Islands Trust Conservancy Board regular meeting, July 20, 2023

[0:00:16] Voice 6: Good

[0:00:16] Voice 3: morning, everyone. Another hot day in Coast Salish Territory.

[0:00:23] Voice 14: And my name is Peter Luck. I'm elected on Venus Island, and that's in Lacks and Penelope Territory, more specifically.

[0:00:30] Voice 14: And of course, we're here in the name territory, and it's a pleasure every day to wake up in

[0:00:37] Voice 14: this part of the world and recognize the long history of the people that have lived in this

[0:00:45] Voice 14: area since 2001.

[0:00:47] Voice 14: I'm grateful to have the opportunity to learn and to hear.

[0:00:52] Voice 14: So this is the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee for July 20.

[0:00:57] Voice 14: to you and to my uh left far left

[0:01:00] Voice 6: is uh toby elliott and uh susan yanks thank you chair

[0:01:08] Voice 15: luckham i also would like to acknowledge that we are on kosney coast salish territory that has been

[0:01:15] Voice 15: home to the name of first nations for thousands of years this place of a complex from an ancient

[0:01:22] Voice 15: history and i am committed to learning about it i have promised to be a witness at all these

[0:01:30] Voice 15: meetings to reconciliation and I intend to do that. I think often about my obligations to future

[0:01:37] Voice 15: generations and about being a better ancestor. I welcome opportunities where we may learn to

[0:01:46] Voice 15: tread less heavily on them and

[0:01:48] Voice 3: the surrounding waters of the Salish Sea and to care for this

[0:01:52] Voice 3: home as if we truly belong here.

[0:01:57] Voice 6: Very good, thank you.

[0:01:59] Voice 14: Online I'd like to acknowledge Vanessa Craig,

[0:02:02] Voice 14: regional director is also joining us today to make a would you like to make a remark uh

[0:02:10] Voice 11: just uh

[0:02:11] Voice 11: thank you for inviting uh me to participate in the meeting and apologies for not being able to

[0:02:17] Voice 11: attend in person and i'm um still within so name of traditional territory but uh not on the

[0:02:23] Voice 11: beautiful island of gabriola at the moment very

[0:02:26] Voice 14: good well thank

[0:02:27] Voice 11: you very much

[0:02:27] Voice 14: for joining us

[0:02:28] Voice 14: Director Craig. So to my right, I've got Lisa Millard. Thank you, Millard, our recorder. Thank

[0:02:38] Voice 14: you for the work that you do for us. And Rene Jumarat, our Regional Planning Manager. Thank

[0:02:43] Voice 14: you, Rene. And we have Nerissa Chadwick, the Island Planner from the Victoria office.

[0:02:48] Voice 14: Yeah. And we also have Taryn Plater.

[0:02:53] Voice 14: Yeah, I didn't catch the name. Taryn Plater.

[0:02:55] Voice 3: Sarah

[0:02:55] Voice 14: Plainhart, thank you for joining us, our co-op student.

[0:02:59] Voice 14: And we'll be joined by a variety of staff throughout the meeting.

[0:03:02] Voice 14: It's a full agenda today.

[0:03:05] Voice 14: And certainly we will do our best to get through this in a precise and thoughtful way.

[0:03:15] Voice 14: So let us look at the agenda for a moment.

[0:03:19] Voice 14: I'll just ask if there's any late items that we need to add here that are of an urgent nature.

[0:03:25] Voice 14: I'll just turn to staff and ask, I'll turn to trustees, there'll be Elliot.

[0:03:29] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:03:30] Voice 3: If we could add an item on your viewing anchorages, capillaries, we have more correspondence regarding

[0:03:37] Voice 3: Dengue Bay, and this is an issue and perhaps, yeah, just a future inclusion or something.

[0:03:47] Voice 6: So I'll put Dengue Bay anchorages.

[0:03:49] Voice 3: Sure.

[0:03:49] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:03:50] Voice 3: And water zones.

[0:03:52] Voice 3: And which?

[0:03:53] Voice 3: Water zones.

[0:03:53] Voice 3: yeah okay and um i know there's been conversations back and forth and perhaps you have a motion

[0:04:02] Voice 3: perfect awesome anything else

[0:04:06] Voice 6: and renee

[0:04:08] Voice 3: through the chair um at 8.2 yes

[0:04:14] Voice 3: temperatures from the 23.1 so that when um

[0:04:27] Voice 3: okay

[0:04:28] Voice 14: well i don't just see why we wouldn't have any objections to that agenda and so presumably

[0:04:35] Voice 14: that will be coming back to us um because i think that that's to uh provide a permit for

[0:04:40] Voice 14: a new steps ongoing is it not i'll

[0:04:43] Voice 3: get some clarification okay so presumably that'll be

[0:04:46] Voice 14: coming closer to future meetings um is there anything else no so then let's adopt the agenda

[0:04:53] Voice 14: by general consent as amended and we'll begin uh with reports and uh let's start with uh uh trustee

[0:05:01] Voice 14: reports and um why don't i start with toby elliott at the end thank

[0:05:06] Voice 3: you um it has been busy six weeks

[0:05:09] Voice 3: however long it has been um i'm a member of the regional planning uh committee um which we are

[0:05:17] Voice 3: working group a part of the working group on um housing and so we had a meeting early last month

[0:05:24] Voice 3: i believe to look at the draft housing toolkit that's um been developed by staff and the auxiliary

[0:05:30] Voice 3: planner that the islands trust was able to secure that's just funding dedicated last year and it's

[0:05:37] Voice 3: It's a really ambitious and strong document that LTCs can draw from to inform their community planning around OCPs policies and changes to really develop more diverse housing options.

[0:05:56] Voice 3: So I think we'll have a meeting next week and that will be presented to the rest of the regional planning committee.

[0:06:07] Voice 3: I'm sure everybody knows we had Trust Council here on Gabriola two weeks ago.

[0:06:12] Voice 3: There's two pretty fulsome reports in the Sounder, so I won't go over that again.

[0:06:17] Voice 3: Both Susan and I gave written reports.

[0:06:21] Voice 3: I was super pleased with the panel presentation or the presentation on ReconciliAction.

[0:06:27] Voice 3: local governments sort of we're all in this gray area as the province adopts an interim

[0:06:35] Voice 3: reconciliation plan to align with the declaration act and so there's a lot of changes that's

[0:06:43] Voice 3: really challenging times for local governments so i was really pleased to hear lisa both

[0:06:50] Voice 3: Paul Felsing, who's the main community engagement, I guess, lead for the City of Nanaimo, talk

[0:06:58] Voice 3: about the specific events that Nanaimo has put together with Sinai Mok First Nation that

[0:07:06] Voice 3: were really directed by the nation, the programming, the way everything was done, and how the city

[0:07:13] Voice 3: supported the vision of Sinai Mok First Nation.

[0:07:16] Voice 3: and so it was just so wonderful to have some leading examples right in our neighboring city

[0:07:23] Voice 3: so that was a highlight for me um i'm still a member of the culturally committed community

[0:07:30] Voice 3: and so that's a group of um some mentorship group that meets twice a month with post-salish

[0:07:35] Voice 3: uh mentors and so we ask questions about um protocols and community engagement and different

[0:07:44] Voice 3: different land use issues is really, really informative, and its emphasis on cultural

[0:07:49] Voice 3: safety is really translatable to every single area of our lives right now, so that's always

[0:07:57] Voice 3: a highlight.

[0:07:58] Voice 3: Participated in the Climate Cafe 12-12-12 event on housing alternatives with a view

[0:08:05] Voice 3: of how can we do housing, build houses that are less energy intensive, or produce less

[0:08:11] Voice 3: CHG missions. I keep holding regular office hours. People, it's really really great at the surf club

[0:08:19] Voice 3: which I was just there yesterday. Four to six on Tuesdays or Wednesdays they're advertising the

[0:08:25] Voice 3: sound. I really would love it if people come down and just have a conversation but basically I'll

[0:08:30] Voice 3: just pigeonhole people that are there or talk to the bartenders who are full of information about

[0:08:34] Voice 3: the community. So that's kind of the watering hole and everybody goes there so that's where I'm holding

[0:08:39] Voice 3: my office hours for the summer and of course thursdays alternating thursdays of the island's

[0:08:44] Voice 3: trust offices so a little bit more private place there um and then yesterday was it yesterday no

[0:08:51] Voice 3: tuesday was the island's trust conservancy meeting you probably got more information on that

[0:08:58] Voice 3: uh it was a very short meeting because it was followed by our regular annual liaison meeting

[0:09:03] Voice 3: with the executive committee so i'm on both of those bodies and it was really interesting to

[0:09:08] Voice 3: talk about the issues we had broccoli with in common we didn't get to the part of the

[0:09:14] Voice 3: agenda to do with first nations we're all needing to adjust how we refer everything

[0:09:23] Voice 3: that comes through the islands trust family conservancy to nations and so i think there's

[0:09:28] Voice 3: going to be a follow-up just that as it opens and on a personal note on monday oh it's been

[0:09:35] Voice 3: a busy week um i was in the ladysmith uh filming the mast raising for the dorothy the oldest sailboat

[0:09:43] Voice 3: in canada the first time she can now be called sailing vessel dorothy is probably 30 years since

[0:09:52] Voice 3: she's last had sails up so that was significant so i'm filming that documentary a little bit of

[0:09:58] Voice 3: of local history there.

[0:10:00] Voice 3: I

[0:10:00] Voice 15: have a question Debbie.

[0:10:01] Voice 3: Is sailing vessel like motor vessels?

[0:10:04] Voice 3: So we have to have MV go FV?

[0:10:06] Voice 3: Oh, exactly.

[0:10:07] Voice 3: You've got that little bit of nautical knowledge.

[0:10:10] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:10:11] Voice 3: Nice.

[0:10:11] Voice 3: So that's about it for me.

[0:10:14] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:10:17] Voice 6: Susan H.

[0:10:17] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:10:18] Voice 6: So

[0:10:18] Voice 3: after

[0:10:20] Voice 15: the last local trust committee meeting,

[0:10:22] Voice 15: I had a request from a member of the public

[0:10:24] Voice 15: public to have print copies of the Gabriola official community plan and the land use bylaw

[0:10:31] Voice 15: available. So I talked to staff about that. Where's the best place to make it available? And

[0:10:37] Voice 15: we decided on the library. Library has more opening hours than the trust office. They've

[0:10:42] Voice 15: always been in the library ever since I was a reference librarian and had them in there at that

[0:10:47] Voice 15: that time so there thanks to the staff there are two updated copies in binders in the reference

[0:10:54] Voice 15: on the reference shelf at the public library for people to consult and they can make photocopies

[0:11:01] Voice 15: if they need to at a reduced rate but thank you to the staff for that really appreciate that

[0:11:08] Voice 15: um another quick update on the

[0:11:13] Voice 3: this has just been such a big deal for gabriela over the last

[0:11:17] Voice 3: I don't know, a dozen years or so, Frater Anchorages.

[0:11:21] Voice 3: We all know about Frater Anchorages,

[0:11:23] Voice 3: and we are still mourning the loss

[0:11:26] Voice 15: of Chris Straw,

[0:11:27] Voice 15: who was our best friend.

[0:11:29] Voice 15: So in his honor, I continue to do all the research I can on this

[0:11:34] Voice 15: and was very pleased to get the announcement from Claire Frater,

[0:11:40] Voice 15: Director of Custodian Services,

[0:11:43] Voice 15: from the Vancouver Fraser Court Authority,

[0:11:45] Voice 15: which, interestingly, although it covers all the 33 locations around Vancouver Island and the southern Gulf Islands,

[0:11:54] Voice 15: does not actually cover the anchorages that we see out here as we transit from Gabriel to Nanaimo, because that is a different port authority.

[0:12:03] Voice 15: However, so just briefly, what it means is they have a six month pilot

[0:12:08] Voice 15: And they are going to trial prioritizing arrival and departure of freighters between 7 a.m. and 11 p.m. to reduce the noise disruptions from the ships lowering their anchors at night.

[0:12:25] Voice 15: And it's really noisy.

[0:12:27] Voice 15: I don't know if it will also reduce the light disruptions.

[0:12:30] Voice 15: I just really don't know.

[0:12:32] Voice 15: So based on 2022 numbers, that would mean more than 75 nighttime arrivals and departures

[0:12:39] Voice 15: in the Salish Sea will be avoided during the six-month trial period.

[0:12:45] Voice 15: Now, talking to Director of Trust Area Services, she said to me that because these are all

[0:12:52] Voice 15: ships that are piloted in by local pilot boats, it is quite likely that the ones coming

[0:13:00] Voice 15: coming in north of Gabriola will also follow this protocol which we can only hope so I was getting

[0:13:08] Voice 15: all excited about this until I realized oh yeah right they stopped at the south end of Gabriola

[0:13:12] Voice 15: with the Trincomalee we just you

[0:13:16] Voice 3: know we can

[0:13:17] Voice 15: only hope we so Toby and I did attend a very

[0:13:21] Voice 15: full agenda Islands Trust Conservancy meeting on Tuesday we had our regular meeting we had our

[0:13:27] Voice 15: meeting with the executive and then we had a long in-cam meeting as well we welcomed um trustee

[0:13:34] Voice 15: lisa gobro to the islands trust conservancy board uh lisa is from galliano she has a deep knowledge

[0:13:43] Voice 15: of a first nations relationship from where she lives and i really appreciate i really appreciate

[0:13:52] Voice 15: her the questions she asks and just her camaraderie around council so i'm really happy she's on

[0:14:00] Voice 15: the honest trust conservancy board we said goodbye to linda adams who's been with the

[0:14:05] Voice 15: conservancy for five years linda has 40 odd years of island's trust deep knowledge sorry to see her

[0:14:14] Voice 15: go um risa smith who also lives on galliano and has been the vice chair of trust conservancy

[0:14:22] Voice 15: She will be stepping into the chair position for the time being.

[0:14:27] Voice 15: I have known Risa for almost 50 years because we used to work at the Institute of Animal Resource Ecology at UBC together as we were doing our degrees.

[0:14:38] Voice 15: Risa works for the International Union of Conservation of Nature.

[0:14:42] Voice 15: So she's a great board member.

[0:14:43] Voice 15: We will soon be welcoming Charles Kahn from Salt Spring as an appointed Conservancy board member.

[0:14:49] Voice 15: Remember, he's well-known for his incredible books on hiking the Gulf Islands, and we recently

[0:14:56] Voice 3: welcomed Ken Thomas from the Penelope Nation.

[0:14:58] Voice 3: Also, that was a real treat.

[0:15:03] Voice 3: Let's see.

[0:15:05] Voice 3: That's about all I want to say about it.

[0:15:07] Voice 3: It was a good meeting, and I'm really happy with our new board members on the Islands

[0:15:12] Voice 3: Trans-Concerned Sea.

[0:15:13] Voice 15: And that is it for my trustee report.

[0:15:17] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:15:18] Voice 14: Okay, thank you.

[0:15:18] Voice 14: um so from the uh the chair um not a lot of direct activity on um gabriola here but i will mention

[0:15:28] Voice 14: that um i did write to uh nav canada regarding the airplanes flying over the most end of the

[0:15:35] Voice 14: island here and we did get a response back which needs further thought to respond

[0:15:42] Voice 14: respond, once again, back to NAV Canada, but at least we got a response this time.

[0:15:49] Voice 14: Last time we were noticed, it appears. But I'll just note that, well, maybe I'll just sort of

[0:15:57] Voice 14: segue into other events, and I'll come back to this one. But of course, Trust Council was a haven

[0:16:03] Voice 14: here last month now, the end of last month. And it was wonderful to be in your community and have a

[0:16:12] Voice 14: visit and uh just simply be in this place and and experience the uh the environment here however

[0:16:20] Voice 14: what was disappointing being at the haven is of course we're in proximity to the flight path

[0:16:25] Voice 14: and i was struck by a previous conversation in the previous few days before council with a couple of

[0:16:32] Voice 14: community members um with respect to how the aircraft are deviating from the flight path

[0:16:37] Voice 14: And indeed, flying over the north end of the island at fairly low altitudes. And I must say that I found it interrupting and was frequent. And so, indeed, a follow-up to NAV Canada at a minimum would be to point this out and for them to ensure that, again, at a minimum, that those aircraft stick to the flight path, which is some considerable distance off the north end.

[0:17:03] Voice 14: and sure might save fluke fuel i understand that however if i lived on that point i too would be

[0:17:10] Voice 14: disturbed but and of course the wildlife is not disturbed and there's no doubt that that

[0:17:15] Voice 14: beautiful bay there is a is a is a habitat area for uh waterfowl and um

[0:17:21] Voice 14: so indeed i think it's

[0:17:23] Voice 14: very disruptive but we'll continue to pursue that so uh yeah so that was council back at the end of

[0:17:30] Voice 14: June. I won't

[0:17:32] Voice 14: reiterate any of the other things

[0:17:34] Voice 14: that other trustees have already mentioned, but

[0:17:36] Voice 14: Indie Health Area Services was earlier in the

[0:17:38] Voice 14: week, a liaison

[0:17:40] Voice 14: meeting with the

[0:17:42] Voice 14: Executive Committee, and

[0:17:44] Voice 14: the issues that were raised

[0:17:45] Voice 14: there. Thank you. Very lucky you have two members

[0:17:48] Voice 14: of this LTC sit on the

[0:17:50] Voice 14: Conservancy. And

[0:17:51] Voice 14: the two issues that were raised there was

[0:17:53] Voice 14: funding, not only for the

[0:17:56] Voice 14: Alliance Trust, but for the Conservancy.

[0:17:58] Voice 14: And

[0:17:59] Voice 14: and working together more collaboratively

[0:18:02] Voice 14: and how that might weave into the governance review work

[0:18:08] Voice 14: that we're doing to advance the work of the Conservancy.

[0:18:11] Voice 14: And every day, grateful for the work of the Conservancy.

[0:18:14] Voice 14: We have a nice little announcement in today's package

[0:18:16] Voice 14: about another designated area on the Skeevy Island.

[0:18:20] Voice 14: And I'll leave that up to later on in the agenda.

[0:18:27] Voice 14: So that's it for me.

[0:18:28] Voice 14: a pleasure for me to be here on um on gabriel you know in the 18 years i've been on the island's

[0:18:35] Voice 14: trust i've had the privilege of chairing most of the islands and i have not shared gabriel and so

[0:18:40] Voice 14: this is really great to be here to learn about this community and i want to acknowledge past

[0:18:45] Voice 14: trustee um uh case longer ice isn't audience today so thank you case it's hard with hearing

[0:18:52] Voice 14: can you hear me thank you case so

[0:18:55] Voice 15: thank you for being so i'm

[0:19:01] Voice 14: now going to turn to electoral area

[0:19:03] Voice 14: director uh vanessa uh craig who's joined us online

[0:19:08] Voice 14: vanessa over to you for your report

[0:19:09] Voice 14: thank

[0:19:11] Voice 11: you and again um thank you for inviting me i did provide a late written report um with a few

[0:19:20] Voice 11: items that I thought, some of them aren't specific to Gabriola or Maja DeCourcy, but I thought might

[0:19:26] Voice 11: be of interest to the trustees because it's, I think, of interest to everyone with the climate

[0:19:32] Voice 11: change and some of the issues that we're facing. But a couple of things that I'd really like to

[0:19:38] Voice 11: highlight is the two significant initiatives we're undertaking in Area B for the next few months,

[0:19:45] Voice 11: one of which is the Parks and Trails and Recreation Master Plan.

[0:19:50] Voice 11: So it's a Parks and Trails and Recreation Master Plan for Gabriola

[0:19:54] Voice 11: and then Parks and Trails for DeCourcy and Mudge

[0:19:57] Voice 11: because we don't provide recreation services for those communities.

[0:20:02] Voice 11: But we had, and Trustee Yates is on the advisory committee.

[0:20:07] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Yates, for volunteering.

[0:20:09] Voice 11: And we've had our inaugural meeting.

[0:20:11] Voice 11: And I'm hopeful that Trustee Yates agrees,

[0:20:14] Voice 11: but I was quite happy with the process for community engagement that's been laid out.

[0:20:21] Voice 11: I mean, there's some questions about how the survey will be accomplished,

[0:20:24] Voice 11: but I think there's lots of touch points and open houses and community opportunities to gather input.

[0:20:30] Voice 11: So there is a Get Involved page that will be updated with the reports as we go forward.

[0:20:36] Voice 11: And there is a community open house consultation scheduled for September 23rd.

[0:20:43] Voice 11: And I think that's fairly firm, but it hasn't been fully confirmed yet.

[0:20:48] Voice 11: And then the other issue that we're heading to this fall is AAP, an alternative approval process to gauge whether or not Gabriel Lins are in support of creating a new community wellness coordinator,

[0:21:01] Voice 11: which can support the more than 40 volunteer and nonprofit and emergency health responders that are part of the collaborative.

[0:21:09] Voice 11: And there is a feasibility study that was done to outline some of the options, and we're proceeding on asking the community about one of the options, which is to start with a part-time coordinator and see how that goes.

[0:21:24] Voice 11: And so on my report, I do have a link to a website, and when we get closer to the AEP in the fall, there will also be a Get Involved page created for that one as well.

[0:21:36] Voice 11: And we tentatively have some virtual and a community open house September 16th, 17th.

[0:21:42] Voice 11: And September is a super busy month, but we're trying to pick a time when we can be after the summer.

[0:21:47] Voice 11: But we have to be in advance of actually launching the AEP to ensure that, you know, community members have as much time as possible to read the materials and ask questions and make sure that they, you know, understand what we're asking of them and feel informed.

[0:22:03] Voice 11: So those are just a couple of the items that I wanted to highlight from my report.

[0:22:08] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:22:10] Voice 14: Okay. Thank you for your full report.

[0:22:13] Voice 14: We very much appreciate that.

[0:22:15] Voice 14: Are there any questions to the director at this time?

[0:22:18] Voice 15: No, I have just a comment.

[0:22:21] Voice 15: Vinetha, I so appreciate your reports.

[0:22:24] Voice 15: They're comprehensive, they're clear, and I

[0:22:28] Voice 3: just really appreciate them.

[0:22:29] Voice 3: Thank you so much.

[0:22:31] Voice 14: Thanks.

[0:22:32] Voice 3: soon

[0:22:33] Voice 14: and uh so uh thank you very much so i'm going to move on then so there's nothing further at this

[0:22:39] Voice 14: time and uh a standing item on our agendas uh any reporting from first nations and i don't see

[0:22:45] Voice 14: anything on today's agenda and so um that hopefully will evolve over time we have uh we have now filled

[0:22:52] Voice 14: the uh vacancy on did you have something

[0:22:55] Voice 6: okay

[0:22:56] Voice 14: we have filled the vacancy on the first nations liaison

[0:22:59] Voice 14: on position and and so we'll definitely be seeing seeing some more activity there in the future

[0:23:05] Voice 14: and so renee did you have anything to add through

[0:23:08] Voice 3: the chair um island trust services uh or trust

[0:23:13] Voice 3: area services rather have been sending out letters to the first nation right so those letters have

[0:23:19] Voice 3: gone out last weekend i believe this people's life is there's quite a community that's great

[0:23:25] Voice 3: yeah

[0:23:26] Voice 14: so that's the coordinated letters of basically well not welcoming but just

[0:23:32] Voice 14: advising newly elected and our interest in continuing the dialogue would

[0:23:39] Voice 3: this be the time

[0:23:40] Voice 3: to perhaps request to appear as a delegation as the name of council as the letters of introduction

[0:23:48] Voice 3: have gone out and sort of put a face to the names um i've been advised that that's sometimes a good

[0:23:56] Voice 3: idea is to get a face-to-face just presence and you can do that by requesting the event agent so

[0:24:03] Voice 3: would that be so

[0:24:04] Voice 14: you would ask you're suggesting asking to be a delegate at the next

[0:24:09] Voice 14: isn't the name of council council

[0:24:11] Voice 3: maybe yeah i mean i've asked for that before and just kept

[0:24:14] Voice 3: getting bumped because their agendas were full or had to cancel but those letters would go out

[0:24:21] Voice 3: so i

[0:24:22] Voice 14: would suggest that that be coordinated with the new liaison

[0:24:26] Voice 3: and

[0:24:27] Voice 14: um but yeah so i think we

[0:24:32] Voice 14: don't need any direction to do that and you could certainly just

[0:24:35] Voice 3: yeah follow

[0:24:37] Voice 14: up on that um keeping

[0:24:38] Voice 3: in

[0:24:38] Voice 14: mind that the person is in pretty fresh orientation i

[0:24:42] Voice 3: think we're under strict instructions

[0:24:45] Voice 3: talk to the new

[0:24:46] Voice 14: staff person

[0:24:47] Voice 3: for at least a month

[0:24:48] Voice 14: but that that will come for sure yeah

[0:24:50] Voice 3: okay so

[0:24:52] Voice 14: thank you for that toby and stay on it i know

[0:24:55] Voice 14: you will stop

[0:24:57] Voice 3: so

[0:24:58] Voice 14: this brings us to uh the public

[0:25:00] Voice 14: comment period and uh so enough talking from this side of the table i want to ask the community here

[0:25:06] Voice 14: do you have um anything you'd like to address the local trust committee today about just raise your

[0:25:11] Voice 14: hands if you do okay slonger ice and nancy

[0:25:15] Voice 3: heatherington nancy heatherington

[0:25:18] Voice 14: okay so why don't we start off with case

[0:25:22] Voice 14: yeah well thank you very much uh with the trustees um

[0:25:26] Voice 8: the question i've got is regarding the ocp lub review and

[0:25:30] Voice 3: its housing focus will this pro

[0:25:33] Voice 3: project the phase one actually include bylaw changes or is it just

[0:25:38] Voice 6: preliminary work

[0:25:40] Voice 6: done and then the subsequent parts

[0:25:44] Voice 3: will deal with other aspects of the OCP.

[0:25:49] Voice 3: Could I ask that because will you be, if you are considering doing bylaws

[0:25:54] Voice 3: that's the first

[0:25:55] Voice 8: part on housing, will you be considering water,

[0:25:58] Voice 8: sewage capacity, the carrying capacity and using the precautionary principle?

[0:26:04] Voice 3: I think overall

[0:26:05] Voice 3: all things that need to be considered when you're doing a major ocp review and especially if you're

[0:26:11] Voice 3: doing one aspect first

[0:26:12] Voice 6: i think there's some preliminary groundwork that needs to be done

[0:26:16] Voice 6: that's my view anyway i believe that has to be done and like i just wondered why the housing

[0:26:24] Voice 6: was picked up when there's there's a lot of other issues that need to be dealt with as well

[0:26:32] Voice 6: i'm talking about the environmental protection side of it and the degree to which first nations

[0:26:39] Voice 3: will also have an impact on these kind of discussions i think that's critical so that one

[0:26:45] Voice 3: and uh yeah

[0:26:48] Voice 7: and the other one is that the housing option review project report that came out a

[0:26:53] Voice 7: couple years ago did indicate that 75 percent

[0:26:58] Voice 3: of the respondents were not in favor of increasing

[0:27:01] Voice 3: I just wonder if that is still the premise of this project, or will it be the premise of this project?

[0:27:10] Voice 3: And by density, I'm not talking about the number of lots. It's the residential density that I'm talking about.

[0:27:16] Voice 3: Those are some of my queries, and I hope

[0:27:20] Voice 14: you'll consider that as you discuss it.

[0:27:23] Voice 14: So thank you, Case, and we certainly will consider those things.

[0:27:26] Voice 14: you're a little bit ahead of us because of course that topic is on today's agenda i know and we

[0:27:32] Voice 14: haven't had that discussion no but i think that what's covered in the reporting um is that there

[0:27:39] Voice 14: would not be bylaws drafted at this stage in this first phase and i think it's also assumed that all

[0:27:46] Voice 14: of that previous work and information will be uh considered in that in the work as it advances so

[0:27:53] Voice 7: you'll develop the bylaws potentially any other work

[0:27:56] Voice 3: you can potentially change the bylaws again

[0:27:57] Voice 14: because the

[0:27:58] Voice 14: other work may not impact whatever the bylaws are potentially yeah i think that

[0:28:07] Voice 14: i'll ask the staff to address that specific question and of course that's a recommendation

[0:28:13] Voice 14: at this time yes

[0:28:14] Voice 3: i actually think you spoke very well to it peter um said in fact there's a lot of

[0:28:20] Voice 3: groundwork that needs to be done before we get to the the bylaw writing so the first when we get

[0:28:26] Voice 3: into the discussion of it it's about visioning it's about options and then it's about violence

[0:28:30] Voice 3: and there's a lot of um technical work that'll be done by staff myself and colleagues because

[0:28:36] Voice 3: we now have this and i'll extend a bit more to the land analysis process that we're going to

[0:28:41] Voice 3: so that i think so maybe i missed with the report i just wasn't quite

[0:28:46] Voice 3: thank

[0:28:47] Voice 14: you thank you for coming today case um nancy heatherton pierce thank

[0:28:54] Voice 4: you excuse

[0:28:55] Voice 3: me so i have

[0:28:56] Voice 3: one little typing question a couple of things and then two points about the um

[0:29:04] Voice 3: about the ocp review and maybe it would be easier if i saved those until

[0:29:09] Voice 3: you get to that topic or which or i could say those two points now

[0:29:13] Voice 14: i think um this is your

[0:29:15] Voice 14: our opportunity to uh speak to the LTC and we try to keep that other lot of conversations at this

[0:29:21] Voice 14: table. Fair

[0:29:22] Voice 11: enough and I know it's coming shortly. Yeah. So

[0:29:24] Voice 11: my first point about type of typing is on

[0:29:28] Voice 11: on page 19 recommendation number three um I think

[0:29:34] Voice 3: the number one is meant to be option one is meant

[0:29:38] Voice 3: to be number two and i'm wondering if the actual title is um is in fact a structured

[0:29:48] Voice 3: community engagement process like i'm wondering if there's a bit of a typing error

[0:29:52] Voice 3: in that recommendation number three because option one

[0:30:00] Voice 3: called open committee process.

[0:30:05] Voice 3: So I'm just not, I'm mixed up

[0:30:07] Voice 3: about what number three recommendation is.

[0:30:09] Voice 3: I can explain it when we get into the details.

[0:30:12] Voice 3: When you get

[0:30:12] Voice 14: into the package.

[0:30:13] Voice 14: Yeah, I mean,

[0:30:14] Voice 3: there's better ways to say that.

[0:30:18] Voice 3: I think that makes up the numbering.

[0:30:20] Voice 3: And the second

[0:30:21] Voice 3: little typing thing is on page 25,

[0:30:27] Voice 3: I think number one,

[0:30:29] Voice 3: the first row and the second row are both about phase one so if there are two different rows

[0:30:37] Voice 3: maybe it could be one a and one b or something i think then maybe putting number two beside

[0:30:43] Voice 3: the vision and values is confusing for me because i think it's still part of phase one

[0:30:49] Voice 3: right so those are my two little typing things um okay

[0:30:55] Voice 14: so we'll leave that with uh

[0:30:56] Voice 14: to highlight them as she sees appropriate.

[0:31:02] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:31:02] Voice 15: And so then my two other, my quick points,

[0:31:06] Voice 3: refer to this page that I gave you

[0:31:07] Voice 3: with the black and green printing.

[0:31:09] Voice 6: Yep.

[0:31:10] Voice 3: And they are some suggestions of mine for some revisions.

[0:31:16] Voice 3: And I'm speaking as a Gabriel resident.

[0:31:19] Voice 3: And my goal here is that this charter could be

[0:31:22] Voice 3: to help readers, particularly with very little knowledge

[0:31:26] Voice 3: about the ocp and lub understand the charter um as much as possible and so i'll leave those with

[0:31:35] Voice 3: you but i wanted to emphasize two things in the background section um so i've made these under

[0:31:43] Voice 3: my goal i've made these three little points the points and then the fence chart i suggest in the

[0:31:50] Voice 3: background that you leave out the key interests of the review because to me it's confusing

[0:31:57] Voice 3: in a charter that's talking about values and visions after we say first stage to list key

[0:32:03] Voice 3: interests of the overall review so i'm suggesting in my revisions of the background part to omit

[0:32:12] Voice 3: the key interest section that's my first of the two and my second main point is that um

[0:32:21] Voice 3: I know that I'm trying to understand what you're meaning with respect to the key interest

[0:32:32] Voice 3: section. So in the middle of the background section on the charter, you've got a sentence

[0:32:38] Voice 3: starting some of the key interests previously identified. And so we call that out right up to

[0:32:45] Voice 3: the eighteen thousand dollars so i think it's confusing when the charter focuses on vision

[0:32:53] Voice 3: and values and my second point um is about uh the suggestion the staff report we do a pair on page

[0:33:02] Voice 3: um uh on page um um 22 or page um yeah page 21 you're proposing a parallel process

[0:33:15] Voice 3: process of studying housing as well as the values and vision, and I want to strongly urge you to instead choose alternate one on page 22 that says, do not involve the HAPC in review of the project materials.

[0:33:36] Voice 3: I think that choosing any particular topic to study at the same time as trying to engage

[0:33:46] Voice 3: the community overall in articulating vision and values is not helpful to the overall success

[0:33:55] Voice 3: of the review.

[0:33:57] Voice 3: I think this will be challenging enough for the community to engage them on the vision

[0:34:03] Voice 3: and values and understand where that fits and it's so important to do first because it's the

[0:34:09] Voice 3: overarching framework at the same time to ask them to be focusing on one aspect and it doesn't

[0:34:18] Voice 3: matter what aspect it is in my view I think that's very confusing and I would like to suggest that

[0:34:24] Voice 3: alternate one in my opinion makes a lot of sense to me because then the HAPC would be

[0:34:31] Voice 3: up participating the same way as any other group but not do the parallel process that you suggested

[0:34:37] Voice 3: on the top of page 21. thank you okay

[0:34:43] Voice 6: so you'll take that into consideration

[0:34:45] Voice 6: so go ahead um

[0:34:50] Voice 3: when you say hapc to participate as any other community group they're not a community group

[0:34:56] Voice 3: they have terms of reference by the ltc to deal with housing and so their input would have to do

[0:35:04] Voice 3: with housing so how do you suggest that they would participate like another community i was just

[0:35:11] Voice 3: paraphrasing what's written down and so it said the hapc would be limited to participating in a

[0:35:19] Voice 3: similar way as other interest groups okay so okay thanks yeah

[0:35:24] Voice 14: and um i don't know if you circulated

[0:35:27] Voice 14: this ahead of time to any of the trustees no

[0:35:31] Voice 3: i'm sorry i just got to it yesterday so um that is i

[0:35:34] Voice 3: have it written up for you

[0:35:36] Voice 3: there it

[0:35:37] Voice 14: makes it difficult for everybody to really consider it

[0:35:43] Voice 14: when we see it at the moment of time i know that

[0:35:46] Voice 4: at the same time um

[0:35:50] Voice 3: There is a

[0:35:50] Voice 3: public comment, and I've done my best to write it out for you.

[0:35:54] Voice 3: I appreciate that.

[0:35:56] Voice 3: Yeah, but I understand your point, Chair.

[0:35:58] Voice 14: Yeah, when you've gone to such a terrific effort to help us, I appreciate that.

[0:36:03] Voice 14: I want to make sure that it's acknowledged.

[0:36:05] Voice 14: And so the sooner we can get it, the better for everybody.

[0:36:08] Voice 14: But thank you for bringing it to our attention today.

[0:36:12] Voice 14: So are we okay, Trustees, with what we've heard here?

[0:36:15] Voice 14: So, sir, your name again?

[0:36:16] Voice 8: Rob Rockley.

[0:36:17] Voice 8: Okay, Rob, over to you.

[0:36:18] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair Latham, and Trustees Yates and Elliott, and our Dean Director Craig on Zoom.

[0:36:26] Voice 8: I'd like to speak to you today about a very serious bylaw enforcement issue that's causing great anxiety to myself and other neighborhood residents that's occurring currently.

[0:36:43] Voice 8: Currently, I'm aware of the standing resolution regarding deferred enforcement of non-permitted residential uses.

[0:36:53] Voice 8: And given the lack of affordable housing on Gabriela, I strongly support that initiative.

[0:37:02] Voice 8: But the standing resolution has specific exceptions.

[0:37:06] Voice 8: exceptions. And this property that is causing us concern clearly falls within several of the

[0:37:15] Voice 8: exceptions. The most serious one being where there are concerns regarding health and safety.

[0:37:27] Voice 8: I've talked to the bylaw people at the Audits Trust and the bylaw people at the RDN.

[0:37:35] Voice 8: I've written to the trustees and Director Craig, and I really appreciate that there's been filed open on this property, and both by-law departments say they will investigate and they will take action as appropriate.

[0:37:52] Voice 8: So that's great.

[0:37:55] Voice 8: But my real concern is I'm not getting a real sense of urgency from either of the by-law departments about this particular issue.

[0:38:05] Voice 8: There have been two serious fires on the property in the past two years, most recently within the last month.

[0:38:11] Voice 8: And if they had not been controlled by the fire department, it would have caused devastation to our neighborhood and the north end of the island.

[0:38:22] Voice 8: So I really do feel why I appreciate there are steps that need to be taken to enforce bylaws, even when there are exceptions here.

[0:38:32] Voice 8: I really do feel that action has to be taken quickly.

[0:38:39] Voice 8: We're in an extreme fire hazard.

[0:38:42] Voice 8: I really do feel strongly that it's only a matter of time before there is another serious fire,

[0:38:49] Voice 8: which sooner or later will not be controlled, which will really be catastrophic to this island.

[0:38:59] Voice 8: So I would like action taken.

[0:39:01] Voice 8: and whether that requires cooperation between the items trust and the rbn bylaw departments

[0:39:10] Voice 8: whatever it takes i know the fire chief is very concerned but for the bylaw people i'm not getting

[0:39:16] Voice 8: that sense of urgency and so i just bring it to your attention that this really is not something

[0:39:21] Voice 8: that can wait um until until the winter this is something that's occurring now the fire situation

[0:39:29] Voice 8: is very serious and we are very, very concerned.

[0:39:33] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:39:34] Voice 14: Okay, thank you.

[0:39:35] Voice 14: I just might speak in broad terms

[0:39:38] Voice 14: because we can't necessarily speak directly

[0:39:40] Voice 14: to bylaw enforcement issues.

[0:39:42] Voice 14: I think you understand that.

[0:39:43] Voice 14: But I have been monitoring the situation

[0:39:46] Voice 14: as the trustees and we do understand fully

[0:39:49] Voice 14: the seriousness of it and I share your very concerns.

[0:39:52] Voice 14: There is action being taken

[0:39:54] Voice 14: and so that's all I can say

[0:39:59] Voice 14: is that we're taking it seriously

[0:40:00] Voice 14: and acting as being taken seriously.

[0:40:02] Voice 14: So hopefully you'll see some development

[0:40:04] Voice 14: of that in the near future.

[0:40:06] Voice 14: I really appreciate you coming here today.

[0:40:08] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:40:09] Voice 14: Is there anybody else that wishes to address

[0:40:11] Voice 14: the Local Trust Committee today?

[0:40:13] Voice 14: All right.

[0:40:14] Voice 14: So we're going to dig into the business.

[0:40:16] Voice 15: Chair Luckom, I would like just to add a comment

[0:40:19] Voice 15: on Rob Broccoli's presentation.

[0:40:22] Voice 15: I find it terrifying.

[0:40:24] Voice 15: actually, the situation that's happening there right now.

[0:40:27] Voice 15: And I believe we'll be getting a report later on camera.

[0:40:32] Voice 15: I so appreciate you being a neighbor to that property, being on it.

[0:40:38] Voice 3: And I think part of the reason that it doesn't seem like we,

[0:40:45] Voice 3: that our bylaw enforcement doesn't take it

[0:40:48] Voice 4: urgently,

[0:40:49] Voice 15: is because the island's trust by law enforcement

[0:40:53] Voice 15: doesn't have emergency shutdown powers.

[0:40:56] Voice 15: It has only the ability to issue a warning,

[0:41:00] Voice 15: issue a ticket, eventually takes on the court.

[0:41:04] Voice 15: So the immediate shutdown abilities reside only with either the regional district,

[0:41:10] Voice 15: more

[0:41:10] Voice 3: likely the fire department and the province's health.

[0:41:16] Voice 3: And I'm sorry about that because in a situation like this,

[0:41:19] Voice 3: all those different silos if they don't act

[0:41:23] Voice 15: quickly we are going to be in big trouble

[0:41:25] Voice 15: so that's my comments

[0:41:27] Voice 3: thank

[0:41:28] Voice 14: you all right so we'll continue on then uh this will bring us to

[0:41:33] Voice 14: the minutes of uh our previous meeting uh june the 8th are they're here for adoption

[0:41:38] Voice 14: there are any changes to the minutes quick

[0:41:49] Voice 4: question no changes the minutes are amazing

[0:41:51] Voice 15: i um i was like oh my

[0:41:53] Voice 15: goodness how did they make sense of all of all of our comments thank you so

[0:41:56] Voice 15: much just a quick question with regard to um on page 11 we made we this committee made a decision

[0:42:06] Voice 15: to send a request for decision to council for discussion in september on getting a report some

[0:42:16] Voice 15: some information on various ministries on limiting aggregate,

[0:42:24] Voice 3: sand, gravel, rocks,

[0:42:27] Voice 3: the

[0:42:28] Voice 15: skeleton of our island, basically, on limiting it to the use of such materials on the island

[0:42:34] Voice 15: to which an extraction permit applies.

[0:42:37] Voice 15: And I'm just wondering, how do I know that that, how will I know when that goes to council?

[0:42:44] Voice 15: Council. How do I follow up on this? This is an RFP from this committee to send a council

[0:42:52] Voice 15: to discuss in September. And

[0:42:55] Voice 15: how do I

[0:42:56] Voice 3: know about the follow up?

[0:42:59] Voice 14: Well, assuming that we're going to start compiling the agenda for that shortly, and it shouldn't

[0:43:07] Voice 14: show up on it um and certainly told that i'd keep an eye out for it um and um and then um that would

[0:43:14] Voice 14: come to council and it would be reported out as a decision of council with follow-up action list

[0:43:19] Voice 14: and all those sorts of things so there is kind of a paper trail so i will watch for it thank you

[0:43:25] Voice 3: just don't want to lose that okay

[0:43:30] Voice 14: so then i'm going to take it then that the minutes of june

[0:43:33] Voice 14: the 8th be adopted by general consent as presented and at 5.11 we have amending the minutes

[0:43:39] Voice 14: uh the regional planning manager gemara you have a short briefing here for us and uh so um

[0:43:46] Voice 14: thank you

[0:43:48] Voice 3: chair so this report here what is some clarification um and some information provided by

[0:43:56] Voice 3: our planning team assistant um there was a question that had come up about verifying how

[0:44:04] Voice 3: how um minutes could be clarified um so what she's provided here what this report has provided

[0:44:12] Voice 3: is based on the island's trust minute guidelines um to say once the minutes have been compared by

[0:44:21] Voice 3: the reporter it gets checked for spelling it gets checked for content and when it comes back to

[0:44:28] Voice 3: the local trust committee if there are any um clarification pieces that are desired by the

[0:44:36] Voice 3: trustees that can happen during discussion and agreement at um in this section that we just came

[0:44:43] Voice 3: through and then the minute ticket can clarify so if there's any um clarification of the minutes as

[0:44:49] Voice 3: you review them we can talk about it generally the next the following um that you're seeing

[0:44:58] Voice 6: Um, any questions about that?

[0:45:02] Voice 14: So I'll just ask a question just for clarity, um, because this was come up because we had

[0:45:08] Voice 14: some questions and you wanted about the process and I appreciate that.

[0:45:14] Voice 14: Um, if there are, so the first time that we as a committee would see the minutes is in

[0:45:20] Voice 14: the agenda pack, if it comes up 10 days before, I'm presuming that if a trustee see a typographical

[0:45:27] Voice 14: error or something of that nature um do you want us to email the staff in responding to the

[0:45:34] Voice 14: that information that we get to say that there's this type of graphical error so we don't have to

[0:45:39] Voice 14: actually address those minor amendments or

[0:45:42] Voice 3: the chair you can absolutely yeah second on to our

[0:45:45] Voice 3: but in

[0:45:46] Voice 14: terms of content the ltc needs to agree on the change of the car

[0:45:50] Voice 3: and if you do find the

[0:45:52] Voice 3: type of during like this it it's okay yeah yeah so are

[0:45:58] Voice 14: we okay with that right so we'll receive

[0:46:01] Voice 14: that information thank you so thank you very much for bringing that to us today um so i'm going to

[0:46:07] Voice 14: advance through to business arising from the minutes that's our follow-up action list i'm

[0:46:12] Voice 14: assuming that that's up to date and so we'll just go to trustees for questions on the follow-up

[0:46:17] Voice 14: Actions that came with the original planning of the trustee's questions.

[0:46:22] Voice 3: Not so much specifically to follow back to this, but more broadly, I think we had a discussion

[0:46:28] Voice 3: to LTC meeting to go about finishing the density donation project.

[0:46:34] Voice 3: It's not essentially a project anymore.

[0:46:36] Voice 3: We have it still on our website and in our files.

[0:46:39] Voice 3: And so could we not change the, that's not a minor project, so I'm not sure why the other

[0:46:46] Planner McCargar: website,

[0:46:46] Voice 3: make it go away.

[0:46:47] Voice 3: Okay. And could we, I guess when we get to the major project consideration, put back the housing options and impacts review files so that the public can read those, could that be available as are listed on the website?

[0:47:07] Voice 14: So is that the local trust committee webpage section, maybe? Because what you're asking for is a subscription.

[0:47:11] Voice 3: Sure, yeah. I've never guessed something in that section, so there.

[0:47:15] Voice 3: There we go.

[0:47:15] Voice 14: Put

[0:47:15] Voice 3: it in there.

[0:47:16] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:47:16] Voice 3: Yeah, so

[0:47:17] Voice 3: let's

[0:47:19] Voice 14: raise that again

[0:47:19] Voice 14: when we get to that section.

[0:47:21] Voice 14: But that's great.

[0:47:23] Voice 14: So on the follow-up action list today,

[0:47:26] Voice 14: July 13th, is there any questions

[0:47:28] Voice 14: about any of the items on there?

[0:47:30] Voice 14: Susan Yates?

[0:47:31] Voice 15: Just one, but you've already addressed it

[0:47:32] Voice 15: very nicely, Peter,

[0:47:34] Voice 15: on the flight path changes.

[0:47:36] Voice 15: I was going to suggest

[0:47:37] Voice 15: that in our correspondence

[0:47:39] Voice 15: or your correspondence

[0:47:41] Voice 15: as chair of this committee

[0:47:43] Voice 15: and on council,

[0:47:43] Voice 15: Council um if the copies went to Elizabeth May right um

[0:47:48] Voice 15: but we should have a copy going to Lisa

[0:47:50] Voice 3: Marie Barron the MP for this area yeah

[0:47:56] Voice 14: I'm actually going to um I've sort of I brought

[0:48:00] Voice 14: I raised that earlier on with our staff because it should also go to envy yeah

[0:48:05] Voice 3: um

[0:48:06] Voice 14: and so I'm I

[0:48:08] Voice 14: will uh commit to you that I'll follow up with

[0:48:10] Voice 3: that to ensure

[0:48:10] Voice 14: that that is copied to those two

[0:48:12] Voice 14: people i thought that it may have been but i'll follow

[0:48:15] Voice 6: up because you're absolutely um okay is

[0:48:23] Voice 6: there anything else on the follow

[0:48:23] Voice 14: -up maximus uh trustee elliott um

[0:48:26] Voice 3: back to the first of december

[0:48:28] Voice 3: 2022 this request to consider whether heritage register uh or an mou with the commission of

[0:48:36] Voice 3: heritage i know that stock capacity to to look into this has been an issue is this perhaps

[0:48:43] Voice 3: a potential subject for the OCP review

[0:48:47] Voice 4: instead

[0:48:48] Voice 3: of an individual, let's, because it came to

[0:48:53] Voice 3: a request from the public a long time ago to protect heritage, we don't have a heritage

[0:49:01] Voice 3: register, and so it's about for us to investigate whether MOU with permission under the heritage

[0:49:09] Voice 3: doc or a register with the rural island which i think he is the eldest who would have my name

[0:49:15] Voice 3: was the desire wasn't to see what the options are but i don't know how this has advanced and

[0:49:21] Voice 3: couldn't be fit under that major context you

[0:49:25] Voice 6: know through

[0:49:26] Voice 3: the chair um so this one we on this item

[0:49:31] Voice 3: there's some information that's being worked on for this particular item to gather some research

[0:49:40] Voice 3: So I think it might be better to provide a staff report with some thoughts and options to consider and then maybe part of that could have some direction from the LTC for that to go into the official community plan as a subject area that's still important to the community or included as a topic.

[0:50:08] Voice 3: to check in with the community on for the OCP or if you get a sense that it's not something that

[0:50:15] Voice 3: needs to be part of the OCP there could be options in there and I think that's the intent of this

[0:50:20] Voice 3: report is to lay out the information of what we find so and say what would you like to do here

[0:50:27] Voice 3: are some ideas the OCP could be so our intention is to still bring this back to you. Susan Yates?

[0:50:35] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:50:35] Voice 15: I get the feeling that it's been put into abeyance by the original group that approached us to take this on because they have information from the province that there's going to be some new information coming out about the Heritage Act.

[0:50:53] Voice 15: That's what I've heard from them.

[0:50:56] Voice 15: So they haven't come to us in a while.

[0:50:58] Voice 15: I'm sure they would if they really wanted us to keep working on this.

[0:51:01] Voice 15: And I think the staff report will help us decide whether we deal with this as kind of a singular issue or whether we put it into an OCP review.

[0:51:13] Voice 15: My inclination would be not to include it as part of the OCP review, but I don't know for sure until I get the staff report.

[0:51:20] Voice 15: report. So,

[0:51:21] Voice 15: yeah, I did hear that from a good source that that group that had asked us originally

[0:51:29] Voice 15: is not working on it now because they're waiting for

[0:51:32] Voice 3: something from the province

[0:51:34] Voice 3: of the Archaeology Branch or Ministry of Heritage or something like that.

[0:51:44] Voice 6: Yeah, yes. I hadn't heard that there were potential changes to the Heritage Act,

[0:51:49] Voice 14: so that's interesting to know. But

[0:51:51] Voice 14: some

[0:51:52] Voice 6: of the LTCs and ERISA

[0:51:53] Voice 14: might be more aware of it than

[0:51:55] Voice 14: anybody else some of the ltc's self-pended for sure have these registries created and

[0:52:03] Voice 14: so it's certainly something that could be ultimately taken on here

[0:52:08] Voice 6: resuming anyway

[0:52:10] Voice 3: and through this year that's something that staff are beginning this research or have completed

[0:52:15] Voice 3: some of this research is checking the legislation yeah knowing what's the best maybe approach or

[0:52:22] Voice 3: some approaches to bring back to just to share that okay talk about it somewhere okay so thanks

[0:52:29] Voice 6: for the question anything else from the follow-up okay

[0:52:32] Voice 5: so

[0:52:35] Voice 14: let us move along then to the local trust

[0:52:38] Voice 14: committee projects and here um 7.1 on page 19 in the agenda the major project ocp review and uh

[0:52:47] Voice 14: We've got a staff report here, so I'll just turn this over to staff to advise us, and then we can have a conversation at the table here with respect to the direction we want to provide.

[0:52:59] Voice 6: So, Marissa Chapman, can I hear her?

[0:53:02] Voice 3: Thanks.

[0:53:02] Voice 3: So, yes, and thank you, Nancy, for providing your input, which is useful.

[0:53:14] Voice 3: And I do appreciate your points that you make about making it clear for the community, because

[0:53:21] Voice 3: often the staff, you know, are sort of rushing to do our thing and trying to do our best,

[0:53:27] Voice 3: but it's nice for the people to keep note of something.

[0:53:35] Voice 3: So what we're really doing, like we're really, I sort of see this staff report and decisions

[0:53:42] Voice 3: to me at this meeting as the launching of this OCD-LUB project. And so for that reason I've

[0:53:52] Voice 3: really tried to be very specific and thought through like sort of all the things so that we

[0:54:01] Voice 3: can really set things up well. That said, I mean any one of these things that I've introduced to

[0:54:08] Voice 3: you can be um it's it's all about you know i always like to refer to these things as straw dogs

[0:54:14] Voice 3: we got to start the conversation somewhere so um so we've got the project our uh business case we've

[0:54:23] Voice 3: got an engagement um a draft uh plan with some options in it um we've got some uh i provided

[0:54:32] Voice 3: some suggestions for what the APC and the housing APC could be involved in as part of this

[0:54:39] Voice 3: project and a bit of a timeline. So again I think what would be great to

[0:54:46] Voice 3: come out of this is that we all have a clear sense of what the next steps are

[0:54:52] Voice 3: and that those next steps feel like they're the right steps for the community.

[0:54:58] Voice 3: So, in the report, I didn't provide a bit of a background, we do have $18,000 for this

[0:55:10] Voice 3: project.

[0:55:11] Voice 3: There was some initial discussion, we brought the APC together and the housing APC together

[0:55:18] Voice 3: in February before the budget was even allocated to have some discussion because I think there's

[0:55:25] Voice 3: some very um enthusiastic um community members that are really looking forward to being engaged

[0:55:32] Voice 3: in this process and there were a few things that came out of that meeting we did a bit of a um a

[0:55:37] Voice 3: brainstorm around the kinds of things that have that have happened before in the community um the

[0:55:43] Voice 3: work that that's been done and you know that's something that we um as part of the process what

[0:55:48] what a staff will want to capture a

[0:55:52] Voice 3: little bit more because i think it's really important to

[0:55:54] Voice 3: acknowledge all of the good work and and to be building on that as opposed to trying to

[0:55:58] Voice 3: to do something new right so whatever we can build on um is really important and so out of that um

[0:56:06] Voice 3: that process that became sort of some of the key key uh ideas where yes there's been a lot of work

[0:56:13] Voice 3: it it it seems like uh the community is in a place where um where there's been a lot of

[0:56:19] Voice 3: evolution in the community and there really is a time an opportunity here for another like a

[0:56:27] Voice 3: discussion around identifying some values and vision before heading into like straight into

[0:56:34] Voice 3: byline we're not the community is not quite there and I think that was recognized in the design

[0:56:42] Voice 3: it was sort of looking at a sort of a community engagement process so thinking about um and then

[0:56:49] Voice 3: there was this other aspect of of housing and um the interest in addressing housing i've been to

[0:56:55] Voice 3: some of the material that was um put together um the report that was put out um as part of that

[0:57:01] Voice 3: the the housing work um previously um and there's a lot of good stuff in there um there's a there's

[0:57:10] Voice 3: obviously a lot of a lot of good thinking, a lot of time and effort that was put into that work,

[0:57:17] Voice 3: and that was also recognized by previous staff person Sonia Zucanek, and really we

[0:57:27] Voice 3: shouldn't lose that work, we need to build on that work. So there's two kind of

[0:57:36] Voice 3: of the current processes that I'm proposing.

[0:57:40] Voice 3: Again, it's more of a proposal to see what you think.

[0:57:43] Voice 3: We can have some discussion.

[0:57:46] Voice 3: And one is on the housing review side of things,

[0:57:51] Voice 3: you know, it appears that there has been a lot of work

[0:57:54] Voice 3: that's been done.

[0:57:55] Voice 3: There's a lot of material.

[0:57:56] Voice 3: There's a lot of options that has been identified

[0:58:02] Voice 3: by the community.

[0:58:03] Voice 3: And on the staff side,

[0:58:05] Voice 3: We have been working, as Toby had pointed out, the Regional Planning Committee has a project.

[0:58:12] Voice 3: We've had the great fortune of having an exiliate planner who's a former planner with the Island Trust who's worked at the Salt Spring.

[0:58:19] Voice 3: So he knows the Island Trust. And he's done some great work to help us to put together a housing toolkit.

[0:58:27] Voice 3: Now, this toolkit is unlike other toolkits that basically say, you know, here are some

[0:58:33] Voice 3: legislative tools to use, use them.

[0:58:36] Voice 3: This toolkit is dug down to identify very specific, we've got a list of, we've gone

[0:58:43] Voice 3: through everything that we could think of.

[0:58:45] Voice 3: And when I say we, it's myself, it's Jason who is working on it, it's Robert Kutcheon,

[0:58:50] Voice 3: but it's Seth and we've had, since Renee, we've had many, many of us involved in looking

[0:58:56] Voice 3: at what are all the possible options for amendments for OCP and land use bylaw that could apply

[0:59:07] Voice 3: for the islands and that could support more options or more flexibility in housing.

[0:59:14] Voice 3: So things like, there's some things in OCP that can be, you know, just for example, allowing

[0:59:20] Voice 3: allowing rezonings for trailer parks if that's not explicitly in the OCP then you've got to go

[0:59:27] Voice 3: through a whole process and you've got to amend the OCP which requires Ministry sign off in that

[0:59:34] Voice 3: process so there's that we've also put together a whole list of of all of the related housing

[0:59:45] Voice 3: bylaws in the trust area. So it's an 80-page amendment or appendix to our toolkit. So there's

[0:59:57] Voice 3: some real work that's been put in, and I think really...

[1:00:00] Voice 3: useful. I mean, I, myself, I've got, I've got housing projects

[1:00:02] Voice 3: on a main island and on Denman Island. And I've been using this,

[1:00:08] Voice 3: this is very, very helpful. And so I'm just thinking about, and

[1:00:14] Voice 3: again, I mean, I don't have any, I don't know, I haven't met with

[1:00:17] Voice 3: the housing agency, personally, I don't know who's on that. And

[1:00:20] Voice 3: I feel this is just, it's just an idea that I'm putting out

[1:00:24] Voice 3: there that if there's, if there's interest, that there may

[1:00:28] Voice 3: maybe value in sort of handing over the toolkit to them in this visioning period of time because

[1:00:38] Voice 3: and having them start to have a look and identify some options.

[1:00:42] Voice 3: So the options have already been identified from the work that they've previously done.

[1:00:46] Voice 3: So that was the idea there is does that make sense, the process to sort of move the housing

[1:00:54] Voice 3: housing along a little bit further because we do have this information that we just provide.

[1:01:00] Voice 3: And ultimately, where that would maybe land is in, spend some time during the rest of

[1:01:12] Voice 3: this year to have a look at those things and come up with options and then, you know, staff

[1:01:17] Voice 3: to come back with a report that would speak to, would maybe evaluate the options that

[1:01:23] Voice 3: been provided and so then you're a little bit further ahead with housing but it doesn't mean

[1:01:28] Voice 3: to say that you're not still that housing is still not part of the the overall uh visioning process

[1:01:34] Voice 3: because that that'll be a part um you know the vision for housing um still needs to be happening

[1:01:42] Voice 3: and that would also be something that's done but that's the agent we put out there for to identify

[1:01:50] Voice 3: for this overall vision document so the other so so again and i guess that's that's really the main

[1:01:56] Voice 3: part of this process is this visioning um this values envisioning process for the community

[1:02:03] Voice 3: and um i mean what i've what i've identified here is like what what about looking at uh community

[1:02:10] Voice 3: vision for 2050 does that make sense is that something that that could resonate with communities

[1:02:16] Voice 3: in terms of of thinking about what what they want to see and um and how we get there um and so the

[1:02:24] Voice 3: visioning process i i've identified some options for this process so um in the draft engagement

[1:02:32] Voice 3: engagement plan that I I put together there um I identified a few options a few phases so

[1:02:38] Voice 3: in um and again I was also relying on some um work that Sonia had done related to public she's she's

[1:02:47] Voice 3: done a fair amount related to public about getting to music a lot of this comes um in

[1:02:52] Voice 3: consultation with my colleagues as well um so in whatever process there's three options for sort of

[1:03:01] Voice 3: the more engaged process but each one of them will require um that there is a initial

[1:03:08] Voice 3: an initial engagement and that that would be um a normal launch of the project where um where

[1:03:15] Voice 3: the community um is provided information in the way that makes sense to me and that's what we can

[1:03:21] Voice 3: talk about uh is that is it a meeting is it what is this event is it coming to an event um that's

[1:03:28] Voice 3: already being which which generally i think is a better way to go and what event would that be

[1:03:32] Voice 3: just to um identify what the project is about so that so that there's no misperceptions of what

[1:03:40] Voice 3: of what it is about and i would work with our communications person to really get that

[1:03:46] Voice 3: to communications really clear um and then the next phase is that i and so i identified that

[1:03:53] Voice 3: as a laying the groundwork so what are we doing and then um the next phase is the vision and

[1:03:58] Voice 3: values identity phase, which is a much more engaged phase.

[1:04:03] Voice 3: And that's where we've got options.

[1:04:04] Voice 3: And again, I mean, maybe they're not

[1:04:06] Voice 3: quite done in a way that's reflective, as Nancy hinted.

[1:04:12] Voice 3: There may be ways for us to characterize these

[1:04:14] Voice 3: in different ways.

[1:04:15] Voice 3: But basically, the option one is a very open and looser process

[1:04:20] Voice 3: where we basically say, here at community,

[1:04:23] Voice 3: This is the process of visioning.

[1:04:29] Voice 3: This is the end point we want to get to.

[1:04:31] Voice 3: I've identified the key

[1:04:33] Voice 3: focus areas for the OCP.

[1:04:37] Voice 3: And we're interested in knowing what's important in those areas.

[1:04:43] Voice 3: What's your vision?

[1:04:43] Voice 3: And what are some of the challenges and opportunities that you see?

[1:04:49] Voice 3: Those are the questions pretty much for all of them.

[1:04:52] Voice 3: But in this case, we're saying, you know, we know there's a lot of groups out there organized around topics that are important to you and report back to us.

[1:05:04] Voice 3: We would provide some guidance in terms of a bit of a framework for that input.

[1:05:09] Voice 3: put. And in this case, and in the other, in all of the other

[1:05:17] Voice 3: cases, we're also suggesting that we have an online

[1:05:22] Voice 3: opportunity for those that may other what may not be able to

[1:05:26] Voice 3: or interested

[1:05:26] Voice 3: in engaging in sort of focus groups or

[1:05:29] Voice 3: whatever. So basically, that

[1:05:30] Voice 3: option one is sort of like a

[1:05:31] Voice 3: self organizing and self identifying option. The option

[1:05:38] Voice 3: Option two is more of a more structured so that's where we, and I think when we want to work with the APC on this,

[1:05:48] Voice 3: the APC is sort of formed more as sort of a bit like a steering committee to help us identify all of the groups that are out there

[1:05:56] Voice 3: so we can do sort of a targeted engagement.

[1:05:59] Voice 3: We can reach out to those all of the different groups and give them a sense of what we're looking for,

[1:06:05] Voice 3: or invite them to be part of the post-docs group,

[1:06:07] Voice 3: we would send out materials to them and connect with them.

[1:06:11] Voice 3: This doesn't negate the ability for other people

[1:06:16] Voice 3: in the community and other groups

[1:06:17] Voice 3: to also say that they're interested in providing.

[1:06:20] Voice 3: And this is just a little bit more,

[1:06:22] Voice 3: we're gonna invite those that we know

[1:06:24] Voice 3: are already focusing on topics of the age,

[1:06:31] Voice 3: and there's still that ability for others

[1:06:34] Voice 3: that are kind of going in um and this is this this is the um process that um that that staff

[1:06:42] Voice 3: are recommending because it does it does provide some opportunity for a little bit more structure

[1:06:47] Voice 3: um we've got our agency um we have the agency involved in in kind of helping us

[1:06:53] Voice 3: and clear to navigate our way uh to be very few and it doesn't it doesn't um limit participation

[1:07:01] Voice 3: so um the third option is that it is an even more focused process where um where the the ltc

[1:07:11] Voice 3: essentially would divide the the areas of of specific interests to look at so when i'm talking

[1:07:18] Voice 3: about areas of interest i'm talking about things like you know housing um forests uh shoreline you

[1:07:25] Voice 3: know there's um health you know there's different there's different those types of different um

[1:07:30] Voice 3: areas that could be part of it um and um and and so in the more focused process that's where the

[1:07:39] Voice 3: ltc would decide on what those are and create create special apcs appointed to address those

[1:07:47] Voice 3: and then the special APCs, it would be their responsibility to sort of identify the vision

[1:07:55] Voice 3: and figure out, you know, the options, the challenges and options related to achieving

[1:08:02] Voice 3: that vision. And so the one thing I'll point out here is the value of having this sort

[1:08:10] Voice 3: of vision document is is that um it is guaranteed that uh that all of what comes out of the various

[1:08:19] Voice 3: groups and discussions is not all going to be land use related um and so um so what what what

[1:08:30] Voice 3: staff's process will be is to look at what comes out of the process and pull out those things that

[1:08:37] Voice 3: that are directly related to land use

[1:08:40] Voice 3: and can thereby be reflected in the OCP and OEV revisions.

[1:08:48] Voice 3: And then other things, it provides an opportunity

[1:08:52] Voice 3: to create a bit of an even an action plan

[1:08:56] Voice 3: to address some of those other issues that could be addressed

[1:08:59] Voice 3: by other agencies potentially or in advocacy policies

[1:09:03] Voice 3: in the OCP.

[1:09:07] Voice 4: This

[1:09:07] Voice 3: is this kind of process, I mean it's something that some that has happened in a number of countries, but when I worked for the Ministry I I.

[1:09:19] Voice 3: I was quite engaged in this is back in the early 2000s, they were calling integrated sustainability plan just was essentially vision documents that helps to guide ultimately that.

[1:09:36] Voice 3: So that I've seen these this type of process happening throughout the province.

[1:09:47] Voice 3: In terms of, before I go into sort of going through the details of the timeline, do you

[1:09:59] Voice 3: Do you want to have a, so we take a pause

[1:10:01] Voice 3: and you have some questions.

[1:10:04] Voice 3: Yeah, there's a lot.

[1:10:07] Voice 3: I have a question.

[1:10:10] Voice 3: On page 28 and 29 of

[1:10:14] Voice 15: the agenda package.

[1:10:16] Voice 3: Sorry, I just have the printed out.

[1:10:19] Voice 3: Okay,

[1:10:20] Voice 15: so page one,

[1:10:21] Voice 3: the staff report.

[1:10:25] Voice 3: Page 28.

[1:10:26] Voice 3: Do you want to have any reference?

[1:10:28] Voice 3: No.

[1:10:29] Voice 3: So in the staff report, there's a Housing Advisory Planning

[1:10:36] Voice 15: Commission Terms of Reference.

[1:10:38] Voice 15: And then on the next page, there's another Housing Advisory Planning Commission Terms of Reference.

[1:10:44] Voice 15: I think one of those,

[1:10:46] Voice 3: the first one, is supposed to be Advisory Planning Commission, not Housing.

[1:10:50] Voice 15: Oh,

[1:10:50] Voice 3: yes. I made a typo in the title there.

[1:10:57] Voice 3: there so um yes the first one is

[1:11:01] Voice 15: is just advisory planning commission right not housing

[1:11:05] Voice 3: yes yeah so

[1:11:06] Voice 3: that with the chair that would be page 28 terms of reference actually that advising

[1:11:13] Voice 3: yeah thanks for catching

[1:11:15] Voice 6: that and anything

[1:11:23] Voice 14: more on what was the question there

[1:11:27] Voice 14: Well,

[1:11:27] Voice 3: I thought I'd pause to explain the general vision.

[1:11:30] Voice 3: So if you have any questions before I sort of get into more detail.

[1:11:35] Voice 3: I do see what Nancy and Heather just meant in your recommendation.

[1:11:40] Voice 3: You recommend that the LTC endorse, I'm assuming,

[1:11:46] Voice 3: engagement option two, which are focused in part.

[1:11:49] Voice 3: Right, yes.

[1:11:50] Voice 3: That's what I meant.

[1:11:51] Voice 3: So that's recommendation

[1:11:54] Voice 14: number three, then,

[1:11:57] Voice 14: that that is option two not option one so

[1:12:00] Voice 3: the recommendation should be until there's option two

[1:12:05] Voice 14: and

[1:12:05] Voice 6: so that's recommendation number three okay great so

[1:12:14] Voice 3: are we ready for discussion or

[1:12:17] Voice 3: just questions on the report yeah

[1:12:22] Voice 14: so in terms of figuring out how we're going to get through

[1:12:25] Voice 14: Through this briefing and the RFD part of it, there's nine motions.

[1:12:32] Voice 14: And so I think ideally we have some discussion to determine which of these we're satisfied with as they're presented and or with minor amendments that may come through the discussion and advancing them.

[1:12:46] Voice 14: And obviously, the first three or four are the meat of it.

[1:12:52] Voice 14: And then there's actions that we would take based upon the first.

[1:12:56] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:12:58] Voice 3: And I mean, what I can do is I can go through each one

[1:13:01] Voice 3: and the associated tendencies and details.

[1:13:07] Voice 3: But yeah, I just thought I'd follow you.

[1:13:09] Voice 3: So

[1:13:09] Voice 14: on the big picture part, I think,

[1:13:11] Voice 14: is there any

[1:13:12] Voice 3: clarity that you'd like to see?

[1:13:16] Voice 3: um yeah so just talking about the timeline a little bit so phase one and phase two because

[1:13:23] Voice 3: i do see that it's a little um challenging to think about phase one is vision and values

[1:13:33] Voice 3: but we're also talking about giving concurrent work to the hapc to analyze

[1:13:40] Voice 3: recommendations that came out of the new project that's not necessarily a here's the

[1:13:48] Voice 3: a vision for the community this is a piece of work that they're going to basically follow up

[1:13:54] Voice 3: and analyze so that when we get to phase two which is ocp policy drafting

[1:14:02] Voice 3: those recommendations will come out of the hmpc to the community the community will then have

[1:14:09] Voice 3: the opportunity to comment whatever form we decide for phase two in the future twenty five

[1:14:20] Voice 3: that will then go through another community process like how does everyone feel about this

[1:14:27] Voice 3: that and the other thing but basically we're running them through a lens of this focused

[1:14:33] Voice 3: hapc but it's not necessarily contributing to the overall vision and values document which

[1:14:40] Voice 3: has a targeted delivery date of when? When do we want to have that piece of work done?

[1:14:47] Voice 3: Yeah, so the vision and values document, the idea is that we would have sort of the ideas

[1:14:58] Voice 3: all ready to be compiled kind of early next year, so by January, February, I would see

[1:15:06] Voice 3: staff would be working to start to compile and then

[1:15:13] Voice 3: there would be a there would be an engagement

[1:15:16] Voice 3: before um before moving to um a final final um uh document and that's um the actual so that

[1:15:28] Voice 3: that's why in the budget numbers for for the next uh fiscal that's that's where

[1:15:36] Voice 3: like a final you know nicely what you call it graphically beautiful document would be created

[1:15:48] Voice 3: right so we've got so basically if you look at the engagement timeline I mean we're looking at

[1:16:01] Voice 3: up until sort of as early as next year would be um would be doing the engagement the decisions

[1:16:12] Voice 3: the visioning part and then by next system so by next fiscal week we have almost we hopefully

[1:16:19] Voice 3: have that draft and be ready to move into the office yeah so sort

[1:16:25] Voice 4: of vision then options

[1:16:29] Voice 3: So, when we're in the options phase, that's where we can be doing sessions, we can be

[1:16:38] Voice 3: doing engagement on particular topics like housing, for example.

[1:16:42] Voice 3: So when we get to that place,

[1:16:43] Voice 4: housing

[1:16:45] Voice 3: will already have options, so we can start to have

[1:16:49] Voice 3: the conversations about those housing amendments, and then we will be developing the options

[1:17:02] Voice 5: And

[1:17:06] Voice 3: I'll also note that at the same time, staff, there's technical work that will be happening.

[1:17:14] Voice 3: And so that involves looking through the existing bylaws and looking at things that are outdated,

[1:17:20] Voice 3: looking at things that, you know, doing a bit of a technical once over,

[1:17:27] Voice 3: basically, to have a look at things that, you know, would need to be changed regardless.

[1:17:36] Voice 3: There's outdated stuff and that sort of thing.

[1:17:38] Voice 3: Just on

[1:17:41] Voice 15: that particular topic, when I

[1:17:44] Voice 3: look through the current OCP,

[1:17:46] Voice 3: I see a lot of things that

[1:17:47] Voice 15: should actually be in a land use bylaw.

[1:17:49] Voice 3: Well, that's the sort of thing, I

[1:17:51] Voice 15: mean, looking at

[1:17:51] Voice 3: different OCPs that exist in lots of OCPs.

[1:17:56] Voice 15: yeah it's like it's far too

[1:17:57] Voice 15: prospective yeah um so

[1:17:59] Voice 3: i would like to see that and that's part

[1:18:01] Voice 3: of that that would be part of that review and then also part of the technical work

[1:18:06] Voice 3: cases there is that we we are also um internally working with mapping to do what we're we're

[1:18:18] Voice 3: calling suitable land analysis and so that's about looking at all of the data that we have

[1:18:23] Voice 3: and all of the mapping that we have

[1:18:24] Voice 3: and developing those layers.

[1:18:28] Voice 3: And as I understand it, it's, I mean, it sounds pretty cool.

[1:18:32] Voice 3: You'll be able to go through and layer the layers.

[1:18:36] Voice 3: And so you can see,

[1:18:39] Voice 3: yes, layers like sensitive ecosystem layer.

[1:18:49] Voice 3: And we'll have the groundwater, we have the,

[1:18:53] Voice 3: The aquifer map will have the recharge mapping data, so you'll be able to see where the most important areas for groundwater recharge are on the island, and you can look at the sensitive ecosystem, and you can put them together, and you can say, you know, this is where sensitive ecosystem and important aquifer recharge connects.

[1:19:16] Voice 3: And this is really important, but preservation, that could inform your development of current areas, for example.

[1:19:25] Voice 3: So we have, and those are just two types of data that we have.

[1:19:32] Voice 3: We have other things like saltwater intrusion.

[1:19:35] Voice 3: So, you know, if you are considering looking at

[1:19:38] Voice 3: at allowing accessory dwelling units in more places.

[1:19:44] Voice 3: For example, it may not want to put them

[1:19:46] Voice 3: where the water is salty kind of thing.

[1:19:49] Voice 3: So there's gonna be that information

[1:19:52] Voice 3: that's being developed right now by mapping.

[1:19:55] Voice 3: Gabriela has been prioritized because of their OCP project.

[1:20:00] Voice 3: Gabriela, Salt Spring, and Denham

[1:20:03] Voice 3: because of the work that's

[1:20:04] Voice 10: happening right now.

[1:20:06] Voice 3: So hopefully we'll have that information soon. So any, you know, all of the work,

[1:20:14] Voice 3: including whatever topic, we'll find we'll be able to rely on this and this data will be able to help

[1:20:21] Voice 3: to find whatever kind of options there are. Question on

[1:20:30] Voice 5: the technical analysis.

[1:20:31] Voice 5: is um is there

[1:20:42] Voice 3: the opportunity to draw from uh work that's been done before like the 2010

[1:20:50] Voice 3: working group on the target of ocp review that did have quite a bit many people were on that

[1:20:58] Voice 3: working group that are in this community and might be able to provide some some of the

[1:21:05] Voice 3: observations and findings from that or would this just be an in-house sort of analysis?

[1:21:12] Voice 3: Well I mean if we do it right we'll we'll be integrating the information that's coming from

[1:21:21] Voice 3: the community and so that was a particularly important concept I think in my um

[1:21:26] Voice 3: information. So that's why I'm thinking, you know, to this

[1:21:33] Voice 3: visioning, we'll be providing an in-depth framework. And so

[1:21:39] Voice 3: that'll include asking for, well, challenges and

[1:21:44] Voice 3: opportunities. And hopefully that kind of information can be

[1:21:49] Voice 3: captured that way. And that we can also identify in a more

[1:21:54] Voice 3: more focused, we said, focus on the outcomes, you know, that information that would be valid

[1:22:01] Voice 3: for that.

[1:22:03] Voice 3: Well, that's what I'm wondering is the information gathering from sort of the technical side,

[1:22:11] Voice 3: I don't know if that's, because unless it's coming through the HAPC, you know, if it's

[1:22:17] Voice 3: decided that they focus on the housing work that's been done, and the APC is only focused

[1:22:24] Voice 3: focused on engagement, how do we ask the community, what work has been done before?

[1:22:31] Voice 3: Where is the collection of knowledge that repository?

[1:22:38] Voice 3: How is that going to be tapped?

[1:22:42] Voice 3: Yeah, well, and I think there could be an opportunity in like I haven't

[1:22:47] Voice 3: I've started to think a bit about what the input framework,

[1:22:50] Voice 3: we need to provide a framework to provide input.

[1:22:53] Voice 3: put so that's where we could ask very specific questions um to kind of get at what what that is

[1:23:00] Voice 3: and then um and then have to dig deeper on the information that that feels like it will be um

[1:23:06] Voice 3: very important to process yeah so i have a question with regard to the two advisory planning

[1:23:13] Voice 15: committees as well there are some so in our alternatives um i mean i'd probably be fine

[1:23:23] Voice 15: with having the apc as a steering committee but i would not be fine with them being left out

[1:23:30] Voice 15: of the review of previous work and providing us recommendations if the habc is going to be doing

[1:23:37] Voice 15: that the habc is a housing focus group the advisory planning commission looks at everything

[1:23:44] Voice 15: And I would not want

[1:23:47] Voice 3: them to be left out of the same work in Phase 1 or Fall 2020 as what the HABC is doing.

[1:23:56] Voice 3: So,

[1:23:56] Voice 15: great if there's, you know, if the ABC probably could have a steering committee role, but they should also be doing the same work as the HABC, or neither of them should be doing that work.

[1:24:09] Voice 15: right

[1:24:11] Voice 3: yeah so um i'm interested in uh so how would you see the ajp or the apc's role and

[1:24:20] Voice 3: um you

[1:24:24] Voice 14: know if i might add here i was wondering about some of that too and it strikes me that

[1:24:29] Voice 14: there's a collaboration between those two bodies that is important and that i would suggest and

[1:24:37] Voice 14: that's not necessarily said here is that that collaborative role needs to be led by the chairs

[1:24:42] Voice 14: of each of those two committees in order to you don't necessarily want to replicate work

[1:24:49] Voice 14: but you want to know that everybody you

[1:24:51] Voice 3: want to be working together together and

[1:24:53] Voice 3: i think that

[1:24:54] Voice 14: will work through the chairs of those committees what i was thinking as a way to facilitate that

[1:25:00] Voice 14: because i was wondering how that is going to be inclusive we'll think that that's the important

[1:25:07] Voice 14: part is that it'd be inclusive yeah

[1:25:09] Voice 3: yeah totally yeah also the i think the question here is

[1:25:14] Voice 3: what is the best process right now uh to engage both those groups in a way that that we that you

[1:25:22] Voice 3: know we can take full advantage of everything that they that they have to offer i think that's the

[1:25:27] Voice 3: the question and so yeah so

[1:25:29] Voice 15: in recommendation number

[1:25:31] Voice 3: seven on the first page of the staff

[1:25:33] Voice 3: report um it does have more of a fulsome place for the apc

[1:25:39] Voice 15: for example um to review the term

[1:25:41] Voice 15: the reference for their participation um and to collect feedback on

[1:25:46] Voice 3: the engagement strategy

[1:25:47] Voice 3: and communications that's great um yeah i guess the question there i mean because there is a role

[1:25:57] Voice 3: here for them because again I mean this is there's no intention to say you know these are things you

[1:26:03] Voice 3: have to do I think but it's really a conversation like do some ideas and so I think what's what's

[1:26:11] Voice 3: what will be important in this process is that is that the LTC have a clear idea of what they

[1:26:19] Voice 3: would like the both APCs to be contributing to I think that's important so there needs to be a

[1:26:26] Voice 3: like a very clear statement of what you're wanting them to do and then and then we can

[1:26:33] Voice 3: have a conversation with them about how they how they do it um and so the terms of reference can

[1:26:38] Voice 3: reflect um the how you do it apart and so right now um as it's set up we've got basically the way

[1:26:49] Voice 3: that I know, I guess the recommendations are the way I say that my, my, my straw dog idea

[1:26:56] Voice 3: is, is that the APC is playing a steering committee role and is mostly doing engagement

[1:27:01] Voice 3: work. What I'm hearing is maybe, maybe more of a role there. And then the HAPC is just focusing on,

[1:27:08] Voice 3: on the housing. So if we could, we could get, if I could, you know, if we could get,

[1:27:13] Voice 3: if you as a group could identify what you, what you think those roles could be that,

[1:27:18] Voice 3: that would be I think really helpful okay so

[1:27:24] Voice 15: I would agree with that the HAPC should just be

[1:27:27] Voice 15: focusing on housing yeah um

[1:27:29] Voice 15: and the APC perhaps should be looking well probably the initial work

[1:27:35] Voice 15: the APC

[1:27:36] Voice 3: would just be to figure out how to do engagement um and I do see both groups working

[1:27:44] Voice 3: together for sure absolutely I

[1:27:47] Voice 15: don't want to if they if they have really good

[1:27:51] Voice 15: input I don't want to limit either of them

[1:27:53] Voice 4: yeah

[1:27:54] Voice 15: I definitely do not want the

[1:27:58] Voice 15: housing APC to be

[1:28:01] Voice 3: to be sort of doing more work than the APC I want the

[1:28:10] Voice 3: housing APC to be focusing on housing yeah but I would like to see

[1:28:13] Voice 3: collaboration between the two so we could even add to these um terms of reference that that

[1:28:23] Voice 3: actually say to collaborate with the agency to collaborate with that and

[1:28:28] Voice 15: i i have i have a feeling

[1:28:30] Voice 15: that the apc may want may even suggest that we need more committees

[1:28:38] Voice 3: working on this or more focus

[1:28:40] Voice 3: groups it's not a very big group neither of them are very big yeah so again the intention here is

[1:28:47] Voice 3: that um there there would be other groups right and there they would be helping to identify who

[1:28:52] Voice 3: those other groups are because as i understand i mean i i mean i this is my second time on the

[1:28:57] Voice 3: island so i'm relying on everybody else to to help me to to figure out what my role in this is right

[1:29:04] Voice 3: um um uh what i understand is in many many many groups on the island

[1:29:10] Voice 3: yeah and so so so so the the jtc would be helping to identify all of those groups um and um

[1:29:19] Voice 3: and and and they provide a role uh in terms of being able to to answer questions etc yeah

[1:29:29] Voice 3: so um i mean i take your point that we don't want to lend one apc you don't want the uh moral work

[1:29:37] Voice 3: okay but what i would like to point out is that the original terms of reference for the hapc

[1:29:44] Voice 3: included fresh water sustainability included engagement first nations basically the suitable

[1:29:51] Voice 3: land analysis that we're now using as a framework to identify where and in what way is a

[1:30:00] Voice 3: appropriate um growth that is happening to be directed like where can the land handle it that

[1:30:07] Voice 3: was always part of the housing advisory planning commission's mandate it was never to look at

[1:30:13] Voice 3: housing in exclusion of all those other factors and it's supposed to be a pilot project

[1:30:19] Voice 3: across the trust area so i don't want to lose that piece where those terms of reference were

[1:30:27] Voice 3: So I would almost expand the terms of reference to include the previous languaging around considering freshwater and First Nations engagement, because that's still, it's the whole picture context that we're talking about when we're doing land use planning.

[1:30:44] Voice 3: it's not just housing so that's the first piece is that adjusting the terms of reference to

[1:30:51] Voice 3: it's not just housing because it's never just about housing it's where is housing

[1:30:55] Voice 3: um and i like your language about the the input framework i think that's a piece of work that

[1:31:05] Voice 3: could be added to the apc's role so if we're back at the um i have a number of comments so

[1:31:17] Voice 3: are we just kind of meandering through discussion i don't want to take up too much of your time but

[1:31:22] Voice 3: the one it's that the community engagement process and communications and then also

[1:31:32] Voice 3: be sort of holding the oh where do we need to go to get those documents from you know

[1:31:38] Voice 3: climate 12-12-12, they've been doing these round tables, the input framework for how to be asked to

[1:31:44] Voice 3: communicate, that's I think going to be in the role of the ABC as well. I don't, I do have a problem with

[1:31:53] Voice 3: the language of targeted, like targeting groups. Right. Because it's exclusionary, and as much as we

[1:32:01] Voice 3: say that there's 50 or 80 or 100 or 200 groups there are actually far more people who are not

[1:32:09] Voice 3: part of groups who don't come to meetings who don't come to uh stress meetings and if we only

[1:32:15] Voice 3: target groups we are actually leaving out we're leaving out people that just don't belong to

[1:32:22] Voice 3: anything else because they're typically working and so i do support the idea of a more open

[1:32:28] Voice 3: and community process in which basically i'm going to advocate for a hybrid of options one and two

[1:32:35] Voice 3: so i was just hybrid i really i really like the idea of the apc as a steering committee to sort

[1:32:42] Voice 3: of hold the how are we going to do the advancement i love the idea of uh leveraging the passion and

[1:32:49] Voice 3: the power and the focus of all the groups that already exist but there also needs to be i would

[1:32:57] Voice 3: say equal attention to equity seeking groups young families and people who just do not belong in the

[1:33:07] Voice 3: organized spectrum of gay real life and there's a way to reach those people but it's not up to us

[1:33:13] Voice 3: as the ltc or the islands trust to to direct i think um coming up with creative ways like opening

[1:33:23] Voice 3: So opening up the question so that people can come in a way that feels most comfortable to them is a piece that I'd like to see preserved in that first option.

[1:33:36] Voice 3: Not a total open community, not a total open process. I think that'd be wonderful if we had the time to plan it and prepare the community and foreground it and do a lot of good communications, but it could just be a mess if it's not well communicated.

[1:33:52] Voice 3: So I think some structure is needed. I think the APC could really provide that, but I'd like to see some, an open call for submissions. Hey, here's, I could like, here's $150 for a potluck, you know, a

[1:34:07] Voice 3: community potluck where you get together and all they'd like you to know is

[1:34:11] Voice 3: what's your vision for Gabriela?

[1:34:12] Voice 3: what what do you value about this place right and then people who are already holding

[1:34:17] Voice 3: neighborhood potlucks or are just gathering with their friends and neighbors they have a little

[1:34:24] Voice 3: thing and they submit it and there's eight people's responses that's not a survey but it's

[1:34:29] Voice 3: you know and

[1:34:30] Voice 3: we've supported in a in a very productive way communities gathering and

[1:34:35] Voice 3: engaging together feels comfortable i think there should be a contract person to sort of manage

[1:34:43] Voice 3: um the money and the i don't know if that's within the cd but if there could be a contract

[1:34:51] Voice 3: put out for two thousand dollars or something to to handle the justice actually that's something so

[1:34:58] Voice 3: So when I put the community in as expensive, I originally had it more detailed than that piece in, but I just made it a little more broader.

[1:35:09] Voice 3: I'll make note of that.

[1:35:11] Voice 3: So those are just some suggestions.

[1:35:14] Voice 3: I think there's a creative way to do it, but focused and targeted, it to me also implies exclusionary.

[1:35:21] Voice 3: because the same people that participate in all the groups will be the same people that show up

[1:35:26] Voice 3: and that is actually not representative of the general community we need to put some energy into

[1:35:32] Voice 3: who is not coming and and find ways of letting them engage so leave it at that just quick

[1:35:40] Voice 3: question toby um as far as the um communications like a budget for that it wouldn't that be staff

[1:35:50] Voice 3: um well it depends on what kind of communication right i mean if we're talking about um like for

[1:35:58] Voice 3: example if we want to create any kind of um postcards um or or those kinds of things

[1:36:07] Voice 3: there's all another cost and sometimes depending on um depending on how we only want one

[1:36:14] Voice 3: communication person, Morgana, and so if she's got lots of other things we've got to contact the

[1:36:20] Voice 3: graphic artist or we've got somebody on retainer basically so we do have to contract out for

[1:36:26] Voice 3: graphics. She can do graphics but if she's engaged in other work then you need to require that kind

[1:36:32] Voice 3: of work out so that's why you know we do need to have budget for communication. So Toby were you

[1:36:41] Voice 3: thinking of like somebody on gabriola that might be part of the apc or something i mean if there's

[1:36:49] Voice 3: a bit of a contract for a job description that's that could say the role is to show up at

[1:36:58] Voice 3: two community events a month five community events a month and make every effort to

[1:37:06] Voice 3: gather information that fits within the framework that you find a child with

[1:37:11] Voice 3: sort of established vision and values and then they're collecting that to deliver so that we can

[1:37:18] Voice 3: that contributes towards the so the communications material they're not hard I can definitely help

[1:37:25] Voice 3: with that and happily do it for free if it was like a postcard that's handed out at the farm

[1:37:31] Voice 3: table feast and the link to the survey on the back and here's how you can participate this is

[1:37:38] Voice 3: all about your view of your community through the chair that's what we can tap our apc steering

[1:37:51] Voice 3: committee members to help get the information out to the community to say hey we're doing this

[1:37:57] Voice 3: really great for you know i know you haven't had a chance to come talk to us let's do that so

[1:38:02] Voice 3: that's the places and the role that the steering committee members can have the apc

[1:38:12] Voice 3: to help

[1:38:13] Voice 3: hand out stuff, post things, tell us

[1:38:16] Voice 5: where is a

[1:38:16] Voice 3: good place to post things, you know, for sure.

[1:38:21] Voice 3: Yes, we have not

[1:38:22] Voice 3: made good use of either of them, so

[1:38:25] Voice 15: they will be busy.

[1:38:29] Voice 14: I just want to ask a question, because I'm conscious of one, we've got nine recommendations

[1:38:34] Voice 14: recommendations here and whether or not you're hearing uh uh narissa amendments um to any of

[1:38:41] Voice 14: this body of work or or whether or not we're in a place where we can start to advance through this

[1:38:46] Voice 14: and tailor the motions to fit yeah whatever we've got i

[1:38:50] Voice 3: mean that's what i'm feeling like i think i

[1:38:53] Voice 3: think we can we can start to move through these and i think they're that i've made note of some

[1:38:58] Voice 3: of them and then some of the emotions um uh as we move through um so if

[1:39:04] Voice 14: you can assist us with that

[1:39:05] Voice 14: would be really helpful because um i do want because of course the other thing is if it gets

[1:39:13] Voice 14: too complex then we may be obligated to ask you to come back but that's

[1:39:17] Voice 3: going to delay the whole

[1:39:18] Voice 14: thing you don't want

[1:39:19] Voice 3: don't want that so let's try it let's see what we can do yeah um

[1:39:22] Voice 3: are we ready

[1:39:24] Voice 15: Ready to start with some of the recommendations?

[1:39:26] Voice 3: Any time

[1:39:26] Voice 4: you are, I am.

[1:39:27] Voice 4: Well, I'd be happy

[1:39:28] Voice 15: to do the first one.

[1:39:30] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:39:30] Voice 4: I

[1:39:30] Voice 15: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee endorse the project charter for the official community plan and land use bylaw review project, phase one.

[1:39:42] Voice 3: That's amended?

[1:39:43] Voice 3: So I would add

[1:39:44] Voice 4: to that, as

[1:39:45] Voice 3: amended, because I do think that the suggestions that were made by Nancy, they were just suggestions for clarity.

[1:39:54] Voice 3: And they're excellent.

[1:39:55] Voice 15: And I think they're very good.

[1:39:56] Voice 3: So I would...

[1:39:58] Voice 3: As amended by suggestions from Nancy, Heather, and Tim Pierce, for communication clarity.

[1:40:07] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:40:08] Voice 3: Awesome.

[1:40:09] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:40:11] Voice 6: You're satisfied with that?

[1:40:13] Voice 3: And through the chair, this piece will be added as correspondence.

[1:40:17] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:40:17] Voice 3: Can we adjust that?

[1:40:18] Voice 3: Very nice.

[1:40:18] Voice 3: So I'm probably going to look it up.

[1:40:21] Voice 14: Yeah, because I think we need to have a path, a trail.

[1:40:25] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:40:26] Voice 3: Yes, we do, yeah, absolutely, yes.

[1:40:29] Voice 14: Okay, so are we happy to second that

[1:40:33] Voice 3: question?

[1:40:34] Voice 14: Elliot, thank you.

[1:40:35] Voice 14: Is

[1:40:36] Voice 3: there any further discussion?

[1:40:38] Voice 14: Have we got it covered or is there anything else?

[1:40:40] Voice 3: We're good on that one, yeah.

[1:40:42] Voice 3: Just pause.

[1:40:43] Voice 6: We wanna break through without,

[1:40:53] Voice 5: so

[1:40:54] Voice 3: the suitable land and build-out analysis

[1:40:58] Voice 3: isn't in the terms of reference for the HAPC to consider.

[1:41:03] Voice 3: but it i guess it's there because it hasn't been adopted by the rpc you don't have it yet

[1:41:10] Voice 3: yeah okay yeah

[1:41:11] Voice 14: so we're on the project charter piece and there

[1:41:15] Voice 3: may be other

[1:41:16] Voice 14: elements which we

[1:41:17] Voice 14: need to well

[1:41:17] Voice 3: that's what i'm looking at it's it's in there as july september 2023 so so yeah so

[1:41:26] Voice 3: that's so that's the work that's being done by by our mapping staff right um so a review of that

[1:41:37] Voice 3: Okay, I'm just confused as to why it's like right now in the project term it didn't have to be yours, the RPC or somebody else's. The staff would do that.

[1:41:49] Voice 3: the work is happening yeah there was um there was a small amount of money that was allocated

[1:41:55] Voice 3: from the rpc at the last rpc meeting so the work that that is happening um on that the

[1:42:02] Voice 3: methodology developed so yeah all right and just with engagement of first nations so the

[1:42:11] Voice 3: the budget source, $4,000, because we're, again, that can be, we can change it, like we can always

[1:42:25] Voice 3: amend the project charter. We can, okay, as long as

[1:42:29] Voice 3: we get it going. Okay, great, yes,

[1:42:34] Voice 3: that's my question still.

[1:42:37] Voice 14: Yeah, you know, I would like to say this, actually, because I struggled

[1:42:41] Voice 14: with project charters when we first introduced them a hundred years ago and it's to be sure

[1:42:49] Voice 14: that we're directing staff and they work from that unless we amend it that's the direction we

[1:42:55] Voice 14: go and there's opportunity

[1:42:56] Voice 14: to amend and

[1:42:57] Voice 3: to have the business case follow that yeah yeah

[1:43:00] Voice 3: so are

[1:43:02] Voice 14: we okay on this one so can i call the vote all those in favor make action now actually awesome

[1:43:09] Voice 14: Awesome. That's one down. Toby, Elliot?

[1:43:12] Voice 3: You were reaching your business case. I'm not sure how many we've got on that.

[1:43:18] Voice 3: I want to talk about First Nations engagement.

[1:43:23] Voice 14: So this is for the phase two part, right?

[1:43:26] Voice 3: Oh, we do have to. Yeah, I do.

[1:43:28] Voice 3: Yeah. OK, well, we haven't really talked about it because there's a lot of variables with the freshwater analysis.

[1:43:37] Voice 3: Yeah, I can talk about it. We haven't talked about it in this case.

[1:43:40] Voice 3: So I can just go through it, if you have some ideas.

[1:43:46] Voice 3: Yeah, okay, so basically what we're looking at for phase two is really, that's about the

[1:43:56] Voice 3: options identification, data that may be required to examine some of these options. So for example,

[1:44:05] Voice 3: you know, if it's identified, there's interest in a development permit area for whatever

[1:44:18] Voice 3: there's work that would need to be done to kind of identify where, what boundaries would

[1:44:24] Voice 3: be. If there is, for example, in groundwater, also for development permit area, like we've

[1:44:30] Voice 3: We've got a projection EPA, like we've got on going forward on Galeano now, where tech

[1:44:41] Voice 3: will be done.

[1:44:42] Voice 3: So this part is really about looking from the vision, we'll take those, we'll take those

[1:44:47] Voice 3: with the options that kind of emerged from that.

[1:44:51] Voice 3: And then this is the phase to kind of dig down into those options to identify what those

[1:44:56] Voice 3: vital loss are going to be, what's going to be.

[1:44:59] Voice 3: So this is really about, it's more engagement, like I mentioned before, more engagement maybe on some specific things, legal review for some particular legal questions that may emerge on particular topics, and then that additional data piece.

[1:45:14] Voice 3: and so as you've seen and it's kind of strange we're putting here um what we're really hoping

[1:45:20] Voice 3: for um staff are um and then we'll be having a discussion with the regional planning committee

[1:45:28] Voice 3: to um to have a conversation about the um water availability assessment because we've got um

[1:45:35] Voice 3: we've got gabriela and then so right now i'll just step back one one sec here right now we do

[1:45:43] Voice 3: have the groundwater availability, the groundwater recharge data, so that's the work that's been

[1:45:53] Voice 3: done by this year's budget, right? We've got that, so that's the first step for the groundwater

[1:46:02] Voice 3: availability. And so the groundwater availability looks at the recharge and that's like how much

[1:46:07] Voice 3: water is sucked in by the land. And then the additional data looks at how much can we anticipate

[1:46:17] Voice 3: will fall. So it looks at into the future as well as past, how much falls from the ground

[1:46:23] Voice 3: and how much is used. So that's the additional layer. That's very helpful. I use that, we

[1:46:29] Voice 3: have some of that, we had some of that preliminary work done for the southern islands. So I use

[1:46:35] Voice 3: that in for main islands to identify in that case areas where we where we put the flexible

[1:46:41] Voice 3: housing zone which allows an additional unit um um so we looked at that to see where the least

[1:46:48] Voice 3: impact so groundwater would be um and also looking at um uh where there actually you know is water

[1:46:58] Voice 3: water. So it's important data and Gabriela needs it, Denman needs it, and Barnaby needs

[1:47:11] Voice 3: it for projects that are moving forward in the next fiscal. So we'll be, staff will be

[1:47:17] Voice 3: encouraging the Regional Planning Committee to put in a business case for that all to

[1:47:25] Voice 3: be done as a as a unit um but we're we are sort of flagging it as a staff is flagging it to say

[1:47:34] Voice 3: it's it's really needed for these particular processes so so right now it's kind of mentioned

[1:47:40] Voice 3: but it's mentioned in there the amount is estimated um but the likelihood if if

[1:47:47] Voice 3: if regional planning is supportive it will go forward as a

[1:47:55] Voice 3: budget but we haven't had that discussion yet

[1:47:59] Voice 3: okay

[1:48:00] Voice 15: and i had a question and i will always have this question um an overriding concern about we

[1:48:07] Voice 15: have such a lack of development permit areas on this island we're probably lacking more than i

[1:48:13] Voice 15: I don't know, maybe Theta stands last, but honestly.

[1:48:16] Voice 14: Theta is definitely happening.

[1:48:19] Voice 15: Oh, okay, great.

[1:48:21] Voice 15: The thing that I want to see more than anything in the world

[1:48:26] Voice 15: before my term is over is development permit areas

[1:48:29] Voice 15: for Gabriela Island and an updated development application

[1:48:33] Voice 15: information file.

[1:48:35] Voice 15: That is more important to me than anything else we come up with

[1:48:39] Voice 15: for this entire OCP review

[1:48:42] Voice 3: because everything is going to be dependent on how we look at the land

[1:48:48] Voice 3: and the water that sustains it yeah this is going to be the real value of this suitable land

[1:48:53] Voice 3: analysis yeah it's going to give us that clear data um to be able to do that so anyways um

[1:48:59] Voice 3: as i was

[1:49:00] Voice 3: anyways the suitable land analysis i don't know i don't fully understand how

[1:49:07] Voice 3: how that is, for lack of a better word, calculated.

[1:49:12] Voice 3: We haven't really learned that from the regional committee yet,

[1:49:15] Voice 3: how it could be used as a tool and then employed.

[1:49:19] Voice 3: So it's just, you know, we've got in here that it will be used,

[1:49:22] Voice 3: but if we look at an example of one of the applications in this package,

[1:49:29] Voice 3: the 2021.1, there's a steep slopes DPA, the staff recommended,

[1:49:35] Voice 3: sorry, I don't want to refer to it,

[1:49:36] Voice 3: but recommended that we redo the dpa's person steve slopes um so

[1:49:45] Voice 3: it does seem to me that that piece has to come first really before we actually make decisions

[1:49:52] Voice 3: about like

[1:49:55] Planner McCargar: also how

[1:49:56] Voice 3: does that sequence so when the speech looks is another layer right so um um

[1:50:03] Voice 3: And I think what the other report is indicating is that's a priority, right?

[1:50:10] Voice 3: So that's something that you add to the list of your DPAs as a priority.

[1:50:18] Voice 3: And there are things that are clear.

[1:50:21] Voice 3: Like we already have access to a lot of this mapping, like C-clokes, for example.

[1:50:27] Voice 3: the OCP review is an opportunity to have a look at it and say, why don't we have a DPA here, for example.

[1:50:35] Voice 3: With looking at the information we already know, it's also an opportunity to look at the information, you know, where the gaps are, right?

[1:50:41] Voice 3: So if there's gaps in our information, there's an opportunity to have a deeper look into that and use some additional work to, again,

[1:50:53] Voice 3: Again, it could be ultimately informing the development.

[1:51:00] Voice 3: I totally agree.

[1:51:02] Voice 3: I'm just the sequencing, I guess, and maybe this is just a rough timeline.

[1:51:06] Voice 3: Anyways, for updating the DPAs, it's like we need to have the data and we need to have

[1:51:13] Voice 3: the focus groups being able to look at that data to hold into the larger OCP process.

[1:51:23] Voice 3: So again, I mean, I don't know where the data, where the process is right now, but there's

[1:51:28] Voice 3: no reason we can't provide that data.

[1:51:30] Voice 3: So if there's a group that wants to be looking at that, we can provide that data.

[1:51:35] Voice 3: Because it already is, I mean, some of it already is public data.

[1:51:39] Voice 3: And I mean, we provide some of that data in some of our reports already.

[1:51:43] Voice 3: So I mean, the simple is just that it's going to be an easier way to see it all.

[1:51:52] Voice 3: i just wish we could get so your bullet point three preservation of ecosystems both terrestrial

[1:51:58] Voice 3: and marine work will begin with reviewing suitable analysis that's currently being developed

[1:52:04] Voice 3: to update geospatial data i mean this could not be started it already is it is like i said like a lot

[1:52:15] Voice 3: of the maps exist will

[1:52:17] Voice 14: be provided yeah

[1:52:18] Voice 3: yeah okay yeah great

[1:52:20] Voice 14: good so did we identify the amendments

[1:52:24] Voice 14: to advance the second recommendation and look at where you can

[1:52:28] Voice 6: address that

[1:52:30] Voice 6: yeah

[1:52:31] Voice 3: okay

[1:52:34] Voice 6: seeking that clarity yeah and

[1:52:37] Voice 3: i think the biggest question here is is twenty five

[1:52:40] Voice 3: thousand dollars yeah yeah yeah we should get the oxygen and then the details okay well i'm

[1:52:49] Voice 3: prepared to make the motion that the gabrielle island local trust committee endorsed the business

[1:52:55] Voice 3: case for the official community plan and land use bylaw review project phase two okay

[1:53:02] Voice 5: second that

[1:53:05] Voice 3: well i'll second it to discuss it yeah i think we should add water availability assessment

[1:53:11] Voice 3: spent in addition to the project of 75 000 and if that comes through rpc and is endorsed by council

[1:53:20] Voice 3: then it's taken

[1:53:21] Voice 3: care of but i think putting it into the business case or the money the business

[1:53:28] Voice 3: case to state that this is important no this is critical to the work i think is important i don't

[1:53:34] Voice 3: yeah

[1:53:34] Voice 4: so we want to keep it in so yeah so

[1:53:37] Voice 15: i was going to say that too but i wasn't sure whether

[1:53:40] Voice 15: we had to add that as an extra emotion or whether it included in this

[1:53:44] Voice 3: yeah yeah let's keep it in

[1:53:46] Voice 3: there and um i mean it's conversation to be had with rpc and it's uh i've been having this

[1:53:52] Voice 3: conversation it's sort of this conversation that we're having internally about how we pitch this

[1:53:56] Voice 3: we want to make sure that yours and denman's and hormy is recognized to be important part of their

[1:54:02] Voice 3: of their

[1:54:03] Voice 3: um of their process okay perfect

[1:54:06] Voice 15: do we need to add that as an amendment or just assume

[1:54:09] Voice 3: assume that it's going to be in there um is

[1:54:13] Voice 14: it in the business case at this time it is

[1:54:16] Voice 3: yeah it is i'm thinking that it's just great

[1:54:22] Voice 3: okay so

[1:54:26] Voice 14: then are we good yeah all those in favor wait

[1:54:29] Voice 15: we have a second today

[1:54:30] Voice 15: yes

[1:54:31] Voice 14: we did a second different discussion and so now all those in favor and that two carries

[1:54:36] Voice 14: um so you know i apologize but cognizant of uh coming up for a break i would like to conclude

[1:54:44] Voice 14: this section before because i also anticipate we have applicants that are expecting us to

[1:54:50] Voice 14: start an application to one o'clock so

[1:54:52] Voice 3: uh sheldon um for the next one yeah there was

[1:54:58] Voice 3: there was a there was a table area

[1:55:00] Voice 14: that's option two option

[1:55:02] Voice 3: two structured community

[1:55:04] Voice 3: the community engagement process and I and I think so

[1:55:10] Voice 14: the name of that also needs to be changed

[1:55:12] Voice 14: right okay great yeah

[1:55:13] Voice 3: yeah just still targeted yes yeah and also just picking up on on trustee

[1:55:22] Voice 3: Elliott's comment there I think I would maybe say option two is record the engagement process

[1:55:28] Voice 3: us um to

[1:55:30] Voice 6: include include um open

[1:55:36] Voice 3: call for submissions okay yeah

[1:55:39] Voice 15: um or can we the widest

[1:55:41] Voice 15: possible engagement from this community well

[1:55:46] Voice 14: you don't need to drill into that

[1:55:48] Voice 14: level i think

[1:55:48] Voice 14: because we are obligated as a local government to do for the community cost

[1:55:58] Voice 14: I like it.

[1:56:00] Voice 3: Do

[1:56:01] Voice 14: one of you want to articulate that and make sure that Lisa gets it?

[1:56:05] Voice 3: With the APC, and that includes the APC being a steering committee?

[1:56:11] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:56:12] Voice 3: APC to support.

[1:56:13] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:56:14] Voice 4: I thought

[1:56:14] Voice 3: APC to support process.

[1:56:16] Voice 3: I'd really like them to be the leadership, to be honest.

[1:56:20] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:56:21] Voice 3: There's a

[1:56:21] Voice 6: review where we

[1:56:22] Voice 3: can address that.

[1:56:23] Voice 3: Oh, okay.

[1:56:24] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:56:25] Voice 6: Oh, right.

[1:56:26] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:56:28] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:56:30] Voice 3: So that there is an option to with structures.

[1:56:44] Voice 3: the structured community engagement process with an open call to community or non-affiliated

[1:56:58] Voice 3: community members with an open call to include an open call to non-affiliated community members.

[1:57:13] Voice 14: So maybe let's make sure Lisa's got this.

[1:57:15] Voice 14: And so we want to start from the beginning

[1:57:17] Voice 14: and just read it out.

[1:57:18] Voice 3: The Gabriel Island local traffic area

[1:57:21] Voice 3: indoors engagement option two,

[1:57:23] Voice 3: structured community engagement process

[1:57:25] Voice 3: to include all those conditions.

[1:57:28] Voice 3: And I was planning

[1:57:30] Voice 6: to put it into

[1:57:31] Voice 3: the open call.

[1:57:32] Voice 3: Yeah, can I make that point now?

[1:57:35] Voice 3: So we're good with that?

[1:57:36] Voice 3: So we made that motion, I second it.

[1:57:38] Voice 14: Okay, any further discussion?

[1:57:40] Voice 3: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:57:42] Voice 14: All

[1:57:42] Voice 6: those in favor?

[1:57:44] Voice 14: that

[1:57:44] Voice 6: also carries excellent good

[1:57:46] Voice 4: um

[1:57:47] Voice 6: do you want to speak to item recommendation number four

[1:57:54] Voice 14: oh

[1:57:54] Voice 3: yeah so it's a little straight forward i mean we have we i haven't provided i said

[1:57:58] Voice 3: first initial engagement but there's no um process for that yet so this is really

[1:58:03] Voice 3: just about requesting staff to provide some options yeah this is a match

[1:58:08] Voice 6: yeah yeah um

[1:58:11] Voice 3: I'll move that. I guess with the caveat, I would like to add that we're looking for a long-term engagement person to be there as one of these two. That doesn't make sense to, you know, piecemeal it, right?

[1:58:27] Voice 3: Well, yeah, so I think what needs to happen, because I think we need to think about what, again, what the options are, which will include.

[1:58:38] Voice 3: include um so now as renee mentioned earlier um we've got letters that have gone up to first

[1:58:44] Voice 3: nations and so in those we've we've identified um we've identified that gabriel that has an

[1:58:51] Voice 3: ocp review process and asks how they would like to be engaged there's a follow-up to that so um

[1:58:57] Voice 3: so i'll be following up and in that hopefully um get a sense of of how they want to be engaged and

[1:59:06] Voice 3: and that could include any number of options.

[1:59:08] Voice 3: So that's what I'm thinking.

[1:59:09] Voice 7: And that the LTC would like to make a delegation

[1:59:13] Voice 7: to the council.

[1:59:14] Voice 3: Yes, yes, we can combine that conversation.

[1:59:19] Voice 3: Okay, that's great.

[1:59:20] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:59:21] Voice 3: So the mention that we're going into an OCP review,

[1:59:24] Voice 3: is that up to the limits of introduction?

[1:59:26] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:59:29] Voice 14: So does somebody want to make that motion?

[1:59:31] Voice 15: So I'm prepared to make this motion.

[1:59:32] Voice 15: There's a little typo.

[1:59:33] Voice 15: I think you don't need the word at before First Nations.

[1:59:38] Voice 15: So I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to provide options

[1:59:44] Voice 15: for engaging First Nations in the official community plan and land use bylaw review project

[1:59:50] Voice 15: phase one and phase two.

[1:59:53] Voice 14: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[1:59:55] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:59:58] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[2:00:00] Voice 6: So that also carries.

[2:00:01] Voice 6: You

[2:00:01] Voice 14: got that, Lisa?

[2:00:03] Voice 14: So can we move to item five?

[2:00:07] Voice 3: I'm happy with this one.

[2:00:09] Voice 3: I'm just wondering if the housing toolkit would also be part of this.

[2:00:17] Voice 3: With this for the APC?

[2:00:19] Voice 3: Oh, APC.

[2:00:19] Voice 3: Sorry.

[2:00:20] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:00:21] Voice 3: Part of the, yeah.

[2:00:24] Voice 3: So I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee refer the July 20th staff report to the APC for fee.

[2:00:33] Voice 3: feedback by September 1st, 2020. I'd like it to be earlier, but it's

[2:00:40] Voice 15: coming up soon.

[2:00:41] Voice 3: There's no

[2:00:41] Voice 3: time to dive into it and then come back. When's our next meeting in September?

[2:00:50] Voice 3: Early. Because I'd like to have their recommendations by that meeting, if possible,

[2:00:55] Voice 3: through the chair. Yeah. Thank you.

[2:00:59] Voice 3: So we're good.

[2:01:03] Voice 6: I think it's been planned.

[2:01:05] Voice 3: keep that away so that's enough time to put in the recommendation right back yes of course okay

[2:01:14] Voice 3: on the

[2:01:14] Voice 3: engagement strategy identification of groups just really targeted identification of

[2:01:22] Voice 3: groups and community members for our engagements and communications okay

[2:01:32] Voice 14: so you're amending the

[2:01:33] Voice 14: motion that's

[2:01:34] Voice 14: presented so let's be really clear so Lisa can get it

[2:01:36] Voice 3: uh identification of groups

[2:01:41] Voice 3: and the broader community how can you identify the broader community because there's demographics

[2:01:48] Voice 3: that aren't parent groups there's why okay

[2:01:52] Voice 15: there's like okay

[2:01:53] Voice 3: I don't you want to identify

[2:01:55] Voice 3: we want to reach you know parents of preschoolers they're not necessarily part of the group so if

[2:02:01] Voice 3: you limited them as a group identification of groups and the broader community for engagement

[2:02:07] Voice 3: and communications and i would like to add this but to be discussed a process for reaching

[2:02:15] Voice 3: underrepresented equals underrepresented

[2:02:22] Voice 6: members okay

[2:02:24] Voice 5: because we're asking the apc to do that okay

[2:02:28] Voice 6: that

[2:02:32] Voice 5: leaves it open to them

[2:02:33] Voice 5: to come up with

[2:02:35] Voice 5: ideas

[2:02:35] Voice 5: yeah

[2:02:36] Voice 14: I'm just

[2:02:40] Voice 14: worried about using the word process

[2:02:41] Voice 14: and that maybe

[2:02:44] Voice 3: it

[2:02:45] Voice 14: would be suggested

[2:02:46] Voice 3: I don't say

[2:02:48] Voice 3: groups and broader

[2:02:50] Voice 3: community members including

[2:02:53] Voice 3: underrepresented

[2:02:54] Voice 3: underrepresented

[2:02:56] Voice 3: yes thank you

[2:02:58] Voice 3: but not

[2:02:59] Voice 3: broader just community members

[2:03:01] Voice 3: yeah

[2:03:01] Voice 3: So

[2:03:02] Voice 6: let's have you read that back.

[2:03:04] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[2:03:23] Voice 5: The

[2:03:27] Voice 3: Vigilio Island Local Trust Committee referred the July 29th staff report to the APC for feedback by September 1st, 2023 on the engagement strategy,

[2:03:39] Voice 3: study on the engagement strategy, identification of groups and community members, including

[2:03:48] Voice 3: underrepresented people's engagement.

[2:03:51] Voice 3: That doesn't make sense grammatically.

[2:03:53] Planner McCargar: And

[2:03:54] Voice 3: of community members?

[2:03:56] Voice 3: Through the share and community, including underrepresented members?

[2:04:04] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:04:07] Voice 3: And the broader community, including underrepresented members.

[2:04:13] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:04:23] Voice 6: Maybe

[2:04:24] Voice 5: I'll just ask

[2:04:25] Voice 14: you, Lisa, because it's

[2:04:26] Voice 3: important to read it one more

[2:04:27] Voice 14: time so that we're sure.

[2:04:28] Voice 14: word

[2:04:28] Voice 3: that the gabriel island local trust committee referred in july 20 and staff reported to the apc

[2:04:34] Voice 3: for feedback by september 1st 2023 on the engagement strategy identification groups

[2:04:43] Voice 3: and the broader community including under under representative members with recommendations

[2:04:49] Voice 3: for

[2:04:50] Voice 3: engagement and communications phase one we did say well you asked for feedback on an engagement

[2:04:58] Voice 3: strategy that we don't have so i would actually be back on engagement on the engagement strategy

[2:05:05] Voice 3: is that right crazy but we don't there isn't an engagement well we've got a draft

[2:05:10] Voice 3: sure draft how about um engagement options we've got a this is a so we've got the engagement

[2:05:20] Voice 3: sure thank you because the strategy implied that we're writing it yeah

[2:05:27] Voice 3: So Lisa,

[2:05:28] Voice 14: if you don't mind, from the comma, identification.

[2:05:32] Voice 3: Comma,

[2:05:33] Voice 14: identification of

[2:05:34] Voice 3: groups and the broader community, including underrepresented members, with feedback for engagement options, phase one.

[2:05:44] Voice 3: All right.

[2:05:45] Voice 3: Phase one.

[2:05:46] Voice 3: Perfect.

[2:05:47] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:05:47] Voice 4: I so move.

[2:05:48] Voice 14: So moved.

[2:05:49] Voice 3: I'll second.

[2:05:51] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:05:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:52] Voice 14: Do you want to discuss it any further?

[2:05:54] Voice 14: No.

[2:05:54] Voice 3: All

[2:05:55] Voice 14: those in favor?

[2:05:56] Voice 3: I'm going to have to start.

[2:05:57] Voice 14: thank you everybody so that carries with

[2:06:00] Voice 3: the chair we may need a point of clarification

[2:06:03] Voice 3: just to confirm please if you read that resolution again for it that the gabriel island local trust

[2:06:09] Voice 3: committee referred the july 20th staff report to the abc for feedback by september 1 20.3

[2:06:16] Voice 3: on the engagement strategy on the engagement options yeah you're right thank you okay so

[2:06:24] Voice 14: we're changing one word there from strategy to options okay

[2:06:28] Voice 3: so

[2:06:29] Voice 14: i'm okay with that yeah yeah

[2:06:33] Voice 3: that's what i thought we voted on so that's all right good okay one

[2:06:38] Voice 3: more time i'm finding three

[2:06:39] Voice 3: i think

[2:06:41] Voice 14: we're good with it we're carrying yeah we carried on the motion that's what everybody

[2:06:45] Voice 14: thought they were doing yeah

[2:06:47] Voice 3: thank you wonder woman so that

[2:06:49] Voice 14: brings us to item number six

[2:06:51] Voice 14: I

[2:06:52] Voice 3: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee refer the materials related to the housing options and impact review process to the HAPC by January 20.4, and post the relevant staff reports to the website.

[2:07:18] Voice 3: Oh, right.

[2:07:18] Voice 3: Right, okay.

[2:07:20] Voice 3: And post the, basically the project in its entirety

[2:07:22] Voice 3: has been sent

[2:07:23] Voice 3: back to folks.

[2:07:24] Voice 3: And sent back to folks to get it on the trust website.

[2:07:29] Voice 3: Yeah, so the

[2:07:31] Voice 3: whole community can look at it,

[2:07:33] Voice 3: talk about it, and think about it.

[2:07:35] Voice 14: We're gonna let Alicia read that back.

[2:07:38] Voice 3: And that the Gabriel and Ida Local Trust Committee

[2:07:40] Voice 3: refer the materials related to the housing options

[2:07:43] Voice 3: and impact review process for review and feedback

[2:07:46] Voice 3: to the HAPC by January, 2024,

[2:07:49] Voice 3: for and for staff to post

[2:07:51] Voice 3: to the website.

[2:07:53] Voice 3: Relevant materials. Post the

[2:07:55] Voice 3: project materials to the website.

[2:07:57] Voice 3: The project materials were

[2:07:58] Voice 3: saved because it was always assumed

[2:08:01] Voice 3: that it was going to be continued.

[2:08:03] Voice 14: Project materials.

[2:08:04] Voice 3: That's satisfactory.

[2:08:06] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:08:08] Voice 3: I'll second that.

[2:08:10] Voice 14: Salute by Elliot, seconded by Yates.

[2:08:13] Voice 14: Any further discussion?

[2:08:15] Voice 14: All those in favour?

[2:08:16] Voice 14: That also carries unanimously.

[2:08:17] Voice 14: street hold on item 70 ready for that one

[2:08:27] Voice 3: to be considered for that is so here this resolution is asking for um uh a meeting to

[2:08:37] Voice 3: be set up to refer to to review the terms of reference for um the uh the apc and the following

[2:08:43] Voice 3: one will be for the hapc so um the question is do you feel comfortable with the uh with the terms of

[2:08:51] Voice 3: reference as they are um um there was in the discussion we did talk about a couple of points

[2:08:58] Voice 3: to add to the terms of reference for the advisory high committee and one was um

[2:09:07] Voice 3: It would be to work with staff on the development of input on the input frameworks.

[2:09:16] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:09:18] Voice 3: And then the other one was to collaborate with the HAPC.

[2:09:23] Voice 3: And so that would also be on the HAPC.

[2:09:28] Voice 3: So

[2:09:28] Voice 14: you're suggesting we include that in this motion?

[2:09:31] Voice 3: You don't have to include it in the motion.

[2:09:33] Voice 3: I'm just trying to get clarification.

[2:09:34] Voice 14: clarification what i

[2:09:36] Voice 3: what i'm what i'm passing on to them and it just we can just it it's that if

[2:09:40] Voice 3: you're feeling comfortable with that yeah the

[2:09:42] Voice 3: other thing is this is a terms of reference i

[2:09:44] Voice 3: mean if there's also an opportunity you want to make further amendments or changes um you can

[2:09:50] Voice 3: just tell me before we move it forward but if if you're if i know that you're comfortable now then

[2:09:56] Voice 3: it's okay so

[2:09:57] Voice 15: we can move seven and eight forward and assume that those amendments we discussed

[2:10:02] Voice 15: earlier are part of this correct excellent okay i

[2:10:06] Voice 15: move that gabriela island local trust committee

[2:10:08] Voice 15: request staff schedule an orientation meeting for the advisory planning commission to review

[2:10:14] Voice 15: the terms uh should be a guest there of reference for their participation in the gabriela island

[2:10:20] Voice 15: official community plan and land use bylaw review and collect feedback on the engagement strategy

[2:10:27] Voice 15: and communications, phase one.

[2:10:30] Voice 3: All right, moved.

[2:10:33] Voice 6: Seconded.

[2:10:34] Voice 6: Trustee Elliott, discussion.

[2:10:38] Voice 6: Okay, all those in favor?

[2:10:41] Voice 3: Did you say input framework?

[2:10:44] Voice 3: And then?

[2:10:45] Voice 3: No.

[2:10:46] Voice 3: We put input framework into the engagement,

[2:10:49] Voice 3: into the, yeah, to the front.

[2:10:50] Voice 3: Yeah, okay, perfect.

[2:10:51] Voice 3: Thank you, that's why I had it.

[2:10:53] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:10:53] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:10:54] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:10:54] Voice 14: that carries unanimously.

[2:10:56] Voice 14: And number eight.

[2:10:58] Voice 14: I

[2:10:59] Voice 15: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff schedule an orientation meeting for the Housing Advisory Planning Commission to review the terms of reference for their participation in the Gabriela Island Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law

[2:11:15] Voice 3: Review Phase 1.

