Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, November 27, 2023

[0:00:01] Voice 5: Okay, good afternoon everybody. I hope you can hear me okay. I'm having to remote in today.

[0:00:11] Voice 5: So your local trust committee is, the two local trustees are present and with Pat Todd,

[0:00:19] Voice 5: our recorder, and Main Island planner Nerissa Chadwick. Missing you all here, but unfortunately

[0:00:25] Voice 5: the fog warnings on the Malahat deterred me from attending in person. So I'm calling in

[0:00:31] Voice 5: from gabriela island my home and home of the synonymic first nation of many coast salish

[0:00:39] Voice 5: peoples david i wondered if you could do a tear or one of you could do an acknowledgement for

[0:00:46] Voice 5: main island this morning to open our meeting

[0:00:49] Trustee Maude: certainly is pleased to be serving from main

[0:00:54] Trustee Maude: island as a traditional home of the wisconsin people um very proud and pleased with our

[0:00:59] Trustee Maude: community and how we always achieve

[0:01:02] Voice 3: our goals in sincere harmony it's

[0:01:08] Voice 4: a laudable goal um

[0:01:10] Voice 5: thank you

[0:01:11] Voice 5: so your two local trustees as everyone knows um thank you trustee maude and trustee dodds

[0:01:17] Voice 5: you want to say anything to say hello to the empty room there

[0:01:22] Voice 5: there's no one in attendance that's a little strange it's very

[0:01:26] Voice 10: unusual i think it's only

[0:01:27] Voice 5: ever happened

[0:01:28] Voice 5: once that

[0:01:29] Voice 10: i can think of so it was a very interesting long time ago so

[0:01:33] Voice 11: this is very

[0:01:34] Voice 11: unusual and i'm not quite sure i have to comment that main island like pre-covid and and today is

[0:01:43] Voice 11: quite a bit quieter um population wise activity wise so i'm not sure what's leading to that but

[0:01:48] Voice 11: it's a very quiet time a lot of people are traveling um and i think they just finished

[0:01:54] Voice 11: sure we have we have someone coming so we do have one audience member with me but it is it is a

[0:02:00] Voice 11: quiet time on the island and we've just finished doing the play and various other activities

[0:02:05] Voice 11: so we're

[0:02:14] Voice 5: assisted in the back by emily bryant to the south office and we've got bruce belcher

[0:02:20] Voice 5: online as well and Charlie

[0:02:21] Voice 5: Caproff so

[0:02:24] Voice 5: we'll call this meeting

[0:02:26] Voice 5: to order and start by approving

[0:02:28] Voice 5: the agenda is there anything to

[0:02:30] Voice 5: add or change

[0:02:32] Voice 5: any considerations

[0:02:35] Voice 5: local trustees looking to

[0:02:37] Voice 5: okay so we'll adopt

[0:02:41] Voice 5: the agenda by general consent

[0:02:44] Voice 5: and move into

[0:02:45] Voice 5: town hall and questions

[0:02:47] Voice 5: if anybody is there and wishes to address

[0:02:49] Voice 5: the LTC maybe I

[0:02:51] Voice 5: can let someone in the room manage i don't have any anything at this stage no

[0:02:58] Trustee Maude: so we have we have

[0:02:59] Trustee Maude: no town hall today no

[0:03:01] Voice 11: town hall yet what a

[0:03:03] Voice 5: day for the chair to be away huh yeah

[0:03:07] Voice 5: well planned okay well then we'll move into uh section six uh approval of the minutes

[0:03:17] Voice 5: so we've got local trust committee minutes dated september 25th uh for adoption are those all

[0:03:24] Voice 5: good with

[0:03:25] Voice 11: anything i think

[0:03:27] Voice 11: i have no nothing to change i want to change no it's obviously

[0:03:31] Voice 11: a really fancy meeting the last one

[0:03:33] Voice 5: um i sorry and just because i transitioned between ltcs

[0:03:40] Voice 5: it is a tradition of this ltc that you record the name the full name of of each um

[0:03:47] Voice 5: person speaking to in town hall pat traditionally

[0:03:51] Voice 11: it's

[0:03:52] Voice 5: been that way i know that

[0:03:53] Voice 11: other islands do

[0:03:54] Voice 11: it differently okay

[0:03:56] Voice 5: i probably ask this question every single time and i know you do it very well

[0:04:00] Voice 5: the minutes are excellent so um i love having the detail so i'm glad that it's consistent with

[0:04:07] Voice 5: as per tradition um so we will adopt the minutes of um september 25th our last meeting

[0:04:16] Voice 5: as you all know we skipped october's meeting it just wasn't enough to justify the ltc meeting and

[0:04:24] Voice 5: so we've got advisory planning commission minutes dated november 6th again those are for receipt

[0:04:29] Voice 5: having been adopted by that body and our follow-up action list on page 20 do we have any

[0:04:38] Voice 5: questions or items for discussion i

[0:04:42] Voice 3: think so i'm

[0:04:51] Voice 5: pleased to see that this uh the bylaw enforcement

[0:04:54] Voice 5: report has come forward so that was a good bit of work yeah actually i should just send an email to

[0:05:02] Voice 5: um warren i don't i didn't hear that he was going to be here today so i should have checked in with

[0:05:13] Voice 5: him but his reports there okay anything else follow back in an action list all good yep sorry

[0:05:22] Voice 5: No, I

[0:05:24] Voice 11: was just going to

[0:05:24] Voice 11: mention that we have announced the letters to First Nations regarding the housing project.

[0:05:31] Voice 11: Oh, good.

[0:05:31] Voice 11: We just got that last week.

[0:05:36] Voice 11: Oh, so now it's done, not just, it's completed.

[0:05:39] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:05:40] Voice 11: Your setup.

[0:05:41] Voice 11: So that's good.

[0:05:41] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:05:42] Voice 3: Great.

[0:05:44] Voice 3: Excellent.

[0:05:49] Voice 3: Excellent.

[0:05:52] Voice 5: I will note that letters from LTC chairs, just because I saw this, I sort of had

[0:06:00] Voice 5: some indication from staff that advocacy letters from LTCs were getting to be a bit too much to

[0:06:08] Voice 5: handle. And so I think internally, staff are struggling with lots of people being away or

[0:06:16] Voice 5: or on leave. And so if we can just be mindful of that, I'm trying not to advance any too many

[0:06:23] Voice 5: advocacy topics through LTCs at the moment. So just struggling in those departments.

[0:06:30] Voice 5: Okay, so we've got two referrals for our consideration, South Pender and Saterna.

[0:06:41] Voice 5: saturn is first so oh

[0:06:45] Voice 11: i will move that main island local trust committee's interests are not

[0:06:50] Voice 11: affected by bylaw 140 and 141 saturn island local trust there again second by

[0:06:58] Voice 5: trustee mott

[0:07:00] Voice 5: any discussion all those in favor that is carried and um north pender island land use bylaw number

[0:07:12] Voice 5: 224 to permit multi-family dwellings within the community housing one zone i'll

[0:07:19] Voice 10: move that the

[0:07:20] Voice 10: main island local trust committee's interests are not affected by the north pender island

[0:07:25] Voice 10: then local trust area bylaw number 234 i

[0:07:29] Voice 11: will second that yeah

[0:07:30] Voice 5: excellent moved and seconded

[0:07:32] Voice 5: any further discussion all those in favor and that is carried fantastic piece of work

[0:07:41] Voice 5: so now we've got the uh a temporary use permit renewal for a period of three years i'll note

[0:07:48] Voice 5: that this was issued in 2021 so is this in anticipation of the renewal date uh are we

[0:07:55] Voice 1: be a little ahead of

[0:07:56] Voice 5: schedule? Okay.

[0:07:57] Voice 1: It's right around now, I think. The original one was issued

[0:08:03] Voice 1: November 22nd, 2021, and that's a two-year permit. So it's like right on time.

[0:08:10] Voice 5: Perfect. Would you

[0:08:11] Voice 5: like to introduce this report?

[0:08:13] Voice 1: Yep. So yeah, I'm speaking to file MATUP 2023.3, which is a renewal

[0:08:21] Voice 1: for the temporary use permit for the short-term vacation rental at 752 Seaview Road. And like I

[0:08:29] Voice 1: said, the original permit was issued for a period of two years as part of the November 22, 2021

[0:08:36] Voice 1: LTC meeting. The permit allows the use to continue in compliance with the land use bylaw

[0:08:43] Voice 1: with a maximum guest capacity of six people operating for 30 days between May and September

[0:08:53] Voice 1: So it's the same as the original permit. And since the original application was issued, staff have not received any complaints. So a three year time period is considered reasonable as there's no outstanding issues.

[0:09:09] Voice 1: Yeah, that have become present.

[0:09:12] Voice 1: So, yeah, based on this information, it is staff's recommendation that the Main Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Renewal Temporary Use Permit MATUP 2023.3 for a period of three years.

[0:09:32] Voice 11: I'm going to move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of a Renewal

[0:09:37] Voice 11: Temporary Use Permit, MATUP, 2023.3 for a period of three years.

[0:09:46] Voice 11: I will second that motion.

[0:09:48] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:09:49] Voice 5: So just a point of clarification before we hold the vote, the first page Schedule A,

[0:09:58] Voice 5: A, the reference to First Nations is in reference to Gabriela and

[0:10:06] Voice 5: Snonimic First Nation and not Main Island.

[0:10:09] Voice 5: So there may have been an error by the applicant.

[0:10:13] Trustee Maude: That's page 139.

[0:10:15] Voice 5: That's right.

[0:10:19] Voice 3: So

[0:10:19] Trustee Maude: it appears that you are correct, Chair, that it's an error.

[0:10:24] Trustee Maude: As I recall, the first go-around, they had a very detailed

[0:10:28] Voice 4: First Nation

[0:10:29] Trustee Maude: acknowledgement that was appropriate so okay um

[0:10:33] Trustee Maude: i think there might have been a little filing error

[0:10:35] Trustee Maude: there right yeah

[0:10:35] Voice 10: it may have just been it's on the back

[0:10:38] Voice 10: i mean

[0:10:42] Voice 5: i trust that everything else looks

[0:10:46] Trustee Maude: correct from

[0:10:47] Trustee Maude: the first application they actually did a very progressive

[0:10:52] Trustee Maude: documentation there so four points to the chair oh

[0:10:58] Voice 5: yes i was paying attention at nine

[0:11:00] Voice 5: o'clock last night. Well, Gabriola caught my eye actually. So if that could be communicated to the

[0:11:10] Voice 5: applicant, or if it may have been a filing error with this application, can we correct that,

[0:11:17] Voice 5: Bruce? Yeah, sure.

[0:11:19] Voice 5: Okay, so contingent on that being, I'm sure it was fine. It just looks like

[0:11:30] Voice 5: get popped over from gabriela a little bit of a swap there um yeah so i don't see anything else

[0:11:37] Voice 5: and uh so is there any further discussion on this nope nope okay all those in favor that is carried

[0:11:46] Voice 5: thank you thanks for your work on this bruce and all right now we'll come to the proposed rezoning

[0:11:55] Voice 5: of 630 dinner bay road ma rezoning 2023.1 for the oceanwood property and charlie is here

[0:12:04] Voice 5: to assist us hello charlie hello

[0:12:07] Voice 2: hello um so good afternoon tara elliott trustee dodds and trustee

[0:12:12] Voice 2: maude um i'm here today to update the main island ltc on application marz 2023.1 so as you recall

[0:12:23] Voice 2: call at the september 25th meeting the approved resolution was as follows that the main island

[0:12:29] Voice 2: ltc requests that prior to proceeding further the applicant consult with surrounding neighbors

[0:12:34] Voice 2: host a community information meeting provide their feedback to the local trust committee

[0:12:39] Voice 2: for consideration identify additional options for amenity contribution and water management

[0:12:44] Voice 2: and explore archaeological potential so staff followed up following the meeting on september 25th

[0:12:51] Voice 2: And again, on October 10th, with deadlines for response, the deadline for this meeting was November 13th. The applicant contacted staff on November 20th, after the agenda had been published for this meeting, informing staff that an ad had been published in the mainliner for a community open house on Friday, November 24th, 2023.

[0:13:16] Voice 2: 2023. And staff look forward to hearing from the applicant on how the open house went. And that's

[0:13:23] Voice 2: my update. So yeah, so we'll just see what happens in the new year and when the applicants want to

[0:13:29] Voice 2: come back to LTC for consideration. So

[0:13:35] Voice 5: just to clarify, Charlie, there's been no back and forth

[0:13:39] Voice 5: with you about the potential community amenity contributions or any other aspects of the

[0:13:46] Voice 5: the

[0:13:46] Voice 2: application? No, I just

[0:13:47] Voice 2: got an email

[0:13:48] Voice 2: on the 20th saying, hey, we put

[0:13:49] Voice 2: an ad in the mainliner and

[0:13:51] Voice 2: we're doing an open house. And so that's

[0:13:53] Voice 2: kind of where we're at.

[0:13:55] Voice 2: Yeah. Did anyone attend

[0:13:57] Voice 5: the open house, Janine?

[0:14:00] Voice 5: No. I attended.

[0:14:02] Trustee Maude: Okay. There were

[0:14:05] Trustee Maude: 50, perhaps

[0:14:06] Trustee Maude: 60 people in attendance. Okay.

[0:14:09] Trustee Maude: And I

[0:14:10] Trustee Maude: guess it very much is

[0:14:12] Trustee Maude: as Manishak is

[0:14:14] Trustee Maude: sort of laid out, is it was

[0:14:16] Trustee Maude: uh realistically a community consultation meeting um they put a lot of options on the on the floor

[0:14:24] Trustee Maude: um what the the primary focus seemed to be for feedback was as people came into the meeting

[0:14:31] Trustee Maude: they were asked to if they were willing to give their name and email um and they were going to

[0:14:36] Trustee Maude: use that basically as a contact list to do surveys um so from what i understood um they were going to

[0:14:45] Trustee Maude: take the sort of the laundry list of amenities that were proposed at the community meeting

[0:14:49] Trustee Maude: um and then put that out to the community as a survey saying well what amenities would you like

[0:14:55] Trustee Maude: to see what do you not want to see type of things and and sort of come back with some sort of

[0:15:00] Trustee Maude: feedback to the local trust committee um what i will note is that the meeting was very very

[0:15:09] Trustee Maude: positive in nature there wasn't a lot of negative energy in the room there seemed to be a lot of

[0:15:15] Trustee Maude: interest um some enthusiasm um and what i particularly for me what i appreciated

[0:15:22] Trustee Maude: was the the two owners were there and their sincerity and their answers

[0:15:27] Trustee Maude: um and they're sort of they're sort of had a good feeling for the community um which was very very

[0:15:35] Trustee Maude: well received by the meeting so um they're they're on their way um and certainly hopefully look

[0:15:43] Trustee Maude: look forward in february january february to actually hearing back with a more firmed up

[0:15:48] Trustee Maude: proposal that we can look at awesome

[0:15:53] Voice 3: sounds really good trustee dodds

[0:15:56] Trustee Maude: so i'm

[0:15:58] Voice 11: my concern at this point

[0:16:00] Voice 10: is that seems we

[0:16:01] Voice 10: have an application that already has fixed parameters in it and yet we have an

[0:16:06] Voice 10: applicant who is now going out to the community looking

[0:16:09] Voice 11: for input so my feeling is that the

[0:16:11] Voice 11: application we have at the moment is not where this application is actually probably going to go

[0:16:17] Voice 11: so i have a question about whether or not at this point we should return the application back to the

[0:16:24] Voice 11: applicant for a revised and updated version i think they kind of it seems to me we have two

[0:16:32] Voice 11: different things going on here and i would be more comfortable with simply sending this application

[0:16:37] Voice 11: back for, I don't know what the terminology would be, but that we would encourage them to

[0:16:44] Voice 11: remove this application at this time and come back to us with a more well thought out or a more

[0:16:53] Voice 11: a plan that takes into account some of the information they're receiving from the community

[0:16:59] Voice 11: at this point um

[0:17:01] Voice 2: oh sorry through the chair um well I think that so the resolution was that the

[0:17:08] Voice 2: LTC requests that prior to proceeding further the applicant consult with surrounding neighbors to

[0:17:12] Voice 2: host a community information meeting and then provide that feedback so next time that we all

[0:17:16] Voice 2: come together I think that it's out that they would provide what they heard kind of thing and

[0:17:21] Voice 2: then that would sort of inform uh where LTC goes um with this application whether to proceed further

[0:17:28] Voice 2: or to you know have um sort of different because we don't right now we don't have there isn't a

[0:17:34] Voice 2: amenity contribution established right um so i feel like um next meeting would be you know what

[0:17:41] Voice 2: we heard and then also um i i from my understanding they are working on some of the other elements in

[0:17:48] Voice 2: that resolution so they they did ask me for um contacts for the different first nations in the

[0:17:55] Voice 2: the area etc um so i don't know if we'd have to it would be necessary to um to pull this or to like

[0:18:05] Voice 2: um have to redo the application if that's sort of what you're thinking i don't know thank you

[0:18:12] Voice 10: appreciate that explanation

[0:18:13] Voice 11: and i i agree just leaving it as is for now it

[0:18:18] Voice 5: is but it is an

[0:18:20] Voice 5: an important point because um when an application goes forward and this happened on thetis um with

[0:18:27] Voice 5: pre-d harbor rezoning for and there was no public appetite for it and yet the ltc chose to

[0:18:36] Voice 5: let the application advance and they hosted their own community information meeting which nobody was

[0:18:42] Voice 5: in favor and then we shut it down and there wasn't a great feeling about that because they were

[0:18:48] Voice 5: We're putting time and effort and, you know, the portion of the fees they paid was refunded.

