Galiano Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 13, 2024

[0:00:04] Voice 6: And welcome, everybody. I want to call this regular meeting

[0:00:13] Voice 5: of the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee's order.

[0:00:18] Voice 5: Everyone's aware that we're live streaming and recording the meeting today, and it'll be posted on

[0:00:25] Voice 6: the Island's Trust website in a week or so.

[0:00:28] Voice 6: I want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather here today in the territories of both Salish people and the Malacca people, most specifically.

[0:00:42] Voice 6: My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Mesquite Island. I'm the chair of the Galliano Island

[0:00:47] Voice 5: Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:48] Voice 5: committee with me, our local trustees, Ben Maberly, Lisa Cabrone, and our staff planner,

[0:00:56] Voice 5: Kim Stockdale, and Bruce Belcher. And online, I think Carly Blaney is our recorder. Is that right?

[0:01:05] Voice 5: Anyway, I think so. And hopefully I'm not leaving anyone else.

[0:01:11] Voice 6: Rob Croker's here

[0:01:12] Voice 6: with us virtually as well. And we appreciate all of that technical support on the other

[0:01:19] Voice 6: underhand and the support in the room from our staff um so this meeting is the official forum

[0:01:25] Voice 6: for the local trust committee to make decisions about the land use planning uh matters and discuss

[0:01:30] Voice 6: relevant business and also dispension this is a place of employment and our staff have the right

[0:01:35] Voice 6: to a safe and respectful workplace um we've

[0:01:41] Voice 5: got uh town hall section coming up and uh when we get

[0:01:47] Voice 5: there i'll just remind you about that um but yeah with that uh we'll we'll launch the meetings and

[0:01:56] Voice 5: uh we're trying to business we have an agenda before us is there any changes to the agenda

[0:02:04] Voice 5: okay well we can take the uh approval

[0:02:10] Voice 6: of the agenda by you know consent today and then we'll

[0:02:14] Voice 6: three inter-trustee reports who'd like to go first

[0:02:19] Voice 5: all right with the no local trust committee meeting last month i could find the refocus

[0:02:25] Voice 5: and reflect on the past year i've been reviewing uh trust council and galliano ltc as well as

[0:02:31] Voice 5: application guides uh mid-january i did my first governance committee meeting i have an

[0:02:37] Voice 5: ex-official member uh pointed through my position at the alice trust conservancy

[0:02:43] Voice 5: Also, I attended an On Stress Preservancy meeting in late January, where I was elected

[0:02:47] Voice 5: to vice chair for the team.

[0:02:49] Voice 5: You know that Lisa Smith is the chair of the IT&C, and Kate Emmings is the manager of On

[0:02:55] Voice 5: Stress Preservancy, so it's safe to say that Galea is well represented at On Stress Preservancy.

[0:03:04] Voice 5: So also, I've been taking extra time to prepare myself for Trust Council in March, including

[0:03:12] Voice 5: turning into other standing committee meetings,

[0:03:14] Voice 5: financial planning committee meetings,

[0:03:17] Voice 5: regional planning,

[0:03:18] Voice 5: also watching the executive committee meetings.

[0:03:21] Voice 5: And mid-January, I attended Long Island Town Hall,

[0:03:26] Voice 5: hosted by Elizabeth Megan.

[0:03:27] Voice 5: It was a great turnout, we had about 40 people here,

[0:03:32] Voice 5: and topics that were discussed were chemical weapons bans,

[0:03:37] Voice 5: environmental racism,

[0:03:39] Voice 5: which is Elizabeth's private members' bill,

[0:03:41] Voice 5: We can talk about agriculture, the heritage bill, looking at government and international

[0:03:50] Voice 5: pressure around a seasquare in Gaza, talk about pipelines, protection of wetlands, and

[0:03:58] Voice 5: watercourses.

[0:03:59] Voice 5: We talked about anti-trump laws, and the list goes on.

[0:04:02] Voice 5: One of the key takeaways for me was how approachable our Member of Parliament is.

[0:04:08] Voice 5: all it takes is a letter to her and you can see her swing into action i encourage anyone to reach

[0:04:15] Voice 5: out with their concerns reach out to her reach out to me i'll proceed come on in front of the

[0:04:19] Voice 5: hour it's been pretty quiet lately um in the bus office on mondays from 9 to 11. i could go on

[0:04:25] Voice 5: but it feels like a year's worth of events since my last trustee report so i'll leave it here for

[0:04:31] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you, thank you so one of the things we've been working on since the last trust meeting i've been working on this for a few months so i've been.

[0:04:44] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, Consulting with the CRD director CRD and I was stressed out to see if it's possible to craft a housing agreement that the CRD could register on title to see if we could facilitate the building of.

[0:04:57] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, cottages for long term housing.

[0:05:01] Voice 5: So that's something that's underway. I'm looking forward to seeing what Kim has to say that came out of that meeting that you guys had with staff there.

[0:05:08] Voice 5: The other thing I want to sort of acknowledge, and I do this at every meeting, is the passing of some of our elders.

[0:05:16] Voice 5: We had three pass in the community since the last meeting, Betty Brannon, Margie Head and Jeannie Sobey.

[0:05:22] Voice 5: and it's you know when your elders pass it's sort of

[0:05:27] Voice 7: it's

[0:05:28] Voice 5: striking in a way that i looked at genie

[0:05:30] Voice 5: selby and she was in her mid-90s and um she's born on the island right raised on the island

[0:05:38] Voice 5: and you sort of reflect back and i'm gonna visit a genie many many times at the north end

[0:05:45] Voice 5: and you you realize the loss of being able to see galliano through her eyes right that that

[0:05:52] Voice 5: vast knowledge, that book

[0:05:54] Voice 5: she had in her head

[0:05:56] Voice 5: and she grew up, if you go to the

[0:05:58] Voice 5: North End Hall and you see her name there

[0:06:00] Voice 5: as a child when she had to go to school

[0:06:02] Voice 5: at the North End Hall

[0:06:04] Voice 5: and the sultry was there, all of those

[0:06:06] Voice 5: things, how this island has changed

[0:06:08] Voice 5: in her lifetime, so

[0:06:10] Voice 5: you know, Jeannie's striking

[0:06:12] Voice 5: close to home, so thanks for that

[0:06:15] Voice 5: Yeah

[0:06:17] Voice 5: And next up is the Chair's

[0:06:19] Voice 5: report

[0:06:22] Voice 5: as

[0:06:22] Voice 5: As Dr. Cabrillo alluded to, the Financial Planning Committee

[0:06:26] Voice 6: has been meeting a lot in preparation for the Trust Council budget discussions in March and in NIMO.

[0:06:34] Voice 6: and uh between the recommendations of the governance committee um to move towards uh

[0:06:42] Voice 6: an integrated uh um corporate planning process which will integrate the strategic planning

[0:06:51] Voice 6: function uh with the finances and allow for sort of more rational long-term planning for projects

[0:06:57] Voice 6: that may not be completed in a fiscal um and so the financial planning committee working group has

[0:07:04] Voice 6: been really doing the heavy lifting on on that and helping us set up how we might make these

[0:07:11] Voice 6: processes more integrated and really more rational in terms of the long term

[0:07:16] Voice 5: um

[0:07:17] Voice 6: financial and

[0:07:19] Voice 6: strategic goals of trust council um in uh january i went to the salish sea symposium in vancouver

[0:07:28] Voice 6: We were hosted by Transport Canada.

[0:07:31] Voice 6: It was a pleasure to meet Penelope, Elder Kathleen Johnny there,

[0:07:37] Voice 6: who did a great presentation on plant garden restoration.

[0:07:42] Voice 6: And

[0:07:42] Voice 5: that was great meeting her.

[0:07:45] Voice 5: We had some good talks with her.

[0:07:48] Voice 5: There were some last wonderful

[0:07:51] Voice 6: parts of the program in terms of the sort

[0:07:58] Voice 6: of awareness and responsiveness of the federal departments to the realities and the needs of

[0:08:05] Voice 6: the residents and and frankly the other good things in the sailors the area um there's a real

[0:08:16] Voice 6: there's a real tendency by those federal governments to prioritize

[0:08:20] Voice 6: the economic activities over the natural world in our area and of course we know between

[0:08:30] Voice 6: between shipping and anchorages and, of course, dangers around tanker spills.

[0:08:38] Voice 5: Some pretty significant issues, as well as all the other human activity.

[0:08:45] Voice 5: I

[0:08:46] Voice 6: did, though, have a chance to speak really briefly to the Deputy Minister of Transport

[0:08:53] Voice 6: and then the following day to the Interim Assistant Deputy about

[0:08:57] Voice 5: the issue of more employees.

[0:09:00] Voice 5: which are in some areas becoming increasingly dense

[0:09:04] Voice 5: and moving well beyond that Transport Canada's designation

[0:09:10] Voice 6: as a minor works.

[0:09:12] Voice 6: So I posited the question of what numbers

[0:09:15] Voice 6: and what concentration in one area

[0:09:17] Voice 6: does do more activities collectively beyond minor works?

[0:09:24] Voice 6: And so the question went in.

[0:09:28] Voice 6: I didn't get any answers,

[0:09:29] Voice 6: but they certainly heard that there is, you know, there needs to be a point past which it's not just okay to let the conglomerated unlimited numbers in areas.

[0:09:43] Voice 6: And I did request that they consider interagency meeting with the local government, regional districts, province, federal departments.

[0:09:54] Voice 6: We'll see if that gets any traction or not. But I used the opportunity there to do that.

[0:10:00] Voice 6: and i'll leave that at that for my chair's report today i

[0:10:05] Voice 5: don't see anything from

[0:10:08] Voice 5: see our electoral area director here today mr brett but maybe he'll show up sometime this season

[0:10:15] Voice 5: and then the next session is first nations report and you have some information about the

[0:10:20] Voice 5: elected elections so today is the election of um chief of council on canalis island so

[0:10:26] Voice 5: uh especially for staff by the end of the week we should know who's who's elected and

[0:10:31] Voice 5: where contacts are going to be moving forward

[0:10:38] Voice 5: and

[0:10:38] Voice 6: so the next section is town hall's session and i will be looking for

[0:10:45] Voice 6: gopads and folks who want to address the local trust committee on issues uh pertaining to the

[0:10:53] Voice 6: business of the local trust committee ideally issues on the agenda but uh and i'll just remind

[0:10:59] Voice 6: everyone to respect the language speak to the issues uh non-individuals and keep your comments

[0:11:06] Voice 6: brief i'll be giving a warning at three minutes and ask you to wrap up and if there's plenty of

[0:11:13] Voice 6: time then we can have a second round and so that i'll just look

[0:11:17] Voice 5: for two hands i think i saw one

[0:11:19] Voice 5: right here yes sir so i would like to talk about the student's property uh development permit

[0:11:27] Voice 5: uh variance permit please yeah yeah go ahead at this time right now but

[0:11:37] Voice 6: uh it yeah okay

[0:11:42] Voice 5: okay so my name is martin swan um thank you mr chairman for allowing me to say a few words

[0:11:50] Voice 5: I'm speaking on behalf of the adjacent property owners.

[0:11:53] Voice 5: My wife, Shannon, might own the property to the western side of the Schoon's property.

[0:12:00] Voice 5: And so we've been working closely with the voice sergeants who are on the eastern side of the Schoon's property.

[0:12:10] Voice 5: We've owned our property since 2014.

[0:12:12] Voice 5: They've owned their property since 1991.

[0:12:14] Voice 5: 1991. And we put our comments together concerning the proposed EVP. So we provided a letter

[0:12:24] Voice 5: that was signed by all four people in the two households. So to move into what I'd like

[0:12:32] Voice 5: to say is we find as the adjacent property owners that there's an atrociously high number

[0:12:39] Voice 5: of bylaw violations that have been in existence on that property for almost 20 years 15 to 20 years

[0:12:46] Voice 5: anyhow um the um the person that was involved is deceased um it's not a reflection on anybody

[0:12:56] Voice 5: that's sitting in this room right now it's a situation where uh that person mr john schoonz

[0:13:02] Voice 5: decided to go ahead with the development of the development permit and um and he

[0:13:09] Voice 5: the outcome was that it affected the rights and well-being of the neighbors

[0:13:15] Voice 5: he had some interesting practices um he was very confident in what he did uh he'd often joke with

[0:13:23] Voice 5: neighbors about well you know the anchors were that my uh float is way out in front of your house

[0:13:29] Voice 5: Or, you know, don't dig too much there because you'll find a wall that I knocked the top off and buried it.

[0:13:35] Voice 5: There's a wall there on your property.

[0:13:38] Voice 5: Or another one was, first thing I had to do was put up all those fences and gates and hedge and everything to hide so people couldn't see what I was doing on the property.

[0:13:49] Voice 5: And this was sort of the mindset of the individual.

[0:13:53] Voice 5: individual. The bylaws were for other people to worry about. He had very little concern

[0:14:03] Voice 5: about those or how the development complied with any of the rules. I believe it's time

[0:14:11] Voice 5: to fix the mistakes. We were alarmed by the draft DBP, which basically sets out a plan

[0:14:23] Voice 5: where the um the variances will cover um the bylaw um setback um violations and will um

[0:14:37] Voice 5: i'll just ask you

[0:14:38] Voice 6: that okay um

[0:14:39] Voice 5: so so that was our concern is that it was just um a process where the

[0:14:45] Voice 5: there'd be an administrative fix and the in the process those um um bylaw provisions would be

[0:14:53] Voice 5: essentially got it to be um virtually useless they'd be going in some instances going right

[0:15:00] Voice 5: down to zero and i think to respect you know you're trying to control the uh agenda and so

[0:15:06] Voice 5: forth i'll pause and let someone else speak and then i'd like to be picked up again certainly

[0:15:14] Voice 5: I didn't know I saw Teo here.

[0:15:16] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:15:17] Voice 5: I'm Teo.

[0:15:19] Voice 5: I'm from the past one.

[0:15:20] Voice 5: And today I'd like to speak to temporary use permit and affordable housing.

[0:15:28] Voice 5: And clearly the original short-term rental permits have been issued and expired.

[0:15:37] Voice 5: And I've previously asked the trust if they had followed up on those TUPs to see if those individuals were still renting or actually complying with their legal agreement with the trust about living there for long-term rental.

[0:15:57] Voice 5: And so I know at least half a dozen that I don't know about and I suspect you may not know about.

[0:16:04] Voice 5: So there's a direct question to, I suppose, the staff or the, if they know of the disposition of the expired temporary use of short-term vacation rental communities.

[0:16:19] Voice 5: piece commentary yeah

[0:16:24] Voice 3: so um when a tup is approved we have the ability to put in if it's approved for

[0:16:31] Voice 3: three years we have the ability to get a reminder for that you should be set for two and a half

[0:16:36] Voice 3: years and at that point we check in with the applicant to see if they like to renew or if

[0:16:41] Voice 3: it's expiring to reapply and so we are aware of when one does um expire we keep an eye to see if

[0:16:50] Voice 5: they continue the use you keep an eye i'm sorry to see if they continue the use if they for example

[0:16:57] Voice 5: if it expires and if it becomes uh to our knowledge that they're continuing the use we

[0:17:04] Voice 5: send that to bylaw enforcement okay so you've checked on the expired to your piece is what

[0:17:10] Voice 5: you're saying we we do we have a more i mean now that i understand that many have extended

[0:17:17] Voice 5: and so

[0:17:19] Voice 5: now their second three-year term is over and the same thing applies i suppose is that when

[0:17:24] Voice 5: it expires you send a message and if

[0:17:26] Voice 5: you believe that there are some that are operating without a

[0:17:29] Voice 5: tup certainly get in contact with warren dateman or bioenforcement officer and he'll look into that

[0:17:35] Voice 5: for you so only in your inquiry is your testing there's no on the ground in investigation or

[0:17:43] Voice 5: inquiry or even a survey of the internet to see if they're still advertising or any other active

[0:17:51] Voice 5: response to what might be an infraction because uh clearly there's an issue in front of the trust

[0:18:00] Voice 5: and the trustees about infractions and uh second statement i'd like to make is about the intent of

[0:18:08] Voice 5: of the Islands Trust, the community plan

[0:18:11] Voice 5: and the limits set within the community plan

[0:18:15] Voice 5: that theoretically the trustees are representing.

[0:18:19] Voice 5: And then when there are infractions

[0:18:22] Voice 5: and or lack of information about certain values

[0:18:25] Voice 5: that are of interest to the trust,

[0:18:27] Voice 5: I would encourage them to, thank you,

[0:18:30] Voice 5: I'll conclude, to spend more energy and time

[0:18:34] Voice 5: I'm investigating these because six or more significant post-size houses available to rent

[0:18:41] Voice 5: would be a large impact on rental availability on Gabriela. So in allowing TUPs and or promoting

[0:18:51] Voice 5: TUPs, clearly there must be some more follow-up when they expire, especially when there are

[0:18:59] Voice 5: benefits thank you thank you

[0:19:02] Voice 5: add a

[0:19:03] Voice 5: quick comment certification rentals will be discussed later on

[0:19:06] Voice 5: the agenda the province has um processed bill 35 which addresses shortification rentals provincial

[0:19:15] Voice 5: wide and so that will be a topic this ltc will be addressing and how that new bill new legislation

[0:19:23] Voice 5: will affect Gallaudet. So that is an ongoing conversation.

[0:19:29] Voice 5: Okay, thank you. And I saw a hand here next.

[0:19:34] Voice 4: My name is Richard Beauchamp. I'm the two property owners to the east of Mr. Schoon's

[0:19:39] Voice 4: property. I've lived there with my wife, Dorothy, since 1982. So we've been a long time

[0:19:45] Voice 4: residents of Gallaudet. And I will take you on record to reiterate exactly what Mr. Swan

[0:19:50] Voice 4: one has spoken about. I've read his proceedings and entirely endorse that and support it.

[0:19:56] Voice 4: And I really can't comment much more on what a retired professional engineer puts down

[0:20:01] Voice 4: on paper. But I appreciate the opportunity to put my name and my wife's name forward

[0:20:06] Voice 4: in terms of supporting his concern.

[0:20:09] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:20:11] Voice 6: And Jane over here, and then I'll come back this way.

[0:20:14] Voice 5: Just a comment on truck communication. In the last term, I also asked that only a

[0:20:20] Voice 5: allow interpretation rental one on a property where there is a full-time resident so that's

[0:20:26] Voice 5: those are the galleons uh so and all the tup's it's quite a long time ago they are not they're

[0:20:33] Voice 5: no longer in that um i did want to make a quick comment or question about where things are in

[0:20:44] Voice 5: uh with indigenous uh communities because we have several things that are that are backed up

[0:20:51] Voice 5: awaiting consultation so i'm wondering what form that consultation

[0:21:00] Voice 5: some of the

[0:21:02] Voice 5: applicants can expect uh some information regarding that

[0:21:12] Voice 5: we had a big contact we had a meeting with a month or two ago where we introduced a number

[0:21:18] Voice 5: of applications um we understood at that time we were only allocated 30 minutes so we could

[0:21:24] Voice 5: only introduce the topics we couldn't have a full discussion and gather their suggestions

[0:21:31] Voice 5: or opinions on them um in light of specifically Connecticut going through elections we've been

[0:21:37] Voice 5: respectful of that as they're going through transition so we are going to staff are going

[0:21:43] Voice 5: to send another email hopefully at the end of this month to catch base um to get the to see if they

[0:21:49] Voice 5: have the opportunity or time to look at those applications and also the groundwater sustainability

[0:21:55] Voice 5: project in order to find together the comments and those do are there some guidelines now from

[0:22:01] Voice 5: in the province about how they would see a safe place at the local government level?

[0:22:06] Voice 5: Well, the guideline from the province is to consult, right?

[0:22:09] Voice 5: And so the island's trust, we go above and beyond that.

[0:22:13] Voice 5: So internally, so there's no necessarily provincial requiring outlining the steps,

[0:22:21] Voice 5: but generally what happens is we try to, specifically for a rezoning application,

[0:22:26] Voice 5: when we receive a rezoning application,

[0:22:29] Voice 5: application and when we get to the point where we're drafting bylaws which you try to send an early referral letter just

[0:22:35] Voice 5: letting the local first nations know what the application um after first five or the final

[0:22:43] Voice 5: official referral if you will and then we send another

[0:22:50] Voice 5: Another notice right before the public hearing to notify them in the past.

[0:22:55] Voice 5: Great.

[0:22:56] Voice 5: In the back, Sandy.

[0:22:58] Voice 5: Yes, I came here today to hope that you will deny the application.

[0:23:03] Voice 5: We have the application in Montague.

[0:23:07] Voice 5: The best incentive for compliance with local bylaws is when somebody is about to sell their

[0:23:11] Voice 5: property.

[0:23:13] Voice 5: There's nothing to continue with the practice by the new owner.

[0:23:18] Voice 5: otherwise it will also serve to encourage others to be safe i'm in support of the neighbors and

[0:23:24] Voice 5: the water system operators and users who have noted the many infractions and disturbances

[0:23:29] Voice 5: regarding this child and i believe it is the responsibility of the state to bring the estate

[0:23:35] Voice 5: to bring the property into compliance the mandate of the items first gets served by denying the

[0:23:41] Voice 5: application i have a comment on another matter i think that there are provincial guidelines for

[0:23:47] Voice 5: engagement with first nations i think they're still in effect and uh so you might want to refer

[0:23:53] Voice 5: to those as well for local governments to be able to do that

[0:23:59] Voice 6: um indeed i think as uh

[0:24:04] Voice 6: stopped i'll mention there are some provincial guidelines and uh i think most of us recognize

[0:24:11] Voice 6: that you know the official referral process is woefully inadequate and uh has a long way to go

[0:24:18] Voice 6: i think even to approach respectful so when when the planner mentions that we go up beyond the

[0:24:25] Voice 6: provincial um standard i think that's that's a fair statement the province is pretty it's pretty

[0:24:32] Voice 5: uh uh lackluster they're sort of bare bones but um go to this gentleman here my name is lauren

[0:24:41] Voice 5: I represent the Montague Improvement District. We supply a safe and secure potable water

[0:24:48] Voice 5: source to a lot of the residences in and around the student's property. We are in receipt

[0:24:54] Voice 5: of a letter from those residents on the arm that serves the student's property. I realize

[0:25:00] Voice 5: that the variances that the property owner has applied for is not applied to the rear

[0:25:06] Voice 5: of the property where the uh the previous um don scoons erected a fence and hedge at the rear of

[0:25:14] Voice 5: the property that happens to be um on what we believe is road allowance and right over top of

[0:25:20] Voice 5: our montague improvement district infrastructure so um while our concern is not with any of the

[0:25:25] Voice 5: other variances it is with this particular because we need to be able to access number one our

[0:25:30] Voice 5: infrastructure for repairs and for ongoing maintenance and improvements when when being

[0:25:36] Voice 5: necessary and uh we just want to make sure that whatever happens or transpires that that

[0:25:42] Voice 5: the islands trust people do not look past the fact that there is a there is a breach

[0:25:49] Voice 5: or a or an illegal barrier put there which impedes our ability to service our infrastructure

[0:25:57] Voice 5: So I just want to bring that to your attention. I want to make sure that we have unfettered access to that infrastructure, regardless of who owns

[0:26:04] Voice 5: the property, right?

[0:26:05] Voice 5: And if that fence or impediment is not removed, we need to be able to obviously have access to that.

[0:26:12] Voice 5: Okay, thank you for that, and I'll go up first here.

[0:26:18] Voice 3: Hi, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak. My name is Jan T. Court and Swan, and I live beside the Schoon State property.

[0:26:24] Voice 3: I'd like to bring to the trustee's attention the sort of dismay, a bit of confusion, a betrayal that the adjacent properties and the property owners around Montague Harbour are feeling with this DPV arriving and it feels like it's painting over multiple violations.

[0:26:41] Voice 3: I want to bring to your attention all four lotsides.

[0:26:46] Voice 3: Everybody has been affected.

[0:26:48] Voice 3: There's a DPA-2 zone, a DPA-10 zone.

[0:26:53] Voice 3: There's rock walls stacked on the high slope, moderate zone.

[0:26:58] Voice 3: There's film put on for the sewage on the DPA-2 zone.

[0:27:02] Voice 3: There is a cottage 15 inches off of my property line at Zero Setback

[0:27:08] Voice 3: that was given a permit for um uh no habitation allowed no human habitation allowed in there

[0:27:16] Voice 3: well there's a bathroom a stove not a stove sorry kitchen i like to call it it's still

[0:27:21] Voice 3: a cottage without a stove and it's everybody lives there it's advertised in the real estate

[0:27:28] Voice 3: board as a office a studio anything you can use and it's on part of it is on the dp2 zone

[0:27:35] Voice 3: on um i'd like to suggest the cottage gets moved we've it's we see houses we'll buy our

[0:27:42] Voice 3: every summer they're moving along the boats it's only 939 square feet uh someone can use it in the

[0:27:49] Voice 3: gallery on a co-op housing and pop it on an acreage wow wouldn't that be great so there's

[0:27:55] Voice 3: an answer there so i'm trying to be concise but moving forward what are we going to do with this

[0:28:02] Voice 3: multiple violations most of the walls when i deserve that map we've spoken to the previous

[0:28:08] Voice 3: one on our property with that cabin she basically gave up and sold it she had loud music the tenant

[0:28:15] Voice 3: that was in there you know had this sort of creepy feeling because he's lifted the elevation of the

[0:28:19] Voice 3: property so they're working with us so i'd really like the trust to not approve this dpv but help

[0:28:27] Voice 3: us as property owners move forward and what are we going to do how do we how does how how do we

[0:28:33] Voice 3: is anything going to get done what can get done and it would be nice to have that move forward

[0:28:40] Voice 3: we've been told continually by the state that they'd love to fix their father's mistakes

[0:28:45] Voice 3: i was expecting an excavator to arrive and it to be done uh at no time is this done we're

[0:28:54] Voice 3: So I appeal to the trust to help us move forward.

[0:28:58] Voice 6: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:29:00] Voice 6: And I'm just going to pause for a moment

[0:29:02] Voice 6: because I got a message,

[0:29:03] Voice 6: our file enforcement manager, Warren Digman,

[0:29:06] Voice 6: I think

[0:29:07] Voice 5: was going to speak to the issue of the expired TUPs.

[0:29:10] Voice 5: Go ahead, Warren.

[0:29:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Good afternoon, chair, committee.

[0:29:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yes, in reference to all of the TUPs that were issued

[0:29:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and then expired,

[0:29:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: expired uh i believe we have followed up on all of them uh we did create a list and track when

[0:29:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they're going to expire and then monitor for compliance and tell those operators who were

[0:29:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not complying to comply with the land use bylaw as the temporary use permit has expired so i believe

[0:29:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we followed up on them all if there's anyone that has a concern as planners talked to stated earlier

[0:29:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you can contact me or submit a new complaint regarding any short-term vacation rental and

[0:29:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we can follow up on that operation okay

[0:29:56] Voice 6: thank you for that

[0:30:00] Voice 6: all right i know i saw a couple more hands up where were they uh yes back here steven thank you

[0:30:05] Voice 5: gentlemen i would uh hope that the uh trustees would not give blinded absolution uh for the

[0:30:16] Voice 5: durians as you requested the spoons uh uh request as some of these byline infractions uh have

[0:30:26] Voice 5: have effects well beyond the property line.

[0:30:28] Voice 5: Most of the

[0:30:29] Voice 5: areas that are contained within property lines

[0:30:31] Voice 5: and really don't affect the general negative benefits.

[0:30:37] Voice 5: One of my concerns is the request to legalize

[0:30:42] Voice 5: the encroachment into the MOTI road allowance.

[0:30:48] Voice 5: The question here is would approval of that automatically

[0:30:56] Voice 5: increase the lot size and does affect the lot covered ratio.

[0:31:05] Voice 4: And in respect to that particular

[0:31:09] Voice 4: variance, it does affect the MID.

[0:31:13] Voice 5: I believe that they should get some sort of relief to access

[0:31:17] Voice 5: their infrastructure within that Moki Road Alliance. They are a public body offering public

[0:31:25] Voice 5: services. In order to get a variance, I believe the landowner could find some sort of community

[0:31:32] Voice 5: benefit. Maybe as suggested, move the hedge and the fence to ensure that MID has access

[0:31:41] Voice 5: to its infrastructure and services. Secondly, I would encourage the trustees to look closely

[0:31:51] Voice 5: at some of the recommendations surrounding the accessibility building. Don't approve

[0:31:58] Voice 5: any of the minor setback variances requested. Put those into abeyance until the nature issue

[0:32:07] Voice 5: of lot coverage and use of the accessory dwelling can be addressed. Then deal with the setbacks

[0:32:16] Voice 5: and those major issues in one go do not split a request okay

[0:32:24] Voice 6: okay thank you and just for clarity

[0:32:27] Voice 6: uh the midi ticket to be the montague improvement district yes okay thank you um let's see more

[0:32:34] Voice 6: hands anyone else has spoken for a first time okay and then uh so second time around i'll start with

[0:32:43] Voice 6: you thanks

[0:32:44] Voice 4: mr chairman um what i'd like to do

[0:32:47] Voice 5: is pull up the what i call the deck what do you call

[0:32:50] Voice 5: the um yeah and i'd like you to draw your attention to um page number 24 which shows

[0:32:59] Voice 5: an aerial photograph of the um assumes property the sergeant's property and our property um and

[0:33:07] Voice 5: I'll just give you a moment to pull that up and I'm on page 24 and it's 2.1 and it's the ortho zoning

[0:33:17] Voice 5: and has everybody got it ready yeah okay so one thing you'll notice is this accessory building

[0:33:26] Voice 5: which is the building that's very close to the yellow line on the left side of the students

[0:33:31] Voice 5: this property lot. If you look at its proximity to our house, it couldn't be any closer. It is

[0:33:38] Voice 5: inches from the property line from the roof of the Eves, and it is exactly adjacent to our house,

[0:33:45] Voice 5: which we just find infuriating. The other thing I'd like to point out is the parking lot, which

[0:33:50] Voice 5: is just to the road of the auxiliary accessory building, I'm sorry, is right to the parking lot.

[0:33:58] Voice 5: So people open the gates, they come down the driveway, they come right down, right to where that cottage is, and then they get out of their cars.

[0:34:07] Voice 5: Well, look at where that is relative to our property.

[0:34:10] Voice 5: They're literally driving right adjacent to our lot.

[0:34:13] Voice 5: When someone stands on that parking lot, we can see the toes of their shoes when they're on the edge because the parking lot goes right to the property lot.

[0:34:23] Voice 5: That's how absurd this situation is.

[0:34:27] Voice 5: The other thing I'd like to point out on this area photograph is the float. There's a development

[0:34:34] Voice 5: permit for the float, but the current regulation for float size is 35 square meters. This float is

[0:34:42] Voice 5: 1.9%, so over 90% larger than what was in the rules. But I would ask that the development permit

[0:34:54] Voice 5: for the float we looked at,

[0:34:56] Voice 5: because I know that that float is bigger

[0:34:59] Voice 5: than what was specified in there.

[0:35:01] Voice 5: And I also know that Mr. Dingman is going after people

[0:35:04] Voice 5: that have oversized floats,

[0:35:05] Voice 5: even if their development permit sanctioned it,

[0:35:08] Voice 5: because the rules take precedent over a development permit.

[0:35:14] Voice 5: So that's what I'd like to point out to there.

[0:35:16] Voice 5: So then if we could move on,

[0:35:18] Voice 5: and please, Mr. Chairman, stop me

[0:35:20] Voice 5: as soon as the buzzer goes,

[0:35:21] Voice 5: and then I'll go yield to somebody else.

[0:35:26] Voice 5: If you look at page 25, 2.3, or I guess it's 2.2,

[0:35:33] Voice 5: you'll see that there's a steep slope high hazard area

[0:35:36] Voice 5: and a moderate one, yellow is moderate, red is red.

[0:35:40] Voice 5: And there is a approximately 10 foot high

[0:35:44] Voice 5: sack rock retaining wall in that area

[0:35:48] Voice 5: with no geotechnical report to review it.

[0:35:53] Voice 5: And there's the corresponding up to 10 feet of overburden

[0:35:58] Voice 5: on top of that in the DPA2 zone,

[0:36:02] Voice 5: which is the most highly sensitive ecological area

[0:36:06] Voice 5: in the marine lot.

[0:36:09] Voice 5: This doesn't seem to have any impact on the proposed EVP.

[0:36:13] Voice 5: um it's reasonable um to put that wall there um with the with uh the pathetic setback and put

[0:36:22] Voice 5: onto a high hazard area in a dpa2 zone i i don't know what the rack and now who that is okay

[0:36:31] Voice 5: and i'll pause

[0:36:32] Voice 5: there thank you okay uh when

[0:36:35] Voice 7: you're

[0:36:37] Voice 5: considering a dbp is it possible to

[0:36:49] Voice 5: I have read the application and I agree with previous speakers that this application is

[0:36:59] Voice 5: problematic for the reasons mentioned is that if approved it makes a poor example for others

[0:37:08] Voice 5: especially those with active infractions and i've come to a bit of a problem here because

[0:37:16] Voice 5: the trust is now voting on somebody's application that has if not active infractions actual

[0:37:24] Voice 5: infractions and one of our trustees actually has active infractions so how is that vote

[0:37:34] Voice 5: going to run out uh there may be a conflict of interest uh that i can see because of the

[0:37:41] Voice 5: situation so i just like to point that out

[0:37:44] Voice 6: okay and uh that you or other folks have brought that

[0:37:49] Voice 6: up that in case anyone wasn't here when i spoke to it earlier uh it's not that it's not the um

[0:37:58] Voice 6: jurisdiction of this body to rule on the conflicts of interest of its members it is up to the

[0:38:03] Voice 6: the individual to either refuse themself or not.

[0:38:07] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:38:09] Voice 6: Just to reiterate that it's not the role of the committee

[0:38:14] Voice 6: to make those determinations.

[0:38:16] Voice 6: It's up to the individual to either recuse or not recuse.

[0:38:20] Voice 6: And

[0:38:20] Voice 5: so just wanted to reiterate that

[0:38:23] Voice 5: in case anyone hadn't heard me say that.

[0:38:25] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:38:26] Voice 5: All right,

[0:38:27] Voice 6: then I know I saw,

[0:38:29] Voice 6: did I see another hand in front here?

[0:38:30] Voice 6: here? Nope. Okay. Anyone else? I'll give you one more go and

[0:38:36] Voice 6: then we'll call it a call it around.

[0:38:40] Voice 6: Sounds sounds like you should have asked for a delegation

[0:38:42] Voice 6: that he would have had 10 minutes.

[0:38:45] Voice 7: Okay,

[0:38:46] Voice 5: so I'd like to now draw your attention to slide 26,

[0:38:49] Voice 5: which is the plan of the property. And you look over on

[0:38:56] Voice 5: the left hand side near the water and you'll see a dotted

[0:38:59] Voice 5: in line and that wall is one and a half meters from our property. This wall is eight feet high

[0:39:08] Voice 5: down at the water and then it goes down to about three feet by the time you get to the accessory

[0:39:13] Voice 5: building. The wall is unsightly. It raises the grade of the area where you see where the septic

[0:39:20] Voice 5: field and all that. I call it the flat top. It's basically an aircraft carrier with grass on it

[0:39:26] Voice 5: And the deer used to run across it and jump over the six foot fence and come right into our yard.

[0:39:31] Voice 5: It's a problem with what sits there right now.

[0:39:34] Voice 5: Then there's the point four law, which is just by the accessory building.

[0:39:40] Voice 5: That law's purpose is to hold the back of the soil so they can put the illegal accessory building on it.

[0:39:46] Voice 5: So I don't have much patience with that one.

[0:39:49] Voice 5: If you move further up the property line, you'll see that there's these posts, and it's

[0:39:55] Voice 5: right adjacent to the plan to your left.

[0:39:57] Voice 5: That wall isn't in the proposed DBP, nor is the wall further up to the road, not in the

[0:40:04] Voice 5: DBP.

[0:40:05] Voice 5: You'll see that the wall that is close to the word plan is right on the property line.

[0:40:10] Voice 5: It's a machine-placed, four-foot-by-two-foot-by-two-foot interlocking block wall, and it's right on

[0:40:17] Voice 5: the property line and it's what makes it so that the parking lot can come right out through our

[0:40:21] Voice 5: property line the red line you see which is parallel to the accessory building six meters

[0:40:27] Voice 5: of that shouldn't be there either because that's in the setback area that also isn't in the in the

[0:40:32] Voice 5: proposed development perfect um so my question is what happens to if the dvp was approved as written

[0:40:40] Voice 5: does that mean those walls get removed tomorrow because they're not covered by the variants

[0:40:45] Voice 5: and they certainly are in violation with the um with the um so um and if i've got time i'd like

[0:40:54] Voice 5: to go on to the next slide um this is a picture 2.5 of this accessory building um and you can see

[0:41:03] Voice 5: that blackberry it basically is the pants so it's it's right against our property if you go to the

[0:41:10] Voice 5: next um slide it shows the another view looking out towards the road and how close it is to our

[0:41:16] Voice 5: property um then because in the interest of time um i want to move on i'd like to move this slide

[0:41:24] Voice 5: on for page 29 and you can see the uh pump house building and the pump house building um

[0:41:32] Voice 5: has um got this enormous extension on it i mean a pump house if it's less than 10 square meters can

[0:41:38] Voice 5: be um doesn't require setback but i look at this building and it's quite alarming that does not

[0:41:44] Voice 5: look like a 10 meter building to me and it looks like it violates um the bible and i'll use my time

[0:41:51] Voice 5: again thank you mr chairman

[0:41:52] Voice 7: well

[0:41:54] Voice 5: thank you for that

[0:41:54] Voice 6: and just for uh future reference outside of

[0:41:58] Voice 6: the town hall uh opportunity here which is a little slightly less formal

[0:42:03] Voice 6: there are uh individuals and

[0:42:06] Voice 6: groups can uh ask to be a delegation which uh

[0:42:10] Voice 5: give you more time and um um we just for written

[0:42:16] Voice 6: submissions in advance and that sort of thing but that just for future reference for anyone that

[0:42:22] Voice 6: that's that's a way to get a bit more time i get one more practice um i'm just going to look and

[0:42:29] Voice 6: see if there's any more show of hands and and i do want us to move along i think we've uh exceeded

[0:42:36] Voice 6: at our normal

[0:42:37] Voice 5: allotment of time here today but maybe i'll also look to the trustees to see if

[0:42:41] Voice 5: there's uh some desire

[0:42:43] Voice 6: so one more round uh all for any more hands not seeing any trustees do you

[0:42:50] Voice 6: want to let the gentleman make one more point or should we move on

[0:42:52] Voice 5: okay i i

[0:42:54] Voice 5: really appreciate that

[0:42:56] Voice 5: um what i'd like to draw your attention to is the um impact assessment that um i carried out what i

[0:43:05] Voice 5: I did is I took the criteria that was in the staff report, which I found very helpful. It's

[0:43:12] Voice 5: basically what you need to be mindful of if you're thinking of an island trust person on what you

[0:43:18] Voice 5: need to do when you're dealing with setbacks. And so I selected five criteria that were applicable

[0:43:24] Voice 5: to the spoons law. And I applied that five criteria to 14 violations, which means I took

[0:43:32] Voice 5: a lens five lenses and looked at 14 violations so i'm basically assessing those violations 70

[0:43:40] Voice 5: different ways and the outcome of that assessment was so clear that this is not reasonable that

[0:43:48] Voice 5: there the the violations um should not be um picked up in the development experiment

[0:43:54] Voice 5: experiment and um and the analysis shows that and i would ask that um that the islands trust um look

[0:44:02] Voice 5: at that um the other thing is since i've compiled a list of suggested actions i suggest that the um

[0:44:12] Voice 5: island stress denied the proposed evp is written request vital enforcement to remove all the

[0:44:17] Voice 5: previous review all the previous dvps bps bes for conformity because the paperwork doesn't match

[0:44:25] Voice 5: what's really there request staff to compile an exhaustive list of violations on the property

[0:44:31] Voice 5: we're not even congruent on what the violations are they're numerous request staff to carry out

[0:44:37] Voice 5: setback variance impact assessment like what i did but i'm just a property engineer i believe

[0:44:43] Voice 5: they need to carry out their own and recommend corrective action review the existing quote

[0:44:48] Voice 5: sites with the enforcement officer review the authenticity of designating the structure as an

[0:44:54] Voice 5: accessory building order a geotechnical report to assess the safety of removing the rock retaining

[0:44:59] Voice 5: walls located in dpa 7. order environmental study on how to mitigate the impacts in the epa 2 area

[0:45:07] Voice 5: initiate a development permit to define the physical work that will be undertaken to bring

[0:45:12] Voice 5: the property into compliance with all applicable violence file an authoritative letter untitled

[0:45:19] Voice 5: advising prospective purchasers that the entire property is under regulatory review

[0:45:25] Voice 5: and removal of structures in the setback areas may be required somebody's going to get sued

[0:45:30] Voice 5: the authorities keep the adjacent property under surprise of the progress made so this doesn't

[0:45:36] Voice 5: just sort of fall into the uh the backdrop um and i've got a request for um a number of documents

[0:45:44] Voice 5: so that i can verify um development permits um there's three documents on title that i

[0:45:50] Voice 5: i can't get so i would like to be able to look at that and so i can provide the appendix a

[0:45:57] Voice 5: attendance and so that you have sure and then i would

[0:46:04] Voice 6: just say that if there's uh if there's

[0:46:07] Voice 6: information as you just mentioned uh check in with staff and see if we have that information

[0:46:13] Voice 6: available um some information you may have to you know file freedom information request i'm not sure

[0:46:21] Voice 6: which which is right but definitely step checking with staff what we have that we're allowed to

[0:46:26] Voice 6: share with you we'll absolutely share okay very good i appreciate that thank you okay so we're

[0:46:32] Voice 6: going to move along um we have no community information meeting or

[0:46:37] Voice 5: public hearing today

[0:46:39] Voice 5: uh so our next item is at 10.1 we have the uh minutes of the regular meeting of december 12th

[0:46:47] Voice 5: for adoption with any development strategies no i'll take it by general percent that those

[0:46:52] Voice 5: pants are adopted as presented and then we have a uh resolutions meeting report on page eight

[0:47:00] Voice 5: any questions around that straightforward we

[0:47:04] Voice 6: have no advisory planning commission minutes today

[0:47:08] Voice 6: and so that takes us to the follow-up action list dated february 2024 on page nine and i'll

[0:47:16] Voice 6: local staff if there's anything you'd like to um draw attention to on that list

[0:47:21] Voice 5: uh we don't want

[0:47:22] Voice 5: you on the list but i wanted to provide just a small update in regards to nesting neighborly

[0:47:30] Voice 5: i spoke to in regards to the affordable housing options and cottages we did sit down with justine

[0:47:38] Voice 5: start who is the crd manager of southern gulf island service delivery and so she's well versed

[0:47:47] Voice 5: in housing affordable housing initiative crd and so she's quite interested in the possibility of

[0:47:56] Voice 5: stratifying a cottage but as trustee maberly i'm not sure if you mentioned earlier but

[0:48:05] Voice 5: but their requirement may be to rent that cottage out for a period of time for an under-market value.

[0:48:18] Voice 5: So that's something that she's interested in.

[0:48:21] Voice 5: My suggestion is that perhaps we can schedule a meeting with yourself as well,

[0:48:28] Voice 3: or we can invite her to an LTC meeting,

[0:48:31] Voice 3: meeting and then she can speak to what is happening at the CRD level and perhaps

[0:48:35] Voice 3: Paul Brent can also

[0:48:37] Voice 3: join us but if the LTC did want to initiate any changes around that it would be land use bylaw

[0:48:43] Voice 3: and OCP bylaw amendments so

[0:48:46] Voice 5: that may be a future project that we can keep in the background

[0:48:49] Voice 5: after we complete the groundwater sustainability project. Yeah

[0:48:54] Voice 7: I can appreciate that. Would you

[0:48:56] Voice 5: like me to

[0:48:56] Voice 3: extend an invitation to justine stark and pal brent for the next next ltc meeting or

[0:49:04] Voice 3: would you like to wait well

[0:49:05] Voice 5: i have a meeting with um the crd director and a couple other folks sort

[0:49:09] Voice 5: of concerning this same topic on the

[0:49:11] Voice 5: 29th of february so we'll have that meeting and then maybe

[0:49:13] Voice 5: go forward from there okay yeah i think it'd be nice for the um you

[0:49:19] Voice 6: know certainly for myself

[0:49:20] Voice 6: probably for trustee gabriel as well at some point have a some kind of discussion with the

[0:49:26] Voice 6: local trust committee so that we're all kind of up to speed especially if we're especially if

[0:49:31] Voice 6: there's consideration of turning this into a

[0:49:33] Voice 8: project down

[0:49:34] Voice 6: the road so um i just wanted to

[0:49:38] Voice 6: just keep in touch with trustee neighborly keep in touch with the planner and then what sort of

[0:49:42] Voice 6: if you've got the app maybe after that scheduled meeting that you have we can we can look at it

[0:49:46] Voice 6: inviting them to a uh an ltc meeting here and right now

[0:49:50] Voice 5: it's all on the same sort of page of

[0:49:54] Voice 5: what we know awesome uh so anything else on the follow-up action list today all right and okay

[0:50:04] Voice 5: then we will move on to uh applications uh of course i think we're moving along fairly quickly

[0:50:27] Voice 5: um so i'm implying to not take a break at this point unless you are

[0:50:33] Voice 8: wondering what else

[0:50:34] Voice 5: yes good

[0:50:43] Voice 6: point let's we'll take a break to to remind everyone there's

[0:50:47] Voice 6: hearing about being yeah how much i certainly appreciate that it's made available here on

[0:50:55] Voice 6: galliano it doesn't happen on every island i'll tell you right now

[0:51:01] Voice 6: so moving

[0:51:02] Voice 5: along to section 15 in application referrals uh the first item is on page 11 we have

[0:51:09] Voice 5: a uh referral for draft bylaw number 536 from salt spring island local press committee i happen to be

[0:51:19] Voice 5: the chair of their report on page 11 starting and i don't know if we have any staff comments

[0:51:33] Voice 5: on this and then i'll let the trustees uh well it's interesting um wow i'm still trying to wrap

[0:51:41] Voice 5: my head around what what we can say in our referral back and then that would change uh

[0:51:47] Voice 5: much my understanding the public hearing hasn't been scheduled yet and that the reply was

[0:51:52] Voice 5: was requested for January 8. So I'm not sure too much time

[0:51:57] Voice 5: has passed.

[0:52:01] Voice 5: I did note that the

[0:52:06] Voice 5: salt spring I was just highlighted the fact that they

[0:52:09] Voice 5: don't need to be fluttered. That was important. And then I was

[0:52:13] Voice 5: curious if that area was serviceable by the fire

[0:52:16] Voice 5: department. Doesn't seem to be kind of at the end of logging

[0:52:20] Voice 5: rose it's unclear but yeah

[0:52:25] Voice 6: and i

[0:52:27] Voice 6: i don't know enough about the buyer access to every question

[0:52:31] Voice 6: yes

[0:52:32] Voice 5: certainly the the you know the local trust committee felt satisfied with

[0:52:41] Voice 5: yes getting in and ultimately our our um response is you know basically when we want to take one of

[0:52:53] Voice 5: these boxes and uh yeah um so i'm happy to hear where you guys are at today yeah i'm interested

[0:53:01] Voice 5: unaffected by it quite a long time yeah um i just have um you know read through it and uh

[0:53:11] Voice 5: my only real concern is that

[0:53:14] Voice 5: in the consultation

[0:53:15] Voice 5: Leyland-Puakwe

[0:53:16] Voice 5: isn't listed. It's a local

[0:53:19] Voice 5: First Nations group.

[0:53:21] Voice 5: I think a consultation or at least

[0:53:23] Voice 5: a referral to that group

[0:53:24] Voice 5: should take place as well.

[0:53:27] Voice 5: It should be included in the list of referrals.

[0:53:29] Voice 6: Yeah, now in terms of

[0:53:31] Voice 6: the timing

[0:53:34] Voice 6: that

[0:53:34] Voice 5: local group

[0:53:35] Voice 5: has been added to our list.

[0:53:38] Voice 5: It's just not.

[0:53:39] Voice 5: it didn't it didn't hit this referral but that that's now part of our standard procedure is

[0:53:45] Voice 5: there now on our list oh great and weren't until you know earlier in the last year or something

[0:53:52] Voice 5: yeah perfect i mean what was the name of the group it's like right okay so

[0:54:03] Voice 5: So in terms of the response, often there's a suggested resolution, but I'm not seeing

[0:54:12] Voice 5: one here.

[0:54:14] Voice 5: I think Lisa pretty much had it where her interests are unaffected.

[0:54:18] Voice 6: Yeah, I

[0:54:18] Voice 6: mean, yeah, there's a box

[0:54:20] Voice 6: to take care of, but I think that we need to do that

[0:54:22] Voice 6: by resolution.

[0:54:25] Voice 6: So I'll just go ahead and take a stab at it.

[0:54:28] Voice 6: um

[0:54:29] Voice 5: so i move that the jalapeno island a local trust committee respond to the salt spring island

[0:54:39] Voice 5: ltc referral for bylaw number 536 as interests unaffected exactly yep that's great thank you

[0:54:50] Voice 5: i'll second that thank you okay any further discussion i'll call the question all in favor

[0:54:56] Voice 5: and that gets okay and that brings us then to page uh 15 and this is this

[0:55:07] Voice 5: gun's uh developed very experiment application and i'm passing over to planet doctor okay so

[0:55:17] Voice 5: uh this is for the new application for a development variance permit at

[0:55:21] Voice 5: new 2007 on the road and i look into the secret variances for the eight structures on the property

[0:55:30] Voice 5: and previously mentioned the uh for the accessory building which is shown in blue

[0:55:38] Voice 5: is in the sidewalk setback um the original building was constructed in the 70s and was

[0:55:45] Voice 5: was reconstructed in 2006 with CRD, with a CRD permit.

[0:55:52] Voice 5: This building has been moved and by that definition

[0:55:58] Voice 5: in the Galleon land use file, it does not meet

[0:56:01] Voice 5: the definition of human habitation or dwelling.

[0:56:08] Voice 5: The house shown in orange in the front lawn setback

[0:56:12] Voice 5: is was originally constructed in the 1950s and received an addition in 1973 um this building

[0:56:21] Voice 5: has pre-existing like the most pre-existent on formal status um so it's an experience just to

[0:56:28] Voice 5: certify compliance uh the next building would be the woodshed slash pump house which was built in

[0:56:35] Voice 5: 1982. And at the time of construction, the the 10 meter

[0:56:42] Voice 5: square building would have been compliant and allowed in that

[0:56:47] Voice 5: setback area as a pump house. And soon there will be more

[0:56:53] Voice 5: area calculations change in the Galliano land is quite a lot so

[0:56:58] Voice 5: that over and included and then population so

[0:57:05] Voice 5: as well. And the rock refilling walls, as well as the natural boundary setback are long

[0:57:25] Voice 5: standing on the property and contain the sewage absorption field, which was permitted by the

[0:57:31] Voice 5: Vancouver Island Health Authority in 2005. And its location while in natural boundary

[0:57:38] Voice 5: setback. It's also located outside of the 30-meter setback required for wells, which

[0:57:45] Voice 5: is in that warehouse. It's at 32 meters away from the well. I know that speaking to the

[0:57:55] Voice 5: law, coverage has been left off of this permit and for future owners to consider it while

[0:58:00] Voice 5: we construct it. So in regarding the paving, we're going to be doubling the future

[0:58:07] Voice 5: uh their bylaw or through construction to rearrange the siting and the

[0:58:12] Voice 5: the amount of coverage on the property um and as for the the dogs um this was permitted in 2005 i

[0:58:26] Voice 5: believe in the uh in a development permit and that size was permitted as a variance in the permit

[0:58:32] Voice 5: um so uh yeah so applicant uh who's here this week the application if she pleases um is seeking

[0:58:49] Voice 5: variance to clean

[0:58:49] Voice 4: up the property

[0:58:50] Voice 5: prior to selling um and based on the information the

[0:58:55] Voice 5: rationale for the variance is considered reasonable

[0:59:03] Voice 5: for enforcement of lot coverage and non-compliance with the owner so it's recommended to galeano

[0:59:11] Voice 5: island local trust committee approve issuance of development for various permit applications

[0:59:19] Voice 5: okay

[0:59:22] Voice 6: thank you and this is the applicant want to address the local trust committee

[0:59:27] Voice 6: I

[0:59:28] Voice 5: do, actually. Thanks so much for wanting to speak, Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity

[0:59:36] Voice 5: to bring the application forward. I know that my dad didn't always follow the rules, as we

[0:59:46] Voice 5: have noted. My situation is rather unique in that I'm an executive of my dad's estate,

[0:59:54] Voice 5: and I'm required to sell the property.

