Denman Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, October 21, 2023

[0:00:00] Trustee Maude (probable): Tim Morris will be joining us shortly, but we might as well get started.

[0:00:04] Trustee Maude (probable): Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today for this special meeting of the North Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:11] Trustee Maude (probable): I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to gather today in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:18] Trustee Maude (probable): I'm David Vaughn, elected of Main Island, chair of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:24] Trustee Maude (probable): Committee, joined today by our trustee, Ernest Campbell, who will shortly be joined by Trustee

[0:00:32] Morris.

[0:00:33] Together,

[0:00:34] Trustee Maude (probable): we make up the trust committee.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude (probable): This meeting is being live-streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person

[0:00:40] Trustee Maude (probable): today.

[0:00:41] Trustee Maude (probable): The recording will be posted to the House Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:44] Trustee Maude (probable): We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:00:47] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Brad Smith, who's our planner, who's just stepped out.

[0:00:50] Trustee Maude (probable): we have Marissa Chadwick um who is our um housing expert planning um and then we have Emily Bryant

[0:00:59] Trustee Maude (probable): who is our special person who's come to supervise to see that we're doing everything that we were

[0:01:05] Trustee Maude (probable): supposed to do um and then are you recording secondary also for today okay that's that is

[0:01:12] Trustee Maude (probable): your formula um this meeting is the official forum of your local trust committee to make

[0:01:16] Trustee Maude (probable): decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business i want to add the

[0:01:20] Trustee Maude (probable): space employment despite that many staff are in the world of the homes our staff have the right

[0:01:25] to a safe response workplace

[0:01:27] Trustee Maude (probable): so we have before us a very brief agenda um we just i can set it off

[0:01:34] Trustee Maude (probable): that and um we will hand it over to planner chadwick to speak about current housing trust

[0:01:42] Trustee Maude (probable): I was just at the initiatives.

[0:01:44] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:01:56] Voice 8: So I'm talking to Trustee Morrison,

[0:01:58] Voice 8: so we'll get the read on.

[0:02:01] Voice 8: Trustee Morrison's on her way, she's on her way.

[0:02:04] Voice 8: OK, so I guess I'll just maybe give her a couple of minutes.

[0:02:09] Voice 8: Just give her a couple of minutes.

[0:02:10] Voice 8: Yeah, because I think we're good with that.

[0:02:14] Voice 8: Sorry,

[0:02:15] Voice 2: do you want

[0:02:15] Voice 8: to talk about the Sure.

[0:02:18] Voice 2: So hi, folks. Hi, everyone. I'm Brad Smith,

[0:02:21] Voice 2: the Island planner for North Pender. And so today's special meeting is on housing, obviously.

[0:02:26] Voice 2: And so today's agenda, we're going to spend about half an hour with Marissa, who is our

[0:02:30] Voice 2: regional planning expert on housing and working on housing files all across the trust area.

[0:02:37] Voice 2: So there's lots of expertise and can provide a lot of clarity to the trustees as well as

[0:02:42] Voice 2: staff members of the community here on all the things that the trust is working with uh across

[0:02:48] Voice 2: the many different trust areas on housing initiatives and uh and then we'll have some

[0:02:53] Voice 2: time for questions and answers after that uh for staff trustees or if the trustees have questions

[0:03:00] Voice 2: of step and obviously the community as well then we'll take a break and then after that

[0:03:05] Voice 2: we're hoping to have a discussion with the community around uh priority and your housing

[0:03:11] Voice 2: housing needs uh obstacles opportunities and new priorities and all of that will uh

[0:03:18] Voice 2: step in feeding into a housing action plan which would be one of the outcomes of the housing

[0:03:24] Voice 2: project that the local trust committee is looking to move forward in respect of that project

[0:03:31] Voice 2: they've directed staff to submit a major project submission and so that requires

[0:03:39] Voice 2: a budget approval step with the Trust Council and so

[0:03:45] Voice 8: that's working through at this time.

[0:03:48] Voice 8: So I do

[0:03:50] Voice 2: know just one thing that's on our way,

[0:03:52] Voice 8: I think it's worthwhile to wait and let

[0:03:57] Voice 8: her hear you.

[0:03:58] Voice 8: I

[0:03:58] Voice 3: think so, yeah.

[0:03:59] Voice 8: Thank you for her.

[0:04:02] Voice 8: So, is there any immediate questions?

[0:04:07] Voice 3: Speaking to myself?

[0:04:08] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:04:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:04:10] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:04:10] Voice 8: all

[0:04:10] Voice 9: right thank you thank you for coming is it meaning for general

[0:04:19] Voice 3: housing on pender or is this

[0:04:20] Voice 3: a specific application for a bylaw uh

[0:04:23] Voice 2: so on the agenda and so i should so on the agenda the

[0:04:29] Voice 2: special meeting is to talk about housing that's broad uh both you know housing affordability and

[0:04:35] Voice 2: access which is obviously an issue in this community just as it is in pretty much every

[0:04:39] Voice 2: of the community in bc in canada right now uh and then at the end of the agenda there is a specific

[0:04:45] Voice 2: application where a plum tree court has applied for rezoning for uh to change the uh allowance

[0:04:54] Voice 2: of use on their property for right now the the language in the bylaw speaks to two uh how two

[0:05:00] Voice 2: family units and they're seeking to rezone for multi-family units just to allow them you know

[0:05:07] Voice 2: lot more people they could build a six flex or something like that versus having to build

[0:05:11] Voice 2: uh duplexes which would obviously uh just have more footprint as well as

[0:05:18] Voice 9: cost right okay thank

[0:05:20] Voice 9: Yes, it is.

[0:05:32] Voice 9: It's 3.30 in the morning for the auction.

[0:05:36] Voice 9: That's about it.

[0:05:37] Voice 9: So it's all agreed upon.

[0:05:42] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:05:47] Voice 9: Two meetings ago,

[0:05:48] Voice 9: this would have been an offer.

[0:05:51] Voice 9: So I didn't get hold of it.

[0:05:52] Voice 9: Well, I know

[0:05:54] Voice 9: I had

[0:05:55] Voice 9: a press council.

[0:05:59] Voice 8: I'd

[0:05:59] Voice 9: like a hold of this council.

[0:06:01] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:06:17] Voice 9: Press council?

[0:06:19] Voice 9: Press council.

[0:08:01] Voice 3: Okay,

[0:08:02] Voice 8: well, are

[0:08:03] Voice 3: we ready for the presentation?

[0:08:05] Voice 8: So, as Brad said, I am a member of the National Mining Team.

[0:08:11] Voice 8: the islands trust has gone to this uh we're evolving into a different model of doing things

[0:08:17] Voice 8: in the past the island planner has done all the current planning and the projects as well so we

[0:08:23] Voice 8: found that um that projects weren't being done um as efficiently as they potentially could be so we

[0:08:29] Voice 8: are now exploring that potential of um doing projects more efficiently by having a regional

[0:08:34] Voice 8: applying team that focuses on multiple city projects. So the benefits of that are you get

[0:08:42] Voice 8: somebody that's focusing on that, you've got a team that works together to sort of, you know,

[0:08:48] Voice 8: challenges and such with processes, and also we're building some expertise. So I don't know

[0:08:54] Voice 8: if any of you were here earlier this year or I can't even remember last year when I was here

[0:09:01] Voice 8: with William Shulba, so I had been working on some freshwater projects and I have to say that work

[0:09:06] Voice 8: very much is helpful to inform the housing work as well. And so I'm now doing, I'm also the planner

[0:09:13] Voice 8: for Maine Island, so I'm doing housing work for Maine

[0:09:16] Voice 1: Island and I'll

[0:09:17] Voice 8: speak to Maine a lot because

[0:09:18] Voice 1: Maine

[0:09:18] Voice 8: has sort of, is a bit of a pilot in a sense because the Maine Island

[0:09:24] Voice 1: trust focused on

[0:09:25] Voice 1: housing all of their last um their last term so we have a bit of a process and and um and that

[0:09:32] Voice 1: process has really informed what we are developing at a more regional scale um to inform processes

[0:09:38] Voice 1: that are happening on the other islands so um i'm currently doing a project on denman island

[0:09:44] Voice 1: housing so we're sort of

[0:09:46] Voice 8: following a bit of the process on main island

[0:09:48] Voice 8: it's it's it's it's got

[0:09:50] Voice 8: its own unique all islands will be unique and

[0:09:52] Voice 1: um you know i'll be introducing you to some sort

[0:09:55] Voice 1: sort of the process templates that we've developed that can evolve within a context,

[0:10:00] Voice 8: but it gives us in a specific context, but it gives us a starting point. So, um, I will just launch it so I can get a little bit of that.

[0:10:08] Voice 3: You said before you can do, can you switch this table so we can see it more? Or is there a reason?

[0:10:14] Voice 7: I'll move it, let me see if we can get it.

[0:10:16] Voice 7: You can move over there.

[0:10:18] Voice 7: Yeah, I'll switch

[0:10:18] Voice 3: the other end because I just can't see it very well from here and I want to repeat it a little bit. Thank you.

[0:10:23] Voice 8: yeah so i'm going to i'll talk a little bit about

[0:10:26] Voice 1: the housing initiatives that are happening

[0:10:27] Voice 1: trust-wide on a trust-wide level um and speak to some of the trust-wide tools and processes that

[0:10:32] Voice 8: we're sort of developing and exploring through the main island process um i'll tell you how

[0:10:40] Voice 8: that's been used in the main island process and where they've gotten to um and then some of the

[0:10:45] Voice 8: next steps for Pender and then we'll have a conversation after that.

[0:10:52] Voice 8: So

[0:10:52] Voice 1: at the trust level there's an interim strategic plan that does speak to addressing housing

[0:11:00] Voice 1: needs.

[0:11:01] Voice 8: At the regional planning committee level a lot of these tools and processes that I'm

[0:11:06] Voice 8: talking about are being kind of worked out through the regional planning

[0:11:11] Voice 1: committee.

[0:11:13] Voice 1: So these things will be presented to the overall trust council at their December meeting.

[0:11:19] Voice 1: So one of the things that the Regional Planning Committee has been working on is a proposed housing strategy.

[0:11:26] Voice 1: And that proposed housing strategy has

[0:11:28] Voice 8: evolved from staff looking at

[0:11:32] Voice 8: pretty much every single resource that we were able

[0:11:38] Voice 1: to find related to housing in the trust area.

[0:11:40] Voice 8: So, I've stacked a paper about this big, and one of our tools is an annotative bibliography

[0:11:47] Voice 8: that we've now put together that will tell you about all of those, and that's important.

[0:11:53] Voice 8: And out of that, we've pulled out all of the key actions that have been identified.

[0:12:00] Voice 8: I'll show you that a little bit more.

[0:12:02] Voice 8: Housing toolkit, I'm going to go through a little bit what those tools in that toolkit

[0:12:05] Voice 8: are they're very they're going to be very useful to um uh to staff and to trustees and the community

[0:12:11] Voice 8: um because they provide a lot of information um we're embarking on a suitable

[0:12:17] Voice 1: land analysis i'll

[0:12:17] Voice 1: tell you a little bit more about that so we're gathering data to get a sense of um the better

[0:12:23] Voice 1: areas in the community to add additional um

[0:12:25] Voice 8: residents um because really a lot of a lot of

[0:12:29] Voice 8: this work is about um it's about increasing housing options right because the island stress

[0:12:36] Voice 8: uh you know traditionally it was developed in large-scale lots for recognizing that um

[0:12:43] Voice 8: people are being priced out so being able to um uh to find some some more um flexible options

[0:12:50] Voice 8: more often they grab like this pump sheet court application for example like that was

[0:12:55] Voice 8: you know, identified buplexes, but multiplexes are much more cost-effective in this economic

[0:13:06] Voice 8: environment, a better way to go. And then we've got,

[0:13:11] Voice 1: like I've mentioned before, a few projects

[0:13:12] Voice 1: going on. We've got Maine Island has gone to a first phase, I'll introduce

[0:13:16] Voice 8: that to you, and

[0:13:19] Voice 8: And because of where Maine was able to go

[0:13:22] Voice 1: with that and the community engagement

[0:13:25] Voice 1: that has led to a development of an action plan,

[0:13:29] Voice 1: they, we have been able to work very effectively

[0:13:31] Voice 1: with the

[0:13:31] Voice 8: CRD to apply for some funding

[0:13:34] Voice 8: from the federal government.

[0:13:35] Voice 8: I'll tell you a little bit more about that

[0:13:36] Voice 8: and what contributed to their readiness.

[0:13:39] Voice 8: And like I said, Denman Island

[0:13:41] Voice 8: is sort of at the beginning phases.

[0:13:43] Voice 8: And Gabriela Island is also doing,

[0:13:46] Voice 8: and I'm managing that process, an OCP review,

[0:13:49] Voice 8: which is focusing on housing first.

[0:13:53] Voice 8: So this is the, so we have a proposed, like I said,

[0:13:57] Voice 8: Islands Trust housing strategy,

[0:13:59] Voice 8: and essentially it's all about helping LTC projects.

[0:14:03] Voice 8: So it's about identifying the research, the staff resources,

[0:14:09] Voice 8: communications, advocacy, partnerships,

[0:14:11] Voice 8: all of those things that we need to bring together

[0:14:13] Voice 8: to support these these local trust committee projects and this is what it kind of looks like

[0:14:19] Voice 8: we've got there's kind of a preliminary goal really that's you know focusing on low and

[0:14:26] Voice 8: middle-income household supporting those households to be able to continue to live

[0:14:31] Voice 8: in the island's trust area you know it looks at you know what kind of housing could

[0:14:38] Voice 8: like looking at a more more variety of housing to be supported um locations like i said when i

[0:14:44] Voice 8: will go into the civil land analysis and then the how part is like the partnerships and um

[0:14:49] Voice 8: and those sorts of things that need to be looked at in order to move really move forward and we're

[0:14:54] Voice 8: sort of demonstrating that a little bit with maine and the crd on the importance of partnerships and

[0:15:00] Voice 8: potentially acquiring funding and you know the regional districts um taking a role um

[0:15:07] Voice 8: So the housing toolkit,

[0:15:09] Voice 1: I'll step you through this a little bit because it's interesting, I think, for trustees, too.

[0:15:14] Voice 1: I think this is the first time you've been introduced to this in any detail.

[0:15:18] Voice 8: So you'll see the kind of process that has been informed, the tools that have been informed by all the research we've done and the work that we've done with Maine.

[0:15:31] Voice 8: So we're calling it a toolkit.

[0:15:32] Voice 8: it's just a package of

[0:15:33] Voice 1: information and tools that we can use. It includes some process templates,

[0:15:38] Voice 1: it includes some background information, mapping tools, and

[0:15:43] Voice 8: some action plan and strategy

[0:15:47] Voice 8: templates. It's designed to help focus local trust community discussions and inform

[0:15:56] Voice 8: form development of the housing action plan, business case, and project charter.

[0:16:02] Voice 8: The tools will hopefully lead to consistency across the island's trust in how we approach

[0:16:09] Voice 8: housing.

[0:16:10] Voice 8: And that would be helpful, again, in building these relationships with the regional districts

[0:16:16] Voice 8: to help support us.

[0:16:18] Voice 8: us. Like I said, it was informed a lot by the mains process and, you know, A53 housing

[0:16:27] Voice 8: options is really the focus there. So I'm just quickly going to go through some of those

[0:16:34] Voice 8: tools and I'll show you some examples of how mains use them. They've kind of been developed

[0:16:41] Voice 8: from me so it's kind of in this like in main main processes and form so we've got um and again these

[0:16:49] Voice 8: are templates templates that can be

[0:16:51] Voice 9: used

[0:16:52] Voice 8: in the context that's that and changed it's it's a

[0:16:56] Voice 8: starting point for discussion as um chairman wad and i are are recognizing all projects are very

[0:17:02] Voice 8: different um the project on me yeah

[0:17:05] Voice 3: probably i

[0:17:09] Voice 8: think we could probably turn them off

[0:17:11] Voice 9: that actually um yeah like i was saying um uh the

[0:17:19] Voice 1: process on denman is is different but it's nice to

[0:17:22] Voice 1: to be to at least have you know a sense of the

[0:17:25] Voice 8: process and so that's what we've got now we've

[0:17:28] Voice 8: got a sense of a a process there's some basic things in a process that we need to have um

[0:17:35] Voice 8: you know first nations engagement community engagement there's some some key steps um one

[0:17:41] Voice 1: of which is uh one of the initial steps is a discussion paper and that's that what that does

[0:17:48] Voice 1: is that it provides the opportunity to get all the information together that we can start to

[0:17:53] Voice 1: all be on the same page um and that discussion paper it includes you know like i said we have

[0:17:59] Voice 1: this much paper um and so some islands have have done quite a lot they've got you know several

[0:18:05] Voice 1: they've got a lot of people in the community that have been doing their own research and

[0:18:09] Voice 1: stuff on housing so they've got a like quite a credit a large amount of um stuff that's been

[0:18:14] Voice 1: done before we don't want to be repeating it so we're trying to find out um

[0:18:19] Voice 8: this is this

[0:18:20] Voice 8: in this discussion paper we're recording the information we know um from other folks that

[0:18:26] Voice 8: have done research um the demographic information is there um uh looking at needs assessment data

[0:18:32] Voice 8: we've been updating the needs assessments with the data that we we have available to us um

[0:18:39] Voice 8: as we go along and we're hoping to do that at a larger scale um at a trust-wide scale um

[0:18:45] Voice 8: uh so that we have them all available for um for each um for each island um

[0:18:52] Voice 8: these this map the mapping work that i'll show you a little bit more would be would be involved

[0:18:58] Voice 8: in in the discussion paper um i mean again it's like if trustees choose not to have certain

[0:19:05] Voice 8: certain elements in there we don't have to or if they want more elements again this is a starting

[0:19:09] Voice 8: a starting place to bring all the information that we know that can inform um housing policy

[0:19:15] Voice 8: on the island um existing ocp policies um and existing regulations those are things we can

[0:19:23] Voice 8: kind of bring into one place and um and then we've got this really i would say awesome list of um

[0:19:31] Voice 8: of potential OCP policies and land use by-law policies

[0:19:35] Voice 8: that we have shopped around all of our senior planners.

[0:19:40] Voice 8: We've shopped around to other colleagues.

[0:19:46] Voice 8: And it's a list that gives you all of the possible items

[0:19:50] Voice 8: that we've thought about,

[0:19:51] Voice 8: not to say that there aren't more that could be thought about.

[0:19:53] Voice 8: And I'll say I have a little bit for that too.

[0:19:56] Voice 8: This is a nice little thing that we've done now for each island.

[0:20:01] Voice 8: um and we'll hopefully have those up on the website at some point

[0:20:04] Voice 1: soon um but we've done

[0:20:07] Voice 1: these sort of snapshot

[0:20:08] Voice 8: housing profiles with the um the 20 uh 21 census data um so you can see

[0:20:15] Voice 8: uh you

[0:20:17] Voice 1: know which um you know some of the basic the basic data which is really interesting to

[0:20:21] Voice 1: look at you know how the population increased how the

[0:20:24] Voice 8: increase in violences matches that um

[0:20:27] Voice 8: where how many people are in core housing need.

[0:20:31] Voice 8: You can see on North Kendra, we've got 54% of the population is over 60.

[0:20:40] Voice 8: 71% are full-time occupied dwellings,

[0:20:45] Voice 8: which means there's about 30% that are visitors or weekenders.

[0:20:51] Voice 8: So this is a, this is a nice accessible snapshot of things.

[0:21:00] Voice 8: I've mentioned the sanitative bibliography that we have. So we did look through a giant pile

[0:21:06] Voice 1: of paper my colleague, Jason, did read every single one of those, and he has compiled a 80 page, actually I think we got it down to 50 page document that gives

[0:21:17] Voice 1: you um just a rundown on what what's contained in each one of those and each one of those um

[0:21:25] Voice 1: each one of those the ones

[0:21:26] Voice 8: that uh that are sort of the more official sources are all contained

[0:21:33] Voice 8: um on our website so i'll give you a little snap just to show you and um so north pender there's

[0:21:39] Voice 8: not a whole lot um there's um some

[0:21:43] Voice 1: work that was done in 2008 um there's some there's some um

[0:21:47] Voice 1: information in some of the southern Gulf Islands work

[0:21:50] Voice 8: that's been done more recently that can be

[0:21:54] Voice 8: mindful now to give you a sense of where things are at like I said maybe a bit more all the

[0:22:00] Voice 8: islands are different with respect to the kind of work that's been done yeah I don't know

[0:22:08] Voice 8: it's a tiny bit out of focus I think it's a tiny bit out of focus I don't know

[0:22:17] Voice 8: Oh, look at that.

[0:22:19] Voice 8: There we go.

[0:22:20] Voice 8: How's that?

[0:22:21] Voice 8: Better?

[0:22:23] Voice 8: Yeah?

[0:22:24] Voice 8: Is it a little bit better?

[0:22:26] Voice 9: Yeah, I think that might be the best we can do.

[0:22:31] Voice 9: Is that okay?

[0:22:34] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:22:37] Voice 8: Yeah, I think I have to pull it back here and load it,

[0:22:39] Voice 8: and then it comes off this.

[0:22:41] Voice 8: Here, let's see if I can get here.

[0:22:44] Voice 8: Yeah, then we, I think this is the best we can do here.

[0:22:55] Voice 7: Yeah, you can

[0:22:56] Voice 1: go to the website and then you

[0:22:58] Voice 8: can post it online already.

[0:23:01] Voice 1: Yeah, yeah, we've got it. So it's under our projects and it's affordable housing.

[0:23:08] Voice 1: This is a nice little tool that we've got in there, which you can't read because everything's far too small.

[0:23:13] Voice 1: But just to show you that we have done also like a breakdown of the responsibilities of each jurisdiction, just to remind us that, you know, this is

[0:23:26] Voice 8: something that involves everybody.

[0:23:29] Voice 8: And I was going to actually read to you the ones that are the responsibilities of the Islands Trust.

[0:23:40] Voice 8: trust. It's bigger on here. Just a second here. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah. So responsibilities of

[0:23:47] Voice 8: the island's trust.

[0:23:49] Voice 1: Establishing zoning that determines location and intensity of housing

[0:23:52] Voice 1: development. Steers housing development through land use

[0:23:55] Voice 8: planning, regulations, policy, and

[0:23:57] Voice 8: permitting. Requires holds and holding housing agreements to ensure affordability of certain

[0:24:06] Voice 8: residential housing projects and undertakes um data collection and research so that's within

[0:24:12] Voice 8: the purview of um of the island's trust and obviously the other jurisdictions have other

[0:24:18] Voice 8: other um uh responsibilities so you can see that the responsibility comes down to a lot of folks

[0:24:26] Voice 8: here um we've got this awesome again i think i think i think these things are great um uh

[0:24:37] Voice 8: We call it the baseline report,

[0:24:39] Voice 1: and that is an overview of every island in the Islands Trust's bylaws related to housing.

[0:24:46] Voice 1: So this is, you know, we're trying to make it easier, easy for the trustees and the staff that are going to put this information together.

[0:24:56] Voice 1: So everything is there for North Pender, all of

[0:25:00] Voice 8: the bylaws, all the OSP policies and the land use regulations that are related to housing.

[0:25:08] Voice 8: There's a chart, this chart. And

[0:25:10] Voice 1: again, sorry, it's not it's not in focus very well.

[0:25:13] Voice 1: But this is just this is the summary. So it identifies who

[0:25:18] Voice 8: has secondary suite regulations, for example,

[0:25:21] Voice 8: Paul, who has policies related to affordable housing.

[0:25:27] Voice 8: So we can look at, instead of having

[0:25:31] Voice 8: to go into every single bylaw, we

[0:25:33] Voice 8: can have a look and see what the other items are

[0:25:36] Voice 8: doing within this document.

[0:25:41] Voice 9: This is that

[0:25:44] Voice 8: awesome options table, policy and regulations

[0:25:52] Voice 8: table that we have.

[0:25:53] Voice 8: So this is the one where we have looked at every, every single option we can think of, and we being like me and all of the senior planners at the

[0:26:06] Voice 1: Islands Trust, and we've also shot this up to other colleagues in other local governments.

[0:26:11] Voice 1: This is several pages long, and what it provides the ability to do so with with Maine Island

[0:26:16] Voice 8: because Maine had been in conversation, we've been in conversation about

[0:26:19] Voice 8: housing for four years.

[0:26:23] Voice 8: we sort of had a

[0:26:24] Voice 1: sense of you know we could have a sense of the things that would kind of fly in

[0:26:29] Voice 1: the community because we had lots of community meetings so this is the way that this is

[0:26:34] Voice 1: translated is you know sort of being able to sort of identify the options that might work and

[0:26:38] Voice 1: and and then make a list you know here

[0:26:41] Voice 8: identify how they might work in the community

[0:26:46] Voice 8: For

[0:26:46] Voice 1: Denman Island, we've done a similar thing for Denman Island and they decided to also have a community housing

[0:26:55] Voice 8: APC Advisory Planning Commission have a look at the options as well to come up with their list too.

[0:27:07] Voice 9: Are there any questions at this point?

[0:27:10] Voice 9: Do you want to go into more exciting stuff?

[0:27:17] Voice 9: i'm wondering you've said

[0:27:20] Voice 8: that a lot of people and uh and staff have looked at this have has

[0:27:25] Voice 8: there been any discussion with anyone on the island i'm sort of thinking in that kind of

[0:27:31] Voice 8: indigenous uh saying that nothing about us without oh

[0:27:34] Voice 1: absolutely yeah

[0:27:35] Voice 8: hearing that this stuff coming

[0:27:37] Voice 8: at us yeah and

[0:27:39] Voice 8: i i you know we're trying to get things done here yeah and we see kind of this

[0:27:46] Voice 1: totally well i totally hear you and and this is when this is this is the research right so this

[0:27:50] Voice 1: is all the background information that we're providing to community and like i

[0:27:54] Voice 1: said like we

[0:27:55] Voice 1: we thought of all of the options we're not saying these are the options that are going to work in

[0:27:58] Voice 1: community we said like legally um these are the ones that that could work i mean some of them

[0:28:04] Voice 1: might be like ridiculous for your island right so it's really just looking at through that through

[0:28:10] Voice 1: that sort of legal lens it's not uh it's not being specific and like i said um um these are

[0:28:17] Voice 1: shocked out like whatever like the like on denman they've given beginning they've been giving staff

[0:28:23] Voice 1: recommendations they've also been given the entire list

[0:28:25] Voice 5: so i'm gonna add to that too that's okay um

[0:28:29] Voice 5: so you know generally speaking when we do projects within the trust the goal is not to have well from

[0:28:36] Voice 5: from my perspective anyway, the goal is not to have the trust dictate what the project is.

[0:28:40] Voice 5: The goal is to have the trust provide background information from other places, from resources to

[0:28:47] Voice 5: help inform what we decide to do as a community, right? So that this information is not a starting

[0:28:54] Voice 5: point because obviously it's been started in community before, right? It's just additional

[0:28:58] Voice 5: information to think with and then we can decide. Any of these things we can choose today, we can

[0:29:03] Voice 5: choose yeah we're going to take that we're not going to take that we're going to you know or we

[0:29:06] Voice 5: can you know start to direct staff to like narrow it or expand it or include like specific people

[0:29:12] Voice 5: in the conversation here because we want so we can do all those kinds of things going forward

[0:29:16] Voice 5: and this is not about necessarily what kind of housing um hits the ground because that's a

[0:29:23] Voice 5: combination of land use planning and services right but it's about what kinds of potentials

[0:29:30] Voice 5: we could open up on the landscape so that it's easier to do housing

[0:29:34] Voice 8: i see that yeah

[0:29:35] Voice 5: it's a great

[0:29:37] Voice 8: question though i appreciate that and just that as well that uh this

[0:29:42] Voice 2: is a framework that's being

[0:29:44] Voice 2: developed trust-wide so that we have some tools and some structure around moving housing

[0:29:50] Voice 2: initiatives forward and some commonality of ground process and approach across the islands

[0:30:00] Voice 8: trustee morrison

[0:30:01] Voice 2: indicated they've also initiated a specific housing project which will use some of

[0:30:08] Voice 2: this framework and tools to help shape that project and the outcomes of that project but

[0:30:14] Voice 2: the outcomes of that project itself will be very much tender based it will be today is really the

[0:30:20] Voice 2: first or the second chance because we've had that first discussion with the community although this

[0:30:24] Voice 2: is kind of the first opportunity for the community to begin to express to the trustees and staff

[0:30:29] Voice 2: what are your key issues

[0:30:33] Voice 8: and needs and options and really i guess opportunities around it

[0:30:37] Voice 5: and i think i also just have to stress like the trust is not everything right the trust

[0:30:42] Voice 5: is the land use planning component of the work and hopefully like if it's doing its

[0:30:47] Voice 5: work properly it's also the coordination with other levels of government to get it

[0:30:51] Voice 5: so that would be my goal anyway and part of this work is to try and figure out what are the like

[0:30:59] Voice 5: really highly rich land use planning mechanisms we can put in place in advance so we're not sitting

[0:31:07] Voice 5: waiting for people to come at us and say yeah this could be it or that could be because that's

[0:31:12] Voice 5: what's been happening here frankly is it's been people coming with projects and not thinking as

[0:31:17] Voice 5: a whole community across the landscape so that's what we really need this to do is we need to think

[0:31:21] Voice 5: across the landscape and see what options do we want to give so when people come with projects

[0:31:26] Voice 5: they already know like the zoning is like this you can dive in and work on that so and then the

[0:31:32] Voice 5: coordination function like to try and help make things smoother across levels of government because

[0:31:37] Voice 5: i know like in your case that there's has been some challenges with that and so like what can

[0:31:42] Voice 5: we do to actually what are some strategies and um like specific actions the trust could take to make

[0:31:48] Voice 5: that smoother yeah

[0:31:51] Voice 8: and i think i would i would emphasize tools right like i mean we've all got

[0:31:55] Voice 8: got tools in our own tool kits whatever it might be right and um here we're just trying to provide

[0:32:02] Voice 8: those tools but there may be other tools right there may be other so um um yeah so this is

[0:32:11] Voice 8: another tool and this is also one of those that um trustees can decide how they how they want to

[0:32:17] Voice 8: use it um and we're calling it a suitable land analysis and we are um north bender is actually

[0:32:23] Voice 8: quite lucky because um uh they were actually when the north pender went to the ocp process i think

[0:32:31] Voice 8: was in 2008 or something like that um um robert kojima who's now the regional planning manager

[0:32:37] Voice 8: was was in charge of that project and he did a bunch of mapping using a lot of data um and so

[0:32:43] Voice 8: we have had a little bit of a model for uh north pender so north pender is being used as a

[0:32:51] Voice 1: a prototype to develop a methodology again the information can be used however you want to use it

[0:32:57] Voice 1: um the kind of information and and the impetus uh on um doing this sort of at a trust-wide level

[0:33:06] Voice 1: came

[0:33:06] Voice 8: from uh was informed by um how we used a uh we use data in a main island housing project so

[0:33:17] Voice 8: So for Main Island, they were very interested in how can we allow additional smaller dwellings

[0:33:25] Voice 8: on properties.

[0:33:28] Voice 8: And so we looked at that and we looked at, we have, and the last time I was here, we

[0:33:35] Voice 8: were talking about the freshwater data that we've been collecting.

[0:33:40] Voice 8: So we have all of this data on water.

[0:33:42] Voice 8: So

[0:33:43] Voice 1: in this impetus, I said, you know, we've got all this data on water, we should really look at where we have the water to support, you know, like

[0:33:54] Voice 1: some of those elements related to the mapping that

[0:33:58] Voice 8: identify to us where we really shouldn't be putting additional people, where we're having more impact, where it's going

[0:34:08] Voice 1: to have more impact.

[0:34:08] Voice 1: again decisions there are trade-offs everywhere you might want to put people whether it's going

[0:34:13] Voice 1: to have more impact in one way but

[0:34:15] Voice 8: it's going to benefit something else what this mapping so for

[0:34:18] Voice 8: main island we used the data

[0:34:21] Voice 1: that we had available that we used to kind of identify a pilot area

[0:34:25] Voice 1: for this concept of flex housing which which is ultimately what we might arrive at which allows

[0:34:33] Voice 1: allows for an additional dwelling or additional dwellings, depending on the size of lot, within

[0:34:40] Voice 1: a maximum floor area for all of the dwellings. So

[0:34:43] Voice 8: instead of a 5,000 square foot home, you

[0:34:48] Voice 8: could have three, you know, 1,000 square foot or 1,200 square foot homes. So that's the

[0:34:55] Voice 8: general concept. So for Maine, what we looked at was, first of all, where are the areas

[0:35:01] Voice 8: is where our data has told us like we you really shouldn't go because like the most vulnerable were

[0:35:09] Voice 8: the most most the most vulnerable in terms of um like groundwater there's not a whole lot of water

[0:35:16] Voice 8: there and that's the grayed out area then and then the water districts had told us they didn't

[0:35:22] Voice 8: want they didn't want to be adding any additional um residences in the area that's the blacked out

[0:35:28] Voice 8: area and then we looked at um we

[0:35:31] Voice 1: looked at salt water intrusion we have salt water intrusion

[0:35:34] Voice 1: mapping so that's for the wells um and we've got aquifer vulnerability um information and that

[0:35:42] Voice 1: tells us um you know it's based on soils and stuff so it basically tells us um how wait like

[0:35:49] Voice 1: where there's challenges

[0:35:51] Voice 8: with seepage in the into the ground and potential um you know polluting of

[0:35:56] Voice 8: groundwater um and then we also look at proximity to amenities so unfortunately this map isn't the

[0:36:02] Voice 8: best because the layer of the blue and pink is on top of of the the pink and red but the the pink

[0:36:09] Voice 8: and red and orange is really

[0:36:10] Voice 1: the red the red areas on this map are showing you um

[0:36:14] Voice 8: where there's the

[0:36:15] Voice 8: highest vulnerability where water is threatened the most you have one

[0:36:19] Voice 8: offender i

[0:36:20] Voice 7: mean we don't

[0:36:22] Voice 8: yeah we're working with bender right yeah we don't want we don't have one tender yeah i mean we we're

[0:36:28] Voice 8: working it's the pilot yeah yeah so

[0:36:36] Voice 1: we have we have all the data like i said before like we're

[0:36:39] Voice 1: lucky because north bender is actually being used as the prototype because of the housing product

[0:36:43] Voice 1: coming up too the prototype to

[0:36:44] Voice 8: develop a methodology that includes not only these

[0:36:47] Voice 8: these factors that we used for Maine, but also things like steep slope, groundwater recharge,

[0:36:53] Voice 8: well density, sensitive ecosystems. So the kind of darker gray, those are the ones we've got data

[0:37:00] Voice 8: for. The ones that we're wanting to kind of explore and see if we can, that includes things

[0:37:06] Voice 8: like wildfire risk and cultural significance. But again, we're in the very early stages of figuring

[0:37:11] Voice 8: out whether that data but the ones in the in the um in the darker gray we have that data so those

[0:37:17] Voice 8: are things that we can put onto the map and at some point in your in your project you will see

[0:37:22] Voice 8: that map um and the other mapping that we'll be doing trust-wide that is very critical to

[0:37:30] Voice 8: understanding um

[0:37:32] Voice 1: housing potential is the subdivision potential uh looking at which

[0:37:36] Voice 1: Which would, how many, like

[0:37:37] Voice 8: the loss that can be subdivided and also like where building has happened, where it hasn't happened, or where there is density that hasn't been used.

[0:37:48] Voice 5: Just put a maps question. If you want to access any of the maps that exist, which are pretty extensive actually for Plunder, there isn't a synthesis map, I think is what they were saying, but if you want to access all the individual data maps,

[0:37:59] Voice 5: maps there on including the water ones now are up on the website when you go I want to and it asks

[0:38:07] Voice 5: and it says maps you can actually explore by this

[0:38:09] Voice 8: is the layers yeah yeah

[0:38:12] Voice 8: so some of the layers are

[0:38:13] Voice 8: there the water related ones are so yeah so this is going

[0:38:17] Voice 8: to be like absolutely critical because

[0:38:21] Voice 8: Because this work on North Bend will essentially

[0:38:25] Voice 8: set one of the constraints to work with them.

[0:38:30] Voice 8: So having real hard work and expert involvement

[0:38:35] Voice 8: to make sure we're all comfortable with our land

[0:38:38] Voice 8: here is going to be really, really important.

[0:38:40] Voice 8: And it's great.

[0:38:41] Voice 8: I mean, it's good to have that, because then you're not

[0:38:44] Voice 8: running big risks by doing development where water

[0:38:48] Voice 8: are, I won't support it, but I really, this is great to see because this work is going

[0:38:55] Voice 8: to be an incredibly important foundation for what we do on Marquette Avenue.

[0:39:00] Voice 5: I think there's another thing to consider, and we'll have to consider it as a community,

[0:39:05] Voice 5: but, you know, when you're talking about water here, like, or this whole region so

[0:39:11] Voice 5: far, we've been talking about groundwater, right?

[0:39:13] Voice 5: But there are other ways to build now that we could, and it's challenging because some of the other provincial agencies haven't opened up fully the processes for multifamily residential, for instance, for rainwater collection.

[0:39:29] Voice 5: You can do

[0:39:29] Voice 5: it on pilot, but you can't do it as a default.

[0:39:32] Voice 5: So like, but I have had some conversations with folks in the province about that, and Pender could be a pilot for that if we wanted to press on that.

[0:39:41] Voice 5: and so these maps will absolutely help inform what kind of building as well as where we put

[0:39:47] Voice 5: buildings so we could put buildings in low groundwater area if we say if we can constrain

[0:39:52] Voice 5: them to be only catch water right and but those are conversations that we just have to have

[0:39:56] Voice 5: is that possible

[0:39:58] Voice 3: yeah

[0:40:01] Voice 8: i mean but really

[0:40:02] Voice 8: it provides it provides the day it's the data

[0:40:05] Voice 8: we'll have we've got the you know we've got the data we're bringing it together and we're going

[0:40:09] Voice 8: going to use it to inform the process and again like there may be ways to you know um like denman

[0:40:15] Voice 8: will be an interesting one because there are um there is for example um a uh a co-op housing

[0:40:21] Voice 8: project that has a very sophisticated rainwater catchment um system so um you know there have to

[0:40:29] Voice 1: be some analysis around like you know how much can you depend on that and then there's also when

[0:40:34] Voice 1: you think about fire risk and all those sorts of things so it does open up the conversation to

[0:40:38] Voice 8: other things but what it grounds it it grounds the conversation in um in data as opposed to um

[0:40:46] Voice 8: assumption right um

[0:40:50] Voice 9: so yeah so

[0:40:52] Voice 1: so we have this opportunity to to to really understand where

[0:40:56] Voice 1: things are at um we bring all this information together around you know where are things at um

[0:41:01] Voice 1: with respect to the policies what have we already got in place what are the the possibilities um

[0:41:08] Voice 1: What do we know about the land? And then from there, you can you move to the next step of developing an action plan.

[0:41:17] Voice 1: So, again, we've created a template. Templates are like, you know, it's not a required template.

[0:41:23] Voice 1: It can be it can be used as a starting point, but it can be completely changed.

[0:41:28] Voice 1: Like it depends on the community. Like how you want to present information.

[0:41:32] Voice 1: you know, what's going to be priority for you, but it provides a little bit of a starting point.

[0:41:41] Voice 1: And so me and I'm just showing you here, like how all this came together, where we ended up was a number of actions

[0:41:49] Voice 1: worded in different ways. So, you know, and actually this has all changed a little bit too,

[0:41:54] Voice 1: for the application that we've made to the federal government in partnership with the CRD.

[0:42:00] Voice 1: we've kind of we've had to use their language so it's it's a bit of a interesting thing there but

[0:42:06] Voice 1: this is this gives you a sense of of where things started um like how we took all that information

[0:42:11] Voice 1: and and what we ended up with so i'm calling it the living with the land program which is getting

[0:42:16] Voice 1: the information together understanding the land um secondary suites and we're calling it it's

[0:42:21] Voice 1: missing

[0:42:21] Voice 8: middle for the islands again that's that's sort of like you know bureau speak that's that's

[0:42:27] Voice 8: what the federal government's using that's that's the uh you know allowing additional dwellings so

[0:42:32] Voice 8: this flexible housing concept that i was talking about that's that sort of falls into that place

[0:42:38] Voice 8: this alternative housing this was this is about looking at um um alternative locations for housing

[0:42:46] Voice 8: like mixing residential

[0:42:49] Voice 1: with commercial um uh you know looking where that might be an opportunity

[0:42:54] Voice 1: we've got some you know we've had lots of conversations about tiny homes so that

[0:42:58] Voice 1: that conversation will continue

[0:43:00] Voice 8: um we'll see we'll see where it goes um uh not also we've got

[0:43:06] Voice 8: this not not-for-profit affordable rental um ownership

[0:43:09] Voice 1: program which that that's that's

[0:43:13] Voice 1: interesting we've also through this whole um work that we've been doing on housing with me we've

[0:43:17] Voice 1: also developed a really good relationship with habitat for humanity so this is and david and

[0:43:23] Voice 1: were just speaking about this before the meeting

[0:43:24] Voice 8: like there's opportunities to look at um at

[0:43:27] Voice 8: subdivision and where subdivision may not be allowed now allowing it if uh if um if there

[0:43:34] Voice 8: is going to be a a lot donated for example so

[0:43:38] Voice 4: is the purpose of these meetings that we're having

[0:43:40] Voice 4: today to come up with an action plan for pendants is that what good so far it's all made so we don't

[0:43:47] Voice 4: have an action no no and you're

[0:43:49] Voice 8: about nine months out from having an action plan okay so this

[0:43:53] Voice 8: doesn't take four years this took four years so okay so but because no no no because maine took

[0:44:01] Voice 8: four years we we understand the process um so now it's only going to take maine six to nine years

[0:44:09] Voice 8: months to

[0:44:12] Voice 7: sort

[0:44:17] Voice 1: of understand the process right there's a whole bunch of process before we can

[0:44:21] Voice 1: get to this place um and like i say we've helped these tools instead of the main the main like

[0:44:28] Voice 1: having to go north pender now having to go and figure out what's all the information what are

[0:44:34] Voice 1: all the options there are there there are a lot of that that's been done now so now it's really

[0:44:38] Voice 1: about community engagement discussion about where you want to go and what you want your actions to

[0:44:43] Voice 1: be right um and like i said you i mean your project isn't going to get started until um april

[0:44:49] Voice 8: because you're waiting on um decision from the um local trust committee about uh supporting a major

[0:44:56] Voice 8: post project

[0:44:57] Voice 1: but what am i talking about yeah that's my trust council um

[0:45:01] Voice 5: so yeah i want to

[0:45:03] Voice 5: caution you on saying things like that because it's not

[0:45:06] Voice 5: that we're not going to get started

[0:45:07] Voice 5: we're going to have community information meetings whatever we need to do to do this even if it's

[0:45:11] Voice 5: we're taking over our regular meetings quite likely because we're going to move along on

[0:45:15] Voice 5: trying to think collectively on

[0:45:16] Voice 4: what this is talking about action plans right here i know

[0:45:19] Voice 5: exactly yeah so but

[0:45:22] Voice 5: and and action plans in the community for housing like a community housing

[0:45:25] Voice 5: group can can do that largely what we're talking about is how do we get it zoned in the right ways

[0:45:30] Voice 5: based on what the community wants right and so and how do we do that not one parcel at a time

[0:45:36] Voice 5: but holistically so that you don't have to do it one parcel at a time yeah

[0:45:40] Voice 1: that's what this is all

[0:45:41] Voice 1: about like for example the subdivision to allow for um allowing a subdivision for donation of

[0:45:46] Voice 1: land right that's something like ordinarily if you were wanting to to subdivide your knowledge

[0:45:52] Voice 1: subdivide your land you wanted to carve off a little bit for habitat for humanity you'd have

[0:45:57] Voice 1: to go through a rezoning process so this is this is you know making

[0:46:01] Voice 8: those changes so that that is

[0:46:03] Voice 8: an easier and faster thing to do.

[0:46:05] Voice 8: It won't be cheaper.

[0:46:07] Voice 8: Well, it would be, yeah.

[0:46:08] Voice 8: If we can do it.

[0:46:11] Voice 8: Well, yeah.

[0:46:12] Voice 8: So, see, we're test driving it with Maine.

[0:46:15] Voice 2: Can I just add that the first half of today

[0:46:18] Voice 2: is meant to educate.

[0:46:19] Voice 2: So that's what we're doing here

[0:46:20] Voice 2: is trying to present all the work

[0:46:23] Voice 2: that's been done to date in other areas

[0:46:26] Voice 2: to show that a lot of work has been done

[0:46:28] Voice 2: and North Pendric and Pigtail on this work

[0:46:32] Voice 2: to save a whole bunch of time and there's been a lot of work around action plan template development

[0:46:37] Voice 2: all of those things the second half after the break will be hearing from you on what are your

[0:46:44] Voice 2: needs your priorities your concerns your and those in that information will be a starting

[0:46:50] Voice 2: point to start to feed into the actual actions the

[0:46:53] Voice 7: housing needs assessment reports that have been

[0:46:59] Voice 8: That's all

[0:46:59] Voice 8: in the very first

[0:47:01] Voice 1: step is getting that discussion paper done, right, yeah, yeah well that's the discussion paper will say you've had lots of them and this is what they say in like a nice thing, couple of Erica right so you don't have to go through them all yet.

[0:47:12] Voice 7: But our HNA, our housing needs assessment was done in 2018.

[0:47:17] Voice 7: It's

[0:47:17] Voice 8: actually out of date.

[0:47:24] Voice 8: And

[0:47:25] Voice 1: we do need to, that needs to be updated.

[0:47:27] Voice 1: So what we've been doing is we've been doing preliminary updates to the needs assessments as we go along.

[0:47:33] Voice 1: Like we did a preliminary on all the data that we have available to us, and we did one for Deadman.

[0:47:38] Voice 1: And so if

[0:47:40] Voice 8: we're not doing it at the trust-wide scale, then that'll be something that will be done.

[0:47:45] Voice 8: because it's very difficult to get head into a housing project and don't have your update

[0:47:50] Voice 8: an update right but that

[0:47:52] Voice 1: profile snapshot that

[0:47:53] Voice 8: actually gives you like like at least the high

[0:47:56] Voice 8: higher level um uh most recent data but but the um

[0:48:03] Voice 3: housing accelerator fund there's 50 indicators

[0:48:06] Voice 3: in the

[0:48:07] Voice 8: housing needs assessment to qualify for funding.

[0:48:12] Voice 8: So it's actually, it's like ultimately,

[0:48:16] Voice 8: sorry, this is not my comments,

[0:48:17] Voice 8: but ultimately we would want to position ourselves

[0:48:20] Voice 8: to be available for the funding that is available.

[0:48:24] Voice 8: Exactly.

[0:48:25] Voice 8: Which we actually was ahead

[0:48:27] Voice 8: and they did not align themselves with that format.

[0:48:31] Voice 8: And so my comment when this story jumped in the head is,

[0:48:35] Voice 8: is could we format this, I think, wonderful work that's been done.

[0:48:40] Voice 8: So much background, names already gone through.

[0:48:43] Voice 8: It's just, I've been following it, and it's unplanned.

[0:48:47] Voice 8: It's fantastic.

[0:48:48] Voice 8: But I think we should align to get funding.

[0:48:53] Voice 8: We have no HM, updated HM, housing needs assessment.

[0:48:57] Voice 8: No housing accelerated funding.

[0:48:59] Voice 8: And

[0:48:59] Voice 1: that's why I think it's important.

[0:49:01] Voice 8: and what we're hoping we're hoping to be able to do them uh trust-wide and absolutely your comments

[0:49:07] Voice 8: are completely um relevant because that's what we want to do we want everything that we do at

[0:49:13] Voice 8: this point we need to like try and align as much as possible um

[0:49:17] Voice 1: with what's required for these

[0:49:19] Voice 1: these processes and what's interesting is and i you know uh you know i have planner colleagues

[0:49:24] Voice 1: that are working for

[0:49:26] Voice 8: icnhc and everybody's learning as we go along right so we're going

[0:49:30] Voice 8: going to learn a lot about what what we're going to need to do because of the housing accelerator

[0:49:34] Voice 1: funding process as well so um yeah so we definitely i i guess i mean north mentor has

[0:49:41] Voice 1: has the advantage of coming up like after province and feds are sort of figuring out their stuff

[0:49:48] Voice 1: right so we can start to align very closely like that uh like main main tried to guess you know and

[0:49:54] Voice 1: we we get to the best of our ability and hopefully we'll be successful with the funding but we'll see

[0:50:01] Voice 1: yeah i'm going to say two

[0:50:02] Voice 5: things to you i was

[0:50:04] Voice 8: just going to say like we

[0:50:06] Voice 8: marybeth was sort of addressing it there is just because it happened at some point doesn't mean

[0:50:13] Voice 8: that it's sufficient anymore and so just you know what what has happened in the past doesn't isn't

[0:50:19] Voice 8: necessarily going to do us any good in the future and that is unfortunate if studies have been done

[0:50:25] Voice 8: and they don't align with the information that's needed to move forward we've had I don't even know

[0:50:31] Voice 8: how many emails have come through about different possible funding opportunities that are coming

[0:50:37] Voice 8: from the government that every single time an email goes back to say is there any way that we

[0:50:42] Voice 8: can take advantage of this it's sort of you know no because we're not in the position information

[0:50:47] Voice 8: information-wise to be able to pull the trigger on something like that. And if we don't start this

[0:50:52] Voice 8: conversation now and get all of our ducks in a row, we won't get any money for any of this kind

[0:50:58] Voice 8: of funding going forward. So we sort of have to... No,

[0:51:04] Voice 5: so this is part of the, like, coordination

[0:51:06] Voice 5: part that we haven't historically done such a great job on, and hopefully we're doing a much

[0:51:11] Voice 5: better job now that we haven't arrested in that role, is coordinating with the CRD, with the

[0:51:15] Voice 5: province to to do those moves because that has been atrocious and

[0:51:19] Voice 5: so like we need to be a lot

[0:51:21] Voice 5: better to make that smoother having said that i think we're also i agree like we're struggling

[0:51:27] Voice 5: to make sure that we have those aligned criteria to me and and that's what we need to do i guess

[0:51:32] Voice 5: my question for you marissa related to that and this is a problem we have with the water study

[0:51:36] Voice 5: like our water study took like four years for us to see the maps three years for us three and a

[0:51:41] Voice 5: half years to for us to see the match room when we instigated it and it's because we were the first

[0:51:45] Voice 5: to instigate it like so are

[0:51:48] Voice 5: you our water study like you were first yeah

[0:51:51] Voice 8: that's what happened

[0:51:52] Voice 5: like

[0:51:53] Voice 8: and so just

[0:51:53] Voice 5: but it's my cautionary tale of like and I don't want to get into that too far

[0:51:58] Voice 5: with the housing issue like I want the housing issue to take us less than a year like if we can

[0:52:03] Voice 5: like to get forward on the work you

[0:52:05] Voice 1: absolutely will get it will take you less and again Maine

[0:52:09] Voice 1: is paved the way and so now we've got like all of that work that a planner would need to do that

[0:52:15] Voice 1: would take a long long time has been done for them so that that uh that first report which would

[0:52:22] Voice 1: could have taken months won't take like

[0:52:24] Voice 8: you would cut the time there yeah um and um yeah but just to

[0:52:29] Voice 5: finish my question my question is actually around like you're saying it's we're doing these across

[0:52:33] Voice 5: trust wide which i completely understand why the cost efficiencies are there to do it that way

[0:52:38] Voice 5: but i don't want to get caught behind trust-wide processes you don't

[0:52:41] Voice 5: need to take us a lot longer

[0:52:42] Voice 5: yeah

[0:52:42] Voice 1: so that's why i said in the case of maine and denman because we were wanting to apply for

[0:52:48] Voice 1: the funding and because like in in maine's case they were like we don't have an updated needs

[0:52:53] Voice 1: assessment we we expedited that to the best of our ability so all of the uh the quantitative

[0:53:01] Voice 1: information we could pull from stats and all the qualitative information we mined from what was

[0:53:07] Voice 1: existing in the community and we put that in so it's not the most robust but it it is actually um

[0:53:14] Voice 1: we got a check mark from san jose you know um it was it was good enough for them kind of thing so

[0:53:20] Voice 1: um yeah but

[0:53:22] Trustee Maude (probable): i think one one thing i can do is being the testimonial is because i'm fortunate

[0:53:28] because i worked with with the planet chapter through the main process which which you know

[0:53:33] Trustee Maude (probable): it was we were all learning together i'm fortunate also to be the chair of demina

[0:53:38] Trustee Maude (probable): and and so when i arrived on denman housing was the issue it was there's a 20 years of studies

[0:53:45] Trustee Maude (probable): at our second meeting and she was presented with literally a stack of paper that high

[0:53:58] Trustee Maude (probable): of the studies and and she has now become like our energizer bunny housing it's in six months

[0:54:05] she's moved 28 years of history and is actually achieving results like we have this housing

[0:54:12] advisory committee

[0:54:13] Trustee Maude (probable): that is just pumping out stuff that is just it's really informative

[0:54:17] Trustee Maude (probable): really wonderful and there's a momentum they're happening but it's because we have this specialized

[0:54:22] Trustee Maude (probable): specialized planner who's learned a whole bunch of stuff from Maine Island. She's taken to Denman,

[0:54:27] Trustee Maude (probable): she's taken to Gabriel, now she's bringing it to North Panther. And so like you've got a phenomenal

[0:54:33] Trustee Maude (probable): skill set in a specialized planner. And so we've gone from being this is like pulling teeth to like

[0:54:39] Trustee Maude (probable): holy cow we're making progress. And like the people in Denman though they're saying oh we're

[0:54:45] Trustee Maude (probable): dragging our feet. We're actually we're moving mountains up there.

[0:54:49] Voice 1: We're moving faster than we

[0:54:50] Voice 1: otherwise would and i i would also just emphasize again like each island is different right so

[0:54:55] Voice 1: gabriel

[0:54:56] Voice 8: is is focusing on housing but they've i arrived they've already done a ton of stuff on

[0:55:00] Voice 8: housing in fact they might have a housing action plan ready to go because of the four years that

[0:55:05] Voice 8: they did on a project that didn't move forward so

[0:55:08] Voice 1: that with that project is basically housing apc

[0:55:11] Voice 1: where should what should we do you've got this great report that that had all of this community

[0:55:17] Voice 1: community involvement over a four-year period um you know let us know like what we're you know so

[0:55:24] Voice 1: depending on where the community's at that's where you know these are templates but again

[0:55:28] Voice 1: each community is different so you might be somewhere different in that process you may

[0:55:31] Voice 1: want

[0:55:32] Voice 8: to change the

[0:55:32] Voice 5: process a little bit i just heard nurse make a pledge for the apc if you

[0:55:35] Voice 5: haven't already submitted an application no but it's because of our major projects going to be

[0:55:42] Voice 5: housing it's going to be largely like housing integrated with like this layers of data so it's

[0:55:48] Voice 5: going to be pretty heavily focused on that

[0:55:50] Voice 4: but it still comes down to times of yes so how long

[0:55:53] Voice 3: we've been doing three four years now that i've been housing now i think oh four years ago that

[0:55:59] Voice 3: i attended one and to do with the group about housing the funding is coming out now and unless

[0:56:06] Voice 3: we've got it all together we're going to keep needing new updates because the government's

[0:56:11] Voice 3: they keep coming out with new criteria, so they want to talk.

[0:56:15] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:56:17] Voice 4: So you're talking, a lot of us

[0:56:19] Voice 3: here are on the same housing board.

[0:56:20] Voice 4: For me, I've been on the housing board for seven years.

[0:56:23] Voice 4: I've seen a lot of reports and stuff.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: That was my only reason for the question.

[0:56:27] Voice 4: It's like, we just keep going over new assessments every couple of years.

[0:56:31] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:56:31] Voice 4: We don't have the tool kit.

[0:56:35] Voice 7: We're not the community,

[0:56:36] Voice 8: but we're a board

[0:56:36] Voice 7: that we think.

[0:56:37] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:56:38] Voice 7: yeah and

[0:56:39] Voice 8: i'll say i i totally hear you and we we heard a very similar thing on denman

[0:56:43] Voice 8: um this initial report is critical even though you feel like you you know done it all you don't

[0:56:50] Voice 8: need another report this one just brings it all together um and the other advantage of that is

[0:56:55] Voice 8: like planner leaves another planner comes in everything is there for them right because

[0:57:03] Voice 8: because even though you're all doing great things in the community

[0:57:07] Voice 1: uh we have a process that we're

[0:57:09] Voice 1: trying to do and help and so it really helps to to maintain consistency

[0:57:14] Voice 8: through the process as well

[0:57:15] Voice 8: so and

[0:57:16] Voice 5: and i know that the word process and the word plan and the word you know like all these

[0:57:21] Voice 5: like planning related frankly and nothing personal but very bureaucratic sounding words are like in

[0:57:27] Voice 5: in play here i feel that too even being a trustee frankly that there is like it's a very slow um sort

[0:57:34] Voice 5: of stepping stone issue some of that's legal about like how much notice we have to go how much

[0:57:41] Voice 5: community conversations we have to have that kind of thing some of it's just moving on that one

[0:57:46] Voice 5: focused effort which hasn't been done in this lp well we just need permission

[0:57:50] Voice 4: we're doing the plan

[0:57:54] Voice 8: if i can say something we just want to build six houses yeah on

[0:58:00] Voice 8: property that as far as we're

[0:58:02] Voice 8: concerned is zoned for it where i came here to discuss the apparent rezoning which i don't

[0:58:11] Voice 8: believe is anything at all what we're doing and i found that we're at the back of the bus

[0:58:16] Voice 8: that's the last thing we're talking about and we're going to be i i just uh so we're getting

[0:58:25] Voice 8: kind of burned out here trying from every level of government trying to get funding

[0:58:31] Voice 8: trying to get approvals trying to do something that is really realistic and sensible and we can't

[0:58:38] Voice 8: just can't get it

[0:58:40] Voice 1: i totally hear you absolutely and it's it's also frustrating for me on this

[0:58:44] Voice 1: site as well because

[0:58:45] Voice 8: i'm sure that i love this point yeah nervous and what we want to do is get

[0:58:49] Voice 8: these six bills so we can get to a project where we can we've got everything in place and we just

[0:58:57] Voice 8: but if we can't do this who the heck are we to say we're gonna be able to do something that

[0:59:04] Voice 8: you know because that would utilize this information we we will never get there we're just

[0:59:13] Voice 5: yeah and that's very frustrating yeah and i think your point is that the agenda itself uh sorry i

[0:59:18] Voice 5: wasn't here at the very beginning it was the wrong hall um but the um really we should have flipped

[0:59:25] Voice 5: that agenda item to bring your piece up to the front just to have a conversation get it out of

[0:59:30] Voice 5: the way and move on right yeah

[0:59:32] Voice 7: that's

[0:59:33] Voice 5: what should have been done when the agenda was approved just

[0:59:35] Voice 5: totally because i agree with you like we're talking about a broad scoping housing project

[0:59:40] Voice 5: but there i can see there's like five or six people here specific around the country

[0:59:44] Voice 5: but also

[0:59:45] Voice 8: i mean we i i agree this is amazing this is a you know we need the things that we need are

[0:59:54] Voice 8: just like we need it so badly as you know everywhere sleeping in cars sleeping in tents

[1:00:00] Voice 8: it's not badly needed and and the next step is i don't know how many people on the island say we

[1:00:09] Voice 8: need maybe 30 maybe 40 minutes and that's the sort of thing where you know we shouldn't go ahead

[1:00:15] Voice 8: without this kind of information and knowledge but as i say that that's why we came today

[1:00:23] Trustee Maude (probable): we can let planet channel finish up with your presentation we'll flip the agenda around and

[1:00:30] Trustee Maude (probable): deal with the country court thing next and then take our break because if people have to leave

[1:00:37] Trustee Maude (probable): i think just as a people i'm

[1:00:38] Voice 1: almost finished yeah i'm pretty much finished

[1:00:41] Voice 1: i mean the

[1:00:42] Trustee Maude (probable): question is an agreement with that weekend yeah

[1:00:44] Voice 5: yeah i think that might be helpful

[1:00:46] Voice 5: and i think there's a route in conversation thinking about ours we're going to go back

[1:00:50] Voice 5: and forth in your slides probably yeah yeah

[1:00:51] Voice 1: yeah yeah yeah like i said i'm pretty much finished

[1:00:55] Voice 1: i pretty much told you all the things that i have on this slide um around the main process that we

[1:01:00] Voice 1: landed on that flexible housing that that was sort of like sort of like a first project and

[1:01:05] Voice 1: the rest of our things we're looking at their options being looking at all the other options

[1:01:09] Voice 1: at this point in time the work that they've done ahead of time was really nice timing to be able

[1:01:14] Voice 1: to apply for the funding and i think one of the things that one of the great things that's

[1:01:18] Voice 1: happening with that is the relationship that we've developed with the crd justine stark in particular

[1:01:23] Voice 1: She's been working very hard on a rural housing plan for the electoral areas.

[1:01:34] Voice 1: Because of the potential of this funding, the Southern Gulf Islands is being looked at as the pilot for this rural housing initiative,

[1:01:46] Voice 1: and Maine Islands specifically being the pilot of the pilot.

[1:01:50] Voice 1: So if the funding comes through, we will be able to work with them very effectively.

[1:01:55] Voice 1: They'll be they'll be developing a program, an incentive program for accessory dwelling units and also to support nonprofits in some of their work as well.

[1:02:07] Voice 1: So that's all. So if we get this funding, it'll be quite significant opportunity to launch this world housing project,

[1:02:14] Voice 1: project, with Maine being the pilot of the pilot and Southern Gulf Islands being the

[1:02:19] Voice 1: next ones to follow.

[1:02:22] Voice 8: And that's pretty much the end of my, well,

[1:02:27] Voice 1: I guess, yeah, next

[1:02:28] Voice 8: steps for PENDER.

[1:02:29] Voice 8: These are the next steps in this kind of a broad approach.

[1:02:34] Voice 8: Once we've

[1:02:35] Voice 1: got confirmation from press council that it's

[1:02:36] Voice 8: a major project, letter to First

[1:02:39] Voice 8: Nations is important, the initial letter, project term, you know, these are just the

[1:02:43] Voice 8: basic steps, try to try a discussion paper, identifying the options, lots of community

[1:02:48] Voice 8: involvement, you decide how

[1:02:51] Voice 1: you want the community to be involved, and then establish an action plan,

[1:02:57] Voice 8: the action plan related, identify those areas where you can increase the options and move

[1:03:01] Voice 8: forward and make those biological changes. And that's that is the end of my presentation.

[1:03:07] Voice 8: So thank

[1:03:08] Voice 3: you. Thank you very much.

[1:03:12] Trustee Maude (probable): So the trustees will just be worried about the agenda.

[1:03:17] Trustee Maude (probable): So what we'll do is to deal with our secondary zoning thing with 3.1.

[1:03:24] It's dependent on housing society, primary staff and board.

[1:03:32] Voice 8: So I do last meeting you directed

[1:03:34] Voice 2: staff to bring to add this to the agenda so that's

[1:03:37] Voice 2: what we've done.

[1:03:38] Voice 2: It's a consideration of resulting applications submitted by Lumtree court to rezone the property

[1:03:48] Voice 2: to allow for multi-unit dwellings as opposed to the current zoning which

[1:03:53] Voice 8: only allows for

[1:03:53] Voice 8: for two unit dwellings.

[1:03:56] Voice 8: Staff are recommending that you direct staff

[1:04:00] Voice 8: to drop the by-law and we can complete the referrals on that.

[1:04:04] Voice 8: Staff also recommend that you direct the applicant

[1:04:07] Voice 8: to submit water reports to demonstrate proof of water

[1:04:12] Voice 8: and septic viability for development

[1:04:15] Voice 8: of the units they're planning for.

[1:04:18] Voice 8: And

[1:04:18] Voice 2: staff, I just sent you a resolution as well.

[1:04:23] Voice 2: there is an opportunity because the bylaw amendment would be consistent with your official

[1:04:29] Voice 2: community plan the local trust committee could decide to waive the public hearing

[1:04:33] Voice 2: to waive the public hearing first you need to give notice before you give first reading which

[1:04:40] Voice 2: is a little different than typically where you get first reading and then direct staff to

[1:04:46] Voice 2: schedule a public hearing so there is a draft resolution there the bylaw number i don't have

[1:04:53] Voice 2: yet so we can just fill that in when we get to it i'll get that signed by jada jada's next week

[1:04:59] Voice 8: once i have direction to proceed with drafting the bylaw um if you pass that resolution then

[1:05:06] Voice 8: and staff could do notice prior to your next meeting

[1:05:14] Voice 8: so that you could then give first reading,

[1:05:17] Voice 8: or you could give first reading then by RSW.

[1:05:23] Voice 8: You might have to give first reading in the public meeting.

[1:05:26] Voice 8: I think that is how it works for when you're not holding a public hearing.

[1:05:32] Voice 2: Does that make sense?

[1:05:33] Voice 2: How

[1:05:33] Voice 5: many days for notice?

[1:05:35] Voice 2: it's more or less the same notification period that public hearings have it's just telling them

[1:05:41] Voice 8: that you're not holding a public hearing for this my

[1:05:46] Voice 5: understanding of the need is for multiple

[1:05:49] Voice 5: family housing yeah

[1:05:51] Voice 7: the definition is multiple

[1:05:52] Voice 5: yeah because that's the definition in our current

[1:05:56] Voice 5: by-law as opposed to multi-family

[1:05:58] Voice 7: can i get to us um i'm not

[1:06:03] Voice 8: speaking for plumtree but what i've

[1:06:07] Voice 8: done is take a look at this because going back to first principles why you need a zoning application

[1:06:13] Voice 8: and i don't think you do because i understand completely why staff has said that they do because

[1:06:24] Voice 8: it's under

[1:06:24] Voice 4: the section that says permitted use but if you go back to the definition of the use

[1:06:31] Voice 8: it means the purpose or activity for which land or buildings are designed the purpose is community

[1:06:39] Voice 8: housing run by a not-for-profit all you're talking about here is the configuration of

[1:06:46] Voice 3: those dwellings

[1:06:47] Voice 3: So you're not changing the use, you're changing configuration.

[1:06:52] Voice 3: And given that, I think you can change the bylaw without a rezoning application.

[1:07:01] Voice 8: And you can refund with $4,400.

[1:07:05] Voice 7: But, I mean, just going back

[1:07:10] Voice 4: to first principles, I understand where

[1:07:13] Voice 8: the planners are coming from because it's under that section.

[1:07:16] Voice 8: but you're not changing these so this is something to consider so to clarify it's

[1:07:23] Voice 8: under a use section

[1:07:24] Voice 2: of the bylaw so you are changing features you

[1:07:28] Voice 8: could argue but by by

[1:07:31] Voice 2: law that's it and regardless whether you're changing a use a setback number uh citing

[1:07:38] Voice 2: Provision anything would require the same process of bylaw amendments you can't change any by you

[1:07:46] Voice 2: can't make any bylaw amendment whether use density or setting without going through a rezoning

[1:07:52] Voice 2: application i'd also add that i mean i just said to ann uh these the application form to submit

[1:08:01] Voice 2: to get the refund for your application through executive community which is the only uh

[1:08:09] Voice 2: The only way that they can't wait to see they just don't have that power so I hear you.

[1:08:17] Voice 8: I would.

[1:08:19] Voice 8: Three years

[1:08:20] Voice 2: ago, staff, made that clear to country court so there has been

[1:08:26] Voice 2: a lot of time available.

[1:08:28] Trustee Maude (probable): but

[1:08:29] Voice 2: i'm just saying i'm just saying that's what

[1:08:31] Voice 2: it all is if i thought like that

[1:08:33] Voice 2: if i can just

[1:08:35] Voice 2: answer the the three

[1:08:37] Voice 8: years ago the reason that we did

[1:08:38] Voice 8: i

[1:08:39] Voice 5: just want to make sure that we maintain really good conversational standards in our meetings

[1:08:46] Voice 5: so i really want us to not talk over each other and i really would like us to finish our sentences

[1:08:52] Voice 5: Okay. So, on all sides. So, are you finished or do you need to finish?

[1:08:58] Voice 5: I'm done.

[1:08:59] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:09:00] Voice 8: I was just answering to the three years ago, and it's a cycle that we're in where we are told that we have to apply for a rezoning, and we're in the midst of an application to BC Housing where if they hear that we're in the midst of a rezoning, we don't get where we're right off the list.

[1:09:25] Voice 8: were written off right away and everyone tells us don't do that don't try to rezone because you'll

[1:09:33] Voice 8: you'll just you'll be disqualified off the back for any and bc housing money is the only feasible

[1:09:38] Voice 8: way of getting this affordable housing done there's just no other way around it and so

[1:09:44] Voice 8: it's a vicious cycle and that's why when

[1:09:47] Voice 2: we were approached by both counselors and said it said

[1:09:50] Voice 2: it were changed we can get it done without rezoning we said let's do it

[1:09:55] Voice 8: because we've got

[1:09:57] Voice 8: nothing to lose and we can do it without and there's another uh community housing fund application

[1:10:04] Voice 8: coming up november 17th that we're seeing to be in rezoning i

[1:10:09] Voice 2: just have to explain that like i get

[1:10:11] Voice 2: that and i empathize but there's nothing like you have to understand that it's this not a uh it's

[1:10:19] Voice 2: not a recommendation or the opinions with staff it is provincial legislation that requires us to

[1:10:24] Voice 2: go through this process there's no so that's why there's i get it i hear you if i could move it

[1:10:31] Voice 2: faster i would because i like efficiency and effectiveness and i completely understand the

[1:10:36] Voice 2: community rationale for that and for the change and the benefit and the cost reduction and all

[1:10:42] Voice 9: of those things all of that is superfluous to the fact that we can't and that's where it ends

[1:10:54] Voice 9: i think there

[1:10:58] Voice 8: was some discussion too and i don't know that if this helps with that our last meeting

[1:11:02] Voice 8: we were talking about the option to or the ability to send a letter from the local trust committee to

[1:11:12] Voice 8: go with an application that was going to bc housing explaining our position and need to follow

[1:11:22] Voice 8: these steps but that it was something that we were in had were fully in support of of getting

[1:11:28] Voice 8: this finished so that it can move forward and i don't know if that helps you can't do that it

[1:11:34] Voice 8: would be seen as better decision yeah

[1:11:37] Voice 5: so so so the the solution the last time was to add it to

[1:11:43] Voice 5: this meeting so we can make a decision and we can we can enter the rezoning pathway to get it done

[1:11:49] Voice 5: right and that's how we're getting the word changed we're rezoning it without notice hopefully

[1:11:54] Voice 5: with like all these steps so it can be shorter and truncated it will it's not you're not in a

[1:12:00] Voice 5: rezoning process you are like we are making the steps to say here's the next thing and so i guess

[1:12:06] Voice 5: technically you're on the path

[1:12:07] Voice 8: but

[1:12:08] Voice 5: but you have so you have one thing this is this is the fastest

[1:12:15] Voice 5: we can do it is what we're doing okay

[1:12:18] Voice 8: but this is what we've now gone into are we now hooped

[1:12:23] Voice 5: no i don't think so i

[1:12:25] Voice 8: it sounds like we might be because you're asking for water

[1:12:29] Voice 8: proof of water which is we i mean we could just go ahead and do we can get the thing done with

[1:12:35] Voice 8: the zoning we have we're gonna we'll use we'll probably have to cut down some trees a little bit

[1:12:41] Voice 8: they'll we'll create more positions we're gonna use more space we're gonna use more resources to

[1:12:47] Voice 8: get it done but we can do it if we get the funding but if we're in a position now where we're now in

[1:12:54] Voice 8: a rezoning thing because we thought this was a slam dunk it sounds to me like we're screwed

[1:13:01] Voice 5: okay so let's let's process it so we're saying that we because my understanding of what we

[1:13:08] Voice 5: ended up with last time is that we would go ahead and put these motions on the table

[1:13:13] Voice 5: we would come back in november and give them first reading and then they have to go to 60 days right

[1:13:19] Voice 5: for referral and then so they would come back to us in january and we would do second third reading

[1:13:27] Voice 5: whatever that is and then there would be changes in rlcp so that process would mean that the zoning

[1:13:34] Voice 5: is altered at that point right so your full zoning would change officially in whenever that is

[1:13:41] Voice 5: january february um you know and i understand the fettering our you know decision issue

[1:13:50] Voice 5: i'm not fettering it but i can't imagine there's anything that would not make that go all the way

[1:13:57] Voice 5: through our density

[1:13:58] Voice 7: so i

[1:13:59] Voice 5: understand all that so so the only alternative would be something that is

[1:14:05] Voice 5: apparently like a change to the bylaw a request to change the word in the bylaw because we don't

[1:14:14] Voice 5: think it's rezoning and that's the question that that that's what brad is advising us that that is

[1:14:21] Voice 5: not what he sees it and it's what joyce is advising us that she sees it in a different way

[1:14:25] Voice 5: and so i guess that's up to us and we we get challenged based on it or not

[1:14:32] Voice 8: yeah i'm just going to say that i think there's i think there's i i'm curious about the um

[1:14:41] Voice 8: 60 day referral and sort of seeing ways to work with that but in terms of the actual

[1:14:48] Voice 8: need uh legally to do the amendment you can't get around that like that you'll get advice from

[1:14:56] Voice 8: every law firm in bc that every municipality every local government trust it's in its jamming and i

[1:15:04] Voice 8: understand that and it is bettering the discretion to sort of make when the time tonight we'll get

[1:15:11] Voice 8: it all packed shortly or to tell anybody that but that does i've done a lot of work with um

[1:15:18] Voice 8: dc housing and you know there's there there are ways to sort of calm down and so i didn't have to

[1:15:26] Voice 8: be talking about how to spread this needle in a way that just to add to that in my experience

[1:15:35] Voice 8: with visa housing they're not as cut and dry as yes or no they are they are very malleable and

[1:15:43] Voice 8: wanting to work with so if they understand that a rezoning is happening they understand that it's

[1:15:51] Voice 8: a really reasonable and appropriate rezoning and that there will very likely be very little

[1:15:58] Voice 8: community pushback

[1:15:59] Voice 2: my experience on galliano working with them is that they want to try

[1:16:04] Voice 2: to find solutions with community groups like yours where opportunities so i don't think this

[1:16:10] Voice 8: is cut and dried as like you're not ready by november 17th they're just going to move on

[1:16:14] Voice 8: i think i could

[1:16:16] Voice 2: initiate conversations with pc

[1:16:18] Voice 2: housing and staff could help to connect you

[1:16:19] Voice 2: just to have those conversations we can't do any

[1:16:23] Voice 2: planning we've got too many drawings we

[1:16:25] Voice 2: can't do any layouts, can't do any submission,

[1:16:28] Voice 2: and let me know what our zoning is gonna be.

[1:16:31] Voice 2: I would say that we could-

[1:16:32] Voice 2: It's better to stay with the duplexes and-

[1:16:34] Voice 2: I

[1:16:34] Trustee Maude (probable): think to be clear is, you know,

[1:16:36] Trustee Maude (probable): is that we're escalating the process as much as possible.

[1:16:38] Trustee Maude (probable): I believe not flattering anybody is the thing.

[1:16:41] Trustee Maude (probable): You know where we're gonna land.

[1:16:43] Trustee Maude (probable): So you can do all your planning, all your anything.

[1:16:45] Trustee Maude (probable): I would certainly would suggest

[1:16:48] Trustee Maude (probable): you have Mr. Potter all sitting in the back

[1:16:50] Trustee Maude (probable): who's probably the smartest kid in the room

[1:16:52] Trustee Maude (probable): about this process.

[1:16:53] Trustee Maude (probable): and I would

[1:16:55] Trustee Maude (probable): he should become your best friend

[1:16:57] Trustee Maude (probable): because I think he will help you greatly

[1:16:59] Trustee Maude (probable): but we're moving

[1:17:01] Trustee Maude (probable): at lightning speed

[1:17:02] Trustee Maude (probable): and so it's that we're doing our best

[1:17:05] Trustee Maude (probable): and again

[1:17:06] Trustee Maude (probable): we can't fatter

[1:17:08] Trustee Maude (probable): but you're going to get what you want

[1:17:11] Trustee Maude (probable): it's that you're not

[1:17:13] Trustee Maude (probable): going on a limb with your planning

[1:17:15] Trustee Maude (probable): or your drawing or anything

[1:17:16] Trustee Maude (probable): and you're going to get yanked out from underneath you

[1:17:19] Trustee Maude (probable): because it's a pretty simple change

[1:17:22] Trustee Maude (probable): so I can't

[1:17:24] Trustee Maude (probable): see where there's there's there it's not going to be a success at the end of the day but we have to

[1:17:28] Trustee Maude (probable): go through this i

[1:17:30] Voice 8: i'm hearing it it does i understand this but um what when when you say

[1:17:36] Voice 8: that bc housing is flexible when the issue that we've had is we don't even get to the table they

[1:17:42] Voice 8: don't even look at our submission because they will because there's so little money available

[1:17:49] Voice 8: available yeah i'm with you carl but there's there's um there's so little money available

[1:17:57] Voice 8: that they they just there's a what do you call a triage process and if there's any issues

[1:18:04] Voice 8: with your your land or anything you're you're off the table you're not you don't even get

[1:18:11] Voice 8: looked at

[1:18:12] Voice 9: yeah because

[1:18:13] Voice 8: there's so little money to go around with the problem now there may be

[1:18:16] Voice 8: more this time that that would be great but i think if we yes if we get to the table with bc

[1:18:22] Voice 8: housing they would be flexible and amenable i've never had a bad discussion with them but it's just

[1:18:29] Voice 8: it's our fear and every single consultant that's worth this or if you have a question they'll throw

[1:18:37] Voice 8: it'll you just go to the bottom of the pot so that's where our fear comes from we just we we

[1:18:43] Voice 8: We try to stick with our zoning all along

[1:18:47] Voice 8: and not because we just want to get the six units done

[1:18:51] Voice 8: so that we can move on to a better, bigger project

[1:18:54] Voice 8: that fits with these planning principles.

[1:19:00] Voice 5: Yeah, it's a little frustrating

[1:19:01] Voice 5: that this particular word was not flagged for us

[1:19:04] Voice 5: while we're in our behind-the-scenes revision

[1:19:06] Voice 5: because we apparently just went through it

[1:19:08] Voice 5: and it would have been approved

[1:19:09] Voice 5: because we just got approved last week.

[1:19:10] Voice 5: so like it's it's a little frustrating so we

[1:19:14] Voice 5: didn't realize this this one word was the critical

[1:19:17] Voice 5: crux issue at the time is

[1:19:18] Voice 8: it too late to retract this or is this now uh

[1:19:21] Voice 5: no no

[1:19:22] Voice 5: no there's nothing

[1:19:23] Voice 5: in process right now right so

[1:19:25] Voice 5: let so so the question i have for us as elected officials

[1:19:28] Voice 5: um can you i just want y'all to think about this okay so the question i

[1:19:34] Voice 5: have for us

[1:19:35] Voice 5: is and i know what staff is going to advise because that's good advice like from a legal

[1:19:41] Voice 5: perspective but like what is the step that we could take if we say we don't think it's rezone

[1:19:50] Voice 5: like and I understand that legally everyone thinks it's rezoning on the trust opposite but

[1:19:57] Voice 5: like what if we say as a committee we don't think that that we think it's an oversight like in our

[1:20:04] Voice 5: understanding of the the way that word was applied and we want it corrected and we do it as a

[1:20:09] Voice 5: correction like and i understand the legal process i get all that i'm not an idiot when it comes to

[1:20:14] Voice 5: that but what if we just say that um we want to vote for that you know change what what is that

[1:20:21] Voice 5: does that look like do we get legally challenged somewhere and i i know that you're going to answer

[1:20:25] Voice 5: in a particular way probably but i'm just curious what you guys want to i

[1:20:29] Voice 8: would i would wonder what

[1:20:30] Voice 8: the kickback would be to something that gets built out of is

[1:20:38] Voice 9: there a if you make the

[1:20:41] Voice 8: if we

[1:20:43] Voice 8: make the call to change it and they go ahead and start the process does that put them in jeopardy

[1:20:51] Voice 8: does that put you guys in jeopardy with your development i don't know i don't know that

[1:20:58] Voice 8: that legal aspect yeah i

[1:20:59] Voice 10: think i think my

[1:21:00] Voice 8: bigger concern might happen in the next few months

[1:21:04] Voice 8: if it's understood that we're in the process of rezoning right then

[1:21:08] Voice 8: because they might say okay

[1:21:10] Voice 8: this is for two years yeah

[1:21:12] Voice 5: and that's kind of my question like do we go ahead and make a word

[1:21:17] Voice 5: change in our bylaw which i'm sure that there's all sorts of legal no-nos on that and understanding

[1:21:23] Voice 5: that do it and then like knowing that we're not supposed to do that like repair it i don't i don't

[1:21:31] Voice 5: know what to do we can't okay you

[1:21:33] Voice 2: cannot do

[1:21:34] Voice 5: so executively because you get back at us anyway

[1:21:37] Voice 2: like think about that i get it that in your mind this is not a big change but in someone else's

[1:21:45] Voice 2: it could be right yeah is

[1:21:48] Voice 2: the reality and that if you go ahead and change a word without going

[1:21:52] Voice 2: through this due process you could then go ahead and change anything in your bylaw without due

[1:21:56] Voice 2: process and

[1:21:57] Voice 2: so our due process is set up to ensure that as nitpicky as it is every zoning change and

[1:22:05] Voice 2: i'm looking at the local government every zoning bylaw amendment

[1:22:09] Voice 8: either would stop public hearing

[1:22:10] Voice 8: or you cannot hold a public hearing but then you need to go through the process requirements

[1:22:16] Voice 8: and surround notification before

[1:22:19] Voice 2: that we're not going to what would be i mean i guess you could

[1:22:25] Voice 2: potentially direct staff to not undertake referrals but then imagine the space you're in

[1:22:29] Voice 2: in three months from now where you have changed your bylaw and first nations come back and say

[1:22:34] Voice 2: you didn't even tell us about this so there has to be some due process timeline built in staff are

[1:22:41] Voice 2: doing everything you can to make it as quick as possible including putting this on the agenda

[1:22:45] Voice 2: end of the day and putting a one-page preliminary report in front of you instead of what's typically

[1:22:49] Voice 2: a 15-page preliminary report yeah so

[1:22:52] Voice 5: and i'm not actually questioning your word brad i'm okay i i'm

[1:22:57] Voice 5: i'm i'm trying to understand the the thing and to try and also help i'm

[1:23:02] Voice 2: not saying your question

[1:23:03] Voice 2: my work i'm just

[1:23:04] Voice 2: making it really clear that due process and adherence to the local government act

[1:23:11] Voice 2: is uh it's it's there's nothing there's no other pathway to circumvent that and

[1:23:20] Voice 5: let me just finish

[1:23:21] Voice 5: that sentence so i also am trying to make sure that everybody in the room understands the legal

[1:23:26] Voice 5: constraints we're in so because we've been getting feedback around this right because of this

[1:23:32] Voice 5: situation of due process and we're trying to understand how to work with you and get what you

[1:23:38] Voice 5: you need but at the same time like being constrained because we can't just wave a

[1:23:43] Voice 5: magic wand and do everything we need and so and understandably because like boy when you all hate

[1:23:50] Voice 5: that if i did everything i wanted in all right so yeah and

[1:23:55] Voice 8: we're not we don't want to retract it

[1:23:57] Voice 5: just yet

[1:23:57] Voice 8: we don't want to stop the process just yet i think we need to take all this

[1:24:03] Voice 8: in and talk

[1:24:03] Voice 8: as a group yeah as a as our board yeah well i

[1:24:10] Voice 5: think it's worth it for us to take a next step

[1:24:12] Voice 5: here because we don't want to be another month behind so if we can take a step here to whatever

[1:24:18] Voice 5: the next motion is to move it one step forward so that in november for that

[1:24:24] Trustee Maude (probable): i think that's the

[1:24:25] Trustee Maude (probable): right move right now for

[1:24:26] Trustee Maude (probable): that don't move back to this that's up

[1:24:33] Voice 9: there's a very very simple question why we have a house to build a 300 000 square foot unit

[1:24:41] Voice 9: you probably can't three hundred thousand dollar units probably can't do it carrying costs of that

[1:24:49] Voice 9: alone is fifteen hundred dollars a month that's not going to be

[1:24:52] Voice 8: affordable we can't do it the

[1:24:54] Voice 8: processes that are law we're not supposed to talk down to

[1:24:58] Voice 9: each other remember soon as somebody

[1:25:00] Voice 9: started telling me the law they're talking about but i'm gonna stop doing that today

[1:25:07] Voice 9: not appreciated the point is these processes are having immeasurable costs beginning out

[1:25:17] Voice 8: but to

[1:25:23] Trustee Maude (probable): be clear nobody is talking down to anybody it is we have to impart information

[1:25:30] Trustee Maude (probable): and part of it is that we have a legal process that we have to follow so when staff say that's

[1:25:36] Trustee Maude (probable): what we have to do that's informing the local trust committee like communication comes to the

[1:25:41] chair so when pattern smith is speaking he's speaking to me and you're hearing him and so

[1:25:48] when he's giving us advice

[1:25:50] Trustee Maude (probable): that's it's that if he doesn't speak like that he's not doing his job

[1:25:55] Trustee Maude (probable): and

[1:25:56] Voice 5: i also want to just add that it's not that we don't want to do this as a community it's that we

[1:26:02] Voice 5: need to be we need to have something in front of us to figure out what the things we have to do

[1:26:06] Voice 5: right so and and part of the move in launching a housing project and granted that is locked up in

[1:26:15] Voice 5: this whole like trust council cycle that i'm also working on trying to get resolved because that's

[1:26:19] Voice 5: like the fact that we have to wait till april for a budget to continue i don't even get to go on

[1:26:24] Voice 5: on that so but like we launched that to try and get ahead of this for the next like times that

[1:26:30] Voice 5: this happens so that we actually have the zoning in place and we're not one whack-a-mole zoning

[1:26:35] Voice 5: this like this so and you know it's just unfortunate that we didn't catch this when we

[1:26:41] Voice 5: were going through the last like over our team that review because we would have probably caught

[1:26:44] Voice 5: it and put it in so okay let's take a step can we so i'm there's i have multiple emails i think

[1:26:53] Voice 5: and i'm not sure which one that is well

[1:26:55] Trustee Maude (probable): we have we have the original motion um the local uh north

[1:26:59] Trustee Maude (probable): kender local trust can direct staff from receiving applications rz 2023.1 uh and that's a society to

[1:27:07] Trustee Maude (probable): prepare that file and i'm prepared to move that okay

[1:27:11] Voice 7: so

[1:27:12] Trustee Maude (probable): seconded mr morrison any discussion on

[1:27:16] Trustee Maude (probable): that call the question i'm on favor that carries okay and clarence smith is something that

[1:27:24] Trustee Maude (probable): suggested motion.

[1:27:26] Voice 5: Yes, this is the one about the not holding the public hearing.

[1:27:29] Voice 9: Right? Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what it's trying to do. My

[1:27:44] Voice 9: understanding is that you have to give

[1:27:45] Voice 8: notification prior to giving first

[1:27:48] Voice 8: reading of the bylaw that you're not going to hold a public hearing. So if you

[1:27:56] Voice 9: want to public hearing and you're not hold a public hearing, you could

[1:28:13] Voice 9: I think

[1:28:14] Voice 2: it'd be better to come back by RWM, but the notion would be to authorize you to

[1:28:22] Voice 2: give first reading prior to your next meeting so that we can send out those notices so that

[1:28:30] Voice 2: at your next meeting you can give second and third reading,

[1:28:33] Voice 8: which has to occur in a public

[1:28:35] Voice 8: meeting, and then you could be at the point where you could go to executive committee

[1:28:39] Voice 8: after your meeting agenda and then shortly after that the

[1:28:44] Voice 8: protected activity improves i would say

[1:28:46] Voice 8: potentially by the end of february you could be in the place where this rezoning process is okay

[1:28:54] Voice 5: so can i recap just to make sure i understand what you're suggesting so you're suggesting that

[1:29:00] Voice 5: um you send out a request without meaning motion that is basically this motion but you'll just

[1:29:06] Voice 5: check it make sure

[1:29:07] Voice 2: this one right

[1:29:07] Voice 5: okay and the motion is to uh to hold to

[1:29:12] Voice 8: not hold a public

[1:29:13] Voice 8: hearing on this application yeah um before

[1:29:18] Voice 5: first reading yeah

[1:29:20] Voice 8: well i think it would be period

[1:29:22] Voice 8: to give first reading by rw so

[1:29:26] Voice 5: there would be two different motions i think that would be coming to

[1:29:29] Voice 5: us one would be to not sharing and

[1:29:32] Voice 2: one notice of not

[1:29:33] Voice 5: holding yeah and what that would do is it

[1:29:35] Voice 5: would get us to the point in november where we could do no not november it would go and then

[1:29:41] Voice 5: yeah

[1:29:41] Voice 7: and

[1:29:45] Voice 5: then as soon as the that would potentially bring us a little bit further forward

[1:29:49] Voice 5: in getting it done

[1:29:50] Voice 4: sorry the resolution you just agreed to was just to change

[1:29:54] Voice 4: change to family. Yeah, so that's it.

[1:30:00] Voice 4: okay yeah okay i just wanted to make sure it's multiple yes well that's

[1:30:08] Voice 5: that's to get it moving

[1:30:09] Voice 5: yeah so

[1:30:10] Voice 5: now we're just trying to figure out what's the next step to get it moving as fast

[1:30:13] Voice 5: as

[1:30:14] Trustee Maude (probable): possible basically is the question it sounds like a second third reading in january

[1:30:19] Voice 5: but it's october right now january january

[1:30:25] Trustee Maude (probable): so that's as fast as this can really possibly

[1:30:30] Voice 8: happen okay and

[1:30:31] Voice 8: i will i will make a note to

[1:30:33] Voice 8: come back with real clarification and see obviously our agreement without seeing any

[1:30:39] Voice 8: discussion in this class the best word of resolution because second and third reading

[1:30:47] Voice 8: has to be in the public world correct can't give second and third reading to any bylaw

[1:30:52] Voice 8: and then uh so

[1:30:55] Voice 3: the

[1:30:57] Voice 5: only way to move that password could be to a special meeting

[1:31:01] Voice 5: it could be a zoom meeting that we could do earlier as soon as we like once we know when

[1:31:07] Voice 5: the referral date end date is we could do a special meeting by zoom just for this one issue

[1:31:14] Trustee Maude (probable): just to ask uh we don't have our 2024 schedule set up yet do we

[1:31:22] Trustee Maude (probable): so so it'll be a draft schedule on your next

[1:31:26] Voice 8: meeting agenda based on

[1:31:28] Voice 8: the 63 that you

[1:31:29] Voice 8: determined but i

[1:31:30] Trustee Maude (probable): would suggest that maybe we can look at the january meeting

[1:31:33] Trustee Maude (probable): being as early in

[1:31:34] Trustee Maude (probable): january as possible sorry

[1:31:38] Voice 9: go ahead i'm just

[1:31:39] Voice 8: wondering if there's a way to start the process

[1:31:41] Voice 8: to get the 60 days going yeah

[1:31:44] Voice 5: the rest of those days to your resolutions as soon

[1:31:47] Voice 5: as we do these

[1:31:47] Voice 5: resolutions when we have them we can get going

[1:31:49] Voice 8: that could be funny tuesday so i will drop the

[1:31:52] Voice 8: bylaw which will be really easy and then jazz will send it out yeah yeah yes so yeah

[1:31:58] Voice 5: that's

[1:31:58] Voice 5: pretty fast so you basically we could even get it in in december if it is

[1:32:02] Voice 5: possible but that would

[1:32:03] Voice 5: have to be a special thing okay thank you and i know we're doing like logistics and and i i just

[1:32:10] Voice 5: want to name something that i know is a bit of attention you guys are doing amazing work upon

[1:32:16] Voice 5: voluntary court okay i just generally in the housing side you're doing amazing work and the

[1:32:20] Voice 5: because it's a community organization there's been different shifts over time it's it it causes a

[1:32:26] Voice 5: little bit of like the challenge with like who's heard what and when we get you know details so i

[1:32:32] Voice 5: think that's where we're getting miscommunication and what needed to happen and i didn't i was not

[1:32:37] Voice 5: aware of all of it along the way so that's my fault too because i'm like a carryover trustee

[1:32:41] Voice 5: i should have been a little bit more aware of this for some reason i wasn't

[1:32:44] Voice 4: aware that we had

[1:32:45] Voice 4: contacted

[1:32:46] Voice 5: with us yeah so yeah so from my perspective just like acknowledging that that

[1:32:52] Voice 5: is something that like it feels like it's fallen through the cracks in the last three years it

[1:32:55] Voice 5: could have gotten remedied but hopefully this is a fast remedy for it

[1:32:59] Trustee Maude (probable): but in all cases mr

[1:33:03] Trustee Maude (probable): boros did a very generous offer we've known how about four years we've been with each other for

[1:33:09] Trustee Maude (probable): a long time we don't need

[1:33:10] Trustee Maude (probable): to he hasn't eaten we

[1:33:11] Voice 7: don't know if

[1:33:12] Trustee Maude (probable): he's a very valuable person

[1:33:17] Voice 7: you know what

[1:33:22] Voice 8: i saw this afternoon was that the local trust community is accelerating the process

[1:33:30] Voice 8: and and that's not bettering anybody's discretion and and you know you miss driving you can talk to

[1:33:37] Voice 8: at bc house and others like there's an anomaly we're dealing with it on an accelerated basis

[1:33:42] Voice 8: oh my god they give it an example they waive the public hearing requirement well they're

[1:33:48] Voice 8: going to react and say holy smokes

[1:33:49] Voice 2: they the trust

[1:33:51] Voice 8: really wants to deal with this quickly and you

[1:33:54] Voice 8: know you can't federate they know you can't have your discretion but they also can look

[1:34:00] Voice 8: at the indicators of how and the other thing is on the referrals

[1:34:07] Voice 8: 60 days you have to have the 60 days but you're waiting for a response

[1:34:16] Voice 8: you get the rewards 10 days 15 days and there's ways to approach that so

[1:34:22] Voice 8: and i'm happy to help out a bit thank

[1:34:24] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much so that's been that sort of brings

[1:34:27] Trustee Maude (probable): some sort of inclusion we have direction all that thank you very much everybody thank

[1:34:33] Voice 5: you all for

[1:34:34] Voice 5: getting that application in too i know it must have been a bit of a date to get that in so thank

[1:34:37] Voice 5: you all for that and

[1:34:38] Trustee Maude (probable): get your application in the way of the thesis get that application away

[1:34:43] Trustee Maude (probable): all

[1:34:43] Voice 7: right so

[1:34:47] Trustee Maude (probable): do we want to take a brief break or do you want to move on

[1:34:58] Voice 8: we'll

[1:34:58] Trustee Maude (probable): turn it back to kind of chat

[1:34:59] Voice 8: i need to visit the wall okay then

[1:35:02] Trustee Maude (probable): we're gonna have a

[1:35:02] Trustee Maude (probable): five-minute break all

[1:45:25] Voice 9: right well

[1:46:03] Trustee Maude (probable): we'll turn it back over to kind of chat

[1:46:07] Trustee Maude (probable): the next portion of the show

[1:46:20] Voice 9: we don't have any more slides

[1:46:23] Voice 8: so um so yeah uh and i was like kind of had a conversation you could also ask some questions

[1:46:30] Voice 8: about other things you've heard as well um it's fairly open we've we've sort of put a few

[1:46:37] Voice 8: seated questions here like there's some basic questions that um that i think are important to

[1:46:42] Voice 8: kind of understand um and i think these are things that will also be put together for the community

[1:46:48] Voice 8: is um you know what has been revealed in some of the other projects that i've been doing is that

[1:46:54] Voice 8: there are there's some work or research that's been done um that uh you know that didn't cross

[1:47:01] Voice 8: across our radar and so if there's if there are is that information or do you know people like if

[1:47:08] Voice 8: if you want to share with us what there might be that we should look into further you may want to

[1:47:13] Voice 8: just

[1:47:13] Voice 1: keep keep that in your mind if you know folks that might have done some work like we know like

[1:47:20] Voice 1: on Gabriola for example there's like it's a bigger community there's a

[1:47:24] Voice 8: lot of community

[1:47:25] Voice 8: organizations that are doing their own their own research in different ways and so

[1:47:31] Voice 8: our process with that with Gabriel is trying to bring that information together so again we know

[1:47:37] Voice 8: that there may be information so please share that I don't see any hands going up so I don't know if

[1:47:42] Voice 8: there's anything that's on the phone in particular related to existing information that we may not be

[1:47:47] Voice 8: aware of but well then so we can move into the other kind of more meaty questions around needs

[1:47:57] Voice 8: needs. So, like Planner Smith had indicated, this is an opportunity to maybe just kind

[1:48:05] Voice 8: of initiate that conversation, like a conversation that will continue for many months to come

[1:48:13] Voice 8: and eventually end up at an action plan over the course of time. This is the time to start

[1:48:28] Voice 8: Like, what are the community needs that you're seeing?

[1:48:32] Voice 8: And, you know, we've got a very active housing organization.

[1:48:39] Voice 7: I

[1:48:39] Voice 8: guess they're all, yeah, that are, you know, that I've seen ways to address that need.

[1:48:45] Voice 8: So you're

[1:48:46] Voice 3: asking right now

[1:48:46] Voice 8: about the need?

[1:48:49] Voice 8: Yeah, yeah, this is what...

[1:48:50] Voice 3: I'm trying to keep it really short.

[1:48:53] Voice 3: Oh,

[1:48:53] Voice 8: go for it.

[1:48:53] Voice 8: Words are great.

[1:48:54] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:48:55] Voice 8: Yeah, at

[1:48:55] Voice 3: least two years ago, I started going to these meetings.

[1:48:59] Voice 3: In fall of

[1:49:00] Voice 3: 2020, I moved out of my home to be closer to my husband.

[1:49:02] Voice 3: We moved along from here over in Duncan.

[1:49:05] Voice 3: I rented out my house.

[1:49:07] Voice 3: The expectation for the doctors was that he'd live five to ten years.

[1:49:10] Voice 5: That was kind of the expectation when the renter and I made our agreement.

[1:49:14] Voice 3: I

[1:49:14] Voice 5: couldn't back him.

[1:49:15] Voice 5: He died.

[1:49:15] Voice 5: He died four and a half months later because she and her sons had taken him.

[1:49:19] Voice 3: It took a lot for them to be able to do it.

[1:49:21] Voice 3: I didn't want them to move out.

[1:49:23] Voice 3: So I went RV.

[1:49:25] Voice 3: two RVs. I thought I could just go RVing for a while. It's been three years.

[1:49:31] Voice 5: I've been hoping

[1:49:32] Voice 5: something was going to happen. I'm willing to put somewhere between $100,000 to $200,000 into a

[1:49:36] Voice 5: vestibular tiny home,

[1:49:38] Voice 3: a carriage house, something above a garage, anything on my property. I have

[1:49:42] Voice 3: almost a half an acre. I do have a room to do that. And this process

[1:49:46] Voice 5: has been so slow. Now I'm

[1:49:48] Voice 5: on the waiting list for a hip replacement. You can't convince doctors to give you some kind of

[1:49:52] Voice 5: timeline beyond my search it said six months eight months ten months to a year and a half

[1:49:56] Voice 5: and you can't

[1:49:58] Voice 3: really book an rv place in winter time on the island with every small bird in the

[1:50:02] Voice 3: country wants to be in the same place without having some idea when that's going to be so i

[1:50:08] Voice 3: asked an inventor five months ago to move out and she's leaving again this month she hasn't been

[1:50:14] Voice 3: able to find a place that was good enough for her son so she's going into short-term rental

[1:50:19] Voice 3: I think it's only been for six to nine months so you just better than what she had left which was

[1:50:24] Voice 3: two weeks so um you know the willingness is there I have the money I have the willingness

[1:50:33] Voice 3: but this has been so strong and she's a really highly regarded member of this community she

[1:50:39] Voice 3: doesn't want to move on in there but if she can't find something a little bit more long-term for her

[1:50:45] Voice 3: her sons she'll be going elsewhere and there are so many people like that we're not talking about

[1:50:51] Voice 3: homeless or people without jobs we're talking about people that are part of the community

[1:50:55] Voice 3: she was she spent i don't know 20 of her years here at least and she didn't have to do it so

[1:51:02] Voice 3: that's my story things have to start happening this is there's lots of people that don't know

[1:51:09] Voice 3: i do have the money to have a will it's up to you

[1:51:12] Voice 9: guys to make it happen for us thank you

[1:51:19] Voice 9: so what

[1:51:20] Voice 8: in your situation what would you see as the situation

[1:51:25] Voice 8: i

[1:51:25] Voice 4: would continue to rent my house to someone like her okay because it's actually too big for me

[1:51:31] Voice 4: since my husband's home um it's uh 16

[1:51:35] Voice 3: to 17.8 so i would probably put something between that

[1:51:39] Voice 3: probably about 1,000 square feet, the most I would need, if not less, probably close to

[1:51:43] Voice 3: 800 at

[1:51:45] Voice 4: most

[1:51:46] Voice 3: on my property, probably a tiny one that would be about 800 square feet. So that

[1:51:53] Voice 3: might involve either an actual tiny home, which I would have to consider because it's

[1:51:58] Voice 3: the biggest family. It would be containers that would not look like containers, but

[1:52:03] Voice 3: you know, a good list goes out. Or a

[1:52:06] Voice 3: carriage house or something above the garage. But

[1:52:09] Voice 3: But, you know, I've actually even looked at different options seriously, but I can't go much further than that without knowing that there's going to be something in place.

[1:52:18] Voice 3: I would even live in an RV and talk to CRD about it on my property, but

[1:52:23] Voice 5: I'd have to have it in that case.

[1:52:25] Voice 5: I'd probably have to have it framed in. I would want to put a proper pad down. I've

[1:52:29] Voice 3: got to look up the infrastructure.

[1:52:30] Voice 3: That's a lot of money. And they admitted to me that, yes, it may be moving in the way at this point in time of RVs, but that could change.

[1:52:38] Voice 3: So I was spending that money and have to pull it out. It's a long term solution for me.

[1:52:44] Voice 3: So a long term solution for me would be another permanent residence.

[1:52:49] Voice 3: However, having lived in the Army for three years, I can tell you that you can set up a place to where

[1:52:56] Voice 3: I use less than 60 gallons every 10 days because what goes in has to go out.

[1:53:03] Voice 3: And I got my tanks. Each one's 30 gallons every 10 days.

[1:53:09] Voice 3: so we can set up your infrastructure so you're not using a lot of of the water and i'd probably

[1:53:19] Voice 8: it's just helpful for us to hear when you say that the process is too slow what what are you

[1:53:27] Voice 8: wanting to do so that we know where the pro the process is

[1:53:38] Voice 3: I don't have any idea what it is now, but from what I understand, it can take quite a while.

[1:53:50] Voice 3: And then, of course, the crew starts.

[1:53:54] Voice 8: Yeah, I would just say, like, in this instance, like, given where Viola's at, it would be a rezoning.

[1:53:59] Voice 8: The opportunity, though, is that we have a model rezoning for flexible housing.

[1:54:06] Voice 8: This is exactly, exactly the kind of example where the flexible housing that we've now got on main island in the pilot area would allow.

[1:54:18] Voice 8: So basically what would be written in the zoning would be a map. It would allow for a maximum combined search for area of the 2 buildings, and so it may allow for your building.

[1:54:32] Voice 8: So one option consider is is a rezoning to a flexible housing.

[1:54:39] Voice 8: type zoning like i said like you have the model on name so if the local trust committee was

[1:54:45] Voice 8: interested in having a look at that kind of an opportunity um it's it still would be a rezoning

[1:54:51] Voice 8: process that you have to go through in that space or that process um you know there are

[1:54:56] Voice 8: there are steps related to that so

[1:54:59] Voice 3: when you're talking about rezoning first we have to do a

[1:55:06] Voice 5: So, so my understanding of this and I also have something to add to that because there's a okay so a couple things for what you just said what what my understanding would be is that we put different types of like potential zoning, like in an area like so that you could say, like with the flexible house housing, for instance, that you could say, you know, x square footage on this size of lot, but it could be divided into multiple buildings.

[1:55:31] Voice 5: yeah

[1:55:32] Voice 8: so i mean what we're looking for looking at in this specific example would be a site-specific

[1:55:38] Voice 8: rezoning so i'm assuming

[1:55:40] Voice 8: the bylaws at this point don't allow you to have

[1:55:42] Voice 8: and so your um your rb would be considered i mean again i'd have to look at it no it's better but

[1:55:50] Voice 8: in the main item's case they're all different right an rb is considered to be an additional

[1:55:54] Voice 8: right so so not here oh

[1:55:58] Voice 7: we have an

[1:55:58] Voice 8: rv it's not here

[1:55:59] Voice 7: unless it's up you

[1:56:00] Voice 8: can't unless oh you know

[1:56:01] Voice 8: you can't live in an rv yeah so yes your rv may be maybe more of a challenge um but but to build

[1:56:09] Voice 8: a smaller unit you would have to go through a it would have to be a resilient for your particular

[1:56:14] Voice 8: um parcel and um i mean right now

[1:56:18] Voice 8: huh

[1:56:19] Voice 5: right now right now oh i'm talking about in the future

[1:56:22] Voice 5: So in the future,

[1:56:23] Voice 8: if, for example, and I don't know where the location is or how the, we don't know anything about the future, you

[1:56:30] Voice 3: can't even ask for the building now, but according to the TAP

[1:56:35] Voice 7: by-law, you're not permitted to live in another structure on your property.

[1:56:41] Voice 8: In an accessory building, right? That is not a...

[1:56:44] Voice 3: It

[1:56:45] Voice 8: has to be a minimum of three acres.

[1:56:47] Voice 4: That's right. It has to be a minimum of three acres in

[1:56:50] Voice 7: order to live in an accessory building.

[1:56:52] Voice 8: So I think, again, I mean, I don't know that I'm going to look into it and see what the OCP says.

[1:56:58] Voice 8: If it's something that would require an OCP change, if the OCP is where that is specified, what kind of density can have a smaller lot, then it becomes a much more difficult.

[1:57:09] Voice 5: And that's why I'm saying there's more than one entity in this case.

[1:57:14] Voice 5: which is what i'm saying like the i think the flexible housing option gets it goes in a

[1:57:19] Voice 5: different direction from that from my understanding of it is that it it creates a sort of grouping of

[1:57:26] Voice 5: different options depending where like and that's one of the reasons in the lub we actually i think

[1:57:32] Voice 5: it's called r2 now there's like an r1 and r2 so we separate separated magic lake into a different

[1:57:37] Voice 5: zone in bubble yeah exactly because those are the half acre generally speaking those are the

[1:57:42] Voice 5: half acre lots and then there's just some different constraints in there there's a homeowner's

[1:57:47] Voice 5: association there's a bunch of different things so we separate it into a different bubble so if

[1:57:51] Voice 5: you start applying flexible housing options you can apply

[1:57:54] Voice 5: them to that bubble or you can apply

[1:57:56] Voice 5: them to the other areas of residential zoning on pender so you can actually have options that work

[1:58:02] Voice 5: for magic lake if the density and magic lake or options that work in other places you're saying

[1:58:06] Voice 5: without having to change that would

[1:58:08] Voice 8: be my goal

[1:58:08] Voice 5: i don't know is that

[1:58:09] Voice 8: again i mean you're moving

[1:58:11] Voice 8: moving into this housing project allows you to look at all of the options to you know to address

[1:58:18] Voice 8: the challenges right so there are ways to address some of these challenges but but uh and and you

[1:58:26] Voice 8: you've opened up the opportunity to look at all of those options and so the option may or may not

[1:58:32] Voice 8: you know they may or not may not be suitable to this specific case again look at the location

[1:58:38] Voice 8: all of that sort of thing you're magically you know the CRD system I mean there's a lot of things

[1:58:43] Voice 8: to be considered in that um if you were going to do a sort of part launch um you know there'll be

[1:58:49] Voice 8: a lot of things to think through um um and again I'm not familiar with the with the the

[1:58:59] Voice 8: OCP and LUB well not very clear at all so you can't make comments on what what you know what

[1:59:07] Voice 8: you know what policies you need to change to facilitate that or if you have to make any

[1:59:11] Voice 8: closest policy but as it stands right now that that would be a that would be

[1:59:17] Voice 5: so

[1:59:17] Voice 8: my

[1:59:18] Voice 5: goal would be so i have a need i have a need to have less bureaucracy when people

[1:59:23] Voice 5: uh less steps so that we don't have to do an ocp amendment like this for housing related shifts

[1:59:30] Voice 5: that are in our general plan of web housing.

[1:59:33] Voice 5: So whatever project we'll run, totally.

[1:59:35] Voice 5: So that would be a need that I would see,

[1:59:38] Voice 5: so that we can actually get it into a way

[1:59:40] Voice 5: where people have options to make things work

[1:59:42] Voice 5: and then that they can automatically work with programs.

[1:59:45] Voice 5: So like, for instance, in our secondary suites,

[1:59:48] Voice 5: secondary suites are currently allowed in Magic Lake,

[1:59:52] Voice 5: but they're underbuilt

[1:59:53] Voice 5: because there's just no real incentive, I think.

[1:59:56] Voice 5: Well, let me see, there's a new page where

[1:59:58] Voice 8: you can look at,

[1:59:58] Voice 8: Well, I'm a secondary sweep, so.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: allowed you don't have a secondary suite if you have a secondary suite yeah

[2:00:03] Voice 3: again

[2:00:05] Voice 8: i'm just using

[2:00:06] Voice 8: it as an example right so not you could i mean one of the things you can look at if you're already

[2:00:10] Voice 8: allowed to have that secondary suite could be secondary suite or exactly exactly could be

[2:00:16] Voice 5: secondary suite or uh another building right that would be my goal would be having that kind of

[2:00:23] Voice 5: but it's

[2:00:24] Voice 2: got no spiral you could also build a secondary screen onto your structure and contain

[2:00:30] Voice 7: the other thing would be honestly my preference would be if i'm going to be

[2:00:46] Voice 7: went in the house of a family i

[2:00:49] Voice 3: would buy a little space 50 people sure

[2:00:51] Voice 8: i get that let's just start

[2:00:53] Voice 8: this one technically yeah

[2:00:55] Voice 5: yeah i'm looking at it i did pay that out yeah so can i add another thing

[2:01:00] Voice 5: so okay do you want to respond to that

[2:01:03] Voice 8: right i mean in terms of how you do your your process

[2:01:08] Voice 8: yeah you you could decide to do it as a series of smaller projects right so you could decide to to

[2:01:15] Voice 8: say, you know, we want to do this, but we want to do this, this, we want to address this problem

[2:01:22] Voice 8: right now, because this is the biggest problem. Do that, and then do them, you know, do all of

[2:01:29] Voice 8: the differences in succession, which could end up getting longer for everything, but you address

[2:01:34] Voice 8: a particular issue first. So, and that's, that was one of the things that we sort of discussed

[2:01:39] Voice 8: a little bit with me, and that was an option that was put up too. You could do the full-on approach,

[2:01:44] Voice 8: the broad approach and in Maine's case because we had a lot of community engagement also because we

[2:01:49] Voice 8: had a affordable housing project that had also enabled us to actually tease out a lot of these

[2:01:54] Voice 8: stories um um there was a there was a clarity around in the community that they kind of knew

[2:02:00] Voice 8: that there's a lot of different things you might want to go for it together but you could choose

[2:02:05] Voice 8: to say like this is a particular thing I mean I mean that seems like a you know reasonable thing

[2:02:12] Voice 8: to consider um and you want to do that first and then you do that first and then you can come back

[2:02:17] Voice 7: to not work on the big project well what

[2:02:21] Voice 8: you'd want to do is like what i would encourage you

[2:02:24] Voice 8: is to um to like do those first steps know where you're at right before you start kind of

[2:02:29] Voice 8: and know what your list of things you want to do is right so start there you get your options that

[2:02:35] Voice 8: you want to move forward with then you can choose to do one option at a time and then you can choose

[2:02:40] Voice 8: to do all of the options together are you are you looking at that from under a number a lot of

[2:02:46] Voice 8: funding

[2:02:46] Voice 3: or not no

[2:02:48] Voice 8: it's without funding i mean the funding is a bonus right so i mean it's

[2:02:53] Voice 8: nothing i'll sell it down for someone like me who'd like to just go oh yeah no you don't need

[2:02:58] Voice 8: to look at funding i mean all of this is just process stuff right i mean if you it's if for

[2:03:03] For

[2:03:03] Voice 8: example, the trust counsel decides, no, we're not going to support this as a major project.

[2:03:11] Voice 8: You can still do pieces of it as a minor project, right?

[2:03:15] Voice 8: It just means that that's what you're doing instead of whatever else minor projects you're doing.

[2:03:21] Yeah.

[2:03:24] Voice 9: I'm coming back to the questions that are out here.

[2:03:28] Voice 9: I can't speak to whether there's

[2:03:29] Voice 8: needs assessment, but the only thing I can see is that there is.

[2:03:37] Voice 8: i don't know how much time needs to be spent trying to examine that

[2:03:43] Voice 9: but i think

[2:03:46] Voice 9: and very very difficult to find something that builds something in this environment extremely

[2:04:09] Voice 9: it so one of the opportunities i

[2:04:14] Voice 8: think there's already other reasons now there's a lot of that

[2:04:19] Voice 8: screens that are over there that's coming it's not a bunch of little tokens people who are living

[2:04:27] Voice 8: they live

[2:04:28] Voice 9: in the corner

[2:04:28] Voice 9: and the flip side that they need

[2:04:34] Voice 8: nothing about

[2:04:36] Voice 8: the landlord 10 act does not make it very interesting

[2:04:43] Voice 7: And

[2:04:45] Voice 8: so we will see some of these houses sold because people just don't want to be electric.

[2:04:54] Voice 8: We have to find a way to put three buildings on property and do it without a three-year process.

[2:05:06] Voice 5: one of the things that i was sorry oh it is

[2:05:09] Voice 5: so

[2:05:09] Trustee Maude (probable): this

[2:05:13] Voice 8: is where um like the cross-directional coordination is really critical right because

[2:05:18] Voice 8: we all have different responsibilities and um again this is uh as i was talking about the

[2:05:24] Voice 8: the work that is that's being done by justine stark in the crb she's initiated that that work

[2:05:31] Voice 8: herself she used to work for the islands so she's got a particular soft spot for the islands um so

[2:05:37] Voice 8: she's she's been working on that stuff for years to get this project program up and that that

[2:05:44] Voice 8: program includes um providing incentives for the the building of accessory building units to help

[2:05:52] Voice 8: address those costs but what the crd doesn't have is money right so that's that's where we're hoping

[2:05:59] Voice 8: that we'll get that that funding from CMHC and if we can like my hope is that if we can and what

[2:06:05] Voice 8: we're doing in our end is we're providing to someone to allow that program to actually have

[2:06:11] Voice 8: some value in the community and it's a similar thing that we can be doing so but without that

[2:06:19] Voice 8: I mean this is a challenge right without without that um that uh integration of of of different

[2:06:27] Voice 8: I just think there is such a responsibility and opportunity

[2:06:32] Voice 8: with rents and people, and the opportunities

[2:06:34] Voice 8: and everything that we're looking at is very difficult.

[2:06:39] Voice 8: There's also opportunity costs.

[2:06:41] Voice 8: If somebody has a property and I haven't had one,

[2:06:45] Voice 8: you could actually put a bunch of ads on it,

[2:06:47] Voice 8: put somebody there probably within six months.

[2:06:49] Voice 9: You could probably put

[2:06:50] Voice 9: something logistically

[2:06:54] Voice 9: and physically within

[2:06:55] Trustee Maude (probable): less than six months.

[2:06:57] Voice 9: You think we could do it in under two years of planning?

[2:06:59] Voice 8: Probably in a month.

[2:07:01] Voice 8: And what we've been built through in the community is absolutely zero interest.

[2:07:06] Voice 9: Yeah, I totally agree.

[2:07:07] Voice 9: This is the

[2:07:07] Voice 8: challenge that I see here.

[2:07:09] Voice 8: How are

[2:07:10] Voice 9: you going to get this forward?

[2:07:11] Voice 9: Well, I think the thing

[2:07:12] Trustee Maude (probable): is, it's not a coordination.

[2:07:15] I know Rob Fenton, who's your alternative CRD director,

[2:07:19] he's been pushing that sort of the pad rental type of process

[2:07:25] on through the CRD.

[2:07:26] So, and I think Island

[2:07:29] Trustee Maude (probable): Trust, Land Use, CRD with approval processes, I think that when

[2:07:34] Trustee Maude (probable): we all work together, we can achieve things as long as it's a common goal.

[2:07:39] Trustee Maude (probable): And I think that our ideas are becoming way more aligned than they have been in the past.

[2:07:45] Trustee Maude (probable): Because when one body wants to do something in the past, the other body says, well, we

[2:07:50] Trustee Maude (probable): don't think so.

[2:07:50] Trustee Maude (probable): I think now we've hit a critical mass where it's like, okay, we all have to work together.

[2:07:55] Trustee Maude (probable): it and and i think i think we're like you know if we can all sit in the same room and agree on stuff

[2:08:01] Trustee Maude (probable): i think we can make stuff happen

[2:08:02] Voice 4: i've seen very a lot of encouragement from crd in just that

[2:08:06] Voice 3: direction but it's trying to work with you guys but they were working very very closely

[2:08:16] Voice 7: um i'm just thinking about the bylaw project that we just went to and for example magic

[2:08:24] Voice 8: items was accessible, you know, because I think all of them have working in secondary

[2:08:31] Voice 8: space, right, not just in the general community, and so it could happen. It was asked for that

[2:08:39] Voice 8: there could be another type of going to the first speakers, a separate cottage for them,

[2:08:46] Voice 8: bring it off a carriage house type scenario so i don't know if it would be of use to look back

[2:08:53] Voice 8: at the dialogue so definitely there was a lot of talk about housing much of it didn't

[2:08:58] Voice 8: actually towards the end much of it didn't get included because we were going to do it

[2:09:02] Voice 8: so you might be able to pick up there's a lot of good community information

[2:09:07] Voice 8: thank you for mentioning that that's that's certainly something we'll um mention to founders

[2:09:12] Voice 8: stocked up and they're actually giving that forward to this project that's the kind of

[2:09:17] Voice 8: information like you can you've had the discussion the information is there to bring that forth

[2:09:22] Voice 8: you know into this however uh we have learned that um our own water in madison lake

[2:09:34] Voice 8: we can service 1200 lots that are there uh even though it's only allowed for secondary suites

[2:09:43] Voice 8: If every lot was filled out and every lot had secondary suites, we would have to kind of grade them.

[2:09:50] Voice 3: But I haven't really done research in this industry.

[2:09:54] Voice 3: That's a different thing for a unit that I would be filling out.

[2:09:59] Voice 3: Not just now that they come to pay to go with it.

[2:10:03] Voice 3: I think that you could have requirements.

[2:10:07] Voice 3: Yes, we have requirements.

[2:10:08] Voice 3: I don't

[2:10:08] Voice 8: know if you've gotten them, but the LDB would be the correct,

[2:10:12] Voice 8: but I did follow it up to a certain place that has the requirements.

[2:10:19] Voice 9: So we want to catch up. So

[2:10:21] Trustee Maude (probable): I just

[2:10:23] Voice 5: wanted to make sure you finished what you were saying.

[2:10:26] Voice 5: Yes. OK. So the other interesting thing is, as many of you guys know,

[2:10:35] Voice 5: I actually had to move off because of my housing needs.

[2:10:38] Voice 5: so i'm actually a case of housing problems in the islands um we'll be family housing in the same

[2:10:47] Voice 5: site um that is so i think that's going to be going forward potentially a greater thing that

[2:10:55] Voice 5: people are leaning into where you have family groups living on the same property and while i

[2:11:01] Voice 5: love my brother i don't want to live in the same building as him either so so that's the situation

[2:11:06] Voice 5: we're taking over the health care for my brother and we will be actually doing father's work too

[2:11:11] Voice 5: and so having them on the same property as us became a real challenge to find you know property

[2:11:18] Voice 5: that works that was affordable because like affordability comes into play like that if you

[2:11:22] Voice 5: have to build things if you're you know like finding the right constellation things um and

[2:11:27] Voice 5: some of that i think is in you know from a housing project point of view i think that there are

[2:11:32] Voice 5: it's not just family groups i think other people would be willing to engage in different kinds of

[2:11:38] Voice 5: like you know multiple housing living like on a same property with the covenants like swapping

[2:11:46] Voice 5: density um into like smaller clusters of housing just for ease so there's several um property

[2:11:53] Voice 5: owners here on pender who have had people living in garages or living in accessory buildings and i

[2:11:59] Voice 5: I know it's all not to code or not legal,

[2:12:02] Voice 5: but they're doing it because they're aging in place

[2:12:04] Voice 5: and they want the ability

[2:12:05] Voice 5: to have somebody right there adjacent to them

[2:12:08] Voice 5: to help them with their wood,

[2:12:10] Voice 5: to help them with any concern.

[2:12:12] Voice 5: And so I think that's a combination thing.

[2:12:14] Voice 5: It's not necessarily being able to subdivide their land

[2:12:17] Voice 5: because they want to own their land

[2:12:19] Voice 5: and run it to peace or co-own it with people,

[2:12:21] Voice 5: family members to do that.

[2:12:23] Voice 5: It's just to be able to have some flexibility

[2:12:25] Voice 5: in what constitutes a dwelling area.

[2:12:28] Voice 5: And from that perspective,

[2:12:29] Voice 5: i really like the idea of being able to um break up square footage on on a property into what's

[2:12:37] Voice 5: usable for the like way you're building um i also have a question for george just related to the pad

[2:12:43] Voice 5: comment that you made like are you thinking rvs or tiny homes and what other things would we need

[2:12:49] Voice 5: to do related to crd or others to make those like living units so that we can make that work

[2:12:54] Voice 5: because i think that is the short term of like how can we i would love to make tiny homes like

[2:13:00] Voice 5: if they're like you know um quality living sort of spaces i worry about putting poor people in

[2:13:08] Voice 5: bad housing well manufacturing home

[2:13:09] Voice 4: park is different than a trailer park a trailer park

[2:13:13] Voice 4: is rbs a manufacturing home park is mobile is manufactured home okay

[2:13:18] Voice 5: so that would count as

[2:13:19] Voice 5: tiny homes too so yeah okay

[2:13:23] Voice 7: so

[2:13:25] Voice 8: some tiny homes but essentially if they're on wheels they're

[2:13:30] Voice 8: essentially the same as a recreation well they're not actually like we've been yeah i know it's

[2:13:36] Voice 8: in terms of how the rd trees well although not actually because they actually are

[2:13:43] Voice 8: are extremely unique.

[2:13:47] Voice 8: So RVs are actually, they're certified

[2:13:51] Voice 8: by the Canadian Standards Association.

[2:13:54] Voice 8: And so that provides an element of oversight regulation.

[2:14:02] Voice 8: And even though they're standing there and they're holding,

[2:14:06] Voice 8: they're still, they were purchased under this regulation.

[2:14:13] Voice 8: Building code has specific things that are challenging and the building code doesn't

[2:14:19] Voice 8: apply to anything on wheels. So really there's nothing regulating tiny homes on wheels. So we

[2:14:26] Voice 8: have to be careful I think when we talk about tiny homes what we're actually talking about.

[2:14:30] Voice 8: Tiny homes on wheels is a very difficult scenario. One of the things that...

[2:14:36] Voice 8: I went back to home. Yeah, that's

[2:14:38] Voice 7: 800 square feet. But it's

[2:14:41] Voice 7: a kind of

[2:14:46] Voice 8: around language. So if we're talking about time, she referred

[2:14:50] Voice 8: to it as such so that you know,

[2:14:52] Voice 8: because they they'll be

[2:14:53] Voice 8: regulated. It's a small, you know, get a 600 square foot,

[2:14:58] Voice 8: man.

[2:14:59] Voice 8: Like, I think you can go as far as 250 square feet and still

[2:15:04] Voice 8: need so like in terms of egress or things but i

[2:15:10] Trustee Maude (probable): think that's one of the issues is the clarity

[2:15:12] Trustee Maude (probable): around the smaller homes is there's so much some is embraced some isn't embraced all the promises

[2:15:20] Trustee Maude (probable): seem to be waiting for the fence the national

[2:15:22] Trustee Maude (probable): building code is you

[2:15:23] Voice 4: have to put it on a concrete

[2:15:24] Voice 4: pad and hook up the water it's called

[2:15:26] Voice 4: whatever the structure is you call it whatever you want

[2:15:30] Voice 4: it

[2:15:30] Voice 7: has to be on a concrete path but in this

[2:15:33] Trustee Maude (probable): page it's like we had an instance of the kind of

[2:15:36] Trustee Maude (probable): on main island where a tiny home on wheels was built with a with a building permit totally

[2:15:43] Trustee Maude (probable): supervised by crd and it worked even though everybody said it couldn't be done because

[2:15:49] Trustee Maude (probable): it's not this is not that but so it seems to be a matter of interpretation a matter of this matter

[2:15:54] Trustee Maude (probable): And I think that's part of our overreaching project within the trust is to lock down what is permitted and what isn't permitted and lobby and make sure that, you know, when we say we want to do something, we can do something.

[2:16:07] Trustee Maude (probable): And I think part of the thing is what we did on Main Island, which I believe is what's going to go forward in other jurisdictions, is when we talk about the flex housing, we talk about some secondary suites and all that.

[2:16:17] Trustee Maude (probable): we've always put rainwater catchment requirements in there so we're not because we we didn't want

[2:16:22] Trustee Maude (probable): to tax the the overall infrastructure of the community so we said okay if you're going to do

[2:16:28] Trustee Maude (probable): this you have to look at alternate b because you can't hook up the water so there's i think we're

[2:16:35] very like the way we're

[2:16:36] Trustee Maude (probable): working is very very flexible just

[2:16:38] Voice 8: like the water we put in on the

[2:16:41] Voice 8: water system. In the first instance, we dealt with decon. In

[2:16:50] Voice 8: the second instance, we were forced

[2:16:52] Voice 8: to hire a professional engineer to put in four filters in UV. It's not bad, it's not rocket

[2:16:59] Voice 8: science to figure out how to filter out the crude stuff and then put in a bunch of filters, but we

[2:17:04] Voice 8: had to have engineers certify it. So when we look at housing needs and we want to do water catchment,

[2:17:09] Voice 8: there is a need for something that means every one of us don't have to go there and introduce

[2:17:14] Voice 8: and take it for information absolutely yeah i think that's true yeah i i just wanted to sort of

[2:17:24] Voice 8: um offer this but uh um you know where it's multi-jurisdictional what we did was we um

[2:17:41] was obviously the crd and the product are starting to work are working closer together and there's

[2:17:47] other players like what

[2:17:49] Voice 8: we did was we said okay let's look at the housing needs assessment

[2:17:54] Voice 8: demographic affordability and let's figure out what are we going to do next year okay

[2:18:01] Voice 8: and then we work together to figure out the various options and

[2:18:10] Voice 8: And you used it, sort of, you're describing it, I think, a bit too, sounds like me and I, but we did it as a pilot, and then we were able to be pretty successful with the provincial and federal government, because we were going together, and then we had the stories about how this is a huge crisis on Penrith, like this isn't just, you know, a bunch of old farts trying to figure out how to fill their afternoon, this is a real housing crisis.

[2:18:39] Voice 8: And we've got a lot of traction with that, so I'm really excited there's so much information

[2:18:47] Voice 8: available already because there's that step, as you were saying, that we can move pretty

[2:18:53] Voice 8: quickly and then we have some concrete results, and then we can do a larger piece to inform

[2:18:58] Voice 8: you by that first crisis need.

[2:19:03] Voice 9: I

[2:19:05] Trustee Maude (probable): think one of the important points is, like, what we saw on Mainland, we permitted secondary

[2:19:12] suites four or five years ago at least. We haven't had one built because there hasn't been any update.

[2:19:19] So I think that's part of

[2:19:20] Trustee Maude (probable): what Plan Chattahoochee is doing, is proving the community, saying, okay,

[2:19:25] Trustee Maude (probable): what plans do you have?

[2:19:27] Voice 7: Nobody wants

[2:19:28] Trustee Maude (probable): to be a landlord.

[2:19:28] Voice 7: yeah

[2:19:29] Trustee Maude (probable): so what can we do to tailor it so like for you sir like you know you're talking about

[2:19:34] Trustee Maude (probable): a situation like you can interface with a lot of challenges say well i want to do this and we can

[2:19:41] look at how we can tailor the bylaws to work for a circumstance

[2:19:44] Trustee Maude (probable): because there's no sense like

[2:19:46] Trustee Maude (probable): putting together bylaws and approvals and all that for something that nobody's ever going to

[2:19:50] Trustee Maude (probable): so you know so if there's specific people with specific circumstances let's take those stories

[2:19:56] Trustee Maude (probable): where we believe that we can accomplish it and how can we enable it so yeah i

[2:20:02] Voice 8: was just going to

[2:20:03] Voice 8: speak to the value of pilot projects and the ability to create a model so we've been able

[2:20:11] Voice 8: to do this flex housing and have this model concept maybe kendra's going to be involved

[2:20:17] Voice 8: for patents right and each one of those things requires a bunch of work behind it but

[2:20:24] Voice 8: So as a federation, we have the opportunity to work amongst each other.

[2:20:36] Voice 8: And so many different LTCs launching into the housing project, it's going to take less

[2:20:43] Voice 8: time for everybody to eventually get to that place.

[2:20:45] Voice 8: But you have to start somewhere, and the problem is you haven't started very far.

[2:20:51] Voice 5: I have a question just related.

[2:20:53] Voice 5: And I think this is more around CRD, but I'm not really sure.

[2:20:56] Voice 5: And I think the concrete folks might know more than I know about this.

[2:20:59] Voice 5: But I was curious about the landlord challenge, right?

[2:21:05] Voice 5: I've heard that a lot, that people don't want to necessarily be the landlord because of the complexity of the 10.

[2:21:11] Voice 5: um so is there is there a way for us to have a housing authority that works across the landscape

[2:21:21] Voice 5: not necessarily on one like like country court where there's like a board for that is there a

[2:21:28] Voice 5: way to have a housing sort of group that is the landlord for affordable housing but that kind of

[2:21:34] Voice 5: leases places off different folks and manages all of that like

[2:21:38] Voice 4: i don't and i don't know what's

[2:21:40] Voice 4: Personally, I think most purpose-built rental housing, just because whether it's owned by a private individual or a nonprofit, if that owner sells, it still remains purpose-built rental housing.

[2:21:54] Voice 4: right rather than being a mom-and-pop owning a house that is going to be sold one day and there's

[2:22:01] Voice 4: no there is no security because they're

[2:22:05] Voice 7: renting somebody else's personal residence it's always

[2:22:08] Voice 7: going to be resold at some point and they're going to be security but if it's a purpose-built

[2:22:14] Voice 7: the rental project structure, it will remain as Douglasville Rental no matter what.

[2:22:25] Voice 9: I'm the numbers guy, I mean, it is very, very difficult, I would say it's all, and so

[2:22:49] Voice 7: how

[2:22:51] Voice 7: will we find what is and it's because we've got six units today even if we go to 12 units

[2:22:56] Voice 7: your overhead cost

[2:22:58] Trustee Maude (probable): per unit is too black

[2:22:59] Voice 10: forget

[2:23:00] Voice 8: it forget the cost of building it's just your

[2:23:03] Voice 8: overhead cost it's going to be too high for you to pay so basically housing is interested in 40

[2:23:08] Voice 8: units and 100 units yeah we're 16 they're not very interesting that's good you don't make the numbers

[2:23:16] Voice 9: but it's it's very challenging and we're trying to figure out how to do this

[2:23:23] Voice 8: and meet everybody's different interests whether somebody's thought about water and somebody else

[2:23:31] Voice 8: has thought about air somebody else has thought about a tree and then somebody else has thought

[2:23:35] Voice 8: about what's underground you try and get all these things into place we need other locations for this

[2:23:43] Voice 8: somehow and then i think

[2:23:44] Voice 7: your model works is you can have distributed management distributed

[2:23:48] Voice 7: be the location for central management

[2:23:50] Voice 10: but

[2:23:51] Voice 7: you are going to need a

[2:23:52] Voice 7: manager for rental

[2:23:53] Voice 7: um he might have been referring to the community resource center because has

[2:24:01] Voice 5: the housing now

[2:24:02] Voice 5: um yes yeah that's different but if i i was thinking about that in terms of some of the

[2:24:08] Voice 5: other options that might be sort of a version for rental for

[2:24:13] Voice 3: rental people don't

[2:24:15] Voice 3: want to do

[2:24:15] Voice 3: then there's mental difficulties and that sort of thing that sort of early yeah and that could

[2:24:22] Voice 3: be enhanced and i know well i'm just working to really get a

[2:24:27] Voice 3: solid framework for it you go

[2:24:29] Voice 3: framework for it to upgrade it because i'm

[2:24:32] Voice 4: on the house i'm on the sgm i'm a person

[2:24:34] Voice 7: yeah i haven't

[2:24:36] Voice 4: been contacted once i've been on the list two years yeah as to

[2:24:39] Voice 7: someone that can provide housing

[2:24:41] Voice 7: yeah it's not interesting i work i work yeah

[2:24:47] Voice 3: so

[2:24:48] Voice 5: that would be good to connect with too is what this

[2:24:50] Voice 5: because

[2:24:51] Voice 3: it's a real issue that people don't feel free to kind of be

[2:24:56] Voice 3: and

[2:24:56] Voice 8: i do think that that's why it's important to get as much of this information

[2:25:04] Voice 8: information going, because I know you and I have had a conversation about how my experience

[2:25:12] Voice 8: with people that I have been contacted by looking for housing has been very different than what

[2:25:19] Voice 8: you're hearing sort of out in the community with no specifics as to what is happening.

[2:25:28] Voice 8: You know, I know people that have put an ad on the Pender Online Market. They've been contacted

[2:25:33] Voice 8: by nine different people they've been offered five different places they've had their pick

[2:25:37] Voice 8: of where they wanted to rent and where they wanted to move to they decided not to take the one

[2:25:43] Voice 8: because the other one had popped up at an ocean view and it was $1,500 you know which all seems

[2:25:49] Voice 8: to fit into a reasonable rental situation on on pender and so when you don't hear the specifics

[2:26:00] Voice 8: of people that know of somebody that's in a challenge and you don't know what the specific

[2:26:07] Voice 8: options are for how to deal with the issue that that people are interested in doing something on

[2:26:13] Voice 8: a piece of property that they have that they think that this option could work it's really hard to

[2:26:19] Voice 8: make a decision on how we're going to move forward with the housing study when you don't really

[2:26:25] Voice 8: haven't there isn't a specific need

[2:26:28] Voice 9: that has come out of it that that i've heard if

[2:26:33] Voice 4: you're a renter

[2:26:33] Voice 4: looking for short-term rental over the winter snowbirds are coming you have to pick

[2:26:38] Voice 7: up the

[2:26:39] Voice 7: islands yeah it's

[2:26:40] Voice 3: the summer that's the problem

[2:26:42] Voice 3: it's the software

[2:26:42] Voice 7: if you're looking for short-term

[2:26:45] Voice 7: rental between october and march you've got 20 years i

[2:26:49] Voice 7: know you yeah you've got 20.

[2:26:51] Voice 8: to me that's

[2:26:52] Voice 7: that that's a really great

[2:26:53] Voice 8: thing that we can solve you

[2:26:56] Voice 4: know that we're looking for someone else you

[2:26:58] Voice 4: know i don't know people there's a lot of people looking for long yes okay yes they don't want

[2:27:03] Voice 4: short they don't want to keep moving yeah but figuring

[2:27:06] Voice 8: out where what are the options that we

[2:27:09] Voice 8: have in front of us that people are willing to do obviously secondary suites and magic lake wasn't a

[2:27:14] Voice 8: wasn't an option that people we didn't offer it

[2:27:17] Voice 8: but people didn't want to do it

[2:27:19] Voice 8: sorry there's a lot of illegal sectors i'm sure

[2:27:22] Voice 7: i

[2:27:22] Voice 8: feel like they call violence

[2:27:28] Voice 8: yeah i think i just had two more things um i think i saw those disturbances on your list

[2:27:35] Voice 8: and on pender that means that the drapery for housing um that's kind of a standard principle

[2:27:40] Voice 8: principle that being close to services for people with mobility or a transportation machine though

[2:27:48] Voice 8: i would say we shouldn't be adding that to our needs the other thing is close to transportation

[2:27:53] Voice 8: groups because it also has some far off corner on it and really it's difficult to get around

[2:28:01] Voice 8: so housing locations number one obviously is water

[2:28:05] Voice 3: availability i'm trying to solve that but

[2:28:07] Voice 3: And after that, we get into, it depends, again,

[2:28:10] Voice 3: what transportation requirements.

[2:28:12] Voice 3: And if we cost their housing, the long transportation

[2:28:15] Voice 8: is that next time we will maybe have a better result

[2:28:21] Voice 8: for public transportation, which we need.

[2:28:23] Voice 8: And also, the approval for public funding for housing,

[2:28:28] Voice 8: it has to be in the public space,

[2:28:30] Voice 8: or close to transportation.

[2:28:31] Voice 8: Yeah, it's hopefully going to be great.

[2:28:33] Voice 8: i remember i remember this baby looking at something early thousands but they were planning

[2:28:40] Voice 8: their mobile development that that facilitated tracking

[2:28:44] Voice 8: it might

[2:28:55] Voice 3: be a case maybe for setting up something that looks like pad but kind of

[2:29:04] Voice 3: only see as much as permanent um and a lot of women there's still

[2:29:14] Voice 3: easy to set up an overall solar system and it could be managed

[2:29:19] Voice 3: we were concerned about landlords

[2:29:22] Voice 7: yeah and

[2:29:23] Trustee Maude (probable): i think very much that's where mr pettin's been

[2:29:27] Trustee Maude (probable): putting some energy into that for the crd so i think some momentum is going that way um the

[2:29:33] Trustee Maude (probable): The other thing that was mentioned to me, I'm pretty sure it was Adam Olson, was one

[2:29:38] Trustee Maude (probable): of the barriers that he suggested was, is this whole thing about bad renters, and there

[2:29:47] Trustee Maude (probable): was talk about establishing basically a rental agency, so basically it would be like a property

[2:29:53] Trustee Maude (probable): manager for the islands, so basically you would say pay 15% of your rent.

[2:30:00] Trustee Maude (probable): management company and they would look after renting maintaining and existing property

[2:30:05] Voice 7: managers already have us yeah

[2:30:07] Trustee Maude (probable): but i'm so loud they say saterna maine pender don't have any

[2:30:13] Trustee Maude (probable): property managers there's zero there

[2:30:15] Voice 7: he goes yeah

[2:30:16] Trustee Maude (probable): i'm sorry yes yeah

[2:30:18] Trustee Maude (probable): so but but main saturn

[2:30:21] Trustee Maude (probable): galliano do not have any and there's a lot of people who basically have vacant properties

[2:30:26] Trustee Maude (probable): properties because they don't want to rent because they don't want to pass them.

[2:30:29] Trustee Maude (probable): So if so, like one of our hotel owners actually is a licensed property manager and she's been

[2:30:36] Trustee Maude (probable): looking at establishing something there because that could open up some opportunities.

[2:30:41] Voice 4: Does a property management, are they able to bypass the difficulty of filling the rent

[2:30:45] Voice 4: which is not, because that is just a mind sale.

[2:30:48] Trustee Maude (probable): No, but I think their aims have navigated a lot easier.

[2:30:51] Voice 4: Because if you, for example, somebody's in a property who knows being managed,

[2:30:56] Voice 4: um, who decided

[2:30:57] Voice 7: no longer to pay rent. I think it's something like a year and a half now before you can even get a case started to the ventures.

[2:31:03] Voice 7: Then we stopped working with the Supreme Court and wanted to get it shared. So does the property management, can they buy a house now?

[2:31:09] Trustee Maude (probable): No, no, no.

[2:31:10] Trustee Maude (probable): So they're not

[2:31:10] Voice 5: under a head vent.

[2:31:12] Voice 5: No,

[2:31:12] Trustee Maude (probable): but they might be able to navigate the system a little bit better.

[2:31:14] Trustee Maude (probable): Well,

[2:31:15] Voice 5: they vet people. They, they, generally property managers, at least from what I know here on Tender, vet people like really carefully.

[2:31:22] Voice 5: they have sort of they know people on the island so they know who good renters are on the island

[2:31:28] Voice 5: so if they're recommending a renter to you it's a renter that they know they have a history of

[2:31:32] Voice 5: generally i think is is the case about the idea of a property

[2:31:37] Voice 8: typically they also do

[2:31:39] Voice 8: financial checks and all those other things that a lot of kind of mom and pop landlords don't do

[2:31:45] Voice 8: so i actually own a townhouse in the night we have just gone through a property manager for

[2:31:51] Voice 8: the first time because we've had less than optimal rental experiences a couple times and so she was

[2:31:58] Voice 8: much more thorough than we would have been in terms of checking the finances so we did a couple

[2:32:04] Voice 8: reference checks and that was kind of about it in the past so there is definitely 10

[2:32:10] Voice 4: years ago we

[2:32:11] Voice 4: had a lot of little productives on vendor that were rented out for six eight hundred dollars a

[2:32:16] Voice 4: month now for whatever reason and they weren't and you couldn't sell them very much the real

[2:32:21] Voice 4: estate market was down once the real estate market has gone up all of a sudden people have died the

[2:32:26] Voice 4: owners have died the family's taken over they have no connection to the islands and they can all of

[2:32:31] Voice 4: a sudden get a lot of money so we've lost a lot of rental stock because of the sale of all these

[2:32:36] Voice 4: little old cottages all around the island and

[2:32:40] Voice 7: that's where people used to live and they weren't

[2:32:42] Voice 7: very good they weren't some

[2:32:44] Voice 4: of them weren't very nice but this is they look that rental stock is

[2:32:48] Voice 4: is gone for various reasons, family deaths,

[2:32:51] Voice 4: the state planning, whatever, real estate prices.

[2:32:55] Voice 4: It's the month, we still,

[2:32:57] Voice 4: it doesn't provide tenant security.

[2:33:02] Voice 7: People used to move around every six months.

[2:33:05] Voice 7: They need a place, they pay rent,

[2:33:07] Voice 7: they need a place to live where they know

[2:33:09] Voice 7: there doesn't, if the owner, if the owner sells,

[2:33:13] Voice 7: it's still a rental unit.

[2:33:16] Voice 7: so the little cottages around the island now are

[2:33:20] Voice 7: worth a lot yeah that's what's going that also

[2:33:23] Voice 5: makes me wonder about whether um and it's a little bit of a minefield here on pender so it has to be

[2:33:29] Voice 5: navigated but whether we want to consider conversations around what is our move related

[2:33:35] Voice 5: to the empty house tax or the um what's the other one speculation or investment speculation

[2:33:40] Voice 5: yeah and like there's some complexities because there are long-term family homes here that we

[2:33:46] Voice 5: wouldn't want to necessarily like have everybody suddenly you know lose their family thing and

[2:33:52] Voice 5: there's there's some challenges with it here to make it island specific you know whatever the

[2:33:56] Voice 5: request would be but i and it won't quite

[2:33:59] Voice 4: get it i'm not pushing for that no

[2:34:00] Voice 5: no and i i'm not and

[2:34:02] Voice 4: it's

[2:34:02] Voice 5: not addressing what you just said because it

[2:34:03] Voice 5: still makes it about homes as opposed to larger

[2:34:06] Voice 5: units and you know pros and cons cottages aren't

[2:34:09] Voice 7: speculated so that's where i am yeah

[2:34:11] Voice 5: although

[2:34:13] Voice 5: i've seen a lot of those cottages starting to get um like mode and houses built like it's so

[2:34:20] Voice 5: i don't know i just wonder like

[2:34:22] Voice 4: there's still a lot of empty homes but you can't force those people

[2:34:24] Voice 4: to remediate them and lend them out they don't yeah and then they can cost thousands to remediate

[2:34:31] Voice 4: before they're habitable and can't force people to do that can't force people to

[2:34:36] Voice 4: rent out their own

[2:34:37] Voice 3: they just have to wonder if um you still can't make some allowance

[2:34:42] Voice 3: for people in the

[2:34:43] Voice 3: difficult accessory houses and property to put on some basketball

[2:34:46] Voice 3: they're still living there still have some control over the rest

[2:35:00] Voice 3: and often we just need small places for people looking in our stores and our restaurants and our

[2:35:05] Voice 3: summer people i mean how many businesses here are i just heard the solar now having problems with

[2:35:12] Voice 3: getting how long are we going to have our places around on this island if we can't if we don't have

[2:35:19] Voice 7: housing for people to live in that work in them even even just for the summer

[2:35:23] Voice 8: mr sketch um i've

[2:35:26] Voice 8: I've rented since 1995, and I've been lucky that it's become longer and longer.

[2:35:34] Voice 8: But, you know, in the late 2000s, I started speaking to people, hearing people who couldn't

[2:35:42] Voice 8: find a place to rent, and it was quite a sharp 6, 7, 8.

[2:35:47] Voice 8: And the impact of commercial use of residential zones was huge then.

[2:35:54] Voice 8: that. And it would never be in a DM and later STVR is a normal thing. But it was that commercial

[2:36:02] Voice 8: use residential zone that was a death knell. People like names. I was very lucky with this

[2:36:08] Voice 8: plan. And then I got unlucky. And I kept hearing of folks who had one year rent, one year lease,

[2:36:18] Voice 8: that you're at um and then a poem which hasn't been addressed i have a discussion with a lot of

[2:36:31] Voice 8: people what can you do with your session if you have to be out in two weeks time and you have

[2:36:40] Voice 8: been no place to move to. It's about that simple. And what opportunities are there to have a cushion

[2:36:54] Voice 8: of space to store a lot of things, where you can get out in front of it. It's not too hot,

[2:37:06] Voice 8: not to call the environment and that aspect is simply not

[2:37:15] Voice 8: needs context. I've seen people who

[2:37:19] Voice 8: landlord set out and they didn't have a place to move it to so they put it outside the house

[2:37:29] Voice 8: and then the landlord decided it can get very very ugly

[2:37:34] Voice 9: and landlords do have

[2:37:37] Voice 9: um and when the

[2:37:42] Voice 8: law is being there right that's the end of it and the land itself i have another

[2:37:52] Voice 8: point based on the selling of our housing strategies that are raised which i think germain

[2:38:12] Voice 8: and it really is exceptionally well written with reference by Marissa and just for background

[2:38:21] Voice 8: uh Justine Stark is a resident of salt. She has sat for many years on the salt spring

[2:38:28] Voice 8: bring Water Advisory Committee to the crisis

[2:38:31] Voice 8: around water.

[2:38:34] Voice 8: And she was a PANDER trustee for some years.

[2:38:38] Voice 7: What about planner?

[2:38:39] Voice 7: Staffer?

[2:38:40] Voice 7: PANDER.

[2:38:40] Voice 7: Oh, sorry.

[2:38:41] Voice 8: I'm sorry.

[2:38:43] Voice 8: PANDER.

[2:38:44] Voice 8: She knows PANDER specifically.

[2:38:48] Voice 8: And she's a lady with the living side who writes well.

[2:38:54] Voice 8: And she prepared a report for the ARD committee,

[2:38:59] Committee, which

[2:39:00] Voice 8: was adopted by in order to guide the spending that is being

[2:39:06] Voice 8: and I will take a couple of excerpts, if I may, from from her own report, which is from

[2:39:19] Voice 8: the first page, if there's an urgent need for affordable housing, the need to approach

[2:39:29] Voice 8: approach housing solutions in rural communities, especially in the trust area, with different assumptions than those used for

[2:39:36] Voice 8: housing interventions in urban regions. We are not there in the region, and the assumptions we are collecting are different.

[2:39:50] I

[2:39:51] Voice 8: quote from her, focusing density to its marginal centers better than on May,

[2:39:56] Voice 8: and much of that is in urban areas.

[2:40:01] Voice 9: I'd like to finish with that for a

[2:40:04] Voice 8: suggestion on that point.

[2:40:06] Voice 8: And then she said,

[2:40:07] Voice 8: the carbon-producing benefit in one area of the island can have a negative impact

[2:40:11] Voice 8: on the region, distributing density across the island.

[2:40:17] Voice 8: It's more sustainable for the freshwater carrying capacity of the island.

[2:40:21] Voice 8: Now, that situation is perturbed a little bit in a large area such as Magic Lake, which has its own port and sewer.

[2:40:32] Voice 8: The Navy, I'm not quite sure whether the 400 blocks, which Mary Beth said the board included the anvil block,

[2:40:43] But

[2:40:45] Voice 8: it's possible that that area could accommodate distributed affordable housing.

[2:40:52] Voice 8: And with that in mind,

[2:40:56] Voice 9: in

[2:40:59] Voice 8: about 2008, there was a good deal of discussion about whether

[2:41:06] Voice 8: or not commercial development should be concentrated, the eventual outcome, perhaps the town, Ganesh

[2:41:14] Voice 8: or as the discussion went back the otp really did not

[2:41:22] Voice 8: but there is another point of view for um and i'll refer to something called the dunbar number

[2:41:34] Voice 8: dunbar number is an estimate of how many people the average person can hold in there

[2:41:42] Voice 8: In other words, what is a person's community in a rural setting and if it's about 250 people,

[2:41:55] Voice 8: how about considering selling, which would allow a separate-style mini-store with a coffee

[2:42:04] Voice 8: shop every 250 people and so on and so forth so that the the self-support and the social

[2:42:14] Voice 8: could be established every 250 people on the different models and it it could in fact the

[2:42:27] commercial aspect could be fed by or supplied by the commercial center that you'd have the

[2:42:33] advantage of walking to your

[2:42:35] Voice 8: local area that's quite a different and it would remove the uh

[2:42:42] Voice 8: reported requirement of having full housing posting service

[2:42:48] Voice 8: um it's a different approach and i think it should be considered at the same time

[2:42:53] Voice 8: as our consideration of where to put it.

[2:42:57] Voice 8: And this is your main point.

[2:42:59] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:43:00] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[2:43:01] Trustee Maude (probable): So, Plash, you were sort of wrapping things up.

[2:43:04] Trustee Maude (probable): Have you got enough input?

[2:43:07] Trustee Maude (probable): I

[2:43:07] Voice 7: can wrap things up.

[2:43:10] Voice 7: It's been a really fantastic

[2:43:12] Voice 8: discussion.

[2:43:14] Voice 8: And thank you very much for opening up with your story

[2:43:17] Voice 8: because these are the kinds of stories

[2:43:19] Voice 8: that really help to get at identifying those options

[2:43:22] Voice 8: than prioritizing the options so thank you um i really appreciate everybody's huge and valuable

[2:43:31] Voice 8: the process um and uh like very i mean i feel very optimistic about um you being able to have a very

[2:43:39] Voice 8: rich um further very rich conversation around um the options for non-communities for northern

[2:43:48] Voice 8: it's been a pleasure to be here today thank you for showing up so

[2:43:54] Voice 7: if somebody comes to you with

[2:43:55] Voice 7: a rezoning application at the next meeting and then

[2:43:59] Voice 5: you gotta say yes for this type of thing

[2:44:02] Voice 5: i think it's really interesting to consider and the challenge we have right now without this

[2:44:06] Voice 5: in place is that a rezoning application is more complex because we have to put it through the

[2:44:10] Voice 5: go safety but the idea would

[2:44:12] Voice 5: be to try and do it in a way that it changes the safety overall

[2:44:15] Voice 5: off because

[2:44:16] Voice 5: it says family

[2:44:16] Voice 7: residence yeah that's right so

[2:44:19] Voice 8: and i guess i would know i mean again

[2:44:20] Voice 8: the opportunity to go back to me as we are actually looking at yeah relanguaging some of the

[2:44:24] Voice 8: existing uh results yeah there's

[2:44:29] Voice 7: a lot of them

[2:44:30] Voice 3: can you find these uh presentation online

[2:44:35] Voice 3: behind i'm trying to get any other guns

[2:44:49] Voice 2: there's a housing page and there's a community consultation subfolder

[2:44:54] Voice 2: under the project page and if it's not there yet by early next week it will be placed in the folder

[2:45:02] Voice 2: they're under community consultation and

[2:45:05] Voice 8: that's where all the information that this project will

[2:45:08] Voice 8: evolve will track be checked there all the staff reports all this and many but any of many bylaws

[2:45:16] Voice 8: that uh come down the line at some point so

[2:45:19] Voice 3: is there any format or they're just all in there

[2:45:22] Voice 3: uh they're all

[2:45:23] Voice 8: dated they're not aligned now

[2:45:31] Voice 7: don't you dare get into that

[2:45:39] Voice 8: planning committee um at the next page i think in a few weeks and it's supposed to be finalized

[2:45:45] Voice 8: when it is finalized we'll have all all of that content up on the site as well on our housing

[2:45:52] Voice 8: I think it's called the housing affordability page.

[2:45:54] Voice 5: Can we link to the housing affordability page on the North Bender project page and to,

[2:45:59] Voice 5: I think it was Marybeth's comment earlier

[2:46:01] Voice 5: about the housing reports out of the LUB.

[2:46:04] Voice 5: Can we make sure we crosslink them onto that page too? It would just be nice to have a one-stop shop.

[2:46:09] Voice 8: I mean, I encourage trustees to have a look at the Gabriola OCP.

[2:46:14] Voice 8: We've created a very specific page for that project.

[2:46:17] Voice 8: okay as well so there's an isolated page um yeah that's what you're saying yeah okay that looked

[2:46:25] Voice 8: good okay well

[2:46:27] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you very much everybody

[2:46:29] Voice 2: we

[2:46:29] Voice 5: don't have any decisions do we i

[2:46:31] Voice 2: can can i just

[2:46:32] Voice 2: do two things one i would like to revisit that resolution for the palm street part because i

[2:46:37] Voice 2: think the actual now that i better understand that

[2:46:39] Voice 8: the resolution i sent you doesn't exist

[2:46:41] Voice 8: okay so i think you could consider passing that but just by law speed names later and when i go

[2:46:47] Voice 8: back to the office next week i'll

[2:46:48] Voice 2: plug in whatever shop drop by a lot number of jobs

[2:46:51] Voice 2: uh the other piece that you wanted to add to your agenda was a brief discussion around

[2:46:57] Voice 2: the trail uh thank you

[2:47:03] Voice 3: okay hold on one second we haven't done it yet

[2:47:07] Voice 3: okay now can i read it out

[2:47:09] Voice 8: absolutely let's

[2:47:10] Voice 5: start with and that that's a rubber word

[2:47:12] Voice 8: in it and that

[2:47:16] Voice 5: pursuant to local government act s 464 parentheses two parentheses um the north

[2:47:23] Voice 5: pender island local justice committee resolves to not hold a public hearing for bylaw to be

[2:47:27] Voice 5: determined number to be determined and that staff give notice of first reading in accordance with

[2:47:32] Voice 5: s 467 of the local government attitude

[2:47:40] Voice 9: so

[2:47:41] Voice 5: that's the first step of the things we needed and

[2:47:44] Voice 2: so now one that will allow us to do is to

[2:47:48] Voice 2: send out that notice prior to a meeting where the you then consider giving first rating so

[2:47:53] Voice 8: the notice needs to be sent between three and ten days prior to you giving questions

[2:47:57] Voice 8: that's right

[2:47:58] Voice 8: yeah we'll do everything

[2:47:59] Voice 9: perfect yeah so you've been

[2:48:07] Voice 8: asked for a letter of support

[2:48:08] Voice 8: the north pender parks commission regarding uh the trail and of course it's a long screener way so

[2:48:16] Voice 8: uh there was some discussion around doing that support by arbor wm but uh

[2:48:23] Voice 8: chairman wanted that with discussion so here's your opportunity to and you just

[2:48:27] Voice 3: missed the phone

[2:48:30] Voice 5: um yeah i've talked with several folks on the parks commission though about it

[2:48:36] Voice 5: um and you talk with them too yeah okay so anybody want to start that well

[2:48:43] Trustee Maude (probable): i think the

[2:48:44] Trustee Maude (probable): difficulty is we haven't advertised we're talking to discuss it so it's hard for the public to give

[2:48:48] Trustee Maude (probable): us input oh

[2:48:49] Voice 7: on a letter or not a letter okay like

[2:48:53] Trustee Maude (probable): clearly we don't have it on the agenda or anything

[2:48:55] Trustee Maude (probable): so it's i think it's the thing that's an added as a late agenda yeah

[2:48:59] Voice 7: we're allowed to have which

[2:49:00] Trustee Maude (probable): i don't process wise but but in the public perception wise so

[2:49:05] Voice 5: i'm not worried about that

[2:49:06] Voice 5: in this particular situation because that that trail has been under conversations today for like

[2:49:11] Voice 5: like i can't

[2:49:13] Voice 7: like they're currently at the fundraiser possibly as long as i was alive

[2:49:16] Voice 5: so um but it's more right now just about like um moving forward on how did they get support

[2:49:25] Voice 5: and what support that's a bigger conversation that i think we have to have longer term like

[2:49:30] Voice 5: what support can the trust give because financially i talked with rob about that like

[2:49:35] Voice 5: what what funds we have versus what funds crd has because it's a service and we can help

[2:49:42] Voice 5: potentially in the long run maybe with zoning and like doing it as i ask for a community service

[2:49:47] Voice 5: you know clause for the zoning reimbursement kind of thing but we can't guarantee that that's

[2:49:53] Voice 5: executive but these are things that we could kind of potentially name as like ways like in kind

[2:50:00] Voice 5: types of contribution that the trust might be able to provide going forward we can't guarantee it

[2:50:05] Voice 5: all we can say is we can put and and then there's the whole issue of project right project versus

[2:50:13] Voice 5: not project like we don't it's not a project for us but when it comes to us as a rezoning which it

[2:50:19] Voice 5: will at some point to be like rezoned as part of the crd won't it why won't it highway right away

[2:50:25] Voice 7: oh

[2:50:25] Voice 5: is it on the right away fully oh okay no no but it's on

[2:50:30] Voice 3: yeah i thought it partly i don't

[2:50:36] Voice 3: yeah

[2:50:37] Voice 8: i think it's like my dad's trail down the hill he's entered into an agreement with

[2:50:44] Voice 8: with center parks which is

[2:50:47] Voice 5: crd and

[2:50:48] Voice 8: a separate insurance yeah provider for it

[2:50:54] Voice 8: yeah and they just did it yeah because

[2:51:01] Trustee Maude (probable): it's a senior just because of senior government because

[2:51:03] Trustee Maude (probable): because i know like on main island we have this this trail going through and they have

[2:51:08] Trustee Maude (probable): quite a few agreements with private landowners for the trail and we've done some land use

[2:51:12] Trustee Maude (probable): so the

[2:51:13] Voice 5: parks department has done most of that the parks commission has done most of that through

[2:51:19] Voice 5: um because they're commissioned for crd and this is service which is what i explained to rob

[2:51:22] Voice 5: his point was that it's really difficult to go forward with different grants when all government

[2:51:30] Voice 5: when agencies aren't kind of advocating or like being part of the arrangement and that other

[2:51:37] Voice 5: organizations with their non-governmental organizations have donated money to the effort

[2:51:41] Voice 5: and the crd has money i'm like yeah but it's a service and so crd has like legislative authority

[2:51:47] Voice 5: to put money in that pot we don't and so from my understanding and correct me if i'm wrong

[2:51:54] Voice 5: on any of this, but okay.

[2:51:56] Voice 8: What he had said to my discussion with him,

[2:51:59] Voice 8: what he had said to me was more to do with

[2:52:04] Voice 8: sort of verbal support in the community

[2:52:09] Voice 8: and would like, because as far as my discussion with him

[2:52:15] Voice 8: went, there wasn't anything that we could do for them.

[2:52:19] Voice 5: Well, the other thing I think we could do is,

[2:52:22] Voice 5: it might not be a land use, but land use is only really

[2:52:26] Voice 5: land use is like half or some portion of our work the other is coordination of layers of government

[2:52:32] Voice 5: in this area so what is the coordination combined that we could potentially do I guess was the other

[2:52:38] Voice 5: question I had or endorsement endorsement well

[2:52:41] Voice 4: I thought that's I think yeah

[2:52:42] Voice 5: oh yeah I think we can

[2:52:44] Voice 5: do that for sure

[2:52:45] Voice 3: but I thought that

[2:52:48] Voice 8: was the idea behind this letter was would we create a joint

[2:52:53] Voice 8: letter of endorsement of the trail even though it doesn't have anything to do with necessarily

[2:53:02] Voice 8: our jurisdiction that just that you would state that we were in in support of it it doesn't it

[2:53:10] Voice 5: doesn't right like we're in this it's a little bit of a gray area frankly because our ocp said

[2:53:15] Voice 5: that we're proposing alternative transportation so what are we as an organization doing to foster

[2:53:21] Voice 5: that so part of that is endorsing we can endorse a letter we could coordinate with different levels

[2:53:25] Voice 5: of government if we can't do anything about that it should not be in our oc because we are raising

[2:53:30] Voice 5: expectations in the community that we can do something about that and we should be able to

[2:53:34] Voice 5: do something about that right so i guess yeah so i'm happy to have a letter that endorses um the

[2:53:43] Voice 5: you know work that they're doing on the trail and it commits to coordinating with other levels

[2:53:48] Voice 5: of government as as needed like like that would be kind of what i can easily see us doing and then

[2:53:55] Voice 5: going forward you know i don't know what else we would

[2:53:58] Voice 8: need sort of what it needs to be a bit more

[2:54:01] Voice 8: of a specific ask if they yeah

[2:54:03] Voice 3: i think we need a more specific ask i can see that but to endorse it

[2:54:06] Voice 8: is

[2:54:07] Voice 3: no i don't know i don't think it's not right no

[2:54:12] Voice 8: but if there was like if there was some

[2:54:15] Voice 8: well you

[2:54:16] Voice 3: could more specifically the ocp and say it supports after 400 oh he quoted it at me

[2:54:21] Voice 3: it

[2:54:22] Voice 8: does state that uh that it is expected to be along public rights of way so that's a bit of a

[2:54:45] Voice 8: this number to what i'm doing here and that there are also the areas where it's on private land

[2:54:50] Voice 8: uh and just permitted in all zones

[2:54:54] Voice 2: it just crowds parks other than so permitted in all zones these

[2:54:59] Voice 2: uses parks other than playgrounds and playing fields hiking and bicycling past sports riding

[2:55:05] Voice 2: trails and clubs per week so

[2:55:06] Voice 8: if it was built and it was along someone's private land it

[2:55:10] Voice 8: could technically be like not zoned for that but i don't see that as being like a huge priority for

[2:55:16] Voice 8: you to rezone to allow for the trail but i think what you need to decide is whether in your view

[2:55:23] Voice 8: that trail is appropriate or not support like they're seeking your support on behalf of them

[2:55:30] Voice 8: to uh submit a funding yeah and

[2:55:35] Voice 5: they have my support like so

[2:55:39] Voice 5: So because we have to build for the movement.

[2:55:44] Voice 5: We

[2:55:45] Voice 3: are the

[2:55:49] Voice 8: eligible applicant.

[2:55:50] Voice 8: So one of the things that one of the things that we have to be able to do is go through if the other eligible applicant is on the profit.

[2:56:02] Voice 8: But for example, I mean, I don't know. In this case, it's a registered nonprofit.

[2:56:05] Voice 8: if they're not

[2:56:18] Voice 5: they're just wanting to have all of the different actors that might be like fringe or central

[2:56:25] Voice 5: endorsed and like like lean into the work yeah that's easy to do yeah that's right

[2:56:31] Voice 5: that's that's

[2:56:32] Voice 5: easy to do an endorsement hunter is easy to do i think there's a secondary kind of piece of like

[2:56:38] Voice 5: we have a bunch of statements in our ocp about the fact that we want to promote different types

[2:56:46] Voice 5: of alternative or active transportation right and

[2:56:49] Voice 5: there's another grant that just came around on the

[2:56:51] Voice 5: internal thing which was uh it was part of the accelerator i think not the housing accelerator

[2:56:57] Voice 5: but like if there's a climate accelerator or something like that that also could connect and

[2:57:02] Voice 5: actually i think i forwarded it over to rob like to so one of the things that we could they can

[2:57:08] Voice 5: access these different grants in different ways and we are contributing to that in some way because

[2:57:13] Voice 5: we hold not only the island's trust which is important but

[2:57:17] Voice 5: as a local government we also

[2:57:18] Voice 5: potentially you know have some not say in it but we're coordinating we're the voice of a community

[2:57:26] Voice 5: like to be able to say something and to support some of that work so yes on advocacy i guess um

[2:57:34] Voice 5: brad like related to this text from sandra it's gonna be a draft letter i just saw that text it

[2:57:41] Voice 5: was okay um so i think like if the dilemma i think we face is like if you took a if you took this

[2:57:55] Voice 5: letter and went through it and were able to really say like that we endorsed it um this is a little

[2:58:03] Voice 5: bit too general because it's like more you know what

[2:58:06] Voice 8: you could do is you could just pass a

[2:58:08] Voice 8: resolution saying that the local trust committee supports the

[2:58:12] Voice 2: crd's application for the for the

[2:58:15] Voice 2: trail yeah and staff could just email that resolution saying sandra the ltc passes resolution

[2:58:23] Voice 5: Okay, so I don't

[2:58:25] Voice 2: need a letter. They've got your resolution.

[2:58:26] Voice 5: I like that. But can we put a letter saying exactly what you just said on letterhead and send it to them?

[2:58:32] Voice 2: You can absolutely do that. Just not while it's brisk meeting. We'll just say the local trust committee could render your request at the October 21st meeting and pass the following resolution.

[2:58:43] Voice 5: I think that's

[2:58:44] Voice 8: a really good solution.

[2:58:44] Voice 8: I should even send that in email.

[2:58:46] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:58:46] Voice 5: but I just yeah, and even sending the letter, I would like it on letterhead just because it helps them.

[2:58:51] Voice 5: down there

[2:58:51] Voice 8: but if you pass a resolution that the more or less what i just said there okay so let's

[2:58:59] Voice 5: think about what's um okay are you ready we're gonna draft this on the fly and then we'll just

[2:59:04] Voice 5: try and like make sure it's right before we second it i can

[2:59:08] Voice 8: word it if you want yeah

[2:59:09] Voice 5: go for it

[2:59:13] Voice 8: local trust committee has considered

[2:59:19] Voice 9: and

[2:59:21] Voice 2: is in support of submitting a DC active transportation

[2:59:29] Voice 9: grant application for the screen

[2:59:31] Voice 9: away.

[2:59:37] Voice 9: No.

[2:59:41] Voice 9: I'm supportive of the 2023 DC active transportation grant application.

[3:00:02] Voice 9: So I think that's good for now.

[3:00:04] Voice 5: And then if they come back with a more specific request, we can deal with that.

[3:00:08] Voice 5: This gets into the ground cycle, which is always these dilemmas.

[3:00:12] Voice 5: Ground cycles are coming out as like, you know, meter hits.

[3:00:15] Voice 7: Okay. So moved. So moved. Seconded. Discussion?

[3:00:20] Voice 7: No, it's great. Thank

[3:00:22] Trustee Maude (probable): you

[3:00:24] Voice 3: for putting that up.

[3:00:25] Trustee Maude (probable): I don't think it was

[3:00:26] Voice 3: a matter of space.

[3:00:27] Trustee Maude (probable): So adjournment.

[3:00:29] Voice 3: Oh, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[3:00:30] Trustee Maude (probable): I got an order to capture.

[3:00:31] Trustee Maude (probable): Make it quick.

[3:00:32] Trustee Maude (probable): Yep.

[3:00:34] Voice 8: Could you please explain to us the specific conditions of the World Government Act in

[3:00:43] Voice 8: which you can forego public hearing?

[3:00:46] It's a very touchy issue with some people.

[3:00:49] We're skipping public hearing.

[3:00:51] There is a reason for it.

[3:00:52] Voice 8: um with

[3:00:54] Voice 9: you that you're doing can

[3:01:01] Voice 5: you bring that back to the next meeting because i'd like to

[3:01:04] Voice 5: think about that a little bit more or is there like is it simple answer

[3:01:09] Voice 2: so essentially the local government act uh allow you to not hold a public hearing

[3:01:16] Voice 2: if your bylaw amendment is consistent

[3:01:23] Voice 2: you can decide to not stop waiting if

[3:01:28] Voice 8: it's not whole is the wording a public hearing

[3:01:30] Voice 8: if you're going to do that then the provisions in the legislation require

[3:01:35] Voice 8: prior to giving first reading so that's the resolution

[3:01:41] Voice 8: thank you all

[3:01:43] Voice 8: right so adjournment

[3:01:44] Voice 8: thank

[3:01:45] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much

[3:01:47] Trustee Maude (probable): self-office thank you

[3:01:48] Voice 3: okay and

[3:01:50] Voice 9: you are the best we have happening in the universe