North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 28, 2023

[0:00:32] Voice 7: okay

[0:00:33] Voice 18: everybody if we get started that'd be great thank you very much

[0:00:40] Voice 18: good morning thank you for joining us today for the special art for the meeting of the

[0:00:46] Voice 18: north pender island local trust committee i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging

[0:00:50] Voice 18: that we are fortunate to be able to gather today in locations across the traditional territory

[0:00:53] Voice 18: of the coast salish people i'm david mod i'm elected on main island and i'm chair of the

[0:00:58] Voice 18: north pender island local trust committee i'm joined today by your two north pender island

[0:01:03] Voice 18: trustees aaron campbell and deb morrison uh together we make a defender on local trust

[0:01:09] Voice 18: committee um this meeting is being live streamed it's also being recorded and will be available

[0:01:15] Voice 18: soon on the island's trust website we have some staff members joining us today we have robert

[0:01:20] Voice 18: kojima the regional planning manager for island's trust southern office um we have planner brad

[0:01:26] Voice 18: smith we have um our violent enforcement manager warren dingman uh we have pat todd who is our

[0:01:32] Voice 18: recorder um and we have emily uh bryant who's handling all the technical details to the zoom

[0:01:38] Voice 18: meeting which we very much appreciate um this meeting is an official forum for your local trust

[0:01:44] Voice 18: committee to make decisions about language planning matters and discuss relevant business

[0:01:48] Voice 18: i want to add this is a place of employment despite the fact many staff are in their own

[0:01:52] Voice 18: homes our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace and we will start off with

[0:01:56] Voice 18: approval the objectives any additional solutions yeah absolutely a

[0:02:01] Voice 6: couple quick things back and

[0:02:03] Voice 6: forth in the email one was um if we can have a discussion about how we have a correspondence

[0:02:08] Voice 6: under 12 so 12.1 uh just how we're logging more plants okay and

[0:02:16] Voice 6: then under 13 can we do at 13.7

[0:02:20] Voice 6: i know it's not an application but i think it's where it sits around the plum tree court

[0:02:23] Voice 6: conversation do we need to discuss them like just the country court community authorization and if

[0:02:30] Voice 6: we can just put it in there and we have anything to say about it yeah yeah so let's stick it in

[0:02:37] Voice 6: there does

[0:02:38] Voice 18: that sound i

[0:02:39] Voice 8: think let's say it might fit better under other new business or you could

[0:02:41] Voice 8: talk about it when robert presents his housing yeah okay

[0:02:45] Voice 6: the housing one under 15 yeah okay so

[0:02:48] Voice 7: yeah i have a choice so fortunately it's probably a better fit okay so yeah perfect

[0:02:56] Voice 16: sorry could you

[0:02:57] Voice 16: repeat what you're adding there please

[0:02:59] Voice 18: uh under um 14.2 we're going to have a discussion about

[0:03:05] Voice 18: the plum tree board plum

[0:03:07] Voice 16: tree court yes

[0:03:08] Voice 7: okay thank

[0:03:12] Voice 16: you perfect

[0:03:13] Voice 7: all righty so

[0:03:16] Voice 18: nothing else

[0:03:17] Voice 18: so by consent we will adopt the agenda as modified. Okay we'll start with trustee

[0:03:25] Voice 18: reports who wants to be the first?

[0:03:32] Voice 11: It's been

[0:03:33] Voice 8: a while since we've had a meeting but we're having so many and we can have a session on each other.

[0:03:40] Voice 8: um relatively quiet last little bit um having finished up about our review process

[0:03:50] Voice 7: and uh

[0:03:58] Voice 8: and so just a few of the topics that have come forward um tree cutting and uh and lots of

[0:04:07] Voice 8: discussion with folks about uh affordable housing and and the sort of what people would like to see

[0:04:13] Voice 8: or what they hope could be possible on the vendor um and i mean an opportunity possibly

[0:04:21] Voice 8: going in and looking at plum tree court and what they have approval for um so that's been sort of

[0:04:29] Voice 8: the main focus of of uh of talks and stuff with folks is is what we're going to do about housing

[0:04:36] Voice 8: specifically workforce

[0:04:37] Voice 11: type people on down all

[0:04:41] Voice 6: right and

[0:04:42] Voice 7: can you hear me in the back if i talk

[0:04:44] Voice 7: at this level yeah okay so

[0:04:46] Voice 6: I can't talk too loud today because I'll lose my voice um so a couple

[0:04:52] Voice 6: things on a personal note and then that I feel I need to share with your representative and then

[0:04:57] Voice 6: a couple things related to work so first of all I've been really ill for the last month um I'm

[0:05:03] Voice 6: feeling okay now but it's been a hard year um so bear with me if I'm behind on correspondence

[0:05:11] Voice 6: on it and trying to keep up on it your best method which some of you have figured out is just to text

[0:05:16] Voice 6: me um so karen got that one down in there so so um i'm fine i'm i will be fine um but i have been

[0:05:26] Voice 6: dealing with some chronic respiratory problems um so uh also many of you have texted me or emailed

[0:05:36] Voice 6: me and i put a thing in the pender post related to the sale of my house so my house went up for sale

[0:05:41] Voice 6: and people are like what is going on yeah that's pretty much my question for my life right now um

[0:05:47] Voice 6: due to family um issues that i don't really want to get into in a public forum you can talk to me

[0:05:53] Voice 6: individually about um we had to sell our home and we're looking for a home because my my brother

[0:06:00] Voice 6: has moved in with us um and so because of that we have spent the last year trying to find appropriate

[0:06:07] Voice 6: appropriate housing ironically now that we're going to do a housing project um to make this

[0:06:11] Voice 6: all work and we have been unable to find anything on pender so we are moving to salt spring and i

[0:06:19] Voice 6: have checked with russ hossenbauer about it and i can maintain as the trustee here without living

[0:06:23] Voice 6: on the island um if you have any thoughts about that please don't take them to social media just

[0:06:28] Voice 6: email me um and i will try to address your concerns i've worked with a number of community

[0:06:34] Voice 6: members who are just like can I just say thank you to all of the different people who have reached

[0:06:38] Voice 6: out and helped me figure out this transition um hopefully it's not a long-term transition

[0:06:43] Voice 6: hopefully it's an intermediate step to something back here because this is my home um but uh

[0:06:51] Voice 6: community members have really helped uh try and figure out what that's going to look like

[0:06:55] Voice 6: so I have a place to stay when I come for a couple days at a time stay here work here take the

[0:07:01] Voice 6: meetings i also ironically we're having the pender trust council is on pender in september right

[0:07:08] Voice 6: after i moved off pender which was really frustrating but i will be here for at least a

[0:07:13] Voice 6: day in advance of that and the whole meeting so do um please let me know if you have anything

[0:07:18] Voice 6: it will mean that site visit type things have to be pre-planned i can't do the spontaneous hey can

[0:07:24] Voice 6: you walk out to my house and take a look at this that's going to be difficult to do so i will need

[0:07:29] Voice 6: to try and cluster those around monthly um visits or you know if there's something urgent just let

[0:07:34] Voice 6: me know um don't trust email phone me or text me okay

[0:07:38] Voice 5: um

[0:07:39] Voice 6: so that's the sort of chaos of my personal

[0:07:42] Voice 6: life which i'm trying to navigate to continue to represent for everyone here um and i actually feel

[0:07:48] Voice 6: like it's manageable because i also shifted a radical amount of stuff in my professional life

[0:07:53] Voice 6: to make things work for this um so again thanks to all of the folks who stepped up to help with

[0:07:58] Voice 6: that um and as part of that i now have my own personal chef and my brother he's fabulous so

[0:08:08] Voice 6: i don't cook at home anymore which is um okay so on a trust run i've had a number of meetings

[0:08:17] Voice 6: with community around forestry around the clam bay situation that um that is a concern over there

[0:08:24] Voice 6: the agricultural building um and then i've also met with um a number of people on other types of

[0:08:34] Voice 6: issues i have a few meetings set up as well around country court i understand and um so do if you

[0:08:41] Voice 6: have some issue you want to talk more deeply with me about do just reach out and schedule something

[0:08:47] Voice 6: it's totally doable um i am tracking email reasonably well for those requests for meetings

[0:08:53] Voice 6: so you can try that but also a text to say hey I shot you an email with more depth is a good idea

[0:08:59] Voice 6: okay

[0:08:59] Voice 14: um

[0:09:00] Voice 6: I think that's probably it for now oh wait one last thing the most important thing

[0:09:05] Voice 6: my husband got third place at the world uh

[0:09:12] Voice 6: he's going for the Canadian nationals he'll be a Canadian national

[0:09:17] Voice 4: he's

[0:09:18] Voice 6: the he's the um defending master's champion

[0:09:21] Voice 6: okay that's it very impressive

[0:09:26] Voice 7: glad

[0:09:27] Voice 18: you're feeling better

[0:09:28] Voice 18: wish you good travels over to salt spring it's it's a different place

[0:09:34] Voice 6: I have a tiny little hole in my phone, but I'm just going to hide it.

[0:09:41] Voice 18: You're a wise person.

[0:09:43] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:09:43] Voice 18: From Chair's perspective, greater trust issues, our trust policy statement initiative, which

[0:09:52] Voice 18: many of you will have participated in, is slowly progressing.

[0:09:57] Voice 18: It's interesting because when it first rolled out, we were going at lightning speed.

[0:10:02] Voice 18: it was like the the intended schedule i believe was um was it two years ago it was i think it

[0:10:11] Voice 18: was july 13th we were going to do first reading and we were going to do final and put it to bed

[0:10:15] Voice 18: by september 28th um now we're two years later and the next draft is supposed to be circulated

[0:10:22] Voice 18: in january um and i believe the last timeline i saw was sort of mid 2025 would be final adoption

[0:10:30] Voice 18: option so there's a lot to come um i've been told that um you and us will be quite pleased with the

[0:10:40] Voice 18: the latest draft that they've taken in all the input and they say it's quite a bit different

[0:10:45] Voice 18: than what was initially in the first draft um but it'll it'll be just like the last program

[0:10:51] Voice 18: will be circulated lots of times to comment and uh it'll help set our path forward um equally with

[0:10:58] Voice 18: with that path forward our governance committee is um going through line by line um issues

[0:11:05] Voice 18: i believe i saw the the september trust council which will be here there will be a preliminary

[0:11:11] Voice 18: report um will be um given to trust council with the first set of recommendations so that's

[0:11:18] Voice 18: something i think that on on north tender you know it's going to be happening in your

[0:11:23] Voice 18: backyard so i hope everybody attends and again we need the feedback we need sort of

[0:11:28] Voice 18: to to to know what what the people think because it's right now it's amongst i think there's 12

[0:11:34] Voice 18: people on the government's committee so we need to get that out more eyes and broader input um

[0:11:40] Voice 18: other than that it's just we're glad to be here on a nice sunny day on north bender it's yesterday

[0:11:46] Voice 18: was saturn on tuesday with denman i got dumped on denman with lots and lots and lots and lots of

[0:11:51] Voice 18: rain i'm here to sunshine so i don't know what what the preferred venue is but i've got both

[0:11:56] Voice 18: of them so great thank you very much so now we'll go on to um we don't have electric tutorial

[0:12:03] Voice 18: director here or representative no so we wouldn't pass past that now we have town hall

[0:12:09] Voice 18: lots of

[0:12:10] Voice 18: people here um we try and ask for two minutes um we're not i don't have a stopwatch but don't go on

[0:12:19] Voice 18: and on and on please uh because we we've got a lot of stuff in this agenda so we want to be sort of

[0:12:23] Voice 18: reasonably um prompt with with getting through this uh we just ask you put your hand up um when

[0:12:31] Voice 18: you stand up if you just give your name uh for the burning secretary and we will go through this

[0:12:37] Voice 18: thank you very much so who wants to be first okay

[0:12:40] Voice 7: move in the back there you're clearly in the

[0:13:00] Voice 15: Sorry,

[0:13:01] Voice 16: I'm not, I didn't catch, I'm not able to hear the person very well.

[0:13:05] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:13:06] Voice 18: I

[0:13:06] Voice 16: didn't catch your name.

[0:13:07] Voice 18: Yeah, Julia Nichols.

[0:13:10] Voice 15: Is that the speaker?

[0:13:12] Voice 15: Yeah, that's the speaker.

[0:13:13] Voice 15: Can you hear me now?

[0:13:14] Voice 16: Better, it's better.

[0:13:17] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:13:17] Voice 6: Should I move on further?

[0:13:20] Voice 6: I would sneak in a little bit more on the little five-dollar chair down there.

[0:13:24] Voice 6: Is that better?

[0:13:25] Voice 16: Yes, thank you.

[0:13:27] Voice 15: And I can speak up if I have to.

[0:13:31] Voice 15: So Deb, sending you all the best.

[0:13:33] Voice 15: I sent to you this morning, the last minute of course, several documents.

[0:13:41] Voice 15: The May 5th of this year Memorandum Enhanced Forestry Management on Pender Island,

[0:13:47] Voice 15: the Galliano fact sheet, and the Toronto Star article about extending power to the Island Trust.

[0:13:54] Voice 15: I'd like to thank the trustees for unanimously requesting staff for forced remanagement options,

[0:14:01] Voice 15: and for Brad Smith, who's here, for providing that response when they fit.

[0:14:07] Voice 15: The first point is about enhancing DPAs.

[0:14:11] Voice 15: Given the clear cut on pirates, there were no DPAs, some need to be in place, and it's a cumbersome task to put DPAs in.

[0:14:22] Voice 15: The trust only has so many resources, so to cut through the bureaucracy, I think we need to follow what Galeano has done and put a DPA on the whole island.

[0:14:32] Voice 15: Looking at that fact sheet which I sent, it is very reasonable to cut down trees for a driveway, a home, or firewood.

[0:14:42] Voice 15: The next two points from the memorandum are about getting the province involved.

[0:14:48] Voice 15: As a local trust, you can request the province for more jurisdiction.

[0:14:53] Voice 15: Please do this.

[0:14:55] Voice 15: At the trust council level, as the memorandum states, last term the trust council directed the chief administrative officer to request that the province enhance the trust's jurisdiction over tree cutting bylaws

[0:15:10] Voice 15: to make its jurisdiction equal to that of municipalities under Section 8 of the Community Charter.

[0:15:18] Voice 15: A vote to withdraw this request was made at the March Trust Council meeting.

[0:15:24] Voice 15: Only four trustees voted against it, so it passed.

[0:15:28] Voice 15: This was so deeply disappointing.

[0:15:32] Voice 15: You are democratically voted into your positions as trustees.

[0:15:36] Voice 15: Deep down, I believe that all the trustees want to save our trees.

[0:15:42] Voice 15: But to vote against this or think it's working against your mandate to preserve and protect,

[0:15:50] Voice 15: is this an attempt to avoid contentious situations?

[0:15:54] Voice 15: No doubt there is conflict, but this comes with a job.

[0:15:58] Voice 15: Please stand up for what is right.

[0:16:03] Voice 15: the island's forest presented a delegation to the island's council on the 28th of june requesting

[0:16:09] Voice 15: them to reconsider that position as our local trustees you we need you to support this request

[0:16:18] Voice 15: and should it come up as a vote again to vote for stronger powers to protect our trees

[0:16:24] Voice 15: for you to have the responsibility to preserve and protect you also need effective tools

[0:16:30] Voice 15: We have tried to follow the route of getting the province to regulate tree cutting, and although Adam Olson has met with us and he does what he can, he's very supportive, his party is not in power and the NDP has indicated that it is up to the trust.

[0:16:50] Voice 15: the crd has also said that the trust with its mandate to preserve and protect should be doing

[0:16:58] Voice 15: what it can with the establishment and enforcement of dpas while working towards other levels of

[0:17:05] Voice 15: government doing their part the trust needs to take action now they need to use and enhance

[0:17:12] Voice 15: all the tools that they have so far i've talked about laws and i need to just talk about

[0:17:20] Voice 15: enforcement um education is great but there are a few people who are driven only by profit

[0:17:28] Voice 15: and greed and don't really care about trees the present situation results in some property owners

[0:17:34] Voice 15: finding it remunerative to ignore dpas and accept the requirement to repair the damage

[0:17:40] Voice 15: whether the damage is the destruction of a raptor's nest or the loss of an 80 year old tree

[0:17:46] Voice 15: it is not repaired by planting a sapling meaningful penalties should result from

[0:17:52] Voice 15: profiteering by ignoring dpas we look to you for your support and you can count on ours

[0:18:02] Voice 15: let's work together to preserve and protect it is the mandate

[0:18:08] Voice 7: Good morning. My name is Kathy Prompt. I'm

[0:18:25] Voice 4: a North Pender resident. I have two pages and then a couple of spaces over here.

[0:18:32] Voice 4: Recently, I have spent some time researching forests and their limit toward one-to-one.

[0:18:38] Voice 4: The research explains there is a tight connection between forests and a safe, abundant supply of water.

[0:18:44] Voice 4: Most studies are from the U.S. since our countries are so similar, I felt it relevant.

[0:18:51] Voice 4: In a peer-reviewed study, the U.S. has forested lands which make up 36 percent of its total land

[0:18:59] Voice 4: area.

[0:19:00] Voice 6: However, if those same forests produce 50 percent of the total surface water. With respect

[0:19:07] Voice 4: to people, over half of the U.S. population benefits from forests when they're drinking water.

[0:19:12] Voice 4: supply, approximately 150 million people.

[0:19:17] Voice 4: American utility

[0:19:18] Voice 4: companies are increasingly seeking ways to maintain forested lands to

[0:19:23] Voice 4: protect water quality and sustain water supply.

[0:19:27] Voice 4: Exertive growth, this is the rural development that is outside

[0:19:32] Voice 6: the density of a city and

[0:19:34] Voice 6: its suburban areas.

[0:19:36] Voice 6: exurban hasn't had the most largest sorry has had the largest development growth in the past

[0:19:43] Voice 6: four decades pender island is an example of an observant area north

[0:19:49] Voice 4: pender follows this trend

[0:19:51] Voice 4: canadian census data revealing that 50 new homes were built between 2016 and 2021.

[0:19:59] Voice 4: observing growth is the biggest threat to groundwater availability

[0:20:03] Voice 4: and quality even at low development density as trees come down to make room.

[0:20:10] Voice 4: Those listening to me today may say we don't need to worry about any of this we get lots of rain in

[0:20:15] Voice 4: the winter. This is true. However, this summer a water truck has been arriving daily on Pender

[0:20:21] Voice 4: delivering water to Pender residents carrying between two and four thousand gallons of water.

[0:20:27] Voice 4: I encourage people to be cautious with this normative thinking that our abundant rainfall

[0:20:34] Voice 6: will continue with the impacts of climate change. As I speak all over the world climate change is

[0:20:41] Voice 6: turning weather on

[0:20:42] Voice 4: its head. I give you the example of Tofino to provide you a cautionary tale.

[0:20:48] Voice 4: Recently on July 20th an article went into the Times columnist. Tofino is one of the communities

[0:20:55] Voice 4: is being impacted by the drought so much though that the residents no longer are allowed water

[0:21:00] Voice 4: outdoor spaces or gardens and if the situation doesn't improve the town is ready to declare a

[0:21:07] Voice 4: state of emergency which will suspend some businesses limited tourism and tank attraction

[0:21:13] Voice 4: bringing in water you see as of may 1st tofino only received 54 millimeters of rain and yes i

[0:21:21] Voice 4: have researched and recalculated this prescription volume to include the

[0:21:25] Voice 4: rain we received this past

[0:21:27] Voice 4: Monday. Typically, the average precipitation volume in Tofino is 249 milliliters. They have

[0:21:35] Voice 4: only received 20 percent of their expected rainfall. At a packed emergency town hall,

[0:21:42] Voice 4: Mayor Dan Law opened the meeting by recognizing the First Nations as protesters for defying

[0:21:48] Voice 4: important junctions in the 1980s and stopping old world logging on Mears Island where four creeks fill

[0:21:55] Voice 4: reservoirs and feed a seafloor pipeline that supplies torpedo industry as mayor law states

[0:22:02] Voice 4: we are subsisting on fog and dew and every night is feeding the creeks and our reservoirs

[0:22:09] Voice 4: it's a mature forest over there 40 years ago they refused to log that watershed and thank god they

[0:22:16] Voice 4: they did. Pender, like Tofino, is at a level 5 drought. What does this mean? From the BC

[0:22:22] Voice 4: government's point of view, the impacts are adverse. The impacts to socio-economic or

[0:22:27] Voice 4: ecosystem values are almost certain. The general response measures from the BC government's

[0:22:33] Voice 4: perspective is conservation and local water restrictions. Regulatory action is likely

[0:22:40] Voice 4: and possible emergency response.

[0:22:43] Voice 4: I repeat, a regulatory arrangement is like this.

[0:22:47] Voice 10: This

[0:22:48] Voice 4: is your window of opportunity.

[0:22:50] Voice 4: The island's trust

[0:22:51] Voice 4: opportunity

[0:22:52] Voice 4: to ensure Pender Island's drinking water

[0:22:54] Voice 4: and habitat remain intact.

[0:22:56] Voice 4: Intact habitat equals quality and plentiful drinking water.

[0:23:00] Voice 4: Maintaining a tree canopy and a native understory

[0:23:04] Voice 4: is paramount to achieving this.

[0:23:07] Voice 4: I have a copy of the article

[0:23:10] Voice 4: as well as the research document.

[0:23:11] Voice 4: May I give you all one?

[0:23:13] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:23:23] Voice 7: Do you have a password for the mic, anybody?

[0:23:39] Voice 7: Anybody else?

[0:23:40] Voice 7: Sure.

[0:23:41] Voice 10: Good

[0:23:41] Voice 7: morning.

[0:24:09] Voice 7: My name is Andy .

[0:24:11] Voice 7: I reside

[0:24:12] Voice 8: at 5900 Pirates Road.

[0:24:14] Voice 8: It dates me to Lot 2 on Pirates Road, which

[0:24:17] Voice 8: was heavily logged in 2020 and 21.

[0:24:21] Voice 8: Many of you would have seen pictures of the devastation.

[0:24:25] Voice 8: So what does it look like two years later?

[0:24:28] Voice 11: Well, it's an invasive plant garden.

[0:24:32] Voice 8: Thistles, tansy groundwork, broom and wood ground cells dominate the landscape.

[0:24:42] Voice 8: Under the trees, the understory, the birds, the habitat for countless creatures.

[0:24:49] Voice 8: The perpetrators have long ago sold and retreated back to Alberta.

[0:24:54] Voice 8: The new owners are nowhere to be seen, and shortly after purchasing the property listed

[0:24:59] Voice 8: it again with

[0:25:01] Voice 11: a $300,000 markup,

[0:25:04] Voice 7: devastation in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

[0:25:09] Voice 8: We have spent countless hours removing invasives from our property, and now we will have to

[0:25:16] Voice 8: face an onslaught along our eastern border, which also includes our government that we've

[0:25:23] Voice 8: registered with the Amstrad Conservancy.

[0:25:27] Voice 8: The area is much brighter now, it is much drier, it's an open invitation for invasives.

[0:25:37] Voice 7: Furthermore, as

[0:25:39] Voice 8: the Broome becomes more established over the next two or three years,

[0:25:43] Voice 8: it will become a fire danger. Broome is known as a fire accelerant and it's the perfect conduit

[0:25:51] Voice 8: for potential fire to spread across that lot

[0:25:55] Voice 8: into the slash piles,

[0:25:58] Voice 8: the picture you've seen here,

[0:26:00] Voice 8: that were left from the logging operation.

[0:26:03] Voice 8: I call it the good neighbor fence,

[0:26:05] Voice 8: four huge slash piles right on the property line.

[0:26:10] Voice 8: It seems that in this country,

[0:26:12] Voice 8: at all levels of government,

[0:26:14] Voice 8: the violators of the national order

[0:26:17] Voice 8: enjoy the protection of our elected officials and institutions, whether it's Coastal Gatling,

[0:26:26] Voice 8: Trans Mountain Pipeline, Fairy Creek, the stories are always the same.

[0:26:31] Voice 8: I still hold Elks in Hope that we can do things differently on our islands.

[0:26:39] Voice 8: We don't have big corporations to deal with.

[0:26:42] Voice 8: Nevertheless, we come across individuals who believe private property rights,

[0:26:49] Voice 8: from community values local land use regulations as well as the rights of the neighbors to clean

[0:26:56] Voice 8: air clean water and healthy soils how

[0:27:02] Voice 7: do we deal with this situation how do we find a balance so

[0:27:06] Voice 7: we can live in harmony with the land

[0:27:09] Voice 8: although private property lines may be defined property

[0:27:14] Voice 8: rights may be defined by property lines the activities on that private property does not

[0:27:20] Voice 8: know any boundaries don't i also have rights a right to know when a water cause that enters my

[0:27:29] Voice 8: property is altered a right to enjoy the shade in the forest protection from fire danger from fire

[0:27:38] Voice 7: data enhancing activities with my rights also come obligations an obligation

[0:27:48] Voice 8: to speak up

[0:27:50] Voice 8: when my and my community's rights and values are violated. I ask how do we deal with these

[0:27:59] Voice 8: situations? Well I'm not sure. Some may say we need more education. Well we've been trying to

[0:28:07] Voice 8: educate for many years and I for one am getting impatient and feel a much stronger message needs

[0:28:15] Voice 8: to be sent to the violators a message that

[0:28:19] Voice 11: will hopefully then become a deterrent for others

[0:28:24] Voice 11: so i turn

[0:28:25] Voice 8: to you as my elected representatives and neighbors what can will you do to protect

[0:28:32] Voice 8: my families my neighbors and my communities right to a healthy environment thank you

[0:28:40] Voice 18: All right, that's, we certainly are we're pushing the two so if we could be

[0:28:49] Voice 7: appreciated

[0:28:51] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:28:56] Voice 7: I clock

[0:28:58] Voice 5: in at one minute 30 seconds.

[0:29:03] Voice 5: Allie, don't forget to state your name.

[0:29:06] Voice 5: I'm Allison Peergreen.

[0:29:07] Voice 5: My name is Pender.

[0:29:12] Voice 5: What was your last name, please?

[0:29:14] Voice 5: Peergreen.

[0:29:15] Voice 3: Peergreen, thank you.

[0:29:16] Voice 5: Peer isn't scared to read this, I'm sure.

