Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, November 15, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 6: just you that's right and this is a it picks up all conversations too yeah

[0:00:08] Voice 6: good

[0:00:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): to go all right well then i will call this uh special meeting to order

[0:00:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): um this is the salt spring island local trust committee my name is tim peterson i'm elected

[0:00:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): on the skeedy island i'm chair of the salt spring island local trust committee with me

[0:00:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): are trustees Laura Patrick and Jamie Harris and together we make up the Salt Spring Island Local

[0:00:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): Trust Committee. We also have staff members Rob Pingel, Chris Hutton and Sarah Trigger with us

[0:00:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): to assist and support us and the agenda tonight is simply a town hall so we're here to hear from

[0:00:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): you the public and just a reminder that we are meeting on the territories of the

[0:00:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): Coast Salish peoples who've been here since time immemorial and we're respectful of that and

[0:01:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): that comments should be addressed to the local trust committee and should be ideally relevant

[0:01:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the business of the local trust committee and should use respectful language and speak

[0:01:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): to issues and not individuals and since we don't have a massive turnout we won't have to be

[0:01:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): super strict on the on on time but i will i'll start with say three minutes each and then uh

[0:01:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): see how that goes and uh so with that i will uh look for show heads of who would like to speak

[0:01:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): tonight all right why don't you start i'm glenn stevens and i'd like to just ask a few questions

[0:01:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): last june um the caching delegation made a presentation to the trust and i understand

[0:01:57] stand from the minutes

[0:01:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): the trust directed the staff to do a review of the cashing proposal

[0:02:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): i had understood from speaking with the staff that it would be on tomorrow's meeting the

[0:02:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): review presentation and then when the agenda came out it was not and i'm wondering and i guess i'm

[0:02:19] looking at all of you if in the december meeting that's when the review will be presented

[0:02:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh look to staff for uh guessing it on the timeline yeah um we are working through it

[0:02:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh we did discover a few issues we've explored further so um traffic initiated but uh there's

[0:02:39] there's some pressing goodness you generally made

[0:02:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): it time for us to bring that to this meeting but

[0:02:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): we do hope to bring it to the next possible okay is there a further question no so i'm sorry i

[0:02:54] here increase that you

[0:02:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): said you hope to bring it is still under review is that what you said

[0:03:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): we are we are currently uh in initiating the draft of the caching review um there are some questions

[0:03:07] that um you know answering so we will continue that that process to provide accurate information

[0:03:15] to uh the trust committee uh weren't able to get this onto this agenda okay um

[0:03:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): i just have

[0:03:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): two questions too shortly

[0:03:24] Voice 4: okay um is there are you getting an attorney view or turning a legal

[0:03:29] opinion for your review as part of your review mr chair there's currently no active legal review

[0:03:36] uh being sought so anything that we have obtained uh is already in hand

[0:03:43] the reason i asked the question is that um i had spoken to the staff

[0:03:49] about is my understanding of legal opinion was going to be sought

[0:03:54] Voice 4: is it isn't but that

[0:03:56] Voice 4: a legal opinion has been received by warren damon and i had spoken to

[0:04:01] Voice 4: warren damon

[0:04:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): um and actually said yes indeed he had received a legal opinion on the authority

[0:04:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the broader authority of the trust not just catching the post but the authority of the trust

[0:04:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): to regulate land as well as the water.

[0:04:18] And

[0:04:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): he had shared that it was absolutely clear

[0:04:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): that he wouldn't share with me the opinion,

[0:04:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I appreciate that.

[0:04:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): But I asked him if it supports the trust's right

[0:04:32] to be able to legalize dwelling on the harbor

[0:04:35] to understand the cash proposal.

[0:04:37] That's part of it.

[0:04:38] And he said, absolutely, that is the power of the trust.

[0:04:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): are you aware

[0:04:44] Voice 4: of that opinion

[0:04:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustees have you seen that i'll just speak to that briefly and uh

[0:04:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): by saying that um uh bylaw enforcement has the ability to seek legal opinions that are

[0:05:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): relevant in many cases to several local trust committees so in this case it would be relevant

[0:05:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): to all local trust committees and they can do that independently of of the local trust committee

[0:05:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): so we don't necessarily always receive um an opinion like that that's sought by by law

[0:05:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): enforcement um in general terms i'm aware that that there is a some opinion has been sought and

[0:05:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): that there is some jurisdiction and getting a getting a i think a clear briefing on exactly

[0:05:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): how that works is something i believe by law enforcement is in the process of doing to supply

[0:05:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): apply to all of the local trust areas and they do that at the general meeting of the trust i would

[0:05:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): think it would probably be at a trust council meeting and then um certainly if a local trust

[0:05:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): committee had further questions or something we could have an opportunity to have a discussion

[0:06:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): with thank you that's my last question you have a resolution which was discussed last time which

[0:06:08] which was no enforcement of any illegal dwellings

[0:06:12] until all demographics are able to have affordable housing

[0:06:17] in perpetuity in remember the resolution

[0:06:19] subject to certain conditions.

[0:06:22] Voice 4: I'm wondering, and maybe it should be directed at Warren,

[0:06:26] Voice 4: do you know of any enforcement activities

[0:06:29] Voice 4: with regard to the enforcement of those conditions,

[0:06:33] any type of issues that have arisen based on,

[0:06:36] and therefore enforcement

[0:06:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): of illegal dwellings

[0:06:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): is occurring in some circumstances.

[0:06:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): Are you aware of any kind of enforcement actions?

[0:06:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): I would say that would be a question for Mr. Degman.

[0:06:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): There are cases where bylaw enforcement

[0:06:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): is specifically brought to the local trust committee,

[0:06:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): but there are plenty of cases

[0:07:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): where bylaw enforcement basically gives us a notification

[0:07:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): that a file has been opened and then proceeds with the actions,

[0:07:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): the local trust committee actually isn't to actively engage in those actions.

[0:07:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's generally we're notified a file is open,

[0:07:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then if there is a request for legal action,

[0:07:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): then it will come to the local trust committee.

[0:07:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): But again, as most of these situations are about individuals,

[0:07:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): then those discussions would be in camera.

[0:07:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I'll just leave you with I hope that

[0:07:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): the cashier can get seriously

[0:07:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): consider that there is

[0:07:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): a productive discussion when it is presented

[0:07:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): and considered

[0:07:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): by the trustee.

[0:07:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you for that.

[0:07:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): Does anyone else like to speak this evening?

[0:07:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yes, go ahead. Since we're telling

[0:07:51] Voice 4: about legal opinions,

[0:07:54] Voice 4: the great

[0:07:55] Voice 4: man has suggested one of the

[0:07:57] Voice 4: problems that led to the

[0:08:00] Voice 4: serious

[0:08:01] Voice 4: is cut back of bylaw 530 it was a concern of the legal opinion challenging that bylaw as it was

[0:08:08] Voice 4: originally being championed and i was just wondering i'd like to learn more about that

[0:08:15] Voice 4: one of the things i had heard that was something about the the bylaw scope was too extensive given

[0:08:25] Voice 4: the wording of the official community plan and that it's uh but i was left with the implication

[0:08:34] Voice 4: that if the bylaw as it was presented last spring uh late last spring had gone forward but with a

[0:08:43] Voice 4: limitation on the number of dwellings um uh that um rather than as to where the dwellings could be

[0:08:52] Voice 4: been built and that it might well be acceptable and that it might be brought back with a cap

[0:09:01] Voice 4: on it.

[0:09:02] Voice 4: And I'd like your opinion to the extent that you can express themselves of the three of

[0:09:09] Voice 4: you on that matter.

[0:09:13] Voice 6: Christine?

[0:09:14] Voice 6: Well, I think Stan was

[0:09:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): closely watching the task force last term.

[0:09:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think the recommendation for the task force at the beginning was always to limit

[0:09:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): the numbers.

[0:09:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): cast a wide net limit the numbers that was what we kept saying over and over again and um and that

[0:09:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): was the challenge that we put forth to staff was we kept asking how can we limit the numbers and

[0:09:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): the only method that kept coming back was make a map and make you know that was the method that

[0:09:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): was was brought to us uh we all saw the methods that they use in the san juan islands which is

[0:09:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lottery system where you know they cap a number and people can apply and then they they use that

[0:09:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): to control the numbers um but right now there hasn't been any other method brought to the table

[0:10:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): other than using a map why

[0:10:07] Voice 4: not there's no limit we will approve the first 300 period we keep we

[0:10:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): keep asking for those type of things and there just isn't a legal mechanism available to us

[0:10:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): is the

[0:10:16] Voice 4: challenge there is one legal well one legal possibility while this has been going on

[0:10:22] Voice 4: in salt spring in my opinion is not doing what it should for housing the province said it's a level

[0:10:28] Voice 4: has indicated communities of ten thousand and more um would be operating under arrangements

[0:10:36] Voice 4: which would allow auxiliary dwelling units as

[0:10:41] Voice 1: the water is now structured

[0:10:42] Voice 4: uh apparently island trust

[0:10:44] Voice 4: communities are exempt from that one could really request on behalf of Salt Spring that Salt Spring

[0:10:51] Voice 4: not be exempt from it then there would be no conflict with the official community plan

[0:10:56] Voice 4: or am I mistaken in that regard? I've already written an email to the minister

[0:11:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): requesting an exemption well yeah the Salt Spring not be included they exempted all of the island's

[0:11:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust um from the density in the bill 44. it's a specific

[0:11:19] Voice 6: exemption um

[0:11:24] Voice 1: yes sir um who requested

[0:11:26] Voice 1: that exemption

[0:11:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh my understanding is that the the the province put that exemption in

[0:11:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): whoa let's take this place well and uh further than that i i actually bumped into uh uh to the

[0:11:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): the premier at uh the union dc municipalities conference in september at that time my specific

[0:11:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): question was about the uh the the way that island's trust had been accepted from the

[0:12:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): accessory dwelling unit grant program um and uh except for i believe i characterize it as being

[0:12:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): excluded rather than exempted uh it seemed to me that that was a a program that especially

[0:12:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): especially perhaps on Salt Spring, would have been seen some interest and maybe some uptake.

[0:12:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): But my experience thus far is that the province sometimes forgets that Islands Trust exists.

[0:12:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): And my request to the Premier, and I'll be echoing this with other ministers as I have the opportunity,

[0:12:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): is that unless there's a good reason to exclude the Islands Trust, for example, infrastructure type programs,

[0:12:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): then the default should be to include Islands Trust

[0:12:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): in these type of programs and funding

[0:12:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): which help access the housing.

[0:12:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): So my understanding is not that there wasn't a request

[0:13:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): from Islands Trust and I don't believe

[0:13:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): there was a direct communication about this.

[0:13:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): Trustee Kessler.

[0:13:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have written a letter as a local trust committee as well

[0:13:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): asking that we be included in the relevant actions.

[0:13:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): actions and i've also expanded extended through animals and that it's time for the minister to

[0:13:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): come visit salt spring and have a tour and come see us because i don't think we're understood

[0:13:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): that you know we just don't fit you know we are a community of over 12 000 people um and we just

[0:13:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't fit

[0:13:32] Voice 6: in being plumped in with excluded all the time

[0:13:39] Voice 1: i'm going to go over

[0:13:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): here following up

[0:13:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): on that i was just wondering who would be the person at the province that would make this

[0:13:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): decision to be at what level is this decision made and who from that trust be the person that

[0:13:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): can carry that message is it our locally elected trustees that have to do that work or is it

[0:14:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): somebody in victoria that does that work and if so who do we talk to because it seems to me

[0:14:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): we are on the short end of the stick all of the time we get less help for anything and we all

[0:14:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): know that our housing situation here is more dire than any other jurisdiction in the province of

[0:14:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): Colombia so if we're the ones

[0:14:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the most dire situation and we're being simple we'll give a

[0:14:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): $40,000 grant for Jimenez to put in accessory dwelling is nothing for the Gulf Islands who do

[0:14:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): we go to fight that battle with and how do we expedite that battle because the clock is ticking

[0:14:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): and it's getting harder and harder so my my uh first thought on that would be that most of these

[0:14:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): um most of this recent legislation is coming through the mystery housing so that's what would

[0:14:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): be where i would start um in terms of uh ireland's trust i would also start with the the chief

[0:15:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): administrative officer uh russ hox and pillar um certainly local trust committees can make that as

[0:15:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): we've done could make their you know own individual representations do we need to light a

[0:15:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): fire in your last or does he like his own fires uh well i think that uh it never hurts to have

[0:15:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): public input uh directly and uh i know uh trustee patrick is gonna say something there was

[0:15:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's one one issue in terms uh that i just wanted to point out that while salt

[0:15:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): spring can make a determination for itself to ask to be included um it actually for the

[0:15:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): trust area why that has to be a determination by trust council itself just patrick another

[0:15:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): never hurts to write ministers and ministers of housing and municipal affairs musical affairs

[0:15:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): as sort of the over-award of balanced trust and another mechanism that would be worthy of the

[0:16:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): community to look at is a petition to the legislature because that gets raised on the

[0:16:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): floor of the legislature so you know raising awareness is a good thing if

[0:16:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): we could get

[0:16:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): proper wording there's a whole bunch of us would head out and get a petition done real fast

[0:16:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): but we need to know who to send it to and the wording required

[0:16:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): So I had over here it seems to it's interesting to me that you know the bill from the province

[0:16:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): is talking about can use the 10,000 and then excluding the island's trust is there only

[0:16:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): one community of 10,000 within the island's trust so if

[0:16:40] Voice 1: we're just simply

[0:16:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): excluding Salisbury

[0:16:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): and Island and we already have a bylaw on the table which would address most of the

[0:16:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): concerns that are brought up from the province it makes me wonder who's lobbying the province

[0:16:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): to get us excluded if you're saying that it's not uh the trust council isn't lobbying the province

[0:16:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): to have us excluded uh our trust local trust committee is not lobbying the province who's

[0:17:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): logging the province is it staff is it the lobby groups that are currently opposing by law 530.

[0:17:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): it concerns me greatly that we're dealing with the situation we're only excluding salt spring

[0:17:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): because the rest of the communities don't truly fit within the province's mandate for that bill

[0:17:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): So why is Salt Spring being excluded? We're not talking about the Islands Trust. We're talking about Salt Spring being excluded. So how did we get that passed? It's ridiculous to me that we have a bylaw sitting on the table that's been on the table for years now, and the province is saying that this type of bylaw needs to be passed province-wide, and yet we can't just go ahead and do it.

[0:17:39] who's opposing it is it the

[0:17:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustees is it staff somebody's opposing it because the problems

[0:17:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): wouldn't just exclude it for their own benefit if they're trying to push it problems why there's a

[0:17:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): serious problem here and something whether it's the dark underbelly of the idlers trust whether

[0:17:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's the dark underbelly of lobby groups that are out there something needs to change here this is

[0:18:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): ridiculous that we're even having this conversation when it's being mandated by the province so you

[0:18:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): you as our trust council committee needs to find a way to push this forward this is absolutely

[0:18:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): ridiculous that we continue to come to these meetings to talk about something that everybody

[0:18:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): says has to happen so you need to tell us how we make this happen or you need to make it happen

[0:18:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): why don't you just okay please don't interrupt um so i just want to respond briefly and and

[0:18:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): what i will say is that staff will not be doing any lobbying on their own regard so if trust

[0:18:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): council which it hasn't directed staff to do that then then staff would do that but staff doesn't

[0:18:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): make that's a political decision that would not be staff i can't speak to what individuals or groups

[0:18:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): may have been loving the province or not i i don't know can i just ask one quick follow-up to that

[0:18:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): um it was brought up you know going straight to rest uh about you know putting pressure on him

[0:19:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): Does the CAO listen to public opinion or is it simply directing directions from Trust Council?

[0:19:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): That's a good question.

[0:19:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): In fact, if you want buy-in from all of Trust Council, then absolutely lobby Trust Council as a whole.

[0:19:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): However, I would say that my experience is that all types of public input are important.

[0:19:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): It may be that the CAO would direct a question to another department head, depending on what the issue is.

[0:19:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): But I would just say don't don't don't give up and and by all means engage your local trustees if you want sort of more more detail or more sort of thoughts about where to go with that.

[0:19:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): i don't know if trustees have anything to add no letters letters i directed the minister

[0:20:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): just to create a comment yeah why wouldn't you just i believe the cell phone why wouldn't you

[0:20:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): simply say it's going to be done if the executive councilman why they reject what they did why

[0:20:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): couldn't you say we're still doing it anyway what's the consequence they have to bring a

[0:20:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): lawsuit against you to stop it but you'd still be within the confines of this mandate from the

[0:20:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): province because you're over 10 000 why don't you just do it that's my question so i'll speak

[0:20:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): to that briefly um the executive committee uh approves gives approval after third reading of

[0:20:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): local trust committee bylaws and part of their checklist is to compare it to what the official

[0:20:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): community plan says and if if it doesn't match up with the community plan they are not to approve it

[0:21:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): by policy so what what so what you're suggesting uh i mean i understand what's behind it but in in

[0:21:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): terms of practicality we can't actually force a bylaw past that uh executive committee approval

[0:21:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): I guess I'm saying, I don't know why they would not, but if they don't approve it, why

[0:21:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): not simply go ahead and do it?

[0:21:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): What's the consequence?

[0:21:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): I understand that.

[0:21:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): Well, we

[0:21:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): can't make a bylaw, we can't adopt a bylaw if it's not approved through executive

[0:21:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): dignity.

[0:21:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): It wouldn't be legal.

[0:21:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): It would have no force in law.

[0:21:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): It was built in ADU and there was no enforcement.

[0:21:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): thing later on down the road if they changed their mind uh and said no you can't have that then that

[0:21:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): person could sue them because they got approval supposedly even though it wasn't legal yeah yeah

[0:22:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's there's it sometimes it seems a little byzantine but it is the system that we're dealing

[0:22:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): with uh bryce and then we'll come back over that same topic um so could our trustees inform us the

[0:22:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): public as to exactly what articles in the ocp that executive committee would have a challenge with

[0:22:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): i mean i've read her ocp front back multiple multiple times i do have experience in real

[0:22:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): estate in various jurisdictions i can tell you right now i don't see anything in that booklet

[0:22:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): that would stand against aud's being on this island so has anybody on our trust council

[0:22:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): will ask the executive committee would you or would you not vote to suit hypothetically if we

[0:22:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): were going to do it has that question ever been asked because if they don't have a problem they

[0:22:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): understand that we have a housing problem and want to help we know they do um what stops us

[0:23:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): from simply saying we are going to vote 530 through what would you do if we do that because

[0:23:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): they do have the option of turning their head and saying this is too important for the island for

[0:23:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): this formal aspect again i still would like to know exactly whether our ocp would stop anybody

[0:23:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): and voting through the bylaw 530. i personally have not found anything i've looked and looked

[0:23:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): and

[0:23:28] Voice 1: looked but if i'm wrong i'm going to be threatened okay um i

[0:23:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): don't know if staff has

[0:23:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): any comments we i would say that we've in the previous versions of staff reports uh

[0:23:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh previous to the the version that was recently given readings uh there was staff uh advice that

[0:23:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): it was contrary to some parts of the OCP so I don't know if you want to anybody can get back

[0:23:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's just I'm hoping that if we have more interplay between the public and the trustees

[0:24:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): but this big big issue that we can find a way I mean because then if there is something that's

[0:24:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): legitimate maybe we can lobby the trust and see if we can change their minds and say in this

[0:24:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): particular circumstance we need to talk about an event because we have a unique situation going on

[0:24:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'm looking for more knowledge so if i may mr chair

[0:24:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): from what

[0:24:28] Voice 1: i've seen from early on in this term in my view the bylaw is just as in line

[0:24:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the OCP as it possibly may be out of the way.

[0:24:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): My suggestion in January or early on was that we just amend the OCP

[0:24:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): where it needed to be amended to fit the OCP,

[0:24:55] Voice 1: or to fit the bylaw, and then go ahead and pass the bylaw.

[0:25:00] Voice 1: Seems very cut and dry and simple to me.

[0:25:04] Voice 1: I think

[0:25:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): I feel confident that it would pass any legal challenge at this point.

[0:25:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): and i'd be more than willing to vote to pass um file 530 and senate executive committee

[0:25:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): at this point in the form that it was prior to whatever that happened last evening and mr uh

[0:25:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): mr chair are you looking to respond to the use of inconsistency please do uh the uh the concerns

[0:25:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): concerns that have been raised previously and as staff understand the opinion on the matter concerns are primarily on zones in the uplands land designation this is pursued by OCP policy E.8.2.2.2 as well as the application of the precautionary principle to ensure that land use is not increased in areas that I know are concerned with supply of affordable water OCP policy C.3.1.2.2.

[0:26:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): 21, as well as policies specific to secondary suites, which by law 530 also addressed a comprehensive set of criteria to be met in consideration, allowing secondary suites is required in policy B42.4 and 5.

[0:26:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): i um the most considerable element of this um is primarily around that that issue of density

[0:26:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): question um primarily that they that any addition considerations of additional density in the salt

[0:26:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): spot assault free island be few and minor in nature so the substantial number of increased

[0:26:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): potential and this is really clear is that zoning amendments themselves must be must result in

[0:26:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): human minor um additionally known lots not additionally built so this is where

[0:26:54] the discussion really kind of fell apart

[0:26:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): i want to be clear that the ocp is a document that is

[0:27:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): adopted on salt spring island it is adopted by the salt spring island trust committee

[0:27:06] uh the current one was

[0:27:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): adopted in 2008. so there is a project funded to amend the ocp

[0:27:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): about the process um and i may mr chairman just remind um everyone here that um ocps are

[0:27:24] not only required to be approved by the executive committee which must

[0:27:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): acknowledge that it needs the policy stated they are officially required to be

[0:27:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): endorsed by the um minister of housing municipal affairs um because of that uh because of salt

[0:27:45] called Spring Island sits on the territory

[0:27:47] of the two First Nations, there is an obligation

[0:27:50] to ensure that the First Nations are consulted.

[0:27:53] It's not necessarily the case that First Nations

[0:27:56] object to any of this, certainly not in a blanket sense,

[0:28:00] but there is a,

[0:28:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): it is not a straightforward process.

[0:28:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): The expectations of appropriate courts

[0:28:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): have proven this time and again,

[0:28:09] that efforts to rush through OCP amendments

[0:28:12] amendments can result in considerable legal liability.

[0:28:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): So that needs to be considered, that an OCP, any amendment

[0:28:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the OCP in any community not required to submit to the

[0:28:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): minister must meet a certain threshold to be defensible.

[0:28:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): And in the honest trust in particular,

[0:28:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): we need to meet a higher standard potentially set up

[0:28:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): by the minister to propagate this process.

[0:28:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah follow up no chris i mean i truly understand that staff must follow the ocp

[0:28:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): you have no choice in the matter but i also understand that our ocp is a living document

[0:28:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's been changed before it'll change again someday so i guess my question is because we've

[0:29:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): been fighting so long and so hard for this um and i know tim that you're on the executive

[0:29:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): I just think if we could communicate with the citizenry a little bit better about here's

[0:29:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): the challenge like for example I'll just say ample water one of the first things that we

[0:29:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): put into the bylaw 530 was that you can't take a drop of water from the lakes or the

[0:29:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): systems you have to have another source of potable water whether it's rooftop catchment

[0:29:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): or well or whatever because it could be under van limitations in some areas of the island

[0:29:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): Um, so it seems to me in reading, I noticed some of those, I was going through it, Chris,

[0:29:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): that these are items that did not impact preserve and protect if they were adjusted to allow

[0:29:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): for AUDs and housing.

[0:29:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): And I guess my question is, are we working on that?

[0:30:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): feverishly right now and if not why not i'm working on deciding which one of these things we

[0:30:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): can massage or take to the executive council say look we understand that there's this in the ocp

[0:30:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): but we have a situation here that's pretty important um and it's when those situations

[0:30:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): pop up an ocp which is a living document it's constantly being changed every city town and

[0:30:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): village in the world constantly change them this might be a time for change and if we don't start

[0:30:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): working on change we'll never ever get there will we so i guess so i appreciate it thank you chris

[0:30:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): for telling me that that's enough for me okay if i may mr chair yes just to answer

[0:30:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): you

[0:30:47] Voice 3: know really it falls on the trustees that were elected staff can say what they want to say

[0:30:54] Voice 3: but at the end of the day it's up to the trustees to put

[0:30:57] Voice 1: forward motions to make this thing happen

[0:31:00] Voice 1: it's real simple yes you had another hand over here good

[0:31:06] Voice 5: question like i'm new to this whole

[0:31:08] Voice 5: thing so like y'all correct me if i'm wrong here but you don't want to ask your questions

[0:31:12] Voice 5: about housing and laura your answer was i sent an email i sent an email in the land business

[0:31:20] Voice 5: when my invoice goes unpaid a certain juncture i stopped sending emails and then you went on

[0:31:26] Voice 5: to say that you know oh the petition would land it right on the floor so what i'm curious about

[0:31:31] Voice 5: is how come you aren't asking us for the petition like you want some signatures i'll get you some

[0:31:37] Voice 5: signatures you want people to show up i'll get people to show up but for you to just quietly say

[0:31:43] Voice 5: in the town hall meeting oh yeah petition would go a long way how the hell is the rest of the

[0:31:48] Voice 5: island supposed to know that so why is the only form of communication that you know seems to be

[0:31:53] Voice 5: the ones like i'm just sending an email just send an email like there's nothing more that we can do

[0:32:00] Voice 5: you know why

[0:32:01] Voice 5: are you not asking us to sign a petition help you out bill

[0:32:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): 44 was just read

[0:32:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): in the legislature last week okay so

[0:32:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is hot off the press um that we have only just

[0:32:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): found out what's what's going on

[0:32:17] Voice 5: so this so

[0:32:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): this legislation is going through and being debated on

[0:32:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): the floor um i'm doing as i can as an elected official to influence those ears that could

[0:32:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): debate on the floor on our behalf um but it's you know i'm just identifying at this point it's now

[0:32:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): petitions are a possibility as bringing bring attention to the floor so i have had the

[0:32:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversation with other entities on the island that i have the capability of starting a petition

[0:32:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i expect there will be one so

[0:32:52] Voice 5: it's like for like this one issue but for all the issues and

[0:32:55] Voice 5: everybody you've had pretty stressed over the years like have you guys ever asked the island

[0:32:59] Voice 5: any islanders to sign a petition for you guys to help you out i

[0:33:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): don't think that's their position

[0:33:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): no i

[0:33:05] Voice 1: think it's our

[0:33:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): position to do the things so

[0:33:07] Voice 5: we have to make it upon ourselves to get the

[0:33:09] Voice 5: issue going if

[0:33:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): i may mr chairman just like to just get

[0:33:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): back into a little bit of order here so

[0:33:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): So I'm going to go to Trustee Harris and then I'll look for a hand over here again.

[0:33:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): On the subject of petitions, I

[0:33:23] Voice 3: started a petition last term to go against the CDF Associated Ecosystems Project.

[0:33:31] Voice 3: And it went a long way. It got me to this spot right here in regards to Trust Council.

[0:33:35] Voice 3: And we approved a whole bunch of stuff on, you know, for the community. Right.

[0:33:41] Voice 3: Right. So it's like it's petitions.

[0:33:44] Voice 3: But, you know, years of that, we don't like Bill 44 is hot off the press.

[0:33:49] Voice 3: It's not hot off the presses that we need housing at all.

[0:33:54] Voice 3: It's not hot off the press that the mandate of the Islands Trust is to protect the community housing and livelihoods as well.

[0:34:01] Voice 3: But what happened last term? What do we see?

[0:34:04] Voice 3: It's policy statement draft that attack our community.

[0:34:07] Voice 3: We saw the coastal Douglas burn associated ecosystems project which is full of invalid information that attacked our community and livelihoods, not only just all citizens but First Nations, local First Nations.

[0:34:19] Voice 3: So when I hear talk about this and that and, you know, I'm very frustrated. It's up to the trustees, we've been elected to do something, we shouldn't have to be asking the community to do petitions, we were elected to the project,

[0:34:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): a part of the democratic process we need to step up and do something for our community not put it

[0:34:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): off yeah i guess i'll hand in the back here did i know okay it was just a comment yeah all right and

[0:34:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh uh did you follow up so

[0:34:54] Voice 5: like what is the plan are you just gonna send some more emails

[0:34:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry you're asking me about bill 44 we do not vote on bill 44 that is the legislature mlas and

[0:35:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): And FBC, FBC Housing, we can influence as, you know, people just like you, we can influence

[0:35:14] Voice 5: our,

[0:35:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm sorry, we're

[0:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): talking about that, of that.

[0:35:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Bylaw 530, we have to respond to the staff reports, the information we have, and make decisions.

[0:35:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's on the agenda tomorrow, again, and we will see it again tomorrow.

[0:35:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): tomorrow. Yeah,

[0:35:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): I would just add, yeah, in terms of advocating for Salt Spring to be included in

[0:35:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): the provisions of the new brand new legislation, I would tend to agree that it's all well and good

[0:35:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): to hear from, for the, you know, the Minister to hear from the locally elected politicians,

[0:35:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): But I do agree that if there was a petition, a local petition for that inclusion that was signed by a lot of Islanders, that certainly would have some weight.

[0:36:06] Voice 5: Well,

[0:36:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): I don't know because I'm not the province, I'm not the minister.

[0:36:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): But my experience is that local trustees sometimes get traction with the province and sometimes do not.

[0:36:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): however petitions with hundreds of signatures or hundreds of letters are impossible to ignore

[0:36:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): at the province that's

[0:36:30] Voice 5: really curious because like my own family has sent you guys letters

[0:36:34] Voice 5: with hundreds of petitions that the islands trust has ignored for 30 years so that's

[0:36:39] Voice 5: really unique statement but maybe it depends on changing moving forward

[0:36:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh yes i'll go here and then you know here yeah so just a question again

[0:36:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): in the following very good presentation is what is the items trust plan to address the housing

[0:37:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): crisis i mean we have 530 but do you have is that is 530 the plan to get something adopted there or

[0:37:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): are there more steps because i guess what we're asking is what are the action items what is the

[0:37:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): timing you know what are the deliverables anyway what is going to happen to address the housing

[0:37:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): which is you know again what we're trying to do with cashing one sense with 530 or another sense

[0:37:28] and the fear of oh

[0:37:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): my gosh you know everybody's going to want to join the suite or something

[0:37:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): so we don't do anything or you know that's the issue so what is what's the trustee our trustees

[0:37:40] Voice 3: i'd love to answer this question thank you mr chair go ahead um unfortunately with what i've

[0:37:47] Voice 3: seen this year i don't think there is a plan and nothing is going to happen in the next three years

[0:37:52] Voice 3: we've already gone a year nothing's happened so

[0:37:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): see you in three years i i would beg to differ

[0:37:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): and uh and the uh our work plan and the next highest priority items for the local trust

[0:38:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): committee are the official committee to plan review and uh and we're going to be uh ideally

[0:38:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): working that in tandem

[0:38:16] Voice 4: two years uh

[0:38:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): i i'm i'm not saying it's that that it's quick and i certainly

[0:38:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): would not make any promises on timelines but um i don't my understanding no not being a salt

[0:38:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): springing but for from what i've what i've heard from people uh here is that um in any form bylaw

[0:38:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): 530 was never going to be a a complete uh solution to the housing issues and that part of the problem

[0:38:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the previous version of bylaw 530 as we discussed earlier was uh the way it didn't quite

[0:38:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): fit with the official community plan and the possibility that it might get turned down at the

[0:39:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): executive committee uh because it didn't so from my point of view that means that we need to get

[0:39:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): into the official community plan and and do a review that addresses the housing issues

[0:39:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): that the restrictions that are essentially imposed upon what bylaws we can pass based on what's in

[0:39:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): the ocp right now and i'm going to go here and then over here and then to back yes sir so we're

[0:39:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): talking about the ocp being a barrier to passing but we're dealing with the provinces moving

[0:39:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): forward with this we're trying to move forward with communities of 10 000 or greater you can't

[0:39:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): tell me that they don't already have a mechanism there that's going to deal with those things

[0:39:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): because there's going to be ocps in every one of those communities so there has to be a mechanism

[0:39:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): isn't built into that where they're either dictating that the ocp gets changed or uh that

[0:40:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's some way around it it doesn't make sense that they could mandate something

[0:40:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): broad broad is what they're proposing without the ocp you know issue being dealt with um

[0:40:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): and anyway so i i'd like to know what you think that looks like and i i sit here you know we keep

[0:40:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): going through this is there even going to be working families living for two years

[0:40:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): only funding it through the ocp you know people continue to leave the island my workers continue

[0:40:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): to leave um you know because they have their housing insecure i've got people living on boats

[0:40:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): i've got people living in trailers um you know every day people aren't showing up because they've

[0:40:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): had some situation going on because of the substandard housing that they're in and is there

[0:40:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): anybody going to be here in two years is there going to be anybody at the grocery store is there

[0:40:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to be anybody at the hospital like i get it it's two a two-year process or a three-year

[0:40:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): process or a five-year process or whatever it is but at some point we have to get past the fact

[0:41:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): that people actually need to live here we can't just keep kicking it down the road because that's

[0:41:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): what the process says now i get it it's a process that has to be followed but at some point we have

[0:41:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): to be humans and actually we have a major problem here we have people sick in our communities because

[0:41:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): of this and we're not doing anything because while there's a process it's going to take us

[0:41:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): two or three years it's time to move past this like there's barriers do

[0:41:28] Voice 3: the hard work make it

[0:41:29] Voice 3: happen if i mean we've elected you for this do it the lcp review of the housing section should

[0:41:35] Voice 3: take no longer than four hours to physically do and the procedure should take no longer than two

[0:41:42] Voice 3: months but as we've heard staff say earlier today one of the big key quotes from that um thing we

[0:41:50] Voice 3: heard from uh staff hutton is that the precautionary principle is it right and now i'm not a political

[0:41:58] Voice 3: guy and i don't speak in political terms but that sounds like some major stall tactic we don't want

[0:42:04] Voice 3: anything happening here kind of deal the big eye you know on this whole picture for years is this

[0:42:10] Voice 3: is all going to be a park right we've had staff last term running around doing developmental uh

[0:42:18] Voice 3: variance permit stuff with uh landowners saying oh no you don't even plan on doing this here

[0:42:26] Voice 3: you're going to not be allowed to cut a tree down we we actually need less people on salt

[0:42:32] Voice 3: spring island with that kind of talk has come out of people from staff like so you know don't make

[0:42:38] Voice 3: any mistake that there's people that want people to leave from here there's people in ngos that

[0:42:44] Voice 3: push and really make a difference in the democratic process here that are of that same mindset they

[0:42:50] Voice 3: want less people here like this isn't just process and anything that is in the process

[0:42:56] Voice 3: i would suggest that at least half of it is there purposely to stall and take time so i'm not the

[0:43:04] Voice 3: fund believer that we can address the OCP and do the housing section of it only physically do it

[0:43:09] Voice 3: four hours let's get on with it and fast track it through staff trustees have the power to do that

[0:43:17] Voice 3: is it going to happen I don't know could

[0:43:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): you just just a moment say 500 sure I think put a number

[0:43:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): just put that is a compromise for 530 right now um I'm gonna go to trustee Patrick but I just

[0:43:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): wanted to say to your point that if the province hadn't excluded islands trust from the legislation

[0:43:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): that just dropped then you're absolutely right if despite what it said in the ocp here or anywhere

[0:43:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): else that's coming to the province is the final you know in in in bc that the province can override

[0:43:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): those and is doing that so you're absolutely right if if violence trust was not excluded from that

[0:44:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): bill then it wouldn't matter what the OCP said and I'm going to go to trustee Patrick and then

[0:44:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm going to back out here yeah

[0:44:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean that's that's the bad part of us being excluded from

[0:44:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): from this legislation that's coming through so that's the whole purpose because we're not the

[0:44:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): only organization that's in our local government in this province that's been struggling with

[0:44:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): getting through these type of changes we sometimes think we are but we're not and that's why they're

[0:44:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): bringing this legislation in here so that they have this override where they can override the

[0:44:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): local process and say thou shall do it they excluded us so that that took that possibility

[0:44:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): away now we could still try to get it's the act is still going through the legislative process

[0:44:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is the time where we can influence and potentially change things so that maybe we can

[0:44:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): get that fixed i'm not making any traction i'm encouraging for others to help because

[0:45:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's a that's a possibility uh okay well i was going to say i was going to go on to his

[0:45:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): other point but just

[0:45:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): so does that mean then that if you know i i come back to the 10 000

[0:45:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know we're the only you're the only local trust committee in the book

[0:45:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah so shouldn't your voices be the strongest voice that's that's you know yelling and

[0:45:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): screaming from the rooftops and then so like you know have you guys as a committee entirely

[0:45:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): address this as loudly and as boldly as you possibly can knowing that we need to do the

[0:45:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): same thing well i'd say in terms of the legislation we haven't actually met since it came

[0:45:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): out um it's certainly within our powers to uh pass a resolution uh as a local trust committee to to

[0:45:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): request that we're we're not excluded from this legislation and that's something that we could

[0:45:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): could consider as soon as tomorrow if we chose to um so i hope that answers and then i'd like to go

[0:46:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh well

[0:46:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): i wanted to follow

[0:46:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): up yeah the

[0:46:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): limited number thing i'm i'm i'm with you i'm glad you're

[0:46:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lawyer so that's what because i like san juan island's doing setting a number then they have a

[0:46:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): date and you apply by that date and if they get more applications than that date they do a lottery

[0:46:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it works perfectly fine and i've been told we don't have a mechanism in law that allows us to do

[0:46:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): it i'm like well what who who would come after us if we just designed it and did it and that's

[0:46:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): something we can talk about tomorrow because i'm not giving up on that i mean that was what we

[0:46:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): always felt comfortable that you know if we could just say number x we're not worried about you know

[0:46:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we're going to be exceeding it and we can calm everybody's fear and and move on it just

[0:46:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): seems like a no-brainer and it's very frustrating that

[0:46:51] Voice 4: you couldn't do that back into something

[0:46:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): staff said we didn't have a legal mechanism like to to draw on you know like this law allows us to

[0:47:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): set up a lottery um it's the way the zoning laws are written and i'm and i'm not a planner

[0:47:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): staff may have to correct me is it's like an outright use it's a it's a bc is a got a different

[0:47:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): system than some of the other provinces do on the way that they they do it so the limitations isn't

[0:47:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): something set in statute that we can draw from and say we could outright give this use but then

[0:47:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): limit it through this mechanism and staff advised you that's what we were advised that there wasn't

[0:47:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): a legal mechanism to do such a thing there's a lot of illegal

[0:47:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): mechanisms hold

[0:47:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): on just a moment

[0:47:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): i see that stuff sounding sayer well quickly everything um that the local trust does as well

[0:47:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): as any other municipality any municipality in the province is subject to legislate the enabling

[0:47:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): legislation that allows it to exist which is handed down by the province the regulation over

[0:47:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): local governments and municipalities uh is apportioned under our constitution to provinces

[0:48:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): provinces delegate that power to councils and in our case the trust council um that is uh

[0:48:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): interested in a sub-delegated,

[0:48:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): trust me, quick

[0:48:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): notes on Canadian

[0:48:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): constitutional law and

[0:48:16] vaccine as it happens, but

[0:48:18] back to your question,

[0:48:20] why can't we limit the number of ADUs?

[0:48:23] The challenge

[0:48:24] of limiting the number of ADUs,

[0:48:26] so, for example, saying

[0:48:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): that ADUs are

[0:48:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): permitted across the island, except

[0:48:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): that there really need, let's say, 200 of

[0:48:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): them, is really

[0:48:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): problematic because we do have to codify

[0:48:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): it in a bylaw and say this is allowed so now i have a realtor going out and saying okay this

[0:48:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): is allowed there's only 200. and then they come to the office and they say how many adus do you have

[0:48:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): and we don't have systems right now um and and we don't have the infrastructure in the back end to

[0:48:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): track the number of views it's not a viable solution it would create all kinds of service

[0:49:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): issues for us so that was the what we told um staff back in the spring that it is it is

[0:49:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): extremely challenging and there is no clear path this time to create some type of scheme where we

[0:49:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): would allow zoning on a broad scale uh but limit its number i don't understand so you're saying

[0:49:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): well

[0:49:20] Voice 1: i'm sorry it's a

[0:49:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): sensory dwelling unit oh yeah so that's that's pretty much the bottom line

[0:49:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): Now, when it comes to the lottery system, the question was recently asked to me, and the challenge is that British Columbia does have a structure where we permit the use when we undergo permitting for development itself in many provinces and many other jurisdictions.

[0:49:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): This is simply development to development development building is probably going to

[0:49:55] be a separate stage of performance, but overall the concept of the development is committed.

[0:50:02] So the lottery system is is challenging in that it would be we're

[0:50:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): simply rather than

[0:50:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): maybe a more feasible system which was suggested previously was that a policy set of criteria

[0:50:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): If they met certain criteria, those would be basically slam-dunk applications for rezoning.

[0:50:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): You still have to rezone the property, but they would just be a lot less contentious if there's an legislation that would allow you to continue to consider them in a few-and-minor fashion.

[0:50:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): That's a possibility, but creating a lottery system where we have 10 people bidding to, or let's say 50 people, bidding to build,

[0:50:46] 580 unit plus island um well we're now reviewing instead of five rezoning applications that are

[0:50:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to be complete and have all the material required we're now running a program

[0:50:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's operated by staff that have to review 50 development applications um and

[0:51:04] uh and make a recommendation to to ltc about which one should we prove um so easily and practically

[0:51:13] speaking, the suggestion

[0:51:15] can be that

[0:51:15] if we have

[0:51:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): what is

[0:51:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): in bylaw 530 right now, it meets

[0:51:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): the OCP,

[0:51:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): and it generally muddles through the process

[0:51:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): and will be the First Nations.

[0:51:27] You've got the regulations

[0:51:29] for

[0:51:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): ATUs and

[0:51:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): secondary suites put away.

[0:51:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): The process of developing a policy

[0:51:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): that would allow

[0:51:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): for people to easily

[0:51:38] apply for and

[0:51:40] simply make the checklist and

[0:51:43] and essentially complete, would actually

[0:51:46] be compliant with the U.S. Supreme Court.

[0:51:49] Or allowing for actually requiring

[0:51:51] the waiver of the public hearings.

[0:51:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): We could probably, early days, in terms

[0:51:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): of what that legislation means, in terms of consistent,

[0:52:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's going to be a really hard one to define.

[0:52:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): But it may be possible to waive public hearings to do that.

[0:52:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): But that's a different program.

[0:52:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): So you can finish the U.S. Supreme Court,

[0:52:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): you can finish by 530.

[0:52:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): and move on to some other system of expanding ADUs in a managed way.

[0:52:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): That would be the way.

[0:52:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): But the number, the absolute process is really a challenging

[0:52:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): and likely not efficient process.

[0:52:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's administrative concerns, what you're saying?

[0:52:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): You're saying it's an administrative challenge.

[0:52:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): Is that what I'm hearing?

[0:52:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's operationally more challenging.

[0:52:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, but it's not illegal.

[0:52:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): Legally speaking, adopting in large number,

[0:52:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): but zoning land in large numbers is not consistent with the bishopric in a direct worthy thing

[0:52:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know if you're going to consider additional density the additional lots zone must be few in

[0:52:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): mind okay now that's the point i'd

[0:52:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): like to question okay i i'd like you to to just wait your turn here

[0:53:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): i know there's hands in the back here and so so i'm going to go i'm going to go to you in

[0:53:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): the back here and then i'll come to you to hold your question okay there'd be multiple things

[0:53:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): that i wanted to step in and just speak i'm not uh because that's my nature thank you for

[0:53:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): finding your turn yes um

[0:53:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): and so what i see it at the moment is remember when i'm with bill 44

[0:53:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): it ain't over until the lady says okay so there's still a chance to get that modified and so forth

[0:53:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): and i really really want to know who put uh who asked for exclusion right because somebody did

[0:53:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): they they they threw a broad net somebody said no stop that at this particular point there has

[0:53:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): to be somebody was it i don't trust council who the hell was it that uh decided that we shouldn't

[0:53:52] be

[0:53:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): in there okay it just they just didn't think of it randomly okay so that one would be really

[0:53:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): important to find out and maybe not

[0:54:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): those people who ever had the concern

[0:54:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): and objected to it

[0:54:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's a valid concern that should be

[0:54:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): listened to okay we've got to know

[0:54:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): who it is and so forth

[0:54:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): and the next thing is

[0:54:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): if it's the OCP

[0:54:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's still a problem right

[0:54:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): even if we do get included

[0:54:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): in it but the OCP you know is still

[0:54:20] going to be a problem

[0:54:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): or trust council

[0:54:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): do we have to change the entire OCP

[0:54:26] or can we just not do it in a minute

[0:54:28] Right. As Jamie was saying, just do an amendment to the OCP and get it done.

[0:54:34] I don't I don't know. Is that is that a question

[0:54:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): for staff or what's the take to do an amendment to the OCP?

[0:54:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): So I'll just speak to your first point. It's definitely not trust counsel that did definitely not ask to be left out of Bill 44.

[0:54:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): for um i don't know for sure but my suspicion would be that it would be someone in the municipal

[0:54:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): affairs office that said hey hey wait a minute well maybe but but that's had hey wait a minute

[0:55:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know what about islands trust um well no but

[0:55:12] Voice 3: i don't know

[0:55:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): i don't know that that answer for sure

[0:55:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): because it's hard to know exactly you know who i can't think of who else in the province would

[0:55:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): would speak up thinking of Islands Trust

[0:55:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): besides someone in municipal affairs.

[0:55:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): And then your second question,

[0:55:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): I think was more of a staff question.

[0:55:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yes.

[0:55:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): Which was about the potential for just amending parts

[0:55:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the OCP rather than an entire unit,

[0:55:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): which would take years and years and years.

[0:55:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): Mr. Hudman would speak to specific,

[0:55:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): amending specific parts of the OCP.

[0:55:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yeah, I mean, the engagement process

[0:55:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): process in the legislative process in in OCP doesn't matter what size it is our engagement

[0:55:56] must be scaled to the scope of the amendment but if its impact is such that we don't invest in

[0:56:04] engaging with the parties that we

[0:56:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): should have then that becomes subject to challenge so that's

[0:56:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's the issue primarily and the biggest obstacle is is likely the process of having

[0:56:17] thank you um and again um not that all first nations are opposed or even have opinions about

[0:56:22] it um but the 13 first nations um we would have to engage all 13 of them in order to engage that

[0:56:29] trust our lcc are they the ones that that say we want to amend the ocb yes okay so if they did that

[0:56:37] right this is what we would like you to do then we would hear the objections that would maybe say

[0:56:44] oh it's a bigger picture than just that

[0:56:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay but until we do that we don't know we're speculating

[0:56:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): that there's going to be all kinds of objections and problems and all that kind of stuff which

[0:56:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): might not be the case so is what's it going to cost us to have the lpc ask for an event at the

[0:57:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): ocp if i may mr chair i've been asking for this since i got elected and from i've heard from

[0:57:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): staff and

[0:57:12] Voice 3: from previous trustees that it should take no longer than two months to proceed

[0:57:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): with it.

[0:57:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): Unless

[0:57:17] Voice 3: there's an objection, of course.

[0:57:19] Voice 3: Well, even if there's an objection, it just takes two trustees to say, well, we've heard

[0:57:22] Voice 3: your objections and we now feel that this is what's best for our community, so we're

[0:57:25] Voice 3: going to go ahead and pass this, except for the First Nations.

[0:57:29] Voice 4: No, same.

[0:57:31] Voice 3: As long as we hear and we take into consideration everything they're saying and we wait, unless

[0:57:36] Voice 3: or some something you know whatever it may be but still it's up to us we weigh what people

[0:57:42] Voice 3: have to say we take that into consideration and then we do what's

[0:57:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): best for our community

[0:57:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): pardon trust council doesn't have a vote the executive committee exactly yeah

[0:57:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then uh just for a process uh clarification so for example if the local trust committee

[0:58:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh said to bylaw to the executive committee which the executive committee uh turned down

[0:58:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): i believe the local trust committee could uh go

[0:58:15] Voice 1: to trust to

[0:58:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): go to the trust council and ask for

[0:58:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): an appeal for that so there is there is potential at some point that that trust council as a whole

[0:58:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): could weigh in on it but that's i don't know that that happens very often i'm going to go to trustee

[0:58:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): Patrick I know you've had your hand up and then I'm going to go to Bryce so we'll we'll keep it

[0:58:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): moving that direction what's

[0:58:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): changed significantly even in just the last four years has been the the

[0:58:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): OCP uh the the bar in which the province is expecting us to get over in terms of the consultation

[0:58:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the OCP. That has changed dramatically. The province has turned down a local trust

[0:59:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee's, not ours, attempt to do a minor amendment to their OCP on the grounds of

[0:59:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): consultation. So, like I said, that bar has changed. We are ready. We're funded. We have

[0:59:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): the money. We even have a significant grant that we're going to be talking about tomorrow

[0:59:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): tomorrow to kick off this OCP work while we've used the word review it's a focused review with

[0:59:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing being the primary reason for opening up the OCP so we've got the money we've got the process

[0:59:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so we can start that and do it and like I said there is a pretty high bar but we've got

[0:59:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): to get over that bar and then we should have the confidence of getting that passed yeah I'm

[0:59:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm gonna move on to you, sir.

[0:59:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay.

[0:59:59] Voice 4: I listen to.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: and certain thoughts come to mind.

[1:00:03] Voice 4: One is that perhaps the dean of the School of Planning,

[1:00:05] Voice 4: if you, Vic, will have a lot to answer to his maker

[1:00:08] Voice 4: when that time comes.

[1:00:11] Voice 4: The idea of putting the process over to people

[1:00:14] Voice 4: is one that personally caused me to become nauseous.

[1:00:18] Voice 4: And I like to think that emergency conditions

[1:00:25] Voice 4: require action.

[1:00:26] Voice 4: One of the actions that I could see, and I would not see, under the conditions that exist

[1:00:35] Voice 4: in British Columbia now, that if you interpreted that few and minor to apply to antipersons

[1:00:42] Voice 4: and not to lens setting, that it would be rejected by another body.

[1:00:48] Voice 4: At least I think it's worth a try to see if they are rejected by another body.

[1:00:54] Voice 4: Because unless something is constructed and done by this group soon, you can count on

[1:01:00] Voice 4: every month for the next three years, you're going to hear the same thing from people like

[1:01:06] Voice 4: me.

[1:01:06] Voice 4: But they may not be as polite after time due to their frustration.

[1:01:10] Voice 4: So I would suggest that one does not succeed in getting Salt Spring included in the new

[1:01:20] Voice 4: legislation that um one uh conduct a legal test do it and and and see what happens because uh

[1:01:34] Voice 4: conditions change over time uh housing emergencies exist people matter thank you

[1:01:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): price um we'll follow up what stan said um there's no doubt in my mind i've been actively involved

[1:01:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): the years on the housing task force that all three of you care incredibly about this island

[1:01:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): about a house we all know that you do you're concerned about executive tim you're or you're

[1:02:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): concerned about what the violence is doing right now with their documents jamie just wants us to

[1:02:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): damn well vote have it done with and chris understands that there's a process that

[1:02:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): anybody in his position must follow so i think we all heard that very clearly

[1:02:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): so my suggestion is the winds moving in the direction that we all want to move have never

[1:02:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): been blowing harder than they are right now in the province everything you hear from the premier

[1:02:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): and from every other person in the province housing housing housing housing housing if there

[1:02:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): was ever a time for us to simply take the bull by the horns and say okay we are voting 530 through

[1:02:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then we will fight every battle that follows if if there is a battle and we're not going to

[1:02:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): worry anymore about if there's going to be a battle because the people that are being hurt

[1:02:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): month by month on this island the young people i'm not getting hurt by anything

[1:03:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): quite fine thank you very much but i don't want to go to that island a bunch of people

[1:03:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): that look like me it's too depressing i want i want some young people on this island i want

[1:03:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): the golf course to be able to keep an higher staff. I want everyone silent to be able to

[1:03:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): move forward. And if the rest of the province is moving forward, and they are, there's going

[1:03:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): to be one or two people somewhere in this system that are stopping us. Chris knows that

[1:03:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): if he has the support of the province and you guys and everybody else, he can whip through

[1:03:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): that OCP. He can fix it. He's a professional. He knows that. But he can't do it without

[1:03:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): your support and he can't do with the assurances that he's not going to break the law in the

[1:03:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): province of British Columbia but he can do it we all know he can um we can put together a system

[1:03:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's not complex for the staff that work in planning on this island it doesn't have to be

[1:03:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): complex we can make it very simple we can put a system together that's universally fair to every

[1:04:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): everybody on the island owns every different type of lot but at some point in time if we don't

[1:04:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): simply take a vote and say

[1:04:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): we're moving forward with this and then we will

[1:04:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): find out. Then and only

[1:04:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): then will we find out who

[1:04:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): are the people stopping us or trying

[1:04:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): to stop us. And maybe there isn't

[1:04:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): any.

[1:04:22] Voice 4: So would you please

[1:04:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): consider taking a vote on 530

[1:04:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): letting caution go

[1:04:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the wind because the winds are blowing in everybody's

[1:04:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): direction. Vote it through

[1:04:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then let us find out

[1:04:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): who the people who are

[1:04:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): not thrilled about it be. Maybe it might be

[1:04:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): the executive committee and then we know who we have to talk with and convince it might be the

[1:04:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): province and we have to know we'll send laura over and she can talk talk to convince them about why

[1:04:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): this is a really big problem on this island for a whole bunch of innocent people who don't deserve

[1:04:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): this period right but

[1:04:55] Voice 3: unless we vote it through unless we absolutely vote it through we will never

[1:04:59] Voice 3: know who we have to discuss it could

[1:05:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): be it could be as chris says it could be one of the native

[1:05:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): of groups that says we don't understand we're angry about this well there's no way to fix that

[1:05:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): problem by not knowing what the problem is is there so to me it's very ridiculous that we don't

[1:05:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): simply vote this through to be quite honest because right now as trustees you're losing

[1:05:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): the confidence of all the people on this island the people in this heaven are not happy right now

[1:05:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): they're really ticked um so let's vote it through and find out who we have to convince or deal with

[1:05:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): and let's fix any little repairs we have to fix but at least everybody in the island will know

[1:05:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): we're slowly moving forward because when we committed 530 i'm going to repeat it at nozzle

[1:05:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): our committee said you get one of four things you can have a tiny home parked on your lot

[1:05:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): you can put a suite in your basement you can put a suite in an outbuild or you can build a 900 square

[1:06:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): foot little cabin or less those are the four things you only get one thought about chris and

[1:06:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): the staff when we were doing this we said okay how do we make this so our planning staff don't

[1:06:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): have to deal with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these applications you make it simple

[1:06:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): we write into our bylaws that if i want to put a tiny home on my property for example i simply come

[1:06:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): into Chris's office say hi Chris here's my land denominator I'm putting a tiny home on it's marked

[1:06:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): down nobody else I can't get anything else I'm limited to my one tiny home so nobody you know

[1:06:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): plays the system no water from North Salt Spring water system or any other water district put that

[1:06:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): in so there could be no concerns there so you have to have well water or you have to have well water

[1:06:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): trucked in from somewhere else or you have to have rooftop catchment so we're not putting a burden on

[1:06:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): worldwide and the only thing we say you have to have set to disposal so your land has to be able

[1:06:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): to support an extra thing we gave all the reasons why this was a good thing a young couple can buy

[1:07:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): a lot they then can think about parking a tiny home which would allow them to build the house

[1:07:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): they want to build maybe a year or two earlier an elderly person can age in place because they

[1:07:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): can allow a young couple live in their basement suite and then mrs jones doesn't have to be

[1:07:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): afraid at night anymore and she doesn't have to move her city someplace else to find a nursing

[1:07:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): home it helps every single category and then even more important we have housing for a hospital

[1:07:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): staff i have a nurse that stays in my house for free right now whenever he can make a shift he's

[1:07:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): a senior charge nurse he wants desperately to move to this island he's been staying in my house for

[1:07:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): a year that's my little gift to the hospital he's a really great guy and every night when he comes

[1:07:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): back when we talk i said how's it going how many people on your shift i don't i can't remember in

[1:08:00] Voice 3: the last six seven months he's ever come in and said i had a full shift there's lots of times he

[1:08:05] Voice 3: said i've been working on a 40 shift now

[1:08:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): there were 60 of the people that were supposed to be

[1:08:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): there in our hospital are not there because they can't buy housing or can't get housing

[1:08:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): it. The fairies can't find people. The teachers are having trouble being on this island. Firefighters,

[1:08:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): every single person. I mean, you all know all this. Our three trustees all know this,

[1:08:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): and the Justice Department, I know you guys are as I am. But if we don't take the vote

[1:08:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then find out who's going to come at us, because maybe nobody will. And anybody

[1:08:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): that does, we have the full bore of the entire province of British Columbia saying, fix housing,

[1:08:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): fix housing, fix housing. We have all of North America basically saying, we got to find a way

[1:08:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): to help people with housing. If there was ever a time in the history of trustees to take a vote

[1:09:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): that wasn't perfect, I acknowledge it's not perfect. This is the time to take that vote.

[1:09:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): So I'll shut up and I'll just say one more time. Would you please vote 530 through as written, as written, not watered down, as written, and let's see what we can do with it after the fact.

[1:09:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): And I promise for myself and all the other people in the task force, if you need support from the citizens, my God, we will be there backing you up. We will go to the Premier's office if we have to. We'll make sure that Chris and all of his staff don't get any slings and arrows underneath this stuff.

[1:09:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): We will fight for what we need on the island.

[1:09:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): Please let us know.

[1:09:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): Please.

[1:09:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): I have a question.

[1:09:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yeah, just a moment.

[1:09:46] Voice 3: So with 530, at the last meeting, did we not rescind this first and second reading of bylaw

[1:09:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): 530, or did we just rescind the second reading?

[1:09:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): Second.

[1:09:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): Second.

[1:09:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): Second.

[1:09:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): So procedurally, we would have to vote, we'd have to have a second reading again, which would mean more consultation with everybody?

[1:10:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): Consultation is at the discretion of LTC.

[1:10:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): If it hasn't been recommended by staff, it's at the option.

[1:10:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay.

[1:10:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): So there would be, so procedurally, there would need to be a second reading, waive public hearing, and a third, or would there have

[1:10:22] Voice 1: to be a public hearing again?

[1:10:24] Voice 1: yeah if you would recommendation would

[1:10:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): be that if you wanted to move forward in regardless of

[1:10:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): the bylaw that you choose um would be to read the second time and request the staff to schedule a

[1:10:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): public hearing and go into third reading it would be but it would be possible to

[1:10:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): waive public

[1:10:55] Voice 1: hearing and have third reading i mean it would be you can do that um it would not

[1:11:04] be recommended by staff

[1:11:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's probably worth miss the hearing from the community in that situation

[1:11:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): right now whether or not you hold a public hearing is the legislation does allow as we discussed the

[1:11:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): last meeting is another application. It doesn't allow LPCs to choose the way the bylaw is

[1:11:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): consistent with the OCP. Did we not already have public hearing for bylaw 530? Not for this public

[1:11:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): hearing, no. And so there is a requirement that public hearing.

[1:11:37] Voice 3: We had the second, we had the

[1:11:39] Voice 3: second greeting.

[1:11:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yeah. And then did we not have public hearing? We never had public hearing.

[1:11:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): was all the audio okay okay pre-divergent biological obviously obviously that's an

[1:11:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): occurred substantially since then which essentially um requires something okay thank you

[1:11:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay so i hand over here um

[1:12:01] Voice 5: just to follow those gentlemen here and also like maybe you know just

[1:12:05] Voice 5: being a little bit deeper and like the next generation of people down like i've been with

[1:12:12] Voice 5: mile of man for 20 years we left salt spring we came back because this is where we want to be and

[1:12:17] Voice 5: this is where we want to farm and this is where we want to raise our kids i own two companies and i

[1:12:23] Voice 5: run three other tradesmen out of my office and the amount of times that i get a phone call and i tell

[1:12:29] Voice 5: the customer we can't see it for two to three weeks because we got no goddamn employees that

[1:12:35] Voice 5: can live here if you guys don't figure it out and maybe take a page from our book because the rest

[1:12:41] Voice 5: of us are begging for forgiveness instead of asking permission on this goddamn island

[1:12:45] Voice 5: the Bible with which you guys were speaking of push it through because if you don't figure it

[1:12:53] Voice 5: out there's going to be nobody to keep your heat on nobody to fix your damn toilet nobody to keep

[1:12:58] Voice 5: the light going when you end up in the hospital there's going to be nobody there to take care of

[1:13:02] Voice 5: you and if you guys don't start taking it a little bit more seriously make it happen

[1:13:07] Voice 5: what are you going to do because there ain't going to be none of us left like we are doing

[1:13:11] Voice 5: everything in our life right now to keep our stuff together so that we can get a farm happily ever

[1:13:17] Voice 5: after but we're clawing our way and it's just like oh well you know it's due process it's just

[1:13:23] Voice 5: nothing but a bunch of bureaucratic jargon like for god's sakes push it through so that we don't

[1:13:30] Voice 5: have somewhere to live you know like the working folk the next generation the one who keeps that

[1:13:35] Voice 5: back on, get those turned on, like fight, make it happen, push it through, like what the hell are

[1:13:42] Voice 5: the rest of us supposed to do? I'm 35 years old, you know, like that's all, like just push it

[1:13:49] Voice 5: through, please, as like speaking on behalf of every human on this island that is my age,

[1:13:56] Voice 5: we are begging you to do this, that's all.

[1:14:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you, so to follow up on all of this,

[1:14:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): because it just gets down to this. What are you prepared to do as trustees? That's the question

[1:14:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): straight to you. You've heard the pleas, you've heard the need, you know the need. What are you

[1:14:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): prepared to do? I remember the movie Sean Connery asking Ellie Messer, you know you want to take

[1:14:27] down Lamar, you want to take down Capone, what are you prepared

[1:14:30] Voice 1: to do? What are you prepared to do?

[1:14:37] Voice 6: i'm prepared to vote

[1:14:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): um on it have a second reading waive public hearing and have a third

[1:14:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): reading

[1:14:43] Voice 1: that's what i'd be prepared to do i don't know that's me in person have to have some

[1:14:53] Voice 1: discussions tomorrow

[1:14:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): whenever we have decisions we have to listen to each other read the staff

[1:14:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): report have a conversation we also have to weigh some of the risks and figure out what what's the

[1:15:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): the way to go forward um like i've been behind as you know this process from the beginning

[1:15:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): we did want a way to limit the numbers we knew if we had a system to limit the numbers we could

[1:15:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): alleviate all of the concerns and things that could be raised um it's i'm still i'm i'm not

[1:15:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): willing to give up on that yet i'm i'm still curious and i've actually picked up other

[1:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): municipalities that want to work on that too of uh there's got to be a way to limit the numbers it

[1:15:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): just makes sense um if i i'm i'm a i was a risk assessor so it's it's you you weigh all the risks

[1:15:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we go forward with the full deal we already were given advice that we needed to make some

[1:15:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): amendments and those amendments haven't even been suggested to us or put on the table we were told

[1:15:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): to make some amendments so um it's been a bit frustrating because what are those amendments

[1:16:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): we could we could we could make what do we need to do to make some changes to the current version

[1:16:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): that would increase its success rate of going through the process so that there wouldn't be

[1:16:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): challenges it or if there was a challenge that it was more iron clad that it wasn't going to be

[1:16:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): potentially overturned um the so i was always hoping and like i said there still haven't been

[1:16:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): amendments but what can we do to improve the likelihood of success and i'm and i that would

[1:16:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): be nice so if it goes as is which we've already been warned is risky in the staff reports in

[1:16:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): things that says 50 50 chance of success 50 50 toss a point um if there is a challenge

[1:16:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's if it goes through the executive committee and it comes back to us for

[1:17:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): for adoption and someone puts down a challenge against it what happens to the bylaw just gets

[1:17:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's frozen?

[1:17:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): Someone.

[1:17:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): What's that?

[1:17:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): That's going to get a challenge.

[1:17:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): There has been a

[1:17:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): group

[1:17:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): that has threatened they would challenge it.

[1:17:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): So do they proceed and challenge it?

[1:17:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): If they do, then it comes to a halt.

[1:17:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's a legal challenge.

[1:17:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): So just saying, but it challenges and frustrates.

[1:17:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): because it may not be adopted yet.

[1:17:47] Voice 6: So we could lose, you

[1:17:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): know, 50-50.

[1:17:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): You're a lawyer, do you ever tell your clients,

[1:17:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): absolutely, you're guaranteed in front of a judge?

[1:18:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): You could win or you could lose.

[1:18:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, you always have to go into a legal,

[1:18:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): always need a legal case.

[1:18:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just saying I'm a risk assessor.

[1:18:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): You have to balance.

[1:18:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): You can't always assume you're going to win, could lose.

[1:18:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): and if you lose what does that do to you for getting where you're going i would

[1:18:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): like to know

[1:18:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we're putting forward a bylaw that's not going to be turned down by ec

[1:18:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): and is going to go through the go through the process and be um strong so i don't want a

[1:18:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): weakness i don't we should put something forward we know is going to make it through

[1:18:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): um that's how i feel you're asking me how i'm feeling how i'm going to vote tomorrow i don't

[1:18:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): know yet i'm keeping an open mind that's my requirement is to maintain an open mind

[1:18:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): so uh i'm i'm in the enviable position of potentially being a tiebreaker as the as the

[1:19:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): the chair of the local trust committee here obviously anytime that the two local trustees

[1:19:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): vote in the same direction, it really doesn't matter what I do in that sense.

[1:19:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): So my approach is to listen, but it's also to look at staff advice, compatibility with

[1:19:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): the OCP, compatibility with the object of the trust.

[1:19:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): trust that doesn't mean like any time that the two local trustees aren't on the on the voting

[1:19:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): the same way it puts me in a position where i really have to try and consider all those things

[1:19:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): i would think it would be fantastic if a local petition got to the province while bill 44 is

[1:20:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): still going and salt spring was not excluded from this new legislation then this would be just so

[1:20:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): easy um i'm well i'm willing to work with local trustees to find a solution i i tend to share

[1:20:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustee patrick's thought is if we're going to put work into something let's put work into something

[1:20:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): something that will get passed that will get passed through the executive that will get passed

[1:20:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): through the minister of municipal affairs one thing i've heard repeatedly um since i started

[1:20:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): being chair here is that bylaw 530 is not the solution it's a portion of it's a starting point

[1:20:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): and that the real meat of the work that has to happen in this local trust committee

[1:20:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): is the OCP review which as was mentioned can be a targeted review. We don't have to go in and look

[1:21:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): at every possible policy. We can go in and focus on the policies that are inhibiting the desire of

[1:21:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): the community to expand the housing options and we don't have to we don't have to do a comprehensive

[1:21:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): review. We can do a targeted review and and so my understanding from what I've heard in the community

[1:21:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): but i've heard from from trustees is that's where more options uh for housing on salt spring lie and

[1:21:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): so in that sense whatever version of bylaw 530 you know we decide on between the three of us

[1:21:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): whichever way that that plays out i'd like us to get whatever version that is off to the executive

[1:21:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): executive committee off to the minister as soon as possible and then start working on

[1:21:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): the on this targeted review of the ocp so i hope that explains sort of where i'm coming

[1:22:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): from i saw a hand over here first and then i'll come back over here so currently my understanding

[1:22:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): is that sort of violent enforcement such as getting you know recommended that they look

[1:22:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): the other way with regards to the issues of how things not getting well insecure in their

[1:22:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the current accommodation, whether that's dining home, whether that's trailer.

[1:22:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): We're sitting here saying that we're not willing to pass a bylaw to make some of that stuff legal.

[1:22:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): But then on the other hand, we're saying, well, we're also not going to enforce the fact that it's currently illegal.

[1:22:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): So are we not just in this perpetual cycle of really, if you guys actually do nothing

[1:22:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): and we continue to allow people to break the bylaw, you guys don't really have to do anything

[1:22:48] Voice 1: thing

[1:22:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): because you're ignoring the punishment and you're saying you're not going to do anything to

[1:22:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): fix the problem so does this even really matter i'm

[1:23:01] Voice 3: going to take that sure so i do see you know

[1:23:05] Voice 3: people are getting it worse against which things i for exactly what i don't know but like i'm sure

[1:23:11] Voice 3: peterson mentioned earlier

[1:23:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): bylaw 530 is the start to drop in the bucket really immediately

[1:23:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): like lots of folks very well educated they're saying that we're like 3500 units short

[1:23:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): easily by 530 we're maybe going to see 200 there's you know by all you know in

[1:23:32] Voice 3: all reality

[1:23:33] Voice 3: the end of the end of the day i mean yeah yeah there's gonna be like 200 like it's nothing we

[1:23:39] Voice 3: need so if we can't even pass 530 like yes i'm with you pass let's get on with it maybe we'll

[1:23:45] Voice 3: We'll see the challenge, like Bryce Chapman said from the housing task force.

[1:23:52] Voice 3: Let's just do it.

[1:23:52] Voice 3: If the challenges come up, then yes, we'll deal with the challenges then.

[1:23:57] Voice 3: But let's do it, get it done, and then get to some real work, because we need huge numbers

[1:24:01] Voice 3: here that aren't in, and we won't realize it by the 530.

[1:24:07] Voice 3: And yes, we're going to need to take back from

[1:24:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): the community, but

[1:24:10] Voice 3: it's up to us as trustees

[1:24:12] Voice 3: to figure out what's best for our community.

[1:24:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): the

[1:24:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): the regulation to turn the other ways are the the direction has been in place for a long time i

[1:24:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): know they there's a lot of people said we put that in place last last term we didn't that was put in

[1:24:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): by peter and george two terms ago um we expanded it

[1:24:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): last term because uh employers were coming to

[1:24:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): us saying we've got cook workers and trailers and the original uh turn your other way was about

[1:24:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): suites and cottages that and so we expanded it in last term to include other forms of um

[1:24:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): of housing to you know to give some relief to the employers that were asking for uh we added that in

[1:25:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): perpetuity thing as it put some pressure on the

[1:25:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): situation it was like how long do you think this

[1:25:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): is going to be around well until there's something better um actually the province was using our um

[1:25:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): resolution and showing it around other municipalities look what they did in salt

[1:25:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): spring they put this in place so it it has you know but it's that's not the solution

[1:25:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's like it does provide some relief to those that are using structures you know some are

[1:25:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): are getting visits because of complaints and other things, but there is that it can't have

[1:25:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): environmental or health and safety problems. But pushing forward, the key thing with going in and

[1:25:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): changing the OCP is going to be the relationships with First Nations. And again, from a risk

[1:25:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): perspective, it would be nice to know that we're putting forward a version of Bylaw 530 now that's

[1:26:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): not going to burn that bridge or to hurt our relationships with the first nations so that

[1:26:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can get into the ocp and make the changes that really will matter do

[1:26:14] Voice 5: you guys need a meeting with

[1:26:15] Voice 5: the kids like i'll get you the meeting with the kids

[1:26:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): we have already consulted with first nation

[1:26:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay i saw a hand of someone who hasn't spoken yet in the back so i'm going to go to the back first

[1:26:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah

[1:26:34] Voice 6: um i guess you're kind of addressing it now but to me it's it's kind of like we're waiting

[1:26:40] Voice 6: for two years for 530 to pass and now we're at a point where it's only going to create 200 new

[1:26:47] Voice 6: units anyways and then you're worried about it failing does it matter like

[1:26:53] Voice 6: the units don't exist

[1:26:55] Voice 6: anyways so i'm happy to take a 50 50 chance of getting 200 new units and if it fails then you

[1:27:02] Voice 6: just write a new bylaw that's better and take a little less time with it maybe you know like

[1:27:10] Voice 6: just like constantly like rewriting it and rewriting it and now it's at this point where

[1:27:14] Voice 6: like it's not even meeting any of our needs like i just don't understand what the issue is

[1:27:23] Voice 1: is

[1:27:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's not that the

[1:27:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): bylaw is creating the limitations the concept it's the overall

[1:27:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): challenges with housing this is this is where it gets beyond us i mean it's like you know

[1:27:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it is suffering here the cost of building these units is high i can tell you i'm someone

[1:27:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): someone who would rent a unit in 10 seconds flat i can't afford to build one i would if i could

[1:27:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): um so it's just so expensive and it's not even even if you could um build it's like says it's

[1:28:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): all the added costs so it's not just our bylaw that's in the way um if you add a connection to

[1:28:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): your well you now trigger the drinking water protection act and you have to have an operator's

[1:28:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): permit that's a sixty thousand dollar item um and you've got to get the building permit and

[1:28:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know that's now what step three or whatever the codes are that it's in it's just the cost

[1:28:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): the accumulated cost of building right now is insane so it's the the limitations that are are

[1:28:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): are as opposed to the system so it's not the um it just that's why that the uptake is going to be low

[1:28:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): is because it's highly expensive we were hoping for when we first brought by a lot to the plate

[1:28:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): was we also expanded the type of units that could be built which is the carriage house or the

[1:29:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the suite associated with an accessory building like over your garage or something

[1:29:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): like that because the CRD did do a feasibility study on the cost of accessory dwelling units

[1:29:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the most feasible option is a secondary suite so in a basement suite when you're in a house

[1:29:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): just not many of our houses have basements that have that easy conversion of turning something

[1:29:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): something into a secondary suite and also people who are living off in the acreage don't want to

[1:29:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): have somebody in their basement that they got to be tiptoeing about you

[1:29:42] Voice 1: know they want a little

[1:29:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): more privacy so a cottage or a carriage house becomes more feasible but we were hoping that

[1:29:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): there are people that have done that have either partly made a secondary suite illegally because

[1:29:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): because they, you know, they did it anyway.

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then the bylaw would allow them a path to complete the conversion so that both units are now functioning, working separate and it's legal.

[1:30:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you can, as the homeowner, have justified that expense to make that because now you can recover your expense when you sell the place down the road because it's legal to units.

[1:30:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then that sweep over the garage heard from a number of people that that makes a difference.

[1:30:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): because again it's cheapest a secondary suite the next cheapest is associated with an existing

[1:30:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): structure so

[1:30:36] Voice 6: you're saying that if someone wanted to build a cabin they can't just use the existing

[1:30:41] Voice 6: well they have for their house they're required to drill and be well

[1:30:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the cabin no they can

[1:30:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): use their existing well but the drinking water protection act only exempts the one connection

[1:30:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): So as soon as you add a suite or an accessory dwelling to your well, you trigger requirements under the Drinking Water Act.

[1:31:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's a provincial act.

[1:31:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're lobbying hard to get the province to change that.

[1:31:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think they're getting close.

[1:31:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): Like Washington State allows three connections to your well before they trigger the higher requirements.

[1:31:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And there's a sounds like the province is actually considering going to five, which will be fantastic.

[1:31:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): Well, can you? I'm in contact with Adam.

[1:31:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): I mean, he's the MLA. Have you?

[1:31:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): Would you speak to anybody familiar with him that you can pick up daily?

[1:31:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): daily. He's

[1:31:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): on my he's on my messaging.

[1:31:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): Maybe you speak to him to find out where this provision came from excluding, if he could find out the resources, where this 144 came from to exclude.

[1:31:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): It didn't. Oh, well, I don't know if you can talk

[1:32:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): to, but it didn't come from his office.

[1:32:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, but I know he

[1:32:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): could lobby. He represents this area saying, I don't know which genius put this exception in for Salt Spring Island, but get it out.

[1:32:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): i mean he's the guy or at least one of them

[1:32:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): he would

[1:32:17] Voice 3: definitely make it well

[1:32:18] Voice 3: we don't know that

[1:32:20] Voice 3: he would say that he's worked he's the green part in my life of the green oh no i spoke so he is

[1:32:24] Voice 3: he is for housing he's very supportive of the

[1:32:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): cashing proposal but have you

[1:32:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): spoken about bill

[1:32:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): 44 no i just got it right so if i may mr chair go ahead all right i

[1:32:39] Voice 3: mean that's as people were

[1:32:40] Voice 3: saying so somebody didn't ask to exclude the island's trust somebody asked to exclude salt

[1:32:45] Voice 3: spring as somebody has mentioned here tonight salt spring is the only community in the answers

[1:32:49] Voice 3: that has over 10 000 people so it's clear somebody was interested in something because the other rest

[1:32:54] Voice 3: of the island's trust doesn't doesn't count

[1:32:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): this account is a condition to do that yeah we don't

[1:32:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): know but i you know you're is that the right person to ask i don't know well i'm going to

[1:33:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): speak to me i'll see what i can do i i would just say that it probably doesn't hurt to ask your mla

[1:33:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): your uh any level of provincial connection that anybody has to to try and find that information

[1:33:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): out so i think my

[1:33:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): time was changed would that increase the wheels to get three if bylaw 44

[1:33:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): 44 did not exclude salt spring then those new rules would apply to salt springs so that's the

[1:33:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): target yeah that's the target i mean it's yeah if bill 44 didn't exclude the island's trust then

[1:33:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): specifically well yeah but because it excludes the island's trust as was mentioned salt spring

[1:33:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): is the only one in that 10 000 range at this point um so that was modified before it was passed

[1:34:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): all this discussion would go away absolutely so there will be suddenly be a a very different

[1:34:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh discussion here on salt spring about about housing options if if that if the province

[1:34:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): changed their mind about this that would be a very different i mean it'd be

[1:34:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): i think of the voices that's where it needs to be who exactly do you believe the legion spoken to

[1:34:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): for that to happen would it be a premier i would talk i mean if it was me uh going to advocate i

[1:34:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): would i would talk to the premier i talked to the minister of housing and i talked to the minister

[1:34:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): of municipal affairs as the three most important branches that that would have influence on on this

[1:34:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): when could our three trustees and any group of citizens you wanted to do make that appointment

[1:34:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): and move it go take care of it if that's thing is stopping us what's stopping us from going and

[1:34:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): having that conversation uh as as far as the local trust committee i mean that i think that

[1:35:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): maybe we'll have a new business item discussion tomorrow possibly about making some kind of

[1:35:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): advocacy let us know that you have made a decision three of you to fight for the citizens and you're

[1:35:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to go have a meeting at the premier whoever you choose and you say how many salt spring island

[1:35:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): people would like to tag along i guarantee you'd be there and there'd be press and we wouldn't be

[1:35:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): excluded anymore

[1:35:31] Voice 1: if

[1:35:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'm a minister of

[1:35:34] Voice 4: course of course but

[1:35:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): but but i think you know the simple

[1:35:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): answer to the earlier question is like yes if salt spring was not excluded from this bill 44

[1:35:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): big game changer i'm going to go to trustee harris

[1:35:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): where

[1:35:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): we would pass bylaw 530 as of in its original form and also go on bill 44

[1:35:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know at the same time that's what i would so that makes nothing but sense to me first you

[1:36:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): got to pass it and show the world that you're serious because if you don't even talk to him

[1:36:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): we haven't even passed the bill what does that look like to the premier if i'm sitting there

[1:36:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): talking to the premier about salisbury island which i read a while back it's just not enough

[1:36:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): money to keep the people in salisbury happy well

[1:36:22] Voice 1: we're not

[1:36:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): asking we are absolutely not asking the

[1:36:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): problems for any money we can solve our housing problems on the island and we don't need a bunch

[1:36:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): of provincial money so how about we go give the premier some good news and say hey get rid of

[1:36:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): Mr. Chair, if I may, I see a three-prong approach here.

[1:36:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): The bylaw 530, second hearing, waive the public hearing, third reading,

[1:36:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): approach the province about Bill 44,

[1:36:55] Voice 3: and amend the housing section of the OCP.

[1:36:59] Voice 3: Not a review, amendments.

[1:37:02] Voice 3: direct staff to amend the housing section

[1:37:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the ocp to facilitate

[1:37:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): a um non a non-legal uh conflict with vital 530 and citizens would all of us sitting here

[1:37:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): think that was a good idea because i sure think it's a good idea

[1:37:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay i'm going to say that we have on the back that hasn't spoken yet tonight yeah uh if you

[1:37:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): guys set up an appointment with the housing minister let me know what day to kick off work

[1:37:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): that being said i'm i'm a little bit concerned uh i read the minutes for the uh sorry i read

[1:37:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): the agenda for the meeting tomorrow and it contains this letter sent october 30th

[1:37:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the minister of finance asking to not immediately implement the speculation of

[1:37:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): vacancy tax but to pull up on that and do some research on that i mean that's a five-year-old

[1:38:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): tool that the provincial governments put in place to help open up housing how am i supposed to have

[1:38:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): faith that the new tool we can put in is one that's fortified in bill 44 when the five-year-old

[1:38:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): speculation of vacancy tax which has worked in other districts is oh well we still need to think

[1:38:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): about it on assault strength can you please do a little more research you know we don't work in

[1:38:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): vancouver victoria duncan and all these other places but let's let's think about it a little

[1:38:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): more like how am i supposed to believe that you're going to go to the meeting tomorrow

[1:38:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): talk a little 44 ago yes we endorse this dr

[1:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): packard we were exempt from from the the speculation and

[1:38:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): vacancy tax and happened for since it was created the purpose of that motion was to respond to a

[1:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): request by minister kalin who just said get the motion that motion made the province is considering

[1:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): expanding the areas they do that every spring they expand the areas and the motion was to add

[1:39:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): our voice the crd has already come out and asked that's what the reference to that

[1:39:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): column letter i'm aware of all these facts the wording was in there very specific i'm aware that

[1:39:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): that they're constantly adding in places.

[1:39:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): So why was our response or your response,

[1:39:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): please do more research for adding us and not add us, meh.

[1:39:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's just how they do it.

[1:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): The wording of the motion was generally as instructed

[1:39:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): by the minister on what, you know, they will take a look,

[1:39:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): they take a look and decide where to go.

[1:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think they're looking at Salt Spring.

[1:39:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was sort of the hints that were coming but they asked for the motion if

[1:39:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): i may mr chair yes

[1:39:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): the problem i see is that that tax uses a broad brush where all these people aren't the same

[1:40:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): that would be put under that umbrella there's people that live here on a property and they

[1:40:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): have a

[1:40:16] Voice 3: short-term vacation rental and that's how they pay their mortgage without it they wouldn't

[1:40:20] Voice 3: be able to interest rates have gone up you know they'd have to leave then there's cases where

[1:40:26] Voice 3: people don't live here and um or you know people are they live here part-time but they don't want

[1:40:34] Voice 3: to rent it out full

[1:40:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): -time to you know so it's not it's an unfair thing and my at this point and it

[1:40:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): needs to be it needs to be more targeted and not so broad sweeping um that's my stance on it

[1:40:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's a whole debate about that whole thing as to whether it's viable or not whether it makes any

[1:40:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): difference or not and as a realtor for over 20 years on the island i can tell you as far as i'm

[1:41:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): concerned it's not going to make i mean if somebody has a secondary home on the island a vacation

[1:41:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): cottage and so forth and all of a sudden they're going to get taxed you know more because it's

[1:41:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): vacant and they're not renting it out um i think they have the money to just pay the tax you know

[1:41:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): it really doesn't make any difference or they don't have the money to do that, they're not going

[1:41:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): to rent it out otherwise they don't want to be landlords that's all there is to it so they'll

[1:41:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): just sell it right which puts it on the housing market which people can't afford anyway so it

[1:41:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): really is not going to solve any problems if and the whole business about rentals all around it's

[1:41:44] all kind of up in the wind because most of the people where your uptake on this

[1:41:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): is so low is

[1:41:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): most people are absolutely terrified the landlord tenant act okay they're just screamingly terrified

[1:42:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): of it and there's nothing wrong with the app at all it's actually very old tenants and landlords

[1:42:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): landlords.

[1:42:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): The problem is that in order to resolve an issue, you can be three, four, five, six months

[1:42:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): in arbitration for which that landlord is not getting rent, and that's the whole issue

[1:42:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): there.

[1:42:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): I don't care if you can say you can build anything you want on the island anywhere.

[1:42:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): Your uptake is going to be really low because people are terrified of being landlords of

[1:42:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): the Landlord's Debt Act.

[1:42:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): The speculation tax is meaningless.

[1:42:37] it really doesn't mean

[1:42:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): anything okay so i don't think that's worth having any great discussions

[1:42:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): over if i may mr chair what is you know i've talked about this in you know pretty

[1:42:51] a pretty detailed fashion when i was running for this position um about the rental thing and

[1:42:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): and what we need here in the community and i think you're right

[1:43:02] Voice 3: um rental deal is it's a bit of a

[1:43:06] Voice 3: mess and the landlord tenancy act is really keeping people from renting to others that uh but um we

[1:43:14] Voice 3: need workforce ownership housing similar to what other jurisdictions have done we don't have to

[1:43:19] Voice 3: reinvent the wheel it's all there so that's

[1:43:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): something that hopefully the other trust could

[1:43:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): look at um and maybe it will be easier facilitated in bill 44 was uh we were included in that uh we

[1:43:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): do like other jurisdictions do the housing that controls um housing projects and the buying and

[1:43:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): selling of such strictly for the workforce okay anyone else like to say anything or asking

[1:43:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): questions thank you i'm not

[1:43:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): saying any more hands up okay well i just want to thank everyone all

[1:43:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): for coming out tonight and uh and uh letting us know where what you're thinking and it's

[1:44:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's very helpful especially for me as a as the outsider here trying to uh trying to learn more

[1:44:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): about what the important issues here on salt spinner okay so with that i will uh adjourn

[1:44:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): this meeting and uh we will be back at our regular business meeting tomorrow uh thank you 9 30. thank

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
November 15, 2023 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
 
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 
  
Location: Salt Spring Island Golf Club 
805 Lower Ganges Road, Salt Spring Island
 
  
 
Members Present: 
 
 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
Jamie Harris, Local Trustee  
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee   
 
Staff Present: 
 
Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Rob Pingle, Legislative Clerk 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder 
 
Others Present: Approximately 11 members of the public 
These minutes follow the order of the agenda although the sequence may have varied. The electronic 
meeting was live streamed and recorded. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
 Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. He welcomed everyone to a Special meeting 
of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee and introduced himself, the Trustees and staff. Chair 
Peterson humbly stated gratitude to live and work in Coast Salish First Nations territory. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted. 
 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 
Chair Peterson opened the town hall at 5:00 p.m. 
 
A member of the public spoke to the Clean and Safe Harbours Initiative (CASHI) presentation at the 
June 22, 2023 LTC meeting and asked when a staff report regarding the CASHI recommendations is 
expected to be presented to the LTC. The member of the public requested the LTC to seriously 
consider the CASHI proposal and asked whether there are legal reviews in process regarding the 
CASHI  proposal.  The  member  of  the  public  advised  he  spoke  with  Bylaw  Compliance  and 
Enforcement Manager (BCEM) Dingman regarding a legal opinion received on the authority of the 
Islands Trust right to legalize dwellings in the harbours and asked whether the LTC has received the 
legal opinion.  
 

 
 
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RPM  Hutton  reported  staff  is reviewing  the  CASHI  proposal  and  there are  some  outstanding 
questions that are in process, a staff report will be presented to the LTC at a future meeting and 
there are no current legal reviews regarding the CASHI proposal. 
 
Chair Peterson reported bylaw enforcement is authorized to seek legal opinions that are relevant to 
jurisdictions within the Local Trust Area. A legal opinion has been received regarding Islands Trust 
authority to regulate dwellings in harbours and bylaw enforcement will provide a briefing regarding 
the legal opinion to Trust Council. 
 
A member  of  the  public  spoke  to  the  SSILTC  standing  resolution  regarding  deferral  of  Bylaw 
Enforcement  on  unlawful  dwellings  and the  exceptions such  as  health  and  safety  concerns and 
asked whether enforcement of unlawful dwellings is occurring in some circumstances.  
 
Chair Peterson advised the LTC is notified when a bylaw enforcement file is open, requests for legal 
action are referred to the LTC and bylaw enforcement files are considered in closed meetings.  
 
A former member of the Housing Action Program Task Force advised there is community opinion 
that the scope of Bylaw 530 – Accessory Dwelling Units was reduced due to legal issues, and asked 
whether the LTC would support the original version of draft Bylaw 530 with a limit to the number of 
dwellings that would be allowed.  
 
Trustee Patrick spoke to the challenge to cast a wide net to legalize additional housing units and 
limit the numbers of Accessory Dwelling Units (ADU’s). Staff presented a map as the only option to 
limit the numbers of ADU’s in Bylaw 530. There are other methods to limit the numbers of ADU’s 
such  as  the  lottery  system  used  in the San Juan  Islands. Trustees  have  asked for  a  limit to the 
number of ADU’s based on a first come first serve basis and staff has not been able to provide a 
legal mechanism for that. 
 
The member of the public advised Salt Spring Island is not doing what it should be doing in terms of 
housing and that the Province has indicated communities of more than 10,000 residents will allow 
ADU’s although the Islands Trust has been exempted from the proposed legislation. The member of 
the public asked if the LTC could request Salt Spring Island to be included in Bill 44. 
 
Trustee  Patrick  reported  she  sent  an  email  to  the  Minister  of  Housing  regarding  including  Salt 
Spring in Bill 44 – Housing Statutes Amendment Act, 2023. 
 
A member of the public asked who requested the Province to exempt the Islands Trust Area from 
Bill 44. 
 
Chair Peterson advised that he asked BC Premier Honourable David Eby at the 2023 Union of BC 
Municipalities  (UBCM)  Conference, why  Islands  Trust  was  excluded  from  the Homes  for  People 
Action  Plan  Secondary  Suite  Incentive  Program.  Chair  Peterson  reported  Islands  Trust  did  not 
request to be exempted from Bill 44.  
 
Trustee Patrick advised the LTC has written a letter to request for Salt Spring Island to be included 
in the Homes for People Action Plan Secondary Suite Incentive Program. 
 

 
 
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A member of the public asked who is the best contact to advocate for including Salt Spring Island in 
the housing action programs.  
 
Chair Peterson suggested the Ministry of  Housing and  Islands  Trust  Chief  Administrative Officer 
(CAO) Hotsenpiller as contacts regarding advocating for Salt Spring Island to be included in housing 
action programs. 
 
Trustee Patrick suggested writing to the Minister of Housing, the Minister of Municipal Affairs and a 
petition to the legislature to request Salt Spring Island to be included in housing action programs. 
 
A  member  of  the  public  advised Bill  44  includes  communities  with  population  over  10,000  and 
noted Salt Spring Island is the only community with a population over 10,000 within the Islands 
Trust Area. The member of the public asked who is lobbying the Province for Salt Spring Island to be 
excluded from Bill 44. Bylaw 530 is sitting on the table and the Province is saying this type of Bylaw 
needs to be approved Province-wide. The member of the public expressed concern that someone is 
lobbying for Salt Spring Island to be excluded when there is a housing crisis on Salt Spring Island. 
The member of the public asked whether CAO Hotsenpiller listens to public opinion or only takes 
direction from Trust Council. 
 
Chair Peterson advised staff would not lobby the Province without direction from Trust Council and 
encouraged the public to write to the Province. Chair Peterson noted all types of public input are 
important and encouraged members of the public to engage local Trustees.  
 
A  member  of  the  public  asked  why  the  LTC  would  not approve  Bylaw  530  and  let  Executive 
Committee make their decision. 
 
Chair Peterson advised Executive Committee must follow the Official Community Plan. 
 
A former member of the Housing Action Program Task Force asked the LTC to be specific on which 
items in the Salt Spring Island Official Community Plan (OCP) do not support Bylaw 530 and advised 
the OCP is a living document that has the potential to be updated. The Housing Action Program 
Task Force recommended Bylaw 530 include provisions for alternative water sources. 
 
Trustee Harris advised he suggested amending the OCP where necessary to support Bylaw 530 in 
January 2023 and added that he supports approving Bylaw 530 in the original form and forwarding 
it to Executive Committee. 
 
RPM Hutton advised the concerns are primarily for properties within the Uplands land designation 
and OCP policy B.8.2.2.2; and application of the precautionary principle to ensue that land use is 
not increased in areas that are known to have concerns with supply of potable water OCP policy 
C.3.1.1.1; and  policy  specific  to  secondary  suites.  Bylaw  530  addresses  a  comprehensive  set  of 
criteria to be met in consideration allowing secondary suites is required, policy B.2.2.1.5. The most 
considerable element is the question of additional density. The OCP specifies that any increase to 
density must be few and minor. The SSILTC adopted the current OCP in 2008 and the LTC has a 
project to amend the OCP. OCP’s must be approved by Executive Committee, and the Ministry of 
Municipal Affairs and there is an obligation to consult with 13 First Nations with interest in the area.  
 

 
 
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A member of the public asked why Trustee Patrick has only sent emails to the Province and has not 
asked the public for a petition. The member of the public asked if the plan is to send more emails 
and advised that their family has sent letters with hundreds of signatures to the Islands Trust that 
have been ignored and maybe things have changed. 
 
Trustee Patrick reported Bill 44 was read in the legislature last week and advised she is doing what 
she can as an elected official to communicate with those that can debate on our behalf and she 
expects there will be a petition soon. 
 
A member of the public advised it is not the elected officials’ position to request the public to start 
a petition. 
 
Trustee Harris advised he started a petition to oppose the Coastal Douglas Fir (CDF) and Associated 
Ecosystems project and it went a long way. Trustee Harris advised housing issues are not hot off the 
press and expressed concern regarding the Islands Trust mandate and the CDF project that attacked 
our community. 
 
Chair Peterson advised that a petition with hundreds of signatures to the Province could go a long 
way to advocate for Salt Spring Island to be included in Bill 44. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed concern that nothing has happened regarding housing in the past year. 
 
Chair Peterson advised Bylaw 530 was not going to be a complete solution to housing issues, and 
there  was  a possibility that Bylaw  530  would not  be  approved  by  Executive Committee.  Chair 
Peterson expressed support for an OCP review to address the housing issues. 
 
A member of the public expressed concerns regarding the lack of workforce housing, employees 
living in sub standard housing conditions and having issues showing up to work. The member of the 
public expressed support for Trustees to do the hard work and make it happen and added that the 
community elected Trustees to do find solutions for housing. 
 
Trustee  Harris  advised  a  review  of  the  housing  section  of the  OCP  should  take  four  hours and 
adoption of Bylaw 530 should take two-months, that this is a stall tactic and a long-term view is 
that Salt Spring Island will become a park. Trustee Harris expressed concern that there are people 
that want less people living on Salt Spring Island. Trustee Harris expressed support to address the 
housing section of the OCP and fast track it to address housing. 
 
A member of the public asked whether Bylaw 530 could include a limit of 500 additional units. 
 
Chair Peterson advised if the Province had not excluded the Islands Trust from Bill 44 – Housing 
Statutes (Residential Development) Amendment Act, 2023, housing would not be limited by the 
OCP. Chair Peterson advised it is within LTC authority to pass a resolution to request that Salt Spring 
Island be included in Bill 44.   
 
Trustee Patrick expressed support for setting a limit to ADU’s and staff have advised that there was 
no mechanism to set a limit. 
 

 
 
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RPM Hutton advised the challenge in limiting the number of ADU’s is that it needs to be codified in 
a bylaw and the Islands Trust does not have infrastructure to track ADU’s at this time. The challenge 
with  a lottery  system  is  that  it  would  require  a  program  that  would  have  to  review  all  of  the 
applications and make recommendations to the LTC. Bill 44 would waive the requirement for public 
hearings.  
 
A member of the public asked if setting a limit on ADU’s is an administrative challenge or a legal 
challenge. 
 
RMP Hutton reported a system for tracking ADU’s would be an operational challenge. 
 
A member of the public noted Bill 44 is in process and asked who requested Salt Spring Island to be 
excluded. The member of the public advised the Province did not decide to exclude the Islands 
Trust randomly and whoever has the concern, should be listened to. The member of the public 
suggested the LTC amend the OCP specific to housing, and not undertake an entire OCP review. 
 
Chair Peterson advised Trust Council did not ask the Province to exclude the Islands Trust from Bill 
44.   
 
RPM  Hutton  reported  engagement process  for  amending  the  OCP must  be  scoped  to  the 
amendments and engagement must be thorough or it could be challenged. The LTC must engage 
with 13 First Nations with interests in the area. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed support for taking consideration of the community into account and then 
taking action for what is best for our community. 
 
Chair Peterson advised if Executive Committee did not approve a bylaw that the LTC approved, the 
LTC could appeal the decision. 
 
Trustee  Patrick  advised the Province has  raised  the  bar  in terms  of  consultation for  OCP 
amendments. The Province turned down an LTC making minor amendments to their community’s 
OCP on the grounds that they did not do sufficient consultation. The LTC has received a Complete 
Communities Grant to fund the OCP review project. 
 
A  former member of  the Housing  Action Program  Task  Force  advised  that putting  process  over 
people makes them nauseous, expressed support that it is worth a try to see if Bylaw 530 would be 
rejected. The member added that if the LTC does not do something substantial to improve housing, 
Trustees would hear the same message at every meeting.  
 
A  former member of the Housing  Action Program Task  Force  noted  that all  three trustees care 
about housing. The Province is supporting housing and Bylaw 530 should be approved while the 
Province  is  moving  forward on  housing. The  member asked  the  LTC  to  approve  Bylaw  530 as 
written and address the opposition at that time. The LTC is losing the confidence of the people of 
Salt  Spring  Island. Bylaw  530  would support  intergenerational  living,  aging  in  place, and  young 
families. The member of the task force expressed concern that teachers, health care workers, and 
ferry workers cannot find housing. 
 

 
 
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Trustee Harris asked where Bylaw 530 stands now and whether the LTC could waive the public 
hearing and proceed to third reading. 
 
RPM Hutton advised the LTC rescinded second reading of Bylaw 530 and it would need second 
reading and a request for staff to schedule a public hearing.  RPM Hutton advised staff would not 
recommend waiving the public hearing. A public hearing for Bylaw 530 was held in August 2022 
although changes have been made to Bylaw 530 since that time. 
 
A member of the public asked Trustees what they are prepared to do to advance Bylaw 530. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed  support  to  vote  for  second  reading  and waive  public  hearing at  the 
November 16, 2023 LTC regular meeting. 
 
Trustee Patrick advised she has supported the process from the beginning and there has to be a 
way to limit the numbers. Trustee Patrick expressed support to change the current version of Bylaw 
530 to increase the success rate.  
 
A member of the public asked who would legally challenge Bylaw 530. 
 
Trustee Patrick advised there is a group that has said they would legally challenge Bylaw 530. 
 
Chair Peterson advised his approach is to listen, consider staff advice, compatibility with the OCP 
and the object of the Islands Trust.  If Salt Spring could be included in Bill 44 this would be an easier 
solution.  Bylaw  530  is  not  the  solution,  it  is  a  starting point  to  address  housing  and  a more 
impactful solution will be a targeted review of the OCP. 
 
A  member  of  the  public  spoke  to  the  SSILTC  standing  resolution  regarding  deferral  of  Bylaw 
Enforcement on unlawful dwellings and asked if are we in a perpetual cycle of doing nothing to 
increase housing units while there is no bylaw enforcement. 
 
Trustee Harris advised people are dealing with bylaw enforcement. There is an estimate that SSI 
needs 3500 units and Bylaw 530 is a drop in the bucket to address the housing needs. It is up to 
Trustees to figure out what is best for our community. 
 
Trustee Patrick reported SSILTC standing resolution regarding deferral of Bylaw Enforcement on 
unlawful  dwelling provides  was  approved by  Trustee  Grams  and  Trustee  Grove.  The Standing 
Resolution was expanded in 2022 to include other forms of housing to give some relief although 
some people are dealing with bylaw enforcement due to complaints. 
 
A member of the public asked whether the LTC needs help getting a meeting with First Nations and 
offered to set up the meeting. 
 
A  member of  the  public  spoke  to  the  two-year  timeline  for  Bylaw  530  to  get  to  this  point  and 
expressed support to approve Bylaw 530 and take a chance on it failing.  
 
Trustee Patrick spoke to the accumulated costs to build housing beyond Bylaw 530 including the 
high costs of construction that makes if cost prohibitive for property owners to build a rental unit. If 
a  property owner  adds a water  connection to their  well,  a community  drinking  water  permit is 

 
 
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required at an approximate cost of $60,000. The uptake is expected to be low due to it being cost-
prohibitive to property owners. The CRD identified adding a secondary suite is the most feasible 
option although  a  lot  of  houses  do  not  have  basements  that  can  be  converted  to  a  suite.  The 
second  most  feasible  option  is  a  suite  above  a  garage. One  objective is that Bylaw  530  would 
provide a path for homeowners to make their existing illegal ADU to be legal.  
 
There was a question regarding whether a well is necessary to be permitted to have a legal ADU in 
Bylaw 530. 
 
Trustee Patrick reported the Province requires secondary well connections to have a permit under 
the BC Drinking  Water  Act. The  State  of  Washington  allows  three  well  connections  before  the 
higher requirements are triggered. Islands Trust is lobbying the Province to increase the number of 
well connections and the Province is considering raising the limit to five. 
 
There was a question regarding whether Trustees could ask MLA Olsen to lobby for housing on 
behalf of Salt Spring Island and ask him to look into why Salt Spring Island was excluded from Bill 44. 
The member of the public advised MLA Olsen is very supportive of housing initiatives and the CASHI 
proposal. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed concern that someone asked for Salt Spring Island to be excluded from Bill 
44 and Salt Spring Island is the only community that has 10,000 people within the Islands Trust Area.  
 
Chair Peterson advised if Bill 44 did not exclude the Islands Trust, the new Provincial regulations to 
support housing initiatives would apply to Salt Spring Island. 
 
A member of the public asked who specifically is the best contact regarding Bill 44. 
 
Chair Peterson advised the Minister of Municipal Affairs, the Minister of Housing and the Premier 
would be the best contacts for Bill 44.  
 
A member of the public asked whether Trustees could set up those meetings and members of the 
public could attend. 
 
Chair Peterson advised the LTC could add a new business item to consider Bill 44 at the November 
16, 2023 LTC meeting. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed support to pass Bylaw 530 in its original form, waive the public hearing 
and proceed to third reading, lobby the Province to be included in Bill 44, and amend the housing 
section of the OCP. 
 
A member of the public advised they would take the day off work to attend a meeting with the 
Minister of Housing. The member of the public expressed concern that the LTC asked the Province 
to review whether including Salt Spring Island in the Speculation and Vacancy Tax is a good idea. 
The member of the public expressed support for the LTC to ask the Province to include Salt Spring 
Island in the Speculation and Vacancy Tax immediately. 
 

 
 
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Trustee Patrick reported the Province is considering expanding the Speculation and Vacancy Tax 
area and the Minister of Housing requested the LTC to provide a request regarding inclusion in the 
Speculation and Vacancy Tax area. 
 
Trustee Harris expressed concerns regarding a blanket approach to including Salt Spring Island in 
the Speculation and Vacancy Tax. 
 
A  member  of  the  public  advised  in  their  experience  as  a  realtor  on  Salt  Spring  Island,  the 
Speculation  and  Vacancy  Tax will  not  solve  any  housing  problems.  The  member  of  the  public 
advised most property owners with vacant homes would not do a long-term rental due to the BC 
Residential Tenancy Act.  
 
Chair Peterson thanked everyone for attending the meeting. 
 
4. ADJOURNMENT 
 
 By general consent the meeting adjourned at 6:42 p.m. 
 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Sarah Shugar, Recorder