Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 8, 2023

[0:00:06] Voice 4: Well, Grant, I was not seeing you up there, so I thought we were finished.

[0:00:11] Voice 4: Actually, I've had a lot of meetings, so I'm not familiar with it.

[0:00:16] Voice 4: What was it?

[0:00:17] Voice 4: In June, we met with the regional district, and we talked about everything from little

[0:00:25] Voice 4: trips, kind of an outhouse replacement, which is very exciting for some people.

[0:00:30] Voice 4: The boat launch conversation continues to go on in terms of getting boat launch fixed.

[0:00:36] Voice 4: fixed, we're going to try and work with that in some areas.

[0:00:41] Voice 4: The convention happens in terms of me partnering and getting some funding,

[0:00:45] Voice 4: and that's been going on for years.

[0:00:48] Voice 4: And then in August, I'm actually, the membership,

[0:00:53] Voice 4: I'm on the Trust Programs Committee and the Investment Planning Committee.

[0:00:56] Voice 4: So in August, we talked about stewardship education and different webinars

[0:01:02] Voice 4: that we're going to be presenting next year.

[0:01:04] Voice 4: So I did put out an ask in Facebook, I don't know what Facebook is, but it was presented in terms of a very short survey questionnaire.

[0:01:14] Voice 4: Three questions is basically what you'd like to see in webinars, you know, in terms of anything from well water to...

[0:01:26] Voice 4: If people aren't on Facebook, I can give you a forward email address on September 15th.

[0:01:35] Voice 4: And then, the regional planning committee went on as well, and we've been working on a housing strategy toolkit, and we've got a very large report on gas analysis, which is basically what's missing in all the housing assessment reports.

[0:01:54] Voice 4: And ours is giving up, we are...

[0:01:56] Voice 4: Can you speak up a bit?

[0:01:57] Voice 4: Oh, sorry, okay.

[0:01:58] Voice 8: I can't hear a thing.

[0:01:59] Voice 4: Did you not hear a thing?

[0:02:00] Voice 4: No.

[0:02:01] Voice 4: I need a microphone.

[0:02:02] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah.

[0:02:03] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[0:02:05] Voice 4: Because I'm supposed to be talking here as opposed to talking to you, I thought.

[0:02:08] Voice 4: that's anyways okay um regional planning committee i was on that and um i'm on the committee and

[0:02:16] Voice 4: basically we had a meeting actually a seven hour meeting on wednesday staring at a computer it was

[0:02:22] Voice 4: really fun and uh basically we're working on the housing toolkit and housing strategy and we had

[0:02:28] Voice 4: this report regarding missing gaps in all our housing reports uh trust wide so i'm trying to

[0:02:36] Voice 4: get that forwarded to our local housing group and all of our items are coming up

[0:02:41] Voice 4: with a housing needs report again. It's a legislative requirement every five years

[0:02:48] Voice 4: where Salisbury Island is the only one that isn't up for that. It's a couple more years. So there's lots of

[0:02:55] Voice 4: things going on in that regard and if you didn't hear about the stewardship I told

[0:03:00] Voice 4: you because of my voice, basically you can, there'll be a questionnaire you can

[0:03:06] Voice 4: answer regarding what you'd like to see in webinars in the future and so if

[0:03:11] Voice 4: anybody is not on Facebook I can forward you the email connection for the

[0:03:15] Voice 4: questionnaire it's a survey monkey and I've talked enough and mumbled enough

[0:03:20] Voice 4: and I'll get my co-trustee here. Thank you.

[0:03:28] Voice 20: Can you hear me all right? Yeah so on the fair

[0:03:33] Voice 20: Ferries, I think it seemed to work very well this summer with the bigger ferry here, the Quinetza, on our side,

[0:03:41] Voice 20: and then the two ferries running on the other side.

[0:03:44] Voice 20: It seemed to work very well, and I think we're very fortunate that Karen had a lot to do with lobbying for that.

[0:03:52] Voice 20: So I'm now on the ferry advisory committee, and we'll be certainly encouraging the bigger ferry is here now until December,

[0:04:03] Voice 20: and then it'll kick in, I don't think you really know when it's going to kick in again for next year,

[0:04:09] Voice 20: but all the plans are to have it somewhere for next year, which is a good thing.

[0:04:15] Voice 20: So another local issue, Conservancy Hornby Island is organizing a forest fest for October the 28th, 29th,

[0:04:26] Voice 20: and like Herring Fest, it's kind of along that same theme,

[0:04:30] Voice 20: celebrating the amazing forest that we have on Hornby Island and there's some

[0:04:36] Voice 20: excellent speakers John Valiant's coming if you know him he he's a quite a BC

[0:04:42] Voice 20: author wrote The Golden Spruce and The Tiger and a number of other books he's

[0:04:46] Voice 20: gonna come and he just Fire Weather is his latest book that just came out a couple of

[0:04:50] Voice 20: months ago and if you want to scare the daylights out of yourself read that book

[0:04:56] Voice 20: And it was scary this summer, I've got to say, around the fire thing and water.

[0:05:01] Voice 20: And so these are all issues that we all have to deal with all the time.

[0:05:07] Voice 20: And thankfully, the Water Stewardship Group and others on the island are working on that.

[0:05:12] Voice 20: So on a good news environmental story, it's been an absolutely amazing year for coho and springs and fishing out here.

[0:05:23] Voice 20: And the herring seems to have been a pretty good herring spawn, which probably builds into that, you know, the herring.

[0:05:31] Voice 20: And therefore the cobalt springs are here, which begs this question, why?

[0:05:37] Voice 20: I don't think anybody really knows why, but they're very cyclical in nature.

[0:05:41] Voice 20: But anyway, it was a very good year, so that's a good news story.

[0:05:45] Voice 20: And there's still lots of fish out there. It's quite amazing.

[0:05:48] Voice 20: so i'll just i'll just repeat that thank you thank

[0:05:52] Voice 17: you um so for the chair's report i don't have

[0:05:56] Voice 17: anything terribly recent to report but i would just mention that the trust council back at the

[0:06:03] Voice 17: end of june um trust council started uh working towards the new corporate planning process which

[0:06:12] Voice 17: is attempting to integrate strategic planning and financial planning the work

[0:06:20] Voice 17: of setting up the new plan is ongoing but we conducted a SWOT analysis which

[0:06:28] Voice 17: is strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats and I think that was pretty

[0:06:33] Voice 17: good we had trustee sponsored request for decision on revamping the First

[0:06:43] Voice 17: Nations referral process which I think most of us recognize is fairly

[0:06:50] Voice 17: inadequate and try to look at ways to do that better and part of that is to

[0:06:57] Voice 17: actually we're engaging the First Nations themselves to find out how they

[0:07:03] Voice 17: They think we might do better if they have thoughts on that.

[0:07:08] Voice 17: So that was part of that busy council as usual.

[0:07:13] Voice 17: I've had the pleasure of having most of August off, however.

[0:07:17] Voice 17: So I'm going to conclude there and we'll go on to our next item.

[0:07:24] Voice 17: We don't have the electoral director area today.

[0:07:28] Voice 17: So that brings us to the public comment section.

[0:07:30] Voice 17: section, just to remind everyone to be concise, use respectful language, speak to the issues,

[0:07:39] Voice 17: direct any questions to the trustees, and I will use a timer to try and keep us timely

[0:07:49] Voice 17: here.

[0:07:50] Voice 17: So I'll do two minutes per speaker.

[0:07:53] Voice 17: If there's plenty of time left, we can come down around for a second round.

[0:07:57] Voice 17: I'm

[0:07:58] Voice 16: sorry. We were told three minutes per speaker.

[0:08:01] Voice 17: You just cut out a third of my remarks.

[0:08:04] Voice 17: Okay. Let's go three minutes a speaker.

[0:08:08] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:08:08] Voice 7: Question?

[0:08:09] Voice 17: Yes.

[0:08:13] Voice 7: I'm really kind of astonished at this minimal amount of time you're giving a person to speak.

[0:08:20] Voice 7: We've elected trustees to support us and how do these trustees ever get an idea of what we're trying to get across if we're cut off at three minutes?

[0:08:31] Voice 7: I mean, I know how many times you meet me here and don't tend to come because basically, you know, we've got three minutes.

[0:08:38] Voice 7: Well, some people have a little bit more to say.

[0:08:40] Voice 7: The one

[0:08:41] Voice 7: thing I didn't notice very much is I don't actually get the trustees thinking

[0:08:47] Voice 7: necessarily they're hearing, I do know some do, but you're never asked a question.

[0:08:53] Voice 7: So I mean I've been insured a whole time meeting most of my life and the thing is one thing

[0:08:59] Voice 7: is if somebody asks a question of the person that's giving the speaking so they understand

[0:09:05] Voice 7: you cannot get a good idea that you're listening.

[0:09:08] Voice 7: So I'd like you to keep that in mind, and I'm really, I'm astounded that you would have the gall to come at a public meeting and tell people they can only do it for three minutes. Thank you.

[0:09:21] Voice 17: Okay, well another way of looking at it is if everybody in the room who wants to speak wants to raise their hands, then I'll have a better idea of how much time we've got.

[0:09:29] Voice 17: so we can start with that one two three four five six seven eight nine so that

[0:09:38] Voice 17: means we have

[0:09:42] Voice 6: okay

[0:09:46] Voice 17: and we have 15 minutes in the schedule but let's just

[0:09:52] Voice 17: go ahead and and start with the three minutes and if anybody needs to speak a

[0:09:56] Voice 17: second time we'll have to take another round what

[0:10:02] Voice 4: i

[0:10:04] Voice 17: that was in the agenda so if you want to back up

[0:10:07] Voice 17: just a moment sorry i

[0:10:10] Voice 4: was uh

[0:10:10] Voice 17: yeah approval of the agenda you had something you wanted to add

[0:10:14] Voice 4: i just wanted to add the letter support for high seat okay

[0:10:19] Voice 17: and that would be under

[0:10:22] Voice 17: under new business so at 11.2 then yes okay are you content with that i'm sorry i was thinking

[0:10:31] Voice 17: about it was timing can we deal with adding the new business to the agenda and then we can get

[0:10:38] Voice 17: back to sure you're

[0:10:40] Voice 12: okay with that

[0:10:40] Voice 17: okay okay so as amended we'll approve the agenda is that all

[0:10:47] Voice 20: right

[0:10:47] Voice 17: okay and uh so the public comment section what you wanted to say something well i just

[0:10:56] Voice 17: remember from

[0:10:58] Voice 20: a few years ago when we went through this very thing the timing thing and i thought

[0:11:04] Voice 20: then it was 10 minutes it was a delegation about five minutes if it was tom hall so and i remember

[0:11:19] Voice 20: we said at the time if it takes longer and if people want to speak longer absolutely we'll stay

[0:11:25] Voice 20: till tomorrow morning because it is a public meeting for the people of orange island i know

[0:11:30] Voice 20: everybody's got fairies to catch anything else and uh so i think we have to accommodate what's

[0:11:37] Voice 20: being said let's let's try for five and then ask people to be try to you know keep it concise i'd

[0:11:44] Voice 20: I don't believe with that. Does that sound okay to you, sir?

[0:11:47] Voice 7: Certainly. Well, let me just admit it. I was a trustee way back when. Okay. We never had time

[0:11:53] Voice 7: limits. The meetings went really well. People felt good about it because it got heard. Thank you.

[0:11:59] Voice 17: Yeah, I appreciate it. And I certainly don't want to be trying to, I'm just trying to keep us on

[0:12:05] Voice 17: schedule. I'm not trying to stifle anyone from getting what they want out. And trustees, as a

[0:12:13] Voice 17: local trust committee if we want to if we want to massage how we're going to do this then we need to

[0:12:18] Voice 17: set aside some time to do that well

[0:12:20] Voice 4: that's why we moved the town hall up

[0:12:22] Voice 17: yeah and that's and that's great so uh all right so i'm gonna go with uh we're gonna try out five

[0:12:30] Voice 17: minutes and i need to show hands again to is there one over here beginning no oh there was okay i'm

[0:12:37] Voice 17: to start on this end and then come this way so please go ahead no

[0:12:41] Voice 15: i i don't mind going at the end

[0:12:46] Voice 17: okay uh next over yes right here i'm

[0:12:51] Voice 5: just trying to get my hand up fast because i'm speaking on

[0:12:53] Voice 5: something different than i think many people are um so i'm here on behalf of high seek and on the

[0:13:00] Voice 5: agenda on um the amended agenda is the request

[0:13:05] Voice 5: for letters of support from the trust for some

[0:13:09] Voice 5: housing initiatives that high seat is doing we've hired a consultant and there's two different

[0:13:16] Voice 5: applications for funding around affordable housing going in and the request is to our local

[0:13:24] Voice 5: governments, the regional district, and Islands Cross to be supportive of those

[0:13:29] Voice 5: applications. And so they're to the FCM, Federal Municipality

[0:13:39] Voice 5: Association, and also the Provincial Rural Economic Development, so it's called RECP. We will also be going to a public

[0:13:53] Voice 5: consultation and there will be four public consultations. The first one

[0:13:57] Voice 5: September 26th at the community hall and the posters will look like this and

[0:14:05] Voice 5: they'll be up and put around. So I brought this one to give to the minutes

[0:14:10] Voice 5: of the UN's trust but they'll be on Facebook and it's just got exactly where the

[0:14:16] Voice 5: consultations will happen. This one is called the economic development strategy

[0:14:21] Voice 5: as it's impacting into housing and this is from a grant from the island coastal economic trust so

[0:14:28] Voice 5: the consultants that have been hired are funding themselves through getting grants and looking for

[0:14:35] Voice 5: programs that would support that housing and so appreciation to the trust for considering writing

[0:14:43] Voice 5: letters of support to go with those grant applications and also for the amendments to

[0:14:48] Voice 5: to the ACP that the housing group has been talking about

[0:14:52] Voice 5: and to try to really expedite getting

[0:14:55] Voice 5: for the housing on that.

[0:14:56] Voice 5: So I don't know if you want this or not,

[0:14:59] Voice 5: but that's my poster that's coming on the consultations.

[0:15:03] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:15:04] Voice 5: Question of clarity.

[0:15:06] Voice 20: Do you have a wording for the support letter?

[0:15:10] Voice 5: Yes, we've supplied wording for the potential draft.

[0:15:14] Voice 4: I sent it to you this morning.

[0:15:15] Voice 5: Pardon?

[0:15:16] Voice 4: I sent it to you this morning.

[0:15:20] Voice 4: all

[0:15:21] Voice 1: right Tony yes 2013 the local trust committee put community housing on the

[0:15:29] Voice 1: work program that was ten years ago five years ago the local trust committee

[0:15:34] Voice 1: received housing needs assessment two years ago the local trust committee gave

[0:15:39] Voice 1: housing and a couple of other issues to the APC to work on six months later they

[0:15:44] Voice 1: came up with recommendations. 18 months has gone by since then. Having been a trustee I know how

[0:15:50] Voice 1: things keep coming up on the agenda and proactive planning often gets put aside

[0:15:55] Voice 1: so I don't want to be critical but I want to be encouraging and supportive and I spent the

[0:16:00] Voice 1: summer looking at the issue of housing providing with a paper with some history,

[0:16:04] Voice 1: some analysis, some suggestions of how to move forward and three things became

[0:16:09] Voice 1: clear to me. One is that despite the policies in the OCP there'd be no

[0:16:14] Voice 1: there's been no uptake in terms of actual permitted housing happening. Meanwhile, housing

[0:16:18] Voice 1: solutions have been informal, unpermitted solutions that aren't secure because of their

[0:16:28] Voice 1: illegality. So I think we need to go back, or you need to go back and look at what are

[0:16:33] Voice 1: the barriers for people to obtain and proceed with permitted housing. And the other conclusion

[0:16:42] Voice 1: conclusion I came to is that

[0:16:43] Voice 1: we need to have a whole comprehensive

[0:16:47] Voice 1: range of opportunities

[0:16:48] Voice 1: for housing. There's no one solution.

[0:16:50] Voice 1: There's a whole bunch of different things

[0:16:52] Voice 1: that the doors need to be open

[0:16:54] Voice 1: without huge barriers.

[0:16:55] Voice 1: On the one hand,

[0:16:57] Voice 1: we want to protect ecology and water

[0:17:00] Voice 1: and so on, but

[0:17:02] Voice 1: if the barriers,

[0:17:03] Voice 1: if in protecting those the barriers don't

[0:17:06] Voice 1: enable opportunities to happen,

[0:17:08] Voice 1: then things will just happen illegally.

[0:17:10] Voice 1: So I think it needs to

[0:17:11] Voice 1: find a better balance between accessibility to housing opportunities

[0:17:15] Voice 1: and accountability I think the fact that there's not been uptake and what we put out

[0:17:22] Voice 1: there shows that the barriers are maybe too strong so I've provided some

[0:17:28] Voice 1: suggestions and recommendations and really want to encourage you to get this

[0:17:33] Voice 1: you know on to the work program and get some actual things happening as Karen

[0:17:40] Voice 1: pointed out right now what Heisig is putting forward is not actually

[0:17:43] Voice 1: permitted in the OCP land you spy on. That's just one of the things I think

[0:17:47] Voice 1: needs to be addressed. So I just really want to encourage and support action

[0:17:51] Voice 1: after the ten years of this issue being on the work program for it to actually be

[0:17:55] Voice 1: tackled. Thank you.

[0:17:56] Voice 5: Tony, can I just add that it's not illegal because it was a mistake.

[0:18:00] Voice 5: It was a mistake that the OCP

[0:18:03] Voice 1: left off affordable housing for the public use

[0:18:06] Voice 5: series. So we're not

[0:18:07] Voice 5: doing anything illegal. We're

[0:18:08] Voice 1: just trying to rectify it.

