Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 2, 2024

[0:00:07] Thank you.

[0:01:56] Voice 9: Good morning. Hello.

[0:02:00] Voice 3: Hi, everybody. I want to call the meeting to order for running a couple minutes late already, but let's get this started.

[0:02:11] Voice 3: I want to call this regular meeting of the Orbea Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:02:17] Voice 3: Please be aware that we're live streaming at this meeting and a recording will be posted on the Island Trust website

[0:02:25] Voice 12: in a few days.

[0:02:27] Voice 3: i want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather here

[0:02:32] Voice 3: on the territory of many coach salish peoples and the komatsu in particular and

[0:02:38] Voice 3: that we're respectful of that um my name is tim peterson i'm elected on mesquite island and i'm

[0:02:46] Voice 3: the chair of the harvey island local trust committee with me are uh trustees alex allen

[0:02:54] Voice 3: and Grant Scott, and I see our regional director Daniel Arbors here today.

[0:03:02] Voice 3: And staff, do you want to introduce yourselves?

[0:03:05] Voice 10: Sure. Yep, I'm Ian Cox. I'm Planner 2 in the Northern Office and have recently been reassigned to the foreign BLTC support.

[0:03:17] Voice 10: Actually, I have one announcement. Somebody with a Honda Odyssey, a grey one with a doggie in the front, has their lights on, whatever that might be.

[0:03:28] Voice 4: and i'm jennifer i think i'm new with islands trust i'm a meeting administrator

[0:03:33] Voice 4: so this is uh my debut meeting so thank you for your patience it's nice to be here

[0:03:38] Voice 4: and

[0:03:39] Voice 10: that's to facilitate the online zoom and hopefully um pretty soon like hybrid style

[0:03:49] Voice 10: meetings that i know care is good yeah thank

[0:03:53] Voice 3: you for that and i also know that we have uh

[0:03:55] Voice 3: catherine boyd our um our minute taker is with us online ably serving serving us here

[0:04:05] Voice 4: um back here okay

[0:04:08] Voice 3: i'll try and speak loud and you

[0:04:10] Voice 3: guys could all scooch up if you want a bit

[0:04:12] Voice 3: yes i think that

[0:04:13] Voice 4: the way it's set up is nice if you can bring the chairs forward

[0:04:25] Voice 4: it's

[0:04:47] Voice 4: okay

[0:04:55] Voice 3: now that everyone's a bit more settled

[0:04:58] Voice 3: a little closer hopefully you can hear a bit better um so i'll just mention this meeting

[0:05:03] Voice 3: is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about line use

[0:05:06] Voice 3: planning matters and discuss relevant business um and also that this is a place of employment

[0:05:13] Voice 3: our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace so i expect everyone to take that into

[0:05:20] Voice 3: to account accordingly um have a meeting decorum paid but we don't need to get into that uh i don't

[0:05:29] Voice 3: think at this point unless uh unless you give me a cause to refer to it um our first item is

[0:05:37] Voice 3: the approval agenda so i'll look to trustees is there any changes to the agenda sought for today

[0:05:44] Voice 4: i have a new business new business and what's

[0:05:48] Voice 4: your new business what should we call it

[0:05:49] Voice 4: The KFM pilot project.

[0:05:53] Voice 4: Peter Hsu for information.

[0:05:56] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:06:00] Voice 3: So I do know that that is in our follow-up action list,

[0:06:05] Voice 3: but we can discuss it as new business if that's your preference.

[0:06:12] Voice 3: All

[0:06:12] Voice 10: right, by me.

[0:06:14] Voice 10: There's also an update from the RPM on the relationship.

[0:06:19] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:06:20] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:06:20] Voice 3: so we'll just see if it seems appropriate to dovetail the conversation.

[0:06:25] Voice 3: And at that point, then let's do that for efficiency.

[0:06:29] Voice 3: Anything else?

[0:06:31] Voice 3: I'll then take it by general consent the agenda is approved as amended.

[0:06:38] Voice 3: And then we go to trustee reports.

[0:06:41] Voice 3: Who would like to go first?

[0:06:45] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:06:46] Voice 4: Can you hear me back there?

[0:06:48] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:06:48] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:06:49] Voice 4: Yeah, so one

[0:06:51] Voice 9: of the things that I'm concerned about is what they're doing inside

[0:06:57] Voice 9: Coogan Bay Park with the new camping and the parking in there.

[0:07:01] Voice 9: And you want to log in, it looks like they're going to be taking it out of there.

[0:07:04] Voice 9: That's some of the best old-world trees on Hornby Island.

[0:07:09] Voice 9: And the way they're going to have the road come right up along the Timavik Trail,

[0:07:13] Voice 9: it just doesn't make any sense to me.

[0:07:16] Voice 9: sure there's a way they could do that park extension which i think is a good thing

[0:07:21] Voice 9: uh rather than do it that way so uh english the parks folks are really concerned about that

[0:07:28] Voice 9: yeah i'd like to get together with you sometime and figure out what we can do about that

[0:07:33] Voice 9: and the second concern again is uh interviewing is the closure of uh the outdoor education center

[0:07:40] Voice 9: i mean that that has been a institution on the island since stone houses landed as a

[0:07:49] Voice 9: lodge yeah so

[0:07:51] Voice 4: it's been an important part of education for the whole of this part of the

[0:07:56] Voice 4: island people coming over here kids

[0:07:57] Voice 9: so i don't know what we can do about that whether we can

[0:08:01] Voice 9: lobby from the trust for that but i think we should is there any i don't know follow-up

[0:08:06] Voice 4: is that where you thought the i think you were

[0:08:09] Voice 4: asking us is that where you thought the tower

[0:08:12] Voice 4: should be

[0:08:21] Voice 9: so anyway that's an issue we could discuss later the issue around glamping uh is one of the island

[0:08:28] Voice 9: here now it's uh there's uh you

[0:08:32] Voice 4: know it's a very interesting way of of having people thumbing the

[0:08:35] Voice 4: outlets lower impact um and it's uh it's something of of interest that i met with some of the folks

[0:08:42] Voice 4: that are proposing or doing it get

[0:08:47] Voice 9: their insights on their issues so that's the one thing we should

[0:08:51] Voice 9: talk about um and the whole ongoing thing about the short-term requirements

[0:08:56] Voice 4: alone you might have

[0:08:57] Voice 4: read is stopping

[0:08:59] Voice 9: all of them except they have got food to grandfather you understood we couldn't do

[0:09:04] Voice 9: but i think that's something we should look into to see if that's a possibility

[0:09:08] Voice 4: so anyway these

[0:09:08] Voice 4: are the things that have been rattling around in my world thank you uh trustee allen um i don't

[0:09:17] Voice 4: have much rattling on my work right now um

[0:09:20] Voice 7: i had a nice respite since the last meeting um i will say

[0:09:28] Voice 7: that i'm looking forward to working with my colleagues this term uh this year i guess and um

[0:09:34] Voice 7: My big word of the day of the year is going to be collaboration. I want to work with

[0:09:37] Voice 7: more groups and not be so isolated. I feel like I'm sort of staring at my computer way too much

[0:09:43] Voice 7: and not getting out there as much. So yeah and I'm looking forward to hoping we can solve,

[0:09:50] Voice 7: you know, making everybody happy regarding location rentals and all these other issues

[0:09:55] Voice 7: we have on our island right now. And it'd be nice to be able to actually do stuff and get

[0:09:59] Voice 7: things done and every time we get a chance we get a curveball toss in our direction which was the

[0:10:05] Voice 7: tower and then you know then we had raw so we continually have these things thrown that we know

[0:10:10] Voice 7: never know that they're going to come our direction and then everything gets held and you

[0:10:13] Voice 7: realize how slow things take so hopefully we won't have any curveballs this year other than the ones

[0:10:17] Voice 7: we had last year and uh get things done thank you okay

[0:10:23] Voice 3: thank you uh so for my chair's report um

[0:10:27] Voice 3: I'll just mention that as part of the Islands Trust Financial Planning Committee, we've been having a series of meetings and more to come in preparation for the Trust Council session in March to consider the budget.

[0:10:41] Voice 3: it um as well as i'm also on the governance committee where we're looking at um we're

[0:10:51] Voice 3: looking at

[0:10:51] Voice 3: the government's governance report of uh 2022 and uh going through the various

[0:10:58] Voice 3: recommendations and making uh prioritizing the the actions that we we see as uh actionable

[0:11:08] Voice 3: sooner rather than later and continuing that work.

[0:11:13] Voice 3: I attended the Sailor Sea Symposium last week in Vancouver

[0:11:18] Voice 3: where I met Regional Director Carver.

[0:11:22] Voice 3: And I'd say it was, there was a lot of positive,

[0:11:26] Voice 3: but there was a lot of frustration as well.

[0:11:30] Voice 3: It's put on by Transport Canada

[0:11:32] Voice 3: and trying to get the federal government

[0:11:38] Voice 3: to really understand, I think, the issues of coastal communities

[0:11:43] Voice 3: and, in my case specifically, those in the Salish Sea on our islands.

[0:11:48] Voice 3: It's a challenge to get the message across.

[0:11:53] Voice 3: But hopefully, as I've tried to make

[0:11:57] Voice 3: some personal connections,

[0:11:59] Voice 3: got some email addresses of some officials,

[0:12:02] Voice 3: and I'm going to be pursuing that work and trying to build some relationships

[0:12:07] Voice 3: so that we at least have an ear and i think that's kind of

[0:12:11] Voice 3: the best way to start to hope to try and

[0:12:14] Voice 3: and get some attention paid to our issues and then finally i just mentioned i mentioned shortly ago

[0:12:22] Voice 3: but press council is coming up in march where all the 26 trustees from all the islands will get

[0:12:27] Voice 3: together and the main item is considering um our budget for the for the 24 25 this year so i'll

[0:12:36] Voice 3: leave it at that and we have a spot on our uh regular agenda for the electoral area uh director's

[0:12:44] Voice 3: report and daniel arthur is here so if you'd like to address uh please do yeah

[0:12:52] Voice 11: thank you chair i'll

[0:12:53] Voice 11: stand here so hopefully everybody can hear me is that okay hey uh thanks the committee for having

[0:12:59] Voice 11: me on the agenda um i just have a few items for your four and then i'll let the tribune be out

[0:13:05] Voice 11: door and drive it up um quite reluctantly but uh because of the new provincial framework people

[0:13:14] Voice 11: know i haven't been involved with the stvr issue on the island because up to this point it's been

[0:13:19] Voice 11: very much an island stretch issue as it is for us in the rest of the areas it falls under planning

[0:13:24] Voice 11: but when the new provincial rules the province has granted a number of new powers to local

[0:13:30] Voice 11: local government um and it's becoming clear to us of the regional district that there's an

[0:13:35] Voice 11: opportunity for us to look um at our engagement not only where we are but potentially in in

[0:13:41] Voice 11: assistance to the island stress should that be desired specifically the new the new powers is

[0:13:47] Voice 11: is finally after decades of advocacy regional districts will now have um the the ability to

[0:13:55] Voice 11: issue business licenses and uh and at my initial meeting uh on this my feedback was i may not want

[0:14:02] Voice 11: to issue business licenses for small businesses in rural areas and stuff like that but stvrs and

[0:14:07] Voice 11: industry all like where where we know there's issues and it could be better regulation

[0:14:11] Voice 11: we could look at this so when trustee allen talks about collaboration i think this year this could

[0:14:17] Voice 11: be a good one and and i've been following it it's not like i've followed the deliberations on rb this

[0:14:22] Voice 11: because I've read the reports from BNPC.

[0:14:24] Voice 11: I've had some initial engagement recently

[0:14:27] Voice 11: with the short-term rental association.

[0:14:30] Voice 11: So I'm alive to the issues, but superficially,

[0:14:35] Voice 11: but I'd be quite willing to delve more into it with you.

[0:14:39] Voice 11: And we have budget next week.

[0:14:42] Voice 11: And if there is interest from the committee,

[0:14:44] Voice 11: so I'll put it that way.

[0:14:45] Voice 11: Unless you tell me not to do it,

[0:14:47] Voice 4: I

[0:14:48] Voice 11: could try at the last second to fight

[0:14:50] Voice 11: to put some money in the feasibility budget

[0:14:52] Voice 11: for us to work together.

[0:14:53] Voice 11: to look at a PBR.

[0:14:55] Voice 11: It wouldn't be a huge sum,

[0:14:56] Voice 11: but it would allow to resource our staff

[0:14:59] Voice 11: and maybe consultants and to,

[0:15:02] Voice 11: my planning staff is already aware I'd like to do that.

[0:15:06] Voice 11: So unless you see otherwise, I can at least see your market.

[0:15:09] Voice 11: It doesn't mean we'll spend it,

[0:15:10] Voice 11: but it'll be there if we decide in June

[0:15:12] Voice 11: that we want to pursue it more.

[0:15:18] Voice 11: And the other ones, Boat Ramp.

[0:15:22] Voice 11: So that project, the committee knows the funds were secured last fall, and I just wanted

[0:15:29] Voice 11: to make the committee aware that Comarch Association will be engaged early on in this project because

[0:15:35] Voice 11: it's right on the seashore.

[0:15:36] Voice 11: So I actually met with KFM yesterday and that's already come up.

[0:15:42] Voice 11: That will make sure that it's done to their satisfaction.

[0:15:47] Voice 11: The City already is also looking at creating a housing authority.

[0:15:51] Voice 11: So we're doing a feasibility around that.

[0:15:54] Voice 11: Some people are aware of the regional district has one, some of their resort municipalities

[0:16:00] Voice 11: do as well, like this one.

[0:16:02] Voice 4: So

[0:16:03] Voice 11: we're doing a feasibility.

[0:16:06] Voice 11: There's a lot of people here involved in housing, especially on the side of the roof, but that's

[0:16:10] Voice 11: I do.

[0:16:13] Voice 11: But here at the R&B in Denman, it's not contemplated that it would be included in that work, but

[0:16:18] Voice 11: i've asked is that we do some thorough consultation to see if if the islands had an interest in that

[0:16:24] Voice 11: um that's it next week is uh three days of budget so thank you to higher up i seek for all the care

[0:16:31] Voice 11: and um deliberations like going to present anything with that budget so they're often

[0:16:37] Voice 11: enough to do outdoor next week along with all the other budgets across the valley that's my report

[0:16:42] Voice 11: that mr chair thank you very much

[0:16:45] Voice 3: and uh could be in the outdoor area sir can i ask him yeah

[0:16:49] Voice 3: uh but go ahead i was also gonna ask if you're gonna be around for a little bit if we might

[0:16:52] Voice 3: have a chance to chat at the break uh yeah what is the break like at uh

[0:17:02] Voice 11: have you

[0:17:03] Voice 4: heard anything about the closure of the outdoors yeah

[0:17:08] Voice 11: sorry i said i would talk about it

[0:17:09] Voice 11: then i didn't uh so no i mean it's fresh news to everybody uh i just learned about it a couple days

[0:17:13] Voice 11: days ago so you in your comments you talked about follow-up all I did is I reached out to Sheila

[0:17:18] Voice 11: McDonald I think she's been the treasurer on the organization there's already a letter from

[0:17:22] Voice 11: Gord Campbell who's reappeared on the scene it's also heard news I think there's people that are

[0:17:27] Voice 11: going to want to help or at least look at what could be done so I've for myself it's just initial

[0:17:32] Voice 11: right it's not core to CRE but I've also reached out to a school trustee Chelsea McAnulty and

[0:17:38] Voice 11: and we're going to meet next week and with sheila i'll meet in the next few days or

[0:17:42] Voice 11: so and

[0:17:43] Voice 9: you'll bring that issue up with them

[0:17:44] Voice 11: yeah again and i can share with the two

[0:17:46] Voice 11: through the committee if you want uh i don't know the size of the problem whether it's a

[0:17:50] Voice 11: done deal or whether there's a portion of this is like 24 or 48 hours ago so thanks

[0:17:57] Voice 7: so regarding the budget for next week what's what sort of amount of money are we talking about that

[0:18:03] Voice 7: You could help for feasibility.

[0:18:05] Voice 7: Yeah,

[0:18:06] Voice 11: so for the feasibility of, like, in my belief, if we're going to do a real collaboration between the two, like that, I mean, you

[0:18:13] Voice 11: have staff here, but a real collaboration, I'm thinking like 30 grand.

[0:18:17] Voice 11: But what I have in my budget for Hornby is about 8,000, right?

[0:18:23] Voice 11: So if the committee or staff want to provide feedback before, I think that discussion is on Wednesday.

[0:18:29] Voice 11: that's a little quick but even if it's informal um because that legislation is hard to decipher

[0:18:35] Voice 11: a lot of it is actually coming in force this summer but at the rd we're like very few people

[0:18:41] Voice 11: are going to be ready by the summer to actually address the complexity of what's coming down

[0:18:46] Voice 11: so you know in the rest of the rural areas uh vacation rentals are not permitted in our land

[0:18:52] Voice 11: use violence but we have a ton of that so for us it's like an opportunity maybe to

[0:18:59] Voice 11: bring a regulation for vacation rental and the rest of our lives but they already could probably

[0:19:04] Voice 11: learn more because only has had it for you know 10 12 years and everybody agrees everybody left

[0:19:10] Voice 11: out two temporary east permit all these things haven't really worked so but with these new powers

[0:19:15] Voice 11: maybe there there's some solutions that that could be looked at that could benefit both rb but also

[0:19:20] Voice 11: the rest of the district i'd be quite happy if you have that desire and i understand we're two

[0:19:25] Voice 11: different institutions but i'd be quite happy to drag the cvrd into it and see if we can do something

[0:19:31] Voice 11: so do you need emotion on this or do you want to that's at the discretion with you

[0:19:35] Voice 11: emotion always house because then i when i do when i push for that next week i could say that

[0:19:39] Voice 11: at least in principle that the trust committee is support well i think that i was just going

[0:19:45] Voice 3: say we could we could consider that business a new business on the fly i'm all right with that um

[0:19:55] Voice 3: certainly in terms of the regulatory framework around short-term vacation rentals

[0:20:01] Voice 3: if the regional district is interested at least pursuing the idea and seeing the feasibility

[0:20:08] Voice 3: around business licensing that can have a significant effect

[0:20:13] Voice 3: on how we may be able to approach it.

[0:20:16] Voice 3: I don't know if you know, but our previous to the province's regulations

[0:20:23] Voice 3: that all came out in the fall, we had what we thought was a pretty simple

[0:20:28] Voice 3: and easy solution to having some limitation,

[0:20:33] Voice 3: and that's all out the window now because of that new regulation.

[0:20:38] Voice 3: So I think we need to at least investigate every potential tool as we go forward in the process here.

[0:20:46] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:20:47] Voice 3: That'd be a good place to use that $8,000 to refer it to the APC.

[0:20:53] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:20:53] Voice 12: And

[0:20:53] Voice 3: we can talk about this more, but I want to get us back on track with the rest of our business here.

[0:20:59] Voice 3: But really appreciate you coming today.

[0:21:00] Voice 3: and that's i think that's that's good news for the hornby local trust committee

[0:21:04] Voice 4: and

[0:21:06] Voice 3: uh and a

[0:21:07] Voice 3: good opportunity for collaboration so that's that's fantastic so next up uh we have a public

[0:21:14] Voice 3: comment session um and so i'll look for a show of hands i'll just remind everyone to uh uh direct

[0:21:24] Voice 3: or comments to the elected officials um not the other participant or staff uh and speak to um the

[0:21:33] Voice 3: issues ideally that are on today's agenda or otherwise in a more general sense in the

[0:21:39] Voice 3: jurisdiction of the local trust committee and uh be concise and respectful as i mentioned earlier

[0:21:52] Voice 4: and

[0:21:53] Voice 3: yeah so I'll leave it at that I'll look for a show of hands I'm going to start on this side

[0:21:57] Voice 3: of the room so I see right right up front here I'm going to start here and then I'll work across

[0:22:02] Voice 3: this thank

[0:22:04] Voice 4: you Tim and Daniel thank you for bringing up that the CVRD is going to investigate

[0:22:12] Voice 4: the vacation rental licensing that's something that the community's been asking about having

[0:22:20] Voice 4: having licensing for that sector probably since 2010, so the government allowing it

[0:22:29] Voice 4: through the regional district is fantastic news in that the regional district will extend

[0:22:35] Voice 4: themselves to at least reviewing whether that's an option for us is a really great collaboration.

[0:22:42] Voice 4: So fully supportive of that and hope that the trust will make that collaboration and

[0:22:48] Voice 4: communication with the cdr today um because time is short if uh the legislation comes in and then

[0:22:56] Voice 4: so it'll be uh important to make that a priority um the second point that i wanted to talk about

[0:23:05] Voice 4: is the um

[0:23:10] Voice 4: oh sorry i was trying to talk about uh there is no mic no um so the second point that i want the

[0:23:17] Voice 4: The first point I made was supporting the licensing

[0:23:20] Voice 4: at the CVRD, investigating that for vacation rentals.

[0:23:24] Voice 4: The second point that I wanted to bring up

[0:23:26] Voice 4: was the Hi-Seek application

[0:23:31] Voice 4: through the Wellesley Consulting Group

[0:23:33] Voice 4: and Catherine Ronan,

[0:23:34] Voice 4: the lead of the Hi-Seek Board on Housing.

[0:23:38] Voice 4: The intention is that the application to Crown Alliance,

[0:23:42] Voice 4: which includes housing and cemetery extension and delineating that property for community use

[0:23:55] Voice 4: is expected to go in within the next month and so Catherine is away she asked me if I could convey

[0:24:02] Voice 4: that very much she would like the trust to be watching for that and being as supportive as

[0:24:07] Voice 4: possible around the application and the uh following acquisition of property for uh housing

[0:24:18] Voice 4: so those are my two points thank you today thank you mr

[0:24:21] Voice 7: so yeah i tried to email catherine as soon

[0:24:26] Voice 7: as she was away so um i just want to clarify so basically in the next month we're just going to

[0:24:31] Voice 7: hear that are you your name from the promise or is it just going to be another stage before we're

[0:24:37] Voice 7: actually getting if

[0:24:38] Voice 4: I was involved in putting that application in which may or may not be the case

[0:24:45] Voice 4: I would ask the trust for a letter to put in with the application to me that would seem logical

[0:24:51] Voice 4: um I haven't been working on that file I would hope that that would be something that you would

[0:24:57] Voice 4: consider maybe relatively quickly or have already done you know when announcement's returning um

[0:25:03] Voice 4: maybe 10 more days next week and the next week just

[0:25:08] Voice 10: through the chair i'm staff is meeting with

[0:25:11] Voice 10: catherine probably on the sixth or so that's my

[0:25:14] Voice 10: understanding this uh

[0:25:16] Voice 10: how many date that we set to discuss that application

[0:25:19] Voice 10: yeah and the support

[0:25:21] Voice 4: letter

[0:25:21] Voice 10: crown lands and uh the crown line referral that will that would get plus whatever else is

[0:25:37] Voice 2: I

[0:25:40] Voice 6: have some new input that will be of great interest for everybody in this room.

[0:25:45] Voice 6: It's going to take me about four and a half minutes to impart it to you,

[0:25:48] Voice 6: and for that reason, Gary has graciously allotted me his time. So

[0:25:54] Voice 6: here we go.

[0:25:56] Voice 6: This is a short tale of two islands. Hornby's official community plan is our only defense

[0:26:01] Voice 6: against predatory corporations yet we now find rogers and the islands trust corporation

[0:26:08] Voice 6: not intervening quote both the spirit and substance of our antenna sighting regulations

[0:26:14] Voice 6: to borrow justin clark's remarks made during yesterday's extraordinary hearing in vancouver

[0:26:20] Voice 6: in federal court mr clark took on isid and rogers in applying for the removal of a cell tower

[0:26:27] Voice 6: erected after concurrence obtained under fraudulent representations by Rogers Communications was rescinded.

[0:26:36] Voice 6: This matter is about due process in placing a cell tower in a community, Salt Springs advocate told the court,

[0:26:43] Voice 6: but Rogers submission was riddled with misleading and inaccurate information.

[0:26:52] Voice 6: Specifically, Rogers asserted there was a public meeting, Mr. Clark informed the judge there was not.

[0:26:58] Voice 6: Though Salt Springs model siting policy requires a public meeting, as does ours, the consultation process was not successfully completed, he emphasized, and most certainly did not comply with the model protocol.

[0:27:13] Voice 6: a call. So what constitutes public process? Community-based dialogue, Mr. Clark argued.

[0:27:22] Voice 6: An in-person public meeting must be held in order to fulfill all requirements, yet consultation

[0:27:30] Voice 6: was not fulfilled to the satisfaction of those affected. Both our OCP and model siting policies

[0:27:38] Voice 6: required, to borrow again from Mr. Clark, a fair representation and accurate description.

[0:27:45] Voice 6: We thought we were fighting a single tower. Now we learn of eight antennas earmarked for the Rogers

[0:27:52] Voice 6: Tower here. Heads up, Hornby. Salt Spring's latest nine antenna towers is now draped with 22 panels,

[0:28:03] Voice 6: panels, each skewing injurious electromagnetic radiation 24-7. Mr. Clark called Rogers' conduct

[0:28:12] Voice 6: deplorable. We emphatically agree. The island's trust is required to assist the proponent in

[0:28:20] Voice 6: achieving compliance within 120 days. Even with extensions, would it be reasonable to assert

[0:28:28] Voice 6: that 15 months of equivocation and delay is unreasonable and vexatious.

[0:28:37] Voice 6: Even worse, the August 22 Rogers formal application was kept from this community,

[0:28:44] Voice 6: but not from any other off-island agencies until after the LTC elections were held

[0:28:52] Voice 6: without this hot-button issue being disclosed.

[0:28:56] Voice 6: Next came the planner who blocked our trustee's legitimate call for a vote of non-concurrence.

[0:29:05] Voice 6: Mr. Clark reported that the Salt Spring community spent $10,000 on a lawyer and got nowhere with both ICED and the trust.

[0:29:14] Voice 6: I see more nodding heads.

[0:29:17] Voice 6: Procedural fairness was not followed, Mr. Clark asserted.

[0:29:20] Voice 6: Our lawyer agrees.

[0:29:22] Voice 6: As Carla Kalkin reminded the trust planners and our LTC in her December 23 legal opinion, repackaging cannot rebuild public trust in a process broken beyond resurrection.

[0:29:37] Voice 6: resurrection. I like that resurrection. Ms. Calkin found that our OCP's advocacy policies

[0:29:44] Voice 6: remain unaddressed, specifically to provision that Industry Canada is encouraged to prohibit

[0:29:51] Voice 6: commercial microwave towers on Hornby Island. Most importantly, our OCP also requires all

[0:30:00] Voice 6: public service and utility installations on the island should be for servicing Hornby Island only.

[0:30:08] Voice 6: I submit that a proposed tower with eight antennas on an island less than 12 square miles

[0:30:15] Voice 6: violates this unequivocal stipulation. In closing, our trustees appear to prefer

[0:30:25] Voice 6: to duck their responsibilities by asserting, I said, supremacy. But as Mr. Clark reminded the

[0:30:31] Voice 6: the federal court, ICED has jurisdiction, but does not have unfettered power. Remember,

[0:30:40] Voice 6: an earlier rejection of the TELUS tower here was not challenged by ICED. Our lawyer is an expert

[0:30:48] Voice 6: on trust procedures. Her legal opinion concluded that our LTC is under no obligation to wait for

[0:30:55] Voice 6: requests from Rogers to determine non-concurrence. It is well within the authority of the LTC to

[0:31:00] Voice 6: to finalize its assessment, and to recognize the breach of trust that has occurred that cannot be

[0:31:06] Voice 6: fixed through another meeting or notification measures. If not, Mr. Clark lamented the prominent

[0:31:15] Voice 6: unsightly tower looming over his community, his word, inducing tangible anxiety and stress

[0:31:23] Voice 6: over detrimental health effects among the infirm, those with pacemakers, and the very young.

[0:31:30] Voice 6: The condos forced on this community over our strenuous objections present an ugly welcome to arriving residents and visitors alike.

[0:31:40] Voice 6: Does the trust really want to up the ante with another permanent debacle?

[0:31:45] Voice 6: My message is simple. Enough.

[0:31:49] Voice 6: In my 15-page submission to ICED earlier this week, on behalf of the concerned residents of Hornady Island,

[0:31:56] Voice 6: I called on Minister Champagne to 1. Discipline Rogers, SitePath, and Brian Gray for obstructing fair process, and 2. Dismiss this and all further applications for cell tower siting on Hornby Island.

[0:32:13] Voice 6: I call on our trustees to honor their oath to protect their constituents, including all the voiceless ones, and vote for non-concurrence today. Thank you.

[0:32:33] Voice 3: you're next yes i'm just going to mention though that uh just procedurally uh if you if you want

[0:32:40] Voice 3: to speak longer than a couple minutes i'd prefer if you uh apply to be a delegation and then you

[0:32:44] Voice 3: can have a full 10 unfettered just so that we can it's just about the flow of the meeting um go

[0:32:50] Voice 3: ahead please okay

[0:32:51] Voice 4: there is no one line item in our community plan official community plan which

[0:33:00] Voice 4: which is the basis of all of our laws,

[0:33:02] Voice 4: which states definitively that cell towers

[0:33:04] Voice 4: aren't prohibited on Hormelian in any circumstance.

[0:33:07] Voice 4: There's lots of language which collectively

[0:33:10] Voice 4: banned this particular tower and anything like it.

[0:33:13] Voice 4: In fact, the application for this tower

[0:33:15] Voice 4: should never have been accepted by a trust.

[0:33:19] Voice 4: To repeat what Will said,

[0:33:21] Voice 4: Industry Canada is encouraged to prohibit

[0:33:23] Voice 4: commercial microwave towers and satellite antenna on Hormelian.

[0:33:27] Voice 4: 5.5.3 transmission towers should be allowed

[0:33:33] Voice 4: provided the towers are below the height for which Transport Canada requires navigation lights and should be regulated to protect the visual amenity of the residential neighbourhood.

[0:33:43] Voice 4: This is a 24-storey tower. It's in the flight path of our medevac helicopters. Lots of small planes fly on this line. This tower must be festooned with lights for safety, and I'm sure that will be.

[0:33:57] Voice 4: So we've got a 24-story tower for students with lights, and we'll see it from every corner of this island.

[0:34:04] Voice 4: All public service and utility installations on the island should be for servicing Hornby only.

[0:34:11] Voice 4: Do you really think a few dozen cell users is going to justify a half-million-dollar expenditure on a tower that won't even give a complete cell tower?

[0:34:20] Voice 4: Maybe not even that much in an improvement over what we have.

[0:34:23] Voice 4: um this tower is sticking two to three hundred percent above a forest um this tower is clearly

[0:34:33] Voice 4: for strategic purposes to improve roger's bottom line we're sticking right out here they need us

[0:34:38] Voice 4: they don't care about us it's not to provide us with cell towers cover or cell coverage it is to

[0:34:45] Voice 4: improve their bottom line increase their network and that's obvious to a kindergartner um i just

[0:34:54] Voice 4: wanted to talk about the safety issue which is another issue we hear about my son works his ass

[0:34:59] Voice 4: off for the fire department on this island he'll be the guy hauling people off the mountain he will

[0:35:04] Voice 4: rappel down cliffs to rescue people and there's a very good chance he will show up at your house if

[0:35:10] Voice 4: you phone 9-1-1 he carries a cell phone he doesn't want a cell tower he says there's no need for a

[0:35:16] Voice 4: cell tower if you really want to improve the safety of our emergency people you will forget

[0:35:21] Voice 4: Forget about the old technology of cell towers and give our people satellite phones.

[0:35:26] Voice 4: They will be good through all kinds of issues where our cell towers go down without the unsightly.

[0:35:33] Voice 4: Why are we catering to corporate Canada to give us a cell tower we don't want, we don't need, and it's not safe?

[0:35:44] Voice 4: As far as I'm concerned, our official community plan is our law.

[0:35:51] Voice 4: It clearly states, to anyone who cares to read it, that this tower is not applicable for our island.

[0:35:58] Voice 4: It is not allowed. If you really want cell towers on this island, you must go back to the community plan

[0:36:03] Voice 4: and do the revisions required to make that tower application consistent with our laws.

[0:36:10] Voice 4: If not, you are breaking the law. And that's all we have between us and corporate exploitation.

[0:36:16] Voice 4: and you know if you want to turn hornby island into disneyland ignore our laws but if you want

[0:36:22] Voice 4: to protect this island and withhold your commitments your obligations and your responsibilities you

[0:36:29] Voice 4: must vote non-compliance and let us carry on with the business of creating safe housing safety how

[0:36:36] Voice 4: about half of our population doomed to be living in campers that are covered in black mold in swamps

[0:36:42] Voice 4: That's where the safety issues lie. That's where our energy shift goes. Not in half million dollar corporate entities that we don't need. Thank you.

[0:37:12] Voice 4: Okay. So, this is a very emotional issue. We've been a small group on the island, we've been researching, researching, researching, because we haven't had a real public participation.

[0:37:28] Voice 4: patient. So here's after more than a year of a screwed up process looking at erecting a

[0:37:37] Voice 4: fifth generation tower in the middle of our service area. Surely by now it's become obvious

[0:37:46] Voice 4: that the cell phone is tracking our society into a mind-numbing virtual reality, sucking the light,

[0:37:54] Voice 4: creating an addiction acting as a propaganda device so little respect has been given to

[0:38:03] Voice 4: due process in this um this power application and to preserving and protecting what is natural

[0:38:12] Voice 4: what is sacred acknowledging the frequency of the planet that all life is attuned to how cleverly

[0:38:22] Voice 4: orchestrated this proposal as being so as to minimize any real consultation or education

[0:38:28] Voice 4: with the Hormony residents. Hiding behind Safety Code 6, that doesn't amount to safety at all.

[0:38:36] Voice 4: Unless you're a large man with a large head, children aren't even considered in this.

[0:38:44] Voice 4: And so little regard for the living environment around. Introducing a military-style technology

[0:38:52] Voice 4: designed for the Internet of Things and surveillance of every action and every interaction, making

[0:39:00] Voice 4: the cell phone a trap.

[0:39:01] Voice 4: And now we hear the future of the World Wide Web will be in the future controlled by corporate

[0:39:10] Voice 4: governments.

[0:39:11] Voice 4: We're considering introducing a technology that will bombard the sun with electromagnetic

[0:39:20] Voice 4: pulses.

[0:39:20] Voice 4: and it's the pulse that affects the body and the immune system in the cells and it's definitely

[0:39:32] Voice 4: known to cause cancer. It disrupts the natural immune system for every living thing. Come on folks,

[0:39:40] Voice 4: all this is easily found on the internet. There's study after study and this is a very

[0:39:48] Voice 4: difficult thing to study. It's a new thing because everybody isn't the same, every situation isn't

[0:39:55] Voice 4: the same, but we know it causes cancer. And if we erect this big tower, there'll be no safe place

[0:40:08] Voice 4: on Hornby Island for those of us who want to shelter from this radiation. Call me a conspiracy

[0:40:16] Voice 4: terrorist if you want, but do your own research and let's have a discussion about the findings.

[0:40:23] Voice 4: definitely and one friend of mine yesterday said hey heather it's already here gemini

[0:40:29] Voice 4: has it there's one over there and one over there that's like saying we're already screwed so we

[0:40:35] Voice 4: might as well be royally screwed some say we need to do this for the kids for god's

[0:40:43] Voice 4: sakes really every study shows how vulnerable children are to the addiction to the frequencies

[0:40:49] Voice 4: coincidences to the mind-numbing virtual reality. We need to wake up to this. Surely there's better

[0:40:59] Voice 4: technologies. And if we didn't, if we said no to this one, they'll show up. Conferences are being

[0:41:05] Voice 4: held all over the planet. People concerned with the data, it's overwhelming. No cell phone will

[0:41:13] Voice 4: pass the safety test when it's held next to the body. It doesn't make good sense to put future

[0:41:21] Voice 4: life at risk for a few who want better cell reception i ask you three to be courageous

[0:41:33] Voice 4: be visionaries be heroes stop this in its tracks and we'll all sleep better at night

[0:41:51] Voice 3: okay more hands and and so we're trending well over three minutes apiece and i i have some

[0:41:57] Voice 3: concerns about the timing of the meeting so please try and be more concise i don't like to cut people

[0:42:04] Voice 3: off um but when you're when you're you know when you're six minutes and out that should be

[0:42:10] Voice 3: delegation otherwise i need to look to the trustees to somehow give us more time because

[0:42:15] Voice 3: we have fairies and all of that stuff so just with that in mind i don't want to be harsh but

[0:42:21] Voice 3: but if you're concise,

[0:42:23] Voice 4: I

[0:42:24] Voice 3: won't need to be.

[0:42:25] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[0:42:30] Voice 4: I'm a bit slow and everybody knows it,

[0:42:32] Voice 4: so beware, I'm not probably going to run.

[0:42:37] Voice 4: And I do want to acknowledge again

[0:42:39] Voice 4: that I live on the unceded territory of the Ocromo Nation

[0:42:42] Voice 4: and I want reconciliation and I work towards that every day

[0:42:47] Voice 4: and I ask and urge everyone else to.

[0:42:51] Voice 4: This is my letter.

[0:42:53] Voice 4: the letter is to ask you our trustees and our kin and for our community reform bc

[0:43:00] Voice 4: we are asking you to stop rogers telecommunication from putting a

[0:43:05] Voice 4: cell tower here we will explain

[0:43:08] Voice 4: explain our reasons when we are faced with unknown forget that um we are now facing a sighting permit

[0:43:15] Voice 4: that only is two blocks away from the last time

[0:43:19] Voice 4: we voted a cell tower down.

[0:43:23] Voice 4: This is a very bad site, and this is why I think it is.

[0:43:27] Voice 4: The ballpark, our team's won first place

[0:43:30] Voice 4: in the last two years against off-teams,

[0:43:33] Voice 4: off-island teams.

[0:43:35] Voice 4: The bike pump track, the bike trail surrounding that,

[0:43:40] Voice 4: the Frisbee golf course, huge participation,

[0:43:42] Voice 4: participation. Joe King Clubhouse, it's a small cafe in the winter. The kitchen, meals to workers

[0:43:48] Voice 4: and homeless, it's used as a warming center. The weight room, it needs to be expanded with so many

[0:43:56] Voice 4: users. The soccer field, off-island teams come and try and beat our hornby team that's been put

[0:44:01] Voice 4: together from a lot of our new islanders. Our community school, the school hours and after

[0:44:09] Voice 4: school hours are high we've got a beautiful school we stood up for that and got it the pickleball

[0:44:16] Voice 4: basketball badminton spark maker space the island that's our island workshop where they're proposing

[0:44:24] Voice 4: to put the water testing the depot to reduce reuse in the garbage space the recycled pre-store

[0:44:33] Voice 4: pre-store happy volunteers with a big learning curve for our visitors the community hall many

[0:44:40] Voice 4: Many, many things like today are used for with the community hall.

[0:44:44] Voice 4: It's going to be in this historic something or other, which is great.

[0:44:49] Voice 4: Little theater out there, outside performances, the home support building run by Vihai, Vihai does its call.

[0:44:56] Voice 4: The outside market, about 30 vendors spring and summer.

[0:45:00] Voice 4: The first credit union, five employees and most of the island are members.

[0:45:05] Voice 4: members, the medical clinic, two doctors, three staff and one nurse practitioner we

[0:45:10] Voice 4: all depend on, natural history building where our community has collected fossils, birds,

[0:45:19] Voice 4: skeletons and mammals, Hornby Island Economic Enhancement Court, this group is working compiling

[0:45:26] Voice 4: all kinds of things.

[0:45:28] Voice 4: I know they're working on the housing site where the proposed cell tower site is.

