Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 14, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 7: awesome thank

[0:00:03] Voice 9: you very much you're welcome

[0:00:06] Voice 7: well

[0:00:07] Voice 8: good morning everybody

[0:00:10] Voice 8: i always feel funny about coming to another island and saying welcome to the gabriel island

[0:00:15] Voice 8: look trust me because i'll just welcome myself you guys all live here and it's just a real

[0:00:21] Voice 8: pleasure for me to come here and those of you who don't know peter luck on my collective i'm

[0:00:27] Voice 8: to see some Territory Council and Territory Group

[0:00:29] Voice 8: want to go LTC here.

[0:00:31] Voice 8: And it's a beautiful, believe it or not,

[0:00:34] Voice 8: early fall day, and so grateful for that.

[0:00:37] Voice 8: Of course, we're here meeting in Sonoma Territory

[0:00:42] Voice 8: and all

[0:00:43] Voice 9: up and down

[0:00:44] Voice 8: on just area

[0:00:44] Voice 9: where I live,

[0:00:45] Voice 9: my accent, Connecticut Territory,

[0:00:48] Voice 9: every day, that's meaningful and important to me.

[0:00:52] And I think that we all need to reflect upon

[0:00:55] the place

[0:00:55] Voice 9: that we live and occupy.

[0:00:57] Voice 9: by and play and love and everything that we do.

[0:01:00] Voice 9: And that indeed, the history here of colonial settlement

[0:01:05] Voice 9: has not been very kind to nations,

[0:01:10] Voice 9: but we were welcomed so

[0:01:11] Voice 8: warmly with our hearts.

[0:01:13] Voice 8: And so let's always consider that.

[0:01:17] Voice 8: With me today, of course, is your locally elected

[0:01:20] Voice 8: trustees, Susan Haynes.

[0:01:23] Voice 9: Thank you, Jerry Leckel.

[0:01:24] Voice 9: I would also like to make a small note to it.

[0:01:27] Voice 9: do you

[0:01:30] Voice 5: want to go first

[0:01:31] Voice 9: okay okay thank you so last month i had the pleasure of attending the

[0:01:36] Voice 9: sunshine coast festival of literary arts and two authors i heard first nation authors

[0:01:43] Voice 9: one was angela starrett some of you may know her as a cbc reporter and her book

[0:01:51] Voice 9: It was called Unbroken, My Fight for Survival, Hope, and Justice for Indigenous Women and Girls.

[0:01:57] Voice 9: And it was such a powerful presentation that many in the audience left weeping.

[0:02:04] Voice 9: And then the next day, I was so fortunate to see Jodi Wilson-Raybould talk about her most recent book called True Reconciliation, How to Be a Force for Change.

[0:02:15] Voice 9: So, they were, I really took a lot of track with me from those presentations, but significantly

[0:02:23] Voice 9: for the work that we do for Council, for the Honours Trust Conservancy, and for our Local

[0:02:30] Voice 9: Trust Committee, when asked by audience members what non-Indigenous people should do to honour

[0:02:36] Voice 9: reconciliation, Ms. Sterritt responded with some urgency, stand up and say something when

[0:02:43] Voice 9: you witness racism.

[0:02:44] Voice 9: She also reminded people

[0:02:47] Voice 5: in the audience,

[0:02:49] Voice 9: which were, you know, the audience were several

[0:02:53] Voice 9: hundreds, by the way, it was a pretty big venue, she reminded people to believe our

[0:02:59] Voice 9: stories.

[0:03:01] Voice 9: That was pretty.

[0:03:04] Voice 9: So with the beginning of the school year, I'm back volunteering at the school again,

[0:03:08] Voice 9: and I think about what First Nations elders and parents, how they would have passed on

[0:03:14] Voice 9: their knowledge to their children.

[0:03:16] Voice 9: That seems really important to me.

[0:03:18] Voice 9: And I think about my obligations to future generations quite often when I'm at school,

[0:03:24] Voice 9: and about being a better ancestor, and maybe about sharing stories with children that helps

[0:03:30] Voice 9: be better ancestors, to think about ways that we can care for each other and for this place

[0:03:36] Voice 9: that we call home, as if we

[0:03:41] Voice 7: truly belong here, as if we truly belong in this place.

[0:03:48] Voice 7: Good morning, everyone.

[0:03:54] Voice 9: My name is Toby Elliott. And thank you for that beautiful

[0:03:59] Voice 9: introduction. I as well want to affirm support for not only the Declaration Act, but

[0:04:09] Voice 9: EC signed into law in 2019, but the Islands Trust's own reconciliation declaration signed

[0:04:19] Voice 9: in this room on March 14, 2019, in which our organization committed to a path of acknowledging

[0:04:30] Voice 9: the wrongs, the historic wrongs that have been committed and the decision-making that

[0:04:34] Voice 9: has been done predicated on a faulty and flawed understanding of underlying rights and title

[0:04:41] Voice 9: in the territories of the more than 30 nations in the islands trust area on whose land we live

[0:04:48] Voice 9: and work and play and when I was campaigning to be elected to this body last year I wrote

[0:04:56] Voice 9: a reconciliation mandate for myself September 2nd 2022 and I'll just read out a portion of it

[0:05:04] Voice 9: with your indulgence because it is what guides my decision making and I read it through this morning

[0:05:10] Voice 9: and it's still true today it's like I was like oh this is my north star this is what will

[0:05:16] Voice 9: be my bedrock in decisions that are when it gets tough so I fully support the trust commitment to

[0:05:23] Voice 9: reconciliation and deepening relationships with First Nations people the current trust policy

[0:05:28] Voice 9: statement which guides community processes and decision making has never acknowledged the rights

[0:05:33] Voice 9: rights, concerns, or ongoing relationship with Indigenous peoples with the lands and

[0:05:37] Voice 9: waters in the trust area.

[0:05:39] Voice 9: I fully endorse the work done, the work being done by the current term of trustees, this

[0:05:45] Voice 9: was last term, to rectify this and bring the trust policy statement into alignment with

[0:05:50] Voice 9: the TRC's calls to action.

[0:05:53] Voice 9: It is critical that the very special relationship, that's the name of First Nation and other

[0:05:59] Voice 9: First Nations have to Gabriela, Mudge and Dikorsi is protected and supported in practice as well as

[0:06:07] Voice 9: in law. That Indigenous rights to access their sacred areas, burial sites, harvesting areas and

[0:06:15] Voice 9: places of spiritual significance and renewal on the islands are respected. I would work to ensure

[0:06:22] Voice 9: all agencies and ministries conform to heritage protection for sites that are significant to

[0:06:27] Voice 9: the same name of First Nation and follow the conservation policies and principles as outlined

[0:06:32] Voice 9: by the Islands Trust and First Nations Governance and now Declaration Act. And I'll close with the

[0:06:39] Voice 9: words of former trustee Dan Rogers, who was chair of this LTC. In some remarks, he made March 2021

[0:06:46] Voice 9: to trust counsel because I think they get to the metal of the principles that guide our work today.

[0:06:56] Voice 9: Our commitment to reconciliation comes not from a dictate or directive in the act, but rather from the legal and moral imperatives to recognize and understand the history of this area, to reject colonial attitudes, and to travel the path to reconciliation.

[0:07:14] Voice 9: The Trust has been remiss in its history of recognizing the history and heritage of Indigenous peoples in this area, and has set about on a path of understanding and reconciliation.

[0:07:25] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:07:27] Voice 9: thank

[0:07:27] Voice 7: you toby um so let's continue with introductions um

[0:07:35] Voice 8: lisa miller

[0:07:37] Voice 8: our minute taker general our regional planning manager online we have uh never said uh chadwick

[0:07:44] Voice 8: we also have chloe cookson in the background there we're going to have our technology thank you

[0:07:48] Voice 8: chloe and i believe son is tonight we'll

[0:07:50] Voice 9: be joining us later online

[0:07:52] Voice 9: online you know just in person and um but good morning and welcome we um have an agenda

[0:08:00] Voice 9: before us and i'll ask if there's any additions or deletions to the agenda

[0:08:07] Voice 9: excellent so then we will adopt the agenda

[0:08:10] Voice 8: by general consent as presented um nothing to

[0:08:14] Voice 8: report in the rising report from our previous in camera meetings and so we'll just continue on

[0:08:20] Voice 8: on with the reports from our trustees and the chair and the electoral area director.

[0:08:26] I want to pass on regrets

[0:08:29] Voice 8: from area directors Vanessa, Craig. She has submitted an update

[0:08:36] Voice 8: to her report that's in our agenda package today. And I won't read it, but it's about

[0:08:44] Voice 8: the health center. I'll just summarize some of the dates. She's indicated there's going

[0:08:48] Voice 8: to be some public consultation when we get to the part of the agenda so let's continue on with

[0:08:54] Voice 8: trustee reports and who would like to go first on their local activities i

[0:09:00] Voice 9: can go first um so

[0:09:05] Voice 9: since our last local test committee meeting i have attended um i have attended a very advisory

[0:09:14] Voice 9: committee sort of pre-meeting because our meeting is actually coming up on monday this coming monday

[0:09:21] Voice 9: there will be a very advisory committee meeting at three to five and then there'll be an open house

[0:09:27] Voice 9: following the fact meeting and it will be in this location monday the 23rd no the 18th coming up

[0:09:33] Voice 9: real soon right um so one of the things that came out of our last back meeting is that because the

[0:09:42] Voice 9: terminal lead development is not scheduled until 2028 both terminal redevelopments there are many

[0:09:49] Voice 9: many things on this side, and even the other side, the Nanaimo side, that we feel, as FAC

[0:09:56] Voice 9: members, could be addressed before the actual big redevelopment in 2020.

[0:10:01] Voice 9: So three of us on FAC, myself, Stephen Earle, and Heather O'Sullivan, wrote a letter in

[0:10:09] Voice 9: August to request a special meeting to discuss safety issues on this side, at the Descanso

[0:10:17] Voice 9: and we have not yet received a response so i'm hoping maybe by monday's back meeting

[0:10:26] Voice 9: we will have a response but i'll just summarize what we asked for at this special meeting

[0:10:32] Voice 9: we raised a number of safety issues related to the current terminal including site alignments

[0:10:37] Voice 9: which do not provide adequate separation of pedestrian cyclist and vehicle traffic as well

[0:10:43] Voice 9: well as a lack of signage and lighting and inadequate roadside shoulders. Many of these

[0:10:49] Voice 9: safety concerns are outlined in the 2019 Descanso Bay Terminal Development Plan. That was the one

[0:10:55] Voice 9: that was put aside for some time. As potential hazards to pedestrian cyclists, those with

[0:11:02] Voice 9: disabilities or mobility challenges, as well as to motorists entering and exiting the terminal.

[0:11:08] Voice 9: Gabriel and FAC members feel that many of these safety concerns can be addressed prior to

[0:11:13] Voice 9: completion of the planned terminal redevelopment so that's what we asked to meet them what we asked

[0:11:20] Voice 9: to meet them with and hopefully we'll have some answer maybe on monday um the other thing that i

[0:11:31] Voice 9: wanted to mention in my trustee report is that a very significant court decision came down from

[0:11:38] Voice 9: Galliano a while ago and that is was really close to my heart because I was um part of the original

[0:11:50] Voice 9: trying to save the forest of Galliano movement of the early 1990s and the trustee at that time

[0:11:56] Voice 9: was Margaret Griffiths she has since passed but she was a close friend of mine she became a close

[0:12:02] Voice 9: post-random life because she was such an advocate for her island's future and for the ecology

[0:12:09] Voice 9: of Gilneano.

[0:12:11] Voice 9: And I was so elated when I read this decision because it just kind of reconfirmed the fact

[0:12:20] Voice 9: that the court found in the Island Trust's favor that their forest land bylaws were relevant

[0:12:28] Voice 9: development and current and they will.

[0:12:31] Voice 9: And so that was just a huge celebration with me.

[0:12:34] Voice 9: I wanted to mention that because you know it's for me,

[0:12:38] Voice 9: it's not just to make it real up.

[0:12:40] Voice 9: It's always been scary.

[0:12:44] Voice 9: So the other thing I've been involved in is I am.

[0:12:49] Voice 9: I'm an RDN parks and master plan advisory committee member,

[0:12:54] Voice 9: so I've been trying to encourage the public to

[0:12:57] Voice 9: send in their comments about the master plan and they have till the end of September to do so and

[0:13:05] Voice 9: it's been well advertised everywhere so as an Islands Trust committee member and council member

[0:13:14] Voice 9: and Islands Trust Conservancy member I've been really focusing in my comments on conservation

[0:13:21] Voice 9: Activation, trails, active transportation, and public shore access.

[0:13:27] Voice 9: So I'm kind of less focused on infrastructure like things like, you know, tennis courts and things like that.

[0:13:33] Voice 9: Because I figured other people would.

[0:13:37] Voice 9: So that's that.

[0:13:40] Voice 9: And I think that's about it for my little request.

[0:13:46] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:13:47] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:13:49] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:13:50] Voice 9: It has been a busy.

[0:13:52] Voice 9: I think we met July 20th, was it? June 20th. It's

[0:13:58] Voice 9: been a busy few months, anyways.

[0:14:03] Voice 9: So I was able to meet with the Honest Trust has managed, we have finally hired our senior

[0:14:10] Voice 9: intergovernmental Indigenous Relations Advisor, got the title, Robin Keffie, just on a personal

[0:14:18] Voice 9: on a personal basis because we're probably working with her to set the reconciliation learning group among trustees, which was the very first motion that I brought to trust council so newly elected trustee I was like, what is the home for discussing

[0:14:34] Voice 9: issues that we all have in common to do with engaging in a good way with nations and the

[0:14:39] Voice 9: learning that we need to do, and staff recommended a reconciliation group be set up. So that is now

[0:14:45] Voice 9: scheduled, and interested trustees are gathering for the first time. So just to give you an idea

[0:14:51] Voice 9: of how long it takes to get something, a new process in place, that's been almost exactly a

[0:14:56] Voice 9: year but it was lovely to meet her um robin keffi is is um really well seasoned i would say

[0:15:04] Voice 9: in policy work and working on behalf of of first nations and in this critical intersection we find

[0:15:13] Voice 9: ourselves today um the island's own conservancy that's another executive committee has met twice

[0:15:21] Voice 9: We're preparing to go to UBCM next week, and so you'll learn all about what it's like to

[0:15:28] Voice 9: meet with ministers, hopefully not say anything that's put my foot in the mouth, but really

[0:15:36] Voice 9: just there to learn and see what the landscape in BC is, the rest of BC is doing legislatively.

[0:15:42] Voice 9: My interest, of course, has always been affordable housing and how the Adams Trust can network

[0:15:47] Voice 9: can work with other agencies on those regulatory versus that are changing regional planning

[0:15:54] Voice 9: committee meeting met last week it was a fairly big agenda and if anyone is interested in the

[0:16:03] Voice 9: housing tool things that has been developed and it's been almost a year in the in the planning

[0:16:10] Voice 9: that was debated and gone through the meeting was september 6th so if you go to that agenda

[0:16:17] Voice 9: and package. It's quite long, but it's a really good look at housing approaches across the trust

[0:16:23] Voice 9: area and that LTCs can draw from a menu of options. So for the first time, we have this

[0:16:31] Voice 9: compendium of what are the different approaches, creative approaches that are possible or might

[0:16:36] Voice 9: be tried. And in our OCP review process, which we're going into next year, we'll be able to

[0:16:42] Voice 9: have this sort of compendium to to look at and debate what's appropriate for this LTC so it's a

[0:16:49] Voice 9: really strong piece of work and I'm really looking forward to that I've been working with staff on

[0:16:54] Voice 9: the materials for the launch of our OCP visioning process well sorry I should say Gabriola vision

[0:17:02] Voice 9: Gabriola vision you get a little process we'll have the staff update later on so I won't go into

[0:17:07] Voice 9: too much but the launch is the september 17th at the fall fair so there's information on the

[0:17:16] Voice 9: website there and there's little if you can pick up a sheet at the door as you go out

[0:17:22] Voice 9: we're asking people for how you want to be engaged with what is the way that you want to meet and

[0:17:28] Voice 9: talk about your vision for gabriola specifically um and there's a big gift basket of local goodies

[0:17:34] Voice 9: from local producers will be giving away the draw on 5 30 September 17th at the fall fair so staff

[0:17:43] Voice 9: will be there Susan and I will be there and this has been a lot of work coming together I'm very

[0:17:50] Voice 9: appreciative of staff supporting all steps of this process and finally I met with MP or MP

[0:18:00] Voice 9: the Elizabeth May and MLA representative Adam Olson he convenes a meeting of the Southern

[0:18:05] Voice 9: Gulf Island called the Southern Gulf Island Forum one Monday a month and so it's the first time we

[0:18:12] Voice 9: met in person and two items of discussion because I'm the chair of the Southern Gulf Island so I

[0:18:19] Voice 9: kind of straddle that but it was really interesting there's talk of exploring very early days the

[0:18:25] Voice 9: First Nations interest in a potential First Nations-led harbor authority or port authority

[0:18:30] Voice 9: for the management of waterways that's it's totally outside of my jurisdiction but Adam

[0:18:36] Voice 9: is exploring that and MP Elizabeth May is she's been working on the input into Bill C-33 which

[0:18:46] Voice 9: is in second reading in Parliament right now and that definitely it has to do with marine

[0:18:51] Voice 9: transportation and the management of mooring buoys among other things and anchorages and

[0:18:58] Voice 9: it's greater so there's really important work being undertaken I'm very glad to in my very

[0:19:04] Voice 9: small way learning about it and seeing how the honours trust can support so that's enough for

[0:19:09] Voice 9: now oh and I continue to hold office hours I've moved from the trust or from the surf lodge to

[0:19:15] Voice 9: back into the library so generally I'm either at the honours trust office on Thursdays and

[0:19:21] Voice 9: alternatively at the library on Tuesdays if anyone wants to be so thank you indulgence along the board

[0:19:28] Voice 9: i'm envious you

[0:19:29] Voice 9: met with two of my heroes which oh yeah it was fantastic meeting um they're very

[0:19:35] Voice 9: dedicated and they are on

[0:19:37] Voice 9: it yeah totally thank

[0:19:41] Voice 8: you very much trustees so from the chair's

[0:19:45] Voice 8: uh perspective thank you toby uh reporting on that executive communication council that's right

[0:19:52] and the the

[0:19:53] Voice 8: coming council is on uh north pender island we'll be there for three days

[0:19:58] Voice 8: and um some of the broader general activities happening at executive committee on behalf of the

[0:20:05] Voice 8: federation and will be being discussed at the upcoming council meeting our advancements in uh

[0:20:12] Voice 8: we're developing a corporate planning framework to assist us in our overall operation they asked

[0:20:17] Voice 8: us in our ggp planning stuff and that is is advancing there'll be discussion about that

[0:20:23] Voice 8: We're going to be revisiting a vision to the Alamstrasse again. We've worked hard on this

[0:20:28] Voice 8: over the years and never landed a vision statement for the Alamstrasse. It has become obvious to us

[0:20:33] Voice 8: in the governance review work, which we're also doing, that we really need to land on what a

[0:20:38] Voice 8: vision statement is for the Alamstrasse so that can be embodied in the policy statement work that

[0:20:42] Voice 8: we're doing and can serve as a guiding light to us in all the work that we do. So with a new

[0:20:50] Voice 8: council that we have now we're going to attempt that one more time and we're hoping that we might

[0:20:55] Voice 8: land something so we can move forward with confidence in um in the work of the policy

[0:21:01] Voice 8: statement but also the other topic of discussion uh will be our interpretation of the section three

[0:21:08] Voice 8: of the um of the act um about uh the amenities of preserving protecting violence the communities

[0:21:16] Voice 8: and the amendments, special amendments to the alphabet period, again, to bolster that

[0:21:20] Voice 8: development of a policy statement and our work together, taking those guiding principles

[0:21:28] Voice 8: to advance our work.

[0:21:30] Voice 8: The other thing of interest that you might find of interest is we asked the Ombudsperson

[0:21:35] Voice 8: to do, voluntarily asked them to review some of our policy purposes associated with violent

[0:21:41] Voice 8: enforcement, because there has been some criticism about how we do that.

[0:21:46] Voice 8: And they've come back with some suggestions.

[0:21:48] Voice 8: And so we're seeking counsel's endorsement of that report, essentially, and whether or not there's anything missing or gaps.

[0:21:56] Voice 8: But certainly taking an effort at improving the violent enforcement processes that we have.

[0:22:02] Voice 8: So that's a good news thing.

[0:22:04] Voice 8: That's well worth it.

[0:22:05] Voice 8: And, of course, there's lots of other things on the agenda.

[0:22:09] Voice 8: You can view it online as well as if you wish to travel to Bender, you can attend it in

[0:22:16] Voice 8: person.

[0:22:16] Voice 8: But these are also early days of our budget cycle, so business cases are starting to advance.

[0:22:22] Voice 8: We won't be talking about budget so much at this meeting, but certainly once December's

[0:22:28] Voice 8: Council comes along, we'll be talking about the 2024-25 budget and making sure that we're

[0:22:36] Voice 8: doing the work that you want us to do and necessary to preserve this place um that's my

[0:22:42] Voice 8: report um i'm going to move on to electoral area director's report um she offers her regrets not

[0:22:50] Voice 8: being here she did include in the agenda package a report and uh she sent over an email uh this

[0:22:57] Voice 8: morning uh by way of an update um and and passing on her regrets of not being here and is thankful

[0:23:04] Voice 8: to Susan Yates for being on the Parks and Trails community investment somewhere else actually, but anyway.

[0:23:14] Voice 8: She provided an update on the well-being service for Gabriela, which, as you probably know,

[0:23:20] Voice 8: is they're advancing that through the Nanaimo Regional District through an alternate approval process,

[0:23:25] Voice 8: which is kind of a little complex, and you just have to kind of work through it with her

[0:23:32] Voice 8: and the regional district in order to determine whether or not they're going to fund some

[0:23:36] Voice 8: support associated with your well-being, potential well-being service.

[0:23:41] Voice 8: And so I think there was an announcement in yesterday's Sounder with a QR code that you

[0:23:47] Voice 8: can get more information.

[0:23:48] Voice 8: But the dates that have been set for the in-person meetings are September 16th.

[0:23:52] Voice 8: That's a Saturday, Sunday, September 17th, Monday, September 18th, Tuesday, September

[0:23:58] Voice 8: 19, and there'll also be two online sessions that you can attend that are on Monday, September 25th.

[0:24:05] Voice 8: So they're trying to get that moved along to get that into their future budget, I presume.

[0:24:10] Voice 8: And so we'd encourage you to participate in those university sessions or the online session so that that work can be accomplished.

[0:24:20] Voice 8: yeah and the parks and trails and recreation master plan is ongoing there's gonna be a postcard

[0:24:26] coming up

[0:24:27] Voice 8: that's a great idea with a unique code on it to allow you to provide your input and make

[0:24:32] Voice 8: it statistically reliable i'll just say that toby and i met with the consultant online last week was

[0:24:40] Voice 8: that too all these folks have been busy and spent an hour or more talking about parks and rec and

[0:24:46] Voice 8: And Toby was able to really share some really solid information about the community and what the significance and importance of parks are on Gabriola.

[0:24:57] And, of course, also

[0:24:58] Voice 8: share our concerns about the relationship with First Nations with respect to those sorts of accesses as well.

[0:25:06] Voice 8: And that's it, I think, for that section.

[0:25:10] Voice 8: We have First Nations reports on our agenda.

[0:25:12] Voice 8: um and we don't have anyone here today to speak to us on that the moment for a report so um we

[0:25:20] Voice 8: continue to keep that spot open um as time goes on um hopefully we'll get more in that area

[0:25:26] Voice 8: uh this is now enough of my talking um public comment period and so this is your opportunity

[0:25:34] Voice 8: to tell us about stuff that's going on um share and express any concerns that you have

[0:25:40] Voice 8: um uh ideally um business that we have or applications that are coming to us um or those

[0:25:47] Voice 8: items that are within the jurisdiction so the items trust um we'd like to hear from you now

[0:25:52] Voice 8: so just give me a show of hands if there's anybody who's through that committee today

[0:25:56] Voice 8: okay so i'm just going to start the front and work my way back around the one two three four

[0:26:00] Voice 8: i think i saw so please introduce yourself to the public records and uh what do you want to

[0:26:06] Voice 8: share with us today

[0:26:06] Voice 9: thank you i'm deborah ference and i'm from uh i live on the state on the real

[0:26:12] Voice 9: island and happy september to you all and welcome yeah um this is a really brief and i did send this

[0:26:22] Voice 9: off but i was very late in sending this off to the trustees uh it's uh it's concerning the staff

[0:26:29] Voice 9: report on the OCP review of July 20th, 2023. So I am appreciative of the solid work of the staff

[0:26:36] Voice 9: report. I'm thankful for highlighting the importance of personal agent consultation

[0:26:40] Voice 9: and engagement in the community process with the intent and commitment to identifying and

[0:26:47] Voice 9: including First Nations priorities in the OCP and LEB. But I am sad that nowhere in the report,

[0:26:55] Voice 9: in this particular report is the climate emergency mentioned or included.

[0:27:00] Voice 9: I do trust that throughout the community engagement process

[0:27:04] Voice 9: and in subsequent messaging and information sharing

[0:27:07] Voice 9: that the climate emergency will get due attention,

[0:27:10] Voice 9: but I feel that it should be emphasized in every part of the OCP and LUB review project

[0:27:16] Voice 9: from every staff report to the project charter language

[0:27:20] Voice 9: to all communication in the engagement process

[0:27:23] Voice 9: process and ultimately final bylaw language the climate emergency declaration is not just a

[0:27:31] Voice 9: throwaway statement or a nod to the issue unrelated to the detailed work of regulations bylaw amendments

[0:27:37] Voice 9: and zoning considerations it is absolutely essential and fundamental to every part of

[0:27:43] Voice 9: the community planning in our times sometimes i worry that the climate emergency just becomes

[0:27:49] Voice 9: one box among several others to check off while focusing on a specific review interest.

[0:27:56] Voice 9: The question that I would ask is what would housing, development, water sustainability,

[0:28:02] Voice 9: DPA, zoning, sort of take your pick, look like given the scope and scale of the climate

[0:28:08] Voice 9: emergency?

[0:28:10] Voice 9: The LTC could signal a commitment to the arc of climate justice and the rights of nature

[0:28:17] Voice 9: if there were a climate emergency APC advisory planning commission in active operation during

[0:28:24] Voice 9: this OCP and LUV project through all the faces and I just wanted to add one more comment that

[0:28:32] Voice 9: wasn't in my brief letter which is for this past year sustainable Gabriel has been doing 12 12 12

[0:28:39] Voice 9: 12 climate cafes and there really have been very informative, very dedicated community

[0:28:48] Voice 9: members that are showing up for different topics every month and all the topics have

[0:28:53] Voice 9: some relevance to the OCP and they will be writing a report that might be of some interest

[0:29:00] Voice 9: to the LTC as they consider the climate emergency in the work of the OCP.

[0:29:07] Voice 9: so thank you very much thank

[0:29:10] Voice 8: you yeah i just want to tell you that your your timing is perfect and

[0:29:15] i don't know if you looked at the executive committee agenda yesterday but in no small

[0:29:20] effort from your trustee toby elliott in fact i think we should contribute to that

[0:29:24] Voice 8: um we compiled

[0:29:26] Voice 8: a list of all the things that have happened or not happened since we declared a climate emergency

[0:29:32] Voice 8: and we're providing a notice of motion

[0:29:36] Voice 8: at the September meeting for a discussion,

[0:29:38] Voice 8: not a notice of motion,

[0:29:40] Voice 8: but a notice of discussion at the December meeting

[0:29:42] Voice 8: to figure out where this council is at

[0:29:45] Voice 8: with respect to that climate emergency declaration

[0:29:49] Voice 8: and identify the work that we've done

[0:29:52] Voice 8: and what sort of questions,

[0:29:54] Voice 8: what could we potentially need to do.

[0:29:57] Voice 8: So that's coming.

[0:29:58] Voice 8: So really appreciate your attention.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: Chair Luckom, I also have a quick comment. First of all, to thank Debra Behrens for attending. It's always nice to see a former trustee at our meeting.

[0:30:11] Voice 9: And just to let you know, Debra, as soon as I got this little sort of layout for our OCP, I immediately noticed that the in-scope portion was missing, climate emergency.

[0:30:24] Voice 9: emergency. So I think it was Renee that I talked to briefly about this. And if it's not already on the agenda, it will be later when we come to this, because my in scope priorities are number one, First Nations engagement, number two, climate emergency, and number three, identification of options for housing related bylaws. So I did not miss that. And thank you so much for pointing that out.

[0:30:51] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:30:53] Voice 9: Yeah, Gavin Coffitt, a resident of Gabriela.

[0:30:56] Voice 9: I'm just wondering what's happening with the Deglan Bay Files as far as file enforcement goes.

[0:31:01] Voice 9: It's been two years.

[0:31:02] Voice 9: I see no adjustment in the Deglan Bay Files.

[0:31:08] Voice 9: Well, I'll invite a person to step on here

[0:31:11] Voice 8: in a moment to advise us,

[0:31:14] Voice 8: really, because that's in their hands.

[0:31:16] Voice 8: And I do know that they're actively working on that.

[0:31:20] Voice 8: and assuming it's in-camera discussion with regards to yeah with trouble with in-camera

[0:31:26] Voice 8: discussions is we can't really discuss them absolutely uh but uh we have received some

[0:31:31] Voice 8: advice and i think that's all i'm going to say because it jeopardizes absolutely the nature of

[0:31:37] Voice 8: in-camera um but it's not a silent file okay um that's for sure and you know salt spring

[0:31:44] spring, Thetis, where I live. It's an ongoing

[0:31:48] Voice 8: issue. I'll just note, actually, and I think

[0:31:50] Voice 8: it was one of your letters, is that indeed, the number of vessels in Denham Bay has increased,

[0:31:56] Voice 8: and that's actually not a coincidence, because, of course, other areas that have greater levels

[0:32:03] Voice 8: of jurisdiction on the water, like

[0:32:05] Voice 8: Nanaimo, have pushed vessels out of their harbor, and

[0:32:09] Voice 8: they end up elsewhere. And I'm not saying Nanaimo's responsible for that, but it happens

[0:32:14] Voice 8: all up and down the coast.

[0:32:15] Voice 8: I'm going to tell you a little story.

[0:32:17] Voice 8: There was a Coast Guard, I monitor Coast Guard,

[0:32:19] Voice 8: I'm a mariner kind of guy,

[0:32:21] Voice 8: so I monitor the Coast Guard reporting sometimes.

[0:32:23] Voice 8: So there was a Coast Guard radio broadcast

[0:32:26] Voice 8: or alert going on a while back,

[0:32:29] Voice 8: a very small boat towing a very large boat

[0:32:34] Voice 8: across Georgia Strait.

[0:32:38] Voice 8: And the Coast Guard intervened and said,

[0:32:40] you shouldn't be doing

[0:32:41] Voice 8: this, this is completely unsafe.

[0:32:43] Voice 8: safe and of course as a mariner also he deserted his rights of free travel um uh molested by the

[0:32:51] Voice 8: authorities and continued on and they could do nothing with that but they monitored him

[0:32:56] Voice 8: and by the time he got to uh polio pass where the currents were active he almost lost the entire

[0:33:04] Voice 8: thing i'm not i'm having a hard time remembering it might be the one that actually blew up on the

[0:33:09] Voice 8: the beach that they had to clean up but the insanity just goes on and um i think the romance

[0:33:17] Voice 8: is a sea i always like to blame for the romance is a sea um lures people into thinking that the

[0:33:23] Voice 8: ocean is a friendly but you want to be cautious of it and respectful of it yeah so

[0:33:29] Voice 8: thank you for

[0:33:30] Voice 8: your writing um but i can't say much more okay no i just want to

[0:33:34] Voice 8: know that it's not

[0:33:34] Voice 6: a sleeping

[0:33:36] Voice 8: file. So I think it was the next person.

[0:33:40] Voice 8: Thanks.

[0:33:41] Voice 9: So my name is Heather H. Pierce. And I have a question about, and some comments

[0:33:47] Voice 9: about agenda number 13.9, the environmental compliance, the STVR statistics, and it's

[0:33:56] Voice 9: with on page 428 of the

[0:34:00] Voice 7: agenda yes um so so the recommendation at the bottom well it's an

[0:34:11] Voice 7: alternative um that

[0:34:14] Voice 9: the trust community rescinds standing resolution so i would just like to say

[0:34:21] Voice 9: i strongly encourage you not to rescind the standing resolution for proactive enforcement

[0:34:28] Voice 9: I would just say two reasons.

[0:34:32] Voice 9: One is under the analysis through the comment that most of the complaints have come from

[0:34:41] Voice 9: two people, two complainants, suggesting maybe not too much concern broadly.

[0:34:48] Voice 9: I personally think there are many reasons why people don't complain.

[0:34:53] Voice 9: And speaking for myself, my reason is that I know there is a proactive enforcement standing

[0:34:59] Voice 9: resolution in place so that's that's I really support it and and I think that's

[0:35:06] Voice 9: the right way to go so I would suggest that there are many reasons why people

[0:35:13] Voice 9: don't complain my second reason is down in the alternatives section where stated

[0:35:20] Voice 9: that there's a considerable amount of staff resources and consideration for

[0:35:25] Voice 9: perhaps that's whether or not it's needed here on Gabriola,

[0:35:30] Voice 9: I'd suggest that I think public education

[0:35:33] Voice 9: is a very effective way of addressing complex issues

[0:35:37] Voice 9: to proactively helping the public learn

[0:35:42] Voice 9: about the situations.

[0:35:45] Voice 9: And so I'm supportive of the bylaw enforcement staff

[0:35:51] Voice 9: using their resources to do public education

[0:35:57] Voice 9: through speaking to people when they find proactively

[0:36:01] Voice 9: that they're advertising an illegal vacation rental.

[0:36:06] Voice 9: So I'd encourage you to maintain the standing resolution

[0:36:10] Voice 9: as it is and not change it.

[0:36:12] Voice 9: Thanks.

[0:36:13] Voice 9: Okay, thank you very much.

[0:36:15] Voice 9: You're welcome.

[0:36:16] Voice 9: I have a comment.

[0:36:17] Voice 9: Just in case you have to leave

[0:36:18] Voice 9: before we get to that part of the agenda.

[0:36:21] Voice 9: I need to make comments on that.

[0:36:24] Voice 9: that. And I want to thank you very much. I mean, I will be

[0:36:29] Voice 9: making on this later when we come to it on the agenda. Thank

[0:36:33] Voice 9: you.

[0:36:36] Voice 9: Yeah, my name is for their home area. regular house on small

[0:36:45] property. I, I hope the comments on both maker would be sort of

[0:36:52] like seeing to the choir, but I feel that I need to say something to this body about

[0:37:01] Voice 9: part of the housing issue that perhaps doesn't get talked about too much, not in my opinion.

[0:37:10] Voice 9: We have a lot of housing issues on this island.

[0:37:12] Voice 9: There's various aspects to it, but what motivated me to come to the meeting today was I had

[0:37:18] Voice 9: listings from the local real estate.

[0:37:20] Voice 9: And what caught my eye was a listing in the Lyons condominium development on Argyle that was listed a few days ago for $449,000 and sold for $479,000, $30,000 over the asking price.

[0:37:45] Voice 9: price and what struck me about that is it should be obvious to anybody who has even a little bit

[0:37:54] Voice 9: of knowledge about real estate is that clearly there's multiple offers if it's going for more

[0:38:00] Voice 9: than asking price which tells me and it should be obvious to all who are interested in this issue

[0:38:07] that there is

[0:38:08] Voice 9: pent-up demand for that

[0:38:10] Voice 8: type of housing.

[0:38:14] Voice 8: And we should be – I'm going to quote my wife here

[0:38:17] Voice 8: because when I shared this information with her today, she said,

[0:38:20] Voice 8: yeah, she said, you know, we have all the technical knowledge

[0:38:24] Voice 8: and ability to solve the issues of water and sewage,

[0:38:29] Voice 9: but we need to move the needle a little bit on the notion

[0:38:33] Voice 9: that seems to dominate discussion at the Islands Trust.

[0:38:38] Voice 9: um about the type of housing that's appropriate for gabriel um there is this long-standing notion

[0:38:45] Voice 9: that i've noted in the 25 years or so that i've been around this island um that the only type of

[0:38:52] Voice 9: housing that's appropriate is single-family housing on small lots and that works to a

[0:38:59] Voice 9: certain degree for certain situations but there are many of us who are getting on in our years

[0:39:05] Voice 9: and experiencing health issues

[0:39:06] Voice 9: and will need to live in some other type of thing

[0:39:10] Voice 9: in the near future.

[0:39:11] Voice 9: And I would hope that,

[0:39:13] Voice 9: and certainly this should be part of the discussion,

[0:39:16] Voice 9: I would definitely raise it

[0:39:18] Voice 9: when we start talking about the OCP.

[0:39:20] Voice 9: But I would hope that we would be aware of that

[0:39:24] Voice 9: and be cognizant of that need.

[0:39:26] Voice 9: And I'm quite well aware

[0:39:27] Voice 9: that one of the people who does live in that building

[0:39:29] Voice 9: is quite well aware

[0:39:30] Voice 9: that the other local trustee

[0:39:32] Voice 9: also lives in some unconventional housing.

[0:39:34] Voice 9: So I probably am talking, I hope I'm talking to the choir, speaking to the choir here, but you know, nevertheless, I think it just needs to be said. So

[0:39:43] Voice 9: that's what I have here today.

[0:39:45] Voice 9: And I won't bring this issue up again. It's

[0:39:47] Voice 8: only one small

[0:39:47] Voice 9: part of the whole housing issue, which is the complex and there are other aspects as well.

[0:39:54] Voice 9: I just thought I would say that.

[0:39:55] Voice 9: Yeah. Well, thank you for that message. That's an important

[0:39:57] Voice 8: point for us to hear, and we certainly hear it, and I'll just say that although when I built my house on Theta Sound, and still today, consider it unconventional, but it is a single-family dwelling, and indeed, I'm part of that problem, I like to think, and so we absolutely need to move forward on that.

[0:40:19] Voice 9: So you can be part of the solution.

[0:40:20] Voice 9: That's it.

[0:40:23] Voice 8: My home is only a thousand square feet.

[0:40:29] Voice 9: I'd like to make a comment. You can be assured that my fellow trustee Toby and I are both really interested in that topic.

[0:40:37] Voice 9: My dream of...

[0:40:43] Voice 9: I'll probably do that before then.

[0:40:46] Voice 9: Okay. Thank you, Bert.

[0:40:47] Voice 8: Anybody else wish to address the local trust committee today?

[0:40:51] Voice 8: and we don't have the ability to bring people online so we'll continue on and thank you for

[0:40:57] Voice 8: your uh thoughts and your kindness and respect appreciate that very much and i'm going to go to

[0:41:03] Voice 8: minutes we've got quite a few here in front of us today we've got the local trust committee

[0:41:07] Voice 8: minutes dated july the 20th that was our last meeting that you've heard of are there any

[0:41:12] Voice 8: changes to those yes um

[0:41:15] Voice 9: thank you chair luckham just a slight but very important change

[0:41:20] Voice 9: on page two under my report about the vancouver appraiser court authority

[0:41:27] Voice 9: announcing their six-month trial right prioritizing the arrival and departure of freighters

[0:41:35] Voice 9: and the phrase that's missing is the most important freighters between 7 a.m and 11 p.m

[0:41:46] Voice 9: that's the reason and and the reason that's important is because that is

[0:41:51] Voice 9: you'll reduce the noise of dropping anchor at night yes

[0:41:55] Voice 8: so

[0:41:56] Voice 9: okay so you want that added to the

[0:41:59] Voice 8: yeah

[0:41:59] Voice 9: just that that

[0:42:00] Voice 8: phrase between

[0:42:01] Voice 9: the word graders and in order it's between 7 a.m and 11

[0:42:08] Voice 9: Okay. So do you have that? Excellent. Okay. Thank you. Anything else?

[0:42:14] Voice 7: Then I'm going to

[0:42:15] Voice 7: then, are you okay, Toby?

[0:42:19] Voice 8: I'm going to take it then that the minutes of July the 20th

[0:42:21] Voice 8: be adopted as amended. And then we have a section 26 resolution with a meeting report

[0:42:29] Voice 8: there from September the 6th, which is those resolutions that we have the ability to conduct

[0:42:35] Voice 8: after that holding meeting and that's there for your information uh at 6.3 we have advisory

[0:42:41] Voice 8: planning commission minutes dated august the 14th and this is for uh for receipt for our information

[0:42:48] Voice 8: are there members of the apc here okay well thank you thank you to you and your colleagues for the

[0:42:56] Voice 8: work in supporting us uh in the work you do

[0:42:59] Voice 9: wait you're welcome sorry i do have a quick comment

[0:43:02] Voice 9: And in fact, it relates to, at the very end, on page 24 of the ABC Minutes, it was a comment from Deborah Ferentz.

[0:43:13] Voice 8: So it's on the next one.

[0:43:14] Voice 8: Oh,

[0:43:14] Voice 9: on the next one. Sorry.

[0:43:15] Voice 9: So

[0:43:16] Voice 8: then that's the August 14th one. We've just received that information.

[0:43:20] Voice 5: So

[0:43:20] Voice 8: the Advisory Planning Commission, the end of September the 29th, which is a continuation of the previous meeting, really.

[0:43:27] Voice 8: And so do you have a comment there?

[0:43:30] Voice 9: yeah different parents noted um that she is uncomfortable with the concept of the advisory

[0:43:36] Voice 9: planning commission being the steering committee for the review and i would actually agree with

[0:43:42] Voice 9: that i don't think that's their job i think that's our um their job is we

[0:43:47] Voice 9: asked them to consider it

[0:43:48] Voice 9: though we did

[0:43:49] Voice 9: yeah that's um and i did agree with that but i don't actually personally agree with

[0:43:55] Voice 9: them having to do things i went along with that because it's not a bad it's a good ask

[0:44:01] Voice 9: but i don't actually feel comfortable i think that's our job and it's their job to act as

[0:44:08] Voice 9: a referral agency i don't think we should be debating what happened in a meeting at which

[0:44:17] Voice 9: we asked them we sent a referral to them to consider and then they had a discussion about

[0:44:22] Voice 9: So when is the time when we will discuss the role of the steering committee or not, is it when you're talking about the minutes or is it when we're talking about these projects?

[0:44:31] Voice 8: I think we should talk about that. Sorry, because I think, um, yeah, I just uh, and we should talk about it later.

[0:44:43] Voice 8: i'm just going to comment that i also noted that comment and i think we do need to be clear about

[0:44:48] Voice 8: the roles and responsibilities of the advisory

[0:44:51] Voice 9: planning commission and um how that can be done

[0:44:55] Voice 9: so let's um talk about that when we get to the cpu

[0:45:04] Voice 9: okay so

[0:45:12] Voice 8: then we'll receive those um so thank you everybody on the agency for

[0:45:16] Voice 8: your work and supporting us so section seven now is a business deriving from the potential owners

[0:45:22] Voice 8: ask renee's that report of september 16th today and

[0:45:27] Voice 9: you can change there and we'll just ask which

[0:45:29] Voice 9: is the question nothing to add to that report or changes so trustees do you have any questions or

[0:45:37] Voice 9: whether any of the items on the follow-up just a really quick one um on the follow-up action list

[0:45:47] Voice 9: in progress

[0:45:49] Voice 9: is that staff

[0:45:52] Voice 9: are to prepare a summer report

[0:45:54] Voice 9: for a future LTC meeting

[0:45:55] Voice 9: on past

[0:45:57] Voice 9: LTC discussions regarding

[0:46:00] Voice 9: the heritage register.

[0:46:03] Voice 9: It's my understanding

[0:46:05] Voice 9: from talking to various people

[0:46:07] Voice 9: in different agencies and ministries

[0:46:09] Voice 9: that

[0:46:10] Voice 9: this could be delayed for some time

[0:46:13] Voice 9: because the Heritage Act

[0:46:15] Voice 9: is being updated.

[0:46:18] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:46:20] Voice 9: And the reason I'm

[0:46:21] Voice 9: asking is because a member of the public just a couple of days ago asked me about this.

[0:46:25] Voice 9: Are we getting anywhere with this?

[0:46:27] Voice 9: And I just feel like it's somehow stalled, but not because of any, not because of one.

[0:46:35] Voice 7: Yeah, there's a, on the legislative monitoring part,

[0:46:39] Voice 8: there's a lot of

[0:46:39] Voice 5: respect to that.

[0:46:41] Voice 8: And, you know, I don't know what our status is, and we could ask the staff what the status is.

[0:46:46] Voice 5: I don't know

[0:46:46] Voice 8: that we're slowing it down or stalling it necessarily, but we need to prioritize it if that's the case.

[0:46:52] Voice 8: and anything that changes in the act would

[0:46:55] Voice 9: become obviously uh law regardless of what we're doing

[0:47:02] Voice 9: yeah let's go with it do you have an update for us on that at all through the chair um this didn't

[0:47:10] Voice 9: have a date action to it um we do have some capacity issues with getting into items um

[0:47:19] Voice 9: that are meatier and require a little bit more research so um because i'm the acting ltc planner

[0:47:27] Voice 9: this one is slowly being chipped away at um the legislation changes are

[0:47:37] Voice 9: yeah i

[0:47:38] Voice 9: would just say i think the timing for this if if we can have this done

[0:47:46] Voice 9: or sort of ready as we go into our OCP review this would actually be useful because a heritage

[0:47:56] Voice 9: register could contemplate or we might want to know the options of whether a heritage register

[0:48:03] Voice 9: will contemplate including Indigenous heritage sites, settler heritage sites, what those overlaps

[0:48:09] Voice 9: and overlays may look like and do we have the jurisdiction like we're really looking at is this

[0:48:14] Voice 9: an appropriate body to hold a heritage register or um is there a different way of working with

[0:48:21] Voice 9: the province on protecting sites of cultural heritage and i think that's germane to our ocp

[0:48:28] Voice 9: review so could we put a timeline so that it's perhaps by next um august or may june august

[0:48:40] Voice 9: summer next year because i think things are developing legislatively and

[0:48:44] Voice 9: but this is going to be an important question actually through the chair um that you can assign

[0:48:52] Voice 9: a priority to that as well um so that would be fine and through the ocp work there can be

[0:48:59] Voice 9: support of all of these that talk about those aspects that can be done sooner than this work

[0:49:07] Voice 9: and still be aligned together. So as this work would come forward in any way, there can be

[0:49:16] Voice 9: policies that already provide support in that

[0:49:20] Voice 5: direction

[0:49:21] Voice 9: for any person. So just to know that

[0:49:27] Voice 9: yes, we can work on that sooner than later and I'll take that from you and policies that are

[0:49:34] Voice 9: to do that if we have this for next spring or late spring i'd be very happy i would be helpful

[0:49:43] Voice 9: i think it's an important issue actually i think the key you know if it is it's just

[0:49:48] Voice 9: good to become a little bit third is obviously let's see there are finite decisions yeah so

[0:49:55] Voice 9: and for me the key question here is i've always assumed that this was only for settler heritage

[0:50:02] Voice 9: heritage. And that could be a totally erroneous assumption. If it had anything to do with

[0:50:08] Voice 9: First Nations heritage, I don't

[0:50:11] Voice 9: feel that it's human in our being with it. So I need

[0:50:16] Voice 9: to know, does this justify to settler heritage, you know, buildings and places? If it does,

[0:50:22] Voice 9: well, that's pretty, seems pretty easy.

[0:50:25] Voice 9: Well, the Heritage Act covers Indigenous cultural heritage, so an MOU would

[0:50:33] Voice 9: potentially just delineate the lines of responsibility and authority and how those

[0:50:38] Voice 9: processes refer to one another. So what we're looking for is option. Do we, Gabriel Island

[0:50:45] Voice 9: LTC, want to hold a heritage register or is it more appropriate to have an MOU, the Heritage

[0:50:51] Voice 9: commission which has a whole different authority with regard to cultural heritage so if there's

[0:51:00] Voice 9: there we're looking for options and to understand the landscape so that we could

[0:51:05] Voice 9: say whether it's appropriate i

[0:51:08] Voice 7: think yeah because i'm just thinking about some of the examples that

[0:51:15] Voice 7: exist within the alps

[0:51:16] Voice 9: trust and a little hold on the currency of those but the heritage registry

[0:51:24] Registry is a

[0:51:25] Voice 9: registry of those physical assets which community thinks needs to be identified.

[0:51:35] Voice 9: And if I'm not mistaken, South Pender, Southerna, and Maine have created heritage registries.

[0:51:44] Voice 5: So

[0:51:44] Voice 9: it's quite possible they don't have a chair.

[0:51:50] Voice 8: But there are some examples, and so we can certainly look at those to determine what

[0:51:56] Voice 8: what the framework looks like in

[0:51:58] Voice 9: our own self-preparation

[0:52:00] Voice 9: during the work that you might ask that.

[0:52:04] Voice 7: OK.

[0:52:05] Voice 5: I guess my bigger goal is to find out.

[0:52:08] Voice 9: Sorry, I think you're right.

[0:52:10] Voice 9: But recall, it is colonial heritage,

[0:52:12] Voice 9: but there may be other aspects to it.

[0:52:15] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:52:16] Voice 9: So I just would say let's investigate

[0:52:18] Voice 9: those connections you've got to have.

[0:52:22] Voice 9: Any other remarks about anything I've said or just recently?

[0:52:26] Voice 9: Just one through the chair.

[0:52:27] Voice 9: So that will help inform this follow-up action item.

[0:52:33] Voice 9: I'm just mindful that to keep it contained to a memo

[0:52:36] Voice 9: and then receive direction should be a project.

[0:52:41] Voice 9: If you want to ask, then maybe there's a question.

[0:52:44] Voice 9: So this discussion does not.

[0:52:46] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:52:48] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:52:49] Voice 9: Anything else on the follow-up actions?

[0:52:52] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:52:52] Voice 9: One more thing.

[0:52:53] Voice 9: The very last item, number 13.

[0:52:55] Voice 9: 13. I think we're going to be getting a verbal update on this with regard to the crown lace for

[0:53:02] Voice 9: aggregate gravel extraction.

[0:53:07] Voice 7: I hope the planning

[0:53:15] Voice 9: manager, you're going to be doing something on

[0:53:18] Voice 9: that later, right? Through the chair. So I have an update for what this follow-up action item is

[0:53:29] Voice 9: is capturing is that the LTC's comments,

[0:53:34] Voice 9: in addition to staff's comments on the zoning,

[0:53:39] Voice 9: the land use information,

[0:53:41] Voice 9: was sent to the Crown for this referral.

[0:53:44] Voice 9: And it was indeed flagged that the land use would be,

[0:53:50] Voice 9: rezoning would be required.

[0:53:52] Voice 9: That was part of the comments sent.

[0:53:55] Voice 9: So that it's sitting with the Crown

[0:53:58] Voice 9: to receive that information to continue the process and that way for approval or not approval

[0:54:05] Voice 9: through their process. So I am really bewildered by that because if they are currently operating

[0:54:12] Voice 9: and have been for a year now under incorrect zoning, like without correct zoning, how can that

[0:54:20] Voice 9: be? How can the Crown have given them that lease in the first place when the zoning is not in place

[0:54:28] Voice 9: and they and

[0:54:29] Voice 7: they started operating like literally a year ago do you have any thoughts

[0:54:38] Voice 7: about that through

[0:54:39] Voice 9: the chair i don't have any further comments to add for the referral but

[0:54:46] Voice 9: perhaps if there's an advocacy letter or comment you'd like to send to through about this referral

[0:54:54] Voice 9: referral in addition to these comments that state it it could recapture the capture the same concern

[0:55:03] Voice 9: PLCC is concerned that they're drug passing on and doing industrial activity on unzoned property

[0:55:11] Voice 9: would that be it yeah that's huge so they have

[0:55:16] Voice 5: to get the Crown lease but they

[0:55:17] Voice 9: still have to

[0:55:17] Voice 9: have the zoning yes so how did that least how would that least issue when they did not have

[0:55:22] Voice 9: this red zone and how can

[0:55:24] Voice 9: that operation continue in without the correct zone thank you for asking

[0:55:30] Voice 9: this question yeah so i am not clear the beyond stress zone jurisdiction has authority over the

[0:55:37] Voice 9: mind and through the chair if the the referral information does state for the applicant that

[0:55:48] Voice 9: they have to comply with the local bylaws that includes the landing spot

[0:55:55] Voice 9: this is

[0:55:56] Voice 9: it doesn't look like a renewal it's renewal of a very very old operation

[0:56:06] Voice 9: from decades ago where the operation was entirely different and the gravel was shipped down to the

[0:56:14] Voice 9: golf course down and barge off everyone and did not go with a thundering truck several times a day

[0:56:21] Voice 9: through two busy neighborhoods and onto the ferry i know because i lived here in the previous

[0:56:28] Voice 9: so

[0:56:29] Voice 8: we have responded to the crown with respect to this permit we would anticipate a response

[0:56:40] Voice 8: to that or some consideration of that or if a permit is issued presumably they would be the

[0:56:48] applicant would be required to meet the

[0:56:51] Voice 9: zoning which means they would have to apply for a

[0:56:55] Voice 9: rezoning through the chair the wording and the referral response was a reasonable application

[0:57:02] Voice 9: application would be required to be complained to. So we would not necessarily hear back

[0:57:10] Voice 9: from the Crown on this referral, but through this process, this information would be housed

[0:57:17] Voice 9: on to the applicant.

[0:57:20] Voice 9: Okay, so how do we monitor that other than through a complaint?

[0:57:25] Voice 9: We can reach out again to request some updates on the application and that could be one avenue to receive information. We don't typically receive follow-up information.

[0:57:43] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:57:44] Voice 9: be treated okay

[0:57:47] Voice 5: okay

[0:57:48] Voice 9: uh well it's clear that it needs to be rezoned but activity is going on

[0:57:55] Voice 9: under what like what authority do they they have to do that right now when they were

[0:58:03] Voice 9: told they had

[0:58:04] Voice 9: to comply with the local land use bylaw who told me it's part of the yeah yeah so it's their

[0:58:11] Voice 9: Is there a complaint? Yes.

[0:58:13] Voice 9: A by-law enforcement complaint?

[0:58:15] Voice 9: Through the Chair to my knowledge, I don't know.

[0:58:18] Voice 9: Well, I have

[0:58:18] Voice 9: certainly received complaints for the

[0:58:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): past several months.

[0:58:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): Do you

[0:58:21] Voice 9: have an open by-law enforcement complaint?

[0:58:24] Voice 9: No, not yet.

[0:58:25] Voice 9: So then we have not received a complaint.

[0:58:27] Voice 9: You might have, but by-law enforcement is not considered important.

[0:58:33] Voice 9: Well, no, it's not up to the public.

[0:58:37] Voice 9: The public has been complaining for several months.

[0:58:39] Voice 9: and you know

[0:58:41] Voice 9: I mean planning manager

[0:58:43] Voice 9: knows how I've been on this

[0:58:45] Voice 9: like months right

[0:58:46] Voice 9: so can the

[0:58:49] Voice 9: LTC file a complaint

[0:58:51] Voice 9: or a notice that

[0:58:53] Voice 9: activity is going on in an area

[0:58:56] Voice 9: that's not

[0:58:56] Voice 9: I would suggest

[0:58:58] Voice 9: that one you

[0:58:59] Voice 9: require with warrants as to whether or not the

[0:59:01] Voice 9: activities it's there

[0:59:02] Voice 9: that's being conducted warrants

[0:59:05] Voice 9: us proactively

[0:59:11] Voice 8: It's not the best practice for the LTC to create a complaint, an open complaint, because

[0:59:18] Voice 8: at the end of the day, we end up having to make a

[0:59:20] Voice 9: decision about it for the board, and

[0:59:23] Voice 9: that fetters our discussion.

[0:59:26] Voice 9: It's just the way it is.

[0:59:30] Voice 9: You're in government, but you can't do anything when another agency is altering that thing,

[0:59:35] Voice 6: so

[0:59:35] Voice 9: it makes sense.

[0:59:36] Voice 9: You have to come with an open mind.

[0:59:38] Voice 9: That's right.

[0:59:40] Voice 9: You're in government, but you can't do anything when another agency is altering that thing,

[0:59:40] Voice 9: That's the only to rely

[0:59:41] Voice 9: on the public to make a complaint when we're aware of the file and it's happening in our own community.

[0:59:49] Voice 9: So I move that the Gabriel Island local test committee ask.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: by law enforcement manager Warren Dingman to

[1:00:05] Voice 9: give us immediate advice on whether we can enforce our land use bylaws regarding GVCL 2023.1.

[1:00:21] Voice 9: Perfect. Do I have a seconder? Second. Any further discussion?

[1:00:31] Voice 9: So I don't think we need to make a motion, and I believe Planning Manager Jamrat already

[1:00:36] Voice 9: has this information, but we need to get an answer from the Ministry of Mines or Crown

[1:00:43] Voice 10: Police.

[1:00:43] Voice 10: We'll find

[1:00:43] Voice 9: a UBCM, so tell me who to talk to.

[1:00:46] Voice 9: Like, right away, on how this can continue, how they issued this against Land Use By-law.

[1:00:54] Voice 9: well

[1:00:54] Voice 10: but they haven't have they issued the permit to

[1:00:57] Voice 9: my knowledge they haven't no but he's been

[1:01:00] Voice 9: operating well that's a legitimate complaint okay no kidding we

[1:01:07] Voice 7: should have had a complaint

[1:01:14] Voice 7: anything else on

[1:01:15] Voice 7: the follow-up back to us

[1:01:16] Voice 9: yeah i just had a question about where we are at with um

[1:01:20] Voice 9: Um, we got that two items, so 20th of April, um, we revisited this request from I think

[1:01:37] Voice 9: March to draft a letter on behalf of the local trust committee to send a name of First Nation

[1:01:42] Voice 9: and other First Nations, uh, expressing an interest in learning how they wish to be involved

[1:01:47] Voice 9: in our official community plan review project.

[1:01:50] Voice 9: The intent of this request was to do it early before we started engagement with our own community, which starts this week.

[1:01:59] Voice 9: And so we've been talking about this since February.

[1:02:03] Voice 9: It was prime importance, and so

[1:02:07] Voice 7: it completed.

[1:02:10] Voice 7: did I haven't

[1:02:14] Voice 9: heard anything is that maybe Narissa has an update with the review through the chair

[1:02:22] Voice 9: Narissa you're online there do you want to provide some verification then yeah

[1:02:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): so in terms of the

[1:02:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): process with that um we had so um the island there was a letter that had gone we were waiting

[1:02:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): on the letter that was going out from the islands trust um generally um and the the process that

[1:02:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): we'd sort of been following was and and this is the same for the other projects as well so this

[1:02:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): includes other projects where we will be we will be connecting with um like the larger larger

[1:03:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): projects um on denman on maine um there's a couple others where we're following up with major

[1:03:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): projects so the the plan was that the letter would go out and then we would

[1:03:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): follow up with those nations after because in that letter it sort of very

[1:03:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): generally identifies that there's major projects relating to OCP and and housing

[1:03:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): in these these communities so the intention was to just to then do a

[1:03:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): follow-up letter now we haven't done that yet and I think we because we've

[1:03:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): had some conversation um well recently with um with uh uh with uh uh trustee um with toby as well

[1:03:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): trustee toby sorry um uh just around some of the um the discussions that are being had with the

[1:03:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): related to that subdivision and so i think there's a bit of an additional process that we need to

[1:03:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): think through in terms of of of that that piece of engagement and what that looks like in turn

[1:04:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): like what the conversation looks like like whether we're looking at um uh sort of a relationship

[1:04:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): building um and and and then approaching the ocp discussion or whether we want to bring in

[1:04:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh you know you know it's it's really about trying to figure out the best way forward here so

[1:04:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we're engaging Robin in that discussion as well.

[1:04:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): So that's sort of where we're at right now.

[1:04:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, I mean, the definitive answer is

[1:04:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): we have not written a letter specifically related to the OCP yet,

[1:04:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): but we are trying to figure out the best approach at this point in time.

[1:04:45] Voice 9: Thank you for reminding me.

[1:04:46] Voice 9: Yes, we've

[1:04:47] Voice 9: talked about this.

[1:04:48] Voice 9: We're going to do a request to appear as a delegation.

[1:04:53] Voice 9: um whenever we can fit on sunday west council's agenda just to do an introduction

[1:05:02] Voice 9: um it's face-to-face connection it's important so i will leave the goodness of our ocp review

[1:05:10] Voice 9: to a later time when they could weigh in on that and there may be so there may be a referral

[1:05:17] Voice 9: fee and this is something we need to talk about later on because the nation has

[1:05:23] Voice 9: has organized um its referral processes in a very consent-based way so um we're now in a position

[1:05:35] Voice 9: of we need to follow their process to obtain engagement and so this letter writing i don't

[1:05:43] Voice 9: think necessarily works the nation has said this is how you can refer matters of importance that

[1:05:50] Voice 9: important to you of interest to us here's our process and we're going to see that with two

[1:05:55] Voice 9: applications later today um so and then so thank you for that um conversation and then number six

[1:06:03] Voice 9: the follow-up on the annual meeting procedures of the protocol agreement um renee this was marked

[1:06:09] Voice 9: as complete um is that just because we've sent a letter of introduction and said we'd like to

[1:06:18] Voice 9: establish the warning group as per the protocol agreement and that's never been okay so so no

[1:06:24] Voice 9: additional communication has gone out we're just this is the one letter that has gone up

[1:06:29] Voice 9: to all all of the nations in the trust area and touching lightly on these um these different

[1:06:37] Voice 9: issues but yeah i think a personal connection is desired and uh i'm going to follow that up

[1:06:45] Voice 5: Thank you for

[1:06:47] Voice 9: the public's benefit, right?

[1:06:50] Voice 8: Each of those letters that have just gone out to their nations has been customized to reflect the local trust committees that are operating or impacting any particular nation's interests have

[1:07:04] Voice 9: been identified.

[1:07:06] Voice 9: So on the OCP where the death was identified, as well as a protocol, revision of the protocol

[1:07:14] Voice 9: agreements the name was identified.

[1:07:15] Voice 9: So it's certainly out there as a topic of discussion, but indeed we need to follow through

[1:07:22] Voice 9: with having that sort of meeting, a delegation with some method to move that forward.

[1:07:29] Voice 9: And I think at this point in time, certainly in Nanaimo is a priority project because we

[1:07:37] Voice 9: are awaiting that anyway we were

[1:07:44] Voice 7: introduced to robin yesterday oh yes so that's good anything

[1:07:50] Voice 7: else on the follow-up action okay we have 11 40. so um can we start off with the application

[1:08:00] we're going to have a break at 11 45 or 12 15. you want to have that great early

[1:08:04] Voice 9: or do you want to

[1:08:06] Voice 9: uh start working through the applications let's start and get through the first one

[1:08:15] Voice 9: and then

[1:08:15] Voice 8: we'll have a break and then we'll come back okay so the first one then is uh gabriella

[1:08:22] Voice 8: development permit 2021.1 center stage holdings our

[1:08:27] Voice 9: planner planner is not here to speak on 8.1

[1:08:33] Voice 9: okay because she was i'd say that's completely fair um so i think

[1:08:40] Voice 8: she heard with that said then

[1:08:45] Voice 8: um do you want to jump to the bc 31 continue to find a little way to date or yeah

[1:08:50] Voice 9: sure okay and

[1:08:52] Voice 9: uh are you able to speak to the bc 31 well is the applicant available as well i know they were

[1:08:59] Voice 9: going to be online. Maybe we should just take a break. Maybe

[1:09:05] Voice 8: we're just going to take a break.

[1:09:06] Voice 9: Just keep with the agenda since everybody's keeping up. Although,

[1:09:10] Voice 8: you know, I'll say that

[1:09:12] Voice 8: we've responsibly crowned the gravel pit referrals on our list verbal update. I think we've had that.

[1:09:19] Voice 8: Yes.

[1:09:21] Voice 9: I just want to see if I've covered everything in that room.

[1:09:26] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:09:31] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:09:32] Voice 7: I'm just going to...

[1:09:33] Voice 9: Good.

[1:09:34] Voice 9: We're covering that right now.

[1:09:35] Voice 9: Oh, sure.

[1:09:36] Voice 9: So it is currently resourced, zoned as resourced.

[1:09:40] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:09:41] Voice 9: It is not zoned as a ground.

[1:09:44] Voice 9: So what is resourced?

[1:09:46] Voice 9: What's the definition of resourced?

[1:09:47] Voice 9: Well, it has to have a different zoning if it is to be operating as a ground because

[1:09:51] Voice 9: because bruce belcher told them

[1:09:55] Voice 5: who's built the

[1:09:56] Voice 9: clients are conditioned with the obstacles

[1:09:59] Voice 9: he's the one who deals with all of the crowning street referrals so he's very familiar with this

[1:10:05] Voice 8: and the court he's saying it's a gravel pit is not fit within the definition of resort and then your

[1:10:12] Voice 9: ocp is a reasonable resource to find in that context i don't think so through the chair um

[1:10:23] Voice 9: planning staff to do an analysis as they normally do for these referrals

[1:10:27] Voice 9: to make see if how the land use is compliant if you want to make it

[1:10:31] Voice 9: that was part of the fact is that it was okay okay for the proposed use

[1:10:40] Voice 9: and one more comment i am very appreciative of planning manager jamerant's ability to get

[1:10:51] Voice 9: a longer referral period out of that one because originally it came through just a little notice

[1:10:56] Voice 9: in the newspaper you had 30 days to respond and i noticed that and i thought

[1:11:01] Voice 9: and meanwhile i had complaints published and um that 30 days doesn't even give us time to meet as

[1:11:10] Voice 9: a committee meeting because we only meet every one of them so and so i know you were able to

[1:11:16] Voice 9: get 60 days on that one which is great but we are need we are going to need to ask for a 60-day

[1:11:23] Voice 9: referral period for all of these and i don't know whether i need to make a motion to that effect

[1:11:30] Voice 9: or whether we can just ask for that i don't know how many of the other local trust committees

[1:11:36] Voice 9: unless they meet way more often than we do how they are able to get through their

[1:11:43] Voice 9: in 30 days well i think we don't get it very often okay yeah the only one that i know of in my area

[1:11:54] Voice 9: page one well all the more reason to ask because it's not such a big deal if they don't get that

[1:12:00] Voice 9: means um do we need a motion for that well

[1:12:02] Voice 8: let me just ask the regional planner manager

[1:12:06] Voice 8: it strikes me that that might be a standing resolution we could automatically

[1:12:11] Voice 9: ask for

[1:12:12] Voice 9: an extension if there's if it's apparent that there's insufficient time to 60 days

[1:12:20] Voice 9: there's a normal practice is that possible through the chair that would be some good direction

[1:12:25] Voice 9: and we have asked what we were giving that direction to seek an extension

[1:12:32] Voice 9: and feedback you received from the referral agency when they don't normally give an extension.

[1:12:39] Voice 9: So what we'll do is share that information with the LTC as soon as we get it, so that

[1:12:47] Voice 9: responsiveness will happen.

[1:12:48] Voice 9: That way, if there is something

[1:12:50] Voice 9: that's important, an important referral that comes up that you

[1:12:53] Voice 9: definitely want to respond to, need a longer time frame, that standing resolution will

[1:12:58] Voice 9: out of some direction to say we do some more time and make that request so

[1:13:04] Voice 8: you know rather than

[1:13:06] Voice 8: certainly we can take an emotion now but rather than leaping to a motion that's a standing

[1:13:10] Voice 8: resolution i think it might be helpful unless renee is prepared to provide that answer is to

[1:13:15] Voice 8: ask staff for advice understanding the solution from respect to extending a referral period to

[1:13:21] Voice 8: 60 days and then you could bring back some appropriate

[1:13:24] Voice 9: language to us for proper motion

[1:13:26] Voice 9: with the general that would be very helpful thank you and part of my reason for saying that 30 days

[1:13:32] Voice 9: is not i'm not it's not because i can't get to it no it's because i was getting comments from

[1:13:37] Voice 9: the public in those two neighborhoods that they had only just heard about it they had read it

[1:13:43] Voice 9: and then you know so they hadn't had time to make any comments thank you

[1:13:52] Voice 7: so do you want to

[1:13:53] Voice 7: make a motion to

[1:13:54] Voice 9: request staff to yes i move

[1:13:56] Voice 9: that give you a local committee request staff to um

[1:14:02] Voice 9: give us some advice on a standing resolution regarding 60-day referral periods for

[1:14:12] Voice 7: So probably great for us.

[1:14:14] Voice 7: Okay, good.

[1:14:21] Voice 7: Seconding that.

[1:14:23] Voice 7: Seconded.

[1:14:24] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[1:14:26] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:14:28] Well, everybody, excellent.

[1:14:30] Well, let's call a break on that

[1:14:33] because I assume at this point we've taken 8.3 off the list.

[1:14:37] I'm happy about that.

[1:14:38] I'm pointing off the list.

[1:14:40] We will return at, it

[1:14:43] Voice 9: looks like, 12.15.

[1:14:47] Voice 9: Well, this is our last break.

[1:14:48] Voice 9: Last break.

[1:14:49] Voice 9: yeah that's what i'm going to think if the applicant attending for do you know yeah

[1:14:53] Voice 9: i believe the applicant they would attend

[1:15:03] Voice 9: okay so let's have a break

[1:15:06] Voice 8: thank you everybody for joining us um and um we'll be reaching meeting

[1:15:11] Voice 8: and what they're deeming to

[1:15:12] Voice 7: be the application of the project.

[1:15:14] Voice 7: No problem.

[1:15:20] Voice 7: We have to make sure that it's

[1:15:22] Voice 9: one of the three things.

[1:15:25] Voice 9: People blame the RDN report, which

[1:15:27] Voice 5: is so, like,

[1:15:29] Voice 9: the Ministry of Information, and then we can divide it,

[1:15:33] Voice 9: so why do we

[1:15:35] Voice 9: have to put all of our concrete sites

[1:15:37] Voice 7: for the entire RDN?

[1:43:02] Voice 7: Welcome back, everybody, to

[1:43:03] Voice 9: the LDC meeting here, September 14th, and my name is Peter

[1:43:11] Voice 9: Lockham, chair of LDC here, and we've got Susan Hayes and Susan Elliott, both elected

[1:43:18] Voice 9: on the general talks today, and continued with the staff to support us.

[1:43:21] Voice 9: we've conducted

[1:43:22] Voice 8: some administrative work this morning and had some good discussions

[1:43:27] Voice 8: and uh i just want to again state i'm very grateful to be here working in kosio's territory

[1:43:33] Voice 8: which is specifically that of the same name we

[1:43:36] Voice 8: are at applications referrals which is section

[1:43:40] Voice 8: eight of the agenda and page 33 you have gabriela development 2021.1 center stage holdings um and

[1:43:52] Voice 8: have a staff report ahead of us and i do the applicants in the audience thank you for joining

[1:43:56] Voice 8: today and um coming to staff to uh present the report we provide the applicant the opportunity

[1:44:04] Voice 8: to speak to the recommendation that's in the report and then we'll have a conversation at

[1:44:10] Voice 8: this table we may have some questions for the applicant and the staff so i'm super nice thank

[1:44:15] Voice 9: you for joining

[1:44:16] Voice 8: us thank you

[1:44:17] Voice 9: so much so this is the report that was on your last agenda package

[1:44:21] Voice 9: So there's no changes, which unfortunately we should have removed recommendation number

[1:44:27] Voice 9: two because we did actually pass that recommendation so we could have updated that in that way.

[1:44:32] Voice 9: And we did correct one error in the staff report that was in the July package regarding

[1:44:36] Voice 9: the maximum number of lots of this property could potentially have if it were to be subdivided

[1:44:43] Voice 9: under the current zoning.

[1:44:44] Voice 9: So it's that number's been corrected to reflect that it's actually 14.

[1:44:48] Voice 9: other than that there's no new information being provided the ltc requested this being deferred

[1:44:52] Voice 9: for future discussions so here we are today happy to answer any questions that you have

[1:44:58] Voice 9: we're recommending issuance of the development premise okay excellent thank you very much sonja

[1:45:04] Voice 9: and so let's turn to the applicant

[1:45:06] Voice 8: and ask you if you have any um

[1:45:09] Voice 8: you concur with the recommendations that are in the report additional information that you'd like

[1:45:13] Voice 8: to offer no not at

[1:45:15] Voice 8: this time yeah okay super so thank you very much thank you for joining us again

[1:45:22] Voice 8: um so trustees um here we are um

[1:45:25] Voice 8: with this report the second time

[1:45:27] Voice 9: around and the recommendations

[1:45:29] Voice 9: um

[1:45:29] Voice 8: yeah i will just say i think that uh what's indicated in our report is that the applicant

[1:45:39] Voice 8: is meeting the requirements the development permit and um there's a certain obligation to

[1:45:47] Voice 9: issue that permit. So let us see where you're at today. Do you have any questions with that, or do we have any special issues with the permit?

[1:45:55] Voice 9: I have a question. So what triggered this development permit application? Was it logging in 2020?

[1:46:06] Voice 9: Originally, we received an application for subdivision under a layout that is not currently being contemplated any further.

[1:46:18] Voice 9: So we indicated in our subdivision referral response to the Ministry of Translocation

[1:46:23] Voice 9: and Infrastructure that a development permit was required for this deep-slope development

[1:46:28] Voice 9: permit area because they initiated an application for subdivision.

[1:46:32] Voice 9: That application is now closed, so it's not proceeding with that layout.

[1:46:37] Voice 9: So the applicant has come back to request a development permit regardless of the subdivision

[1:46:42] Voice 9: to do pre-removal specifically.

[1:46:46] Voice 9: The previous one was for some division.

[1:46:48] Voice 9: This is for pre-removal.

[1:46:50] Voice 9: So the applicant was advised

[1:46:52] Voice 9: to submit a separate application

[1:46:55] Voice 9: for that and that's when

[1:46:56] Voice 9: the supporting documents were issued.

[1:46:59] Voice 9: But my question is,

[1:47:01] Voice 9: was it triggered because

[1:47:02] Voice 9: there was already logging taking place

[1:47:05] Voice 9: and, in the name of First Nation,

[1:47:07] Voice 9: wrote a letter saying they were concerned

[1:47:09] Voice 9: that there is evidence of disturbance

[1:47:12] Voice 9: and that they would like all development to stop until they have secured the covenant areas with the app.

[1:47:19] Voice 9: That was

[1:47:20] Voice 9: when EP was initiated as part of the sub-division application in 2020.

[1:47:26] Voice 7: So

[1:47:29] Voice 9: subsequent to 2020, there was then a letter from Sunay Mokchikwaz, 21,

[1:47:36] Voice 9: and then this LTC wrote a letter back in response to the sub-division referral from Bo-Team

[1:47:43] Voice 9: stating that the ltc could not support approval of the proposed subdivision until and unless and

[1:47:54] Voice 9: until the interests and concerns of the sunama first nation are addressed and they have given

[1:47:59] Voice 9: their consent that was related to the separation yeah so i do understand that we're not talking

[1:48:07] Voice 9: about subdivision but the larger question of the covenant areas that really are at the core

[1:48:16] Voice 9: of cinema's concerns are still with the ministry and according to the applicant there has been a

[1:48:24] Voice 9: new archaeological assessment newish chief wise has written in his letter of 2021 that the park

[1:48:35] Voice 9: assessment uh that had been done was inadequate and they were you know wanted to see a new one

[1:48:45] Voice 10: so

[1:48:46] Voice 9: that's all pending that covenant area is still pending with the profits and i understand that we

[1:48:55] Voice 9: can't weigh in on that process we don't nothing apparently to do with it at all but it's very

[1:49:03] Voice 9: clear from the maps that the geotech areas that are mapped, especially Silk B, this forest

[1:49:11] Voice 9: dam B, directly overlays with the really sensitive areas that have been identified for protection

[1:49:22] Voice 9: and that are still apparently, as the name of is not in agreement, that those areas have

[1:49:31] Voice 9: been defined as protected under covenant

[1:49:33] Voice 10: so

[1:49:34] Voice 9: the map overlays with burial cairns i've seen all the

[1:49:39] Voice 9: letters that i believe sinema could have written from 2005 up to 2021 and their objections are

[1:49:50] Voice 9: consistent in that until protection of these cultural heritage sites is assured they do not

[1:50:03] Voice 9: consent to any development and that's been fire locked and my question to this ltd is do you

[1:50:11] Voice 9: support a the letter from the previous ltd which i

[1:50:17] Voice 9: know you have seen we

[1:50:19] Voice 7: have it to nikki schneider

[1:50:22] Voice 7: and our referral response

[1:50:28] Voice 9: wrote that we are aware of the concerns expressed regarding this

[1:50:34] Voice 9: particular application by the samantha first nation it acknowledges our reconciliation

[1:50:38] Voice 9: declaration and admit that our commitment has evolved the way that the trust views land use

[1:50:46] Voice 9: decisions. So the name of First Nation is a strong nation that says we use consent-based

[1:50:56] Voice 9: process. It is not enough to consult. It's important that you have consent before you do

[1:51:07] Voice 9: do anything. And they have laid out very clearly their referral process, which in a further

[1:51:13] Voice 9: application, BZ Ferries, has followed. And we'll see what that referral process looks

[1:51:18] Voice 9: like. Laid out very clearly by the lands trust or the lands clerk, Desiree Thomas. So their

[1:51:26] Voice 9: process is clear. Our process is not. And our process is purporting to put the development

[1:51:36] Voice 9: permit ahead of these provincial agreements to secure covenanted areas of extremely sensitive

[1:51:45] Voice 9: cultural heritage that have not been agreed upon or signed yet. And until we see that sign off from

[1:51:52] Voice 9: the province that those areas are secure, I would not be comfortable moving ahead with this

[1:51:58] Voice 9: application.

[1:52:01] Voice 7: Not comfortable. I would

[1:52:04] Voice 9: not agree to

[1:52:06] Voice 7: advance this application. I would prefer

[1:52:09] Voice 7: defer that, we

[1:52:09] Voice 7: defer it until that security is obtained.

[1:52:18] Voice 7: I'd like to ask a question.

[1:52:19] Voice 7: How is it that this covenant on archaeological

[1:52:36] Voice 9: site,

[1:52:39] Voice 9: hypothetically, archaeological site, potential covenant,

[1:52:43] Voice 9: which I don't know very much about in this particular case,

[1:52:48] Voice 9: archaeological sites are protected

[1:52:49] Voice 9: by a potential statute .

[1:52:53] Voice 7: What effect would the covenant have

[1:52:59] Voice 7: would further protect those um

[1:53:02] Voice 9: and how does that interact with our development permitting

[1:53:07] Voice 7: development

[1:53:08] Voice 9: permitting process so the covenant future covenants for the arc sites

[1:53:18] Voice 9: under our referral response to moti the ministry of transportation we had suggested

[1:53:22] Voice 9: a generous conference be included as part of the covenant areas and that

[1:53:28] Voice 9: that distance be

[1:53:29] Voice 9: the determined consultation with the First Nations

[1:53:32] Voice 9: and the applicant, because we're not the experts,

[1:53:35] Voice 9: we have nothing in our land use by law

[1:53:36] Voice 9: that stipulates what that should look like

[1:53:38] Voice 9: and the province is squarely responsible

[1:53:40] Voice 9: for the protection of those sites.

[1:53:43] Voice 9: But we understood in conversations with the nation

[1:53:46] Voice 9: that that would be one significant approach

[1:53:50] Voice 9: to ensure that there's buffers around the recorded sites

[1:53:54] Voice 9: that restrict future property owners

[1:53:57] Voice 9: if the subdivision were to be

[1:53:59] Voice 9: completed from undertaking activities that could not necessarily impact the site itself but have

[1:54:07] Voice 9: detrimental impact on access to the site for other factors so that the covenant would be able to

[1:54:14] Voice 9: allow for a larger area perhaps to be protected on top of the recorded park sites already existing

[1:54:21] Voice 9: layer of protection through the provincial legislation um the covenant is also a tool

[1:54:29] Voice 9: it's a restrictive covenant in nature so in British Columbia we can use these restrictive

[1:54:33] Voice 9: covenants to also impose other obligations on future property owners that perhaps the heritage

[1:54:41] Voice 10: branch may not

[1:54:43] Voice 9: be able to under their own legislation so it could add an extra layer of

[1:54:47] Voice 9: protection so at the time of some division we anticipate that that covenant covenants

[1:54:54] Voice 9: would be more robust than the existing level of protection that's afforded to any archaeological

[1:55:00] Voice 9: recorded site under the

[1:55:04] Voice 9: current legislation. So that hasn't been finalized because that

[1:55:09] Voice 9: subdivision layout is pending. The number of lots, the location, access, driveway, septic,

[1:55:17] Voice 9: wells all those details are now back to the applicant to provide clarification and a referral

[1:55:26] Voice 9: to us to provide comment back to the province so that's my understanding of how those covenants

[1:55:33] Voice 9: will eventually work is that they work they're registered on title they run with the land

[1:55:38] Voice 9: any future land owners then have a clear sense of not just um you

[1:55:45] Voice 9: know if there if those lots are

[1:55:49] Voice 9: encumber with and they are able to be purchased in the future as these simple lots then that

[1:55:56] Voice 9: information would be well established at the time of purchase what the limitations are for

[1:56:01] Voice 9: development on the property having said that we understand that the applicant is working to ensure

[1:56:05] Voice 9: that all the known and recorded archaeological sites will hopefully be contained within one

[1:56:12] Voice 9: parcel to reduce that risk of further fragmenting those recorded sites across multiple titles

[1:56:22] Voice 9: because they do have up to 14 lots subdivision potential for that property so you think all the

[1:56:29] Voice 9: known park sites recorded sites that we have about unknown um which are still an issue of concern

[1:56:37] Voice 9: are important so the applicant's most recent archaeological impact assessment that was

[1:56:47] Voice 9: submitted to the province indicated that there were no new additional sites that needed to be

[1:56:56] Voice 9: uploaded to the database of sites so that's the potentially the information that

[1:57:04] Voice 9: trustee elliott's referring to in terms of some discrepancies and that's to do with the province

[1:57:09] Voice 9: accepting that report and the findings within that report and the nation's conversations we

[1:57:15] Voice 9: don't have anything to do with that particular process

[1:57:19] Voice 10: so

[1:57:20] Voice 9: i can't speak to the validity of the

[1:57:24] Voice 9: data that the promise will have to consider at this time your development permit application

[1:57:30] Voice 9: guidelines do not take into account any of these factors. We're discussing matters that are completely outside the scope of the DPA, but I understand how it would work.

[1:57:41] Voice 9: But do you understand how the layers are literally one on top of one another?

[1:57:46] Voice 9: And so in the geotechnical report, which was just from May, where they divided up into seven slope areas,

[1:57:53] Voice 9: areas and slope area B is very small and 175 trees are proposed to be taken from that area and that

[1:58:00] Voice 9: is the exact area where six or seven significant cairns burial caves and the significant Arc sites

[1:58:10] Voice 9: the nation has said repeatedly there is nothing that is more important to us than the protection

[1:58:15] Voice 9: of those specific sites is in that very small band that your geotechnical reports say 175 trees can

[1:58:24] Voice 9: be taken down somehow safely without causing slope instability and we're made to believe that somehow

[1:58:31] Voice 9: the arc sites are going to be protected when the nation has very specifically said

[1:58:36] Voice 9: we want to be alerted two weeks in advance before any development happens so that we can have

[1:58:41] Voice 9: somebody from our nation on hand

[1:58:43] Voice 9: to supervise that's right and if they require a heritage

[1:58:47] Voice 9: alterations permit because they would be working within those sites then the applicant and the

[1:58:51] Voice 9: geotech were well aware that that would be the case that there's been no indication that they

[1:58:56] Voice 9: would be removing any vegetation within or directly adjacent to those sites and that's

[1:59:02] Voice 9: referenced in the staff report is that if that were to be the case yes that triggers the provincial

[1:59:07] Voice 9: process of which there might be numerous requirements that the applicant has to meet,

[1:59:12] Voice 9: including having an on-site archaeologist or monitor, but that's not the case. Based on this

[1:59:21] Voice 9: application, there's no indication that there would be any trespass into those recorded site

[1:59:27] Voice 9: boundaries for the purpose of treatment. So stand tight fee that sites 175 trees are somehow not

[1:59:35] Voice 9: not going to disturb the arc sites what is the assurance uh so as anywhere on the verula island

[1:59:44] Voice 9: the assurance is with the homeowners and the property owners conducting the work to abide by

[1:59:50] Voice 9: the provincial legislation and if they are going to go into those areas that they do have to apply

[1:59:54] Voice 9: for heritage alteration so it is up to the applicant's word that

[1:59:59] Voice 9: The

[2:00:00] Voice 9: they will go to their due diligence that's the way the whole thing is operating okay and so what

[2:00:05] Voice 9: we've been told and what and my understanding is that the nation keeps saying don't do any

[2:00:13] Voice 9: development until we secure these areas and so all i'm suggesting to this ltc is we cannot approve

[2:00:20] Voice 9: any development because the higher authority needs to be satisfied in terms of securing the

[2:00:28] Voice 9: covenant areas. There's just no way to get around it. So I don't

[2:00:35] Voice 9: know if this is helpful or not. At the time of rezoning in 2005,

[2:00:40] Voice 9: there was approval of rezoning and the density for that lot in

[2:00:46] Voice 9: excess of the 14 lots that are currently outstanding. And the

[2:00:52] Voice 9: entire political understanding was that the subdivision

[2:00:56] Voice 9: application was the point in time in which this level of

[2:00:59] Voice 9: detail was going to be dealt with they deferred all that to that stage and unfortunately that

[2:01:06] Voice 9: stage is now and it wasn't concurrent with the rezoning and in some cases that means we have

[2:01:12] Voice 9: an opportunity for a better final subdivision layout because so much has changed in that time

[2:01:18] Voice 9: so the subdivision application is not even on our table or on our application list and that

[2:01:29] Voice 9: And that is, we know that's coming back to us, and that is the point in time in which there is so much more robust analysis in what needs to happen to the layout of those lots, and the servicing of those lots, and the placement of those dwellings.

[2:01:49] Voice 9: um so in the interim your development permit area is what it is there's one guideline that

[2:01:57] Voice 9: any property owner on gabriola has to adhere to in order to have that permit issued and the

[2:02:03] Voice 9: subdivision process is complex very detail oriented and specifically catered to ensuring

[2:02:11] Voice 9: that the interagency cooperation happens including first nations being involved at the provincial

[2:02:18] Voice 9: level and as part of our referral process to hopefully have the best final outcome for

[2:02:28] Voice 9: that particular park in its future, which has been decided through a rezoning application

[2:02:32] Voice 9: that was approved by an LTC multiple years ago.

[2:02:40] Voice 9: So, but as this LTC has written, the conditions have changed and the Declaration Act that

[2:02:48] Voice 9: has come into law and our own reconciliation declaration have changed the conditions under

[2:02:54] Voice 9: which we do planning and the very recent decision by the james island provincial approving officer

[2:03:04] Voice 9: which is in the north pender ltc declared for the first time that indigenous rights and title

[2:03:12] Voice 9: and core concerns and their interests must be considered not in our referral process and in our

[2:03:22] Voice 9: permitting structure but as a higher order

[2:03:26] Voice 10: many

[2:03:27] Voice 9: magnitudes higher of of of importance and that

[2:03:31] Voice 9: ltc wrote of its objections and that was considered in the decision which ultimately rejected the

[2:03:38] Voice 9: subdivision that would have seen an island during the 79 party lots like all the course so i

[2:03:48] Voice 9: understand we're not talking about that subdivision right now but my question the applicant is why um

[2:03:55] Voice 9: why do you need to do tree removal right now when you don't have subdivision plans

[2:04:00] Voice 9: to present we don't need to do tree removal right now our intention is to as always

[2:04:09] Voice 9: is very carefully, very thoughtfully, if we have to remove any trees, that's what we will do

[2:04:19] Voice 9: within the bounds of all the guidelines and our conscientious behavior. And there are, we

[2:04:32] Voice 9: we're in constant contact with skin in them, weekly.

[2:04:37] Voice 9: That's not what you said last time.

[2:04:39] Voice 9: Pardon?

[2:04:40] Voice 9: That's not what you said last meeting.

[2:04:42] Voice 9: What did I say last?

[2:04:43] Voice 9: You said that they've been very difficult and you've only been able to get a hold of one person.

[2:04:48] Voice 9: Yes.

[2:04:48] Voice 9: Earl Manson.

[2:04:51] Voice 9: Earl Manson is the one who was on site

[2:04:54] Voice 9: for this last day

[2:04:56] Voice 9: I knew that we did extensively over the whole property.

[2:05:02] Voice 9: He was the overseer and representative for your T-shirts group there.

[2:05:10] Voice 9: and uh he he his actual comment was i don't understand why we're doing this

[2:05:20] Voice 9: so nothing was found the holes were done with an excavator so it went far beyond

[2:05:28] Voice 9: what we needed to do the report has been approved by arcula of the archaeological people in

[2:05:39] Voice 9: Victoria. And this we're doing because we're required to get the steep slopes from then.

[2:05:51] Voice 9: And these numbers are outside numbers, the same as the numbers, it's the same company

[2:05:59] Voice 9: that you use for the 707. So we use the same company because that's the trust approved

[2:06:06] Voice 9: approved company, so we assume, so we've led to the expense of using the same company.

[2:06:12] Voice 9: These are outside numbers, possible outside numbers.

[2:06:17] Voice 9: We have really no idea how many trees that we're going to take down or not take down.

[2:06:25] Voice 9: That's a myth, and we have never lawed the property.

[2:06:32] Voice 9: There's no commercial trees on our property.

[2:06:39] Voice 9: Our property was logged twice before we received it, and there's nothing to log on our property.

[2:06:48] Voice 9: Yes, there's trees to take down, but it's not like the logging operation that took place on...

[2:06:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): So

[2:06:55] Voice 9: you're clarifying that taking down trees is not logging? Is that what you're saying?

[2:06:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): Did you

[2:06:59] Voice 9: roll your eyes at me?

[2:07:01] Voice 9: No, I'm asking.

[2:07:01] Voice 6: I

[2:07:02] Voice 9: believe you just rolled your eyes at me, and I

[2:07:04] Voice 9: don't appreciate it.

[2:07:05] Voice 9: This is very intimidating.

[2:07:06] Voice 9: this is very intimidating i

[2:07:10] Voice 8: i understand i can

[2:07:12] Voice 8: right so that how we are responding

[2:07:15] Voice 8: is affecting you okay but let's just take a breath and try

[2:07:21] Voice 7: to be objective and um i'm not sure that

[2:07:28] Voice 7: the line of inquiry here is actually

[2:07:33] Voice 8: supporting the decision that's on the table i would quite

[2:07:38] Voice 8: quite frankly, like to avoid the word subdivision because subdivision is not on the table today.

[2:07:46] Voice 9: So could we talk about unauthorized works, including the disturbance of sustainable artifacts?

[2:07:53] Voice 9: Sure.

[2:07:53] Voice 8: But yeah, the potential to

[2:07:58] Voice 9: that discussion exists. I'm collecting my thoughts here.

[2:08:03] Voice 9: Because the other thing I

[2:08:05] Voice 8: didn't want to talk about is the James Island subdivision. That

[2:08:09] Voice 8: That decision and the report from the approving officer

[2:08:12] Voice 8: was about a subdivision, not a development.

[2:08:16] Voice 8: And so we can't mix these things up.

[2:08:18] Voice 8: We have to be focused and clear

[2:08:21] because this is a delicate matter

[2:08:22] of which absolutely

[2:08:25] Voice 8: the potential,

[2:08:27] Voice 8: you know, I'm totally in support of

[2:08:29] Voice 8: Sanemo First Nations rights and title,

[2:08:32] Voice 8: their history here,

[2:08:34] Voice 8: and absolutely don't want to see

[2:08:36] Voice 8: an archeological site disturbed.

[2:08:38] Voice 8: I am prepared to believe that the property owner also doesn't want to do that right and that's

[2:08:46] Voice 8: certainly obvious in work that has happened up to this point with respect to the communication

[2:08:51] Voice 8: with the art branch and the covenant and all this kind of stuff because what I don't think

[2:08:55] Voice 8: that's on the table here today either the applicant right or wrong from the lens today

[2:09:03] Voice 8: today on where we're at with wanting to acknowledge and work with First Nations is within their

[2:09:12] Voice 8: rights to apply for development fairs, regardless of what is their ultimate intentions are.

[2:09:18] Voice 8: And they provided us with the reporting that's necessary to support that.

[2:09:24] Voice 8: I have some additional thoughts here as we advance through this, but at the moment, I

[2:09:29] Voice 8: just want to focus on what our authority is.

[2:09:32] Voice 8: is. And I won't disagree, really, Toby, that I'm just as uncomfortable with advancing this

[2:09:41] Voice 8: without the Synonym of First Nations supporting it, but it's not supported

[2:09:46] Voice 9: in our legislation,

[2:09:47] Voice 9: if I'm not mistaken. And so let's focus on

[2:09:52] Voice 8: these two areas, B and D, and I really thank you for

[2:09:56] Voice 8: identifying for me and clarifying that area B is a particular location where it's much more

[2:10:01] Voice 8: problem and obviously that conversation has been had with the earthquake and i just want to be

[2:10:07] Voice 8: you don't want to be spell this out black and white mostly the covenant is with the

[2:10:11] Voice 8: arc branch it's not with us is that

[2:10:14] Voice 9: correct it will be after the subdivision process

[2:10:23] Voice 9: currently the local trust committee has covenant registered on title that's why the rezoning

[2:10:28] Voice 9: act would be able to be adopted so that there was certainty that this piece wouldn't be forgotten

[2:10:36] Voice 9: once they got to the test stage so this

[2:10:42] Voice 9: is uh yes this is intended to be addressed at that point in

[2:10:49] Voice 9: time and your legislation currently is as much as no one wants to hear the word administrative

[2:10:55] Voice 9: in nature that's exactly what the development permit area is very limiting very narrow focus

[2:11:03] Voice 9: that any property owner and gate ruler could apply for if they fall within its boundaries

[2:11:08] Voice 9: with no discussion about rationale no discussion about anything outside of the guideline

[2:11:13] Voice 9: which is a geotext assurance that the slope stability will not pose any risks

[2:11:18] Voice 9: to future development so that's why you passed a resolution recommending that there's the

[2:11:25] Voice 9: added to your project list because it is a hopefully inadequate development that doesn't

[2:11:31] Voice 9: say that the rest of them are any better but there's a broader land use planning lens that

[2:11:37] Voice 9: we know needs to be applied across the whole island so that it doesn't just focus on individual

[2:11:42] Voice 9: properties as applications come forward so

[2:11:47] Voice 8: you know this is a i'm not trying to make any excuses

[2:11:51] Voice 8: is there anything at all except as you pointed out so woefully but that's what we've got and

[2:11:59] Voice 8: that could have should have been dealt with a long time ago and even the development approval

[2:12:04] Voice 8: information by law we don't have and that would have brought us greater ability to ask the

[2:12:10] applicant to

[2:12:10] Voice 8: do more than they have done and what they have done

[2:12:14] Voice 7: meets the requirements of the

[2:12:15] Voice 7: development career requirements. So I also just for clarity the

[2:12:26] Voice 8: regulations and the law associated

[2:12:29] Voice 8: with the archaeological brand and the disturbance of archaeological sites is absolutely clear.

[2:12:36] Voice 8: If you mess with it you're going to be in big trouble and I think you know that and I certainly

[2:12:41] Voice 8: know that you don't want to do that because obviously that would compromise any future

[2:12:46] Voice 8: your interest in some

[2:12:48] Voice 8: nations.

[2:12:49] Voice 9: We don't want to do it because

[2:12:51] Voice 9: we respect the sites. Absolutely.

[2:12:54] Voice 9: Right? I'm a First

[2:12:56] Voice 9: Nation consultant.

[2:12:57] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm not questioning

[2:12:59] Voice 9: them at all.

[2:13:01] Voice 9: I

[2:13:02] Voice 8: want to believe, I will

[2:13:03] Voice 8: believe, I do believe that you will do

[2:13:05] the right thing because of

[2:13:08] Voice 8: simply having this conversation. And I'm just

[2:13:10] Voice 8: wanting to be clear that all

[2:13:12] Voice 8: of these mechanisms are in place to protect

[2:13:14] Voice 8: that site, and we are all obligated

[2:13:16] Voice 8: to ensure that no harm comes of it and today we're here to discuss a development permit which

[2:13:24] um is within their rights to apply for they meet it um and although i have concerns i have faith

[2:13:36] that

[2:13:37] Voice 9: the applicant is going to do the right thing um can i speak to that point yeah let me just well

[2:13:44] Voice 9: Well, careful, but just give me a moment here.

[2:13:48] Voice 9: So with respect to the development permit,

[2:13:51] Voice 9: presumably we have the opportunity to amend that,

[2:13:54] Voice 9: even here today, to change some of the characteristics

[2:13:57] Voice 9: that if we get some consent from the applicant to do so.

[2:14:01] Voice 9: For instance,

[2:14:02] Voice 10: removing the

[2:14:04] Voice 8: B area at this time,

[2:14:06] Voice 8: so they can continue on with what other activity they want.

[2:14:10] Voice 8: If we can agree that there's a greater level of protection

[2:14:15] Voice 8: that is necessarily above and beyond what we have to do.

[2:14:18] Voice 8: Could we amend that today?

[2:14:20] Voice 8: This is just a question for Stan.

[2:14:22] Voice 9: It would not be

[2:14:23] Voice 9: permissive to issue a permit like that

[2:14:27] Voice 9: unless the applicant is willing to.

[2:14:30] Voice 9: Absolutely.

[2:14:30] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:14:32] Voice 9: There's no flexibility in a development permit.

[2:14:35] Voice 9: It's not a variant.

[2:14:36] Voice 9: It's not a zoning.

[2:14:37] Voice 9: There's no negotiation.

[2:14:41] Voice 8: So I'm just saying that's a potential.

[2:14:43] Voice 8: that

[2:14:43] Voice 9: if this

[2:14:45] Voice 8: was different, it might be easier for us to get to that place, but at the same

[2:14:50] Voice 8: time, I don't believe we have, and so this comes back down to, you know, so we talked

[2:14:56] Voice 8: about the layers of, you know, the trouble is it's very, almost non-dimensional

[2:15:02] Voice 9: for us.

[2:15:04] Voice 9: This is, if all I'm permitting, yes or no, they met the requirements, essentially, none

[2:15:10] Voice 9: of us are happy.

[2:15:11] Voice 9: it's probably not one-dimensional to some able i'm not sure they consider land in the same lens

[2:15:19] Voice 9: and they certainly do not agree with the proponent that there is agreement on the arc sites

[2:15:26] Voice 9: the letter from 2021 states that the lands player spoke with the art branch regarding the proposed

[2:15:34] Voice 9: project with the history related to the arc sites and it's an able's understanding that the branch

[2:15:39] Voice 9: had believed the proponents slash owners had placed covenants on the arc sites but in fact

[2:15:45] Voice 9: that was never completed so this is 2021 and for this ltc to proceed without the assurance

[2:15:56] Voice 9: that those covenants have been secured and there is agreement between sanrio and the province

[2:16:03] Voice 9: that delineates the area of protection which i understand is still disputed it is not like saying

[2:16:10] Voice 9: this tiny area is our sacred area there has been dispute about what are the bounds of those

[2:16:18] Voice 9: areas and so if you're going to believe the proponents word that they will look after that

[2:16:24] Voice 9: there is evidence that chief wise said there has been disagreement the proponents said

[2:16:32] Voice 9: of these aren't the covenants in place the art branch said they were not so i would say there's

[2:16:37] Voice 9: there isn't a lot we can go on unless we see an agreement between the name and the products on

[2:16:45] Voice 9: the extent of those arc sites and then we can proceed with approving a development permit

[2:16:51] Voice 9: those are larger questions that need to be answered and that is our due diligence

[2:16:56] Voice 9: and that process is ended yes our understanding is it's all that would happen once the applicant

[2:17:05] Voice 9: submits that layout and then that discussion can happen until that layout is presented there's

[2:17:11] Voice 9: there's nothing to discuss um because it's all hinging on the layout of those laws and so that

[2:17:18] Voice 9: which is hinging on agreement with the name of it so i just like assurance that that's in place

[2:17:24] Voice 9: or tiny bylaws are insignificant compared to their provincial legislation and development

[2:17:33] Voice 9: permit isn't just your local bylaw it is a provincial tool that the local trust committee

[2:17:40] Voice 9: at the time enacted and intended to be used and they didn't delegate authority to staff

[2:17:45] Voice 9: to issue the permits they maintained that authority to issue the permits so it's an

[2:17:50] Voice 9: uncomfortable situation you're in i get it it is still an administrative tool at this point

[2:17:56] Voice 9: that's a promise that's given the ltc that has adopted it and included it and here we are to

[2:18:03] point out that

[2:18:04] Voice 9: this is a provincial statute that is going out through the land use planning lens

[2:18:09] Voice 9: that you have to use to allow people to proceed with their development of their lands which they

[2:18:15] Voice 9: are intended to do

[2:18:17] Voice 7: um

[2:18:18] Voice 9: so like i might just have a quick question um you might as well ask you

[2:18:25] Voice 9: the applicant wanting to maybe some of the questions that we're going around

[2:18:31] Voice 9: so we want to

[2:18:32] Voice 5: provide

[2:18:33] Voice 9: that opportunity so sir did you have something there yes

[2:18:37] Voice 9: one of the problems here well first of all we we have given the trust a letter of undertaking

[2:18:48] Voice 9: they required where we agreed that at the time of the supplementation, we will register the

[2:18:56] Voice 9: Harrington branch coverage. That's in your file already. Number two, the recent AIA that was done

[2:19:05] Voice 9: was done at the request of the first option. It was conducted on the entire

[2:19:11] Voice 8: site. No sites

[2:19:13] Voice 8: were discovered. That report was submitted to the Harrington branch.

[2:19:17] Voice 9: It accepted that report.

[2:19:20] Voice 9: all of that goes to ministry of transportation before any some of you can get them yeah so

[2:19:28] Voice 7: in addition to that um

[2:19:31] Voice 9: my concern about this is you have one letter from

[2:19:37] Voice 8: the first nation that

[2:19:38] Voice 8: we pull out and point to where they have alleged certain conduct in our part you have another

[2:19:44] Voice 8: correspondence something that we've written to them to administer transportation uh you don't

[2:19:50] Voice 8: have a copy of the heritage branch indefinition that came as a result of their complaint where

[2:19:56] Voice 8: they verified that we had no damage to understand in fact they commended us on how much we were

[2:20:02] Voice 8: protected uh who committed

[2:20:05] Voice 5: they are friends

[2:20:06] Voice 8: they are different of course which came did

[2:20:09] Voice 8: their full inspection and frankly a very supportive report about our care for the site

[2:20:19] Voice 9: So I'm a little bit concerned that one letter from 2020 from the First Nation is some guideline

[2:20:28] Voice 9: for you to suggest that they're correcting what they said because they are totally incorrect.

[2:20:36] Voice 9: In fact,

[2:20:37] Voice 8: they came on the site and we gave them a tour of every site on the property

[2:20:42] Voice 8: and you've never heard a complaint since that day.

[2:20:45] Voice 8: day. So there's a big paradigm shift between what you're proceeding as our behavior or their

[2:20:52] Voice 8: interests and what we're doing every day with the Ministry of Transportation. Right now as we speak

[2:20:58] Voice 8: you know we're preparing correspondence with respect to the covenant. So I happen to have

[2:21:04] Voice 8: this because it's a full-time covenant. The issue you raised the first day is the same as

[2:21:10] Voice 8: we said covenants were registered and they weren't. I have a volume of correspondence

[2:21:15] Voice 8: that addresses that with media transportation. It was never agreed to register a covenant until

[2:21:21] Voice 8: the final lot layout was

[2:21:23] Voice 9: approved. So we put the covenant on the right lot that contained the site.

[2:21:28] Voice 9: That's all we clarified with media transportation, with the Heritage and Friends.

[2:21:32] Voice 9: So their understanding of that was incorrect. And you don't have that course. So you're missing a

[2:21:40] Voice 9: lot

[2:21:41] Voice 8: of correspondence of our work, both with the Paris Station and with the Heritage and

[2:21:45] Voice 8: Transportation.

[2:21:48] Voice 7: So I want to say this, the area

[2:21:54] Voice 9: you're talking about is up in the north-east, northwest corner

[2:21:59] Voice 9: of the site where there's some burial site on the bottom, and it says there, that's not,

[2:22:07] Voice 8: I think there is some steep slope, a very small portion of it, 179 trees there is the

[2:22:13] Voice 8: see maximum amount of trees based on 600 stems per hectare, which is what is the standard

[2:22:19] Voice 8: for a healthy forest on April. So one

[2:22:22] Voice 9: perspective is, even

[2:22:26] Voice 7: if we took all of those trees, which

[2:22:28] Voice 7: never happened,

[2:22:30] Voice 8: it's in line with the guidelines to create a healthy forest on April. We have

[2:22:35] Voice 8: too much overgrowth in some of these stands.

[2:22:37] Voice 9: That's not the question. The question is, how are the cultural sites protected?

[2:22:45] Voice 8: We've undertaken to provide governance.

[2:22:48] Voice 8: The draft covenant has been accepted by the Heritage Branch.

[2:22:51] Voice 8: It can't be registered until the lots are actually created.

[2:22:54] Voice 8: So you put it on a lot and add it to the site.

[2:22:56] Voice 8: Under the Heritage Branch regulation,

[2:22:59] Voice 8: we're not allowed to disturb anything

[2:23:01] Voice 9: with any of these archaeological sites

[2:23:03] Voice 9: without a Heritage Act permit.

[2:23:05] Voice 9: And if we get that permit,

[2:23:07] Voice 9: it'll require First Nations

[2:23:09] Voice 8: on-site supervision,

[2:23:11] Voice 8: provision, just like our last AIA did with the First Nation.

[2:23:16] Voice 8: You haven't done a letter to the First Nation saying, gee, we went to this AIA for three

[2:23:23] Voice 8: days and did this report, and we found a whole

[2:23:26] Voice 8: bunch of things we have concerns, because

[2:23:28] Voice 8: there were no concerns.

[2:23:31] Voice 8: There's always a risk

[2:23:32] Voice 9: that

[2:23:33] Voice 8: you might find a further site.

[2:23:36] Voice 8: So now we're

[2:23:36] Voice 9: getting into your word against the name of, and I'd like to avoid that, because

[2:23:40] Voice 9: Because I've

[2:23:40] Voice 8: heard the exact

[2:23:41] Voice 9: opposite when I talk to them.

[2:23:46] Voice 9: When was this that you talked to them?

[2:23:49] Voice 9: Last week.

[2:23:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): Who

[2:23:49] Voice 9: did you speak?

[2:23:51] Voice 9: I'm not going to name names.

[2:23:52] Voice 9: Oh, no, no, no.

[2:23:53] Voice 9: This is normal.

[2:23:55] Voice 9: Your

[2:23:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): public representative,

[2:23:56] Voice 9: Dean Madsen, told me on the phone that there has always been concern

[2:24:01] Voice 9: and they remain opposed to any development in that area.

[2:24:05] Voice 9: She was going to call a meeting of the elders to talk about this issue,

[2:24:09] Voice 9: and she forwarded it to Chief and Council.

[2:24:12] Voice 8: Let me

[2:24:12] Voice 8: respond to you.

[2:24:14] Voice 8: We're in the middle of discussions with the First Nation

[2:24:16] Voice 8: about their interest in buying all their part of our land.

[2:24:20] Voice 5: It's

[2:24:20] Voice 8: been going on for 15 years, a third time.

[2:24:24] Voice 8: We're waiting for a response.

[2:24:25] Voice 8: We sent them a layout of a whole bunch of different options,

[2:24:29] Voice 8: what they could take.

[2:24:30] Voice 8: We put all the sites on one lot, and they can have that lot.

[2:24:34] Voice 8: If they want to buy it all, buy it all.

[2:24:36] Voice 8: That's what we're having with First Nations.

[2:24:38] Voice 9: So

[2:24:38] Voice 7: I have to say to you, I'm uncomfortable that we're out of this post, that you talk to the

[2:24:49] Voice 8: First Nations, we have no need to discuss, we have no opportunity to express.

[2:24:53] Voice 8: I'd be happy to have you have a meeting with Geraldine Manson and us sitting in the room, and we'll bring our paperwork and we'll see, we'll see, we'll try.

[2:25:01] Voice 8: But all of this, to me, is, let me just say, you've already made your mind up that somehow

[2:25:09] Voice 8: we're doing something wrong that's affecting the First Nation, all based on one letter

[2:25:14] Voice 8: and a phone call with Jeremy.

[2:25:15] Voice 8: So I can give you probably a foot-kind of communications with every agency outside of

[2:25:21] Voice 8: yours, who I understand has the authority and jurisdiction to approve a subdivision,

[2:25:26] Voice 8: protect the sites.

[2:25:27] Voice 8: And now you're saying to me, you want to somehow protect it by not giving the development permit

[2:25:34] Voice 8: while we're working with all these other higher agents to talk about it, complying with every

[2:25:39] Voice 8: single criteria that's ever asked.

[2:25:41] Voice 8: And if the first agents have an objection, they should make it to MOTI.

[2:25:45] Voice 8: And if they do, they will.

[2:25:47] Voice 8: And that'll be part of the preservation process.

[2:25:49] Voice 9: And we'll deal with it.

[2:25:50] Voice 9: But let me make it clear to you.

[2:25:52] Voice 7: There are only eight sites on our front.

[2:25:56] Voice 7: Eight.

[2:25:58] Voice 7: of all the midden sites they've all been totally destroyed

[2:26:02] Voice 9: by previous logging that doesn't mean

[2:26:05] Voice 9: they're not still special

[2:26:07] Voice 7: sites but they're destroyed five of the sites the petroglyph site

[2:26:13] Voice 7: the three barrel sites and

[2:26:16] Voice 9: a large midden site are all on a block all going to be on the one

[2:26:22] Voice 9: lot that we created to do this all would have covenants and no

[2:26:27] Voice 7: trees within those areas

[2:26:30] Voice 7: to be taken without a permit so i have to say i think this is all about nothing and

[2:26:39] Voice 9: if the first

[2:26:39] Voice 9: nation had objective hey we've been in this process now for a long time in

[2:26:44] Voice 8: the first edition

[2:26:44] Voice 8: and it's it's going to happen soon we'll find out

[2:26:49] Voice 9: if they really have an object we can't get them

[2:26:52] Voice 9: to tell us what their objections other than what you said which is just just some thing in the sky

[2:27:01] Voice 5: something

[2:27:01] Voice 9: in the sky really something in the sky really yeah because they will not tell us

[2:27:09] Voice 9: you know listen they're the ones that said in writing that they

[2:27:14] Voice 8: wanted an updated aia

[2:27:16] Voice 8: because they said the testing spacing on the

[2:27:20] Voice 7: previous part wasn't sufficient we got that

[2:27:23] Voice 7: they were there it's been submitted it's been accepted so we satisfied

[2:27:30] Voice 8: the last request they

[2:27:32] Voice 8: had we don't know what else they're concerned about other than this general theory that they

[2:27:37] Voice 8: really don't want this subject to occur because they wouldn't either control the property or

[2:27:41] Voice 8: fine

[2:27:42] Voice 5: and

[2:27:43] Voice 8: we're having that discussion but

[2:27:46] Voice 9: if they don't end up on device and we don't want to sell

[2:27:49] Voice 9: it we're going to sell the money now we'll do

[2:27:52] Voice 8: all the hoops in the subdivision process

[2:27:54] Voice 8: that everybody throws at us.

[2:27:56] Voice 8: But to suggest we can't have 14 homes on 150 acres

[2:28:01] Voice 8: because there's

[2:28:01] Voice 9: four destroyer midden sites,

[2:28:04] Voice 9: a phenomenal petro-district,

[2:28:06] Voice 9: couple of aerial sites that are all gonna be protected,

[2:28:10] Voice 9: that's a hard one to swallow.

[2:28:13] Voice 9: Especially when the islands trust.

[2:28:17] Voice 9: When we started this whole process,

[2:28:19] Voice 9: we went through all this, we did our lot layouts,

[2:28:21] Voice 8: we got our PLAs to make sure before we spent the money

[2:28:24] Voice 8: and bought 778 can be donated we haven't committed from the trust that there's some zone that the

[2:28:31] Voice 8: layouts they need your trust has already approved the law labels for this subject but there's a

[2:28:38] Voice 8: there's a there's a meeting with the trust where they actually approve our law lady our line lay

[2:28:43] Voice 8: up now

[2:28:43] Voice 10: you

[2:28:44] Voice 8: know

[2:28:46] Voice 10: actually

[2:28:47] Voice 8: i want to pull this competition back to you but i agree with what

[2:28:50] Voice 8: your initiative yeah we're talking about

[2:28:53] Voice 8: subdivision now yeah and

[2:28:54] Voice 8: i'm very thankful

[2:28:56] Voice 8: i just want to go back to the point i think i respect what you said i respect what you're

[2:29:04] Voice 8: doing too but unfortunately you don't have all the information and if we if you did i think

[2:29:09] Voice 8: we might have a different perspective of how well the instruments have been protected and will be

[2:29:15] Voice 8: and continue to do it. And if we get

[2:29:17] Voice 8: them to actually have

[2:29:20] Voice 8: constructive conversation

[2:29:21] Voice 8: really down to earth's basics,

[2:29:23] Voice 8: we can probably decide that they

[2:29:25] Voice 8: want to buy it or not buy it. And that

[2:29:27] Voice 9: may happen in the next week.

[2:29:29] Voice 9: But we don't know.

[2:29:31] Voice 9: You know, we're talking about

[2:29:34] Voice 7: an development permit here.

[2:29:38] Voice 7: According to the

[2:29:40] Voice 7: criteria on it,

[2:29:41] Voice 7: the

[2:29:44] Voice 8: requirements should have been met.

[2:29:46] Voice 8: Certainly there are

[2:29:48] Voice 8: significant other concerns

[2:29:50] Voice 8: Let's just call it that.

[2:29:52] Voice 8: And I certainly understand

[2:29:54] Voice 9: and get that.

[2:29:57] Voice 9: I think you understand that.

[2:30:00] Voice 9: um whatever

[2:30:01] Voice 8: ambitions you have for that product project in terms of subdivision or or even just

[2:30:06] Voice 8: selling it to somebody else and somebody else could sell it right the future of that remains

[2:30:11] Voice 8: unknown but certainly if by issuance of this development permit some activity that you or

[2:30:18] Voice 8: somebody else takes with respect to that piece of property will definitely affect what happens next

[2:30:23] Voice 8: And I think you understand that.

[2:30:27] Voice 8: So you know, it's an interesting thing, right, is I

[2:30:32] Voice 7: trust you, I would issue the bill.

[2:30:36] Voice 7: I want, I don't think I'm wrong in that.

[2:30:40] Voice 9: And you just told me that you understand what the repercussions are, if something goes wrong

[2:30:45] Voice 7: on our next site, it'd be huge.

[2:30:54] Voice 7: So there we are, not totally sure what else there is to talk about.

[2:31:02] Voice 8: And it's absolutely a mess in terms of legislation, colonialism, the complete removal of rights

[2:31:11] Voice 8: and rights entitled from lands

[2:31:15] Voice 9: everywhere.

[2:31:18] Voice 7: If better tools were in place, we would do a better job.

[2:31:22] Voice 7: We don't have those tools.

[2:31:28] Voice 7: You know, I always say there's two things that I worry about waking up in the morning

[2:31:33] Voice 7: to, and they're connected.

[2:31:36] Voice 7: it. One is an oil spill in the Silicon Islands. The other one is an oil spill off

[2:31:45] Voice 8: Valdez Island

[2:31:47] Voice 8: right next to the cultural sites that exist along the shorelines. It would be the worst

[2:31:53] Voice 8: possible situation because we know about it. We know about these art sites, we know about

[2:31:58] Voice 8: the burial sites, we know about the significance of it, we know about the spiritual nature of it,

[2:32:03] Voice 8: not just the physical nature

[2:32:05] Voice 8: destroy

[2:32:06] Voice 7: it or not

[2:32:06] Voice 7: I think you understand

[2:32:11] Voice 7: I also

[2:32:18] Voice 7: believe it or not

[2:32:19] Voice 7: I can't believe myself

[2:32:21] Voice 7: I

[2:32:21] Voice 8: do have faith in the

[2:32:25] Voice 8: arch branch and that that's their

[2:32:26] Voice 8: responsibility to ensure that those sites

[2:32:29] Voice 8: are protected and I have to believe

[2:32:31] Voice 8: that because I don't

[2:32:31] Voice 9: have any choice

[2:32:33] Voice 9: anybody thinks I'm wrong

[2:32:35] Voice 9: and certainly the arch branch

[2:32:37] Voice 9: has never done good

[2:32:40] Voice 9: service to First Nations historically.

[2:32:44] Voice 8: I think that they're better today than they were five

[2:32:47] Voice 8: years ago or 10 years ago. There's a long way to continue going, but we are stuck in

[2:32:52] Voice 8: this dilemma of legislation

[2:32:53] Voice 7: and regulations that surround us today. I'm in support of

[2:33:01] Voice 7: advancing this dilemma, and I would like to see a

[2:33:03] Voice 9: motion one way or the other, and it'll

[2:33:05] Voice 9: pass or it'll get defeated, if that's what it is. But now I want

[2:33:10] Voice 9: to have Susan Page speak

[2:33:12] Voice 9: Well, I'll have comments after we get to the motion. I think it's probably more appropriate.

[2:33:18] Voice 9: Just a real quick question, though, to Clarissa. The preliminary layout does come back to us

[2:33:26] Voice 9: a little bit more.

[2:33:27] Voice 9: Only if it requires a variance for a 10% frontage waiver. So again, your land use

[2:33:34] Voice 9: bylaw is your chance to make it abundantly clear what an adequate reasonable subdivision layout

[2:33:43] Voice 9: should be that staff can then do the check and issue a referral response to indicate that

[2:33:49] Voice 9: everything is either good or it requires a variance or a waiver of some sort within the

[2:33:54] Voice 9: ltc.c but it's not intended to be another rezoning application at the time of subdivision

[2:33:59] Voice 9: and i understand correctly those covenants will be registered at the time

[2:34:08] Voice 9: yeah usually it's concurrent with approval of subdivisions so that when the title

[2:34:11] Voice 9: the land title office received the layouts and the legal description for each of those locks

[2:34:16] Voice 9: with all covenants related to any referral response that was approved by the provincial

[2:34:22] Voice 9: approving officer are then concurrently registered against that new title so that there's no

[2:34:29] Voice 9: Gaps are missing information, so this doesn't really concur with what director Marla told me yesterday.

[2:34:38] Voice 9: When I asked him, and he wrote an email clarifying the limits of our legislation through our development permit area and our authorities in this regard, and so I followed up with him after our EC meeting yesterday and I said.

[2:34:54] Voice 9: um considering that the covenants are not yet secured we don't have

[2:35:01] Voice 9: um clarity on the bilateral relationship with the province how does the permitting process

[2:35:11] Voice 9: fit with that and he said you could reasonably defer consideration of this development permit

[2:35:17] Voice 9: permit application until covenant areas are settled.

[2:35:24] Voice 9: That's what he told me yesterday.

[2:35:26] Voice 9: So I do see this as a piece of process

[2:35:29] Voice 9: that we're trying to advance

[2:35:31] Voice 9: to satisfy something with larger questions.

[2:35:35] Voice 9: Again, the protection of cultural heritage

[2:35:38] Voice 9: that San Diego continually refers to

[2:35:41] Voice 9: have not been evidence to this LTC.

[2:35:45] Voice 9: see that those conversations are ongoing that's wonderful you've reached agreement um for me to

[2:35:54] Voice 9: be able to sleep at night for this ltc to be able to stand conscious with the reconciliation

[2:36:01] Voice 9: declaration sign um i would like to see assurance that that agreement has been met and so i would

[2:36:11] Voice 9: to request the chair write a letter to the MOTI requesting confirmation of the covenanting of

[2:36:20] Voice 9: Indigenous cultural heritage on this file and further that this LTC does not support development

[2:36:26] Voice 9: in this area until the province and the First Nation have reached agreement and that the LTC

[2:36:34] Voice 9: defers consideration of this DP until such time as these particular issues of the protection

[2:36:38] Voice 9: us in First Nations, cultural heritage sites, have given that.

[2:36:47] Voice 7: So, from reading David Mahler's letter, I didn't talk to him, I wasn't part of that conversation,

[2:36:57] Voice 9: but he, in that email he wrote, he goes on to say that we still need to improve the development.

[2:37:06] Voice 5: Eventually, yeah.

[2:37:09] Voice 9: Does he

[2:37:10] Voice 8: get the eventually?

[2:37:10] Voice 8: we

[2:37:10] Voice 9: can take a short break i'd be happy to contact director marler to bring him in for that piece

[2:37:17] Voice 9: because i can't advise you on the risks associated with the deferment related specifically to a

[2:37:22] Voice 9: solution file that we don't have yet so there needs to be some tweaking of your wording to

[2:37:28] Voice 9: ensure that it's referencing the correct application modi doesn't have a subdivision

[2:37:32] Voice 9: file with the current layout either so it'd be a letter to the modi about something that's

[2:37:36] Voice 9: that's going to be happening in the future, but isn't active in terms of actually to the

[2:37:42] Voice 9: art branch during this time.

[2:37:44] Voice 9: So that's why I think just some confirmation from the director on that deferral being connected

[2:37:50] Voice 9: to a specific process that isn't actually happening yet.

[2:37:55] Voice 9: I think that's an important piece that the LTC needs to consider.

[2:37:57] Voice 9: There might be some risks associated with that that you are comfortable with, and that's

[2:38:01] Voice 9: fine.

[2:38:01] Voice 9: That's your choice to

[2:38:02] Voice 6: follow

[2:38:03] Voice 9: through with that if that's the case.

[2:38:04] Voice 9: but i think you do need to weigh that against any potential risk so the directives are better suited

[2:38:08] Voice 9: to advise you to oppose risk so i missed i think a significant problem in risk

[2:38:16] Voice 8: associated with the

[2:38:17] Voice 8: deferment correct

[2:38:18] Voice 9: okay thank you um just quick question um through the chair to again to planner

[2:38:25] Voice 9: zupanets um is there any reason to think that those covenants wouldn't be registered

[2:38:38] Voice 9: No, but the nature of those covenants in terms of the extent of what they cover, the geographic

[2:38:45] Voice 9: area, those are all pieces that have yet to be finalized and determined.

[2:38:51] Voice 9: So that's why that process would be vetted through the subdivision application, because

[2:38:58] Voice 9: we need to understand access servicing layout as a layer um not to mention steep slopes

[2:39:08] Voice 6: the

[2:39:08] Voice 9: developable portions that remain for future dwelling sites so

[2:39:16] Voice 7: you know this is all well and

[2:39:18] Voice 7: good but we don't have a subject and

[2:39:22] Voice 8: so i don't see how it's relevant because these good folks

[2:39:29] Voice 8: could you say, nah, we're not getting sub-developed at the same time?

[2:39:34] Voice 9: That's why I think, Director Marla,

[2:39:36] Voice 9: it can help with the crafting of your resolution

[2:39:38] Voice 9: or that piece that you're tying to permit to a specific file.

[2:39:41] Voice 9: And in fact, that file may never happen.

[2:39:43] Voice 5: No,

[2:39:43] Voice 9: just because there is and was a subdivision.

[2:39:47] Voice 9: Someone who applied for a development permit

[2:39:49] Voice 9: sometimes doesn't have any other reason to apply

[2:39:51] Voice 9: other than the tree removal piece,

[2:39:53] Voice 9: which is currently what, in a sense, we have to look at this application as.

[2:39:59] Voice 9: So I think you need some advice on a resolution that better reflects what is happening with this particular DP to reduce your risk.

[2:40:09] Voice 9: May I ask another really quick question related to that?

[2:40:13] Voice 9: And would that advice include whether we can make that resolution separately from approving this development?

[2:40:21] Voice 9: It's not like a condition, but just as a request.

[2:40:28] Voice 9: I'm not asking for approval or not approval, I'm asking for deferment until we have clarity

[2:40:35] Voice 9: on the ARC branch's work to secure the covenant areas and that we have security from synonymic

[2:40:43] Voice 9: first nation as the

[2:40:44] Voice 9: proponent has been saying that everything is proceeding according to

[2:40:49] Voice 9: everybody having the information on both sides.

[2:40:51] Voice 9: This LTC, which is like assurance that that process is being done in a good way and underway before we, so it's just a deferral, so that we have to make sure that all these agreements are in process, at least.

[2:41:05] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm just suggesting, Dr. Harlan, the person to ask that question to, so that

[2:41:10] Voice 9: you can crack that resolution.

[2:41:11] Voice 10: I ask for

[2:41:12] Voice 9: general people to put your comment.

[2:41:17] Voice 9: That's what it's saying.

[2:41:18] Voice 9: so

[2:41:18] Voice 10: yes okay i'm just asking

[2:41:20] Voice 9: you if you don't please don't um use that that was just me

[2:41:24] Voice 9: suggesting that because i haven't had that conversation so it's up to you how you would

[2:41:29] Voice 9: like to proceed with or without a quick call or conversation let's

[2:41:33] Voice 8: continue to entertain

[2:41:34] Voice 8: seeking more advice maybe we fire them an email just to alert them that we

[2:41:39] Voice 8: maybe like him to join us that would be a proactive step but um in order to

[2:41:46] manage our time appropriately

[2:41:48] Voice 8: but it strikes me if this was an unsub-dividable lot

[2:41:54] Voice 8: two acres or something and they were looking for a development permit for that two acre piece and

[2:42:00] Voice 8: there was an archaeological site on it it is no different than this whatever size of property it

[2:42:07] Voice 8: is the subdivision has little or nothing to do with the issuance of the development permit

[2:42:13] Voice 8: So the relationship between the archaeological site and the property owner, in fact, through the arch branch, not even our jurisdiction at all, they would be the one imposing the fines.

[2:42:26] Voice 8: They would be the ones that would be taking whatever action was necessary.

[2:42:29] Voice 8: If they violated the archaeological branch laws, regulations, legislation, the development department was just giving them the opportunity to do whatever it is that they're doing.

[2:42:42] Voice 8: So

[2:42:44] Voice 9: I don't know that there's a deferment based upon any relationship between

[2:42:54] Voice 8: MODY and the ARC branch, because the relationship

[2:42:57] Voice 9: ultimately ends up being between the ARC branch

[2:42:59] Voice 9: and the property.

[2:43:02] Voice 9: I'm just trying to help with the clarity on the recommended resolutions because that's

[2:43:10] Voice 9: the only one on the table right now.

[2:43:12] Voice 9: okay

[2:43:12] Voice 8: so if i would suggest that we uh uh uh because well i gotta figure out what the right

[2:43:22] what the right uh

[2:43:23] Voice 8: robert's rules are here is uh defer this uh uh until we have a kind of

[2:43:30] Voice 8: kind of

[2:43:31] Voice 9: like a recess it would take me like two minutes oh

[2:43:34] Voice 8: i'm thinking about continuing

[2:43:35] Voice 8: on some other items on the agenda because david mauler may not be available

[2:43:43] Voice 8: let's recess and see what transpires is that right

[2:43:47] Voice 9: yes i waited for a recess

[2:43:49] Voice 9: okay five minute recess five minute recess yeah thank you

[2:43:52] Voice 7: okay thank you

[2:43:54] Voice 7: thank you we're in here

[2:44:04] Voice 7: Are these your keys?

[2:44:08] Voice 7: You probably have the hotline.

[2:44:10] Voice 7: I don't want to do that.

[2:44:12] Voice 7: I don't want my keys in there.

[2:44:13] Voice 9: I don't want mine.

[2:44:14] Voice 9: I just go with what you have.

[2:44:17] Voice 9: I appreciate it.

[2:44:18] Voice 7: Great.

[2:44:20] Voice 7: Yes, I know.

[2:44:20] Voice 7: Awesome.

[2:44:21] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:44:27] Voice 7: Can I see the letter from this LTC?

[2:44:29] Voice 7: Did you see the letter from this LTC?

[2:44:33] Voice 9: Can I come to this LTC?

[2:44:37] Voice 9: Please.

[2:44:37] Voice 9: Can I come to this LTC?

[2:44:40] Voice 9: You know, I've read so much,

[2:44:42] Voice 9: I may have.

[2:44:44] Voice 9: I haven't read that, that's for sure.

[2:44:51] Voice 9: It's from Dan, right?

[2:44:53] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:44:53] Voice 9: It's from the chair and he's talking to

[2:44:57] Voice 9: sort

[2:45:02] Voice 7: of the last item.

[2:46:06] Voice 7: What we did is we did that

[2:46:10] Voice 7: both those

[2:46:20] Voice 7: i am

[2:46:32] Voice 2: hello look

[2:46:34] Voice 7: at that surprise

[2:46:34] Voice 8: nice to see you thank you

[2:46:36] Voice 2: i i've been listening for a bit uh

[2:46:38] Voice 2: thank you i

[2:46:39] Voice 2: sure have oh

[2:46:41] Voice 8: very good then so you uh are you then aware of the question in hand

[2:46:45] Voice 8: to do with the permit of the development permit we have before us today based upon

[2:46:52] Voice 9: on potential connection

[2:46:58] Voice 8: between a subdivision

[2:46:59] Voice 8: and the art branch covenant process?

[2:47:02] Voice 2: I am aware of the question at hand,

[2:47:05] Voice 2: and I'm aware of, I think, the totality of the application

[2:47:08] Voice 2: and sort of where it is in its process.

[2:47:12] Voice 2: I'm also aware of the previous communications

[2:47:14] Voice 2: that Director Marlowe gave you.

[2:47:15] Voice 2: So with that in mind, there's due process to be served,

[2:47:19] Voice 2: but there's also questions that this body is trying to answer.

[2:47:22] Voice 2: And so my recommendation is if there's unanswered questions, I don't think staff can answer that at this meeting right now in regards to connecting covenants to subdivisions that may or may not be happening and so on and so forth.

[2:47:37] Voice 2: What I recommend is that it's reasonable for you to ask for more information, but to also you have a duty to consider the application in a reasonable amount of time.

[2:47:46] Voice 2: so I would recommend that if you're looking if you're requesting staff to

[2:47:51] Voice 2: report back on more information you request that information and then that

[2:47:55] Voice 2: staff report back in in a in a prescriptive amount of time perhaps by

[2:48:00] Voice 2: the next meeting whenever that is I presume it's within a month and so you

[2:48:04] Voice 2: could make a resolution that the Gabriel LTC request staff to report back on the

[2:48:09] Voice 2: following items list those items so staff know what they're with the

[2:48:12] Voice 2: reporting back on and it could be this this link of connecting uh covenants subdivisions processing

[2:48:19] Voice 2: and so on and so forth and that uh the uh the dp application be deferred until staff report back

[2:48:26] Voice 2: at that next meeting something along those lines so that's my my recommendation right now so that

[2:48:31] Voice 2: if i don't think we can answer the question in terms of process because it sounds there's a bit

[2:48:35] Voice 2: of um too many loose pieces that i don't we haven't been able to connect in terms of covenants

[2:48:40] Voice 2: and subdivisions and applications that aren't occurring and i don't think i could reasonably

[2:48:45] Voice 2: answer the question about anchoring resolutions to something that that's uncertain so if you need

[2:48:53] Voice 2: that certainty i think it's reasonable for you to request staff to provide you that certainty

[2:48:56] Voice 2: but you'd be we'd have to report back in order to do that so

[2:49:02] Voice 7: process perspective i have a couple

[2:49:08] Voice 9: one being probably the most important thing i i believe and am i right or wrong there is no

[2:49:18] subdivision

[2:49:18] Voice 8: file this time the one that we had is now closed and no new application has been made

[2:49:24] Voice 8: or

[2:49:25] Voice 9: no means have been collected for a new subdivision file so there's nothing for covenant

[2:49:31] Voice 9: from the art branch to connect to they may still have an a file open the original agency may not

[2:49:39] Voice 9: be closed in file it's the way we do after we completed our referral response file closed

[2:49:43] Voice 9: so they may still have an active open file so

[2:49:49] Voice 8: is that a justification for us to do a deferment

[2:49:52] Voice 8: that another

[2:49:53] Voice 9: agency has you don't have the answer to that question

[2:49:58] Voice 2: is that a question for me mr chair

[2:50:00] Voice 2: I can't quite tell.

[2:50:01] Voice 8: Yes, it is.

[2:50:02] Voice 8: Yeah, that's back to you.

[2:50:03] Voice 8: I'm sorry.

[2:50:03] Voice 8: You can't see

[2:50:04] Voice 8: me looking at you.

[2:50:05] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:50:05] Voice 8: No, that's right.

[2:50:06] Voice 2: That's right.

[2:50:07] Voice 2: So yeah, Mr. Chair, it is reasonable for the LTC to answer, to have questions answered

[2:50:12] Voice 2: that it has while meeting its legal obligation to consider the application in a reasonable

[2:50:19] Voice 2: timeframe.

[2:50:20] Voice 2: But the LTC needs to be certain and certainly you understand that you must consider issuance

[2:50:28] Voice 2: of a dp that meets the guidelines but if you also have questions you know there's a tension there

[2:50:33] Voice 2: and it's reasonable to assume that you get your questions answered before you issue it

[2:50:36] Voice 2: you just can't um you can't sort of dither forever so to speak if if you don't mind me

[2:50:42] Voice 2: using that term i'm sorry then

[2:50:44] Voice 8: you've got to my second question which we've already deferred this

[2:50:47] Voice 8: 30 days we're talking about another deferment of another 30 days um and so you implied that

[2:50:55] Voice 8: that we can't continue to do this well

[2:50:59] Voice 2: for clarity you know the courts say it has to be a reasonable

[2:51:02] Voice 2: time and so the courts essentially will decide what a reasonable is and you've got to go to court

[2:51:07] Voice 2: for them to tell you what was reasonable not i would suggest that everybody's operating in good

[2:51:12] Voice 2: faith and just trying to answer questions this application has been going on for quite some time

[2:51:17] Voice 2: in its larger picture of development and i think these are really important questions that the ltc

[2:51:23] Voice 2: he's trying to wrestle with and so asking questions for another 30 days in my personal opinion or my

[2:51:27] Voice 2: personal professional opinion is not unreasonable and to challenge that opinion would take more

[2:51:33] Voice 2: time than it's worth i just encourage an open honest conversation with the applicant

[2:51:38] Voice 2: and with all the parties and just keep everybody and informed and be you know just just be open

[2:51:44] Voice 2: and honest and get the questions to the answers answers to the questions you're asking sorry

[2:51:48] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:51:49] Voice 8: Well, thank you for that advice. That's good advice. I appreciate you using the word

[2:51:53] Voice 8: tension. And there is tension associated with questions that we don't feel we have answers for.

[2:52:01] And it would be good to

[2:52:03] Voice 8: alleviate that tension to be able to move forward. And you've also

[2:52:08] indicated that it's not

[2:52:10] Voice 8: unreasonable that if we still have outstanding questions,

[2:52:13] Voice 8: that we continue to ask for additional time.

[2:52:19] Voice 8: make additional time to get those things but obviously we need to not

[2:52:24] Voice 9: continue um so that's

[2:52:29] that's good so i'm going to ask the other the other trustees if um you have any clarity or

[2:52:36] any other questions for a selective sermon

[2:52:38] Voice 9: this topic of determent um would be single

[2:52:43] Voice 9: advice is my question because this is a this is a question that doesn't just affect our ltc but it

[2:52:52] Voice 9: affects every local government that is wrestling with these larger questions of which comes first

[2:52:58] Voice 9: our land use bylaws or the dp regulations or the ongoing negotiation that a person has to secure

[2:53:08] Voice 9: its own cultural heritage sites and so I did seek advice from our senior policy advisor and

[2:53:16] Voice 9: she literally said this is a changing landscape and the legal opinions are changing all the time

[2:53:21] Voice 9: because as the declaration act filters down and the interpretation acts we do not yet have clarity

[2:53:32] Voice 9: as local governments of how to negotiate these overlapping interests and my only guidance is

[2:53:40] Voice 9: that that's the name of keeps expressing these are our core concerns these this this is the only

[2:53:44] Voice 9: thing we want from you is make sure that development doesn't happen until we have said

[2:53:48] Voice 9: this is okay and this is protected and so i just want assurance and yes we're placing ourselves in

[2:53:54] Voice 9: legal jeopardy and maybe we need a legal opinion so i would move that we seek a legal opinion on

[2:54:00] Voice 9: on the inviolability of the Gabriela Local Trust Committee

[2:54:03] Voice 9: to bring consideration of the development permit application

[2:54:06] Voice 9: that meets the prescriptive guidelines

[2:54:08] Voice 9: until the local government has security and assurance

[2:54:11] Voice 9: that agreement has been met between a provincial body,

[2:54:14] Voice 9: such as the ARC branch and a First Nation

[2:54:18] Voice 9: with respect to Indigenous cultural heritage protection.

[2:54:22] Voice 9: Because it's a question for all of us to understand

[2:54:27] Voice 9: what the lay of the land is now.

[2:54:29] Voice 9: and we need to know before we move forward on these decisions

[2:54:34] Voice 7: in haste you get that that was

[2:54:41] a motion that correct to you lisa oh you got it so

[2:54:45] Voice 8: we need to hear what that motion is we

[2:54:51] Voice 8: we've kind of slipped sideways here i'm sure stefan can see that we've gone from

[2:54:56] Voice 8: deferment to a different motion seeking legal advice

[2:55:00] Voice 9: oh i want both both motions are

[2:55:13] Voice 9: There's two. I would request that the Chair write a letter to the ARC branch on OT that

[2:55:20] Voice 9: the LTC differs consideration with DP until such time as the larger issues of protection

[2:55:24] Voice 9: of SFN's cultural heritage sites. And then MEF is the second one, and third that we seek

[2:55:29] Voice 9: legal and you know the advisability but you don't trust it okay so you're way ahead of us here

[2:55:34] Voice 9: because i wasn't aware you had two emotions i just said one it hasn't been seconded

[2:55:40] Voice 8: you're just way ahead of us okay because you're way closer to this someone i am sorry um and so

[2:55:48] Voice 8: we brought in director zermak to to um discuss a deferment and the advice is that if we need more

[2:55:59] Voice 8: information, then we

[2:56:01] Voice 9: need to defer it with the ask for the

[2:56:09] Voice 9: back what information that we

[2:56:10] Voice 8: want in order to for us to

[2:56:13] Voice 8: consider. So that's one motion. If we need legal advice or

[2:56:18] Voice 8: anything else, then that those are second and third and fourth

[2:56:24] motions. But in the back of my mind here, at this present

[2:56:30] Voice 8: moment in time

[2:56:31] Voice 9: um i have not seen a letter from the name of the telexis specifically

[2:56:38] Voice 9: the previous ltc has the previous ltc has okay so

[2:56:43] Voice 8: it's not part of no the previous lt has seen

[2:56:47] Voice 8: a letter from some name with respect to a subdivision not a development

[2:56:51] Voice 9: we

[2:56:53] Voice 7: can't mix

[2:56:54] Voice 7: these things up there's

[2:56:57] Voice 9: nothing in our development permit to trigger a referral to

[2:57:01] Voice 9: the name of and so they're not going to be bothered with answering an email but we can ask

[2:57:06] Voice 9: when the underlying rights issue has been clarified over and over again to this body and

[2:57:12] Voice 9: they keep asking us protect our cultural heritage until we are there and those sites are secure

[2:57:19] Voice 9: that's the underlying premise the entire time they do not need to keep repeating this

[2:57:24] Voice 9: since 2005 they've been inconsistent well

[2:57:29] Voice 8: i'm sorry to hear that that's

[2:57:30] Voice 9: been since 2005 because

[2:57:32] Voice 9: that obviously

[2:57:36] Voice 7: hasn't been important to previous local trust committees but might be so bold

[2:57:50] Voice 7: in terms

[2:57:51] Voice 8: of sequence of events here i think what we're looking for initially is a deferment

[2:57:55] Voice 8: there's obviously some other motions that are necessary as we advance here but

[2:58:00] Voice 8: just thinking out loud actually sorry i think what i want to do is hear the motion

[2:58:05] that was just uh um spoken um from the meditative

[2:58:11] Voice 9: the uh the opinion motion or the um uh the chair right letter to the art

[2:58:18] Voice 9: what happened so we never did get i didn't get that i sent that in the last was it in the first

[2:58:26] Voice 9: well it's

[2:58:26] Voice 10: already in the second

[2:58:27] Voice 9: part and further sorry um so what's that i think that the best way

[2:58:35] Voice 9: to proceed here would be to do the deferment then

[2:58:37] Voice 8: ask for the information uh well or actually

[2:58:42] Voice 8: consolidate the information that we require in the deferment for reasons and then if there's

[2:58:48] Voice 8: additional motions to seek legal opinion or other communications with other agencies through those

[2:58:53] Voice 8: is second where i see the director

[2:58:56] Voice 9: i'm nodding his head there so just trying to keep a process

[2:59:00] Voice 9: that makes sense

[2:59:00] Voice 10: and

[2:59:01] Voice 9: susan i've not ignored you but i had neglected you sorry susan i am prepared

[2:59:09] Voice 9: to second the first motion regarding a 30-day approximately 30-day deferral to gather more

[2:59:15] Voice 9: information i think that is fairly reasonable um director chermack i so appreciate your being with

[2:59:22] Voice 9: us right now. I just cannot tell you how helpful this has been. I think a 30-day deferral to get

[2:59:30] Voice 9: more information specifically on how those covenants work with regard to development

[2:59:37] Voice 9: permits, subdivision approval, how much information we can get regarding those covenants or possible

[2:59:46] Voice 9: But delaying it beyond three days is unreasonable, partly because a lot of, many of the issues

[2:59:54] Voice 9: we're talking about here today are, are way...

[3:00:00] Voice 9: bigger than this particular development. And there are

[3:00:04] Voice 9: issues that we need to be conferring with Robin Caffey

[3:00:07] Voice 9: about all the time, now that we have a lot of staff. And then

[3:00:15] Voice 9: some of the issues that we are talking about here today, are

[3:00:18] Voice 9: simply a lack of strong development, which I will talk

[3:00:23] Voice 9: about later, later. What we have in front of us is the

[3:00:27] Voice 9: development permit that is currently in place for Steve

[3:00:30] Voice 9: and that is what the occupants brought forth it's from david so let's come in just now yeah

[3:00:39] Voice 9: thank you

[3:00:42] Voice 9: just as public information it's written to the local tc

[3:00:47] Voice 9: renee so have

[3:00:52] Voice 8: you seen this uh stefan are you cc'd on this email from david marlin

[3:00:58] Voice 2: I am, Mr. Chair. Thank you. And it's similar to what I said, but in more detail, and is that you can ask for more information to understand what you're processing.

[3:01:09] Voice 2: Yeah, so you can seek more information.

[3:01:11] Voice 8: I'm just going to read this out because if this is part of a decision-making process, we need to be public about what our decision-making rationale is.

[3:01:20] Voice 8: So I have an email here from David Mahler. He's the Senior Legislative Services Director.

[3:01:27] Voice 8: uh our most senior uh staff person uh responsible for the legislative responsibilities

[3:01:35] Voice 8: and he says that uh my comments were in oh so this is a referral to the discussion we had with

[3:01:41] Voice 8: trustee ellen my comments were in relation to assurance that the proposal for which a permit

[3:01:47] Voice 8: is being applied for is possible if there are additional requirements by other agencies or

[3:01:55] Voice 8: First Nations that could require the lot lines to change

[3:02:00] Voice 9: then it makes sense to get those sorted

[3:02:05] Voice 9: before the development permit is issued the risk there is on the applicant receiving a permit

[3:02:13] there's something they cannot actually do so then they would need to reapply and go through

[3:02:21] the whole process again delaying

[3:02:24] Voice 8: decisions until those issues are resolved might actually save the

[3:02:30] Voice 8: outcome time

[3:02:31] Voice 9: and money well that's helpful um and in

[3:02:38] Voice 8: the fact that if we provide a development

[3:02:41] Voice 8: permit we're in the church in that between the lines we approved a development permit today

[3:02:46] Voice 8: that impacted on a portion of the land

[3:02:51] Voice 8: that that aspect of that development permit

[3:02:55] Voice 8: could not apply to,

[3:02:56] Voice 8: then a different development permit

[3:02:57] Voice 8: would have to be created

[3:02:59] Voice 8: in order to compensate

[3:03:00] Voice 8: for the changes in the nature of the land

[3:03:05] Voice 8: or identify changes in the nature of the land.

[3:03:07] Voice 8: That actually makes more

[3:03:09] Voice 9: sense to me

[3:03:09] Voice 9: than anything else.

[3:03:15] Voice 9: Notwithstanding the brilliant advice

[3:03:16] Voice 9: we got from the director,

[3:03:17] Voice 9: Okay. So thank you, David Marler.

[3:03:25] Voice 8: So we have a moved motion. I have to respect what that is. Whether or not we want to second that motion and advance it or advance something else, let's – do you know what the first motion was at this point we said?

[3:03:39] Voice 9: I didn't get it at all, and I don't think the motion has been

[3:03:41] Voice 9: seconded, and I didn't – that was the motion.

[3:03:44] Voice 9: i'm sorry why

[3:03:45] Voice 5: did you not i just said i

[3:03:47] Voice 9: would be prepared to say yeah such a motion asking for

[3:03:51] Voice 9: a deferral of only 30 like only one more trust meeting okay so then you have a motion

[3:04:00] Voice 9: you do have a question no did you say i've said two yes so i have a motion that states

[3:04:07] Voice 9: uh move that the gabriel island local trust committee defers consideration

[3:04:11] Voice 9: consideration of this development program until such time as the larger issues of protection of Sudanese First Nations cultural heritage sites are met.

[3:04:22] Voice 7: And that motion.

[3:04:27] Voice 9: Okay, so I don't know that that's a specific thing, but I think if

[3:04:34] Voice 9: we're deferring, we want to be specific.

[3:04:36] Voice 9: My deferral, willing this to second, is based specifically on what Director Cermak told us, that we could ask

[3:04:46] Voice 9: regarding the new covenants, and if staff could get more information on those covenants

[3:04:53] Voice 9: before our next local trust committee meeting, I'd be willing to defer this DP decision only to the new covenants.

[3:05:03] Voice 8: Sure. Mac, are you still on the line?

[3:05:05] Voice 8: The

[3:05:05] Voice 9: first part was request that the chair write a letter to the ARC branch requesting confirmation of the agreements securing the covenants,

[3:05:12] Voice 9: specifically protecting the Indigenous cultural heritage space.

[3:05:14] Voice 9: is in the first part

[3:05:17] Voice 9: you don't

[3:05:19] Voice 9: it's in the same email

[3:05:20] Voice 9: I do have that

[3:05:22] Voice 9: sorry I apologize

[3:05:25] Voice 9: that's not the motion

[3:05:26] Voice 9: which is the piece

[3:05:28] Voice 9: that we're getting

[3:05:32] Voice 9: but I don't

[3:05:34] Voice 9: actually have a motion

[3:05:40] Voice 9: so that's fine so let's just

[3:05:42] Voice 7: think about this

[3:05:42] Voice 7: motion

[3:05:43] Voice 7: and

[3:05:44] Voice 7: And, and so there's director Cermak, do you have a suggestion for

[3:05:54] Voice 8: the specifics, and I think you understand what it is that we're asking for, but the relationship between the

[3:06:01] Voice 8: ARC branch covenant and the assurance of development permit where the details of the development permit in relation to the sub-division

[3:06:12] are

[3:06:13] Voice 9: not at this time clear.

[3:06:15] Voice 9: So we need more information about that process

[3:06:18] Voice 9: and

[3:06:20] Voice 7: certainty that these locations

[3:06:22] Voice 7: will be protected as ultimately planned

[3:06:24] Voice 7: rather than us stumble with wording

[3:06:30] Voice 7: that may be insufficient.

[3:06:32] Voice 2: If you would like, Mr. Chair,

[3:06:35] Voice 2: I'd be happy to sort of type something up

[3:06:37] Voice 2: and then forward it to the staff

[3:06:38] Voice 2: because my preference for helping guide LTCs

[3:06:43] Voice 2: through resolution wording

[3:06:44] Voice 2: wording is that the Gabriel LTC request staff report back on and then you list the following

[3:06:51] Voice 2: items and the wording for this particular one might be there's there's a I'm hearing a bunch

[3:06:56] Voice 2: of different things about you know legal questions and ARC branch questions and covenant questions

[3:07:01] Voice 2: so if it if it pleases the chair I'd be happy to type something up send it to staff and or

[3:07:07] Voice 2: yourselves and then we you can start sort of filling in those specifics that you're asking

[3:07:13] Voice 2: But I think Director Marler talking about, you know, in his discussion to you, I'm hearing like three or four different conversations kind of thing.

[3:07:23] Voice 2: So I think the best thing to do is request staff to report back on specific items, including, as you said, matters related to the, you know, First Nations issues, matters related to covenant, matters related to the subdivision application process, if it exists or not.

[3:07:42] Voice 2: and other other jurisdictional issues that may be affected by the development permit

[3:07:47] Voice 2: or something like that but so i'm hearing like three or four but honestly i'm much better at

[3:07:52] Voice 2: typing and seeing words than i am verbally start

[3:07:54] Voice 8: typing but let me um add my process

[3:07:59] Voice 8: flavor to it is what we're the motion at hand i think we've maybe gotten to a place where we

[3:08:05] Voice 8: think that's what we're going to do is we're going to defer the decision on this because

[3:08:10] Voice 8: because what's before us is the central decision

[3:08:13] Voice 8: on this development permit.

[3:08:15] Voice 8: So we're going to defer the permit for these reasons,

[3:08:18] Voice 8: and you've just articulated that,

[3:08:21] Voice 8: that we need this information from these other agencies

[3:08:23] Voice 8: so that we can defer this permit

[3:08:26] Voice 8: until staff obtain the following information.

[3:08:30] Voice 8: I think that's what you're implying that you'd like to see.

[3:08:33] Voice 2: I think that's clearest for staff to be able to provide the LTC

[3:08:37] Voice 2: with the information they need to make a decision.

[3:08:39] Voice 2: That is correct.

[3:08:40] Voice 8: Right.

[3:08:41] Voice 8: And then so we're being clear about what we're asking for, and the applicant can be clear

[3:08:45] that this is the

[3:08:46] Voice 8: further information that we need in order to advance this development.

[3:08:53] Voice 2: That's correct.

[3:08:53] Voice 2: And I would even encourage perhaps one thing that I haven't mentioned, and it really just

[3:08:58] Voice 2: sounds like staff, maybe one of the elected officials and the applicant might all like

[3:09:03] Voice 2: to go together and talk to a First Nations representative and sort of iron out some of

[3:09:07] Voice 2: the details that might be included in your resolution that may

[3:09:11] Voice 9: be harder to facilitate

[3:09:13] Voice 9: indeed

[3:09:13] Voice 2: because

[3:09:15] Voice 9: we can't obviously control agencies but you

[3:09:21] Voice 2: could request staff to try well

[3:09:24] Voice 9: i think

[3:09:25] Voice 8: that would be a second motion let's deal with the issue at hand and then if there's any even legal

[3:09:31] Voice 8: opinions and otherwise there may be a number of other things that we want to solicit but obviously

[3:09:36] Voice 8: you need to work it that is all happened within a window of time which i would respect should be

[3:09:43] Voice 8: 30 days our next lpc it

[3:09:46] Voice 9: doesn't need to be 30 days i'm sorry because we can't keep doing this

[3:09:51] Voice 9: so um i have a suggested wording for this first motion

[3:10:00] Voice 9: that we can start with and then we can add what stefan has talked about so here's my

[3:10:07] Voice 9: suggested motion i move that the gabriel island local traffic committee defer until

[3:10:14] Voice 7: the october

[3:10:16] Voice 7: local trust committee approval of development permit gb ep

[3:10:26] Voice 9: 2021.1 pending information from staff

[3:10:33] Voice 9: regarding and then the list of items that's

[3:10:38] Voice 8: interesting step on so can you feel what right

[3:10:41] Voice 8: type out the regarding part forward that to uh lisa she's the one

[3:10:46] Voice 7: that's going to leave the

[3:10:48] Voice 7: motion now once we've got it and we'll see if everybody agrees with that it's going the right

[3:10:55] Voice 7: direction

[3:10:57] Voice 9: you're saying just for approval but really we need to take that into consideration

[3:11:02] Voice 9: yeah just

[3:11:03] Voice 9: the resolution would be to

[3:11:06] Voice 9: okay so

[3:11:11] Voice 2: for clarity mr chair are you asking me to draft up those regarding bullets yeah

[3:11:16] Voice 6: yeah okay

[3:11:17] Voice 2: Okay, so I'm going to draft something up.

[3:11:19] Voice 2: I'll forward it to the staff that are in the audience

[3:11:22] Voice 2: so that they can help fine-tune it and get it to you.

[3:11:24] Voice 2: Okay, I'm going to go on mute so I can think.

[3:11:27] Voice 9: Yes, thank you.

[3:11:28] Voice 9: Sorry to put you under the impression.

[3:11:30] Voice 2: I love it, no problem.

[3:11:34] Voice 9: So, Chair Luckham, I did say approval

[3:11:37] Voice 9: because we have already considered it.

[3:11:40] Voice 9: So I'm not sure we can defer consideration.

[3:11:44] Voice 9: I think we're very much in that.

[3:11:46] Voice 9: Wow.

[3:11:46] Voice 9: But maybe we can have some advice.

[3:11:49] Voice 9: Yeah, I think there's some semantics

[3:11:50] Voice 9: that should have been done, but I'm happy

[3:11:53] Voice 7: to agree.

[3:11:55] Voice 9: You can, for the

[3:11:58] Voice 9: motion, you can warrant

[3:12:00] Voice 9: deferred decision.

[3:12:03] Voice 9: Because you're still considering

[3:12:05] Voice 9: whether to approve or deny.

[3:12:09] Voice 9: And once

[3:12:10] Voice 9: the director sends us more

[3:12:12] Voice 9: information,

[3:12:14] Voice 9: I'm sure you guys are following

[3:12:16] Voice 9: where we're at. No, I've never heard

[3:12:19] Voice 9: what David Warner said.

[3:12:25] Voice 9: so this is in relation to assurance that the proposal for which a permit is being applied

[3:12:33] Voice 9: is possible so you're applying for a permit but it's in regard to a larger proposal and we want

[3:12:42] Voice 9: to make sure it's possible if there are additional requirements

[3:12:45] Voice 7: by other agencies

[3:13:03] Voice 7: cannot actually do so

[3:13:05] Voice 9: then they would need to reapply and go through the whole process again

[3:13:09] Voice 9: the lane decision until those issues are resolved might actually save the applicant time and money

[3:13:16] Voice 9: but that's related to the subdivision an eventual process which we've been talking about we're not

[3:13:22] Voice 9: talking about subdivision it's about our private land it's a process that you may sell and you

[3:13:28] Voice 9: it's whatever it's going to happen we need to focus on whatever

[3:13:37] Voice 9: i i just i'm bewildered why i would change my lot lines if i if i came up with something that

[3:13:44] Voice 9: i thought was the best case scenario what does it demand what is the development permit

[3:13:52] Voice 5: Does that have to

[3:13:53] Voice 9: do with the lot lines? I'm confused here.

[3:13:56] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:13:56] Voice 9: I'm confused.

[3:13:57] Voice 8: Yeah, no, that's a good question. And social development permit is our authority to permit

[3:14:04] Voice 8: certain activity on, let's

[3:14:07] Voice 8: just say, a square foot piece of land. And so if we said, yeah,

[3:14:11] Voice 8: you could clear cut that, you could clear cut that. But if there's an

[3:14:14] Voice 8: art site on there,

[3:14:15] Voice 8: you can't, we wouldn't want a development permit that was in conflict with

[3:14:19] Voice 9: the art branch.

[3:14:20] Voice 9: But will we already know that there's these other provisos, like, you know, we already

[3:14:31] Voice 8: know all.

[3:14:32] Voice 8: It says we're already protected legislatively.

[3:14:34] Voice 8: Yes, but if we haven't put a development permit around that allowed conflicting activity then

[3:14:39] Voice 8: then we're liable.

[3:14:41] Voice 8: We're not liable so much, but they're in common.

[3:14:44] Voice 8: It's better if the legislation is in harmony

[3:14:48] Voice 9: with each other, there's some sense, it makes

[3:14:52] Voice 9: sense but it seems to me

[3:14:55] Voice 8: they are insane because the development permit allows for the rules of

[3:14:59] Voice 8: treatment and the heritage branch requires no work to be done in the name yeah a a known recorded

[3:15:05] Voice 8: site the protection is already there yeah i don't know what the question is because they're protected

[3:15:12] Voice 8: legislatively yeah so you see you're ahead of us that may very well be the answer that comes back

[3:15:19] Voice 8: Yeah, thanks. I think my question, I'm just not sure what any of this has to do with the criteria to develop a permit.

[3:15:29] Voice 9: Well, I guess the underlying question is,

[3:15:33] Voice 8: can we apply a development permit area, activities associated permitted to a development permit, to a known archaeological site? I think that's really...

[3:15:45] Voice 9: That's the legal question. That

[3:15:48] Voice 9: is the legal question.

[3:15:50] Voice 9: that's what we need a legal opinion is does does the ltp have the jurisdiction to apply

[3:15:56] Voice 9: development permit area and they're still outstanding on an archaeology site

[3:16:02] Voice 9: um

[3:16:03] Voice 7: so we're waiting for some wording here

[3:16:11] Voice 9: i think renee you're going to get something

[3:19:14] Voice 7: I have a clear

[3:19:43] Voice 9: No, I'm just saying.

[3:20:09] Voice 9: Your legal opinion is

[3:20:11] Voice 9: Sarah presented

[3:20:11] Voice 9: to you, Stephanie

[3:20:13] Voice 9: and your face.

[3:20:21] Voice 9: The legal opinion doesn't

[3:20:27] Voice 9: it's sometimes 30 days.

[3:24:57] Voice 7: Okay, so let's focus back on the table here.

[3:25:01] Voice 7: So I'll ask you to read the motion.

[3:25:06] Voice 9: we're in the chair what i've sent to the minute taker is suggest for suggested wording on motion

[3:25:14] Voice 9: from your sermon and based on the conversation at the table capturing two more listed items

[3:25:24] Voice 9: to make sure that makes sense about the covenant and clarification that

[3:25:33] Voice 9: that we don't need to defer.

[3:25:35] Voice 9: We don't need to listen to the motion to defer decision

[3:25:39] Voice 9: if the LTC is seeking answers to questions.

[3:25:44] Voice 9: We don't need to .

[3:25:46] Voice 9: So

[3:25:46] Voice 8: we just don't need to consider it.

[3:25:48] Voice 9: We don't need to include the deferment.

[3:25:51] Voice 9: Let me follow

[3:25:51] Voice 7: up with this one.

[3:25:53] Voice 7: That's right.

[3:25:54] Voice 7: That's fine.

[3:25:55] Voice 7: It was moved that the Game Grower Island Local Trust

[3:26:12] Voice 9: Committee request staff report back about the fraud

[3:26:15] Voice 9: discussion with the Archaeological Branch

[3:26:17] Voice 9: regarding the status of the subject area and any potential concerns it may have on issuance

[3:26:23] Voice 9: of an development permit, whether the development permit can be conditional to requiring an

[3:26:28] Voice 9: archaeological covenant, and whether the local trust committee has jurisdiction to issue

[3:26:34] Voice 9: an development permit on an unarchaeological site.

[3:26:39] Voice 7: Very good.

[3:26:41] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:26:44] Voice 9: Can you read it again, please?

[3:26:45] Voice 9: then the gabriel island local trust committee requests staff to report back about the following

[3:26:51] Voice 9: discussion with the archaeological branch archaeology archaeology branch regarding

[3:26:57] Voice 9: the status of the subject area and any potential concerns it may have on issuance of the development

[3:27:03] Voice 9: any concerns the art franchise okay

[3:27:10] Voice 9: whether the development permit can be conditional to acquiring an archaeological covenant and

[3:27:16] Voice 9: whether the local trust committee has jurisdiction issue a development permit on a noah archaeological

[3:27:21] Voice 7: site that's good everybody group that group okay

[3:27:31] Voice 9: so somebody prepared to move to that i will move

[3:27:35] Voice 9: no i wouldn't thank you take my resolution from me that's what i'm saying

[3:27:42] Voice 9: actually move the motion all right do we need to discuss this any further all right so then

[3:27:54] Voice 9: i'll call for the vote on the motion all those in favor thank you i do have a second resolution

[3:28:00] Voice 9: you have a second resolution i surprisingly um i know that our dp process does not trigger a

[3:28:08] Voice 9: referral to send in with first nation yes but in the correspondence that i've had with geraldine

[3:28:14] Voice 9: and desiree thomas who is the lands clerk they requested a referral to sfm on this file

[3:28:23] Voice 9: and said specifically have there it says erin joseph have toby connect with that email directly

[3:28:29] Voice 9: So Desiree Thomas is the land clerk. She called me on Friday, September 1st, when I was in the middle of a South Pender LTC meeting, chairing.

[3:28:42] Voice 9: I couldn't get the call. She urgently wanted to speak about this file.

[3:28:46] Voice 9: I've called her back multiple times and not been able to connect. She's very busy.

[3:28:50] Voice 9: But they have set up

[3:28:52] Voice 9: a referral process that is based on consent, prior consent.

[3:28:57] Voice 9: site. We will see this in the BC Ferries development application, what that looks like. Our DP

[3:29:03] Voice 9: does not trigger a referral to Synamic, but I would argue that because their interest

[3:29:10] Voice 9: and their core concern in this site is so relevant and consistent that this LTC should

[3:29:18] Voice 9: refer the matter for consideration through the Synamic First Nations referral process

[3:29:23] Voice 9: process for their

[3:29:25] Voice 9: comments i'll second that for discussion any possibility and did you mean this

[3:29:34] Voice 9: one specifically the entire dp process and where are we at now because as the proponent has said

[3:29:41] Voice 9: they've had conversations with the art branch in sonoma i've had some conversations with people

[3:29:47] Voice 9: who are not on council or leadership yet we're getting directed to the referral process to say

[3:29:54] Voice 9: say, do your work, go through our process to get our comments and tell that time.

[3:30:00] Voice 9: they're not going to respond to emails they'll respond to a journal process that goes through

[3:30:05] Voice 9: the channels and we need to respect that so can you hear what the motion might be the direction

[3:30:15] Voice 9: at the end um did the gabriel island local trust committee refer the development process

[3:30:21] Voice 9: to the standing first nation for their comments yeah so that

[3:30:29] Voice 7: just needs to be development permit

[3:30:30] Voice 7: permit 2021.1 nothing but process it's just

[3:30:37] Voice 9: yeah this this development permit should should be

[3:30:42] Voice 9: referred if our process doesn't trigger but they're asking for a referral and then they

[3:30:48] Voice 9: go through the proper channels for their action there we go thank you yeah and we may have to

[3:30:59] Voice 9: figure out how to pay a fee

[3:31:02] Voice 9: pardon me chair if there's a motion okay oh i say okay so no concerns about them seems to

[3:31:10] Voice 9: mean that we're just referring to the name of

[3:31:11] Voice 9: it they can respond to maybe an application

[3:31:13] Voice 9: food associated with that so the chair is there a time frame to include a resolution

[3:31:21] Voice 9: or for receiving performance back for you know since how many days normally well the pre um

[3:31:28] Voice 9: there's no there wasn't a time set in the previous resolution but an understanding

[3:31:35] Voice 9: deferring within a reason well i

[3:31:37] Voice 9: honestly would like to have a come back to you

[3:31:39] Voice 9: for our next meeting that may be possible so you can provide an update

[3:31:45] Voice 7: um

[3:31:52] Voice 7: So moved, seconded, all those in favor?

[3:31:57] Voice 9: Just a quick question, is that going to Desmond's?

[3:32:00] Voice 9: She is the last one, I'm assuming.

[3:32:05] Voice 9: Thank you everybody for the...

[3:32:07] Voice 9: So does that conclude what we want to do today on this?

[3:32:13] Voice 9: Yes.

[3:32:16] Voice 9: the chair was there any other uh i wanted to check in with the particular

[3:32:21] Voice 9: motions out there there's two motions um floating that haven't been seconded well the legal opinion

[3:32:31] Voice 9: there's one about writing a letter to the french i think we've captured the legal events

[3:32:36] Voice 9: i would

[3:32:40] Voice 8: suggest that those two motions were not seconded

[3:32:43] Voice 8: and so we can certainly retain them as the an intent and then just indicate they were not

[3:32:49] Voice 8: seconded but then it's on public record

[3:32:52] Voice 9: uh as opposed to just disappearing so i'd say this

[3:32:56] Voice 9: came from a public record not seconded and we ended up with this final version so now if there's

[3:33:01] Voice 9: any further action that we would like that we anticipate we might want to make i think that we

[3:33:09] Voice 9: should do that now rather than doing it at the next meeting because we do need to be administratively

[3:33:16] Voice 9: there yeah um so does this ltc need more information from previous documents the public

[3:33:26] Voice 9: hearing records whatever has been made so that we can make decisions in the future with the fullest

[3:33:33] Voice 9: information. I have seen certain letters you haven't seen them and it's not fair

[3:33:38] Voice 9: to this decision-making body that we don't, we haven't waded through all these

[3:33:42] Voice 9: previous decisions. Except we're conflicting some of the applications and the development of the application. We can't do that.

[3:33:52] Voice 9: I'm not talking about this development. This is an ongoing issue that is

[3:33:57] Voice 9: perhaps affecting our relationship with Sinema. I learned through this

[3:34:01] Voice 9: process that back in 2005 that the request of the nation was the protocol agreement that's why we

[3:34:08] Voice 9: have the protocol agreement in 2008 was they requested it because of all of this stuff that

[3:34:14] Voice 9: was happening without their consent yeah and so there's history here that is not just constrained

[3:34:20] Voice 9: by our development permit there's all the development in the land in the area because

[3:34:25] Voice 9: the sensitive cultural sites and we need to have that

[3:34:28] Voice 9: that's much bigger question i've asked to

[3:34:31] Voice 9: have the public hearing files pulled and made available to this ltc so that we can and that

[3:34:37] Voice 9: came about last week yeah yeah okay so so then we will see that hopefully yeah yeah

[3:34:44] Voice 9: one for that one for sure okay

[3:34:47] Voice 7: i have just two questions um how do we get the information

[3:34:57] Voice 7: that you may have to

[3:34:58] Voice 8: be entitled to it it

[3:34:59] Voice 7: will become available

[3:35:00] Voice 8: as a public document in um

[3:35:04] Voice 8: assuming it's not a legal opinion um in the next agenda when we receive it it will be available

[3:35:09] Voice 8: and what about conversations between trustees and and what does that get recorded that is not

[3:35:15] Voice 8: before department minister we

[3:35:17] Voice 9: get to have leadership to leadership conversations if

[3:35:20] Voice 9: there's a pertinent issue and we need to find out information that's encouraged but we're not at

[3:35:26] Voice 9: that point of your application is regarding this property and i'm assuming that you're having the

[3:35:32] Voice 9: same conversations you need to have we haven't been trying to vote either we're private people

[3:35:39] Voice 9: yeah

[3:35:39] Voice 8: but the difference is we're dealing with ministry transportation in the heritage branch

[3:35:48] Voice 8: they have a jurisdiction for these stations that we have they have some division approved

[3:35:52] Voice 8: and they have heritage archaeological protection yeah so

[3:35:56] Voice 8: all that communications with those bodies

[3:35:58] Voice 8: i'm quite happy to send you copies of everything we communicate with them and the heritage

[3:36:04] Voice 8: to make no progress is that something you require i would say sure you're free to do that if you wish

[3:36:13] Voice 8: but you know the dilemma we face is we come here and then someone refers to a 2005 letter

[3:36:20] Voice 8: and we have had no opportunity to present the information so it puts us in a reopen spot

[3:36:27] Voice 8: and it ends it's it's kind of the inference that their letter is correct and we've done

[3:36:33] Voice 8: something wrong in their property when we've addressed this with them in Louisiana and the

[3:36:38] Voice 8: area so I just didn't feel it unfair to me that you came to come up with that

[3:36:50] Voice 9: yeah so I think I need to on the record ask

[3:36:55] Voice 7: the question what I sense here

[3:36:59] Voice 7: is that your position your personal position is speaking to me

[3:37:06] Voice 9: your position seems to be that you you will not support any developed permit or anything

[3:37:18] Voice 9: issued on the property you

[3:37:22] Voice 6: know i don't

[3:37:23] Voice 8: i don't know if this is going to get us very far what

[3:37:26] Voice 8: about we're talking about you've mentioned

[3:37:28] Voice 9: it several times tonight we need their consent

[3:37:31] Voice 9: is

[3:37:33] Voice 8: that your position

[3:37:34] Voice 9: my understanding of the legislation guiding the province right now

[3:37:40] Voice 9: is that the underlying rights of indigenous nations are to be respected and are not superseded

[3:37:51] Voice 9: by the applicants and private property rights and the fact that local government does not yet

[3:37:56] Voice 9: at have direction in the form of the statutory laws that guide us, our local government act

[3:38:03] Voice 9: and the Islands Trust Act has not been modified yet to align with the Declaration Act.

[3:38:09] Voice 9: My position is that the underlying rights of Indigenous nations are of equal importance

[3:38:17] Voice 9: to private property owner rights, and that we need to respect those principles and they

[3:38:23] Voice 9: guide our decision making where our process is faulty and flawed and is based on a lack

[3:38:32] Voice 9: of understanding of those rights that process is a mistake we're going to try to correct that as we

[3:38:39] Voice 9: move in a better way that respecting indigenous rights is on equal party with all the other rights

[3:38:46] Voice 9: of that we hold statutorily in canada so that's how i approach everything and we just want to

[3:38:55] Voice 9: have assurance that those rights are secured through covenant and that we're not trespassing

[3:39:01] Voice 9: and making a mistake in our local government's efforts to do the right thing i want to hear in

[3:39:10] Voice 9: the records but forgetting the first part the last part we 100 agree the archaeological sites

[3:39:20] Voice 9: are protected

[3:39:21] Voice 8: by legislation and will be protected by registered covenants

[3:39:24] Voice 8: and that's why i signed this whole process on yeah there is some priority we would like to seek with

[3:39:31] Voice 8: respect to the conflict of the church on a known archaeological site i think that's a reasonable

[3:39:37] Voice 8: whole thing for us to ask for and i've seen where that goes and we've referred it to the first

[3:39:41] Voice 8: nations and that will be whatever response comes back with the public wonderful thank you for

[3:39:46] Voice 8: thank you so

[3:39:48] Voice 9: sorry so next meeting is it like for this issue october

[3:39:55] Voice 8: the 26th yeah

[3:39:57] Voice 9: but and then

[3:39:59] Voice 9: there's no more deferrals and delays there may or may not be a staff report by then

[3:40:07] Voice 9: it doesn't have a time frame well

[3:40:08] Voice 8: we're going to try our best to have a staff report and we will

[3:40:12] Voice 8: see how that unfolds i can't fatter the decision with the ltc in advance of seeing the materials

[3:40:18] Voice 8: that we get and obviously the answer may surprise us i don't

[3:40:23] Voice 10: this

[3:40:24] Voice 9: is really really difficult for us

[3:40:28] Voice 9: these questions should have been asked before yes

[3:40:34] Voice 9: this is just delay delay delay delay i i hope you understand we don't want to delay this time

[3:40:40] Voice 9: frank i don't think we have any difference of opinion about anything that's been said

[3:40:46] Voice 9: uh i i i think the

[3:40:50] Voice 8: dp should for the for the administrative reasons but in terms of the

[3:40:55] Voice 8: conversation around the first nation's rights yeah i don't any of us disagree it's just

[3:41:00] Voice 8: uh where

[3:41:01] Voice 9: i disagree if i don't think their rights uh supersede our rights you

[3:41:09] Voice 8: know our property as

[3:41:10] Voice 8: long as we have appropriate you know conversation i

[3:41:13] Voice 9: don't want to have that option

[3:41:15] Voice 8: thank

[3:41:16] Voice 9: you thank

[3:41:17] Voice 9: you so a little while um i do have one comment

[3:41:25] Voice 9: And it's not related to our group or anything like that.

[3:41:33] Voice 9: And

[3:41:34] Voice 5: before I say that,

[3:41:35] Voice 9: I want to thank my colleague for reminding us what is lacking in our course.

[3:41:44] Voice 9: It's just so, and we are stuck so often in this horrible abyss of knowing morally and ethically what we should be doing and not,

[3:41:54] Voice 9: and having such a difficult time doing it.

[3:41:58] Voice 9: And bringing in people, applicants in similar difficult positions.

[3:42:05] Voice 9: What do we do now?

[3:42:07] Voice 9: Well, I'm putting in jeopardy our relationship with the nation.

[3:42:10] Voice 9: Why has things come to an advance?

[3:42:12] Voice 9: Is it because these larger questions keep returning to them

[3:42:15] Voice 9: and they keep saying the same thing to protect our cultural heritage?

[3:42:19] Voice 9: And so it's linkage of that.

[3:42:21] Voice 9: What is the basis of asking to have a relationship?

[3:42:29] Voice 8: We're not going

[3:42:29] Voice 8: to solve this here today.

[3:42:30] Voice 9: No, but thank you for your unbelievable patience.

[3:42:35] Voice 9: Okay, so

[3:42:36] Voice 9: I want to go to 8.2.

[3:42:38] Voice 8: Oh,

[3:42:38] Voice 9: hang on just a second.

[3:42:39] Voice 9: You

[3:42:40] Voice 8: know,

[3:42:41] Voice 9: when it comes to this development program, we already know that it's big enough for a long time.

[3:42:48] Voice 9: One of the biggest roles has nothing to do with restrictions.

[3:42:50] Voice 9: It has to do with the fact that the Stantec report from 2021, that it was a geological

[3:42:59] Voice 9: report saying it's fine to take the trees off of this 80% soil level plot.

[3:43:05] Voice 9: I mean, I read this whole report twice, all the way through, carefully.

[3:43:09] Voice 9: That Stantec report, it says that it is our opinion that the interpretations and conclusions

[3:43:18] Voice 9: It's a previous report, in 2010, the geological hazard report with respect to hazard zones

[3:43:26] Voice 9: at safe areas, low likelihood of landslide activity following logging that may occur

[3:43:32] Voice 9: on the steep slopes forming the hazard zones are still valid.

[3:43:35] Voice 9: How can a 2010 geological hazard report be valid in 2021 with climate emergency?

[3:43:42] Voice 9: It cannot.

[3:43:45] Voice 8: I'm not an expert, so I don't know.

[3:43:46] Voice 9: So that is one of the big things.

[3:43:49] Voice 9: Fair enough.

[3:43:50] Voice 9: Pretty shaky grounds.

[3:43:53] Voice 9: Really, I mean.

[3:43:54] Voice 9: Well, then you have to reject

[3:43:56] Voice 9: the report, actually.

[3:44:00] Voice 9: Anyway, that is just like, I've been focusing

[3:44:03] Voice 9: on the environmental aspects.

[3:44:05] Voice 9: Toby's been focusing on the nation's aspects.

[3:44:09] Voice 9: Everything is inadequate.

[3:44:11] Voice 9: Can

[3:44:11] Voice 5: we go to 8.3 now?

[3:44:12] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:44:14] Voice 8: So, Gabrielle, we'll be zoning 2023.1, BC Fairs.

[3:44:19] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:44:20] Voice 8: Time is in the neck.

[3:44:21] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:44:21] Voice 8: And thank you.

[3:44:22] Voice 8: I want to thank

[3:44:22] Voice 9: the staff for bearing with us in this difficult conversation.

[3:44:25] Voice 9: You've helped us immensely.

[3:44:29] Voice 9: So, this staff report is your first preliminary staff report of an application that previous

[3:44:36] Voice 9: local business may have considered before, and it provides you with the overview of the

[3:44:42] Voice 9: proposal which is also substantially similar to what the previous local trust committee considered

[3:44:46] Voice 9: in 2019 regarding the descanso bay rezoning or upgrade to a very small and we are identifying

[3:44:58] Voice 9: a conference of values planning issues and the opportunities associated with this application

[3:45:04] Voice 9: and the receiving direction from you today on next steps i do have updates that deviate from

[3:45:12] Voice 9: the recommendation that's in the staff report and that is at the time of report writing we were not

[3:45:17] Voice 9: in receipt of the written confirmation that you have in your agenda package under 11.10

[3:45:24] Voice 9: which you are copied on correspondence from so name of two bc fairies

[3:45:28] Voice 9: confirming which is what we've been asking for is confirmation that they are comfortable with

[3:45:34] Voice 9: this concurrent rebuilding application bylaw drafting bylaw legislative review process taking

[3:45:43] Voice 9: place um by the local trust committee while the securities continues to work with the nation

[3:45:53] Voice 9: on addressing their issues so now that we have that confirmation that changes our recommendation

[3:45:58] Voice 9: to you and you also received correspondence uh yesterday i forwarded email correspondence from

[3:46:05] Voice 9: the applicant who is on zoom i believe um joining you john john requesting that you consider

[3:46:14] Voice 9: alternative number three in the staff report which would be to give first reading to the draft

[3:46:21] Voice 9: bylaws which are substantially similar to the ones that were considered in 2019 2020 all right

[3:46:31] Voice 9: a few minor little tweaks that staff have made since we've had some time to reevaluate them so

[3:46:38] Voice 9: i would like to draw your attention to alternative theory in terms of those with the draft resolution

[3:46:46] Voice 9: that is provided to you for frustrating of both the official community planning bylaw

[3:46:53] Voice 9: and the land use bylaw right and having said that that sort of changes the focus of staff's

[3:46:59] Voice 9: presentation to you today because I would rather make sure that I answer any questions that you

[3:47:04] Voice 9: have about the substance of those two bylaws than the staff report which doesn't get into that level

[3:47:11] Voice 9: of detail because at the time we weren't contemplating the shooting because we didn't

[3:47:15] Voice 9: have the documentation that was needed. Yeah so thank you very much and I was really quite

[3:47:22] Voice 9: delighted to get the letter from John Stile because I was looking at alternative number

[3:47:29] Voice 9: number three myself but here's a really important question in my mind um number three where we refer

[3:47:36] Voice 9: um the draft bylaws to the pertinent uh first nations but we don't give it first reading

[3:47:46] Voice 7: yeah so well

[3:47:54] Voice 9: and does first but it's first reading necessary to trigger

[3:47:59] Voice 9: referral to these other agencies like we could do early referral to first nations which would

[3:48:04] Voice 9: be need to hold first reading in order to trigger trigger like basically get the work started which

[3:48:11] Voice 9: is what the applicants asking for yeah so through the chair you've got the option of doing early

[3:48:17] Voice 9: referrals the purpose of that is you are seeking targeted input in advance of the legislative

[3:48:23] Voice 9: review commencing formally because you're expecting input that will alter policy language

[3:48:31] Voice 9: or regulatory language or mapping amendments,

[3:48:34] Voice 10: or

[3:48:35] Voice 9: you're just seeking confidence that you're

[3:48:38] Voice 9: on the right track. The applicant is requesting readings because the legislative process will

[3:48:46] Voice 9: advance to all the affected agencies and nations and give you, well, some, hopefully, input

[3:48:55] Voice 9: prior to considering scheduling a public hearing or a second reading.

[3:48:59] Voice 9: We were quite comfortable with that because the only piece that we were recommending that

[3:49:06] Voice 9: you needed was that the matter with the name impersonation be resolved, that they were

[3:49:11] Voice 9: comfortable with this application proceeding at all, the reason why it didn't.

[3:49:15] Voice 9: The first time around is that there is an indication of dissatisfaction with the level

[3:49:20] Voice 9: of engagement and consultation between the applicant and the nation, so they needed the

[3:49:25] Voice 9: space and time to resolve protocol issues before the LTC could be bothered with looking

[3:49:32] Voice 9: at language with policies and regulations that may or may not even be implemented.

[3:49:36] Voice 9: So now that we have that, it doesn't seem like early referrals will really result in

[3:49:41] Voice 9: any additional information that you could potentially need when in fact you still have

[3:49:49] Voice 9: the ability to change the draft bylaws based on the input you receive from a formal first

[3:49:55] Voice 9: reading referral to all those other

[3:49:56] Voice 9: agencies that we also would like to hear from so I don't

[3:50:01] Voice 9: think it saves much time in the process or gives you a better value to just stick with

[3:50:09] Voice 10: I

[3:50:10] Voice 7: think that's really encouraging.

[3:50:14] Voice 7: So I propose

[3:50:16] Voice 9: to make a motion.

[3:50:17] Voice 8: Yeah, well, let's give the applicant who joined us here, John Steele.

[3:50:21] Voice 8: Thank you, option D.

[3:50:23] Voice 8: Thank you for writing to us and suggesting that we go with option number two.

[3:50:29] Voice 8: And so do you have any additional new information or remarks you'd like to share with the LTC?

[3:50:35] Voice 8: see and then uh it sounds like uh trustee is

[3:50:38] Voice 7: prepared to make a motion here so we'll see

[3:50:41] Voice 7: where that goes over to you john yes

[3:50:49] Voice 3: on behalf of bc ferries we we uh really prefer alternative

[3:50:54] Voice 3: three it allows us to deal with all the referrals at the same time rather than a linear process

[3:51:02] Voice 3: as i pointed out in my letter we did make the original application almost four and a half years

[3:51:09] Voice 3: years ago. And BC Ferries is keen to get going on this project. And the whole idea of it is not to

[3:51:17] Voice 3: their advantage, but to provide better service to the Gabriola Island community. And they've

[3:51:25] Voice 3: been working diligently, establishing a protocol with the Sonoma First Nation. And, you know,

[3:51:31] Voice 3: know, they're not concerned about this process going forward. BC Ferries has

[3:51:42] Voice 3: agreed with them that they will work through the Sonoma referral process at the same time as

[3:51:50] Voice 3: they're dealing with other folks. And ultimately, this is all going to come back to you several

[3:51:56] Voice 3: several times I'm sure and BC Ferries realizes you know their obligation and if they need to come to

[3:52:05] Voice 3: agreement with uh Sonoma First Nation so I think alternative three is a good solution for kind of

[3:52:13] Voice 3: moving this project ahead yeah thank you very much

[3:52:18] Voice 8: so I'll go to Trustee Yates if you have a motion

[3:52:23] Voice 8: from the bed

[3:52:23] Voice 7: i

[3:52:24] Voice 9: move that the gabriella island local trust committee um um give bylaw number

[3:52:32] Voice 9: 316 cited as gabriella official community plan bylaw number 166 1997 amendment number one 2023

[3:53:09] Voice 9: I just want to actually, yeah, sorry.

[3:53:17] Voice 9: Sorry, I think we jumped to them, but we should find a comfortable, but I did intend to give an overview of what you've never seen them, but

[3:53:27] Voice 9: if you're comfortable giving readings to the bylaws, having not discussed it, that would be

[3:53:32] Voice 9: great to jump, let's go.

[3:53:33] Voice 9: decision well no but i i would like some discussion because we've got a rezoning and a new

[3:53:42] Voice 9: dp and um marine lub zoning and it's there's a lot here

[3:53:48] Voice 10: and

[3:53:49] Voice 9: there's a process piece that i want

[3:53:51] Voice 9: to commend the former ltc and staff and the proponent thank you bc ferries for uh undertaking

[3:54:00] Voice 9: undertaking um to do the right thing in the right order and i i really do commend you um

[3:54:07] Voice 9: this it's it's hard to come at things the other way around and try to remedy it um and it's so

[3:54:13] Voice 9: much easier to see an application come to us where it has the support of some able person

[3:54:21] Voice 9: and we say yes you've done the right things and we're undertaking this process and

[3:54:27] Voice 9: and they're awaiting our decisions so this is it's such a complete change from um what we've

[3:54:35] Voice 9: been through before so i just want to commend you and thank you for uh respecting this enables

[3:54:41] Voice 9: process and our evolving process so uh do we have any questions on the actual

[3:54:52] Voice 8: So, you know, with respect to your question, you know, I think that first reading is less formal than many people think it is because they just think the first reading segment.

[3:55:06] Voice 8: But, you know, this is an intent. This is what we're intending to do. And then we're going to get feedback and we potentially will

[3:55:12] Voice 9: amend the plot law.

[3:55:14] Voice 9: And then we

[3:55:15] Voice 9: are definitely going to be looking at it in close detail.

[3:55:21] Voice 7: But

[3:55:21] Voice 9: it's essentially unchanged from

[3:55:24] Voice 7: the previous version.

[3:55:26] Voice 9: And I read the previous version backwards, forwards, and forwards.

[3:55:30] Voice 9: I'm sure you did.

[3:55:31] Voice 9: And I read this one the same way.

[3:55:32] Voice 8: Yeah, it translated into French.

[3:55:34] Voice 8: I

[3:55:34] Voice 9: didn't know what to say.

[3:55:37] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:55:38] Voice 9: This is a really important application that we have been long away from.

[3:55:42] Voice 9: And it's just so refreshing to see everything in the right order.

[3:55:47] Voice 7: So if there are any questions with respect to the bylaw, I'll probably go to the second one.

[3:56:04] Voice 7: Well, I'm still reading the report for a second.

[3:56:07] Voice 9: The staff did recommend the LTC send an early referral.

[3:56:11] Voice 9: So just to be clear, this referral to Sunemo and all the other patients is not going to proceed because we're in first reading.

[3:56:22] Voice 9: So in your opinion, it satisfies your recommendation?

[3:56:34] Voice 9: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 317, cited Gabriela

[3:56:42] Voice 9: Island land use bylaw number 177, 1999, amendment number 1, 2023, be read a first time.

[3:56:50] Voice 9: I'll second that.

[3:57:01] Voice 9: I'll move that proposed bylaw number 316 and proposed bylaw number 317 may refer to the

[3:57:11] Voice 9: following First Nations, local governments, and agencies for comment.

[3:57:16] Voice 9: So, under First Nations, Cowichan Tribes, Halal First Nation, Laiakse First Nation,

[3:57:23] Voice 9: Inalakit Tribes, Tsunema First Nation, Tumina First Nation, Tubasat First Nation.

[3:57:30] Voice 9: Under Local Governments and Agencies, Gabriela Advisory Planning Commission, Gabriela Ferry

[3:57:36] Voice 9: Advisory Committee, City of Nanaimo, Regional District of Nanaimo, Ministry of Transportation

[3:57:44] Voice 9: in structure, school district 58,

[3:57:48] Voice 9: Island's Trust Freshwater Specialist,

[3:57:50] Voice 9: and may I add here the Gabriela Housing

[3:57:53] Voice 9: Advice Regulation Commission.

[3:57:55] Voice 9: So it may not be specifically relevant.

[3:57:58] Voice 9: We may also have comments.

[3:58:01] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:58:03] Voice 9: If that's okay.

[3:58:05] Voice 7: Do you have a second?

[3:58:06] Voice 7: I can look.

[3:58:07] Voice 7: Are you ready to discuss?

[3:58:08] Voice 7: Almost okay.

[3:58:12] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:58:14] Voice 7: I think that concludes that.

[3:58:17] Voice 7: And that's great.

[3:58:19] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:58:20] Voice 8: Thank you very much,

[3:58:20] Voice 8: John, for joining us.

[3:58:21] Voice 8: You got your wish.

[3:58:22] Voice 8: And so we look forward to finalizing that process, working with you.

[3:58:30] Voice 3: I'm certainly glad it didn't take as long as the previous application.

[3:58:36] Voice 8: So thank

[3:58:36] Voice 3: you very much.

[3:58:39] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[3:58:41] Voice 8: So it has been brought to my attention that the Board of Directors

[3:58:45] Voice 8: and your board of directors have been very fortunate with us.

[3:58:47] Voice 8: And he has some other commitments.

[3:58:49] Voice 8: see if you'd like to get to outside there's two sections i think one being um the bylaw

[3:58:56] Voice 8: enforcement update and our short communication and the closed meeting section that he would like to

[3:59:02] Voice 9: uh provide us some information and i apologize for the inconvenience i would like to hear from

[3:59:08] Voice 9: that this time and then we'll come back to the remaining items

[3:59:12] Voice 9: so if i could get a motion to go in camera let me just ask you folks to step outside

[3:59:18] Voice 9: side. How long was the meeting? Should be more than 15 minutes. 15 minutes. Did you want to jump to the open item 13.9 first and then go to close?

[3:59:30] Voice 8: Oh, you're absolutely right about that. 13.9 first, which is an open item. Thank

[3:59:37] Voice 8: you. Thank you.

[3:59:40] Voice 8: Okay, so 13.9 is file enforcement update on short-lived engagement over to you, John.

[3:59:49] Voice 9: Good afternoon, Chair, Christine.

[3:59:51] Voice 9: That's what our report was requested regarding the current state of STVR enforcement and statistics for Gabriola.

[4:00:00] Voice 9: the recommendation here is that the gabriel outlook trust leaders team would work for information

[4:00:04] Voice 9: only uh we what we have is a summary of the statistics for the current number of open files

[4:00:10] Voice 9: for the closed and current number of open files for certification records i've provided in the

[4:00:17] Voice 9: background of the statistics for the total number of closed file uh going back 10 years which is 51

[4:00:25] Voice 9: uh we currently have 18 files open uh with a dozen of those being opened in 2023. and many

[4:00:36] Voice 7: of those

[4:00:36] Voice 9: 2023 files have been over less less than six months and they haven't been fully investigated

[4:00:43] Voice 9: uh so with the certification rentals are also that's what we commonly follow but in the bylaws

[4:00:50] Voice 9: commercial vacation rentals uh gabriel used permit

[4:00:54] Voice 8: and the regulations are very straightforward if

[4:00:59] Voice 8: you wish to operate a commercial vacation uh rental on your building permit uh approved by

[4:01:06] Voice 8: a local trust committee uh at the time of the writing of the report there

[4:01:11] Voice 9: were four permits

[4:01:12] Voice 9: It's issued an application in process, and as I stated in the report, this regulation is actually unique within all of the local trust areas, and it's really straightforward and unambiguous, and it provides for more straightforward enforcement.

[4:01:32] Voice 9: As it's very clear that the land use by law, if you wish to do this, you can do it in return.

[4:01:39] Voice 9: So there hasn't been the ongoing concerns about STPRs in the track of housing.

[4:01:44] Voice 9: The majority of the actual complaints that we have in the past 10 years come from chief

[4:01:48] Voice 9: complaints.

[4:01:49] Voice 9: So there isn't widespread complaints against individual STPRs.

[4:01:55] Voice 9: stvr's uh as it states the majority of the files are over 2020. we're only because of the able to

[4:02:01] Voice 9: see standing resolution on proactive enforcement so on average over a 10-year period there have

[4:02:09] Voice 9: been less than 10 over testing files at any one time and sort of a recent development over the

[4:02:16] Voice 9: past year year and a half is that a number of lawful bed and breakfast operations have received

[4:02:21] Voice 9: complaints there is some confusion or misinformation about whether or not a bed

[4:02:29] Voice 9: and breakfast is also a commercial vacation permit and

[4:02:33] Voice 9: they do not a bed

[4:02:35] Voice 9: and breakfast is lawful to operate without a permit so for the statistics that I

[4:02:42] Voice 9: provided I don't believe there's any indicate that there's an increase in

[4:02:46] Voice 9: STVR use there's sort of normal fluctuations and a lot of that is just

[4:02:52] Voice 9: due to new property owners coming onto the island and not being familiar with the requirement

[4:02:56] Voice 9: program and that that's the basic information statistics i have for the questions

[4:03:12] Voice 7: um yeah it's

[4:03:18] Voice 9: well i have a question because in this same staff report um and thank you very much because i know

[4:03:25] Voice 9: how much work you're projecting that we are within that standing resolution and i i would

[4:03:35] Voice 9: i would never want to do that i shouldn't say never i definitely don't want to do that

[4:03:41] Voice 9: so are we going to be talking about that well so chair the actual recommendations have to report

[4:03:48] Voice 9: for right information it's

[4:03:51] Voice 8: not the alternatives are presented to you uh as i say there are you

[4:03:56] Voice 8: know there's

[4:03:56] Voice 9: lots of resources that go towards proactive enforcement and you know we could focus

[4:04:02] our resources elsewhere that's just an alternative but

[4:04:07] Voice 9: there are trustees who do wish to end proactive

[4:04:09] Voice 9: enforcement on other islands for sdbrs so it's presented to you as just an alternative

[4:04:15] Voice 9: if you don't wish to pursue that program that's obviously consideration for providing stats for

[4:04:22] Voice 9: your information and they are really helpful so i do have a question um in your opinion

[4:04:30] Voice 9: would public education um of some kind to better advertise the requirements for a temporary permit

[4:04:40] Voice 9: meant um be helpful so through the chair from my experience um stv enforcement gabriel is actually

[4:04:50] Voice 9: very straightforward

[4:04:51] Voice 5: it's in the

[4:04:52] Voice 9: bylaw majority of the community knows it's in the bylaw and i don't

[4:04:58] Voice 9: know if there's any really further information campaign that can be done to make more people

[4:05:02] Voice 9: aware there are some people who believe that breakfast needs a permit that it doesn't but

[4:05:09] Voice 9: overall it's a very well-informed island about those regulations so it is the clearest those

[4:05:16] Voice 9: vertical vacations regulations in your land use by law that's all the low crust areas it's explicit

[4:05:25] Voice 9: do this you get a permit if i add this through all of them overall fewer unlawful operations

[4:05:32] Voice 9: so i really don't know what what else you can do the papers the sound has been good about

[4:05:37] Voice 9: publishing some of this information yeah it's all i believe is widely distributed

[4:05:42] Voice 9: and people for the most part know it's really new folks coming in

[4:05:45] Voice 9: and then they have to be educated on okay here's the rules yeah okay okay and are we achieving

[4:05:53] Voice 9: compliance in any of these files i mean there's still some that are open that are being

[4:06:00] Voice 9: investigated 51 closed files indicate okay achievement but you've got those folks who

[4:06:08] Voice 9: are applying for their permits or anything uh there are they're really off the top of my head

[4:06:14] Voice 9: there's one stubborn operator on the island

[4:06:17] Voice 5: yeah he's

[4:06:18] Voice 9: been fined multiple times and probably he

[4:06:21] Voice 9: doesn't sell his property the only way he's going to stop but that's the only standout

[4:06:27] Voice 9: thank you all right okay yes so i i know that there are probably a very few complainants

[4:06:36] Voice 9: but i also know from having conversations over the past several years that often neighbors are

[4:06:44] Voice 9: really reluctant because they're neighbors so what they say to me is well i'm really glad that

[4:06:52] Voice 9: i don't have to say anything i'm really glad that i don't have to report this because i know that

[4:06:56] Voice 9: you have proactive enforcement so these are people who you know know the bylaws fairly well they're

[4:07:01] Voice 9: all aware of what's required in gabriela and they have neighbors who are just flaunting bylaws

[4:07:09] Voice 9: you know knowingly but they feel that they they can't report them or they don't want to report

[4:07:14] Voice 9: them but they're comforting knowing that we have proactive enforcement so i have to agree with them

[4:07:21] Voice 9: on that and you know there's no indication that short-term vacation rental use is increasing

[4:07:30] Voice 9: well i sometimes wonder when i get the you know the reports from the public

[4:07:37] Voice 9: about yet another one um but maybe that's because we have proactive enforcement maybe people are

[4:07:44] Voice 9: aware that they're going to be careful that we don't do this and i also know that at least

[4:07:50] Voice 9: Let's see, Salisbury, Denman, Barnaby, and Maine do have proactive enforcement.

[4:07:57] Voice 9: And I know how much time that takes looking through the VRBO and the Airbnb and all that.

[4:08:04] Voice 9: I know how much time that takes.

[4:08:06] Voice 9: And I realize that's kind of a tiresome use of staff resources.

[4:08:11] Voice 9: But I'm also thinking it probably works.

[4:08:16] Voice 9: But those are my reasons for being reluctant.

[4:08:23] Voice 9: So there's no recommendation here to be that yeah yeah I know i'm sorry I meant like an alternative way of going about this, but i'm really glad that you put all of this in here it's it's super helpful.

[4:08:39] Voice 9: Okay, so we'll move along okay

[4:08:42] Voice 7: so emotional in camera, and now we will actually get.

[4:08:45] Voice 7: hits and i'm just going to leave that we're going to read that i'm turning over to you when you're

[4:08:56] Voice 7: ready thank you so here the germ's going

[4:09:06] Voice 9: to give a brief um report so it's brought forward to you

[4:09:11] Voice 9: today per uh recommendation um that staff um to request staff to prepare an agreement

[4:09:18] Voice 9: between the Chief Administrative Officer of the Adams Trust on behalf of the Local Trust Committee and between Sunimah First Nations to remove the fur capacity for Sunimah to work on the ecological protection zone project.

[4:09:37] Voice 9: There is currently budget within this project that we are able to provide capacity for Suning Rock to work with us on, to provide some of their comment to work through this project.

[4:09:52] Voice 9: So the, pardon me, the capacity agreement will allow the Islands Trust to support Suning Rock First Nation staff to review the project and the proposed bylaw in a meaningful way.

[4:10:06] Voice 9: and what will come of this will be some proposed by a lot information that will come back to the

[4:10:13] Voice 9: local trust community for review and for the next steps which will include so that will be

[4:10:21] Voice 9: later on as part of this process this overall process

[4:10:25] Voice 7: i'm happy to answer any questions

[4:10:31] Voice 7: Okay thank you. Great

[4:10:33] Voice 9: work. Thank you. So just so I understand where we're at in the process

[4:10:41] Voice 9: because this was started well before my time we did um within first reading and then we were

[4:10:50] Voice 9: waiting hearing back from after we gave first reading again in March 2023 and

[4:11:01] Voice 9: And so was there any indication, like, what was the conversation like, I guess, between

[4:11:12] Voice 9: Sinaloa staff and our staff that led to the decision that this was the best way to secure

[4:11:23] Voice 9: their engagement on the question?

[4:11:28] Voice 9: Part of the, through the chair's part of the background, so this, you're right, Trustee

[4:11:32] Voice 9: la this is um following first reading which is in march of this year um the file was referred

[4:11:38] Voice 9: stop referred by law to uh the name of the regional district conservancy

[4:11:45] Voice 5: um

[4:11:46] Voice 9: sent to us provided us a response um with a referral fee request to provide a referral

[4:11:56] Voice 9: For zoning applications, Islands Trust WK referral fees are provided for referral-free

[4:12:04] Voice 9: fees.

[4:12:05] Voice 9: So that looked at another potential opportunity, looking at other ways that could still provide

[4:12:16] Voice 9: SNNAM up with some capacity

[4:12:17] Voice 10: and

[4:12:19] Voice 9: took some brainstorming.

[4:12:20] Voice 9: so what came of that was this agreement using the existing project budget that funds were available

[4:12:30] Voice 9: to craft an agreement um it sampled off of another agreement that does have some capacity

[4:12:40] Voice 9: be worrying in it so and that would be signed between uh administratively between uh chief

[4:12:49] Voice 9: administrative officer and sunima so it's something newer for us in terms of a process

[4:12:56] Voice 9: and still trying to find ways to meaningfully um speak and speak with sunima because they've

[4:13:06] Voice 9: expressed their interest to want to have this conversation their interests for the application

[4:13:13] Voice 9: so i'm still finding out ways to still do this um where in my logistic box we are able to provide

[4:13:26] Voice 5: so

[4:13:27] Voice 9: we'll see how this goes but we're very excited

[4:13:30] Voice 9: thank you no further questions and i'm happy to make a motion okay

[4:13:39] Voice 5: no questions

[4:13:42] Voice 9: let's make the point i move that the gabriella island local trust committee requests staff to

[4:13:47] Voice 9: prepare an agreement between the chief administrative officer on behalf of the

[4:13:51] Voice 9: local trust committee and the tsunami first nation for capacity for work of up to two thousand dollars

[4:13:58] Voice 9: from the ecological protection zone project budget for the 2023-24 fiscal year to support

[4:14:06] Voice 9: supports the name to review the ecological protection zone project and proposed bylaws

[4:14:11] Voice 9: with islands trust planning staff second hand and

[4:14:16] Voice 7: second any further discussion all those in favor

[4:14:20] Voice 7: that carries

[4:14:20] Voice 9: excellent well this is exciting good work thank you

[4:14:25] Voice 9: so

[4:14:27] Voice 8: if there's no further business

[4:14:28] Voice 8: on that i'm going to go to 9.2 major project gabriel island comprehensive official community

[4:14:34] We've got a verbal update,

[4:14:37] Voice 8: and I see numbers of traffic has just beamed in from the Starship.

[4:14:41] Voice 10: And

[4:14:42] Voice 8: so I'm presuming that they're going to take command of the program.

[4:14:46] Voice 8: Thank you,

[4:14:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): Chair, Scotty.

[4:14:51] Voice 5: Captain to you.

[4:14:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): Captain, that's right.

[4:14:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, so I was just going to give you a little update of where things are at.

[4:15:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): and just also to just provide a little bit of yeah basically clarification around where we're

[4:15:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): at in the process so we are so as was decided at the previous meeting I guess the July meeting

[4:15:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's when the project charter was approved for this first phase which is an engagement phase

[4:15:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): phase. And so I will add that there's actually three things that are happening in this engagement

[4:15:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): phase. So the project charter supports an engagement phase with the community to sort

[4:15:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): of collect ideas about basically the vision for the community. So it's a bit of an open

[4:15:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): process with in that regard um so there's that process i'll go into a little bit further detail

[4:16:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): with that there's also at this at the same in the same period of time and so this is the time

[4:16:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): between now and essentially the end of march this fiscal um we have that engagement process

[4:16:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): process going on um staff basically me is reviewing the the OCP in detail um to look at

[4:16:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): like provincial requirements um other things that uh you know basic updates that will have to be

[4:16:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): made um looking at um you know some of the other things we'll be looking at also some of the

[4:16:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): feedback that's been um received from previous engagement work as well um so so that's all

[4:16:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): happening and then the third piece of this process is the first nations engagement so

[4:16:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): as i sort of briefly spoke to earlier um we are trying to figure out what that should look like

[4:16:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): and um um you know there's you know it's as as was discussed much you know earlier um you know

[4:17:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's a lot of discussions related to land use there's a specific very specific discussions were

[4:17:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): made to land use and within that there's some relationship building that's happening so

[4:17:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): we are working myself and renee um are working with robin um to you know

[4:17:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): and uh and we welcome trustees input on on this as well um to sort of develop a process that is

[4:17:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): going to you know also help us to get their input on the on the OCP process as well as other nations

[4:17:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): we like I mentioned before there there is this follow-up letter and it may be that we send a

[4:17:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): that follow-up letter to the other nations and we start to work with Suneymuk in other ways but we

[4:17:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): are in the process of developing that process so there's those are the three things so with

[4:18:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): With respect to the engagement process, you've seen sort of what the deliberations of the APC have been.

[4:18:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): And they're really sort of clear that they like the idea of a community-directed process and see a lot of need for some education around what an OCP is.

[4:18:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): And also, I was actually at the last APC meeting, and I think this was also reflected in their recommendations, was the need to find out from the community how they want to be engaged in the process.

[4:18:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so that's the question that we're going out to the community with at the fall fair.

[4:18:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we had identified the fall fair as being a soft launch.

[4:18:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so that's exactly what it is with the key question at this point being, how would you like to be engaged in this preliminary phase, which is really about envisioning what you want for the future of Gabriela, the Gabriela Visioning 2050.

[4:19:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): So part of this process will involve, to support the sort of community-led process,

[4:19:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): process. Staff has been designing an application form for funding. It's about, I think, $80,000

[4:19:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): that was allocated previously. The LTC had supported the staff recommendations related

[4:19:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): to budget allocation, and so we have some money that we can support local groups and

[4:19:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): and individuals who might want to facilitate discussions

[4:19:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): around what they'd like to see for Gabriela,

[4:19:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): what their vision for Gabriela is.

[4:19:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): They will be, we will have an application process for them.

[4:20:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): They can apply for funding to cover their meeting costs.

[4:20:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, you know, the room costs there,

[4:20:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): if they wanna have a note taker facilitator,

[4:20:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): if they want to have refreshments and and and we will be also creating a feedback

[4:20:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): form that that we we can receive their feedback in but they're also will be welcome to provide

[4:20:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): feedback in any form they'd like so those are the processes we've sort of got going on like in

[4:20:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): fairly fast order because I I was away all of August so came back and have been moving quite

[4:20:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): quite fast with the help of Chair Elliott as well,

[4:20:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): who's done some work in providing,

[4:20:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): helping with some of the design

[4:20:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): of the communications material.

[4:20:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): So that's sort of where things are at at the moment.

[4:20:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): And I welcome any questions you may have.

[4:21:02] Voice 9: Well, thank you for that detailed report.

[4:21:05] Voice 9: Yeah, do we have any idea how,

[4:21:07] Voice 9: Oh, sorry. How soon the framework for the feedback form might be ready and the sort of application form, what's sort of the timeline you're thinking?

[4:21:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): So right now we have posted on the website. So the first step is the how would you like to be involved?

[4:21:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, you know, we'll have the opportunity for direct feedback at the at the fall fair.

[4:21:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): and we've got got that on our website too we're working on um on the feedback template and i hope

[4:21:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): to have that within the next couple of weeks at the latest trying to get that up as soon as possible

[4:21:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): um and we've just you know we've i've i've been connecting with finance and um and chloe's been

[4:21:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): helping on designing a application form for um um for uh you know residents and groups to to um

[4:22:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): um to apply for funding so we'll hopefully have that up within days um is is what we're sort of

[4:22:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): shooting for so wow

[4:22:12] Voice 9: awesome thank you i i see the website and honestly morgana our communications

[4:22:18] Voice 9: vacations lead who's gone on vacation but we we met and she said what do you need and give me some

[4:22:27] Voice 9: words that she put this together and it's clear and it's on the website and i'm so happy with

[4:22:32] Voice 9: these communication materials this is this is under our yeah so you go to what right there

[4:22:41] Voice 9: that yeah

[4:22:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): we want to hear from you

[4:22:42] Voice 9: you're here that's fine that's okay don't worry about it oh

[4:22:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's a little typo well

[4:22:48] Voice 9: send their

[4:22:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): typo uh

[4:22:50] Voice 9: no typos so good project initiation

[4:22:53] Voice 9: yeah yeah so it seems fun okay so feedback give your feedbacks then oh

[4:23:04] Voice 8: so you know that's these

[4:23:05] Voice 8: arrows that have the uh product timeline on it and we use that kind of graphic for a we're here

[4:23:13] Voice 8: process right in the in the bylaw development and it's each step and the bolded one is usually the

[4:23:20] Voice 8: one where we are today whereas here there's an orange one which is at the end of the process

[4:23:24] Voice 8: which is success but where are we at at the moment we're at the beginning oh

[4:23:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): right so i see so an

[4:23:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): indication of of where we're at would be a good thing but these

[4:23:35] Voice 8: are obviously all printed and

[4:23:36] Voice 8: yeah

[4:23:36] Voice 9: so that's copied after that that's fine it's a very small thing it's beautiful work

[4:23:43] Voice 9: yeah um

[4:23:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): well through the chair i just i would just like to um like absolutely commend um my team

[4:23:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): because morgana has done an incredible job at whipping this together in a very short period

[4:23:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): of time before she went on on holiday and um and chloe as well has been um you know instrumental

[4:24:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): and ensuring that this stuff all come together in a fairly short period of time.

[4:24:08] Voice 9: Okay. Thank you.

[4:24:10] Voice 9: Great. Well, I'll see you at the fall fair, Maritza.

[4:24:14] Voice 9: Just for the public's information, I guess the plan is that we'll be there with a table.

[4:24:21] Voice 9: We've got these one-pagers, and people can tear off and enter a draw for a local basket of goodies,

[4:24:30] Voice 9: Harvest Baskets, and basically bribing people to participate, incentivizing people to participate,

[4:24:41] Voice 9: and also be trialing sort of a bit of a workshop idea in the poetry year.

[4:24:47] Voice 9: We don't know if it's going to work yet, but trying to get input in different ways, whether

[4:24:53] Voice 9: it's a sit-down coffee style chat, or people want to hashtag vision, give your little visioning

[4:24:59] Voice 9: 2050 and talk to a smartphone and upload that now it's it's all going to be fun

[4:25:06] Voice 9: iterative process we'll see what works with what time for the fall fair we'll be able to join 12

[4:25:13] Voice 9: to 6 so staff will be there at 10 30 to help us set up but 12 to 6 folks at the fall fair

[4:25:20] Voice 9: and there'll be dog parades and judging and other fun things so we'll be like hi

[4:25:25] Voice 9: i'll pay attention

[4:25:27] Voice 9: squash races um but yeah

[4:25:29] Voice 9: super grateful for how you pulled this together everybody has been

[4:25:33] Voice 9: marvelous okay yeah so we're going to be there i totally will be there i am going to be hopping

[4:25:40] Voice 9: between uh other things right that's usual yeah a different thing but that's fine um

[4:25:46] Voice 9: and i'm going to be missing the salt spring fall fair because it's the same day

[4:25:53] Voice 9: Okay, so just a couple comments. This is beautiful. We're dropping these off at public places in the village.

[4:26:01] Voice 9: I plan to take a nice big pile to the library this afternoon because that's a really good place to get people to do paper things.

[4:26:10] Voice 9: As I know from my own experience. So I'll do that. We've already dropped them off at one of our local cafes where we'll get a lot of them.

[4:26:18] Voice 9: And but I have a really important comment with regard to the one page kind of layout here.

[4:26:26] Voice 9: Nerissa, and I think this is the one that I showed you when I was in the office earlier this week.

[4:26:33] Voice 9: so on the web page that's not in our agenda but that's in the oh oh the charter is

[4:26:39] Voice 9: no previous because this is just a verbal update it's almost

[4:26:45] Voice 8: a verbal update that's not in our

[4:26:46] Voice 9: package it's the project charter though yeah okay well

[4:26:49] Voice 9: i better i should still talk to it

[4:26:51] Voice 9: before you can speak to it we have a learning to write in front of us there so in scope you've

[4:26:57] Voice 9: listed all the really important things but you've missed climate emergency and for me the three

[4:27:04] Voice 9: things for the updating of the policy statement and the updating of anybody's OCP has to have

[4:27:10] Voice 9: First Nations engagement, climate emergency and then all the rest. This is really a visioning

[4:27:17] Voice 9: process. Go ahead. Yeah

[4:27:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean I can I can speak to that like we are in a climate emergency

[4:27:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): um on a global level and and i know that like for us as as planners that is the that's the lens with

[4:27:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): which and at the islands trust um that's the lens with which we we look at everything so i'm happy

[4:27:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): to make that more explicit but i also want you to um just have the confidence that it is it it is

[4:27:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): it's what we look at everything through now.

[4:27:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): It's climate mitigation,

[4:27:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): but mostly climate adaptation at this point.

[4:28:02] Voice 9: Excellent, I have faith, thank you.

[4:28:05] Voice 9: So it's good to include the wording

[4:28:06] Voice 9: for that aren't planned.

[4:28:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, certainly, yeah.

[4:28:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): I understand that it's a bit of a communication thing

[4:28:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): and I'm happy to provide clarity

[4:28:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): where we're needed for the community.

[4:28:17] Voice 6: Perfect.

[4:28:18] Voice 9: And

[4:28:18] Voice 6: the reason I say that

[4:28:19] Voice 6: is because

[4:28:19] Voice 9: when we started talking about OCD updates we talked about three really important

[4:28:24] Voice 9: things coordination engagement housing and climate change so even though this may not be directly

[4:28:31] Voice 9: related to engagement because really it's more about overall planning as you're saying still

[4:28:36] Voice 9: those three things are still priorities for updates anything else on this topic no it looks

[4:28:45] Voice 9: looks great so i would like that question um

[4:28:48] Voice 8: where did we have a discussion of what came up earlier

[4:28:53] Voice 8: was steering committee versus apc and somewhere along this journey of the ocp i think we need to

[4:29:01] be clear about who's doing what and do you have some advice

[4:29:05] Voice 9: there or should we be asking you by

[4:29:08] Voice 9: motion for some advice on that that

[4:29:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): is a really good question and that um and uh i was i was

[4:29:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): attending the the apc meeting when they were sort of having this conversation and um i think that

[4:29:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): the the the the sort of original i i i mean it's a bit of semantics i think in a sense um um the

[4:29:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): The steering committee role is really about filtering the information that we receive

[4:29:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): through the APC to provide information to the LTC.

[4:29:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): But that process is going to be LTC driven anyways, and the APC will respond to

[4:29:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): Thank you.

[4:30:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): um to uh to ltc um direction yeah so um i mean we've called it steering committee there's

[4:30:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's people that that um interpret that in different ways and i i mean again

[4:30:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): we can change the words if it makes people feel better um but i think i mean i i i would hope

[4:30:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): that it's it's sort of understood and that's what we sort of discussed a bit at that meeting

[4:30:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): um we are with this apc pretty i mean it's pretty much um playing the kind of the role that an apc

[4:30:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): does which which which does review things at the direction of the ltc but i guess in this process

[4:30:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): it would be looking to them like as a bit of a like a um you know filtering body essentially

[4:30:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): but again at the at the direction of of the ltc so um yeah so like i said i mean we're happy to

[4:30:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): to change the words for the APC if it makes it clearer for them and I'm interested to know what

[4:31:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): if the LTC has has any reflections on that

[4:31:09] Voice 9: well I knew I heard both of the APC meetings or the

[4:31:14] Voice 9: continuation and it's there just wasn't consensus because some members felt yes we want to be

[4:31:21] Voice 9: actively involved and I want to be part of every part of this and I want to give guidance and I

[4:31:26] Voice 9: want to be on a working group and some members uh were like i'm not ready to go to that level

[4:31:32] Voice 9: of work but it seems like a steering committee implies um and so i think there was discussion

[4:31:39] Voice 9: but we didn't land on a decision to how is this going to be structured can we invite expressions

[4:31:48] Voice 9: of interest for a working group um that can work more closely like who among the apc and it may be

[4:31:55] Voice 9: other members of the community um to work alongside the formal process right apc ltc

[4:32:03] Voice 9: referrals is the formal process but the working group there are some members who are motivated

[4:32:09] Voice 9: and and it sounded like wanted to be involved in the design and execution of some of the engagement

[4:32:16] Voice 9: activities so do we need to invite those expressions of anyone who's interested to form

[4:32:22] Voice 9: formal working group? And or are we just still going to wait?

[4:32:34] Voice 9: Because they didn't decide they wanted to be a steering

[4:32:36] Voice 9: committee.

[4:32:37] Voice 8: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I think that when you use when you

[4:32:40] Voice 8: intermix language, ABC steering committee, my immediate question

[4:32:45] Voice 8: would be, well, who's the steering committee? And so you

[4:32:47] Voice 8: can't be two things at once. And so if, as you suggested, if we

[4:32:53] Voice 8: want to have working groups or steering committees, I think we

[4:32:56] Voice 8: We need to then create that because we also can't have ABCs creating their own subgroups

[4:33:01] Voice 8: because it doesn't fit within the construct of what we normally do.

[4:33:05] Voice 8: And absolutely, we need to step out of the box all the time.

[4:33:09] Voice 8: But I think for the benefit of the people that have chosen to participate in a certain

[4:33:15] framework, that should be respected.

[4:33:17] And then ultimately,

[4:33:20] Voice 8: we need to determine the direction.

[4:33:22] Voice 8: and, you know, you've agreed to have funding for little working groups,

[4:33:27] Voice 8: the neighborhood groups or whatever you want to call it.

[4:33:29] Voice 8: And so, you know, you can't have somebody else making those kinds of decisions

[4:33:33] Voice 8: and expect us to.

[4:33:35] Voice 8: And so I think it's about, for me, it's just about being clear about

[4:33:38] Voice 8: who's doing what, where, why.

[4:33:41] Voice 8: And ABCs typically take referrals for direction from the LTC.

[4:33:48] Voice 8: They don't necessarily create their own direction

[4:33:50] Voice 8: because then you end up on tangents potentially that aren't necessarily

[4:33:55] Voice 9: congruent with the

[4:33:56] Voice 9: object yeah

[4:33:57] Voice 10: so

[4:34:00] Voice 9: um i don't think we need to do anything

[4:34:02] Voice 8: today i think it was raised and i think

[4:34:05] Voice 8: it's good for us to have this conversation so you've heard where we're at there uh marissa and

[4:34:10] Voice 8: renee and uh perhaps if there's any advice that could come to us at the next verbal report i think

[4:34:16] Voice 8: that would be i

[4:34:17] Voice 9: do have a resolution just in case we want to um advance this a little further than

[4:34:24] Voice 9: uh just talking about next time um that the gabriella ltc invite members of the apc

[4:34:31] Voice 9: and the gpc and members of the public to form a working group for the purpose of directing

[4:34:40] Voice 9: and guiding engagement on the envision gabriel at 2050 process and work with staff to coordinate

[4:34:50] Voice 9: and i'm i'm happy to be the point person but it's just a working group to get things done and

[4:34:57] Voice 8: so my question to that motion is are we ready for that is that something that we want to take

[4:35:04] Voice 8: on now or should we determine to do this a little further down the stream when we know what it is

[4:35:10] Voice 8: we're going to get people working that

[4:35:12] Voice 9: would be my question too that would be my question as well

[4:35:16] Voice 9: i don't think we're ready to do this so the project is launching and we need direction

[4:35:21] Voice 9: as to where to go

[4:35:23] Voice 9: but maybe it could wait another month i guess well typically the

[4:35:28] Voice 8: project work that the agency does work to get minutes get reports get motions from them to

[4:35:34] Voice 8: tell us what they've learned and then we and staff analyze that come back with recommendations

[4:35:47] Voice 9: yes thank

[4:35:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): you um i mean one thing i could suggest is um we have now so what the timeline that we

[4:35:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): have for our application process for groups that want to come forward and host group discussions

[4:36:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): or what have you is October the 15th. So what we could do is at that point sort of re-evaluate

[4:36:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): if we don't have a lot of interest coming in from other groups in the community, that may be then

[4:36:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): then the point at which you want to have a group

[4:36:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): specifically organized to get people out

[4:36:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): and start to, you know, like a working group

[4:36:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): to be more engaged and do that.

[4:36:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): That may be one option.

[4:36:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): Just throwing that out.

[4:36:48] Voice 8: So maybe we should discuss this at our next meeting

[4:36:50] Voice 8: when we see what that looks like.

[4:36:52] Voice 9: So if that comes out on the 15th,

[4:36:54] Voice 9: 15th we do have a meeting on this 9th or 23rd so we should have some good information by then

[4:37:02] Voice 9: whether um there's appetite there's tape um so that's fine and does this preclude say putting

[4:37:11] Voice 9: advertisements in the newspaper or any kind of communication material are you going to handle

[4:37:16] Voice 9: that or do you want to be on that or what what else do you envision for getting the word out

[4:37:24] Voice 9: Nerissa yeah

[4:37:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): so we we don't actually have a a communications plan per se um at this point

[4:37:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): um we can certainly like develop something so um I'm assuming you're you're you're you're

[4:37:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): if you're if you're wanting us to um do some further communications related to encouraging

[4:37:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): people to create their own groups, provided feedback on the website. We do have Morgana

[4:37:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): is working on, like her intention is to send out sort of social media posts and posts on

[4:38:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): the website through the subscriber group. And she's also creating a new subscriber group.

[4:38:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there's an invitation to join a specific subscriber group related to the project.

[4:38:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): So those are the means that we've thought about already to provide updates and encourage people to engage.

[4:38:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): If there's anything beyond that, you know, let us know.

[4:38:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): And we can sort of work that into, like, the existing kind of communications plan.

[4:38:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, it's a loose communications plan at this point.

[4:38:36] Voice 5: Yeah.

[4:38:38] Voice 9: So I've had interest.

[4:38:39] Voice 9: People have said to me, well, I'm really interested in doing some work or getting together with

[4:38:44] Voice 9: like-minded people when it comes to, for example, alternative transportation, almost like a

[4:38:50] Voice 9: transportation advisory.

[4:38:53] Voice 9: And people talk to me about agriculture, housing, for example.

[4:38:58] Voice 9: Well, we already have housing.

[4:39:00] Voice 9: So I think people will be really interested in gathering together and having discussions

[4:39:06] Voice 9: when when there's an outlining topics that are going to be covered and then they can choose

[4:39:12] Voice 9: their topic because i've said to several people oh hold that thought hold that thought because

[4:39:16] Voice 9: then when it comes to this we want you to be on this committee or this working group or whatever

[4:39:21] Voice 9: we call them but right now um right now we just need to get it going and when it comes to this

[4:39:29] Voice 9: a substantial body of work to update the ocp and actually bring it up to date with relevant

[4:39:38] Voice 9: statements about this community and about this environment that's when you're going to have i

[4:39:44] Voice 5: think a lot

[4:39:44] Voice 9: of and um but then we want folks to start convening now and having discussions

[4:39:51] Voice 9: because once we are into the ocp process then that that they're already going to have a natural

[4:39:56] Voice 9: um sort of we're trying to build a framework that works for this community sorry yeah i

[4:40:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): i was just

[4:40:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): gonna um say that um well through the chair um um just uh that that the opportunity for those

[4:40:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): those um those theme specific working groups will will come up because we are we're at this

[4:40:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): very very like preliminary phase essentially um that's what the the ltc had supported uh was this

[4:40:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): preliminary sort of like brain it's like a what do you call it brainstorming community

[4:40:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): brainstorming um phase essentially and that's going to lead to um i i mean the people

[4:40:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): folks will be encouraged to focus their discussions on particular topics and I imagine

[4:40:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): that that's the way it'll go because there are groups that are interested in particular topics

[4:41:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): ultimately at the end of this phase we'll have those areas of key priority identified

[4:41:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): and those are the ones that that we'll move forward with through the OCP review so the OCP

[4:41:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): The OCP review process will also involve engagement that'll be much more focused and specific.

[4:41:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): So at that point in time, after we've done sort of a bit of a technical review as well

[4:41:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): to the OCP and have identified key priorities, there will be an opportunity to really focus

[4:41:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): in on options related to those priorities.

[4:41:47] Voice 9: In this engagement document that we prepared, the main question is, what is your preferred

[4:41:54] Voice 9: way of engaging?

[4:41:56] Voice 9: It doesn't ask what topics you want to engage on, it's just, how do you want to engage?

[4:42:01] Voice 9: The topics will come after we get people.

[4:42:05] Voice 9: That's when we need to say, okay, what are you interested in, transportation, farming,

[4:42:09] Voice 9: whatever.

[4:42:10] Voice 9: I think that is the comp.

[4:42:16] Voice 9: Absolutely. But one more question with respect to the communications budget. We sort of threw together, because time was ticking, we've had it approved since April, and we want to land this by next June, this vision document.

[4:42:32] Voice 9: document um would it make sense to come up with a communications plan um because we have budget for

[4:42:40] Voice 9: it by the next ltc meeting and have some proposals for you know ads in the sounder every you know

[4:42:49] Voice 9: month or two um just so we have a bit more of a structure to the communications plan and and i

[4:42:58] Voice 9: can support that work instead of it just being thrown together stressing everybody out so could

[4:43:04] Voice 9: do you think we could have something together for our next ltc meeting um

[4:43:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah through the chair

[4:43:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): certainly i think um that's something that we can do we should pass a resolution um to request staff

[4:43:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): to put together a communications plan um we already um we're already committed to to provide

[4:43:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): provide you with a more detailed engagement plan as well um um we just didn't have it at this point

[4:43:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): time but that's an intention for the next meeting so that communications plan can could be um a part

[4:43:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): of that

[4:43:38] Voice 9: I'll make that

[4:43:41] Voice 6: resolution that um

[4:43:42] Voice 9: we request staff to prepare a communication plan

[4:43:45] Voice 9: um um for the next or with respect to the oh renee stopping for the ocp language pilot review project

[4:43:56] Voice 9: for the ocp land use pilot review project thank you for your next meeting i just want to clarify

[4:44:03] Voice 9: with planner chadwick that that step and that piece of work is already going to happen from

[4:44:09] Voice 9: the next ltc so the resolution is not needed because it's

[4:44:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): already in the work

[4:44:15] Voice 9: plan it is

[4:44:16] Voice 9: that correct um

[4:44:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): so we don't have specifically as far as i understand and you may have you might

[4:44:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): have the follow-up action list in front of you there um uh renee but as far as i understand we

[4:44:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): haven't we hadn't specified communications plan but we had uh identified engagement plan

[4:44:34] Voice 9: i think a communications plan is is a good thing well yeah okay yeah okay

[4:44:43] Voice 9: Okay, so moved and seconded.

[4:44:45] Voice 9: Okay, any discussion?

[4:44:49] Voice 9: Okay, so can we conclude this one?

[4:44:55] Voice 8: Time has slipped away.

[4:44:56] Voice 8: We used that moment a moment ago.

[4:44:58] Voice 8: We're at 3.30.

[4:44:59] Voice 8: We've got quite a few things to do here.

[4:45:02] Voice 8: So I'll try and

[4:45:03] Voice 8: get through the rest of it.

[4:45:05] Voice 9: Thanks, Nerissa.

[4:45:06] Voice 9: So

[4:45:06] Voice 8: thank you, Nerissa.

[4:45:07] Voice 8: All right, I'll see you on Sunday.

[4:45:10] Voice 9: Leave me up, Scotty.

[4:45:12] Voice 9: okay so we

[4:45:15] Voice 8: have a whole pile of correspondence here um my inclination is to receive all of these

[4:45:23] Voice 8: for information um that doesn't generate any value in any of them but i want to just ask you

[4:45:31] Voice 8: which ones do you wish to speak or take additional action with uh

[4:45:36] Voice 9: number one rug and

[4:45:37] Voice 9: sliders for it yeah 1.1 and uh i would also like this back

[4:45:46] Voice 7: here it's my agenda

[4:45:56] Voice 7: while you're

[4:45:57] Voice 8: thinking about that i'm just going to turn to planning manager

[4:46:00] Voice 8: gemara is there anything there that you have identified that you should be

[4:46:05] Voice 9: through the chair of 1.1 we have a drafted motion okay great for our support yeah and

[4:46:12] Voice 9: And 11.10 was related to the previous agenda item 8.2, which led to its alternate motion.

[4:46:22] Voice 9: Do you have another motion?

[4:46:24] Voice 9: No, that's where you've been.

[4:46:32] Voice 9: Could I also pull 11.5 just to clarify?

[4:46:38] Voice 9: It's been sort of an outstanding one.

[4:46:41] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:46:42] Voice 9: and 11.2 sorry yeah okay and then i'm just going to comment on

[4:46:49] Voice 8: 11.4 so then i'll just then just

[4:46:52] Voice 8: say that we'll receive her information 11.3 11.6 11.7 11.8 11.9 and so a further action 11.1

[4:47:02] uh

[4:47:02] Voice 8: jimmy says she has a draft motion do you we received that you shared it and i actually

[4:47:09] Voice 5: wrote a motion myself being

[4:47:11] Voice 9: part of that thinking we could do this okay we got it

[4:47:15] Voice 9: sure um i my

[4:47:18] Voice 9: motion was uh um that the gabriel and local trust committee requested to write a letter signed by

[4:47:30] Voice 9: chair luckham on behalf of the gabriel and local committee to affirm our strong support of

[4:47:38] Voice 9: um for the RCRS shoreline came up it realized Southern proximity Islands under the provincial

[4:47:47] Voice 9: clean Coast clean waters and in partnership with Coastal restoration Society and it's in the

[4:47:55] Voice 9: United States but it's all in that there's a

[4:47:59] Voice 9: shorter version so did you did you manage to

[4:48:02] Voice 9: send that to uh no but I'm happy to go with the shorter do you want to go with the shorter version

[4:48:06] Voice 9: yeah i think do you want to just review that yeah at the gabriel island local trust committee

[4:48:11] Voice 9: request staff to provide a letter of support to record coast research society for their shoreline

[4:48:16] Voice 9: cleanup activities held within the gabriel island local trust area yeah i'll second that

[4:48:26] Voice 9: so did you get that okay

[4:48:28] Voice 8: so thank you okay

[4:48:30] Voice 9: so

[4:48:31] Voice 8: let's try to get in there

[4:48:33] Voice 8: So

[4:48:36] Voice 9: moved and seconded. All those in favour?

[4:48:39] Voice 9: That carries. Excellent. So 11.2.

[4:48:43] Voice 9: So the request was to consider this as a potential development permit area. So Rowan Way, this was flagged by the Gabriel O'Landon Trails Trust.

[4:48:59] Voice 9: trust and this LTC knows and keenly feels that we lack sensitive ecosystem DPAs and this is

[4:49:10] Voice 9: definitely top of mind for the OCP review to consider new development permit areas is there

[4:49:19] Voice 9: any way to advance this consideration of DPA is it through the DAI bylaw no that's different bylaw

[4:49:28] Voice 9: thing because you can't have so what I understand from Robert Kojima is that the DAI bylaw

[4:49:35] Voice 9: is only as good as your development permit areas the two have to go hand in hand that's right you

[4:49:44] Voice 9: need development permit areas in order for the DAI bylaw to work so if you if you really want

[4:49:51] Voice 9: this DAI bylaw as a minor project we have to establish development permit areas ahead of time

[4:49:58] Voice 9: because they work in conjunction so what is the timeline that we'd be looking at to establish dpas

[4:50:05] Voice 9: and this isn't the only one there's many others that but just a quick comment on that it's even

[4:50:11] Voice 9: more important that your dpas are are almost meaningless without a strong dai bylaw you can

[4:50:23] Voice 9: have a DAI bylaw it would still be relevant to whatever DPAs you perform because the bylaw

[4:50:34] Voice 9: gives you all the tools that you need to make that DPA work yeah

[4:50:38] Voice 10: so

[4:50:39] Voice 9: that's why at the beginning of

[4:50:41] Voice 9: this term I said I just want to get the DAI bylaw updated for our work program for sure we've got

[4:50:48] Voice 9: how to get these DPs added to the OCP.

[4:50:51] Voice 9: They are absolutely a priority with me,

[4:50:53] Voice 9: but they're more like part of the OCP update.

[4:50:56] Voice 9: That's not my understanding from conversations with Robert.

[4:51:00] Voice 9: How did the two have to go together?

[4:51:03] Voice 9: So my question to staff is,

[4:51:05] Voice 9: do we need to advance a minor project

[4:51:12] Voice 9: around development permit areas

[4:51:14] Voice 9: areas in order to support the DAI by-law as a minor project.

[4:51:22] Voice 9: Through the chair, those are, they can be one larger piece of work or two different

[4:51:30] Voice 9: pieces of work to take. Your development tournament areas are established through your official

[4:51:37] Voice 9: community plan by law and or and can relate to environmental reasons and areas in legislation

[4:51:47] Voice 9: your development approval information by law will describe the kinds of reports and technical

[4:51:53] Voice 9: information you've been asked for for particular applications so for development permits it will

[4:51:59] Voice 9: list the kind of specific professional reports you would need for a development permit once

[4:52:05] Voice 9: it's triggered by development um so uh rpm kajima is correct and in that if you're looking to

[4:52:13] Voice 9: undertake establishing development permit areas a new development which is a larger project

[4:52:21] Voice 9: you are amending the ocp so with that comes some checks and balances and some review and analysis

[4:52:29] Voice 9: It ought to be also looked at in terms of what other violence impacted or need to be

[4:52:36] Voice 9: touched.

[4:52:37] Voice 9: So to do that all at once is a bigger project, an official community plan amendment, I understand

[4:52:44] Voice 9: for our processes could take up to a year, two years.

[4:52:49] Voice 9: So if that's in addition to the scope of this OCP review that we're currently have, or part of that, I think a next step that might need to happen anyways is a look at the Development Approval Information By-law to update, to review and update after this big OCP.

[4:53:13] Voice 9: after it's on our work program has come before as a minor like

[4:53:19] Voice 9: you know the

[4:53:21] Voice 9: sequencing and

[4:53:22] Voice 9: and maybe that's for um some thought as well the sequencing of when to update your dai

[4:53:27] Voice 9: development approval information by law may make sense to update urgent items that you need to

[4:53:35] Voice 9: work with now and then maybe another update after the plan is updated yeah because

[4:53:40] Voice 9: yeah okay so

[4:53:41] Voice 5: So there might be

[4:53:42] Voice 9: some direction given to what exactly in the DAI model needs to be updated sooner than later as a mining project versus touching it again after the thing was updated in the next couple of years.

[4:53:55] Voice 9: you have many requests from other people and there's a letter writer about the dickman bay

[4:54:02] Voice 9: issue creating new development permit areas for protection of the environment protection of

[4:54:11] Voice 9: water or form of character so where do we house these requests in our

[4:54:17] Voice 9: comprehensive ocp and lub review list that's ever growing uh should we add this uh request

[4:54:28] Voice 9: for a sensitive ecosystem development permit area to the list of ocp review topics

[4:54:36] Voice 9: through the chair that could come through um the official community plans update and rewrite a

[4:54:44] Voice 9: project because it could come through anyways from another person and that could be determined

[4:54:50] Voice 9: in that part of this project so

[4:54:54] Voice 10: what

[4:54:56] Voice 9: i've been doing is keeping a list of all of the development

[4:55:00] Voice 9: permit variants that we need to update or add as part of the ocp revision i don't think we can

[4:55:07] Voice 9: do them separately i mean i'd love to do them separately before anything else to be honest but

[4:55:13] Voice 9: but i don't think we can but the dai bylaw we can do separately because well i i know we can

[4:55:21] Voice 9: because i hang a long talk with david myler about you know what it does for our development areas

[4:55:28] Voice 9: but and include new dpas like that's part of this project and if it's too big for a minor project

[4:55:37] Voice 9: i want to know that now so that we don't push the thought down the line because if we have to update

[4:55:42] Voice 9: update DPA for it to work that's through the chair this is um a correspondence letter so that there

[4:55:51] Voice 9: hasn't been any analysis done by when staff to know the context of what would the how the policies

[4:55:58] Voice 9: meant right so yeah um the comment about let's look at development new development permanent

[4:56:04] Voice 9: areas that could go through the OCC project to look at what

[4:56:08] Voice 9: could get updated and what could

[4:56:09] Voice 9: it created um any priority to um bringing forward the development approval information bylaw

[4:56:17] Voice 9: with specific requests what specifically to change we can look at as a minor project

[4:56:25] Voice 9: i'm just plaguing as well but that's something that's looked at again after one of your bigger

[4:56:30] Voice 9: planning bylaws okay well i'm uh you know satisfied to receive this for information

[4:56:38] Voice 9: but uh would like to see it noted that i mean there is a sensitive ecosystem dpa is listed in

[4:56:50] Voice 9: our future ocp review so can we add that i mean i'm just keeping a running list of all the dp

[4:56:58] Voice 9: that we need to add during the ocp revision and if i die before the ocp revision is over i'm

[4:57:04] Voice 9: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- Through the chair.

[4:57:07] Voice 9: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- When.

[4:57:10] Voice 9: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- there's correspondence about official plan related yeah I also as marketing speaker project so.

[4:57:20] Voice 9: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- They go in the in the OCP project file or is that.

[4:57:24] Voice 9: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- project right but it's not in the file on the website, which is our because our OCP review project has started.

[4:57:34] Voice 9: to make sure so we can have this perfect could we add this and also the brad nixon letter which is

[4:57:56] Voice 7: so well you don't need a motion to that

[4:57:59] Voice 7: so

[4:58:00] Voice 8: what we're doing there is creating an opportunity for tracking development development

[4:58:11] Voice 9: Yeah, 11.5 and then 11.2 would be, yeah, respect.

[4:58:16] Voice 9: Okay, so then that

[4:58:17] Voice 8: conversation started with 11.2.

[4:58:20] Voice 8: So obviously that has been flagged now as well.

[4:58:23] Voice 8: So before we leave this topic,

[4:58:27] Voice 8: I've just been looking up at your bylaw number 150,

[4:58:31] Voice 8: which is your development approval information on the bylaw.

[4:58:38] Voice 8: yeah but it's so you know if there's limitations in this that is impacting how we're doing business

[4:58:46] Voice 8: there are i think this could be amended by as a singular really yeah and

[4:58:55] Voice 8: so in your project

[4:58:56] Voice 9: and so i would

[4:58:57] Voice 8: like to ask staff to

[4:58:58] Voice 9: investigate the options for this ltc on making improvements

[4:59:05] Voice 9: improvements to the EA I by law 150 as

[4:59:13] Voice 7: a standalone tell us look

[4:59:18] Voice 9: at it and think

[4:59:19] Voice 9: about it

[4:59:24] Voice 9: that's a

[4:59:26] Voice 8: motion I just made

[4:59:38] Voice 9: one five zero um deal with application information information information bylaw as a standalone

[4:59:48] Voice 9: project yeah and then we can decide if we want to prioritize i mean somebody on our work

[4:59:53] Voice 9: well we

[4:59:55] Voice 8: want to do we want to prioritize so

[4:59:57] Voice 9: the ecological zone

[5:00:00] Voice 9: goes could go into pause for months or however long the referral will take for the capacity

[5:00:06] Voice 9: thing and so looking at do we seek with this in the meantime you know put it in the stream

[5:00:13] Voice 9: is my question i don't

[5:00:14] Voice 9: expect a one yes through the chair um you can absolutely make a motion

[5:00:20] Voice 9: against that direction you can give staff direction to prioritize this one after

[5:00:25] Voice 9: ideological so we'll add that feature it's all carried today and prepared in the future

[5:00:32] Voice 9: can

[5:00:33] Voice 10: we get a report on

[5:00:35] Voice 9: that at the next meeting so we can determine if we want to

[5:00:45] Voice 8: i'd like to know what's involved in you taking that on and allocating staff time to

[5:00:51] Voice 8: to

[5:00:52] Voice 9: make a match to the project charter well yeah so i don't want you to jump into during

[5:01:00] Voice 9: project

[5:01:01] Voice 8: charging it would just give us a summary of what the option what do we got to retail

[5:01:07] Voice 8: to determine whether or not for your own benefit and our benefits or whether or not we could achieve

[5:01:12] Voice 8: that so through

[5:01:13] Voice 9: the chair but i would because there's not a lot of information under number

[5:01:17] Voice 9: number three and I'm referring to page 442 of the package sorry the active project list

[5:01:27] Voice 9: um there's no specific information about what about the DAI by law to update so if

[5:01:36] Voice 9: um if the LTC is on the priority to that after the Ecozone what we would do is reach out and

[5:01:45] Voice 9: and come to the LTC to identify, ask you to identify what information,

[5:01:51] Voice 9: in addition to what's happening, what needs to be addressed.

[5:01:56] Voice 8: Yeah, so I'm thinking

[5:01:57] Voice 8: about, a little advantage, I've got the Bible in front of me.

[5:02:01] Voice 8: So, Bible 150, part 5, section 15, there's a list of information,

[5:02:06] Voice 8: the following information, and there's similar things in other locations.

[5:02:12] Voice 8: It's a list of information we can ask for, and if this is not complete, that supports

[5:02:19] Voice 8: our current context for approval of development permit areas, then we should consider updating

[5:02:25] Voice 8: it.

[5:02:26] Voice 8: Because it was 2013 that was stopped.

[5:02:29] Voice 9: So that would be some of the input.

[5:02:32] Voice 9: That would be the kind of

[5:02:33] Voice 9: reporting for the LTC is to ask, okay, we've heard this needs

[5:02:39] Voice 9: to be updated in the final month.

[5:02:40] Voice 9: Yeah.

[5:02:41] Voice 9: we will leave feedback and comments and changes and anything else that may have come where are

[5:02:46] Voice 9: the weaknesses identified weaknesses i have a question too and i have mentioned this previously

[5:02:54] Voice 9: when i first asked for the dai violence to be updated i mentioned the one that rodney

[5:03:00] Voice 9: and it seems like a really good da yes and could we please include that as a template for a model

[5:03:12] Voice 9: yeah we can alter it change it as whenever but it's what's been done it's a strong yeah it's a

[5:03:17] Voice 9: model by law yeah so

[5:03:19] Voice 8: the question is is how different is it from this 2014 version you have

[5:03:23] Voice 8: because different light years well so you know if that's the case i imagine you could just adopt it

[5:03:29] Voice 8: in its entirety and move on yeah

[5:03:31] Voice 9: possibly possibly but that's what i've been saying

[5:03:36] Voice 9: If this

[5:03:37] Voice 8: is a thing that's not serving us, then how can we fix it?

[5:03:42] Voice 8: So that's

[5:03:42] Voice 9: kind of what I'm asking.

[5:03:43] Voice 9: Can we get

[5:03:43] Voice 8: steel a lot better and keep going, or do we need to do something else?

[5:03:47] Voice 9: Oh, yeah.

[5:03:48] Voice 9: To the chair, I would always say let's not just approve the model.

[5:03:56] Voice 8: Well, we would look at it for sure.

[5:03:58] Voice 9: It's a good process.

[5:03:59] Voice 9: I think we can probably generate a report to the LTC to get your feedback and to find out what information needs to be updated in the by-law or report back to council.

[5:04:16] Voice 8: Because this is administrative.

[5:04:19] Voice 9: It's a swap, yeah. I mean, you have to go through public hearings and everything.

[5:04:23] Voice 9: No, no. That's what I mean.

[5:04:26] Voice 9: Oh, right.

[5:04:28] Voice 9: right part of the work would be um we would reach out to the lgc to make sure that we have

[5:04:36] Voice 9: what kinds of changes you would like to see then we would go away do all the changes

[5:04:43] Voice 9: and bring it back to as a proposed draft sometime in the year or in sequence with the ecozone

[5:04:50] Voice 9: own project as a minor

[5:04:51] Voice 9: project um as a second priority um and then go into that's

[5:04:58] Voice 7: what i got

[5:04:59] Voice 9: yeah

[5:04:59] Voice 7: so is that sufficient direction

[5:05:03] Voice 9: based on the discussion if uh there's a direction to staff to

[5:05:08] Voice 9: assign this as a priority after it goes on it could be minor project two that would give us

[5:05:14] Voice 9: enough information for this if there's a should they have this motion then maybe you can say

[5:05:20] Voice 9: um our local trust committee request staff investigate making improvements to bylaw

[5:05:27] Voice 9: 150 development approval information bylaw as a standalone project and assign it as

[5:05:35] Voice 9: project number two that what you're saying the chair doesn't need to be a standpoint

[5:05:43] Voice 9: What I would do is amend. I can suggest amending. Can I include under the active project item,

[5:05:50] Voice 9: just remove include the new DPAs and just say update on what one needs to do.

[5:05:58] Voice 9: It's exactly what I

[5:05:59] Voice 9: was going to ask. It says include new DPAs, but we can do it separately.

[5:06:05] Voice 9: yes yeah putting new dps because they're

[5:06:09] Voice 8: doing the dpas the way they do this may be simple and

[5:06:12] Voice 8: put us in a better place

[5:06:14] Voice 9: so did we figure out what we wanted

[5:06:18] Voice 7: to say then so just put it on the top

[5:06:20] Voice 7: priorities list that we want through the chair so i would suggest

[5:06:29] Voice 9: uh just admit removing that wording

[5:06:32] Voice 9: in the active project list include new DPAs and that it be the next priority by the project

[5:06:48] Voice 9: we have the gabriel request staff

[5:06:54] Voice 7: to remove the wording include new dpas under

[5:07:06] Voice 7: action active project number three and

[5:07:10] Voice 9: prioritize

[5:07:12] Voice 9: the gabriel

[5:07:29] Voice 7: island local trust creator request

[5:07:30] Voice 9: staff to remove the wording include

[5:07:34] Voice 9: dpas under active project number three and prioritize it this is next minus project after

[5:07:40] Voice 9: the ecosystem are you moving that here yeah i have a second okay any further discussion

[5:07:47] Voice 9: all those in favor okay thanks that's a piece of administrative work that is great

[5:07:55] Voice 9: okay so i mean i

[5:07:57] Voice 9: just have one more comment because on our active projects list that is

[5:08:02] Voice 9: is at the very top like number three yeah and then remember way down here in the future projects list

[5:08:10] Voice 9: is the development permits which makes sense because those are attached to the mcp and as

[5:08:16] Voice 9: important as they are and as badly as we need them we can't simply do that or at least

[5:08:22] Voice 8: when we do

[5:08:22] Voice 8: do then we'll have a dai support

[5:08:24] Voice 5: okay so

[5:08:27] Voice 8: can i continue on correspondence yeah i think 11.4 was

[5:08:30] Voice 8: the next one so i mean i was disappointed when i first read this letter when i first got it i

[5:08:35] Voice 8: reread it again just package and actually i think that what's significant here is they i they

[5:08:42] apparently listened to the feedback and we're going to see

[5:08:46] Voice 8: ideally some changes in the document

[5:08:51] Voice 8: and so i'd say let's wait and see what that document looks like and make sure that we

[5:08:55] Voice 8: back accordingly yeah okay

[5:08:57] Voice 9: yes and thank you again chair luckens for being so persistent

[5:09:01] Voice 9: on getting an answer from canada yeah

[5:09:04] Voice 8: we'll see how it goes if i see somebody at ubcm

[5:09:08] Voice 8: touch a light you can be sure i'll be talking to their them so i'm going to then move on i think

[5:09:15] Voice 8: that covers off everything that we wanted to talk about um and i'm going to continue on now for the

[5:09:21] Voice 8: next page new business we didn't have any and we've got a bunch of reports here um and i do

[5:09:29] want to try and

[5:09:30] Voice 8: move us through here so um in section 13 there we can receive most of these

[5:09:40] Voice 8: for information and i do want to maybe i would have to go to well this is a briefing too so 13.8

[5:09:47] Voice 8: at Kuntz's Natural Area Protection Tax

[5:09:50] Voice 8: Exempted Program application

[5:09:51] Voice 8: briefing.

[5:09:53] Voice 8: Just

[5:09:53] Voice 9: briefly, if I could speak

[5:09:55] Voice 9: to it briefly.

[5:09:56] Voice 9: So this was

[5:09:57] Voice 9: received by the Conservancy

[5:09:59] Voice 9: and sort of accelerated

[5:10:01] Voice 9: this is not the

[5:10:03] Voice 9: normal process, but

[5:10:05] Voice 9: May 30th

[5:10:06] Voice 9: it was received. It has a lot

[5:10:09] Voice 9: of support and is a

[5:10:11] Voice 9: very strong application. So

[5:10:13] Voice 9: I believe it will be coming to

[5:10:15] Voice 9: the Council

[5:10:15] Voice 9: Council to approve this NAPTEP covenant. But the applicant is well known. The property is

[5:10:25] Voice 9: wonderful and super supportive of this. Great. Okay. So, RPM, do you want to add?

[5:10:35] Voice 9: Through the chair, we have staffed Martel, a member of the Conservancy, who can speak.

[5:10:41] Voice 9: to this conference oh katherine

[5:10:44] Voice 8: nice to see you thank you for joining us i didn't see you on that

[5:10:49] Voice 8: i don't know why these don't come up larger than life on my screen here you

[5:10:53] Voice 4: don't need me to be

[5:10:54] Voice 4: larger than life that's okay um i'll just speak very briefly to this is actually very little to

[5:10:59] Voice 4: add um it's an it's an item for your information uh as part of the regular um process to send it

[5:11:07] Voice 4: as a courtesy item to the local trust committees um as trustee elliott indicated the conservancy

[5:11:13] Voice 4: board has accepted the proposal to place a covenant and it will now be proceeding to trust

[5:11:17] Voice 4: council to approve the or review and hopefully approve the property tax exemption under the

[5:11:24] Voice 4: natural areas property tax exemption program so this is just um for your information to let you

[5:11:32] Voice 4: that we've received the application and a little bit about the project yeah

[5:11:38] Voice 8: thank you yeah we saw

[5:11:39] Voice 8: this yesterday at um dc because we've advanced it to our council already um so hopefully the

[5:11:48] Voice 8: gabriel of ltc is pleased by that oh

[5:11:50] Voice 9: one more than three years ago it was such an incredible

[5:11:54] Voice 9: act of generosity yeah yeah and so forward looking for this small area it's a relatively small area

[5:12:02] Voice 9: by the heavy the amazing sensitive ecosystems yeah and habitats so just what a beautiful and

[5:12:09] Voice 9: euro has worked really hard to you know remove invasives and protect the wetlands so it's

[5:12:15] Voice 9: it's great small but mighty yes very lovely thank you catherine thank you

[5:12:21] Voice 8: lovely background right

[5:12:23] Voice 8: there so we'll talk to you another time so i'm going to go to 1310 uh census infographics briefing

[5:12:30] Voice 8: think um i know i've seen this a few times now and the rest we have so i don't know if you want

[5:12:37] Voice 8: to just receive that information when you want to file it over to the ocp or the abc rather or

[5:12:44] Voice 8: anything like that

[5:12:45] Voice 9: i think the associated groups um actually i don't have the ability to pull uh

[5:12:51] Voice 9: anything from a file in in adobe um is it possible to get these maybe i can talk to

[5:12:58] Voice 9: will and to get back and just have these

[5:13:00] Voice 5: send

[5:13:00] Voice 9: these to other i actually think i

[5:13:03] Voice 9: heard that they came

[5:13:05] Voice 9: really or or you

[5:13:06] Voice 8: tell them what you want

[5:13:07] Voice 9: no i guess so they make it they have

[5:13:09] Voice 9: those yeah

[5:13:10] Voice 9: yeah so i have a really quick question

[5:13:14] Voice 9: so for just these infographics that are

[5:13:16] Voice 9: in this package

[5:13:17] Voice 9: i would like to have a bigger print

[5:13:19] Voice 9: version may i ask chloe to do that for

[5:13:22] Voice 9: me

[5:13:23] Voice 9: it's just free for you to

[5:13:24] Voice 5: do it for

[5:13:24] Voice 5: myself

[5:13:28] Voice 9: argument team and they don't think something for you okay i really appreciate that because

[5:13:32] Voice 9: they're quite interesting okay 13.11 advisory planning commission update on call for members

[5:13:40] Voice 9: so through the chair um this is um the advisory planning commission appointments

[5:13:49] Voice 9: so the recommendation before you is to send letters to the members whose terms are expiring

[5:13:57] Voice 9: on October 24th and then for their participation and invite them to submit their expressions of

[5:14:04] Voice 9: interest if they're interested in being reappointed for another two-year term and to also advertise

[5:14:11] Voice 9: for new members because this term is expiring on October 24th 2023 we have an

[5:14:18] Voice 9: MCP project underway

[5:14:21] Voice 9: and we know we are reaching out to our PPC members this is also necessary so

[5:14:30] Voice 9: just a question i'm having for us to do this but i would like to know whether any of the

[5:14:40] Voice 9: members that were asking for a recommitment i would like to know that they are not also

[5:14:47] Voice 9: on the housing advisory commission because for a few months we had duplication of members

[5:14:53] Voice 9: who are on both

[5:14:55] Voice 9: yeah and that's fine

[5:14:58] Voice 9: because they're great people but I would like

[5:15:00] Voice 9: to have like more just more people

[5:15:02] Voice 9: that are not doing that

[5:15:04] Voice 9: that

[5:15:04] Voice 5: was an administrative

[5:15:06] Voice 9: and she was removed from the one

[5:15:08] Voice 9: so it was just one person that was on

[5:15:10] Voice 9: well there were two

[5:15:12] Voice 9: yeah it was Angela Pound

[5:15:14] Voice 9: no Angela Pound was a

[5:15:16] Voice 8: delegate

[5:15:16] Voice 8: anyway

[5:15:17] Voice 9: just to make sure that

[5:15:20] Voice 9: we get a broader

[5:15:21] Voice 9: to you know it's possible we

[5:15:24] Voice 8: have to pay

[5:15:24] Voice 9: attention to it so i'll move that the gabriel island local

[5:15:28] Voice 9: trust committee requests staff to send letters to members of the advisory planning commission

[5:15:32] Voice 9: whose terms will expire on october 24th 2023 thanking them for their participation and

[5:15:37] Voice 9: inviting their expressions of interest for reappointment for another two-year term and

[5:15:42] Voice 9: a advertised republican expressions of interest for a new member

[5:15:46] Voice 9: i'll second that second anything further to discuss

[5:15:50] Voice 8: all those into that

[5:15:51] Voice 8: okay

[5:15:52] Voice 9: so

[5:15:55] Voice 8: i'm going to move away from section 13 unless i've offended anybody and skipped over

[5:15:59] Voice 8: any that you want to speak about so

[5:16:02] Voice 8: then what we've got here is active projects and future

[5:16:05] Voice 8: projects and we've just obviously amended um that with that motion to look at the ai

[5:16:11] Voice 8: is there anything further that you'd like to speak to

[5:16:14] Voice 9: on either of those two topics

[5:16:18] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[5:16:21] Voice 8: You guys got me through the rest of the agenda.

[5:16:24] Voice 8: So our next meeting is October the 26th in the spine location.

[5:16:30] Voice 8: Through

[5:16:32] Voice 9: the chair, I have a silly question to ask you.

[5:16:34] Voice 9: Did we breeze through the rest of the reports?

[5:16:38] Voice 9: So there's no questions.

[5:16:40] Voice 9: We have the reports.

[5:16:43] Voice 5: Yeah,

[5:16:44] Voice 9: but we did read them.

[5:16:47] Voice 7: Absolutely.

[5:16:47] Voice 7: Absolutely. Okay. Let's go home.

[5:16:54] Voice 7: Can I

[5:16:54] Voice 9: get you to the ferry?

[5:16:55] Voice 9: I have no idea

[5:16:58] Voice 9: where the ferry is.

[5:16:58] Voice 7: I

[5:16:58] Voice 9: think I might need to run you down there right at this moment.

[5:17:01] Voice 9: Well, that would be handy.

[5:17:05] Voice 9: Yeah, 420. You can make that one. You don't have to clean up equipment.

[5:17:08] Voice 9: Thank you. Because I have

[5:17:10] Voice 9: actually another meeting before you.

[5:17:12] Voice 9: Oh, gosh.