Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, October 12, 2023

[0:00:20] Voice 5: according to life are you ready to go sir technically have a minute but if you get it going

[0:00:51] Voice 5: all right

[0:00:53] Voice 7: then uh good morning everyone i'd like to call this uh meeting of the salt spring island

[0:00:58] Voice 7: local trust committee to order let everyone know that we're live streaming and recording

[0:01:05] Voice 7: the meeting and it'll be on the website in a few days like to begin by acknowledging that we're

[0:01:12] Voice 7: fortunate to be able to gather here today on the territory of the coach salish peoples

[0:01:18] Voice 7: and uh my name is tim peterson i'm elected on the skeedy island i am the chair of the

[0:01:24] Voice 7: salt spring island local trust committee with me our trustees jamie harris and laura patrick

[0:01:31] Voice 7: and staff we have regional planning manager consent and rob pingel all things to all of

[0:01:38] Voice 7: our technical and other wonderful things and uh minute taker sarah sugar um this meeting's

[0:01:47] Voice 7: uh an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use

[0:01:51] Voice 7: planning matters and discuss relevant business and this is also a place of employment and our

[0:01:57] Voice 7: staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace there's times in the agenda when the

[0:02:04] Voice 7: public can speak to an issue and we have a town hall coming up here in a little bit but we'll

[0:02:13] Voice 7: start with the agenda before us i don't know there's an addendum to it and any additions

[0:02:22] Voice 7: changes to the agenda trustee contract a

[0:02:26] Trustee Patrick: couple of things we received some correspondence late

[0:02:29] Trustee Patrick: from gizra the gulf farm senior residents association yesterday requesting a letter

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick: of support if there's a chance that we could talk about that during correspondence

[0:02:39] Trustee Patrick: it's timely for their dc housing applications and i

[0:02:43] Voice 7: don't know if i got that one but that's

[0:02:46] Voice 7: fine we can add that answer

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick: it gets forwarded um and i'll say i i just want to confirm if we

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: want to discuss um during agenda item 8.2 talk a little bit about the province's housing

[0:02:57] Voice 5: action um

[0:03:02] Voice 5: program

[0:03:02] Voice 7: okay so the correspondence

[0:03:06] Voice 7: what did you say it was gizra

[0:03:08] Trustee Patrick: g-i-s-r-a and

[0:03:11] Voice 7: so we'll make we'll do that at

[0:03:15] Voice 7: 9.5 and then the other bit was i

[0:03:19] Trustee Patrick: just wanted to talk during 8.2 the the motion that we had

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: in regard to the being left out of the suites i wanted to talk a bit during that moment so

[0:03:29] Trustee Patrick: just a heads up and then i did send a notice of motion yesterday i wanted to add under 14

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick: a new 14.2 under our project so city landing's bylaw project a notice of motion on public

[0:03:41] Trustee Patrick: engagement process

[0:03:42] Voice 5: so 14.2 notice motion all right uh anything else awesome

[0:03:58] Voice 7: for me thank you

[0:03:59] Voice 7: Okay, so can I take it by general consent, we'll adopt the agenda as amended.

[0:04:05] Voice 5: Alright.

[0:04:09] Voice 7: Okay, so the

[0:04:11] Voice 7: first item here is the town hall town halls an opportunity for the public to

[0:04:15] Voice 7: address your local

[0:04:16] Voice 5: trust committee.

[0:04:23] Voice 5: Please

[0:04:23] Voice 7: direct your comments, the local trust committee and not to other members of public

[0:04:28] Voice 7: or staff and speak about the issues not individuals be concise uh clear and respectful

[0:04:38] Voice 7: and uh doesn't look like we have a massive number of people today so i probably don't have to be as

[0:04:45] Voice 7: strict on the time keeping as i might otherwise so i'll look for a show of hands and see if there's

[0:04:51] Voice 7: anyone who'd like to address the local trust committee this morning all

[0:04:56] Voice 5: right well why don't

[0:04:57] Voice 5: you glad? I

[0:04:59] Voice 4: just walked up the hill. My name is Hanna Brown and I'm here because of the housing

[0:05:09] Voice 4: situation because of, do we call it Bill 530? I'm hoping that, in fact I'm saying

[0:05:20] Voice 4: from my 83 years of wisdom that it's time to find a creative solution to this I have friends

[0:05:32] Voice 4: that are on all different committees who are coming to you as trustees and who are saying

[0:05:41] Voice 4: you can't do this you can't do this and what I'm saying to them and what I'm saying to you Jamie

[0:05:47] Voice 4: And to you, Laura, and I'm sorry, Tim Peterson,

[0:05:52] Voice 4: but I'm just addressing the salt spring people that we have to come up with a creative solution and stop being so set in what we think is the truth.

[0:06:11] Voice 4: I was a philosophy student years ago, in the 60s, in fact, and I never forget the words of a great black philosopher.

[0:06:28] Voice 4: And I say black because there were not many black philosophers in the 1900s.

[0:06:38] Voice 4: and what he said was none of us have all of the truth even all of the truth that there is

[0:06:53] Voice 4: and that really struck me because what i'm addressing with friends on these committees

[0:07:01] Voice 4: is that do they really have do they know first of all what the truth is and do they have

[0:07:13] Voice 4: how much of it do they have my granddaughter is 26 years old she works two jobs on this island

[0:07:23] Voice 4: and do you think she can find anyone to live with besides her grandmother

[0:07:30] Voice 4: moment there are three people in our shelter who are working that's something to think about

[0:07:42] Voice 4: there's an apparently i don't know this firsthand a very wonderful young man who works for thrifties

[0:07:52] Voice 4: who lives in his car and i don't think we can afford to sit around anymore in camps

[0:08:00] Voice 4: I think we've got to find creative solutions and I wish I had them I'm not smart enough

[0:08:10] Voice 4: I'm too old we're not back in the 70s where I thought I could hold the engines

[0:08:18] Voice 4: but Jamie and Timothy and Laura I really thank you to come together to find

[0:08:26] Voice 4: find um some place where it doesn't really matter if we're edges

[0:08:41] Voice 4: challenge we've got to go to the core and um that's what i'm here to say and i thank you for

[0:08:49] Voice 4: for listening to me okay thank

[0:08:55] Voice 5: you for that is there anyone else that wants to speak this morning

[0:08:59] Voice 5: I haven't

[0:09:00] Voice 13: intended to but maybe I will if you'd

[0:09:02] Voice 13: like for a different reason later in the agenda

[0:09:05] Voice 13: but um I actually my name is Ian Kyle I own a campground and there seems to be a real tendency

[0:09:12] Voice 13: for people to kind of struggle to find a place to live here they're moving

[0:09:15] Voice 5: towards our lead living

[0:09:17] Voice 5: and we constantly get people coming in to want to use the our facilities to get rid of their

[0:09:22] Voice 5: separate fire well

[0:09:24] Voice 13: there is no disposal on Salisbury although we have an adequate area

[0:09:27] Voice 13: it seems to be an ideal solution but when we can't have that kind of volume on the system

[0:09:35] Voice 13: so we have to turn people away and their their statement is they're just going to dump it in

[0:09:39] Voice 13: a ditch at the logging room i don't think that's a really good solution for this community i think

[0:09:44] Voice 13: this community should start focusing on how to deal with this issue

[0:09:47] Voice 5: and the easiest issue is

[0:09:49] Voice 5: pull out right next

[0:09:50] Voice 13: to the treatment plant and have an ability to dump your wastewater rather

[0:09:56] Voice 13: rather than just dumping it out onto the open ground.

[0:10:01] Voice 13: It would seem like a logical solution.

[0:10:03] Voice 13: We have lots of small communities up and down

[0:10:06] Voice 13: Vancouver Island and the interior.

[0:10:08] Voice 13: And most of them have a free dump station

[0:10:11] Voice 13: or a partial payment.

[0:10:14] Voice 13: But if we have this

[0:10:16] Voice 13: crisis on housing,

[0:10:17] Voice 13: if people are in RVs and finding homes or whatnot,

[0:10:20] Voice 13: they can't afford the $100 of the cost

[0:10:22] Voice 13: of having someone come by a little set of locations.

[0:10:25] Voice 13: so you can imagine the creative solutions they're coming up with so i think that uh it's it's time

[0:10:31] Voice 13: that this little community actually just put a little paid pull-out show in there

[0:10:36] Voice 13: added the ability for people to dump this black water a lot of it only needs to be

[0:10:40] because

[0:10:41] Voice 13: we're not going to solve the housing crisis overnight this is the interim matter

[0:10:49] Voice 13: you know just drive around how many little rvs are tucked in here and there just for people to

[0:10:54] Voice 13: survive i have a place that's warm and dry and we don't provide them with some basic services

[0:11:00] Voice 13: as a community

[0:11:01] Voice 5: we're going to have a lot of problems that are accepted

[0:11:08] Voice 5: i'm just putting it out there you guys have brains

[0:11:18] Voice 7: probably more crd territory than the local trust committee but yeah

[0:11:23] Voice 7: Yeah, I saw Gary's name

[0:11:25] Voice 13: there, and I thought, oh, yeah,

[0:11:26] Voice 6: we've got a whole package here.

[0:11:28] Voice 6: Yeah, I thought he was

[0:11:29] Voice 6: excluding, when he referred to the people with brains, I thought he excluded me, but I will, Ian has emailed me, certainly aware of the issue.

[0:11:40] Voice 6: I'm told by staff that putting septic, septic into the Ganges plant would create problems with the treatment system there, so that that's problematic.

[0:11:49] Voice 6: Of course, we have a transfer station, essentially, for central sewage down in Burgoyne, but the

[0:11:57] Voice 6: right-of-way does not allow for public access, and that's right-of-way across private property.

[0:12:05] Voice 6: So while I disagree that some solutions seem fairly obvious, that when you get into the

[0:12:14] Voice 6: development detail that's it's a little complicated so yeah i'm not i'm not sure what the answer is it

[0:12:21] Voice 6: may be private sector i i agree that individual problems can be expensive and people will tend

[0:12:29] Voice 6: to avoid that and dispose of their waste in much less uh suitable ways so uh yeah it's a bit of a

[0:12:39] Voice 6: uh come under them at this point

[0:12:40] Voice 13: you can imagine the merchant facility can accommodate those

[0:12:44] Voice 13: the others how is my second yeah

[0:12:49] Voice 6: it's not capacity it's the the nature of the treatment of the nature

[0:12:54] Voice 6: of septage versus sewage sludge which is what they're they're apparently different beasts

[0:13:00] Voice 6: according to staff so my question

[0:13:02] Voice 13: would be why would we invent the wheel and how do you mean

[0:13:05] Voice 13: There's always a set of models that they have already in place that are functioning and haven't

[0:13:11] Voice 7: been functioning for as long as I can remember.

[0:13:14] Voice 7: They've been around for a few years.

[0:13:17] Voice 13: So it's a good idea to investigate what they've done and try to implement that here.

[0:13:22] Voice 13: And it's got to be convenient.

[0:13:23] Voice 13: Sending somebody down the right way with a bit of wheel and tow or whatever, it's not going to happen.

[0:13:29] Voice 13: It's

[0:13:29] Voice 5: got to be convenient.

[0:13:31] Voice 5: If you want it to work, it's got to work.

[0:13:35] Voice 7: Ian's right.

[0:13:36] Voice 7: They're all over the place.

[0:13:37] Voice 7: I've seen them as well.

[0:13:38] Voice 7: like the states or along with interstates,

[0:13:42] Voice 7: you can go over a majority for free.

[0:13:46] Voice 7: A lot of small companies

[0:13:48] Voice 5: have to pay for the arts.

[0:13:52] Voice 5: Marcus, I'll leave it with you.

[0:13:53] Voice 5: Gary, you can have the brains.

[0:13:55] Voice 5: Well,

[0:13:56] Voice 6: it should be clear that for free

[0:14:00] Voice 6: doesn't mean it doesn't cost.

[0:14:02] Voice 6: If the public provides it,

[0:14:04] Voice 6: it means taxpayers are going to fund it.

[0:14:06] Voice 6: So I don't have a ready answer,

[0:14:08] Voice 6: but I do promise to at least pursue it and find out what other communities do and see if there's

[0:14:14] Voice 6: some options when

[0:14:15] Voice 14: I say for

[0:14:16] Voice 6: free I mean for free for the person dumping well clearly the taxpayer

[0:14:20] Voice 6: it's on their dime

[0:14:20] Voice 7: but clearly around here the taxpayer's dime has been spent on more frivolous

[0:14:25] Voice 7: more frivolous types of things so yeah well thank you for that and uh we'll move along then if

[0:14:32] Voice 7: there's nobody else wanting to speak and we have one delegation today um and i believe that's you

[0:14:41] Voice 7: brian yep uh so we'll typically give uh uh 10 minutes um so go ahead great thank you and thank

[0:14:54] Voice 7: you uh trustees uh harris peterson and patrick and hello to director um so a couple of years ago

[0:15:02] Voice 7: Three years ago, Transition Salt Spring produced the Climate Action Plan, which involved, in fact, Laura Patrick and Jerry Horman.

[0:15:13] Voice 7: It's been a couple of years since the plan came out, and plans are useless unless you measure what's happening.

[0:15:24] Voice 7: And with respect to the climate crisis, there's a lot of measuring that needs to happen to see how we're doing against the clock.

[0:15:32] Voice 7: So the goal of the Climate Action Plan was to reduce emissions 50% by 2030 and to help get our island ready, our ecosystems and our infrastructure ready for the changes that are already underway.

[0:15:45] Voice 7: So it had 250 recommendations in 60 areas. All of Transition Salt Stream's programming is based on those recommendations, everything we do.

[0:15:55] Voice 7: and our advocacy to local government will be exclusively based on this new uh report card

[0:16:03] Voice 7: that's just come out it's been has kind of done with the case and in the direct word

[0:16:08] Voice 7: having uh community meetings and meetings to discuss it um so and we have begun engaging

[0:16:17] Voice 7: local officials as well and uh to any of the trustees i welcome an opportunity to do a deeper

[0:16:23] Voice 7: dive on this if you so choose. Next slide please. So the purpose of the report card simply is to

[0:16:32] Voice 7: develop and apply indicators. You need to know what your gas gauge is saying on your car, same

[0:16:39] Voice 7: thing with climate. So we chose a series of indicators that help us get a sense as to what's

[0:16:44] Voice 7: going on in several key areas and it helps us measure our progress but it also helps us focus on

[0:16:52] Voice 7: what our priorities should be. If the tank is empty, we need to do something about that. If

[0:16:57] Voice 7: the tank is full, we need to do something else. Sewage tanks should be good. So the other goal,

[0:17:04] Voice 7: of course, is to use those metrics and those indicators to publicly communicate

[0:17:09] Voice 7: how we're doing in a report card format. So the report card, as you know, we submitted that as

[0:17:16] Voice 7: part of the materials for this meeting. That's a very simple red light, yellow light, green light,

[0:17:20] Voice 7: to show how we're doing in several areas there are areas where there is some green light and that's

[0:17:25] Voice 7: great we need to celebrate those but there are areas where we're not doing well for sure i'm

[0:17:31] Voice 7: going to focus on those until we take a breath in this discussion so we are using the findings

[0:17:36] Voice 7: to collaborate with elected officials and non-adversarial matter very solutions focused

[0:17:42] Voice 7: with local community groups and service organizations and with the public and our

[0:17:49] Voice 7: the goal obviously is to come up with a series of actions that are incremental to business as usual

[0:17:58] Voice 7: because we're not simply not doing it this time next slide oh you're there awesome great

[0:18:04] Voice 16: no

[0:18:05] Voice 7: next slide that's right so the headline we're simply not ready we are behind the eight ball we

[0:18:11] Voice 7: We took a look at all the data, and we're not doing great in terms of achieving the goals of the climate action plan.

[0:18:18] Voice 7: And remember, the climate action plan doesn't have crazy-ass goals.

[0:18:22] Voice 7: Its targets are based on globally accepted kinds of targets, like the 50% emissions by 2030.

[0:18:29] Voice 7: It's pretty accepted, but we're not doing very well in that score.

[0:18:34] Voice 7: We're particularly not ready, like a lot of jurisdictions, like most jurisdictions in the world, for the multiplying climate threats.

[0:18:40] Voice 7: what's not going to be great is the way in which the multiplying threats are working together

[0:18:45] Voice 7: to create greater problems and we're lacking an urgency despite a declared climate emergency at

[0:18:52] Voice 7: the CRD and the Islands Trust that actually deal with climate change in at the level that we deal

[0:18:58] Voice 7: with it so we have a bunch of numbers from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which

[0:19:05] Voice 7: which is the body, the UN body responsible for working with member states to do the research required to look at the depth of the climate problem.

[0:19:16] Voice 7: However, it's an interesting blend of science and politics because obviously the member states have to ratify it.

[0:19:23] Voice 7: So all of the forecasts that I'm seeing, the new numbers are on their own scale.

[0:19:29] Voice 7: I'm not going to go into them here. We don't have enough time.

[0:19:32] Voice 7: but compared to the last data set it's hockey sticking and what's what's particularly scary

[0:19:38] Voice 7: is that if you look at where we are now it's and you cut off the future it looks like it's

[0:19:43] Voice 7: going up but if you remove the page and look to what's coming a lot of indicators are starting

[0:19:49] Voice 7: to hockey stick and that means a lot for us uh in terms of the next slide here then awesome so

[0:19:58] Voice 7: So we've seen some of these things already.

[0:20:01] Voice 7: We have new words in our vocabulary, like atmospheric river and heat dome.

[0:20:04] Voice 7: We're experiencing them on this island.

[0:20:07] Voice 7: And they pose a lot of problems for us.

[0:20:10] Voice 7: And we had the hottest September on record following the hottest August and the hottest July.

[0:20:18] Voice 7: And July was, in fact, the hottest month in the world on record.

[0:20:24] Voice 7: so the data speaks locally we've got you know for example to localize

[0:20:30] Voice 13: it we've got a village center

[0:20:31] Voice 13: that is a lot of which is built on fill and former sea areas uh that

[0:20:36] Voice 7: isn't ready for sea

[0:20:37] Voice 7: level rise we have a fire hall that thankfully is going to move a bit uh a bit uh away from that

[0:20:44] Voice 7: and but we need to we need to really look at the data for salt springs what's actually happening

[0:20:49] Voice 7: the data we're seeing is not good and again i won't have time to go into it today next slide

[0:20:55] Voice 7: so we focus on five key areas force protection water security food security uh transportation

[0:21:01] Voice 7: and food emissions and development structures lots of ways to slice how we look at this but

[0:21:06] Voice 7: this is how we chose to look at it based on the emissions profiles of these areas and their

[0:21:14] Voice 7: climate adaptation potential along with the climate risks associated with each of these

[0:21:19] Voice 7: areas next slide obviously one of the key areas one area where we're working intensely is on

[0:21:27] Voice 7: wildfire risk you just entertained a report from the crd on wildfire risk which talked about that

[0:21:34] Voice 7: maps look awfully like the maps we produced three years ago in this document uh which it's good to

[0:21:41] Voice 7: see that they're in crd in premature on that but we need to do we need to pursue the recommendations

[0:21:48] Voice 7: that i look for and one of those is around collaboration uh we're doing some prototyping

[0:21:53] Voice 7: of strategies to deal with uh the excessive fuel on our forest floors uh and uh but we need to be

[0:22:01] Voice 7: doing that at an island-wide scale not in rinky-dink little projects that an ngo is doing we

[0:22:06] Voice 7: need to supersize that so i'd also like to ask that we build on the work that we have

[0:22:11] Voice 7: started to do together grateful for the funding we received for the workshop last year and previous

[0:22:17] Voice 7: funding was received to support my work there's so much more that needs to be done uh next slide

[0:22:24] Voice 7: you supported a motion to um ask the crd if they would take swipa

[0:22:30] Voice 7: and it's going to become a key focus for transition to see what we can do to make that work

[0:22:37] Voice 7: by discussing with the CRD and with the LCC options for doing something about watershed

[0:22:44] Voice 7: health. SWIFT did not have the capacity, as you all know, to do stuff and we need to do stuff

[0:22:50] Voice 7: in this area. The Connex report provides an awesome framework and we've looked at that and

[0:22:55] Voice 7: we're excited about talking about that with crd but i think that islands trust i look forward

[0:23:00] Voice 7: to islands trust and the crd having meetings on this to actually make operationalize that

[0:23:07] Voice 7: handover uh the local trust committee however can use bylaws and an updated land use bylaw to help

[0:23:15] Voice 7: make watershed planning a reality on this island particularly in the context of climate change and

[0:23:21] Voice 7: the stuff that's coming at us next slide um so obviously the biggest opportunity lgc has is

[0:23:28] Voice 7: around the land use bylaw uh and i omit the ocp because ocps are often not on this island have

[0:23:36] Voice 7: not been entered enough in uh in regulation and there's a lot we can do to define requirements

[0:23:44] Voice 7: for land use and any future development on this island to reduce emissions and to make

[0:23:49] Voice 7: our communities resilient we need to protect our communities from what's coming and the ecosystems

[0:23:53] Voice 7: that support us um you know everything from intensifying our village centers to specifying

[0:24:01] Voice 7: low embodied energy materials concrete versus wood for example uh and uh there are lots of

[0:24:10] Voice 7: requirements in this province with respect to gray water use and uh and black water and composting

[0:24:17] Voice 7: toilets and and rain water for potable uses that the ltc and the island's trust could be advocating

[0:24:24] Voice 7: on with the province to make those rules simpler i've got people i know who are trying to navigate

[0:24:30] Voice 7: uh with viha and beyond it's been great but it's a whole lot of work and uh we need to we need to

[0:24:37] Voice 7: use our water way more efficiently than we currently do um so i look forward to working with

[0:24:43] Voice 7: with the, and all of us have transitioned with the Islands Trust in its upcoming land use bylaw

[0:24:51] Voice 7: and OCP project, and I look forward to hearing about what the scoping on that's going to be,

[0:24:55] Voice 7: and I really urge you to cast a net wide and have a lot of expert input into that to make sure that

[0:25:02] Voice 7: we're doing the right thing and give meaning to the declaration on the OCP that the Islands Trust

[0:25:08] Voice 7: has declared and so this really does mean building a land use bylaw around the climate risks we

[0:25:15] Voice 7: face and we're not talking about putting everybody out of work here there's a lot of work that we

[0:25:20] Voice 7: need to do to actually protect our community and our island our ecosystems and our homes

[0:25:26] Voice 7: from the changes that are coming next slide i think that's it final notes it was the most

[0:25:34] Voice 7: difficult thing about this project from the Climate Action Plan was the lack of data.

[0:25:40] Voice 7: Yeah, the CRD and the Islands Trust have pools of data, but as you'll see in the report,

[0:25:44] Voice 7: there are lots of gaps in that data. And if you're to be preserving and protecting

[0:25:50] Voice 7: whatever it is the Islands Trust is charged with protecting, it seems unclear sometimes,

[0:25:56] Voice 7: then there needs to be more attention to the kind of data that we need to be looking at to know

[0:26:01] Voice 7: to know what's happening with all of that so in december up until december we're going to be

[0:26:06] Voice 7: working we have a whole set of proposed actions that will be uh we're basically now shopping

[0:26:13] Voice 7: around to elected officials including yourselves uh and uh allied groups ngo service organizations

[0:26:20] Voice 7: to come up with a consensus set to see what we can do to build a consensus around the incremental

[0:26:26] Voice 7: incremental actions we can take at the CRD level, LCC level, at the island stress level.

[0:26:32] Voice 7: So I look forward to working with you. And again, I really, if you, I would love to present a staff

[0:26:40] Voice 7: on the details in this report, love to give you a deeper dive on what the implications are and

[0:26:46] Voice 7: what the proposed solutions are. And that's kind of all I have time for today. I'm happy to answer

[0:26:51] Voice 7: answer questions but that's uh basically my hello here's the report card let's talk thank you very

[0:26:57] Voice 7: much thank you for that any questions just a

[0:27:02] Trustee Patrick: couple of comments thanks for thank you for

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: coming today yeah

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: right um and our last meeting you'll see in the minutes that's over our last

[0:27:10] Trustee Patrick: meeting we specifically added to the uh the business case for the ocp land use bylaw review

[0:27:18] Trustee Patrick: you the report from CRD, the Wildfire Resiliency Management Plan, and the specific recommendations

[0:27:27] Trustee Patrick: from that plan in regard to this body. So we have recognized that. Another, I was at UBCM

[0:27:36] Trustee Patrick: a couple weeks ago, and I attended the Climate Action and Forest Management session that was put

[0:27:43] Trustee Patrick: by the ministry of forests and they have a new um subgroup it's called the future forests

[0:27:48] Trustee Patrick: ecosystem center

[0:27:50] Voice 5: um

[0:27:51] Trustee Patrick: and colin mahoney is the head of that and he presented along with the chief

[0:27:57] Trustee Patrick: forester and and now they're they're they're very specific to forest block lands as ministry of

[0:28:04] Trustee Patrick: forests but uh the work coming out of that center it left the room silent when he was reporting on

[0:28:10] Trustee Patrick: the data that they have and what's going on and there's some interesting you know learnings from

[0:28:16] Trustee Patrick: the forest they're doing using forest landscape plants things that we could pick from that from

[0:28:22] Trustee Patrick: our community and build off but it's not it's not you know their system doesn't apply here because

[0:28:27] Trustee Patrick: we don't have big forest blocks but something to learn from well

[0:28:32] Voice 7: you've also got some free

[0:28:34] Voice 7: We sweatshop, rate resources, add your fingertips.

[0:28:38] Voice 7: I urge you to use them.

[0:28:40] Voice 7: We've had a lot of community input.

[0:28:42] Voice 7: We've got university students, high school students,

[0:28:44] Voice 7: even elementary school students learning up the mountain.

[0:28:48] Voice 13: It's a beautiful thing.

[0:28:49] Voice 13: So if

[0:28:49] Voice 5: there's stuff you want to try,

[0:28:51] Voice 5: North Salt Spring would only be too glad.

[0:28:56] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[0:28:56] Voice 5: Gary has a couple of comments.

[0:28:58] Voice 5: Thanks, Chairman.

[0:28:59] Voice 6: Thanks, Brian.

[0:29:00] Voice 6: As always, for your work and the work that Transit Shears has been doing,

[0:29:03] Voice 6: it's pretty amazing.

[0:29:04] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:29:05] Voice 6: can accomplish with a bit of help

[0:29:10] Voice 6: so i've provided a six-page summary of the various initiatives none of which are big huge

[0:29:18] Voice 6: things a whole bunch of smaller things i'll send that to the local trust committee and also

[0:29:24] Voice 6: presented to the lcc so i would agree it came up with the crd board which meant yesterday uh

[0:29:32] Voice 6: yesterday that, in fact, at the regional level, in terms of emissions, we're kind of flatlined.

[0:29:41] Voice 6: So we're making progress, at least regionally, on a per capita basis.

[0:29:46] Voice 6: On a per capita basis, I think the GHG per person has been declining fairly significantly,

[0:29:55] Voice 6: but because we're adding population, which is also true for salt spring.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: In absolute terms, we're basically flatlined in terms of emissions.

[0:30:05] Voice 6: I'm of the view, and I know it's not entirely popular among folks who are advocating for climate action,

[0:30:14] Voice 6: that what Salt Spring does in terms of GHG emissions is really neither here nor there.

[0:30:20] Voice 6: It's the U.S., and I realize that sounds like we're passing the buck, but it is the reality.

[0:30:26] Voice 6: but we we can do some things and the good news about emission reduction is that typically there

[0:30:33] Voice 6: are significant co-benefits so for example if a household installs a heat pump uh that's savings

[0:30:40] Voice 6: for the household some of that money gets respent in the local economy same with if you uh if you

[0:30:47] Voice 6: when you're getting a new car you buy an ev uh and instead of paying for gas you're paying for

[0:30:55] Voice 6: electricity costs much lower again an increase in disposable income um and so that that's the

[0:31:04] Voice 6: in my view the the probably the more compelling rationale for reducing emissions is that it's

[0:31:10] Voice 6: also a good investment in terms of businesses individuals uh organizing organizations uh the

[0:31:18] Voice 6: The CRD, I think I forwarded to Transition, just published the emissions inventory, which we update, higher up, so we update every two years.

[0:31:30] Voice 6: And that data speaks to the conclusions that you've come to with respect to Salisbury.

[0:31:37] Voice 6: We're not making a whole lot of progress on GHG emissions.

[0:31:40] Voice 6: There was a motion that the board passed at its recent meeting, requesting staff to come

[0:31:51] Voice 6: back with innovative ways in which we can make more progress.

[0:31:56] Voice 6: The CRD involvement primarily has been with EV charging, in other words, to provide the

[0:32:04] infrastructure that will encourage people to uh to switch from uh fossil fuel vehicles to ev

[0:32:11] Voice 6: and on salzburg of course that uptake has been quite significant not not necessarily because

[0:32:17] Voice 6: of what crd is doing it is because of what uh an engineer which is a subgroup of transition

[0:32:26] Voice 6: So at Transit, over time, that's a key thing that CRE can do, and over time we have expanded the system.

[0:32:35] Voice 6: Ridership has grown quite steadily until COVID kind of nailed us to the wall.

[0:32:44] Voice 6: That ridership is recovering, and we look forward to expanding that system in the future.

[0:32:50] Voice 6: So there's a lot of little things, you know, in relation to the problem, little things that CRE has and can do.

[0:33:01] Voice 6: But I think we need to focus more, as you have, and as Cap too, the difference between this climate report and the previous climate action report back in 2011 is the inclusion of adaptation.

[0:33:15] Voice 6: Yeah. That regardless of what we do, that in fact, regardless of what even larger countries do, there are climate changes baked in that are going to result in ever increasing temperatures and extreme weather events.

[0:33:31] Voice 6: And we need to be focusing more on kind of resiliency at GHG missions.

[0:33:40] Voice 6: Yes, let's continue to work on that. Thanks, Chair.

[0:33:45] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:33:46] Voice 7: that's the pivot we've made is to climate change adaptation, and we don't actually do a lot of advocacy on electric vehicles anymore because market transformation is happening on that area.

[0:33:57] Voice 7: So to your conclusion, I know you need to move on, but I really do appeal to all of you, including you, Trustee Harris.

[0:34:03] Voice 7: us we've we've talked before there's been a fair amount of silence lately um this is there's a

[0:34:10] Voice 7: there are a lot of benefits here that we can bring to our community by addressing these issues thank

[0:34:14] Voice 7: you very much hey thank you

[0:34:17] Voice 7: so we'll move on now to the trustee report section who'd like to go

[0:34:22] Voice 7: first i'd love to nothing

[0:34:25] Voice 5: to report thank you all right uh trustee patrick oh well i'm sorry

[0:34:39] Voice 5: Yeah, since last week, two

[0:34:41] Trustee Patrick: kind of large events have occurred since our last meeting, UBCM in Vancouver and Trust Council in Alexander Island.

[0:34:49] Trustee Patrick: I am preparing a separate report on UBCM, which is kind of busy, but I will get a report out in public as soon as I possibly can.

[0:34:58] Trustee Patrick: And I'm sure Trustee Peterson might speak a bit more about some of the decisions that came out of Trust Council.

[0:35:04] Trustee Patrick: I wanted to talk this morning about decisions facing us, the three of us sitting up here.

[0:35:12] Trustee Patrick: For the past five years, I've been observing and trying to make sense of the divisive nature of nearly every conversation we have on this island.

[0:35:22] Trustee Patrick: I frequently revisit San Juan County's comprehensive plan that was recently updated.

[0:35:28] Trustee Patrick: it's full of useful and relevant information but in the introduction to their vision they said

[0:35:34] Trustee Patrick: they put right in their report they go participants noted where the vision excluded

[0:35:39] Trustee Patrick: some members of the community and took steps to adjust to better represent the true makeup

[0:35:47] Trustee Patrick: of the islands do we believe the vision for salt spring really represents the true makeup of our

[0:35:54] Trustee Patrick: our island today? I don't think so. Why is that? I found a really interesting research paper that

[0:36:02] Trustee Patrick: is really helping answer a lot of the questions for me. It says, the title of it is,

[0:36:06] Trustee Patrick: When Nowhere Becomes Somewhere, Gentrification in Rural Communities and How Proactive Community

[0:36:13] Trustee Patrick: Planning and Progressive Property Valuation Systems Can Stem the Tide. It describes several

[0:36:19] Trustee Patrick: several factors that define rural gentrification, such as shifting from the traditional agricultural

[0:36:25] Trustee Patrick: and resource extraction, catering to servicing the amenity-driven market, and the desire

[0:36:33] Trustee Patrick: of the new population to buy into a version of the rural, idyllic lifestyle that the new

[0:36:39] Trustee Patrick: residents perceive

[0:36:40] Voice 5: exists. Not only do the new residents buy into this version

[0:36:47] Trustee Patrick: of the

[0:36:48] Trustee Patrick: the rural idyllic lifestyle, while well-meaning,

[0:36:52] Trustee Patrick: they place such a high value on the preservation

[0:36:55] Trustee Patrick: of this rural idyllic lifestyle

[0:36:57] Trustee Patrick: and the culture that surrounds them,

[0:36:59] Trustee Patrick: that they inadvertently devalue other residents

[0:37:02] Trustee Patrick: who may have equally strong ties to the land,

[0:37:05] Trustee Patrick: but have chosen to pursue other economic,

[0:37:07] Trustee Patrick: social and cultural opportunities.

[0:37:10] Trustee Patrick: This drive to protect this dilutes the ability

[0:37:17] Trustee Patrick: of the original residents to determine the community's future and identity.

[0:37:22] Trustee Patrick: This paper is a really good read. I really recommend you get into it. It talks about

[0:37:27] Trustee Patrick: other things like how the new residents put value on the beauty of the land and its natural state

[0:37:32] Trustee Patrick: versus the old economy that was derived from the use of land, or what we call land-rich,

[0:37:37] Trustee Patrick: cash-poor. It concludes by saying, ultimately, governments, in fulfilling their responsibilities

[0:37:43] Trustee Patrick: to protect their citizens and to promote the general welfare, ought to promote smart growth

[0:37:49] Trustee Patrick: that doesn't cause displacement of low-income residents

[0:37:52] Trustee Patrick: and the destruction of the rural communities.

[0:37:55] Trustee Patrick: So why is this all important?

[0:37:57] Trustee Patrick: What can we do?

[0:37:59] Trustee Patrick: Let's face it.

[0:38:00] Trustee Patrick: We're not really good at public engagement,

[0:38:02] Trustee Patrick: not good at engaging with First Nations.

[0:38:05] Trustee Patrick: We struggle to get the participants

[0:38:07] Trustee Patrick: who represent the diversity of the islanders

[0:38:10] Trustee Patrick: that may be impacted by the land use decisions that we make.

[0:38:14] Trustee Patrick: For example, we're going to be considering

[0:38:16] Trustee Patrick: the accessory dwelling units later today.

[0:38:18] Trustee Patrick: Have we heard from the islanders that are experiencing challenges in finding housing?

[0:38:24] Trustee Patrick: Have we heard from the employers who are having challenges finding housing for their employees?

[0:38:29] Voice 5: Who have we heard from?

[0:38:31] Voice 5: Who's influencing the decisions we need to make?

[0:38:35] Voice 5: Are we seeing some exert their power and privilege?

[0:38:40] Voice 5: Interesting questions.

[0:38:41] Trustee Patrick: Engagement processes that fail to address barriers and systemic inequities may be causing more harm than good,

[0:38:48] Trustee Patrick: at reinforcing power imbalances,

[0:38:50] Trustee Patrick: leading to poor decisions that do not serve

[0:38:52] Trustee Patrick: the community's needs,

[0:38:54] Trustee Patrick: just decreasing their trust in this agency.

[0:38:58] Trustee Patrick: I'll be introducing a motion later today

[0:39:00] Trustee Patrick: to develop an equity-based public engagement strategy

[0:39:03] Trustee Patrick: for our work going forward.

[0:39:05] Trustee Patrick: And I'd like to end with quoting Rain Daniels,

[0:39:08] Trustee Patrick: an indigenous educator and trainer from SFU.

[0:39:11] Trustee Patrick: Someone needs to have power to say,

[0:39:15] Voice 5: we're going to include you and that's us thank you okay so moving on then uh next is the chair's

[0:39:28] Voice 7: report um i was at the union of bc municipalities meeting in september um had the opportunity to to

[0:39:40] Voice 7: randomly bumped into the premiere a couple of times and uh took the opportunity the second time

[0:39:46] Voice 7: to speak to the the lack of inclusion that Islands Trust has in a lot of provincial funding

[0:39:56] Voice 7: initiatives and programs and I don't know how deeply that sunk in but we got to have maybe a

[0:40:04] Voice 7: four-minute conversation which when you're ragging the premier's ear that's that's you know

[0:40:10] Voice 7: someone at my level that's actually kind of good um and i followed that up with a letter

[0:40:16] Voice 7: haven't got a reply but at least put the bug in the air uh we met with the uh the minister of

[0:40:23] Voice 7: municipal affairs of course is in in charge of islands trust and uh we uh our main request was

[0:40:31] Voice 7: for more frequent and regular meetings and that was uh met with the willingness to to do that so

[0:40:37] Voice 7: So that was good news.

[0:40:39] Voice 7: We also met with the Minister of Transport,

[0:40:42] Voice 7: again, requested more frequent meetings.

[0:40:45] Voice 7: And that was also met with, well, well received.

[0:40:51] Voice 7: And, but our main request for the Minister of Transport

[0:40:56] Voice 7: was to look at the provisions

[0:41:00] Voice 7: in the Memorandum of Understanding

[0:41:02] Voice 7: for a task force on transportation issues

[0:41:05] Voice 7: and um uh that was very well received he said oh we have that in there let's do it so that was

[0:41:13] Voice 7: that was good uh no uh no arm twisting necessary there he was just willing to to get that started

[0:41:21] Voice 7: so this that's a that's a good thing um uh with roads ferries uh ferry terminals

[0:41:32] Voice 7: um amongst all the islands uh these are all really important issues for islanders

[0:41:39] Voice 7: one of the things that we got a little bit in depth with um because of the assistant deputy

[0:41:46] Voice 7: minister's comment was talking about active transportation measures and i the thing i

[0:41:54] Voice 7: brought up there was that when we talk about active transportation and especially visitors

[0:41:59] Voice 7: visitors coming to islands there's a transition point between the ferries and active transportation

[0:42:06] Voice 7: routes and that needs to be made safe and usable for folks on bicycles and walking and

[0:42:15] Voice 7: um this isn't Deputy Minister uh felt that rather than widening roads that uh um

[0:42:26] Voice 7: putting energy into actual separated routes for active transportation was actually a better and safer concept.

[0:42:34] Voice 7: So that was sort of his position, which was good to hear.

[0:42:38] Voice 7: So we did have that conversation a little bit.

[0:42:42] Voice 7: The council was on Tender Island for last.

[0:42:50] Voice 7: And there are some decision highlights that are going out to be made public.

[0:42:57] Voice 7: um we came to a statement of consensus on the um the the meaning of the object of the

[0:43:05] Voice 7: island's trust which um having been uh this is my third term as trustee this is actually

[0:43:13] Voice 7: big compared to what's happened in the last two terms for uh trust council to to come to an

[0:43:19] Voice 7: agreement uh about what statement means and um and that is uh the highlights are going to get

[0:43:28] Voice 7: published i think today or tomorrow and the there's i think this the uh actual statement

[0:43:34] Voice 7: uh consensus statement is actually out on the website already um so that was that was good

[0:43:42] Voice 7: that was i was really happy we got to that and that was brought to trust council by the

[0:43:47] Voice 7: the Governance Committee, which all three members of this Local Trust Committee are on.

[0:43:53] Voice 7: So yay Governance Committee for doing that work and bringing it to Trust Council.

[0:44:00] Voice 7: We did some work on a vision statement.

[0:44:04] Voice 7: There's still more work to be done.

[0:44:07] Voice 7: And the corporate planning process is coming along.

[0:44:13] Voice 7: long uh trust council has endorsed the work of the financial planning the subcommittee uh

[0:44:20] Voice 7: working group which trustee patrick is on and uh with the with the support of the governance

[0:44:27] Voice 7: committee uh to work towards a new longer term uh planning process which integrates strategic

[0:44:35] Voice 7: planning and and budget um which is new territory for islands trust but i i think has a lot of

[0:44:43] Voice 7: potential to work better to provide more long-term surety in terms of what uh budgetary and strategic

[0:44:53] Voice 7: um intersection uh trust council endorsed the recommendations from the office of the

[0:45:02] Voice 7: ombudsperson uh in relation to bylaw enforcement and uh referred that those um recommendations to

[0:45:11] Voice 7: the regional planning committee and so regional planning committee will be looking at those more

[0:45:17] Voice 7: in depth and um and hopefully we'll be getting some recommendations back from regional planning

[0:45:23] Voice 7: committee on on next steps for trust council to help ensure that the violent enforcement

[0:45:31] Voice 7: processes are fair

[0:45:33] Voice 5: and equitable and i think that's i'll just conclude it there

[0:45:42] Voice 5: trustee cutters i

[0:45:43] Trustee Patrick: do well i just i wanted to follow up on your comment about the active

[0:45:45] Trustee Patrick: transportation from ubcm i attended the small talk forum and moti was there and had presented some

[0:45:52] Trustee Patrick: recent data that they had on active transportation they found 51 percent prefer complete separation

[0:45:58] Trustee Patrick: for bike trails one percent sure

[0:46:02] Voice 7: and from a safety point of view that makes absolute sense

[0:46:05] Voice 7: it

[0:46:05] Trustee Patrick: was a very small percent they called that was like the go for it fear among people that

[0:46:15] Voice 7: Yeah, I see some hands up but generally what we prefer you to address the local trust committee in the in the town hall section and this is this is our work session here.

[0:46:31] Voice 7: Okay, so we do have a CRD director here today. So we'll give Mr. Holman some space to report out to the community here.

[0:46:40] Voice 7: thanks chair and

[0:46:41] Voice 6: apologies for missing the last meeting our new lcc inadvertently set

[0:46:47] Voice 6: their meeting time and completely uh we noticed because there was hardly anyone here yeah um

[0:46:53] Voice 6: uh anyway we fixed that as has been my presence today and before i forget uh

[0:47:02] Voice 6: uh then i'll get this here to speak to um what i believe is on the trust committee agenda around

[0:47:09] Voice 6: a support letter for an infrastructure grant application for a detailed design for carbon

[0:47:14] Voice 6: walk and also before i forget um the uh the mission by the provincial government of electoral

[0:47:23] areas with respect to the sweet incentive program

[0:47:26] Voice 6: i understand you've raised it uh directly with the

[0:47:30] Voice 6: minister as has emily olsen of assyria yesterday approved my motion to send a letter to the minister

[0:47:38] Voice 6: Mr urging them to include electoral areas in the suite incentive program I guess the it's kind of

[0:47:47] Voice 6: good news bad news today the bad news is this year he's considering it's a 2024 budget we're

[0:47:53] Voice 6: on a calendar year basis not a fiscal year and at this point we're considering a provisional budget

[0:48:02] Voice 6: which the seery board will consider october 25th and then the final budget is approved in march

[0:48:10] Voice 6: and so the provisional uh budget that includes uh local community commission

[0:48:20] Voice 6: direction regarding the services overseas

[0:48:24] Voice 6: that that will be considered by the board october 25th

[0:48:28] Voice 6: Overall, at this point, the provisional CRD requisition increase is about 9.5%.

[0:48:37] Voice 6: So I've been a director for four teams.

[0:48:41] Voice 6: That is by far the largest requisition increase proposed in a provisional budget.

[0:48:47] Voice 6: I know the LCC and myself will be, and perhaps the CRD board, will be looking at ways to reduce that impact.

[0:48:56] Voice 6: impact but but it is um it it is it's a very difficult uh budget this year uh the LCC is

[0:49:04] Voice 6: having a town hall tonight um at the other the middle school building starting at five o'clock

[0:49:10] Voice 6: and also there'll be an ask session also within school um this Friday focused on the budget so

[0:49:18] Voice 6: folks can uh come and understand ask questions uh make suggestions around the CRD budget but

[0:49:25] Voice 6: It definitely is a difficult year.

[0:49:28] Voice 6: The main driving factors are inflation and also wage and salary settlements, negotiated settlements that are driven by inflation.

[0:49:39] Voice 6: So for series staff, it's in the order of four and a half percent, which, again, is higher than typically it's around two percent.

[0:49:48] Voice 6: But again, it's correlated with inflation and also some continuing hangover from COVID deficit carryovers, particularly in parts of Iraq, like the pool, revenues in particular, transit.

[0:50:05] Voice 6: We struggled just to speak to the climate action.

[0:50:11] Voice 6: We struggled with the last few years just to keep service levels for transit at current levels.

[0:50:20] Voice 6: COVID really impacted transit ridership.

[0:50:23] Voice 6: In fact, at one point there was a mandate that 24 seat buses could only have six people in the bus.

[0:50:30] Voice 6: So it really handled our revenues. And what that resulted in is a bit of a deficit hangover,

[0:50:35] Voice 6: which we're that's that's one of the the deficit carryovers that the LCC which oversees the

[0:50:44] Voice 6: transportation function is trying to deal with um and also the middle school costs of the middle

[0:50:50] Voice 6: school um what are are I think it's safe to say higher than expected significantly higher than

[0:50:57] Voice 6: expected so these are a number of the factors that are driving our requisition increase hopefully

[0:51:03] Voice 6: we can find ways to reduce it somewhat but even if we do reduce it i suspect it's still going to be

[0:51:10] Voice 6: probably the highest requisition increase that i've experienced over the last

[0:51:14] Voice 6: couple of decades um some good news uh the uh salt spring has been granted uh almost two million

[0:51:23] Voice 6: dollars in growing community funding which is provincial funding preventive funding routed

[0:51:28] Voice 6: through the CRE board and the major portion of that 1.3 million will be dedicated to

[0:51:36] Voice 6: removing pinch points in the Ganges sewer system and by removing those pinch points it will

[0:51:45] Voice 6: free up capacity for staff estimated an additional 500 housing units so if we do want housing in and

[0:51:53] Voice 6: around Ganji's village, at least in terms of the sewer capacity, that growing community fund is

[0:51:59] Voice 6: going to be quite helpful. And the CRD has been publicly reported, and thanks to Dan Ovington's

[0:52:08] Voice 6: good work, we have received $560,000 infrastructure funding to upgrade Centennial Park, the plaza,

[0:52:16] Voice 6: and lighting, and along with community works funding. And I believe that contract has been

[0:52:21] Voice 6: awarded now uh it's not necessarily my top priority um but sometimes you go where the

[0:52:27] Voice 6: funding leads you and in this case the funding is less i mean it's a good thing that we're

[0:52:33] Voice 6: we're upgrading the the park um uh in in case that that uh work will be started i believe this

[0:52:42] Voice 6: this winter and

[0:52:50] Voice 6: we've also just fairly recently discovered that the envelope for the swimming pool, our indoor

[0:52:56] Voice 6: swimming pool, it's been substantially compromised and that we have to fix that envelope or we're

[0:53:03] Voice 6: going to have to close the pool so the LCC has approved the staff recommendation to go to

[0:53:09] Voice 6: There'll be a public consultation process associated with that, in the order of one

[0:53:14] Voice 6: and a half million to address that pool envelope.

[0:53:19] Voice 6: It's one example of, particularly for parks and rec facilities, we own millions of dollars

[0:53:30] Voice 6: of infrastructure that's aging and needs to be upgraded, that pool is one example of that.

[0:53:38] Voice 6: there are other examples as well uh the lcc also approved a staff recommendation to proceed with

[0:53:47] Voice 6: a dewatering strategy down at burgoyne bay that's where our liquid waste goes

[0:53:52] Voice 6: we are shipping that liquid waste off island which is almost 99 uh we're shipping that off to the

[0:54:01] Voice 6: tune at a cost of about six hundred thousand dollars a year if we can dewater our liquid waste

[0:54:08] Voice 6: the we can potentially save taxpayers hundreds of thousands of years but we're gonna have to

[0:54:13] Voice 6: make the investment upfront to do that um the so the lcc approved a public consultation process

[0:54:20] Voice 6: around uh the proposed um dewatering measures and there there will be a voter approval process

[0:54:29] Voice 6: process for probably something in the order of $2 million to address that problem. But that $2

[0:54:35] Voice 6: million investment will result in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in savings.

[0:54:41] Voice 6: So the payback will be within a matter of a few years. It's an investment that will have a very

[0:54:49] Voice 6: high rate of return and uh just the last thing of the crd will be a serious staff will be bringing

[0:54:58] Voice 6: a rural housing strategy and program forward to the crd board at the beginning of december

[0:55:05] Voice 6: we have some idea of some of the key elements of that uh that program uh there will likely be a

[0:55:13] Voice 6: a dedicated uh staffer for electoral areas around housing coordination uh pre-development funding so

[0:55:21] Voice 6: for example if an ngo has a piece of land that are investigating water waste disposal feasibility

[0:55:28] Voice 6: uh it's that that's difficult funding to obtain but it's necessary work to determine the

[0:55:35] Voice 6: the feasibility and the servicing requirements for affordable housing uh it will also very

[0:55:42] Voice 6: likely include incentives for suites uh and this would be in addition to hopefully the

[0:55:47] Voice 6: products including these in their uh sweet incentives um so the sweet incentive uh

[0:55:54] Voice 6: program for crd if i'm betting i'm betting that the probability of that happening through crd

[0:56:01] Voice 6: may be higher than the province agreed to include us new figures crossed on that but very definitely

[0:56:10] Voice 6: And that may have implications for what the trust is doing with respect to bylaw 530 ADOs, ADUs, sorry, if we can focus those street incentives in and around the village to deal with water conservation, those kinds of things.

[0:56:28] Voice 6: um it so i think it's something that the that the trust committee should be considering uh the

[0:56:35] Voice 6: actions that crd is taking when it's considering its affordable housing programs um there there

[0:56:42] Voice 6: is an interesting um development related to the crd rural housing uh there's a southern gulf

[0:56:51] Voice 6: Islands Tourism Partnership which was established several years ago and that non-profit society

[0:57:00] Voice 6: which was in part established by the CRD and to which the CRD actually contributes funding

[0:57:07] Voice 6: on an annual basis it receives revenue from the so-called hotel tax so that otherwise known as

[0:57:15] Voice 6: the municipal regional district tax which is a tax on essentially visitors um and it's set at

[0:57:22] Voice 6: a rate of two percent that funding is reinvested in uh tourism promotion and marketing but aimed

[0:57:29] Voice 6: at the off season not aimed at the peak season which is a good thing but also the online portion

[0:57:37] Voice 6: of that funding can be used for affordable housing and the tourism partnership uh is proposing

[0:57:46] Voice 6: several key things that will be important for affordable housing on Salisbury, and also

[0:57:52] Voice 6: working in collaboration with the CRE. So at this point, and there's going to be future meetings

[0:58:00] Voice 6: with the tourism partnership, the LCC, and also our local neighbor commerce, which would like

[0:58:05] Voice 6: some of the funding from that MRTT to help them run their information center. But on the housing

[0:58:12] Voice 6: current there'll be future meetings uh the the tourism partnership board has already agreed

[0:58:18] Voice 6: to a hundred thousand dollars a year to be uh allocated to the crd to help fund that

[0:58:25] Voice 6: regional coordinator position uh they've also already initiated the housing now um program

[0:58:33] Voice 6: uh which which is offering services uh both on the the terms and partnership includes both the

[0:58:40] Voice 6: the Southern Gulf Islands electoral area and the Salisbury electoral area.

[0:58:44] Voice 6: Housing now will apply to, it started in the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:58:48] Voice 6: but will apply to Salisbury.

[0:58:51] Voice 6: And that's a commitment of $50,000 a year.

[0:58:54] Voice 6: It's essentially a matching kind of service that helps connect property owners

[0:59:02] Voice 6: who may have a suite, may have a bedroom, to folks who need housing,

[0:59:08] Voice 6: housing, including employees who need housing, a kind of a matching service.

[0:59:13] Voice 6: Right now, Salisbury doesn't contribute to that, but that's something that our Economic

[0:59:17] Voice 6: Development, we can do that through our Economic Development Commission.

[0:59:23] Voice 6: And the final thing, the Tourism Partnership does have about 200,000 in reserves set aside

[0:59:29] Voice 6: also for local housing.

[0:59:31] Voice 6: They're going to want to see some plans to utilize that money, but all this is good news

[0:59:37] Voice 6: in terms of providing some ongoing funding

[0:59:40] Voice 6: for affordable housing,

[0:59:42] Voice 6: not just in the Southern Gulf Island electoral area,

[0:59:45] Voice 6: but on Salt Creek as well.

[0:59:49] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair.

[0:59:51] Voice 5: Thank you, Gary.

[0:59:54] Voice 5: Right then.

[0:59:55] Voice 5: So moving

[0:59:56] Voice 7: on, we have...

[1:00:00] Voice 7: 37 we have draft minutes of july 12th special meeting for adoption is there any

[1:00:07] Voice 5: corrections

[1:00:09] Voice 5: additions there um i just have more it's it's it's a follow-up because

[1:00:18] Trustee Patrick: it's not in our follow-up

[1:00:20] Trustee Patrick: action list so i was just okay uh robin williams have presented at the town hall and has asked for

[1:00:25] Trustee Patrick: a representative from the trust committee um to the salt spring fire department we never

[1:00:33] Trustee Patrick: translated that to a motion or anything i don't know if that's something we should discuss further

[1:00:39] Trustee Patrick: specifically requested someone be a liaison between the committee and the fire department

[1:00:46] Voice 7: okay thank you for catching that and um do we want to just make that a new business item for today or

[1:00:55] Voice 7: do we want to consider that at a later date what's what's your what's your pleasure trustees liaison

[1:01:03] Voice 7: for the fire department from the local trust committee we just add that in today under uh

[1:01:16] Voice 5: let's do it under 15. otherwise i have no corrections to that okay all right then

[1:01:35] Voice 7: And so then on page 41, we have the draft minutes of the September 13th special meeting.

[1:01:44] Voice 7: Anything on that?

[1:01:45] Voice 7: I

[1:01:46] Trustee Patrick: have one correction to note on page 43, third paragraph on the bottom, it starts with

[1:01:52] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Patrick advised.

[1:01:54] Trustee Patrick: It says that the second line, it says the bylaw that we can stand behind and will be

[1:02:00] Trustee Patrick: approved by trust counsel.

[1:02:02] Trustee Patrick: It should have said executive committee.

[1:02:04] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:02:05] Voice 5: not trust counsel fair enough anything else on these minutes okay

[1:02:14] Voice 7: then on page 45 we have the

[1:02:19] Voice 7: minutes of the september 14th regular meeting

[1:02:22] Voice 5: anything on those minutes no okay

[1:02:33] Voice 7: then in 8.2

[1:02:35] Voice 5: on page

[1:02:35] Voice 7: 56 we have the resolutions about meeting report from there for information yes that's

[1:02:45] Trustee Patrick: someone i didn't want to talk about the follow-up oh

[1:02:47] Voice 7: sorry you're right i did i wrote that down and

[1:02:50] Voice 7: let's start on here thank

[1:02:53] Trustee Patrick: you to stop getting that letter out uh to the minister um i know um

[1:03:03] Trustee Patrick: emily olsen did uh did have some conversations and uh said that they're considering opening up

[1:03:10] Trustee Patrick: of holding the first 1,000 for urban areas

[1:03:13] Trustee Patrick: and that perhaps the second 2,000 pilot tests

[1:03:19] Trustee Patrick: might be opened up to electoral areas.

[1:03:23] Trustee Patrick: So there's some glimmer of hope

[1:03:25] Trustee Patrick: that the messages got through to the minister

[1:03:28] Trustee Patrick: that leaving out rural electoral areas

[1:03:31] Trustee Patrick: and our islands was perhaps not a good thing.

[1:03:34] Trustee Patrick: But I did want to follow up

[1:03:39] Trustee Patrick: on part of an item that is

[1:03:41] Trustee Patrick: related to this

[1:03:42] Trustee Patrick: of the program is

[1:03:45] Trustee Patrick: the speculation of

[1:03:47] Trustee Patrick: vacancy tax. There's a lot of

[1:03:49] Trustee Patrick: conversations about that

[1:03:50] Trustee Patrick: and

[1:03:53] Trustee Patrick: I can honestly

[1:03:55] Trustee Patrick: say I'm on the fence. I don't know

[1:03:57] Trustee Patrick: any information. I did speak

[1:03:59] Trustee Patrick: with Minister Kalem. I ran

[1:04:01] Trustee Patrick: into Tim right after I had

[1:04:03] Trustee Patrick: spoken with him along with

[1:04:04] Trustee Patrick: a counselor from Central

[1:04:06] Trustee Patrick: Saanich.

[1:04:09] Trustee Patrick: And he asked us to provide a letter to look into the tax was his words that he used to understand, you know, whether or not it has any potential.

[1:04:22] Trustee Patrick: We've got a lot of people in the community saying, bring us the SBT, bring us the SBT.

[1:04:26] Trustee Patrick: But I think there's a step missing there. I think we should understand the speculation of vacancy tax and will it have any impact on our housing in a positive way.

[1:04:36] Trustee Patrick: and so i'd like to propose a motion if i may to request a letter certainly um

[1:04:44] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to move

[1:04:45] Trustee Patrick: that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to send a letter from the local

[1:04:50] Trustee Patrick: trust committee chair to minister conroy and copy minister kaylin with references to the september

[1:04:58] Trustee Patrick: 7th 2023 letter from colin plant crd board chair to minister conroy and request that the province

[1:05:06] Trustee Patrick: to examine the projected effect of the speculation of vacancy tax on the housing conditions on Salt

[1:05:13] Trustee Patrick: Spring Island and considers including the Salt Spring Island electoral area in the SBT taxable

[1:05:20] Trustee Patrick: area I sent that to

[1:05:24] Voice 7: Sarah's got that okay great I mean I know you're amazing

[1:05:29] Voice 7: I was almost getting lost there just listening okay so so moved and would you uh I'll second

[1:05:38] Voice 7: that and would you like to discuss yeah

[1:05:39] Trustee Patrick: I mean my my understanding from minister is that you know

[1:05:43] Trustee Patrick: he was very clear he was not asking that we asked to be added it was uh this is a look into

[1:05:50] Trustee Patrick: the CRD has been uh sending multiple headers um to the minister and he wants to hear

[1:05:58] Trustee Patrick: here I know do we have any interest which I'm glad for him to recognize for once that they

[1:06:03] Trustee Patrick: are a multiple-bodied um uh Island and so uh this is just to fulfill his request that we're

[1:06:11] Trustee Patrick: just saying look into it yeah

[1:06:15] Voice 7: thank you and of course I I really appreciate that your

[1:06:18] Voice 7: um first interest is how what what are the impacts here and what are the impacts on the housing here

[1:06:26] Voice 7: because that's that's important before we just go asking for these things um so any further

[1:06:33] Voice 7: discussion anything from you well the crd is already asking this question correct the crd

[1:06:40] Voice 7: is asking for the tax as i understand it and please correct me if i'm wrong the crd is asking

[1:06:44] Voice 7: for the province to consider bringing the tax uh to to apply to salt spring and what uh i'm asking

[1:06:51] Voice 7: for the implication it doesn't sound like they're asking and it certainly doesn't seem to be asking

[1:06:55] Voice 7: about the implications for salt spring and what that might be for housing here so i appreciate

[1:07:01] Voice 7: trustee patrick's um from the screen possible could we do that can we put the motion on the

[1:07:08] Voice 7: screen yeah

[1:07:09] Voice 5: if you want to email it to me that's probably okay we think like a three to five minute

[1:07:24] Voice 5: break and just double the washroom break while that gets up on the screen is that fine with

[1:07:28] Voice 5: everybody okay so there we've got the motion up there thank you for that fair to speak certainly

[1:11:28] Voice 5: i would support this if it's you know the asking for it to consider including

[1:11:36] Voice 5: salisbury island in the area i think that's kind of jumping the gun we're waiting to hear

[1:11:43] Voice 5: uh what the effects are going to be so i would support it if that sentence and considers wasn't

[1:11:51] Voice 5: there otherwise they're not in support of this okay yeah yeah trustee patrick sorry no i i

[1:12:06] Trustee Patrick: understand jamie and i i was i could tell there was a lot of renditions of this version as i was

[1:12:12] Trustee Patrick: trying to think how to write this product um the the reason for that sentence is because the

[1:12:20] Trustee Patrick: province is going to do the review of the of the housing conditions and the effect of the tax

[1:12:26] Trustee Patrick: without considering expanding it so it's it's not that i'm i'm i was i'm trying hard it's not

[1:12:35] Trustee Patrick: i'm not saying we're telling them to expand it it's considering in relationship to the first

[1:12:41] Trustee Patrick: point which is to understand the effects of the of the tax so it's it's through their expansion

[1:12:48] Trustee Patrick: that they do this analysis maybe a

[1:12:52] Voice 7: better wording would be housing conditions on salt spring island

[1:12:56] Voice 7: before considering including salsa i

[1:13:00] Voice 5: i would be open to that absolutely okay and is it somehow

[1:13:17] Voice 5: getting back to us in there somehow like are we it's their

[1:13:21] Voice 5: tax it's their but i mean we're asking

[1:13:26] Voice 5: we're still sending the letter but are we getting are we going to hear um what the invocations

[1:13:34] Voice 5: um to housing are we find out about that prior i

[1:13:41] Voice 7: guess it's difficult to know exactly what

[1:13:43] Voice 7: they're going to do but i think in the context of crd's asking for it and has been asking for it i

[1:13:49] Voice 7: think it's actually useful for will be

[1:13:53] Voice 7: nice no matter how no matter how they do it because you

[1:13:55] Voice 7: know a lot of the way it's been done so far in the provinces they haven't done any studies or

[1:14:01] Voice 7: consultations they've just said we're doing these right and in fact they just added a couple more

[1:14:06] Voice 7: more municipalities um so this at least if if there were asking them to to do the the work here

[1:14:15] Voice 7: they're already going to be looking we know for sure they're going to be looking at whether they

[1:14:20] Voice 7: would have uh expanded because of the cdr crd has been asked and i think this is a positive

[1:14:27] Voice 7: how does that work with with the allen's trust and this tax because that's something that has

[1:14:32] Voice 7: to come in front of us it's done it's done it's actually well out of our our control yeah there

[1:14:39] Voice 7: was um when it was first brought in there was consideration at trust council whether trust

[1:14:46] Voice 7: council wanted to make a statement uh either in favor of isla's trust area being included or or

[1:14:53] Voice 7: being excluded and there's there are certain arguments on both sides ultimately though it's

[1:15:00] Voice 7: that the province makes the determination they i noticed that they they aren't they

[1:15:05] Voice 7: are and have been expanding in a bit so i think this is a good request that they don't just expand

[1:15:13] Voice 7: it without doing this work that yes

[1:15:17] Trustee Patrick: well further i think it shows we've been recognized when the

[1:15:22] Trustee Patrick: minister requested this that he's not just taking seer name you know his word

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick: so i think that was

[1:15:28] Voice 7: a

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick: good sign that was probably one of the most positive signs i've seen talking in the news

[1:15:31] Voice 7: that

[1:15:31] Trustee Patrick: they remembered us

[1:15:32] Voice 7: right we exist take these

[1:15:34] Voice 5: moments yeah all right so is there any anything

[1:15:41] Voice 5: further

[1:15:42] Voice 7: on the motion before i call the question

[1:15:43] Voice 5: i'm just considering because

[1:15:47] Voice 7: like laura said

[1:15:50] Voice 7: trusty patrick said she's on the fence and lots of people in the fence that many people don't

[1:15:56] Voice 7: understand what this means and is a broad brush kind of approach because there's two different

[1:16:02] Voice 7: types of people or more than two types of people that may have a property that would fall under

[1:16:08] Voice 7: this umbrella and some of them it's clearly unfair um for them to fall under that umbrella

[1:16:16] Voice 7: and have a speculation of vacancy tax put upon them and there's others that i would think that

[1:16:21] Voice 7: it's a good idea so how you know how it's difficult for me to i don't support it as

[1:16:27] Voice 7: as a broad umbrella thing growing up so i just yeah of course the province doesn't want to get

[1:16:36] Voice 7: into that kind of detail i just want to do it for the area all or all or nothing sort of thing and

[1:16:41] Voice 7: is there any way we can get involved in that i don't think that the province really makes much

[1:16:49] Voice 7: allowance for local government please correct me if i'm wrong staff i don't think that province

[1:16:53] Voice 7: makes much allowance for local government to to really um get into any detail on that

[1:17:01] Voice 7: tax with regards to selecting areas yeah my experience they've done it mostly either at

[1:17:07] Voice 7: the smallest scale they've done it at the municipal level uh originally it was mostly

[1:17:12] Voice 7: by regional districts so yeah um as a suborder of a local government such as the local trust

[1:17:18] trust area um I mean it's it's unclear to me whether they would take that um

[1:17:24] Voice 7: as a as an area

[1:17:25] Voice 7: that's pretty easily defined I wonder whether there'd be any any do you need to be do you desire

[1:17:32] Voice 7: to be uh specific or not in terms of shows maybe salt spray yeah PA which includes other islands

[1:17:39] Voice 7: or other distrust in general um those are it would be more properties in my mind because that's

[1:17:44] Voice 7: something yeah I'm pretty

[1:17:45] Voice 7: sure we're not I'm pretty sure it's not going to get into individual

[1:17:48] individual

[1:17:48] Voice 7: properties, because then they'd have to, I mean,

[1:17:52] Voice 8: it'd be a

[1:17:52] Voice 7: hornet's nest of,

[1:17:55] Voice 7: you know, looking at individual properties, because they'd have to then have criteria

[1:18:01] Voice 7: why you, I mean, they already have criteria whether you would qualify to be taxed or not.

[1:18:07] Voice 7: So if it was in, would it then be, and Salt Spring was under the umbrella, would that

[1:18:13] Voice 7: I wonder if there would be any avenue for people to dispute or say,

[1:18:18] Voice 7: and then the Island Trust could say, well,

[1:18:22] Voice 7: clearly this instance shouldn't be applicable to this.

[1:18:27] Voice 7: I believe there is a dispute mechanism and I'll get to you in a moment,

[1:18:30] Voice 7: but I don't think that that would be between the property owner and the

[1:18:35] Voice 7: province. I don't think Island's Trust would be part of that process.

[1:18:40] Voice 7: Yeah, Mr. Chair, I just want to clarify, there are exemptions.

[1:18:44] Voice 7: through the there actually are quite a few exemptions of speculation and vacancy tax

[1:18:49] Voice 7: um the main one being um in my in my view i guess you have a secondary suite and first of all there's

[1:18:55] Voice 7: any management of an estate so if an owner has recently passed away

[1:18:58] Voice 7: there is a grace period

[1:18:59] Voice 14: um

[1:19:00] Voice 7: as you're determining what to do with that property so the tax isn't applied in that year

[1:19:04] after

[1:19:04] Voice 7: where it's not being occupied and it's sitting on somebody else's ownership um the

[1:19:09] Voice 7: other one that's actually quite common is where a family member is actually living in the thing

[1:19:12] Voice 7: full-time or it's being rented on a full-time basis so if you have a tenancy agreement you're

[1:19:17] Voice 7: on a long-term rental um there's definitely taxes I believe there was actually a statistic I read

[1:19:24] Voice 14: last spring only one percent of British Columbians that fall under this tax should pay the tax so

[1:19:28] Voice 14: there's quite a few exceptions for people who are

[1:19:31] Voice 7: authentically living in it if you are living

[1:19:35] Voice 7: somewhere else primarily and you just use this to visit and you don't rent it out at all or you're

[1:19:40] Voice 7: using it as an income property uh like a like a short-term uh rental property then it's under

[1:19:47] Voice 7: the tax but otherwise there are quite a few ways around the tax here that they're not looking to

[1:19:52] Voice 7: penalize people living in the front line they're just wanting to or

[1:19:55] Voice 16: renting it

[1:19:56] Voice 7: on a full-time

[1:19:59] Voice 7: trustee patrick well

[1:20:00] Trustee Patrick: what i want to find out this is specifically says salt spring island

[1:20:03] Trustee Patrick: electoral area so talking about the island of salt spring not particular and the other islands

[1:20:09] Trustee Patrick: so it's very careful in the

[1:20:10] Trustee Patrick: language here the other as it is a chair letter the prerogative

[1:20:14] Trustee Patrick: of the chair as he drafts the letter you can certainly ask in the letter uh you know for

[1:20:20] Trustee Patrick: for the province to to explain the process of expansion um to get you know to educate us i

[1:20:26] Trustee Patrick: don't think you need to add that to the motion but i think as you draft the letter it's a fair

[1:20:30] Trustee Patrick: question to ask is does it come back to the community or how are we involved in the decisions

[1:20:36] Trustee Patrick: those are those are questions we're going to be asked as elected officials if the province

[1:20:41] Trustee Patrick: well

[1:20:41] Voice 5: and it's difficult just for

[1:20:45] Voice 7: me you know as a city that can support or not support

[1:20:50] Voice 7: the speculation of vacancy tax without actually knowing what the implications truly are and again

[1:20:56] Voice 7: some properties

[1:20:59] Voice 5: that will fall under the umbrella cannot be described as equal so

[1:21:05] Voice 5: Yeah, and

[1:21:10] Voice 7: I guess my thought about that is that if there's, you know, just to recap, the province is hearing from the CRD, so I think they're going to be considering it, whether they're considering it as something that they're, you know, seriously thinking about expanding here or not.

[1:21:30] Voice 7: this at least requests that they do this this work and in the absence of requesting them to

[1:21:37] Voice 7: do this work they probably won't the only other thing we could do is say we don't support this

[1:21:44] Voice 7: until we just right there's

[1:21:48] Voice 5: you know because

[1:21:49] Voice 7: what you're telling me is basically there's

[1:21:52] Voice 7: nothing we can they're going to do what the hell they want to do they will

[1:21:54] Voice 7: the province will either

[1:21:55] Voice 7: either do it or not um as they as they see fit what i see that as the benefit to this

[1:22:04] Voice 7: it's asking them to do this work and get them and so that they're not just gone oh yeah salt

[1:22:10] Voice 7: spring that's probably a good idea and hitting the rubber stamp this is at least requesting that

[1:22:17] Voice 7: they do some some background work and it's and it's about it so how how it's gonna

[1:22:22] Voice 7: it um which i think is the bible part of this this um

[1:22:28] Voice 5: suggestion here that we at least ask them to

[1:22:32] Voice 5: to be doing that well what i'm expecting is um that there'll be a vote you

[1:22:40] Voice 7: two will be in favor

[1:22:41] Voice 7: and i'm going to vote against it just because i'm not supportive of this tax so score records

[1:22:47] Voice 7: produce okay but i agree that's nice yes

[1:22:50] Voice 7: yes okay

[1:22:54] Voice 5: anything further all

[1:22:56] Voice 7: right then i'll call the

[1:22:56] Voice 7: question all in favor any opposed and would you like your opposition yes please okay all right

[1:23:06] Voice 7: then so moving on to section nine we have um four pieces of correspondence on page 57 there's the

[1:23:16] Voice 7: a letter regarding Ganges Harbor Walk from CRD Parks and Recreation

[1:23:22] Voice 5: Manager and

[1:23:28] Voice 5: this is applying for funding to support it and requesting a letter of support

[1:23:42] Voice 5: from the local trust committee any thoughts on this Trustee Patrick? Sure I mean generally I'm

[1:23:58] Trustee Patrick: in support, I think there's just one, a couple

[1:24:00] Trustee Patrick: of questions, and maybe

[1:24:01] Trustee Patrick: the manager of Parks

[1:24:04] Trustee Patrick: and Rec can answer the question.

[1:24:06] Trustee Patrick: He's provided a draft

[1:24:07] Trustee Patrick: letter here, and there's two things. One is, I think

[1:24:10] Trustee Patrick: from IELTS Trust's perspective

[1:24:12] Trustee Patrick: is there's an opportunity here to

[1:24:14] Trustee Patrick: remediate a situation

[1:24:16] Trustee Patrick: which is a derelict,

[1:24:17] Trustee Patrick: rotting structure down on the

[1:24:19] Trustee Patrick: foreshore of the

[1:24:22] Trustee Patrick: harbor, and then the second

[1:24:23] Trustee Patrick: was any opportunities to work with

[1:24:25] Trustee Patrick: First Nations to

[1:24:27] Trustee Patrick: partner or just working with First Nations to seek opportunities

[1:24:31] Voice 5: for them in the future?

[1:24:35] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:24:37] Voice 14: absolutely. I can give a brief update of where we are at in the project. So currently

[1:24:42] Voice 14: we're doing consultation with the upland owners and First Nations. That's going to feed into the

[1:24:47] Voice 14: conceptual designs that will walk out to the community. This funding is specific for the next

[1:24:53] Voice 14: phase where we look at the detailed designs. The detailed designs are required for us to

[1:24:58] Voice 14: secure a statute the missing statutory rate of weight in front of the marina they're also

[1:25:02] Voice 5: required for any future instruction okay anything else on this from anyone um is

[1:25:14] Voice 7: there a desire to

[1:25:16] Voice 7: i guess we need a motion go ahead and send a letter of support here sure

[1:25:23] Trustee Patrick: i don't mean i'm

[1:25:23] Trustee Patrick: sorry i'm going to wing it i don't have one prepared unless you've already written one up

[1:25:26] Trustee Patrick: but sarah is usually so good at these things have you got anything penciled great oh okay so i'll

[1:25:34] Trustee Patrick: move that the salt spring and local trust committee uh request staff to um prepare

[1:25:40] Trustee Patrick: a record

[1:25:42] Voice 5: of support is that what that is for um the harbor

[1:25:50] will support as requested and you just make the correspondence

[1:25:54] Voice 5: from dano when it's

[1:25:56] Voice 5: dated september 22nd how'd you do there i know you did awesome sir always makes these motions

[1:26:04] Voice 5: make sense okay uh that the salt spring island local

[1:26:17] Voice 4: trust committee requests staff to prepare

[1:26:18] Voice 4: a letter of support for the gandhi's harbor walk as requested in the correspondence letter

[1:26:23] Voice 4: received from the crd perks and recreation manager dated december sorry dated september 22nd 2023.

[1:26:30] Voice 4: me so move that okay

[1:26:33] Voice 7: so moved and uh

[1:26:35] Voice 5: would you like to second that move the

[1:26:38] Voice 7: seconded um discussion

[1:26:41] Voice 7: i guess the only thing i would note is that it says that the application needs to be submitted

[1:26:47] Voice 7: by the end of october so just have staff keep that deadline in mind and in that case we'll

[1:26:57] Voice 7: just go ahead i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries thank you

[1:27:04] Voice 7: um so next on page 59 is a letter to the salt spring island farm trust community farm trust

[1:27:15] Voice 7: uh from trustee patrick

[1:27:18] Voice 5: regarding a community grant application it's to trustee patrick sorry

[1:27:25] Voice 5: no it's fine oh

[1:27:26] Voice 16: it's from you

[1:27:27] Voice 5: it was just that they needed a very quick letter of support for a

[1:27:31] Voice 5: grant application okay

[1:27:35] Voice 7: so that was uh they just got

[1:27:38] Voice 7: the letter from you and that was what they

[1:27:39] Voice 7: needed uh

[1:27:40] Trustee Patrick: they needed it with like a 24-hour turnaround okay

[1:27:43] Voice 7: wow okay so we're just gonna

[1:27:45] Voice 7: look at the statements from

[1:27:46] Trustee Patrick: me we'll

[1:27:47] Voice 7: receive that for information and thank you for keeping us on

[1:27:51] Voice 7: the loop on that and next up on page 61 is the letter to minister kaylon minister of housing

[1:28:00] Voice 7: um and so it's all over at that and then on page 63 there's a letter from e.l chandler

[1:28:13] Voice 7: um about talking about the uh rainwater catchment and i'll just note that um

[1:28:23] Voice 7: uh yesterday at the ec meeting i uh asked for uh well actually i made a motion

[1:28:34] Voice 7: that was passed to ask staff to look into the the uh province's uh new regulation

[1:28:40] Voice 7: around the right water catchment and i believe uh our able uh director of planning uh stephan

[1:28:47] Voice 7: cermak had that land on his desk and i'm sure he thanks me for the extra work justin patrick

[1:28:54] Trustee Patrick: no this i think this is related to i i don't know where the advocacy is going to come from but it's

[1:28:59] Trustee Patrick: it's growing our interest especially from all of the islands where the province has this through

[1:29:06] Trustee Patrick: the drinking water protection act any more than one connection to your well triggers an operational

[1:29:12] Trustee Patrick: permit under the under the drinking water and that's it's like a sixty thousand dollar item

[1:29:17] Trustee Patrick: yeah uh

[1:29:18] Trustee Patrick: the washington state uh uses three as the as the trigger number so it just makes you know

[1:29:25] Trustee Patrick: if I have a secondary suite or an accessory dwelling unit,

[1:29:27] Trustee Patrick: I'm drinking the well water too.

[1:29:29] Trustee Patrick: There's a lot of motivation.

[1:29:32] Trustee Patrick: It'd be okay.

[1:29:33] Trustee Patrick: And it is excessive.

[1:29:35] Trustee Patrick: And I think the Adams Trust needs to come out

[1:29:37] Trustee Patrick: and use its power and authority under the act

[1:29:40] Trustee Patrick: to persuade the province to move on that.

[1:29:44] Trustee Patrick: Because that's a huge impediment

[1:29:46] Trustee Patrick: for an already expensive housing initiative.

[1:29:50] Trustee Patrick: We've got that on top of it.

[1:29:52] Voice 5: Yeah, it certainly doesn't help with that.

[1:29:55] Voice 5: Already high cost of housing.

[1:30:01] Voice 7: Okay, so that's it for the Correspondence section at this point.

[1:30:06] Voice 7: And, uh, trustee. Oh,

[1:30:09] Voice 16: the kids run.

[1:30:10] Voice 16: Yeah, that's right. Yes. Okay. Yes, thank you.

[1:30:16] Trustee Patrick: Sorry. This just got I just received this from Harry Barnes last night.

[1:30:22] Trustee Patrick: He's the executive director for Israel.

[1:30:26] Trustee Patrick: Isra, fellow trustees, the King's Lane property has been zoned.

[1:30:35] Trustee Patrick: It has a housing agreement and everything for, I think, assisted living, 50 units of assisted living up by the King's Lane property.

[1:30:43] Trustee Patrick: I'm very, very pleased to hear that the board is looking at taking a different direction,

[1:30:51] Trustee Patrick: which is to create this property to be more of a rental property multi-ages and all of that which

[1:30:58] Trustee Patrick: is exciting from one to three bedroom units so they are preparing to respond to the bc housing's

[1:31:06] Trustee Patrick: latest opening of funding because they're they're really the closest on the island as far as being

[1:31:12] Trustee Patrick: close to uh you know they accepted their

[1:31:15] Trustee Patrick: zoning they got their they've got their water licenses

[1:31:18] Trustee Patrick: is they've got everything they need so um i think what uh harry's asking for is you know i know when

[1:31:25] Trustee Patrick: he talked to me i said look we can't fetter our decisions i guess there may be a need for us to

[1:31:29] Trustee Patrick: modify a permit or something to accommodate this but he was hoping to have some letter to put in

[1:31:34] Trustee Patrick: the package to bc housing so um i don't might have to look to staff what's the appropriate language i

[1:31:40] Trustee Patrick: know we can't federate our decisions but um um supporting principal yeah that we're that we're

[1:31:47] Trustee Patrick: you know absolutely that this is a needed housing um for the demographic of salt spring so

[1:31:54] Trustee Patrick: certainly i certainly want to be supportive

[1:31:56] Voice 14: i think it's probably best not to go into

[1:31:59] Voice 14: the specifics of land use in a letter um it would be really good if the ltc wishes to

[1:32:06] certainly a letter supporting this group and submitting the application is one step uh you

[1:32:12] may wish to request the staff officially um and confirm that with uh giz

[1:32:18] Voice 7: rep as well as uh if

[1:32:20] Voice 7: developers want to report back to you as well let

[1:32:23] Voice 5: you know what that looks like provide them right

[1:32:29] Voice 5: is there a time uh what time

[1:32:32] Voice 7: consideration for there he

[1:32:34] Trustee Patrick: didn't put one in there i know he okay

[1:32:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay, I know he rushed to get this to us by I told him we were meeting today so I mean this is, he couldn't be there board was meeting he was going to be here personally during the town hall this morning but therefore it was meeting.

[1:32:48] Trustee Patrick: So that's why they chose this way of throwing a letter on the table.

[1:32:52] Trustee Patrick: um so i i think along the lines of you know we absolutely support their application for dc

[1:32:59] Trustee Patrick: housing um and i don't know how this is whatever whatever they i you know i gave them your name

[1:33:08] Trustee Patrick: so i guess uh we

[1:33:16] Voice 5: did that in one motion or what would you advise this motion

[1:33:19] Voice 5: motion.

[1:33:20] Voice 7: Mr. Chair, I'd suggest that be two motions. We can pick the resolution for the

[1:33:24] Voice 7: letter and then consider the request for a zoning form.

[1:33:29] Trustee Patrick: All right, I'll wing a motion.

[1:33:30] Trustee Patrick: Then I move that the Salisbury High and Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a

[1:33:35] Trustee Patrick: letter of support for Gisra's application to the BC Housing Community Housing Program.

[1:33:44] Trustee Patrick: Or is it King? I guess we have to make reference with

[1:33:47] Voice 16: the King's Lane. What's the name of the

[1:33:50] Voice 16: property kingsland the kingsland property community

[1:33:55] Voice 4: housing program oh

[1:33:58] Voice 5: it's bc housing's

[1:34:00] Voice 5: community housing program five four one six four go ahead okay okay let

[1:34:22] Voice 4: the salts bring

[1:34:23] Voice 4: on the local trust committee request staff to prepare a letter of support for the gulf island

[1:34:27] Voice 4: seniors residence association bc housing community housing program application or 164 kingsland

[1:34:37] Voice 5: So moved. Do I have a seconder? Discussion? It's pretty straightforward. I'll call the question. All in favor? And that carries. And then the follow-up?

[1:34:49] Voice 5: Second motion to request staff to work with Gizra on what it was saying.

[1:35:02] Voice 5: uh

[1:35:02] Voice 7: it's just probably um review um existing zoning uh

[1:35:08] Voice 5: on title compliance with the proposal

[1:35:20] uh

[1:35:27] Voice 5: mr chair if you'd like uh staff to report back to you i'll see you on that

[1:35:31] Voice 5: yeah the pto the proposal

[1:35:39] Voice 7: whatever the grant is um yeah

[1:35:43] Trustee Patrick: the conceptual plan is the one yeah

[1:35:45] Voice 7: Yeah, it leads to a community housing program.

[1:35:48] Voice 7: Yeah, so I actually think it would be good to have a staff report back to the LTC.

[1:35:54] Voice 7: Certainly, any housing is a

[1:35:57] Voice 5: priority and my interest for the LTC.

[1:35:59] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:36:11] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:36:11] Voice 4: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to work with the Gulf Island Seniors Residence Association

[1:36:18] Voice 4: to review existing zoning and permits on title

[1:36:21] Voice 4: for compliance with the BC Housing Community Housing Program

[1:36:25] Voice 4: application for 164 Kings Lane

[1:36:27] Voice 4: and request after report back to the LTC.

[1:36:32] Voice 7: Marvelous.

[1:36:32] Voice 7: So moved, seconded.

[1:36:35] Voice 7: Further discussion?

[1:36:37] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[1:36:40] Voice 7: And that carries.

[1:36:41] Voice 5: Great.

[1:36:44] Voice 5: Thank you for bringing that to us.

[1:36:49] Trustee Patrick: Thanks to Gizra.

[1:36:50] Trustee Patrick: this is uh i'm so glad the board supported making this change and this is a big move for them so

[1:36:57] Trustee Patrick: i think it's going to be a much much healthier project at the end of the day it's exciting okay

[1:37:05] Voice 7: so that brings us to section 10 we've got the follow-up action list on page 64 and is there

[1:37:14] Voice 7: anything staff would like to highlight at this time i'm sure i would take this opportunity just

[1:37:21] Voice 7: just to advise LPC

[1:37:23] Voice 14: that I just want to run it up

[1:37:26] Voice 14: because I don't think we've actually made

[1:37:27] Voice 14: a formal announcement about it yet,

[1:37:29] Voice 14: but we called it earlier

[1:37:31] Voice 7: in the spring.

[1:37:34] Voice 7: LPC gave the go-ahead to apply for the new BCM.

[1:37:39] Voice 7: Why is the name slipping my mind?

[1:37:41] Voice 7: Complete Communities Fund.

[1:37:43] Voice 7: That application was successful.

[1:37:45] Voice 7: So we received a grant of $150,000

[1:37:51] Voice 7: dollars that need to be spent over the next year, we are currently drafting an RFP.

[1:37:59] Voice 7: This grant will provide a significant amount of funding to undertake works that will basically

[1:38:08] Voice 7: really improve our readiness to begin the work of the OCP project, the LUB review, primarily

[1:38:17] primarily looking at bringing our

[1:38:19] Voice 7: geodata together,

[1:38:21] Voice 7: which is a really complex technical task,

[1:38:24] Voice 7: but it's definitely something that we look for outside support on,

[1:38:27] Voice 7: and it takes a lot of work.

[1:38:28] Voice 7: So it involves gathering available data,

[1:38:32] Voice 7: as well as possibly generating additional data,

[1:38:34] Voice 7: identifying gaps and working towards that.

[1:38:38] Voice 7: This sort of helped us develop a better growth model

[1:38:42] Voice 7: and help us find opportunities for where we're servicing such exists it also provides funding

[1:38:51] Voice 7: for a substantial engagement process around that so it's not just a technical exercise

[1:38:56] Voice 7: it's not a computer-based outcome of what we should be doing that's obviously a very personal

[1:39:02] Voice 7: and community-centered process that is something that could be celebrated i hope and i want to let

[1:39:09] Voice 7: all know about that great thank you for that that's good

[1:39:13] Voice 5: news and a goodly amount of funding

[1:39:17] Voice 5: yes trustee patrick is that a question i guess you said you're going to be preparing statement

[1:39:23] Trustee Patrick: of work and things to come to

[1:39:24] Trustee Patrick: us sometime soon i hope is that with

[1:39:29] Voice 7: a with regards to

[1:39:32] Trustee Patrick: how to use the money and what and so forth are we going to see a report on that before

[1:39:38] Trustee Patrick: or decisions that are down the road in terms of references are made and consultants are hired.

[1:39:45] Trustee Patrick: And I specifically ask that because I know it's something I will certainly want to be talking about later

[1:39:52] Trustee Patrick: when we talk about the accessory dwelling units and the spot zoning that was recommended.

[1:39:56] Trustee Patrick: It's how we come to this project and the objectives that we're setting up.

[1:40:01] Trustee Patrick: and and a lot of times we come from this on how we can prevent housing from being built and

[1:40:11] Trustee Patrick: i really hope that we're coming using this funding and the complete community really coming from the

[1:40:17] Trustee Patrick: need and and and make sure we're coming from that that aspect on this project that we're trying to

[1:40:24] Trustee Patrick: find ways for housing to work in this community to meet the needs of creating a complete community

[1:40:31] Trustee Patrick: as it should be, not just a seniors center,

[1:40:36] Trustee Patrick: you know, but this is a true complete community.

[1:40:41] Trustee Patrick: So I think that's something I really want to see

[1:40:44] Trustee Patrick: that strong approach, but that's,

[1:40:48] Trustee Patrick: we're really coming at this from a, how do we do it?

[1:40:50] Trustee Patrick: How do we not do it approach?

[1:40:52] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[1:40:54] Voice 7: I think Mr. Chair, the intention here

[1:40:57] Voice 7: is somewhat performance-based in terms of acknowledging

[1:41:01] Voice 7: Acknowledging a housing need is a big part of what this grant application conveyed.

[1:41:06] It's probably one of the reasons why it was successful,

[1:41:09] to get good data on

[1:41:11] Voice 7: the need.

[1:41:12] Voice 7: We don't really have good data on the how,

[1:41:15] Voice 7: and we don't have great policy on getting to the outcome.

[1:41:20] Voice 7: So we

[1:41:22] Voice 14: do intend to acknowledge that we have this grant to OCP, LEB, and Gandy.

[1:41:28] Voice 7: the expectation for November

[1:41:30] Voice 7: should be that we're going to provide a bit of

[1:41:31] Voice 7: an outline of what that looks like

[1:41:34] Voice 7: in terms of the scope of work following up on the

[1:41:36] Voice 7: business case work done last

[1:41:38] Voice 7: month for the request

[1:41:40] Voice 7: to sort of spell this all

[1:41:42] Voice 7: out. What's really important about

[1:41:44] Voice 7: this grant is that it can't be used directly

[1:41:46] Voice 7: to fund the OCP of the LUB.

[1:41:48] Voice 7: However, by doing a lot of

[1:41:50] Voice 7: growth work at the beginning

[1:41:52] Voice 7: through this grant process

[1:41:55] Voice 7: we definitely get a pretty big

[1:41:56] Voice 7: leg up on in terms of quality information that helps us to engage in and work forward

[1:42:02] Voice 7: a lot of the community to engage more fully and hopefully arrive at better outcomes

[1:42:07] Voice 7: for that policy process we're looking at the timing and budgeting of all of that and

[1:42:15] Voice 7: trying to be realistic about what that what that's going to look like

[1:42:20] Trustee Patrick: i just thought of another

[1:42:22] Trustee Patrick: Another question, how this gets announced.

[1:42:26] Trustee Patrick: Clearly, we just talked about it publicly.

[1:42:29] Trustee Patrick: I appreciate our local Driftwood,

[1:42:33] Trustee Patrick: but sometimes if they take the facts,

[1:42:35] Trustee Patrick: get a little bit, not quite.

[1:42:37] Trustee Patrick: I think there's an opportunity for staff to work

[1:42:40] Trustee Patrick: with the Driftwood to make and announce,

[1:42:43] Trustee Patrick: that this, if we're gonna announce that we got this fund

[1:42:45] Trustee Patrick: so that it's clear as to what it means

[1:42:48] Trustee Patrick: and how we're going to use it.

[1:42:49] Trustee Patrick: yeah not

[1:42:50] Trustee Patrick: for you know for a reporter listening to this recording trying to figure this out

[1:42:56] Trustee Patrick: i

[1:42:57] Voice 7: think that is a note um i'll engage with our communications team and talk about the best way

[1:43:02] Voice 7: to go about that okay

[1:43:04] Voice 5: uh anything further on the follow-up actualist's point did not

[1:43:13] Voice 5: community trustee harris no okay we have no community information meeting or public hearing

[1:43:24] Voice 7: hearing that our applications are expected to start at noon. Go ahead and take lunch

[1:43:32] Voice 7: between now and noon then. If you want

[1:43:37] Voice 5: to be here as long as your time is right. Okay,

[1:43:42] Voice 5: Okay, so we'll recess in time.

[2:31:37] Voice 5: All right, we'll call the meeting back to order.

[2:31:40] Voice 7: And we're

[2:31:41] Voice 7: on to the applications section here.

[2:31:47] Voice 7: Starting on page 74, we have a number of applications.

[2:31:52] Voice 7: First one is coming to us from Planner Caproff,

[2:31:55] Voice 7: but I assume it's not there.

[2:31:57] Voice 7: She is on the screen.

[2:32:01] Voice 1: So good afternoon, Chair Peterson,

[2:32:03] Voice 1: Trustee Harris and Trustee Patrick.

[2:32:06] Voice 1: The ALR application before you for a boundary adjustment,

[2:32:09] Voice 1: which is a type of subdivision,

[2:32:10] Voice 1: is for two adjacent properties on Bettis Road.

[2:32:14] Voice 1: The intent of the application

[2:32:15] Voice 1: is to support intergenerational living

[2:32:17] Voice 1: on the adjacent properties with the daughter's family,

[2:32:19] Voice 1: supporting existing and future farm operations.

[2:32:22] Voice 1: As this is not an application for exclusion of land

[2:32:25] Voice 1: from the ALR non-farm use on ALR,

[2:32:28] Voice 1: it isn't a rezoning application

[2:32:29] Voice 1: and no new lots or additional densities proposed.

[2:32:32] Voice 1: Referral to the Agricultural Advisory Committee

[2:32:35] Voice 1: isn't required.

[2:32:36] Voice 1: Existing agricultural production

[2:32:37] Voice 1: includes Christmas tree farming, hay production,

[2:32:40] Voice 1: and a fruit orchard and market garden,

[2:32:42] Voice 1: which would remain on proposed lot B.

[2:32:44] Voice 1: And then agroforestry is proposed on proposed lot A.

[2:32:50] Voice 1: According to the applicant,

[2:32:51] Voice 1: the proposed boundary adjustment

[2:32:53] Voice 1: will not impact agricultural activity,

[2:32:55] Voice 1: rather ensure it will continue in the future.

[2:32:58] Voice 1: Staff recommend that the Salt Spring LTC

[2:33:01] Voice 1: support this application and request staff

[2:33:03] Voice 1: to forward the application to the ALC

[2:33:05] Voice 1: and the applicant and the owner are present at the meeting

[2:33:09] Voice 1: and happy to answer any questions that you may have thanks hey

[2:33:13] Voice 7: thank you uh start with uh

[2:33:16] Voice 7: questions for the planner or anything and then who's the applicant would like to speak

[2:33:22] Voice 13: good afternoon i'm brent taylor from polaris lancering and with me is ian kyle one of the

[2:33:27] Voice 13: owners of the property and i think your planner gap up has done a great job of summarizing

[2:33:33] Voice 13: what we're after it's been a long process so far for all sorts of varying reasons but i think we're

[2:33:39] Voice 13: moving forward now and we're thankful for for the planner's uh work happy to answer any questions

[2:33:46] Voice 13: that you may have okay

[2:33:48] Voice 5: thank you

[2:33:49] Voice 13: any questions the planner or the applicant

[2:33:52] Voice 7: no thank you justin patrick i

[2:33:54] Trustee Patrick: don't i i think i think charlie i did have a couple of questions

[2:33:58] Trustee Patrick: just on the just some of the figures in here wasn't the lines of the lots weren't clear

[2:34:03] Trustee Patrick: so i had asked her for some clarity um on that because i was like where is that

[2:34:10] Trustee Patrick: um i i understand not you know referring to the apc at this time but i know i have seen some of

[2:34:16] Trustee Patrick: the eight the agricultural planning commissioners who have asked why we're not using them for

[2:34:23] Trustee Patrick: anything so it's just something to be aware of that they're they're curious um and we should

[2:34:28] Trustee Patrick: make sure we are you know seeking their input appropriately that's all right

[2:34:34] Voice 1: yeah i have an

[2:34:34] Voice 1: application that will be coming soon to you and i definitely think that one should be referred

[2:34:39] Voice 1: um because it has to do with drainage right no thanks

[2:34:42] Trustee Patrick: so other than that i'm familiar with the

[2:34:45] Trustee Patrick: property and um absolutely support multi-generational use of the

[2:34:50] Voice 7: properties great

[2:34:53] Voice 7: trustee harris uh i move that the salt spring animal trust committee supports application

[2:34:59] Voice 7: application assess ALR 2023.1 and request staff to forward the application to the agriculture

[2:35:06] Voice 7: land commission for further consideration seconded any further discussion not seeing

[2:35:13] Voice 7: anything I will call the question all those in favor

[2:35:15] Voice 5: and that carries thank you very much

[2:35:22] Voice 5: okay so next is it's

[2:35:28] Voice 1: a crown lease that

[2:35:30] Voice 5: is

[2:35:31] Voice 7: uh um carol um page 110 and i believe that's planner

[2:35:39] Voice 7: caproff again okay

[2:35:41] Voice 1: so ssl uh cl 2023.5 is a referral from the province for an application

[2:35:47] Voice 1: for a residential use crown lease in the Saanich Peninsula,

[2:35:51] Voice 1: specifically at Civic Address 6736 Mark Lane.

[2:35:57] Voice 1: The applicant is seeking to amend their existing crown lease

[2:35:59] Voice 1: to construct a 49-square-meter or 527.4-square-foot concrete boat launch.

[2:36:05] Voice 1: This project proposal occurs outside the priority areas

[2:36:08] Voice 1: described in the Islands Trust Outer Boundary Policy.

[2:36:11] Voice 1: So to be very clear, the subject site is not within the jurisdiction

[2:36:15] Voice 1: of Salt Spring Island's OCP or land use bylaw.

[2:36:18] Voice 1: Staff recommend that the Salt Spring Island

[2:36:19] Voice 1: local trust committee receive the referral request

[2:36:22] Voice 1: from the crown lease application

[2:36:24] Voice 1: and direct staff to respond to the referral

[2:36:26] Voice 1: indicating that interests of the Island's trust

[2:36:28] Voice 1: are unaffected by this application.

[2:36:31] Voice 5: Okay, is the applicant with us today?

[2:36:35] Voice 1: No, it sits from the province.

[2:36:37] Voice 1: So like I just have

[2:36:38] Voice 7: to contact them.

[2:36:39] Voice 7: Sorry.

[2:36:39] Voice 1: No worries.

[2:36:42] Voice 7: Okay, then any questions for the planner?

[2:36:48] Voice 7: mr patrick well

[2:36:49] Trustee Patrick: let's sort of follow up um we're looking at the kanji's harbor issue here

[2:36:54] Trustee Patrick: uh you know learning about the sandwich peninsula harbor's waterways initiative of the crd that

[2:36:59] Trustee Patrick: yes we have jurisdiction technically up to the high water mark on the sandwich peninsula but

[2:37:03] Trustee Patrick: there's this other service to the crd that's supposed to be coordinating uh although they

[2:37:07] Trustee Patrick: ignored us um i think examples like this are things that we should send to that group bring

[2:37:14] Trustee Patrick: to the crd's attention that you know we are being asked and referred applications in the waters that

[2:37:22] Trustee Patrick: are covered by the crd service yet we're not in it um and i think the silliness of that has got to

[2:37:30] Trustee Patrick: stop um so i don't know if we have to give a motion to ask that you know our staff could just

[2:37:36] Trustee Patrick: raise this the crd is there because i think we have the motion about trying to uh talk about

[2:37:42] Trustee Patrick: about becoming you know whether or not to be in that service or or not or I think this is

[2:37:47] Trustee Patrick: an example that should be brought to that conversation

[2:37:51] Voice 5: but otherwise I have no comments

[2:37:54] Voice 5: on the application okay thank you for that good point um so there's a motion there with someone

[2:38:05] Voice 5: like to make them often all

[2:38:07] Trustee Patrick: right make this one I'm moving the Salt Spring Island local trust

[2:38:10] Trustee Patrick: committee received the referral request for residential use ground-based application

[2:38:14] Trustee Patrick: um and direct staff to respond to the referral indicating that the interests of the islands

[2:38:21] Trustee Patrick: trust are unaffected by this application so

[2:38:25] Voice 7: we'll do have a second and any further discussion

[2:38:28] Voice 7: all those oh sorry i've got

[2:38:30] Trustee Patrick: a discussion yeah again um not only do we have the

[2:38:34] Trustee Patrick: sanich peninsula harbors and the seo nation has had their area you know are those i would assume

[2:38:43] Trustee Patrick: the province would be dealing with any referral conversations related to that okay

[2:38:51] Voice 5: okay and any

[2:38:52] Voice 5: further i'll call the question and all in favor and that carries so next we have a development

[2:39:02] Voice 7: variance permit um and this is planner caproff again yeah

[2:39:06] Voice 1: okay so this application is seeking

[2:39:11] Voice 1: to vary the 15 meter or 49 foot minimum setback from the natural boundary of a water body uh to

[2:39:17] Voice 1: permit the existing accessory structure which is a yoga dome and it's cited 5.3 meters or 17.4 feet

[2:39:24] Voice 1: from from a ditch um so riparian report sorry was submitted um that indicates improvements have been

[2:39:31] Voice 1: made to the vegetation surrounding the ditch um by the owners and that the required setback for

[2:39:36] Voice 1: this ditch um like the spia is five meters or 16.4 feet so the structure would be outside of

[2:39:43] Voice 1: development permit area 7 for riparian um so the structure otherwise meets pertinent zoning

[2:39:48] Voice 1: regulations such as setbacks and lot lines accessory floor area and height um the home-based

[2:39:52] Voice 1: business use also complies with zoning um a bylaw enforcement file ssbe 2022.56 for operation of

[2:40:00] Voice 1: short-term vacation rental is still active on the property um staff conducted a site visit on

[2:40:05] Voice 1: september 22nd 2023 and spoken with the owner who states the trailer is no longer used as an stvr

[2:40:10] Voice 1: but as a play area for the for their children um no correspondence was received from the public

[2:40:16] Voice 1: regarding this application during the notification period or prior to the meeting um so staff

[2:40:21] Voice 1: recommend that salt spring island ltc approve issuance of ss uh dvp 2023 point 2021.23 and

[2:40:29] Voice 1: the owner is here on zoom and can answer any questions that you may have okay

[2:40:35] Voice 7: any questions

[2:40:37] Voice 7: questions for this staff or applicant? Does

[2:40:40] Voice 5: the applicant want to add

[2:40:41] Voice 7: anything?

[2:40:46] Voice 11: Hello, and thank you for having me. I wish I could be there in person. Yeah, I don't have

[2:40:51] Voice 11: much to add. I'm just, this is our home-based business. We are, you know, we are a family that

[2:40:58] Voice 11: teaches yoga, and we would love to, you know, get this approved. We care about the natural body.

[2:41:05] Voice 11: It's been about a couple of years process working with biologists to make sure that

[2:41:11] Voice 11: the land has not been disturbed around and actually has been left in a better place than

[2:41:18] Voice 11: it was when we were there originally.

[2:41:20] Voice 11: So I don't know what else to share, but if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer

[2:41:25] Voice 11: them.

[2:41:26] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:41:27] Voice 7: Any questions for the staff or applicant?

[2:41:29] Voice 7: Trustee Papach?

[2:41:30] Trustee Patrick: I understand there's open bylaw enforcement file on this property.

[2:41:37] Trustee Patrick: What's the status

[2:41:38] Voice 11: of that or?

[2:41:40] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:41:40] Voice 11: So when we moved to the property, there was a trailer, which we had Airbnb'd and we realized

[2:41:48] Voice 11: after being informed from Islands Trust bylaw enforcer that it was against Islands Trust

[2:41:59] Voice 11: bylaw.

[2:41:59] Voice 11: So we, within, I think a month, we just had to wait to complete the bookings.

[2:42:05] Voice 11: we they allowed us a grace period to complete the the bookings that were already already scheduled

[2:42:10] Voice 11: and then after that point we we've closed it down okay

[2:42:14] Trustee Patrick: well you're still on your website

[2:42:17] Voice 11: i'm sorry still

[2:42:18] Trustee Patrick: on your website we

[2:42:21] Voice 11: we have we have our cabin for airbnb but we don't have

[2:42:24] Voice 11: our trailer.

[2:42:30] Voice 5: Anything further on this?

[2:42:37] Voice 5: So

[2:42:38] Voice 1: the LTC has the discretion if you can defer the application until

[2:42:46] Voice 1: you know enforcement is dealt with. It is outside of the yoga dome so it is something

[2:42:51] Voice 1: and it is an act it still is an active file it hasn't been closed so that the owner would

[2:42:55] Voice 1: it's you know work with uh bylaw regarding um you know the cabin etc if it you

[2:43:03] Voice 11: know i i'm happy to

[2:43:05] Voice 11: happy to work with with you guys i you know there is no issue and uh i i had actually uh brought this

[2:43:10] Voice 11: up to uh uh planner caproff about it because i i knew that the file was still open and i said i

[2:43:18] Voice 11: wanted to make sure that uh it didn't cause any problems and uh i think i believe it has been

[2:43:23] Voice 11: uh at least a couple years since it has closed so i just wanted to uh i see it is left open so

[2:43:29] Voice 11: i just wanted to make sure it's all

[2:43:32] Voice 7: mr chair unless it's um it's germane to the application

[2:43:47] Voice 7: okay certainly thank you for that advice um so trustees how would you like to proceed

[2:43:53] Voice 7: I move that the Salisbury Animal Trust Committee approve issuance of development variance permit

[2:43:58] Voice 7: that says DBP 2021.23. I move and second it. Any further discussion? I'll call the question

[2:44:07] Voice 7: all in favor. And that carries. Okay, so that brings us to 13.4 on page 164. And I believe

[2:44:20] Voice 7: believe this one is coming to

[2:44:22] Voice 5: us from Planner Buchan. Good afternoon.

[2:44:29] Voice 9: I have a few permit

[2:44:30] Voice 9: applications in front of you today, starting with SSDVP2023.4. The applicant applied earlier

[2:44:36] Voice 9: this year for a setback relaxation in order to complete the building permit process through the

[2:44:41] Voice 9: CRD for a partially constructed accessory building. The subject building is located within the 10

[2:44:46] Voice 9: meter wide panhandle driveway and is currently set back 2.6 meters from the panhandle southwest

[2:44:51] Voice 9: southwest sidewalk line. The applicant is requesting a 25% relaxation of this setback

[2:44:56] Voice 9: requirement from three meters. In addition, through staff review, we identified an additional

[2:45:02] Voice 9: variance required with the presence of multiple accessory buildings on sites. The attached staff

[2:45:06] Voice 9: report identifies a total of eight existing accessory buildings with a total combined floor

[2:45:11] Voice 9: area of 137.9 square meters. As the property size is 0.91 hectares, the land use bylaw restricts

[2:45:19] Voice 9: the maximum floor area to 70 square meters,

[2:45:22] Voice 9: excluding one building below 25 square meters.

[2:45:24] Voice 9: With this in mind, staff recommend approval

[2:45:26] Voice 9: of the total combined floor area increase

[2:45:29] Voice 9: for the accessory buildings.

[2:45:30] Voice 9: Staff find there is sufficient rationale

[2:45:33] Voice 9: to approve the variances for the following reasons.

[2:45:35] Voice 9: While the combined accessory building floor area is surpassed,

[2:45:38] Voice 9: the actual 2.2% lot coverage is far below

[2:45:41] Voice 9: the 35% maximum lot coverage.

[2:45:43] Voice 9: The property is effectively screened by dense forest cover

[2:45:46] Voice 9: from the public roadway and the neighboring properties.

[2:45:49] Voice 9: and the nature of the panhandle design further screens all the accessory buildings from the

[2:45:55] Voice 9: neighbors and public views. I am happy to answer any further questions that the LTC may have. I

[2:46:01] Voice 9: don't see the applicant here on Zoom, but I'm not sure if he's in the crowd there in person.

[2:46:06] Voice 5: The applicant here in person? No? Okay, any questions for Senator Buchan?

[2:46:13] Trustee Patrick: No, this is an active agricultural property, isn't it?

[2:46:18] Voice 9: It's in the AOR. There are some agricultural activities going on.

[2:46:21] Voice 9: yeah

[2:46:22] Voice 5: that's good any further i

[2:46:27] Trustee Patrick: can i'm happy to move the motion i move that

[2:46:29] Trustee Patrick: south spring island local trust committee approve issue and sub ssdvp 2023.4 so

[2:46:34] Voice 7: move to have a

[2:46:35] Voice 7: seconder and any further discussion i'll

[2:46:39] Voice 5: call the question all in favor and that carries

[2:46:43] Voice 5: So all that brings us to 13

[2:46:52] Voice 7: .5, page 179, also Planner Bucket.

[2:46:57] Voice 9: All right, so next up is a variance request associated with subdivision file SS sub-2023.1. This is file SS-DVP-2023.10.

[2:47:07] Voice 9: The subject property is located at the junction of Hillgrove Road and Head Street, while accessed through the western neighboring lots due to the significant grade abutting the roadways.

[2:47:17] Voice 9: The applicant requests a variance to the stormwater drainage requirements imposed on a boundary adjustment application.

[2:47:23] Voice 9: These requirements include both the design of the stormwater management plan from a civil engineer and the construction of the said design.

[2:47:30] Voice 9: Staff are supportive of the variance request as the proposed boundary adjustment does not contemplate changes or improvements to the land, nor does it increase the total allowable density or coverage of the lots.

[2:47:41] Voice 9: If the variances are approved, all the Islands Trust subdivision requirements would be met

[2:47:45] Voice 9: and the applicant could proceed through final approval with the approving officer.

[2:47:49] Voice 9: I am happy to answer any further questions and again, I don't see the applicant on Zoom,

[2:47:53] Voice 9: but he may be in person in the crowd there.

[2:47:56] Voice 5: Thank you for that. Would you like to add anything?

[2:48:00] Voice 5: Sure, Jordan, but you go first. Appreciate the support of the planning staff.

[2:48:08] Voice 5: The boundary is kind of a funny thing in that there

[2:48:11] Voice 7: is no simple legal mechanism to adjust

[2:48:14] Voice 13: the property plan other than going through the whole subject process.

[2:48:18] Voice 13: So in this case, our clients simply want to adjust the boundary with their neighbor so

[2:48:23] Voice 13: that the land in front of the cabin is actually part of the land that the cabin is built on.

[2:48:28] Voice 13: So it involves adjusting the boundaries such that about 250 square meters move from one

[2:48:34] log to the next.

[2:48:34] it's a my opinion is pretty

[2:48:36] Voice 7: trivial about the land that's being moved but the only way we can

[2:48:40] Voice 13: do that is through this process so as chris mentioned there's many prepared changes to the

[2:48:46] Voice 13: lab our clients might have a home inside a cottage it's fully built out what we would be doing is

[2:48:53] Voice 5: impacting a yard area essentially any questions no thank you don't have any questions okay

[2:49:00] Voice 5: Okay, I'd like to proceed

[2:49:03] Voice 7: with the motion.

[2:49:04] Voice 7: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:49:06] Voice 7: approve Development Variance Permit SSDBP2023.10.

[2:49:12] Voice 5: Second.

[2:49:13] Voice 5: Motion seconded.

[2:49:14] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[2:49:16] Voice 7: I'll call the question.

[2:49:18] Voice 5: All in favor?

[2:49:19] Voice 5: And the motion carries.

[2:49:22] Voice 7: And that takes you.

[2:49:25] Voice 7: And that takes us to page 194.

[2:49:30] Voice 9: Planner Buchan again.

[2:49:31] Voice 9: All right, so we have a lot frontage waiver and variance request in correlation with subdivision file SS sub 2021.6 for a property located at 1281 Fulford Ganges Road.

[2:49:43] Voice 9: The applicant is proposing a two lot subdivision with proposed lot B utilizing a panhandle design.

[2:49:48] Voice 9: While the Local Government Act and Land Use By-law require a minimum 10% lot frontage, a local government can, through resolution and variance, reduce this frontage.

[2:49:57] Voice 9: In this case, the applicant is proposing a frontage of 10.248 meters, translating to a 1.15% frontage.

[2:50:06] Voice 9: While the land use filer requires a minimum 10% frontage, it also includes panhandle lot specifications under Section 5.4 in the case of frontage waivers.

[2:50:15] Voice 9: Staff find that the proposed design is in compliance with Section 5.4 and recommends approval of the draft permit attached to this report.

[2:50:21] Voice 9: The applicant could proceed through subdivision approval once this frontage requirement has been addressed.

[2:50:27] Voice 9: and I believe the applicant has joined us over zoom today to address any questions

[2:50:30] Voice 9: uh if you have any thank you okay

[2:50:33] Voice 5: thank you anything from the applicant to add uh nope

[2:50:39] Voice 12: thanks thanks for having me here um happy to answer any questions you have any

[2:50:46] Voice 7: questions for

[2:50:46] Voice 7: staff or applicant Mr Patrick my

[2:50:49] Trustee Patrick: only question is is access I understand the panhandle for lot

[2:50:53] Trustee Patrick: lot purposes, but is the intent to drive a new driveway

[2:50:57] Trustee Patrick: up through to the other lot, through the panhandle?

[2:51:01] Voice 12: No, the current intent is to use an easement

[2:51:05] Voice 12: over the other, using the existing driveway.

[2:51:08] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:51:12] Voice 5: Anything further questions?

[2:51:15] Voice 5: All right, see a two resolutions.

[2:51:20] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:51:22] Trustee Patrick: approved development variance permit ssdbp 2023.12 so

[2:51:28] Voice 5: moved the seconder and any further discussion

[2:51:34] Voice 5: all the

[2:51:35] Voice 7: questions all in favor and that carries and the second

[2:51:39] Voice 7: sure uh

[2:51:42] Trustee Patrick: i moved up the salisbury island

[2:51:43] Voice 5: local trust committee uh i guess we could have done

[2:51:48] Voice 5: this all in one motion no uh trust me oh

[2:51:52] Trustee Patrick: i say with reference to section i'm trying to make

[2:51:54] Trustee Patrick: with reference to section 512.2 of the local government act approved the frontage relief

[2:52:01] Trustee Patrick: from the required 10 to 1.15 percent were posed a lot b as shown on the plan of subdivision

[2:52:09] Trustee Patrick: in detachment three of the report from planner bucking dated october 12 2023 so

[2:52:17] Voice 7: moved and seconded

[2:52:18] Voice 7: any further discussion i'll call the question all in favor and that carries as well uh next up on

[2:52:28] Voice 7: page 208 um and this is platterbuck and again

[2:52:35] Voice 9: so last up here we have a joint application before

[2:52:39] Voice 9: you today uh for a development permit under dpa2 uh non-village commercial and general employment

[2:52:44] Voice 9: and for a development variance permit to increase the maximum allowable building

[2:52:49] Voice 9: building height from 7.6 meters to 11.1 meters. The subject property is located at 319 Upper

[2:52:55] Voice 9: Ganges Road. The applicant proposes a new development servicing as an extension to

[2:52:59] Voice 9: Building A, which was previously permitted under a development permit in 2004. The proposed design

[2:53:04] Voice 9: will maintain the existing building height while stepping down the slope. The concept utilizes blue

[2:53:09] Voice 9: and green roof designs to mitigate stormwater runoff and retain water for the operation's use.

[2:53:14] Voice 9: Currently, the site is under operation for retail and food preparation uses, with the occasional outdoor event falling under the creative industry use definition.

[2:53:22] Voice 9: Starting with the development permit through staff review, we found that the proposed development is in substantial compliance with the 25 applicable development permit guidelines, with an 88% full compliance rate, a 4% partial compliance rate, and a 8% non-compliance rate.

[2:53:38] Voice 9: rate. The two guidelines that were not met are the following. Guideline E.2.6.1, which states

[2:53:45] Voice 9: building height should not exceed that permitted by local bylaws and should minimize the obstruction

[2:53:49] Voice 9: of views from neighboring structures. And two, Guideline E.2.9.3, which states incandescent

[2:53:57] Voice 9: fixtures are preferred. So the applicant has rationalized the requested height variance

[2:54:02] Voice 9: for the following points. First, due to the business logistics for the extension to the

[2:54:06] Voice 9: warehouse space and retail storefronts the extra height is required to meet operational needs

[2:54:11] Voice 9: and two the building extension would step down from the existing 11 meter building with apparent

[2:54:16] Voice 9: massing broken up to reduce the impact to adjacent viewpoints additionally the applicant proposed

[2:54:22] Voice 9: very few led lighting fixtures which are dimmable by design to reduce impact neighbors so with this

[2:54:28] Voice 9: in mind staff recommend approval of the conceptual development as proposed in the two attached draft

[2:54:33] Voice 9: draft permits. The applicant is also present here over Zoom and I think the owner is here in person

[2:54:38] Voice 9: to answer any LTC questions if you have any. Thank you.

[2:54:42] Voice 7: Okay anything further from the applicant or

[2:54:45] Voice 7: owner here?

[2:54:47] Voice 13: No this was this is just a continuation of something that was highlighted in the first

[2:54:53] Voice 13: application about a year ago and kind of completion of phase one is up and running

[2:54:59] Voice 13: and businesses there and happy to answer any questions I appreciate we don't meet everyone

[2:55:08] Voice 13: but things like incandescent lights and stuff is probably obsolete it's just not a green way

[2:55:14] Voice 13: of doing things anyway we've tried to comply in every way and and some of the limitations is

[2:55:21] Voice 13: what we think of as a technical issue because the existing building is is overhyped and was

[2:55:28] Voice 13: approved in 04 but that's no longer the rule so we're kind of stuck with it um so with that i'm

[2:55:35] Voice 13: happy to answer any questions it's a it's a big project and we hope we can proceed

[2:55:41] Voice 5: any questions

[2:55:43] Voice 5: for staff or anything else absolutely it's been interesting

[2:55:49] Trustee Patrick: to see this building uh or this

[2:55:51] Trustee Patrick: project begin and go it looks like it's been very well received by the public for the offerings that

[2:56:00] Trustee Patrick: you you're providing um yeah

[2:56:03] Voice 13: the businesses have uh have all done well and and continue to do well

[2:56:08] Voice 13: i think we're heading into our first winter so that'll be interesting but uh it's been very very

[2:56:13] Voice 13: very well received and to the best of knowledge

[2:56:18] Voice 13: without any criticism from our neighbors

[2:56:22] Voice 13: or any issue like that.

[2:56:24] Trustee Patrick: And I know I've spoke with you

[2:56:25] Trustee Patrick: and some of the other citizens I'll mention,

[2:56:27] Trustee Patrick: as we do talk about Ganges Village planning

[2:56:30] Trustee Patrick: and so forth going,

[2:56:31] Trustee Patrick: I really see this area as part of Ganges Village

[2:56:34] Trustee Patrick: and it behooves us as we move forward

[2:56:37] Trustee Patrick: to really think of this entire commercial area

[2:56:41] Trustee Patrick: as part of Ganges to have a better connection and tie down the road for making it function.

[2:56:48] Voice 13: You might be aware that it's also driven some activity of our neighboring properties

[2:56:53] Voice 13: that we had nothing to do with.

[2:56:55] Voice 13: It's just that the flow of customers into that area has allowed other people to do better as well.

[2:57:04] Voice 13: and we're everybody's supportive with the with the events thing that Chris

[2:57:12] Voice 7: mentioned all the neighbors chipped in and allowed parking and collaborative it

[2:57:18] Voice 7: was a reasonably well

[2:57:20] Voice 13: received and positive event if anybody happened to

[2:57:24] Voice 13: purchase this I believe I don't believe there was any any concern of the

[2:57:32] Voice 13: neighbors with respect to the variance um i i don't see that as a big issue they did i didn't

[2:57:40] Voice 13: talk to a couple of them and they just said relations anything further for the questions

[2:57:47] Voice 5: um someone like to make promotion i

[2:57:51] Voice 7: move that the salts brown local trust committee improve

[2:57:53] Voice 7: issuance of development permit assessed dp 202 3.4 moves and seconded any further discussion

[2:58:02] Voice 7: call the question all in favor and that carries and then the second one i move that the souls

[2:58:07] Voice 7: grant will the trust committee improve issuance of development variance permit ssdp 2023.11

[2:58:15] Voice 7: seconded any further discussion call the question all in favor and that carries as well much

[2:58:21] Voice 7: appreciated thanks to

[2:58:23] Voice 13: the planner as well good

[2:58:24] Voice 7: work okay so that moves us on to page 265 and

[2:58:32] Voice 7: And we have a staff report from Planner Patino here.

[2:58:38] Voice 10: Good afternoon, trustees.

[2:58:41] Voice 10: I hope you're all doing well.

[2:58:42] Voice 10: Today I bring forward application SSRZ 2022.1.

[2:58:48] Voice 10: The staff report proposes amendments

[2:58:50] Voice 10: to the Salt Spring Island land use bylaw

[2:58:53] Voice 10: to vary the zoning to allow for four dwellings

[2:58:55] Voice 10: and one seasonal cottage on the subject property.

[2:58:58] Voice 10: Whereas currently one dwelling

[2:59:00] Voice 10: and one seasonal cottage is permitted.

[2:59:04] Voice 10: uh the applicant is seeking to use provisions in the ocp under policy h.2 to create shared

[2:59:11] Voice 10: resident short shared residential zoning on the subject property in order to do this a zone

[2:59:15] Voice 10: variation is needed to allow for the proposed four single family dwellings and one total seasonal

[2:59:22] Voice 10: cottage on the subject property under the existing zoning the site could yield seven lots seven

[2:59:27] Voice 10: single family dwellings and seven seasonal cottages given the potential for this site

[2:59:31] Voice 10: through existing zoning the request is considerably lesser than what what the site can yield through

[2:59:37] Voice 10: subdivision on the land staff is of the opinion that the pro the proposed development is suitable

[2:59:42] Voice 10: for the subject property and given the scale of the proposal the size of the property and

[2:59:46] Voice 10: the materials provided is recommended that the draft bylaw be read a first and second time

[2:59:51] Voice 10: additionally the province of bc passed legislation that allowed local governments to waive the

[2:59:55] Voice 10: requirement for a public hearing on a zoning bylaw amendment application if the proposed was consistent

[3:00:00] Voice 10: with the ocp given that the proposal is a supported use it aligns with relevant relevant policies

[3:00:06] Voice 10: in staff's opinion and is considered with the policy and is consistent with policy h.2

[3:00:12] Voice 10: which allows for this type of shared residential zoning that allows multiple dwellings without

[3:00:17] Voice 10: subdivision being necessary staff recommend that the ssltc waive the requirement for public hearing

[3:00:22] Voice 10: on the proposed bylaw and the applicant is online to answer any questions if necessary

[3:00:28] Voice 10: necessary. Thank

[3:00:30] Voice 7: you. Would the applicant like to add anything at this time?

[3:00:36] Voice 2: Yeah, I just jumped on

[3:00:37] Voice 2: as Anthony was getting kind of to the close here, but I think that was really good. You know, like

[3:00:42] Voice 2: he stated there, this is a property owned by myself and my wife and our two little boys,

[3:00:48] Voice 2: and we're basically just looking to have our family on here and have the possibility to have

[3:00:53] Voice 2: our parents on here and so forth. So that's kind of what we're up to here. And yeah,

[3:00:59] Voice 2: Yeah, I appreciate the time and consideration.

[3:01:02] Voice 7: Yeah, thank you.

[3:01:03] Voice 7: Any questions for the planner or applicant?

[3:01:07] Voice 7: Trustee Patrick.

[3:01:07] Voice 7: Yes,

[3:01:08] Voice 5: I have questions.

[3:01:13] Voice 5: Yeah, I've reviewed, I mean, in general,

[3:01:16] Trustee Patrick: I absolutely support the concept of sort of giving up

[3:01:23] Trustee Patrick: subdivision potential for homes.

[3:01:28] Trustee Patrick: And I guess first, I guess,

[3:01:29] Trustee Patrick: is there gonna be a covenant

[3:01:32] Trustee Patrick: on title for no further subdivision yes

[3:01:35] Voice 10: so the the applicant is supportive with a um a covenant

[3:01:39] Voice 10: being on uh the the on title that restricts for uh future subdivision potential so um this site

[3:01:48] Voice 10: will only have the requested four uh dwellings and one seasonal cottage um

[3:01:55] Voice 5: the other i mean thing

[3:01:58] Voice 5: that

[3:01:58] Trustee Patrick: really makes my interest for this is the concept of clustering and to uh protect the

[3:02:07] Trustee Patrick: property and i'm still very frustrated we had a had a data uh data set created just for this

[3:02:13] Trustee Patrick: purpose to be able to say what part of the property had the highest kind of value from an

[3:02:18] Trustee Patrick: ecological standpoint that somehow vaporized and i hope we find it and put it back to use again

[3:02:24] Trustee Patrick: Again, it should have been used for this property.

[3:02:26] Trustee Patrick: But there is supposed to be a clustering, 20% to 30% of the parcel for this to be used.

[3:02:35] Trustee Patrick: And while there's no map in this one, there was in the development permit earlier, and this is not clustering.

[3:02:43] Trustee Patrick: And I'm concerned about not having the clustering.

[3:02:46] Trustee Patrick: the

[3:02:47] Voice 10: the and i i agree with uh through through the chair i agree with um trustee patrick's analysis

[3:02:53] Voice 10: um when i was reviewing the application the thing i found with this is that it's very

[3:02:59] Voice 10: it's it's quite geographically constrained in where uh potential building sites can be put

[3:03:05] Voice 10: and based on the the report from the geotechnical engineer these sites were carefully chosen

[3:03:10] Voice 10: in based on their locations and to minimize any sort of risk because of the development permit

[3:03:16] Voice 10: areas that are on the land.

[3:03:22] Voice 5: I mean yes on how close you want your

[3:03:26] Trustee Patrick: house to be I mean this is

[3:03:28] Trustee Patrick: 160 acres or whatever this is and how many acres 165 acres it's 60.

[3:03:35] Voice 2: 155. How

[3:03:36] Trustee Patrick: close are we you know

[3:03:38] Trustee Patrick: was the parameter of saying they didn't want the houses near each other I mean this is

[3:03:43] Trustee Patrick: To say there's no building lots and you have to go scattered over the full 165 acres is interesting.

[3:03:51] Voice 2: Yeah, if you look at the original mapping that we showed, we showed that we actually were within that clustering category.

[3:03:58] Voice 2: I have to look at the exact percentage. I believe it was 28% or something of the actual total property.

[3:04:03] Voice 2: So we are actually following within that clustering.

[3:04:06] Voice 2: They are not obviously directly beside each other, which wouldn't really make sense for families to live right beside each other.

[3:04:12] Voice 2: if you have 160 acres for that um but uh you know they they have been carefully selected like

[3:04:18] Voice 2: anthony said with the geotechnical uh reports and also with you know the the flat enough and and

[3:04:24] Voice 2: good enough building sites but also it is that with falling within that 30 percent um clustering

[3:04:31] Voice 2: portion so

[3:04:32] Voice 10: just to just to uh so attachment four would show the the building site locations in

[3:04:39] Voice 10: this package thank

[3:04:45] Voice 5: you trustee Harris I just want to

[3:04:48] Voice 7: applaud the planners his

[3:04:50] Voice 7: hard work here and and also applaud the owners for their gumption and vision

[3:04:56] Voice 7: developing this property in the way that there is trying to do I'm prepared to

[3:05:02] Voice 7: support all these recommendations thank you well

[3:05:09] Trustee Patrick: I'm I'm prepared to give it to

[3:05:13] Trustee Patrick: do the readings but i'm not prepared to waive public hearing on a couple of grounds one is i'd

[3:05:18] Trustee Patrick: like i'd like to see more of this happen i'd like to see the larger lots protected in exchange um

[3:05:24] Trustee Patrick: for housing and um but i i'd like to um uh you know get that out there this is a part of the

[3:05:34] Trustee Patrick: island that's you know it's quite large it has been rather not used and um and i think there

[3:05:40] Trustee Patrick: could be some interesting comments as a result. I did forget there was one other question. Do you

[3:05:45] Trustee Patrick: use helicopters to access this property?

[3:05:49] Voice 2: No, no. It's on Musgrave Road, and we drive to the

[3:05:53] Voice 2: property.

[3:05:53] Trustee Patrick: But have you used helicopters?

[3:05:56] Voice 2: Yeah. So when we first bought the property, I came over a

[3:06:00] Voice 2: couple of times with a helicopter, yeah. So just to give the clarification on that, I'm a part

[3:06:05] Voice 2: owner in BC Helicopters, which is a flight training school over in Abbotsford. And I'm

[3:06:11] Voice 2: still an owner of that, but I no longer work directly with them. I basically do flight tests

[3:06:16] Voice 2: with them on occasion. So I go back to Abbotsford for those flight tests. I don't personally have

[3:06:21] Voice 2: a helicopter. So that's with the company over there. And so I have flown a couple of times

[3:06:25] Voice 2: with the helicopter over here, but my work is online now. I run a sales and marketing company

[3:06:31] Voice 2: company for Hill Helicopters which is based in the UK and they're building a new helicopter that's

[3:06:36] Voice 2: going to be manufactured in the UK and so myself and a partner we do all the sales and marketing

[3:06:41] Voice 2: for that company so I work online for that.

[3:06:47] Trustee Patrick: Yeah so yeah that's I mean to me my understanding why

[3:06:51] Trustee Patrick: the province brought the rule to waive the public hearings was for was under the umbrella of

[3:06:55] Trustee Patrick: affordable housing that we could push affordable housing rezonings through process quickly and I'd

[3:07:01] Trustee Patrick: I'd say this doesn't quite meet that as well.

[3:07:05] Trustee Patrick: So like I said, I'm happy to give it first and second reading today,

[3:07:08] Trustee Patrick: but I am uncomfortable with waiving the public hearing.

[3:07:13] Voice 7: Could we get

[3:07:14] Voice 7: some staff clarification on that last point?

[3:07:18] Voice 10: Through the chair.

[3:07:19] Voice 10: My understanding is that in order to waive the public hearing,

[3:07:24] Voice 10: the rezoning application just has to be consistent with the OCP.

[3:07:28] Voice 10: I have done files on other islands where we did waive for rezonings that didn't have

[3:07:37] Voice 10: affordable housing components. So it's my interpretation that this would fall under

[3:07:45] Voice 10: that legislation where we would be able to waive the public hearing if it was consistent with the

[3:07:51] Voice 10: OCP but

[3:07:53] Trustee Patrick: it's discretionary yeah

[3:07:55] Voice 10: it's up it it's up to the LTC to make the the final decision if

[3:07:59] Voice 10: they believe that the public hearing should be waived and just a point of clarification before

[3:08:05] Voice 10: Trustee Harris speaks if if the LTC did choose not to waive the public hearing

[3:08:11] Voice 10: but did want to go through with the the readings we would do first reading today and then second

[3:08:17] Voice 10: reading would follow the public hearing thank

[3:08:20] Voice 7: you trustee eric uh i'm fully in support of

[3:08:23] Voice 7: waving the public hearings um especially when i take into account um what has happened with

[3:08:29] Voice 7: section three of the mandate um describing our preserve and protect of the natural environment

[3:08:36] Voice 7: and unique amenities and what the definition of unique amenities is and this falls under

[3:08:41] Voice 7: that and we need to take a balanced approach and whatever we do regarding

[3:08:45] Voice 7: regarding the aforementioned.

[3:08:48] Voice 7: For that reason, I'm in full support

[3:08:50] Voice 7: of waiving this public hearing at this point.

[3:08:53] Voice 7: This is 165 acres.

[3:08:54] Voice 7: We're talking about four dwellings.

[3:08:56] Voice 7: It's already been downsized from seven.

[3:08:59] Voice 7: I don't see any reason to belabor this point.

[3:09:06] Voice 7: Again, I really applaud the planner's hard work

[3:09:11] Voice 7: and I applaud the owners for their gumption and vision.

[3:09:16] Voice 7: prepared to move on

[3:09:16] Voice 5: with these recommendations now okay uh thank you for that um can

[3:09:25] Voice 10: i make one

[3:09:26] Voice 10: one more point um if uh the ltc were to uh choose to to support staff's recommendation about uh

[3:09:35] Voice 10: um waiving the public hearing uh the it would include uh as as i wrote in recommendation

[3:09:42] Voice 10: recommendation number three with the requirement

[3:09:46] Voice 10: that a covenant subject to section 219

[3:09:48] Voice 10: of the Land Titles Act will be registered on title

[3:09:50] Voice 10: that satisfies policy H.2.1.3

[3:09:53] Voice 10: of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:09:55] Voice 10: Official Community Plan By-law 434-2008

[3:09:58] Voice 10: prior to adoption of the by-law.

[3:10:04] Voice 7: So just point of clarification,

[3:10:06] Voice 7: is that covenant subject to the waiving

[3:10:11] Voice 7: or or is that could be a matter of course yes

[3:10:16] Voice 10: so so in order for the uh the the rezoning to

[3:10:21] Voice 10: get final approval and adoption uh that that covenant will need to be in place the covenant

[3:10:27] Voice 10: that we spoke about

[3:10:29] Voice 5: why is that

[3:10:31] Voice 5: why

[3:10:32] Trustee Patrick: is the uh why is that being put on the waving of the hearing

[3:10:36] Trustee Patrick: and not being commented as part of the motion for giving a first reading uh

[3:10:42] Voice 10: because there is the

[3:10:43] Voice 10: intent for the covenant. And that intent is with H.2.1.3, where the covenant is specifically

[3:10:52] Voice 10: mentioned. I understand

[3:10:57] Trustee Patrick: that. Why can't the motion regarding first reading have the reference to the

[3:11:05] Trustee Patrick: eventual covenant? Why is it related to waiving the public hearing?

[3:11:10] Voice 10: well because because it got uh chris can can

[3:11:14] Voice 7: go ahead the government should be registered

[3:11:16] Voice 7: regardless if the application is approved so that that requirement has to come at some point

[3:11:22] Voice 7: it's if we have a public hearing we would we would suggest that at the time of either second

[3:11:28] Voice 7: or third reading uh because

[3:11:29] Voice 14: ultimately as long as that condition is put in place prior to third

[3:11:32] Voice 14: reading um

[3:11:33] Voice 5: the adoption would not come back until that work is completed so it's just a yeah no i

[3:11:41] Voice 5: I understand

[3:11:41] Voice 5: that,

[3:11:43] Trustee Patrick: but it shouldn't have been packaged in that way.

[3:11:45] Voice 7: And I understand it, too, because I was wondering if that was contingent on the waiver or not.

[3:11:53] Voice 10: Yes, because.

[3:11:55] Voice 7: Sorry, go ahead.

[3:11:57] Voice 10: I was just going to say, because in H.2.1.3, the covenant is a requirement in there.

[3:12:02] Voice 10: So essentially what we're saying is that it is consistent with the OCP because there is that intent for a covenant.

[3:12:09] Voice 10: And we wanted to make that clear in the resolution that that needs to be in place for that portion.

[3:12:18] Voice 7: Thank you, Governor Coutinho, for explaining that so well and making it so very clear as to why it's in the third recommendation.

[3:12:30] Voice 5: I'm prepared to start making motions.

[3:12:35] Voice 7: Well, we have three here.

[3:12:37] Voice 7: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:12:39] Voice 7: bylaw number 536 cited as

[3:12:42] Voice 7: Salt Spring Island land use bylaw

[3:12:43] Voice 7: number 355

[3:12:44] Voice 7: 1999

[3:12:47] Voice 7: amendment number 1

[3:12:48] Voice 7: 202.3 be read if there is time

[3:12:53] Voice 7: SSRZ

[3:12:53] Voice 7: 202.1

[3:12:55] Voice 7: section 50

[3:12:57] Voice 7: Musgrave Road

[3:12:58] Voice 7: So moved

[3:13:00] Voice 7: and seconded

[3:13:03] Voice 7: for the discussion on the motion

[3:13:06] Trustee Patrick: like i said i'm i'm trying to give it a first reading but um yes okay

[3:13:11] Voice 7: uh call the question

[3:13:13] Voice 7: all in favor and that carries uh i move that solstice my local trust committee bylaw number

[3:13:19] Voice 7: 536 cited assaults brown on land use bylaw number three five five one nine nine nine amendment

[3:13:26] Voice 7: amendment number one 202 3 be read a second time SSRZ 202.1 section 15 West Grave Road

[3:13:36] Voice 5: second second and discussion just to Patrick like

[3:13:41] Trustee Patrick: I said I at this time I'm not prepared to give it

[3:13:44] Trustee Patrick: second reading I would prefer not to waive the public hearing um primarily because I'm very

[3:13:49] Trustee Patrick: interested in bringing attention to the this type of of development with some but I'm not quite

[3:13:57] Trustee Patrick: quite certain it does meet you know with I understand if you calculate where those property

[3:14:03] Trustee Patrick: lines are I don't I don't personally see this as clustering in what I would call clustering

[3:14:08] Voice 5: um but so that therefore I can't I will vote against it I see I'm in full support of this

[3:14:20] Voice 7: and of waiving the public hearing it's not up to us in my mind and is what I've heard

[3:14:30] Voice 7: the last press council meeting when we're interpreting interpreting the um for certain

[3:14:34] Voice 7: protect mandate and especially regarding the unique amenities we have to go by what legal

[3:14:42] Voice 7: opinion state and so again i'm not taking this personally i'm going with what what the legal

[3:14:51] Voice 7: opinion state how we have to take a balanced approach and this falls right under that to me

[3:14:58] Voice 7: So I'm in support of number two and number three.

[3:15:03] Voice 7: Thank you for that.

[3:15:05] Voice 7: Maybe we could get a little bit more elaboration on the issue of the clustering here.

[3:15:14] Voice 7: In terms of what we have in policy, just so that I'm a little bit more clear.

[3:15:22] Voice 7: I hear Trustee Patrick has some concerns around that or questions around that.

[3:15:28] Voice 7: and i'm going to defer to trustee patrick and then and then we'll we'll come back to that issue maybe

[3:15:33] Voice 7: i

[3:15:33] Trustee Patrick: just wanted to respond to just to hear us i am interpreting conditions of our ocp

[3:15:42] Trustee Patrick: um that that is what our ocp has a couple of things here one driveway access site is supposed

[3:15:49] Trustee Patrick: to be shared and we have the that property building sites should be should be clustered

[3:15:57] Trustee Patrick: um and the remainder is to be left in open space um so that that is i'm looking at those two clauses

[3:16:05] Trustee Patrick: and i'm uncomfortable that my you know the interpretation so that's that is the clauses

[3:16:12] Trustee Patrick: we're looking at if i made

[3:16:14] Voice 7: a response um i think anthony fortino has explained this perfectly

[3:16:19] Voice 7: the players to blend in sort of when we are and again this is a very large property and um

[3:16:27] Voice 7: this isn't so this isn't a problem here just a little maybe either a reiteration or a little bit

[3:16:35] Voice 7: of elaboration on the on the clustering issue my benefit please am

[3:16:39] Voice 2: i able to make a comment

[3:16:42] Voice 7: uh i i'd like to get the the the question on the on the clustering and then and then i'll give you

[3:16:48] Voice 7: opportunity to make a comment it

[3:16:51] Voice 2: is on the clustering but i'll wait until my turn yeah

[3:16:55] Voice 10: through the chair um so i i wasn't aware that it was actually in the 28 which the applicant is

[3:17:03] Voice 10: saying but uh based on my review and my interpretation of the policy and what trustee

[3:17:09] Voice 10: patrick has said it says should be and i think that should be if the the uh conditions are

[3:17:15] Voice 10: are correct for that. I don't think the conditions are right to allow for the clustering to be

[3:17:24] Voice 10: all in that 30% if it is not, which is what I was alluding to when I was mentioning the

[3:17:32] Voice 10: geographic constraints of the site. If the policy said must be, and it was over the 30%,

[3:17:39] Voice 10: I don't think that we could waive because it wouldn't satisfy that. But because it says

[3:17:45] Voice 10: should be i interpret that as not um not binding to that amount okay

[3:17:54] Voice 5: and uh you had another point

[3:17:55] Voice 5: there am

[3:17:57] Voice 2: i allowed to share my screen is that possible or no uh

[3:18:01] Voice 7: no no

[3:18:02] Voice 2: okay um i'm not sure

[3:18:05] Voice 2: the best way to get this to you guys then but um i have in the application that i originally sent

[3:18:09] Voice 2: to anthony uh fatino i had included a slide and on that slide there's a map and i have indicated

[3:18:16] Voice 2: the area that we were planning to have the building sites.

[3:18:20] Voice 2: And the area is 30.76 acres out of the entire property.

[3:18:25] Voice 2: And obviously, I'm looking at this right now.

[3:18:28] Voice 2: It'd be nice to be able to share this with you guys.

[3:18:29] Voice 2: So the calculation that was done, that this covers 20% of the available land.

[3:18:34] Voice 2: So the remaining 124 acres would be left as natural space.

[3:18:38] Voice 2: So that would be covenanted space.

[3:18:40] Voice 2: And so we are actually only utilizing 20% of the property.

[3:18:45] Voice 2: So it is well within that 30% requirement.

[3:18:48] Voice 2: And then it would be nice if I could show you this map, because I could describe it

[3:18:52] Voice 2: a little bit for you in the way that the driveway kind of goes through the property, which was

[3:18:58] Voice 2: basically the old logging roads.

[3:19:00] Voice 2: And on the one side of the property, so on the far northwest side of the property, there's

[3:19:05] Voice 2: a hydro right-of-way that goes through the corner of the property.

[3:19:08] Voice 2: And now we've brought power in from that hydro right-of-way.

[3:19:10] Voice 2: so two of the building sites are actually over in that corner of the property there

[3:19:15] Voice 2: that are going to be connected to power and then there is there really isn't enough area in that

[3:19:21] Voice 2: spot in that spot to be able to put more buildings then there's a large ravine that basically splits

[3:19:27] Voice 2: the entire property down the middle has relatively steep banks on both sides of that ravine with a

[3:19:32] Voice 2: creek running through it and so that whole section in the middle is not really possible to be doing

[3:19:36] Voice 2: any other building and then when you come over to further in the southern portion of the property

[3:19:41] Voice 2: as you get a little bit closer to where spirit lake is kind of closer to the edge of that

[3:19:47] Voice 2: property there there's another kind of flat open area that is good for a building site so that's

[3:19:52] Voice 2: one of the building sites that we had and then further to the east side of the property again

[3:19:57] Voice 2: that that the site that i just mentioned is up on a bit of a pinnacle there isn't really any other

[3:20:02] Voice 2: good building sites around it and then when we get further to the east side of the property

[3:20:06] Voice 2: where the other driveway takes you to again that opens up and flattens out to another spot of the

[3:20:12] Voice 2: property so those last two spots that i mentioned would have to be off grid on solar so when you

[3:20:18] Voice 2: look at the actual geographics of the property i understand it is big but we're on a mountain it is

[3:20:23] Voice 2: very uneven terrain here and so forth and so to have a you know a reasonable location that is

[3:20:29] Voice 2: connected to the current driveways and not having to build new roads it does make the most sense to

[3:20:33] Voice 2: put the building sites in these locations that we determined and uh you know if we can i don't know

[3:20:38] Voice 2: if anthony's able to share this map that i had sent in the original um proposal but it does cover

[3:20:44] Voice 2: 20 of the the land size so it's uh 30.76 acres if

[3:20:52] Voice 5: i may thank

[3:20:53] Voice 7: you for confirming that and your

[3:20:55] Voice 7: explanation about the geographical constraints of that piece of property that solidifies my um

[3:21:03] Voice 7: my support for this motion mr patrick

[3:21:07] Trustee Patrick: i mean i i i hear all of yours i mean i i would consider

[3:21:11] Trustee Patrick: again my definition of clustering's a bit uh is different and i'm i'm open to the public uh

[3:21:18] Trustee Patrick: public hearing i'm not saying my mind cannot be convinced to have changed but i'm i'm uncomfortable

[3:21:24] Trustee Patrick: with waiving the public hearing on this part.

[3:21:27] Trustee Patrick: Because like I said, I do hope to see more of this kind

[3:21:31] Trustee Patrick: of use of these larger lots.

[3:21:33] Trustee Patrick: And I want to be setting a good precedence going forward.

[3:21:37] Trustee Patrick: And that's one of the reasons I want to open this up

[3:21:40] Trustee Patrick: for a public hearing.

[3:21:41] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:21:42] Voice 7: Hi, I'm Mr. DeHart.

[3:21:43] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[3:21:45] Voice 7: I'm a large proponent of private property rights.

[3:21:49] Voice 7: And again, I think that any further discussion

[3:21:54] Voice 7: delay of hoop jumping, you know, hoop jumping exercise is an infringement on those rights.

[3:22:03] Voice 7: Anyway, so again, I'm in full support of this motion.

[3:22:10] Voice 7: Okay, so we have, it's motion two that we have on the floor, which is the second reading.

[3:22:18] Voice 7: I just say that I'm inclined to vote in favor of the second reading.

[3:22:24] Voice 7: i'm not certain that i'm inclined to waive the requirement for public hearing at this time

[3:22:30] Voice 7: but we are on motion number two so um is there anything further on on the second reading

[3:22:39] Voice 7: no okay so uh i'm going to call the question all those in favor and any opposed

[3:22:47] Voice 7: do you like your opposition no um

[3:22:48] Voice 16: no i do not okay

[3:22:51] Voice 7: so that has carried um there is a third motion i

[3:22:56] Voice 7: I move that Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[3:22:58] Voice 7: waive the requirement for public hearing,

[3:23:00] Voice 7: or aid public hearing, sorry,

[3:23:02] Voice 7: for Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[3:23:04] Voice 7: by-law number 536,

[3:23:06] Voice 7: cited as Salisbury Island Man-Used By-law

[3:23:08] Voice 7: number 3551999,

[3:23:11] Voice 7: amendment number 12023,

[3:23:14] Voice 7: and request staff to proceed with public notification

[3:23:17] Voice 7: as per section 464 of the Local Government Act

[3:23:20] Voice 7: as the by-law is consistent

[3:23:22] Voice 7: with the Salisbury Island Official Community Plan

[3:23:24] Voice 7: number 434-2008 with the requirement that a covenant subject to section 219 of the Land

[3:23:32] Voice 7: Title Act will be registered on title that satisfies policy H.2.1.3 of the Salt Spring

[3:23:39] Voice 7: Island Local Trust Committee Official Community Plan bylaw number 434-2008 prior to adoption

[3:23:47] Voice 7: from Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 536 cited as Salt Spring Island

[3:23:51] Voice 7: land use bylaw number three five five one nine nine nine amendment number one two zero two three

[3:23:59] Voice 7: uh so moved i

[3:24:01] Voice 16: will second for discussion and

[3:24:02] Voice 7: seconded

[3:24:04] Voice 5: and discussion uh

[3:24:06] Trustee Patrick: i've already said

[3:24:07] Trustee Patrick: uh and indicated that i cannot support uh waving the public hearing at this time i

[3:24:14] Voice 7: would add that

[3:24:15] Voice 7: uh i'm quite uncomfortable uh uh waiving the requirement for public hearing um trustee

[3:24:24] Voice 7: Patrick has mentioned the idea that a public hearing could actually increase awareness of this type of development,

[3:24:36] Voice 7: which is, I think they're all in agreement that this is a good, in general, a good reduced density on this property.

[3:24:49] Voice 7: And I certainly applaud that as well.

[3:24:54] Voice 7: um but yeah i would also say that i'm not um i'm not comfortable with waiving the required

[3:25:01] Voice 7: requirement for republic hearing um just sort of in principle

[3:25:05] Voice 5: um because i think it's important

[3:25:09] Voice 5: to hear from the public for me yeah um in a case like this i think it's um

[3:25:15] Voice 7: completely applicable

[3:25:17] Voice 7: applicable to do a waived public hearing it's been explained quite quite well in my mind by

[3:25:28] Voice 7: the planner and it states how it is consistent with the OCP I don't like the idea of

[3:25:38] Voice 7: they'll be laboring this and spending more time and it's not going to make a difference

[3:25:47] Voice 7: in any way shape or form and only possibly stir up opposition to people exercising their private

[3:25:57] Voice 7: property rights again i applaud the owner for their gumption and vision here for support

[3:26:05] recommendation number three

[3:26:06] Voice 5: that will be voting in favor okay thank you for that anything further

[3:26:14] Voice 5: okay not seeing any i will call the question all those in favor and those opposed and the motion

[3:26:22] Voice 5: is defeated and uh motion to schedule a public hearing yes i

[3:26:31] Voice 5: think we're just looking to stop

[3:26:33] Voice 7: stop that's the appropriate thing a motion to schedule a public hearing yes uh mr chair it

[3:26:38] Voice 7: suggests that you um look to believe that um option one should contain appropriate wording

[3:26:45] Voice 7: um to correct me on that close to the bottom of the report then i would imagine page 272.

[3:26:58] Voice 7: 270 so up to three two i've got it option three thank you mr chair yeah

[3:27:03] Voice 14: it's actually option

[3:27:03] Voice 14: number three uh would be not with public hearing and request staff

[3:27:10] Voice 7: levels so like okay that's

[3:27:13] Trustee Patrick: um trying to move the self-made and local trust committee not waive the requirement for a public

[3:27:18] Trustee Patrick: hearing on bylaw number 536 cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment

[3:27:26] Trustee Patrick: number one 2023 request staff to undertake a statutory notification of proposed rezoning

[3:27:32] Trustee Patrick: in accordance with section 466 of the local government act and the salt spring island

[3:27:37] Trustee Patrick: development procedure bylaw number 304.

[3:27:40] Voice 7: moved and i'll second that mr chair yes i thought

[3:27:45] Voice 7: Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt. I'll let you

[3:27:46] Voice 7: finish that conversation.

[3:27:48] Voice 7: It's just been moved and seconded.

[3:27:50] Voice 7: Well, Mr. Pinkle was just pointing out to me that we did

[3:27:53] Voice 14: have the other option to refer this application.

[3:27:56] Voice 7: LTC may wish to consider that as well, but that would be a separate consideration from this discussion right now.

[3:28:03] Voice 7: So you can do that after.

[3:28:06] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:28:07] Voice 7: So let's proceed with the motion on the floor then.

[3:28:10] Voice 7: Discussion.

[3:28:11] Voice 7: Discussion, yes.

[3:28:12] Voice 7: i'm deeply troubled and i will not be by this motion and will not be in support of it but i

[3:28:19] Voice 7: i i won't get into it any further i think maybe i've said it often but i will not be

[3:28:26] Voice 7: in favor of this motion okay thank you for that anything for me just patrick um

[3:28:32] Voice 16: no i guess maybe

[3:28:35] Voice 7: i have one more thing to add i think this completely goes against um a lot of the stuff

[3:28:41] Voice 7: that we've been making developments with the trust council level of the governance committee

[3:28:47] Voice 7: and i'm afraid we're having business as usual going on here with this type of thing

[3:28:54] Voice 5: deeply troubled and but not surprised trustee patrick i'm

[3:29:03] Trustee Patrick: sorry trustee harris i don't every

[3:29:07] Trustee Patrick: every every decision we we each have to balance and do what we're doing i do have a question

[3:29:13] Trustee Patrick: before we vote on this and that is the referral question that was raised um so this has not been

[3:29:18] Trustee Patrick: referred out this rezoning has not been referred out and we are wouldn't we would normally not make

[3:29:27] Trustee Patrick: a referral out is that it is

[3:29:30] Voice 14: not standard procedure to refer uh

[3:29:33] Voice 7: rezoning applications

[3:29:35] Voice 5: to First Nations agencies and organizations.

[3:29:44] Voice 5: I'm sorry, can you...

[3:29:45] Voice 5: You said it is not...

[3:29:46] Voice 5: Yes, can you...

[3:29:47] Trustee Patrick: What makes this...

[3:29:49] Trustee Patrick: What makes...

[3:29:51] Trustee Patrick: I'm confused.

[3:29:52] Trustee Patrick: I thought all rezonings

[3:29:53] Voice 5: were referred out.

[3:29:57] Voice 5: I just said...

[3:30:00] Voice 5: answer

[3:30:01] Voice 7: that question my experience is that we've always referred this was my first experience of

[3:30:06] Voice 7: a waiver trust planning staff to be

[3:30:09] Voice 5: providing the fair knowledge and so above my learning scale

[3:30:23] Voice 4: so

[3:30:24] Voice 10: my understanding is that it's not legislated that we refer but we we do refer and what what

[3:30:31] Voice 10: I had put in the staff report is a table with all of the potential referral agencies and those sorts

[3:30:36] Voice 10: of things and the LTC can can specify who they would like to who would they would like it to

[3:30:46] Voice 10: be referred to or not okay thank you

[3:30:51] Voice 7: for that we're still on the on

[3:30:54] Voice 7: the public hearing part

[3:30:56] Voice 7: now so should we complete this okay any further discussion on the motion on the floor I mean I

[3:31:01] Voice 7: I honestly see this as a major stall tactic and an eco sort of bend being put on this.

[3:31:12] Voice 5: We'll see how it proceeds, but I think it's very dangerous to be putting this off

[3:31:25] Voice 5: and playing these

[3:31:25] Voice 7: kind of games with it.

[3:31:30] Voice 7: I respectfully disagree because I actually believe that hearing from the public

[3:31:35] Voice 7: is is valuable and useful part of of what we do as elected officials uh trustee patrick any

[3:31:45] Voice 7: anything to add or i disagree i respectfully disagree as well chair peterson that's your last

[3:31:50] Voice 7: comment um and then you're allowed to disagree so um and it's in a situation like this i don't think

[3:31:56] Voice 7: it's it really qualifies um this is private property um we shouldn't be trying to overreach

[3:32:03] um this is they've met um you know clearly the planner has put this in front of us in a very

[3:32:10] Voice 7: concise and articulate manner and it seems uh seems very well done and ready to go and to

[3:32:18] Voice 7: to put it off anymore i think this is a justice to the landowner and to our organization itself

[3:32:24] Voice 7: and to uh so i'll be in support of this and that's fair enough i would point out that uh

[3:32:30] Voice 7: there is a requirement for public hearing and the request was to waive a requirement so

[3:32:36] Voice 7: i disagree that it's an overreach to not waive a requirement um anything further well

[3:32:43] Trustee Patrick: i'm offended

[3:32:44] Trustee Patrick: that someone's inferring that i'm taking a dangerous approach and and and so forth so i

[3:32:50] Trustee Patrick: would just pass warning on that and that i'm trying to be prudent and and consistent in how

[3:32:58] Trustee Patrick: how we handle applications.

[3:32:59] Trustee Patrick: And that's why these are questions that we're raising here.

[3:33:03] Trustee Patrick: And as I

[3:33:04] Trustee Patrick: stated earlier, I am generally very much in favor

[3:33:09] Trustee Patrick: of this kind of approach on these large lots.

[3:33:12] Trustee Patrick: And so I've made that very clear.

[3:33:15] Trustee Patrick: So anyway.

[3:33:16] Voice 7: I'm insulted, honestly.

[3:33:18] Voice 7: The chair, you interrupted me when I'm to speak.

[3:33:22] Voice 7: You just tried to partially do so.

[3:33:23] Voice 7: I'm

[3:33:24] Voice 13: actually just asking a consultant.

[3:33:25] Voice 7: i apologize for interrupting the um it may be dangerous is the wrong word but um you know when

[3:33:35] Voice 7: speaking on these meetings it's um you know i feel very strongly about private property rights

[3:33:41] Voice 7: um there's a big portion

[3:33:44] Voice 5: of my campaign running for trustee in this position

[3:33:51] Voice 5: position um and um finally patino has

[3:33:56] Voice 7: clearly shown how this is a clear place where we could

[3:34:02] Voice 7: waive this public hearing and there's plenty of reasons as why why we ought to do so and trying to

[3:34:08] Voice 7: be prudent with staff time and our time and so for that reason I will not be getting in favor

[3:34:16] Voice 7: of this motion

[3:34:16] Voice 5: hey is there

[3:34:19] Voice 7: anything new anyone wishes to add before we proceed uh i'll recognize

[3:34:26] Voice 7: the regional planning director that's

[3:34:29] Voice 5: me hey

[3:34:31] Voice 7: i just thought i you know i heard some questions

[3:34:33] Voice 7: about uh sort of legal procedure i want to put some clarity on there for you and that is uh

[3:34:40] Voice 7: splitting up the acts local government act in terms of if you leave a public hearing you don't

[3:34:48] like you would for a public hearing it's

[3:34:50] Voice 7: just you're not having a notice to go to public hearing

[3:34:53] Voice 7: you're actually putting notice in way the public hearing makes sense it really does and it explains

[3:34:59] Voice 7: that in the strict recommendation perfect and then but if you go to if you're going to public hearing

[3:35:05] Voice 7: you have to put up a notice and then your policies will be featured on that often the application

[3:35:12] Voice 7: because it only includes the cost to refer it to various agencies and groups and organizations

[3:35:18] Voice 7: and what have you i don't see the staff report for me but often that means there's a list provided

[3:35:23] Voice 7: for you to look at sometimes there's some of them that are legislatively required in certain

[3:35:28] Voice 7: circumstances so i'm not aware of that hopefully that puts a little more context into it so right

[3:35:34] Voice 7: notification and what's a referral when they're gone but we're showing through that you're meant

[3:35:39] Voice 7: if they're stating that there could be some possible costs added

[3:35:43] Voice 13: no no those

[3:35:45] Voice 13: this

[3:35:46] Voice 5: route doesn't add any any causes i believe what is well i'm

[3:36:02] Voice 7: trying to say time wise there's

[3:36:07] Voice 7: okay if there is there anything that hasn't brought up that needs to be discussed before

[3:36:12] Voice 7: we move to calling the

[3:36:13] Voice 5: question um time is money i'm going to

[3:36:21] Voice 7: go ahead and call the question though

[3:36:23] Voice 7: uh so all those in favor and any opposed and would you like your opposition noted yes i would

[3:36:31] Voice 7: love that proposition okay thank you thank you and that carries and then trustee patrick did

[3:36:39] Voice 7: you want to well i guess i

[3:36:41] Trustee Patrick: have a question on the referral is there any advice on referral

[3:36:46] Trustee Patrick: from staff on others does it i mean there is a very long list here um my my biggest concerns

[3:36:56] Trustee Patrick: on this would be i guess like a salt spring fire district is included on this one i don't know

[3:37:01] Trustee Patrick: about oh ministry force and lands are is that who who i know this is out this area is outside

[3:37:08] Trustee Patrick: side of the fire district i believe but they could they couldn't respond to fire so i think

[3:37:13] Trustee Patrick: they would be an appropriate referral but who which ministry is that included i guess we have

[3:37:20] Trustee Patrick: all the ministries here but it's the other ministry that does wildfire protection i think

[3:37:24] Trustee Patrick: would be a particular note um and i just don't know off the top of my head which ministry that

[3:37:32] Trustee Patrick: that is for

[3:37:33] Voice 7: which sorry for

[3:37:35] Trustee Patrick: wildfire because outside of the fire district it's what bc

[3:37:40] Trustee Patrick: wildfire

[3:37:41] Voice 14: service or something that is you could just specify specifically bc wildfire

[3:37:45] Voice 14: i believe it is for the record it's emergency management climate change the ministry that

[3:37:51] Voice 14: handles that but um just bc

[3:37:53] Voice 5: wildfire service is the agency

[3:38:03] Voice 5: I don't know but is there any further advice on those those are the two that kind of stick out

[3:38:09] Voice 5: to me um being interested in a referral standpoint I didn't force any others

[3:38:16] Voice 5: out to anyone else uh First Nations I guess

[3:38:26] Voice 5: yeah

[3:38:27] Voice 10: if uh through the chair what's in my previous experience working on the northern

[3:38:31] Voice 10: island when uh i did a few rezonings there it was it was more of a generic um resolution um

[3:38:39] Voice 10: uh you know refer to applicable first nations uh uh committees and organizations that sort of thing

[3:38:49] Voice 10: um but i i don't know what's what's the norm on salt spring similar

[3:38:56] Voice 5: yes generally you would

[3:38:58] Voice 5: choose so that's why i was just we were asked to take a look at

[3:39:01] Trustee Patrick: the list for a moment so that's

[3:39:02] Trustee Patrick: why i did but i'm sure i will i guess yeah

[3:39:07] Voice 7: and i guess if you wanted to specifically identify

[3:39:09] Voice 7: anything that's not on the list that that would be worth adding

[3:39:12] Trustee Patrick: first nations and agencies but i

[3:39:15] Trustee Patrick: didn't want to know for staff's purpose i think the fire from a climate change perspective is

[3:39:20] Trustee Patrick: probably critically important for that that segment of the island um

[3:39:24] Voice 8: all

[3:39:26] Trustee Patrick: right i'll move

[3:39:27] Trustee Patrick: that salt spring island local trust committee request staff um refer proposed bylaw number

[3:39:31] Trustee Patrick: number 536 to applicable First Nations agencies

[3:39:35] Trustee Patrick: and organizations as identified in the staff report

[3:39:38] Trustee Patrick: dated October 12th.

[3:39:42] Voice 7: Well, then I'll second that.

[3:39:45] Voice 7: Any discussion on the motion?

[3:39:48] Voice 7: I'm not

[3:39:49] Voice 7: in favor of this motion.

[3:39:51] Voice 7: Mr.

[3:39:51] Voice 5: Well,

[3:39:52] Voice 4: I was just wondering if you wanted to add

[3:39:54] Voice 4: after the date and Salts Grand Fire Protection District

[3:39:57] Voice 4: and BC Wildfire Service,

[3:39:59] Voice 4: because it's not included in that list.

[3:40:01] Trustee Patrick: They're there, I think they're both there.

[3:40:04] Trustee Patrick: They're both on the list. I just didn't know if staff were asking us to specifically cherry pick or not.

[3:40:09] Trustee Patrick: So, Mr. Chair, I

[3:40:11] Voice 14: do apologize for the interruption.

[3:40:13] Voice 14: Chair, so I understand that you are asking us to refer to applicable First Nations and

[3:40:18] Voice 7: agencies and organizations, all of them, or is there a specific entity that you're wanting to name in this case?

[3:40:28] Trustee Patrick: well i i would think it's first nations and then i said i'm particularly interested in the ones

[3:40:32] Trustee Patrick: that fire fire district in the wildfire service um and i from a climate change and i guess modi

[3:40:39] Trustee Patrick: i mean that's probably another if you didn't discuss that was this is probably i guess modi

[3:40:47] Trustee Patrick: in absence of subdividing the road if they had subdivided they would have had to upgrade the road

[3:40:52] Trustee Patrick: if i understand correctly for the musgrave road and

[3:40:56] Voice 7: for service road i'm not i can't speak

[3:40:59] Voice 7: specifically to that i would be entirely at the discretion of

[3:41:02] Voice 5: the provincial approving officer

[3:41:06] Voice 5: i don't i don't know i've always heard that on that road um anyway

[3:41:12] Trustee Patrick: so i mean i guess it would

[3:41:14] Trustee Patrick: be modi then modi the wildfire dc wildfire service whichever ministry that is and uh

[3:41:22] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring Fire Department would be the ones I'm in the First Nations are the ones I'm concerned

[3:41:27] Trustee Patrick: the most interested in those are they're on the list so

[3:41:31] Voice 7: it's easier to just stay with the

[3:41:34] Voice 7: list if

[3:41:34] Voice 14: LTC wishes to simply go with First Nations you can see the the list the full

[3:41:39] Voice 14: list if you wish to have us refer to all of them that and that's the easiest way to get through

[3:41:43] Voice 14: this if that works for LTC

[3:41:45] Trustee Patrick: I'm not going to cherry pick First Nations other than say First Nations

[3:41:48] Trustee Patrick: um and

[3:41:52] Voice 5: like i said the the bode wildfire and

[3:41:57] Trustee Patrick: uh salt spring fire for the ones i'm interested in

[3:42:00] Voice 7: if i may um when we're talking about first nations we cannot exclude the salt spring

[3:42:07] Voice 7: island coast the society of the salt spring island coast sandwich people society

[3:42:13] Voice 7: that has to be to exclude them as they've been excluded time and time again in other years now

[3:42:19] Voice 7: this just would be appalling to me um i'm i'd like to apologize on behalf of myself to the owner and

[3:42:26] Voice 7: to the planner that i couldn't um put forth a better argument to have the public hearing waived

[3:42:31] Voice 7: um i'm very very concerned that big hornet's nest is going to be opened up and this is going to be

[3:42:37] Voice 7: going on for years um i've seen this happen again and again over the years um it's kind of

[3:42:45] Voice 7: i have it's hard for me to put another word on it than like an equal radical kind of

[3:42:50] Voice 7: agenda when i hear of climate change and how this is more concerning in this part of the island

[3:42:56] Voice 7: than another part of the island we've seen these buzzwords be used disingenuously for years

[3:43:03] Voice 7: can i ask you to speak to to the the motion i am

[3:43:07] Voice 7: for all please yeah i am and um thank you for

[3:43:10] Voice 7: keeping me on speaking of that and uh you know clearly my train of thought was interrupted there

[3:43:18] Voice 7: but um i'm deeply concerned i'll do everything i can to to um to hopefully have this passed

[3:43:27] Voice 7: sooner than later but um i'm very concerned but again not surprised um sorry i couldn't

[3:43:33] Voice 7: have helped you pretty big okay so as far as the motion here uh trustee patrick were you

[3:43:43] Voice 7: well you're happy

[3:43:44] Voice 7: with what just

[3:43:45] Trustee Patrick: like staff to be clear on the messaging

[3:43:49] Trustee Patrick: just having the applicable and you choose or do you want us to be specific and name them

[3:43:53] Trustee Patrick: i just want clarity on what we're being asked to

[3:43:56] Voice 7: provide the list as it stands is that there's no

[3:44:01] Voice 7: need to cherry pick from the list okay because an email is an email that won't happen quickly

[3:44:06] Voice 7: specifically trustee Harris did mention an organization that's not not on the list and so

[3:44:14] Voice 7: if the motion included the list and the South Spring Island Coast Salish Society

[3:44:19] Voice 7: to ensure that that is included as he's as he's requesting uh and noting um that that would be

[3:44:28] Voice 7: necessary but we have addressed PC5 wildfire ministry if if we cast the net net too far

[3:44:34] Voice 7: are it's not additional work it's not a burden on staff to add an extra email

[3:44:42] Voice 7: it's whether we miss someone and so i appreciate trustee harris's comments about potential myths

[3:44:48] Voice 7: that for you to discuss okay trustee harris would you would you uh like to suggest that that is

[3:44:55] Voice 7: that group is added to the to the report i would hope the initiator of the motion would be able to

[3:45:00] Voice 7: um you're certainly welcome to to uh bring amendments if i

[3:45:09] Trustee Patrick: i i am happy to entertain

[3:45:12] Trustee Patrick: however this can be satisfied can we add

[3:45:16] Voice 5: that to the to the list then and uh and then in that case

[3:45:25] Voice 7: is there anything further on on the motion any discussion further do

[3:45:30] Trustee Patrick: we need to amend it to

[3:45:31] Trustee Patrick: to include that or have that as a separate motion

[3:45:34] Trustee Patrick: to include that on the referral list?

[3:45:36] Trustee Patrick: I can read.

[3:45:38] Voice 7: No, like the going over.

[3:45:40] Trustee Patrick: No, it

[3:45:40] Trustee Patrick: is request of this.

[3:45:41] Voice 7: Yes.

[3:45:43] Voice 7: For this

[3:45:44] Voice 8: it's beyond yes or order, please.

[3:45:46] Voice 4: Okay, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:45:49] Voice 4: Request Act to refer proposed bylaw number 536

[3:45:51] Voice 4: to applicable First Nations agencies and organizations

[3:45:54] Voice 4: as identified in this staff report

[3:45:57] Voice 4: dated October 12th, 2023

[3:45:58] Voice 4: and the Salt Spring Island Coast Sailor Society.

[3:46:02] Voice 7: Okay, so that's in this motion.

[3:46:04] Voice 7: That's fine with me.

[3:46:05] Voice 7: Okay, anything further on this motion

[3:46:07] Voice 7: before I call the question?

[3:46:08] Voice 7: No, thank you.

[3:46:09] Voice 7: Okay, I'll call the question.

[3:46:11] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[3:46:12] Voice 7: Any opposed?

[3:46:14] Voice 7: She would like your opposition noted.

[3:46:16] Voice 7: Yes, please, thank you.

[3:46:16] Voice 7: And that motion carries.

[3:46:20] Voice 5: And I guess to the point,

[3:46:27] Voice 5: and we

[3:46:27] Voice 7: don't necessarily have to get into it today,

[3:46:30] Voice 7: but perhaps we would consider

[3:46:32] Voice 7: at if at some point we want to add that society to our standard list for referral um just as a thought

[3:46:43] Voice 7: um okay so we're done with this application for today and and thank you planner fatino

[3:46:53] Voice 7: and thank you to the applicant and we have asked staff to uh schedule a public hearing

[3:47:02] Voice 7: mr mr yes sir i want to clarify

[3:47:05] Voice 14: that you've asked for a referral as well as a public hearing yes um

[3:47:09] Voice 14: so there's an implication to that and then we obviously don't want to ask for people's feedback

[3:47:12] Voice 14: uh when you would receive it after public hearing yeah

[3:47:16] Voice 7: so for clarity um and i can just take it in

[3:47:18] Voice 7: the general direction but um are you wanting us to refer this

[3:47:22] Voice 14: let me typically do a 30-day referral

[3:47:24] Voice 14: In the case of First Nations, we frequently extend that for another 30 days, or if you're asking us to complete a 30-day referral and come back to you with those summaries at the public hearing,

[3:47:37] Voice 14: or would

[3:47:40] Voice 7: you like us to simply complete the referral as we would normally do that?

[3:47:44] Voice 7: uh and on the understanding generally that we would look at public hearing once that that

[3:47:50] Voice 7: referral period is complete and we have the referral comments but that that comment period

[3:47:55] Voice 7: window is closed well we can we can merge those two we can make sure that we do the two-week

[3:48:01] Voice 7: notice in the last 15 days in the referral window we can work with all of that as best we can but

[3:48:06] Voice 7: um but just looking for some direction and certainly i think it um my perspective it's

[3:48:14] Voice 7: better to get the reporting back prior to the public hearing um just just my preference in

[3:48:20] Voice 7: terms of being able to simulate the information uh any comments from trustees on on that question

[3:48:28] Trustee Patrick: that's more the respect for the first nation referral that we're being consistent and

[3:48:33] Trustee Patrick: fair um

[3:48:33] Voice 16: that's all okay

[3:48:38] Voice 5: so in terms of if i may

[3:48:40] Voice 7: yes sir so did i not hear earlier that

[3:48:43] Voice 7: it's not a requirement the first nations or is it is at the discretion of ltc right

[3:48:51] Voice 7: and the province has spoken about private property and first nations um might be something to take

[3:49:00] Voice 7: note of but i'll leave it at that yeah i'll just note that we've just passed a a motion

[3:49:06] Voice 7: for referrals so i think staff is just asking us uh for clarity on what the referral

[3:49:12] Voice 7: all its timing is looking like yeah primarily the public hearing i mean it's uh keep bearing

[3:49:19] Voice 7: in mind that after the public hearing on a lpc can no longer hear any additional new information so

[3:49:24] Voice 7: uh we don't want to be in a situation where significant information comes

[3:49:27] Voice 7: on for example uh an issue of justification indicating that they have strong feelings

[3:49:33] Voice 7: about it public hearings already passed so we're moving along to the third so just to summarize

[3:49:39] Voice 7: what i think i heard standard is 30 days um extended would be an additional 30 days and

[3:49:45] Voice 7: then you mentioned merged as a as a third alternative which would be the the merging

[3:49:51] Voice 7: is simply as best we can we would just combine that and we don't we

[3:49:55] Voice 14: wouldn't suggest to have

[3:49:56] Voice 14: changed the bylaw as a result of that okay that's pretty much the discussion so we're just passing

[3:50:00] Voice 14: those referral comments on to lpc as information so uh in terms of timing uh with an lpc meeting

[3:50:06] Voice 14: we would just be trying to do it as soon as possible after that window closes um and you know

[3:50:12] Voice 14: we're not going to wait 60 full days in referral and then um notify for the public hearing if we

[3:50:18] Voice 14: can overlap that by a few days

[3:50:19] Voice 14: i see what

[3:50:20] Voice 7: you're saying okay thank you thank you for that clarity

[3:50:23] Voice 7: um thoughts on the referral time there

[3:50:26] Voice 5: standard okay do we want to extend it

[3:50:33] Voice 5: guys i see if i see the director

[3:50:35] Voice 5: i

[3:50:36] Voice 7: just wanted to say that if the organization wanted for the girl the first nations to

[3:50:42] Voice 7: recognize that 60 days is our standard now or our base standard for several reasons it's capacity

[3:50:57] so they

[3:50:58] Voice 7: may or may not see it come in and if they do see it come in they're going to

[3:51:02] Voice 7: these prioritize that they're going to ask probably for some capacity funding to review it

[3:51:07] Voice 7: and we have uh just counseled

[3:51:11] Voice 7: if they ask for it it may not involve a site visit or something along those lines

[3:51:19] Voice 7: if these will i don't know um but 60 days has definitely become the norm for first nations

[3:51:24] Voice 7: just in the recommendation that's not what the difficulty is but then provide a reasonable

[3:51:33] Voice 7: all the LDCs already used that as a guideline and that's okay thank you for that so um

[3:51:43] Voice 7: all right that seems like a no-brainer and do you need a motion for direction on that

[3:51:49] Voice 7: Mr chair I think we can take the general direction okay all right then so let's move on to section

[3:51:58] Voice 7: Section 14, and we have an addendum that contains the By-law 530

[3:52:11] Voice 5: report that's on page, starting on page 2 of the addendum, and over to Regional Planning Manager Hutton.

[3:52:27] Voice 5: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I did just prepare a little bit of a PowerPoint

[3:52:45] Voice 7: presentation for this just to run you down what is being proposed here.

[3:52:49] so what we have right now is a uh proposed bylaw number 530 as read a second time in july um just

[3:52:58] is is what we've looked at all along um defining and

[3:53:02] Voice 14: putting in place regulations for accessory

[3:53:05] Voice 14: dwelling units and secondary suites uh and then permitting them in a number of residential zones

[3:53:12] Voice 14: across the island.

[3:53:13] Voice 7: LPC had asked us to consider input received through the referral period prior to, that occurred prior to the last, the second reading, as well as the history of legal responses and concerns outlined, as well as other concerns.

[3:53:35] concerns. So the report just goes through primarily, you know, just running down generally

[3:53:42] Voice 14: what public feedback was. There's support and opposition across the community. There

[3:53:48] Voice 14: seems to be a general agreement that this is not a panacea for housing. I don't think

[3:53:54] Voice 14: anybody believes that it is, but it is one way to provide additional housing. We also

[3:54:01] Voice 14: So it was summarized concerns from First

[3:54:04] Voice 7: Nations going back to the 2022 referral, as well as the recent 2023 referral,

[3:54:11] Voice 7: where we had response from about six out of the 13 First Nations who identified Salt Spring as their territory,

[3:54:21] Voice 7: who indicated some

[3:54:23] Voice 14: level of response.

[3:54:24] Voice 14: And again, that is a mixed response.

[3:54:28] The LIAC has asked some questions about how this helps get

[3:54:34] Voice 14: First Nations people back on

[3:54:35] Voice 14: the island.

[3:54:36] Voice 14: Back in 2022, SAO has engaged heavily on this, indicating that they are not in support.

[3:54:43] Voice 14: In addition, we heard from LTC that there is a desire to sort of manage the potential

[3:54:49] Voice 14: of this without constraining it geographically,

[3:54:54] Voice 7: as well as considering the need for executive community

[3:54:57] Voice 7: to approve this.

[3:55:00] Voice 7: The analysis indicates there are a number of options,

[3:55:06] Voice 7: primarily putting in a zoning designation

[3:55:11] Voice 7: rather than zoning by right as proposed.

[3:55:16] Voice 7: We can do this by map with a schedule

[3:55:19] Voice 7: that just creates the opportunity to map out where ADUs and secondary suites is more of a

[3:55:25] Voice 7: map-based activity.

[3:55:28] Voice 14: One constrained version of that is to allow ADUs where secondary suites

[3:55:33] Voice 14: are currently permitted, so that's just diversifying what's already available in terms

[3:55:37] Voice 14: of density. And then the suggestion was also made to not permit secondary suites or ADUs in areas

[3:55:44] Voice 14: is not served by Salt Spring Island Fire Rescue Response Zone.

[3:55:49] Voice 7: That's about 97 parcels on the very

[3:55:51] Voice 7: southwest corner of the island. And then the other option was to have more of a spot re-loaning for

[3:55:59] Voice 14: qualifying parcels, which would essentially acknowledge ADUs as a form of housing, maintain

[3:56:05] Voice 14: our existing and updated regulations around ADUs and secondary suites, and then simply create some

[3:56:13] Voice 14: sort of complementary policy that staff would utilize to review these applications and make

[3:56:18] Voice 14: recommendations to LTC.

[3:56:20] Voice 7: That provides us a lot of certainty where the OTCP doesn't exactly and

[3:56:25] Voice 7: where we just need a little bit more policy guidance and to move these along reasonably

[3:56:30] Voice 7: and consistently. Ultimately what staff have recommended is that LTC adopt the proposed

[3:56:39] Voice 7: Code bylaw 530 that's been

[3:56:40] Voice 14: proposed to essentially expand the existing Schedule I to allow for accessory dwelling units and further direct staff

[3:56:51] Voice 7: to prepare a complementary policy that would be used for that,

[3:56:59] Voice 7: to provide that policy direction in order to facilitate future applications for ADUs.

[3:57:05] Voice 7: This approach addresses concerns around OCP consistency in terms of having the few and minor approach in terms of approving zoning,

[3:57:17] Voice 7: which the OCP specifically does say that zoning amendments should be few and minor.

[3:57:21] Voice 7: So that's the reason they're there.

[3:57:26] Voice 7: And I do have a quick PowerPoint.

[3:57:28] Voice 7: So I wanted to talk about what has been read a second time and what we propose.

[3:57:33] Voice 7: So

[3:57:34] Voice 14: what stays the same?

[3:57:35] Voice 14: The definition of ADUs is proposed to stay the same.

[3:57:38] Voice 14: Regulations for siting of ADUs

[3:57:40] Voice 14: as well as secondary suites.

[3:57:42] Voice 14: Requirements

[3:57:43] Voice 7: for servicing demonstrations.

[3:57:44] Voice 7: So right now we have proof of water

[3:57:45] Voice 7: and all of that stuff in the regulations.

[3:57:48] Voice 7: And then where permitted, regardless of the outcome.

[3:57:52] Voice 7: The intention here is that either one ADU

[3:57:54] Voice 7: or one secondary suite are permitted

[3:57:57] Voice 7: where they're permitted.

[3:57:59] Voice 7: And then they're always reviewed

[3:58:02] Voice 7: for development permitting, building permits still apply.

[3:58:05] Voice 14: There's no thing special about ADUs or secondary suites

[3:58:10] Voice 14: that makes it exempt from any type of applicable

[3:58:13] Voice 14: that would apply to any other user or development of that size.

[3:58:17] Voice 7: So they're still reviewed as normal.

[3:58:19] Voice 7: Next slide.

[3:58:21] Voice 7: So yeah, this is what we've got right now.

[3:58:24] Voice 7: Read a second time.

[3:58:26] Voice 7: So you can see the number of zones,

[3:58:28] Voice 7: the area that would happen if we went forward.

[3:58:32] Voice 7: um so on the next slide uh primarily what changes is that we take that away

[3:58:37] Voice 7: uh and we just adopt schedule i uh so as read adus and secondary suites are permitted by right

[3:58:43] Voice 7: uh in those noted zones uh as we recommended uh it uses secondary um suites are uh are committed

[3:58:52] Voice 7: um by rights in that schedule high area and then um additional adu secondary suites are only

[3:58:59] Voice 7: permissible by specific zoning application so if you say isolate uh next slide there uh could

[3:59:06] Voice 7: have provided i think some oh um i did have some some slides up there but we've all some schedule

[3:59:11] Voice 7: i think i think it's just um you can unhide the schedule

[3:59:15] Voice 5: i1 the last slide there just right click

[3:59:18] Voice 5: the next one so this is just a clip and i'm sorry i don't have a better uh copy of

[3:59:29] Voice 7: schedule i uh so

[3:59:31] Voice 7: So I click this out, but you kind of see just down in Sulford Valley, much of this area,

[3:59:37] Voice 7: much of this area, I'm going to put up some area way up here.

[3:59:41] Voice 7: So the second, this is where secondary streets are currently permitted in the land use bylaw.

[3:59:44] Voice 7: It's a terrible map, you know, we need to update that.

[3:59:49] Voice 7: That's what's in the OC, in the zoning bylaw right now.

[3:59:55] Voice 5: There it is.

[3:59:56] Voice 5: So to be, excuse me, Mr. Chairman.

[4:00:00] Voice 5: So you're proposing that the

[4:00:04] Voice 7: secondary suites apply to areas that aren't in Schedule I, is that what you're telling me?

[4:00:10] Voice 7: No, it would apply to ADUs would be added to Schedule I. Schedule I indicates where secondary suites, that gray area, is where secondary suites are permitted currently.

[4:00:21] Voice 7: And so the amendment, since the second reading is by taking all

[4:00:25] Voice 5: those other properties out and just putting it into Schedule I.

[4:00:30] Voice 5: yeah and then the so anything that's

[4:00:34] Voice 7: not in schedule i would be on a case-by-case basis

[4:00:39] Voice 7: the option is to have a policy that sort of indicates some some more criteria around when

[4:00:46] Voice 7: staff should you know can can recommend approval of those um and when lpc ought to improve some

[4:00:53] Voice 7: communities have done this great success uh it simply just provides clarity you don't run into

[4:00:58] Voice 7: with many roadblocks in terms of um you know one plan of communication or or uh you know one of

[4:01:04] Voice 7: these members we have some policy to sort of agree on then we can move forward with that a little bit

[4:01:08] Voice 7: more quickly it

[4:01:10] Voice 5: was sensible um so open

[4:01:16] Voice 7: up for discussions questions comments uh i'm sure paul's

[4:01:29] Voice 7: it is for the second second reading um

[4:01:32] Voice 5: i don't support anything anything any other amendments

[4:01:38] Voice 5: anything for me to see patrick i have quite

[4:01:41] Trustee Patrick: a bit one i would like to start with receiving

[4:01:46] Trustee Patrick: this late on the day of friday of the three-day weekend holiday weekend um really um makes things

[4:01:55] Trustee Patrick: was challenging, but I did dive in and spend as much time as I could

[4:02:02] Voice 5: preparing for today.

[4:02:11] Voice 5: The lack of housing

[4:02:13] Trustee Patrick: inventory and increasing property values in recent years has made

[4:02:17] Trustee Patrick: purchasing and renting housing less successful for residents and workers.

[4:02:21] Voice 5: I'm reading from a

[4:02:22] Voice 5: main island staff report we we don't even acknowledge in our staff

[4:02:31] Trustee Patrick: report that we

[4:02:32] Trustee Patrick: what were we trying to do what was the intent that we were trying to do here

[4:02:37] Voice 5: what's what's the

[4:02:38] Voice 5: problem um we we seem to be focused and intent on what not

[4:02:48] Trustee Patrick: to do and um and that's been my

[4:02:51] Trustee Patrick: frustration for over two years that we've been talking about trying to find a path forward

[4:02:56] Trustee Patrick: And that was the intent all along, was we're trying to find a path forward to legalize accessory dwelling units and to expand the type of accessory dwelling units.

[4:03:07] Trustee Patrick: We heard from residents on the island that a suite associated with an accessory building was in particular an important nuance because building an entire cottage is expensive.

[4:03:21] Trustee Patrick: Associating a suite with an accessory building was something that more people could see as a feasible option and interest in addition to the secondary suite.

[4:03:31] Trustee Patrick: So that was all along where we were trying to focus on.

[4:03:35] Trustee Patrick: And to this day, we've got a seasonal cottage, which basically screams in its definition short-term vacation rental, which is in turn illegal, but we've still got these crazy seasonal cottages that have been enshrined in our OCP and protected when it's really unfortunate when we need homes for people.

[4:04:01] Trustee Patrick: And in here we make reference to illegal units.

[4:04:08] Trustee Patrick: Those illegal units on this island are the homes and the only homes for many people on this island.

[4:04:17] Trustee Patrick: I received a phone call yesterday from

[4:04:20] Voice 5: a very elderly lady who couldn't and

[4:04:26] Trustee Patrick: wouldn't write a letter of support because she relies on her illegal accessory dwelling unit to be able to afford to stay on her property.

[4:04:34] Trustee Patrick: for over 20 years and she was afraid if she writes a letter of support that she's outing herself

[4:04:40] Trustee Patrick: identifying herself and she said that's the only way she can stay on salt spring

[4:04:45] Trustee Patrick: for over 20 years is to have that that unit on her property we have them all over the place so

[4:04:53] Trustee Patrick: it's not just the home that the illusion unit itself is providing it's allowing some people

[4:04:59] Trustee Patrick: to be able to be here. So it's twice the number of people. So I just feel that we've gone,

[4:05:13] Trustee Patrick: we've just lost the intent. And I know there's a narrative out there of, oh my gosh,

[4:05:22] Trustee Patrick: the sky's going to fall and we're going to double our population and all of that.

[4:05:27] Trustee Patrick: and they're the only ones writing letters

[4:05:30] Trustee Patrick: because they've got time to write the letters

[4:05:32] Trustee Patrick: and they continue

[4:05:33] Voice 5: to write the letters.

[4:05:35] Voice 5: And I think we need to,

[4:05:42] Voice 5: if we pass the bylaw as is,

[4:05:49] Voice 5: that group is going to send letters

[4:05:52] Voice 5: to the executive committee

[4:05:53] Trustee Patrick: and the executive committee

[4:05:55] Trustee Patrick: is likely going to turn it down

[4:05:57] Trustee Patrick: like they did to Bowen

[4:05:58] Trustee Patrick: because a group of people wrote letters

[4:06:00] Trustee Patrick: to the executive committee.

[4:06:06] Voice 5: And they win. They're given more power. I want to take the power from them. I want to give the

[4:06:13] Voice 5: power to people who need these

[4:06:15] Trustee Patrick: houses. So I'm tempted. Bear with me for a moment. I'm on your

[4:06:22] Trustee Patrick: side. The Schedule I, we know that it's not correct. I mean, that it's not real. That this

[4:06:34] Trustee Patrick: doesn't depict everywhere where you could have free choice for an accessory dwelling unit,

[4:06:38] Trustee Patrick: because we know none of the lots in North Salt Spring can.

[4:06:44] Trustee Patrick: So if we were to erase those off this map, we'd suddenly have a lot less.

[4:06:50] Voice 5: We also know that work

[4:06:52] Trustee Patrick: did begin over two years ago

[4:06:57] Trustee Patrick: on coming up with a method of determining how to prove water for sweets.

[4:07:04] Trustee Patrick: It never got finished, but they were looking at areas of high well density

[4:07:08] Trustee Patrick: density and salt water intrusion as other areas. And if you take the high well density

[4:07:16] Trustee Patrick: map and we go, oh my goodness, we lose all of these now. So all of these lots come on.

[4:07:23] Trustee Patrick: If we look at salt water intrusion, all those lots come on. We're left with just a sprinkling.

[4:07:31] Trustee Patrick: I think it would be a good idea to put out a map saying these 12 lots are okay for an

[4:07:39] Trustee Patrick: accessory dwelling that after two years of working on this we've approved we are putting out public

[4:07:45] Trustee Patrick: hearing you know whatever it is 12 20 i don't know how many but there's not many that would be left

[4:07:52] Trustee Patrick: people come out to public hearings when they're against something they don't come out to them

[4:07:57] Trustee Patrick: because they're foreign they come out because they're against it and i think if we put out a

[4:08:01] Trustee Patrick: map with very few accessory dwelling units after 22 years of working on this we might get people

[4:08:07] Trustee Patrick: come out to the hearings people

[4:08:10] Voice 5: we need to see people that live on this island that work on this

[4:08:13] Voice 5: island um and then maybe

[4:08:19] Trustee Patrick: we could move toward toward getting something that works i think if

[4:08:23] Trustee Patrick: we go i know trustee harris i'm with you i'd say let's go just do what we were doing likely even

[4:08:32] Trustee Patrick: if it doesn't get passed uh turned down by ec then we get an ocp threat and then we get locked up in

[4:08:38] Trustee Patrick: court and we get nothing done for two years i don't want to go that route and i don't want to

[4:08:43] Trustee Patrick: give the authority away to the executive committee sorry tim i was there last term but i'm i don't

[4:08:49] Trustee Patrick: think salt screen needs to look to the executive committee for big daddy to come help us we need

[4:08:54] Trustee Patrick: to make our decisions

[4:08:55] Voice 5: here and um and i'd rather like

[4:09:04] Trustee Patrick: get on with it and let's get a method

[4:09:07] Trustee Patrick: and a way, a path forward, a path forward.

[4:09:11] Trustee Patrick: The path forward to legalize these things

[4:09:13] Trustee Patrick: is already bumpy, long, and all the kind of problems

[4:09:17] Trustee Patrick: just having to approve it.

[4:09:20] Trustee Patrick: So after going through this,

[4:09:22] Trustee Patrick: my suggestion is to create a new,

[4:09:26] Trustee Patrick: don't leave Schedule I as is,

[4:09:29] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites, I don't want to touch that,

[4:09:33] Trustee Patrick: create a new schedule

[4:09:34] Trustee Patrick: by modifying the existing schedule,

[4:09:37] Trustee Patrick: remove all the lots that we that that

[4:09:43] Voice 5: can't have them on there and go to public hearing with that

[4:09:53] Voice 5: which like I

[4:09:54] Trustee Patrick: said I think would get people out they'd come

[4:09:57] Voice 5: and that's I think the approach

[4:10:07] Voice 5: I see going forward just

[4:10:11] Voice 7: before I go to you could I just ask you to elaborate a little bit on

[4:10:16] Voice 7: on the last point there.

[4:10:18] Voice 7: You said create a new schedule,

[4:10:20] Voice 7: which would be where they would be permitted?

[4:10:25] Voice 16: Well,

[4:10:26] Trustee Patrick: taking North Salt Spring out of here,

[4:10:29] Trustee Patrick: taking the saltwater intrusion,

[4:10:31] Trustee Patrick: the 1921 map that was just done by province,

[4:10:37] Trustee Patrick: possibly considering taking it out

[4:10:39] Trustee Patrick: with the high density map that was created here

[4:10:44] Trustee Patrick: with a nice big red zone on it.

[4:10:48] Trustee Patrick: I'm not saying this is setting precedence I would also I would bring a motion as well to say let's finish this work that got started two years ago.

[4:10:56] Trustee Patrick: Let's, let's, let's, let's go work through the agencies this was a multi agency effort, two years ago at the technical working group at Swiffa it for some reason just stopped.

[4:11:11] Trustee Patrick: Let's finish it out of this is a it was a decision tree on how to get to building an accessory dwelling unit.

[4:11:19] Voice 5: with water let's finish it so i'd say like i said that mine let's create a map it's silly

[4:11:30] Voice 5: but it will get people out to the public hearing uh yeah i think people have been out um

[4:11:39] Voice 7: i saw the

[4:11:40] Voice 7: throne full we've had local um first nations here speaking in favor of reading it as is

[4:11:46] Voice 7: as it was read the second time i'm not in favor of any amendments and i think that executive

[4:11:55] committee will pass bylaw 530

[4:11:58] Voice 7: if we give it to them as it was presented prior section three the

[4:12:02] Voice 7: mandate defined to us the trust council this has a complete bearing on the passing of bylaw 530

[4:12:10] Voice 7: we it needs a corrective approach we need to take a corrective approach and addressing the housing

[4:12:17] Voice 7: crisis it has been skewed heavily on the environmental side of things with the misreading

[4:12:24] Voice 7: reading of or non-reading of legal opinions so i think that bc will pass this i don't see how

[4:12:33] Voice 7: they can't and how they wouldn't this is clear we need this this is an emergency situation here

[4:12:39] Voice 7: and i'm appalled that we haven't passed it yet and i was assured over a gun and there was all

[4:12:45] Voice 7: kinds of funny business i can't even i'm shocked but not shocked all at the same time doesn't

[4:12:51] Voice 7: surprise me it's one of the reasons i got into this i hear from the community on a daily basis

[4:12:55] Voice 7: people are not happy with what's going on they want this thing passed and they want us to get

[4:13:01] Voice 7: on with real work this is a drop in the bucket i don't know what we need to do to read this a

[4:13:08] Voice 7: third time what motions need to be made but i'm prepared to pass it as is without being amended

[4:13:18] Voice 7: i would love for some guidance on how to put something important together

[4:13:22] Voice 7: thank you

[4:13:24] Voice 5: what's

[4:13:26] Trustee Patrick: missing from the staff report is we were given some legal advice when we had

[4:13:30] Trustee Patrick: an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and none of those recommended amendments are here to improve

[4:13:36] Trustee Patrick: the likelihood of success um so at this time like i said without i i'd like to get on with

[4:13:46] Trustee Patrick: finding a solution to this and I think that for right now with this staff report in front of us

[4:13:51] Trustee Patrick: so the path forward for me is this is silly it's silly I'm sorry it is silly but it will get people

[4:14:01] Trustee Patrick: out um because like I said they come out when they're against something people

[4:14:06] Voice 5: have been out

[4:14:07] Voice 5: already I don't I can't even believe it am I gone to the money farm here like let's just read this

[4:14:13] Voice 5: thing yeah i'd just like

[4:14:16] Voice 7: to ask um trust patrick you mentioned the creation of a new schedule um

[4:14:23] Voice 7: and uh i'm just wondering if you have um yes uh like specific motions are proposed

[4:14:33] Voice 7: or or what what your thoughts are on a direction i think we've got to understand pretty clearly

[4:14:40] Voice 7: where trustee harris is at but it's like to get some clarity once you're if you have a proposal

[4:14:48] Trustee Patrick: but i also want to there is a motion here that we have to say whether or not we agree

[4:14:54] Trustee Patrick: assessment of the checklist for the review of the trust policy statement and i will also make some

[4:15:01] Trustee Patrick: recommendations that we i want to change what's been in here for a few of these in particular

[4:15:07] Trustee Patrick: under economic opportunities and health and well-being i want to change that to a big firm no

[4:15:13] Voice 5: I'm not

[4:15:13] Voice 5: sure what you're saying.

[4:15:14] Trustee Patrick: It says here for consistency with the trust policy statements, the bylaw, local trust committee, I'm sorry, 26 of the amendment.

[4:15:26] Trustee Patrick: Local trust committees and island municipalities shall, in their official community plans and regulatory bylaws, address economic opportunities that are compatible and conservative,

[4:15:38] Trustee Patrick: conservative conservation of resources and protection of community charter.

[4:15:43] Trustee Patrick: i'd say if we modify the bylaw that's a no it's not meeting the economic opportunity same with

[4:15:49] Trustee Patrick: health and well-being that in our official community's plans regulatory bylaws address

[4:15:54] Trustee Patrick: the community's current projected housing requirements and long-term needs for educational

[4:15:58] Trustee Patrick: institutional community health related facilities and services as well cultural and recreational

[4:16:03] Trustee Patrick: facilities and services okay and i was going to also just so i'm

[4:16:08] Voice 5: clear i

[4:16:09] Trustee Patrick: was going to add a note

[4:16:10] Trustee Patrick: that um the notation uh at a notation that the proposed bylaw will not address the housing needs

[4:16:17] Trustee Patrick: to support the economic conditions and project the housing okay just

[4:16:20] Voice 7: i'm there you're talking

[4:16:21] Voice 7: about the proposal in in this appendix one there's

[4:16:25] Trustee Patrick: another roach in here that we have we've been

[4:16:28] Trustee Patrick: asked to say that we've reviewed the trust policy check checklist right

[4:16:31] Voice 7: and when we get to that

[4:16:34] Voice 7: if

[4:16:34] Trustee Patrick: we get to that

[4:16:35] Voice 7: that's in relation to this new proposal not to not to the reason right

[4:16:39] Trustee Patrick: right

[4:16:39] Voice 7: if well

[4:16:40] Trustee Patrick: there's no previous oh it would be if we modify the schedule okay

[4:16:45] Voice 7: okay i just wanted

[4:16:46] Voice 7: to be clear on that so let's say what what do we need to do to read it as is without amendments

[4:16:54] Voice 7: what what's needed to be done what

[4:16:56] Voice 5: kind of emotion um patrick

[4:17:03] Voice 7: did you have a comment there uh the um

[4:17:06] Voice 7: um is that in the recommendations you can simply read it you can simply request a public hearing

[4:17:12] Voice 7: um the alternative was to refer to the EC um and and come back for that so however you could just

[4:17:22] Voice 7: make a motion to proceed to uh you know reading that

[4:17:28] Voice 7: to well you wouldn't do third reading prior

[4:17:30] Voice 7: to a public hearing did the public care for child care to just request that to notify uh a public

[4:17:36] Voice 7: public hearing and schedule a public hearing.

[4:17:38] Voice 7: I would love to make that motion.

[4:17:40] Voice 7: Just a moment though.

[4:17:43] Voice 7: You may actually

[4:17:44] Voice 7: complete the by-law if that motion

[4:17:46] Voice 7: doesn't pass.

[4:17:47] Voice 7: If EEC doesn't pass it, you're saying?

[4:17:50] Voice 7: No, that's not a reason to mind.

[4:17:52] Voice 7: But if you don't, if you make a motion

[4:17:54] Voice 7: to proceed to the public hearing

[4:17:56] Voice 7: and you can make that motion, if it doesn't pass,

[4:17:58] Voice 7: I don't know if you'd reconsider that.

[4:18:00] Voice 7: You'd have to come back and reconsider that motion.

[4:18:02] Voice 7: Right. Well, it was my understanding

[4:18:04] Voice 7: saying that's what we were going to do and that a couple more months wasn't going to matter and

[4:18:07] Voice 7: it only had to go through some more first nations consult consultation now we're getting all this

[4:18:12] Voice 7: other we want to do something silly like i can't even believe it there's no way i can support that

[4:18:15] Voice 7: how do i put hold my face up in the community so we're going to do something silly to try and get

[4:18:19] Voice 7: people up people have already been out people have spoken loud and clear they voted for us to

[4:18:23] Voice 7: do something about housing let's read it the third time and throw it on ec's lap and i'm fully

[4:18:29] Voice 7: confident that they will pass it with what's happened with section three of the mandate with

[4:18:33] Voice 7: clearly a housing crisis is going on it's an emergency we talk about climate emergency

[4:18:37] Voice 7: climate crisis this is much more of a crisis and emergency at that time there's nothing we can do

[4:18:42] Voice 7: about the climate change there's nothing we're going to do about it here on salt spring out

[4:18:45] Voice 7: maybe we can take some preventative measures for how you know water rising or whatever but we're

[4:18:50] Voice 7: not going to change it but we can change the housing we can pass this thing as it is and then

[4:18:55] Voice 7: get on with the real work this is nothing it's a drop in the bucket we need to do some serious

[4:19:03] Voice 7: to facilitate some serious added densities that's what we have to do if we're going to address the

[4:19:09] Voice 7: housing i'm not going to meetings and wringing our hands and going to vancouver and going here

[4:19:13] Voice 7: and going there let's do a squat let's read this thing and get on with it thank you trustee patrick

[4:19:20] Voice 7: said

[4:19:21] Trustee Patrick: you were you were present when we met with a lawyer who recommended we make some amendments

[4:19:26] Trustee Patrick: to improve the likelihood of success and i

[4:19:30] Voice 7: think that's what we're going to do and i think that's

[4:19:31] Voice 7: things have changed since then and i don't believe that i don't i i have concerns with

[4:19:34] Voice 7: with um that report honestly it was in maybe we need to go into a closed session

[4:19:39] Voice 7: we

[4:19:40] Trustee Patrick: had there was no report should

[4:19:43] Voice 14: we go into a closed session i know we had a um we had a

[4:19:45] Voice 14: meeting where we did a work thing where we we had that meeting in the other building and we

[4:19:49] Voice 7: spoke with the lawyer about this you want to go in a closed session um like we need to we need

[4:19:56] Voice 7: to discuss that just because of the legal stuff no if we

[4:19:59] Voice 7: need to discuss that in specifics then

[4:20:01] Voice 7: yeah that would be appropriate uh i hope i guess mr we asked phil's opinion to see if we could find

[4:20:09] Voice 7: that appropriate um when we get there we will ask you to yes

[4:20:18] Voice 16: but we

[4:20:21] Voice 7: have to find the proper citation

[4:20:22] Voice 7: to to uh to to legally close the meeting um if that's what we're going to do and i'm going to

[4:20:29] Voice 7: speak to it no

[4:20:30] Voice 5: i'm i'm fine to do that if you

[4:20:32] Voice 7: want to get into

[4:20:33] Voice 5: that pricing right yeah no i understand

[4:20:35] Voice 5: uh so it would be section 91 i of the community charter and i've got that right here

[4:21:06] Voice 4: okay uh the salt spring island local trust committee opposed the meeting subject to

[4:21:13] Voice 4: section 90 i the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege including

[4:21:19] Voice 4: putting communications necessary for that purpose do

[4:21:24] Voice 5: you want to do you want to move that yes okay

[4:21:31] Voice 7: moved and i'll second that um discussion okay i'll call the question all those in favor

[4:21:40] Voice 7: okay so the the motion carries so we will um close the meeting to the public then

[4:21:46] Voice 7: just just in time

[4:21:49] Voice 5: on section

[4:22:44] Voice 5: 14.1

[4:22:46] Voice 7: the addendum

[4:22:47] Voice 7: and we have a

[4:22:50] Voice 7: staff report and a number

[4:22:53] Voice 7: of recommendations before us

[4:22:55] Voice 5: Prestes how would you like to proceed

[4:22:58] Voice 5: oh

[4:23:01] Voice 5: I'm trying to think where I was

[4:23:04] Voice 5: in my thought process

[4:23:05] Voice 5: here

[4:23:06] Voice 5: um well i think uh i guess to do anything we have to begin with

[4:23:19] Trustee Patrick: rescinding second reading is that

[4:23:21] Trustee Patrick: to make any any amendments okay um so i'll move that assaults behind local trust committee

[4:23:31] Trustee Patrick: second reading and proposed saltwater new name saltwater island uh local trust committee

[4:23:39] Trustee Patrick: bylaw number 355 plan use bylaw 199 amendment number one

[4:23:44] Trustee Patrick: so

[4:23:45] Voice 7: moved second that and discussion um sure yeah i'm not willing to cave into legal threats

[4:23:55] Voice 7: so i'll

[4:23:56] Voice 5: be in support of this motion okay thank you anything else uh

[4:24:01] Voice 7: i will call the question

[4:24:03] Voice 7: then all those in favor any opposed and would you like your opposition noted yes please okay good

[4:24:10] Voice 7: um

[4:24:12] Trustee Patrick: okay i do have some amendments i'd like to make um uh i'm going to make some amendments to

[4:24:25] Trustee Patrick: what i propose is that we retain the original schedule i as it existed for secondary

[4:24:32] Trustee Patrick: suite maps so i'll talk through my motion first and then i'll make

[4:24:37] Trustee Patrick: the motion to

[4:24:38] Trustee Patrick: make sure it's clear um and then i propose that we have a new schedule for the accessory

[4:24:46] Trustee Patrick: dwelling units um and that will make a number of amendments uh to remove um the areas basically to

[4:24:56] Trustee Patrick: make the schedule realistic of what really is allowable under the accessory dwelling bylaws

[4:25:02] Trustee Patrick: because there's lots in North Salt Spring, there's lots in seawater intrusion areas,

[4:25:12] Trustee Patrick: so that the resulting map will be itty-bitty but

[4:25:18] Voice 5: realistic.

[4:25:24] Voice 5: So that's the

[4:25:26] Trustee Patrick: intent of this because I don't want people to have any expectations

[4:25:34] Trustee Patrick: expectations because they see they're locked on a map that then find out they can't do it I think

[4:25:40] Trustee Patrick: that's readable I think so um all right so I'm going to go sorry you're talking in there uh I'm

[4:25:51] Trustee Patrick: going to move that Salt Spring Island local trust committee request a new schedule for accessory

[4:25:57] Trustee Patrick: redwelling units and to do that by amending schedule i by generally removing all lights

[4:26:05] Trustee Patrick: that are located within the north salt spring water district and any other water service district

[4:26:12] Trustee Patrick: and remove from moderates to

[4:26:15] Voice 5: high salt water intrusion risk areas i think i'll i'm that's

[4:26:25] Voice 5: motion yeah

[4:26:27] Trustee Patrick: and i i'll have another motion on completing the work but um

[4:26:35] Trustee Patrick: the other area that's about the density area but um that would really bring the lots down to um

[4:26:43] Trustee Patrick: about six i think okay

[4:26:49] Voice 7: uh do you have that um so mr chairman

[4:26:54] Voice 7: Yes, they're trying to listen to the right absolutely.

[4:27:06] Voice 7: I would just say by duplicating schedule by.

[4:27:11] Voice 7: Moving them

[4:27:14] Voice 5: yourself during whatever spirit boundary service boundaries.

[4:27:25] Voice 5: And

[4:27:27] Voice 7: as well as the what is the saltwater intrusion document is our title on it's the.

[4:27:33] Trustee Patrick: the 20 yes

[4:27:34] Voice 5: there is uh 2021 um sorry i have to read my writing um

[4:27:43] Trustee Patrick: gis modeling of sea water

[4:27:46] Trustee Patrick: intrusion risk along bc coast 2021 i'd have to look up that question sorry uh that was the

[4:27:55] Trustee Patrick: province but um it was the general um

[4:27:59] Voice 5: i did have a full citation that's

[4:28:26] Trustee Patrick: the summary document of it

[4:28:28] Trustee Patrick: from the yes but the the work is um i i do have i do have it it's uh i will i will send the citation

[4:28:37] Voice 5: to um sure sarah so is the just what i understand that the intention

[4:29:00] Voice 7: is to propose this for second

[4:29:02] Voice 7: reading today or to direct request staff to return the note line what

[4:29:06] Voice 5: that looks like

[4:29:06] Voice 5: i think we should just proceed i have a good idea what it's going to look like

[4:29:16] Voice 5: pretty empty map unless trustee harris would like to see it see what the empty map sorry

[4:29:36] Voice 5: which areas of that map would it exclude

[4:29:39] Voice 14: um because there's a variety of the gradient

[4:29:41] Voice 14: on that right is it the high risk i

[4:29:43] Trustee Patrick: said the i think moderate

[4:29:45] Voice 5: to high salt water intrusion

[4:30:10] Voice 5: Would you like to send it to Mr. Hopsky on the screen?

[4:30:12] Voice 5: Or should I just read it?

[4:30:13] Voice 5: You can go up on the screen first.

[4:30:16] Voice 5: I

[4:30:16] Voice 7: don't do it.

[4:30:17] Voice 7: Sure.

[4:30:18] Voice 7: Or, I mean, you can read it back.

[4:30:20] Voice 7: That's fine.

[4:30:21] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:30:23] Voice 4: Let the Salt Spring Highland Local Trust Committee request a new schedule for accessory dwelling units

[4:30:29] Voice 4: by duplicating Schedule I-1 by removing all lots that are located within the North Salt Spring Waterworks District boundary

[4:30:40] Voice 4: boundary as of October 12, 2023, and any other water surface district, and moderate to high

[4:30:51] Voice 4: saltwater intrusion risk areas as indicated on the GIS modeling of seawater intrusion

[4:30:56] Voice 4: risk along British Columbia's coast by SEVAC and WEAVE.

[4:31:08] Voice 5: we need to also instruct to modify the um um the bylaw as well because of the schedule

[4:31:21] Voice 5: if um if lpc

[4:31:28] Voice 7: wishes to consider for second reading at a future meeting i think we can just work with

[4:31:32] Voice 7: this

[4:31:33] Voice 14: for now and if there's any other i think i'm going on the assumption that we'll bring back

[4:31:37] Voice 14: we'll bring back both bylaws anyways that we discussed before but we'll amend

[4:31:40] Voice 14: And we'll basically put this into the recommended bylaw

[4:31:44] Voice 14: that we provided in this report today.

[4:31:47] Voice 14: That'll change just in terms of removing

[4:31:49] Voice 7: the concept

[4:31:51] Voice 7: of the Schedule I change.

[4:31:53] Voice 7: And then it's just the regulations that we've always had

[4:31:56] Voice 7: as well as adding this new Schedule X to the bylaw.

[4:32:02] Okay,

[4:32:02] Voice 5: so that's your intention.

[4:32:05] Voice 5: Okay, so

[4:32:08] Voice 7: that is the motion on the floor.

[4:32:12] Voice 7: moved and seconded and discussion or do you want to speak to the motion well i um

[4:32:21] Trustee Patrick: like i said the intent of this bylaw along is to get a path forward for those who want to be

[4:32:27] Trustee Patrick: landlords on this island um this alternative of going to the schedule

[4:32:34] Trustee Patrick: will not achieve that but to create a schedule that's realistic and honest is what's important

[4:32:42] Trustee Patrick: important so people can see how few um are

[4:32:47] Voice 5: brought forward um so it's it's honest the yes uh trustee

[4:32:55] Voice 5: Harris um if I could ask trustee Patrick how many lots did she say this is going to um for you to

[4:33:04] Voice 5: ask for me yeah oh I I um

[4:33:07] Voice 7: I didn't

[4:33:09] Trustee Patrick: include taking out the high well high well density area which

[4:33:12] Trustee Patrick: would have probably left it down to um I don't know it would have been this little group right

[4:33:17] Trustee Patrick: here which is like i don't know how to count them um it would have left about my eyeballs less than

[4:33:24] Trustee Patrick: 20.

[4:33:25] Voice 7: so less than 20 lots will not be included i did not

[4:33:28] Trustee Patrick: i did not include the lower well density

[4:33:31] Trustee Patrick: so it's all these out here so it's a few hundred a

[4:33:34] Voice 7: few hundred or i can't

[4:33:37] Trustee Patrick: i can't count proposed

[4:33:38] Voice 7: well because that the

[4:33:39] Trustee Patrick: map is a little tiny do

[4:33:42] Voice 7: we want to just so this is basically a political

[4:33:47] Trustee Patrick: It's an honest rendition of what the what this recommendation is with

[4:33:52] Voice 7: the goal of trying to get the community involved.

[4:33:54] Trustee Patrick: The community will speak

[4:33:57] Voice 7: anyways since it's a sort of a political stunt type of idea to try and shed light on some of the bullying and legal threat stuff from certain people.

[4:34:13] Voice 5: um i'll just i'll be against the motion okay anything further on the motion not seeing

[4:34:25] Voice 5: anything i'll call the question all in favor any

[4:34:29] Voice 7: opposed like your opposition noted yes please

[4:34:33] Trustee Patrick: um i can do it later in the meeting but i would like to have a motion to

[4:34:36] Trustee Patrick: direct staff to finish the work that they started with assaults but that's a technical working group

[4:34:42] Trustee Patrick: on

[4:34:44] Voice 16: um i

[4:34:45] Trustee Patrick: don't know do that now

[4:34:47] Voice 16: or uh

[4:34:48] Voice 7: i i

[4:34:49] Voice 7: totally hear you and maybe we should do that in in

[4:34:53] Voice 7: sequence so i think we'll be after okay this section please um

[4:34:57] Trustee Patrick: now i did i did want to append

[4:35:00] Trustee Patrick: i i have no interest in uh referring this to the executive committee um that was right no value

[4:35:10] Trustee Patrick: But there is the checklist. I do want to amend the checklist as it's presented in the stock report.

[4:35:19] Voice 5: I

[4:35:20] Trustee Patrick: can talk it through first, I guess.

[4:35:24] Voice 5: find where I was on the main block.

[4:35:37] Voice 5: Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, too many things here.

[4:35:41] Voice 5: Here we go.

[4:35:41] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:35:43] Trustee Patrick: So this is our,

[4:35:45] Trustee Patrick: this motion's being asked that we have reviewed the checklist for

[4:35:51] Trustee Patrick: conformance with the policy statement.

[4:35:53] Trustee Patrick: statement. And so looking at staff's choices that they put out here, I look at 3-3-2. I'm saying

[4:36:06] Trustee Patrick: should be yes as a result of knocking this down. Oh, sorry, page 24. Thank you.

[4:36:15] Voice 5: 5-2-4.

[4:36:19] Voice 5: um

[4:36:25] Voice 5: 3-2-3 was the first one

[4:36:27] Voice 5: 5-2-4

[4:36:34] Voice 5: I was

[4:36:35] Voice 5: I waffled

[4:36:36] Trustee Patrick: all over the place on this one

[4:36:38] Trustee Patrick: but I ended up with yes on that one

[4:36:39] Trustee Patrick: and then 5-3-5

[4:36:43] Trustee Patrick: changed

[4:36:44] Trustee Patrick: 5-3-5

[4:36:45] Trustee Patrick: why do I have 5-3-5

[4:36:47] Trustee Patrick: no 5-3-5 is not

[4:36:49] Trustee Patrick: 5

[4:36:49] Voice 16: -2-5

[4:36:51] Trustee Patrick: that makes more sense

[4:36:52] Trustee Patrick: I can read my own writing

[4:36:56] Trustee Patrick: change those to yeses

[4:36:57] Trustee Patrick: I wanted to change 572 and

[4:37:01] Trustee Patrick: 586 to no, and I wanted to add a notation when this gets shared eventually that I wanted to add a notation that the proposed bylaw will not address the housing needs to support the economic conditions or

[4:37:21] Voice 5: the projected housing requirements.

[4:37:22] Voice 5: I absolutely cannot say yes on those two.

[4:37:36] Voice 5: okay that's the motion that i don't know how you feel

[4:37:38] Trustee Patrick: about that i mean that's this is supposed to

[4:37:40] Trustee Patrick: be the ltc looks at this checklist and this is our interpretation of the checklist staff just

[4:37:46] Trustee Patrick: gave us their interpretation of the checklist okay

[4:37:49] Voice 5: so

[4:37:50] Trustee Patrick: i don't know if you agree or disagree or

[4:37:53] Voice 7: um so the can you just run the last two by me again here the

[4:37:59] Trustee Patrick: last it's the last two on the

[4:38:01] Trustee Patrick: checklist 572 and 586

[4:38:03] Voice 7: 572 and 586 and you

[4:38:06] Voice 7: want those no no is that right

[4:38:09] Voice 5: that they do not that

[4:38:10] Voice 5: this does not and then i'm just wondering in terms of process

[4:38:29] Voice 7: uh the bottom box there is just not in

[4:38:33] Voice 7: compliance for the following reasons did you want to

[4:38:36] Trustee Patrick: say those reasons either that might be the box

[4:38:39] Trustee Patrick: where this gets put.

[4:38:40] Trustee Patrick: I think the overall compliance with trust policy statement

[4:38:44] Trustee Patrick: is yes, I would leave that as a yes,

[4:38:49] Trustee Patrick: but have the statement that 572 and 586 are no

[4:38:54] Trustee Patrick: because this bylaw does not meet,

[4:38:57] Trustee Patrick: does not support the economic conditions

[4:38:59] Trustee Patrick: for the projected housing requirements.

[4:39:04] Voice 5: Okay, just what I find

[4:39:06] Voice 7: a little bit confusing though

[4:39:07] Voice 7: though, is that what I think you're saying is that it doesn't address the economic opportunities,

[4:39:15] Voice 7: not the compatibility with conservation of resources and protection of community.

[4:39:21] Voice 7: You're not saying that it's not

[4:39:23] Voice 15: compatible with conservation.

[4:39:26] Voice 15: So what

[4:39:27] Voice 7: I'm wondering is

[4:39:28] Voice 7: whether that needs to be spelled out a little bit more explicitly, like in the reasons.

[4:39:37] Trustee Patrick: I'm trying to get down. I just think that the overall statement about the economic conditions

[4:39:42] Voice 5: and protected house requirement is sufficient. I don't think we need to

[4:39:59] Trustee Patrick: get, you know,

[4:40:00] Trustee Patrick: something maybe out in front. These sentences are long.

[4:40:05] Voice 7: Yes, Mr. Chair. I'm just a bit confused as

[4:40:09] Voice 7: to like, you're going to get a different bylaw, an amended bylaw for consideration next meeting.

[4:40:16] Voice 7: Do you feel that this discussion advises this, the concept of ADUs in general, or is it specific to a certain proposal and this is something that should be maybe discussed later on in the reading process or in the consideration process now that we're technically at first reading?

[4:40:36] Trustee Patrick: well

[4:40:38] Trustee Patrick: I'm responding to the staff

[4:40:40] Trustee Patrick: report in front of us it asked us to take

[4:40:42] Trustee Patrick: a look at the checklist and I'd say the bylaw

[4:40:44] Trustee Patrick: as amended as intended

[4:40:46] Trustee Patrick: to be amended

[4:40:48] Trustee Patrick: no matter what it does at this point

[4:40:50] Trustee Patrick: these still remain no

[4:40:51] Trustee Patrick: in my book unless I can be argued

[4:40:54] Trustee Patrick: by

[4:40:54] Voice 5: my fellow trustees differently

[4:41:03] Voice 5: this is just

[4:41:04] Voice 5: it might be a more fruitful conversation to

[4:41:06] Voice 7: have at one second

[4:41:06] Voice 7: reading is in place and you're

[4:41:08] Voice 7: confident to go ahead with the public hearing essentially the point where you want to uh

[4:41:13] Voice 7: where you'll consider this um this motion now that we've moved back now that we've rescinded

[4:41:19] Voice 7: second hearing they said back to the point where you're going to consider moving forward with what

[4:41:23] Voice 7: you've got now or this amendment that's been this uh alteration has been requested for us to come

[4:41:28] Voice 7: matters um in that context i wonder if uh if this motion should uh wait until next time i haven't

[4:41:41] Voice 5: made it yet i remember discussing

[4:41:42] Voice 5: yeah and uh at the very least the staff surprised with where

[4:41:53] Voice 5: you're at on that at this time so i'm just going for honest renditions i hear you okay so um just

[4:42:08] Voice 7: just to recap so recommendation one was passed and then uh the motion about the the new schedule

[4:42:18] Voice 7: was passed and is there other uh sounds

[4:42:24] Trustee Patrick: like staff are saying they want to bring it back

[4:42:26] Trustee Patrick: for a second reading uh

[4:42:28] Voice 7: well I'm

[4:42:30] Voice 5: just wondering is is the no we didn't go I don't believe we went

[4:42:43] Voice 5: into the recommendation too did we is that is that moved i don't think that was oh because we

[4:42:52] Voice 5: uh we've requested a new schedule

[4:42:54] Trustee Patrick: so we amended okay so that's what

[4:42:59] Voice 5: i mean that we've requested

[4:43:00] Voice 5: a new schedule i don't think we um yes you requested

[4:43:08] Voice 7: you moved and passed the recension

[4:43:11] Voice 7: rescindment yes second reading yeah the first recommendation effectively at first reading

[4:43:16] Voice 7: uh at this point so now when we bring back the policy statement checklist when we bring back a

[4:43:25] Voice 7: bylaw for your consideration we'll assess that bylaw um through the checklist and present it again

[4:43:32] Voice 7: um so that's just something to note um that this this could be assessed in a very different way

[4:43:38] Voice 7: given the change that is that it potentially represents um i'm just i was just looking at

[4:43:45] Voice 7: procedurally i i don't i don't think we've gone to the second recommendation at this point have we

[4:43:53] Voice 7: the the recommendation that like the schedule part we we passed that yeah

[4:44:02] Voice 8: but

[4:44:03] Voice 7: did that was that

[4:44:04] Voice 7: the draft like that i don't think that addressed recommendation too did it so you am i am i

[4:44:10] Voice 7: mistaken here my understanding

[4:44:12] Voice 14: you don't intend to read a bylaws i can you're asking us to bring

[4:44:15] Voice 14: back you prepare a draft bylaw um that addresses this amendment

[4:44:20] Voice 5: which

[4:44:21] Voice 14: is what we'll so we would

[4:44:23] Voice 14: come back so you don't have to adopt anything we just did first reading now so we can everything

[4:44:28] Voice 13: else

[4:44:28] Voice 14: on this list is pretty much about okay forward with a public hearing um as as virtually

[4:44:34] Voice 7: but um yeah recommendations two through six uh are are pretty much no longer moved at this point

[4:44:41] Voice 7: okay i just wanted to make sure that's fall that's what i thought i just wanted to make sure

[4:44:45] Voice 7: i would do where we were at in this process here okay so any further action proposed

[4:44:51] Voice 7: at this time should i

[4:44:52] Voice 16: do the motion about i should stop to carry on and do the work on these

[4:44:56] Voice 16: sure

[4:44:57] Voice 7: why don't you do that now that's perfectly fine if we're not addressing the other

[4:45:02] Voice 7: we're not addressing two to six then i think that's totally reasonable sir

[4:45:06] Trustee Patrick: i'm just gonna

[4:45:06] Trustee Patrick: make a i'm just gonna use the front to seize one so i'm gonna move that the salt spring island

[4:45:10] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee request staff to work with work in cooperation with other relevant agencies

[4:45:16] Trustee Patrick: to complete the proof of water decision tree and any relevant mapping for accessory drilling units

[4:45:23] Voice 5: as we part of the ocp land use bylaw review project uh that the salt spring and local trust

[4:45:39] Voice 5: committee request

[4:45:40] Voice 4: staff to work in cooperation with other relevant agency or sorry with with

[4:45:45] Voice 4: with relevant agencies to complete

[4:45:47] Voice 4: the proof of water diffusion tree

[4:45:49] Voice 4: and any relevant mapping for accessory dwelling units

[4:45:53] Voice 4: as part of the post-treatment auditing review project.

[4:45:57] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:45:58] Voice 5: Yeah.

[4:46:00] Voice 5: Okay, so we'll take that as moved.

[4:46:02] Voice 5: We'll second that.

[4:46:05] Voice 5: Wish to speak to the motion.

[4:46:08] Trustee Patrick: I was just, there was a lot of work

[4:46:11] Trustee Patrick: that was done well with Linrow and other agencies

[4:46:15] Trustee Patrick: um that just stopped so it'd be nice to see it completed a

[4:46:22] Voice 5: lot of work okay any further

[4:46:25] Voice 5: discussion on the motion no not seeing any i will call the question all those in favor

[4:46:34] Voice 5: any opposed like your opposition noted okay thank you and so that i think that concludes

[4:46:56] Voice 5: includes item 14.1 for today

[4:46:59] Voice 7: then uh so next up we have uh uh 14.2 there's a notice of motion from

[4:47:07] Voice 5: trustee Patrick yes preparing for this meeting this morning I think in my opening notes I was

[4:47:17] Voice 5: pretty clear on um

[4:47:20] Trustee Patrick: how

[4:47:21] Voice 5: important it is for the island to hear all voices that live on the side

[4:47:25] Voice 5: island. We have a habit for that not to happen. And that

[4:47:34] Trustee Patrick: us at this table are the ones that have

[4:47:37] Trustee Patrick: to have the power to say, we're going to include you. And that's

[4:47:40] Voice 5: all voices, all voices on this

[4:47:44] Voice 5: island. We have to make sure that everyone has got the opportunity to equally influence action

[4:47:53] Voice 5: and be very aware of the power and privilege that some of us have on this island. And that when we

[4:48:04] Voice 5: fail to recognize this, we cause more harm.

[4:48:12] Trustee Patrick: We have to reinforce power, reinforcing power imbalances

[4:48:17] Trustee Patrick: lead to poor decisions that don't serve the community's needs and decrease trust in the

[4:48:25] Trustee Patrick: institutions. So I'm bringing this motion because we've got to stop this. I'm done with it. We are

[4:48:33] Trustee Patrick: not having these battles played out in the driftwood we're going to do good engagement we

[4:48:40] Trustee Patrick: have to we have to um so i'm putting this motion on the table i move that the salt spain island

[4:48:48] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee take immediate action to move beyond the now outdated practice of simple

[4:48:53] Trustee Patrick: inclusion and public processes and begin a practice of equity and participation for all its

[4:48:59] Trustee Patrick: public engagement processes this will be accomplished by directing staff fair in terms of

[4:49:05] Trustee Patrick: reference and a

[4:49:05] Trustee Patrick: request for proposals for the local trust committee approval to source qualified

[4:49:09] Trustee Patrick: professionals to develop an equity-based public engagement strategy for the organization that

[4:49:15] Trustee Patrick: adheres to the IAP2 core values for the practice of public participation and subsequently developing

[4:49:21] Trustee Patrick: and implementing aligned public engagement work plans for the official community plan land use

[4:49:27] Trustee Patrick: bylaw review and Ganges village planning projects and allocating appropriate public engagement

[4:49:32] Trustee Patrick: engagement funding for projects currently underway and I've included just a citation to the uh Center

[4:49:40] Trustee Patrick: of Dialogues equity and public engagement well

[4:49:43] Voice 5: no

[4:49:44] Trustee Patrick: it's the equity and public engagement a guide

[4:49:46] Trustee Patrick: for practitioners beyond inclusion oh

[4:49:49] Voice 7: from the monster yeah uh and have you got that okay uh so

[4:49:59] Voice 7: moved I'll second that um to speak further to your motion um

[4:50:04] Trustee Patrick: we've got important work to do

[4:50:06] Trustee Patrick: this island's facing crises we have no housing people to live on this island

[4:50:13] Trustee Patrick: and we can't have one-sided battles absolutely can't do that anymore we have to have inclusion

[4:50:20] Trustee Patrick: and to hear each other we have to hear what's happening to hurt the pain and we have to come

[4:50:25] Trustee Patrick: up with good solutions good solutions that work for everyone on this island

[4:50:30] Trustee Patrick: And we're about to open the OCP project.

[4:50:34] Trustee Patrick: I think this is an investment in that this organization,

[4:50:38] Trustee Patrick: planners are good at planning.

[4:50:40] Trustee Patrick: And I think planning used to be,

[4:50:42] Trustee Patrick: our planners doing engagements when it was quite simple was easy,

[4:50:46] Trustee Patrick: but things are so complex now.

[4:50:48] Trustee Patrick: Problems are more complex.

[4:50:49] Trustee Patrick: Social media just makes everything a living hell.

[4:50:54] Trustee Patrick: That we need to really up our game in the practices that we're using

[4:50:59] Trustee Patrick: so we can get to success um

[4:51:03] Voice 5: that we can all be proud of and we can make good decisions

[4:51:09] Voice 5: anything further on the motion uh sure i won't

[4:51:13] Voice 7: be in support of this motion i think the public

[4:51:16] Voice 7: spoke loud and clear and they continue to speak loud and clear during elections

[4:51:21] Voice 7: and i i agreed and we need housing and we as elected officials are supposed to be doing the

[4:51:28] Voice 7: work making this stuff happen i see this as something that's going to take more time and

[4:51:36] Voice 7: nothing's

[4:51:37] Voice 5: going to happen as far as housing goes so i won't be in favor of this thank you for that

[4:51:44] Voice 5: anything further i'll call the question all in favor any opposed motion carries would you like

[4:51:52] Voice 7: opposite yes please

[4:51:53] Voice 5: okay

[4:51:54] Voice 7: okay so that concludes section 14 uh under new business we had a request

[4:52:02] Voice 7: for uh fire department ltc that is on the spot by uh trustee patrick to us today or

[4:52:12] Voice 7: reminded to us by trustee patrick's uh do you want to introduce the site well

[4:52:18] Trustee Patrick: i just it was

[4:52:19] Trustee Patrick: from the minutes that robin came to meetings ago i don't remember what it was yeah and had

[4:52:25] Trustee Patrick: requested that somebody be appointed to the liaison between the district fire department

[4:52:33] Trustee Patrick: i have no particular interest i just thought we should answer him he asked right

[4:52:39] Voice 7: so one way or the other yeah yeah um okay well in uh and i thank you for bringing that back up

[4:52:48] Voice 7: because it's good when you get a specific ask to at least answer um so uh i guess that makes

[4:52:57] Voice 7: the question trustee harris are you interested in being the fire department liaison um for the

[4:53:03] Voice 7: local trust committee sure okay um so i guess i will move that just do that through general consent

[4:53:12] Trustee Patrick: i'm just trying to think of

[4:53:13] Voice 7: anything yeah we have we have motions from the past ones

[4:53:16] Voice 7: okay at the start of the term so sure we just wanted to know which trustee to insert and uh

[4:53:21] Voice 7: it let's let's insert trustee harris into that motion and maybe we could read it out and then

[4:53:26] Voice 7: we'll let

[4:53:28] Voice 4: the salt spring island local trust committee appoint trustee harris to be the salt

[4:53:32] Voice 4: spring island local trust committee liaison to the salt spring island fire protection district

[4:53:37] Voice 4: okay

[4:53:38] Voice 7: so moved and uh seconded uh any further discussion uh no i would just say thank you

[4:53:48] Voice 7: trustee hearth for being willing to take that on and i'll call the question all in favor

[4:53:53] Voice 5: and that carries okay so that brings us into section

[4:54:01] Voice 7: 16 uh the report section on page 320

[4:54:08] Voice 7: 20 we have the policy and standing resolutions list anything from staff or trustees on this

[4:54:16] Voice 5: not seeing anything future projects report on 331 thing on this uh

[4:54:27] Voice 7: the active projects list on page

[4:54:29] Voice 7: 334

[4:54:30] Voice 5: need

[4:54:31] Voice 7: to report mr chair i did want to just note that the water

[4:54:37] Voice 14: the proof of water bylaw

[4:54:39] Voice 14: uh question has been raised with staff and uh we recognize that this is one

[4:54:45] Voice 7: of the projects

[4:54:45] Voice 7: that kind of got less attention during the transition that we've been going through

[4:54:51] Voice 7: um but as we've been sort of getting on

[4:54:55] Voice 14: top of development and straightening out the larger

[4:54:58] Voice 14: projects um this is one that i have asked our staff

[4:55:01] Voice 7: um to move forward on so um in the interest

[4:55:05] Voice 7: interest of concluding that project overall that is working out hoping to have something to do in

[4:55:13] Voice 7: the next uh meeting or two okay thank you trustee Patrick I just

[4:55:16] Trustee Patrick: bring to uh um um your Hutton's

[4:55:21] Trustee Patrick: attention is the previous local trust committee gave specific feedback on the proof of water by

[4:55:27] Trustee Patrick: law that was brought to us we were

[4:55:29] Trustee Patrick: asking for a modern bylaw not one that deserves traditional

[4:55:32] Trustee Patrick: additional subdivisions of you know divide 160 acres into seven and put seven lots across it

[4:55:40] Trustee Patrick: and each one gets a house well house well we said that that's you know that's those days are

[4:55:44] Trustee Patrick: different now and that we should have a modern proof of water bylaw that um really thinks of

[4:55:51] Trustee Patrick: you know the future about what kind of housing more clustered more you know that it worked for

[4:56:00] Trustee Patrick: the type

[4:56:00] Voice 5: of housing that we were expecting not um spread across the island basically that would

[4:56:09] Voice 5: serve our you know not be a hindrance to affordable housing support clustered small housing complexes

[4:56:17] Voice 5: and it was not designed that way in sky valley big

[4:56:23] Trustee Patrick: lots big houses well

[4:56:26] Voice 7: somebody wants to do

[4:56:26] Voice 7: that that's their prerogative we need to do some zoning that will allow for higher density that's

[4:56:31] Voice 7: Strictly for the workforce ownership.

[4:56:34] Voice 7: it's

[4:56:35] Voice 5: the proof of water that goes with that, but this would do.

[4:56:42] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, A certain

[4:56:42] Voice 7: thing further on the active projects report and today.

[4:56:50] Trustee Patrick: under the water i think there's a bunch of stuff under the water and that includes there's still

[4:56:56] Trustee Patrick: that resolution that dropped off of the of the list there from september i think was september

[4:57:02] Trustee Patrick: resolution regarding weston lake and getting a meeting on water objectives and other based on

[4:57:10] Trustee Patrick: a paper from polis um that still was sitting um and that that's an important element that

[4:57:19] Trustee Patrick: would potentially lead to a pilot on a co-managed watershed and i know first nations are particularly

[4:57:26] Trustee Patrick: interested in that possibility and that meeting was never held so so it's a motion from september's

[4:57:35] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee this

[4:57:38] Voice 7: september september 22 right september

[4:57:41] Trustee Patrick: 22 right

[4:57:41] Voice 7: and i think we discussed

[4:57:43] Voice 7: that they the software drops things off the lists after a certain

[4:57:48] Voice 7: period of time i think that's what

[4:57:50] Voice 7: we we thought of a report but it's not off the list so staff does regularly revisit the entire

[4:57:56] Voice 7: use of the list however um i appreciate the intention to that one yeah

[4:58:01] Trustee Patrick: i think that was

[4:58:02] Trustee Patrick: is important to us uh you know we mentioned it when meeting uh the chief comes out and this is

[4:58:10] Voice 5: his eyes perked up okay anything further on the active projects

[4:58:18] Voice 7: we'll move on to the application

[4:58:21] Voice 7: to the status report anything from staff or trustees on this section i

[4:58:28] Trustee Patrick: just want to follow

[4:58:29] Trustee Patrick: up I heard you talk about the we raised the issue with the ALR non-farm use turn downs that we saw

[4:58:40] Trustee Patrick: I did notice that the appeal period is only 30 days so the question I think is quite specific

[4:58:45] Trustee Patrick: what can we do for those two applications to get back in front of the ALC our opinion you know that

[4:58:51] Trustee Patrick: we should be able to render our opinion it's probably too late to appeal and that's something

[4:58:55] Trustee Patrick: to look at in the future is when there is feedback really the applicant or us can implement an appeal

[4:59:04] Trustee Patrick: and we i didn't know about the the letters that come turning that down until way after 30 days so

[4:59:11] Trustee Patrick: i think it's we shouldn't miss those opportunities to appeal it's probably it's going to be harder

[4:59:18] Trustee Patrick: now i don't want to knock you up you need to deal with

[4:59:21] Trustee Patrick: those properties yeah

[4:59:22] Voice 7: find a solution

[4:59:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[4:59:26] Voice 7: so what I wonder if we want to do then is to get some reporting on making that process

[4:59:38] Voice 7: a bit more nimble for the LTC, that would sort of be ideally, we would have to

[4:59:47] Trustee Patrick: be notified

[4:59:49] Trustee Patrick: upon.

[4:59:50] Trustee Patrick: um so do the staff get notified when ALC makes a decision on an application that we've referred

[4:59:57] Trustee Patrick: I

[4:59:57] Voice 14: personally don't but we must get them through the portal

[5:00:00] Voice 14: So maybe we could possibly do a report on how we receive them and what we do with them.

[5:00:06] Voice 13: Well, I mean, I don't know if there's true procedure.

[5:00:11] Voice 13: It's like receiving a referral filed.

[5:00:17] I'm not

[5:00:18] Voice 7: learning with you or from you that it is something that could trigger an LTC referral.

[5:00:24] Voice 7: referral the process could be altered to bring those to bring those bring bring those replies

[5:00:31] Voice 7: to your attention as correspondence as you know without a staff report you know it's just yeah

[5:00:38] Voice 14: information similar

[5:00:40] Voice 7: to how we've you know made some changes to to just reporting with with the

[5:00:45] Voice 7: delegated dp so that you're aware of decisions made i think i think it's relevant relevant note

[5:00:52] Voice 7: the work would be whether there's a way that

[5:00:57] Voice 12: that you can these two particular ones addressed i don't

[5:01:03] Voice 12: know that

[5:01:03] Trustee Patrick: tim's working on tim's working on those and reviewing it there's a 30-day appeals that's

[5:01:09] Trustee Patrick: my only thing is we should be noticed but we have to be noticed in thought of the time of 30-day

[5:01:15] Trustee Patrick: appeal

[5:01:15] Voice 7: but it stands to reason because the lpc

[5:01:18] Voice 14: may choose to appeal that they should be forwarded

[5:01:21] Voice 7: alc decisions or thoughtful considerations yeah do

[5:01:25] Voice 16: we need a motion on that can we i

[5:01:27] Voice 7: i don't i i

[5:01:29] Voice 7: don't think so similar to the delegated dp it's just a process that we will implement

[5:01:35] Voice 7: when we receive an alr referral we

[5:01:38] Trustee Patrick: don't have any out that i'm aware of no i don't

[5:01:40] Trustee Patrick: think we do

[5:01:40] Trustee Patrick: either i just um yeah those two just filter something that we

[5:01:44] Trustee Patrick: can add and uh

[5:01:45] Voice 7: if if there

[5:01:47] Voice 7: is a reason uh you know if there is somewhere that needs to be updated by the ltc then we will bring

[5:01:55] Voice 7: it back to you if it can't just be

[5:01:57] Voice 5: a direction report to ensure that that's addressed okay great

[5:02:03] Voice 5: thank you uh

[5:02:05] Voice 7: so i think that takes us to 16.5 on page 356 which is the expense report uh dated

[5:02:17] Voice 5: did august anything on that seeing anything and then we have no island stress conservancy

[5:02:30] Voice 7: board report today the next regular meeting of the salt spring island local press committee is

[5:02:39] Voice 7: scheduled for 9 30 on november 16th right here it's before learning hub and if there's nothing

[5:02:49] Voice 7: nothing further oh look I

[5:02:52] Voice 15: just I just felt nice to know because I learned that Rob said we're going

[5:02:57] Voice 15: to be moving to the region it's

[5:02:59] Voice 7: not confirmed yet but

[5:03:00] Voice 7: we do have a town hall that's right on

[5:03:03] Voice 7: there November 15th there will be a town hall on November 15th at the golf club okay yeah we will

[5:03:11] Voice 7: be working on meeting scheduling uh it will come to your November or December meeting we are looking

[5:03:17] Voice 5: at alternate vendors at this time okay all right then uh

[5:03:23] Voice 7: with that and thanks for picking that up

[5:03:26] Voice 7: and that uh call for adjournment

[5:03:29] Voice 14: um

[5:03:30] Voice 7: just to note

[5:03:31] Voice 14: that this is not part of the meeting anyway but

[5:03:33] Voice 14: as we're scheduling if you know your kids are getting married or anything like that for some

[5:03:38] Voice 14: p gates uh

[5:03:39] Voice 7: we will try to get their outlook so uh if you have um anything like that coming up in

[5:03:45] Voice 7: 2024 please let us know so you can try to work with you on that one uh we try to make them

[5:03:51] Voice 7: work out as best we can sure yeah that's the i hope the scheduling a nightmare