[0:29:23] Voice 5: Population pressures are increasing across our islands, and Pender is no exception.

[0:29:27] Voice 5: We're seeing an alarming eroding of forest cover due to clear cutting, which in turn

[0:29:33] Voice 5: affects groundwater.

[0:29:35] Voice 5: A healthy, intact forest ecosystem provides shade, traps moisture, slows rainwater, or

[0:29:41] Voice 5: groundwater recharge, keeps wetlands wet, and acts on behalf of fire suppression.

[0:29:49] Voice 5: The larger an intact forest, the better due to its moisture trapping capability in the

[0:29:54] Voice 5: interior of the forest.

[0:29:55] Voice 5: separating continuous forests by clear-cutting

[0:30:00] Voice 5: deeply into it, as we have seen this year, increases the amount of edge which dries out

[0:30:07] Voice 5: far more quickly. This impacts groundwater, which directly impacts our drinking water

[0:30:13] Voice 5: and makes a forest more flammable. We're in a climate emergency dealing with a droughting trend

[0:30:19] Voice 5: with ever hotter, increasingly unpredictable summers. Risk of water shortage and fire is

[0:30:26] Voice 5: increasing with the rights of property owners to do as they wish on their property don't they

[0:30:34] Voice 5: have the responsibility to the rest of us affected by their decisions um are we and the creatures

[0:30:43] Voice 5: affected not worthy of consideration especially when these individuals choose to ignore dpas that

[0:30:51] Voice 5: are in place for good reason whose responsibility is it to oversee forestry issues and who

[0:30:58] Voice 5: who has responsibility connected to groundwater.

[0:31:02] Voice 5: These are not currently being dealt with

[0:31:05] Voice 5: in any effective way that can respond as quickly

[0:31:10] Voice 5: as our climate changes.

[0:31:12] Voice 5: Why?

[0:31:13] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:31:30] Voice 6: So I'm Heather Reed, I'm a resident here on Pender Island, we have a band called Peach and Quiet, Johnny and I, so maybe you've heard of it, but we're playing at the Hall at 12, if anybody wants to come.

[0:31:43] Voice 6: So I'm here to witness the fabulous community members that took time out of their life, our

[0:31:51] Voice 15: businesses, I run a business, a corporation.

[0:31:53] Voice 15: operation. I took time away from my life to be here, particularly because of the clear-cut,

[0:32:01] Voice 15: let's call it what it is, not tree-cutting, clear

[0:32:04] Voice 6: -cutting that happened by the slow coast

[0:32:07] Voice 6: near Ali's store there, and the one next to, on Pirate's Tale, okay? So I'm here about that.

[0:32:16] Voice 6: I'm not as informed as many of the people in this room about the details, and I apologize for that.

[0:32:21] Voice 6: i want to tell you about something that i think is important to bring into the conversation

[0:32:28] Voice 6: because i noticed that it's being held here at the church it's really interesting right

[0:32:35] Voice 6: everything we know about the church not being held in the middle of the forest

[0:32:39] Voice 6: or what was it for if we were sitting there talking right now and having this conversation

[0:32:45] Voice 6: this would be a very interesting discussion i would notice all of your eyes staring at me

[0:32:50] Voice 6: right now. You would all be feeling the power of what happened in that place. We would all be

[0:32:56] Voice 6: in tears, right?

[0:32:59] Voice 4: So I

[0:33:01] Voice 6: believe you as community members, these tables also feel exactly the same

[0:33:06] Voice 6: way. You must or you wouldn't be living on thunder in the first place, right? I mean,

[0:33:11] Voice 6: you're here for a reason. So I was in the forest two years ago, right after my mom died. My heart

[0:33:17] Voice 6: was broken I was standing under a cedar tree a massive cedar tree and I got I'm a songwriter

[0:33:24] Voice 6: so I'm trying to mess in those kind of shadow lands where a lot of maybe rational minds don't

[0:33:30] Voice 6: want to go but I go into those places often and I was sitting under the street in this messy messy

[0:33:35] Voice 6: place and I heard a rush of words come to me and I wrote them down I think it was the tree I know

[0:33:44] Voice 6: that sounds completely maniacal but I think it was the street talking to me. I wrote it down

[0:33:49] Voice 6: and I fashioned it into a song which I then released on our album and blah blah blah.

[0:33:56] Voice 6: I told somebody else that I know who is a scientist and psychologist about this experience

[0:34:03] Voice 6: and she said oh my god I had a similar experience and I wrote it down into a meditation for my

[0:34:08] Voice 6: clients. A month later I had a gig and she showed up at the gig because she wanted to hear this song

[0:34:17] Voice 6: She wanted to hear what I heard from the tree and how it compared to what she

[0:34:20] Voice 6: heard from the tree. I tell you this because it's kind of mind-blowing.

[0:34:25] Voice 6: We're dealing with something here, not just,

[0:34:28] Voice 6: these aren't just objects that look pretty on our land, right?

[0:34:31] Voice 6: These definitely serve all the things that we've talked about, water, land,

[0:34:36] Voice 6: air, they all serve that. We know that.

[0:34:39] Voice 6: But there's

[0:34:39] Voice 7: something else that we haven't considered here.

[0:34:42] Voice 7: here she came up to me at my gig in the break and said to me

[0:34:51] Voice 6: i am shocked because the words that

[0:34:56] Voice 6: you said in your song are word for word what i heard under the tree as well now if this sounds

[0:35:04] Voice 6: completely idiotic and strange to everybody here i get it but i'm not willing to be that person

[0:35:11] Voice 6: that just writes this off i think that you know we have an obligation to potentially other

[0:35:18] Voice 6: consciousness here if you're willing to be forward thinking enough here and just you know just for a

[0:35:24] Voice 6: moment consider

[0:35:26] Voice 4: this is far bigger than far bigger and you are the line between

[0:35:33] Voice 6: all the hearts and

[0:35:35] Voice 6: souls and everything we believe in this community and love about you you are that holding that line

[0:35:39] Voice 6: between that and all these profiteers that want to come and line their bank accounts at our expense

[0:35:47] Voice 6: and our children's expense and our grandchildren's expense so I'm going to sing you that chorus if

[0:35:53] Voice 6: you want to hear it does anybody want to hear what you told me okay I'm going to tell you I

[0:35:58] Voice 6: know it's a bit unorthodox but I'm going to gig and I'm going to perform so I don't have to do

[0:36:02] Voice 6: it it's a good warm-up for me for the hall um so I wish

[0:36:07] Voice 7: I had my guitar because it sounds a lot

[0:36:08] Voice 7: better um this is what i heard i may as well sing it a whole song because it only takes a couple

[0:36:15] Voice 7: minutes all of

[0:36:17] Voice 6: us all intend to make the time already spent days disappear and stretch the

[0:36:25] Voice 6: hours lay like dawn on the

[0:36:28] Voice 3: wild cloud what was

[0:36:35] Voice 7: once beyond my reach reappeared live

[0:36:39] Voice 5: retreats

[0:36:40] Voice 5: pulled back the circus and stick to the ring made an old friend he was waiting

[0:36:49] Voice 4: here we go there

[0:36:52] Voice 3: is no

[0:36:53] Voice 4: that there is no there there's

[0:36:58] Voice 3: only this

[0:37:00] Voice 7: only

[0:37:02] Voice 7: there is no you there is no me there's only

[0:37:14] Voice 7: What you feel is also mine

[0:37:25] Voice 7: Night descends, falls from time

[0:37:28] Voice 4: No right or wrong and I see you

[0:37:31] Voice 4: The field beyond comes in

[0:37:35] Voice 4: Comes into view

[0:37:37] Voice 4: There

[0:37:39] Voice 3: is no that

[0:37:41] Voice 3: There is no there

[0:37:44] Voice 3: There's only this

[0:37:47] Voice 3: is only here.

[0:37:50] Voice 7: There

[0:37:51] Voice 5: is no, there is only

[0:37:59] Voice 7: a moan. Thank you. Thank you. I'm afraid I'm not

[0:38:28] Voice 4: particularly as poetic.

[0:38:31] Voice 4: Hello to everyone. My name is Elizabeth Miles and I am the president

[0:38:35] Voice 4: with the Pennsylvania Islands Conservancy Association and I want to thank you for the

[0:38:40] Voice 4: opportunity to be able to come and speak today on behalf of the association and its board of

[0:38:45] Voice 4: directors. I have two separate related issues to speak to. The first is regarding something that

[0:38:52] Voice 4: appears on page 26 of the agenda package of May 5, 2023. Under the follow-up action report,

[0:39:01] Voice 4: Action

[0:39:01] Voice 6: 16.1 states LTC

[0:39:04] Voice 4: to invite realtors,

[0:39:06] Voice 4: Kendra Islands Conservancy and fire department

[0:39:09] Voice 4: to discuss communications with new land owners.

[0:39:12] Voice 4: And I just think this is the marvelous idea

[0:39:15] Voice 4: and the Pendleton Conservancy would be most happy

[0:39:18] Voice 4: to participate in this.

[0:39:20] Voice 4: When I first moved on the island,

[0:39:22] Voice 4: I guess I had a pretty good realtor.

[0:39:24] Voice 4: I didn't realize it at the time

[0:39:26] Voice 4: because she told me about the fire risks

[0:39:29] Voice 4: and told me about the water restriction in the summer,

[0:39:33] Voice 4: told me about the DPA on our property,

[0:39:35] Voice 4: which we were very happy to have,

[0:39:38] Voice 4: because my understanding would mean that

[0:39:40] Voice 4: I didn't have to put a covenant on my property

[0:39:42] Voice 4: because DPA had protected for me.

[0:39:44] Voice 4: Now I'm starting to worry about that a little bit.

[0:39:46] Voice 4: But anyways,

[0:39:47] Voice 6: I think presenting information and education

[0:39:51] Voice 6: to new members of the community would likely provide them

[0:39:54] Voice 6: with an awareness and understanding of the various DPAs

[0:39:57] Voice 6: that may be on their property, why they are there,

[0:40:00] Voice 4: and the consequences of their violation.

[0:40:03] Voice 4: It would also educate

[0:40:07] Voice 6: them about the importance

[0:40:08] Voice 6: of the island's natural features, about fire risks

[0:40:12] Voice 6: and what are increasing with global warming

[0:40:16] Voice 6: and how healthy fire-resistant forests can mediate the risk of fire,

[0:40:21] Voice 6: on the

[0:40:21] Voice 4: maintenance of intact forests on regulating groundwater

[0:40:26] Voice 4: water and our drinking water and the maintenance of the rural environment that so many of us value

[0:40:32] Voice 4: however we're kind of confused about the fact that to the knowledge of uh the

[0:40:37] Voice 6: staff and the

[0:40:38] Voice 6: board of directors of the pen ron conservancy no trust staff has contacted us in any capacity

[0:40:44] Voice 6: about this

[0:40:45] Voice 4: item and yet the status of this item is indicated that's completed so we're just um

[0:40:52] Voice 4: I'm asking if you can please clarify what this is regarding and whether we should expect to be

[0:40:58] Voice 6: contacted by trust staff in the future regarding

[0:41:01] Voice 4: new

[0:41:03] Voice 5: landowner communication.

[0:41:06] Voice 4: Second item is the 4815 Schooner Way DPA permit application for remediation of the Raptor and Caring Nest DPA, which is coming to be as a result of the violation of this DPA.

[0:41:21] Voice 4: Now, this is an unusual situation for the Pender Island Conservancy to be at one of

[0:41:26] Voice 4: these meetings, but the Pender Island Conservancy, as many of you remember, was founded as part

[0:41:31] Voice 4: of a campaign to protect Medicine Beach and the unique and sensitive ecosystems found

[0:41:36] Voice 4: there.

[0:41:36] Voice 4: Three years ago, hundreds of our supporters and donators of the Pender Island community

[0:41:42] Voice 4: worked hard to create the Medicine Beach Sanctuary and to protect its increasingly rare saltwater

[0:41:48] Voice 4: marsh.

[0:41:49] Voice 4: As the managers of the Medicine Beach Sanctuary, anything that happens upstream from the sanctuary

[0:41:55] Voice 4: and its marsh are of concern to us due to the potential effects of the health of the

[0:42:02] Voice 4: marsh and the creatures that live there.

[0:42:04] Voice 4: The marsh is fed in part by a seasonal stream that begins, or at least used to begin, at

[0:42:10] Voice 4: the spring located in the property of 4850 Swindler Way.

[0:42:15] Voice 4: So it's part of our responsibility to the community and to the ecosystems we help

[0:42:19] Voice 4: permanently protect to try to ensure that recent ecological damage within the watershed of Medicine

[0:42:26] Voice 4: Beach Sanctuary is remediated. The

[0:42:29] Voice 6: significant violation of the raptor and heron nest DPA at

[0:42:33] Voice 6: 4815 Schooner Way will require significant remediation and I

[0:42:38] Voice 4: use the term remediation

[0:42:40] Voice 4: as opposed to restoration, because the

[0:42:43] Voice 6: restoration of a relatively intact and healthy habitat

[0:42:48] Voice 6: with trees that are over 100 years old, it does not happen overnight.

[0:42:53] Voice 6: It takes many generations for that to occur.

[0:42:55] Voice 6: So, as our written

[0:42:58] Voice 4: correspondence to you has described, effective and meaningful remediation

[0:43:05] Voice 4: must include planting, protecting, and ongoing maintenance of native trees, planting, protecting,

[0:43:12] Voice 4: and ongoing care of appropriate native understory shrubs, and in addition, significant service

[0:43:20] Voice 4: remediation will also be required to address significant disruption of soil permeability

[0:43:26] Voice 4: within the osprey nest tree root zone. I have to say that we were pleased to see the remediation

[0:43:33] Voice 4: report is very comprehensive and includes all of these measures. However, I think it's important

[0:43:39] Voice 4: that we point out that there have been repeated ongoing violations of the DPA since the logging

[0:43:45] Voice 4: that took place in January after trust and force staff visited the property and also between visits

[0:43:50] Voice 4: by the biologist as he has known that documented in his report. These ongoing violations of the DPA

[0:43:57] Voice 4: They clearly indicate an overlapped compliance or perhaps understanding on the part of the owners.

[0:44:04] Voice 4: Therefore, we strongly recommend to the trustees that they include as a condition of the development permit for remediation work in the DPA,

[0:44:12] Voice 4: the payment by the owners of a security deposit for the full amount of the estimated cost of carrying out the remediation plan.

[0:44:21] Voice 4: This deposit would be returned once the plan has been fully carried out.

[0:44:26] Voice 4: Our only intention here is to try to ensure that the remediation of the damaged ecosystem,

[0:44:31] Voice 4: at least within the DPA, is actually completed. A requirement to the deposit is not without

[0:44:38] Voice 4: precedence in the Gulf Islands. It is not new. We are aware of recent examples on North Kendra

[0:44:44] Voice 4: Island where a security deposit was required as a condition of approval of a development permit

[0:44:49] Voice 4: permit application for remediation following a DPA violation.

[0:44:55] Voice 4: In short, DPA violations must be taken seriously,

[0:44:58] Voice 4: as enforcing them is one of the few meaningful tools we have on our islands

[0:45:02] Voice 4: to help in the protection of habitat,

[0:45:05] Voice 6: preserve our watersheds,

[0:45:06] Voice 6: to reduce the fire risk through the maintenance of fire-resistant,

[0:45:13] Voice 6: sorry, healthy forests, and to slow the takeover of invasive species,

[0:45:17] Voice 6: and to preserve the natural environment that so many of us who live here cherish.

[0:45:22] Voice 6: So my second

[0:45:23] Voice 4: question is, will you require remediation laid out in the biologist report?

[0:45:29] Voice 4: And will you require a full deposit to ensure that the remediation work actually takes place in full according to plan and in a timely fashion?

[0:45:39] Voice 4: Thank you all very much.

[0:45:44] Voice 7: Anybody else?

[0:45:51] Voice 7: my name is

[0:45:53] Voice 4: joyce there and i want to speak to two things the first is um the galliano i'm sorry the

[0:46:01] Voice 6: galliano dpa i've heard some suggestions from staff that

[0:46:08] Voice 4: it's not enforceable i respectfully

[0:46:10] Voice 4: disagree i was the first person

[0:46:14] Voice 6: who had to defend the island trust in court i understand what's

[0:46:19] Voice 6: required and i think that dpa is enforceable and i do think this trust should consider accepting them

[0:46:29] Voice 6: and and putting that kind of dpa in so that's my first thought the second thing is

[0:46:36] Voice 6: i understand that the legal opinion that we requested on

[0:46:40] Voice 4: the property on bay road is

[0:46:43] Voice 4: in the works and i want to make sure that the opinion

[0:46:47] Voice 6: covers the questions that we want asked

[0:46:51] Voice 6: i understand from what i understand it was framed in the way of the up the bylaw that's already

[0:46:59] Voice 6: been passed and we're comfortable that it addresses the issues we raised what we want to

[0:47:05] Voice 6: know is should that permit ever have been issued in light of the terms of bylaw 103 and the second

[0:47:15] Voice 6: thing we want to know is should that permit have been issued with respect to the fact that there

[0:47:21] Voice 4: was no ongoing horticulture taking place at the time the permit was granted so

[0:47:28] Voice 3: those are the two

[0:47:29] Voice 3: two critical issues that we want to address in that legal opinion.

[0:47:34] Voice 3: So just to clarify, and again, I thank everybody here

[0:47:40] Voice 6: for their thoughts.

[0:47:41] Voice 6: Our forests are so important, and we need to take whatever steps we can

[0:47:47] Voice 4: to support them.

[0:47:50] Voice 3: And I

[0:47:50] Voice 7: think the DPA, a comprehensive DPA, is the way to go.

[0:47:56] Voice 7: Thanks, Joyce. Anybody else?

[0:48:07] Voice 7: I'd like to, my name is Michael Sketch,

[0:48:21] Voice 11: I live on North Pender Island,

[0:48:23] Voice 11: and I'd like to address the, I think,

[0:48:26] Voice 11: very important issue of a public hearing

[0:48:30] Voice 11: and for all of us to recognize

[0:48:33] Voice 11: that it is the paramount in a statutory sense

[0:48:37] Voice 11: expression of public interest

[0:48:39] Voice 11: regarding a bylaw to be adopted, it's almost always required under the Local Government Act.

[0:48:49] Voice 11: And therefore the minutes of that public hearing should be clear and readable, and the public opinion expressed should be unambiguous.

[0:48:59] Voice 11: And I draw your attention to the meeting of, and the minutes we'll be adopting shortly,

[0:49:07] Voice 11: of May 13th, 2023, and in that agenda package, page 8,

[0:49:13] Voice 11: and very few people spoke to the land use bylaw.

[0:49:17] Voice 11: Regrettably, they gave their opinions at length

[0:49:21] Voice 11: in public information meetings previously,

[0:49:24] Voice 11: but very few people showed up to the public hearings.

[0:49:27] Voice 11: And my first request is that the trust make it very clear

[0:49:30] Voice 11: to the public just how important the speaking

[0:49:33] Voice 11: or written submission or whatever, preferably speaking,

[0:49:36] Voice 11: it says speaking sense in the minutes is for public hearing and then secondly the minutes are

[0:49:43] Voice 11: clear as i said unambiguous and i very few people spoke i was the second person to speak

[0:49:50] Voice 11: and i raised three concerns which i had raised before but i didn't care specifically and

[0:49:55] Voice 11: succinctly in the public hearing they are run together in a paragraph and i don't think anybody

[0:50:03] Voice 11: who didn't know the detail of that Bible could understand what on earth I was on about.

[0:50:08] Voice 11: There are three separate issues and it's in six or eight lines.

[0:50:13] Voice 11: And those those three issues need separated with a half sentence

[0:50:18] Voice 11: explainer of what it applies to in the Bible, which I make clear in my own opinion

[0:50:23] Voice 11: at a public hearing. And it's not in the minutes. And it's very unlikely

[0:50:29] Voice 11: believe that should there be contention over this model in the future the public hearing record will

[0:50:34] Voice 11: be referred to this is all the good and i i'm happy to rewrite it and submit it or give some

[0:50:43] Voice 11: assistance um i think somebody who's familiar with the violence should be perfectly clear what those

[0:50:48] Voice 11: issues are as they have a half sentence of this refers to and then what i said um with some

[0:50:57] Voice 11: obvious corrections needed uh

[0:50:59] Voice 7: i would be grateful thank you thank you sketch anybody else okay thank

[0:51:12] Voice 7: you very much um we

[0:51:15] Voice 18: will move on now to appropriately a community information meeting

[0:51:20] Voice 18: this is regards to what was discussed about communication with new landowners i don't know

[0:51:29] Voice 18: trustee morrison do you want to sort of lay the land uh

[0:51:33] Voice 6: sorry i got distracted for a second

[0:51:36] Voice 6: trustee campbell can you see that again so

[0:51:39] Voice 18: we're we're the community information meeting

[0:51:42] Voice 18: um with um i give communication with new land yes

[0:51:47] Voice 6: yes thank you um all right so and maybe just a

[0:51:53] Voice 6: uh we sometimes respond to things in the town hall um we haven't responded to any of these

[0:52:01] Voice 6: things so far here um can we see if there's any responses you want to make

[0:52:12] Voice 7: no i have some questions and notes but i don't think that it can be

[0:52:17] Voice 7: need opinion okay

[0:52:20] Voice 6: um from my perspective there's a few things that need some kind of an action

[0:52:27] Voice 6: statement um one of them will come up next in the community service meeting the others i think we'll

[0:52:33] Voice 6: be dealing with as we go through the agenda today so i think that there are like correct points to

[0:52:40] Voice 6: kind of address those action points but um we've made notes on those things um so i i think most

[0:52:48] Voice 6: Most of those things we'll deal with all the way through.

[0:52:50] Voice 6: Just a big thank you to everyone who's sharing.

[0:52:53] Voice 6: And also, can I just say, like, I want us to pause for a minute and think about four

[0:52:58] Voice 6: years ago, okay, or five years ago when we came in together with community meetings and

[0:53:03] Voice 6: how raucous and disrespectful they were.

[0:53:05] Voice 6: And I want you to acknowledge that, like, everybody listened and heard each other today.

[0:53:10] Voice 6: Nobody was cheering and booing.

[0:53:11] Voice 6: Thank you for your consideration.

[0:53:13] Voice 6: It makes it a safe place for community members to come forward and speak and respect the

[0:53:17] Voice 6: way.

[0:53:18] Voice 6: it doesn't matter if we disagree that's normal we're human what's important is that we can speak

[0:53:22] Voice 6: our minds so thank you for coming forward and for being able to listen and hear each other

[0:53:27] Voice 6: um so that's all i have about that next one was what i have like a brain funds related to my

[0:53:34] Voice 6: illness so i'm tracking we're

[0:53:36] Voice 18: going to say anything about the nice chair letting people speak

[0:53:39] Voice 6: that's the nice chair letting

[0:53:40] Voice 13: people speak uh

[0:53:41] Voice 18: okay um so we're at the community information

[0:53:44] Voice 18: meeting with communications with new landowners and this was the topic you sort of brought forward

[0:53:49] Voice 18: so

[0:53:50] Voice 6: i just wanted to check in with staff about this because we had done um and maybe robert

[0:53:55] Voice 6: you can refresh my memory on this but we had done a thing where we had um sent out mailings to new

[0:54:02] Voice 6: landowners at the beginning of the year and i don't know if that's a standing thing or if we

[0:54:05] Voice 6: have to ask for that each year so

[0:54:07] Voice 8: yeah the ltc last term first uh project of the term probably

[0:54:12] Voice 8: probably six months, did a mail out to all landowners

[0:54:18] Voice 8: with development permit areas on their property,

[0:54:21] Voice 8: customized to the particular ecosystem.

[0:54:25] Voice 8: So there's a budget associated with that,

[0:54:28] Voice 8: staff time, creating the letters

[0:54:31] Voice 8: and the information sheets,

[0:54:35] Voice 8: and getting the mailing lists

[0:54:38] Voice 8: and the mapping associated with that.

[0:54:40] Voice 8: So it took about six months,

[0:54:41] Voice 8: but it was one of your kind of projects at the beginning of last term right

[0:54:46] Voice 6: and then is there

[0:54:47] Voice 6: also uh um a way for sending out for new landowners like doing a calendar year search for any new

[0:54:56] Voice 6: landowners that year to say like a generic mortgage package like is there any practice

[0:55:03] Voice 6: just like that for the and what

[0:55:05] Voice 8: what goes to realtors i think is there

[0:55:09] Voice 8: one of the things that i've heard a lot about is sort of a lack of education of what

[0:55:18] Voice 8: for new people specifically coming to the island the existence of the trust and sort of what it's

[0:55:26] Voice 8: what it's even about and this is something we've talked about that often the first sort of

[0:55:32] Voice 8: of involvement that people have is when when somebody like warren has to has to uh act on

[0:55:38] Voice 8: something that's happened and that sort of is people's first experience with sort of a knowledge

[0:55:45] Voice 8: of the trust and and they haven't um something somebody was telling me that there's a sign at

[0:55:52] Voice 8: schwartz bay i think that that says

[0:55:55] Voice 8: something along the lines of entering but it's like really

[0:55:58] Voice 8: worn out and kind of faded and sort of not a thing and i think that people in general don't

[0:56:05] Voice 8: realize when they even when they come to visit pender that the trust exists right

[0:56:11] Voice 8: yeah even tourists would benefit from knowing that you're entering a different part of bc

[0:56:24] Voice 6: so a couple of things on this that i'm wondering what we can do here like specifics so one of the

[0:56:30] Voice 6: things that i would like to see here and and i think actually the way to go about this might be

[0:56:35] Voice 6: to like and i really don't know what the bureaucratic answer to this is but i would like

[0:56:42] Voice 6: to see a small working group of whoever's interested just weigh in on it like the

[0:56:46] Voice 6: conservancy really like i felt the same about this too you're

[0:56:49] Voice 6: very interested to do that

[0:56:50] Voice 6: um and so just to pull but like what we need is we need somebody to do that like to pull together

[0:56:57] Voice 6: that meaning and to just have like a sit down and talk about it together figure out what we want to

[0:57:02] Voice 6: say what what look at all the great materials that have been produced by the trust pull them

[0:57:06] Voice 6: onto the table and say like this would work for us this wasn't and i bet you anything we could also

[0:57:10] Voice 6: like figure out who in the community could build this nice welcome to the honest trust sign you

[0:57:14] Voice 6: know like that kind of stuff there's a few things like that that we could collectively do to help

[0:57:18] Voice 6: so

[0:57:19] Voice 8: years ago there used to be like a welcome wagon yeah for you right on the island right

[0:57:23] Voice 8: And we regularly would buy fact sheets, material, Sarah Steele was running it for a while.

