North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 29, 2023

[0:00:23] Voice 8: Thank you Emily for this, thank you for all the nice to be at this regular meetings meeting

[0:00:30] Voice 8: of the North Penderview, we have the locations across the territory of the North

[0:00:35] Voice 2: Penderview.

[0:00:44] Voice 2: trust committee i'm joined today by north pender what trustees and

[0:00:56] Voice 2: morrison together we make up local trust committee this meeting is

[0:01:03] live stream and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person today the recording will be

[0:01:10] posted down stress

[0:01:10] Voice 2: website for future beauty we have some staff members joining us robert kajima

[0:01:22] he's regional planning manager for i was just some planner um

[0:01:26] Voice 8: emily bryant is our wonderful

[0:01:28] web hosting magician as we've just seen um i believe it's work and pat todd is our recorder

[0:01:37] for today um this meeting is an efficient forum for your local trust to make decisions about

[0:01:42] landing i want to add this place in private despite the and respectful workplace already

[0:01:49] so we'll move forward with the agenda which i'm going everywhere please um

[0:01:56] Voice 1: are there any

[0:01:58] Voice 1: Many of the issues are related to the agenda

[0:02:07] Voice 2: as a service.

[0:02:11] Voice 9: We asked you

[0:02:12] Voice 14: to do business about the Pumtree Court, if you can just put it as Pumtree Court.

[0:02:20] Voice 14: Yeah.

[0:02:22] Voice 14: Okay, so anything you need to say?

[0:02:26] All right.

[0:02:29] Can we move anything?

[0:02:32] very quickly the trustees reported

[0:02:33] Voice 13: so i get some breathing space

[0:02:37] Voice 13: um

[0:02:38] Voice 13: we started having the trust council met on vendor

[0:02:54] Voice 13: so tuesday went to the nurse there and meetings all day and it's a very different

[0:03:00] Voice 13: We were far more taxing

[0:03:02] Voice 1: experience with

[0:03:09] Voice 1: 26 people

[0:03:14] Voice 2: that created

[0:03:18] Voice 13: one hyper consensus.

[0:03:23] So that was about 375 page agenda going into it.

[0:03:29] Voice 13: It was sort of just people.

[0:03:32] Voice 13: Also a lot of, I think, engaged with people

[0:03:35] Voice 13: and discussions on fair opportunities to talk to folks

[0:03:40] Voice 13: about stuff like short term vacation rentals coming up,

[0:03:44] Voice 13: different different you'll see on the on the island and so i want to say that i really

[0:03:52] Voice 13: appreciate how common and respectful everybody is in talking about stuff it's quite often that

[0:04:00] Voice 13: being the person on the ferry that gets

[0:04:03] Voice 11: blasted

[0:04:04] Voice 13: blasted when you're when you're grabbing a coffee

[0:04:07] Voice 13: or something like that or you're starting to lose the onions at the grocery store um it's uh

[0:04:12] Voice 13: uh the conversations are actually uh productive and so i appreciate that from the residents

[0:04:20] Voice 13: but that's it whatever on day four meetings yeah so

[0:04:27] Voice 14: maybe a couple other things about the

[0:04:29] Voice 14: council meeting um it's it's interesting i think i have uh become saturated with

[0:04:38] Voice 14: that's a good way to put it saturated with some of the politics

[0:04:44] Voice 14: council level

[0:04:45] Voice 3: so

[0:04:46] Voice 14: uh every time we had a break or like we had any conversations i would ask

[0:04:52] Voice 14: random trustees so what do you think we accomplished today that actually helps preserve and protect the

[0:04:57] Voice 14: trust area like did we do anything today um because i

[0:05:01] Voice 14: feel like there's a lot of going around

[0:05:02] Voice 14: a circle sometimes yeah right and so i do think there are some things moving at a snail's pace

[0:05:11] Voice 14: forward around the governor's report but you know more than we can as a community sending letters

[0:05:17] Voice 14: sending emails and communications about what our desire is around seeing that report implemented

[0:05:22] Voice 14: and if you don't know what that is please email and phone one of us we can talk your ear off about

[0:05:28] Voice 14: it because of me so just about

[0:05:30] Voice 14: trying to improve what the trust is frankly um to make it more

[0:05:35] Voice 14: effective for us. So that's a lot of what I think the issues were around at the Trust Council.

[0:05:46] Voice 14: Budget things are going to start to percolate up. We do have some better bumpers on the budget this

[0:05:54] Voice 14: year than last year. I was very disappointed last year. So really keep your eye on that. We have

[0:06:01] Voice 14: some corporate planning processes which we'll hopefully follow. So those are good things I

[0:06:06] Voice 14: things that came out of it um and then yeah i think people are starting to really realize

[0:06:13] Voice 14: that as we deal with issues with climate change and our obligations of reconciliation that

[0:06:19] Voice 14: there you can't just speak to it out of one side of your mouth and not do anything on the other

[0:06:23] Voice 14: side so there's some realities are starting to hit the ground what that might be um and so that's

[0:06:29] Voice 14: interesting as we struggle with it um yeah um as many of you will know that i am not on island

[0:06:36] Voice 14: anymore which is super frustrating for me um and i expressed it in the pender post to the one i wrote

[0:06:43] Voice 14: in the summer i think it was lovely conversation with a number of community members recently

[0:06:48] Voice 14: um and apparently there's like uh both actually about both of us um issues about you know when

[0:06:54] Voice 14: are we on island when are we off island and how are we able to serve you if you have issues with

[0:06:59] Voice 14: me, speak to me because I'm actually quite accessible. So speak to me and I will try

[0:07:06] Voice 14: and alleviate with a specific concern. Spreading statements about either of us and whether we can

[0:07:14] Voice 14: serve you when we're on or not is super unhelpful to us as a community. So please just speak to us

[0:07:20] Voice 14: directly and we will try and address the issue. I'm happy to be invited to random conversations

[0:07:26] Voice 14: community that people have. There is in Sydney, for some reason, there is a meeting of bylaw enforcement people across multiple jurisdictions.

[0:07:37] Voice 14: And so I'll be going back to that to represent for us. And it hopefully will start to coordinate better.

[0:07:55] Voice 14: So hopefully we'll try and get some better practices going on, because right now that's

[0:08:00] Voice 14: a bit of chaos for us.

[0:08:01] Voice 14: So I'm looking forward to that.

[0:08:04] Voice 14: All right.

[0:08:05] Voice 14: That's me.

[0:08:06] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:08:09] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:08:10] Voice 8: No, as noted, we've just sold the community hall.

[0:08:15] It was great. We very much

[0:08:18] Voice 8: thank North End for the hospitality, the bakery supply,

[0:08:25] some phenomenal treats for us over the days. It was a good time, but as you say, it was

[0:08:33] a lot of politics, a lot of interest. It was the dynamics were interesting.

[0:08:37] investing. Well, I just also last

[0:08:42] Voice 8: week, it was at UBCM, which is the Union Bridge Company

[0:08:45] Voice 8: Municipalities meeting in Vancouver. We've got meetings with our Minister of Municipal Affairs

[0:08:51] and Minister Pyleys. He spoke to various issues that are concerned with all the items, and the

[0:08:58] reception was quite good. One of the things that we got out of the Minister Pyleys is that they've

[0:09:01] committed to setting up as bureaucracies will say funny words a task force um which will be

[0:09:08] uh involve um local trustees and and ministry of highways on the various issues on on the roadways

[0:09:16] so we're going to have hopefully some very open communications um every announcement issues like

[0:09:22] it's it's

[0:09:24] Voice 8: very cumbersome like we just went through something may not we're just immensely

[0:09:29] Voice 8: They had a little 16-inch culvert and it was concrete so there was nothing wrong with it and arbitrarily decided to replace it.

[0:09:40] They replaced the 16-inch culvert with an 8-foot culvert. It cost over $100,000 on what was what they call a section 4 road, so a very off-the-side road, not traffic, not an

[0:09:52] Voice 8: issue at all.

[0:09:54] and the same time they did that they told us

[0:09:57] Voice 8: there's no money to paint yellow lights in the

[0:09:58] Voice 8: road

[0:09:58] Voice 1: and

[0:10:00] Voice 8: it's just it's it's a priority thing but the difficulty with the ministry of highways they

[0:10:08] have all these little pockets they pull money from and apparently the dude with the culvert money

[0:10:13] had lots of money to spend but the dude with the paint didn't have anything and hopefully this

[0:10:20] this task force is going to start taking those blurred lines and

[0:10:23] Voice 8: like starting to focus what

[0:10:25] Voice 8: we need to do and how we need to do it and what the Islanders need. So that was one of

[0:10:34] Voice 8: the big takeaways from UBCM. But we have been extremely busy. Like I said, last week I was

[0:10:40] Voice 8: in Vancouver, this weekend, this is my fourth day on Pender. On Monday, we had local trust

[0:10:46] Voice 8: committee um on main island um next week monday tuesday denman island wednesday trust executive

[0:10:52] Voice 8: thursday on pc ferries so you're getting good value for your money folks it's

[0:10:58] Voice 8: there's there's a lot i'm looking forward to somewhere in november there's a break but now

[0:11:02] Voice 8: you tell me about this pilot meeting which i haven't heard about so i think i've got another

[0:11:05] Voice 8: meeting next week to go to so anyhow it's got to give like a big big shout out to our various staff

[0:11:16] who we've in the last

[0:11:18] Voice 8: 15 minutes we've gone through technical hell and then it's like

[0:11:28] open a projector screen to not having a cable for the project all our magical people in the

[0:11:33] background have got us going and it's it is impressive we we have some amazing people

[0:11:39] working for you and for us

[0:11:41] Voice 8: and i'm glad that we're able to make these things work

[0:11:44] Voice 8: Can

[0:11:45] Voice 14: you please just let folks know that we also, one of the issues that came up at UPCM, I believe it was, was an issue around provincial funding for people to put in secondary suites, which we already have legally allowed in certain areas in the island.

[0:12:04] Voice 14: so but we don't qualify for the program right now because of the way that they made the

[0:12:08] Voice 14: display thing so we'll put some

[0:12:10] Voice 14: information in that in the next tender post for people to write

[0:12:13] Voice 14: advocacy letters for us to get that money because we should have access to that money too

[0:12:18] Voice 8: it's very

[0:12:19] Voice 8: frustrating and um i believe um city director brett has something in the last tender post

[0:12:25] about the crd fund where you where you know

[0:12:28] Voice 8: the islands somehow there's a line somewhere

[0:12:32] Voice 8: the sand and the sea where they go there's lots of money for over there there's no money for over

[0:12:38] Voice 8: there um and you know with our own crd they they they put up these barriers so they literally get

[0:12:46] hundreds of millions of dollars for housing but it doesn't get spent here although i will say

[0:12:50] trustee brett said how

[0:12:52] Voice 8: much money i've spent

[0:12:55] Voice 8: is he did he did actually manage to pull one little segment over for the for the for the

[0:13:00] Voice 8: Galliano project, but it was kind of told, well, this is it. So that was a little frustrating, but

[0:13:05] Voice 8: we do all strongly advocate. But when you're answering to other bodies, sometimes it can be

[0:13:12] very frustrating. I know from my past political past, I was in the Truman District, and it was

[0:13:20] so female with all this money, old people get new equipment, new fire halls, all sorts of funding.

[0:13:30] but not a place full of improvement districts.

[0:13:32] And it was so frustrating.

[0:13:33] So we will continue to thump the drum on your behalf

[0:13:37] and hopefully have some positive outcomes.

[0:13:39] Because we do have strong advocates.

[0:13:41] I've got to say, with Adam Olson,

[0:13:45] he really, conventionally, does a lot of work for us.

[0:13:49] Elizabeth May, federally,

[0:13:50] Voice 8: does a lot of work for us.

[0:13:52] Voice 8: So we do have good friends in our back pocket.

[0:13:56] Voice 8: So I think I'll conclude with that.

[0:13:58] Voice 8: I think you probably have to get them married.

[0:14:00] but then with wordy honey i'm getting worse um i don't believe um uh dr lector

[0:14:08] victorian director

[0:14:09] Voice 8: brent is online um he did send regrets for trust also because he was sitting this

[0:14:16] Voice 8: week was all for the meeting so sent

[0:14:18] Voice 4: your email through the chair just wondering if you'd be

[0:14:21] Voice 4: willing to allow the cim to go before town hall because absolutely

[0:14:25] Voice 8: because i think yeah so if you

[0:14:28] Voice 8: you kids are okay we'll do this community information thing and then we'll skip back

[0:14:33] Voice 8: to town at all yes absolutely because they they're on a schedule too so

[0:14:41] Voice 9: thanks

[0:14:41] Voice 13: thank you everybody and thank you for uh inviting us to do this presentation

[0:14:48] Voice 13: because it's amazing and it's nice to see some faces and it's good for you as a community to

[0:14:53] Voice 13: Health Plan of Canada know our

[0:14:55] Voice 13: your local environmental health officer.

[0:14:58] Voice 13: My name is Joanne Lam.

[0:15:00] Voice 13: I am the senior team lead environmental health officer

[0:15:03] Voice 13: for Island Health Environmental Public Health Services.

[0:15:07] Voice 13: And this is your district environmental health officer,

[0:15:10] Voice 13: Xiaoqi.

[0:15:12] Voice 13: So if you have any questions pertaining to anything

[0:15:14] Voice 13: that we wouldn't be involved with,

[0:15:16] Voice 13: which is a lot of stuff probably,

[0:15:19] Voice 13: and I'll kind of try,

[0:15:20] Voice 13: I'll apply touch on a few things during this slide, during this presentation, but if you have

[0:15:25] Voice 13: any questions, feel free to discuss it with myself or Xiaoqi at any time, whether afterwards when we

[0:15:32] Voice 13: have question period, or if we run out of time, happy to assist you by email or phone call during

[0:15:39] Voice 13: our workday. I'll

[0:15:41] Voice 13: leave some of the cards here. Yeah, we'll provide the cards as well at the

[0:15:47] Voice 13: presentation. So for today's topics, we're going to talk

[0:15:51] Voice 13: based on some food legislation that we see,

[0:15:54] Voice 13: type of permits and

[0:15:56] Voice 13: approvals, separate food markets, just in terms of what

[0:15:59] Voice 13: the description is and their limits, what the market match

[0:16:02] Voice 13: or responsibility is, the structural bets, their

[0:16:06] Voice 13: limitations, and mobile food permits, food safe versus market

[0:16:10] Voice 13: safe, and some other issues that was brought to my attention. I

[0:16:17] Voice 13: more than juice or drinking water questions and i have touched it on the slide but

[0:16:23] Voice 13: you want more information happy to assist you after this does publication okay

[0:16:33] Voice 13: um so with the new legislation until you have a better understanding as to what our little

[0:16:38] Voice 13: could people wonder what is a proper call uh we got political all sorts complaints to businesses

[0:16:46] Voice 13: to sewage pouring out of some piece of land,

[0:16:51] Voice 13: people have issues with drinking water,

[0:16:53] Voice 13: people are getting advisory posted for water quality.

[0:16:57] Voice 13: That's basically coming out of our office.

[0:16:59] Voice 13: That's just a

[0:17:00] Voice 13: snippet of what we really do

[0:17:01] Voice 13: and what we actually tend to with public complaints and calls.

[0:17:07] Voice 13: But the reason why I'm really here,

[0:17:09] Voice 13: I guess it's primarily for the food section.

[0:17:12] Voice 13: I have to think about the end of the slide.

[0:17:16] Voice 13: Yeah, these are the three pieces of food legislation that we deal with.

[0:17:21] Voice 13: The food premises regulation is primarily what we deal with.

[0:17:27] Voice 13: This is where it's more relevant to food vending.

[0:17:30] Voice 13: So for those who are into the food sector, whether you run a business, want to start a business,

[0:17:35] Voice 13: want to be part of the farmers market, want to do some side, you know, farm to eat sales.

[0:17:41] Voice 13: this is where the Food and Drug Regulation comes into play and that's when you can solve it with us.

[0:17:47] Voice 13: This is basically how public health requirements can retail food to the public sector whether it's

[0:17:54] Voice 13: online, in person, or in the storefront. We in health authority license, we provide inspections

[0:18:02] Voice 13: and approvals and we also investigate complaints as well whether it's before illness or illegal

[0:18:09] Voice 13: old vending, et cetera. So that's where our role stands with the food premises regulation.

[0:18:15] Voice 13: We also have the Food Safety Act, which is more prescriptive and it supports the food premises

[0:18:20] Voice 13: regulation. And the Food Safety Act provides us with a little bit more tool for non-compliance.

[0:18:29] Voice 13: So this may involve seizure of foods, destroying of foods. And also the Public Health Act,

[0:18:37] Voice 13: which is an overall framework of public health

[0:18:41] Voice 13: and all the acts that fall under that.

[0:18:44] Voice 13: And it's a pretty powerful act

[0:18:45] Voice 13: and it doesn't just involve food.

[0:18:47] Voice 13: It also involves sewage,

[0:18:50] Voice 13: involves, and this is where orders for bail,

[0:18:53] Voice 13: septic, sometimes come to play.

[0:18:54] Voice 13: We issue orders under the Public Health Act.

[0:18:57] Voice 13: We also, there's also the regulated activities,

[0:19:00] Voice 13: such as tattooing, pools, drinking water,

[0:19:03] Voice 13: all open in the Public Health Act.

[0:19:09] Voice 13: So there's other guidance that are involved to support us as well, other than regulations. There are guidelines through the province, so this is applied to the whole BC, including the Gulf Islands, and this is through BCCDC and the Ministry of Health, MOH's Ministry of Health.

[0:19:27] Voice 13: um the guidelines for sale of food at chocolate market is one of them but that's always up for

[0:19:33] Voice 13: revisions and interpretation by our office um there's also the mobile food prices guidelines

[0:19:39] Voice 13: and i'll go into more detail during our presentation then there are also some

[0:19:44] Voice 13: internal documents through island hall and we are in your health authority because we are

[0:19:48] Voice 13: island health as a whole and we have some internal documents for the special events so this is the

[0:19:55] Voice 13: evolving temporary food service application and i'll also go into more useful for that

[0:20:00] Voice 13: because i know with all the islands in greater victoria south island which is where what i'm

[0:20:08] Voice 13: responsible for in our group um there's a lot of events happening and everybody wants to participate

[0:20:13] Voice 13: it's a community affair cultural it's great but everybody has to do the right thing and we apply

[0:20:19] Voice 13: We have to apply for certain things and get approved for certain things, especially when it comes to food,

[0:20:25] Voice 13: prevent any sort of foodborne illness outbreaks to the general public, especially with these larger vans.

[0:20:31] Voice 13: Okay, next.

[0:20:34] Voice 9: So there are different

[0:20:36] Voice 9: types of permits

[0:20:36] Voice 13: under the Food Rights Act going through us.

[0:20:38] Voice 13: And with the food premises regulations to be given, there's a health operating permit.

[0:20:44] Voice 13: This is an application for a process of mobile units at any commercial facilities and kitchens.

[0:20:51] Voice 13: So basically, all the food that is out there is essentially inspected and have gone through us at some point.

[0:21:00] Voice 13: And it also involves inspections and review of planned lands. There's also health approvals.

[0:21:06] Voice 13: So this may not, so storefronts may not necessarily have to have a permit, depending on what they're doing.

[0:21:12] Voice 13: So, for example, there are some lower food productions, such as Type A mobiles.

[0:21:18] Voice 13: they just get approvals. And I'll go into more details later about that. But there's

[0:21:24] Voice 13: also processors that may be low risk and just get approval through us. There's also store

[0:21:31] Voice 13: brands that just operate when you're just selling cans and soups and whatnot. There's

[0:21:36] Voice 13: no pre-production, they're just approval. They're not pulling an actual permit with

[0:21:40] Voice 13: us, but they still go through us. We still have to follow them. Then there are temporary

[0:21:48] Voice 13: These are the special events and there needs to be compliance with direct health requirements

[0:21:53] Voice 13: under the food purposes regulation and there are limitations

[0:21:57] Voice 13: with them.

[0:21:58] Voice 13: Usually there's no more than 14 days in a calendar year.

[0:22:01] Voice 13: So this is meant for a special occasion, people coming together to celebrate.

[0:22:06] Voice 13: So it's not an ongoing business per se, because if it's an ongoing business that would be

[0:22:11] Voice 13: exceeding 14 days people should start investing and thinking about you know mobile or a store

[0:22:17] Voice 13: of brands or doing catering getting a license for something that working out of the commercial

[0:22:22] Voice 13: kitchen will help you be able to go further out there and allow more exposure to the food to the

[0:22:29] Voice 13: public. And then this is a social platform where there's a market manager hall, and there's

[0:22:44] Voice 13: letters of confirmation for higher risk groups or approved kitchens that hold a permit with

[0:22:48] Voice 13: us. And

[0:22:48] Voice 1: then there are also lower

[0:22:49] Voice 13: risk groups, which do not require a permit. There's no

[0:23:00] Voice 2: we still

[0:23:01] Voice 13: have to approve them to some degree to say it's okay, go ahead. And that's it.

[0:23:11] Voice 13: So again, with the permanent facilities, we're talking about restaurants, pubs, takeout,

[0:23:33] Voice 2: It's

[0:23:33] Voice 13: not limited to just the serving, these products without a restaurant, these

[0:23:39] Voice 13: compounds shall cheat, should we have to insist.

[0:23:42] Voice 13: There are terms and conditions under the Food Promotion Regulations that could be applied

[0:23:46] Voice 13: to permits.

[0:23:47] Voice 13: If the facility is too small and the person is trying to be very elaborate with a very

[0:23:53] Voice 13: small tiny kitchen um we could put limitations online um so this could be limitations of menu

[0:23:59] Voice 13: items uh imposing other requirements at the discretion of the health authority and of course

[0:24:16] Voice 2: expected regularly they have a

[0:24:19] Voice 13: part of her district she also has already attached to

[0:24:21] Voice 13: permits. And under the food premises regulations, some food

[0:24:27] Voice 13: premises do not require a permit, but rules don't require

[0:24:30] Voice 13: a permit to do that. And these are like food processors or food

[0:24:33] Voice 13: stores. Still under construction, we need to review

[0:24:37] Voice 13: it. And so we should be consulting them. And of course,

[0:24:40] Voice 13: every year, the health inspector goes in and inspects it still.

[0:24:43] Voice 13: These are generally more easier inspections under our scope.

[0:24:47] Voice 2: go um next so with food process requirements there

[0:24:59] Voice 13: are other requirements um such as like

[0:25:02] Voice 13: inner islands um because um people might have a wall system so this is separate from the community

[0:25:08] Voice 13: wall system if you're on your own farmland and you want to start supplying food out of office

[0:25:15] Voice 13: off that piece of property but you're not you know talking to the series of them or the

[0:25:22] Voice 13: then you need to create your own private well into an actual water supply system and this requires

[0:25:30] Voice 13: approvals with our office because you have to be in compliance with the Drinking Water Protection

[0:25:36] Voice 13: Act and regulation. In addition, when it comes to wastewater disposal, it has to meet the sewer

[0:25:42] Voice 13: system regulation. So it's definitely the capacity of your sewer system must meet the flow of

[0:25:49] Voice 13: whatever your operation may be um other considerations is the business license

[0:25:53] Voice 13: donating their license especially by fire gas fitters tobacco sales etc and local trust

[0:26:01] Voice 13: committee bylaws are in place all those things your doctor and everybody must comply with all

[0:26:08] Voice 13: the requirements.

[0:26:10] Voice 2: Okay, sorry,

[0:26:20] Voice 13: I had a diagram where it kind of talks about farmer's markets

[0:26:26] Voice 13: and that under the farmer's market there are two different types of operations that can happen.

[0:26:32] Voice 13: Those who just want to vend their products. So if you're just trying to make cookies and pies

[0:26:38] Voice 13: at the farmers market that's considered low risk and you can make that from your home

[0:26:42] Voice 13: that's not a problem but as long as it's low risk meaning it's got low water activity there's no

[0:26:48] Voice 13: protein products in there it's like meats sausages cheeses in there they're not there's

[0:26:54] Voice 13: low risk and you can make that from your home and sell it at the farmers market of course the

[0:26:59] Voice 13: market manager must know what you're providing this is the whole purpose of the market manager

[0:27:03] Voice 13: is that they will know what your view of the vendor is applying to the public at this market.

[0:27:10] Voice 13: They are responsible, so if there's ever an outbreak, they have track records of what's

[0:27:17] Voice 13: happening and they can provide that to us when we request it. So we have to work together to

[0:27:23] Voice 13: make the farmers market be successful and safe for the general public. However, if you are making

[0:27:31] Voice 13: high-risk foods, you would need to make it out of a commercial kitchen. So there may be sauerkraut,

[0:27:39] Voice 13: fermented foods such as kombucha, sausage rolls, sausages, anything

[0:27:48] Voice 11: that has protein

[0:27:50] Voice 13: or considered high-risk. And in the

[0:27:53] Voice 13: BCCPC guidance document for harvest market, it actually lists

[0:27:57] Voice 13: in one of the appendixes as to what high-risk foods are. At the farmers' markets, as much as

[0:28:06] Voice 13: they're vendors, now they're becoming to be more involved into more like an event sometimes,

[0:28:10] Voice 13: and people start vending foods. These are hot, ready-to-eat foods. Soups, you know, ready eats,

[0:28:17] Voice 13: sausage rolls, pizza by the slice, all these sort of food, monthly made at a commercial kitchen.

[0:28:23] Voice 13: And of course, they're considered to be the special temporary market, and they would have to go through a separate application form, which I will go through in this presentation, in terms of what they need to do to supply food.

[0:28:37] Voice 13: There is a limitation of 14 days for those who are doing the food or meat consumption at a stall that's not a mobile unit.

[0:28:45] Voice 13: If you were to be able to attend a farmer's market, you can attend as freely as you want

[0:28:54] Voice 13: as long as you hold a valid permit with us for the year.

[0:28:59] Voice 13: So here's a

[0:29:00] Voice 13: picture of what you would typically see and the one that will differentiate between

[0:29:08] Voice 13: what a farmer's market may look like, you know, fruits, jellies, and all the fresh vegetables

[0:29:12] Voice 13: in a farmer's market.

[0:29:13] Voice 13: This is how we actually began about 25 years ago when the farmer's market first kind of took off.

[0:29:19] Voice 13: That was the initial intention of the farmer's market.

[0:29:23] Voice 13: It's an avenue where farmers can bring their produce and everybody has access to organic, local foods, which is great.

[0:29:31] Voice 13: And then it became more with preserved jellies and jams and very different types of jams and preserves.

[0:29:40] Voice 13: so people are getting more

[0:29:42] Voice 13: happier. And as we

[0:29:43] Voice 13: kind of evolve, the higher risk

[0:29:45] Voice 13: is came out. And this is where it's our cross

[0:29:47] Voice 13: weekend and the kombucha and

[0:29:49] Voice 13: the savory pie and

[0:29:51] Voice 13: everything else that goes in there.

[0:29:53] Voice 13: Falta, pickled things, right?

[0:29:55] Voice 13: So there, of course,

[0:29:57] Voice 13: we can always be consulted if you wish.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: to propose any sort of food items for the farmers market and we'd be happily able to

[0:30:05] Voice 13: assist you whether it's deemed low risk versus high risk and whether you need to work better

[0:30:13] Voice 1: or

[0:30:14] Voice 13: not and how you need to work out

[0:30:51] Voice 2: The pictures here

[0:30:54] Voice 13: are pictures of the festival, it

[0:30:58] Voice 2: could be a smaller sort of event, we're

[0:31:14] Voice 2: just serving barbecues and hot dogs and

[0:31:16] Voice 13: whatnot, you know, whether it's pressed juices, and

[0:31:20] Voice 13: I'll talk a little bit further about that later, and hopefully in the commercial kitchen

[0:31:23] Voice 13: space.

[0:31:24] Voice 13: things. As I mentioned before, I'm a vendor for Firmware Smart Camp. I'm a market manager.

[0:31:30] Voice 13: There's vendors on a wholesale level. There's free packaged products. There's a limitation

[0:31:35] Voice 13: that technically there could be no preparation of food occurring on site. So if someone is

[0:31:42] Voice 13: selling jams and stuff, there shouldn't be them making extra stuff with those jams.

[0:31:48] Voice 13: All of a sudden, put it together, jam sandwiches and everything else. You just sell that product.

[0:31:54] Voice 13: If you want to start producing food, then that's when the sample bed trucking application comes to play.

[0:32:02] Voice 2: And of course, environmental health officer is involved, depending

[0:32:13] Voice 13: on whether it's high risk or low risk.

[0:32:20] Voice 13: So the market manager responsibilities, as I mentioned, is that there's oversight.

[0:32:24] Voice 13: they meet other responsibilities outlined under section three of the guidelines for sales of foods at temporary food markets.

[0:32:31] Voice 13: They maintain a list of all the vendors to be attending, and they determine which vendors actually sell the low risk versus the high risk food products.

[0:32:39] Voice 13: And of course, there is a requirement for testing to ensure, to certify that they are low risk food products.

[0:32:46] Voice 13: This may be water activity and acidity tests, and same with high risk foods.

[0:32:53] Voice 13: So lower risk foods are basically can be home prepared, no application required, but you

[0:33:02] Voice 13: should consult with the health authority for approval, and as I mentioned laboratory testing

[0:33:07] Voice 13: for a maximum water activity of 0.85 or maximum pH of 4.6 to make sure that it is a good product.

[0:33:22] Voice 13: Once we retain on-site by the vendor and or the market manager, I think they role in

[0:33:27] Voice 13: boost AP and ensuring that vendors are selling what they have been approved for.

[0:33:32] Voice 13: And these are some examples of low risk foods. Full sub-vegetable, pre-packaged cookies,

[0:33:38] Voice 13: baked pie, breads, and jams. And then there are high risk foods. Sales are limited to foods

[0:33:46] Voice 13: approved by the environmental health concern there must be testing is completed and

[0:33:51] Voice 13: it must be

[0:33:51] Voice 13: prepared in an approved food facility all vendors are to submit along with the application an

[0:33:58] Voice 13: effective food safety plan um so this is a plan kind of like around how you produce the food

[0:34:03] Voice 13: products and how they've been transported and treated stored um and they must have a complete

[0:34:09] Voice 13: product list and this goes back to how i mentioned that should there be an outbreak if somebody

[0:34:15] Voice 13: it consumes garlic oil, for example, that's involved somewhere, and all of a sudden, the

[0:34:20] Voice 13: washi lime cake comes out, and that's what's happened before, even in a commercial food

[0:34:25] Voice 13: facility, and not even assuming that it's coming from a farmer's market, even from an

[0:34:30] Voice 13: approved facility, outbreaks can happen, and we need to recall, figure out when it was

[0:34:36] Voice 13: made, where is it made from, who is the person responsible, et cetera, and go through the

[0:34:41] Voice 13: whole food safety timing of how did they handle it so this is where we investigate and of course

[0:34:46] Voice 13: with hybrid smoothies you need a lot of confirmation jobs and these are just examples of some pirate

[0:34:53] Voice 13: foods like sauerkraut hummus dip meringue pies i know it's sweet but the custard and the whipped

[0:35:00] Voice 13: egg protein but it's not kept cold and hot it's a high-risk students right protest press character

[0:35:08] Voice 13: because the whole thing can vary. It's low-res, but the minute you process it or heat it up,

[0:35:12] Voice 13: it becomes a high-risk product. Cheese, I don't know what that is, or pesto of some sort,

[0:35:21] Voice 13: sausage lace, or custard, clove, cream, okay? And this is a form that you would see,

[0:35:30] Voice 13: which is for high-risk foods. It just basically just spells out who the application is,

[0:35:36] Voice 13: what the product is, and then it allows the environmental health officer to connect with them, and it lists the types of foods you're providing.

[0:35:46] Voice 13: And that's how we have track record of the types of foods that are being approved.

[0:35:52] Voice 13: Food and service operators as a marketer. So Sun Pets or Ross Crofts, for example,

[0:35:57] Voice 13: whole mind to also provide their products out there because shop by quick there's wonderful

[0:36:03] Voice 13: sauce that everybody wants to buy but they also want to have the farmer's market they are

[0:36:09] Voice 13: permitted to do so because they're already working on a commercial

[0:36:11] Voice 13: facility it's a restaurant that's already permitted by us and they do not need the

[0:36:17] Voice 13: letter of confirmation because um they already have a system they're already working on

[0:36:23] Voice 13: commercial kitchen um so that's that's the difference okay next four special events

[0:36:30] Voice 13: these are the events that are serving ropey turkey um by the plate to whoever wants to buy

[0:36:37] Voice 13: it by the plate it might be less pricey salad with the donair uh that's a special event food

[0:36:42] Voice 13: type um and there's a group of people coming together to watch and participate um they're

[0:36:49] Voice 13: not private events private events are basically like weddings they're a closed guest list so we

[0:36:56] Voice 13: wouldn't be involved with that but this is like special events for example canada day celebration

[0:37:02] Voice 13: pride festivals where you're creating a community gathering and you're providing food to celebrate

[0:37:08] Voice 13: a one-time event essentially and it may not may or may not be associated with the temporary market

[0:37:15] Voice 13: But food preparation is permitted on site, but you do have to provide application to us.

[0:37:21] Voice 9: So you can't do potluck?

[0:37:23] Voice 13: You can't do potluck?

[0:37:25] Voice 13: Potlucks are your own private event, we wouldn't be involved, no.

[0:37:29] Voice 13: Unless it's like, you know, you made it to a special event where it's a community potluck thing,

[0:37:35] Voice 13: and you're just opening it up to everybody to celebrate something.

[0:37:39] Voice 13: But if you're doing a book club and you want to do a pop-up,

[0:37:44] Voice 9: that's your own.

[0:37:45] Voice 9: No, I'm thinking more

[0:37:46] Voice 9: in the community hall.

[0:37:47] Voice 9: Like if you did an open kind of event and just thought, like, you can't do that.

[0:37:50] Voice 9: So it's like.

[0:37:51] Voice 13: Depends.

[0:37:52] Voice 13: Is it a closed community?

[0:37:54] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:37:54] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:37:55] Voice 9: So

[0:37:55] Voice 13: you can just apply for it.

[0:37:56] Voice 13: But you would be limited to 14 days.

[0:37:58] Voice 13: So I'll let you do more than 14.

[0:37:59] Voice 13: More than once in a while.

[0:38:00] Voice 13: Which

[0:38:01] Voice 14: I don't think,

[0:38:01] Voice 13: I don't see that happening.

[0:38:03] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:38:03] Voice 13: So of course, not the event.

[0:38:05] Voice 13: I have to mention there's no more than 14 days in the calendar year.

[0:38:08] Voice 13: year. And the attendance of a special event application is

[0:38:13] Voice 13: basically an opportunity to just propose a business meeting. So

[0:38:19] Voice 13: people who attend these events, and the reason why we limited

[0:38:22] Voice 13: opportunities, is that most people who attend these events,

[0:38:26] Voice 13: partly is about community gathering, partly

[0:38:31] Voice 1: is about

[0:38:32] Voice 13: a

[0:38:34] Voice 13: person actually just trying out their business, you know,

[0:38:38] Voice 13: sandwiches take off with their sushi making take off so they attend these events to see how it would

[0:38:44] Voice 13: do so that's always limited after a year or a couple years beginning 14 days in a year if it's

[0:38:49] Voice 13: becoming very big and you want to start going for a whole month or seasonally or going all year

[0:38:56] Voice 13: around it's time to think about a mobile or think about doing a takeout or a process or having a

[0:39:04] Voice 13: kitchen to work out of. So menu items at special events can be

[0:39:12] Voice 13: limited because these are temporary sets. So it's very

[0:39:16] Voice 13: different from a hub that has the old things, the old

[0:39:19] Voice 13: dishwashers, all the knives and clean plates that you can have.

[0:39:23] Voice 13: This is in a temporary fixed location. So we would not expect

[0:39:26] Voice 13: to see a whole smorgasbord of food to be served there and

[0:39:29] Voice 13: prepared on site. These are simply just like one or two

[0:39:32] Voice 13: menu items. Like you know, somebody would make butter

[0:39:35] Voice 13: chicken in the kitchen plus some rice and also a course and then it was solid at one fixed location

[0:39:43] Voice 13: and then it would just dispense it very simplified there should be overcooking or over prepping at

[0:39:50] Voice 13: these type of locations and of course we would like to see the application forms submitted within

[0:39:55] Voice 13: 14 days of an event often we get events coming in last minute all these applications coming last

[0:40:01] Voice 13: last minute, but during the peak summer time, as I mentioned earlier, today already, we have already

[0:40:07] Voice 13: approved 400 events, and there has been many applications on site times 10 of that. So you

[0:40:15] Voice 13: can only imagine the type of work that we would get for just a moment if people were just applying

[0:40:20] Voice 13: last minute. So this is why we require 14 days in advance applications. Okay, next.

[0:40:27] Voice 13: The purpose of these special event application process is that it protects you and the customers and to outline what is being prepared and served in a safe manner.

[0:40:39] Voice 13: You can find a copy of these application forms through our office. You can connect to a Sheldon or myself or the Gateway main office line.

[0:40:50] Voice 13: We are happy to send it to you, but you can also find it on our websites.

[0:40:53] Voice 13: sites. So in order for you to fill out the form, you need to understand what your finalized menu

[0:40:59] Voice 13: items are, list it, and how you plan on preparing it and transporting the food to the event.

[0:41:05] Voice 13: There has to be also some method of hand washing and that's spelled out on the actual application

[0:41:10] Voice 13: form anyways, so hopefully if anybody's interested in doing that or had experience of filling the

[0:41:16] Voice 13: bundles out, they would have given you some options as to what kind of hand washing they're

[0:41:22] Voice 13: requiring um we all these application

[0:41:25] Voice 13: forms could go through a coordinator with that coordinator

[0:41:29] Voice 13: and that coordinator is to send all that submission to us uh because there are some submissions some

[0:41:36] Voice 13: events that entail 60 food vendors so what we don't want to see is a stream of different vendors

[0:41:43] Voice 13: um sending in different practices randomly because it could be more than the lineup that we're

[0:41:47] Voice 13: dealing with and they'll just get BMF. Well we want to see the coordinators take on that role

[0:41:52] Voice 13: and say that these are my food vendors and here they are. So we know that there's 10 of them in

[0:41:58] Voice 13: there and it's been listed and we're just reviewing the 10 and providing the approval for the 10.

[0:42:02] Voice 13: So it's a lot more smoother that way. Okay next. And of course when you get your permits that has

[0:42:09] Voice 13: to be posted. So this

[0:42:12] Voice 9: is the application

[0:42:12] Voice 13: form that we would change. Next. So if you find that

[0:42:18] Voice 13: attending these simple events is creating a good business, you want to do something more permanent,

[0:42:23] Voice 13: perhaps the mobile group premise would be the most ideal way. This is the answer of food trucks

[0:42:29] Voice 13: or carts, and they do get approved with us. You get a DECL or a permit with us, and we do approve

[0:42:36] Voice 13: the layout and there should be hand-walking on site, but most of the time there needs to be a commentary patient tag to it.

[0:42:43] Voice 13: There are times that you don't need a commentary patient and that's usually when it's just retailing ice cream that's already pre-packaged, for example.

[0:42:51] Voice 13: With a food, mobile food premise or a mobile food truck, there's no limitations of operation.

[0:42:58] Voice 13: You can work, like all the food we've been approved, you can work throughout pulling a valid yearly permit.

[0:43:03] Voice 13: of the place and there are annual fees applied but it's not that much actually there's like

[0:43:08] Voice 9: for one second yeah

[0:43:11] Voice 14: so we have actually more than one of these situations on our island

[0:43:15] Voice 14: so just out of curiosity um so it's our local bylaws that is inhibiting the placement of those

[0:43:21] Voice 14: food trucks across the landscape or do you have a placement issue about where they sit in the world

[0:43:26] Voice 14: like

[0:43:27] Voice 13: where they serve, yeah, they can serve where they want, unless the by-law is more specific.

[0:43:34] Voice 13: If our by-law will be specific to where they can locate themselves, we have no say in that.

[0:43:39] Voice 13: We're just approving the mobile truck, so if you see that a portable truck sitting on an illegal

[0:43:44] Voice 13: piece of property that it should be on, based on your by-law, it's up to the by-law to report it.

[0:43:49] Voice 14: Yeah, well, I think about it the opposite way, actually. I'm trying to think about, like,

[0:43:53] Voice 14: how do we actually make our ballot work for where we want to be.

[0:43:58] Voice 14: Yeah, okay.

[0:44:00] Voice 14: Yeah, that's good to think about, so I'll just end that one.

[0:44:03] Voice 14: But

[0:44:03] Voice 13: there are also some illegal food trucks that have not been approved.

[0:44:05] Voice 13: That's a different issue, yeah.

[0:44:07] Voice 13: That's a different issue.

[0:44:07] Voice 13: Our issue isn't that we have illegal food trucks,

[0:44:12] Voice 13: it's the issue is that we don't have anywhere even where we can put them.

[0:44:16] Voice 14: Yeah, that's our issue, I think.

[0:44:17] Voice 14: So because we have food trucks that are great,

[0:44:21] Voice 14: but I don't think

[0:44:22] Voice 14: we actually have a spot

[0:44:24] Voice 14: legally on the bylaw

[0:44:26] Voice 14: so other than events

[0:44:29] Voice 14: like farmer's market

[0:44:30] Voice 9: that could be part of the bylaw

[0:44:32] Voice 9: thank you

[0:44:37] Voice 12: I'm just wondering

[0:44:38] Voice 12: how many of you came to this presentation

[0:44:40] Voice 12: and there are a lot of

[0:44:43] Voice 12: issues on the island around food

[0:44:46] Voice 12: and

[0:44:46] Voice 12: showing us pictures of application

[0:44:48] Voice 12: forms is not exactly what I came to see. I don't think it's useful. So maybe you could

[0:44:55] Voice 12: talk to the issues that the island has. Yeah, I'm not sure that this is the right thing.

[0:45:01] Voice 12: Yeah, we can

[0:45:02] Voice 13: talk about specific issues afterwards if you have a specific question, because that

[0:45:08] Voice 13: would help me in terms of what are the issues. I'm just giving an overall right now for what

[0:45:13] Voice 13: what our responsibilities are and what is open to the public for them to apply to make it so

[0:45:22] Voice 14: yeah but it's not why i came yeah and julia just to like frame that so we we did ask to have certain

[0:45:30] Voice 14: topics addressed to like have sort of the same base level information right so that we're starting

[0:45:37] Voice 14: from the same base on certain things um because there's several things in here that i didn't know

[0:45:41] Voice 14: for instance just related to viha so it's for us to be aware but we want to have those specific

[0:45:46] Voice 14: questions because we have a series of questions that we know are raised related to food issues

[0:45:50] Voice 14: on the island and not just food also the outhouse related issues there's some water related house

[0:45:55] Voice 14: issues that we have here

[0:45:56] Voice 14: so maybe if we have like like five more minutes just to wrap this up and

[0:46:00] Voice 14: then we'll deal with those specific questions yeah i do kind of have a question first i would

[0:46:05] Voice 14: love to hear what the reasons are and hopefully we can provide you with an answer to the environment

[0:46:11] Voice 14: Because we had kind of a range of asks related to viha. And so

[0:46:14] Voice 14: this was part of it.

[0:46:17] Voice 14: Yes, I know. They got switched here.

[0:46:21] Voice 14: Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

[0:46:26] Voice 13: We're almost towards the end.

[0:46:29] Voice 13: Okay, so of course, this is the example of the one mobile

[0:46:32] Voice 13: bootcamp. You can be a cart, or you can be a mobile. And of

[0:46:36] Voice 13: course, you'll see those all over town or all over Victoria

[0:46:39] Voice 13: or elsewhere.

[0:46:41] Voice 13: Of course, that's not what the mobile application program looks like.

[0:46:45] Voice 13: There's a checkbox there that says it's a mobile.

[0:46:50] Voice 13: And of course, with mobile units, it comes with three different categories, A, B, and C.

[0:46:55] Voice 13: And it all depends on whether it needs a permit, which is usually Category B and Category C,

[0:47:01] Voice 13: because you're dealing with more high-hazard food products.

[0:47:04] Voice 13: um unit a might also require um a permit or somebody that or may or may not require safes

[0:47:12] Voice 13: but it does require an approval process so it's just an approval not a actual permit uh but it

[0:47:18] Voice 1: also

[0:47:18] Voice 13: tells you about how many numbers of sinks there are and what's the capacity of um

[0:47:24] Voice 13: but knowing the categories is up to the actual environmental officer to actually determine

[0:47:32] Voice 13: based on what you're

[0:47:33] Voice 2: proposing as your food products that you're trying to serve.

[0:47:40] Voice 2: So food safe and market safe, what's the difference?

[0:47:44] Voice 13: So food safe is basically a certification that's recognized throughout the province.

[0:47:51] Voice 13: And it's a certificate that you would hold down for five years in regards to renewal process.

[0:47:56] Voice 13: Anybody who runs a permanent facility or a legit food provider will have food safe.

[0:48:05] Voice 13: at least one person on duty would have it and you can go to foodstate.ca for information

[0:48:11] Voice 13: there's courses are online in person or by correspondence there's your freshman courses

[0:48:15] Voice 13: which are about one to three hours long depending on how fast you can go through the course

[0:48:21] Voice 13: market safe is intended for those who are attending the farmers market also for low risk

[0:48:27] Voice 13: foods the high risk food vendors would require food safe level one certification markets are

[0:48:35] Voice 13: are really for market vendors of lower risk foods it's not a requirement legal requirement like food

[0:48:41] Voice 13: safe but food safe is required under the food promises regulation we would just recommend it

[0:48:47] Voice 13: for vendors for dollars okay so moving on to other issues uh people were talking about outhouses um

[0:48:57] Voice 13: you know what about our houses basically our houses are not allowed if you're just gonna

[0:49:02] Voice 13: to decide to plunk an alcove in the back of your backyard, reason being that it's not approved,

[0:49:09] Voice 13: we don't know if there's any exposure to neighbouring wells that could cause 1L and

[0:49:15] Voice 13: exposure to the general public. However, you can make it comply and make it a legal alcove

[0:49:22] Voice 13: if you can actually apply for that holding tank. So this would be requirement of application to

[0:49:30] Voice 13: our office to ensure that you know under the it would have to comply with the sewage system

[0:49:36] Voice 13: regulation that all domestic sewage must be in a structure that's not discharged into public

[0:49:43] Voice 13: lands but is into a municipal sewer sewer system or holding chain so that's one way you can make

[0:49:50] Voice 13: it legal okay next there's

[0:49:54] Voice 1: also discussion about

[0:49:55] Voice 13: gray water because gray water is considered to be

[0:49:57] Voice 13: domestic sewage and must be discharged into a municipal sewer sewer system or a holding tank

[0:50:03] Voice 13: unless

[0:50:03] Voice 2: another announcement

[0:50:04] Voice 13: a provincial regulation or a local bylaw allows domestic

[0:50:08] Voice 13: sewers to be discharged into ground or water it would have to make sure that general public is

[0:50:15] Voice 13: not exposed to it um i don't know how that would typically work but there is a um minister of health

[0:50:23] Voice 13: health guidance document on rainwater reuse.

[0:50:27] Voice 13: Next, rainwater attachment regulations.

[0:50:30] Voice 13: People who are thinking about we need to utilize rainwater

[0:50:35] Voice 13: to reuse, repurpose.

[0:50:37] Voice 13: Well, there's nothing from our point that we can say

[0:50:43] Voice 13: that limits a single family of us to do that.

[0:50:45] Voice 13: So they are exempt under our rights.

[0:50:48] Voice 13: However, for the general community as a whole,

[0:50:51] Voice 13: it wants to create a system

[0:50:53] Voice 13: system, you would have to, you would have to comply with the

[0:50:56] Voice 13: drinking water protection optimization. So you would need

[0:50:59] Voice 13: the necessary approval, the comments, etc. It would have to

[0:51:02] Voice 13: go through an office once again, to construct the water supply

[0:51:05] Voice 13: system. There are treatment objectives for potable rainwater

[0:51:10] Voice 13: harvesting through the Ministry of Health. There's a guidance

[0:51:13] Voice 13: document on that. And if you

[0:51:14] Voice 13: move to the next screen, these

[0:51:16] Voice 13: are documents one for rainwater reuse, and rainwater catch

[0:51:22] Voice 13: And if you have any questions, I'm here for a little time to just answer any questions.

[0:51:32] Voice 13: Shows you can also be available to answer any questions beyond this day of presentation, of course.

[0:51:39] Voice 9: If

[0:51:40] Voice 13: you have any questions you want to give an email to us, feel free to.

[0:51:45] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:51:46] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:51:48] Voice 1: I think

[0:51:49] Voice 9: a lot of people that sell food at the end of their driveway, which one of these do they follow?

[0:51:55] Voice 9: In their driveway?

[0:51:56] Voice 1: What kind of food are

[0:51:57] Voice 9: we talking about?

[0:51:58] Voice 9: Homemade.

[0:51:59] Voice 13: It's top brand.

[0:52:00] Voice 9: Let's start with brand.

[0:52:00] Voice 9: Let's

[0:52:01] Voice 13: start with brand.

[0:52:01] Voice 13: Sure.

[0:52:02] Voice 13: That's right.

[0:52:03] Voice 13: That's fine.

[0:52:04] Voice 13: I mean, this is a hard-to-get sale.

[0:52:06] Voice 13: They want to say, well, it's

[0:52:07] Voice 13: a high-scary food.

[0:52:09] Voice 13: Cheese.

[0:52:10] Voice 13: Cheese cake.

[0:52:11] Voice 13: We've got fermented.

[0:52:12] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:52:13] Voice 13: You can't do that.

[0:52:14] Voice 13: unless they cook it in a kitchen then you can do online sales yeah and you can pick it up from your

[0:52:23] Voice 13: home okay so

[0:52:24] Voice 13: if i'm a

[0:52:24] Voice 2: customer and whether they're at a food

[0:52:35] Voice 13: market or somewhere else

[0:52:38] Voice 13: the customers and i know the business that they are doing so i have to go to you and ask

[0:52:46] Voice 13: If you go to our health department's website, under my health department, there's a food

[0:52:52] Voice 13: inspection website.

[0:52:53] Voice 13: You can type in the address or the name of the person, like the cake product or whatever.

[0:52:59] Voice 13: I don't know what that would be.

[0:53:01] Voice 13: And they should actually have a file on it.

[0:53:07] Voice 13: You'll

[0:53:07] Voice 9: see the last

[0:53:08] Voice 13: inspection report.

[0:53:10] Voice 13: But if

[0:53:11] Voice 1: you don't see

[0:53:11] Voice 13: that, then they're leaving.

[0:53:12] Voice 13: and we get a lot of legal complaints come to us and fair enough like we understand it's not just

[0:53:21] Voice 13: all the islands

[0:53:28] Voice 13: but

[0:53:31] Voice 2: there

[0:53:32] Voice 13: are violence in place you know there's food safety

[0:53:36] Voice 2: in place if there's an outbreak that

[0:53:38] Voice 2: happens you're not us but you're

[0:53:50] Voice 13: legally responsible it's

[0:53:51] Voice 14: just one question so i have

[0:53:53] Voice 14: water so wait before we go to water kathy can you just have all the questions because i want

[0:53:57] Voice 14: to get all the like have some time before it's taking out water and

[0:54:00] Voice 13: you have to also remember

[0:54:00] Voice 13: so just

[0:54:06] Voice 14: to be clear about the question related to bread and and

[0:54:15] Voice 14: soup and all that kind of stuff i think eric and i've been trying to figure this out via approval

[0:54:20] Voice 14: of food is around have an overlapping issue about where you're allowed to do food sales related to

[0:54:26] Voice 14: if it's coming off a farm if it's a market if it's at the

[0:54:30] Voice 9: end of your driveway and

[0:54:31] Voice 14: problem is

[0:54:32] Voice 14: like home-based business and the problem

[0:54:36] Voice 14: is that how we've defined home-based business related to that got a little bit murky during

[0:54:45] Voice 14: And because we allowed a bunch of things during COVID that weren't actually allowed in our bylaws.

[0:54:50] Voice 14: And so we have to kind of agree that we actually need to change any of those things to be more lenient about home-based businesses with related food sales.

[0:54:58] Voice 14: But they still have to meet VHA's rules around health and safety.

[0:55:05] Voice 2: So we'll

[0:55:06] Voice 14: just have to clarify that.

[0:55:08] Voice 13: And for me, it sounds like, of course, there's violence,

[0:55:13] Voice 13: violence that allow, do not allow it, but it's also, you've got to think about how much you're putting out there, and how you're presenting it.

[0:55:23] Voice 13: Because if it's in a hot, beating sun and you're not protecting it, people are still running the risk of purchasing your product.

[0:55:30] Voice 13: But if that's with bread, ideally, if you're going to have burrungi at sale and it's allowed,

[0:55:35] Voice 13: prepackage it.

[0:55:36] Voice 13: Shelter it away from the sun, right, and at the same time, ensure that it's limited quantity

[0:55:41] Voice 13: so you don't have like a full case load of that, almost like a country grocery or a turkeys

[0:55:48] Voice 13: that you're selling.

[0:55:49] Voice 13: If it gets to that level where you're getting a major traffic jam, buy your bread, you have

[0:55:56] Voice 13: have to start your own business elsewhere, if not, you want to have a free time, decide to make the bread from the weekend, I have extra, so I'm going to sell it on the corner of my drive.

[0:56:07] Voice 14: Yeah, the issue for us from a bylaw perspective, a lot of it is around safety roads and like access, people stopping outside the road, so setbacks, like, yeah, so there's some, and neighbors, like disruption in the neighborhood, if you're someone

[0:56:20] Voice 2: who's creating this kind of thing, yeah.

[0:56:21] Voice 2: Um, but they're different. A guideline is not a requirement. Yeah. Um, or the, what

[0:57:56] Voice 12: was that at the end

[0:57:58] Voice 13: of the driveway? Not at a market for high-risk foods like cheesecake.

[0:58:06] Voice 2: They should

[0:58:07] Voice 13: have a

[0:58:08] Voice 12: requirement post that it was produced in a commercial kitchen.

[0:58:14] Voice 12: Well,

[0:58:14] Voice 13: any high-resistance cannot be anywhere in a homemade area.

[0:58:19] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:58:19] Voice 13: And that is spoken in the food premises regulation.

[0:58:23] Voice 13: It is.

[0:58:24] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:58:25] Voice 13: And it's supported the guidelines and the regulations kind of work hand in hand.

[0:58:30] Voice 13: And it's

[0:58:31] Voice 13: also, like I said, there's other pieces of legislation, the Food Safety Act and the Public Health Act.

[0:58:36] Voice 13: If we find a legal food value and a person refuses to stop, we issue orders.

[0:58:42] Voice 13: If you don't stop at the order, don't record inductions because it's not in public health

[0:58:47] Voice 13: apps.

[0:58:48] Voice 3: Comercia

[0:58:49] Voice 13: and ice cream and cheesecake, that's a large part of Magic Lake.

[0:58:55] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:58:56] Voice 14: Just to be clear, some of the places in Magic Lake, those things are made in commercial

[0:59:01] Voice 14: kitchens.

[0:59:02] Voice 14: There are multiple commercial kitchens operating in Market Lake, or sorry, and so if you have

[0:59:11] Voice 14: doubt about that i would prefer instead of everybody phoning in behind creating a bunch

[0:59:16] Voice 14: of file enforcement i would prefer people just ask the vendor to produce their letter showing

[0:59:20] Voice 14: that they're in a commercial kitchen um and maybe i've made some notes as we've been going here

[0:59:25] Voice 14: and i will actually put the links that are up in here into the pender post next month

[0:59:30] Voice 14: and just make sure that we like put a general call out to those folks to like maybe you could

[0:59:35] Voice 14: just make a point of showing that you have your permit right so you know if we fully understand

[0:59:42] Voice 13: you know where the community won't have a desire like but we're dealing with every aspect of this

[0:59:47] Voice 13: community those who are full-on businesses have investors that have an interview to those who

[0:59:53] Voice 13: want to do things small and low risk they find that fine but then there's this middle grade right

[1:00:00] Voice 13: some people don't have investments behind them to be able to create it but they want to do it so

[1:00:05] Voice 13: how can they do it no we don't always try to be crafty and we have been crafting with certain

[1:00:10] Voice 13: people to assist them and some have worked out perfectly for them some have moved themselves

[1:00:16] Voice 13: into mobile perfect but you can always find a way of creating space if you can i don't know

[1:00:22] Voice 13: based on zoning the bylaws whether you can create that kind of location on your piece of property

[1:00:29] Voice 13: But we would just permit it, and then we would just inspect it as you go, and you could share

[1:00:34] Voice 13: that commercial kitchen.

[1:00:57] Voice 14: I think

[1:00:57] Voice 14: we probably have a couple quick questions, and then we want to resolve them.

[1:01:08] Voice 4: So maybe if the vendors who have a home-based commercial kitchen,

[1:01:13] Voice 13: we put that on the labeling of whatever they're selling.

[1:01:17] Voice 13: That might help.

[1:01:18] Voice 13: Maybe they're doing that already,

[1:01:19] Voice 13: but encouraging a home-based vendor with

[1:01:24] Voice 4: a commercial kitchen

[1:01:25] Voice 4: to put it on the product they're selling it,

[1:01:28] Voice 4: whether they're selling it at the end of their driveway

[1:01:30] Voice 4: or somewhere else.

[1:01:31] Voice 4: Like even encouraging that or checking on it,

[1:01:35] Voice 4: that that would be a fairly simple thing to encourage and you'd think that if I've taken

[1:01:41] Voice 4: the trouble to create a commercial kitchen and I had friends who've done that, they would be proud

[1:01:48] Voice 4: to put that on the product they're selling. Even

[1:01:52] Voice 4: though for some people it's an oxymoron

[1:01:55] Voice 4: home-based commercial kitchen. But the

[1:01:58] Voice 4: commercial kitchen

[1:01:59] Voice 13: would still be permitted by us,

[1:02:02] Voice 13: So if

[1:02:02] Voice 13: someone were to look for a name, like whatever your business name,

[1:02:07] Voice 13: would have that for a kitchen.

[1:02:10] Voice 13: Yeah, well, it

[1:02:11] Voice 4: could be on the

[1:02:11] Voice 13: product, not just on your database.

[1:02:15] Voice 14: Yeah, they could.

[1:02:16] Voice 14: All right.

[1:02:17] Voice 14: Can we touch on that?

[1:02:19] Voice 14: There's one or two other things that have not been dealt with

[1:02:21] Voice 14: that I really just want to quick answer since you're here.

[1:02:24] Voice 14: And first of all, Brad, you have the slides, right?

[1:02:27] Voice 14: I will

[1:02:28] Voice 13: be posting

[1:02:29] Voice 13: them on our events.

[1:02:38] Voice 14: So there's two related issues that I just want to make sure. So we have been told in the past, and it sounds not to be true, like you just said, that outhouses, and I know the rules changed in the last year, but the outhouses, they're not something

[1:02:55] Voice 14: think that we could zone like that people could put them on their property um where they were so

[1:03:00] Voice 14: long as we have approved them in terms of like they're not harmed watercourses but my understanding

[1:03:06] Voice 14: is that changed in the last year or two that um now there's not supposed to be outhouses anywhere

[1:03:11] Voice 14: in dc unless they're like explicitly named by you yeah yeah so um because we had an issue that we

[1:03:18] Voice 14: followed up on up in north pender north side of north pender um where there was a outhouse put on

[1:03:25] Voice 14: a property it was said to be the sewer space for that property it was near a water like an open

[1:03:29] Voice 14: water body a pond and we couldn't do anything about it and so if we contact you directly about

[1:03:35] Voice 14: those types of issues they're actually now like problematic so is there any grandparenting about

[1:03:40] Voice 14: that or it doesn't matter because it's a health issue

[1:03:42] Voice 9: we can deal with it if

[1:03:44] Voice 13: you're afraid to

[1:03:45] Voice 13: a complaint to us we will look into it okay okay was there an issue with that not though that it

[1:03:52] Voice 13: was happening in the park what was it considered to be parks i

[1:03:55] Voice 14: mean no it was not that one i'm

[1:03:57] Voice 14: thinking about thinking about the property and it was there was a complaint by neighbors all

[1:04:01] Voice 14: around who couldn't do anything about it so so i just want to it's a happy thing

[1:04:10] Voice 14: yeah okay any other ones those are the big ones the gray water and the health thing i will dig

[1:04:17] Voice 14: into those links and provide them out to the community because we have a lot of community

[1:04:20] Voice 14: that really have a conflict with how gray water is handled but we will try to work through that

[1:04:26] Voice 14: we have a better system in the islands to deal with an issue for us these

[1:04:31] Voice 15: slides will be on the

[1:04:32] Voice 15: the website yeah terrific and

[1:04:34] Voice 13: if you have any questions beyond this uh because i know we have

[1:04:37] Voice 13: an appointment to hold up another business before we head off on the ferry um you know feel free to

[1:04:42] Voice 13: connect with us we're open to answering questions and if there's a bit too maybe there's more than

[1:04:48] Voice 13: one question you can send it to brad as a parking space of questions i'd be happy to provide all

[1:04:55] Voice 13: the answers and then forward it back to brad yeah

[1:04:58] Voice 14: that'd be great if you can cc us on any questions

[1:05:00] Voice 14: to ask is super helpful for us just to know what's going on thank you

[1:05:06] Voice 3: very much thank

[1:05:07] Voice 13: you thank you

[1:05:07] Voice 3: the

[1:05:08] Voice 13: presentation will be under the meetings event page under today's speech so the chat was posted

[1:05:13] Voice 13: there and then this is a situation thank you

[1:05:15] Voice 9: no i got it all thank you thank

[1:05:20] Voice 14: you very much thank you

[1:05:22] Voice 14: so i'm sorry about the time change but we didn't realize they had another appointment on the island

[1:05:27] Voice 14: So we had a flipped the script problem, and we didn't realize there was an issue, so

[1:05:32] Voice 14: So

[1:05:33] Voice 8: if anybody wants to speak generally speaking is too

[1:05:39] Voice 8: When you put your hand up if you give your name

[1:05:45] Voice 8: Okay

[1:05:57] Voice 11: thank you very very much uh good day to members of uh island trust and all of you present today

[1:06:04] Voice 11: my name is ide corbett and i'm here with my husband frank corbett we live at 4895 pirates

[1:06:10] Voice 11: road right beside the property 4801 pirates road uh this property is seeking the issuance

[1:06:17] Voice 11: of a temporary use uh permit um and i've got all the numbers one section seven pender island

[1:06:25] Voice 11: and council district plan three two two three two two six one um my husband and i are absolutely

[1:06:33] Voice 11: against this permit there are too many vacation rentals on this island we are starting to feel

[1:06:39] Voice 11: like strangers in our own house there have been too many vacation rentals on this island

[1:06:44] Voice 11: and i feel that this island is turning into a resort island but no regard for me permanent

[1:06:50] Voice 11: residents. It's just not right, not good for me permanent residents. The thing is that many of

[1:06:56] Voice 11: those visitors have no respect for our beautiful island. For example, we live across from the

[1:07:03] Voice 11: swimming pool. At the swimming pool, the garbage those people leave for others to get rid of is

[1:07:08] Voice 11: sickening. They need to be told to take it home and get rid of it. They need to be told to take

[1:07:16] Voice 11: get home and get rid of it when we moved here 23 years well that's what we did we came as

[1:07:21] Voice 11: weekenders for four years and then moved here in the last 20 years and

[1:07:25] Voice 2: um you know we took our

[1:07:26] Voice 2: signs but he told me i also heard that there were

[1:07:46] Voice 2: people camping out so uh i heard but i believe

[1:08:09] Voice 2: it's so it's not for somebody's

[1:08:12] Voice 11: lunch in the pizza box i live

[1:08:14] Voice 11: here on the ferry

[1:08:15] Voice 11: A reminder to those coming to visit to be respectful, which I thought was nice.

[1:08:22] Voice 11: Maybe a little bit more needs to be noted.

[1:08:28] Voice 11: Some other items that I wanted to mention, too many bicycles.

[1:08:32] Voice 11: They don't walk the road to let us pass.

[1:08:35] Voice 11: They don't use their signal, arm signals and scare the day that it's on.

[1:08:39] Voice 11: um the the helmets on uh lots of these no helmets on a lot of these bicyclers including i'm sure

[1:08:48] Voice 11: some locals uh maybe a sign that the fairies went out and they should use and stick with that

[1:08:54] Voice 11: and are these vacation rentals already here licensed and also are the bmbs

[1:09:02] Voice 11: which i don't have much of a problem with as much as i do with vacation rentals

[1:09:08] Voice 11: i'm concerned about our water usage with all the vacation rentals um the only other thing

[1:09:14] Voice 11: that i forgot to mention was uh the lines mentioned already whether the line is going

[1:09:21] Voice 11: to be painted on our clothes um that's all thanks for letting me voice my husband and

[1:09:26] Voice 11: my concerns about our beautiful island thank you very

[1:09:31] Voice 11: much thanks hi my name is carol cheese

[1:09:34] Voice 11: I,

[1:09:34] Voice 13: my husband and I, and he spoke at the last fall meeting, we bought our property in 1980.

[1:09:42] Voice 10: We moved here full time in 1998.

[1:09:45] Voice 10: We never expected to see a short-term vacation event go up beside us.

[1:09:50] Voice 10: We met the news and they came, had wine and goodies on our table and told us they were going to move here full time in September.

[1:09:58] Voice 10: They liked it so much.

[1:10:00] Voice 10: In the meantime, something has changed.

[1:10:02] Voice 10: I don't know what. They now have a property manager that she said she can control the noise.

[1:10:08] Voice 10: These short-term vacation managers, when they come, they do nothing to contribute to our items.

[1:10:13] Voice 10: They bring their own food. They don't volunteer.

[1:10:17] Voice 10: They bring traffic to them, and they go across the swimming hole.

[1:10:22] Voice 10: Elaine sees the track up across there. I see them go up there in bathing suits and back down.

[1:10:28] Voice 10: I'm totally against short-term vacation rental properties.

[1:10:32] Voice 10: they turned it into a commercial business and we decided

[1:10:36] Voice 12: it was to preserve and protect not

[1:10:39] Voice 12: short-term education rentals i don't understand why they're even considering it he told us at

[1:10:45] Voice 12: first that he wasn't um

[1:10:46] Voice 10: now lori told me the building manager that she was finished in

[1:10:52] Voice 10: september but i don't know what she is or not they have dangerous trees on their property

[1:10:57] Voice 10: which fell across our lines and really blocked us last winter and thankfully for us we were away

[1:11:03] Voice 10: we had good friends that came and cleared our driveway so we could get home i hired there to

[1:11:10] Voice 10: come and split those that big dangerous tree like this into rounds and then it rearranged it was

[1:11:16] Voice 10: come and split all that wood and take it away they still have dangerous trees there that are

[1:11:22] Voice 10: going to fall on our property they're doing nothing about it and they don't even know where

[1:11:26] Voice 10: their property lines are

[1:11:28] Voice 13: so i'm totally against short-term vacation rentals

[1:11:32] Voice 11: yeah one more thing

[1:11:34] Voice 11: that vacation rental at 4801 uh should not be 4801 i live at 48.95 and that vacation rental

[1:11:45] Voice 11: law application is 4801 it should be 4901 yeah because you're 4905

[1:11:54] Voice 11: but

[1:11:55] Voice 8: but that's it that's we're going way off topic but addressing is done by your fire department

[1:12:01] Voice 8: whatever the legal address is it's legal addressing you you can't play with numbers

[1:12:07] Voice 8: no so if they've been assigned that by your fire department that's the number because that's your

[1:12:11] Voice 8: name. Anybody else? Sir, over to the side.

[1:12:18] Voice 2: I'm speaking to the letter you received from the

[1:12:24] Voice 2: quality stewards on September

[1:12:27] Voice 13: 27th

[1:12:28] Voice 13: regarding the Rattling Heavens SGBA violation

[1:12:32] Voice 13: at 4815 Spindle Way, North Canterbury.

[1:12:37] Voice 13: In consideration of the time, I will not be able to repeat all

[1:12:40] Voice 13: the research and details of this sort of research behind what I'm saying. In short, the estimates

[1:12:49] Voice 13: for remediation inquiries that are included in the quote are unrealistically low. We urge you

[1:12:56] Voice 13: to request that staff obtain an informed and realistic estimation which certifies the

[1:13:02] Voice 13: landscaping and excavation patterns that could briefly be retained by the Islands Trust to

[1:13:09] Voice 13: complete prescribed remediation work on this problem even if the

[1:13:15] Voice 13: decision on the issues

[1:13:16] Voice 13: for the remediation work is

[1:13:19] Voice 2: not made in september

[1:13:21] Voice 2: this is the most work prior to making a decision thanks for your consideration

[1:13:51] Voice 13: thank you

[1:13:53] Voice 2: anybody else we should be certain

[1:13:55] Voice 13: yeah um uh i have property in uh valley lake states

[1:14:04] Voice 13: uh property on i've

[1:14:05] Voice 4: spent a long time in victoria dealing with water issues so i'd just like to make

[1:14:13] Voice 4: a brief introduction statement and then the question to the trust is um last weekend i

[1:14:20] Voice 4: attended the bc lake stewardship society annual meeting and one of the speakers said we're moving

[1:14:27] Voice 4: into aqua aqua water water incognito so i understand the land use planning

[1:14:37] Voice 4: etc but it is intricately connected to water

[1:14:40] Voice 13: management um the the question

[1:14:45] Voice 4: i have is really

[1:14:46] Voice 13: there is

[1:14:48] Voice 13: been a proposed

[1:14:50] Voice 13: water committee

[1:14:51] Voice 13: an advisory committee

[1:14:53] Voice 13: so I wondered how

[1:14:57] Voice 13: creating such a committee

[1:14:59] Voice 4: is coming along and whether the

[1:15:01] Voice 4: very few water districts

[1:15:03] Voice 4: we have here have been approached

[1:15:05] Voice 4: to provide

[1:15:06] Voice 4: a representative to the

[1:15:09] Voice 4: proposed

[1:15:09] Voice 4: water committee. Finally

[1:15:13] Voice 4: just playing off your

[1:15:15] Voice 4: introductory comments but thank

[1:15:17] Voice 4: you. On governance, it just struck me that the Municipal Affairs Ministry has been very

[1:15:24] Voice 4: hands-off in terms of the Alliance Trust, okay. I deal with five levels of government,

[1:15:31] Voice 4: but with the volunteer work I do. It seems to me when you have the meeting with a minister,

[1:15:37] Voice 4: you need an advocate within the Ministry of Municipal Affairs to tie you into

[1:15:45] Voice 4: to environment, stewardship, forests.

[1:15:49] Voice 4: You're dealing with all of these entities yourself.

[1:15:54] Voice 4: Well, if you had it streamlined

[1:15:56] Voice 4: through a provincial ministry,

[1:15:59] Voice 4: presumably you would at least have the contacts

[1:16:01] Voice 4: with the other provincial ministries, highways,

[1:16:04] Voice 4: you might actually get somewhere.

[1:16:06] Voice 4: So there's a suggestion for governance.

[1:16:09] Voice 4: And if you want a bit more free advice,

[1:16:16] Voice 13: I have endless experience in doing that. Thank you.

[1:16:21] Voice 8: Thank you for your last point. I'll point out that with the Isles Trust mandate,

[1:16:28] Voice 8: it says in cooperation with, and I believe on the Isles Trust, we really do a good job of reaching

[1:16:37] Voice 8: out the reciprocal stuff doesn't happen and that's where exactly to your point but i think

[1:16:43] Voice 4: there are some ways to come yeah

[1:16:45] Voice 14: i agree planner

[1:16:46] Voice 8: smith i think has some comments on the water and

[1:16:48] Voice 8: the things

[1:16:48] Voice 4: so with respect to the special of the advisory planning committee that the local trust

[1:16:53] Voice 4: committee is seeking to uh establish the advertisement is still current it's uh open

[1:16:59] Voice 4: until october 27th there have been a number of applications and uh the local trust committee will

[1:17:06] Voice 4: will have those applications in front of them for consideration at the November meeting.

[1:17:11] Voice 4: So after the November meeting, they can appoint their solution at

[1:17:15] Voice 4: the end of November, that

[1:17:21] Voice 4: committee will be in place and then the scope of that committee will, consistent with the

[1:17:29] Voice 4: Local Government Act, the scope is what the Local Trust Committee refers to them, what

[1:17:35] Voice 4: what they can actually digest.

[1:17:38] Voice 4: So then the local trust committee can turn their mind

[1:17:41] Voice 4: to what they're asking that committee to.

[1:17:43] Voice 4: So

[1:17:43] Voice 14: just to be clear about that,

[1:17:45] Voice 14: it's not a water committee.

[1:17:47] Voice 14: Like we decided to approach it slightly differently.

[1:17:50] Voice 14: So it is the APC, the Advisory Planning Committee,

[1:17:53] Voice 14: but in the advertisement,

[1:17:54] Voice 14: we stress that our focus this term

[1:17:56] Voice 14: is on the intersection of housing

[1:17:59] Voice 14: and water sustainability issues.

[1:18:01] Voice 14: Like, so that we really want people,

[1:18:03] Voice 14: because a general apc call is difficult for people to be like why would i bother so but we wanted to

[1:18:09] Voice 14: focus people on the fact that we're actually looking at that planning function with water

[1:18:13] Voice 14: in mind and so we're taking all the data that we've worked on in the last couple years around

[1:18:17] Voice 14: water sustainability with that so we really but i like your idea that maybe you should do a direct

[1:18:22] Voice 14: outreach to the water conservation districts too just to make sure that they know that that

[1:18:26] Voice 14: calls out there i put it in the last kind of post the actual problem so

[1:18:30] Voice 8: it's there right thank you

[1:18:33] Voice 8: anybody else we should speak in

[1:18:36] Voice 12: your

[1:18:37] Voice 3: preview but um

[1:18:41] Voice 12: properties

[1:18:41] Voice 13: association is doing a survey

[1:18:43] Voice 9: for a variety of

[1:18:46] Voice 9: questions regarding you know our health care system fire departments all these services that

[1:18:56] Voice 9: are we all depend on it um i'm not sure if you know about this or not whether they're trying

[1:19:04] Voice 9: to be my district or municipality i'm

[1:19:06] Voice 13: not going to show what the end plan is um as a person who

[1:19:11] Voice 13: doesn't live in magic lake i'm rather concerned that one section of our island is speaking for

[1:19:17] Voice 13: all of us so i'm not sure yeah so

[1:19:21] Voice 14: that is a study that the magic lake homeowners association board

[1:19:25] Voice 14: board asked the CRD to instigate, to study the idea of, I don't know if it technically

[1:19:34] Voice 14: is municipality, but basically that municipal kind of governance models.

[1:19:38] Voice 14: So they went ahead and proposed that sometime last year, it was voted on in the beginning

[1:19:43] Voice 14: of this year.

[1:19:44] Voice 14: And I actually attended the meeting where there was an initial discussion of that, of

[1:19:47] Voice 14: the Magic Lake Memorandum Association.

[1:19:48] Voice 14: Association. That is the functionality of that is asked through the CRD, not through the Islands

[1:19:55] Voice 14: Trust, because the CRD is the regional district that is responsible. So they agreed to look at,

[1:20:00] Voice 14: to do a study of it. And I believe the survey you're talking about is actually listed on the

[1:20:05] Voice 14: CRD website, asking about a range of things that CRD included kind of the kitchen sink in the

[1:20:10] Voice 14: survey. So it's a lot of different things. Technically speaking, that survey is for every

[1:20:15] Voice 14: island resident is and you click whether you are a resident of magic lake to kind of

[1:20:21] Voice 14: more specific to magic lake um i will put the link for that in the next post

[1:20:26] Voice 14: and make sure that i was just made aware of that survey actually like yesterday

[1:20:31] Voice 14: i knew

[1:20:32] Voice 13: about the survey i didn't realize

[1:20:37] Voice 14: yeah because it does affect our task space and the services and there's some

[1:20:44] Voice 14: telescoping kind of implications for that and it's a long kind of process to go through but

[1:20:50] Voice 14: and there would be a referendum before anything got to that point it's unclear to me if the

[1:20:54] Voice 14: referendum would just be for magic lake or which would be for the entire island so that is something

[1:20:59] Voice 1: i

[1:20:59] Voice 14: encourage you to write to paul rent about because he's the one who's currently in charge

[1:21:03] Voice 14: of controlling that kind of conversation um at the crd because

[1:21:07] Voice 8: we this whole custody really

[1:21:09] Voice 8: hasn't had any interaction with that

[1:21:12] Voice 14: well no that's not totally true so the the magic lake

[1:21:17] Voice 14: homeowners association has sent us emails at different times so

[1:21:20] Voice 14: bob colson and i have sat

[1:21:22] Voice 14: down and talked to them last year about it um and i know they sent letters related to our bylaw

[1:21:27] Voice 14: work and so we've we've had conversations with them about it um but really maybe one of the

[1:21:32] Voice 14: things we should do is invite them officially into that conversation here so we can have a little bit

[1:21:37] Voice 14: have a whole conversation but

[1:21:39] Voice 8: so but officially

[1:21:40] Voice 14: at a healthy level

[1:21:41] Voice 8: we haven't said yes no maybe

[1:21:43] Voice 8: we

[1:21:44] Voice 10: don't get ashamed no

[1:21:45] Voice 8: oh yes just to be clear yeah

[1:21:46] Voice 10: i have a comment just your name

[1:21:50] Voice 10: thank you i

[1:21:52] Voice 10: have a comment and then a question uh for both surrounding the blue application

[1:21:59] Voice 10: New York recently

[1:22:01] Voice 10: passed a bylaw

[1:22:03] Voice 10: of buying Airbnbs

[1:22:05] Voice 10: to acknowledge

[1:22:07] Voice 10: that Airbnbs and other

[1:22:09] Voice 10: short-term rentals

[1:22:11] Voice 10: affect the social health of communities

[1:22:13] Voice 10: and I think we've seen that here

[1:22:17] if

[1:22:18] Voice 9: the WHO application

[1:22:19] Voice 10: goes ahead

[1:22:20] Voice 10: I think it would be

[1:22:22] Voice 10: foolhardy to allow 11

[1:22:24] Voice 10: people

[1:22:25] Voice 13: in that house when you have so

[1:22:26] Voice 13: many neighbors concerned

[1:22:28] Voice 13: about it

[1:22:29] Voice 13: and you could also insist on fencing i tried to insist on fencing and vacation

[1:22:36] Voice 13: rental from my house and

[1:22:39] Voice 10: i've been fighting that even though it's in their permit for five years

[1:22:44] Voice 10: now and they still have nothing when

[1:22:47] Voice 9: the question is um when

[1:22:52] Voice 2: are we going to see business permits

[1:22:55] Voice 2: that's for sgbrs is there anything discussed

[1:23:05] Voice 9: and with

[1:23:06] Voice 4: respect to business licensing yeah the stress doesn't have the authority to

[1:23:13] Voice 4: create

[1:23:14] Voice 13: business licenses so no

[1:23:15] Voice 14: but the product was going to change

[1:23:17] Voice 14: so the trust we've reached out to the crd which would be the licensing body and they're i mean

[1:23:24] Voice 14: interested in doing licensing for short-term vacation rentals.

[1:23:29] Voice 14: So the only way for us to think about that, and frankly, I feel like the

[1:23:32] Voice 14: STVR licensing process on Lender has been a great project to just

[1:23:36] Voice 14: explore. It's been in place since I started my term.

[1:23:40] Voice 14: We did the fourth reading or whatever it was on it. It was the prior term's work.

[1:23:44] Voice 14: So it started in whatever that is, 2018. This type of licensing,

[1:23:48] Voice 14: there are two types of STVR licensing, which I think people

[1:23:52] Voice 14: get a little bit confused about one is this kind which is um the owner is not on the property at

[1:23:59] Voice 14: the moment the stvr is being rented right and then there is like a home-based business version of stvr

[1:24:05] Voice 14: where you live on the property and you rent your room you don't actually have to apply to us for a

[1:24:08] Voice 14: permit to do that that's your thing right um so for the and in both cases like if you live on the

[1:24:16] Voice 14: property and you're renting out a room how is that not near b and b and how do you not need a license

[1:24:20] Voice 14: so that's a question for the crd frankly like around that and we have to think about our bylaws

[1:24:25] Voice 14: do they limit or like we push that to the crd for licensing there's some aspect of that in there

[1:24:30] Voice 14: the for this stvr licensing that we have here um in this new sbr regulation that is more about when

[1:24:38] Voice 14: there's no owner on property um to be renting and that's a little bit more of as well or it's not

[1:24:44] Voice 14: the same building i think it's the world um so and that's where we're getting more of the questions

[1:24:52] Voice 9: I

[1:24:53] Voice 13: think it's important to note too that when people are talking about STVRs or HAB, there's

[1:25:02] Voice 13: only been 12, 11 permits given out for STVRs.

[1:25:08] Voice 13: Part of the idea behind considering these applications is to know who it is that has

[1:25:15] Voice 13: as sort of a legal STVR,

[1:25:20] Voice 13: and then we can also try to enforce

[1:25:24] Voice 13: against people that have an illegal STVR.

[1:25:28] Voice 13: So there's a number of emails that we get

[1:25:31] Voice 13: over the course of a month or two in between meetings

[1:25:34] Voice 13: where there's files that have been opened

[1:25:37] Voice 13: or STVRs that have made no application.

[1:25:41] Voice 13: And so, going through this process and hearing from the public, being able to consider where

[1:25:53] Voice 13: the placement of these are, but also get an idea of who it is that has them open so that

[1:26:00] Voice 13: we can find out who it is that does.

[1:26:02] Voice 13: And so, it's the beginning of a process that started last term, and I actually think that

[1:26:09] Voice 13: when you look at what's going on in other islands and you see the numbers that are put forward for

[1:26:17] Voice 13: places like Bowen, Denman I think has had some issues with them, Hornby has had some.

[1:26:25] Voice 13: We actually have very, very few when it comes down to it. Even if you take the illegal and

[1:26:31] Voice 13: and not only did some of these islands have over 150 XTBR.

[1:26:42] Voice 13: So while we understand the concern locally about it,

[1:26:48] Voice 13: I actually think that Pender has done a good job historically

[1:26:52] Voice 13: and is taking a really good look at it going forward.

[1:26:55] Voice 13: So just so that people know,

[1:26:58] Voice 13: it's not quite as wild west as it seems.

[1:27:02] Voice 13: um from the outside and to for the

[1:27:05] Voice 14: issue that you raised too if you have an issue where you

[1:27:08] Voice 14: have an existing permit or you want to see a permit to like you have an svr you can let us

[1:27:13] Voice 14: know like we can help you get in touch with the planner like connect and understand what the

[1:27:18] Voice 14: current is if the conditions of the permit are not being met we actually should get a

[1:27:22] Voice 14: bio-enforcement file going because we should be correcting that um and if i see a permit come up

[1:27:27] Voice 14: and that's for any kind of temporary use permit right so if i see a permit come up where the

[1:27:32] Voice 14: conditions of the prior permit were not met i am not going to want to renew that permit ever

[1:27:35] Voice 14: like so because the the idea of a temporary use permit is a contract with the community

[1:27:41] Voice 14: about what you agree to do what we decided to do together and if you are reaching that contract

[1:27:46] Voice 14: you're not looking out for the community right so that's our job to like study so we should know

[1:27:51] Voice 14: about that one and make sure to get it on the ground well

[1:27:54] Voice 12: i did make a complaint about a lot

[1:27:56] Voice 12: they considered the daphne that was growing a lot down the west property line an appropriate

[1:28:04] Voice 14: vegetative screen so shoot me an email about that and then finally

[1:28:10] Voice 10: with the group property

[1:28:11] Voice 10: i would like to see that they're limited to 30 days between the may

[1:28:16] Voice 2: september region

[1:28:17] Voice 2: Thank you. Anybody else? Julia Nichols, North Penn Island. At

[1:28:35] Voice 12: our last LTC, I was told that

[1:28:37] Voice 12: there is action being taken about the problem with the broken DPA, and it's been put before

[1:28:43] Voice 12: us. And I'd like to thank you for taking that action. When I asked

[1:28:49] Voice 12: to see the report that

[1:28:50] Voice 12: was sent to the crown council i was told that it was confidential and i'm wondering confidential to

[1:28:57] Voice 12: who i have asked several trustees that the trust council meeting about this and they informed me

[1:29:04] Voice 12: that trustees actually can see the reports that are sent to crown council is that correct i don't

[1:29:13] Voice 12: know that i've seen it so

[1:29:15] Voice 14: that's interesting that we can see it because i don't i don't know that i

[1:29:19] Voice 14: Do you know are

[1:29:21] Voice 13: you like asking would they have access to those reports? So?

[1:29:27] Voice 12: Mr. Neyman sent a report and he told me it's confidential

[1:29:33] Voice 12: Confidential maybe to the public, but is it not can trustees see that?

[1:29:38] Voice 12: And I've been told by other trustees who said of course the trustees have to do that

[1:29:44] Voice 12: the

[1:29:44] Voice 13: trustees could be privy to that if they requested and they would have to do that okay

[1:29:47] Voice 13: okay

[1:29:48] Voice 3: we will do that okay so um

[1:29:52] Voice 3: i'm sorry

[1:29:54] Voice 12: um

[1:30:00] Voice 12: the store uh so the trustees you're not you they can't see the report and my next question was have

[1:30:09] Voice 12: they seen the report and the answer i understand is no because they haven't asked but they could

[1:30:17] Voice 12: ask please ask my concern is that the report of 4815 schooner property scribes the perpetrators

[1:30:28] Voice 12: of the DPA as

[1:30:30] Voice 12: people who did not realize

[1:30:32] Voice 12: they had broken the DPA and that

[1:30:34] Voice 12: they are very cooperative.

[1:30:36] Voice 12: In the last meeting, Elizabeth

[1:30:38] Voice 12: Miles from the

[1:30:40] Voice 12: Conservatory presented a list

[1:30:42] Voice 12: of further ongoing

[1:30:44] Voice 12: infractions that show

[1:30:46] Voice 12: a very different picture.

[1:30:49] Voice 12: Is this in the report

[1:30:50] Voice 12: to the Crown Council?

[1:30:53] Voice 12: If it isn't,

[1:30:54] Voice 12: can you make sure that this gets

[1:30:56] Voice 12: corrected? She gave

[1:30:58] Voice 12: a very specific list of things that they have done since they were asked not to do it um i

[1:31:05] Voice 12: may get into it that's in her report but please this is that look at it and make sure that the

[1:31:12] Voice 12: crown council understands uh the true picture of what's going on here thank

[1:31:20] Voice 13: you okay one more

[1:31:24] Voice 13: uh

[1:31:24] Voice 12: it's on a different topic

[1:31:26] Voice 13: i'm

[1:31:28] Voice 12: sorry if i've heard anybody at the beginning about

[1:31:31] Voice 12: uh the presentation here um i understand sometimes things come up and it puts everybody

[1:31:41] Voice 12: not and that the things that were covered i i believe that there are people here that

[1:31:48] Voice 12: were very interested in it and i wouldn't want to take that away there are issues

[1:31:53] Voice 12: there that are are very important.

[1:31:55] Voice 12: I think the presentation was extremely long.

[1:32:00] Voice 12: It could have been edited.

[1:32:02] Voice 12: It could have been five minutes and then we could have gone on to the issues that we have.

[1:32:10] Voice 12: And just sorry if I stepped on anybody's toes.

[1:32:14] Voice 12: I do that a lot.

[1:32:19] Voice 12: I was at the LTC, the trust council, and talked to a lot of, had a wonderful opportunity to talk

[1:32:29] to incredible trustees who are new to the job and are totally

[1:32:35] Voice 12: overwhelmed. And there is,

[1:32:39] Voice 12: I went to the beginning of the executive council where they were discussing

[1:32:44] discussing a lot

[1:32:46] Voice 12: of it was an eye-opener they were discussing the extent of the meetings that

[1:32:50] Voice 12: they go to and how they can uh that the barrage of information coming down at the there's something

[1:33:00] Voice 12: like 400 pages the trustees are given and in that is uh more than you can read and some of it's

[1:33:08] Voice 12: really important and trustees can't tell what's important what's not and it

[1:33:12] Voice 12: is very difficult

[1:33:14] Voice 12: I don't want to come down on you because there's a lot of also people patting themselves on the

[1:33:28] Voice 12: back the staff doing a great job and everything else and there's also a sense that the staff is

[1:33:34] Voice 12: getting in the way of real work being done there's too much staff there's too much memos to staff

[1:33:42] Voice 12: that there's too much work collecting and forcing the low-hanging fruit,

[1:33:49] Voice 12: the easy-to-protect things,

[1:33:52] Voice 12: while the big things that we need protecting are not happening.

[1:33:57] Voice 12: So we have a problem.

[1:33:59] Voice 12: And I just want to say that I'm going on too long.

[1:34:04] Voice 12: And I don't want to do this.

[1:34:06] Voice 12: Thank you for all you're doing, but we do have big problems,

[1:34:09] Voice 12: And I would like to make sure and do anything that I can to help preserve, protect, and get back to the mandate we're here to meet.

[1:34:19] Voice 8: Thank you. My only question I would give you is I would suggest the impediment with staff right now is we don't have enough.

[1:34:27] Voice 8: We try and do things, and oftentimes what we're told, we just don't have the capacity to do it.

[1:34:33] Voice 8: and so it's it's like we have some wonderful wonderful staff but we work them to the bone

[1:34:39] and and you know it is i'm so thankful like i work with many planners up and down the system

[1:34:46] Voice 8: and the emails i get on a saturday night you know they're supposed to be there with their

[1:34:51] Voice 8: family and all that and they're going well there's a meeting monday there's something i

[1:34:54] Voice 8: got to tell you so they're very very dedicated and a lot of effort to what we do so we try our

[1:35:01] Voice 8: best yeah

[1:35:02] Voice 12: i appreciate that and i was also in a school system where my kids were in one system

[1:35:10] Voice 12: and i worked in the other and it's a very small district and the district that i worked for

[1:35:16] Voice 12: had one person doing a job you could go and get an answer the other district was an older district

[1:35:23] Voice 12: and food and in order to get anything done i went to eight different people and they were all

[1:35:32] Voice 12: telling me to go back and forth between them and that can be a problem when you have a lot of people

[1:35:39] Voice 12: sending emails to each other and they might be trying to do a good job but they don't get to the

[1:35:46] Voice 12: word we're

[1:35:47] Voice 8: not there yet um

[1:35:48] Voice 14: i i have to balance your statement it's not and i would never dis

[1:35:52] Voice 14: staff directly but i do this the bureaucracy more generally and like and we'll we can talk about this

[1:36:00] Voice 14: at infinitum if you want coffee with me and anything so because um i was one of the original

[1:36:05] Voice 14: authors on that the notion that eventually led to the governance report that is like working

[1:36:10] Voice 14: through like how we are as an organization because i do feel like we're getting caught in minutia in

[1:36:15] Voice 14: ways that we're not actually dealing with big things and we're getting too much um stuff going

[1:36:20] Voice 14: on so that is a complex issue that's being like dealt with internally in the structure i would

[1:36:26] Voice 14: like to see it dealt with but i would not put that on staff i mean put that on your trust right now

[1:36:33] Voice 14: thank you anybody

[1:36:34] Voice 10: else my name is judy walker and um i've lived here for 38 years i live right next

[1:36:43] Voice 10: store here on the wooded property. I can't sit here and not say anything about the lack of

[1:36:52] Voice 10: logging practice, control on logging practices here. It terrifies me that we have a DPA on a

[1:37:01] Voice 10: small fraction of our property. Quite honestly, I don't know exactly where it is

[1:37:10] Voice 10: because I haven't really investigated it.

[1:37:13] Voice 10: I haven't taken that responsibility to do that.

[1:37:17] Voice 10: But if we should ever sell that property,

[1:37:20] Voice 10: my huge fear is that someone would come in

[1:37:23] Voice 10: and do what they did next to Andy Nowak's property,

[1:37:27] Voice 10: just wiped it out, wiped it out.

[1:37:31] Voice 10: We live on a 20-foot dug well.

[1:37:34] Voice 10: We have two ponds and a smaller one that fills during the winter.

[1:37:40] Voice 10: But that probably depends on that water.

[1:37:44] Voice 10: I am so frustrated with the fact that the trustees over time, over the last 30 years that I've been coming to trust meetings,

[1:37:55] Voice 10: I quit after a period of time over development things because I couldn't stand it anymore,

[1:38:01] Voice 10: that we have not been able to come up with a solution to control clear cutting here

[1:38:10] Voice 10: or the devastation that happened on sooner way it is ridiculous and i understand that

[1:38:19] Voice 10: the former trust council requested the province to look at this new trustees were elected

[1:38:30] Voice 10: did one particularly from

[1:38:31] Voice 10: South Spring. I don't know if this

[1:38:34] Voice 10: is right. I'm just telling you what I've

[1:38:35] Voice 10: been told. I decided

[1:38:37] Voice 10: that

[1:38:39] Voice 10: this was not a good idea

[1:38:42] Voice 10: and asked the Trust Council to resend

[1:38:44] Voice 10: that application or however

[1:38:45] Voice 10: it's presented to the

[1:38:47] Voice 10: province to resend

[1:38:49] Voice 10: that. Well, why?

[1:38:52] Voice 10: Why? Why would the

[1:38:54] Voice 10: Trust Council turn that

[1:38:55] Voice 10: down? That is

[1:38:57] Voice 10: insanity.

[1:38:58] Voice 10: sanity that's all i have to say thank you

[1:39:02] Voice 14: i did write that up again jd this trust council

[1:39:06] Voice 14: of like because i named properties that you're a pender given that we're here for trust council

[1:39:12] Voice 14: and that the you know having rescinded that request from the province that that's what

[1:39:19] Voice 14: we're left with here like we're left with these situations because we're not saying

[1:39:23] Voice 14: the ask was not to cut not cut to have like ginger rolls the ask was to have local control of how we

[1:39:30] Voice 14: decide those things yes and that was very convoluted in how i thought presented um and

[1:39:37] Voice 14: the reason that was given for revoking it was that um there was if i and feel free to correct

[1:39:43] Voice 14: me but the reason it was given was that um it wouldn't be successful so therefore we should

[1:39:55] Voice 14: so having said that i did i did some research related to the galliano um dpa that went in

[1:40:02] Voice 14: the galliano dpa is i've been waiting to see if it was enforceable because i didn't want to

[1:40:06] Voice 14: duplicate something that wasn't enforceable and the legal statement is that it is enforceable

[1:40:11] Voice 14: so it's something that we might want to consider here so i've been waiting to see how that played

[1:40:16] Voice 14: out our galley out before we spent time and energy i

[1:40:19] Voice 13: don't think that it wasn't going to go anywhere

[1:40:24] Voice 13: it's that i know i know for myself right now that there is a frustration with um

[1:40:36] Voice 13: the president made a lot of rules about things so they don't actually have the ability to do anything

[1:40:44] Voice 13: and it

[1:40:45] Voice 13: makes you a bit of a laughing stock when you tell somebody you're not allowed to do this

[1:40:49] Voice 13: and they do it anyhow and you come back and you come back to the person and you ask why why did

[1:40:54] Voice 13: they do that because it could have yeah because you can't stop me from doing it and i think that

[1:40:59] Voice 13: in the trust getting on the back on track to actually preserve and protect have the preserve

[1:41:08] Voice 13: and protect mandate that it's supposed to have and we had a big discussion about the section three

[1:41:14] Voice 13: part of what

[1:41:16] Voice 13: defining what that mandate is

[1:41:18] Voice 13: at Crest Townsville in the last three days

[1:41:22] Voice 13: is

[1:41:25] Voice 13: actually having

[1:41:26] Voice 13: some teeth behind what it is that you do

[1:41:29] Voice 13: and

[1:41:30] Voice 13: I think the majority of the people

[1:41:32] Voice 13: that were in the room during that vote

[1:41:34] Voice 13: looked at it as

[1:41:37] Voice 13: asking for another

[1:41:39] Voice 13: thing that they can't actually do

[1:41:41] Voice 13: anything about until they start

[1:41:43] Voice 13: to get some of the other ducks in the road

[1:41:44] Voice 13: And knowing that this DPA for Galliano has actually been walked through and proven, then starts it on the right track to putting something in place.

[1:41:59] Voice 13: Finding out how and what we're able to do about enforcement needs to come at the same time that a bylaw gets made, so that we actually know that we can do something about it, that we can actually enforce it.

[1:42:14] Voice 13: we've had to say the report yeah we've just got um both access to the gallery on a legal decision

[1:42:23] Voice 13: we've had a report from a buds person that went through all kinds of things as far as our

[1:42:28] Voice 13: enforcement is concerned and started to lay out changes that need to be made in order to be on

[1:42:34] Voice 13: the right track as we move forward and so that made that

[1:42:39] Voice 10: it's so tedious but i'm doing yeah

[1:42:41] Voice 10: that makes sense to me one idea i have which i'll throw out is that is it possible to for the trust

[1:42:53] Voice 10: to demand a document being presented by the real estate people to a potential buyer stating that

[1:43:02] Voice 10: this property has a dpa on it and this is what's involved yeah because um information falls through

[1:43:12] Voice 10: the cracks or people get swept away they're buying a new piece of property and oh isn't

[1:43:19] Voice 10: it wonderful without understanding the limitations of that problem or what they trust i

[1:43:25] Voice 8: think we can

[1:43:25] Voice 8: ask about our steps like when somebody gets an EPA is it like a covenant is it on title like

[1:43:31] Voice 8: how when

[1:43:32] Voice 13: where does that

[1:43:33] Voice 8: space what's the status in the world

[1:43:35] Voice 13: it's a permit

[1:43:43] Voice 13: is that that

[1:43:48] Voice 8: was part of the issue about the property we all talk about

[1:43:52] Voice 8: what was was it it seems that the the realtor didn't impart the knowledge exactly

[1:44:00] Voice 9: yeah it

[1:44:01] Voice 15: should be possible for the local trust committee to ensure that buyers of

[1:44:07] Voice 15: properties are made aware of like just a one pager of this this property you're buying

[1:44:13] Voice 15: except they could all get that information before they close like you could fill that gap like

[1:44:19] Voice 15: tomorrow yeah

[1:44:21] Voice 10: and all they have to do is sign it i understand but

[1:44:24] Voice 8: i think there's going to be a

[1:44:25] Voice 8: mechanism because there would have to be a like every time somebody lists something for sale they

[1:44:31] Voice 8: would have to interface with the trust to go is there dpa on this property or not and get the

[1:44:36] Voice 8: information back no

[1:44:37] Voice 14: we can do a much more generic move or like what i think you're talking about is

[1:44:41] Voice 14: like you you have to acknowledge that you know you're in the trust area that this is the website

[1:44:46] Voice 14: decided to go check that you're a dpa or not like just an acknowledgement letter yeah so some

[1:44:51] Voice 14: realtors provide a full package of like all those maps and they do the work the realtor does the

[1:44:56] Voice 14: work to like provide that i've seen that um and was really impressed with the realtors that are

[1:45:01] Voice 14: doing it but it is

[1:45:03] Voice 2: not a requirement right

[1:45:26] Voice 2: whether

[1:45:27] Voice 13: the property that you were selling was lined up the way that it was supposed to be and

[1:45:31] Voice 13: And I had one in Calgary when I was younger

[1:45:34] Voice 13: for the fence that had been built

[1:45:35] Voice 13: to be over the property line.

[1:45:37] And that was identified before it was built.

[1:45:42] It doesn't seem like that information comes out anymore

[1:45:45] where you get an actual sort of legal title

[1:45:48] Voice 13: with a DPA drawn on the corner of it.

[1:45:52] Voice 13: This corner of your property has a DPA.

[1:45:54] Voice 13: And I don't know why that information

[1:45:56] Voice 13: seems to not come forward.

[1:45:58] Voice 10: Well,

[1:45:58] Voice 13: DPAs are a lot of them, right?

[1:46:02] Voice 10: just to follow up on that um a dpa the dpas were done from satellite images

[1:46:15] Voice 10: yes we have to show if there's you know if the landowner doesn't understand why there's a dpa

[1:46:23] Voice 10: there then that has to be clarified somehow because maybe the satellite misread it you have

[1:46:29] Voice 10: to walk the property and make sure there's a cliff there or there are trees there and whatever.

[1:46:34] Voice 10: I think my perspective actually didn't put on that. Lots

[1:46:37] Voice 4: of stuff there. So with respect to

[1:46:40] Voice 4: DPAs that are from satellite, satellite imagery is one tool that's used to identify DPAs. There's

[1:46:48] Voice 4: all sorts of DPAs with respect to the property of Chukwunawe where that was not, that was identified

[1:46:55] Voice 4: by a biologist, by a local lab biologist, and those sites were identified as nests,

[1:47:00] Voice 13: and hip-hop ferries were created around them. Those two PAOs exist, and the issue there

[1:47:06] Voice 13: obviously is that they are an unalterized tree, so that's, but there's all sorts of other ways that

[1:47:17] Voice 13: that permit area is not created and established.

[1:47:21] Voice 13: So the issue is

[1:47:23] Voice 13: not that the zone is there or not there.

[1:47:26] Voice 13: It's that I'm not sure that's true.

[1:47:31] Voice 11: Just a question.

[1:47:33] Voice 11: Is there not a duty of the seller to disclose

[1:47:35] Voice 11: that there are certain conditions to their property?

[1:47:38] Voice 11: That's really true.

[1:47:40] Voice 11: Farms don't sell.

[1:47:41] Voice 11: Some of them do.

[1:47:42] Voice 11: They disclose everything.

[1:47:44] Voice 11: Put your property before you sell it.

[1:47:45] Voice 11: yeah

[1:47:46] Voice 14: but it's island stress is not listed almost specifically but it should be under other people

[1:47:51] Voice 14: just don't think to put it under that even current owners and we're working around like raising

[1:47:55] Voice 14: awareness in that kind of thing especially locally here um that the mapping issue that you're naming

[1:48:01] Voice 14: and the communications issue generally are they are on deck they have been acknowledged as massive

[1:48:06] Voice 14: problems in terms of the governance and awareness and the trust so they are on deck as things were

[1:48:12] Voice 14: we're working more systematically to deal with.

[1:48:16] Voice 14: Mapping in particular, like GIS,

[1:48:18] Voice 14: like my active system is on,

[1:48:20] Voice 14: it was in conversation this time

[1:48:21] Voice 14: and we're trying to figure that out.

[1:48:24] Voice 13: So you do have a follow up actual item

[1:48:26] Voice 13: with respect to

[1:48:27] Voice 4: your previous meeting.

[1:48:29] Voice 4: You asked, or one of your previous meetings,

[1:48:31] Voice 4: you asked about brochures

[1:48:32] Voice 4: and about setting up a meeting with landowners.

[1:48:35] Voice 4: So Robert has, or you know,

[1:48:37] Voice 4: Kojima has filed that starting information.

[1:48:42] Voice 4: might not see there being a mechanism where you could require realtors to

[1:48:46] Voice 4: send information now you can ask realtors uh the local dockside realty has asked me to give them

[1:48:52] Voice 4: an october 18th they've also

[1:48:53] Voice 13: i've also invited them to the october so your local realtors are

[1:48:58] Voice 13: interested in yeah just trying to do the right thing trying to demonstrate that uh but you know

[1:49:05] Voice 13: you're trying to manage also research from all over the world that they're looking at these

[1:49:08] Voice 13: property so i think you could create some kind of voluntary yeah i

[1:49:15] Voice 8: think that that's part of the

[1:49:16] Voice 8: issue is that realtors are from everywhere so so when some of this property is not necessarily

[1:49:22] Voice 8: i don't think we have we have a commercial property

[1:49:27] i think when it goes back it's like that good realtor who's based on alcohol

[1:49:32] off so

[1:49:33] Voice 8: you know it's so to impart the information is difficult um so i i think we've got a lot of

[1:49:41] Voice 8: input here and i think we've got some thinking to do yeah

[1:49:44] Voice 14: i sent some of these questions off

[1:49:46] Voice 14: to our legislative um person to ask about and follow up so i'll just one

[1:49:53] Voice 13: thing quickly the

[1:49:54] Voice 13: threat i feel based on my last comment about a graduate survey that's gone out is that people

[1:50:01] Voice 13: people don't feel like the trust is able to do anything.

[1:50:05] Voice 13: So the answer is, let's put a municipality in this place

[1:50:09] Voice 13: because the municipalities that surround us

[1:50:12] Voice 13: have put in tree bylaws that said if a certain tree

[1:50:16] Voice 13: has so many circumference around them

[1:50:18] Voice 13: that you can't cut it down without a license,

[1:50:22] Voice 13: like cut it down.

[1:50:23] Voice 13: So the fear is that people that support the Argos Trust

[1:50:27] Voice 13: are now gonna say, screw it.

[1:50:29] Voice 13: they haven't been able to help us, and we give a shit about, you know, this ecology of this place,

[1:50:36] Voice 13: so hell with it, we're just going to have a new cell unit, oh that is, it's all an increase in

[1:50:40] Voice 13: tax dollars. Yeah. So that's the rub. Yeah. I think it goes two ways though, because the

[1:50:49] Voice 13: lot of the conversation that I have is the opposite, that becoming a disempathetic

[1:51:00] Voice 9: I don't actually

[1:51:01] Voice 9: want to have a

[1:51:02] Voice 14: competition just because like this day we have to really

[1:51:07] Voice 14: keep ourselves to ourselves although I do think that like individually as trustees we probably

[1:51:13] Voice 14: need to weigh in one way or the other on like how we think about that issue I am still trying

[1:51:19] Voice 14: to understand the benefits and costs of that for this year and

[1:51:23] Voice 8: just

[1:51:25] Voice 8: you can ask good people about what i'm right now

[1:51:33] Voice 3: just saying

[1:51:34] Voice 8: there's very much

[1:51:37] Voice 8: my 30 seconds of time is what

[1:51:41] Voice 8: happened it's the greater vancouver is trying to establish

[1:51:44] Voice 8: with john hundred spot campground on golden island with the fourth half of 460 people

[1:51:50] Voice 8: and and it went through bone council and all that but of course all the way it came to trust

[1:51:56] executive we kicked it back

[1:51:58] Voice 8: yeah so so the trust does at the end of the day there are times when

[1:52:01] Voice 8: we do have an employee so it is now okay nobody else has any questions

[1:52:06] Voice 11: we've

[1:52:08] Voice 8: got to keep moving

[1:52:09] Voice 8: because brass kind of stuff an answer um for a bunch of you about the question but we've been

[1:52:15] Voice 8: asking so the grand bay he has a little

[1:52:20] Voice 2: statement to read out just so that everybody's on the same

[1:52:22] Voice 2: page um i think

[1:52:28] Voice 9: that's actually when we get to later on good

[1:52:31] Voice 2: things i think it's kind of

[1:52:33] Voice 8: okay so

[1:52:34] Voice 12: you'll

[1:52:35] Voice 8: have to stay ma'am you have one more okay

[1:52:38] Voice 12: i just want to follow up on

[1:52:40] Voice 12: what judy said about the uh vote uh and i there were four trustees that voted for about 26

[1:52:49] Voice 12: trustees for the thing and i

[1:52:53] Voice 2: went and i didn't part of it it's not clear what i'm talking about

[1:53:02] Voice 2: i think it is but anyway yeah that

[1:53:04] Voice 12: was there that were to rescind the request from the problems and

[1:53:09] Voice 12: And I went around and talked to a lot of trustees asking why.

[1:53:13] Voice 12: And I have to say, I don't buy the argument that we didn't do it.

[1:53:18] Voice 12: And I can get through all the arguments I've talked to everybody about it.

[1:53:22] Voice 12: But what I'd like to know now is if this comes up again, will you vote for more power in trust counsel

[1:53:31] Voice 2: to save our place?

[1:53:36] Voice 2: So I voted for it the first time.

[1:53:38] Voice 14: I left the room during that one so I actually wasn't counted either way for this last time

[1:53:43] Voice 14: because I was generally so frustrated with where things were going so I stepped out of the room so

[1:53:48] Voice 14: I actually wasn't counted on either side of that particular vote because I could see it going

[1:53:51] Voice 14: landslide toward revealing um so I should though I should have stayed with and voted against it but

[1:53:57] Voice 14: I generally have I think we should have local control over

[1:54:01] Voice 12: our asking for it so you would vote

[1:54:04] Voice 12: for it yeah and i don't want to go back over it because you think that other people for sam um

[1:54:13] Voice 12: because you think other people are not voting that way is not a reason to vote yeah vote for

[1:54:18] Voice 12: one threat so aaron as

[1:54:23] Voice 13: far as the authority aspect of it would you vote for it for me it still is not

[1:54:30] Voice 13: a topic with the islands trust that I have been able to get comfortable with the authority aspect

[1:54:38] Voice 13: of it I absolutely believe that we need to protect what we have here I don't know that

[1:54:47] Voice 13: that we actually have the ability so that's that that for me is if I knew that we can that we can

[1:54:54] Voice 13: actually control it in a in a proper way there's there's actually quite a few things for me

[1:55:00] Voice 13: like that um but until until i feel like we have we have the ability to actually

[1:55:09] Voice 13: enforce something and do something i won't happen

[1:55:13] Voice 12: with the galleon information i haven't we

[1:55:16] Voice 13: literally got it yesterday i haven't had a chance to look at any of it we had a brief

[1:55:21] Voice 13: conversation about what had come to us yesterday and and actually it was at neb's request that it

[1:55:29] Voice 13: be sent to us so we can start looking at it and try to understand how that works for us and and

[1:55:36] Voice 13: how it would work for our island because it has to be it has to work for pender you know it and

[1:55:43] Voice 13: and for us i guess it's for north um so i'm yeah i don't have an have an answer i haven't gotten

[1:55:51] Voice 13: into actually looking at what it is i think

[1:55:54] Voice 14: i think aaron's like i think aaron makes a good

[1:55:57] Voice 14: point about enforcement because we are struggling and that's been an ongoing dilemma within trust

[1:56:01] Voice 14: council about enforcement and so we're working on all those fronts right on enforcement on

[1:56:07] Voice 14: governance on like it's a complex funnel to get it all working so i agree that like our enforcement

[1:56:12] Voice 14: is frankly ridiculous like right now so like to try and get it to a level where we're actually

[1:56:17] Voice 14: being able to i like the fact that we're able to push back and work with the province right now

[1:56:22] Voice 14: on on issues that are breaches here so you know it's an interim measure yeah

[1:56:32] Voice 8: give

[1:56:33] Voice 13: me ask you a specific question which i just answered

[1:56:37] Voice 13: the specific

[1:56:38] Voice 4: question at this time i

[1:56:39] Voice 13: said no okay so no yeah no i i feel like i don't actually feel like people understand what they're

[1:56:48] Voice 13: asking and what the ramifications of the power for that would be

[1:56:57] Voice 13: and yeah and until i can i can sort that out for myself um i wouldn't i wouldn't try and get more

[1:57:05] Voice 13: power when i don't feel like we're using the power that we've already got and

[1:57:10] Voice 8: i think just to jump

[1:57:12] Voice 8: to jump into the conversation that Trust Morrison is right is that the Galeano tour tool is

[1:57:21] one we have that we can use well we were being told repeatedly from the province

[1:57:27] Voice 8: was the

[1:57:28] Voice 8: feedback was this ain't gonna happen so so we were looking at burning a lot of time and

[1:57:33] Voice 8: a lot of energy and a lot of lobbying person for a tool they didn't want to and it seemed

[1:57:38] Voice 8: it wasn't about the trust it was if they give the authority for the trust then they're going to have

[1:57:44] Voice 8: to give it to the regional districts and if they give it three shifts they were very uncomfortable

[1:57:50] Voice 8: inside of municipalities so and that i think was what having a lot of people's voting the way that

[1:57:57] Voice 8: they did was is that it was a tool that likely was not going to be made available to us and we did

[1:58:04] Voice 8: did have other things such as a galliano example that we could use so it was more let's put our

[1:58:10] Voice 8: energy into the pot that we know we can do something with versus the one where you know

[1:58:15] Voice 8: as it was noted you know we spent so much time with staff and such trying to do things that we

[1:58:20] Voice 8: don't get done and this seemed to be one of those things so that's why thank

[1:58:25] Voice 12: you so much

[1:58:25] Voice 12: We're explaining that. That is wonderful. So now the tool that you have is DPAs. So do it. Paint the whole island with DPA.

[1:58:37] Voice 8: Can I

[1:58:38] Voice 12: ask one last question?

[1:58:39] Voice 8: One last question because we may have killed you.

[1:58:41] Voice 8: When

[1:58:41] Voice 13: do we know the exact verification rental application by the goons who never show up? When will

[1:58:48] Voice 9: we know if that's being passed or not passed?

[1:58:55] Voice 8: I spent this on today's agenda, today is the day.

[1:59:05] Voice 3: So

[1:59:06] Voice 8: if nobody else has any questions, maybe we just take a five minute break.

[1:59:11] Voice 8: All right, thank you very much. Then we'll get into the meeting.

[1:59:15] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[1:59:46] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:59:48] Voice 13: Oh, that's actually what I was saying.

[1:59:50] Voice 13: So I just wanted to see when the...

[2:00:23] Voice 3: I

[2:00:24] Voice 11: have, I have, I have.

[2:00:57] Voice 3: Nice to talk to you, dear.

[2:01:15] Voice 13: I think the next item is to have UL.

[2:01:21] Voice 13: I was

[2:01:22] Voice 3: shocked.

[2:01:27] Voice 3: Let's

[2:01:28] Voice 13: go ahead and build stuff that's really useful.

[2:01:30] Voice 13: Well, you know, she made another question.

[2:01:37] Voice 8: Because the difference between a cookie and bread and cheese cake would be

[2:01:43] Voice 13: a layer of cream.

[2:01:50] Voice 13: We've

[2:01:50] Voice 2: just been rocking for it.

[2:01:52] Voice 2: Yeah, yeah.

[2:01:53] Voice 2: Thanks for your time.

[2:04:40] Voice 2: Sure.

[2:04:42] Voice 13: You don't have no use for it.

[2:04:44] Voice 13: I put it in my computer bag and I looked through there.

[2:04:47] Voice 9: Well,

[2:04:48] Voice 13: I don't know what this is.

[2:04:50] Voice 13: Oh, do you want power?

[2:04:54] Voice 13: There was, there was a guy.

[2:04:57] Voice 9: You know, I'm dealing with the house.

[2:04:59] Voice 9: They should all speak.

[2:05:00] Voice 9: We are doing something.

[2:05:01] Voice 9: We need a children.

[2:05:01] Voice 9: Yes.

[2:05:01] Voice 9: So they do.

[2:05:02] Voice 9: Kind of.

[2:05:07] Voice 1: Yeah.

[2:05:07] Voice 3: All right.

[2:05:08] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:09] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:09] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:10] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:11] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:12] Voice 1: Thank you.

[2:05:12] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:05:13] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:05:13] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:05:14] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:05:18] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:05:19] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:05:22] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:05:23] Voice 13: get into this model

[2:05:24] Voice 13: all

[2:05:24] Voice 9: right

[2:05:26] Voice 13: we'll

[2:05:37] Voice 8: be coming back um kind of just out for a second

[2:05:40] Voice 8: uh but i think we can talk through these things but we um

[2:05:45] uh we don't have public hearing um minutes we have looking

[2:05:48] Voice 8: just many minutes dated july 28th

[2:05:51] Voice 8: for adoption um any comments or errors or

[2:05:56] Voice 13: omissions or anything we didn't we had uh

[2:06:01] Voice 13: kathy had sent an email saying that the wording for what she had presented and the name

[2:06:08] Voice 13: and i believe that it's been corrected yes did you get were you copied back on that well you just

[2:06:17] Voice 13: I pulled

[2:06:17] Voice 13: you because I didn't think that it had gone back to let you go.

[2:06:21] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:06:23] Voice 8: So while there's an amendment that was.

[2:06:26] Voice 8: Maybe just possibly verified that the minutes did get corrected appropriately.

[2:06:31] Voice 4: Correct.

[2:06:32] Voice 4: You have a version that was sent by Emily yesterday to you with corrections

[2:06:38] Voice 13: from the recording.

[2:06:40] Voice 13: So as long as you have a copy of it, you can approve this amendment.

[2:06:49] Voice 8: And I certainly thank staff for pivoting on that very, very quickly because you brought it up in like within what two hours she'd gone through about the recording and all that.

[2:07:01] Voice 8: So very appreciative of staff to sort of accomplish that because if you brought it forward today, we would have been, we would have been spinning our wheels.

[2:07:08] Voice 8: so it

[2:07:08] Voice 13: was done so quickly that that's why i figured i should respond to you and let you know

[2:07:15] Voice 13: yeah thank you

[2:07:17] Voice 13: everybody um

[2:07:24] Voice 2: um

[2:07:25] Voice 8: so um local trust committee public hearing record of may 13th um for receipt

[2:07:32] Voice 8: um we don't have research on meetings we have no apc in there so

[2:07:37] Voice 14: we're accepting all those uh

[2:07:38] Voice 14: Uh, so it works, which is

[2:07:40] Voice 2: because I want to make an amended note down.

[2:07:52] Voice 2: I have some self-contributed amended ones.

[2:07:54] Voice 2: Get posted.

[2:07:55] Voice 2: All right.

[2:07:55] Voice 8: I'll follow up action list.

[2:07:57] Voice 4: Oh, yes.

[2:07:58] Voice 4: I'm just going to, there was one I've been with respect to, uh,

[2:08:01] Voice 4: leaving opinion around the town body building and, uh, we've received

[2:08:05] Voice 4: legal advice since my understanding that staff's interpretation of the

[2:08:09] Voice 4: 20 uh in 2021 was correct and that the building remains lawful provided that it's not put to a

[2:08:16] Voice 4: use inconsistent with farming and that if neighbors believe there are non-farm uses

[2:08:21] Voice 4: in the building in the future they should contact violence so

[2:08:25] Voice 8: do you want to put that in your

[2:08:26] Voice 8: yeah

[2:08:26] Voice 9: i copy so and it's not like the neighbors don't know that they're well aware

[2:08:42] Voice 9: um so

[2:08:43] Voice 14: uh but maybe i could just um so is this a moment sorry where are we on the agenda

[2:08:49] Voice 14: thank you very much okay so thank you very much for the clarity on that and if i could just ask

[2:08:57] Voice 14: a quick question related to that because i um one of our colleagues was online um she's still

[2:09:03] Voice 14: online or not but she was online but she was in the live stream she couldn't get into the virtual

[2:09:08] Voice 14: meeting and had texted me one of our community members was um because she couldn't talk for

[2:09:14] Voice 14: that issue um so maybe if i could just um

[2:09:17] Voice 13: to be able to talk to that issue

[2:09:21] Voice 13: my stream it's not uh but to migrate meeting yeah oh

[2:09:26] Voice 14: so we're not having hybrid meetings anymore

[2:09:28] Voice 14: oh that's actually important to understand because we were i think we were thinking it

[2:09:33] Voice 14: was still a hybrid meeting when we talked to them so they might have been

[2:09:36] Voice 13: since i've been i've not

[2:09:38] Voice 13: had an interaction with the town hall for example um on the screen

[2:09:44] Voice 14: where is that

[2:09:46] Voice 9: okay so

[2:09:48] Voice 14: i'm a little confused about that um so we should just make sure that our committee knows

[2:09:53] Voice 14: that they can no longer participate in town hall by zoom that's the issue because they still think

[2:09:59] Voice 14: they would do that

[2:09:59] Voice 13: okay i misunderstood that i didn't when we met with them yesterday i didn't

[2:10:03] Voice 13: think that they were going to be attempting to attend either way they were just going to be

[2:10:09] Voice 13: listening no

[2:10:10] Voice 14: joyce was said that she wanted to actually say something that was fine because

[2:10:13] Voice 14: she was going to get on his name like that's what i

[2:10:16] Voice 8: think the only exception is that if somebody's

[2:10:19] Voice 8: an applicant. Yes, I get that.

[2:10:21] Voice 8: Okay,

[2:10:22] Voice 13: so

[2:10:29] Voice 14: thank you for that clarification. There is some questions still about lighting

[2:10:37] Voice 14: in our policy and I don't know where that falls in our agenda. So what do we want to,

[2:10:43] Voice 14: I'm going to put this as a follow-up action list related thing because I don't know where else it

[2:10:48] Voice 14: go so and then

[2:10:50] Voice 14: brad let me know if you need a motion about it but basically there is

[2:10:53] Voice 14: uh a question about how we can coordinate with uh i guess it would be the crd related to night sky

[2:11:05] Voice 14: um moves to be able to get lighting regulations and just to have a look at our own

[2:11:11] Voice 14: bylaws about where where lighting is in our bylaws and have a conversation with

[2:11:16] Voice 14: paul brent and or others in crd bureaucracy it's maybe more effective to actually get right into

[2:11:22] Voice 14: the people who have the answers um to be able to just have some conversations about night sky

[2:11:28] Voice 14: so because i'm not clear if it's us so if it's them under buildings

[2:11:32] Voice 14: come on

[2:11:33] Voice 8: from under your call we sent a letter to crd well

[2:11:36] Voice 9: next guy well next

[2:11:37] Voice 8: guy and request

[2:11:38] Voice 8: to me to be not yeah

[2:11:40] Voice 14: i feel like okay yeah okay so i've seen

[2:11:42] Voice 13: you would be willing to

[2:11:44] Voice 13: so

[2:11:44] Voice 14: that would be the thing on the follow-up action list if it's there sorry i'm not looking at it but

[2:11:48] Voice 14: that i would like to schedule a meeting related to that thank

[2:11:51] Voice 14: you very much do

[2:11:53] Voice 13: we know and that is

[2:11:57] Voice 13: is we can just make a bylaw about it and not give it up.

[2:12:02] Voice 13: So yeah.

[2:12:02] Voice 13: So that's a pretty good point.

[2:12:05] Voice 13: Nuisance lighting would be an issue, would be a CRD.

[2:12:08] Voice 13: That's important to maybe relay that back to the ..

[2:12:13] Voice 13: But I mean,

[2:12:14] Voice 4: I'm going to be honest.

[2:12:17] Voice 4: I think you're going to have a really hard time convincing

[2:12:19] Voice 4: the CRD to create and establish

[2:12:22] Voice 13: some kind of nuisance

[2:12:24] Voice 13: lighting law for a legal building that

[2:12:29] Voice 13: What point does I don't even know where you how you would read them.

[2:12:33] Voice 13: So

[2:12:34] Voice 14: i'm not i'm not talking about this property right i'm talking about new society period across the island.

[2:12:40] Voice 14: because it's

[2:12:41] Voice 14: not a broader

[2:12:42] Voice 4: topic issue that i thought you weren't

[2:12:44] Voice 4: on a broader topic that would be discussed in that sincerity for example

[2:12:50] Voice 4: like across your

[2:12:51] Voice 13: conversation yeah yeah more about like the language yeah it's definitely i

[2:13:01] Voice 2: can't see as

[2:13:01] Voice 2: many stars from my place as i can yeah it's okay so can you give us a page

[2:13:34] Voice 2: Okay,

[2:13:34] Voice 9: so which, where is that item on our follow-up action list?

[2:13:41] Voice 2: So that item is complete.

[2:13:45] Voice 13: So you've sent that letter, so this will be a new action.

[2:13:48] Voice 13: So

[2:13:49] Voice 14: can we have things like that not be complete? Because the letter was sent, but we don't have the meeting.

[2:13:54] Voice 14: like the the really your task is the letter to send our task track is that we actually

[2:14:00] Voice 14: follow up with that and

[2:14:02] Voice 13: i have to look at what

[2:14:02] Voice 8: the wording of the action is but sure yeah

[2:14:05] Voice 8: so would you like to have a new motion to reinvigorate this i don't think i didn't

[2:14:11] Voice 8: and

[2:14:12] Voice 14: maybe one of the ways to do it so that we know you've done your thing it's like pending

[2:14:16] Voice 14: answer or something like that like some status that's like not on you it's on

[2:14:21] Voice 13: Now all you ask us to write a letter, I don't think we asked for anything, sorry.

[2:14:25] Voice 13: Oh, I see

[2:14:26] Voice 2: what you're saying.

[2:14:28] Voice 2: We just need to craft our asks differently.

[2:14:42] Voice 2: Okay, anything else about action list?

[2:14:46] Voice 2: No, sorry.

[2:14:49] Okay, so we can move forward to applications and referrals.

[2:14:54] hurdles uh the person with 13.1 is going to dp in

[2:15:00] Voice 8: 2023 three shaves that were attached

[2:15:08] Voice 2: yeah so yeah

[2:15:13] Voice 4: bringing back the shape of the permit applications uh in the staff report at the last

[2:15:19] Voice 4: meeting in july you uh direct the staff to seek the advice around

[2:15:25] Voice 4: establishing a security deposit

[2:15:27] Voice 4: and the cost of the estimate for the proposed restoration work for the applicants the consultant

[2:15:34] Voice 4: that completed the professional reports with the restoration and site projection objectives

[2:15:42] Voice 4: and conditions has provided a cost estimates his document that was approximately five thousand

[2:15:49] Voice 4: dollars he constantly and staff for other documents it's an estimate only he hasn't

[2:15:55] Voice 4: actually ground truth uh pricing on tender uh and that a more detailed estimate could be sought

[2:16:02] Voice 4: staffer review that's a reasonable estimate but then to pursue uh

[2:16:08] Voice 13: further advice uh and during

[2:16:11] Voice 13: the opportunity to do more detailed estimate prior to making a decision today

[2:16:15] Voice 8: so question for you

[2:16:18] Voice 8: uh the ltc if we're asking for a deposit does it have to be based on the estimate

[2:16:24] Voice 8: can the lpc arbitrarily make a figure and and say okay we want to be ten thousand dollars

[2:16:31] Voice 8: you know do we have any latitude that way um

[2:16:35] Voice 4: my guess would be that uh if legally challenged and

[2:16:39] Voice 4: you could not demonstrate that the

[2:16:41] Voice 2: security matches the work permitted to do that so

[2:16:48] Voice 2: a better approach

[2:16:50] Voice 2: perhaps if you're

[2:16:52] Voice 4: uncertain that this

[2:16:54] Voice 4: is enough money, it's to get

[2:16:55] Voice 4: in more

[2:16:56] Voice 8: detail.

[2:16:59] Voice 8: My only concern

[2:17:00] Voice 8: would be that in

[2:17:02] Voice 8: my experience, as we're

[2:17:04] Voice 8: getting into the prime

[2:17:05] Voice 8: planting season, we want things to survive.

[2:17:09] Voice 4: To clarify, the security

[2:17:10] Voice 4: deposit is intended

[2:17:12] Voice 4: to cover any costs

[2:17:14] Voice 4: where the Island's Trust

[2:17:16] Voice 4: is directed to take

[2:17:18] Voice 4: upon work upon like on the applicant's behalf because they are negligent in doing so so

[2:17:25] Voice 4: uh that is just to clarify

[2:17:29] Voice 13: i absolutely

[2:17:31] Voice 2: think that we need to get a problem

[2:17:33] Voice 2: i

[2:17:37] Voice 13: mean i know what it costs a partner to plan things and i can't even a little bit

[2:17:48] Voice 13: agree with what that is all

[2:17:52] Voice 14: right i am with you on this because and so to your point david um they

[2:17:58] Voice 14: can go ahead and start doing remediation work there's nothing stopping them from doing that

[2:18:01] Voice 14: right now

[2:18:02] Voice 14: they're like they should be doing work they they need to be done on that property

[2:18:07] Voice 14: between it's really about a security deposit in case they don't do that work and we have to step

[2:18:12] Voice 13: technically they should be doing nothing on that property

[2:18:15] Voice 13: without just having to have their permit authorizing what work is required

[2:18:21] Voice 13: so they could be doing work that results in not being

[2:18:25] Voice 13: so if

[2:18:28] Voice 8: they go in right now and say if they pull that grab well

[2:18:31] Voice 8: they're actually doing a bad thing

[2:18:33] Voice 8: in a sense, recognizing

[2:18:34] Voice 4: that that property seems to be

[2:18:37] Voice 4: carrying on with lots of different activities on that basis

[2:18:40] Voice 4: is so but but

[2:18:42] Voice 4: in reality it should

[2:18:43] Voice 4: so

[2:18:44] Voice 8: so so it's a balancing act is that if we give the development

[2:18:48] Voice 8: permit so that they would do the good things that gets good things started but if we if we delay

[2:18:55] Voice 8: we're stopping the good things from happening i

[2:18:57] Voice 13: think we have to establish what the good things

[2:19:00] Voice 13: are that are going to be done before we go in that direction yeah

[2:19:06] Voice 9: the development permit does lay

[2:19:08] Voice 9: that out and

[2:19:09] Voice 13: we're

[2:19:10] Voice 4: talking about you know restoration of a once mature forest that's

[2:19:14] Voice 4: been impacted by children so it's not like street rest stream restoration for example where you're

[2:19:19] Voice 4: going to be put that habitat back

[2:19:22] Voice 13: to its function so a couple months is probably not going to change

[2:19:29] Voice 8: my only thing is i just know that if i plant a cedar tree in january it ain't going to make

[2:19:36] Voice 8: it the pilot in october intends to make it right so that's that's the only thing on fire radar

[2:19:40] Voice 8: is is doing this is like sort of prime season to be doing the good stuff so is the property

[2:19:47] Voice 4: one you're going to be going out the next day and planting trees with this permit

[2:19:51] Voice 4: um

[2:19:52] Voice 8: so when would you anticipate if we asked for the progress we

[2:19:58] Voice 13: could come back with the november

[2:20:02] Voice 13: So

[2:20:03] Voice 2: we have

[2:20:04] Voice 13: a special meeting in a couple of weeks.

[2:20:06] Voice 13: So we have to get this estimate done?

[2:20:11] Voice 13: No.

[2:20:12] Voice 1: You

[2:20:12] Voice 13: would be directing the applicants.

[2:20:14] Voice 4: And

[2:20:15] Voice 13: I would be working with the applicants and the consultants to use their resources to get the same kind of professional advice.

[2:20:24] Voice 13: And the consultant was, Keith is a very good consultant, and he was very, very cautious with his experience.

[2:20:32] Voice 13: So, Dr. Morrow, do you have any other promotions?

[2:20:35] Voice 14: Yeah, so I would like to note that the, I think I have to say the North Pender LTC may request, or sorry, request, because I'm using your language.

[2:20:45] Voice 9: So

[2:20:45] Voice 14: the North Pender LTC, and I emailed this to you, Brad.

[2:20:49] Voice 8: You want to add?

[2:20:51] Voice 14: the north pender ltc requests further information prior to making a decision related to development

[2:20:57] Voice 14: from an npdp 2023.3 shape specifically that we asked for a more detailed estimate including

[2:21:03] Voice 14: multiple locally based quotes on the deposit

[2:21:06] Voice 9: for remediation work we

[2:21:09] Voice 13: can have a specific number of

[2:21:11] Voice 13: quotes okay three three three three locally based quotes

[2:21:22] Voice 9: so

[2:21:23] Voice 8: that email that uh motion's coming your way by email okay

[2:21:27] Voice 5: thank you sorry about that

[2:21:31] Voice 8: so we'll just pause until

[2:21:33] Voice 2: pat gets it

[2:21:49] Voice 2: Yeah, things are coming through I think very slowly.

[2:22:36] Voice 2: Let us know when you have it.

[2:22:39] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:22:40] Voice 2: This is very slow right now.

[2:22:59] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:23:01] Voice 2: I'm

[2:23:02] Voice 9: on the hall Wi-Fi.

[2:23:04] Voice 8: No, I think it's actually on our internal.

[2:23:07] Voice 8: Oh, I see.

[2:23:08] Voice 8: Is there

[2:23:08] Voice 2: something...

[2:23:10] Voice 2: I couldn't find anything this morning.

[2:23:26] Voice 2: Oops, just lost it completely.

[2:24:19] Voice 2: There, you're back.

[2:24:21] Voice 2: We're back, yes.

[2:24:24] Voice 5: Yeah, I still don't have the resolution.

[2:24:31] Voice 8: Yeah, it should also be more in your way.

[2:24:34] Voice 8: I think between Pendant Island Internet and our own island's trust servers,

[2:24:39] Voice 8: we're having a little bit of issues with communicating.

[2:24:43] Voice 5: Oh, the audio is horrendous.

[2:24:46] Voice 5: I just sent

[2:24:47] Voice 2: it and I tweaked it a bit to get more of a motion.

[2:24:50] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:24:51] We

[2:24:54] Voice 2: should get that soon.

[2:25:08] Voice 2: I can read

[2:25:20] Voice 4: it if you want, and then I'll send it to that, let me do that.

[2:25:23] Voice 5: Sure, I got request further information prior to.

[2:25:28] Voice 4: Yeah, I'll read the motion and I'll just send it to you guys.

[2:25:32] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:25:35] Voice 2: And I'll send it to you once this is working.

[2:25:37] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:25:40] Voice 13: Can't open my mailbox.

[2:25:53] Voice 4: Well, the LTC directs staff to obtain a more detailed cost estimate, including three locally based quotes on a deposit for remediation work for application in the DP-2022.

[2:26:10] Voice 13: Thank you. I so move.

[2:26:11] Voice 13: Second.

[2:26:13] Voice 8: Any further discussion? All questions, all in favor?

[2:26:16] Voice 8: That carries. Okay.

[2:26:18] Voice 4: It's still on my

[2:26:19] Voice 4: mailbox. I'll

[2:26:20] Voice 8: send it to you as soon as it gets back, okay?

[2:26:23] Voice 5: Thanks, Fred.

[2:26:23] Voice 5: We'll come and see you.

[2:26:24] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:26:25] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:26:26] Voice 8: So nothing more on this one.

[2:26:29] Voice 8: So we'll move forward to North Bend, your TUP 2023.4 move.

[2:26:35] Voice 8: Staff report attached.

[2:26:36] Voice 8: And I see that Planet Capra has joined us.

[2:26:40] Voice 6: Hello, hello.

[2:26:41] Voice 6: Hello. Good afternoon, Chair Maud, Trustee Campbell, and Trustee Morrison. Hope Trust Council went well.

[2:26:48] Voice 6: So the application before you at 4801 Pirates Road was deferred at the July LTC meeting.

[2:26:57] Voice 6: Pending comments from the Fire Department, Senior Freshwater Specialist William Shulbaugh, and clarification on the cistern volume.

[2:27:04] Voice 6: The applicant and owner has confirmed the cistern on site is 7,571 liters or 2,000 gallons.

[2:27:12] Voice 6: Oh, also, okay, I think they're joining now.

[2:27:15] Voice 6: A representative for the owner was going to come on remotely.

[2:27:20] Voice 6: Okay. The fire chief, Michael Dine, provided a response stating that there is not an increased requirement for water for fire suppression required for this property resulting from this application.

[2:27:32] Voice 6: The fire department does not currently derive its fire suppression water supply for this property from the well and the cistern that's to be installed on the property.

[2:27:42] Voice 6: And then the senior freshwater specialist commented, if serviced by sustainable water supply, it's likely that the proposed temporary use permit condition,

[2:27:51] Voice 6: insulation of a cistern with greater than 7,000 liter capacity connected to a water treatment system will meet the daily potable water demand of the proposed use.

[2:27:59] Voice 6: use. So this is a temporary use application for a short-term vacation rental, as everyone's aware.

[2:28:06] Voice 6: The draft permit is seeking up to three years for the proposed use and a total of 11 guests per stay.

[2:28:12] Voice 6: As a permit condition, SDVR use is limited to 30 days from May 1st to September 30th in a calendar

[2:28:20] Voice 6: year. And then the applicants are seeking up to three and a half weeks the rest of the year.

[2:28:24] Voice 6: And according to the owners, they'll be moving to North Pender full-time once their youngest child

[2:28:29] Voice 6: has graduated from high school um it's been echoed in town hall today but five letters of opposition

[2:28:35] Voice 6: were received from neighbors during the notification period for the july ltc um the concerns

[2:28:41] Voice 6: were summarized in the staff report and include um difficulty locating the street address opposition

[2:28:46] Voice 6: to stvr stvr use beside their residential property uh the number of proposed guests per stay and um

[2:28:54] Voice 6: you know water potential water usage uh that guests were already staying at the property and

[2:28:59] Voice 6: accessing the foreshore um and then noise and congestion generally um on north pender um so the

[2:29:06] Voice 6: owner uh sent an email a couple days ago and state that they have locked the gates leading to the

[2:29:11] Voice 6: cliff and the potential access points to the neighbor's property um the house is not sited

[2:29:16] Voice 6: in proximity to the neighboring houses uh and it is in a well-vegetated area not visible from the

[2:29:21] Voice 6: road there's ample off-street parking the owners have installed a noise monitoring alarm system

[2:29:26] Voice 6: system, which alerts the caretaker, who I believe is present at the meeting.

[2:29:30] Voice 6: Two letters were received from neighbors

[2:29:33] Voice 6: during the notification period for this meeting, which I'll summarize.

[2:29:37] Voice 6: So the writer, the one writer suggests

[2:29:38] Voice 6: that the draft permit duration be reduced from three years to one year and for the

[2:29:43] Voice 6: draft permit to include conditions for guests and their pets to prevent them

[2:29:48] Voice 6: from trespassing onto adjacent properties.

[2:29:51] Voice 6: And then another email that was received

[2:29:53] Voice 6: yesterday and was circulated to all of you, which hopefully you were able to receive with

[2:29:58] Voice 6: internet, states that

[2:30:00] Voice 6: the cistern on the property has not been hooked up yet and just had some questions about that.

[2:30:05] Voice 6: The installation of a cistern connected to a water treatment system is a permit condition.

[2:30:10] Voice 6: Staff have reviewed the TUP guidelines for STVRs and find that the application as proposed complies

[2:30:15] Voice 6: with the overall guidelines and therefore recommend issuance of the permit. Despite

[2:30:20] Voice 6: complying with the TUP guidelines, the issuance of a TUP is a discretionary approval on part of

[2:30:26] Voice 6: LTC and factors such as general concerns of neighbors are considerations that the LTC may

[2:30:32] Voice 6: take into account and just as a quick comment as this is discretionary LTC has the option to amend

[2:30:38] Voice 6: the permit so so long as the changes that are made are more restrictive so for example this

[2:30:43] Voice 6: TUP could be amended to one year and the applicant could reply for renewal for up to three years

[2:30:48] Voice 6: and the number of permitted guests per stay could also be reduced and that's it for me.

[2:30:54] Voice 6: thank

[2:30:56] Voice 8: you very much um now we have the applicant with us do you want to hear

[2:31:01] Voice 8: anything from the applicant any questions or anything i just

[2:31:05] Voice 13: i mean so we've confirmed that

[2:31:09] Voice 13: there is a 2000 gallon cistern but there hasn't been hooked up yet it it sounds

[2:31:17] Voice 6: as though it's

[2:31:18] Voice 6: on the site um but it hasn't been according to the neighbors um but i would uh if the

[2:31:26] Voice 6: uh applicant could comment or the owner sorry could comment um that would be uh appreciated

[2:31:31] Voice 6: i haven't been on the site but site uh since then okay

[2:31:35] Voice 2: okay miss you did anything from your side

[2:31:51] Voice 13: Do you

[2:31:52] Voice 13: just ask me questions to kind of do we know if it's been hooked up or

[2:31:58] Voice 9: it's right next month at the end of middle of October but it's there we were just waiting

[2:32:09] Voice 9: for all this to go through but it's definitely getting through when you start to wait for Craig

[2:32:14] Voice 9: your hands are tied with him so

[2:32:17] Voice 13: as the chicken and the egg what comes first and

[2:32:22] Voice 13: proving something like this because i thought you could you could modify the

[2:32:27] Voice 4: conditions to say that

[2:32:29] Voice 4: upon insurance of this permit you need to have your sister in place prior to operation or when

[2:32:36] Voice 4: you need to have your sister in place within one month of the issuance of this permit something

[2:32:41] Voice 4: something along those lines and

[2:32:42] Voice 13: provide demonstrated proof that it was already part of the application.

[2:32:48] Voice 9: Yeah, isn't it already part of the application that they have to have it there?

[2:32:51] Voice 13: But I'm saying they

[2:32:54] Voice 4: don't have it there. So you could defer a decision, you could say no, or you could create a condition that amends that condition to allow for

[2:33:10] Voice 13: that they can't operate for example prior to the sister

[2:33:16] Voice 13: being operated versus just having

[2:33:19] Voice 13: right

[2:33:19] Voice 14: can i can i ask you a quick question too just from the things that we heard today

[2:33:24] Voice 14: like is there actually people staying in there well yeah the owner was like last week they had

[2:33:30] Voice 14: the um aaron's wife had a baby a whole bunch of people came like there was a lot of people but i

[2:33:36] Voice 14: can't do anything about it that's the owners no i understand

[2:33:38] Voice 1: so only the

[2:33:39] Voice 14: owners there's no std or

[2:33:41] Voice 14: rentals and we bought

[2:33:44] Voice 9: that water tank we got carl to put the cement pad down we're just waiting and

[2:33:50] Voice 9: we're waiting for craig to hook it up and he said probably don't stick yourself over that's when he

[2:33:56] Voice 9: schedule. We've tried.

[2:34:01] Voice 2: Just

[2:34:01] Voice 13: going back looking at the purpose of I mean,

[2:34:04] Voice 4: I think they

[2:34:05] Voice 4: can't do all those things that those conditions are they can't

[2:34:08] Voice 4: operate any of those conditions are being met. So if their

[2:34:11] Voice 4: sister isn't up and is it says installation of a sister and

[2:34:15] Voice 4: greater than 7000 litre capacity connected to a water treatment

[2:34:18] Voice 4: system. So

[2:34:19] Voice 1: they haven't done that

[2:34:20] Voice 4: connection yet. You can

[2:34:22] Voice 4: still issue

[2:34:22] Voice 4: the permit, but they wouldn't be able to operate

[2:34:24] Voice 4: because the condition wouldn't have been

[2:34:27] Voice 13: met. So at any time

[2:34:28] Voice 13: in the permit, if, for example, their water system blew up, they would then be negligent with respect to the permit conditions that they were operating with, any of these things were.

[2:34:43] Voice 9: Can

[2:34:44] Voice 14: I get a clarity too? Does anybody know what the problem is with the address? Because that's weird that the address is like...

[2:34:50] Voice 13: there's a few there's a few places like that and there's one on scooter that we're driving down

[2:34:55] Voice 13: the road and all the numbers go a certain and then all of a sudden it'll jump like

[2:34:59] Voice 9: right a

[2:35:00] Voice 13: thousand and then you'll go a little farther down and then we'll jump back again or

[2:35:05] Voice 13: there's it's just seems like

[2:35:07] Voice 9: you can just

[2:35:07] Voice 13: change it we don't know

[2:35:09] Voice 9: yeah that's the change there's

[2:35:12] Voice 9: nothing like that but with the tree thing the trees are coming down um the nine have walked

[2:35:21] Voice 9: over there's one

[2:35:22] Voice 14: tree a danger she's yes

[2:35:23] Voice 9: she's right has to come down and we've got them from

[2:35:27] Voice 9: good as quick and they're taking it down so but that's way the law has nothing to do with the

[2:35:32] Voice 9: policy i

[2:35:32] Voice 13: understand

[2:35:33] Voice 9: carol's concern

[2:35:35] Voice 13: that's what we're doing and in in reading the letters of

[2:35:38] Voice 13: of opposition really there's some of it is irrelevant to us like the the number of the

[2:35:48] Voice 13: house like that's not something that's in our control and but it is a it's a serious concern

[2:35:59] Voice 13: right

[2:36:00] Voice 14: it is in our control because it's a discretionary issue for us to issue these

[2:36:04] Voice 14: permits they're not no no just not the number yeah

[2:36:08] Voice 2: issuing

[2:36:10] Voice 14: the permits in our control because

[2:36:11] Voice 14: these are discretionary as opposed to like developing parents where we have to say xyz

[2:36:16] Voice 14: so if that's an issue that like there is there are ways that it can be fixed and the reason it's

[2:36:24] Voice 14: concerned for the neighbors is because the higher risk with people that are rotating through the

[2:36:28] Voice 14: building not being as fire aware that there is a slightly higher risk when you don't have residents

[2:36:33] Voice 14: who are here and constantly firing, that's every STVR we talk to people are worried about.

[2:36:40] Voice 14: Because it's visitors to the island, it's an increased fire risk. So, because that perception,

[2:36:46] Voice 14: whether it's true or not, I don't know if anybody's studied that, but like that perception

[2:36:49] Voice 14: of an increased fire risk, the address is a concern because people are worried about

[2:36:55] Voice 14: the fire department getting there.

[2:36:57] Voice 8: Just to jump in, there's a reality, the fire department signed that address, so the

[2:37:03] Voice 8: 9-1-1 register will be that address and so it's i i don't think that's really an issue and it could

[2:37:11] Voice 8: be that maybe all the other investors and theirs is right it's really it's one of those i don't

[2:37:18] Voice 8: really think we should wait into that it is you know obviously the part of ours are using property

[2:37:24] Voice 3: yeah we've

[2:37:25] Voice 8: got a staff report back so yeah they haven't applied to the rest

[2:37:28] Voice 14: so they can find it

[2:37:33] Voice 8: That was the amusing thing I found with Longstead, they have no rural addresses.

[2:37:40] Voice 3: Right.

[2:37:40] Voice 8: And one of our trustees is on the fire department, he says, we don't need street addresses.

[2:37:45] Voice 8: So it's, so I

[2:37:49] Voice 2: don't think that's what we're going to have.

[2:37:51] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:37:54] Voice 2: Interesting.

[2:37:55] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:37:57] Voice 2: So thoughts?

[2:38:01] Voice 2: i'm concerned because there's

[2:38:03] Voice 14: so many community letters and i understand

[2:38:05] Voice 10: that you know what their

[2:38:08] Voice 10: specifics are and then you know trying to address each of the specifics is one way through them

[2:38:13] Voice 10: um you

[2:38:15] Voice 14: know ft this particular system of stvrs was specifically set up so that community

[2:38:22] Voice 14: neighbors had input and they're giving him time and so like if we don't address each item i feel

[2:38:29] Voice 14: like it's a problem so the question is how we address every item that community is naming

[2:38:34] Voice 14: there

[2:38:35] Voice 13: was two two letters of the five i think that actually offered um what they felt were reasonable

[2:38:45] Voice 13: um sort of concessions to approval and i and i thought reading both of those that they

[2:38:53] Voice 13: that it actually seemed like I kind of read it read through it and I was like yeah like I could

[2:38:59] Voice 13: get the address right it made it made sense it was for a smaller number of people a shorter term

[2:39:07] Voice 13: to sort of prove out which is I think the sort of it becomes the spirit of temporary use permits

[2:39:14] Voice 13: quite often is to see uh see if it works you know there's been some some concerns from the

[2:39:22] Voice 13: neighbours that have already been addressed, it would some

[2:39:26] Voice 13: effects and blocking the gate. There are some other concerns

[2:39:33] Voice 13: that still need to be addressed in the installation of the

[2:39:37] Voice 13: cistern and working through that. But I think if we go

[2:39:45] Voice 13: through those things, we kind of narrow it down to not really

[2:39:51] Voice 13: nearly as much opposition yeah

[2:39:55] Voice 14: i think the thing if we do those and i'm not opposed to that because

[2:40:00] Voice 14: i think it's a reasonable path forward to say it's a year to say that you know the 11 person thing

[2:40:08] Voice 14: there's reasons why people go back and forth why 11 is good why it's not good but i think for the

[2:40:13] Voice 14: first round of this as a proving ground i think it shouldn't be 11.

[2:40:18] Voice 13: well one i think it like sort of

[2:40:22] Voice 13: you know laurie has said that there was some

[2:40:24] Voice 2: large groups of people that have been there and

[2:40:59] Voice 13: we're just saying saying that there has been

[2:41:03] Voice 13: larger groups that have been there and there

[2:41:05] Voice 1: have

[2:41:05] Voice 13: been issues but the owners are there right for the owners to not be there and to have large

[2:41:12] Voice 13: groups and

[2:41:13] Voice 2: potentially incur the same multiple stvrs in the magic

[2:41:34] Voice 14: lake area where owners are

[2:41:35] Voice 14: there and they're in big groups and then they have their stvr clients who are there and they're in

[2:41:40] Voice 14: smaller groups and so it is it behooves the owners to keep a log like to keep a calendar log of who's

[2:41:49] Voice 14: there when because when there's a like they're having their own party and it's frankly that

[2:41:54] Voice 14: That's their property.

[2:41:55] Voice 14: They're welcome to do that.

[2:41:56] Voice 14: They're welcome to do that.

[2:41:57] Voice 14: Right.

[2:41:58] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:41:58] Voice 14: Dogs can be done like that?

[2:42:00] Voice 14: Right.

[2:42:00] Voice 14: So, like, it's actually a really important thing for the owner to keep a log because

[2:42:04] Voice 14: they basically have to prove that there's, like, you know, complaints that have come

[2:42:08] Voice 14: along and we have documented complaints because our recommendation to neighbors in the situations

[2:42:13] Voice 14: where we've had STBRs and they have a noise complaint or something is to document it,

[2:42:18] Voice 14: phone the cops, document it, and then there's a record.

[2:42:20] Voice 14: and then like that's how we can say because we can't just take like hearsay when the permit

[2:42:26] Voice 14: comes in we haven't actually had documentation like 100 right absolutely right so and then if

[2:42:32] Voice 14: you come back in your documentation saying this is the same then it's easier for us to say

[2:42:37] Voice 14: so like from that perspective if you have it as a one-year permit um there is concerns with

[2:42:48] Voice 14: the neighbors that seem pretty like given their interactions with the owners like you want them

[2:42:53] Voice 14: to be good neighbors everybody wants to be coming in please have good neighbor like so like you know

[2:42:58] Voice 14: we want them

[2:42:59] Voice 3: all to like work

[2:42:59] Voice 14: that out right i know yeah so you know we have to take into account

[2:43:05] Voice 14: given there's five letters we have to take into the account some of those issues so um i will be

[2:43:11] Voice 14: okay with the like one year move six cap for the like guests and for that one year and then like

[2:43:19] Voice 14: what would and of course everything that dad just said was which is already in the program like they

[2:43:24] Voice 14: have to have the sister hooked up but you know they can't actually have guests so if they have

[2:43:31] Voice 14: guests before that all that stuff when the permit is hooked up and we see that in any way like that

[2:43:37] Voice 14: that's documentation then we won't redo it anymore

[2:43:38] Voice 13: because we could withdraw we could withdraw

[2:43:44] Voice 14: there's like 20 people there right now yeah yeah and they should be aware that their activity

[2:43:53] Voice 14: influences the neighbors like respect for their stvr they should be aware of that because they're

[2:44:00] Voice 14: and i you know it's a dilemma that

[2:44:02] Voice 14: you have as a homeowner if you want to have the privilege of

[2:44:04] Voice 14: HAVING YOUR PLACE IT'S AN STVR AND YOU ARE LIKE THE ROUNDING VERTICALS ON YOUR PROPERTY YOU'VE

[2:44:09] Voice 14: GOT TO BALANCE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR ISSUE SO YEAH WITH WITH CAROL I CAN'T CHANGE THE

[2:44:17] Voice 9: AGRA BUT I CAN TAKE THE TREES SO SHE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT HAPPY YEAH I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE

[2:44:21] Voice 9: YEAH THAT'S

[2:44:24] Voice 13: THAT'S THE PART OF IT THAT REALLY ISN'T SORT OF ISN'T ENOUGH FOR CONSIDERATION

[2:44:31] Voice 13: no

[2:44:31] Voice 14: but i would recommend like in the next year it's not going to be part of the permit

[2:44:35] Voice 14: but i would recommend that you actually apply to the fire department have the address changed

[2:44:39] Voice 14: is that how we do it because we don't care if we could change it we don't really care

[2:44:43] Voice 14: i would apply i don't know how to do it i think that's how the first step i think you take is

[2:44:48] Voice 14: the

[2:44:49] Voice 8: legal body is sincerity yeah but

[2:44:55] Voice 8: they have basically the subcontract the fire department

[2:44:59] Voice 8: Right. Lisa, is it worse on all the other items?

[2:45:01] Voice 8: I

[2:45:02] Voice 14: think it's here that it's a part of the permit.

[2:45:03] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:45:04] Voice 14: Yeah, absolutely.

[2:45:07] Voice 14: So of the things that we've named,

[2:45:09] Voice 14: one-year term on the permit,

[2:45:12] Voice 14: we can talk about these,

[2:45:14] Voice 14: but this is what I'm hearing so far.

[2:45:15] Voice 14: One-year term on the permit,

[2:45:17] Voice 14: six cap on the STPR rental.

[2:45:20] Voice 14: I would like to actually just name,

[2:45:22] Voice 14: you're going to do it anyway,

[2:45:22] Voice 14: but I'd like to name that danger trees are removed

[2:45:24] Voice 14: or managed on the property.

[2:45:26] Voice 14: I've already moved that.

[2:45:27] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:45:29] Voice 14: Yeah, yeah. So, but if you put it in the permit that you can check it and say, look, we did that.

[2:45:34] Voice 14: I have to make it happen.

[2:45:36] Voice 14: Yeah, I know.

[2:45:38] Voice 14: I know.

[2:45:38] Voice 14: I used to say all of that.

[2:45:42] Voice 14: I don't remember nearly.

[2:45:46] Voice 14: So, so I think that those are important things.

[2:45:50] Voice 8: Anything else?

[2:45:51] Voice 3: Or

[2:45:51] Voice 8: is that it?

[2:45:52] Voice 8: You talked to the trainer's assistant.

[2:45:54] Voice 6: That's already a thing.

[2:45:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:45:56] Voice 3: through the

[2:45:57] Voice 6: chair and maybe brad might have a comment um it might be good if if the danger

[2:46:01] Voice 6: trees are being included it might be good to specify um the number preferably they would be

[2:46:08] Voice 6: like on a site plan and you would show exactly which ones and they'd be labeled but um if if

[2:46:13] Voice 6: that's being included it might and brad can chime in too um but uh might be good to have the specify

[2:46:20] Voice 6: the specific number and maybe a general location i guess so

[2:46:23] Voice 8: if it was just said that the two

[2:46:25] Voice 8: identify danger trees is that close enough yeah

[2:46:30] Voice 6: i get the problem um because

[2:46:33] Voice 13: we need

[2:46:34] Voice 13: we need to have another treatment oh we need to know those were the two trees that i thought were

[2:46:37] Voice 13: danger trees no i

[2:46:40] Voice 14: get the problem yeah yeah

[2:46:42] Voice 14: so um but and the problem is too that danger trees

[2:46:46] Voice 14: aren't static like the winds

[2:46:47] Voice 14: make new danger trees so you know generally speaking it's going

[2:46:52] Voice 14: to be the ones where you drive down the road not close to the house yeah no

[2:46:57] Voice 13: but is there any sort of

[2:46:58] Voice 13: can you think of any like specific descriptor or whatever it is to the two trees to be able

[2:47:06] Voice 13: to say that that these two trees have to be taken now this was the reason the reason that

[2:47:12] Voice 13: attach a photo oh

[2:47:15] Voice 12: i can take a picture because dennis wood has come over and i'll send you the

[2:47:19] Voice 12: pictures and i gotta go there now and they put red tape around it already thank you two trees to

[2:47:25] Voice 4: remove yeah and i think if you could provide a picture yeah i'll

[2:47:29] Voice 9: send it i don't know

[2:47:30] Voice 4: it's done

[2:47:31] Voice 13: it's done and charlie not even charlie could create that condition that's

[2:47:37] Voice 4: it that you know

[2:47:41] Voice 4: change the trees identified in the schedule so

[2:47:45] Voice 8: so the motors that they're doing and that is

[2:47:47] Voice 8: to identify danger trees we'll slide the pictures with the timing on them yeah

[2:47:57] Voice 8: i

[2:47:58] Voice 2: think that'll work okay thank you charlotte anything else

[2:48:04] Voice 14: and I think we need to be clear because if we pass a permit with five letters that say you know

[2:48:13] Voice 14: no we have to be clear in our recording of our notes too um Pat just that like we are addressing

[2:48:19] Voice 14: like all of the issues that were raised in the letters um because this is like it's the larger

[2:48:28] Voice 14: picture of proof of the STVR program is working or not right so we don't want to like mess it all

[2:48:33] Voice 14: out for everyone based on like not being clear so we also should include that in our pender post

[2:48:40] Voice 14: about like at some level about just like you know thanks to those who are coming

[2:48:46] Voice 14: out and discussing that appearance where is the evolving process something like that

[2:48:50] Voice 14: so

[2:48:52] Voice 2: it's just like why you're seeking a

[2:48:58] Voice 4: one-year permit with a maximum of six people at any one

[2:49:01] Voice 4: once I've been over the removal of danger trees

[2:49:04] Voice 4: in addition to the other.

[2:49:05] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:49:08] Voice 9: And yeah,

[2:49:09] Voice 2: the system's already in it.

[2:49:10] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:49:12] Voice 9: What about the fencing?

[2:49:14] Voice 3: The fencing was already, yeah.

[2:49:15] Voice 6: That has been addressed.

[2:49:18] Voice 13: Yeah, there's been proactively some things that were done

[2:49:22] Voice 13: because we've gotten some letters.

[2:49:24] Voice 14: Yeah, that's right.

[2:49:25] Voice 14: I'm already tracking all these letters.

[2:49:27] Voice 14: Our email's been ferocious.

[2:49:29] Voice 14: Right.

[2:49:34] Voice 9: and keep out so they have to stay inside but that's all about

[2:49:38] Voice 9: because i

[2:49:40] Voice 13: had heard from a resident that there was that there was already an issue

[2:49:43] Voice 13: and knowing that there wasn't uh to you that we hadn't approved it to you people there i

[2:49:50] Voice 13: talked to laura and i was like hey like i heard this and then right here yeah

[2:49:58] Voice 14: Okay, it's super

[2:49:59] Voice 14: helpful, like if you get those or if you were sending them to send them to all three of us.

[2:50:03] Voice 14: It was a text message.

[2:50:06] Voice 14: Okay, just because then we're like, we see it ahead of time and we're on, you know, it's a little bit easier.

[2:50:15] Voice 14: Okay, so that's, that's fine.

[2:50:19] Voice 9: There was one other thing.

[2:50:21] Voice 9: Do you have any other questions?

[2:50:23] Voice 2: No.

[2:50:27] Voice 2: One other thing.

[2:50:28] Voice 2: HAB-Masyn Moyer- It is related to so.

[2:50:36] Voice 2: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I need a second.

[2:50:47] Voice 2: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay, so the so there's a general there were some general comments about.

[2:51:22] Voice 14: about TUPs in terms of like the general statements,

[2:51:26] Voice 14: which are not for this application specifically,

[2:51:28] Voice 14: but just the commercial business licensing

[2:51:30] Voice 14: versus not, like that is something

[2:51:33] Voice 14: that we really need to push back again on us now to the fee.

[2:51:37] Voice 14: So maybe we can talk about that in a second

[2:51:39] Voice 14: after we finish this comment,

[2:51:40] Voice 14: but the BNB licensing versus like STVRs

[2:51:45] Voice 14: versus like the commercial business,

[2:51:47] Voice 14: I think a lot of people have a valid comment

[2:51:49] Voice 14: comment about the idea that like why aren't these coming under B&B or why aren't they coming into

[2:51:55] Voice 14: some kind of commercial licensing and the reason is the biggest reason that I've seen is that the

[2:52:01] Voice 14: FTBRs are not paying their share of the accommodation tax which circles back and

[2:52:06] Voice 14: drops money into our local economy for things like roads and stuff and

[2:52:11] Voice 2: that is just ridiculous

[2:52:13] Voice 2: that the activity so the difference between some

[2:52:23] Voice 14: of the Airbnb versus sorry B&B licensing

[2:52:27] Voice 14: versus non-STVR online so and I thought that the Airbnb system was going to start to accumulate

[2:52:34] Voice 14: that and I haven't seen that I would

[2:52:37] Voice 13: just say another major concern is that their vacation

[2:52:40] Voice 13: rentals would be potential housing stock that's yeah so I think that was the key concern yeah

[2:52:49] Voice 13: They'll build the last term of justice to remove temporary use for the

[2:52:53] Voice 14: availability.

[2:52:55] Voice 14: And so one of the things that I look for when I'm looking at STPRs is, is there a connection that the owner has with the island?

[2:53:02] Voice 14: Like, are they coming and going from the island?

[2:53:05] Voice 14: Are they connected to the island in some way?

[2:53:07] Voice 14: Or is it an investment property where they're totally disconnected from the island and they're just like, it's just a rotating door of visitors?

[2:53:15] Voice 14: To me, I'd rather not see that.

[2:53:17] Voice 14: I'd rather see a connection to the island.

[2:53:18] Voice 14: because that's to me what this was for

[2:53:21] Voice 14: it was for people who are like

[2:53:23] Voice 14: here in the long term

[2:53:25] Voice 14: or have been here historically

[2:53:27] Voice 14: have family cabins or whatever

[2:53:28] Voice 14: but they just think you might have some additional income

[2:53:31] Voice 14: from it and offer some additional tourism space

[2:53:33] Voice 14: it does actually support

[2:53:36] Voice 2: so okay

[2:53:37] Voice 2: that's

[2:53:37] Voice 2: oh I want to thank you

[2:53:57] Voice 2: did you even look at that

[2:54:01] Voice 14: at

[2:54:01] Voice 9: all and like was there anything

[2:54:03] Voice 9: that

[2:54:11] Voice 9: It seems

[2:54:12] Voice 13: very detailed to me, but it included some good pieces about recycling and, and

[2:54:21] Voice 9: we can actually stop that.

[2:54:23] Voice 14: I hate telling them to leave because garbage can leave everything now.

[2:54:26] Voice 14: So I do it because I'm a recycle crazy person and

[2:54:30] Voice 9: I want to make sure it's all done.

[2:54:31] Voice 9: also got the garbage can set up and then I take it away because I don't

[2:54:35] Voice 2: need this okay okay and are

[2:54:41] Voice 2: they here did I didn't

[2:54:42] Voice 9: see them there's

[2:54:44] Voice 13: island detail there's like a guest book and then a bunch

[2:54:48] Voice 13: of island details grocery

[2:54:50] Voice 2: stores liquor stores

[2:54:52] Voice 2: or is gassing in the trade fields.

[2:55:08] Voice 2: All right, where are we at?

[2:55:12] Voice 2: So we have a motion, how do we?

[2:55:18] Voice 6: So, sir, the chair, from my understanding,

[2:55:22] Voice 6: so that the North Pender Local Trust Committee

[2:55:25] Voice 6: amend temporary use permit NP-TUP 2023.4,

[2:55:30] Voice 6: reducing the permit duration to one year

[2:55:32] Voice 6: and to reduce the number of guests per stay to six um and uh include a requirement for removal

[2:55:42] Voice 6: of two danger trees um as shown in schedule a and

[2:55:49] Voice 14: that'll be the photos yeah

[2:55:51] Voice 6: um hey laurie um

[2:55:52] Voice 6: the photos you sent are of the fencing but i don't it sounded like you were describing like

[2:55:58] Voice 6: like orange, like fencing around trees.

[2:56:08] Voice 8: She's going to send me the pictures of the trees later on.

[2:56:11] Voice 6: Okay. Well, she did send me a couple of photos.

[2:56:14] Voice 8: Yeah. So

[2:56:15] Voice 8: Charlie, can you, can you send that to Pat?

[2:56:21] Voice 6: The resolution? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[2:56:26] Voice 6: I don't know if I have Pat's email. I mean,

[2:56:29] Voice 6: i mean actually i probably do i mean that hey

[2:56:34] Voice 9: charlie um if

[2:56:39] Voice 8: you don't you can probably like

[2:56:40] Voice 8: like cycle it through planner smith and he can forward

[2:56:43] Voice 2: it on i should just give me one sec

[2:56:46] Voice 2: and so we are still 30 days right in the may to september window yeah here i'll just quickly

[2:57:03] Voice 2: message pat i can

[2:57:09] Voice 5: give it to you charlie oh

[2:57:10] Voice 6: emily's emily hooked me up so fast uh okay

[2:57:14] Voice 6: okay

[2:57:14] Voice 2: okay i'm reluctant not to issue the permit

[2:57:50] Voice 14: even though i'm reluctant to issue them so and

[2:57:54] Voice 14: i'm reluctant to issue the permit because i also want to make sure that like this is kind of the

[2:58:03] Voice 14: reason we have them to like think about how to support people in these transitions to like

[2:58:08] Voice 14: becoming islanders more deeply and to you know like to allow for like dispersed across the

[2:58:15] Voice 14: landscapes of housing for visitors in ways that get them to see the island in other ways um and

[2:58:20] Voice 14: i think that's the goal well we don't want to necessarily have like massive party houses where

[2:58:24] Voice 14: people don't really like become part of the community so like you know as

[2:58:28] Voice 14: much as we can

[2:58:29] Voice 14: do in any materials at the site to like point out things to see and places to go and all that

[2:58:33] Voice 14: kind of stuff you know okay

[2:58:36] Voice 8: and from my perspective i drove to the site

[2:58:42] Voice 8: this is far away it's not it's not an email based from what the perspective i had

[2:58:48] Voice 8: the owners were on site right now so obviously they are

[2:58:53] yeah that community attachment you spoke to um i i kind of was kind of comfortable with this one

[2:59:00] Voice 8: But I will also note for the greater benefit of the community, like Isles Trust was just here.

[2:59:05] Voice 3: I

[2:59:06] Voice 8: believe we rented every Airbnb available to accommodate Trust Council.

[2:59:12] Voice 8: And like Lori Foster was staying in an Airstream.

[2:59:16] Voice 8: You know, there does seem to be at times a strong demand for this type of accommodation that's not accommodated by

[2:59:26] Voice 2: normal farmers.

[2:59:27] Voice 2: So I just want to put a pause.

[3:00:00] Voice 2: on stvrs until we're

[3:00:02] Voice 13: able to sort out the ones that aren't permanent yeah

[3:00:06] Voice 14: that's an interesting

[3:00:07] Voice 14: issue because we're still struggling with some of the balance issues around the

[3:00:11] Voice 9: remaining ones

[3:00:13] Voice 9: we've

[3:00:14] Voice 13: got continuous non-permanent stvr files over here yeah it feels like yeah i mean it's

[3:00:23] Voice 13: it's been I think at least one for every meeting or two in between every meeting.

[3:00:30] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:00:30] Voice 13: So it's it's not really it's not really like having this cat which one it hasn't really

[3:00:38] Voice 13: accomplished. Yeah. I don't

[3:00:39] Voice 13: think what the idea was.

[3:00:42] Voice 14: Do we know if there's any more applications

[3:00:44] Voice 14: in the stream? Not yet.

[3:00:46] Voice 14: So let's let's do that. Okay let's finish this. Yeah.

[3:00:52] Voice 7: I sent the resolution to pat um so hopefully uh she'll be able to receive yeah

[3:01:00] Voice 2: I've got it

[3:01:01] Voice 2: thank you charlie okay

[3:01:02] Voice 5: cool hey

[3:01:04] Voice 8: pat do you want to read it out just because then we'll

[3:01:07] Voice 8: we'll move in a second and make it go just

[3:01:09] Voice 5: to give me something to do

[3:01:10] Voice 8: yes please that the

[3:01:12] Voice 5: north pender local trust committee amend temporary use permit np tup 2023.4 reducing the permit

[3:01:20] Voice 5: duration to one year and to reduce the number of guests per stay to six and to

[3:01:26] Voice 5: include a condition to remove two danger trees as shown in Schedule A.

[3:01:33] Voice 2: Thank you, Dr. Mulder, Dr. Campbell, Dr. Morrison, for this discussion.

[3:01:40] Voice 8: All in favor? That carries. Thank you very much. Thank

[3:01:45] Voice 8: you, Pat. Thank you, Charlie.

[3:01:47] Voice 6: I think the second part of that is the second resolution will be that the

[3:01:51] Voice 6: North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approved issuance of temporary use permit MP2P 2023.4 GU as amended, I think.

[3:02:01] Voice 8: And

[3:02:02] Voice 2: you've sent that to Pat?

[3:02:03] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:02:03] Voice 2: And so moved?

[3:02:05] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:02:07] Voice 8: Dr. Morrison, seconded by Dr. Campbell. Any discussion? All in favor?

[3:02:13] Voice 8: So

[3:02:13] Voice 9: when I come back in a year and renew it, do I have to pay this whole?

[3:02:18] Voice 9: It's a

[3:02:18] Voice 14: renewal fee. It's different.

[3:02:20] Voice 14: it's way less it's way less okay and then there's none of this discussion in the like minutiae

[3:02:28] Voice 14: because the renewal of the permit it's the permit as it as it's currently issued renewal for up to

[3:02:33] Voice 14: three years um and then at that point the real question is have you abided by the

[3:02:41] Voice 9: yeah

[3:02:52] Voice 8: if they

[3:02:52] Voice 14: want to change the firm they have to do it different they have to do a new application

[3:02:55] Voice 14: but if you want to renew the existing permit as it is like as we're doing it

[3:03:00] Voice 14: then if we thought we only have six adults

[3:03:04] Voice 9: but we have the kids for a week and we have

[3:03:08] Voice 13: So

[3:03:09] Voice 4: you couldn't revisit conditions at a renewal. You would have to approve or deny the permit

[3:03:15] Voice 4: exactly the same as it's being approved. The renewal fee is $165.00. So with temporary

[3:03:22] Voice 4: permits, you pay that initial fee. It's because of all this process is required to get to

[3:03:27] Voice 4: an answer. The renewal is just a yes or no. So it's a lot easier. You can only renew a

[3:03:35] Voice 4: permit one time. So the local trust committee, if they decided

[3:03:38] Voice 4: to renew your permit for up to three years next time after that

[3:03:41] Voice 4: permit lapses,

[3:03:44] Voice 9: you would have

[3:03:44] Voice 4: to seek another new permit. Or

[3:03:51] Voice 13: to

[3:03:52] Voice 13: renew it, you will go through as you will you will receive a

[3:03:58] Voice 13: letter. Okay. And you would just work with us and we will need to

[3:04:04] Voice 13: consider your

[3:04:05] Voice 15: room so it is an application okay this

[3:04:08] Voice 15: kind of goes with saying we have really good

[3:04:11] Voice 15: information on the level you know how

[3:04:13] Voice 15: many people were there well

[3:04:15] Voice 9: i i do

[3:04:16] Voice 15: that and i don't know

[3:04:17] Voice 15: what it

[3:04:19] Voice 12: is this is my reservations for

[3:04:21] Voice 9: my cleaning so i have all that but um i'll

[3:04:24] Voice 14: be honest with a

[3:04:25] Voice 14: lot of the like polling studies and asking plays i look after i don't have a lot of 40 years here

[3:04:31] Voice 14: i have people that just want to come stress a lot of people i don't know they want to

[3:04:34] Voice 14: write a book here i don't

[3:04:35] Voice 9: know what you

[3:04:37] Voice 14: want that it's it's all when we dug into it the

[3:04:41] Voice 14: issues which have come up for bar it's actually been the owners so it's the owners that make it

[3:04:47] Voice 14: their properties are bad thing so they and it's their property says i have one person happy and

[3:04:54] Voice 14: i change those things yeah i'll be okay yeah i'll work on the address i just didn't know

[3:04:58] Voice 14: on checking the address of my line yeah thank you yeah

[3:05:03] Voice 9: all right guys so

[3:05:05] Voice 13: you wanted that

[3:05:18] Voice 13: it's kind of like the idea of operating in the secondary suites that you know one person took

[3:05:28] Voice 13: everybody up on it but there's probably illegal suites but more than there is illegal ones and

[3:05:38] Voice 13: i wonder if we're really accomplishing well

[3:05:42] Voice 14: the the advantage of not touching the cap right now

[3:05:44] Voice 14: is that we are not touching a moratorium is that one of the remedies for illegal suites is for them

[3:05:50] Voice 14: to come into the permanent process and if we see the early process then as we try and like crack

[3:05:55] Voice 14: down on the illegal suites there's no map

[3:05:57] Voice 14: there's no route so i think leaving it is right now but

[3:06:01] Voice 14: spending some time and energy like you know and we have generally more than i think might be still

[3:06:07] Voice 14: online we have generally warren's been like about of course it's been on top of the like you know

[3:06:13] Voice 14: digital problem related to so we're we are catching them that's why we're seeing the files right

[3:06:20] Voice 14: I think

[3:06:21] Voice 13: it also doesn't seem to translate into people coming forward to ask for a

[3:06:28] Voice 14: yeah

[3:06:29] Voice 13: but

[3:06:30] Voice 14: that's a good question so that would be a question I think for Warren and for generally

[3:06:35] Voice 14: for bio-enforcement is what's happening to all these people after we enforce on them and we

[3:06:40] Voice 14: don't see them come through the the actual permitting process where

[3:06:44] Voice 8: are they going

[3:06:45] Voice 14: but

[3:06:46] Voice 8: is it because you're outside the catchment area no to get you to magic lake no it's not

[3:06:51] Voice 14: that's not magic what's this the 20

[3:06:54] Voice 4: the 20 cap is actually the the requirement for a tup to

[3:06:59] Voice 4: operate in stvr if you're not living on your premises is is it all around so

[3:07:05] Voice 8: that 20 cap

[3:07:06] Voice 8: really yeah

[3:07:08] Voice 14: outside magic lake there's a lot of resistance for people to have um stvr is another

[3:07:14] Voice 14: other places and it's for a variety of reasons a lot of it to do with the fact that water

[3:07:19] Voice 14: firefighting is more difficult in other places so it's a little bit more extensive to try and

[3:07:25] Voice 14: prove that you're gonna be able to fight fires in those spaces but that's just again it's a

[3:07:29] Voice 14: perception issue it's hard to know exactly so and what happened here like this one was a little bit

[3:07:35] Voice 14: on the border of that so like having the fire department sign off on it it's a way to manage it

[3:07:40] Voice 13: yeah i just i just wonder if it's yeah the amount of time that it seems like these applications

[3:07:47] Voice 13: take when one does come forward and then back and forth yeah

[3:07:52] Voice 14: i think they are the pathway that was

[3:07:55] Voice 14: agreed to by the community like with the stvr like process that went through it was years before i

[3:08:01] Voice 14: started that they went through that whole process to come to these guidelines so i kind of want to

[3:08:05] Voice 14: respect them as a process and leave

[3:08:08] Voice 13: it i don't i don't have the history part of that right i just

[3:08:11] Voice 13: hear that yeah today

[3:08:13] Voice 13: we're going to get rid of sdvrs like that's what

[3:08:16] Voice 13: people feel is the solution

[3:08:18] Voice 13: to it and i don't agree that it completely is but i feel like we have lost a lot of housing

[3:08:26] Voice 13: to the idea that uh you make more money yeah renting out by the day so

[3:08:33] Voice 14: that question i think

[3:08:35] Voice 14: is in our housing project to really and i don't want to do it based on just word of mouth i want

[3:08:39] Voice 14: to know i

[3:08:40] Voice 14: want to like do a survey of like or like i want to get some data on that and understand

[3:08:44] Voice 14: exactly where we're leaving housing where we wouldn't because i actually don't know if i agree

[3:08:50] Voice 14: with that as a general statement um and

[3:08:52] Voice 14: not that i disagree or agree i just don't know right and so

[3:08:56] Voice 14: before we make any decision related to that i would rather just like i would like to know as

[3:09:01] Voice 14: As part of our housing project, I think we could ask that.

[3:09:03] Voice 14: We could ask, like, can we collect some information on understanding, like, where are all these

[3:09:10] Voice 14: STBRs that we've had violent enforcement things on?

[3:09:12] Voice 14: And, like, what's happening with that building right now?

[3:09:14] Voice 14: Like, is it just empty with those?

[3:09:16] Voice 14: Can we survey some of those landowners to say, would they actually do a rental?

[3:09:20] Voice 14: Are they being rented?

[3:09:21] Voice 14: Because some of the conversations I've had with people who are bringing STBR things forward

[3:09:27] Voice 14: or are having other arrangements with their buildings,

[3:09:31] Voice 14: they don't want to rent.

[3:09:33] Voice 14: Like they don't want to rent it

[3:09:34] Voice 14: because of the rental tenancy act

[3:09:36] Voice 14: and what it does to them.

[3:09:37] Voice 14: So they're not willing to rent it.

[3:09:39] Voice 14: So that wouldn't change what they do with their property.

[3:09:42] Voice 14: And so it's not like suddenly all the SDRs

[3:09:45] Voice 14: are from rental stock.

[3:09:46] Voice 14: That's actually not true, I don't think.

[3:09:48] Voice 14: So anyway, but it would be good to put that as a question

[3:09:52] Voice 14: in our housing project to actually get some data on that.

[3:09:54] Voice 14: So I don't

[3:09:55] Voice 9: know how you do that.

[3:09:59] Voice 8: all right well let's roll forward

[3:10:02] Voice 13: um

[3:10:03] Voice 8: raptor that's dpa review project update just a brief

[3:10:08] Voice 4: to provide you with an update so your last meeting you approved your project charter

[3:10:13] Voice 4: the first steps of that work were to staff to work with mr manning on data collection

[3:10:20] Voice 4: tough space with dave he's just in the process of kind of finalizing his data

[3:10:25] Voice 4: He's working with Dan Baxter at a voluntary basis at this point, I guess.

[3:10:32] Voice 4: But the data that's collected will require him to be allowed to sign on.

[3:10:37] Voice 4: So data touch base with me is a little bit further along, and then we will seek to figure out how to acquire that data.

[3:10:47] Voice 4: And I think Dan was involved in the last version, right?

[3:10:51] Voice 4: yeah so

[3:10:52] Voice 9: yeah and there's your

[3:10:53] Voice 4: reference again ideally we could have even further

[3:10:55] Voice 4: favoritism or direct award okay something yeah but thank you

[3:11:02] Voice 4: we'll have to work through that

[3:11:04] Voice 4: thank you very

[3:11:10] Voice 14: much for like working through it i know that mom made a thing but you know

[3:11:13] Voice 14: dave is your regional expert he's such a resource to have here

[3:11:23] Voice 13: need to see them giving a presentation or delegation and then also to be able to connect

[3:11:32] Voice 13: it back to the work that's being done here yeah yeah so once that information is ready

[3:11:39] Voice 4: we'll figure out how much it's worth and how to acquire it okay keep going with the next steps

[3:11:44] Voice 4: you know updating having gis staff work through reviewing the data and updating the maps and then

[3:11:51] Voice 4: and you'll have to go through an ICP process

[3:11:54] Voice 13: as part

[3:11:56] Voice 8: of the project.

[3:11:57] Voice 8: Okay, that sounds good.

[3:11:58] Voice 3: Thank

[3:11:59] Voice 8: you very much.

[3:12:01] Voice 8: Okay, so then we move down to the work program report.

[3:12:05] Voice 8: So we have Act on Future Projects.

[3:12:09] Voice 4: I think we're ready to talk about that.

[3:12:11] Voice 4: I think both your projects are updated,

[3:12:13] Voice 4: your websites are updated,

[3:12:14] Voice 4: and the first staff report is on the project charter for Afghanistan

[3:12:18] Voice 4: asking for

[3:12:20] Voice 13: housing housing project, this would just our

[3:12:25] Voice 13: decision is to decide as a major budget, of course, for

[3:12:29] Voice 14: is there just related to that housing project in the

[3:12:33] Voice 14: conversation that we just had? Is there? Is there a way for us

[3:12:37] Voice 14: just to ask a question into that project more writ large? I would

[3:12:43] Voice 14: love to know if people are as they think about housing, like

[3:12:47] Voice 14: who is nervous or whoever's handling that kind of work at the regional level like are they actually

[3:12:52] Voice 14: considering um the interaction between sdbrs and housing as part of the question so

[3:12:59] Voice 4: well yes david

[3:13:00] Voice 4: that was we did a little trust chair the chair knows we did a lot of work on main island and i

[3:13:06] Voice 4: drafted uh my discussion paper the original discussion paper

[3:13:11] Voice 4: looking at all the, this was pre-COVID, so there was a lot more SDR activity.

[3:13:18] Voice 4: Looking at all the cases, looking at all the different options.

[3:13:22] Voice 4: That and the work that we did on Galeano, it's really hard to, it's very, there's evidence

[3:13:30] Voice 4: that suggests it supports the community, right?

[3:13:33] Voice 4: And it brings in, it's an economic driver, blah,

[3:13:36] Voice 4: blah, blah, and there's evidence to

[3:13:37] Voice 4: suggest that it also affects thousands of folks.

[3:13:40] Voice 4: So those two arguments, there's no clear answer.

[3:13:43] Voice 4: And I think you would be hard pressed to tease out a definitive answer through any kind of

[3:13:48] Voice 4: even if you go survey

[3:13:51] Voice 13: property ownership, that's just one option.

[3:13:57] Voice 13: I think, in my view, there is probably some impact on rental stock, because there's houses

[3:14:07] Voice 4: that aren't being used.

[3:14:08] Voice 4: but then on the other side most of those is only going to finance people aren't looking

[3:14:14] Voice 4: they don't need to you know a lot of them are you know people that are looking for svrs it's

[3:14:19] Voice 4: their second home or their vacation home or the old family home and they don't need to rent it

[3:14:23] Voice 4: out for a thousand bucks that's

[3:14:25] Voice 8: the challenge every island is like for me we have the traditional one

[3:14:34] Voice 8: we're getting to live on the property, we can rent out a cottage, that kind of thing. But

[3:14:38] Voice 8: standalone STVRs, we only have two of the ones. R&B, go on. Oh my gosh. So when you go across

[3:14:47] Voice 8: the trust area, and for instance like Denman and Stockley.

[3:14:50] Voice 4: Yeah, the legal

[3:14:51] Voice 13: activity here seems way

[3:14:53] Voice 13: less than it looks like it's happening, but not to the extent that they're happening. So there's

[3:14:59] Voice 13: other items for laborers and

[3:15:01] Voice 4: maybe you know it's a bit more of a uh a bedroom community island here

[3:15:04] Voice 4: too i

[3:15:05] Voice 13: think there's going to be something for the community versus more down here

[3:15:12] Voice 13: but

[3:15:12] Voice 8: the beauty is

[3:15:13] Voice 8: it is great because most of these things are rented over the internet

[3:15:19] Voice 8: so it's easy to buy a lot of horses they go into these various sites and pick them out and so it's

[3:15:25] Voice 8: It's more the boy knows somebody who's got a cottage and renting, and it's sort of, it

[3:15:31] Voice 8: gets, is that an STVR, is that a friend renting to a friend?

[3:15:35] Voice 8: That gets to the greater area, but it's hard to manage.

[3:15:39] Voice 14: I guess the other question related to housing that I'm curious about, if it's being considered

[3:15:44] Voice 14: in the housing project, is the interaction of the empty house tax and the speculation

[3:15:50] Voice 14: speculation tax um at the provincial level um just because I I do think that some of our housing

[3:15:57] Voice 14: related issues here they could be influenced by us advocating for the application of the empty house

[3:16:04] Voice 14: tax or the speculation it's not simple it would have to be an island defined way to handle that

[3:16:09] Voice 14: because you know cabins that are in families for generations likely impacted so you have to really

[3:16:14] Voice 14: think about what that would look like here but I don't know it's also part of the cause of the

[3:16:19] Voice 14: problem we

[3:16:19] Voice 8: may see something out of that though because i believe salt spring because it's a

[3:16:24] Voice 8: different regional district um has that has is going is requested every so if that request is

[3:16:31] Voice 8: granted we might actually be able to see something happening

[3:16:34] Voice 13: and

[3:16:35] Voice 8: see that direct feedback

[3:16:37] Voice 8: just

[3:16:38] Voice 4: so we you have a special meeting on october 21st the

[3:16:42] Voice 4: saturday which is around

[3:16:43] Voice 4: as your your project the first opportunity to start scoping your needs and priorities

[3:16:48] Voice 4: priorities towards developing action plans. What I'm hearing is kind of

[3:16:52] Voice 13: what are

[3:16:53] Voice 4: the questions that conversation

[3:16:54] Voice 4: and nurse will be

[3:16:56] Voice 4: okay. All the work that the trust is doing right now, I would say that the

[3:17:01] Voice 4: speculation tax is probably not high in this area. An outsider. So those

[3:17:07] Voice 4: are the kinds of questions you could ask. And that's just a first step to

[3:17:13] Voice 4: when you're kind of kicking off your

[3:17:15] Voice 4: service.

[3:17:17] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:17:18] Voice 4: I remember

[3:17:20] Voice 13: talking to Lisa

[3:17:23] Voice 13: on Wednesday night.

[3:17:27] Voice 13: I don't know if it was while you were there

[3:17:29] Voice 13: or not.

[3:17:30] Voice 13: I don't know if it was

[3:17:35] Voice 13: for another hour where they

[3:17:37] Voice 13: received money

[3:17:39] Voice 13: based on

[3:17:41] Voice 13: on your

[3:17:42] Voice 3: money

[3:17:46] Voice 13: that came for us. I think it was for STBRs. Yeah,

[3:17:51] Voice 14: so this is the accommodation

[3:17:53] Voice 14: specifically,

[3:17:56] Voice 13: they were granted it because of for affordable housing. Yeah,

[3:18:01] Voice 14: and it generally

[3:18:02] Voice 14: has not been attached to STBRs unless there's a licensing process or accommodation. So commercially

[3:18:10] Voice 14: partially operated business licenses have accommodations tax that they're

[3:18:14] Voice 14: trying to, and that tax comes back to the community.

[3:18:16] Voice 14: And that is part of the question about STVR related stuff that circulates in

[3:18:21] Voice 14: communities sometimes, because right now, as far as I understand it,

[3:18:24] Voice 14: the STVR world is not in the Gulf Islands,

[3:18:28] Voice 14: is not collecting that money specifically. There's no practice right now.

[3:18:33] Voice 14: The CRD could institute some kind of business licensing, which would do that.

[3:18:37] Voice 14: but right now we're essentially missing out on a certain tax to do accommodations that

[3:18:42] Voice 14: wouldn't catch if they were airbnb or sorry not airbnb or if they're in a hotel like in the woods

[3:18:48] Voice 14: or of course they're all paying accommodation tax so there's also an unfair sort of issue

[3:18:53] Voice 14: about accommodations somehow

[3:18:56] Voice 13: they were is it got i don't know somebody that you thought was able to

[3:19:02] Voice 13: get that money redirected back to the community for use in affordable housing instead of allowing

[3:19:09] Voice 13: even the ones that are going for bmbs and poets and the woods and everybody that's paying

[3:19:15] Voice 13: that

[3:19:15] Voice 14: does come back into community that money does come back into community it comes back in

[3:19:20] Voice 14: through the tourism directorate thing there's an organization specifically that gets that one

[3:19:24] Voice 14: and it supports the southern world house but

[3:19:28] Voice 15: does it come to pender specific or no

[3:19:30] Voice 14: that's actually you talked to steve wright about that one he hasn't he goes ballistic about that

[3:19:34] Voice 14: i

[3:19:34] Voice 13: would like

[3:19:43] Voice 14: to know what hurts is on that but we should sort that out a little bit because

[3:19:46] Voice 14: it's involved in the sdvr conversation too yeah

[3:19:49] Voice 8: yeah so yeah because it's sort of

[3:19:52] Voice 8: They're not off Sub-Saharan Coastal Southside Trust Area

[3:19:54] Voice 8: and they're reaching just to get redirected funds.

[3:19:58] Voice 8: But the only thing is the amount of money is so small.

[3:20:01] Voice 8: I think in that case, there was like $4,500 a year.

[3:20:05] Voice 8: And so to sort of extrapolate that,

[3:20:08] Voice 8: that would be in subsidized housing.

[3:20:10] Voice 14: Yeah, for us, we may not want it for subsidized housing.

[3:20:14] Voice 14: Maybe we'd redirect it at community.

[3:20:17] Voice 14: I don't know what it would be.

[3:20:19] Voice 14: We'd never decide as a community.

[3:20:20] Voice 14: but like the community's been directed at something maybe it goes through those active

[3:20:24] Voice 14: transportation trails right or whatever it was

[3:20:26] Voice 13: specifically what she was talking about was that

[3:20:30] Voice 13: it was specifically redirected in islands specifically i thought she was talking about it

[3:20:38] Voice 13: it's

[3:20:38] Voice 14: brb directed crd would be the agency that is like sort of in control of that

[3:20:43] Voice 14: move as far as what we're sending it

[3:20:45] Voice 15: sounds like your agency is going to have lots to do

[3:20:56] Voice 8: okay so we're working on that application report um trying to see a local uh extensive

[3:21:03] Voice 8: report we've seen the policy standard resolution we're familiar with um web page we're familiar

[3:21:10] Voice 8: with the services of the service report um new business we have the infographics and then you

[3:21:17] Voice 8: wanted to add in voluntary court one

[3:21:19] Voice 14: thing on the conservancy report just so we're all on the same

[3:21:22] Voice 14: page so um i think it was julian who brought up the question about was the conservancy letter that

[3:21:29] Voice 14: we received related to the schooner road property was that letter included in the crown council

[3:21:34] Voice 14: report that Warren forwarded to the Crown Council.

[3:21:38] Voice 14: The answer, as far as I thought it was no, it wasn't included.

[3:21:42] Voice 14: He was like, what report? And it's because it wasn't a report. It was a letter that the

[3:21:46] Voice 14: Conservancy sent in. It wasn't attached to our package. I don't think it came in later.

[3:21:51] Voice 14: Anyway, I forwarded the letter to Warren Damon.

[3:21:55] Voice 14: I feel like I CC'd you, but maybe I didn't. Anyway, I forwarded it to

[3:21:58] Voice 14: Warren Damon and asked him to include the information by force.

[3:22:06] Voice 13: Yeah, that was

[3:22:08] Voice 14: the one that came from Elizabeth Miles in the summer sometime, but I'll forward

[3:22:16] Voice 14: it to everyone just so we have it on record, because it was a very detailed letter, like

[3:22:21] Voice 14: itemizing the Conservancy's specific concerns, and it was from the Conservancy board.

[3:22:27] Voice 14: board. It wasn't from like a remnant person. It was a letter attached to us.

[3:22:35] Voice 14: I'll forward it out. Okay, so just that's the only thing I wanted to just name.

[3:22:43] Voice 14: Where

[3:22:43] Voice 9: are we at, David?

[3:22:45] Voice 8: We're at New Business, so that's demographics and

[3:22:48] Voice 2: then we'll move down to the public court.

[3:22:54] Voice 2: All right. So Brad,

[3:22:57] Voice 14: are you walking us through this or do you just want to ask them?

[3:23:00] Voice 2: No,

[3:23:01] Voice 14: since it's infographics, or just for information.

[3:23:06] Voice 8: Sorry.

[3:23:07] Voice 14: It's okay. We're on page 109.

[3:23:09] Voice 8: It's very important. I don't know if it needs a lot of discussion, but it's really neat for each child to see all of that.

[3:23:20] Voice 8: Because it's so visual, it's quite impactful.

[3:23:24] Voice 9: Can I just say that we...

[3:23:25] Voice 9: It's very important.

[3:23:26] Voice 9: yeah okay um does that that appears on our web page though

[3:23:33] Voice 13: like this

[3:23:34] Voice 9: infographic who gets to see it like

[3:23:38] Voice 14: is it uh maybe i should just read this more clearly

[3:23:41] Voice 14: there so it's a stats kind of uh looks

[3:23:45] Voice 13: like it's sort of trench

[3:23:47] Voice 14: monitoring web page on the website

[3:23:50] Voice 14: so i guess i'm wondering like if it's cool can we attach it to our tender page like seriously

[3:23:55] Voice 14: them like i don't want to put a hug for it on some census pages so can we attach it to our

[3:24:00] Voice 14: um stress page i

[3:24:02] Voice 8: think it already is

[3:24:03] Voice 14: that's what i'm asking

[3:24:04] Voice 8: yeah if i remember the conversation

[3:24:06] Voice 8: that we had at main island and we received it we asked the question and i believe it was said

[3:24:11] Voice 8: every local trust committee page has already been

[3:24:13] Voice 2: put onto there

[3:24:26] Voice 13: on your on your actual page

[3:24:31] Voice 13: so i

[3:24:32] Voice 9: don't know we have an onboard as well it is

[3:24:34] Voice 8: yeah so

[3:24:37] Voice 14: when i drop into the north

[3:24:38] Voice 14: tender page i

[3:24:38] Voice 14: don't see yeah

[3:24:39] Voice 8: so you need to reach out to claire okay

[3:24:43] Voice 14: so can i i think we should as a

[3:24:47] Voice 14: tlpc make a motion to include it because if deb just says hey claire can you put this on page

[3:24:50] Voice 14: she's probably like yeah let's see okay i'm still

[3:24:57] Voice 13: not really clear like where you want it on your

[3:24:59] Voice 13: web page how is that going to be more accessible yeah

[3:25:03] Voice 14: so it's not accessible at all right now

[3:25:06] Voice 14: because it's

[3:25:07] Voice 14: on the census page not on our page um so i'm not a web page designer so i don't know

[3:25:14] Voice 14: where it would go because this i don't i don't actually even see where we're on oh here we're

[3:25:19] Voice 14: at the bottom yes now okay um so maybe it just is like at the bottom underneath the on the main page

[3:25:27] Voice 14: when you drop into the north pender page it's like about your island and it's just hyperlinked

[3:25:33] Voice 14: like a statement that says about your island i'm just cautious

[3:25:38] Voice 4: because i know that the website has

[3:25:40] Voice 4: a specific structure so uh i think you could pass over a solution seeking uh advice from staff on

[3:25:47] Voice 4: weather or something like that because to commit to putting links somewhere here yeah well they

[3:25:55] Voice 4: say no we already have a place for this on the website we don't want to start creating redundancy

[3:25:59] Voice 4: all over our website um but we could create perhaps a blurb that points to that or something

[3:26:05] Voice 4: yeah so

[3:26:07] Voice 14: i'm gonna are you ready pat i'm just gonna like i

[3:26:13] Voice 13: don't think you're gonna need a

[3:26:16] Voice 13: Can you

[3:26:16] Voice 13: put it on the follow-up question?

[3:26:19] Voice 13: Okay, that's great.

[3:26:20] Voice 14: Oh, yeah.

[3:26:23] Voice 14: And, Brad, it's not to make a bunch more work.

[3:26:25] Voice 14: It's just to make it easier for a community to find that.

[3:26:28] Voice 14: I

[3:26:28] Voice 13: get it.

[3:26:33] Voice 8: I get it.

[3:26:35] Voice 8: I get it.

[3:26:36] Voice 14: But these are really cool products, and they're never going to be found in a meeting.

[3:26:42] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:26:42] Voice 8: Okay, so Plumtree Court, what can we do?

[3:26:50] Voice 8: So, I saw that we got some advice from the Ration Planning Manager.

[3:26:56] Voice 3: Yes, I have a great idea.

[3:26:58] Voice 8: So, I don't know if Plumtree has a chance to review that.

[3:27:04] Voice 4: The advice is pretty clear.

[3:27:05] Voice 4: It's been stated and the same advice was given to Plum to report in 2020.

[3:27:14] Voice 4: So we've got three years to roll over, but what they need to do is either seek rezoning

[3:27:19] Voice 4: through an application, which was the advice I gave them last time, and then they could

[3:27:23] Voice 4: seek their feedback through the executive committee, or you could establish it as the

[3:27:29] Voice 4: the project, then you already have your project and full. So

[3:27:34] Voice 4: really, the best approach would be for them to submit an

[3:27:37] Voice 4: application to the Islands Trust seeking that reason. That's the

[3:27:41] Voice 4: only.

[3:27:43] Voice 14: All right. So the challenge that we have is that this rolls into

[3:27:49] Voice 14: the affordable housing developments that we have one

[3:27:52] Voice 14: word change and understand the legality of it. So I guess the

[3:27:58] Voice 14: advice I was seeking is how much trouble are we in we change it

[3:28:01] Voice 13: yeah the local government says for

[3:28:04] Voice 13: user density you cannot without all the statutory process of ensuring readings

[3:28:10] Voice 4: so I understand that

[3:28:13] Voice 4: there's no way that you can amend that bylaw without going through your official bylaw

[3:28:20] Voice 4: okay

[3:28:21] Voice 14: so I started with this whole conversation with I understand that

[3:28:26] Voice 14: um so but the part that i disagree with is that it is a change in user density and i

[3:28:34] Voice 14: completely understand that the word two versus the word multiple is interpreted as a changing

[3:28:40] Voice 14: that's sticking to me what of why we are getting an answer that we can't change it

[3:28:45] Voice 14: is because the word two family dwelling versus multi-family dwelling is considered a change

[3:28:50] Voice 14: changes it's

[3:28:51] Voice 13: in the section for

[3:28:52] Voice 14: years I totally understand that so that's the and so the dilemma

[3:28:58] Voice 14: we're in is that we currently have a zoning density of X number of units there's no desire

[3:29:06] Voice 14: to change that there is a current application going forward to affordable housing they're being

[3:29:11] Voice 14: constrained by our bylaw to have duplexes being built instead of three plexes or four plexes.

[3:29:20] Voice 14: So it actually would be less of an impact instead of more of an impact, but they're constrained by

[3:29:26] Voice 14: the bylaw to a worse environmental decision. So that is my dilemma. I don't know what the

[3:29:36] Voice 14: the solution is. I think the simple solution, if we can't legally change this in a very

[3:29:41] Voice 14: simple high road to change this, then the solution that I would like is I would like

[3:29:46] Voice 14: us to write a letter as the AALTC to accompany the application for affordable housing to

[3:29:54] Voice 14: say that we will work with Pontry Court to shift from the two to multi so that

[3:30:00] Voice 14: can be considered for multi-county so

[3:30:02] Voice 8: if they put an application in we were working with these and

[3:30:07] Voice 8: such you know can that be the statement that there's an application that's been submitted

[3:30:13] Voice 8: okay yeah and

[3:30:15] Voice 8: then and then yeah so the letter that we would send to the housing

[3:30:22] Voice 8: dudes would say. I just keep having

[3:30:27] Voice 8: my internet when I get this file for some reason. So when we

[3:30:31] Voice 8: send a letter to the housing dudes is that we say that there's an application before us

[3:30:36] Voice 8: and we can't federate on this guys. We can say we don't anticipate any barriers or something like

[3:30:45] Voice 8: that. Somehow get them the right wording and saying we're going to approve it.

[3:30:49] Voice 14: Yeah so basically that

[3:30:51] Voice 14: we're working with the country court to um give them a more flexible option um and that please

[3:31:02] Voice 14: consider options towards multiple answers get

[3:31:05] Voice 15: your legal counsel to review the wording so you don't

[3:31:09] Voice 15: get yeah we

[3:31:10] Voice 14: don't want to center it around

[3:31:11] Voice 15: because we can't

[3:31:12] Voice 8: unless can each one of us individually

[3:31:15] Voice 8: usually send a letter yes

[3:31:17] Voice 14: we can because I kept

[3:31:19] Voice 3: our what is what is triggered this

[3:31:24] Voice 3: they're

[3:31:25] Voice 14: submitting an application the application is due in November to BC housing for building out

[3:31:31] Voice 14: another six units of whatever they have the density for already and they have to see because

[3:31:36] Voice 14: of our current bylaw they have to submit it as a duplex application they're not they don't have

[3:31:41] Voice 14: be flexibility the way the current rule because they have to cite the bio bond and the bylaws says

[3:31:47] Voice 14: only two so they have to submit it as duplexes and once that's more encoded like with bc housing

[3:31:53] Voice 14: it's difficult for them to change it back to multi-family so

[3:31:56] Voice 4: they would probably be better

[3:31:57] Voice 4: served to apply with what they want to apply for and then identify where they are in the process

[3:32:01] Voice 4: with seeking their rezoning which they've been

[3:32:04] Voice 4: informed about since yes

[3:32:05] Voice 14: i understand that they

[3:32:07] Voice 14: were just

[3:32:08] Voice 4: saying

[3:32:09] Voice 14: they have multiple persons bored and multiple people have shifted they're not our

[3:32:13] Voice 14: like model that began to do that so like i'm not telling you no i understand that but i also want

[3:32:20] Voice 14: you to get

[3:32:21] Voice 13: that but you cannot move any other okay

[3:32:25] Voice 14: i'm trying to find a way forward so that it works

[3:32:28] Voice 14: for our community i understand there's loss i'm

[3:32:31] Voice 9: trying to figure out okay and it's changed even in

[3:32:37] Voice 9: the

[3:32:37] Voice 13: discussion from meeting to meeting and that's what i didn't understand but i didn't get as much

[3:32:45] Voice 13: time to talk to him it was an as i was running down the driveway to get back to the hall

[3:32:50] Voice 13: kind of a thing we're essentially we're willing to go through the rezoning

[3:32:57] Voice 13: because they weren't looking at using bc housing now an opportunity has come up through bc housing

[3:33:03] Voice 13: to move forward quicker and they've had to change gears they themselves have had to change gears

[3:33:13] Voice 13: again about how they're going to move themselves forward if they want to use this thing and they

[3:33:20] Voice 13: have to be shovel ready that's right when they put their application out and

[3:33:24] Voice 14: so then and the

[3:33:25] Voice 14: other problem is of course they're a bunch of volunteers doing this work across the summer

[3:33:29] Voice 14: where people are here and there and everywhere and so it wasn't that straightforward for them

[3:33:34] Voice 14: to try and figure out how to get all the paperwork in to do that so and i and they you know they've

[3:33:39] Voice 14: had that they've had shifting sort of people involved in that thing so if they put forward

[3:33:43] Voice 14: an application if they just did it and like i know that there are some tensions internally about

[3:33:49] Voice 14: putting forward but you know what suck it up like if they just did it and got it in then

[3:33:55] Voice 14: then we could just name that like in a letter to them saying that you know we have we see and we

[3:34:04] Voice 14: wouldn't be able to say that that we've received a rezoning application until they actually submit

[3:34:09] Voice 14: it but we could once

[3:34:12] Voice 13: we do that support a rezoning application when it arrives

[3:34:17] Voice 8: no but we can't say

[3:34:19] Voice 8: that's 105. at least we can say that there's a there's an application before us in some

[3:34:27] Voice 8: country we can think of something we

[3:34:29] Voice 14: can say we're considering um and we're working with community to

[3:34:33] Voice 14: consider it or whatever i don't know how so i guess that's

[3:34:37] Voice 8: kind of expected you know i don't

[3:34:38] Voice 8: know what i think we would all the time stay in an amazingly simple application like this

[3:34:46] Voice 8: Yes. Administratively, what would be the timeline from submission that we could go thong, thong, thong and have the adaptation finished?

[3:34:56] Voice 4: Because it's an OCP amendment, or no, it's not just a 5090s bylaw amendment, so you would need a minister's approval, so it would be three to four months.

[3:35:07] Voice 4: see that too so

[3:35:08] Voice 8: if they submitted by october 15th we could be looking fairly quickly into the new

[3:35:16] Voice 8: year potentially to be doing so so i so i think that's that maybe trustee morris listens to go

[3:35:25] Voice 8: back that's variety and say yeah sure yeah

[3:35:28] Voice 14: and the other thing i think i want to just clarify

[3:35:31] Voice 14: families is that can they submit to go a little bit hazy on this issue we haven't had our new

[3:35:40] Voice 14: bylaw 224 signed off by the ministry so can they submit a resumption application references

[3:35:46] Voice 14: so

[3:35:47] Voice 13: we can

[3:35:52] Voice 14: go ahead and have them submit the change to bylaw 224.

[3:35:55] Voice 14: Okay. So that's what we need them to do. Okay.

[3:35:59] Voice 14: They literally have sent us the text that they need changed, like the one word, but they need changed in the clause. So that's what we need them to do. We need them to go through their brand new rezoning application and just say that's the thing.

[3:36:13] Voice 14: So,

[3:36:14] Voice 8: Planner Smith, is it generally as simple as making a request for that word?

[3:36:18] Voice 8: They don't have to do surveys or drawings or anything.

[3:36:22] Voice 8: Is it like just a really, really simple request?

[3:36:25] Voice 8: Or

[3:36:25] Voice 4: discretion, so you could require any amount of documents or not.

[3:36:30] Voice 8: I think we need two words.

[3:36:32] Voice 4: But I mean, if you said, oh, well, you know,

[3:36:36] Voice 4: what would be the environmental impact of multifamily versus,

[3:36:41] Voice 4: then you could seek a report from Russia.

[3:36:43] Voice 4: You don't want any of that stuff, but you could just...

[3:36:46] Voice 8: So I

[3:36:48] Voice 14: personally don't want anything, because I actually think that it's, like,

[3:36:53] Voice 14: that becomes more of an issue about, like, how they build it.

[3:36:55] Voice 14: It's within our bio-lock constraints and what those things are already.

[3:36:59] Voice 14: All of those

[3:36:59] Voice 14: things are already there.

[3:37:01] Voice 14: They're not increasing the overall number of units.

[3:37:04] Voice 14: So the

[3:37:04] Voice 8: message back is that we don't need

[3:37:06] Voice 8: anything other than just words change.

[3:37:08] Voice 4: Of course, if they're looking at multifamily, or they're looking for single family,

[3:37:13] Voice 4: or are they looking for wording that's both?

[3:37:17] Voice 4: There

[3:37:17] Voice 14: was a definition in our new one that was specific.

[3:37:21] Voice 14: Multifamily dwellings is the language.

[3:37:23] Voice 13: But that would be where you have more than two units

[3:37:26] Voice 13: in a building, for example.

[3:37:28] Voice 3: Is that

[3:37:29] Voice 13: what they want to do?

[3:37:31] Voice 13: They want to be able to build a three or a fourplex.

[3:37:33] Voice 13: So as long as they're not building single .

[3:37:36] Voice 13: You could change that to multifamily dwellings managed

[3:37:39] Voice 13: by a non-profit.

[3:37:39] Voice 13: That's exactly what they asked.

[3:37:41] Voice 13: The way that they're in a pickle right now

[3:37:43] Voice 13: because they have rezoning for eight but they have water prospects and it's all all of that is

[3:37:51] Voice 13: yeah that's

[3:37:52] Voice 13: my understanding but only infirm is the way it sits right now

[3:37:55] Voice 13: yeah i

[3:37:57] Voice 4: totally get the issue and i totally get that it's the wedge and it's

[3:38:00] Voice 4: a pretty inconsequential wedge and that will grant seeing it is but the statutes

[3:38:05] Voice 4: state yeah

[3:38:06] Voice 13: that was

[3:38:08] Voice 4: nice for sure

[3:38:09] Voice 13: so let's

[3:38:10] Voice 8: try to figure out what the koi is yeah so let's get back

[3:38:13] Voice 8: tell them to get their paperwork in and then we as well the draft committee will do our very best

[3:38:18] Voice 8: to get it expedited but we have statutory requirements yeah

[3:38:22] Voice 4: okay they would have to

[3:38:23] Voice 4: get a fee as well and they would need to seek the reimbursement that's really accepted yeah yeah

[3:38:30] Voice 3: yeah

[3:38:31] Voice 13: i did yeah i talked about it at trust council yeah just to a couple of people

[3:38:38] Voice 13: executive about how i thought that the application was already coming because

[3:38:43] Voice 13: and let's just move okay move

[3:38:48] Voice 8: forward so i think we have a message so the balls in the

[3:38:53] Voice 8: applicant's court okay

[3:38:54] Voice 14: so it's asked me like the solution for this is they submit their rezoning

[3:38:59] Voice 14: They work with new grad to, like, get it in the paperwork for that change.

[3:39:04] Voice 14: They do. They submit the fee. They do all that by October 15, so that we can see it at our next meeting.

[3:39:10] Voice 13: No,

[3:39:10] Voice 14: our next meeting is not until October 15.

[3:39:12] Voice 14: But

[3:39:12] Voice 13: we could all...

[3:39:14] Voice 13: Can we do our W1?

[3:39:16] Voice 13: We

[3:39:16] Voice 14: could. Could we consider it at the October meeting?

[3:39:19] Voice 14: I could bring

[3:39:19] Voice 4: that back to you.

[3:39:21] Voice 4: Well, you could. Yeah.

[3:39:22] Voice 4: You need

[3:39:23] Voice 14: to have an application.

[3:39:25] Voice 9: But

[3:39:25] Voice 4: a question for you.

[3:39:26] Voice 4: Do you have a special meeting if you wanted to receive a preliminary report prior to November

[3:39:34] Voice 4: meeting and direct staff to drop bylaws and then come back to, we would have to be referrals

[3:39:40] Voice 4: on those bylaws.

[3:39:42] Voice 4: So we would need to set those up for referral.

[3:39:44] Voice 4: We could do that sooner than we would be ready for November date.

[3:39:49] Voice 4: As you would need 60 days at least to send some first nations.

[3:39:52] Voice 4: no

[3:39:53] Voice 8: but for the first step i'll say that rwm or could we do it during our october special meeting

[3:39:59] Voice 8: just have a five minute you could put it on there let's do

[3:40:03] Voice 8: that yeah

[3:40:03] Voice 14: so we'll work with them to get

[3:40:05] Voice 14: it in before that meeting like i'll buy the 15th or something that's so just so that it's there

[3:40:11] Voice 8: but to be clear we will have to leave it out

[3:40:15] Voice 8: in the case before october

[3:40:17] Voice 14: Okay, which date do you need to buy it, because,

[3:40:19] Voice 13: like, October 2nd.

[3:40:22] Voice 13: Sweet.

[3:40:25] Voice 13: I think that's fair.

[3:40:27] Voice 14: Whatever works for you guys.

[3:40:28] Voice 14: We're not trying to make it difficult.

[3:40:30] Voice 13: It's fine.

[3:40:30] Voice 13: I think we're just having to clarify the processes.

[3:40:35] Voice 13: Yeah, that's true.

[3:40:36] Voice 8: But I think the message is that all the LTC will be looking for is to change the words.

[3:40:42] Voice 8: We're not looking for any other.

[3:40:44] Voice 13: That's correct.

[3:40:46] Voice 8: We're not looking for any other.

[3:40:47] Voice 8: conditions to that application yeah because

[3:40:49] Voice 8: that makes the best job easier yeah and and

[3:40:52] Voice 8: i

[3:40:53] Voice 14: would think differently about this if there wasn't already proof of water done if there

[3:40:57] Voice 14: wasn't all right like there's a whole bunch of work that's already done that wouldn't change

[3:41:01] Voice 14: anything just the only thing that this changes is whether the building is a duplex or a trimax

[3:41:07] Voice 14: or something like that

[3:41:07] Voice 13: it's arguably better

[3:41:10] Voice 14: it's arguably better that they actually

[3:41:12] Voice 14: but given their site and getting it still the same does and

[3:41:17] Voice 8: i know that the regional planning

[3:41:18] Voice 8: manager is not chucked in so it sounds like we're doing just fine it's because of the wi-fi

[3:41:23] Voice 8: it's because

[3:41:24] Voice 14: i don't go off the roof okay

[3:41:26] Voice 8: so we have an understanding okay

[3:41:28] Voice 14: all

[3:41:29] Voice 8: right um and just

[3:41:31] Voice 14: to say like like i understand that these questions might cause stress because we're like you know

[3:41:35] Voice 14: like trying to find the way to work with the community but not breaking all the rules no

[3:41:41] Voice 14: not used to us just generally like that that might like you know it pushes against the boundaries of

[3:41:46] Voice 14: what is allowed or isn't allowed and we're trying to stay inside that legislatively allowed envelope

[3:41:51] Voice 14: to still do the things that we want to do to in the community that work yeah

[3:41:55] Voice 8: but it's just it's

[3:41:57] Voice 8: so interesting yeah they

[3:42:00] Voice 14: need to fill their paperwork and do their things when they're

[3:42:03] Voice 14: have to do them. Yeah. Yeah.

[3:42:06] Voice 14: Okay, we

[3:42:07] Voice 8: can get it.

[3:42:09] Voice 14: Yeah, I probably would have been a little bit more

[3:42:11] Voice 14: on the ball on July, but I was still in July. So I didn't even follow up on that on either.

[3:42:15] Voice 14: So I should have changed.

[3:42:18] Voice 13: Actually, I thought it was done until the afternoon.

[3:42:21] Voice 13: Okay. So I

[3:42:26] Voice 14: can reach back out. I have been I've got like five taxes here.

[3:42:31] Voice 14: I will reach back out, but I'll CC you on that so that you're in the loop.

[3:42:35] Voice 13: That's the way they can do it for us, just to receive a complete offer.

[3:42:38] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:42:41] Voice 2: Perfect.

[3:42:43] Voice 8: So no other new business?

[3:42:46] Voice 13: I

[3:42:46] Voice 4: did want to talk about your meeting schedule, but I don't know if you want to revisit that next meeting.

[3:42:53] Voice 4: Maybe just a general principle issue.

[3:42:56] Voice 14: Can we talk about that quickly?

[3:42:57] Voice 14: Maybe

[3:42:58] Voice 4: just speak to what that issue is.

[3:43:02] Voice 4: I

[3:43:03] Voice 13: was just looking at what our meeting schedule was this year compared to last year, comparing it to, in my mind, what other islands do, where we're going with our meeting schedule, where, you know, one of the things that has been in front of mind for me lately has been

[3:43:24] Voice 13: um that we've seen even my short time on pender shift in

[3:43:33] Voice 5: the

[3:43:34] Voice 13: expectation i guess by people of

[3:43:38] Voice 13: how quickly things will happen on our island and when i got here the only bumper sticker you can

[3:43:44] Voice 13: buy on pender island is a bumper sticker and we now are sort of pushed to operate at a speed

[3:43:52] Voice 13: as far as you know permits and development applications to hurry up and get it done

[3:44:03] Voice 13: basically and i wonder if in other communities people are starting they're starting to institute

[3:44:09] Voice 13: application windows where you can only apply for a permit during a certain time of year to

[3:44:16] Voice 13: basically control the development about when it goes on your island i don't know

[3:44:22] Voice 13: really tell people that I can't move forward but I don't know that do we have to go as as fast

[3:44:39] Voice 13: as everybody wants us to also balanced with you know some of the things that we're hearing

[3:44:46] Voice 13: from things like trust counsel is how much there is on the staff to get done on a regular basis

[3:44:54] Voice 13: system that everybody is constantly pinched for more so can we do a better job of less

[3:45:01] Voice 13: basically and I know for myself when I have free time to actually sit down and work on something

[3:45:09] Voice 13: and look at it I make better decisions so I know we are headed have been headed towards

[3:45:20] Voice 13: for the sort of Salt Spring-style meeting schedule,

[3:45:25] Voice 13: it had felt like what we were heading.

[3:45:27] Voice 13: But that was what I had heard,

[3:45:31] Voice 13: that we needed to have as many meetings as we had

[3:45:34] Voice 13: because our population was starting to grow.

[3:45:37] Voice 13: We were getting into this sort of,

[3:45:40] Voice 13: we've got to get going.

[3:45:42] Voice 13: And you look at Salt Spring,

[3:45:43] Voice 13: and they have a lot of meetings.

[3:45:44] Voice 13: They also have, I don't know,

[3:45:46] Voice 13: it is 50,000 feet or 20% enough.

[3:45:52] Voice 13: So a

[3:45:52] Voice 2: lot of best

[3:45:54] Voice 13: fits for us.

[3:45:57] Voice 13: So that's, yeah, it just came up

[3:45:59] Voice 13: and then I started looking at it

[3:46:01] Voice 13: and thinking that we do want to be able

[3:46:03] Voice 13: to have community information meetings.

[3:46:05] Voice 13: There's been a few times now

[3:46:06] Voice 13: where we've packed an awful lot into a week

[3:46:10] Voice 13: or a month with meetings

[3:46:14] Voice 13: and the ability to reach out and do more advocacy,

[3:46:20] Voice 13: attend other meetings, other places,

[3:46:23] Voice 13: and how do we balance that all out for a positive?

[3:46:27] Voice 2: So

[3:46:30] Voice 9: I think one of the,

[3:46:32] Voice 9: I

[3:46:32] Voice 14: would push back against that particular narrative.

[3:46:35] Voice 14: I hear it sometimes, but from my experience,

[3:46:40] Voice 14: we've actually been going a little bit more

[3:46:43] Voice 14: toward the slowing down I have

[3:46:45] Voice 14: in community information meetings,

[3:46:46] Voice 14: meetings like in conversations in the last especially i would say since it's over like we

[3:46:52] Voice 14: stopped we had more meetings but there was more like discussion to try and get to the decisions

[3:46:59] Voice 14: that we needed to get to inside the lines but also we had a bunch of special meetings just to

[3:47:03] Voice 14: dig in more into a topic like agriculture or a topic like whatever so and that was like asked

[3:47:10] Voice 14: for um to be able to just slow down the decision making process and get into the conversation more

[3:47:16] Voice 14: deeply so i think that was super helpful um but those weren't application driven meetings those

[3:47:21] Voice 14: were like just just yeah so and then from the application point of view i don't know what the

[3:47:28] Voice 14: history of is or if you have any idea of it but historically i guess the interview staff was

[3:47:35] Voice 14: having regular meetings when i started anyway it's it had 10 regular meetings and um i it graded

[3:47:43] Voice 14: i think on ben and myself both about the the way meetings were structured was difficult to have

[3:47:50] Voice 14: community conversations in those meetings because they're like the the way that and we've gone back

[3:47:56] Voice 14: and forth about why things have to be the way they are blah blah you know so i i advocated for

[3:48:02] Voice 14: more community information meetings around that i would be happy to have six regular meetings

[3:48:08] Voice 14: one every two months to keep it on a regular flow for people um

[3:48:12] Voice 14: there is an issue that as people do

[3:48:15] Voice 14: want to do something because all development is not new development sometimes development is about

[3:48:20] Voice 14: doing something that is like pragmatically like bringing something into compliance or

[3:48:25] Voice 14: um sometimes it's about like like somebody had a thing where they were just like redoing

[3:48:31] Voice 14: their porch thing and it triggered a permit like those are things that are you know renovation

[3:48:36] Voice 14: type things that aren't increasing spaces it's just making stuff work better so there is some

[3:48:43] Voice 14: aspect to what the permits are that is you know you may want them to move faster because they're

[3:48:51] Voice 14: better or like nap tech permits you know like that kind of stuff right conservation permits so

[3:48:56] Voice 14: i think taking all that into account like one meeting every two months is a good regular flow

[3:49:05] Voice 14: as long as we're making decisions and not referring things too much if they really are

[3:49:11] Voice 14: needing to just they're clean and simple and people are you know working well with the planner

[3:49:16] Voice 14: to get all the information in at a timely manner um i wouldn't be opposed to that at all and then

[3:49:22] Voice 14: if we did that we had one regular scheduled meeting every two months then having like maybe

[3:49:29] Voice 14: two or three other regular scheduled meetings that are thought out when we have them that are

[3:49:35] Voice 14: community information meetings

[3:49:36] Voice 14: right that are just discussion

[3:49:39] Voice 14: no decisions are made in them

[3:49:41] Voice 14: and we just have them as community information

[3:49:43] Voice 14: meetings that are like held

[3:49:45] Voice 14: on a Saturday and

[3:49:46] Voice 14: we actually have a conversation

[3:49:49] Voice 14: about some issue people care about because

[3:49:51] Voice 14: what we suck at

[3:49:53] Voice 14: as a trust is

[3:49:56] Voice 14: communication of the

[3:49:57] Voice 14: complex nature of the work in this space

[3:49:59] Voice 14: and the different levels of government and

[3:50:01] Voice 14: maybe we invite regularly Paul Grant

[3:50:03] Voice 14: or like the lehar whatever to that kind of meeting so community can have more of a conversation like

[3:50:08] Voice 14: that's the collaboration role we have i feel like that's what we do it's

[3:50:12] Voice 13: not where we're at

[3:50:13] Voice 13: this

[3:50:13] Voice 4: year you have seven meetings and four special meetings every two months pretty much

[3:50:18] Voice 4: except you moved your march

[3:50:20] Voice 4: meeting around this yeah

[3:50:21] Voice 14: so we're getting there we're moving in that

[3:50:24] Voice 14: direction so but i when we originally started talking about this i was like my ideal would

[3:50:29] Voice 14: be like six regular meetings and like maybe two or three three maybe i think you have to think

[3:50:36] Voice 14: about the summer people are very busy in the summer but like it's also you catch a bunch of

[3:50:40] Voice 14: summer people so like there's pros and cons and

[3:50:42] Voice 13: that was sort of i was like looking at the middle

[3:50:45] Voice 13: of the winter is usually dead you know so there's not as much and the middle of summer can be

[3:50:55] Voice 13: We've got a lot of people that if they are retailers that have, you know, family cottages

[3:51:00] Voice 13: and stuff like that, they might actually be in Long Island to be able to spend some at

[3:51:05] Voice 13: that time.

[3:51:06] Voice 13: But I thought that that is maybe like community information type stuff that's better done.

[3:51:13] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:51:14] Voice 13: No, I just...

[3:51:15] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:51:15] Voice 13: Well, what is

[3:51:16] Voice 8: the green management concern?

[3:51:19] Voice 8: I guess we're getting into the time where they're trying to play off the schedule.

[3:51:22] Voice 8: just maybe just lay out a proposal because a lot of time we just get told this is the thing and

[3:51:30] Voice 8: sort of get the proposed dates out and maybe a little earlier on and we can have a look around

[3:51:37] Voice 8: and figure out what works and what doesn't work yeah

[3:51:41] Voice 14: and the the other piece of information and

[3:51:44] Voice 14: i don't know if you have comments and thoughts on it but one of the other pieces of um

[3:51:49] Voice 14: um thought on that is having like the community information meetings in ways that aren't

[3:51:56] Voice 14: topical like we figure out what those topics are as we get closer they're well advertised in

[3:52:02] Voice 14: multiple ways and um we have like different guests like folks come in but they're not necessarily

[3:52:08] Voice 14: like long drawn out we work with the people to be like and i think those community information

[3:52:14] Voice 14: meetings there's reason why we should alternate who is the chair of those meetings and because

[3:52:21] Voice 14: they're not meant to be like decision-making meetings like this one and so like maybe like

[3:52:26] Voice 14: you host one and i host one and then you most you know so like they're a little and the staff

[3:52:32] Voice 14: takes a like if even if i don't love staff like that's the dilemma we have is those meetings are

[3:52:37] Voice 14: best held on the weekend it's not really that awesome person i have to work on the weekend so

[3:52:43] Voice 8: So my other question is, is Friday still a good day?

[3:52:50] Voice 8: It's

[3:52:50] Voice 14: not a good day for

[3:52:51] Voice 3: our community meetings.

[3:52:53] Voice 8: I don't think it's my favorite day.

[3:52:59] Voice 8: I don't know what your greatest.

[3:53:00] Voice 8: I

[3:53:00] Voice 3: was

[3:53:02] Voice 13: just trying to make it like that in the election process here in people that it was difficult for maybe a more midweek type meeting.

[3:53:12] Voice 13: that's all i'm just trying to accomplish what you can see and i don't know that yeah

[3:53:17] Voice 13: you

[3:53:17] Voice 9: can change

[3:53:20] Voice 13: it to whatever day you want it's not going to make a difference yeah

[3:53:24] Voice 13: yeah

[3:53:24] Voice 14: and i i got i got a bit of grief yeah i

[3:53:28] Voice 14: got a little bit of grief yesterday because somebody

[3:53:30] Voice 14: was like i didn't in their mind it was the third thursday of every month and that day and now they

[3:53:35] Voice 14: can't figure out what it is so you know so from that perspective it doesn't really matter to me

[3:53:41] Voice 14: i just need to know i just need to know ahead of time right

[3:53:43] Voice 8: i just want to get because because

[3:53:44] Voice 8: the friday's um on the first day of the rest of the week i know

[3:53:50] Voice 8: so i just know if that had

[3:53:51] Voice 8: impact on your sauce

[3:53:53] Voice 13: doesn't matter for me yeah nice like last time you met seven times before

[3:53:58] Voice 4: i think that doesn't work you have two meetings in march that was for april that was moved to

[3:54:06] Voice 4: you can probably get rid of that and you can get out with six.

[3:54:08] Voice 4: My view is any less than six and you start to go for a bit of time between

[3:54:14] Voice 1: connecting with your

[3:54:15] Voice 4: community and especially if you have the CIMs in the middle.

[3:54:19] Voice 4: And maybe four CIMs is two minutes, you could target three.

[3:54:22] Voice 4: You could do like this spring, fall and winter run and leave the summer run and then I could go back

[3:54:30] Voice 4: You could even pass a resolution saying directing staff to draft a potential schedule for 6 and 3.

[3:54:40] Voice 13: I

[3:54:41] Voice 8: know with MENA I have a...

[3:54:43] Voice 8: Just for the one-year meetings and one-year CILs?

[3:54:45] Voice 13: Yeah, I

[3:54:45] Voice 14: think that's right.

[3:54:46] Voice 8: On MENA, I know that... I don't know how many meetings it is, but do you know what I mean?

[3:54:51] Voice 8: I think it's like the April meeting is always on the schedule and almost every year we don't have it.

[3:54:56] Voice 8: is that if you get cancelled but also the the opposite thing with the schedule is that you can

[3:55:02] Voice 8: always add meetings in too that's

[3:55:04] Voice 4: true that was good so robert if you were you kind of have a

[3:55:07] Voice 4: four and two or four and three then uh even though they might be loud if you have delegation

[3:55:12] Voice 4: authority uh for your more basic dps uh not saying that a more complex dp like the shade

[3:55:19] Voice 4: one couldn't come to you for a decision but staff would make that decision uh and uh if like your

[3:55:25] Voice 4: projects it's quite a bit of time to leave between project work uh so you may have to schedule special

[3:55:31] Voice 4: meetings sometimes but

[3:55:33] Voice 13: i said i've been reminded before this is not enough for you no sex is

[3:55:38] Voice 13: probably yeah so turn it even where the business is pretty leader it just doesn't feel like we're

[3:55:43] Voice 13: not through yeah so so

[3:55:46] Voice 3: do you need a motion from us or

[3:55:49] Voice 4: any possible motion saying directing the

[3:55:51] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- But they'll just see direct stuff to drop to 2024 meeting schedule with six regular meetings and three students.

[3:56:03] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- For spring or fall

[3:56:07] Voice 14: yeah I would leave off the spring winter and fall I think it's at your discretion, and you can look at the schedule and I'm

[3:56:14] Voice 13: wondering what we've got for topics if the housing conversation takes off.

[3:56:19] Voice 13: Oh,

[3:56:20] Voice 14: there's going to be a lot. There's going to be like, you know, how does SBARs to take into

[3:56:25] Voice 14: that? Yeah.

[3:56:28] Voice 13: No,

[3:56:29] Voice 14: but like the connections of other topics to housing.

[3:56:32] Voice 13: As we go into next year, I feel like it's going to be heavily, like people

[3:56:38] Voice 14: are going to want to

[3:56:39] Voice 13: talk about housing. That's where

[3:56:42] Voice 13: you're starting some of the months of space you can start to

[3:56:46] Voice 2: yeah

[3:56:46] Voice 13: yeah okay

[3:56:49] Voice 2: have you got that motion i

[3:56:56] Voice 5: have a direct staff to draft a 2024 meeting schedule

[3:57:00] Voice 5: with six regular ltc meetings and three community information meetings

[3:57:05] Voice 5: accurate

[3:57:06] Voice 14: that's thank

[3:57:07] Voice 8: you thank you

[3:57:08] Voice 14: i moved that you

[3:57:09] Voice 8: want to sit on the side

[3:57:10] Voice 8: move by trustee morrison second by trustee camel any further discussion um

[3:57:16] Voice 14: maybe just we should

[3:57:18] Voice 14: should also give direction if we want if we care about the day um otherwise we should let brad

[3:57:23] Voice 14: just know that it's open to thursday i'll

[3:57:25] Voice 8: just do it okay yes all right it's a cool question

[3:57:29] Voice 8: that carries um

[3:57:31] Voice 14: well no i think the the question brad is that um you're saying that the friday

[3:57:36] Voice 14: schedule is worse for me well

[3:57:38] Voice 8: it's more complex for me

[3:57:39] Voice 14: yeah so what i'm hearing

[3:57:43] Voice 14: regular meetings so on thursday it might be better i don't care as long as i know in advance i'll just

[3:57:49] Voice 14: make it work um because i'm not going to be coming over that day i'm generally coming over

[3:57:55] Voice 14: maybe four or five still yeah um okay one thing before you do that uh about the the cims one of

[3:58:04] Voice 14: the things i think that can be helpful for our cims is actually doing like um one of them probably

[3:58:12] Voice 14: probably in the spring, like April, May, somewhere a little bit more focused,

[3:58:16] Voice 14: or at least part of it focused on fire management and doing it with fire

[3:58:19] Voice 14: department.

[3:58:21] Voice 14: Because that is the timing coming into the summer season.

[3:58:24] Voice 14: But I think, and I think that's of interest, the flyers, the,

[3:58:28] Voice 14: the, yeah, the salt spring ones that were customized for here.

[3:58:33] Voice 14: Apparently they're like super in, and then I,

[3:58:36] Voice 14: the people who printed them, they're super in demand.

[3:58:38] Voice 14: and um it might be something that we consider of like how can we help support that knowledge

[3:58:44] Voice 14: sharing and like i i that was a question i had for you too brad actually was is i guess it has

[3:58:51] Voice 14: to be a project like are we allowed to use part of our north pender when we support like

[3:58:56] Voice 14: communication objects that are produced in and with various partners

[3:58:59] Voice 3: because the islands trust

[3:59:01] Voice 3: oh

[3:59:02] Voice 13: it has to be a project because

[3:59:04] Voice 14: it's already produced and the islands trust a little bit

[3:59:09] Voice 14: No, and I don't know about that.

[3:59:13] Voice 14: I

[3:59:13] Voice 13: don't put those items around the products,

[3:59:15] Voice 13: but you're just reprinting it?

[3:59:17] Voice 14: If the

[3:59:18] Voice 14: Lioness Trust agrees, it's part of the producer.

[3:59:20] Voice 14: There's five different organizations producing it.

[3:59:22] Voice 14: Send me an email, quick

[3:59:24] Voice 14: email, and I'll

[3:59:24] Voice 4: let you know.

[3:59:25] Voice 4: If it's something I was just produced,

[3:59:28] Voice 4: then maybe you could use some of your budget,

[3:59:30] Voice 4: some of your discretionary budget.

[3:59:31] Voice 4: If it's like the question from Aaron

[3:59:34] Voice 4: around some other groups.

[3:59:37] Voice 4: Dan Eccleston,

[3:59:38] Voice 13: Okay,

[3:59:41] Voice 14: so I'll send it forward, because I looked at I took a look at it came out of the council, it was

[3:59:47] Voice 14: on our desk and just cuts out and the items trust will goes on and so somewhere in the history of it had a.

[3:59:53] Voice 14: Dan

[3:59:53] Voice 13: Eccleston, Laura Patrick was talking about it being.

[3:59:56] Voice 13: Dan Eccleston, Well, this is all spring.

[4:00:00] Voice 13: I don't think that it was the island's SXI or whatever.

[4:00:06] Voice 13: So

[4:00:06] Voice 9: anyway, I'll send you a note about it

[4:00:08] Voice 9: if you can figure out what that is.

[4:00:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:00:13] Voice 9: Thank you.

[4:00:14] Voice 9: Are we done?

[4:00:16] Voice 8: There's some coming meetings,

[4:00:17] Voice 8: but a special meeting scheduled for October 23rd.

[4:00:20] Voice 8: 21st.

[4:00:21] Voice 8: Sorry, the 21st at this hall.

[4:00:23] Voice 8: And the next regular scheduled meeting

[4:00:26] Voice 8: is here November 24th.

[4:00:27] Voice 8: No question for trustees.

[4:00:30] Voice 8: How do you like the space?

[4:00:31] Voice 8: The space?

[4:00:32] Voice 14: Yeah.

[4:00:33] Voice 14: Mixed feelings.

[4:00:34] Voice 14: It might be a little tight sometimes.

[4:00:37] Voice 8: It seemed to be less echoey.

[4:00:42] Voice 8: The

[4:00:42] Voice 4: more I'm concerned is if you did have,

[4:00:44] Voice 4: I haven't seen it yet,

[4:00:46] Voice 4: but you, well,

[4:00:47] Voice 4: if you did

[4:00:50] Voice 13: have a ground swell of people.

[4:00:52] Voice 14: The CIM, I think we should do over there.

[4:00:54] Voice 14: Because we're not sure how many people will be there.

[4:00:57] Voice 8: Are we booking the whole space?

[4:00:59] Voice 8: I think

[4:01:01] Voice 13: she just made a mistake.

[4:01:02] Voice 8: No, but my question is, can we, like, at the day of, can we just make a judgment call?

[4:01:07] Voice 8: We want to be the big space and the little space?

[4:01:10] Voice 8: Can we ask about that?

[4:01:11] Voice 4: I assume they wouldn't mind.

[4:01:15] Voice 4: This

[4:01:16] Voice 8: one just seems to be a lot more comfortable.

[4:01:17] Voice 8: It's warmer.

[4:01:18] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:01:19] Voice 8: You

[4:01:19] Voice 9: could change it around so that people can sit on that couch, and then you're all

[4:01:35] Voice 13: So

[4:01:36] Voice 8: is that our town hall component that we've had that?

[4:01:45] Voice 8: You know.

[4:01:47] Voice 8: All right.

[4:01:48] Voice 8: So what's the week?

[4:01:49] Voice 8: Right now, what do you do?

[4:01:50] Voice 8: Any contributions?

[4:01:52] Voice 8: All right, well, thank you both for sticking it out.

[4:01:56] Voice 8: It is appreciated.

[4:01:59] Voice 8: And we'll do this.

[4:02:00] Voice 8: The motion for adjourn.

[4:02:01] Voice 3: To do.

[4:02:04] Voice 8: All right.

[4:02:05] Voice 8: Well, thank you.

[4:02:07] Voice 8: Thank you, Emily.

[4:02:08] Voice 8: Thank you, everybody.

[4:02:09] Voice 8: To your understanding that.

[4:02:10] Voice 8: That was.