[2:11:17] Voice 14: Moved. Seconded.

[2:11:20] Voice 3: thing came because i'm actually reading the terms of reference for the previous hapc so what

[2:11:37] Voice 3: so that so if i can just read out it's four points um it actually doesn't talk about your including

[2:11:44] Voice 3: all of this i think that's in the background materials that were provided to that so i was

[2:11:51] Voice 3: mistaken in saying that the terms of reference included all of these things it was about

[2:11:55] Voice 3: assisting the LTC the engagement of an engagement and communication strategy so they originally were

[2:12:02] Voice 3: tasked with how do you want to engage they came up with the strategy to inform the topic priorities

[2:12:08] Voice 3: the schedule of consultation um they were to review summary of findings from the community

[2:12:17] Voice 3: engagement sessions draft policies and regulations and provide advice and recommendations on the

[2:12:23] Voice 3: policy regulations. So I'm not

[2:12:31] Voice 6: sure I think just go with is as

[2:12:34] Voice 3: written.

[2:12:39] Voice 3: So again, the

[2:12:40] Voice 3: suggests that it is for the terms of

[2:12:46] Voice 3: records and also

[2:12:47] Voice 3: before we're creating the service records to them. If

[2:12:49] Voice 3: there's there are other things we want to be like David

[2:12:53] Voice 15: suggestions.

[2:13:00] Voice 6: so i think i that was moved and seconded yeah

[2:13:03] Voice 3: there was some confused yes that's okay

[2:13:06] Voice 3: we

[2:13:07] Voice 14: want to be clear that's good so then i'll call for the vote all those in favor

[2:13:11] Voice 14: so that carries so we have one remaining wow

[2:13:17] Voice 15: i'm happy to move this that the gabriela island

[2:13:20] Voice 15: local trust committee requests staff schedule a soft launch of the project in september 2023

[2:13:26] Voice 15: 23 and develop the related

[2:13:28] Voice 15: managing and communications

[2:13:30] Voice 3: materials.

[2:13:33] Voice 3: I'm a seconder.

[2:13:34] Voice 3: With trustees? Absolutely.

[2:13:38] Voice 3: As you know, as soon as this meeting ends,

[2:13:40] Voice 3: I'm going to be like...

[2:13:43] Voice 3: So we're

[2:13:44] Voice 7: having a word

[2:13:44] Voice 7: with trustees?

[2:13:45] Voice 3: We don't have to...

[2:13:46] Voice 3: No,

[2:13:47] Voice 7: you won't work with us.

[2:13:48] Voice 3: I won't work with you.

[2:13:50] Voice 3: Do you have

[2:13:51] Voice 3: a question, though? Aren't you gone?

[2:13:54] Voice 3: I've gone

[2:13:55] Voice 3: Yes, so later in September would be the better, would be the better time.

[2:14:02] Voice 6: I'll

[2:14:02] Voice 3: develop my materials in MECON and then by September 1st.

[2:14:07] Voice 3: Okay, I'm expecting you to approve.

[2:14:11] Voice 3: The other important follow up question for me here is, is there, I know Susan, you were talking about an event later in September.

[2:14:22] Voice 3: there was when there's the farm to table thing um that i can't afford to go to it's really

[2:14:30] Voice 3: expensive that's why i

[2:14:31] Voice 3: serve at hb volunteer sheriff it's a lot of fun i usually do behind

[2:14:36] Voice 3: um there were a couple of events in september um that were considered as possibility yeah and

[2:14:44] Voice 3: there's a ball fair there's usually a ball fair at the comics and that sounded to me like it was

[2:14:50] Voice 3: later in September. Would that be an appropriate

[2:14:52] Voice 3: time, do you think, to target

[2:14:54] Voice 3: for

[2:14:56] Voice 3: some communications launch

[2:14:58] Voice 3: on the film?

[2:15:00] Voice 3: Probably.

[2:15:00] Voice 14: You

[2:15:01] Voice 3: guys

[2:15:04] Voice 14: have some conversation in the next

[2:15:06] Voice 3: Yeah, we'll follow up with that.

[2:15:09] Voice 3: So

[2:15:09] Voice 14: can I get that

[2:15:10] Voice 14: motion then?

[2:15:12] Voice 15: You did

[2:15:12] Voice 14: already. I moved it.

[2:15:13] Voice 14: Oh, so

[2:15:13] Voice 14: you're seconded? Okay.

[2:15:15] Voice 14: No further discussion?

[2:15:17] Voice 14: All in favor?

[2:15:19] Voice 14: That's awesome.

[2:15:23] Voice 3: So

[2:15:24] Voice 14: we're about 15 minutes late for our lunch break here.

[2:15:28] Voice 14: I'm just going to ask the question because it's not a responsibility.

[2:15:32] Voice 14: Do we need a conversation about this Gabriella ecological protection zone update,

[2:15:38] Voice 14: which is ostensibly to approve the comments that we have had that conversation?

[2:15:45] Voice 14: Or do you want to have a discussion?

[2:15:46] Voice 14: Can we just do that?

[2:15:47] Voice 14: Or do you want to have a discussion about it after lunch?

[2:15:49] Voice 14: keeping in mind we're holding back

[2:15:52] Voice 3: sorry what page are we on page 34 right oh yeah and through

[2:15:56] Voice 3: the chair um planner planner steve on my questions

[2:16:01] Voice 15: for this item right now he's oh yes there he is

[2:16:04] Voice 15: okay we better do it now let's

[2:16:07] Voice 14: do it now and i i don't perceive it'll be too lengthy so uh steven

[2:16:11] Voice 14: we've received this uh report here and um uh why don't you just brief us um to determine whether

[2:16:20] Voice 14: whether or not we can advance this

[2:16:21] Voice 14: based on the recommendation.

[2:16:24] Voice 2: Sure, sure.

[2:16:25] Voice 2: I'll give you a, just a brief overview.

[2:16:27] Voice 2: So the purpose of this report is to seek clarity

[2:16:30] Voice 2: on a resolution related

[2:16:31] Voice 2: to the ecological protection zone project.

[2:16:34] Voice 2: At the March 30th meeting,

[2:16:36] Voice 2: the LTC requested staff to refer by-law 313,

[2:16:40] Voice 2: that's the ecological protection zone by-law

[2:16:43] Voice 2: to the regional district of Nanaimo's parks

[2:16:46] Voice 2: and open spaces advisory committee.

[2:16:49] Voice 2: So although staff have not received response from this specific committee, we did receive a response from RDN staff and the Electoral Area Director.

[2:16:59] Voice 2: So staff are just seeking a decision from the LTC on whether those comments that we received from the staff and the Electoral Area Director are sufficient,

[2:17:08] Voice 2: or if that fulfills the intent of that March resolution,

[2:17:13] Voice 2: or if the LTC would like to ensure

[2:17:15] Voice 2: that that specific committee does receive the referral,

[2:17:18] Voice 2: which would most likely happen in October of this year.

[2:17:23] Voice 14: Okay, thank

[2:17:23] Voice 2: you, Stephen.

[2:17:25] Voice 4: Are

[2:17:26] Voice 2: there any questions

[2:17:26] Voice 5: from the LTC members?

[2:17:33] Voice 5: Question, but I don't know.

[2:17:37] Voice 3: I do think this is actually important

[2:17:42] Voice 3: to refer to POSAC because they are community members and that conceivably the definitions

[2:17:51] Voice 3: within the ecological protection zone specifically of passive recreation could potentially apply

[2:18:01] Voice 3: to other areas that that's that was the main question was that passive recreation had these

[2:18:11] Voice 3: varying degrees of definition is it electric bikes is it horses what is passive recreation

[2:18:18] Voice 3: and then if that definition is landed on it applies it could be applied to other parks and

[2:18:23] Voice 3: that would affect those apps so getting community members feedback i think is is actually important

[2:18:29] Voice 3: but i don't know how strong the rdn director's staff and comments were um on that topic

[2:18:40] Voice 3: without seeing them i don't we don't see them they're not here so

[2:18:46] Voice 14: oh right that yeah so steven

[2:18:50] Voice 14: that i that appendix was not attached to our document i'm wondering whether or not we might

[2:18:55] Voice 14: see that over our lunch break is that a possibility sure

[2:19:00] Voice 2: yeah i can forward that to you

[2:19:02] Voice 2: and i can just briefly just mention although i'll forward it to you regardless but is it lengthy

[2:19:08] Voice 14: see Stephen

[2:19:09] Voice 2: it's um I don't have it right in front of me it's not uh no I think you could

[2:19:15] Voice 2: you could review it fairly okay so maybe what we should do is just

[2:19:19] Voice 3: um defer to that till after

[2:19:24] Voice 3: before

[2:19:25] Voice 6: the end of the

[2:19:25] Voice 3: meeting I can suggest maybe um planners can give a very brief summary summary

[2:19:33] Voice 3: you can I think

[2:19:34] Voice 3: he's prepared to do that just to help you that okay

[2:19:37] Voice 14: that would be fantastic so

[2:19:39] Voice 14: let's have a is that okay yeah

[2:19:40] Voice 3: let's have a summary

[2:19:41] Voice 14: because

[2:19:43] Voice 3: i like a proper lunch break

[2:19:44] Voice 3: but not having to read something like yeah yeah i understood so

[2:19:48] Voice 2: just just quickly then um there is

[2:19:52] Voice 2: it did the response did address that definition of passive recreation um since it does impact

[2:19:58] Voice 2: rdn parks that are within the passive recreation zone um and the other kind of main topic area that

[2:20:05] Voice 2: that came up in that response is just the impact on of the bylaw on park infrastructure such as

[2:20:11] Voice 2: water lines parking lots and bridges things like of that sort in those RDN parks so those are those

[2:20:20] Voice 2: were the two common areas we haven't staff haven't analyzed this response at this point we just were

[2:20:27] Voice 2: looking for direction from the LTC on whether kind of who they're hoping to hear from if it's that

[2:20:33] Voice 2: that committee or if it's um yeah the staff and the electoral area director i

[2:20:42] Voice 3: don't want to see

[2:20:43] Voice 3: the project delayed anymore but i do think it's an important point but i would prefer to see

[2:20:50] Voice 3: got a lot more knowledge about it yeah goes back six years i

[2:20:55] Voice 15: guess you know at this point um i do

[2:20:58] Voice 15: not want to see it delayed anymore and i don't know if i need to see the parks and open spaces

[2:21:04] Voice 15: advisory committee recommendations because this is an ecological protection zone it's hardly going

[2:21:10] Voice 15: to apply to any place at all in the gabriel local test area it's only going to apply to the most

[2:21:16] Voice 15: minimal of spaces where we are desperately trying to keep human animal pet intrusion

[2:21:24] Voice 15: out of some very sensitive areas and if we start talking about electric bikes or motorized scooters

[2:21:32] Voice 15: or bicycles like that to me is just off the table

[2:21:36] Voice 3: if

[2:21:37] Voice 15: it does apply to places like elder cedar for

[2:21:42] Voice 15: example well elder cedar already has lots of human traffic and lots of pet traffic we're not going to

[2:21:50] Voice 15: go back and change that that will remain

[2:21:52] Voice 5: so

[2:21:55] Voice 3: i i think we need to move ahead with this thank you

[2:21:59] Voice 6: want to make the motion just a

[2:22:00] Voice 3: question for about um isn't okay so if we define passive recreation

[2:22:08] Voice 3: in this zone can that be is that necessarily applied to all of the parts with passive

[2:22:15] Voice 3: recreation are we changing um that's that's what i'm asking is is passive recreation in

[2:22:24] Voice 3: ecological zone might be one thing, passive recreation in a park, in a

[2:22:29] Voice 3: recreational park, but that's why the referral to POSAC was

[2:22:33] Voice 3: potentially because of how your bikes were brought up. So I'm asking does it

[2:22:36] Voice 3: implicate other parks if we narrow passive recreation to exclude

[2:22:42] Voice 3: let's say, which I agree with you

[2:22:44] Voice 15: shouldn't be in

[2:22:45] Voice 15: nature reserves. So and in this like this ecological

[2:22:49] Voice 15: protection zone is supposed to have, it was supposed to be kind of a unique

[2:22:53] Voice 15: zone as well as a holding zone for possible properties in the future which who knows but

[2:23:01] Voice 15: it wasn't supposed to

[2:23:03] Voice 3: impact all the other parks okay and you know i mean maybe it does

[2:23:07] Voice 3: my mistake but

[2:23:09] Voice 2: yeah through the chair i i don't know the

[2:23:12] Voice 14: i

[2:23:13] Voice 2: think that's that's the challenge of

[2:23:16] Voice 2: the term that was decided um kind of historically in the project to be used was passive recreation

[2:23:22] Voice 2: recreation and and that term does show up in other zones as a permitted use in particular

[2:23:29] Voice 2: the passive recreation zone and so as we're crafting an ecological protection zone with a

[2:23:36] Voice 2: different intent it might make sense to kind of amend the the term that we use to something

[2:23:43] Voice 2: different and I don't know what exactly that term might be but then we might have we'd avoid that

[2:23:49] Voice 2: that issue then of having this particular definition

[2:23:53] Voice 2: apply to other areas where it might not be desirable.

[2:23:58] Voice 15: I have a suggestion.

[2:24:00] Voice 15: Can we ask for, can we defer this?

[2:24:02] Voice 15: Even though I don't want to defer it any longer,

[2:24:04] Voice 15: it's already been six years.

[2:24:06] Voice 15: Can we defer this for staff advice on finding something

[2:24:11] Voice 15: that applies to the ecological protection zone,

[2:24:14] Voice 3: So, but not to other recreational parks.

[2:24:20] Voice 3: Yeah, non-motorized recreation with like,

[2:24:25] Voice 14: we

[2:24:25] Voice 15: just, we need some staff to fight on this.

[2:24:28] Voice 15: So,

[2:24:28] Voice 14: you know, I'm going to suggest

[2:24:30] Voice 14: that we defer this conversation further

[2:24:32] Voice 14: until later in today's meeting

[2:24:34] Voice 14: to determine what that direction is.

[2:24:36] Voice 14: You can reflect on that

[2:24:37] Voice 14: and we should go for a break now

[2:24:39] Voice 14: as we've got people that have already shown up

[2:24:41] Voice 14: expecting us to start at one o'clock.

[2:24:44] Voice 14: and uh i apologize to all of you that we are running behind

[2:24:48] Voice 7: so

[2:24:49] Voice 14: let us break do we want a half

[2:24:51] Voice 14: an hour or can we suffer through less can i look to staff but

[2:24:56] Voice 3: just agree with the chair um so you'll

[2:24:58] Voice 3: defer any decision on this report after perfect after applications

[2:25:03] Voice 3: yeah i want

[2:25:05] Voice 14: to prioritize

[2:25:06] Voice 14: applications because folks are here to hear about things and

[2:25:08] Voice 3: regarding break we have half an hour

[2:25:12] Voice 3: allocated um so

[2:25:15] Voice 14: then we'll come back at 1 25. yeah

[2:25:19] Voice 14: so apologies to those of you that are here

[2:25:22] Voice 14: for one o'clock um just want to let you know that item 8.2 on our agenda which is uh gabriella

[2:25:27] Voice 14: temporary permit 20 23.1 taylor has been withdrawn by the applicant today so if any of you are here

[2:25:35] Voice 14: for this that has been withdrawn for today and will presumably come up at a future meeting um

[2:25:40] Voice 14: And so we'll be proceeding with those items starting at 8.1 and running to 8.8 when we come back from lunch.

[2:25:47] Voice 14: OK, so, Will, can you put a message up on the screen there indicating that we're recessed and we'll be returning?

[2:25:55] Voice 14: And I'll turn the video and the mic off here.

[2:25:58] Voice 3: I'll do that.

[2:26:01] Voice 6: Everybody's got it.

[2:26:02] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:26:09] Voice 3: Well, no, I'm really happy to be a different person.

[2:26:15] Voice 3: Absolutely.

[2:26:16] Voice 3: It's not a...

[2:26:18] Voice 3: It's not a...

[2:26:20] Voice 3: It's not a...

[2:26:37] Voice 3: All right.

[2:28:17] Voice 3: I really

[2:28:17] Voice 3: want to thank you for being here.

[2:52:44] Voice 10: yep i'm here i just wanted to make sure that you knew to unmute because

[2:52:48] Voice 10: when you left um you hadn't muted so i muted you so well thank you well

[2:52:54] Voice 10: you're welcome

[2:52:55] Voice 10: see

[2:52:57] Voice 6: i left that up to somebody else no worries

[2:53:00] Voice 10: no worries we're on the job thanks

[2:53:04] Voice 6: you

[2:53:05] Voice 14: always are and

[2:53:06] Voice 6: it's awesome thank you

[2:53:11] Voice 4: all right

[2:53:22] Voice 6: we are on application exams indeed on page 36 of our agenda we're

[2:53:49] Voice 4: not started yet so

[2:53:50] Voice 4: come on in

[2:54:11] Voice 5: we have another form of testing in our parents we

[2:54:30] Voice 6: do sure

[2:54:34] Voice 10: welcome you might also

[2:54:35] Voice 10: want to tip your camera down a little bit i think it's moved up so that i'm just

[2:54:39] Voice 10: Oh, you're right.

[2:54:41] Voice 10: I kind

[2:54:42] Voice 14: of did that on purpose earlier.

[2:54:43] Voice 10: There you go. Now we can see everybody's name tags. Perfect. Thanks.

[2:54:48] Voice 10: I

[2:54:49] Voice 14: was thinking to lower the camera a bit so that it wasn't in the view of people.

[2:55:40] Voice 5: Well, we

[2:55:45] Voice 3: are at 1.26, so shall we begin?

[2:55:48] Voice 14: So welcome everybody back to the Gabriella LTC meeting for July the 20th.

[2:55:59] Voice 14: We've had quite a busy morning and are now at page 36, Section 8, Applications and Referrals.

[2:56:09] Voice 14: Just let anybody that's viewing and in the audience know that Application 8.2, TUP 2023, Taylor, at Berry Point Road has been withdrawn and presumably will be coming back at a future meeting, but the applicant has withdrawn that.

[2:56:27] Voice 14: so we've also deferred the gabriel ecological detection zone discussion that we started

[2:56:34] Voice 14: before the break until we've concluded the applications to respect uh those that are

[2:56:39] Voice 14: joining us for the applications and then we'll continue with the remaining uh portion of the

[2:56:44] Voice 14: agenda uh and anticipating to wrap up around 3 30 if you can today so let us begin with 8.1

[2:56:54] Voice 14: gabriel development variance permit 2023.2 uh galtos i apologize if i didn't get that right

[2:57:01] Voice 14: 150 to course you drive and we have a staff report and i see stephen bow is online here

[2:57:08] Voice 14: is he carrying us with this one today

[2:57:10] Voice 4: yes perfect

[2:57:11] Voice 14: so over to you steven thank you and let me just

[2:57:16] Voice 14: say is the applicant in the room or online for 150 to Corsi? Okay so staff is going to give us

[2:57:27] Voice 14: a report and we'll look for you to see whether you concur or not and have any new information

[2:57:32] Voice 14: that you might like to provide us and then we'll have a discussion here and we may have questions

[2:57:35] Voice 14: for you.

[2:57:36] Voice 2: So Stephen over to you. Okay so this is a development variance permit for to permit

[2:57:43] Voice 2: a septic disposal field within the minimum setback to the natural boundary of the sea.

[2:57:47] Voice 2: at 150 DeCourcy Drive.

[2:57:50] Voice 2: Septic fields are required by health regulations

[2:57:53] Voice 2: to be located at least 30 meters from wells.

[2:57:57] Voice 2: And so as a result,

[2:57:58] Voice 2: there's really only one location on the subject property

[2:58:01] Voice 2: that was feasible for a septic field,

[2:58:03] Voice 2: which is within the setback to the land use by-law setback

[2:58:07] Voice 2: to the natural boundary of the sea.

[2:58:09] Voice 2: So as a result of it being closer to the water,

[2:58:12] Voice 2: a type two treatment system was installed,

[2:58:15] Voice 2: which allows for a smaller footprint

[2:58:16] Voice 2: and a better quality of effluent.

[2:58:19] Voice 2: And staff are recommending approval of the permit

[2:58:22] Voice 2: because the field was installed by a professional

[2:58:25] Voice 2: in accordance with the health regulations

[2:58:27] Voice 2: and site constraints do not allow a location

[2:58:30] Voice 2: outside of the land use by-law setbacks.

[2:58:33] Voice 14: Okay, thank you for that report.

[2:58:35] Voice 14: So I'll just ask the applicant,

[2:58:37] Voice 14: do you concur with the recommendation of the report

[2:58:40] Voice 14: and do you have any additional information

[2:58:42] Voice 14: you'd like to share at this time?

[2:58:43] Voice 14: But obviously it's a difficult one.

[2:58:45] Voice 14: lot yeah it

[2:58:46] Voice 3: is okay so trustees

[2:58:50] Voice 14: you have a

[2:58:50] Voice 3: lot it's it's a large lot yes

[2:59:01] Voice 14: so trustees do you have any comments or remarks or questions for staff for the applicant

[2:59:06] Voice 15: very good uh staff report thank you so

[2:59:08] Voice 3: much steven glad to hear it's a type two

[2:59:16] Voice 3: It's great to see people taking advantage of new technology.

[2:59:21] Voice 14: Do I look for a motion?

[2:59:22] Voice 15: Yes, I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development

[2:59:27] Voice 15: variance permit GB-DBP 2023.2.

[2:59:31] Voice 14: Moved and seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[2:59:34] Voice 14: Any discussion?

[2:59:36] Voice 14: All those in favor?

[2:59:37] Voice 14: I carry unanimously.

[2:59:39] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:59:40] Voice 14: Thank you for coming today.

[2:59:42] Voice 2: Through the chair, I can also just give you a bit of a description about, I know you're

[2:59:49] Voice 2: aware that this temporary use permit application on 8.2 has been withdrawn, but I can just

[2:59:56] Voice 2: clarify a little bit about that if you'd like.

[2:59:58] Voice 2: I'm willing

[3:00:00] Voice 14: be coming back to us at a future date it

[3:00:02] Voice 2: will not no so that that file was um the application

[3:00:05] Voice 2: was withdrawn and um and so the file will be closed and it's my understanding that the use

[3:00:12] Voice 2: that had been occurring that that commercial vacation rental was they had ceased that use

[3:00:18] Voice 2: while they were seeking the temporary use permit and have since um decided that they do not want

[3:00:24] Voice 2: pursue that anymore and so um so they withdrawn the application and so i will inform by law

[3:00:29] Voice 2: enforcement of that and they can um follow up it if need be

[3:00:34] Voice 14: okay so when that file is closed

[3:00:36] Voice 14: and by law enforcement will be ensuring the compliance is being managed okay thank you for

[3:00:43] Voice 14: that update that's

[3:00:43] Voice 3: helpful thank you stephen so gabriella

[3:00:51] Voice 14: development permits 2021.1 center stage

[3:00:54] Voice 14: stage holdings. PID number 000313486. We have a staff report here. I see Sonia Zupanek. Good

[3:01:03] Voice 14: afternoon, Sonia. Thank you for joining us

[3:01:05] Voice 14: today. Is the applicant here? Okay, so we'll be doing

[3:01:09] Voice 14: the same process. We'll get a report from staff. We'll ask you for concurrence or not, and then

[3:01:14] Voice 14: we'll have a conversation. So, Planner Zupanek, over to you.

[3:01:19] Planner Zupanec: Great, thank you. The report, I'll

[3:01:21] Planner Zupanec: I'll keep it very short, it's comprehensive.

[3:01:24] Planner Zupanec: Everything is there in terms of what you need

[3:01:26] Planner Zupanec: to make the decision.

[3:01:27] Planner Zupanec: The applicant is applying for this development permit

[3:01:31] Planner Zupanec: in anticipation of future subdivision

[3:01:34] Planner Zupanec: and would like to do tree clearing in the interim

[3:01:37] Planner Zupanec: and all the details are provided for you.

[3:01:40] Planner Zupanec: If you have any questions about the draft permit itself

[3:01:43] Planner Zupanec: or the professional reports that are appended

[3:01:44] Planner Zupanec: to the draft permit,

[3:01:45] Planner Zupanec: I'm happy to answer those at this time.

[3:01:48] Planner Zupanec: There are two recommendations, one to issue the permit

[3:01:51] Planner Zupanec: And the second, to add this development permit area steep slopes to your project list for updating as a major project or minor project in the near future.

[3:02:03] Planner Zupanec: So if you have any questions, I can take those now.

[3:02:06] Voice 14: Okay, thank you.

[3:02:08] Voice 14: I'm just asking, do you have any further remarks?

[3:02:11] Voice 14: Do you concur with the recommendation to that?

[3:02:15] Voice 14: Okay, good.

[3:02:16] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:02:16] Voice 14: So we may have some questions.

[3:02:18] Voice 14: So, trustees, any questions or comments or remarks on this application?

[3:02:23] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:02:24] Voice 3: Over 1,900 trees to be removed

[3:02:27] Voice 4: in

[3:02:28] Voice 3: a climate emergency.

[3:02:31] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:02:31] Voice 3: Talk about the cart before the horse.

[3:02:34] Voice 3: We should have had a development permit reviewed and updated in this area a long time ago.

[3:02:42] Voice 3: I find this very distressing that we are almost compelled to approve this.

[3:02:48] Voice 3: it's a very good staff report it's just it just makes me sick at heart looking at it i'm sorry

[3:02:57] Voice 3: to say that i don't understand why we would be compelled to prove it so i'm going to ask some

[3:03:05] Voice 3: questions um so if staff recommends that the current dpa mapping does not accurately reflect

[3:03:13] Voice 3: the topography of the island nor is it a usable data set then why are we talking about um approving

[3:03:21] Voice 3: development within a dpa that's probably not accurate like because

[3:03:26] Voice 6: it's still on today

[3:03:28] Voice 6: and

[3:03:31] Voice 3: what about the archaeological and that's

[3:03:34] Voice 15: my second question i'm just going to ask that

[3:03:36] Voice 15: so

[3:03:36] Voice 3: yeah so that's my first question sonia is if the mapping is not does that make any sense

[3:03:51] Voice 3: Do you understand

[3:03:52] Voice 14: the intent of the question there,

[3:03:54] Voice 14: Councillor Zipanek?

[3:03:56] Planner Zupanec: I do.

[3:03:56] Planner Zupanec: So you may be familiar that the Local Trust Committee

[3:03:59] Planner Zupanec: did try to update the Steep Slopes Development Permit Area

[3:04:02] Planner Zupanec: several years ago,

[3:04:03] Planner Zupanec: and they ended the project prematurely

[3:04:06] Planner Zupanec: before draft bylaws were able to be presented

[3:04:08] Planner Zupanec: to the community due to public disinterest

[3:04:12] Planner Zupanec: in that project actually being completed,

[3:04:14] Planner Zupanec: is the only way to say it.

[3:04:16] Planner Zupanec: So that's why we're stuck with this development permit area

[3:04:21] Planner Zupanec: in the condition that it's in, we are obligated to continue to process applications for work

[3:04:27] Planner Zupanec: within this DPA with the caveat that the professional reports are doing the job of

[3:04:33] Planner Zupanec: actually identifying where those 80% steep slopes are for us because the DPA doesn't

[3:04:37] Planner Zupanec: accurately represent those on the map. Your voice

[3:04:44] Voice 14: is cut out. I think you need to

[3:04:46] Voice 14: We'll look directly at the microphone or something.

[3:04:50] Planner Zupanec: Sorry, I'm working off of a laptop remotely here.

[3:04:53] Planner Zupanec: So just put your hand up if you can't hear me.

[3:04:57] Voice 6: We can hear you now.

[3:05:00] Planner Zupanec: So I'm not sure where I cut out, but at the current time,

[3:05:04] Planner Zupanec: we have to process these development permit applications

[3:05:07] Planner Zupanec: based on the information that you have within your bylaw.

[3:05:10] Planner Zupanec: It is a legally defined development permit area.

[3:05:13] Planner Zupanec: the geotechnical reports are identifying those areas

[3:05:17] Planner Zupanec: that are 80% or greater,

[3:05:20] Planner Zupanec: because our mapping doesn't do a great job of that

[3:05:23] Planner Zupanec: in terms of ground truthing on a map exactly where that is.

[3:05:27] Planner Zupanec: We don't have a GIS layer for this development permit area.

[3:05:31] Planner Zupanec: We rely on the OCP map only, which is a thick black line.

[3:05:38] Planner Zupanec: So yes, you have two guidelines

[3:05:41] Planner Zupanec: for this development permit area.

[3:05:43] Planner Zupanec: One is not applicable for this application, so there's only one guideline that the application needs to meet.

[3:05:50] Planner Zupanec: And the local government is compelled to issue the permits if it meets the guidelines.

[3:05:54] Planner Zupanec: Otherwise, that whole DPA needs to be overhauled to reflect the accurate parameters of your intention.

[3:06:01] Planner Zupanec: In this case, it's solely to protect development from hazardous conditions.

[3:06:06] Planner Zupanec: It is not a multiple objective development permit area.

[3:06:11] Planner Zupanec: you.

[3:06:13] Voice 6: Okay, thank you, Sonia. Any further questions

[3:06:18] Voice 14: for the applicant?

[3:06:19] Planner Zupanec: The second question was about

[3:06:21] Planner Zupanec: First Nations. The archaeological. Yeah, I

[3:06:25] Voice 14: didn't see a map that indicated where the ark sites were.

[3:06:29] Voice 14: Are there any ark sites physically on that 100 acres?