[0:18:53] Voice 5: But there is a bit of a balance, I think, to be struck in allowing the application to

[0:19:02] Voice 5: proceed under this sort of framework when this isn't likely, like you said, Trustee

[0:19:11] Voice 5: Dodd's what would eventually be considered.

[0:19:14] Voice 5: So, perhaps we'll just wait for one more meeting and allow them to come back with those, the additional options for amenity contribution and the ARC potential.

[0:19:26] Voice 5: And I am also wary of letting applicants, like encouraging applicants to do consultation with First Nations in a way that might lead to additional burdens on the nation if the application is going to change significantly and they have to reconsult anyways.

[0:19:47] Voice 5: Right.

[0:19:47] Voice 5: So do you have any thoughts on that?

[0:19:53] Voice 11: I was just going to say

[0:19:55] Voice 11: if LTC could consider a resolution just to direct the applicant

[0:20:01] Voice 11: to come back with options based on the public engagement because right now I think we've asked

[0:20:07] Voice 11: them to did you get that Charlie what what is the resolution that we've got that we've got

[0:20:15] Voice 11: yeah

[0:20:16] Voice 2: it says that the main island LTC requests that prior to proceeding further that the

[0:20:22] Voice 2: applicant consult with surrounding neighbors host a community information meeting and provide their

[0:20:26] Voice 2: feedback to the local trust committee for consideration um so that's the community

[0:20:31] Voice 2: engagement aspect of the resolution um so i this so the email that i received on the 20th i think

[0:20:38] Voice 2: is is sort of related to that so they they've uh you know posted this um meeting and they

[0:20:44] Voice 2: held this meeting and then now we're awaiting um some some feedback um which i think would be

[0:20:51] Voice 2: be provided to the planner and then we would come back to a subsequent meeting prior to

[0:21:04] Voice 2: proceeding further.

[0:21:06] Voice 11: Yeah, so I think it's actually, as Conchita said, options for amending contributions.

[0:21:10] Voice 11: I mean, it may also be options for alternative design based on feedback.

[0:21:17] Voice 11: I think that's maybe the piece of it.

[0:21:19] Voice 11: Yeah, I

[0:21:20] Voice 3: think the motion covers.

[0:21:22] Voice 3: Yeah, I think we're good.

[0:21:23] Voice 11: I think we're good.

[0:21:23] Voice 11: I did want to say, unlike your example for Thetis Island, what I heard about the meeting was that certainly there was no negativity, so it's not like there is no support for this project.

[0:21:36] Voice 11: So moving forward, we have some, the general public seems to be supportive to move forward, addressing the issues that have been raised.

[0:21:45] Voice 11: So I don't think there's a problem with us moving forward.

[0:21:48] Voice 11: I do think in terms of an applicant approaching First Nations at this point, that would be a concern.

[0:21:56] Voice 11: I

[0:21:56] Voice 5: do agree.

[0:21:58] Voice 5: If we could just indicate with an email, Charlie, that the LTC is interested in hearing about the potential for community amenity contributions first

[0:22:09] Voice 5: and would like to work with them when it gets to First Nations engagement sort of further down the line.

[0:22:16] Voice 5: do you think that would be appropriate yeah for sure what do you think trustees oh

[0:22:23] Voice 11: yes absolutely

[0:22:25] Voice 11: absolutely yes yes thumbs

[0:22:27] Voice 5: up okay great do you need direction or is that enough that's enough

[0:22:31] Voice 5: that's perfect awesome thank you so much thank you all right take care bye okay um moving right

[0:22:40] Voice 5: along we again have bruce is here to present um a rezoning application from the crd marz 2023.2

[0:22:56] Voice 5: for um capital regional district to rezone st john's park point st john's point regional park

[0:23:08] Voice 5: and Kevin Weber are you on the line to speak to this as well thank

[0:23:13] Voice 6: you yes that's correct

[0:23:14] Voice 6: great

[0:23:15] Voice 5: so we'll give you an opportunity after the planner has presented this and

[0:23:19] Voice 5: you can sort of present the report and draft management plan and answer any questions

[0:23:26] Voice 5: that trustees may have for you okay take it away Bruce okay

[0:23:34] Voice 1: um so uh sorry I thought

[0:23:38] Voice 1: marissa was doing this but i can do a brief um

[0:23:41] Voice 11: sir elliott this is like this is an application

[0:23:45] Voice 11: bruce and i have worked on together well first did the front work but um gotcha but

[0:23:49] Voice 11: i but i

[0:23:50] Voice 11: think we moved i was going to uh just present it please

[0:23:53] Voice 5: do forgive me yes all right i see that

[0:23:59] Voice 11: thanks defer to the wisdom of

[0:24:01] Voice 5: planners all the time

[0:24:02] Voice 11: sorry

[0:24:04] Voice 5: bruce to put you on the spot

[0:24:07] Voice 11: Yeah so this is an applicant, so we finally received the

[0:24:12] Voice 11: application for rezoning from the CID for St John Point. It's been a point of discussion for

[0:24:18] Voice 11: quite some time since the acquisition of the property in 2017 with partnership with the

[0:24:28] Voice 11: me and i are in conservancy society so right now as you know um the property is is um it's in the

[0:24:37] Voice 11: ocp it's designated as rural and agricultural and so that would lead to shift park and um in the

[0:24:44] Voice 11: ladies bylaw it is rural and agricultural and the designation that we've been identifying as

[0:24:50] Voice 11: community regional park which is um the same designation as mount car which is also a crd

[0:24:56] Voice 11: park. There is a the CRD does have a fairly detailed management plan associated with the park

[0:25:09] Voice 11: that has based on public input that they that they gathered in 2018 and the currently the park

[0:25:23] Voice 11: which being it has a castle park status and that status does not support the existing parking or

[0:25:36] Voice 11: driveway essentially so this rezoning would help to bring that

[0:25:42] Voice 11: bring that to compliance but in addition to that part of the their management plan is to create

[0:25:52] Voice 11: what they're they're identifying as a hub it's basically a um in the park entrance when you

[0:25:58] Voice 11: do an extraction of the parking it would include bike parking uh a toilet building and um that's

[0:26:06] Voice 11: a park parking sign so very similar to um to mount the park sign um so this property is partially

[0:26:19] Voice 11: there's a portion of the of the area that would be part of that um that top area the parking area

[0:26:26] Voice 11: that is in the agricultural land reserve and crd has applied for uh non-farm use and um we'll be

[0:26:35] Voice 11: able to maybe fill you in on where that application is at so that's basically where you know what's

[0:26:42] Voice 11: what's been applied for um like i said um bruce is helping on this application because i don't

[0:26:48] Voice 11: if you've got anything to add and then maybe we'll pass it over to Kevin to see if he's got anything

[0:26:57] Voice 11: to add. I'd like also to thank

[0:27:00] Voice 3: you for

[0:27:08] Voice 4: that, Nerissa.

[0:27:11] Voice 5: Kevin, would you

[0:27:14] Voice 5: like to speak to any aspect of this application?

[0:27:19] Voice 6: Thank you very much and certainly I appreciate

[0:27:22] Voice 6: that uh introduction or so you covered quite a bit there um i'll just add that in advance

[0:27:30] Voice 6: preparing this plan the crd did undertake an archaeological impact assessment

[0:27:35] Voice 6: which determined that the proposed area for this park entrance hub had

[0:27:41] Voice 6: no archaeological value and it wouldn't impact any other sites on the property that do have

[0:27:46] Voice 6: have archaeological value and we also did an ecological inventory which resulted in us

[0:27:53] Voice 6: determining that the again the site for the proposed park entrance hub had a lower ecological

[0:27:58] Voice 6: value in comparison to other areas of the park and that combined with the fact that the former

[0:28:06] Voice 6: landowner had a cabin in this area was the impetus for us choosing that site in terms of the actual

[0:28:13] Voice 6: design it's a bit tricky if any of you have the opportunity to visit the park there's some

[0:28:21] Voice 6: elevation changes in the area as well as a lot of significant trees and including some some apple

[0:28:29] Voice 6: trees which may have heritage value so we try our best to work within those constraints to both

[0:28:34] Voice 6: satisfy the islands trust as well as the agricultural land commission and yeah design

[0:28:40] Voice 6: of park entrance hub that really uh protect to promote the

[0:28:43] Voice 3: parks unique values thank you

[0:28:49] Voice 4: thank you

[0:28:50] Voice 5: for that i'll turn it over to trustees or sorry narissa go ahead oh

[0:28:55] Voice 11: yeah sorry i also

[0:28:56] Voice 11: just wanted to mention that um you know as part of the um package here there are a number of letters

[0:29:02] Voice 11: of support related to the um expansion of the uh the parking lot from um the

[0:29:10] Voice 11: the fire department response conservancy and we did receive a

[0:29:22] Voice 11: email from

[0:29:23] Voice 11: the surrounding

[0:29:26] Voice 11: neighboring strata.

[0:29:29] Voice 11: And we've also received a letter from another neighbor across the

[0:29:33] Voice 11: road who had some issues and I believe the companies have seen

[0:29:40] Voice 11: Right.

[0:29:42] Voice 5: So, so yes, the letter that was received late or a couple of days ago I think has been added, or will be added to the application folder.

[0:29:54] Voice 5: Well, I really would turn the conversation over to you trustees because you've been through this.

[0:30:01] Voice 5: pre-engagement process and uh so i'm satisfied that the issues are

[0:30:11] Voice 5: being considered i guess what is the next stage um that we're looking for here do we need more

[0:30:22] Voice 5: information

[0:30:23] Voice 11: yeah so essentially this is the preliminary reports this is where you decide

[0:30:32] Voice 11: whether you want to move forward okay thank

[0:30:36] Voice 4: you david yes okay

[0:30:41] Trustee Maude: um i guess a couple of things is

[0:30:43] Trustee Maude: it's it's been i guess three and a half years since we last corresponded with crd on this issue

[0:30:50] Trustee Maude: um primarily focusing on on the um concerns the agricultural land commission um and i would be

[0:30:58] Trustee Maude: more comfortable dealing with this proposal a um when the agricultural land commission is clear

[0:31:07] Trustee Maude: as to what they will or will not permit um because the reading that i have seen of the act

[0:31:15] Trustee Maude: um sort of says that they're probably not going to be too happy with this application

[0:31:20] Trustee Maude: um but the the other thing is um maybe mr weber could sort of explain um when this property was

[0:31:28] Trustee Maude: acquired and the whole concept um about the the property was for conservation purposes

[0:31:35] Trustee Maude: um why the application is for park versus the resource conservation zone um which is more

[0:31:43] Trustee Maude: a conservancy type holding um and preservation of the land over a park type zoning which is more of

[0:31:50] Trustee Maude: of an

[0:31:50] Voice 3: enabling development type zone.

[0:31:52] Voice 3: Go

[0:32:00] Voice 5: ahead, Mr. Webber.

[0:32:03] Voice 6: Yeah, certainly.

[0:32:04] Voice 6: Yeah, I'll try my best to speak to both aspects of that.

[0:32:07] Voice 6: And with the portion that relates

[0:32:11] Voice 6: to the agricultural land commission,

[0:32:12] Voice 6: Arisa, please feel free to jump in here.

[0:32:15] Voice 6: Our understanding of the process is that it does have

[0:32:17] Voice 6: to go through this first level of approval

[0:32:21] Voice 6: with the local trust committee

[0:32:22] Voice 6: before the agricultural land commission

[0:32:24] Voice 6: can actually consider the application.

[0:32:27] Voice 6: It's a bit of a

[0:32:28] Voice 6: complicated process and a bit challenging to manage, but yeah, that's

[0:32:34] Voice 6: essentially why we have submitted the applications to both the Agricultural Land Commission and

[0:32:39] Voice 6: the Green Island Local Trust Committee at the same time.

[0:32:42] Voice 6: And then secondly, in

[0:32:44] Voice 6: terms of the requested land use designation, I think we are actually

[0:32:49] Voice 6: very flexible in terms of what is actually what the property is actually designated for

[0:32:56] Voice 6: and just reviewing your official community plan and land use bylaw it seemed like that community

[0:33:02] Voice 6: and regional park zone which has been used for other regional parks kind of best would best

[0:33:08] Voice 6: accommodate this our proposed parks here at St. John Point but yeah if there are if there is

[0:33:16] Voice 6: interest in exploring other zones or potentially having additional records regulations or

[0:33:21] Voice 6: restrictions on this zone you know we're certainly open to hearing those yeah

[0:33:25] Trustee Maude: i just for me personally

[0:33:27] Trustee Maude: um it seemed the resource conservation zone was more fitting um within the way that crd has

[0:33:37] Trustee Maude: described the the park acquisition and the intended use of the park um because it's it's

[0:33:44] Trustee Maude: it is about uh conservation um the our park zone unfortunately our our bylaws they're very they

[0:33:52] allow a lot of broad interpretation

[0:33:54] Trustee Maude: and our park bylaw basically it's it's so open like if you

[0:34:00] Trustee Maude: want to put an 18 hole golf course on saint john point that's only allows for it um it's it's it's

[0:34:06] Trustee Maude: so it's the the the resource conservation zone would be a little bit more respected um

[0:34:14] Trustee Maude: restrictive in the land use and i think more respecting the intent

[0:34:19] Trustee Maude: of the land acquisition um and sort of it would lay a very positive foundation

[0:34:26] Trustee Maude: um going forward and something that i would certainly support um i would have concerns over

[0:34:32] Trustee Maude: over the the park designation um the the but i'm very curious about your description of the

[0:34:39] Trustee Maude: agricultural land commission um process because um i would suggest that i would be very reluctant

[0:34:49] Trustee Maude: to proceed um and and i i would be looking at option number two provided by the planners of

[0:34:56] Trustee Maude: waiting until we hear from the alc before we look at our process and the way you explain it it sounds

[0:35:03] Trustee Maude: like the lc wants to wait for us before they want to deal with their process um so it's almost like

[0:35:09] Trustee Maude: a maximum standoff because i'm very uncomfortable um doing anything until i understand where the

[0:35:17] Trustee Maude: agricultural land commission um comes from so maybe we need perhaps to hear from somebody

[0:35:23] Trustee Maude: from the agricultural land commission um for them to fully explain what their expectations are

[0:35:28] Trustee Maude: because um they're the senior government body and it's a little difficult for me to say that

[0:35:35] Trustee Maude: we would approve something and then wait to see what they say about it when our approval might

[0:35:40] Trustee Maude: be in direct conflict with with their

[0:35:41] Voice 3: approval process narissa

[0:35:48] Voice 4: do you have any and then uh janine

[0:35:50] Voice 5: um

[0:35:51] Voice 3: yeah i

[0:35:52] Voice 11: mean essentially uh um the appropriate protocol would be that you would be able to go

[0:35:59] Voice 11: to approval of the rezoning before there is uh before that uh permissions acquired

[0:36:09] Voice 11: it doesn't prohibit moving forward with the application okay and certainly we can um

[0:36:26] Voice 11: so basically so basically what you're saying is i mean this this isn't the actual this is to say

[0:36:34] Voice 11: proceed with the application this isn't the actual public hearing so what we're saying

[0:36:38] Voice 11: is we if we agree and i agree 100 with dave in terms of the actual zoning it should be that

[0:36:45] Voice 11: resource conservation zone um yes through the chair i mean the one challenge with the resource

[0:36:51] Voice 11: conservation zone is that um the the parking um and the toilet building better be um uh you know

[0:37:00] Voice 11: requested essentially by the crd would you be permitted under that bill but

[0:37:05] Trustee Maude: they could apply

[0:37:06] Trustee Maude: quite for variance

[0:37:06] Voice 11: um well i mean something

[0:37:12] Voice 11: we could be looking at is in the site-specific zone

[0:37:15] Voice 11: under resource conservation where we would allow those specific things exactly because it's this

[0:37:24] Voice 11: dilemma that over time i mean the concept of st john point was conservation and with our broader

[0:37:30] Voice 11: parks zoning it allows for other uses baseball diamond whatever children's playground which is

[0:37:37] Voice 11: never the intent for

[0:37:38] Voice 10: st john hood but that zoning allows for things change over time people change

[0:37:42] Voice 10: over time there's a kind of on

[0:37:44] Voice 10: the property i agree with there's a covenant that

[0:37:46] Voice 10: limits what

[0:37:47] Voice 10: can be done i

[0:37:49] Voice 11: agree with the resource conservation but with the additional adding in the option of

[0:37:54] Voice 11: course but yes i think it should be the resource conservation zone that was something great about

[0:38:01] Voice 11: yes like i said if you went that route then we have to yeah yeah but that's that's okay i think

[0:38:06] Voice 11: we should do that site specific for what they actually want there and rather than the broader

[0:38:11] Voice 11: parks because even with covenants on there i think that they need to be careful about

[0:38:16] Voice 11: what the zoning is saying resource conservation versus our white parks

[0:38:22] Voice 11: yeah

[0:38:22] Trustee Maude: yeah

[0:38:27] Voice 11: okay and uh and then i'm just still a bit confused on what the

[0:38:32] Voice 11: the land the parking i mean that even if we since it's still the final say is in the hands of the

[0:38:40] Voice 11: land commission if they won't permit the parking lot where that it's really their decision the

[0:38:44] Voice 11: like yeah decision something so i know that we need a parking care base that's so does the

[0:38:52] Voice 5: conservation uh resource zoning affect anything else would it affect the park management plan

[0:39:00] Voice 5: plan in terms of anything else other than the parking area and the facilities like in in terms

[0:39:08] Voice 5: of how the trails are developed uh the viewpoints everything else would it be consistent with the

[0:39:14] Voice 5: um the current the draft plan yeah I

[0:39:19] Voice 11: mean so the

[0:39:20] Voice 11: community uses in the sorry through the check uh

[0:39:25] Voice 11: communities in the resource conservation zone are conservation areas and ecological reserves

[0:39:31] Voice 11: And, um, the stairways, walkways, foot fridges, fences, signs, uh, and utility fences.

[0:39:38] Voice 11: So, um, the, the, um, uh, the walkways essentially, uh, would be allowed.

[0:39:48] Voice 11: It just doesn't speak to the parking lot, uh, you know, by the walkout, the sign and the toilet.

[0:40:00] Voice 11: And it's also got a more restricted lot coverage, which I don't think would be an issue for the CRD.

[0:40:11] Voice 4: Sorry,

[0:40:11] Voice 5: I didn't understand that last sentence. It's more extensive lot coverage and it wouldn't be what by the CRD?

[0:40:17] Voice 5: It's

[0:40:17] Voice 11: a reduced lot coverage.

[0:40:19] Voice 11: Oh.

[0:40:21] Voice 11: It's as opposed to 10%. It would be 5%, which I don't think would be an issue.

[0:40:27] Voice 11: Okay,

[0:40:27] Voice 5: gotcha. So, local trustees, you both seem to feel the same that rezoning to conservation resource would be more appropriate. And so would that be enough direction and acceptable to the applicant and we could proceed with the application as amended or does this need to come back?

[0:40:54] Trustee Maude: Well, I think it's important that we hear from the Agricultural Land Commission.

[0:41:00] Trustee Maude: because it's not a chat but sort of laid out as traditionally speaking they would make their

[0:41:08] Trustee Maude: decision and then we would make the rezoning decision based on their decision because it

[0:41:15] Trustee Maude: if the agricultural land commission says something like you can't have parking on that property

[0:41:21] Trustee Maude: and us preparing a bylaw that enables parking we've wasted a lot of standard time public

[0:41:30] Trustee Maude: participation time meeting time on something that we don't know that's going to be approved

[0:41:35] Trustee Maude: so i i think it's if we're if we're going down the road of doing a a special zone here

[0:41:42] Trustee Maude: based on resource conservation um we need to know the thoughts of the aircraft flank commission

[0:41:48] Trustee Maude: in order to actually tailor that that um zoning um in a way that is

[0:41:54] Voice 11: workable for both bodies

[0:41:59] Voice 5: So in your view, Nerissa or Kevin, is this a, does one have to come before the other, or is the ELC possibly waiting for an indication from the LTC that they would see this as favorable, because they also may not want to put a bunch of time and paperwork, if the LTC is ultimately not going to endorse it?

[0:42:20] Voice 5: And Nerissa?

[0:42:21] Voice 5: um i feel

[0:42:24] Voice 11: like i feel that if the the ltc wanted to put forward a resolution um requesting that

[0:42:30] Voice 11: they get they hear about from the agricultural land um commission before proceeding with the

[0:42:36] Voice 11: rezoning then that would be an adequate bench to the alc that that are the indications that

[0:42:44] Voice 11: the interests are that we'd like to have that before you move forward so option

[0:42:47] Trustee Maude: two is that

[0:42:49] Voice 11: option two is

[0:42:50] Voice 11: what you're talking about okay let's go with it i agree okay

[0:42:54] Trustee Maude: so i move that

[0:42:56] Trustee Maude: we place the application in advance until the agricultural land commission alc

[0:43:00] Trustee Maude: approves the non-farm use of the land to our entrance

[0:43:03] Trustee Maude: comes up second

[0:43:05] Voice 11: any further

[0:43:13] Voice 5: discussion all those in favor that is carried do we need a second

[0:43:21] Voice 5: resolution to or no because I guess we'll consider what the zoning would be when this comes back to

[0:43:27] Voice 5: the LTC excellent and you've

[0:43:30] Voice 11: heard the zoning would ultimately be site specific just to what

[0:43:34] Voice 11: the purposes of the park were and what the covenants were and to be quite clear in the

[0:43:39] Voice 11: public's eye what the intended was covenants or not so i think that's important okay it's meant

[0:43:46] Voice 11: to be a resource conservation area yes it has covenants a lot of protection yes um so you could

[0:43:54] Voice 11: you could um that's another resolution okay like specific to that the application to be amended

[0:44:07] Voice 11: that the application be amended to consider a site-specific zone to encompass the intent

[0:44:15] Voice 11: of this work

[0:44:20] Voice 3: that would encompass the intent intent behind well

[0:44:32] Voice 11: just to consider a site-specific

[0:44:37] Voice 11: Yeah, I was wondering

[0:44:39] Voice 4: if that should be the

[0:44:40] Voice 11: agricultural within the resource conservation

[0:44:44] Trustee Maude: within

[0:44:45] Voice 11: the resource conservation, which was Richard's.

[0:44:48] Voice 11: Oh, yes, Rich put that in a long time before me, don't make me cry.

[0:44:55] Voice 11: His legacy.

[0:44:56] Voice 11: Yeah, yeah.

[0:44:59] Voice 5: Okay, so can you read that back just because I didn't quite hear it, that the application

[0:45:04] Voice 11: be amended to consider a

[0:45:05] Voice 11: site-specific zone within the resource

[0:45:08] Voice 3: conservation zone.

[0:45:10] Voice 5: Excellent. Do we have a seconder? Trustee Mott? And any further discussion? All those in favor?

[0:45:20] Voice 5: That is carried. Well done. Good piece of work. Thank you, Kevin. And Nerissa,

[0:45:27] Voice 5: I think you've got your marching orders. We will wait to hear back from the ALC.

[0:45:35] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[0:45:37] Voice 4: Thank you so much for attending today.

[0:45:41] Voice 3: There's just something that we shouldn't need to find

[0:45:45] Voice 5: where we're at.

[0:45:49] Voice 5: Excellent. So we've moved through our applications, and we're now at the Local Trust Committee project land use bylaw review.

[0:45:56] Voice 5: The staff report is on page 114.

[0:46:02] Voice 5: Now it's your turn to shine, Nerissa.

[0:46:08] Trustee Maude: So yeah,

[0:46:09] Voice 5: so

[0:46:15] Voice 11: this is just moving forward with the land use by-law project that we've got going here.

[0:46:22] Voice 11: So previously, a number of recommendations related to the issues that were identified at previous meetings were provided in the staff report.

[0:46:34] Voice 11: and the ltc um had um referred it to the the apc for review all items that had been identified

[0:46:46] Voice 11: and so the recommendation here is the next step in this process would be to um would be to uh

[0:46:56] Voice 11: request after draft bylaws based on um in accordance with the staff report this staff

[0:47:02] Voice 11: for any further direction that the LTC may provide. So there are some instances, I think what I'll do

[0:47:07] Voice 11: is I'll go through each one. There are some instances where some conversation is needed

[0:47:11] Voice 11: to be able to move forward. So you can just go here. So some of them are fairly straightforward.

[0:47:24] Voice 11: So okay, so the first issue here is shipping containers. So there was a need for

[0:47:32] Voice 11: clarity with respect to um how we regulate them like how many are allowed on a property and such

[0:47:39] Voice 11: um a an option is to look at um sales tenders by these bylaws where shipping containers

[0:47:47] Voice 11: they identify a specific number on different sides sizes of property um the apc felt that uh

[0:47:56] Voice 11: There's a need to define shipping container and find the number allowed on different types of property.

[0:48:04] Voice 11: So certainly staff can draft the definition as part of the draft amendments for discussion.

[0:48:14] Voice 11: discussion um but what would be helpful to know is um is there interest in taking a similar approach

[0:48:23] Voice 11: of self-pender or do you have an idea of of you know how many spring camps you might want to allow

[0:48:29] Voice 11: but i think the self-pender model is good i think that we could be you know quite nitpicky and as

[0:48:39] Voice 11: each property gets larger increase the numbers but if someone wanted to exceed the three and

[0:48:44] Voice 11: we know we have properties with way more than that um they could apply for a variance to do

[0:48:50] Voice 11: that so i think we should just keep it short and simple um they are becoming you know proliferation

[0:48:55] Voice 11: and so to be able to keep a handle on just how many when we have some properties with huge

[0:49:01] Voice 11: numbers um i think that that would give us the control i i mean you could go up have a 10 acre

[0:49:08] Voice 11: per piece and go five out of ten i i think we should keep it short and simple for a number of

[0:49:14] Voice 11: containers okay

[0:49:16] Voice 4: yes david um

[0:49:18] Trustee Maude: well what i what i would suggest is that shipping containers be

[0:49:21] Trustee Maude: treated identically to accessory buildings and

[0:49:24] Voice 11: that's generally that's how they've been yeah so

[0:49:27] Trustee Maude: so so if if we're you're allowed to have three accessory buildings if those accessory buildings

[0:49:33] Trustee Maude: which happened to be containers.

[0:49:34] Trustee Maude: I just, because we're originally brought this to the LTC

[0:49:39] Trustee Maude: was because it was one of those gray areas.

[0:49:41] Trustee Maude: And a lot of people thought a shipping container

[0:49:43] Trustee Maude: wasn't anything, but a temporary structure

[0:49:45] Trustee Maude: didn't need anything.

[0:49:47] Trustee Maude: So if we define them as being accessory building,

[0:49:50] Trustee Maude: so basically we provide a proper definition

[0:49:54] Trustee Maude: of accessory buildings with land use bylaw,

[0:49:57] Trustee Maude: we say comma and shipping containers,

[0:49:59] Trustee Maude: and then have an additional definition

[0:50:02] Trustee Maude: of a shipping container which I think needs to be one of those anal thingies like the whatever the

[0:50:08] Trustee Maude: international thing is for a shipping connect because a lot of people think like they can

[0:50:12] Trustee Maude: bring in say um an old reefer truck and say well no that's a shipping container or a box office

[0:50:19] Trustee Maude: say a one-ton truck and say it's a shipping container um where I think that we need to

[0:50:23] Trustee Maude: properly define a shipping container as what people think a shipping container is which is

[0:50:30] Trustee Maude: an international shipping device and it has the proper nsc code blah blah blah so i think we just

[0:50:36] Trustee Maude: trying to get maybe it's a little bit anal on what a shipping container is and say a shipping

[0:50:41] Trustee Maude: container is an accessory building i think that captures it so it almost

[0:50:45] Voice 11: is it maybe just needs

[0:50:46] Trustee Maude: a couple of definitions so

[0:50:48] Voice 11: yeah look at the definitions and just i mean essentially they're

[0:50:51] Voice 11: just pretty tight so just providing that yeah

[0:50:54] Trustee Maude: okay

[0:50:56] Voice 3: super

[0:50:58] Trustee Maude: trusty elliott where do you want to

[0:51:00] Trustee Maude: fill it on this shipping container debacle i

[0:51:03] Voice 5: do not want to weigh in on the debacle of shipping

[0:51:06] Voice 5: containers i think it's really up to you to decide what's appropriate and yes as you say a variance

[0:51:12] Voice 5: can be sought if um if there's a demonstrated need for more so

[0:51:23] Voice 3: moving moving right along um

[0:51:27] Voice 11: so uh here it it's about um creating livestock the existing definition was was restricted to the list

[0:51:36] Voice 11: of livestock are not identified. So the suggestion is just to open that up to the keeping of

[0:51:48] Voice 11: livestock generally that could be interpreted now would be one type of time needed and just

[0:51:54] Voice 11: maintaining the no more than one horse. So it's really just you know there's other livestock that

[0:52:02] Voice 11: if it's not on your list,

[0:52:03] Voice 11: it's a good place to be able to start to

[0:52:07] Voice 11: send it to us.

[0:52:08] Voice 5: Yes. David, don't wait for me to recognize you.

[0:52:10] Voice 5: You're in the room.

[0:52:12] Voice 5: Just go ahead and...

[0:52:14] Trustee Maude: I tend to respect the...

[0:52:15] Trustee Maude: I appreciate the respect.

[0:52:18] Voice 5: I will. Yes.

[0:52:20] Trustee Maude: So this will be a free-for-all

[0:52:21] Trustee Maude: chit-chat back and forth, and you will not be disrespectful.

[0:52:24] Voice 5: Absolutely. Please do.

[0:52:25] Trustee Maude: All right. So I'm going to chit-chat

[0:52:27] Trustee Maude: with a couple of questions.

[0:52:30] Voice 11: Is

[0:52:30] Trustee Maude: a chicken a lifestyle?

[0:52:31] Trustee Maude: Is

[0:52:33] Voice 11: a chicken livestock? Well, under the definition of livestock, well, this is a good question, right? If you want to differentiate it from, I don't believe it's differentiated.

[0:52:46] Trustee Maude: Yeah, because what we've done is we've basically, we're very prescriptive in what we do, but I don't know if a livestock, if a chicken is falling underneath that.

[0:53:00] Trustee Maude: and the other one is like the previous concerns were over

[0:53:04] Trustee Maude: which which we we went back and forth and we seem to land on that that was more of a pet than

[0:53:12] Trustee Maude: livestock under right um so are we are we actually solving what our issue was

[0:53:22] Voice 3: because

[0:53:23] Trustee Maude: i think chickens chickens for sure it's going to be the number one question somebody's

[0:53:26] Trustee Maude: ask me is the chicken livestock. So it

[0:53:28] Voice 11: doesn't, chickens are not much so they're poor

[0:53:32] Voice 11: so yeah.

[0:53:34] Voice 11: Yeah the sweet

[0:53:35] Voice 11: issue is the pet or the livestock that's maybe a gray area.

[0:53:41] Voice 11: But I'd say I mean with this approach you're basically

[0:53:45] Voice 11: you're basically identifying life thought but you say it's not limited to so yeah if

[0:53:50] Voice 11: yeah and yeah

[0:53:53] Voice 11: and chickens are adults so

[0:53:55] Trustee Maude: chickens are a separate thing because it i i hear both sides of the of the

[0:54:00] Trustee Maude: chicken argument

[0:54:01] Voice 11: it's the

[0:54:02] Voice 11: roosters not the chickens the roosters

[0:54:04] Voice 11: well there are no roosters only

[0:54:06] Voice 11: chickens what

[0:54:07] Trustee Maude: they do is they do attack rodents in some places yes um

[0:54:10] Trustee Maude: so i don't know so i just i

[0:54:13] Trustee Maude: didn't but

[0:54:14] Voice 11: we should just add poultry poultry i mean trusty

[0:54:21] Trustee Maude: dogs is the chicken well and many

[0:54:23] Voice 11: people, I mean keeping of chickens even in the municipality center is permitted. So yeah,

[0:54:28] Voice 11: chickens are the most common livestock you're going to find in in our rural areas. So you're

[0:54:33] Trustee Maude: suggesting we should add chicken into the

[0:54:35] Voice 11: poultry. Then you're talking about skis. So this

[0:54:39] Voice 11: means that

[0:54:40] Voice 11: you're prohibiting, you'd be prohibiting. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I get it. No, I guess what you're

[0:54:47] Voice 11: going so no we wouldn't yeah i mean if we don't mention poultry then it's not prohibitive yes

[0:54:52] Voice 11: because we

[0:55:01] Trustee Maude: say unless something is specifically permitted that is prohibited that is the general

[0:55:08] Trustee Maude: interpretation we do in the violent enforcement and we do have the violent person manager

[0:55:11] Trustee Maude: so if we don't talk about chickens our chickens prohibited

[0:55:16] Trustee Maude: it well

[0:55:18] Voice 11: um do

[0:55:21] Trustee Maude: you want to just take that back and work

[0:55:23] Voice 11: with it okay i will um i will i will

[0:55:25] Voice 11: yes i don't work with that i will i will okay but i think i think what i'll have to look at is like

[0:55:32] Voice 11: um i will look at the definition of livestock the way that you people so

[0:55:37] Trustee Maude: i i know that the

[0:55:40] Trustee Maude: um mr ding has joined us so and this is this is totally an interesting question

[0:55:45] Trustee Maude: is that if somebody right now we do not talk about chickens in our land use file so if somebody put

[0:55:51] Trustee Maude: in a bylaw complaint right now about somebody having half a dozen chickens in their backyard

[0:55:56] Trustee Maude: is that a non-permitted use what

[0:56:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): we look at is whether or not agriculture is permitted on the lot

[0:56:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): so if there's no agriculture permitted on the lot then it would be a prohibited use

[0:56:10] Trustee Maude: I think Planner Chadwick and you will be having a conversation shortly about livestock and

[0:56:18] Trustee Maude: chickens and such and we'll see because because rural

[0:56:21] Voice 11: does the sediment residential does not so

[0:56:23] Trustee Maude: so to respect the the the genius of Trustee Dodds and her long history of chickens so

[0:56:32] Trustee Maude: this is something that you think we should have we should permit well obviously

[0:56:36] Voice 11: Yes, in the

[0:56:37] Voice 11: residential areas where agriculture, the settlement residential, so yes, obviously.

[0:56:44] Voice 11: So

[0:56:44] Trustee Maude: we don't allow

[0:56:45] Voice 11: agriculture in them.

[0:56:46] Trustee Maude: So somehow in this work

[0:56:49] Voice 11: we need to do, we need

[0:56:49] Voice 11: this to allow chickens.

[0:56:51] Voice 11: Yes, so I'll have a good look at that and consider that and make sure that

[0:56:55] Voice 11: what we're doing there is going to restrict chickens.

[0:56:58] Voice 5: My vote is for

[0:57:00] Voice 5: chickens, thank you.

[0:57:02] Trustee Maude: okay so i'm glad that we we we crossed that line because that was sort of a

[0:57:07] Trustee Maude: afterthought yes yes

[0:57:08] Voice 11: okay all right

[0:57:10] Voice 11: we'll have a look at that for sure okay next one

[0:57:14] Voice 11: personal law practice is easy there have been no issues with so

[0:57:18] Voice 3: no

[0:57:19] Voice 11: need to regulate this is

[0:57:20] Voice 11: all about um the story and selling i think of personal water something like that right

[0:57:26] Voice 11: um because there's no issues uh i think the it was there was interest from the um

[0:57:31] Voice 11: ltc just to remove that from him peace rental or sales is what it is um and the agency had

[0:57:40] Voice 11: to follow that so so still for the conversation i'll move to the next group um so this is a

[0:57:46] Voice 11: definition of um of modern vehicle um and this is more about um thoroughly like uh the distance of

[0:57:55] Voice 11: derelict boats and trailers and being able to move and remove them so the option is really to add to

[0:58:00] Voice 11: 3.12 boats and trailers to derelict vehicles which only

[0:58:06] Voice 11: restricts what you can have on your property

[0:58:11] Voice 11: so the APC was supportive of what was presented by staff which is basically you know to restrict

[0:58:20] Voice 11: the number of, you know,

[0:58:23] Voice 11: combine the number of those things

[0:58:25] Voice 11: that you can add for derelict

[0:58:27] Voice 11: vehicle-based trailers.

[0:58:29] Trustee Maude: Yeah, so that sounds great.

[0:58:32] Trustee Maude: My one question would be, based on

[0:58:33] Trustee Maude: the previous one, when you go through all these,

[0:58:36] Trustee Maude: do you sit down

[0:58:37] Trustee Maude: with Mr. Dingman and go, this is

[0:58:39] Trustee Maude: what, you know, I was looking at,

[0:58:41] Trustee Maude: are these workable?

[0:58:43] Voice 11: Yeah, when we have issues around things, I have

[0:58:45] Voice 11: conversations.

[0:58:46] Trustee Maude: Yeah, so we make sure the wording

[0:58:47] Trustee Maude: is right. Oh, yeah.

[0:58:49] Voice 11: Absolutely.

[0:58:51] Voice 11: yeah um so moving into the uh the rezoning stuff that are all based on existing uh temporary use

[0:59:00] Voice 11: for it's more or less for the benefit uh the state which is just uh basically take out the

[0:59:06] Voice 11: restricting the restricted area for um residential use basically allow it all like on on the lot

[0:59:15] Voice 11: more flexibility for housing essentially um anyways we have the church property um

[0:59:22] Voice 11: making that more flexible so it's not restricted to just seniors housing, thrift store, TUP

[0:59:29] Voice 11: just allowing it in zoning, the pet clinic allowing that in zoning, and a music festival

[0:59:38] Voice 11: And there was no issues with that from the AUC with any of those.

[0:59:46] Voice 3: Maybe. Yeah, so that's the

[0:59:52] Voice 11: the next ones were ones that required a bit more discussion.

[1:00:00] Voice 11: BC various property, there was some some interest in the LTC to think about, you know, whether

[1:00:06] Voice 11: the reason that could be zoned as community use and I, staff was recommending that it

[1:00:10] Voice 11: actually would require a bit more conversation, including community input. So it would be

[1:00:18] Voice 11: better to take it off the technical review and address it, maybe encourage BC various

[1:00:25] Voice 11: and apc thought that was a good approach um definition of seawall is a bit more of a

[1:00:34] Voice 11: conversation i think um so this is this is where you know the erosion property owns actually need

[1:00:42] Voice 11: to go ahead and try to address their erosion erosion with the building of seawalls which can

[1:00:50] Voice 11: be of all types and all kinds and all different approaches. And so there's interest in defining

[1:01:02] Voice 11: seawall which isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do. Currently the way that these seawalls are

[1:01:13] Voice 11: Our address is just through a case-by-case basis when they occur and our address as such.

[1:01:23] Voice 11: And that's an opportunity for some education for that particular property owner.

[1:01:27] Voice 11: owner. And so staff are still citing more towards encouraging

[1:01:35] Voice 11: more regulations on the seashore, on the seashore,

[1:01:40] Voice 11: adding that to, to your projects to be doing possibly development

[1:01:49] Voice 11: permit area, which would require more rigor around seaballs.

[1:01:54] Voice 11: that's yeah been involved in issuing permits for seawalls one of which was concrete because that

[1:02:06] Voice 11: was really the only kind of seawall that's going to exist on that property and the other is just

[1:02:09] Voice 11: natural rocks and wood stuff that would happen anyhow and then i'm also aware of various seawalls

[1:02:15] Voice 11: that exist without permission so i'm wondering if there's a way to create a definition of a seawall

[1:02:23] Voice 11: that is just a very innocuous natural rock and log um simply supporting the i mean we have all

[1:02:30] Voice 11: kinds of rocks out here along georgina point there has to be a middle ground to make it simpler for

[1:02:37] Voice 11: some and it's a very few not very many properties but for a lot of them like we restricted the height

[1:02:42] Voice 11: so in other words you couldn't just stack rocks 20 feet high um that you would allow like i think

[1:02:48] Voice 11: of the one i have to take you to picket bay when they would show you but the regular rule for them

[1:02:52] Voice 11: them to hire a geotech and apply for a permit and do all of that versus what they actually have

[1:03:00] Voice 11: there it's to me what they had there you know shouldn't have required them to spend all the

[1:03:06] Voice 11: money to do what they did so I did think it becomes a burden for some people so if we could

[1:03:11] Voice 11: somehow leave this as an open conversation still a fine line because certainly anyone who's hard

[1:03:17] Voice 11: are you know hardscaping or is in an area that is going to need a huge big creation um definitely

[1:03:25] Voice 11: that they need to go through a more of a process but there has to be that little like the very

[1:03:30] Voice 11: minimal amount that someone can do it i can certainly show you a few of them that that

[1:03:35] Trustee Maude: either

[1:03:36] Voice 11: don't have permits or do have permits and none of which are impacting neighbors

[1:03:40] Voice 11: yeah

[1:03:40] Trustee Maude: certainly i like the definition it

[1:03:44] Voice 11: was to say that stonewall that's you know the arrow put

[1:03:46] Voice 11: on his speech over here at miners bay which didn't need any anything from the trust committee because

[1:03:51] Voice 11: it was all on the portion and and there's and

[1:03:54] Voice 11: yet it's could have probably is impacting the

[1:03:57] Voice 11: neighbors there but you could get away with it if you just sit on four short about four shorties

[1:04:01] Voice 11: so that's that big rock wall yeah if there's no

[1:04:04] Voice 11: development which

[1:04:05] Voice 10: is not at

[1:04:06] Voice 11: all what i yeah

[1:04:08] Voice 11: right right yeah so i so

[1:04:10] Voice 11: i'm not disagreeing with the development permit area idea but i think we

[1:04:14] Voice 11: need to give people that slightly easier option for the simple fixes because the

[1:04:19] Trustee Maude: definition that

[1:04:21] Trustee Maude: i liked was it's a structure that's less than one and a half meters in height constructive native

[1:04:28] Trustee Maude: materials um

[1:04:29] Trustee Maude: short and simple because because it is the common thing i should say is for people to

[1:04:35] Trustee Maude: do rocks and and oftentimes they'll top it off with a couple of logs and

[1:04:40] Trustee Maude: they

[1:04:41] Voice 11: have to redo that

[1:04:42] Voice 11: every couple of years because then it doesn't really matter what you put in there none of it's

[1:04:46] Voice 11: long-term really storms it's going to build up just

[1:04:49] Trustee Maude: because certainly like when you when you

[1:04:51] Trustee Maude: build like the old base even like solid concrete and all that like those are huge deleterious

[1:04:58] Trustee Maude: events um the the the stonework tends to absorb energy not the deflect energy um and and which

[1:05:06] Trustee Maude: they don't move yeah but certainly as you as you say this does apply to a lot of the island for

[1:05:11] Trustee Maude: the need no and

[1:05:13] Trustee Maude: most of the people who have the need have done it i know and

[1:05:16] Trustee Maude: then in that form

[1:05:17] Trustee Maude: yeah so it's not i think it's it's actually more like embracing what's already there what's there

[1:05:24] Voice 11: okay this is good like so what what i'm thinking i could come back because i'm thinking maybe it's

[1:05:29] Voice 11: like what is it that we need to find that erosion measures like the other ones to see more and

[1:05:35] Voice 11: maybe there's a maybe there's a a limit like you said one meter one

[1:05:40] Trustee Maude: is one and a half meters

[1:05:44] Voice 11: natural materials

[1:05:49] Voice 11: okay i can have a look at that and then just figure out what the issues might be

[1:05:55] Voice 11: just some sort of opening a door for i mean there already are a lot well there's not a lot

[1:06:01] Voice 11: Fortunately for Maine Island, there's not a lot of areas, and then the

[1:06:05] Voice 11: areas that are falling in like Georgian and Wood Road are a high waste problem.

[1:06:12] Voice 11: The rocks along there.

[1:06:14] Voice 11: Okay, so sorry

[1:06:16] Voice 5: just before you move on for this, for my own information, if you specify the type of materials that could be used to create a seawall or protect from erosion.

[1:06:28] Voice 5: erosion um but if you don't specify how they're going to quantify the impacts doesn't it make for

[1:06:36] Voice 5: the same thing like i've seen um seawalls constructed with giant natural rocks boulders

[1:06:45] Voice 5: that are brought in from somewhere else on the island and it's a huge um structure in the setback

[1:06:52] Voice 5: area and it will change the one

[1:06:55] Voice 11: and a half meters one and a half meters

[1:06:58] Voice 5: you

[1:06:59] Voice 11: bet short and small but

[1:07:01] Voice 11: i get your point because the forest will it will erode you know if you if you just had one property

[1:07:07] Voice 11: with that particular structure and the neighbors didn't have it then it's

[1:07:12] Voice 5: not it's not just the

[1:07:13] Voice 5: effect on the neighbors it's the effect on sea life because the shoreline how it curves and and

[1:07:21] Voice 5: the currents are then um sent in other directions could affect you know clam beds and things so i

[1:07:28] Voice 5: don't know any enough about this but i mean isn't that why you'd have a geotech and and sort of

[1:07:34] Trustee Maude: the only thing is traditionally speaking on main island um most of these areas um is basically it's

[1:07:41] Trustee Maude: it's a it's a steep or a shallow rock bench like it's solid rock it's not like sandy beaches um or

[1:07:49] Trustee Maude: anything in because it's just it seems that with the island there's certain areas that are

[1:07:52] Trustee Maude: stratified so it's basically it's a rock shell coming to a soft bang

[1:07:56] Voice 3: and

[1:07:57] Trustee Maude: and that's where the

[1:07:58] Trustee Maude: loss tends to be certainly when you get out to the reserve all those losses there it's a lot of sandy

[1:08:04] Trustee Maude: beaches it's rock coming up to sand which is just totally causing massive erosion and we're talking

[1:08:11] Voice 11: main island with 400 lots on the waterfront of which 90 are already built on so what we're talking

[1:08:17] Voice 11: or what i'm talking about is protecting homes we're not talking

[1:08:21] Voice 11: undeveloped land we're not

[1:08:22] Voice 11: talking clam beds talking very few areas where people in fact actually have already have some

[1:08:28] Voice 11: stones in place to protect their their property and their homes because 40 50 60 years ago

[1:08:36] Voice 11: no one thought about any of that and so and for some people it is it's an expensive proposition

[1:08:41] Voice 11: opposition to bring in and apply for permits and do all of that so it would be nice

[1:08:46] Voice 11: to acknowledge

[1:08:47] Voice 11: that need it's a

[1:08:49] Voice 11: very small need on the other it's not huge but every time you impose another

[1:08:54] Voice 11: permit on a property owner it makes it that much harder for them to stay in their home

[1:09:00] Voice 5: yep i'm i do recognize that it's just trying to understand you know in 50 years from now when

[1:09:06] Voice 5: climate change is altering

[1:09:08] Voice 5: the shoreline considerably.

[1:09:11] Voice 5: The protections

[1:09:12] Voice 5: that are...

[1:09:13] Voice 5: What is appropriate protection?

[1:09:15] Voice 5: Don't build anywhere close

[1:09:18] Voice 5: to the shore.

[1:09:19] Voice 5: What we

[1:09:20] Voice 11: unfortunately made is

[1:09:22] Voice 11: to say I think very few

[1:09:24] Voice 11: undeveloped waterfront lots.

[1:09:25] Voice 11: The majority have already built one.

[1:09:27] Voice 3: It

[1:09:28] Trustee Maude: also is that going forward

[1:09:30] Trustee Maude: as you say, is climate

[1:09:32] Trustee Maude: change going to have an effect on these type of things?

[1:09:35] Trustee Maude: and you know

[1:09:36] Trustee Maude: I think our concern needs to be

[1:09:38] Trustee Maude: about the bigger stuff

[1:09:39] Trustee Maude: we saw over on Pender Island

[1:09:42] Trustee Maude: where they had to pour a 30 foot high

[1:09:44] Trustee Maude: concrete wall to protect an archaeological site

[1:09:47] Trustee Maude: and

[1:09:48] Voice 10: that was okay

[1:09:48] Voice 10: but the other one we did at Village Bay

[1:09:50] Voice 10: somehow wasn't

[1:09:51] Trustee Maude: yeah

[1:09:53] Voice 5: Narissa did

[1:09:54] Voice 5: you have something to

[1:09:55] Voice 5: yeah I

[1:09:56] Voice 11: just wanted to say

[1:09:57] Voice 11: I think

[1:09:58] Voice 11: I think

[1:10:02] Voice 11: and I think

[1:10:03] Voice 11: I'd like to see those

[1:10:04] Voice 11: um example okay yeah yeah you might want to um okay divine or or you want to address it

[1:10:13] Voice 11: okay

[1:10:13] Voice 3: moving

[1:10:21] Voice 11: on um so height of accessory building um there was a question related to uh the height

[1:10:27] Voice 11: of accessory building potential increasing because of the the applications that are being received

[1:10:34] Voice 11: Steve. So let's just do a little bit of research to see how many applications we're receiving

[1:10:44] Voice 11: will indicate that there aren't very many. So from that perspective, it doesn't seem

[1:10:48] Voice 11: to be an issue. So the recommendation is just to think as is, and the APC seems to agree

[1:10:54] Voice 11: with that. Okay, moving on. Okay, more of what's David's favorite subject. So yes,

[1:11:06] Voice 11: left authority regarding what is permitted and we get we get a legal opinion it was clearly identified

[1:11:14] Voice 11: that more employees are not permitted in the water protection zone so keeping things as is provides

[1:11:21] Voice 11: you the opportunity to enforce if you upon things that you'd like to enforce on it doesn't require

[1:11:29] Voice 11: are usually closed um and so staff recommendation was to make no changes um also because if you were

[1:11:38] Voice 11: going to um take regulatory approaches um i think you have to think through it quite carefully and

[1:11:47] Voice 11: how that it might be regulated and i think that's an example of uh going on that's been

[1:11:52] Voice 11: the regulatory regime related to their uh their morning boys um and we recently wanted them to do

[1:12:01] Voice 11: that um so the apc has recommended that the lcc create a project to develop um regulations

[1:12:12] Voice 11: regarding my boys um and uh the staff staff suggested that um yeah yes like it would be a

[1:12:23] Voice 11: of course it would need to be developed you're going to move in that direction

[1:12:28] Voice 11: and could be added so it could be added to the future projects

[1:12:33] Voice 11: yeah

[1:12:33] Trustee Maude: i think that this has maybe got distilled down a little bit far because

[1:12:37] Trustee Maude: it's like right now we have no zoning with i think there's a lot more than more invoice

[1:12:42] Trustee Maude: with no water zones that we'd like to like to talk about um what and so i support this approach

[1:12:50] Trustee Maude: based on jumping ahead if we have a little bit of oversight on the violent enforcement

[1:12:56] Trustee Maude: so so you know it is if we could if we're saying okay we're going to put off the future project

[1:13:04] Trustee Maude: well let's micromanage what happens with enforcement on the waters because i think

[1:13:10] Trustee Maude: the majority of the business right now i believe the ltc supports so we so by us saying it's not

[1:13:16] Trustee Maude: permitted any any zone we're we're i think we're asking for a whole can of what mass

[1:13:23] Trustee Maude: to put in the civilized sport um so if we actually work with biome enforcement so when there's a

[1:13:29] Trustee Maude: complaint made that the response is appropriate within the context of the ltc i think we can move

[1:13:38] Trustee Maude: forward with this that way um so if we're jumping ahead we're we're looking at that option i'm cool

[1:13:45] Trustee Maude: with that if we don't do that option i want to come back to this because i think we need to do

[1:13:49] Trustee Maude: something so a plus b equals c a is okay i need b to make c right

[1:13:56] Voice 11: yeah and i think maybe um

[1:13:58] Voice 11: that's an opportunity for uh manager uh

[1:14:03] Voice 3: english to type in if he's on the line yeah

[1:14:10] Voice 3: but we'll deal with it with the course yeah

[1:14:13] Voice 11: um

[1:14:14] Trustee Maude: so i think i think just about you well

[1:14:18] Voice 11: i i think

[1:14:19] Voice 11: we should i think we need to do a long-term we need to add it to the long-term project list

[1:14:23] Voice 11: because it's about more things than just moving this and it's trust-wide so it's a big project

[1:14:31] Voice 11: it should be a

[1:14:35] Voice 5: regional planning committee project yeah

[1:14:37] Voice 11: it's really bigger than

[1:14:39] Voice 11: just us yeah yeah

[1:14:40] Voice 5: Totally.

[1:14:44] Voice 11: Yay. So I've got two things here. One is leave as is now.

[1:14:54] Voice 11: To have further conversation as a future project for the LCC or for the new planning committee

[1:14:59] Voice 11: in terms of my voice and look at final approaches definitely. Yeah. Okay. Okay,

[1:15:08] Voice 11: Okay, wood sheds and setbacks. So this was another volume of applications. Wood sheds are currently not permitted in setbacks. Their staff recommendation was to make no changes, because there's the opportunity for a DVP application.

[1:15:30] Voice 11: application. APC was recommending a clear definition of woodshed that specifies size

[1:15:39] Voice 11: and type of structure, and I think that is related to actually supporting setbacks. Basically,

[1:15:47] Voice 11: if the LTC does want to support remaining setbacks, then that does recommend that you

[1:15:53] Voice 11: be very specific about size and type to end up with a very large woodshed.

[1:15:58] Voice 11: yeah so so i you know i definitely think 100 square feet um checked with somebody in the

[1:16:04] Voice 11: size i'm amazed as i start looking how many there are within the setbacks and the other point about

[1:16:10] Voice 11: putting your woodshed in the setback is you do not want your woodshed close to your house

[1:16:14] Voice 11: and we have a lot of very tiny lots in terms of the distances and the areas where people actually

[1:16:21] Voice 11: can put woodsheds i could i'll take a few pictures in the next few weeks um because you know my idea

[1:16:27] Voice 11: of a woodshed is it has a roof and maybe a solid that but basically it's an open structure it's not

[1:16:33] Voice 11: on a cement floor it's not closed in i mean these are open-sided and the ones i see are basically

[1:16:40] Voice 11: like that they've got slots of wood across to support them but they're not solid closing with

[1:16:46] Voice 11: doors

[1:16:47] Trustee Maude: pictures

[1:16:49] Voice 11: but

[1:16:50] Trustee Maude: it certainly is that there needs to be a definition

[1:16:55] Trustee Maude: because like it has one of those those terms that something about a tractor oh yeah

[1:17:03] Voice 11: for

[1:17:04] Trustee Maude: seasonal use like like a proper definition

[1:17:07] Voice 11: well and also the fire safety issues yeah there's

[1:17:11] Voice 11: a lot so it will include a lot of problems in the future because

[1:17:15] Trustee Maude: i think that the three issues

[1:17:16] Trustee Maude: it's fire safety it's bugs and it's roads right is

[1:17:21] Trustee Maude: it is that they're they're hosts for for three

[1:17:23] Trustee Maude: vehicles that they want to get away from our homes

[1:17:25] Voice 11: liveaboards

[1:17:29] Trustee Maude: okay

[1:17:30] Voice 11: so we're looking at a definition of of woodshed and then allowing that in setback

[1:17:43] Voice 3: Okay, next. From

[1:17:45] Voice 11: woodshed to outhouse. So, outhouses are considered an accessory structure.

[1:17:58] Voice 11: So, therefore, they are allowed in the bylaw. So, the bylaw just doesn't specify use,

[1:18:08] Voice 11: and it's not really necessary to go down that route. And if you do go down that route, then,

[1:18:13] Voice 11: um you know you potentially um it's the the health that's a health that's the health

[1:18:22] Trustee Maude: the actual

[1:18:25] Voice 11: structure is our issue so the actual structure is currently

[1:18:30] Voice 11: but

[1:18:31] Trustee Maude: we have written file of course notices on our house so because

[1:18:34] Voice 11: it was in a setback

[1:18:35] Trustee Maude: so the

[1:18:36] Voice 11: regulator is the same way as any other accessory building so if it's to be in a setback

[1:18:43] Voice 11: then as well and i don't would not want an outhouse in the setback okay so so it's an

[1:18:49] Voice 11: accessory building and

[1:18:50] Voice 11: if you want to put a knee up you need a barrier so

[1:18:54] Trustee Maude: so let's so

[1:18:56] Trustee Maude: so the compromise would be is that other definition of accessibility

[1:19:07] So now

[1:19:27] Voice 3: we get to

[1:19:27] Voice 11: the agricultural society land setbacks, so there's concerns with setbacks

[1:19:37] Voice 11: being enforced in the agricultural society lands, some buildings of which the one we're in

[1:19:53] Voice 11: So the staff have been recommending no change because the DDP can be applied for it and

[1:20:00] Voice 11: it can be sponsored because it's a non-profit society so there would be no charge but it

[1:20:08] Voice 11: allow setbacks to be addressed on case-by-case basis. The APC comments, they recommend

[1:20:20] Voice 11: setbacks. They're supporting the setbacks. So again, we have a difference of opinion, so

[1:20:29] Voice 11: it's

[1:20:29] Trustee Maude: up to you. Well, the difference of opinion is that yes, if somebody applies for DVT,

[1:20:35] Trustee Maude: the the fee may be waived but you're still requirements for surveys a lot of other

[1:20:41] Trustee Maude: requirements that come with that pvp um i'm exceptionally comfortable with zero

[1:20:46] Trustee Maude: as was the apc trustee dodge yeah

[1:20:49] Voice 11: no i'm i don't think it's it especially for this particular area

[1:20:54] Voice 11: in this particular piece of property i i'm comfortable with it if they actually chose

[1:20:59] Voice 11: to make the thrift shop all on the side of the road um i don't think that's an issue i think

[1:21:04] Voice 11: we're all used to this being that congested area if the egg fall broke down they'd still be able

[1:21:10] Voice 11: to build it within the setback it could save saves a lot of hassle in the future if they want you to

[1:21:19] Voice 11: expand or rebuild the old thrift shop versus the shop next door and

[1:21:25] Trustee Maude: the reality is is you know in

[1:21:28] Voice 11: the city like in in the city setbacks are like really really close because

[1:21:33] Trustee Maude: these are community

[1:21:34] Trustee Maude: the old structures operated by the community and parents thought that they wanted to ever do

[1:21:41] Trustee Maude: anything that was disrespectful to the community so comfort yeah

[1:21:45] Voice 11: we'll just all right get rid of

[1:21:47] Voice 11: that hurdle one mini hurdle that may never happen all right okay moving to another issue

[1:21:56] Voice 11: issue, how

[1:21:56] Voice 4: do you get so

[1:21:57] Voice 11: so so we had the last review, you could

[1:22:03] Voice 11: patio and then which is a low lying

[1:22:13] Voice 11: height of 45 centimeters. Right. And at that point, we've

[1:22:22] Voice 11: permitted patios in setback areas, but not see.

[1:22:27] Voice 11: staff's recommendation is still not to include them in the setback from the sea and also just

[1:22:33] Voice 11: flagging the fact that by doing so it may contravene the out of stress policy statement

[1:22:42] Voice 11: related to protecting the natural coastal areas. The APC was supporting a lot of setbacks

[1:22:55] Voice 11: from the sea so yeah

[1:22:58] Trustee Maude: so i guess i want to jump in with this contrary to the the um

[1:23:03] Trustee Maude: trust policy statement like i i did a brief review of many many islands where variances have been

[1:23:10] Trustee Maude: permitted for for dax all sorts of stuff with their setbacks never once was that flagged as

[1:23:17] Trustee Maude: being contrary to trust policy statement we did we just did one down here in village bay

[1:23:23] Trustee Maude: special qualities to the very trouble where we took the setbacks to zero for a concrete patio

[1:23:29] Trustee Maude: that was never flagged as being a contrary to trust policy statement so so i don't think that

[1:23:38] Trustee Maude: this benign application of putting wood adjacent to to the foreshore is being contrary to the

[1:23:47] Trustee Maude: correct policy but also the fact that all the other uses are permitted that are very arguably

[1:23:53] Trustee Maude: very deleterious this is the most benign thing somebody could do so i just think it's in all

[1:23:59] Trustee Maude: fairness that this is not a problem

[1:24:03] Voice 11: and can we define and they're thinking like docks and now

[1:24:07] Voice 11: when you build a dock you have to have like more open area for the light to get down through so

[1:24:13] Voice 11: So can you define wooden patios to be of a certain type of construction

[1:24:19] Voice 11: so that you're not depriving the dirt underneath,

[1:24:23] Voice 11: which you are with all the...

[1:24:25] Voice 11: And again, I can show you an incredible concrete,

[1:24:28] Voice 11: complete front yard covered in concrete, lots of paving.

[1:24:31] Voice 11: The whole property is almost built on it.

[1:24:36] Voice 11: So I think we could define the patio of a certain structure

[1:24:40] Voice 11: that lets as much natural air and light in as possible.

[1:24:43] Voice 11: It also is, to me, a

[1:24:44] Voice 11: patio is not something that's a deck.

[1:24:46] Voice 11: A deck by height to patio would be one foot off the ground.

[1:24:51] Voice 11: I think we can come up with a patio definition

[1:24:56] Voice 11: that is as environmentally friendly,

[1:25:01] Voice 11: much, much friendlier than, for instance,

[1:25:03] Voice 11: how many people would actually ever build this?