[0:59:58] Voice 5: I don't have the authority.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: nor the means to do any of these corrections to the property.

[1:00:04] Voice 5: I felt that bringing an application forward to the Island Trust

[1:00:08] Voice 5: would allow for the property to come into compliance with a future owner

[1:00:14] Voice 5: so that I am relieved of my obligation to that estate.

[1:00:21] Voice 5: I know there are issues and I appreciate all of the concerns that may be set forth.

[1:00:27] Voice 5: forward um i do want to see this property come into compliance um and i'm kind of in that

[1:00:34] Voice 5: rock and a hard place um i have to spell as a as my db for executive i must i don't have a choice

[1:00:45] Voice 5: um i have to go without the means to make any of these i appeal to the committee to

[1:00:54] Voice 5: to approve this application so that the property can come into compliance in the future hey thank

[1:01:03] Voice 5: you uh trustees with planning or applicants um i've met with um some of the local um landowners

[1:01:16] Voice 5: um this is a tough one um i knew john you know i mean i worked with john for a long time and uh

[1:01:27] Voice 5: Yeah. Yeah. John was John, you know, and that's, you know, we're working with old-timers here, right?

[1:01:36] Voice 5: So, I mean, for me, it's where do we find a balance here that doesn't, you know, destroy the property, doesn't make it impossible for you to move forward, and also doesn't make it possible for you guys to move forward either, right?

[1:01:55] Voice 5: and one of my big concerns is is the fence and the pump posts over top of the water line the

[1:02:02] Voice 5: district water line and if there was some way we can amend to bring that into compliance i think

[1:02:10] Voice 5: that's a big step in the neighborhood to giving access because the problem you're going to run

[1:02:14] Voice 5: into and i'm not saying realtors won't disclose but you know they sometimes are a little fuzzy

[1:02:19] Voice 5: you know how they explain to new owners exactly what their obligations are um you know for a new

[1:02:26] Voice 5: owner to come in and sort of assume that everything inside the fence is untouched and is going to

[1:02:33] Voice 5: remain untouched is is not fair um you know i i think if somehow we could we could solve that

[1:02:43] Voice 5: problem sure yeah

[1:02:45] Voice 7: we can have it

[1:02:46] Voice 5: back and forth i'm fully aware of the situation you've been with

[1:02:50] Voice 5: And I totally sympathize. It was completely uncalled for the way that fence and hedge was constructed. And I, as the owner on title, I would totally close on anything to listen to these issues that have to be addressed.

[1:03:10] Voice 5: And the road allowance does extend into the property to that edge where the pump house has been anywhere up next to that.

[1:03:20] Voice 5: And to me, that's the natural boundary of that property.

[1:03:23] Voice 5: And that should be returned to that boundary, which would allow for the NID.

[1:03:30] Voice 5: And to be honest, too, I've never denied any access to the NID.

[1:03:33] Voice 5: I've said, no,

[1:03:35] Voice 5: absolutely, you can come onto the property and do whatever it is you feel like you can do.

[1:03:40] Voice 5: I appreciate the situation. I do know that, you know, for whatever reason, you know, we'll never understand what was in my dad's head, but they have to be, they have to be corrected.

[1:03:57] Voice 5: to they must in order to deploy um so i i would i don't know whether it's mpi that's possible i

[1:04:04] Voice 5: don't know anything about the highways i mean i don't own that property no no but it's actually

[1:04:10] Voice 5: the landowner's responsibility to move the fence right and bring itself bring that up so that um

[1:04:15] Voice 5: highways is not encroaching on highways so that if so you know for me we're talking about amending

[1:04:23] Voice 5: is very that's where i'm going um no i understand and i understand that but we're speaking about

[1:04:31] Voice 5: the issues with the property right um

[1:04:40] Voice 5: no i i understand i mean it's it's the but the pump place is in there right so we're talking

[1:04:48] Voice 5: talking about um um doing some corrective work that is within our variance the amendment

[1:04:54] Voice 5: within the variance is a pumpkin let's just make

[1:04:56] Voice 5: a suggestion is it possible for me to

[1:04:58] Voice 5: make a suggestion um but are

[1:05:01] Voice 6: you an applicant or do you have like a i'm a chair of the mid

[1:05:06] Voice 6: oh you're okay yeah go ahead sorry um

[1:05:09] Voice 5: it's it's clear to me that the the fence should

[1:05:13] Voice 5: not have been erected and it's also clear to me that kate doesn't have the means to

[1:05:16] Voice 5: move the tenants. It's not within the purview of the MID to spend funds that people have charged

[1:05:23] Voice 5: us to be responsible for to make sure that those funds are used into the delivery of safe and

[1:05:29] Voice 5: potable water. But what we can do perhaps is put some type of a structure inside of the property,

[1:05:38] Voice 5: albeit a cap or something the size of a manhole cover that says property of MID do not remove.

[1:05:45] Voice 5: and and over top of the piping infrastructure there that were where we would need access to

[1:05:51] Voice 5: so that anyone who was going to think that that is their um their property it

[1:05:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is not their property

[1:05:58] Voice 5: also i would implore that kate also puts on their honor of sale agreement that that fence will

[1:06:05] Voice 5: eventually have to be moved okay it's already the structure if you look from the inside is starting

[1:06:12] Voice 5: to bow and I can tell you why it's starting to bow it's because when the MID put the infrastructure

[1:06:17] Voice 5: in we utilized a road culvert which we are supposed to do according to our guidelines in

[1:06:24] Voice 5: the MID manual but what has happened when the fence got put on there of course is that

[1:06:31] Voice 5: grains water and that piece is starting to that fence is starting to fail so it will naturally

[1:06:37] Voice 5: absolutely fall over in time but you know we just want to make sure that our infrastructure isn't

[1:06:43] Voice 5: damaged when that happens and also when that comes down then that tends to be moved to its proper

[1:06:47] Voice 5: value. I'm going to go to Trustee Cabrillo and see if she's got any questions. Uh yeah this is a hard one.

[1:06:58] Voice 5: I've gone through the elements of this report and I think we need to be cautious. I don't believe

[1:07:05] Voice 5: that all these variances are minor uh the property has about nothing but i'll give you my view of

[1:07:10] Voice 5: arbor which is one of the most beautiful places in canada um we need to keep in mind that shoreline

[1:07:18] Voice 5: preservation and marine protection is absolute requirement in our decision making uh yeah but

[1:07:28] Voice 5: given that aside i think the response from the engagement neighbors and the neighborhood um

[1:07:35] Voice 5: i don't believe that we should proceed any further with the dvp at this point

[1:07:39] Voice 5: um it's very plain that the neighbors are not uh perhaps the landlord uh can negotiate with

[1:07:47] Voice 5: the neighbors um give us some time for you and bring this proposal back in a future date okay

[1:07:57] Voice 5: um so i have a couple of questions um certainly the the sheer number of variances

[1:08:06] Voice 5: is kind of you know raising the eyebrows a little bit um

[1:08:11] Voice 6: um so one of them is is my understanding is

[1:08:17] Voice 6: that the portions uh where the fence is um is uh is multi right of way and there's been some sort

[1:08:27] Voice 6: of a grant of use there there's

[1:08:31] Voice 5: been a granted use for the pump house okay

[1:08:34] Voice 6: for the pump house

[1:08:35] Voice 6: but not the fencing and and stuff um

[1:08:38] Voice 5: the permit that we have uh identifies the pump house um i'm

[1:08:44] Voice 5: not sure if moti would require a permit for the fence yeah so i

[1:08:49] Voice 5: would imagine they would have

[1:08:50] Voice 5: reviewed that at that time when issuing the permit yeah

[1:08:54] Voice 6: so i guess i guess what i'm trying to sort of

[1:08:56] Voice 6: wrap my head around is um uh a buyer a future owner um sort of with a with an assumption that

[1:09:06] Voice 6: everything inside the fence um might belong with them i just like i know the the pump house but

[1:09:14] Voice 6: i'm just like it's not regular uh for folks to be building fences and such on

[1:09:23] Voice 6: multi right-of-way without not nowadays back

[1:09:27] Voice 5: in the day these things happen right

[1:09:29] Voice 5: so

[1:09:29] Voice 6: i'm just i'm just wondering about that how this interfaces with moti and the section of

[1:09:39] Voice 6: their right-of-way that's essentially like looks to the average viewer like it's part of the

[1:09:45] Voice 6: property i'm really thinking about a future like a buyer or a future owner and sort of the

[1:09:50] Voice 6: expectations around that um in terms in terms of what that means for the seller and and disclosure

[1:09:59] Voice 6: of information that's that's probably a legal consideration that's not really you know the

[1:10:05] Voice 6: jurisdiction of this this committee um uh one of the members of the public um suggested that uh

[1:10:17] Voice 6: that they thought that the law coverage issue should be addressed prior to the consideration

[1:10:22] Voice 6: of these other variances and I just want to before we move on I just wanted to check in

[1:10:31] Voice 6: with staff on like procedurally if that is a viable option just to answer that question

[1:10:39] Voice 6: for my own curiosity and for the benefit of the public so

[1:10:44] Voice 5: the applicant has the right to apply

[1:10:47] Voice 5: for whatever variance they're wishing for it to be granted.

[1:10:51] Voice 5: They don't have to include everything.

[1:10:53] Voice 5: They have a right to apply for what they wish.

[1:10:56] Voice 5: And as indicated in the staff report,

[1:10:59] Voice 5: the applicant has identified that they're going to leave

[1:11:01] Voice 5: a lot of coverage up to the new potential property owner

[1:11:05] Voice 5: to deal with and more than likely reduce it

[1:11:09] Voice 5: by removing the patio stones.

[1:11:10] Voice 5: But in terms of an applicant coming forward

[1:11:12] Voice 5: with a variance permit, they have the right to apply

[1:11:15] Voice 5: apply for what they wish. They're not required to apply for absolutely every item that's not in place.

[1:11:24] Voice 6: Okay, so to flip that, is it reasonable and procedurally correct, for example, for the Local Trust Committee

[1:11:35] Voice 6: to request that the lot coverage issue gets addressed before considering the other variances?

[1:11:42] Voice 3: what the

[1:11:43] Voice 5: lpc is request the applicant to include it in their application and what that would mean

[1:11:49] Voice 5: is staff would have to redraft the permit recirculate it and bring it back

[1:11:55] Voice 5: to yeah

[1:11:56] Voice 6: i just wanted

[1:11:57] Voice 5: to get some clarity

[1:11:58] Voice 5: on that because that was one of the

[1:12:00] Voice 5: very specific things that was brought up by a member of the public um trustees yeah

[1:12:07] Voice 5: Yeah, I get it.

[1:12:11] Voice 5: I mean, I personally, I look at the rock balls in the subject field

[1:12:16] Voice 5: and you start to move a hole in there and you start taking all that stuff out.

[1:12:21] Voice 5: You're probably doing as much damage to the property as you're not helping, right?

[1:12:29] Voice 5: The cabin or the accessory building, is it that important?

[1:12:39] Voice 5: if the accessory building that would cover off on your lot size coverage.

[1:12:46] Voice 5: I don't know, I mean, what's the middle ground here for me?

[1:12:50] Voice 5: That's what I say, is what is the middle ground here?

[1:12:52] Voice 5: We can't talk to the doc because it was ground experience for what it was

[1:12:57] Voice 5: and it's not COVID-19 as part of that.

[1:12:59] Voice 5: It's not part of this DP anyway.

[1:13:02] Voice 5: ways yeah um so if we if we stick to what's sort of in the dp um i mean i i i don't think it's fair

[1:13:15] Voice 5: to reject the dp and not give you a path forward i don't think that's fair i

[1:13:21] Voice 7: mean

[1:13:23] Voice 5: john was john john was old school i don't we all i mean this isn't the first or the last

[1:13:28] Voice 5: application of an old-timer's that we we've had to deal with and at some day somebody will have

[1:13:33] Voice 5: to deal with mine right

[1:13:35] Voice 7: so

[1:13:36] Voice 5: this is this is the world we live in right um but so i i'm just

[1:13:43] Voice 5: looking for a path forward here um with the applicant and and with the neighbors and with

[1:13:49] Voice 5: the water district thank you for your suggestion i mean i think it's reasonable right i just don't

[1:13:55] Voice 5: think it's reasonable to reject the application and and not give you a path forward um so

[1:14:04] Voice 5: yeah and certainly

[1:14:05] Voice 6: i mean it is uh out of our discretion to to uh amend and

[1:14:13] Voice 6: so how how we might want to do that can we ask the applicant um i i think it's perfectly reasonable

[1:14:20] Voice 6: to ask the applicant because there's um you know if we want to we

[1:14:26] Voice 5: want this to move forward in some

[1:14:28] Voice 5: way so that we get did those key stakeholders get a say in this as well

[1:14:32] Voice 6: well um if we're going to

[1:14:37] Voice 6: rent it i'll just check in with staff if we're recommending um changes amendments to this

[1:14:42] Voice 6: application then it's going to go back through staff if

[1:14:46] Voice 3: you're making it more restrictive that's

[1:14:48] Voice 3: something you can do at the meeting and improve it if you're

[1:14:50] Voice 3: making it more if you're taking away

[1:14:54] Voice 5: anything that needs to happen so if you're making it more restrictive you could do that okay but

[1:15:02] Voice 6: we're not

[1:15:02] Voice 5: permitting it oh right that's fine right

[1:15:04] Voice 6: i just wanted to check with that so um

[1:15:09] Voice 6: i guess what uh i mean i'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect that we can have

[1:15:18] Voice 6: um a conversation here that gets us to the the place of you

[1:15:26] Voice 5: know amending today in this meeting

[1:15:28] Voice 5: or whether this needs to be uh you know extended past today i'm just not sure i mean for for

[1:15:36] Voice 5: example uh you just mentioned that if the if

[1:15:41] Voice 6: the accessory dwelling um was gone then that addresses

[1:15:46] Voice 6: is the lot coverage but that's one of many things and i just don't know if we're going to get to the

[1:15:53] Voice 6: spot of amending it today in this meeting so yeah i think i agree

[1:16:00] Voice 5: it sounds to me like you

[1:16:01] Voice 5: have to make some decisions on what i have perceived for it if you've heard the options

[1:16:11] Voice 5: you know the concerns perhaps looking at the development permit and suggesting some amendments

[1:16:19] Voice 5: to us as well and we work our way through this cautiously by that too um i don't i mean if we

[1:16:34] Voice 5: don't this is the forum right we

[1:16:39] Voice 6: have everybody here well and i'll just just to clarify the

[1:16:43] Voice 6: reason i say i'm not sure if we can necessarily get through it today is there there may be some

[1:16:48] Voice 6: suggestions that the applicant would need to absolutely think about rather than you know say

[1:16:55] Voice 6: just as the example the accessory dwelling um the applicant may want to think about whether that's

[1:17:03] Voice 6: a reasonable thing to see you know i'm just we're not trying to presuppose what we may be able to

[1:17:09] Voice 6: accomplished today is all so that's the point yes if

[1:17:13] Voice 2: i can make it just a

[1:17:14] Voice 5: few comments so

[1:17:16] Voice 5: any structures that are within the right way that is between the property owner

[1:17:23] Voice 5: and also the utility service so that does go beyond i'm talking to cottage oh yeah okay i

[1:17:30] Voice 5: just wanted to mention closer that goes beyond what we're addressing today we

[1:17:33] Voice 5: understand um

[1:17:34] Voice 5: And in terms of the septic field and so forth, that was approved back in 2005.

[1:17:42] Voice 5: Of course, the accessory building, I hear that there is a concern with it being located so close to the lot line.

[1:17:51] Voice 5: And really, the only way to address that, I mean, the options from the LTC is approve or request it as is,

[1:17:58] Voice 5: potentially have a discussion with the applicant here to

[1:18:01] Voice 3: see if there's ability to push it more

[1:18:04] Voice 3: further into the property or

[1:18:07] Voice 5: or the ltc has to make the decision of denying that variance and

[1:18:13] Voice 5: they would have to then apply to the six meter setback so it may be worth the ltc going through

[1:18:20] Voice 5: each section of the variance permits and going over just discussing each topic and see what you

[1:18:26] Voice 5: may be comfortable with right now or what we may want to discuss with the applicants um i think

[1:18:32] Voice 5: that might help i might be going through yeah thanks for the suggestion does that seem like

[1:18:39] Voice 5: a reasonable approach okay so the uh the first uh item there in the 1.5 meter from the interior side

[1:18:48] Voice 5: hotline for the existing accessory belt building that seems like one of the one of the sticker

[1:18:55] Voice 5: your points yeah i'm sorry we have two different uh

[1:19:01] Voice 6: so it's page 15 uh and page one of the staff

[1:19:06] Voice 6: report okay

[1:19:07] Voice 5: or you could also page 67 of the agenda is the actual permit if you wanted to

[1:19:12] Voice 5: go through that as well oh okay yeah that's one way to look at it okay just from a process

[1:19:23] Voice 5: do you think it's better to go to the

[1:19:25] Voice 6: permit on 67 or okay let's let's go let's go official so then

[1:19:34] Voice 6: in that section um there's two items uh relating to the uh

[1:19:41] Voice 5: section 2.14 stating that uh building

[1:19:44] Voice 5: structures must be cited at least 7.5 meters from the natural boundary of the sea so there's two

[1:19:52] Voice 5: two variants there. One is the existing rock retaining wall within 2.5 meters and then

[1:20:00] Voice 5: there's the existing western fence within two meters. So should I

[1:20:07] Voice 7: ask a question or

[1:20:08] Voice 5: anything? Sorry, you know we're the most impacted by this. It might be based on the criteria

[1:20:17] Voice 5: to judge what you're assigning. You've got criteria dealing with setbacks and you're

[1:20:22] Voice 5: don't even know what's happening so here's the question if we take your premise and say too bad

[1:20:33] Voice 5: for you that would make the property unsaleable and property becomes abandoned and then basically

[1:20:39] Voice 5: you go okay is that a solution okay

[1:20:42] Voice 7: so i'm

[1:20:43] Voice 5: just gonna stop this right

[1:20:45] Voice 6: now because uh this is

[1:20:47] Voice 6: actually this is the point where the committee needs to deliberate and and one of the reasons

[1:20:54] Voice 6: is that i'm not going to allow you to speak right now it's because it started tuning into

[1:20:57] Voice 6: that fourth conversation it's actually the conversation for this committee to have

[1:21:01] Voice 6: and i understand you you've submitted a lot of material you have lots to say you probably have

[1:21:06] Voice 6: lots more to state i do

[1:21:07] Voice 5: however i'm not going to allow you to to to do that at this point because

[1:21:13] Voice 5: it's actually the committee needs to find our way forward here and that may be requesting more

[1:21:18] Voice 5: information i might do one of the options seriously yeah that's it's the process um

[1:21:26] Voice 5: so in terms of these uh these first two um under section eight on page 67 uh just looking at

[1:21:36] Voice 5: trustees um is this section one of the sections that gives you i

[1:21:43] Voice 7: think this would

[1:21:43] Voice 5: probably be one

[1:21:44] Voice 5: the closest of mine um and i say that and i go through this because i'm sitting at my kitchen

[1:21:51] Voice 5: table doing this exact exercise for this now i always come back to the fact that there is such

[1:21:58] Voice 5: opposition from the neighborhood the word of my uh where does my decision come from how do i get

[1:22:05] Voice 5: here right and i wouldn't want to put the applicant in position right now for us and give them a hard

[1:22:11] Voice 5: note on on uh on variants so i look forward to this discussion okay

[1:22:21] Voice 6: anything specifically on on

[1:22:24] Voice 6: the uh first three bullets under section

[1:22:26] Voice 5: a on on page six and seven i don't have a problem with that

[1:22:34] Voice 5: yeah it's fairly historical both of those items but the looks of it uh so let's move on to section

[1:22:46] Voice 5: Section B, which is the sewage absorption field within 7.3 meters.

[1:22:52] Voice 5: So what I think I have the most concern with,

[1:22:55] Voice 5: I think the fact that the strain field is 20 years old mass,

[1:23:01] Voice 5: I think it's probably closer to the end of its life than probably the beginning.

[1:23:06] Voice 5: I'm not a qualified engineer, I'm not professional or anything,

[1:23:10] Voice 5: but I think after about 20 years,

[1:23:13] Voice 5: um you'd be looking at using a replacement or result of uh your subject all

[1:23:19] Voice 6: right so maybe on

[1:23:21] Voice 6: this uh on that point maybe i just check in with staff if this field has to be uh replaced or

[1:23:29] Voice 6: renewed uh that any any through

[1:23:34] Voice 5: the jurisdiction of item of health right

[1:23:36] Voice 6: but then with that would

[1:23:37] Voice 6: a new field then necessarily be expected to comply with the existing setbacks um if you

[1:23:44] Voice 5: approve the variance as is and it fits within the

[1:23:46] Voice 3: same sighting then

[1:23:49] Voice 5: a new variance is not required

[1:23:50] Voice 5: okay that's the clarity i was looking for i mean the reality is that the property was sold

[1:23:55] Voice 5: a new house was being built a new field with the new requirements would be required right right so

[1:24:02] Voice 5: as long as it's the same existing building right something kind of permanent it's engineered to be

[1:24:09] Voice 5: there right i don't have a problem that's that's the point like somebody just put in the septic and

[1:24:18] Voice 5: didn't get a permit to do it i mean the criteria is all things permanent yeah so and you know my

[1:24:26] Voice 6: my perspective is at this moment we're just going to go through and sort of see where there's

[1:24:30] Voice 6: concerns or not concerns and then we can we can do another round and see if we can

[1:24:35] Voice 6: get some market air on um so the next section is uh related to 5.3.8.1

[1:24:45] Voice 6: uh which is uh citing uh at least 7.5 meters from front and rear rock look locked

[1:24:53] Voice 6: lot lines um so that's deciding uh the existing woodshed pump house within zero meters in the

[1:25:01] Voice 6: front lot line and the existing dwelling within 6.7 meters for front line so concerns with either

[1:25:09] Voice 6: of those that

[1:25:11] Voice 5: one as well i thought was closer to minor not in the instant of course um i do

[1:25:17] Voice 5: think the idea of having to move the home uh i think that's a fact i think it needs it i think

[1:25:23] Voice 5: it's fine i don't think it's a major uh major concern and with the pump code um it is oversized

[1:25:31] Voice 5: from what it should be it's more than 10 square meters isn't it it would be oversized in terms

[1:25:38] Voice 5: of being exempt from the setback requirement but because it's over 10 meters squared it has

[1:25:46] Voice 5: to work it has to be setbacks yeah and i think due to the nature of the small lot as well the

[1:25:52] Voice 5: placement of the well your choices get pretty limited we have a lot of uh spacing conflict

[1:25:58] Voice 5: with septic and all that too so it would be um i do find that one um okay um do we move on to

[1:26:11] Voice 5: section d then okay

[1:26:13] Voice 6: there's four here um and this is to the uh setbacks of at least six meters from

[1:26:23] Voice 6: each interior sideline so the first is the accessory building um

[1:26:29] Voice 5: and then the other are

[1:26:32] Voice 5: the western northern and southern rock retaining walls so comments on any of these four well i

[1:26:38] Voice 5: I think the contentious issue here is the accessory building.

[1:26:42] Voice 5: I think you go in there and start pulling out the rock balls,

[1:26:45] Voice 5: you pull down the set, but at that point it collapses, right?

[1:26:48] Voice 5: So at some point you've got to say, you know, fair is fair, right?

[1:26:54] Voice 5: You've got to look at things and say, are we creating more damage?

[1:26:57] Voice 5: Are we doing more damage than we're solving?

[1:27:00] Voice 5: But the accessory building clearly is a contentious point for the neighbours, right?

[1:27:04] Voice 5: Right. So that's, to me, is what we find the path forward, right? Certainly for me, I mean, I'm trying to find a path forward so we can address that, right?

[1:27:19] Voice 5: Well, yeah, this is the one that I find the most, again, most concerns with, the accessory dwelling.

[1:27:27] Voice 5: line again it comes right back to the um the consultation we see from the neighbors

[1:27:36] Voice 5: um yeah after somebody put in a rough back of the day and uh now they built on that and that's

[1:27:43] Voice 5: the problem on meter planning because we end up in situations like this and we need to make a

[1:27:50] Voice 5: decision not to bring this back into um i don't know yeah at least impactful

[1:27:59] Voice 5: way to leave this property for the next moment we're not

[1:28:01] Voice 5: talking about just the next one we're

[1:28:03] Voice 5: talking about 50 years from now we're talking about 100 years from now and what's going to

[1:28:07] Voice 5: happen in that whole area but if you look at my new harbor there's a different area

[1:28:12] Voice 5: to a property down the road this whole area is considered like an estuary a lot of outflows a

[1:28:18] Voice 5: lot of water going to that part putting those um rock walls in it has influenced that already

[1:28:26] Voice 5: so how do we make the best choices here i am not a geotechnical person that is not my thing but i

[1:28:33] Voice 5: don't think that we have the location to make that decision we need to get through there yeah

[1:28:39] Voice 6: i'll

[1:28:39] Voice 6: just comment that uh you know it's sort of a general thing when i look at variances that are

[1:28:46] Voice 6: uh you know the the item three on this one is it's two-thirds of the way to the to the

[1:28:54] Voice 6: to the normal setback that's one thing but when it's you know that's the 4.0 meters but then

[1:28:59] Voice 6: then look at the the other one that's you know less than a meter of a setback and that's you

[1:29:07] Voice 6: know when we're varying to almost no setback especially in terms of the neighbors i think

[1:29:13] Voice 6: that that's much more concerning to me than well it's most of the setback but it's are you referring

[1:29:19] Voice 6: to that captain this is this is just like i'm just looking there's three different sections

[1:29:24] Voice 6: on the rock wall in this in this piece

[1:29:26] Voice 5: yeah here you know and and so but i mean some of the rock

[1:29:30] Voice 5: balls not in the center

[1:29:31] Voice 6: very good yeah well what i'm just saying is that the one of the you know

[1:29:36] Voice 6: the northern one is within 4.4 meters the southern one is in the 3.3 meters the western one is with

[1:29:43] Voice 6: the 0.4 meters like so that's yeah in terms

[1:29:47] Voice 6: of violation that to me that's a much more egregious

[1:29:51] Voice 6: violation than the one that's you know two

[1:29:54] Voice 5: -thirds of the way there

[1:29:56] Voice 5: to be fair the county was like long before the rock wall

[1:30:00] Voice 5: It's not built on top of the property.

[1:30:01] Voice 5: It's just because it was built for Dennis.

[1:30:04] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:30:04] Voice 6: again, but I know, I know,

[1:30:06] Voice 6: I know you want, I know you want to like compare.

[1:30:09] Voice 6: I understand.

[1:30:11] Voice 6: So, but it does sound like the one thing

[1:30:13] Voice 6: that all three of us are agreeing on

[1:30:15] Voice 6: is that the variance on the accessory building

[1:30:20] Voice 5: within the interior and sideline lot

[1:30:23] Voice 5: is standing up for all three of us.

[1:30:25] Voice 5: That's something we seem to be agreed on.

[1:30:27] Voice 5: I can say that.

[1:30:28] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:30:29] Voice 5: that we're

[1:30:30] Voice 7: agreed

[1:30:31] Voice 5: that that's

[1:30:32] Voice 6: wrong we're not looking at yeah none of us think that we wanted to

[1:30:38] Voice 6: give that to go ahead so that's the that's

[1:30:45] Voice 5: the substance of these um i guess uh

[1:30:52] Voice 5: the option for the ltc as i mentioned this is to prove as is

[1:31:00] Voice 5: make it more restrictive so they would have to say the increase or set it to three meters at

[1:31:08] Voice 5: least there's more of a buffer between the neighbor and the accessory building or deny

[1:31:13] Voice 5: the variance and the property owner would have to comply with the setback or potentially

[1:31:19] Voice 5: shape the room fees um accessory building yes

[1:31:27] Voice 6: so uh so in terms of can i uh the applicant wants

[1:31:32] Voice 6: to just a sec here yeah i'm just gonna say so in

[1:31:35] Voice 5: terms of the accessory building um it's the

[1:31:40] Voice 5: options

[1:31:41] Voice 6: are everything from leaving

[1:31:44] Voice 5: it where it

[1:31:44] Voice 6: is right up to demanding that

[1:31:47] Voice 5: it besides the full

[1:31:49] Voice 5: normal setback of six meters so i'm just sort of looking at the range of

[1:31:53] Voice 5: or or of course it could be reduced sorry you had a question for the applicant

[1:31:59] Voice 5: the applicant i believe wants to speak to you wanted to speak about the project

[1:32:02] Voice 5: um you might notice on the drawing that there's an area that's supposed to be to the fence line

[1:32:10] Voice 5: um what what was always referred to as the compound on the cottage i don't know when it

[1:32:16] Voice 5: was constructed but it wasn't constructed to the original cabin and i know when my brother

[1:32:22] Voice 5: was the executor his plan was to remove that from town and leave the college so he unfortunately

[1:32:29] Voice 5: passed away that's why i'm in this situation um so i understand that that um that additional area

[1:32:38] Voice 5: of the cabin becomes very close and i think it would be very straightforward i'm not sure

[1:32:45] Voice 5: that they could be removed right you know to create more of a space putting that out of

[1:32:52] Voice 5: water and with the property line um i do want to point out that this was this structure was

[1:32:59] Voice 5: there when i had all the properties in 2005 and the response have have suggested that they

[1:33:05] Voice 5: purchased the property in 2014 so they it was obvious that the cottage was there at that time

[1:33:12] Voice 5: um so i i would be you know i don't know what the process is to remove a bump out but i would

[1:33:20] Voice 5: be happy to look at that if that would would go somewhat into um

[1:33:34] Voice 5: yeah i think i am too i mean i i'm i'm i do know that any heavy equipment coming across that

[1:34:10] Voice 5: i'm wondering in terms of proceeding today uh are we wanting to

[1:34:26] Voice 6: make an amendment are we wanting to defer decision based or do

[1:34:32] Voice 5: we want to request more

[1:34:33] Voice 5: information from staff or the applicant well i'm going to be really honest and point out here that

[1:34:41] Voice 5: i don't think the cost of moving something that will go without permits is particularly a hardship

[1:34:46] Voice 5: and we're talking about monarchy aren't we talking about um like i said an area that's

[1:34:53] Voice 5: most beautiful uh region in all of canada and i think that makes a very good decisions here

[1:35:02] Voice 5: i know i could be voting in favor of any of these variants today um i do strongly think that's the

[1:35:08] Voice 5: best way forward is to get together to talk about it with your neighbors they have great ideas and

[1:35:13] Voice 5: they want to see their neighborhood everybody wants to see the best state for that neighbor

[1:35:18] Voice 5: and i think that doing that and going back with another proposal or amended proposal or more

[1:35:23] Voice 5: more options and we can have another honest discussion together okay thank you for that

[1:35:32] Voice 5: uh the maverly um well i mean i i was prepared to put something forward with approval with

[1:35:40] Voice 5: amendments um i think that's fair um not gonna pass so irrelevant um so i i think you're a little

[1:35:53] Voice 5: stuck right now in the sense that you're going to have to figure out you're going to have to sit

[1:35:57] Voice 5: down with the neighbors and and see what the compromise is if there is one if there isn't

[1:36:04] Voice 5: one you come back to us and then we make a decision and that's i mean to me that's that

[1:36:09] Voice 5: would be unfortunate right um because you know i think there's reason people in the neighborhood

[1:36:16] Voice 5: who who see that forward right i think being a hard line isn't going to help anybody right

[1:36:23] Voice 5: It doesn't help the neighborhood, it doesn't help anybody.

[1:36:26] Voice 5: So I think my suggestion is let's bring it back at the April meeting

[1:36:37] Voice 5: and see where you got.

[1:36:40] Voice 5: I'm sorry, but I think that's where we're at.

[1:36:46] Voice 5: Okay, so

[1:36:47] Voice 6: I just want to check in with staff in terms of protests here.

[1:36:53] Voice 6: um it sounds like both the local trustees think you know that that i don't

[1:37:01] Voice 5: want to smile the

[1:37:02] Voice 5: very next the next

[1:37:03] Voice 6: best step is is is for the applicant to work with the neighbors here a bit

[1:37:09] Voice 6: and see if um

[1:37:11] Voice 5: they can bring back invented uh application

[1:37:16] Voice 6: here so um in terms of the

[1:37:20] Voice 6: alternatives listed on on the uh report here um or

[1:37:27] Voice 5: other alternatives yes i think uh if the lpc

[1:37:32] Voice 5: is requesting the applicant bring forward uh more options i think the lpc should give

[1:37:39] Voice 5: um the else or the applicant specific what information are you looking for for which

[1:37:45] Voice 5: structure for which building rather than the entire thing rather than the entire variance

[1:37:50] Voice 5: really try to justify the specific what you're actually looking for and it sounds like it comes

[1:37:55] Voice 5: down to the potential potentially or other variants there's 38 variants that's a lot of

[1:38:04] Voice 5: variants i think they should look at they can produce maybe a record of neighborhood

[1:38:10] Voice 5: consultation as well so that we can have a verified source how much conversations happen

[1:38:15] Voice 5: between the neighbors and the apple cancer as well there's walls

[1:38:20] Voice 5: we can certainly do that that's what you would like to be able to see the size of the information

[1:38:32] Voice 5: on every single structure beyond what's already included right now beyond what you've heard

[1:38:39] Voice 5: in the correspondence yeah um yeah because i'm saying like i guess there's eight variances

[1:38:49] Voice 5: I don't quite like the idea of putting them down to the next room.

[1:38:52] Voice 5: I think they all have merit for being denied or approved.

[1:38:58] Voice 5: I think one's going to reform the other as well.

[1:39:01] Voice 5: I think we also had conversations around a lot of coverage.

[1:39:05] Voice 5: I agree with everything that Tim said.

[1:39:07] Voice 5: I'd love to see that addressed in this variance.

[1:39:12] Voice 5: This is the VP as well.

[1:39:13] Voice 5: So

[1:39:17] Voice 6: just in terms of the process here, I suppose,

[1:39:21] Voice 6: I suppose we can make a motion requesting specific information, is it reasonable to also maybe take the approach of deferring the decision and letting

[1:39:36] Voice 5: the applicant approach neighbours sort of with less formal direction from us?

[1:39:42] Voice 5: Yeah, I would like to make a motion to defer the decision and allow the applicant more time to address the neighbors in regards to the concerns around the cottage and obviously the other variances as well, but that's my opinion.

[1:40:00] Voice 5: Okay, I'm going to check in with our reporter and see if she, what have she thought?

[1:40:06] Voice 5: on um i think

[1:40:09] Voice 2: you could if you re-say it that would be good i got deferred the decision and

[1:40:12] Voice 2: allow the applicant more time with the neighbors to address the variances that's

[1:40:17] Voice 5: correct okay okay

[1:40:19] Voice 5: so moved and a seconder moved a second in any further discussion no i don't think that there

[1:40:25] Voice 5: was a time yeah okay uh for all the bucklemen all those in favor and that motion carries

[1:40:32] Voice 5: is all right yes and uh it's complicated and um so i i assume you understand what what our

[1:40:42] Voice 5: decision to defer today is based on and what the trustees are hoping will happen next okay

[1:40:52] Voice 5: uh in that case uh we have we have a couple more applications i'm wondering if we should take a

[1:41:02] Voice 5: a 15-minute break.

[1:41:05] Voice 5: Does that seem reasonable?

[1:41:07] Voice 5: Why don't we take, why don't we break

[1:41:08] Voice 5: until 3 o'clock. Let's come back at 3 o'clock.

[1:41:11] Voice 5: So I'll reset until 3 o'clock.

[1:41:13] Voice 5: 20 minutes.

[1:41:15] Voice 5: 5 minutes.

[1:41:16] Voice 5: 10 minutes.

[1:41:17] Voice 5: Are we good?

[1:41:25] Voice 7: We'll

[1:41:25] Voice 5: come back at 2.50 then.

[1:41:33] Voice 5: Alright, so we're resetting

[1:41:34] Voice 5: don't we reconvene

[1:50:23] Voice 7: the meeting and

[1:50:24] Voice 5: uh next up at 16.3 on page 70 of the agenda

[1:50:30] Voice 5: we have the uh temporary use permits um keeper and we have a staff report

[1:50:40] Voice 5: coming from planner in future peterson uh the purpose of the staff report

[1:50:48] Voice 5: is to permit a temporary employee accommodation use within recreational vehicles.

[1:50:55] Voice 5: The subject property is known as Bodega Ridge and it's actually split zoned.

[1:51:02] Voice 5: The western portion of the property is zoned for visitor accommodation and the eastern section of the property is zoned for residential use.

[1:51:12] Voice 5: The site of where the proposed TUP area is located is actually on the residential portion

[1:51:18] Voice 5: of the property and it's actually not visible from the visitor accommodation use of Bodega

[1:51:26] Voice 5: Ridge.

[1:51:27] Voice 5: The applicant is requesting, as I mentioned, temporary employee accommodation use and as

[1:51:34] Voice 5: a condition of the TUP, the recreational vehicles will be required to connect to a water system

[1:51:40] Voice 5: and also a new septic system.

[1:51:45] Voice 5: A temporary use permit, the purpose of this is to allow a use

[1:51:49] Voice 5: that's not currently permitted by zoning,

[1:51:52] Voice 5: and it also allows the permit to include certain conditions,

[1:51:56] Voice 5: which this unwrong permit does have.

[1:52:00] Voice 5: The LTC also has the option to amend the temporary use permit

[1:52:04] Voice 5: to add in additional more restrictive conditions,

[1:52:08] Voice 5: And I have included one of those in the staff report on page 73, and a draft condition that

[1:52:17] Voice 5: the LTC may want to include in is compliance with the screening and landscaping regulations

[1:52:25] Voice 5: of the Galliano-Water Land Use By-law.

[1:52:29] Voice 5: The applicant has mentioned that they're hoping to make this use permanent in the future with

[1:52:34] Voice 5: permanent buildings.

[1:52:35] Voice 5: and at that time when those permanent structures go in there will be a requirement to comply with

[1:52:42] Voice 5: this lab use bylaw regulation so that will certainly be a requirement down the road

[1:52:46] Voice 5: um the applicant's rationale uh the applicant provided a letter that's attached to the staff

[1:52:54] Voice 5: report and the rationale for the temporary employee housing use is in order to properly

[1:53:00] Voice 5: services and needs of this growing business. The project will also contribute to the local

[1:53:05] Voice 5: community by providing amenities to local residents in the area and on the island without any, sorry,

[1:53:16] Voice 5: providing amenities to the local residents. Additionally, by providing staff housing,

[1:53:22] Voice 5: which is so needed on Galliano and actually most of the Gulf Islands here. So it's really,

[1:53:28] Voice 5: really important to provide this um the tup notice was circulated and we received an overwhelming

[1:53:38] Voice 5: amount of correspondence with this application um i think we were just under 70 pieces of

[1:53:45] Voice 5: correspondence um 65 of those were in support of the application five of those were in opposition

[1:53:52] Voice 5: The opposition was related more so to the visitor accommodation use, but there was also

[1:53:58] Voice 5: concerns regarding water and potential septic field requirements.

[1:54:04] Voice 5: So I thought I'd just mention those as well.

[1:54:06] Voice 5: The correspondence that was received after the close or when the agenda was posted was

[1:54:15] Voice 5: circulated to the trustees.

[1:54:18] Voice 5: So staff have recommended approval of this temporary use permit and that's based on the fact that the TUP would provide a temporary solution for lack of affordable employee housing on Galliano Islands.

[1:54:33] Voice 5: The TUP also meets the OCP objectives. There were an overwhelming amount of support for the application.

[1:54:42] Voice 5: application, and the TEP is supportable when we adapt it to a number of Galliano businesses.

[1:54:49] Voice 5: So

[1:54:49] Voice 2: there is a

[1:54:50] Voice 5: recommendation on page 70 of the agenda to approve the issuance of the

[1:54:56] Voice 5: TEP for a period of three years.

[1:54:58] Voice 5: There are also alternatives the LTC may consider, and those are outlined on page 74 of the agenda.

[1:55:05] Voice 5: And I'm happy to answer any questions, and the applicant, Jesse Keeter, is here as well.

[1:55:10] Voice 5: out. Thank you. Would you like to make any further comments or questions? First of all, I'd like to

[1:55:18] Voice 5: thank Jim for making the effort to come over. I'd like to thank Ben and Lisa, Lisa for coming over

[1:55:25] Voice 5: on a Sunday morning to actually view the site and see for themselves that it is what I think to be

[1:55:30] Voice 5: the best site on the property. It's very close to the water. It requires virtually no land alteration.

[1:55:36] Voice 5: um none of the neighbors can see it the one neighbor that that could hear it we've already

[1:55:43] Voice 5: talked to and we have a contract that we're going to provide all of our team members with so

[1:55:48] Voice 5: i feel like we've done all of our due diligence and as it stands right now we simply don't have

[1:55:54] Voice 5: enough accommodation even for our existing team we have three commercial properties bodega ridge

[1:56:01] Voice 5: is the big one um it came with an owner's residence which had three bedrooms the other

[1:56:08] Voice 5: property bodega cove came with a staff house that's on the sorry another corner of redlands

[1:56:12] Voice 5: which we made into a staff house which is on the waterfront which isn't ideal for numerous reasons

[1:56:19] Voice 5: like it's close to neighbors uh we have a very robust well at the ridge property where this site

[1:56:25] Voice 5: is versus the waterfront where i don't think anyone should ever be overconfident in their

[1:56:29] Voice 5: or their water supply in such a location.

[1:56:32] Voice 5: And then the other properties that think

[1:56:34] Voice 5: geranium has even less.

[1:56:36] Voice 5: It has a new business that we're opening

[1:56:37] Voice 5: that will service all the more thin

[1:56:39] Voice 5: with groceries and a cafe.

[1:56:42] Voice 5: So this isn't just for off-island tourists,

[1:56:45] Voice 5: it's also going to help out the community.

[1:56:49] Voice 5: As far as water use though, we've got a lot of water.

[1:56:52] Voice 5: And if anything, our net water is gonna go down this year

[1:56:55] Voice 5: because we've moved all of our commercial laundry

[1:56:57] Voice 5: to off-island.

[1:57:00] Voice 5: like i am okay thank you

[1:57:02] Voice 6: thank you trustees any questions for the plumber or the applicants

[1:57:07] Voice 5: um i actually don't have any comments i know this is a great use of the cup

[1:57:13] Voice 5: um i think this application is getting a lot of online attention too people are taking notice

[1:57:19] Voice 5: so i think that's encouraging people want to know what's it all about um yeah i believe in

[1:57:26] Voice 5: both of them presented here and it's an option where we have no other options at all

[1:57:34] Voice 5: and it's a great way to bring affordable rental worker housing to galena

[1:57:40] Voice 5: has a great potential for being each benefit to galena so i agree with the planner's recommendation

[1:57:46] Voice 5: and i'd be ready to make that one justin mabry um yeah just a couple of things i visited the site

[1:57:54] Voice 5: and the applicant showed me where that the septic field was going to go it's going to have an

[1:57:59] Voice 5: engineered septic field for these um they call them trailers or something like that but produce

[1:58:05] Voice 5: accommodations and uh it was good to hear about the water as well you know figuring out the water

[1:58:12] Voice 5: use and and um so yeah i mean this is something i campaigned on i mean this is the type of um

[1:58:20] Voice 5: you know for tup's this is what we were looking to have and um yeah i'm ready to move ahead with

[1:58:26] Voice 5: this one um so i'm going to make the motion that the galliano island local trust committee approved

[1:58:32] Voice 5: issuance of temporary use permit gl tup20233 keeper for a period of three years so we'll just

[1:58:42] Voice 5: seconded uh any further discussion all right

[1:58:45] Voice 7: and

[1:58:48] Voice 5: that carries okay so we'll move on to section 15.4

[1:58:55] Voice 5: uh and there's a consideration of adoption of uh proposed bylaws 287 and 288 starting on page 0107

[1:59:07] Voice 5: uh do we have a staff report from planner stockville yeah just a very short staff report

[1:59:13] Voice 5: and these two bylaws are coming back to the ltc for adoption um that's a reminder executive

[1:59:20] Voice 5: committee approved the bylaws on december 5th uh 2023 and the minister approved by law on june 8th

[1:59:27] Voice 5: on january 29th so a week or two ago and so now these three bylaws are going to do our feedback

[1:59:34] Voice 5: bill and see for consideration of adoption and there's two recommendations there for the ltc

[1:59:40] Voice 5: consider on page 107. any questions on these really not just a formality i believe we've

[1:59:47] Voice 5: been this application has been all the way so i'll make a quick one will i make a second one

[1:59:52] Voice 5: that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[1:59:55] Voice 5: bylaw number 287 cited as

[1:59:57] Voice 5: Galliano Official Community Plan

[1:59:59] Voice 5: bylaw number

[2:00:00] Voice 5: 08 1995 amendment number two two zero two two be adopted seconded in discussion

[2:00:06] Voice 6: call the question

[2:00:08] Voice 6: all in favor and that carries okay

[2:00:12] Voice 5: i move that the gallery local trust committee bylaw number 288

[2:00:15] Voice 5: cited as the gallery our land use bylaw number um 127 1999 and then number two 2022

[2:00:22] Voice 5: to 132 the adult second second discussion all the questions all those in favor and that motion

[2:00:30] Voice 5: carries as well all right then uh so that completes uh the application and referral section

[2:00:40] Voice 5: um we don't see anything in the local trust committee project session oh yes if by nature

[2:00:48] Voice 5: I just wanted to make a note of the fiscal for the project at end of fiscal, which is March 31st.

[2:01:02] Voice 5: We were hoping to have the public hearing for the ground water sustainability project.

[2:01:07] Voice 5: But that's certainly been put on hold until we have adequate time to discuss with Connecticut in regards to their comments.

[2:01:17] Voice 5: So don't necessarily need direction from the LTC, but more so just acknowledgement that this public hearing won't happen before March 31st will extend to the new fiscal year and that money for the public hearing will have to come out of a general LTC money.

[2:01:34] Voice 5: So I just wanted to acknowledge that.

[2:01:37] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:01:38] Voice 5: Question, is there any of that?

[2:01:40] Voice 5: No, not on that one.

[2:01:41] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:01:42] Voice 5: Okay, then we move on to one question. Sorry. So on the DVP 2023 for Eric Meaton, I was just wondering, because I see the fee was paid. I wonder why we didn't get it for this meeting, what the process was.

[2:02:02] Voice 5: um because there um requires adequate time for the notice to be sent out that's why we were hoping to

[2:02:09] Voice 5: get it on but eric is aware that he'll be on for eight twelve yeah okay

[2:02:13] Voice 6: so anything on the act

[2:02:16] Voice 6: projects or future projects report and

[2:02:19] Voice 7: the

[2:02:20] Voice 5: applications report which i think you just

[2:02:22] Voice 5: referenced nothing there uh we have the trustee local expense report uh from december 2023

[2:02:31] Voice 5: 23 attached anything on that today okay and then we have our adopted policies and standing

[2:02:39] Voice 5: resolutions to page 125 action on that today all right uh anything about the local trust

[2:02:48] Voice 5: committee web page no i did find i was using it the other day and it was actually quite pleasant

[2:02:56] Voice 5: sometimes you end up getting the one i know that they've been working on the back end a lot

[2:03:00] Voice 5: the kind of i didn't have any problem downloading or fighting the documents so great well of course

[2:03:07] Voice 5: as always if you if you have nice things

[2:03:10] Voice 5: to say make sure to let the high tea staff know

[2:03:15] Voice 5: and we have no uh island stress conservancy report today so

[2:03:21] Voice 6: that moves us into the new business

[2:03:22] Voice 6: a section um at page 130 we have a staff memo about the housing statutes changed changes to

[2:03:32] Voice 6: british columbia legislation um hopefully everyone's had a chance

[2:03:37] Voice 5: to read that report

[2:03:39] Voice 5: and i'm just going to stop to see if there's any um anything you'd like to add yes so this is a

[2:03:47] Voice 5: staff report from Director Seth and Sirma in regards to the new Bill 35 for short-term

[2:03:54] Voice 5: rental accommodation, the Short-Term Vacation Accommodation Act. And the Executive Committee

[2:04:01] Voice 5: late last year recommended that the LTCs consider if they want to opt in to the provincial's

[2:04:11] Voice 5: principal residence requirement

[2:04:13] Voice 5: for FTE VRs.

[2:04:14] Voice 5: There is a draft

[2:04:18] Voice 5: motion

[2:04:18] Voice 5: there the LTC could put forward

[2:04:21] Voice 5: that would be indicating

[2:04:23] Voice 5: to the Minister of Housing that the LTC

[2:04:25] Voice 5: is interested

[2:04:27] Voice 5: in opting in. Another

[2:04:29] Voice 5: option the LTC may want

[2:04:31] Voice 5: to, or another motion the LTC

[2:04:33] Voice 5: may want to make is to

[2:04:35] Voice 5: request that report back

[2:04:37] Voice 5: with options or

[2:04:39] Voice 5: implications of either opting in or not opting in so that was a suggestion i made to the ltc

[2:04:47] Voice 5: to request further information and that's something that i believe other ltcs have done

[2:04:54] Voice 6: certainly yes and of course with the timeline

[2:04:56] Voice 5: um

[2:04:58] Voice 6: that

[2:04:59] Voice 5: recommendation would consider opting in for

[2:05:01] Voice 5: that the following year's intake is based on exactly that absence of information on implications

[2:05:09] Voice 5: trustees?

[2:05:12] Voice 5: Yeah, I, yeah, this is a great briefing,

[2:05:15] Voice 5: Director Cernak did an amazing job.

[2:05:17] Voice 5: There's a tremendous amount of information

[2:05:19] Voice 5: he was able to put into this document.

[2:05:22] Voice 5: David Eby, three years ago when he was the Housing Minister,

[2:05:26] Voice 5: speaking about this,

[2:05:28] Voice 5: legislative changes coming at the Housing Now

[2:05:31] Voice 5: Global Housing Committee.

[2:05:32] Voice 5: And it's, for me, it's really exciting to see this

[2:05:35] Voice 5: actually coming into legislation.

[2:05:36] Voice 5: I still have a lot of questions.

[2:05:38] Voice 5: I do find it kind of confusing.

[2:05:41] Voice 5: i don't know i know that we have an annual intake window it's in march so if we don't opt in right

[2:05:48] Voice 5: now we can do it again in march um i think it's a little bit to be too soon for us to be opting

[2:05:55] Voice 5: in right now uh for galliano i think we need the justice of the community um but we also need an

[2:06:02] Voice 5: the analysis of how it's going to impact the whole trust area.

[2:06:12] Voice 5: Oh, yeah.

[2:06:15] Voice 5: Most importantly, I guess there's really three things that I think about this.

[2:06:18] Voice 5: One is that the Island Trust staff, I think, needs to meet with the Minister of Housing

[2:06:22] Voice 5: to get more clarity on what this actually means.

[2:06:26] Voice 5: And I think we should ask the planner for an impact analysis,

[2:06:30] Voice 5: like I should say,

[2:06:31] Voice 5: saying how this is specific to the Galeano land use bylaws.

[2:06:38] Voice 5: Do you think there's enough information in this memo

[2:06:41] Voice 5: so far to start that process?

[2:06:44] Voice 5: If the LTC is requesting further information from staff,

[2:06:49] Voice 5: it should be put in a motion.

[2:06:51] Voice 5: That's what I have.

[2:06:54] Voice 5: Yeah, because I do see this conversation being completed

[2:06:59] Voice 5: or continued with the honest trust itself um possibly even the regional planning committee

[2:07:05] Voice 5: and uh being part of that conversation with the with the minister of housing what does it mean

[2:07:10] Voice 5: i mean i think if once we get the figures about exactly what more clearly around what what it all

[2:07:18] Voice 5: means i mean it does kind of a little bit uh contradict itself and talks about like uh

[2:07:23] Voice 5: uh speculation talks too it says one area you can whenever you can't you know it's a little bit like

[2:07:30] Voice 5: we need some more technical knowledge or technical you know what this actually means so maybe it

[2:07:37] Voice 5: might be premature to ask staff to do an analysis for going um that being said too we also do like

[2:07:44] Voice 5: i said we need community consultation i think we are to sit up here and decide that often on

[2:07:49] Voice 5: half of the community without a parent in the community we wouldn't be doing the right thing

[2:07:57] Voice 5: um yeah that's pretty much where i'm at so as far as the militia and i don't know that we

[2:08:04] Voice 5: want to move um a board office at this point i think our trust council meeting in march

[2:08:11] Voice 5: will help inform that consideration because all the old people are probably having the

[2:08:15] Voice 5: same conversation right now that's it yeah

[2:08:20] Voice 5: yeah um i went through the briefing i think this is

[2:08:26] Voice 5: premature for sure um to to move ahead with anything i think we'd have to look at first

[2:08:31] Voice 5: of all what what effect it would have in the in the southern global violence as a whole and then

[2:08:36] Voice 5: galliano specifically um our pilots right now are fairly restricted to sdvrs anyways

[2:08:41] Voice 5: ways so i'm not sure that we're that far away from what the actual act is right um so yeah we

[2:08:48] Voice 5: have time um let's take the time um certainly i wouldn't be comfortable with opting in without a

[2:08:55] Voice 5: public hearing of some form to let the public know what we're doing um i think that's that's

[2:09:02] Voice 5: only fair especially when it comes to a piece of legislation that has you know basically it's

[2:09:08] Voice 5: to override everything we do right so um yeah yeah let's take our time and and do this right

[2:09:16] Voice 5: okay yes if i if i may uh rpm robert kojima is going to put together a uh a memo for a

[2:09:23] Voice 5: subpender i'll take me and how um reviewing the land use bylaw and ocp policies and how this may

[2:09:30] Voice 5: impact a subpender but with the ltc's interested in having something like that down here you can

[2:09:37] Voice 5: can, or you can certainly just wait for right now and see what

[2:09:40] Voice 5: information is provided at just the way to request that

[2:09:44] Voice 5: information in the future as well.

[2:09:48] Voice 5: Yeah, I mean, what if we do have a meeting at work at the South

[2:09:53] Voice 5: South of the clouds for a meeting yesterday, they're

[2:09:55] Voice 5: discussing about having the minister come to the meeting to

[2:09:58] Voice 5: answer questions. So

[2:09:59] Voice 5: then staff are going to talk to the

[2:10:02] Voice 5: ministry, but what if staff talk to their staff, and they can't

[2:10:05] Voice 5: that answers because they've got to talk to the minister you know i don't know that that having

[2:10:12] Voice 5: that uh deep analysis or impact analysis right now for this i think that we'll have more information

[2:10:19] Voice 5: pretty soon available to us so it's not going to be a hurry to start dropping that certain

[2:10:26] Voice 5: property from stat where biologics are interesting exactly yeah so i'm hearing some

[2:10:34] Voice 6: commonality here uh

[2:10:35] Voice 5: so as the uh as the general season and uh let's just pick this up when we've

[2:10:41] Voice 5: got some more information or do we want to give any specific direction to staff today

[2:10:44] Voice 5: i i don't want to give any specific direction today i'm going to just receive this information

[2:10:48] Voice 5: yeah all right thank you very much all right so uh our next

[2:10:56] Voice 6: meeting is scheduled for april

[2:10:59] Voice 6: 9th uh right here and we do have another uh town hall opportunity scheduled uh next so um let's

[2:11:11] Voice 6: move into that I'll let Kershaw and Pabst if anyone wants to address the local chats committee

[2:11:16] Voice 5: and uh go ahead sir um

[2:11:19] Voice 4: Mr. Chairman thank you

[2:11:21] Voice 5: very much is it going to be three minute segments

[2:11:24] Voice 4: in

[2:11:24] Voice 5: 64 or yes okay okay i'd like to draw your hand into slide 63 and into what i call jack

[2:11:31] Voice 5: yeah um if are you there

[2:11:41] Voice 5: and it's a lot plan and it's got an area that's green is everybody looking at that okay so what

[2:11:53] Voice 5: What this is, is the smooth spot showing the 6m and 7.5m setback, which means the development

[2:12:02] Voice 5: area is the green area.

[2:12:05] Voice 5: With the exception of the DP2 being a 15m setback, there is some 7.5m in the green area

[2:12:13] Voice 5: that would be a little more sensitive, but this basically, when you buy a postage stamp

[2:12:19] Voice 5: like the stones and ours is even smaller.

[2:12:22] Voice 5: You don't have much area to go on.

[2:12:27] Voice 5: I would like to also mention again that the wall

[2:12:32] Voice 5: that is near the letter P and plan

[2:12:35] Voice 5: with the one, two, three, four fence posts looking things.

[2:12:39] Voice 5: And then the one closer to the road

[2:12:41] Voice 5: with the one, two, three, four fence posts

[2:12:44] Voice 5: are not in the proposed DBP right now.

[2:12:47] Voice 5: So my question might be to staff. What happens to walls that are picked up in the proposed BVP?

[2:12:57] Voice 5: Do they not get considered and then the owner is forced to remove them?

[2:13:02] Voice 5: Or is the owner and the adjacent property owners allowed to engage and discuss violations that are included in the BVP?

[2:13:13] Voice 5: That's the question.

[2:13:17] Voice 3: Is it a fence there?

[2:13:19] Voice 5: no it's a wall it's

[2:13:20] Voice 3: a wall it's

[2:13:21] Voice 5: a it's a machine

[2:13:22] Voice 4: placed four foot by two foot by two foot

[2:13:26] Voice 5: interlocking block wall and it's about six feet high that's the one where you i can look at the

[2:13:32] Voice 5: people's toast and they're standing on the parking lot let's go straight to the property line

[2:13:36] Voice 3: um well

[2:13:39] Voice 3: it depends if it's considered a fence or not if it's considered a defense then the only setback

[2:13:44] Voice 3: that's applicable would be for the natural boundary of the seat but if it is determined to

[2:13:48] Voice 3: be a structure the applicant has the ability to include it in the variance and that's perhaps one

[2:13:54] Voice 3: of those items that you may want to discuss with the applicant okay

[2:13:58] Voice 5: and we can provide

[2:13:59] Voice 5: you some more information as well i don't have a picture of the item in front of me that's something

[2:14:05] Voice 5: that we'll have to discuss but we can determine if it would be considered a structure walking

[2:14:10] Voice 5: especially this well each unit probably weighs i don't know 1500 pounds so it sure looks like

[2:14:16] Voice 5: structure to me um and then also the wall that's perpendicular to it between the the word plan

[2:14:22] Voice 5: and accessory building six meters of that is non-compliant as well because it is a wall

[2:14:29] Voice 5: that's what keeps the earth from falling onto the accessory building there is a low little fence a

[2:14:35] Voice 5: little um lattice sinks um that's there okay i get it if we go to page 64 page 64 goes with

[2:14:46] Voice 5: um mr spoons did he totally disregarded the setback distance and particularly on our side

[2:14:54] Voice 5: of the lot and all the red

[2:14:55] Voice 5: areas in violation that this is just wall built back filling into the walls

[2:15:02] Voice 5: disturbing the contour of the lot, terracing it, so it has this very stepped sort of profile to it.

[2:15:09] Voice 5: So sometimes it gets really high, like at the parking lot, then the accessory building gets

[2:15:14] Voice 5: low and then when you get down to the water it gets really high again. Moving on to slide 65,

[2:15:20] Voice 5: it shows that when you build all over the lot where you're not supposed to, the lot coverage

[2:15:25] Voice 5: area blows up wider you're only

[2:15:27] Voice 5: allowed 25 and this is showing that he's at 36 right now so there

[2:15:33] Voice 5: was discussion that if you moved the recess accessory building it would get you on the road

[2:15:37] Voice 5: and that is true because you would lose that that area but it won't be enough there will have to be

[2:15:43] Voice 5: other um tiles or something removed in order to um to achieve the 25 percent um how am i doing mr

[2:15:56] Voice 5: uh yes okay i'll yield to the tax person okay i'd like to see if there's anyone else that would

[2:16:05] Voice 5: like to speak yes

[2:16:06] Voice 3: i think same as you jenny's one i just want to bring to the trust's attention

[2:16:10] Voice 3: something that's developing with this whole property and violations is we experienced an

[2:16:17] Voice 3: ar in november 2022 and the water had shot down now to the wanton road and built up right at the

[2:16:25] Voice 3: head um the prop on the road allowance funneling down the stairs funneling down the driveway

[2:16:32] Voice 3: one uh it was captured on the video and i think we sent it to you it cooled under the house rushed

[2:16:37] Voice 3: on the septic field and created a lot of damage and it also

[2:16:42] Voice 3: cooled on that that slate tile right

[2:16:46] Voice 3: in the corner right where it's stuck so that is that is they say six feet up so that concerns me

[2:16:52] Voice 3: with a structural damage environmental damage and the biowimping that we're in a different place now

[2:17:00] Voice 3: when the rain is coming and is flowing down the road and when it really gains what rains heavily

[2:17:05] Voice 3: it shames down there so you know i i know that we don't this is probably being abandoned property

[2:17:10] Voice 3: like them suggested that we don't this is something that needs to be dealt with because

[2:17:15] Voice 3: when it builds behind the hedge it also comes down to the montague improvement of which i'm

[2:17:20] Voice 3: former secretary so you know i'd love to be able to be kind of like yes we can work through it it

[2:17:26] Voice 3: may take a while but i'm feeling the pressure of the climate and climate change and what's

[2:17:31] Voice 3: happening now it's changing so i just want to make that a point to the record okay

[2:17:38] Voice 5: thank you for that

[2:17:43] Voice 5: I just want to speak to my dad's expertise on constructing

[2:17:50] Voice 5: and I know most people here are not familiar with the and the fact that there is a

[2:17:59] Voice 5: seawall retaining the front structure, the front area and my dad was tired to

[2:18:05] Voice 5: to detect that, it's expertise and knowledge.

[2:18:09] Voice 5: Going into Montague Park, there's also another stone wall

[2:18:13] Voice 5: that we were hired to construct to help

[2:18:17] Voice 5: with potential erosion there.

[2:18:20] Voice 5: So I know that he would have brought

[2:18:22] Voice 5: the same skills to his property.

[2:18:27] Voice 5: I don't know about engineering,

[2:18:30] Voice 5: but I do know that the property is stable.

[2:18:35] Voice 5: i guess really i'm just hearing for the first time that we have a trespass and um creating

[2:18:43] Voice 5: a list of grievances against the property which i i don't remember within permission

[2:18:49] Voice 5: we just used your uh bc plan survey

[2:18:54] Voice 5: yeah but i just well i just heard that someone witnessed water rushing through the property and

[2:19:04] Voice 5: i'm just wondering how that was possible can we answer that's that's i mean that's not really

[2:19:10] Voice 6: germane

[2:19:10] Voice 5: you know i just i just wanted to speak to my dad's you know in terms of his um that's

[2:19:17] Voice 5: pretty

[2:19:17] Voice 7: sure his

[2:19:19] Voice 5: expertise he built roads plant and road is one he built these students say

[2:19:24] Voice 5: very terminal village very terminal it's not a very terminal highway

[2:19:30] Voice 5: a highway road to tassie so this uh this one okay

[2:19:38] Voice 7: um yes

[2:19:48] Voice 5: um i haven't thought for quite a long time about uh how to make it simple that we have a lot of

[2:19:55] Voice 5: not a lot we have some affordable housing ideas

[2:19:58] Voice 5: it's one of the buildings, it's all going to take time, right?

[2:20:02] Voice 5: Observe the ease with which these four trailers

[2:20:05] Voice 5: are going to take the property, right? And I understand

[2:20:09] Voice 5: that the time for changing our

[2:20:13] Voice 5: OTP doesn't allow for trailer parks and campgrounds

[2:20:18] Voice 5: and all of that stuff, right? Maybe it's time that we reconsider

[2:20:21] Voice 5: that, even just as a focused project.

[2:20:25] Voice 5: What I often mention to people when we get into discussions about this type of thing

[2:20:30] Voice 5: is a mobile home park, which has the potential of

[2:20:36] Voice 4: being pulled together relatively quickly

[2:20:39] Voice 4: if you're comparing it to building like one of these great projects that we have in

[2:20:45] Voice 5: which we do affordable housing projects.

[2:20:48] Voice 5: And I think probably most of you are aware of it, but mobile home parks can be very tight places and places for people to live.

[2:20:59] Voice 5: I've stayed in them myself for short periods of time in different places.

[2:21:04] Voice 5: And I wondered, my guess is we'd have to have an OTPMN in the summer, right?

[2:21:11] Voice 5: So how do you start that? What do you need?

[2:21:13] Voice 5: and rather than starting with being to find a piece of land or an owner who's interested in

[2:21:19] Voice 5: developing that um can we start with a cpu metal is that how we do that

[2:21:33] Voice 5: um if it's an ltc um initiative it would have to be a project but somebody could come forward

[2:21:42] Voice 5: if it's a piece of land in particular yeah then we would have to go through a rezoning process

[2:21:47] Voice 5: where you would change the land use

[2:21:49] Voice 3: by law and the ocp it could

[2:21:50] Voice 3: also be an ltc of initiated projects

[2:21:53] Voice 3: That's

[2:21:53] Voice 5: an

[2:21:54] Voice 3: LPP initiated project.

[2:21:57] Voice 3: So

[2:21:57] Voice 5: that's two different possibilities.

[2:21:58] Voice 5: One is you have to have a land ahead of time, right?

[2:22:01] Voice 5: And the other is, yes.

[2:22:03] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:22:04] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:22:04] Voice 5: And if you don't have a land ahead of time,

[2:22:06] Voice 5: then it might take time for somebody to take time over.

[2:22:09] Voice 5: For people to talk to people who they think

[2:22:11] Voice 5: might be interested in something else.

[2:22:13] Voice 5: Then the other way is for it to be a LPP project.

[2:22:17] Voice 5: And there's a lot of important projects on private land, right?

[2:22:21] Voice 5: So this is where we go again.

[2:22:27] Voice 5: Yeah, I think it's a great point.

[2:22:31] Voice 5: You know, constantly in this chicken and eggs scenario where you're not sure what you should do.

[2:22:38] Voice 5: This is why I like the idea of a TUP.

[2:22:40] Voice 5: I mean, a TUP allows you to get started.

[2:22:42] Voice 5: It allows the public to see, is this going to work or not going to work?

[2:22:48] Voice 5: And it gives you that amount of time to say, okay, it looks like it's working.

[2:22:52] Voice 5: let's let's enter into a rezoning process because you you then you've collected a lot of information

[2:22:57] Voice 5: on whether it's going to work or not work as you go through that process the difficulty is

[2:23:03] Voice 5: is first of all finding somebody who's willing to embark on that on that journey right

[2:23:11] Voice 5: and um we're going to get a great deal of information on workforce housing out of the

[2:23:18] Voice 5: top that was issued today because

[2:23:20] Voice 5: we're going to see how it works right and so i think that can

[2:23:25] Voice 5: guide us you know when we look at a project we're going to hopefully drop a couple off

[2:23:32] Voice 5: if you complete it excuse me but um yeah it's an exercise i'd love to undertake

[2:23:40] Voice 5: but what so are you saying when you mentioned that when you first started speaking you mentioned the

[2:23:45] Voice 5: the TUP process, were you, you're not referring to the deputy chair, you're referring to that

[2:23:51] Voice 5: concept?

[2:23:52] Voice 5: Yes.

[2:23:52] Voice 5: To try out the

[2:23:59] Voice 5: process like that?

[2:24:00] Voice 5: Absolutely.

[2:24:00] Voice 5: I mean, the benefit to that is you get to gather information as you go through the TUP

[2:24:08] Voice 5: on whether it's working or not.

[2:24:09] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:24:10] Voice 7: and

[2:24:10] Voice 5: then at some stage in that tp decide okay well let's let's apply for the rezoning then

[2:24:15] Voice 5: and and the staff and and trustees then have you know we have we have what we need to serve as

[2:24:23] Voice 5: as sort of working knowledge on on whether it's going to work or not you know point to

[2:24:29] Voice 5: center for action right so we need to get out here yeah daniel i don't think we're going to

[2:24:37] Voice 5: require those achievement and uh it's not allowed to be trailers because i understood that your crp

[2:24:43] Voice 5: to a septic system if it's trailers and mobile homes are okay because they are csa food

[2:24:53] Voice 5: and uh they can be looked up to a septic and lots of people brought much more support

[2:25:00] Voice 5: That's been

[2:25:01] Voice 5: okay. And

[2:25:03] Voice 7: we have a

[2:25:04] Voice 5: community housing possibility, but community housing zone. And so it looks like the OCP would be okay for that sort of development, but not with trailers, but with what definition of trailers ones at that time anyway.

[2:25:22] Voice 5: I don't know if Jesse is arranging with CRD to get permission, or maybe that's changed

[2:25:31] Voice 5: since I was involved.

[2:25:35] Voice 5: I think to that point too, the unpertinent part is that includes tiny homes, and why

[2:25:43] Voice 5: the CRD isn't including tiny homes as approved structures is beyond me.

[2:25:48] Voice 5: We've had this conversation with them and they just don't seem to want to go down there.

[2:25:53] Voice 5: road which is remarkable concerning that dining homes being increased use of tiny homes is

[2:26:00] Voice 5: isn't but you know you see it in every community now so yeah and then we're getting that to that

[2:26:06] Voice 5: point is the uh the bc building code and there's been a lot of uh a lot of requests to update that

[2:26:13] Voice 5: to make tiny wellington specifically tiny homes on wheels um you know easier to comply with those

[2:26:21] Voice 5: codes and the products came out a few months ago and essentially said no yeah which doesn't make

[2:26:29] Voice 5: me

[2:26:30] Voice 6: that easier yeah

[2:26:31] Voice 7: um so

[2:26:32] Voice 6: there are there is in terms of non-permanent structures as a fairly

[2:26:37] Voice 6: narrow um uh set of options that are you know attainable without

[2:26:45] Voice 5: just you know permanent

[2:26:47] Voice 5: building so yeah it's interesting when we talk about housing and you go down the path and

[2:26:58] Voice 5: i've sort of gone down this path a little ways with the staff and with the crd just to figure

[2:27:03] Voice 5: out what options are and how quickly they say no right instead of engaging in the conversation to

[2:27:10] Voice 5: actually try and flesh out what what uh what the idea is and whether whether it's possible

[2:27:18] Voice 5: some generally what you even know but if and come on that's not the first word you should be saying

[2:27:24] Voice 5: so it's great that we're we're having those talks with justine and kim and those meetings to try and

[2:27:29] Voice 5: see whether there's some options there around even affordable housings around cottages where

[2:27:34] Voice 5: you know we can get a um something registered on title that that makes it for affordable housing

[2:27:42] Voice 5: and some incentives around building cottages or changing cottages to allow for housing right

[2:27:47] Voice 5: so we'll see how that goes

[2:27:49] Voice 5: i can

[2:27:52] Voice 5: quickly do a little plug um the regional planning committee and uh put together an

[2:28:01] Voice 5: amazing affordable housing toolkit and if anybody has not looked at it it's going to

[2:28:06] Voice 5: the island's trust website it's under programs and housing affordability um the toolkit is fabulous

[2:28:14] Voice 5: listed out of my options that the ltc will consider um and they've worked really hard on

[2:28:20] Voice 5: this so it's a really good document to give time to review it please do said it well i just can't

[2:28:28] Voice 5: get over how slowly this is going i mean other people were just the expert who was with the

[2:28:33] Voice 5: items trust that many years ago when i was on the lpc where we felt that for a long time

[2:28:38] Voice 5: it will get and uh nothing has happened it's like years and years and it's so frustrating but i mean

[2:28:46] Voice 5: i'm not blaming anybody i'm not blaming any of you because i'm not blaming my own health even

[2:28:50] Voice 5: you know but i

[2:28:53] Voice 5: will tell you the amount of phone calls and and contact we've gotten from other

[2:29:00] Voice 5: their islands about that tup going oh yeah what are you guys doing there right and uh so it's

[2:29:09] Voice 5: interesting i think it's it's finding that little sort of wedge to try and start to open the door a

[2:29:15] Voice 5: little bit and figure out what's what's doable because we we figured out a lot of ways not to

[2:29:21] Voice 5: do things i'm not sure we figured out a ton of ways to do things yeah yes sir yeah i think that

[2:29:28] Voice 5: But the deeper thing is, in fact, what you're saying, Ben, is, for example, everybody's interested in that because finally a company is going to have to put four trailers up there, put them up to a dip system, a water system, and you've got affordable housing, which we've been talking about for 20 years.

[2:29:53] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:29:53] Voice 7: So how do we promote that?

[2:29:55] Voice 7: Right?

[2:29:56] Voice 7: No,

[2:29:57] Voice 5: we get away from this immediate no.

[2:30:00] Voice 5: And it comes out every time.

[2:30:03] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:30:06] Voice 5: Sandy?

[2:30:07] Voice 5: I mean, I know we probably don't know.

[2:30:09] Voice 5: How did Jesse get any permission from the CRD for the VHOT,

[2:30:14] Voice 5: or the septic system, the trailers?

[2:30:16] Voice 5: I mean, I think it would be reasonable for other people to have that information,

[2:30:19] Voice 5: or if he doesn't even have that information.

[2:30:21] Voice 5: No, I mean, I went over that with him because I want to know for the other islands

[2:30:26] Voice 5: and for other applicants too.

[2:30:27] Voice 5: and the septic fields is engineered for those four trainers and he has a water license for

[2:30:35] Voice 5: the VCOM. So, you know, those are the things. Water license is not a fun sort of application

[2:30:43] Voice 5: to go through, but it's doable. At least we know it's doable, right? And if it was trust

[2:30:52] Voice 5: led or what, you know, if it was led a different way, I think it's doable as well. I think

[2:30:58] Voice 5: know it's it's quick easy affordable most and you know how much it was you better put up with

[2:31:06] Voice 5: the official reporting of affordable housing right you've got some five hundred thousand dollars

[2:31:11] Voice 5: yeah oh it seems that now it's probably six fifty yeah yeah

[2:31:29] Voice 5: and have a mobile home that belongs to a affordable housing society that would have a relationship

[2:31:40] Voice 5: with the landowner and the people involved in the flood,

[2:31:44] Voice 5: for it will happen because for the society,

[2:31:48] Voice 5: and allow them to put pads here as long as they have enough water,

[2:31:52] Voice 5: and as long as it couldn't be used for STVR

[2:31:56] Voice 5: or anything like that, and once that agreement between those two

[2:32:00] Voice 5: partners was breached, then the mobile home

[2:32:04] Voice 5: would go back. Well, this is exactly why I'm working with Paul Brent

[2:32:08] Voice 5: and staff on seeing whether the CRD should develop an agreement that they can register

[2:32:15] Voice 5: on title so that that's feasible, so that's doable, because it's really difficult to get

[2:32:21] Voice 5: it with housing groups because you're, I mean, geez, we're all dealing with volunteers.

[2:32:26] Voice 5: Everybody is, you know, every housing group is a volunteer group, and so we're loading

[2:32:30] Voice 5: this onto them.

[2:32:31] Voice 5: So if we can develop one through the CRD that they can register on title and say, you know,

[2:32:37] Voice 5: you can do exactly that CRD would register on title for you know for the 10 years or whatever

[2:32:43] Voice 5: it is that you're doing and we can move ahead with that but hopefully this we we can find some

[2:32:50] Voice 5: headway here well this is the process we're working through right hoping having the CRD on

[2:33:02] Voice 5: side involved in the housing agreement will give them incentive to participate a little bit easier

[2:33:08] Voice 5: in the rest of the project right yeah great

[2:33:12] Voice 6: thanks um i'm inclined to uh move us towards

[2:33:19] Voice 6: adjournment um i know you want to tell

[2:33:23] Voice 5: us more i promise you i won't um do anything down the

[2:33:26] Voice 5: order i thought just a few questions to ask um a bit procedural the um the ltc action list that

[2:33:35] Voice 5: i've provided in in appendix a um has not been recorded in the minutes that um that i submitted

[2:33:43] Voice 5: that in the meeting they've become part of the public record they've been submitted to the ltc

[2:33:50] Voice 5: okay thank you yeah um the other thing was the documents that i requested that are in appendix d

[2:33:56] Voice 5: I think we should send an email to Bruce of what previous DPs were issued, and we would

[2:34:03] Voice 5: provide

[2:34:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: them to you.

[2:34:04] Voice 5: And I'm sure this is a question for staff.

[2:34:07] Voice 5: What is the mechanism for passing on a violation to be corrected by a future owner?

[2:34:15] Voice 5: Because this may come up when we engage with Kate, and the mechanism isn't clear to me.

[2:34:21] Voice 5: How does that work?

[2:34:22] Voice 5: so that Kate doesn't want to do it, but it needs to be done.

[2:34:27] Voice 5: The LTC imposes it on the property,

[2:34:30] Voice 5: but it's understood that the next owner is going to do it.

[2:34:33] Voice 5: So how is that done?

[2:34:35] Voice 5: Well, it runs with the land.

[2:34:36] Voice 5: So let's just say the property sells today as is,

[2:34:41] Voice 5: all those items that are still not in compliance

[2:34:45] Voice 5: would then be the responsibility of the new property owner to deal with.

[2:34:50] Voice 5: and um my last question honestly um is earlier in the meeting i i i thought it might be prudent to

[2:35:00] Voice 5: for an authoritative letter to get filed on title indicating that that there's a regulatory

[2:35:07] Voice 5: um review going on at the property from the point of view that a prospective owner

[2:35:13] Voice 5: would not assume that what you saw on the property was necessarily what was going to um

[2:35:19] Voice 5: remain you may have maybe kate wouldn't take it off but it would be on the onus of the owner to

[2:35:25] Voice 5: take new orders but it just seems that either this or either the state or the ltc or the realtors are

[2:35:35] Voice 5: open to lots and right now because we've been um party to um prospective purchasers walking along

[2:35:43] Voice 5: the property and they they simply aren't aware nor is the realtor really telling them everything and

[2:35:50] Voice 5: i don't think they know a lot but it would seem to me that an authoritative letter on title

[2:35:55] Voice 5: would make it very clear to the realtors that you know it's a beautiful piece of property

[2:36:01] Voice 5: but there's some uncertainty going on with the regular court review has that ever been

[2:36:06] Voice 5: done in a situation like this okay we just like hope nobody gets sued no i don't believe that

[2:36:13] Voice 5: we have the authority to put anything on title um but in terms of if there's five or more similar

[2:36:18] Voice 5: issues that it can be delivered but if you have questions about that process i would

[2:36:24] Voice 5: really recommend speaking with one of them officer and there is also information regarding this

[2:36:31] Voice 5: property has provided a lot of previous uh uh files and you can see that you would have

[2:36:40] Voice 5: in my i'm sincerely saying that it's really to protect the other parties i don't think

[2:36:47] Voice 5: i would be sued but i can see where there's uh an opening for others um and the last thing i

[2:36:53] Voice 5: want to say sincerely look forward to engaging with kate um and and jan and i um to to work

[2:37:04] Voice 5: through these issues i have every confidence that we can do it great and i'm really pleased that you

[2:37:12] Voice 5: as the ltc have authority thank you all

[2:37:18] Voice 6: right well uh let's uh move to adjournment then yeah

[2:37:22] Voice 6: Yeah, appreciate everybody coming out today.

Galiano Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
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Galiano Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
Date:  
Location:  
February 13, 2024 
Galiano South Community Hall 
141 Sturdies Bay Road, Galiano Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Ben Mabberley, Local Trustee 
 Lisa Gauvreau, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager 
(electronic) 
 Bruce Belcher, Planner 1 
 Carly Bilney, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were twenty-seven (27) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations.  
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Gauvreau provided a report that included a description of meetings she recently 
attended. She noted that Galiano was well represented at the Islands Trust Conservancy. 
Trustee Mabberley provided a report that described recent consultation with the Capital 
Regional District and Islands Trust staff regarding an agreement that would facilitate affordable 
home ownership. He acknowledged the passing of three Elders since the last Trust Committee 
meeting. 
 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
In his report, Chair Peterson: 
 Noted the Financial Planning Committee had been meeting frequently in anticipation of 
the March Trust Council meeting 
 Described the integrated corporate planning process to which the Trust Council is 
moving to allow for more long-term planning 
A D O P T E D 

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 Commented on the Salish Sea Symposium held in Vancouver where he raised the issue 
of mooring buoys with the Deputy and Assistant Deputy Ministers 
5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT – None  
6. FIRST NATION REPORT 
It was noted that today is the election of Chief and Council on Penelakut Island. 
7. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 The Trust is made aware when a Temporary Use Permit expires and monitors to see if 
there is continued use; bylaw enforcement followed up with all those whose Temporary 
Use Permits have expired 
 Islands Trust staff met with members of Penelakut Tribe and introduced a number of 
applications; staff will follow up at the end of this month to see if Penelakut has had the 
opportunity to review the applications 
 The official referral process outlined by the Province is inadequate and the Islands Trust 
attempts to go above and beyond it 
 
The following comments were made regarding GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones): 
 
 Support was expressed for denying GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) as an incentive for other 
property owners to respect bylaws, and given concerns raised by neighbours and water 
operators 
 It is the responsibility of the estate to bring the property into compliance 
 An illegal barrier (hedge and fence) impedes service infrastructure supplied by the 
Montague Improvement District that wants to ensure unfettered access 
 The accessory building should be moved 
 Some of the bylaw infractions have impact beyond the property line 
 To receive a variance, the landowner should provide a community benefit 
 Islands Trust staff should compile an exhaustive list of violations on the property, carry 
out a setback impact study, review existing float size, examine the authenticity of 
designating the structure as an ‘accessory building’, order an environmental study 
regarding development in the ecologically sensitive areas, and file a letter on title 
advising prospective buyers that the area is under review 
 
8. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
9. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
10. MINUTES 
10.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated December 12, 2023 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
December 12, 2023 were adopted. 
 

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10.2 Section 26 Resolutions Without Meeting Report Dated Feb 2023 
Received for information. 
10.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
11. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
11.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. Island Planner Stockdill provided an update regarding 
discussions with the Capital Regional District Manager of Southern Gulf Islands about 
affordable housing options and cottages. 
 
12. DELEGATIONS 
13. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the Local Trust 
Committee webpage 
14. MEETING BREAK – COMMUNITY UPDATE 
15. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
15.1 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaw No. 536 (for 
Response) 
GL-2024-001 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the Salt 
Spring Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 536. 
CARRIED  
 
15.2 GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) - Staff Report 
Planner Belcher reviewed the staff report related to GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones). The 
applicant noted that, as the executor of the estate to which the property belongs, she is 
required to sell the property. Discussion was held and the following comments were 
made: 
 
 Concern was expressed about the fence and pump house near the district water 
line 
 The fence should not have been erected, and perhaps the Montague 
Improvement District can put a structure on the property (e.g. a manhole-cover 
sized cap that notes “Property of Montague Improvement District – do not 
remove”) 
 The sale agreement of the property should include a provision that ensures the 
fence will eventually be moved 

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 A future owner might assume that everything within the fence would belong to 
them, however, the fence lies on the Ministry of Transportation and 
Infrastructure’s right of way 
 The variances are not minor 
 The applicant has decided that lot coverage will be left to the new potential 
property owner 
 It is not fair to reject the application and not provide a path forward for the 
applicant 
 Pulling down the rock walls would likely create more damage 
 The accessory building was especially contentious with the neighbours and 
addressing it might be a plausible path forward 
 The applicant should seek a compromise with the neighbours, and might 
consider producing a record of neighbourhood consultation 
 The Local Trust Committee should specify on what exactly the applicant should 
follow up 
 
GL-2024-002 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee defer a decision on GL-DVP-2023.5 
(Scoones) to allow the applicant more time with the neighbours to address the 
variances. 
CARRIED 
 
A break was held between 2:40-2:50 p.m. 
15.3 GL-TUP-2023.3 (Keefer) - Staff Report 
Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the staff report related to GL-TUP-2023.3 (Keefer). 
Discussion was held and it was noted that the application received an overwhelming 
amount of correspondence, the majority of which was in favour of approval. 
 
GL-2024-003 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Temporary Use 
Permit GL-TUP-2023.3 (Keefer) for a period of three (3) years. 
CARRIED  
15.4 GL-RZ-2022.2 (Hayes) - Proposed Bylaws 287 and 288 – Consideration of Adoption – 
Staff Memo 
Island Planner Stockdill reviewed the staff memo related to GL-RZ-2022.2 (Hayes).  
 
GL-2024-004 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No 287, cited as “Galiano 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 108, 1995, Amendment No. 2, 2022”, 
be adopted. 
CARRIED  

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GL-2024-005 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Galiano Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No 288, cited as “Galiano 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 127, 1999, Amendment No. 2, 2022”, be adopted. 
CARRIED  
 
16. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
It was noted that the Public Hearing for the Groundwater Sustainability Project is on hold until 
adequate discussion with Penelakut Tribe has been held, and will thus extend into the new fiscal 
year.  
17. REPORTS 
17.1 Work Program Reports 
17.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
17.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
17.2 Applications Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
17.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Dec 2023 
Received for information. 
17.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
17.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
17.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report – None 
18. NEW BUSINESS 
18.1 Housing Statute Changes to British Columbia Legislation – Staff Memo 
Received for information. Discussion was held about the need for more analysis on the 
implications of the Local Trust Committee opting in to the province’s principal residence 
requirement for short term rental accommodations. 
 
19. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
19.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for April 9, 2024 at the South Community Hall, 
Galiano Island 
  

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20. TOWN HALL  
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 Concern was expressed about the impact of climate change (e.g. heavy rains) causing 
damage to the GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) property 
 The previous owner of the Scoones property was a skilled builder who worked on many 
successful projects and would have applied his skills to the subject property 
 The bylaw infractions described in GL-DVP-2023.5 (Scoones) would be the responsibility 
of the new property owner if the property sold 
 The Islands Trust does not have authority to add an authoritative letter on title to notify 
prospective buyers of non-compliance 
 It is perhaps time to change the Galiano Island Official Community Plan to allow for the 
creation of mobile home parks 
 Creating a mobile home park could be a project initiated by the Local Trust Committee, 
or someone could come forward with a rezoning application to do so 
 A lot of requests have been made to allow tiny homes to comply with the British 
Columbia Building Code, and the Province has said “no” 
 The Regional Planning Committee’s Affordable Housing Toolkit on the Islands Trust 
website outlines options that the Local Trust Committee can consider 
 GL-TUP-2023.3 (Keefer) is a good example of getting quick, easy and affordable housing 
– the applicant had a septic field engineered for four trailers and got a water license 
with the Vancouver Island Healthy Authority 
 GL-TUP-2023.3 (Keefer) application has received a lot of interest from other islands 
 
21. CLOSED MEETING – None 
22. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:37 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tim Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Carly Bilney, Recorder