[3:06:33] Planner Zupanec: We do not provide mapping of archaeological

[3:06:36] Planner Zupanec: sites to on an agenda package so you will you will not see that type of

[3:06:43] Planner Zupanec: information presented to a local Trust Committee at that level staff are

[3:06:47] Planner Zupanec: obligated to check the provincial data set and notify the applicants and the

[3:06:54] Planner Zupanec: ARC branch which then if work would be undertaken within those recorded sites

[3:07:01] Planner Zupanec: sites the applicant would have to apply for an alteration permit the applicant is well aware

[3:07:07] Planner Zupanec: that there is to be no vegetation removal within any of the recorded arc sites without that

[3:07:14] Planner Zupanec: process being undertaken with the province okay

[3:07:18] Voice 14: so the fact that you've indicated in your report that

[3:07:22] Voice 14: they would need to do that that to me says although not identified specifically to us

[3:07:28] Voice 14: that there are archaeological sites on that block

[3:07:30] Voice 3: it's 212 it does identify the proposed

[3:07:35] Voice 3: archaeological covenant sites there's a writer with them and this area in my opinion and many

[3:07:42] Voice 3: people's opinion should never be approved with television it's the burial grounds are the most

[3:07:48] Voice 3: sacred sites for ancestral remains on the island and it's well known i

[3:07:55] Voice 15: would like to echo that

[3:07:56] Voice 3: that. There's cairns all over that property, it's the highest point of Gabriola, that's

[3:08:02] Voice 3: why it's steep slope DPA, and that's where many ancestral remains are buried. And so

[3:08:10] Voice 3: if there is any way to delay this until we have further information that the sites are

[3:08:18] Voice 3: going to be protected and comply with the Heritage Conservation Act to ensure that no

[3:08:25] Voice 3: tree removal is actually taking place then i'd like to defer this decision until now sure so

[3:08:34] Voice 14: planner zupac do you have some advice for the ltc on um seeking that information and what

[3:08:47] Voice 14: what if any activities outside the develop of the development improvement information bylaw

[3:08:54] Voice 14: does the LTC have in order to provide that protection?

[3:09:00] Voice 14: And then maybe as a supplementary question, I might ask,

[3:09:04] Voice 14: I know in the past on other islands,

[3:09:07] Voice 14: we've asked that the applicant have a First Nations

[3:09:12] Voice 14: knowledge holder on site when there's any risk

[3:09:16] Voice 14: of any kind being conducted,

[3:09:19] Voice 3: activities that I'd recommend. Over to you. So

[3:09:25] Planner Zupanec: under and through this applicant's subdivision

[3:09:30] Planner Zupanec: application, which is active, they are required to, with the Ministry of Transportation and

[3:09:36] Planner Zupanec: Infrastructure, address all issues related to the archaeological and cultural significance of this

[3:09:47] Planner Zupanec: particular parcel. And so that process is parallel to this development permit process.

[3:09:55] Planner Zupanec: There has been a few, I think, archaeological impact assessments conducted on the property.

[3:10:01] Planner Zupanec: There is no intention to remove trees within the boundaries of the recorded archaeological site.

[3:10:11] Planner Zupanec: And the applicant, as I mentioned, is aware that there is a process by which

[3:10:17] Planner Zupanec: they must apply for an alteration permit with the province

[3:10:21] Planner Zupanec: if that changes as part of this process,

[3:10:25] Planner Zupanec: the tree removal is intended to begin at in the fall,

[3:10:29] Planner Zupanec: obviously, because this is not the right time of year

[3:10:31] Planner Zupanec: for that work to be conducted.

[3:10:33] Planner Zupanec: And that's one of the conditions of the draft permit.

[3:10:36] Planner Zupanec: So in terms of the local trust committee's authority

[3:10:40] Planner Zupanec: to receive this report for information

[3:10:43] Planner Zupanec: or defer their consideration of it,

[3:10:47] Planner Zupanec: that's within your authority to do that however you can't deny this application if you're

[3:10:54] Planner Zupanec: the information that you're provided is not your satisfaction in the future

[3:10:58] Planner Zupanec: because this application meets the only guideline that's really applicable to it

[3:11:04] Planner Zupanec: under the current drafting of this regulation and the development permit area it's an administrative

[3:11:12] Planner Zupanec: administrative process basically at this stage and I'm sorry to frame it that way but we've been

[3:11:17] Planner Zupanec: a staff struggling to get this DPA updated for quite some time because of its significance

[3:11:23] Planner Zupanec: and it just hasn't had any there's been no interest for it to be leveraged to the top priority project

[3:11:28] Planner Zupanec: so this is where the rubber hits the road when you get applications that test

[3:11:32] Planner Zupanec: the effectiveness of those development permit areas in this case there are no geotechnical

[3:11:39] Planner Zupanec: concerns related to the slope stability in terms of that volume of tree removal on those slopes.

[3:11:48] Planner Zupanec: So that's the purpose of this development permit area and it meets that. Any other factors that

[3:11:55] Planner Zupanec: are being discussed or considered are outside the purview of this particular application.

[3:12:01] Voice 6: Okay, thank you. Trustee Elliott.

[3:12:05] Voice 3: So I would personally like to defer this application

[3:12:10] Voice 3: until we get subdivision

[3:12:12] Voice 3: voting. Why would we

[3:12:14] Voice 3: approve of

[3:12:15] Voice 3: essentially law clearing?

[3:12:19] Voice 3: It's about

[3:12:20] Voice 3: principles, right?

[3:12:22] Voice 3: And to put this down

[3:12:27] Voice 3: to an administrative process

[3:12:28] Voice 3: where we're compelled to

[3:12:31] Voice 3: allow this

[3:12:32] Voice 3: to go ahead if

[3:12:34] Voice 3: there isn't a guarantee

[3:12:36] Voice 3: that subdivision approval

[3:12:37] Voice 3: and protection of the larger cultural

[3:12:40] Voice 3: heritage sites

[3:12:42] Voice 3: is insured, I wouldn't want to see trees removed

[3:12:46] Voice 3: and they don't get subdivision approval and you can't develop the lots as

[3:12:50] Voice 3: planned. So what would be the point of that?

[3:12:55] Voice 14: So back to Plans to Connect. So

[3:12:58] Voice 14: did you suggest that the LCC could defer

[3:13:03] Voice 14: this application pending the final

[3:13:07] Voice 14: approval of the subdivision promoting?

[3:13:11] Planner Zupanec: No, that's

[3:13:12] Planner Zupanec: what trustee Elliott's recommending yes

[3:13:15] Voice 6: yeah

[3:13:16] Planner Zupanec: that's right and so the there's nothing preventing

[3:13:20] Planner Zupanec: a property owner from applying for a development permit regardless of all the other things that

[3:13:24] Planner Zupanec: they might be doing with their property whether it's subdivision or not there's nothing in the

[3:13:28] Planner Zupanec: Gabriel local trust committee currently that prevents a private property owner from removing

[3:13:32] Planner Zupanec: trees on their private property other than applying for a development permit if they just

[3:13:36] Planner Zupanec: happen to be within a riparian area or a steep slopes area for example so whether or not they

[3:13:42] Planner Zupanec: have a concurrent subdivision application doesn't factor in to the development permit i totally

[3:13:46] Planner Zupanec: understand the sequencing of these events but the private property owner still has the right to apply

[3:13:52] Planner Zupanec: for this development permit um regardless of whether or not they're intending to subdivide

[3:13:58] Planner Zupanec: this is information for for you in terms of understanding the rationale for it but they

[3:14:04] Planner Zupanec: could still apply for the development permit area even if they were not intending to subdivide the

[3:14:08] Planner Zupanec: want because there are no other um measures to protect the tree cover across this island

[3:14:18] Planner Zupanec: outside of a development permit area that then you have to meet the guidelines of and if you do

[3:14:24] Planner Zupanec: the permits are issued right

[3:14:27] Voice 6: okay so i think that's understood um trustees what would you like

[3:14:34] Voice 14: to do

[3:14:34] Voice 15: so i just wanted to make a comment um to follow up on what trustee elliott said earlier

[3:14:39] Voice 15: about archaeological sites. About 35 years ago, I did a tour with the UBC group

[3:14:45] Voice 4: focusing on First

[3:14:46] Voice 15: Nations archaeological sites, which nowadays we would never ever do without First Nations guiding

[3:14:53] Voice 15: us or even allowing us to do that. And the one place that we went to

[3:14:58] Voice 3: was this area here called

[3:15:01] Voice 3: The Legends. And at that time,

[3:15:04] Voice 15: there was a First Nations person who joined us, but not from

[3:15:07] Voice 15: the name of. It was from Musgrave. And

[3:15:11] Voice 15: they informed us on that tour that this was the most

[3:15:14] Voice 15: important archaeological place

[3:15:16] Voice 3: on the Atlantic, despite the limitations of what the map is showing

[3:15:23] Voice 3: us. Because

[3:15:24] Voice 3: who has the resources and the time to do the actual work, right? And certainly First

[3:15:34] Voice 3: First Nations, they don't own

[3:15:36] Voice 3: this land. They never did

[3:15:38] Voice 3: own this land. They lived

[3:15:40] Voice 3: on it. They took

[3:15:42] Voice 3: care of it.

[3:15:46] Voice 3: So I'm really stuck between

[3:15:48] Voice 3: a rock and hard place. I do not

[3:15:50] Voice 3: want to approve this, but I will be

[3:15:52] Voice 3: forced to. I mean, the irony

[3:15:54] Voice 15: of having a development permit

[3:15:56] Voice 15: that protects the landowner

[3:15:58] Voice 15: from hazardous steep

[3:16:00] Voice 15: slope,

[3:16:01] Voice 3: protects development

[3:16:03] Voice 3: from the hazardous steep

[3:16:04] Voice 3: slope, that's just

[3:16:06] Voice 3: cruel irony

[3:16:07] Voice 15: when you're working for the islands trust

[3:16:09] Voice 3: well that was created

[3:16:12] Voice 3: in a time where our

[3:16:14] Voice 3: yeah yeah we have a responsibility today we

[3:16:21] Voice 7: do and

[3:16:22] Voice 3: i would argue that section 35 of the

[3:16:24] Voice 3: constitution and the declaration act supersedes our very weak local government laws and the

[3:16:34] Voice 3: greater principle here is that it's not about trees it's about where is it appropriate to

[3:16:43] Voice 3: carve up land and i'd like to hear from the applicant where you're at in terms of

[3:16:47] Voice 3: conversations about protection here just for our information we're doing this process

[3:16:56] Voice 3: well i'm new to this um application and what we've been working on um so perhaps you could

[3:17:05] Voice 3: speak to it i

[3:17:05] Voice 6: think i can alleviate a lot of your concerns uh first of all we bought the property in

[3:17:12] Voice 8: 1997. we invited the first nations to our property in 2001 and had a group of at least a thousand

[3:17:22] Voice 6: elders most of whom have passed away since and we've had three archaeological assessments done

[3:17:32] Voice 6: We've won one within the last few months anyway, just the nine-mole representative was present

[3:17:38] Voice 6: with our archaeologists.

[3:17:42] Voice 8: We have surveyed all of the known archaeological sites to protect them.

[3:17:47] Voice 8: We have committed to the Heritage Branch to place covenants on those sites

[3:17:52] Voice 8: when the lots are created. We have worked closely with the Heritage Branch for

[3:17:57] Voice 8: for 20 years, which is any work we've conducted on the site to ensure we had their approval

[3:18:04] Voice 8: and they do what we were doing.

[3:18:06] Voice 8: And the legal requirements are quite simple.

[3:18:10] Voice 6: You can't disturb soil on an archeological site without a permit from the Heritage Branch.

[3:18:18] Voice 6: We have no

[3:18:19] Voice 8: intention of taking anything from an archeological site.

[3:18:24] Voice 8: Our two sons are First Nations who have not adopted, they're 50 years old.

[3:18:28] Voice 8: We have close relationships with First Nations communities across the country.

[3:18:33] Voice 8: My granddaughter was elected yesterday to the National Council for Youth, the Aboriginal

[3:18:39] Voice 6: Council for Canada.

[3:18:42] Voice 6: There is nobody who knows the sites and the value of these sites better than ourselves.

[3:18:52] Voice 8: We've had healers from all over Canada come to the site on numerous occasions.

[3:18:56] Voice 8: We've had healing ceremonies on the site where we've had local healers from Cooper, Penelope, Duncan, Cowichan, and Simon present.

[3:19:07] Voice 8: As I said, we just finished an assessment, I'm going to say a month ago, with Earl Manson and our archaeologist.

[3:19:14] Voice 8: There was no new sites discovered.

[3:19:17] Voice 8: We are in discussions with the First Nation, have been on a continued basis for 20 years.

[3:19:24] Voice 8: we're always hopeful we can accommodate whatever interest they raise

[3:19:28] Voice 6: and

[3:19:31] Voice 3: the I think the last point I want

[3:19:34] Voice 8: to make is that

[3:19:34] Voice 3: this property

[3:19:37] Voice 8: has been clear-cut twice we had a development permit previously on this

[3:19:43] Voice 8: it expired and so we applied for a new one our concerns are virus marketing is a really important

[3:19:50] Voice 8: issue to us. We've had discussions with the fire department about the blotch and the concern about

[3:19:56] Voice 8: them making the fires more difficult. Of course we probably want to create new corridors where

[3:20:03] Voice 8: warehouses might be located but right now this is our property. We plan on building our home

[3:20:09] Voice 8: on the location on our property and technically speaking we can remove all the trees on everywhere

[3:20:22] Voice 8: We have no intention of doing that, and so we can leave and remove trees on our entire

[3:20:29] Voice 8: site, save and accept slopes and accepts of 80% and archaeological sites.

[3:20:35] Voice 8: We have no intention of removing this many trees, but what we did just to give you some

[3:20:42] Voice 8: more comfort, we could have identified this report only on the 80% slopes, and there's

[3:20:49] Voice 8: a map in your file that shows it probably represents about five percent of the area that

[3:20:55] Voice 8: we covered we asked our land people and engineers to assess the entire one just so we knew that

[3:21:06] Voice 8: everyone everything's above board there's the maximum degree that we did the whole thing

[3:21:10] Voice 8: i suspect on the actual we want i've walked these deep slope with the engineers probably 10 times

[3:21:18] Voice 8: and I don't think there will be any trees removed off the actual steep slopes. They're very steep

[3:21:24] Voice 8: and there's no trees on the steep slopes.

[3:21:27] Voice 6: So although it looks like we're moving 1,900 trees,

[3:21:33] Voice 6: it's just how do we say how many until

[3:21:37] Voice 8: we know where we're going to remove them?

[3:21:40] Voice 8: And so the idea of the subdivision, referring to the subdivision, is really a

[3:21:45] Voice 6: bad issue for me

[3:21:47] Voice 6: because we have the right to remove these trees now.

[3:21:54] Voice 6: And as

[3:21:55] Voice 8: I said, and I'll say again,

[3:21:56] Voice 8: we can remove them everywhere except on the state slope,

[3:21:59] Voice 8: which is probably 5% of the site,

[3:22:00] Voice 8: of which I think none will be removed anymore.

[3:22:03] Voice 8: And on the archaeological sites,

[3:22:05] Voice 8: which we have been working with First Nations

[3:22:07] Voice 8: and the Heritage Department for 20 years,

[3:22:10] Voice 8: making sure any work we do is approved by the Heritage Branch.

[3:22:14] Voice 8: ranch. And all those sites are surveyed, will be covenanted, and there's no intention. I'm

[3:22:23] Voice 8: going to say this. We've

[3:22:25] Voice 6: had this proposition since 1997. We understand from our relationships

[3:22:33] Voice 6: and elders who visited, and on top of the elders from across Canada, we understand the

[3:22:40] Voice 6: value of this site, maybe as well as the First Nations themselves. The elders that we worked

[3:22:47] Voice 6: with i think all that passed away and who were our mentors and

[3:22:52] Voice 8: guided us about how to respect

[3:22:54] Voice 8: and understand this site so we often hear people criticize us about somehow we're not looking at

[3:23:01] Voice 8: site or not a value about just the opposite any other developer would have bought this property

[3:23:07] Voice 8: sold it and been done with it we play so much importance on it we don't even want to develop

[3:23:15] Voice 8: but you may recall we donated 707 acre park to the community and we're still

[3:23:20] Voice 6: selling lots to

[3:23:22] Voice 6: pay for that park but nobody is more concerned

[3:23:28] Voice 8: about protecting the value of this site than we

[3:23:32] Voice 8: are so it might look on the surface like oh my gosh they're going to wipe out 1900 trees and

[3:23:37] Voice 8: they come over the archaeological sites none of that can't happen because legally we can't do it

[3:23:44] Voice 8: And morally, we had no intention of doing it.

[3:23:48] Voice 8: So I don't know more than to say, but then,

[3:23:50] Voice 8: and I think if we defer it for the subdivision,

[3:23:52] Voice 8: all you're doing is delaying us

[3:23:54] Voice 8: because I understand this, you have to approve it,

[3:23:57] Voice 8: even if the subdivision wasn't approved.

[3:23:59] Voice 8: We may abandon the subdivision.

[3:24:01] Voice 8: We're in the middle of discussion now.

[3:24:02] Voice 8: We don't know where we're going with this.

[3:24:04] Voice 8: But we do want to develop our home,

[3:24:06] Voice 8: want our reporters for our home,

[3:24:08] Voice 8: want to have fire protection for our homes.

[3:24:10] Voice 8: And so I know you're feeling in a bad position,

[3:24:14] Voice 6: but I think approving this is approving a development permit

[3:24:23] Voice 6: with an owner who has clearly stated to you

[3:24:27] Voice 6: that

[3:24:27] Voice 8: you can't take trees off the archaeological site.

[3:24:31] Voice 8: They're fully served.

[3:24:32] Voice 8: They're going to be fully covenanted.

[3:24:34] Voice 8: In fact, the plan that we've created,

[3:24:36] Voice 8: just for your comfort too, it's important.

[3:24:38] Voice 8: We designed a

[3:24:40] Voice 6: layout. There are eight archaeological sites on our property. Three burial sites, a midden site, a very substantial petri

[3:24:52] Voice 8: dish site, and a couple of small sites.

[3:24:54] Voice 8: We then

[3:24:55] Voice 8: devised a plan that created one lot, one large, probably 60 acres, on which are located

[3:25:00] Voice 6: five of the eight archaeological sites.

[3:25:06] Voice 6: That site is intended to be protected. We own that lot. If we don't make an agreement with

[3:25:13] Voice 6: the First Nations,

[3:25:14] Voice 8: we'll always own it. Our family will own it. And that's how we decided

[3:25:19] Voice 8: to protect five of the eight sites. The three that aren't are shell and bin sites that are

[3:25:24] Voice 8: maybe 10 square feet, maybe two centimeters deep, and they're just in locations that we can't

[3:25:29] Voice 8: combined in the overall lot.

[3:25:32] Voice 8: So I think it can give you some comfort.

[3:25:35] Voice 8: Even the subject

[3:25:36] Voice 8: of the plant itself is creating one large

[3:25:38] Voice 8: part in which all of these significant

[3:25:40] Voice 8: sites are included and protected.

[3:25:43] Voice 8: So that might

[3:25:44] Voice 8: give you a bit more comfort from the moral point

[3:25:46] Voice 8: of view. I don't think anybody cares

[3:25:48] Voice 8: as much about the site other than

[3:25:50] Voice 6: the personations and ourselves.

[3:25:53] Voice 3: I would like to add something

[3:25:55] Voice 3: to that. It's on me when we're talking about

[3:25:56] Voice 3: this. I'm devastated

[3:25:58] Voice 3: by the work.

[3:26:00] Voice 3: i'm just being devastated by your words i'm insulted i'm slandered

[3:26:06] Voice 3: i went to the institute of indigenous governance i have an associate's degree from this

[3:26:12] Voice 3: to inform myself that's run by the union of bc indian chiefs which is probably the most

[3:26:21] Voice 3: far-reaching and effective indigenous organization in the province and well-known by all

[3:26:29] Voice 3: I was a consultant for a chief for the Halkomino Treaty Group, which is a local group.

[3:26:42] Voice 3: I was the consultant for them. I am keenly aware of the issues. I am

[3:26:47] Voice 3: keenly aware of Section 35.

[3:26:49] Voice 3: I was actually studying when Section 35 was brought in. I know what it says.

[3:26:57] Voice 5: what we've done with

[3:27:03] Voice 3: our property is nothing short than a miracle we've transmuted our property at

[3:27:09] Voice 3: our expense and and too much um aggravation to dedicate the 707 acres to the island which when

[3:27:21] Voice 3: when we did that nobody else would do that density transfer nobody wanted to touch it and it never

[3:27:27] Voice 3: took effect we created a water recharge zone for the island we created a big green relief for all

[3:27:37] Voice 3: the small lots all around that park and this is completely at my family's expense and we do not

[3:27:45] Voice 3: have money we have that property we've done the best we could for this community i would say more

[3:27:52] Voice 3: than anyone else in this whole community we've done more for the community in general if you

[3:27:58] Voice 3: want to talk about trees if you want to talk about the environment we we have done that at our expense

[3:28:05] Voice 3: on the back of this property we've done the best that we can with this property we always have

[3:28:12] Voice 3: and to hear that somehow i just feel like like we're ignorant about the archaeological situation

[3:28:20] Voice 3: we're ignorant about the trees, where everything we've done says totally the opposite.

[3:28:26] Voice 3: And if someone really wanted to know from the horse's mouth, they should come and speak to us.

[3:28:33] Voice 3: The other thing is, if you really want to help the archaeological sites,

[3:28:37] Voice 3: you'll ask your fellow Gabrielians, some who are wonderful about it,

[3:28:44] Voice 3: and then there's the others who come and try to get to the sites and steal artifacts.

[3:28:49] Voice 3: facts and many people you want to put it you want to respect the first nations put a call out to the

[3:28:54] Voice 3: fellow gabrielans to repatriate all these uh skulls and and other objects that have stolen

[3:29:02] Voice 3: out of the caves and the burial sites because there's hardly anything left in the burial site

[3:29:09] Voice 3: it's like homeopathy or something the essence of the burial site is there but but all the uh

[3:29:15] Voice 3: hard goods are all

[3:29:18] Voice 3: gone and stolen

[3:29:19] Voice 3: and they're in homes

[3:29:21] Voice 3: with people on Gingriola

[3:29:23] Voice 3: that disgusts me

[3:29:25] Voice 3: and I don't know why we

[3:29:28] Voice 3: continually get singled out like this

[3:29:30] Voice 3: we've always demonstrated our goodwill

[3:29:33] Voice 3: and our understanding and our generosity

[3:29:35] Voice 3: and you know

[3:29:37] Voice 3: worry about

[3:29:38] Voice 3: worry about some of these other sites

[3:29:41] Voice 3: where they put septic fields on burial sites

[3:29:43] Voice 3: and move the bones

[3:29:45] Voice 3: around and don't tell anybody

[3:29:46] Voice 3: but that's not us that's not our history that's not what we've demonstrated i am 70 73 years old

[3:29:56] Voice 3: and i'm still walking about working on this project i haven't shown

[3:30:00] Voice 3: in order to help make this whole thing move and we're still struggling through this project

[3:30:06] Voice 3: to try to come up on the top of it with the best possible result for everybody so it's it's

[3:30:15] Voice 3: we are not insensitive people so

[3:30:20] Voice 6: thank you for telling your story appreciate that very much

[3:30:24] Voice 6: yeah

[3:30:24] Voice 3: i i appreciate

[3:30:25] Voice 15: that too i very much do i actually did not mean to insult you personally

[3:30:31] Voice 15: Personally, I think I did. I used very strong language. I'm expressing my ecological grief about

[3:30:39] Voice 3: everything that is happening on this island.

[3:30:43] Voice 3: Yeah. And

[3:30:44] Voice 15: there it says right in this report, over 1900 trees to be removed.

[3:30:53] Voice 3: And we

[3:30:54] Voice 15: could have changed

[3:30:55] Voice 3: that number to a smaller number, but the foresters that did that report, we hired at great expense, are the same foresters that looked at the 707 to see what could be done to handle what's going on there and the fire issues, etc.

[3:31:15] Voice 3: we hired exactly the same company at great expense and we said put out the outside number

[3:31:23] Voice 3: and don't forget a tree is also some of these things that are coming up that aren't going to

[3:31:31] Voice 3: make it because of the situation they're located in they're never going to flourish right because

[3:31:38] Voice 3: we learned that because we mismanaged on the north side by not managing the trees better

[3:31:46] Voice 3: that we would resolve in a better forest but we have to learn that well we all do that so

[3:31:55] Voice 3: your comments if i may um i think that any decision made in haste is usually a bad decision

[3:32:01] Voice 3: and i feel like this came to us uh it's a very comprehensive report it sounds like we have no

[3:32:08] Voice 3: options but again i speak to higher principles and i would like to investigate how we can work

[3:32:14] Voice 3: together to ensure that you were supporting the development of that property that is in line

[3:32:22] Voice 3: with where the community is going in 2025 years if you're you're important community members and

[3:32:29] Voice 3: we're all going to be living together on gabriola for the next 25 years i don't want there to be

[3:32:34] Voice 3: rancor or bitterness so as a sign of good faith i wonder if we might be able to provide the ltc

[3:32:41] Voice 3: with a letter of support

[3:32:43] Voice 3: from, you mentioned

[3:32:45] Voice 3: Elder Gary Manson, that he's

[3:32:47] Voice 3: walked the land with me.

[3:32:49] Voice 3: To me, other First Nations from across

[3:32:51] Voice 3: Canada, they have wonderful knowledge.

[3:32:53] Voice 3: This is not their territory.

[3:32:56] Voice 3: This is the territory

[3:32:58] Voice 3: of some of the First Nations,

[3:32:59] Voice 3: and if you have their support

[3:33:01] Voice 3: in protecting those

[3:33:04] Voice 3: sites and working with the ARC branch,

[3:33:06] Voice 3: I would love to see that, and I will work

[3:33:08] Voice 3: with you as your LTC

[3:33:10] Voice 3: to

[3:33:12] Voice 3: to work and with the community so that you can develop this property and we don't have to be

[3:33:16] Voice 3: at odds my answer to that is i don't think i don't agree with your assessment of who was here

[3:33:26] Voice 3: i believe myself and this is not a politically popular thing to say i believe in from my studies

[3:33:34] Voice 3: and from my research

[3:33:36] Voice 3: because I did a research course

[3:33:38] Voice 3: in Indigenous history

[3:33:40] Voice 3: and the reserve system

[3:33:41] Voice 3: locations etc. I'm working with

[3:33:44] Voice 3: the Hulka Mena Treaty Group

[3:33:46] Voice 3: I believe with all

[3:33:48] Voice 3: my heart that this was

[3:33:50] Voice 3: a shared territory

[3:33:51] Voice 3: everybody gathered at El

[3:33:54] Voice 3: Grano. I believe there was

[3:33:56] Voice 3: a huge mix and

[3:33:58] Voice 3: I think there were houses all over

[3:34:00] Voice 3: the best fishing spots

[3:34:02] Voice 3: in the islands here

[3:34:04] Voice 3: And so I don't adhere to that single dominant tribe theory, okay?

[3:34:15] Voice 3: We have a very difficult time communicating with Stenemo because they would rather own our property, right?

[3:34:32] Voice 3: Right. So you're asking me to go to someone who wants to own my property to get some some help from them.

[3:34:42] Voice 3: And

[3:34:43] Voice 4: we have support.

[3:34:44] Voice 3: So we've been

[3:34:45] Voice 3: through that process twice with Enable and nothing has worked out.

[3:34:53] Voice 3: They're welcome on the property anytime they want. Right.

[3:34:57] Voice 3: But he was, when we did the last unnecessary, expensive archaeological study all over the entire property again, he was the one who was present.

[3:35:11] Voice 3: Nothing was found.

[3:35:15] Voice 3: I don't think that it's required of me to...

[3:35:21] Voice 3: They already have a referral system regarding the subdivision.

[3:35:27] Voice 3: and I believe

[3:35:29] Voice 3: it applies

[3:35:32] Voice 3: to Laxton

[3:35:33] Voice 3: I believe it applies to Chimaymas

[3:35:36] Voice 3: Cowichan tribes

[3:35:37] Voice 3: etc etc

[3:35:38] Voice 3: so I'm

[3:35:41] Voice 3: I'm not going to

[3:35:44] Voice 3: try to get someone

[3:35:46] Voice 3: from Sineo to return a phone

[3:35:48] Voice 3: call to me when it's

[3:35:50] Voice 3: not in their best interest

[3:35:52] Voice 3: it's not

[3:35:53] Voice 3: I

[3:35:54] Voice 6: think a better way to put this than I may is that

[3:35:56] Voice 6: then the initial transportation is the governing authority for approving some of these and they

[3:36:04] are the agency that refers us out to first nations and those of

[3:36:08] Voice 8: all that referral process and we're

[3:36:10] Voice 8: in the middle

[3:36:10] Voice 8: of all that have been for a long while and we're trying to satisfy all the criteria

[3:36:14] Voice 8: one of which was to do this recent new updated archaeological etc that's been completed it's

[3:36:23] Voice 8: just been reviewed by the art branch i think four or five days which is going out to the first nation

[3:36:30] um that is a report that i haven't seen the final report but it it summarizes the work that

[3:36:37] earl did

[3:36:38] Voice 6: and that he perfectly was found um and we'll hear what the first nation said we've been

[3:36:46] Voice 6: told by the first nations years ago that um once we gave the land back they were talking about the

[3:36:53] Voice 6: subject. That was the threat 15 years ago. We have twice gone through

[3:37:00] Voice 8: the process of trying to work

[3:37:01] Voice 8: with them to have them in turn tell us what they exactly want in terms of certain lands. When we do

[3:37:08] Voice 8: it, that's how we devise the

[3:37:10] Voice 3: law that I told you about.

[3:37:12] Voice 8: We're still in that process. So I think

[3:37:17] Voice 8: what I'm saying is the questions you're asking, I understand you're asking them, but they're already

[3:37:20] Voice 8: being dealt with by these transportation and the first nations and the art bridge and the

[3:37:26] Voice 8: archaeological reports we've done this

[3:37:29] Voice 6: property could not be studied more it's been studied today

[3:37:35] Voice 6: and the only issue really is from our point of view if the first nations want

[3:37:42] Voice 8: some of the land

[3:37:43] Voice 8: back they need to tell us clearly what they want and they just don't seem to be able to

[3:37:50] Voice 8: we're in the process we'll find out we don't really want to sell it we really don't want to

[3:37:55] Voice 8: we we think you protected it as good as anybody and we understand

[3:38:00] Voice 3: it as well as anybody

[3:38:02] Voice 3: protect it in the best way but we're open to that

[3:38:04] Voice 8: dialogue which delay you know i'm going to say

[3:38:08] Voice 8: again that i appreciate that we want to work with everybody too

[3:38:12] Voice 6: and we will always continue to do

[3:38:14] Voice 6: that but you know we have the

[3:38:15] Voice 6: right to take the trees now and we're not

[3:38:18] Voice 6: going to um that's why

[3:38:20] Voice 6: you know the permit doesn't start until october i don't think we'll be doing anything there for

[3:38:25] Voice 6: a year or two because we have other things to figure out and

[3:38:29] Voice 3: that's exactly what i'm suggesting

[3:38:30] Voice 3: i would like to just defer consideration of this application you can't do anything in the

[3:38:38] Voice 3: summertime anyways so i get a little more information so we get like you said a little

[3:38:43] Voice 3: more comfort that we're not um sort of putting the cart before the horse going after the details okay

[3:38:50] Voice 3: Okay, let's, you know, we've got the geotechnical, that's all covered.

[3:38:53] Voice 3: And yet the larger principles are not covered up.

[3:38:57] Voice 3: And this is the struggle of being a small local government in the midst of these larger pieces.

[3:39:04] Voice 3: I just can't in any conscience vote yes for this without an assurance that these larger questions are actually going to be looked after.

[3:39:17] Voice 3: It is important.

[3:39:18] Voice 3: But, but, you know, that isn't part of the requirement. And I wouldn't have spent the money on the forestry report. And I wouldn't have spent the money on the geotech report. This is one of the many hurdles that the Islands Trust has put in front of us that we have to meet in order to get to the end.

[3:39:41] Voice 3: so this one is came up this is the one we're dealing with to try to take it off the list so

[3:39:48] Voice 3: we can get to the next thing and we can send the reports to to you and and why does this need to

[3:39:54] Voice 3: be done before you've settled everything as you say have those conversations with the nation

[3:40:01] Voice 3: decide whether you're going to proceed with subdivision it sounds like there's some bigger

[3:40:05] Voice 3: things in place so why cut down a bunch of trees we actually don't have the bigger questions

[3:40:13] Voice 3: it's your hurdle that we've met and you're obligated under the water you know i don't

[3:40:21] Voice 14: know that we're getting too far ahead of this because we obviously have a difference of funding

[3:40:27] Voice 14: um

[3:40:27] Voice 15: chair luck and i i have a suggestion to to make a motion

[3:40:31] Voice 3: on number two

[3:40:34] Voice 6: okay let me just go there in a second um yeah

[3:40:40] Voice 14: so the other thing is is that we don't have to

[3:40:43] Voice 14: make it you know obviously we don't have to make a decision today for any reason other than to

[3:40:47] Voice 14: consider it further and um it could come back to our next meeting

[3:40:52] Voice 6: and

[3:40:53] Voice 14: honestly with the conversation

[3:40:55] Voice 14: we've had and the assurances we've had i don't see that that would necessarily be harmful to

[3:41:03] Voice 14: I'm also conscious we've got

[3:41:05] Voice 14: seven other applications here

[3:41:07] Voice 14: we need to move along

[3:41:10] Voice 14: Planner, Regional Planning Manager

[3:41:11] Voice 14: you had perhaps some advice

[3:41:13] Voice 14: which I'm sorry

[3:41:15] Voice 3: Through the Chair I also

[3:41:17] Voice 3: Planner Zipanek's hand

[3:41:18] Voice 3: I'm so happy to

[3:41:20] Voice 3: follow up

[3:41:21] Voice 3: on anything so I just wanted to check in with her

[3:41:24] Voice 3: maybe you can ask her

[3:41:25] Voice 3: You can

[3:41:27] Planner Zupanec: go ahead, thank you

[3:41:28] Voice 3: Go ahead

[3:41:29] Voice 3: Just to

[3:41:30] Voice 3: to reiterate the information in the report as well as part of what the LTC has meant,

[3:41:43] Voice 6: what

[3:41:43] Voice 3: the bylaws do.

[3:41:46] Voice 3: So if the LTC wanted to consider the alternate recommendation, I would suggest you be specific

[3:41:56] Voice 3: in what that information is and the time frame to reference that for every state.

[3:42:04] Voice 3: just recognizing that the information presented in the report appears to satisfy

[3:42:10] Voice 3: i was wondering

[3:42:15] Planner Zupanec: if i could follow up on that is that the alternative recommendation that's in the

[3:42:18] Planner Zupanec: staff report doesn't clarify that the additional information that the local trust committee can

[3:42:24] Planner Zupanec: request from the applicant needs to be directly related to the development permit guideline itself

[3:42:29] Planner Zupanec: in in meeting that which is specific to the geotechnical report and assessing the hazardous

[3:42:34] Planner Zupanec: hazardous condition. So any additional requests for information, the applicant's under no

[3:42:40] Planner Zupanec: obligation to provide that to you for further consideration of issuance of this DP.

[3:42:49] Voice 6: So I have two questions, one for staff

[3:42:51] Voice 14: and one for the applicant. And then if you want to go

[3:42:54] Voice 14: in the motion, that's your product. The question for staff is, is it within our ability at this

[3:43:03] Voice 14: time to simply defer this to the next meeting for deeper consideration by the local trust

[3:43:09] Voice 14: committee from what we've heard today, what's in this report, which is very extensive, that

[3:43:15] Voice 14: we're just simply need more time to consider.

[3:43:17] Planner Zupanec: Yes, you may do that.

[3:43:21] Voice 14: I think that's not unreasonable.

[3:43:23] Voice 14: So my question to the applicant, which I sort of mentioned earlier on, which has been a

[3:43:28] Voice 14: practice that we've undertaken in the past.

[3:43:31] Voice 14: And I'll just say that, you know, we at the Adams Trust, myself included, are wary about making the wrong decision about something.

[3:43:40] Voice 14: And we have been criticized by nations for simply not asking.

[3:43:45] Voice 14: And so we want to be sure that we're not going to offend anybody, and yourselves included.

[3:43:52] Voice 14: I'm sorry if the fence has been big.

[3:43:55] Voice 14: So my question is, have you considered, are you interested in, and would you voluntarily, obviously, have a First Nations worker or elder on site when you were working in proximity to those areas that we're concerned about?

[3:44:11] Voice 3: Are you trying to tell me what areas you're concerned about?

[3:44:14] Voice 14: The other site areas.

[3:44:17] Voice 14: Yeah,

[3:44:17] Voice 3: what are you going to work on?

[3:44:18] Voice 14: Oh, but in proximity, because the trouble with these are sites.

[3:44:22] Voice 14: I've

[3:44:23] Voice 3: spent a lot of time and money and effort getting these reports done, and I'm on very limited funds, and I'm

[3:44:30] Voice 3: on very limited time.

[3:44:32] Voice 3: So if you're going to pile on more, I

[3:44:36] Planner McCargar: have

[3:44:37] Voice 3: to know specifically what it is, because we thought we did what we were supposed to do.

[3:44:46] Voice 3: and if you're going if it's going to change now i need to know what the change is before i agree to

[3:44:52] Voice 3: that i i

[3:44:53] Voice 6: think you're i think what you

[3:44:54] Voice 6: said is correct we can't do any work that may disturb

[3:45:01] Voice 6: an archaeological site without permission from the heritage we've applied for an alteration

[3:45:09] Voice 6: when they do that they

[3:45:13] Voice 3: will require someone to be in attendance so that's what i'm asking

[3:45:16] Voice 6: yeah it

[3:45:17] Voice 3: will be a requirement

[3:45:18] Voice 6: anyway okay it's it's

[3:45:21] Voice 6: so trust me i

[3:45:22] Voice 3: agree with you chair luck on

[3:45:23] Voice 3: that we're we're in a difficult position because we have been criticized for rushing ahead you know

[3:45:30] Voice 3: asking questions that i would just like to ask for questions if there's not going to be any work done

[3:45:34] Voice 3: anyways this summer if we could defer this just as a consideration in september i'm not trying to

[3:45:39] Voice 3: apologize to continue your way i would like to do some more research if that's okay well it's

[3:45:45] Voice 6: decision my

[3:45:45] Voice 8: preference is that you approve the development whatever you talk about trust we have

[3:45:52] Voice 8: the same concern we like to think that we can be trusted with what we say what we do our reports

[3:45:59] Voice 8: are not by energies these are some of the top engineers and consultants in the province so

[3:46:05] Voice 3: we

[3:46:06] Voice 8: try to do our best to get a map of information i

[3:46:09] Voice 3: hear you but what i don't see and what i can't

[3:46:12] Voice 3: necessarily say is is here and it's not within my my say so as you talk a lot about first nations

[3:46:19] Voice 3: consulting with you but if it came to it how does the nail feel and what is their position on this

[3:46:28] Voice 3: i would like to know because we have a duty to develop a relationship this is the land regardless

[3:46:35] Voice 3: of your perspective on how many nations have used these territories so they

[3:46:40] Voice 3: don't have treaty rights

[3:46:42] Voice 3: And so it is our duty as the local government to work on relationship building with that

[3:46:48] Voice 3: nation as the primary rights and title holder on Gabriel Island.

[3:46:52] Voice 3: But

[3:46:53] Voice 6: you know what I heard, just to go back to it, I think it's Susan, I think made the

[3:46:57] Voice 6: comment that this line should never be subdivided.

[3:47:01] Voice 3: Yes, that's what she said.

[3:47:03] Voice 5: Right?

[3:47:03] Voice 5: Now let me tell you something.

[3:47:08] Voice 5: This is going to happen.

[3:47:10] Voice 5: And the First

[3:47:11] Voice 6: Nations are very difficult to work with.

[3:47:14] Voice 6: We do our best.

[3:47:15] Voice 6: we take the highway we still will carry through all the way with him but i'm going to tell you

[3:47:22] Voice 5: these trees can come down tomorrow tomorrow so

[3:47:29] Voice 6: i

[3:47:30] Voice 8: have to say we didn't spend thirty thousand

[3:47:32] Voice 8: dollars to comply with the violence to be told now we have to wait and see what the person needs

[3:47:36] Voice 8: to say when the real authority is that heritage and the problems are coming and so now and i don't

[3:47:43] Voice 8: I don't care what the SFM says.

[3:47:46] Voice 8: They can't stop us taking down these trees

[3:47:48] Voice 8: other than where it impacts the art on the sites

[3:47:51] Voice 8: where we would never be able to.

[3:47:53] Voice 8: So I hear what you're saying,

[3:47:55] Voice 8: but maybe you have to put yourself

[3:47:57] Voice 8: in our boots a little bit.

[3:47:59] Voice 8: You know, I have lots of-

[3:48:01] Voice 3: You're making it a little bit difficult

[3:48:02] Voice 3: for me to put myself in your boots.

[3:48:04] Voice 8: I think you just tell us in

[3:48:05] Voice 6: pretty good voice.

[3:48:06] Voice 6: You know, I think the trust element

[3:48:13] Voice 14: mentioned at the beginning is certainly important. However, some of your other statements make me

[3:48:20] Voice 14: less trustful, but I do trust you. However, I think that if I'm not mistaken, you can't get

[3:48:29] Voice 14: those sandwiches tomorrow because they're in development permit area. Without a permit,

[3:48:32] Voice 14: you can't get them there.

[3:48:33] Voice 12: And we have a fire shut down.

[3:48:36] Voice 14: So let's just leave that aside for the

[3:48:39] Voice 14: moment i don't see any real harm in deferring this until our next meeting where indeed for the most

[3:48:47] Voice 14: part we're obligated to make an administrative decision here um to provide the opportunity for

[3:48:52] Voice 14: the trustees to

[3:48:54] Voice 6: hear

[3:48:54] Voice 14: what they've heard and digest what they've heard from you today and um and we

[3:48:59] Voice 14: will discuss it again next month everybody meant that so one

[3:49:04] Voice 15: comment i do very much appreciate the

[3:49:07] Voice 15: long um explanation that you gave us i appreciate that very much chair luckham i'd like to make a

[3:49:14] Voice 15: motion that the gabrielle island local trust committee requests staff to add review and

[3:49:20] Voice 15: update of development permit area six steep slopes to the future project list

[3:49:26] Voice 14: oh that's separate from the application okay so that's one motion which doesn't impact your

[3:49:34] Voice 14: application but um that's seconded uh any discussion all those in favor that's added

[3:49:41] Voice 14: there you go so what about today's application let

[3:49:45] Voice 3: it be deferred until our next meeting

[3:49:48] Voice 3: motion

[3:49:49] Voice 14: is then with the lgc defer application

[3:49:52] Voice 3: generation of development permit

[3:50:14] Voice 14: I don't understand

[3:50:19] Voice 3: being insulted and slandered and people who have never even spoken to me

[3:50:24] Voice 3: seeing such a disparaging thing

[3:50:26] Voice 3: about myself, my personality

[3:50:28] Voice 3: and my actions.

[3:50:30] Voice 3: Just get back to the part.

[3:50:32] Voice 3: I can't

[3:50:34] Voice 3: I've done more for this island

[3:50:36] Voice 3: than the Trust has.

[3:50:38] Voice 3: I'm sorry for that.

[3:50:40] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:50:42] Voice 3: You might understand why she's so

[3:50:44] Voice 6: emotional about this.

[3:50:47] Voice 6: We'd be happy to

[3:50:48] Voice 6: invite any of you

[3:50:50] Voice 6: for a real tour

[3:50:52] Voice 6: of the site

[3:50:54] Voice 6: anytime you wish okay thank you for that offer okay all your other applicants oh no okay um so

[3:51:03] Voice 14: let's go to uh 8.4 february uh uh temporary 2020.2 mckay at 1016 very fun road and i'm just going to

[3:51:13] Voice 14: take a lead on this marla's this site that you've just appeared for my god i know

[3:51:18] Voice 3: know we'll mix this up a lot

[3:51:22] Voice 14: see i was even looking at your your sign there so i apologize

[3:51:31] Voice 3: yes yeah so in the interest of time i'll keep the presentation very short um the purpose of

[3:51:40] Voice 12: this report is to consider renewal a renewal of a temporary use permit

[3:51:44] Voice 3: for a commercial

[3:51:44] Voice 3: vacation rental within a single family dwelling on the subject property

[3:51:48] Voice 12: in the small rural

[3:51:50] Voice 12: residential designation. The application meets all of the guidelines for commercial vacation rental

[3:51:55] Voice 12: temporary use permit applications from the Gabriel Island

[3:51:59] Voice 3: Official Community Plan and as a result

[3:52:02] Voice 3: staff are recommending approval of the permit for a period of 32 months until March 31st, 2026.

[3:52:10] Voice 3: If you have any questions about the TUP guidelines or about the proposed permits,

[3:52:15] Voice 3: please ask them and I believe that the applicant is present okay

[3:52:21] Voice 6: thank you

[3:52:22] Voice 14: is the applicant here and so do you have do you agree with the recommendation from the staff

[3:52:31] Voice 14: okay good thank you so trustees what would you like to do with this application do you have

[3:52:37] Voice 14: any questions here well

[3:52:39] Voice 3: I would like to make a note that it only came to us in the first place

[3:52:42] Voice 3: because it was operating without the appropriate permit yeah ah

[3:52:48] Voice 15: yes and um for a long period of

[3:52:53] Voice 15: fact the owners continue to operate it as a short-term vacation rental without the necessary

[3:52:58] Voice 15: permit um

[3:53:00] Voice 3: yeah it was under bylaw enforcement for a while in order to get the appropriate permit

[3:53:09] Voice 3: it's on a very small lot in a rural residential area that is not suitable for

[3:53:16] Voice 3: commercial vacation rentals but it meets all the guidelines of the temporary

[3:53:23] Voice 3: use permit renewal process question um so the regarding the number of guests i think the

[3:53:34] Voice 3: the terms of your TUP say maximum of two guests at any given time, but it was being advertised

[3:53:41] Voice 3: as taking proteins for up to four guests, what sort of...

[3:53:45] Voice 3: Can you explain?

[3:53:47] Voice 4: Just two guests.

[3:53:49] Voice 3: Yeah?

[3:53:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:53:50] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:53:51] Voice 3: I'm just saying that you were advertising it as being suitable for four guests.

[3:53:55] Voice 15: Yeah.

[3:53:55] Voice 15: Well,

[3:53:55] Voice 3: it immediately then means that I thought maybe I can send more family, young children,

[3:54:01] Voice 3: because the website includes the child under two years old as one person.

[3:54:07] Voice 3: So I thought if I increase the number of people, I'd probably get a fairly young child.

[3:54:11] Voice 3: Now I intend to get three or four people there, so there's not enough space anyway.

[3:54:16] Voice 3: I understand.

[3:54:17] Voice 3: So I find all the advertising now, anyways, now for two people.

[3:54:22] Voice 3: So your advertisement is for three people?

[3:54:23] Voice 4: Yeah, I

[3:54:23] Voice 3: explain it for them.

[3:54:26] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:54:28] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:54:28] Voice 3: Thank you. And so the TUP date, it's for 32 months to take into consideration the fact that it was operating illegally, and this would be the last, this is a renewal, so they won't be able to reapply?

[3:54:46] Voice 3: Technically, they can reapply. It won't be a renewal again. It will be a new temporary use permit application. So it kind of goes in cycles. So it'll be a new application.

[3:54:59] Voice 4: Wait

[3:55:00] Voice 15: a minute. I need clarification here. I thought after the two temporary use permit

[3:55:06] Voice 15: periods were over, the first one, then the renewal period, then the applicant has to

[3:55:11] Voice 15: actually apply for a rezoning after that if they want

[3:55:14] Voice 15: to continue the use. Is that not correct?

[3:55:16] Voice 15: It's

[3:55:17] Voice 12: an option. So rezoning would be an option or apply for another temporary use permit.

[3:55:22] Voice 12: it okay and when

[3:55:24] Voice 15: they apply for that second

[3:55:25] Voice 3: temporary use permit not a renewal then public

[3:55:29] Voice 3: input is required yes

[3:55:32] Voice 15: because one of my one of the things I noted because we've received a lot

[3:55:36] Voice 15: of these over the last little while one of the things that concerns me is that a renewal does

[3:55:41] Voice 15: not require public notification and a lot can happen in the three years between the initial

[3:55:48] Voice 15: application and then the renewal a lot can happen that neighbors might be very concerned about and

[3:55:55] Voice 15: they don't have a chance to say anything when it comes up for renewal so i'll maybe i will decide

[3:56:01] Voice 15: yeah

[3:56:02] Voice 3: that's not the same as notifying the numbers but i can talk to that later but we'll

[3:56:12] Voice 3: we'll deal with the actual yes i have a suggestion perhaps um considering that we're heading into our

[3:56:20] Voice 3: ocp review and we do need to sound out the community as to

[3:56:25] Voice 3: their appetite for we want to

[3:56:28] Voice 3: allow these type of things as a regular use or home occupation or change that would we put this

[3:56:35] Voice 3: renewal to 18 months and that would sort of put us right at the public comment time where we can

[3:56:42] Voice 3: have that discussion and i think you can come back with a new application that's more in line with

[3:56:46] Voice 3: where i think you would like to go i think

[3:56:50] Voice 14: this is 18 months yeah it's 32.

[3:56:54] Voice 3: oh

[3:56:54] Voice 14: this is march 31st 2026 because it's backdated to the period of

[3:56:58] Voice 3: when the previous yeah when the

[3:57:01] Voice 3: initial attack expired yeah yeah because we're basically heading into a good period of new

[3:57:07] Voice 3: setting new conditions for how do we live together as a community um so to extend this to 2026 i think

[3:57:14] Voice 3: would be sort of continuing under the old regime could we not continue it for 18 months and then

[3:57:21] Voice 3: so

[3:57:22] Voice 6: that is that within the

[3:57:24] Voice 3: chairs yeah the

[3:57:27] Voice 3: otc can specify the term if it's different than what

[3:57:32] Voice 3: so then it would be best to specify a date yes you specify a date by the expiration

[3:57:40] Voice 3: in march 2025 shorter march 31st it's

[3:57:50] Voice 6: up to you to make a motion okay

[3:57:52] Voice 3: um i move that the

[3:57:54] Voice 3: gabriel island local trust committee approved and per use permit gbtup 2023.2 mckay subject

[3:58:02] Voice 3: to the conditions imposed by the permit with an expiry date of March 31st 2025. I'll second that

[3:58:09] Voice 3: motion. Seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor? So that carries.

[3:58:16] Voice 14: So that fulfills

[3:58:17] Voice 14: the requirement of the temporary use permit. So we've issued you the temporary use permit,

[3:58:22] Voice 14: but it expires on March 31st 2025.

[3:58:26] Voice 3: When I apply for renewal, I should get informed at that time.

[3:58:30] Voice 3: You've got to change the rule now.

[3:58:32] Voice 3: No, we

[3:58:33] Voice 6: have that authority.

[3:58:34] Voice 6: Sorry.

[3:58:36] Voice 3: Last year, I didn't put the first one.

[3:58:38] Voice 3: My first one was put one year after.

[3:58:41] Voice 3: Then I did it again the second time.

[3:58:44] Voice 3: So,

[3:58:44] Voice 14: Ms. McKay, it's within our authority to decide that.

[3:58:47] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:58:50] Voice 15: Just pursuant to short-term vacation rentals in general,

[3:58:55] Voice 15: I'm wondering if we could have staff at some point report back to us

[3:59:00] Voice 15: on the public notification for tup renewals that's

[3:59:07] Voice 3: not our legislation yeah it's the local

[3:59:09] Voice 3: legislation all right we'll be happy to provide more yeah specific information yeah okay thank

[3:59:17] Voice 3: you that's the sound advice i need so

[3:59:21] Voice 14: i'm going to move on 8.5 page 335 of the agenda

[3:59:26] Voice 14: gabriella development permit 2023.1 uh would fight interest state 510 north road is the

[3:59:33] Voice 14: applicant here okay you've seen the process we'll go to our staff report and margo are you

[3:59:42] Voice 12: again um i'm trying to keep it very brief today

[3:59:49] Voice 12: the purpose

[3:59:50] Voice 3: of this stock report is for the maryland island local trust community to consider

[3:59:55] Voice 3: a development firm application for development within development

[4:00:00] Voice 3: from an area seven, the village center,

[4:00:02] Voice 3: on the property, which is 510 North Road.

[4:00:10] Voice 3: Staff is recommending issuance of the permit

[4:00:13] Voice 3: as it meets the relevant guidelines.

[4:00:16] Voice 3: And just to note, a

[4:00:18] Voice 12: temporary patio

[4:00:18] Voice 12: is already in use in that area

[4:00:21] Voice 12: under the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch's

[4:00:23] Voice 12: temporary extended service area authorizations,

[4:00:27] Voice 12: which

[4:00:28] Voice 3: was issued during the COVID-19 pandemic.

[4:00:33] Voice 3: yeah if you have any questions about the proposed development permit or about anything else that's

[4:00:37] Voice 3: being proposed along with patio feel free to ask them the applicants can also speak to them

[4:00:43] Voice 3: thank you for such a great report it's very helpful and good photos too i really appreciate

[4:00:52] Voice 3: that so

[4:00:55] Voice 6: a motion if you don't have any questions i

[4:00:58] Voice 15: move that the gabriola island local trust

[4:01:00] Voice 15: committee approved issuance of gbdp 2023.1 subject to the conditions imposed therein

[4:01:07] Voice 14: second betcha

[4:01:09] Voice 14: state thank you any further discussion

[4:01:11] Voice 3: i wasn't paying i carried you now thank you for your

[4:01:16] Voice 15: patience

[4:01:16] Voice 3: uh

[4:01:18] Voice 14: the next one 8.6 temporary use permit 2022 garner at 671 balsam street another staff

[4:01:25] Voice 14: I have to report, not mute, who have I got here?

[4:01:31] Voice 14: I'm

[4:01:31] Planner McCargar: blind, we've got, there we are.

[4:01:34] Planner McCargar: Hi.

[4:01:35] Voice 3: You

[4:01:36] Voice 6: were here somewhere, over to you.

[4:01:38] Voice 3: All right,

[4:01:39] Planner McCargar: so this application was presented at the June LTC meeting.

[4:01:43] Planner McCargar: At that time, the LTC chose to defer the application to a future meeting

[4:01:48] Planner McCargar: so the applicant could apply for a water license

[4:01:50] Planner McCargar: as it was a condition of their original permit in 2018.

[4:01:54] Planner McCargar: 18. This is a renewal for a temporary use permit for a short-term vacation rental. The applicant

[4:02:02] Planner McCargar: submitted their application for a water license on June 12th. They have not heard anything about

[4:02:07] Planner McCargar: the current status of their application, and you can see in attachment 10, there's the response

[4:02:14] Planner McCargar: that they got. So, it could be a number of months even, I think, before they hear anything about the

[4:02:20] Planner McCargar: status. Nothing else in the application has changed since June. I'll just note that staff

[4:02:27] Planner McCargar: is recommending that since this TUP has been expired for 17 months, that the LTC issue a

[4:02:33] Planner McCargar: three-year renewal extension to the previous TUP expiry date instead of three years from

[4:02:39] Planner McCargar: a new issuance date. And then I just have one other point of clarification. On page 360 in

[4:02:48] Planner McCargar: in the agenda package, it's mentioned that the freshwater specialist recommends a pumping test

[4:02:53] Planner McCargar: be conducted during the dry season over a minimum of a four-hour period, followed by an assessment

[4:02:59] Planner McCargar: report. And this was a misrepresentation of that recommendation. The freshwater specialist

[4:03:05] Planner McCargar: clarified that likely a technical assessment is not needed for this particular TUP, as mentioned

[4:03:13] Planner McCargar: in the report, and a pumping test cannot be a four-hour test. So I just wanted to just point

[4:03:18] Planner McCargar: that out for clarity. It's not something that was a part of the staff recommendation, as it isn't in

[4:03:25] Planner McCargar: the TUP guidelines anyways, but I just wanted to make sure that we gave you accurate information

[4:03:31] Planner McCargar: and reflected the freshwater specialist's recommendation there.

[4:03:35] Voice 14: Okay, thank

[4:03:36] Planner McCargar: you for that

[4:03:37] Voice 14: detail. Is the applicant here? Through

[4:03:39] Voice 3: the chair, the applicant is present online. Okay. Julia

[4:03:43] Voice 3: Garner.

[4:03:44] Voice 9: Yeah, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. Oh,

[4:03:47] Voice 9: good, because I'm always worried about

[4:03:49] Voice 9: technical difficulties on Zoom.

[4:03:52] Voice 14: Yeah, you'll have to speak really clearly into the microphone,

[4:03:56] Voice 14: whatever you've got there, because it fades in and

[4:03:58] Voice 9: out a little. Okay, just a sec. Can you hear me

[4:04:01] Voice 9: me now yes

[4:04:02] Voice 14: okay

[4:04:03] Voice 9: perfect so do you have any

[4:04:06] Voice 9: questions for me or concerns at this point or

[4:04:08] Voice 9: i applied for the license i haven't heard

[4:04:11] Voice 9: anything back yet so i'm not sure how long it'll take

[4:04:15] Voice 9: to get the license right um so that's where i'm at right now

[4:04:19] Voice 14: okay so uh trustees do you have any

[4:04:22] Voice 14: questions for the applicant no i

[4:04:25] Voice 15: have a question just for staff what happens if i mean we did make

[4:04:30] Voice 15: this a condition of you know applying for the groundwater what happens if um the applicant

[4:04:35] Voice 15: just doesn't get it within the next year

[4:04:39] Voice 3: or so i would like to defer that through the chair to

[4:04:45] Voice 3: planner mccarter i think she's calculated yeah well

[4:04:50] Planner McCargar: there there there is it is actually a there's

[4:04:53] Planner McCargar: a good chance that it could be a year or more there's a huge backlog of these water licenses

[4:04:59] Planner McCargar: So we've heard that it can be an extended amount of time and there is the

[4:05:04] Planner McCargar: possibility that they could deem this not necessary for a water license so that it could come back as well.

[4:05:12] Voice 15: Thank

[4:05:13] Voice 3: you. Okay, thank you.

[4:05:22] Voice 14: I'll ask you to mute yourself, Julia, at the moment.

[4:05:26] Voice 3: And just in consideration that this expiry date falls in 2025,

[4:05:30] Voice 3: which is concurrent with where we're going to be at the end of the clinic consultation,

[4:05:35] Voice 3: I'm happy with making the motion that the Gabriel Island Trust Committee

[4:05:40] Voice 3: approved the issuance of temporary permit 2d 2k 2022-1 a renewal of previously issued

[4:05:48] Voice 3: to produce permit 2b2k 18.1 subject to the permission

[4:05:56] Voice 3: i'll

[4:05:57] Voice 15: second that motion so

[4:06:00] Voice 14: that's moved and seconded to uh approve the motion or approve

[4:06:04] Voice 14: the issuance of the permit and uh so i'll just ask uh for the discussion all those in favor

[4:06:10] Voice 14: so that carries unanimously so that concludes that thank you for joining us today julia

[4:06:16] Voice 14: okay thank you um 8.7 is where does it say gm must be gb thank

[4:06:26] Voice 3: you chair that's uh

[4:06:27] Voice 3: an error in um staffing report you should refer to gabriela and the permit is corrected to speak

[4:06:36] Voice 3: speak to Gabriel. So

[4:06:38] Voice 14: it's DVP 2022.1 Wilson, so 1036 Barry Point Road. And who's going to speak

[4:06:44] Voice 14: to this one?

[4:06:46] Voice 12: Planner McArthur. Okay, Planner McArthur.

[4:06:52] Planner McCargar: So this application is to vary the

[4:06:57] Planner McCargar: land use bylaw setback regulations to reduce the required setback from the natural boundary of the

[4:07:03] Planner McCargar: the sea from 30 meters to 20 meters in order to permit the siting of a new type two sewerage

[4:07:10] Planner McCargar: system to accommodate a new home that the applicant is building. The property is located

[4:07:16] Planner McCargar: on Berry Point Road. The new system, the new septic system is replacing an old system in nearly

[4:07:22] Planner McCargar: the same spot. Due to site constraints, the footprint of the proposed dwelling and the

[4:07:28] Planner McCargar: the location of existing wells and the small lot size, it appears this is the most optimal place

[4:07:33] Planner McCargar: to site the proposed sewerage system. The variance requested is within close proximity of a documented

[4:07:40] Planner McCargar: archaeological site, as indicated on the provincial system. The applicant has contacted the BC

[4:07:46] Planner McCargar: Archaeology Branch for any information about and advice on their specific property, and they're

[4:07:52] Planner McCargar: aware that there's a possibility that the lot may contain previously unrecorded archaeological

[4:07:57] Planner McCargar: archaeological material and they know what to do in that situation.

[4:08:01] Planner McCargar: CINEMO was notified on June 29th of this

[4:08:04] Planner McCargar: DVP application and given the opportunity to comment.

[4:08:09] Planner McCargar: And as of now, no comments have been received.

[4:08:13] Planner McCargar: OK, thank you.

[4:08:16] Voice 14: And is the applicant here?

[4:08:17] Voice 14: I

[4:08:18] Planner McCargar: believe the applicant's in the audience.

[4:08:20] Voice 14: Yeah, great.

[4:08:21] Voice 14: And do you understand the process?

[4:08:22] Voice 14: We've heard the report, you know, the trustees might want to ask you a question.

[4:08:27] Voice 14: yes yes and you concur with the outcome yes uh

[4:08:33] Voice 15: no questions i would like to thank planner

[4:08:36] Voice 15: mccargus for an excellent report once

[4:08:39] Voice 3: again okay

[4:08:41] Voice 6: trustee elliott i mean

[4:08:45] Voice 3: and thank you for the work

[4:08:48] Voice 3: that you've done in pre pre-engaging with us um instead of sort of doing it and then going oh

[4:08:54] Voice 3: we didn't say um but i am concerned that it would put this in potentially close proximity

[4:09:01] Voice 3: to the documented archaeological site so um what what the response from the

[4:09:09] Voice 3: knowledge branch or you just haven't heard back yet yes

[4:09:12] Voice 3: Yes, when

[4:09:12] Voice 5: I purchased it, it was a VC government agency,

[4:09:23] Voice 6: came back, it was an old, old, old

[4:09:26] Voice 6: archeological sites on this property, but I guess being near one, perhaps it's something

[4:09:32] Voice 6: new, but it was identified by Carter, and she sent me a link that I could ask or request

[4:09:45] class and had no experience

[4:09:50] Voice 6: or observed in that time.

[4:09:55] Voice 6: Came back again, same answer, no archaeological sites

[4:09:59] Voice 6: on this property.

[4:10:01] Voice 6: There was some description of something

[4:10:04] that was nearby, which was described as a rocky crevice,

[4:10:10] which I'm not sure if you're familiar with that area,

[4:10:11] but right here the water is a very big folder type rocky type area which perhaps

[4:10:21] Voice 6: referring to

[4:10:22] Voice 6: the property itself the current property has been an active orchard for years and it's a very

[4:10:32] heavily developed property and we're replacing

[4:10:37] Voice 6: sewer system basically exact same location

[4:10:50] Voice 6: You

[4:10:50] Voice 3: can't put it in the orchard, but the

[4:10:53] Voice 6: well is very

[4:10:55] Voice 3: similar

[4:11:00] Voice 6: to that other site.

[4:11:03] Voice 3: That's the well, I see and see.

[4:11:06] Voice 3: It's

[4:11:06] Voice 6: kind of narrow, long, narrow.

[4:11:16] So

[4:11:17] Voice 3: is there a sort of like a bluff or a cliff is it or it's just a 30

[4:11:23] Voice 6: foot it's a very quick transition at that point it's

[4:11:39] Voice 6: right i'm prepared to make a motion that'd be lovely

[4:11:47] Voice 6: i know this property quite well

[4:11:48] Voice 15: i'm very glad that a new septic system has been put in there i move that the gabriel island local

[4:11:55] Voice 15: test committee approve issuance of gb dvp

[4:11:59] Voice 3: 2023.1 moved

[4:12:04] Voice 6: seconded i'm

[4:12:07] Voice 5: just cautious it's just

[4:12:09] Voice 5: I'll

[4:12:11] Voice 6: second the motion.

[4:12:12] Voice 3: You can second the motion if you wish.

[4:12:16] Voice 3: Do you have similar questions?

[4:12:19] Voice 3: Well, there

[4:12:20] Voice 3: is a chance that the lot may contain previously unreported archaeological material.

[4:12:24] Voice 3: I know there's a septic system there now, but just because we've done something in the past and we know there's archaeological stuff, I know there's no people around.

[4:12:37] Voice 3: Well,

[4:12:38] Voice 6: yeah, it's clearly, clearly not, how would I say, undisturbed land.

[4:12:45] Voice 6: An orchard that had, probably at the time,

[4:12:49] Voice 6: more trees than ground irrigation systems and netting systems.

[4:13:00] Voice 6: It's very, very well used.

[4:13:06] Voice 6: But

[4:13:07] Voice 3: you get my point.

[4:13:08] Voice 3: point just because we've developed on a piece of land before to keep developing it if there's a bunch of gold uh heritage uh items of importance there well

[4:13:19] Voice 6: of course yeah and it but it's a near guy I guess

[4:13:25] Voice 6: I mean, I wasn't aware of the urgencies of the original, that's the only information

[4:13:30] I could see.

[4:13:31] And

[4:13:32] Voice 6: I did apply for a demolition permit for the house, and the R.E.M. started giving me

[4:13:39] that information to be aware

[4:13:44] Voice 6: that there could be something, and I'd like to see something

[4:13:48] Voice 6: or find something to report it.

[4:13:50] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:13:50] Voice 6: So I'm pretty glad with that.

[4:13:53] Voice 3: That was all I received.

[4:13:55] Voice 3: So are you

[4:13:56] Voice 14: familiar with the Chance Finds document that's on the Adam's Trust website?

[4:14:02] Voice 14: I would encourage you to look.

[4:14:04] Voice 14: It's called Chance Finds, and it's about what to do in the event that you find something.

[4:14:10] Voice 14: And you are aware that if you find something, you have to stop working and notify the other person.

[4:14:17] Voice 6: Yes,

[4:14:17] Voice 14: and going through the

[4:14:19] Voice 14: demolition permit

[4:14:20] Voice 8: for the house, which is still standing, I don't share most of the house, but it's quite a

[4:14:24] Voice 3: package.

[4:14:27] Voice 14: Well,

[4:14:28] Voice 3: it's probably a similar document to what we have, but we're checking our documents to make sure that

[4:14:33] Voice 6: you have completed.

[4:14:35] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:14:38] Voice 6: And I mean,

[4:14:40] Voice 3: I'm in support as long as the applicant does your due diligence.

[4:14:44] Voice 3: And if you find something, please respect the fact that there's, yes,

[4:14:48] Voice 3: we want to protect that area.

[4:14:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[4:14:57] Voice 6: So shall I call the vote then?

[4:14:59] Voice 6: Yes.

[4:14:59] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[4:15:01] Voice 14: That carries.

[4:15:03] Voice 14: Okay.

[4:15:04] Voice 14: So that concludes our applications today.

[4:15:08] Voice 14: We have a referral briefing of sorts from the regional district of

[4:15:12] Voice 14: and i'm regarding the draft regional growth strategy and uh regional planning manager

[4:15:18] Voice 14: gemara do you have the lead up this way thank

[4:15:21] Voice 3: you through the chair i'll be brief as well

[4:15:23] Voice 3: um this briefing is um to share information through the agenda to the lc as well as the

[4:15:30] Voice 3: community on the draft regional growth strategy by the region opportunity through the letter

[4:15:38] Voice 3: inviting the ltc should you wish to meet and discuss any comments or share any comments

[4:15:45] Voice 3: with the regional district um what this briefing does is just provide a general overview

[4:15:51] Voice 3: of some comments um not nothing worth flagging of areas of concern um so i just wanted to highlight

[4:15:58] Voice 3: that for you and should you wish to provide comment to the rdn um you're more than welcome to

[4:16:05] Voice 3: send your comments along to staff and you can share that as well

[4:16:10] Voice 6: okay thank

[4:16:11] Voice 3: you and it looks like the deadline is on august 4th right um

[4:16:16] Voice 6: so are there any questions

[4:16:18] Voice 6: from members then we'll just receive that for information

[4:16:24] Voice 14: that's the best

[4:16:26] Voice 3: way to manage that

[4:16:27] Voice 3: now

[4:16:28] Voice 14: i promised that we would come back to the 7.2 minor project after all

[4:16:33] Voice 14: ecological protection zone update and actually deliver back the pigeons and pearls

[4:16:39] Voice 14: so here we are we started um on that interesting conversation so um have you

[4:16:45] Voice 14: had further reflections over the lunch break or any intervening time

[4:16:50] Voice 3: there's a suggested revolution with the last with the referral through through the chair

[4:16:57] Voice 3: that's in there

[4:16:58] Voice 3: should we want uh oh do you

[4:17:01] Voice 3: want it to make

[4:17:02] Voice 3: additional comments okay yeah we

[4:17:04] Voice 7: just received it

[4:17:05] Voice 3: oh okay thank you sorry that's right so the

[4:17:09] Voice 14: gabriella ecological rejection zone i see steven is back online with us thank you for joining us

[4:17:14] Voice 14: again and um where

[4:17:18] Voice 4: are we at firstly

[4:17:26] Voice 3: i think we should go with um what the rdm comments are

[4:17:31] Voice 3: even without those apps

[4:17:34] Voice 6: you'd like to make that motion

[4:17:40] Voice 3: i'd like to make that one page 34 i like that thank you

[4:17:46] Voice 3: sounds locked up well times again i read

[4:17:50] Voice 3: a lot of notes

[4:17:50] Voice 5: i move

[4:18:00] Voice 3: that the gabriel island local trust committee accept the comments from the

[4:18:04] Voice 3: the regional district of Nanaimo staff and electoral area director.

[4:18:10] Voice 6: Well, seconded by Trustee Elliott. Thank you. Any further discussion? No?

[4:18:17] Voice 6: All those in favor? Okay.

[4:18:21] Voice 6: We will still have the opportunity to discuss that.

[4:18:31] Voice 14: Leonard Bowden, do you have any further advice or are you just going to answer that question?

[4:18:35] Voice 2: yeah i was just going to answer that question so they're all good yeah and it'll come back to you

[4:18:40] Voice 2: again thank

[4:18:41] Voice 14: you very much thank you for joining us today i'm going to go through to correspondence

[4:18:48] Voice 14: here department of fisheries the ocean standard consultation check and schedule one of the species

[4:18:54] Voice 14: at risk act um is there anything else that we're receiving for information staff would like to do

[4:19:02] Voice 3: there were only two species on that list that i recognize and i do know those species

[4:19:08] Voice 3: uh

[4:19:09] Voice 6: -huh i

[4:19:10] Voice 3: think studied them years ago um yeah the quillback rockfish and the white sturgeon

[4:19:16] Voice 3: yeah yeah it's

[4:19:21] Voice 14: sad to think that go back rockfish and the

[4:19:24] Voice 3: white sturgeon has been in danger for a

[4:19:26] Voice 3: very long um

[4:19:29] Voice 14: so then i'll just say that we received that information thank you very much so

[4:19:35] Voice 14: new business items now we've got to have two that were on the agenda originally and the third one

[4:19:39] Voice 14: regarding gaming bay uh anchorages so the first one being gabrielle commons foundation request

[4:19:45] Voice 14: to be able to be seated covenant holder page 511 and uh general are you going to take

[4:19:54] Voice 6: us on that

[4:19:54] Voice 6: through

[4:19:55] Voice 3: the chair planners have been i had to step away um so can we come back to it um we can

[4:20:03] Voice 3: if the ltc is comfortable making a motion with the recommendations that would be fine and still

[4:20:10] Voice 3: great okay trustees i'm

[4:20:15] Voice 3: lost sorry page

[4:20:16] Voice 6: 511.

[4:20:20] Voice 3: and the applicants are here as well or the others

[4:20:28] Voice 6: so did the applicants have any remarks that you three all right thank you thank you for the work

[4:20:38] Voice 6: that you do question

[4:20:42] Voice 3: about um what kind of body can be a covenant holder um or significant stories

[4:20:51] Voice 3: to the covenant is it just government bodies is it profits is it somebody that

[4:20:58] Voice 7: has an interest

[4:20:59] Voice 7: i

[4:20:59] Voice 3: think so through the chair it could be between two property owners it could be there's a local

[4:21:04] Voice 3: local government and a property owner and nonprofits or other organizations it could be

[4:21:09] Voice 3: anybody who um owes the property as a property owner and could be an authority so yeah it's

[4:21:17] Voice 14: fairly common for the lgc to be the

[4:21:18] Voice 3: a

[4:21:20] Voice 14: covenant holder because then they are looking after the

[4:21:25] Voice 14: community interest

[4:21:25] Voice 15: i have a question chair luckum um regarding recommendation number three um

[4:21:32] Voice 15: whether we wish to see the cost recovery

[4:21:36] Voice 15: with the Gabriela Commons Foundation.

[4:21:39] Voice 15: And if we do or identify which budget

[4:21:43] Voice 15: we need the legal review to come from.

[4:21:45] Voice 15: Can I get a bit of staff advice on that?

[4:21:49] Voice 3: Sure.

[4:21:49] Voice 3: Through the chair,

[4:21:51] Voice 3: this recommendation was made to recognize

[4:21:54] Voice 3: that there might be some legal costs incurred

[4:21:58] Voice 3: for the Islands Trust to do a final review

[4:22:02] Voice 3: deal of the covenant draft the um gmf gcf group has done a great job of preparing the agreement

[4:22:11] Voice 3: before they um realized they needed to or had made the ask for the office to be involved

[4:22:17] Voice 3: um so it would just be one of the the pieces that we do is a due diligence so um we put that in as

[4:22:26] Voice 3: a recommendation just recognizing that's an aspect there to consider um you may not wish to

[4:22:34] Voice 3: make that recommendation and we've got one out okay okay so the default would be we would pay

[4:22:41] Voice 3: them to review our yeah okay

[4:22:45] Voice 15: yeah i'm prepared to make the first motion okay that

[4:22:50] Voice 15: the gabriel island

[4:22:51] Voice 15: local test committee indicate their level of support to become signatories to the draft

[4:22:55] Voice 15: covenant prepared under section 219 of the land title act from the registered owners of the

[4:23:01] Voice 15: the gabriela commons 675 north road gabriela island lot one plan vip 27281 section 19 land

[4:23:10] Voice 15: district 32 gabriela island pid 002 600 992 intended to protect preserve and steward the

[4:23:19] Voice 15: land and amenities as a community commons moved

[4:23:24] Voice 3: seconded and any discussion

[4:23:30] Voice 4: I

[4:23:32] Voice 15: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to receive a legal review of the draft covenant prepared by the registered owners of the Gabriela Commons, 675 North Road, Gabriela Island, Block 1, Plan BIP 27281, Section 19, Land District 32, Gabriela Island, PID 002-600-992.

[4:23:54] Voice 7: Move to have a seconder.

[4:23:56] Voice 15: Do we need a legal review?

[4:23:58] Voice 15: Yes, we do.

[4:24:00] Voice 3: Is that the ask?

[4:24:05] Voice 6: So that's seconded?

[4:24:06] Voice 6: Yes.

[4:24:07] Voice 6: I mean, first it's a schedule.

[4:24:09] Voice 6: I wasn't paid.

[4:24:11] Voice 6: That carries.

[4:24:12] Voice 6: I can't wait.

[4:24:13] Voice 6: And it shows a direction.

[4:24:15] Voice 3: I would be inclined to leave off number three.

[4:24:19] Voice 3: That's okay.

[4:24:22] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, it may be necessary at some point.

[4:24:25] Voice 3: Well,

[4:24:26] Voice 14: you know, I would say, just being objective,

[4:24:30] Voice 14: that it's obviously out of some benefit to another party, right?

[4:24:37] Voice 14: Although in some half of the community, I absolutely recognize that.

[4:24:40] Voice 14: There's this cost associated with it.

[4:24:42] Voice 14: We have to be conscious of making those fiscal decisions.

[4:24:45] Voice 14: But certainly in the case of a community interest

[4:24:49] Voice 14: rather than a private for-profit organization,

[4:24:57] Voice 14: it would be perhaps different.

[4:24:58] Voice 14: But it's a fiscal question that we're responsible to ask.

[4:25:01] Voice 14: yeah

[4:25:01] Voice 3: and through the church to clarify this is to indicate whether uh the ldc wish to seek a

[4:25:08] Voice 3: cost recovery and you know

[4:25:13] Voice 14: it won't be inexpensive but it won't be expensive yeah

[4:25:16] Voice 6: so if you don't

[4:25:19] Voice 6: wish to take any further action when we want perfect

[4:25:22] Voice 14: um so the next item here is crown lease

[4:25:27] Voice 14: referral period for discussion that's a discussion so did one of you bring

[4:25:34] Voice 6: that to us

[4:25:34] Voice 3: yes i did

[4:25:38] this

[4:25:40] Voice 3: has been an ongoing series of conversations and email and questions to staff

[4:25:48] Voice 3: or i guess someone doesn't have you know so there are two things um i i want to see us request a

[4:25:59] Voice 3: longer referral period at least 60 days for public that allows for public comment for all

[4:26:08] Voice 3: such referrals on these crown leases or like gravel extraction

[4:26:13] Voice 5: because

[4:26:17] Voice 3: the one that we received

[4:26:18] Voice 3: you know last month we there was a ton of comment on it but it was too late for us to actually do

[4:26:25] Voice 3: anything about it so let's deal with these two things separately because the second part of it

[4:26:34] Voice 3: and i did talk to you about this um on our camera is what to do about the one that is in current

[4:26:41] Voice 3: operation that may actually require a rezoning application and does seem to have things happening

[4:26:49] Voice 3: on it that don't quite match what should be happening

[4:26:52] Voice 4: so i have a question with regarding

[4:27:00] Voice 4: regarding asking for a longer

[4:27:01] Voice 3: referral period would that apply to the whole trust area or would

[4:27:04] Voice 3: we be asking for it for the gabriola trust through the chair um for this um type of referral it's a

[4:27:14] Voice 3: crown referral for standing gravel work um my understanding is the referral period from this

[4:27:25] Voice 3: particular agency is quite limited yeah so we can

[4:27:29] Voice 3: only ask they may not provide an extension

[4:27:32] Voice 3: um we asked for this particular one because the information that we looked at sent a correction

[4:27:39] Voice 3: on that verified that the reason would be required they didn't take to um to our planner doing the

[4:27:49] Voice 3: referral to say we don't do this but we'll give you that referral extension so i think what my

[4:27:56] Voice 3: suggestion would be is we work to do our best work from the referral process and we set something up

[4:28:02] Voice 3: so that the ltc trustee should you wish to comment we share that very tightly with you and you can

[4:28:09] Voice 3: send the comments through to staff you can prepare it my only concern with the timeliness of it is it

[4:28:16] Voice 3: may not make it back to the council an ltc meeting but the comment prepared or provided by the

[4:28:23] Voice 3: trustees would still make it

[4:28:24] Voice 3: to the record so that may be a workaround in my way and we can um if

[4:28:32] Voice 3: there's some direction i think so for the overall referral process that one the consideration um for

[4:28:38] Voice 3: this particular referral application um we can suggest that the ltc provide comments to us

[4:28:46] Voice 3: by July 28 by their extended time frame that the agencies allowed us and we can still include those

[4:28:54] Voice 3: comments we'll just have to try more finally so here's another question so the correspondence

[4:29:04] Voice 3: that I have

[4:29:05] Voice 15: received and I think I think you also have received it from neighbors

[4:29:10] Voice 3: particularly the

[4:29:13] Voice 3: neighbor where this gravel pit has a right-of-way right across their

[4:29:20] Voice 3: property with with those comments be part of what we're dealing with so

[4:29:31] Voice 3: through the chair and the islands trust referral response would be related to

[4:29:38] Voice 3: the areas that we would have the 40 over which is land use so the referral

[4:29:43] Voice 3: referral process, the planner who's assigned for that referral would check it according to the land use bylaw to advise if it's aligned or is not required and rezoning would be required, for example.

[4:29:54] Voice 3: Other aspects outside of the zoning bylaw can be provided for information and feedback.

[4:30:00] Voice 3: through the referral. So if there's noise that there's concerns about noise or that's or an alternate route, or to that effect, we can provide those comments. So but just know that it's in addition to or outside of the comments you would provide. So I would say you can include them. They would just take preparation for the agency.

[4:30:24] Voice 3: Okay. So, for example, in the application, according to the neighbor whose

[4:30:34] Voice 15: property right away goes right across, it stated that the nearest habitation and water source are more than 500 meters away.

[4:30:44] Voice 3: But that doesn't appear to be correct, because that property owner, not the gravel pit operator, has installed septic power and a permanent trailer on the property.

[4:30:55] Voice 3: and the well was there in 2001 so you know i'm concerned that this this particular operation

[4:31:05] Voice 3: at the end of dempsey seems to have like

[4:31:09] Voice 15: real problems in my sense um the original access for

[4:31:15] Voice 15: example did not go in through two neighborhoods it went down south road and then down wharf road

[4:31:21] Voice 3: straight to a barge and everything went off my barge and now these huge

[4:31:27] Voice 15: trucks are thundering

[4:31:29] Voice 15: through these two neighborhoods with you know trashing the roads literally I've seen what

[4:31:34] Voice 15: you know dust and noise and so the original

[4:31:41] Voice 15: application doesn't have that map even it's

[4:31:43] Voice 15: not even the same map location the

[4:31:46] Voice 3: same road access so through the chair I think that's part

[4:31:50] Voice 3: of the challenge too is it's in the gabriel community we only have we have limited file

[4:31:56] Voice 3: laws that deal with that we don't deal with roads right so we can pass along those comments and

[4:32:01] Voice 3: hopefully they get the right agency through this referral um i think it's it's just good to

[4:32:08] Voice 3: recognize that you can make those comments about the routes and suggest that they not go through

[4:32:12] Voice 3: those neighborhoods and and that sort of thing but understanding that they may the agency may take

[4:32:18] Voice 3: of that and

[4:32:20] Voice 3: do it that way.

[4:32:25] Voice 6: So it strikes me

[4:32:26] Voice 6: what you just said there that

[4:32:29] Voice 6: that information about

[4:32:30] Voice 14: the use of the road and the potential degradation

[4:32:32] Voice 14: of the road is definitely something

[4:32:34] Voice 14: the ministry would be concerned about.

[4:32:36] Voice 3: And it may be

[4:32:38] Voice 3: helpful to hear that.

[4:32:40] Voice 14: So it's

[4:32:40] Voice 3: so good to make those comments.

[4:32:42] Voice 3: Okay. So we

[4:32:45] Voice 3: will have the ability to do that before July

[4:32:48] Voice 3: 28th, right?

[4:32:50] Voice 3: I

[4:32:50] Voice 14: think you have to act on it.

[4:32:52] Voice 3: Oh,

[4:32:52] Voice 15: yeah, if we ask for that.

[4:32:54] Voice 3: You've

[4:32:54] Voice 14: asked for the extension.

[4:32:55] Voice 14: Okay.

[4:32:56] Voice 14: We've

[4:32:56] Voice 3: already, the chair has already asked for the extension.

[4:32:59] Voice 3: That's the extension for July 12th.

[4:33:01] Voice 15: Okay.

[4:33:02] Voice 15: So do we need a motion?

[4:33:04] Voice 3: I can, I have some suggestive wording that could sound something like the Gabriela Highlands

[4:33:11] Voice 3: Local Trust Committee requests staff to share the referral db-cl-2021.1 to the LTC to provide

[4:33:22] Voice 3: comments to staff for the referral response by july 20th i'm i make that motion it's a move thank

[4:33:30] Voice 3: you lisa thanks

[4:33:32] Voice 6: i think so uh give you a little

[4:33:39] Voice 3: trust committee request out to share the referral

[4:33:54] Voice 3: So it's moved and seconded.

[4:33:58] Voice 6: Seconded.

[4:33:58] Voice 6: Any discussion?

[4:34:01] Voice 6: All in favor?

[4:34:02] Voice 6: That carries.

[4:34:03] Voice 6: There you go.

[4:34:04] Voice 6: Thank you very much for bringing that.

[4:34:08] Voice 3: And here's another, here's a quick question.

[4:34:11] Voice 3: Say this happens again.

[4:34:13] Voice 3: How does the public, you know,

[4:34:15] Voice 3: how does the public

[4:34:16] Voice 15: make comments on something like this because the public did make comments

[4:34:20] Voice 15: on this but they came to me personally and then you know I shared them with the staff

[4:34:25] Voice 14: there should be a public there

[4:34:28] Voice 3: is a public in the church yes

[4:34:30] Voice 3: it would be ideal to direct them back to the agency

[4:34:33] Voice 3: okay good to know

[4:34:40] Voice 14: I'll go to 11.3 which is also a new item

[4:34:44] Voice 14: and that's what it's about the anchorages

[4:34:50] Voice 3: it's just an ongoing issue um i know by law enforcement does uh is active and um

[4:35:00] Voice 3: as you are able to work and i just want to be responsive to the public that is inquiring

[4:35:07] Voice 3: what are we doing about anchorages or the perception that we're not regulating mortgages

[4:35:15] Voice 3: So, all it is, is I'd like to request staff to review comments from the public around the Island's Trust jurisdiction,

[4:35:24] Voice 3: and W2 Water Zones, I think it's, is it W2? Water Protection Zone?

[4:35:32] Voice 3: Yeah, the Water Zones, to clarify how it might be addressed in the upcoming OCP review,

[4:35:38] Voice 3: you in conjunction with the forthcoming report from bylaw enforcement regarding the autonomous

[4:35:44] Voice 3: trust authority and regarding the regulating anchorages and marine voice sorry lisa

[4:35:49] Voice 3: all right thanks for coming so request stop to review comments from the public around our

[4:35:59] Voice 3: jurisdiction and water zones to clarify how this could be addressed in the upcoming ocp review

[4:36:10] Voice 3: comma maybe this isn't necessary but in conjunction with the forthcoming report from

[4:36:17] Voice 3: bylaw enforcement just in august all that regarding the island stress authority

[4:36:24] Voice 3: authority to regulate anchorages and variables and that kind

[4:36:36] Voice 3: of goes along with your shoreline

[4:36:37] Voice 3: protection requests and we literally went to manor bay um because that's where they license

[4:36:45] Voice 3: and regulate anchors and stuff so we just want to know how could that be folded into a future

[4:36:51] Voice 3: hosting process because we keep getting asked questions about it so I'll second that that's

[4:36:58] Voice 3: okay yeah

[4:36:59] Voice 14: uh moved and checking it well actually let's hear it back before checking it

[4:37:03] Voice 3: uh the

[4:37:05] Voice 3: gabriel island local trust committee request staff to review comments from the public around our

[4:37:10] Voice 3: jurisdiction in denver bay and water zones to clarify how this could be uh well the jurisdiction

[4:37:20] Voice 3: could be

[4:37:20] Voice 6: addressed at jurisdiction how it can be addressed in the upcoming

[4:37:26] Voice 6: ocp review yeah

[4:37:30] Voice 3: Sure, I think that's what I had, but that's absolutely it.

[4:37:36] Voice 3: So I'll read to you what I have.

[4:37:38] Voice 3: I have a local trust committee request staff to review comments from the jurisdiction in

[4:37:43] Voice 3: Degna Bay and water zones to clarify how this could be addressed.

[4:37:47] Voice 3: The upcoming OCP review in conjunction with forthcoming report from bylaw enforcement

[4:37:52] Voice 3: enforcement this coming August regarding the authority to regulate anchorages in one voice

[4:38:15] Voice 3: all

[4:38:16] Voice 14: right so that's something okay so I'm just going to go through these reasonably quickly

[4:38:21] Voice 14: quickly. Trust Conservancy report dated June 2023. We don't have, unless you want to make

[4:38:31] Voice 14: any remarks. Thank you. Application report dated July the 13th. Are there any questions

[4:38:40] Voice 14: on any of the applications? So trustee and local expense report dated May 2023. If you

[4:38:47] Voice 14: have any questions about that i need to go to the financial staff

[4:38:50] Voice 6: so

[4:38:51] Voice 14: adopt policies and standing

[4:38:53] Voice 14: resolutions that there for information uh local trust committee web page i believe there was a

[4:38:59] Voice 14: change if you requested for the web page that

[4:39:02] Voice 3: was folded into the recommended or the resolution

[4:39:07] Voice 3: perhaps the materials and then through the translated follow-up action yeah so okay

[4:39:17] Voice 3: okay excellent climate change action upgrade only time no action you know

[4:39:25] Voice 14: i just actually want to

[4:39:26] Voice 14: make a remark and i think it's valuable that um i've been on the world for the last week

[4:39:34] Voice 14: there are an incredible number of electric vehicles and electric bikes out there and if we

[4:39:40] Voice 14: haven't reduced our climate emissions we have certainly slowed it down and i think that's

[4:39:46] Voice 14: remarkable. So, there you go.

[4:39:48] Voice 14: Which is good,

[4:39:49] Voice 3: because we're also

[4:39:50] Voice 3: clear-cutting a lot of places.

[4:39:51] Voice 3: Yeah, for a little guy.

[4:39:53] Voice 3: But it would be great if we could

[4:39:57] Voice 14: reduce...

[4:39:57] Voice 14: The

[4:39:57] Voice 3: industry could also do

[4:40:00] Voice 3: its part, because I don't think

[4:40:02] Voice 3: regular car consumers

[4:40:04] Voice 3: are the biggest contributors to

[4:40:06] Voice 14: carbon.

[4:40:06] Voice 14: In fact, there was an electric

[4:40:10] Voice 14: bus on the ferry yesterday.

[4:40:13] Voice 14: So, let's

[4:40:14] Voice 14: keep going. Active projects,

[4:40:16] Voice 14: report dated July 13th.

[4:40:19] Voice 14: That's there for our information.

[4:40:20] Voice 14: John and Matt, do you want to change it?

[4:40:22] Voice 15: Just a really quick question. Is the

[4:40:24] Voice 15: DAI byline there

[4:40:26] Voice 15: anywhere?

[4:40:28] Voice 15: Because I just missed it. I usually catch

[4:40:30] Voice 15: it by the way.

[4:40:31] Voice 15: I hear

[4:40:31] Voice 15: it from you.

[4:40:32] Voice 3: Yes, which is future projects.

[4:40:35] Voice 14: Future projects. I mean, you've added

[4:40:36] Voice 14: another future project today, I think.

[4:40:39] Voice 14: At least one.

[4:40:41] Voice 14: So is that okay? We'll receive those information?

[4:40:43] Voice 14: Yes. Very good. We got our work cut out

[4:40:45] Voice 14: for us so the next regular meeting scheduled for thursday september 14 2023 at 10 30 a.m at the

[4:40:52] Voice 14: gabriel arts and heritage center we are now going to go into a closed uh meeting in canada um we

[4:41:00] Voice 14: will only return to adjourn the meeting so i think we're going to stop the recording at this juncture

[4:41:06] Voice 14: and um and so perhaps you might i can do that from here you can do that i

[4:41:14] Voice 3: would like you to do it

[4:41:16] Voice 3: all

[4:41:16] Voice 14: right and so then we'll give you the chance to open up so thank you everybody for joining us

[4:41:22] Voice 14: today and um so we'll call the meeting adjourned and we're going to go into a closed-in camera

[4:41:29] Voice 14: meeting by motion can some of you make the motion i'll bring

[4:41:33] Voice 3: you back i move the meeting be closed

[4:41:36] Voice 3: to the public and parts of the charter part four division three section 91 for the purpose of

[4:41:41] Voice 3: considering f law enforcement the council considers that disclosure could reasonably

[4:41:45] Voice 3: be expected conduct an investigation under more enforcement of an act and that the reporter and

[4:41:52] Voice 3: staff can be seconded

[4:41:55] Voice 14: all in favor that carries we are now in camera so we'll give you a moment to

[4:42:00] Voice 14: to get your...