Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 12, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 5: well welcome everybody to this special meeting of the salt spring island local trust committee

[0:00:08] Voice 5: i'd like to acknowledge that we're meeting on the territory of coast salish peoples and

[0:00:15] Voice 5: respectful of that folks who have been here since time immemorial and uh today is a special purpose

[0:00:23] Voice 5: purpose meeting we're here to have a town hall session um outside of regular working hours and

[0:00:31] Voice 5: I'm glad to see some folks have showed up uh we do have a little meeting decorum here but I'll

[0:00:38] Voice 5: just briefly say um like people to be succinct to speak to the issues not personalities uh direct

[0:00:49] Voice 5: direct questions to trustees and just to be used respectful language and recognize that this is a

[0:00:59] Voice 5: workplace for for staff as well and so with those basic ground rules I'll set that out I will use a

[0:01:10] Voice 5: timer at least initially to get us started so everyone has an opportunity to speak

[0:01:18] Voice 5: and if you haven't got quite got enough out then uh i'll let you wrap up or or we can you can stick

[0:01:27] Voice 5: your hand up and we'll we'll come back to you all right so with that uh i'll introduce myself i'm

[0:01:34] Voice 5: tim peterson elected on the skeedy island i'm the chair of the salt spring island local trust

[0:01:40] Voice 5: committee there's a trustee jamie harris and trustee laura patrick regional planning manager

[0:01:48] Voice 5: chris hutton and rob pingel you are now a legislator you are are you and you're going

[0:01:58] to be deputy deputy

[0:01:59] Voice 6: secretary for island trust as well okay okay

[0:02:04] Voice 1: man of many talents

[0:02:08] Voice 1: else uh so that'll look for a show of hands sure

[0:02:12] Voice 4: yes you said you'd use a timer but you didn't say

[0:02:14] Voice 4: how long you'd be running the timer for okay

[0:02:17] Voice 5: well i think uh my inclination is to start with about

[0:02:21] Voice 5: three minutes does that seem reasonable

[0:02:24] Voice 6: that's fine um let's see if we've got five

[0:02:30] Voice 6: we can

[0:02:32] Voice 5: do five thank you we can do five and then uh i'll just be a bit more strict on

[0:02:39] Voice 5: I'm cutting off closer to five.

[0:02:42] Voice 5: So show of hands, and then I'll just start working through the room.

[0:02:49] Voice 5: Okay, so I'm going to start on this side here, gentlemen in the red shirt.

[0:02:54] Voice 5: You had to hear that first, so there you go.

[0:02:59] Voice 6: My name is – can you hear me?

[0:03:00] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:03:01] Voice 6: My name is Robin Williams.

[0:03:02] Voice 6: I'm here representing the fire district.

[0:03:05] Voice 6: I'm glad to see you're having an open session like this.

[0:03:07] Voice 6: i had i know you'll reply to lmo jamie a little bit and uh just wanted to bring you a little bit

[0:03:12] Voice 6: up to date on what's happening with fireball because we are fast tracking and constructing

[0:03:15] Voice 6: um we uh picked the architect who had been the previous architect when we went to referendum

[0:03:23] Voice 6: and we're not successful in funding because of that we probably picked up about nine months on

[0:03:30] Voice 6: the timetable so we think we'll be actually into construction this fall so there's going to be some

[0:03:36] Voice 6: stop coming to you uh i know they're i'm fairly new on the board so i know there was some preliminary

[0:03:42] Voice 6: work done with the trust but i think we still have to probably confirm or develop a permit

[0:03:47] Voice 6: um the other thing i'd like to see is the local trust committee appoint a designate to work with

[0:03:53] Voice 6: us we recently had a strategic planning session which was uh run by linda adams and one of the

[0:04:01] Voice 6: things you're going to see the district doing is reaching out trying to do a lot more coordination

[0:04:05] Voice 6: with other agencies and one of the biggest things we're going to be looking at is to see if we can

[0:04:11] Voice 6: make some breakthroughs in terms of the funding situation that we have as a region you know

[0:04:18] Voice 6: province has kind of put us in an interesting catch-22 where they said regional districts

[0:04:24] Voice 6: per se are not allowed to do certain things that other groups such as municipalities or

[0:04:30] Voice 6: our local governments are able to do particularly with respect to money we are not allowed to apply

[0:04:36] Voice 6: for grants directly and uh i was actually a previous the a trustee of the honest trusted

[0:04:43] Voice 6: services so i'm currently familiar with the organization which most of my colleagues on

[0:04:49] Voice 6: the board are not and i know for one thing that you actually have i think it's a vacant position

[0:04:54] Voice 6: right now but she had a grants regular grants coordinator that works through claire travers

[0:05:01] Voice 6: department and i'm trying to see if we can find some kind of unique solutions to this problem we

[0:05:09] Voice 6: have with financing of different capital projects particularly the building uh the province is in

[0:05:16] Voice 6: a position that we were able to do financing through them basically take a loan through the

[0:05:20] Voice 6: the provincial government would save this community about four to five hundred thousand

[0:05:24] Voice 6: dollars in financing costs right now we're looking at using the bank in montreal

[0:05:31] Voice 6: and that's the basically designated apple said you cannot come to us directly but i understand

[0:05:38] Voice 6: a lot of what we have is trust and local trust you're actually a part of the municipal affairs

[0:05:44] Voice 6: and infrastructure ministry and so we may be coming to you with some pretty innovative

[0:05:49] Voice 6: thinking about how we can make a breakthrough on financing and save this community a significant

[0:05:56] Voice 6: amount of money. Okay, thank you.

[0:06:00] Voice 8: Thank you for

[0:06:01] Voice 5: that. And next I'm going to come over to this

[0:06:06] Voice 5: side, gentleman in the bright shirt. It's Dave Lowe.

[0:06:12] Voice 2: Let me start by saying that I came to

[0:06:16] Voice 2: to the original last meeting

[0:06:17] Voice 2: when CASHI was presented to you guys.

[0:06:21] Voice 2: A week later, I came to the office

[0:06:23] Voice 2: and I asked who was assigned.

[0:06:25] Voice 2: You guys said you had assigned this to staff.

[0:06:28] Voice 2: I was told it had not yet been assigned.

[0:06:30] Voice 2: I left a phone number and asked that I be called.

[0:06:33] Voice 2: This day, I've never received a call

[0:06:35] Voice 2: as to who the representative on the staff is

[0:06:38] Voice 2: with respect to that,

[0:06:40] Voice 2: so I can address some issues directly with staff.

[0:06:43] Voice 2: But I did want to bring to your attention

[0:06:45] Voice 2: that the cache is actually two parts one deals with the mooring issue the other

[0:06:51] Voice 2: deals with the housing issue and I want to talk to you about the mooring issue

[0:06:54] Voice 2: and to do that I'd like to show you a video which I took on Monday

[0:07:00] Voice 6: and this is

[0:07:05] Voice 6: a boat that is now

[0:07:08] Voice 2: floating free under basically 15 knots of wind and it ends

[0:07:16] Voice 8: up being located right in the channel here. Here's where the boat ended up right

[0:07:36] Voice 2: in the channel to

[0:07:37] Voice 2: the marina where my boat's located. That was there for an hour and a half. We had called, by the way,

[0:07:43] Voice 2: Coast Guard when I saw it drifting. I was supposed to go to Sydney on my boat, was unable to leave,

[0:07:51] Voice 2: and ended up having to go to get to sydney on a 7 a.m meeting there and i had to leave at 4 30 in

[0:07:59] Voice 2: the morning to make it in time so what i'm pointing out is that one of the things you need to do with

[0:08:06] Voice 2: respect to cashy is even if you're going to let the liver boards off the hook you need to adopt

[0:08:12] Voice 2: a permitting procedure for mooring. The mooring balls are totally inadequate, most of them

[0:08:20] Voice 2: on in the marinas or out in the bay. They break free, they're on anchor, some of them,

[0:08:28] Voice 2: and if nothing else, if you guys don't want to do something about the liveaboards,

[0:08:33] Voice 2: you need to do something about the danger that's created by these boats by at least adopting a

[0:08:40] Voice 2: a permit process for mooring, where the mooring has to receive a permit and has to be approved

[0:08:48] Voice 2: for its location and its quality. I can tell you right now that a diver that we've worked with has

[0:08:54] Voice 2: told us probably well less than half of them do not meet the requirements that are set by the

[0:09:03] Voice 2: government in terms of their setting, location, and the quality. If nothing else, let's get that

[0:09:10] Voice 2: problem solved and require that if you're going to be in the marine, you're going to be in our

[0:09:18] Voice 2: docks, or I'm sorry, in our harbor for more than 48 hours at a time, you need to be attached to

[0:09:25] Voice 2: a quality mooring ball that meets the standards that are set and spend a few thousand dollars to

[0:09:33] Voice 2: get somebody to do this because it's a danger. These people do not have insurance.

[0:09:40] Voice 2: and if they hit another boat what's the boat's remedy nothing you need to stop the problem

[0:09:49] Voice 2: before it happens and i have one other point when was the resolution saying no liveaboards

[0:09:57] Voice 2: passed can you tell me it's not a

[0:10:03] Voice 4: resolution it's just the

[0:10:04] Voice 2: bylaw when was

[0:10:06] Voice 2: the bylaws when

[0:10:07] Voice 2: was the bylaw adopted that said no liveaboards in ganges harbor 3

[0:10:11] Voice 7: .19 3

[0:10:13] Voice 2: .19.1 when was it adopted

[0:10:15] Voice 2: well

[0:10:16] Voice 7: the bylaw was adopted in 1999.

[0:10:18] Voice 2: okay so we are now 24 years since you adopted as an as a trust

[0:10:27] Voice 2: to and to have that rule in place have you started enforcing that in 1999

[0:10:34] Voice 2: 1999, or in the last 24 years, we would not have the problem we have today. You have totally

[0:10:42] Voice 2: done everything you can to avoid dealing with a problem that has now gotten totally out of

[0:10:48] Voice 2: control. You need to do something about it. And now's the time. Thank you.

[0:10:54] Voice 8: Hey, thank you for that.

[0:10:58] Voice 6: Right in the front here.

[0:11:00] Voice 6: and i'm going to sit because this is that's fine um my name is glenn stevens i'm the coordinator

[0:11:07] for the caching initiative and

[0:11:10] Voice 6: i have a few questions which i'll keep within the five minutes

[0:11:14] Voice 6: there was a fact sheet that just has been diseased in my knowledge that uh says uh the question is

[0:11:21] Voice 6: is the salt spring island local trust committee bringing in new regulations regarding liverboards

[0:11:27] Voice 6: Are you familiar with this fact sheet that was put on your website?

[0:11:35] Voice 6: I know that there's a new fact

[0:11:38] Voice 5: page on the website, and that they're taking questions and answering them, but I have not seen that particular question answered.

[0:11:52] Voice 6: as of june 22nd 23 ltc meeting following the presentation from a local group

[0:11:58] Voice 6: us the local trustees asked staff to look at the material presented by the group and report back

[0:12:05] Voice 6: at a future meeting the salt spring island land use file will already prohibit use of any vessel

[0:12:12] Voice 6: as a dwelling and it characterizes absolutely

[0:12:15] Voice 6: limited access to the community.

[0:12:17] Voice 6: Actually, enforcement of regulations related

[0:12:21] Voice 6: to unlawful dwellings of Salt Spring Island

[0:12:23] Voice 6: local trust areas such as Livermore are not enforced

[0:12:28] Voice 6: because of a Salt Spring Island local trust committee's

[0:12:30] Voice 6: standing resolution to not enforce, quote,

[0:12:34] Voice 6: until there are safe, secure, appropriate housing options

[0:12:38] Voice 6: that are affordable for all demographics

[0:12:41] Voice 6: and household pipes, end quote.

[0:12:45] Voice 6: This resolution does not apply.

[0:12:47] Voice 6: The regulation is intended to protect,

[0:12:49] Voice 6: ensure health and safety, appropriate sewage disposal,

[0:12:53] Voice 6: pollution, location in environmentally sensitive areas

[0:12:57] and unpermitted campgrounds.

[0:13:00] Who

[0:13:00] Voice 6: said this quote?

[0:13:01] Voice 6: Where was that taken from?

[0:13:03] I'll respond to that.

[0:13:05] Voice 7: There is a standing resolution that essentially says verbatim

[0:13:09] Voice 7: what you just read out.

[0:13:10] Voice 7: so that's where it comes from that ending resolution but does not

[0:13:15] Voice 6: include that quote

[0:13:16] Voice 6: about are not what i just read until they are safe secure it includes the conditions it says

[0:13:22] Voice 6: that it will be safe but it does not include

[0:13:25] Voice 7: that quote i'm not sure what the difference

[0:13:27] Voice 7: is between a quote and a a regulation it essentially paraphrased the standing resolution

[0:13:34] Voice 7: that no dwellings until

[0:13:36] Voice 6: it adds a lot until there are safe secure appropriate housing options

[0:13:40] Voice 6: that are affordable for all demographics and household types.

[0:13:42] Voice 6: The reason I'm raising that is it's a quote.

[0:13:45] Voice 6: It has to be attributed to someone who wrote it.

[0:13:47] Voice 6: And I'm wondering, since I'm looking at the trustees,

[0:13:50] Voice 6: whether they put it forth or you decided to put it in as a staff member.

[0:13:54] Voice 6: And secondly, it seems to be that this, you know,

[0:14:01] Voice 6: you're saying until all housing is allowable or affordable for demographics,

[0:14:05] Voice 6: graphics you're never going to enforce this file so is that correct reading as i'm reading it and

[0:14:15] Voice 6: again who put the quote in that's my question the quote mr yes well the question is regarding

[0:14:25] Voice 6: the policy and standing resolution list

[0:14:28] Voice 8: as

[0:14:29] Voice 6: amended by the ltc the last time was uh february 15 2022

[0:14:37] Voice 6: and it reads that the salt spring island olympic trust committee endorsed the housing action

[0:14:41] Voice 6: program task force recommendation to amend standing resolution ss02021109 to state that

[0:14:49] Voice 6: enforcement activities will be deferred for all existing unlawful dwellings being used for

[0:14:53] Voice 6: residential purposes until there are safe secure appropriate housing options that are affordable

[0:14:59] Voice 6: for all demographics and household types in perpetuity except in the following circumstances

[0:15:05] Voice 6: and i appreciate

[0:15:06] Voice 6: that because that

[0:15:07] Voice 7: is the exact language thank

[0:15:08] Voice 6: you for answering that question so

[0:15:11] Voice 6: the question again is is your intent to again follow that violence because quite frankly i

[0:15:18] Voice 6: don't know how you're ever going to achieve that that goal which is an admirable goal and terrific

[0:15:24] Voice 6: but it does mean that to us that the regulation about unlawful dwelling which we want to change

[0:15:31] Voice 6: change. We want to make it legal so that people can live in the harbor, but comply with laws

[0:15:36] Voice 6: and regulations for keeping it clean and the like. How are you going to achieve that goal?

[0:15:42] Voice 6: Is that your goal, to just keep not enforcing doing anything until that goal is accomplished?

[0:15:49] Voice 6: Yeah, thank you. Trustee Patrick?

[0:15:52] Voice 4: As I was present when that change was made, the reason we added those words in there was

[0:15:57] Voice 4: with the question of well when do you stop our second when do you stop our secondary rental

[0:16:03] Voice 4: market on this island completely relies on illegal housing on land and water and the point of that

[0:16:13] Voice 4: was we wanted to get serious about solving the issue and getting some units available to people

[0:16:19] Voice 4: that are more diverse than just the single family home so that clause was put in there to say this

[0:16:25] Voice 4: is serious we got to get to work on solving this issue and providing reverse housing on asylum

[0:16:31] Voice 6: wouldn't it make sense then and again as part of your your goal is to allow them to avoid

[0:16:39] Voice 6: putting imposing the regulations as granted permit scheme and also

[0:16:42] Voice 6: passports of 505 30 just as a thought um but that's that's because we want to make housing

[0:16:50] Voice 6: and available to all so that they're safe and secure and .

[0:16:56] Voice 6: The second thing I wanted to ask, because I've only been on the cycle for about five

[0:17:02] Voice 6: years or so, is since the bio-world was put into play in 1999, and maybe we'll do it in

[0:17:13] Voice 6: 2018, we want to build on a foundation of success.

[0:17:18] Voice 6: success, okay? Could you share with me, since 2018, what do you feel are the successes for

[0:17:25] Voice 6: keeping the harbor clean and safe? What has been done by the trust to ensure those two goals?

[0:17:36] Voice 3: Would

[0:17:37] Voice 8: you like to?

[0:17:42] Voice 6: It's a rhetorical question in

[0:17:44] Voice 4: many ways, in that the situation that we see in the harbor is a

[0:17:48] Voice 4: massive symptom to a problem that we've been avoiding in this community for decades we have

[0:17:56] Voice 4: not dealt with the housing issue reports back to 1994 identifying the challenges of housing and

[0:18:04] Voice 4: that for this community to get on it to get planning like every community we all seem to

[0:18:10] Voice 4: have just kept hunting this problem down the road so we have a large symptom to

[0:18:17] Voice 6: a serious problem

[0:18:18] Voice 6: okay so just so i'm following we've had no success of what you're saying in dealing with the housing

[0:18:25] Voice 6: problem or you know which is to cleanly say there's no action by the trust that has

[0:18:32] Voice 6: resolved that or how can i say been worked successfully towards addressing that situation

[0:18:40] Voice 6: is that what you're saying all

[0:18:44] Voice 4: i can say at the beginning of my term we did initiate holding

[0:18:47] Voice 4: holding meetings about the harbor

[0:18:49] Voice 4: with all of the jurisdictions

[0:18:51] Voice 4: that have authority in the harbor.

[0:18:53] Voice 4: The pandemic hit.

[0:18:56] Voice 4: It kind of deferred our attention from that matter

[0:19:00] Voice 4: and we're back at it again,

[0:19:03] Voice 4: having conversations and looking at what's being done, but.

[0:19:07] Voice 6: My last question, thank you.

[0:19:09] Voice 6: My last question is,

[0:19:10] Voice 6: when might we expect the staff report

[0:19:13] Voice 8: on the initiative that we proposed?

[0:19:15] Voice 8: propose I don't think that I have a clear timeline

[0:19:24] Voice 7: on it to be honest with you um I think that we

[0:19:26] Voice 7: have a number of large projects in the budget cycle coming up so we're working through those

[0:19:31] Voice 7: uh where as Mr Mingle indicated at the outset we are down to staff members in our office right now

[0:19:37] Voice 7: so our ability to advance things while continuing to improve development and advance the direct

[0:19:43] reward that LPC has asked us to address um means

[0:19:47] Voice 6: that some of this work needs to be prioritized

[0:19:53] Voice 6: so the answer is really you don't have a time frame at this point

[0:19:57] Voice 6: i believe that's what he said yeah i just want to follow because it's important to us and

[0:20:04] Voice 6: to the community and would you share with us um when you do assign a staff member to um who's

[0:20:12] Voice 6: leading or responsible for getting to the point that so we might be able to speak with that person

[0:20:18] Voice 6: I mean, we want to be cooperative with the trust because we do think it benefits the entire island, all stakeholders.

[0:20:27] Voice 6: So would you be willing to share it with us or me or my colleague?

[0:20:34] Voice 6: We've been asked to review and report back to the LTC in an open

[0:20:39] Voice 7: meeting on the significant submission that your group has provided.

[0:20:46] Voice 7: it, that discussion can happen, should probably go, as has been touched on by LTC, unless

[0:20:54] LTC wishes to otherwise direct me, should come back to LTC directly and discuss it in

[0:21:00] open meeting.

[0:21:03] Voice 6: Okay, so the answer is you're going to go, you'll present it to the trust in an open

[0:21:08] Voice 6: meeting, and that's an opportunity for us to speak or understand it at that time, as

[0:21:13] Voice 6: supposed to be speaking with you earlier

[0:21:15] Voice 6: to perhaps provide information

[0:21:17] Voice 6: for H-Law

[0:21:19] Voice 6: or ADA or other ones?

[0:21:22] Voice 5: I think, I mean,

[0:21:24] Voice 5: in general, just to

[0:21:25] Voice 5: state my understandings

[0:21:28] Voice 5: that this will, when the

[0:21:30] Voice 5: report's prepared,

[0:21:32] Voice 5: it'll come to the local trust committee.

[0:21:34] Voice 5: The

[0:21:35] Voice 5: what happens during the

[0:21:37] Voice 5: assembling of the report,

[0:21:39] Voice 5: it may or may not involve

[0:21:41] Voice 5: all you know uh talk talking to

[0:21:44] Voice 6: your group that that's just something so we want to provide

[0:21:48] Voice 6: something natural information to just provide you understand it will not be provided you have it

[0:21:55] Voice 6: mr chair i i uh i

[0:21:59] Voice 7: respectfully suggest that our our staff are capable of providing you with

[0:22:02] planning advice um if uh and then again that's discussed

[0:22:06] Voice 7: in the public so if a member of the

[0:22:07] Voice 7: public felt that um they wanted to add to that i imagine that that would be there would be ample

[0:22:12] Voice 7: of time to speak to that uh develop dc chose to advance the time of the report uh we will

[0:22:17] Voice 7: obviously provide a range of options for you to pursue that okay

[0:22:21] Voice 5: thank you

[0:22:23] Voice 5: and i'm going to move

[0:22:24] Voice 5: on uh now i was uh yes here in the hat uh as

[0:22:29] Voice 6: for the uh uh the uh the polls that you can put on

[0:22:37] Voice 6: your site in regards to what you're talking about uh when it uh it's going to have a standing

[0:22:43] Voice 6: resolution to not enforce for the housing problem but it does say that the resolution does not apply

[0:22:52] Voice 6: to regulations intended to protect nature that obviously is being approached with its sewage

[0:22:56] Voice 6: disposal and pollution so if you're going to allow the housing which that's fine

[0:23:10] Voice 6: that the sewage is not part of that's that state i'd say that's correct so

[0:23:19] Voice 6: you have a day that you would start to enforce the sewage disposal for a plan for this if that's not

[0:23:28] Voice 6: part of it i don't know that we have a a day i don't think that's uh maybe i look to staff in

[0:23:37] Voice 6: certain stuff uh jurisdiction for sewage i mean it's not just gandhi's harbor it's comedian law

[0:23:45] Voice 7: so this is um mr chair this is a really challenging inter-jurisdictional issue

[0:23:50] Voice 7: part of the challenge of gandhi's harbor uh with liverports is um even i know that we both uh

[0:23:59] Voice 7: saw islands trust out both the rcp have both been trying to determine what exactly is going on so

[0:24:06] Voice 7: So there is a lack of clarity around,

[0:24:08] Voice 7: like these are not registered addresses.

[0:24:10] Voice 7: We can, when it comes to the fire service,

[0:24:13] Voice 7: you know, that we know exactly what's a house,

[0:24:16] Voice 7: what's not a house.

[0:24:17] Voice 7: You know, we have building information that we can.

[0:24:20] Voice 7: That doesn't exist in the harbour forest.

[0:24:22] Voice 7: We have no real good information.

[0:24:25] Voice 7: So there is some indication that there's a number of boats

[0:24:30] Voice 7: that people aren't actually living in,

[0:24:31] Voice 7: but that may be serving as more than one vessel.

[0:24:36] Voice 7: uh involved these are things that our our staff continue to work to uh sort of inventory and

[0:24:43] Voice 7: identify this real challenge for us um so to move to the next step of engagement or you know in

[0:24:50] Voice 7: terms of whether or not we enforce or how we address those concerns um is really difficult

[0:24:56] Voice 7: and really resource intensive so it's something that you know our bylaws deal with within a wider

[0:25:03] Voice 7: case load. So I think right now, you know, we're in the middle of summer, it is it is a challenging

[0:25:09] Voice 7: time. But we're, we are really up there working as best we can to get get the information. And if

[0:25:15] there are, you know, priority enforcement

[0:25:18] Voice 7: issues, then that's, that's what we'll need to assess on

[0:25:21] Voice 7: an ongoing basis. Okay, so do you, does the trust understand

[0:25:26] Voice 6: that probably the vast majority of

[0:25:30] Voice 6: I think that's pretty common knowledge, the issue of the ocean

[0:25:37] Voice 7: in the harbor and where it's coming from is a good understanding of that, solving the issue is a very challenging one.

[0:25:45] Voice 7: If

[0:25:45] Voice 2: you want to know about boats, I can tell you 10 boats right now that have little

[0:25:48] Voice 5: boats on them and I can show them to you.

[0:25:50] Voice 6: I'm

[0:25:51] Voice 5: just going to ask you to not speak up out of turn, please.

[0:25:55] Voice 5: Okay, so when it

[0:25:59] Voice 6: says that the proposal went to staff, is staff plural or is that just one person that's making decisions too?

[0:26:11] Voice 5: When we refer something to staff, we refer it in a general way and regional planning manager is the lead on the Salt Spring team.

[0:26:20] Voice 5: And I don't know if you want to add any more to

[0:26:23] Voice 7: that or me.

[0:26:24] Voice 7: Well, just to clarify, yeah, I work with Mr. Dingman, our bound enforcement manager, and then we do have a bylaw enforcement officer who works on island.

[0:26:35] We also provide support.

[0:26:36] We also do engage with the federal government and the provincial government on this issue, and it's hard to get attention to it at those other levels of government, and

[0:26:47] Voice 6: we do also liaise with the RCMP as well.

[0:26:54] Voice 5: okay okay and did i see another hand in the back on this side right yes you in the back and then

[0:27:00] Voice 5: i'll come to you over here next all the

[0:27:02] Voice 6: citizen uh i'd like to talk a little bit about the governance

[0:27:09] Voice 6: situation and about the documents review committee and the stage that they're at whether or not the

[0:27:18] Voice 6: does the committee have

[0:27:21] Voice 6: any mandates to maybe have a look at the actual structure of the situation

[0:27:28] Voice 6: where we have two local people and one who comes from an island that's maybe 300 votes

[0:27:36] Voice 6: who's going to decide whether the government's committee has any mandate to look at that

[0:27:45] Voice 5: change

[0:27:46] Voice 6: uh

[0:27:48] Voice 5: thank you for the question it's uh it's not really pertinent to the business of

[0:27:53] Voice 5: this local trust committee specifically but uh uh i am a member of the governance committee as

[0:27:59] Voice 5: as well as uh trustee harris and and uh trustee patrick so in fact all three of us sit on the

[0:28:08] Voice 5: committee i'll just say that the the work of the governance committee uh at this point um

[0:28:15] Voice 5: there it is available the working matrix at this point uh that the committee has prioritized

[0:28:23] Voice 5: based on the uh the report that was uh released from the great northern um that's that's the core

[0:28:32] Voice 5: work of the committee and that the actually governance structure that you're addressing

[0:28:36] Voice 5: in terms of the setup of the local trust committees was not addressed in that report

[0:28:42] Voice 5: um i can't speak to the future of the governance committee it may be that at some point down the

[0:28:49] Voice 5: road that that's addressed by that committee certainly they've uh chosen the committee as

[0:28:56] Voice 5: a whole has chosen the priorities what uh the top uh priority right now is is uh

[0:29:02] Voice 5: developing a corporate planning process uh based on the recommendations uh from the report and um

[0:29:10] Voice 5: and uh looking at uh section three and other trustees want to

[0:29:16] Voice 6: address anything yeah i want

[0:29:17] Voice 6: to say thank you for bringing that um that question forward and um i've heard that question

[0:29:23] Voice 6: from a lot of people in the community and i'll be sure to uh bring that as best i can to the

[0:29:30] Voice 6: governance committee it's a real concern at most many in the community thank you just a factor

[0:29:36] Voice 6: well

[0:29:37] Voice 4: just reminded back in june trust council did pass a resolution to request the province

[0:29:42] Voice 4: to do a review of the animals trust structure uh and the minister answered back going kind

[0:29:48] Voice 4: of threw it back into our lap and that the trust council has scheduled september to

[0:29:52] Voice 4: have that conversation again to revisit requesting the province to do a review

[0:30:00] Voice 6: surely it seems to me that it's a very not very healthy situation

[0:30:04] Voice 6: and speaking

[0:30:11] Voice 5: as the outsider it's it's uh it's it is an awkward situation i've certainly felt

[0:30:16] Voice 5: that within my own community and uh and and coming into a community from outside it's awkward however

[0:30:22] Voice 5: none of us here created this this uh structure it is the province and and uh

[0:30:30] Voice 5: um my my approach is to try and uh approach it with a wide open ears and to make myself available

[0:30:37] Voice 5: to community members who want to talk about the local issues and so feel free to get in touch with

[0:30:44] Voice 5: me if if there's any for everyone for if there's any issues pertaining to salt spring in the

[0:30:51] Voice 5: the business of the local trust committee that you'd like me to hear your your opinion on and

[0:30:56] Voice 5: i

[0:30:57] Voice 6: think over here thank you sir i just had i think just two questions reading the

[0:31:12] Voice 6: uh

[0:31:13] Voice 6: i just wanted to know what bylaw specifically is that is that bylaw number 3.19

[0:31:26] Voice 6: 9. yep it speaks time it's 3.19.1 3.19.1 yeah is that exactly your position

[0:31:41] Voice 6: i don't have i don't have the numbers in front of me but uh

[0:31:53] Voice 8: the

[0:31:53] Voice 4: use is not permitted that's the language we

[0:31:56] Voice 6: use yeah i just i i'm asking what it says

[0:32:00] Voice 6: says yeah he's asking me i want to make sure i have the right file on for instance gentlemen

[0:32:04] Voice 6: seems that i do i'm just asking the chair to confirm that is that right i believe that's

[0:32:11] Voice 6: correct okay now i'm reading that it says no building or structure located over a water

[0:32:18] Voice 6: surface may be used as a dwelling or for warpage of a vessel as a dwelling it goes on from there

[0:32:26] Voice 6: i have a concern that that may not apply to be still a little more concerned about private

[0:32:36] Voice 6: mooring woods that's that's not a structure that's it's over the water it's in the water

[0:32:45] and if you think i'm fully

[0:32:46] Voice 6: you know a little extreme you should look at the bottom of this

[0:32:53] Voice 6: say, an island like the Thetis Island, where it is very, very clear that, and I can read

[0:33:00] Voice 8: you a portion of their

[0:33:01] Voice 8: bylaw, no building, no building or structure located. The use of a permanent residence of a

[0:33:23] Voice 6: vessel anchored, moored, or otherwise secured on the water, that is a prohibited use. So

[0:33:32] Voice 6: So my first concern is that your bylaw, if these gentlemen are concerned about, I doubt

[0:33:41] Voice 6: it, primarily people who are on anchor or attached to a private moorage or private mooring

[0:33:49] Voice 6: mooring, I don't think your bylaw gives you the authority to address that issue to begin

[0:33:57] Voice 6: with.

[0:33:59] Voice 6: So I'd just like to comment on that.

[0:34:01] Voice 6: I mean, that's a lot to comment on, but I think you have a problem with the wildlife.

[0:34:07] Voice 6: The second question I have is that in the same article, it says that the Supreme Court of Canada

[0:34:16] Voice 6: has stated that the island's trust has the legal authority to regulate the land within its

[0:34:22] Voice 6: designated trust area, including the seabed. And I was wondering if I could have a site to that

[0:34:29] Voice 6: that particular case, because I couldn't find that case.

[0:34:34] Voice 6: I can give you this, I can make sure I gave you your name.

[0:34:36] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:34:38] Voice 6: All right, I'll take it from this gentleman.

[0:34:40] Voice 6: Do you have anything to comment on your bylaws here?

[0:34:43] Voice 6: I think you have a weakness in your bylaws.

[0:34:49] So I look

[0:34:50] Voice 5: to staff, but I think that in general,

[0:34:54] Voice 5: bylaws are vetted through the legislative clerks

[0:34:59] Voice 5: seven and

[0:35:01] Voice 6: and i'm not sure that that

[0:35:05] Voice 7: is accurate there but um uh my name is material i'm not sure

[0:35:10] Voice 7: i quite understood the crux of your question around what the challenge of the violet is

[0:35:15] Voice 7: i think the bylaw was aimed at

[0:35:17] Voice 6: docs and i don't think it's that's a structure that's

[0:35:23] Voice 6: group that is over the wall okay this is we're talking about here the concern is with boys uh

[0:35:31] Voice 6: private morning boys they're in one and that's that's not that's not being uh too extreme in

[0:35:42] Voice 6: looking at the interpretation language particularly given like the other types of

[0:35:48] Voice 6: bylaws in other in other violent trust areas it's pretty clear that when they talk about

[0:35:54] Voice 6: they they're specifically talking about structures on the water not over the water

[0:36:01] so you have a problem i think you need to make your violence there right that's what i said

[0:36:05] but i just declare your concern

[0:36:08] Voice 7: is with with buoys being located in the water it's on the water but

[0:36:14] Voice 6: It's not over the water. It's your wording. It's over the water.

[0:36:18] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:36:20] Voice 6: And I don't think it's accidental, but I'm not prepared to argue that you have the jurisdiction to deal with things that are on the water.

[0:36:31] Voice 6: I think you have a problem. You need to look at that before you start looking at permitting, which may be a wonderful idea.

[0:36:42] Voice 6: But before you start looking at authority to do that, you better make sure your bylaws work.

[0:36:48] Mr. Karef, I think what I often find challenging, and

[0:36:53] Voice 7: the topic has been raised tonight of the challenges of working with a 24-year-old bylaw.

[0:36:59] Voice 7: Sorry.

[0:37:00] Voice 7: So there is a lot of challenges.

[0:37:03] Voice 7: I think we struggle with the staff and the community every day at our front counter is dealing with a 24-year-old bylaw.

[0:37:12] um

[0:37:12] Voice 7: typically you know broadly speaking uh laws bylaws and all kinds of communication formats

[0:37:18] Voice 7: are moving towards more plain language um and this sort of reflects the type of bylaw that

[0:37:24] Voice 7: would have been written back in 1999 it's a bit overwritten but again the role of planners here

[0:37:30] Voice 7: is to determine um you know to some extent um what this is interpreted to say it's it's fairly clear

[0:37:38] Voice 7: to me over under i don't think this is intended to apply to a low flying helicopter that someone

[0:37:43] Voice 7: is living in uh which is the only thing i can think of which sort of stays in the water

[0:37:46] Voice 7: um it it clearly pertains to living in vessels uh refers to vessels specifically so there's i'm not

[0:37:53] Voice 7: too concerned about the applicability of this bylaw except for the fact that there is a standing

[0:37:57] Voice 7: resolution in place at this time that essentially directs us not to proceed on this i think that

[0:38:03] Voice 7: your resolution is to

[0:38:05] Voice 6: apply to people who were more or attached from permanent residence basically

[0:38:11] Voice 6: on a dog that makes sense that falls into your guidelines what we're talking about here in the

[0:38:18] Voice 6: concerns that you should have is with respect to private boring boys and boats that are in anger

[0:38:26] Voice 6: for their permanent residence and my guess is that you don't have the authority to do this

[0:38:33] Voice 6: that's probably pretty federal jurisdiction and it's no accident that it referred to maybe refer

[0:38:38] Voice 6: to somebody over the water as somebody that's on an open water you need to have a look at that

[0:38:45] Voice 6: before you go any further with these people's concerns it's you've got a problem okay thank

[0:38:53] Voice 6: you for that and show of hands anyone else that would like to speak yes it's just a question

[0:39:01] Voice 6: that i think of just a question about the uh important timelines understanding that they're

[0:39:07] Voice 6: the timeline i was just wondering if it would be possible to understand

[0:39:12] Voice 6: whether they consider this a priority i don't know everything's a priority but clearly they

[0:39:20] Voice 6: think that as within their partner and that's just more of course that

[0:39:28] Voice 6: prestige you know our biggest priority at this point is housing

[0:39:34] Voice 6: without that we have nothing so this is clearly a very important issue but housing

[0:39:40] Voice 6: in my opinion is our greatest priority

[0:39:51] Voice 8: okay uh any

[0:39:54] Voice 6: other questions yes sir yeah i wanted to address the general over here

[0:40:03] Voice 6: yes okay michael went to drip last week it was maliciously untied

[0:40:11] Voice 6: someone had taken the reform lines attached to it and it was taken away and i went to the

[0:40:18] Voice 6: private office and the same thing had

[0:40:21] Voice 5: happened so two days i'm i'm i'm just gonna stop you for

[0:40:26] Voice 5: a moment and i understand uh your your interest here but um and you might have missed this uh

[0:40:33] Voice 5: when you came in but what we love what this forum is about what we'd like is for you to address

[0:40:39] Voice 5: questions or comments to the local trust committee okay so if if you if you want to

[0:40:45] Voice 5: have a conversation with this gentleman about that that's fine but this isn't the forum for that

[0:40:51] Voice 5: okay well i'm thinking that yeah same no thank

[0:40:54] Voice 6: you observation okay yeah so there were two

[0:40:57] Voice 6: boats untied they weren't in peril coming nice they were maliciously well my

[0:41:04] Voice 6: was okay it was maliciously untied left with property or it was stolen okay it ended up on

[0:41:12] Voice 6: the other side of the water okay

[0:41:15] Voice 8: and that was the second one in a week right so that's because

[0:41:25] Voice 8: a boat

[0:41:25] Voice 6: ends up floating out there doesn't mean something's wrong in this case it certainly wasn't

[0:41:34] Voice 6: trustee i'm just curious as to where was it untied from

[0:41:37] Voice 6: wrong um i i had another vote it was tied to it you're right yes

[0:41:45] Voice 8: but no it wasn't a problem

[0:41:48] Voice 8: i had just moved there two days before okay thank you for that is there anyone else with

[0:41:59] Voice 6: the questions or comments yes sir this is completely different i think um okay so our

[0:42:05] Voice 6: person would you i'd like to ask your opinion all of you including staff and and maybe get

[0:42:10] Voice 6: some insight on your feelings on invasive species on the island and using the Island's Trust to,

[0:42:18] Voice 6: for want of a better word, police certain properties that are infested with invasive species.

[0:42:27] Voice 6: There was a very interesting letter written a couple of weeks ago in the

[0:42:30] Voice 6: record about a channel bridge major property up there and the problem with the wound

[0:42:36] and how it is percolating and the owner who is

[0:42:39] Voice 6: an off island owner really does nothing about it

[0:42:43] Voice 6: i know i was interested to find that the crd actually has some provisions to actually go in

[0:42:49] Voice 6: and deal with properties that are being totally neglected but under your mandate i think that

[0:42:57] Voice 6: i'm not having my own knowledge about uh invasive cdc being a problem yeah i'm very familiar with

[0:43:03] Voice 6: a situation on the scene for example i'd just like to know where you're at with it i mean are there

[0:43:09] Voice 6: any mechanisms to deal with properties that just allow room blackwood and other major

[0:43:19] Voice 6: plant infestations to be dealt with it's a good question uh

[0:43:24] Voice 5: i think i would seek some uh advice

[0:43:27] Voice 5: any advice from staff in terms of jurisdiction?

[0:43:31] Voice 5: Yeah, so

[0:43:32] Voice 7: I will say this is probably one of the most,

[0:43:36] Voice 7: the largest pieces of equipment the Onyx Trust owns.

[0:43:38] Voice 7: So in terms of actually going out and physically managing invasive species,

[0:43:42] Voice 7: that's certainly not something the Onyx Trust does.

[0:43:44] Voice 7: We don't have vehicles, we don't have shovels.

[0:43:46] Voice 7: We certainly don't have spray packs.

[0:43:49] Invasive species are noted in the legislation being explicitly,

[0:43:53] and rightly so, under the jurisdiction of regional districts.

[0:43:55] Invasive species

[0:43:57] Voice 7: are a regional problem that they take from place to place at the regional

[0:44:03] Voice 7: level and the local level of government to deal with them.

[0:44:07] Voice 7: In terms specifically of the tools available to Island Trust, in my experience, this can

[0:44:13] Voice 7: be dealt with through environmental protection of PVPs or development permitting provisions.

[0:44:19] Voice 7: One thing that I have noted is quite often biologists in assessing a site will note the presence of invasive species and provide suggestions for removing and replanting as part of the development process to cover that.

[0:44:34] Voice 7: Those are ad hoc, very small scale measures in terms of, you know, addressing invasive species en masse and actively going out and removing.

[0:44:43] Voice 7: moving. Things like room busters, you know, on the ground community action and, you know,

[0:44:48] Voice 7: regional services around invasive species management are probably best handled through

[0:44:53] Voice 7: the regional district.

[0:44:55] Voice 7: It's

[0:44:55] Voice 6: more of a reason because, you know, again, you're driven by a complaint-based

[0:45:00] Voice 6: bylaws system where if somebody complains about somebody doing something against a bylaw,

[0:45:05] Voice 6: you have the ability to send bylaw enforcement officers onto the property and you have the

[0:45:10] Voice 6: ability to issue funds if there are any provisions within the animal trust act that you have for

[0:45:15] Voice 6: properties that have um serious problems there

[0:45:22] Voice 7: isn't any regulation and again unless unless a

[0:45:26] Voice 7: bylaw at the top that addresses invasive species management proactively through through um through

[0:45:31] Voice 7: development regulation that's really our cast tool uh off the top of my head and there may be other

[0:45:36] Voice 7: examples there um and it's if you know if it's part of the scope of a of a bylaw revision then

[0:45:44] Voice 7: certainly

[0:45:44] Voice 8: uh looking to be invested here okay thanks any other questions or comments yes sir

[0:45:57] Voice 6: um in the in any of the salt spring harbors in regards to boats or warnings

[0:46:06] Voice 6: Do they have any example of ever enforcing any

[0:46:11] Voice 8: piece of the bylaw ever?

[0:46:16] Voice 8: I don't

[0:46:19] Voice 6: have any examples on hand.

[0:46:24] Voice 6: In the harbour?

[0:46:26] Voice 6: In any Salt Spring harbour, has any bylaw ever in history been enforced?

[0:46:33] Voice 6: I

[0:46:36] Voice 4: do know, I can remember

[0:46:38] Voice 4: very early in the term

[0:46:41] Voice 4: that they had ticketed

[0:46:42] Voice 4: one of the

[0:46:44] Voice 4: structures, the built structures

[0:46:47] Voice 4: but

[0:46:48] Voice 4: the whole ticketing system is really built

[0:46:51] Voice 4: on assets and money

[0:46:52] Voice 4: and addresses and

[0:46:54] Voice 4: court cases and all of these things

[0:46:56] Voice 4: so it's a challenge

[0:46:58] Voice 4: I know, but I said they did

[0:47:00] Voice 4: enforce upon one of the structures

[0:47:03] Voice 4: last term that I'm aware of

[0:47:06] Voice 4: could have been others but

[0:47:06] Voice 8: i know at least one right

[0:47:12] Voice 6: if i may mr chair i mean our bylaw

[0:47:15] Voice 6: enforcement service is not a bootstrapping type of organization um they're going out and seeking

[0:47:22] compliance by and large and by and large in most cases

[0:47:26] Voice 7: the vast majority of cases are resolved

[0:47:28] Voice 7: without having to resolve to resort to ticketing and that's really the ideal you know just working

[0:47:34] Voice 7: on compliance uh and engaging directly with with people who may not be aware of the regulations

[0:47:40] Voice 7: That's really the enforcement approach, unless there is a lack of compliance.

[0:47:45] Voice 7: Those are within the capacity of the

[0:47:48] Voice 6: Islands Trust, given the resource that we have.

[0:47:54] Voice 6: Just a quick question.

[0:47:56] Voice 6: I think it's fine when 2.6.1 says that enforcement officers or their delegates can enter onto land,

[0:48:03] Voice 6: that you still would wait for a lot actually um correctly to um see if the um if by the

[0:48:12] Voice 6: ones have been either by which does that also include both vessels so that provision i mean

[0:48:21] in in my experience case law typically indicates that file officers can enter onto land um

[0:48:28] and

[0:48:28] Voice 7: i i would assume that this addresses water as well i mean it's it's if it's not a lot it's

[0:48:35] Voice 7: ground land right on the water um and for most other places too so there really isn't much limit

[0:48:41] um for where they can

[0:48:42] Voice 7: go however entering onto private property is a bit dicey when it comes to

[0:48:48] Voice 7: um private dwellings so um you know the question of boats i would say it's just simply property

[0:48:55] Voice 7: um but you know in terms of houses um file officer is walking around back and looking

[0:49:00] Voice 7: in windows it's not appropriate um they'd mostly be just looking at site level issues

[0:49:05] Voice 7: uh and for the most part our values are knocking on doors and trying to get all the people

[0:49:09] Voice 7: uh before going on for land as well there are plans that you say there's a follow-up report

[0:49:15] that says your knowledge has that um allowance

[0:49:20] Voice 6: for seeing if something's in compliance with

[0:49:24] Voice 6: or more ever been done with vessels involved by enforcement officers i'm

[0:49:31] Voice 7: not aware if direct

[0:49:32] Voice 7: enforcement has occurred um but i have noted that they have gone out um and worked at inventorying

[0:49:39] Voice 7: and identifying um and engaging directly with people living on the water the reason i'm asking

[0:49:45] Voice 7: the question is according to the state

[0:49:46] Voice 6: about not enforcing the bylaw against well it does say

[0:49:51] Voice 6: they accept the certain circumstances.

[0:49:53] Voice 6: So it gets into the thought of how do you check

[0:49:58] Voice 6: whether there were violations occurring,

[0:50:00] Voice 6: which is why I raised the inspection,

[0:50:03] Voice 6: or does it take a complaint

[0:50:08] in a bi-law enforcement

[0:50:09] Voice 6: officer to go out

[0:50:11] Voice 6: to the vessel if there is an issue?

[0:50:16] Voice 6: Do you need, is the trust on its own

[0:50:19] Voice 6: that bi-law enforcement officers are going to go out

[0:50:22] Voice 6: and inspect vessels to see if they are in fact in compliance with the state requirements or does it

[0:50:30] Voice 6: take a site-based complaint to get a bylaw of

[0:50:33] Voice 7: officer to go out i don't think they're not

[0:50:36] Voice 7: entering onto vessels they've gone out in water taxis they've talked to people but no they haven't

[0:50:42] Voice 7: been doing compliance checks so how do

[0:50:44] Voice 6: how does the trust how is the trust going to um find out

[0:50:51] Voice 6: whether or not a vessel is in compliance with the resolution that you have that it's not

[0:50:57] Voice 6: supposed to waste inappropriately that it's not impeding navigation how is the trust going to

[0:51:03] Voice 6: find out about that enforce its own bylaw let me i just heard a question that i don't know

[0:51:09] Voice 6: if it was answered and i don't know the answer to it but you asked what does it take to get

[0:51:14] Voice 6: by law enforcement out is is it a complaint driven and i said and i don't know but if a

[0:51:21] Voice 6: boat has a registration number can somebody then complain about it just says somebody has an

[0:51:26] Voice 6: address i'm assuming that a registration number could be given with the complaint but is that

[0:51:32] Voice 6: the case what will the staff we're

[0:51:37] Voice 8: still certain like we are still seeking legal clarity on this

[0:51:40] Voice 8: that was part of the process um but

[0:51:42] Voice 7: i mean i it's it is challenging a lot of those registrations

[0:51:47] Voice 7: those are the registration numbers that my understanding is and then looking into them they

[0:51:51] Voice 7: have usually previous owners so um they're not finding it's just not a very solid trail to find

[0:51:57] Voice 7: it is a really challenging enforcement area um to address yeah the reason

[0:52:03] Voice 6: i'm asking just

[0:52:03] Voice 6: to collect it is that you have a stay in force which has certain conditions that are an exception

[0:52:08] Voice 6: to the state and the question very simply is how is the trust going to inform or make sure

[0:52:14] Voice 6: sure that those conditions are not being violated, and whether they face, again, standing somebody

[0:52:20] Voice 6: else to inspect by 2.6.1, or a complaint, and I don't know, I'm asking, otherwise,

[0:52:27] Voice 6: if you're saying it's still under legal review, it says to me that you've enacted a resolution

[0:52:33] Voice 6: if you haven't checked on whether it's legally enforceable.

[0:52:38] Voice 6: no no not at all um the the the standing

[0:52:43] Voice 7: resolution stands as it is um what we are

[0:52:47] Voice 7: seeking clarity on is our ability to there's a number of legal questions that we have around

[0:52:51] Voice 7: enforcing on the water because as trustee patrick indicated earlier it's not something that's been

[0:52:56] Voice 7: directly addressed historically so um beginning that process is not something that simply comes

[0:53:02] Voice 7: from nothing um it's it's something that needs to be sorted out and meted out and i think what

[0:53:07] Voice 7: you know at the end of the day i think we do need to have really good clear understanding of our

[0:53:11] Voice 7: legal footing um the last thing i would want to do is take drastic tactical action the last thing i

[0:53:17] Voice 7: would recommend to this lgc anyways to take drastic tactical action face legal consequences

[0:53:21] Voice 7: in the future so these are the challenges i mean in order in the in the name of prudence that we

[0:53:25] Voice 7: have to take to um address the issue of human being um living in boats um determining whether

[0:53:33] or not that's that's something that we can do you have that one case where you trust that they've

[0:53:38] been for more than you don't even you can't say first

[0:53:41] Voice 6: because versus the game is the game

[0:53:44] Voice 6: just you know to comment on trustee harris's question that

[0:53:58] Voice 6: The trust is a complaint-based organization.

[0:54:02] Voice 6: Our bylaws are enforced primarily through complaints,

[0:54:07] given that there is a challenge to ensure that we can enforce

[0:54:11] on

[0:54:12] Voice 6: a complaint on a harbor.

[0:54:13] Voice 6: I would say that.

[0:54:15] Voice 6: But in general, our bylaw officers are at capacity

[0:54:20] Voice 6: just meeting the requests of complaints that come into our office.

[0:54:27] Voice 6: That's where they work towards those

[0:54:30] Voice 7: identified issues.

[0:54:32] Voice 6: The LTC has passed the STBR resolution so that we are proactive on STBRs.

[0:54:40] Voice 6: And so there are opportunities for the file officers to be proactive.

[0:54:48] And then that stipulation 2.6.1

[0:54:52] Voice 6: allows an officer that if they see something completely egregious in their work, they are allowed to enforce the rules.

[0:55:04] Voice 6: So it doesn't have to be complaint-based, but the capacity of the officers at this time is maxed out just based on the complaints that are in the system already.

[0:55:16] Voice 7: not not to say that your issue isn't significant and shouldn't be addressed but it is you know

[0:55:22] Voice 7: it

[0:55:22] Voice 6: is a complaint-based system that's working as quickly as possible thank you

[0:55:29] Voice 5: yeah i would

[0:55:31] Voice 5: add that trust council in march was highly reluctant to add additional bylaw enforcement

[0:55:37] Voice 5: staff members so

[0:55:39] Voice 6: how many enforcement officers do you guys have and where

[0:55:44] Voice 2: do we if we have a

[0:55:45] Voice 2: complain how

[0:55:47] Voice 6: do we contact the officer or how do we get the information to the officer what's the

[0:55:53] Voice 6: process and answer that yes so we have a manager and three enforcement officers for all 14 islands

[0:56:03] Voice 6: we have our office at any time if you call the salt

[0:56:08] Voice 6: spring office we will

[0:56:09] Voice 7: do our best to connect

[0:56:11] Voice 7: you with the officer that's assigned to salt spring

[0:56:13] Voice 6: of the of the core staff one is assigned

[0:56:16] Voice 6: completely to salt spring and he's very responsive and would speak with you to the best of his

[0:56:25] Voice 7: abilities when he's available if not in the field we also have a web our website where you under the

[0:56:33] Voice 7: i want to you can report a concern and so at islandstress.bc.ca there's a i want to drop

[0:56:42] down menu and you can report a concern

[0:56:45] Voice 7: there it's a fillable form that will then send a notice to

[0:56:50] Voice 7: the four bylaw enforcement officers you

[0:56:52] Voice 6: know the manager can assign because obviously it's

[0:56:55] Voice 6: for all 14 islands and you receive timely response okay any

[0:57:06] Voice 8: questions

[0:57:07] Voice 6: comments that's

[0:57:08] Voice 8: over here yeah

[0:57:08] Voice 8: um kathy

[0:57:12] Voice 6: harris mentioned that like your number one priority is

[0:57:15] Voice 4: getting housing workforce housing

[0:57:19] Voice 4: so i'm just wondering i'm sorry this like took place in the 10 minutes that i was late or

[0:57:25] Voice 4: something but like wondering if you can give me an idea of like what is being done to provide

[0:57:31] Voice 3: housing you know when like someone working

[0:57:34] Voice 6: at a business on salt spring per se 18 20 an hour can

[0:57:39] Voice 6: expect to be able to actually live here good question well i'm hoping bylaw 530 will be

[0:57:47] Voice 6: passed as quickly as possible not to be a start and

[0:57:51] Voice 4: that's the like temper that's the dwellings

[0:57:54] Voice 4: And it's like for basement seats.

[0:57:55] Voice 4: And I think

[0:57:58] Voice 6: that's really just a drop in the bucket.

[0:58:00] Voice 4: Well,

[0:58:01] Voice 6: yeah, it's like

[0:58:01] Voice 4: all these cottages exist, but the bylaw will like keep them.

[0:58:05] Voice 6: Exactly.

[0:58:07] Voice 4: But

[0:58:07] Voice 6: it's not adding anything.

[0:58:10] Voice 4: No,

[0:58:10] Voice 6: all the more reason to get it passed and let's get on with some bigger fish to fry,

[0:58:14] Voice 6: which, you know, I would love to see some zoning done, you know, on a large scale basis

[0:58:19] Voice 6: basis to facilitate workforce ownership housing projects in the form of building strata, similar to what we see at the Whistler, you know, with Whistler Housing Authority, or Tofino or Cowichan, that's the same type of system going. And what I do, I do have, I'm apprehensive, because I'm seeing how difficult it is to get bylaw 530 through. So if we can't get that through, I really question how the heck we're going to be able to get anything done.

[0:58:51] Voice 6: of any meaning or effect to address the crisis.

[0:58:56] Voice 6: But keep plodding ahead

[0:58:58] Voice 6: and hopefully something will happen.

[0:59:03] Voice 6: And so is there anything that like AIT and CERB citizens

[0:59:07] Voice 4: can do to help push youth violence forward

[0:59:09] Voice 4: and help move things along?

[0:59:12] Voice 4: Like who's-

[0:59:13] Voice 6: I think the more people that get involved

[0:59:16] Voice 6: and organize and bring concerns forward in numbers,

[0:59:22] Voice 6: So it's definitely helped the Adam's Trust, the LTC make a decision, as well as the executive committee, which these things have to go through generally, you know, after the LTC.

[0:59:35] Voice 6: So if there's enough public support, and especially from local First Nations as well, we can, you know, it's going to be difficult for people to turn down these types of initiatives.

[0:59:51] Voice 6: There's other NGOs out there that are clearly fighting against the bananas and they're very

[0:59:57] Voice 6: well organized and have been for a long time.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: that's basically the problem right you're traditionally not the workers it's like you

[1:00:05] Voice 6: know we're working folks have been too busy working trying to pay bills and you know get

[1:00:11] Voice 6: involved in positive endeavors with their families and haven't been involved in this

[1:00:14] Voice 6: political process and um it's traditionally the problem we could get involved and organized

[1:00:21] Voice 6: i think all the better yes patrick you want to add something well

[1:00:26] Voice 4: i think this is a clear place

[1:00:29] Voice 4: what we're hearing about the harbor

[1:00:32] Voice 4: you're experiencing

[1:00:33] Voice 4: trying to find a place

[1:00:34] Voice 4: we haven't dealt with it as a community

[1:00:38] Voice 4: for decades

[1:00:40] Voice 4: Jamie and I are stuck with it

[1:00:42] Voice 4: content

[1:00:44] Voice 4: and yes your support

[1:00:46] Voice 4: is important

[1:00:48] Voice 4: bylaw 530 is just one

[1:00:49] Voice 4: that's just trying to make a path for those

[1:00:52] Voice 4: who want to be landlords and want to do it legally

[1:00:54] Voice 4: that they have a path to do it

[1:00:57] Voice 4: that's important

[1:00:58] Voice 4: important. There's numerous projects that are trying to move forward. The water moratorium has just been very difficult for a multi-family housing project to try to build units on a well. The extra red tape that gets added to a project like that is massive to find the money, but there's been a few

[1:01:19] Voice 4: persistent uh groups that have been able to get some units built but we need more of those

[1:01:26] Voice 4: projects as well uh we have the ocp review that's coming up and i would also encourage we need to

[1:01:33] Voice 4: hear from all voices on the side and hear how important it is here what is the housing it's

[1:01:40] Voice 4: you are a member of this community and we should have housing options that match with our community

[1:01:47] Voice 4: And that's what this opportunity to be LCP should be about.

[1:01:52] Voice 4: Let's make sure we're providing housing for a healthy,

[1:01:57] Voice 4: fully diverse community.

[1:02:02] Voice 6: Doesn't it only take two trustees to

[1:02:05] Voice 8: occupy them?

[1:02:08] Voice 8: Yes, but then it has to go to the executive committee.

[1:02:15] Voice 6: I'd like to add to what you're saying.

[1:02:17] Voice 6: If there were two me's sitting up here, 530 probably would have been pushed quite a lot further than it already has been.

[1:02:29] Voice 6: So with that said, the more people that will get involved in the democratic process, we did have two, we had candidates at the last election, but the more people that get out and vote, and if we can get people like yourself involved in getting people out to vote,

[1:02:46] Voice 6: you know we had 7 000 people that didn't vote on the island and i part of me thinks that those folks

[1:02:52] Voice 6: would really be impacted the most by two like-minded strong backboned trustees but they're

[1:03:01] Voice 6: just these people are just kind of disenfranchised and saying you know what the hell is going to

[1:03:05] Voice 6: change it's been 20 years the trust has only needed housing for all these years right so

[1:03:09] Voice 6: again if we get organized such as these other ngos are and who have been determining our um

[1:03:16] Voice 6: our elections we saw it in the last lcc and um and somewhat you know they've been involved in

[1:03:23] Voice 6: the honest trust elections for years but the more we can get involved better and take part

[1:03:28] Voice 6: in the democratic process and i

[1:03:32] Voice 8: think that will really make some changes all

[1:03:36] Voice 6: right anyone else

[1:03:37] Voice 6: i'm gonna go right to the back there um if if you were if everything is a complaint first of all

[1:03:45] Voice 6: I don't want to make too much of a complaint.

[1:03:48] Voice 6: If the Hull-Gallagher's Trust should be investigated

[1:03:51] Voice 6: in order to conduct a full roll against the violent

[1:03:56] Voice 6: unfortunate for the hypocrisy within the Hull-Gallagher's

[1:04:00] Voice 6: Trust to do with the resulting, even from resulting

[1:04:04] Voice 6: that existing building that they're in.

[1:04:09] Voice 6: What you're talking about, about the boats, the boats

[1:04:13] Voice 6: in the park is that when it seems like to me it's a lot of it is is that it's a problem that was

[1:04:22] Voice 6: created by the trusts in the government to serve the community from the part of housing that's

[1:04:31] Voice 6: from the rock's housing which is out there now you want to destroy what the low-cost housing

[1:04:36] Voice 6: is up in the water and you have no authority

[1:04:39] Voice 6: in regard to the oceans and somebody

[1:04:44] Voice 6: having a boat. And you shouldn't have.

[1:04:47] Voice 6: What you need to be doing is you need to be getting help from people and getting

[1:04:53] Voice 6: them so they can go out there themselves.

[1:04:56] Voice 6: The only reason they're there is because that's the only place

[1:05:00] Voice 6: for them. And when you, you know,

[1:05:04] Voice 6: You know, you talk, talk and forget, you can have meetings and more meetings, but this is, this is new. This is just the inability of the trust to act properly. And, and none of the stuff that the trust is doing, the trust was implemented to rezone property.

[1:05:26] Voice 6: property. It wasn't implemented to

[1:05:30] Voice 8: tell people how to live and where they should live. And

[1:05:36] Voice 8: so you

[1:05:38] Voice 6: don't have enough money, but you got enough, but you seem to have enough money

[1:05:44] Voice 6: to throw the dogs after whoever they want. The violent enforcement and what I'm hearing

[1:05:51] Voice 6: is totally inappropriate and inappropriate to women and any and i've i've said this i don't

[1:05:59] Voice 6: know how many times to the trust members and i can't see i can't seem to feel that you're

[1:06:06] Voice 6: complicit in regards to the actions of the violent enforcement and just because someone's got an

[1:06:13] Voice 6: an accident,

[1:06:14] Voice 8: right? You need to, the trust needs

[1:06:22] Voice 6: to kind of back away from trying to

[1:06:25] Voice 6: adopt, trying to get more things to do, and they need to do what their job is. Right now,

[1:06:31] Voice 6: just to get a subdivision, we're talking about just getting housing for people. Just to get

[1:06:37] Voice 6: a subdivision, the trust is bogged down with any of the development permits for a subdivision.

[1:06:44] Voice 6: they don't have time to do them it's years and years away so why are you worrying about

[1:06:51] Voice 6: creating some other thing for you to do and not only that to do the court cases that you have

[1:06:58] Voice 6: pending 52 court cases pending and every court case you you have to pay a twenty thousand dollar

[1:07:08] Voice 6: to do that so add that up that's a tenth of your budget for the year like what how how can anything

[1:07:21] Voice 6: be so incompetent that some five some five and six-year-olds could go down the ganges

[1:07:29] Voice 6: oh yeah well we should get we should put a planter there we should have we should have

[1:07:35] Voice 6: another parking spot if you're going to be if you're going to help the community help the

[1:07:40] Voice 6: community but the only thing that i see the trust do is every working person here they just hinder

[1:07:48] Voice 6: them and and everybody has to have to be so involved in what you're happening because

[1:07:57] Voice 6: every day you're rolling rocks up and

[1:08:00] Voice 8: they're going to come down on everybody

[1:08:03] Voice 8: and somehow that's okay yeah thank you yeah those are great

[1:08:13] Voice 6: points and i think um you know

[1:08:16] Voice 6: And that's partially why I'm sitting up here, as you guys know, and we've been bringing these points up at Trust Council and other committees.

[1:08:25] Voice 6: And there is a review, you know, there's talk of looking at the whole bylaw enforcement system at the Trust Council level, which is very, very important.

[1:08:34] Voice 6: So the more people we get, you know, stating what you're stating, the better.

[1:08:41] Voice 6: And hopefully go somewhere in the next four years.

[1:08:48] Voice 6: uh right here in yellow and blue yeah uh i guess a slightly different perspective

[1:08:54] Voice 6: i was kind of surprised maybe naive but surprised to find out that there's only one

[1:08:59] Voice 6: bylaw enforcement officer for all of salt spring island uh you know for a local government to

[1:09:07] Voice 6: make it seriously it has to be able to enforce its bylaws and uh that seems

[1:09:13] Voice 6: So, perhaps that's adequate for an 11,000-person island, but it seems, basically, like you're

[1:09:23] Voice 6: totally understaffed.

[1:09:25] Voice 6: And maybe there are areas in your budget, if you're not really enforcing the bylaws

[1:09:29] Voice 6: very much, maybe there are areas in your budget that could be tied and shifted over to ensure

[1:09:34] Voice 6: you've got adequate enforcement.

[1:09:37] Voice 6: I don't know if that's an issue you've already picked around and figured out enough, but

[1:09:44] Voice 6: I don't see it was really odd to be in a place with no kind of real local government, but

[1:09:51] Voice 6: you know, if there's one quick comment to put out this bylaw enforcement brochure,

[1:09:56] Voice 6: the question is, is a local trust committee required to enforce its bylaws?

[1:10:03] Voice 6: No, no local government in BC is required to enforce its bylaws.

[1:10:08] Voice 6: just with the legal requirement require ongoing patrols and considerably more resources at tax

[1:10:15] Voice 6: pays expense if you want to therefore when you have the bylaw it's not going to be enforced

[1:10:20] Voice 6: yeah

[1:10:22] Voice 5: and i'll just note that uh bylaw enforcement as trustee harris uh mentioned has been a

[1:10:28] Voice 5: a hot topic at Trust Council.

[1:10:32] Voice 5: Trust Council has requested

[1:10:35] Voice 5: a review of our bylaw enforcement

[1:10:39] Voice 5: policies and procedures through the BC

[1:10:43] Voice 5: Person's Office, and we're expecting a report

[1:10:48] Voice 5: back, hopefully for September, Trust Council, but I'm not certain that

[1:10:51] Voice 5: that date is going to be met, but we're hoping to receive

[1:10:55] receive that information um

[1:10:58] Voice 5: then and then the other thing for clarity i i i know that i heard

[1:11:03] Voice 5: a bylaw manager and and uh four officers and that one is dedicated to salt spring but

[1:11:11] Voice 5: don't think that i heard that there's only one available for salt spring but there's one

[1:11:17] Voice 5: dedicated is that correct that's correct so there are there are there's at least one here

[1:11:25] Voice 5: that's dedicated to Salt Spring and that others are available.

[1:11:28] Voice 5: I'm going to go into the back there.

[1:11:29] Voice 5: Yes, sir.

[1:11:30] Voice 5: Right in the back.

[1:11:34] Voice 6: I was just going to say, you know, you're talking about staffing.

[1:11:38] Voice 6: You've got to have staff in your company.

[1:11:40] Voice 6: That's the problem.

[1:11:41] Voice 6: One bottle of Corcoran off-surface Salt Spring Island is more than what you need.

[1:11:47] The whole idea is I run back and forth from Salt Spring in my business,

[1:11:51] and I see 10, 12 people a day.

[1:11:56] One guy could be a by-law enforcement officer

[1:12:00] on Salt Spring and

[1:12:01] Voice 6: spend three quarters of his time

[1:12:03] Voice 6: doing sweep, bugger, haul.

[1:12:05] Voice 6: You guys keep wanting to staff up.

[1:12:07] Voice 6: Let's start staffing down.

[1:12:09] Voice 6: Let's get the budget down.

[1:12:10] Voice 6: You guys are here and you're not even going into water.

[1:12:13] Voice 6: It's land use.

[1:12:15] Voice 6: I understand land use is land use,

[1:12:18] Voice 6: and the question is asked about water,

[1:12:19] Voice 6: and they say, well, yeah, water too.

[1:12:21] Voice 6: that's not what you're here for we're here for land use and you guys are here to zone and that's

[1:12:28] Voice 6: what dan said and the comments made and the lady asking about housing eric booth who was billified

[1:12:37] when he was a trustee by lpc saying today we need 3 000 units for

[1:12:44] Voice 6: working people and service

[1:12:47] Voice 6: industry on the island and that was held up as as nonsense the problem is that didn't get done

[1:12:58] what had needed to be done now we're talking about

[1:13:01] Voice 6: 350 the whole thing is those 3,000 people

[1:13:06] Voice 6: they're already here and they don't know where to live and you can't change that it's a requirement

[1:13:13] Voice 6: And the whole thing about a community is you have to provide for that.

[1:13:22] Voice 6: We're not in Larva's Vineyard yet.

[1:13:24] Voice 6: And bringing them off right now, the ferries have a lot of traffic for service people coming

[1:13:30] Voice 6: over the ferries.

[1:13:32] Voice 6: But it's kind of important to do that for $15 an hour show.

[1:13:37] Voice 6: So, you know, get the staff to mow it and start doing planning for the island and land use.

[1:13:45] Instead of

[1:13:46] Voice 6: getting sidetracked on soil, looking at building plans, for instance, and soils by the way,

[1:13:53] Voice 6: and all of these things that weren't in your mandate.

[1:13:58] Voice 6: But you keep working out, you get bigger and bigger and bigger.

[1:14:00] Voice 6: And every time you turn around, you look at the new policy statement, we're going to be looking at the OCP, you guys are going to start trying to set, expand out again, start focusing on, you don't have anything to do in zoning because you don't do any zoning.

[1:14:21] Voice 6: We need re-sowing, we need to look at our community, we need a proper community plan

[1:14:28] so that we can grow and have a use.

[1:14:31] And that doesn't take 20 years, or 50 years

[1:14:35] Voice 6: for that matter, because that's how long you've

[1:14:37] Voice 6: been doing it.

[1:14:38] Voice 6: And you still haven't got a plan.

[1:14:39] Voice 6: You've been cited as incompetent, the trust has been cited as incompetent, and you should

[1:14:45] Voice 6: be looking at that and focus on what your job is.

[1:14:54] Voice 6: okay i couldn't agree more thank you for bringing these things up and i hope these continue to be

[1:14:59] Voice 6: brought up at meetings and maybe even trust council meetings would be great um you know

[1:15:04] Voice 6: i keep what keeps going through my head when i hear comments like this and when i'm at meetings

[1:15:10] Voice 6: and decisions are trying to be you know the trust is trying to make decisions you know

[1:15:16] Voice 6: know, committee meetings, LTCs, special meetings, trust council, the song, there's a hole in my

[1:15:24] Voice 6: bucket, dear Liza, keeps coming to my mind. You know, nothing gets done. If you're familiar with

[1:15:29] Voice 6: the song, it never gets the water because it's a hole in the bucket. And then just an ongoing

[1:15:34] Voice 6: thing. We've been seeing this for decades now. And yeah, I couldn't agree more with what you're

[1:15:41] Voice 6: saying if we can't even get this bylaw 530 through i'm just thinking you know how are we yeah i've

[1:15:48] Voice 6: heard trustee patrick's fate that you know it's been decades needed housing and then covid hit

[1:15:55] Voice 6: but what happened when covid hit i saw the cdf coastal doubles for an associated ecosystems

[1:16:02] Voice 6: project be initiated hard and heavy and that's why i got involved in the whole process and why

[1:16:08] Voice 6: i'm sitting here today to try and protect my livelihood along with hundreds if not thousands

[1:16:13] Voice 6: of other people's lives on the island and i really hope we can make some changes um i've been

[1:16:19] Voice 6: discouraged to a degree at the ltc but um trust council i have some encouragement some of the

[1:16:25] Voice 6: things that have happened so far and um that's thanks for your for coming and saying what you're

[1:16:31] Voice 6: saying keep keep it up please okay excuse sir i just wanted a clarification so this

[1:16:40] Voice 6: 5 30 is being held up because people are not in favor of it

[1:16:46] Voice 6: if i may as far as i know it's because there's a challenge to the official community plan um

[1:16:56] Voice 6: which i don't seem to agree with and then there's a challenge from uh first nations um which you

[1:17:03] Voice 6: You know, we have reached out to First Nations, so I don't really see why it's being held up.

[1:17:07] Voice 6: But, you know, perhaps the Chair and Trustee Patrick could.

[1:17:14] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick?

[1:17:15] Voice 6: The point is, we need to schedule a public hearing.

[1:17:19] Voice 4: We had a little bit more engagement to do with First Nations.

[1:17:23] Voice 4: One of the First Nations had an election occurring.

[1:17:26] Voice 4: We'll let that election occur.

[1:17:28] Voice 4: We'll be engaging with them.

[1:17:29] Voice 4: We hope to have the public hearing.

[1:17:31] Voice 4: The plan is in September.

[1:17:32] Voice 4: And move forward.

[1:17:33] Voice 4: or if

[1:17:34] Voice 6: i may we didn't have to i might have to disagree well we didn't have to it was something

[1:17:38] Voice 6: that was chosen i didn't

[1:17:39] Voice 6: choose i didn't choose that just to be clear whatever i think

[1:17:44] Voice 6: objections well i

[1:17:45] Voice 6: understand that but just you know with all due respect a comment saying we

[1:17:50] Voice 6: had to

[1:17:50] Voice 5: is a bit misleading to well that's it's that's that's an opinion that so exactly in your

[1:17:57] Voice 5: your opinion we didn't have to in trustee uh patrick's opinion it was the pruning thing to do

[1:18:02] Voice 5: and as you know as as what i spoke at the uh the meeting where uh we talked about scheduling the

[1:18:09] Voice 5: public hearing uh i i concurred that the my perspective was that if we want success uh that

[1:18:18] Voice 5: means uh not only local trust committee proceeding but that also means that the bylaw proceeding

[1:18:23] Voice 5: proceeding through the executive committee and I felt also that it was prudent to make sure we had

[1:18:29] Voice 5: done our utmost diligence in terms of of that First Nations uh engagement piece and so um I'm

[1:18:39] Voice 5: certainly not against bylaw 530 and I know I don't I don't want to speak for trusty Patrick but I

[1:18:45] Voice 5: don't believe that she's against bylaw 530 which was I believe what the question was as as whether

[1:18:51] Voice 5: whether we're for it.

[1:18:52] Voice 5: So I think we're all for it.

[1:18:53] Voice 5: The speed, I think is more the variable here.

[1:18:59] Voice 6: So once the First Nations

[1:19:00] Voice 6: we've got that, we've already gone through that process

[1:19:04] Voice 6: and it's just not happening there.

[1:19:08] Voice 5: Well, we have requested that the plan at this point

[1:19:13] Voice 5: is to schedule a public hearing in September,

[1:19:17] Voice 5: if that's feasible.

[1:19:18] Voice 5: So that's where we're at at this moment.

[1:19:21] Voice 5: based on our last meeting we do meet tomorrow um okay so a bunch more hands come

[1:19:26] Voice 6: up well if i may

[1:19:27] Voice 6: just respond we were planning which was my understanding we were going to have the second

[1:19:32] Voice 6: and third reading and it could have been done in my opinion but it hasn't been and it's been

[1:19:40] Voice 6: put off and we'll see what happens okay

[1:19:44] Voice 5: so i saw much more hands up uh i'm gonna go over here this

[1:19:48] Voice 5: gentleman the glass on the head i don't think you spoke yet um so

[1:19:52] Voice 5: with regards to biopark

[1:19:53] Voice 5: 30

[1:19:54] Voice 6: again hearing you know we've got obstacles in place to you know expediting this process

[1:19:58] Voice 6: whether it's first nation whether it's public consultation and all that we're dealing with

[1:20:02] Voice 6: the crisis i mean when we look at a situation like the pandemic the whole world stopped

[1:20:08] Voice 6: because of this crisis that you brought we're in that same crisis when it comes to housing

[1:20:13] Voice 6: housing, workforce shortages, and people living in the streets, living in the boats,

[1:20:18] Voice 6: that we're having that conversation about.

[1:20:20] Voice 6: So we're dragging our feet on making a decision that everybody seems to agree needs to happen,

[1:20:25] Voice 6: but we're going through this process that is taking an unbelievably long time.

[1:20:32] Voice 6: When the goal, everybody can see what the goal is, and that we need to get to that point.

[1:20:36] Voice 6: The provincial government has mandated municipalities to hit targets with regards to affordable housing.

[1:20:44] Voice 6: That doesn't seem to apply to us because we're outside of that government system in terms of your municipality.

[1:20:52] Voice 6: How do we

[1:20:52] Voice 6: get there? How do we

[1:20:53] Voice 6: not wait until September to make this decision?

[1:20:55] Voice 6: How do we

[1:20:56] Voice 6: make this happen now? Because we don't need it. We don't even need it tomorrow.

[1:21:00] Voice 6: We need it eight years from now. So to wait for another three months, four months, ten months, ten years,

[1:21:06] Voice 6: this has to be fixed and it just seems like we continue to get bogged down by the bureaucracy

[1:21:12] Voice 6: and you guys are sitting up there need to do this for us this has to happen

[1:21:18] Voice 6: thank you for that

[1:21:19] Voice 5: uh so another hand over here yes yeah

[1:21:22] Voice 3: um last summer i believe i attended

[1:21:26] Voice 3: of

[1:21:26] Voice 6: a community like hearing for i believe it was 529 the uh the um farm worker

[1:21:37] Voice 4: housing

[1:21:37] Voice 4: and I believe it was one for 5.30 after that.

[1:21:41] Voice 4: The thing is, I had to, like,

[1:21:44] Voice 4: ramble to get to the grocery store

[1:21:46] Voice 4: to, like, grab lunch and, like, take my lunch break

[1:21:48] Voice 4: to come at, like, 1 p.m.

[1:21:51] Voice 4: to talk about, like, how I can work with a farm job.

[1:21:54] Voice 4: Is there going to be effort for this public hearing

[1:21:58] Voice 4: for 5.30 that, like, someone who's actually affected by it,

[1:22:01] Voice 4: someone who's working a day job,

[1:22:03] Voice 4: can actually attend and speak to that?

[1:22:10] Voice 6: um yeah i'm

[1:22:12] Voice 5: going to look to uh mr pingel for with regards with regard to scheduling the public

[1:22:19] Voice 5: hearing well

[1:22:20] Voice 7: so i if i may mr pingel mr chair um just to go over the ways that when we do have a

[1:22:27] Voice 7: public hearing uh residents can provide input that lpc

[1:22:32] Voice 6: members will receive uh to inform their

[1:22:34] Voice 6: decision making so definitely um it's honorable and appreciated that people would want to attend

[1:22:42] an event in person um as members of the public and stated budgets are something that don't want

[1:22:52] to be seen increased holding

[1:22:54] Voice 7: a meeting in the evening is more expensive than holding a meeting

[1:22:57] Voice 7: during the day and so that's why some decisions are made in that way this was an example of the

[1:23:03] Voice 7: the trustees saying that an evening meeting is required

[1:23:06] Voice 6: regardless of cost

[1:23:08] Voice 6: so in the process

[1:23:11] Voice 7: of scheduling the next public hearing the trustees may decide to direct us to hold it in the evening

[1:23:16] Voice 7: but regardless of when the meeting is held any information provided to the trust

[1:23:22] is shared with the trustees so if you write an email that says i support i am opposed

[1:23:33] I whatever that information

[1:23:36] Voice 6: is logged within the public hearing document is shared with the trustees and with the general public.

[1:23:43] Voice 6: And so to be heard as a public, you don't have to be present.

[1:23:50] Voice 6: It's understand that sometimes the face to face is it is beneficial to get the point across a bit better.

[1:23:59] So the trustees will make that decision when the time comes.

[1:24:03] Definitely staff

[1:24:04] Voice 7: were offering to turn this meeting into the public hearing if trustees had gone that way.

[1:24:11] Voice 7: And so we'll work with trustees to ensure best public hearing is provided in the most financially sound method to ensure members of the public don't think that we are doing a terrible job any longer.

[1:24:26] Voice 6: That'd be great.

[1:24:29] Voice 5: Okay, I see a hand here. I thought I saw a hand back there. Yeah, back here, and then I'll come up to you.

[1:24:37] Voice 6: When you're talking about consulting First Nations, and I know that you've gone over this a few times,

[1:24:46] Voice 6: and Laura has indicated that we have a great number of First Nations on the side of the board,

[1:24:59] Voice 8: um but and effectively think that we

[1:25:08] Voice 6: would we should talk to the people that are affected

[1:25:11] Voice 6: in their in

[1:25:13] Voice 8: their own they're not saying to not consult but just cherry pick who you're

[1:25:24] Voice 8: going to consult and then i find it for an argument that

[1:25:30] Voice 6: it's disrespectful that we were

[1:25:32] Voice 6: first told that we don't have to and you and i i know the trust does not have to believe in

[1:25:41] consult

[1:25:41] Voice 6: with first nations it's the provincial government's position the provincial government

[1:25:48] Voice 6: is all believing. The trust is not. And you indicated that. But you, but I'm not, but we have a group here that is directly affected by land use, but somehow it doesn't mean anything. And you would think common sense would tell you that, oh, if there's the natives on the island, out of respect, we should talk to them and see what they think.

[1:26:23] Voice 6: we we don't get that so when when i hear a territorial acknowledgement of this and what

[1:26:31] the trust position of the

[1:26:34] Voice 6: first nations are here it seems like we're again just a colony

[1:26:39] Voice 6: for for another government governance to do to do what they're doing that

[1:26:49] Voice 6: that why why are we not why why is it that the trust can share who they want to talk to

[1:26:57] Voice 6: and when they want to talk why doesn't the trust be proactive and say we will adopt hundreds

[1:27:09] Voice 6: and we will adopt everything we need to adopt 100 just instead of just saying you know what

[1:27:17] Voice 6: But you guys sit over there, we don't have to do that.

[1:27:22] Voice 6: This is all we have to do.

[1:27:24] Voice 6: So I'm asking you to be progressive

[1:27:29] Voice 6: and really give some compassion to people

[1:27:34] Voice 6: that you're gonna be infected,

[1:27:37] Voice 6: affected by any of these changes and these violence.

[1:27:43] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:27:44] Voice 6: Thank you for that.

[1:27:46] Voice 6: And then up here.

[1:27:48] Yeah, David Dunson.

[1:27:49] Voice 6: On respect to First Nations consultation, can you clarify, I'm wondering if, what your obligation has changed in my understanding.

[1:28:06] Voice 6: So, it's my understanding that you have a duty to consult, but even in the duty to consult, there is an obligation to consult, but not necessarily to consult.

[1:28:24] Voice 6: So, can you talk to those three points?

[1:28:27] Voice 6: The wording

[1:28:28] Voice 4: is consult versus engage.

[1:28:30] Voice 4: The consult belongs at the provincial level.

[1:28:32] Voice 4: They have the duty to consult.

[1:28:35] Voice 4: We have a duty to engage.

[1:28:39] Voice 4: Listen.

[1:28:40] Voice 4: And it is a colonial system

[1:28:43] Voice 4: parked on top of...

[1:28:45] Voice 4: It's very frustrating.

[1:28:50] But there's 13 nations

[1:28:52] that Salt Spring is within the territories

[1:28:56] Voice 4: is that the province recognizes uh that we are obligated to engage with um local indigenous is

[1:29:05] Voice 4: a voice the community is is the voice the voices that we listen to as well engaging the first

[1:29:12] Voice 4: agencies that

[1:29:13] Voice 6: big parallel process and in that engagement it's an obligation to the common

[1:29:24] Voice 6: so

[1:29:24] Voice 7: um i just want to back up and clarify anything so when it comes to um the fisher community plan

[1:29:30] Voice 7: amendments uh or the adoption of a new official community plan um those are approved by the

[1:29:35] Voice 7: minister of housing right so they're all changing the news um anyways uh we do have to take it

[1:29:41] Voice 7: does have to be approved by the province and if we haven't demonstrated uh adequate engagement

[1:29:46] Voice 7: of the First Nations, then the province cannot endorse it because they have an obligation to

[1:29:53] Voice 7: consult. In that case, by extension, we simply have an obligation to uphold the province's duty.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: salt. In the case of bylaws, we have a policy to refer bylaw amendments to the 13 First Nations

[1:30:11] on,

[1:30:11] Voice 7: you know, over this over this territory. What I want to make really clear, though, is that

[1:30:18] Voice 7: over time, like, you know, we don't have to refer a lot of things to the Ministry of Transportation

[1:30:23] Voice 7: either but we do and we integrate that information back to LTC because the relational elements of

[1:30:31] Voice 7: that which I am part really important how we work together so this is a this is just to say that

[1:30:37] Voice 7: there's we don't have a duty to accommodate just that this LTC could make decisions without

[1:30:44] Voice 7: listening to the public at all but there are you know relational impacts to that

[1:30:50] Voice 7: So this is the reason why I would suggest that, you know, LTC may make its choice.

[1:30:56] Voice 7: Their job is actually to be open minded, to hear everybody's input before making a decision.

[1:31:03] Voice 7: That's that's pretty much the center of it all.

[1:31:05] Voice 7: But I just want to be really clear, like when it comes to listening to First Nations and how good of a job are we doing and answering them?

[1:31:12] Voice 7: It's very similar. And I did want to just address First Nations living officers.

[1:31:16] Voice 7: reserve um when it comes to when we create engagement products uh when we work to reach

[1:31:21] Voice 7: out to the community um in most cases when i'm when i'm developing engagement plans or proving

[1:31:27] Voice 7: them um first nations living off reserve is a consideration how we'll engage them uh people

[1:31:33] Voice 7: living in community uh for first nations members um they may self-identify and um we can we can

[1:31:40] Voice 7: choose to categorize that through various questionnaires and other engagement processes

[1:31:43] Voice 7: processes. Again, to inform LTC and to share that information, what the response is across

[1:31:51] the various sectors

[1:31:51] Voice 7: of the community. That's a conversation that's pretty much a subject

[1:31:55] Voice 7: of, is it appropriate, is the scale of this project appropriate to engage First Nations

[1:32:01] Voice 7: living offers? And that's been an ongoing conversation about the official community

[1:32:06] Voice 7: plan that's coming up. But I think the file F530, because of the focus on simply moving

[1:32:13] this forward

[1:32:13] Voice 7: simply we followed basic policy to refer to first nations and this is the you know

[1:32:19] Voice 7: the sum of that action where we're at today if

[1:32:23] Voice 6: i may um just so everybody knows we have um you

[1:32:26] Voice 6: know consulted with first nations of wildlife factory there's been great consultation um and

[1:32:31] Voice 6: you know dan you mentioned about the territorial acknowledgement and it's something that i've never

[1:32:35] Voice 6: done as a trustee um right from the very start and you know it's it's weighing on me but the

[1:32:41] Voice 6: The reason I haven't made a territorial acknowledgement as a trustee is because I feel very uncomfortable as a trustee being a part of the Island's Trust.

[1:32:51] Voice 6: And I feel, as I stated at our very first trust council meeting that I was at, that I felt that the Island's Trust has been using First Nations disingenuously to further an eco-radical type of agenda.

[1:33:03] Voice 6: And I still believe that. I heard you say cherry pick and that kind of thing.

[1:33:08] Voice 6: And, you know, it really, I feel very uncomfortable.

[1:33:12] Voice 6: And so I've yet to make a territorial acknowledgement.

[1:33:17] Voice 6: And that's why.

[1:33:21] Let me answer a quick question.

[1:33:23] Do you have the authority at this meeting to say that we'll have a public hearing at a 5 o

[1:33:32] Voice 6: 'clock or 5.30, 5.30, 5.30?

[1:33:36] Voice 6: 5 30. can you have a public hearing uh decided at this meeting to have a public hearing for 5 30

[1:33:43] Voice 6: starting at five o'clock an hour after business hours so people can attend you have authority

[1:33:49] Voice 6: to do that in this meeting

[1:33:50] Voice 5: so this meeting uh uh constitute as a special meeting for the purposes

[1:33:56] Voice 5: that we're that we're doing which is to to hear from the public um there's no reason we can't

[1:34:02] Voice 5: have that discussion tomorrow at our regular business meeting um it's not on the agenda

[1:34:08] Voice 5: there's one item on the agenda today which is the town hall there's one so i

[1:34:13] Voice 6: mean there's not

[1:34:14] Voice 6: there's

[1:34:14] Voice 5: not a legal reason but as chair i wouldn't i wouldn't approve adding items to the agenda

[1:34:18] Voice 5: this far into a meeting just in general purposes uh

[1:34:22] Voice 6: but there's no reason that that couldn't be

[1:34:24] Voice 6: addressed tomorrow

[1:34:25] Voice 6: yeah yeah

[1:34:30] Voice 5: i i hear you uh i think i saw another hand yes in the back here uh

[1:34:37] Voice 3: so i'd like to know

[1:34:38] Voice 3: where you're at regarding uh industrial uh properties uh you're based on the property

[1:34:46] Voice 3: up on rainbow road uh it's been uh community plans since 1996 uh for the area that's

[1:34:56] Voice 3: the town would like to go and and progress in uh commercial equipment etc um and i mean laura knows

[1:35:06] Voice 3: sure uh she's heard me talk a few times but what's happening it seems like since mr quennell has

[1:35:17] Voice 3: passed us by i've heard nothing like what's happening on your end because the alc

[1:35:29] Voice 3: uh they replied to us that now the uh only the uh local

[1:35:37] Voice 1: governing body

[1:35:38] Voice 3: is committed to ask for

[1:35:41] Voice 3: uh properties to be removed from the alr you know the personal people can't do it

[1:35:51] Voice 6: I was

[1:35:52] Voice 4: going to say, jogging my memory, which is sometimes challenging here,

[1:35:57] Voice 4: I thought we did apply on your behalf to take it out.

[1:36:05] Voice 3: And they came back and said that they would be providing non-farm use of the shop.

[1:36:11] Voice 3: Wow.

[1:36:12] Voice 3: And what

[1:36:13] Voice 2: you're faced with,

[1:36:14] Voice 3: what we're faced with

[1:36:15] Voice 3: as a community, is we have less and less shops.

[1:36:19] Voice 3: three shops have closed in one year one year pre-automotive repair jobs and

[1:36:31] Voice 4: i'd like to know what we could do for you next um because i thought we tried to make a very strong

[1:36:39] Voice 4: we did appeal that case saying we want garages we want to keep garages and uh had added that

[1:36:46] Voice 4: that notation to that request to the ALC.

[1:36:49] Voice 3: Well, my understanding from the ALC is that they want the community governing body

[1:36:54] Voice 3: to make a decision of where you want the property to be announced.

[1:37:02] Voice 3: It's going to take you as a body to say, this is what we want for the community.

[1:37:08] Voice 8: That's what we need.

[1:37:12] Voice 6: Well, I'd love to see that correspondence, and then hopefully we can move forward with that.

[1:37:17] Voice 6: i'm i'm assuming the world would be more than happy to help put something together that we

[1:37:22] Voice 6: can send on to the alc we

[1:37:25] Voice 4: need to get some information i

[1:37:27] Voice 5: was i was i was going to say

[1:37:29] Voice 5: it sounds like this this very specific um issue that needs to be it

[1:37:35] Voice 3: probably

[1:37:36] Voice 5: needs some some

[1:37:37] Voice 5: staff eyes on it etc it is

[1:37:39] Voice 5: yeah but

[1:37:41] Voice 3: bigger than that it's a bigger picture it's i mean we didn't

[1:37:54] Voice 3: it's a big

[1:38:03] Voice 6: concern of having all these automotive shops closed down and people are and other ones

[1:38:08] Voice 6: are still being threatened at this point and um

[1:38:11] Voice 6: can

[1:38:12] Voice 3: i just

[1:38:30] Voice 5: ask you to hold your question for a moment please

[1:38:32] Voice 5: Sorry,

[1:38:33] Voice 3: I just wanted a little more context.

[1:38:34] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:38:37] Voice 6: Do you have something there?

[1:38:39] Voice 6: No, I was just checking.

[1:38:42] My name is Richard.

[1:38:43] It sounds like

[1:38:44] Voice 7: you've had a number of applications,

[1:38:45] Voice 7: and the best information to have is that you don't have an active application right now.

[1:38:51] Voice 3: Why bother?

[1:38:53] Voice 3: Sorry.

[1:38:56] Voice 3: We're looking at folks at 30 years.

[1:39:04] Voice 6: So, I mean,

[1:39:04] Voice 7: I invite you to reach out to the office,

[1:39:07] Voice 7: and we'll we can talk more about your options as I understand it you know that your your application

[1:39:13] Voice 7: has been supported at the local level but declined at the agricultural land commission

[1:39:18] Voice 7: and

[1:39:19] Voice 3: it always comes back so they want something from you guys well

[1:39:25] Voice 6: I'd be happy to put something

[1:39:27] Voice 6: together you know honestly maybe maybe it needs to be stronger more strongly worded I have no idea

[1:39:34] Voice 6: yeah i've never dealt with the alc i've just heard i'm like you as you well know i'm just one of you

[1:39:39] Voice 6: you know the workingness still on this island and yes if you have to deal with their al center

[1:39:52] Voice 8: okay um further no

[1:39:56] Voice 6: uh so it's gonna go

[1:39:59] Voice 5: back in the back there uh and i

[1:40:02] Voice 3: guess that's what to me

[1:40:03] Voice 3: yeah

[1:40:03] Voice 5: and i just wanted to remind you like so the just our format um i i totally encourage

[1:40:11] Voice 5: people to have conversations personal conversations outside of this format but i i'll also just for

[1:40:18] Voice 5: keeping order i prefer you don't speak up until i call on you and if you if you have specific

[1:40:25] Voice 5: questions address them here and so if you if you have something you'd like to address to the local

[1:40:32] Voice 5: trust committee please do and if not then i'm just going to move on to uh i saw a hand over here

[1:40:40] Voice 3: so just actually it does come off what the woman is saying um the first question is for two

[1:40:46] Voice 3: questions my first question is and i believe i heard you say the official community plan

[1:40:52] Voice 3: what is the trust role of the official community plan and is the trust willing to take um

[1:40:58] Voice 3: the concept of the fact that we are not able to have the amenities we need in our community

[1:41:06] Voice 3: because the higher level of ALR is stopping it.

[1:41:10] Voice 3: It's approved in our community, stopped at the ALR level.

[1:41:14] Voice 3: And I'd like to know what our local trust members are willing to do

[1:41:20] to stand behind the

[1:41:22] Voice 8: decisions that they make at the higher ALR level.

[1:41:29] Voice 8: Well, I was just

[1:41:32] Voice 5: going to say that it is true that the Agricultural Land Commission is not

[1:41:41] Voice 5: obligated to take our advice in terms of jurisdictional hierarchy.

[1:41:50] Voice 5: And, you know, I'm not personally, I'm not familiar with this specific situation.

[1:41:56] Voice 5: So I can't really comment more than that.

[1:41:59] Voice 6: but maybe local trustees have more insight they're

[1:42:04] Voice 4: not alone there are many properties that are

[1:42:07] Voice 4: facing this that have had historical use for a long time they've you know haven't been farmed

[1:42:14] Voice 4: or likely never been farmed and um what we one of the suggestions that have come has been made

[1:42:22] Voice 4: in regard to ganges is that we do maybe we assemble this into an issue and say well let's

[1:42:29] Voice 4: look at there is some farming that's occurring on land that is not in the

[1:42:32] Voice 4: ALR so maybe if we did

[1:42:34] Voice 4: some you know horse trading here and ended up with sort of the net zero loss offer to the ALC

[1:42:40] Voice 4: that we could maybe sweeten it by looking at it in the complete picture and say we want these

[1:42:46] Voice 4: parcels out and we want to put these parcels in and maybe they'll say yes if we look at it that

[1:42:53] Voice 4: way so we as we go through defining our projects that we're working on i know that one's burning

[1:42:59] Voice 4: in the back of my head maybe he's talked about that as well um and so hopefully we could do

[1:43:06] Voice 4: something like that and get a yes from the alc so i'm

[1:43:10] Voice 3: hearing that on the record you're willing

[1:43:12] Voice 3: to go back to them and make offers to make this happen for our community absolutely it didn't

[1:43:20] Voice 3: happened for the girls ball team six years ago we were shut down by the ALC so I'm seeing it again

[1:43:27] Voice 4: there's been many there's several industrial properties here in Ganges that were sort of

[1:43:33] Voice 4: all in the same time period last year that all

[1:43:35] Voice 6: sound like they all got enough yes

[1:43:42] Voice 8: up here um

[1:43:48] Voice 8: firstly I'll report this um

[1:43:53] Voice 6: sitting on the Ganges village area my task force

[1:43:57] Voice 6: i can't speak for everybody but i don't know anybody who's dissented from

[1:44:02] Voice 6: uh this concern uh but i was wondering do we know what the the uh agricultural land classes

[1:44:10] Voice 6: class one two three four sources do we know these properties are close to games because i know that

[1:44:17] Voice 6: the

[1:44:18] Voice 8: canada

[1:44:21] Voice 6: yeah we you typically review that that data and it's available but i i mean

[1:44:30] i think i believe

[1:44:33] Voice 6: there wants to be class four or lower just not aware that there's much class

[1:44:37] Voice 6: four or lower uh like worse um soil not off the top of my head i can really keep that information

[1:44:46] Voice 3: chairman i'd love to address that because we did have a agrologist report down on our property and

[1:44:54] Voice 3: it was a class four and uh at one time i suppose it was on the public farm and there's fruit trees

[1:45:03] Voice 3: on that by the time we bought it 50 years now they've been on that case yet they were able to

[1:45:10] Voice 3: take three properties and put a high school on it there were five acres of parcels of good farmland

[1:45:19] Voice 3: Now, as far as the ALR goes, property must be able to be returned through its former

[1:45:28] Voice 3: glory.

[1:45:29] Voice 3: Well, that's not going to happen with a saloon.

[1:45:31] Voice 3: I understand it's provincial, I guess, but my point being

[1:45:38] Voice 3: is, the gentleman asked about

[1:45:41] Voice 3: classes.

[1:45:42] Voice 3: Well, we have

[1:45:44] Voice 3: bedrock or sandstone or whatever it is on the backside of our property, a pretz

[1:45:48] Voice 3: shale bed you have pockets of maybe good soil and clay all on four and a half acres

[1:45:57] Voice 3: there is it is not good farming yeah and

[1:46:02] Voice 6: i i certainly have

[1:46:03] Voice 5: uh had experience where the uh

[1:46:06] Voice 5: the alc has made a designation and stuck by it uh you know in the in the face of clear office uh

[1:46:15] Voice 5: clear uh facts uh you know to the contrary uh person i know had uh was trying to get their piece

[1:46:23] Voice 5: removed uh and they were told it was suitable for pigs uh despite the fact that there's essentially

[1:46:31] Voice 5: no soil so they can be very they

[1:46:33] Voice 3: can

[1:46:34] Voice 5: be very very unreasonable and and seemingly incredibly

[1:46:39] Voice 5: incredibly illogical so I I sympathize um not knowing that you know the exact circumstances

[1:46:46] Voice 5: but I know that they could be they can their rulings can seem to defy all logic

[1:46:52] Voice 5: Well,

[1:46:53] Voice 3: on the files that I have, which is probably about two inches thick, a lot of their wording when they respond to us, and there are copies in the file at their office, they do specify that they want the local government to make a decision, right?

[1:47:18] Voice 3: Right. That's how we

[1:47:19] Voice 3: ended up with the industrial task.

[1:47:22] Voice 3: How much industrial land do we have?

[1:47:28] Voice 3: Well, I've got a great big table now at home that tells you.

[1:47:32] Voice 3: And it's not very bloody much.

[1:47:36] Voice 5: So it occurs to me like that there's there may be a specific direction that the local trust committee may be able to assist if that's indeed what the ALC is saying.

[1:47:49] Voice 5: so i'd encourage you to just talk to staff and and uh if we can help you i i believe that we'd

[1:47:57] Voice 5: like to so i think they'd

[1:48:01] Voice 3: be taking a stand with the alc yes that's what you have to prepare

[1:48:06] Voice 3: yourself sure

[1:48:07] Voice 5: sure i i understand what you're saying uh yes in the back here yeah i'd just

[1:48:12] Voice 5: like to point out that you know what we're talking about we're talking about the uh

[1:48:17] AFC and the Jordanian and stuff like that.

[1:48:20] Voice 6: One of the things that most people that come to this province

[1:48:23] Voice 6: or even live in the province don't realize

[1:48:24] Voice 6: is that we have a very, very small percentage of farmland

[1:48:29] in the AFC in British Columbia, which really looks tiny.

[1:48:35] The biggest part of that region is 96% of the province

[1:48:39] is still held by the Crown.

[1:48:41] It isn't zoned at all.

[1:48:43] and so these figures are brought up to make it look bad but the

[1:48:50] the potential farmland in bc is much greater than it is and so all of these figures that they have

[1:49:00] and they keep throwing up are really deceiving so of that four percent which some of its federal

[1:49:08] and things like that, about 4% of this entire problem, only a small part of that is farmland.

[1:49:15] And so, we're protecting it, but we have the potential to have way more farmland if it wasn't it.

[1:49:24] So, you know, and in our community, we've heard for 50 years these meetings and stuff like that,

[1:49:33] and I haven't heard it tonight, which is sustainable community.

[1:49:36] But we're talking about sustainable community, that's what she's bringing up.

[1:49:41] We're losing all of the things that we need to sustain a community, and we're not providing

[1:49:47] the things we need to have a sustainable community.

[1:49:51] People like to use that as a hit word, but they don't even know what it means.

[1:49:55] It means that we have to have young people, old people, some form of employment, and people

[1:50:05] to serve us in the community.

[1:50:08] Voice 6: None of that's, you know,

[1:50:10] Voice 6: so to have that sustainable community,

[1:50:13] Voice 6: we need the trust to do the job of this given,

[1:50:17] Voice 6: which is so needed.

[1:50:20] Voice 6: We don't need them out there,

[1:50:22] Voice 6: well, again, I'm repeating myself,

[1:50:25] Voice 6: looking at plans of all the other stuff.

[1:50:27] Voice 6: Our community is failing because the trust

[1:50:30] Voice 6: has not done the job because they're misled

[1:50:32] Voice 6: by the idea of preserve and protect unique amenities,

[1:50:36] Voice 6: honor, languages, everything they chose,

[1:50:39] Voice 6: they changed the language from when they were brought in,

[1:50:42] Voice 6: which was zoning and rural character.

[1:50:45] Voice 6: And now we've got land use and unique amenities

[1:50:49] Voice 6: and those things can't be defined.

[1:50:52] You know, they have too broad of a definition.

[1:50:54] And you know, every community can go to any municipality,

[1:50:58] they have industrial,

[1:50:59] Voice 6: they have housing,

[1:51:00] Voice 6: they have rural, they have urban,

[1:51:02] Voice 6: they have all of that we don't have all of that and it was the job of the trust to help us develop

[1:51:11] Voice 6: that community through ocp and zoning with the idea of preserving and protecting our rural

[1:51:18] Voice 6: character and of the island but we can't ignore it and when you talk about this industrial

[1:51:24] Voice 6: organization product it was great they passed force money everything came up to do that and

[1:51:31] Voice 6: And they went around and around and around with cable news and stuff like that.

[1:51:34] Voice 6: And they came up with changing nothing except the name and called it Employment Zoning.

[1:51:43] So all that meant was open up more, what they said was more ability to look at the zoning.

[1:51:50] Well, it didn't change anything.

[1:51:53] And it didn't help anything.

[1:51:56] It was just a waste of time and money and a lot of niche reading and running around.

[1:52:00] and really

[1:52:03] Voice 6: solving, anyway, that's about it.

[1:52:09] Voice 6: Tess, Patrick, and then I'll come back to you.

[1:52:12] Voice 4: Ron, I don't, when we say the institution or whatever,

[1:52:18] Voice 4: I also, I look at everyone that's been in this seat

[1:52:22] Voice 4: that came before Jamie and I

[1:52:24] Voice 4: from all times

[1:52:25] Voice 4: that have not done their job.

[1:52:27] Voice 4: I'll read you from the 1975 policy statement.

[1:52:30] Voice 4: So what was this in the beginning?

[1:52:33] Voice 4: 1975, it only had a handful of policies that said recognition that the islands are, first

[1:52:40] Voice 4: of all, an existing community of people, and the welfare of those people and those who

[1:52:45] Voice 4: join them, come after them, must always be the primary concern of the trust.

[1:52:51] Voice 4: 1975.

[1:52:54] Voice 4: So we need to, yes, plan in its entirety that the object of the act is about the area, the

[1:53:03] Voice 4: the community we need it to be we need to preserve and protect industrial land and look at that and

[1:53:10] Voice 4: we do have as we are going to be opening the ocp and finding what that project is um we will be

[1:53:17] Voice 4: needing that feedback as we define what exactly we're going to do if we crack open this ocp how

[1:53:22] Voice 4: far do we want to go we don't want to be going wide open we want to go in surgically

[1:53:32] Voice 6: I was just going to say thank you for that line from 1975. I think when we go to look

[1:53:38] Voice 6: at the OCD, we need to take that line very, very seriously and scale back all the mumbo

[1:53:45] Voice 6: jumbo and let's get down to the facts of the matter. We have had a legal opinion recently

[1:53:52] Voice 6: above the mandate and specifically the unique amenity aspect of it and you know to paraphrase

[1:53:59] Voice 6: it it's it it clearly is reasonable to say that those unique amenities are supported by people

[1:54:07] Voice 6: and we can help protect those unique amenities what we need to protect the people it's clear to

[1:54:11] Voice 6: me and um i'm hoping we can actually hopefully make some strides in this while i'm involved here

[1:54:23] Voice 5: uh um yep i'm gonna take uh this speaker here and then we're getting close to finishing our uh time

[1:54:31] Voice 5: here but please go ahead um i just want to thank

[1:54:33] Voice 6: you for doing this tonight i think it's so

[1:54:36] Voice 6: important that those of us that are working full-time and don't have time to jump in on

[1:54:41] Voice 6: a meeting at 11 o'clock on a tuesday or thursday um i just want to thank you and give us a soft

[1:54:48] Voice 6: opportunity to speak because it is so important that more people have a voice and it can speak

[1:54:52] to you i know rob you talk about um the ability to send an email that doesn't have the same effect

[1:54:58] because people are saying you know she

[1:54:59] Voice 6: gets to sit here and say your piece or whatever

[1:55:02] everybody else has to say

[1:55:04] Voice 6: so thank you for being here and giving this i hope you guys can do it

[1:55:07] Voice 6: more often and then get into these important topics like 5 30 and all that this is happening

[1:55:12] Voice 6: more often um because it's it's really important that you hear us and it's very important that the

[1:55:20] Voice 6: whole community feels consulted i think that i think there's a lot of uh uh feeling that you're

[1:55:26] Voice 6: working so thank you yeah

[1:55:29] Voice 5: thank you for that and i would say that uh um my home island on

[1:55:35] Voice 5: little skitty i i get the same i get the same uh comments from folk working folks we can come to

[1:55:43] Voice 5: your meetings they're in the middle of the day uh so that i absolutely sympathize and uh yes

[1:55:51] just an opportunity to advertise um the next one of these meetings

[1:55:56] Voice 6: will be wednesday

[1:55:59] Voice 6: september 13th at beaver point hall from five to seven p.m thank

[1:56:05] Voice 5: you for that and i'm gonna

[1:56:07] Voice 5: call on you and i think you'll be the last speaker for this session

[1:56:10] Voice 3: i actually had a question how

[1:56:12] Voice 3: many don't get assaults right now how

[1:56:16] Voice 5: many zones does salt spring wait

[1:56:19] Voice 6: too many we

[1:56:21] Voice 7: have too many

[1:56:22] Voice 7: don't it's um our zoning balance like i mentioned earlier um are 23 years old um the the best

[1:56:30] Voice 7: practices in zoning are not in support of that type of articulation and control so i think it's

[1:56:37] Voice 7: something that really needs to be addressed to create more flexible opportunities for various

[1:56:40] Voice 7: types of land use um you know in the community support yeah

[1:56:47] Voice 3: this is something that i heard

[1:56:50] Voice 3: quite some time ago that actually salt spring island had more zones than vancouver might not

[1:56:59] Voice 3: be true but if so we definitely need some consolidation

[1:57:04] Voice 6: for sure thank you for the

[1:57:09] Voice 6: opportunity thank

[1:57:11] Voice 5: you and i'd like to thank everyone who came out uh tonight and all of

[1:57:16] Voice 5: your questions and comments are valuable and uh anything final from local trustees

[1:57:22] Voice 5: i

[1:57:24] Voice 4: should say always always happy to meet with anyone anytime you know so uh we need to be

[1:57:30] Voice 4: talking and all you know trying to any suggestions to get the word out and because we do want to hear

[1:57:37] Voice 4: from more people and sometimes people are hard to get a hold of so please help us uh when the

[1:57:43] Voice 4: the board does go out that we need input so that we get it thanks

[1:57:49] Voice 8: for coming up great and i'll just

[1:57:54] Voice 8: add

[1:57:54] Voice 5: um uh i especially because of my travel schedule is eating we have no tuesday wednesday

[1:58:03] Voice 5: a ferry so i am uh on salt springs um uh i i often have a day a day and an evening um

[1:58:16] Voice 5: before our regular thursday meeting if anyone would like to have a one-on-one or or more i'm

[1:58:24] Voice 5: happy to have sit down and have a chat with anyone give me an email we'll set up a time for one of

[1:58:31] Voice 5: times i'm here i've got a bunch of wednesdays in the next three years

[1:58:36] Voice 5: uh so feel free to reach out it's important for me to hear from you because i'm not i'm

[1:58:43] Voice 5: not a member of this community so uh please feel free to reach

[1:58:47] Voice 6: out to me directly and

[1:58:48] Voice 6: i'm happy to chat with people all right so uh all this meeting adjourned and thank

[1:58:57] Voice 8: you very much

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Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
 
Date:  
Location:  
Wednesday, July 12, 2023 
Meaden Hall – Royal Canadian Legion 
120 Blain Rd, Salt Spring Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
 Jamie Harris, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
 Rob Pingle, Recorder 
 
A member of the press 
Approximately 31 members of the public 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 5:00 pm.  He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, and welcomed Trustees and Staff. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Robin Williams a trustee for the Salt Spring Island Fire Protection District (SSIFPD) spoke to the 
progress on the fire hall with an expectation to begin building in September. They asked if a 
member of the Local Trust Committee (LTC) could become a representative to the SSIFPD so 
that there could be explorations to reduce the costs to the community.  
A member of the public spoke to the Clean and Safe Harbour Initiative (CASHI) proposal and 
asked that they be contacted by staff. They discussed the mooring issue within Ganges Harbour. 
They requested a need for a mooring permit process to ensure that the moorings are 
appropriately placed and of adequate quality.  
A member of the public spoke to the CASHI proposal and asked about the new fact check page 
on the Islands Trust website. They spoke to standing resolution SS-2021-109 and the deferring 
of existing unlawful dwellings until there are safe, secure appropriate housing options that are 
affordable for all demographics and household types in perpetuity. There was discussion about 
the reason the LTC choose that particular wording. There was a question regarding the process 
for achieving the objectives in the standing resolution. There was discussion about the progress 
for the review of the CASHI proposal.  
 

 
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A member of the public spoke to standing resolution SS-2021-109 and the process to enforce 
the sewage concerns especially within Ganges Harbour. There was discussion about the 
intergovernmental agency discussions that are required to address that issue for bylaw 
enforcement.  
A member of the public spoke to the governance committee of the Islands Trust and asked if its’ 
work would include reviewing the structure of the LTCs. It was noted that the current work of 
the committee does not include reviewing that structure as it was not discussed within the 
report they are working from. 
A member of the public asked about the current regulations regarding shoreline zones within 
the Land Use Bylaw 355. They questioned if the bylaw actually address the ability to regulate the 
things that are on the water.  
A member of the public asked about the potential timeline for the CASHI proposal and what 
level of priority it is.  
A member of the public spoke about the concern with boats adrift in the harbour and how at 
times this can be due to malicious activities not poor moorings.  
A member of the public asked about invasive species on the island and if the LTC could address 
neglected properties. It was noted that the Islands Trust is not equipped to address the issue 
and that it is a regional district issue. There is the possibility to address the issue through 
development permit areas but that would require bylaw development. 
A member of the public asked if there are any examples of bylaw enforcement in any of the Salt 
Spring harbours. It was noted that the bylaw officers work towards compliance and issues are 
more often addressed this was without the need for ticketing as bylaw enforcement. It was 
noted that bylaw officers have been in the harbour during this year to review the conditions 
within the harbour.  
A member of the public asked if a complaint would be required to get bylaw officers to inspect a 
boat within the harbour. There was discussion about the process to make complaints regarding 
bylaw infractions. 
A member of the public asked about the timeline for the creation of affordable housing for our 
island workforce. It was noted that proposed Bylaw 530 was a first step and that a housing 
authority would hopefully follow. It was also noted that the Official Community Plan review 
would provide an opportunity to further ensure the housing issues of the island are properly 
defined.  
A member of the public asked if the conduct of the Islands Trust could be investigated. They 
mentioned that the housing in the harbour is due to the lack of housing available on land. They 
feel there is too much enforcement of bylaw files.  
A member of the public spoke to the requirement for a local government to enforce its bylaws 
and wondered if one officer was enough to address the issues. It was noted that the Trust 
Council has made a request of the BC Ombudsperson to review the Bylaw Enforcement process 
within the Islands Trust.  
A member of the public spoke to the current staffing of the Islands Trust and that there are too 
many staff working in areas that are beyond the mandate of the Trust.  

 
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A member of the public asked about proposed bylaw 530 and what was holding it up. It was 
noted that the decision was to delay the public hearing to allow for further discussion with First 
Nations. 
A member of the public asked about the obstacles stopping proposed bylaw 530 and stated that 
the housing issue is a crisis that requires immediate attention.  
A member of the public spoke to the public hearings that were held during the working day. 
There was discussion about the process to schedule a public hearing being at the consideration 
of the trustees and that in person feedback is not the only way to provide feedback as letters 
and emails are also acceptable.  
A member of the public spoke to the process of consulting First Nations. They asked if the 
Islands Trust could adopt UNRIP and truly consult First Nation communities.  
A member of the public asked for clarity about the obligation to consult First Nations. It was 
noted that the LTC has a duty to engage with First Nations. It was noted that bylaws are 
approved by the provincial ministry and they have a duty to consult so if the LTC wants our 
bylaws to be approved we have to show meaningful engagement with First Nations.  
A member asked if a public hearing date or hour could be set during this meeting. It was noted 
that as this was a special town hall and it would be more appropriate to make that motion 
during the regular meeting scheduled tomorrow. 
A member of the public asked about industrial commercial properties and land within the 
agricultural land reserve. There was discussion about the process to remove land from the 
agricultural land reserve.  
A member of the public asked about the ability of the LTC members to stand behind their 
decisions when working with other agencies. It was noted that provincial agencies are only 
required to consult us and are not required to follow our recommendations. 
A member of the public spoke to the percentage of farmland within the agricultural land reserve 
but noted that it does not include the crown land which could become farm land if necessary.  
There was discussion about the mandate of the Islands Trust and how it has altered over the 
decades.  
A member of the public expressed appreciation for the evening meeting.  
There was discussion about the number of zones in the land use bylaw. It was noted that a 
modernization of the bylaw would result in less zones based on current best practices. 
5. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 7:00 pm. 
 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 

 
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Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Rob Pingle, Recorder