Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 28, 2023

[0:00:01] Voice 26: So, welcome back, everybody, and particularly welcome back to members of our online audience.

[0:00:09] Voice 26: We have been in breakout sessions all morning here doing our SWOT analysis, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats.

[0:00:20] Voice 26: Been about four different sessions with half a dozen people in each of those sessions.

[0:00:25] Voice 26: It's been an excellent brainstorming opportunity.

[0:00:29] Voice 26: opportunity. And so there will be reporting out that comes from this. There's not been live

[0:00:33] Voice 26: streaming from those individuals who are recording some of those individual breakout groups, but there

[0:00:38] Voice 26: will be a reporting out. And we're just going to do a very brief summary here now of the second

[0:00:43] Voice 26: session. And I'm going to turn it over to CAO Hotzenpiller. Then we're going to be going for

[0:00:49] Voice 26: lunch. And I want to give Lori Foster the opportunity just to speak about some logistics.

[0:00:53] Voice 26: So CAO Hotzenpiller, back to you. Thanks very much.

[0:00:57] Voice 6: Okay. Thank you. I know that that was

[0:00:59] Voice 6: is hard. It's hard to do that. And we never have enough time. But I'm of the belief there's going

[0:01:05] Voice 6: to be some material we can begin to work with. So we will take that away. We'll provide it back

[0:01:11] Voice 6: to executive committee. We will keep all the source information so that you can see where

[0:01:15] Voice 6: we started and where we've ended up. And we'll try and develop some sort of action strategies

[0:01:20] Voice 6: that then feed into a larger process over time. We'll also do our best to note everything that

[0:01:27] Voice 6: you've done and post it over the course of today and tomorrow so that you can wander by and take a

[0:01:32] Voice 6: look and see what the other groups did. There is some value, however, in just having a one or two

[0:01:37] Voice 6: minute quick summary from someone who's willing to be a spokesperson for each group. So that's

[0:01:43] Voice 6: four groups. We've got 10 minutes. Christina, could you lead us off with just a quick summary of

[0:01:47] Voice 6: a few of the key determinations that your group came up with?

[0:01:52] Voice 8: Thanks.

[0:01:54] Trustee Evans (probable): So we came up with eight potential strategies and I'll just,

[0:02:01] Voice 15: oh, sorry. Yes.

[0:02:03] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you. So our box was to take a look at the strengths and opportunities. And there was a lot

[0:02:10] Trustee Evans (probable): of information in both of those. So I'm hoping that we've managed to capture most of the topics

[0:02:18] Trustee Evans (probable): topics within each. So the strategies that we've got, like I said, we've got eight. The first one

[0:02:23] Trustee Evans (probable): is develop a process that allows communities to self-organize and generate solutions so that

[0:02:28] Trustee Evans (probable): communities own their official community plans, using the experience and knowledge of staff to

[0:02:33] Trustee Evans (probable): make the new process replicable through the trust area. Number two, reinitiate the heritage

[0:02:41] Trustee Evans (probable): overlay mapping project in cooperation or co-management with First Nations, gifting our

[0:02:46] Trustee Evans (probable): resources and technology for the benefit of first nations number three explore how to include first

[0:02:53] Trustee Evans (probable): nations leadership at trust council number four proactive engagement with communities to educate

[0:03:00] Trustee Evans (probable): newcomers on island specific and global emerging issues to support community health resiliency and

[0:03:06] Trustee Evans (probable): self-sufficiency number five leverage skills experience and knowledge of long-time community

[0:03:12] Trustee Evans (probable): community residents to support new families moving to the islands.

[0:03:16] Trustee Evans (probable): Number six, explore ways to use funding

[0:03:19] Trustee Evans (probable): from tourism for community sustainability and well-being.

[0:03:23] Trustee Evans (probable): Number eight, number seven, leverage the unique and distinct mandate

[0:03:27] Trustee Evans (probable): of the Islands Trust to compel the province to support Islands Trust

[0:03:30] Trustee Evans (probable): operations through further monetary support and better understanding

[0:03:34] Trustee Evans (probable): by ministries of the Islands Trust mandate.

[0:03:36] Trustee Evans (probable): And number eight, the most important one,

[0:03:38] Trustee Evans (probable): want. Make conservancy sexy to encourage donations.

[0:03:50] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick, could you take us through a title of your group for us, please,

[0:03:53] Voice 6: and then take us through a couple of your thoughts.

[0:03:55] Voice 11: We had

[0:03:56] Voice 11: Using Strengths to Mitigate or Avoid Threats.

[0:04:01] Voice 11: So we came up with five, but they're big ones.

[0:04:04] Voice 11: The first one was Create Diverse Housing Options Using Existing

[0:04:09] Voice 11: Authority to Avoid Loss of Socioeconomic Diversity.

[0:04:12] Voice 11: The second was leverage existing protocol agreements, for example, the one with Modi, to create active transportation networks.

[0:04:23] Voice 11: The third was use legislatively mandated ecological approach to build resiliency to wildfire risk and reduce risks, reduce risks of anything,

[0:04:37] Voice 11: anything, and preserve and protect freshwater resources, leverage the collective strengths,

[0:04:44] Voice 11: and we're referring to the preserve and protect in cooperation with part of our mandate,

[0:04:49] Voice 11: First Nations, other agencies, citizens, trustees, staff, to educate, communicate about the dangers

[0:04:55] Voice 11: or risks of the current population growth change, develop proactive integrative planning solutions,

[0:05:02] Voice 11: and avoid loss of credibility and mitigate discontent.

[0:05:07] Voice 11: And the final one was build on commitment to reconciliation

[0:05:10] Voice 11: to work toward shared decision-making

[0:05:13] Voice 16: with First Nations.

[0:05:20] Voice 6: Trustee Bernardo, are you willing to summarize your group,

[0:05:24] Voice 6: title your group, please, and then provide an outline?

[0:05:28] Voice 32: Okay.

[0:05:30] Voice 9: Great.

[0:05:31] Voice 9: It's got up on the screen because there's no way I can reproduce this.

[0:05:34] Voice 9: Our group, our task was to correlate opportunities with weaknesses.

[0:05:41] Voice 9: There are by far more weaknesses in the information we're provided than opportunities.

[0:05:47] Voice 16: And

[0:05:47] Voice 9: the opportunities that we were given that came out of the previous sessions have limited application to the many weaknesses that are identified.

[0:05:57] Voice 9: So, we had to do a kind of editing exercise in trying to identify the things that were

[0:06:04] Voice 9: most important.

[0:06:06] Voice 9: We discovered that the weaknesses and the opportunities that can be correlated to them

[0:06:12] Voice 9: fell into two basic categories.

[0:06:15] Voice 9: One addressed governance, and the other one addresses communication.

[0:06:20] Voice 9: The weaknesses and opportunities as they were presented and emerged from the previous session

[0:06:24] Voice 9: We're a mix of generalities and specifics.

[0:06:27] Voice 9: Our emphasis was to be as precise as possible and to get away from generalities if we could.

[0:06:35] Voice 9: So what do we end up with?

[0:06:36] Voice 9: Well, we end up with three basic correlations of the opportunities that are available to

[0:06:44] Voice 9: us.

[0:06:44] Voice 9: There's a number of them that do a lot of heavy lifting to address a number of weaknesses.

[0:06:47] Voice 9: On the governance side, the trust has a mandate, actually.

[0:06:51] Voice 9: part of its mandate is to engage with other bodies and so this is probably the one of all the things

[0:07:00] Voice 9: that we came together with is probably the most important one that the trust will fill its mandate

[0:07:03] Voice 9: to cooperate with other bodies that means local governments including first nations but not

[0:07:08] Voice 9: exclusively governments to develop better working relationships with regional districts provincial

[0:07:13] Voice 9: ministries and first nations to facilitate more informed better resourced and more efficient

[0:07:18] Voice 9: decision making basically let's leverage off those resources and jurisdictions to enhance

[0:07:25] Voice 9: project delivery that can happen by bringing more focus to address diverse

[0:07:31] Voice 9: geographical needs and tackle the effects of climate change

[0:07:36] Voice 9: the second item under governance that the trust uses grant seeking and management capacity

[0:07:44] Voice 9: to enhance our ability to undertake and complete projects.

[0:07:48] Voice 9: The third item, that the Trust use its relationship

[0:07:51] Voice 9: with the provincial government to obtain supplementary funding

[0:07:55] Voice 9: to update OCPs and LUVs once a new policy statement is approved.

[0:07:59] Voice 9: And that last point levers off an opportunity

[0:08:04] Voice 9: that some people might regard as some controversy,

[0:08:08] Voice 9: but that we have, for a local government,

[0:08:11] Voice 9: and a fairly unique relationship with the provincial government

[0:08:16] Voice 9: and more active communications with the relevant ministries, apparently.

[0:08:20] Voice 9: Moving on to communication, where we got to is that the trust used its mapping

[0:08:27] Voice 9: and associated visuals capacity, because we do have an extensive mapping library now,

[0:08:32] Voice 9: to improve the communications we make and understanding of what the effects of bylaws could be

[0:08:39] Voice 9: and why bylaws are being proposed.

[0:08:40] Voice 9: This is about improving our communication to the public.

[0:08:44] Voice 9: Next, the trust partners with community members and bodies to help tailor communications to account for local differences and improve community engagement.

[0:08:53] Voice 9: The opportunity that is lurking back there that is driving that is that there are a lot of community members and organizations throughout the trust area that are highly motivated to basically to help.

[0:09:09] Voice 9: and we can work with them to account for local differences in our communications.

[0:09:15] Voice 9: Third item, that the trust use enhanced public appreciation of nature.

[0:09:20] Voice 9: This is a growing saying, and it's not the fear of environmental degradation,

[0:09:24] Voice 9: it's the enjoyment of nature as it is, to engage constituents and improve the trust visibility

[0:09:29] Voice 9: and communication of the trust role to the public.

[0:09:32] Voice 16: Thank you very much.

[0:09:40] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:09:41] Voice 16: um

[0:09:41] Voice 2: we said we were under threats um and we sort of covered large territories i just hit two of the

[0:09:47] Voice 2: bullets that i think are of common interest um one was size of trust council and geographic

[0:09:52] Voice 2: separation between our trustees and what we said is a large number of trustees and naturally longer

[0:09:57] Voice 2: time to discuss things need to create trust council agenda that allow for this agendas need

[0:10:02] Voice 2: to allow for trustees social time workshops to engage with one another which will build

[0:10:07] Voice 2: relationships between trustees there needs to be a policy review for frequency of trust council

[0:10:12] Voice 2: meetings use of e-meetings between quarterly meetings for focused discussion topics and there

[0:10:18] Voice 2: is discussion possibility of committee of the whole structures um stronger reporting from

[0:10:24] Voice 2: communities to trust council such as the recommendations to trust counselor more easily

[0:10:28] Voice 2: to understand and vote it on facility facilitating this might require stronger guidelines from trust

[0:10:34] Voice 2: council ahead of committees starting work and identify and plan for activities such as training

[0:10:40] Voice 2: that will build trust and confidence between trust council and committees and between trustees

[0:10:45] Voice 2: the other common vote i think of interest is lack of engagement on common interpretation of section

[0:10:52] Voice 2: three of the alice trust act and what we said is uh communicate legal interpretations with all

[0:10:58] Voice 2: trustees process conversations each process i think facilitate conversation each term to

[0:11:05] Voice 2: facilitate interpretation of the mandate and the policy statement and process conversations

[0:11:10] Voice 2: to identifiers common understanding agreement between trustees that may point to areas the

[0:11:16] Voice 2: trust council can focus on rather than areas where there's disagreement and thank you julia

[0:11:21] Voice 2: there.

[0:11:28] Voice 6: So with that, we're concluded our SWAT exercise. We've told you about the reporting

[0:11:33] Voice 6: process back. Thanks very much for your engagement. And thanks to all the crew here who

[0:11:40] Voice 6: really figured out how to put the jigsaw puzzle together. And we will return to you with the

[0:11:45] Voice 6: outcome. Okay. Are there any questions before we conclude? Yes.

[0:11:50] Voice 11: As we are going to be having

[0:11:52] Voice 11: the strategic planning conversation could we have the have what we just came up with assembled into

[0:11:57] Voice 11: a document emailed to everybody so they could be reading it before we have the next discussion

[0:12:02] Voice 16: tomorrow so

[0:12:42] Voice 26: welcome back council i'm just going to get started a tad early here and hope and just

[0:12:48] Voice 26: hopefully you all had a refreshing break uh got out onto the island and out into the sun

[0:12:54] Voice 26: i certainly enjoyed the little visit that we did to the museum a lot of information to

[0:12:59] Voice 26: gain from that experience. I'm going to pick up essentially where we left off on the agenda.

[0:13:10] Voice 26: But of course, we're going to start off with delegations and public comment. And then we will

[0:13:15] Voice 26: jump back to Section 8 administrative services after that. Before I do that, I'm just going to

[0:13:29] Voice 26: to do a round of introductions for the folks that have joined us now and for the audience

[0:13:34] Voice 26: online. And I'm actually, as you know, I try to mix it up so not every, the same person has to

[0:13:41] Voice 26: always go first. So I'm going to start on my left here and go around and go full circle back to me

[0:13:47] Voice 26: here. And so I'll just start off. My name is Peter Luckum. I'm elected on Thetis Island and that is

[0:13:53] Voice 26: in Penelope and Laxon territory. And I'm grateful to be able to live in the Coastal Sea on Thetis

[0:13:59] Voice 26: island afternoon

[0:14:02] Voice 20: council and members of the public i'm toby elliott elected here on gabriel island

[0:14:06] Voice 20: instant first nation territory uh

[0:14:10] Voice 5: good afternoon uh sam borthwick elected on uh demon island which

[0:14:14] Voice 5: is in uh coast salish and tomox territory alex

[0:14:21] Voice 25: and on hornby island uh the unseated

[0:14:22] Voice 25: traditional territory of comics first nation and coast salish people

[0:14:26] Voice 25: vote.

[0:14:29] Voice 12: Susan Yates, local trustee, Gabriela local trust area, traditional territory of the Snuneymux

[0:14:36] Voice 12: First Nation.

[0:14:38] Thank you.

[0:14:39] Voice 12: Good afternoon.

[0:14:40] Voice 20: My name is Kate Louise Stafford.

[0:14:42] Voice 20: I am elected to the Gambier local trust area in Alcotsum, House Sound, part of the Squamish

[0:14:50] Voice 20: Holman territories.

[0:14:54] Voice 32: Hi, my name is David Graham, locally elected on Denman Island, traditional lands of the

[0:14:59] Voice 32: Comox.

[0:15:03] Voice 27: Siwell and Fast, elected

[0:15:05] Voice 11: on Nechlelechwem, also Bowen Island and

[0:15:12] Voice 11: traditional territory, sorry, the

[0:15:15] Voice 30: territory of the Squamish Nation.

[0:15:18] Voice 30: Janine Dodds, elected on Maine Island, also known as Skathat and home to the

[0:15:26] Voice 30: sarlat reserve and the territorial area of cruise salish

[0:15:32] Voice 11: laura laura patrick salt spring island

[0:15:36] Voice 11: uh territory of coast salish peoples

[0:15:40] Voice 17: place to go

[0:15:42] Voice 17: rule elected to galiano island uh coast

[0:15:45] Voice 17: salish people territory right boat south sea charter island uh land of the coast salish

[0:15:59] Voice 7: Dag Falk from South Pender, Coast Salish.

[0:16:06] Voice 9: Joe Bernardo from Keats Island, also known as Lactine,

[0:16:11] Voice 9: part of the ancient lands and waters of the Squamish people.

[0:16:18] Trustee Evans (probable): Christina Evans, elected on Sudeas, South Pender,

[0:16:22] Trustee Evans (probable): traditional unceded territory for many Coast Salish people in the Wausau Nation.

[0:16:27] Trustee Evans (probable): Nation. Judy Getty,

[0:16:31] Voice 11: a councillor and trustee for Bowen Island Coast Salish Territory.

[0:16:38] Voice 12: Michaela Laroni, Leskeetee Island, Hoyete.

[0:16:43] Voice 2: David Moffitt from Maine Island, home of the

[0:16:46] Voice 2: WSANIC people.

[0:16:50] Voice 8: Tim Peterson elected on Hoyete, Leskeetee Island, territory of many Coast Salish

[0:16:56] Voice 8: Nations and the treaty territory of the Tlalpan Nation.

[0:17:03] Voice 26: Thank you Tim and just online I'll

[0:17:06] Voice 26: recognize and speak out if you want to provide a greeting. Trustee Harris. Thank you. Jamie Harris,

[0:17:15] Voice 33: elected on Salt Spring Island. Trustee Hunter. Ken Hunter, long

[0:17:23] Voice 26: -time resident of Thetis Island.

[0:17:27] Voice 26: Very good. Thank you for joining us online here today. I'm just going to go to the staff table

[0:17:32] Voice 26: and just starting with the CAO and just ask you to introduce yourself with your name and your

[0:17:37] Voice 26: your position?

[0:17:40] Voice 6: Russ Hodson-Piller, Chief Administrative

[0:17:42] Voice 6: Officer of the Islands Trust.

[0:17:45] Voice 29: Laurie Foster, Executive

[0:17:46] Voice 29: Coordinator, Islands Trust.

[0:17:48] Voice 29: I live in the traditional territories of

[0:17:50] Voice 29: the Songhees and Esquimalt First Nation.

[0:17:54] Voice 3: David Mahler,

[0:17:55] Voice 3: the Director of Legislative Services

[0:17:57] Voice 3: for Islands Trust. Claire

[0:18:02] Voice 14: Frader, Director of Trust Area Services.

[0:18:06] Voice 14: Julia Mobs, Director of

[0:18:07] Voice 14: Administrative Services.

[0:18:10] Voice 10: Stephan Cermak, Director of

[0:18:11] Voice 10: Planning Services.

[0:18:12] Voice 10: Very

[0:18:14] Voice 26: good. We have a number of other staff members providing

[0:18:17] Voice 26: support in the background. Thank you

[0:18:21] Voice 26: everybody for that service that you provide to the Island Trust.

[0:18:25] Voice 26: It's invaluable to keeping our meetings going.

[0:18:29] Voice 26: Daphne and Mark.

[0:18:31] Voice 26: Let us begin then with the delegations.

[0:18:37] Voice 26: Today we have Islands for Stewards.

[0:18:41] Voice 26: and there he is regarding governance and forests.

[0:18:46] Voice 26: And Julia Nichols, I think, is the representative.

[0:18:49] Voice 26: And you have 10 minutes,

[0:18:51] Voice 26: and I just ask you to speak to trust-wide issues

[0:18:53] Voice 26: and be respectful of the council

[0:18:56] Voice 26: and the members of the public.

[0:18:58] Voice 26: And there'll be an opportunity for some questions

[0:19:02] Voice 26: at the end of your presentation.

[0:19:04] Voice 26: Over to you, Ms. Nichols.

[0:19:07] Voice 15: Push the button.

[0:19:08] Voice 26: Now

[0:19:09] Voice 21: can you hear me?

[0:19:09] Voice 26: Yes, sir.

[0:19:10] Voice 26: Okay.

[0:19:11] Voice 21: Thank you for giving me this time. I acknowledge and thank the Sinaloa people

[0:19:19] Voice 21: for their careful stewardship of the waters and land of Gabriola Island on which we stand.

[0:19:27] Voice 21: I'm a resident of Sudeas, Pender Island, the unsurrendered territory of the Wausonic First

[0:19:34] Voice 21: nations, our neighbors, and our friends. Opening with this land acknowledgement is foremost a

[0:19:42] Voice 21: recognition of the destructive legacy of colonization on these lands and the ongoing

[0:19:48] Voice 21: work my community is engaging in to understand and reconcile this legacy. It is a vital part

[0:19:55] Voice 21: of why I am addressing you today. We are grateful for the work you do and for making time to listen

[0:20:05] Voice 21: to the concerns we bring. I am here representing a group of Sudeas residents alarmed by devastating

[0:20:14] Voice 21: clear cuts that have negatively impacted ecosystems on our island. We hope that you

[0:20:21] Voice 21: will reconsider the decision rescinding the request to the province to allow local trust

[0:20:28] Voice 21: committees to design and implement tree protection bylaws. This would bring your policies

[0:20:37] Voice 21: in line with the power of municipalities. Clear cutting continues to occur on our islands.

[0:20:48] Voice 21: It is going on right now, too often, and without any effective regulation or moderation

[0:20:57] Voice 21: at any level of government. Could I show our slides, please?

[0:21:02] Voice 21: please.

[0:21:04] Voice 14: So

[0:21:09] Voice 21: this is Pirates Road and how it has changed. This is a very steep slope and

[0:21:18] Voice 21: it has completely been clear cut. This was on the one side is 2017. This is 2021. Next

[0:21:32] Voice 21: Next slide, please.

[0:21:33] Voice 21: It's about 10 acres, and this is what it looks like

[0:21:36] Voice 16: from the water.

[0:21:46] Voice 16: Next slide, please.

[0:21:48] Voice 21: And this is Otter Bay Terminal with trees being trucked away.

[0:21:56] Voice 21: I would like you to note that these trees were not cut down to be used on the land that they were cut down or the community.

[0:22:06] Voice 21: They were trucked off island.

[0:22:08] Voice 21: I think that's an important part of what we're talking about here.

[0:22:14] Voice 21: Next slide, please.

[0:22:17] Voice 21: This is Galliano Island on Styx Road, 2013, and what it looks like in 2021.

[0:22:28] Voice 21: The tree cover is gone from this area.

[0:22:34] Voice 21: Next slide, please.

[0:22:37] Voice 21: This is Salt Spring Island, 2017 and 2021 at the Bettis Road area.

[0:22:54] Voice 16: Next slide, please.

[0:22:58] Voice 16: And this is a drone picture of that same area.

[0:23:06] Voice 16: Next slide, please.

[0:23:10] Voice 16: That's

[0:23:10] Voice 21: another drone picture.

[0:23:13] Voice 21: Next slide.

[0:23:13] Voice 21: And this is on Salt Spring. There's the Creekside Rainforest that's protected.

[0:23:21] Voice 21: Next slide. And this is about a month ago. A scientist from Raincoast went up there

[0:23:35] Voice 21: and was not aware that this had happened to it. It had been clear cut.

[0:23:40] Voice 20: Next slide, please.

[0:23:44] Voice 16: That's it. Oh, okay.

[0:23:51] Voice 16: There is a

[0:23:52] Voice 21: gaping hole in the governance of our forests.

[0:24:01] Voice 21: The province has no jurisdiction, CRD has no jurisdiction,

[0:24:05] Voice 21: and now the Islands Trust has rescinded its request

[0:24:09] Voice 21: for additional power to prevent this destruction.

[0:24:14] Voice 21: This is not in line with your mandate to preserve and protect.

[0:24:17] Voice 21: We respectfully request that you reverse this decision.

[0:24:24] Voice 21: All levels of government in every country have laws, regulations and rules.

[0:24:30] Voice 21: They serve an important function.

[0:24:34] Voice 21: They generally include some flexibility, as they should, and from time to time they are amended.

[0:24:41] Voice 21: But to have virtually no rules governing an essential component of our living environment is absurd.

[0:24:49] Voice 21: particularly in the trust area where environmental protection is the reason the trust was protected

[0:24:57] Voice 21: was created sorry we are not opposed to thoughtful tree removal most people are respectful of the

[0:25:06] Voice 21: environment and the important role that healthy forests and trees play in the ecosystem however

[0:25:13] Voice 21: However, there continue to be irreparable instances of egregious deforestation taking place on private properties on the island.

[0:25:25] Voice 21: How is it that municipalities and regional districts are willing to manage their tree cover, but the trust seems unwilling to take this responsibility?

[0:25:34] Voice 21: Is it fair that residents of the Gulf Islands have absolutely no control, no protection from neighbours, clear-cutting their property and inadvertently depleting nearby wells, among many other impacts?

[0:25:52] Voice 21: Is the Trust in action and attempt to avoid contentious situations?

[0:25:58] Voice 21: No doubt there will be conflict, but this comes with the job.

[0:26:03] Voice 21: There is a substantial and growing number of citizens who are aware of the crucial importance of protecting the ecosystems that protect us.

[0:26:14] Voice 21: We need you, as our trust, to be taking action.

[0:26:20] Voice 21: We are supportive of the essential mandate of the Islands Trust to preserve and protect.

[0:26:26] Voice 21: However, the work of the trust is under attack.

[0:26:30] Voice 21: In order to oversee the well-being of our island environments, the trust needs to have jurisdiction over the preservation of our valuable tree cover.

[0:26:40] Voice 21: The forests are our lungs.

[0:26:44] Voice 21: They are also a haven for biodiversity.

[0:26:49] Voice 21: Each one of the islands you are mandated to protect is unique, from the trees, to the microclimates, to the faunas, and even the people.