[0:57:31] Voice 8: So that's a community, I don't know where they got the information from, probably from

[0:57:36] Voice 8: the realtors.

[0:57:38] Voice 8: And so that was a community based or a group that would pull information from all different

[0:57:44] Voice 8: sources and provide that to new owners or at least new buyers.

[0:57:49] Voice 8: fires right um so that's kind of what's happened in the past and we're we're able to provide

[0:57:55] Voice 8: material for that and especially the conservancy as well is able to provide lots of so can we lots

[0:58:00] Voice 6: of

[0:58:00] Voice 8: existing uh material to can we

[0:58:04] Voice 6: instigate just that conversation because the problem that we've

[0:58:07] Voice 6: had i think is that we've lost sarah steel and we've lost you know some of that like initial

[0:58:11] Voice 6: sort of blue and community there's desire here there's just no center yet

[0:58:16] Voice 8: local trustees that

[0:58:18] Voice 8: That would be a great opportunity for you to try and initiate that conversation and see if there is a group or a number of people in the community who have taken that on.

[0:58:28] Voice 6: Does anybody, I would personally like it if somebody in the staff was involved in that because you know what the staff materials are that are available.

[0:58:36] Voice 8: Yeah, we can assist with that.

[0:58:38] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:58:38] Voice 6: And we

[0:58:39] Voice 8: can provide the materials like we've covered the printing costs and stuff like we've done in the past.

[0:58:43] Voice 8: We've got lots of materials already.

[0:58:45] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:58:45] Voice 6: so if we figure out a date and i also have a question about like the technicality like

[0:58:51] Voice 6: there and i decided like hey what's that meeting and like just have it as an open meeting put it

[0:58:56] Voice 6: in the pender post do it in like november or something or october so we can get it into the

[0:58:59] Voice 6: post right and get it off the form get people like out of the summer season when everything's

[0:59:03] Voice 6: getting harvested um and have a cohesive meeting like that because aaron and i might both be there

[0:59:09] Voice 6: and it might be an island's trust initiated kind of conversation do we then need a recorder

[0:59:13] Voice 6: I was going

[0:59:14] Voice 8: to say, if it's not an Islands Trust-initiated meeting, if

[0:59:21] Voice 7: we decide

[0:59:22] Voice 8: to do it separately from the Islands Trust and have the discussion as a community, we don't spearhead what it is.

[0:59:32] Voice 6: If we can

[0:59:32] Voice 8: be there for the meeting, we don't spearhead it, but we assist somebody else to get information and stuff.

[0:59:39] Voice 8: And

[0:59:40] Voice 6: I'm with you on that. The problem being that I want us to pay for the space because somebody has to pay for the rental space and I want us to pay for the space.

[0:59:48] Voice 6: Just

[0:59:48] Voice 8: keep in mind the principle. The principle is you're not advancing an

[0:59:52] Voice 6: application. You're not

[0:59:54] Voice 8: doing an LTC project. You're not making decisions about a project either formally or...

[1:00:00] Voice 8: formally or advancing discussion about a project they're just

[1:00:02] Voice 8: bringing a group of people together

[1:00:04] Voice 8: okay and i mean maybe to to um heather's point we hosted somewhere just posted out somewhere else

[1:00:12] Voice 8: yeah it should be out of

[1:00:14] Voice 8: heaven before winter and you can use the field at my place right or

[1:00:19] Voice 8: whatever right

[1:00:21] Voice 13: yeah it could be you could hide in the hangar so yeah you

[1:00:27] Voice 8: decide you do have a

[1:00:28] Voice 8: saturday meeting scheduled on october 28th that you put also okay

[1:00:34] Voice 7: i don't have a topic yet for

[1:00:38] Voice 7: that meeting yes and i think i might have ended up with a problem with that

[1:00:42] Voice 7: um

[1:00:47] Voice 6: okay so it is a community information meeting so community can talk right yeah okay

[1:00:55] Voice 6: anybody else

[1:00:56] Voice 6: have any short 30 second one minute kind of additions to whatever has been said around

[1:01:01] Voice 6: things because i would love to like put a motion on the table that we will organize or maybe it's

[1:01:08] Voice 6: something like cool like we'll organize it i think we organize it because then it doesn't matter if

[1:01:14] Voice 6: we're not advancing business we're not impinging on that i'm happy to just bite that one if they

[1:01:18] Voice 6: if somebody aren't exactly we're not advancing business at the trust applications and stuff like

[1:01:22] Voice 6: that so but i do want us to take some central coordination move because i don't want to always

[1:01:27] Voice 6: put on a committee to do it and community likely run with it after we get it moving but we need to

[1:01:33] Voice 6: just instigate the conversation so i see what you can do let's

[1:01:37] Voice 8: go back another step to dpa

[1:01:40] Voice 8: things i think robert said i want to dpa property owners were contacted is that right

[1:01:46] Voice 8: uh all of them with the persistent dpas landowner landowners correct because

[1:01:52] Voice 7: we were in contact

[1:01:53] Voice 7: it

[1:01:53] Voice 4: was

[1:01:56] Voice 7: a mailing did you get a mailing no we haven't got anything

[1:01:58] Voice 6: no

[1:01:58] Voice 7: i

[1:02:01] Voice 6: got one because i have a dp on my property so i saw it

[1:02:04] Voice 6: okay

[1:02:05] Voice 7: no

[1:02:07] Voice 6: that's good no okay okay

[1:02:09] Voice 5: so um sorry

[1:02:17] Voice 5: action on this

[1:02:18] Voice 6: project and i do think um we were aware of what the realtors were actually

[1:02:24] Voice 6: doing with their gift basket and recognized that it was important to get to new owners

[1:02:30] Voice 4: one-to-one.

[1:02:32] Voice 4: Obviously, the mailings aren't really reaching people. So anyway, I'll just speak up. We're

[1:02:38] Voice 4: talking about people within the community. I think that we'll be able to choose about more

[1:02:43] Voice 4: companies, especially if

[1:02:45] Voice 4: we're talking about October.

[1:02:46] Voice 5: Yeah. Yeah, there's

[1:02:49] Voice 4: no way we're going

[1:02:50] Voice 4: on that

[1:02:50] Voice 5: part over and yeah and i'm

[1:02:52] Voice 5: sure they will

[1:02:52] Voice 4: okay thanks june your concerns

[1:02:54] Voice 4: i think sending something out once a year don't help because some people buy

[1:03:02] Voice 4: already in january and yeah they're cut in in um you know july or june or something

[1:03:09] Voice 4: so you need to find a better point of entry yeah and also

[1:03:15] Voice 4: how to deal with off-island

[1:03:16] Voice 4: realtors and what

[1:03:18] Voice 6: they may be challenging yeah

[1:03:19] Voice 6: that's a totally another issue which we have

[1:03:22] Voice 6: multiple instances where that has hit we at least if we can start with our own sort of like cluster

[1:03:28] Voice 6: of what we want the information to be

[1:03:30] Voice 13: then we can

[1:03:30] Voice 6: help start to work with other realtors yeah

[1:03:34] Voice 6: um kathy yeah i just want

[1:03:36] Voice 4: to let you know that forestry group has already started a project on

[1:03:41] Voice 4: realtors where we would actually and along with the conservancy where we would actually send

[1:03:47] Voice 4: somebody out to the property to tell people this is what you should be watching for here's an

[1:03:53] Voice 4: invasive here's a idea of a plan you have a dpa on your property you know just sort of like a

[1:04:00] Voice 4: welcome wagon welcome to pender and ali's going to cook cake

[1:04:13] Voice 6: yeah okay so i guess one of the questions i have and this is i think for robert is like

[1:04:20] Voice 6: i can make a motion to like direct staff to find a day like a meeting time or location or we can

[1:04:28] Voice 6: do it ourselves as trustees what do you need us to say to you to make sure that you're involved

[1:04:34] Voice 6: in the work because like i don't know that aaron or i will i can speak for myself i'm not sure that

[1:04:40] Voice 6: i personally have a bandwidth to organize emails for everyone and their dog to come into the meeting

[1:04:46] Voice 6: and coordinate that i don't have that bandwidth so does staff have that bandwidth is that something

[1:04:51] Voice 6: that you do like who's going to do that to just get the initial meeting happening it's not a small

[1:04:56] Voice 6: something to get an issue no i

[1:04:58] Voice 8: mean we could book a space uh but i mean we need you to tell us when

[1:05:01] Voice 8: you're available yeah for sure

[1:05:03] Voice 8: yeah and then we could find a space to meet why

[1:05:06] Voice 6: don't we try and

[1:05:07] Voice 8: use that october oh yeah we'll

[1:05:10] Voice 6: talk about that in a second okay date we can work on in a second but

[1:05:13] Voice 6: um do you want to do it outside or do you want to do it like in the hall or

[1:05:18] Voice 8: i just was thinking

[1:05:20] Voice 8: if it makes it a little bit more a little easier and more organic to pull off sooner

[1:05:25] Voice 8: sooner rather than later and we can't do it wherever we can find space to do it yeah I think

[1:05:31] Voice 6: it's worthwhile to check the hall and if the hall is not available then we can look for other

[1:05:35] Voice 6: options just because the acoustics outside are not something to joke with it's really hard to hear

[1:05:42] Voice 6: when you're

[1:05:43] Voice 6: having a discussion space outside I've got a lot of environmental education

[1:05:47] Voice 6: and it's you can do it but we need a mic

[1:05:49] Voice 6: system you probably set up

[1:05:50] Voice 6: i

[1:05:51] Voice 8: was thinking that pre-election we met behind the hall no we met behind the hall

[1:05:59] Voice 8: there's 14 or 15 people that were there that was good there was no yeah

[1:06:04] Voice 7: issues

[1:06:05] Voice 8: with acoustics

[1:06:07] Voice 8: so let's

[1:06:10] Voice 6: let's can we work with you do you need a motion perhaps okay um sorry i think julie had

[1:06:16] Voice 6: something else to add well

[1:06:18] Voice 4: just that i know that the involvement

[1:06:21] Voice 6: of the trust is absolutely

[1:06:22] Voice 6: essential in this because we would have no way of knowing who the new property owners are and

[1:06:29] Voice 6: specifically the new property owners the gpa so we would need an ongoing liaison

[1:06:33] Voice 4: as kathy said we've

[1:06:35] Voice 5: already done some groundwork but without the connection um it won't fly it won't fly for long

[1:06:41] Voice 5: okay that's really

[1:06:42] Voice 8: important okay

[1:06:43] Voice 14: all right so there are

[1:06:46] Voice 8: limits on what we can share

[1:06:47] Voice 8: in terms of information like if we give addresses right yeah

[1:06:52] Voice 6: and i think that's part of the

[1:06:54] Voice 6: conversation between the realtors so if we get out and i think we also should make sure that we

[1:06:58] Voice 6: have a call like the crd is probably worthwhile to have in there too in case they want information

[1:07:02] Voice 6: as well shared lord knows we need some conversation around building code um related issues so sorry

[1:07:09] Voice 6: Sorry, did that come out?

[1:07:11] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:07:13] Voice 6: All right.

[1:07:14] Voice 6: Anything else then?

[1:07:15] Voice 6: So my understanding of what will happen is that it's on the fuel list to follow up as

[1:07:21] Voice 6: something in October, to coordinate a meeting in October.

[1:07:24] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:07:27] Voice 6: To, and we'll work together, the three of us can work together.

[1:07:30] Voice 6: It's

[1:07:30] Voice 8: looking for the trustees to come up with at least a couple, maybe one date.

[1:07:33] Voice 6: And

[1:07:33] Voice 8: I and Brad are available.

[1:07:36] Voice 8: We will pull the information together before that.

[1:07:38] Voice 8: So we'll need the time just in a couple weeks, maybe, before the date.

[1:07:43] Voice 8: Sounds good.

[1:07:44] Voice 7: Inventory, what's available in terms of existing.

[1:07:48] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:07:48] Voice 7: That sounds great.

[1:07:49] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:07:51] Voice 7: That's it.

[1:07:51] Voice 1: All right.

[1:07:52] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:07:52] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:07:54] Voice 7: All right.

[1:07:55] Voice 7: So we

[1:07:56] Voice 18: have some minutes for adoption.

[1:07:58] Voice 18: The first is local custom made special meeting

[1:08:01] Voice 7: minutes of May 13th.

[1:08:04] Voice 7: I would be satisfied if you consent to

[1:08:09] Voice 18: adopt those.

[1:08:11] Voice 18: okay um 9.2 is all trust committee public hearing record of may 13 23 mr sketch um

[1:08:21] Voice 6: can we have those

[1:08:22] Voice 6: taken back and just looked over again to make sure that they're accurate

[1:08:25] Voice 18: is that something yeah so if

[1:08:28] Voice 8: uh we would bring them back and look at them and then bring them back to a subsequent meeting

[1:08:33] Voice 8: I know there's two meetings where we had, one was really bad Wi-Fi, and it may have been during that, I think it was Pat Todd that was doing the minutes, and then the following one we had a difficulty with the minutes.

[1:08:53] Voice 6: Okay, so I definitely know the May 13th one, that public hearing one,

[1:08:57] Voice 7: and

[1:08:58] Voice 6: I don't know what the other ones were. I didn't see any problems in the other ones.

[1:09:04] Voice 18: staff can start with it yes and if we need to do reconstruction we will yeah

[1:09:11] Voice 8: so just to clarify the may 13th special meeting minutes you want

[1:09:15] Voice 8: public hearing public hearing 9.2

[1:09:21] Voice 8: public hearing records you want re-reviewed staff will review it and bring it back to

[1:09:26] Voice 8: the next regular meeting yeah and

[1:09:30] Voice 4: the others i didn't see any problems yeah okay

[1:09:33] Voice 18: all right

[1:09:34] Voice 18: So next one, 9.3, local trust committee minutes.

[1:09:38] Voice 18: It had made it 26 for adoption by consent.

[1:09:40] Voice 18: Okay, those are done.

[1:09:43] Voice 18: This is arising from the minutes we have follow-up action list.

[1:09:47] Voice 7: One more point here.

[1:09:52] Voice 7: Okay, I'm an idiot.

[1:09:53] Voice 7: Local trust committee special meeting, June

[1:09:55] Voice 18: 24th.

[1:09:57] Voice 18: I can sense it.

[1:09:58] Voice 18: Adopted, done.

[1:09:59] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:10:00] Voice 18: So now we move on to follow-up action list.

[1:10:05] Voice 18: Any highlights, any questions?

[1:10:12] Voice 7: I don't have anything in particular to point out I

[1:10:15] Voice 8: would say that you had an action for me to follow

[1:10:18] Voice 8: up with Ireland Health that letter that we sent and Ireland Health has gone back to us and they

[1:10:23] Voice 8: have agreed to attend your Friday September 29th meeting if you want us to add that to the agenda

[1:10:29] Voice 8: yes please you could put that in your pander post perhaps and they're open to talk about anything

[1:10:35] Voice 8: thing that island health related with your community i tried to get them here on a saturday

[1:10:40] Voice 8: but they were unable to travel on the saturdays

[1:10:42] Voice 7: so they don't

[1:10:42] Voice 8: have to be there but if you are

[1:10:44] Voice 8: good with that i will put that on the september 29th agenda okay

[1:10:49] Voice 6: so i'll just make a note about

[1:10:51] Voice 6: that for the post so the uh uh so

[1:10:55] Voice 7: island health sorry that was island

[1:10:57] Voice 6: health now okay so that's

[1:10:58] Voice 6: the note is if you anybody here knows anybody who's mad about the bread they should come to

[1:11:03] Voice 6: the september 29th meeting okay okay i got

[1:11:10] Voice 7: like five calls that day so

[1:11:26] Voice 4: okay so

[1:11:27] Voice 6: so the the issue that that brad just raised was so we had there had been a slew was

[1:11:32] Voice 6: Was that in May or it was

[1:11:34] Voice 8: before I might came along when I think the initial issue was in the fall.

[1:11:39] Voice 8: OK,

[1:11:39] Voice 6: yeah, there's been several issues where Island Health has enforced on different types of things.

[1:11:45] Voice 6: But the one that was most recent was there was was selling a suit.

[1:11:50] Voice 6: I would

[1:11:50] Voice 6: imagine somewhere and somebody went to it. So they didn't want that happening for a variety of reasons.

[1:11:57] Voice 6: anyway we literally had like five people who ended up with a slew of phone calls that morning

[1:12:02] Voice 6: because nobody could get their breaders well

[1:12:04] Voice 8: there is yeah it affected it affected like

[1:12:06] Voice 8: cheesecake fridge oh yeah

[1:12:09] Voice 8: over on yard arms the fridge wanders

[1:12:14] Voice 8: yeah

[1:12:14] Voice 7: so it

[1:12:16] Voice 8: was what they considered to be high risk uh foods even though

[1:12:22] Voice 8: know yeah you know how

[1:12:24] Voice 8: bread becomes a high-risk food but unless you see that

[1:12:28] Voice 8: yeah so

[1:12:31] Voice 6: anyway thank you so we we wanted the there's a new island health officer um to the

[1:12:37] Voice 6: region and so we just wanted them to come in and actually have a conversation about why they're

[1:12:41] Voice 6: doing what they're doing and how we can like work with them to do better because you know people

[1:12:46] Voice 6: thought that it was us changing the land use things around home-based business and it wasn't

[1:12:50] Voice 6: do with silent house unfortunately and

[1:12:53] Voice 8: having dealt with the previous person when i was running

[1:12:56] Voice 8: browning the fellow had been doing it for decades and sort of had realized where he was doing it and

[1:13:04] Voice 8: it was somebody new that came with the letter of the law and just sort of the line through it so

[1:13:11] Voice 8: So it's sort of about educating people to do their job, too.

[1:13:16] Voice 8: So, OK,

[1:13:18] Voice 7: OK.

[1:13:20] Voice 8: All right. All right. Thank you.

[1:13:22] Voice 8: And so

[1:13:23] Voice 6: the other thing on the follow up action list, it was

[1:13:27] Voice 6: brought up earlier.

[1:13:28] Voice 6: I can do that.

[1:13:31] Voice 6: Was just what we talked about so that it wouldn't be

[1:13:35] Voice 6: ongoing around the conversations with realtors and fire.

[1:13:39] Voice 6: I don't remember which

[1:13:41] Voice 7: page that was on.

[1:13:41] Voice 7: Does anybody see it?

[1:13:57] Voice 7: Oh,

[1:13:59] Voice 6: there it is, yeah. Yeah, it's May 5th, number 3.

[1:14:02] Voice 6: So I don't know if we just add that now to the follow-up action list somewhere else because of what we do, but that's the piece.

[1:14:11] Voice 6: So you can just change that to in progress.

[1:14:13] Voice 8: So to be clear, I was under the agreement was that the LTC was going to make those contacts not staff.

[1:14:19] Voice 8: and so i was under the understanding that those contacts have been made and that that cim was

[1:14:23] Voice 8: correct today but i will update yeah and

[1:14:27] Voice 6: i did email paul and to a few others about it

[1:14:31] Voice 6: that is all

[1:14:34] Voice 8: good community information means to

[1:14:37] Voice 6: do community information when he came

[1:14:38] Voice 6: and but the fire department no

[1:14:41] Voice 8: and i didn't i didn't talk to him yeah

[1:14:42] Voice 8: so what's the action

[1:14:44] Voice 8: you want to hold another so

[1:14:45] Voice 6: no no it's just the conversation we're talking about about hosting a

[1:14:49] Voice 6: meeting educating people that's the item that'll

[1:14:52] Voice 7: be a new item no

[1:14:53] Voice 6: yeah that's a new item

[1:14:54] Voice 6: so yeah we're just not having pickup on that so we just need to do a little bit more

[1:15:00] Voice 6: push on it so yeah okay thank you all

[1:15:04] Voice 18: right um so next up the correspondence

[1:15:08] Voice 18: and you wanted to talk about correspondence yeah

[1:15:12] Voice 6: i just had i i thank you very much for the

[1:15:14] Voice 6: back and forth this week on the emails related to my questions about correspondence so something

[1:15:20] Voice 6: came up which um it sort of percolated up to my consciousness in the last four months or so

[1:15:27] Voice 6: so when we have an application the application goes online it's in our packet and then it also

[1:15:32] Voice 6: goes online and all the correspondence that we did to that application goes online too

[1:15:36] Voice 6: so this is my understanding i'm going to explain my understanding correctly so yeah

[1:15:41] Voice 8: so when it's

[1:15:43] Voice 8: one-off like a dvp yeah um rather than post it in the website and in the agenda package which is

[1:15:49] Voice 8: also on the website it just goes in the agenda package so people can read it all together right

[1:15:53] Voice 8: they don't have to go to the website one section of the website and then a different section of

[1:15:57] Voice 8: the agenda package where it's uh like an ongoing application like a rezoning that's worked by uh

[1:16:04] Voice 8: default post of the web page or a project or if it's an application where it's going kind of

[1:16:13] Voice 8: ongoing over several meetings then the correspondence will get put on the web page

[1:16:18] Voice 8: it's a separate section does

[1:16:20] Voice 6: it and it also gets attached to the packets for each of the meetings

[1:16:22] Voice 6: so

[1:16:23] Voice 8: for like a t think of a tup or a dvp right you've got your package and as long as it's been

[1:16:30] Voice 8: been received took time to get into the package um it's you know it's one of those attachments

[1:16:36] Voice 8: right okay uh there so everyone can

[1:16:38] Voice 8: see it all in the same place in the agenda package okay um

[1:16:42] Voice 8: because think of a bbp it's just completed in time for the agenda to be compiled everything

[1:16:49] Voice 8: goes in the agenda package it's where it's an ongoing application that all that information

[1:16:55] Voice 8: is is posted separately on the web page

[1:16:58] Voice 6: so there's two or three things that i think are

[1:17:00] Voice 6: falling between the holes and the issue that i have is that we need to make sure that correspondence

[1:17:07] Voice 6: any piece of correspondence we get that is you know meets the criteria of not being inflammatory

[1:17:13] Voice 6: or inflammatory whatever the word is um is included in some packet and it sounds like

[1:17:21] Voice 6: from what you just said it is

[1:17:22] Voice 7: and

[1:17:23] Voice 6: um and then the other challenge we have is there's a timing

[1:17:29] Voice 6: issue for people right like sometimes people don't realize the issues coming up on the agenda

[1:17:34] Voice 6: until they see the package so then they send emails or you know correspondence in late and

[1:17:39] Voice 6: then that correspondence where does it live in longevity so

[1:17:44] Voice 8: it's just you get it right

[1:17:45] Voice 8: the LTCs. That's the key, right? You've got it. And then it's, you know, the meeting happens,

[1:17:52] Voice 8: you make a decision, file's closed, assuming one way or another, you make the decision.

[1:17:57] Voice 8: And then it all gets filed.

[1:17:59] Voice 6: So when it all gets filed, what's that mean?

[1:18:01] Voice 8: It's filed on a directory and it's, we still do have papered files. So if someone's submitted

[1:18:08] Voice 8: something in Lightning, it gets put in a paper file and it gets put in the directory.

[1:18:12] Voice 8: okay so that's the public record yeah public record is what we say the public record doesn't

[1:18:22] Voice 8: always get the complete public record doesn't always get reflected publicly but you could

[1:18:27] Voice 8: show your freedom of information

[1:18:29] Voice 8: yeah i

[1:18:32] Voice 6: get that i get that so so my concern is twofold one is

[1:18:37] Voice 6: for me as a trustee i have multiple times gone back to old files to look for something because

[1:18:42] Voice 6: Because it was like, oh, what was that like?

[1:18:43] Voice 6: Because it helps me in doing the next thing that we're doing to understand what the history is.

[1:18:47] Voice 6: So I'm not going to do an FOI request.

[1:18:49] Voice 6: I'm going to dig through files or I'm going to ask you or whatever.

[1:18:51] Voice 6: But I generally keep all my files.

[1:18:55] Voice 6: So I have everything easily available and I can dig into it.

[1:18:57] Voice 6: But what I don't have is I don't have easily visible to myself when I'm searching that way.

[1:19:04] Voice 6: I don't have the emails that came or the correspondence that came in between when the

[1:19:10] Voice 6: the packet was finalized, which I understand why. Don't offend me. I totally understand why it's

[1:19:14] Voice 6: not happening. It's all in my emails.

[1:19:16] Voice 6: It's just, it's all scattered in my emails, right? So it's

[1:19:18] Voice 6: hard to locate. So the correspondence that came in from the time the package was created to the

[1:19:24] Voice 6: meeting. So what I'm wondering is, is there a way, like as of today in the meeting, not before it,

[1:19:31] Voice 6: but as of today in the meeting, to say, okay, any correspondent that came in between last week and

[1:19:37] Voice 6: this week gets just amended or addendumed on to the end of the package? So

[1:19:42] Voice 8: it can be an amended

[1:19:43] Voice 8: agenda package. There can be addendums to the agenda package. We try to avoid that because

[1:19:49] Voice 8: it's another process, right? If there's a new item, then there

[1:19:59] Voice 7: can be an addendum

[1:20:01] Voice 7: have created to the agenda package okay

[1:20:05] Voice 6: so how about your thoughts about this because for me

[1:20:07] Voice 6: it's going to help if we have all that stuff in one spot because there are issues that are

[1:20:12] Voice 6: spanning multiple years for us like the land use model thing it was like hard to track all the

[1:20:17] Voice 6: correspondence and so like it's really really helpful if we have like in our own records like

[1:20:24] Voice 6: full complete sets of those things it would mean that we would have to go in and download the

[1:20:28] Voice 6: additional package limits like then well

[1:20:30] Voice 7: yeah

[1:20:33] Voice 8: i guess that that's what i had to look at for

[1:20:37] Voice 8: that use bylaw

[1:20:38] Voice 7: was

[1:20:39] Voice 8: that everything it was all there right and it was stacks of

[1:20:45] Voice 8: every meeting had a had a list of which i don't know i could under i can see the would be really

[1:20:57] Voice 8: hard to pull i mean there's stuff that came this morning at 6 30 in the morning

[1:21:02] Voice 7: there was emails

[1:21:04] Voice 8: that were sent that's i don't know if it's reasonable to expect that between the start

[1:21:10] Voice 8: of business at nine say nine o'clock this morning and our 10 o'clock meeting we'd be able to get an

[1:21:16] Voice 8: amended no sorry no

[1:21:18] Voice 11: no no yeah great so

[1:21:19] Voice 8: that's not my expectation so i'm not sure how what we

[1:21:26] Voice 8: accomplished so

[1:21:27] Voice 6: my my thought would be like within a week of this meeting that there would be some

[1:21:33] Voice 6: kind of just like that's all gotta be you have it all somewhere because you're pulling it in this

[1:21:38] Voice 6: well

[1:21:38] Voice 8: it gets emailed to you as well right right

[1:21:40] Voice 6: right no i haven't and i've read it that's not

[1:21:45] Voice 6: the point the point is that when i go back like a year from now to go back and understand this

[1:21:49] Voice 6: i'm not going to know to search for those five so

[1:21:51] Voice 8: you get it you get it like people will send

[1:21:53] Voice 8: your emails directly right yeah but one of the reasons to make sure that the administrative

[1:21:57] Voice 8: staff get it is they pdf it yeah put a pdf and then resend it to the whole local trust committee

[1:22:03] Voice 8: sometimes people will go aaron and not include david um sorry um and so it's pdf

[1:22:12] Voice 8: resend to you as an attachment yeah right so if you create your own folder system you can just

[1:22:18] Voice 8: drag and drop that pdf into that but a year later it should all be compiled in that when you have a

[1:22:26] Voice 8: piece in that pdf right oh yeah and if you need something a year later you

[1:22:32] Voice 8: could come to staff

[1:22:33] Voice 8: and say can you provide me all the correspondence for this application and we would have that all

[1:22:37] Voice 8: in our comprehensive file folder okay

[1:22:40] Voice 14: so that maybe that's the question do you have a comprehensive

[1:22:43] Voice 14: a file folder do we have access to that that's right do

[1:22:46] Voice 14: you have a comprehensive file folder

[1:22:48] Voice 14: with a file by file or do we have access to that no

[1:22:51] Voice 8: it's an internal file system but there was a

[1:22:53] Voice 8: question something came up

[1:22:53] Voice 14: yeah

[1:22:54] Voice 7: right

[1:22:55] Voice 8: um and so there is some action or direction to look at ways

[1:23:01] Voice 8: to provide some portions of the internal network right to

[1:23:08] Voice 8: trustees at least right that's an active

[1:23:13] Voice 8: I don't think

[1:23:14] Voice 6: you

[1:23:17] Voice 8: were at the last one, right?

[1:23:18] Voice 6: No, I wasn't.

[1:23:20] Voice 18: I think it was trustees bowling.

[1:23:22] Voice 18: Oh, yeah.

[1:23:23] Voice 18: But that was more of a calendar access.

[1:23:25] Voice 18: Was it

[1:23:25] Voice 8: just calendar access?

[1:23:26] Voice 18: Yeah, I think that was a particular topic.

[1:23:28] Voice 6: Yeah, but I've talked to her about this too,

[1:23:30] Voice 6: because her and I have the same concerns about this issue.

[1:23:32] Voice 6: So

[1:23:32] Voice 8: that's a big ask, right?

[1:23:33] Voice 8: So that's a trust counsel.

[1:23:34] Voice 8: That's a big, you know,

[1:23:35] Voice 8: trust-wide.

[1:23:37] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:23:38] Voice 8: Okay. Does the PDF not satisfy what you're...

[1:23:42] Voice 6: Oh no, the PDF is fine. But the problem is the

[1:23:44] Voice 6: PDF, the problem isn't in the moment. The moment we're managing it, we're dealing with it, right?

[1:23:48] Voice 6: The problem is in hindsight, when we want to go back and look at a file, because we have a similar

[1:23:53] Voice 6: file. So like Pirate's World file, realignment of the road, we had that a couple of years ago.

[1:23:57] Voice 6: I want you to be able to go and look at that file and see all the correspondence that was attached

[1:24:01] Voice 6: to it when it happened, right? Because it's impactful about all the logging movement on

[1:24:06] Voice 6: there and how it relates to schooner and it's related right and so but when we go to look at

[1:24:12] Voice 6: the pirates road file originally it didn't have all of that correspondence attached to it because

[1:24:17] Voice 6: it wasn't related to it right and or it came in as the other things like happened because there

[1:24:24] Voice 6: was a whole net lens feud there so there was a bunch of correspondence that came in and i don't

[1:24:28] Voice 6: know that the original packets had all that correspondence attached to the original package

[1:24:33] Voice 6: so that's an example one right i'm not sure

[1:24:35] Voice 8: messages outside of the meeting okay how you

[1:24:40] Voice 8: deal with the agenda packages and then you know i got a better understanding yeah because i know

[1:24:48] Voice 6: that staff is taking time to like pull down old applications online that are dead or not dead but

[1:24:55] Voice 6: completed applications right like they don't

[1:24:57] Voice 6: appear because that's where it started triggering

[1:24:59] Voice 6: for me as i went back to look at old applications online i'm like why aren't they there

[1:25:03] Voice 6: And so then I had to dig into WebDAV to find things and dig into my own files to find things.

[1:25:07] Voice 6: And so, and then when I found them, I know all the correspondence wasn't attached.

[1:25:12] Voice 6: I was like, where's the correspondence?

[1:25:13] Voice 6: Now I'm having to go through multiple months of things to try and find where the correspondence

[1:25:17] Voice 6: is and it's not all there.

[1:25:18] Voice 6: So then

[1:25:19] Voice 6: I went through email.

[1:25:19] Voice 6: So like, it took me hours and hours and hours, and you probably have a folder.

[1:25:23] Voice 6: Now I realize you probably have a folder and it was like, oh shit, just email, I've written

[1:25:27] Voice 6: a massive folder.

[1:25:27] Voice 6: But

[1:25:27] Voice 18: I think that's the best thing, is going back, is touch base with the planners and say, look,

[1:25:34] Voice 18: I want to look at Byron's Road,

[1:25:36] Voice 18: send me this.

[1:25:39] Voice 18: So rather than self-serving,

[1:25:42] Voice 6: we have

[1:25:45] Voice 18: to use the search.

[1:25:45] Voice 18: But I guess the

[1:25:46] Voice 6: other question I have on a transparency front for the community, and that's why I want to have that conversation here as opposed to just the one-on-one conversation, is what is our obligation to make sure that that correspondence is holistic and attached?

[1:25:59] Voice 6: And so we can talk about that a little bit, just mechanics of what the issues are internally in those files and the workload that is involved in doing that or whatever, so I can understand that more.

[1:26:10] Voice 6: But it is something that I've been asked by multiple community members.

[1:26:13] Voice 6: and yes they could do a FOIA request but it's also like we don't want to get to that that seems

[1:26:20] Voice 6: like an aggressive move we want to actually get to the point where everybody's just clear on what

[1:26:23] Voice 6: everybody's saying to each other so we're trying to figure out how to do that best so okay I think

[1:26:30] Voice 6: that's my questions are answered and I can continue that perfect can

[1:26:34] Voice 4: I ask a very quick

[1:26:35] Voice 4: question in order for our our um letters to of course once you get into the package

[1:26:42] Voice 4: how far ahead of the meeting they have to be delivered in in your inbox one

[1:26:47] Voice 8: week one

[1:26:48] Voice 8: week agenda deadline is one week before okay

[1:26:50] Voice 4: so before 14 um 10 o'clock this uh that's right

[1:26:59] Voice 7: and

[1:27:00] Voice 6: it's important well i try to keep posting in my pender post the emails that you have to

[1:27:05] Voice 6: send to i'm trying

[1:27:06] Voice 6: to do that regularly each month so that people know where to send stuff so that

[1:27:10] Voice 6: like what brad was saying where sometimes we get only it goes to one person instead of all of us

[1:27:15] Voice 6: and south ireland like we're trying to get you to send it to all four uh or five email addresses

[1:27:19] Voice 6: you

[1:27:21] Voice 18: got like 30 seconds um

[1:27:27] Voice 11: it doesn't know what's in the agenda package until one week ahead of time

[1:27:31] Voice 11: to formulate a response to some situation during no time and it won't get in the agenda package

[1:27:38] Voice 11: it would help if the agenda in effect was deferred for a month so that everybody can look at it for a

[1:27:45] Voice 11: month the agenda was published a month ahead of time it's possible i'm sure but that would help

[1:27:52] Voice 11: the public doesn't know what's going on the trustees yes it's vital that they know but

[1:27:57] Voice 11: supposing there's a boundary information letters that regard a person's application it doesn't

[1:28:03] Voice 11: matter um what information they want to respond to and you can't you can't do it see a delegation

[1:28:11] Voice 18: yeah we're going down another rabbit hole because that's the that's a more holistic trust-wide sort

[1:28:19] Voice 18: of issue and i can assure you it's it's more complicated for that because sometimes we have

[1:28:26] Voice 18: things like deadlines for delegations all that so so there's a timeline that's set up that actually

[1:28:31] Voice 18: makes sense and and and we can't make special rules for each one so but that's another conversation

[1:28:38] Voice 18: anyhow we'll move on to applications and referrals um brad there we wanted to do some

[1:28:46] Voice 18: changing around with the order yeah

[1:28:48] Voice 8: so charlie's got two applications they were just separated on

[1:28:51] Voice 8: the agenda um so i don't know if she's there yet um

[1:28:54] Voice 18: she is there okay so

[1:28:56] Voice 8: maybe we could just move

[1:28:57] Voice 8: her to the application and

[1:28:58] Voice 18: one of her two applications she is shaw and goo john goo

[1:29:03] Voice 18: sounds very so what we'd like to do is 13.3 and 13.5 for side by side that makes it's just

[1:29:11] Voice 18: logistics so charlie if you're available if you would like to introduce 13.3 the jaw

[1:29:18] Voice 18: application yeah

[1:29:21] Voice 1: absolutely and that's page

[1:29:22] Voice 18: 108 okay

[1:29:25] Voice 1: uh good morning chair maude trustee campbell

[1:29:28] Voice 1: and trustee morrison the purpose of this application is for the north pender ltc to

[1:29:34] Voice 1: consider a development permit application for development within the sydney island geotechnical

[1:29:39] Voice 1: development area at 449 arbutus spur on sydney island the applicant has supplied a geotechnical

[1:29:47] Voice 1: report that supports the development of a single family dwelling 15 meters or 49 feet from the

[1:29:53] Voice 1: crest of the foreshore slope and just as a note that would need to be verified by a surveyor.

[1:30:00] Voice 1: existing there is a 10 square meter um shed on the property and it's sited within the area that's

[1:30:06] Voice 1: deemed stable for residential development the exact siting of the proposed dwelling has not

[1:30:11] Voice 1: been determined pending the outcome of this application um but as a condition of the permit

[1:30:17] Voice 1: um there is sort of the developable area and then the buildable area outside of it

[1:30:23] Voice 1: um a construction area as part of the application a geotechnical assessment report was provided

[1:30:29] Voice 1: The report geotechnical assessment strata lot 79 Sydney Island BC meets the DPA guidelines, and that assessment report can be found as attachment three, and the DPA guideline checklist as attachment for the geotechnical just for background the geotechnical

[1:30:47] Voice 1: DPA was established to prevent development in hazardous areas. Area A is the shoreline banks

[1:30:52] Voice 1: area and Area B is the upland relatively level area. As land development and alteration will

[1:30:59] Voice 1: have different impacts on each geotechnical area, the development permit exemptions and guidelines

[1:31:03] Voice 1: are predominantly specific to each area. So the report supports development within geotechnical

[1:31:10] Voice 1: Area B and the proposed development area does not encroach into geotechnical Area A nor the

[1:31:16] Voice 1: sydney island shoreline dpas which are also on the property the draft permit includes recommendations

[1:31:21] Voice 1: that are derived from the geotechnical report and dpa guidelines which include requirements

[1:31:26] Voice 1: and conditions pertaining to construction tree removal and stormwater management

[1:31:31] Voice 1: so the recommendation on page one for the ltc to approve issuance of np dp 2023.2 is supported

[1:31:40] Voice 1: as application is based on a professional geotechnical assessment which meets all of

[1:31:44] Voice 1: relevant objectives and guidelines for the DPA and all recommendations of that assessment have

[1:31:49] Voice 1: been incorporated into the proposed permit and so the applicant is attending remotely

[1:31:54] Voice 1: and should you have any questions is available to speak and thanks.

[1:31:59] Voice 18: Thank you for these questions for the planner of the applicant.

[1:32:02] Voice 6: Yeah the one thing I didn't see, I mean the report generally looks great thanks for this,

[1:32:08] Voice 6: this is the kind of thing where we want to look at a DPA and

[1:32:11] Voice 6: and make variants is because it is more specific to a particular site but what i don't see in here

[1:32:17] Voice 6: and maybe that's just because of the nature of this dpa is i don't see any kind of referral or

[1:32:21] Voice 6: comments about first nations and generally when we're talking about foreshore work we like to

[1:32:26] Voice 6: ensure the first nations are like have seen the report can yeah

[1:32:30] Voice 8: so it's not a foreshore one it's

[1:32:33] Voice 8: it's a geotechnical so

[1:32:35] Voice 6: it's because of the kind of dpa yes okay sorry go ahead yeah

[1:32:40] Voice 1: it's a it's

[1:32:41] Voice 1: upland area um which you'll see in the um the survey um and the um the photos from the site

[1:32:47] Voice 1: no

[1:32:49] Voice 6: i understand it's the upland area but it's along the shore that's my question was just that

[1:32:55] Voice 6: we don't have we're not doing anything anyway or

[1:32:59] Voice 6: any permits like this to variations to first nations

[1:33:03] Voice 6: would the executive support that i thought we are supposed to always do

[1:33:08] Voice 6: with patients that

[1:33:12] Voice 18: literally like we go off planning recommendations so if facial planning

[1:33:18] Voice 18: managers signed off on it um my assumption is executive would protest that we'll

[1:33:28] Voice 7: do it's not

[1:33:28] Voice 7: going to go to dp oh it's not even going to yeah okay this is this is an strata yes yeah

[1:33:38] Voice 6: no i have

[1:33:38] Voice 7: have

[1:33:38] Voice 6: no concerns about it myself it just seems like that's a bad room is that something that

[1:33:43] Voice 8: has been satisfied with the strata but they have they said that they have no no

[1:33:51] Voice 7: interest in

[1:33:55] Voice 7: speaking into it i don't know the strata

[1:33:57] Voice 8: strata no the strata doesn't comment on no

[1:34:00] Voice 8: first nations during during the development of the strata was it ever that started well

[1:34:07] Voice 18: about 50 years old?

[1:34:09] Voice 8: 25-ish years old.

[1:34:11] Voice 8: And there would have been referrals at the time,

[1:34:14] Voice 8: archaeological assessments done and so on.

[1:34:17] Voice 8: Just, I think, was thinking the question came up

[1:34:21] Voice 8: in the Denman meeting the other day.

[1:34:25] Voice 8: David Cameron said that there had been a conversation

[1:34:29] Voice 8: with local associations on it,

[1:34:32] Voice 8: off the record discussion to say this,

[1:34:36] Voice 8: that they really weren't concerned in any way

[1:34:41] Voice 8: as far as the development of a property

[1:34:44] Voice 8: was concerned for affordable housing.

[1:34:46] Voice 8: I just wondered if in the building of the strata

[1:34:49] Voice 8: or something that there has already been a discussion

[1:34:52] Voice 8: that has

[1:34:52] Voice 7: excluded the need for First Nations.

[1:34:58] Voice 6: So I guess that's a question for the applicant.

[1:35:00] Voice 6: Is the strata involved in any way

[1:35:03] Voice 6: or has a relationship with First Nations?

[1:35:05] Voice 6: I guess that would be the sale in this case.

[1:35:09] Voice 7: so if the shahs want to comment on that you

[1:35:15] Voice 14: don't quite understand the question could you just

[1:35:17] Voice 14: restate it so just

[1:35:19] Voice 6: normally in in like four shore work so for instance we had one that was a

[1:35:24] Voice 6: slightly different issue but we had one on little shaw island where um the applicant themselves went

[1:35:29] Voice 6: and like reached out to the first nation and um just got a letter saying you know like that they

[1:35:36] Voice 6: were in conversation and we're all good with what was going on there and i just wondered if the the

[1:35:41] Voice 6: strata on sydney island has done that at all or if they're not in conversation at all with the

[1:35:47] Voice 6: sailor that was seen more broadly my

[1:35:49] Voice 2: my understanding it's jamie castle speaking

[1:35:52] Voice 2: is that there's an old archaeological report that doesn't find any evidence any historical

[1:36:02] Voice 2: evidence but i think and charlie you'd know this better than i that if in the process of

[1:36:10] Voice 2: development, there's obviously any discovery of archaeological, First Nations archaeological

[1:36:17] Voice 2: issues that you immediately begin to liaise. On your question about whether there's currently any

[1:36:26] Voice 2: interaction, there's lots of interaction on deer management with the Sioux, but there's no,

[1:36:36] Voice 2: So as far as I know, there's no interaction in relation to development on the strata, and our development is 30, 40 meters well behind the foreshore area.

[1:36:48] Voice 6: So what I would suggest is I'm not opposed to passing this, because I know that it's better for protection and preserve than without it.

[1:36:58] Voice 6: So I'm not opposed to this, but what I would highly recommend the Strata do is start to get into a more formal relationship, because what you're referencing is the Heritage Act and the DRIPA, the Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People, is parallel to that now, and it didn't used to exist.

[1:37:16] Voice 6: So we do have other rights that we are responsible to be in conversation and reconciliation efforts with First Nations.

[1:37:24] Voice 2: Understood, and we'll pass that on to the Strata Council.

[1:37:27] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:37:29] Voice 18: Thank you, all right, if there are any more questions, so they want to make the motion.

[1:37:36] Voice 6: That the north pender island local trust committee approve issuance and development permit and PDP 2000 23.3 shop.

[1:37:45] Voice 18: Any discussion call a question on favorite that carries Okay, thank you very much Okay, so now we have the second, which is.

[1:37:58] Voice 18: Sorry,

[1:37:58] Voice 6: can it just be noted in the records that we asked the Sydney Island strata to

[1:38:05] Voice 6: make sure they're meeting their drip obligations.

[1:38:10] Voice 16: I've noted that the recommendation is the strata reach out to the First Nations, and

[1:38:15] Voice 16: that the applicant will pass this on to the strata Council.

[1:38:18] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:38:19] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:38:19] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:38:20] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:38:21] Voice 18: Okay, so we have NPTUP 2023, Dr. Gu, and over to you, Charlie.

[1:38:31] Voice 1: Okay, so the application before you is a temporary use permit for a short-term vacation rental at 4801 Pirates Road for a duration of, they're requesting for a duration of three years.

[1:38:43] Voice 1: the owner is seeking the following a maximum of 11 guests and to have the stvr be available three

[1:38:49] Voice 1: and a half weeks per month with exception to the period between may 1st and september 30th when

[1:38:54] Voice 1: stvr use is limited to 30 days the property is sited outside of the magic lake estates water

[1:39:01] Voice 1: system area and therefore is not subject to the tup guidelines maximum of six guests

[1:39:06] Voice 1: and not more than 20 TUPs for STVRs within the area.

[1:39:12] Voice 1: So attachment two in the staff report

[1:39:14] Voice 1: shows the most current TUP map for North Pender.

[1:39:19] Voice 1: The following development permit areas are on the property.

[1:39:23] Voice 1: So DPA 1, which is woodland ecosystems,

[1:39:25] Voice 1: DPA 5, cliff ecosystems,

[1:39:27] Voice 1: and DPA 10, riparian aquatic development.

[1:39:30] Voice 1: As there is no development as part of this application,

[1:39:33] Voice 1: a DPA is not required.

[1:39:36] Voice 1: However, a condition of the permit is to provide guests with information regarding the location of sensitive areas and how to avoid them.

[1:39:44] Voice 1: And then, as you'll see in attachment two, some photos were taken during the staff site visit and the cliffside area is well fenced and has signage that prevents guests from entering that area.

[1:39:56] Voice 1: you. So as per subsection 6.4.6 of the official community plan, the OCP, the applicant must

[1:40:05] Voice 1: demonstrate that the well has adequate quality and quantity of water for the STVR use when that

[1:40:11] Voice 1: property is being serviced by a private well, which is the case here. So as described in

[1:40:16] Voice 1: attachment 6, the TP guidelines, the initial water quality results for total coliform and

[1:40:22] Voice 1: non-coliform bacteria exceeded the safe limits for drinking water and so as was recommended by a

[1:40:28] Voice 1: qualified expert the well was shocked and retested and so the results from June 30th 2023 showed that

[1:40:34] Voice 1: the levels meet the standards for safe drinking water and so the owner was recommended to install

[1:40:40] Voice 1: a UV treatment system to maintain a bacteria level of zero which applicant has confirmed has

[1:40:45] Voice 1: occurred and then according to plumbing on tap who's retained for that work the applicant has

[1:40:52] Voice 1: has also purchased a 2,000-liter cistern to accommodate guests' water needs.

[1:40:58] Voice 1: So two letters have been received by neighbors in opposition to the application for the following reasons.

[1:41:04] Voice 1: They enjoy their property and they do not want an STVR beside them

[1:41:07] Voice 1: and additional congestion at recreational areas such as the swimming hole.

[1:41:12] Voice 1: In their opinion, there are too many B&Bs and STVRs on North Pender.

[1:41:16] Voice 1: That the residence is difficult for emergency service to locate due to its street address

[1:41:22] Voice 1: And they were under the impression that it would be a strictly residential property not used, not for this use.

[1:41:29] Voice 1: So potential issues from the proposed use include increased traffic on Pirates Road and noise in a residential area with a maximum of 11 guests.

[1:41:38] Voice 1: Pressures on the existing well to support a maximum of 11 guests.

[1:41:42] Voice 1: Impact on the availability of rental housing for long-term residents and impacts to the DPAs on the property.

[1:41:48] Voice 1: So the house is not visible from the road.

[1:41:50] Voice 1: it's like well it's like this gated entrance and then you go down the road to it the existing

[1:41:56] Voice 1: vegetation provides screening from the adjacent properties the property manager lives nearby and

[1:42:01] Voice 1: according to her the property will not be available for booking and if she's not there

[1:42:06] Voice 1: there's ample off-street park parking to accommodate a greater number of guests

[1:42:10] Voice 1: and according to the owner the maximum number of people 19 years or older per booking is eight

[1:42:16] Voice 1: and the installation of a UV treatment system and cistern to support the use are included as

[1:42:21] Voice 1: permit conditions and as stated previously the owners do not intend to rent the property full

[1:42:25] Voice 1: time they have I think the intention from my understanding is to use it more extensively

[1:42:31] Voice 1: during the winter they've installed fencing and signage to prevent guests from entering the cliff

[1:42:37] Voice 1: ecosystem and providing and providing information regarding the DPAs on the property as a permit

[1:42:41] Voice 1: condition. So the recommendation on page one for the LTC to approve issuance of NP-TUP 2023.4

[1:42:51] Voice 1: is supported as the application overall complies with the TUP guidelines. There are no other legal

[1:42:57] Voice 1: STVRs in the vicinity of the property. The property is adequately screened from the street

[1:43:02] Voice 1: and from neighbors and there are measures that can be taken should the STVR have an adverse

[1:43:06] Voice 1: impact on neighbors. And so I believe the applicant is intending the meeting in person

[1:43:11] Voice 1: and is available to speak further to the application if required. And that's it.

[1:43:17] Voice 18: Thank you. I'm just back. So trustees want to

[1:43:24] Voice 7: speak, sir?

[1:43:28] Voice 7: Do you have anything you want to add?

[1:43:32] Voice 7: No, I just want to confirm

[1:43:35] Voice 12: our opposition to this.

[1:43:39] Voice 18: Oh, that's not the applicant.

[1:43:41] Voice 5: sorry let's do applicant first

[1:43:42] Voice 18: yeah so we're out so happens over that side

[1:43:45] Voice 18: so

[1:43:46] Voice 8: is is 2 000 liters the actual cistern size or is it 2 000 gallons

[1:43:59] Voice 7: no the big one from look

[1:44:02] Voice 6: at two thousand two thousand gallons gallons

[1:44:04] Voice 7: and liters

[1:44:05] Voice 7: It's

[1:44:06] Voice 6: 2,000 liters.

[1:44:14] Voice 7: Is there anything

[1:44:17] Voice 6: else you want to add to what has been said already?

[1:44:19] Voice 4: We've also put a noise protector around.

[1:44:22] Voice 4: So, and it's wired to my place.

[1:44:27] Voice 4: So, oh, my computer.

[1:44:29] Voice 4: So if it gets noisy or there's, you know, kids screaming,

[1:44:33] Voice 7: I'm going to reply, so I go down there and tell them to reply.

[1:44:37] Voice 7: so i'm the main one and you're the the uh the owner of the property or the manager

[1:44:46] Voice 7: okay staff anything else we should know

[1:44:58] Voice 8: in for my own understanding outside of magic lake

[1:45:06] Voice 8: magically property owners association we still require um sdbr permits

[1:45:13] Voice 8: Yes, yeah yeah if they don't live on the property.

[1:45:17] Voice 6: To home based business.

[1:45:19] Voice 8: yeah yeah the

[1:45:21] Voice 7: difference is magic there is a captain.

[1:45:24] Voice 7: Is a shared water system.

[1:45:29] Voice 7: Okay, I have some questions about the well.

[1:45:33] Voice 6: Our search so because we have do we have any idea related to the water study, but the.

[1:45:41] Voice 6: sort of well like what zone this is in related to waters like that was my goal for the water

[1:45:46] Voice 6: study was that we would actually use it to inform applications like this so like is it a high risk

[1:45:52] Voice 6: aquifer zone is it something that we should understand more deeply with respect to how much

[1:45:57] Voice 6: storage is needed there and because storage is not just for water use which is what it sounds

[1:46:03] Voice 6: like here is also for firefighting if there's ever a problem with fire um so

[1:46:08] Voice 7: thoughts on that do we

[1:46:12] Voice 7: know that charlie is there anything attached to the report that has uh information about the

[1:46:20] Voice 7: groundwater region um

[1:46:22] Voice 9: i can just quickly look it up uh that wasn't something that i concluded

[1:46:26] Voice 9: It

[1:46:30] Voice 7: does seem like 2,000 meters isn't thinkable what my irrigation

[1:46:37] Voice 8: levels, like what I only got

[1:46:40] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:46:44] Voice 7: That's too much, too IDS.

[1:46:46] Voice 7: Um,

[1:46:47] Voice 1: so with respect to, um, vulnerability to saltwater,

[1:46:52] Voice 1: water, it's moderately low. And then

[1:46:58] Voice 9: for intrinsic vulnerability towards the foreshore area,

[1:47:09] Voice 1: it's high to moderate and then moderate to low throughout the midsection. And then

[1:47:17] Voice 1: if we're heading a little bit more towards Pirates Road,

[1:47:22] Voice 9: it's moderate.

[1:47:28] Voice 6: So this is the

[1:47:29] Voice 6: first time, I think, but is this the first time we've had a STVR outside of Magic Bay?

[1:47:36] Voice 8: There was one on Scarford, I recall. Then

[1:47:39] Voice 8: there was one that was with Verona, I hope.

[1:47:42] Voice 6: Okay. So I would actually like to defer this to September and have the water situation understood more clearly.

[1:47:51] Voice 6: And is it possible for us to have the fire department take a look at this?

[1:47:55] Voice 6: application just from their perspective? Can we do that?

[1:47:58] Voice 6: What are we going to ask?

[1:47:59] Voice 6: Okay, can we ask?

[1:48:00] Voice 6: Just for the CRD

[1:48:01] Voice 6: to just give us any input

[1:48:03] Voice 6: they want into this.

[1:48:07] Voice 6: Do they need to give a mention to that?

[1:48:09] Voice 6: I don't know what that sounds like.

[1:48:10] Voice 6: Because basically I want to know what's the amount of water

[1:48:13] Voice 6: that's covered on the property is sufficient from their

[1:48:14] Voice 6: perspective or if they need anything else.

[1:48:17] Voice 6: Because it's a

[1:48:17] Voice 6: summer, late summer

[1:48:18] Voice 6: fire-fighting problem and it's outside magically

[1:48:20] Voice 6: so now we don't have pressurized water.

[1:48:24] Voice 8: Oh, so storage.

[1:48:26] Voice 8: yeah storage on site for there

[1:48:29] Voice 6: has to be some access so like we've talked to the water department

[1:48:31] Voice 6: over the years about like pond access for water for firefighting regions like what is the reservoir

[1:48:36] Voice 6: that is for and the reason that it's more important when it comes to an stvr is because it's

[1:48:41] Voice 6: it's a rotating door different people it's not the residents who are like well-versed in

[1:48:45] Voice 6: understanding this so it's a risk to the whole community when there's a rotating door different

[1:48:49] Voice 6: people without a resident person and it's not that we said we as a manager that's great too

[1:48:54] Voice 6: but it still is that issue of there's nothing right sitting on top. Excuse

[1:48:59] Voice 7: me, can I ask what

[1:49:00] Voice 7: the address is? Carly, you had

[1:49:04] Voice 18: something to add?

[1:49:08] Voice 1: Yeah, so just for my clarity, when you're hoping

[1:49:12] Voice 1: for a proof of adequate supply and quality, so are you saying that you want like the original

[1:49:23] Voice 1: company that was retained to provide like a written report? Are you wanting also the fire

[1:49:31] Voice 1: department to provide comment? Like what are the specific parameters so that I know exactly what

[1:49:35] Voice 1: to ask for?

[1:49:36] Voice 6: Yeah, no, nothing that complex. So really what we want to know is like it would be

[1:49:43] Voice 6: really good to be a hundred percent crystal clear on liters versus gallons, which it sounds like

[1:49:48] Voice 6: as leaders and to understand the maps that you just looked up of the water maps to just have like

[1:49:55] Voice 6: uh like that in front of us so we can see what that is sure to have to have a it would be nice

[1:50:01] Voice 6: for the staff to have some kind of comment on that what like to have william shilba weigh in on like

[1:50:05] Voice 6: what he thinks like to two sentence answer for him about what the description of water is in that

[1:50:11] Voice 6: region and then for the fire department i think the question to them is like what are their

[1:50:19] Voice 6: concerns and are

[1:50:19] Voice 9: they addressed in the permit

[1:50:20] Voice 6: okay

[1:50:24] Voice 9: um okay

[1:50:27] Voice 1: uh so just just as like a point to add um

[1:50:31] Voice 1: thank you um but yeah just a point to add so i had i had called um the company that had been retained

[1:50:36] Voice 1: to do the water quality results and i'd asked you know um based on your expertise because again

[1:50:42] Voice 1: i'm not an expert in uh uh quantity of water and quality testing so kind of defer to the experts

[1:50:48] Voice 1: And, um, they had said that given the, the, what they'd recommended with respect to the

[1:50:54] Voice 1: cistern and, um, the UV treatment system that they provided, it would be adequate for the

[1:50:58] Voice 1: maximum number of, um, guests.

[1:51:01] Voice 1: Um, so I just wanted to add that as a note, but, um, definitely, um, you know, uh, we

[1:51:06] Voice 1: can, um, do something more, uh, more prescriptive for sure.

[1:51:10] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:51:11] Voice 6: And for the volume of water that you have there, it's possible that 2000 is adequate

[1:51:17] Voice 6: for that.

[1:51:17] Voice 6: I actually have 3,000 in my own, under my own house in Magic Lake, and I just use that for water and plants.

[1:51:25] Voice 6: And so it's, there's, so that is something that I understand that they say it.

[1:51:32] Voice 6: I would like William Shillelagh to tell us what his

[1:51:34] Voice 6: thoughts are on that too.

[1:51:36] Voice 6: So we have staff understanding of that.

[1:51:38] Voice 6: And then just a quick comment related to the water.

[1:51:41] Voice 6: It doesn't mean that we have to store water on the property.

[1:51:43] Voice 6: I just want the fire department to know that they have accessible water if there is any fire related issue.

[1:51:50] Voice 6: So, because sometimes those are in like adjacent ponds or there's a like a dip point that they take it from somewhere or whatever, but I don't know what there is. I can't think of one.

[1:51:59] Voice 6: i

[1:51:59] Voice 8: know that the fire department has done has mapped out basically all the way across

[1:52:13] Voice 8: the island for extraction points for water um to

[1:52:21] Voice 7: put going through this to put

[1:52:25] Voice 8: fire department accessible water in at a residence would be a considerable cost to them for them to

[1:52:33] Voice 8: be able to put in a stand by it's that the winery has one has to be a certain size browning has one

[1:52:40] Voice 8: to draw it under cool um so it's i don't know that that's a request that we can reasonably make

[1:52:50] Voice 8: for people to upgrade their their on-site water storage for it i'm

[1:52:55] Voice 6: not necessarily asking for that

[1:52:56] Voice 8: yet but

[1:52:56] Voice 6: if this is being done as a business then it's a different issue related to the community

[1:53:01] Voice 6: in that region so we do have to think about that and there's different different people moving

[1:53:06] Voice 6: through the space instead of the other

[1:53:08] Voice 8: no no i yeah i get that so just wondering if it's as simple

[1:53:11] Voice 8: as a phone call it would be

[1:53:13] Voice 6: but i i'd rather have it on the official records if you refer it to the

[1:53:16] Voice 6: fire department and that day they have a two and they like it can be an email yeah can you take a

[1:53:22] Voice 6: look at this file and give us your thoughts that kind of thing but i'd like it on the first part

[1:53:26] Voice 6: yeah

[1:53:27] Voice 8: that's

[1:53:28] Voice 6: all so what do you need

[1:53:30] Voice 8: is a resolution to defer the application and request

[1:53:35] Voice 8: staff to do those three things okay

[1:53:37] Voice 6: let's see if i can remember what those three things are

[1:53:41] Voice 6: did you write them down

[1:53:41] Voice 8: so

[1:53:44] Voice 1: you had asked to clarify whether the cistern capacity was in

[1:53:49] and

[1:53:49] Voice 1: leaders or gallons um you had asked for um i

[1:53:54] Voice 6: would pause you i was actually looking at robert

[1:53:56] Voice 6: when i when i asked that question so i let me let me take a stab at the motion and if i missed

[1:54:03] Voice 6: something let me know okay did the north pender local trust committee uh defer application

[1:54:11] Voice 7: application from them

[1:54:15] Voice 10: so here we

[1:54:20] Voice 6: go I got it uh defer application NPTUP 2023

[1:54:25] Voice 13: .4 that's right right

[1:54:29] Voice 13: okay um

[1:54:30] Voice 13: to

[1:54:33] Voice 7: the September 2023 LTC meeting and direct staff to

[1:54:48] Voice 6: gather the following information

[1:54:52] Voice 3: is

[1:54:52] Voice 8: direct staff okay

[1:54:54] Voice 6: direct staff provide clarity

[1:54:57] Voice 8: on

[1:54:59] Voice 6: the size of the cistern okay so just i want to

[1:55:02] Voice 6: make sure our recorder is catching this as you say it that

[1:55:07] Voice 10: you pass that

[1:55:08] Voice 6: you're good yeah

[1:55:09] Voice 10: i've

[1:55:10] Voice 6: got and direct staff to okay number one robert's going to read them okay i provide

[1:55:17] Voice 8: clarity on the

[1:55:18] Voice 8: size of the cistern right second to uh refer the application to the senior fresh water specialist

[1:55:33] Voice 8: for comment okay

[1:55:36] Voice 16: is that the and that's the water specialist is it yeah okay yes thank you third

[1:55:48] Voice 7: refer to the fire department to comment okay that's

[1:55:55] Voice 4: right and now we would just know

[1:55:58] Voice 4: and is that

[1:55:59] Voice 16: basically for staff to work with the applicant or where it says defer the application

[1:56:09] Voice 16: to september ltc 2023 meeting and direct staff to work with the applicant or how

[1:56:19] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:56:22] Voice 16: Okay. Get confirmation from the applicant. Okay.

[1:56:28] Voice 6: Yeah. Yes. For the first one, it's to get confirmation from the applicant. For the

[1:56:32] Voice 6: other ones, it's something the staff's going to do.

[1:56:38] Voice 9: Can you read it back, Pat?

[1:56:40] Voice 16: Yeah. Okay. That basically moved to defer the application to September

[1:56:46] Voice 16: local trust committee 2023 meeting and direct staff to get confirmation from the applicant

[1:56:53] Voice 16: to provide yeah this is gets confusing to provide clarity of size of cistern refer

[1:57:02] Voice 16: applicant refer application to the water specialist for comment and refer to fire

[1:57:09] Voice 16: fire department for comment okay

[1:57:13] Voice 6: so the first one it ends just before refer so yeah it's a little

[1:57:21] Voice 6: bit i can't it's really hard to do this without it in front of me because we understand okay so

[1:57:27] Voice 6: the the that gets the gist of the pieces that we want to see okay do you have anything else

[1:57:32] Voice 6: before that no that's something after

[1:57:35] Voice 7: that's gonna so moved okay

[1:57:38] Voice 18: okay now just to be clear

[1:57:41] Voice 18: at this point in time the only person who can really speak to it is the applicant

[1:57:45] Voice 18: um the time to voice your objections is in the town hall at the beginning of the meeting

[1:57:50] Voice 18: so and and this is being deferred now so at the september meeting if you want to raise your

[1:57:55] Voice 18: objections or you want to submit something um you can do it in writing in advance of the meeting

[1:58:01] Voice 18: or speak in the town hall at the meeting because this is between us and the applicant now we did

[1:58:08] Voice 5: so we

[1:58:10] Voice 18: did it's on the record and as i say the the decision right now is to defer which is what

[1:58:15] Voice 18: the vote will be and so you're if you have further stuff september is the time okay thank you so

[1:58:24] Voice 18: second yeah discussion no

[1:58:27] Voice 8: no i have a comment thereafter okay so

[1:58:31] Voice 7: no discussion follow question

[1:58:35] Voice 7: okay um

[1:58:36] Voice 8: i was wondering if this is something that we could just add those questions that we're

[1:58:41] Voice 8: asking for this particular property if it's something that we could just make part of

[1:58:46] Voice 8: a checklist of going forward on any other ones yeah so

[1:58:51] Voice 8: that it's something that is yeah we we

[1:58:54] Voice 8: have this the freshwater study and

[1:58:56] Voice 3: people

[1:58:58] Voice 8: to kind of look at it and could we just make that more

[1:59:02] Voice 8: streamlined and yeah we'll update the the information on the checklist for them um because

[1:59:08] Voice 8: there's so few outside of magic that's

[1:59:10] Voice 6: right this is the first time it

[1:59:11] Voice 6: really died that was uh

[1:59:12] Voice 6: so we want

[1:59:18] Voice 18: to take a 10-minute break five-minute break so we just everyone's taking a five-minute

[1:59:23] Voice 18: a break. And we will come back to continue. Thank you.

[2:04:13] Voice 7: Thank you so much.

[2:04:38] Voice 7: You're very much my favorite.

[2:04:40] Voice 7: You know what he's talking about.

[2:04:42] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:04:47] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:04:57] Voice 7: Please.

[2:05:01] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:05:02] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:05:05] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:05:11] Voice 7: we

[2:05:14] Voice 18: did a separate break on on monday or tuesday and one they brought a gap

[2:05:20] Voice 18: it was a gap in the box so it was just sitting in the box right same thing trying to get people

[2:05:26] Voice 18: back together so sam just opened the lid of the box everybody

[2:05:31] Voice 18: is sounding out

[2:05:32] Voice 18: didn't even have to show the gap that was enough

[2:05:38] Voice 3: all

[2:05:38] Voice 18: right so next up we have north pender the rz 2022.1 sydney island strata corporation proposed

[2:05:47] Voice 18: by all number two three two consideration of adoption of the staff report and that's

[2:05:53] Voice 18: rachel patty manager thank you

[2:05:55] Voice 8: this is on the agenda for consideration of adoption

[2:05:58] Voice 8: The public hearing was held back in March, approved by trust's executive committee.

[2:06:07] Voice 8: Subsequently, the applicants did ask the adoption be deferred until after their annual general meeting, which was in late May, where they adopted their own bylaw amendments to their strata bylaw.

[2:06:19] Voice 8: And so it's back to the final adoption.

[2:06:22] Voice 8: The

[2:06:22] Voice 3: trustees, any

[2:06:23] Voice 4: questions, any concerns?

[2:06:25] Voice 4: I don't have anything to talk about at this time, but just a little bit.

[2:06:27] Voice 3: All right.

[2:06:29] Voice 4: 29, yeah.

[2:06:32] Voice 18: The applicant stops.

[2:06:33] Voice 18: I can't.

[2:06:34] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:06:36] Voice 6: At the North Kinder Island Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 232, cited as North Kinder associated island line based bylaw number 148, 2003, amendment number 1, 2022.

[2:06:45] Voice 6: point to you.

[2:06:48] Voice 4: Sorry, that is so legalese.

[2:06:52] Voice 18: Okay, seconded. Okay, any discussion? Call the question

[2:06:56] Voice 18: all in favor? Everybody smile.

[2:06:58] Voice 6: If this is a longstanding issue, which we've dealt with in past

[2:07:01] Voice 6: meetings, it's more of a formality at this point.

[2:07:04] Voice 18: All right. So next up, we have North Tender MP, TMP 2023.5

[2:07:12] Voice 18: Grimmer. Who's speaking to that?

[2:07:16] Voice 18: Thank

[2:07:17] Voice 8: you, Chair Vaughan. So LCC presenting a staff report here for a temporary use permit. This is a new temporary use permit for the Brimmer property at 4415 Bedwell Harbour Road for the concrete bath plant.

[2:07:32] Voice 8: As you'll recall, the first permit was issued in 2019 for one year and then it was renewed

[2:07:39] Voice 8: for two more years and it is now expiring and so the applicant is returning seeking

[2:07:46] Voice 8: a new temporary use permit for essentially the same land use that the previous permit

[2:07:51] Voice 8: and renewal allowed for, which is the operation of the concrete batch plant on what is now

[2:07:56] Voice 8: 0.54 hectare portion of the subject property. So essentially the temporary use permit conditions are

[2:08:06] Voice 8: the permit is the same as what was presented and approved last term with a few minor

[2:08:15] Voice 8: alterations as listed on page 34 of the staff report. So some language was removed in the

[2:08:22] Voice 8: original permit there were two schedules a kind of a temporary permit area which was slightly larger

[2:08:28] Voice 8: than the existing area and so this permit now only has that second schedule a area which is

[2:08:33] Voice 8: the 0.5 years and all the references to other schedules are removed and the landscaping

[2:08:40] Voice 8: screening conditions to complete those works as those works have been completed that condition is

[2:08:46] Voice 8: removed there are still conditions to maintain those those those plantings there was an

[2:08:56] Voice 8: environmental inspection report completed in 2022 it indicated that all of the conditions

[2:09:02] Voice 8: are being met by the applicant or by the property owner and that report is including attachments

[2:09:10] Voice 8: That report did include two additional comments that are listed on page 35 with respect to

[2:09:18] Voice 8: storing excess concrete in times of rain, and as well as considering installation of

[2:09:27] Voice 8: a groundwater monitoring well down gradient.

[2:09:30] Voice 8: So staff have suggested adding two new conditions to the permit, which are listed on page 36

[2:09:37] Voice 8: for consideration by local trust committee

[2:09:40] Voice 8: uh the understanding of staff is that this temporary use

[2:09:45] Voice 8: permit is meant to be uh followed up by a rezoning application that rezoning application hasn't been

[2:09:52] Voice 8: submitted yet i i do i do know that the local trust committee is keen to see that so another

[2:09:58] Voice 8: condition has been added that that rezoning application be submitted within six months

[2:10:02] Voice 8: six months of the temporary use permit being issued.

[2:10:07] Voice 8: The temporary use permit could continue on

[2:10:09] Voice 8: and the rezoning process could play itself out,

[2:10:13] Voice 8: the temporary use permit allowing those activities

[2:10:16] Voice 8: to occur until a rezoning decision is made.

[2:10:20] Voice 8: There is a decision for local trust committee

[2:10:22] Voice 8: to decide on how long to issue this current report.

[2:10:27] Voice 8: And with that, I'll pass it back

[2:10:29] Voice 8: to the local trust committee, Dr. Chair.

[2:10:31] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:10:33] Voice 4: So,

[2:10:34] Voice 18: Mr. Irwin, do you want to speak to your application at all?

[2:10:36] Voice 18: No.

[2:10:37] Voice 18: Absolutely.

[2:10:41] Voice 8: What is sort of the expected timeline of a rezoning application?

[2:10:48] Voice 8: The timeline to complete the process?

[2:10:51] Voice 8: I would say a minimum of probably, in this case,

[2:10:56] Voice 8: it'll be a pretty complex rezoning application.

[2:10:58] Voice 8: application uh so a minimum of a year to two years is probably a realistic time frame and then it can

[2:11:07] Voice 8: go longer than that if you know there's a lot of community angst or if there are a lot of things to

[2:11:13] Voice 8: work through but I would say yeah so

[2:11:18] Voice 18: so we'd be looking at likely two or three year terms this

[2:11:21] Voice 18: tup would be the right yeah

[2:11:23] Voice 8: I think if you left that condition in there where he's required to

[2:11:27] Voice 8: submit his rezoning application and he gets that ball rolling then it would be reasonable to allow

[2:11:34] Voice 8: to i mean he's doing all the things he's supposed to be doing there's no

[2:11:38] Voice 8: uh complaints or concerns being raised that we are hearing from any residents uh near or far to the

[2:11:46] Voice 8: property and so it would seem reasonable to issue a permit for a couple years or three years even

[2:11:52] Voice 8: and then that would in over a three-year

[2:11:55] Voice 8: term that would probably assuming he gets his rezoning

[2:11:58] Voice 8: application in within six months as required uh that would probably be enough time to then wait

[2:12:03] Voice 8: and we would we would finish it

[2:12:07] Voice 4: yeah this is

[2:12:09] Voice 7: my

[2:12:09] Voice 8: understanding mr grimmer could speak to this but

[2:12:12] Voice 8: my understanding is that the layout of how he's using the land now his rezoning proposal uh the

[2:12:19] Voice 8: Leo will be different and there, for example, he has a desire to build up like a storage building

[2:12:27] Voice 8: an operations building which doesn't currently exist. So the footprint of the land use will

[2:12:35] Voice 8: look different in his rezoning but the use right now within his temporary use permit will not start

[2:12:40] Voice 8: to shift to that until yes okay so

[2:12:46] Voice 6: my my hearing of this would be that it would be a three-year

[2:12:50] Voice 6: permit there would be a six-month um requirement to start the rezoning application and that these

[2:12:57] Voice 6: other two pieces which are across the page now but that you mentioned would be added in correct

[2:13:03] Voice 8: and so the one with the covering of the concrete that's a relatively simple one uh the drilling of

[2:13:08] Voice 8: of monitoring, well, it's more work, obviously.

[2:13:15] Voice 8: And there would be a

[2:13:17] Voice 6: timeline attached to that

[2:13:18] Voice 6: for it to be done?

[2:13:20] Voice 8: It says, yeah, the condition indicates within one year

[2:13:23] Voice 8: of the temporary permit being granted.

[2:13:25] Voice 8: And of

[2:13:25] Voice 8: course that monitoring, well,

[2:13:28] Voice 8: if rezoning is approved, that monitoring, well,

[2:13:31] Voice 8: is going to be a useful resource

[2:13:34] Voice 8: and probably something that you would expect

[2:13:36] Voice 8: back through a rezoning application anyways that this is going to be a long-term legalized

[2:13:43] Voice 8: permitted land use so and I'm not hearing any huge objections to

[2:13:51] Voice 6: these requirements okay maybe can I just say a couple things and then if you have anything else

[2:13:58] Voice 6: on there I might definitely jump in so this has been a long road I think this was the one of the

[2:14:05] Voice 6: very first things that I dealt with when I took over in my career and there was a lot

[2:14:11] Voice 6: of unrest around the move because it was moved without a permit.

[2:14:18] Voice 6: So it was a retroactive permit to get it up for compliance and to do that we treated the

[2:14:23] Voice 6: temporary use permit differently than we've done it because it's the only concrete plant.

[2:14:27] Voice 6: right so we use the temporary use permit to do environmental monitoring and try and get the

[2:14:34] Voice 6: type of industrial activity that is a concrete plant and is so much part of the community and

[2:14:39] Voice 6: business and some of the violence but to get it to be environmentally sound in the work that it's

[2:14:45] Voice 6: doing here so um i don't know how many times i've been out there but you know a few different times

[2:14:50] Voice 6: looking and checking that things are safe and like just understanding having conversations

[2:14:54] Voice 6: conversations. So even though the move was done, and we're just going to let that be part of

[2:15:00] Voice 6: history, that I think, you know, Aaron's been really good about working with us to try and

[2:15:05] Voice 6: ensure that these conditions are met. And that's what we wanted to see. Frankly, we wanted to see

[2:15:10] Voice 6: with the Temporary Youth Affirmative, that's why we only did a year on the first one. And then a

[2:15:14] Voice 6: longer term on the second one is we wanted to see it given that it was a retroactive and a

[2:15:18] Voice 6: violent enforcement TUP, we wanted to see that you're actually engaged and working with the

[2:15:23] Voice 6: the trust on this so that has been really consistent i feel like good about how that's

[2:15:28] Voice 6: been working there is unrest in community about that site being the long-term site that's what

[2:15:33] Voice 6: the rezoning is for that's why we want to get the rezoning on deck if there's actually a larger

[2:15:38] Voice 6: community conversation to be had let's just have that and get it out like be done with it right

[2:15:42] Voice 6: because it's a certainty issue both for the community and for business to know that that

[2:15:47] Voice 6: site is the site and that it's like going to be well done i like the addition of the well i'd like

[2:15:52] Voice 6: to see the well done i like the idea of the six-month rezoning purpose starting so we're not

[2:15:56] Voice 6: talking about this in three years and where's the resounding application so um any any other things

[2:16:03] Voice 6: i'm good without all the suggestions and so if that's the motion to do it all i'm good but any

[2:16:09] Voice 6: other thoughts on that or no

[2:16:11] Voice 18: no no no no no so the only the only outstanding is that a two to

[2:16:16] Voice 18: three year term a

[2:16:18] Voice 6: three seems better because i know how long these things take i don't want to

[2:16:21] Voice 6: run out of permit because then we're going to be doing a rezoning without a permanent place and

[2:16:25] Voice 6: that's annoying

[2:16:25] Voice 8: and it would be good to be able to get people to start and finish the rezoning

[2:16:31] Voice 8: activation

[2:16:32] Voice 18: so the motion is to issue the permit the three-year term is just implied

[2:16:38] Voice 18: you just add that

[2:16:40] Voice 18: to the motion for

[2:16:41] Voice 8: a period of three years okay

[2:16:43] Voice 6: so can you tell me the page um

[2:16:45] Voice 6: it's

[2:16:46] Voice 7: 33. and

[2:16:47] Voice 6: is that permanent as it's currently established has those additional two things or do

[2:16:53] Voice 6: we need to make a motion to add those this

[2:16:55] Voice 8: is a new permit so if it was a renewal you couldn't

[2:16:59] Voice 8: actually add those connections you would have to but because it's a new permit you're just

[2:17:03] Voice 8: essentially approving a new permit and those conditions are sorry

[2:17:08] Voice 6: i'm not being clear is the

[2:17:09] Voice 6: recommendation number one on page 33 the recommendation that will make those conditions

[2:17:15] Voice 6: part of the permit or do we

[2:17:16] Voice 8: need to also

[2:17:17] Voice 6: say please they're

[2:17:18] Voice 8: in the job they're in the job

[2:17:31] Voice 7: they're being you

[2:17:34] Voice 8: to decide it's just i put one year in there but that's just

[2:17:37] Voice 8: all right go for it that the north bender island local trust committee approved the

[2:17:47] Voice 8: issuance of temporary use permit NPT 2023.5 for a term of three years.

[2:17:56] Voice 8: Great discussion.

[2:17:58] Voice 6: I'm really happy with how things are going to be going on that permit in the

[2:18:03] Voice 6: sense of like the compliance and that the idea that we can work that way can

[2:18:07] Voice 6: help us actually come to a place where we're doing things well in

[2:18:10] Voice 6: conversations. And thanks to everyone who wrote in and asked the different

[2:18:15] Voice 6: pieces. This has been a and so maybe one last thing.

[2:18:18] Voice 6: talking but one last thing so when we initially did the very first permit if i remember from the

[2:18:23] Voice 6: first to the second one of the things was like uh i think it was carl had asked about the driveway

[2:18:29] Voice 6: and making sure that there's no mud on the road so like that's helpful all we did was flag that

[2:18:33] Voice 6: and aaron dealt with it it was fine right gravel down the road and dealt with it so like if there's

[2:18:39] Voice 6: issues the community has those will come up in the rezoning and we will we will try and resolve any

[2:18:43] Voice 6: other problems okay but let us know he's a reasonable person thank you thank you

[2:18:50] Voice 7: that was discussion

[2:18:52] Voice 18: and thank you mr grimmer and i can say on behalf of the contractors

[2:19:02] Voice 18: main island they thank you too because we value mr grimmer's contract i mean on many islands so

[2:19:07] Voice 18: um

[2:19:08] Voice 6: aaron since you're here can i ask if there's still a boat in the yard a boat yes

[2:19:14] Voice 11: um no there

[2:19:16] Voice 11: isn't okay

[2:19:19] Voice 6: so i'm assuming that there's no derelict vehicles compliance issues on the property thank

[2:19:24] Voice 6: you all right perfect

[2:19:26] Voice 18: okay um next up we have npdp 2023.3 and a shave um and who says

[2:19:34] Voice 7: 134. thank

[2:19:42] Voice 8: you chair so this is a development permit application for uh the removal of the

[2:19:47] Voice 8: trees at 4815 screen array as everyone here is well aware of the concerns on this property

[2:19:55] Voice 7: So,

[2:19:56] Voice 8: resulting from tree removal in a raptor's nest development permit area, there's two development permit areas on the property.

[2:20:06] Voice 8: Professional assessment indicates that DPA Site 1, as indicated on page 135 of your package,

[2:20:16] Voice 8: No longer has functioning raptor or nesting trees, and so it is exempt from DPA requirements but DPA site 2 is deemed to be a valid site with a functioning Douglas fir tree that could act as a nesting tree in the future and currently does not have a nesting tree.

[2:20:40] Voice 8: and so as you know the applicant has removed trees from that development permit area without

[2:20:46] Voice 8: a permit so they've been required to seek a retroactive permit with the remediation and

[2:20:55] Voice 8: restoration requirements as well as future tree protection requirements the professional

[2:21:00] Voice 8: has delivered a professional report which in my view is pretty comprehensive and

[2:21:05] Voice 8: and objective and from a highly qualified professional.

[2:21:10] Voice 8: The assessment report assesses the impacts

[2:21:14] Voice 8: of the tree removal, provides corresponding prescriptions

[2:21:19] Voice 8: for ecological restoration,

[2:21:21] Voice 8: and also makes more general recommendations

[2:21:24] Voice 8: to help minimize future potential impacts

[2:21:26] Voice 8: to the nesting tree and the DP.

[2:21:29] Voice 8: The attached draft permit has topics with respect

[2:21:34] Voice 8: and nesting tree protection a general requirement for ecological restoration restoration area site

[2:21:41] Voice 8: prescriptions as well as timing and monitoring like that work and it is up to the local trust

[2:21:49] Voice 8: committee to decide where to go with the issuance of that permit there was some discussion earlier

[2:21:56] Voice 8: of creating a security there's not currently a security included in permit conditions it's my

[2:22:04] Voice 8: understanding that they could assign security through the local government activisions but

[2:22:09] Voice 8: it's not actually indicated in the development permit guidelines itself whereas on galliano for

[2:22:16] Voice 8: example most of the dps actually have specific language saying as a guideline that a security

[2:22:22] Voice 8: could be uh created so yeah which could require

[2:22:26] Voice 8: security as part of the permit you could add that

[2:22:28] Voice 8: to the permit there's no

[2:22:29] Voice 8: estimate though right credits there's no so

[2:22:32] Voice 7: we would need to go we

[2:22:33] Voice 7: do we so we refer to bylaw or

[2:22:46] Voice 8: i'm i'm where are we at right now as far as the prosecution yeah

[2:22:54] Voice 17: so the next hearing is august 9th and the ground council still has to make their decision on

[2:23:00] Voice 17: whether or not they will proceed with our charge or proceed with the prosecution so

[2:23:04] Voice 8: i feel like

[2:23:06] Voice 8: i

[2:23:07] Voice 3: don't

[2:23:08] Voice 8: know that this is something that we shouldn't be taking any action on until we

[2:23:12] Voice 8: know where that is going and what the requirements of that might be

[2:23:18] Voice 7: because for us to for us to approve it i just i don't think that we can

[2:23:29] Voice 6: I'm with you on that and I think we should add a security department so we're going to

[2:23:36] Voice 6: defer it anyway I think regardless for that reason so one other thing so I'm happy to

[2:23:41] Voice 6: make a recommendation that we defer it and direct staff to get an estimate for a security

[2:23:45] Voice 6: deposit and then that will come back in September and then we'll know what the August I guess

[2:23:50] Voice 8: the the question that i would have is if crown council takes it what do they require at the end

[2:24:00] Voice 8: of it that would be something that we would also want to see satisfied before we approved yeah a

[2:24:07] Voice 8: development so

[2:24:08] Voice 6: it sounds like we also need a report from the meeting from the current council

[2:24:12] Voice 6: like so that we can help inform what any changes we will talk about okay okay do

[2:24:19] Voice 6: you need some

[2:24:19] Voice 6: motion for that yeah

[2:24:20] Voice 8: to defer and to uh request and ask the point for security deposit can i do

[2:24:25] Voice 6: them as two separate things or should just

[2:24:27] Voice 8: do one okay

[2:24:28] Voice 6: so the north pender local trust committee

[2:24:30] Voice 6: direct staff to um provide right

[2:24:36] Voice 6: oh sorry the north pender ltc defers the application

[2:24:42] Voice 6: application, permit NPDP 2023.3 and direct staff. Do I need to say when I defer it to?

[2:24:54] Voice 6: No, obtain

[2:24:56] Voice 7: an estimate for a security deposit.

[2:24:57] Voice 6: And direct staff to obtain an estimate for a

[2:24:59] Voice 6: security deposit.

[2:25:04] Voice 7: Okay. And information

[2:25:08] Voice 6: on the outcomes of the...

[2:25:11] Voice 7: That's a separate.

[2:25:11] Voice 6: Okay. Okay. So let's just leave it there and then we'll come back to that one.

[2:25:15] Voice 7: okay pat you got the first one sorry

[2:25:23] Voice 16: i had my most turned off to defer the the application

[2:25:26] Voice 16: and direct staff to obtain an estimate for a security deposit that's right thank you so moved

[2:25:31] Voice 18: second okay discussion all the question all in favor carries okay

[2:25:37] Voice 6: and so then the second

[2:25:38] Voice 6: motion would be to um request uh staff to get a report on the outcomes of the carnal council

[2:25:50] Voice 17: I'll report back to you what decisions have been made as soon as I know and then they can do it

[2:25:54] Voice 17: in camera where

[2:25:56] Voice 6: is that meeting happening it's

[2:25:58] Voice 17: not a meeting okay so

[2:26:00] Voice 17: we're providing

[2:26:01] Voice 17: council with the information that they request okay um this information will not be part of

[2:26:07] Voice 17: that report we give to them and then they'll either say yes or no okay

[2:26:11] Voice 6: okay that's great

[2:26:14] Voice 6: thank you for that thank you for following up on that and hopefully the comment steps up

[2:26:18] Voice 6: the request for it goes into the crown council like all the information that goes into the

[2:26:26] Voice 6: crown council sorry no it's all because

[2:26:29] Voice 17: no this is the evidence that we have regarding the file

[2:26:32] Voice 17: that's right now i would say it's confidential it it may become public if the prosecution proceeds

[2:26:39] Voice 17: and then all that information would be part of a court filing.

[2:26:42] Voice 17: But right now, it's not part of a court filing.

[2:26:47] Voice 17: And it probably wouldn't be if they just say they're not going to proceed with the prosecution,

[2:26:53] Voice 17: then that part of it will be the end of it.

[2:26:56] Voice 17: There will be no public release of the documents.

[2:26:58] Voice 6: And then there will be, so in my understanding of the next steps in that situation,

[2:27:03] Voice 6: is that then we would, if they say no, for instance,

[2:27:06] Voice 6: then we will have to make our next step decision on what we would do internally as the LTC.

[2:27:12] Voice 6: Will we issue the permit?

[2:27:14] Voice 6: Will we, like, what are our options and consider them

[2:27:17] Voice 6: based on that decision?

[2:27:18] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:27:19] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:27:22] Voice 18: You

[2:27:23] Voice 5: right now really don't, let me ask a question.

[2:27:25] Voice 18: Well, this is really not the time to ask the questions, but yes, brief question, yes, but not really.

[2:27:32] Voice 18: I

[2:27:33] Voice 6: want to know all the information from the community,

[2:27:36] Voice 6: the photographs and that sort of thing, will go to Crown Council.

[2:27:40] Voice 17: No, this

[2:27:41] Voice 17: is evidence gathered by bylaw enforcement officers.

[2:27:45] Voice 17: So the public, I know the public is concerned about it,

[2:27:48] Voice 17: but that's not, this is a prosecution.

[2:27:51] Voice 17: They're not concerned about public input.

[2:27:53] Voice 17: They have to look at the evidence we have of the offense.

[2:27:58] Voice 17: So, and they're going to determine that there's grounds and evidence

[2:28:01] Voice 17: to proceed, prosecute this offense or not.

[2:28:05] Voice 17: Public concern and input will not be part of their discussion.

[2:28:09] Voice 7: Not part of the evidence.

[2:28:22] Voice 7: Unless we're

[2:28:23] Voice 17: going to have you appear as a witness. But right now, there's no requirement.

[2:28:25] Voice 17: We have biologist reports. We have our photographs. We have our testimony.

[2:28:29] Voice 17: That can go as far as evidence. We have all that. And that's what

[2:28:33] Voice 17: the Crown will use to determine whether or not it's in the public interest to proceed with the prosecution.

[2:28:37] Voice 17: so

[2:28:38] Voice 6: so maybe i can just ask a question here um so if there were concerned community members who

[2:28:46] Voice 6: wanted to communicate with the crown is there a way that they can communicate their concerns

[2:28:51] Voice 6: right

[2:28:51] Voice 17: now i would say no so

[2:28:54] Voice 14: there's no office i

[2:28:56] Voice 17: don't think it would be appropriate okay i'd have

[2:28:58] Voice 17: to check with our legal counsel to see if you know that can be done right now i don't see it

[2:29:04] Voice 17: as being appropriate okay

[2:29:07] Voice 13: i think we might

[2:29:08] Voice 17: what's appropriate and what is most important is that the

[2:29:12] Voice 17: local trust committee says we want this prosecutor yeah

[2:29:16] Voice 17: right no i'm just

[2:29:17] Voice 6: trying to understand

[2:29:19] Voice 6: because there is a lot of different ways to understand what's happening there and i totally

[2:29:24] Voice 6: agree that you're collecting the evidence based on law enforcement um but there's a difference

[2:29:30] Voice 6: between how people are like the timing of when we're all here and like you know so so there's

[2:29:37] Voice 6: just some concerns and i just want to be able to direct community to whoever they can talk to about

[2:29:43] Voice 6: that as the process goes forward

[2:29:44] Voice 17: you can direct their concerns to me and then i can check with

[2:29:47] Voice 17: our legal counsel but the decision that's being made is illegal yeah

[2:29:50] Voice 7: i get it

[2:29:51] Voice 17: it's a legal standard

[2:29:52] Voice 17: yeah right and it is you know i understand the committee's concerned about the trees that were

[2:29:57] Voice 17: We're caught in that.

[2:29:58] Voice 17: But Crown Council.

[2:30:00] Voice 17: is going to vary at a very narrow what is the legal grounds for which they're going to proceed

[2:30:04] Voice 17: and whether or not it's in the interest of the public as they see it and their own policy

[2:30:10] Voice 17: procedures that they'll have that they can proceed with this prosecution so

[2:30:14] Voice 6: i think my suggestion

[2:30:16] Voice 6: then and not to you but just to community members is so david boyd lives on the side he is the

[2:30:23] Voice 6: international expert on the rights of nature the conservancy should talk with david boyd if they

[2:30:28] Voice 6: have any concerns about that and like think about what they can do to proceed on that front because

[2:30:33] Voice 6: that's the only thing that is different from what warren has collected and the framing of it that i

[2:30:38] Voice 6: can see in all the stuff so that's that's something to think about and i'm happy to talk to anybody

[2:30:43] Voice 6: through

[2:30:43] Voice 17: the chair i will add that it's gone to what they're referring to as an environmental

[2:30:50] Voice 17: prosecutor and not to the regular so prosecutors specializing in environmental concerns yeah of

[2:30:56] Voice 17: whether or not this will proceed yeah

[2:30:58] Voice 6: because that bog down at the bottom at medicine beach is not to

[2:31:01] Voice 6: be minimized like it's a really important cultural and environmental character okay thank you okay

[2:31:09] Voice 18: uh next up we have 13.6 to turn on trust committee essay application approval for response

[2:31:21] Voice 18: And this is the new rules where a landowner can apply to exclude someone from the LR and

[2:31:30] Voice 18: the local government has to apply.

[2:31:34] Voice 18: So it is what it seems to be have brought community support.

[2:31:42] Voice 18: It's something the LTC is putting forward, they just want your feedback.

[2:31:47] Voice 18: back the

[2:31:50] Voice 3: normal

[2:31:54] Voice 7: response is your interest are unaffected i just

[2:31:59] Voice 8: wondered if there was a

[2:32:00] Voice 8: background as to why there has some has something

[2:32:04] Voice 8: happened on their island with

[2:32:08] Voice 8: the property owner is subdividing the parcel along the water and so i think his exclusion

[2:32:18] Voice 8: an exclusion is something to do with the future use of uh the portion the polygon where the

[2:32:29] Voice 8: exclusion is by moving that onto uh the lower parcel he owns both of those uh and will allow

[2:32:36] Voice 8: him to not have alr lamps on that upper portion it's an exclusion not us yeah so to clarify i mean

[2:32:51] Voice 8: the the the province requires local government to apply for exclusions for removals uh it allows the

[2:32:59] Voice 8: property owner to still apply for the inclusion portion so in this case it's a trade it's a trade

[2:33:06] Voice 8: of 12 hectares on one lot for 12 hectares on another lot but we are only dealing with the

[2:33:11] Voice 8: exclusion part because that is where if you are a property owner wanting to put land into the LR

[2:33:18] Voice 8: the ALC has less concern over that over whether then you're trying to remove it so that's where

[2:33:23] Voice 8: they put in the local government filter around the removal so

[2:33:26] Voice 6: does that mean that we could say

[2:33:29] Voice 6: there's we could say okay we don't see any problem with that and the landowner could say they don't

[2:33:34] Voice 6: want to do the inclusion part I

[2:33:36] Voice 8: think that the decisions are more or less concurrent but the

[2:33:41] Voice 8: the process has been separated but the decision is ultimately an inclusion exclusion

[2:33:48] Voice 8: like there's no such thing as just an exclusion yeah right you

[2:33:53] Voice 8: need to be a trade-off uh it's just

[2:33:56] Voice 8: they've separated the bureaucracy over the inclusion application and the exclusion application

[2:34:03] Voice 8: whereas in the past the property owner could apply for both the inclusion and the exclusion now

[2:34:09] Voice 8: they're only allowed to apply for the inclusion portion and the local government has to drive

[2:34:14] Voice 8: the exclusion part.

[2:34:15] Voice 18: And as I recall, the land they're trying to exclude is not good quality land

[2:34:22] Voice 18: and the land they're trying to... The land

[2:34:24] Voice 8: has poor capability is what the professional says.

[2:34:26] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:34:27] Voice 18: there's quite a lot of soils reported such done on it so it seemed very logical

[2:34:33] Voice 18: on the Saturnus perspective. So if there's nothing else that somebody want to move that

[2:34:42] Voice 18: our interests are not affected by the

[2:34:45] Voice 7: agricultural lands on Saturn.

[2:34:54] Voice 7: Actually there's

[2:34:55] Voice 7: there's an emotion normally

[2:34:56] Voice 18: I hate you guys for that.

[2:35:01] Voice 18: Oh yes we have to hate.

[2:35:12] Voice 8: so

[2:35:13] Voice 18: so the motion normally is is that the interests of north fender

[2:35:16] Voice 18: local trust committee are unaffected by blah blah blah okay

[2:35:22] Voice 6: so maybe just one last question

[2:35:24] Voice 3: so

[2:35:25] Voice 6: um you know we're not sitting in on this turn of meetings so the lr is one of the there is a

[2:35:33] Voice 6: you know everyone gets a little touchy around right and so um but are brad were you in on the

[2:35:39] Voice 6: meetings or what's wrong

[2:35:39] Voice 8: i'm leaving this file okay

[2:35:41] Voice 6: so you're you're convinced that it's a better

[2:35:45] Voice 6: thing to include the inclusion than uh like so the exclusion stuff is forest quality land and

[2:35:51] Voice 6: the inclusion the

[2:35:52] Voice 8: results of the professional report indicate that there's more agriculture

[2:35:56] Voice 8: capability on the piece being included than the piece being removed that is a fact okay

[2:36:04] Voice 6: because we don't see all the details so that yeah

[2:36:07] Voice 8: you do have the professional

[2:36:10] Voice 8: Yeah, the professional report is a little lost, of course, but it's

[2:36:19] Voice 6: not right after

[2:36:20] Voice 6: the application.

[2:36:21] Voice 6: If you

[2:36:22] Voice 8: go to current applications under on the website,

[2:36:26] Voice 8: which there is a link that's

[2:36:30] Voice 8: bylaw.

[2:36:30] Voice 8: Oh, I

[2:36:33] Voice 7: see it, though, we have

[2:36:34] Voice 8: the link under the professional reports, suddenly the professional

[2:36:42] Voice 7: and okay the uh okay i see i see yeah

[2:36:58] Voice 7: it's like so really slow all right so go ahead i

[2:37:05] Voice 8: think that i think

[2:37:07] Voice 8: from my professional opinion as a professional urologist there is at the very worst no net

[2:37:16] Voice 8: a net impact and likely a net benefit potentially to future agriculture potential by this purpose.

[2:37:22] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:37:24] Voice 8: Great.

[2:37:24] Voice 8: All right.

[2:37:26] Voice 8: I move that our interests are affected.

[2:37:29] Voice 8: Yep.

[2:37:30] Voice 8: Is that it?

[2:37:32] Voice 18: Um, by, um, Sutura S-A-A-R dash 2023 dot one.

[2:37:39] Voice 18: Pat, you got that?

[2:37:42] Voice 16: Yes, I do.

[2:37:43] Voice 16: Yes, I do.

[2:37:44] Voice 18: Perfect.

[2:37:45] Voice 18: Seconded by Trustee Morrison.

[2:37:47] Voice 18: call question on favor that carries thank you for

[2:37:50] Voice 7: the fulsome discussion ready

[2:37:55] Voice 18: um so moving forward

[2:37:57] Voice 18: we have committee projects here on sgpa update project so

[2:38:05] Voice 8: the last ltc meeting was just to me

[2:38:08] Voice 8: sort of looking at its priorities for the coming part of the term um the first priority that was

[2:38:16] Voice 8: identified enough stuff to come back with was updating the raptor nest mapping dpa and the

[2:38:24] Voice 8: solution indicated that should be a minor project and so while the report summarizes it and prepared

[2:38:34] Voice 8: a project charter that would meet the requirements and criteria for a minor project with the timeline

[2:38:43] Voice 8: line, supported by the planner, in this case, Brad, and the staff report highlights some

[2:38:55] Voice 8: of the risks associated with the project.

[2:39:00] Voice 8: I think it's feasible.

[2:39:01] Voice 8: I think they're minor, but they are there.

[2:39:03] Voice 8: You know, access to private property, there's change requirements with provincial regulations,

[2:39:09] Voice 8: should be an rp bio or bio involved um costs and maybe delays associated with that but the timeline

[2:39:18] Voice 8: seems feasible um and then the budget limitations of five thousand dollars a fiscal year for uh

[2:39:25] Voice 8: minor project and there would be that amount available this fiscal

[2:39:28] Voice 8: year and then potentially

[2:39:30] Voice 8: next fiscal year if it carries over uh i just

[2:39:34] Voice 18: just for clarification that the agenda package

[2:39:37] Voice 18: which notes as being a here and that's DPA so so it's just a typo it's supposed to be Raptor uh

[2:39:44] Voice 8: yes okay

[2:39:45] Voice 18: yes similar staff report yeah okay

[2:39:48] Voice 3: prestige all

[2:39:51] Voice 6: right would this would the budgeting

[2:39:54] Voice 6: in this account for some of the community-based mapping work as well or it was only yes so the

[2:40:00] Voice 8: more the more mapping we can acquire the better um there was that requirement though that there

[2:40:07] Voice 8: be an rp bio involved now um at some level and so in the staff report there's some options

[2:40:14] Voice 8: associated with it and

[2:40:16] Voice 6: i know that um both community member and rp bio have been involved

[2:40:20] Voice 6: here on this

[2:40:21] Voice 6: island and doing that already so but we would be able to provide some funding to that

[2:40:26] Voice 6: if that means the requirements are yeah

[2:40:28] Voice 8: that's why i think that's why i make a project it's got

[2:40:30] Voice 8: a budget

[2:40:30] Voice 6: yep perfect thanks i just wanted to make sure that's where we were going with all that

[2:40:35] Voice 6: so um yeah it'd be great to have data given our issues so okay um so the recommendation

[2:40:42] Voice 8: is to endorse the project charter and come back in september with the project starting

[2:40:49] Voice 4: uh i'm just trying to find it there

[2:40:53] Voice 4: that

[2:40:54] Voice 8: the north canada island local trust committee endorsed the attack project charter

[2:40:57] Voice 8: for the raptor nest dpa review project secondary discussion oh

[2:41:03] Voice 14: i'm glad that we're doing this

[2:41:05] Voice 18: Okay, call the question, all in favor?

[2:41:07] Voice 18: That carries.

[2:41:09] Voice 18: All right, next up, we have 14.2,

[2:41:12] Voice 18: which is Housing Access and Affordability Project,

[2:41:15] Voice 18: and

[2:41:16] Voice 7: we sort of tag Plumtree onto that one.

[2:41:18] Voice 7: Would you like me to summarize the report?

[2:41:27] Voice 7: Absolutely. Thank you.

[2:41:29] Voice 8: So this is the second top priority

[2:41:32] Voice 8: that the LTC identified at the last meeting

[2:41:34] Voice 8: and asked us to report back on.

[2:41:35] Voice 8: In this case, you asked to make this a major project,

[2:41:38] Voice 8: which actually is through the council committees

[2:41:40] Voice 8: and trust council and with a larger budget so it needs a business case the drop business case is

[2:41:46] Voice 8: attached and timeline drop timeline is very well at this point still relatively broad in terms of

[2:42:00] Voice 8: the timeline what we've been seeking later this year or early next year is the LTC to take the

[2:42:09] Voice 8: time to scope the project in more detail at that point and flesh that out but at this point what

[2:42:15] Voice 8: we need to proceed is the business case endorsement of the business case so we can take that to the

[2:42:20] Voice 8: committee trust council committees and trust council ultimately

[2:42:23] Voice 7: to get the funding justine

[2:42:33] Voice 7: so with them you ask your questions um

[2:42:38] Voice 6: so so one of my questions is i know it's something

[2:42:41] Voice 6: that's going through trust council right now and just understanding how our business cases are made

[2:42:46] Voice 6: because um i'm just i was looking through here trying to understand what is the staff allocation

[2:42:54] Voice 6: of time because like the ten thousand dollar request does what like as as one part of the

[2:42:59] Voice 6: question that's not staff that's other things like yeah holding meetings doing that kind of stuff

[2:43:05] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:43:06] Voice 8: First Nations engagement, which is hard to quantify.

[2:43:09] Voice 8: So we always put at least enough amount in there that if First Nations indicate they want to be involved, then we would be able to support them with some funding.

[2:43:21] Voice 8: Also, another one is legal costs, potentially.

[2:43:26] In this

[2:43:27] Voice 8: case, wouldn't anticipate a lot of that, but it's possible.

[2:43:33] Voice 6: so but i guess my question is like how do we know how much staff time this is taking because i know

[2:43:38] Voice 6: when i get to trust council i get super super picky about business cases and when they don't

[2:43:44] Voice 6: have like staff allocation sort of understandings next to it so that i can understand how to wave

[2:43:49] Voice 6: one egg next to another egg so

[2:43:51] Voice 8: uh it's hard to put a number on staff time and at least until

[2:43:56] Voice 8: the project is scoped more in detail by the local trust committee until you give some direction on

[2:44:02] Voice 8: so how much community consultation do you want in this project or do you want to just go straight

[2:44:08] Voice 8: to the options that are laid out in the new housing toolkit was at the meeting yesterday

[2:44:16] Voice 8: so all you know the range of options there so some local trust committees like denman

[2:44:22] Voice 8: earlier in the week was like we've done tons of consultation uh let's just go straight to bylaw

[2:44:29] Voice 8: other local trust communities want to engage the community so it's hard to estimate what the time

[2:44:35] Voice 3: is the

[2:44:35] Voice 8: given uh quantified amount of staff time however there's a major project that's going to

[2:44:44] Voice 8: be supported by the regional planning team the street planners assigned to that team they each

[2:44:48] Voice 8: typically have about three projects in any given time uh so it would probably be about you know

[2:44:55] Voice 8: taking out admin time and so on it would probably about 25 percent of a partner's time and that

[2:45:01] Voice 8: would fluctuate you

[2:45:02] Voice 7: know over the course of the project okay

[2:45:05] Voice 6: um and do you know yet um i know

[2:45:10] Voice 6: there was some discussion last meeting do you know yet if other islands are opting into housing

[2:45:14] Voice 6: housing projects like in terms of efficiency. So

[2:45:16] Voice 8: Denman has a housing project, Maine has an ongoing

[2:45:19] Voice 8: housing project, Gabriel has OCP review which is a huge multi-year, going to be a larger multi-year

[2:45:26] Voice 8: project. Housing is a key element of that. It's one of their priority areas already and they're

[2:45:31] Voice 8: just starting their community visioning process which is going to take the rest of this year.

[2:45:38] Voice 8: Those are the ones that have active housing projects. So with the regional planning team,

[2:45:44] Voice 8: one player, Narissa Chadwick, is doing Denman's project, doing Maine's project. She's also doing

[2:45:50] Voice 8: Gabriola's. So ideally, she would have some availability when this project starts next

[2:45:57] Voice 8: fiscal year, assuming one of those projects is finishing or finished.

[2:46:03] Voice 6: Okay. I think one of the

[2:46:05] Voice 6: things that I would like to see, I don't know if you're seeing it the same way or not, but

[2:46:10] Voice 6: one of the things I would like to see between like now and we're now next June is some conversations

[2:46:18] Voice 6: about like the toolkit and options not in a like here's a bunch of bylaws way but here's a bunch of

[2:46:25] Voice 6: options that are being considered by other islands what do you think about these things what works

[2:46:29] Voice 6: for us what's our problem here like even a clear problem definition that would be like the first

[2:46:34] Voice 6: things I want to see and like how can we help to get that kind of information collected and moving

[2:46:40] Voice 6: moving into the in the trust so like we could potentially use it as trustees here to help get

[2:46:46] Voice 6: that information um in a way that can help be kind of synthesized I think

[2:46:52] Voice 8: there's a lot of

[2:46:53] Voice 8: discussion about that kind of stuff yesterday but where um I

[2:46:58] Voice 6: made some meeting yesterday

[2:46:59] Voice 8: so they broke out the toolkit and we sort of started the discussion and and sort of what

[2:47:08] Voice 8: will be brought forward uh to trust council what will be when it's introduced how how to engage

[2:47:16] Voice 8: what that engagement looks like on our

[2:47:19] Voice 8: level and on community levels there's a i thought we were

[2:47:23] Voice 8: going to be done in about an hour and a half and it ended up being about seven minutes

[2:47:28] Voice 8: there's twice at this point right now and i just

[2:47:32] Voice 8: like um luckily i've very been sitting in the

[2:47:36] Voice 8: the line. So there's the draft toolkit is in yesterday's package of the planning committee

[2:47:44] Voice 8: and that would form the basis of the initial project discussion, scoping of the project and

[2:47:55] Voice 8: just that defining of the issue. Okay. All the draft information available there that's been

[2:48:05] Voice 8: done elsewhere both in other local trust committees

[2:48:07] Voice 8: you know parts of the province just sort of a

[2:48:10] Voice 8: pretty comprehensive approach to what are the options that you can look at and then also to

[2:48:18] Voice 8: understand like the defining on the local level as to what do we here need you know you know what

[2:48:27] Voice 8: what may work on Gabriel won't work for Mender.

[2:48:31] Voice 8: And so how to

[2:48:32] Voice 3: take

[2:48:34] Voice 8: everything that's available

[2:48:35] Voice 8: and make an appendix.

[2:48:37] Voice 8: It was pointed out quite a few times

[2:48:40] Voice 8: that we have a leg up on the rest of the island

[2:48:44] Voice 8: because Robert's the one that's doing a lot

[2:48:47] Voice 8: of the information based out of his knowledge

[2:48:50] Voice 8: here on the appendix.

[2:48:51] Voice 10: This is a

[2:48:52] Voice 8: mapping, some mapping initiatives,

[2:48:54] Voice 8: sort of

[2:48:54] Voice 8: part of it to create a methodology

[2:48:56] Voice 8: technology for land use suitability and build out so build out mapping in particular has been done

[2:49:03] Voice 8: on an ad hoc basis we want to create a method to do it it's consistent and replicable and also

[2:49:10] Voice 8: there was a land suitability land use suitability analysis that was done like 50 years ago that i

[2:49:15] Voice 8: was involved in and so we're doing a mapping is doing using enders kind of a trial for that

[2:49:23] Voice 8: so we can compare it to what was done before.

[2:49:26] Voice 8: It's more sophisticated now, of course,

[2:49:29] Voice 8: but the results should be generally consistent.

[2:49:34] Voice 6: And I guess that makes me think,

[2:49:36] Voice 6: like when you say land suitability,

[2:49:38] Voice 6: are we talking for multifamily residential?

[2:49:40] Voice 6: The

[2:49:40] Voice 8: development generally.

[2:49:43] Voice 8: Residential development generally.

[2:49:44] Voice 8: And it's areas that tend to be more suitable

[2:49:47] Voice 8: and tend to be less suitable.

[2:49:49] Voice 8: So, and then there's the variables,

[2:49:51] Voice 8: like steep, slow, sensitive ecosystems and there's the ability to wait.

[2:49:59] Voice 8: Okay, that's really helpful. So, yeah, that was very much the part about like what, what, what type of affordable housing works for us, right, as opposed to, you know,

[2:50:15] Voice 6: yeah because i just want to make sure as we're getting into this discussion that we're not like

[2:50:19] Voice 6: going five steps ahead to say we're going to build a family housing x you know that's not

[2:50:23] Voice 6: that has been tried in different ways here like with different organizations trying to think

[2:50:28] Voice 6: about that and it's just not get any

[2:50:30] Voice 6: kind of scene so okay all right that's really helpful

[2:50:35] Voice 6: so you need us just to think about this charter and see if there's any changes are there don't

[2:50:40] Voice 8: endorse the business business so that we can

[2:50:43] Voice 6: get it in the process

[2:50:44] Voice 8: funding and allocations

[2:50:47] Voice 8: so

[2:50:48] Voice 6: this

[2:50:50] Voice 8: is the declaration of our major project yeah

[2:50:53] Voice 6: no that's okay i don't

[2:50:55] Voice 8: mind all that because

[2:50:56] Voice 6: because my understanding is that as we engage in this major project we are engaging in housing

[2:51:01] Voice 6: in consideration of the landscape and the environment in which it's such like so we're

[2:51:06] Voice 6: we're really thinking holistically about the water the forestry issues that we're having here and how

[2:51:11] Voice 6: to like try to understand how we're working our community into the landscape as opposed to just

[2:51:17] Voice 6: shaving it and putting a house on it yeah okay so that's my goal is that we start thinking away um

[2:51:24] Voice 6: okay so

[2:51:25] Voice 8: i have no problem sorry are

[2:51:27] Voice 8: you uh good with the the name of the project

[2:51:30] Voice 8: act that i've been named i think that came from the last meeting and

[2:51:35] Voice 6: also i just the i really

[2:51:38] Voice 6: appreciate you saying sort of the rough staff allocation i know that joel bernardo is going to

[2:51:43] Voice 6: be on that if anyone wants to see a staff allocations like put in there i would love it

[2:51:48] Voice 6: if we could i

[2:51:49] Voice 8: thought it might be in there if not it's in the staff report i remember

[2:51:53] Voice 8: here somewhere i

[2:51:54] Voice 6: would love it to be in the business case because that's what moves from us

[2:51:58] Voice 6: to trust council

[2:52:00] Voice 7: stuff resourcing yeah yeah

[2:52:12] Voice 8: 25 fd estimated that's on page 244

[2:52:20] Voice 7: oh here again

[2:52:21] Voice 6: okay perfect so 0.25 okay yep that's great because that's the kind of stuff

[2:52:29] Voice 6: we're gonna you know i just know how it's gonna go okay so that's great um

[2:52:36] Voice 6: sorry, what was the other point that you just raised?

[2:52:38] Voice 8: The name of the project.

[2:52:40] Voice 8: Does it

[2:52:42] Voice 8: just define it? Once we start

[2:52:44] Voice 8: putting it in things,

[2:52:46] Voice 8: we want to be consistent and not

[2:52:48] Voice 8: going back and changing the name.

[2:52:50] Voice 8: So the name is Housing Access

[2:52:52] Voice 8: and Affordability. What I have noted

[2:52:54] Voice 8: is that affordable housing, it becomes

[2:52:56] Voice 8: a more loaded word than talking

[2:52:58] Voice 7: about

[2:52:58] Voice 8: housing access and affordability.

[2:53:00] Voice 8: So that's why I framed it that way.

[2:53:03] Voice 8: As opposed to affordable housing,

[2:53:05] Voice 8: housing kind of gets pigeonholed into a particular type of housing.

[2:53:11] Voice 8: Yeah, I haven't been using affordable housing for any low-income housing, but I don't think it's super important.

[2:53:23] Voice 8: Housing Affordability is probably a more neutral term because everyone thinks about housing affordability versus affordable housing is more applied to low-income housing.

[2:53:35] Voice 6: so housing access and affordability i think is okay um because it's also not we're not just

[2:53:41] Voice 6: talking about low-income houses we're talking about agent phase we're talking about community

[2:53:44] Voice 8: that's what this brought

[2:53:46] Voice 8: into that also yeah yeah okay i think in salt spring when the discussion

[2:53:52] Voice 8: was around it being called one trustee was pushing for what he called worse workforce

[2:53:58] Voice 8: For workforce housing or something

[2:54:00] Voice 8: that defines that finds it as a specific demographic of housing for and I don't I

[2:54:06] Voice 6: think our conversation is probably a bit different, I just want to name that our acronym is going to be.

[2:54:13] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:54:17] Voice 6: We

[2:54:17] Voice 4: can make it.

[2:54:18] Voice 6: Okay, so I think that's fine.

[2:54:24] Voice 6: I know.

[2:54:24] Voice 6: know. All right.

[2:54:30] Voice 4: I think

[2:54:31] Voice 7: you think it is

[2:54:32] Voice 6: not funny or should we ask for more

[2:54:33] Voice 6: and then they can cut it?

[2:54:36] Voice 5: Yeah. Because just

[2:54:40] Voice 6: for your I know you

[2:54:41] Voice 6: said all the scoping things. One of the things I would like to

[2:54:44] Voice 6: see in the next year is a fair amount of community

[2:54:46] Voice 6: conversations toolkit with the pieces just to get people

[2:54:49] Voice 6: familiar with what it is before we start getting into

[2:54:51] Voice 6: by conversation so yeah yeah

[2:54:53] Voice 8: i think it's sufficient for that and i think it's a on the

[2:54:57] Voice 8: low end of the typical major project ask i mean look at what salt spring asked for last year

[2:55:01] Voice 8: i

[2:55:02] Voice 6: think we should

[2:55:08] Voice 6: i think you should actually ask everyone because i'm a little bit worried that

[2:55:11] Voice 6: that well two things and i know this is probably not something to say in a public meeting but i

[2:55:15] Voice 6: like so one is that i worry that you're a little bit on the low end of the reality and the second

[2:55:21] Voice 6: is i worry that we're a little bit on the low end for the slash effect that happens with budgets at

[2:55:25] Voice 6: the last minute so i think we need to be a little strategic sometimes be willing to take him and so

[2:55:35] Voice 6: i think we should have it at 15.

[2:55:38] Voice 5: 15 okay and

[2:55:39] Voice 6: like if we don't use it great somebody goes back into

[2:55:42] Voice 6: to like the

[2:55:44] Voice 3: community

[2:55:47] Voice 6: meetings like we added that comes from somewhere

[2:55:50] Voice 7: I'd

[2:55:53] Voice 6: rather have more

[2:55:53] Voice 6: ability to have community meetings if we get money so

[2:55:56] Voice 8: okay and that should be focused more

[2:55:58] Voice 8: on community consultation costs and

[2:56:01] Voice 6: maybe it's educational materials or like consultation costs

[2:56:04] Voice 6: or whatever okay it's

[2:56:08] Voice 8: through the chair so process wise as I understand it Robert will

[2:56:12] Voice 8: submit the business case to executive trust council and executive committees they will review

[2:56:17] Voice 8: it if they approve it then one of the regional planners will be assigned uh that work and so

[2:56:23] Voice 8: the low the work largely won't be delivered by me i'll be supporting that planner of course but

[2:56:27] Voice 8: it would be there so or on one of the other planners so just just for clarity so it goes to

[2:56:33] Voice 8: regional plans so they look at all the projects through the lens of consistency with strategic

[2:56:44] Voice 8: there's more projects being proposed and can be supported in a given year recommendations on that

[2:56:53] Voice 8: then to financial planning committee then to trust council and executive committees in there as well

[2:56:59] Voice 8: but this trust council will make the decision in december that's when the draft budget is final

[2:57:06] Voice 7: final decision

[2:57:07] Voice 7: will be technically all right so i think we can go ahead and

[2:57:17] Voice 8: and there's no reason to have the voluntary court discussion prior to passing this

[2:57:22] Voice 8: no

[2:57:25] Voice 7: i don't think so because we're

[2:57:26] Voice 6: going to scope this case yeah

[2:57:29] Voice 7: okay so we're

[2:57:32] Voice 6: this one here

[2:57:36] Voice 6: okay so i feel like it's do i need to say the word 15 000 i think you

[2:57:40] Voice 8: should put it in there

[2:57:41] Voice 8: okay that

[2:57:42] Voice 6: the north bender island local trust committee endorsed the attached business case

[2:57:48] Voice 6: modified to be 15 000 sure for the housing access and affordability project and that

[2:57:55] Voice 6: staff forward the business case to the relevant committees and to trust council

[2:57:59] Voice 6: pat did you get the edit i did for the one in the middle yes

[2:58:04] Voice 16: that you're you're modifying it

[2:58:05] Voice 16: to 15 000. thank

[2:58:07] Voice 7: you thank

[2:58:08] Voice 18: you second discussion call question all in favor carried all

[2:58:14] Voice 6: right so

[2:58:15] Voice 6: then i had a before we get to the country court conversation the last thing related to what you

[2:58:20] Voice 6: just said was um uh so because of the timeline we're not going to see that money hit the table

[2:58:27] Voice 6: if it does until march april kind of thing so between now and march i would love it if we could

[2:58:35] Voice 6: move forward on um like we have a meeting in october i don't know if we have an agenda for

[2:58:43] Voice 6: that meeting yet um or we

[2:58:45] Voice 8: were just talking earlier about using it for what no that not

[2:58:52] Voice 6: that we're going to

[2:58:53] Voice 6: use our regular meeting for conversations with realtors and we're going to

[2:58:56] Voice 6: have a part of that meeting as the villagers other

[2:59:00] Voice 4: folks in so

[2:59:02] Voice 8: to clarify your meetings coming up

[2:59:03] Voice 8: your meeting on friday september 29th which would just be a regular meeting

[2:59:09] Voice 8: uh island health will be there as one of your agenda uh items and i was wondering where i should

[2:59:14] Voice 8: put that should it be a cim

[2:59:16] Voice 3: maybe yeah so

[2:59:17] Voice 8: i'll make that a cim at the beginning of the meeting

[2:59:21] Voice 8: uh and then you have a saturday meeting on october 28th that you do not have a time and then you're

[2:59:28] Voice 8: were talking about your standalone meeting is how I understood it to be with your around

[2:59:34] Voice 8: landowner communications and you were doing that community separate from trust business

[2:59:40] Voice 8: so

[2:59:41] Voice 4: October

[2:59:42] Voice 8: 28th so 20 and 29th will just be a regular agenda with Island Health and whatever

[2:59:47] Voice 8: these two applications likely will be back on October 28th you might want to start thinking

[2:59:53] Voice 8: to what it's about pretty quick because we don't meet again until September.

[3:00:00] Voice 8: uh if you want a pender post yeah advertising i wonder if that would be the time to start a

[3:00:08] Voice 8: housing discussion i think with the community so that um you know after the winter spring

[3:00:15] Voice 8: rolls around and the business case comes up then we start rolling out and yeah

[3:00:23] Voice 8: Yeah, that'll help us help start for me is about the scope without if we framed

[3:00:33] Voice 7: what

[3:00:36] Voice 8: were the ask is from the community.

[3:00:39] Voice 6: Yeah, I think

[3:00:40] Voice 6: there's a two way thing there for the meeting.

[3:00:42] Voice 6: i actually think it would be helpful given it's after the september meeting um to put whatever

[3:00:48] Voice 6: the draft toolkit is like some pieces of it or whatever we think might be useful to share just

[3:00:54] Voice 6: to let people know it's there right and i don't know if it's will be shared publicly or whatever

[3:01:00] Voice 6: but this draft toolkit that resource regional planning is working on i think it would be good

[3:01:05] Voice 6: to get that into community conversation some way right so that's one aspect i don't particularly

[3:01:10] Voice 6: want to present on it i don't want a bunch of sit and get but like just to know that it's there

[3:01:14] Voice 6: that would be one aspect would be helpful and then just to ask community like what are what are

[3:01:21] Voice 6: how are we understanding what our needs are as a community is

[3:01:25] Voice 8: that something that we could request

[3:01:28] Voice 8: that someone like yarissa comes to potentially

[3:01:33] Voice 7: community information meaning like that's

[3:01:35] Voice 7: that'd

[3:01:35] Voice 8: be great she's about background and all of these other community projects that are going on

[3:01:41] Voice 8: right now plus has also done a fair amount of work on the toolkit yeah

[3:01:45] Voice 6: yeah that'd be great

[3:01:46] Voice 6: yeah

[3:01:47] Voice 8: potentially if she's available yeah she could come and sort of talk about how it's going on

[3:01:51] Voice 8: denman yeah

[3:01:51] Voice 6: that'd be helpful yeah and the shares from what other countries um i also have to admit

[3:01:59] Voice 6: admit that I'm supposed to be in Kansas on October 29th now because that's my um so I don't know

[3:02:08] Voice 6: what to do about that like it's the I'm traveling from the 21st to the 29th so it's the national

[3:02:16] Voice 6: science teachers meeting landed on that which is uh I could potentially fly out late that night and

[3:02:23] Voice 6: go that that weekend yeah i couldn't do that is the 21st an option for people

[3:02:33] Voice 7: yeah i could do

[3:02:35] Voice 6: that i'm just i haven't made any tickets because i really think it's complex

[3:02:41] Voice 3: just

[3:02:42] Voice 6: so you know there's been like conflicts on every trust council this year and i'm

[3:02:46] Voice 6: i'm opting for the september trust council instead of the meeting with

[3:02:49] Voice 6: the pvpa in the u.s

[3:02:51] Voice 7: So do we need a motion to see about that meeting change?

[3:03:01] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay, I mean the North Pender Local

[3:03:09] Voice 6: Trust Committee changed the special meeting on October 29, 2,023.

[3:03:19] Voice 6: October 28th, 2023 to October 21st, 2020.

[3:03:29] Voice 7: Okay, any discussion, call the question. All in favor, carries.

[3:03:36] Voice 4: No,

[3:03:37] Voice 7: I don't need any questions. I'm just laughing because my schedule is a mess.

[3:03:40] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:03:41] Voice 7: All right, so Plumtree, what did you want to discuss about that?

[3:03:50] Voice 7: those who i

[3:03:52] Voice 8: have an opportunity to go meet with boards from people and uh look at

[3:04:01] Voice 8: sort of what they have in the wings and what the hold-ups are for them to move forward

[3:04:09] Voice 8: and

[3:04:10] Voice 7: i think that it's a very viable possible to pull off

[3:04:20] Voice 8: project if we can

[3:04:21] Voice 8: can figure out a way to change what they what we I guess it's in our definition of community

[3:04:31] Voice 8: housing I think that's just in somewhere in the zoning where there's no bylaws yeah it's

[3:04:38] Voice 8: limited to duplexes and limited to age I think at this point and it's uh

[3:04:45] Voice 3: it's community service

[3:04:58] Voice 4: in the in the ocp it says it's in this council

[3:05:04] Voice 4: just because we amended the name of the society we removed seniors we want to be all-inclusive

[3:05:11] Voice 4: we see how we want to be

[3:05:12] Voice 3: honest with you so it's different it says we're seeing

[3:05:16] Voice 3: But in Landy's by-law, it says two family dwelling, which suggests to us it's duplex only.

[3:05:23] Voice 3: And in the same formal that held, we weren't confined to duplex,

[3:05:30] Voice 5: having to build a different separate set of utilities and paths that had to be made for every duplex.

[3:05:38] Voice 4: There is no definition in the bylaws of multi-family, so

[3:05:46] Voice 4: if you could

[3:05:46] Voice 5: change that term, two family, to multi-family, it

[3:05:51] Voice 4: wouldn't change our density, our density is still there, it would be exactly the same, it would just give us a little bit more flexibility in the type of multi-family housing.

[3:06:01] Voice 4: such as maybe a row a row house and six parts row house instead

[3:06:09] Voice 5: of three duplex yeah that's

[3:06:12] Voice 5: so we

[3:06:15] Voice 8: met with um representatives a couple years ago i think brought us up and we're like

[3:06:22] Voice 8: yeah we'll stop and support this no problem but they were um dealing with

[3:06:26] Voice 8: groundwater issues at

[3:06:27] Voice 8: the time which i understand they've now resolved so the best way um to move this forward for plum

[3:06:33] Voice 8: tree court is for them to make a rezoning application and then apply to executive

[3:06:38] Voice 8: committee for the refund of the fee and then we can just move it forward as an application

[3:06:50] Voice 7: either way the

[3:06:52] Voice 7: bylaws yeah the

[3:06:54] Voice 6: bylaws still have to be amended so um so my question related to all

[3:06:59] Voice 6: of the emails that have been flying around is can we um like do they have to pay in it up front and

[3:07:07] Voice 6: then we that's the way it's different every

[3:07:10] Voice 7: time every time

[3:07:12] Voice 6: this time for your terms sometimes

[3:07:15] Voice 4: yes he's just out of the blue suggested amendments there was no application yeah so

[3:07:24] Voice 4: So

[3:07:24] Voice 8: those that would be a project, so they just decided their projects are going to be.

[3:07:32] Voice 8: So there are amendments like updates done from time to time to bylaws, like minor technical amendments.

[3:07:39] Voice 8: They're usually batched together and they just adopted a new bylaw.

[3:07:44] Voice 8: So it won't be probably for like a year at least until they start to look at minor amendments.

[3:07:49] Voice 8: minutes. The other way is to do it as a single standalone project, but that would defer some

[3:07:56] Voice 8: other work. Either way, it's the same process. It's a bylaw amendment. Whether the society pays

[3:08:06] Voice 8: the fee and then gets funded or the LTC initiates it, it's still the same process. It's not going

[3:08:14] Voice 8: to save time by having LTC. In fact, we'd probably delay it. So

[3:08:19] Voice 6: if it's a rezoning application,

[3:08:20] Voice 6: that's the fastest route to getting this change

[3:08:22] Voice 6: is what I'm hearing today.

[3:08:23] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:08:25] Voice 6: So, and can we, like as a rezoning application,

[3:08:30] Voice 6: is there a whole, because it's just those words

[3:08:33] Voice 6: that are the rezoning part of the application,

[3:08:34] Voice 6: is it, like they're not asking for density differences,

[3:08:37] Voice 6: they're not asking for any of those other pieces,

[3:08:39] Voice 6: does it mean that they have to do a bunch of other reports?

[3:08:42] Voice 6: Because often rezoning triggers a bunch of other reports.

[3:08:44] Voice 8: So that's up to the LTC to decide.

[3:08:47] Voice 8: That would be part of the initial preliminary review,

[3:08:50] Voice 8: of the application

[3:08:52] Voice 8: would be for us to recommend

[3:08:54] Voice 8: if there's any reports required.

[3:08:56] Voice 8: That would depend on things like

[3:08:58] Voice 8: what is the sensitive ecosystem mapping

[3:09:00] Voice 8: saying. Groundwater

[3:09:02] Voice 8: just sort of the preliminary

[3:09:04] Voice 8: kind of thought. Groundwater would be

[3:09:06] Voice 8: the issue there because it's a known issue

[3:09:08] Voice 8: but if they've dealt with it

[3:09:10] Voice 8: and they have a report to address

[3:09:12] Voice 8: groundwater, then

[3:09:13] Voice 8: that won't be

[3:09:14] Voice 8: a concern.

[3:09:15] Voice 8: When we were talking with the consultants

[3:09:17] Voice 8: a couple years ago now, it seems like

[3:09:19] Voice 8: Like, you know, they were clustering, they were proposing to cluster it in the same area where the existing houses are.

[3:09:25] Voice 8: So, you know, modified ground access isn't an issue.

[3:09:30] Voice 8: Geotechnical probably wouldn't be a concern.

[3:09:32] Voice 8: So, but that would be for the LTC to decide.

[3:09:36] Voice 6: So basically what I'm hearing is if we do the preliminary paperwork on the rezoning application, get it in as soon as possible, then we can have a look at that.

[3:09:46] Voice 6: And there shouldn't, given all the information you already have, there shouldn't be any.

[3:09:49] Voice 6: additional because that's my biggest concern about resuming applications like this report

[3:09:54] Voice 6: and we want to make sure that everything's dealt with how it should be but also like

[3:09:58] Voice 6: so i

[3:10:06] Voice 8: would say that based on the very minor amendment to remove that two family clause

[3:10:13] Voice 8: uh i don't see in the ocp why you would where you would need an ocp amendment it does

[3:10:18] Voice 8: can speak to the community service policies there's nothing in seniors housing there there

[3:10:22] Voice 8: are advocacy policies which speak to seniors housing but only if you're seeking to increase

[3:10:27] Voice 8: density so in this case there's no increase in density so i think you would

[3:10:31] Voice 8: only be limited to

[3:10:32] Voice 8: a minor land use bylaw amendment that would either you could remove that language altogether where

[3:10:37] Voice 8: those two families or you could uh

[3:10:45] Voice 8: or you could say that as well multi-family dwellings managed by a non-profit society

[3:10:49] Voice 8: or you could just have dwellings managed by

[3:10:53] Voice 5: all

[3:10:54] Voice 8: sorts of options okay

[3:10:56] Voice 6: so so then i still need to understand the mechanism is the mechanism that

[3:11:03] Voice 6: we ask them to do rezoning or is the mechanism the

[3:11:05] Voice 8: best mechanism would be for them to submit

[3:11:08] Voice 8: a rezoning application to pay that fee and then for them to submit a refund application

[3:11:17] Voice 8: to executive committee uh in my experience on galliano the executive committee uh endorsed

[3:11:23] Voice 8: both the refund applications for affordable housing uh on that so i mean there's no

[3:11:28] Voice 8: guarantee but my assumption would be that that fee would be something that they would be looking

[3:11:34] Voice 8: Okay, awesome. And then the other option would be like Robert says to create it as a minor project where you already have a minor project. And so you're better off just expediting it through.

[3:11:48] Voice 6: Yeah. And then you can work with the applicants on applications like that. So if you just

[3:11:54] Voice 6: If you

[3:11:57] Voice 8: have questions before you submit your application or if you want to submit your application, we can work, start from there.

[3:12:02] Voice 8: but once your occupation's in we can then start to bring a preliminary report for it and i see

[3:12:08] Voice 8: it as a very simple all right perfect

[3:12:10] Voice 8: thank you okay we have a report all

[3:12:13] Voice 18: right so now we will

[3:12:16] Voice 18: go on to the program report um so we have active future projects i

[3:12:22] Voice 8: have nothing to speak nothing

[3:12:24] Voice 18: any trustees any questions okay um applications report um that's page 248

[3:12:30] Voice 18: 8. Anything there

[3:12:33] Voice 7: anybody wants to raise?

[3:12:45] Voice 7: Do we get a report from the

[3:12:47] Voice 6: Board of Variants?

[3:12:50] Voice 6: On what the like outcomes of the Board of Variants are like

[3:12:54] Voice 6: the will they appear on this application reporting actually?

[3:12:59] Voice 8: So the LCC should get a copy of the decision. Okay. They did not

[3:13:04] Voice 8: make a decision yesterday on the first one they defer.

[3:13:08] Voice 5: Okay, ask

[3:13:09] Voice 8: for more or more.

[3:13:11] Voice 8: information plans from now correct yeah they did make a decision a couple weeks ago and this that

[3:13:16] Voice 8: was my first board of variants so um maybe i should be doing something extra yeah maybe just

[3:13:23] Voice 6: check to receive

[3:13:23] Voice 8: the ltc gets copied on the decision letter and

[3:13:27] Voice 6: does that decision letter

[3:13:29] Voice 6: of the board of variants feel similar in the world that the public can see it uh

[3:13:33] Voice 8: yes it's it's it is

[3:13:36] Voice 8: is the they don't issue permits so that is the record of the decision so it is kept on file it's

[3:13:43] Voice 8: but

[3:13:44] Voice 6: it's not put on our website somewhere like it's because there has been a few things that

[3:13:48] Voice 6: north bender like the one over on morrisby they got buried and there was the house the blue house

[3:13:54] Voice 6: that got buried that community members are asking us about and we just want to make sure that we're

[3:13:58] Voice 6: really clear on why why the decision someone's

[3:14:01] Voice 8: interested they can just contact us okay it's

[3:14:03] Voice 8: public information.

[3:14:04] Voice 8: Yeah,

[3:14:04] Voice 6: but do they have to do an FOI request for it?

[3:14:06] Voice 6: No.

[3:14:06] Voice 6: OK.

[3:14:07] Voice 7: OK.

[3:14:08] Voice 7: OK.

[3:14:08] Voice 7: OK.

[3:14:08] Voice 6: That's good.

[3:14:13] Voice 7: So nothing else on active futures, application report,

[3:14:20] Voice 7: nothing there

[3:14:20] Voice 18: in particular, trustee local,

[3:14:24] Voice 18: expense report, that's just for your information?

[3:14:29] Voice 6: Yeah, I had a question about this too.

[3:14:31] Voice 6: I emailed back and forth with the finance department

[3:14:34] Voice 6: about this.

[3:14:35] Voice 6: maybe this is for trust council i don't know but basically it's really complicated to like there's

[3:14:42] Voice 6: you have to sign and capture sign and i'm just like what

[3:14:44] Voice 4: so

[3:14:46] Voice 6: maybe i'll just bring that forward

[3:14:47] Voice 6: in trust council it's like a system that's not working very well so i just never submit my truth

[3:14:51] Voice 6: is why we're out and

[3:14:55] Voice 7: under because it's just oh yes

[3:15:00] Voice 18: um dr boston standing resolution for

[3:15:04] Voice 18: information local press committee web page we're familiar with and there is no island's trust

[3:15:11] Voice 18: service

[3:15:11] Voice 7: report all

[3:15:14] Voice 6: right the trustee web page brad did you get the email or did i i can't remember

[3:15:23] Voice 6: it's been a little bit of a blur for the last few weeks but somebody had asked me if your email was

[3:15:28] Voice 6: on the trustee web page or on the north pender island web page and i don't think it was

[3:15:37] Voice 8: well a few years ago there was a policy decision to remove those okay when i first started my

[3:15:45] Voice 8: our emails were on there and we were constantly bombarded with like every kind of questioning

[3:15:50] Voice 8: under the sun crd building inspect and like as the face of every local urban planner yeah so

[3:15:57] Voice 8: from my perspective it's challenging to have that information so publicly readily available

[3:16:04] Voice 8: because we just get inundated with stuff that isn't ours okay

[3:16:07] Voice 6: is our south island yeah so

[3:16:09] Voice 8: so and actually there's emails that are like north banger planner emails and they go to

[3:16:15] Voice 8: brand okay and so i have access to the inboxes just to turn it in and we're sorry monitor those

[3:16:20] Voice 8: regularly some of the some of the uh uh inquiries come directly through that uh others come through

[3:16:27] Voice 8: the soap info where uh admin staff then receive them and and uh disseminate them to the planet so

[3:16:34] Voice 8: we get them all and i would say my response time is within a couple days

[3:16:40] Voice 8: yeah

[3:16:40] Voice 6: once people get you there's no problem but i have been sometimes directing people directly to

[3:16:44] Voice 6: you because they're they're going to the south island and they're not necessarily totally fine

[3:16:48] Voice 8: if they come to you because at least then they're looking for islands just business right versus me

[3:16:53] Voice 8: being the filter for everything we'll cook up between that at first yeah we are okay okay because

[3:17:01] Voice 6: what i what i have done occasionally i did it in the spring when i did it again the smallest

[3:17:04] Voice 6: independent post i put like if it's a crd question like this go here if it's an island trust go here

[3:17:10] Voice 6: So, and I try and I'm trying to get people to go to the right area, because it's fine

[3:17:16] Voice 8: if you're sharing my contact information it's just our experience with it being front and center on the web is that then you get every kind of question on the

[3:17:27] Voice 8: So I'm like, hmm, can I open an account here?

[3:17:31] Voice 8: And so I'm straight to say yes.

[3:17:34] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:17:35] Voice 8: And how much?

[3:17:36] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:17:37] Voice 8: Send it to us offshore.

[3:17:41] Voice 8: It's in the Caribbean, but don't worry.

[3:17:43] Voice 8: So that's the range of inquiries.

[3:17:48] Voice 8: So my preference

[3:17:49] Voice 8: would be to not.

[3:17:50] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:17:50] Voice 6: That's helpful to understand.

[3:17:51] Voice 6: And I will also make a call out that into my next vendor.

[3:17:55] Voice 6: yeah

[3:17:55] Voice 8: share

[3:17:56] Voice 6: my information the october meeting day the october meeting is going to be on

[3:18:04] Voice 18: it's very legitimate like i know um through bc various with the work i do with them

[3:18:09] Voice 18: they end up having to take all the the emails off the website because they're skillers yeah

[3:18:14] Voice 8: that also

[3:18:15] Voice 8: is what happens is that you also start getting a bunch of

[3:18:18] Voice 8: don't you remember our old website it had like brad smith phone number email right there right

[3:18:29] Voice 8: um that's

[3:18:30] Voice 6: perfect i also realized that when we went past the meeting we of course have to check

[3:18:34] Voice 6: with the hall the halls on the

[3:18:36] Voice 6: 21st so

[3:18:38] Voice 8: we'll get back to you if that date doesn't

[3:18:40] Voice 6: that's great okay

[3:18:42] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:18:44] Voice 18: We have new business options for establishing a water advisory committee.

[3:18:49] Voice 18: Page 256.

[3:18:55] Voice 8: So there's a brief memo there. The last meeting requested information on what would be required to establish a special committee, special commission, and so that note there is meant to just briefly inform you of that.

[3:19:11] Voice 8: all right i think we'll speak to it the name degree is that's pretty big but

[3:19:20] Voice 8: if you have any questions or you can also yeah some directions yeah

[3:19:27] Voice 7: just

[3:19:28] Voice 8: curious that this kind

[3:19:30] Voice 8: of thing is best served by being a more like a press organized committee or if it's something

[3:19:40] Voice 8: something that has to sort of be governed by all the rules of

[3:19:48] Voice 7: the

[3:19:51] Voice 8: terms of reference

[3:19:53] Voice 8: that have to be done up for it there's so

[3:19:58] Voice 7: yeah

[3:19:58] Voice 8: if you do decide especially if you see

[3:20:03] Voice 8: yeah it would be governed by your apc bylaw and the legislation associated with apcs plus

[3:20:08] Voice 8: you could establish a reference point. We have examples, not water, but other special APCs that

[3:20:18] Voice 8: could be used. It helps them. But if you do want to proceed, what we're recommending and grads

[3:20:25] Voice 8: recommended is first do the advertisement. See if you get anybody, because you remember what

[3:20:30] Voice 8: happened with the regular APC. Okay.

[3:20:34] Voice 8: Because then also though isn't there like quorum rules?

[3:20:37] Voice 8: yeah um minute taker so we don't have a minute taker but it's not

[3:20:43] Voice 8: a bad thing because you are

[3:20:45] Voice 8: then getting proper minutes no but it's staff time it's yeah i'm not i'm not suggesting anything

[3:20:52] Voice 8: i'm just curious if if there if it's something that you well i guess the alternative would be

[3:20:58] Voice 8: is it something that you just directly engage with the community to to bring feedback to to

[3:21:06] Voice 8: meetings as opposed to organizing something that requires there to be staff time and a

[3:21:12] Voice 8: minute taker and all of these pieces put into it the

[3:21:17] Voice 18: only thing i can jump in is uh on them and

[3:21:20] Voice 18: they've put this house the advisory committee and they have their own one of their members

[3:21:24] Voice 18: is minute taker so it's not a staff member it's one member

[3:21:28] Voice 6: and that's advising the lpc

[3:21:30] Voice 6: yeah

[3:21:31] Voice 8: it's possible um yeah i mean i think in the apc bylaw even says that you one of the apc members

[3:21:37] Voice 8: can be the secretary but i think it's more effective if it's a contract um because they

[3:21:44] Voice 8: post the notice they help prepare an agenda with the chair they do the minutes they book the space

[3:21:50] Voice 8: and then they submit the invoices right so um we're challenged on north bender with um having

[3:22:02] Voice 8: I guess the other alternative Trustee Campbell's talking about is, is there a group in the

[3:22:07] Voice 8: community, which is like a society, maybe not even a society, like similar to a conservancy

[3:22:13] Voice 8: or the community housing group that sort of formed organically through the

[3:22:21] Voice 8: means for housing

[3:22:22] Voice 8: and could, I don't know.

[3:22:24] Voice 6: So I guess on a couple things.

[3:22:27] Voice 6: things so one of the reasons to do it and I don't know that we need to have it as a special APC

[3:22:31] Voice 6: because our APC could do it like we could just direct our APC no

[3:22:35] Voice 7: but we

[3:22:37] Voice 6: could re-advertise with

[3:22:39] Voice 6: it with that because

[3:22:40] Voice 6: part of the reason I think we don't have an APC is APC members don't know

[3:22:43] Voice 6: what they would be doing right so we could re-advertise the APC announcement with an

[3:22:49] Voice 6: understanding that it would be focused on understanding how we are weaving our water

[3:22:52] Voice 6: our sustainability work into like our project work in housing or like that kind of thing and that

[3:22:58] Voice 6: would instigate people who are interested in it leaning into it because

[3:23:03] Voice 6: what i've heard in the

[3:23:03] Voice 6: community i've asked people about the apc and people are like well i'm uninterested because

[3:23:08] Voice 6: i have no idea what i've been doing and are you even going to listen to us and so um and then the

[3:23:13] Voice 6: other issue about having it as an apc is that we have some say about who's officially part of that

[3:23:22] Voice 6: it doesn't mean they can't listen to other people it's just it allows us to create a balanced

[3:23:27] Voice 6: community as opposed to just having one portion of the community represent the mountain community

[3:23:32] Voice 6: committee and so then when we get advice from it we feel confident that we're getting advice from

[3:23:38] Voice 6: a wide range of people that's the issue so i would suggest that we re-advertise our current apc

[3:23:47] Voice 6: announcement with a focus on water sustainability and how it connects to other activities of the

[3:23:56] Voice 6: ltc such as housing

[3:23:59] Voice 7: you need a motion to have a factor yeah any other thoughts before we make a

[3:24:05] Voice 7: motion on that no i think

[3:24:10] Voice 8: i like i like the reason for that reason my thing was how many committees

[3:24:14] Voice 8: do we need to create outside of this that that require staff right so if this is if we can

[3:24:24] Voice 8: make this part of something that we were already looking for then yeah and

[3:24:28] Voice 6: i'm happy to have

[3:24:29] Voice 8: another one

[3:24:30] Voice 6: yeah and i'm happy if somebody on the apc if at their first meeting they decide that they

[3:24:34] Voice 6: want to internally designate a minute taker and that minute taker would do all that stuff i'm

[3:24:38] Voice 6: okay with that like being

[3:24:40] Voice 6: a move that seems reasonable because the

[3:24:44] Voice 7: lord knows it's already

[3:24:44] Voice 7: hard enough to organize meetings so okay what is the emotion here comes the motion

[3:24:50] Voice 7: ready that

[3:24:57] Voice 9: the north pender

[3:24:58] Voice 6: ltc directs staff to re-advertise membership for the north pender apc

[3:25:09] Voice 6: with a focus on

[3:25:12] Voice 9: water and housing let's call it water and housing um issues

[3:25:21] Voice 7: okay direct staff to

[3:25:29] Voice 16: advertise for membership on north pender apc with a focus on water and housing issues

[3:25:36] Voice 16: second

[3:25:38] Voice 18: discussion you have your direction and

[3:25:45] Voice 6: then robert if we can keep that open until our

[3:25:47] Voice 6: october meeting because when we have a regular apc meeting our ltc meeting in october too

[3:25:54] Voice 3: uh september one

[3:25:55] Voice 6: in september and then when's the next one november okay so then at the november one

[3:25:59] Voice 6: we could appoint the apc because then the water meeting conversation in october that we're having

[3:26:03] Voice 6: that'll help generate interest in the agency

[3:26:13] Voice 18: now we have north tender island lpc freedom of information and protection of privacy by

[3:26:20] Voice 18: island number 233

[3:26:21] Voice 7: consideration of adoption this is what we've already we've already read this

[3:26:29] Voice 8: through it's been out

[3:26:30] Voice 8: it's

[3:26:31] Voice 18: been out it's been endorsed by the executive and you are now putting

[3:26:35] Voice 18: it into motion at

[3:26:38] Voice 8: the north benner island local trust committee bylaw number two three three

[3:26:44] Voice 8: cited as the north benner island trust committee freedom of information protection of province

[3:26:48] Voice 8: bylaw number three three 2023 be adopted second

[3:26:53] Voice 7: second discussion all in favor that carries

[3:27:02] Voice 7: okay

[3:27:02] Voice 18: um so upcoming meetings the next regular meeting schedule is uh september 29th point 23

[3:27:08] Voice 18: three here um and then we will conclude with the town hall if anybody wants to make any brief

[3:27:34] Voice 18: we try not to do that and

[3:27:37] Voice 6: if you can come a little forward because we have a mic

[3:27:38] Voice 7: here with our

[3:27:39] Voice 7: come on up here okay perfect

[3:27:50] Voice 13: that's good

[3:27:51] Voice 13: Yeah, that's perfect.

[3:27:52] Voice 13: And can you say your name first?

[3:27:54] Voice 12: My name is Ken Sheaves, S-H-E-A-V-E-S, 4905 Harbors Road, New England.

[3:28:06] Voice 12: Recently, in some places like in Illinois, there was an adoption.

[3:28:11] Voice 12: We were supposed to have a short-term vacation rental on the property immediately adjacent to our property.

[3:28:19] Voice 12: we have a couple of concerns about that first off i don't agree with any commercial operations

[3:28:31] Voice 12: on residential property and that's what would happen if you think of a hotel or a motel or

[3:28:38] Voice 12: a boarding house or something on the properties secondly i don't think when these properties were

[3:28:50] Voice 12: were developed, that there was any intention other than single

[3:28:54] Voice 12: family residents. And so the utilities and the water and

[3:29:00] Voice 12: sewer is for single family use. And the proposal as I see it, is

[3:29:08] Voice 12: going to allow them to do up to 11 people at a time on it. And

[3:29:16] Voice 12: And our environmental system is just too fragile to have that type of use.

[3:29:26] Voice 12: It won't work, or it will work until I have problems with it.

[3:29:32] Voice 12: I personally have had occasion with building a house on property meeting with JCUS,

[3:29:41] Voice 12: us and they brought on a bunch of heavy equipment and worked on the grounds and almost immediately

[3:29:50] Voice 12: our water system you know even though they're 10 acre parcels

[3:29:54] Voice 12: but it affects our water system and it cost me several thousand dollars to bring

[3:30:00] Voice 12: uh well experts in to uh clean up our system so that's my concern and that's our concern and

[3:30:09] Voice 12: we don't we think it's overuse of the property it was never intended and uh so other than you

[3:30:18] Voice 12: know having more people around i don't mind that it's really 10 acres we don't uh see them or hear

[3:30:25] Voice 12: them really but to uh disrupt our sewer water systems if they weren't designed for so anyway

[3:30:35] Voice 12: that's what i have to say thank you thank

[3:30:38] Voice 12: you very much

[3:30:38] Voice 6: coming in thank you for coming back

[3:30:45] Voice 6: mr

[3:30:47] Voice 11: sketch michael sketch north pender i'd like to address uh community information meeting in

[3:30:54] Voice 11: the third meeting the 13th of may um and uh particularly a point made by by trustee morrison

[3:31:02] Voice 11: all this read this from the mass trustee morrison advised that we are only approving the land use

[3:31:09] Voice 11: file all this new planning funnel with the understanding that the zoning we are doing

[3:31:14] Voice 11: on alr land that happens to be the browning portion down here um is not enforced until

[3:31:22] Voice 11: until the ALR itself allowed for the change in use

[3:31:27] Voice 11: because the ALR rules

[3:31:30] Voice 11: superseded the Ireland Strathclyde Regulation.

[3:31:33] Voice 11: And I'd like to point out to the local trust committee

[3:31:38] Voice 11: or to Trustee Morris particularly,

[3:31:41] Voice 11: that that particular provision of section 46

[3:31:45] Voice 11: and the ALC Act is cherry picking one

[3:31:49] Voice 11: of about four or five provisions.

[3:31:51] Voice 11: The very first is that local government bylaws, in our case, local committee bylaws, shall not contravene ALC rules.

[3:32:03] Voice 11: And that is the dominant. But when they do, there is a provision that they have no force in effect.

[3:32:10] Voice 11: And I think to say it's OK to go ahead with a land use bylaw change, it simply has no force in effect.

[3:32:18] Voice 11: That argument has, in fact, been used by the chair of council in reply to a Galliano citizen who was concerned in 2017 about an unadopted bylaw.

[3:32:32] Voice 11: And that was the argument, that it was to take that little piece of Section 46 and say, it's OK, it just had an important effect.

[3:32:39] Voice 11: But let me be the devil's advocate and say, well, if indeed a bylaw which contravenes

[3:32:48] Voice 11: the ALC Act has an enforcement effect, then in fact, the industrial zoning on the sprouting

[3:32:56] Voice 11: lot for decades has had no enforcement effect because there is no use approved by the non-farm

[3:33:04] Voice 11: use approved by the ALC for that land.

[3:33:08] Voice 11: so why is it given industrial zone and um furthermore to add insults of injury uh since

[3:33:17] Voice 11: i've been checking this certainly since 2020 agriculture has not been a permitted use on this

[3:33:23] Voice 11: portion of ar and um i i understand that um the landowner wants to get on with their project

[3:33:31] Voice 11: and that's entirely reasonable

[3:33:34] Voice 11: to then make application

[3:33:35] Voice 11: but there is

[3:33:38] Voice 11: a

[3:33:38] Voice 11: we didn't have a professional agrologist

[3:33:42] Voice 11: looking at the consultant

[3:33:44] Voice 11: report depending on the exclusions

[3:33:46] Voice 11: and

[3:33:47] Voice 11: the Armour's Trust felt

[3:33:50] Voice 11: it was based on the consultant's

[3:33:52] Voice 11: report there was an equal value

[3:33:54] Voice 11: in inclusion and exclusion but in fact

[3:33:56] Voice 11: there was a huge slope impediment

[3:33:58] Voice 11: and inferior soil

[3:33:59] Voice 11: soil, which the Islands Trust staff didn't pick up or didn't realize, and through it

[3:34:07] Voice 11: went to the Land Commission.

[3:34:10] Voice 11: And they should, upon reconsidering, reverse that decision, whether they will or not is

[3:34:16] Voice 11: another issue.

[3:34:17] Voice 11: But at the moment, the land remains to the ALR.

[3:34:20] Voice 11: So for the Islands Trust to grant boat storage and accessory buildings is, to put it most

[3:34:28] Voice 11: simply premature and it would have been very simple just to pull that portion of the bottle

[3:34:34] Voice 11: out and then reintroduce it with a land use model amendment if and when the land commission excludes

[3:34:41] Voice 11: that portion so that's the end of my constructive criticism thank you very much if it needs to

[3:34:52] Voice 11: uh if if nothing is done uh for years and years and years there is a zoning which is is incorrect

[3:35:01] Voice 11: And a landowner assumes that the land use by-law is what they have to agree with, and by-law enforcement assumes the same thing, and they just carry on, and the AOC is simply left out.

[3:35:12] Voice 11: And just to finish that off, for you, Gregor, I suppose, the boundary between rural and agricultural land, reserve land, on that same portion,

[3:35:25] Voice 11: it's offset by about, I think I remember it's 30 meters, inland, so there is a strip on that parcel which is joint ALR and rural.

[3:35:37] Voice 11: Now the landowner could well assume that the rules for rural zoning apply to that land, and there's no need to have that confusion.

[3:35:51] Voice 11: confusion if the local trust committees is very careful about following the AOC first

[3:35:59] Voice 11: and the landowners second.

[3:36:04] Voice 11: As I said, in this whole issue came up before Trust Council, because I, in fact, went to

[3:36:12] Voice 11: trust council with a number of these examples in 2016 and then 2018 um a letter went to the entire

[3:36:22] Voice 11: of south and the trust council um saying that we won't do we will not adopt by adopt bylaws

[3:36:32] Voice 11: unless and until all terms of reference stipulated by the plan commissioner matt and that wasn't done

[3:36:39] Voice 7: this time thank you for the thoughts

[3:36:44] Voice 7: so

[3:36:45] Voice 6: um my understanding is that the executive committee cannot approve our bylaws until that

[3:36:56] Voice 6: letter is in particular because of that issue so that is my understanding as i stated in my meeting

[3:37:03] Voice 6: so i would like to direct staff to inquire about the agricultural education

[3:37:07] Voice 6: application the status of that with the exclusion inclusion application was done a year or two ago

[3:37:13] Voice 6: because we're still missing the final letter to say that the LR or the ALC is allowing that

[3:37:20] Voice 6: is that true are we still missing the letter from the we

[3:37:25] Voice 3: haven't got a confirmation

[3:37:27] Voice 3: so

[3:37:28] Voice 6: that how long do they have that a long time okay well we can't the problem we're running into

[3:37:34] Voice 6: too is we live here like we need to like move along and i don't know what their problem is

[3:37:40] Voice 6: but they need to like deny or accept like and so what can we do to help that we

[3:37:47] Voice 7: can ask them that's

[3:37:47] Voice 7: it okay well that's

[3:37:48] Voice 18: okay do you need a motion to ask or is the instruction now so

[3:37:54] Voice 6: if you can

[3:37:55] Voice 6: follow up and like let us know and if you can verify with the executor please that they are

[3:38:00] Voice 6: not approving our violence mr sketch is right like we actually can't be approved the executive is

[3:38:06] Voice 6: sort of the line of defense against the alr and they're not supposed to approve our violence until

[3:38:11] Voice 6: we're cut and we can compliance with the lr okay

[3:38:15] Voice 4: question uh clarity um the environmental prosecutor

[3:38:21] Voice 4: the case went to them do we know what it was months ago like recently like any kind of date

[3:38:30] Voice 17: um yeah it was weeks ago you want an exact date

[3:38:34] Voice 4: if you could say like the first of i don't know

[3:38:36] Voice 4: june first july anything like that well

[3:38:41] Voice 17: then actually your best thing to do is check the

[3:38:43] Voice 17: court services online okay in

[3:38:46] Voice 17: there you can search for the case for either traffic or criminal

[3:38:52] Voice 17: under the name linda shane and it'll give you the date when the when the card was laid

[3:38:57] Voice 17: is

[3:38:58] Voice 4: it out linda with an inquirer why all

[3:39:01] Voice 17: right and you can email

[3:39:04] Voice 17: me if you can't get that

[3:39:05] Voice 17: information but that will have the exact date that is a sorry they've

[3:39:09] Voice 7: had it for weeks

[3:39:13] Voice 7: okay thank you all right so we're just looking for a motion to move in camera

[3:39:27] Voice 7: it's the back of the agenda like page three the meeting being closed to the public in

[3:39:38] Voice 8: this working community part four division three ninety one b f for the purpose of considering

[3:39:45] Voice 8: adoption meeting notes

[3:39:52] Voice 7: data make this 2023 okay by

[3:39:56] Voice 8: law enforcement okay

[3:39:58] Voice 18: second oh wait a minute we just have to

[3:40:00] Voice 18: end the recording and staff attend the meeting and

[3:40:02] Voice 8: then the reporter and staff attend the meeting

[3:40:05] Voice 8: okay

[3:40:05] Voice 18: okay

[3:40:06] Voice 8: actually

[3:40:08] Voice 18: that carries all right yeah

[3:40:11] Voice 6: yeah then you're rising yeah

[3:40:13] Voice 18: all right

[3:40:15] Voice 18: so we're rising report um that we've gone to the minutes of may the 5th um from in camera

[3:40:22] Voice 18: that's all we have to report and we just need a motion to adjourn

[3:40:26] Voice 6: that

[3:40:27] Voice 18: carries thank you very much thank

[3:40:31] Voice 7: you thank you right so

[3:40:36] Voice 7: Thank you.