[0:18:09] Voice 5: Oh,

[0:18:10] Voice 1: no, no, but I'm talking about other situations all around the island.

[0:18:13] Voice 5: Yeah. A lot of people

[0:18:14] Voice 1: are living in, yeah,

[0:18:16] Voice 1: living in unpermitted situations, which does not provide security.

[0:18:21] Voice 1: Okay, thank you. Yeah.

[0:18:23] Voice 4: I just want to also respond to Elspeth first.

[0:18:27] Voice 4: I never ask questions because I thought we weren't allowed, we had to get going and get

[0:18:31] Voice 4: this meeting going, blah, blah, blah. So I didn't ask more questions. I apologize.

[0:18:37] Voice 4: If anybody's not had a chance to read Tony's report that's in this package, it's amazing.

[0:18:41] Voice 4: It gives a whole historical analysis on, you know, and I can speak to the frustration of being a trustee and getting anything done.

[0:18:53] Voice 4: Three years, I thought three years was short, and now it's four years, and this is short to me.

[0:18:58] Voice 4: But it is on new business, your report, and I will be speaking to it.

[0:19:03] Voice 4: Things will only

[0:19:06] Voice 4: happen, but I won't say it now because it's a little pre-credited, but thank you so much.

[0:19:10] Voice 4: Thank you for that. All

[0:19:11] Voice 17: right, moving this way. Hands. Yes, see you, sir.

[0:19:19] Voice 17: Thank

[0:19:21] Voice 16: you. I'm speaking for the voiceless ones. When does consultation become collusion?

[0:19:29] Voice 16: More specifically, when does the required trust advice to Rogers Communications become complicity

[0:19:36] Voice 16: with an arrogant corporation that mocks our democratic process and emphatically voiced

[0:19:42] Voice 16: concerns. Answer, consultation becomes collusion when distant trust officials correspond with a

[0:19:50] Voice 16: Rogers representative over a period of five months from June 10th to November 23rd, 2022,

[0:19:58] Voice 16: 22 without informing our community or our local trust committee of plans to

[0:20:05] Voice 16: impose a 63 meter cell tower on an environmentally sensitive island whose

[0:20:11] Voice 16: residents had overwhelmingly rejected a similar telus proposal in favor of the

[0:20:17] Voice 16: fiber optic network currently under construction that lesson had been learned

[0:20:22] Voice 16: too much public consultation in dangers corporate profits federal I said

[0:20:29] Voice 16: statutes mandate that local government regulations be followed for any proposed

[0:20:34] Voice 16: cell tower among a list of legal stipulations of which our lawyer has

[0:20:40] Voice 16: just reminded the trust is a mandatory face-to-face public meeting with the

[0:20:46] Voice 16: proponent. We're still waiting. The timing is suggestive. Rogers waited until we

[0:20:53] Voice 16: chose fire optics before pushing a cell tower whose untested 5G component

[0:20:59] Voice 16: requires fiber's bandwidth to operate. If both fiber and telecommunications

[0:21:07] Voice 16: towers seem needlessly redundant, if the trashing of our community process by

[0:21:14] Voice 16: Rogers and the trust feel insulting that's because they are canceling our

[0:21:20] Voice 16: trustees and delaying until the winter holidays to spring this announcement

[0:21:25] Voice 16: then refusing postpone until March was so incredibly cynical I lost her words

[0:21:31] Voice 16: at least polite ones does the trust have any shame is any of this necessary

[0:21:37] Voice 16: cell phone coverage is already available throughout much of orange for those who

[0:21:42] Voice 16: cannot tolerate dead zones Elon Musk's Starlink currently offers satellite

[0:21:48] Voice 16: connectivity as two residents in this room can confirm. Earlier this year Rogers

[0:21:55] Voice 16: signed contracts with Starlink and Link Global to provide additional satellite

[0:22:00] Voice 16: wireless service to rural communities. When will our trust officials look up

[0:22:06] Voice 16: but two superior alternatives to an obsolete, unsightly, and risky tower

[0:22:12] Voice 16: and a glaring lack of public consultation show that we are nowhere near concurrence.

[0:22:20] Voice 16: If I could make a motion, I would move to reject this irreparably flawed application

[0:22:24] Voice 16: from a bullying Toronto corporation outright, not reconsider it, throw it out.

[0:22:32] Voice 16: We can do so much better than this.

[0:22:35] Voice 16: We already are.

[0:22:37] Voice 16: Okay,

[0:22:40] Voice 17: thank you for that. Next, yes.

[0:22:44] Voice 10: With respect to the process, I just want to, for the tower proposal, I just want to summarize the timeline.

[0:22:54] Voice 10: So June 2022, the correspondence with the trust between the Rogers and Trust Committee.

[0:23:01] Voice 10: In September 8th, I believe, we passed our model strategy for Hartley Island,

[0:23:06] Voice 10: requiring that our process be followed, which Rogers refused to do. And then finally in November we were given

[0:23:13] Voice 10: a notification that this proposal was in place and you know it would appear that

[0:23:19] Voice 10: our trustees were completely in the dark of this whole process. It was happening

[0:23:23] Voice 10: behind their back. I just want to point out another problem. We had an election in

[0:23:28] Voice 10: there and if that election knew, if this community knew that we were, that this

[0:23:35] Voice 10: proposal was happening I believe that election would have had a different

[0:23:38] Voice 10: outcome or quite possibly we finally would have had the referendum on the

[0:23:42] Voice 10: tower that everybody's asking for to me the fact that the election happened

[0:23:48] Voice 10: without consultation to our community indicates there was election interference

[0:23:52] Voice 10: by the trust and I can see it as no other explanation now I want to talk

[0:23:59] Voice 10: about one other thing into this relating to the to the home sharing and the APC

[0:24:06] Voice 10: thing. In my hand, I have a staff report dated January 9th, 2017. And in it, it actually

[0:24:15] Voice 10: states that the ABC is currently comprised of three members. The LTC advertised in November

[0:24:20] Voice 10: 2016 for further expressions of interest to fill out the commission, but none were received.

[0:24:25] Voice 10: The LTC had advertised again in January 2017. At this time, no expressions of interest were

[0:24:30] Voice 10: received. So I just want to point out, it's pretty obvious to most people that we should

[0:24:36] Voice 10: have had and they do say here that people sorry but staff recommends that the ltc identify desired

[0:24:42] Voice 10: communities of interest it looks to engage in order to provide direction for targeted recruitment

[0:24:46] Voice 10: recruitment of future apc members this targeted recruitment would take place over february and

[0:24:53] Voice 10: march while staff draft terms of reference for the apc to be presented for initial ltc review

[0:24:58] Voice 10: of the march meeting i just want to know you to know that i have correspondence between myself

[0:25:03] Voice 10: myself and our local trustees expressing interest in going on the APC. I've applied four times.

[0:25:08] Voice 10: I have another letter of rejection dated November 26, 2020. I think it's pretty obvious that

[0:25:15] Voice 10: I have an interest in this subject. I have a lot of experience. I've been on the PISLA.

[0:25:20] Voice 10: I've been on Hi-C twice. I am a major supplier of low-cost year-round housing. Why was I

[0:25:25] Voice 10: refused to go on the APC four times in direct violation to what the APC was asking that

[0:25:32] Voice 10: or what the trust was asking the community to supply.

[0:25:35] Voice 10: Now that really, this is a problem with the trustees.

[0:25:38] Voice 10: The trustees intervened my

[0:25:41] Voice 10: application to at least two occasions,

[0:25:43] Voice 10: and when I actually went through the official app,

[0:25:46] Voice 10: expressing interest and concern,

[0:25:49] Voice 10: having gone through all the reiterations

[0:25:51] Voice 10: of the short-term vacation rental on this island

[0:25:54] Voice 10: over decades, why was I rejected,

[0:25:56] Voice 10: and why did the trust, our trustees,

[0:25:59] Voice 10: and the trust make these false assumptions?

[0:26:01] Voice 10: To me, that illegitimizes the entire process as well.

[0:26:07] Voice 10: So what we're talking about here is a trust, and to some degree trustees, who are violating

[0:26:13] Voice 10: absolutely everything we stand for for a democratic process, denying us our opportunities to engage

[0:26:19] Voice 10: in local political issues in two separate occasions that I've just laid out here.

[0:26:26] Voice 10: It's shameful.

[0:26:27] Voice 10: I don't even know why we're not doing something about this because we are

[0:26:31] Voice 10: absolutely being illegitimized here and we have no say in this community and

[0:26:35] Voice 10: I've just expressed those two and I'm happy to show all my correspondence for

[0:26:39] Voice 10: attending I'm not the only one who tried to get on the trust at this time there

[0:26:43] Voice 10: are other people in this community who had a vested interest one way or the

[0:26:46] Voice 10: other opposed or in favor why was the APC hand-selected to absolutely keep out

[0:26:53] Voice 10: the people who have a vested interest it is required that they were and i have evidence

[0:26:57] Voice 10: that they were there were people ready and willing to step up thank you thank

[0:27:03] Voice 17: you for that

[0:27:04] Voice 17: can i respond

[0:27:05] Voice 17: um i just if you want to respond that's fine but i just want to remind you that

[0:27:09] Voice 17: that selection process is done in camera and so just okay

[0:27:15] Voice 7: well

[0:27:16] Voice 17: you can respond but just

[0:27:18] Voice 17: recall that well

[0:27:21] Voice 4: can I say that well I just want you to think about what you

[0:27:26] Voice 4: can and can't say out of camera

[0:27:27] Voice 17: that's all it's up to you so

[0:27:29] Voice 4: you have you can't

[0:27:30] Voice 4: say what the why the decision was made I look

[0:27:35] Voice 17: for advice on that but I would say

[0:27:37] Voice 17: No.

[0:27:37] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:27:38] Voice 7: Why not?

[0:27:38] Voice 7: It's in Canberra.

[0:27:39] Voice 7: Come on.

[0:27:41] Voice 7: We're paying for some.

[0:27:42] Voice 17: I understand.

[0:27:44] Voice 17: Why would

[0:27:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): it be made in Canberra?

[0:27:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): Appointments and hiring positions are in Canberra decisions for all local governments.

[0:27:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): Appointments to volunteer boards are also considered much like a hiring process.

[0:27:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): Those are in Canberra decisions.

[0:27:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): So, firings, hirings, negotiations with other levels of government over agreements or contracts,

[0:28:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): those are all considered in-camp discussion items, and that's consistent with any local government.

[0:28:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): Well, that's a problem, isn't it?

[0:28:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): That's what we have

[0:28:16] Voice 7: to operate with in that.

[0:28:17] Voice 7: It's kind of interesting when I think the taxpayers pay everybody's salaries here,

[0:28:23] Voice 7: and the people that are here today, and yet decisions are made

[0:28:29] Voice 7: and you don't eventually let the public know why these decisions are now made.

[0:28:35] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:28:36] Voice 17: Did you want to

[0:28:37] Voice 17: speak? Because I'm going to ask people to stick back to putting your hand up. I don't want to start getting into a larger conversation, if you will, here. So

[0:28:49] Voice 17: I'm going to look for hands again. Okay. Right in the back there. I'm

[0:28:57] Voice 7: sorry, I don't know.

[0:29:02] Voice 7: I would like to ask the trustees, what on earth can you do for us to make this progress

[0:29:10] Voice 7: that we're trying to make and make it more open so the public is more aware that we can

[0:29:17] Voice 7: do our work?

[0:29:24] Voice 17: Trustee, is there any other way you want to respond?

[0:29:27] Voice 17: You don't have to.

[0:29:28] Voice 20: More on this cell tower?

[0:29:31] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:29:31] Voice 20: I'm waiting to hear, as you are, from Rogers.

[0:29:38] Voice 20: I want to hear the report.

[0:29:39] Voice 20: You know, I mean, he asked for that.

[0:29:41] Voice 20: There's something on the agenda here.

[0:29:43] Voice 7: Is there any reason why that you cannot make yourself a bit annoying to the head of the trustees,

[0:29:51] Voice 7: or the chair and whatnot, or the people in power?

[0:29:54] Voice 7: I don't know.

[0:29:55] Voice 7: I was a bit of a shit-disturber when I was a trustee.

[0:29:58] Voice 7: No surprise, I'm sure.

[0:30:00] Voice 7: but the thing is you know nothing will ever get done unless you start you know putting your foot

[0:30:05] Voice 7: to the ground and really start representing what's going on wait

[0:30:08] Voice 4: until we

[0:30:10] Voice 4: get to this

[0:30:10] Voice 7: when

[0:30:10] Voice 4: it gets to our agenda this is actually on our agenda so i will be addressing something

[0:30:15] Voice 4: but i'm going to say it now

[0:30:16] Voice 8: terrific okay

[0:30:18] Voice 4: i'm

[0:30:20] Voice 17: going to move on go back to the other

[0:30:30] Voice 13: Seriously disillusioned and demoralized, I am attending this meeting.

[0:30:35] Voice 13: I will start off with my three-parag question.

[0:30:42] Voice 13: My land partner in common and I have an application into Islands Trust for a legal subdivision

[0:30:50] Voice 13: of our 10.2 acres.

[0:30:51] Voice 13: Living on basic pensions, we aim to leave our divided acreage to each of our offspring.

[0:30:59] Voice 13: However, with its mandate to serve and protect, we feel IT's requirements to our application

[0:31:07] Voice 13: are not in accordant compliance with other local developments.

[0:31:13] Voice 13: Our request herewith is to review our application with its stipulated provisions,

[0:31:18] Voice 13: provisions, ensuring IT and MOTI are complying with their policies and mandate while treating

[0:31:26] Voice 13: all land owners with equal parity? That's my question and you're all coming to the sheet.

[0:31:35] Voice 13: I posed that initially, who to complain, who to question to the appointed IT applicant

[0:31:45] Voice 13: Ed Courtney, Marnus McCarter. She served me with an email and an address to a

[0:31:54] Voice 13: Warren Dingham. He deals with bylaw enforcement. So I post the above to him

[0:32:04] Voice 13: and he responds to me. Good morning, I called the number provided but you were

[0:32:12] Voice 13: are not there. Although I appreciate your trying to reach me by telephone, my present

[0:32:18] Voice 13: viewer does not have an answer. This is me, I'm sorry. He then says, I do not understand

[0:32:24] Voice 13: your complaint. You have listed your own address as the location of a possible bylaw contravention.

[0:32:33] Voice 13: Well, he's correct. I'm not talking about someone else yet. I'm talking about the stipulations

[0:32:39] Voice 13: that Islands Trust, in our applicant application, is making to us. Do this, do

[0:32:47] Voice 13: this, do that, do that. Those points, and I'm not here to go through those points,

[0:32:53] Voice 13: other ones that leads me to come here, wanting to know if in fact, because I

[0:33:00] Voice 13: know several other developments that have been allowed, amazing, again I won't

[0:33:07] Voice 13: discuss it. Maybe they paid a large donation and made the Islands Trust look the other

[0:33:14] Voice 13: way, but not too far off the street from me, there is an amazing spread right in the middle

[0:33:22] Voice 13: of a Gary Oak. Anyway, that's an addendum for another time to talk about.

[0:33:29] Voice 13: So I leave you with my questions. I need, I'm looking for your response, ID's response, to show me that you are treating all landowners with equal parity. Thank you.

[0:33:47] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:33:52] Voice 20: Yes.

[0:33:53] Voice 20: yes okay

[0:33:54] Voice 6: um i have two things here i will deal with mine first because this one came from

[0:34:01] Voice 6: brothers cass and who couldn't be here today but wants it red and accepted by the trust

[0:34:08] Voice 6: and i'm not familiar with my own i want to do this in my own way and i hope anybody will respect that

[0:34:17] Voice 6: I proudly acknowledge that I live on Native lands and I work for reconciliation to stand together on our Mother Earth with passion, respect and thoughtfulness.

[0:34:31] Voice 6: I came here today to point out other options besides the Rogers Tower.

[0:34:37] Voice 6: And I will mention two. Starlink is up and running.

[0:34:41] Voice 6: The price is dropping. There would be no power. There would be no 25% extension to the power. There would be no trees taken down. There would be no eyesore.

[0:34:56] Voice 6: Quote from my nephew who has made a living through using Starlink for four years, fast and reliable, and added, cell towers are becoming obsolete.

[0:35:11] Voice 6: Fiber optics is a second option. Taxpayers on Harmony are already supporting this with their tax dollars.

[0:35:20] Voice 6: individuals can bump up the speed apparently to 5g with the blaster if they want other individuals

[0:35:28] Voice 6: can choose to opt out there will be no tower no trees need to be cut down the land rogers has

[0:35:37] Voice 6: proposed to use for their cell tower can still be used as earmarked for the working

[0:35:43] Voice 6: housing. Over 300 people have signed a petition saying no to Rogers Tower. Island Trust has

[0:35:54] Voice 6: a copy of that petition. We know Island Trust does not have insurance on cell towers. I

[0:36:05] Voice 6: have read many scientific reports on the dangers to health of all living things to do with

[0:36:13] Voice 6: with, I can't remember the initials, but it's to do with the magnetic field and radio waves.

[0:36:21] Voice 6: In my language, not the silicon.

[0:36:24] Voice 6: I'm hopeful that my honoured trustees have also found the time to educate themselves of these studies,

[0:36:31] Voice 6: and I hope they respect my concerns.

[0:36:34] Voice 6: concerns. Roger's rep did not follow the process, and others have spoken to this in the past.

[0:36:44] Voice 6: This community needed answers to these concerns, and the community has a right to be heard.

