Islands Trust Council regular meeting, August 28, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 14: good morning trustees we are now live streaming and prepared to start the meeting so I'd like to

[0:00:07] Voice 14: call this meeting of the trust provider and are we bringing anybody in by phone today no okay so I am

[0:00:18] Voice 14: humbly thankful to live and work in the treaty lands and territories of many first nations

[0:00:24] Voice 14: territories and I'd like to begin by acknowledging with respect that we're grateful to be able to

[0:00:30] Voice 14: to gather together within locations across the traditional

[0:00:34] Voice 14: and treaty territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:37] Voice 14: I offer members the opportunity to share

[0:00:39] Voice 14: and acknowledge treaty and territorial areas

[0:00:42] Voice 14: in their meeting chat function

[0:00:43] Voice 14: as part of the reconciliation.

[0:00:47] Voice 14: So I'm Christina Peschel-Evans.

[0:00:49] Voice 14: I'm chair of the Trust Programs Committee

[0:00:51] Voice 14: and elected on South Pender Island, or CEDEAS.

[0:00:55] Voice 14: And I'm joined today by members of staff

[0:00:57] Voice 14: as well as Trust Programs Committee.

[0:00:59] Voice 14: committee. We also have, what was, what was her name again? Robin Hackey. Robin Hackey. Thank you

[0:01:10] Voice 14: so much. I'm not the best with names. I can't see everybody up on here. So apologies. So we'll also

[0:01:17] Voice 14: give her an opportunity to introduce herself too. So I would like to start by introducing, like I

[0:01:28] Voice 14: said, myself, which I've done my introduction, if we can go around to everybody else and allow them

[0:01:32] Voice 14: to also introduce themselves. I will see if I can get this to go a little bit bigger so that, no I

[0:01:39] Voice 14: cannot. I'm just trying to see so I can get everybody to introduce themselves. Maybe I can

[0:01:44] Voice 14: get staff to help me out with this because I can't quite get my screen to work in that capacity.

[0:01:49] Voice 14: So perhaps I'll suggest we start with Trustee Fast.

[0:01:52] Trustee Fast: Hi everybody, Trustee Fast from Nuklelequem,

[0:01:55] Trustee Fast: Bowen Island in the territory of the Squamish people.

[0:02:01] Voice 5: And maybe Trustee Peterson.

[0:02:05] Voice 9: Good morning

[0:02:06] Voice 9: Good morning from Huayatay, Liskety Island,

[0:02:09] Voice 9: territory of many Coast Salish peoples

[0:02:11] Voice 9: and the treaty territory of the Tla'Aman Nation.

[0:02:15] Voice 5: Perhaps Trustee Harris.

[0:02:20] Voice 5: Good morning, Jamie Harris here from Salt Spring Island.

[0:02:24] Voice 5: Trustee Allen.

[0:02:27] Trustee Allen: Good morning everyone from Tshetaytion, Hornby Island,

[0:02:30] Trustee Allen: the traditional territory of Tomox First Nations

[0:02:34] Trustee Allen: and other Coast Salish Nations.

[0:02:37] Voice 12: And Trustee Leckham.

[0:02:40] Voice 4: Good morning, Peter Lacam,

[0:02:42] Voice 2: elected on Thetis Island, grateful to live in Coast Salish Territory

[0:02:46] Voice 2: and, of course, in the immediate area of the Laiaks and the Penelakut people on Thetis.

[0:02:53] Voice 12: And then, Chair, maybe I'll just name staff. We can move through staff introductions.

[0:02:58] Voice 12: So, Robert Barlow.

[0:03:01] Voice 7: Good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be living on the Lekwungen-speaking territory today.

[0:03:08] Voice 7: and the Legislative Services Clerk and the Recorder for this meeting.

[0:03:16] Voice 11: Jillian Nicol.

[0:03:18] Voice 11: Thanks, Claire.

[0:03:19] Voice 11: Jillian Nicol, Program Coordinator.

[0:03:22] Voice 11: I currently live in Esquimalt on the Songhees,

[0:03:29] Voice 11: Esquimalt and Songhees Nations.

[0:03:31] Voice 11: And I'm excited to be here.

[0:03:34] Voice 11: And Robin Caffey.

[0:03:39] Voice 5: Good morning, everyone.

[0:03:40] Voice 1: one. Yeah, Claire had suggested it might be all right if I take a few minutes, so I'm

[0:03:44] Voice 1: brand new to introduce myself. So I've been newly hired as the Senior Indigenous Relations

[0:03:53] Voice 1: Advisor. I am calling you today from Cowichan lands. I live in Cowichan Bay with my two

[0:04:00] Voice 1: children and partner, and I identify as a Euro-Canadian settler of French and Scottish

[0:04:06] Voice 1: and Irish ancestry. I moved to live in this area to be closer to my family. So my family's all

[0:04:14] Voice 1: around here. But prior to that, I had lived for more than a decade and worked with the Stalo in

[0:04:20] Voice 1: Stalo lands in the Chilliwack area. So working with a number of Stalo organizations, Chilkwayak

[0:04:27] Voice 1: Tribe and Stalo Tribal Council on rights and title work and environmental and health research.

[0:04:33] Voice 1: I had the opportunity to do a Master's in Resource Management at Simon Fraser University and then a PhD in Indigenous Governance at the University of Victoria.

[0:04:45] Voice 1: And I continued to work with Stalo through that.

[0:04:48] Voice 1: And my research is related to looking at decolonization in Stalo territory and in the broader Coast Salish lands.

[0:04:57] Voice 1: And I also worked as a university and Stalow community kind of relationship building advisor and facilitator in the space of doing community-based action research in the Stalow lands with the University of the Fraser Valley.

[0:05:19] Voice 1: Valley. So that's just a bit of background. And I'm coming here really brand new. So it's

[0:05:25] Voice 1: just starting into my second month. And I'm getting oriented to where you've all come to

[0:05:31] Voice 1: in your journey so far, thinking about reconciliation and really appreciate the good

[0:05:36] Voice 1: work in terms of your reconciliation declarations and the reconciliation action plan. So appreciate

[0:05:43] Voice 1: how much there is to build on and look forward to supporting you and being part of the

[0:05:48] Voice 1: the journey of Islands Trust going further and deeper into this work and look forward

[0:05:56] Voice 1: to meeting each of you in turn and working with this committee as well as other committees

[0:06:00] Voice 1: as this work kind of crosses all different aspects of Islands Trust and the Conservancy.

[0:06:06] Voice 1: So I'll just leave it there and appreciate the moment to introduce myself and look forward

[0:06:12] Voice 1: to learning from you all as well.

[0:06:14] Voice 1: Thanks.

[0:06:17] Voice 14: Thank you, Robin.

[0:06:18] Voice 14: That was lovely.

[0:06:19] Voice 14: Nice to meet you, by the way.

[0:06:20] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:06:22] Voice 14: Okay, so I'm just going to check in with Staff Rater. Have we introduced everybody now that's

[0:06:27] Voice 14: online?

[0:06:29] Voice 12: Yes, and I'll just note that I'm Claire Frater, Director of Trust Area Services, and I'm

[0:06:33] Voice 12: joining today from the territory of the Esquimalt and Songhees Nations, who are Luskwongan-speaking

[0:06:40] Voice 12: peoples. Thank you.

[0:06:43] Voice 14: Brilliant, thank you so much. Okay, so the first item on our agenda is the

[0:06:48] Voice 14: review of the agenda so i'm going to ask if anyone has any late items that they'd like to bring

[0:06:54] Voice 14: forward or if they want to reorder anything that is on the current agenda and if there are no

[0:07:00] Voice 14: comments then i will look to have the agenda approved so i'll just see if anybody is has got

[0:07:07] Voice 5: anything to bring forward trustee bass i just move uh

[0:07:14] Voice 14: approval of the agenda thank you perfect

[0:07:17] Voice 14: like thank you so much okay so then um can I take it by general consent that we approve the agenda

[0:07:23] Voice 14: as uh perfect okay so by general consent the agenda is approved do we have anybody in the um

[0:07:32] Voice 14: in the public that would like to make

[0:07:35] Voice 5: any comments at this time not seeing anybody okay and I and I

[0:07:44] Voice 14: don't believe we have any delegations and I don't think any would have joined late so but we did

[0:07:49] Voice 14: received some correspondence and this is from David Duniston and it's with regards to edits

[0:07:57] Voice 14: to the language regarding the CDF zone and this is going to be addressed in section 8.1

[0:08:04] Voice 14: so we'll take the correspondence for now and we'll discuss it later. Okay so moving on then to the

[0:08:16] Voice 14: the administrative section, the draft minutes of the previous meeting. Does anybody have any

[0:08:23] Voice 14: comments in there? And I'm just going to run through my own notes. I don't believe I had

[0:08:29] Voice 14: any comments, but if anybody has anything that they spotted, please raise your

[0:08:33] Voice 5: hand and let us

[0:08:34] Voice 5: know now. Not seeing any hands, then can

[0:08:45] Voice 14: I take it by general consent that the draft minutes from

[0:08:48] Voice 14: on the previous meeting are approved.

[0:08:53] Voice 5: Not seeing any hands going up,

[0:08:56] Voice 14: Trustee Fast.

[0:08:58] Voice 14: Do you have something to-

[0:08:59] Voice 14: I move approval of the minutes.

[0:09:01] Voice 14: So by general consent, then the minutes are approved.

[0:09:05] Voice 14: We didn't have any resolution without meeting minutes.

[0:09:08] Voice 14: So, and there is the next item I think

[0:09:12] Voice 14: is our follow-up action list.

[0:09:13] Voice 14: So if I can turn, we can move over

[0:09:16] Voice 14: to the follow-up action list

[0:09:17] Voice 14: and I will turn it over to staff

[0:09:18] Voice 14: to walk us through our current status okay

[0:09:24] Voice 12: thank you chair so i'll just walk you through um where

[0:09:27] Voice 12: we're at so on the first one it's essentially on hold um in terms of negotiating a new crown land

[0:09:32] Voice 12: agreement with the province we have no staff capacity because the senior policy advisor is

[0:09:37] Voice 12: essentially seconded to the policy statement project there was a choice to not backfill that

[0:09:42] Voice 12: so inevitably there are some projects we just don't have staff capacity for at this time

[0:09:47] Voice 12: um the second is also somewhat on hold again pending staff capacity and also i would expect

[0:09:52] Voice 12: some lessons learned as we move through the current amendment project there may be an

[0:09:57] Voice 12: opportunity to learn and then apply those lessons to the amendment policy itself

[0:10:02] Voice 12: on this next one here again you had asked for staff to develop criteria for your consideration

[0:10:08] Voice 12: when you get the next round of secretariat service applications again this has not been done we will

[0:10:14] Voice 12: try and achieve it before your next decision major decision point which would likely be in april

[0:10:20] Voice 12: uh and for the next one here um with regard to the montreal charter you passed a motion at your last

[0:10:26] Voice 12: meeting to try and create a little stuff or a little trustee working group um i have prepared

[0:10:31] Voice 12: a briefing on that request to the regional planning committee which they will consider

[0:10:35] Voice 12: in early september and hopefully select some of their membership to join the two i think it was

[0:10:40] Voice 12: trustee allen and i can't remember who else had put their names forward maybe trustee fast yeah

[0:10:44] Voice 12: out so hopefully they'll select two members to work with you and then that working group can

[0:10:48] Voice 12: provide advice back to the two committees which can then provide the advice back to trust council

[0:10:53] Voice 12: in december as requested um with regard to the next one that's not completed is the number two

[0:10:59] Voice 12: there is to work on um fixing or putting the um doing graphic design we will have that done shortly

[0:11:06] Voice 12: our graphic designer has been on vacation so that will be done um quite soon but not yet totally

[0:11:11] Voice 12: completely complete. If we could just go down to the next page. I think the rest are marked

[0:11:16] Voice 12: completed. Yeah, so happy to take any questions on that. But first, maybe I'll just give a little

[0:11:23] Voice 12: staff update, if that's right, in addition. Okay, so I'll just, I'm happy to take questions in a

[0:11:30] Voice 12: minute. But I will just let you know, we're having some staff changes on the team. Delani Hippola,

[0:11:35] Voice 12: who has been our senior policy advisor for a number of years, has been on leave this year.

[0:11:39] Voice 12: and last week provided her resignation so she won't be returning to islands trust

[0:11:44] Voice 12: um so i'll be moving forward now um with reviewing the job profile potentially sending it to class

[0:11:50] Voice 12: vacation and then posting and we do have mary storzer who's still on vacation but she has

[0:11:55] Voice 12: joined us until mid-february um but we'll have to post this position for the long-term um filling

[0:12:00] Voice 12: for the permanent goal and then also jillian nickel has taken a temporary assignment starting

[0:12:06] Voice 12: in the first or second week of September and so she's off actually to act as our planning

[0:12:10] Voice 12: technician in the planning side of the house and Mike Richards who is our grant manager

[0:12:17] Voice 12: has generously offered to step in part-time to help backfill that role. So we have some moving

[0:12:22] Voice 12: pieces on our team here that we will be transitioning over the next few weeks so just

[0:12:29] Voice 12: wanted to let you know that as you consider the work that's before you here and I would say we do

[0:12:34] Voice 12: continue to have a lack of capacity given the policy statement project dominating essentially

[0:12:39] Voice 12: all the time of the policy advisor position i'm happy to provide an update on that

[0:12:43] Voice 5: later on the

[0:12:44] Voice 5: agenda so are there any questions i'm not seeing anybody raising their hands okay

[0:12:55] Voice 14: and i think that

[0:12:56] Voice 14: that is the very next item on the agenda which is the policy statement amendment verbal update

[0:13:01] Voice 14: so just just so that we can keep this uh clear in everybody's minds as to where we are and why

[0:13:07] Voice 14: we are where we are. So I know that, like you said, I'm really sorry to hear that Jelani

[0:13:16] Voice 14: has decided to move on. She will be missed. She was, I loved working with her. She was

[0:13:25] Voice 14: absolutely lovely. So there have been like, I'll turn this over to you. But yeah, go ahead.

[0:13:34] Voice 12: So yes, so happy to provide an update where we're at at this point.

[0:13:37] Voice 12: So we are working from a project charter that Trust Council approved in March, which set

[0:13:42] Voice 12: out that we are to incorporate the 32 resolutions that Council passed, which direct both changes

[0:13:48] Voice 12: to the document itself and also some collaboration that we're to undertake in its development.

[0:13:54] Voice 12: So now that Mary's in place, we've proceeded with finishing up, or we're very close to

[0:14:00] Voice 12: finishing up a new draft for consideration and we've been directed to work with ministry of

[0:14:04] Voice 12: agriculture the agricultural land commission bona and municipality and then of course our legal

[0:14:09] Voice 12: council to kind of work on that draft we've then also got eight nations that have taken capacity

[0:14:14] Voice 12: funding to look at it this fall at the early draft and provide comment to us and we've also hired a

[0:14:20] Voice 12: communications consultant who will be working with us through the fall to prepare communication

[0:14:24] Voice 12: materials to support everyone when we put the draft on a public agenda early in the new year

[0:14:31] Voice 12: so what we'll be bringing forward early in the new year are is a draft for consideration simply

[0:14:37] Voice 12: a staff draft we'll also bring forward the comments from first nations on that draft for

[0:14:42] Voice 12: you to consider when you get it as well as recommendations for additional changes because

[0:14:48] Voice 12: as we undertook the drafting process and as the world shifts around us we've as staff we've

[0:14:53] Voice 12: identified other changes that you might wish to consider um so we'll put those in the recommendation

[0:14:57] Voice 12: for trust programs committee and executive committee to look at so when you're asking for

[0:15:02] Voice 12: additional you want to make additional recommendations to trust council you'll have

[0:15:05] Voice 12: those to consider as well as your own thoughts um on the draft itself so essentially that's where

[0:15:11] Voice 12: we're at um and happy to take questions around that trustee ellen thank

[0:15:17] Trustee Allen: you chair um so those

[0:15:19] Trustee Allen: Those eight First Nation groups, do they represent, like, northern, middle, southern Gulf Islands?

[0:15:26] Trustee Allen: Can you name what they are at all?

[0:15:30] Voice 12: Let me

[0:15:30] Voice 12: see if I

[0:15:30] Trustee Allen: can, let

[0:15:32] Voice 12: me quickly see if I can pull up the list.

[0:15:37] Voice 12: Let me have a quick look here.

[0:15:39] Voice 12: So, Jillian may have it more up.

[0:15:41] Voice 12: Jillian, do you have it more at your fingertips than I'm going to, the list of nations?

[0:15:46] Voice 11: I don't want to risk, yeah, I'm sharing my screen.

[0:15:49] Voice 11: I don't want to.

[0:15:50] Voice 11: Okay, that's true,

[0:15:50] Voice 12: you're sharing screen.

[0:15:51] Voice 12: Okay, so we've got Malahat. I'm just looking through our series of emails here. Malahat, Sinawis,

[0:16:02] Voice 5: Couch and Tribes, Laiaxin, Comox, and let me look here, and Seashell,

[0:16:12] Voice 12: it looks like.

[0:16:14] Trustee Allen: Okay, I'm glad to hear Comox is on there. Okay,

[0:16:16] Voice 12: and Halal, and Halal, it would appear.

[0:16:19] Voice 12: And we've got one other nation that's reached out to inquire regarding the amount of work.

[0:16:24] Voice 12: So there may be a ninth to join.

[0:16:27] Voice 12: Yeah, I didn't keep track of that's all eight,

[0:16:29] Voice 12: but that gives you a sense of who's,

[0:16:31] Voice 12: which nations are actively engaged with us.

[0:16:34] Trustee Allen: Okay, thank you.

[0:16:35] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:16:36] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:16:37] Voice 12: Trustee Harris.

[0:16:42] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:16:44] Voice 10: So just on the policy statement,

[0:16:49] Voice 10: I just want to, you know,

[0:16:52] Voice 10: solidify what we had talked about

[0:16:54] Voice 10: in a previous programs committee meeting

[0:16:56] Voice 10: and state that I'm really looking forward to the LTCs

[0:17:04] Voice 10: having the policy statement returned to us

[0:17:07] Voice 5: so

[0:17:07] Voice 10: we can have six months of engagement

[0:17:09] Voice 10: with the community.

[0:17:11] Voice 10: So I just looking forward to that.

[0:17:14] Voice 10: I'll leave it at that.

[0:17:16] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:17:18] Voice 14: I have a quick comment slash question.

[0:17:23] Voice 14: And so over to, this is being directed at Staff Rater.

[0:17:29] Voice 14: Now, the previous term had addressed

[0:17:32] Voice 14: brought forward 32 changes to be incorporated. And then the term changed over, so we've got a

[0:17:38] Voice 14: new trust council in place. One suggestion that I'd like to bring forward is that perhaps those

[0:17:45] Voice 14: changes have one more review by the new trust council, just to ensure that the current trust

[0:17:50] Voice 14: council is in agreement with the changes that are occurring, because if they're not, then we can

[0:17:57] Voice 14: can potentially avoid unnecessary work and if they are in agreements with it then we know that

[0:18:04] Voice 14: the work going forward is you know thumbs up go for it I just want to avoid having staff do

[0:18:11] Voice 14: something if the current trust council is just going to ask you to undo it once we get to see

[0:18:15] Voice 14: it in January so I was just thinking perhaps this could be something that we can move forward

[0:18:19] Voice 14: as an item on the September trust council meeting because I just review make sure we're all in

[0:18:27] Voice 14: agreements with this move forward okay

[0:18:29] Voice 12: well certainly trust council can you know certainly

[0:18:32] Voice 12: i would encourage if that's the direction you want to go that you prepare a trustee rfd or suggest to

[0:18:36] Voice 12: executive committee that there be a shift in the project at this time the draft is essentially done

[0:18:41] Voice 12: we've done all the work in terms of preparing a draft and we have committed to nations that

[0:18:45] Voice 12: we're getting it to them like within two weeks or so um so we're somewhat the project is somewhat

[0:18:50] Voice 12: in process already and council doesn't meet until the end of september um so if we were to get you

[0:18:56] Voice 12: know they would almost need a special meeting of council to really if you wanted us to stop

[0:18:59] Voice 12: work at this point we would need special direction because it's sort of in motion what i will want to

[0:19:05] Voice 12: reassure the committee like it is a staff draft that's arriving we are already aware that it's

[0:19:09] Voice 12: imperfect the world is changing around us we've had a change of council so it will arrive at

[0:19:14] Voice 12: council and council can take it in any direction that council wants right you'll get it as a

[0:19:18] Voice 12: committee and you'll reflect on what we've provided and i think that it's staff have

[0:19:23] Voice 12: have every expectation this this document can change a lot right so once we provide it back

[0:19:27] Voice 12: to you then it's a fresh start everyone has a new draft to look at it reflects what you heard in

[0:19:32] Voice 12: public engagement last time what we heard from nations and what we heard from referral agencies

[0:19:37] Voice 12: and then council's decisions that reflect that and then it's a fresh start you'll have a draft

[0:19:42] Voice 12: to work with and then you'll be able to reflect on how you want to take it forward and what

[0:19:46] Voice 12: additional changes you want staff will be recommending that council do that through

[0:19:50] Voice 12: special meetings so that you aren't trying to squish it in an afternoon amongst all the other

[0:19:55] Voice 12: business that you have like enough time to work through it as a group and provide that direction

[0:20:00] Voice 12: the other thing i have the floor here i'll just mention is i'm starting to work with mariana

[0:20:04] Voice 12: business and jillian on a business case for next fiscal that does account for the idea of this

[0:20:10] Voice 12: decentralized public engagement through the referral process to local trust committees we

[0:20:15] Voice 12: will be and i would like to chat about this with the committee if you're interested we are going

[0:20:19] Voice 12: going to propose some alternatives with some additional public engagement opportunities for

[0:20:23] Voice 12: council to reflect on and other you know sort of staffing considerations as well so that's also

[0:20:28] Voice 12: in peace we aim to have that as a draft to the executive committee for their September 13th

[0:20:34] Voice 12: meeting so sorry to grab to tuck that into my response there no

[0:20:39] Voice 14: that's perfect so I'm just

[0:20:40] Voice 14: going to reiterate again the work for the 32 changes is basically completed already at this

[0:20:47] Voice 14: date so that's great um i just wanted to really clarify and highlight that point the work is

[0:20:52] Voice 14: already done it's gone to first nations now for their input we're waiting for their input to come

[0:20:58] Voice 14: back which will then be incorporated and then the new trust council will get a fresh look and we can

[0:21:03] Voice 14: move in whatever direction we feel is necessary with the trust policy statement and then once

[0:21:09] Voice 14: once we're happy with it it can go back to the communities for their input and their review

[0:21:13] Voice 12: you that's right and trust council can linger with it as long as it likes like trust council

[0:21:18] Voice 12: could take as long as it needs to make sure that this reflects this council right and i think this

[0:21:23] Voice 12: will complement the work that's being done to look at the object and how you want to interpret unique

[0:21:26] Voice 12: amenities so i would encourage council to take the time it needs for this group of council

[0:21:31] Voice 12: to really feel like they're reaching some level of agreement on the document before it goes to

[0:21:35] Voice 12: community yeah and

[0:21:37] Voice 14: i i see trustee harris has his hand up and then i'm just going to make a note so

[0:21:42] Voice 14: don't forget my question go ahead trustee harris

[0:21:45] Voice 10: i just want to um say thank you chair um chair

[0:21:47] Voice 10: evans that was a good um synopsis of how that's all going to work out and i'm in agreement with

[0:21:53] Voice 10: what you're saying there thank you

[0:21:55] Trustee Allen: trustee allen yeah i was just going to say ditto is going to

[0:21:58] Trustee Allen: wait till later on but i really like the way you uh do this uh paraphrase and recap what just said

[0:22:04] Trustee Allen: because sometimes we think we heard something it's not always what we heard so thanks very much

[0:22:09] Trustee Allen: chair Evans thank

[0:22:10] Voice 14: you and I've forgotten my question um okay uh staff rater you had said

[0:22:19] Voice 14: that you wanted to raise something else um I don't see anybody else raising their hands right now so

[0:22:25] Voice 14: if you want to go ahead um with with what it was you wanted to bring up oh oh I think I remember

[0:22:30] Voice 14: what it was um so the work that's going on with the trust policy statement is a is a is a taking

[0:22:39] Voice 14: up a big chunk of of our time and our staff time because it is very important and we recognize the

[0:22:44] Voice 14: importance of it coupled with the work that is ongoing with the corporate planning process

[0:22:49] Voice 14: which i have had somebody else say this is also really important but they're being dealt with by

[0:22:54] Voice 14: different people and i just want to clarify that online they're being dealt with by different

[0:22:58] Voice 14: people they each have priority and they are both getting the the attention that they need and

[0:23:03] Voice 14: deserve yes yeah

[0:23:06] Voice 12: i am i am i and my team at this stage are not very involved in the corporate

[0:23:10] Voice 12: planning work that's being undertaken i think we'll engage once it gets a bit further along

[0:23:14] Voice 12: and we can contribute content to it once the process is sort of determined back over to you

[0:23:21] Voice 12: with the with with the topic that you wanted to address um so so really it was just that but i'm

[0:23:26] Voice 12: working on a business case and i'm going to provide as we did last time early in the process

[0:23:31] Voice 12: and the business cases evolve through the budget process and i'm going to be providing like a

[0:23:35] Voice 12: robust series of alternatives um for this project for executive committee to take a look at that

[0:23:41] Voice 12: sort of involve i would say more like right now the project charter simply has public engagement

[0:23:47] Voice 12: happening ltc by ltc at their discretion and sort of this decentralized way um with support from my

[0:23:54] Voice 12: team but we could end up with 13 different little mini processes um so just reflecting on that and

[0:24:01] Voice 12: also no virtual opportunities so we'll provide a series of options that people can reflect on as

[0:24:05] Voice 12: sort of everyone takes a look at this project and as it you know evolves so we'll have those

[0:24:10] Voice 12: alternatives sort of built out so that everyone can consider and reflect in terms of potentially

[0:24:14] Voice 12: backfilling the policy advisor because there's still quite a demand for the other work that that

[0:24:18] Voice 12: position does as well as probably some virtual public engagement opportunities and a survey

[0:24:24] Voice 12: you know so that people are aware of the breadth of options but we will build the business case

[0:24:28] Voice 12: around the project charter that was adopted in March.

[0:24:32] Voice 12: I also will likely bring back the project charter.

[0:24:34] Voice 12: I'll talk to executive committee.

[0:24:36] Voice 12: We'll likely bring it back to trust council for an update

[0:24:38] Voice 12: because we've had this six month delay.

[0:24:40] Voice 12: So all the timelines are shifting.

[0:24:42] Voice 12: So I may just bring it back for simply for a timeline update.

[0:24:46] Voice 12: What I will also add, because I forgot to add this earlier,

[0:24:48] Voice 12: we've had a First Nation indicate some interest

[0:24:51] Voice 12: in being involved in talking to council

[0:24:53] Voice 12: about the process itself by which this document is updated.

[0:24:56] Voice 12: so as we talk with them staff to staff that may yet be something we bring forward as well

[0:25:01] Voice 12: brilliant that's great to

[0:25:03] Voice 14: hear that's really good that's exciting yeah um

[0:25:06] Voice 14: okay so just to to to wrap

[0:25:08] Voice 14: that up again that um what you're going to be bringing forward in your business case and and

[0:25:12] Voice 14: I think when the the the um the project charter was created it was left intentionally vague with

[0:25:20] Voice 14: um except for the part that the LTCs needed to have an opportunity for for input how that was

[0:25:27] Voice 14: going to look needed to be determined in the future once we had given it some time and because

[0:25:32] Voice 14: we didn't plan for budget in this year that was another reason for it but for next year's budget

[0:25:38] Voice 14: it's a completely different case so we can still have our LTC engagement and we can look at

[0:25:44] Voice 14: opportunities to improve how we do that but not taking that away from them. Yeah

[0:25:51] Voice 12: so we'll come in

[0:25:52] Voice 12: with a fairly frugal bare bones option but then give many alternatives like a shopping list of

[0:25:58] Voice 12: other ways of doing it should that be the way that people want to go so there'll be yeah so

[0:26:02] Voice 12: i just wanted to explain the sort of the approach to this

[0:26:04] Voice 5: trustee harris thank you um staff raider

[0:26:12] Voice 5: so just so

[0:26:14] Voice 10: i have it clear um you mentioned bringing alternative alternate consultation to

[0:26:21] Voice 10: um ec and why not to the programs committee so

[0:26:29] Voice 12: at this time well the way council passed the

[0:26:32] Voice 12: resolution executive committee is the project manager and um trust programs committee has

[0:26:37] Voice 12: really been consulting on content like the document itself and executive committee has

[0:26:42] Voice 12: been the body that coordinates the delivery and all the you know the delivery of the project um

[0:26:48] Voice 12: So that, of course, if Trust Council wants to take another look at that and reassign the coordination to a different committee, that could happen.

[0:26:54] Voice 12: But at this time, it's executive committee coordinating the project and TPC really digging in and spending the time on the sort of the policy front of what is it, what does the document itself say?

[0:27:05] Voice 12: But that's open. I would say, had I had more fleshed out business case to perhaps show this committee, I would probably would have given it to you.

[0:27:12] Voice 12: It's just not done. We've all been on vacation and don't have anything to give you at this point.

[0:27:18] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:27:19] Voice 12: I think executive committee would have appreciated your reflections. So I'm giving you sort of this verbal update because I don't have a document to share at this time.

[0:27:27] Voice 14: Brilliant. Thank you so much, Seph Rater. I'll just ask, does anybody else have any other questions that they'd like to ask at this point? And if not, then we will move on to section seven, which is the stewardship education program.

[0:27:42] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:27:43] Voice 5: not seeing

[0:27:43] Voice 14: anyone raising their hands.

[0:27:45] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:27:46] Voice 14: So we're going to move on then to 7.2.1 on the agenda,

[0:27:50] Voice 14: which is the Speaker Series Project Charter.

[0:27:54] Voice 12: Okay, thank you, Chair.

[0:27:55] Voice 12: I'm going to turn this to our program coordinator,

[0:27:59] Voice 12: Jillian Nichols, to introduce.

[0:28:01] Voice 11: Hi, yes.

[0:28:03] Voice 11: So during the May 15th Trust Program Committee meeting,

[0:28:09] Voice 11: TPC passed a motion to create,

[0:28:12] Voice 11: to develop project charters on two to three webinars.

[0:28:17] Voice 11: Staff felt that one project charter to explain,

[0:28:22] Voice 11: one project charter was necessary

[0:28:24] Voice 11: for the two to three webinars.

[0:28:27] Voice 11: In the meantime, we've, here, let me, sorry,

[0:28:30] Voice 11: also sharing my screen, so I gotta roll it down.

[0:28:32] Voice 11: In the meantime, we decided, or internally staff thought

[0:28:37] Voice 11: it would be best to actually partner

[0:28:39] Voice 11: with the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy

[0:28:41] Voice 11: because they are actually,

[0:28:43] Voice 11: they were hoping to create a webinar themselves.

[0:28:46] Voice 11: And so we wanted to bridge programs together

[0:28:49] Voice 11: and we felt that,

[0:28:51] Voice 11: staff felt that webinar one could be focused

[0:28:55] Voice 11: on the online Atlas

[0:28:57] Voice 11: and the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy,

[0:29:00] Voice 11: which would then lead to the Groundwater,

[0:29:03] Voice 11: Our Shared Responsibility webinar.

[0:29:05] Voice 11: webinar. So the hope would be that community members would attend the first one and then

[0:29:11] Voice 11: the second one because they would bridge together. And then the third one would be on wildfire

[0:29:17] Voice 11: prevention. This is all, of course, draft and up to the discretion of the committee.

[0:29:23] Voice 11: But we have brought a project charter for you to review and endorse. Yeah, if anyone

[0:29:29] Voice 11: has any questions.

[0:29:31] Voice 11: Trustee Allen?

[0:29:33] Voice 5: Yeah, it's just the dates. I'm assuming it should be January 2024

[0:29:36] Trustee Allen: and February 2024 in terms of the dates.

[0:29:41] Trustee Allen: Yes.

[0:29:44] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:29:45] Trustee Allen: That went by so quickly, man. I missed that.

[0:29:50] Voice 14: Okay, thank you. Trustee Porthwick.

[0:29:53] Voice 8: Hello, good morning. Good morning, everybody. Sorry, I was a little bit late.

[0:29:58] Voice 8: Yeah, no, I...

[0:30:00] Voice 8: I mean, I think the webinars sound very good.

[0:30:03] Voice 8: The one thing I was wondering is just,

[0:30:06] Voice 8: so we've got the wild,

[0:30:07] Voice 8: obviously we're all being very conscious

[0:30:09] Voice 8: of wildfire stuff right now.

[0:30:13] Voice 8: We had a fire on Denman yesterday

[0:30:15] Voice 8: that we luckily put out very quickly,

[0:30:18] Voice 8: but I'm just wondering if,

[0:30:22] Voice 8: so the webinars, you know,

[0:30:24] Voice 8: the plan is to sort of give people knowledge in,

[0:30:27] Voice 8: in you know to prepare for these things um i i guess march is probably fine i was the one i was

[0:30:36] Voice 8: just fires have been very much on my mind so i i was thinking it's like well maybe we want to put

[0:30:41] Voice 8: the put fires sooner to give that whole winter for people to prepare but maybe that's i mean i don't

[0:30:49] Voice 8: know that it's that much of a difference between those dates really um all things said and done

[0:30:54] Voice 8: it's january to march so it's not really a whole a whole bunch of nonsense there but

[0:30:59] Voice 8: yeah anyways and i'm sure i mean obviously we've got um uh william uh raring to go on

[0:31:06] Voice 8: fresh water so maybe that's all moved but yeah i was just i i thought for some reason it was

[0:31:10] Voice 8: over a larger period of time pardon me thank

[0:31:14] Voice 14: you trustee bothwick i

[0:31:17] Voice 11: can answer that question about

[0:31:19] Voice 11: but why we thought March would be a good time to have that

[0:31:24] Voice 11: if you want.

[0:31:27] Voice 11: So staff thought March would be okay

[0:31:29] Voice 11: because of course we have the fiscal year end.

[0:31:33] Voice 11: So it ends on March 31st.

[0:31:35] Voice 11: We have to put these webinars before March 31st.

[0:31:38] Voice 11: But also we thought that it's, we felt,

[0:31:41] Voice 11: I've attended a bunch of fire prevention type webinars

[0:31:45] Voice 11: and I usually see them in March and April.

[0:31:47] Voice 11: And that's because people are starting to think

[0:31:49] Voice 11: about spring and they started to think about like um uh yeah upcoming summer um i don't yeah and and

[0:31:57] Voice 11: so staff felt that we should maybe put in in march um and then have the fresh water um item uh prior

[0:32:03] Voice 11: to that so we did uh yeah i i we were we were playing around with the um the timeline for sure

[0:32:11] Voice 11: um but several of us thought that maybe march would be better for the wildlife prevention

[0:32:15] Voice 11: Thank

[0:32:18] Voice 5: you. Trustee Harris.

[0:32:22] Voice 5: Thank you. So there's a lot, you know, a lot in here, but I'm wondering if we're really going to,

[0:32:38] Voice 10: so basically we have $5,000 that we're talking about spending here, is that correct?

[0:32:45] Voice 5: So

[0:32:46] Voice 10: would it be not possible to save the $5,000 to reduce the budget for next year

[0:32:53] Voice 10: and um instead of um you know creating more webinars um could we not use go to senior

[0:33:04] Voice 10: government's um resources and then um you know it would be nice to have it would be nice to have a

[0:33:15] Voice 10: review from the community and trustees on presentations by staff um for wildfire we could

[0:33:25] Voice 10: use the transition salt spring webinar the webinar only not the biased report um that was by tss and

[0:33:35] Voice 10: raincoast um can

[0:33:36] Voice 14: we can we not uh can we not um here thank

[0:33:41] Voice 10: you i'm not no i'm not trying to i'm

[0:33:42] Voice 10: just i'm trying to stay back so i'm sorry thank you chair um so maybe there could be a motion

[0:33:52] Voice 10: a possible motion that staff compile a list of applicable wildfire webinars and resources

[0:33:56] Voice 10: for Trust Programs Committee for review

[0:33:59] Voice 10: rather than creating another webinar.

[0:34:01] Voice 10: Just a thought, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[0:34:05] Voice 14: Okay, thank you, Trustee Harrison.

[0:34:07] Voice 14: Actually, that was what I raised my hand for,

[0:34:09] Voice 14: was one of your points there was,

[0:34:11] Voice 14: I know that there are webinars already in existence

[0:34:17] Voice 14: through the government,

[0:34:18] Voice 14: and can we not reuse some of those

[0:34:24] Voice 14: that have been put together at a provincial level

[0:34:26] Voice 14: level versus creating new content ourselves.

[0:34:31] Voice 14: So yeah, thank you for raising that.

[0:34:36] Voice 14: Sorry, okay, people are putting their hands back up again.

[0:34:40] Voice 14: Trustee Harris again.

[0:34:42] Voice 10: Well, I'm sorry, I guess I would just,

[0:34:45] Voice 10: I'd like to know if we could entertain such a motion

[0:34:48] Voice 10: and would it be good to maybe put it up on the screen

[0:34:53] Voice 10: and have people look at it and we could talk about it.

[0:34:59] Voice 14: Okay, but I'll suggest if it's difficult to make motions on the

[0:35:05] Voice 14: fly, and we do prefer not to do that. So

[0:35:09] Voice 14: I

[0:35:11] Voice 10: understand I'm quite happy to look forward.

[0:35:17] Voice 5: Okay, go ahead.

[0:35:20] Voice 10: I'm staff to let me

[0:35:21] Voice 5: know when they're ready. And I'll fire it

[0:35:24] Voice 5: off.

[0:35:36] Voice 5: Chair Evans,

[0:35:38] Voice 7: I am ready to record any motion that the committee wishes to create.

[0:35:48] Voice 10: Okay. Well, I move that staff compile a list of applicable wildfire webinars and resources

[0:35:55] Voice 10: for Trust Programs Committee for review rather than creating another webinar.

[0:36:01] Voice 7: Sorry, Trustee Harris, could you say that again a little bit slower, please?

[0:36:05] Voice 7: Yes,

[0:36:07] Voice 10: thank you. I move that staff compile a list of applicable wildfire webinars and resources

[0:36:15] Voice 10: for Trust Programs Committee for review rather than creating

[0:36:21] Voice 5: another webinar.

[0:36:53] Voice 5: Okay. Do I have someone ready to second this motion? Trustee Allen, thank you.

[0:37:10] Voice 5: Okay, so

[0:37:11] Voice 14: the motion has been moved and seconded. Let's open this up for discussion.

[0:37:14] Voice 14: session. Trustee Allen, you have your hand up.

[0:37:17] Trustee Allen: Well, Trustee Luckin had his hand up before me,

[0:37:19] Trustee Allen: but I'll go ahead if you want. No, if you note, if you look at the actual business case

[0:37:27] Trustee Allen: for the wildfire prevention, it says potential presenters, local fire experts,

[0:37:32] Trustee Allen: Smart BC, BC Fire Service. It is going beyond looking at, you know, obviously other sources,

[0:37:39] Trustee Allen: provincial sources. But my concern is that, you know, we are unique. We're islands. And so we do

[0:37:45] Trustee Allen: have different uh what do you call it well many you know evacuation to everything different

[0:37:51] Trustee Allen: concerns that are not exactly okanagan or yellowknife or any of those places so

[0:37:57] Trustee Allen: i agree that you know we should make sure we have uh you know as much information we have from other

[0:38:02] Trustee Allen: sources but as well as we need to have uh a focus on our islands which are a little bit different

[0:38:08] Trustee Allen: so i hope that we have our you know fire chiefs from various islands come and talk and what

[0:38:14] Trustee Allen: they're doing on our particular islands and how they're mitigating any horribleness that might

[0:38:19] Trustee Allen: appear. So that's what I'm just going to comment on. Thank you.

[0:38:24] Voice 14: Thank you, Trustee Allen. I believe

[0:38:28] Voice 14: that Trustee Harris mentioned a transition salt spring webinar that I think is already in

[0:38:36] Voice 14: existence. I don't know exactly what's involved in that or included in that, but I believe that

[0:38:40] Voice 14: that that is going to be trust area specific,

[0:38:43] Voice 14: but I don't know what the content is on that.

[0:38:47] Voice 5: Trustee Luckham.

[0:38:53] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[0:38:54] Voice 2: I had my hand up actually prior to the motion.

[0:38:57] Voice 2: And of course I'm a non-voting member ex officio.

[0:39:00] Voice 2: So I'm not speaking to the motion particularly,

[0:39:04] Voice 2: but I think that what I was gonna say

[0:39:06] Voice 2: is relevant to the motion.

[0:39:09] Voice 2: And Trustee Allen has captured some,

[0:39:12] Voice 2: And so just for your background, so you know, I am a fire chief deputy on Thetis.

[0:39:18] Voice 2: And indeed, I would say more than half of my time as a chief in the last number of years has been contemplating and attending seminars and learning all that I can about the wildfire situation.

[0:39:31] Voice 2: situation. And so there is, as Trustee Allen has said, there is some uniqueness to the islands

[0:39:39] Voice 2: different than anywhere else in the interior, I would suggest, based upon fuel and humidity and

[0:39:51] Voice 2: availability of resources. And indeed, it's certainly reasonable to reach out to others.

[0:39:57] Voice 2: And I would suggest that the Coastal Fire Center, based on Vancouver Island and the Cobble Hill office of that sort of division, are very well informed on wildfire prevention activities and management.

[0:40:19] Voice 2: And particularly because they're Vancouver Island focused and Gulf Island focused, they have an intimacy with what our needs are, which in the number of the sessions I've been into, it is clear to them that indeed the nature of wildfire potential on the islands, and that's including Vancouver Island, is different than the interior.

[0:40:42] Voice 2: So they have done they are more than happy to do presentations. They actually came over to Thetis a little while ago and did a presentation that we organized. And it's very informative. And indeed, we want to attract as much as attracting the audience being household owners on the islands.

[0:41:01] Voice 2: We want to attract all of those businesses that are engaged in working in the islands in order to ensure that they are suitably and adequately prepared and resourced to conduct fire prevention activities in relation to their heavy equipment usage and construction.

[0:41:23] Voice 2: instruction. So just really encouraging that certainly let's go out and see what else there

[0:41:28] Voice 2: is out there. But I think that that area is something that we can certainly get some help

[0:41:33] Voice 2: with. And maybe some of the other materials may be less valuable, but let's see how that unfolds.

[0:41:39] Voice 2: The only other thing I would say is March is an interesting time period to think about that.

[0:41:45] Voice 2: And certainly the year gets going in January and it's well underway by March.

[0:41:50] Voice 2: but in in truth any of the fire prevention activities that people can do actually needs

[0:41:55] Voice 2: to be done before march by the time we get into april or may it's actually getting to be too late

[0:42:01] Voice 2: and because that's fire as we've seen this year fire season is upon us so the sooner that this

[0:42:06] Voice 2: could be launched to inform people about what activities they might want to undertake prior

[0:42:11] Voice 2: to us actually being in a fire season especially if there's any uh equipment and materials being

[0:42:18] Voice 2: needed to be deposited etc in order to create uh fire prevention buffers on properties that should

[0:42:25] Voice 2: happen during the wet season and uh rather than trying to rush to get things done before fire

[0:42:31] Voice 2: season so those that's just some thoughts from my uh other background and i'll turn it over to you

[0:42:36] Voice 2: thank you for the time thank

[0:42:39] Voice 14: you trustee lackham um i'm just going to quickly uh reiterate again

[0:42:45] Voice 14: game that staff nickel did say that this was a rough draft of suggestions and that she was

[0:42:52] Voice 14: looking for input so I thank people for their input and move on to trustee Peterson trustee

[0:42:58] Voice 14: Luckham did you have something else to say oh there we go trustee Peterson go ahead I believe

[0:43:02] Voice 14: I

[0:43:02] Voice 9: believe I believe trustee Fass had her hand up first

[0:43:04] Voice 14: this is the order that that that you're

[0:43:08] Voice 14: showing on the screen okay

[0:43:10] Voice 9: fair enough um so uh i want to appreciate uh the thoughts here um

[0:43:21] Voice 9: i'm just seeing like i i do really i like the idea of using existing resources

[0:43:29] Voice 9: however i'd also note that in uh in the list of presidential potential presenters there are some

[0:43:37] Voice 9: local groups such as the Gambier Fire Equipment Group and local fire experts and

[0:43:45] Voice 9: I wouldn't want to pass this motion and rule those options out entirely

[0:43:52] Voice 9: just because as was mentioned earlier that the value of local knowledge is really important.

[0:44:00] Voice 9: important I'd be happy to vote for this motion if it ended at the word review um I don't know that

[0:44:09] Voice 9: I'm uh ready to rule out the potential for more targeted local type knowledge um had one other

[0:44:19] Voice 9: thing but it's not coming to me so I'll just uh leave it at that for now no

[0:44:24] Voice 14: worries and if you

[0:44:25] Voice 14: remember uh put your hand up again and uh trustee fast go ahead thank you chair um

[0:44:31] Trustee Fast: i'm uh uh

[0:44:33] Trustee Fast: appreciating the discussion i'm uh of the same mind as trustee peterson it seems funny to me

[0:44:40] Trustee Fast: that in a wildfire season that we're having now uh that we would be overturning a decision that

[0:44:46] Trustee Fast: that we made at our last trust council meeting

[0:44:49] Trustee Fast: and not holding a islands specific

[0:44:56] Trustee Fast: wildfire stewardship education session.

[0:44:59] Trustee Fast: So I don't know whether we should even be

[0:45:03] Trustee Fast: like overturning a decision.

[0:45:07] Trustee Fast: So I liked the idea of ending the motion

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast: at the word review as trustee Peterson mentioned.

[0:45:16] Trustee Fast: I think we do need island-specific resources for people because we are so different, as Peter Luckham has explained, and also in terms of the concerns of islanders thinking about evacuation and in terms of how can we get equipment to us and that kind of thing.