[1:25:06] Voice 11: We don't have that many properties

[1:25:08] Voice 11: properties where the houses are in a flat area and you have a slug over the fence yeah through the

[1:25:14] Voice 11: chair go ahead Narissa jump in

[1:25:16] Voice 11: I would just say oh

[1:25:17] Trustee Maude: she's still there

[1:25:18] Voice 11: um um it feels to me like

[1:25:23] Voice 11: the problem is allowing those other structures as well with we need our for sure so that was

[1:25:32] Voice 11: an issue that wasn't actually identified but we could also look at that at the same time as we

[1:25:38] Voice 11: do a whole foreshore so we drop this and then actually do a foreshore education review but i

[1:25:43] Voice 11: don't know

[1:25:44] Trustee Maude: because because the reality is that these are the whole island yeah

[1:25:49] Voice 11: that sounds like

[1:25:49] Voice 11: a real issue yeah

[1:25:50] Trustee Maude: but what if no but well we're trying to add one printed juice which is wood

[1:25:57] Trustee Maude: versus all the other stuff so rather than taking things away we're trying just to add one little

[1:26:02] Trustee Maude: thing to encourage people to do the right thing because because if we go down the rabbit hole

[1:26:08] Trustee Maude: of talking about all the other materials that's the project and you can and you're going to have

[1:26:13] Trustee Maude: a room full of people if you're not very happy so it's i i just i would rather stick with what

[1:26:20] Trustee Maude: we're trying to do is just add the wood is to be prevented because now when

[1:26:25] Voice 11: you build on the

[1:26:26] Voice 11: waterfront you can't have a wooden patio but you can put paving stones down yeah so this is where

[1:26:31] Voice 11: the question is

[1:26:32] Voice 3: would you

[1:26:33] Voice 11: like to add that as a project because this has come up before and the

[1:26:37] Voice 11: the only downside is that we basically already have pretty much a buildup of the waterfront

[1:26:42] Voice 11: right yeah it would just it would just have been wrenched any further yeah yeah

[1:26:46] Trustee Maude: but it also would

[1:26:48] Trustee Maude: because the thing is wood tends to be the most economic in the building and people are using

[1:26:52] Trustee Maude: concrete because they're not allowed to use wood right so

[1:26:55] Trustee Maude: they're spending like five ten times as

[1:26:57] Trustee Maude: much to build something because they're not allowed to build the benign thing and actually

[1:27:01] Voice 11: i'd like to go back to that more of the educational approach if we ever figure out

[1:27:06] Voice 11: the time and energy to do that yeah i bet people understand why they shouldn't be over developing

[1:27:12] Voice 11: yes over paving over covering what the purpose of that foreshore land is but it's a very small

[1:27:20] Voice 11: percentage that we're talking about in terms of our entire foreshore that is still common

[1:27:24] Voice 11: and how many people would actually build a wooden deck at this point i don't know i don't know

[1:27:30] Voice 11: people who have actually gone to the extreme of paving stones versus a wooden paddy but i

[1:27:36] Voice 11: think we limit it in height and if we limit it in construction materials there has to be i think

[1:27:43] Voice 11: dave you figure that out there has to be a way to um to let a certain amount of water or light

[1:27:49] Voice 11: go through that and

[1:27:50] Trustee Maude: seriously speaking when somebody does go with that they do have the gaps

[1:27:58] Voice 11: so the question is do you want to extend what you've got the courage

[1:28:02] Voice 11: or do you want to create another definition for what you're going to want to allow oh i see here

[1:28:07] Voice 11: you're going to have to create a new um

[1:28:10] Trustee Maude: because we'd assume 45

[1:28:12] Voice 11: is pretty high right now what you

[1:28:14] Voice 11: have is 45 70 is way too high that's

[1:28:17] Trustee Maude: 18 inches so that's

[1:28:18] Voice 11: that's a pretty good

[1:28:19] Trustee Maude: because that i

[1:28:21] Trustee Maude: think i think 18 was picked because that's the the for the building code that's what you need

[1:28:26] Trustee Maude: for a railing is that correct i

[1:28:28] Voice 11: think

[1:28:29] Trustee Maude: that's how you how we arrived i think we started at 12.

[1:28:33] Trustee Maude: i think we ended up 45 well college i think we ended up 45 centimeters

[1:28:37] Trustee Maude: because that was the building code for railings

[1:28:42] Voice 11: you can come back and you can do some

[1:28:45] Voice 11: work on that one i think there's a way to to make it work yes

[1:28:49] Voice 11: okay so then did i just hear you say that you would like to move forward allowing

[1:28:58] Voice 11: Yes. Okay. It's important in structure. And I am going to add the list also.

[1:29:07] Voice 11: What's your, what's your project, education and conversation.

[1:29:13] Voice 11: Okay. Would you like to add that? Is it currently on here? I think you may have already done that.

[1:29:20] Trustee Maude: yeah he's

[1:29:21] Voice 11: talked about doing it yeah

[1:29:23] Trustee Maude: so and i think the thing is is when we talk about it with

[1:29:26] Trustee Maude: death like when you when you're trying to do the definition we're talking about a traditional like

[1:29:30] Trustee Maude: two by six lumber like flat like not a dirt that like apply with that with not

[1:29:38] Voice 11: a seal totally no

[1:29:39] Voice 11: no so

[1:29:40] Trustee Maude: it's it's a more so when so i should say with the definition something a little bit more

[1:29:45] Trustee Maude: more prescriptive. Saying it's like dimensional lumber with

[1:29:51] Voice 11: a gap between boards.

[1:29:54] Voice 11: It's like the woodshed.

[1:29:56] Voice 11: And so that would be a specific...

[1:30:00] Voice 3: think that you're allowing

[1:30:02] Voice 11: this so the other definition for maintaining all right and finally

[1:30:14] Voice 11: we have expanding permission for contractor yards um so um this is where um you know

[1:30:27] Voice 11: this issue because it is a very local issue if stuff doesn't happen it sort of has a different

[1:30:33] Voice 11: to local knowledge, and the APC has thrown it up to you to decide what you would like to happen.

[1:30:44] Voice 11: So

[1:30:44] Trustee Maude: my vision was to make your job easy.

[1:30:49] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:30:52] Trustee Maude: It's all about the patterns, always remember that. And it was at least simply

[1:30:56] Trustee Maude: simply just take that contract which is our definition and saying in a broad brush saying

[1:31:02] Trustee Maude: that it applies to all properties over say five acres in size so larger properties but but also

[1:31:09] Trustee Maude: in another way we need to what we're not we've not talked about it's like the plumber with a

[1:31:15] Trustee Maude: yeah

[1:31:16] Voice 11: more than one thing yeah

[1:31:18] Trustee Maude: so so so we need to to me i think the big stuff i think is easy

[1:31:23] Trustee Maude: do the broad brush because most of our our big contractors are on large properties and i don't

[1:31:30] Trustee Maude: think there's any community concerns with that we'll hear about the public hearing process but

[1:31:35] Trustee Maude: the other people who are captured here are the electricians the plumbers and all that

[1:31:40] Trustee Maude: who are contractors with a van and underneath our definition of a contractor they're running

[1:31:46] Trustee Maude: a contractor so i think that's where we need to put some

[1:31:50] Voice 3: thought into it and i don't know

[1:32:05] Voice 11: The problem you're going to have with contractor shares is people that are on small

[1:32:11] Voice 11: settlement residential lots who might be a plumber and they will have a trailer, they will have

[1:32:17] Voice 11: two vans, they will have a pickup truck, and they will have a lot of piping and stuff. So you have

[1:32:24] Voice 11: within an enclosed area which is referred to somewhere so in other words if you've got a

[1:32:30] Voice 11: whole lot of pipes and bits and pieces they should be within an enclosed structure and that if you

[1:32:36] Voice 11: the number of vehicles of course be licensed but the number of vehicles used in the business

[1:32:43] Voice 11: should be a certain number because you're also getting little mini excavators so you're actually

[1:32:48] Voice 11: getting quite small lots that are looking very industrial so it is a growing issue everybody

[1:32:53] Voice 11: Everybody has an excavator, trailer, two trailers, mostly parked out on the road, which then we sort of don't know how much control we have over that.

[1:33:04] Voice 11: So there's probably something to have a look in my thought screen.

[1:33:08] Voice 11: Someone must have. We're just trying to jump in before we start getting so far.

[1:33:12] Voice 11: We're not getting the complaints, but I think they're going to come.

[1:33:18] Voice 11: You want the plumber to be able to park their truck?

[1:33:21] Voice 11: Yeah, they're work trucks, but you don't want the excavating rental company on the one hectare lot to have all of their equipment.

[1:33:34] Voice 11: So yeah, we have to have a cap on

[1:33:35] Voice 10: the size

[1:33:37] Voice 11: of property.

[1:33:39] Trustee Maude: Well, I think

[1:33:39] Trustee Maude: what makes it a little bit easier if we talk about licensed and unlicensed vehicles, because like a lot of the excavators, they're not licensed.

[1:33:47] Voice 11: So

[1:33:47] Trustee Maude: I guess a large contractor with large vehicles, so we might be able to maybe describe vehicle

[1:33:54] Trustee Maude: weight and license.

[1:33:57] Trustee Maude: So a large vehicle with unlicensed equipment needs to have a large lot.

[1:34:02] Trustee Maude: A small vehicle, like one ton or less or something, would be permitted licensed vehicles on the

[1:34:12] Trustee Maude: lot.

[1:34:12] Trustee Maude: lot but maybe we have to sort of maybe look to our urban cousins big places like sanich and all that

[1:34:19] Trustee Maude: they must have some sort of definition what you can do in your driveway so maybe there's something

[1:34:25] Trustee Maude: there that because i think this is unique to ireland's trust that we haven't really talked

[1:34:30] Trustee Maude: about it that much and it is a growing issue like particularly with the bigger one

[1:34:36] Trustee Maude: is that there's there tends to be more and more of these independent

[1:34:41] Trustee Maude: pieces of equipment and some of them are showing up on small lines

[1:34:45] Trustee Maude: um and that's why i sort of i when i'm thinking about the existing contract which we have on

[1:34:49] Trustee Maude: so it's not they're all bigger lots right so i think i think it kind of gets captured pretty

[1:34:56] Trustee Maude: easily within that um and it but it says to the new guy coming along you know park this up in

[1:35:03] Trustee Maude: your front yard it's not going to work right so

[1:35:06] Voice 11: yeah

[1:35:08] Trustee Maude: i can if you want me to help i can see if

[1:35:10] Trustee Maude: can find some other stuff that works or if you want to go

[1:35:13] Trustee Maude: on your own and

[1:35:14] Voice 11: i think i think lot

[1:35:15] Voice 11: size is important so i think that we're really gearing it more for lots underneath where they

[1:35:21] Voice 11: become much more visual once it's going to be true so it's okay i'm very sure

[1:35:25] Voice 11: arbitrary i mean 180

[1:35:31] Voice 3: so do you want to catch

[1:35:34] Trustee Maude: your song within that yeah

[1:35:36] Voice 11: because

[1:35:37] Trustee Maude: there are a lot of songs

[1:35:38] Voice 11: i know everybody's got a song yeah this one

[1:35:42] Voice 11: we're basically looking at uh

[1:35:44] Voice 11: like just like some like you know some further results

[1:35:49] Voice 5: does salt spring island have any um

[1:35:51] Voice 5: good definitions i know they've they've got sort of gotten into trouble for limiting

[1:35:56] Voice 5: sawmills but um

[1:35:59] Voice 5: i think that would be sort of a bigger ltc to look at yeah

[1:36:04] Trustee Maude: but

[1:36:04] Voice 5: i like sanit i like the idea of doing some more research and coming back with some options

[1:36:08] Voice 5: for the apc to to look at again yeah i

[1:36:12] Voice 5: think you're right i think this is a an emerging issue

[1:36:16] Voice 5: as some people like to say yes

[1:36:19] Trustee Maude: i don't i don't think that that term is is banned yet so we can

[1:36:23] Trustee Maude: use it excellent

[1:36:27] Voice 5: yeah let's see what other rural um communities are doing to address this because

[1:36:36] Trustee Maude: the only thing that i didn't see on the list and i don't know if it just got missed or what

[1:36:41] Trustee Maude: is we've talked about um limiting the size of utility

[1:36:46] Voice 11: buildings in the resource conservation

[1:36:49] Voice 11: zone um i don't yes that's what i'm realizing

[1:36:55] Trustee Maude: so maybe what we didn't want to visit that okay

[1:36:58] Voice 11: because

[1:36:59] Trustee Maude: because right now it's like it's based on a lot of sites so if you have 100 acres you're

[1:37:04] Trustee Maude: allowed to have some lot coverage that's walmart oh so you mean the resource conservation but it's

[1:37:09] Voice 10: going to be a site specific well

[1:37:11] Trustee Maude: no matter what i think that they probably but you're right it's

[1:37:14] Voice 11: just a lot of coverage you

[1:37:17] Trustee Maude: see the percentage

[1:37:17] Voice 11: is not a good way that's right to do it so you have

[1:37:22] Voice 11: a motion yes so what i would um recommend is that you just be with you see that um

[1:37:29] Voice 11: yeah pretty much does it for the direction from the ltc uh because what you provided me with here

[1:37:35] Voice 11: here and then um and then i would just so i would just add what we can do is we can add the the

[1:37:43] Voice 11: the issues that we're giving for the for the direction so

[1:37:48] Trustee Maude: i will move that the main

[1:37:50] Trustee Maude: island local trust committee requests staff to prepare draft amendments to file number

[1:37:54] 187 cited as mainline line news file number 146 2008 amendment number 3 2021 in accordance with

[1:38:02] the staff report dated november

[1:38:04] Trustee Maude: 27 2023 and any further direction from the ltc provided after

[1:38:09] Trustee Maude: november 27 23 lpc meeting

[1:38:11] Voice 11: seconded should agree that the staff report's been amended

[1:38:19] Voice 11: uh no it hasn't been so it's in accordance and then for the the further direction has been given

[1:38:24] Voice 11: oh okay so i've made notes on that for the job because

[1:38:27] Voice 11: this is the things that you want just

[1:38:29] Voice 11: clarity i'm thinking about looking into or figure out how

[1:38:33] Voice 5: we're going to be okay

[1:38:33] Voice 11: do we

[1:38:37] Voice 5: have a seconder yep yes seconded by trustee dodds any further discussion it's clear planner's

[1:38:44] Voice 5: happy because that was the main objective of this entire project yes

[1:38:47] Trustee Maude: she's still

[1:38:48] Trustee Maude: smiling so yes

[1:38:50] Voice 5: all those in favor and that is carried thank you really learned a lot

[1:38:59] Voice 5: lot about this. Gabriela might have to wrestle with these issues in 20 years or tomorrow.

[1:39:07] Trustee Maude: Well, you know, maybe these are emerging issues you haven't heard about yet.

[1:39:12] Voice 5: No, it's definitely all learning. So I will note that there is going to be a vacancy on the APC.

[1:39:20] Voice 5: um do we need to just from the meeting minutes of the apc uh do we need to fill that body out or

[1:39:32] Voice 5: keep it full of people

[1:39:36] Voice 11: so

[1:39:38] Trustee Maude: in very well let's resign yes

[1:39:41] Voice 11: oh yes so

[1:39:42] Trustee Maude: um do we want to advertise

[1:39:45] Trustee Maude: for that or do you want to pause

[1:39:46] Voice 11: no i think we'll just pause for the moment was unfortunate we were

[1:39:50] Voice 11: back and we had timing was same time as the place a certain number of people didn't come couldn't

[1:39:54] Voice 11: come but i think because we've got eight

[1:39:57] Voice 11: people we had we just added them who didn't make the

[1:40:01] Voice 11: meeting and that was right i wanted to do that so okay great

[1:40:06] Trustee Maude: and you see with all this we scared

[1:40:09] Trustee Maude: scared for bruce away so that's sad oh

[1:40:11] Voice 5: bruce excellent um okay do we have anything before

[1:40:20] Voice 5: just overview of well yeah projects let's

[1:40:26] Voice 11: have for sure

[1:40:26] Voice 5: for sure

[1:40:28] Voice 3: yes yes good good

[1:40:39] Voice 11: sure i

[1:40:40] Voice 11: mean the future projects yeah a little bit but so um i've

[1:40:45] Voice 11: I'm I'm I'm suggesting maybe you want to change it sir um the groundwater implementation I think

[1:40:52] Voice 11: that'll happen a little bit with the housing project which should be pumping up the housing

[1:40:57] Voice 11: okay up and then the LTC would do it that's part of the housing okay so then we can bump up

[1:41:04] Voice 11: foreshore to after um housing and then groundwater after foreshore because like I said I think some

[1:41:11] Voice 11: of the groundwater will be addressed with the housing is that so we would have housing number

[1:41:17] Voice 11: one fourth or two and groundwater so a question about the campbell bay rezoning should we be

[1:41:27] Voice 11: tying that in with the music festival or is that because it's totally different yeah

[1:41:31] Trustee Maude: i know i don't

[1:41:32] Trustee Maude: think

[1:41:32] Voice 11: it's not okay yeah

[1:41:34] Trustee Maude: oh but that's it that wasn't on our last one oh it wasn't we skipped

[1:41:37] Trustee Maude: over yes been on there and i

[1:41:39] Voice 11: think i think the discussion before was to look at all of everything

[1:41:43] Voice 11: within the context of that of the housing project okay

[1:41:45] Trustee Maude: okay that was

[1:41:46] Voice 11: with me my next question yeah

[1:41:48] Voice 3: so it

[1:41:48] Voice 11: gets long too okay

[1:41:49] Voice 3: yeah

[1:41:50] Voice 11: great um

[1:42:08] Voice 4: okay so applications report is that yep all looks good

[1:42:15] Voice 4: Anything to speak to with that, Marisa?

[1:42:18] Voice 11: Location report?

[1:42:20] Voice 11: No, I think things are moving right along.

[1:42:24] Voice 11: There's nothing.

[1:42:25] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:42:28] Voice 11: And

[1:42:28] Voice 5: we've got our trustee local expense report.

[1:42:31] Voice 5: I will note that as the budgets for all the LTCs are over budget,

[1:42:41] Voice 5: and we've been informed by staff that that's mainly because the meeting

[1:42:47] Voice 5: facilitator position which was adopted or approved by trust council last march hasn't been filled yet

[1:42:53] Voice 5: and so there's been added costs for many ltcs just uh against what was originally budgeted

[1:43:03] Voice 5: start of the year so you guys are fine adopted policies and standing resolutions local trust

[1:43:10] Voice 5: committee webpage chairs report i will give a brief report if uh if it is your pleasure

[1:43:18] Voice 5: um we just had our an in-person executive committee meeting on november 22nd

[1:43:26] Voice 5: bulk of that was preparation for trust council which is coming up

[1:43:30] Voice 5: December 4th no 5th 6th and 7th in person in Victoria and the cost of living has gone up as

[1:43:43] Voice 5: they are everywhere and so it's going to be a bit of a wrestling match to uh to work this budget

[1:43:50] Voice 5: into an achievable place for our constituents by March and we have done there's going to be

[1:44:01] Voice 5: some continuation of the visioning exercise that was started at um september's trust council meeting

[1:44:06] Voice 5: there's some options if people want to look at the bud or the agenda which has just come out today

[1:44:12] Voice 5: and really it's it's wrestling with this question of how do we as we relate with nations in the

[1:44:20] Voice 5: trust area um in terms of creating a vision for everybody who lives and has relationships here

[1:44:30] Voice 5: we still want to have a vision for for us to move forward and and yet we don't want to exclude

[1:44:36] Voice 5: anyone so having that conversation with a balance to consider the different perspectives in the

[1:44:44] Voice 5: trust areas is going to be a bit of a delicate thing and also of significance some really good

[1:44:53] Voice 5: work by the regional planning committee in the form of the housing toolkit which has been a big

[1:44:59] Voice 5: big piece of work and hugely anticipated thank you to Nerissa to Jason Yeomans

[1:45:04] Voice 5: and Robert Kojima and other season planners who've put a lot of thought and

[1:45:10] Voice 5: effort into this and so the hopefully Trust Council will endorse that it's

[1:45:17] Voice 5: currently in draft but it's been adopted and and supported by the Regional

[1:45:21] Voice 5: Planning Committee and this is going to give a lot of support and tools to LTCs

[1:45:28] Voice 5: to start to create housing strategies for our communities so that's a really good piece of work

[1:45:35] Voice 5: and I think that's it for my report I don't have much else that trust committees are

[1:45:45] Voice 5: would relate to Gabriel or to Maine trustees tell me what's happening in your corner of the world

[1:45:53] Voice 5: there

[1:45:55] Voice 11: oh

[1:45:56] Voice 3: I get to go first you

[1:45:58] Voice 11: went to all the events I had to go to work

[1:46:00] Trustee Maude: yes it all happened

[1:46:02] Voice 10: on my working days yes

[1:46:04] Trustee Maude: people that's what happened so november 9th um um here um we had a wonderful

[1:46:10] Trustee Maude: community face piece um it was um an event basically to do a couple of things so one was

[1:46:19] Trustee Maude: unveiling um three beautiful panels um that were painted by sake mars artist sarah jim um which

[1:46:27] Trustee Maude: which also featured her two very, very proud parents

[1:46:31] Trustee Maude: who were winning to no end.

[1:46:35] Trustee Maude: They were just pleased and tickled as punches

[1:46:38] Trustee Maude: how beautiful her work was.

[1:46:41] Trustee Maude: And then

[1:46:41] Trustee Maude: also the official opening

[1:46:43] Trustee Maude: of the Ethno Botany Garden next to Thrift Store,

[1:46:47] Trustee Maude: which ironically a couple of days later

[1:46:49] Trustee Maude: got red tagged by CRD.

[1:46:51] Trustee Maude: So we do have our fun on May 9th,

[1:46:55] Trustee Maude: But no, it was an absolute stunning event.

[1:46:58] Trustee Maude: I was so honoured to be invited to it.

[1:47:03] Trustee Maude: The singers and dancers that were brought over from LCH were just outstanding.

[1:47:11] Trustee Maude: It was just, it was an outstanding event.

[1:47:14] Trustee Maude: And it was something that I think we all should be very proud of.

[1:47:17] Trustee Maude: And just, it's great to see all our communities working together.

[1:47:22] Trustee Maude: The other thing I attended, as we've mentioned earlier, was the public meeting for the Oceanwood

[1:47:29] Trustee Maude: project, which I thought was very well handled by the proponents.

[1:47:34] Trustee Maude: It was a full hall of people asking sometimes difficult questions and receiving reasonable

[1:47:41] Trustee Maude: answers.

[1:47:43] Trustee Maude: It seems the road forward with them with the community consultation process will be a series

[1:47:48] Trustee Maude: of surveys um speaking about amenities and such that might be provided to the community

[1:47:53] Trustee Maude: um i i thought that um the proponents really embraced uh the thoughts of local trust committee

[1:48:01] Trustee Maude: um in consulting the community and and getting out there um look forward to seeing what they

[1:48:08] Trustee Maude: bring forward um other than that it's just it's been a lot of running around on local

[1:48:15] Trustee Maude: executive committee issues

[1:48:16] Trustee Maude: for Islands Trust, which has been

[1:48:19] Trustee Maude: really quite interesting.

[1:48:21] Trustee Maude: I think Toby will agree

[1:48:23] Trustee Maude: is that we tend to have

[1:48:25] Trustee Maude: interesting meetings that cover

[1:48:27] Trustee Maude: a broad variety of topics.

[1:48:29] Trustee Maude: And I think we're having

[1:48:31] Voice 3: an enjoyable time. I'll leave it at that.

[1:48:41] Voice 3: I had to go to work.

[1:48:45] Voice 5: Janine's been working.

[1:48:47] Voice 10: Unfortunately, the events.

[1:48:49] Voice 10: And so I haven't, other than going to be

[1:48:51] Voice 10: the APC meeting of just

[1:48:53] Voice 11: an observation that that we last met in September and since the end of

[1:48:57] Voice 11: September the island is very quiet this winter it's it's interesting to see the big change

[1:49:04] Voice 11: between from the time when COVID first happened in March of 2020 definitely slowing down we've

[1:49:10] Voice 11: seen at this point you know some of our our restaurants the spring water of course has

[1:49:15] Voice 11: closed and lots of stuff is up in the air we don't know what's going to happen with the spring water

[1:49:20] Voice 11: and the Montrose unfortunately is still still temporarily closed but it's definitely a quiet

[1:49:27] Voice 11: time on the island kind of peaceful and still quite a bit of

[1:49:32] Voice 10: construction going on the trail

[1:49:34] Voice 10: I hate to bring it up but it looks like it's almost like the main part of the trail the

[1:49:40] Voice 10: Miners Bay to Village Bay trails almost finished talked to a fellow a couple days ago who rode a

[1:49:45] Voice 10: bike

[1:49:45] Voice 11: on the trail um i have no idea when they're going to complete the part on village bay hills

[1:49:51] Voice 11: to the ferry or what the status of the negotiations are that's where the trail runs from maple drive

[1:49:58] Voice 11: down to to the other road but that was the intention that would go further but it would

[1:50:03] Voice 11: just be really nice to see the major part finally finished i had a personal meeting with with a

[1:50:09] Voice 11: property owner on village bay road yesterday and she was informing me that because of the cost

[1:50:15] Voice 11: there now will be a chain-link fence where the cement blocks are going the cement blocks where

[1:50:21] Voice 11: there's a substantial drop-off um so in terms of aesthetics uh probably there'll be a lot of

[1:50:27] Voice 11: comments about that so that's just a little bits and pieces of me going on on the island

[1:50:34] Voice 11: that's all i can think of thank

[1:50:37] Voice 5: you trustees um conservancy or we don't have an electoral

[1:50:42] Voice 5: area director's report i know uh director brent's been pretty active on the housing front

[1:50:49] Voice 5: um on this just conservancy report we've had a number of meetings and i know there hasn't

[1:50:55] Voice 5: been reporting on our agendas i think it is due our our uh the conservancy manager kate emmings

[1:51:03] Voice 5: is is off on leave and i think as of october was the last board meeting that she attended and and

[1:51:11] Voice 5: so we're just incredibly short-staffed and um not it's probably why reports aren't being produced

[1:51:18] Voice 5: for the agendas um i would encourage everyone to who is interested in the conservancy work to go to

[1:51:26] Voice 5: when was our last meeting um 21st november 21st meeting has a or indeed the agenda for trust

[1:51:35] Voice 5: council has the quarterly reports from the conservancy and they they give quite a good

[1:51:40] Voice 5: bird's eye view of of what's been happening in different areas and i will also say that there's

[1:51:48] Voice 5: been some quiet work in the background that's significant uh the introduction of the city view

[1:51:54] Voice 5: software which does scope in the conservancy and so that's the new software that um i think it's

[1:52:02] Voice 5: gonna narissa do you know when it's going to be live i know staff is testing it out and and working

[1:52:06] Voice 5: with the developers i think sometime in march april spring or something the city view application

[1:52:15] Voice 11: i'm not sure i'm

[1:52:17] Voice 5: not sure but

[1:52:17] Voice 11: yeah there is active work happening um it's

[1:52:21] Voice 5: a lot of work

[1:52:21] Voice 5: Yeah. And we'll need integration. Chair Smith may be able to speak to Trust Council on the Tuesday night, but she won't make a presentation as we talked about. We'll look at doing that in March. And I think that's about it from the Conservancy. I could share.

[1:52:48] Voice 5: Oh yeah, the ITC plan. So we're still working on an old five-year plan. This is what is required

[1:53:00] Voice 5: to be approved by the minister. And so in consideration of the, there's a large amount

[1:53:07] Voice 5: of work we still need to do in engaging and getting feedback from First Nations. So we'd

[1:53:13] Voice 5: submitted an interim three-year plan at the end of December 2022 but it remains to be presented

[1:53:20] Voice 5: so we're sort of still operating under the old five-year plan which is a bit challenging

[1:53:27] Voice 5: and we're expecting to yeah I don't know if I need to report on that we need property management

[1:53:33] Voice 5: staff basically we this has been the story that I keep hearing for the last year

[1:53:38] Voice 5: um lots of people want to donate properties or put conservation covenants on their lands

[1:53:44] Voice 5: and there just simply is not enough staff to either manage either at the intake side or to

[1:53:52] Voice 5: manage those properties so if you look at your trust or um the last conservancy agenda it sort

[1:53:59] Voice 5: of reports out on the different status of the 33 different properties and if we don't have staff

[1:54:07] Voice 5: to manage it we simply can't take them in so that's kind of where we're at and uh hopefully

[1:54:12] Voice 5: that business case will be approved at trust council because we need it for the conservancy

[1:54:17] Voice 5: work that's about it for um there we are and now we come to warren if you are available we have a

[1:54:30] Voice 5: great report on bylaw enforcement notice policy options page 141

[1:54:38] Voice 5: thank you for this assuming that you want

[1:54:42] Voice 5: to to speak to this i

[1:54:46] Voice 7: can uh give the overview

[1:54:48] Voice 7: make some brief comments chair um

[1:54:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): i believe the report speaks for itself uh it's a staff report

[1:54:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): regarding bylaw enforcement options specifically options as to when we want to proceed with bylaw

[1:55:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): enforcement notices and the recommendation is well the report summary is recommendations that

[1:55:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): that the manager prepare by annual report

[1:55:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): for local trust me so that they may consider

[1:55:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): which types of files should be prioritized

[1:55:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): to proceed to enforcement,

[1:55:16] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): such as the issuance of a bylaw violation notice

[1:55:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): or a legal action.

[1:55:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): And that is basically word for the recommendation

[1:55:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): that is before you.

[1:55:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): I've outlined in the report,

[1:55:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): really the current uses that are happening,

[1:55:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): the concerns about that use,

[1:55:33] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): how the ombudsperson reviews bylaw enforcement,

[1:55:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): enforcement especially in the role of a council or in this case a trust committee in the enforcement

[1:55:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): process and what we've uh in the end would not recommend is removing or drastically limiting the

[1:55:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): use of the bend system um you would decrease your options and increase the amount of time involved

[1:55:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): in addressing individual bylaw matters on the agenda of the local trust committee and possibly

[1:56:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): increase the number of violations that languish unresolved and increase legal costs so the

[1:56:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): The enforcement options are one through five.

[1:56:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): One really is captured in the recommendations in the report summary so that, you know,

[1:56:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): the LTC can review file enforcement files after investigation is completed,

[1:56:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and then they can weigh in and make decisions on whether or not these matters are of concern to the LTC,

[1:56:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): whether or not it's in the interest of the LTC or the community to proceed with them.

[1:56:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): The other options you have are the status quo, increasing the role of the RPM to work with the manager on whether or not to proceed with the issuance of violation notices after we've gone through the rest of the violent enforcement process, or the LTC adopting policies to give guidance to the manager and the bylaw officers, or rescind the current bylaw and go back to just straight legal action.

[1:57:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and i think in the end there'll be certain lpcs such as maine that you know really probably want

[1:57:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): to prioritize look at the files and prioritize what work should be done denman's been presented

[1:57:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): with the same options they've decided to proceed with yes a regular report after investigations

[1:57:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): are completing and then make a decision on whether or not they want to proceed with

[1:57:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): with some type of enforcement or a violation notice

[1:57:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): being issued.

[1:57:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): And it's just, as I will tell everyone,

[1:57:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): we don't, by law enforcement in the end doesn't,

[1:57:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): we don't operate in a vacuum.

[1:57:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): We're constantly talking with planners, RPMs,

[1:57:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and our legal counsel about how to proceed,

[1:57:56] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): what's lawful, what isn't.

[1:57:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): So, and this would just bring more involvement

[1:58:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): from local, through this local trust committee

[1:58:02] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and the decisions that would be made,

[1:58:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): but whether or not to proceed instead of doing what we have really done in the past

[1:58:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): as a reference in the report as an ad hoc basis one-on-one files this way set up a regular

[1:58:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): reporting structure and then you know if the LTC has concerns and they don't want to proceed with

[1:58:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): enforcement they can just close the file and that will be dealt with unless there's a new complaint

[1:58:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): complaint then then we can deal with that when a new course if there's a new file and it has to

[1:58:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): come before the ltc again so

[1:58:39] Voice 4: has this been tried um before

[1:58:42] Voice 5: at any ltc no

[1:58:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): not on a not covering

[1:58:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): everything as i said it's been other ltcs have done this on a case-by-case basis and then we're

[1:58:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): concerned about this file so let's have a staff report and then they'll make a decision on whether

[1:59:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): or not they want to close it or proceed with enforcement through a violation notice a bylaw

[1:59:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): notice or take it to court so that's the reference to ad hoc so many ltcs have done it on the ad hoc

[1:59:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): basis this is just a proposal to do it provide it with more structure twice a year provide the

[1:59:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): report to the ltc and then they can decide whether or not they want it's within the interests of the

[1:59:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): community or the ltc to proceed with enforcement so

[1:59:33] Voice 4: just before we go to to you david um in my

[1:59:39] Voice 5: my curiosity is around whether this creates the opportunity for community members to essentially

[1:59:49] Voice 5: lobby the ltc um because they know there's going to be a biannual report scheduled

[1:59:55] Voice 5: obviously people who've had a bylaw.

[2:00:00] Voice 5: enforcement notification issued or that conversation started will the local trustees um

[2:00:06] Voice 5: potentially be sort of put in the middle as as it comes close to the time of considering this report

[2:00:13] Voice 5: let's

[2:00:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): say chair it already happens yeah almost

[2:00:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): all lpc once in four minutes

[2:00:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): i

[2:00:20] Voice 5: don't get that

[2:00:21] Voice 5: nobody asks me also okay so maybe

[2:00:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): not on all islands but on many islands okay the trustees

[2:00:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): The trustees get lobbied. If there's someone really concerned about enforcement, their enforcement file, they will go to their trustees and make their concerns know. And then that leads to the ad hoc, let's deal with this just on one at a time type deal, right? It doesn't happen with all of them, but there are lots of people who will try to lobby their trustee anyway, because they don't believe they should be enforced on for one reason or another.

[2:00:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): other uh so this just provides more structure to it uh and the ltc will need to decide whether

[2:01:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): they want to do this in camera or in an open meeting it can be done in an open meeting really

[2:01:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): because for the most part we're not going to be discussing legal advice it's just whether or not

[2:01:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): you want to proceed on it but i i'm assuming now that most of this will happen in camera

[2:01:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): so there won't be a public notice that certain reports are going to go before the ltc it'll just

[2:01:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): be once the investigation is completed you know and the time is the dates due to submit a report

[2:01:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): then it will be submitted but either way people are going to lobby trustees when it comes to their

[2:01:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): concerns about enforcement okay

[2:01:40] Voice 5: that's all my questions uh david did you yeah

[2:01:44] Trustee Maude: no i i will

[2:01:45] Trustee Maude: certainly endorse that is you know perhaps because trustee dodds and i are easy to stop because

[2:01:51] Trustee Maude: everybody knows our travel patterns you know i would suggest almost every file enforcement file

[2:01:58] Trustee Maude: um that is open we hear about it maybe before mr england does since uh we have a vocal community um

[2:02:05] Trustee Maude: i'd certainly i just i as i said at denman island i really thank you for this staff report um it's

[2:02:14] Trustee Maude: it's nice to have these things laid out really black and white especially for new trustees

[2:02:18] Trustee Maude: and you know i would very much encourage you you're doing this with every ltc um so because

[2:02:25] Trustee Maude: it it really does well lay out in simple layman's terms um the bylaw enforcement process where you

[2:02:33] Trustee Maude: know oftentimes the trust council that we um trustees get a little bit maybe more detailed

[2:02:40] Trustee Maude: and legal stuff and the simple wording gets lost and i just i think it's an excellent thing um and

[2:02:46] Trustee Maude: and just to finally say my comfort is um with um enforcement options one i i really like that

[2:02:52] Trustee Maude: uh particularly the um as i previously mentioned when we're talking about um the the mooring boys

[2:02:59] Trustee Maude: in the water zones right now is um we've kind of opened up a can of worms there and and i think

[2:03:06] Trustee Maude: that the ltc can help a lot um with enforcement options until we actually get some proper bylaws

[2:03:12] Trustee Maude: and procedures in place because I think they're going to be difficult at times because it's a big,

[2:03:18] Trustee Maude: big, big can of worms. So,

[2:03:21] Trustee Maude: Trustee Donahue. No,

[2:03:22] Voice 11: I'm delighted with the report. As you know,

[2:03:25] Voice 11: we more recently, we have more bylaw issues are either more heavily developed in a different

[2:03:35] Voice 11: group of people living here now, but we've also always had the opportunity to change the decision

[2:03:42] Voice 11: of the bylaw officer in terms of the enforcement levels

[2:03:46] Voice 11: because of our personal knowledge of what's going on.

[2:03:49] Voice 11: We also have files that we're quite adamant about continuing

[2:03:52] Voice 11: to enforce against and discovering also that that isn't simple.

[2:03:56] Voice 11: So bylaw enforcement has, in the eye of the public,

[2:04:02] Voice 11: may be seen as being onerous, but there's also a public

[2:04:05] Voice 11: who sees it as sometimes not actually being effective at all.

[2:04:09] Voice 11: but this at least gives us more opportunity to be directly involved in some of the cases so we're

[2:04:15] Voice 11: very happy to see this motion application and i'll leave it to dave so

[2:04:20] Trustee Maude: at the bottom of page 142

[2:04:23] Trustee Maude: there's a option on one and i will move that page

[2:04:27] Voice 11: 141 no no no

[2:04:29] Voice 11: no

[2:04:31] Voice 5: the recommendation is different

[2:04:34] Voice 5: than the five other options i think yeah

[2:04:36] Trustee Maude: so for one so what i want what i'm wanting to move is

[2:04:39] Trustee Maude: the option oh okay so

[2:04:41] Trustee Maude: what i'm planning to move is local trust committee request regular reporting

[2:04:43] Trustee Maude: from bylaw enforcement compliance bylaw compliance enforcement managers so the ltc can review and

[2:04:49] Trustee Maude: prioritize enforcement um and enforcement resource resources so

[2:04:56] Voice 5: you don't want the biannual report

[2:04:58] Voice 5: No,

[2:04:59] Trustee Maude: we want option one.

[2:05:01] Voice 5: Okay, I'll second that.

[2:05:03] Voice 5: Okay, we're going ad hoc.

[2:05:06] Voice 5: Any further discussion?

[2:05:07] Voice 5: I mean, I personally would have preferred option one, but just to save on.

[2:05:14] Voice 5: I think it's helpful to see everything actually together, but time will tell.

[2:05:19] Voice 5: And I think, Warren, if you can let us know if this is too onerous or taking too much time to produce sort of ad hoc reports.

[2:05:26] Voice 5: No, Chair, you won't.

[2:05:28] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Essentially, the option one is the same as the recommendation. It's just worded differently.

[2:05:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Oh,

[2:05:34] Voice 3: thank you.

[2:05:35] Voice 3: This

[2:05:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): may not be a semi-annual report. Once we have a group of completed files, investigations are completed, then we'll present that to the LTC, and then they can...

[2:05:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Okay.

[2:05:49] Voice 4: I apologize,

[2:05:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): I misread it.

[2:05:51] Voice 4: So

[2:05:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): it's not, again, and it's not specific to whether or not the issue of BVN, it's just they'll consider all options as what resources or whether or not they want to proceed with any type of enforcement.

[2:06:02] Voice 4: Great.

[2:06:03] Voice 5: Okay. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. And that is carried.

[2:06:10] Voice 5: Thank

[2:06:11] Voice 7: you very much.

[2:06:12] Voice 5: You're

[2:06:12] Voice 7: welcome.

[2:06:14] Voice 7: You

[2:06:14] Voice 5: can hear the pleasure in David Mott's voice. It's a very good piece of work.

[2:06:18] Voice 5: I'm always happy.

[2:06:20] Voice 5: Aww.

[2:06:21] Voice 5: Aww.

[2:06:22] Voice 5: good stuff thanks again warren you're welcome

[2:06:25] Voice 5: all right so we just have the meeting schedule

[2:06:28] Voice 5: to set for the next year 2024 regular meetings um we need a motion for that one we do i we can

[2:06:38] Voice 5: also set these as electronic or in person and i would like to suggest could we set maybe the

[2:06:47] Voice 5: first two is electronic or maybe the first one you know having done

[2:06:50] Voice 10: this in particular meeting

[2:06:52] Voice 10: with you being remote and thinking how much travel we've saved i'm quite happy to make a motion that

[2:06:58] Voice 10: we uh that we adopt the 2024 regular meetings with the meeting of january

[2:07:03] Voice 11: 29th and the meeting

[2:07:04] Voice 11: of february 26th to also be electronic that's

[2:07:09] Voice 5: just what i was thinking no

[2:07:11] Voice 11: it's very practical

[2:07:15] Voice 5: nobody nobody needs to travel in winter and saves meeting costs yeah i think i'm supportive

[2:07:22] Trustee Maude: so we're live here no

[2:07:25] Voice 5: that's not no an electronic is all electronic yeah just fine

[2:07:29] Voice 10: it's realistic it saves everyone traveling at a time of year when things can be treacherous

[2:07:34] Voice 5: Janet Callahan- Good. Okay. I want to second that one.

[2:07:39] Voice 5: Please.

[2:07:41] Voice 10: I do have my set of tires on now, but

[2:07:45] Voice 10: Sometimes I can't get out of my road.

[2:07:48] Voice 10: Janet

[2:07:49] Voice 5: Callahan- All right. All those in

[2:07:50] Voice 5: favor of the meeting dates, January 29 February 26 as electronic meetings and then the following March, May. So we skip April, June, July.

[2:08:04] Voice 5: skip august september october november great in favor that is carried excellent

[2:08:13] Voice 5: have we truly reached the end of this agenda

[2:08:15] Voice 5: oh

[2:08:16] Voice 3: yes

[2:08:17] Voice 10: right

[2:08:19] Voice 5: yes i i

[2:08:20] Voice 10: move that the meeting be close to the public in

[2:08:23] Voice 10: accordance with the community charter part 4 division 3 s 91 a for the purpose of considering

[2:08:30] Voice 10: personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered

[2:08:36] Voice 10: for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the municipality

[2:08:40] Voice 11: or another position appointed

[2:08:43] Voice 11: by the municipality. And that we request that our reporter Pat Todd remain and that our planner

[2:08:50] Voice 11: or Marissa Chadwick remain to the meeting.

[2:08:54] Voice 4: Great.

[2:08:55] Voice 4: Seconded by Trustee, who are you, Maude?

[2:09:00] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[2:09:02] Voice 4: And

[2:09:03] Voice 5: that is carried.

[2:09:04] Voice 5: So if we can turn off the live streaming and recording.

[2:09:09] Voice 5: Okay, we're back on.

[2:09:11] Voice 5: Excellent.

[2:09:12] Voice 5: Excellent. Well, the Maine Island Local Trust Committee is pleased to report that we have appointed Dennis Perch to the Maine Island Board of Variants, commencing immediately for a term ending March 28, 2025.

[2:09:34] Voice 5: And with that, I will call for adjournment of the regular business meeting.

[2:09:41] Trustee Maude: just just for the record we skipped over the the last town hall

[2:09:46] Trustee Maude: i apologize

[2:09:51] Voice 5: for skipping town hall i am so sorry

[2:10:01] Voice 5: i blame janine because she rushed to the the closed meeting

[2:10:07] Voice 11: Oh, sorry.

[2:10:08] Voice 5: Yeah, I did. I did.

[2:10:09] Voice 11: I didn't know it was here.

[2:10:10] Voice 11: All

[2:10:11] Voice 5: good. So we'll see you all at Trust Council, those who can attend. And thank you to the planner

[2:10:16] Voice 5: and to Emily in the back and Pat Todd. As always, pleasure to see you all. I'll see you in a week.

Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
November 27, 2023 ADOPTED Page 1 of 6 
 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
November 27, 2023 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair (electronic) 
 David Maude, Local Trustee 
 Jeanine Dodds, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 Charly Caproff, Planner 1 (electronic) 
 Bruce Belcher, Planner 1 (electronic) 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager 
(electronic) 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were two (2) members of the public present. 
  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:30 pm. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS - None 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
5. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated September 25, 2023  
By general consent the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
September 25, 2023 were adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes Dated November 6, 2023 – received for 
information 
  
A D O P T E D 

 
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7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Nov 2023 
Appreciation was expressed for the Bylaw enforcement Report. It was added that the 
volume of advocacy letters, from Local Trust Committee (LTC) Chairs, is becoming very 
time consuming and would ask that consideration be given prior to requesting such 
correspondence. 
Island Planner Chadwick stated letters had gone out to the First Nations regarding the 
Housing Project. 
8. DELEGATIONS - None 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
10.1 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaws 140 and 141 
MA-2023-052 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaws No. 140 and No. 141. 
CARRIED 
 
10.2 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaw No. 234  
MA-2023-053 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 234. 
CARRIED 
 
10.3 MA-TUP-2023.3 (Haq)  
Planner Belcher reviewed the renewal application. There have been no complaints 
received and no outstanding issues. 
It was noted that on page 36 of application owners need to change Gabriola to Mayne 
Island.   
MA-2023-054 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of renewal 
Temporary Use Permit MA-TUP-2023.3 (HaQ) for a period of three (3) years. 
CARRIED  

 
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10.4 MA-RZ-2023.1 (Blaney)  
Planner Caproff updated actions to date. Staff were contacted November 20 regarding 
the Community Open House scheduled for November 24. The applicant requested 
contact details for First Nations. 
Discussion: 
 There were approximately 50/60 attendees at the community open house 
 A number of options were put forward 
 Contact information was collected by applicants to be used to survey and get 
feedback 
 Positive in nature and appeared to be a lot of interest in project 
 Questioned returning application as there are likely to be revisions 
 Suggested to wait till next meeting to review what is presented by the applicant 
 Applicant planning to contact First Nations:  felt this additional contact may 
become onerous for First Nations 
Planner Caproff will contact applicant to work with LTC first and contact First Nations at 
a later date. 
10.5 MA-RZ-2023.2 (CRD)  
Island Planner Chadwick reviewed the application. The detailed Capital Regional District 
(CRD) Management Plan includes a “hub” to consist of a toilet facility, increased parking 
and bicycle racks. Letters of support have been received and one letter of opposition.   
Kevin Webber, CRD, joined the meeting and discussion. 
Discussion: 
 LTC would be more comfortable when Agricultural Land Commission  
(ALC) clarifies what will be permitted 
 Question of a Regional Park vs. Resource Conservation Zone (RCZ) 
 CRD explained that Trust must address application prior to ALC considering 
 RCZ most appropriate however parking wouldn’t be permitted 
 Use of site-specific zone under RCZ to address parking 
 Parking an ALC decision 
 Reviewed RCZ parameters 
MA-2023-055 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request the application MA-RZ-
2023.2(CRD) be amended to consider a site-specific zone within the Resource 
Conservation Zone. 
CARRIED 
 
  

 
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11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Land Use Bylaw Review 
Island Planner Chadwick reviewed project to date and highlighted the proposed 
amendments. 
Discussion: 
 Shipping containers – view as accessory building for number allowed 
 Permitted livestock – allow poultry 
 Watercraft – no issues/no need to regulate 
 Definition of motor vehicle – APC supported staff recommendation 
 Property rezoning – APC supported 
 Mooring buoys – large project:  IT wide issue 
MA-2023-056 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare draft 
amendments to Bylaw No. 187, cited as “Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 
2008, Amendment No. 3, 2021” in accordance with the staff report dated 
November 27, 2023 and any further direction from the LTC provided at the 
November 27, 2023 LTC meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Work Program Reports 
12.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Nov 2023 – received for information 
12.1.2 Future Project List Report Dated Nov 2023 
   Island Planner Chadwick proposed the list be modified:   
1. Housing 
2. Foreshore Education 
3. Groundwater Implementation 
The LTC supported this proposal. 
12.2 Applications Report Dated Nov 2023 – received for information 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Sept 2023 – received for information 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions – received for information 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - to be updated upon conclusion of the meeting. 
  

 
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12.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Elliott noted Executive Committee is meeting November 22 and Trust Council is 
scheduled for December 5,6, and 7 in Victoria. Cost of living increases will have an 
impact on budget. Visionary Exercise is ongoing and stressed the importance of balance 
and to consider the uniqueness of areas within the Islands Trust. The Regional Planning 
Committee’s Housing Toolkit is an excellent resource and reflects the hard work of 
many. 
12.7 Trustee Report 
Trustee Maude spoke to the official opening on November 9 of the new thrift store and 
garden with the unveiling of three beautiful panels by a First Nations artist, The 
Community Information meeting for the Oceanwood project was well handled and 
there was a full hall.  
Trustee Dodds related how quiet the island is at this time. Trustee Dodds attended the 
recent Advisory Planning Commission meeting. There is still a lot of construction on the 
island and bike trail is coming along with the major portion almost completed. 
12.8 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
12.9 Islands Trust Conservancy Report  
Chair Elliott reported IT Conservancy is currently short staffed. A need for property 
management staff has been identified. The Quarterly Report is included with Trust 
Council agenda package. New software “City View” is almost ready to roll out. Work is 
ongoing under the interim 3 year plan. 
13. NEW BUSINESS 
13.1 Bylaw Enforcement Notice Policy Options  
Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager (BCEM) Dingman reviewed the staff 
report and options presented. 
MA-2023-057 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request the Bylaw Compliance & 
Enforcement Manager to prepare a regular report for the Committee to review 
and prioritize enforcement and enforcement resources. 
CARRIED 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Draft 2024 LTC Meeting Schedule  
MA-2023-058 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee adopt the 2024 LTC regular meeting 
schedule as proposed by staff and that January and February meetings be 
designated as electronic. 
CARRIED 

 
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15. TOWN HALL - none 
16. CLOSED MEETING  
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
MA-2023-059 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(a) for the purpose of considering: 
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is 
being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the 
municipality or another position appointed by the municipality; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
16.2 Recall to Order 
  Chair Elliott recalled the meeting at 3:46 pm. 
16.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Elliott reported that Dennis Perch had been appointed to the Board of Variance for 
a term ending March 28, 2025. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:48 pm. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Pat Todd, Recorder: