Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 13, 2023

[0:00:13] Voice 17: okay well thank you everyone i'd like to

[0:00:17] Voice 4: call the meeting to order meeting of the salt spring

[0:00:20] Voice 4: island local trust committee and i want to start by acknowledging that we're grateful and fortunate

[0:00:28] Voice 4: to live here in the territory of coast salish peoples in their lands and waters from since

[0:00:33] Voice 4: time immemorial respectful of that and we have an agenda oh well introduce myself my name is

[0:00:42] Voice 4: tim peterson i'm elected on mesquite island i'm the chair of a salt spring island local

[0:00:47] Voice 4: trust committee salt spring island the trustees laura patrick and jamie harris are joining us

[0:00:55] Voice 4: and regional director and staff look out for rob pingel and chris hutton thank you all for being

[0:01:05] Voice 4: here uh we have an agenda before us any additions or changes to the agenda okay not seeing any i'll

[0:01:12] Voice 4: taken by general consent will approve the agenda as presented and our first item of business is

[0:01:20] Voice 4: town hall and questions just uh ask everyone to be brief

[0:01:26] Voice 13: um speak to the issues not personalities

[0:01:32] Voice 13: ideally issues that are within the jurisdiction of this committee and uh to

[0:01:37] Voice 4: be respectful

[0:01:38] Voice 4: He's respectful anyway, to remember that this is also a workplace for our staff.

[0:01:43] Voice 17: I'm respectful of that.

[0:01:46] Voice 13: And in the interest of keeping everything moving, I will use a timer.

[0:01:50] Voice 13: I like to be lenient, but it's helpful to give some sort of a limit.

[0:01:57] Voice 13: So three minutes is the initial sort of timeframe.

[0:02:01] Voice 13: Run a little bit over, I'll

[0:02:02] Voice 4: let you finish.

[0:02:03] Voice 4: and you have a lot more to say you can always stick your hand up and go again so with that

[0:02:10] Voice 4: i'll look for a show of hands of people who'd like to address the committee okay

[0:02:15] Voice 5: quite a few

[0:02:19] Voice 15: uh that's great and i

[0:02:20] Voice 15: think i'm gonna today i'm gonna start on this end of the room

[0:02:23] Voice 15: and um so please go ahead and she wants to go before me okay that's fine hi

[0:02:30] Voice 3: uh my name is

[0:02:32] Voice 3: Serene Giles and I'm here today to speak against the brewery's application to expand and change

[0:02:37] Voice 3: their liquor license from a tasting room to a lounge license, same as you have in a bar or pub.

[0:02:45] Voice 3: I live right

[0:02:46] Voice 3: next to the brewery and I have a young son who's here today and I have another

[0:02:50] Voice 3: one on the way. I spoke at the last town hall and I was super nervous because this is a really

[0:02:56] Voice 3: really important issue. This is going to impact our neighborhood and specifically my children's

[0:03:03] Voice 3: lives forever. If it becomes a bar, it will become a bar forever. This is long after the

[0:03:09] Voice 3: management team changes, long after everyone forgets about this, this will impact our community

[0:03:14] Voice 3: forever. We didn't attend the second portion where the brewery presented their application

[0:03:19] Voice 3: because we were told we weren't allowed to speak, but I watched it from home. We will be there today

[0:03:25] Voice 3: if you have questions at that time um i was shocked at the misrepresentation of community

[0:03:31] Voice 3: support by the brewery team when they spoke at their application um they stated that they had

[0:03:36] Voice 3: a ton of community support and that there was only one or two neighbors who were against it

[0:03:41] Voice 3: that wasn't true at the open house which many of you watched but i wanted to check if things

[0:03:46] Voice 3: had changed since then so i walked around our entire neighborhood it's a small neighborhood

[0:03:50] Voice 3: but took me a couple afternoons to be able to connect with everyone to see if sentiment had

[0:03:55] Voice 3: changed and i brought a petition with me out of the 24 properties that are on ashen for nest the

[0:04:01] Voice 3: two roads that will directly lead into the brewery and be impacted by it there were 20 against i was

[0:04:08] Voice 3: unable to connect to three and the 24th is of course the brewery itself i have a map here

[0:04:14] Voice 3: that illustrates what this looks like everything in red is those properties that are against the

[0:04:21] Voice 3: brewery and yellow is the ones i was unable to connect with green is the brewery property itself

[0:04:25] Voice 3: there is no local community support for the brewery the entire neighborhood is not in favor

[0:04:32] Voice 3: of this for many different reasons the petition has 28 signatures of direct neighborhood only

[0:04:39] Voice 3: only. This is the second petition that we've had against this issue. The first had over 200

[0:04:45] Voice 3: signatures and is recorded in the application on Island's Trust website. Other neighbours have also

[0:04:50] Voice 3: written letters against the expansion. We did notice several letters of support for the brewery

[0:04:55] Voice 3: recently added to the website. Every single one, with the exception of the two from brewery staff

[0:05:00] Voice 3: and the consultant hired to push this application through by the brewery, was a form letter, meaning

[0:05:05] Voice 3: they printed a form for them and asked them to sign the bottom. None of these letters came from

[0:05:11] Voice 3: the brewery's actual neighbors and we're unsure how many actually came from Salisbury residents

[0:05:15] Voice 3: given the high volume of tourist traffic at the brewery. To me personally letters that are not

[0:05:21] Voice 3: from the actual direct neighborhood that's going to be impacted by this again forever

[0:05:25] Voice 3: don't carry much weight. The other gross misrepresentation that was made was by the

[0:05:30] Voice 3: consultant that was hired to push this application through. She stated that the application had been

[0:05:36] Voice 3: been in since 2019 with a robust community consultation however the first anyone in our

[0:05:42] Voice 3: neighborhood heard of it was the islands trust open house announcement in april of this year

[0:05:47] Voice 3: so i thank you deeply islands trust for holding that open house i fear without it the application

[0:05:52] Voice 3: never would have come to our attention again i wanted to check my gut on this maybe i just

[0:05:58] Voice 3: hadn't heard about it and the conversations i had had so i asked every neighbor when i went

[0:06:02] Voice 3: around this petition if they had been consulted about this if they'd heard about it before april

[0:06:06] Voice 3: not a single neighbor had heard about this including those that had been there for 30 years

[0:06:10] Voice 3: there was ample ample opportunity to involve the community with this to consult us and there was

[0:06:17] Voice 3: zero effort made by the jury team they have asked us to trust them they have told us that they're

[0:06:23] Voice 3: not going to put our neighborhood at risk but they have done nothing to earn that trust they

[0:06:27] Voice 3: haven't consulted us they've misrepresented the truth on several points to you the council

[0:06:32] Voice 3: Council and they've attempted to silence us with lawyers at the last meeting you denied a Canada

[0:06:38] Voice 3: store due to location and that is why this application should also be denied this is a

[0:06:43] Voice 3: completely inappropriate location for a bar there's a very good reason that bars are not located at

[0:06:50] Voice 3: the end of rural neighborhood called a sex we hope that you deny this application today after hearing

[0:06:56] Voice 3: your words and that's it thank you thank

[0:06:59] Voice 17: you for that

[0:06:59] Voice 16: and you deferred right so go ahead hello

[0:07:04] Voice 7: island trustee thank you again for holding this town hall my name is elsie warren and i completely

[0:07:09] Voice 7: agree with everything that has been said by serene but in an effort to conserve time i'll be touching

[0:07:14] Voice 7: on other subjects today i'm a mother with a young son and a homesteader here on salt spring island

[0:07:20] Voice 7: the breweries had several spills over my short time living at 271 Furness Road three recorded

[0:07:26] Voice 7: spills and septic issues in spring of 2019 February of 2022 and August of 2022 after the

[0:07:34] Voice 7: punching septic orders emanating from the summer uh 2022 we asked the head brewmaster for a written

[0:07:39] Voice 7: report of their septic engineer from their septic engineers to say what was needed and what had to

[0:07:46] Voice 7: done to fix these issues in October of 2020. Ed Brewmaster said he would tell me in person,

[0:07:52] Voice 7: but when I said no and I wanted something written, I never heard back. Fast forward to this year when

[0:07:57] Voice 7: the Islands Club delivered notices to six neighboring properties of the brewery application

[0:08:01] Voice 7: for expanding, I went door-to-door starting our first community petition. Later that week,

[0:08:08] Voice 7: a report from MSR Solutions was left under a lock at my front gate. This

[0:08:13] Voice 7: report highlighted several

[0:08:15] Voice 7: There are several issues and reasons for these,

[0:08:16] Voice 7: I suppose, on the rates of the current system.

[0:08:19] Voice 7: Were these projects completed?

[0:08:21] Voice 7: We don't know.

[0:08:23] Voice 7: The brewery has never shared

[0:08:24] Voice 7: any of this information with us.

[0:08:26] Voice 7: I gave this MSR report solutions

[0:08:29] Voice 7: to a water treatment specialist for his second opinion.

[0:08:34] Voice 7: I have his letter here and his observations

[0:08:38] Voice 7: and recommendations for you to review.

[0:08:40] Voice 7: The highlighted points included improper and original design,

[0:08:43] Voice 7: undersized systems, and what happened to the inevitable case of electrical failures like power outage and improper soil type of water treatment.

[0:08:52] Voice 7: For every litre of beer produced, there are three litres of waste made. Where is this waste water going?

[0:08:59] Voice 7: Their steep Great Hill site makes it very hard to treat large amounts of water quickly.

[0:09:04] Voice 7: We were told by the brewery in spring of 2019 to buy aerators and pumps to move the water through filtration systems and that they would pay for the equipment.

[0:09:13] Voice 7: they have never reimbursed us after we made them the original receipts we have been running and

[0:09:18] Voice 7: maintaining this equipment ever since the brewery needs a public spill response plan in place

[0:09:24] Voice 7: not for if but when it still happens again we have never received an apology for the spills

[0:09:30] Voice 7: onto our property and into our ponds and we are exhausted cleaning up their mess please deny this

[0:09:35] Voice 7: application today thank you very much

[0:09:38] Voice 17: thank you for that thank you to see you're back

[0:09:42] Voice 17: here hi my

[0:09:44] Voice 17: name is brody payne i live at 271 guys i

[0:09:46] Voice 4: have a son and my wife um i'm a community driven

[0:09:51] Voice 4: individual working on with our most vulnerable populations on south spain i oppose the brewery's

[0:09:56] Voice 4: application for a change in liquor license liquor licensing and for expansion of their current

[0:10:01] Voice 4: buildings as a contributor to the community i feel bad for the employees who are working for

[0:10:05] Voice 4: the forbes group who own the brewery the owner of the brewery has been completely absent this

[0:10:10] Voice 4: whole process with regards to the community communications if you were truly a part of this

[0:10:16] Voice 4: vibrant and special community you'd be attending these meetings and making an effort to reassure

[0:10:21] Voice 4: your neighbors instead of ignoring us completely which

[0:10:24] Voice 17: i don't think mr forbes is here today

[0:10:28] Voice 17: um as a softball came local i've

[0:10:32] Voice 4: learned that supporting local businesses by the

[0:10:33] Voice 4: for community economy however this business is no longer local in my eyes please deny this

[0:10:39] Voice 4: application today thank you for me okay i'm

[0:10:44] Voice 5: looking this way yeah i'm

[0:10:48] Voice 3: speaking of something

[0:10:48] Voice 3: entirely different and quite important so i'm happy to wait until everyone who has presented

[0:10:55] Voice 3: on this issue i think it would be weird for me to just jump in here

[0:10:59] Voice 13: that's okay okay and i'll

[0:11:00] Voice 13: i'll just take this opportunity to see a show of hands if there's more people that are want to

[0:11:05] Voice 13: speak about the three application it's a quite a few um all right so i'll i'll go through those

[0:11:11] Voice 13: first and then i'll come back

[0:11:12] Voice 3: thank you so i'm

[0:11:13] Voice 13: going to go with you guys my

[0:11:16] Voice 3: name is caitlin

[0:11:16] Voice 3: adamson i live at the end of ashia road uh not for an australian separate property i have teenagers

[0:11:23] Voice 3: and friends and family with young children who come visit often we walk our dogs all the time

[0:11:28] Voice 3: and find it quite shocking that there might be a pub at the end of a very quiet neighborhood.

[0:11:33] Voice 5: I

[0:11:34] Voice 3: meet lots of neighbors with dogs and children and we have quite a vibrant evening and sometimes

[0:11:39] Voice 3: mid-morning meetings and the traffic it comes up is of a different quality of neighborhood traffic.

[0:11:46] Voice 3: My teenage son who's actually neurodivergent struggles very much when traffic goes very

[0:11:54] Voice 3: quickly passed i don't know who that traffic is but i recognize my neighbors so it's usually not

[0:12:00] Voice 3: my neighbors it makes him and i

[0:12:03] Voice 3: uncomfortable to walk our dogs with freedom

[0:12:05] Voice 5: particularly if

[0:12:07] Voice 5: the

[0:12:07] Voice 3: action is one means when it's more likely to be people who maybe have invited more

[0:12:14] Voice 3: than might be safe to drive with full attention around dogs and children or even teenagers who

[0:12:20] Voice 3: their own departure so i completely have the expansion from tasting okay

[0:12:26] Voice 5: thank you next

[0:12:30] Voice 16: yes i am alex

[0:12:32] Voice 4: conradi right next to the area 275 for us we've owned our property there for

[0:12:39] Voice 4: over 30 years i have a good relationship with with the folks that

[0:12:44] Voice 17: work

[0:12:45] Voice 4: at the brewery

[0:12:46] Voice 4: But I must say that the reason for my speaking today is the question of trust of the owners of the brewery.

[0:12:56] Voice 4: We have a long history of promises made, not delivered on.

[0:13:02] Voice 4: We've had issues, numerous issues, with the septic problems that have been already referred to here.

[0:13:09] Voice 4: I have a concern with the fact that

[0:13:12] Voice 4: the brewery is intending to build a fourplex, a caretaker's or a brewmaster's house, in addition to the extension that is being talked about here.

[0:13:25] Voice 4: and that when you start getting people living there full-time um a an increased use of the

[0:13:34] Voice 4: washers in the actual proposed lounge that our septic problems will return

[0:13:43] Voice 4: additionally we've had noise issues in the past um we've had promises and i'm repeating myself

[0:13:50] Voice 4: of those that made by the owners of the brewery

[0:13:53] Voice 17: that

[0:13:54] Voice 4: these issues would be addressed and unfortunately

[0:13:58] Voice 12: i

[0:13:59] Voice 4: no longer trust what is being seen by the office of the brewery and so for that reason

[0:14:05] Voice 4: i would suggest

[0:14:05] Voice 17: that this application is important and next on the brewery um

[0:14:22] Voice 5: My

[0:14:23] Voice 17: name is Louie, I work at

[0:14:25] Voice 4: the brewery, it's been three years, so the first thing I want to say is that I've heard many times already today that the brewery is becoming a pub, so that is not true, there's a process we're going through,

[0:14:42] Voice 4: Any brewery that starts out comes without producing a taste room license and it's a very normal process to ask for a lounge and about 9 out of 10 breweries in D.C. went through that process.

[0:14:54] Voice 4: None of them became a pub, none of them became a disco club, it all stayed the same type of business.

[0:15:01] Voice 4: Also, there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what we are doing now and what we're going to be doing after.

[0:15:08] Voice 4: For now, all we're asking is the inside of the tasting room to be licensed as a lounge.

[0:15:13] Voice 4: The reason for that is because we have a picnic area, meaning that outside of our building,

[0:15:19] Voice 4: people can drink as much as they want. If we want to have a social dynamic area in the winter,

[0:15:26] Voice 4: we have to kick people out and they have to drink their beer out. Having a lounge license

[0:15:31] Voice 4: will only license the inside of the tasting room and allow us to keep people inside in the winter.

[0:15:36] Voice 4: In the summer, our K-serum is full capacity all the time, and this one won't have the capacity.

[0:15:42] Voice 4: We're at 45 capacity now.

[0:15:44] Voice 4: That brings five more people, so it's 50.

[0:15:46] Voice 4: So if we're not going to get more people in the summer, the goal is to have a place where we can welcome locals in the winter.

[0:15:53] Voice 4: And that's really what this application – another mistaken information that I heard today is, like, Mr. Forbes, the group –

[0:16:01] Voice 4: this is not Mr. Forbes asking for this lounge.

[0:16:04] Voice 4: It's me and Molly.

[0:16:06] Voice 4: and why are we asking that is because of the type of economy that this island has we cannot keep

[0:16:11] Voice 4: our employees full-time or they all that is the only reason why we're asking that so we can

[0:16:15] Voice 4: instead of having a super busy summer where we welcome all the tourists we can also like do

[0:16:21] Voice 4: community events inside the station in the winter the second point is like um many assumptions

[0:16:28] Voice 4: because you know no one here is a septic engineer um are made about the septic getting a lounge

[0:16:34] Voice 4: license will not raise the amount of waste water. Quite the opposite. We, you know, the goal,

[0:16:42] Voice 4: there's two ways to do this. We do a lot of panning, which means a lot of industrial noise,

[0:16:47] Voice 4: a lot of, you know, to can a thousand liter of beer in every individual can. We'll use a lot

[0:16:54] Voice 4: more water than if you can in 10, 15 liter gas. It's just a basic, you know, scale resource. So

[0:17:01] Voice 4: So the goal to have this long is also to lower our footprint in terms of carbon dioxide, in terms of wastewater, in terms of everything.

[0:17:10] Voice 4: So it's really absolutely not the way it was presented.

[0:17:16] Voice 4: Also, if you're correct what was said before, we didn't send lawyers because they put a tradition around us.

[0:17:23] Voice 4: We sent lawyers and people that said we killed little turtles and we were evil nuclear plant.

[0:17:28] Voice 4: That is not the same thing.

[0:17:30] Voice 4: and you know we have been trying to talk with the neighbors and we will keep doing so we've

[0:17:37] Voice 4: been putting sign we'll do everything that is our in our power and that is reasonable

[0:17:41] Voice 4: and all I can guarantee you is that you can look around in BC there's so many breweries that

[0:17:47] Voice 4: obtained their lounge license none of them changed none of them became a club that is just a normal

[0:17:53] Voice 4: process and the only reason this brewery didn't do it before is because of sales rate because

[0:17:58] Voice 4: is they actually make more business in the summer without a lot you know many business they put the

[0:18:05] Voice 4: limitation time so you can only stay an hour and the goal of that is you rotate you do a lot of

[0:18:09] Voice 4: rotation having a lounge won't make us do business like people will be able to stay longer so it's

[0:18:15] Voice 4: actually not clever in a financial way from us if we want to do it it's for the community it's

[0:18:20] Voice 4: for employees it's for the people there's many young couples like you know me and molly who live

[0:18:25] Voice 4: in the south and we have many friends of our age they they have nowhere to go if they want to meet

[0:18:31] Voice 4: over a beer and talk about projects they want to go workshop they have to go pull the wedding

[0:18:34] Voice 4: damages they used

[0:18:35] Voice 13: to be just going to ask you to wrap up please

[0:18:37] Voice 4: and so that would be just any any

[0:18:40] Voice 4: reason is for the community and it's not a big group that is asking you and i think i really

[0:18:47] Voice 4: much that you guys are going to support yourself hey i

[0:18:52] Voice 4: can uh

[0:18:53] Voice 17: next i'll add to

[0:18:55] Voice 5: that so i'm here in

[0:18:57] Voice 3: support of the breweries you may know i'm actually taking my partner who's the brewmaster i would

[0:19:02] Voice 3: like to say that we have listened to the concerns of our neighbors and done our best to cheer and

[0:19:06] Voice 3: work towards making it the

[0:19:07] Voice 5: same we

[0:19:09] Voice 3: have made a permanent science survey the neighborhood made

[0:19:11] Voice 3: announcements to the

[0:19:12] Voice 3: community board, put it on our

[0:19:14] Voice 3: website, make signs, put them all over our patio,

[0:19:18] Voice 3: make new signs, permanent, like semi-sweet or permanent signs,

[0:19:24] Voice 5: and

[0:19:28] Voice 5: we regularly

[0:19:29] Voice 5: make announcements on our social media, our carpool, and

[0:19:34] Voice 3: all these things.

[0:19:36] Voice 3: um we just want to keep our neighborhood safe and we um we posted a community contact board

[0:19:42] Voice 3: that we face post on our mailbox allowing everyone to reach out to us directly unfortunately we

[0:19:46] Voice 3: didn't get any response and only a counter poster and protest of us so now we understand that it's

[0:19:51] Voice 3: not to be too because it's nothing there's nothing that we can do um unfortunately uh we have 89

[0:19:57] Voice 3: support letters and they're all from salt spring i did read through them because there were some

[0:20:02] Voice 3: that were not consulted so we have 89 support letters um some of them yes are from here some

[0:20:07] Voice 3: of them i have friends that don't work at the brewery that are here um and not all of those

[0:20:12] Voice 3: people could be here

[0:20:13] Voice 3: because they have jobs for other reasons but we would just like to show our

[0:20:18] Voice 3: appreciation to everyone who has supported us our tasting room license only allows us to have one

[0:20:23] Voice 3: drink as louis said um it really doesn't change much you can drink what you want outside on the

[0:20:28] Voice 3: tidy license it would actually just have us be more in control of the inside and it would just

[0:20:33] Voice 3: have a we

[0:20:34] Voice 5: would just have a nice community vibe in the wintertime so we just want to make sure

[0:20:41] Voice 5: that everyone knows that what we ask for it's not a

[0:20:43] Voice 3: large difference um we want to see the

[0:20:47] Voice 3: brewery stay on island we want to keep our jobs one of our viewers is pregnant we want her to

[0:20:52] Voice 3: have her job back when she's back you know and at this point with all the inflation it's really hard

[0:20:57] Voice 3: to keep up um and we had to lay off almost all of our stuff in the wintertime um and um we understand

[0:21:06] Voice 3: that you know a lot

[0:21:07] Voice 5: of ready that they have

[0:21:08] Voice 3: airbnbs and everybody needs a little extra help

[0:21:10] Voice 3: we're asking for a little extra help um so uh we're just asking you know today to consider

[0:21:17] Voice 3: helping us we'd love to do more jobs and creating more jobs and creating safe space

[0:21:22] Voice 3: for the island

[0:21:24] Voice 3: as well as trying to make people happy

[0:21:28] Voice 3: and and also we do uh we give our spent grain to the farmers nearby which actually like directly

[0:21:35] Voice 3: feeds their cattle and then feeds the community um

[0:21:40] Voice 5: so i'll leave it with that but thank you for

[0:21:43] Voice 5: your time and i hope that yeah application

[0:21:46] Voice 3: thank you okay

[0:21:48] Voice 13: thank you and i think i saw more some

[0:21:49] Voice 13: more hands

[0:21:50] Voice 13: yes my name

[0:21:52] Voice 3: is Courtney I've been a server for almost two years now I actually got

[0:21:58] Voice 3: my job because first I was working at a farm I was working for a farmer and my job would be every

[0:22:03] Voice 3: week to come to the brewery and pick up big bins of grain so that's how I met these two

[0:22:08] Voice 3: and when the business picked up in the summertime last year or a year and a half ago I was offered

[0:22:16] Voice 3: position so i've been there for a while now i i do think it's kind of unfair to say that the brewery

[0:22:23] Voice 3: is not a local business we are we're not we're owned by a business in victoria however they are

[0:22:29] Voice 3: silent and we are completely the operators we do the gardening we do the tidying up all the

[0:22:35] Voice 3: recipes are made all the beer is made it's really it's like an opportunity for us young people to

[0:22:42] Voice 3: have like a business that feels like our own without being the amount of money required to

[0:22:48] Voice 3: invest and begin so i do think it feels really local we support the local farmers we support

[0:22:54] Voice 3: the local businesses on the road there's many farm stands that wouldn't have nearly as much

[0:22:59] Voice 3: business without our traffic down the road um inside the chasing room with local products for

[0:23:04] Voice 3: sale even as employees have an opportunity to sell our art or products that we may have

[0:23:10] Voice 3: um so i think it is a local business i think it's a local hub i think that we provide something that

[0:23:20] Voice 3: no one else on the island does as a brewery we're the only one um also i think that the brewery's

[0:23:26] Voice 3: been there for so many years that new new neighbors coming in and moving in i i think

[0:23:31] Voice 3: it's a little unreasonable to accept that it will never change it will never grow and i think it's

[0:23:36] Voice 3: unfair to stifle the growth of small business especially in the post-covid era where small

[0:23:42] Voice 3: businesses are just dropping like i think that something we should really be in support of

[0:23:47] Voice 3: um we want to keep our jobs but also we just want to provide an environment for local people

[0:23:53] Voice 3: to come we have lots of local um regulars my

[0:23:57] Voice 3: regular regulars they come get their ground

[0:23:59] Voice 3: roots filled they come stay one year they cycle from god knows where up and down these hills

[0:24:04] Voice 3: to come and drink here with us.

[0:24:06] Voice 3: And the lounge expansion is only for the tasting room.

[0:24:10] Voice 3: So it's only for a little room

[0:24:11] Voice 3: where I am overwatching everybody.

[0:24:14] Voice 3: I'm very concerned about consumption, thriving.

[0:24:18] Voice 3: And I understand walking your dog

[0:24:20] Voice 3: or your children down the road.

[0:24:23] Voice 3: You obviously want to feel safe,

[0:24:25] Voice 3: but the speed limit was posted at 15

[0:24:27] Voice 3: and we're not in control of that.

[0:24:29] Voice 3: So when someone's going by me

[0:24:31] Voice 3: on the narrow road at 50 kilometers,

[0:24:32] Voice 3: it does feel like a lot but it's not against the law so that's something that we can address maybe

[0:24:38] Voice 3: we can talk to highways or keep any control of the road and maybe 30s we posted our signs we're

[0:24:44] Voice 3: trying to be as considerate and function of what our neighbors want from us because we don't want

[0:24:50] Voice 3: conflict obviously we want to get along we want to have peers together um so i think that's

[0:24:56] Voice 3: something else maybe that we can address through different means thank

[0:25:02] Voice 17: you in the back

[0:25:05] Voice 3: i know this is a difficult decision for you because we have people on both sides that have

[0:25:12] Voice 3: important and so i would urge you to be based on the principle and the principle

[0:25:19] Voice 3: When people buy property, they do their diligence, they look and see what's around them, what

[0:25:26] Voice 3: kind of zoning they have around them, and they buy the property based on that.

[0:25:31] Voice 3: That's why a property requires a repair, like this, which changes the building.

[0:25:38] Voice 3: In this case, the people who live there don't want this.

[0:25:42] Voice 3: And I think, how would you feel if you bought a house in your neighborhood, and someone

[0:25:48] Voice 3: suddenly, you know, change the uses around you, and you can

[0:25:51] Voice 3: block the property based on the expectation of what was allowed.

[0:25:56] Voice 3: And I think you would be upset. I would be upset. The people who

[0:26:00] Voice 3: come here today, they probably have never done this before. But

[0:26:04] Voice 3: I've seen countless situations like this. And what happens a

[0:26:08] Voice 3: lot of times when there's a difficult decision to make, the

[0:26:12] Voice 3: trustee, they put it off. And that's a terrible burden on

[0:26:17] Voice 3: everybody involved and so i urge you to make a decision today and deny this and put it to rest

[0:26:25] Voice 3: and let these people go back to their homes knowing that it's only meant something and and

[0:26:31] Voice 3: that they the government

[0:26:32] Voice 17: thank you thank you i

[0:26:39] Voice 13: was going to come

[0:26:40] Voice 3: back to this issue okay well

[0:26:43] Voice 13: let me then i'm i'm just going to continue in the direction i was going and so i

[0:26:47] Voice 13: will come back to

[0:26:48] Voice 13: you. So right in the back.

[0:26:52] Voice 3: My name is Claire McKenzie and I live at 2390 Colbert Gaines

[0:26:56] Voice 3: Road, which is within walking distance to the brewery. I'm

[0:26:59] Voice 3: proud to have it in my neighbourhood and I'd love to

[0:27:02] Voice 3: see this application be approved to allow

[0:27:05] Voice 5: the community in the

[0:27:07] Voice 5: Boulder Valley.

[0:27:09] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for that. And continuing in this direction.

[0:27:12] Voice 4: Was there anyone else in the back here? Okay. Right in the

[0:27:15] Voice 4: Hi. My

[0:27:18] Voice 12: name is Bruno Born, 271 Furness. I would like to know how the island planner,

[0:27:24] Voice 12: Anthony Fontino, thinks it's a great idea to open a pub-style establishment at the brewery

[0:27:31] Voice 12: in a rural residential area. The brewery is located on a dead-end, poorly maintained road.

[0:27:38] Voice 12: It is a narrow road with no center line, no sidewalk, no lighting, and no access to public

[0:27:46] Voice 12: transportation up in the middle of nowhere are we insane this makes no sense the statement that

[0:27:55] Voice 12: brewery that they have support from the neighborhood is completely false lying in

[0:27:59] Voice 12: their application about no need for noise mitigation because it's naturally treated for

[0:28:05] Voice 12: instance is not true the lot has been clear-cut i

[0:28:10] Voice 17: definitely against it and thank you

[0:28:16] Voice 17: right here okay

[0:28:17] Voice 3: i i didn't come here to speak to this but i i've listened to the comments

[0:28:21] Voice 3: i do live in south bend i would be considered a neighbor of the brewery i'm not an immediate

[0:28:27] Voice 3: neighbor um people have a right to work they have a right to the lawful enjoyment of their property

[0:28:34] Voice 3: this is a long-standing business um i've only lived here since march but it seems to me that

[0:28:41] Voice 3: salt spring island and we'll speak to this a bit later with my concerns

[0:28:44] Voice 5: how's

[0:28:45] Voice 3: the problems with

[0:28:45] Voice 3: neighbors trying to prevent people from the lawful use and enjoyment of their property and the right

[0:28:51] Voice 3: to work salt spring island is old we need these young people we need their entrepreneurial spirit

[0:29:00] Voice 3: they are asking for if they are correct five more people to be allowed in their establishment and

[0:29:07] Voice 3: to be able to have work in the wintertime and to be able to have people stay longer which means

[0:29:12] Voice 3: there will be less traffic on that road they're not responsible for provincial speed limits they're

[0:29:19] Voice 3: not responsible for the width of the road and any environmental concerns which may in fact be quite

[0:29:26] Voice 3: valid are provincial jurisdiction so if there are provincial concerns absolutely the neighbors

[0:29:34] Voice 3: should go to the province and the ministry of the environment but as far as allowing these young

[0:29:41] Voice 3: people to work in the winter i 100 as a neighbor and south southern island resident in favor of

[0:29:48] Voice 3: their application on record and that is not why i came thank

[0:29:53] Voice 13: you right uh any other speakers on the

[0:29:58] Voice 13: brewery

[0:29:58] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:30:00] Voice 7: okay

[0:30:00] Voice 13: uh so other issues oh yes i

[0:30:03] Voice 7: have one sure thing is quite i think important uh i know that

[0:30:07] Voice 7: you said 50 patients with an additional 50 and your other statements say 25 and it's like the

[0:30:13] Voice 7: other paperwork done by miss harding and then they also say that they don't want to serve just

[0:30:19] Voice 7: beer i think if they were serving just beer we'd be more on top of it but they want to bring in

[0:30:23] Voice 7: and wine and cider and local spirits as well.

[0:30:27] Voice 4: Not a conversation here, but thank you.

[0:30:33] Voice 4: I have just one.

[0:30:35] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:30:36] Voice 4: At the last meeting,

[0:30:38] Voice 4: there was a discussion or talk about a good neighbors agreement.

[0:30:44] Voice 4: I do think that that should be something that is perceived.

[0:30:49] Voice 4: right now when we have an issue we talk management and

[0:30:55] Voice 17: as long

[0:30:58] Voice 4: as they can do something about the

[0:31:00] Voice 4: issue so it's within their powers they try to help and i'm speaking for these people here

[0:31:06] Voice 4: but if it involves an investment or

[0:31:09] Voice 16: more money and then it goes back to the

[0:31:11] Voice 16: in Victoria, and we have

[0:31:15] Voice 17: found very, very little support.

[0:31:18] Voice 17: And so to have an agreement that outlines

[0:31:24] Voice 17: a mutual understanding of

[0:31:26] Voice 16: this is what's acceptable,

[0:31:29] Voice 16: this is what is not acceptable,

[0:31:31] Voice 16: and then the ability to enforce

[0:31:36] Voice 16: transgressions of that is critical.

[0:31:38] Voice 16: Right now, we can speak until we're blue in the face

[0:31:41] Voice 16: and nothing happens.

[0:31:43] Voice 16: I'm not talking about the good neighbor agreement.

[0:31:46] Voice 13: Again, not a conversation, so I'm just going to look

[0:31:49] Voice 4: for hands and

[0:31:49] Voice 13: then I'll call on you.

[0:31:50] Voice 13: So, yes.

[0:31:53] Voice 4: So talking about the good neighbor agreement, I think we looked into that option.

[0:31:58] Unfortunately, from a juristical point of view, it wouldn't have any work.

[0:32:03] That is why I think, you know, we can do one, be really willing to do it.

[0:32:09] it um but in front of the law it just basically we're doing

[0:32:13] Voice 4: respect to violence you know what i

[0:32:16] Voice 4: mean so that won't it won't be involved that from what we understand we were ready to sign it but

[0:32:22] Voice 4: you know the from a low point of view apparently it doesn't really have any value

[0:32:27] Voice 4: um so this is why we can push it forward but we are very welcome to to do any good neighbor

[0:32:33] Voice 4: agreement that would engage you know um whatever you want in that agreement but you know it's really

[0:32:40] Voice 4: uh work that you would need to have about

[0:32:44] Voice 17: my opinion okay thank you i have a question yes

[0:32:50] Voice 17: please um

[0:32:51] Voice 14: this just goes to the people that are speaking against the um application

[0:32:58] Voice 14: who that

[0:32:59] Voice 17: is speaking against it um owned their properties prior to this being

[0:33:06] Voice 17: a brewery? Are there any?

[0:33:10] Voice 17: No, part O, part

[0:33:11] Voice 17: E.

[0:33:12] Voice 17: So

[0:33:16] Voice 4: the brewery was

[0:33:17] Voice 4: created by...

[0:33:18] Voice 14: So you did

[0:33:21] Voice 14: only before it was a brewery? Yes.

[0:33:23] Voice 14: Okay, one more question, please.

[0:33:26] Voice 14: When did it become a brewery?

[0:33:29] Voice 14: I don't

[0:33:30] Voice 14: have the exact

[0:33:32] Voice 14: date in

[0:33:33] Voice 16: my mind

[0:33:34] Voice 16: immediately, but I could

[0:33:35] Voice 16: i could answer that brewery started off as a

[0:33:40] Voice 4: little business between two guys and grew um and

[0:33:48] Voice 4: to my understanding illegally for a good number of years i think i remember it was back in the

[0:33:55] Voice 4: 90s okay again that was just a conversation um so but just to further my reply um

[0:34:04] Voice 4: Dean, I find it interesting that a business that started off really operating illegally,

[0:34:13] Voice 4: my wife and I bought our property to retire here and now a business that

[0:34:20] Voice 4: started off really on the

[0:34:21] Voice 4: wrong side of the law is encroaching on all of our ability to have peaceful enjoyment

[0:34:28] Voice 4: enjoyment of our long-term dream and that includes I think others might have talked to this as well

[0:34:39] Voice 4: you know the opening up of that whole property to the point where now you no longer have a

[0:34:48] Voice 4: a group of trees that screen the brewery

[0:34:52] Voice 14: okay I get it more than answered my question

[0:34:54] Voice 14: all right

[0:34:56] Voice 13: and uh i just like to uh request that if people want to speak again that you're going

[0:35:00] Voice 13: to offer something new and and again uh be succinct because we do have other business today so

[0:35:07] Voice 13: go ahead i

[0:35:08] Voice 3: just have one thing to add to that because it's a really good question the difference

[0:35:12] Voice 3: between we bought our properties knowing that there was a brewery there there was a huge

[0:35:17] Voice 3: difference this is something i said at the last meeting there's a huge difference between a

[0:35:21] Voice 3: a tasting room license which allows one beer or one flight of beer and a lounge license which is

[0:35:28] Voice 3: what they're asking for which allows you however much beer cider wine whatever it is that you want

[0:35:35] Voice 3: to drink as long as you do not have the appearance of being over served that is a huge difference and

[0:35:42] Voice 3: that shouldn't be overlooked i am i know the brewery has stated they do not want to become a

[0:35:46] Voice 3: bar that that is what they're asking for and if their owners are saying we want to become a bar

[0:35:53] Voice 3: we want to push that this license gives them the ability to do that that's

[0:35:58] Voice 1: the only thing i want to

[0:35:58] Voice 1: that's a big difference

[0:35:59] Voice 3: okay

[0:36:01] Voice 15: and and again i don't want to get a back and forth revival type

[0:36:05] Voice 15: situation so we have something new that i just want

[0:36:07] Voice 4: to clarify that um we can't serve as much

[0:36:10] Voice 4: transferable as we go outside that is a fact thank

[0:36:13] Voice 15: you okay so any new information on this and then

[0:36:17] Voice 15: um then we're ready to move on

[0:36:18] Voice 4: to another topic so just one yes question uh members of the public

[0:36:24] Voice 4: mentioned petitions they are

[0:36:27] Voice 4: to be submitted um now would be the right time if they want to be

[0:36:33] Voice 4: things that are not just your side

[0:36:34] Voice 3: map of the neighborhood opposition my letter additional

[0:36:41] Voice 3: letters from community members and another letter thank you oh and information from lc including the

[0:36:46] Voice 3: reports so

[0:36:49] Voice 13: other topics i know that you you want to speak and just look around and see if there's

[0:36:56] Voice 13: any other topics that want to be raised today okay so please please go ahead

[0:37:00] Voice 17: okay so i have to

[0:37:03] Voice 3: Yeah, so I'm a new resident of Salt Spring Island. I moved here in March. I purchased

[0:37:12] Voice 3: the property that had not been maintained for 30 years in the south end. I have been improving my

[0:37:20] Voice 3: property. I have been, in fact, fire smarting my property, removing dilapidated, run-down

[0:37:27] Voice 3: wooden structures, removing undergrowth, removing pine cones, pine needles, piled up things on top

[0:37:34] Voice 3: of roofs again for 30 years i'm i put drainage around my foundation i have a new kind of roof

[0:37:41] Voice 3: on my house we're doing siding it is noisy for my neighbors i have apologized multiple times

[0:37:47] Voice 3: i have gone to them and let them know what's happening i in fact bought gift baskets from

[0:37:53] Voice 3: a local business here and took them around hundred dollar gift baskets to each and every

[0:37:58] Voice 3: one of my neighbors in an apology uh

[0:38:01] Voice 5: one

[0:38:02] Voice 3: of my neighbors i guess i don't know who which doesn't

[0:38:05] Voice 3: really matter uh could be more than one i don't know uh repeatedly calls the fire department um

[0:38:13] Voice 3: to the point where um yesterday the fire chief came out and told my excavator ian marcotte's

[0:38:24] Voice 3: excavator that he could not pick up sticks from the side of my driveway put them in a truck and

[0:38:31] Voice 3: remove them so because of these complaints i've been in conversation with the ministry

[0:38:38] Voice 3: of natural resources investigator compliance and enforcement branch and here's where i'm

[0:38:45] Voice 3: going to drop a bomb on salt spring island there is no chainsaw ban there is no one o'clock ban

[0:38:53] Voice 3: and for chainsawing on private property,

[0:38:55] Voice 3: there is no permit required.

[0:38:59] Voice 3: And the enforcement officer yesterday in conversation,

[0:39:04] Voice 3: we went through the Salt Spring Island bylaws as well

[0:39:07] Voice 3: and said, you are not a cut block.

[0:39:09] Voice 3: No residential property on Salt Spring Island

[0:39:12] Voice 3: is a cut block.

[0:39:14] Voice 3: The Salt Spring Island Fire Department

[0:39:17] Voice 3: has been bullying people on this island

[0:39:21] Voice 3: and now it's acting outside of the law

[0:39:23] Voice 5: for quite

[0:39:25] Voice 3: some time to the point where yesterday what

[0:39:29] Voice 3: happened is actionable a worker was told he couldn't work a business was told they could

[0:39:35] Voice 3: not do business and a property owner was told she could not lawfully use her property i am requesting

[0:39:44] Voice 3: suggesting that the Islands Trust immediately clarify this with the provincial government

[0:39:50] Voice 3: and immediately post notice that there is no such thing as a chainsaw ban on private property

[0:39:59] Voice 3: in any island. In fact, the entire province. There is no chainsaw ban. There is no one o'clock cuddle

[0:40:06] Voice 3: and there is no requirement for a permit and fire department chiefs cannot arbitrarily act

[0:40:13] Voice 3: outside of the law to bully people on because of their neighbors who do not

[0:40:18] Voice 3: like noise people have a right to work people have a right to lawfully use

[0:40:23] Voice 3: their properties if the Salt Spring Island Fire Department continues in

[0:40:29] Voice 3: their behavior it is actionable and by actionable I mean I don't know how long

[0:40:36] Voice 3: this has been going on I've only lived here three months four months and I have

[0:40:39] Voice 3: figured out that the Salt Spring Island Fire Department is acting unlawfully and

[0:40:43] Voice 3: wasn't that hard to figure out so every business on this island that has been told to shut down

[0:40:51] Voice 3: for two or three months every summer actually has a legal claim against the fire department

[0:40:56] Voice 3: every person has been told they cannot lawfully the fire department came out to tell me i couldn't

[0:41:02] Voice 3: plain wood they came out to harass a 27 year old young man

[0:41:06] Voice 15: i'd like you to to wrap up and

[0:41:08] Voice 15: adults would like to point out that the fire department isn't the jurisdiction of the local

[0:41:12] Voice 15: trust but please yeah

[0:41:15] Voice 3: but i'm not sure how the jurisdiction works it's a little confusing

[0:41:20] Voice 13: understandable um i'm not

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick: laughing at you that was a valid statement it's

[0:41:24] Voice 3: super confusing it's

[0:41:26] Voice 3: super confusing um been working on this for a while but i have a i have a letter to submit

[0:41:31] Voice 3: i apologize this is the wrong format for this um fire department on salt spring island is

[0:41:39] Voice 3: This overstepping has been overstepping.

[0:41:40] Voice 3: And I personally will make it my mission to inform everyone that they are.

[0:41:47] Voice 3: And so if this is a public venue, then I will state it publicly.

[0:41:52] Voice 3: Here's the letter.

[0:41:54] Voice 3: And, you know, that's it.

[0:41:57] Voice 3: But this is ridiculous.

[0:41:58] Voice 3: People have a right to work.

[0:41:59] Voice 3: It speaks to that concept of neighbors not liking noise or neighbors not liking what someone is doing.

[0:42:08] Voice 3: I'm sorry, everyone who's just complaining about my property lives on a clear lot.

[0:42:12] Voice 3: They live on a lot that was excavated.

[0:42:15] Voice 3: They have white-collar jobs, I'm assuming, because they're home during the day to complain, or don't work.

[0:42:22] Voice 3: They are not working in trades during the day because they're home to complain.

[0:42:27] Voice 3: So people have a right to work. Young people have a right to work.

[0:42:30] Voice 3: Businesses have a right to operate. And you know what? Sometimes they make noise.

[0:42:36] Voice 3: that's just the way it is sometimes there are trucks on roads that's just the way it is it's

[0:42:40] Voice 3: called life and salt spring island needs life they need businesses they need people to work

[0:42:45] Voice 3: people have a right to operate locally on their own properties now i'm done thank

[0:42:51] Voice 14: you i just have

[0:42:51] Voice 14: a quick question or comment um i'd love to talk with you at another time as a trustee but just as

[0:42:59] Voice 14: of police is very important oh

[0:43:01] Voice 3: yeah and i'm talking to every person who works in this industry

[0:43:05] Voice 3: on this island so

[0:43:06] Voice 14: this has your that's

[0:43:07] Voice 3: that's i'll give you my contact but that's the letter

[0:43:10] Voice 3: from the enforcement officer okay

[0:43:13] Voice 14: yeah but if you leave your number if you're going to leave

[0:43:15] Voice 14: prior to thank you sorry

[0:43:17] Voice 3: it's the wrong jurisdiction i have no idea

[0:43:19] Voice 3: fair enough

[0:43:21] Voice 13: well i want it back

[0:43:23] Voice 5: um

[0:43:24] Voice 13: okay then anything else for town hall not

[0:43:29] Voice 15: seeing any i'll

[0:43:30] Voice 15: move along um so you have no delegations today and this brings us to trustee reports uh those

[0:43:39] Voice 14: trustees who would like to go first today i'm sure i will um yeah great to hear everybody's

[0:43:44] Voice 14: and comments today and um i don't have a lot to report very short last night we had a we're

[0:43:51] Voice 14: pretty good town hall down for the legion um i know it's difficult for

[0:43:56] Voice 4: for everybody to realize

[0:43:57] Voice 4: when these meetings are and try to get the word out as fast as possible but it's it was nice to

[0:44:06] Voice 4: see we had more 30 people come out downstairs

[0:44:08] Voice 14: to the legion working folks um that generally

[0:44:11] Voice 14: don't get to come to these meetings because of the lead and pills anyways

[0:44:17] Voice 17: i'll keep it at that

[0:44:18] Voice 17: um

[0:44:19] Voice 4: um well

[0:44:21] Trustee Patrick: i was glad to have participated in a workshop that the salt spring solutions organized

[0:44:29] Trustee Patrick: with staff and elected officials from the crd the north salt spring water district and the islands

[0:44:34] Trustee Patrick: trust and i really want to thank our regional planning manager chris hutton and our director

[0:44:39] Trustee Patrick: Stefan Cermak for their contribution to the discussions. The purpose of the workshop was

[0:44:45] Trustee Patrick: to discuss the barriers and opportunities to improve the working relationships between

[0:44:49] Trustee Patrick: our agencies. I felt the day was very worthwhile and I think there was a good momentum to

[0:44:57] Trustee Patrick: get out of our silos. I should note that the Southern Gulf Island Electoral Area Director

[0:45:03] Trustee Patrick: and his alternate and their um associated staff from the crd um for the southern gulf island

[0:45:09] Trustee Patrick: electoral area were also in attendance of the workshop there's probably a little little unknown

[0:45:15] Trustee Patrick: fact that the the salt spring island local trust area which is the area of our jurisdiction has uh

[0:45:23] Trustee Patrick: we share jurisdiction with the southern gulf island electoral area so i don't only we don't

[0:45:27] Trustee Patrick: only have a relationship with gary we also have a relationship with the electoral area director of

[0:45:31] Trustee Patrick: the southern Gulf Islands, because many of the outer islands are in that electoral area.

[0:45:37] Trustee Patrick: I just thought one of the exercises we did was to map what we called the housing ecosystem.

[0:45:44] Trustee Patrick: It was all the organizations and how they relate to each other in terms of housing on our island.

[0:45:49] Trustee Patrick: You don't need to see this, but you see a lot of dots on there. Every dot is a different level of

[0:45:55] Trustee Patrick: government and organization. That's why I kind of laughed when the woman was like, I don't know who

[0:45:59] Trustee Patrick: who does what? It's a very complicated out there. I'll let Tim speak about the Trust Council

[0:46:10] Trustee Patrick: meeting we had just the week before last, but Trust Council did agree to pass an interim

[0:46:17] Trustee Patrick: strategic plan, and it included working on a suite of projects that will develop healthy,

[0:46:24] Trustee Patrick: resilient island communities by employing two lenses, mitigating and adapting to the effects

[0:46:30] Trustee Patrick: of climate change and managing growth by cultivating equitable inclusive and resilient

[0:46:35] Trustee Patrick: communities in the natural environment so i was very glad to see that added to our strategic plan

[0:46:41] Trustee Patrick: and i really want to thank staff for pulling together the housing action plan for the housing

[0:46:46] Trustee Patrick: accelerator grant application that's in our that we're going to be discussing later today

[0:46:50] Trustee Patrick: i really appreciate the effort and was impressed that they were able to pull all the thoughtful

[0:46:55] Trustee Patrick: great strings together and um we'll be talking about that later so again thank you

[0:47:00] Voice 4: yeah

[0:47:01] Voice 13: thank you for that

[0:47:02] Voice 4: uh next is my parents

[0:47:04] Voice 13: report um report that it's a lovely time to be

[0:47:10] Voice 13: back on salt spring um it's really encouraging to see uh so many folks come out to the town hall

[0:47:17] Voice 4: section last night and to have people uh come and address us again

[0:47:21] Voice 13: today um especially as uh

[0:47:25] Voice 13: uh a person elected and living on a different island it's really important for me to be able

[0:47:29] Voice 13: to hear uh from a range of perspectives here so i really appreciate when people come out and

[0:47:35] Voice 13: and talk um uh so uh trust council was at the end of

[0:47:41] Voice 4: june it was our first on island uh trust

[0:47:44] Voice 4: council meeting since march of 2020 when we just prior to the pandemic when we had our

[0:47:50] Voice 4: trust council here on salt spring um uh trust patrick mentioned that we did a strategic planning

[0:47:57] Voice 4: um work and uh one of the priorities that was at us is that the new corporate planning process

[0:48:05] Voice 4: um which is based on the uh the governance review report so that's uh

[0:48:12] Voice 4: we're making some

[0:48:14] Voice 4: progress in in that direction um prioritizing uh elements of strategic projects that support

[0:48:23] Voice 4: land use decision making um i think another important uh piece was uh a resolution was

[0:48:33] Voice 4: passed to uh staff to uh look at the uh a longer referral response uh time for first nations uh to

[0:48:43] Voice 13: to

[0:48:43] Voice 4: improve

[0:48:44] Voice 15: our communications for the reconciliation

[0:48:47] Voice 15: and to really to engage.

[0:48:49] Voice 15: I think this is one of the most important parts

[0:48:51] Voice 15: is to engage with the First Nations themselves

[0:48:53] Voice 4: on how to improve the process.

[0:48:56] Voice 4: I think anyone that's been involved on either end of it

[0:49:00] Voice 4: would probably agree the process as it is

[0:49:03] Voice 4: is woefully inadequate and often far from respectful communication

[0:49:12] communication that we

[0:49:14] Voice 15: all, I think, aspire to.

[0:49:20] Voice 15: We amended the Council Committee Systems Terms of Reference to the new Accessibility Committee,

[0:49:31] Voice 15: which is mandated by

[0:49:32] Voice 17: the province, and there's a report

[0:49:41] Voice 13: out, a press release out today that

[0:49:43] Voice 13: covers some of the other bits of that.

[0:49:44] Voice 13: so i don't i won't uh carry on any further with that um

[0:49:48] Voice 4: and uh we'll turn over to

[0:49:52] Voice 4: director holman

[0:49:54] Voice 15: for uh oh i know i

[0:49:56] Voice 13: was going to add one other thing which is related to what patrick said

[0:50:00] Voice 13: about the

[0:50:01] Voice 4: uh uh the other southern uh gulf island uh electoral area director paul bright

[0:50:06] Voice 4: and just let everyone know that i have invited him to come and uh and

[0:50:11] Voice 15: uh to one of these meetings and

[0:50:13] Voice 15: he indicated that he will but he didn't have it he hasn't set a time or committed to a specific

[0:50:18] Voice 15: time

[0:50:18] Voice 4: but he is interested in coming in and coming to at least one of or more of these meetings so

[0:50:24] Trustee Patrick: perhaps a meeting on pierce island at

[0:50:28] Voice 4: a rate so i'm going to pass it over to director holland

[0:50:31] Voice 4: please yeah thanks chair and thanks we'll trust me for allowing this opportunity um

[0:50:37] Voice 4: the local 3d commission which was elected on the 27th for uh commissioners and myself i had our

[0:50:45] Voice 4: second meeting on july 11th we're meeting again july 18th you can see the agenda and they did

[0:50:51] Voice 4: the package on the crd website uh and in our second meeting um as a trade-in between uh

[0:51:00] Voice 4: deciding on the commission budget for the various services that the lcc is taking over which is

[0:51:06] Voice 4: on the small local services um we met with the representatives from the four appointed

[0:51:15] Voice 4: volunteer commissions that were dissolved so basically what happened is we dissolved the

[0:51:20] Voice 4: various uh crd volunteer commissions and consolidated uh authority and control over

[0:51:29] Voice 4: all of those services into the elected body and so now there are five uh elected folks on the

[0:51:36] Voice 4: security side and i'm just one person deciding what the budget will be which is i think a step

[0:51:41] Voice 4: forward well uh voters agree they have to agree to establish sales to see so it's definitely a

[0:51:48] Voice 4: democratic improvement uh for example one of the things we'll be talking about next week

[0:51:52] Voice 4: uh july 18th will be a active transportation plan for ganges uh which is going to be proposing a

[0:52:01] Voice 4: number of um uh infrastructure or investments in improving cycling and pedestrian infrastructure

[0:52:09] Voice 4: in the in the village um and so there'll be some options there provided to the lcc and the lcc will

[0:52:17] Voice 4: decide how to move forward um the i also attended the workshop um with uh trustee patrick and uh

[0:52:26] Voice 4: i'm really good interagency meeting i believe we're committed to convening periodically that

[0:52:34] Voice 4: brings various agencies involved in affordable housing together to discuss uh possibilities i

[0:52:41] Voice 4: notice on the agenda that um my uh summary or outline of progress we have made some progress

[0:52:48] Voice 4: with affordable housing uh and opportunities is actually on the agenda so it's quite

[0:52:52] Voice 4: and uh the key um i guess uh point that i'm trying to make around affordable housing is

[0:53:01] Voice 4: is uh that right now there are six properties on salt spring already zoned or designated for

[0:53:11] Voice 4: multi-family housing um and the uh the scarce resource there is not coordination collaboration

[0:53:20] although i think we can definitely the the approval

[0:53:25] Voice 4: process make it simpler

[0:53:27] Voice 4: of over 200 units already zoned.

[0:53:30] Voice 4: The trust has already basically done its job.

[0:53:34] Voice 4: Well, that includes the Sears and Drake Road property,

[0:53:37] Voice 4: which is owned by a housing corporation.

[0:53:39] Voice 4: It's been leased to BC Housing,

[0:53:41] Voice 4: which is declaring paramount so that only people

[0:53:43] Voice 4: through zoning have to meet building code,

[0:53:45] Voice 4: all regulations are in place to dispose of it.

[0:53:49] Voice 4: That's the key point that I believe is missing

[0:53:53] Voice 4: in the Sustrans Solutions report.

[0:53:55] Voice 4: report, and I was trying to emphasize

[0:53:57] Voice 4: the workshop. These are

[0:53:59] Voice 4: opportunities that

[0:54:02] Voice 4: already

[0:54:04] Voice 4: exist, and

[0:54:05] Voice 4: the scarce resource there

[0:54:07] Voice 4: isn't an entity to coordinate

[0:54:09] Voice 4: with the scarce resources funding

[0:54:11] Voice 4: because all the land is being

[0:54:13] Voice 4: secured. We don't have to buy the land,

[0:54:15] Voice 4: but you still need additional equity

[0:54:17] Voice 4: to make whatever you build there

[0:54:19] Voice 4: truly affordable, and anybody

[0:54:21] Voice 4: who's built recently understands

[0:54:23] Voice 4: the building costs are

[0:54:25] Voice 4: are you know so you do need um additional equity that's the scarce resource that's our challenge

[0:54:31] Voice 4: is to try and seek funding both from the regional logistics you may have to see housing

[0:54:38] Voice 4: simple to say uh but hard to do funding is the is the key resource there um at the uh electoral

[0:54:45] Voice 4: Corollary and CRE4 meeting yesterday, we considered a staff report regarding enforcement practices

[0:54:58] Voice 4: for alternative forms of housing, which is a very difficult issue that both the trust

[0:55:03] Voice 4: and the CRE4 deal with, given the housing prices.

[0:55:06] Voice 4: There's all kinds of dwellings that may not necessarily be building code that may have

[0:55:12] Voice 4: health and safety issues.

[0:55:14] Voice 4: is it's a real problem for regulatory bodies.

[0:55:20] Voice 4: The CRD is the sort of the keeper of the building code,

[0:55:24] Voice 4: which is primarily to address health and safety concerns.

[0:55:30] Voice 4: And yet, if you've applied the bylaws strictly,

[0:55:35] Voice 4: you'd be evicting a lot of people

[0:55:37] Voice 4: who don't have an alternative.

[0:55:38] Voice 4: So it's a real problem that we all struggle with.

[0:55:42] Voice 4: so staff are recommending essentially continuing with security's existing practice in terms of

[0:55:48] Voice 4: enforcement where we enforce if there is a complaint a valid complaint not an extensions one

[0:55:54] Voice 4: or a frivolous one and and we enforce where there's

[0:56:00] Voice 4: safety health and environmental concerns so it's kind of a continuation of an existing

[0:56:07] Voice 4: policy, I guess.

[0:56:09] Voice 4: Seerity bylaw enforcement do not go looking for issues,

[0:56:13] Voice 4: but in the course of their duties or

[0:56:15] Voice 4: sometimes that's because the neighbor doesn't get along, but

[0:56:20] Voice 4: you have to rely on task professionalism.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: We only act in those

[0:56:28] Voice 4: situations. We don't go looking for non-conforming housing.

[0:56:32] Voice 4: We also passed a resolution getting the City Board to advocate to the province to review

[0:56:42] Voice 4: the inclusion of alternative forms of housing within the BC Building Code.

[0:56:46] Voice 4: So for example, a key example would be tiny homes, which are happening all over the place.

[0:56:53] Voice 4: In fact, we just put a notice on title on a person who built a tiny home on the advice

[0:56:59] Voice 4: of a contractor uh which i believe is a problem fairly widespread on salisbury where contractors

[0:57:05] Voice 4: may say hey no problem we're consistent with the building code or this is just like an rd or a

[0:57:10] Voice 4: mobile home and that's not the case and so this person has invested a lot of money in building

[0:57:16] Voice 4: a tiny home and now have run afoul of um of building inspection and bylaw enforcement so

[0:57:24] Voice 4: So in those cases, we put a notice on the title of the property

[0:57:28] Voice 4: warning any potential future buyer

[0:57:32] Voice 4: that the dwelling on the property does not need to go.

[0:57:37] Voice 4: We know that I think is a good practice

[0:57:41] Voice 4: because buyers should understand what they're getting

[0:57:44] Voice 4: and buyers should understand that the buying

[0:57:46] Voice 4: didn't necessarily get it from an entire person.

[0:57:49] Voice 4: So that's our normal process.

[0:57:51] Voice 4: If and when the owner can resolve those issues, it costs $500 to remove that, like a red flag and it costs $500 to take it off and resolve the issue.

[0:58:04] Voice 4: So we're going to continue to get some legal advice and we need to do some more work in particular around recreation vehicles,

[0:58:14] Voice 4: vehicles, which again is another form of housing that people frequently have to resort to because

[0:58:22] Voice 4: they're no longer alternatives.

[0:58:25] Voice 4: You notice the article in Driftwood about the sampling in the harbour at the request

[0:58:30] Voice 4: of the Cash and Poole series staff took a couple of additional samples in or near, one

[0:58:39] Voice 4: One was near the Centennial Dock, one over at the end of Churchill Road, to have a look at the water quality.

[0:58:46] Voice 4: And as the article was quite, well, then I thought a good summary of the results.

[0:58:54] Voice 4: And the results were that they were looking in particular for fecal contamination, which can be at certain levels can be a real health concern.

[0:59:03] Voice 4: And the people council were well below what Island Health considers to be a health issue.

[0:59:14] Voice 4: That doesn't mean it's necessarily risk-free or clean.

[0:59:19] Voice 4: I'm not sure I would go swimming in the harbor, but nevertheless, that work was done.

[0:59:24] Voice 4: But the article, and particularly the editorial, pointed out that, okay, you do have some fecal counts there, but you can't necessarily attribute that to liverworts.

[0:59:39] Voice 5: It

[0:59:40] Voice 4: could be coming from stormwater, it could be coming from septic systems.

[0:59:44] Voice 4: systems. So just because there is some people contamination on the harbor doesn't necessarily

[0:59:51] Voice 4: mean that you can point to the liveaboards as a key source of the problem. Well, not to

[0:59:57] Voice 4: mention recreational voters who come.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: Although, in most cases, we're very comfortable with that.

[1:00:03] Voice 4: In any case, we've done that work.

[1:00:06] Voice 4: The issue of

[1:00:07] Voice 5: better

[1:00:08] Voice 4: managing the harbor has become pretty controversial and heated.

[1:00:13] Voice 4: I believe that we should be trying to do a better job managing what's going on out there.

[1:00:19] Voice 4: It's not just contamination of the water.

[1:00:21] Voice 4: There's safety concerns with the kinds of vessels.

[1:00:24] Voice 4: And again, out of desperation, but we can and should be doing a better job.

[1:00:30] Voice 4: In my view, I think the CASHI group has kind of grabbed the long end of the stick, which

[1:00:35] is to go right to local government, go right to the trust,

[1:00:38] Voice 4: and requesting them to venture

[1:00:42] Voice 4: into an area where angels fear to tread, and by angels, I mean senior governments who really

[1:00:48] Voice 4: have authority over the heart rate and are completely ignoring it.

[1:00:51] Voice 4: It's just, as some local governments, quite often are being forced to step in because

[1:00:56] Voice 4: it's a completely unregulated situation.

[1:00:59] Voice 4: So when I was interviewed by the CACHE folks, and to their credit, you know, they were interviewing

[1:01:05] Voice 4: various community local government agencies to see how to proceed, my advice to them was

[1:01:12] Voice 4: to the province with MLA Olson and Elizabeth May and press them to live up to their

[1:01:23] responsibilities to manage the hardware not just a right to address the right to the CRD

[1:01:28] Voice 4: to step in here and you know take over there's huge liability issues for local government

[1:01:35] Voice 4: you know and even governments that have much more in the way of capacity and resources

[1:01:41] Voice 4: resources that are relevant to the concept of that. Central Saanich is an example. In Saanich Inlet, they backed off actually imposing a license of occupation and implementing a regulatory management machine that CAPTCHA is suggesting for Ganges Harbor, and there needs to be a regional approach as well.

[1:02:02] Voice 4: all the trustees have said this if we even if we were to as local governments obviously uh to step

[1:02:10] Voice 4: into genji's harbor and impose the regulatory regime uh that that's probably going to result

[1:02:17] Voice 4: in those folks moving elsewhere or going to be wherever to another community it has to be a

[1:02:22] Voice 4: regional approach not just a specific harbor approach and that that's just my view uh the

[1:02:30] Voice 4: The CRE board, several CRE board directors and senior staff came to visit Salisbury to meet the new local community commission, have lunch with them.

[1:02:40] Voice 4: Of course, the CRE board had to set up all of the bylaws and all of that.

[1:02:47] Voice 4: And it's really important for those directors to...

[1:02:50] Voice 4: So we did a tour of various facilities on Salisbury, the middle school, the recreation center.

[1:02:59] Voice 4: the swimming pool the building envelope for which by the way is changing um it's probably going to

[1:03:06] Voice 4: be a million dollar deal but it's important for those contractors spending extended structures

[1:03:11] Voice 4: uh challenges that we have there because some things will be blind to growing community funds

[1:03:18] Voice 4: uh which is uh part of the huge provincial circus was allocated to local governments a billion

[1:03:26] Voice 4: The CRD got $11.5 million, municipalities got a direct allocation the way electoral

[1:03:31] Voice 4: areas secure that funding is through the CRD, so we make an application to the CRD.

[1:03:37] Voice 4: The fullness of our application will be the Ganges Sewer Commission, a sewage treatment

[1:03:44] facility and collection

[1:03:45] Voice 4: system, and if we can remove the pinch points and upgrade the

[1:03:48] Voice 4: The Ganti's treatment system will allow for an additional 500 units to be included in the system, which for affordable housing in and around the village is important from a health and safety perspective.

[1:04:02] Voice 4: We'll be able to tie into the sewer rather than everybody having septic fields, especially since many of the affordable housing projects that are going forward now because of our small-scale moratorium are having to drill for water.

[1:04:15] Voice 4: So not a great idea to have a drilled well with a separate system on the same property that points to the importance of upgrading the sewage treatment system.

[1:04:27] Voice 4: So we have submitted a funding application.

[1:04:31] Voice 4: It'll be good news for Slicebrew.

[1:04:33] Voice 4: I'm not sure how good the news will be, but we think it's going to be.

[1:04:36] Voice 4: we we hope it's going to provide several million dollars to the system and provide that additional

[1:04:46] Voice 4: capacity and just one final thing

[1:04:48] Voice 4: a month ago i don't know how long ago that minister fleming and senior staff came to

[1:04:56] Voice 4: south bring at the request of emma laylson and there was a meeting in the uh metro and

[1:05:04] Voice 4: a really really great event what came out of that was a commitment since um reaffirmed by staff

[1:05:12] Voice 4: that uh mot will be in our center lines and fog lines on the main roads when asked well how

[1:05:21] Voice 4: there's a lot of main roads how far does that go a little equivocal about but i'm sure these

[1:05:27] Voice 4: over Ganges so there will be some wine painting and then also they'll be doing some crosswalks

[1:05:34] Voice 4: and Ganges that are fading so that's a little bit of business.

[1:05:39] Voice 17: Thank you chair.

[1:05:41] Voice 17: Can I ask a quick question for that? I'd rather you ask it outside of the meeting.

[1:05:50] Voice 17: You can send me an email once in the book just because we

[1:05:56] Voice 15: have other business.

[1:06:00] Voice 15: all right so moving on in the agenda here uh we have the minutes of the june 22nd regular

[1:06:09] Voice 15: meeting for adoption any corrections to those minutes yes yes

[1:06:15] Trustee Patrick: i'm the correction police here

[1:06:17] Trustee Patrick: um on page five at the for the town hall of the question period i just i found it confusing

[1:06:24] Trustee Patrick: because the first bullet says seven members of the public expressed concern regarding uh an

[1:06:29] Trustee Patrick: application and then there's other references to other people that so i i don't i mean i'm fine

[1:06:36] Trustee Patrick: with that if other people read it the same way but there were more than seven people total so i

[1:06:41] Trustee Patrick: because it doesn't say total is that or i think it was

[1:06:43] Voice 17: just an accumulating bullet

[1:06:53] Voice 17: Sarah, when individuals come up and say I'm opposed, I'm opposed, I'm opposed, I'm opposed,

[1:07:04] Voice 4: the accurate would be when we rallied up the number of people that spoke in opposition

[1:07:12] Voice 4: if they did not add additional things, then that's how it would work.

[1:07:18] Trustee Patrick: okay well that's so that's i meant so see people down below maybe you talked about more than one

[1:07:23] Trustee Patrick: thing so i'm just saying there were more than seven that spoke against mr

[1:07:27] Voice 4: chair let me suggest

[1:07:28] Voice 4: that um you know there's there's really no vote involved in these minutes a number of people spoke

[1:07:34] Voice 4: in opposition um just to provide that as conditions right now i

[1:07:41] Trustee Patrick: i agree and that's why i was just

[1:07:43] Trustee Patrick: that's why i just found it so you know seven you know when yeah so um i would that would be fine

[1:07:50] Trustee Patrick: i just i just i know these are records we go back to someday and somebody could say well

[1:07:55] Trustee Patrick: seven people and i thought there were more um on 4.1 on page seven it was the radon thing i did

[1:08:04] Trustee Patrick: ask a question about who's responsible for um sorry i don't have the right language in there

[1:08:10] Trustee Patrick: but it was an act it was an action plan or a radon plan or a management plan or whatever the

[1:08:15] Trustee Patrick: term was um and they and they indicated it was us which to me that's that's an important

[1:08:25] Trustee Patrick: piece of you know well i i don't know we agree that it's us um but that was a recommendation

[1:08:31] Trustee Patrick: of that study uh or that uh testing said that we triggered or we moved over that amount that

[1:08:38] Trustee Patrick: that we should have one of those plans.

[1:08:41] Trustee Patrick: And I had asked who's responsible to have that plan.

[1:08:44] Trustee Patrick: I was hoping they'd say CRD and they said us, but.

[1:08:46] Voice 6: Well, yeah, I would say that it is a hazardous,

[1:08:52] Voice 6: you know, it's primarily a workplace and home hazard.

[1:08:56] Voice 6: And that is kind of a multi-pronged effort, right?

[1:08:59] Voice 6: It's on industry and the CRD building inspection service.

[1:09:04] Voice 4: It is, it's built into the code to assess these things,

[1:09:07] Voice 4: the national radon program has

[1:09:10] Voice 6: also done it so um you know in terms of a a central responsibility

[1:09:14] Voice 6: i don't think there is a central accountability to it apart from you know and ltc may choose and

[1:09:20] Voice 6: i think we um you

[1:09:21] Voice 4: know uh mr pinkel did did take on that program um the the this this uh campaign

[1:09:27] Voice 4: program uh which we can deal with to give benefit but um it's if you have to lpc to determine if

[1:09:33] Voice 4: if this is our right to decide or if it's worth advocating for.

[1:09:37] Trustee Patrick: I'm not trying to debate.

[1:09:39] Trustee Patrick: I agree there's a conversation that needs to occur,

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick: but the question was,

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick: I think that's to not acknowledge that there may be a conversation that

[1:09:47] Trustee Patrick: still needs to happen as a result of that testing.

[1:09:51] Trustee Patrick: I had asked that, the other question was in there,

[1:09:54] Trustee Patrick: but that question didn't get in the minutes.

[1:09:56] Trustee Patrick: And to me, that's an action that we need to follow up on someday.

[1:09:59] Trustee Patrick: We didn't give you direction to follow up on it,

[1:10:01] Trustee Patrick: but something we should not just leave part um um i

[1:10:09] Voice 6: think um i made beyond um you know providing

[1:10:13] Voice 6: public education material um you know our building inspectors and the people going into people's

[1:10:18] Voice 4: homes and pointing out those flaws and i think um i know that the building inspectors professional

[1:10:23] Voice 4: association has um you know provided consistent and regular training on this on this issue so

[1:10:28] Voice 4: they're you know our building inspectors are likely raising the issue asking but

[1:10:35] Voice 4: inspections but it's not a comprehensive problem

[1:10:39] Trustee Patrick: again i'm not debating i mean

[1:10:42] Trustee Patrick: there was a recommendation in their delegation that an action plan was warranted in this

[1:10:48] Trustee Patrick: community i specifically asked who's responsible to do that plan they said us which we don't

[1:10:56] Trustee Patrick: necessarily agree with but that's that's all i'm saying is that question didn't get minuted

[1:11:02] Trustee Patrick: um and you know it'd be nice to close that door because uh you know i think i think we

[1:11:11] Trustee Patrick: may feel we have some confidence but it would be nice to know that they were

[1:11:15] Trustee Patrick: whoever is responsible for that has picked up that baton so that's all i'm saying is that

[1:11:22] Trustee Patrick: That question was not minuted, which I thought was, you know, it's a liability question as

[1:11:30] Trustee Patrick: a, you know, who owns that

[1:11:31] Voice 4: responsibility?

[1:11:34] Voice 4: And if I can sit around for a second, I think a resolution to get some clarity on that is

[1:11:42] Voice 4: a perfectly reasonable approach for the local trust committee when we're out of the session.

[1:11:48] Voice 4: All right.

[1:11:48] Voice 4: Well, I'll just leave that noted.

[1:11:50] Voice 4: noted um is there is there an addition that you would like the minutes in the minute then or is

[1:11:56] Voice 4: there well

[1:11:57] Trustee Patrick: that that question didn't get minuted my other question I asked did so that's all it was

[1:12:03] Trustee Patrick: I think it should be minuted um

[1:12:06] Voice 17: in that item do you want to just get a quick so or could you get

[1:12:16] Voice 17: adjust to what that was i asked to update the minutes to remove the number seven and to include

[1:12:30] Voice 17: trustee patrick's question regarding responsibility of implementing a radon action

[1:12:38] Voice 17: what he was developing and yeah

[1:12:43] Voice 4: i can go back and look at the

[1:12:45] Voice 4: minutes all i'm trying to do is

[1:12:47] Voice 4: provide what direction I'm hearing so because I need clear direction um so remove

[1:12:56] Voice 17: the number

[1:12:57] Voice 17: seven from the delegations and include and then there were just a couple of typos which I will

[1:13:20] Voice 17: I'll just email separately and those were just there's a couple of typos

[1:13:43] Voice 13: I have two, and I hate to sound like I'm quibbling here unnecessarily, but on page four,

[1:13:58] Voice 13: the word treaty before territory after co-status nations, I like treaty removed because it tends

[1:14:05] Voice 13: to suggest that i'm only talking about treaty territory and that's not the intention and then

[1:14:11] Voice 13: again on page

[1:14:11] Voice 4: 10 uh same issue for posts uh because one is in the call to order on page four

[1:14:19] Voice 4: and then one is on page 10 in the minutes itself uh down there in the eight point

[1:14:30] Voice 4: uh 1.2 section first bullet

[1:14:33] Voice 9: let's

[1:14:38] Voice 17: just read territory um and

[1:14:41] Voice 4: just so please just uh leave

[1:14:43] Voice 4: treating oh yeah right yeah just i'm just this

[1:14:50] Voice 13: isn't the only ltc i'm just joking that's not

[1:14:52] Voice 13: it's it's semantics but i think it's it's important to be respectful

[1:14:58] Voice 13: okay so can i take it by general consent then that we could adopt the uh the minutes of june

[1:15:06] Voice 13: 22nd 2023

[1:15:08] Voice 15: as amended yes okay no resolutions without meaning uh advisory planning commission

[1:15:16] Voice 15: minutes or public hearing record um

[1:15:21] Voice 4: so we have piggies and of course bonnets here

[1:15:25] Voice 4: uh on page 18 concerning the clean and safe harbors initiative and from director holman on

[1:15:32] Voice 4: page 19 any uh wish to do anything about either of those pieces or just yes um

[1:15:41] Trustee Patrick: i had provided staff

[1:15:42] Trustee Patrick: some comments on the housing action plan that we're going to be talking about soon um and i

[1:15:48] Trustee Patrick: just said look to look at this piece of correspondence see if there was any cross

[1:15:52] Trustee Patrick: cross-reference opportunities within them um within the plan so okay

[1:15:56] Voice 16: so you've already

[1:16:00] Voice 13: um so this takes us then to business arising uh we have the follow-up

[1:16:10] Voice 4: action list on page

[1:16:11] Voice 4: 30 anything staff would like to report on or questions from trustees um I do have one thing

[1:16:18] Voice 4: Gareth J. thing that I would like to raise that this time thing are we talking to the project list later, but one of the project was later, so I don't need the fuel is.

[1:16:31] Voice 4: Gareth J. Starting to shrink a little bit on our action so

[1:16:34] Voice 6: we're starting to get those cleaned up and I know that we've got.

[1:16:37] Voice 6: Gareth J. This this list actually only goes back about six months and some older stuff

[1:16:40] Voice 4: that we've actually been delivering forward like the protocol stuff, and so those are the things that are have been sort of action now.

[1:16:47] Voice 4: know um but yeah i um not so many questions on on that that's a

[1:16:52] Voice 4: i

[1:16:54] Trustee Patrick: appreciate i know these lists can feel like they never end um the only question i had was

[1:17:05] Trustee Patrick: in follow-up on on bylaw 530 is is uh the any opportunities for government to government

[1:17:15] Trustee Patrick: conversations with with with nations as to any that's probably not exactly on the follow-up

[1:17:21] Trustee Patrick: action list but what do we need staff's assistance to help make that happen so

[1:17:28] Voice 6: um as you're likely

[1:17:30] Voice 6: aware our new um i can't remember what this acronym stands for our intergovernmental

[1:17:36] Voice 6: relations person is starting uh actually this monday um i'm not saying that so that you flood

[1:17:43] Voice 6: her inbox and phone calls in the horse mailbox she's um she's definitely coming from well is

[1:17:48] Voice 6: everybody all coming from outside of um you know the the island's trust ecosystem of governance so

[1:17:54] Voice 4: um there's a transition however in my discussions with director foot freighter we have

[1:17:58] Voice 4: um

[1:17:59] Voice 6: identified salt spring um and file 530 and other upcoming projects in the relationship

[1:18:03] Voice 6: with first nations uh as being a a very important uh factor um so that's it's work that we we have

[1:18:10] Voice 6: underway um sort of worked at drafting a background problem

[1:18:15] Voice 4: statement and we'll be working with um

[1:18:18] Voice 4: with that person to sort of identify a strategy moving forward that's addressing both staff to

[1:18:22] Voice 4: staff and government to government engagement through the summer um the and uh one other

[1:18:29] Voice 4: thing on that um have been um you know my last outreach was on election day at seo but i had

[1:18:36] Voice 4: been working to uh get all that land medicine over and say out to um to have a meeting and talk about

[1:18:41] Voice 4: uh their their referral response and uh gain clarity on us that can report back to you

[1:18:47] Voice 4: unfortunately to get anything at this point but uh to be aware of a post-election period can be a

[1:18:53] Voice 4: at least a big time to get clarity on things yeah

[1:18:59] Trustee Patrick: just follow up because maybe you know the answer

[1:19:01] Trustee Patrick: i know uh uh this is going to be on your follow-up action list with the unfair freighters is to get

[1:19:07] Trustee Patrick: the letters out that was part of our standing resolution do you know the status have those been

[1:19:11] Trustee Patrick: sent out

[1:19:12] Voice 13: those have not been sent out this is the you're you're by far not the only person to

[1:19:18] Voice 13: ask about this um there's certainly a lot of frustration i think in uh most if not every

[1:19:25] Voice 13: ltc about the long delay um you know my understanding is that uh um it's not just

[1:19:35] Voice 13: just that that position has been vacant but they're also there's been some leave there so

[1:19:40] Voice 13: there's just essentially a

[1:19:42] Voice 4: shorting staff at a staff shortage uh in trust area services uh

[1:19:48] Voice 4: throughout the spring here and that's

[1:19:50] Voice 13: that's terrible that's this what other I mean it's

[1:19:54] Voice 13: extremely frustrating because of course it seems like getting a letter out shouldn't be that big

[1:19:57] Voice 13: of a deal but that's the reality is that we haven't had that person we've lost other people

[1:20:03] Voice 4: we have people on leave it's just been a capacity issue i know that um the director has heard

[1:20:10] Voice 4: repeatedly that that's a priority for for from a lot of local trust committees so there's a lot of

[1:20:16] Voice 4: frustration around that like i will i will send you a charity review about how the number of

[1:20:21] Voice 4: letters uh yesterday so they are okay moving very quickly and they are wonderful seeing

[1:20:26] Voice 4: drafted i think it's that to happen greater but um you know i'm seeing final details being

[1:20:34] Voice 4: addressed in those letters that relate to salt spring so um it is um i think moving forward at

[1:20:39] Voice 4: a rapid pace yeah okay so if there's nothing else on the follow-up action list go to 10.2

[1:20:49] Voice 4: of a verbal report on interagency meetings and is that

[1:20:54] Voice 17: user you would think so but no no

[1:21:03] Voice 17: Oh, okay.

[1:21:09] Voice 6: Oh, so I was expecting a question, I think, but we did. I did actually have the pleasure of meeting with at the invite of the CRD, right, engaging with Carla Campbell, Director Campbell over at CRD, Capital Regional District.

[1:21:30] Voice 6: I met with Mark Poison at

[1:21:33] Voice 4: North Salt Spring Water Works District, Clive Seabrook of the RCMP,

[1:21:38] Voice 4: a gentleman from the school district, the operations manager,

[1:21:42] Voice 4: and there's a

[1:21:45] Voice 6: gentleman from the fire hall in Salt Spring Island Fire Protection.

[1:21:50] Voice 6: And CRD is Carla and the engineering manager over there.

[1:21:55] Voice 6: A few technical difficulties, as well as the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[1:21:59] Voice 6: So that meeting generally covered a wide range of topics.

[1:22:05] Voice 6: It was, as an initial meeting, in my experience, the first time that I've been to that meeting.

[1:22:13] Voice 6: And I'm just picking up the notes.

[1:22:19] Voice 17: Yeah, so the

[1:22:25] Voice 6: LCC, as Director Haldeman indicated, has a lot of goals and ambitions that are being worked through

[1:22:33] Voice 6: to figure out how to deliver on those

[1:22:35] Voice 6: and how to work together with other levels of government.

[1:22:38] Voice 6: CRD engineering and administrative transportation

[1:22:41] Voice 6: talk at length about a number

[1:22:43] Voice 4: of projects,

[1:22:44] Voice 4: including the installation of speed reader boards,

[1:22:47] Voice 4: and just working on design foundations,

[1:22:50] Voice 4: as well as the Fulford sewer line replacement,

[1:22:52] Voice 4: some other sewer line replacements going on,

[1:22:55] Voice 4: discussions about the fire hall,

[1:22:57] Voice 4: typically around the water servicing

[1:23:01] Voice 4: with regard to some

[1:23:04] Voice 6: storage works and some hydrant replacements.

[1:23:09] Voice 6: It's been found kind of boring that they are not for people like me.

[1:23:15] Voice 6: MOTI, again, discussed a number of their upcoming projects,

[1:23:20] Voice 6: a number of quite a few Calvert installations,

[1:23:23] Voice 6: addressing some issues

[1:23:24] Voice 4: around some recent land movement

[1:23:28] Voice 4: or historical land movement on Vesuvius Road.

[1:23:32] Voice 4: line painting um this is mostly the large line painting should be coming up next month um more

[1:23:38] Voice 4: of that um it won't be more detailed stuff like centerline fog line and stop stop cars um i

[1:23:46] Voice 17: think

[1:23:46] Voice 17: um you might have mentioned that as well um

[1:23:51] Voice 6: and then i uh i mean i i think that's about it really

[1:23:56] Voice 6: that you know the fire district i think is really getting getting wanting to keep going on the um

[1:24:01] Voice 4: on the fire hall um and building so they're sort of reaching out to their partners and they're

[1:24:05] Voice 4: the people they need approvals from to get moving um i think it's a pretty straightforward build so

[1:24:11] Voice 6: it should be building inspection um to kind of sign off on that uh engineering process

[1:24:19] Voice 6: and then the primarily you know the rcmp uh we didn't talk a lot about the challenges in the

[1:24:25] Voice 6: harbor uh one of the things that really came out of that is they wasn't aware that our officer

[1:24:30] Voice 6: nobody has not met officer seabrook yet so i do need to connect those two i think sergeant

[1:24:37] Voice 6: seabrook

[1:24:38] Voice 4: has been out on the water as well so maybe they could go out on the water together

[1:24:43] Voice 4: they're both trying to get an idea of what is as we talked about last night what's going on

[1:24:50] Voice 4: out on the water and the challenge was with that so i think we've been definitely hearing

[1:24:55] Voice 6: uh the same things um on both sides so uh and then mr uh mr boysen at the uh

[1:25:02] Voice 6: and north

[1:25:03] Voice 4: salt spring waterworks district um indicated that there's been uh quite a bit of

[1:25:07] Voice 4: staff change in the last few months at our salt spring waterworks district as well as

[1:25:10] Voice 4: change in the in the governance and the elected officials

[1:25:13] Voice 6: um does seem like they do have their

[1:25:16] Voice 6: projects i mean i appreciate that we've been getting a lot more questions from them about um

[1:25:21] Voice 4: about just what we're doing with zoning and planning and working to align better so um i

[1:25:27] Voice 4: think uh overall it was a roundtable discussion uh in the future we're hoping to focus more on

[1:25:32] Voice 4: topics and identify our individual challenges on various areas including housing infrastructure

[1:25:38] Voice 4: uh and other other servicing areas um rather than simply each speaking outwardly we're each sort of

[1:25:44] Voice 4: you know interacting on on how to resolve issues specific to um salt spring island

[1:25:49] Voice 4: thank you

[1:25:52] Trustee Patrick: chris um i i really appreciate um uh what you're bringing to the role and uh and

[1:26:03] Trustee Patrick: building these relationships because to me niles trust was always intended to be a coordinating

[1:26:08] Trustee Patrick: agency we cannot do land use planning without without coordinating with everyone and i really

[1:26:14] Trustee Patrick: appreciate what you're doing um i can tell you since we had that little uh coordinating meeting

[1:26:19] Trustee Patrick: on housing um i did meet with the uh the board chair for north salt spring water and you know

[1:26:27] Trustee Patrick: we we talked about our roles elected as elected we need to be reaching out to the elected on these

[1:26:32] Trustee Patrick: boards over of these other um organizations as well and being seen as leaders and in leading

[1:26:38] Trustee Patrick: the court you know that we want to coordinate we want to be seen as coordinating we want to

[1:26:42] Trustee Patrick: of support our staff to be coordinating so um i you know i'm glad i think it's late i'm

[1:26:48] Trustee Patrick: i can't believe here we are in 2023 on the 50th anniversary of violence trust and we're finally

[1:26:54] Trustee Patrick: coordinating um so there's hints to see this happening it makes me excited um and i i'll do

[1:27:01] Trustee Patrick: everything i can do and and and i do know that we did have a request last night at the town hall

[1:27:06] Trustee Patrick: fire board and maybe that's something we need to look at is the various boards that you know we

[1:27:13] Trustee Patrick: have appointed that you know we are making sure we're either attending or communicating with the

[1:27:18] Trustee Patrick: chairs of the various boards you know in a more you know formal way so we're not something's not

[1:27:23] Trustee Patrick: falling off the off the plate you know we can always cover each other and i'll go to every

[1:27:28] Trustee Patrick: meeting but you should try to be seen and at some of their meetings yeah

[1:27:35] Voice 4: i just comment that

[1:27:36] Voice 4: One of the things I've been noticing, I noticed it as a local trustee, but I've been noticing it coming out and sharing for other LTCs.

[1:27:49] Voice 4: A lot of times there's historical agreements and protocols and there's

[1:27:57] Voice 13: mechanisms within them for regular meetings.

[1:28:02] Voice 13: And in a lot of cases, they haven't happened.

[1:28:06] Voice 15: I

[1:28:07] Voice 4: looked at the

[1:28:07] Voice 15: 1999 protocol with the Islands Trust and the CRD, which says, you know, the parties agree to schedule regular meetings, the recent director, local trust committees, appropriate staff.

[1:28:22] Voice 4: Trustee Patrick, when I asked her, said she didn't recall what's happening.

[1:28:25] Voice 13: I talked to Director Holman, he didn't recall what's happening.

[1:28:29] Voice 13: So even though that protocol exists, it says right in the

[1:28:32] Voice 15: protocol, we're going to schedule regular meetings.

[1:28:35] Voice 15: it hasn't happened apparently for a number of years so so we have those agreements uh

[1:28:41] Voice 15: i think that um there's some value to going in and and sort of activating those bits and having

[1:28:51] Voice 15: uh you know from a personal level as chess chair uh i think having those government government

[1:28:58] Voice 15: meetings is a good opportunity for me to get up to speed um and and to and to sort of reassert

[1:29:05] Voice 15: of relationships

[1:29:05] Voice 4: um without other other agencies um so

[1:29:10] Voice 15: appreciate this coming up and uh there's

[1:29:15] Voice 15: nothing else on this we have no community information meeting today or public hearing

[1:29:21] Voice 15: we have a break till noon scheduled that would be a whole hour um

[1:29:26] Voice 13: i just want to sort of do a

[1:29:28] Voice 15: straw poll here because this is a relatively light relatively light agenda um

[1:29:36] Voice 15: I sort of have a notion of

[1:29:38] Voice 13: maybe we could take a 10 to 15 minute break and then power through, or how do people feel about that?

[1:29:46] Voice 17: We would want to have a lunch break. We typically

[1:29:56] Voice 4: schedule our applications for noon.

[1:30:00] Voice 4: There is only one application on, but, you know, it's a significant one that I think we would want to start at noon.

[1:30:05] Voice 4: We don't

[1:30:06] Voice 4: have two, I see two.

[1:30:07] Voice 4: Yes, so my apologies, there are two.

[1:30:09] Voice 4: Yes, I apologize.

[1:30:12] Voice 4: If we wanted to do a bit of extra work before lunch, that would fit within maybe 30 minutes.

[1:30:21] Voice 4: I would recommend going to item 15, new business, and also addressing item 16, reports.

[1:30:31] Voice 4: Those typically happen fairly quickly.

[1:30:34] Voice 4: Because

[1:30:34] Voice 11: there's not an awful lot of reports.

[1:30:36] Voice 4: The afternoon to address the applications on the two projects.

[1:30:44] Voice 4: Sounds

[1:30:45] Voice 15: reasonable to me.

[1:30:46] Voice 15: okay um so i'm just gonna do what i think what i'd like to do then is i'd just like to take a

[1:30:53] Voice 15: uh a short break bio break for the washroom here so let's come back at uh 10 past

[1:31:03] Voice 17: we'll reset still 10 pass away and uh go ahead and follow staff

[1:40:26] Voice 4: advice uh so we'll come back

[1:40:29] Voice 4: to applications and referrals and local trust committee project

[1:40:33] Voice 13: after lunch break um so in the

[1:40:36] Voice 13: meanwhile we'll skip ahead to section 15 new business we have ubcm attendance uh

[1:40:42] Voice 16: 15.1 for

[1:40:44] Voice 16: discussion that was me just Patrick

[1:40:48] Voice 12: well

[1:40:49] Trustee Patrick: I know last term I don't know what happened but we did

[1:40:52] Trustee Patrick: pass a resolution requesting that budget be um we put in budget for the salt spring trustees to

[1:41:01] Trustee Patrick: to attend UBCM. Salt Spring is a very large community. We are quite large, actually, in

[1:41:10] Trustee Patrick: BC standards, and that we should be there in attendance and representing Salt Spring.

[1:41:16] Trustee Patrick: So I know, I don't know where the budget went. There is a budget that's specifically, or

[1:41:21] Trustee Patrick: there is a line item for that. And I know I have registered and I booked a hotel a long

[1:41:29] Trustee Patrick: time ago to get as cheap a hotel as possible it would be nice to have a tenants covered and i

[1:41:36] Trustee Patrick: think it would be good for trustee

[1:41:38] Voice 17: harris to be at ubcm if he can um anything on that

[1:41:45] Voice 6: well i i think uh ubcm is um it is a very worthwhile conference for any elected official to

[1:41:51] Voice 6: attend um it provides a lot of growth opportunities opportunity there means um people from all across

[1:41:56] Voice 6: across the province of doing similar work,

[1:42:00] Voice 6: sharing and learning that goes on there.

[1:42:03] Voice 6: The budget is probably the biggest concern.

[1:42:07] Voice 6: Right now in the LTC,

[1:42:11] Voice 6: trying to remember this term here,

[1:42:13] Voice 6: executive terms, executive items or something like that.

[1:42:17] Voice 6: It is what we traditionally use to fund LTC

[1:42:22] Voice 6: conference and training travel is about $723.

[1:42:27] Voice 4: in that budget remaining um for the year uh speaking with uh our finance department

[1:42:34] Voice 4: um it costs about one thousand six hundred dollars um to send a member to uh the ubcm

[1:42:42] Voice 4: um and then what i am aware of is the the hotel's uh block rate is booked this time

[1:42:50] Voice 4: so it would be an alternative

[1:42:51] Voice 6: accommodations um one option maybe to simply utilize the remainder

[1:42:56] Voice 6: and split that value at both trustees.

[1:42:59] Voice 6: Trustee Peterson, do you,

[1:43:01] Voice 6: obviously as an executive committee member

[1:43:02] Voice 6: are already registered for that process.

[1:43:05] Voice 6: So it's a question of whether both trustees

[1:43:09] Voice 6: wish to attend or send one,

[1:43:12] Voice 6: and you can utilize that budget.

[1:43:14] Voice 6: That would be that budget for the rest of the year.

[1:43:17] Voice 6: This does not involve,

[1:43:19] Voice 6: it doesn't affect inter-island.

[1:43:21] Voice 6: Like, so if you're traveling to other islands

[1:43:23] Voice 4: for things like trust council it doesn't affect that budget uh this is just a separate line item

[1:43:27] Voice 4: or for these specific types of uh of expenses um

[1:43:32] Voice 14: if i may i'm not actually interested in going to

[1:43:34] Voice 14: ubcm i hope to see things down here on the island i think enough handling and talking coordinating

[1:43:41] Voice 14: um you know these students

[1:43:43] Voice 4: buzzwords have been you know exercised to death and it's time to

[1:43:51] Voice 4: for starters get whatever $530,000. So at this point I'm interested in negotiating for the ECM.

[1:43:58] Voice 17: Okay, thank you for that. Did you want to ask any more questions?

[1:44:06] Voice 17: Well,

[1:44:06] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I think I would like to go and it is not about

[1:44:13] Trustee Patrick: haranguing it is not oh

[1:44:14] Voice 14: it's fine you want to go but i don't have money um

[1:44:17] Trustee Patrick: there there is great

[1:44:19] Trustee Patrick: value of um of being at the conference especially for a community of this size um i know i think

[1:44:28] Trustee Patrick: some of the lcc is hoping it would have been nice to see a contingent of salt springs show up and

[1:44:35] Trustee Patrick: at this uh at this uh major event um if we need i mean i don't know what happened why

[1:44:43] Trustee Patrick: a past resolution fell off the table last term um and we didn't get that no budget it never

[1:44:53] Trustee Patrick: made it through the the hopper i think for next year we definitely need to have that could we

[1:44:59] Trustee Patrick: ask i know the executive has funded paid for some people to go to the local government academy and

[1:45:04] Trustee Patrick: so forth so there is some trustee training budget at the uh uh at the trust council level

[1:45:12] Trustee Patrick: um could do we need to pass a resolution to request them to you know top up our expenses

[1:45:18] Trustee Patrick: um or do you know or do we drive up over spending um you know or do we need a resolution to cover

[1:45:27] Trustee Patrick: my expenses to go i i'm asking i would normally say gee i'd like to pay half of it but i paid

[1:45:33] Trustee Patrick: for the rural island economic partnership out of my own pocket at over a thousand dollars that i

[1:45:39] Trustee Patrick: did not ask for reimbursement i cannot do that um too often um that's uh very expensive so i don't

[1:45:52] Voice 13: know what is in the ec budget um i know there is there is a fine i come out i don't know what's

[1:45:59] Voice 13: in there at the moment so i i can't really give you anything clear on that i i think there's

[1:46:04] Voice 13: certainly no harm in asking um i would note that the

[1:46:09] Voice 15: ec won't be meeting that we met yesterday so

[1:46:12] Voice 15: we won't be meeting again until the second of august

[1:46:20] Voice 17: well

[1:46:22] Trustee Patrick: that's because they um um

[1:46:23] Trustee Patrick: get fully refundable until the fourth of august okay

[1:46:27] Voice 15: because i've paid right for it okay so um

[1:46:33] Voice 13: So that's, it's worth asking now, I guess, just in terms of trying to think about the alternatives.

[1:46:44] Voice 13: If

[1:46:45] Voice 4: you see either doesn't have the

[1:46:48] Voice 17: budget or chooses to turn down the request,

[1:46:56] Voice 17: then the contingency would be you

[1:47:03] Voice 4: cancelling or paying for it unless we pass a resolution for it.

[1:47:07] Voice 4: the ltc to cover it if the ec won't i think this would be two different resolutions well

[1:47:13] Trustee Patrick: one i mean

[1:47:13] Trustee Patrick: i i did point out to laurie if toby elliott's going and she's willing to share a room because

[1:47:18] Trustee Patrick: i know i i shared a room at ubcm last term with a trustee how did they get funded oh it was through

[1:47:25] Trustee Patrick: their own local trust they

[1:47:27] Voice 12: just passed it they

[1:47:28] Trustee Patrick: just passed it with or without their budget

[1:47:30] Trustee Patrick: it didn't send somebody um but uh if i could share a room with with toby i can give up my room

[1:47:39] Trustee Patrick: and that saved then i then it's just the the money we have

[1:47:42] Trustee Patrick: left covers my um the cost of

[1:47:46] Trustee Patrick: my it's only six just over six hundred dollars that the for the registration

[1:47:49] Trustee Patrick: because i'm not

[1:47:50] Trustee Patrick: doing any of the dinners or lunches or tours so

[1:47:55] Voice 6: you'd be just to clarify you'd be uh seeking

[1:47:58] Voice 6: can you would want to resolve to claim uh the registration fund correct uh that's

[1:48:05] Trustee Patrick: if i can share

[1:48:06] Trustee Patrick: a room yeah if

[1:48:07] Trustee Patrick: i can't share a room i'd like to get the room expense included as well i might

[1:48:12] Voice 6: suggest making a motion uh that will allow trustee patrick to uh

[1:48:17] Voice 4: request uh um compensation 100 of

[1:48:20] Voice 4: the registration fee um and then if you do you do it if you don't that yeah just just named the

[1:48:29] Voice 4: conference for this year and um then we can when we get the request we've got the resolution for

[1:48:34] Voice 4: that to make that claim so and if you decide not to go then this resolution just goes into the

[1:48:40] Voice 4: ether but do we

[1:48:42] Trustee Patrick: need any action from ec

[1:48:44] Voice 17: if

[1:48:45] Voice 13: i would say just two resolutions yeah

[1:48:47] Trustee Patrick: i wish to say two

[1:48:47] Voice 13: resolutions one one to cut one from the pc to cover the and then another

[1:48:52] Voice 13: one to see if ec will

[1:48:53] Voice 13: cover it if he covers it then

[1:48:56] Voice 6: easy peasy simple if i take the intention here that that we would

[1:48:59] Voice 6: tailor it that the ltc expenses would pay the registration uh and if you can share the the

[1:49:05] Voice 6: accommodation cost with with another trustee from another island pc uh you may be able to

[1:49:10] Voice 6: make a rationale for that okay

[1:49:11] Trustee Patrick: gotcha all right you want me to make a resolution i would love for

[1:49:16] Voice 17: to make i know the south

[1:49:17] Trustee Patrick: spring i don't know if the trust committee um approved

[1:49:21] Voice 17: um expenses for

[1:49:25] Voice 17: ubcm registration for for a founder not me okay so moved uh i'll second that uh anything further

[1:49:40] Voice 17: on that um no nothing other than what i wish to say

[1:49:45] Voice 4: yeah yeah okay

[1:49:46] Voice 4: uh in that case all the

[1:49:48] Voice 4: all the questions in favor any opposed and do you want your opposition noted just please okay

[1:49:57] Voice 13: and so that carries and then the second one would be to ask ec so

[1:50:01] Trustee Patrick: um let's wordsmith this

[1:50:03] Trustee Patrick: for a minute there uh uh rob so it would be trust committee requesting staff requesting staff

[1:50:10] Trustee Patrick: requesting executive

[1:50:11] Voice 17: committee to fund or

[1:50:22] Voice 13: what what would i be regretting

[1:50:24] Voice 13: i mean ideally right

[1:50:26] Voice 13: you'd be asking ec to uh cover the to fund the expenses for ubc

[1:50:32] Voice 4: um hotel uh accommodations i

[1:50:36] Trustee Patrick: guess the word

[1:50:36] Voice 17: or or do you want to ask them for the whole thing or do you want to share

[1:50:40] Voice 17: for some or all of

[1:50:43] Trustee Patrick: accommodations or or you know or share well i

[1:50:52] Voice 6: think if you if you say

[1:50:53] Voice 6: accommodations and both you and trustee elliot are staying in the same room we'd make sure that

[1:50:58] Voice 6: you're not going to help of course so um you know that would be fine uh so that you can you can pass

[1:51:03] Voice 6: it generally and we can sort it out from there um as to whether or not you wish to i mean if you

[1:51:09] Voice 6: You passed a resolution to pay for the registration

[1:51:12] Voice 4: expenses out of the LPC budget,

[1:51:14] Voice 4: however, we went to ask them to pay for up to 100% of the cost.

[1:51:18] Voice 4: I'm sure Justice Peterson clarified this conversation.

[1:51:22] Voice 14: Sure, yeah.

[1:51:24] Voice 4: If you can determine how much of the balance they want to provide.

[1:51:29] Voice 4: I mean, if we pass this resolution, I'm certainly happy to advocate at the DC level.

[1:51:36] Voice 15: level all

[1:51:37] Trustee Patrick: right so I move that the Salisbury Island local trust committee request the executive

[1:51:41] Trustee Patrick: committee to um cover the expense of Laura Patrick's attendance

[1:51:49] Voice 17: at UBCM so moved I'll

[1:51:52] Voice 17: second that does that make sense well he looks lost for a second as

[1:51:57] Voice 4: I understand it that's just

[1:51:59] Voice 4: the accommodation expense that is that we're

[1:52:01] Voice 13: going to ask

[1:52:01] Voice 4: for the whole expense to see how

[1:52:03] Voice 4: that pans out and if if it works out and we'll

[1:52:06] Voice 15: know well before the ec meeting you'll have had

[1:52:09] Voice 15: a chance to talk to toby it works out that there's no additional cost uh for

[1:52:14] Voice 4: accommodation because

[1:52:15] Voice 4: they're going to share toby's is already going to be covered we know that so then it

[1:52:21] Voice 15: would just be

[1:52:21] Voice 15: the registration and then that would mean that the uh ltc doesn't

[1:52:27] Voice 17: doesn't

[1:52:28] Voice 15: use up its entire uh

[1:52:30] Voice 15: uh budget at this point in the year in case there's something else that happens that one might

[1:52:37] Voice 15: want to do okay that makes

[1:52:38] Voice 4: sense to fund the expenses for trustee Patrick to to attend the

[1:52:44] Voice 4: the UBCM. Correct.

[1:52:46] Voice 4: Can we just put 2023?

[1:52:48] Voice 4: 2023.

[1:52:49] Voice 13: Put

[1:52:50] Voice 4: the year in, yeah.

[1:52:52] Voice 13: In perpetuity.

[1:52:57] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:52:58] Voice 4: Just let us know when you've got that.

[1:53:00] Voice 4: Yep, that's right. Okay, so

[1:53:02] Voice 4: moved, seconded. Any further

[1:53:05] Voice 4: discussion?

[1:53:06] Voice 14: Basically for the same reasons as I

[1:53:08] Voice 14: stated earlier,

[1:53:11] Voice 14: email of non-support

[1:53:12] Voice 14: to this, I think, through

[1:53:13] Voice 14: there's a person

[1:53:13] Voice 4: things um to be

[1:53:15] Voice 17: done here um so i would be you know both against fair enough

[1:53:24] Voice 17: anything else okay uh i will call the question then all

[1:53:29] Voice 4: those in favor

[1:53:31] Voice 4: any opposed and would you like your opportunity okay

[1:53:35] Voice 17: thank you uh motion carries and

[1:53:41] Voice 17: And then we'll go to Section 16,

[1:53:46] Voice 4: Reports, Policy and Standing Resolutions list on page 119.

[1:53:52] Voice 4: Anything on that today?

[1:53:56] Voice 4: Not hearing anything.

[1:53:58] Voice 17: Future Projects report at page 130.

[1:54:02] Voice 17: Active Projects list on page 133.

[1:54:11] Voice 6: Chair?

[1:54:12] Voice 6: Yes, sir.

[1:54:13] Voice 6: I did want to just raise an item, and I'll put it at the end, after the future project and during this active project process.

[1:54:21] Voice 6: So we are actually at

[1:54:22] Voice 4: the stage of the year where we're going to be going away until September.

[1:54:27] Voice 4: September is probably the point where you're going to want to present any business cases for you to make requests for budget for the fall of the year.

[1:54:36] Voice 4: Where we're at right now, we're going to be talking about the housing action plan.

[1:54:39] Voice 4: But as

[1:54:40] Voice 6: you will recall, we shifted the pace of our guarantees and OCP projects.

[1:54:48] Voice 6: Those are still two extraordinary projects that we have categorized as extraordinary

[1:54:53] Voice 6: due to the budget size.

[1:54:56] Voice 4: I'm not confident that we're going to be able to spend all of the money that's been

[1:55:00] Voice 4: budgeted for those projects in this fiscal year, given that timing.

[1:55:05] Voice 4: timing.

[1:55:06] Voice 6: So, as well, we have the ongoing bylaw 530, the minor project, as well as the water

[1:55:15] Voice 6: sustainability strategy, which we'll also be talking about a part of this afternoon with

[1:55:19] Voice 6: Zipa. So we have three major or current projects, as

[1:55:25] Voice 6: well as one minor project. That minor project

[1:55:28] Voice 6: is actually the housing action plan implementation process. So the bylaw 530, after that, we can

[1:55:35] Voice 6: actually go back into that fund for tiny

[1:55:37] Voice 4: goldfish village so um that that's kind of the the

[1:55:40] Voice 4: continuation process that's with uh with us right now um so i with that i don't believe that we have

[1:55:48] Voice 4: additional um opportunity to pursue further projects but um lpc is as well welcome to make

[1:55:56] Voice 4: that determination but i would like to propose that um i would like to recommend i guess that

[1:56:02] Voice 4: you request that we prepare essentially business case updates to request that the

[1:56:08] Voice 6: OCP and GANGs

[1:56:10] Voice 6: and water sustainability strategy, I'm not really sure how that goes, but that we simply prepare

[1:56:14] Voice 4: updates so that you can consider them in September in order to move those forward in the fall.

[1:56:24] Voice 4: So that will be basically just making a case for not asking for additional funding,

[1:56:30] Voice 4: but of course continuing to have access to the funding authority

[1:56:32] Voice 4: to not have to get it back out of this faculty reserves and request it back out kind of process

[1:56:38] Voice 4: that we have to keep for budgeting yeah that's through the chair sensible yes sir so we're

[1:56:44] Voice 4: talking about um you have to promise reports that was happening right now yeah yes and um if i may

[1:56:51] Voice 4: yeah about um project number four um i just want to you know throw my thoughts on them on this

[1:57:02] Voice 4: uh the development of

[1:57:05] Voice 17: proof

[1:57:05] Voice 4: of water by law

[1:57:07] Voice 14: that that should make it into the letter of

[1:57:11] Voice 14: ethics sounds a bit grammatically incorrect but anyways um i see this as a giant uh waste of time

[1:57:17] Voice 14: and taxpayers money you know already the ministry of the environment

[1:57:23] Voice 17: has to improve

[1:57:24] Voice 17: any subject but basically any development um you have

[1:57:33] Voice 4: to go through the ministry of the environment

[1:57:34] Voice 4: to prove more so i see this as very troublesome it was related to that for now i'm clearly

[1:57:41] Voice 17: talking about this more in the future if i could go on record please okay and uh

[1:57:53] Voice 17: And so I'm hearing from

[1:57:57] Voice 4: original planning director that or manager that a resolution to

[1:58:07] Voice 13: bring business case updates for local LTC projects would be welcome so that we can do that.

[1:58:12] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:58:12] Voice 13: thank

[1:58:13] Trustee Patrick: you and i mean i i guess the question i would have is because we would see business

[1:58:22] Trustee Patrick: cases at that point i think again is do you have enough input from us to be able to develop those

[1:58:29] Trustee Patrick: or a better feel of what there could or couldn't be you know we're still to me we've never really

[1:58:37] Trustee Patrick: really scoped it yet yeah um

[1:58:39] Trustee Patrick: so how how are we going to price something we haven't scoped

[1:58:44] Voice 4: well my my impression is that um I don't think that we're in a position to be requesting

[1:58:51] Voice 6: additional funding so I would I would suggest that the best option is to we've gotten the budget we've

[1:58:57] Voice 6: gotten this year um and I would suggest that we simply go back and say um allow us to continue

[1:59:03] knew the work that we

[1:59:04] Voice 4: started despite the fact that we shifted our our approach um with this

[1:59:08] Voice 4: if you were to pass a resolution i would simply provide a a short description with the previous

[1:59:12] business case and what we achieved um and then um

[1:59:16] Voice 4: forecasting what we expect to expense in this

[1:59:19] Voice 4: fiscal year what are these case then becomes the balance of the original total budget minus

[1:59:24] Voice 4: whatever we spent in this business so it's it's really just to say that like and you know depending

[1:59:30] Voice 6: being on we'll know the results of both the uh complete communities and the housing accelerator

[1:59:35] Voice 6: fund application in

[1:59:37] Voice 4: the fall so we'll be definitely busily preparing those project charters

[1:59:41] Voice 4: in in by the fall one way or another um but it's something we need to start the process of

[1:59:47] Voice 4: getting ensuring that we're going to have funding in the following years

[1:59:50] Voice 4: yeah

[1:59:50] Voice 17: so

[1:59:55] Trustee Patrick: i guess that because

[1:59:56] Voice 17: we're kind of combining the numbers because the housing action

[2:00:00] Voice 17: um yeah that's that's what i'm i'm not clear

[2:00:06] Trustee Patrick: that we you know there are some with the things that

[2:00:09] Voice 17: are

[2:00:10] Trustee Patrick: within our authority in the housing action plan if everything has been uh accounted for

[2:00:18] Trustee Patrick: for costs and pain uh i'm i'm not a hundred percent in

[2:00:24] Voice 4: the housing action plan yeah yeah

[2:00:27] Voice 4: um well i think that is all very much grant dependent i don't think we're proposing to

[2:00:33] Voice 4: Any of those projects that are in the housing action plan, apart from any tiny houses and ADUs,

[2:00:39] Voice 4: you can use an incentive funding program that would implement to do it.

[2:00:44] Voice 4: Those are kind of the only ones that would, I mean, probably wouldn't be advancing business cases,

[2:00:51] Voice 4: but I mean, if obviously they'll definitely not be a case.

[2:00:56] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think to me, that was the intent of the housing action plan was to include activities

[2:01:01] Trustee Patrick: that would have been early OCP activities anyway,

[2:01:05] Trustee Patrick: which some of them are there.

[2:01:06] Trustee Patrick: So I think there is some accounted for some not.

[2:01:09] Trustee Patrick: I think I'm just saying my expectations

[2:01:12] Trustee Patrick: when I see something in September would be

[2:01:15] Trustee Patrick: that we've done some work

[2:01:17] Trustee Patrick: on what a housing action plan would be.

[2:01:19] Trustee Patrick: We may or may not be successful on grant funding.

[2:01:24] Trustee Patrick: We should have that conversation of if we don't get

[2:01:29] Trustee Patrick: the funding and we wanted to still do some of these things you know what would we be looking at

[2:01:36] Voice 17: for for funding um otherwise you know to me this this our risk of

[2:01:44] Trustee Patrick: pulling together an application

[2:01:46] Trustee Patrick: we should have had it should be based on intent of doing this work or like i see many other most

[2:01:54] Trustee Patrick: other communities that are applying for the housing action plan are taking work that they're

[2:01:58] Trustee Patrick: already doing and bundling it into the accelerated grant request so that frees up money for doing

[2:02:06] Trustee Patrick: other things. So that's, I would expect that we have some bringing together of the two processes

[2:02:15] Trustee Patrick: in September so that we know what, if we're not successful, this just vaporizes or is it

[2:02:22] Trustee Patrick: brought into another project that, you know, absorbed into the

[2:02:26] Voice 17: OCP project or might use a

[2:02:28] Voice 17: by-law. The Housing Action Plan is based on

[2:02:35] Voice 4: a span of biggest challenges and the information

[2:02:38] Voice 4: that we have from the Housing Action Program Task Force, as well as various other reports.

[2:02:48] Voice 4: I think that it is a strategy that we continue to utilize. It may evolve down the road with

[2:02:55] Voice 4: the emergence of a Housing Action. Housing is coming out at the regional level and ongoing

[2:03:01] Voice 4: and closing work at the regional level uh it may present a rationale for other presenting future

[2:03:07] Voice 4: business cases or or um you know amending the plan um that i plan to better regional opportunity

[2:03:17] Voice 4: so i guess it's to say i really don't know for this upcoming fiscal and i think there's a lack

[2:03:21] Voice 4: of clarity uh given these grant applications but um and

[2:03:26] Voice 4: i don't know if we're um i don't know how

[2:03:29] Voice 4: much likelihood there is of any initiation of this project and regardless the ocp and landed

[2:03:36] Voice 4: by are substantial um values um but even even with the review given the budget we have it doesn't

[2:03:43] Voice 4: fly a lot of um staff resources to the conference uh i think fiscal 24 has been a bit challenging

[2:03:49] Voice 4: for us to deliver much more uh enough of the action process than addressing policy work and

[2:03:55] Voice 4: ongoing work with our partner agency.

[2:03:59] Voice 4: Just a timing

[2:04:00] Voice 4: question.

[2:04:02] Voice 4: Just noting that there's

[2:04:06] Voice 4: we'll be

[2:04:07] Voice 4: meeting here again on

[2:04:09] Voice 4: September 14th

[2:04:12] Voice 17: and

[2:04:14] Voice 17: when

[2:04:16] Voice 4: we'll know about these grant

[2:04:18] Voice 4: applications in the fall,

[2:04:20] Voice 4: will we know by the 14th

[2:04:23] Voice 4: or is it someone after that?

[2:04:24] Voice 4: September LPC?

[2:04:25] Voice 4: Yeah, we'll know by the

[2:04:28] Voice 4: 14th that we are formulating work with LPCM.

[2:04:33] Voice 4: We'll hear more about that this morning in the Accelerator Fund world.

[2:04:39] Voice 4: Okay, and then, yes, because I'm just noticing that then we meet again October 12th, financial planning meets on the 18th.

[2:04:49] Voice 4: just sort of trying to figure out what what sort of leeway we might have as far as reacting to

[2:04:57] Voice 4: getting or not getting the grant funding and it looks to me that we do have a little bit of space

[2:05:02] Voice 4: there but i of course don't want to assume that uh staff don't have plenty to do uh trustee harris

[2:05:10] Voice 4: no i'm just listening okay sorry i thought i saw a hand up out of my eye it was yeah okay thank you

[2:05:16] Voice 4: all right no problem um so yeah my my traveling about the dates with just uh suspecting whether

[2:05:25] Voice 4: we need to give direction today or whether we can go ahead and wait till that september

[2:05:31] Voice 4: uh meeting for for more in depth than what you've asked for you've asked for

[2:05:36] Voice 4: a resolution to uh to bring back a report on business case updates for local trust

[2:05:42] Voice 4: any projects so uh

[2:05:44] Voice 6: i guess what i'm what i what i am trying to communicate is that one way or

[2:05:50] Voice 6: another um we have clarity um in the fall um and our intention

[2:05:54] Voice 4: really needs to shift to these

[2:05:55] Voice 4: projects um business cases and can be can call into question a lot about our projects so um being

[2:06:03] Voice 4: able to provide you a business case that enables continuation um if we have other updates in

[2:06:09] Voice 4: in September, we can incorporate that for you.

[2:06:13] Voice 4: You can, we can build definitely graduate recommendations

[2:06:16] Voice 4: that would shift that direction.

[2:06:18] Voice 4: But at this time, generally,

[2:06:19] Voice 4: I think this is probably likely to be the best option

[2:06:23] Voice 4: regardless of, you know,

[2:06:24] Voice 4: I don't foresee us asking for more funds

[2:06:27] Voice 4: and I don't foresee us, you know,

[2:06:29] Voice 4: I don't know if that's really likely to happen this time.

[2:06:32] Voice 4: And I don't know if,

[2:06:35] Voice 4: for me, it's just ensuring that we have consistency

[2:06:37] Voice 4: in order to allow us to continue these projects

[2:06:39] Voice 4: and not um be pressed by the you know the budget cycle you know really pressing so many work we can

[2:06:45] Voice 4: get out of the way over the summer allows us to um to be more responsive on the project as we go

[2:06:50] Voice 4: right so yeah i guess my my thought on this was that we could give you a relatively uh

[2:06:58] Voice 13: we

[2:06:58] Voice 4: don't have to drill into details at this point we can just ask for for business case updates for

[2:07:05] Voice 4: the local trust committee projects and then if we need to at september we'll have a lot more

[2:07:09] Voice 4: information if we need to shift things around that's the time to do it we'll stop some time

[2:07:14] Voice 4: if you've done that work

[2:07:16] Voice 17: yes yeah my my only my

[2:07:22] Trustee Patrick: only comment yeah i said i'm you know a year

[2:07:25] Trustee Patrick: a year ago i guess august of a year ago we saw you know we weren't we hadn't asked for an oc

[2:07:33] Trustee Patrick: we you know we we received it as a business case and we went forward with like no scoping

[2:07:39] Trustee Patrick: so the project is built on no scoping we're going to next year with no scoping and that

[2:07:46] Trustee Patrick: i just say the risk gives me heartburn um and you know we you know we have a community that's

[2:07:55] Trustee Patrick: burning up um and urgency on so many matters so i want to make sure we're scoping the work

[2:08:04] Trustee Patrick: that can be done and resourcing it you know that it can be done um and and that that's all that's

[2:08:14] Trustee Patrick: going to be you know those i'm just when we see the business case i mean that's the level of

[2:08:19] Trustee Patrick: script i i feel i don't want to see us go down the road another year going well we're still

[2:08:25] Trustee Patrick: scoping we haven't scoped it we don't know what we're doing um then we're not going to get any

[2:08:30] Trustee Patrick: work done again

[2:08:32] Trustee Patrick: another year. That's concerning.

[2:08:34] Voice 17: Yeah, I'll just make a quick comment.

[2:08:38] Voice 17: I agree

[2:08:38] Voice 4: completely. There's urgency.

[2:08:41] Voice 14: You know, I see things

[2:08:42] Voice 14: as maybe too simply, but

[2:08:44] Voice 14: if we could

[2:08:46] Voice 14: just amend

[2:08:48] Voice 14: the housing portion of the OCP

[2:08:50] Voice 14: to facilitate past 530

[2:08:53] Voice 14: first, throw it on

[2:08:55] Voice 14: EC. We have plenty of arguments as to

[2:08:56] Voice 14: why the heck it should be passed.

[2:08:58] Voice 14: I really believe it.

[2:09:01] Voice 17: that's another story. Anyways, get on with that. Work on the housing portion of the official community

[2:09:09] Voice 14: plan, which shouldn't take very long at all,

[2:09:11] Voice 17: and then facilitate workforce ownership housing projects via

[2:09:22] Voice 17: zoning amendments. Really simple. I just see a less complicated rhetoric.

[2:09:31] Voice 4: I believe it doesn't have to be. I'll just leave it at that. I'm looking forward to going for tacos.

[2:09:38] Voice 15: Okay, so I just like to go ahead and propose the following motion.

[2:09:44] Voice 15: I move that the local trust committee request staff to prepare business case updates for LTC projects for the September meeting.

[2:09:54] Voice 4: Business case

[2:09:56] Trustee Patrick: for the 24-25 budget, if we're going to be thinking about our wording.

[2:10:01] Voice 13: I was just going to check in with staff and see if that was sufficient.

[2:10:04] Voice 13: patients so

[2:10:07] Voice 6: i think it would be um ideal to say for the um to request business cases for the um

[2:10:14] Voice 6: for the yeah i think that's probably right now what

[2:10:17] Voice 4: i mean you know what we're talking about

[2:10:19] Voice 6: right well what i'm struggling with is the water sustainability piece we're going to talk about

[2:10:22] Voice 6: that this afternoon yeah

[2:10:24] Voice 6: so um that's going to be um

[2:10:26] Voice 4: so it may be best just to focus on ocp and

[2:10:29] Voice 4: and Ganges at this point.

[2:10:32] Voice 4: Okay, if we leave it

[2:10:34] Voice 13: as projects

[2:10:35] Voice 13: and then we've given some direction,

[2:10:39] Voice 13: if we need to clarify a little bit

[2:10:40] Voice 13: after we've had that discussion, I just don't,

[2:10:42] Voice 13: I mean, I heard that we

[2:10:44] Voice 4: need to give you direction.

[2:10:45] Voice 4: I don't want it to fall off the

[2:10:47] Voice 15: radar.

[2:10:49] Voice 15: So I'd like to just go ahead and advance that at this point

[2:10:52] Voice 15: and if we need to refine it this afternoon, let's do that.

[2:10:56] Voice 15: okay so uh

[2:10:58] Voice 13: move that i can do believe it's a second discussion for the discussion well just um

[2:11:04] Trustee Patrick: like i said the scoping you know like like last night again we had the conversation about

[2:11:10] Trustee Patrick: you know there is a need to look at the alr lands in relation to ganges you know perhaps outside

[2:11:17] Trustee Patrick: ganges to do some net zero loss adjustment to help some of some of these landowners that are

[2:11:24] Trustee Patrick: are stuck yeah um you know so as we scope i mean i in my mind i'm like i to me that fits into the

[2:11:34] Trustee Patrick: projects we're here but those are that's why it's important to have some scoping exercises so we're

[2:11:38] Trustee Patrick: not what's in my mind and what's in the budget needs to be matched so that we could we could

[2:11:45] Trustee Patrick: say with some confidence that we're you know we are thinking of doing that kind of work or that

[2:11:50] Trustee Patrick: fits into the ocp project um okay

[2:11:55] Voice 15: i'm noticing the time taking anyway and and i also just going

[2:12:00] Voice 15: to note that we're going to be coming back for local trust committee projects and maybe we can

[2:12:04] Voice 15: have a

[2:12:04] Voice 4: more discussion at that point um because that's a perfectly appropriate time to have

[2:12:10] Voice 4: further discussion on this um and so if you're all right with that i'll go ahead and call the

[2:12:16] Voice 4: question and all those in favor and very unanimously uh we have applications with

[2:12:25] Voice 4: status report at 1 30 page 136 on that expense report on page 1353 islands trust conservancy

[2:12:37] Voice 4: board report there is none and there is no salt spring island watershed protection alliance report

[2:12:42] Voice 4: court and that being the case uh i would like to recess for lunch uh we are a little bit uh

[2:12:53] Voice 4: constrained here um so i think i think i would like to recall us at 12 15 so everyone has a

[2:13:01] Voice 4: ample opportunity to get something to eat and uh and a bit of a break so we'll be

[2:13:08] Voice 17: back here at

[2:13:09] Voice 17: 12 15. thank you

[2:32:50] Voice 17: Hey, Conrad, can you hear me?

[2:35:37] Voice 17: Jordan, can you hear me?

[2:35:38] Voice 17: That was beautiful, Conrad.

[2:35:49] Voice 17: Well done, buddy.

[2:44:48] Voice 17: All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's reconvene the meeting at

[2:44:53] Voice 13: 12.15 here.

[2:44:55] Voice 13: For the benefit of anyone that wasn't here, we did skip

[2:45:00] Voice 13: ahead and address items 15

[2:45:03] Voice 4: and 16 before the break.

[2:45:06] Voice 4: So we're going to start in on Section 13, Applications and Referrals.

[2:45:10] Voice 4: The first item is DVP 2023.3 NOPL on page 43.

[2:45:25] Voice 4: And there's a planner bucking with us virtually today.

[2:45:30] Voice 4: You're bucking

[2:45:31] Voice 17: over to you.

[2:45:32] Voice 10: The screen is getting its wild.

[2:45:34] Voice 10: Hello, can you hear me?

[2:45:37] Voice 10: Yes.

[2:45:37] Voice 10: Okay, perfect.

[2:45:38] Voice 10: I prepared a short presentation.

[2:45:40] Voice 10: I usually don't do these, but this one's a bit more complex,

[2:45:42] Voice 10: so I thought it'd be easier to visualize for sure.

[2:45:44] Voice 10: So can you see this presentation here? It's blinking.

[2:45:48] Voice 10: Let's

[2:45:48] Trustee Patrick: see if we can, I think that's our end.

[2:45:52] Voice 4: Oh there it's stabilized. No.

[2:45:54] Voice 4: Oh for a half second.

[2:45:58] Trustee Patrick: Now it's, now it is. If

[2:46:00] Voice 4: I don't take a minute.

[2:46:01] Voice 4: It looks better now. Why don't

[2:46:04] Voice 17: you go ahead let's try it out.

[2:46:06] Voice 10: Sure, so we have a development variance permit application for 38 Mackenzie Crescent located on

[2:46:12] Voice 10: piers island this property falls under the piers island land use bylaw and piers island official

[2:46:17] Voice 10: community plan i would like to provide a bit of background prior to introducing the proposal

[2:46:22] Voice 10: so residential zone properties on piers island are permitted to have a single family residence

[2:46:27] Voice 10: a fully detached auxiliary guest cottage with a maximum 37 square meters in floor area

[2:46:32] Voice 10: and accessory buildings with a combined maximum 37 square meters in floor area the subject property

[2:46:39] Voice 10: has a single family residence built in the 1960s, an auxiliary guest cottage constructed in 2004,

[2:46:45] Voice 10: and two accessory buildings including an accessory storage room which is attached to

[2:46:49] Voice 10: the cottage, the other being a tool shed. So back in 2004 the property owners at the time received

[2:46:56] Voice 10: approval for a development variance permit which enabled the attachment of the current auxiliary

[2:47:02] Voice 10: guest cottage to the storage room while increasing the total allowable maximum floor area for all

[2:47:07] Voice 10: accessory buildings on site after approval the buildings were constructed as proposed

[2:47:13] Voice 10: so the property has recently switched ownership and the new owners have requested an amendment

[2:47:17] Voice 10: to the 2004 variance permits to include a total uh sorry getting back backed up here

[2:47:28] Voice 10: so essentially to amend the 2004 permits during the processing there were there was a third

[2:47:35] Voice 10: variants identified in addition to the two that were asked for variances. The applicant would like

[2:47:40] Voice 10: to build a new single family dwelling in the near future and would like to swap the auxiliary guest

[2:47:45] Voice 10: cottage location to the existing residence. And can you folks see this presentation now? Is it

[2:47:50] Voice 10: working for you? Yeah.

[2:47:52] Voice 10: Yeah okay perfect. So they'd like to swap locations the current auxiliary guest

[2:47:59] Voice 10: cottage and storage room would be removed prior to the new single family dwelling construction being

[2:48:03] Voice 10: completed. Because the proposed auxiliary guest cottage would exceed the maximum 37 square meters,

[2:48:08] Voice 10: the applicant would like to split the building to include an accessory storage room similar to

[2:48:12] Voice 10: the 2004 approval. This would be separate from the cottage use. The total floor area for all

[2:48:18] Voice 10: accessory buildings would add up to 40.2 square meters, which is 3.2 square meters higher than

[2:48:23] Voice 10: the maximum 37 square meter allowance. Staff see this as a minor variance and it was previously

[2:48:30] Voice 10: permitted based on a different site layout in 2004. In addition between 2016 and 2018

[2:48:36] Voice 10: the same 2004 property owners replaced the retaining seawall entirely with a lot block

[2:48:41] Voice 10: seawall structure and this was located within 15 meters the 15 meter minimum setback to the ocean

[2:48:47] Voice 10: without a permit. Because the retaining wall is located within the setback area,

[2:48:52] Voice 10: a variance is also required to ensure land use bylaw compliance. So to summarize because I

[2:48:58] Voice 10: went on a bit of a tangent there, variances are required for the following. Section 3.8.2 to

[2:49:03] Voice 10: allow the cottage to be connected to an accessory building. Section 3.6.4 to increase the maximum

[2:49:10] Voice 10: accessory building combined floor area. And section 4.3.1 to legalize the siting of an

[2:49:15] Voice 10: existing seawall. Staff recommend that the local trust committee approve the development variance

[2:49:20] Voice 10: permit as proposed. If there's any questions, I'm happy to answer. And the applicant and owner

[2:49:25] Voice 10: have also joined us over zoom chat here um and just going to run through the presentation here

[2:49:30] Voice 10: really quickly on the powerpoint so this uh what you're seeing here is the 2004 site plan

[2:49:35] Voice 10: the building right here in the middle is the current auxiliary guest uh cottage with the

[2:49:41] Voice 10: attached uh storage room down below is the current single family dwelling so uh what they want to do

[2:49:49] Voice 10: now is to shift the dwelling up to where the auxiliary guest cottage is located currently

[2:49:54] Voice 10: currently uh in the future they're going to remove this and construct a single family dwelling and

[2:49:59] Voice 10: they want to make the current dwelling down below here the cabin with the split use right in the

[2:50:04] Voice 10: middle any

[2:50:08] Voice 17: questions questions for the platter no no no okay well the does the applicant have

[2:50:21] Voice 17: anything they'd like to share with the local press committee hey

[2:50:26] Voice 11: guys um no I think Chris

[2:50:28] Voice 11: did a good job um kind of explaining the case um essentially the dwelling up top there we're

[2:50:35] Voice 11: just trying to move the variance from that building to the one below so we can keep the

[2:50:39] Voice 11: older dwelling that's been on the property since the 1960s and just trying to keep that

[2:50:46] Voice 11: rural piece there but otherwise yeah it's fairly fairly straightforward happy to

[2:50:52] Voice 11: provide some more context or answer any questions if you have any thanks thank

[2:50:57] Trustee Patrick: you trustees i do

[2:50:58] Trustee Patrick: not necessarily for the up thing thank you for being here it might be um i guess clarify that

[2:51:05] Trustee Patrick: seawalls are allowed use, is that correct on Piers Island?

[2:51:09] Voice 10: Under the S1 zoning, it does allow a seawall accessory to an established principal use.

[2:51:17] Voice 10: I

[2:51:19] Trustee Patrick: have a second question. Are there any archaeological risks in the area?

[2:51:28] Voice 10: There is a registered archaeological site. Based on the aerial photography, it doesn't appear that

[2:51:34] Voice 10: the seawall actually is built on that area. It looks like the cabin does intrude on that area

[2:51:39] Voice 10: a little bit. Now, this variance permit doesn't actually contemplate any extensions or alterations

[2:51:46] Voice 10: to the buildings at this time. It's all interior and use-related. So, because they were within 50

[2:51:52] Voice 10: meters of this registered site, they were provided the provincial form, the chance to find protocol.

[2:51:57] Voice 10: So, the applicant should be aware.

[2:52:01] Trustee Patrick: Well, I guess to the applicant, are you aware now?

[2:52:04] Trustee Patrick: Now, I guess that's the question.

[2:52:09] Voice 11: Yeah, just to provide some context.

[2:52:11] Voice 11: So there was an existing seawall there that was with the original structure in the 1960s.

[2:52:17] Voice 11: And I understand it was like a piling one.

[2:52:19] Voice 11: And then the previous owner at some point, just through the aerial photos, we know it was just replaced from a piles to a concrete lock block.

[2:52:30] Voice 11: So I don't think any material that would have been disturbed that hadn't already previously been disturbed.

[2:52:35] Voice 11: But we are aware that there's some archaeological sites on Piers Island, and before we would do any upgrading to the dwelling up top, we certainly would go through those proper protocols, yes.

[2:52:46] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. That's all I wanted to hear.

[2:52:50] Trustee Patrick: it's important to hear from, you know, when you have archaeological sites to be curious,

[2:52:56] Trustee Patrick: interested, and learn about the responsibilities and of having, you know, living amongst

[2:53:05] Trustee Patrick: such an important history.

[2:53:09] Voice 5: Any other questions? Thank you.

[2:53:13] Voice 16: All right, so there is a recommendation

[2:53:17] Voice 13: recommendation uh

[2:53:18] Voice 17: here on

[2:53:19] Voice 17: page 43 I believe it was thank you very much feel free

[2:53:27] Trustee Patrick: I'll move that

[2:53:28] Trustee Patrick: the South Spring Isle local trust committee approved development variance permit ssdbp

[2:53:33] Trustee Patrick: 2023.3 and request staff to issue the permit so

[2:53:38] Voice 16: moved seconded any further discussion

[2:53:41] Voice 16: not seeing any I'll call the question all in favor and the motion carries

[2:53:47] Voice 16: Okay. So that takes us then to 13.2 on page 64.

[2:54:00] Voice 16: We have a staff report. We've been advised that

[2:54:04] Voice 4: Connor Fertino isn't doing well today, and I'm sure Cotton is going to bring us this one.

[2:54:11] Voice 6: Bear with me. I'll do my best to navigate this. I didn't read this report last week, so I should be up on it.

[2:54:17] Voice 6: But the LTC will recall that at the last, in the June 22nd meeting, this application was presented.

[2:54:26] Voice 6: At that time, we were directed, LTC asked staff to investigate the possibility of a good neighbor agreement,

[2:54:37] Voice 6: agreement, as well as explore options for locating permanent signage regarding speed

[2:54:44] Voice 6: safety at 270. The report does outline some of the pitfalls and challenges of good neighbor

[2:54:52] Voice 6: agreements, as well as indicate that if LTC wishes to consider that, that we would probably

[2:54:59] Voice 6: seek legal advice, since this is not something that's used at Island Trust, and we would

[2:55:05] Voice 6: be introducing a new uh agreement like this we probably want to ensure that we're we're doing it

[2:55:11] Voice 6: prudently and appropriately uh prior to implementing that uh with regards to signage

[2:55:18] Voice 6: uh i think we we just wanted to really clarify that uh on public roadways uh the ministry of

[2:55:24] Voice 6: transportation and infrastructure is exclusively responsible for signage uh on their roads so um

[2:55:30] Voice 6: the ltc uh could request or require that that signage be put up as a condition of this approval

[2:55:35] Voice 6: But it really is entirely up to the construction of MOTI to

[2:55:39] Voice 4: approve that request and to maintain that signage over time in order to change speed limits.

[2:55:46] Voice 4: There's definitely a jurisdictional barrier

[2:55:49] Voice 6: to that approach as well.

[2:55:52] Voice 6: well. Overall, though, the recommendation here is the same. The Trust Committee sent

[2:56:05] Voice 6: a response to the LCUD indicating that the application for Salt Springs Brewing, which

[2:56:17] Voice 6: states the potential impact of noise on the community in the immediate vicinity of the

[2:56:20] Voice 6: establishment would be minimal uh the impact on the community uh if the application is approved

[2:56:24] Voice 6: would be negligible uh and that the uh permitted the use is permitted by zoning and that the local

[2:56:30] Voice 6: trust committee recommends the application be approved uh additionally um that uh

[2:56:35] Voice 6: self-renowned uh local trust committee direct staff to include a record of community consultation

[2:56:40] Voice 6: contained

[2:56:40] Voice 4: within the report prepared by planning you know on uh on 222nd regarding

[2:56:47] Voice 17: 270 furnace road

[2:56:53] Voice 17: Okay, questions, the applicant, the applicant here.

[2:56:58] Voice 17: Yes.

[2:57:01] Voice 1: Hi I am Rebecca hard and I'm online.

[2:57:05] Voice 1: I'm sorry I can keep my camera off because my Wi Fi is a little bit funny today, but I do have a few key points that I just wanted to speak to and I will try and keep it as brief as possible.

[2:57:17] Voice 1: um just specifically um the outcomes from this morning um from the the community that we heard

[2:57:23] Voice 1: i just wanted to speak to a few items um the proposal in front of you today is for a lounge

[2:57:27] Voice 1: endorsement for a manufacturing facility this is not a pub license and stating that it's a pub

[2:57:32] Voice 1: license is just simply not accurate the manufacturer um if this is approved the

[2:57:38] Voice 1: manufacturer is still very much restricted unlike a pub license that has no restrictions and

[2:57:42] Voice 1: And particularly, 80% of the sales from the lounge must always be attributed to product that's manufactured on site.

[2:57:49] Voice 1: So very much the spirit is still focused towards what is manufactured on the property.

[2:57:54] Voice 1: And therefore, only 20% of the sales can be related to other items such as beer and wine.

[2:58:00] Voice 1: This is reviewed and sales receipts are often viewed by inspectors in the province.

[2:58:04] Voice 1: And it always maintains that the focus is on manufacturing and that the lounge actually doesn't morph into a pub.

[2:58:10] Voice 1: It's one of the particulars of the manufacturing lounge.

[2:58:13] Voice 1: It was noted this morning, landscaping. Well, it's not part of this application.

[2:58:19] Voice 1: I thought it might be important to discuss it.

[2:58:22] Voice 1: And basically, if approved, the landscaping plan has been supplied to the Island Trust, and they'll start to commence a build out of a live wall.

[2:58:33] Voice 1: And it's a hedge on the borderline of the property to actually beautify the property and enhance the landscaping.

[2:58:39] Voice 1: so there is a definite landscape plan and then the secondary point to this live edge hedge i guess you

[2:58:45] Voice 1: could say is supposed to reduce any possible noise and while we still don't feel that there would be

[2:58:51] Voice 1: any noise it's obviously a concern of the community and so that's why they wanted to go

[2:58:55] Voice 1: ahead and just put it in anyway and are truly committed to implementing the things that they've

[2:59:00] Voice 1: committed to land use was a comment again that made this morning this site is zoned alr land

[2:59:06] Voice 1: and the manufacturing of lounge is a permitted use.

[2:59:09] Voice 1: I wanted to just make it clear

[2:59:11] Voice 1: that there's no application in front of you

[2:59:13] Voice 1: to amend the property land use in any way

[2:59:16] Voice 1: and that the lounge is permitted

[2:59:17] Voice 1: as an ancillary use under the ALR, ALC.

[2:59:21] Voice 1: I also wanted to add essentially

[2:59:25] Voice 1: that the neighbors in adjacent to the property

[2:59:27] Voice 1: actually host many weddings

[2:59:29] Voice 1: and have live events on their property.

[2:59:30] Voice 1: I don't believe they actually have a license in any way.

[2:59:33] Voice 1: So we're just trying to follow the protocols

[2:59:35] Voice 1: falls of our land. And so the land use piece isn't actually something that's being addressed.

[2:59:43] Voice 1: Second, I wanted to speak to a few points. Obviously, they were in the report today

[2:59:48] Voice 1: that we've taken and actions and steps that we've taken because we did hear the concerns from the

[2:59:52] Voice 1: last meeting. So we did go ahead and install permanent side edge on the property. It's a

[2:59:56] Voice 1: wood structure. There's also a wood sign that's been installed.

[3:00:00] Voice 1: toward the end of the road as well to ensure that people are hopefully paying attention,

[3:00:04] Voice 1: driving slow, and are mindful of their neighbors. We've updated our website, and it'll be a permanent

[3:00:10] Voice 1: item where people can continually communicate with the brewery if they think that they want to

[3:00:14] Voice 1: provide feedback or have any questions or concerns, because the goal is truly to be a good

[3:00:18] Voice 1: neighbor. We went out and obtained further letters of support, and again, this was brought to your

[3:00:24] Voice 1: attention this morning, but just a clarifying point that there were 89 letters of support,

[3:00:28] Voice 1: And those were all from folks living on Salt Spring Island and in the community.

[3:00:33] Voice 1: We did have 20 additional letters that tourists did sign, but we did not include those in our submission to Island Trust because we do understand the local versus tourist trade.

[3:00:43] Voice 1: But we wanted to gather those 89 components of the community and get those over to you.

[3:00:48] Voice 1: We did, as noted, investigate the Good Neighbor Agreement.

[3:00:51] Voice 1: We're still super supportive of that.

[3:00:53] Voice 1: and if it's something that Island Trust wishes to do in the future, we would be happy to engage in

[3:00:57] Voice 1: that conversation and continue work on that. With respect to the spill comment this morning,

[3:01:03] Voice 1: I can't really speak to it. I am going to bop some comments back over to Louie,

[3:01:07] Voice 1: who's sitting in your audience today, and we could provide some insight to that because I

[3:01:12] Voice 1: just don't have enough information on the operations. All I do know is that Vancouver

[3:01:16] Voice 1: Health Authority does inspect the property regularly to ensure there are no health issues or

[3:01:23] Voice 1: items issuing on the property that could be impactful to the community and that's it i'm

[3:01:29] Voice 1: available for for questions if you have any more to the technical aspects on the licensing and then

[3:01:33] Voice 1: we do have folks in the audience if you have questions around operations we hope you support

[3:01:38] Voice 1: this property in the lounge in front of you today

[3:01:42] Voice 17: trustees any questions trustee patrick well i have

[3:01:49] Trustee Patrick: a question there was some conversation this morning about numbers of people that there

[3:01:53] Trustee Patrick: the staff report on page 64 says that this is for an additional 50 people is what's stated in the

[3:02:02] Trustee Patrick: report and this morning you were saying five so I'd like some clarity on how what is the

[3:02:09] Trustee Patrick: what is the application for in terms of the number of people related to what it's allowed to have

[3:02:16] Trustee Patrick: today gotcha

[3:02:17] Voice 1: it so right now the area is a tasting room and we're allowed to have 45 people in there

[3:02:23] Voice 1: are conducting tastings. And so when we put in a formal application, we have to get a true occupant

[3:02:28] Voice 1: load by an architect, designer, or those of authority. So the application in front of you

[3:02:33] Voice 1: is for 50 persons, which includes staff plus guests. And so that's a staff number as well.

[3:02:40] Voice 1: And so when the comments came about this morning, that's how the operations always visualize it.

[3:02:44] Voice 1: They always truly try to keep it at 45 people that are on the property, but we have to put

[3:02:49] Voice 1: forward a formal application and presentation with a person occupant load so it's a bit of a technical

[3:02:55] Voice 1: um piece to it i guess but it is truly

[3:02:59] Voice 17: what's in the report if that's helpful

[3:03:02] Voice 17: i don't have any further questions um you make comments

[3:03:12] Voice 4: as well or certainly really happy to see

[3:03:16] Voice 4: the signage that's been addressed a very good job was done at that it's one of the major concerns

[3:03:24] Voice 4: In terms of speaking against this application, and it seems to have been addressed, I think this type of business is very important to my youth and the community.

[3:03:37] Voice 4: And from everything I've heard today, I'm

[3:03:41] Voice 17: fully in support of this recommendation.

[3:03:46] Voice 17: Trustee Patrick?

[3:03:48] Voice 17: Well, I

[3:03:48] Trustee Patrick: think I have nothing new to add.

[3:03:50] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I still, I'm sorry I'm comparing you to Wildsiders.

[3:03:54] Trustee Patrick: but that's my vast experience of no i think we've had other liquor control board applications with

[3:04:00] Trustee Patrick: with other brick and mortar facilities in ganges but um um you know i i know they had significant

[3:04:13] Trustee Patrick: um opposition to their initial plans and you know that they really they invested a year

[3:04:20] Trustee Patrick: to turn you know to address each and every issue um and turned it all around and you know we've

[3:04:31] Trustee Patrick: only been talking a couple of months and you know i i i'm my concern is that um you know the

[3:04:38] Trustee Patrick: opposition is still high and um you know this is a this is a facility that you want to be part of

[3:04:46] Trustee Patrick: of the neighborhood part of the island fabric and i and i and i get it like your vision is

[3:04:51] Trustee Patrick: exciting and what you do and and uh and and young young people but if you it's so hard when we're

[3:04:59] Trustee Patrick: out you know in in neighborhoods and creating these businesses that we would hope would be

[3:05:04] Trustee Patrick: successful for a long long time um so at this point i think for me the opposition is still

[3:05:13] Trustee Patrick: too high. Well, I think you've made efforts. I would hope that there could be more done

[3:05:22] Trustee Patrick: to really bring the community on board to be part of your facility. And that's just

[3:05:33] Trustee Patrick: frustrating, because like I said, I don't mean to compare you very different from Wild

[3:05:37] Trustee Patrick: outsider but to see they they did try to divide they they succeeded changing you know by addressing

[3:05:44] Voice 17: the issues that's here

[3:05:47] Voice 4: just with what laura has said um you know i think it's important that we

[3:05:52] Voice 4: realize there's only five more spaces in the tasting room and and again very important points

[3:06:00] Voice 4: were made today that the amount of alcohol consumed outside

[3:06:05] Voice 17: you change by the side it's

[3:06:09] Voice 17: changing it on the inside in the winter it's not a problem that's quite uh that's some very

[3:06:17] Voice 17: important information as well um you know we uh somebody brought up

[3:06:24] Voice 4: a point in the

[3:06:27] Voice 4: portion today stating that this type of thing being drug on for a year or longer isn't good

[3:06:35] Voice 4: for anybody and i don't see a big change and anything happened we drag this on for another

[3:06:41] Voice 4: other year i think um you

[3:06:44] Voice 14: know it'll be an ongoing thing clearly between the brewery and the neighbors

[3:06:49] Voice 4: but i

[3:06:50] Voice 4: really have confidence that they will be able to sort that out on their own it's not up to

[3:06:53] Voice 4: us um to to oversee that at this point i think we've more than done our due diligence

[3:07:00] Voice 4: me personally from what i've heard um again i'm fully in support of passing this now

[3:07:07] Voice 17: and getting on with it thank you um

[3:07:13] Voice 4: so trustees we have some recommendations in the front of us

[3:07:17] Voice 4: we have alternate recommendations uh how would you like to proceed i would be happy to read this

[3:07:24] Voice 17: motion off and see what happens right let me proceed um i

[3:07:32] Voice 4: move that the salzburg local trust

[3:07:34] Voice 4: committee direct staff to send a response to liquor and this regulation grants regarding

[3:07:39] Voice 4: in the application of the 274 S Road South Spring Island Brewing that states

[3:07:45] Voice 14: a potential impact of

[3:07:47] Voice 14: noise on the community in the vicinity of the establishment of the mill b

[3:07:52] Voice 17: the impact on the

[3:07:54] Voice 17: community if

[3:07:55] Voice 4: the application is approved eligible c the use is permitted by zoning d the local trust

[3:08:02] Voice 4: committee recommends the application be approved to oh

[3:08:07] Voice 5: i think we do want to just okay i'll second

[3:08:11] Voice 17: for discussion purposes okay

[3:08:12] Voice 16: uh so lived and seconded

[3:08:14] Voice 14: discussion um i have no worth anything

[3:08:18] Voice 14: further to add other than that i'm fully in support of this and i think it's a really

[3:08:22] Voice 14: important part of our community this type of gumption initiative should be celebrated it's

[3:08:27] Voice 14: something that has gone on in salt spring island for decades and decades and a very important part

[3:08:33] Voice 4: of our community and i will have

[3:08:35] Voice 17: you justine patrick sorry

[3:08:39] Trustee Patrick: um i absolutely agree with what

[3:08:43] Trustee Patrick: you you just said and that is that you know that this is a business that is important to the island

[3:08:49] Trustee Patrick: um but it's it's not me that wants to delay uh you know the the inevitable i mean what again

[3:08:57] Trustee Patrick: wild cider pulled their application voluntarily and addressed the issues and brought it back when

[3:09:02] Trustee Patrick: and they've had a strong foundation to bring it back on.

[3:09:05] Trustee Patrick: And like, so that's fortunately the experience

[3:09:07] Trustee Patrick: I'm going with and I think the opposition,

[3:09:10] Trustee Patrick: I'm uncomfortable saying I could stand on,

[3:09:14] Trustee Patrick: you know, that there are no impacts and it hurts me.

[3:09:22] Trustee Patrick: This is, you know, I'd like to see this resolved

[3:09:26] Trustee Patrick: and it work in a way that, you know,

[3:09:30] Trustee Patrick: would be like i said the two work in synergy uh together because it sounds like there is some

[3:09:39] Trustee Patrick: synergies occurring and some benefit by having traffic um coming down the road for other

[3:09:44] Trustee Patrick: excitement down that road has changed since the brewery it used to be just farms um and now

[3:09:49] Trustee Patrick: there's lots and lots of stands and activity on the road so there is a synergy i believe um

[3:09:57] Trustee Patrick: And I would like to see that really, truly be a synergy of the neighborhood working together.

[3:10:03] Trustee Patrick: That would give me the confidence to feel better.

[3:10:06] Trustee Patrick: And so I am uncomfortable with passing this.

[3:10:14] Trustee Patrick: And I'm sad to deny it.

[3:10:16] Trustee Patrick: This is not something I'd want to, I'd like to be supporting it.

[3:10:21] Trustee Patrick: I agree that this is important.

[3:10:23] Trustee Patrick: important um but i want to see it formed as part of the neighborhood in a more welcoming way

[3:10:35] Voice 17: yes um i agree the community has

[3:10:39] Voice 14: changed down there from what i've seen over the years i've

[3:10:41] Voice 14: been here for over 30 years um there was also a big subdivision that went in down there i think

[3:10:47] Voice 14: a lot of the traffic could serve you know clearly it's partially due to that um this brewery has

[3:10:53] Voice 14: been

[3:10:53] Voice 4: there for a long time and it's already an ongoing business so i really don't see how

[3:11:00] Voice 4: this is going to change that and really you know the recommendation is quite clear and i'm very

[3:11:06] Voice 4: thankful for staff and the effort they put into it i don't want to belabor the points but it's

[3:11:13] quite clear here the potential impact

[3:11:15] Voice 4: in the immediate vicinity and the noise is would be

[3:11:19] Voice 14: minimum the impact on the community would be negligible it's permitted by zoning this is

[3:11:24] Voice 14: pretty cut and dry unfortunately as an elected official it yes it is difficult to make decisions

[3:11:30] Voice 14: but that's what we were elected to do was to have a backbone and make some decisions not to send

[3:11:37] Voice 14: them off to the community and let them make the decisions we need to make the decisions and point

[3:11:43] Voice 7: of point of order yes let's not get personal in order i'm not getting personal i have a backbone

[3:11:49] Voice 7: You're indicating I don't have a backbone.

[3:11:52] Voice 13: No, I'm

[3:11:52] Voice 14: indicating that I do.

[3:11:54] Voice 13: So I'm going to take

[3:11:54] Voice 13: your point of order and just please

[3:11:56] Voice 14: drive me away.

[3:11:58] Voice 13: I

[3:11:58] Voice 14: feel that as an electric official, it's important that we make decisions

[3:12:01] Voice 14: and don't be late at these points and drag things on and have a...

[3:12:05] Voice 4: I'm fully prepared to support this.

[3:12:07] Voice 4: And I'm very hopeful that the community in the very, very near vicinity

[3:12:14] Voice 4: will see that everything's going to be fine.

[3:12:17] Voice 4: The rules are going to come to an end.

[3:12:19] Voice 4: we have some great members of the community very much in support

[3:12:24] Voice 14: of this application as well it's

[3:12:26] Voice 14: not there's i think there's greater support than um opposition overall so again

[3:12:34] Voice 4: i don't want to

[3:12:35] Voice 4: drag this on i'm fully happy to vote in favor of this okay so um i'm hearing a clear

[3:12:43] Voice 13: uh difference between the the two local trustees here and uh um i guess my question

[3:12:52] Voice 4: uh trustee

[3:12:55] Voice 4: patrick would be uh and and i i think i share your your concerns um however what i'm unclear

[3:13:04] Voice 4: about is what would what

[3:13:07] Voice 17: would ameliorate that in what

[3:13:12] Voice 13: would this local trust committee be able

[3:13:15] Voice 13: to do or to direct or to request that

[3:13:18] Voice 4: would ameliorate um your concerns about proceeding

[3:13:21] Voice 4: today um if given more time i'm

[3:13:27] Voice 13: just sort of unclear about the path uh just so that i better

[3:13:33] Voice 13: i just i'm

[3:13:33] Voice 4: just trying to better understand um sort of what you've said and what you would see us

[3:13:40] Voice 4: as as a way forward well

[3:13:44] Trustee Patrick: again sorry sorry to keep bringing up the wild side i'm not

[3:13:46] Trustee Patrick: I'm not pitching mild signers.

[3:13:48] Trustee Patrick: They worked with their neighbors.

[3:13:52] Trustee Patrick: They did the work, worked with each individual neighbor

[3:13:55] Trustee Patrick: and addressed their issues, including striking things out of the license,

[3:14:03] Trustee Patrick: putting limits in the license that gave the assurances to the neighbors

[3:14:08] Trustee Patrick: of the concerns that they had.

[3:14:10] Trustee Patrick: And they took the time and effort to create that relationship

[3:14:14] Trustee Patrick: because they're there.

[3:14:15] Trustee Patrick: they're there for a long time and um and that's so i don't think this is on us you know whether

[3:14:23] Trustee Patrick: or not the good neighbor policy if that's something that you know mike is worth doing

[3:14:28] Trustee Patrick: if that fixes the issue um but i to me it's a it's a relationship with the business in the

[3:14:34] Trustee Patrick: neighborhood um to address what the the issues are what

[3:14:42] Voice 4: i'd like to add is from from the

[3:14:44] Voice 4: The input we've had through Zoom,

[3:14:48] Voice 14: which I think some concerns have been met about the amount that's

[3:14:52] Voice 4: produced as to 80%, what can be served has to make the 80% of what's produced there.

[3:15:01] Voice 4: Sorry about mixing it up primarily there, but I think that is something that maybe wasn't realized until today.

[3:15:10] Voice 4: That's a pretty big concern that's just been addressed.

[3:15:13] Voice 4: addressed. Again, the change in activity is so minimal. There is labor in the point, especially

[3:15:23] Voice 4: for the community and having the community, especially the local community, drug on for

[3:15:29] Voice 4: the amount of time and disagreeing on what's

[3:15:35] Voice 17: going to be what and arguments back and forth.

[3:15:37] Voice 17: that it's a good idea to pass this down you have anything further to add at all

[3:15:49] Voice 13: uh so yes this is

[3:15:51] Voice 13: this is a decision point where uh clearly a decision one where the other is not going to make

[3:15:57] Voice 4: everyone happy um i'm not clear that uh additional time would necessarily accomplish that

[3:16:06] Voice 4: And I guess my concern about sort of a suggestion that it might be approved in the future, if the relationship is approved, without some sort of framework around that,

[3:16:23] Voice 13: sort of, it seems to me that it sort of leaves an open-ended sort of state of limbo.

[3:16:32] Voice 13: And I'm

[3:16:33] Voice 4: not terribly comfortable with that either.

[3:16:34] Voice 4: um heard concerns of of the uh immediate neighbors and that's important

[3:16:42] Voice 16: um but in response to what

[3:16:46] Voice 16: pat trusted patrick said i just not

[3:16:50] Voice 17: seeing a clear path that provides uh the applicant

[3:16:57] Voice 17: you

[3:16:59] Voice 13: know steps to take that what's that you know like like if we were able to lay something out

[3:17:05] Voice 13: and say applicant we're interested in you doing a b and c and coming back to us and then you know

[3:17:14] Voice 13: then we'll be happier about uh approving it but i'm not i sort of feel like i'm not hearing that

[3:17:19] Voice 13: so i'm a little bit uncomfortable putting the applicant in a situation where we're

[3:17:25] Voice 4: it feels a little bit vague like we don't have a clear ask and that that's

[3:17:29] Voice 4: i

[3:17:30] Voice 14: find that difficult trustee for a good point i think that you know at the last meeting that

[3:17:37] Voice 14: was brought up what can the applicant do and they have made steps to alleviate concerns

[3:17:43] Voice 14: and another one that we heard again from the local lady on zoom stating there

[3:17:48] Voice 4: was a landscape plan

[3:17:49] Voice 4: and this will be initiated and sort of hedge which you know it seems that that's a they're

[3:17:56] Voice 4: taking steps they already they're making steps to make good on what they're doing there is the last

[3:18:01] Voice 4: thing on their mind is is inflaming the local community

[3:18:06] Voice 17: there i've every um i'm encouraged that

[3:18:14] Voice 17: that the brewery will do the right thing and make good affairs for that reason i'm prepared to

[3:18:22] Voice 17: approve this thank

[3:18:24] Voice 4: you trustee patrick well

[3:18:26] Trustee Patrick: to me it's a relationship that's why i said there's

[3:18:29] Trustee Patrick: nothing we can give you can't tell someone to improve their relationship um and that's uh you

[3:18:35] Trustee Patrick: know that's what i saw wild cider do was they turned strong opposition into zero opposition

[3:18:43] Trustee Patrick: by investing the time to listen to the neighbors and address their issues themselves so that's why

[3:18:48] Trustee Patrick: i can't go in there and say this neighbor and that neighbor and i don't know what they're you

[3:18:52] Trustee Patrick: know that they're the they're the members of the neighborhood and will remain the neighborhood

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: going forward and so uh you know it's it's having that solid ground i you know it's it's it's

[3:19:03] Trustee Patrick: uncomfortable when you see a neighborhood that's you know unhappy and uh leads to

[3:19:11] Trustee Patrick: discomfort and who knows who knows what it would just feel more more you know you know more i don't

[3:19:19] Trustee Patrick: know strong strong for me to know that that well 100 of no no opposition i don't expect that but

[3:19:26] Trustee Patrick: but I'd like to see a stronger stance of the,

[3:19:30] Trustee Patrick: of the neighbors here to support or

[3:19:34] Voice 17: no opposition.

[3:19:35] Voice 17: Yeah. Well, certainly I heard what you're saying. And I, and again, I'm,

[3:19:42] Voice 17: I'm I guess I I'd be happier if you had, you know,

[3:19:50] Voice 4: some direct questions or you know,

[3:19:54] Voice 4: for the applicant about what sort of undertaking they might be willing to,

[3:19:59] Voice 4: to do um can i can i say something about the relationship um that we have with our neighbors

[3:20:08] Voice 4: just very quickly before this long job patient we have a very good relationship um if people

[3:20:14] Voice 4: want to hear about community party uh you know so we do have this really good relationship with

[3:20:21] Voice 4: neighbors it's really not neighborhood down there not at all uh and we have always i mean i'm always

[3:20:26] Voice 4: it up in three years and so I can only speak up for what I did but I think on my side I'll

[3:20:30] Voice 4: try to do everything I can and you know the reactivity we had in the last

[3:20:34] Voice 4: last meeting you know how fast we can build those scientists it shows you

[3:20:41] Voice 4: now having a hundred percent of the people agree with us I might not think that this is reasonable

[3:20:47] Voice 4: um and there might be a reason why those people don't want us to have a lounge that are not in our

[3:20:52] Voice 4: are um controlled and you know especially when when you're running an event hall right beside

[3:20:58] Voice 4: and you have an rbnb business right beside like those things are potential conflict of interest

[3:21:04] Voice 4: and i i hardly see how we could have everybody on the same page where everybody has their own

[3:21:10] Voice 4: different interests um but what we can speak of is that we are positive for the community

[3:21:15] Voice 4: we help the farmers we employ people we sell a ton of local products so we definitely have

[3:21:21] Voice 4: a positive impact on the community but we cannot have a positive impact on everybody's personal

[3:21:26] Voice 4: interests okay and that's what we're saying all right i think

[3:21:30] Voice 14: if i may mr chair i think it's very

[3:21:32] Voice 14: important to know we can't forget the fact that this has been an ongoing business for years

[3:21:37] Voice 4: and the potential the potential um you know um change

[3:21:42] Voice 17: and and the amount of business is minimal

[3:21:44] Voice 17: very important.

[3:21:49] Voice 17: I witnessed this morning

[3:21:53] Trustee Patrick: a gentleman, very friendly,

[3:21:55] Trustee Patrick: very friendly,

[3:21:57] Trustee Patrick: but yet,

[3:21:59] Trustee Patrick: and thanked the relationship,

[3:22:01] Trustee Patrick: but still stood in opposition.

[3:22:03] Trustee Patrick: So that's,

[3:22:05] Trustee Patrick: that is a concern to me.

[3:22:07] Trustee Patrick: This isn't

[3:22:09] Trustee Patrick: hate. This is coming from

[3:22:11] Trustee Patrick: there's some concerns that are there.

[3:22:13] Trustee Patrick: And that's what I'm saying is from the

[3:22:15] Trustee Patrick: business perspective to

[3:22:17] Trustee Patrick: to understand and alleviate the concerns that are there.

[3:22:23] Trustee Patrick: I said, it pains me to sit here and say,

[3:22:25] Trustee Patrick: I'm looking at a business and saying, I can't.

[3:22:29] Trustee Patrick: Like I said, I'm comparing to what I saw Wild Cider

[3:22:31] Trustee Patrick: make that investment.

[3:22:33] Trustee Patrick: And because this is a long-term investment

[3:22:36] Trustee Patrick: of being part of the neighborhood for a long time.

[3:22:40] Trustee Patrick: And the Wild Ciders business changed very differently

[3:22:44] Trustee Patrick: um when it got the language and and it's year round and it's and it's like it's it which is

[3:22:52] Trustee Patrick: good for your employers um employees i mean but um um it's it's something the neighborhood needs

[3:22:59] Trustee Patrick: to be part of that of that fabric because it's you can't you're out in the country here you're

[3:23:06] Trustee Patrick: part and parcel with your neighborhood and i just for me it's just i want to see a stronger

[3:23:10] Trustee Patrick: stronger, you know, relationship there.

[3:23:14] Voice 4: And I would like to speak.

[3:23:18] Voice 1: Hi, I just have a couple

[3:23:20] Voice 1: of points. We actually went out door to door on knocked on every door and left a flyer as well.

[3:23:27] Voice 1: Of the people, I believe there was one that we were able to get face to face with. And she had

[3:23:32] Voice 1: concern without coming. Number one, it was at 930 in the morning, so she couldn't come out because

[3:23:37] Voice 1: because she had to work. But she felt like she was being torn apart making a decision between

[3:23:41] Voice 1: a couple of folks who are neighboring, trying to get their petition signed to oppose and then us

[3:23:47] Voice 1: trying to get to support and they were more agnostic towards the whole situation. It's like

[3:23:52] Voice 1: they didn't, they didn't want to support it, but they really didn't care to oppose it. And I find

[3:23:56] Voice 1: like, in most applications that I deal with across the province, I've never heard it worse. I did

[3:24:03] Voice 1: just hear you say not 100 support but we're really only talking about two families and the speakers

[3:24:08] Voice 1: that are generally engaged with us in opposition are friends of family members and um parents and

[3:24:16] Voice 1: so yes they're speaking but at the same time we can't ignore the 89 letters of support from the

[3:24:22] Voice 1: community the jobs that this location employs and the fact that when we did go door-to-door

[3:24:27] Voice 1: they didn't really want to stand up and support and to say that similar to the applicant that

[3:24:31] Voice 1: that you're suggesting, there's no way to actually get everyone on board. We sometimes just have to

[3:24:38] Voice 1: agree to disagree. And people tend to vote with their wallets in the future. If this business

[3:24:42] Voice 1: isn't doing what the community wants in the future, it would ultimately go out of business

[3:24:46] Voice 1: because people would just stop attending it and the revenue wouldn't be there. So there is a burden

[3:24:51] Voice 1: of this applicant to ensure they continue with producing what they say they're going to do. They

[3:24:56] Voice 1: They continue being a good neighbor well after this application is approved and operating.

[3:25:02] Voice 1: It's in their best interest at all times to ensure they have community support.

[3:25:09] Voice 1: I don't think we're ever going to get 100% of the people just because of the way that

[3:25:13] Voice 1: the communication has gone back and forth.

[3:25:16] Voice 1: And it's sad.

[3:25:17] Voice 1: We would love that.

[3:25:18] Voice 1: But we just sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

[3:25:20] Voice 1: We've heard all the comments.

[3:25:22] Voice 1: We were here at the last meeting.

[3:25:24] Voice 1: We heard what the direction was from you guys.

[3:25:26] Voice 1: and we implemented those items if you want us to go and do something please tell us we'd be happy

[3:25:32] Voice 1: to do it i just think um to actually go out and seek 100 of that community support is um

[3:25:40] Voice 1: not realistic we would love it i just don't

[3:25:43] Voice 17: know how to accomplish it

[3:25:50] Voice 17: any further trustees because i would just you know thank

[3:25:55] Voice 14: you for that um input just now um

[3:25:59] Voice 14: very valid points all the more reason in my mind we need to make a decision now we don't want to

[3:26:06] Voice 14: tear the community apart with you know clearly there's people that aren't going to agree

[3:26:10] Voice 14: and yes it's tough to make a decision i realize i take my position seriously and and as much as

[3:26:17] Voice 14: it's as difficult as it is to make

[3:26:21] Voice 4: a decision i understand that is what we're here for is to make

[3:26:24] Voice 4: and make decisions in these types of situations um and i'm ready to make a decision

[3:26:31] Voice 17: anything further right then i'm going to call a question on the motion

[3:26:42] Voice 17: all in favor and any opposed and motion

[3:26:48] Voice 4: carries that difficult discussion and uh appreciate

[3:26:55] Voice 4: everyone's uh input thank you

[3:26:59] Voice 1: very much for for listening to us and again feedback is always

[3:27:02] Voice 1: always welcome we will continue to try and get 100 of the people on board with us like this is an end

[3:27:08] Voice 1: today for us okay

[3:27:11] Voice 4: thank you second motion on that too uh there is a

[3:27:14] Voice 14: uh to read the motion yeah I

[3:27:17] Voice 14: moved that the seltzer and local trust committee direct staff to a record of Community consultation

[3:27:23] Voice 14: contained within the staff report dated June 22nd 2023 with

[3:27:28] Voice 4: the response to the liquor and cannabis

[3:27:29] Voice 4: for any issues regarding what you said so

[3:27:35] Voice 17: moved i'll second that uh discussion on the second

[3:27:39] Voice 17: motion trustee patrick

[3:27:41] Trustee Patrick: what about the materials that were received today should

[3:27:46] Voice 17: they be included

[3:27:47] Voice 17: in a friendly amendment if you want to

[3:27:51] Voice 17: i think

[3:27:52] Voice 4: it should be an inclusive

[3:27:53] Voice 17: package of what we have

[3:27:56] Voice 17: for certification we need to amend that um chrissy harris unless you have an objection we can

[3:28:05] Voice 17: include those i'd

[3:28:08] Voice 4: look to staff so that i'm just reading what they've written here that stuff was

[3:28:12] Voice 4: indicated that's currently amendment would be and materials received at the meeting okay and

[3:28:16] Voice 4: materials received at the meeting yes please okay so we'll take that as moved and seconded as amended

[3:28:25] Voice 4: and any further discussion for me seeing any I'll

[3:28:30] Voice 17: call the question all those in favor and that

[3:28:34] Voice 17: carries okay

[3:28:36] Voice 16: thank you so this brings us to section 14 local trust committee projects and at 14.1 we

[3:28:47] Voice 4: have a staff report on the housing accelerator fund thank

[3:28:54] Voice 17: you and thank you

[3:28:57] Voice 17: and this staff report is brought to us by planner carpel thank

[3:29:08] Voice 5: you chair and trustees

[3:29:11] Voice 5: i just have a really

[3:29:12] Voice 3: quick uh introduction to this item uh really stack all the direction from

[3:29:18] Voice 3: trustee to apply for the housing that salary they're from and this funding is actually a

[3:29:26] Voice 3: The grant within the federal budget from the federal government

[3:29:35] Voice 3: is a fraction of $4 billion in refunding to create this fund.

[3:29:41] Voice 3: And it's, of course, available for all municipalities across the country.

[3:29:47] Voice 3: And the funding is administered by CNHC,

[3:29:52] Voice 3: the Canada Mortgage and Posing Corporation.

[3:29:56] Voice 3: Uh, the, the purpose, uh,

[3:30:00] Voice 3: As you mentioned, as part of the application, as the requirement is a municipality has to submit a health connection plan with the initiatives that address the framework and identify in the guideline.

[3:30:14] Voice 3: So that's why it's specifically the way we propose.

[3:30:20] Voice 3: And the initiatives aim to increase housing supply and development of a complete low-carbon climate resilient community that is affordable.

[3:30:33] Voice 3: So that is the main purpose.

[3:30:35] Voice 3: And also to be inclusive, equitable advisors.

[3:30:39] Voice 3: And so in the SAP report, we basically just explain what the application is and what the process is, but our request is to have LTC to first and formal gave us a resolution really clearly that you directed us to apply, which is required as part of the application.

[3:31:04] Voice 3: It's also required by our finance department, if we are applying for funding, it has to

[3:31:09] Voice 3: be a very clear resolution, so that is the first one that we recommended.

[3:31:13] Voice 3: And the second one, of course, is to have LTC to accept the housing action fund initiatives

[3:31:23] Voice 3: that we put together, and the business we're trying to meet, they report that line, so

[3:31:30] Voice 3: So the one that is in a package that we'll put together,

[3:31:33] Voice 3: we only managed to put in all the initiatives together.

[3:31:38] Voice 3: And as of yesterday, we really finished to the last minute.

[3:31:43] Voice 3: We managed to put all the information into the document

[3:31:48] Voice 3: to make it look more like a general document.

[3:31:53] Voice 3: And that is the background information.

[3:31:56] Voice 3: So the addendum really did not use the initiatives.

[3:31:59] Voice 3: We did incorporate some of the edits offered by Trustee Patrick, but all in all, we didn't change the substance of the initiatives, so it's just background information which I don't want to be a random.

[3:32:15] Voice 3: And again, the second resolution that staff requested is really for a trustee to accept the initiative in principle, meaning it's kind of an effort.

[3:32:26] Voice 3: first and foremost is to meet the application requirement.

[3:32:31] Voice 3: And we think in the future,

[3:32:33] Voice 3: we still will need to have trustees or LTC

[3:32:38] Voice 3: to review every single initiative, fine-tuning it,

[3:32:43] Voice 3: so we have all those opportunities.

[3:32:47] Voice 3: And

[3:32:47] Voice 17: with that, happy Johnson.

[3:32:50] Voice 17: Thank you.

[3:32:51] Voice 17: Trustees, I have a couple of questions.

[3:32:53] Voice 17: I'm not sure what,

[3:32:58] Voice 17: um trustee patrick has put into change i mean on which i have this amended

[3:33:07] Voice 3: so but

[3:33:08] Voice 4: i don't see where the changes were so

[3:33:11] Voice 3: uh incorporated it's a lot of it is just editing

[3:33:15] Voice 3: it's just words that you know um i

[3:33:18] Voice 4: would love to know what has changed

[3:33:20] Voice 4: to drive anyway and that's one question okay um and i'm not sure if this is too early in this

[3:33:28] Voice 4: process discussion today but as to number two recommendation mr chair can i make comments on

[3:33:35] Voice 4: that or should we well you can make comments on that

[3:33:38] Voice 14: um so accepting the plan initiatives

[3:33:41] Voice 14: in principle um i understand but i do have some difficulty with some of the language

[3:33:50] Voice 4: I wish I could find it again here I was just looking at it maybe somebody maybe you could

[3:33:56] Voice 17: help me refresh my memory on that winner a garbled carbon low carbon

[3:34:06] Voice 3: dimension yes that's

[3:34:07] Voice 3: pretty much a federal mandate that's eventually you know later it's going to be legislation

[3:34:13] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:34:14] Voice 14: thank you. So in my mind, basically, housing anywhere on Salt Springs, other than perhaps, you know, past the mill on Musgrave Road is low carbon

[3:34:26] Voice 4: housing.

[3:34:28] Voice 4: housing. The drive is so short for anywhere to go anywhere. I don't see it as needing

[3:34:33] Voice 4: to be

[3:34:35] Voice 14: in there, and I'm concerned that that might potentially have an impact in the future

[3:34:40] Voice 14: on where we can have a zoning for workforce ownership housing in the form of an extra

[3:34:46] Voice 14: project. So that language is concerning to me. I don't know what we can do to deal with

[3:34:52] Voice 14: that so

[3:34:53] Voice 3: just to explain uh again like like i said to follow very closely to the guideline because

[3:35:00] Voice 3: if you're competing for you want to get the funding and those are a

[3:35:04] Voice 3: lot of the verbiage

[3:35:05] Voice 3: there are criteria that are not to me and again low carbon is really it could it could involve

[3:35:14] Voice 3: building designs and it could be in site designs so in general a building can generate 40 percent

[3:35:22] Voice 3: of the carbon emissions so when they say low carbon is encouraging this is not mandatory

[3:35:28] Voice 3: but it's what our policy will promote so when we do OCP amendment we will encourage

[3:35:36] Voice 3: you know sustainable design for example that is what satisfied the purpose of this application

[3:35:43] Voice 3: so

[3:35:44] Voice 4: if I'm hearing you correctly it's not location it's more design yes

[3:35:49] Voice 3: design site design

[3:35:51] Voice 3: sign its material and it's not mandatory but as a municipality we should encourage

[3:35:58] Voice 3: so that is where we want to score high of course otherwise no point in applying so we're going to

[3:36:07] Voice 3: say that in our policy we will support that because it is already in our UCP it's already

[3:36:13] Voice 3: in the policy that will support climate resilience community and all that it's just that it's been

[3:36:18] Voice 3: more than 10 years old. We need to

[3:36:20] Voice 3: strengthen it. We need to look at the

[3:36:22] Voice 3: recent legislation to make sure

[3:36:25] Voice 3: we're going down that path.

[3:36:26] Voice 14: I understand clearly. Thank you for clarifying that.

[3:36:29] Voice 14: Sure.

[3:36:31] Trustee Patrick: These were specific

[3:36:33] Trustee Patrick: objectives set out by the funding

[3:36:34] Trustee Patrick: that in order to receive

[3:36:37] Trustee Patrick: funding, it had to be

[3:36:39] Trustee Patrick: low-carbon, climate resilient.

[3:36:42] Trustee Patrick: So that's why

[3:36:43] Trustee Patrick: she's stressing these in the application.

[3:36:45] Voice 14: Yes, she made a point.

[3:36:46] Voice 14: so yeah thank you as well

[3:36:48] Trustee Patrick: as affordable inclusive equitable um and diverse communities is also an

[3:36:53] Trustee Patrick: objective so um and as well as complete communities which is walkable so there's different objectives

[3:36:59] Trustee Patrick: that were required well

[3:37:01] Voice 4: she made it clear that doesn't necessarily mean locations yeah so thank

[3:37:04] Voice 4: you very much and trust patrick do you have further to add well

[3:37:09] Trustee Patrick: again as i stated earlier

[3:37:11] Trustee Patrick: here in my report i'm very grateful for um you pulling pulling this together and i think the

[3:37:16] Trustee Patrick: threads you see all the threads and you did a lot of work pulling pulling pulling this together

[3:37:21] Trustee Patrick: my only comment and this is more as we go forward i you know i i went out and looked at what does

[3:37:28] Trustee Patrick: some of our competition look like and and canmore was one of the ones that i um pulled in because

[3:37:35] Trustee Patrick: it's kind of a quasi-tourist area and similar effects. The flavor that they bring across

[3:37:44] Trustee Patrick: appeals to the problem that they're facing. When I read this, it's like, are we on an island?

[3:37:52] Trustee Patrick: Do we have constraint? Do we have income inequality? Do we have some serious issues

[3:37:59] Trustee Patrick: was happening and that just doesn't come across on reading it i think um and i think how we can

[3:38:05] Trustee Patrick: how we can take that opportunity in fact cammore says they they say they have the highest income

[3:38:10] Trustee Patrick: inequality in canada but ours is worse in in the census now maybe for municipalities it's the worst

[3:38:20] Trustee Patrick: but to be able to say that you know to say that they have the highest income inequality in canada

[3:38:26] Trustee Patrick: but our Gini coefficient is worse so are we the worst in Canada that's a big statement

[3:38:37] Trustee Patrick: but they're going to be putting in on their application that's

[3:38:40] Voice 14: a very good point trustee

[3:38:41] Voice 14: Patrick and I think the message we can get it across is how dire yes ownership housing

[3:38:48] Voice 14: crisis is at this point

[3:38:50] Voice 4: but it's imperative or that is going to be put in well the application

[3:38:55] Voice 4: because you need to be there.

[3:38:57] Trustee Patrick: Exactly.

[3:38:57] Trustee Patrick: And that's what I think that was.

[3:38:59] Trustee Patrick: That's the only thing that really sets it apart from, you know,

[3:39:02] Trustee Patrick: I think you've done a great job of bringing everything together,

[3:39:05] Trustee Patrick: but it doesn't paint the picture of the challenges that we're facing

[3:39:11] Trustee Patrick: on Salt Spring.

[3:39:14] Trustee Patrick: And I fear, you know, we've had a low success rate in Ottawa,

[3:39:19] Trustee Patrick: and I think it's because in Ottawa they sit there and go,

[3:39:22] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring, it's a great place to go visit.

[3:39:24] Trustee Patrick: it they've got problems really you know they don't know um that we face you know the same problems of

[3:39:34] Trustee Patrick: other communities but even being on an island it just seems to be constrained worse that's pretty

[3:39:39] Voice 4: yeah

[3:39:39] Trustee Patrick: so i think we we have to find a way and whatever you know when the application is getting

[3:39:46] Trustee Patrick: pulled together whatever we can do to to to show that you know islands are constraining by nature

[3:39:53] Trustee Patrick: And our problems are, you know, we're no different than CanMorph in what we're facing.

[3:40:04] Voice 13: If I can just summarize, so I'm understanding you correctly, Trustee Patrick, the sort of

[3:40:13] Voice 13: the meat and potatoes of the application, you're quite happy with.

[3:40:17] Voice 13: and but what i think i'm hearing is

[3:40:20] Voice 17: that um the

[3:40:24] Voice 4: sort the sort of the language around why is why

[3:40:29] Voice 4: is the application for salt spring important um why does it

[3:40:35] Voice 15: need why does salt spring need

[3:40:37] Voice 15: attention why should salt spring be the a successful candidate that that could be

[3:40:42] Voice 15: improved or about

[3:40:43] Voice 13: embellished upon uh sort of to make the application stronger is that what i'm

[3:40:48] Voice 13: hearing yeah

[3:40:49] Trustee Patrick: just i mean so the

[3:40:50] Voice 15: the the the bones are good and just a little bit more um

[3:40:56] Voice 4: i don't

[3:40:58] Voice 14: know if there's a way to list off some of the examples of how the workforce ownership

[3:41:04] Voice 14: housing crisis is affecting our community and um you know we're seeing our community

[3:41:11] Voice 4: system collapsing because of it is there a somehow we can add put a list together add

[3:41:16] Voice 4: have that to the application i don't know sort of what makes the challenges on salt spring

[3:41:23] Voice 4: different example from other applications uh planner well

[3:41:28] Voice 6: i just i do have a thought about

[3:41:30] Voice 6: this when you're looking at in comparison to canmore um i attended a conference in 2007

[3:41:37] Voice 6: and seven i believe uh planning director canmore was showing this is about amenity

[3:41:43] Voice 6: migrations of people you know tourist destinations that become places to live um there's not a

[3:41:49] Voice 6: likely feeling here the the director had this image of um sort of uh here's here's canmore

[3:41:54] Voice 6: uh midweek it's a an image from the sewer pipe um that clean flowing sewer pipe kind of thing

[3:42:00] Voice 6: municipal employees love to see uh and then uh on a weekend after it snowed 30 centimeters on

[3:42:06] Voice 6: thursday night everybody came into canmore to get access

[3:42:09] Voice 4: to skills and the sewer line is just

[3:42:11] Voice 4: population tripled um

[3:42:14] Voice 6: you know these are these things that can worth

[3:42:16] Voice 4: been dealing with um you

[3:42:18] Voice 4: know for well over 20 years their maturity and housing investing in housing um action um is is

[3:42:26] Voice 4: much more advanced and i think it is really important because we're it's not to say that

[3:42:29] Voice 4: we don't have a challenge if we do have a challenge our challenge is made much more

[3:42:33] Voice 4: greater by the fact that i think we probably are in a less mature

[3:42:37] Voice 6: position um at the at the

[3:42:39] Voice 6: community level um in addressing housing affordability uh and taking action and i

[3:42:44] Voice 6: think that's really what these actions have been targeted at when we talk about the formation of

[3:42:48] Voice 6: a housing entity um and getting getting resources in place to actively pick up the ball and run with

[3:42:56] Voice 6: it um and i think that's really what what blender garbo has just tried to focus on a ground-up

[3:43:01] Voice 6: approach here in the last three weeks um so i i just want to make sure that that's clear um

[3:43:07] Voice 6: I think by May, Mr. Chair, I think I'd just like to add to

[3:43:10] Voice 4: Planner Garbo, this is the

[3:43:13] Voice 4: housing action plan, right?

[3:43:14] Voice 4: So as we were sort of discussing this morning, it could stand on its own outside of the CMHC

[3:43:19] Voice 4: application, but when it comes to making a case for funding, that's a separate task that

[3:43:26] Voice 4: staff will

[3:43:26] Voice 6: have to undertake.

[3:43:27] Voice 6: So is it something that, are we able to address those issues in the application itself to

[3:43:33] Voice 4: make a strong case?

[3:43:34] Voice 4: So

[3:43:35] Voice 3: I just want to explain the table, the initiatives, the 10 initiatives.

[3:43:42] Voice 3: That's what they look at.

[3:43:43] Voice 3: And when you go into the portal, you're going to have to enter a lot of the answers.

[3:43:49] Voice 3: And the question is all about how many units we've been sharing.

[3:43:53] Voice 3: So they're not even looking at how prices will be addressed.

[3:43:58] Voice 3: It's really looking at accelerating housing permits.

[3:44:02] Voice 3: So they're not asking you to pitch, you know, to sell, you know, why it is so important.

[3:44:09] Voice 3: We put it together so that it's more a formal document like other municipalities do.

[3:44:15] Voice 3: But at the end of the day, all municipalities, they go into the portal, they enter all the initiatives,

[3:44:22] Voice 3: and they have to answer each one, how many units we generate. That's all they're going to look at.

[3:44:27] Voice 3: What we could do is, I'm looking at the application, sorry, the table, under potential outcome, that's when I can do as much as I can do the pitch and say, this is going to help through solving or addressing the crisis for workforce housing, you know, allow employees to work on the island, help in hospital and all that.

[3:44:52] Voice 3: that they can do that, but I don't even know if they have a words limit.

[3:44:57] Voice 3: You know how sometimes in a table, we'll set off and say too much.

[3:45:01] Voice 3: They have hundreds, thousands of applications across Canada.

[3:45:05] Voice 3: So this lengthy document is really for us to make that look more professional.

[3:45:11] Voice 3: But the actual application is really an Excel file with typing the numbers

[3:45:18] Voice 3: and then the submission tips.

[3:45:20] Voice 3: So there's not a lot of room for us to keep trying to sell it.

[3:45:24] Voice 3: They don't have, my sense is,

[3:45:27] Voice 3: they don't have a lot of staff to read all the content of all applications.

[3:45:31] Voice 3: They just look at the numbers.

[3:45:34] Voice 3: And the goal of each initiative, they give you four blocks.

[3:45:42] Voice 3: Did it achieve, like we said, community and affordability, all that stuff.

[3:45:50] Voice 3: we have to check those boxes in the order and then we have to say how is it meeting

[3:45:56] Voice 3: those criteria that we claim so i interested in working on the border and take actually a

[3:46:03] Voice 3: long time to some of the application i've done this let's kind of explain but i understand

[3:46:10] Voice 3: you know we should still do the best and we have been trying to say as much as we could within the

[3:46:16] Voice 3: table and we certainly i took notes on some of the comments so

[3:46:21] Voice 17: hopefully hopefully we can get

[3:46:23] Voice 17: as much as we could anything else yeah i

[3:46:30] Trustee Patrick: mean i'm like i said i'm grateful but i just i think it's

[3:46:34] Trustee Patrick: it's just an area that when when we write stop reports to you know

[3:46:40] Trustee Patrick: jamie and i know what the situation is on salt spring so we get it but we know that when we're

[3:46:46] Trustee Patrick: out communicating even our staff reports or these applications are or well they're walking the floor

[3:46:53] Trustee Patrick: of ubcm it's educating other communities that because they have this false sense of salt spring

[3:47:03] Trustee Patrick: that it's this lovely place to come and buy a house and you're going to be so happy here until

[3:47:09] Trustee Patrick: you realize you can't get a plumber or a little bit of hospital or well to eat um you know that

[3:47:15] Trustee Patrick: But it's so we need to be taking every opportunity we can to explain the challenges that we face.

[3:47:23] Trustee Patrick: What does income inequality look like? You know, it's a yacht out in the harbor next to a little board or trailers.

[3:47:32] Trustee Patrick: You know, it's in your face now. It's you know, let me write. Well, they're they're just they look bad.

[3:47:38] Trustee Patrick: that. Get rid of them. Oh, my God. We've got to take the chance to make sure we are clear

[3:47:45] Trustee Patrick: on the problem that we're trying to solve because I can see Ottawa doing 300 units.

[3:47:52] Voice 14: Nothing.

[3:47:52] Voice 14: It's a drop in the bucket. Very good point. And it's very important that we get the message

[3:47:57] Voice 14: that the

[3:47:57] Voice 4: situation is very important. The immune system is collapsing. We're witnessing

[3:48:02] Voice 4: it firsthand and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

[3:48:05] Voice 17: Plain and simple. So we can

[3:48:10] Voice 17: do something with the better and um the more articulate that we can get that message out

[3:48:18] Voice 17: um the better as well okay

[3:48:26] Voice 3: um because the application quarter will close in august so we need to submit that no i think

[3:48:33] Trustee Patrick: it's just encouraging to find ways to yeah

[3:48:36] Voice 5: to

[3:48:37] Trustee Patrick: to you know um build our confidence that we're

[3:48:44] Trustee Patrick: We're telling the story and helping others because even if we don't succeed in this application, there'll be another coming.

[3:48:51] Trustee Patrick: And we're trying to not just be able to them again, you know, ignore them.

[3:48:55] Trustee Patrick: So

[3:48:56] Voice 3: I guess what staff is looking for is maybe just even through your verbage that we accept the fine in principle and then request staff to, I don't know, the verbage about maybe enhancing the application with the following, you know, what are the things that you're talking about?

[3:49:20] Voice 3: Whether it's workforce housing crisis or.

[3:49:22] Voice 3: could

[3:49:23] Voice 6: i could i suggest that the and the alternative you could approve the the plan um i think that

[3:49:29] Voice 6: everything that what i've heard from the trust generally it's publicly publicly available

[3:49:34] Voice 6: information and i think i think we both take to heart the need to bolster

[3:49:38] Voice 4: this application and

[3:49:39] Voice 4: make a solid case results thing so if we can just take that as as general direction i wouldn't want

[3:49:44] Voice 4: to have to get bogged down by a resolution

[3:49:47] Voice 4: resolution becomes reasonable all right all right well trustees we have a couple of recommendations

[3:49:55] Voice 4: here we advance these I'm happy to read

[3:49:58] Voice 17: them or a thrifty factor go ahead I move that the

[3:50:04] Voice 17: social trust committee endorses the grant application

[3:50:11] Voice 4: fund for Salt Spring Island which aligns with the update to the social

[3:50:15] Voice 4: spanish trust committee official community plan bylaw number four three four two thousand and

[3:50:21] Voice 4: eight and the south spring islands land use by law number three five five one nine nine nine

[3:50:29] Voice 4: amendment number one twenty twenty two to accelerate the creation of rural housing supply

[3:50:35] Voice 4: and the development of a complete community so moved seconded any further discussion not for me

[3:50:43] Voice 4: thank you seeing any i'll call the question all in favor

[3:50:45] Voice 16: and the motion carries and second

[3:50:50] Voice 4: to that resolution please i move that the souls for him trust committee accepts the housing action

[3:50:55] Voice 4: plan initiatives in principle for the cmhc housing accelerator fund grants application

[3:51:03] Voice 17: moved seconded further discussion no all in favor and that carries as well thank you john steves

[3:51:13] Voice 17: thank you staff winner garber and thank you very much okay so um

[3:51:25] Voice 4: this moves us on to 14.2

[3:51:29] Voice 4: filtering island watershed protection alliance on page 87

[3:51:33] Voice 13: and are you going to be sitting in

[3:51:38] Voice 13: for a planner for tino again uh mr hutt i can i'm also very grateful that uh

[3:51:48] Voice 6: I

[3:51:49] Voice 4: don't know if she was aware that Planet Cortina was on well this morning, but she

[3:51:52] Voice 4: is here today as well, and she's available.

[3:51:54] Voice 4: She's deeply familiar with this project, so I certainly am happy to let

[3:52:01] Voice 6: you know that

[3:52:01] Voice 6: she's here as well, and I made something, you know, a question that sort of, I'll probably

[3:52:07] Voice 6: likely defer to Ms. Cowan.

[3:52:09] Voice 6: both okay

[3:52:10] Voice 6: so um maybe just to start off though um this is uh a part of the water sustainability

[3:52:18] Voice 6: watershed sustainability um project that we have uh the ongoing coordination of of sopa

[3:52:25] Voice 6: this report contains both um the salt spring island watershed protection plan

[3:52:32] Voice 6: for your consideration and also brings forward the work plan previously requested

[3:52:39] Voice 6: That is in line with an adjusted budget. I will say this is a bit of a different year historically supposed to last 12 years.

[3:52:48] Voice 6: There are a number of years now simply had a revolving budget that carries forward each year, and the program runs quite simply.

[3:52:58] Voice 6: This is this change both in the in the budget and the what the work that we're looking at going forward.

[3:53:05] Voice 6: board um has this conversation um to determine um which direction LTC would like to take so that we

[3:53:14] Voice 6: can uh continue to work with Ms Cowan as well as um execute uh whatever direction he wishes to take

[3:53:21] Voice 6: um with this um

[3:53:23] Voice 4: with this funding in this this portfolio uh watershed protection plan uh is is

[3:53:29] Voice 4: provided

[3:53:30] Voice 6: here um a version of this was circulated with a group but was i believe it's um the latest

[3:53:36] Voice 4: version is simply um just graphic up initially um

[3:53:41] Trustee Patrick: the swipa only saw a one-page summary

[3:53:45] Trustee Patrick: high level of the

[3:53:47] Voice 17: editions that was all they were showing seeing some nodding

[3:53:55] Voice 17: Okay. On the screen there.

[3:54:00] Voice 17: Yeah, this is

[3:54:02] Voice 4: the recommendation is for endorsement. If it hasn't been properly

[3:54:05] Voice 4: vetted by ZipUp, there is an alternative recommendation.

[3:54:08] Voice 4: Do you prefer it to ZipUp?

[3:54:12] Voice 6: Watershed protection plan.

[3:54:16] Voice 6: Sorry, this recommendation is to simply get an idea

[3:54:20] Voice 6: that Salt Spring is generally, or LTC is generally supportive of this and then

[3:54:24] Voice 6: and take it back to SIPP up.

[3:54:27] Voice 6: And then we've got this

[3:54:28] Voice 4: recommended work plan

[3:54:33] Voice 4: proposed in the report that would generally comply

[3:54:37] Voice 4: with

[3:54:38] Voice 6: what the Watershed Protection Plan is aiming at.

[3:54:41] Voice 6: That mostly is charged at moving this function,

[3:54:48] Voice 6: working with the CRD in order to identify ways

[3:54:52] Voice 6: that it could be moved to um the crd um the ltc at the island's trust i think at this level the at

[3:54:59] Voice 6: the salt spring ltc level um

[3:55:01] Voice 4: probably has a certainly has an ongoing um interest in watershed

[3:55:06] Voice 4: sustainability

[3:55:07] Voice 6: however um the the leadership and coordination of it may be better served by

[3:55:12] Voice 6: uh a full service provider like the care capital for your illustration

[3:55:19] Voice 14: yeah um comments i will keep it short um in my view um i love the alternatives here

[3:55:27] Voice 14: we're having a super watershed production plan phase

[3:55:30] Voice 4: two um the only thing i could possibly do

[3:55:33] Voice 4: today is to say number two i'm not endorsed the super plan i feel it's a giant waste of money

[3:55:41] Voice 4: taxpayers. There's a huge degree, personally, as do many members in the community. I see it as a giant political boondoggle, which is

[3:55:52] Voice 4: hampering our efforts at addressing the dire workforce housing

[3:56:01] Voice 14: crisis that we are suffering from. And as to the soil work, I would only be able to

[3:56:08] Voice 4: support number three which is um will not proceed further with the south spanish watershed

[3:56:12] Voice 4: protection alliance um i feel that the ministry of the environment clearly is has this under control

[3:56:19] Voice 4: as well as the crd already and anything further is just again a waste of time that's my stance

[3:56:26] Voice 4: i'll leave it at that thank you for

[3:56:29] Voice 17: that question patrick um

[3:56:31] Trustee Patrick: i'll draw your attention to page 93

[3:56:34] Trustee Patrick: And when this project, the former trust committee took the action to drive to getting a strategic plan in order to really put watershed protection on a solid, solid ground.

[3:56:55] Trustee Patrick: Our goal was to have four logos on our front cover.

[3:57:00] Trustee Patrick: we were hoping to have the province who's been actively involved in the salt spring watershed

[3:57:05] Trustee Patrick: protection for years um but due to their much bigger bureaucracy than we are um we have their

[3:57:13] Trustee Patrick: cooperation but not their logo on the cover but we do have three logos on the cover of this plan

[3:57:19] Trustee Patrick: and to me this is a is marks a significant change in our historic direction it's always been either

[3:57:29] Trustee Patrick: a SWPA logo. SWPA doesn't really exist. It's a group of people, or we always had Islands Trust

[3:57:38] Trustee Patrick: logo on it. And to have the CRD and North Salt Springs logo joining the Islands Trust logo on

[3:57:45] Trustee Patrick: the cover is substantial and different and hadn't been done in a long, long time. And I think that

[3:57:52] Trustee Patrick: really shows the importance as we go forward is to working together as a group and i'm and

[3:57:58] Trustee Patrick: i'm grateful to the staff that worked with the consultant um to assemble all of the work and

[3:58:08] Trustee Patrick: get it into a plan and that's it's a it's a big deal and i'm appreciative of the work

[3:58:15] Trustee Patrick: uh that was taken and it's a proud moment to see the three logos on that cover um

[3:58:22] Trustee Patrick: Because that's what it's important. The moving forward piece, when I think we again, we're very fortunate to have the consultant of the mechanics is, is like the firm doing this work for all all entities across BC today.

[3:58:42] Trustee Patrick: We were very fortunate to get them. I think we got a lot more hours than we paid him to do.

[3:58:50] Trustee Patrick: I think he took this very personally to really help.

[3:58:55] Trustee Patrick: Again, one of the objectives that we set out was when the Water Sustainability Act came out by the province,

[3:59:02] Trustee Patrick: that the Gulf Islands, they made it clear that the Gulf Islands were a group

[3:59:09] Trustee Patrick: And that any work, any product that they considered, like Water Sustainability Act, or even objectives, that they were looking at the group of islands, not a singular island.

[3:59:22] Trustee Patrick: And so we saw this as a chance to show and demonstrate that we could collaborate and cooperate on Salt Spring,

[3:59:33] Trustee Patrick: But with a mind of work being done regionally, that what we do here can be reproduced or grown into regional programs, and that we could demonstrate that we're a community that could be worthy of working with the province on a tool like that into the future.

[3:59:54] Trustee Patrick: future because they they initially thought that when they when they when they

[4:00:00] Trustee Patrick: We're going to do a water sustainability plan.

[4:00:02] Trustee Patrick: We were the top of mind.

[4:00:05] Trustee Patrick: But then they were like, no, we don't want to work with this group of uncollaborative folks.

[4:00:10] Trustee Patrick: So they went to, I think it was Langley is where they chose to go for their first plan.

[4:00:16] Trustee Patrick: So I think we could demonstrate that we can collaborate.

[4:00:21] Trustee Patrick: We can work together.

[4:00:22] Trustee Patrick: We can be counted on to do that.

[4:00:24] Trustee Patrick: That's important.

[4:00:25] Trustee Patrick: important. The only thing, so the step one was econics did a sort of a state of the environment

[4:00:35] Trustee Patrick: and I recall quite clearly that the consultant when he first came in here he was quite smitten

[4:00:41] Trustee Patrick: he was like oh this is just like CVRD or regional district in Nanaimo there was a no-brainer that

[4:00:45] Trustee Patrick: this was going to be a regional district end game and he stopped short of putting a recommendation

[4:00:53] Trustee Patrick: in there because he found out it was a little bit messier

[4:00:57] Trustee Patrick: than Regional District of Nanaimo or Cowichan Valley,

[4:01:00] Trustee Patrick: that it wasn't quite clear.

[4:01:03] Trustee Patrick: And one of the things that set us apart

[4:01:06] Trustee Patrick: was the citizen science and involvement that we have.

[4:01:10] Trustee Patrick: I think the Water Catalog Project is an example

[4:01:13] Trustee Patrick: of something that's unique and amazingly powerful

[4:01:17] Trustee Patrick: and was counted on and used in the Weston Lake Watershed

[4:01:24] Trustee Patrick: work it provided input and data to that crd project that was funded just last year um so

[4:01:37] Trustee Patrick: the only caution while i in my you know i i absolutely see a path to the regional you know

[4:01:42] Trustee Patrick: there's like a couch and valley everything it's all regional districts that are doing this

[4:01:47] Trustee Patrick: watershed protection in fact one water work is where they're all moving to now i even see couch

[4:01:52] Trustee Patrick: ocean valley doing that um and i know crd is interested in one water um i didn't but i bring

[4:02:03] Trustee Patrick: that degree of caution back that it is going to need to be done carefully so when i look at your

[4:02:08] Trustee Patrick: choices of what do we do with the money and there is actually another 35 000 in reserve there's in

[4:02:15] Trustee Patrick: the surplus so that money could be we have to need a trust council bring it into the budget thing but

[4:02:23] Trustee Patrick: But there is another $35,000 that either could be spent next year or if there was a need or a path to need it to help this conversion from Salt Spring Islands Trust to CRD.

[4:02:37] Trustee Patrick: So like I said, I see that path of it going to the CRD, but I want to add that little bit of caution that we need to carry that ball along and work with the CRD to make sure that what's being designed and contemplated will really work.

[4:02:58] Trustee Patrick: You know, this can't be worked off the side of a desk of somebody in Victoria who isn't aware of the existing work that's been done on Salt Spring and the challenges of Salt Spring, so to speak.

[4:03:15] Trustee Patrick: So that's all I see is that, yes, I agree with the fundamental path, but I want to make sure that we're walking along.

[4:03:25] Trustee Patrick: long um and I don't and I and I don't know how that is done if the SWPA how how because when we

[4:03:36] Trustee Patrick: first when this was first talked about was we saw a year of maintaining the coordinator and working

[4:03:43] Trustee Patrick: with SWPA and and sort of doing the governance review you know was was going to be the first

[4:03:49] Trustee Patrick: task and focused for this year. It was

[4:03:52] Trustee Patrick: sort of where we were back in the last fall. We just said

[4:03:57] Trustee Patrick: we haven't talked about it or really figured out what that looks like now. So now we're halfway

[4:04:05] Trustee Patrick: into here. So I guess it's more of what are there ideas of what did you how did you see this

[4:04:14] Trustee Patrick: transition happening and what would be our involvement?

[4:04:19] Voice 4: What would be

[4:04:20] Voice 6: the involvement of

[4:04:20] Voice 6: of lpc and staff

[4:04:22] Voice 6: islands trust staff as we go into this like post transition or through this year

[4:04:28] Voice 6: through

[4:04:28] Trustee Patrick: the trend what what does the transition look like um

[4:04:32] Voice 6: well for me i guess um it seems like

[4:04:36] Voice 6: we i mean it's not exactly for our uh lpc assembly space here you're doing this now um so that's

[4:04:43] Voice 6: that's part of what i think we're looking for the this this coordinator uh to to provide support

[4:04:49] Voice 6: order on that act is a bit about the transition into a bit more of a liaising rule between the

[4:04:57] Voice 4: two governments that we sort of navigate this process is that appropriate Ms. Cowan? Well I

[4:05:05] Voice 2: think it's important to dissociate the contract position from the role of staff so just speaking

[4:05:11] Voice 2: I'm not a staff member and I'm potentially I don't know if I'm a contractor but I think the

[4:05:18] Voice 2: vision was that this transition year would be about sourcing the appropriate data uh for islands

[4:05:26] Voice 2: trust and crd to work together in the ways that is being exemplified in other areas such as the rdn

[4:05:31] Voice 2: so developing a terms for the service at the crd together developing a working relationship

[4:05:37] Voice 2: among staff and resourcing the next steps beyond that for the forum of swipa

[4:05:51] Voice 17: question yeah um you know i'll start off um i guess i'll direct this to

[4:05:57] Voice 17: to

[4:06:00] Voice 14: plan um but you know unfortunately i don't share the jubilance that trustee patrick holds

[4:06:08] Voice 14: with having three locals locals on the swipa planet and seeing this as a type of victory

[4:06:14] Voice 14: myself and many members of the community nothing we're going to make work project

[4:06:18] Voice 14: in a collaborative effort that has added to our workforce housing crisis.

[4:06:23] Voice 14: As we have just spoken about earlier in this meeting,

[4:06:27] Voice 14: the workforce housing crisis is at such a degree here,

[4:06:31] Voice 14: that's what we need to be focusing on.

[4:06:33] Voice 14: So my question, Chris, is if these alternative recommendations

[4:06:39] Voice 14: were to miraculously be passed here today,

[4:06:43] Voice 14: what would that mean to the staff as far as bringing up time

[4:06:47] Voice 14: to look at the OCP start you know really hitting

[4:06:51] Voice 17: workforce ownership housing prices head on.

[4:06:56] Voice 17: Right now we have the special

[4:06:58] Voice 6: tax requisition is applied specifically to this so throughout

[4:07:02] Voice 6: the balance of the year you know it probably wouldn't do anything in the immediate apart

[4:07:07] Voice 6: from having some extra capacity with one of our planners whose time is split between

[4:07:11] Voice 6: between this project, a couple other items,

[4:07:16] and primarily

[4:07:17] Voice 4: development planning.

[4:07:20] Voice 4: It would be capacity flow to deal with workforce.

[4:07:24] Voice 4: It would improve some development planning work.

[4:07:27] Voice 4: I can't say that it would necessarily apply

[4:07:29] Voice 4: to workforce housing.

[4:07:30] Voice 4: Right, but would free up some time.

[4:07:34] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:07:35] Voice 4: It would take up some time.

[4:07:37] Voice 4: Pretty minimal on the part of staff.

[4:07:40] Voice 4: We mostly just, I mean, historically, we have worked closely with Ms. Cowan and supported her.

[4:07:49] Voice 4: I think this year, I mean, given the focus on intergovernmental work, that, you know, there's definitely leveraging opportunities that this campaign brought along with that.

[4:08:02] Voice 14: um i you know i i had a little bit of difficulty understanding that um i only see in this more

[4:08:07] Voice 14: collaboration as a hindrance um to our ltc is we just need to do with zoning and the ocp you don't

[4:08:15] Voice 14: have to get involved in all these other issues it's just taking up more time and um you know i

[4:08:20] Voice 14: appreciate the thought that oh you know it might be nice to do more hand-wringing and then we can

[4:08:25] Voice 14: talk more talking but we already know what needs to be done so anyways i'll leave it at that that

[4:08:30] Voice 14: be my response to your answer um i asked my positions of changes that i

[4:08:35] Voice 4: would like to see

[4:08:36] Voice 4: everything spoken about um

[4:08:38] Voice 13: so i have a question and and and just for clarity i think i understand

[4:08:45] Voice 13: the intent here but i just sort of um

[4:08:48] Voice 4: understand

[4:08:50] Voice 13: fully that uh you mean this the third resolution

[4:08:53] Voice 13: here is talking about facilitating the transition of the SWPA to the CRD. So is the thought then

[4:09:04] Voice 13: that the CRD

[4:09:06] Voice 4: would be basically doing, taking over from Islands Trust, what we have been doing

[4:09:20] Voice 13: both in the past and then uh i guess the second part of that would be uh in terms of funding that

[4:09:29] Voice 13: uh the crd would be responsible

[4:09:30] Voice 4: for um securing for the funding for the uh the the work of swipa

[4:09:36] Voice 4: in the future is that

[4:09:38] Voice 6: basically accurate the not primarily uh the the south spring the watershed

[4:09:44] Voice 6: protection plan that you have before you actually outlines uh a quick a quick perusal of it shows

[4:09:48] Voice 6: is that the lion's share of it actually lies um you know primarily with the crd um it outlines

[4:09:55] Voice 6: actions over the next 10 years that each level uh each entity can take um so uh crd definitely

[4:10:02] Voice 6: um you know is a big part of this plan in terms of the work that is needed over the next 10 years

[4:10:09] Voice 6: um second place is probably north salt spring waterworks districts island trust is is again

[4:10:13] Voice 6: Again, it really does show up as being more of an important

[4:10:17] Voice 6: but somewhat background player

[4:10:19] Voice 4: in the matter of watershed sustainability.

[4:10:22] Voice 4: So that's where I think the focus of

[4:10:26] Voice 6: moving it over.

[4:10:28] Voice 6: However, each entity does need to, in order to succeed,

[4:10:34] Voice 6: each entity does need to come to the table,

[4:10:36] Voice 6: not just with person power, but with financial power.

[4:10:40] Voice 6: So it would be an ongoing request for funding over the next 10 years to fund

[4:10:46] Voice 4: certain projects throughout.

[4:10:51] Voice 4: If I can, I just want to do a quick follow up.

[4:10:57] Voice 4: So there's been, SWPPP has been funded through Islands Trust through special tax requisitions for these past several years.

[4:11:06] Voice 13: So

[4:11:07] Voice 4: is it proposed then that there would be additional special tax requisitions?

[4:11:13] Voice 4: to fund the island's trust portion i

[4:11:19] Voice 6: i feel that um trust and patrick may uh wish to

[4:11:24] Voice 6: it's at your

[4:11:25] Voice 13: discretion okay trust me patrick i'm turning to answer well

[4:11:29] Trustee Patrick: a key aspect of this

[4:11:32] Trustee Patrick: plan was it incorporated the trust council freshwater strategic plan of islands trust

[4:11:39] Trustee Patrick: so if you look at the initiatives that are in here and you read our freshwater oh my goodness

[4:11:45] Trustee Patrick: They connect. Can you imagine that? We tried to demonstrate what a mature local trust committee should behave in a working inter-jurisdictionally with matters that affect our decision making and also from the federation to the local trust committee level.

[4:12:06] Trustee Patrick: level. So most of the, if you look at the work that's here, while it has big dollar values next

[4:12:11] Trustee Patrick: to it, it's the work that's already being planned and budgeted across all of the islands and being

[4:12:17] Trustee Patrick: done as a federal work. The mapping and all the activities that are being done are now

[4:12:22] Trustee Patrick: federation level work. So this is really about building and moving on from, you know, independence

[4:12:29] Trustee Patrick: And the Islands Trust, this was two, three terms ago, three terms ago,

[4:12:35] Trustee Patrick: that Islands Trust stepped into a void to kick off SWIPA.

[4:12:41] Trustee Patrick: So it did the right thing.

[4:12:44] Trustee Patrick: It has taken a long time to mature.

[4:12:46] Trustee Patrick: We gave it, we kicked it into maturity last term.

[4:12:50] Voice 14: Point of order.

[4:12:51] Voice 14: That's just an opinion.

[4:12:52] Voice 14: We did the right thing.

[4:12:53] Voice 14: That's actually, that's not

[4:12:55] Voice 13: a point of order.

[4:12:56] Voice 13: You've been just waiting and you can, that's it.

[4:12:59] Voice 13: your opinion so we'll wait i'll call on

[4:13:01] Voice 4: you in a minute but i'll let trustee patrick continue

[4:13:04] Voice 4: anyway

[4:13:05] Trustee Patrick: so what you're seeing is the result of of trying to pull together a lot of things and set

[4:13:11] Trustee Patrick: us into a path and um and bring us into like what cowichan valley and um regional district

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: in a nine model and there's others in the province um so it brings us up to a higher league okay i

[4:13:27] Trustee Patrick: guess what i

[4:13:27] Voice 13: was just trying to understand better is what uh facilitating

[4:13:33] Voice 15: the transition

[4:13:34] Voice 13: of swipa

[4:13:35] Voice 13: to the

[4:13:36] Voice 4: crd means for sort of from operational standpoint and from a financial standpoint that's

[4:13:42] Voice 4: what i was trying to get clarity on because well

[4:13:45] Trustee Patrick: we have it's

[4:13:46] Voice 15: not well spelled out in the

[4:13:47] Voice 15: resolution and i'm i'm sure that goes more in depth in the plan but uh well

[4:13:52] Trustee Patrick: there was the

[4:13:53] Trustee Patrick: a $43,500 that's funded

[4:13:55] Trustee Patrick: in this tax year

[4:13:56] Voice 15: and then there

[4:13:57] Trustee Patrick: is a $35,000 in surplus

[4:13:59] Trustee Patrick: that could either facilitate

[4:14:00] Trustee Patrick: one more year.

[4:14:02] Voice 4: Which is why we

[4:14:03] Voice 4: brought the request down to

[4:14:05] Voice 4: $43,000. I recall that.

[4:14:06] Voice 4: But

[4:14:07] Trustee Patrick: there is a reserve that either

[4:14:09] Trustee Patrick: could be called on this year but would need

[4:14:11] Trustee Patrick: an action from Trust Council to

[4:14:12] Trustee Patrick: get access to that money

[4:14:14] Trustee Patrick: or it could be drawn next

[4:14:17] Trustee Patrick: year without

[4:14:18] Trustee Patrick: a special tax reposition.

[4:14:21] Voice 13: I was just trying to get a clear

[4:14:23] Voice 13: a grip on what the transition of SWPPP into the CRD means well that's that's what this work out

[4:14:32] Voice 13: that's a good question like is is the is the vision and of course I understand that we're not

[4:14:38] Voice 13: we haven't done the transition but is the vision that essentially that the CRD will be the lead

[4:14:44] Voice 13: on this work and and that the rule of violence trust will be um you know assistive but not

[4:14:53] Voice 13: yeah not the lead like that's what i'm trying to understand what that transition means the other is

[4:14:59] Trustee Patrick: they have an existing service that they've been using so this is not like they you know they they

[4:15:05] Trustee Patrick: may decide in the future to create a watershed protective service like crd and regional district

[4:15:11] Trustee Patrick: and i will have um but they have an existing service that at least the coordination activity

[4:15:17] Trustee Patrick: activity could have been to

[4:15:17] Voice 4: and I guess yeah I mean the role of staff important you know it likely

[4:15:24] Voice 4: is um like many groups um that we work with um usually a staff liaison um to to attend and

[4:15:34] Voice 4: represent the organization um and then uh you know as as identified needs um you know there

[4:15:42] Voice 4: are appropriate kind of topics we would report back to lpc and suggest a business case to be

[4:15:49] Voice 4: prepared okay yeah i didn't

[4:15:52] Voice 4: see projects rather than

[4:15:53] Voice 13: yeah i was just wanting to understand better

[4:15:56] Voice 13: that essentially the transition means shifting um more of the responsibility of burden to the crd

[4:16:06] Voice 13: but not not removal of islands trust but shifting the the balance of the the workload and the

[4:16:14] Voice 13: responsibility to the crd is

[4:16:15] Voice 4: just so i understand what that transition means um thank you thank

[4:16:21] Voice 14: you

[4:16:22] Voice 14: and sorry for the misuse of the point border um but i guess for the record i'd like to state um

[4:16:28] Voice 14: you know when i've heard trustee patrick say that back in 2010 february or was that we did

[4:16:33] Voice 14: the right thing i'll just for my opinion there as well as many others in the community that we

[4:16:37] Voice 14: actually did the wrong thing and what we've seen since then is close to a million dollars

[4:16:41] Voice 14: of tax um payers harder money go towards an initiative that really what do we have at this

[4:16:47] Voice 14: point three locals on a plan i'm certain there's a big uh victory at this point is what i'm hearing

[4:16:54] Voice 14: um and what i have do you understand though is that this has spent considerable money

[4:16:59] Voice 14: and time whilst our workforce housing crisis has been building and building it continues to build

[4:17:05] Voice 14: at a fever pitch and anything that stems from this is a direct hindrance into or on onto

[4:17:14] Voice 14: or to maybe is the proper way to put it a direct hindrance to initiatives that will address our

[4:17:21] Voice 14: workforce housing crisis and for what reason we already have the ministry of environment that we

[4:17:26] Voice 14: need to deal with um if there's more than one dwelling put onto a property you need to prove

[4:17:31] Voice 14: water it's the ministry of environment they have a hydrologist and this all has to go through um

[4:17:36] Voice 14: you know very strict regulations there the crd also already is involved with one and they check

[4:17:43] Voice 14: water um uh um what's the word um condition um or the you know the fetal count or whatever it

[4:17:52] Voice 14: the water quality um conditions on all the lakes and as well as in the harbors we've just heard

[4:17:57] Voice 17: um

[4:18:00] Voice 17: further um you know i lost my train of thought but um

[4:18:11] Voice 14: i guess i'll leave it at that for now um

[4:18:16] Voice 14: clearly we don't need to be involved in this um again i support

[4:18:20] Voice 17: um these alternative

[4:18:21] Voice 17: of motions thank you thank you trustee patrick i just

[4:18:27] Trustee Patrick: this i this is not taking away from

[4:18:34] Trustee Patrick: workforce housing creating and supporting uh sustainable watersheds into the future is about

[4:18:41] Trustee Patrick: is about supporting our um our housing and our ability to expand any housing is on on the value

[4:18:50] Trustee Patrick: you in the quality of the water that we have on the island so it is a multi-jurisdictional mess

[4:18:56] Trustee Patrick: you haven't probably heard my quote i said i wanted to do a t-shirt line that said water is

[4:19:02] Trustee Patrick: messy it is very complicated it's uh i can't believe how many organizations have their fingers

[4:19:08] Trustee Patrick: in the pot including us on um elements of of managing uh water on the island so that i was

[4:19:17] Trustee Patrick: i was going to make a motion so

[4:19:19] Voice 14: i agree it is a mess and we have added to the mess by getting

[4:19:24] Voice 14: involved in 2010 we didn't need to put sticker noses in there and plenty of people in the

[4:19:29] Voice 14: community feel exactly that um to add to it which i've you know i lost my train of thought around

[4:19:34] Voice 14: my of my earlier comments we already have watersheds and protected areas and riparian

[4:19:40] Voice 14: and develop permit areas on and on it goes the water sheds are already protected so anything

[4:19:47] Voice 14: further completely in my mind is directly against workforce ownership housing and our housing

[4:19:54] Voice 14: in general period and to look at it in any other way to me is it is devious

[4:20:01] Voice 17: this is how i would see it hey thank you for that um

[4:20:07] Voice 17: um I'm

[4:20:09] Trustee Patrick: going to make a motion although I do object to the term devious because that's uh

[4:20:14] Trustee Patrick: that's how

[4:20:15] Voice 14: I see it that's a you know I'm

[4:20:16] Voice 14: paraphrasing one thing that is what it is

[4:20:18] Voice 14: that's how I see it all

[4:20:19] Trustee Patrick: right um I move that the Salt Spring Island local trust committee

[4:20:22] Trustee Patrick: endorsed Salt Spring Island watershed protection plan phase two per attachment one of the staff

[4:20:28] Trustee Patrick: staff report dated July 13th 2023. I'll

[4:20:33] Voice 14: second that uh discussion

[4:20:35] Voice 14: I

[4:20:36] Voice 4: would just say no um I do

[4:20:37] Voice 4: not um support that any way shape or form thank you Mr chairman trustee Patrick I

[4:20:45] Trustee Patrick: will just repeat

[4:20:46] Trustee Patrick: that I'm grateful for the work that the um the the staff and uh I know our coordinator uh Shannon

[4:20:53] Trustee Patrick: and worked hard with the consultant and everyone to pull this together and i'm really grateful for

[4:20:59] Trustee Patrick: the the work that was done and um thank you for three out of four logos i think we uh can say

[4:21:06] Trustee Patrick: that we got pretty close um

[4:21:09] Voice 14: well with that um comment i would love to add um again this has

[4:21:13] Voice 14: been a giant make work project and lots of people have been employed but to what we've got three

[4:21:18] Voice 14: levels it doesn't make any sense all

[4:21:22] Voice 4: right then uh

[4:21:22] Voice 13: if there's no further discussion i'll call the

[4:21:24] Voice 13: question all in favor any opposed uh would you like your oppose please if you note it okay thank

[4:21:31] Voice 13: you uh

[4:21:32] Trustee Patrick: i'll do the second motion here i move that the salt spring and local trust committee refer

[4:21:37] Trustee Patrick: the draft salt spring island water protection alliance 2023-24 work plan um now before i carry

[4:21:45] Trustee Patrick: on sorry i'm going to just ask a question so if we're going to send it to are we is it the member

[4:21:53] Trustee Patrick: organizations of swipa or all it's all the members of swipa um and is does the budget that we are i

[4:22:01] Trustee Patrick: guess the next bullet that we're going to talk about does that account for is swipping are they

[4:22:06] Trustee Patrick: going to individually review it and report back or will there be meeting or you know has that been

[4:22:10] Trustee Patrick: thought out i

[4:22:14] Voice 4: would i would i would

[4:22:16] Voice 17: likely just work with ms allen on the best approach to advance

[4:22:19] Voice 17: that okay so i'll go

[4:22:26] Trustee Patrick: back to that then just that's um so that the salt spring island local trust may

[4:22:30] Trustee Patrick: refer the draft salt spring island watershed protection alliance 2023-24 work plan to swap

[4:22:35] Trustee Patrick: up for review for attachment to the stack report dated july 13th 2023

[4:22:40] Voice 17: i'll second that

[4:22:43] Voice 4: um any

[4:22:44] Voice 17: discussion i think my thoughts are pretty clear

[4:22:48] Voice 4: okay thank you for that uh i'll call the

[4:22:51] Voice 4: question all in favor any opposed in your opposition please

[4:22:56] Voice 17: mr chair okay

[4:22:59] Trustee Patrick: and um i move

[4:23:03] Trustee Patrick: that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to use the special tax requisition

[4:23:08] Trustee Patrick: amount of 43 500 to work with the capital regional district to facilitate the transition of salt

[4:23:13] Trustee Patrick: spring island watershed protection alliance crd so

[4:23:18] Voice 14: moved i will second that discussion yes please

[4:23:21] Voice 14: i see this as a very devious move and more tree hungry that will completely hinder any workforce

[4:23:28] Voice 14: ownership housing in the future and i am actually astonished but not at the same time this just

[4:23:34] Voice 14: reinforces many of my views that have been quite strong within the community in the last four years

[4:23:40] Voice 14: especially since the start of the coastal bubbles for an associated ecosystems

[4:23:43] Voice 17: project so thank you

[4:23:49] Voice 17: right uh trust patrick um

[4:23:51] Trustee Patrick: i i don't think we need a separate motion at this time but i just

[4:23:55] Trustee Patrick: wanted to note that there is the reserve money of the 35 000 and i think as as as the work begins

[4:24:04] Trustee Patrick: with with the crd to take form as to what the transition looks like that don't forget that

[4:24:10] Trustee Patrick: that reserve money exists of either could be a second year um or if there's a need to draw for

[4:24:17] Trustee Patrick: this year we'd have work to do uh to get it to through trust council but it does exist so i just

[4:24:22] Trustee Patrick: want to remind people that that's there okay

[4:24:26] Voice 17: anything further all right i'll

[4:24:29] Voice 4: call the question

[4:24:29] Voice 4: all in favor any

[4:24:32] Voice 17: opposed and would you like your opposition yes please if we have not motion carries

[4:24:40] Voice 17: Okay, then I'm just going to have a favorite so okay.

[4:24:49] Voice 16: So I believe that

[4:24:53] Voice 15: we we've already kept through 15 and 16.

[4:24:56] Voice 15: We have no closed meeting. I believe that

[4:25:00] Voice 4: brings us to section 18.

[4:25:03] Voice 4: the next regular meeting of the salt spring island local trust meeting is scheduled for 9 30 a.m

[4:25:10] Voice 4: september 14th right here at 64 learning hub at 122 rainbow road on salt spring island and with

[4:25:19] Voice 4: that i'm happy to call for adjournment all

[4:25:24] Voice 5: right thank you

[4:25:25] Voice 4: thank you everyone