[0:27:01] Voice 21: Please do not waste your valuable time debating what is unique. The fact is local biodiversity

[0:27:09] Voice 21: is under threat and being lost at an alarming rate. Many species are at risk in the coastal

[0:27:17] Voice 21: Douglas fir zone. We should be protecting the diversity of habitats that exist throughout

[0:27:25] Voice 21: the forests and the species they support. The age and composition of forests make a big difference

[0:27:34] Voice 21: on their role in preventing wildfires and storing carbon. Old growth and mature forests are best at

[0:27:43] Voice 21: both. Though forests on the Gulf Islands have been subjected to a long history of logging,

[0:27:50] Voice 21: the second and third growth that now make up the majority of island forests are providing these

[0:27:56] Voice 21: services and have the potential to become the old growth of the future let me be clear we do not

[0:28:06] Voice 21: oppose all tree cutting we recognize that there is some harvesting that is necessary to meet human

[0:28:14] Voice 21: needs but surely we can agree that forests need to be managed responsibly this means harvesting

[0:28:23] Voice 21: in a way that is less destructive to biodiversity, water quality, and habitat, including that of humans.

[0:28:32] Voice 21: There are examples of ecoforestry operations on the islands and elsewhere that use a long-term perspective

[0:28:43] Voice 21: and follow sustainable practices to achieve both economic and ecological goals.

[0:28:50] Voice 21: Local trusts have the power to establish DPAs for forest protection.

[0:29:00] Voice 21: Galliano trustees have done so for their entire island, while on Pender there is only protection for individual trees.

[0:29:12] Voice 21: We would urge that the DPA process be updated and made effective.

[0:29:17] Voice 21: The present situation results in some property owners finding it remunerative to ignore the DPAs and accept the requirement to repair the damage.

[0:29:31] Voice 21: Whether the damage is the destruction of a raptor's nest or a loss of an 80-year-old tree, it is not repaired by planting a new sapling.

[0:29:42] Voice 21: link. Meaningful penalties should result from profiteering by ignoring DPAs.

[0:29:52] Voice 21: Lumber prices might stay high or even get higher, which could lead to much

[0:30:00] Voice 21: more clear-cutting with dire consequences for gulf island residents both human and otherwise

[0:30:08] Voice 21: preserve and protect is your mandate it needs to be the mandate of every island and every islander

[0:30:18] Voice 21: we respectfully and urgently ask that you reopen the request to the provincial government to give

[0:30:24] Voice 21: more control of forest management to the islands trust we support the trust and the preserve and

[0:30:32] Voice 21: protect mandate municipalities have effective authority but our trust does not this last year

[0:30:44] Voice 21: june 2022 to june 2023 was declared the year of the salish sea by trust council you also made a

[0:30:56] Voice 21: a climate emergency declaration.

[0:31:00] Voice 21: Do not make these declarations empty words.

[0:31:05] Voice 21: They need to be reflected in action.

[0:31:09] Voice 21: Part of the response to the climate emergency

[0:31:12] Voice 21: must be to protect our forests.

[0:31:16] Voice 21: What steps have you taken so far in this endeavor

[0:31:19] Voice 21: and what further steps do you propose to take?

[0:31:25] Voice 26: So Julia, if you're wrapping up,

[0:31:27] Voice 26: I wanna make sure we leave time for questions for you.

[0:31:31] Voice 21: Two more words. Our forests need to be protected. Enforcement needs to be effective. We urgently call for you to take action that will put a stop to the clear-cutting.

[0:31:45] Voice 26: Very good. Sorry to have interrupted you during the stop there. So thank you for your presentation.

[0:31:51] Voice 26: presentations. Trustees, are there any questions? And I'll just preface that by saying, let's be

[0:31:56] Voice 26: respectful of our guests here today and keep the questions to the pursuit of knowledge and what

[0:32:02] Voice 26: our guests have presented to us through today. So, and keep your questions as short as humanly

[0:32:09] Voice 26: possible. Are there any questions from the floor here?

[0:32:13] Voice 33: Yes, I have a question.

[0:32:15] Voice 26: Okay. So online,

[0:32:16] Voice 26: line. I see Trustee Harris.

[0:32:19] Voice 33: Thank you for the presentation. Can you tell me how you define

[0:32:25] Voice 33: a clear cut? What's a clear cut to you? Kind of please have a definition.

[0:32:33] Voice 21: Okay. Thank you for

[0:32:35] Voice 21: that question because it's an important one because part of my point is that removing a

[0:32:41] Voice 21: single tree or a careful forestry is a very important distinction between that and a clear

[0:32:51] Voice 21: cut. A clear cut is where you remove all of the trees from an area. The example I have is in the

[0:33:01] Voice 21: pictures that I showed earlier.

[0:33:05] Voice 26: Okay, thank you very much for the question and thank you for the

[0:33:08] Voice 26: the answer. Christina Evans? Oh, can you turn your mic off there? Only one mic at a time. Yeah,

[0:33:17] Voice 26: go ahead. Christina Evans. Hi,

[0:33:18] Trustee Evans (probable): thank you so much for your presentation. It was good. Thank you.

[0:33:22] Trustee Evans (probable): I have a question on one of your slides. You're showing a truck at the Otter Bay terminal with

[0:33:28] Trustee Evans (probable): trees on it. There are a number of managed forests that are in operation on South Panda.

[0:33:36] Trustee Evans (probable): using this image how do you know that those trees have not come from a managed forest operation that

[0:33:42] Trustee Evans (probable): is operating within a legal capacity versus um trees that have been cut to make way for a driveway

[0:33:51] Trustee Evans (probable): or a home versus trees that are being um like you said these are being taken off island um for

[0:34:00] Trustee Evans (probable): whatever purpose. I'm just curious as to using this imagery where your information came from and

[0:34:07] Trustee Evans (probable): do you know for sure that these trees being removed that you have photographed are in fact

[0:34:12] Trustee Evans (probable): coming from a clear-cut operation versus a federally approved operation?

[0:34:21] Voice 21: These trees came from 4815 Schooner Way where three solid acres were clear-cut.

[0:34:30] Voice 21: had. The people in the community watched this happen. We're not able to do very much, but we did

[0:34:37] Voice 21: very closely monitor where those trees came from.

[0:34:42] Voice 26: Okay, thank you. You have a follow-up question?

[0:34:44] Voice 21: Just as a rebuttal, it wasn't that for a driveway and making room for a house.

[0:34:49] Voice 21: That was three solid acres, and it also broke a DPA that was in place, and there is an open file

[0:34:59] Voice 21: file on it now. Thank

[0:35:03] Voice 26: you so much for clarifying. Okay, so thank you very much. Any further

[0:35:09] Voice 26: questions? Trustee Falk?

[0:35:14] Voice 7: Yeah, maybe I'm not aligned here, but there seem to be a lot of

[0:35:19] Voice 7: questions that you have to us, and should we be responding with a little bit? I

[0:35:25] Voice 26: think the

[0:35:26] Voice 26: delegation has made a delegation, and we've expired that time limit, and it's not so much

[0:35:32] Voice 26: of a two-way conversation opportunity so thank you um okay so then that covers our questions today

[0:35:39] Voice 26: thank you very much for coming and thank you very much for the imagery to help us understand your

[0:35:44] Voice 26: concerns and uh thank you and thank you colleagues for joining you uh from pender island um

[0:35:52] Voice 21: thank you dag and i would just like to say that i would like to have a further conversation on this

[0:35:59] Voice 21: and I would like to engage with you on what we can do to make this happen

[0:36:06] Voice 21: and to have a better understanding of why that decision was made

[0:36:12] Voice 21: to rescind the request from the provincial government.

[0:36:16] Voice 21: So thank you, and it's for the trees.

[0:36:19] Voice 21: Right, thank you.

[0:36:20] Voice 26: And indeed, your South Pender colleagues here are elected.

[0:36:23] Voice 26: You can meet up with them.

[0:36:25] Voice 26: Okay, so thank you.

[0:36:26] Voice 26: I'm going to move on now to a public comment period.

[0:36:30] Voice 26: I had one person that came forward that wanted to speak.

[0:36:33] Voice 26: And so please come up to the microphone and introduce yourself.

[0:36:38] Voice 26: And if there's anybody else who wishes to follow this local speaker, let me know.

[0:36:46] Voice 26: Go ahead.

[0:36:47] Voice 15: Hello, Heidi.

[0:36:48] Voice 26: And two minutes is the normal allotment.

[0:36:52] Voice 26: My

[0:36:52] Voice 20: name is Sybil Frey, and I'm a resident of Gabriola Island, the traditional territory of the Tsunamook First Nation, and I'm an active volunteer here.

[0:37:02] Voice 20: And I wanted to introduce the Gabriola Island Land Stewards Society to you, which is a land trust that is aiming to take land out of the market for the benefit of community and also for Tsunamook First Nation members, including them, of course.

[0:37:20] Voice 20: And we have three purposes. One is to acquire land for affordable and supportive housing.

[0:37:28] Voice 20: Another is to acquire land for agriculture and learning to grow food.

[0:37:32] Voice 20: And the third purpose is to acquire land to support small scale community economic development.

[0:37:39] Voice 20: So we're a bit different than a number of land trusts because we have a broader mandate.

[0:37:43] Voice 20: date. And what I'd like to ask of the Islands Trust Council is to consider encouraging both

[0:37:53] Voice 20: Trust Council and all of the local trust committees that don't already have it to establish a community

[0:37:58] Voice 20: services zone that would make it easier for non-profits to hold land and rezone that land

[0:38:07] Voice 20: into the community services zone in a way that is quick,

[0:38:11] Voice 20: hopefully not as expensive,

[0:38:13] Voice 20: and relatively simple process

[0:38:18] Voice 20: so that we can be doing things on behalf of the community

[0:38:23] Voice 20: for the benefit of the community.

[0:38:25] Voice 20: So can we work together with you

[0:38:27] Voice 20: to create such a community services zone

[0:38:30] Voice 20: on islands across the trust area

[0:38:33] Voice 20: so that we would be able to have that easier process

[0:38:36] Voice 20: and learn from each other about how to really make it work.

[0:38:39] Voice 20: And the other thing I wanted to do,

[0:38:41] Voice 20: and this is a personal thing

[0:38:43] Voice 20: as opposed to what we're doing specifically

[0:38:45] Voice 20: with the Land Stewards Society,

[0:38:47] Voice 20: is I'd like to encourage the local trust committees

[0:38:50] Voice 20: to involve their communities

[0:38:53] Voice 20: in relationship building with the First Nations

[0:38:56] Voice 20: rather than we have so many people

[0:39:00] Voice 20: who are approaching different groups,

[0:39:01] Voice 20: approaching the name of First Nation.

[0:39:04] Voice 20: It's so overwhelming, hard, triggering at times and everything.

[0:39:09] Voice 20: And if we could figure out how to work together with our local trust committees in making those relationships deeper, stronger and more collaborative, I would really encourage you to involve us so that we can.

[0:39:22] Voice 20: Thank you very much.

[0:39:24] Voice 26: Thank you very much.

[0:39:26] Voice 26: OK, thank you.

[0:39:27] Voice 26: Thank you very much for coming today and thank you for that message about collaborating.

[0:39:30] Voice 26: Indeed, that's what we endeavor to do.

[0:39:33] Voice 26: um so no other speakers today to counsel all right then so i'm going to proceed with our agenda thank

[0:39:42] Voice 26: you for coming today everybody chair luckin there are two online that have their hands raised oh i'm

[0:39:48] Voice 26: sorry i don't

[0:39:49] Voice 27: oh

[0:39:50] Voice 26: i see it on the attendees i wasn't looking at the attendees sorry thank you

[0:39:54] Voice 26: very much for raising that um i got i was into the mode of meeting in person so um thank you so

[0:40:01] Voice 26: So Ian Peace and Maxine Leichter are online here.

[0:40:04] Voice 26: So let's promote Ian Peace to be a participant, and we'll hear from Ian.

[0:40:10] Voice 26: And for the benefit of those online, if you're addressing council,

[0:40:15] Voice 26: please address us with respect to broader federation-wide issues,

[0:40:19] Voice 26: not specific individual issues, as you need to direct those directly to the LTCs.

[0:40:25] Voice 26: And please be respectful of council, members of the public that are viewing,

[0:40:29] Voice 26: and I'll turn it over to you Ian we can promote Ian first are you there

[0:40:40] Voice 16: Ian are you online

[0:40:48] Voice 26: looks like

[0:40:50] Voice 26: we lost Ian so let's go to Maxine and see if Ian comes back online

[0:41:00] Voice 15: oh

[0:41:00] Voice 26: there you are Ian excellent glad to see you here the floor is yours thanks

[0:41:07] Voice 13: very much sorry

[0:41:08] Voice 13: there was a little delay there as i was getting promoted through the various formats i guess so

[0:41:13] Voice 13: i'm my name is ian peace i'm representing the gulf islands alliance and i'm a resident of

[0:41:20] Voice 13: salt spring island and today uh the discussion here the the comment is regarding the right to

[0:41:26] Voice 13: a healthy environment uh bill s5 strengthening environmental protection for a healthier canada

[0:41:33] Voice 13: Act received royal assent on June 13th, just a little over a week ago. The right to a healthy

[0:41:40] Voice 13: environment will be recognized for the first time under federal law. The legislation establishes a

[0:41:46] Voice 13: new duty for the government to uphold the principles of environmental justice, intergenerational

[0:41:53] Voice 13: equity, and non-aggression, ensuring environmental protections cannot be rolled back. The preamble to

[0:42:00] Voice 13: the act confirms the government's commitment to implement the united nations declaration on the

[0:42:06] Voice 13: rights of indigenous peoples including free prior and informed consent and recognizes the role of

[0:42:14] Voice 13: indigenous knowledge in decision making related to the protection of the environment and human health

[0:42:19] Voice 13: the preamble further recognizes the importance of considering vulnerable populations in risk

[0:42:25] Voice 13: assessments posed by the cumulative effects of toxic substances under the new law every

[0:42:31] Voice 13: individual in canada has a right to a healthy environment unquote and the government must

[0:42:38] Voice 13: protect that right to breathe clean air drink clean water and eat safe food all of which are

[0:42:44] Voice 13: legally protected for the first time governments at all levels have inalienable and fundamental

[0:42:51] Voice 13: obligations to protect the earth with a duty all living creatures protecting landscapes biodiversity

[0:42:57] Voice 13: ecological function for continuing survival and protecting assets to sustain future generations

[0:43:04] Voice 13: as a special purpose agency with a unique mandate to preserve and protect the environment

[0:43:11] Voice 13: the islands trust is positioned to achieve publicly culturally and scientifically accountable

[0:43:18] Voice 13: accountable environmental protection in the trust area as the land use regulator of the trust area

[0:43:25] Voice 13: with established cross-jurisdictional influences the Gulf Islands Alliance strongly support the

[0:43:31] Voice 13: trustees to take a complementary governmental leadership role in strengthening environmental

[0:43:37] Voice 13: protection for healthier islands in the Salish Sea we ask that trustees hold Central throughout

[0:43:43] Voice 13: throughout your many deliberations, considerations,

[0:43:46] Voice 13: and decisions during this Trust Council session,

[0:43:49] Voice 13: the common and legal right to a healthy environment

[0:43:52] Voice 13: for island communities now and into the future.

[0:43:56] Voice 13: The Gulf Islands Alliance is a nonprofit grassroots

[0:43:59] Voice 13: organization actively dedicated to the protection

[0:44:01] Voice 13: of the natural environment and habitats

[0:44:03] Voice 13: of BC's Gulf Islands for now and future generations.

[0:44:06] Voice 13: GAIA supports the Islands Trust Federation

[0:44:09] Voice 13: consideration in achieving its negative legislative objective submitted respectively on behalf of the

[0:44:16] Voice 13: Gulf Islands Alliance thank

[0:44:19] Voice 26: you very much uh Ian I'm grateful for you bringing the Gulf Island

[0:44:24] Voice 26: Alliance to us here at Trust Council again and appreciate the support that you uh provide in

[0:44:29] Voice 26: your delegations over the years um I'll just ask trustees is there any questions for the uh well

[0:44:35] Voice 26: the speaker. I'm sorry,

[0:44:37] Voice 26: normally we don't host questions

[0:44:40] Voice 26: to the speaker, but any questions?

[0:44:43] Voice 26: No. Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:44:45] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:44:46] Voice 20: Just wondering if you

[0:44:48] Voice 20: have any

[0:44:51] Voice 20: specific suggestions

[0:44:52] Voice 20: I know you've, about

[0:44:54] Voice 20: how the Islands Trust could be doing things differently

[0:44:56] Voice 20: now that this new important

[0:44:58] Voice 20: legislation is in place?

[0:45:02] Voice 13: I would start with

[0:45:03] Voice 13: the mandate and

[0:45:06] Voice 13: and the object and redouble your efforts

[0:45:11] Voice 13: to preserve and protect the ecosystems

[0:45:15] Voice 13: that are available, that are living

[0:45:18] Voice 13: and prospering in the Southern Gulf Islands region,

[0:45:22] Voice 13: in the Gulf Islands region.

[0:45:27] Voice 26: So thank you very much.

[0:45:29] Voice 26: I'm gonna move on to the next speaker.

[0:45:31] Voice 26: And that if we've promoted already Maxine Leichter,

[0:45:37] Voice 26: Salt Spring Island. Good afternoon, Maxine.

[0:45:40] Voice 26: Over to you for your two minutes.

[0:45:43] Voice 28: I'm going to talk about the need

[0:45:44] Voice 28: for more work on Salt Spring from the Trust Water Sustainability

[0:45:48] Voice 28: Program. I trust that's appropriate since that's funded by Trust

[0:45:52] Voice 28: Council.

[0:45:55] Voice 26: It is better

[0:45:57] Voice 26: to address federation-wide issues

[0:46:01] Voice 26: rather than particular local issues, but if you're seeking support

[0:46:05] Voice 26: from council for the salt spring initiative that sounds appropriate to me go ahead uh

[0:46:10] Voice 28: the trust

[0:46:11] Voice 28: website says that the groundwater recharge mapping and groundwater availability assessments

[0:46:16] Voice 28: have been done for several islands but not salt spring we need this work to find locations that

[0:46:24] Voice 28: have sufficient groundwater for affordable housing projects water on salt spring comes from several

[0:46:29] Voice 28: several sources about half of the properties on our island and including our town center are

[0:46:36] Voice 28: served by the north salt spring water works whose water comes from two lakes but their studies and

[0:46:42] Voice 28: experience has shown that their supply is reaching its limits they still have about a hundred

[0:46:47] Voice 28: undeveloped properties in the district who have been paying for years and will need water when

[0:46:51] Voice 28: they build that is one reason why the district will not allow new connections three affordable

[0:46:57] Voice 28: housing projects, 125 units, have been built near Ganges, two of them on wells, but we'd like to

[0:47:04] Voice 28: have more. There are some small water systems around the island, but about half of the rest

[0:47:10] Voice 28: of the island is on groundwater. We know that many properties have inadequate wells and are

[0:47:15] Voice 28: dependent on water deliveries. We don't know exactly how many or where because people are

[0:47:20] Voice 28: reluctant to share this information because it can affect property values, but certainly this

[0:47:26] Voice 28: is a burden on those property owners just last week i heard about a well going dry that had

[0:47:32] Voice 28: never done so before so i'm asking you when the groundwater recharge mapping and groundwater

[0:47:39] Voice 28: availability assessments can be completed for salt spring so we can know where groundwater

[0:47:45] Voice 28: is abundant enough to build more affordable housing and which areas to avoid so as not to

[0:47:51] Voice 28: harm existing properties. Thank you.

[0:47:56] Voice 26: Okay. Thank you, Maxine. I don't have that answer to that

[0:48:00] Voice 26: question immediately. I'm just looking over to the staff table, and I

[0:48:04] Voice 26: don't see a hand up over

[0:48:05] Voice 26: there. So we don't have that information, but certainly reach out to staff at the assaulting

[0:48:09] Voice 26: office, and they should be able to assist you with that information. But thank you very much

[0:48:16] Voice 26: for bringing your concerns to the table here today. I see one other person. Oh, there was one

[0:48:24] Voice 26: person attendees did they move over was that another speaker no okay so then that um that

[0:48:33] Voice 26: concludes our uh public comment period and um i will move on now to our agenda and we're going

[0:48:41] Voice 26: to go to section eight um administrative and finance services and thank everybody for joining

[0:48:48] Voice 26: us today that was here. We have two consent agenda items before us, starting on page 117

[0:48:55] Voice 26: of your package, the Financial Planning Committee Work Program Report and the draft March 31st,

[0:49:00] Voice 26: 2023 Financial Results RFD. These will be adopted according to the recommendations in the line

[0:49:10] Voice 26: items themselves. Is there anybody that wishes to discuss either of these items? I'm looking

[0:49:18] Voice 26: online. Okay, so folks are still opening up the documents. So the Financial Planning

[0:49:29] Voice 26: Committee Work Program Report at 8.11, page 117 in the draft, March 31st, 2023, financial

[0:49:36] Voice 26: results. Yeah, we're going to get to that at the end. Thank you, Tim. Is there anybody

[0:49:45] Voice 26: Anybody else in the meantime,

[0:49:46] Voice 16: while we're waiting for?

[0:50:09] Voice 26: So perhaps to save some time, Alex, I'm going to go to 8.2.1 and let you catch up with us,

[0:50:15] Voice 26: and we can come back to that, because we've got Julia Mobs waiting to provide her director's

[0:50:21] Voice 26: report on page 131 of the package, and we'll come back to you. Julia, over to you.

[0:50:27] Voice 31: Thanks, Chair. So this report is the quarterly update from the Administrative Services team,

[0:50:32] Voice 31: probably also could have been a consent agenda item as there's no updates that are not already

[0:50:36] Voice 31: reflected in the report. I will note, however, the first item that's in that report, completion

[0:50:42] Voice 31: of budget for fiscal 2024-25, that's a typo. That should be completion of the budget for 2023-24.

[0:50:51] Voice 31: We're just starting up the budget cycle for next fiscal, so just wanted to make that clear.

[0:50:55] Voice 31: I'll happily take questions on anything that's

[0:50:57] Voice 26: in the report.

[0:50:57] Voice 26: part

[0:50:57] Voice 31: okay

[0:50:58] Voice 26: are there any questions for the director on her report and alex you're wanting to go back

[0:51:05] Voice 26: to the other items on presently we're on the director's report do you wish to speak to the

[0:51:09] Voice 26: director's report yeah we haven't got there just yet i'm going to come to that in a moment

[0:51:17] Voice 26: on the director's report anybody with questions no okay julia good work thank you very much

[0:51:24] Voice 26: Thank you for getting us through budget.

[0:51:27] Voice 26: Thank you for getting us into audits and then keeping all of the staff living and breathing

[0:51:33] Voice 26: and working in a safe place.

[0:51:35] Voice 26: So I appreciate everything you do.

[0:51:37] Voice 26: Let us then go back to the consent agenda items.

[0:51:41] Voice 26: And Alex, Alan, you want to speak to the draft March 31st, 2023 financial results on page

[0:51:47] Voice 26: 119.

[0:51:48] Voice 26: Yeah, I have a few questions.

[0:51:50] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[0:51:51] Voice 16: That's fine.

[0:51:59] Voice 27: Okay.

[0:52:01] Voice 25: Sorry. It's little things. All right. So, Paige, under the tasks, expenses, page 122, I'm confused about this underspending.

[0:52:15] Voice 25: I say it's underspending on salaries and benefits. And then it says, oh, dear, my notes are terrible.

[0:52:24] Voice 25: Well, there's underspending of vacancies, but then it's higher than budgeted staff wage.

[0:52:33] Voice 25: So I'm kind of confused.

[0:52:34] Voice 25: And then maybe I'm really confused.

[0:52:40] Voice 25: It's all about the underspending.

[0:52:41] Voice 26: I'm trying to figure out why I asked that.

[0:52:44] Voice 26: Turn your microphone off.

[0:52:45] Voice 26: That's right.

[0:52:46] Voice 26: And we'll go to Julia.

[0:52:48] Voice 31: So I'm not sure exactly what your question was going to be.

[0:52:52] Voice 31: But for last fiscal year, we did have higher-than-expected wage increases for our union staff.

[0:52:59] Voice 31: So we were paying out more to union staff than was budgeted for.

[0:53:04] Voice 31: Overall, we still did underspend on staff salaries because we had staff vacancies in the year.

[0:53:09] Voice 31: So in the departmental areas where we had staff vacancies, you'll see an underspending in salaries because of those vacancies.

[0:53:15] Voice 31: in the areas where we had fully staffed areas you'll see an

[0:53:19] Voice 31: overspending due to the higher

[0:53:21] Voice 31: wage

[0:53:22] Voice 14: increase for union staff so does that help

[0:53:26] Voice 3: alex does that yeah

[0:53:30] Voice 25: sorry i don't know what i'm

[0:53:33] Voice 25: what my little things mean anymore okay so i think i'll just move on okay i'm sorry about this all

[0:53:39] Voice 25: right and

[0:53:39] Voice 26: certainly julia is available to you who's next uh at least today if

[0:53:43] Voice 25: you have a question

[0:53:44] Voice 26: comes up you can certainly ask her that so if there's no further questions on the consent agenda

[0:53:48] Voice 26: agenda items, then I'm going to receive those and approve, receive them and approve them as

[0:53:56] Voice 26: indicated in the report. So this now will move on to section nine. Oh, Christina Evans.

[0:54:04] Trustee Evans (probable): I think this is a request for a decision. So should we not make the motion?

[0:54:08] Voice 26: Nope. That's a consent agenda item. It will be adopted as recommended in the, in the,

[0:54:18] Voice 26: in the report, if I'm not mistaken.

[0:54:21] Voice 26: Legislative Services Manager, David Mahler.

[0:54:26] Voice 4: Yeah, anything on the agenda is deemed to be received

[0:54:29] Voice 4: by the council.

[0:54:30] Voice 26: Right. But it's an RFD,

[0:54:34] Voice 26: a decision item. It's adopted as recommended.

[0:54:37] Voice 4: Yes, that's right.

[0:54:39] Voice 26: Thank you. All right, then. So thank

[0:54:42] Voice 26: you for double checking on that. That is important that we're all on the same page.

[0:54:46] Voice 26: So now we're going to move to the election declarations,

[0:54:49] Voice 26: trustee biography presentations,

[0:54:51] Voice 26: and Director of Legislative Services, David Mahler,

[0:54:54] Voice 26: you're going to lead us through this.

[0:55:00] Voice 4: Yes, thank you.

[0:55:01] Voice 4: As I said yesterday, we have two candidates

[0:55:04] Voice 4: for the election to the Alice Trust Conservancy.

[0:55:08] Voice 4: Nobody else has indicated their interest to run.

[0:55:12] Voice 4: That doesn't prevent them from indicating that interest later

[0:55:16] Voice 4: and being nominated tomorrow.

[0:55:18] Voice 4: So this is just for those that have already indicated that they would like to run.

[0:55:22] Voice 4: So we have two, so Marie Bowman and Lisa Garu.

[0:55:27] Voice 4: So just going alphabetical order, Marie, if you would like to take the stand and you have up to five minutes to say what you'd like to say.

[0:55:38] Voice 3: This

[0:55:49] Voice 17: is on. OK, so I provided a biography and I'll just reflect on that a little bit.

[0:56:01] Voice 17: Early on in my career reading Islands Trust material, and I am a bit of a terrier when it comes to that,

[0:56:11] Voice 17: I came across the Regional Conservation Plan for the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:56:17] Voice 17: And the vision in that strategy really rang home with me.

[0:56:23] Voice 17: I wish this vision was a vision that was held by the Islands Trust as a whole.

[0:56:27] Voice 17: it would put a lot of difficulty to bed in my view the vision of the islands trust conservancy

[0:56:33] Voice 17: is that the islands and waters of the straits of georgia and house and will be a vibrant tapestry

[0:56:40] Voice 17: of culture and ecology where humans live and work in harmony with the natural world

[0:56:46] Voice 17: and i thought that's a pretty good vision and i liked the strategy i like the plans

[0:56:52] Voice 17: I have a good deal of experience in working on general conservation issues I have an interest

[0:57:00] Voice 17: I have practical experience in administration in those fields I have a list of you know

[0:57:07] Voice 17: individual initiatives that I've been involved in kelp mapping in cooperation with main island

[0:57:15] Voice 17: in conservancy which is fabulously run by rob underhill the sea star bioplits on saturn i have

[0:57:24] Voice 17: personally almost killed myself on those slippery rocks on more than one occasion i think it's some

[0:57:30] Voice 17: sort of you know culling exercise for older people on saturn actually masquerading as these

[0:57:36] Voice 17: d-star mapping and i've managed this eternal intertidal safari you know in cooperation with

[0:57:44] Voice 17: CIMRES for several years. I'm an active volunteer with CIMRES and in the more distant past I've

[0:57:53] Voice 17: campaigned for Malaysia Nature Society local area to be gazetted as a nature reserve.

[0:58:01] Voice 17: I thought about a couple of other things. I see a challenge for the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:58:06] Voice 17: mentioned several times by Kate Emmings, your stellar manager, where she talks about

[0:58:15] Voice 17: the need or the difficulty in accepting more land because it's so fragmented and the staff

[0:58:25] Voice 17: requirements to manage that well create creates a challenge so that's one of the things that i

[0:58:31] Voice 17: thought would be interesting to kind of see if that could be recast in some way and um

[0:58:39] Voice 17: And I see a great opportunity through the use of land and nature to learn more about from First Nations.

[0:58:51] Voice 17: I mean, I sometimes think about the fact that as an Irish person, I was a First Nation person to some degree in Ireland and we were colonized.

[0:59:02] Voice 17: and I know what it is to have your language wiped out

[0:59:06] Voice 17: and to have the names of places turned into words

[0:59:12] Voice 17: that don't necessarily make sense.

[0:59:15] Voice 17: And that kind of rang home with me

[0:59:17] Voice 17: and made me think about the land where I now live

[0:59:21] Voice 17: and how it's named and how you could explore, you know,

[0:59:26] Voice 17: what those original names would be, albeit hard to pronounce,

[0:59:30] Voice 17: but then Irish isn't that easy either.

[0:59:34] Voice 17: So those things kind of came to me and I thought,

[0:59:38] Voice 17: yeah, when this opportunity came up,

[0:59:40] Voice 17: I thought I would step forward.

[0:59:43] Voice 17: So thank you very much for considering me.

[0:59:45] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: have Lisa make a presentation, then we can have time for questions for both candidates afterwards.

[1:00:09] Voice 20: Hello. I hope everyone can hear me. I'll send it on my bio a little bit later this afternoon.

[1:00:17] Voice 20: I wrote it up a while ago, but I've

[1:00:18] Voice 1: been hanging on

[1:00:19] Voice 20: to it. Anyway, I'll start off a little bit

[1:00:22] Voice 20: about me. I own and operate a restaurant in Galliano. We're lucky to be celebrating our

[1:00:28] Voice 20: ninth year of business this month. Before I became a trustee, I worked in the nonprofit sector. I was

[1:00:34] Voice 20: president and chair of two housing societies. Over the past few years, I've taken a lot of

[1:00:41] Voice 20: board training through BCMPHA, British Columbia Nonprofit Housing Association, through their

[1:00:47] Voice 20: Housing U program. I've also taken online training sessions from the University of Saskatoon,

[1:00:55] Voice 20: completed training from the

[1:00:57] Voice 20: Southern Gulf Islands Community Resource

[1:00:59] Voice 20: Centre so like for development

[1:01:01] Voice 20: for non-profits

[1:01:02] Voice 20: good governance for non-profits

[1:01:05] Voice 20: capital planning

[1:01:06] Voice 20: non-profits, reconciliations

[1:01:10] Voice 20: Saskatoon

[1:01:11] Voice 20: the land acknowledgement

[1:01:13] Voice 20: workshops part one and two

[1:01:14] Voice 20: very informative

[1:01:16] Voice 20: I've taken quite a few others but I won't mention

[1:01:19] Voice 20: them all. As I said

[1:01:21] Voice 20: as President and Chair of two housing

[1:01:23] Voice 20: and societies we successfully negotiated uh two complicated and lengthy rezoning applications

[1:01:30] Voice 20: i became well informed at managing environmental considerations while dealing with the

[1:01:34] Voice 20: conservation covenants uh throughout my 20 plus years on galliano i've watched the island

[1:01:42] Voice 20: trust conservancy spread information and educate communities about conservation about property

[1:01:49] Voice 20: property management. I learned about the importance of voluntary land conservation

[1:01:54] Voice 20: and the lasting legacy that that can provide. Seeing how much progress has been made is heartening

[1:02:04] Voice 20: and I want to be part of that team. Moving forward together in stewardship requires a

[1:02:09] Voice 20: commitment to listening, to learning and to looking to the future and these values are

[1:02:15] Voice 20: are essential when building relationships with First Nations, with the public, and with each

[1:02:21] Voice 20: other. I want to see the Island Trust Conservancy succeed in its goals. I obviously care about my

[1:02:27] Voice 20: children's future, and the Island Trust Conservancy's work can help ensure that they

[1:02:32] Voice 20: have a healthy and sustainable environment to grow up in. I'm deeply invested in the future

[1:02:39] Voice 20: of these islands, and we are very fortunate to call it home. I look forward to answering

[1:02:44] Voice 16: any of your questions okay

[1:02:57] Voice 3: so there are time for

[1:02:59] Voice 4: questions for either candidates to help you with

[1:03:02] Voice 4: making a decision tomorrow so any

[1:03:04] Voice 3: questions for either candidate okay yeah well i

[1:03:14] Voice 12: would ask um

[1:03:15] Voice 12: both candidates um their

[1:03:17] Voice 20: thoughts on developing co-management and stewardship plans with first

[1:03:21] Voice 20: nations for in in the view of conservation what are your thoughts on that i believe that for the

[1:03:31] Voice 20: on stress and for the local indigenous communities that is the way forward no idea what it's going to

[1:03:37] Voice 20: look like but i think we can create a space for those conversations to happen and i believe it's

[1:03:45] Voice 20: the conservancy that is our footboard

[1:03:47] Voice 16: i

[1:03:53] Voice 17: can only echo that i was actually going to make it even

[1:03:55] Voice 17: shorter i was going to say good idea but yeah it is a good idea and we just have to figure out how

[1:04:04] Voice 17: to do these things and indeed the conservancy is a good place to try and find that or

[1:04:10] Voice 16: work that out

[1:04:20] Voice 16: sorry my questions for

[1:04:23] Voice 4: the candidates not only okay i'll pass it back to the chair thank you

[1:04:29] Voice 26: okay thank you david and i think you indicated earlier that the nominations will be uh tomorrow

[1:04:36] Voice 26: tomorrow. Where exactly is that on our three-day schedule? It's

[1:04:41] Voice 4: on Thursday, I think it's 11

[1:04:45] Voice 26: 10 15.

[1:04:47] Voice 26: Oh, I see that. That's

[1:04:48] Voice 4: the election. Okay, so

[1:04:49] Voice 26: it'll be nominations followed by the election.

[1:04:52] Voice 26: Correct. Perfect. Okay, thank you very much. So do get, if you're interested, please get a hold

[1:04:58] Voice 26: to David Mahler to assist you with the process. So, Council, we're at 2.22. Thank you very much.

[1:05:07] Voice 26: And we're going to go into Trust Area Services. We have a scheduled break at three o'clock,

[1:05:12] Voice 26: and we're just going to flow through this until we get to three o'clock, and then we'll have a

[1:05:15] Voice 26: break. And so, the next item on our agenda is the Consent Agenda Items. There's two pieces there,

[1:05:22] Voice 26: 12.11 trust programs committee work program report and a 12.12 is the census infographics

[1:05:30] Voice 26: briefing um and i'll ask if there's any questions on or anybody wishes to speak to

[1:05:37] Voice 26: those two particular items otherwise we will receive them uh for information as recommended

[1:05:45] Voice 26: in the um in the reports anybody online or in the room that wishes to ask any questions on

[1:05:51] Voice 26: those two items okay i thought for sure there'd be some questions on the census and i'm going to

[1:06:00] Voice 26: leave mine for another day i think but um thank you very much director fader for all of you and

[1:06:06] Voice 26: your team's work in preparing what is quite often complex detailed information which is what we're

[1:06:12] Voice 26: seeing in that census uh information so then discussion items and decision items that are

[1:06:17] Voice 26: before us here now at 12.2 on page 149 of your package is trust area services director's report

[1:06:24] Voice 26: And so I'll turn to you, Director Frater, for your report.

[1:06:29] Voice 20: Thank you, Chair.

[1:06:31] Voice 20: I'll just start off by highlighting we're very excited to be having two new staff people

[1:06:35] Voice 20: join us in mid-July to really help us move our work program forward.

[1:06:39] Voice 20: So we'll be welcoming Robin Keffie as their Senior Indigenous Relations Advisor in the

[1:06:44] Voice 20: permanent role.

[1:06:45] Voice 20: And we're going to have Mary Storzer join us as an Acting Senior Policy Advisor.

[1:06:50] Voice 20: So very pleased to have those people, two people joining us.

[1:06:52] Voice 20: and I look forward to reporting back to you in September

[1:06:55] Voice 20: with some new momentum underway within Trust Area Services.

[1:06:59] Voice 20: So with that, I wanted to report that the Policy Statement Project has faced delays.

[1:07:04] Voice 20: When I was here in March, we were hopeful that our permanent staff person,

[1:07:07] Voice 20: Delaunay, might have been back sooner. But as that's not the case,

[1:07:10] Voice 20: we really have been struggling with capacity to advance that project.

[1:07:13] Voice 20: I've projected for you now looking at renewed timelines that I expect we would bring it to

[1:07:17] Voice 20: Trust Programs Committee likely in January. So that's sort of the timeline we're looking at

[1:07:22] Voice 20: now. Our intention is to bring it to First Nations so we can bring their comments on the draft to you

[1:07:27] Voice 20: when we bring you the draft, and we want to make sure nations have ample time with the document to

[1:07:31] Voice 20: provide those comments. So January looks like the most reasonable time to bring it forward.

[1:07:37] Voice 20: In terms of additional work for Trust Area Services, I want to thank everyone for all

[1:07:40] Voice 20: their work on the annual report you have before you today as a decision item. It's always

[1:07:45] Voice 20: a complex undertaking to coordinate to get all the local trust committees in,

[1:07:49] Voice 20: but hopefully leads to a smooth decision at this table and our next steps for that project once

[1:07:54] Voice 20: you've approved or provided any changes we'll put it through graphic design and provide it to the

[1:07:59] Voice 20: minister and all the parties who receive a copy and communicate it out to the public also a high

[1:08:04] Voice 20: priority project is first nation letters we're trying to coordinate letters from all the local

[1:08:09] Voice 20: trust committees to all of the nations so we're in a good position now i think all the background

[1:08:14] Voice 20: work on that has been done and now we're moving into production mode and as we discussed yesterday

[1:08:18] Voice 20: that hopefully will go through the vice chairs and then any other trustees that have a strong

[1:08:22] Voice 20: interest in you know having a look at something um also we're going to continue with the census

[1:08:28] Voice 20: data that's on your agenda today to push that out to local trust committee agendas and other

[1:08:32] Voice 20: council committees so you can see the local information if you haven't seen yet it's on

[1:08:36] Voice 20: the trends monitoring page on the website um all the um data is already posted we are seeking one

[1:08:43] Voice 20: one more set. We're going to be doing a small update around the number of dwellings. So stay

[1:08:49] Voice 20: tuned for that. And one of the bigger initiatives coming is the communication strategy for the trust

[1:08:54] Voice 20: that we'll be working on to support you through this term. And related to that, you hopefully

[1:08:58] Voice 20: have all received communications with a survey to complete and a doodle poll to note your

[1:09:03] Voice 20: availability to be interviewed. We're going to ask if you can fill that out by Monday.

[1:09:08] Voice 20: And if anybody wants to fill out a paper survey instead of going online, I have a few at my

[1:09:12] Voice 20: my table here that I could give you to complete overnight and hand back in tomorrow. So Morgana

[1:09:17] Voice 20: and Jillian are really looking forward to speaking with you. And so we can seek your preferences and

[1:09:20] Voice 20: ideas and input as we look at how we can make some changes to how we do communications at the trust.

[1:09:26] Voice 20: So thank you. The other thing I'll just note is Trust Programs Committee has asked us to put

[1:09:31] Voice 20: together a survey of residents around what their preferences are for stewardship education work for

[1:09:36] Voice 20: the term. So we look forward to receiving that input from residents. Thank you.

[1:09:42] Voice 26: Thank you, Director. Thank you, Director. And I'm very pleased to hear that you're getting support in your department for all the work that you've been undertaking to backfill for everybody.

[1:09:54] Voice 26: So that's really good news. So questions from the floor. I will recognize Mary Boland, Alex Allen.

[1:10:02] Voice 26: No, we are on the Trust Area Services Report. We're going to get to the annual report shortly.

[1:10:08] Voice 26: item 12.2.1 the report that the director has just presented may read boland

[1:10:15] Voice 15: yeah

[1:10:16] Voice 15: yeah

[1:10:18] Voice 26: go ahead

[1:10:21] Voice 17: uh about the census data i think it's a fantastic uh compilation

[1:10:28] Voice 17: um i note that the staff uh suggested adding in one other question and i'm just wondering if

[1:10:38] Voice 17: If there's an opportunity for trustees to just email you with any, because I certainly looked at it and I had a couple of ideas,

[1:10:47] Voice 17: but I would have to look at something that I could read, which I can't at the moment in the material.

[1:10:53] Voice 17: It's kind of shrunk down. So I'd love to just have, I don't know, a week or so to suggest.

[1:10:59] Voice 17: Before you go back, can you do one more thing as suggested by the staff

[1:11:05] Voice 17: that you see if there are any other ideas?

[1:11:08] Voice 17: So there's a compiled request.

[1:11:10] Voice 17: Does that make sense?

[1:11:11] Voice 17: Could we do that?

[1:11:13] Voice 17: Is there a deadline?

[1:11:14] Voice 26: Turn your microphone off.

[1:11:16] Voice 26: Oh, yeah.

[1:11:18] Voice 20: Certainly welcome new input.

[1:11:20] Voice 20: I have already made the request of Statistics Canada,

[1:11:22] Voice 20: but certainly happy to hear additional requests if needed.

[1:11:25] Voice 20: The metrics that we developed were developed collaboratively

[1:11:29] Voice 20: with the planning managers.

[1:11:30] Voice 20: around what was felt to be most useful to decision making at the trust but certainly

[1:11:34] Voice 20: happy to hear more input and i can always go in for revised quotes

[1:11:37] Voice 17: and just one other follow-up

[1:11:40] Voice 17: is um the um the profile that was created for main island was just um really excellent as part of the

[1:11:49] Voice 17: housing uh strategy and i think pretty much any island that saw it wanted one for themselves

[1:11:57] Voice 17: So I don't know how easy it is to replicate that now that you've got the census data.

[1:12:04] Voice 17: So,

[1:12:08] Voice 20: yes, we are working on replicating the housing profile that Main Island got.

[1:12:13] Voice 20: I believe our co-op student in the Northern Office is assisting with that.

[1:12:17] Voice 20: So that is in the works.

[1:12:21] Voice 26: Any other questions for the director on her report?

[1:12:27] Voice 7: Yeah, just going back to the letters to the First Nations

[1:12:31] Voice 7: from the LTC. Did I hear that the trustees, all the trustees would not have an opportunity to

[1:12:40] Voice 7: look at the letter before it was sent out? Sorry.

[1:12:47] Voice 20: That currently was the proposed approach is that

[1:12:49] Voice 20: it would go through, for sake of efficiency, would go through the vice chairs for approval.

[1:12:53] Voice 20: But certainly if there's someone with a strong view, I think we'd be happy to accommodate a

[1:12:57] Voice 20: request to review. But just trying to, you know, we would like to get these issued. So trying to

[1:13:02] Voice 20: to find a path of expediency on the review process,

[1:13:05] Voice 20: but certainly I'm open to hearing

[1:13:07] Voice 20: that everyone wants to take a look.

[1:13:10] Voice 26: Follow up, Dag?

[1:13:11] Voice 7: Yeah, just for me,

[1:13:15] Voice 7: because that's a very important issue

[1:13:17] Voice 7: and it's for me, it's the first reaching out,

[1:13:20] Voice 7: something coming basically from me, right?

[1:13:22] Voice 7: The communication to the First Nations.

[1:13:25] Voice 7: I feel like that's a pretty personal message.

[1:13:30] Voice 7: And so I feel uncomfortable not having at least seen it,

[1:13:34] Voice 7: and maybe having the opportunity to even change it.

[1:13:37] Voice 7: I don't know what it's going to look like.

[1:13:39] Voice 7: It just feels too risky to me.

[1:13:41] Voice 7: Right. Thank you so much.

[1:13:42] Voice 7: Can you speak,

[1:13:43] Voice 26: Claire, to the personal,

[1:13:46] Voice 26: who the letter is coming from?

[1:13:48] Voice 20: So the signatories that we put on the letter

[1:13:50] Voice 20: are the four vice chairs.

[1:13:51] Voice 20: So it would be coming from the four vice chairs,

[1:13:54] Voice 20: but on behalf of the, like in some cases,

[1:13:56] Voice 20: on behalf of seven local trust committees

[1:13:58] Voice 1: or nine

[1:13:59] Voice 20: local trust committees

[1:14:00] Voice 20: or however many are in that territory.

[1:14:03] Voice 20: There are, I think, two instances where the nation only has one local trust area.

[1:14:08] Voice 20: It's a one-to-one relationship.

[1:14:09] Voice 20: In that case, we'll repurpose it such that it comes from those local trustees and the chair.

[1:14:14] Voice 20: But in most cases, the vice chair would be representing, you know, multiple local trust committees at once.

[1:14:21] Voice 26: Right. Thank you.

[1:14:22] Voice 26: So I think the director has indicated where there's a necessity, you're trying to accommodate that.

[1:14:29] Voice 26: And so I would suggest you just reach out directly to the director.

[1:14:31] Voice 26: director. So Christina Evans over to you.

[1:14:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah, I've got the same issue. So I was going to make

[1:14:37] Trustee Evans (probable): a suggestion that rather than, for example, Doug and myself talking directly to Claire,

[1:14:42] Trustee Evans (probable): how about we work through our vice chair?

[1:14:47] Voice 26: That seems appropriate for director. Yeah.

[1:14:51] Voice 26: CEO Hotson-Pillow, you want to add something in here? Go

[1:14:55] Voice 6: ahead. So we're seven months in and I'm

[1:15:01] Voice 6: completely hearing what you're saying. At what point does our introductory letters become

[1:15:06] Voice 6: become um too late in the game I guess is the question so do you do we want to have all

[1:15:15] Voice 6: trustees edit and contribute to the letters um if if we do just anticipate that there's a you're

[1:15:25] Voice 6: going to attack another month on and that's fine um this process is um I don't know if it's the

[1:15:34] Voice 6: next best thing but it's certainly a means of getting the information out to the nations about

[1:15:38] Voice 6: about the LTCs and their work.

[1:15:41] Voice 6: So it's a governance decision on how you wanna proceed.

[1:15:45] Voice 26: Okay, thank you, CEO.

[1:15:47] Voice 26: Thanks for that message.

[1:15:48] Voice 26: Christine Evans.

[1:15:49] Trustee Evans (probable): I'd just like to follow up with that.

[1:15:51] Trustee Evans (probable): When there are letters going out that represent us

[1:15:55] Trustee Evans (probable): and like the LTC people, like we are the trustees

[1:16:00] Trustee Evans (probable): and you're writing letters on our behalf

[1:16:01] Trustee Evans (probable): and we're not getting to see them,

[1:16:03] Trustee Evans (probable): to me, that's not acceptable.

[1:16:04] Trustee Evans (probable): We need to see them because if we do not agree

[1:16:07] Trustee Evans (probable): with the message that's going out,

[1:16:08] Trustee Evans (probable): you are not representing us. And so I strongly feel that we need to see those letters. If it

[1:16:15] Trustee Evans (probable): takes a little extra time, it's going to take extra time. It's just, I'd rather work slowly

[1:16:19] Trustee Evans (probable): and get it right than rush through it and get it wrong.

[1:16:24] Voice 26: Understood. The opportunity exists for you

[1:16:26] Voice 26: to reach out to the director and to your vice chair, and you can follow, and that would apply

[1:16:30] Voice 26: to anybody that wishes to be engaged in this. There will be obvious further delays, but totally

[1:16:36] Voice 26: respect the requirement for you to know what it is being said so and I know the director feels

[1:16:43] Voice 26: that way as well so any further questions on the director's report not seeing any let's proceed

[1:16:52] Voice 26: then to the Allen's Trust Conservancy report at 12.2.2 you want to take that one director

[1:16:59] Voice 26: happy

[1:17:02] Voice 19: to I'll just provide a few highlights here particularly that happy

[1:17:07] Voice 20: to report that

[1:17:08] Voice 20: that annual monitoring is underway.

[1:17:10] Voice 20: This is where we go and visit every property

[1:17:12] Voice 20: to determine that it's in good health,

[1:17:14] Voice 20: to do some assessments around whether or not

[1:17:16] Voice 20: there's been any breaches.

[1:17:17] Voice 20: Like sometimes we have neighbors

[1:17:18] Voice 20: that sometimes don't know where the boundaries are,

[1:17:20] Voice 20: or we've had a change in landowner

[1:17:22] Voice 20: who may not be familiar with the terms of a covenant, et cetera.

[1:17:25] Voice 20: And so this is actively underway.

[1:17:28] Voice 20: So hopefully you've heard from our staff

[1:17:29] Voice 20: visiting islands and checking on the properties,

[1:17:32] Voice 20: and the board will be getting a report

[1:17:33] Voice 20: around that near future.

[1:17:36] Voice 20: Also as another highlight,

[1:17:37] Voice 20: we're pleased to welcome Eve as our new co-op student who's been busy and a nice presence in

[1:17:42] Voice 20: the office and I think I was going to say we've had a number of new inquiries and a new proposal

[1:17:48] Voice 20: accepted so work is continuing it's a very full work program for this group but exciting work and

[1:17:54] Voice 20: I would just highlight especially that the board welcomed Ken Thomas a leader of Penelakut nation

[1:17:59] Voice 20: or Penelakut tribes to the board and looks forward to his presence and we look forward

[1:18:04] Voice 20: to welcoming charles kahn to the board in august where linda adams will be stepping away thank you

[1:18:12] Voice 16: thank you um

[1:18:19] Voice 26: anybody on the conservancy on this report um i should i'll recognize

[1:18:24] Voice 26: kate lou stanford sorry

[1:18:28] Voice 20: could you just go back and mention you've got a new board member

[1:18:31] Voice 20: that you just announced um that's coming on after linda adams um do we know anymore

[1:18:40] Voice 20: Charles Conn of Salt Spring Island will be stepping in as the new board member.

[1:18:45] Voice 20: He's been an active trails advocate on Salt Spring as well as has a high interest in conservation.

[1:18:54] Voice 26: Thank you. Any other questions? Joe Bernardo.

[1:18:59] Voice 9: Thank you. Looking at the report briefly and the little description about covenant and

[1:19:07] Voice 9: property management um i'm not seeing anything in there about um what the conservancy strategy

[1:19:14] Voice 9: is with respect to fire risk for the lands under our management and where that question comes from

[1:19:21] Voice 9: well the question is what are we doing in terms of managing fire risk and by way of background

[1:19:26] Voice 9: that question emerges from the recent useful briefing we had from a couple of eminent foresters

[1:19:35] Voice 9: who talked about how many of the forests

[1:19:40] Voice 9: of the Gulf Islands are essentially second growth

[1:19:44] Voice 9: and as a result of that sick

[1:19:47] Voice 9: and I'm not doing justice to what they said

[1:19:50] Voice 9: but they're higher fire risk

[1:19:52] Voice 9: and thinning may be required

[1:19:54] Voice 9: in order to, given climate change,

[1:19:58] Voice 9: drying conditions, higher fire risk,

[1:20:00] Voice 9: active management of those lands

[1:20:02] Voice 9: may be a prudent thing to do.

[1:20:05] Voice 9: to limit fire risk so uh what are we doing in terms of actively to the extent possible actively

[1:20:13] Voice 9: managing those lands against the increasing fire risk we're facing in the future thank

[1:20:24] Voice 20: you for the

[1:20:24] Voice 20: question you'd get a more fulsome answer for kate emmings but i can let you know in this report here

[1:20:28] Voice 20: on page um

[1:20:31] Voice 19: page

[1:20:32] Voice 20: 154 of your agenda in the first quadrant of number three there you'll note that

[1:20:35] Voice 20: the board has recently completed an initial compilation of climate change impacts data

[1:20:41] Voice 20: applicable so there's work being done to look at what the climate impacts could be to the

[1:20:45] Voice 20: properties owned by the conservancy and consideration is certainly being given to

[1:20:48] Voice 20: fire amongst other impacts that are happening and each property management plan for a protected area

[1:20:54] Voice 20: will include all threats which would include

[1:20:56] Voice 20: fire i would leave it to kate perhaps we can follow up

[1:20:59] Voice 20: at a future meeting around the specifics of particular circumstances but it's certainly

[1:21:03] Voice 20: an active consideration of the board and something that's looked at very

[1:21:08] Voice 26: good thank you joe for that

[1:21:09] Voice 26: question thank you for the answer director fader any other questions for the director

[1:21:15] Voice 26: um susan yates um

[1:21:17] Voice 12: not really a question but just a comment under the covenant and property

[1:21:21] Voice 12: management they completed the initial compilation of climate change impacts data for the islands

[1:21:28] Voice 12: this trust area and that certainly would relate to fire management as well thank

[1:21:34] Voice 16: you anything

[1:21:35] Voice 16: further nobody

[1:21:38] Voice 26: online all right we're okay so now let's go to 12.2.3 this is the 2022-23 draft

[1:21:49] Voice 26: annual report all of you i believe have seen your individual submissions to that report and this is

[1:21:56] Voice 26: the compilation here and the decision today before us is to approve that so it can be sent up for

[1:22:02] Voice 26: publication director frederick you wish to speak to it

[1:22:05] Voice 20: yes thank you you've all um at your local

[1:22:09] Voice 20: trust committee or i i'm interested to have reviewed it but this is your opportunity to

[1:22:14] Voice 20: review the report in its entirety and provide any requests you have for edits on other sections

[1:22:20] Voice 20: and otherwise there's a recommendation there for you to approve it and we will then implement the

[1:22:23] Voice 20: recommendation as per prior years thank

[1:22:27] Voice 26: you director i'll get you to turn your mic off and

[1:22:30] Voice 26: And I'll ask Alex Allen.

[1:22:31] Voice 26: I think you had a question with respect to the annual report.

[1:22:34] Voice 26: So I'll start off with you.

[1:22:36] Voice 25: Yeah.

[1:22:38] Voice 25: Under the legislative services,

[1:22:39] Voice 25: I'm not sure whether we're privy to this information

[1:22:42] Voice 25: regarding those four complaints on administrative fairness.

[1:22:45] Voice 25: Can you elaborate on that,

[1:22:47] Voice 25: or are we not allowed to know anything about that?

[1:22:51] Voice 19: I will turn to the Director of Legislative Services

[1:22:53] Voice 19: around the four complaints around administrative fairness

[1:22:56] Voice 19: that were

[1:22:57] Voice 4: noted in the annual report.

[1:23:02] Voice 4: Are you asking for details on them? We won't be providing that information

[1:23:06] Voice 3: at the meeting.

[1:23:14] Voice 26: Thank you, David. Any other questions on the annual report?

[1:23:20] Voice 26: Anybody online? It looks like we're okay with that. I'd like somebody to make the motion that's

[1:23:30] Voice 26: in the request for decision. Susan Yates.

[1:23:33] Voice 12: I move that the Islands Trust Council approve the 2022-23

[1:23:37] Voice 12: draft annual report for submission to the minister of municipal affairs second

[1:23:43] Voice 26: seconded by uh alex

[1:23:45] Voice 26: allen thank you very much um is there any further discussion not seeing any then i'll call for the

[1:23:55] Voice 26: vote all those in favor please raise your hands physically in the room electronically online

[1:24:00] Voice 26: and david i'll let you do the tally looks like majority here everybody

[1:24:07] Voice 26: everybody. And one online, I think. So please lower your hands. And just for clarity, any

[1:24:14] Voice 26: opposed? Trustee Harris, opposed. So that then carries. So thank you very much, everybody.

[1:24:23] Voice 26: That'll be sent off to the printers and off to the minister. This is an important document.

[1:24:28] Voice 26: I consider it as a report out to the shareholders of the trust, being the province and Mike's

[1:24:34] Voice 26: others and so thank you for this important work it's a big workload um we are now at 2 41 so i'm

[1:24:42] Voice 26: going to continue on as i promised to till three o'clock for our break and we're going to move into

[1:24:47] Voice 26: the planning services uh area and um uh the consent agenda item single item here is the

[1:24:54] Voice 26: regional planning committee work program report and uh we will just uh uh approve that for as

[1:25:02] Voice 26: as presented, unless there's somebody who wishes to speak to it and seek some clarity.

[1:25:07] Voice 26: So on item 13.1.1, page 196 of your agenda, anybody wish to speak to that report?

[1:25:16] Voice 26: Looking online, I don't see any hands, and it looks like there are no questions in the room.

[1:25:24] Voice 26: So I'm going to move on then to discussion decision items, and the one piece here is at 13.2.1,

[1:25:31] Voice 26: page 201 of your agenda the planning services director report and director uh stefan cermak

[1:25:40] Voice 26: pardon me

[1:25:45] Voice 15: all

[1:25:45] Voice 26: right thank you is there further is there any questions on 13.11

[1:25:55] Voice 15: no page

[1:25:57] Voice 25: 196. you know can i just say something why this is also confusing because we have this

[1:26:03] Voice 25: little tape contacts we refer these numbers and then in a report it doesn't have any of the

[1:26:07] Voice 25: numbers so that's it's uh fair enough it's hard for us to

[1:26:12] Voice 26: keep follow up that's all

[1:26:13] Voice 26: that yeah so page 196 that's where i say page 196 of the agenda item 13.11 the regional planning

[1:26:22] Voice 26: work program report does anybody wish to address that item

[1:26:33] Voice 27: i think

[1:26:38] Voice 16: we're okay we're good yeah this

[1:26:41] Voice 16: Just discovered there's an index thing.

[1:26:44] Voice 16: We're good.

[1:26:45] Voice 16: Just discovered

[1:26:46] Voice 8: or you just

[1:26:47] Voice 8: missed out?

[1:26:48] Voice 16: It's very handy.

[1:26:51] Voice 26: Sometimes discovery comes from being

[1:26:52] Voice 26: with us.

[1:26:54] Voice 26: Thank you and thank you for the humor.

[1:26:56] Voice 26: You must have missed the eSquad training

[1:26:58] Voice 26: all those years ago. Thank you very much.

[1:27:02] Voice 26: Thank you for the

[1:27:03] Voice 26: reminder to slow down.

[1:27:05] Voice 26: Then 13.2.1

[1:27:08] Voice 26: Planning Services

[1:27:09] Voice 26: services director report that is on page 201 and I'm going to turn to the director to present his

[1:27:15] Voice 26: report step on so much I just

[1:27:22] Voice 8: um I just had a question about the the previous item there and

[1:27:26] Voice 8: I just wondered um uh I I assume that uh the chair of uh regional planning committee would have uh

[1:27:34] Voice 8: spoken up, but

[1:27:37] Voice 8: sometimes it's helpful

[1:27:39] Voice 8: for the

[1:27:41] Voice 8: Trust Council when

[1:27:43] Voice 8: if the Chair does have anything

[1:27:45] Voice 8: that they want to highlight to

[1:27:47] Voice 8: Council, so

[1:27:49] Voice 8: obviously not, but

[1:27:50] Voice 8: never mind. Yeah, that

[1:27:54] Voice 26: would apply to any section of

[1:27:56] Voice 26: any of the work programs that we present, but

[1:27:58] Voice 26: thank you for the reminder.

[1:28:01] Voice 26: Stefan Cermak, do you want

[1:28:02] Voice 26: to speak to your Director's report?

[1:28:05] Voice 10: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:28:08] Voice 10: I'm going to try to keep it brief, but I'm going to separate it as the report is separated into three sections, operational planning, regional planning, and current planning.

[1:28:23] Voice 10: So starting at the top, in the order of the report, you have an ombudsperson report. You already heard the CAO give you a briefing on that. We've had some communications with the ombudsperson, and we will be reporting back in September.

[1:28:35] Voice 10: they've given us an initial review of the administrative fairness of the policies.

[1:28:41] Voice 10: Following up after that is the Local Government Development Approvals Program.

[1:28:45] Voice 10: And just to remind you what this is, the intent of this approvals program is to support the implementation of established best practices

[1:28:53] Voice 10: and to improve development approvals processes while meeting the local government planning and policy objectives.

[1:28:59] Voice 10: This is the province giving out funding to improve the process that local governments do to accelerate housing applications going through.

[1:29:09] Voice 10: The Islands Trust accepted or got a grant for over $350,000 to change our software system, which is our information system.

[1:29:17] Voice 10: It's like a big deal.

[1:29:19] Voice 10: And we're putting in this new software called CityView, which is kind of an industry standard.

[1:29:24] Voice 10: That is moving along.

[1:29:25] Voice 10: It's a really complex process.

[1:29:27] Voice 10: We've been looking at our own internal best practices of how to do charting, the processes, and then putting these into the new software program.

[1:29:36] Voice 10: The timeline was tight, and it's been pushed back with approvals from UBCM.

[1:29:41] Voice 10: We expect to go live by around Christmastime or New Year's Eve.

[1:29:44] Voice 10: And that's been some really dedicated hard work for our team administratively, so I can't underestimate how thankful I am for that because I hate it.

[1:29:54] Voice 10: Okay, so then after that, we have planning services renewal.

[1:29:57] Voice 10: This is a term we use for years.

[1:30:00] Voice 10: years, but several years of renewing our planning services. This is what gets you new policies last

[1:30:06] Voice 10: year with the best management practices for delivery of planning services. That's led to

[1:30:12] Voice 10: creations of teams, et cetera. I'll get into that in a minute, but we're continuing that work. And

[1:30:17] Voice 10: right now we're looking at an administrative lens. How can we help administrative team

[1:30:24] Voice 10: be the best they can and that was part of the reason why you get trust council approved some

[1:30:30] Voice 10: business some changes to job classifications and it leads to retention and improved services and

[1:30:38] Voice 10: efficiency and so on and so forth so working on that actively right now and had a lot of work

[1:30:42] Voice 10: going forth now from a regional planning perspective been working a lot in the last

[1:30:47] Voice 10: quarter with the regional planning committee met a couple times uh advancing their work we

[1:30:53] Voice 10: there the regional planning committee created a working group for housing and they've worked

[1:30:59] Voice 10: separately there's some exciting work happening there i would say right now the two key focuses

[1:31:05] Voice 10: of the regional planning committee although i'm being quite brave with that is housing and fresh

[1:31:10] Voice 10: water sustainability and the housing work um you're there's going to be a special meeting on

[1:31:15] Voice 10: July 27th with the Regional Planning Committee. You're all invited to attend. We'll be discussing

[1:31:20] Voice 10: a draft housing strategy at a regional perspective for consideration. It hasn't been adopted by the

[1:31:26] Voice 10: Trust Council to do such a thing yet, but we're putting the framework in place for you to decide.

[1:31:32] Voice 10: As well as, they'll be reviewing a housing options toolkit. Now, the toolkit has 16 different

[1:31:40] Voice 10: different toolkits in it that are proposed many of which are done many of which are being worked

[1:31:46] Voice 10: on and many of which are to be worked on if it's agreed to and this is the concept there is that

[1:31:52] Voice 10: each LTC can have the same and each planner can have the same baseline of information that you

[1:31:58] Voice 10: can take to your community to address housing issues of which we've heard is pretty consistent

[1:32:03] Voice 10: I'd love to tell you more but I encourage you to attend that July 27th meeting because I would

[1:32:09] Voice 10: spend a long time talking about that and not answer questions. Freshwater sustainability,

[1:32:14] Voice 10: they're continuing advancing that with communications being the focus for this term.

[1:32:22] Voice 10: And then after that, the regional planning committee is also working on project management.

[1:32:28] Voice 10: They're sort of taking over early screening and vetting of the LTC projects to see if they fit

[1:32:35] Voice 10: in a matrix of priority that they've had a very brief glimpse at and so in your report you'll see

[1:32:42] Voice 10: that I provided you a list of all the current major projects and all the current minor projects

[1:32:47] Voice 10: and you can see some of those are initiated and some of those are ongoing. The main message here

[1:32:53] Voice 10: is that that managing of those major projects is being done by a regional planning team which was

[1:32:59] Voice 10: was the result of the policy changes and they just formed in April and that team is sort of going

[1:33:05] Voice 10: through learning curve they really good at coming together they're sharing information they're

[1:33:10] Voice 10: comparing what's going on in each region and what we're looking for now is to come together more as

[1:33:15] Voice 10: a team where we can leverage each other's strengths and weaknesses and take a more of a team approach

[1:33:20] Voice 10: so that's a learning curve that we're going through and it takes time as you can imagine

[1:33:24] Voice 10: and especially with changing staff.

[1:33:26] Voice 10: But actually really excited by the deliverables about that.

[1:33:29] Voice 10: And I know that most of you see strengths and weaknesses

[1:33:33] Voice 10: throughout the organization.

[1:33:34] Voice 10: We're trying to leverage that to the best of our abilities.

[1:33:37] Voice 10: That goes down to the minor projects.

[1:33:39] Voice 10: I know not all of you, all your LTCs, have a minor active project.

[1:33:45] Voice 10: That kind of surprised me.

[1:33:46] Voice 10: I thought you would all be scrambling to have one.

[1:33:48] Voice 10: But I hear much discussion up there how to do that,

[1:33:52] Voice 10: how to leverage using your one minor active project to lead into a major project

[1:33:57] Voice 10: so those are great discussions i encourage you to keep having them i what i'm hearing is some

[1:34:02] Voice 10: creative solutions about working through this definition phase of a project how do we engage

[1:34:09] Voice 10: without spending a lot of resources how do we especially talk to first nations uh from a

[1:34:14] Voice 10: leadership yourselves to their leadership uh type of way so the conversations are going the direction

[1:34:20] Voice 10: direction staff believe are most helpful to you to get the work that you want done done so going

[1:34:27] Voice 10: on to current planning i provided some stats in there so what i did is i gave you a summary of

[1:34:32] Voice 10: the entire fiscal year if you can go down to the first pretty picture the graph yeah so i told you

[1:34:40] Voice 10: about the twin towers before perhaps it's a uncouth way to represent it i'm sorry but you can see

[1:34:46] Voice 10: covid the result of covid and the development applications and the exodus to the islands trust

[1:34:52] Voice 10: trust region on the development applications this is the complete right up to the end of March and

[1:34:57] Voice 10: so you can see that the numbers down went down from current planning applications and you think

[1:35:02] Voice 10: that's good but I have to offer you caution if you look at the top of that bar it is still above

[1:35:07] Voice 10: it's still on the trajectory if you got rid of the Twin Towers they're still on the rise so we're

[1:35:11] Voice 10: kind of more back on the original trajectory as opposed to um it's not like oh look we're not

[1:35:18] Voice 10: not doing crazy hours anymore. We're just really busy again. So that's what that message is to me.

[1:35:23] Voice 10: If I could go to the next graph, Laurie, that'd be great. I've got a couple of things going on

[1:35:32] Voice 10: here. So this is just a quarterly display. So you'll notice in the, you can see the wave there,

[1:35:38] Voice 10: there's a business cycle for, so that's a quarterly building applications or not just

[1:35:43] Voice 10: building development applications. So it's an interesting curve to watch. We can look seasonally

[1:35:47] Voice 10: or quarterly what's is it a busy spring is it a busy summer usually summer there's a bit of a

[1:35:54] Voice 10: die-off as all the projects are going because they want to get before the fire season's over

[1:35:59] Voice 10: and the rain's coming so on and so forth and the last one I put in for a trustee Alan he asked for

[1:36:04] Voice 10: it last time he says hey I want to see what it looks like per application per LTC so there it

[1:36:09] Voice 10: is that's for you Alex and guess who the you know I was gonna say Burj Dubai in there that the giant

[1:36:17] Voice 10: tower in the middle of salt springs applications so you ever wondering what it looks like on salt

[1:36:21] Voice 10: spring uh that's what it looks like on salt spring uh so there you go so that that's it in general

[1:36:28] Voice 10: i'm happy to answer any questions for

[1:36:32] Voice 26: the director i see uh marie boland and laura patrick and

[1:36:39] Voice 26: Toby Elliott. Go ahead, Mayreid.

[1:36:43] Voice 17: Figure 1.

[1:36:46] Voice 17: Could you comment on the fact that...

[1:36:49] Voice 15: I think that would be a good thing.

[1:36:53] Voice 17: Thanks.

[1:36:54] Voice 17: Could you, Figure 1, comment on the fact that the last bar,

[1:37:01] Voice 17: so the red part, new other,

[1:37:04] Voice 17: is now below the level of 2019,

[1:37:07] Voice 17: one nine but the blue part is what's feeding the still slightly high value so that balance

[1:37:16] Voice 17: between those two types do you want to comment on that because i'm thinking about the census figures

[1:37:23] Voice 17: and the fact that in on many islands you know the population has increased but the number of

[1:37:31] Voice 17: houses has not so i'm just thinking about how we look at and analyze those numbers to really

[1:37:37] Voice 17: understand what's happening and I think we need to integrate them with the census figures and other

[1:37:45] Voice 17: numbers to really understand what's happening. Thanks. Thank

[1:37:51] Voice 10: you for the question. The reason

[1:37:53] Voice 10: the information is presented here is so you can get a good look at the difference between what's

[1:37:57] Voice 10: referred to the organization for us to comment for other agencies versus what comes to the agency for

[1:38:04] Voice 10: for us to process.

[1:38:06] Voice 10: So the blue is by and large building permit applications

[1:38:10] Voice 10: and the red are development applications

[1:38:12] Voice 10: such as rezonings, development permits,

[1:38:14] Voice 10: develop very permits and the whole other.

[1:38:16] Voice 10: And so what you can see there is that building permits

[1:38:19] Voice 10: are still pretty high,

[1:38:21] Voice 10: but the development applications have actually decreased

[1:38:24] Voice 10: in relative mixture.

[1:38:26] Voice 10: But if there's a better way to convey that information,

[1:38:28] Voice 10: I'd be welcome to receive it.

[1:38:31] Voice 10: it's my hope that I give it in such a simple easy way that you can understand it in a quick read

[1:38:35] Voice 10: because I've heard graphs work wonders but if I can compare that to stats I'd be happy to know

[1:38:40] Voice 10: but keep in mind that we only get stats every four or five years.

[1:38:45] Voice 16: Okay I'm

[1:38:51] Voice 17: just curious as

[1:38:52] Voice 17: they're just swapping the balance do you have anything do you have any kind of insight into

[1:38:56] Voice 17: why that's happened or what it means?

[1:39:03] Voice 10: I actually wrote in my report that stat how did I say it

[1:39:08] Voice 10: I was being, I thought with you, staff are cautious to advise on interpreting the trend due to volatile finance markets and changing social economic conditions.

[1:39:17] Voice 10: I risk, I think I gave PhD to answer that question.

[1:39:23] Voice 26: Laura Patrick.

[1:39:27] Voice 11: I just wanted to more or less add a comment of what the regional planning committee in our last in-person meeting was a bit of an opportunity to get together,

[1:39:39] Voice 11: or spend some time and work closely with staff.

[1:39:43] Voice 11: I wanted to share with you,

[1:39:47] Voice 11: Trustee Borthwick had led

[1:39:49] Voice 11: the strategic planning conversations

[1:39:51] Voice 11: and kind of a learning experience.

[1:39:53] Voice 11: When we think of bylaws,

[1:39:54] Voice 11: bylaws aren't about responding to what's happened.

[1:39:56] Voice 11: We create bylaws expecting some future state to occur.

[1:40:00] Voice 11: And Trustee Borthwick challenged us with,

[1:40:04] Voice 11: what seeds do we need to be planting today

[1:40:07] Voice 11: to ensure we're reaping healthy communities in the future.

[1:40:11] Voice 11: I just thought the analogy there was very useful, helpful,

[1:40:13] Voice 11: and it really did plant us to,

[1:40:16] Voice 11: and you'll see then in the,

[1:40:18] Voice 11: when we referred to the resolution

[1:40:20] Voice 11: of what we were working on,

[1:40:22] Voice 11: we did talk about cultivating.

[1:40:26] Voice 11: So we kept with that garden theme.

[1:40:31] Voice 26: Thank you for that great message.

[1:40:33] Voice 26: And thank you, Sam, for the thought.

[1:40:35] Voice 26: I'm gonna go to Toby Elliott.

[1:40:38] Voice 12: Thank you. Yeah, I've had an inside look at the

[1:40:42] Voice 20: housing toolkit and its draft form, and I just want to, it's so excellent, and it's going to pull together so many of the potential strategies that we can use across LTCs.

[1:40:55] Voice 20: But I just wanted to point out to this council that it was because previous council allocated funding that managed to secure an auxiliary planner that essentially fleshed out the regional planning team, if I'm not correct.

[1:41:09] Voice 20: And so I think that planner is, well, Jason, he was dedicated to that work, and because of him, we were able to get it done.

[1:41:18] Voice 20: So what is the potential of filling out the regional planning team in the next budget cycle, financial planning committee?

[1:41:26] Voice 20: I'm flagging this for us to consider, because this is a really essential component.

[1:41:33] Voice 20: If we want to introduce efficiencies in our processes, all of our OCPs may look different,

[1:41:39] Voice 20: but the processes by which we engage with communities to come to really good decisions

[1:41:45] Voice 20: where everybody feels included, this could be the single greatest cost saving, I think,

[1:41:52] Voice 20: across the Alliance Trust.

[1:41:53] Voice 20: And I really would love to see us fill out the regional planning team.

[1:41:57] Voice 20: So flagging that for our future financial planning

[1:42:02] Voice 12: committee deliberations.

[1:42:08] Voice 16: I

[1:42:08] Voice 10: think I would love to remark an excellent point we were able to secure some extra planning

[1:42:15] Voice 10: resources from the regional planning committee it was kind of a complicated maneuvering of money but

[1:42:22] Voice 10: we were able to secure some money last fiscal in order to get a workshop together so that planners

[1:42:28] Voice 10: could develop the basis the bones of this building tool this toolkit which you will all get a chance

[1:42:33] Voice 10: to see in this new fiscal, we were able to continue that because we weren't fully staffed.

[1:42:38] Voice 10: And so we said that internally, the best resource to get a senior person is to

[1:42:44] Voice 10: dive into the housing issues. We didn't think we'd get any argument from anybody here

[1:42:47] Voice 10: and really flesh out the baseline information you have. So just an example of what that

[1:42:55] Voice 10: information includes is an updated to the baseline report that shows all your LTCs,

[1:43:00] Voice 10: ocp policies about housing and all your uh luvs about your your regulations on housing plus a

[1:43:07] Voice 10: toolkit of all the things that you can pause all the things that you've we've heard over the last

[1:43:11] Voice 10: 20 years about is feasible for you to do uh regarding housing now granted there's holes in

[1:43:16] Voice 10: there and you're going to get feedback to fill in there especially in the cooperation and financing

[1:43:20] Voice 10: area i think that's our weakness but moving on we're building baseline data so we can have a

[1:43:25] Voice 10: build-up map for each island if requested. We're making sure that that methodology is solid. That's

[1:43:30] Voice 10: where we're at right now, as well as a suitable land analysis which shows layers of information,

[1:43:36] Voice 10: especially from the Conservancy, about where to build and where not to build as a good idea.

[1:43:41] Voice 10: And it's not meant to be the golden ticket to where everybody can go and not go. It's meant

[1:43:45] Voice 10: to represent each LTC can ask those basic questions. Where does the water availability

[1:43:49] Voice 10: allow us to build? Where is the Conservancy areas that we don't want to go? And if we know

[1:43:54] Voice 10: some heritage information where not to go and so on and so forth so it's kind of a where to go and

[1:43:58] Voice 10: where not to go map so we're working on that right now but here's the bad news you did say jason was

[1:44:03] Voice 10: there he's been our dedicated resource he leaves today it's his last day he's going to the private

[1:44:07] Voice 10: world so we've been able able to secure a little bit of time of the policy planner that's coming

[1:44:13] Voice 10: in the senior policy planner to help us keep the momentum going and so to get us to the july 27th

[1:44:19] Voice 10: meeting and to get us to the september trust council where you'll get that information back

[1:44:23] Voice 10: But you're right, we're on dubious footing and we're chasing the target and secured.

[1:44:28] Voice 10: If you want to dedicate resources to having a baseline amount of information regarding the housing issue throughout the entire region,

[1:44:36] Voice 10: you will have to make that a priority for next trust council and we'll be bringing your business cases probably to support that.

[1:44:44] Voice 26: Thank you, Stefan. We have a further question from Joe Bernardo.

[1:44:48] Voice 26: It

[1:44:49] Voice 9: really is just an observation in response to Trustee Elliott's comment and exhortation that we do more to support planning and the director's lengthy and detailed agreement.

[1:45:07] Voice 9: I'd just like to observe that what that discussion is all about is actually that's what goes to the heart of corporate planning.

[1:45:15] Voice 9: that's what it that discussion was about a strategic choice and when we continue with

[1:45:22] Voice 9: our ongoing work to develop strategic thinking and strategic plan um i hope people will recognize

[1:45:30] Voice 9: that um the day-to-day work the meat and potatoes function the planning probably ought to be the

[1:45:40] Voice 9: the number one strategic objective which is to do that work which is spelled out in the act as well

[1:45:47] Voice 9: as we can and not sacrifice that work for other enthusiasms it go that's what the work is and as

[1:45:56] Voice 9: the ceo has pointed out at budget time you know that 90 of the money goes to just keeping the

[1:46:03] Voice 9: operation going on that meat and potatoes thing if i can mix metaphors so when we're thinking about

[1:46:09] Voice 9: strategy and strategic concepts, let's remember that the stuff that seems routine is probably

[1:46:16] Voice 9: the number one thing that we need to fund and make intelligent commitments to support.

[1:46:24] Voice 26: Thank you, Joe. Are there any other questions? Looking online and knowing that your coffee break

[1:46:32] Voice 26: is ahead of you. So I think we'll proceed. But before we go to a break, I want to mention two

[1:46:40] Voice 26: two things. I want to make sure that those of you that are not familiar with the Northern Office

[1:46:44] Voice 26: that we've been joined by the Northern Office team.

[1:46:48] Voice 26: Renee Jamarat is the Regional Planning Manager for the office

[1:46:52] Voice 26: and relatively new to the Islands Trust. And I had the pleasure of

[1:46:56] Voice 26: working with her on both Gabriola and Keith's Gambier

[1:47:00] Voice 26: Trust area. And it's a pleasure to work with you, Renee.

[1:47:04] Voice 26: So welcome to Trust Council. Do you want to introduce your other staff here?

[1:47:07] Voice 26: so

[1:47:08] Voice 15: her name is karen she's a co-op student can you speak

[1:47:13] Voice 16: up a bit

[1:47:13] Voice 15: karen is

[1:47:14] Voice 16: our co-op student

[1:47:15] Voice 16: in the summer so very good

[1:47:49] Voice 26: let's give him a warm welcome yeah and actually give yourselves a warm

[1:47:54] Voice 26: cheer as well because uh that's a co-op student you funded it in this year's budget and we're

[1:48:00] Voice 26: already seeing great work come out of that uh those skills those skills so thank you very much

[1:48:05] Voice 26: Council. So the final thing is, is Laurie has advised me that Brent Mueller might be able to

[1:48:10] Voice 26: join us earlier. And so let's come back at 3.15. Well, let's make it 3.20, seeing as I've gone

[1:48:17] Voice 26: over time now. Let's make it 3.20. We'll come back. And if Brent is with us, we'll start with

[1:48:22] Voice 26: his presentation. And we're a bit ahead of schedule. So we might even have the opportunity

[1:48:26] Voice 26: to linger in that moment with Brent, because we are about to get an incredible wealth of knowledge

[1:48:31] Voice 26: shared with us. So come on back 20 minutes after three. Thank you.

[1:50:19] Voice 16: So trustees,

[1:50:21] Voice 26: can I ask you to

[1:50:22] Voice 26: return to your seats? Our guests are here and we'll get started when you are in your seats.

[1:50:48] Voice 15: I mean, you've also

[1:50:50] Voice 16: got to call them up and point them out there to make a change.

[1:50:54] Voice 5: I'm

[1:50:55] Voice 16: getting

[1:50:56] Voice 5: married at the ball.

[1:50:59] Voice 5: There's a guy who's rented the community ball in Denver to get married this weekend,

[1:51:02] Voice 5: and he's contacting me now saying he needs

[1:51:05] Voice 5: help setting up sound events.

[1:51:08] Voice 16: Good luck with that.

[1:51:11] Voice 5: He's like, oh, my email's been triggered by a grab folder.

[1:51:14] Voice 5: If you're coming so much today, I'm going to file a

[1:51:16] Voice 5: file.

[1:51:17] Voice 15: Can't do anything about that.

[1:51:19] Voice 5: I mean, realistically, I'm going to draw a bunch of people out there.

[1:51:22] Voice 16: I'm

[1:51:22] Voice 5: asking if I could just show them all

[1:51:23] Voice 16: of a sudden.

[1:51:24] Voice 16: You know,

[1:51:24] Voice 5: that's not how it works, man.

[1:51:26] Voice 5: Oh, yeah.

[1:51:27] Voice 16: $20,000 sounds like you're going to thank me for that.

[1:51:34] Voice 16: Well, just, yeah, that's right.

[1:51:36] Voice 16: That's right.

[1:51:37] Voice 16: Okay,

[1:51:39] Voice 26: council, let's have your attention.

[1:51:46] Voice 26: So, thank you very much for coming back from the break.

[1:51:50] Voice 26: Apologies for the slight delay.

[1:51:54] Voice 26: I want to introduce Brent Mueller, Director of Governance Relations, Ministry of Municipal Affairs.

[1:52:03] Voice 26: I'll start again.

[1:52:07] Voice 26: So, good afternoon.

[1:52:08] Voice 26: Welcome, everybody.

[1:52:09] Voice 26: Hello.

[1:52:11] Voice 26: Hello.

[1:52:11] Voice 26: Hello. I want to introduce Brent Mueller, Director of Governance Relations, Ministry of Municipal Affairs, and also Lisa, oh, I'm sorry, Bopalasinghe, City of Nanaimo.

[1:52:27] Voice 26: And they're both here today to speak to us about reconcili-action.

[1:52:33] Voice 26: I think that's the first time I've actually seen that in print, but it's certainly, in terms of language,

[1:52:38] Voice 26: language. That's certainly the word that we've been using a lot of recently. I've met

[1:52:46] Voice 26: Brent many years ago now and really want to thank you, Brent, in person now and in public

[1:52:52] Voice 26: for all of the wisdom, knowledge, support and help, guidance that you have provided to me

[1:52:58] Voice 26: personally as chair of the Island Stress Council at various occasions. And I'm very grateful. And

[1:53:04] Voice 26: And, Council, you are in for a treat.

[1:53:06] Voice 26: This is a very knowledgeable man that has taken time out of his busy day to talk to us about First Nations reconciliation and governance.

[1:53:15] Voice 26: And, indeed, this is kind of a follow-up from the presentation that you did just recently at AVICC, if I'm not mistaken.

[1:53:23] Voice 24: That's correct, and thank you for your kind words, Chair Lundgren.

[1:53:25] Voice 26: And so I'll let you introduce yourself and then go ahead with your presentation.

[1:53:30] Voice 26: Sure.

[1:53:31] Voice 26: Sure.

[1:53:32] Voice 24: Actually, to be honest, I'm the warm-up act today.

[1:53:35] Voice 24: Lisa's going to talk about some work she's doing with the City of Nanaimo,

[1:53:38] Voice 24: just to make it a little bit more on the ground for you.

[1:53:42] Voice 24: Oh boy, who am I? I guess I'd colonially call myself a BC boy.

[1:53:47] Voice 24: I was born in North Vancouver. I've lived on the island. I've lived in the interior.

[1:53:53] Voice 24: I've been with the provincial government for many years now. I don't want to say how many.

[1:53:58] Voice 24: um i remember joining uh right out of undergraduate school and i was fortunate to work on something

[1:54:05] Voice 24: called the georgia basin initiative and one of my first memories of the islands trust was there

[1:54:10] Voice 24: was a conference that was organized i think with premier arcourt maybe parliamentary secretary

[1:54:16] Voice 24: joan suiki and it was a coming together of the islands trust and uh the um the washington side

[1:54:23] Voice 24: is that orcas island or san juans and the whole concept back then was to achieve real sustainability

[1:54:31] Voice 24: both economic and social we really need to work across need to think more regionally and

[1:54:39] Voice 24: and then over the years i've had the opportunity to work with the islands trust at various

[1:54:44] Voice 24: iterations and on bylaws and other kinds of things and i say this with all honesty you do amazing

[1:54:52] Voice 24: amazing work you have a very challenging task balancing not just your your mandate but also

[1:54:58] Voice 24: trying to help support communities build sustainable economies so people can also live

[1:55:03] Voice 24: here and enjoy the land and now you've got um well you have been working local governments I would

[1:55:09] Voice 24: say for for several decades now have been working on building relationships with First Nations but

[1:55:14] Voice 24: you've got you've got the reconciliation lens now and you have a number of Nations

[1:55:18] Voice 24: that cross over with your trust area jurisdiction.

[1:55:23] Voice 24: So I'll try to shed a little bit of light

[1:55:25] Voice 24: on where things are at with the province today.

[1:55:28] Voice 24: Much of this you may have already heard

[1:55:29] Voice 24: if you went to AVICC and really reconciliatory action.

[1:55:32] Voice 24: I stole that from the conference.

[1:55:34] Voice 24: That's not my terminology.

[1:55:36] Voice 24: So just to start off, that's a picture of,

[1:55:39] Voice 24: well, many of you would know that's the opening for UBCM.

[1:55:44] Voice 24: So we'll get to the more formal stuff now.

[1:55:47] Voice 24: Again, thank you for inviting me here today.

[1:55:50] Voice 24: to join you on the traditional territory of the Coast Salish People's Synodic First Nation.

[1:55:54] Voice 24: I love the islands. I love going to Galeano once a year.

[1:55:57] Voice 24: I can't actually remember if I've been to Gabriel before.

[1:56:00] Voice 24: I have a vivid memory as a child, elementary school in Nanaimo,

[1:56:04] Voice 24: maybe coming over on the ferry and playing around in the ocean.

[1:56:08] Voice 24: But it's just great to be here.

[1:56:10] Voice 24: And congratulations for, I guess it's not really newly elected,

[1:56:14] Voice 24: because that's back in November, but congratulations for you folks

[1:56:18] Voice 24: folks that are new around the table and and thanks for all the returning elected officials

[1:56:22] Voice 24: and of course thanks to staff as well so do i have control of the powerpoint or how lori

[1:56:31] Voice 24: oh i gotta tell you a story so last time i did this presentation with lisa i asked her

[1:56:36] Voice 24: so how did i do she said not bad but you gotta throw some pictures in you gotta make you gotta

[1:56:41] Voice 24: throw some pictures in bring it alive a little bit and this is um this is sam schooner he's a

[1:56:48] Voice 24: a new hawk chief up in Bella Coola, recently re-elected.

[1:56:54] Voice 24: So that's me and Sam at UBCM.

[1:56:58] Voice 24: So I always like to start these presentations off by giving a little bit of background

[1:57:02] Voice 24: on the ministry structure as a bit of a reminder.

[1:57:05] Voice 24: From there, we'll talk about what the province is up to, the ministry,

[1:57:09] Voice 24: and what sort of what were our expectations or the guidance we're providing local governments.

[1:57:14] Voice 24: We'll talk about some resources and partnerships.

[1:57:16] Voice 24: memberships, and then we'll have some Q&A, and then we'll get to the real show.

[1:57:20] Voice 24: Next slide, please. So we're a fairly

[1:57:25] Voice 24: lean but mean ministry. Minister Kang, Ann Kang is our new minister

[1:57:29] Voice 24: from a cabinet which she came over from, but she's

[1:57:33] Voice 24: been in cabinet before. A super nice person. She has

[1:57:37] Voice 24: some experience on Burnaby Council, so she understands the local world,

[1:57:41] Voice 24: which is great. Tara Faganella, who's my ADM,

[1:57:45] Voice 24: She's been with the ministry now in her role since around 2014,

[1:57:49] Voice 24: so we're so fortunate that we now have that corporate memory,

[1:57:53] Voice 24: and Tara's a great leader.

[1:57:55] Voice 24: Aside from corporate services, then we have Rachel Holmes is the other ADM.

[1:57:59] Voice 24: She has immigration services, gaming grants.

[1:58:02] Voice 24: She's also got a lot of background on reconciliation,

[1:58:05] Voice 24: so she's a good mentor inside the ministry.

[1:58:07] Voice 24: So I think that's all I'll say about that.

[1:58:18] Voice 24: I think whenever the province and local government folks get together,

[1:58:22] Voice 24: i think it's important to just reflect on these principles that we at the ministry try to uphold

[1:58:29] Voice 24: i know you may find it challenging working with other provincial agencies you may not feel that

[1:58:34] Voice 24: these principles are always at play but we do we do try to be guided by these principles when we

[1:58:41] Voice 24: do our work we always try to acknowledge local government as a level of government and work to

[1:58:45] Voice 24: respect local jurisdiction it's not always easy balancing local versus provincial having worked

[1:58:52] Voice 24: with your staff on your bylaws you feel that you feel that with agencies whether it's environmental

[1:58:58] Voice 24: issues agricultural issues conservation economic development and let's face it you know whether

[1:59:06] Voice 24: it's the agricultural land reserve or today housing there's sometimes there's a bit of

[1:59:09] Voice 24: tension there but notwithstanding that if we are guided by these principles even if we have tough

[1:59:15] Voice 24: conversations hopefully we can have respectful conversations next slide please again this is

[1:59:23] Voice 24: just more general background on indigenous peoples in british columbia what i like to highlight is

[1:59:29] Voice 24: what i think is a blessing in the sense that with 600 first nation governments across british

[1:59:35] Voice 24: columbia or across canada representing languages and cultures we have got 200 here so we're really

[1:59:41] Voice 24: blessed with a lot of diversity and you folks live that every day because of the number of nations

[1:59:46] Voice 24: that have traditional territories in the trust area that's all i wanted to say on that so what

[1:59:57] Voice 24: What I wanted to talk a little bit about

[2:00:00] Voice 24: the way that i kind of try to frame things i wanted to open up what goes on inside the ministry

[2:00:05] Voice 24: a little bit in relation to i mean the two main drivers we've got the articles of the

[2:00:10] Voice 24: u.n declaration but we've also got the truth reconciliation commission called action amongst

[2:00:16] Voice 24: some other policy drivers and really 57 in under trc is important because it emphasizes the need

[2:00:22] Voice 24: for public servants to learn to understand the history and to make sure that we're properly

[2:00:29] Voice 24: schooled on things like human rights and understanding our history so i'll talk a

[2:00:35] Voice 24: little bit about that and then i'll talk obviously about the work we do with externally externally

[2:00:40] Voice 24: facing with local governments in terms of encouraging uh relationship building and

[2:00:45] Voice 24: working on reconciliation so next slide please so as i mentioned the critical part of reconciliation

[2:00:58] Voice 24: is the education of all public servants on the history of Indigenous peoples,

[2:01:02] Voice 24: including the history and legacy of things like residential schools.

[2:01:06] Voice 24: I had the privilege of being up in Heiltsuk territory last year.

[2:01:11] Voice 24: We were doing some work with Heiltsuk, Newhawk,

[2:01:14] Voice 24: and local governments and the premier around Ocean Falls.

[2:01:18] Voice 24: This is, if you haven't been there, this is, they have a beautiful longhouse.

[2:01:22] Voice 24: And up tucked in behind, they have their council chamber.

[2:01:25] Voice 24: And I was fortunate enough to be there to be witness to the conversation between the council and hereditary chiefs and the premier about places like Damu, where there's, you would understand this given your mandate, places where there was industrial activity and we've never properly gone back and cleaned them up.

[2:01:44] Voice 24: this is a wall panel that struck me just because of the dates just the reminder of the history and

[2:01:52] Voice 24: just it's quite beautiful so i kind of again with lisa's guidance i'd throw a picture in

[2:02:01] Voice 24: so yeah i love that picture so inside the ministry we're on a journey we have a committee

[2:02:07] Voice 24: we report to executive we have uh this is again talking about building staff capacity

[2:02:12] Voice 24: We've got a learning calendar, reading collection.

[2:02:15] Voice 24: We're also shifting into a new, for those of you that are kind of HR-focused,

[2:02:20] Voice 24: where our performance, and I'm not sure if this impacts IELTS Trust directly, actually,

[2:02:25] Voice 24: but our whole performance system is going to be adapted.

[2:02:29] Voice 24: And as part of that, we're going to have to, at an individual staff level,

[2:02:34] Voice 24: all have at least one or two goals around learning and reconciliation.

[2:02:39] Voice 24: So the ministry-wide committee, I help co-chair,

[2:02:42] Voice 24: we promote and coordinate events so there's training opportunities for staff we have an

[2:02:48] Voice 24: annual and we get a budget uh we're supported at the highest level from the deputy minister in the

[2:02:53] Voice 24: edm so they've never asked any questions this came out of the work around the 10 principles and

[2:02:58] Voice 24: we've been around for about three years we have an annual learning calendar to make sure we observe

[2:03:03] Voice 24: and celebrate all the important events red red dress day moose hide campaign national indigenous

[2:03:08] Voice 24: Indigenous Peoples Day, National Day for Truth and Reconciliation,

[2:03:12] Voice 24: through available courses and speaker events.

[2:03:15] Voice 24: And we're fortunate in our ministry.

[2:03:18] Voice 24: We have, over the years, had a library that still exists, actual hard,

[2:03:22] Voice 24: yes, I know, hard books, real books.

[2:03:25] Voice 24: And so we've included Indigenous reading component to that.

[2:03:30] Voice 24: So staff in the building can access reading,

[2:03:33] Voice 24: and we can also, for staff in Vancouver,

[2:03:35] Voice 24: we can also make reading available.

[2:03:38] Voice 24: So, I guess, showing you a little bit of what we're doing internally, I guess the message to you folks as leaders is to think about and consider how you yourself are on your learning journey and the support you can provide to staff for staff learning.

[2:03:56] Voice 32: Okay, next slide, please.

[2:04:00] Voice 24: So, you've probably heard that the province has, some call it DRIPA, I like to call it the Declaration Act.

[2:04:07] Voice 24: In fact, the Declaration Act includes components, including an action plan, which really reflects, at the highest levels of the provincial government and First Nations leadership, priority actions to work on.

[2:04:21] Voice 24: Not that that's encompassing all the things we're doing around reconciliation, but really some of the key components.

[2:04:36] Voice 24: So as part of that, as well, we have to think about alignment of laws.

[2:04:42] Voice 24: So eventually, over time, the Local Government Act and Community Charter are going to have to be compliant with DRIPLA and with reconciliation.

[2:04:50] Voice 24: That's going to take time. It's going to have to be done in partnership, which includes working with UBCM and local government, also working with First Nations.

[2:04:59] Voice 24: But the two things that we've identified that will likely, could lead to, likely with the first one, will lead to legislative change is what we're calling inclusive regional governance.

[2:05:08] Voice 24: you

[2:05:08] Voice 1: may

[2:05:09] Voice 24: know that provincial legislation currently enables treaty first nations through a section of

[2:05:17] Voice 24: the act and through the provisions of treaty to set at the regional district board table so that

[2:05:21] Voice 24: today includes uh talaman or sorry talaman actually haven't chosen the set of the board table

[2:05:26] Voice 24: just yet but includes tawasin and now news first nations and most recently kayuka check and stuff

[2:05:33] Voice 24: as part of the mail news joined the strathcona regional district board i think just a year or

[2:05:37] Voice 24: So before COVID, we were part of that transitional process.

[2:05:42] Voice 24: And I think the next treaty is Comox Kitsilis Kitsikalem will be the next to come along.

[2:05:51] Voice 24: And so that creates a provision for them to join the Regional District Board and become part of the local government system.

[2:05:58] Voice 24: Over the years, the rub has been, well, what about other First Nations?

[2:06:01] Voice 24: And what about First Nations that are going to pursue treaty?

[2:06:04] Voice 24: How do we deal with that?

[2:06:05] Voice 24: We've got the West Bank First Nation and Central Okanagan that have a treaty with Canada.

[2:06:10] Voice 24: They don't have a treaty with the province of British Columbia.

[2:06:12] Voice 24: They're very much in the mode of working towards self-government, taxation, zoning, all that kind of stuff.

[2:06:18] Voice 24: So we determined that now is the time to take a closer look at this and to see how we might go about having other First Nations have the opportunity to sit at the regional board table.

[2:06:30] Voice 24: table. In Albany-Clayquot, they feel that palpably because they realize with the treaty

[2:06:37] Voice 24: First Nations how much the relationship has improved and it's a very weird dichotomy for

[2:06:42] Voice 24: some of the First Nation neighbors also not to be at the board table. In the Central Coast

[2:06:48] Voice 24: Regional District, I mentioned earlier the Heiltsuk. I believe the Heiltsuk, the electoral

[2:06:55] Voice 24: area for the Regional District is almost coterminous with what the Heiltsuk would call their traditional

[2:07:00] Voice 24: or the core of their traditional territory.

[2:07:02] Voice 24: And yet for the individual representatives,

[2:07:04] Voice 24: that individual's a whole First Nation person,

[2:07:07] Voice 24: sitting at the board table

[2:07:08] Voice 24: and not being a direct representative of the nation,

[2:07:11] Voice 24: it's just awkward.

[2:07:13] Voice 24: So they've also asked to investigate

[2:07:15] Voice 24: the Capital Regional District as well

[2:07:17] Voice 24: with the Tumuk First Nations,

[2:07:19] Voice 24: even though they are on the road with treaty

[2:07:21] Voice 24: and will probably get a seat at the board table

[2:07:23] Voice 24: through that process.

[2:07:24] Voice 24: They've also been quite interested.

[2:07:27] Voice 24: So we're on this journey.

[2:07:30] Voice 24: i think it was lisa that once told me that reconciliation is easier not doing it right

[2:07:34] Voice 24: this has been a bit of a head scratcher for us because we've kind of learned within the

[2:07:39] Voice 24: last six months that i need my tasty beverage excuse

[2:07:46] Voice 16: me just for a minute it's easy for us to

[2:07:54] Voice 24: understand explain describe how the low carbon system works

[2:07:57] Voice 24: mine large island stress is a bit different because you're planning conservation you don't

[2:08:02] Voice 24: the service side of it but we kind of operate by the same rules and it's easy to explain and

[2:08:07] Voice 24: understand so we're trying to do we need to do the same for first nations and what we've kind

[2:08:12] Voice 24: of figured out is every first nation has its own pathway its own story and how it deals with things

[2:08:18] Voice 24: like who how would they elect the board member uh what geography would they represent which services

[2:08:24] Voice 24: might they might they participate in so um to try to start to figure this out we've got five years

[2:08:30] Voice 24: by the way on this one goal we've got about five years to work on it i'm not following my notes but

[2:08:36] Voice 24: i don't think that matters um so we just recently with some year in money we've provided some grants

[2:08:42] Voice 24: to the regional districts so they can engage directly with the first nations and come back

[2:08:47] Voice 24: to us and say you know this is how it might work in this region and then somehow another world try

[2:08:52] Voice 24: to figure that all out and put it together you might ask why regional districts not municipalities

[2:09:01] Voice 24: Municipalities, per se, although the question around municipalities comes up as well.

[2:09:05] Voice 24: You probably have questions about the trust as well.

[2:09:08] Voice 24: I think the chiefs that I've talked to, other First Nation leaders I've talked to over the years,

[2:09:14] Voice 24: the thing about regional districts is there's an opportunity to participate in the delivery of services,

[2:09:20] Voice 24: not to be a client of the service, but to actually be at the table governing the service.

[2:09:25] Voice 24: And also, they get quite excited about growth strategies and the mandates.

[2:09:31] Voice 24: like your mandate, right?

[2:09:32] Voice 24: There's an alignment there.

[2:09:33] Voice 24: There's this interest, a shared sustainability interest.

[2:09:36] Voice 24: So we'll see about municipalities, but for now,

[2:09:39] Voice 24: we're hoping that we can figure out regional districts

[2:09:41] Voice 24: and open up the governance a bit.

[2:09:46] Voice 24: The next one is all in relation to naming.

[2:09:53] Voice 24: I just want to read something from the Declaration Act.

[2:09:56] Voice 24: Article 13.

[2:09:58] Voice 24: Indigenous peoples have the right to revitalize, use, develop,

[2:10:01] Voice 24: and transmit to future generations their histories, languages,

[2:10:04] Voice 24: languages, oral traditions, philosophies, writing systems, literatures, and to designate

[2:10:09] Voice 24: and retain their own names for communities, places, and persons.

[2:10:14] Voice 24: So the village of Queen Charlotte, they were discussing in the midst of all the work on

[2:10:24] Voice 24: the action plan there, in the midst of discussing the name change with the Haida, you've probably

[2:10:28] Voice 24: heard that we've already changed the name of the Powell River Regional District a few

[2:10:31] Voice 24: years ago to Kawatha and Powell River City has been exploring that with Talaman. And we wanted

[2:10:39] Voice 24: to do some work on how we advise on that process in the future going forward to really emphasize

[2:10:45] Voice 24: two main principles, collaborate and engage the community. And so we've given ourselves a three

[2:10:55] Voice 24: year timeline to work on this. It's not about suddenly going out and pointing at municipalities

[2:11:00] Voice 24: municipalities and saying you you are on this journey now go change your name it's more about

[2:11:04] Voice 24: being ready to advise communities when they come forward and our work i won't say i don't want to

[2:11:10] Voice 24: use the word stalled but i just said it um power rivers the work that he'd done previous to the

[2:11:17] Voice 24: last election that's it they're not moving forward at the moment so we're really just

[2:11:21] Voice 24: kind of looking at what we've learned from we did we did push forward last year with uh

[2:11:27] Voice 24: um so cabinet did make that decision to change the change the name of queen charlotte the village of

[2:11:35] Voice 24: queen charlotte and that was very much driven by the mayor um actually i'm getting into the stories

[2:11:41] Voice 24: here maybe you should move to the next slide ah yeah i've already talked to this slide um

[2:11:48] Voice 24: go back yeah so just inclusive regional governance um i think i've talked mostly about this so i

[2:11:56] Voice 24: I mentioned the BC First Nation Summit.

[2:11:59] Voice 24: Just to give you a little bit more of what's happening inside ministry and government,

[2:12:02] Voice 24: we really need to up our game in terms of engaging with First Nation organizations.

[2:12:08] Voice 24: You'll probably recognize that we have a long history of working with EBCM, LGMA, Civic Info.

[2:12:16] Voice 24: We really have to start building better inroads into working with the First Nation leadership organization.

[2:12:21] Voice 24: So I'm happy to say I've got a great relationship with Colin Breaker at the First Nation Summit.

[2:12:26] Voice 24: He's one of my go-to fellows for getting advice and helped me expand my network.

[2:12:32] Voice 24: He's been involved for 20 years now with the C2C program, so definitely getting advice from him.

[2:12:38] Voice 24: What I love about this picture is you can probably see you've got Emily Rice, Chief Schooner, trying to remember, I can't remember the names of the other folks beside the Premier, but they're there with, so Sam's New Hawk, they're healthy.

[2:12:57] Voice 24: Premier Horgan, who kind of had a, this is in Ocean Falls, by the way, a different project, but I like the picture.

[2:13:05] Voice 24: Premier Horgan, who had lived up there and worked up there.

[2:13:09] Voice 24: Electoral Area Director, who unfortunately didn't get re-elected in the last go around.

[2:13:14] Voice 24: And then we've actually got the Improvement District, which is kind of cool.

[2:13:18] Voice 24: So I think it kind of recognizes the theme of this, which is let's bring, get more parties to the table governing regional matters.

[2:13:27] Voice 24: So let's go back to, or forward to renaming.

[2:13:30] Voice 24: so these are just some pictures from um how to how to go i last year that's myself lisa's on on

[2:13:41] Voice 24: see i'm how does this work yeah i always get mixed up i think i'm stage right lisa's stage left

[2:13:48] Voice 24: and courtney's the cl right in the middle courtney was a huge huge major drive behind this so yeah

[2:13:55] Voice 24: Yeah, we changed the village name back to Dajangidz, which that particular village site, I think that means hat or common hat.

[2:14:05] Voice 24: I can't remember.

[2:14:06] Voice 24: So just moving through the pictures.

[2:14:09] Voice 24: This is really cool to watch.

[2:14:12] Voice 24: The RCMP and the Haida built a fire, and then they did a food offering to the ancestors as part of the celebration.

[2:14:21] Voice 24: and I kid you not it was kind of a cloudy day for the next couple of days it was bright

[2:14:29] Voice 24: cleary blue skies brilliant blue skies and all the talk on the island was because we had because

[2:14:35] Voice 24: there had been that tribute to the elders the elders had had blewed up the sky um bottom left

[2:14:42] Voice 24: hand corner that was the kind of the community celebration and it was full standing room only

[2:14:49] Voice 24: uh folks from all ages there was ice cream outside so the kids running around eating ice cream

[2:14:55] Voice 24: everybody was there um move was really interesting as because i had knowledge of knowing that there

[2:15:01] Voice 24: were some of the community that weren't entirely comfortable with the name change uh we heard

[2:15:06] Voice 24: afterwards when we were debriefing there was a sense of racism in the community

[2:15:10] Voice 24: nonetheless uh that's everybody came out and then of course the picture what's funny about that

[2:15:17] Voice 24: picture is so i don't know if you know i'm trying to remember the mayor's name but he's he's got the

[2:15:21] Voice 24: eye patch um there's a famous picture of him in the media where he's taking down the current

[2:15:28] Voice 24: village sign technically that's vandalism you shouldn't do that um so the province thought

[2:15:33] Voice 24: it'd be kind of cute to come up and give them a new a new road sign so that's what we did okay

[2:15:40] Voice 24: next slide okay losing track here so this is uh i work closely with diana porter um she's awesome

[2:15:54] Voice 24: She's our senior program analyst.

[2:15:55] Voice 24: This is her speaking at UBCM last year.

[2:15:59] Voice 24: I think the foundational element of this for you,

[2:16:04] Voice 24: I talked a little bit about what we're doing in the ministry

[2:16:07] Voice 24: around inclusive regional governance and renaming

[2:16:10] Voice 24: and want to bring it back to sort of what's your role.

[2:16:12] Voice 24: It's still about relationship building.

[2:16:16] Voice 24: It's still a key part of your work and our guidance

[2:16:22] Voice 24: in encouraging the work towards reconciliation.

[2:16:24] Voice 24: reconciliation. It's still a valuable form for exploring opportunities for cooperation and

[2:16:29] Voice 24: collaboration, developing those neighbor-to-neighbor relationships. And you can use the articles of the

[2:16:41] Voice 24: UN Declaration and the TRC's Calls to Action as a policy lens to get deeper into your work.

[2:16:47] Voice 24: Next slide. So we kind of threw this in. Diana came up with this. I'm not going to take any

[2:16:55] Voice 24: credit for it whatsoever. It's her big brain, not mine. Just to kind of give you a graphic.

[2:17:00] Voice 24: and I've looked at your website and I've worked with you folks over the years I know that you're

[2:17:04] Voice 24: doing a lot of this but for other local governments we kind of throw this up there just to

[2:17:09] Voice 24: give you a sense of you know where to start learning and awareness obviously building

[2:17:14] Voice 24: capacity understanding the history and working with local First Nations to understand it from

[2:17:21] Voice 24: a regional context is important getting political direction which which you've done working on your

[2:17:27] Voice 24: organizational culture um and then reviewing your your programs your bylaws with the policy lens

[2:17:33] Voice 24: that i just mentioned but yeah i just want to actually pause this for a minute just to

[2:17:39] Voice 24: acknowledge that you know you're doing a lot of hard work already um i think that when we're

[2:17:45] Voice 24: faced with a file like this reconciliation we you know it's often you feel like well there's

[2:17:50] Voice 24: more to do further to go it's moments like that you gotta take just pause recognize what you've

[2:17:58] Voice 24: already done that i think the reflecting back on the accomplishments gives us hope for the future

[2:18:03] Voice 24: and we need that hope to give us energy so i want to just acknowledge that the island's trust has

[2:18:11] Voice 24: acknowledged traditional territory you've stated publicly you're committed to respectful long-term

[2:18:17] Voice 24: healing relationships you're working to help protect this special area so first nations can

[2:18:22] Voice 24: continue to engage with it as they have traditionally and you've developed your plans

[2:18:26] Voice 24: and your actions and and you're working hard um going back to my last point about we've been on

[2:18:33] Voice 24: this journey for a while the c2c program which we'll talk about in a minute it's been first

[2:18:38] Voice 24: established in 1999 the treaty commission i think was 19 1992 after the socratic government

[2:18:47] Voice 24: before harcourt had had a had had a i think a treaty or a task force that recommended

[2:18:54] Voice 24: met a treaty process. So we've been on this journey for a while and we're going to continue.

[2:19:02] Voice 24: Next slide. Getting to the end here so the real show can start, just a few supports. I do like

[2:19:09] Voice 24: to remind folks we've got the MOU. It acknowledges the role of UBCM and all local governments in

[2:19:16] Voice 24: working towards reconciliation at the local level. What it also does though, it also commits the

[2:19:23] Voice 24: province to engaging with local governments on treaties and other agreements where your interests

[2:19:27] Voice 24: are directly impacted.

[2:19:31] Voice 24: And there's a struggle there.

[2:19:33] Voice 24: I'll be honest about that.

[2:19:35] Voice 24: When the province is bilaterally working with First Nations,

[2:19:38] Voice 24: how to fit local governments in.

[2:19:40] Voice 24: Some places, the local governments and the First Nations

[2:19:43] Voice 24: have a great relationship, so it's really not an obstacle.

[2:19:46] Voice 24: In other places, that provincial First Nations relationship

[2:19:49] Voice 24: is still growing, and the local government-First Nations

[2:19:51] Voice 24: relationship is still growing.

[2:19:52] Voice 24: So it's tricky how we do this kind of work.

[2:19:55] Voice 24: If you find yourself in a situation where you're like,

[2:20:01] Voice 24: I don't know what the province is up to, I think we need to know a little bit more,

[2:20:06] Voice 24: I'm going to ask Russ to call Brent, and then we can start to get a deeper dialogue.

[2:20:13] Voice 24: The library, if you haven't checked that out, when I first joined the ministry in this role,

[2:20:19] Voice 24: I kind of asked, well, where are things at with relationships generally? And the answer I kind

[2:20:24] Voice 24: of got was well that's not really for us to know it's we provide local guidance they go build the

[2:20:29] Voice 24: relationships they work at it work at an independent level and that just didn't sit right for me with

[2:20:35] Voice 24: me so i remember having a coffee it might have been a beer i can't remember um with todd from

[2:20:40] Voice 24: civic info and i said this is a business you folks are in like is can we do something and of course

[2:20:47] Voice 24: i don't want to pay you todd can we do it for free and todd so todd was like well let's we came up

[2:20:52] Voice 24: this idea of a database to as a place for folks to go to tell their big picture story about

[2:20:59] Voice 24: their relationship success and i'm happy to say it's like up to over probably close to 400

[2:21:05] Voice 24: different examples now and it's searchable so the idea is if you're a local government or a

[2:21:10] Voice 24: researcher for that matter and you want to go and find pull out some real examples of relationship

[2:21:14] Voice 24: building um we've got the database so please go and check it out provide us with advice and

[2:21:23] Voice 24: And if your stories aren't in there about the work you're doing,

[2:21:26] Voice 24: then let's load it up.

[2:21:31] Voice 24: C to C, reconciliation, for a while now,

[2:21:36] Voice 24: reconciliation activities and events have been in scope.

[2:21:39] Voice 24: We now fully fund projects, in case you were not aware of that.

[2:21:44] Voice 24: We know resources are tight at low government levels,

[2:21:46] Voice 24: so please think about how you can use the program.

[2:21:49] Voice 24: Staff can also, as long as they're supported by elected official staff,

[2:21:53] Voice 24: can also access the program.

[2:21:55] Voice 24: So, Russ, if you want to get together with your staff, with CAOs from other First Nations, you can do that.

[2:22:04] Voice 24: We know that resources are tight, so we've put some more money in.

[2:22:08] Voice 24: Hopefully, the feds will follow.

[2:22:10] Voice 24: So, the per event maximum now is $10,000.

[2:22:13] Voice 24: We've doubled it from $5,000, and we've added an additional $10,000.

[2:22:17] Voice 24: So, if it's a protocol or bylaw or there's an actual specific product and you need a little bit more resources, there's a bit more horsepower there.

[2:22:25] Voice 24: I know that I know it's not enough but it is a little bit more um let's see

[2:22:34] Voice 24: here next slide resources I think I think I can probably provide my

[2:22:42] Voice 24: presentation electronically and hopefully these links will all work so

[2:22:46] Voice 24: there's lots of resources out there next slide oh boy now you know how to get a

[2:22:55] Voice 24: a hold of me and Diana and next slide that's on Haida Gwaii it was a road leading off into the

[2:23:06] Voice 24: forest and Lisa and I only had a chance to go

[2:23:08] Voice 7: through

[2:23:09] Voice 24: it probably an old probably probably

[2:23:12] Voice 24: an old logging road we only had an opportunity to go a little bit into it but it was amazing

[2:23:17] Voice 24: so I don't know if you want to do Q&A's now or if you want to get to the real show and then

[2:23:22] Voice 24: And talk to both me and Lisa, whatever you'd like.

[2:23:28] Voice 26: How about we do some Q&A with you now and then move on to the real show, so to speak.

[2:23:34] Voice 26: But then you'll be off the hook, so it'll be all good.

[2:23:37] Voice 26: I'm

[2:23:37] Voice 24: here for dinner, so I know I'm not on.

[2:23:40] Voice 26: It

[2:23:40] Voice 24: might get off the hook later.

[2:23:41] Voice 24: We'll see.

[2:23:42] Voice 24: All right.

[2:23:43] Voice 26: Sure.

[2:23:44] Voice 26: Well,

[2:23:44] Voice 24: thank you for everything so far.

[2:23:46] Voice 26: So, trustees, at your pleasure, indeed.

[2:23:49] Voice 26: Is there any questions you have?

[2:23:50] Voice 26: So Kate-Louise Stamford.

[2:23:54] Voice 15: Thanks for your

[2:23:55] Voice 16: presentation.

[2:24:05] Voice 20: I have two questions.

[2:24:07] Voice 20: One is, could you just briefly describe the difference in relationship with independent

[2:24:16] Voice 20: or self-governing nations, such as the Schultz, and also go a little bit more into the naming

[2:24:25] Voice 20: naming scenarios because different ministries are responsible for working with naming

[2:24:30] Voice 20: and how we can encourage communication prior to the actual change.

[2:24:37] Voice 20: Also, I'm thinking specifically around Ministry of Transportation and road signs

[2:24:42] Voice 20: and how naming, if it's not done with a certain amount of sensitivity to the current communities,

[2:24:49] Voice 20: they can be more resentful than necessary.

[2:24:52] Voice 20: and how do we support a strategy to pave the way?

[2:25:01] Voice 24: Awesome questions.

[2:25:03] Voice 24: I don't know the answer to the first one to be cheeky and provocative

[2:25:08] Voice 24: because what we found is talking to the federal government,

[2:25:13] Voice 24: talking to our colleagues at MER,

[2:25:14] Voice 24: trying to get that general description of what is First Nations governance,

[2:25:20] Voice 24: how does it align with regional districts, it's challenging.

[2:25:23] Voice 24: challenging um so we can probably come back to you on that we're we're trying to learn as we go

[2:25:30] Voice 24: and the kind of things that we're looking at is um how does how does a council make decisions

[2:25:35] Voice 24: what's the role of as a council is uh i'll just maybe just a stream of consciousness what comes

[2:25:41] Voice 24: to mind it may not be all sort of tucked together and pretty and lisa can lisa can fill in some

[2:25:47] Voice 24: blanks but like uh a band council typically would be governed under the indian act um so

[2:25:53] Voice 24: So they would operate in that environment, but then there's also the hereditary leadership

[2:25:58] Voice 24: and in connection with the hereditary leadership in that sense.

[2:26:05] Voice 24: There are lots of different federal initiatives and federal legislation to enable First Nations

[2:26:10] Voice 24: to do things like taxing, set up zoning.

[2:26:18] Voice 24: I guess the one big difference between First Nations and when I say First Nations,

[2:26:22] Voice 24: I mean the bands, which is separate from what you might call sort of indigenous groups or Métis or Inuit.

[2:26:32] Voice 24: So the big difference between local government and First Nations is they provide services that for local governments typically are provincial.

[2:26:40] Voice 24: So policing, school, health care, they will often, the model I've seen for community planning, you've got OCPs, it's only bylaws, they have what's called a community sustainability plan,

[2:26:51] Voice 24: which one sliver of which would be land use planning but then the other components crime

[2:26:56] Voice 24: justice so there's quite i think every i find that when i go to different first nation communities

[2:27:03] Voice 24: it's they're all at different stages they might be using the tree as the pathway to

[2:27:09] Voice 24: clarify title because they're going to get treaty settlement land so their geography will be sorted

[2:27:13] Voice 24: out but the treaty will also deal with all kinds of different things access to resources governance

[2:27:20] Voice 24: intergovernance, intergovernmental relations.

[2:27:23] Voice 24: Hellsick are a non-treaty First Nation,

[2:27:25] Voice 24: but when you go to Bella Bella,

[2:27:28] Voice 24: you're, I think, primarily on their reserve land.

[2:27:31] Voice 24: So it's a First Nation community, if I can call it that.

[2:27:35] Voice 24: And they're doing, they've got a fairly robust government,

[2:27:38] Voice 24: robust government.

[2:27:39] Voice 24: They've got lots of different initiatives,

[2:27:41] Voice 24: access to forestry, fishing.

[2:27:44] Voice 24: Along the coast of British Columbia,

[2:27:46] Voice 24: the Great Bear Rainforest,

[2:27:47] Voice 24: there's going to be a huge conservation push.

[2:27:50] Voice 24: going to see around salmon and salmon enhancement and they're going to be directly involved in that

[2:27:54] Voice 24: so i don't have a great answer to your question other than to say you need to kind of build those

[2:28:01] Voice 24: relationships with the first nations in your area and find out from them their protocols how they

[2:28:06] Voice 24: govern themselves what services they provide do you have a follow-up question to that oops sorry

[2:28:14] Voice 20: so sorry it was mainly in that they are they have municipality status and that they sit

[2:28:20] Voice 20: at the regional district as a municipality which is unusual it's a different way of engaging

[2:28:26] Voice 20: with regional districts that's all i was speaking to was specific to sechelt nation

[2:28:32] Voice 20: oh

[2:28:33] Voice 24: see okay sorry i missed the question entirely so seashell is uh different because there was

[2:28:41] Voice 24: legislation passed in 1989 i think in both ottawa and here in british columbia to give them

[2:28:48] Voice 24: self-government and have give them a seat at the board table um i'd have to go back and provide

[2:28:53] Voice 24: some follow-up information but yeah they're they're that's a completely different unique

[2:28:58] Voice 24: situation on the naming thing i did i did kind of gloss over the other work we're doing which

[2:29:04] Voice 24: is trying to find out what other provincial agencies are up to and how they how they're

[2:29:08] Voice 24: dealing with renaming and it's come up a couple of times uh where the communities felt like they've

[2:29:14] Voice 24: been out of the loop you're driving down the road and signs changed and you're the community

[2:29:18] Voice 24: leaders you're going to hear about it from people right away good good bad and the ugly so i do

[2:29:24] Voice 24: agree with you if there's a communication issue there i think i should talk to russ and

[2:29:28] Voice 24: make sure there's stronger connections and a better better um landing strip for those kinds

[2:29:35] Voice 24: of decisions and implementing those kinds of decisions so i i take your point thank you for

[2:29:45] Voice 16: that. Laura Patrick.

[2:29:49] Voice 25: Thank you

[2:29:51] Voice 11: very much for your presentation.

[2:29:53] Voice 11: My question is going to be more of a plea that I would beg upon municipal affairs to

[2:30:01] Voice 11: lobby hard for an action within the DRIPA action plan to help support the Islands Trust.

[2:30:07] Voice 11: As a decision maker today in such a complex world of everything's happening so quickly,

[2:30:15] Voice 11: everything's a crisis, no housing, climate change. It's a difficult decision making

[2:30:22] Voice 11: decision-making situation as is and then as a decision-maker letters from nations land in our

[2:30:30] Voice 11: laps with words like nothing less than shared decision-making and nothing less than joint

[2:30:36] Voice 11: planning and absolutely support and wish we could be here right now but it that's a that's part of

[2:30:45] Voice 11: the journey. But it frustrates the decision because in a community of 12,000 people,

[2:30:53] Voice 11: everything's misunderstood and we're in a very complex place right now. So I'm just begging

[2:30:58] Voice 11: that I think we need some special attention or action to help us move through this journey

[2:31:05] Voice 11: so that at least this is not a speed bump that we can move on to the next phase.

[2:31:09] Voice 11: phase.

[2:31:13] Voice 24: That's a very important comment. Thank you for saying that. I'll be frank. I talked about

[2:31:20] Voice 24: alignment of laws earlier. We're working on the two action items I mentioned. We don't know how

[2:31:25] Voice 24: the world's going to evolve. We have some internal work to do provincially, probably some internal

[2:31:30] Voice 24: work to do at the leadership level between the province and First Nations leadership and UBCM.

[2:31:36] Voice 24: But you're not the only local government hearing about things like consent,

[2:31:41] Voice 24: accommodation how are we part of the decision making um and we have a local government system

[2:31:47] Voice 24: you know we talk about things like uh federing council's discretion or how the public hearing

[2:31:54] Voice 24: process goes and how open or closed meetings are handled and we're hearing a lot from first

[2:32:01] Voice 24: nations that from their perspective that's a colonial system and we need to evolve it

[2:32:06] Voice 24: But those systems were developed for certain ways to address other principles.

[2:32:11] Voice 24: So it's tricky.

[2:32:12] Voice 24: I will take the message back for sure, loud and clear.

[2:32:15] Voice 24: I don't have an answer today.

[2:32:18] Voice 24: Lisa might just have a bigger brain than I do.

[2:32:24] Voice 24: Thank you, Brent.

[2:32:25] Voice 26: That might be a good segue to Lisa.

[2:32:27] Voice 26: I don't see any other hands up for burning questions for you.

[2:32:31] Voice 26: So perhaps we might come back to you, though.

[2:32:33] Voice 26: And certainly, thank you for joining us for dinner.

[2:32:35] Voice 26: and there'll be no doubt uh people that'll want to catch you thank you chair so uh thank you sir

[2:32:41] Voice 26: thanks for your

[2:32:42] Voice 26: attention lisa uh i i i'm gonna ask you to pronounce your last name so i don't

[2:32:47] Voice 26: make a mess of the second time and uh lisa please introduce yourself and welcome down as trust

[2:32:52] Voice 26: council okay

[2:32:53] Voice 23: thank you very much so what i'm going to do today before i introduce myself uh is lead

[2:33:00] Voice 23: you through some work we're doing at the City of Nanaimo with staff and an elder from the

[2:33:05] Voice 23: Naimo First Nation. So I'm going to introduce myself and help Kameenam and translate into

[2:33:10] Voice 23: English. So aitskweil, good day everyone. Aasiyamnat siyayat, all my respected friends.

[2:33:18] Voice 23: Anthapat Lisa Bhopal Singh. Anthamana'at, Horace Bhopal Singh and Evelyn Elworthy. I'm the child

[2:33:27] Voice 23: the chorus vocal saying in Eveline Elworthy.

[2:33:32] Voice 23: Taniisa, Trinidad and Tobago.

[2:33:34] Voice 23: I'm from Trinidad and Tobago.

[2:33:37] Voice 23: Yowain in Nustia, Siatala.

[2:33:40] Voice 23: First, I would like to thanks the Nemo Mustimuk,

[2:33:43] Voice 23: the Senemo people.

[2:33:46] Voice 23: Nihaquish, Atan, Tamuk, and Katanakweo,

[2:33:49] Voice 23: whose land we are using today.

[2:33:51] Voice 23: So that's part of us trying to follow an introduction.

[2:33:57] Voice 23: It can be done in English or Ho'oponopono when speaking with our colleagues in a formal

[2:34:03] Voice 23: setting.

[2:34:04] Voice 23: So this would be appropriate.

[2:34:05] Voice 23: So last week, with some help from Elder Lawley, we created this brochure for staff for Lunch

[2:34:12] Voice 23: and Learn last Friday.

[2:34:13] Voice 23: I'm not going to actually give it to you because I think it's the permission of Lawley to actually

[2:34:18] Voice 23: share this with you directly and maybe one day she will come and she'll have a chance

[2:34:22] Voice 23: to do a formal welcome with you.

[2:34:24] Voice 23: So a little bit about me.

[2:34:26] Voice 23: I'm the Director of Community Development for the City of Nanaimo.

[2:34:29] Voice 23: I've been with the City of Nanaimo for approximately five years, starting in 2018.

[2:34:35] Voice 23: And my role has been that of leading long-range planning, so similar to some of your planning

[2:34:41] Voice 23: managers.

[2:34:42] Voice 23: And because of my experience that comes from actually working with Brent of the Province

[2:34:47] Voice 23: and other work directly with First Nations, I have been in the role of a liaison between

[2:34:53] Voice 23: the City of Nanaimo and the City of Nanaimo.

[2:34:55] Voice 23: So today, I'm going to lead you through a few things that I think as elected officials would be helpful for you to know.