[0:36:51] Voice 6: The planners have not offered to help with our concerns. Lastly, and I want to clarify

[0:36:58] Voice 6: something that I falsely understood and this is it. Islands Trust has to get the

[0:37:06] Voice 6: boxes checked for concurrence and send it off to ISED or whoever, the federal

[0:37:13] Voice 6: body. That is not true. Our trustees have the power to say no. They have the power

[0:37:22] Voice 6: according to law and expressed by ISED or ISED in the past month. I ask now

[0:37:32] Voice 6: trustees use your power say no to the tower and I want to thank you very much

[0:37:40] Voice 6: for having these open meetings and Alex I want to comment on you maybe do mumble

[0:37:47] Voice 6: a lot but when I listen you're up front and thank you very much

[0:37:53] Voice 12: now

[0:37:56] Voice 6: I'd like to

[0:37:57] Voice 6: do this and I'm going to give it to you this is from Heather why would we

[0:38:06] Voice 6: allow Rogers big tech why run rough to run roughshod bypassing public

[0:38:15] Voice 6: consultation for fear of public outcry? Why hasn't Islands Trust taken the reins?

[0:38:22] Voice 6: We are certainly paying them to represent the island's interest.

[0:38:30] Voice 6: Islanders need to become fully informed of impacts of

[0:38:34] Voice 6: five-generation technology along with fiber optics will have on this beautiful

[0:38:40] Voice 6: place and community. We need to hold Islands Trust and Rogers accountable for

[0:38:46] Voice 6: full and transparent review, including needs for environmental

[0:38:54] Voice 6: safety assessment of this cell tower proposal. Islands Trust must not take

[0:39:01] Voice 6: sides and push an agenda. And that was for you from Heather, thank you very much.

[0:39:09] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:39:12] Voice 17: Okay, yes, in the back.

[0:39:14] Voice 9: I have a quick housing strategy update.

[0:39:17] Voice 9: We've been using the newly released housing toolkit from the trust to start our housing

[0:39:24] Voice 9: strategy.

[0:39:25] Voice 9: And we're using Tony's content from the APC.

[0:39:29] Voice 9: So that's in process.

[0:39:31] Voice 9: So we'll stay in touch about that.

[0:39:33] Voice 9: And a piece of that is four parts to that housing strategy toolkit, and a piece of it

[0:39:39] Voice 9: is a housing needs assessment and I've heard that there will be one for Hornby I know there was one

[0:39:45] Voice 9: done in 2018 and if I'm correct very few people participated in that on a local level and so my

[0:39:51] Voice 9: request of the trust is that when that process is set up for Hornby that it utilize local folks

[0:39:57] Voice 9: um either as consultants partners something so that what comes out of it actually applies to

[0:40:05] Voice 9: to our community, and the other part is we've been also working on a community profile project,

[0:40:11] Voice 9: gathering all the data of everything from how many wells and where they are to how many

[0:40:17] Voice 9: babies were born, and the draft is ready, it'll be going out to community groups to

[0:40:23] Voice 9: give feedback, and the feedback that we're looking for especially is, is it information

[0:40:27] Voice 9: that you can use, what else would you like to know, and what are the barriers that affect

[0:40:33] Voice 9: at equal access to your services is a big part of this grant that looks at social equity

[0:40:39] Voice 9: and so when you receive this document um it will be online as well um please look at it

[0:40:45] Voice 9: with that lens this who are we not serving and what are the barriers to who we are not serving

[0:40:54] Voice 9: thank you yes

[0:40:55] Voice 4: let's say thank you april for all that you do and um

[0:41:04] Voice 17: one at a time please um

[0:41:06] Voice 4: i just want to thank you for what you're doing and i want to say

[0:41:09] Voice 4: congratulations you're the first housing group that did respond to our ask the regional planning

[0:41:14] Voice 4: committee got to bring respond to our ask so thank you so much for that definitely more of a

[0:41:21] Voice 4: robust consultation with the next housing group that's for sure

[0:41:32] Voice 20: There's two questions on the Salt Tower, and one I'm confused on, and I'm not exactly

[0:41:39] Voice 20: sure how much power we have at this level to absolutely stop the Salt Tower.

[0:41:46] Voice 20: I've read we do, and I've read we don't.

[0:41:49] Voice 20: It's transport Canada.

[0:41:52] Voice 17: I can give you

[0:41:53] Voice 20: a little bit of

[0:41:53] Voice 17: clarity on that, because I just went through this on

[0:41:56] Voice 17: Salt Spring so the local government in this case the local trust committee can

[0:42:01] Voice 17: provide concurrence with the with the plan or non concurrence now the way that

[0:42:07] Voice 17: this is federally regulated if sorry if the local trust committee does not

[0:42:16] Voice 17: supply concurrence the federal regulator can proceed without that concurrence so

[0:42:24] Voice 17: So we don't have the, we don't have in law, we don't have a way to stop it per se, but

[0:42:31] Voice 17: we can either say, yes, we agree with what your plan is, or we can say, no, it's, it's

[0:42:37] Voice 17: not, it's not like a local zoning bylaw.

[0:42:40] Voice 17: This is federal.

[0:42:41] Voice 17: It bypasses the province and it certainly bypasses us.

[0:42:44] Voice 17: Does that help a little bit?

[0:42:45] Voice 17: That's, I was going to bring that up.

[0:42:47] Voice 17: No, no, wait a minute.

[0:42:48] Voice 17: But we are going to get into this later

[0:42:51] Voice 6: in the agenda.

[0:42:51] Voice 6: I should

[0:42:52] Voice 6: defer my matter, actually, but I didn't bring that up because I feel when you say it's our turn to, I think I would like the trust to look at that, too, because when you tell us it's our turn to talk, then when there's a subject coming up, it would be more relevant for me to speak after I've heard where you're at.

[0:43:13] Voice 6: Right.

[0:43:14] Voice 17: So this is something that I've certainly run into more than once. And it is about trying to do two things. One is so that we have a space for the public to speak. And the decision makers at this table are here to make the decisions.

[0:43:36] Voice 17: and and if we can't possibly engage in a conversation on each topic it just gets

[0:43:43] Voice 17: way way too unruly however however absolutely that what you know what

[0:43:50] Voice 17: you've done is you've spoken at this meeting about something that's on our

[0:43:54] Voice 17: agenda and you've let us you've given us our views and that's totally appropriate

[0:43:58] Voice 17: and I thank you for that and

[0:44:01] Voice 4: also we moved the town hall to the beginning of

[0:44:06] Voice 4: our meetings that before it used to be at the end where we did hear all that we had a lot of

[0:44:10] Voice 4: complaints that you know having to listen to this and this and this one thing so that's why

[0:44:16] Voice 6: well the system the

[0:44:22] Voice 17: system is clearly far far from perfect um one one of the realities is that

[0:44:29] Voice 17: we don't have the the staff resources to have like a lot more frequent meetings we have eight

[0:44:35] Voice 17: millions a year clearly you know so

[0:44:40] Voice 6: there's

[0:44:48] Voice 17: there's various elements to it

[0:44:50] Voice 17: but I appreciate your point

[0:44:51] Voice 6: we have the right to say

[0:44:59] Voice 17: that's that's what non

[0:45:02] Voice 17: non-concurrences. That doesn't mean that we can't be overruled. That was my point.

[0:45:07] Voice 6: So we're very clear then on what you

[0:45:09] Voice 6: say makes a lot of sense to our community.

[0:45:13] Voice 20: That's why I wanted to say it, Judith, so that people didn't think that we had the absolute

[0:45:17] Voice 20: power to simply stop, hold the self-government.

[0:45:21] Voice 8: I never said that.

[0:45:22] Voice 20: No, no, I know you did.

[0:45:23] Voice 20: So again, we're getting a little

[0:45:24] Voice 17: bit too much into our back

[0:45:26] Voice 12: and forth here.

[0:45:26] Voice 12: so I'm gonna

[0:45:28] Voice 17: move us along and so we don't we have no delegations today yes

[0:45:36] Voice 17: oh sorry pardon me I can promise you would be

[0:45:39] Voice 15: allowed to speak

[0:45:40] Voice 17: I

[0:45:41] Voice 15: have reviewed every single document that I could even review about the issue of the cell tower and my

[0:45:56] Voice 15: My understanding is that the trust, the local trust committee, does have the power to stop this tower coming onto this island.

[0:46:06] Voice 15: All the evidence, even though I said it, and the federal government said it,

[0:46:10] Voice 15: because they're looking at health and environmental consequences,

[0:46:14] Voice 15: there is reams and reams and reams of evidence that it would be nefarious for this island.

[0:46:20] Voice 15: I mean, just look at what happened in Maui.

[0:46:21] Voice 15: You know, you can get burned down to the bone, and they have no insurance, the trust has no insurance.

[0:46:30] Voice 15: Nobody is willing to come forward with liability for the consequences of their actions.

[0:46:37] Voice 15: Now, if what you're saying is true, that neither, you know, that you have the right to say no, but you will be overridden,

[0:46:45] Voice 15: or in other words, if you as our representative speaking for us say, well, our community who

[0:46:52] Voice 15: have elected it to speak for us refuses a tower and we have to vote, you know, for non-concurrence

[0:46:59] Voice 15: and then you say that we will be overridden, then what's the point?

[0:47:04] Voice 15: What's the point of all that work?

[0:47:05] Voice 15: What's the point of all that consultation?

[0:47:07] Voice 15: clearly the case is, at least I have read the case law,

[0:47:13] Voice 15: ICED is mandated to have public consultation by law.

[0:47:20] Voice 15: In other words, they cannot move forward unless there is public consultation and approval of the rules.

[0:47:26] Voice 15: It is not true, absolutely not true, that you guys are powerless.

[0:47:30] Voice 15: if you what I actually want to say now more than anything I'm not going to get

[0:47:36] Voice 15: into the data I'm not going to get into all the information because it's all

[0:47:40] Voice 15: there all you have to do is read it Will has done a good job posting some

[0:47:45] Voice 15: stuff with tons and tons of links so you know it won't take you more than a few

[0:47:50] Voice 15: hours to come up to snuff with all the information that will actually

[0:47:54] Voice 15: strengthen your position so it's no point of me wasting your time or mine in

[0:47:59] Voice 15: that. What I want to say is I want you to be aware, Alex and Grant, that you have a once in a

[0:48:05] Voice 15: lifetime opportunity right now to be the heroes in this community, to live up to your moral

[0:48:11] Voice 15: responsibility to the people who have elected you, and to speak for the people who have elected you.

[0:48:17] Voice 15: We have more than 300 signatures that were collected overnight almost, you know. That is

[0:48:22] Voice 15: almost a third of the community. I can guarantee you there are many more that could be collected

[0:48:28] Voice 15: and will be collected, if necessary, because I have yet to meet, I mean, the odd person

[0:48:34] Voice 15: against it that is in favor of the tower, I have yet to meet any parent who has small

[0:48:39] Voice 15: children, who is very aware of the effect on the children's mental development, if they're

[0:48:46] Voice 15: going to be irradiated by this tower, I have yet to meet anybody, and I talk to a lot of

[0:48:50] Voice 15: people, I talk to anybody I can, visitors and residents, so you should know that all

[0:48:57] Voice 15: All the eyes of this community are on you.

[0:48:59] Voice 15: And we all depend on you to be our voice.

[0:49:02] Voice 15: And I ask you, I beseech you, to live up

[0:49:05] Voice 15: to this once in a lifetime opportunity

[0:49:08] Voice 15: to do right for the people who elected you.

[0:49:11] Voice 15: It is super important that you don't give up your power.

[0:49:14] Voice 15: Your power comes from us, from the people who elected you.

[0:49:18] Voice 15: You have to live up to that responsibility.

[0:49:21] Voice 15: And we expect you to do that.

[0:49:23] Voice 15: We really do.

[0:49:24] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:49:24] Voice 15: Thank

[0:49:26] Voice 17: you.

[0:49:29] Voice 17: Is there anyone else who hasn't spoken yet?

[0:49:31] Voice 17: Yes.

[0:49:33] Voice 14: I just want to speak to the tourism.

[0:49:37] Voice 14: I'm really concerned

[0:49:38] Voice 14: about the number of people that came here.

[0:49:40] Voice 14: The wear and tear on our environment.

[0:49:43] Voice 14: The health

[0:49:44] Voice 14: of our vegetation.

[0:49:47] Voice 14: The

[0:49:48] Voice 14: people who come here are using

[0:49:50] Voice 14: the water that

[0:49:52] Voice 14: the trees and the plants

[0:49:54] Voice 14: need you can see they're dying we cannot keep bringing people here at the you

[0:50:05] Voice 14: know at the cost of our environment I'm really concerned all over the world

[0:50:10] Voice 14: countries are dealing with tourism we have to deal with it too it's not that

[0:50:16] Voice 14: we don't want people to come here is that it's not feasible anymore our

[0:50:21] Voice 14: Our environment is dying.

[0:50:24] Voice 14: And then we who live here all year round

[0:50:26] Voice 14: are left to steward this mess.

[0:50:29] Voice 14: It's not right.

[0:50:31] Voice 14: The Islands Trust has sworn to preserve and protect.

[0:50:36] Voice 14: Please, do something.

[0:50:39] Voice 14: We cannot have all these people come here.

[0:50:42] Voice 14: There are so many illegal rentals.

[0:50:48] Voice 14: I don't know why we can't do anything about it.

[0:50:51] Voice 14: it's like the snails process while we watch our trees die thank you

[0:50:59] Voice 17: okay thank

[0:51:00] Voice 17: you anyone

[0:51:00] Voice 12: else doesn't spoke yet

[0:51:01] Voice 7: okay

[0:51:04] Voice 17: all right yes thank you to speak to

[0:51:11] Voice 17: grant I

[0:51:13] Voice 16: have correspondence and I can share that with you between Suzanne

[0:51:17] Voice 16: Schiller and the regional man manager of I said for this region he could not

[0:51:24] Voice 16: produce any legislation to back up any claim that I said can overrule local

[0:51:29] Voice 16: governments when she challenged him on that for clarification he did not

[0:51:34] Voice 16: demur he did not come back and say no no there is he let that go so as far as we

[0:51:40] Voice 16: know there is no legislation empowering I said to overrule local governments if

[0:51:45] Voice 16: they even care to do that and I would respectfully remind everyone here that I

[0:51:51] Voice 16: said in the federal government the big boogeyman did not did not overrule our

[0:51:58] Voice 16: LTC's decision to not grant concurrence to the Telus proposal they did not

[0:52:03] Voice 16: overrule us then and I don't believe they would dare overrule us now you're

[0:52:08] Voice 20: probably

[0:52:08] Voice 16: you're right yeah I'm not disputing

[0:52:11] Voice 17: that at all okay anyone else

[0:52:18] Voice 17: no more hands all

[0:52:19] Voice 6: right i'd like to just add one more thing that i

[0:52:21] Voice 6: think is really important

[0:52:23] Voice 6: and that is the housing on hornby i see young people that have to move out into tents and into

[0:52:30] Voice 6: motor homes i am so for getting some housing for people that they can afford to live with

[0:52:38] Voice 6: good shelter they are the people that are sustaining me in my old age and i want to thank

[0:52:44] Voice 6: Thank them. Get them out of camps, out of campers.

[0:52:49] Voice 6: Thank you. Thank you to Ida's Trust for listening.

[0:52:54] Voice 6: All

[0:52:54] Voice 17: right. Okay, then.

[0:52:58] Voice 17: So thank everybody for sharing your thoughts with the local trust committee.

[0:53:04] Voice 17: It's very important.

[0:53:06] Voice 17: Moving on to, we have no delegations.

[0:53:10] Voice 17: So we have the minutes of the June 16th meeting for adoption.

[0:53:14] Voice 17: Trustees, anything on those?

[0:53:16] Voice 17: those nothing from you anything from you um

[0:53:21] Voice 4: no no

[0:53:24] Voice 17: okay uh we have the resolutions without

[0:53:28] Voice 17: meeting report dated september 1st questions on that just misspelling my name misspelling your

[0:53:34] Voice 17: name okay

[0:53:36] Voice 4: and

[0:53:42] Voice 17: we have no advisory planning commission no minutes and we have a follow-up

[0:53:50] Voice 17: action list report completed september 1st on page 12.

[0:53:54] Voice 4: tonight yes under the the may 5th 2023

[0:54:01] Voice 4: number four i was just wondering where the um rapids are already in the small residential

[0:54:09] Voice 4: lot heavily aquifer is that under item

[0:54:16] Voice 17: four that's been

[0:54:17] Voice 7: included in your through the chair

[0:54:19] Voice 7: your

[0:54:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): OCP review project to stand in the scope of the official community plan review project

[0:54:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): to include that piece.

[0:54:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay, thank you.

[0:54:33] Voice 17: Anything else on the follow-up action list?

[0:54:36] Voice 17: And next we have applications and referrals, and on page 16 we have a staff report on the

[0:54:53] Voice 17: Rogers cell tower proposal.

[0:54:58] Voice 17: And Margaret Thelitis,

[0:55:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): are you taking this one?

[0:55:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yes.

[0:55:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): This report is intended to address previous LTC direction requesting staff to work with the proponent, Rogers, on a report regarding steps that the proponent has taken to date and their consistency with the 4MD antenna strategy.

[0:55:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): Could you speak up please?

[0:55:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sorry, yes. This report is not intended to review the whole proposal for alignment with all of the LTC's bylaws and it does not include a formal request for concurrence by the proponent.

[0:55:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): it. It was

[0:55:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): really meant to figure out what steps Rogers has taken so far and how that aligns or

[0:55:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): how consistent that is with the Harvey antenna strategy and to lay out all of the steps that

[0:55:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): have happened in the timeline. The staff have made some recommendations to basically align what

[0:56:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): Rogers, to align with Rogers with sort of steps that Rogers can take to align with the Harvey

[0:56:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): strategy after the fact going forward.