[0:45:43] Trustee Fast: it's it's uh it's different and uh so i think um uh i like the idea of moving it to january

[0:45:50] Trustee Fast: um because that'll also be a time when there are fewer when wildfire will be uh we might draw more

[0:45:57] Trustee Fast: people in um i hope that uh uh it could include a little bit of coastal western hemlock as well

[0:46:05] Trustee Fast: um because uh the islands over here i see you've got gambier on the list which is great the gambier

[0:46:11] Trustee Fast: um fire group uh because our our forests are a little different but the idea of um uh i just

[0:46:19] Trustee Fast: don't want to um i like the idea of making it clear that what treatments you do for wildfire

[0:46:28] Trustee Fast: prevention depend on the specific forest you're in um and so i wouldn't want uh coastal western

[0:46:36] Trustee Fast: or hemlock not to be included there and uh and I think why not uh pass our motion ending at the

[0:46:44] Trustee Fast: word review and then also post links to other recordings that people in the trust area might

[0:46:52] Trustee Fast: want to um take advantage of um why not do that as well uh that's my input thank you

[0:47:00] Voice 14: thank you I just I'm going to add in a couple of comments here myself before we get back to uh

[0:47:06] Voice 14: people that have already spoken. So what I was hearing from Trustee Harris when he was

[0:47:16] Voice 14: giving this motion, and he's going to be speaking next so you can correct me if I'm wrong,

[0:47:20] Voice 14: but I think here we're not looking to overturn what was said in the previous meeting. What is

[0:47:27] Voice 14: being suggested is that we take a look at existing webinars that are perhaps applicable to our area

[0:47:33] Voice 14: like Trustee Blackham had stated, those that are in existence on the island, because they are very

[0:47:40] Voice 14: similar and they do include the Gulf Islands in the area as well, that rather than spending money

[0:47:49] Voice 14: on Islands Trust staff creating a brand new webinar, let's look at those that are already

[0:47:54] Voice 14: in existence that are applicable to us so that we can use our money a little bit better and perhaps

[0:48:01] Voice 14: put on a different webinar later on as well so we can get more information up because when we were

[0:48:06] Voice 14: having this discussion there were a lot of items on the list and these three are the initial

[0:48:13] Voice 14: suggestions and perhaps like we said and a couple of other people have said they they didn't like

[0:48:22] Voice 14: the wording rather than creating another webinar perhaps that could be changed to something else

[0:48:29] Voice 14: with a focus on, like, I don't know,

[0:48:33] Voice 14: this is again, on the fly, so I'm not very good at that.

[0:48:36] Voice 14: So I'll leave it at that.

[0:48:37] Voice 14: I think the focus here is,

[0:48:39] Voice 14: rather than creating a brand new webinar,

[0:48:41] Voice 14: let's take a look at those that are already in existence

[0:48:44] Voice 14: that are applicable to our islands.

[0:48:46] Voice 14: And then perhaps we can add onto them

[0:48:48] Voice 14: rather than creating it from scratch.

[0:48:50] Voice 14: Moving on to Trustee Harris.

[0:48:53] Voice 10: Thank you, it was very well put.

[0:48:54] Voice 10: And I want to thank Trustee Fast for her comments

[0:48:57] Voice 10: because i agree with with a lot of that um you know i think timing is um is important and the

[0:49:06] Voice 10: sooner the better um when come when it comes to dealing with wildfire um you know if we could get

[0:49:14] Voice 10: the motion back up on the screen that would be great so um instead of i would completely and

[0:49:20] Voice 10: to speak to what trustee peterson had said i'd very much welcome a um you know amendment to the

[0:49:27] Voice 10: the motion. I wonder if, you know, instead of rather, maybe it could be something along the

[0:49:35] Voice 10: lines of before deciding on creating another webinar or something of that nature, because

[0:49:43] Voice 10: it is, as you mentioned, Chair Evans, that, you know, do we just want to, we're trying to save

[0:49:50] Voice 10: some money here as well. And, and there's good resources that are out there already, quite

[0:49:55] Voice 10: quite possibly and maybe the focus that we could put that money towards would be more along the

[0:50:04] Voice 10: lines of maybe explaining what we need to be doing as far as fire breaks and things of that nature

[0:50:14] Voice 10: and thinning and but anyway I would I would welcome an amendment to the word rather and

[0:50:22] Voice 10: and possibly something that says something along the lines

[0:50:25] Voice 10: of before deciding a dollar reward.

[0:50:31] Voice 10: Maybe someone could help me with that.

[0:50:33] Voice 10: But before we just go and allocate that $5,000,

[0:50:36] Voice 10: I'll leave it at that and listen for comments.

[0:50:40] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:50:41] Voice 14: And just for clarification, Trustee Harris,

[0:50:43] Voice 14: it's not 5,000 per webinar,

[0:50:45] Voice 14: it's 5,000 for all of the webinars.

[0:50:49] Voice 14: So it'll be a portion of that

[0:50:50] Voice 14: that could potentially go towards something else.

[0:50:52] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:50:53] Voice 5: i'll let you

[0:50:53] Voice 14: i'll let you think on um what that wording can be unless somebody else can come up

[0:50:58] Voice 14: with it and trustee peterson uh

[0:51:03] Voice 9: thank you chair uh other comments triggered my memory which was uh

[0:51:09] Voice 9: about timing and so i just wanted to remind this committee that our next meeting is november 6th

[0:51:17] Voice 9: our next scheduled meeting so uh i bring this up because if we're going to ask staff to do

[0:51:25] Voice 9: something which is compile a list um we would want to have i believe we'd want to have an opportunity

[0:51:34] Voice 9: to review those materials prior to the november 6 meeting so that we're not going into november 6

[0:51:40] Voice 9: um you know then receiving the materials because especially if we're talking about getting

[0:51:46] Voice 9: uh the fire smart webinar out earlier in the year we're going to be running out of time so um one

[0:51:53] Voice 9: i i have a potential amendment but i would like to um maybe just check in with staff

[0:52:01] Voice 9: around this timing issue i don't want us to get in in a situation where um uh the the committee is

[0:52:11] Voice 9: as as i said is trying to review stuff at you know post november but i'm also aware that there's

[0:52:18] Voice 9: staff capacity issues as we've heard uh uh some other projects are that we want done are on hold

[0:52:24] Voice 9: because of staff capacity so i wonder if um if we could get maybe uh thoughts from staff on

[0:52:34] Voice 9: how likely is it that we could get a a list of potential resources to us you know

[0:52:41] Voice 9: in advance of november 6 that we we could go into that meeting you know with the at least

[0:52:47] Voice 9: the opportunity to review them and say hey you know what i think this one here is is the one

[0:52:52] Voice 9: And, you know, anyway, I'll leave it at that for the moment.

[0:52:58] Voice 14: Okay, I'm going to ask staff, Nicole, if she can address your question there.

[0:53:05] Voice 11: Sure, Claire might want to answer as well. I'll get Claire to go first and then I'll supplement info.

[0:53:11] Voice 11: Okay,

[0:53:13] Voice 12: what I would say in terms of compiling the applicable list of resources, we do

[0:53:16] Voice 12: know of a number in house that we were certainly going to look to and build on to create like an island specific webinar.

[0:53:21] Voice 12: webinar. However, I would likely approach this in a way that we could definitely achieve

[0:53:26] Voice 12: it for your November meeting, which would be to ask staff and trustees to share all

[0:53:29] Voice 12: that they know with us, and then we can compile everything that comes in. So I certainly feel

[0:53:33] Voice 12: like we could, using that sort of groupthink, we could achieve this for November. So you

[0:53:38] Voice 12: could have a list of resources for your November meeting. And while I have the floor, I'll

[0:53:42] Voice 12: just remind you, you could, in addition to this motion, when you look at the project

[0:53:47] Voice 12: charter motion, you can amend it such that you approve the project charter, you know,

[0:53:51] Voice 12: with the following changes and you could remove that webinar

[0:53:53] Voice 12: or change it when you get to that motion as well.

[0:53:56] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:53:57] Voice 5: Thanks for the reminder.

[0:53:59] Voice 5: Trustee Harris.

[0:54:01] Voice 10: Well, I would just propose an amendment

[0:54:05] Voice 10: and that would include taking out the

[0:54:08] Voice 5: words rather than

[0:54:30] Voice 5: and in their place, putting the word before.

[0:54:40] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:54:41] Voice 5: Do we have a seconder for the amendment?

[0:54:44] Voice 14: Are you finished with your amendment?

[0:54:46] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:54:46] Voice 14: Okay, do we have a seconder for the amendment?

[0:54:49] Voice 5: amendment? Second. Alex? Thank you. So it's been moved and seconded. Do we have any discussion

[0:54:58] Voice 5: on the amendment to the motion? I'm not seeing any hands going up. So

[0:55:10] Voice 14: I'm going to call the

[0:55:11] Voice 14: question on the amendment, which reads that, oh, Trustee Peterson? No. Okay. Which reads that the

[0:55:21] Voice 14: Trust Programs Committee amend the above motion to replace the words rather than with before,

[0:55:27] Voice 14: So that it reads, the Trust Programs Committee requests staff to compile a list of applicable wildfire webinar resources for the Trust Programs Committee review before creating another webinar.

[0:55:41] Voice 14: So all those in favor of

[0:55:43] Voice 5: the amendment, please raise your hand.

[0:55:56] Voice 5: Okay, and if we can

[0:55:58] Voice 14: lower our hands. Again, I'm sorry, it's just the way my computer is set up. I'm having a hard time seeing everybody all at once.

[0:56:04] Voice 14: If anyone is opposed to the amendment

[0:56:07] Voice 5: please raise your hand. Not seeing any, the amendment

[0:56:15] Voice 5: has been carried. Do

[0:56:18] Voice 5: we have any additional comments on the motion or can I call the

[0:56:22] Voice 5: question on the motion? Not seeing any hands I call the question that

[0:56:32] Voice 14: the Trust Programs

[0:56:33] Voice 14: Committee request staff to compile a list of applicable wildfire webinar resources for the

[0:56:38] Voice 14: Trust Programs Committee review before creating another webinar.

[0:56:43] Voice 5: All those in favor please raise

[0:56:45] Voice 5: raise your hand. Thank you. Please lower your hands. If any is opposed to the motion,

[0:57:03] Voice 5: please raise your hand. Thank you. Appreciate that. You can lower your hand.

[0:57:14] Voice 14: Oopsie. I don't

[0:57:15] Voice 14: know why I did that. Motion has carried. That was a mistake on my part. I did not mean to

[0:57:21] Voice 14: raise my hand at the end. So the amended motion has been carried. Thank you very much for the

[0:57:29] Voice 14: the discussion. I would now like to raise the question of moving the wildfire prevention

[0:57:40] Voice 14: from March to January so we can adjust the order that these are appearing.

[0:57:52] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson?

[0:57:53] Voice 5: some um oh well

[0:57:58] Voice 9: i do support uh moving the um moving this to earlier in the year i'm wondering

[0:58:05] Voice 9: if um if it might be good to give the staff some leeway and and say january or february and and

[0:58:17] Voice 9: part of that is is around the timing issue that i was just bringing up earlier so

[0:58:22] Voice 9: sounds

[0:58:24] Voice 14: good to me

[0:58:24] Voice 14: who hadn't quite gotten that far yet um trustee bothwick uh

[0:58:31] Voice 8: yeah i mean uh moving it up was sort

[0:58:35] Voice 8: of what i was trying to get at before too um i feel like giving it that bit of extra time is

[0:58:40] Voice 8: really good but um and i was basically going to say just now what what uh trustee peterson just

[0:58:45] Voice 8: said and i um and i would love to hear if director freighter has any thoughts on on that and just

[0:58:52] Voice 8: Yeah, is that going to put you guys in a in a tough spot. I think it is valuable to have this, you know, this webinar in an actionable timeframe, both for staff but also so that it can be put in the public frame in a time that is usable, as trustee

[0:59:14] Voice 8: like I was saying before so yeah.

[0:59:17] Voice 14: Perhaps I'm going to just maybe seeing as you've raised a

[0:59:20] Voice 14: question I'm going to ask staff if they can respond to the question and perhaps that'll

[0:59:26] Voice 14: answer a few other people as well. Okay as I see Gillian has her hand up

[0:59:32] Voice 12: I'll defer to her and I

[0:59:33] Voice 12: can supplement as needed.

[0:59:35] Voice 11: Yeah so the reason why we had suggested the water webinars to be January

[0:59:39] Voice 11: February is because it actually works well with the freshwater sustainability strategy workload

[0:59:45] Voice 11: workload. But I think what we could do, we had in our framework, we had suggested one per month,

[0:59:51] Voice 11: but we could always do like one every three weeks or something like that. So one could be at the end

[0:59:55] Voice 11: of January, one could be middle of February, and one at the very beginning of March or something

[0:59:59] Voice 11: something like that.

[1:00:00] Voice 11: um so i think it still will work with uh that timeline um for fresh water stuff so that was

[1:00:05] Voice 11: another reason why we had suggested march originally so i think i think it'll i think

[1:00:09] Voice 11: it'll be fine do you want

[1:00:12] Voice 11: to add anything yeah

[1:00:14] Voice 12: i would just advise the committee we can't get

[1:00:16] Voice 12: direction in november for a january webinar that would be too tight um particularly as we have

[1:00:20] Voice 12: budget consultation sort of gearing up at that time frame as well but for later february you

[1:00:25] Voice 12: You know, possibly, yes.

[1:00:29] Voice 14: Perfect.

[1:00:29] Voice 14: I think that will address the concerns that have been raised in here regarding the timing

[1:00:34] Voice 14: for wildfire prevention activities that need to happen well in advance of the season.

[1:00:43] Voice 14: And if anyone has any other comments regarding that, I'll let them raise their hands again.

[1:00:52] Voice 14: Okay, back to the speaker's list.

[1:00:54] Voice 14: Trustee Fast.

[1:00:56] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[1:00:57] Trustee Fast: Yeah, just supporting the idea of giving staff some flexibility around when early in the season, so January or February, whatever works, partly because they may wish, and the committee may wish to build the webinar around some featured speakers, and they will have their own schedules as well.

[1:01:17] Trustee Fast: It's good to get speakers that you know are going to, anyway,

[1:01:23] Voice 14: that's all.

[1:01:25] Voice 14: Thank you very much. Good points.

[1:01:28] Voice 14: um trustee allen yeah

[1:01:30] Trustee Allen: thank you chair yeah and as director freighter said earlier it's not just

[1:01:34] Trustee Allen: staff we can uh we can do the research ourselves and forward uh webinars and even um our local

[1:01:40] Trustee Allen: fire chiefs so we might have lots of material that we can uh open up with brilliant

[1:01:46] Voice 14: yes um

[1:01:48] Voice 14: and uh trustee harris thank

[1:01:51] Voice 10: you um speaking on the um fresh water um issue and um

[1:01:59] Voice 10: sustainability and that could we not maybe have some sort of a review of all prior

[1:02:08] Voice 10: webinars on freshwater if there have been you know how many has there been and is that something we

[1:02:15] Voice 10: can maybe look at just

[1:02:17] Voice 5: some thoughts love to hear what you think okay

[1:02:23] Voice 14: I don't know was that a

[1:02:25] Voice 14: question to staff or was that a question to the committee as a whole and

[1:02:29] Voice 10: that was a question to

[1:02:29] Voice 10: the committee as a whole because maybe there's some good resources that have already been put

[1:02:34] Voice 10: out there that we could look at rather than you know rehashing old you know prior or previous

[1:02:46] Voice 10: studies. I wonder if there's quite a few of them that are already out there that we could maybe

[1:02:51] Voice 10: look at and help us make some decisions from those.

[1:02:56] Voice 14: I would maybe turn that question over to

[1:02:59] Voice 14: staff but my personal feel on that is especially when it comes to groundwater there's been a lot of

[1:03:08] Voice 14: new headway so I think going back and reusing old webinars may not be the best when it comes

[1:03:14] Voice 14: to freshwater but I'm not I'm no expert there so I'll turn it over to staff and see if they have

[1:03:19] Voice 14: any answers to your questions.

[1:03:21] Voice 12: Yeah I'm happy to take this one these webinars are intended to be

[1:03:25] Voice 12: first-time information so we'd be presenting a summary of the freshwater sustainability strategy

[1:03:30] Voice 12: strategy, as well as sort of a new video that's been promoted, and then a tour of new mapping

[1:03:37] Voice 12: tools that will be available. So this will be new information. Perfect, thank you. Yeah,

[1:03:43] Voice 14: and what I

[1:03:43] Voice 14: would say we have,

[1:03:44] Voice 12: what we could share is the second webinar talks about well management. We

[1:03:48] Voice 12: have done prior on-island workshops around that, but we know we've had a huge population turnover

[1:03:55] Voice 12: in the islands, and it was delivered in an on, like an in-person context. So there was a limited

[1:04:00] Voice 12: number of people that participated that one we can certainly if you want to look at what was

[1:04:03] Voice 12: offered previously the summaries are on the stewardship education page i believe and if not

[1:04:08] Voice 12: we can circulate that to the committee but there again it would be similar information but it was

[1:04:13] Voice 12: it's been quite a number of years and we did have a limited audience at that time perfect that's

[1:04:19] Voice 14: that's kind of what i felt so i appreciate that um okay so i think we've had a really good discussion

[1:04:27] Voice 14: on this we've had some some good suggestions and we have a motion on the on the floor and I think

[1:04:35] Voice 14: um do we need to put anything formally that each of us are going to do our own research

[1:04:42] Voice 14: um to make it an actionable item or are we going to all just be um responsible committee members

[1:04:51] Voice 14: and and at least commit a couple of hours to going out to see what we can find that's in

[1:04:56] Voice 14: in existence on our on our own islands or resources that are specifically applicable to

[1:05:00] Voice 14: trust islands and send that over to staff rater and to staff nickel um hopefully within let's say

[1:05:08] Voice 14: if we can get it to them by september 15th that would be helpful because they still need time to

[1:05:14] Voice 14: pull this together so let's not do it the week before the meeting um

[1:05:19] Voice 5: trustee allen yeah hi have

[1:05:24] Voice 5: Have we discussed the project charter?

[1:05:28] Voice 5: Are

[1:05:28] Trustee Allen: we skipping out?

[1:05:29] Trustee Allen: I just hope that she comments.

[1:05:31] Voice 14: We haven't discussed the project charter yet,

[1:05:35] Voice 14: but we can, perhaps.

[1:05:41] Voice 5: Whoever the eagle eye, the first under purpose.

[1:05:46] Voice 12: Gillian, can I just intervene for a minute?

[1:05:48] Voice 12: Gillian, could you please bring it back on screen?

[1:05:49] Voice 5: It'd be helpful, I think.

[1:05:52] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:06:01] Voice 5: Purpose, support sound educates.

[1:06:04] Voice 5: i

[1:06:06] Trustee Allen: support sand okay yes and then and then the background last sentence in response staff

[1:06:15] Trustee Allen: proposed no the webinar set up below will aim to enhance the capacity of individuals communities

[1:06:20] Trustee Allen: in islands and trust area to in something something is missing between trust area

[1:06:25] Trustee Allen: and intangible practical

[1:06:27] Voice 5: citizen community-based ways do you see what i'm saying

[1:06:35] Voice 5: aim to enhance the capacity of individuals and

[1:06:38] Trustee Allen: communities in the island's trust area

[1:06:39] Trustee Allen: i guess intangible that's going to say

[1:06:41] Voice 5: something more that was a lucid moment yesterday no more

[1:06:48] Voice 5: i think i

[1:06:51] Voice 14: think you need the word and between practical and citizen is

[1:06:54] Trustee Allen: that it okay and i like

[1:06:57] Trustee Allen: the exclamation mark behind in scope our shared responsibility

[1:07:03] Voice 5: we should have exclamation marks

[1:07:04] Voice 5: behind everything um sorry that's all i have to say

[1:07:15] Voice 5: thank you um trustee peterson uh

[1:07:23] Voice 9: thank you chair i recognize that the motion that we passed uh is

[1:07:27] Voice 9: asking staff to compile and we we have said that we will pass along anything we find uh members of

[1:07:34] Voice 9: the committee i'm wondering if it is worth considering um and maybe this would come for you

[1:07:40] Voice 9: from you chair evans uh considering um canvassing all the trustees uh you know just a one-timer if

[1:07:51] Voice 9: you have if you know of a webinar type because maybe there's somebody on gambier or galliano

[1:07:59] Voice 9: or someone else who's not represented on this community in this committee that has says hey

[1:08:04] Voice 9: i know a great one so just uh i just thought that that might be knows broaden our net there

[1:08:09] Voice 9: um just as a thought okay

[1:08:12] Voice 14: i i appreciate that thought and i would love to be able to do that

[1:08:15] Voice 14: however if i'm going to be opening up a conversation with all of the trust council

[1:08:22] Voice 14: um that i think would have to be driven through staff because otherwise it's going to become a

[1:08:27] Voice 14: conversation and uh there are i think potential liabilities of quorum in a conversation that is

[1:08:34] Voice 14: held outside of the even even though it's something as benign as this i would think

[1:08:38] Voice 14: I would prefer that staff just send that email out and see if anybody else drives anything back

[1:08:45] Voice 14: rather than me being the focal point there Steph Rader um

[1:08:51] Voice 12: it would be helpful to have a motion to

[1:08:52] Voice 12: that effect just to make sure we track everything correctly and understand so if you don't try and

[1:08:56] Voice 14: put that into words uh trustee Peterson or do you have something off the top of

[1:09:02] Voice 9: your head I I I can

[1:09:04] Voice 9: i can try and wing it here um i suppose i was for just bringing up the concept that as it as it came

[1:09:13] Voice 9: to me um but maybe it would be something like that trust programs committee requests staff

[1:09:25] Voice 5: to ask trustees for suggestions

[1:09:36] Voice 5: on wildfire prevention webinar resources.

[1:09:46] Voice 5: Applicable to the Islands Trust area.

[1:09:50] Voice 5: Excellent.

[1:09:57] Voice 5: I think I just froze for a second.

[1:10:00] Voice 14: I was just, I don't know if you heard me.

[1:10:02] Voice 14: I was just saying perhaps we can add on the end.

[1:10:04] Voice 14: Applicable to the Islands Trust area.

[1:10:06] Voice 14: oh yes there it is yeah all

[1:10:08] Voice 14: good thank you um okay do we have a second trustee ellen is your

[1:10:14] Voice 14: hand up for seconding the motion thank you very much okay let's open up discussion on the motion

[1:10:21] Voice 14: trustee allen yeah

[1:10:24] Trustee Allen: are we just looking at just webinar research or we can we not look at other

[1:10:28] Trustee Allen: information as well and forward it like information from our local police chiefs i'm sorry please

[1:10:34] Trustee Allen: fire chiefs at least where does it come from guilty of something um yeah so uh i just wondered

[1:10:43] Trustee Allen: whether we can just a webinar and other resources possibly friendly amendment webinars

[1:10:49] Voice 5: and other

[1:10:50] Voice 5: resources the silence is deafening yeah it is

[1:10:59] Voice 14: it is silence because um there there really

[1:11:01] Voice 14: aren't friendly amendments anymore okay

[1:11:05] Voice 5: um

[1:11:06] Voice 14: but i'm going to refer to staff on this

[1:11:11] Voice 12: um i think staff know your intent which is to get sample webinars that already exist as well

[1:11:16] Voice 12: as potential list of resource and resource people i think with this direction i can craft an email

[1:11:21] Voice 12: out to everyone that i think will be your intent thank

[1:11:26] Voice 14: you um okay trustee

[1:11:29] Trustee Fast: fast yeah i was just

[1:11:30] Trustee Fast: gonna uh add um you know webinar resources and maybe there are other online links that people

[1:11:37] Trustee Fast: will want to pass around and i'll just leave i don't think it needs to change to the um

[1:11:43] Trustee Fast: motion.

[1:11:45] Voice 14: Thank you appreciate that. Okay if there are no further discussion on this I'm going to

[1:11:51] Voice 14: raise the question does anyone have any further discussion on the motion? Okay so on the motion

[1:11:59] Voice 14: I'm going to raise the question that Trust Programs Committee request staff to ask trustees

[1:12:04] Voice 14: for suggestions on wildfire prevention webinar resources applicable to the Islands Trust area.

[1:12:11] Voice 14: area. All

[1:12:12] Voice 5: those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you. Please lower your hand. And if any are

[1:12:25] Voice 5: opposed, please raise your hand. Not seeing any opposed,

[1:12:34] Voice 14: this motion is carried. And thank you,

[1:12:37] Voice 14: Staff Rater, for agreeing to take that on. Trustee Luckham?

[1:12:43] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to add

[1:12:45] Voice 2: into the potential conversation for staff's benefit. It would also be, I think, helpful

[1:12:52] Voice 2: for LTCs to know where there is some grants or financial resources for some of the equipment

[1:13:01] Voice 2: that is necessary on some of the islands. And so that can be woven into that. Thetis was successful

[1:13:08] Voice 2: in getting a grant through UBCM to buy some equipment for structural protection, which is

[1:13:13] Voice 2: units, which is something that is deployed ahead of a wildfire situation. And I think we can't

[1:13:20] Voice 2: have a webinar without out addressing that there are financial implications for communities. So

[1:13:26] Voice 2: any kind of other material like that, I think would be helpful. Thank you.

[1:13:31] Voice 5: Thank

[1:13:31] Voice 14: you. Okay. Do we have any other discussion on the project charter section?

[1:13:44] Voice 14: Okay. Trustee Luckin, you have your hand up still. Okay. Trustee Fast.

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: um yeah just on the uh project charter i'm looking at page 19 and uh just thinking we

[1:14:00] Trustee Fast: we've talked already about changing the date march 2024 um but also whether we want to change

[1:14:08] Trustee Fast: that date for webinar number uh three do we need to do that in an official way or have staff taken

[1:14:15] Trustee Fast: in the comments before we move to endorse the Charter?

[1:14:22] Trustee Fast: I apologize, I froze.

[1:14:24] Voice 14: So I missed the question.

[1:14:27] Trustee Fast: It was just whether, I mean,

[1:14:31] Trustee Fast: we've already talked about changing the year

[1:14:34] Trustee Fast: and we've talked about changing March

[1:14:36] Trustee Fast: for the wildfire webinar.

[1:14:41] Trustee Fast: Have staff just taken in those comments

[1:14:43] Trustee Fast: or do we need something formal

[1:14:44] Trustee Fast: before we move to endorse the Charter?

[1:14:47] Trustee Fast: So this is a question for Claire, for Director Frater.

[1:14:51] Voice 12: So I think you can adopt the charter if you if you are committed to delivering three webinars.

[1:14:57] Voice 12: I think you can adopt the charter as is. It says January to March.

[1:15:01] Voice 12: And I think we've heard your request that we, you know, try and get it done January, February.

[1:15:05] Voice 12: If we run into some bumps, we'll report back to you at your November meeting and we can provide the charter at that time for a different amendment.

[1:15:12] Voice 12: But if you want to provide three and you want to provide them

[1:15:14] Voice 12: with them at January to March timeframe,

[1:15:16] Voice 12: I think you could adopt this charter as presented.

[1:15:19] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'd like to move chair that trust program.

[1:15:23] Trustee Fast: I'm reading from the cover page

[1:15:25] Trustee Fast: that trust programs committee endorsed the speakers series

[1:15:28] Trustee Fast: project charter dated August 28th, 2023.

[1:15:33] Trustee Fast: And trustee

[1:15:34] Voice 14: Peterson has seconded.

[1:15:36] Voice 9: I was going to add as amended because we did.

[1:15:41] Voice 9: correct

[1:15:41] Voice 14: correct thank you for catching that

[1:15:47] Voice 14: okay

[1:15:48] Voice 9: i'm happy to second that

[1:15:49] Voice 14: thank you is there any other discussion on on this topic

[1:15:56] Voice 14: not seeing any hands raised the

[1:16:02] Voice 5: question is called all those in favor please raise your hand

[1:16:06] Voice 5: thank you very much please lower your hand and any opposed please raise your hand

[1:16:19] Voice 5: not seeing any opposed this is carried

[1:16:25] Voice 14: thank you very much for this discussion all right the next

[1:16:31] Voice 14: item on our agenda whoopsie i can just get this to work is the questionnaire regarding

[1:16:41] Voice 14: the potential speaker series topics so we've had um we've had a good chat so far

[1:16:49] Voice 14: and I'll turn this over I believe this is going back to you Steph Rader for introduction or is

[1:16:56] Voice 14: this going to Steph Nichol for Steph Nichol thank

[1:17:00] Voice 5: you yes

[1:17:02] Voice 11: thank you chair so this briefing

[1:17:06] Voice 11: is meant to provide you with a survey that we've created or questionnaire that we've created

[1:17:14] Voice 11: in response to the motion that was passed on May 15th,

[1:17:19] Voice 11: trust programs can request staff to consider methods

[1:17:21] Voice 11: to solicit topics from trust area residents

[1:17:24] Voice 11: for further stewardship education webinars.

[1:17:26] Voice 11: This is intended for next fiscal,

[1:17:31] Voice 11: so 2024 to 2025 of the stewardship education

[1:17:37] Voice 11: planning program.

[1:17:39] Voice 11: We did create this back in July,

[1:17:41] Voice 11: but we felt staff and chair felt that perhaps we shouldn't introduce it to the public in August

[1:17:50] Voice 11: most people are on vacation so we thought that we'd bring the questionnaire to the committee

[1:17:58] Voice 11: and then we would share it at the beginning of September when people are back

[1:18:05] Voice 11: in their normal day-to-day life or yeah so I'm here to answer any questions

[1:18:12] Voice 11: and if uh trustee claire or if claire if claire would like to supplement anything she can

[1:18:19] Voice 14: thank you steph nickel um steph rita do you have anything to add

[1:18:23] Voice 12: no we'd be happy to hear your

[1:18:25] Voice 12: feedback on the proposed questionnaire ideally we would try to keep it as short as possible to

[1:18:29] Voice 12: promote high completion rates yes

[1:18:32] Voice 14: and it's nice to see like and i was just thinking that when when

[1:18:34] Voice 14: this pops up it would be nice to say there are um two questions because then when people open it

[1:18:41] Voice 14: they know they only have to answer two questions um because okay anyway trustee allen

[1:18:47] Trustee Allen: it's actually

[1:18:49] Trustee Allen: three questions um two

[1:18:51] Voice 14: questions and the option no

[1:18:53] Trustee Allen: and then where do you live um anyways i thought

[1:18:56] Trustee Allen: it was funny because i weighed the whole introduction about the questionnaire i said

[1:18:59] Trustee Allen: oh my god it's going to be this huge survey oh god and then i turn around these friendly three

[1:19:04] Trustee Allen: questions and uh um i was just wondering do we need are you planning on getting all this

[1:19:09] Trustee Allen: information before our meeting in November is that what's planned and also I'm looking at because

[1:19:15] Trustee Allen: it's only two questions if it's on the island I'm definitely going to look at doing an outreach

[1:19:21] Trustee Allen: in person because just a couple of questions like outside the co-op on Hornby Island I

[1:19:27] Trustee Allen: encourage maybe other trustees to do that because because it's just a friendly little

[1:19:32] Trustee Allen: couple questions and also you know how people are with questionnaires they don't always answer them

[1:19:38] Trustee Allen: that's my just call it thank you thank

[1:19:41] Voice 5: you oh

[1:19:43] Trustee Allen: yes the answer the question was when do you want all

[1:19:45] Trustee Allen: this information back bye

[1:19:47] Voice 12: staff rata um certainly we will be keeping it i can't remember the sir

[1:19:55] Voice 12: we were going to keep it open a couple of weeks i believe um and the intention is to have the

[1:19:59] Voice 12: feedback ready for your november meeting at which point you know you'll you will have already

[1:20:03] Voice 12: ideally today advanced a business case but at that point if you wanted to reflect on that in

[1:20:08] Voice 12: terms of what education you want to provide and in what manner you would have the feedback from

[1:20:12] Voice 12: this survey to reflect on in November in case there was a change of heart around how you wanted

[1:20:16] Voice 12: to deliver that okay

[1:20:19] Voice 14: um yeah so like I was saying I think it would be helpful in the first page when

[1:20:26] Voice 14: it pops up to say that there are um you know x number of questions have we want to phrase that

[1:20:32] Voice 14: that so that people know it's it's short um i think that will help people

[1:20:37] Voice 5: respond quicker

[1:20:41] Voice 5: um

[1:20:44] Voice 14: if it if it could be yeah because you said you're going to keep it open for a couple of

[1:20:48] Voice 14: weeks like is that two weeks or three weeks so typically

[1:20:50] Voice 11: uh i can answer that question um so

[1:20:52] Voice 11: typically we uh keep questionnaires open for like yeah two weeks two three weeks two weeks is

[1:20:59] Voice 11: typical um but we can definitely open up the three weeks if that's the desire um yeah no

[1:21:08] Voice 14: no worries i

[1:21:09] Voice 14: was just i was just curious as to to making sure that people actually respond some some people put

[1:21:14] Voice 14: their emails aside and then come back to them um and i know that you guys send out reminders so

[1:21:19] Voice 14: that's that's great uh trustee fast yeah

[1:21:23] Trustee Fast: thank you i just support the idea of two weeks because

[1:21:26] Trustee Fast: Because that seems, in my online community working stuff, if you give a deadline longer than two weeks, it drifts off into the pile of things to do later. If it's a two-week deadline, people still have it in their mind and they get to it.

[1:21:41] Trustee Fast: it secondly um just uh uh i i support the idea of saying it's short but i actually would test it

[1:21:49] Trustee Fast: and say this um questionnaire will take no longer than you know or expect to take about

[1:21:56] Trustee Fast: three minutes or whatever it's going to be put put the a time estimate in there it helps people

[1:22:02] Trustee Fast: uh uh decide to go ahead and do it thank you if we want the input just some suggestions nothing

[1:22:09] Trustee Fast: and no that's all yeah

[1:22:11] Voice 14: i think she's already got that in there it's uh estimated to take oh yeah

[1:22:15] Voice 14: sorry but no good good point that's sort of what where i was getting to uh trustee ellen no you

[1:22:21] Trustee Allen: just said what i was going to say thank you no

[1:22:24] Voice 5: problem all right um do we have any other comments

[1:22:31] Voice 5: or

[1:22:31] Voice 14: is somebody willing to move the question so chair this

[1:22:37] Voice 12: was a briefing we were simply we're

[1:22:39] Voice 12: planning to proceed as per the direction we have. This was just to seek your input and feedback on

[1:22:43] Voice 12: the manner in which we plan to do it. Right.

[1:22:46] Voice 14: So I was looking at the one above. So yes, this is

[1:22:48] Voice 14: briefing. Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. I'm not seeing anybody else having anything to add. So thank

[1:22:55] Voice 14: you very much. This looks like a good survey. Looking forward to seeing the results. Thank you.

[1:23:02] Voice 14: All right. The next item that we have on our agenda is a request for a decision. And then,

[1:23:10] Voice 14: wait yes this is uh section 7.3 secretariat role to forums within the trust area 73.1

[1:23:19] Voice 14: secretariat services to the coastal douglas for conservation partnership and this is a request

[1:23:24] Voice 14: for a decision i will move this over to um staff brater to introduce uh

[1:23:32] Voice 12: certainly um i'll just

[1:23:34] Voice 12: we're bringing this back to you you had previously contemplated um providing secretariat services

[1:23:39] Voice 12: services to various coordination groups. At the time, there was some concern around providing it

[1:23:45] Voice 12: to the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation Partnership. Their staff have reached out to ask if I could

[1:23:51] Voice 12: re-add it to the agenda to be reconsidered, so I have done so. I will note in your funding,

[1:23:56] Voice 12: you had left some funding. I'm just coming here to see. Sorry, I didn't prepare my notes on this

[1:24:02] Voice 12: one you had left some money and i will just i apologize i haven't here 2600 remains unallocated

[1:24:10] Voice 12: um for you to contemplate if you wish to provide um support to the this coordination partnership

[1:24:17] Voice 12: if there's additional information you need you could ask staff to get that for you um so really

[1:24:22] Voice 12: with that i think the information you have is in your agenda and happy to take questions and i just

[1:24:28] Voice 14: wanted to remind people the reason why this was not allocated in the beginning was it had to do

[1:24:34] Voice 14: with the way that the wording was being presented I think on their website and we just wanted to

[1:24:39] Voice 14: make sure that the direction that we're going in and their website were aligning and I don't know

[1:24:45] Voice 14: if that's happened so if that hasn't happened does our previous reasoning and motion still stand?

[1:24:56] Voice 14: I

[1:24:56] Voice 12: can speak to that. I understand they are also undertaking a review of their language and do plan to make some changes to reflect the research that's been going on and the refinement of language that we've been undertaking.

[1:25:07] Voice 12: Okay, so that has not happened yet. It's in progress.

[1:25:11] Voice 12: I don't know. I know it was in motion. I haven't actually checked to see if there's been changes that have happened.

[1:25:17] Voice 12: Okay, so I

[1:25:17] Voice 14: think we need to have that information first before we can make a decision.

[1:25:22] Voice 14: take

[1:25:22] Voice 12: a quick look

[1:25:23] Voice 14: and

[1:25:25] Voice 12: we could always i could always just send a quick message and report back

[1:25:28] Voice 12: to you later in this meeting if that would be helpful sure that would be great um

[1:25:32] Voice 14: but i think

[1:25:33] Voice 14: i think then we would still need to be able to as a as a committee uh review it in advance

[1:25:40] Voice 14: ourselves for due diligence too so it may be that this has to come back to our november meeting

[1:25:47] Voice 14: um so i'm going to just leave my comments there and move over to the speakers list

[1:25:52] Voice 14: and perhaps come back to any other comments

[1:25:55] Voice 14: that I've got left outstanding.

[1:25:56] Voice 14: Trustee Harris.

[1:25:59] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:26:00] Voice 10: I would have to agree with you Chair Evans

[1:26:05] Voice 10: on we would want to review that information

[1:26:08] Voice 10: before we can make a decision on this.

[1:26:10] Voice 10: I'm still very against funding the CDFCP at this point.

[1:26:17] Voice 10: The wording of the CDFCP has been at odds with the forest.

[1:26:23] Voice 10: in the Island's Trust area.

[1:26:25] Voice 10: For example, CDFCP warding covers the whole CDF zone

[1:26:30] Voice 10: where urbanization of Victoria, Saanich and Nanaimo

[1:26:33] Voice 10: even Metro Vancouver is reducing forest areas.

[1:26:36] Voice 10: This doesn't apply to the Island's Trust area.

[1:26:38] Voice 10: Over 70% of contiguous solid forest is what we have here.

[1:26:46] Voice 10: So I've got a whole bunch of stuff I've written out here,

[1:26:49] Voice 10: here, but maybe we can just wait before I get too in depth.

[1:26:54] Voice 10: Again, I think we need to, I agree with you

[1:26:58] Voice 10: and I'd be happy to have this deferred

[1:27:00] Voice 10: until we can have a more clear idea

[1:27:04] Voice 10: of what the CDF CP has done to alleviate

[1:27:08] Voice 10: the initial problem we had when we decided not to fund them.

[1:27:12] Voice 10: Thanks.

[1:27:14] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:27:15] Voice 14: Trustee Allen.

[1:27:16] Voice 14: Thank

[1:27:17] Trustee Allen: you, Chair. You raised my first concern. And then also, there's a comment, Gillian,

[1:27:24] Trustee Allen: regarding we do not provide funding, we provide contracted support, but yet the Secretary of

[1:27:30] Trustee Allen: Service, there's allocated funding, there's funding, funding, allocated funding, funding

[1:27:35] Trustee Allen: source. And so I was just confused what the difference between funding and support and why

[1:27:41] Trustee Allen: that was uh why that was noted because uh it's funding isn't it not so i was just interested

[1:27:48] Voice 5: why that why that comment was uh on our package yeah i

[1:27:54] Voice 14: can ask uh staff to answer that question

[1:27:57] Voice 14: please sorry trustee

[1:27:59] Voice 12: peterson could you point us more specifically to what you're asking about like

[1:28:03] Voice 12: which sec which rating it's

[1:28:05] Trustee Allen: trustee allen um oh trustee allen so

[1:28:08] Trustee Allen: sorry trustee freighter um

[1:28:10] Trustee Allen: um uh there was a no i i had this little balloon i don't know if everybody else had it but it was

[1:28:17] Trustee Allen: from jillian nickel regarding we don't supply we don't provide funding we provide support because

[1:28:23] Trustee Allen: in that letter from when the letter they kept on like i've lost count how many times they mentioned

[1:28:28] Trustee Allen: the word funding in their letter but um it was a lot and so i was just interested in terms of

[1:28:35] Trustee Allen: we do provide funding is that not right i just wanted clarification

[1:28:38] Trustee Allen: Yes.

[1:28:39] Voice 12: So in the past, prior to the act being changed to enable council to give grants, we were very careful around the language here.

[1:28:48] Voice 12: I'm being less concerned at this point. So we offer support through either direct staff time or financial support towards administration to a body of which we are a member.

[1:29:00] Voice 12: So it is either a straight administrative support. So we generically use the word support.

[1:29:04] Voice 12: support at this time I don't think we are proposing to allocate staff time because we don't actually

[1:29:08] Voice 12: have administrative people in trust area services at this time to really offer that so it's really

[1:29:13] Voice 12: just financial support we're offering towards coordination so it's really semantics with no

[1:29:17] Voice 5: consequence at this point thank you uh trustee Peterson um

[1:29:28] Voice 9: thank you and and I I absolutely

[1:29:30] Voice 9: understand the concern with um the accuracy of information on the website I just wanted to remind

[1:29:38] Voice 9: mind us all in case we've uh forgotten that among the many different partners of the cdf

[1:29:46] Voice 9: um this group uh also include the senior uh environment canada

[1:29:54] Voice 9: and the british columbia ministry of environment so um

[1:30:00] Voice 9: I support our drive for accuracy and I just wanted to note that those two senior levels

[1:30:07] Voice 9: of government are also members of the partnership.

[1:30:11] Voice 5: Thank you so much for that reminder.

[1:30:16] Voice 14: I'm going to skip over you, Trustee Harris, and I'm going to go to Trustee Borthwick as he hasn't

[1:30:20] Voice 14: spoken yet. Is that all right? Okay, thank you. Trustee Borthwick?

[1:30:24] Voice 8: Yeah, this is quick.

[1:30:27] Voice 8: I think we should absolutely, like if we've decided to withhold this in the past because

[1:30:33] Voice 8: as we were waiting for things to change you know we should see that that has happened and i totally

[1:30:39] Voice 8: yeah um however i do uh just want and this is more for my own information and perhaps director

[1:30:45] Voice 8: can can answer this we are obviously getting fairly late into the year uh to be making this

[1:30:52] Voice 8: decision one way or another for for you know uh for for their on their behalf but also for our

[1:30:58] Voice 8: own budget um you know they have other partners they have other you know significant people

[1:31:05] Voice 8: involved but um you know waiting longer on this does that what are the what are the impacts i

[1:31:13] Voice 8: guess that we would expect them to see uh for waiting until november uh to to withhold that

[1:31:22] Voice 8: funding um that's the only question but i'm i think we do need to be you know cognizant of

[1:31:26] Voice 8: of the timeframe for everybody,

[1:31:28] Voice 8: but also we need to make sure that our concerns

[1:31:30] Voice 8: are being addressed, so yeah.

[1:31:34] Voice 12: Okay, I have messaged them to see if I can get an answer

[1:31:37] Voice 12: to the edits having been completed so far.

[1:31:40] Voice 12: Certainly with regard to your budget, it remains unspent.

[1:31:42] Voice 12: There's no pressure to spend immediately.

[1:31:45] Voice 12: On their end, I can't speak for them,

[1:31:47] Voice 12: but I understand they do operate on a fiscal year.

[1:31:48] Voice 12: It just assists with their planning to know

[1:31:50] Voice 12: whether or not they're going to be getting that support,

[1:31:51] Voice 12: I would suggest.

[1:31:53] Voice 12: Yeah, I just had a text arrived.

[1:31:55] Voice 12: Let me see if that's related.

[1:31:56] Voice 12: no um so at this point what i could suggest i may hear back shortly i'm not sure um if their

[1:32:01] Voice 12: coordinator is at her desk you could postpone consideration of this to the end of your meeting

[1:32:05] Voice 12: to see if i hear back otherwise you could postpone consideration to november or proceed

[1:32:09] Voice 12: with a decision okay

[1:32:14] Voice 14: thank you so yes if you do hear back let us know uh what what information

[1:32:18] Voice 14: you get um and we can pick up the discussion later on when more information comes comes in

[1:32:26] Voice 14: Okay,

[1:32:29] Voice 5: over to you, Trustee Harris.

[1:32:33] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:32:35] Voice 5: Yes,

[1:32:36] Voice 10: I'm in favor of clearly deferring this over.

[1:32:40] Voice 10: You know, as Trustee Peterson had mentioned, accuracy is very important.

[1:32:43] Voice 10: And he mentioned that senior governments are also partnered with CDFCP.

[1:32:48] Voice 10: And I really wonder if everybody is aware of inaccuracies and if some of this has just

[1:32:59] Voice 10: kind of slipped by and people didn't even realize it as was going on here clearly and um it was up

[1:33:06] Voice 10: to community members to um ring some alarm bells and say there's some major inaccuracies here and

[1:33:12] Voice 10: what's affecting our communities in a in a negative way um i you know i had questions um one

[1:33:21] Voice 10: question is on what basis did this islands trust staff cut and paste the wording from the cdfcp

[1:33:31] Voice 10: to the to the island's trust area without consulting a registered professional forester

[1:33:37] Voice 10: first and if that was the case why it's and what can we do to alleviate that in the future

[1:33:47] Voice 10: I part of me is it a possible motion or just something for consideration of something for

[1:33:55] Voice 10: conversation if we would talk about something along the lines of the staff providing trust

[1:34:00] Voice 10: programs committee

[1:34:01] Voice 5: with a

[1:34:08] Voice 10: 2023 2024 budget item to confirm statements on the forest of the

[1:34:13] Voice 10: island stressed area by a registered professional forester um i don't know if this makes any sense

[1:34:20] Voice 10: to anybody um

[1:34:21] Voice 5: i'd love to hear some thoughts i'm

[1:34:26] Voice 14: not sure i fully followed what you were saying

[1:34:29] Voice 14: trustee harris and i'm not sure exactly what the question was either okay

[1:34:36] Voice 10: i would love to

[1:34:36] Voice 10: to reiterate, so I have questions to start again

[1:34:42] Voice 10: on the whole, you know,

[1:34:46] Voice 4: what's all this-

[1:34:47] Voice 10: Chair

[1:34:48] Voice 4: Evans, I might just suggest

[1:34:49] Voice 10: that this is a different

[1:34:51] Voice 10: topic than the funding.

[1:34:52] Voice 10: I'm talking about exactly what we're talking about

[1:34:54] Voice 10: and I take offense to being interrupted.

[1:34:59] Voice 14: Yes, thank you, Trustee Locke.

[1:35:01] Voice 14: But yes, if you have something to say,

[1:35:03] Voice 14: please raise your hand.

[1:35:04] Voice 14: um

[1:35:05] Voice 10: to go back to your question um chair evans um another saying what i was saying maybe i'll just

[1:35:15] Voice 10: try and put it into a couple different sections so i do have a question and and i'd love to i've you

[1:35:21] Voice 10: know i've had concerns on what basis again did this that staff take information from the cdfcp

[1:35:30] Voice 10: and just copy and paste it word for word onto the island's trust website that's what got us

[1:35:34] Voice 10: and all this i was going to just

[1:35:36] Voice 14: uh okay so i i i understand what you're saying there now trustee

[1:35:39] Voice 14: harris um that i don't think has any relevance to their request for funding or their request for

[1:35:46] Voice 14: support well the

[1:35:47] Voice 14: topic that we're having here is uh specifically regarding their letter requesting

[1:35:53] Voice 14: us to consider their application for support well i guess it's a different topic i'm

[1:36:02] Voice 10: sorry i guess

[1:36:03] Voice 10: I draw a different conclusion there. But anyways, I'm clearly not prepared to offer my support and

[1:36:11] Voice 10: giving any support to the CDFCP at this point.

[1:36:14] Voice 14: Okay, thank you. So yeah, I was just really

[1:36:17] Voice 14: confused with where you were going with your question. I think I get it now. Okay, so I would

[1:36:23] Voice 14: suggest

[1:36:23] Voice 5: that you're concerned. I think our chair has frozen. Yeah. Okay. Just making sure it wasn't

[1:36:38] Voice 5: just me maybe we'll just did I freeze again

[1:36:43] Voice 14: yes okay

[1:36:45] Voice 14: thank you so I'll repeat because I don't

[1:36:47] Voice 14: know how much you heard and I do apologize for my internet um I think I understand what your

[1:36:53] Voice 14: question is now trustee Harris what I would recommend is that you raise that concern for

[1:36:57] Voice 14: as a topic for our next discussion in our November meeting does that sound fair

[1:37:05] Voice 5: yes that sounds fair perfect

[1:37:07] Voice 14: thank you very much um trustee fast thank

[1:37:12] Trustee Fast: you chair um yeah I

[1:37:13] Trustee Fast: I support this motion and I'd like to make the motion

[1:37:19] Trustee Fast: that Islands Trust Programs Committee allocate

[1:37:21] Trustee Fast: for fiscal year 2023-24, $2,600 to support the coordination

[1:37:27] Trustee Fast: of the Coastal Douglas Fir Conservation Partnership.

[1:37:31] Trustee Fast: I know people have, that's my motion.

[1:37:34] Trustee Fast: I know people have preferred to delay it again,

[1:37:39] Trustee Fast: but it seems to me that delaying it again

[1:37:42] Trustee Fast: is a kind of turning it down and uh i don't uh personally i can't characterize the i'm just

[1:37:52] Trustee Fast: going to

[1:37:52] Voice 14: interrupt changes before before you before you speak to it can i can i get somebody

[1:37:57] Voice 14: to second it and then i'll come back so you can speak to it do i have a seconder to the motion

[1:38:06] Voice 5: i

[1:38:07] Voice 14: see trustee peterson's hand thank you so much uh okay so the motion has been seconded uh carry

[1:38:13] Voice 14: Marianne, trustee, fast, please.

[1:38:14] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:38:16] Voice 14: I just,

[1:38:16] Trustee Fast: I want to say offhand, first hand,

[1:38:19] Trustee Fast: I just think that as a Islands Trust

[1:38:25] Trustee Fast: with a mandate to collaborate with other organizations

[1:38:28] Trustee Fast: to protect and preserve,

[1:38:30] Trustee Fast: that this Coastal Douglas for Partnership fits into that.

[1:38:34] Trustee Fast: It is a collaboration of a number of groups

[1:38:37] Trustee Fast: and it fits in with our secretariat policy as well.

[1:38:41] Trustee Fast: And the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:38:42] Trustee Fast: um is a member and uh so i think um uh all of the sort of structural sides of it um

[1:38:50] Trustee Fast: check off the boxes for me i think that uh delaying it further is a kind of uh declining

[1:38:56] Trustee Fast: uh to support and uh i i think it's uh uh going to cause um work not to happen and uh looking at

[1:39:07] Trustee Fast: their letter, I see interesting looking projects that happened last year. They report on the

[1:39:13] Trustee Fast: formation and coordination of Coastal Oak and Prairie Working Group, which brought together

[1:39:17] Trustee Fast: organizations and First Nations. So this is a big collaborative group interested in

[1:39:23] Trustee Fast: protecting species. We're in an extinction crisis. It is a

[1:39:29] Trustee Fast: a group that looks at beyond forests they say in their letter and I've seen it on their website

[1:39:38] Trustee Fast: forest grasslands wetlands and shorelines found throughout the island's trust area so it's not

[1:39:45] Trustee Fast: exclusively forests and I personally think it highlights and the comments from trustee Harris

[1:39:55] Trustee Fast: highlight the need for a forest ecologist or maybe I should say an ecosystem expert on staff,

[1:40:04] Trustee Fast: a biologist, ecosystem biologist on staff that we can turn to rather than having our trustee

[1:40:14] Trustee Fast: committees review other organizations' websites and collaborative groups' websites for accuracy.

[1:40:21] Trustee Fast: I think we need that kind of capacity on staff.

[1:40:24] Trustee Fast: So at some point, maybe this committee could turn its mind to that.

[1:40:30] Trustee Fast: I agree with Trustee Harris.

[1:40:32] Trustee Fast: There's a need for more professional expertise in the ecosystem department.

[1:40:46] Trustee Fast: And so with all that, I support the work.

[1:40:50] Trustee Fast: I'm looking at page 29 and 30, the letter from the Coastal Douglas Fir and Associated Ecosystems

[1:40:59] Trustee Fast: Conservation Partnership. We're in an associated ecosystem over here. And so it's not just Coastal

[1:41:06] Trustee Fast: Douglas Fir either. And they were looking for $3,000. I think they've got $2,600 in the motion

[1:41:14] Trustee Fast: there. And I think we should support the good work of this organization that Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:41:20] Trustee Fast: belongs to and that fits with our mandate thank you thank

[1:41:24] Voice 14: you uh trustee fast and i'm just going

[1:41:27] Voice 14: to make i'm just going to add a quick comment to uh what you were talking about and that's in

[1:41:30] Voice 14: regards to um uh professional biologists there was last september there was um uh a change that

[1:41:40] Voice 14: was made in council uh with regards to governance regulations and i'm just going to read it so

[1:41:48] Voice 14: So Section 4, reserved practice, for the purposes of Section 51.1b, reserved practice of the

[1:41:55] Voice 14: Act, the practice of applied biology is a reserved practice that may only be carried

[1:41:59] Voice 14: out by or under the supervision of a registrant if the practice relates to providing advice

[1:42:05] Voice 14: or other service for a biology objective that, having regard to the protective purposes,

[1:42:11] Voice 14: requires the experience or technical knowledge of a registered professional biologist or

[1:42:16] Voice 14: or registered biologist technologist.

[1:42:19] Voice 14: Awful lot of words, big mouthful.

[1:42:22] Voice 14: But basically what this is saying is that

[1:42:24] Voice 14: they have to be a registered professional biologist

[1:42:27] Voice 14: in order to provide any advice to a governance body.

[1:42:37] Voice 14: So I am, and I don't know if that's the direction

[1:42:40] Voice 14: that you were going in trustee Faust,

[1:42:41] Voice 14: but that is now part of regulation.

[1:42:46] Voice 14: um so thank you for raising that um trustee alan go ahead i

[1:42:54] Trustee Allen: don't know whether i should

[1:42:55] Trustee Allen: director brader first she had her hand up as well i

[1:43:01] Voice 14: am going in and speakers order but um

[1:43:04] Voice 14: did staff brader need because i'm i froze a couple of times so i don't know if a question was asked

[1:43:09] Voice 14: were you were you responding to a question that was raised

[1:43:12] Voice 12: staff brader um i can report back i've

[1:43:14] Voice 12: heard from cdfcp staff so i'm happy to read you their email when you're ready to receive that

[1:43:19] Voice 12: perfect

[1:43:20] Voice 14: i'll finish going through the speakers list and then i'll ask that you

[1:43:23] Voice 14: um provide that information is that okay sure

[1:43:26] Voice 5: thank you trustee allen yeah well

[1:43:32] Voice 5: based on the discussion today

[1:43:33] Trustee Allen: i'm i'm not comfortable um voting in favor of this uh

[1:43:39] Trustee Allen: but i am curious now that claire said she got an email because in that letter i'm not sure

[1:43:44] Trustee Allen: the timeline what they've obviously heard regarding the misinformation on their website

[1:43:49] Trustee Allen: and uh then they send this letter and not not a peak regarding that concern in that letter so

[1:43:56] Trustee Allen: i i find that very odd that that has not been raised they still want the money and then also

[1:44:01] Trustee Allen: i haven't claire did mention the fact that they were going to change something on their website

[1:44:05] Trustee Allen: this might i don't know i missed that earlier so i'd just be curious to find out what whether

[1:44:11] Trustee Allen: they've actually acknowledged in this information are they actually going to change this information

[1:44:16] Trustee Allen: and um if not why and yeah so i just i don't feel i need more information to to go to either way

[1:44:24] Trustee Allen: thank you perfect

[1:44:26] Voice 14: okay so and then i'm going to go back to staff rate if you can advise us whether or

[1:44:30] Voice 14: not the changes that were that were raised are concerns regarding the wording on the website

[1:44:35] Voice 14: that are we're at odds with the direction that we are presenting ourselves with

[1:44:39] Voice 14: of has that been corrected and if it has then I still feel that we should review it prior to

[1:44:46] Voice 14: to allocating the funding is my personal position not that I'm and I'm not saying that I don't want

[1:44:52] Voice 14: to allocate it I just want to make sure that we are aligned so staff greater if you can advise us

[1:44:58] Voice 14: on what came

[1:45:00] Voice 12: back thank you so Lindsay who presented to you last time has answered my

[1:45:03] Voice 12: question she reports that they have she made the key change they've made they have updated their

[1:45:08] Voice 12: website, the key change made was changing the reference of CDF zone to now be the CDFMM or

[1:45:14] Voice 12: Coastal Douglas Firm or Maritime Subzone. They also checked the website to see if it contained

[1:45:20] Voice 12: any references to the CDFMM only being present in Canada. She does note that they have to update

[1:45:26] Voice 12: the documents on the website as some are produced in the third party, but this is in progress.

[1:45:30] Voice 12: And she also says if there are concerns of trustees with the content on that website,

[1:45:34] Voice 12: they would like it drawn to their attention so they can review it but at this time they have

[1:45:38] Voice 12: they've done their review and they have made the change from cdf zone to cdf mm um if there are

[1:45:45] Voice 12: further changes that they would that should be brought to their attention they'd be very happy

[1:45:48] Voice 12: to review okay

[1:45:50] Voice 14: so i in addition to that i i'd still recommend that we take the time to look at

[1:45:55] Voice 14: the wording ourselves um and then when we meet in november because i'm sure that their fiscal year

[1:46:03] Voice 14: like similar to ours that it ends in March that still gives them the better part of either that

[1:46:12] Voice 14: or we could do a what's it called an RWM once like if we if we if we say that we're going to

[1:46:24] Voice 14: take a look at it and if we have any concerns to raise then then we can we can revisit this prior

[1:46:28] Voice 14: to our November meeting we do have a few options here but until personally until I've actually

[1:46:34] Voice 14: I actually looked at the wording, I'm not comfortable.

[1:46:39] Voice 14: So I'll leave that, Trustee Harris.

[1:46:44] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm in the same boat, I'm not comfortable at all.

[1:46:47] Voice 10: Talk of CDFMM, clearly we have seen

[1:46:51] Voice 10: from the educational session we had

[1:46:56] Voice 10: with Del Mettinger and Andy McKinnon,

[1:46:58] Voice 10: that CDFMM as is now and as was years ago

[1:47:03] Voice 10: was in the Willamette Valley to a much greater extent than in Canada. Possibly it could be,

[1:47:10] Voice 10: because the CDFMM, let's be clear, CDFMM is a subzone of the CDF zone. So they're saying that

[1:47:16] Voice 10: CDFMM, as it's known now and has been for years, which we've been told it's only here,

[1:47:22] Voice 10: no. To a greater extent, it's in the Willamette Valley in Oregon. Okay. But they're saying it

[1:47:28] Voice 10: It could possibly be a variant of the subzone.

[1:47:31] Voice 10: So we're really splitting hairs and we're into semantics at this point.

[1:47:35] Voice 10: So I think there needs to be some heavy scrutiny of any wording before we go ahead and and and allocate any funds to this organization.

[1:47:46] Voice 10: And I would hope that senior governments would also do the same.

[1:47:50] Voice 10: and maybe because again I think that people don't realize that there has been

[1:47:55] Voice 10: information being put out there that wasn't accurate so I'll leave it at that thanks

[1:48:03] Voice 5: thank you trustee Harris trustee Allen yeah

[1:48:08] Trustee Allen: I'm also I don't think like none of us we're

[1:48:11] Trustee Allen: not biologists I don't know what our backgrounds all of us in this room right now are but I'm not

[1:48:15] Trustee Allen: a forester so I'm not going to go to that website and say oh that's the wrong information I have no

[1:48:20] Trustee Allen: idea in fact i don't even have enough information to even vote on this because um so perhaps maybe

[1:48:27] Trustee Allen: have david johnson who i don't even know what his background is what i tried to google him and find

[1:48:32] Trustee Allen: out what is he a biologist what is he but um my concern is if he's the one that knows all this

[1:48:38] Trustee Allen: then maybe he should be reviewing what's on the uh their website because i don't think it's in our

[1:48:44] Trustee Allen: purview as trustees that we have the information and the knowledge to even know whether it's

[1:48:48] Trustee Allen: right or not that's all and

[1:48:52] Voice 14: i'm just going to make a comment to your comment trustee alan that was

[1:48:56] Voice 14: what i was just raising earlier with regards to the registered professional biologist as of

[1:49:02] Voice 14: september 22nd at september 2022 there was a change that it has to be a registered um professional

[1:49:10] Voice 14: biologist that provides advice on um this type of information that it can't just be um engos anymore

[1:49:18] Voice 14: more okay

[1:49:19] Trustee Allen: can we is it should be a motion then do we have the biologists look at this as opposed

[1:49:24] Trustee Allen: to trustees etc i

[1:49:26] Voice 14: think that that would just be pertaining to our website i don't and i mean this

[1:49:32] Voice 14: does apply to to anybody else um but we can only do that for our website we can't do that for other

[1:49:39] Voice 14: people's website does that make sense yep

[1:49:43] Voice 5: okay thank you uh thanks trustee portwick i just i i

[1:49:54] Voice 8: wanted to i mean i feel like i bring this up on a lot of uh meetings that i've had with the trust

[1:50:00] Voice 8: but i think that having a problem is a really valuable way of doing things for a timeline of

[1:50:10] Voice 8: of meetings um so just echoing what you were saying chair evans um and um yeah i mean i i

[1:50:16] Voice 8: I want to sort of echo what Trustee Allen was saying too.

[1:50:21] Voice 8: I'm not qualified to evaluate their website.

[1:50:24] Voice 8: And yeah, I mean, having that evaluation done

[1:50:27] Voice 8: and I do totally understand that it's tricky for us

[1:50:32] Voice 8: to hire someone to evaluate someone else's website.

[1:50:36] Voice 8: That's a thing.

[1:50:38] Voice 8: I also, you know, and I really understand these concerns

[1:50:44] Voice 8: concerns and wanting to, you know, not be, you know, well, wanting to honor, but in terms of

[1:50:51] Voice 8: expecto, you know, to be cognizant of where we contribute our, our funding. And that said,

[1:50:57] Voice 8: I think, as trust said, this is a group that has, you know, this particular issue aside there,

[1:51:03] Voice 8: you know, this, this group, you know, is spearheading some valuable work, you know,

[1:51:11] Voice 8: even even where there's you know that there that concern about misinformation is very real and and

[1:51:16] Voice 8: genuine but i you know let's um i don't know i i'm keen not to be punitive over over specific things

[1:51:25] Voice 8: when there's there's a broader good to be served too um so yeah i don't have a specific but i want

[1:51:33] Voice 8: to see you know let's have a let's have a closer look at this let's make sure that we're satisfied

[1:51:38] Voice 8: five uh and then i i really support us moving this with a resolution without meeting if if possible

[1:51:45] Voice 8: to get the following uh in a in a more timely manner yeah anyways thank you for listening to

[1:51:50] Voice 8: me ramble thank

[1:51:51] Voice 14: you for your comments um yeah so like i said before that would be my preference as

[1:51:57] Voice 14: well like give us one or two two weeks to go and take a look at their website and then we can do

[1:52:01] Voice 14: an rwm on this so that we're not delaying it um too much and and see where we stand then

[1:52:07] Voice 14: Trustee Harris?

[1:52:08] Voice 10: I think that this may take longer than one or two weeks.

[1:52:11] Voice 10: I hear talk of registered professional biologists.

[1:52:13] Voice 10: I think we actually need a registered professional forester

[1:52:17] Voice 10: and to all I can answer to Trustee Allen

[1:52:22] Voice 10: is that David Donison is a forestry university graduate

[1:52:27] Voice 10: from university graduate in forestry,

[1:52:30] Voice 10: but he's not a registered forestry professional.

[1:52:32] Voice 10: That is who we need.

[1:52:33] Voice 10: We really need unbiased information.

[1:52:39] Voice 10: I understand, yes, the CDFCP, we've talked with them, they're doing good work, but we have to remember, misinformation is much more serious than what it may seem on the surface.

[1:52:50] Voice 10: It has created polarization, misinformation is what it has done in our communities.

[1:52:55] Voice 10: It has driven climate anxiety to a large degree had a huge effect on our fabric of our, you know, our social fabric on Salt Spring Island anyways the polarization is a fever pitch here, and a lot of it driven from inaccurate information.

[1:53:11] Voice 10: So, again, I think this is very serious, and I'm not clearly I'm not in support of allocating any money for this organization.

[1:53:20] Voice 10: And I really appreciate your comments, Chair Evans, on the fact that it is around regulation that it is registered professionals that we take advice from and making decisions, not NGOs. Thank you.

[1:53:36] Voice 14: No worries. And just to reiterate again, this would only be for our website, not for somebody else's. So we cannot bring in somebody else to review somebody else's website.

[1:53:47] Voice 14: All we can do at this point is say, does it align with our website? Does it align with our position? So we can take a look at that and say, does it align with our position and make a decision whether or not to allocate the funds based on that? Trustee Peterson.

[1:54:04] Voice 5: thank

[1:54:07] Voice 9: you really interesting conversation uh i'll just reiterate i i do support um you know

[1:54:15] Voice 9: every effort striving to provide accurate information uh what we do clearly with the the

[1:54:22] Voice 9: the uh organization in question it's up to them to to to vet their information um i would agree

[1:54:31] Voice 9: agree with trustee uh Alan I am not uh I'm not credentialed in any way to make anything other

[1:54:41] Voice 9: than really subjective judgments on on these sorts of issues um part of what I'm finding

[1:54:50] Voice 9: interesting here is is our organization's Islands Trust we have uh gone and done this work on on

[1:54:56] Voice 9: our website which i think is is great uh we're talking here about an organization that um

[1:55:03] Voice 9: one of the partners besides us as islands trust is as i mentioned environment canada

[1:55:09] Voice 9: uh british columbia ministry of environment and and the british columbia minister ministry of

[1:55:15] Voice 9: forests lands and resources and so what i'm finding a little and i don't mean to devalue

[1:55:24] Voice 9: the conversation we're having here but i'm wondering if i'm sort of feeling like if there's

[1:55:31] Voice 9: a feeling that um you know that the cdf uh the partnership needs to be uh more accountable to

[1:55:42] Voice 9: what they're printing i'm wondering why other partners such as the british columbia ministry

[1:55:49] Voice 9: of forests isn't isn't uh you know part of that discussion with them uh and and maybe that's irony

[1:55:57] Voice 9: maybe it's capacity maybe it's something else but i just just wanted to point it out i'm in

[1:56:02] Voice 9: no way trying to devalue the importance of us um taking a principled approach here but uh i'm just

[1:56:09] Voice 9: looking at some of these other partners in this partnership beyond us who are our senior

[1:56:13] Voice 9: your governments and and there is our provincial uh ministry of forests as

[1:56:17] Voice 5: as a partner there

[1:56:18] Voice 5: thank you so much for your comments um yes

[1:56:26] Voice 12: uh staff ratio um so i'll put my hand up to comment

[1:56:31] Voice 12: i don't believe this talk and i know i see david martyrs in the call here this topic does not seem

[1:56:35] Voice 12: appropriate for an rwm so resolution without meeting which is really intended for matters

[1:56:40] Voice 12: of administrative nature where there's no debate needed um simply you know mostly matters of

[1:56:45] Voice 12: meeting scheduling or minute adoption, that sort of thing. So this wouldn't seem like an appropriate

[1:56:49] Voice 12: topic for that method. And secondly, I would just note that the CDFCP steering committee is comprised

[1:56:57] Voice 12: of many notable registered professional biologists. So if, you know, I would just bring that to your

[1:57:03] Voice 12: attention. If you look at that steering committee membership, you've got, you know, professors at

[1:57:07] Voice 12: UBC, senior provincial staff, and so on. So if you were wanting to undertake review, I think you can

[1:57:14] Voice 12: can have assurance that you've got some registered professional biologists and yes I would echo

[1:57:18] Voice 12: trustee the chair sorry the trust chair's comment that biology is now reserved practice so as we

[1:57:25] Voice 12: undertake work at the trust and we are going to have to sort of look at that now because we are

[1:57:31] Voice 12: going to have to sort of work within that new regulation around which professionals can

[1:57:35] Voice 12: undertake what work for the trust as it relates to ecosystems thank

[1:57:39] Voice 14: you so I was going to say

[1:57:41] Voice 14: then so yes you are correct it shouldn't have been an rwm i was scratching my head trying to

[1:57:45] Voice 14: come up with the right one perhaps we could have a special meeting um to to to rediscuss this uh

[1:57:52] Voice 14: once the trustees have had a chance to take a look at the website changes that have been made by the

[1:57:58] Voice 14: the coastal douglas spur uh partnership corporation and um make sure that it is in alignment with

[1:58:09] Voice 14: the direction that we're setting ourselves on our website with the trust and the other thing that i

[1:58:14] Voice 14: was going to to bring forward um should we decide that yes it is an alignment today great let's let's

[1:58:20] Voice 14: put this forward everything's hunky-dory should that change in the future then we can revisit

[1:58:25] Voice 14: that again in the future and we can have the same discussion as to whether or not we provide support

[1:58:30] Voice 14: for the next year should we have another look and say you know what we're kind of out of alignment

[1:58:35] Voice 14: again on this topic? Can we get back into alignment? It can be and it should be

[1:58:43] Voice 14: going on a review process, not just blanket. And with regards to large organizations,

[1:58:53] Voice 14: a lot of time large organizations just don't have the capacity to put the scrutiny to other

[1:59:00] Voice 14: people's websites and it's just this is where it got raised and this is this is where we're

[1:59:06] Voice 14: bringing it to their attention and then moving it forward through their process so this is this for

[1:59:12] Voice 14: me is is good news I just want the opportunity to have a look and make sure that our original

[1:59:18] Voice 14: concerns have been addressed and if they have then I'm happy to move forward I'm just not

[1:59:23] Voice 14: comfortable moving forward without that that look myself trustee Alan yeah

[1:59:29] Trustee Allen: thank you Sharon I just

[1:59:30] Trustee Allen: want to share my concerns that you know we've spent a lot of time on this uh as a committee

[1:59:34] Trustee Allen: and we've got a lot of things on our plate and i just i just wish we could move on and uh get this

[1:59:41] Trustee Allen: all dealt with because uh it's taken a lot of time in our in our little time

[1:59:46] Trustee Allen: we have that's all i'm

[1:59:47] Trustee Allen: going to say and

[1:59:48] Voice 14: i was going to say i see that trustee harris has put his hand up at one more

[1:59:52] Voice 14: time i'm going to say that this should be the last comment and then we're going to move the question

[1:59:58] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:59:58] Voice 14: Go ahead, Trustee.

[1:59:58] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:59:58] Voice 10: I just wanted to add.

[2:00:00] Voice 10: which I haven't mentioned before well maybe I have mentioned it bias is something that we need to

[2:00:10] Voice 10: eliminate from islands trust clearly there's have been issues over the years and so this is an

[2:00:17] Voice 10: opportunity right now to do just that and make sure we get it right we've got it we can't it's

[2:00:23] Voice 10: not on you know business as usual we've got a lot of changes that need to be made so I'll leave it

[2:00:29] Voice 10: at that thanks sounds

[2:00:31] Voice 14: good okay so i'm going to move the question and it was it's moved that

[2:00:39] Voice 14: trust programs committee allocate for fiscal year 2023 24 2600 to support the coordination of the

[2:00:46] Voice 14: coastal douglas for conservation partnership all

[2:00:50] Voice 5: those in favor please raise your hand

[2:00:52] Voice 5: okay thank you if you can lower your hands oh okay we still

[2:01:02] Voice 14: got people putting their hands up

[2:01:04] Voice 14: okay if you can lower your hands

[2:01:07] Voice 5: all those opposed please raise your hand so I believe

[2:01:22] Voice 14: and I'm just going to ask um if you can lower hands I believe that that carries is that correct

[2:01:29] Voice 14: I couldn't see everybody's hands

[2:01:31] Voice 5: can I get can I get staff to confirm

[2:01:37] Voice 5: yes as staff I

[2:01:39] Voice 12: will wait for your minute taker here I saw three in favor and two opposed

[2:01:42] Voice 12: posed um

[2:01:43] Voice 14: and how many do we have online at the moment it's very okay

[2:01:49] Voice 14: very

[2:01:50] Voice 5: different okay so then

[2:01:52] Voice 5: that counts um four so then that carries okay thank you very much all right so we still have

[2:02:07] Voice 14: some more items on our agenda and i know that staff are going to need to take a break as well

[2:02:13] Voice 14: and i have a feeling that this is going to be um a good discussion after lunch so why don't we take

[2:02:18] Voice 14: a break um shall we do a 45 minute break does that work for everyone we

[2:02:27] Trustee Allen: do half an hour i have

[2:02:28] Trustee Allen: to leave it to you

[2:02:29] Voice 14: have to leave it too i'm gonna ask staff because staff uh work diligently and

[2:02:35] Voice 14: i don't want to be stealing their lunch break which is why i i so i if i can ask uh the staff

[2:02:41] Voice 14: online does a half an hour work for you would you would you prefer 45 and half hour works for me uh

[2:02:48] Voice 14: I know Gillian

[2:02:49] Voice 5: is needing to step away, and I can't speak for Mr. Barlow.

[2:02:57] Voice 5: If Staff Marlow and Staff

[2:02:59] Voice 14: Barlow can respond, that would be great.

[2:03:03] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm okay with half an hour.

[2:03:04] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:03:05] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:03:06] Voice 7: Chair Evans, I'm flexible, and I'll do whatever the committee wishes.

[2:03:11] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:03:11] Voice 14: Thank you very much for that.

[2:03:13] Voice 14: So we will – oh, Trustee Luckham has his hand up,

[2:03:17] Voice 5: or are you just adjusting?

[2:03:22] Voice 5: Sorry, you're muted.

[2:03:26] Voice 14: okay never mind okay so we'll take a break for a half an hour so we will return at 12 35

[2:03:33] Voice 14: and we will continue on with our agenda starting with section eight thank

[2:03:41] Voice 5: you thank you very much

[2:03:43] Voice 5: Thank you so much, everyone.

[2:32:19] Voice 5: did you guys have a good lunch short and sweet right yes thanks

[2:32:30] Voice 14: my legs got a cramp in it and i can't figure out a good way to sit oh

[2:32:37] Voice 5: that's hard yeah that's all

[2:32:39] Voice 5: right it's just my cough okie dokie

[2:33:55] Voice 5: body back from lunch now are we missing anybody you're not here raise your hands

[2:34:15] Voice 5: now were we talking mentally or physically

[2:34:18] Voice 5: no comment

[2:34:24] Voice 14: so is everybody back i'm just uh posing this question to staff because i i have a hard time

[2:34:30] Voice 14: seeing everybody is everybody

[2:34:32] Voice 14: back you

[2:34:33] Voice 5: still don't have trustee allen trustee allen okay

[2:34:38] Voice 5: Okay. Well, it's already 1236. So I think we

[2:34:46] Voice 14: should start. And was it Trustee Allen

[2:34:51] Voice 14: that said he had to leave by two? Who was it who needed to leave by two?

[2:34:56] Voice 14: Yes, I think it was Trustee Allen.

[2:34:58] Voice 8: Alex said he needed to leave by two.

[2:35:01] Voice 14: Okay. So

[2:35:02] Voice 5: if we can start the live streaming again.

[2:35:11] Voice 5: The

[2:35:11] Voice 7: live streaming doesn't stop.

[2:35:14] Voice 14: Okay, so we're back.

[2:35:15] Voice 14: we

[2:35:16] Voice 7: are in live streaming right now yes perfect

[2:35:19] Voice 14: okay so we will resume our meeting um and i was

[2:35:23] Voice 14: just going to ask everyone i know this is a little um out of sorts but i was unaware that

[2:35:29] Voice 14: trustee ellen needed to leave a little earlier would there be any objections to us

[2:35:36] Voice 14: swapping 8.1 and 8.2 so we can have our decisions first and then get into the email from david

[2:35:43] Voice 14: Dunison. Does

[2:35:45] Voice 5: anybody have any objections to that? Not seeing anybody raise their hands.

[2:35:55] Voice 5: So are we able to make that change to the agenda?

[2:36:01] Voice 14: Perfect. Then do I need to make a motion

[2:36:05] Voice 14: to make that change? No. Okay. Then we're going to move on to 8.2 and then come back to 8.1

[2:36:12] Voice 14: afterwards. So 8.2 is the Trust Programs Committee business cases that for the 2024-25 budget

[2:36:19] Voice 14: budget requests and the first item on that is going to be the um financial planning committee

[2:36:27] Voice 14: for inclusion of 15

[2:36:30] Voice 5: 000 for the stewardship education okay so I'm happy to introduce this

[2:36:38] Voice 5: if you

[2:36:39] Voice 12: like thank you okay so what you've got before you is an annual item that comes forward

[2:36:43] Voice 12: so in May you might remember you asked us to develop two business cases for these amounts

[2:36:47] Voice 12: for these topics. So staff have drafted them using the template provided by administrative services.

[2:36:54] Voice 12: These particular business cases are somewhat different than others you might see because,

[2:36:58] Voice 12: of course, they're quite open-ended. It's really for pots of money to then be allocated in the

[2:37:03] Voice 12: next fiscal year rather than for specified initiatives is the way in which this is

[2:37:08] Voice 12: proceeding. So typically, what you see here is not what you will see from all committees,

[2:37:13] Voice 12: I would suggest. So what we've got for you is staff have drafted the business cases, but they are yours as a committee.

[2:37:19] Voice 12: So if you've got changes you would like to see or you want certain questions answered differently or a different amount of detail provided,

[2:37:26] Voice 12: this is your opportunity to reflect on what staff have drafted and request changes or amendments to those documents.

[2:37:35] Voice 12: They continue to change and shift as we move through the budget process.

[2:37:38] Voice 12: So you'll approve it here by resolution with any amendments that you want.

[2:37:42] Voice 12: but you can in November at your next meeting have a new reflection take feedback you might get

[2:37:47] Voice 12: feedback from financial planning committee or a request and then you can reconsider it in November

[2:37:51] Voice 12: and then again in February there's opportunities to sort of reflect as we go through and it's a

[2:37:57] Voice 12: bit of a back and forth sometimes with financial planning committee this would also be your

[2:38:01] Voice 12: opportunity to reflect if there's anything anything additional that you'd like to ask

[2:38:05] Voice 12: staff to prepare a business case for but really this is the point in the cycle where it should

[2:38:09] Voice 12: been prepared and we're feeding it in for version one of the budget which will be prepared in early

[2:38:14] Voice 12: October so with that I'll turn it back to the chair and I'm happy to take comments and feedback

[2:38:20] Voice 12: and we'll make any amendments before we pass it on to financial planning committee perfect thank

[2:38:25] Voice 14: you very much does anybody have any comments or questions regarding the stewardship education

[2:38:33] Voice 14: business plan that is proposed here trustee Borthwick

[2:38:39] Voice 5: hi yeah

[2:38:41] Voice 8: this is sort of generally

[2:38:42] Voice 8: really actually across both. But I just remember that, when we

[2:38:48] Voice 8: got around to doing the Secretariat services, we did

[2:38:52] Voice 8: have some nickel and diming to do in terms of like, we weren't

[2:38:55] Voice 8: able to provide the full amounts to the various groups. And I

[2:39:00] Voice 8: just, I'm just curious, and I'm sure there's tons and tons of

[2:39:03] Voice 8: work, and I have absolute faith in Director Freider and her

[2:39:06] Voice 8: crew, that these are well thought out numbers, but I just

[2:39:09] Voice 8: wanted to um avoid us being in a position where we're having to um we're not obligated to give

[2:39:18] Voice 8: this money to these these groups of course but but i'd like to for us to be empowered to give

[2:39:23] Voice 8: them what they need to do the work that they they do because it is valuable um so um yeah i'm just

[2:39:30] Voice 8: wondering if based on uh the assets from last year would we be in a similar position where we're

[2:39:35] Voice 8: having to trim requests here and there and just and that's fine if that's the case that's fine

[2:39:42] Voice 8: but I'm just curious if that's been all taken into account in that way thanks I

[2:39:48] Voice 14: think I can

[2:39:49] Voice 14: address your questions there during the last budget cycle there were requests for all of the

[2:39:55] Voice 14: committees to take a look at their their funding requests and see if there was room to trim and so

[2:40:02] Voice 14: So we did reduce our budget request by X amount for each of them based on what we had in our kitty to allocate out when the requests that come in, those were reduced accordingly.

[2:40:20] Voice 14: So people are going to ask for what they want. It doesn't necessarily mean that we should or are in a position to give them what they desire.

[2:40:30] Voice 14: so we we have a certain amount of funding that we can allocate and that's what we're taking a look

[2:40:36] Voice 14: at here but also you know we're looking at what's going to be of benefit to our communities and

[2:40:44] Voice 14: areas and what benefits these various other organizations are providing to us too so yes

[2:40:52] Voice 14: we do want to support them but it's like if you if you could go to anybody and say hey can I have

[2:40:59] Voice 14: X amount of money, then you're not always going to get X amount, but you'll get as much as they

[2:41:04] Voice 14: can afford to give you. So that's sort of the position that we're in. And yes, we can obviously

[2:41:09] Voice 14: increase that amount. We can leave it where it currently is. We can decrease that amount.

[2:41:15] Voice 14: The amount that we're requesting is up to us. And that's the conversation that we're here to

[2:41:20] Voice 5: have right now. Trustee Peterson?

[2:41:26] Voice 9: Just for a little bit of context, if it hopefully is helpful,

[2:41:30] Voice 9: um so in the last cycle um prior to the election uh trust programs committee had decided to

[2:41:40] Voice 9: request fifteen thousand dollars and that was based on um the request from the previous year

[2:41:48] Voice 9: and uh an aim to try and come closer to meeting them and then of course as uh chair evans just uh

[2:41:55] Voice 9: uh mentioned there uh this committee in its present uh membership decided to trim that back

[2:42:03] Voice 9: a bit and then this is of course um uh why we uh had to do a little bit of figuring out to try and

[2:42:12] Voice 9: allocate those sums between the the various subgroups that asked for the funding so

[2:42:20] Voice 9: we the previous committee bumped it up a little bit to try and meet the demand um this committee

[2:42:26] Voice 9: chose to trim it back a bit to try and trim the budget and and then today's request is back to the

[2:42:32] Voice 9: to the pre-raising it the last round great thank

[2:42:40] Voice 8: you yeah that

[2:42:40] Voice 5: answers my questions thanks very

[2:42:42] Voice 5: much i'm just bringing the subject up that's all perfect

[2:42:46] Voice 14: thank you so yeah we're if anybody else

[2:42:50] Voice 14: has comments and questions this is a good place to to have them um because depending on what we

[2:42:59] Voice 14: put forward this time it's easy to cut it's harder to ask for more so are we satisfied with

[2:43:07] Voice 14: um the numbers that we have in front of us right now so and i think right now we're dealing with

[2:43:12] Voice 14: the stewardship education page and that one is uh the 15 000 to start trustee harris i'm not in

[2:43:21] Voice 10: support i would clearly um like to see that number decreased by a large degree the stewardship

[2:43:28] Voice 14: of education portion yes

[2:43:30] Voice 10: and

[2:43:32] Voice 14: do you have reasons for that oh

[2:43:36] Voice 10: yeah i try you don't think that we're

[2:43:38] Voice 10: the island's trust spends um far too much um of the taxpayers dollars on things that really aren't

[2:43:44] Voice 10: giving us any um deliverables um see as exercise and blowing money so um yeah pretty

[2:43:54] Voice 5: simple okay

[2:43:55] Voice 5: Okay, thank you for your comment.

[2:43:57] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson.

[2:44:01] Voice 5: I'm going to take the

[2:44:03] Voice 9: opposite

[2:44:05] Voice 9: or a different opinion here

[2:44:10] Voice 9: and just say that my understanding is that

[2:44:15] Voice 9: for having effect on the ground for residents

[2:44:24] Voice 9: and especially new residents to the Islands Trust area,

[2:44:29] Voice 9: that education as opposed to things like bylaw enforcement and litigation is not only more cost

[2:44:38] Voice 9: effective, but comes closer to meeting the stated mandate of preserve and protect than those other

[2:44:48] Voice 9: sort of more punitive. It's sort of a carrot and stick, I suppose, approach. So just to speak from

[2:44:57] Voice 9: from that point of view thank

[2:44:59] Voice 14: you very much and i do agree with your comments that education is

[2:45:04] Voice 14: really important especially to newcomers to the island that have uh it's a big adjustment to come

[2:45:10] Voice 14: from from where anywhere else that where you've got uh regular flowing water and a never-ending

[2:45:16] Voice 14: supply to your honor well and good luck buddy um and and top that off with you are now custodians

[2:45:24] Voice 14: of the island and everything that goes on within it so please take good care and here are some

[2:45:29] Voice 14: tools to help you do that i absolutely agree education here on the stewardship portion of

[2:45:35] Voice 14: our islands is vital uh trustee alan yeah

[2:45:41] Trustee Allen: ditto to all the above and uh you know i'll say it was

[2:45:45] Trustee Allen: our community hornby island they feel like they really get their bang from their buck when

[2:45:50] Trustee Allen: And when you get the, dare I say, the human side of Islands Trust, when we do present webinars, when we come and, you know, talk about things that affect us all, not just bylaw enforcement issues and, you know,

[2:46:05] Trustee Allen: planning, developing things, you know, the boring side is that we've got this other side.

[2:46:09] Trustee Allen: but I really feel it's been really valuable in our community

[2:46:12] Trustee Allen: and I'm all for it.

[2:46:14] Trustee Allen: And people come up all the time and wondering,

[2:46:16] Trustee Allen: when's there going to be another webinar?

[2:46:17] Trustee Allen: And just recently, actually, so I'm totally in support of this.

[2:46:22] Voice 14: And I was also going to add on to what you just said.

[2:46:25] Voice 14: This is our opportunity to make learning

[2:46:27] Voice 14: and the education portion of this fun and enjoyable

[2:46:31] Voice 14: and getting people bought into this work.

[2:46:36] Voice 14: work. And I think this will come out a little bit later as well. There was a period in the past

[2:46:44] Voice 14: where using the fear and anxiety to really drive home the issue that there was an issue. I think

[2:46:52] Voice 14: most people are educated enough to know that there is a huge climate issue and getting us now onto

[2:46:59] Voice 14: what can we do? What are the steps that we can do? And getting people excited about it and

[2:47:04] Voice 14: understanding the impact that they can have personally and especially when it comes to

[2:47:09] Voice 14: these islands where it's this is unique i don't see this many other municipalities where we're

[2:47:14] Voice 14: educating people on how to make a difference in their community and we're encouraging it

[2:47:19] Voice 14: and giving people the tools to do it um this this i think this is a huge opportunity depending on

[2:47:26] Voice 14: how we want to uh what position and and the tech that we want to take in order to get this

[2:47:31] Voice 14: information out there i think we're we're we're in a unique lucky privileged position to be able

[2:47:38] Voice 14: to do this and have the funding for it so i'm i'm definitely in support of this um trustee fast

[2:47:45] Voice 14: thank

[2:47:45] Trustee Fast: you chair yes i'm in support as well um for the reasons that uh trustees have mentioned uh

[2:47:52] Trustee Fast: And the feeling of stewardship is inclusive, like it invites private landowners and it recognizes all the good work that private landholders and anybody who's donating to different projects in their community or whatever,

[2:48:16] Trustee Fast: um it it it recognizes their uh contributions as important and it gives puts tools new tools

[2:48:25] Trustee Fast: sometimes in their hands and uh i um i just think that it's a uh it's a wonderful way especially

[2:48:33] Trustee Fast: for the new people to introduce them to um how how to help take care of this new neighborhood that

[2:48:40] Trustee Fast: they've uh uh planted their feet in and um so i'm i'm all in support and i'd like to move the first

[2:48:47] Trustee Fast: motion that trust programs committee forward to the trust financial planning committee for

[2:48:52] Trustee Fast: inclusion in the fiscal year 2024-25 budget the business case for 15 000 for stewardship

[2:48:59] Trustee Fast: education i think that's a great place to start so i'll just with the one that's written there i move

[2:49:03] Trustee Fast: that thank

[2:49:05] Voice 14: you very much do i have a seconder jesse borthwick thank you very much um i will

[2:49:11] Voice 14: I'll ask if there's any further discussion on the motion.

[2:49:17] Voice 14: I was just going to add one more thing

[2:49:19] Voice 14: and then I'll go to Trustee Harris.

[2:49:22] Voice 14: We have an opportunity here, not just for this fiscal year,

[2:49:27] Voice 14: but for the remainder of the fiscal years of our term

[2:49:30] Voice 14: to really take a look at the programs that we're offering.

[2:49:32] Voice 14: And if there's something that is,

[2:49:34] Voice 14: that can help get the education piece out there better,

[2:49:39] Voice 14: then let's bring that forward.

[2:49:40] Voice 14: Let's do some brainstorming around this.

[2:49:43] Voice 14: for future fiscal years as well.

[2:49:45] Voice 14: And we can take a look at our current offerings

[2:49:47] Voice 14: and find out ways to refine them

[2:49:49] Voice 14: and make them more cost-effective

[2:49:51] Voice 14: so we can do more with our money.

[2:49:56] Voice 5: Okay, Trustee Harris.

[2:49:58] Voice 10: Providing the education

[2:50:02] Voice 10: that's put out there to the communities

[2:50:04] Voice 10: is void of bias,

[2:50:06] Voice 10: then I suppose this could be a good thing.

[2:50:10] Voice 10: But if the otherwise,

[2:50:12] Voice 10: or if the opposite is true,

[2:50:14] Voice 10: if there is bias,

[2:50:15] Voice 10: and invalid information, then it actually has negative value, in my view. So I still don't

[2:50:21] Voice 10: support this number at this point. Thank you.

[2:50:24] Voice 14: Yeah, I appreciate your comments, Trustee Harris.

[2:50:27] Voice 14: And I think it's behooven upon us as a committee to take a look at what we're putting out. And I

[2:50:34] Voice 14: think we're doing that. So thank you very much. If there are no more comments, I'm going to move

[2:50:44] Voice 14: the question okay so the question on the floor is that the trust programs committee for to the

[2:50:51] Voice 14: financial planning committee for inclusion in the fiscal year 2024-25 budget the business case for

[2:50:57] Voice 14: 15 000 for the stewardship education i'm going to ask all of those in favor

[2:51:03] Voice 5: to please raise your

[2:51:03] Voice 5: hand thank you kindly you can lower your hand and i'm going to ask if any are opposed if you can

[2:51:15] Voice 5: please raise your hand thank you and i believe this motion

[2:51:24] Voice 14: carries thank you for your time and

[2:51:29] Voice 14: let's move on to the second item on our agenda here which is for the um secretariat services

[2:51:40] Voice 14: programs for twelve thousand dollars so i'll open up the discussion if anyone has anything to

[2:51:48] Voice 14: to add in here trustee forthwick hi

[2:51:52] Voice 5: um

[2:51:53] Voice 8: yeah i have uh had the great pleasure of getting to

[2:52:00] Voice 8: to be involved with the bain sound uh ecosystem uh forum marine ecosystem forum

[2:52:07] Voice 8: which is one of the beneficiaries of our secretariat services and was in fact

[2:52:11] Voice 8: founded by it and was one of our first projects in that way i think that's correct

[2:52:16] Voice 8: Director Fraser can correct me if I'm off base, and it's, it's an incredible body. It's the work

[2:52:25] Voice 8: they're doing, the awareness, the education, and the breadth of tactics, or topics that are

[2:52:32] Voice 8: discussed, and the, the group that is, that exists within that, it's really, like, it's an incredible,

[2:52:39] Voice 8: like cross agency uh forum um and i i just think that like these services these these

[2:52:47] Voice 8: secretariat services and this is a really positive way for us to you know forward the education and

[2:52:54] Voice 8: information but also develop relationships uh with with other bodies who who you know are pursuing

[2:53:01] Voice 8: are the same you know pursuing courses in line with our with our uh with our mandate and i really

[2:53:07] Voice 8: support the Secretariat Services strongly. So, yeah, I'm very much in favor and I'm happy to

[2:53:14] Voice 8: make the motion if no one else wants to speak to it.

[2:53:17] Voice 14: Thank you very much. I just have a couple of

[2:53:22] Voice 14: comments myself. So, one of the comments I wanted to raise was, as was noted earlier for the

[2:53:31] Voice 14: Secretariat Services, we did have a larger ask than the funding that we had available.

[2:53:36] Voice 14: So my question that I'd like to put to this committee is, do we want to ask for more money

[2:53:42] Voice 14: in this business case for this upcoming fiscal year in order to fulfill the request coming

[2:53:51] Voice 14: through?

[2:53:52] Voice 14: And remember, the same as we did this year, it goes forward for all years.

[2:53:57] Voice 14: If we have the budget, then we can fill the request in full that comes through.

[2:54:05] Voice 14: or again when we we can just we can make the choice as a committee that perhaps

[2:54:10] Voice 14: one or another doesn't get the funding at that time or gets deferred until later

[2:54:15] Voice 14: that's still within our purview but the question to the committee today is do we just ask for the

[2:54:20] Voice 14: 12 000 or do we increase it like we did previously and have and request the 15 000 again so i'm going

[2:54:27] Voice 14: to leave that question on the floor for discussion and uh trustee peterson uh

[2:54:35] Voice 9: thank you chair i just

[2:54:36] Voice 9: want to um uh reiterate or uh agree with uh trustee borthik i'm glad he's got a chance to

[2:54:45] Voice 9: participate in the in the bain sound leverage channel forum i went for my first time uh this

[2:54:51] Voice 9: this uh spring really really amazing uh group uh gathering um from local government from uh

[2:55:01] Voice 9: federal and provincial agencies and and really look at really solutions oriented and a lot of

[2:55:07] Voice 9: hard scientists um in that particular uh that particular group that were uh i think well well

[2:55:16] Voice 9: worth uh our participation i think that in terms of the in terms of the the bane sound not only

[2:55:25] Voice 9: what they're doing there, but that level of really weaving in all the different levels

[2:55:35] Voice 9: of government and NGOs and industry, to my awareness, anyway, it's fairly unique to actually

[2:55:43] Voice 9: have the shellfish growers and the scientists and the NGOs all sitting in a room and working

[2:55:51] Voice 9: towards solutions.

[2:55:51] Voice 9: so i just want to reiterate how how i think that's a really really good success story

[2:55:57] Voice 9: the other one that um or have participated in um as vice chair of uh of galliano and salt spring

[2:56:05] Voice 9: is the uh the southern uh buff islands um working group there with uh with the mla and the mp

[2:56:15] Voice 9: and i think that's uh i think there's some really useful discussions out of that and

[2:56:20] Voice 9: hopefully there'll be some some actual uh actions uh coming out of that uh within the next next

[2:56:27] Voice 9: while i believe chair evans has been um there at least once and uh so those are the two i know the

[2:56:36] Voice 9: most detail about anyway i just i think those are really uh really good i i'm aware that the

[2:56:42] Voice 9: the house sound uh forum uh has done a lot of great work in the past and um and uh so just

[2:56:51] Voice 9: just speaking both specifically and sort of generally

[2:56:54] Voice 9: in support of the program.

[2:56:57] Voice 5: Thank you very much for your comments.

[2:56:59] Voice 5: Trustee Allen.

[2:57:02] Voice 5: Yeah, thank you.

[2:57:04] Voice 5: I just

[2:57:05] Trustee Allen: wanted to clarify the staff capacity.

[2:57:09] Trustee Allen: Claire had mentioned, Director Frey mentioned

[2:57:10] Trustee Allen: that the CDF would be funding only, not a staff involved.

[2:57:16] Trustee Allen: I just wondering, is that going to be for all the other

[2:57:18] Trustee Allen: groups that are getting money or is there going to be staff

[2:57:22] Trustee Allen: at some of these things channel or how sound or how's that going to be working out with staff

[2:57:27] Voice 12: um so i can't speak to what requests you'll get for next year's funding but at this time i

[2:57:32] Voice 12: anticipate largely it will be requests for you know to help um provide for help contract

[2:57:38] Voice 12: administrative services for them i don't i don't anticipate at this time that we'll get requests

[2:57:42] Voice 12: for our staff to undertake work okay

[2:57:47] Voice 5: thank you very much uh trustee harris i

[2:57:52] Voice 10: can appreciate that

[2:57:54] Voice 10: the bain sound group is doing great work and and i applaud that and as with some of these other

[2:58:03] Voice 10: groups um but again i won't be supporting this dollar figure and they definitely will not support

[2:58:12] Voice 10: it an increase and i'll just leave it at that thank

[2:58:17] Voice 14: you i just also want to remind people that

[2:58:21] Voice 14: while we have the current list, there is also the opportunity for other groups that may come to us

[2:58:26] Voice 14: also requesting funding as well. And that's sort of the position that I'm in is we don't know what

[2:58:34] Voice 14: the budget is going to look like at this point. So I would prefer to ask for a little bit more

[2:58:42] Voice 14: and then have the opportunity to cut if we need to versus not asking for enough and not having

[2:58:49] Voice 14: having an opportunity to request more in the future. So again, I'm putting the motion to

[2:58:57] Voice 14: amend the motion when it gets asked, maybe to ask for 15,000 instead. So I'm going to move over to

[2:59:03] Voice 14: Trustee Fast.

[2:59:04] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I agree with the 15,000. I think it's better to start

[2:59:12] Trustee Fast: start from a position where you're going to be able to open your eyes to more groups.

[2:59:19] Trustee Fast: Collaboration is so important for the mandate of the trust.

[2:59:24] Trustee Fast: And the work that these collaborative groups do is super important.

[2:59:31] Trustee Fast: I've already spoken to the Coastal Douglas Fir and Associated Ecosystems Partnership,

[2:59:38] Trustee Fast: partnership conservation partnership and i'll speak a little bit to the how sound community

[2:59:43] Trustee Fast: forum it's in its uh 25th year or something um and it's been uh really valuable for bringing

[2:59:50] Trustee Fast: together all the same kinds of groups uh as um trustee borthwick mentioned uh although the um

[2:59:57] Trustee Fast: emphasis

[3:00:00] Trustee Fast: This is not so much on managing natural resources or harvesting as it is with elected officials

[3:00:07] Trustee Fast: getting together, talking about how they can work together, what are mutual issues that

[3:00:13] Trustee Fast: we could address or find information on, who's doing what and what's the best practices and

[3:00:19] Trustee Fast: can we work together.

[3:00:20] Trustee Fast: together. But local governments come, First Nations are involved, the volunteers and the

[3:00:30] Trustee Fast: different non-profit organizations, everybody is also invited as far as there's room, as long as

[3:00:39] Trustee Fast: there's room. And so I just, I really support the whole secretariat point of view. And I would

[3:00:46] Trustee Fast: would encourage Trustee Borthwick when he makes the motion

[3:00:48] Trustee Fast: to use the words 15,000 in there.

[3:00:52] Trustee Fast: I'll be happy to second it if that happens.

[3:00:55] Trustee Fast: Trustee Borthwick over, but if he doesn't move it, I will.

[3:00:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:01:01] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:01:02] Voice 14: Trustee Harris.

[3:01:03] Voice 10: Just a comment you made Chair Evans

[3:01:08] Voice 10: about us not knowing what the budget will look like.

[3:01:11] Voice 10: Well, no, we don't know what it's going to look like,

[3:01:13] Voice 10: but I know we've heard through trust council

[3:01:15] Voice 10: that um we want to get the budget down so to speak of spending more to me is just

[3:01:20] Voice 10: i really don't understand that um that reasoning um and i know you know i'm not here to speak for

[3:01:28] Voice 10: myself i speak for members of the community and personally i have heard from not one person

[3:01:34] Voice 10: in the community that wants to see more money spent they want less money spent

[3:01:38] Voice 10: So I definitely will not support this number as it is,

[3:01:43] Voice 10: and most definitely will not support it at 15,000.

[3:01:46] Voice 10: And I'm shocked to hear that it's been proposed to go up.

[3:01:51] Voice 14: Okay, thank you very much, Trustee Harris.

[3:01:53] Voice 14: I'm going to also say,

[3:01:55] Voice 14: I'm looking more at the returns

[3:01:57] Voice 14: that we're going to be getting for that initial,

[3:02:00] Voice 14: for that extra $3,000.

[3:02:01] Voice 14: $3,000 for getting another agency involved

[3:02:08] Voice 14: that can provide us with information resources and all of that sort of stuff I think is money

[3:02:15] Voice 14: well spent especially in when when we're talking the budget numbers that we work with here

[3:02:22] Voice 14: for me from a business perspective it's money well spent over to trustee Borthwick

[3:02:30] Voice 14: yeah

[3:02:32] Voice 8: thank you and yeah I just trustee Harris I like I totally hear what you're saying

[3:02:38] Voice 8: and because

[3:02:39] Voice 8: chair evans was saying too though it's it's easier for us to work back from a larger

[3:02:44] Voice 8: number and i totally respect that you can't support it that's absolutely fine it's uh and

[3:02:49] Voice 8: i want you to know this is not for a place of not hearing um but i would like to move the motion

[3:02:54] Voice 8: um if if that's all right uh so uh i moved the trust program there we go um i moved the trust

[3:03:03] Voice 8: programs committee forward to the financial planning committee for inclusion in the fiscal

[3:03:07] Voice 8: school year 2024-25 budget the business case for $15,000 per secretariat services.

[3:03:16] Voice 14: Do I have a

[3:03:17] Voice 14: seconder? Sue Ellen. Okay thank you. Okay is there further discussion on the motion on the floor?

[3:03:28] Voice 14: Trustee Harris?

[3:03:35] Voice 10: I'm just trying to get my mute button to work there. Yeah again I just won't

[3:03:39] Voice 10: be supporting this and again I'm completely shocked and I guess it's a crazy world so

[3:03:47] Voice 10: thank

[3:03:50] Voice 5: you for your comments all right if there's no

[3:03:53] Voice 14: further discussion I'm going to call the

[3:03:55] Voice 14: question that the trust programs committee forward to the financial planning committee

[3:03:59] Voice 14: for the inclusion of the fiscal year 2024-25 budget the business case for 15,000 for

[3:04:06] Voice 14: secretariat services all those in favor

[3:04:09] Voice 5: please raise your hand thank you very much please lower

[3:04:18] Voice 5: your hands i see trustee allen's hand came up there all those opposed please raise your hand

[3:04:33] Voice 5: thank you kindly if you can lower your hand and this motion has carried okay

[3:04:47] Voice 5: so now i believe that

[3:04:48] Voice 14: was the end of the request for decisions and now we can return back to 8.1

[3:04:55] Voice 14: which is the staff comments responding to the May 2023 email from David Duniston.

[3:05:07] Voice 5: So I'm going to turn this over to staff.

[3:05:17] Voice 14: Yeah, I'm just going to let staff give us a quick brief on this and then I'll come to the speakers list. Is that all right?

[3:05:24] Voice 12: Sure. Yeah, I will do a quick introduction to note that at your last meeting you asked us for comment.

[3:05:29] Voice 12: I thought best to put them in writing around the feedback.

[3:05:33] Voice 12: Again, we don't have a biologist on staff, aside from a conservancy staff biologist who's very focused on existing initiatives, and I don't have that background, so I've had to reach out to colleagues in the province and elsewhere to do my best to respond to these comments.

[3:05:49] Voice 12: Certainly happy to, you know, this is where we're taking it at this point, happy to take questions and have a continued conversation around how we undertake language.

[3:05:58] Voice 12: which again, yeah, so happy to take questions

[3:06:02] Voice 12: and respond to the comments I've given you.

[3:06:05] Voice 12: Perfect, thank you.

[3:06:06] Voice 12: Trustee Allen.

[3:06:08] Trustee Allen: Well, not a question,

[3:06:09] Trustee Allen: but I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier is that,

[3:06:13] Trustee Allen: you know, I'm not a forester, I'm not a biologist,

[3:06:15] Trustee Allen: so I don't know how, you know, the briefing here,

[3:06:18] Trustee Allen: how we're going to discuss it, frankly.

[3:06:21] Trustee Allen: I'm hoping that staff did their due diligence

[3:06:23] Trustee Allen: and I'm assuming they have,

[3:06:26] Trustee Allen: and I guess we'll hear from

[3:06:28] Voice 5: David Donison after the fact.

[3:06:30] Voice 5: again so yeah that's all i'll say um perhaps we can go

[3:06:38] Voice 14: through the letter a little bit i do have

[3:06:40] Voice 14: a few comments going through here um so and i wrote my comments on his letter versus um to the

[3:06:51] Voice 14: comments that were provided by staff so that may be a little bit of over blow here and i and i

[3:06:56] Voice 14: apologize but if if people are willing then i'll go through my comments and with the dog singing

[3:07:02] Voice 14: singing in the background. So and I think I think I've mentioned this before, and I will mention it

[3:07:08] Voice 14: again. And I note that David Duniston has also taken a similar approach here, that I think

[3:07:16] Voice 14: from from from, as a society, we've moved more into the awareness, it's more common knowledge

[3:07:26] Voice 14: now that climate change has a major impact, and that we have to do things differently than how

[3:07:32] Voice 14: they've been done in the past um but like i said um sorry there's noise going on in the background

[3:07:39] Voice 14: here too there is um there's a lot of awareness so moving from the um uh the the fear of the

[3:07:53] Voice 14: climate change to um some positive notes more more honey than the stick um and i appreciate

[3:08:01] Voice 14: that a lot of this material has been written and it's difficult to change a tone. I also am aware

[3:08:07] Voice 14: that a lot of this information resides with the conservancy, which is outside of our purview.

[3:08:12] Voice 14: So I'm acknowledging this, but where we do have a say and what we can do is start to

[3:08:20] Voice 14: sort of change the tone of our messaging to a more positive, like these are the steps that

[3:08:28] Voice 14: that we're taking.

[3:08:28] Voice 14: This is how we can make an effective change.

[3:08:31] Voice 14: This is where we can.

[3:08:33] Voice 14: This is what we've been able to accomplish.

[3:08:35] Voice 14: This is what we need to continue progressing.

[3:08:39] Voice 14: Like we're headed in a better track

[3:08:42] Voice 14: and keeping the protections in place

[3:08:47] Voice 14: and having people understand why they're there.

[3:08:50] Voice 14: That was sort of my first comment.

[3:08:54] Voice 14: so um going through his letter and from point one if

[3:08:59] Voice 5: we can maybe pop down there so so um

[3:09:10] Voice 5: what have i said here so

[3:09:15] Voice 14: um these these two statements that he's he's gotten here where

[3:09:20] Voice 14: it says the salt spring local the salt spring island local trust areas beautiful and vibrant

[3:09:25] Voice 14: lands if we can get down to that page that would be great yeah point one is at the bottom of the

[3:09:32] Voice 14: the page that's the one yes so these two where it's highlighted in red um so i i've been in

[3:09:41] Voice 14: marketing in in in the past as well and i and i know that um the way that words are used are

[3:09:53] Voice 14: we normally present the facts but how we spin the facts um supports our position mommy or another

[3:10:00] Voice 14: other um so while what we're saying here is true um it's also looking at it from the other point

[3:10:09] Voice 14: of you know um so while it says that it is under threat from development how much of a threat is

[3:10:15] Voice 14: there is it a small threat is it a large threat is it an impactful threat even though it's a small

[3:10:21] Voice 14: threat so i think in this in this day and age we have to sort of look at how we're positioning it

[3:10:29] Voice 14: through the inclusion or exclusion of information and again this this is where we need to have the

[3:10:36] Voice 14: expertise come in and that's that's not on this on this committee and I don't know how we're going

[3:10:46] Voice 14: to be able to do that so this is food for thought for later and it's well this conversation is going

[3:10:52] Voice 14: to be ongoing getting getting the expertise in here to take a look at how we're positioning it

[3:11:02] Voice 14: and the words that we're using is going to be important too because there was some interesting

[3:11:06] Voice 14: numbers that have been staff have also made their comments too so I really I don't know

[3:11:17] Voice 14: how to address this issue and then so I don't know if we just want to like maybe just go through

[3:11:26] Voice 14: these little bit by little bit and see if anybody else has any comments so that that was my comments

[3:11:30] Voice 14: on on point one i

[3:11:33] Voice 5: see trustee harris has his hand up these are great points i we don't have any

[3:11:44] Voice 10: place for bias at this point it needs to be stricken from from the islands trust is in my

[3:11:52] Voice 10: opinion it's harming our communities plain and simple and if if statements are biased and

[3:12:00] Voice 10: you know leaning one way and clearly it's been on the environmental heavy environmental side for a

[3:12:08] Voice 10: long time and it's had a negative impact like there's no disputing that it's harmed our

[3:12:14] Voice 10: communities so what we do about it i don't know hopefully clearly we change our way and maybe this

[3:12:22] Voice 10: is the start of that i don't know but um there's no room for bias in my opinion and um let's leave

[3:12:30] Voice 10: it there thank

[3:12:32] Voice 14: you very much so i think what i'm hearing from you correct me if i'm wrong

[3:12:37] Voice 14: um and i i think what i'm hearing and i'm basing this on on a lot of the comments that you've made

[3:12:45] Voice 14: throughout this meeting is that the way the information is being presented currently is

[3:12:54] Voice 14: alienating the

[3:12:55] Voice 5: willingness of uh people to um learn more how they can work together with

[3:13:06] Voice 14: with protecting our islands?

[3:13:10] Voice 14: I'm not sure.

[3:13:11] Voice 10: Well, I don't know, Chair Evans, to what extent?

[3:13:17] Voice 10: So here we got, they're under threat from development.

[3:13:20] Voice 10: So what do you want to do?

[3:13:21] Voice 10: You want to stop development

[3:13:23] Voice 10: or do you want to just stifle it?

[3:13:25] Voice 10: So it's an excruciating process for people

[3:13:30] Voice 10: that are living in the community,

[3:13:31] Voice 10: trying to deal with their, you know,

[3:13:33] Voice 10: make their way with their traditional livelihoods.

[3:13:37] Voice 10: i don't know and as we can see that there's 70 percent of the of the islands are as contiguous

[3:13:43] Voice 10: forest cover at this point we know that there's a vast um the number of growth compared to what

[3:13:49] Voice 10: is cut here is a huge huge number like you know i have a hard time i feel like you know a broken

[3:13:55] Voice 10: record but um so it's just pretty clear to me to stop with the bias however we're going to do that

[3:14:02] Voice 10: I don't know. I guess starting with the changing of language and then hopefully in policymaking.

[3:14:09] Voice 10: And, you know, we have, there's a housing crisis going on and the wildfire threat and we're

[3:14:15] Voice 10: talking semantics. We need, there needs to be fire breaks. And that's, you know, clearly it

[3:14:21] Voice 10: doesn't go with, fall in line with the rarest ecosystems in the world because we're going to

[3:14:26] Voice 10: have to cut some trees down and actually clear some ground right um now talk about value like

[3:14:35] Voice 10: we're talking about spending money well i guess you could talk about it as spending some um

[3:14:41] Voice 10: some ecosystem space but the greater good we're going to get from that

[3:14:45] Voice 10: is will be huge in case we do have a fire here because on any of these islands as we've seen

[3:14:53] Voice 10: what's going on in other places in the world and right in our in our own backyard in the province

[3:14:58] Voice 10: here and it's horrific so um you know we need to start leaning

[3:15:04] Voice 5: towards unbiased um facts and

[3:15:13] Voice 5: again i don't know how we're going to get there um some thought thank you uh yes

[3:15:21] Trustee Fast: okay trustee fast

[3:15:22] Trustee Fast: uh thank you chair um to uh follow up a little bit on uh trustee harris's uh

[3:15:30] Trustee Fast: point about needing the facts um i'm looking at page 37 of uh our agenda today and this is the

[3:15:39] Trustee Fast: one with the little chart on it that talks about uh yeah that's the one thank you and um this is

[3:15:46] Trustee Fast: a chart attempting to indicate about how much disturbance there is on on the islands and uh

[3:15:55] Trustee Fast: regarding um uh having the facts uh at our um and and making them available to people in the

[3:16:02] Trustee Fast: community uh this uh chart is from the you know 2014 is when it dates from uh and uh well the the

[3:16:17] Trustee Fast: It's almost 10 years out of date and things are changing fast, as you point out, Chair Evans, in terms of climate changes and other trustees who spoke about the changing wildfire risk and water availability and all these things.

[3:16:35] Trustee Fast: So all of these, you know, if they depend on a healthy ecosystems, which I believe, which I think is facts, then maybe one thing that everybody on this committee might agree is that we need to update this kind of information, these indicators of how is the trust doing

[3:17:05] Trustee Fast: at preserving and protecting this is a really rough indication but that maybe

[3:17:11] Trustee Fast: there are better tools now but I like the idea that a staff of suggested in

[3:17:20] Trustee Fast: here that we might this committee might want to recommend if this is something

[3:17:25] Trustee Fast: we agree on that to trust counsel that as part of the strategic plan we could

[3:17:33] Trustee Fast: update this analysis so that everybody's got the facts that's something that this committee

[3:17:38] Trustee Fast: might want uh to recommend i don't know but i'll just make that comment and uh we could

[3:17:43] Trustee Fast: recommend it to trust council thank you thank you

[3:17:48] Voice 14: i appreciate that um okay trustee harris back to

[3:17:53] Voice 14: you again so

[3:17:55] Voice 10: you know to this chart here it would be nice to know the definition of disturbance like

[3:18:00] Voice 10: Like, what precisely does that mean?

[3:18:02] Voice 10: What, you know, what are we talking about here?

[3:18:04] Voice 10: What I do know is that the amount cut on Salt Spring Island, and I realize it's probably

[3:18:10] Voice 10: more significant on other islands, the amount of trees cut versus what grows is so small.

[3:18:19] Voice 10: You know, the amount that grows is, you know, 20 times larger than what is cut.

[3:18:26] Voice 10: So it's more than sustainable.

[3:18:28] Voice 10: So why are we bothering to spend all this time and effort on trying to fight it?

[3:18:37] Voice 10: And at the same time, I'm seeing the community suffer so greatly with this housing and workforce housing crisis here on Salt Spring anyways.

[3:18:45] Voice 10: So when I see time and effort put on things that just stifle any action that might help alleviate the crisis, it's troublesome.

[3:18:58] Voice 10: troublesome.

[3:19:00] Voice 5: But I, I

[3:19:05] Voice 10: know I had another point there. It's easy to, it's easy to get lost in

[3:19:10] Voice 10: these types of discussions. It's very important. And anyhow, I'll leave it at that. Love your

[3:19:17] Voice 10: thoughts. Thank

[3:19:18] Voice 14: you. So, okay. Yeah, so like I said before, regarding point one, I think it's

[3:19:25] Voice 14: important that we do look at the tone of our language and perhaps it's time for an adjustment

[3:19:33] Voice 14: given the the state that we are in as a society today um bringing forward new new facts and um

[3:19:43] Voice 14: updated information that we have is also important and making sure that that is

[3:19:49] Voice 14: um known as well uh the fact that we have been so vigilant with our islands is the only reason

[3:19:58] Voice 14: why they're in the beautiful state that they're in today and i know that everyone wants to maintain

[3:20:03] Voice 14: that for as long as possible and change is inevitable and growth is also inevitable

[3:20:10] Voice 14: but it's how we manage that that's going to be important as as a as trust council and local

[3:20:18] Voice 14: trust committees but um that's sort of a side topic here what we're looking at now is uh the

[3:20:26] Voice 14: it is specifically referring to how the information regarding the cdf information

[3:20:32] Voice 14: is being presented um so those are sort of my comments on the first section i didn't really

[3:20:41] Voice 14: have much to say on the second section if somebody else does trustee fest i'm

[3:20:50] Trustee Fast: not sure which section

[3:20:51] Trustee Fast: you're talking about are you talking about the denison letter yes

[3:20:55] Voice 14: i'm on the denison letter

[3:20:56] Voice 14: all right well i'm now just going down to point two okay uh

[3:21:02] Trustee Fast: i i just i had one other point and

[3:21:05] Trustee Fast: that's that i really appreciate that uh staff have uh adjusted all the language uh to just

[3:21:13] Trustee Fast: Just refer to British Columbia. So then it's neater, completer, easier to edit, and it may not be the biggest, like maybe, I know from reading that some of the things are, some of the ecosystems are globally rare, but staff have put it all in just in the British Columbia.

[3:21:38] Trustee Fast: And for now, I think that's a great and straightforward change to make.

[3:21:48] Trustee Fast: And so I appreciate that. Thank you.

[3:21:51] Trustee Fast: Yeah, thank

[3:21:52] Voice 14: you for that comment.

[3:21:56] Voice 14: Okay, so like I said, I didn't really have anything to say on two and it doesn't look like there are any additional comments.

[3:22:02] Voice 14: So popping down to Section three, there was some interesting elements in here.

[3:22:12] Voice 14: And if we can just pop down to these staff comments, because like I said, I'm trying to go in between.

[3:22:21] Voice 14: Right. Yes, the staff has had conversations with ecologists. So that's great.

[3:22:26] Voice 14: Great. Yeah, and it will be interesting to look at the information that David has put in here regarding the number of species and plants at risk to review that.

[3:22:42] Voice 14: So that's great that that's in the works. And that also like there's been a lot of conversation already surrounding the accuracy there.

[3:22:51] Voice 14: there. So thank you very much for that work. Does anybody have any additional comments on

[3:22:58] Voice 14: this third section, Trustee Harris?

[3:23:01] Voice 10: I'm not sure where the, which section it's in. I was trying to

[3:23:05] Voice 10: go through my portion of the letter where there's a line in there where it says, sadly, because of

[3:23:10] Voice 10: logging. And I know I made comments by email and sent it to the trustees, to everybody. And that's

[3:23:18] Voice 10: a prime example of bias which is in my opinion disrespectful to many people in our community

[3:23:24] Voice 10: including first nations who use logging to sustain themselves and have done so for generations

[3:23:32] Voice 10: that's a prime example of a biased comment that does not belong in my opinion in any of our

[3:23:39] Voice 10: literature or public information a comment like that to me is nothing but inflammatory

[3:23:43] Voice 10: okay

[3:23:44] Voice 14: so question is is that comment in this letter

[3:23:47] Voice 10: yes

[3:23:48] Voice 14: are you talking

[3:23:49] Voice 10: somewhere in there

[3:23:50] Voice 10: i'm sorry i don't know exactly

[3:23:52] Voice 14: the staff was just doing a search and they just didn't see it so i'm

[3:23:55] Voice 14: just uh curious so i

[3:24:00] Voice 12: found this i don't know if it's in the letter but i found it on the website

[3:24:04] Voice 12: it's a care for your land page it says sadly because of logging development climate change

[3:24:10] Voice 12: and other pressures many of these ecosystems are now endangered some only covering a small

[3:24:15] Voice 12: percentages of their historic range if the word sadly is of concern it's an easy edit and i could

[3:24:20] Voice 12: take that off well

[3:24:20] Voice 10: just because of logging in general like it you know it it it disregards the

[3:24:26] Voice 10: fact that logging is built to the coast you know if it wasn't for the logging we wouldn't have

[3:24:32] Voice 10: these roads here in the first place um it's and it's inflammatory and it's to me it's completely

[3:24:39] Voice 10: biased we're going to need more logging to help us with deal with the wildfire and

[3:24:46] Voice 10: again it's a renewable resource that we have here and to call it to demonize it it's just plain

[3:24:53] Voice 10: wrong and that kind of stuff needs to be stricken in my opinion i don't know how other people feel

[3:24:58] Voice 10: about that but that's that's a start thank

[3:25:04] Voice 14: you trustee harris i think what you're doing there

[3:25:06] Voice 14: as you're actually speaking to the comment

[3:25:08] Voice 14: that I keep raising is changing the tone.

[3:25:12] Voice 14: So changing the tone on how we're addressing these items.

[3:25:16] Voice 14: So rather than pointing fingers at specific industries,

[3:25:22] Voice 14: flicking the comment altogether

[3:25:24] Voice 14: and trying to find positive outcomes

[3:25:28] Voice 14: instead of the negative ones.

[3:25:32] Voice 14: Trustee Peterson.

[3:25:33] Voice 14: yeah

[3:25:35] Voice 9: thank you with with regard to um this you know the sadly comment uh you know to me it's

[3:25:44] Voice 9: clear that that uh logging is listed as a factor along with others now it that statement could be

[3:25:55] Voice 9: more nuanced because i'm sure that uh i'm sure that trustee harris would agree that there are

[3:26:01] Voice 9: are better and and and uh or more or less destructive logging practices out there

[3:26:08] Voice 9: and and and and so there could be a qualifier uh and you know saying poor poor logging practices

[3:26:17] Voice 9: because clearly there is a there's a large difference um in in range of logging practices

[3:26:22] Voice 9: is and some absolutely uh create down downstream problems whether it's uh whether it's to do with

[3:26:32] Voice 9: fish habitat or or or other other environmental issues so i i think i get where what trustee

[3:26:42] Voice 9: harris is saying and and i would agree that that it would be more neutral to use a qualifier there

[3:26:48] Voice 9: instead of a more blanket logging,

[3:26:51] Voice 9: so poor practices or some way to identify.

[3:26:57] Voice 9: But I get that it's listed as one of several factors

[3:27:04] Voice 9: in that particular statement.

[3:27:05] Voice 9: So I just wanted to share my thoughts on that.

[3:27:09] Voice 14: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[3:27:10] Voice 14: Good points.

[3:27:12] Voice 14: Trustee Harris again?

[3:27:13] Voice 10: Well, you know, point well taken,

[3:27:16] Voice 10: but our practices and logging have changed dramatically from 20 years ago,

[3:27:24] Voice 10: 30, 40, 50 years ago, there already are changed.

[3:27:28] Voice 10: The logging practices are okay on here on, on the Gulf islands now.

[3:27:35] Voice 10: And with exclusion possibly to, I'm not sure if it's,

[3:27:39] Voice 10: if it's Bowen or Gambier, which you still have timber sales on crown land.

[3:27:43] Voice 10: We don't have that on the rest. Well, it's definitely not on salt spray.

[3:27:46] Voice 10: I don't know which other islands have timber sales, but, you know, then the province could be approached to deal with that if there's, you know, large timber sales happening.

[3:27:57] Voice 10: But that's not what's happening here in the Gulf Islands.

[3:27:59] Voice 10: And we're seeing immense growth of forest and the practices are already good.

[3:28:06] Voice 10: So, again, because of logging, to me, it's not fair.

[3:28:12] Voice 10: fair um logging up needs to be celebrated in my opinion um and an opinion of many others and again

[3:28:20] Voice 10: there's local first nations that they that's their livelihood and they feel greatly disrespected from

[3:28:27] Voice 10: that kind of language um not to say that what they think is the final of everything but they are

[3:28:34] Voice 10: they are included in that and um as are other members of the community such as myself i'm a

[3:28:39] Voice 10: logger um and we've been attacked so i would love to see that taken out of there um to me it's

[3:28:51] Voice 10: completely it's biased yes there's other factors put them in there if you know is it true is there

[3:28:57] Voice 10: it's unbiased then let's put it in there but anyways i'll leave it there okay

[3:29:04] Voice 14: so i'm just

[3:29:05] Voice 14: going to also add in that managed forests are regulated so yeah I hear your point trustee Harris

[3:29:17] Voice 5: so let's let's leave it at that okay

[3:29:26] Voice 14: the next the next section in David Duniston's letter is section

[3:29:32] Voice 14: section four and this let's just see what staff said on that once we can get down there

[3:29:42] Voice 14: there we go section four um yes so this is where you said that you were changing the cdf

[3:29:51] Voice 14: cp to the province of bc so i i'm glad to see that that that changes in there especially um

[3:30:00] Voice 14: After, like I said, I just recently learned about the need for the registered biologists

[3:30:07] Voice 14: that I needed for advice. So that I think is a very good change. Does anybody else have any

[3:30:16] Voice 14: comments on

[3:30:18] Voice 5: that section? Okay, not seeing any. Let's pop on to section five then.

[3:30:26] Voice 5: five right so yes

[3:30:43] Voice 14: um this one here was addressing that the cdf forest is good for mental health and

[3:30:52] Voice 14: i think the um the thing that the simple fix here would just be to drop the cdf and just say

[3:30:59] Voice 14: forests are good for um for forests are important for people's mental health

[3:31:06] Voice 14: rather than specifically identifying CDF in there?

[3:31:11] Voice 14: Because I think that that is a broad statement

[3:31:15] Voice 14: and universally understood and accepted.

[3:31:19] Voice 14: It's not just CDF forests that are important for health

[3:31:22] Voice 14: and mental health.

[3:31:24] Voice 14: Trustee Harris?

[3:31:27] Voice 10: Yeah, that's a good point, Chair Evans,

[3:31:29] Voice 10: but does this comment even need to be in there?

[3:31:32] Voice 10: Like what's it implying?

[3:31:33] Voice 10: i don't

[3:31:35] Voice 5: i have i really struggle with um with

[3:31:41] Voice 10: the island's trust and this type of stuff

[3:31:44] Voice 10: so

[3:31:45] Voice 12: i will just add this is not a guide from trust air services this is a planning document

[3:31:49] Voice 12: produced by a planner um i'm trying to tweak it right but at some point maybe if you really want

[3:31:55] Voice 12: to wholesale review of that document you should go back to regional planning committee yeah possibly

[3:32:00] Voice 10: The comment to me, I don't, I could be wrong, but it's like, it's saying, well, yeah, I don't know.

[3:32:09] Voice 5: Leslie Fest?

[3:32:14] Voice 5: You're on mute, darling.

[3:32:16] Voice 5: Sorry.

[3:32:17] Trustee Fast: I think with the amount of time we're spending on this individual's comments, and we're not making decisions necessarily here, I don't see this number five as inaccurate.

[3:32:31] Trustee Fast: It's not inaccurate.

[3:32:34] Trustee Fast: It's accurate.

[3:32:35] Trustee Fast: and uh so i don't know why uh maybe we could um uh move on sounds

[3:32:44] Voice 14: good yes my only comment was

[3:32:45] Voice 14: if we just remove the cdf that takes care of the issue um trustee harris again yeah

[3:32:55] Voice 10: again i think it's ridiculous honestly a comment like this does no place in the literature or to

[3:33:02] Voice 10: do with you know is it a fact yeah well there's plenty of things are facts are we going to point

[3:33:06] Voice 10: you know i'm really stunned by this kind of stuff this is there's nothing good for our communities

[3:33:14] Voice 10: it's disrespectful you know okay

[3:33:18] Voice 14: um i'm

[3:33:19] Voice 10: just going to

[3:33:20] Voice 14: interrupt there i'm

[3:33:21] Voice 10: shocked i really

[3:33:22] Voice 10: am shocked i can't even believe i you know i'm sitting here

[3:33:25] Voice 14: it's okay trustee harris trustee

[3:33:27] Voice 14: harris i'm just going to interrupt you sorry i understand and i can see your frustration

[3:33:31] Voice 14: frustration um and i can see that you're you're you're frustrated here um but let's try to how

[3:33:41] Voice 10: about how about this i'm sorry to interrupt how about this that all this kind of stuff

[3:33:45] Voice 10: and these heavy you know biased leanings have a an impact on people's mental health in the

[3:33:53] Voice 10: community it's driven polarization it's exasperated climate anxiety amongst many in the community

[3:34:00] Voice 10: it's not hard to see that like I'm not I didn't just do this so I could come here and say all

[3:34:05] Voice 10: this crap you know I fought for many people in this community elected me to come and sit here

[3:34:13] Voice 10: and this is the last thing on earth I wanted to be doing right and it's I'm here to fight against

[3:34:20] Voice 10: this so I'm going to be vocal about it and I think this kind of comment has no place in local

[3:34:25] Voice 10: government i

[3:34:28] Voice 5: appreciate your comments there trustee harris did i freeze again trustee peterson

[3:34:46] Voice 9: uh yeah you did um uh there was just a comment from um trustee allen had to leave earlier and

[3:34:55] Voice 9: uh was hoping that it wasn't going to affect the

[3:34:59] Voice 5: quorum i don't believe it does but uh staff is

[3:35:06] Voice 5: more than willing to more than welcome to correct me if i'm wrong

[3:35:10] Voice 5: on that one i know it's fine

[3:35:14] Voice 5: thank you trustee fast yeah

[3:35:18] Trustee Fast: thank you i uh chair i was wondering if other trustees uh have any um

[3:35:23] Trustee Fast: particular things to say on this topic or can we move on yeah there's there's

[3:35:29] Voice 14: uh two more sections

[3:35:31] Voice 14: so trustee peterson uh

[3:35:34] Voice 9: i was just gonna say that in in general i appreciate that staff are going

[3:35:39] Voice 9: through um mr dennison's comments in a methodical manner and and seeking to make changes

[3:35:48] Voice 9: and and respect to that process so I really want to just give staff appreciation for taking the

[3:35:55] Voice 9: time and and putting their brains to you know try to make this a more neutral but still positive

[3:36:03] Voice 9: um outlooking document thank

[3:36:07] Voice 5: you um I

[3:36:11] Voice 14: didn't have any comments on section six and on section

[3:36:14] Voice 14: option seven, where it says the Ireland's Trust area does not hold or something about

[3:36:23] Voice 14: the Ireland's Trust holds 25%. What about if we changed holds because that's apparently

[3:36:28] Voice 14: seemed to be problematic. I understand the legal usage and meaning of hold. But for anyone

[3:36:38] Voice 14: in the public who doesn't, maybe we just say it contains 25% of the CDF zone. That was

[3:36:47] Voice 14: That was my only comment there.

[3:36:48] Voice 14: I really appreciate all the work

[3:36:50] Voice 14: that's been done by staff here.

[3:36:51] Voice 14: There's been a lot of review

[3:36:54] Voice 14: and I appreciate that David Donison

[3:36:57] Voice 14: raised all of this and brought it forward.

[3:36:59] Voice 14: There's a lot of work that he's been putting in himself too.

[3:37:02] Voice 14: And I'm hoping that as a trust council

[3:37:07] Voice 14: and as a committee here,

[3:37:09] Voice 14: we can start moving towards a

[3:37:11] Voice 5: positive approach.

[3:37:19] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair.

[3:37:21] Voice 12: If I can note on that last one,

[3:37:23] Voice 12: And as I noted, we can't really change that last sentence.

[3:37:25] Voice 12: It's in a document that's been approved by the minister

[3:37:27] Voice 12: and there's about to be a new plan

[3:37:28] Voice 12: at some point in the future.

[3:37:30] Voice 12: So staff won't be moving to try and adjust that sentence.

[3:37:34] Voice 12: Got it, no worries.

[3:37:36] Voice 12: And what I will note is staff are working

[3:37:38] Voice 12: on a communication strategy.

[3:37:40] Voice 12: We've, of course, in the last number of years

[3:37:41] Voice 12: had a real difficulty in retaining communication staff.

[3:37:45] Voice 12: Now that we've got two permanent people in place,

[3:37:47] Voice 12: we are working on a communication strategy

[3:37:49] Voice 12: to bring forward to the executive committee,

[3:37:51] Voice 12: which holds responsibility at the trust for communications.

[3:37:54] Voice 12: So certainly if this committee has recommendations,

[3:37:58] Voice 12: you can, or as you as individual trustees,

[3:38:00] Voice 12: you can certainly bring those forward to executive committee

[3:38:03] Voice 12: as we work towards more sort of wholesale corporate

[3:38:06] Voice 12: permanent improvements to our communication program

[3:38:09] Voice 12: and look at the resourcing of it.

[3:38:11] Voice 12: So just wanted to advise you of that.

[3:38:13] Voice 12: That's something that's in motion right now.

[3:38:14] Voice 12: And each of you hopefully will get interviewed

[3:38:16] Voice 12: and have an opportunity to inform the development

[3:38:18] Voice 12: of that strategy.

[3:38:19] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:38:20] Voice 12: Brilliant,

[3:38:21] Voice 14: thank you. Yes, change on this magnitude is slow and it takes time because it is pervasive.

[3:38:28] Voice 14: So I appreciate the amount of work that's involved, having gone through this process in other areas myself too.

[3:38:36] Voice 14: Trustee Harris again.

[3:38:38] Voice 10: Thank you. Number seven is, you know, as this is true, it's completely misleading.

[3:38:45] Voice 10: misleading why are we not okay i'm

[3:38:48] Voice 10: just going to

[3:38:48] Voice 14: interrupt you because um staff rated just

[3:38:52] Voice 14: advised this is a government document i understand i'm just

[3:38:56] Voice 10: making the comment that this is completely

[3:38:59] Voice 10: it's and this is the kind of thing we need to look at in the future but this is completely

[3:39:03] Voice 10: misleading and why can we not show the true range and extent of the cdf zone even though it's in the

[3:39:09] Voice 10: the United States. Let people know the truth. This is misleading and is a slant or a spin

[3:39:17] Voice 10: on the facts. It's not hard to come

[3:39:22] Voice 5: to that conclusion. Thank you. Okay. As a whole,

[3:39:29] Voice 14: do we have any other comments on the work that staff has done regarding addressing the concerns

[3:39:35] Voice 14: zones raised by David Dennison.

[3:39:40] Voice 14: Okay,

[3:39:41] Voice 5: so thank you everyone for your comments

[3:39:44] Voice 14: and thank you staff for all the work that you've done

[3:39:48] Voice 14: in looking into this and trying to address these items

[3:39:52] Voice 14: as well and bringing forward your changes.

[3:39:56] Voice 14: There were no new business items brought forward.

[3:40:01] Voice 14: And so now we will be moving on to the work program portion

[3:40:05] Voice 14: of the agenda, so section 10, and I'll turn this over.

[3:40:11] Voice 14: to staff Rita.

[3:40:13] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[3:40:15] Voice 12: This is your work program that you approved last time.

[3:40:19] Voice 12: This is before you now to see if you'd like any changes

[3:40:22] Voice 12: before you provide it to Trust Council

[3:40:25] Voice 12: for their contemplation in September.

[3:40:27] Voice 12: At this time on page one here, your active projects,

[3:40:30] Voice 12: staff don't have any recommendations for changes to this.

[3:40:33] Voice 12: And on the next page are your proposed future projects,

[3:40:36] Voice 12: which I would just note at this time,

[3:40:39] Voice 12: there are no staff resources in view that would assist you in moving on to these at this time so

[3:40:44] Voice 12: at this point they're sort of aspirational until such time as someone chooses to allocate resources

[3:40:48] Voice 12: to them and last term there was a decision made to only offer the stewardship program in the final

[3:40:53] Voice 12: year of the term

[3:40:54] Voice 5: good to know thank you does anyone

[3:41:00] Trustee Fast: have any comments uh stewardship program

[3:41:04] Trustee Fast: that director frader mentioned that that's the awards program is that what you mean that's right

[3:41:09] Trustee Fast: that last number three there is the awards program thank you a just stewardship program we also have

[3:41:13] Trustee Fast: the stewardship education program i was just making sure i wasn't uh misunderstanding it was

[3:41:19] Trustee Fast: clear thank you yeah

[3:41:20] Voice 12: and to be clear for just because some of you may not know the history

[3:41:23] Voice 12: this community benefit land trust is related to affordable housing and whether or not the trust

[3:41:27] Voice 12: wishes to explore holding land for affordable housing or other community benefit purposes

[3:41:32] Voice 12: so it would be a major piece of work to sort of look at the legal framework and how to move into

[3:41:36] Voice 12: to the trust actually holding land for

[3:41:40] Voice 5: that purpose I think that would be an interesting

[3:41:43] Voice 5: conversation to have in the future not today does anyone have

[3:41:51] Voice 5: any comments questions did I interrupt

[3:41:57] Voice 5: you stuff right or were

[3:41:58] Voice 14: you going to say I

[3:41:59] Voice 12: would just say um if there aren't any changes that

[3:42:01] Voice 12: anyone wants then you could just simply forward it to trust council as presented okay do you need a

[3:42:07] Voice 12: a

[3:42:07] Voice 14: motion

[3:42:09] Voice 5: for that yes please okay and you see one's drafted for you on screen

[3:42:17] Voice 5: trustee fast thank

[3:42:19] Voice 14: you um you're you're on mute i

[3:42:24] Trustee Fast: move that the trust programs committee

[3:42:25] Trustee Fast: request the work program to be forwarded to trust council thank

[3:42:33] Voice 5: you uh trustee borthwick

[3:42:35] Voice 5: has seconded any comments any discussion okay

[3:42:44] Voice 14: then i'm going to move the question as presented

[3:42:47] Voice 14: all those in favor

[3:42:50] Voice 5: please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand and if any are opposed

[3:43:01] Voice 5: please raise your hand seeing none this is this motion is carried thank you very much

[3:43:15] Voice 5: so our next

[3:43:19] Voice 14: item on the agenda is just to announce when our next meeting is going to be which is

[3:43:25] Voice 14: Monday November the 6th 2023 from 10 to 3 p.m and I believe that we are now at the end of our

[3:43:37] Voice 14: meeting so unless there's anything else that needs to be brought forward I'm going to move that we

[3:43:43] Voice 14: adjourn the meeting all good okay so by general consent the meeting is adjourned thank you very

[3:43:52] Voice 14: much for a very good discussion and I appreciate everyone's time and input this has been a been a

[3:44:00] Voice 14: really good one thank you so much bye

[3:44:03] Voice 5: see you later well

[3:44:15] Voice 1: done chair Evans