[2:35:02] Voice 23: And I understand there were one or two of you who saw a presentation with myself and Marina White from Sdenemo,

[2:35:09] Voice 23: who may be requested that I join Brent. So thank you very much for that.

[2:35:14] Voice 23: So with that, if I could get the next slide, please. Sorry. And the next slide.

[2:35:21] Voice 23: So I've done my traditional acknowledgment to you and help, you know.

[2:35:24] Voice 23: So today I'm going to give you the reality check of my experience working for local governments.

[2:35:31] Voice 23: I work for the District of Lillooet. I've worked for the Regional District of Nanaimo.

[2:35:36] Voice 23: I've worked for the City of Nanaimo and some of the challenges over the last 20 years that I've seen for local governments,

[2:35:43] Voice 23: both elected officials and staff, as we work through a journey of reconciliation with our First Nations government partners.

[2:35:52] Voice 23: I'm going to talk about building on foundations, which I think Brent alluded to, that many of you already may have relationships, or your staff have, and how to build on that.

[2:36:02] Voice 23: And then I'm going to give you some examples that the City of Nanaimo has worked through, and it may resonate for you at the Islands Trust, and some examples of different work we've been doing.

[2:36:13] Voice 23: So with that, next slide, please.

[2:36:16] Voice 23: Okay, so the reality for local governments.

[2:36:19] Voice 23: So the Declaration Act that Brent told you about,

[2:36:24] Voice 23: DRIPA that it's called, it sets the stage for us.

[2:36:27] Voice 23: But as local governments, it's not clear.

[2:36:30] Voice 23: And even for the province, it's a journey of working things out.

[2:36:34] Voice 23: However, one thing I will say is DRIPA heads and UNDRIP,

[2:36:38] Voice 23: that this is founded on, has raised expectations for First Nations.

[2:36:42] Voice 23: their understanding and interpretation of what the Declaration Act does may be quite different

[2:36:49] Voice 23: of where the province is trying to figure things out and us at local government and so this leads

[2:36:55] Voice 23: us into a path where with different understandings we come and potentially come into conflict so

[2:37:02] Voice 23: the trustee in front of me here mentioned words like consent shared decision making and things

[2:37:09] Voice 23: for which local governments do not currently have the powers under local government act

[2:37:14] Voice 23: or the community charter to actually delegate those responsibilities so even if there was a

[2:37:22] Voice 23: desire we don't have the legal framework at this point from the government to do that

[2:37:27] Voice 23: so without raised expectation we're working in a really interesting context and anytime you're

[2:37:32] Voice 23: making decisions around land use that's where the rubber hits the road and it can get very contentious

[2:37:40] Voice 23: so this is what this slide is about here and the last thing we want to do at local government is

[2:37:46] Voice 23: end up in the courts to try and test where the interpretation lies that is not an ideal situation

[2:37:53] Voice 23: from a relationship base that's a terrible from from my perspective a lot of the work i do over

[2:38:00] Voice 23: the past few years is attempting to bridge and keep local governments out of court and at some

[2:38:06] Voice 23: points it's unavoidable my wish for the province is to help keep us out of court and to help

[2:38:13] Voice 23: establish the gray areas and provide certainty even if that certainty is unpalatable by ourselves

[2:38:21] Voice 23: or first nations but some pathway because it it it has implications implications that come down

[2:38:29] Voice 23: to our daily lives and our relationships between our first nations community members and ourselves

[2:38:36] Voice 23: So, I think we will end up in the courts continually on different things, but my hope is that, as much as possible, we can work with the province and the feds to avoid that.

[2:38:46] Voice 23: So, next slide, please.

[2:38:49] Voice 23: Okay. This is one of my colleagues, Goodnayla Buchan, who I worked with at the province, and she's an amazing woman.

[2:38:57] Voice 23: She's both a lawyer and a biologist.

[2:38:59] Voice 23: and I said to one time that I was really struggling with a situation I think it was last year and

[2:39:06] Voice 23: really testing ethics values bridging being accountable to my counsel and she said Lisa I

[2:39:14] Voice 23: know you I don't have to tell you this reconciliation is meant to be hard and if you're having fun

[2:39:19] Voice 23: you're doing it wrong and I say that to myself repeatedly when things get tough because I think

[2:39:26] Voice 23: that is something that we need to remember and you as elected officials need to remember okay so

[2:39:33] Voice 16: i

[2:39:34] Voice 23: know you did next slide please so for the city of Nanaimo when i came to the city sometimes

[2:39:41] Voice 23: people were turning to me as if i was going to solve things and i said wait a minute the last

[2:39:46] Voice 23: 20 years you have a history and a legacy of relationships between staff former elected

[2:39:53] Voice 23: elected officials. You've got a foundation to build on. I'm not coming in completely doing

[2:39:57] Voice 23: something new here. And so what you see is our Mayor Leonard Crowe, the Chief Wise.

[2:40:05] Voice 23: And what I say is for you as elected officials, you play a really important role. You can build

[2:40:11] Voice 23: relationships in a way that staff can't. You have a freedom to explore those relationships in your

[2:40:17] Voice 23: role. Sometimes staff will have to follow protocol of going through rough, making sure they're not

[2:40:22] Voice 23: overstepping as long as you work in a united way with your trust areas and you're not and you're

[2:40:29] Voice 23: working with peter for guidance there's a lot you can do to build those relationships and trust that

[2:40:36] Voice 23: are essential that then lay the a good foundation because staff on our own it's quite difficult to

[2:40:42] Voice 23: do there's there's two ways there's a top down and a bottom up piece to this so you do need your

[2:40:49] Voice 23: staff on board but you're providing the direction and guidance to them about what you want to see

[2:40:54] Voice 23: and this is as much for all of us in the room as myself so what i put up here is educate yourself

[2:41:01] Voice 23: so i'm going to lighten the the room up with a story when i first came to canada

[2:41:07] Voice 23: i arrived in vancouver and i really wanted to know whose land i was on but i had no

[2:41:13] Voice 23: friends i arrived in vancouver i didn't know anyone so i took myself out to the

[2:41:17] Voice 23: the Museum of Anthropology at UBC, and they had a lot of works by Haida artists, particularly

[2:41:23] Voice 23: Bill Rees and others, and so I learned a lot about the Haida, and I made the assumption that the Haida

[2:41:28] Voice 23: had a lot of influence in Vancouver, because at the time, UBC hadn't really developed their

[2:41:33] Voice 23: relationship with Musqueam, and so as I got to make friends over the last sort of a few weeks

[2:41:40] Voice 23: and months, I'd meet people, and they'd say, you know, if you ever want to stay over, we have a Haida

[2:41:44] Voice 23: the bed I was like oh wow so it's like wow this is really something hey so I'd seen all the artwork

[2:41:52] Voice 23: and I'm a very visual person so all these people had Haida beds I was so pleased that Canadians

[2:41:58] Voice 23: who were not First Nations had Haida beds I built in my mind the most beautiful bed

[2:42:03] Voice 23: it had four posts each post was carved I had the whole thing constructed imagine when somebody

[2:42:10] Voice 23: they make good friends with me enough that they invite me for dinner and I sit on this couch and

[2:42:16] Voice 23: they say oh there's our Haida bed and I can barely hide my disappointment but I don't want to hide

[2:42:21] Voice 23: my ignorance oh I do want to hide it so I think oh okay well that's strange and I thought well

[2:42:26] Voice 23: maybe traditionally it's like the futon in Japan the Haida had created so maybe they created futon

[2:42:34] Voice 23: and thank goodness they get all the royalties great so for maybe two or three years I believe

[2:42:39] Voice 23: leave my little narrative, never disclose to the average Canadian my mistake, and I'm walking along

[2:42:44] Voice 23: by City Hall in Vancouver by a futon shop, and there's a word that says hide-a-bed, sale, like

[2:42:52] Voice 23: hide, oh my goodness, and I was so pleased I never met anybody hide-a, because you can imagine the

[2:43:00] Voice 23: awkward conversation I would have had, so anyway, educate yourself, so the other thing when working

[2:43:07] Voice 23: with staff at the cities, address your own bias. I'm half East Indian from the West Indies, half

[2:43:12] Voice 23: British. It doesn't matter your background, we all have biases. There is the Harvard, I think

[2:43:18] Voice 23: Harvard has a bias test that you can do online and it's really interesting because subconsciously

[2:43:25] Voice 23: from birth and the cultures we're in, so that's something that is interesting, that's part of your

[2:43:30] Voice 23: personal journey, but it's something I encourage. And then the other thing when working with

[2:43:35] Voice 23: indigenous partners is when you're working on anything wherever possible without imposing on

[2:43:42] Voice 23: people's um time and capacity plan together the committee committee forums i did one of the first

[2:43:48] Voice 23: ones in lillooet when i was starting off the planner probably in around 2000 ish and what was

[2:43:56] Voice 23: important is not so much the event but the process we went to make the selection about who was going

[2:44:03] Voice 23: going to do the food, who is going to do the facilitation, the agenda. It wasn't just set

[2:44:07] Voice 23: by the municipality. It was set with the other chiefs. And then the other one I say is prioritize

[2:44:13] Voice 23: and care for those with the highest needs. And within working with Sanemo, some of the things

[2:44:19] Voice 23: that we're doing at the city is making sure we're working in areas where we can't support elders,

[2:44:24] Voice 23: children, youth, and those that the nation identifies priorities for them. Next slide,

[2:44:30] Voice 23: please okay so when i talk about foundations so the city since 2005 with chief iola wise the

[2:44:37] Voice 23: current chief's mom did a protocol agreement and that was refreshed and re-signed in 2019

[2:44:44] Voice 23: with our last council who many of whom are still with this current council as well we have something

[2:44:50] Voice 23: called a technical working group which is staff to staff where we meet on average every month or

[2:44:55] Voice 23: every six weeks to discuss at the staff level projects

[2:44:59] Voice 23: where we are raising things that we think

[2:45:02] Voice 23: are of importance to the nation

[2:45:03] Voice 23: and they in turn do the same.

[2:45:05] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:45:07] Voice 23: So now I'm gonna tell you a picture through stories,

[2:45:10] Voice 23: a story through pictures.

[2:45:11] Voice 23: So this is the signing of the 2019 protocol

[2:45:13] Voice 23: in the big house.

[2:45:14] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:45:17] Voice 23: Next slide.

[2:45:20] Voice 23: This was for the raising of the flag

[2:45:22] Voice 23: or the re-raising of the flag.

[2:45:23] Voice 23: One thing I'm gonna pause and say

[2:45:25] Voice 23: is in your journey as elected officials,

[2:45:28] Voice 23: As you change in your positions and as councils change, the relationship will ebb and flow.

[2:45:35] Voice 23: And so it's not a trajectory of everything getting better.

[2:45:39] Voice 23: It's, again, relationships of trust.

[2:45:42] Voice 23: And it takes time.

[2:45:43] Voice 23: And so if you're coming in new and you're starting afresh and you've got maybe a new counselor on or a new chief that you're working with or chiefs,

[2:45:51] Voice 23: the relationship clicks just as we click and takes either more or less work depending on our

[2:45:57] Voice 23: personalities and our interests so it's maybe i'm just saying that for some reassurance because i do

[2:46:04] Voice 23: know at one point who's ever heard the citizen and i were having a bad rap right not that long ago

[2:46:11] Voice 23: okay about five years ago and we were blasted for being racist and there was a whole bunch of other

[2:46:17] Voice 23: pieces there. And I thought to myself, okay, this is a trajectory. In 2005, if I otherwise really

[2:46:26] Voice 23: thought Siti Nanaimo was an evil being, she would not have entered into protocol agreement. There

[2:46:31] Voice 23: wouldn't have been promises and agreements about a certain piece of land. So just take heart that

[2:46:38] Voice 23: even if you hit walls, things can and do shift. And you're an important piece in that. Next slide,

[2:46:46] Voice 23: please so we adopted in july of 2022 our city plan how many of you have heard of something

[2:46:54] Voice 23: called a comprehensive community plan okay so a comprehensive community plan is typically what

[2:47:00] Voice 23: a nation a first nation will do as their equivalent of an official community plan and

[2:47:06] Voice 23: what brent spoke to was the different things that first nations deal with that local governments

[2:47:12] Voice 23: don't. So responsibility for child welfare, for health, for education, a whole number of things

[2:47:18] Voice 23: that are on top of what we manage. And so a comprehensive community plan will oftentimes

[2:47:24] Voice 23: deal with all those elements plus land use. With city plan, we have combined a number of things

[2:47:32] Voice 23: from health, housing, affordable housing, climate change, transportation. And while it's not exactly

[2:47:38] Voice 23: like a comprehensive community plan it is a very integrated document and when

[2:47:43] Voice 23: we said to the nation we have an opportunity here to work with you we can

[2:47:47] Voice 23: look at structuring this document to weave reconciliation throughout can be a

[2:47:54] Voice 23: separate chapter or section or it can be both and the response we've got was both

[2:47:59] Voice 23: now this document in some ways while very forward-thinking and maybe looking

[2:48:06] Voice 23: looking at reconciliation in all the different elements of departments and things that we do

[2:48:10] Voice 23: may be considered by some to have been risky. And I'm being very blunt and open about this.

[2:48:16] Voice 23: And there are times where you might get legal advice and one lawyer will say,

[2:48:20] Voice 23: yep, you're good here. You're within the Local Government Act. You're not overstepping your

[2:48:23] Voice 23: bounds. Another might say, well, you're leading and creating expectations. When we worked with

[2:48:28] Voice 23: the nation on this, I was very clear that the Local Government Act allows us through OCPs

[2:48:35] Voice 23: to set visionary and set the stage for what our council and your council may wish to work on

[2:48:42] Voice 23: together but it doesn't fetter or commit a future council or even the existing ones to take some of

[2:48:50] Voice 23: those policy actions beyond land use being consistent making sure your official committee

[2:48:56] Voice 23: plan is consistent with zoning outside of that so now if you want to use politics you can

[2:49:04] Voice 23: interpret that and do different things with that so it's just i'm speaking a little bit i think russ

[2:49:09] Voice 23: has a lot of experience considering this but when you're looking at things around consent-based

[2:49:14] Voice 23: decision making expectation there are times where documents like this that we really i think we did

[2:49:23] Voice 23: the right thing we stayed within the limits we didn't put our council at risk but a member of

[2:49:28] Voice 1: the

[2:49:28] Voice 23: nation who maybe wasn't involved may say ah that means you're going to do xyz so just laying

[2:49:34] Voice 23: it out there because that's the reality of stepping forward into this realm and trying to

[2:49:39] Voice 23: move the dial forward to set the stage for trustees and counselors and chief and council

[2:49:44] Voice 23: have conversations so next slide please so building relationships i don't think i have

[2:49:51] Voice 23: to tell you guys what this is about but for me it was just a reminder to me um and it was also

[2:49:58] Voice 23: the words of marina white who did co-present with me the last time we were we or the first time we

[2:50:04] Voice 23: did this presentation, she graciously joined me. And one of the things she said, fit the pieces

[2:50:09] Voice 23: that fit, don't force things. So if something's not clicking, so for me, say I'm tasked with

[2:50:15] Voice 23: building a relationship with someone in a nation and somehow it is just not quite working. And

[2:50:22] Voice 23: sometimes it can be based on who I am and what I present. It could be based on my gender. There

[2:50:28] Voice 23: are times where I'll say to my boss, you know what? I think I'd like to bring you in here.

[2:50:34] Voice 23: I think that there's a rapport here where your your personality and style is going to jive differently than mine.

[2:50:39] Voice 23: So consider that it's not always just like I might make friends with Peter and he and I click and then me and Renee don't click.

[2:50:49] Voice 23: You know, it can be really, really there's a magic and a chemistry that works in relationships.

[2:50:57] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:51:01] Voice 15: Sorry, Laurie.

[2:51:04] Voice 23: okay so chief david bob who um was a very dear friend of mine uh through work i did with first

[2:51:12] Voice 23: nations emergency services and then continued on when i was at the regional district he once said

[2:51:17] Voice 23: to lansville council who i worked for very briefly friendship and trust come before politics

[2:51:24] Voice 23: and what he said to me over the years he said lisa don't bring me somebody who wants to meet

[2:51:30] Voice 23: me to tick a box. Bring me someone who sees that we are going to be here, we're not going anywhere,

[2:51:36] Voice 23: we're going to be here together for a long time, who wants to get to know us and have a long-term

[2:51:41] Voice 23: relationship. And so as trustees, as you come and go, you have opportunities to build relationships

[2:51:47] Voice 23: for your community, but also sustain them even when you're not elected, and to support that

[2:51:53] Voice 23: relationship for your former position or your current position. Next slide, please.

[2:51:59] Voice 23: Build on foundations. So friendship, trust, relationships, sports, connection. This is our

[2:52:06] Voice 23: GM of Parks, Rec and Culture with Noel Brown. A lot of work that's been done there on sports

[2:52:12] Voice 23: and reconciliation. Our CEO, Jake Rudolph, again with Noel Brown, a poll that we did at Swylana.

[2:52:19] Voice 23: Next slide, please. Thanks, Laurie.

[2:52:27] Voice 23: okay so we did our first national day for truth and reconciliation

[2:52:34] Voice 23: during covid and we asked the nation what would you like to do and how would you like to do this

[2:52:40] Voice 23: and we didn't know if 200 people would turn up or 2000 well we got thousands of people

[2:52:48] Voice 23: and it was live streamed um and so that really showed where our community was at not everyone

[2:52:55] Voice 23: but where our community was at to come forward and stand with Sunimu in support.

[2:53:03] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:53:05] Voice 23: So these are some pictures of the day.

[2:53:08] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:53:09] Voice 23: That's Chief Wise.

[2:53:10] Voice 23: Next slide.

[2:53:12] Voice 23: Next slide.

[2:53:14] Voice 23: And this pole now stands here.

[2:53:17] Voice 23: And one of the things we're trying to do is when we do these big events

[2:53:22] Voice 23: that there's something to commemorate it that's meaningful

[2:53:25] Voice 23: poll and that's done in partnership with the nation so noel brown who is a master carver

[2:53:30] Voice 23: from stanimo he was supported by the chief in these efforts and this poll now stands at swilana

[2:53:36] Voice 23: the important thing for nations that i think you've heard and we've heard is please don't

[2:53:41] Voice 23: just put a piece of art and not be interested in any relationship beyond that and i can say

[2:53:48] Voice 23: that the process for creating this pole, the event that led to celebrating it, making sure we followed

[2:53:55] Voice 23: the nation's protocols around how it came to be, was essential. So the pole in itself represents

[2:54:01] Voice 23: a lot more than a symbol. There's a process that went to creating this. Next slide, please.

[2:54:09] Voice 23: this is um former chief jerry brown who's also the father of noel brown speaking and when i went to

[2:54:17] Voice 23: walk him from the car to his seat i said how are you doing he said i don't know lisa i'm not sure

[2:54:24] Voice 23: how to feel he said we've had all the findings and camels we've had other things come up i don't

[2:54:31] Voice 23: know how to feel plus it's cam loops and i'm surrounded by a bunch of people and i don't know

[2:54:35] Voice 23: if they're going to be basically racist and I said well I really hope and I can't promise you

[2:54:41] Voice 23: I don't know how this is going to go either but I hope that if for any reason you don't feel safe

[2:54:46] Voice 23: just let us know and we'll do what we can and if you need to leave and at the end I said so

[2:54:51] Voice 23: how did that go he said that was amazing to see a sea of orange and people supporting

[2:54:56] Voice 23: and he spoke for his son he made jokes he said everybody learn hulka minum told us all off and

[2:55:03] Voice 23: And to see them uplifted, we really focused, our priority was the elders and making sure they were cared for.

[2:55:09] Voice 23: The rest of the community, yes, came on witness, but it was about the elders and the nation.

[2:55:13] Voice 23: We made sure we supported through a community-to-community forum funding that we provided access to a special meal for the elders so that they could decompress after this and have good conversations in a safe way.

[2:55:29] Voice 23: So, anyway, so next slide, please.

[2:55:31] Voice 23: please. That's Elder Lolly Good. Next slide, please. That's Kate Good. So Kate and I were

[2:55:39] Voice 23: our counterparts for organizing because an event like that actually took a lot of planning. There

[2:55:46] Voice 23: was COVID, like, you know, were we going to have to shut it down the day before? Would we go only

[2:55:51] Voice 23: on Zoom? And so Kate has been a wonderful support on this and other events. Next slide, please.

[2:55:59] Voice 23: uh the second national day for truth and reconciliation we said to the chief what

[2:56:04] Voice 23: would you like to do and would you like to consider an alternate location and one of the

[2:56:09] Voice 23: things he conveyed to us was he wanted to see something that yes dealt with the heaviness that

[2:56:15] Voice 23: comes with a day that isn't a celebration that is honoring the past harms particularly to children

[2:56:21] Voice 23: and their families and he said i'd also like to see something uplifting that brings community

[2:56:27] Voice 23: together. So himself and our general manager of Parks and Recreation talked about, well,

[2:56:33] Voice 23: could we do the serious part in the morning and really speak to honoring the day and have an

[2:56:39] Voice 23: afternoon that is community-based in terms of activities for kids and youth? And so we made

[2:56:45] Voice 23: all of our access to the aquatic center, the gym, the ice rink free of charge for the day,

[2:56:52] Voice 23: and really drew in community from all over including the nations the regional district

[2:56:58] Voice 23: of Nanaimo we co-sponsored free buses one from cedar and others again to bring access to the site

[2:57:04] Voice 23: and then we had different vendors and other things be there so it really was a very uplifting event

[2:57:12] Voice 23: next slide please

[2:57:13] Voice 22: next

[2:57:14] Voice 23: slide that's the advertising for it and as part of that event what

[2:57:19] Voice 23: we did and we talked about renaming so yes you do have certain things where renaming will involve

[2:57:24] Voice 23: the province or the feds but you will also have opportunities to name other things whether it's

[2:57:30] Voice 23: parks or fields in a more let's say expedited way with the approval of your committees and the

[2:57:38] Voice 23: nation and so we renamed uh what was called the ndss community field a partnership with the school

[2:57:46] Voice 23: district we worked with the school district board ourselves and the nation of course to come up with

[2:57:52] Voice 23: a name the nation wanted so they chose kinkina stuck which means it's a term to pass back that's

[2:57:58] Voice 23: used in games of soccer and it can also mean to return or give back and so noel brown again did

[2:58:06] Voice 23: the artwork for this with the name for the stadium so there it's a small gesture but it's a gesture

[2:58:14] Voice 23: that was meaningful to the nation.

[2:58:16] Voice 23: It's what they wanted.

[2:58:17] Voice 23: The chief is very supportive of sports and youth.

[2:58:19] Voice 23: So there are things you can do fairly quickly

[2:58:21] Voice 23: without running through the rigmarole.

[2:58:24] Voice 23: No offense, Brett.

[2:58:26] Voice 23: Sorry, you're representing the province now.

[2:58:29] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:58:31] Voice 23: And that's what it looks like at night.

[2:58:33] Voice 23: And our hope is that eventually

[2:58:34] Voice 23: we start showing these markers and communications.

[2:58:38] Voice 23: How many of you have ever been to New Zealand or Hawaii?

[2:58:43] Voice 23: Okay.

[2:58:44] Voice 23: And you'll see the use of indigenous Hawaiian or Maori languages just more embedded.

[2:58:52] Voice 23: And it's because their past and their relationship, while not perfect, has been different.

[2:58:56] Voice 23: And so there's opportunities here.

[2:58:59] Voice 23: You know, you'll see anybody who's been up to Slaiman, you'll see the stop signs on the

[2:59:04] Voice 23: reserve are both in Slaiman and English.

[2:59:07] Voice 23: And you'll start seeing that in other areas, too.

[2:59:10] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[2:59:11] Voice 23: Please. So this is again, how many members of the nation said how supportive it felt to be in a

[2:59:18] Voice 23: place where they knew everybody wearing orange was going to be kind to them.

[2:59:23] Voice 23: Next slide, please. So those are some of the moments this this little one stole stole the show.

[2:59:31] Voice 23: Next slide, please. And then this is just some pictures of the day.

[2:59:36] Voice 23: Kids in the afternoon just having fun and also providing this kind of co-planned event meant that we were providing space for our community to connect with each other in a way that maybe they wouldn't be going down to First Nations communities or knocking on people's doors, but providing a natural space and a safe space where our Indigenous community members...

[3:00:00] Voice 23: and our non-Indigenous community members could be together.

[3:00:03] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[3:00:05] Voice 23: Next slide.

[3:00:07] Voice 23: And so those are some of the different activities that we had going on.

[3:00:10] Voice 23: And we worked with a lot of sports groups to help do that.

[3:00:13] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[3:00:14] Voice 23: So a few more slides, and then I will stop.

[3:00:18] Voice 23: You can ask questions.

[3:00:19] Voice 23: So these are some of the other things that we've been doing more recently.

[3:00:24] Voice 23: How many of you heard about Nanaimo's hosting

[3:00:27] Voice 23: of the Junior All-Native Basketball Tournament?

[3:00:31] Voice 23: Right. So I take it you went to some games. Yeah. So the chief asked for us to help prepare a package to bid for hosting the Junior All-Native Basketball Tournament.

[3:00:46] Voice 23: And it's the biggest basketball tournament in Canada. And I think between Sanemo and ourselves, we hosted the biggest in the history of the Junior All-Native, which is pretty impressive coming out of COVID.

[3:00:57] Voice 23: COVID. So next slide, please. So 94 teams, 1200 athletes, six gyms, partnerships for youth.

[3:01:06] Voice 23: And as Kate said to me, this isn't just a basketball tournament. This is about

[3:01:11] Voice 23: resilience, health, and well-being. Next slide, please. And so the city really supported the

[3:01:18] Voice 23: chief wanted a big opening ceremony. So we had to get a cover for our ice arena. That was a huge

[3:01:24] Voice 23: stress for staff because we had to hire that from partsville get it shipped it all went smoothly but

[3:01:32] Voice 23: it was a phenomenal amount of planning if kate and i thought that the september 30th were big

[3:01:38] Voice 23: this was like five or six times so this is the frank crane arena it was packed and it set things

[3:01:45] Voice 23: off in a really good way for the youth get excited about the games next slide please so that's this

[3:01:51] Voice 23: This is amazing, it always gives me chills looking at it.

[3:01:55] Voice 23: First Nations from all around BC and their teams

[3:01:59] Voice 23: proudly displaying their teams.

[3:02:02] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[3:02:03] Voice 23: And this is just some of the highlights from the games.

[3:02:07] Voice 23: So our staff were in various roles supporting,

[3:02:10] Voice 23: the school district were in all supports as well.

[3:02:13] Voice 23: And at times we had volunteers, including myself,

[3:02:17] Voice 23: where things went crazy with security.

[3:02:21] Voice 23: who knew? You know, and it was one of those things, having worked with the school district

[3:02:27] Voice 23: over smaller events, there was trust. There was people texting each other. I'm short security.

[3:02:36] Voice 23: I'm short first aid at this gym. Somebody didn't turn up help. Like, okay, I am not doing first

[3:02:41] Voice 23: aid. You never want me doing that. But I can do security. I can watch and alert, right? And so

[3:02:46] Voice 23: we had people at very senior positions just stepping in and filling gaps next slide please

[3:02:53] Voice 23: and now coming to this year uh as part of our fire station number one opening noel brown again was

[3:02:59] Voice 23: commissioned to do a welcome poll and as part of that that was um commemorated on june 21st

[3:03:08] Voice 23: which was the day he and the chief chose for this next slide please we also did at the request of

[3:03:14] Voice 23: Sunemo, and this was, we were asked maybe two and a half weeks prior to the 20th, and this will

[3:03:22] Voice 23: happen. You know, you did such a good job on June 30th. Do you think you'd pull something together

[3:03:27] Voice 23: for June 20th as part of National Indigenous Peoples Day? And myself and the school district

[3:03:31] Voice 23: went, that was not on the books. And I said, we could do something. It probably won't be as big.

[3:03:38] Voice 23: And if it's just for kids, we think we can pull it off. And we did. So this is some pictures.

[3:03:43] Voice 23: we had about 250 to 300 kids and their teachers come and the idea is that now every year we'll

[3:03:51] Voice 23: do this really focused on children uh through the school district and one of my favorite pictures

[3:03:56] Voice 23: was uh these kids i think the boys are from barsby on the tug of war so again didn't have to be

[3:04:02] Voice 23: overly complex it still did involve a lot of last minute time and resources and energy but we managed

[3:04:08] Voice 23: to scale it in such a way the nation was happy the kids were happy most importantly and again

[3:04:13] Voice 23: it provided that bridging ground for kids of all backgrounds and right there you can see our team

[3:04:18] Voice 23: these are the members of the nation my staff and school district staff right there on the bottom

[3:04:24] Voice 23: who knocked it out of the park in under two and a half weeks so um next slide please other examples

[3:04:32] Voice 23: examples of small things that again show a welcome space that's the Harewood Skate Park and the

[3:04:39] Voice 23: designs that were done for that a few years ago next slide please and this one I just popped in

[3:04:45] Voice 23: here right before I came the nation gave us designs that they selected from Ait Leilom they're the

[3:04:52] Voice 23: clothing house of the design they're well known in the nation they designed these utility covers

[3:04:57] Voice 23: We're not allowed to say manhole anymore, people.

[3:05:03] Voice 23: So I just got this from the Director of Engineering, because they've now been minted, and now as

[3:05:09] Voice 23: we replace and do new projects, these will be throughout the city.

[3:05:13] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[3:05:15] Voice 23: So building on some serious pieces, right, these things all help us work together on

[3:05:22] Voice 23: areas where Senegal and other nations haven't had the same level of opportunity or equity

[3:05:29] Voice 23: and are disproportionately represented in Indigenous homelessness and lack of housing.

[3:05:36] Voice 23: So we were able to work through a grant with UBCM, say to the nation,

[3:05:41] Voice 23: hey, do you want to try something? We don't know if we'll get the funding,

[3:05:45] Voice 23: but if you're willing to, let's see if this works. So next slide, please.

[3:05:48] Voice 23: please. So we did manage to pull this off faster than any partnership we've ever done with BC

[3:05:56] Voice 23: Housing. No offense to BC Housing,

[3:05:58] Voice 23: but so this is Kate. We were there to watch the first arrival.

[3:06:02] Voice 23: It was built in Kelowna. Next slide, please. And so what these are are units for people who are

[3:06:10] Voice 23: struggling with homelessness, maybe couch surfing on the streets to come and be stabilized.

[3:06:16] Voice 23: So NAMO's health centre is not far.

[3:06:19] Voice 23: There was a deliberate move to not put laundry as part of this

[3:06:22] Voice 23: so that laundry would be at the health centre

[3:06:24] Voice 23: so that people would go regularly to connect and access.

[3:06:27] Voice 23: The nation has some rules that if you are there,

[3:06:30] Voice 23: you have to show that you're working towards your wellness,

[3:06:33] Voice 23: whatever that looks like,

[3:06:34] Voice 23: but you have to show that you're working towards your wellness.

[3:06:37] Voice 23: And so now we've got each of the four plexes,

[3:06:41] Voice 23: is what we call them, has four units,

[3:06:44] Voice 23: one of which is fully accessible for somebody with mobility challenges.

[3:06:49] Voice 23: And they have the dignity of having their own washroom, their own mini kitchen area.

[3:06:56] Voice 23: It's not a full kitchen, but it's at least better than we could have put the money into hotel rooms for a year.

[3:07:01] Voice 23: We could have put it into something very transitory.

[3:07:04] Voice 23: And instead, as a result of this funding, the nation are left with, we had a year's operation for them.

[3:07:10] Voice 23: But beyond this, I'm now left with something meaningful that they can use going forward, however they wish, once the funding criteria is finished.

[3:07:19] Voice 23: So next slide, please.

[3:07:21] Voice 23: So I'm going to end with this is not an easy journey.

[3:07:24] Voice 23: It takes time and commitment.

[3:07:26] Voice 23: Next slide, please.

[3:07:29] Voice 23: And I really like this quote here.

[3:07:33] Voice 23: and it's for me personally because maybe that's i feel like uh it's pretty tough work and it's

[3:07:41] Voice 23: meant to be tough but if it's tough for me imagine how tough it is for my colleagues at the nations

[3:07:46] Voice 23: who have for years worked and attempted to work with different levels of government with varying

[3:07:50] Voice 23: success and still have the grace to work with us so i'll leave with one other thing good night

[3:07:56] Voice 23: i let laboucan my colleague uh who said that reconciliation is not meant to be easy she once

[3:08:02] Voice 23: said to me lisa you know what we are critical drips like and it was because at times i would

[3:08:10] Voice 23: feel like oh where's the outcome of this i feel like we're just tiny and each of you are and i

[3:08:15] Voice 23: think i said this before critical drips small actions that you may think are not significant

[3:08:21] Voice 23: together add up to one big stream and then things flow and move forward and as local government

[3:08:31] Voice 23: trustees you have an amazing ability in your elected role to represent your communities and

[3:08:36] Voice 23: be bridges and help staff like me so with that i will say i accept the cm

[3:08:51] Voice 26: You can't get away without questions.

[3:08:54] Voice 26: That was truly magnificent, though.

[3:08:56] Voice 26: Thank you for your work.

[3:08:59] Voice 26: Trustees, do you have some questions for Lisa?

[3:09:03] Voice 26: Or are you just

[3:09:04] Voice 15: percolating?

[3:09:10] Voice 26: That's a lot to absorb.

[3:09:14] Voice 26: Joe Bernardo.

[3:09:14] Voice 26: Thank you, Joe.

[3:09:15] Voice 9: Thank you for that presentation, Lisa. It's enlightening and it's very helpful. You mentioned about relationship building, about the importance of it being based on trust and friendship.

[3:09:32] Voice 9: and to my ears it that sounds like human first formality second uh it can't be a transactional

[3:09:42] Voice 9: attitude which is really deep the transactional attitude is very deep our western culture

[3:09:49] Voice 9: it informs the economy government law everything so that's pretty uphill

[3:09:56] Voice 9: pill. But with that idea that this humane human contact is crucial, do you have any comments on

[3:10:09] Voice 9: how does the local government strike the balance between the role of staff, which does all the

[3:10:15] Voice 9: heavy lifting, and then you've got the elected officials who really, their engagement is a sign

[3:10:26] Voice 9: of respect uh and is i would think key to sort of um confirming the humanity of the communication

[3:10:36] Voice 9: or the engagement so i'm thinking okay you know that does heavy lifting politicians if all they

[3:10:45] Voice 9: do is wheel in for demonstration purposes that's phony that doesn't really work so i'm struggling

[3:10:51] Voice 9: to figure out how do you how do you get the balance between those two between staff and

[3:10:56] Voice 9: involved okay

[3:10:57] Voice 23: that's a really good question how many of you know members of nations who are council

[3:11:04] Voice 23: members and staff okay it's very common you have a small finite group of people and oftentimes those

[3:11:13] Voice 23: who are the doers get elected and their staff and now your staff have the dilemma of oh am i dealing

[3:11:20] Voice 23: with somebody in a what hat are they wearing are they wearing a political hat am i going to get my

[3:11:24] Voice 23: my CEO into trouble, you know, or get myself into trouble.

[3:11:28] Voice 23: What hat are people wearing?

[3:11:30] Voice 23: And so it really is a very delicate balance.

[3:11:35] Voice 23: And what I would say is, maybe I'll give an example.

[3:11:40] Voice 23: George Holm, who is an area director in electoral area E of the RDN,

[3:11:44] Voice 23: there was a conflict between Nanu's First Nation,

[3:11:47] Voice 23: who were very offended that they were invited to a parks planning process

[3:11:52] Voice 23: for lands that they deeply had attachment to and what happened was the

[3:12:00] Voice 23: era director said I can't believe the nation won't bother to turn up they say

[3:12:05] Voice 23: this land is important they won't come to committee meetings and so my CA

[3:12:09] Voice 23: relayed this to me and said what's going on why isn't the chief going I said well

[3:12:12] Voice 23: think about it why would the chief turn up to a meeting that includes the dog

[3:12:17] Voice 23: walkers of Nanus the nonprofit flower champions of Nanus the chief is a

[3:12:22] Voice 23: level of government. He wants to work directly with the Electoral Director. Maybe later on he

[3:12:28] Voice 23: might say he'll join a committee, but he doesn't want to be leveled to a non-profit or a group of

[3:12:32] Voice 23: citizens. So I facilitated a meeting where George and Chief Bob were going to meet each other for

[3:12:40] Voice 23: the first time. And at the time, it was actually pretty tense. George said, well, why aren't you

[3:12:48] Voice 22: showing up and the chief said well really

[3:12:52] Voice 23: and he just let him have it and the staff were there

[3:12:55] Voice 23: literally gripping under their table and I was sitting there and I thought no no it's okay

[3:13:00] Voice 23: because the good thing is is they're talking even if they're talking about something hard and for me

[3:13:05] Voice 23: I knew the chief well enough the worst thing would be a he didn't turn up b he sat in silence and

[3:13:10] Voice 23: said nothing and just nodded and listened which meant that he was not happy he was actually felt

[3:13:14] Voice 23: felt that George would hear him. And he was very respectful, but he was very strong.

[3:13:20] Voice 23: And I remember looking at George going, oh my goodness, I wonder how he's going to respond to

[3:13:23] Voice 23: this. And he just said, oh, I had no idea that's how this was coming across. And he said, I am

[3:13:30] Voice 23: truly sorry. Can we restart? Boom, eyes broken. An acknowledgement, an apology. You know, George

[3:13:40] Voice 23: had assumed that the chief was being too arrogant to come and she was going there why would i sit

[3:13:45] Voice 23: there and be relegated to um one voice amongst other people who um and then what happened after

[3:13:54] Voice 23: that both these guys golfed and when i introduced them i said hey you like golf you like golf right

[3:14:00] Voice 23: and they while they didn't actually golf together they would talk together and they would they

[3:14:05] Voice 23: They eventually forged a relationship where even after David wasn't the chief, George would still call him up to go for coffee.

[3:14:13] Voice 23: Another one was Joe Stanhope, where, you know, a sign of respect.

[3:14:18] Voice 23: When his wife passed, two of the chiefs went to her funeral.

[3:14:22] Voice 23: And that showed his relationship with them had evolved beyond politics, beyond the work of the two governments, to friendship.

[3:14:32] Voice 23: and but navigating that with staff staff aren't always doing heavy lifting you might be doing

[3:14:39] Voice 23: heavy lifting right and then giving us the direction i mean i'm in a strange spot where

[3:14:45] Voice 23: i had relationships with the nation that i brought with me to the city and was able to

[3:14:50] Voice 23: leverage that support that but that's not very typical just

[3:14:57] Voice 9: to clarify uh what i mentioned that

[3:15:00] Voice 9: the staff does heavy lifting that's how we do things here and uh i guess what i was groping

[3:15:07] Voice 9: towards and trying to explain it and thank you for that those stories are actually quite illuminating

[3:15:12] Voice 9: uh is that you know as you ended it i was getting the impression that the elected officials have to

[3:15:20] Voice 9: be more proactive in terms of engaging that they have to be reaching out and it's not for

[3:15:26] Voice 9: staff can contact say if there's a consultation that's required um the political side has to be

[3:15:33] Voice 9: involved in the consultation at a personal level it's not something that's off necessarily going to

[3:15:38] Voice 9: be offloaded entirely on staff it has to be a joint effort of some sort that's

[3:15:45] Voice 23: i could respond

[3:15:46] Voice 23: to that so when it comes to things like consultation i think that's something that

[3:15:51] Voice 23: you can navigate through your CAO, where the relationship's important is literally building

[3:15:58] Voice 23: bridges, getting to know each other, having those, use a community forum for dinners or not,

[3:16:04] Voice 23: use another mechanism. I think the more that there's opportunities to have positive interaction

[3:16:10] Voice 23: when the rubber hits the road with those tough things around, we want consent-based decision

[3:16:15] Voice 23: making, your staff are doing the heavy lifting in terms of working with Brent and others on policy,

[3:16:20] Voice 23: maybe even talking to lawyers unfortunately but all of those pieces and it's the relationship

[3:16:27] Voice 23: politically that will help ease those conversations so despite what you might read in the papers of

[3:16:36] Voice 23: the last little bit where we face the bump and it's very much to Atlantis former treaties that

[3:16:41] Voice 23: weren't honored things that were limited in dealing with and we're we're down that road

[3:16:45] Voice 23: and we're going to be perhaps the pawn in a situation maybe we already are at least the

[3:16:53] Voice 23: chief and the mayor still text each other they still go for coffee they still have conversations

[3:16:57] Voice 23: in the midst of all that and that's really important because at some point the conflict

[3:17:04] Voice 23: we're in over land it's one terminal site you'll have seen it in the papers it will pass it will

[3:17:09] Voice 23: will be resolved and we still need to continue on with the relationship and that's where you as

[3:17:15] Voice 23: elected officials have the chance to help us or help our communities with that and to have those

[3:17:23] Voice 23: frank discussions making sure you're all on side you're not going off at left field while peter

[3:17:28] Voice 23: goes off right and to convey to your cao okay here are some of the things we're hearing and there's

[3:17:36] Voice 23: times where there's a chance for your CEO, their CEO, you and your chair to sit down together and

[3:17:43] Voice 23: have some of those tough conversations that are bridging between the political and the other

[3:17:48] Voice 23: pieces. I

[3:17:50] Voice 23: can't emphasize enough how important it is. And not everybody's going to feel comfortable.

[3:17:56] Voice 23: Maybe not everybody's the right match, but you may set up working groups where you rotate amongst

[3:18:01] Voice 23: amongst you who is the appropriate person to sit there.

[3:18:05] Voice 23: I hope that helps.

[3:18:10] Voice 16: Sue Ellen Fafs and Laura Patrick.

[3:18:14] Voice 20: Thank you for your presentation.

[3:18:17] Voice 20: I'm wondering about the city plan.

[3:18:22] Voice 20: I read about Nanaimo city plan somewhere else,

[3:18:26] Voice 20: maybe UBCM newsletter or something like that.

[3:18:29] Voice 20: It's quite different.

[3:18:30] Voice 20: It has the OCP in it, but it also

[3:18:33] Voice 20: has a layer of transportation planning recreation planning uh and i'm wondering um i don't know how

[3:18:42] Voice 20: islands from my

[3:18:45] Voice 11: reading of the official community plans that i've encountered uh both on bowen

[3:18:50] Voice 11: island where i'm

[3:18:50] Voice 20: from but also uh a few others in the honest trust area uh they seem to have

[3:18:55] Voice 20: elements about that about those other topics in

[3:18:59] Voice 11: the official community plans um can you

[3:19:04] Voice 11: you comment on how we could use official community plans besides just asking for consultation? Are

[3:19:11] Voice 11: there other elements like these? I think you described them as service elements. Or are there

[3:19:18] Voice 11: any other elements besides land use that we could bring in? Here I go.

[3:19:29] Voice 23: Absolutely. You have the

[3:19:32] Voice 23: Local Government Act will set out what content you should have or must have. And then beyond that,

[3:19:38] Voice 23: you have the flexibility to put in other directions i caution you about saying well

[3:19:43] Voice 23: we're going

[3:19:44] Voice 1: to have a new

[3:19:44] Voice 23: hospital or something that's clearly a mandate but you can have advocacy

[3:19:47] Voice 23: type policies in there that relate to working with other agencies and ministries and you know

[3:19:55] Voice 23: it's worthwhile obviously your ceo will help guide you there are so our our city plan is a city plan

[3:20:05] Voice 23: which happens to also serve the function of an OCP.

[3:20:09] Voice 23: And our Parks, Recreation and Culture Plan,

[3:20:11] Voice 23: Transition Plan, Climate Action, all needed updating.

[3:20:15] Voice 23: And it made sense.

[3:20:16] Voice 23: Could we collapse six documents into one?

[3:20:18] Voice 23: And then it's a better playbook for developers,

[3:20:21] Voice 23: the community and our council.

[3:20:23] Voice 23: So there's opportunity there.

[3:20:25] Voice 23: You can look at ours as one example of doing it.

[3:20:29] Voice 23: It does mean...

[3:20:30] Voice 23: The other reason we did it that way is so we weren't engaging

[3:20:33] Voice 23: the community six times over six years on similar but slightly different topics so we did one

[3:20:40] Voice 23: unified engagement process and we didn't know at the end of it whether it would make sense to have

[3:20:45] Voice 23: one plan six plans four plans two plans and it also required each department giving up something

[3:20:52] Voice 23: right instead of engineering their standalone transportation plan it is now embedded in a

[3:20:58] Voice 23: a collective document so it was part of a cultural shift internally to put in writing how we're going

[3:21:05] Voice 23: to work together to achieve council's objectives community honestly does not care whether we have

[3:21:11] Voice 23: a separate plan for climate parks rec transportation they want to know we're going to achieve things

[3:21:16] Voice 23: and how we're going to achieve that things so that was the basis and it's a bit you know it

[3:21:22] Voice 23: was experimental and i think the experiment has paid off so far we'll see in the next few years

[3:21:27] Voice 23: as we implement, so.

[3:21:30] Voice 26: Laura Patrick, something else?

[3:21:35] Voice 11: Well, again, thank you.

[3:21:36] Voice 11: I'm a bit jealous.

[3:21:37] Voice 11: We have 13 nations per our island

[3:21:40] Voice 11: of a population of 12,000 people.

[3:21:42] Voice 11: So I'm so very jealous.

[3:21:44] Voice 11: But could you, in the city plan that you did create,

[3:21:48] Voice 11: what was the part, I mean, engaging with First Nations

[3:21:51] Voice 11: and working closely with First Nations,

[3:21:53] Voice 11: but the obligation of the city to sort of help the city

[3:21:55] Voice 11: or the residents along on that journey too?

[3:21:59] Voice 11: Was there anything you could share from that?

[3:22:03] Voice 23: Well, what we did through our engagement,

[3:22:05] Voice 23: we actually identified potential priority areas

[3:22:08] Voice 23: and got responses that were both either statistically,

[3:22:11] Voice 23: we did something called a statistically valid survey

[3:22:13] Voice 23: as well as online.

[3:22:15] Voice 23: And so we got responses to test out what we were proposing.

[3:22:20] Voice 23: So I can have staff share the results of that,

[3:22:23] Voice 23: but whether it was climate change, reconciliation,

[3:22:26] Voice 23: affordable housing public safety we deliberately went to the community and said what are your

[3:22:32] Voice 23: priorities what's important to you and also by the way this is what council has set as an objective

[3:22:39] Voice 23: right part of going through this process of looking at a city plan council wanted to look at

[3:22:44] Voice 23: areas that had come up since 2008 primarily reconciliation climate action and adaptation

[3:22:51] Voice 23: and so it was discussed that that was very important to look at through the process

[3:22:55] Voice 23: so we used statistically valid surveys we also did a workshop as well so we could test that out

[3:23:04] Voice 23: with the community and one way of doing something differently you might think with online surveys or

[3:23:11] Voice 23: public meetings you may tend to get the same people who want to engage over and over but

[3:23:17] Voice 23: you're not hearing from the silent majority and doing a statistically valid survey which was the

[3:23:23] Voice 23: idea of our parks recreation culture they've used that many times was i think an excellent way of

[3:23:29] Voice 23: validating what are the results from the broader group off and actually it was very well aligned

[3:23:37] Voice 23: which was fortunate but at least statistically valid could give council something to say well

[3:23:43] Voice 23: staff didn't just have all their friends go online and type in results right this was independent

[3:23:48] Voice 23: independent, separate entity did it and administered it. So that's one way of making

[3:23:55] Voice 23: sure you've got that engagement. But what I'm hearing from you too, is how do you bring the

[3:23:59] Voice 23: community along, those who may not be on board and who are silently seething as everybody else

[3:24:06] Voice 23: says, yes, this is what we want to do. And I'd say one of those things was in parallel to doing

[3:24:11] Voice 23: the city plan, we were also doing many of these different initiatives. Now, where we are going to

[3:24:18] Voice 23: to hit the road, and I'm going to turn to Bren, is where we have the challenges around the

[3:24:23] Voice 23: expectations, where First Nations are saying, look, we want consent. We want, before you approve that,

[3:24:31] Voice 23: we want to say yes first. And what does that do to private citizens who have an expectation that

[3:24:37] Voice 23: they fall in one process? And that is, quite honestly for me, quite worrisome. One thing I

[3:24:44] Voice 23: able to say about school district 68 they're doing a phenomenal job on the upstream side of

[3:24:49] Voice 23: introducing health cleanup and in indigenous ways and being annoying through school so kids are

[3:24:54] Voice 23: having a very different experience than i would have had if i'd grown up in this country so we've

[3:25:00] Voice 23: got those kind of pieces working but we also have we have high risk um and so again as leaders you

[3:25:08] Voice 23: do set the tone and the stage and expectation but some leaders may step out there and risk not

[3:25:13] Voice 23: getting elected because the community is not ready so it's a tough one okay

[3:25:22] Voice 26: thank you is there any

[3:25:25] Voice 26: other thoughts or questions at this time otherwise i truly want to uh i certainly have some questions

[3:25:31] Voice 26: but i'm maybe have those questions offline because i'll just say times they are changing

[3:25:39] Voice 26: and we're not going back to where we were even a few years ago because what's happening in the

[3:25:44] Voice 26: nations is a magnificent grasping or obtaining opportunity to do things that we've not seen

[3:25:51] Voice 26: before. And there's opportunities for us to learn so much about this place. I talk about paradigm

[3:25:57] Voice 26: shifts sometimes and embracing some of what we have the opportunity to learn will help us move

[3:26:04] Voice 26: advance in our own way of being as well. So thank you very much. Very, very much for being here today.

[3:26:17] Voice 26: So, Council, we have a bit of time here today. I'm inclined, however, at this moment to, we've got these evening sessions now that we've done one yesterday, we have another one scheduled for today.

[3:26:31] Voice 26: I'm inclined to recess our meeting because we've had quite a heavy conversation here, and it's a really great opportunity to segue into Toby Elliott's presentation about her master's degree work.

[3:26:45] Voice 26: action research on reconciliation in the context of gabrielle yeah and so it's about reconciliation

[3:26:51] Voice 26: and action work right here on gabriela island so is that all right with council we'll conclude our

[3:26:57] Voice 26: business for today we'll pick up tomorrow and then maybe we'll break a little bit early and we can

[3:27:02] Voice 26: have we can absorb what we've learned from our guests and what we will learn from toby here

[3:27:08] Voice 26: today so toby elliott um trustee gabriela island over to you thank you up front okay