[0:56:12] Voice 17: Okay. Questions, trustees at all?

[0:56:15] Voice 4: Um, I have many comments.

[0:56:19] Voice 4: What alarms me here is that we're only giving two options and the third option, which is non-concurrence, is not in this report.

[0:56:27] Voice 4: And I just don't understand that.

[0:56:31] Voice 4: And I am under the impression that in fact when we do vote for a non-concurrence that

[0:56:38] Voice 4: that it's a reasonable and relevant concerns for objecting,

[0:56:41] Voice 4: that we can voice our concerns and the 300 people

[0:56:46] Voice 4: that signed that, I had 323 people vote for me,

[0:56:52] Voice 4: so I imagine that those 300 people voted for me.

[0:56:55] Voice 4: So I am going to do all I can to stop this tower.

[0:56:58] Voice 4: I do believe we can stop it.

[0:57:05] Voice 4: And as you said, you know, we did vote non-conference with the TELUS Tower.

[0:57:10] Voice 4: It had a little more concerns regarding, you know, being in the middle of a residential

[0:57:14] Voice 4: neighborhood.

[0:57:15] Voice 4: But this, as we said, this is the crown land.

[0:57:20] Voice 4: This is a potential area for housing.

[0:57:24] Voice 4: We've had concerns from the people that work at the depot that are just right up there.

[0:57:28] Voice 4: You know, and as Judith wrote, there's still many options without a tower if you want to have great cell phone service.

[0:57:38] Voice 4: And, you know, there's no studies on, there is studies on wildlife, but it doesn't seem to be included.

[0:57:43] Voice 4: They don't seem to be concerned about the human aspect of health concerns regarding cell towers.

[0:57:50] Voice 4: But there's ample evidence regarding wildlife. This was in the park.

[0:57:53] Voice 4: There's birds that will be affected, there's already been studies on even what's going

[0:58:00] Voice 4: on right now without even a tower affecting our wildlife.

[0:58:03] Voice 4: This is Hornby Island.

[0:58:05] Voice 4: This is a rural residential island and I do not want to see a tower ever once on it.

[0:58:16] Voice 4: So I'll be voting for no concurrence and if we have to have reasons I can list many.

[0:58:22] Voice 4: Yeah,

[0:58:23] Voice 17: well, we don't have a request for concurrence in front of us today.

[0:58:27] Voice 4: But we can do that right now.

[0:58:28] Voice 4: We don't have

[0:58:29] Voice 4: to wait for another report or another whatever.

[0:58:32] Voice 17: I know

[0:58:32] Voice 17: the OPC is not here, but

[0:58:34] Voice 4: there's no questions that have been asked of the proponent.

[0:58:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sorry, I forgot to say that potentially the Rogers, the proponent, is on the line right now on the conference line.

[0:58:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): I don't know if they could confirm or if they've logged in, but we did tell them to log in for this item.

[0:58:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): so would

[0:58:54] Voice 17: that be brian greg's yes uh brian brian greg are you on the line today

[0:59:02] Voice 13: okay

[0:59:02] Voice 4: can i ask um the staff if we don't so what's the next steps then we're at this stage

[0:59:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): yeah so this report was in response to a previous request that you you made to see what the gaps are

[0:59:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): potentially because of all the history of uh you know according to the strategy being adopted

[0:59:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): part way through the pre-consultation process for Rogers last year. This is

[0:59:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): I guess an attempt to confirm what else is required to align that with the antenna strategy.

[0:59:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): This is not a formal request for concurrence. Staff haven't received that

[0:59:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): from Rogers yet. That hasn't been put in front of us or the LTC. So I'm not sure what the process would be.

[0:59:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): Well,

[0:59:49] Voice 4: I'm just interested in, you know, next steps, you say request for concurrence,

[0:59:52] Voice 4: where there's also non-concurrence, so I'm just...

[0:59:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, it would be a request...

[1:00:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): concurrence or not bringing it in front with the report the whole application um you know rogers

[1:00:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): would initiate that and submit it to staff when we prepare a report and bring it in front of you

[1:00:11] Voice 17: so we're not there today he's listening and

[1:00:15] Voice 3: they're feeling us out right now

[1:00:19] Voice 3: um

[1:00:19] Voice 17: i'll just ask members of the public to not intervene at this point but thank you um

[1:00:25] Voice 17: Um, Grant, did you have any questions on this section?

[1:00:30] Voice 20: Well, I don't feel we had enough.

[1:00:33] Voice 20: I want to see the formal application from Rogers.

[1:00:39] Voice 20: I'd also like to see a consultation on the island of Rogers coming here

[1:00:46] Voice 20: and presenting their application draft to the people.

[1:00:54] Voice 6: I would like to

[1:00:54] Voice 6: add something to that.

[1:00:55] Voice 6: Can

[1:00:55] Voice 20: you please not interrupt?

[1:00:57] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:00:57] Voice 20: you. Go ahead. So I kind of lost it, but I want to see them come here. I want to see the application, the formal application where you don't think we've got. I want him to come here and describe it so people on the island can come to the hall and listen to it.

[1:01:16] Voice 20: Yeah,

[1:01:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): I think Roger submitted a formal application package back in January when you

[1:01:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): made this request for the current reports that we've written. So that application package.

[1:01:30] Voice 15: Could you

[1:01:30] Voice 17: please not interrupt?

[1:01:32] Voice 15: I'm asking you

[1:01:33] Voice 17: to please, like, I've said it three times now, no more questions from the floor. This is our time now to do this. You're welcome to listen, but please stop interrupting. Sorry, go ahead, Margo.

[1:01:45] Voice 17: Through the chair, I think it was in January 2023, and

[1:01:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): was there at that meeting as well.

[1:01:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, we received that notification, the application, all this follow-up was done because of that.

[1:02:01] Voice 17: Yeah, so we have had that.

[1:02:05] Voice 17: Can we just receive the report for information?

[1:02:09] Voice 17: We certainly can.

[1:02:11] Voice 17: There are three recommendations here, and one is about future written notification to make requests that staff work with Rogers to ensure that any future written notification meets the Hornby Antenna Strategy notification content requirements.

[1:02:30] Voice 17: Of course, we can go through these one at a time, but if trustees are not in favour of asking that request, that's up to you.

[1:02:40] Voice 17: um the second one is about asking staff to work with rogers to provide a list of addresses the

[1:02:48] Voice 17: property owners and residents not yet notified of the proposal within a notification distance

[1:02:54] Voice 17: 10 meters from every one meter in height and the last one is about written notice of the proposal

[1:02:59] Voice 17: to the school district ambulance services as well as the following hornby island community

[1:03:04] Voice 17: groups that have not been notified which are for us to specify now this is totally up to

[1:03:10] Voice 17: to you local trustees but if if there are more groups that we want to specify

[1:03:15] Voice 17: this is our opportunity to do that if you want to make sure that any future

[1:03:21] Voice 17: written notification meets the horn band trend antenna strategy and the other one

[1:03:29] Voice 17: about the no written notification of the residents so I'm going to turn it back

[1:03:35] Voice 17: over to trustees um

[1:03:36] Voice 4: i'm confused because if we already have it we have been before me on

[1:03:41] Voice 4: attendance strategy we have it so why are these not included within our strategy why are we adding

[1:03:46] Voice 4: them are they not there already i don't get this through

[1:03:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): the chair they are in strategy these are

[1:03:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): the the remaining notifications that would align what rogers has already done so far

[1:03:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): are with the strategy so and this is included in the timeline in the report but Rogers and staff

[1:04:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): were unaware that the Hornby antenna strategy had been adopted when they initially came to staff

[1:04:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): before they undertook any public notification or consultation activities to clarify to ask what

[1:04:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): level of public consultation and notification is required if there if any and because of that what

[1:04:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): i've said in this in the staff report staff turnover and miscommunication rogers did come

[1:04:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): to staff they tried they did they never refused to to meet anything it was just that they were

[1:04:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): never told and staff weren't aware of the hornby antenna strategy so they never refused to meet

[1:04:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): the hornby antenna strategy this is a way forward for the hornby antenna strategy to be aligned with

[1:04:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): going forward based on what rogers has already done and

[1:04:57] Voice 17: that is exactly what we asked for as

[1:04:59] Voice 17: we asked for staff to look and see what what have they done and what are they missing from

[1:05:05] Voice 17: their process what's missing from the hornby strategy well then right

[1:05:10] Voice 17: so that's what this

[1:05:11] Voice 17: report is about so it's these staff is telling us that these three items are what's missing from

[1:05:16] Voice 17: what rogers has done in terms of aligning with the hornby strategy

[1:05:19] Voice 4: so if we add them now then

[1:05:20] Voice 4: And then the proponent will follow through on the balance of our needs in terms of our antenna strategy or what's

[1:05:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): going to happen with that?

[1:05:31] Voice 4: The

[1:05:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): sheriff communicated to Rogers these remaining requirements that go to line with part of the antenna strategy.

[1:05:39] Voice 8: You

[1:05:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): know, they are open to collaborating and meeting those requirements. Brian is on the line now if you'd like to speak to it.

[1:05:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): um

[1:05:46] Voice 8: too

[1:05:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): much

[1:06:51] Voice 2: but i also wanted to mention before so

[1:08:01] Voice 17: trustees um i just want to sort of reiterate

[1:08:06] Voice 17: these are the recommendations from staff filling in the gaps however of course if you feel that

[1:08:13] Voice 17: there's other things that you want to bring it forward in a resolution today i'm happy to

[1:08:17] Voice 17: entertain uh emotions one of the things that i certainly heard as the chair of this committee

[1:08:22] Voice 17: from the public in the past is that the online engagement that happened I guess

[1:08:31] Voice 17: at the end of last year was felt by some people to to be insufficient and so if

[1:08:38] Voice 17: there's I believe I heard today of a similar sort of sentiment about for the

[1:08:44] Voice 17: public engagement so if we want to request that I think today is a good

[1:08:47] Voice 17: time to do that if that's felt uh to be appropriate and over to you trustee scott i

[1:08:55] Voice 20: don't know how you

[1:08:55] Voice 20: could have a public process an effective consultation without coming to the place

[1:09:03] Voice 20: the island right

[1:09:05] Voice 12: and

[1:09:05] Voice 20: i just don't understand how that would work so i would like to make a motion

[1:09:10] Voice 20: motion that Bernie Gregg and Rogers plan a meeting in the hall to come to discuss the

[1:09:20] Voice 20: cell tower proposal with

[1:09:22] Voice 17: the people of Oranby Island.

[1:09:24] Voice 8: Okay,

[1:09:24] Voice 17: I'm just going to check in with our minute taker and see.

[1:09:27] Voice 17: Did you get that, Catherine?

[1:09:38] Voice 11: Rogers, I signed Oranby Island's plan for the cell tower proposal.

[1:09:45] Voice 17: Okay, so is that what I was going to ask?

[1:09:49] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:09:50] Voice 17: Close enough?

[1:09:51] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:09:51] Voice 17: Yeah, can

[1:09:51] Voice 4: I make a friendly amendment to now tell us?

[1:09:54] Voice 17: Roger, add tell us.

[1:09:55] Voice 4: I just wanted to mention tell us as well.

[1:09:58] Voice 4: It's a code.

[1:10:00] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:10:01] Voice 17: Did you get that addition, Catherine?

[1:10:04] Voice 17: Adding tell us?

[1:10:05] Voice 11: Yeah, should I remind Greg and Roger to add tell us?

[1:10:10] Voice 4: That's fine.

[1:10:11] Voice 4: The Rogers

[1:10:11] Voice 20: and tell us proponent.

[1:10:16] Voice 20: Proponent?

[1:10:17] Voice 20: No, I think...

[1:10:18] Voice 20: Okay.

[1:10:18] Voice 20: okay brian gray has been the person that they sent somebody else where are we going i i think

[1:10:28] Voice 20: i think identifying him as being to keep he's on the line there let's ask well

[1:10:34] Voice 17: well we we don't

[1:10:35] Voice 17: need to talk we don't need to ask his permission to say what

[1:10:38] Voice 17: i want to do in our resolution

[1:10:41] Voice 17: as long as trustees are you happy with that resolution

[1:10:43] Voice 17: okay so moved would you like to

[1:10:48] Voice 17: second that second further discussion picture does it say brian greg specifically catherine

[1:10:56] Voice 17: does it say brian greg

[1:11:04] Voice 11: brian

[1:11:25] Voice 17: greg and rogers and tell us leave out brian is rogers well

[1:11:30] Voice 12: he's representing

[1:11:33] Voice 17: them he actually has a he has an independent company that works for them

[1:11:42] Voice 17: Okay, so where are we at? Are

[1:11:59] Voice 17: you guys happy with that? Yeah, that's good enough.

[1:12:03] Voice 17: Good enough. Moved, seconded, any further discussion? All right, I'll call the

[1:12:11] Voice 17: question. All in favor? And that motion carries.

[1:12:15] Voice 4: Regarding these other points, do

[1:12:18] Voice 4: we have to make a motion for each particular item?

[1:12:22] Voice 17: Those are all

[1:12:23] Voice 17: captured in the recommendation at the top of the report.

[1:12:26] Voice 17: So would someone like to

[1:12:27] Voice 17: move those? I

[1:12:28] Voice 4: would. I move that the Hormigaard Local Trust Committee request staff work with

[1:12:33] Voice 4: riders to ensure that any future written notification meets the Hormigaard antenna

[1:12:38] Voice 4: strategy notification content requirements.

[1:12:43] Voice 17: You could do them all at once if you'd like.

[1:12:47] Voice 4: I move that the Hormigaard Local Trust Committee request staff work with riders

[1:12:51] Voice 4: to provide a list of addresses for property owners and residents not yet notified of the

[1:12:56] Voice 4: proposal within a notification distance of 10 meters for every one meter in height from the

[1:13:02] Voice 4: base of the proposed antenna structure request that rogers send written notice of the proposal

[1:13:07] Voice 4: to these remaining property owners and residents three that the hormion local trust committee

[1:13:12] Voice 4: requests that rogers send written notice of the proposal to the school district

[1:13:17] Voice 4: ambulance services as well as the following hormion community groups

[1:13:21] Voice 4: oh all

[1:13:22] Voice 17: right there are further community groups that haven't been notified that you think should

[1:13:25] Voice 17: be i

[1:13:26] Voice 4: think the community is very notified

[1:13:28] Voice 17: so you can just go uh school district and ambulance

[1:13:33] Voice 17: services yes

[1:13:34] Voice 4: and ambulance services

[1:13:35] Voice 17: okay say

[1:13:36] Voice 20: and hey other just so it's open to patting others

[1:13:40] Voice 17: well but if

[1:13:42] Voice 17: we're we're requesting them to send them to these specific places and if we don't

[1:13:47] Voice 17: supply them then no

[1:13:49] Voice 20: no i'm not

[1:13:49] Voice 17: saying we don't have

[1:13:50] Voice 20: those two but yeah and any others that they

[1:13:53] Voice 20: well

[1:13:53] Voice 17: okay fine i we're being asked to identify the any others okay so if we're not going to

[1:13:59] Voice 17: identify them today then we should just end it after ambulance services okay i think okay

[1:14:05] Voice 17: all right so moved would you like to second that sir moved and seconded further discussion

[1:14:18] Voice 17: no further discussion i'll call the question all in favor and that motion carries okay thank you

[1:14:30] Voice 17: Thank you, trustees.

[1:14:32] Voice 17: So that brings us next to Section 8.2, and that is a Development Variance Permit on McLean

[1:14:48] Voice 17: Road.

[1:14:48] Voice 17: We have a staff report in front of us at page 72.

[1:14:51] Voice 17: Okay and this is also from Margaret Minus.

[1:15:03] Voice 17: So this is a Development Variance Permit as

[1:15:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): to the Hornby Island End Use By-law for the

[1:15:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): the Natural Battery to the Sea setback to site an existing deck in the setback, as well

[1:15:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): as to site the existing building deck and structures in the setback to a wetland, as

[1:15:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): identified by the applicants, and the owners are here now to answer questions if you have

[1:15:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): any as well.

[1:15:34] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:15:38] Voice 17: Trustees, any questions for staff or the applicants?

[1:15:43] Voice 4: I'm curious, was there a natural site visit here, and when was that?

[1:15:48] Voice 4: I

[1:15:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): did a site visit in January of this year.

[1:15:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): Any other questions?

[1:15:59] Voice 20: The question I have is, as I understand it, the development that's on that lot isn't that old.

[1:16:10] Voice 20: Now, they're asking for variants of something that I'm not sure how long it's been in.

[1:16:17] Voice 20: I mean, why didn't they do it right in the first place?

[1:16:23] Voice 20: So when were these, I don't know if you know the answer to the question,

[1:16:27] Voice 20: or when were these three points of variance put there?

[1:16:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): Speaker, did you have a bylaw enforcement complaint?

[1:16:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): So somebody complained and said it's an issue on this lot.

[1:16:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): I think it was during construction still,

[1:16:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): but most of it had been constructed at that point.

[1:16:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): And it was identified as a bylaw enforcement infraction.

[1:16:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): And in order to fix that infraction,

[1:17:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): they need to apply for a development variance permit.

[1:17:06] Voice 20: they're going to fix the infraction in

[1:17:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): order to address the infraction so if they had asked in advance of building

[1:17:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): we would have staff would have recommended they get a development variance permit for that setback

[1:17:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): they were approved they had approved plans that showed that nothing was in the setback and then

[1:17:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): it was discovered that this deck is actually in the setback and so retroactively they're requesting

[1:17:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): this variance.

[1:17:37] Voice 20: Could I just repeat that and

[1:17:41] Voice 3: answer your question? Yep. Basically what happened was there was a big kerfuffle with the original builder and the architect. There was a long list of problems and my clients, because I was hired to fix the mess basically, but my clients hired engineers, an envelope engineer and a structural engineer to address the issue.

[1:18:06] Voice 3: and they were found to be not building up to code basically. They failed the rough

[1:18:13] Voice 3: structural etc etc. There's a whole list of problems. So they were fired, including

[1:18:20] Voice 3: the architect, you know, because they would not fix and pay for the problems.

[1:18:26] Voice 3: And there's a long list that has nothing to do with the debt. So I was hired to fix

[1:18:33] Voice 3: everything and also complete the job and I was given the plans at my request

[1:18:39] Voice 3: the architect gave me the plans issued for construction plans and those plans

[1:18:44] Voice 3: included the deck and I had no idea that the deck was never part of the original

[1:18:53] Voice 3: application because I came in the drywall was already on the walls okay so

[1:19:00] Voice 3: that's the stage we were at so i came in issued for construction plans i had a permit number

[1:19:05] Voice 3: sitting plan everything there and i had no idea that we were because i built it according to the

[1:19:13] Voice 3: plans that we were actually encroaching with some piers because we were built on concrete piers

[1:19:19] Voice 3: into the 15 meter setback boundary from the sea so we still we built we built it

[1:19:27] Voice 3: And we were at a stage where it was almost completely done, we were just decking on a few little sections, and then I noticed the bylaw officer, he came over, inspected it, he requested a survey, we provided the survey, and sure enough, you know, I asked him, well don't you have the same set of plans I do?

[1:19:50] Voice 3: and I showed him my plans, he says, you know, I'll go back to the office and I'll send you a copy of what we have.

[1:19:58] Voice 3: And that's the first time I saw that there was a difference.

[1:20:02] Voice 3: So we immediately asked, okay, what's the process, because the deck's done basically at this point,

[1:20:08] Voice 3: you know, it just doesn't, at that point it was done.

[1:20:12] Voice 3: What's the process, variance, application, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:20:16] Voice 3: So, they requested us to get in touch with First Nations, we did, they said there was no issue, you don't need us to have that permit, they don't need to inspect because, you know, they weren't concerned about it.

[1:20:31] Voice 3: they asked for a green shores engineer to be brought on to assure you that this this deck

[1:20:40] Voice 3: was would interfere with the bank or erosion or anything like that would be a problem in the

[1:20:47] Voice 3: future and he determined in his report it was minimal impact if any because the way we built it

[1:20:55] Voice 3: and it only you know it was still firm enough quite quite a distance away from the bank

[1:21:00] Voice 3: so there's a report she has that and here we are so again my clients the homeowner had no idea I

[1:21:13] Voice 3: had no idea you know usually because when I build we entrust the architect to take care of all of

[1:21:20] Voice 3: that you know I was getting the plans the issue for construction permit number on it it was an

[1:21:29] Voice 3: honest mistake so yeah not that awkward i know any

[1:21:36] Voice 20: trustees any further questions i

[1:21:37] Voice 3: don't buy that

[1:21:38] Voice 20: it's not an honest mistake it's the architect's mistake and there's not

[1:21:42] Voice 3: a reason why you should

[1:21:43] Voice 20: sue them no

[1:21:44] Voice 3: yeah i don't know you're correct about that i agree with that i

[1:21:48] Voice 3: mean it costs them half

[1:21:51] Voice 3: a million dollars because it's not just about the deck i mean all the windows came out drywall came

[1:21:56] Voice 3: came down, you know, there was a structural issue.

[1:22:00] Voice 3: I mean, this was a complete nightmare.

[1:22:03] Voice 3: And they're on the hook for half a million dollars

[1:22:06] Voice 3: hiring lawyers.

[1:22:07] Voice 3: And I don't know if you've ever gone to court in Canada

[1:22:11] Voice 3: to fight, you know, in a construction issue,

[1:22:17] Voice 3: but more times than not,

[1:22:19] Voice 3: in fact, everyone I've been involved in,

[1:22:21] Voice 3: it's been, okay, let the builder fix it, you know?

[1:22:26] Voice 3: and you know these people were dishonest and it's a long expensive process only people that

[1:22:34] Voice 3: win it are the lawyers in the end so again we thought we had resolved all the issues and then

[1:22:43] Voice 3: we're at the final stage and bylaw officer shows up and i mean they're victims so you know i mean

[1:22:55] Voice 3: I mean, how much more money do they have to spend to go after the architect?

[1:23:01] Voice 17: Okay, I believe Trustee Allen had a question and then I'll come back to you.

[1:23:04] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm just wondering about the Comox First Nations. So you said that you contacted them?

[1:23:11] Voice 3: Yes, and they reviewed the photos, the survey, etc.

[1:23:17] Voice 3: And they determined, because it was also at the same time there was an application

[1:23:22] Voice 3: to address some erosion issues that happened during the storm surge, and we also wanted

[1:23:29] Voice 3: to have access to the beach, like a stairway down, using, you know, but that's not part

[1:23:34] Voice 3: of this application.

[1:23:35] Voice 3: Now, we've since pulled that, but so it was altogether approaching First Nations with

[1:23:41] Voice 3: respect to that, so they determined because of the size and scope, and again, they had

[1:23:46] Voice 3: no issue about the deck because, again, it's just a few concrete piers that are protruding

[1:23:52] Voice 3: in that kind of character leasers out over them and it's all it's only 22 inches off the ground

[1:23:59] Voice 3: so it's not so towering thing or anything so they determined that you know we didn't we didn't

[1:24:05] Voice 3: require a permit from us they didn't because so anyhow

[1:24:12] Voice 3: marvin can adjust that no because my

[1:24:15] Voice 4: concern is this is that yeah it's it's just regarding a deck so of course it wouldn't

[1:24:19] Voice 4: be concerned but i'm just wondering about the initial construction every construction that's

[1:24:24] Voice 4: been built on the waterfront is discovering something of some sort

[1:24:30] Voice 4: this job research i notice that you know the islands trust says the map says there's something

[1:24:36] Voice 4: nearest site is under 40 meters but i don't know where that information comes from

[1:24:41] Voice 4: they don't always want to know us to know where all the cultural sites are so i'm just curious

[1:24:47] Voice 4: I'm just curious about that.

[1:24:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): Home Oaks First Nation has cultural and heritage investigation process and they have information about that available on their website.

[1:25:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): They have a whole policy about that.

[1:25:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): Islands Trust staff also have access to remote access to archaeological data through the province, through the BC Archaeology Branch.

[1:25:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): That's not publicly available, but staff use that to inform owners when they see that there is a known ARC site, a registered archaeological site, on or near proposed development.

[1:25:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): For all of our applications, that's a standard review process that we do.

[1:25:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): We look up that mapping, and we see how close it is, and then we include that information in the report.

[1:25:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): We would never share publicly that data on our report because it's confidential, but general information about it we can share.

[1:25:48] Voice 20: Mr. Scott, do you actually have a letter from Cuomo Exploitation stating you're okay with this?

[1:25:56] Voice 20: I received an email.

[1:25:58] Voice 20: Because when I look at the pictures here I'm quite surprised because it looks like the type of beach is exactly where one of the five First Nations that used to come here might use.

[1:26:13] Voice 20: It's not some big bank, you know.

[1:26:17] Voice 20: And the other thing I want to point out is we have been incredibly reluctant to give variance out on a whole lot less variance than what this is.

[1:26:29] Voice 20: and i'd also like to ask there's two neighboring properties too there's one of the neighbors

[1:26:34] Voice 20: i think about the proposal from the variants george you know george i do know george i see

[1:26:40] Voice 20: george uh if you're asking if i have a problem with it i have no problem with it

[1:26:49] Voice 20: you don't have a problem with the variants no okay that's a good time

[1:26:54] Voice 20: what about mclean's on the other side

[1:26:55] Voice 3: well they're the ones i mean i was never told who

[1:27:02] Voice 3: complaint but i'm assuming it's them because of all the complaints and the threatens of lawsuits

[1:27:08] Voice 3: with bc hydro giving us power et cetera et cetera et cetera so i'm assuming it's him i don't i kind

[1:27:15] Voice 3: of expected him to be here so i don't know why he's not here but um those are don't unless i'm

[1:27:22] Voice 3: mistaken are those only two neighbors that are in the zone that

[1:27:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): share property boundaries yeah

[1:27:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): so

[1:27:31] Voice 3: so i mean

[1:27:34] Voice 3: can i

[1:27:35] Voice 3: address one thing with your first nations too um i don't know if this has

[1:27:40] Voice 3: to do with it but environmental canada because of what robert was claiming they actually inspected

[1:27:47] Voice 3: our site also they came for an unannounced inspection because he was claiming we had

[1:27:54] Voice 3: buried a creek and he had the whole list of things on this letter and we were exonerated

[1:28:02] Voice 3: by them and i'm interested in also stating that because this this this is a neighbor dispute i

[1:28:09] Voice 3: guess that's what they called it and they shouldn't have been brought into this but

[1:28:14] Voice 3: but that inspector went all over the property,

[1:28:18] Voice 3: digging into the bank, by the way,

[1:28:20] Voice 3: trying to find this creek, which doesn't exist.

[1:28:25] Voice 3: It's a wetland, there's always dikes everywhere

[1:28:27] Voice 3: from a wetland natural, right?

[1:28:32] Voice 3: So, again, I think that has something to do,

[1:28:37] Voice 3: because, so there was something about First Nations

[1:28:40] Voice 3: saying there is a site nearby,

[1:28:46] Voice 3: And I also want to point one more thing out, because I actually don't know the answer to

[1:28:57] Voice 3: this.

[1:28:58] Voice 3: The original permit, and I can't remember when it was pulled, was there a First Nations

[1:29:03] Voice 3: requirement back when the original permit was pulled for the house?

[1:29:07] Voice 3: Because it was quite a while ago.

[1:29:09] Voice 3: It was like, was it 2016?

[1:29:16] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:29:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): there wouldn't have been a referral to Cuomox First Nation if that hadn't started

[1:29:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): yet.

[1:29:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): There may have been general information about the BC Archaeology Branch, Heritage Conservation

[1:29:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): Act shared.

[1:29:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): If you find something, go to the BC Archaeology Branch and maybe apply for a permit if necessary.

[1:29:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): That sort of general legislation, but not Comox First VW.

[1:29:44] Voice 20: The lady

[1:29:45] Voice 3: from First Nations that contacted me, because she asked me a whole bunch of questions,

[1:29:48] Voice 3: I even filled out a form they sent me.

[1:29:51] Voice 3: They wanted to know were we still escalating, were we still going to be doing this, this, this, and this,

[1:29:57] Voice 3: and would it constitute more of an intense...

[1:30:00] Voice 3: meters and exception and all answers to that were no because again project was

[1:30:05] Voice 3: done the only thing was to what we were being we're thinking of doing was the

[1:30:10] Voice 3: stairway down the bank and employing a shoreline engineer to help us do that

[1:30:15] Voice 3: because we had an erosion concern with that area because of what had happened

[1:30:19] Voice 3: in the storm surge so I did answer all the questions and because again it was

[1:30:25] Voice 3: kind of grandfathered in because 2016 didn't require all this so it was already completed

[1:30:33] Voice 3: at that point and she just she according to all the information they gave her the survey etc

[1:30:40] Voice 3: photos she said it wasn't necessary so i do have i can forward that i mean i'm sure

[1:30:47] Voice 3: uh margaret probably got had notification too that i didn't require it i think i

[1:30:51] Voice 3: forward the information to her. But just so you know, it's not like we were implying after the fact for First Nations.

[1:31:04] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:31:04] Voice 17: Great. I'd like to

[1:31:06] Voice 17: make a motion. I have another motion. Could we just wait for his question?

[1:31:09] Voice 17: So

[1:31:10] Voice 4: I'm under the impression if there is a variance permit and then the neighbours get notified,

[1:31:15] Voice 4: I know there's already some thing going on already prior. Does that not be included in the report that the neighbor is not happy or based on whatever reasons, should that not be included here?

[1:31:31] Voice 4: here because so

[1:31:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): if somebody if a neighbor you know notification is sent out and if the neighbor

[1:31:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): has an issue they are encouraged to contact islands trust and the planner and i haven't

[1:31:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): received any any letters of of concern um against this but if i had i would have reported on those

[1:31:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): yeah interesting that's standard practice for any any notification you know if we send out

[1:31:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): notification in advance and uh if we receive something before we've written the report we'll

[1:32:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): add that to the staff report and if we receive anything after between when the report is

[1:32:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): published and the meeting date we'll report on that verbally so i haven't received we haven't

[1:32:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): received anything from you

[1:32:15] Voice 4: you've just received all the emails instead yeah

[1:32:19] Voice 3: from mr mcclain no

[1:32:21] Voice 3: no no no he never confronted us directly i'm assuming it was him okay because of all the

[1:32:28] Voice 3: the complaints. I mean, he got involved with Canada. He was.

[1:32:33] Voice 17: He was with EC Hydro involved.

[1:32:36] Voice 17: Okay. All right. Back to you, Justice Scott.

[1:32:42] Voice 17: In my

[1:32:42] Voice 20: mind, there's too much disregard for what the law stated at the time. And the ignorance

[1:32:52] Voice 20: is bliss part of it. I'm sorry, the fact that the architect did it wrong, the original

[1:32:58] Voice 20: no builder did it wrong then you didn't know when you got there what you were doing i'm going to

[1:33:03] Voice 20: move that the hornby island local trust committee not approve the issuance of the element various

[1:33:09] Voice 20: permit ho dbp 2022.4 and

[1:33:19] Voice 17: sorry did did you just list some reasons are you less than the beginning

[1:33:23] Voice 17: pardon me okay now let's see what katherine's got katherine yeah so i'm just going to check

[1:33:48] Voice 17: with staff because I didn't see any reasons listed in your motion and are we

[1:33:58] Voice 17: required to list reasons I mean that's even I think I stated okay well do you

[1:34:04] Voice 17: want to state them as part of the you know motion I

[1:34:12] Voice 3: understood we were in

[1:34:13] Voice 3: compliance with the intent of the bylaw and that's what the engineer confirmed

[1:34:21] Voice 3: firm. I mean, if it is so minimal, it's it's well, if it's

[1:34:28] Voice 3: so minimal, it should be easy to fix.

[1:34:30] Voice 17: Okay, let's not get

[1:34:32] Voice 17: conversational here again. There's specific questions,

[1:34:35] Voice 17: specific answers. Don't want to get into general discussion on

[1:34:38] Voice 17: that. I want to make the

[1:34:40] Voice 20: motions. Okay, trustee, Alan.

[1:34:46] Voice 4: Well, I got a second discussion. So I'll second the

[1:34:49] Voice 4: motion. Okay. Now discussion. I think more, I need you to clarify more of your reasons.

[1:34:59] Voice 4: I need a little more detail, sorry.

[1:35:04] Voice 20: Everything I heard described, it's been a mistake by the

[1:35:09] Voice 20: architect, a mistake. I really understand what you tried to do, you know, you carried on.

[1:35:18] Voice 20: It's not your fault at all. The architect and that original builder are hugely at fault.

[1:35:24] Voice 20: it's very sad on your part that you've spent so much money but the problem i have is we get

[1:35:32] Voice 20: variants people come to us with variants we've had a few of these come in we i don't think we've

[1:35:37] Voice 20: ever passed one maybe we have but so i have a real problem with one like this that's on the foreshore

[1:35:45] Voice 20: it's in a riparian zone these are the kind of things we're working to protect preserve and

[1:35:53] Voice 20: protect and this is this to me has gone against that not

[1:36:00] Voice 3: according to the shoreline engineer

[1:36:01] Voice 3: pardon me not according to the shoreline well

[1:36:04] Voice 17: and that we have all of the stuff in the report but i

[1:36:07] Voice 17: would i'm going to speak to the motion because um i can't support it as it stands uh the staff

[1:36:14] Voice 17: report does say that if we're going if the ltc chooses to deny the application we should state

[1:36:23] Voice 17: state the reasons for denial as it should i i that's what i just said it should state the

[1:36:31] Voice 17: reasons for denial and so as it's there as the motion stands yes could

[1:36:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): i just clarify um that

[1:36:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): the deck is not sited in the foreshore it's sited about a meter and a bit into the 15 meter setback

[1:36:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): to the natural boundary to see it's not near the foreshore it does you know we have a professional's

[1:36:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): So just to clarify, you said it was in Foreshore and you said it was in a riparian area and it has not been identified as being sited in a riparian area either.

[1:37:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): It was clarified that this is not a riparian development permit area. This is just wetland and nothing.

[1:37:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): That was also clarified by the environmental report. It's not having an impact on the adjacent wetlands.

[1:37:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): So, just, yeah, a couple of things, like the reasons that you were stating, just to clarify.

[1:37:30] Voice 17: Okay. Anything further on this motion?

[1:37:32] Voice 4: Well, I'm the same with you. We have to list the reasons for this. It's not a proper motion.

[1:37:41] Voice 17: Okay. So, I think procedurally, the simplest thing at this stage is to go ahead and call the question on this motion,

[1:37:48] Voice 17: and then if there's a desire to craft another motion, we can look at that then.

[1:37:54] Voice 17: does that seem reasonable okay i'm going to call the question on the motion then

[1:37:57] Voice 17: all those in favor and any opposed okay so the motion is defeated i'm certainly happy to

[1:38:06] Voice 17: uh entertain another motion if no no that's no that's fine if you should wish yeah actually

[1:38:13] Voice 17: make the motion and uh so how do you want to proceed at this point trustees well it's

[1:38:25] Voice 4: Well, basically Grant has got to, uh, he restarted it, we denied it, so, because of lack of information,

[1:38:33] Voice 4: the reason

[1:38:33] Voice 4: is why we have to have that motion.

[1:38:35] Voice 20: If two of you are satisfied, make the motion to approve it.

[1:38:45] Voice 4: I still have to think about the Columbus First Nation, though you seem to think that, and I know it's just the deck,

[1:38:51] Voice 4: and then the house previously in 2016, but of course that was...

[1:38:55] Voice 4: My thing is, yes, it was built, and it's the old grandfather.

[1:39:01] Voice 4: So we can't really do anything about that.

[1:39:05] Voice 4: So I will pass the motion to approve the issuance of the variance permit, HODC 2022.4.

[1:39:18] Voice 17: Okay, so moved, and I'll second that.

[1:39:22] Voice 17: Discussion? No discussion?

[1:39:28] Voice 4: Well, it's obvious that there's not a majority here, and it's an R1.

[1:39:41] Voice 4: But based on just, you know, it's on the deck, it's, you know, we're not outside the house, and we're not in 2016, so...

[1:39:48] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:39:52] Voice 17: Well, I'll just add that everything that I've read in the report, in terms of environmental considerations, in terms of potential encroachment on the foreshore, I don't have concerns based on this report.

[1:40:13] Voice 17: You know, there has been some background work done, the Coastal Geotechnical Resource Review,

[1:40:25] Voice 17: so I'm satisfied.

[1:40:30] Voice 17: Anything further?

[1:40:32] Voice 17: Okay, I'll call the question, all those in favour?

[1:40:35] Voice 17: And any opposed?

[1:40:38] Voice 17: Okay, so that carries.

[1:40:40] Voice 17: I

[1:40:42] Voice 20: am staying, by the way, which is, in

[1:40:44] Voice 20: fact, approving.

[1:40:45] Voice 17: Which is, that's why I asked for a post, because if you wanted to be on the record as opposing, you can be.

[1:40:53] Voice 17: Okay, um, we do have a break scheduled.

[1:40:59] Voice 17: Yes?

[1:41:00] Voice 17: To

[1:41:03] Voice 11: be on the record as opposing?

[1:41:05] Voice 11: No,

[1:41:05] Voice 17: no, he did not oppose it. Thank you, though.

[1:41:08] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[1:41:09] Voice 17: Uh, we have a break scheduled. Should we take a shorter than a half hour break?

[1:41:13] Voice 17: All right, should we go like 10 minutes?

[1:41:15] Voice 17: Is that reasonable?

[1:41:17] Voice 17: And so we'll come back here at 1.45.

[1:41:21] Voice 17: So recessed at 1.45.

[1:41:23] All

[1:41:35] Voice 17: right, I'll call the meeting back to order.

[1:41:37] Voice 17: We are on page 87 of the staff report

[1:41:43] Voice 17: on major project proposal endorsement

[1:41:46] Voice 17: for the 2024-25 budget process.

[1:41:52] Voice 17: And of course, there's a couple recommendations on the top.

[1:41:58] Voice 17: Renee is not available today, Margo.

[1:42:03] I just received a

[1:42:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): message that they could have reached out to Renee

[1:42:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): prior to the meeting if they had any big questions, but I'm here to answer what I can.

[1:42:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): I have

[1:42:20] Voice 4: a little question.

[1:42:21] Voice 4: What about the CTC community funding?

[1:42:26] Voice 4: funding is that something that we could get into do this or because I know this is

[1:42:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): the one available is

[1:42:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): that is this part like this funding request would be requesting C2C or is that separate from this is part of the the island's trust budget process and not yeah

[1:42:45] Voice 4: I just wanted to get help yeah

[1:42:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): so the funding application or the call for applications you can individually determine that that's something that the Hornby Island local trust committee would like to take part in I think there's only one local

[1:42:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): trust committee that would be allocated those funds because the whole trust federation is considered

[1:43:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): one local government under the funding model so you can just have a resolution to that and are

[1:43:07] Voice 4: you aware of any other local trust committee i'm not following who

[1:43:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): has indicated their interest

[1:43:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): uh

[1:43:14] Voice 17: wouldn't it be uh mike richards who'd have it

[1:43:17] Voice 17: like which so i have a

[1:43:19] Voice 17: sticker on that on the pulse of that so you could always reach out

[1:43:21] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:43:22] Voice 17: I did that.

[1:43:23] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:43:25] Voice 17: Are there any other minor questions about the project proposal for endorsement here?

[1:43:33] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:43:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): I could also just generally say that this report is being brought to you based on your

[1:43:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): previous resolution at the June 16th meeting to make this as a major project.

[1:43:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): project. So this is just an early stage proposal, draft proposal to kind of explain how this

[1:43:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): project may look. It's not set in stone, and it's just the LTC support would be needed

[1:44:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): at this early stage to bring it forward to the Financial Planning Committee and to the

[1:44:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): Regional Planning Committee as well.

[1:44:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[1:44:08] Voice 17: Okay. Anything else, trustees, at this stage? Just getting it, you know, essentially to get a business case going for the budget discussions, right?

[1:44:25] Voice 4: I'm going to move.

[1:44:26] Voice 4: Please.

[1:44:27] Voice 4: I'm going to let the Hornbein Local Trust Committee endorse the proposal for First Nation Relationship Building, Major Project,

[1:44:34] Voice 4: and let the Hornbein Local Trust Committee request staff forward the proposal to the Addams Trust Regional Planning Committee.

[1:44:40] Voice 4: financial planning committee for consideration of inclusion in the 2024 2025 island stress project

[1:44:47] Voice 17: so moved and would you like to second that let's see scott we're

[1:44:53] Voice 20: asking how do you have money i

[1:44:56] Voice 20: guess my concern is um for the ocp and the land use bylaw review project the apc was quite willing

[1:45:14] Voice 20: willing to step in and support.

[1:45:17] Voice 20: Okay,

[1:45:17] Voice 17: but this is

[1:45:19] Voice 20: asking money to do that, is it not?

[1:45:22] Voice 17: This is not to do with the OCP.

[1:45:25] Voice 17: This is about relationship building with the-

[1:45:28] Voice 20: Oh, that one, okay.

[1:45:29] Voice 17: For the stations.

[1:45:30] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:45:32] Voice 20: that one's obvious.

[1:45:32] Voice 20: Yeah,

[1:45:33] Voice 17: I'll get you.

[1:45:33] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:45:34] Voice 17: Did you want to second this motion?

[1:45:36] Voice 17: Sure, yes.

[1:45:37] Voice 17: Okay, so it's been moved and seconded.

[1:45:40] Voice 17: Is there further discussion?

[1:45:44] Voice 17: Not seeing any, I'll go ahead and-

[1:45:46] Voice 17: oh yes you had a question or no i have no idea okay good no not seeing any i'll call the question

[1:45:53] Voice 17: oh yes um

[1:45:54] Voice 4: no it's okay all right

[1:45:57] Voice 17: not seeing any further i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:46:02] Voice 17: and that carries unanimously okay thank you trustees and then next we have on page 102

[1:46:14] Voice 17: to the Hornby Island official community plan land use bylaw review project and

[1:46:22] Voice 17: there's a memorandum here and that's

[1:46:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): for me and

[1:46:29] Voice 17: this is planner Zipanek so it's

[1:46:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): been just a few updates since it was drafted and the report was published so

[1:46:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'll give those updates if you have any questions about what's in the memo I can answer that too we did

[1:46:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): did meet with Comox.

[1:46:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): This was just shortly after the BC Ferry incident

[1:46:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): here on the Hornby.

[1:46:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that did change the flavor of the meeting

[1:46:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): in terms of the capacity funding agreement proposal

[1:46:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's referenced in that memo is now on hold

[1:47:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): while we prepare a briefing to chief and council

[1:47:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): on the general relationship of the work that we do

[1:47:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the referrals that we send to Comox on behalf of Denman and Harvey, and providing

[1:47:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): some clarity on moving forward with a process that streamlines and uses their limited staff

[1:47:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): resources more efficiently for these targeted types of reviews, like the official community

[1:47:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): plan policy review that we're asking for some input on.

[1:47:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): So I will be working and supporting upper management or senior management on preparing

[1:47:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): that document as needed to identify the key pressing issues for your Official Community Plan LUB review.

[1:47:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): In the meantime, we are drafting the by-laws, OCP and LUB by-laws, for your consideration

[1:47:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): and hopefully this late fall or early winter, so that you can receive those drafts and determine

[1:47:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): if they are in sufficient format to warrant first reading, which then kick-starts the

[1:48:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): formal referral process, the formal community consultation process.

[1:48:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): us so that's what we're busy doing yes

[1:48:11] Voice 20: is there a firm date i mean because the ocp

[1:48:19] Voice 20: by our review has been moving along so do you have in your mind a strong

[1:48:28] Voice 20: notion that's going to be done by a certain date so

[1:48:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): the project charter has a work plan that you

[1:48:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): endorse that sort of spells out that by march we're looking at that public hearing having been

[1:48:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): and concluded and well on its way towards adoption so it's a very streamlined process for this

[1:48:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): set of bylaws because there's been extensive community consultation done to date

[1:48:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that's why we asked if you wanted to anticipate any additional consultation opportunities

[1:48:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): there wasn't so that's why we have this expedited draft the bylaws go to legislative review

[1:49:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): you get on with it because you've already got a lot of confidence in the community that

[1:49:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): those decisions that you gave and direction that you gave us for drafting the bylaws is

[1:49:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): representative as the direction to move forward in terms of housing, short-term vacation rentals

[1:49:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the First Nation references in the document.

[1:49:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the First Nation references piece might be the one that actually does get held up

[1:49:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): until we can sort out a few more communication pieces and processes with

[1:49:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): FOMOX but that doesn't mean that we have to hold up the housing piece short-term

[1:49:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): vacation rentals and housing for you so I just want to reiterate that right

[1:49:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): from the beginning this was an expedited the bylaw drafting and review process

[1:49:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): was not intended to be a full-blown community engagement exercise again

[1:49:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): because you've already conducted that you've concluded it you've made your

[1:49:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): decision and now you're asking for the bylaws to be returned to you for consideration of first

[1:50:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): second third reading

[1:50:04] Voice 20: thank you

[1:50:05] Voice 4: trustee Allen um I'm too honest I did a lot of soul searching since

[1:50:10] Voice 4: the last meeting and I'm really not happy with where we're at here at all um I think a year

[1:50:16] Voice 4: at St. Nicholas should have been two years I was disappointed as a consultant I don't think we have

[1:50:21] Voice 4: had proper consultation I think every meeting we had the vacation rental conversation took over

[1:50:26] Voice 4: eclipsed our housing discussion and based on what the report that we got from the

[1:50:32] Voice 4: county law and also just dealing with regional planning, I don't think we addressed

[1:50:37] Voice 4: housing at all and I don't feel like I'm confident at all just going ahead with

[1:50:42] Voice 4: this and I think it should be in a two-year process we're rushing it

[1:50:47] Voice 4: we really have to go to the community and address the housing, we haven't

[1:50:52] Voice 4: we haven't done a thing and even yeah it's all about vacation medals and uh it's so i'm not

[1:50:59] Voice 4: happy with the way it's gone in fact it's even with this it's just it's just like the uh the

[1:51:06] Voice 4: scenario with the tower you know that was happening behind our back we had no idea and then something

[1:51:10] Voice 4: was just thrown at us i found out just by an email it was as an editor not as a trustee so i i really

[1:51:17] Voice 4: want to put a hold on this until we deal with this properly you know this is our one chance

[1:51:21] Voice 4: and as well I'm wanting to with the housing needs assessment report coming up as well that's going to

[1:51:27] Voice 4: impinge on our case so I just I don't I just don't want to move ahead of where we're at

[1:51:32] Voice 4: I'm not confident at all with that we have done that

[1:51:35] Voice 4: housing touched on housing so

[1:51:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): can I suggest that you know putting it on hold doesn't address the

[1:51:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): urgent need to advance changes that are necessary which you know every time I

[1:51:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): come to your Kings there's an urgent need to address the housing issues so

[1:51:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): some of those are low-hanging fruit as they're often referenced and some of

[1:52:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): those are more complex policy and regulatory changes so would you want at

[1:52:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): your next meeting to have the project charter for this project brought back to

[1:52:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): you with recommendations to address housing based on the correspondence that you've received

[1:52:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): because I'm assuming that this discussion point is being inspired by Mr. Law's submission

[1:52:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): as well as the numerous town hall public comments that you've received around housing specifically,

[1:52:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): not short-term vacation rental. So you can tease out the short-term vacation rentals

[1:52:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): component as a separate

[1:52:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): regulatory piece

[1:52:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): and leave housing as

[1:52:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): requiring a bit more further comprehensive analysis

[1:52:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): of what the policy and regulatory changes

[1:52:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): are that you want to enact.

[1:52:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): Because right now you still have the outstanding

[1:52:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): issue of short-term vacation rentals.

[1:52:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): You have given direction to staff

[1:52:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): that you want to move forward with regulating those

[1:53:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): through temporary use permit only.

[1:53:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): So you need to either abandon that and give

[1:53:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): clear direction that that's no longer

[1:53:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): the way you want to go or yes, staff

[1:53:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): to bring those bylaws forward but the housing ones we separate out because you want to flesh out

[1:53:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): what the actual topics of that review include based on the submission maybe that you've

[1:53:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): received today and any other issues that you want to discuss at your next meeting

[1:53:27] Voice 4: and then as well as I was under the impression that our last meeting that you were going to

[1:53:32] Voice 4: come back staff were going to come back with a report on how temporary experiments would play

[1:53:36] Voice 4: out vacation rentals and that never happened like I swear I thought that's going to be asked well

[1:53:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): yes you've asked for the bylaws to be drafted under that premise

[1:53:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): I

[1:53:45] Voice 4: thought we were getting information about drafting those bylaws well

[1:53:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): the whole project

[1:53:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): is based on your direction related to short-term vacation rentals being prohibited but regulated

[1:53:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): under temporary's permit process so when I present the draft file as a staff report analysis would

[1:54:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): yes spell out exactly how that looks and here's the bylaw to show what the actual conditions of

[1:54:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): the permit would look like and that's where you can customize and change you know whatever element

[1:54:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): you want it's a draft right it's not a it's not something that you necessarily have to give first

[1:54:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): reading to obviously but it's very helpful to give you an analysis of the report with the regulatory

[1:54:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): framework in draft format so everybody's clear and we say this is the temporary permit

[1:54:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): permit uh and here's the guidelines that you have to meet it's um there's no ambiguity right because

[1:54:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): this expedited process that i'm in to produce bylaws for you under in a very short period of

[1:54:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): time we have to work quickly and carefully to make sure that there's no misunderstanding of

[1:54:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): how that temporary storm is going to actually work in real life can

[1:54:55] Voice 4: i follow i'm sorry um

[1:54:58] Voice 4: um and also social regarding temporary experience for vacation levels i don't think that's the way

[1:55:04] Voice 4: to go frankly and i've

[1:55:06] Voice 1: also sorry

[1:55:06] Voice 4: i'm just just looking what's going on in there what that's

[1:55:11] Voice 4: happened since the last meeting i'm seeing houses every house that's sold is now vacation rental

[1:55:16] Voice 4: immediately um i've people are being kicked out of a house there's two families and now instead

[1:55:22] Voice 4: of making a year-round rental he's going to make it a vacation rental and this is you know i'm

[1:55:26] Voice 4: I'm talking about five or six places this summer.

[1:55:29] Voice 4: So I don't think temporary permits are an answer.

[1:55:31] Voice 4: I think we should ban vacation metals entirely.

[1:55:35] Voice 4: We've got, everybody's already been grandfathered in,

[1:55:37] Voice 4: so it's not like, you know,

[1:55:38] Voice 4: they'll be legally non-performing.

[1:55:39] Voice 4: You know, Salisbury Island, their cap is 140.

[1:55:43] Voice 4: Look at the size of that island.

[1:55:45] Voice 4: And so, I'm sorry to be backtracking,

[1:55:48] Voice 4: but there's a lot of things that happened

[1:55:49] Voice 4: since the last meeting,

[1:55:50] Voice 4: and I've held a lot of discussions with people.

[1:55:52] Voice 4: So

[1:55:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's really important information to receive today because we have already spent

[1:56:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): significant time preparing those models so this is critical that today I leave knowing

[1:56:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): what you would like to see at your next meeting in terms of a deliverable, if it's a project

[1:56:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): charter that's adapted or tweaked between now and the end of March and as a potential

[1:56:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): project moving forward, minor project, then we can do that, we can bring back a project

[1:56:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): charter just got some bare bones elements of housing I think is what I'm hearing

[1:56:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): that way we can provide you some recommendations of the structure of a minor project if it's too

[1:56:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): late to put together a major project proposal or request for additional funding that we can do

[1:56:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): and then the project charter will look completely different than what you have now and that in

[1:56:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): essence eliminates the previous resolutions and direction that you've given and that gives us a

[1:56:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): little bit more clarity so we don't put our feet in our mouths when we talk to Comox any further

[1:56:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): right because it's not great for us to be going to their stats saying hey listen we need to carve

[1:57:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): out some time to talk about these issues and then six months later saying actually we've had a 180

[1:57:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): we want to talk about something else right so we need a little bit of confidence that you're

[1:57:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): committed to a project and that it's you're confident that as it moves forward that it's

[1:57:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): going to result in some proactive changes in your OCP and LAPD that meet the community's needs so

[1:57:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's what I can and

[1:57:24] Voice 4: this is an opportunity for us to even have a better relationship it's

[1:57:27] Voice 4: actually have them at the table right at the get right as we restart this right you know

[1:57:32] Voice 4: we don't go in a different direction as opposed

[1:57:34] Voice 4: to just passing this binder towards to them until

[1:57:37] Voice 4: they can yeah we can be sitting here to do it

[1:57:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): this way so you have a major project of funding request

[1:57:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): request for the relationship building concurrent to that

[1:57:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): could be the development of a review project

[1:57:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): that honors their rights and title

[1:57:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): and perspectives and interests

[1:57:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): to inform policy and regulation

[1:57:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): that also meet the needs of their current residents

[1:57:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): here on the island.

[1:58:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): So I think we need a resolution from the LTC today

[1:58:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): requesting that staff return the OCPLUB project charter

[1:58:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): on the next meeting agenda for review and further discussion and that's sufficient direction for me

[1:58:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): to stop what I'm doing and come prepared with a bare bones project charter that we can then

[1:58:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): sort of customize at that meeting I think it's the clarity of what you'd like to do with the

[1:58:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): remaining funds that you have left in the project and

[1:58:34] Voice 4: that could involve you looking at Tony's

[1:58:36] Voice 4: submission in a little detail in terms of housing options that we need to explore yeah

[1:58:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): okay so to

[1:58:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): add to that draft

[1:58:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): resolution i just threw out would be to uh incorporate um and that staff

[1:58:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): incorporate elements of the submission by mr law dated blah blah blah august

[1:58:55] Voice 17: 2023 yeah

[1:58:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): to um for

[1:58:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): further discussion and then i will do my best to pull out key pieces that are tangible doable

[1:59:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): doable OCP policy, like it was for amendments, so that you can decide what you want to keep

[1:59:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): and what you want to defer for maybe a separate project.

[1:59:16] Voice 20: Okay. Trustee Scott, you're being very patient.

[1:59:21] Voice 20: Yes, thank you.

[1:59:23] Voice 20: Patience is not one of my main characteristics.

[1:59:26] Voice 20: Okay, thank you.

[1:59:28] Voice 20: I totally agree with the temporary use permits.

[1:59:31] Voice 20: It's just very unwieldy, but I don't think people want them.

[1:59:35] Voice 20: And I think it's just the timeline that we're in that they don't work very well.

[1:59:39] Voice 20: So I agree with you on that, that we eliminate that, the temporary use permit from them.

[1:59:47] Voice 20: And did we not ask in June to bring us the draft of the OCP on land use by-laws?

[1:59:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, I'm working on it. That's exactly what I'm...

[2:00:00] Voice 20: right yeah you've got the apc information the consultants report

[2:00:08] Voice 20: is there more information you need no

[2:00:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): i need time so thanks for your patience

[2:00:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): but i do not have this is my only project yeah

[2:00:18] Voice 20: that's good i

[2:00:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): have drafts that are not ready

[2:00:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): for you

[2:00:23] Voice 20: that's what maloney was supposed to do was take that monkey off your back and that didn't

[2:00:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): It didn't happen, did it? So here

[2:00:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): I am, and I'm giving you an update that your next meeting date is the target to get you those draft by-logs so that you can decide whether you're ready to do first, second reading referrals, so thank goodness

[2:00:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): I didn't get them further.

[2:00:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): there okay no that's good

[2:00:48] Voice 20: that's good so um the issue of referral to cobox yes i

[2:00:55] Voice 20: mean some of

[2:00:56] Voice 20: these issues don't seem to me like they're like housing is not the one that's going to affect

[2:01:08] Voice 20: the revolution rights of title some of these just don't seem to fit into the category anything to do

[2:01:15] Voice 20: with land use and shorelines and where there might be middens or culturally modified trees

[2:01:23] Voice 20: or all that kind of stuff but housing it just doesn't seem like something that

[2:01:29] Voice 20: fits into something and we have to refer to them on housing for short-term

[2:01:34] Voice 20: vacation rentals so how much of that time are you gonna spend talking to them

[2:01:41] Voice 20: about well

[2:01:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): none right now because that's not what the direction that you would

[2:01:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): like to go in pending a resolution today however housing is from our perspective

[2:01:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): in the professional planning world is intricately related to the nation.

[2:01:57] Voice 20: Sure, in their own world.

[2:01:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): This is their world.

[2:02:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): Wow.

[2:02:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so their ability to return back to their plans...

[2:02:04] Voice 20: Do you know

[2:02:04] Voice 20: how long I've been doing this stuff?

[2:02:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sorry, so in my

[2:02:07] Voice 20: conversation with Comox, it

[2:02:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): has been very

[2:02:12] Voice 15: clear from Comox.

[2:02:14] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:02:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): So I'm speaking from direct experience with Comox First Nation.

[2:02:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay, good.

[2:02:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): that their interest in affordable housing for their members in their territory, which includes Denman and Kornby, is top rarity.

[2:02:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that's why we have to order you as the elected official to consider that.

[2:02:35] Voice 17: Please don't interrupt.

[2:02:37] Voice 17: I want to just make sure that I understand where the local trustees are on this.

[2:02:50] Voice 17: so that we give the right direction to staff here.

[2:02:54] Voice 17: So what I think I'm hearing is that the bylaws to shut down further short-term vacation rentals

[2:03:06] Voice 17: are on the play.

[2:03:07] Voice 17: We want that to happen.

[2:03:09] Voice 17: What we don't want staff to do is put energy into developing temporary use permit language

[2:03:16] Voice 17: around them.

[2:03:17] Voice 17: so I think when we give the direction to staff we want to make sure that that's

[2:03:22] Voice 17: clear we want to proceed with the with the regulate regulatory scheme on

[2:03:27] Voice 17: short-term vacation rentals but we don't want to proceed with the trip temporary

[2:03:31] Voice 17: use permits part is that am I hearing you guys right yeah okay just so that

[2:03:35] Voice 17: we're and

[2:03:37] Voice 4: also this I just want to apologies to the agency members that it

[2:03:40] Voice 4: wasn't just Tony laws it's because he repeated what it was recommended by ABC

[2:03:45] Voice 4: see so i just want that added as well and the motion is not just yes

[2:03:49] Voice 7: recommendations

[2:03:50] Voice 4: on housing

[2:03:53] Voice 17: okay so we're so it essentially what we're doing is then is is we're going to craft a resolution

[2:04:02] Voice 17: asking staff to stop working on the temporary use permits in relation to the short-term vacation

[2:04:09] Voice 17: rentals part of it but we want them to keep working on the other the regulatory scheme for

[2:04:14] Voice 17: essentially stopping prohibiting

[2:04:16] Voice 18: yeah

[2:04:17] Voice 17: yeah okay so I just wanted to get that

[2:04:20] Voice 17: clarity should I have you got a resolution prepared no

[2:04:26] Voice 4: okay

[2:04:27] Voice 17: you were

[2:04:30] Voice 17: doing it

[2:04:31] Voice 4: you give it the words was trying to write them down well at this

[2:04:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): point I think we have to amend that project right that's your guiding

[2:04:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): document that everyone can look at and clearly understand what it is that I'm

[2:04:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): working on what you're expecting so um it's a resolution requesting staff to amend the project

[2:04:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): charter to remove references of temporary use permit for short term yeah regulation rental

[2:05:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): and maybe just leave everything else until your next meeting okay and

[2:05:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): then i'll bring that full

[2:05:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): charger back and we can split it up into two or just create something that that'll work between

[2:05:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): between now and March 30th.

[2:05:16] Voice 4: Sorry, housing, we won't bring that up until, once

[2:05:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): you've done the

[2:05:21] Voice 4: project hard, you mean?

[2:05:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): That's what you need to discuss at your next meeting is what elements of the housing objectives

[2:05:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): and in scope do you want to keep or expand on?

[2:05:33] Voice 4: So we could refer to the ABC one more time, Wendy.

[2:05:42] Voice 8: We have already given you really strong recommendations about housing and that has been discussed

[2:05:51] Voice 8: extensively.

[2:05:53] Voice 4: To

[2:05:54] Voice 8: put it on hold right now is very-

[2:05:57] Voice 4: No, not on hold.

[2:05:58] Voice 4: I just want to make sure that we're all-

[2:06:02] Voice 17: Okay, so let's get back to, I'm hoping you're close to a resolution which is just

[2:06:11] Voice 17: about cancelling the temporary use for STVR part and give so we can give that

[2:06:17] Voice 17: direction to staff in the form of a resolution and then

[2:06:20] Voice 17: if we have if

[2:06:21] Voice 17: there's other considerations if we want to add staff to consider this the

[2:06:27] Voice 17: document from Tony law then we can do that in a separate one does that seem

[2:06:32] Voice 17: reasonable okay how you doing there with that resolution okay

[2:06:36] Voice 4: one move that the

[2:06:37] Voice 4: the Rural and Local Trust Committee

[2:06:41] Voice 4: advised direct staff to amend the project charter

[2:06:48] Voice 4: to remove references to temporary permits

[2:06:51] Voice 4: for vacation rentals.

[2:06:54] Voice 18: That's sufficient for the

[2:06:55] Voice 4: action purpose, yeah.

[2:06:56] Voice 4: Did you capture that, Catherine?

[2:07:15] Voice 17: So moved and seconded by Trustee Scott.

[2:07:20] Voice 17: Any further discussion on this motion?

[2:07:23] Voice 17: Call the question, all in favor?

[2:07:26] Voice 17: And that carries.

[2:07:27] Voice 17: So shall we then, do we want to ask staff to incorporate or do some analysis on the document from Tony Law and

[2:07:44] Voice 17: incorporate it or bring us back some recommendations or what do you want to do?

[2:07:48] Voice 17: No,

[2:07:49] Voice 4: in deference to ABC, which I'm sorry, they're retired, it's not. The ABC recommendations

[2:07:57] Voice 4: supersede Tony Law's submission, though he's basically brought up the same recommendations

[2:08:05] Voice 4: in the comments.

[2:08:06] Voice 8: With respect, we considered his documents, which are simply repeated in the document

[2:08:14] Voice 8: that he sent to you. It's one of the hundred pages of information. We've already incorporated

[2:08:22] Voice 8: his comments into our recommendations. There's

[2:08:27] Voice 8: nothing new in the document that he sent to

[2:08:29] Voice 8: you.

[2:08:29] Voice 4: Yeah, sorry, I've been going back and forth, maybe trying to read everything.

[2:08:34] Voice 4: So yes, I would, ABC recommendations.

[2:08:38] Voice 17: Okay, and as I recall in our last meeting, we added a bunch of those recommendations

[2:08:44] Voice 17: to the project charter, so

[2:08:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): if that's

[2:08:48] Voice 17: the case, if we're not adding anything new to the project

[2:08:51] Voice 17: charter today, then we can just leave it as it is with that one change we've just made.

[2:08:58] Voice 4: Well, that's okay.

[2:08:58] Voice 4: That'll work.

[2:09:00] Voice 17: That's what I'm hearing from staff.

[2:09:01] Voice 17: I would be

[2:09:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): drafting that off based on what's in the project charter, yeah.

[2:09:06] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:09:07] Voice 17: and there's

[2:09:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): anything that you don't yeah well we put

[2:09:10] Voice 17: apc recommendations we put a number of

[2:09:13] Voice 17: them as i recall recommendations

[2:09:15] Voice 4: so

[2:09:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): there are a number of housing recommendations in the project

[2:09:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): charter currently if there are any that that you want to add specifically that aren't in that

[2:09:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): project charter this would be a great time for me to have that clarity of which ones you want

[2:09:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): to incorporate i wasn't coming prepared to this meeting to dissect the project charter but it's

[2:09:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): not to say that if you know exactly which policy or regulatory pieces you would like us to address

[2:09:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): in the form of a draft bylaw we can do that. If you're not sure we can still do that in November

[2:09:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): because you will have a draft bylaw which is just a draft and you can then say this is what's

[2:09:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): missing because you've gone back to your APC recommendations and you're clear on the direction

[2:10:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): that you want to take these bylaws to address the issue of housing on Harloway.

[2:10:06] Voice 4: Another opportunity for checks and balances. Yes, yes, we need

[2:10:10] Voice 4: to do that.

[2:10:13] Voice 17: Okay then, so in that case we don't need to take further action on this today.

[2:10:21] Voice 17: We've just removed the temporary use permit part and on we go. Full steam ahead.

[2:10:26] Voice 17: head okay next we have correspondence and on page 104 we've got a department official

[2:10:36] Voice 17: oceans canada consultation check-in for the species at risk act anything on that from anyone

[2:10:44] not

[2:10:46] Voice 17: seeing any uh then we've got an email from bc ferries dated august 23rd 2023 regarding the

[2:10:56] Voice 17: archaeological site here on hornby at page 106. any anything on that just received as correspondence

[2:11:06] Voice 17: okay that brings us to section 11 new business we have the housing and land use on hornby island

[2:11:12] Voice 17: prepared by tony law at page 107 we sort of discussed that a little bit so is there

[2:11:19] Voice 17: Right.

[2:11:20] Voice 4: Regarding the community mistake and the mistake in the community housing sorry the public

[2:11:26] Voice 4: use zoning is that just a simple procedure that can be changed or uh I guess that's that's

[2:11:35] Voice 4: supports the letter you know this application possibly for using crown land for housing so

[2:11:42] Voice 4: I think

[2:11:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): the the appropriate step would be to just pass a resolution requesting staff to amend the

[2:11:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): project charter to include that piece so that when i bring it back to you the draft bylaws have that

[2:11:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): reflected so we need a order of

[2:11:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): operations for directions why things show up in draft bylaws

[2:12:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): because you endorse them in the project jurors i

[2:12:06] Voice 4: have a note that the abc noted it was in the

[2:12:08] Voice 4: abc

[2:12:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): yes exactly

[2:12:10] Voice 4: yeah i just don't have it in front of me um it's a very good time

[2:12:25] Voice 12: There it

[2:12:26] Voice 4: is. You're going to dig that up?

[2:12:27] Voice 4: Um, okay, so I move, there was a word beyond your sheet.

[2:12:32] Voice 4: I move that the word beyond.

[2:12:35] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:12:37] Voice 4: The local trust committee advise staff to amend the current land use bylaw to

[2:12:50] Voice 4: Project charter.

[2:12:51] Voice 4: Sorry, project charter to correct the error discovering the land use bylaw zone public use

[2:13:00] Voice 4: to include community housing? Yes.

[2:13:07] Voice 17: Catherine, how do you do on that? Is that sufficient?

[2:13:30] Voice 11: Yeah, I know.

[2:13:30] Voice 17: Okay, so moved. And Trustee Scott, did you want to second that?

[2:13:35] Voice 17: I'm going to kill this wasp first.

[2:13:42] Voice 17: Sorry. Do you want to second it? I'll second it.

[2:13:45] Voice 17: Sure. All right, so moved and seconded. Further discussion?

[2:13:49] Voice 17: sounds like so we're giving staff the direction they need and we're including something that got

[2:13:54] Voice 17: forgotten so that's good okay I'll call the question all in favor and that carries unanimously

[2:14:05] Voice 17: anything further to do with this item are we ready to move on can

[2:14:10] Voice 9: I add something I know I'm not

[2:14:12] Voice 9: supposed to this proposal from Tony is part of a bigger project of a housing strategy for the

[2:14:20] Voice 9: island and so this this this came to you as a standalone and it really is part of something

[2:14:27] Voice 9: that included and was built on the abc and that will be coming to you as well so i'm glad to hear

[2:14:34] Voice 9: that you're not going to make any significant changes based on one report because it's

[2:14:39] Voice 17: it's

[2:14:39] Voice 9: part of a bigger thing yeah

[2:14:41] Voice 17: i think that's

[2:14:41] Voice 9: really important and

[2:14:43] Voice 17: and i i think i heard you

[2:14:44] Voice 17: say earlier that you guys are working with the regional planning committees um toolkit and yeah

[2:14:50] Voice 17: and doing some work and hopefully we'll yes we'll get uh whatever results out of that yes from you

[2:14:57] Voice 17: guys in a timely fashion great

[2:14:59] Voice 9: and tony's part of that is he is

[2:15:01] Voice 17: on that okay as well okay great

[2:15:05] Voice 17: um okay that being the case we could move on then uh under the reports section at 156 we've got the

[2:15:14] Voice 17: the Trust Conservancy Report dated June 2023.

[2:15:18] Voice 17: Anything on that from anyone?

[2:15:21] Voice 17: Nope.

[2:15:22] Voice 17: And then on page 159, we've got the Applications Report

[2:15:26] Voice 17: dated September 1st.

[2:15:28] Voice 17: Any questions, comments on that?

[2:15:31] Voice 17: Yes.

[2:15:33] Okay,

[2:15:41] Voice 17: the Trustee and Local Expense Report

[2:15:43] Voice 17: dated July 2023 is on page 161.

[2:15:47] Voice 17: Any questions around that?

[2:15:50] Voice 17: Nope.

[2:15:51] Voice 17: uh adopted policies and standing resolutions on page 162 okay and anything on the local trust

[2:16:06] Voice 17: committee web page okay on page 167 we've got a census infographics briefing and uh always very

[2:16:20] Voice 17: interesting information there um anything from staff on this this is just for our information

[2:16:29] Voice 17: right yeah

[2:16:30] Voice 5: yeah

[2:16:31] Voice 17: from Trust Area Services yeah so in interesting stuff I would

[2:16:38] Voice 17: imagine that this is great great information to share with your

[2:16:42] Voice 17: community so brings us to our work program a page of 175 we've got the

[2:16:57] Voice 17: active projects report anything on this no and then we've got page 176 we've got

[2:17:11] Voice 17: our future projects report it's also dated september 1st no questions on that okay well

[2:17:24] Voice 17: that being the case that brings us up to upcoming meetings our next regular scheduled business

[2:17:31] Voice 17: what's that oh sorry you had a new business item i'm sorry i blew right by that you should have

[2:17:36] Voice 17: bugged me about that before 11.2 i'm sorry uh can you can you introduce that item then please

[2:17:43] Voice 17: Yeah, so basically I

[2:17:44] Voice 4: met with, on a Zoom meeting with High Seek members and Ross Urchel from

[2:17:53] Voice 4: Wellesley Consulting, who they hired regarding two housing projects, and they're looking

[2:17:57] Voice 4: at the Crown land and also some private property.

[2:18:01] Voice 4: So basically, they're asking for a letter of support, and when I read the letter, which

[2:18:06] Voice 4: I'm sorry, you didn't get it until this morning, you should probably have had a chance, but

[2:18:09] Voice 4: Margo agreed that it was quite a normal letter of support.

[2:18:16] Voice 4: it was very detailed, it was almost like... there was a little too much background on...

[2:18:22] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[2:18:24] Voice 4: The frontal thrust?

[2:18:26] Voice 4: Oh, okay. I'm really good at it.

[2:18:32] Voice 4: Yeah, so I'd rather... I'd like to have a letter of support for this,

[2:18:38] Voice 4: because it's all about affordable housing, and they're being very proactive,

[2:18:41] Voice 4: but the content of the letter just seemed a little too much,

[2:18:45] Voice 4: so we don't really need to have that, so...

[2:18:49] Voice 4: Planner DeWittes.

[2:18:52] Voice 4: DeWittes.

[2:18:54] Voice 4: Whether you have a certain...

[2:18:56] Voice 4: I was actually also questioning whether we even have

[2:18:58] Voice 4: a policy on letters

[2:19:00] Voice 4: of support because

[2:19:02] Voice 4: they claim that they base

[2:19:04] Voice 4: that letter from regional

[2:19:06] Voice 4: district letters of support. I was

[2:19:08] Voice 4: surprised by that. So anyways, I'd like to have

[2:19:10] Voice 4: some direction of how we can

[2:19:12] Voice 4: word it or whether we have

[2:19:14] Voice 4: you go off and word something. I'm not sure

[2:19:16] Voice 4: if there's an urgency or not.

[2:19:17] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:19:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): from my understanding, like I said, the regional planning manager can draft a draft letter for the LTC to sign, a letter of support, a very simple, straightforward letter of support that isn't as specific as the draft letter that High Seat provided.

[2:19:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): write it, and that's something that we have done for other LTCs in the past, and it's

[2:19:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): pretty standard practice.

[2:19:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): There's no policy about drafting those letters or having them signed necessarily, but it's

[2:19:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): a common practice when an LTC wants to show their support for funding for projects.

[2:20:06] Voice 4: Could we do an RWM in between here and the next meeting, perhaps?

[2:20:11] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:20:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): I don't know what their timeline is, when they need it by.

[2:20:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'm

[2:20:16] Voice 4: not sure, but I think the sooner the better.

[2:20:18] Voice 4: I

[2:20:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): don't think you would need that. If you pass a resolution today or pass

[2:20:20] Voice 4: a draft to prepare a letter of

[2:20:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): support for the Chair's signature, you'll get a draft by email.

[2:20:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): You don't need to vote on it because you vote on this resolution and in the draft you just say, I don't like this or I want to add this.

[2:20:32] Voice 17: Yeah, if necessary, yeah.

[2:20:34] Voice 17: All right, true.

[2:20:38] Voice 17: Just for a minute, Taker, let's be a little bit better with our resolution.

[2:20:45] Voice 18: I move that we request staff to

[2:20:47] Voice 4: prepare

[2:20:48] Voice 18: a letter of support

[2:20:49] Voice 4: for High Seek,

[2:20:52] Voice 18: for

[2:20:54] Voice 4: Beyond Economic Enhancement Corporation applications for affordable housing.

[2:21:05] Voice 4: Funding for affordable housing, excuse me.

[2:21:09] Voice 17: Okay, how did you do there, Catherine?

[2:21:32] Voice 18: Under the chair's signature.

[2:21:35] Voice 4: Under the chair's signature.

[2:21:37] Voice 4: That's not the staff's signature.

[2:21:39] Voice 8: Under the...

[2:21:41] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:21:43] Voice 8: It's a Hormey Island Community Economic Enhancement.

[2:21:47] Voice 8: Oh, I see.

[2:21:49] Voice 8: I'm tired.

[2:21:50] Voice 4: Sorry.

[2:21:51] Voice 4: Clarification, Hormey Island Community Economic Enhancement.

[2:21:57] Voice 17: Enhancement.

[2:21:58] Voice 17: Right.

[2:21:58] Voice 17: Right.

[2:21:59] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:22:00] Voice 17: That's my name.

[2:22:03] Voice 17: All right, then.

[2:22:04] Voice 17: So moved.

[2:22:05] Voice 17: And did you want to second that?

[2:22:06] Voice 17: Yes.

[2:22:07] Voice 17: any further discussion on this item

[2:22:11] Voice 17: we'll call the question

[2:22:12] Voice 17: all in favor

[2:22:13] Voice 17: and that motion is carried

[2:22:17] Voice 17: okay so

[2:22:20] Voice 17: we

[2:22:21] Voice 17: did we went through

[2:22:23] Voice 17: the work program there was no questions

[2:22:25] Voice 17: which means our next

[2:22:27] Voice 17: meeting is scheduled for Friday

[2:22:28] Voice 17: November 3rd

[2:22:29] Voice 17: 2023 at 11.30am

[2:22:32] Voice 17: at Ruben Grove

[2:22:34] Voice 17: 2100 Salt Rock Road

[2:22:36] Voice 17: or beyond bc right here unless trustee allen finds us a venue next year okay we're trying to hold

[2:22:46] Voice 17: and so with that i will adjourn the meeting and thank everyone for coming thank you trustees and

[2:22:52] Voice 17: staff. Good job. Thank you. We're going to rush

[2:22:54] Voice 18: to see if we can catch up.

[2:22:56] Voice 18: Oh, you'll get the three-handed point.

[2:22:58] Oops, I'm going to try.

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September 8, 2023 
 
Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
September 8, 2023 
Room to Grow 
2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner 
 Margot Thomaidis, Planner 2 
 Katherine Vogt, Recorder (by Teleconference) 
  
Others Present: Brian Gregg, Consultant for Rogers Communications Inc., (by Teleconference) 
  
 There were approximately 25 members of the public in am and 5 members 
of the public in pm, and no members of the media in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 11:52 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. He introduced himself, Trustees, 
Staff, Recorder, and members of the public. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Under Item 11: New Business, add item 11.2: Letter of support for the Hornby Island 
Community Economic Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC). 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Allen reported on the following: 
 Attendance in June at the annual Comox Valley Regional District meeting. 
 Working on funding for the Hornby boat launch. 

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 Attendance at meetings in August as a member of the Trust Programs and Regional 
Planning Committees. 
 A survey for Hornby residents regarding future possibilities for Islands Trust 
webinars has been posted on Facebook. An email link to the survey can be provided 
upon request. 
 Recent Regional Planning Committee work on the Housing Toolkit, the Housing 
Strategy, and a Trust-wide housing report. 
 
Trustee Scott reported on the following: 
 Input from members of the Hornby Island Ferry Advisory Committee contributed to 
B.C Ferries summer season use of the bigger ferry “Quinitsa” for Hornby Island, and 
of two ferries for Denman Island, which seems to have worked well. 
 Conservancy Hornby Island is holding a ForestFest event in October to celebrate 
local forests and ecosystems, to include guest speaker John Vaillant, author of Fire 
Weather. 
 An amazing year for coho and spring salmon around Hornby Island. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Peterson reported on the following: 
 The June Trust Council meeting included work on the new corporate planning 
process which integrates strategic and financial planning; and an initiative to 
improve the First Nations referral process. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
None. 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
Members of the public asked or noted the following: 
 Having a 3-minute time limit for members of the public to speak at a public meeting is 
unacceptable. In the past there were no time limits. 
o The Chair noted that the agenda allotted 15 minutes for the Public Comments period; 
and there were 9 speakers wanting to speak. 
o A Trustee noted that, in the past, meetings were extended to accommodate people 
who wanted to speak. 
o A Trustee noted that Public Comments had been moved from the end of the agenda to 
the beginning so that speakers would not have to wait so long to speak. 
 A representative from the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement Corporation 
(HICEEC) made a call for support from the Local Trust Committee (LTC), the Islands Trust, 
and the Comox Valley Regional District (CVRD) for two current HICEEC grant applications to 
fund affordable housing initiatives. There will be an upcoming public consultation event at 
the Hornby Island Community Hall. Further support is sought for rectifying language in the 
bylaws regarding the Public Use Zone, to make affordable housing in this zone possible. 

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 A former Trustee spoke on the history and insecurity of affordable housing on Hornby 
Island. Barriers to affordable housing remain strong; so, a range of solutions is needed to 
overcome them.  
o A Trustee acknowledged that the recent report “Housing and Land Use on Hornby 
Island prepared by Tony Law, dated August 2023” was comprehensive and appreciated. 
 Most residents overwhelmingly rejected a previous Telus cell tower proposal like the one 
that Rogers is currently proposing. Residents are still waiting for a face-to-face meeting with 
a Roger’s representative. Hornby already has decent cell phone coverage, with dead zones 
able to be serviced by Starlink. Rogers has recently signed contracts with Starlink, which 
indicates that the Roger’s cell tower proposal is obsolete. Trustees should reject the Roger’s 
application. 
 If a referendum on Roger’s proposed cell tower had taken place before the last LTC election, 
it could have changed the outcome of the election. 
o An applicant to the Advisory Planning Commission (APC) expressed concern about 
being denied appointment to the APC. The Chair reminded that the APC election 
process is done in camera. 
o A Trustee responded that it was not permitted to make public why a person was 
selected to be on the APC. 
o Planner Zupanec noted that government hiring, firing, and appointments were all done 
in camera, as a legislated requirement. 
o A member of the public responded that the secrecy surrounding Hornby APC 
appointments was a problem. 
  A current subdivision applicant expressed concern that Planning and Bylaw Enforcement 
Staff are targeting their application with bylaw contraventions, while letting other 
developments on the island with similar issues go ahead. 
 Starlink is fast and reliable, and the cost is coming down. Over 300 people have signed a 
petition against the Rogers cell tower proposal, which is unsightly, health hazardous, and 
obsolete. Trustees should educate themselves on the cell tower health studies. Trustees 
have the legal power to say ‘no’ to the tower. 
 There is a need for an environmental assessment of the Rogers Cell Tower proposal. 
  A representative from the Hornby Island Housing Society (HIHS) spoke on current 
affordable housing initiatives and issues. 
o A Trustee thanked them for all their work and congratulated that the HIHS was the first 
housing group to give feedback to the Regional Planning Committee. 
 A cell tower on Hornby Island is a massive fire and health risk. Trustees should work for the 
people who elect them and reject the cell tower proposal.  
 Overwhelming numbers of tourists in illegal rentals are killing the Hornby Island 
environment which the Trust has a mandate to preserve and protect. 
 Young people who are sustaining residents in their old age should not have to be living in 
campers. 
 
The Chair clarified that the LTC had the option to concur or not concur to the Rogers cell tower 
proposal; however, non-concurrence could be overruled by the Federal Government. 

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o A member of the public noted that the Regional Manager for Innovation, Science and 
Economic Development Canada (ISED), when recently challenged, did not offer any 
legislation to show that ISED could overrule local government non-concurrence. ISED did not 
overrule Hornby’s rejection of the previous Telus tower proposal, so there is no reason to 
think that they would overrule this new Roger’s proposal. 
5. DELEGATIONS  
None. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated June 16, 2023 - for adoption 
By general consent the Local Trust committee meeting minutes of June 16, 2023 were 
adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report dated September 1, 2023 
Trustee Allen noted that his last name had been misspelled in the Resolutions Without 
Meeting Log. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated September 1, 2023 
Received. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 Rogers Cell Tower Proposal - Staff Report 
Planner Thomaidis presented the staff report that recommends that Trustees require 
that Rogers align their proposal with the Hornby Antenna Strategy notification content 
requirements, which are more expansive than the default federal notification 
requirements. 
Brian Gregg noted the following: 
 Rogers was amenable to conducting expanded notifications. 
 Many current Telus customer residents had requested that Telus be permitted 
on the Rogers structure and a major update is that Telus is formally now part of 
the Rogers proposal and would be sharing the tower and adding their 
equipment to it. Customers of Telus and its subsidiaries such as Koodo, Public 
Mobile, Bell, and Virgin Mobile; along with Rogers and its subsidiaries such as 
Fido, and Chatter: nearly every service provider other than Freedom Mobile 
could be serviced. 
 

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HO-LTC-2023-035 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request that Brian Gregg plan a meeting 
in the Hornby Island Community Hall to discuss the cell tower proposal. 
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HO-LTC-2023-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
1. that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request that staff work with Rogers to 
ensure that any future written notification meets the Hornby Antenna Strategy 
notification content requirements; and  
2. that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request that staff work with Rogers to 
provide a list of addresses of property owners and residents not yet notified of the 
proposal, within a notification distance of ten metres for every one metre in height from 
the base of the proposed antenna structure; and request that Rogers send written 
notice of the proposal to these remaining property owners and residents; and  
3. that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request that Rogers send written notice 
of the proposal to the School District and ambulance services. 
CARRIED 
8.2 HO-DVP-2022.4 (5905 Maclean Road) - Staff Report 
Planner Thomaidis presented the staff report that recommends that Trustees approve 
the Development Variance Permit (DVP) application HO-DVP-2022.4, which seeks to 
rectify existing siting contraventions, because there are insignificant affects to 
neighbouring properties, public beach access, surrounding ecology, or the intent of the 
bylaw regulation. 
The applicant’s representative, who introduced himself as the new builder hired by the 
applicants to correct the errors of the previous builders, explained that unfortunate 
mistakes had been made by the original architect and builders, mistakes which the 
applicants had spent considerable time and money to correct. Kómox First Nation (KFN) 
had reviewed the application and determined that it did not require a Cultural Heritage 
Investigation permit. A representative from Environment Canada had also inspected the 
site and saw no issues.  
HO-LTC-2023-037 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit HO-DVP-2022.4 (Song & Li). 
CARRIED 
By general consent, the meeting was recessed at 1:35 pm and reconvened at 1:53 pm. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 

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9.1 Major Project proposal Endorsement for Fiscal 2024/2025 Budget Process - Staff 
Report 
Planner Thomaidis presented the staff report prepared by Regional Planning Manager 
Jamurat that asks Trustees to endorse the proposal for First Nation Relationship-
Building Major Project, for inclusion in the 2024/2025 Islands Trust budget. 
HO-LTC-2023-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorse the proposal for First Nation 
Relationship Building-Major Project and that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
request staff forward the proposal to the Islands Trust Regional Planning Committee and 
Financial Planning Committee for consideration of inclusion in the 2024/2025 Islands 
Trust budget. 
CARRIED 
9.2 Major Project: Hornby Island Official Community Plan / Land Use Bylaw Review 
Project – Memorandum 
Planner Zupanec updated Trustees that staff have been working on a draft capacity 
funding agreement with the staff from the K’ómoks First Nation (KFN) to allow KFN staff 
to review the scope of potential amendments to the Official Community Plan (OCP) and 
Land Use Bylaw (LUB) regarding First Nations references, housing options, and 
regulating short term vacation rentals.  
 
A Trustee expressed concern that the drafting of bylaws for the OCP/LUB Review Project 
was being rushed; and, that recent submissions and the Advisory Planning Commission’s 
(APC) key recommendations for housing information needed further consideration. 
 
The APC Chair commented that the housing recommendations in the recent submission: 
“Housing and Land Use on Hornby Island prepared by Tony Law, dated August 2023,” 
had been substantially included in the APC’s March 2023 recommendations document. 
 
The Chair clarified that Trustees wanted regulations regarding short term vacation 
rentals (STVR)s; but that they wanted the Temporary Use Permit (TUP) application for 
STVRs references removed from the Project Charter. 
 
HO-LTC-2023-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend the Project Charter 
to remove references of temporary use permits for short term vacation rentals. 
CARRIED 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 

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10.1 Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada Consultation check-in - Schedule 1 of the 
Species at Risk Act - Received. 
10.2 BC Ferries email dated August 23, 2023 regarding Archeological Site - Received. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Housing and Land Use on Hornby Island prepared by Tony Law, dated August 2023 
Trustees acknowledged the 48-page document from former Trustee Tony Law, 
submitted to the LTC on August 27, 2023, that 1) proposes a comprehensive approach 
to land use planning for housing on Hornby Island; and 2) provides a description and 
context for the error in the "Public Use Zone" which needs correction for the HICEEC 
proposal for community housing in the public use zone south-west of Central Road to be 
permitted. 
HO-LTC-2023-040 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend the current Land 
Use Bylaw Project Charter to correct the error in the Public Use Zone to provide for 
community housing. 
CARRIED 
11.2 Letter of support for the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement 
 Corporation (HICEEC). 
A Trustee expressed apprehension regarding extra content in the letter of support 
drafted by HICEEC for Trustee endorsement; and questioned the Trust policy and 
protocol regarding letters of support from Trustees. 
o Planner Thomaidis responded that the Regional Planning Manager could draft a 
letter of support, as has been done by LTCs in the past. 
 
HO-LTC-2023-041 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to prepare a letter of support 
for the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement Corporation regarding 
funding for affordable housing, under the Chair’s signature. 
CARRIED 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated June, 2023 - Received. 
12.2 Applications Report dated September 1, 2023 - Received. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated July, 2023- Received. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions- Received. 

 ADOPTED 
 
 
 
 
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12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
12.6 Census Infographics – Briefing - Received. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated September 1, 2023 - Received. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated September 1, 2023 - Received. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30 am at Room to 
Grow, 2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:34 pm. 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder