Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 14, 2023

[0:00:06] Voice 7: good to you champ hey good morning and welcome to

[0:00:12] Voice 9: this uh regular meeting of

[0:00:15] Voice 9: salt spring island local trust committee for september 4th 2023

[0:00:20] Voice 9: uh take a moment to acknowledge that we're meeting on the

[0:00:25] Voice 9: territory of coach salish peoples uh since time memorial and uh respect that uh my name is tim

[0:00:35] Voice 9: peterson uh on the ski island as the chair of the sultan and local trust committee with me

[0:00:42] Voice 9: jamie harris and laura patrick and staff sergeant sugar regional planning manager chris hutton

[0:00:52] Voice 9: and legislative current clerk rob and we have an agenda before us this morning is there any

[0:01:01] Voice 7: additions or changes to the agenda this morning no okay and i'll take it by general consent

[0:01:11] Voice 7: uh that will approve the agenda

[0:01:13] Voice 9: as presented and our first item of business this morning is

[0:01:18] Voice 9: talent all the questions to remind people to speak to the issues uh preferably to the issues

[0:01:27] Voice 9: is on the agenda for the ltc today and to use respectful language speak to the issues as i said

[0:01:37] Voice 9: not personalities and with that i will look for show heads of people who'd like to address the

[0:01:43] Voice 9: local trust committee this morning

[0:01:45] Voice 8: vaccine

[0:01:46] Voice 9: so i have concerns about an item before you to allow

[0:01:53] Voice 9: allow variants for a septic field to be located 30 meters from a seasonal stream rather than

[0:02:01] the 60 meters that is

[0:02:03] Voice 9: a normal environment.

[0:02:04] Voice 9: I haven't had a chance to research it, but I think that those standards come from provincial

[0:02:09] Voice 9: recommendations and they're there to protect a stream.

[0:02:13] Voice 9: And this stream is not far from Westland Lake, which serves over 100 people, I believe.

[0:02:19] Voice 9: uh and it's not only what weston lake provides water to the cliford water district it also

[0:02:26] Voice 9: provides water to people who live on the lake uh who may bear on the trees or they may not know

[0:02:36] Voice 9: you know how do you then we can test the water on the river so uh i don't believe there's a

[0:02:43] Voice 9: biologist report or anything like that in this report saying that this you know is safe so i

[0:02:51] Voice 9: would question that that's a good idea and uh i just it is the job of the trust to protect

[0:02:58] Voice 9: not

[0:02:59] Voice 7: to make sure that so i urge you to be really careful conservation

[0:03:11] Voice 9: and I don't know why the staff recommended it to be okay thank you and do you happen to know which

[0:03:21] Voice 9: of the applications it is reference I remember offhand okay it's 13.2 on the agenda 13.2

[0:03:32] okay thank you Bryce um

[0:03:38] Voice 9: I'm going to break you over right now all on behalf of the G

[0:03:42] Voice 9: planning group um there was discussion we wanted to compliment sarah and rob for how hard they

[0:03:49] Voice 9: work how efficient they are and the work they do we think they're fantastic and we know that people

[0:03:55] Voice 9: get pitched out all day long but every now and then maybe some people should receive a confidence

[0:03:59] Voice 9: so we want to say thank you both all right well that's that's acceptable okay anything else for

[0:04:09] Voice 9: town hall and then we have a delegation here um yes oh no i was gonna say the first one must be

[0:04:18] Voice 9: coming in the first one is arriving remotely is not here since it's on fire chief is here i think

[0:04:29] Voice 9: we might want to rearrange well we can do that we we can start with jamie holmes is that it is

[0:04:37] Voice 9: um

[0:04:38] Voice 6: yeah thank you for the uh for the time um i uh plan to use very little of your time today

[0:04:44] Voice 6: and hope to use a little bit of your staff resources in the in the future so um i'm just

[0:04:49] Voice 6: coming uh really to tag on to a presentation that uh now retired fire chief virginia george gave in

[0:04:57] Voice 6: 2019 um in regards to um wildfire planning um and integrating that into uh planning and stuff like

[0:05:06] Voice 6: that so um since aj's um presentation we've had the uh wildfire um community plan and i think uh

[0:05:17] Voice 6: that's jonathan is also going to speak to to that as well as the delegation um and then the trust

[0:05:23] Voice 6: trust can be also put in some funds to take that plan from public properties to private as well to

[0:05:30] Voice 6: give us a more comprehensive map of some of our wildfire challenges on the island and so really

[0:05:37] Voice 6: what i'm asking is uh if we can work with staff and create i don't pretend to be a governance

[0:05:44] Voice 6: expert so i don't know what the document should be but some kind of governance standard um whether

[0:05:49] Voice 6: that be bylaw dda whatever it looks like or some other i you know i don't know all the possibilities

[0:05:55] that are out there um but governing

[0:05:58] Voice 6: a governing document with a three-pronged approach that we can

[0:06:01] Voice 6: have an educational portion which really ties into our fire support principles and creating

[0:06:06] Voice 6: dependable spaces between uh wild uh wild land and um our community our buildings our houses

[0:06:14] Voice 6: A prescriptive portion that would deal with water supply in these areas where we don't have.

[0:06:23] Voice 6: So some visions are going through being improved. We recommend that water supplies be put into it.

[0:06:29] Voice 6: But we don't have any way of ensuring that happens.

[0:06:34] Voice 6: So we make a recommendation, the developers can agree or can ignore, and we have a way of enforcement on that.

[0:06:47] We put our recommendation through to MOT, and then

[0:06:51] Voice 6: it kind of goes into the ether space after that.

[0:06:54] Voice 6: And unfortunately, we've seen major subdivisions being put in that don't have any water supply capabilities that are backing on major interfaces.

[0:07:03] Voice 6: And if anything happened on either side, the transition between the two would would happen quickly and we have very little way of stopping that.

[0:07:12] Voice 6: And then the last portion, the three prong, we could put in restrictive measures and those restrictive measures would be centered around possibly building materials like shape or cedar shaped roofs, areas that we know are concerned.

[0:07:27] Voice 6: So in wildfire conditions, what we know from, you know, around the province and the world is that buildings tend to burn from the top down.

[0:07:37] Voice 6: And so if we can look at materials that are going to buy not only the homeowners and the community time,

[0:07:44] Voice 6: but the fire services, both locally and provincially with BC Forestry sometime with using building materials that help us,

[0:07:53] Voice 6: that goes a long way to stop the strain.

[0:07:55] Voice 6: and things like that so if we don't have defendable areas if we don't have anchors that we can work

[0:08:01] Voice 6: off of honestly we can't put our members at risk into those areas so we need to have spaces to

[0:08:09] Voice 6: anchor attacks off of that provide us with the safety measures and also the ability to

[0:08:18] Voice 6: start something when it's or sorry handle something when it starts small rather than

[0:08:23] Voice 6: than when it gets to one part.

[0:08:24] Voice 6: So I really just ask you if we can work together,

[0:08:28] Voice 6: collaborate with our staff and your staff

[0:08:31] Voice 6: to put our heads together and come up with

[0:08:34] Voice 6: what is the best approach for dealing with a problem

[0:08:38] Voice 6: that is not going away.

[0:08:42] Voice 9: Appreciate it.

[0:08:47] Voice 9: No questions at this point.

[0:08:50] Voice 9: Well, I just want to say thank you very much, Jamie,

[0:08:52] Voice 9: for coming today.

[0:08:53] Voice 9: and I'm glad hopefully Jonathan's coming on board because in the community wildfire resiliency plan

[0:08:59] Voice 9: Diamond Head very carefully put in all of these recommendations for what the land use

[0:09:04] Voice 9: agency here can do which is just to reinforce what we had said so thank

[0:09:10] Voice 7: you great okay and

[0:09:16] Voice 9: do we have

[0:09:16] Voice 9: uh jonathan ramer online fortunately i do not i sent the link so the meeting starts at 9 30.

[0:09:27] Voice 9: i assumed we'd have 15 minutes of town hall okay um so i asked him if he could join early

[0:09:36] Voice 9: but i was saying 9 50 was when you're probably gonna participate and we're 10 minutes ahead

[0:09:41] Voice 9: i don't know well why don't we do we could do the trustee reports and the

[0:09:47] Voice 9: chairs report and then

[0:09:48] Voice 9: circle back and see if he's joined us i certainly like to give an opportunity to address the

[0:09:54] Voice 9: community uh okay that being the case uh we'll move on to trustee reports for the time being

[0:10:03] Voice 7: who'd like to go first sure um yeah i have nothing to report at this moment so

[0:10:15] Voice 9: Sure, I will. I wanted to add my congratulations to the Transitions Climate Action Research Lab,

[0:10:25] Voice 9: in particular Ruth Baldick, for all their work on the fire risk reduction in close to the

[0:10:30] Voice 9: atmosphere zone. They've become a finalist in the 2023 Nature Inspiration Awards. The award

[0:10:36] Voice 9: sponsor, the Canadian Museum of Nature says, I think it says it all on its timeline, it says

[0:10:41] Voice 9: of saving the world for future generations

[0:10:43] Voice 9: with evidence, knowledge, and inspiration,

[0:10:46] Voice 9: like their tagline.

[0:10:48] Voice 9: I also want to recognize the efforts

[0:10:50] Voice 9: of the Stakaia Learning Society

[0:10:53] Voice 9: and its effort to secure some land adjacent to Waku,

[0:10:57] Voice 9: to expand the wetlands restoration work,

[0:10:59] Voice 9: and to also expand their Youth on the Land program.

[0:11:03] Voice 9: They're going to be kicking off their fundraising tomorrow

[0:11:06] Voice 9: down at the Convergence Festival in Ganges.

[0:11:09] Voice 9: I really encourage people to come out or read about their presentation.

[0:11:13] Voice 9: I have the honor of hearing the youth leaders for the program speak about the program and the benefits it gives to the youth that participate.

[0:11:28] Voice 9: While it's been some time since we met in July, I have been very busy, not only trying to work in my garden and process food like everyone else.

[0:11:41] Voice 9: I have been attending the weekly provincial updates on the wildfire and drought for local government.

[0:11:47] Voice 9: I think it's been a good program.

[0:11:49] Voice 9: The province has been steadfast at that all summer, bringing in all of the ministries and all of the elected officials in the province and been very responsive to answering questions and talking to people.

[0:12:01] Voice 9: It's a very overwhelming process.

[0:12:03] Voice 9: I expect we're going to do more next week at UCM.

[0:12:07] Voice 9: The Regional Planning Committee met a couple of times this summer.

[0:12:11] Voice 9: and is progressing on its work of creating some tools to address trying to make healthy, resilient, violent communities.

[0:12:26] Voice 9: And also, as a member of the Financial Planning Committee, the working group did develop a draft corporate plan,

[0:12:34] Voice 9: which is being delivered, the framework is being delivered to Trust Council next two weeks from now, I guess.

[0:12:40] Voice 9: so hopefully hopefully that will be moved forward uh as a member of the governance committee we've

[0:12:48] Voice 9: been busy trying to do some work on clarifying the understanding of section three the mandate

[0:12:54] Voice 9: or object of the trust and that work is also going to trust council at the meeting coming up

[0:13:01] Voice 9: the southern gulf island forum met this week and that's a venue for all elected official

[0:13:06] Voice 9: officials of all levels of government meeting at Adam Wilson's office. Our discussion is focused

[0:13:14] Voice 9: on housing and also on the marine waters around all our islands, and a couple of actions

[0:13:19] Voice 9: will be forwarded to all of our respective bodies in the coming days. I attended an event

[0:13:29] Voice 9: at Centennial Park on National Overdose Awareness Day. We all have to stop and reflect on how many

[0:13:37] Voice 9: Many of our friends and family here on Salt Spring have lost someone to overdoses.

[0:13:44] Voice 9: The Salt Spring Island Health Advancement Network, known as SHAN, will be hosting an interagency planning meeting on the topic of insecurely and unhoused vulnerable community members.

[0:13:55] Voice 9: I have asked our staff to attend that meeting in case any of the ideas that they come up with need our attention to act on to facilitate.

[0:14:04] Voice 9: facilitate. As we linger in the project definition phase for the OCP land use bylaw review, there's

[0:14:16] Voice 9: so much for us to learn from our work to try to find a path to legalize the accessory willingness

[0:14:23] Voice 9: for residential use. For me, this process has exposed some of our weaknesses. Public

[0:14:28] Voice 9: engagement is not about who yells the loudest. We need to fundamentally change our public

[0:14:34] Voice 9: engagement and communication processes. We continue to stumble along on our journey of

[0:14:40] Voice 9: reconciliation with First Nations. I'm reminded by the words of John Jack, Chief Counselor with the

[0:14:46] Voice 9: Hale First Nation. He speaks to us in local government. He says, you're going to make

[0:14:51] Voice 9: mistakes. He says, what's important is to learn from those mistakes, make corrections, and keep

[0:14:58] Voice 9: working at building meaningful relationships. I was grateful for a meeting with Chief Abraham

[0:15:04] Voice 9: and pelkey to say our first nation the outcomes in this meeting will help us develop an indigenous

[0:15:10] Voice 9: relations approach with all 13 first nations whose territories cover

[0:15:14] Voice 7: salt stream and that's my

[0:15:16] Voice 7: report thank you so

[0:15:20] Voice 8: for my chair's report just a couple

[0:15:24] Voice 9: things um forward here uh trust programs

[0:15:29] Voice 9: programs committee met early in August and one of the outcomes of that was uh was decisions around

[0:15:38] Voice 9: stewardship education speakers series which will be focusing on

[0:15:45] Voice 9: fresh water and wildfire preparedness

[0:15:47] Voice 8: um trustees and uh we'll have we'll have got the uh um request for island specific uh wildfire

[0:16:02] preparedness um existing materials to see if we can find uh finds and materials that are

[0:16:09] appropriate

[0:16:10] Voice 9: for small communities and islands um or specific and uh uh dr patrick talked about

[0:16:18] Voice 9: about the Southern Gulf Islands forum

[0:16:22] that was held the other day.

[0:16:24] One

[0:16:24] Voice 9: of the things I brought up there

[0:16:26] Voice 9: was the Cortez Island's new short-term vacation rentals tax,

[0:16:31] Voice 9: which is, as far as I'm aware,

[0:16:35] it's sort of the pilot in terms of the province.

[0:16:39] The tax on short-term vacation rentals

[0:16:42] Voice 9: is going to be remitted to the Cortez Island Housing Society.

[0:16:47] Voice 9: It's not huge money.

[0:16:49] Voice 9: but it's some money and and as i've heard other housing advocates say any any money helps

[0:16:56] Voice 9: they're estimating that somewhere around fifty thousand dollars a year is going to come in

[0:17:00] Voice 9: that tax uh one of the things i brought up at the forum um was whether the taxes in the southern

[0:17:10] gulf islands some of those might be diverted uh

[0:17:13] Voice 9: from promoting more tourism to uh to going to

[0:17:20] Voice 9: to local household societies crd directors uh said that they would look into that

[0:17:28] that's you know certainly worth having a look at um another thing that we heard from crd directors

[0:17:36] was uh efforts

[0:17:38] Voice 9: to change i'm not sure if it was i don't think it was actually important

[0:17:45] Voice 9: enforcement must sort of change the rules around um trailers and RVs such that uh in terms of the

[0:17:55] Voice 9: building code enforcement if they have um non-attached decks and stairs uh essentially

[0:18:03] Voice 9: quick quick type of septic connections that um that the enforcement model that's currently

[0:18:11] um not allowing them to be changed so i'm looking forward to finding out more about that and seeing

[0:18:17] see where we go seems like uh uh you know relatively quick fix to help alleviate uh

[0:18:26] housing issues in some areas certainly in some cases so i'm glad to hear that the crd directors

[0:18:33] are are thinking about that um more information will be forthcoming

[0:18:38] Voice 9: i believe i missed part of

[0:18:40] Voice 9: meeting but i believe there was also discussion about a uh a southern gulf islands uh first-laced

[0:18:48] Voice 9: nation's um port authority i believe elizabeth may's office was going to pursue that idea

[0:18:57] Voice 9: again i wasn't there for that meeting i had an urgent ferry committee meeting for liskiti

[0:19:03] so i missed that part um islands trust is uh is uh putting together a first nations uh learning

[0:19:15] group uh record first learning and reconciliation groups a number of trustees are signing up for

[0:19:21] that and we have our new senior uh

[0:19:24] Voice 9: indigenous relations uh person who's going to be helping

[0:19:29] helping trustees that are interested to learn more.

[0:19:34] Voice 9: Yesterday was the executive committee meeting,

[0:19:39] Voice 9: heavily focused on preparing for the September

[0:19:42] Voice 9: trust council meeting on Pender Island

[0:19:44] Voice 9: at the end of the month, as Patrick mentioned,

[0:19:47] Voice 9: and sort of touched on some of the important bits there

[0:19:51] Voice 9: around governance, some of the early budget considerations

[0:19:57] Voice 9: coming to that meeting.

[0:19:59] Voice 9: and uh yeah i think i'll leave it at that for today and let's check in and see if

[0:20:10] Voice 9: uh dr raymer's done i just mentioned ending the town hall early somebody else yeah

[0:20:20] Voice 9: okay fair enough um you did this our town hall session but that's okay if you'd like to address

[0:20:27] Voice 9: the local trust committee i'll give you an opportunity now thank you very much

[0:20:30] Voice 9: um it took me 35 minutes to find this place because it's the first time i've been here so

[0:20:35] Voice 9: i went to the lcc meeting and sat there 10 minutes before i realized it would be long

[0:20:40] Voice 9: and also voice my concern about the fact that the lcc meeting is being held at the identical

[0:20:47] time of the ltc meeting because it's not

[0:20:50] Voice 9: helpful to those of us who feel the need to be at both

[0:20:55] my name is mike best i wanted to just ask a couple of questions i heard the talk

[0:21:03] Voice 9: last night at the

[0:21:04] Voice 9: town hall meeting about the housing and obviously lots of people that are very concerned about the

[0:21:09] Voice 9: housing situation of the salt spring i was under the impression from the july ltc meeting that the

[0:21:16] Voice 9: while i think it's 5 30 is going to be discussed and voted on at this meeting

[0:21:21] Voice 9: and i was under the impression beyond the agenda i understood it was taken off the agenda

[0:21:27] Voice 9: my question is who took it off the agenda and if it was trustees i would want to add that we voted

[0:21:38] Voice 9: and elected you to make decisions and to act and not to table things tabling the

[0:21:45] Voice 9: the bylaw really

[0:21:47] Voice 8: putting forth further delay and

[0:21:52] Voice 9: a no decision is basically a vote against.

[0:21:55] Voice 9: I'm not saying in favor or against.

[0:21:57] Voice 9: What I'm asking is I want to see the action done.

[0:22:00] Voice 9: If the trustees were not the ones that removed it from the agenda and it was staff, I want

[0:22:06] Voice 9: to ask how is it that staff has that authority because they were not voted on and elected

[0:22:12] Voice 9: by the populace of the island.

[0:22:15] Voice 9: and they should therefore not have the authority to remove something from the agenda it should be

[0:22:21] Voice 9: up to the trustees and i'd like to ask who removed it hey thank you for the question

[0:22:31] have any comments sir um i wouldn't say that we removed it from the agenda uh i i would suggest

[0:22:38] mr chair that um the the explanation as to why uh the public hearing was not scheduled in the month

[0:22:45] september uh which would not have been in this meeting and in any case we didn't book public

[0:22:50] hearings as a separate uh date and venue um due to the fact that they do take up a considerable

[0:22:55] amount of time and resources um that are practically passed i think we would anticipate

[0:23:00] that um however uh as discussed last night um two resolutions were passed in july one um requesting

[0:23:10] another public hearing in september and a subsequent one indicating that additional

[0:23:15] information about options should be presented unfortunately

[0:23:19] Voice 9: given the timing of this meeting

[0:23:22] the earliest opportunity to provide that and the the timing that it takes to publish a

[0:23:29] notification for public hearing we weren't able to achieve that operationally so the determination

[0:23:37] was the the advising was simply that we didn't have um we weren't able to prepare the report

[0:23:42] on options in time for this meeting um and um advising that if you want to consider additional

[0:23:48] options that we should do that before we do a public hearing that's the the advising that we

[0:23:53] provided to ltc uh over the month of august and uh last week um for the trustees

[0:24:08] Voice 9: trustees. Do we have Jonathan Reimer? Okay, so let's go over to his delegation.

[0:24:18] Voice 2: Good morning, and apologies for the delay. My name is Jonathan Reimer. I am the manager of

[0:24:23] Voice 2: fire and emergency programs here at the Capital Regional District. I come to you to speak just

[0:24:29] Voice 2: quickly on wildfire preparedness, perhaps to echo some of the messages that you've heard from Chief

[0:24:33] Voice 2: Holmes today. Obviously, in the recent weeks and months, we've all been paying close attention

[0:24:39] Voice 2: to the wildfire disasters that we've seen in Maui, West Kelowna, Lytton, and other places.

[0:24:45] Voice 2: And wildfire resilience is something that's, I think, close to the heart of most of your

[0:24:51] Voice 2: residents and is something that is a shared responsibility between the Alliance Trust

[0:24:54] Voice 2: as land manager, CRD as local government, and a series of improvement districts and

[0:25:00] Voice 2: societies and others.

[0:25:02] Voice 2: I'd like to speak just quickly to some of the items that we've been working on here

[0:25:06] Voice 2: at the Capital Regional District that you might be interested in, and then a few of

[0:25:09] Voice 2: initiatives that we can pursue together perhaps in the future so just turn your attention first to

[0:25:16] Voice 2: something that we put out in the spring that was alluded to earlier the community wildfire

[0:25:21] Voice 2: resiliency plan for salt spring island it is a fairly large document uh it's hard to peruse

[0:25:27] Voice 2: there is an at-a-glance version that will answer most of your of the casual questions in there but

[0:25:32] Voice 2: it is a very comprehensive document worth looking into describing the the wildfire risk situation

[0:25:39] Voice 2: situation for Salt Spring and what we did there is we looked at the ecology the fuel systems fire

[0:25:46] Voice 2: history of Salt Spring we did site visits to look at the vegetation and then we produced a wildfire

[0:25:55] Voice 2: risk map for the island and made recommendations a bit of a road map for us to co-build a a more

[0:26:02] Voice 2: resilient community for Salt Spring the main finding that will be of interest to you are

[0:26:08] Voice 2: there's probably two of them uh the main one is that wildfire risk can be described as moderate

[0:26:14] Voice 2: across salt spring island uh and uh moderate wildfire risk means that the the fires of the

[0:26:22] Voice 2: highest intensity like what we saw on maui uh and like what we see i saw recently in in uh west

[0:26:28] Voice 2: colonna are unlikely uh quite unlikely here in in salt spring but the fires of moderate intensity

[0:26:35] Voice 2: city should not be underestimated that we can still see important impacts in in the community

[0:26:40] Voice 2: including the loss of structures including the displacement of people for extended amount of

[0:26:45] Voice 2: time on salt spring so that's good information and the other piece of information that i know

[0:26:50] Voice 2: you're well aware of is that most wildfire risk stems from private land on salt spring island

[0:26:56] Voice 2: under the terms of the grant we were not able to look at and characterize the risk of on private

[0:27:02] Voice 2: private land. And so the next project that I want to bring our attention to is something that I'm

[0:27:08] Voice 2: quite proud of that was a joint project between Islands Trust and the Capital Regional District

[0:27:12] Voice 2: was to create a wildfire exposure map that looked at the distribution of wildfire risk

[0:27:18] Voice 2: geographically across the island, across all land ownership classes. And that's a product that has

[0:27:25] Voice 2: been shared with staff and I think with yourselves as well. And it's something that we're hoping to

[0:27:30] Voice 2: to share publicly within the next week uh with your blessing um beyond that uh there's one more

[0:27:38] Voice 2: product that i think you'd be interested in we've created a wildfire or well actually an all-hazard

[0:27:43] Voice 2: evacuation guide for residents of salt spring island uh that is the intent there is to create

[0:27:49] Voice 2: give folks the tools to prepare for all any emergency that might displace them from their

[0:27:54] Voice 2: home and how that they can prepare for that and let them know what resources you guys have in

[0:27:59] Voice 2: community and on island to prepare there. Happy to answer any more questions you have.

[0:28:06] Voice 2: In what the next steps are here, I think we probably need to start working together at a

[0:28:12] Voice 2: higher level than we have worked at in the past. As you well know, the question and issue of

[0:28:19] Voice 2: fragmented governance is something that is a continual challenge for our island communities

[0:28:23] Voice 2: and an effective wildfire response will require all of us to work together in novel ways.

[0:28:30] Voice 2: And it's something that I'm looking forward to doing with you folks.

[0:28:35] Voice 2: To start off that conversation, our wildfire resiliency plan has at least four different recommendations

[0:28:41] Voice 2: that specifically flag items for the Islands Trust to consider.

[0:28:46] Voice 2: Those include a development approval information provision, development application materials,

[0:28:54] Voice 2: designated wildfire hazard area in the next OCP,

[0:28:58] Voice 2: and similarly a development permit area.

[0:29:01] Voice 2: And so those are items that we are ready

[0:29:04] Voice 2: and willing to collaborate with you to pursue.

[0:29:06] Voice 2: Happy to answer any questions.

[0:29:09] Voice 9: Any questions for the delegate?

[0:29:12] Voice 9: Thanks so much, Jonathan, for being here today.

[0:29:17] Voice 9: And it was very fortunate to have Chief Holmes here

[0:29:22] Voice 9: to also reiterate the recommendations from the report.

[0:29:26] Voice 9: I know there's a funding stream coming available

[0:29:30] Voice 9: through the province and UBCM.

[0:29:33] Voice 9: Is this grant opportunity something that would help support

[0:29:37] Voice 9: some of this work that we need to do jointly together?

[0:29:41] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:29:41] Voice 2: I assume that you are referring to the Community Resiliency Initiative,

[0:29:46] Voice 2: and they fund a range of FireSmart activities.

[0:29:49] Voice 2: activities. Currently, CRD is the approved applicant for that, but some of the activities

[0:29:57] Voice 2: that we would like to see done could be done

[0:30:00] Voice 2: byley islands trust and we could pursue the funding through our side and have some sort of

[0:30:04] Voice 2: funding arrangement to provide that uh you with some of those resources to to complete this work

[0:30:10] Voice 2: our next intake would not be for one year so we would have some time to be able to plan that

[0:30:15] Voice 2: application together great

[0:30:17] Voice 9: thank you anything else for the delegate today thank you all right

[0:30:24] Voice 9: well i'd like to thank you for coming and speaking to us and uh i'd like to ask staff to provide um

[0:30:34] Voice 9: both of these uh delegation materials and just a discreet like in an email form so that we can

[0:30:41] Voice 9: don't have to look through the agenda package for them so if you could just email them to us

[0:30:46] Voice 9: that would be that'd be helpful and then it's easier to refer back to them appreciate that

[0:30:54] Voice 9: i don't see a crd director here or an lcc because they're at another meeting today

[0:31:02] Voice 9: we i believe we got a little bit of a of a written report um hopefully everyone's seen that and

[0:31:11] Voice 9: um they have questions for the crd director then direct them to

[0:31:17] Voice 9: him uh that brings us on to section

[0:31:22] Voice 9: actually eight uh my copy of the agenda is missing the draft minutes um so i'll look to trustees to

[0:31:31] Voice 9: see if there are any uh corrections or issues to the to the minutes um i was gonna say i'll

[0:31:42] Voice 9: make a note yes uh i did identify i have the same product the downloaded version of the agenda

[0:31:49] Voice 9: agenda um doesn't have a bunch of reports in it but uh for once I do not have any corrections for

[0:31:55] Voice 9: the notes okay great question all right so I'll take it by general consent that we will adopt the

[0:32:03] draft minutes the July 13th meeting as presented no

[0:32:09] Voice 8: resolutions without

[0:32:10] Voice 9: meeting report no minutes

[0:32:13] Voice 9: It's from the Advocate for Planning Commissions

[0:32:17] Voice 9: and no public hearing records,

[0:32:19] Voice 9: which brings us to section nine,

[0:32:22] Voice 9: and there is one piece of correspondence here on page 39.

[0:32:28] Voice 9: There's nothing on that,

[0:32:30] Voice 9: but then we can receive that for information.

[0:32:34] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:32:36] Voice 9: We have a follow-up action list on page 42.

[0:32:39] Voice 9: Anything from staff on that?

[0:32:42] Voice 9: Questions from trust?

[0:32:43] Voice 9: didn't want to note uh an error on the fuel uh and

[0:32:47] Voice 8: try

[0:32:48] Voice 9: to be sure how it happened um so at the

[0:32:55] Voice 9: flying recent in may on the sopa item that we talked about in may or june

[0:33:02] Voice 9: um there was a special that we prevented represented the watershed protection plan

[0:33:09] Voice 9: uh draft for lbc consideration and it was recommended that we refer that to

[0:33:19] the um super group um for comment that

[0:33:24] Voice 7: we have on page july july i'll screenshot sure

[0:33:35] Voice 7: um yeah so this this just uh we've identified this is not completed um

[0:33:42] Voice 9: unfortunately given where we're

[0:33:45] Voice 9: at over the um you know with the short-term administrative position for not having the

[0:33:50] Voice 9: contract in place um to wrap this up over the summer um we decided we'll be um right away here

[0:34:00] Voice 9: uh i know there are some stakeholders but we'd like to provide feedback um so we're going to

[0:34:07] get that and um we're anticipating the contract yeah totally so we can um proceed with what we

[0:34:14] mean uh so we'll start that with those again uh have the meetings about them and that forward uh

[0:34:20] we also have been engaged with uh

[0:34:25] Voice 7: yeah there was

[0:34:42] Voice 9: another one that disappeared um that wasn't even in this report and that was uh

[0:34:48] Voice 9: ss 2022 143 it was a motion for the salt spring trust committee requesting staff to coordinate

[0:34:56] Voice 9: a discussion with the province the crd miles trust and polis on the topic of watershed governance

[0:35:02] Voice 9: and the potential occupation of water objectives under the water sustainability act of the lake

[0:35:08] Voice 9: western watershed and um it showed up as complete and never done and i reached out to both the

[0:35:15] Voice 9: freshwater specialist and the staff person that had been assigned to that item

[0:35:21] Voice 9: previous follow-up action list and neither of them responded i said i'd like to know if that

[0:35:26] Voice 9: meeting really was held and what came out of it um i'm not aware of that meeting uh thank you for

[0:35:34] Voice 9: that um i did ask this question vote back that one does go back a little way um so i put that

[0:35:41] question to the appropriate staff um unfortunately i don't have a response for you today um however

[0:35:48] uh just a reminder to lpc um the limitations of the program we haven't generated reports

[0:35:55] uh there is a cutoff going back a certain amount of time uh giving about over 20

[0:35:59] i guess the reason it's come off uh this reporting list is that it has

[0:36:04] Voice 9: um it's just sort of at that

[0:36:06] Voice 9: that time well i found it i found it as potentially complete i think i found a follow-up actually

[0:36:12] Voice 9: but we didn't look into that one uh i think that was from september

[0:36:23] Voice 9: um i just had

[0:36:25] Voice 7: a question uh back to the uh

[0:36:32] Voice 9: the uh ss 20 23 92 which is about the transition of the salt spring island watershed protection

[0:36:40] Voice 9: protection lines the CRD is there I'm

[0:36:42] Voice 7: just curious about the uh the status of that like is that is

[0:36:50] that transition uh ongoing is that right so yeah so it

[0:37:00] Voice 9: it is kind of tied up with that for all that

[0:37:02] Voice 9: conversation about the watershed protection plan is sort of being implemented that sets the up to

[0:37:08] Voice 9: the the stage for that transition outlines uh roles to identify where um where this

[0:37:16] its function and various actions should lie um so that that transition is sort of tied up with the

[0:37:24] continuation of that okay thank you

[0:37:28] Voice 9: um just about i have one more question again it's not in here

[0:37:32] Voice 9: that is the uh seeing that the it was a lcc that schedules their meeting at the same time as our

[0:37:39] Voice 9: meeting because our meeting had been published in advance back where the lcc department existed um

[0:37:46] Voice 9: we had wanted to work on the protocol agreements between the crd and the announced trust and

[0:37:54] Voice 9: what's the status on that uh status on it is that uh we have initiated that conversation um

[0:38:07] there seems to be a desire to

[0:38:08] Voice 9: meet at the staff to staff level first um we did have a staff meeting

[0:38:14] Voice 9: with uh not just crd um this government conversation um we did have a conversation

[0:38:20] uh with a larger interagency

[0:38:23] Voice 9: group that i reported on back in july um so since then i have not had

[0:38:29] Voice 9: uh a chance to follow up on the uh hey

[0:38:37] Voice 7: you know some

[0:38:38] Voice 9: involved bachelors today

[0:38:41] Voice 9: okay we'll move on to 10.2 the coastal douglas and for project age

[0:38:50] Voice 7: 56. this is your staff member

[0:39:05] Voice 7: as a

[0:39:08] Voice 9: follow-up option list this is a resubmission of the report provided by

[0:39:17] Voice 9: liner garbo with the updated report from rick waldick as requested when it was particularly

[0:39:30] Voice 9: presented I was under the impression that it would be here today to speak to any of the items

[0:39:42] Voice 9: I know that email was sent to LTC and maybe that addressed

[0:39:51] Voice 9: be honest I haven't had a chance to read myself so questions would be to regarding any of this

[0:39:58] Voice 9: i would defer to the rpm i'm just the best any questions on this

[0:40:05] comments and questions thank you sir peterson i still have major apprehensions accepting

[0:40:17] anything from transition salts for at this point i'm on their website right now

[0:40:22] Voice 9: and there is

[0:40:23] Voice 9: There's wording that the Amherst Trust has recognized as invalid, and there's also misstating

[0:40:32] Voice 9: information, of course, sections of the website, CDF, the picture of the yellow cedar that

[0:40:40] is very, very pretty.

[0:40:43] And with this and with

[0:40:46] Voice 9: Ruth not being here, I would like to see this item on the agenda

[0:40:50] Voice 9: a deferred possibility

[0:40:55] Voice 7: of visiting any other public that's patrick um

[0:41:01] Voice 9: i attended the workshop

[0:41:03] Voice 9: um i think the report uh is more than adequate i think we're accepting the motion i think it's

[0:41:10] we should receive the report uh it was their workshop um

[0:41:14] Voice 9: and so i think the report's very

[0:41:16] Voice 9: accurate i appreciate their efforts to address the issues that were raised and i think we should

[0:41:22] Voice 9: just receive the report and move on mr chair yes sir i'm not i'm clearly not able to receive this

[0:41:32] Voice 9: report at this time because i mentioned the website information that dallas trust is recognizing

[0:41:39] Voice 9: measures to uh alleviate that because of liability that we accept this report

[0:41:45] Voice 9: core interconnected transition software in my opinion could be opening ourselves up to legal

[0:41:52] liability still um i think it

[0:41:54] Voice 7: would be legitimate um i'm going to put the motion on the

[0:42:04] Voice 9: floor i

[0:42:05] Voice 9: believe that the south spring island trust committee received the workshop summary reports

[0:42:11] Voice 9: uh so little and i will second that and i have a question for staff

[0:42:17] around uh trustee harris's concerns with liabilities um clearly the local trust committee

[0:42:28] Voice 9: did not produce this report uh we're receiving it um is there in fact any potential liability

[0:42:38] Voice 9: receiving a report from another station um well i'm going to start out by saying that anything

[0:42:46] thing that that's on the agenda that comes up um at this point you've essentially received it um

[0:42:51] so much so especially that um the declaration to receive a report is simply um that um and um

[0:42:58] there's no real implication to it at all um it's not to say that you've accepted it that you've

[0:43:03] adopted it that you would have taken on you acknowledge it um it's simply to say that you've

[0:43:08] to receive this report um and and um with

[0:43:15] Voice 9: regards to liability um the the reality is that the

[0:43:19] bigger risk probably is with the notion that uh crd has articulated uh the existence of fire risk

[0:43:26] on the island so the wildfire exists um and as we talked about we talked about vpa uh the notion of

[0:43:33] how development permitting works for uh for wildfire to create wildfire prevention

[0:43:38] Part of that is typically indemnification or ensuring that the duty of care is met to address wildfire risk or committing development in wildland areas that we're not putting people at risk as part of our liability.

[0:43:55] Voice 9: I'm not aware of anything in terms of qualified statements that indicate risk beyond that in this report.

[0:44:05] Um, I I would not consider that I wouldn't say that you need to adopt this plan. You don't get dealt. He did not feel that they need to adopt it. You can't just receive it. They there it's done. Uh and close this project. Um alternatively, I would suggest off the cuff by me, Mr. Chair, um that we could um I wouldn't suggest deferring this report. I would suggest um just moving that this that um

[0:44:33] Well, they can be invited to come back to to to follow up on on your email and and and just maybe present on this.

[0:44:41] Voice 9: Is that something that helps there?

[0:44:46] Voice 9: I'm a little uncomfortable taking legal advice from a legal expert in any sense of the word.

[0:44:57] Again, the line here under the recommendation says to accept the workshop summary, not receive it.

[0:45:07] If it said receive, I still wouldn't be able to be

[0:45:12] Voice 9: in favor of that.

[0:45:14] Voice 9: um i'll go back again to say the website is right here there is language on here but it's

[0:45:20] Voice 9: false we have recognized that and i will not be able to accept anything from any organization

[0:45:26] that is pushing false information okay thank you for that and i'll note that trustee patrick's most

[0:45:35] did not say accept

[0:45:36] Voice 9: what said to deceive um that's secret information which which is different than

[0:45:44] Voice 9: accept or adopt uh trustee patrick do you know something further i don't know

[0:45:53] Voice 9: there's a motion on the screen i'm sorry uh sorry um the motions here on my speech is that okay

[0:46:02] Voice 9: and then i've highlighted itself because the motion actually

[0:46:06] Voice 7: says receive um so anything

[0:46:15] Voice 7: anything further on the motion no okay

[0:46:19] Voice 9: well i'll call the question all in favor

[0:46:22] Voice 9: and all opposed and would you like your opposite yes at least okay um okay there's a further

[0:46:30] Voice 9: recommendation here is there any appetite to explore that at this time justin patrick i'm

[0:46:35] Voice 9: just wondering if you're going to burn that for that conversation so we talked about the

[0:46:39] Voice 9: city project which is the receiving body of the information so could we revisit this motion after

[0:46:46] Voice 9: when we talk about 14.1 um

[0:46:50] Voice 7: it's fine with me so i'll just leave that for now and move on

[0:47:03] Voice 7: okay so that brings us to here uh april 28th special meeting

[0:47:15] Voice 8: what we heard staff report on page

[0:47:17] Voice 8: from 19.

[0:47:19] Voice 7: and who's leading on this one here i think um

[0:47:29] Voice 9: report on this uh respond this was really just an up to animate item we've been we've

[0:47:35] Voice 9: had this for a while in order to get it back around uh lpc that's the lpc here to um to just

[0:47:43] um follow up on this um going back to um the rundown of what we heard um and this is certainly

[0:47:54] open to discussion uh it is uh what we heard from from you as lpc so uh if there's things that are

[0:48:00] missing here or if you

[0:48:01] Voice 9: would like to have a wider discussion about this uh either in this meeting

[0:48:05] Voice 9: or in another uh avenue uh it's really just there for your consideration the i will remind you this

[0:48:12] Voice 9: This meeting we held back in April was to sort of set the stage for some type of a strategy at the Salt Spring level or what sort of shared goals were that we worked on in the Salt Spring LDA.

[0:48:30] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:48:31] Voice 8: Trustees, any questions, comments?

[0:48:34] Voice 9: Yes, sir.

[0:48:36] Voice 9: Back when we received the minutes of that April 28 meeting, we made numerous changes to those minutes because we did not reach consensus.

[0:48:43] Voice 9: It was just a talking session where we had information that we shared.

[0:48:48] Voice 9: And so we had corrected those minutes to make sure it was just a trustee said or trustee said.

[0:48:53] Voice 9: So this what we've heard is still not it's not reconciled.

[0:48:57] Voice 9: We haven't we haven't agreed. We haven't worked through a strategic planning.

[0:49:01] Voice 9: So, you know, I would have to go through here and make all the same changes that we made the minutes.

[0:49:05] Voice 9: So I think the minutes is adequate at this time to cover what we heard and that we should just, you know, to me, we're going to solve some of this by doing the scoping of the OCP land use bylaw project needs us to go through an exercise to narrow down what we're doing on OCP.

[0:49:24] Voice 9: so um i would just i i think this needs a lot of work uh and doesn't do any benefit in what's

[0:49:34] Voice 9: already in the minutes from the uh april 28th meeting okay thank

[0:49:41] Voice 7: you trustee harris yeah um

[0:49:44] Voice 7: i'm not prepared to uh to

[0:49:49] Voice 9: approve this i would love to have a second and third reading of

[0:49:54] Voice 9: by 5 30 as we talked about i think that's far more important than what i'm looking at right

[0:50:00] Voice 9: here in front of me um okay

[0:50:05] Voice 7: so um concerns about just moving on then

[0:50:14] Voice 9: mr mr chair there's no uh

[0:50:16] Voice 9: direction to do any further strategic planning that's fine and it's um for good to uh move

[0:50:20] office uh

[0:50:21] Voice 9: again just don't even fall back unless people agree um okay uh let's move on though uh

[0:50:33] then we have uh no community

[0:50:35] Voice 8: information meeting today and no public hearing we have a break

[0:50:39] Voice 9: scheduled but i think a bit early um i'm wondering though in terms of these applications uh if there's

[0:50:50] Voice 9: going to be applicants joining us i wonder if maybe we should move ahead

[0:50:53] Voice 8: and do

[0:50:54] Voice 9: some other

[0:50:55] Voice 9: work and then come back to the application section after our break does that seem reasonable

[0:51:01] mr chair if you desire to move forward to uh either m14 or 15 um would be would be acceptable

[0:51:15] okay well let's acceptable trustees then let's

[0:51:18] Voice 9: move up to section 14 and then after the break

[0:51:21] Voice 9: we'll come back to the applications in case an applicant's coming for me oh uh on page 205

[0:51:28] Voice 9: sorry i tried and say that the page number but i don't always know how much

[0:51:35] Voice 9: okay so this is the report name is the business cases results from island local trust committee

[0:51:46] Voice 9: many projects um and there we have them on page 205 there's a couple of recommendations and this

[0:51:55] is coming to us from regional planning manager yes um so mr chair this is um i mean we've been

[0:52:04] we've been talking about um the the ocp for quite some time um and and uh you know you're all aware

[0:52:11] of how this project has progressed over the summer uh with the grant work that we've been doing and

[0:52:16] and the impacts that have on life.

[0:52:21] Unfortunately, well, I mean, for good or bad or worse,

[0:52:25] the

[0:52:25] Voice 9: budgeting process at Island's Trust requires

[0:52:28] that funding is approved for the fiscal year.

[0:52:32] If it's not used up in that year,

[0:52:35] the remainder is automatically returned to reserve

[0:52:37] and the new business case is required to appear

[0:52:39] in order to

[0:52:40] Voice 9: continue as a following fiscal year.

[0:52:43] Voice 9: So in anticipation of that,

[0:52:45] Voice 9: we recognize that we won't be able to complete uh hope the ocp will again be reviewed within

[0:52:50] Voice 9: this fiscal year in march 2024 uh so we've represented um these business cases are uh

[0:52:57] Voice 9: adapted to the budget that was uh ultimately adopted um for this fiscal year um and we've

[0:53:04] Voice 9: also provided a bit of a projection uh on what we expect um to uh to spend by the end of the fiscal

[0:53:12] Voice 9: but that's like that as the budget improvement process continues that that actual number will

[0:53:17] Voice 9: firm up and can be addressed uh in addition we have expanded the uh the risk management section

[0:53:25] Voice 9: somewhat uh as well as incorporating uh some other recent uh steps that have been taken uh primarily

[0:53:33] Voice 9: primarily around reconciliation and the

[0:53:36] Voice 7: project plan,

[0:53:41] Voice 7: as well as that resource.

[0:53:46] Voice 7: Thank you, Matt.

[0:53:48] Voice 7: Any questions?

[0:53:55] Voice 7: Oh, I'll hold off, and then I'll ask.

[0:53:58] Voice 9: Anybody else have anything to say?

[0:54:01] Voice 9: Catherine?

[0:54:03] Voice 9: Yeah, I have a number of things, I guess.

[0:54:05] Voice 9: I mean, this

[0:54:08] Voice 7: is a very important project, really.

[0:54:09] Voice 7: and last night we've

[0:54:14] Voice 9: heard, we know, but we've also heard the urgency that's necessary

[0:54:23] Voice 9: for expanding the options of housing for people who actually live and work here

[0:54:31] Voice 9: and they're leaving. People are leaving. The Crofton Ferry a couple weeks ago,

[0:54:39] Voice 9: until a young family leaving Salisbury

[0:54:41] Voice 9: because they cannot find secure housing.

[0:54:49] Voice 9: So I have a hard time still getting a sense

[0:54:54] Voice 9: of the project from this

[0:55:00] Voice 9: and a full understanding that we do comprehend

[0:55:03] Voice 9: the problems that we're trying to work on.

[0:55:07] Voice 9: Have we taken the time?

[0:55:09] Voice 9: We just talked about that previous document

[0:55:10] Voice 9: that was sort of unfinished.

[0:55:12] Voice 9: we had a brainstormed conversation back in April.

[0:55:16] Voice 9: We still haven't finished clarifying

[0:55:20] Voice 9: and to me consensus is probably the wrong word,

[0:55:27] Voice 9: but an understanding between us as trustees

[0:55:30] Voice 9: and staff on sort of what are we hoping to achieve

[0:55:34] Voice 9: with this project?

[0:55:35] Voice 9: What are our objectives

[0:55:39] Voice 7: going forward?

[0:55:41] Voice 7: going forward um at a minimum there's a couple of things and i'm and i don't i don't really

[0:55:50] Voice 9: want to wait for it and you've talked about the need for a work plan of some form because there's

[0:55:57] Voice 9: a number of things missing in here too and that is the interagency part glad to hear jonathan

[0:56:04] Voice 9: reimer pledging his involvement today protocol agreement saying we work with crd on growth

[0:56:10] Voice 9: management issues. We've got more salt spraying, we've got the buyer department, we've got lots of

[0:56:16] Voice 9: partners that we need to work with to look at the OCP. In fact, I really believe the OCP shouldn't

[0:56:24] Voice 9: have our logo on the front. It should have every logo of every organization on salt spraying on

[0:56:28] Voice 9: the front, our government agency, not the organization. I really think we need to create

[0:56:38] Voice 9: a work plan that describes what we need to do.

[0:56:44] Voice 9: I know the section there in the change management talks about some things there,

[0:56:50] Voice 9: but I think I'd like to see specifically added to that section the development

[0:56:54] Voice 9: of a detailed and phased work plan that does identify,

[0:56:57] Voice 9: because I don't see this project as being a project.

[0:57:00] Voice 9: It really is a collection of projects.

[0:57:02] Voice 9: There's a lot of things that need to happen in this OCP from sort

[0:57:08] Voice 9: the understanding, what are we trying to do, the background information and data of what is the

[0:57:14] Voice 9: problem. And there may be numerous deliverables, there may be numerous decision points that we're

[0:57:22] Voice 9: going to be involved. It's not just work, work, work, work, work, show up with a draft OCP.

[0:57:29] Voice 9: That's not how this project is going to unfold. It's going to be a series of projects really,

[0:57:34] Voice 9: actions that culminate in a

[0:57:39] Voice 7: draft OCP.

[0:57:45] Voice 7: So I would like to see that change

[0:57:48] Voice 9: that we add a requirement for work plan,

[0:57:52] Voice 9: the timing of that work plan.

[0:57:54] Voice 9: I'd almost like to see it before, definitely.

[0:57:57] Voice 9: I'd like to see that sooner than later.

[0:58:00] Voice 9: And I understand it's going to be some flexibility,

[0:58:02] Voice 9: some actions we'll learn from the results of that action,

[0:58:06] Voice 9: which may change the next steps depending on what we hear um the other piece is under um i think the

[0:58:15] Voice 9: protection of the coastal Douglas fir um we basically have moved on from that term last

[0:58:22] Voice 9: term and we moved on from it already and what we've heard this morning we're really talking

[0:58:26] Voice 9: about wildfire resiliency and um and we're talking about the recommendations that are in this report

[0:58:33] Voice 9: board. CRD has done the work. They've looked at our OCP. They've made recommendations on what

[0:58:41] Voice 9: needs to be done. And so I'd like to see that section replaced and removed and replaced with

[0:58:49] Voice 9: a wildfire resiliency that includes descriptions of this plan and the opportunities that are

[0:58:57] Voice 9: are presented in there and

[0:59:00] Voice 7: i'll stop talking for right now thank you um yeah i've got a huge

[0:59:08] Voice 7: problem on this um

[0:59:09] Voice 9: we all we need to do is amend the housing section of the ocp as we heard people

[0:59:15] Voice 6: talk last night 20 years ago we've heard this i can't believe i'm going to say this again and

[0:59:19] Voice 6: again anything we need to drop everything and get this second and third

[0:59:24] Voice 9: reading of bylaw 530 done

[0:59:26] Voice 9: it's clear we've got a crisis on our hands we don't need a giant project at this stage

[0:59:35] Voice 9: it'll be great we don't have time for that people are leaving i may have to commute back

[0:59:40] Voice 9: this is ridiculous past freaking 5 30 i don't see what the holdout is i hear all this talk

[0:59:50] Voice 9: about work

[0:59:50] Voice 7: plans and hand bringing i'm i really need to bite my tongue drop every

[1:00:00] Voice 7: thing second and third reading of bylaw 530

[1:00:04] Voice 9: it's simple between

[1:00:05] Voice 6: now and a month from now

[1:00:08] Voice 6: and let's vote on it and then we need to do added zoning densities to zoning for workforce

[1:00:16] Voice 7: ownership housing projects all the rest of this stuff's going to

[1:00:19] Voice 7: take forever wildfire yeah that's

[1:00:23] Voice 9: great we need to hear from wildfire experts we need to um do all kinds of things i'm definitely

[1:00:29] Voice 9: not listening to Transition Salisbury. Anything they have to say. Their website pushes false

[1:00:35] Voice 9: information, which has driven polarization and

[1:00:40] Voice 7: climate anxiety within our community.

[1:00:41] Voice 7: It's had a negative effect on our social well-being. So this, what I see in front of me, it's useless

[1:00:51] Voice 7: to me. We need to pass by 30. Second and third reading. I don't know how many times we've

[1:00:58] Voice 7: to say thank you

[1:01:01] Voice 9: um another question for staff just as a reminder um because it's not sticking

[1:01:07] Voice 9: in my head there's uh when are we gonna hear back about the complete community grant and uh

[1:01:18] Voice 9: and also when is the as accelerator fund uh announcements coming we know we're expecting

[1:01:24] that because of time in september uh both of them yeah how's the community uh the cmhc one was

[1:01:33] late summer to early fall so um right they haven't provided dates just sort of

[1:01:39] Voice 8: no dedicated for that okay uh or at least once okay

[1:01:47] Voice 9: so we should know by the end of the month

[1:01:50] Voice 9: what our status is on both of those okay thank you for that um trustee patrick did you have

[1:01:57] Voice 9: something further well um i i've seen bylaw 530 our accessory dwelling units is proceeding is not

[1:02:05] Voice 9: this project that's something else that's coming to us in a separate stock report this is the ocp

[1:02:11] Voice 9: land use bylaw project which will allow us to do and look at expanding other housing options

[1:02:18] Voice 9: and correcting some of the challenges

[1:02:20] Voice 9: that we're facing in the community.

[1:02:22] Voice 9: The wildfire resiliency is about where we're building houses,

[1:02:26] Voice 9: which is part of that.

[1:02:27] Voice 9: So making sure that we're not adding to the risks

[1:02:31] Voice 9: that are out there and responding.

[1:02:33] Voice 9: This is not transition salt spring.

[1:02:34] Voice 9: This is CRE's report that they used

[1:02:37] Voice 9: at Diamond Head Consulting to prepare.

[1:02:42] Voice 9: So I want to make sure that we've built into this project

[1:02:45] Voice 9: the flexibility um that can accommodate the the grants that we that we have so that that's um

[1:02:53] Voice 9: we're building a flexible project um that like i said is really a series of

[1:02:58] Voice 9: of projects or actions as it moves forward here okay and uh uh just before i go to you i just

[1:03:07] want to uh note that we all acknowledge that um bylaw

[1:03:14] Voice 9: 530 is just the first step

[1:03:19] Voice 9: in uh in

[1:03:20] Voice 9: in the desire for recent housing availability and affordability here

[1:03:28] Voice 9: and uh these recommendations are about getting our our funding requests into the trust council

[1:03:35] Voice 9: for what we're not dealing with next year so uh and then um we'll have just here um

[1:03:42] Voice 9: thank you chair peterson um when i hear doc if it's from the crd or transition salt spring of

[1:03:48] Voice 9: where to build houses all i hear in my mind is we're not going to build them where there's forest

[1:03:53] Voice 9: because of this wildfire and to me it's being used disingenuously to push this agenda that

[1:04:00] Voice 9: everybody knows us better we can build in the forest we can cut trees down and all the rest of

[1:04:06] Voice 9: it without having a forest fire um as far as the ocp goes again we don't need to be doing this

[1:04:14] project right now we need to be

[1:04:15] Voice 9: doing bylaw 530 and honestly we're waiting for some pretty major

[1:04:19] Voice 9: stuff coming out of the governance committee and going to trust council that speaks to section 3

[1:04:24] Voice 9: which will completely put a different shape or view on what

[1:04:31] Voice 6: our ocp is going to look like

[1:04:32] Voice 9: so

[1:04:33] Voice 6: at this point i don't i don't understand why we're even talking about it let's get 530 passed

[1:04:39] Voice 6: and get on with some real work there's a housing

[1:04:41] Voice 9: crisis going on the rest of this to me is just

[1:04:43] stalling and

[1:04:44] Voice 9: time wasting purposely um trustee patrick well i'd like to make a couple of

[1:04:51] Voice 9: amendments i have a motion i know i did forward it to sarah but i guess uh did you want it for

[1:04:57] Voice 9: the screen who's controlling the screens mr

[1:05:01] Voice 8: engler are you controlling the

[1:05:02] Voice 8: screen um just what we're

[1:05:04] doing i mean it's one of the strongest question i guess we if we

[1:05:10] Voice 9: get through by law by 30 tomorrow

[1:05:11] Voice 9: and try to say we get this done before the end of the fiscal this is to get some funding

[1:05:18] Voice 9: funding i understand your frustration but this is our planning ahead for that for the next pieces

[1:05:27] Voice 9: yeah sorry i just um i had already been necessary i forgot to give it to ross okay

[1:05:35] so uh

[1:05:41] Voice 9: i moved that the salt spring island trust committee amended the major amendments to

[1:05:46] Voice 9: to Saltspring and OCP business case by adding to the change management communications collaboration

[1:05:52] Voice 9: section the development of a detailed and phased work plan for LTC approval that includes

[1:06:01] Voice 9: but is not limited to external professional expertise required, project timeline, estimated

[1:06:07] Voice 9: cost, activities, interagency cooperation, key milestones and decision points, and deliverables.

[1:06:18] still moved uh would you like to second that no thank you i'll i'll second that

[1:06:23] Voice 8: um for the

[1:06:24] Voice 8: discussion we spoke

[1:06:27] Voice 9: about this uh back i don't remember a previous meeting and i um i thought

[1:06:34] Voice 9: that staff was generally agreeing that a work plan of some form would be uh useful going forward um

[1:06:41] Voice 9: Um, I, I know most, most, most municipalities that's, uh, they use work plans to, to run

[1:06:47] Voice 9: the projects or to, to communicate the projects.

[1:06:50] Voice 9: And I think this is, uh, um, I think this project is complex enough, uh, that we need

[1:06:56] Voice 9: to really lay that, lay that out.

[1:06:58] Voice 9: And, um, um, and especially the, the interagency cooperation piece that, um, is so important,

[1:07:06] Voice 9: important uh for us to make any um true headway with the OCP that represents this community so

[1:07:15] Voice 7: any further

[1:07:16] Voice 7: discussion um I disagree

[1:07:18] Voice 9: about getting your agency um stuff that we were supposed to be

[1:07:22] a land use authority and that's big things coming down as far as section three unique amenities goes

[1:07:30] um which is going to change how we make our decisions and how we shape them hopefully

[1:07:35] Voice 9: I

[1:07:36] Voice 9: I see all kinds of fancy wording and all this, you know, staff reports and all kinds of things that have gone on.

[1:07:43] Voice 9: We have made it clear that there's a housing crisis going on.

[1:07:48] Voice 9: We've known about it forever.

[1:07:49] Voice 6: There's not enough time to do all this stuff.

[1:07:51] Voice 6: We don't have enough time to do second and third reading of Bylaw 530, which I was assured that we were going to do.

[1:07:58] Voice 6: And oh, just a couple more months.

[1:08:00] Voice 6: Who cares?

[1:08:01] Voice 6: Just a couple more months.

[1:08:02] Voice 6: What does that mean?

[1:08:02] Voice 9: Well, that means more people have to leave.

[1:08:05] Voice 9: And now it's going to be another month.

[1:08:07] Voice 9: for another couple more months so i'm not in support of anything i see in front of me at this

[1:08:13] Voice 9: point until we uh get 5 30 dealt with okay uh yes Patrick i'm going to work on section three

[1:08:23] Voice 9: is invaluable and important uh but also point out that section three says preserve and protect

[1:08:27] Voice 9: in cooperation with that is an important element of of the mandate okay any

[1:08:38] Voice 7: further discussion on

[1:08:39] Voice 7: the motion thank you okay um the call the question all in favor any opposed

[1:08:46] Voice 9: and would you like your

[1:08:47] Voice 9: opposition yes please thank you okay and another amendment okay go ahead um so i have a second

[1:08:57] Voice 9: amendment here and i'll just go ahead and make the motion i'm at the salt spring island mobile

[1:09:02] Voice 9: trust many amend the major amendments to the salt spring ocp business case by replacing

[1:09:08] Voice 9: the protection of coastal douglas for the zones and associated ecosystem section

[1:09:13] Voice 9: with wildfire resiliency and including a description of the recently completed

[1:09:19] Voice 9: community wildlife resilience plan and the relevant land use management recommendations

[1:09:24] Voice 9: from the plan so moved i'll second that uh discussion speak to your motion well i think

[1:09:33] Voice 9: we heard from uh this morning uh having the director jonathan reimer who i should say also

[1:09:39] Voice 9: came to this job from formerly being with the bc wildfire service so uh we're very fortunate to

[1:09:47] Voice 9: have such a competent person in that role you've heard him pledge that he wants to work with us

[1:09:54] on this and i think this just clarifies that section to what it is

[1:09:57] Voice 9: that we're doing um with

[1:09:59] Voice 9: the ocb and that opportunity to get funding hopefully to help some of this okay

[1:10:07] Voice 9: because that was first associated ecosystem project started off as fear-mongering and

[1:10:13] Voice 9: loaded with false information was a complete attack on many members of our community including

[1:10:19] Voice 9: local first nations i'm not in favor of anything cdf and associated ecosystem projects or anything

[1:10:24] Voice 9: that's connected to it um let me do that thank you uh if i'm not mistaken the motion is to replace

[1:10:32] Voice 9: that with the wildfire resiliency so we'll be removing that placing the wildfire yeah

[1:10:38] Voice 9: okay anything further uh i'll call the question then all in favor

[1:10:46] Voice 9: any opposed like your opposition please

[1:10:49] Voice 7: thank you okay and action on that second

[1:10:57] Voice 9: yes can i

[1:10:58] Voice 9: just ask a question of staff um are there any other amendments to the business case

[1:11:03] Voice 9: that or any direction that we could give to provide that flexibility to stop to

[1:11:09] Voice 9: um to ensure that this business case is building a project that is flexible for um or can we just

[1:11:17] Voice 9: hold off and wait till we know about them you know if we can modify i guess this again if we

[1:11:21] Voice 9: have some changes coming because of grants or anything the

[1:11:25] Voice 8: um the hope is uh with the

[1:11:29] with the work plan um we would we will be able to continue to work on this project uh that provides

[1:11:37] more clarity on the wider uh suite of projects going forward um anything uh that evolved out

[1:11:45] that process uh uh staff will soon be mindful uh and lpc staff that gets to recommend or resolve

[1:11:53] that uh certainly suggest that helps you resolve that um any improved clarity on these projects

[1:12:00] to wherever this uh business case ends up in the budget consideration process to ensure that the

[1:12:08] and information will be supplemental um to help promote this business case if the budget process

[1:12:15] continues um it's a it is something that's the deadline for business cases make this

[1:12:21] um necessary to be a bit of a request uh i've heard some like the fish is called the green

[1:12:27] banana um so it's something that's really not ready to be open but uh we're at a point here

[1:12:33] where we it's good to move forward with uh requesting this funding um and refining that

[1:12:39] process to understand where we're going uh if lpc wishes to continue um with these projects

[1:12:46] yes sir if we don't ask for funding

[1:12:48] Voice 9: uh no matter we won't have the funding when we're ready uh

[1:12:52] Voice 9: trustee patrick okay so were you recommending we make a motion that gives the flexibility as well

[1:13:00] Voice 9: um the business cases have been drafted sufficiently broadly to accommodate this

[1:13:06] so we know that this is adequate forward that's what i'm just about to carry on um okay well i'll

[1:13:13] make a motion regarding this first business case i know that the salt spring island local

[1:13:17] trust committee requests the business case for the major amendment to the

[1:13:20] Voice 9: salt spring island

[1:13:21] Voice 9: local trust committee efficient community plan and the salt spring island local trust committee

[1:13:26] Voice 9: land use by law as amended in attachment one be considered by the stress finance committee

[1:13:36] Voice 9: for inclusion in the 2024-25 tiles trust budget uh so we'll do that i think as

[1:13:44] Voice 5: a minute to go

[1:13:45] Voice 5: following attachment sure

[1:13:47] Voice 9: thank you um english isn't great to speak to your motion a little

[1:13:53] Voice 9: further um i'm just

[1:13:58] Voice 6: you know astounded that this dollar figure that to amend the how we don't need

[1:14:04] Voice 6: a major ocp at this point we've got a housing crisis we need to amend the housing section of

[1:14:10] Voice 6: it it can be done in a day and we could vote on it

[1:14:14] Voice 6: to

[1:14:15] Voice 9: think that this kind of money i i'm astounded

[1:14:24] Voice 9: we are bound uh when we touch the ocb to go through the process

[1:14:33] Voice 9: and that's what makes this complicated and it's also hasn't been touched since 2008

[1:14:40] Voice 9: we don't know what what's going to all be necessary at the end of the day so we have to

[1:14:45] Voice 9: is we have to go through process to do this

[1:14:48] Voice 7: legally and uh correctly okay if they're going

[1:14:55] Voice 7: for the discussion i will call the question one was in favor any opposed and

[1:15:01] Voice 9: would you like your

[1:15:01] Voice 9: opposition noted yes please thank you okay and second

[1:15:09] Voice 7: recommendation there on the second business

[1:15:12] Voice 7: second business case here okay do you have something that you'd like for

[1:15:21] Voice 9: that one as well

[1:15:22] Voice 9: well

[1:15:23] Voice 7: i'm a bit

[1:15:26] Voice 9: flustered uh with with this one um the way this reads is to me it's sort of going

[1:15:36] Voice 9: back to well we've done enough we just have to write this plan and we're all done and this

[1:15:44] Voice 9: Ganges is really this really is about working in cooperation with everybody um we have a water

[1:15:53] Voice 9: moratorium there's some major issues that need to be worked through if we do an area plan on the

[1:15:59] Voice 9: status quo i refer that as the tumbleweed method or the village dying plan um we really need to

[1:16:09] Voice 9: work with our partners to uh truly have a good understanding of the impacts of you know what

[1:16:17] Voice 9: What might change with the moratorium, and what does the village look like to be that resilient, inclusive, diverse, thriving village that I would hope we're imagining, not the let's let the things slowly die version that we're seeing.

[1:16:39] Voice 9: um so i'm quite concerned that this this business case is sort of reverted back to let's just get a

[1:16:47] Voice 9: plan done based on what you know we already know what we need to move on i don't think that's we

[1:16:52] Voice 9: do know what we need um we

[1:16:57] Voice 7: haven't tackled some of these really important issues okay

[1:17:16] Voice 7: I don't know where to begin, to be frank.

[1:17:28] Voice 7: Is Gandy's village important? Yes.

[1:17:32] Voice 9: It should be a major piece of the OCP.

[1:17:36] Voice 9: We do have a resolution that we passed that's not even referenced in this business case.

[1:17:41] Voice 9: We put the project on hold while we deal with the village containment boundary as part of our OCP project.

[1:17:51] Voice 7: and so we have to deal with that piece we have to look

[1:17:55] Voice 9: at you know how what is that

[1:17:58] Voice 9: village containment boundary which I

[1:18:00] Voice 9: found out was in the 1997-98 whichever year it was OCP

[1:18:05] Voice 9: we had

[1:18:06] Voice 6: a village containment

[1:18:06] Voice 9: area it disappeared out of the 2008 one so it's not like this is a

[1:18:11] Voice 9: new concept it's returning to an existing concept um so I see this as being closely related to the

[1:18:23] Voice 9: OCP project or you know there's there's some steps that we have to go through in the OCP project to

[1:18:30] Voice 9: inform this this project and I see that being clear the water the boundaries um

[1:18:39] Voice 7: and some of the

[1:18:44] Voice 9: down being even put which I hope we can I hope like I said I really couldn't see a thriving

[1:18:52] Voice 9: ability but that really means density being directed there

[1:18:57] Voice 7: can it be there's a lot of those

[1:19:00] Voice 7: questions have to come out of the ocp project i thought you

[1:19:05] Voice 8: know the staff

[1:19:06] Voice 9: is that am i wrong to

[1:19:08] Voice 9: know would we be dealing with the ocp project would be informing this one

[1:19:12] Voice 9: uh yes um the the conversation about the previous conversation about a work plan um for the ocp and

[1:19:22] for the projects um my view would certainly include identifying a process where um gandhi's

[1:19:30] where the gandhi project sort of reactivates um can

[1:19:34] Voice 9: be done at the same time as the ocp can

[1:19:36] Voice 9: be integrated into that project process um or uh or come after it uh provide you with a report on

[1:19:44] the benefits of that overall

[1:19:46] Voice 7: project process so there's a need for that the so yeah it's

[1:19:55] reasonable to expect that ideally despite that we have a sort of a significant investment and

[1:20:03] engagement point on the game on the identity process that is sort of growing more stale

[1:20:09] we can we can reinitiate that once the ocp gets a certain point or consider how it creates that

[1:20:15] that project the public conversation uh to find economic efficiencies and democratic as well

[1:20:21] um to help uh address that that makes

[1:20:26] Voice 9: sense to answer your question um i think i think so i mean

[1:20:32] Voice 9: i just i'm just cautious that i guess i know that we have done some engagement i'm just concerned

[1:20:40] Voice 9: that if i don't want to leave the risk of that we're just going to go now do an area plan based

[1:20:46] Voice 9: on that engagement because we can engage you know the crd and the

[1:20:52] Voice 9: sewer system restrictions and the

[1:20:54] Voice 9: north salt spring on water and there's a lot of fundamental aspects of the village that um that

[1:21:00] Voice 9: we need to have those answers to be able to say really what the future could be um because our

[1:21:06] Voice 9: partners are going to come to the table maybe the crd has plans to expand the sewer system or maybe

[1:21:11] Voice 9: Maybe they don't, or to me, we work together.

[1:21:14] Voice 9: That goes, infrastructure has to be connected

[1:21:16] Voice 9: to the village, absolutely.

[1:21:23] Voice 9: So, I mean, I agree with keeping the money

[1:21:28] Voice 9: and the projects related.

[1:21:29] Voice 9: I just don't know if we need to have a motion

[1:21:32] Voice 9: that just states that,

[1:21:37] Voice 9: that states

[1:21:39] Voice 7: that the expectations

[1:21:40] Voice 7: occasions that these two projects be planned together somehow because they really certainly

[1:21:49] Voice 9: related yeah they are they can't be disconnected we've got to answer some of those other issues

[1:21:56] Voice 9: first so on that before before i move to trustee harris uh be helpful to have staff's

[1:22:07] thoughts on that in terms of in

[1:22:10] Voice 7: terms of our action today that we do need to be more explicit

[1:22:14] Voice 7: on that that the explicit one sorry what trustee patrick is talking about that the the planning the

[1:22:26] the the interagency um work that needs to happen

[1:22:32] Voice 9: around sewer and and in the water condition and

[1:22:38] Voice 7: yeah okay um so mr

[1:22:41] Voice 9: charlie um but i think it's it's certainly an observation that's been made

[1:22:45] that um while the the previous work on ganges did a really great job of engaging the community and

[1:22:51] getting their back opinions um it's also recognized that there's there is a disjointed uh aspect to

[1:22:57] this that um it's it's easy to envision uh what could happen in town um but uh

[1:23:04] Voice 9: but it's a lot

[1:23:05] Voice 9: easier to understand what realistically could happen to understand the water and sewer capacity

[1:23:10] Voice 9: of a neighborhood so um it's it's not just the interagency elements but it's the fact that then

[1:23:16] they do hold significant uh pots of knowledge that we need uh to provide good technical advice on

[1:23:23] how that neighborhood should be planned uh that applies to other villages as well

[1:23:27] um that's that's work that we need to do and really work that probably going uh into

[1:23:35] this work plan process that that kind of a phase one technical background or identifying objectives

[1:23:41] issues um some some places you call it zero uh it's sort of a pre-project process that goes on

[1:23:49] uh but it's something that we can build into the project as well um to aid provide significant

[1:23:55] background information uh if we want to contract this up to a consultant you know consultants

[1:24:01] just compete on uh very locally aware um backgrounders they review those

[1:24:07] respond to those we look for consultants who can do that um that's part of the

[1:24:13] favorite process that we would envision um for this kind of project

[1:24:18] so that background work that really just worked with multiple parties uh and the staff the heavy

[1:24:23] lifting the staff um in the salisbury office as well as the regional uh planning team uh would

[1:24:31] likely okay so it sounds like you've got a handle on the these

[1:24:39] Voice 9: questions and my question was like

[1:24:43] Voice 9: have you got enough direction at this time um mr chair i believe that the the direction for

[1:24:50] Voice 9: a worse thing uh beyond the confines of the business case template uh is certainly uh

[1:24:55] Voice 9: something i can definitely sink my teeth into so i feel very confident that that's

[1:24:59] that uh the level of people you're looking for

[1:25:01] Voice 9: uh i know the conversation you've had

[1:25:03] Voice 9: uh with the project team and we'll be looking to uh give you something to look at early and

[1:25:09] Voice 9: probably not get it right the first time i think there'll be there will be feedback and

[1:25:14] i look forward to um

[1:25:15] Voice 9: adapting to what sort of um lgc um forward yeah i would imagine that would

[1:25:23] Voice 9: need to be an iterative process uh trustee harris thank you um i really um from all this talk i'm

[1:25:31] Voice 9: hearing it's almost it's like we're putting the cart before the horse and even more so we're

[1:25:39] Voice 9: putting the construction of the cart before the horse all this stuff is going to take so long and

[1:25:43] Voice 9: meanwhile the housing crisis gets expected but actually uh um we're

[1:25:49] Voice 7: just day by day um i don't

[1:25:52] Voice 7: have any confidence in our abilities of the islands trust to

[1:26:00] Voice 9: deal from what i've seen so far

[1:26:01] Voice 9: i i don't see how we're gonna we're gonna have any success at addressing the housing crisis

[1:26:07] in a timely fashion

[1:26:09] Voice 9: um these things that we're talking about you know dengies the water the

[1:26:14] Voice 9: sewer this is exactly why we need a task 530 now and it's exactly why we need added densities

[1:26:22] Voice 9: where we know there is water to allow for workforce ownership housing projects to initiate.

[1:26:29] Voice 9: It's as clear as day. It's

[1:26:32] Voice 7: just been stated all these hurdles that are a promise. That needs to

[1:26:42] Voice 7: have been done as far as Maxwell goes and the water.

[1:26:45] Voice 9: There's a 30 million gallon surplus of

[1:26:47] Voice 9: water out there, possibly even more. Maybe we need a provincial, somebody from the higher up

[1:26:53] Voice 9: appointed. We need to reach out to the province and say, look, we need help. As other municipalities,

[1:26:59] Voice 9: not I shouldn't say other municipalities, but municipalities in our area have had an

[1:27:06] Voice 9: administrator appointed to them by the province to deal with the housing crisis. We need it.

[1:27:12] Voice 9: Statutory immunity can be used against North Salt Spring Water at this point. And they could go to

[1:27:17] Voice 9: an administrator to go to the ALC and fast track these things. We're not trying to do this from

[1:27:23] Voice 9: the bottom up this is futile we can't even pass by law 530 we're putting all this other stuff in

[1:27:28] Voice 9: front of it doesn't make any sense to me um maybe there'll be some you know i'd love to hear your

[1:27:35] Voice 9: thoughts on going to the province chair p or something um and asking for some help because

[1:27:40] Voice 9: i don't i don't mind that complete conference and our abilities to deal with really important

[1:27:45] Voice 9: what needs to be done thank you for your thoughts um i would have to inform myself better of what

[1:27:55] Voice 9: those mechanisms are to give an informed opinion but i'm not willing to recommend that um trust

[1:28:01] Voice 9: patrick so should we add the same thing that we did to the uh amendment to the salt spring ocp

[1:28:09] project add that same work plan requirement to this business plan does that solve that

[1:28:15] that issue to some extent yeah um thank you mr chair um if um sorry i know i don't

[1:28:22] Voice 6: need to dismiss

[1:28:22] Voice 6: you just patrick um i uh i i think that it's useful to have work detailed work plans for both

[1:28:29] of these um and if i may mr chair i'd maybe

[1:28:32] Voice 9: suggest the further result that we present this

[1:28:34] in the continuum that we identify how the projects fit into um you know how these would go together

[1:28:41] there we sort of have you know policy-wise we have three components for the ocp uh we have

[1:28:47] dandy's and we have an lub that's kind of the three things that are in these different cases so

[1:28:51] um how do those lay out um and one of the faces um level of having a work plan um that would

[1:29:02] identify so it would be putting forward the notion of um some sort of preliminary project objectives

[1:29:07] um some project deliverable um and to um i don't want to go to a family i want caution that wouldn't

[1:29:16] those people would not go into um it may not go into every single detail um there's a limit of

[1:29:23] depth that we want to go to um to ensure that you know we want to contract this out that we're going

[1:29:29] going to provide the ability of the community,

[1:29:33] and first nations, and government partners,

[1:29:36] as well as .

[1:29:39] There's a need to sort of shape some of the detail that's

[1:29:42] obviously in the democratic process.

[1:29:45] So that's sort of the level of detail

[1:29:48] that I would suggest that's what you're looking for.

[1:29:51] It's reasonable to ask for plans for each of these business

[1:29:54] cases, as well as a sort of higher level view of what

[1:29:59] What was the problem?

[1:30:00] looks like how these projects go together right yeah and of course we want to retain flexibility

[1:30:07] um that's patrick yeah i mean i would hope by you know i would

[1:30:11] Voice 9: hope that staff would you know work

[1:30:13] Voice 9: the work plans and yes my expectations i i looked at the district of sanich and the uh they call

[1:30:20] Voice 9: them terms of references for projects and the level of detail that's in them that's him i have

[1:30:25] Voice 9: no expectations that you're going greater than that um but it just does bring it all together

[1:30:30] Voice 9: and it is important that you know key milestones and decision points and deliverables and

[1:30:36] Voice 9: those are the pieces that we care about when

[1:30:38] Voice 1: we're going to see it back

[1:30:38] Voice 9: and is the next decision that we're going to be making um uh in the process um so i'm happy to

[1:30:48] Voice 9: make that amendment i'm going to just take the same motion that i used before and just change

[1:30:52] Voice 9: change it to say that the Salt Spring Antelope Trust Committee

[1:30:55] Voice 9: amended the Ganges Village plan business case

[1:30:59] Voice 9: by adding to the change management communications

[1:31:02] Voice 9: and collaboration section,

[1:31:03] Voice 9: the development of a detailed and phased work plan

[1:31:06] Voice 9: for LTC approval that includes,

[1:31:09] Voice 9: but is not limited to,

[1:31:10] Voice 9: external potential expertise required,

[1:31:12] Voice 9: project timeline, estimated cost, activities,

[1:31:16] Voice 9: interagency cooperation, key milestones,

[1:31:19] Voice 9: decision points, and deliverables.

[1:31:21] Voice 9: still moved uh i will second that uh

[1:31:26] Voice 8: speak

[1:31:27] Voice 9: your motion any further no thank you okay i will call

[1:31:32] Voice 9: the question all those in favor any opposed and would you like your opposition notice please thank

[1:31:38] Voice 9: you okay and then um so i guess sorry go back to me what would you do i've got an expert i mean

[1:31:49] Voice 8: move saltsburg on the local trust a request this

[1:31:51] Voice 9: is paid for dandy's village

[1:31:54] Voice 8: plan as it's shown in

[1:31:55] Voice 8: attachment to as

[1:31:58] Voice 9: amended be considered by the island stress finance committee for inclusions

[1:32:03] Voice 9: of the 2024-25 island's trust budget uh the second

[1:32:09] Voice 8: ed we're going to be further discussion

[1:32:11] Voice 8: I was just

[1:32:12] Voice 7: I'd like to see you in two weeks.

[1:32:16] Voice 7: Thanks you a lot. Okay, I will call the

[1:32:42] Voice 9: question, and all the favor any opposed, and which might drop.

[1:32:47] Voice 9: Thank you. Okay, so that carries I just I I do know that we're kind of now in this overlap.

[1:32:57] Voice 9: left here now because we've got funding approved already and then this is going to be a new target

[1:33:03] Voice 9: as we use up funding this term and what's going to be carried forward next year that we do make

[1:33:08] Voice 9: good choices um absolutely here um and agree with uh trustee harris that we don't have the luxury

[1:33:18] Voice 9: of time we do have a an island in crises and um we need to make good choices and we need to

[1:33:30] Voice 9: move

[1:33:31] Voice 7: forward as quickly as we can

[1:33:43] Voice 9: yes sir uh before considering another item with the motions that were passed during this item

[1:33:55] Voice 9: So we may want to return to 10.2 for an amended second motion.

[1:34:01] Voice 9: I'll bring it up on the screen.

[1:34:03] Voice 9: It's asked to defer this second motion.

[1:34:09] Voice 9: The request to close.

[1:34:11] Voice 9: And I believe you just may want to just close the project and not transfer.

[1:34:20] Voice 9: So stop at that project.

[1:34:24] Voice 9: yeah stop stop back close the protection of the coast of the whisperer project i would be in

[1:34:29] Voice 9: support of that uh there's the one element that's a bit frustrating to me is through dr tara martin

[1:34:37] Voice 9: and the uh forest conservation lab and the science working group that the former planner

[1:34:45] Voice 9: jason yeomans had done they created an incredible integrated tool that was demonstrated to us

[1:34:55] Voice 9: trust committee it exists it was created by a grad student

[1:34:58] Voice 7: and I

[1:35:05] Voice 9: don't know where it went

[1:35:06] Voice 9: you know I heard talk about suitability analysis and things that is being worked on and yet that

[1:35:12] Voice 9: tool was already done where they layered every map that we have as a system made an integrated

[1:35:18] Voice 9: database it was done by a grad student supported by UBC and it vaporized

[1:35:25] Voice 9: So I am a bit frustrated at all. Closing the project is fine, but for that work just to get, is that being, is that dead? And I think it's a valuable tool. It's incredibly valuable. And I know all the new staff probably haven't even seen it.

[1:35:42] Voice 9: uh yeah but um integrated integrated williams all the williams mapping everything was all

[1:35:50] Voice 9: pulled together into one integrated database that exists somewhere well it's a useful uh

[1:36:00] as described it sounds useful um i i'm happy to take that back as the general direction

[1:36:07] or if there is a more certain direction for us to take on it.

[1:36:16] Given the closure of this, if LDC wishes to close the project and continue in that way,

[1:36:23] that's fine. We can either look at integrating it into projects or report back to you

[1:36:31] Voice 9: as LDC prefers.

[1:36:32] Voice 9: first um i'm not really too sure of this i think there's something to separate yeah i think the

[1:36:37] Voice 9: separate motions are divided i guess yeah doesn't put the thing on um all right so

[1:36:49] Voice 9: trustee harris is a motion prepared ready i move that the salt spring and local trust committee

[1:36:53] Voice 9: request staff to close the protection of coastal buildings for associated systems project so moved

[1:37:02] Voice 7: and seconded uh frederick scotland i'm singing

[1:37:06] Voice 8: and i'll call the question on the favor

[1:37:09] Voice 8: which carries anonymously i would talk to patrick

[1:37:13] Voice 9: um so i don't think about what this

[1:37:15] Voice 9: motion would say um you'd be asking staff to um i guess review the status would that be it or

[1:37:22] Voice 9: the

[1:37:23] Voice 7: status of the integrated geographical database tool

[1:37:34] Voice 9: created by the science working

[1:37:38] Voice 9: group, the former science working group, the CDM, the Associated Persistence Project, and

[1:37:44] Voice 9: report back to the trust committee.

[1:37:48] Voice 9: Does that make sense?

[1:37:49] Voice 9: I'll work to Sarah

[1:37:50] Voice 7: Sugar, the magic person, assembling a motion.

[1:37:53] Voice 7: They're always good on the fly.

[1:38:04] Voice 7: okay i could read that back uh let the salt spring island local

[1:38:08] Voice 5: trust committee request staff to

[1:38:09] Voice 5: review the status of the integrated geographical database tool created by the former coastal

[1:38:15] Voice 5: douglas fir project science working group and report back to you so

[1:38:22] Voice 7: move second that

[1:38:25] Voice 7: further

[1:38:25] Voice 9: on this um i'm not a supporter i'm not supportive of this at all we just closed the

[1:38:32] Voice 9: project again it was an attack on our community to a huge degree happy to see it closed i don't want

[1:38:41] Voice 9: any part of it rearing its you know as least parts of its uh i don't want any part of it rearing its

[1:38:50] Voice 9: head any further put it that way it doesn't support anything attached to the

[1:38:56] Voice 9: cds program

[1:39:04] Voice 9: the science working group was amazing what they what they did this was not a tool to attack

[1:39:09] Voice 9: in your industry it actually absolutely supported uh that we need more of you in your industry to

[1:39:15] Voice 9: manage the force that we have on these islands um uh it was a really interesting tool that was

[1:39:23] Voice 9: created and i think it does show promise and benefit and possibly even what they're trying

[1:39:28] Voice 9: to do the suitability analysis it's reproducing what's already existing shouldn't be lost there

[1:39:34] Voice 9: was information that was proved to be invalid

[1:39:39] Voice 7: and regarding the cdf program with people that

[1:39:47] Voice 7: were involved so i you know provided that false information

[1:39:51] Voice 9: or invalid information rather not

[1:39:53] Voice 7: false sorry um yeah i'm not supportive okay any further on this item follow up question all in

[1:40:04] Voice 7: favor any opposed and would you like your office thank

[1:40:07] Voice 9: you okay looking at the time here i would

[1:40:12] Voice 9: suggest that we address or that we have a look at 15.1 so it's census infographics on page 229

[1:40:21] Voice 9: and then maybe

[1:40:23] Voice 9: we'll take our break.

[1:40:24] Voice 9: If that's reasonable.

[1:40:30] Voice 9: So on page

[1:40:32] Voice 9: 229

[1:40:34] Voice 9: there's a tool

[1:40:35] Voice 9: where you can just

[1:40:47] Voice 9: Oh, I see.

[1:40:48] Voice 9: This is good there, but

[1:40:50] Voice 9: it doesn't come up.

[1:40:51] Voice 9: I don't find it.

[1:40:54] Voice 9: It just takes me.

[1:40:56] Voice 9: So now that I've thought about this one, I'd like to play it out a little bit smaller.

[1:41:00] Voice 9: We're going to find it again.

[1:41:02] Voice 9: Okay, so Mr. Huckman, do you want to introduce us?

[1:41:10] Voice 9: Well, Mr. Chair, I'm proud to be participating in this work that Area Services has done

[1:41:21] generating this really timely data um right really clearly we need uh statistical information about

[1:41:28] um not

[1:41:29] Voice 9: only salt spring but the um higher average trust uh at the uh trust uh local trust area level

[1:41:37] Voice 9: this is data that is um invaluable uh really um for projects and understanding

[1:41:44] uh the challenges we're dealing with here uh on cultivating across the trust

[1:41:48] So it's

[1:41:50] Voice 9: based on the 21-21-21 profile, which is actually quite new.

[1:41:54] Voice 9: So to have this data, as we were saying, be aggregated and packaged in this way is extremely useful for us.

[1:42:03] Voice 9: There are some, I know there's been concern raised with other local trust areas and LPCs about the way that aggregation happens,

[1:42:13] Voice 9: whereas the numbers, when it comes to really low numbers,

[1:42:17] Voice 9: don't always reflect the disappearance of five children

[1:42:20] in one of our smaller islands,

[1:42:22] but that's not quite something that we deal with here

[1:42:26] Voice 9: on Salterman, given our population.

[1:42:29] Voice 9: The data is there for your information.

[1:42:37] Voice 9: And you can point across the screen,

[1:42:39] Voice 9: so that's Krusty Factor.

[1:42:41] Voice 9: Well, I'm grateful to have the material presented.

[1:42:44] Voice 9: That's always useful, but I'm really hoping as we go into our OCD project, you know, and

[1:42:49] Voice 9: you talk to some people who are data gurus, they can just, this data talks in very different

[1:42:55] Voice 9: ways.

[1:42:56] Voice 9: And I hope as we go through our OCD project, that that's what we're going to be doing is

[1:42:59] Voice 9: really getting, you know, not just looking at a chart and making decisions, but really

[1:43:03] Voice 9: talking to people that know how to understand how this relates to that and what's going

[1:43:07] Voice 9: on.

[1:43:08] Voice 9: It's just, it's amazing to talk to people who know how to manage data, understand data,

[1:43:12] Voice 9: data and uh and look at it um you know I think I think you know that one number alone since 1991

[1:43:20] Voice 9: to 21 the trust you know salt rain grew by 50 so something ain't working or because we've got a lot

[1:43:31] Voice 9: of people that don't have homes yeah and I was reading that article uh uh interact it's an

[1:43:40] editorial in the driftwood on this the

[1:43:43] Voice 9: general take was uh information is good and i really

[1:43:49] Voice 9: appreciate that i was just taking the uh the time and the effort to to get some more granular data

[1:43:56] Voice 9: that we would normally get from the census um hopefully it is it's helpful it certainly

[1:44:02] Voice 9: provides some insights and uh hopefully we can actually put some of this data to work

[1:44:08] Voice 9: work as we move along on our work program and our projects.

[1:44:14] Voice 9: Trustee Gounder?

[1:44:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:44:15] Voice 9: Again, as we go through our OC card project,

[1:44:17] Voice 9: we are looking at the income disparity and other things

[1:44:21] Voice 9: because that needs to all come in here to really see.

[1:44:24] Voice 9: I think a lot of people visit Salisbury

[1:44:26] Voice 9: and they see, oh, it's so beautiful,

[1:44:28] Voice 9: and I want to live here, and they see the well.

[1:44:31] Voice 9: Sometimes they don't see, and they look at the quality

[1:44:34] Voice 9: do you think oh that is prevalent it exists and the income disparity is real um and i think we

[1:44:41] Voice 9: need we need to make sure we are putting two facts on the ground talk about the

[1:44:45] Voice 7: good the bad the ugly

[1:44:53] Voice 7: okay anything further on this item i think i'd like to recess for

[1:44:57] Voice 9: lunch and uh we can give the

[1:45:00] Voice 9: other uh our major items on our agenda proper consideration without getting too hungry uh so

[1:45:08] Voice 9: let's recess till

[1:45:09] Voice 8: noon we'll be back here and uh continue from then we'll we'll start uh

[1:45:16] Voice 8: start we'll come back to the applications of the girls section when we get back

[1:45:22] Voice 8: but there are applicants that want to join us we'll be

[1:45:27] Voice 7: here at the time but we said we might get

[1:45:30] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:29:20] Voice 7: thank you everybody it's going to be reopening

[2:29:24] Voice 9: this meeting of this ultimate island local trust

[2:29:27] Voice 9: committee it's noon and we're on section 13 applications and referrals first one to consider

[2:29:38] Voice 9: here is pardon

[2:29:42] Voice 8: me armstrong

[2:29:43] Voice 7: on page 95 platter belcher with us so

[2:29:56] Voice 1: uh yeah this is the application

[2:29:58] Voice 1: application for.

[2:30:00] Voice 1: liquor and cannabis regulation branch application for change to hours of liquor service they were

[2:30:05] Voice 1: planning to open two hours earlier at 9 00 a.m rather than 11 a.m and following the

[2:30:14] Voice 1: june 22nd meeting the ltc was instructed to proceed with public consultation notice was

[2:30:24] Voice 1: mailed within 100 meters of the subject property and advertised on the island's trust website and

[2:30:30] Voice 1: notice board the open house was conducted electronically on tuesday july 25th from 5

[2:30:37] Voice 1: to 7 pm and there was no attendees public consultation process revealed no neighborhood

[2:30:44] Voice 1: impacts or concerns so it's recommended that the ltc direct staff to send a response of approval to

[2:30:51] Voice 1: to the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch

[2:30:54] Voice 1: and include the record of community consultation

[2:30:57] Voice 1: within that response.

[2:31:01] Voice 7: Hey, if you can trust me,

[2:31:02] Voice 7: is there any questions for the planner?

[2:31:05] Voice 7: Okay, I'll proceed with the motion.

[2:31:12] Voice 9: Move that the Salt Spring Animal Trust Committee

[2:31:14] Voice 9: directs staff to send a response to the Liquor

[2:31:17] Voice 9: and Cannabis Regulation Branch

[2:31:19] Voice 9: regarding our extension application

[2:31:21] Voice 9: from 121 for Ganges Road

[2:31:24] Voice 9: that states the potential impact of noise in the community

[2:31:28] Voice 9: in the immediate vicinity and stuff would be minimal the impact on the community

[2:31:37] Voice 9: if the application is approved would be negligible the local trust committee recommends the

[2:31:45] Voice 9: application be approved so moved up second trustee harris any further discussion i'll call for the

[2:31:54] vote uh all in favor and

[2:31:57] Voice 8: honestly we have a second one here i

[2:32:04] Voice 9: move that this also began

[2:32:06] Voice 9: local trust committee direct staff to include a record of community consultation with the

[2:32:10] Voice 9: responsible for cannabis regulation branch regarding the harbor post hotel application

[2:32:15] Voice 9: so moved and seconded any discussion or question

[2:32:21] Voice 8: all in favor

[2:32:24] Voice 8: the next application is on page 108 and

[2:32:31] Voice 7: this is from ladder huckin hello

[2:32:40] Voice 3: um on the agenda today

[2:32:41] Voice 3: we have a developed variance permit intended to vary a portion of the subdivision servicing

[2:32:46] Voice 3: requirements in association in association with a 2021 subdivision application for a property

[2:32:51] Voice 3: located at 536 beaver point road the applicant has requested the following variances first to

[2:32:57] Voice 3: To reduce the minimum lot frontage from 10% of the total lot area to 27.8 meters, and this translates to 2.5% frontage.

[2:33:05] Voice 3: Second, to remove the requirement for a water treatment system and defer this requirement through the registration of a Section 219 covenant to the building permit stage.

[2:33:14] Voice 3: And finally, third, to remove the requirement to install the rock pit drainage systems, as outlined in the applicant's stormwater management plan, and defer this requirement through a covenant to the building permit stage as well.

[2:33:25] Voice 3: prior to consideration i do want to make a few points the application has met most of the

[2:33:30] Voice 3: subdivision approval conditions already if this variance is approved as drafted the applicant's

[2:33:35] Voice 3: final requirement would be to secure the development permit for the portion of the

[2:33:39] Voice 3: property within the riparian dpa and this permit is currently in progress the applicant has already

[2:33:46] Voice 3: proven that the new wells installed on the site as part of the subdivision do exceed the water

[2:33:51] Voice 3: requirements listed in the land use bylaw. This variance does not contemplate varying the

[2:33:58] Voice 3: requirement for proof of water, only for the treatment system installation. So, in staff's

[2:34:04] Voice 3: opinion, the applicant has provided sufficient rationale for the proposed variances. The

[2:34:09] Voice 3: applicant states that due to the larger lot sizes and multiple potential building sites,

[2:34:13] Voice 3: installation of the site services is illogical at this stage of development, as these services

[2:34:18] Voice 3: depend on the dwelling location. Approval of the proposed variances today will still secure these

[2:34:24] Voice 3: conditions at a future date once a billing site has been identified, and this is due to the

[2:34:29] Voice 3: attachment of the Section 219 covenant. So with this in mind, staff recommend approval of draft

[2:34:34] Voice 3: development variance permit SSDVP-2022.13, subject to registration of the draft covenant attached,

[2:34:41] Voice 3: which would secure these conditions. The applicant, Mr. Litke, has joined us today,

[2:34:46] Voice 3: if you have any further questions uh for him any

[2:34:50] Voice 9: questions now for the applicant

[2:34:59] Voice 9: thanks uh nothing really further to add i appreciate the support from staff and i think

[2:35:04] Voice 9: chris has done a good job of summarizing what we're trying to accomplish here

[2:35:13] Voice 9: i just i guess the water treatment requirement like i know my house in my subdivision it was

[2:35:20] Voice 9: a notice on title um for the water treatment not just a deferring doing it at a future date it just

[2:35:26] Voice 9: basically that obligations on you as the household owner

[2:35:29] Voice 7: is is that possible

[2:35:36] Voice 7: possible if LTC wishes to require that government um that's that's something that you're allowed to

[2:35:43] request uh as a condition for registration of DVDs um it doesn't seem it's not recommended

[2:35:50] Voice 9: at this

[2:35:51] Voice 9: time I just thought I've seen that before I've seen that thing I don't you've been in here many

[2:35:57] Voice 9: so I just don't understand why this one was a bit different than before um it's

[2:36:06] Voice 7: been practiced

[2:36:12] Voice 7: care no it looks good uh that's the value like i see it

[2:36:30] local trust committee approved development variance permit ssdbp on

[2:36:37] Voice 9: three and direct

[2:36:38] Voice 9: staff on the sheet of permit the public system of the job industry solution strong water treatment

[2:36:54] Voice 9: system and water treatment system for proposed laws one three prior to the construction of the

[2:37:01] Voice 9: So moved, seconded, any further discussion?

[2:37:05] Voice 9: I'll call the question then.

[2:37:07] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:37:08] Voice 9: Most in favor.

[2:37:10] Voice 9: Second, we come to the Sultry and Local Trust Committee,

[2:37:15] Voice 9: with reference to Section 512, brackets 2,

[2:37:19] of the Local Government Act,

[2:37:21] approved the frontage relief from the required 10% to 2.5%

[2:37:26] for performance law 3, as shown in the plan subdivision

[2:37:33] Voice 9: So moved and seconded.

[2:37:36] Voice 9: Any further discussion or question?

[2:37:39] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:37:41] Voice 7: In favor?

[2:37:44] Voice 7: Trustees?

[2:37:48] Voice 7: So this could be an application

[2:37:52] Voice 9: on page 108.

[2:37:56] Voice 9: And this is also from Flattery Bucket.

[2:38:00] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:38:02] Voice 3: So we have an application for a development variance permit intended to vary land use bylaw sections 3.14.3.

[2:38:09] Voice 3: 3.5.4, and 4.1.1. Specifically, the applicant requires first a reduction in the setback between

[2:38:15] Voice 3: buildings and structures, this is a general setback, from three meters to zero meters to

[2:38:20] Voice 3: accommodate for an attached continuous porch between a combined accessory building and cottage

[2:38:26] Voice 3: and a dwelling. Second, a reduction in the setback between a cottage and any other structure from six

[2:38:32] Voice 3: meters to zero meters for the same continuous porch. And finally, the applicant requires a

[2:38:36] Voice 3: variance to the restriction on the combination of a full-time rental cottage to an accessory

[2:38:41] Voice 3: building. The actual buildings themselves are located 2.75 meters away from each other. However,

[2:38:47] Voice 3: the continuous porch is considered a structure attached to the buildings and therefore is

[2:38:52] Voice 3: subject to land use bylaw setback requirements. All the buildings are already constructed on site

[2:38:57] Voice 3: and the applicant is hoping to legalize the buildings as cited so that they may proceed

[2:39:01] Voice 3: with building permit and remove the current notice on title. Staff are under the opinion

[2:39:05] Voice 3: that the proposed variances are not anticipated to impact the site nor the neighborhood in a

[2:39:10] Voice 3: negative manner. The combination of the cottage to the accessory building actually reduces further

[2:39:15] Voice 3: impact to the surrounding environment as the building footprint is lesser than two standalone

[2:39:20] Voice 3: structures. And I've found that this actually meets OCP objective B.2.1.1.1, which states to

[2:39:26] Voice 3: support a mix of housing types in appropriate locations without compromising protection of

[2:39:31] Voice 3: the natural environment so staff recommend approval of draft development variance permit ssdvp

[2:39:37] Voice 3: 2023.6 and unfortunately the applicant was not able to make it to the meeting today so i'm happy

[2:39:43] Voice 3: to answer any questions ltc may have hey

[2:39:47] Voice 7: trustees any questions for planner trustee

[2:39:53] Voice 9: patrick i guess

[2:39:54] Voice 9: i take it is the applicant intending to secure a building permit for this structure yes um the

[2:40:02] Voice 3: applicant is hoping to remove the nose on title and they'll need to do that through the crd to

[2:40:06] Voice 3: get a issued and approved billing permit um

[2:40:11] Voice 9: how big i mean you're you've got on page 150 you

[2:40:14] Voice 9: mentioned that uh if for some reason the applicant were not to separate the structures it could

[2:40:23] exceed the 56

[2:40:25] Voice 9: square meters and not the rental cottage was actually bigger than 56 square meters

[2:40:30] Voice 9: no

[2:40:31] Voice 3: so the full-term rental cottage is i think it's i can pull up that measurement but it was

[2:40:36] Voice 3: one or two meters below the 56 square meter requirement uh based on a floor plan he provided

[2:40:41] Voice 3: me um if you were to open up to the basement it could theoretically double the floor area but

[2:40:48] Voice 3: right now there's no stairs it would be a significant structural alteration i just know

[2:40:52] Voice 3: the intention of these this regulation is to essentially avoid uh the public from doing that

[2:40:58] Voice 3: yeah

[2:40:59] Voice 9: no thank you i absolutely support combining with the accessory

[2:41:04] Voice 9: buildings i think it's a good a good solution okay further trustees

[2:41:13] Voice 9: sure i'll move that the cells bring out a local trust for the approved issuance of ssdbp 2023.6

[2:41:20] Voice 9: Yes. So a little bit of a second there. Seconded. Any further discussion? All in favor? And that carries. And then on page 161, I'm just

[2:41:42] Voice 3: glad I'm going to swap.

[2:41:43] Voice 7: all right

[2:41:45] Voice 3: so we have a development variance permit intended to vary the land use bylaw section 4.1

[2:41:51] Voice 3: 4.5.1 which states any sewage disposal system must be located a minimum 60 meters from any

[2:41:56] Voice 3: water body leading into specific major lakes in this case it includes like western or western

[2:42:02] Voice 3: lake the applicant also has a riparian development permit application in progress specifically for an

[2:42:08] Voice 3: an extension to the existing driveway on site. The applicant is intending on constructing a

[2:42:14] Voice 3: single-family residence at 687 Beaver Point Road, but requires a variance for the proposed septic

[2:42:20] Voice 3: system. Now, the applicant has retained an engineer who has also operated as the applicant's

[2:42:25] Voice 3: registered on-site waste fire practitioner, who has assessed the site while taking provincial

[2:42:29] Voice 3: regulations into consideration, such as the sewerage system regulation, which requires a

[2:42:33] Voice 3: minimum 30-meter setback to drinking wells, and the Water Sustainability Act, which states that

[2:42:39] Voice 3: that no human waste may be directly introduced to a stream.

[2:42:42] Voice 3: So the retained engineer has assessed the constraints

[2:42:46] Voice 3: of these subject property and the proposed dispersal area.

[2:42:50] Voice 3: And based on these constraints,

[2:42:51] Voice 3: they have essentially certified that the septic drain field

[2:42:55] Voice 3: at the proposed location does not pose a threat

[2:42:58] Voice 3: to the onsite workhorse based on the provincial regulations.

[2:43:04] Voice 3: As the proposed septic system falls outside

[2:43:06] Voice 3: the 30 meter riparian area,

[2:43:07] Voice 3: it is not included in the riparian development permit

[2:43:10] Voice 3: application, and this application for a driveway extension is in progress, just as a separate

[2:43:17] Voice 3: application. The LTC should note that approval of this variance does not negate the process

[2:43:21] Voice 3: inspections and registration required through the Vancouver Island Health Authority.

[2:43:26] Voice 3: One thing I would like to note is I've noticed on the agenda package that the engineer report

[2:43:30] Voice 3: actually has not uploaded. I think that was due to some of the security permissions.

[2:43:34] Voice 3: So although it was intended in the report,

[2:43:37] Voice 8: you were not able to view it.

[2:43:39] Voice 8: But,

[2:43:44] Voice 7: Kostis, any questions?

[2:43:53] Voice 7: Yeah, just again, is that our consistent approach on reducing setbacks to water bodies?

[2:44:09] So it's just to base it off of the

[2:44:12] Voice 9: installer or whatever they're, certified installers?

[2:44:18] Voice 3: So this report was from a professional engineer.

[2:44:20] Voice 3: But my understanding is they took more attention to the site conditions, as well as the provincial regulation.

[2:44:28] Voice 3: So not as much thought was put towards that specific regulation as to why it was put in place.

[2:44:32] Voice 3: So it could be up to your discretion to request more information if you think more analysis needs to be taking place.

[2:44:59] Voice 9: I do

[2:45:00] Voice 3: understand a similar variance has occurred either early this year or or late last year and

[2:45:08] Voice 3: I believe it was a engineer's report that also was a certification that that Islands Trust focused on

[2:45:15] Voice 9: thank you no

[2:45:16] Voice 3: worries now again i would like to reiterate this is focused on provincial

[2:45:20] Voice 3: uh legislation um not specifically our policy

[2:45:33] Voice 7: no other questions let's prepare to make a

[2:45:40] Voice 7: vote that the salt brown local trust committee

[2:45:51] Voice 7: approves issuance

[2:45:52] Voice 9: of ss ddp 2020.8 so

[2:45:57] Voice 7: move seconded uh any further discussion

[2:46:00] Voice 7: think i'll call the question all those in favor important areas brings us to

[2:46:12] Voice 9: the application on page 173 and this is uh platter caprock hey

[2:46:18] Voice 5: good afternoon chair peterson

[2:46:20] Voice 5: trustee harris and christian patrick and this report is considered issuance of a development

[2:46:25] Voice 5: permit for three storage buildings uh totaling um 1070.3 square meters at 1450 and fort fort

[2:46:33] Voice 5: andrew's here um so the site plan can be viewed as attachment to and there's two the two of the

[2:46:40] Voice 5: buildings are already in the property and then one is proposed um so then retire properties within

[2:46:46] Voice 5: development area two don't come to area two which provides recommendations for non-village and

[2:46:51] Voice 5: general climate areas um so staff have conducted a site visit and have reviewed the dpa guidelines

[2:46:57] Voice 5: guidelines and find that the application is substantively meets the DPA guidelines there's

[2:47:02] Voice 5: adequate screening that's provided from the fence and um vegetation and the design is completely

[2:47:09] Voice 5: functional and there's one access off of Gardner Road um and it meets the zoning requirements for

[2:47:16] Voice 5: G2C um and so yeah we uh and so staff recommend patients of application if you have any questions

[2:47:26] Voice 5: questions feel free and um ask Andrew any questions too you have

[2:47:30] Voice 7: anything to add me no okay uh any

[2:47:35] Voice 7: questions just

[2:47:37] Voice 9: to Patrick I just want so the 2008 engineering report was that

[2:47:41] Voice 9: sort of a thought

[2:47:42] Voice 9: about a was that about a future build out was that yeah

[2:47:45] Voice 5: so that had to do with a rezoning um

[2:47:49] Voice 5: in 2008 and so andrew was required to do extensive um engineering reports drainage reports

[2:47:58] Voice 5: um and it did contemplate future development of non-impervious services greater than 280 square

[2:48:04] Voice 5: meters um and so then those were incorporated into the staff report um recommendations um and then

[2:48:11] Voice 5: sap did visit the site and um and spoke um was applicant about um the drainage plan etc and

[2:48:18] Voice 5: there is also a restrictive covenant on board that was established during the subdivision

[2:48:27] part

[2:48:28] Voice 9: of that was implementing a plan that was put out by the engineer which was a water separator

[2:48:33] Voice 9: tank on you know before it enters any creek and that's on the property yeah and all of it

[2:48:40] Voice 9: yeah thank you okay anything else with the resolution of the h1703 we'd like to make that

[2:48:51] Voice 9: well that sells me on a local trust committee approved issuance of development permit ssdp

[2:48:55] Voice 9: 2023.5 so moved and seconder

[2:49:02] Voice 7: seconded any further discussion

[2:49:07] Voice 7: seeing i'll call the question all in favor and that carries as well okay so brings us to

[2:49:20] Voice 7: to 50.2

[2:49:27] Voice 9: uh nap covenant at the road on page 237 and who's presenting on this

[2:49:40] Voice 9: this you uh i'm just trying to find myself um um

[2:49:52] Voice 7: you know it is a report from um from

[2:49:56] insurgency and i'm happy on a new covenant it's on belter island um really more um

[2:50:05] Voice 7: information

[2:50:06] Voice 7: okay and i know that uh comments from

[2:50:16] Voice 8: the solar panel trust could be made to the

[2:50:20] Voice 9: conservancy board and trust council if any and just going to be reviewing the application

[2:50:26] at

[2:50:27] Voice 9: the September meeting.

[2:50:33] Voice 9: Comments from the Low-Payness Committee?

[2:50:38] Voice 9: Anyone's looking into the NAPTEC program,

[2:50:40] Voice 9: I think they should be congratulated and thanked.

[2:50:44] Voice 9: And I don't have any particular questions.

[2:50:51] Voice 9: So is there a motion?

[2:50:52] Voice 9: We're supposed to be making a motion.

[2:50:54] Voice 9: There's no recommendation.

[2:50:55] Voice 9: There's no recommendation.

[2:50:56] Voice 9: So the next steps are that we have comments to forward to the Conservancy

[2:51:02] Voice 7: or Agro Trust

[2:51:03] Voice 7: Council.

[2:51:05] Voice 7: Trust Council.

[2:51:06] Voice 7: We'll see it next.

[2:51:09] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:51:10] Voice 7: All right.

[2:51:12] Voice 7: Being the case, we'll move on to Section

[2:51:17] Voice 9: 16, Policy and Standing Resolutions

[2:51:22] Voice 7: List at page

[2:51:23] Voice 7: 241.

[2:51:24] Voice 7: Anything on that from anyone?

[2:51:26] Voice 7: On page, pardon

[2:51:34] Voice 9: me, 252, we have the project support dated September 2023.

[2:51:39] Voice 9: Anything there?

[2:51:50] Voice 9: I would hope that as that are looking at the OCP project that we are looking at just making

[2:51:59] Voice 9: sure we don't miss some of these things that were added up over the years because I know

[2:52:04] Voice 9: like the Salish Sea Trail map and things were identified as opportunities to fix in the

[2:52:10] Voice 9: cpu while they have the door

[2:52:12] Voice 9: open let me take

[2:52:15] Voice 7: a look at make sure we capture some of these that

[2:52:17] Voice 7: have been sitting on this list for a long time the general direction mr chair that we'll consider

[2:52:27] um this in the in our projectable review um in preparing the work plan and um comment on

[2:52:33] on whether there's why to incorporate into the current in the project or consider this

[2:52:41] in the thematic pattern in

[2:52:44] Voice 7: future execution okay

[2:52:48] Voice 8: then uh we will move on to the

[2:52:53] Voice 9: active projects

[2:52:54] Voice 9: report uh starting at page 255 i'm not sure if there's a uh issue with the software here but i've

[2:53:04] Voice 9: got i've got two

[2:53:07] Voice 7: items listed as number two and number four are you sure why

[2:53:15] Voice 7: is software issues

[2:53:17] Voice 9: i'm sorry it is software issues okay so anything from staff on the

[2:53:21] Voice 9: active projects before uh i think it's mostly been discussed today uh it's uh the

[2:53:29] the gandhi village uh project was was uh popular

[2:53:33] looks like i can help him report

[2:53:37] Voice 9: in front of me for some reason here

[2:53:43] Voice 9: this list will uh note the change in the um in the

[2:53:48] Voice 9: cdf file any

[2:53:56] Voice 7: questions for trustees on the

[2:53:58] Voice 7: active contracts list okay then

[2:54:02] Voice 9: we will move on to section 16.4 the application status report h258

[2:54:09] Voice 9: any of the staff from this no

[2:54:12] Voice 8: mr not specifically on

[2:54:14] Voice 9: this however i did have a question uh from

[2:54:16] Voice 9: the elected official recently about um notification around delegated uh development permits um

[2:54:23] um how how lpc would like to be advised uh process right now is that um you know this is this is your

[2:54:30] opportunity to look at it uh to to know what's been issued and all of that um but we're all

[2:54:36] like happy to answer questions questions for specific applications anytime or anybody anybody

[2:54:45] um however with delegated development permits um we we don't have a meeting to talk about them so

[2:54:53] we don't know when they get up there um so they they just kind of they come in we review them and

[2:54:58] we can we issue them uh with their director uh so i just i wanted they didn't want to take this

[2:55:04] option to check in with you uh to see if you you know it's not um another step for us it's not that

[2:55:12] difficult to incorporate uh my quick email uh to uh ltc to say that we've issued uh dpx uh

[2:55:22] so uh just want to check in with you all that stuff if you feel it is necessary or uh it would

[2:55:29] uh or if it's um

[2:55:31] Voice 7: function mr

[2:55:33] Voice 9: may have additional

[2:55:34] Voice 7: comment on that

[2:55:36] Voice 9: prestige oh um i have my questions

[2:55:40] Voice 9: more i've been you know creating these monthly reports that includes you know just what was

[2:55:47] Voice 9: publicly done on the various publications that we had before us and people are really appreciating

[2:55:53] Voice 9: um that information so uh you know i've always had the it's an agenda package it's public you

[2:56:00] Voice 9: so i'm not creating any information that's not already public so if staffer i mean we delegated

[2:56:07] Voice 9: the authority for you to approve a development permit um can we can i like include that in my

[2:56:13] Voice 9: report but it wasn't a public in this case it wasn't public it wasn't discussed in public

[2:56:18] Voice 9: meeting it wasn't in the public agenda package issue permit sorry so issue so i'm saying i can

[2:56:25] Voice 9: say you issued that permit um and i guess even if you've delegated we can talk about the language

[2:56:33] Voice 9: that would be appropriate so you will continue to send us at least the approved permits that's

[2:56:39] Voice 9: going to be a consistent habit or that yeah i mean we believe we've only just done two two and so um

[2:56:48] Voice 9: um the process will be at the time of notification of the applicant of the issuance of the permit

[2:56:56] okay LTC will be notified as well um and receive receive the permit you know

[2:57:03] Voice 9: it's a public document

[2:57:06] Voice 9: so um that will be our our process going forward as we learn to to work with the new delegated

[2:57:15] Voice 9: permit process so please always refer to this report for new permits that are being added

[2:57:26] Voice 9: what we do is include the development permit area in this report it's dpa one two three up seven

[2:57:39] Voice 9: from three to seven those are the delegated ones and i'm happy to include into the purpose that it

[2:57:45] Voice 9: is a delegated permit so that you're aware of him so it pops out because it's not good for us to

[2:57:51] Voice 9: have that language um so this would be the report where you are noticed that a permit's been open

[2:57:58] right or you know a proposed permit is being discussed and then at the time of issuance

[2:58:05] we will email you the approved permit as delegated

[2:58:10] Voice 9: through and approved by the rpm

[2:58:17] Voice 9: Well, it's not in the report.

[2:58:22] Voice 9: It's more, again, follow-up.

[2:58:26] Voice 9: We had the two ALR non-farm use applications last year,

[2:58:36] Voice 9: but I guess the decisions came down this year or whenever they did.

[2:58:41] Voice 9: So once the decision comes down, the record,

[2:58:44] Voice 9: or I know I can go on to the ALC database

[2:58:49] Voice 9: and get a copy of the letter, the decision that was made.

[2:58:55] Voice 9: And we have both of the garages there,

[2:58:57] Voice 9: the one on Bettis and the one on Rainbow Road.

[2:59:00] Voice 9: And I do really feel for the applicants

[2:59:04] Voice 9: that we don't have any garages left.

[2:59:08] Voice 9: And their letters are like, well, yeah,

[2:59:10] Voice 9: the applicants can go buy a place somewhere else

[2:59:12] Voice 9: to put their place.

[2:59:14] Voice 9: you know it's a ridiculous response they're not going to go somewhere i'll leave the island

[2:59:21] Voice 9: um and so i don't know if there's anything that we can do as a body to respond to

[2:59:28] Voice 9: unrealistic comments from the alc on on what is a very important service on our island and

[2:59:38] Voice 7: it's a bit frustrating i really feel for the applicants

[2:59:41] Voice 7: it's was i mean this was an alc

[2:59:49] Voice 9: decision no i understand

[2:59:50] Voice 9: it's an alc decision but

[2:59:52] Voice 9: you know we just have to take it or can we do something just to help support

[3:00:00] Voice 9: the you know the applicants and like said their their decision that they could just go buy some

[3:00:04] Voice 9: other available land somewhere on the island it's like good luck yeah do they know what they're

[3:00:09] Voice 9: talking about do we need to educate the alc about islands so procedurally i don't think there's much

[3:00:14] else that you could do however uh individually uh that that's that's your choice i think that

[3:00:29] Voice 9: Well, I'm hoping we can make another application and put forward the arguments as to why reconsider

[3:00:40] their decision to put in another total, another application just so we keep these garages

[3:00:45] open fairly.

[3:00:46] And this goes back to what I was asking you, Trustee Peterson, is there some way we can

[3:00:51] of course the province and the integrity of the point um a few of these kind of

[3:00:56] Voice 7: things from the

[3:00:57] Voice 7: top down from here seem to be um because clearly these garages can't be closed as well yeah i'm

[3:01:18] not aware of that what level the province i don't know intervened in the decision of the alca

[3:01:24] see if through ec we can reach out i don't know about it but um i would i would hope that we will

[3:01:32] be um you know as an ltc we can at least uh apply once again or appeal to the alc

[3:01:41] at

[3:01:42] Voice 7: the very least um to uh keep um the garage is open it's available okay

[3:01:56] Voice 9: is there anything else

[3:01:57] Voice 9: on the applications report today i'm curious as to what the status is with the salty dog

[3:02:09] uh right now the planner inside of that is uh activating and coming to the november meeting

[3:02:15] has there been um i've spoken with um mlt and they mentioned that um they made a recommendation

[3:02:23] or you can know that or whatever the mot had made a recommendation to themselves

[3:02:33] uh property mr

[3:02:35] Voice 7: bucket may be able to respond to it um guys for that i am i think chris is still

[3:02:50] Voice 7: online there um uh chris bucking are you there maybe that's just something we can uh look out

[3:03:05] Voice 7: for apparently they've made a request for the democrats mr carey give me one minute i can

[3:03:21] Voice 7: and see if I can find it.

[3:03:23] Voice 7: Yeah, I'm 30, 20, 31, 23, 23.

[3:03:39] Voice 7: I guess that's what they did around the issue of access

[3:04:05] Voice 7: on the Blackbird thing.

[3:04:06] Voice 7: It's the access on both of the canyons, isn't it?

[3:04:10] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:04:12] Voice 7: Essentially, broad strokes, Mr. Chair,

[3:04:16] Voice 9: the access off of both canyons was not created under an asset

[3:04:25] permit.

[3:04:25] it um so yeah it's a recommendation on that i think it would be important to remember here

[3:04:32] that it is a recommendation that that act does not be in place and that the co-op that access

[3:04:39] Voice 7: be only off the platform so it's accurate okay yeah the yeah

[3:04:51] Voice 9: just that has to be off the platform

[3:04:53] Voice 9: your question um

[3:05:02] Voice 7: i had another question about the cafe and i'm trying to find it

[3:06:20] Voice 7: So on page

[3:06:39] Voice 9: 260 of the Agenda Package, I can screen share that, I hope you get that.

[3:06:47] So I see SSDP 2022

[3:06:51] Voice 9: .9, Development Permit Amendment to commit a CAFE with indoor seating at 161

[3:06:57] Voice 9: over Ganges Road. That's the only cafe that

[3:07:01] Voice 7: I can think of. Yeah, where is that location on that?

[3:07:20] Voice 7: Are

[3:07:21] Voice 9: you asking for it? I'm wondering where is that? Oh, where it is. The actual, which cafe are we talking

[3:07:27] Voice 9: about? That is the Beachside. Oh. Is the, is that address. The address known as Beachside. Wasn't that

[3:07:39] Voice 8: that already a cafe uh history of the site is that it was an outdoor um an outdoor facility

[3:07:50] uh you know island escapades also with retail sales um i believe that when it converted to a

[3:07:58] cafe it was um outdoor seating and then indoor seating became part of and so it's a application

[3:08:11] And then, of course, now the business is not quite an operation, but

[3:08:16] Voice 9: someone may want to take it on as a new business.

[3:08:19] Voice 9: And so they're looking to ensure that indoor seating is allowed.

[3:08:26] Voice 9: It was always contemplated. We don't have a parking department, as I understand it, for outdoor seating at cafes.

[3:08:34] Voice 9: But we do have a parking compartment for indoor seating.

[3:08:37] Voice 9: uh thank you hey anything else on the

[3:08:44] Voice 8: applications today

[3:08:46] Voice 7: okay

[3:08:49] Voice 8: well we'll move on to 16

[3:08:51] Voice 9: .5 there's

[3:08:52] Voice 9: uh expense reports at page 278 coming

[3:09:00] Voice 7: from staff or trustees on these

[3:09:09] Voice 7: have an island's trust

[3:09:10] Voice 9: conservancy board report at page 279

[3:09:13] Voice 9: eyes july 23rd

[3:09:17] Voice 7: information and finally

[3:09:25] Voice 9: we have uh no report from the still bring our watershed

[3:09:30] Voice 9: protection alliance coordinator today and no closed meeting and so our next regular meeting

[3:09:39] Voice 9: of the salt spring island local trust committee is scheduled for 9 30 a.m october 12th uh right

[3:09:47] right here

[3:09:48] Voice 9: at the store learning hub.

[3:09:51] Voice 9: And if there's nothing further,

[3:09:52] Voice 9: I'll call for adjournments.

[3:09:54] Voice 9: Thanks, Tom.

[3:09:55] Voice 9: All right.

[3:09:57] Voice 9: So we're adjourned.

[3:09:58] Voice 9: Thank you, everyone.

[3:09:59] Voice 9: You've been supported.

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
September 14, 2023 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2023 
  
Location: SD64 Learning Hub 
122 Rainbow Road, Salt Spring Island
 
  
 
Members Present: 
 
 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
Jamie Harris, Local Trustee  
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee   
 
Staff Present: 
 
Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Chris Buchan, Planner 2 (Zoom) 
Bruce Belcher, Planner 1 (Zoom) 
Charly Caproff, Planner 1 
Rob Pingle, Legislative Clerk 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder 
 
Others Present: Approximately 10 members of the public (9 in person, 1 on Zoom) 
These minutes follow  the  order  of  the  agenda  although  the  sequence  may  have  varied. The  electronic 
meeting was live streamed, recorded, and made available for electronic public attendance.  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 9:32 a.m. He welcomed everyone to a meeting of the 
Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  and  introduced  himself,  the  Trustees  and  staff.  Chair 
Peterson humbly stated gratitude to live and work in Coast Salish First Nations territory. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted.
 
 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 
Chair Peterson opened the town hall at 9:33 a.m. 
 
A member of the public expressed concerns regarding application SS-DVP-2023.8, 687 Beaver Point 
Road regarding the reduction of a setback from a stream that leads into Weston Lake. The member 
of the public advised the riparian areas setbacks are for the protection of water and Weston Lake is 
a drinking water lake. The member of the public requested the LTC to protect the environment and 
give careful consideration to the application. 
 
Salt  Spring Housing Action  Program Task  Force  member  Bryce  Chapman  acknowledged staff 
members Rob Pingle and Sarah Shugar for their excellent work. 

 
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 2 
September 14, 2023 
  
 
A  member  of  the  public expressed  concern that the LTC  and Local  Community  Commission  (LCC) 
meetings  were  scheduled at  the  same  time and  this  makes  it  difficult  for  people  who  want  to 
attend both meetings. The member of the public expressed support for Bylaw 530 and asked if staff 
or Trustees removed Bylaw 530 from the meeting agenda.  
 
RPM  Hutton  reported at  the  June  22,  2023 LTC meeting,  the  LTC requested further options on 
amendments to proposed Bylaw 530 and directed staff to schedule a public hearing in September. 
Staff  were not  able  to  prepare a report  on further options on  amendments  to  Bylaw  530 for  this 
meeting and it is best practice for options to be received prior to a public hearing.  
 
4. DELEGATIONS 
 
 4.1  Salt Spring Island Community Wildfire Resiliency Plan - Jonathan Reimer - Manager,  
   Electoral Area Fire and Emergency Programs Protective Services | Capital Regional  
   District Salt Spring Island Emergency Program 
 
CRD Electoral Area Fire and Emergency Programs Protective Services Manager Jonathan 
Reimer spoke  to  recent  wildfire  disasters  and stated wildfire  resilience  is  a  shared 
responsibility of the CRD and Islands trust. Mr. Reimer spoke to the recently completed 
Community  Wildfire  Resiliency  Plan  for Salt  Spring  Island  and  highlighted  that wildfire 
risk  can  be  described  as  moderate  across Salt  Spring and  major  wildfire events are 
unlikely although moderate risk is still a concern. The Wildfire Exposure Map is complete 
and  will  be  released to  the  public  soon.  An  All  Hazard  Evacuation  Guide  for  Salt  Spring 
Island will provide tools to residents to prepare for emergencies. Mr. Reimer advised the 
CRD  and  Islands  Trust need  to  work  together  at  a  higher  level  going  forward and the 
Wildfire Resiliency Plan includes  four recommendations  for  Islands  Trust: Development 
Approval   Information   Provision,   Development   Application   Materials,   Designated 
Wildfire Hazard Area and Wildfire Development Permit Area. 
 
Trustee  Patrick asked  whether the Union  of  BC  Municipalities (UBCM) Community 
Resiliency  Initiative  Fund could  be  used  to  support wildfire  planning  initiatives.  Mr. 
Reimer advised  the  Community  Resiliency  Initiative  Fund  can  be  used  for  wildfire 
planning and the CRD is the approved applicant for the funding. The next intake for the 
Community Resiliency Initiative Fund would be Fall 2024. 
 
 4.2  Creating a Wildland Development Permit Area - Jamie Holmes - Fire Chief, Salt Spring  
   Island Fire Rescue 
 
 Salt Spring Island Fire Rescue Fire Chief Jamie Holmes spoke to wildfire planning for Salt 
Spring Island and requested the LTC to develop a governance document such as a bylaw 
or  Development Permit  Area for  wildfire  planning  that  would  include  education,  water 
supply and building material recommendations. Fire Chief Holmes expressed support for 
Salt Spring Fire Rescue and the Islands Trust to collaborate to find the best approach to 
wildfire planning. 
 
Chair  Peterson  requested  staff  to  email  the  delegation  materials  to  Trustees  for 
reference. 

 
 
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5. TRUSTEE REPORTS 
 
Trustee Patrick presented the following report:  
 Expressed  congratulations  to Salt  Spring Transitions  Climate  Action  Research  Lab  (CARL)  and 
Ruth Waldick for their work on fire risk reduction in a Coastal Douglas-fir zone and noted CARL 
has  been named a  finalist  for  the  2023  Nature  Inspiration  Awards.  The  award  sponsor,  the 
Canadian  Museum of  Nature  says  it  all  in  its  tag  line  “Saving  the  world  for  future  generations 
with evidence, knowledge and inspiration”; 
 Acknowledged the efforts of Stqeeye’ Learning Society and its efforts to secure land adjacent to 
Xwaaqw’um /  Burgoyne  Bay to  expand  the  wetlands  restoration work  and  their  Youth  on  the 
Land  program.  Their fundraising  campaign will  begin at  the second  annual  Convergence 
Festival on  September  16,  2023.  Trustee  Patrick had  the  honour  of  hearing  the Youth  on  the 
Land program leaders speak about the program; 
 Attended weekly provincial updates on wildfire and drought for local government;   
 Chaired a Regional  Planning  Committee  meeting that supported the  following  resolution  and 
successfully  included  it  into  Trust  Council’s  interim  strategic  plan: The Regional  Planning 
Committee commits to working on a suite of projects that will develop healthy, resilient island 
communities  by  employing  two  lenses: mitigating  and  adapting  to  the  effects  of  climate 
change, and managing growth by cultivating equitable, inclusive, and resilient communities and 
the natural environment; 
 Attended a  Financial  Planning  Committee working  group meeting  regarding a  corporate 
planning framework to be presented at the September Trust Council meeting; 
 Attended a Governance  Committee  meeting  regarding Section  3  of  the  Islands  Trust  Act - the 
mandate or object of the Islands Trust;   
 Attended a Southern Gulf Island Forum meeting for all of the elected officials from all levels of 
government.  Discussions focused on housing and marine waters; 
 Attended  a National  Overdose  Awareness  day event  in  Centennial  Park.  Trustee  Patrick 
acknowledged so many of our friends and family here on Salt Spring Island have lost someone 
to drug overdose;   
 The  Salt  Spring  Health  Advancement  Network  (SSHAN)  is  hosting  an  interagency  planning 
meeting    on    the    topic    of    the    insecurely    and    un-housed    vulnerable    community 
members.  Trustee Patrick has requested staff to attend the meeting; 
 Trustee Patrick  reported  there  is  much  to  learn  from  our  work  to  find  a  path  to  legalizing 
accessory dwelling units (ADU’s) for residential use.  This process has exposed our weaknesses 
and public engagement is not about who yells the loudest. We need to fundamentally change 
our public engagement and communications processes.  We continue to stumble along on our 
journey  of  reconciliation  with  First  Nations.  I  am  reminded of  the  words  of  John Jack,  Chief 
Councillor with Huu-ay-aht First Nation, when he speaks to us in local government, he says we 
will  make  mistakes  and  that  what  is  important  is  to  learn  from  these  mistakes,  make 
corrections and keep at building meaningful relationships; 
 Attended  a  meeting  with Tsawout  First  Nation Chief  Abraham  Pelkey.  The  outcomes  of  the 
meeting  will  help  us  to  develop  an  Indigenous  relations  approach  with  the  13  First  Nations 
whose territories cover Salt Spring Island. 
 
 
 

 
 
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6. CHAIR'S REPORT  
 
 Chair Peterson presented the following report: 
 Attended  a Trust  Programs  Committee meeting regarding a stewardship  education  speaker 
series that will focus on freshwater and wildfire preparedness; 
 Attended a Southern Gulf Islands Forum meeting and highlighted that Cortes Island has a short-
term vacation rental (STVR) rental tax pilot program. The Cortes Housing Society will receive the 
pilot  program’s  tax revenue estimated  to  be  approximately  $50,000  per  year.    CRD  Electoral 
Area Directors are going to look into whether Southern Gulf Island tax funds could be diverted 
to fund local housing societies. There was also discussion regarding building code enforcement 
of trailers  and  recreation  vehicles to alleviate  housing  issues and discussion  regarding  a 
Southern Gulf Islands First Nations Port Authority; 
 Islands  Trust  is  establishing  a  First  Nations  Reconciliation learning  group and  the  Senior 
Indigenous Relations advisor will work with the learning group; 
 The next Trust Council meeting will be held September 26 to 28, 2023 on the Pender Islands. 
 
7. CRD DIRECTOR'S REPORT  
  
CRD  Director  Gary  Holman  and  Local  Community  Commission  (LCC)  Chair  Earl  Rook submitted a 
written report entitled “CRD Report to Local Trust Committee” dated September 10, 2023. 
 
8. PREVIOUS MEETINGS 
 
8.1 Draft Minutes of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee  
 
 8.1.1 Draft Minutes of the July 13, 2023 SSI LTC Regular Meeting  
 
 By general consent, the  minutes  of July  13, 2023 Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust 
Committee Regular meeting were adopted. 
 
8.2 Resolutions Without Meeting Report – None 
 
8.3  Minutes of the Advisory Planning Commissions - None 
 
8.4  Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record – None 
 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
 
9.1  B. Shank to LTC w/ L. Patrick Reply - Dated 20 July 2023 - Concerning Housing Issues 
 
 The correspondence item was received. 
 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
 
 10.1  Follow-Up Action List dated September 2023 
 

 
 
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RPM Hutton noted Item 4.  - SSI Watershed Protection Alliance was reported as completed 
although it is still in process due to staff resources. 
  
 The report was received. 
 
 10.2 Coastal Douglas Fir Project 
 
A staff  report  dated  September  14,  2023  regarding the Fire Risk  Reduction Workshop 
Report submitted by Transition Salt Spring was presented. 
 
A Trustee  expressed  concerns  regarding  misinformation  on  the  Transition  Salt  Spring 
website and spoke to possible liability concerns related to the report. 
 
SS-2023-93 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee receive the Fire Risk Reduction Workshop 
summary report submitted by Transition Salt Spring. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
SS-2023-94 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local Trust  Committee  request staff  to  close  the  Protection  of 
Coastal Douglas-Fir and Associated Ecosystems project. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2023-95 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring Island Local  Trust  Committee  request staff to review  the  status of the 
integrated  geographical  database  tool  created  by  the  former  Coastal  Douglas  Fir  Project 
Science Working Group and report back to the LTC. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
 10.3 April 28th Special Meeting "What we Heard" 
 
RPM Hutton presented a staff report dated September 14, 2023 regarding a summary of a 
LTC Special April 28, 2023 Special Meeting to discuss the 2023 – 2026 term planning. 
 
11. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING- None 
 
12. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
 
Item 14.1 – Local Trust Committee Projects was considered prior to Item 13 – Applications and Referrals. 
 
The meeting recessed at 11:16 a.m. for a lunch break and reconvened at 12:00 p.m. 
 
 

 
 
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13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
 
 13.1 SS-LCB-2023.2 - K. Armstrong - 121 Upper Ganges RD, SSI    
 
Planner Belcher presented a staff report dated September 14, 2023 regarding a Liquor and 
Cannabis Regulation Branch application for change to hours of liquor service at the Harbour 
House Hotel. 
 
SS-2023-96 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  direct staff  to  send  a  response  to  the 
Liquor and  Cannabis  Regulation  Branch  regarding  the  hour  extension  application  for  121 
Upper Ganges Road (Harbour House Hotel) that states: 
a. The  potential  impact  of  noise  on  the  community  in  the  immediate  vicinity  of  the 
establishment would be minimal; 
b. The impact on the community if the application is approved would be negligible; 
c. The Local Trust Committee recommends the application be approved. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2023-97 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  direct staff  to  include  a  record  of 
community consultation  with  the  response  to  the  Liquor  Cannabis  Regulation  Branch 
regarding the Harbour House Hotel application. 
CARRIED 
 
 13.2  SS-DVP-2022.13 - J. Litke - 536 Beaver Point Road, SSI    
 
Planner   Buchan   presented   a   staff   report   dated   September   14,   2023   regarding a 
development variance permit application to defer the installation of drainage works, defer 
the water treatment system requirement; and reduce the minimum permitted lot frontage 
off Reynolds road for proposed Lot 3 from 10 percent to 2.5 percent. 
 
The applicant was present. 
 
SS-2023-98 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  approve  Development  Variance  Permit 
SS-DVP-2022.13 and direct that the staff do not issue the permit until a covenant consistent 
with  the  draft  covenant  in Attachment  5 of  the  report  from  Planner  Buchan,  dated 
September 14, 2023 is registered on the property title addressing the installation of a storm 
water  drainage  system  and  water  treatment  system for  proposed  lots  1 - 3  prior  to  the 
construction of a dwelling unit (536 Beaver Point Road). 
CARRIED 
 
 
 
 

 
 
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SS-2023-99 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee,  with  reference  to  Section  512(2)  of  the 
Local Government  Act,  approve  the  frontage  relief  from  the  required  10  percent  to  2.5 
percent  for  proposed Lot  3  as  shown  on  the  plan  of  subdivision  in  Attachment  4  of  the 
report from Planner Buchan dated September 14, 2023 (536 Beaver Point Road). 
CARRIED 
 
 13.3  SS-DVP-2023.6 - W. McGuire - 177 Thomas Road, SSI    
 
Planner   Buchan presented   a   staff   report   dated   September   14,   2023   regarding   a 
development variance permit application to legalize the setback between an existing single 
family   dwelling   and accessory   residential   building/rental cottage   and   allow   for   the 
attachment of a full-time rental cottage to an accessory building (workshop). 
 
SS-2023-100 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of SS-DVP-2023.6 (177 
Thomas Road). 
CARRIED 
 
 13.4  SS-DVP-2023.8 - H. Kerr - 687 Beaver Point Road, SSI    
 
Planner   Buchan   presented   a   staff   report   dated   September   14,   2023   regarding   a 
development  variance  permit application to  reduce  septic  field  setbacks  to  a  water body 
that leads into Lake Weston from 60 metres to 34 metres. 
 
The applicant was present. 
 
SS-2023-101 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of SS-DVP-2023.8 (687 
Beaver Point Road). 
CARRIED 
 
 13.5  SS-DP-2023.5 - A. Aust - 1415 Fulford-Ganges Road, SSI   
 
Planner   Caproff   presented   a   staff   report   dated   September   14,   2023   regarding   a 
development permit application for three storage buildings located at 1415 Fulford-Ganges 
Road. 
 
The applicant spoke to the application. 
 
SS-2023-102 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
SS-DP- 2023.5 (1415 Fulford-Ganges Road). 
CARRIED 

 
 
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14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS    
 
14.1  Official  Community  Plan  and Ganges  Village  Planning Business  Case  Update - Staff 
Report 
 
 RPM  Hutton presented  a  staff  report  dated September  14,  2023  regarding business 
cases for LTC projects. 
 
In discussion the following items were noted: 
 A Trustee advised the LTC has heard the urgency to increase housing. The LTC does 
not  have  an  agreed  understanding  on  what  we  want  to  achieve  with  this  project. 
The OCP project is a collection of projects that will require a detailed, phased work 
plan that incorporates a series of actions that will culminate in a draft OCP; 
 A Trustee recommended replacing the “Protection of Coastal Douglas Fir Zone” with 
“Wildfire Resiliency”; 
 A  Trustee  stated  the  LTC  should  prioritize  approval of proposed Bylaw  530  by 
November 2023 to address the housing crisis; 
 There   was   a   question   regarding   when the   Canada   Mortgage   and   Housing 
Corporation (CMHC)  Housing Accelerator  Fund
 
recipients  will  be  announced. RPM 
Hutton  advised the Housing  Accelerator  Fund recipients  should  be  announced  by 
end of September 2023; 
 A Trustee advised the OCP project will include options to increase housing;  
 Chair Peterson noted that proposed Bylaw 530 is a first step to increase housing; 
 A Trustee asked if amendments to the business case would be needed to ensure the 
project is flexible regarding future grant funding. RPM Hutton advised the business 
case is broad to incorporate future funding opportunities; 
 A  Trustee  advised  the  LTC  put  the  Ganges  Village  Plan project on  hold  pending 
definition of the Ganges Village containment boundary; 
 A  Trustee  expressed  support  to  ask  the  Province to  step  in  to  help and  requested 
the Chair to comment. Chair Peterson advised he would look into this. 
 
 SS-2023-103 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee amend the “Major amendment to SS OCP” 
business   case by   adding   to   the   “CHANGE   MANAGEMENT   /   COMMUNICATIONS   / 
COLLABORATION” section, the development of a detailed and phased work plan for LTC 
approval  that  includes  but  is  not  limited  to:  external  professional  expertise  required; 
project timeline; estimated cost; activities; interagency cooperation; key milestones and 
decision points; and deliverables. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
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SS-2023-104
 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee amend the “Major amendment to SS OCP” 
business  case  by  replacing  the  “Protection  of  Coastal  Douglas-fir  Zones  and  Associated 
Ecosystems”  section  with  “Wildfire  Resiliency”  and  including  a  description  of  the 
recently  completed  Community  Wildfire  Resilience  Plan  and  the  relevant  land  use 
management recommendations from the plan. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
 SS-2023-105 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  requests  the business  case  for  the 
major  amendment  to  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  Official  Community 
Plan and the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Land Use Bylaw in Attachment 1 as 
amended, to be considered by the Islands Trust Finance Committee for inclusion in the 
2024-2025 Islands Trust budget. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
SS-2023-106 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  amend  the “Ganges  (Shiya’hwt/SYOW
̱
 T) 
Village   Area   Plan the   Business   Case”   business case by   adding   to   the   “CHANGE 
MANAGEMENT  /  COMMUNICATIONS  /  COLLABORATION”  section,  the  development  of 
a detailed  and  phased  work  plan  for  LTC  approval  that  includes  but  is  not  limited  to: 
external  professional  expertise  required;  project  timeline;  estimated  cost;  activities; 
interagency cooperation; key milestones and decision points; and deliverables. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
SS-2023-107 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee requests the business  case  for  the 
Ganges (Shiya’hwt/SYOW
̱
 T) Village Area Plan as shown in Attachment 2 as amended to 
be  considered  by  the  Islands  Trust  Finance  Committee  for  inclusion  in  the  2024-2025 
Islands Trust budget. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Harris OPPOSED 
 
15. NEW BUSINESS  
 
15.1  Census Infographics 
 
  RPM  Hutton  presented  a  briefing  dated  September  14,  2023  regarding 2021  Census 
Infographics for Salt Spring Island and comparisons across the Islands Trust Area. 
 
 

 
 
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15.2  NAPTEP Covenant - 765 Beddis Road, SSI   
 
 A  memorandum  regarding a proposed Naptep  Covenant at  765  Beddis  Road was 
presented. 
 
16. REPORTS 
 
 16.1  Policy and Standing Resolutions List  
 
The report was received. 
 
 16.2  Active Projects Report dated September 2023   
 
  The report was received. 
 
 16.3  Future Projects Report dated September 2023   
 
The report was received. 
 
 16.4  Applications with Status Report dated September 2023   
 
There was a question regarding delegated development permits that are not included in the 
monthly  applications  status  report. Legislative  Clerk Pingle  reported  the  LTC  is  notified  at 
the time delegated Building Permits are issued. 
 
There was a question regarding the recent Agricultural Land Commission (ALC) decision to 
not  approve  two  non-farm  use  applications  for automotive  businesses  located  on  ALR 
property. Concern was expressed that the automotive businesses are essential services for 
the community and the ALC’s suggestion to move to a new location is not a likely option for 
the  businesses. A  Trustee  asked  if  the  LTC  could  request  assistance  from  the  Province 
regarding this issue. Chair Peterson advised he would look into options.  
 
  The report was received. 
 
 16.5  Expense Report  
 
 
16.5.1  Report dated June 2023  
   
   The report was received. 
 
 16.5.2  Report dated July 2023 
 
    The report was received. 
 
 14.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Board Report – July 2023 
  
  The report was received. 

 
 
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 14.7  Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance (SSIWPA) Coordinator's Report – None 
 
15.  CLOSED MEETING - None 
 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
 
The next regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee is scheduled on October 
12, 2023 at 9:30 a.m. at the SD64 Learning Hub, 122 Rainbow Road. Please see the meeting 
calendar on the Islands Trust website at www.islandstrust.bc.ca for current meeting information 
and location. 
 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
 
 By general consent the meeting adjourned at 12:41 p.m. 
 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Sarah Shugar, Recorder