[0:45:33] Voice 4: is this island this land is earmarked for years we've talked about housing there the hornby island

[0:45:41] Voice 4: residence and rate paris building our local government under the cbr i want and it's a

[0:45:48] Voice 4: society i think um new art center and it will be open soon and 90 finished anyway and i hope to

[0:45:57] Voice 4: hear its name soon room to grow we can hold meetings and use the zoom equipment there

[0:46:02] Voice 4: very handy the preschool kids five days a week and the aides we have adequate self-coverage

[0:46:12] Voice 4: we've said that more than enough and self-companies will never think we have enough

[0:46:19] Voice 4: self-coverage they've already proposed or told us that this cell tower will not cover all the

[0:46:26] Voice 4: corned beef. So if you get a broken leg or fall down a cliff out there, you probably don't have

[0:46:32] Voice 4: cell coverage. But you know what? We've saved people before and we'll save them again. We do

[0:46:38] Voice 4: not want cell towers over us. And that cell tower is surrounding all the places I've told you about.

[0:46:46] Voice 4: We have our community plans and dreams in front of us. We want to have planned green spaces around

[0:46:54] Voice 4: us. We are a tourist destination and we advertise a getaway experience. This is our drawcard and

[0:47:02] Voice 4: that is why we live here and we love this little unique island. We have been working to get the

[0:47:09] Voice 4: much-needed housing where Rogers Telecommunication has applied for the site of Crown Land.

[0:47:17] Voice 4: The tower is not needed and not wanted from a lot of us.

[0:47:22] Voice 4: We have chosen this site for housing and we have been getting our ducks in a row and have been in touch with the BC government and First Nations.

[0:47:31] Voice 4: Of course, our ducks are not always in a row.

[0:47:34] Voice 4: As you can see, things can upset real quickly, like what's happening at Tribune Bay right now.

[0:47:40] Voice 4: But people are on it, all kinds of people.

[0:47:44] Voice 4: We try to get in with the First Nations on everything we do, also the CDRD and Islands Trust.

[0:47:53] Voice 4: We like to talk with our local government, and we've been doing that for this housing.

[0:48:00] Voice 4: We don't want the tower, so please help us continue in our island community.

[0:48:06] Voice 4: opportunity uh yesterday i just about gave up when i heard

[0:48:12] Voice 4: that court case

[0:48:13] Voice 3: judith you're at

[0:48:14] Voice 3: double time now so please i'll

[0:48:16] Voice 4: just be finished to settle up i it was a julian clark made a

[0:48:21] Voice 4: wonderful proposal i thought the judge um moving the cell power he was they were talking about that

[0:48:29] Voice 4: and the judge said there's not a chance that's exactly what he said and you can read it through

[0:48:35] Voice 4: as well there i think there are some on salt oh did i say okay cell power um like that through me

[0:48:47] Voice 4: is it only oh and one it doesn't matter how close it is on salt spring we i already told you about

[0:48:53] Voice 4: how close it is here i think our trustees and that is who is i said said speaks for us must show that

[0:49:02] Voice 4: this site is not okay you have to tell the bc government um that we've got plans for that grant

[0:49:10] Voice 4: says that we need to have it moved and we can put it somewhere that he can't see it and i can't see

[0:49:15] Voice 4: it but whoever's going to see it then rogers admits i'm sorry i used to dream sorry please

[0:49:23] Voice 3: you're well over double time now so

[0:49:25] Voice 4: that's about what i have to say and a lot lot more and i just

[0:49:30] Voice 4: Ms. Holt, I ask and appeal to you, my trustees, to represent and deal with land, the land

[0:49:40] Voice 4: issue with PC government and the Crown.

[0:49:42] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:49:49] Voice 4: How many years do we have to stand up and hear all the same thing?

[0:49:54] Voice 4: It's quite obvious what the problem is.

[0:49:58] Voice 4: And what we're saying is, why don't you have the judge to stand up and say, look, we don't

[0:50:03] Voice 4: want a tower however we're very happy perhaps for the fiber optics and everyone knows

[0:50:11] Voice 4: fiber optics gives you a better system than wi-fi and the whole bit so y'all the people that want

[0:50:18] Voice 4: everything magic and fast go for your your fiber optics but don't put the tower on there is so much

[0:50:25] Voice 4: against it i'm just reverberating repeating what everybody else has said of what we're saying do

[0:50:32] Voice 4: Do you want this to go on for the next meeting, and the next meeting, and the next year?

[0:50:37] Voice 4: Before you find another story to happen, get with it.

[0:50:41] Voice 4: We want you to make a decision and work for it.

[0:50:43] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[0:50:51] Voice 12: Yes, in the back.

[0:50:53] Voice 12: I

[0:50:55] Voice 4: wanted to say much more.

[0:50:57] Voice 4: I have to say much more, but I'll cut it down to one sentence, because it's way less than two minutes.

[0:51:02] Voice 4: I found this wonderful quote by Martin Luther King, it is a history book by the way, very timely, and it says,

[0:51:13] Voice 4: There comes a time when one must take a position that

[0:51:20] Voice 5: is neither safe nor politic nor popular,

[0:51:25] Voice 4: but one must take it simply because it is right.

[0:51:31] Voice 4: please vote for my concurrence because it will be wet thank you and

[0:51:43] Voice 3: then still moving this way

[0:51:44] Voice 3: i'll come back to you i saw

[0:51:46] Voice 4: some hands up this way

[0:51:47] Voice 3: i

[0:51:48] Voice 4: mean you pretty much remember what i said at the last meeting so i will not necessarily

[0:52:02] Voice 4: reach myself but legally the trustees and this community have been blindsided all along by

[0:52:09] Voice 4: planners who have not really really paid attention to the law that is the simple truth i you know we

[0:52:17] Voice 4: listened yesterday to the whole meeting in front of the federal court we know we read the ocp

[0:52:23] Voice 4: through and through this community knows what the law is the law states unequivocally that no such

[0:52:29] Voice 4: power can be placed on the silent no such government doesn't serve the community only

[0:52:36] Voice 4: only all this time and we expect our trustees to actually support that because it's the law

[0:52:43] Voice 4: it's like the constitution of this island and nobody had the right to tell us to vote against

[0:52:51] Voice 4: it number one number two it turns out that legally a vote of non-concurrents can be put forward by

[0:52:59] Voice 4: our local trustees who are our elected representatives and as such have to reflect

[0:53:05] Voice 4: like the will of this community at any time, any time,

[0:53:09] Voice 4: and not be silenced by people who don't really understand that.

[0:53:13] Voice 4: You

[0:53:14] Voice 5: are not only able

[0:53:16] Voice 4: to, I mean, you are trustees

[0:53:18] Voice 4: who have been considered a pitching force

[0:53:20] Voice 4: because the moves have been so confusing.

[0:53:24] Voice 4: This community, this group of us or more,

[0:53:26] Voice 4: have been struggling to really understand all the games

[0:53:31] Voice 4: and all the misinformation and disinformation

[0:53:34] Voice 4: and all of these that we're told are bad,

[0:53:37] Voice 5: that have been played against us,

[0:53:38] Voice 5: when in reality, our OCP says very blindly and very clearly,

[0:53:43] Voice 5: and that's the law,

[0:53:44] Voice 5: that there's no such

[0:53:45] Voice 4: power allowed on this island.

[0:53:47] Voice 4: No model strategy, we had a model strategy

[0:53:50] Voice 4: that was held back for four years,

[0:53:53] Voice 4: because it was trying to figure out

[0:53:54] Voice 4: what to do with the OCP.

[0:53:56] Voice 4: And at the last minute, there was a switch,

[0:53:58] Voice 4: and another, the island stress model policy

[0:54:01] Voice 4: policy was switched by a planner who has secretly left.

[0:54:05] Voice 4: And this is everything that we found out through Victoria.

[0:54:10] Voice 4: Whose strategic interest does it serve

[0:54:12] Voice 4: to have a tower on the island?

[0:54:14] Voice 4: It is not needed.

[0:54:15] Voice 4: It's not needed here, not wanted.

[0:54:18] Voice 4: It's not economically viable

[0:54:19] Voice 4: and it's

[0:54:21] Voice 5: environmentally dangerous.

[0:54:22] Voice 5: Look at the science we have.

[0:54:25] Voice 5: It is the owners, the people who want to stick us

[0:54:29] Voice 5: with this tower to prove to us that

[0:54:30] Voice 4: it isn't safety photos and outmoded outdated because not

[0:54:35] Voice 4: have anything doesn't speak to the real danger that this tower causes this 240 feet tower

[0:54:41] Voice 4: why are we prevented from dealing with real real issues like safety issues social issues

[0:54:49] Voice 4: environmental issues we are the stewards of this land the people who came here came here because

[0:54:56] Voice 4: we love this island we stay here because we love this island those people who really aren't and

[0:55:00] Voice 4: have got i don't know why they came here frankly if they really want to live under those circumstances

[0:55:06] Voice 4: they can go anywhere else in the world they don't have to come here right don't push your you know

[0:55:14] Voice 4: these ideas and the people who don't like it unless our local trust pressies have been

[0:55:21] Voice 4: repeatedly, like I said, blindsided

[0:55:23] Voice 4: and prevented from acting

[0:55:26] Voice 4: according to the law.

[0:55:29] Voice 4: That is a fact.

[0:55:30] Voice 4: It's undisputable.

[0:55:32] Voice 5: We can prove it. We have the

[0:55:34] Voice 5: foyer. We have the whole

[0:55:36] Voice 5: reports of all, like

[0:55:38] Voice 5: Alfred

[0:55:39] Voice 4: was saying, of all the times

[0:55:40] Voice 4: we've been out here talking to everybody.

[0:55:43] Voice 4: Now is the time

[0:55:44] Voice 4: to have the opportunity to vote. You can vote

[0:55:46] Voice 4: for non-conquerors at this meeting.

[0:55:48] Voice 4: Everybody is asking for it.

[0:55:51] Voice 4: Everybody is asking

[0:55:52] Voice 4: you to do the whole thing. You have a

[0:55:54] Voice 4: choice now as our trustees who live in this

[0:55:56] Voice 4: community, who have to face us

[0:55:58] Voice 4: day after day after day, look at us in the

[0:56:00] Voice 4: face, who have chosen

[0:56:02] Voice 4: you, who trust you

[0:56:04] Voice 4: to represent us and to

[0:56:06] Voice 4: work on our behalf.

[0:56:08] Voice 4: You have an opportunity, like I said last time,

[0:56:10] Voice 4: to be the hero of this community.

[0:56:13] Voice 4: You have

[0:56:14] Voice 4: this opportunity and you

[0:56:16] Voice 4: are legally backed.

[0:56:18] Voice 4: You have a legal right to vote

[0:56:20] Voice 4: for non-concurrent. You are

[0:56:22] Voice 4: you have you are backed by law to do that you have no excuse now to really truly you have the

[0:56:28] Voice 2: will of the community and you have the

[0:56:30] Voice 4: law nothing is stopping you so i really hope that we will

[0:56:36] Voice 4: listen to that thank you see another hand over here yes and then sorry

[0:56:49] Voice 4: folks um just a couple

[0:56:51] Voice 4: of updates we've been working on a housing strategy um for the housing network and part

[0:56:55] Voice 4: the housing society we have a draft after many many many many many months um

[0:57:01] Voice 1: and we got sideline

[0:57:02] Voice 1: too

[0:57:02] Voice 4: by the provincial regulations but we're moving ahead with looking at it and we'll be coming up to

[0:57:08] Voice 4: the community to share it and feedback though what's our priorities we have to wait until we

[0:57:14] Voice 4: figure out today provincial regulations probably impact funding it may impact we don't know but we

[0:57:19] Voice 4: we have a starting document, just a starting document,

[0:57:23] Voice 4: open to feedback, changes, revising, anything.

[0:57:27] Voice 4: And the other piece that goes with that

[0:57:30] Voice 4: is we also worked on a community profile project

[0:57:33] Voice 4: for Hornby and Dunham, and that's online.

[0:57:36] Voice 4: It has all the stats that we could dig up

[0:57:39] Voice 4: from how many library users there are

[0:57:41] Voice 4: to how many people in the graveyard.

[0:57:44] Voice 4: Communityprofiles.ca, please look at it.

[0:57:47] Voice 4: If you find errors, want additions, want changes for the next story, let us know.

[0:57:53] Voice 4: And I was supposed to be looking up here, sorry.

[0:58:00] Voice 12: Okay, right in the front here, please.

[0:58:02] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:58:04] Voice 4: You haven't been asking for names, but that's okay.

[0:58:07] Voice 4: I'm Joanna Witzland.

[0:58:12] Voice 4: Just a point of clarity with what Karen said about what Catherine Rohn is working on

[0:58:20] Voice 4: and certainly in parallel there is looking at applying for crown land for cemetery but it will

[0:58:27] Voice 4: be a separate application it will not be the same I just wanted to make that point of clarity

[0:58:32] Voice 4: the other part is just around timing and I you know of course understand all the issues that

[0:58:38] Voice 4: come up with the provincial regulations the APC recommendations were two years ago

[0:58:44] Voice 4: how do we move this forward I think the licensing issue is awesome that we can explore that

[0:58:51] Voice 4: But if that takes two years, do we still allow this incremental growth of the SDVR sector?

[0:58:56] Voice 4: Because there is probably 10 to 15 percent more that are being listed than this time last year.

[0:59:02] Voice 4: Secondly, how do we silo off the housing aspect of it?

[0:59:07] Voice 4: If the SDVR issue is a separate issue, there were APC recommendations around housing that are also languishing.

[0:59:15] Voice 4: change and that i would like to see how we could maybe separate those out and at least try to move

[0:59:20] Voice 4: forward with that one more immediately it's my frustration is it's two years and we are not

[0:59:27] Voice 4: single step forward and how do we rectify how do we make this move forward more move forward

[0:59:34] Voice 4: more efficiently thanks okay

[0:59:37] Voice 8: they

[0:59:39] Voice 12: saw halfway over here yeah so

[0:59:41] Voice 8: as i've been listening to this

[0:59:43] Voice 8: I'm just going to make this very short go to the bare bones.

[0:59:46] Voice 8: So if it's our constitutional right to say no to this, then it is Island's Trust and

[0:59:52] Voice 8: Rogers' constitutional right to abide by that.

[0:59:54] Voice 8: If they think that they can assert themselves over the law, then that's an illegal deal.

[1:00:00] Voice 8: right there and it should be null and voided

[1:00:02] Voice 4: all right uh

[1:00:09] Voice 3: right in the back there

[1:00:10] Voice 3: i

[1:00:13] Voice 4: think it's really important to stand up for us because obviously there's so many people here that

[1:00:27] Voice 4: are against it and the other thing i'd like to bring up is i have two other parents that

[1:00:31] Voice 4: wanted to come sylvia and i are switching back no school there's no preschool today

[1:00:37] Voice 4: parents tend to come i know two other parents that wanted to come to this meeting you know this

[1:00:42] Voice 4: thing had gone on for years on no child care like behind some child care to them did you get

[1:00:59] Voice 4: You know, look at all these people.

[1:01:01] Voice 4: We need young people to step up.

[1:01:03] Voice 4: We need for them to know what's going on.

[1:01:05] Voice 4: They can't come.

[1:01:06] Voice 4: There's no school.

[1:01:07] Voice 4: There's no preschool today.

[1:01:08] Voice 4: It's very difficult.

[1:01:10] Voice 4: So I urge the press to look at that and offer child care.

[1:01:16] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:01:25] Voice 4: i just wanted to say to the trustee i know that well what did i do know interacting with you that

[1:01:34] Voice 4: you are people that care about health and care about nature and so i just want to say i'm totally

[1:01:41] Voice 4: in support of a cell phone tower free on the island for so many reasons not just because

[1:01:48] Voice 4: they're ugly but because the result will be felt not to see and that's something that just goes out

[1:01:56] Voice 4: over time also um the idea i had that same thought because i know people who would have come but

[1:02:02] Voice 4: they're with their children today so um that's unfortunate that this that's just unfortunate so

[1:02:09] Voice 4: suggested and i want to just say there's people who have tirelessly researched and cared and put

[1:02:15] Voice 4: put so much energy into it and i know the the self-power issue and also the other issues are

[1:02:23] Voice 4: people are working really hard on behalf of the community and are kind of spreading their wings

[1:02:28] Voice 4: out to be in a protective mode for others that maybe are too busy have too much on their plate

[1:02:34] Voice 4: don't really understand don't know the effects the health effects don't know all the issues in

[1:02:42] Voice 4: the politics like it's over some people's heads but the people who for whom it isn't have spent

[1:02:48] Voice 4: a great amount of time to make these presentations and there was a big thing in i think 2016 when we

[1:02:54] Voice 4: said no to the tower back then the answer still seems to be no there's not really any benefits

[1:03:02] Voice 4: to the community i have a cell phone it works pretty much everywhere or maybe in certain areas

[1:03:08] Voice 4: i have to go on a short walk and it doesn't feel very good when i do use it um anyways but yeah

[1:03:15] Voice 4: i've been to some places in cities where like i'm walking down a certain street in vancouver and i'm

[1:03:21] Voice 4: like oh my god i feel like somebody wiped my brain it's blank and then i'm walking and then i see oh

[1:03:27] Voice 4: there's a building down way down at the end of the street with all those little rectangles on it

[1:03:32] Voice 4: just shooting down the street okay do we want to do that

[1:03:35] Voice 4: here to our wildlife you know to our

[1:03:38] Voice 4: Birds, eagles, kids, everything, and also kids, they don't really have any say-so in this.

[1:03:44] Voice 4: So we have to think for the future of our children, because this is all well-documented harm that came from the technology as it stands.

[1:03:54] Voice 4: I think better technologies are coming.

[1:03:56] Voice 4: Let's hold out for a real, true safety thing, because not everybody is like a plastic head in a room that they determine safety from.

[1:04:05] Voice 4: um yeah anyways everyone love you all for your work and all your consideration um sorry that's

[1:04:19] Voice 4: here i

[1:04:19] Voice 9: have a single question does island trust in any way have any potential input in our road

[1:04:31] Voice 9: state in our roads and i'm talking roads especially the ones that go uphill they are

[1:04:39] Voice 9: absolute nightmare for a car and for our brains

[1:04:44] Voice 4: well

[1:04:48] Voice 3: thank you uh um i would say the answer is

[1:04:52] Voice 3: very limited um we can we can write letters well email that's about it because i mean every

[1:05:01] Voice 9: the moment it went private i it dipped underground totally

[1:05:08] Voice 3: understand that

[1:05:09] Voice 3: there anyone that hasn't spoken yet that would like to speak yes I just want to

[1:05:19] Voice 4: say that all the years that microwave radiation has been available to human beings to use for telecommunications in our homes in our

[1:05:32] Voice 4: our environments it has been damaging nature period it has at every level our blood our cells

[1:05:46] Voice 4: the cells of plants everything microwave radiation is warfare weaponry it is barry

[1:05:54] Voice 4: Harry Trower is the world's most educated, outspoken individual.

[1:06:02] Voice 4: He's in his 90s.

[1:06:03] Voice 4: He spent every breath of his life educating people,

[1:06:07] Voice 4: educating us about what's happening with microwave radiation.

[1:06:11] Voice 4: It cannot be used.

[1:06:13] Voice 4: It is not safe.

[1:06:15] Voice 4: Nothing about it is safe.

[1:06:17] Voice 4: And the thing is that there is ways to probably have cell phones.

[1:06:24] Voice 4: There is ways to have this kind of communication, but we have to use different frequencies which are known.

[1:06:32] Voice 4: The answers are known already, but they've been oppressed because there is something on this planet that wants our population dropped,

[1:06:43] Voice 4: like tremendously, tremendously, and they're doing it in many different ways.

[1:06:49] Voice 4: so if we have our eyes open we can see on humanity right now there is an assault

[1:06:55] Voice 4: like i'm serious a very big assault and if we you know tune in tune into nature

[1:07:07] Voice 4: you know we have to we have to we have to take care we cannot keep you in this with panic

[1:07:14] Voice 4: microwaves are dangerous they are weapons bottom line cell phones you're carrying a weapon in your

[1:07:22] Voice 4: pocket we're giving them to our children our children are having trouble in schools

[1:07:27] Voice 4: their brains don't work the same way you know like we really have to pay attention and do

[1:07:35] Voice 4: something in the right direction cell towers not a good idea microwave ovens cook food

[1:07:50] Voice 3: I'm just going to point out that we're well into three times the allotted time that we

[1:07:56] Voice 3: have for speakers. So if there's somebody that hasn't spoken yet, that has something

[1:08:01] Voice 3: new to say, I'll do that. And then I want us to move on with the rest of our agenda.

[1:08:05] Voice 3: We have a delegation that we have been putting off for about a half an hour yet. So good

[1:08:13] Voice 3: in the back there.

[1:08:14] Voice 4: i think each person has something new to say because it's their own opinion but um where are

[1:08:19] Voice 4: all the people who support this i haven't heard one person in this room say they want this tower

[1:08:28] Voice 4: so if our trustees are supposed to be reflecting the community and what the community wants

[1:08:37] Voice 4: it's obvious you need to vote against the problem okay

[1:08:52] Voice 3: well thank you everybody um i think we will

[1:08:55] Voice 3: move on to the delegation section now um so stewart it's not you that's me okay and uh

[1:09:07] Voice 10: we've got 10 minutes i'll get you some time back and hopefully this is a less contentious issue

[1:09:14] Voice 10: shoot and sell towers. But yeah, so I represent Little Tribune Farm along with Nicole Cruz

[1:09:20] Voice 10: and I've got Rebecca Goldman from Lorraine and also speaking on behalf of Fossil Beach

[1:09:27] Voice 10: and 80 acres up on Central. And obviously we had a delegation last time, so this is

[1:09:35] Voice 10: really just a quick follow-up. High level, we just want clarity. Farm owners, we just

[1:09:42] Voice 10: want the local bylaws to reflect the ALR regulations clearly. We've spoken to Grant and

[1:09:52] Voice 10: we've all gone through the rules and regulations and it just requires a lot of guesswork right

[1:09:58] Voice 10: now. So we just want clear rules and one of the key issues for us is glamping and Ian you're here

[1:10:04] Voice 10: so I actually just wanted to refer to an email on the subject that you sent to Grant that was

[1:10:10] Voice 10: forwarded to me uh that just clarified that the alr use regulation allows for agritourism meaning

[1:10:18] Voice 10: certain activities directly related to agricultural use of the property including 10

[1:10:24] Voice 10: agritourism accommodation units that must be connected to the agritourism activities

[1:10:30] Voice 10: and so all of our mapping and all the properties that we're representing are all part of the

[1:10:36] Voice 10: the experience and you know we put in our letter and go through them but just you know the high

[1:10:43] Voice 10: level points around glamping is actually if done correctly a pretty low impact and a good way of

[1:10:50] Voice 10: bringing people to the island in a very short window and we're not taking up any kind of

[1:10:56] Voice 10: short-term vacation rental housing allocation so really that's it we just want clarity so we can

[1:11:03] Voice 10: keep investing in maintaining our farms because it's crucial as part of our income and we just

[1:11:08] Voice 10: want the ALR provincial ALR regulations to be reflected in our bylaws and that's really it so

[1:11:15] Voice 10: I'd like to also ask like what are the next steps because obviously this is our second delegation I

[1:11:19] Voice 10: don't want to like the cell tower people be years and years to come asking about the same thing so

[1:11:24] Voice 4: um

[1:11:25] Voice 10: that's it okay

[1:11:28] Voice 4: thank you for that um we

[1:11:34] Voice 3: do have reports and follow-up action list coming up so uh

[1:11:41] Voice 3: uh then our next section though is the minutes of december 13th for adoption anything on those

[1:11:49] Voice 3: minutes trustees yeah

[1:11:50] Voice 4: there's lots of names still

[1:11:52] Voice 4: um i don't know but

[1:11:55] Voice 7: i could just send that to

[1:11:56] Voice 7: yeah

[1:11:56] Voice 3: if it's if it's uh if it's that one if you send that to the minute taker and if it's

[1:12:03] Voice 3: substantive then then we can amend it yes but

[1:12:06] Voice 10: just in terms of the next steps do you actually

[1:12:08] Voice 10: like is there some response uh later in the meeting or can i use some of my

[1:12:15] Voice 3: we'll get um we do have our follow-up action list coming and and that would be where we'll

[1:12:22] Voice 3: get some reporting out from staff on the timelines of our projects right and is that a

[1:12:26] Voice 3: is that something you send out or is that part of this meeting that'll be part of this meeting

[1:12:31] Voice 3: and uh later in the agenda yeah not

[1:12:34] Voice 3: not very much question to the action

[1:12:37] Voice 3: okay um so anything substantive on the agenda that needs to be amended besides your names

[1:12:47] Voice 3: no okay so um we'll i'll take it uh by consent that the um trustee allen's gonna send their name

[1:12:57] Voice 3: corrections to the minute taker and then we will adopt the minutes as amended uh we have no

[1:13:06] Voice 3: resolution without meetings to report we have no abc uh minutes and so that brings us up to

[1:13:17] Voice 3: section 7.1 the follow-up action list report on page 17. so first i'll look to staff if there's

[1:13:28] Voice 3: anything you want to highlight and then i'll look to trustee for questions

[1:13:42] Voice 4: so through the

[1:13:48] Voice 10: chair uh the the status has been updated for the uh projects that are on the table

[1:13:57] Voice 10: the current projects and so if you need any questions we can take at this time with any

[1:14:03] Voice 10: of these items on the list.

[1:14:06] Voice 3: Trustee's questions regarding the follow-up action report.

[1:14:11] Voice 7: Well, I'm assuming we're talking about the Rogers later,

[1:14:14] Voice 7: so that's number one.

[1:14:17] Voice 7: So

[1:14:31] Voice 3: I'll just, in relation to the delegate here,

[1:14:36] Voice 3: I know that we've got,

[1:14:43] Voice 3: we have requested a special meeting to look at the housing,

[1:14:48] Voice 3: Mayor Mrakas, Regulation changes and, but I don't know what we have any any more update on timeline in terms of the

[1:14:56] Voice 10: OCP project so through the chair, this item on the agenda is is about the fall of action report on specifically and then the next the other item for the active projects is a little later in the.

[1:15:13] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas,

[1:15:13] Voice 3: Fair enough, so we're.

[1:15:15] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas,

[1:15:16] Voice 3: sure we like to do, if you want to.

[1:15:18] Voice 3: so we can get to a separate agenda well that's fine we'll get to it we'll get to that uh

[1:15:22] Voice 3: that's right in our reports there okay um we have a list on page 21 uh uh from i said

[1:15:44] Voice 3: and just look to trustees if there's any actions we'll desire them that at this time or we'll just

[1:15:51] Voice 3: continue to move on

[1:15:52] Voice 4: yes

[1:15:53] Voice 3: sir what

[1:15:56] Voice 4: i heard earlier could

[1:16:00] Voice 2: you speak up

[1:16:00] Voice 4: please i'm sure um it's page

[1:16:03] Voice 4: 21 of the yeah pardon speak

[1:16:06] Voice 9: up okay on page 21 we have a suggestion about consultation process

[1:16:14] Voice 9: for yourself so i'm going to suggest that if we send a letter to isaac requesting

[1:16:23] Voice 9: uh a consultation that the consultation process the date has been ineffective because there hasn't

[1:16:31] Voice 9: been a public proper meeting on hornby island and requesting a meeting between rogers the proponent

[1:16:39] Voice 4: on the island to fulfill that obligation if you want your input into the

[1:16:47] Voice 3: process that's the way

[1:16:48] Voice 3: you get it

[1:16:50] Voice 4: process should be stopped okay

[1:16:52] Voice 3: that's i'm sorry to interrupt this it's actually not a

[1:16:56] Voice 3: conversation back and forth okay i have some questions okay so

[1:17:01] Voice 10: i'm going to go to planner

[1:17:01] Voice 10: cox and then i'll come back yeah pardon through the chair i don't need to interrupt the dialogue

[1:17:06] Voice 10: but this could be a quick staff update on what we've learned so far if if that if yes please

[1:17:13] Voice 10: okay so um i'll be short this is a this is a memorandum on the agenda for those who don't

[1:17:18] Voice 10: have it in front of you um staff um on the ltc at the ltc's behest uh requested some info from

[1:17:26] Voice 10: we've been trying to get some info from isa for a little while on um clarity around the 120 day

[1:17:32] Voice 10: consultation um process in particular so this memorandum and the attached letter which you'll

[1:17:39] Voice 10: see on the agenda is um is a response that we got back from isa about this particular thing

[1:17:46] Voice 10: And the general thrust for the response is that if a local government, they call it LUA land use authority, so if a local government sets out a new or requests more consultation beyond the standard, then they have the ability to set a new timeline for that process.

[1:18:11] Voice 10: But if no timeline is set at that point, then it really what it's about is negotiation between the proponent and the local government.

[1:18:17] Voice 10: And so that's kind of the situation that the LTC finds itself in at the moment,

[1:18:22] Voice 10: is that no timeline was set at that time when when you requested as an LTC further consultation.

[1:18:30] Voice 10: And so that's that's a bit of the clarity on the timeline piece.

[1:18:33] Voice 10: So at the moment, it would be, you know, that the two parties would work together, pick up to some understanding about the consultation piece.

[1:18:43] Voice 10: And then maybe, can I just finish up the last little, and then, yes.

[1:18:50] Voice 10: And so where it sits at the moment is that staff reviewed about a week or so ago, two weeks ago,

[1:18:57] Voice 10: a new package for public consultation that was submitted by the proponent which they um they

[1:19:04] Voice 10: said the intent was to send it out on the 2nd of february which is today so that's the the expanded

[1:19:11] Voice 10: notification area which the ltc requested so um that the intent is that that would go up today

[1:19:20] Voice 10: day, according to the proponent. And then I can just say, so this is in the memo, if

[1:19:30] Voice 10: the LTC does have the ability to provide, like the proponent has not requested a letter

[1:19:40] Voice 10: of concurrence yet, because they've now entered into this new expanded consultation phase.

[1:19:47] Voice 10: case. The LTC does have the ability to provide a letter of non-concurrence at any time. However,

[1:19:58] Voice 10: they won't have received the new public consultation, the new input that the proponent says they're

[1:20:04] Voice 10: going to undertake. So there's that. And then if a local government does provide non-concurrence,

[1:20:14] Voice 10: then the proponent has the ability to go to ICED and request a hearing, basically, on the process.

[1:20:25] Voice 10: Whether that happens or not is unknown.

[1:20:29] Voice 3: So just a couple of points on that.

[1:20:33] Voice 3: Do we know the new notification that was apparently, I've heard it's already gone out,

[1:20:40] Voice 3: but today was their deadline for getting it out.

[1:20:42] Voice 3: But do we know if there's a timeline on that for responses and what that timeline is?

[1:20:49] Voice 10: There wasn't a time.

[1:20:50] Voice 10: So this is to the clarity that I said provided on this, because no timeline was specified when the LTC requested this for their consultation.

[1:21:00] Voice 9: There

[1:21:01] Voice 10: is no timeline.

[1:21:03] Voice 10: There's no specified timeline.

[1:21:05] Voice 10: So it would be something that the LTC needs to work on or stipulate.

[1:21:12] Voice 3: okay yeah i know i understand that but i was just wondering if if the new uh piece that went out had

[1:21:18] Voice 3: a place to respond by do you know what the date is march

[1:21:22] Voice 4: the 8th and we have more time after that

[1:21:25] Voice 4: okay um

[1:21:28] Voice 3: yeah it might be good to look at that because i don't know if anyone else has had a

[1:21:35] Voice 3: chance to look at that you

[1:21:36] Voice 4: want to have a look at it sure

[1:21:37] Voice 3: that'd be great um yeah a couple of things

[1:21:42] Voice 3: I noticed or just stood up to me in this report.

[1:21:48] Voice 3: We haven't done the provincial land referral yet.

[1:21:51] Voice 3: We haven't got a request from the proponent for concurrence,

[1:21:55] Voice 3: which makes sense because we did ask them

[1:21:57] Voice 3: to do this further thing that they've just done.

[1:22:01] Voice 3: And yes, and that we do have the,

[1:22:06] Voice 3: there is an ability to set a deadline.

[1:22:10] Voice 3: and i think uh if we are if we want to consider that we would probably want to take into account

[1:22:16] Voice 3: this new bit coming out and giving a deadline on march 8th i don't think we want to try and

[1:22:21] Voice 3: set a deadline that precedes that uh just my perspective greg ian

[1:22:31] Voice 4: can i ask you

[1:22:35] Voice 4: in what what would a letter of non-concurrence say uh

[1:22:43] Voice 2: uh

[1:22:45] Voice 10: through the chair i'm not sure that

[1:22:47] Voice 10: um we could i'm not sure we'd wordsmith right now but uh it would just be that the the um

[1:22:54] Voice 10: whatever the ltc wishes to convey to the applicants um in that in that it would just be that

[1:23:01] Voice 10: you know if it it's it's what the ltc would like to to convey so whether that's they don't agree

[1:23:10] Voice 10: on the citing or you know there would need to be reasons given whether that's um you know most

[1:23:18] Voice 10: Normally, that would be because a local government doesn't feel the siting is appropriate or something of that.

[1:23:24] Voice 9: Can we say we don't want to sell power at all?

[1:23:29] Voice 3: We can. I mean, functionally, we can say anything we want.

[1:23:33] Voice 3: However, because we're dealing with the federal regulator, if we want to successfully if we want the regulator to accept whatever,

[1:23:46] Voice 3: whatever, whether that's for or against, we need to have some rationale.

[1:23:51] Voice 3: I don't, ideally, if we're going to go through this process,

[1:23:59] Voice 3: hopefully it doesn't necessitate private citizens funding a federal court case.

[1:24:06] Voice 3: Right.

[1:24:07] Voice 3: So, you know, providing rationale that jobs with the regulators,

[1:24:14] Voice 3: regulator's accepted type of rationale would be important if that's what we're going to do

[1:24:19] Voice 3: what

[1:24:21] Voice 4: i understand is

[1:24:23] Voice 9: that we can

[1:24:25] Voice 9: advocate for

[1:24:27] Voice 4: or against the cell tower certainly

[1:24:29] Voice 4: but we cannot

[1:24:30] Voice 4: we have no we don't have the authority to absolutely stop it well the

[1:24:37] Voice 3: federal regulator

[1:24:40] Voice 3: regulator is is the arbiter here unless it has to go to a court so so what what the the concurrence

[1:24:50] Voice 3: or non-concurrence which is what i'm talking about that is you know if if if we're looking

[1:24:58] Voice 3: at concurrence that's no big deal because the regulator and the proponent of the tariff we're

[1:25:03] Voice 3: looking at non-concurrence it's important to make sure that we're backing it up with rationale that

[1:25:09] Voice 3: that they perceive as a reasonable and valid rationale.

[1:25:15] Voice 3: We use, if anything we try to use

[1:25:17] Voice 3: that the regulator doesn't accept as a valid rationale,

[1:25:23] Voice 3: will be disregarded.

[1:25:26] Voice 3: That's true.

[1:25:28] Voice 3: It's important that, like my perspective is

[1:25:31] Voice 3: that it's important if we're leaning

[1:25:35] Voice 3: towards a non-concurrence, that we do the non-concurrence

[1:25:39] Voice 3: and support it with as much rationale

[1:25:43] Voice 3: that kicks off their boxes in Ottawa at ISIN

[1:25:47] Voice 3: as we

[1:25:48] Voice 10: could possibly do.

[1:25:50] Voice 10: Exactly.

[1:25:53] Voice 3: However, even if we come up with the best rationale ever,

[1:25:58] Voice 3: that regulator makes the final decision.

[1:26:00] Voice 4: That's the

[1:26:01] Voice 4: point I want people to clearly understand

[1:26:05] Voice 4: because I think a lot of people in this room

[1:26:07] Voice 4: think we up here can stop the cell tower we can't no we know we can strongly you're not the only

[1:26:15] Voice 4: person okay

[1:26:17] Voice 3: but i think there's that's the point we just start everybody with their hands up

[1:26:22] Voice 3: the the public the public comment period was earlier we're not going to get into

[1:26:27] Voice 3: conversations back and forth at this point this is the time for the elected officials to discuss

[1:26:33] Voice 3: us and to debate and decide whether we're making any any action at this point today

[1:26:37] Voice 3: whether we're going to do something later or whether we even want some more information

[1:26:46] Voice 4: um can i sorry sorry go

[1:26:49] Voice 7: ahead alice well in that letter that you got that has changed

[1:26:54] Voice 7: there was going to be the first initial letter that sent out just you know that small area over

[1:27:01] Voice 7: there they were not going to have lighting tower there's no lighting and

[1:27:04] Voice 4: this is all about

[1:27:08] Voice 4: put it on a migratory bird bridge and and

[1:27:11] Voice 7: so that's this is brand new this whole thing this

[1:27:15] Voice 7: is like there's no there's no lighting for it so i don't understand why they sort of snuck that in

[1:27:20] Voice 7: it's the same process yeah but sorry so i'm confused why there's lighting on the lights

[1:27:28] Voice 7: in the tower where there never was before the proposal the initial proposal so i don't agree

[1:27:34] Voice 4: talk about it

[1:27:35] Voice 3: yeah and i just uh before we go further on that i just i i think i heard staff

[1:27:41] Voice 3: say that you haven't had a chance to look at what their latest main mail out is or so

[1:27:46] Voice 10: sure i yeah

[1:27:48] Voice 10: because i'm new in this role as the lcc planner uh the the previous planner had repeated so it's

[1:27:55] Voice 10: to take me by the time i didn't have a time time to review the newest package today okay for today

[1:28:01] Voice 10: but i can't do that i did want to mention that the only the risk so just to be clear in the

[1:28:06] Voice 10: staff's a not making a recommendation and b on the memo um that you have before you the the risk to

[1:28:13] Voice 10: the the the i think for clarity the risk to the ltc in providing non-concurrents before the cons

[1:28:24] Voice 10: this new expanded consultation process has wrapped up that the LTC requested

[1:28:28] Voice 10: is that the proponent could go to ISET and say, we want dispute resolution.

[1:28:34] Voice 10: It's unclear what would happen in that scenario, or if, or if,

[1:28:40] Voice 10: if, if that wouldn't even proceed, that's unclear,

[1:28:43] Voice 10: but they have the ability to do that. So I think just for information for the

[1:28:48] Voice 10: LTC, I think that that's,

[1:28:49] Voice 10: that's the risk to providing non-concurrence prior to seeing out this new consultation process which

[1:28:56] Voice 10: you requested yeah

[1:28:58] Voice 3: and thank you for that that's why i was wondering about the the date to reply by

[1:29:03] Voice 3: because um you know we we did ask for them to do this work and and i tend to agree i don't i

[1:29:11] Voice 3: think the regulator would take it amiss if we've asked for this work and then make a decision

[1:29:16] Voice 3: before that's been completed that's

[1:29:18] Voice 10: unclear just stop i

[1:29:19] Voice 3: don't i don't think it's an unreasonable

[1:29:21] Voice 3: assumption that you know we've asked for this further procedure and then we're not waiting for

[1:29:28] Voice 3: it to be complete that that seems like a pretty reasonable assumption uh trustee scott and then

[1:29:35] Voice 3: i'll come back to you sir through

[1:29:38] Voice 4: all the turmoil i'm going to stop there's one thing i thought all

[1:29:47] Voice 4: the way through is the best place to get our wording is when we get the referral from the

[1:29:53] Voice 4: province it comes that is where we have can go

[1:29:57] Voice 9: directly in the province and say

[1:30:00] Voice 9: say one way or the other and it's pretty clear what we would say there's so many points made

[1:30:07] Voice 9: we can point out that

[1:30:09] Voice 4: gives us that avenue to go to the province to get them to advocate

[1:30:14] Voice 4: on our part otherwise if we go through this icing you can see the complexity of where

[1:30:21] Voice 4: that

[1:30:21] Voice 9: ends up to Ottawa so when we get that referral on that piece of property we can

[1:30:30] Voice 9: say no because it's identified housing no because it's still too close to the communities no for

[1:30:36] Voice 9: this no for that no for the other thing before that all we can really argue about is the

[1:30:42] Voice 4: consultation process is that worth it that's my question that's the part that hangs in my head all

[1:30:50] Voice 4: the time when i get in the discussions is when's the best place for us as a community through the

[1:30:56] Voice 4: LTC to get our ore in the water.

[1:31:02] Voice 4: All right. So, Alex?

[1:31:04] Voice 7: Yeah, exactly.

[1:31:05] Voice 7: I'm going to follow up on exactly what Grant said.

[1:31:07] Voice 7: He said, if we jump the gun

[1:31:09] Voice 7: here,

[1:31:11] Voice 7: we ask for this, and then we're going to not wait

[1:31:13] Voice 7: for it, and then we're going to have to look down on

[1:31:15] Voice 7: concurrence. It's just,

[1:31:16] Voice 4: we're going to

[1:31:17] Voice 7: not look right. And they're going to

[1:31:19] Voice 7: have more of an

[1:31:21] Voice 7: argument to say, sorry, we're going to

[1:31:23] Voice 7: put the tower up. So, I think we have to just

[1:31:25] Voice 7: do this process properly.

[1:31:26] Voice 4: it's been 15 months since the process started

[1:31:29] Voice 7: yes it is but I've been thinking about it

[1:31:31] Voice 7: if we just could jump the gun

[1:31:33] Voice 7: we're the ones that asked for this extra

[1:31:35] Voice 7: process to expand it

[1:31:37] Voice 7: and so now they have

[1:31:38] Voice 7: and so they sent all the letters

[1:31:41] Voice 7: out and they have a timeline

[1:31:43] Voice 7: for it and if we suddenly

[1:31:45] Voice 7: say we don't even care about what

[1:31:47] Voice 7: this response is

[1:31:49] Voice 7: what's that going to look like? It's not going to look very good

[1:31:53] Voice 3: okay and then so

[1:31:55] Voice 3: Planner Cox

[1:31:56] Voice 3: in terms of this uh the memo here it's uh the summary of the of this latest round of uh

[1:32:06] Voice 3: public notification um uh so it says it should be provided the ltc prior to a request for concurrence

[1:32:17] Voice 3: and i just i don't expect that you will have a firm answer this but i'm just wondering if

[1:32:23] Voice 3: do you have any sense of when we might get that summary

[1:32:27] Voice 10: so the the march deadline for the you

[1:32:30] Voice 10: know the end of input would be when the performance um is supposed to gather all

[1:32:35] Voice 10: the input that they've received as part of that and then provide it to staff and we bring that

[1:32:39] Voice 10: to the ltc for consideration so march 5th was that the day we were eight since the deadline

[1:32:52] Voice 4: and

[1:32:54] Voice 3: then i'm just looking at our next tonight our next meeting isn't scheduled till april 26th

[1:33:01] Voice 3: regular meeting so it seems like they're pushing each time for for that process

[1:33:09] Voice 3: just uh i'm back like that for the rogers

[1:33:13] Voice 3: and made a summary well that there'd be something on that agenda

[1:33:19] Voice 9: because that's

[1:33:20] Voice 3: so a month and a half roughly okay i'm just trying to get a sense in my head around the time

[1:33:25] Voice 3: potential timelines of obviously we don't have anything our data on there uh grant but he is

[1:33:34] Voice 4: as i understand it rogers will collect

[1:33:39] Voice 9: all the data that happens march 8th days they will collect

[1:33:43] Voice 9: all that data they would put that in a referral they'd go to the province the province would then

[1:33:50] Voice 9: bring it back to us but what you said is rogers would bring that information directly back to us

[1:33:58] Voice 9: is that quite that great or wrong i

[1:34:02] Voice 10: believe i believe i i show through the chair i have to

[1:34:05] Voice 10: check on that that aspect of the process so it's either one i apologize i don't know that at the

[1:34:11] Voice 10: moment i'm just i'm stepping into this file as a staff member so i can i can check on that part

[1:34:16] Voice 10: of the process but either way it um either way it should come to the ltc as part of either of

[1:34:22] Voice 10: those processes my understanding uh without digging into having dug into it super deeply

[1:34:26] Voice 10: is that it should come to us before that but i can check it

[1:34:30] Voice 3: yeah i'll just say based on what

[1:34:32] Voice 3: But the previous round, and I don't know whether Rogers and their, you know, request of the province, I don't know what the province wants them to supply for that.

[1:34:47] Voice 3: But certainly the previous round, Rogers made a report to the local trust committee.

[1:34:53] Voice 3: So I don't see why they wouldn't in this case.

[1:34:56] Voice 10: So through the chair, it stands to reason, and I will check on that.

[1:35:00] Voice 10: it stands to reason that it should be provided to the ltc independently of the group of the

[1:35:04] Voice 10: revenue referral because the ltc is the one who requested this further consultation process

[1:35:09] Voice 10: yeah that makes sense are

[1:35:10] Voice 7: we able to ask the proponent to actually have an in-person public

[1:35:15] Voice 7: consultation with this particular final

[1:35:18] Voice 10: report so through the chair i think that i think the ltc

[1:35:22] Voice 10: could request that um that was done previously and it's my understanding that i haven't wanted

[1:35:28] Voice 10: to engage in that manner but it's possible for the lcc to request that again yeah i would tend

[1:35:37] Voice 3: to concur i think we've heard loud and clear from the proponent they're not interested in

[1:35:42] Voice 3: coming in person but that doesn't mean we can't ask yeah

[1:35:45] Voice 4: there's something i don't believe that

[1:35:48] Voice 4: yeah you know we clarify that because because that rogers take that stuff that they've done

[1:35:55] Voice 4: according to the purchase

[1:35:57] Voice 9: then they take that what they could do is take it to the province

[1:36:01] Voice 9: give us a copy of it and then they got it and then we would then send our objection or whatever

[1:36:08] Voice 9: to

[1:36:10] Voice 4: the province because they're asking for approval from them so that's

[1:36:13] Voice 4: our avenue right

[1:36:15] Voice 3: well there's and there's really there's two distinct processes right one is about the actual

[1:36:21] Voice 3: site that the province has to you know the province is in charge of that property

[1:36:28] Voice 3: provinces is going to bring a referral to the local trust committee about that use right and

[1:36:35] Voice 3: then the other one is about the proponent bringing us the the results of this last notification

[1:36:45] Voice 3: um so they're they may come at a similar time but they are two sort of different streams right

[1:36:52] Voice 3: Okay. And then, of course, I guess, yeah, and so you don't need any more specific direction in terms of finding out the information about when we might, if that sounds like you're, you'll

[1:37:11] Voice 10: just do that as a matter of course.

[1:37:13] Voice 10: Does the LCC need to want some sort of updated or formal report, or do you just give directions to stop to investigate?

[1:37:23] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:37:24] Voice 10: I just said

[1:37:24] Voice 3: that we're going to, we're going to get the summary from the proponent and obviously, I mean, we don't expect you to be able to come up with a date in the short term because you can't know how long the proponent will take.

[1:37:41] Voice 10: So I think Scott could add that to the, to the, to the follow up action list.

[1:37:45] Voice 10: Yeah, I'll do

[1:37:45] Voice 10: it that way. I think that's clear.

[1:37:47] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:37:47] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:37:48] Voice 10: Trustee Grant,

[1:37:49] Voice 9: Trustee Scott.

[1:37:51] Voice 9: don't care they're all last names ian i heard you say you were going to tell us

[1:37:57] Voice 9: our clarification on the process that

[1:38:01] Voice 4: process on what happens on march 8th

[1:38:07] Voice 4: what is rogers rogers has that information they've gathered

[1:38:13] Voice 4: march 8th is when we have to get back to rogers who nobody here that i know of is going to ever

[1:38:21] Voice 4: have anything to do with Rogers anymore so you know we're done so

[1:38:28] Voice 3: just in terms

[1:38:29] Voice 3: that's that's what I sort of turn out right here grant so if Rogers is saying

[1:38:35] Voice 3: please turn these in by March 8 then we could expect that they have they're

[1:38:41] Voice 3: going to compile them in some fashion we don't know how whether they're gonna

[1:38:46] Voice 3: have that done in a week or three weeks which we sort of don't um and that's why i was just looking

[1:38:54] Voice 3: at the times and the dates because i think it's conceivable that it might be that i might be all

[1:39:01] Voice 3: happy for our april 26th meeting because that's you know that's seven weeks um but it doesn't

[1:39:09] Voice 3: mean for

[1:39:09] Voice 10: sure we don't know that right so through the share that's it's theoretically possible that

[1:39:13] Voice 10: that could happen yeah the date that the consultation ends in the next meeting date

[1:39:17] Voice 10: but that doesn't really um because the ltc as as i we staff explained earlier because the ltc didn't

[1:39:23] Voice 10: set a new timeline for this consultation there is no there's no there's no assurance that we'd

[1:39:29] Voice 10: be done within a specific time frame so the the idea is that the ltc and the promoter work together

[1:39:37] Voice 10: other to you

[1:39:38] Voice 4: know we can't figure out the timeline i

[1:39:44] Voice 9: understand that but i think i'd

[1:39:47] Voice 9: like to better understand the process itself let's

[1:39:55] Voice 4: maybe we can talk about it later on for lunch or

[1:39:57] Voice 4: something

[1:39:57] Voice 7: are you talking about whether it goes to the province first and then the ltc well they

[1:40:03] Voice 3: are they are two different streams and i understand that quite well because if if the if the site

[1:40:08] Voice 3: proposal wasn't on provincial land then the province would have nothing to do with this

[1:40:13] Voice 3: process it's only because they want to use provincial land right if it was private land

[1:40:21] Voice 3: province wouldn't be involved it'd be the proponent isid and the local trust committee

[1:40:28] Voice 3: the prop the province is only involved because they want to cite it on

[1:40:31] Voice 3: richland now the other thing we don't know and maybe and i'm not sure that um

[1:40:37] Voice 3: Um, uh, I'm not sure how easy it might be to find this out, but, uh, in terms of what

[1:40:48] Voice 3: we might expect a referral from the province, um, certainly I've talked to a couple of community

[1:40:54] Voice 3: members that have expressed their, the community interests on that piece of property.

[1:40:59] Voice 3: I've encouraged them to, to bring whatever is possible to this committee so that if we

[1:41:05] Voice 3: give that referral um we can express those things to the province at that time uh i'm glad the

[1:41:13] Voice 3: province isn't it didn't get that to us today um because i don't feel like we have quite enough and

[1:41:18] Voice 3: then i'm also aware that there's uh community members that are um in in at least talking to

[1:41:26] Voice 3: the province about those community aspirations for the use of that land so i guess in an ideal

[1:41:33] Voice 3: world that that looks at what the community wants to do with the property um the province gets

[1:41:40] Voice 3: whatever application or whatever can be done from the community um before they come to us for

[1:41:47] Voice 3: this referral from

[1:41:49] Voice 4: the island right

[1:41:51] Voice 3: and then and then at that point then that gives that gives the

[1:41:55] Voice 3: local trust committee a little bit more to work with in terms of that referral from the province

[1:41:59] Voice 3: right and

[1:42:00] Voice 3: then the uh my understanding is that yes in terms if the province doesn't grant

[1:42:11] Voice 3: rogers the use of that land then that particular project is is not going to happen there that's

[1:42:20] Voice 9: that

[1:42:21] Voice 4: doesn't

[1:42:23] Voice 3: mean they can't pick a new spot sure but i believe that that means they have

[1:42:27] Voice 3: to start the process all over again we

[1:42:30] Voice 6: have well

[1:42:32] Voice 3: i believe the proponent has to start back at square

[1:42:34] Voice 3: one as soon as they move the location okay

[1:42:37] Voice 4: well

[1:42:40] Voice 3: we're well into our lunch time here so um i'd like

[1:42:43] Voice 3: this just to maybe conclude this uh if we think we can conclude this in the next couple of minutes

[1:42:49] Voice 3: and if not then we'll take a break and come back to it so how do you guys feel can

[1:42:53] Voice 7: i just ask one

[1:42:53] Voice 7: question would it be premature of us as a ldc to actually write letters to province right now

[1:42:58] Voice 7: saying that that land is being earmarked for housing cemetery expansion etc etc or should we

[1:43:07] Voice 7: wait and do it i mean would it not

[1:43:10] Voice 3: hurt i i don't i i actually don't know the the best answer to i

[1:43:16] Voice 3: mean i think that if it can be done prior to the prior to the referral getting to us i think that's

[1:43:24] Voice 3: great at the very least if we have that on hand for the referral response that would be important

[1:43:30] Voice 3: what i'm not really clear on is where the community groups are in terms of how um complete

[1:43:37] Voice 3: or not a proposal they have together and whether in fact that has gone to the province yet

[1:43:46] Voice 3: so if it's in the works i think what we might what we might consider doing is and i'm going

[1:43:53] Voice 3: to leave this to you as the local trustees is um i would say maybe the as soon as you get

[1:44:02] Voice 3: the word from um your the community here that that's ready to go off to the province

[1:44:09] Voice 3: uh we could uh agree to send a letter of support uh i think that might be might be good and we

[1:44:18] Voice 3: might actually consider prepping staff uh with a resolution to do that today um so that a letter's

[1:44:26] Voice 3: ready to go and we're ready to do that we'll think about that yes okay well we're going to

[1:44:34] Voice 12: take a quarter

[1:44:35] Voice 3: pass it's been quarter pass so we're going to take our break from now until

[1:44:40] Voice 3: quarter two and uh we'll come back we'll be on this item when we get back can

[1:44:51] Voice 4: you see the

[1:44:52] Voice 4: I don't know, I'd be curious.

[1:44:53] Voice 4: Well, great.

[1:44:54] Voice 2: You don't feel it?

[2:18:53] Voice 3: Right. Thank you, everyone. So we're back from our break. We were on Section 8.1.

[2:19:02] Voice 3: And I was wondering if there's anything further that trustees want to discuss or any action you want to take at this time before we move on in the agenda?

[2:19:12] Voice 3: I don't know what I was asking you.

[2:19:14] Voice 4: We're on page 26.

[2:19:22] Voice 4: I was asking for writing letters to the province regarding plans being earmarked.

[2:19:34] Voice 4: community housing cemetery et cetera necessary letter okay premature it's not in this point

[2:19:42] Voice 4: i think

[2:19:43] Voice 3: and uh maybe staff has some thoughts on this um i think what would be great is that

[2:19:50] Voice 3: uh it sounds like there's a community group on the verge of sending something off to the province

[2:20:00] Voice 3: and I think that a letter of support

[2:20:04] Voice 3: to go with that, I think that would be appropriate.

[2:20:08] Voice 7: Okay, and in actual fact, the individual who's running this show,

[2:20:13] Voice 7: she's in Victoria, she said she's going to meet with the relevant departments.

[2:20:17] Voice 3: Okay, and so, I mean, we could

[2:20:23] Voice 3: decide that we're going to support it on a

[2:20:27] Voice 3: plan today, or we could wait until we get a chance to hear back

[2:20:32] Voice 3: from her and and we could do a letter because i don't think it's possible am i correct or not that

[2:20:40] Voice 3: it's something we might be able to accomplish by resolution without meeting yes because we

[2:20:45] Voice 3: wouldn't have to talk about it we're all generally in support of

[2:20:48] Voice 9: that idea support of the letter

[2:20:50] Voice 3: of

[2:20:51] Voice 3: support for the community um wishes of the crown land yeah

[2:20:56] Voice 9: yeah

[2:20:57] Voice 3: so sure so as long as because we

[2:20:59] Voice 3: can't talk about it if we can't discuss it if we're doing it by resolution without meeting

[2:21:04] Voice 3: right but we can so i'm getting that it's not controversial we're all generally and

[2:21:09] Voice 3: it's not something we can do by resolution without you know okay this

[2:21:14] Voice 9: is that we support

[2:21:15] Voice 9: the community housing project on that piece of property

[2:21:18] Voice 3: yeah and then there's

[2:21:19] Voice 3: there's also a cemetery expansion project so if there's if they're going in as under different

[2:21:27] Voice 3: um applications or whatever then we could support any or all of them um haven't we already done that

[2:21:36] Voice 3: and and if we haven't then we can and i don't see that it

[2:21:40] Voice 4: wasn't ready yeah

[2:21:41] Voice 3: i don't see that

[2:21:42] Voice 3: it is any any problem so i'll leave it to you local trustees to give us the heads up

[2:21:49] Voice 3: when those are ready to go in and um and of course anyone in the community that's working on that

[2:21:57] Voice 3: talk to your trustees keep us keep keep us uh uh informed of when the right time is and would be

[2:22:03] Voice 3: sounds like we're happy to send 11 support

[2:22:09] Voice 3: okay so we're ready to move on to the next item please okay

[2:22:14] Voice 12: so next up is uh

[2:22:20] Voice 3: Now, under new business that was you

[2:22:33] Voice 4: have on that, or

[2:22:35] Voice 3: we are we're going to cover that.

[2:22:37] Voice 3: I would say so.

[2:22:47] Voice 3: We're going

[2:22:48] Voice 7: to address the almost First Nations in

[2:22:51] Voice 3: the active. Yeah, and then same with that.

[2:22:54] Voice 3: But

[2:22:54] Voice 7: I'm just wondering about the letter support to that.

[2:22:59] Voice 7: But I think I

[2:23:00] Voice 3: was going to, I was thinking we'd do that in when we get to the work program.

[2:23:06] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:23:10] Voice 12: I don't mind

[2:23:11] Voice 7: addressing what Kim figured and brought up with the child care as a new business, frankly.

[2:23:17] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:23:20] Voice 7: Tony and I discussed in previous terms, many times, that we really moved on.

[2:23:26] Voice 7: But, you know, that was a very good point.

[2:23:28] Voice 7: you're not seeing lots of young families at our meetings and because they're mostly Friday we

[2:23:34] Voice 7: should look at some sort of I'm not sure how many other trustee meetings actually have child care

[2:23:41] Voice 7: available but yeah we'd get more participation I think and just wondering whether we could discuss

[2:23:49] Voice 7: it so

[2:23:51] Voice 3: I think what would be important just off the top of my head is to if we're looking at the

[2:23:59] Voice 3: the ltc funding that um whether we're allowed to spend ltc funds in that regard um that's important

[2:24:09] Voice 3: for us to know and then we'd also want to know like at least get a decent ballpark on what it

[2:24:15] Voice 3: would cost if we are allowed to spend funds in that way um and then i think we could take the

[2:24:21] Voice 3: discussion from there so it

[2:24:25] Voice 7: doesn't really have to go today we could just have i could pass a

[2:24:29] Voice 7: motion does that stuff explore that or is it necessary or you can just go on right now

[2:24:37] Voice 10: oh it's through the chair i think i think it would be good to pass a resolution to that because it

[2:24:42] Voice 10: doesn't involve budget so it would be a light item eventually if that so i think probably directing

[2:24:47] Voice 10: staff to investigate um possibility of using um let's see uh allocating budget whatever the

[2:24:56] Voice 10: resolution looks like i thought we would please

[2:25:01] Voice 11: okay and

[2:25:03] Voice 3: if you want to if you want um trustee

[2:25:07] Voice 3: allen i'm totally fine with scrapping the notes and then you can come back to them later that's

[2:25:11] Voice 3: fine by me or if you have one ready that's fine too um

[2:25:15] Voice 7: i moved at the horny island local trust

[2:25:18] Voice 7: committee asked staff to explore funding for babysitting or funding for child care during

[2:25:29] Voice 7: trust meetings

[2:25:31] Voice 7: do I have to go beyond where

[2:25:36] Voice 7: there's the space

[2:25:37] Voice 10: that's available

[2:25:38] Voice 10: from the start

[2:25:38] Voice 10: it is I think we want some sort of

[2:25:41] Voice 10: deliverable or something like that

[2:25:43] Voice 10: does the

[2:25:44] Voice 10: report back

[2:25:45] Voice 9: at

[2:25:45] Voice 10: the next

[2:25:48] Voice 10: March 6th

[2:25:50] Voice 10: April 6th

[2:25:52] Voice 10: the next possible opportunity

[2:25:53] Voice 10: the next possible opportunity

[2:25:55] Voice 10: Catherine

[2:25:58] Voice 7: did you get that

[2:26:01] Voice 4: Hello.

[2:26:03] Voice 5: I have that the Hornbeot and Local Trust Committee asked staff to explore funding for child care during local trust meetings for next possible opportunity.

[2:26:22] Voice 3: And report back for the next possible opportunity.

[2:26:28] Voice 5: And report back.

[2:26:34] Voice 3: Does that sound good?

[2:26:35] Voice 7: Yes, thank you.

[2:26:36] Voice 3: All right. So moved. Do I have a seconder?

[2:26:38] Voice 3: seconded by trustee scott any further discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all in favor

[2:26:45] Voice 3: and the motion carries thank you trustees okay

[2:26:52] Voice 12: so hello chair uh

[2:26:55] Voice 12: we have yes i

[2:26:58] Voice 5: just had a quick

[2:26:59] Voice 5: question um for the new business i have that cbrd business license licensing was put under new

[2:27:08] Voice 5: new business for the agenda was I just wondered if

[2:27:13] Voice 3: you're right um so I have a motion I move that

[2:27:20] Voice 3: the local the Hornby Island local trust committee uh request staff to send a letter to the CVRD

[2:27:30] Voice 3: director in support of funding for feasibility study concerning business licensing or short-term

[2:27:49] Voice 3: vacation rentals on Hornby Island

[2:27:59] Voice 4: yes

[2:28:08] Voice 5: I do you want me to read that please that the Hornby Island

[2:28:13] Voice 5: local trust committee requests staff to send a letter to the Comox Valley regional district

[2:28:20] Voice 5: district director in support of funding for a feasibility study concerning business licensing

[2:28:27] Voice 5: for short-term vacation rentals on Hornby Island yeah

[2:28:33] Voice 3: and Daniel did you say you needed that by

[2:28:35] Voice 3: Tuesday

[2:28:36] Voice 7: ideally

[2:28:38] Voice 3: ideally by what is that going to be I can't count today

[2:28:50] Voice 3: by february 6 if possible let's say okay then uh so grant you second that and any further

[2:29:06] Voice 3: discussion but

[2:29:07] Voice 7: if it doesn't get out by february 6 it's still you're still gonna okay

[2:29:12] Voice 3: and also i i

[2:29:15] Voice 3: spoke to director arbor and i'm also just going to individually send a letter um so that if we

[2:29:23] Voice 3: don't have a staff letter in time he at least can point to the letter from me okay uh so any further

[2:29:31] Voice 3: discussion i'll call the question all in favor and motion carries thank you very much okay now on to

[2:29:41] Voice 3: uh you have an applications report of page 24. uh anything from staff on any of these today

[2:29:52] Voice 10: Chair Norton, not in particular, unless any of the trustees have questions about specific applications.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: Wonderful. Trustees, any questions about the applications report?

[2:30:07] Voice 4: Well, you were going to bring up the water, Mrs.

[2:30:14] Voice 4: And I was going to refuse myself.

[2:30:20] Voice 4: Oh, I'm sorry.

[2:30:24] Voice 10: Well, I didn't come around for the lecture.

[2:30:26] Voice 10: Yeah, so through the chair, Trustee, we, the,

[2:30:36] Voice 10: So the LTC approved a TEP, a temporary permit for commercial water sales at the co-op in 2020.

[2:30:48] Voice 10: One of the conditions of that permit was a receipt of a water license from the province for that use,

[2:30:57] Voice 10: which was never received, and thus that permit has never actually been issued.

[2:31:01] Voice 10: In the meantime, however, staff, under the understanding that really, probably the LTC's

[2:31:10] Voice 10: jurisdiction, like it's, we wouldn't necessarily be recommending withholding an LTC permit

[2:31:19] Voice 10: for another government body's authorization, like, or at least in certain cases, at least

[2:31:25] Voice 10: certainly not with this, with this, this water piece, I think.

[2:31:28] Voice 10: So one thing is that we've understood is that eventually the province will be reviewing that license and it would be received,

[2:31:40] Voice 10: at which time that permit could just be issued as is with that condition remaining the same.

[2:31:46] Voice 10: Or if there was some other issue, we could bring that back to the LTC to either modify that condition or what have you and issue the permit at a meeting.

[2:31:58] Voice 10: But as it stands right now, there isn't, I don't think there's really a need for any action at this time.

[2:32:08] Voice 10: So that's something that I think staff can just look into.

[2:32:11] Voice 10: But that's the update on that file.

[2:32:14] Voice 10: Is that clear?

[2:32:16] Voice 10: I

[2:32:17] Voice 4: just want to add that I

[2:32:19] Voice 7: had applied for the water

[2:32:20] Voice 7: license way, right at the very, very beginning.

[2:32:23] Voice 7: And way ahead of everybody else.

[2:32:25] Voice 7: And then they extended it.

[2:32:26] Voice 7: And then my application got lost.

[2:32:28] Voice 7: lawsuit. I didn't actually approve

[2:32:30] Voice 7: it, but I didn't get anything, and so then the guy

[2:32:31] Voice 7: quit, left, moved on, and so

[2:32:33] Voice 7: I just needed one month, at least, so

[2:32:37] Voice 4: I wonder

[2:32:38] Voice 4: what's going on in God.

[2:32:39] Voice 4: So they are going to issue it. It's just

[2:32:41] Voice 4: they're waiting

[2:32:43] Voice 7: on it, apparently.

[2:32:44] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:32:46] Voice 3: So no further action required

[2:32:48] Voice 3: today.

[2:32:51] Voice 3: That takes us to page

[2:32:53] Voice 3: 28,

[2:32:55] Voice 3: Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions.

[2:32:59] Voice 3: And I noticed on as item seven on page 31 is a standing resolution regarding the restaurant expansion during the COVID emergency response.

[2:33:14] Voice 3: And I'm wondering if that's still relevant.

[2:33:16] Voice 3: Is that something we need to have on our standing resolutions list?

[2:33:19] Voice 3: Do we care?

[2:33:20] Voice 3: Can we leave it?

[2:33:21] Voice 3: Should we remove it?

[2:33:24] Voice 3: Thoughts?

[2:33:25] Voice 4: I thought they had to be there no matter what.

[2:33:27] Voice 4: That's what I'm saying.

[2:33:29] Voice 4: I'm sorry, Kim, were you?

[2:33:31] Voice 3: page 31.

[2:33:35] Voice 4: Number 7.

[2:33:37] Voice 4: It

[2:33:37] Voice 3: just strikes me as I'm not

[2:33:39] Voice 3: sure if it's relevant.

[2:33:41] Voice 3: We don't have to remove it.

[2:33:42] Voice 4: No, no, it should be removed.

[2:33:46] Voice 4: Was staff

[2:33:47] Voice 4: got to remove the code?

[2:33:48] Voice 10: Yeah, through the chair.

[2:33:49] Voice 10: The LCRB is

[2:33:52] Voice 10: pulling back on those now

[2:33:56] Voice 10: after the

[2:33:56] Voice 10: measures that they

[2:33:59] Voice 10: you know, after the

[2:34:02] Voice 10: I'm not sure that

[2:34:03] Voice 10: it needs really any action okay necessarily um i mean it could be um staff could look into that a

[2:34:09] Voice 10: bit more i suppose it could be resentment but it's it's it's our understanding that um that

[2:34:15] Voice 10: they're not issuing those expanded licenses for patios and not because that was a covid measure

[2:34:21] Voice 10: so that's our that's our understanding sure and so maybe just uh so this resolution is just saying

[2:34:28] Voice 10: that the local trust committee doesn't have any issue with them doing that but they are no longer

[2:34:33] Voice 10: doing that right because

[2:34:34] Voice 10: that's not something that they're doing

[2:34:35] Voice 3: anymore and i and i was mainly

[2:34:39] Voice 3: just thinking of the sort of tidying aspect but uh we can we can leave that for now just maybe

[2:34:46] Voice 3: something to look at later anything on the yes yeah

[2:34:49] Voice 7: just like you know in terms of our number

[2:34:51] Voice 7: five the first nation's relationship building it's quite funny that 2019

[2:34:55] Voice 4: here we are um finally

[2:35:00] Voice 4: getting to it and

[2:35:01] Voice 7: it's kind of funny that i

[2:35:03] Voice 7: don't even know whether we've been doing all of these

[2:35:08] Voice 3: the actions standing around solution five yeah

[2:35:10] Voice 7: and i'm not sure manually

[2:35:12] Voice 3: writing a letter

[2:35:15] Voice 3: yeah um and all that and

[2:35:18] Voice 7: i think we got to address that tie that in with our

[2:35:22] Voice 3: yeah i think that makes sense and i know that um uh the way things have been done

[2:35:30] Voice 3: up to you know today has has been those those letters have been coming up from

[2:35:37] Voice 3: trust area services staff i know that last year there was staffing deficiencies and it took quite

[2:35:45] Voice 3: a long time for those initial letters to get out and the thing that occurs to me as i'm looking

[2:35:51] Voice 3: at this and probably is true for all the local trust areas is i think another um reasonable

[2:35:58] Voice 3: reasonable time to consider writing a letter is uh within say a month or two of abandoned

[2:36:04] Voice 3: Council elections which I know there was a bunch of in January um and I think that you know that's

[2:36:11] Voice 3: something to to look into whether again whether we need to deal with that today or not it's a

[2:36:17] Voice 3: different question I guess but uh

[2:36:22] Voice 10: yes so I just add to that staff is actively um engaging with

[2:36:27] Voice 10: with in this local trust area, Comox First Nation,

[2:36:31] Voice 10: and the way that the LTC could action this stuff,

[2:36:34] Voice 10: this reconciliation is through projects

[2:36:37] Voice 10: and through sort of day-to-day business as well,

[2:36:42] Voice 10: as well as just this sort of ad vis-a-vis, if you will,

[2:36:46] Voice 10: letter writing and so forth.

[2:36:47] Voice 10: And that'll be an update from the regional planning manager

[2:36:51] Voice 10: about stuff is actively meeting with Comox on this.

[2:36:58] Voice 4: number okay

[2:36:58] Voice 3: and i know

[2:37:00] Voice 3: i know that we've got a uh first nations uh relationship building

[2:37:05] Voice 3: a verbal update coming up uh at item 12.6 uh okay so if there's nothing further on this section

[2:37:15] Voice 3: i think

[2:37:16] Voice 4: number eight it says for me i defer uh enforcement of uh

[2:37:26] Voice 4: year-round unlawful housing. It says till December

[2:37:33] Voice 4: 31st, 2021. What I see that is a lot of

[2:37:37] Voice 4: people that are living in very dire

[2:37:41] Voice 4: circumstances might have permanent living there.

[2:37:46] Voice 4: I think we should change December 31st

[2:37:50] Voice 4: until further notice.

[2:37:54] Voice 7: I actually did. I changed the motion and we changed it in last meeting.

[2:37:58] Voice 7: and if you look at number one i'm

[2:38:02] Voice 4: looking i'm looking at eight this is the one next

[2:38:04] Voice 4: table well then we should and it's already covered somewhere else we should eliminate

[2:38:17] Voice 2: i had i changed we

[2:38:25] Voice 7: just passed that motion sorry

[2:38:26] Voice 10: it's not here i think where it is so through the

[2:38:27] Voice 10: church yes it is number one um and it was it was the wrong date

[2:38:31] Voice 10: that was in january

[2:38:33] Voice 10: um and that extended the deadline for that so

[2:38:37] Voice 7: there's a wrong day on it then

[2:38:39] Voice 7: it says 2017.

[2:38:41] Voice 3: yeah that's why i can i'm just i'm just looking at it in the most sorry 2017. uh

[2:38:47] Voice 3: the motions contained in the in on page uh 14 of the minutes of the previous meeting so that

[2:38:57] Voice 7: date is should be january 27th 2020 or should it not that's why so

[2:39:03] Voice 10: that's a correction to the

[2:39:05] Voice 10: standing resolution well

[2:39:06] Voice 4: no you've got the emotion that's completely different from what's here

[2:39:13] Voice 3: it's not here and to allow the ltc to address housing in a way that did not need to be

[2:39:23] Voice 3: renewed yeah because the motion the motion for the standing resolution doesn't have the one you

[2:39:32] Voice 3: we passed doesn't have a date attached to it as a as a as a deadline or an end time for that

[2:39:39] Voice 3: resolution but i thought it was going to be put into

[2:39:42] Voice 7: here in the standing resolution because i

[2:39:44] Voice 7: changed it from having specific addresses to address yeah

[2:39:48] Voice 3: both previous resolutions uh 21054

[2:39:54] Voice 3: and 2021.054 and to basically restate it without an end date on it this is what the motion seems

[2:40:05] Voice 3: to say to me that's

[2:40:06] Voice 7: right so why is it not in here so

[2:40:09] Voice 10: soft we'll look into that error

[2:40:10] Voice 10: error and correct it okay great so that's

[2:40:14] Voice 11: one of the addresses you

[2:40:15] Voice 10: don't need any specific

[2:40:16] Voice 10: direction

[2:40:16] Voice 11: for that just do that as

[2:40:18] Voice 4: a matter of

[2:40:18] Voice 11: course correct excellent okay yes

[2:40:20] Voice 4: but did these

[2:40:22] Voice 4: three properties cover that's an old

[2:40:25] Voice 7: standing resolution which changed in december

[2:40:28] Voice 7: i'm sorry

[2:40:29] Voice 4: just so this is all wrong yeah i see yeah

[2:40:33] Voice 3: then and what i'm hearing is staff will just update the

[2:40:36] Voice 3: that report um as a matter of course we don't need to provide extra direction today

[2:40:42] Voice 3: let us

[2:40:43] Voice 4: clarify that we don't want by law enforcement to go shutting down the people

[2:40:54] Voice 4: that are living on those you know recreation vehicles and all those other things that they

[2:41:01] Voice 4: have nowhere else to go yeah that's not

[2:41:04] Voice 4: true so that's

[2:41:05] Voice 4: i mean that's the

[2:41:06] Voice 3: intent of the motions

[2:41:07] Voice 3: that were in place before they just had a deadline of an end time and that's why we had specific

[2:41:12] Voice 4: properties well

[2:41:15] Voice 3: there's a specific properties when there's also a more general one

[2:41:21] Voice 4: all right as long as it's i think that's the last thing you want to see yeah

[2:41:31] Voice 4: okay okay

[2:41:33] Voice 12: then so anything on the

[2:41:38] Voice 3: local trust committee web page

[2:41:45] Voice 3: nothing yet no something that's about to

[2:41:48] Voice 4: break up the

[2:41:49] Voice 9: APC

[2:41:53] Voice 4: some of the members you should reappoint them a couple of them your terms are still good I think

[2:42:01] Voice 4: a couple of them have collapsed anything on that staff could you take a look at that did you see

[2:42:12] Voice 4: yep yep

[2:42:13] Voice 10: stop and take a look at the dots no matter pbc appointments okay and make sure

[2:42:20] Voice 3: all right so before i let it uh disappear from our uh work today anything at

[2:42:34] Voice 1: all on the trust

[2:42:35] Voice 3: committee web page comments concerns okay uh that brings us to uh item 12.6 first nations

[2:42:46] Voice 3: relationship building update purple and i believe that is that's regional planning manager camera

[2:42:54] Voice 10: yeah so the um the rpm since uh jammer since her uh apologies that she couldn't be here in

[2:43:01] Voice 10: person. So I'm just going to pass on what she had to say. This is to read. RBM, I apologize for not

[2:43:11] Voice 10: being able to attend the meeting. Staff met virtually with KFN Chief Counsel and staff on

[2:43:17] Voice 10: January 18th of this year. Island Trust staff shared a brief update on planning projects for

[2:43:24] Voice 10: for Hornby, Denman, and Leskete Islands,

[2:43:28] Voice 10: and major work happening now for Islands Trust Conservancy

[2:43:32] Voice 10: and Trust Area Services, the policy statement review,

[2:43:37] Voice 10: et cetera.

[2:43:38] Voice 10: Staff also took, Islands Trust staff, that is,

[2:43:41] Voice 10: also took the opportunity to ask Comox

[2:43:45] Voice 10: if they were interested in these projects.

[2:43:49] Voice 10: They've indicated that they are interested

[2:43:50] Voice 10: in participating in the Denman and Hornby,

[2:43:54] Voice 10: generally and in the policy statement work.

[2:43:57] Voice 10: So we're now working staff to staff together

[2:44:00] Voice 10: to set up working relationships

[2:44:02] Voice 10: discussions on those projects.

[2:44:04] Voice 10: This relates to the active projects of the Hornby LTC,

[2:44:08] Voice 10: for example, using capacity funding

[2:44:12] Voice 10: that's supported through project budgets for that.

[2:44:16] Voice 10: Future updates on this process will happen

[2:44:19] Voice 10: through the Island Planners major project reporting.

[2:44:23] Voice 10: So one of those things right now is the OCP by-law review, and staff's working really closely.

[2:44:32] Voice 10: Planner Supernets is working closely. She was on that meeting. I was not there.

[2:44:36] Voice 10: A staff member, Renée Jamaret, Planning Manager in Science and Business, were there.

[2:44:43] Voice 10: And their discussions are good. So they had a good discussion.

[2:44:49] Voice 10: what else do i have here for you um i i'm the first staff who attended where yeah director

[2:44:55] Voice 10: claire freighter of trust area services um rpm jamrat as i mentioned son zubinets island planner

[2:45:01] Voice 10: and the acting senior policy advisor at the moment for the trust who's mary stoddard

[2:45:06] Voice 10: please don't hesitate to reach out to rpm jamrat if you have questions or for more information

[2:45:15] Voice 10: about that meeting with

[2:45:17] Voice 10: KFN. And that's the end

[2:45:21] Voice 10: of Renu's update.

[2:45:25] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:45:26] Voice 10: Questions?

[2:45:29] Voice 7: I actually would like to make a motion

[2:45:30] Voice 7: because I had a discussion with a staff member

[2:45:32] Voice 7: regarding, and also a member of the

[2:45:34] Voice 7: financial committee,

[2:45:37] Voice 7: and $24,000

[2:45:38] Voice 7: is a lot of money.

[2:45:40] Voice 7: And basically KFN has already

[2:45:44] Voice 7: accepted the first

[2:45:45] Voice 7: $12,000.

[2:45:47] Voice 7: So because of the fact that

[2:45:51] Voice 7: there's three other islands that are working on first nations relationship building we're

[2:45:57] Voice 7: kind of taking a big chunk of it even though it's uh it's actually a capacity funding grant

[2:46:02] Voice 7: so i would like to say that i have concerns that we shouldn't have that take that much money

[2:46:08] Voice 2: and so

[2:46:09] Voice 7: i would like to mean that we changed and moved that the hornby island local trust committee

[2:46:15] Voice 7: to change next year's business case for the KFN pilot project from $12,000 to $2,000.

[2:46:26] Voice 7: Especially the fact, and I'll speak to it, is that we're not even sure where we're going

[2:46:32] Voice 7: with this.

[2:46:32] Voice 7: It could be just a matter of just sitting down and eating a meal together or even going

[2:46:37] Voice 7: on a boat on the island or something.

[2:46:40] Voice 7: And then emphasize that it's on relational aspects.

[2:46:46] Voice 7: aspects so relational i think that's an interesting word um which basically means meetings

[2:46:56] Voice 7: and not really any big activities so i just don't think um yeah twelve thousand dollars is way too

[2:47:04] Voice 7: much and we need to share that with other of them so i just feel that we've got twelve thousands

[2:47:09] Voice 7: for the first year they say it could be one to five years go into the next term so there's so

[2:47:16] Voice 7: so many unknowns so why not just have 2 000 for next year child

[2:47:21] Voice 4: care well

[2:47:23] Voice 7: that's going to be

[2:47:24] Voice 7: explored too yeah okay

[2:47:26] Voice 3: so uh moved and i'll just check with our recorder that you've got that

[2:47:31] Voice 3: catherine yes i

[2:47:34] Voice 5: think so that the hornby island local trust committee change next year's business

[2:47:39] Voice 5: case of the first nations relationship building project from twelve thousand dollars to two

[2:47:45] Voice 5: thousand dollars yes

[2:47:47] Voice 7: okay

[2:47:50] Voice 3: um so luke and you have a second seconded any further discussion

[2:48:02] Voice 3: from neither of you yeah i i guess my only uh consideration is that i would want to check in

[2:48:09] Voice 3: with staff and um make sure that we're not uh cutting funding to a level that makes the work

[2:48:17] Voice 3: more difficult or unachievable yeah

[2:48:21] Voice 10: so through the chair this is not something that i've been

[2:48:26] Voice 10: involved with as a staff member so far what i understand from um from from our colleagues

[2:48:32] Voice 10: sonia and ray this is you know um things are going pretty well and and it's a bit delicate

[2:48:40] Voice 10: and um i would be i can't i can't properly provide staff opinion on this because i wasn't at those

[2:48:49] Voice 10: those meetings and I'm not I'm not super involved but I would I think I think I'd be comfortable

[2:48:54] Voice 10: cautioning as with prior to discussing that with senior planner with with rpm jammer and the senior

[2:49:03] Voice 10: planner I I caution making a sudden move on that um but I I don't think it's my position right now

[2:49:10] Voice 10: to make any type of other recommendation to the LTC but I would say that yeah

[2:49:16] Voice 4: I think the point

[2:49:17] Voice 4: there's more money you go back and get more money but why allocate money we don't know what

[2:49:23] Voice 4: that we don't know what it's for it doesn't make any sense how does the elephant being

[2:49:27] Voice 4: well

[2:49:28] Voice 7: also the fact that this is capacity building so you know how many first nations do we have in

[2:49:35] Voice 7: an island's trust area a lot so if we're going to give twelve thousand dollars to every single

[2:49:40] Voice 7: common first every single first nations we're not going to have anything so if that's setting

[2:49:45] Voice 7: in precedence that combs first nations gets 12 000 this year and 12 000 the next year what about the

[2:49:51] Voice 7: rest of the first nations we're not going to afford this well

[2:49:54] Voice 3: we certainly have more first

[2:49:55] Voice 3: nations uh in this trust area then then uh could we could afford those monies to do that um i guess

[2:50:04] Voice 3: sort of express my concern is just that uh and i wonder if um if it's reasonable to consider uh

[2:50:14] Voice 3: uh amending the motion um to you know pending pending feedback from um the regional planning

[2:50:27] Voice 3: manager um because as i say my only concern is if they have things in motion um i don't want to

[2:50:36] Voice 3: you know i don't want to cut the feed out from under them well and

[2:50:39] Voice 3: then my only other thing i

[2:50:41] Voice 3: would say is as you know being a member of financial planning committee i know it came up

[2:50:46] Voice 3: um uh in discussion there um but i would just advise that uh uh contrary to um trustee scott's

[2:50:57] Voice 3: uh notion there it's actually much much more difficult to get money put back into a project

[2:51:03] Voice 3: after the budget spend improved than to have it removed so that would be my caution if if staff

[2:51:13] Voice 3: feels that that you know a significant portion of that of what's budgeted is going as they have

[2:51:19] Voice 3: plans to to spend it to further these goals this year then i'm not i wouldn't be in support of

[2:51:25] Voice 3: taking the money away and if we find that we're not going to use it then it can be reallocated

[2:51:33] Voice 3: to another ltc so i'm just

[2:51:37] Voice 3: cautioning that before we resolve to reduce the funding that maybe we

[2:51:42] Voice 3: want to check in with those senior staff members and make sure we're not half right what we've

[2:51:48] Voice 3: stated our intent was yes i'd

[2:51:50] Voice 4: like to suggest we have a motion to say subject to staff not

[2:51:57] Voice 4: approving my advice

[2:51:59] Voice 3: subject to staff advice

[2:52:01] Voice 4: subject to staff suggesting whether there's

[2:52:05] Voice 4: already allocated needs for that money something like that if they've already got it spent as you

[2:52:12] Voice 4: what you're saying because they've already got things in mind to spend their money for

[2:52:20] Voice 7: well there's another question basically sonia offered them 12 000 and they accepted it

[2:52:25] Voice 7: but there hasn't been a direction where that money's going so

[2:52:32] Voice 3: yeah and of course in the

[2:52:34] Voice 3: absence of those staff members to ask more questions it's uh it's difficult of course

[2:52:43] Voice 3: and our next regular business meeting is is not until after the finalization of the budget at

[2:52:48] Voice 3: trust council in the middle of march um so i mean i'd sort of go back to what i was saying earlier

[2:52:56] Voice 3: if if if we don't spend that grant money on this project it will go back into the first nations

[2:53:07] Voice 3: um relationship building pool essentially for other local trust committees

[2:53:14] Voice 3: um so i don't think there's any it's not like a because it's not a regular budgeted item

[2:53:20] Voice 3: it's not going to go back into the into the reserve it would go back into the to the pool

[2:53:27] Voice 3: it came from which is that grant money from the province specifically to do with first

[2:53:32] Voice 3: nations relationships so i don't think there's a lot of let's

[2:53:36] Voice 7: just leave it i

[2:53:36] Voice 3: don't think there's

[2:53:37] Voice 3: jeopardy so

[2:53:38] Voice 7: should we just not do a thing i

[2:53:41] Voice 3: mean we can certainly ask for we could

[2:53:46] Voice 3: i don't think there's anything wrong with um checking into the staff but the staff that we

[2:53:53] Voice 3: need to talk to of course aren't here today so yeah

[2:53:55] Voice 7: so should we do it should we pull back on

[2:53:59] Voice 7: that motion to make a new one regarding i think seeing staff because i'm into money

[2:54:07] Voice 7: money budgeted further from the island

[2:54:12] Voice 7: We don't spend it it

[2:54:16] Voice 3: will still stay in into into that trust project so um no we do have

[2:54:22] Voice 3: a motion that's moved and seconded is that correct Catherine?

[2:54:27] Voice 5: Yes we have Trustee Allen's original

[2:54:31] Voice 5: motion and then I added Trustee Scott's addition which was subject to staff previous allocation of

[2:54:40] Voice 5: of funds, which I stuck on to Trustee Allen's original motion.

[2:54:47] Voice 3: Okay, and did we have a seconder?

[2:54:52] Voice 5: I can't remember.

[2:54:54] Voice 3: Okay, because if the motion wasn't seconded,

[2:54:56] Voice 3: then we don't have to do anything, we can just let it die.

[2:54:59] Voice 3: If it was seconded, then we would have to vote it down.

[2:55:02] Voice 3: So I'm going

[2:55:02] Voice 3: to just say, yes, sir.

[2:55:04] Voice 10: Before the LCC makes any decision here,

[2:55:06] Voice 10: planner supernets is actually on the line.

[2:55:08] Voice 10: Oh, fantastic.

[2:55:11] Voice 10: fantastic well

[2:55:12] Voice 3: that's great um so welcome planners uh i don't know how much of the conversation

[2:55:19] Voice 3: uh you thought but if

[2:55:22] Voice 1: you have any i have been listening yes thank you

[2:55:24] Voice 3: okay so can

[2:55:27] Voice 3: you give us

[2:55:28] Voice 3: any advice on on how the how the funding looks and and you know my concern is that we don't

[2:55:36] Voice 3: hamper the work i know trustee alan and scott are are both thinking about other ltcs that might

[2:55:44] Voice 3: might need access to some of that funding so any advice would be very helpful at this time

[2:55:49] Voice 3: thank

[2:55:51] Voice 1: you hello local trust committee so just to confirm one piece there your official community

[2:55:58] Voice 1: plan project budget funding has not yet been formally accepted by kfn and that's what we're

[2:56:05] Voice 1: working on so that's just to be clear that piece is still in the works and it has been a slow

[2:56:11] Voice 1: steady progress towards communications sorting out what that might look like and we're getting

[2:56:18] Voice 1: there and we anticipate that perhaps we'll get final confirmation of that this month in February

[2:56:26] Voice 1: and that'll allow us to use those funds throughout the remainder of the year to work with

[2:56:32] Voice 1: the nation on engaging on those key concerns and issues around Hornby's land and marine areas

[2:56:39] Voice 1: related to your OCP review project. The other funding that Trustee Allen has referenced

[2:56:46] Voice 1: is for the second project around relationship building. And it dovetails perfectly with the

[2:56:56] Voice 1: negotiations and the discussions that we're having with the KFN staff at this time.

[2:57:00] Voice 1: so it would be prudent that we complete this piece of discussions with the nation prior to

[2:57:11] Voice 1: the end of this fiscal to ensure that we're not misleading the nation in terms of the sincerity

[2:57:19] Voice 1: around the hard work that is to come and it is a significant piece of work that staff are

[2:57:26] Voice 1: identifying uh we have been listening to the nation's staff and understand the depth and breadth

[2:57:33] Voice 1: of discussions around land use planning for hornby that they wish to engage with us on so that we can

[2:57:41] Voice 1: move your projects forward in a in a good way so yes we would caution against um removing those

[2:57:52] Voice 1: those funds at this time because we are at that point

[2:57:57] Voice 1: where we are aligning our objectives

[2:58:03] Voice 1: for working with the nation with that adequate capacity

[2:58:06] Voice 1: to ensure that the work can actually get done.

[2:58:11] Voice 3: Okay, thank you.

[2:58:13] Voice 3: Trustee's questions.

[2:58:14] Voice 3: See some hands.

[2:58:16] Voice 3: Trustee Scott.

[2:58:17] Voice 3: I

[2:58:17] Voice 4: move we withdraw the motion.

[2:58:22] Voice 3: Okay, well, we had,

[2:58:23] Voice 3: we just determined that we weren't certain

[2:58:27] Voice 3: that was seconded so we don't know that we need to defeat it or withdraw it but we haven't been

[2:58:32] Voice 3: passed i know that yes sir

[2:58:33] Voice 7: um sonia sorry sorry i just i just conjectured i thought we assumed

[2:58:38] Voice 7: something so when are we going to have elected to elected with the comics first nations yeah we're

[2:58:48] Voice 1: working on that we're hoping that this groundwork that the staff are doing will pave a way to ensure

[2:58:57] Voice 1: sure that when that happens it's the best possible outcome for advancing actual decisions

[2:59:03] Voice 1: around the land use planning matters that are of interest to both levels of government so we can

[2:59:10] Voice 1: appreciate that everybody wants to see that happen but this work that we're doing at this level is

[2:59:19] Voice 1: literally setting those foundations for discussions around how we're going to address those core key

[2:59:26] Voice 1: land use planning issues that are top of mind for the nation and that coincide with your

[2:59:33] Voice 1: jurisdiction, authority, and project work.

[2:59:42] Voice 3: Okay. Anything further from trustees?

[2:59:52] Voice 7: I guess because, you know, you say this is, or some of you said this is a pilot project,

[2:59:58] Voice 7: but I'm kind of, I don't.

[3:00:00] Voice 7: I know it's a, it's delicate and it's staff to staff, but I really, I have concerns because, you know, when I first was elected, we had way more elected, elected, let's call it First Nations, that seems to have disappeared, and they only have a two-year-term council, and, yeah, I just, I just want to raise that flag that is, thank

[3:00:21] Voice 4: you.

[3:00:24] Voice 3: okay uh anything further on this or all right um then let's move along okay thank you

[3:00:36] Voice 3: thank you okay

[3:00:42] Voice 12: so next up and

[3:00:50] Voice 3: we have our active projects report on page 33 anything from staff on the report or just want

[3:01:15] Voice 3: to take a question you can

[3:01:17] Voice 4: just take questions there's two main yeah uh

[3:01:27] Voice 3: trustees um the only

[3:01:32] Voice 3: thing i was looking at was the uh in terms of today's delegation about aligning the ocp lub

[3:01:41] Voice 3: with the alr rules uh in regard to a1 zoning and agri-tourism accommodation units

[3:01:53] Voice 3: In the break I formally discussed the delegate talking to staff in terms of the local trust

[3:02:05] Voice 3: committee providing the interaction, does anyone have any thoughts on that?

[3:02:14] Voice 7: Did you receive the letters from the other farming?

[3:02:20] Voice 7: i've

[3:02:21] Voice 3: received several different letters so i'm just just in in terms of any action that's um

[3:02:27] Voice 3: desired to take today is there any if not we can move along that's fine by me

[3:02:33] Voice 4: um

[3:02:35] Voice 4: then you want to get to three ferry yeah well whatever would you oh okay

[3:02:51] Voice 4: uh also the

[3:02:52] Voice 7: delegate did ask for some like he did ask a question what actually yeah announced

[3:02:56] Voice 3: and i know during the break um spoke to to the delegate and and the planner and there was

[3:03:04] Voice 3: discussion about about some direct um conversation there so i'm not i'm not suggesting that we have

[3:03:11] Voice 3: to take any action yeah i was just wondering if if there was anything on that that could be the

[3:03:16] Voice 3: right spot in

[3:03:17] Voice 10: the conversation which you didn't deal with so the staff will absolutely i yeah

[3:03:22] Voice 10: myself as a staff member will coordinate with with sonya um plan super nets on the ocp review

[3:03:28] Voice 10: project and bring bring that um that concern and request for it and i think that that's

[3:03:33] Voice 10: that's possible with the ltc action it's um um yeah i think that's i think that's a staff

[3:03:40] Voice 10: coordination piece and it can go on the fual like that okay so

[3:03:45] Voice 7: is that going to be part of it

[3:03:48] Voice 7: we

[3:03:48] Voice 4: haven't made a date for our no

[3:03:50] Voice 10: i don't know that's would that

[3:03:51] Voice 10: be part of

[3:03:52] Voice 4: that meeting uh

[3:03:56] Voice 10: so well

[3:03:56] Voice 4: that part of

[3:03:57] Voice 10: that i think is part of i think the desire is that um um so the the the

[3:04:07] Voice 10: ag group if you will has to request that the ltc look into this and the ltc is now requesting staff

[3:04:13] Voice 10: out that this is part of the discussion on the by-law review, correct?

[3:04:18] Voice 10: So whether or not, I'm not sure how that would look at that meeting, but it could be, I think

[3:04:24] Voice 10: I need to discuss with Planner Zubinitz, who's, I don't know if you want to add anything,

[3:04:33] Voice 1: Sonia?

[3:04:34] Voice 1: I can jump in, sure.

[3:04:36] Voice 1: So through the chair, the local trust committee would need to expand the scope of your project

[3:04:41] Voice 1: charter if you wanted this to be included as part of your official community plan, land

[3:04:45] Voice 1: use file our review project so it would explicitly be a resolution um to do that and we can do that

[3:04:52] Voice 1: at the at the next meeting when you set that date and i can be prepared to provide you with

[3:04:58] Voice 1: draft wording for that resolution you can consider whether you want to expand the scope

[3:05:02] Voice 1: or separate it out and advance that particular land use planning issue outside of the other

[3:05:08] Voice 1: issues that are captured in that project charter yes

[3:05:15] Voice 4: I

[3:05:16] Voice 10: think there's two not

[3:05:21] Voice 10: totally clear whether the request from the committee member was to actually

[3:05:27] Voice 10: look at the regulations or the main the main thing which you know we can

[3:05:36] Voice 10: certainly provide clarity on the regulations as they are what you have in

[3:05:40] Voice 10: land use bylaw at the moment so yeah it was a two

[3:05:43] Voice 4: -step thing first of all you were going to

[3:05:45] Voice 4: that clarity them

[3:05:48] Voice 10: yeah so through the chair i think on the process piece um the the uh

[3:05:55] Voice 10: steward and the group could come and speak with staff and get some clarity that way and if the

[3:06:00] Voice 10: ltc then decided it wanted to direct staff to expand the scope of the project that that's

[3:06:05] Voice 10: possible then we would but if we chose we could refer to the apc post post the discussion on on

[3:06:12] Voice 10: that perhaps yeah so that's just on the process piece on whether the lgc today wanted to pass

[3:06:20] Voice 10: that resolution or wait for a bit more discussion until after um the group had got perhaps the

[3:06:27] Voice 10: clarity that they want on the on the bylaw as it stands at the moment yeah

[3:06:30] Voice 2: sounds reasonable

[3:06:35] Voice 3: Okay, so the Future Projects report there on page 34, anything on that?

[3:06:48] Voice 7: Yes, number four on page 34. And that, I thought this was going to be sort of tied in with our whole OCP review.

[3:06:59] Voice 7: The chickens and roosters, heat zones and saluting systems and setback regulations, as opposed to something separate.

[3:07:08] Voice 4: You

[3:07:13] Voice 3: know, I think that I'm sure we can get advice from staff, but I think we could consider adding those to the project charter for a future meeting if you wanted to.

[3:07:31] Voice 9: I see Planner Zupanek.

[3:07:36] Voice 1: Yeah, that's currently not part of the project charter for the OCPLUB review.

[3:07:40] Voice 1: So it would need to be added.

[3:07:43] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:07:44] Voice 4: All right, then.

[3:07:49] Voice 3: Okay. Sue, are you wanting to take action at this time?

[3:07:54] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:07:54] Voice 3: I move

[3:07:57] Voice 7: that the Hornbein Local Trust Committee ask staff to add future projects report number four to our OCVU LED review, targeted review.

[3:08:18] Voice 7: Is that enough direction, Sonia?

[3:08:26] Voice 1: sure to be to be clear you're asking us to bring you back a draft project charter with

[3:08:32] Voice 1: the inclusion of the um setbacks for cisterns yes okay

[3:08:41] Voice 1: and um so we can do that for the next

[3:08:45] Voice 1: meeting you'll see the project charter with that addition and then you can endorse it at that time

[3:08:53] Voice 3: okay so moved and you have a seconder moved and seconded any further discussion

[3:08:58] Voice 3: I'm not seeing it. I'll call the question. All those in favour? And that carries.

[3:09:07] Voice 5: Hello Chair. Yes?

[3:09:10] Voice 5: I'm a little not sure about the motion. It's that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[3:09:21] Voice 5: asked staff to add Future Projects Report Number 4 to the OCP LUB review. Is that the right motion?

[3:09:30] Voice 5: yes do i have to add planner zupanek's addition to this motion i i guess i was i was um not sure

[3:09:41] Voice 5: about the chickens versus the cistern like if if it's the chickens and the cistern so it's

[3:09:46] Voice 5: the entirety of the number four

[3:09:48] Voice 4: entirety yes

[3:09:49] Voice 5: okay thank you okay

[3:10:00] Voice 3: uh right then so on to the special

[3:10:06] Voice 3: for meeting schedule for discussion hopefully you both have your calendars handy i know that

[3:10:22] Voice 3: jeff d scott you have a number of uh busy times around the herring fest

[3:10:30] Voice 4: oh i'm just so worried about herring okay maybe

[3:10:34] Voice 3: i had it wrong

[3:10:34] Voice 4: no you know february 24th

[3:10:38] Voice 4: to that entire week up north that um first nation okay so let's

[3:10:49] Voice 4: come back here

[3:10:50] Voice 3: february 24th till

[3:10:51] Voice 3: that week march the whatever that week is the first week of march

[3:11:04] Voice 4: 26 to the first of march okay

[3:11:08] Voice 3: that's not available for you this

[3:11:12] Voice 7: is a zoom meeting right

[3:11:14] Voice 3: uh the thought was to have it a hybrid meeting here

[3:11:18] Voice 3: yeah that that's what we had discussed previously um i'm just looking at my schedule

[3:11:28] Voice 7: our problem is we don't know what's available for meeting spaces i see yeah

[3:11:35] Voice 10: through the chair we sort of do there's two meetings that that the uh administrator will

[3:11:42] Voice 10: the best date would be march 22nd which would allow the hall um and you know staff to attend

[3:11:54] Voice 10: and we think that would allow um all the trustees to attend that date as well based on what um

[3:12:02] Voice 10: uh and march 15th would be an alternate day but it's the day after trust council

[3:12:07] Voice 10: so that's not ideal um for the trustees mainly i i think um so i think that would be the best date

[3:12:13] Voice 10: and then the 29th was the other day but it's good friday so that's not really possible so

[3:12:19] Voice 10: from from what we can understand with everyone's logistics 22nd would be the best

[3:12:26] Voice 10: 15th as a possible and i know that chair um euston you'd be you're on vancouver island for

[3:12:34] Voice 10: trust councils in the nine hall correct yeah

[3:12:36] Voice 3: yeah i mean it would be and it's just it's not that

[3:12:40] Voice 3: i mean i could do the 15th but uh i prefer the 22nd so i'm just going to look to the

[3:12:45] Voice 3: local trustees does the 22nd seem reasonable to both of you yeah

[3:12:52] Voice 4: this will be every but

[3:12:57] Voice 3: yeah and to be honest uh uh i don't i i don't yeah unless we did it next friday i don't really

[3:13:06] Voice 3: have an auction in there yeah

[3:13:08] Voice 3: um should we just should we set on the 22nd then yeah

[3:13:13] Voice 7: okay and

[3:13:15] Voice 3: staff would you like a motion to that in fact we've been instructed by the director um but

[3:13:22] Voice 3: that should

[3:13:23] Voice 10: happen so yes please a specific date okay so

[3:13:27] Voice 3: i moved that the hornby island

[3:13:29] Voice 3: local trust committee special meeting for receipt of advice around provincial housing regulation

[3:13:39] Voice 3: and the OCP be scheduled for March 22nd. In-person hybrid if possible on Hornby Island and you say

[3:13:53] Voice 3: the hall is available? I believe so yes. Yeah here at the Hornby Island Hall.

[3:14:04] Voice 4: yeah thank

[3:14:05] Voice 3: you i second second uh any further discussion okay all those in favor and uh various

[3:14:14] Voice 9: okay

[3:14:15] Voice 3: so trustees if there's nothing further i we could go to adjournment

[3:14:20] Voice 3: from

[3:14:22] Voice 4: third journal okay

[3:14:23] Voice 3: all right well thank you very much everyone

[3:14:26] Voice 4: yeah yeah

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Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
February 2, 2024 
Hornby Island Community Hall 
4305 Central Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner by Zoom 
 Ian Cox, Planner 2 
 Jennifer Isaac, Meeting Administrator 
 Katherine Vogt, Recorder by Zoom 
  
Others Present: Daniel Arbour, Regional Director 
 There were approximately thirty-two (32) members of the public in 
attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 11:33 a.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. He introduced himself, Trustees, and 
Recorder; and invited Staff to introduce themselves. Planner Cox noted that he had been 
recently reassigned to Hornby Island, and Administrator Isaac noted that this was her debut 
meeting as Meeting Administrator. Chair Peterson welcomed Regional Director Arbour and 
members of the public. He noted that the meeting was being livestreamed and recorded. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Under new business, add items 11.1 Childcare for Local Trust Committee Meetings and 11.2 
Comox Valley Regional District Business Licensing for STVRs. 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Scott reported on the following:  

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 Proposed logging in Tribune Bay Park for a new road and extension is concerning 
because that area of the park contains some of the oldest growth trees on Hornby 
Island.  
 The recent closure of the Tribune Bay Outdoor Education Centre is an important 
issue for discussion. 
 Glamping is an interesting way to bring people to the island and needs further 
discussion. 
 The possibility of halting all short-term vacation rentals on Hornby has been 
generating a lot of concern. 
 
Trustee Allen reported on the following: 
 Looking forward to working with colleagues and four different groups in-person this 
term. 
 Hoping to help make people happy with the situation regarding short-term vacation 
rentals and other important issues. 
 Curveball issues such as the proposed cell tower have stalled progress on other 
issues; and it is hoped that more progress can be made this term. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Peterson reported on the following: 
 Attending meetings of the Islands Trust Financial Planning Committee in preparation 
for budget considerations for 2024/2025 at the upcoming Trust Council meeting in 
March. 
 Attending meetings of the Islands Trust Governance Committee to review and 
prioritize the recommendations contained in the 2022 Governance Report. 
 Attendance at the Salish Sea Symposium last week in Vancouver put on by 
Transport Canada; trying to get the federal government to understand the transport 
issues of coastal communities can be challenging; relationship building with 
Transport Canada officials will be worked on going forward. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Director Arbour reported on the following: 
 The new provincial housing rules have granted several new powers to local 
governments, including allowing regional districts to issue business licenses; and 
there is an opportunity this week to request Comox Valley Regional District (CVRD) 
funds to initiate a collaboration project between the CVRD and the Hornby Local 
Trust Committee (LTC) regarding possibilities for business licensing for STVRs within 
the Hornby Local Trust Area. 
 The Hornby Boat Ramp Project funds were secured last fall and the project will 
engage Kómox First Nation (KFN) early on. 

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 The CVRD is looking at creating a housing authority and would like to consult with 
Denman and Hornby Islands on their willingness to be a part of it. 
 Thank you to the Hornby Island Residents and Ratepayers Association (HIRRA) and 
the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC) for 
their information that will contribute to the CVRD draft budget deliberations next 
week.  
 The closure of the Tribune Bay Outdoor Education Centre has been sudden news to 
everybody; upcoming meetings with various parties will seek to clarify the issues 
surrounding the closure. 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
Members of the public asked about or made statements on the following: 
 In support of prioritizing a CVRD and Hornby Local Trust Committee (LTC) collaboration 
regarding possibilities for business licensing on Hornby Island, given that the Hornby Island 
Community Economic Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC) has long wanted this for short-
term vacation rentals. 
 Karen Ross updated that the HICEEC application for use of crown lands for housing and a 
cemetery extension is expected to go in this month. Katherine Ronan is designated as 
responsible for this application and is requesting that the LTC support it. 
o Planner Cox noted that planning staff have a meeting scheduled with Katherine 
Ronan on February 6
th
 to discuss zoning considerations and what may be required in 
terms of Islands Trust approvals. 
o Joanne Ovitsland clarified that the application for crown land for the cemetery will 
be a separate application. 
 In an extraordinary federal court hearing yesterday, Salt Spring Advocate Clarke argued that 
Rogers had failed to fulfill their obligations to consult with the community as per existing 
protocols and had behaved poorly. Clarke asserted that Innovation, Science and Economic 
Development Canada (ISED) had jurisdiction, but not unfettered power, over the proposed 
Salt Spring cell tower which will contain 9 antennas and 22 panels. In my 15-page 
submission to ISED earlier this week on behalf of the Concerned Residents of Hornby Island 
(CRHI), I called on the Minister to discipline Rogers, SitePath, and Brian Gregg for 
obstructing fair process and to dismiss this and all further applications for cell tower siting 
on Hornby Island. Our Official Community Plan requires that all public services and utilities 
installations on Hornby Island should be for servicing Hornby Island only. Trustees should 
honor their oath to protect all their constituents and vote for non-concurrence today. 
o Chair Peterson reminded that members of the public who wished to speak for a 
longer time could be better served by speaking as a delegation, for which they 
would be allotted 10 minutes. 
 This 24-story cell tower will need to be covered with lights, visible over the entirety of the 
island, because it is in the flightpath of the medivac helicopter. This cell tower is to improve 
Rogers’s general cell coverage and bottom line, not to better service Hornby. For better 
emergency response, Hornby should be getting satellite phones.  

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 Erecting a fifth-generation tower in the middle of Hornby’s main community service area 
will cover Hornby Island with unhealthy electromagnetic pulses. This military-like installation 
is designed for the “internet of things” and the surveillance of everything.  
 The current cell tower site is a bad site and is too close to the ball park; the bike track and 
bike trail; the golf course; Joe King Clubhouse; the kitchen and warming center; the weight 
room; the soccer field; the community school; the pickle ball, basketball, badminton and 
Spark maker space which is also proposed for a water testing site; the free store; the 
community hall; the home support building, the outdoor performance area; the outside 
market; the credit union; the medical clinic; the natural history building; the proposed 
community housing site; the Hornby Residents and Ratepayers Association building; Room 
to Grow; and the pre-school. Trustees need to tell the provincial government that the site is 
inappropriate. 
 Fiber optics gives you a much better system than what the tower can offer. 
 Please vote for non-concurrence to the proposed cell tower because it is the right thing to 
do. 
 Expressed concern whether planning staff had followed proper legislative process 
throughout the history of the file. The Official Community Plan states that no such tower can 
exist on Hornby. This is undisputed as based on documents obtained through the Freedom 
of Information Act. The law allows trustees to vote non-concurrence at any time. 
 Housing advocate April Lewis updated that the Hornby Island Housing Network and the 
Hornby Island Housing Society have developed a draft Housing Strategy document that will 
be ready for community feedback soon. In addition, a Community Profile Project for Hornby 
and Denman Islands was completed and can be accessed online at communityprofile.ca. 
Please advise us of any errors or omissions in the community profile. 
 Advisory Planning Commission (APC) Secretary Joanne Ovitsland noted that the APC housing 
and short-term vacation rentals (STVR)s recommendations, submitted two years ago, have 
been stalled and now complicated by the new provincial housing regulations. While business 
license possibilities are welcome, there are now 10 to 15% more short-term vacation rentals 
(STVR)s being listed this year than last. Should housing and STVRs be separated to allow for 
a more efficient process? 
 Rogers’s cell tower proposal should be null and void if it is going against existing laws. 
 Many parents cannot come to this meeting if there is no childcare available. 
 In support a cell phone tower free Hornby Island for safety and health reasons. Many people 
on Hornby have spent a lot of time on their research and presentations regarding this issue. 
My cell phone already works well in most places on Hornby. 
 Does the Islands Trust have any input into road quality issues? 
o Chair Peterson responded that Trust influence over roads issues was limited to 
letter writing. 
 Microwave radiation is damaging to human and plant cells and is a weapon of assault. 
Children’s brains are compromised by microwaves. Safer cell phone technologies exist but 
have been suppressed.  
 There is no public support for this cell tower at this meeting today. 
 

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5. DELEGATIONS 
5.1 Stuart Amos regarding the Agricultural Land Reserve and A1 Zoned Properties 
Stuart Amos, speaking on behalf of the following farms and owners of Agricultural Land 
Reserve (ALR) designated, A1 Islands Trust-zoned property on Hornby Island: Little 
Tribune Farm: Nikki Pierce and Stuart Amos; Lerena Vineyards: Daniel Goodman and 
Rebecca Goldman; 80 Acre Wood: Mike Holmes, Wilfredo Sánchez Vega, and Kristen 
Berg; Fossil Beach Farm: Aileen Fearman and Jeff Zamluk, noted the following: 
 The current delegation is a follow-up to that of the last meeting. 
 Farm owners want clear Islands Trust rules that reflect current ALR rules. 
 Glamping, currently allowed by the ALR for agri-tourism, is a low impact and good 
way of bringing people to the island that does not take away from local housing or 
STVRs, and that provides crucial farm income. 
 
Chair Peterson deferred LTC discussion of the ALR regulations issues to later in the 
meeting, under Item 13.1. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated December 13, 2023 - for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Under Item 4, bullet no. 14, line 2, correct the spelling of “Griegg” to “Gregg.”  
 Under item 5.1, second paragraph, line 1 replace the last name “Savoi” with the 
correct last name “Fearman.” 
 Under Item 5.3, first paragraph, line 3, correct the spelling of the last name 
“Hoffner” to “Hoeppner.” 
 Under Item 5.3, sixth bullet, second indented bullet, replace the name “Emily” with 
the correct name “Eula.” 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - none 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated January 26, 2024 
Received for information. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 HO-3400-02-2022.1 (Rogers Communications) - Innovation, Science, Education and 
Development Canada (ISED) Antenna Systems Consultation Process - Memorandum 

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Planner Cox updated Trustees with the following information contained in the Rogers 
Communications Memorandum: 
 That a recent letter from Ken Pungente, Coastal Offices Director for ISED, indicated 
that consultation processes between a proponent and a land use authority (LUA) 
can be extended past the default ISED 120 days in the case where a LUA has 
requested additional public consultation and notification. 
 Staff recently reviewed a new public notification proposal prepared by the 
proponent who intends to send out the expanded notification area information on 
February 2
nd
, which is today. There is no specified timeline for this new notification 
process per the guidance from Mr. Pugente noted above. 
o A member of the public noted that public responses to the new notification 
were requested by the proponent by March 8, 2024. 
o Planner Cox to provide clarity for the LTC on whether Rogers will bring this 
newly compiled public response information directly back to the LTC prior to 
the anticipated BC provincial Crown Lands referral. To be added as an 
update to the Follow Up Action List. 
 The Local Trust Committee (LTC) can submit a letter of non-concurrence at any time, 
though staff would not be recommending this approach considering the LTC has 
requested additional notification; should difficulty arise in communication between 
the LUA and a proponent, the proponent may seek assistance from ISED as an 
intermediary and/or request dispute resolution..  
 There is some risk of the above to the LTC in deciding upon non-concurrence before 
the proponent’s new public consultation process is completed, given that the new 
process was requested by the LTC. 
 
Chair Peterson noted the following: 
 That a letter of non-concurrence would need to provide rationale deemed 
acceptable by ISED. 
 That the Province is only involved with the Rogers application because they want to 
use a piece of crown land, rather than private land, for the site of their proposed cell 
tower. 
 If the Province rejects Roger’s application, Rogers will need to find a new piece of 
land and start over again with the public consultation process. 
 
Trustees noted the following: 
 ISED has the final say on whether a cell tower would be placed on Hornby or not. 
 The previously proposed cell tower had no lighting, but the new proposed tower has 
full lighting. 
 LTC objections to the crown land site that Rogers is applying for seems more 
defensible than LTC objections to Roger’s consultation processes. 
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Chair Peterson finalized that, given Trustee agreement, a letter of support for Katherine 
Ronan’s applications for crown land for community housing and a cemetery extension 
could be done by Resolution Without Meeting. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE - none 
11. NEW BUSINESS  
11.1 Childcare for Local Trust Committee Meetings 
Trustee Allen noted that regular LTC meetings, especially as they were held on Fridays, 
were difficult for parents of younger children to attend; and that available childcare 
could support families to attend more meetings. 
Chair Peterson noted that it would be important to know if LTC funds were available for 
this purpose, and to have an estimate of cost. 
HO-LTC-2024-01 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee ask staff to explore funding for childcare 
during Local Trust Committee meetings and report back at the next possible 
opportunity. 
CARRIED 
 
11.2  Comox Valley Regional District Business Licensing. 
HO-LTC-2024-02 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to send a letter to the 
Comox Valley Regional District Director in support of funding for a feasibility study 
concerning business licensing for short-term vacation rentals on Hornby Island, by 
February 6 if possible. 
CARRIED 
 
Chair Peterson noted that he would also be writing a letter of support before the 
February 6
th
 deadline, so that if the Staff letter was delayed, Director Arbour would have 
something to work with. 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report - none 
12.2 Applications Report dated January 26, 2024 

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Planner Cox clarified that the Temporary Use Permit (TUP) HO-TUP-2020.3 for water 
extraction and sales at the Co-op was approved by the LTC in 2020, but the permit has 
never actually been issued because one of the conditions of the permit, receipt of a 
water license from the Province, has not occurred. It is anticipated by planning staff that 
this license will be forthcoming and that no current action is required.  
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated December, 2023 
Received for information. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Chair Peterson questioned the current relevance of Standing Resolution no.7 from 2020:  
o Planner Cox responded that this COVID emergency response measure from 
2020 that allowed for expanded patio space licenses by the Liquor Control 
Branch had been wound down by the branch. Staff could look further into it. 
 
A Trustee questioned the slow progress of Standing Resolution No.5 “First Nation 
Relationship Building.”  
o Chair Peterson responded that there were some Band Council elections held 
in January 2024. Letters to newly elected Band Councils within a month or 
two of elections could be considered. 
o Planner Cox updated that Staff was actively engaged with Kómox First 
Nation (KFN) and that Trustees could engage KFN through current projects. 
Advocacy First Nation engagement protocols will be updated shortly by the 
Regional Planning Manager. 
 
A Trustee noted that Standing Resolution No.8 needed to be updated to reflect the new 
resolution HO-LTC-2023-046 that removes the end-dates from previous standing 
resolutions to conditionally defer bylaw enforcement of unlawful permanent dwellings. 
o Planner Cox acknowledged the need for updating this item. 
 
A Trustee requested that Planner Cox look into current Advisory Planning Commission 
(APC) appointments because two of the APC members were coming to the end of their 
term. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
12.6 First Nations Relationship Building Update – verbal 
Planner Cox, speaking on behalf of Regional Planning Manager Jamurat who sends 
apologies for being unable to attend the meeting, provided the following First Nations 
relationship-building update: 
 Regional Planning Manager Jamurat and other Islands Trust Staff met virtually with 
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information on the current planning projects for Hornby, Denman, and Lasqueti 
Islands; and the major works underway by Islands Trust Conservancy and Trust Area 
Services. 
 KFN has indicated that they are interested in participating in Denman and Hornby 
generally and in the Trust Policy Statement work. 
 Capacity funding contained within project budgets will finance ongoing discussions 
with KFN. 
 Planner Zupanec was also present at the virtual meeting with KFN with information 
regarding the Hornby Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Review Project. 
 Director Claire Frater of Trust Area Services and the Acting Senior Policy Advisor 
Mary Storzer were also present at the virtual meeting. 
 Discussions went very well. 
 
A Trustee expressed some concern that the Capacity Funding for First Nations 
relationship building of $12,000 for Hornby was excessive given that other Trust 
Islands also needed funds. 
o Chair Peterson noted that Capacity Funds came from the Province 
specifically for First Nations relationship building; any funds not used by 
Hornby would go back into the pool of funds for that specific use by 
other Trust Islands.  
o Planner Zupanec noted that $12,000 was set aside from the Hornby LTC 
Project budget for capacity funding with the Nation and has not yet 
been accepted. It would be prudent not to mislead KFN by removing 
funds just when plans for future work have been successfully set in 
motion. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated January 26, 2023 
The Local Trust Committee (LTC) discussed the possibility for including the alignment of 
Agricultural Land Commission (ALC) regulations with local Trust regulations into the 
current Hornby Official Community Plan (OCP)/Land Use Bylaw (LUB) Review Project.  
Planner Zupanec advised that a draft resolution to include the agricultural regulations 
issues could be prepared by planning staff for consideration at the next LTC meeting. 
o Planner Cox added that better clarity around current agricultural regulations 
could be provided by planning staff before consideration of a resolution. 
o A Trustee considered that this upcoming planner review of existing agricultural 
regulations across jurisdictions may be appropriate for Advisory Planning 
Commission (APC) referral. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated January 26, 2024 

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HO-LTC-2024-03 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee ask staff to add Future Projects Report 
Number 4 to the Official Community Plan/Land Use Bylaw Review Project. 
CARRIED 
 
Planner Zupanec clarified that Item No. 4 on the Future Projects Report, regarding the 
consideration of zoning amendments to allow chickens (but not roosters) in all zones 
and the consideration of excluding cisterns from setback regulations, would be added by 
Staff to the draft charter of the Hornby Official Community Plan (OCP)/Land Use Bylaw 
(LUB) Review Project for Local Trust Committee (LTC) endorsement at the next regular 
LTC meeting. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Date Options for Hornby Local Trust Committee Special Meeting - for discussion 
 
HO-LTC-2024-04 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Special Meeting for receipt of advice 
around provincial housing regulations and the Hornby Official Community Plan be 
scheduled for March 22, 2024, in person and hybrid, if possible, at the Hornby Island 
Hall. 
CARRIED 
14.2 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:30 am at Room to 
Grow, 2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:46 p.m. 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder