Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 15, 2024

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[0:00:02] Voice 5: doing just swell good morning everybody

[0:00:07] Voice 5: despite all of the challenges that have been generated today we're having a meeting

[0:00:12] Voice 5: we have internet we have snow

[0:00:21] Voice 5: anyhow good morning thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting of this

[0:00:25] Voice 5: turnout island local trust committee i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging the

[0:00:29] Voice 5: very fortunate to be able to gather today on locations across the territory of the Coast

[0:00:34] Voice 5: Salish people. I'm David Marr, the director of Maine Island, chair of the Satern Island Local

[0:00:38] Voice 5: Trust Committee. I'm joined today by Satern Island local trustees Murray Boland who's online

[0:00:45] Voice 11: and Lee Milton who's here in person. We have Brad Smith who is our island planner. Are we having

[0:01:08] Voice 5: mr dignity today

[0:01:09] Voice 11: they

[0:01:10] Voice 5: don't see him no

[0:01:12] Voice 6: okay

[0:01:14] Voice 5: so we don't have um and uh carly buck lining who is our

[0:01:19] Voice 5: recording secretary um this meeting is official for a form of freedom trust me to make decisions

[0:01:26] Voice 5: about language planning matters and discuss relevant business i want to add this is a place

[0:01:30] Voice 5: of employment despite the fact many staff are in their own homes our staff is ready to save

[0:01:35] Voice 5: and respectful workplace you have been told um so we'll start off with approval agenda um

[0:01:43] Voice 5: relatively straightforward anybody have any additions or deletions or anything happy

[0:01:50] Voice 5: five percent yes

[0:01:51] Voice 3: i think so there's just one thing i'll add at the standing resolution

[0:01:56] Voice 3: section but that doesn't fall on the agenda for that anyway so okay if that has this

[0:02:01] Voice 3: Fair enough.

[0:02:03] Voice 5: So, moving forward, we have a trustee report. So, Trustee Bowman, do you want to start off with?

[0:02:12] Voice 2: Yeah, I just have a couple of things to mention. First of all, just for interest,

[0:02:19] Voice 2: I thought I'd tell you that I am speaking to you from the city of Tucson, and the name

[0:02:27] Voice 2: comes from the name given to Sentinel Mountain by Tohono Do'odham Indians, and that was

[0:02:37] Voice 2: referring to the fact that the base of the mountain is darker than its summit.

[0:02:46] Voice 2: Did you hear that? Have I got a problem? No? Should I continue?

[0:03:02] Voice 12: you

[0:03:10] Voice 4: chair

[0:03:10] Voice 1: mod you're quite uh the sound is quite garbled i just sort of um you may also want to

[0:03:18] Voice 1: try turning your camera off for a little bit as well um definitely not ideal um but i can't

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[0:03:28] Voice 5: think of anything

[0:03:29] Voice 1: else until we improve you know unless we get the password for the other

[0:03:33] Voice 1: network okay

[0:03:35] Voice 5: so whatever that's like for streaming um

[0:03:51] Voice 5: we might

[0:03:54] Voice 4: be better just to try with the open so

[0:03:57] Voice 5: try without the camera uh

[0:04:02] Voice 2: yeah okay so i'll carry

[0:04:04] Voice 2: on um i just have a couple of updates to mention um one is that the budget process is unfolding

[0:04:14] Voice 2: and um it's it's uh of course you know um we haven't come to a conclusion but it's been fairly

[0:04:22] Voice 2: fairly well structured and fairly well, you know, it's been managed quite well.

[0:04:28] Voice 2: And I'm hopeful that whatever conclusion we arrive at will be generally supported.

[0:04:35] Voice 2: Within the Islands Trust, there is an initiative tackling the thorny question of more coherent and rigorous corporate planning as a whole.

[0:04:47] Voice 2: and in the future that might give rise to um better discussions about the budget and you know

[0:04:57] Voice 2: that it won't all come down to the wire at the last minute throughout the year the load on

[0:05:02] Voice 2: decisions will be spread more evenly and i don't know if everybody's aware that the cao

[0:05:09] Voice 2: announced his retirement um at the december meeting so he'll be leaving at the end of june

[0:05:16] Voice 2: there's a subcommittee a hiring committee um who are the executive committee and the chair of other

[0:05:26] Voice 2: committees they've come together and they're working through a process to hire a new cao

[0:05:34] Voice 2: and they are reporting to trust council in fact not just reporting they're they're let's say the

[0:05:42] Voice 2: mandate that they have created for themselves is that they will seek authority from the whole of

[0:05:48] Voice 2: Trust Council for any decisions. And the last thing is that Ceterna Island LTC advertised for

[0:06:00] Voice 2: and did receive a number of applicants for a new subcommittee advisory planning with a specific

[0:06:08] Voice 2: specific remit to address road infrastructure and you know to communicate with or through the LTC

[0:06:21] Voice 2: but communicate with MOTI and others about requirements and projects that's it for me

[0:06:29] Voice 2: thank you okay thank you

[0:06:31] Voice 3: very much I must say you're looking very nice today

[0:06:36] Voice 3: chair ready to be done for people's turn that's right thank you i'm sure we all appreciate it

[0:06:44] Voice 3: um so i want to thank my fellow trustee uh who was very diligent in attending all of the financial

[0:06:52] Voice 3: planning committee meetings and uh and um being generally on top of the committee work

[0:06:57] Voice 3: was very helpful um and so she's probably only reported on a fraction of the meetings she's

[0:07:04] Voice 3: actually attended over the last um uh two or three months but um it's um it's certainly good work and

[0:07:12] Voice 3: i'm very glad he does it on behalf there's a small update on the donation of judith meyer's property

[0:07:20] Voice 3: the new approving or adult approving officer has been reappointed um who seems to be quite

[0:07:26] Voice 3: sympathetic to there being special requirements that we could put in place to allow that

[0:07:37] Voice 3: a subdivision because it has to be a

[0:07:40] Voice 3: subdivision because Judy wants to keep the cabin so she needs

[0:07:45] Voice 3: to subdivide five acres which of course the minimum lot size so all she's doing is keeping

[0:07:49] Voice 3: her existing cabin but that means she is still doing a subdivision so although the subdivision

[0:07:55] Voice 3: is for community benefit previous approving officer kind of applied the full most stringent

[0:08:02] Voice 3: requirements as a subdivision, which

[0:08:04] Voice 3: were really not possible for her to meet.

[0:08:06] Voice 3: So I ended up

[0:08:08] Voice 3: talking to the surveyor, who's been

[0:08:10] Voice 3: extremely helpful. And what we're waiting

[0:08:12] Voice 3: on now is the approving officer is offered to

[0:08:14] Voice 3: meet, and I may have not mentioned this

[0:08:16] Voice 3: to you, Brad, but wants to meet with

[0:08:18] Voice 3: you and I. And the

[0:08:20] Voice 3: idea is that we put some form of covenant

[0:08:22] Voice 3: on the property. So

[0:08:24] Voice 3: I've been a bit busy last

[0:08:26] Voice 3: while, but I'm going to get on trying to encourage

[0:08:28] Voice 3: the approving officer to

[0:08:29] Voice 3: to meet with us sooner than maybe,

[0:08:32] Voice 3: because Gene is eager to get on with this.

[0:08:35] Voice 3: And in the survey,

[0:08:37] Voice 3: I was able to find a viable route up the mountain

[0:08:39] Voice 3: to go with the theoretical road on,

[0:08:42] Voice 3: which amazes me, but he did it.

[0:08:44] Voice 3: Now, the idea is that will never be used,

[0:08:46] Voice 3: but the fact that it could be built

[0:08:50] Voice 3: is what opens the door to something.

[0:08:52] Voice 3: So that land will then be donated

[0:08:55] Voice 3: through a funding market of Climate Change Canada

[0:08:59] Voice 3: to the Nature Conservancy, sorry, the Nature Trust of British Columbia, which is what the

[0:09:05] Voice 3: property across the road, the Helio Bernalami's property, and the Moniz property, it's all

[0:09:11] Voice 3: the Nature Trust of BC, so it's quite a significant landholding, so we're, and Charlie here as

[0:09:16] Voice 3: well, versed in this and knows quite a bit about it, and so we're hoping that this can

[0:09:20] Voice 3: come to pass in the very near future, so I know some folks who've been interested in

[0:09:27] Voice 3: that are not here today but that's i figured that a worthy topic for an update uh the densities

[0:09:34] Voice 3: moved around separately judy was kind enough to allow the densities to go their way without

[0:09:43] Voice 3: necessarily having the completion of the donation and so uh um so that has happened uh

[0:09:50] Voice 3: well that it's not fully the bios haven't really gone through yet that one thing i should add is

[0:09:55] Voice 3: there's some um interest in fact using the two uh the two densities of freedom to quote unquote

[0:10:03] Voice 3: purchase the wetland at um at east point you know in the center of uh of the uh of the uh of the

[0:10:12] Voice 3: peninsula there this is early days yeah i know there's been some communication between the

[0:10:16] Voice 3: landowner with both uh neighbors and we've got to get you involved around because there's some

[0:10:21] Voice 3: question about what's possible what isn't we haven't had time to do that yet but that's

[0:10:26] Voice 3: based on the list today um so that's kind of it from the i sit on the wellness committee

[0:10:32] Voice 3: there's been some discussion about how the governance committee has championed a

[0:10:37] Voice 3: a new interpretation of the trump mandate that overturns focus on the environment i don't think

[0:10:44] Voice 3: that's entirely accurate i think what basically the committee did was review all the legal

[0:10:49] Voice 3: interpretations from the last 30 years, 40 plus years really, and have come up with an

[0:10:57] Voice 3: analysis of what the act actually means, which basically states that human factors, shall

[0:11:03] Voice 3: we say, need to be balanced with environmental factors, as well as environmental factors

[0:11:09] Voice 3: with human factors.

[0:11:10] Voice 3: There needs to be a recognition that this was a place of a unique community, shall we

[0:11:15] Voice 3: say, as well as a unique ecosystem.

[0:11:17] Voice 3: system so we'll remain to be seen how workable that interpretation will be for just you know

[0:11:24] Voice 3: decisions going forward but i think it's a good start i don't think it i don't think it's basically

[0:11:29] Voice 3: a pro-tourism pro-development you know pro all human activity uh mandate that i've been reading

[0:11:37] Voice 3: some people have been writing editorials to the driftwood sort of saying saying i think that's a

[0:11:41] Voice 3: bit of a misunderstanding and they're giving you some capture there some of that by maybe not

[0:11:45] Voice 3: communicating as much as i could about what it had done and what the interpretation was but

[0:11:51] Voice 3: anyway that's my uh my 10-cent overview of matters according to me at this point thank you

[0:12:04] Voice 5: all right um unfortunately your fellow trustees have uh stolen my thunder that was all my stuff

[0:12:16] Voice 5: So the primary thing, I guess, our focus right now and a lot of energy is to hire a new CAO because, of course,

[0:12:25] Voice 5: that is the key employee that keeps the train on track so that our current person is possibly leaving June the 30th.

[0:12:37] Voice 5: um whether or not we have enough time to to do what we need to do between now and

[0:12:41] Voice 5: june 30th it's not clear um we might be um doing an interim hiring we just sort of we'll have to

[0:12:50] Voice 5: see what who the applicants are and how things go um and yes certainly the um interpretation

[0:12:58] Voice 5: um issues have been at the forefront recently uh by the editorial group for this past week

[0:13:07] Voice 5: um saying very mean words um but it's as you say it's not nothing's being reinterpreted or

[0:13:15] Voice 5: anything it's basically it's been consolidated all the various things over the years and

[0:13:21] Voice 5: this is a conclusion that has been reached so i guess we can only do what we can do

[0:13:28] Voice 3: yeah i mean i've got some thoughts on that but that was probably not the time

[0:13:31] Voice 3: So, tune in for the sequel.

[0:13:34] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:13:35] Voice 6: It gets more

[0:13:36] Voice 4: exciting straight out of the way.

[0:13:38] Voice 6: Could I just

[0:13:39] Voice 4: comment on this?

[0:13:41] Voice 4: A report from Wired Poverty.

[0:13:44] Voice 4: At the conclusion of that transaction,

[0:13:47] Voice 4: Satura went along with the longest contiguous wilderness corridor in the Civil Islands period.

[0:13:57] Voice 4: period. And that's an amazing thing for our little island, and well done trustees. That's

[0:14:03] Voice 4: very impressive news. So I'm curious, I'm hearing you guys getting it across the Touchdown

[0:14:12] Voice 4: line, but that's amazing. Well done.

[0:14:16] Voice 4: Yeah,

[0:14:17] Voice 3: thanks to the former trustee as well, who was in trouble with the lands, the former

[0:14:22] Voice 3: the money lines the uh the um uh the reservoir on the walk shed and stuff that uh i just deported

[0:14:31] Voice 3: from him and then carried on with and um yeah it is really neat yeah all

[0:14:37] Voice 6: right

[0:14:39] Voice 5: then we move on to

[0:14:40] Voice 5: our electoral director's report never ever take

[0:14:44] Voice 4: the torch from me because you're going to get

[0:14:46] Voice 4: burn just like that so oh yeah i could talk to you all day about biosolids and what we're doing with

[0:14:57] Voice 4: biosolids and how to remediate biosolids we should spread them on the land whether we should burn

[0:15:03] Voice 4: them or whatever but i don't think you're all that interested it's

[0:15:05] Voice 6: it's

[0:15:06] Voice 4: bullshit and so i'm focused

[0:15:10] Voice 4: and i haven't focused on housing and housing in the electoral areas we progress is slow but we're

[0:15:16] Voice 4: getting ready yes we got two and three quarter million dollars allocated uh to a galliano

[0:15:23] Voice 4: project which is great that's old news but we've actually now got a rural housing program that's

[0:15:30] Voice 4: been endorsed by the board that's quite old it happened yesterday about three o'clock

[0:15:37] Voice 4: so that's good we do have some external funding it's not a lot of money at the moment

[0:15:42] Voice 4: Southern Gulf Islands Tourism Partnership is committed to a minimum of $150,000 and probably closer to $350,000 in 2024.

[0:15:57] Voice 4: And so they get their funding from the accommodation taxes that the accommodators, hotels, communities, and whatever,

[0:16:09] Voice 4: our product is remit and that's part of their part of the tax you pay when you book a rent

[0:16:17] and so they get that money

[0:16:18] Voice 4: and they go through to generally global kind of marketing in the southern

[0:16:23] Voice 4: belt islands and salt spring but last year they put in 50 000 for for something called housing

[0:16:30] Voice 4: now connecting potential ventures with potential people with property and doing the kind of

[0:16:36] Voice 4: re-screening makes people less nervous about taking over their property so this year they started off

[0:16:43] Voice 4: committing 150,000 for 2024 and then we have opportunity depending upon what opportunities

[0:16:52] Voice 4: that's going to be good news and that's just the funding from external we're going to be

[0:16:58] Voice 4: doing a little bit of pilot projects and i'm pretty sure that crd is going to be funding

[0:17:05] Voice 4: significant amounts of millions of dollars because we just confirmed a

[0:17:12] Voice 4: bylaw that allows us to borrow 85 million dollars for housing up to 85

[0:17:17] Voice 4: million dollars which has freed people up because of the way we did it. We didn't go to

[0:17:24] Voice 4: referendum. We did a spot-and-go process.

[0:17:26] Voice 11: So if 10% of the resident electors, then we

[0:17:35] Voice 11: don't pass i believe 10

[0:17:37] Voice 4: of the crb people i'll have that's right

[0:17:42] Voice 4: so 31 000 people would have had to scan these ballots and email them back to the crb guess what

[0:17:53] Voice 4: we didn't get 31 000 people we got about 1800 people so um it is a good thing in my view i

[0:18:00] Voice 4: has supported it right through the entire process and why it's a good thing very quickly because

[0:18:09] Voice 4: we don't necessarily have to borrow the money crd's been very successful in getting matching

[0:18:14] Voice 4: funds so reaching pro home program we've been 40 million dollars we ended up with 120 million

[0:18:21] Voice 4: dollars crd's uh standalone housing corporation has built over 2 000 units of affordable housing

[0:18:28] Voice 4: one of the biggest providers for the housing and so we've been very successful and

[0:18:38] Voice 4: BC Housing, BC Bills, CMHC are coming with billions and billions of dollars over the

[0:18:46] Voice 4: next couple years and they're going to be wanting to partner that would be the name of the game

[0:18:52] Voice 4: you want to partner with other people that have the kind of money to match ours so we're hoping

[0:18:58] Voice 4: for two dollars in matching for every one dollar explaining and that's what i'm going to say because

[0:19:04] Voice 4: that's kind of stuff anyone that wants to talk about biosolids i know more about biosolids than

[0:19:09] Voice 4: what you want thank you i'm happy to take questions and questions or whatever it is

[0:19:17] Voice 2: david yes

[0:19:19] Voice 4: just

[0:19:20] Voice 2: a quick thing i contacted colin and he said use synet it's open

[0:19:29] Voice 2: and as a Wi-Fi I'm just checking if that's the one you're using yeah

[0:19:33] Voice 5: that's where we are we're

[0:19:34] Voice 5: on that now okay

[0:19:36] Voice 2: he said something about the controller being offline I have no idea what

[0:19:41] Voice 2: that actually meant but he said you sign it so that's the best we can get for the moment but

[0:19:47] Voice 2: Colin sometimes beavers away in the background so you never know what could happen okay thank you

[0:19:52] Voice 2: very much all

[0:19:54] Voice 11: right so we're going to have other questions if you want but

[0:20:04] Voice 11: this is paul's

[0:20:05] Voice 5: time to say anybody have any questions or

[0:20:09] Voice 6: thank

[0:20:12] Voice 4: you that's great

[0:20:13] Voice 4: come on let's take it up maybe we've got to be finished by 12.

[0:20:22] Voice 5: uh anybody have any questions at all about anything that's before us today or we're

[0:20:29] Voice 5: you're happy for us to proceed thank you very much all right so we don't have the community

[0:20:34] Voice 5: information we don't have a public area but we do have minutes before us um last time we were here

[0:20:40] Voice 5: a stunning amount of time um so we have minutes in front of you for approval um

[0:20:50] Voice 5: anybody have any concerns or comments about the minutes that don't we can adopt those by consent

[0:21:02] Voice 6: that's fine yes

[0:21:13] Voice 5: um so we have um local trust committee public carrier record um for october

[0:21:23] Voice 5: that i think this is for the c um and then we have a section 26 resolution without meeting report

[0:21:28] Voice 5: in february 2024 that's page 15. um justice for information um then we move on to our follow-up

[0:21:38] Voice 5: action list uh

[0:21:39] Voice 4: yeah just the two first resolutions uh there's a staff report for the gmc with

[0:21:45] Voice 4: respect to the uh southern incident killer whales and uh just to mary can you hear me

[0:21:51] Voice 4: can you hear me i

[0:21:53] Voice 2: can hear you and i just want to say i do have a password for the main

[0:21:57] Voice 2: wi-fi we could try

[0:21:59] Voice 4: yeah

[0:22:01] Voice 2: if there's a suitable kind of pause period we can just switch over and try it

[0:22:06] Voice 2: Okay, thanks. I can hear you.

[0:22:08] Voice 4: And just one other point. I just wanted to make sure you could hear.

[0:22:11] Voice 4: With respect to your special APC, we've only had two applicants so far.

[0:22:18] Voice 4: Jess confirmed to me yesterday, and the deadline is February 28th.

[0:22:22] Voice 4: There was an ad put in the Scribbler, and we encourage U.S. trustees and community members

[0:22:26] Voice 4: to either throw in your application or encourage others to, that would be a good fit with that.

[0:22:34] Voice 4: I know. Okay,

[0:22:36] Voice 2: I know the name of the three applicants. I won't tell you there's

[0:22:39] Voice 4: only been two actual.

[0:22:41] Voice 4: Jazz has only received two actual pieces, you know, documents in our name.

[0:22:47] Voice 4: So, okay. Okay, thanks.

[0:22:52] Voice 4: I do want to take a pause and quickly try to ask the other question.

[0:22:56] Voice 4: well

[0:22:57] Voice 5: i think we're working okay now so rather than poke our fingers into we'll go with what we have

[0:23:04] Voice 5: um first i should follow action list yeah thank you sir any questions at all everybody's okay

[0:23:11] Voice 5: with that thank you

[0:23:12] Voice 6: so

[0:23:14] Voice 5: we have a few things in correspondence um we have one um from from uh

[0:23:22] Voice 5: uh trust our chair luckham with regarding um taking out savage point on uh temple island

[0:23:32] Voice 5: which has gone through i believe um and then we have something from syria

[0:23:38] Voice 5: uh with regard to final amendments anything particularly wonderful who knows um i think we

[0:23:46] Voice 5: We have the author that we're

[0:23:49] Voice 3: glad to be here.

[0:23:49] Voice 3: I guess that would be a pleasure.

[0:23:50] Voice 3: You could maybe hear from the author if he was sort of willing to work.

[0:23:55] Voice 3: Absolutely.

[0:23:57] Voice 3: Have a good think, Chad.

[0:23:58] Voice 3: Go ahead, Steve.

[0:24:01] Voice 5: I'm throwing it in the bottle.

[0:24:03] Voice 5: So, Mr. Alloway, would you like to speak at all?

[0:24:08] Voice 5: I'm

[0:24:08] Voice 4: sorry.

[0:24:09] Voice 4: I wasn't supposed to do that.

[0:24:12] Voice 4: Following people around is always, always hard.

[0:24:16] Voice 4: So I'm the current serving chair of CIRA. CIRA's done a really deep dive. We spent well over a year trying to respond and say, what do we do as an island in response to housing needs?

[0:24:32] Voice 4: that's where it started and we finally focused on two we thought were modest changes to our bylaws

[0:24:42] Voice 4: that have had the on and the consequence of actually restricting the building of flexible

[0:24:49] Voice 4: housing and going to call me the missing middle it's it's alternate housing as opposed to sort of

[0:24:56] Voice 4: you know one lot one house it would be obviously would be multiple family residences possibly

[0:25:01] Voice 4: It would be secondary suites, both of which are top of mind when people are saying, what

[0:25:10] Voice 4: do you do to create better price housing?

[0:25:14] Voice 4: Housing is a better price

[0:25:16] Voice 11: point, and it's simply more affordable in the middle.

[0:25:31] Voice 11: And our islands really only have one very,

[0:25:34] Voice 4: very, very tiny lot that is approved for such

[0:25:38] Voice 4: use.

[0:25:38] Voice 4: And there's specific wording in our bylaw.

[0:25:41] Voice 4: of this because the only purpose for multiple family

[0:25:44] Voice 4: residents can be people who have physical needs, challenges.

[0:25:52] Voice 4: And Lee, can you read me off the specific wording?

[0:25:56] Voice 4: There is a specific prohibition in our bylaws

[0:25:59] Voice 4: that says the only real purpose of multiple family

[0:26:03] Voice 4: residents is retirement for special needs people

[0:26:07] Voice 4: or relative to charity.

[0:26:09] Voice 4: and what that basically has done is it's shut down any possibility of young families getting

[0:26:15] Voice 4: together co-buying a lot putting up two three families doing it you leverage down your building

[0:26:21] Voice 4: costs you suddenly have the hope of getting some different kinds of housing um it fits with

[0:26:29] Voice 4: province it fits with the federal government it fits with crd recommendations that's going on

[0:26:35] Voice 4: And it seemed

[0:26:37] Voice 11: to us like low-hanging fruit in classification.

[0:26:50] Voice 11: So it's not like we're opening things up

[0:26:52] Voice 4: hola hola.

[0:26:53] Voice 4: So there's nobody saying, take this specific restriction out.

[0:26:58] Voice 4: It's about 10 words.

[0:27:00] Voice 4: And some people say, anybody can apply if you've got an idea.

[0:27:05] Voice 4: And there's some really cool multiple-family residential stuff being designed and built elsewhere in the province.

[0:27:11] Voice 4: It just looks brilliant.

[0:27:13] Voice 4: That's number one. Number two has to do with secondary suites. And our councilor, the Island Trust, went through a very comprehensive and thorough process to approve secondary suites on our office.

[0:27:31] Voice 4: And all the wording got done. It was in keeping with the Official Plan, etc.

[0:27:35] Voice 4: There's a schedule, I believe it's Schedule E, if you can correct me, that got put in

[0:27:45] Voice 4: as part of that process that said, basically, save and accept for what the map said on Schedule

[0:27:53] Voice 4: E. This is a schedule where secondary streets will not be permitted in the interest of conserving,

[0:28:01] Voice 4: safeguarding possible abuse or depletion of the underlying water activities it's had the result

[0:28:10] Voice 4: and again unintended consequences nobody's knows it's all fair it's done two things

[0:28:19] Voice 4: one is it's pushed the ability to build a secondary suite basically onto the lots that are

[0:28:28] Voice 4: certainly being serviced by the group of our river water to make about 165 hookups at this point

[0:28:35] Voice 4: there's 30 more in the queue that are approved at no time has it complicated that little system

[0:28:42] Voice 4: and lots of services was going to bear the grudge of an island secondary please um serious

[0:28:53] Voice 4: So I'm going back two years. We looked at all the signs of realty and we are officially on a record as saying some of them are unsuspect.

[0:29:03] Voice 4: We moved right past them and said never mind the water debate.

[0:29:07] Voice 4: Who did it catch with?

[0:29:10] Voice 4: 21,000 litres is I think the current requirement for the east, for the flipside water management area.

[0:29:20] Voice 4: area. 21,000 is obviously an approved number that's been approved historically. I want

[0:29:28] Voice 4: to say, instead of having to say you can't build secondary suites across 85% of our island,

[0:29:35] Voice 11: just make water catchment a requirement if you're not forcing this down

[0:29:48] Voice 4: any owners. We're

[0:29:51] Voice 4: not forcing anything except to say, here's some options, guys. And as you're looking

[0:29:56] Voice 4: But looking through the next 10 years of building, these

[0:30:00] Voice 4: be variable they should be options that people should be allowed to consider currently there's

[0:30:05] Voice 4: a very unfair burden that that has arisen uh i've already mentioned the harbors that 165 properties

[0:30:17] Voice 4: this isn't being the options are being evenly offered to all of our residents and that's

[0:30:29] Voice 4: And so those are the two that

[0:30:33] Voice 11: we're requesting, we think they're the official plan currently

[0:30:46] Voice 11: is only about 135

[0:30:47] Voice 4: density left before we are able to build it and if we don't get the right

[0:30:58] Voice 4: environment planning environment we're going to wind up with another 135 000 that are not

[0:31:04] Voice 4: really what we need for what we need and so this is the time to get it right um we got

[0:31:10] Voice 4: sort of right last quarter over 800 600 densities we already have 435 uh 200 which are seasonal um

[0:31:21] Voice 4: i mean is everything i think these changes need to be made thanks thank you very much

[0:31:29] Voice 6: thank you so based

[0:31:33] Voice 5: on that do we want to add this somewhere to a list somewhere

[0:31:41] Voice 5: um yes i think

[0:31:43] Voice 3: it's all right i think the schedule is on the list currently as sort of a project in

[0:31:50] Voice 3: waiting i may be wrong about that to recall reading that and i think did the multifamily

[0:31:55] Voice 3: don't also make it on that list from christy bowland last time um we would have to check

[0:32:04] Voice 3: it's page 70 i guess it would be 79.

[0:32:13] Voice 6: i

[0:32:22] Voice 4: think this is there and it's

[0:32:26] Voice 4: discussed by trustee the last meeting um and the other

[0:32:30] Voice 4: other pieces around the multi-pan intensity pieces out there. What I would say is that

[0:32:39] Voice 4: the second of three, I think, is pretty simple. It's revisiting the map.

[0:32:44] Voice 4: Well, we do have this on the agenda, but what I would say with respect to the other pieces,

[0:32:53] Voice 4: it's certainly a more complex conversation if you start talking about

[0:32:56] Voice 4: about moving away from your model of non-profit,

[0:32:59] Voice 4: obviously we're talking about multifamily

[0:33:01] Voice 4: versus like a private ownership model

[0:33:07] Voice 4: and how you manage who's buying those.

[0:33:10] Voice 4: And there's, we've been down this really with other areas,

[0:33:14] Voice 4: including on me, we had these conversations a fair amount.

[0:33:19] Voice 4: You know, it's impossible to restrict the purchase

[0:33:23] Voice 4: for those to local families and young families so it becomes starts to become driven by the market

[0:33:30] Voice 4: forces so your intended goal of providing housing for young families and teachers may not be

[0:33:38] Voice 4: healthy conditions so there's always a reason much more complex conversation with respect to how

[0:33:45] Voice 4: that runs with those and all of those different pieces and how the lines are i

[0:33:53] Voice 11: don't think there's

[0:33:54] Voice 11: another shape of development so it's pretty good so we'll

[0:34:07] Voice 5: simply direct here am

[0:34:09] Voice 4: i allowed to speak

[0:34:11] Voice 4: okay so as i spoke about the amount of dollars going into or the amount of focus

[0:34:21] Voice 4: We are definitely focused on housing here and we're looking at every potential way.

[0:34:30] Voice 4: We recently in the last, I guess, 10 days after quite a bit of lobbying, including thankfully

[0:34:36] Voice 4: by a former premier, Mike Hartford, on our behalf, got included in the province's secondary

[0:34:42] Voice 4: suite program where they gave out a $40,000 grant and we have been discussing internally

[0:34:49] Voice 4: As part of the rural housing program, matching program will be providing additional $30,000.

[0:34:56] Voice 4: So regionally, and in respect of the two electoral areas and the party on the truss, the focus

[0:35:04] Voice 4: is going to be very much so on secondary students, so that people are fully aware of that.

[0:35:11] Voice 4: And however we get out of it, we're going to take it.

[0:35:16] Voice 4: so we clarified also that multi-unit analysis is going to be considered on these islands and earth

[0:35:22] Voice 4: as country court they have an application in front of the address for or i believe

[0:35:28] Voice 4: that what we do like the united states variation um so to maybe add an additional unit

[0:35:39] Voice 4: um we have a perfect spot down at the country court it's still for four more units currently

[0:35:45] Voice 11: And, you know, there are restrictions.

[0:35:52] Voice 11: We have the progressives, and otherwise, you know, we're

[0:35:56] Voice 4: not going to do what we need to

[0:35:57] Voice 4: do with the people.

[0:35:58] Voice 4: I'll call them in that fourth quartile, I don't know if they're as good as the people

[0:36:04] Voice 4: that are in the first quartile, which we have a lot of them, right?

[0:36:09] Voice 4: And there's a lot of youth involved, we have an elderly demographic.

[0:36:13] Voice 4: So this is the regional districts push.

[0:36:16] Voice 4: push. And so we're hoping that the trust in the regional district can align. I know there's

[0:36:23] Voice 4: been a great deal of alignment on the main island initiatives and a joint application

[0:36:32] Voice 4: to the CMHC Housing Accelerator Fund. So we're delighted to be paddling the canoe in the

[0:36:40] Voice 4: same direction that's just my pitch for housing in the south thank

[0:36:48] Voice 11: you we currently the ability

[0:37:02] Voice 3: for spot rezoning for within abroad well maybe narrow purpose which would be uh perhaps the

[0:37:10] Voice 3: multi-family but the not-for-profit residential um model and then it's such that if that land were

[0:37:17] Voice 3: ever resold and not used for that purpose it would revert to its original zone is that accurate or is

[0:37:25] Voice 3: that something i

[0:37:25] Voice 4: will say

[0:37:27] Voice 4: it's it's more like you you have you have the option to say specific zone

[0:37:32] Voice 4: anywhere so obviously

[0:37:34] Voice 6: that

[0:37:35] Voice 4: is your role as trustees so if there's a particular person that

[0:37:40] Voice 4: was then rezone for affordable housing or community housing and it was going to be non-profit

[0:37:46] Voice 4: typically you would have a housing agreement

[0:37:48] Voice 4: on to that as well.

[0:37:49] Voice 4: And so the housing agreement would be the tool

[0:37:52] Voice 4: to find the rents

[0:37:54] Voice 4: loan. And so on Galliano,

[0:37:56] Voice 4: for example, we just went through

[0:37:58] Voice 4: two pieces of property,

[0:38:00] Voice 4: zoning, where non-for-profit organizations

[0:38:03] Voice 4: work through

[0:38:04] Voice 4: the process of rezoning. And one of the instruments

[0:38:06] Voice 4: at the end of the day was

[0:38:07] Voice 4: a housing agreement,

[0:38:10] Voice 4: which is also a section

[0:38:12] Voice 4: 219 covenant that goes on top of

[0:38:14] Voice 4: the land. So even if there's a

[0:38:16] Voice 4: a future owner they're bound to the operation within that housing agreement which speaks to

[0:38:24] Voice 4: tenancy which speaks to you know management over time speaks to rental rates all of those things

[0:38:32] Voice 4: and then typically you know if there's public funding you know you see housing funding they

[0:38:39] Voice 4: have their own housing agreement as well so there's all these sorts of different layers

[0:38:42] Voice 4: that start to encumber the land

[0:38:45] Voice 4: to really build it up.

[0:38:48] Voice 4: And that's a much easier conversation

[0:38:51] Voice 4: talking about not-for-profit housing

[0:38:54] Voice 4: with all those other instruments

[0:38:56] Voice 4: that ensure that you can manage

[0:38:58] Voice 4: who is living there

[0:38:59] Voice 4: and what they're paying for the month

[0:39:04] Voice 4: versus a model of private development

[0:39:09] Voice 4: where you don't have all those instruments

[0:39:11] Voice 4: instruments or even private development where you have some of those instruments are much

[0:39:15] Voice 4: harder maybe to exercise and enforce than they would be often modeling you know that's

[0:39:22] Voice 3: how you don't mind us having this conversation I don't think it's very topical for so may we ask

[0:39:29] Voice 3: the regional director having heard what our planner has just said with the you know the

[0:39:36] Voice 3: initiatives that you describe are they compatible with that type of zoning or is the initiatives you

[0:39:42] Voice 3: describe needs zoning uh that would be a more open type of zoning for multi-family in general

[0:39:49] Voice 3: not necessarily for profit but without as many shall we say caveats or restrictions as we deserve

[0:39:57] Voice 4: open more open would be preferred but we could probably work with it more restrictions

[0:40:03] Voice 4: the less likely it's going to meet the threshold.

[0:40:07] Voice 4: So as we've heard repeatedly from very senior people at CMHC and at BC High Center, they're

[0:40:16] Voice 4: either not prepared to invest in properties in the on-site area or they're extremely reluctant

[0:40:23] Voice 11: to.

[0:40:23] Voice 4: So

[0:40:24] Voice 11: whatever we can do to signal, I'm okay.

[0:40:32] Voice 11: But I have to be aware.

[0:40:35] Voice 4: aware, and we work well with the CRD from staff to staff, but we are aware that there

[0:40:42] Voice 4: is a history of not being able to

[0:40:48] Voice 3: progress things in a manner that's consistent with

[0:40:51] Voice 3: getting housing, affordable housing, built

[0:40:53] Voice 4: quickly and reasonably. I was asking for a

[0:40:57] Voice 3: mushy

[0:41:00] Voice 3: non-respondent

[0:41:01] Voice 3: is that. He's a politician.

[0:41:03] Voice 3: If you want to

[0:41:05] Voice 3: to your pleasure, we have a hand over there.

[0:41:07] Voice 3: We'll do the hand over there.

[0:41:10] Voice 4: Well,

[0:41:11] Voice 4: I guess

[0:41:13] Voice 4: just by way of response,

[0:41:16] Voice 11: I think we're

[0:41:17] Voice 11: the stigma

[0:41:29] Voice 11: of multi-panel residents

[0:41:30] Voice 4: and affordable housing.

[0:41:32] Voice 4: People who want to choose to live together

[0:41:34] Voice 4: or in closer proximity

[0:41:35] Voice 4: that they should be allowed that choice and the private market actually is amazingly creative

[0:41:43] Voice 4: being able to find capital to build houses that's historically been the source of housing has been

[0:41:49] Voice 4: private sector people putting up houses either for their own use or for resale i'm sensing this

[0:41:56] Voice 4: conversation that one of the engines that could drive solutions is actually being shut down in

[0:42:05] Voice 4: in the name of preferring something that involves public money,

[0:42:09] Voice 4: public governance, public supervision.

[0:42:13] Voice 4: And while all of that is laudable,

[0:42:16] Voice 11: I don't think it should be.

[0:42:19] Voice 11: My point just to that is that I totally

[0:42:32] Voice 4: agree, and I completely agree.

[0:42:33] Voice 4: I'm just pointing out the complexity and challenges based on the OCP

[0:42:37] Voice 4: and the regulatory regime of Saturn Island and the local trust.

[0:42:43] Voice 4: It is a complex conversation, so start talking about the conversation you're raising, even though it makes a lot of sense.

[0:42:51] Voice 4: What the main challenge has been, how do you control who is buying which properties?

[0:42:59] Voice 4: It becomes then really contrary to a lot of the principles within the RCP if you can't control that.

[0:43:06] Voice 4: So that's just my point.

[0:43:09] Voice 13: I don't know if this is the place for this conversation or not, but I agree that some form of low-cost subsidized housing, call it what you will, would be very valuable to this community.

[0:43:23] Voice 13: But I've lived here for a long time, and there's a lot of houses for a lot of people, and a lot of those houses are now in second or third ownership because people age.

[0:43:36] Voice 13: You can't seem to get around that, and at some point, you can't clean your roof or your

[0:43:45] Voice 13: gutters or do your yard or all of the things that are required in our community, it's virtually

[0:43:50] Voice 13: impossible to hire anybody to do those tasks, so people move.

[0:43:56] Voice 13: And those people I'm referring to would not want to go to a one bedroom OAP style unit.

[0:44:04] Voice 13: that they would like to have different housing and i don't see any reason why under certain

[0:44:12] Voice 13: limitations possibly in terms of numbers and densities that that kind of housing should not

[0:44:20] Voice 13: be allowed in this community because a lot of people would love to stay on here and go out feet

[0:44:26] Voice 13: feet first, rather than go to some other form of living somewhere else, because they can't

[0:44:35] Voice 13: do the maintenance, they can't quite hang in here. But if they were in a multiple unit,

[0:44:42] Voice 13: those issues would be taken care of. And they could stay on and enjoy their twilight years

[0:44:49] Voice 13: more than going somewhere else. And so I think we have a need for that. And that needs to be

[0:44:55] Voice 13: addressed that i understand from um you know our really tight uh regulations here that that might

[0:45:03] Voice 13: be difficult but i think it's worth trying

[0:45:06] Voice 11: to go through thank you so talk about your minor

[0:45:27] Voice 4: projects and your major projects slots and you can maybe come to some decision yeah

[0:45:32] Voice 1: there's a lot of

[0:45:33] Voice 1: work

[0:45:33] Voice 4: going on with housing across the trust area as you know from the working trust council there's

[0:45:38] Voice 4: a housing toolkit and there's there's a lot of impetus of course with all the programs so

[0:45:49] Voice 4: the LTC certainly might be down the pathway that other trustees are down looking at secondary

[0:45:55] Voice 4: suites so you could look at the options being discussed here today or any other and the scope

[0:46:02] Voice 4: of that i guess determines if it's a major project carolina project i see the secondary suite one

[0:46:09] Voice 4: fairly easy to work through in terms of looking at something about them but we can talk about that

[0:46:16] Voice 4: yeah um until then you guys can talk about this okay

[0:46:20] Voice 5: so we'll we'll get later

[0:46:22] Voice 3: in the agenda yeah

[0:46:23] Voice 3: is that there is i think there's a surplus secondary or a minor project there that i

[0:46:27] Voice 3: don't i don't think that i could but the blue one has been sat for a while so we could

[0:46:31] Voice 3: just it would be good even just in a research phase what could a multiple zoning look like

[0:46:39] Voice 3: examples from say well that i know of that i've seen and you know without committing to an ocp

[0:46:45] Voice 3: review or anything like that actually make it a sort of more research oriented look at um

[0:46:52] Voice 3: and i'll say some more too when we get to that section about just what i

[0:46:56] Voice 3: what else i think we could do in concert with that um excellent

[0:46:59] Voice 5: okay all right so we will we will

[0:47:03] Voice 5: cut it down the agenda a little bit and we thank the center for the letter absolutely yes all right

[0:47:11] Voice 5: so we have application referrals before us um first one is north tender low trust me referral

[0:47:17] Voice 5: for respond one day i'm hoping that something will be an issue is this

[0:47:31] Voice 6: so page 25

[0:47:32] Voice 3: this is this is what our director was regional director it was an office moments ago

[0:47:41] Voice 3: punctual court racial

[0:47:45] Voice 4: director i also understood that this referral from adjacent um adjacent

[0:47:53] Voice 4: islands was not going to continue at at uh since that's been transferred at the discretion of the

[0:48:02] Voice 4: I thought in this case it might be interesting for the students to understand that affordable

[0:48:08] Voice 4: housing is being worked on, depending on how it might relate to some of the stuff we're

[0:48:13] Voice 4: talking about.

[0:48:14] Voice 4: Good reply.

[0:48:17] Voice 4: I've been at it a lot.

[0:48:20] Voice 5: Another start for planners.

[0:48:22] Voice 5: That's a lot.

[0:48:25] Voice 5: So do the good trustees of Turnip Island see that their interests are affected by this?

[0:48:33] Voice 5: They're not, except positively

[0:48:35] Voice 3: perhaps by a shining example of creative housing development.

[0:48:43] Voice 6: So

[0:48:44] Voice 5: we need a motion to that effect.

[0:48:46] Voice 5: Is that right?

[0:48:48] Voice 5: Um, you can promise us a motion we'll just see that the, uh, the infants were unaffected by this.

[0:48:55] Voice 3: Okay, I'll, I'll make that a motion to sign on with trust communities, uh,

[0:49:00] Voice 3: if infants are unaffected by this by-law or by-law,

[0:49:04] Voice 5: by-law 234.

[0:49:07] Voice 5: Um, so just because we are struggling, I will just confirm,

[0:49:12] Voice 5: um, that the Recording Secretary did actually get that.

[0:49:15] Voice 8: Yes, thank you, I got it.

[0:49:17] Voice 5: Okay, perfect. So any further discussion on that? If not, we will call the question. All in favor? That carries. Thank you.

[0:49:29] Voice 5: Thanks.

[0:49:34] Voice 5: So now we move to S.A.R.S.N. 2023.2. Is it a bi-check?

[0:49:41] Voice 5: That report is attached, so I understand. Do you want to walk us through?

[0:49:46] Voice 5: Thank

[0:49:47] Voice 4: you. So this will bring our proposed bylaws number 14011481 back for LHC consideration of second reading and giving direction to staff to schedule a public hearing.

[0:50:03] Voice 4: Staff are recommending that we schedule that electronically given the gap you've enough between your next three meetings.

[0:50:10] Voice 4: needs. So, staff have completed all the bylaws for the process

[0:50:16] Voice 4: requirements. There were no significant concerns raised in

[0:50:22] Voice 4: those referrals, both to person agents and agencies. There are

[0:50:26] Voice 4: some comments from Island Health and CRV Integrated Water

[0:50:29] Voice 4: Services around increased water demand in the future and

[0:50:32] Voice 4: development, but I think they misunderstood that those laws

[0:50:36] Voice 4: was fully developed and built up with all those approvals in place already and accessing the system

[0:50:46] Voice 4: yeah i think uh i think if you are ready to give second reading that will give you a discussion

[0:50:52] Voice 4: about skipping all the time a public hearing and stuff with um time needed to do the notices and

[0:51:07] Voice 4: And staff would suggest that we could maybe April 1st is the time.

[0:51:13] Voice 4: I mean, come away the week prior to that.

[0:51:16] Voice 3: Because our next public meeting is the one we're talking about moving,

[0:51:20] Voice 3: which is late May.

[0:51:21] Voice 3: That's right.

[0:51:22] Voice 3: Your next meeting is not until May 16th.

[0:51:24] Voice 3: Yeah, I support that idea.

[0:51:26] Voice 3: Then it would be good with electronic timing that suits staff in terms of

[0:51:31] Voice 3: ability to prepare the necessary documentation and notices and yeah so yeah okay i think we

[0:51:39] Voice 4: would look at probably uh april 4th perhaps thursday or april 2nd summer somewhere in those

[0:51:44] Voice 4: if that would speak but we don't

[0:51:47] Voice 4: need to nail the date so you can go directly okay i will look at

[0:51:51] Voice 4: that if you are good at that would it be appropriate to

[0:51:54] Voice 3: bring the greens and locals at

[0:51:55] Voice 3: this point because i think we understand well i think that's an excellent job on sort of facilitating

[0:52:02] Voice 3: this thinking outside the box and we thank the applicants for their patience and sticking with

[0:52:08] Voice 3: the process and so without further ado i'll move that the saturn island little trust committee

[0:52:15] Voice 3: bylaw number 140 cited as saturn island official committee plan bylaw number 72 000 amendment

[0:52:21] Voice 3: Amendment number 1, 2023, be read a second time.

[0:52:25] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:52:26] Voice 3: Trustee Bourne, do you second that?

[0:52:28] Voice 2: Yes, I do.

[0:52:29] Voice 2: I second that.

[0:52:30] Voice 5: Second.

[0:52:30] Voice 5: Any

[0:52:30] Voice 6: discussion on that?

[0:52:40] Voice 6: No.

[0:52:42] Voice 6: No?

[0:52:48] Voice 3: All right.

[0:52:49] Voice 3: So I moved it to Saturna Island Trust Committee bylaw number 1 for once.

[0:52:54] Voice 3: I did a Saturna Island land use bylaw number 119, 2018.

[0:52:58] Voice 3: Amendment number 2, 2023.

[0:53:02] Voice 3: be read a second time seconded yeah

[0:53:06] Voice 2: i second that in

[0:53:07] Voice 5: the second day for the discussion

[0:53:10] Voice 5: all the questions in favor in

[0:53:13] Voice 7: favor that

[0:53:14] Voice 3: carries you okay and i'll throw the move that the

[0:53:17] Voice 3: saturn island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a public hearing or application s a

[0:53:22] Voice 3: rz 2023.2 hr to be held electronically via a special meeting seconded yes

[0:53:30] Voice 2: seconded okay

[0:53:32] Voice 5: Any discussion?

[0:53:33] Voice 2: No.

[0:53:34] Voice 5: All in favour?

[0:53:35] Voice 5: Yes, in favour.

[0:53:38] Voice 3: Carries, thank you.

[0:53:39] Voice 3: And then finally, I'll move that the Saturna Highland Local Trust Committee direct staff

[0:53:44] Voice 3: to schedule a community information meeting on application S.A.R. 2023.2.

[0:53:54] Voice 2: You've dropped out.

[0:54:02] Voice 5: Seconded, Trustee Woland?

[0:54:05] Voice 2: Seconded, yeah.

[0:54:06] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:54:08] Voice 5: We'll do a discussion about the question.

[0:54:09] Voice 5: all

[0:54:10] Voice 2: right i'm in favor that

[0:54:16] Voice 6: carries okay

[0:54:19] Voice 5: all right excellent yes thank you very much we're moving

[0:54:24] Voice 5: forward thank you

[0:54:26] Voice 5: i'm glad you think that way all right so now we move on to uh essay lately

[0:54:35] Voice 5: we have learned on 23.1, Mr. Collingwood and his staff get attached. That is page 49.

[0:54:47] Voice 4: Okay, so this is a greeting back information with respect to Mr. Hall's Agricultural Land

[0:54:53] Voice 4: Commission, the exclusion application. That's before the Local Trust Committee.

[0:54:59] Voice 4: The staff have done a bunch of work. In the last meeting, you directed staff to seek more

[0:55:05] Voice 4: more information from the LIAC's impersonation

[0:55:08] Voice 4: with respect to their request for a safe visit.

[0:55:10] Voice 4: That information is included in the staff report.

[0:55:13] Voice 4: And we've also asked staff to seek more

[0:55:18] Voice 11: information from the agricultural work

[0:55:32] Voice 11: to provide for that information.

[0:55:37] Voice 4: It's helpful for me to walk through it,

[0:55:40] Voice 4: or are you comfortable with just getting

[0:55:43] Voice 4: to any questions you may have with that information?

[0:55:47] Voice 3: i mean it's good i don't want to just breeze over it that maybe you could walk

[0:55:51] Voice 3: through the highlights i think that's probably useful so

[0:55:56] Voice 4: uh with respect to your

[0:56:00] Voice 11: solution the analysis of respect owner of the exclusion trust

[0:56:21] Voice 4: committee uh needs to turn their

[0:56:23] Voice 4: mind to uh in accordance or the changes in the legislation are driven to uh require that the

[0:56:32] Voice 4: the government can spend

[0:56:33] Voice 12: more time considering these

[0:56:35] Voice 4: inclusion exclusion applications not as one

[0:56:37] Voice 4: of us but as part of providing ocp review and planning processes there is still a mechanism

[0:56:47] Voice 4: for property owners to make the request to the local government to consider an exclusion

[0:56:54] Voice 4: application, which

[0:56:56] Voice 4: Mr. Hall has done, and so the LTC now has the option to proceed with

[0:57:03] Voice 4: that application or to refuse that application, and

[0:57:08] Voice 11: so both of those things have to, there

[0:57:17] Voice 11: is some community benefit to the game, there is some potential in that perspective with

[0:57:42] Voice 4: the sense missing at this point that will preclude staff from directing that recommendation.

[0:57:52] Voice 4: So there is some information around the inclusion and exclusion process steps. The main point

[0:58:00] Voice 4: being there is that the decisions are independent of each other. The inclusion and the exclusion

[0:58:06] Voice 4: are considered on the merits of the ALC Act and particularly the PURP 6.

[0:58:14] Voice 4: For exclusion applications, as we've talked about, the application comes as a request

[0:58:22] Voice 4: to the LTC and the LTC is required to pass the resolution and go through all those steps

[0:58:26] Voice 4: that we've been through, including notifying agencies, including a lot of the local governments

[0:58:33] Voice 4: and First Nations, which we've done, and also holding a public hearing, which we've done,

[0:58:38] Voice 4: so that LIACS and information has been received through that process. Keeping the inclusion,

[0:58:48] Voice 4: the LTC doesn't have the ability to refuse an inclusion application. It is submitted through

[0:58:55] Voice 4: the LTC to the ALC, and the LTC can provide comments and recommendations around that,

[0:59:02] Voice 4: of it has no option to refuse it as they do with the exclusion portion. Talk about the specific

[0:59:13] Voice 4: making authority of the ALC and how it's fairly limited to sexual sex and this question that

[0:59:20] Voice 4: because of that the ALC may not consider all the broader contextual questions and issues around

[0:59:29] Voice 4: inclusion and exclusion applications that a local government would be tasked to do so.

[0:59:37] Voice 4: the legislation is meant for you to be considering that in your

[0:59:40] Voice 4: global community-led or community-driven review process process steps are there

[0:59:49] Voice 4: so you

[0:59:51] Voice 12: would have an uh an

[0:59:52] Voice 4: exclusion meeting so as the applicants

[1:00:03] Voice 4: confirm that if the applicant, or if the exclusion portion was refused, they would state in writing that the inclusion portion was received prior to the decision being made.

[1:00:17] Voice 4: In terms of what the Jackson provided, I think they provided some reasonable and sound rationale as to why they sent visits to

[1:00:26] Voice 4: these places where there's potential historical cultural use and very near to knowing

[1:00:38] Voice 4: registered archaeological sites staff are still reviewing that as soon as it would be appropriate

[1:00:44] Voice 4: prior to considering if you move forward with the exclusion proposal

[1:00:49] Voice 4: proposal. As there is no opportunity to charge fees, as was clarified in the Young Anderson

[1:00:57] Voice 4: advice, the option from the staff perspective

[1:01:02] Voice 6: would be for seeking voluntary

[1:01:04] Voice 6: to proceed

[1:01:23] Voice 4: with a site visit should we properly and voluntarily allow that to continue

[1:01:33] Voice 4: to invite them onto their lands to provide that opportunity for them

[1:01:41] Voice 4: to observe the land base before they make any comments

[1:01:45] Voice 4: about whether they're concerned or not.

[1:01:47] Voice 4: I guess I did that.

[1:01:50] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:01:51] Voice 5: Trustee Wallin patiently had her hand up,

[1:01:54] Voice 5: so maybe we'll pass on to her, get her feedback.

[1:02:01] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:02:02] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:02:03] Voice 2: Thanks, Brad.

[1:02:04] Voice 2: Brad. I have a script prepared. I've shared it with Brad in case you can't hear me. Actually,

[1:02:12] Voice 2: I'd prefer Lee to read it because he's actually, I can hear him more clearly. So I will forward it

[1:02:19] Voice 2: to Lee right now. So if, for instance, if the whole thing goes down, please feel free to read

[1:02:25] Voice 2: this I'd be happy please so I'll get going um so I I've spent a lot of time on this

[1:02:35] Voice 2: reading and talking and reading and thinking I won't take you uh into every cul-de-sac of my

[1:02:43] Voice 2: thoughts be thankful I wrote a script so that I stay on track um I'm just switching over here so

[1:02:51] Voice 2: so I can see the Zoom as I read.

[1:02:53] Voice 2: Hold on, so I don't miss you telling me you can't hear me.

[1:02:56] Voice 2: Fine.

[1:03:00] Voice 2: So, first of all, I'd like to thank staff at the Trust and the AOC

[1:03:04] Voice 2: and Ron for their diligence and quick responses to questions.

[1:03:10] Voice 2: Have you still got me?

[1:03:12] Voice 2: Yeah?

[1:03:13] Voice 5: Yeah, we've got you.

[1:03:14] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:03:15] Voice 5: So,

[1:03:16] Voice 2: just some reflections, challenges.

[1:03:18] Voice 2: challenges the agricultural land reserve process is new and we were unfamiliar with it it's the

[1:03:25] Voice 2: first time undertaking it so no precedent to follow the process has taken a lot of time both

[1:03:32] Voice 2: for the landowner trust staff and trustees none of us had a clear view of all possible outcomes

[1:03:38] Voice 2: or extra risks costs in advance and the first transaction i'm designating of that under the

[1:03:46] Voice 2: new process is complicated by having both exclusion and inclusion aspects positives

[1:03:53] Voice 2: the agriculture land commission were very responsive to um with advice eventually we

[1:04:03] Voice 2: understood that the ltc must make the exclusion application and that the landowner makes the

[1:04:09] Voice 2: inclusion application, they are considered separately but concurrently. Inclusion can be

[1:04:16] Voice 2: withdrawn if exclusion fails. General observations, if recommended, a site visit opportunity

[1:04:25] Voice 2: by staff and elders would be offered or should be offered to all relevant First Nations

[1:04:31] Voice 2: and cost and logistics could escalate.

[1:04:36] Voice 2: There are archaeological sites marked on the coast

[1:04:39] Voice 2: in the vicinity of the two parcels.

[1:04:43] Voice 2: Do the 15-metre buffer zones intersect

[1:04:46] Voice 2: with the outline of the exclusion or inclusion zones?

[1:04:51] Voice 2: I believe not.

[1:04:53] Voice 2: And my question would be,

[1:04:55] Voice 2: how does the ALC slash the province view these sites

[1:04:59] Voice 2: and the buffer zone when they deliberate

[1:05:00] Voice 2: collaborate in similar circumstances. Change of use. What is the potential physical impact of the

[1:05:08] Voice 2: proposed change? Forestry activities and limited development is currently allowed.

[1:05:15] Voice 2: It may be more usual to request technical reports and evaluations, e.g. soil suitability as provided

[1:05:21] Voice 2: or archaeology reports. The ALC indicated, this was a verbal report only, that they would not

[1:05:29] Voice 2: usually support such a site visit request based on cost, but would endeavour to deal with any

[1:05:35] Voice 2: queries on a staff-to-staff basis. So my initial, but I might say not my final thought was a request

[1:05:44] Voice 2: for a site visit is reasonable and site visits could be a good way to build relationships.

[1:05:49] Voice 2: However, my final thoughts are we need more advice from higher levels of government before we

[1:05:57] Voice 2: recommend or require site visits of this nature on private land. Such a requirement by the trust

[1:06:06] Voice 2: of a private landowner could run the risk of setting a precedent with unclear consequences

[1:06:13] Voice 2: or follow through. While wanting to be respectful to all involved, I would prefer to have more

[1:06:23] Voice 2: knowledge. I am looking for more information before we would go this route. Indigenous rights

[1:06:31] Voice 2: are the responsibility of the province and federal authorities. Rights where land is held privately

[1:06:38] Voice 2: are unclear to me. I acknowledge that archaeological and heritage sites have specific protection.

[1:06:45] Voice 2: protection. Following an application for exclusion, the ALC and the LTC must meet to consider the

[1:06:54] Voice 2: application and the applicant may attend. Additional information may be sought and might require

[1:07:00] Voice 2: site visits. ALC have history and experience to share with us in that required meeting and advice

[1:07:11] Voice 2: for future and if we go the route that well let me skip on conclusion i would lean towards recommend

[1:07:22] Voice 2: that the saturn ltc should make the application for exclusion based on the madrone technical report

[1:07:30] Voice 2: on balance it's a net gain for the ar or and the location of the known archaeological sites

[1:07:37] Voice 2: Include the feedback and requests from First Nations.

[1:07:41] Voice 2: Begin the required dialogue with the ALC on exclusion application as a matter of urgency.

[1:07:48] Voice 2: Further consideration of the responses from First Nations will be part of those discussions.

[1:07:56] Voice 2: We should request a meeting with the ALC to consider the inclusion application as well as a matter of urgency.

[1:08:03] Voice 2: this application yeah

[1:08:06] Voice 5: we lost you when

[1:08:09] Voice 2: did you lose me

[1:08:10] Voice 3: at the phrase begin the required dialogue

[1:08:13] Voice 3: so just go from okay okay good

[1:08:17] Voice 2: job we don't have to go back too far okay begin the required dialogue

[1:08:22] Voice 2: on the exclude with the alc on the exclusion application as a matter of urgency further

[1:08:31] Voice 2: Further consideration of the responses from First Nations will be part of those discussions

[1:08:38] Voice 2: and request a meeting with the ALC to consider the inclusion application as well

[1:08:45] Voice 2: as a matter of urgency. This application must be submitted by the owner and a meeting may not be

[1:08:53] Voice 2: required but we need to request it. Further consideration of the responses from First

[1:08:59] Voice 2: will be part of those discussions too.

[1:09:03] Voice 2: So I would go with the staff,

[1:09:07] Voice 2: I think it's the second recommendation,

[1:09:10] Voice 2: the alternative recommendation,

[1:09:12] Voice 2: which is to go ahead with the application for exclusion

[1:09:15] Voice 2: with the requirement that we have those required meetings ASAP.

[1:09:22] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:09:27] Voice 12: Thank

[1:09:28] Voice 6: you very much, Trustee

[1:09:30] Voice 5: Melton.

[1:09:33] Voice 3: yes i appreciate trustee boland going to the time to actually sort through the thoughts or

[1:09:39] Voice 3: thoughts on this

[1:09:40] Voice 11: application because it is complex i know there's a caveat but to what

[1:09:55] Voice 3: criteria would the agricultural land commission apply considerations by first nations in their

[1:10:01] Voice 3: decisions now connor smith has been pretty clear that they don't apply much in his experience

[1:10:10] Voice 3: why don't you paraphrase one I

[1:10:12] Voice 4: would say that the ALC told me or the the ALC's responsibility

[1:10:17] Voice 4: the three-person commission's responsibility is to consider the very therefore very narrow

[1:10:22] Voice 4: requirements of the part six of the act which speaks to increasing a report to potential

[1:10:28] Voice 4: entering the region, ensuring that the fabric is not, you know, fragmented and undermined.

[1:10:39] Voice 4: And so it's not that they have a consultative duty to consider First Nation input.

[1:10:47] Voice 4: They're a provincial agency, just as you ultimately have some consultative duty.

[1:10:55] Voice 4: but

[1:10:57] Voice 4: they are not going to

[1:10:58] Voice 4: consider the broad

[1:11:00] Voice 4: community and first

[1:11:03] Voice 4: national relationship and all those

[1:11:05] Voice 1: other

[1:11:05] Voice 4: considerations that you

[1:11:07] Voice 4: as a staff are recommending

[1:11:09] Voice 4: your relationship

[1:11:11] Voice 4: building with these nations, you're seeking

[1:11:13] Voice 4: reconciliation and they're saying

[1:11:15] Voice 4: whoa, here's a spot that we have

[1:11:17] Voice 4: some real interest in, here's some

[1:11:19] Voice 4: really reasonable rationale as to why

[1:11:21] Voice 4: you have that interest

[1:11:24] Voice 4: And so, if you proceed, you need to understand that you may have some blowback with respect

[1:11:35] Voice 4: to those reconciliations.

[1:11:37] Voice 3: Right.

[1:11:38] Voice 3: Well, thank you for that.

[1:11:39] Voice 3: That's very useful.

[1:11:40] Voice 3: and so yeah and so that has been my um concern in terms of um

[1:11:49] Voice 3: input by first nations on to the decision it's such a narrow vehicle we have you know we recommend

[1:11:58] Voice 3: the inclusion or sorry i could say in this case they exclude the application proceed

[1:12:04] Voice 3: uh and we obviously the community doesn't violate the community plan and that's you know probably

[1:12:10] Voice 3: probably net agricultural land to the island.

[1:12:16] Voice 3: And this is really coming from a place unknown.

[1:12:18] Voice 3: To what possible response could we

[1:12:21] Voice 11: engage given the concern?

[1:12:29] Voice 11: The relevant First Nations have some concerns

[1:12:32] Voice 3: around archaeological, I guess keep in mind nations have

[1:12:35] Voice 3: access to additional archaeological data than

[1:12:38] Voice 3: we do as members of the public because this is kept as confidential and not

[1:12:43] Voice 3: in the public domain and that sounds that entirely the reasons why that is to be

[1:12:49] Voice 3: i i just find that from the perspective of a local trust committee as opposed to a pure local

[1:12:55] Voice 3: government we find this a very incongruous process that doesn't swap neatly um and so i'm thinking at

[1:13:06] Voice 3: this point there's probably two people we need to hear from one is our chair and the other is

[1:13:10] Voice 3: probably the applicant that the chairs would like there in terms of because there's some asks

[1:13:14] Voice 3: in the report here or some

[1:13:17] Voice 11: higher leaves in the report what the applicants responsible

[1:13:25] Voice 11: are to they might that's just my suggestion

[1:13:29] Voice 5: to you yeah no i i agree um it's a complicated application

[1:13:35] Voice 5: um mainly because it's it's we're traumatizing this is the first time in the board of trust

[1:13:43] Voice 4: I would say it's only complicated by the information by linoxin at this point.

[1:13:49] Voice 4: It's been a lot of learning because it's

[1:13:51] Voice 4: new to the trust but the actual application itself

[1:13:55] Voice 4: now that we understand everything it's relatively simple and it's relatively clear and there's

[1:14:00] Voice 4: that benefit to agriculture potential it's the information provided by the linoxin which

[1:14:08] Voice 4: which is the challenging stuff.

[1:14:10] Voice 4: I just read in terms of scope,

[1:14:17] Voice 4: site visits are important because it allows communities

[1:14:19] Voice 4: to see the features of the territory in question.

[1:14:22] Voice 4: There are archaeological and cultural features

[1:14:24] Voice 4: that can be perceived much easier in situ than on a map.

[1:14:27] Voice 4: It goes on.

[1:14:28] Voice 4: It's a really, really sound reason to go see the land

[1:14:32] Voice 4: before they provide an income.

[1:14:33] Voice 4: Use the local government debt only application.

[1:14:35] Voice 4: application, you are required to notify those prestations, there's no such thing as just

[1:14:42] Voice 4: notifying prestations, there never really

[1:14:44] Voice 4: has been in my experience in 20 years of government,

[1:14:46] Voice 4: notifying prestations always means you're seeking their input. And so that's what you've

[1:14:50] Voice 4: done. And they said, we can't give you your input because we want to receive the matters.

[1:14:54] Voice 4: And

[1:14:55] Voice 11: then we will provide this, whether it's good or bad. It outweighs whatever community

[1:15:12] Voice 4: any benefit you see as the

[1:15:14] Voice 4: trustees in moving

[1:15:16] Voice 4: this forward?

[1:15:20] Voice 5: One of them is

[1:15:21] Voice 5: Trustee Bowen.

[1:15:23] Voice 5: So she takes precedence.

[1:15:25] Voice 5: Just in response,

[1:15:29] Voice 2: I would say

[1:15:31] Voice 2: that by

[1:15:34] Voice 2: going to the

[1:15:35] Voice 2: table with

[1:15:36] Voice 2: the ALC,

[1:15:39] Voice 2: and, you know, Brad, you referenced

[1:15:41] Voice 2: the fact that you reported to us

[1:15:43] Voice 2: something they said verbally,

[1:15:45] Voice 2: And there was, you know, certainly, you know, there's always, you know, secondhand, you know, passed on information.

[1:15:52] Voice 2: It would be good to sit down in a formal meeting that would be the LTC, staff from the trust and the ALC to consider this further.

[1:16:03] Voice 2: It's the first time we've done this process.

[1:16:05] Voice 2: and we're not saying either or we're saying let's get to the table with the people who have done

[1:16:14] Voice 2: this before and have some knowledge and experience to advise us and that that's all i'm i'd like to

[1:16:22] Voice 2: say thank you thank

[1:16:24] Voice 5: you so i'll turn it to the other people want to

[1:16:28] Voice 4: clarify a bit about the

[1:16:29] Voice 4: archaeological. There are no middens on the property. The largest midden was totally destroyed

[1:16:39] Voice 4: by logging. There is a small piece of it that is left and it is just it's a very thin layer

[1:16:46] Voice 4: whereas the part that was destroyed was a thick layer of midden. So I can apparently do forestry

[1:16:52] Voice 4: on both parts of the property. So how is it more endangered if I change where the ALR is?

[1:17:01] Voice 4: Forestry did the most damage on that property, and it did significant damage.

[1:17:07] Voice 4: So I just don't see that this archaeological argument is the real factor.

[1:17:12] Voice 4: It can be destroyed by forestry.

[1:17:15] Voice 4: And I have the obligation, if anything does turn up, I have to report it.

[1:17:20] Voice 4: And so what has changed here if the ALR moves? Nothing.

[1:17:30] Voice 3: There's the perhaps follow-up caveat about the site visit, I don't think you could ask

[1:17:36] Voice 3: the applicant or I could throw you over how you want to do it.

[1:17:39] Voice 3: You obviously have a question of mine.

[1:17:41] Voice 3: This is the burning question of course.

[1:17:44] Voice 3: The emphasis in the report is a site visit is recommended however the site visit entirely

[1:17:54] Voice 3: entirely relies upon the permission, your permission, as the private plan for it to

[1:18:00] take place now. There are two facets to that. One, the site visit will need to be paid for

[1:18:05] by the landowner,

[1:18:06] Voice 3: but it sounds like trustee Bullen has done some behind-the-scenes work

[1:18:09] Voice 3: to determine if the trust seems like it would spend some of its reconciliation budget. It

[1:18:16] Voice 3: sounds like the answer is yes. So therefore, it doesn't look like you're being asked to

[1:18:20] Voice 3: to pay, but your permission is still required.

[1:18:24] Voice 3: And so rather than dance around that,

[1:18:26] Voice 3: I guess we should ask you,

[1:18:28] Voice 3: would you entertain such a visit?

[1:18:39] Voice 4: Basically, part of my reason is that,

[1:18:42] Voice 4: part of the reason for the visit is expressed here.

[1:18:45] Voice 4: It says visiting the space is an important part

[1:18:47] Voice 4: of reclaiming.

[1:18:49] Voice 4: I'm not ready to have my land reclaimed

[1:18:51] Voice 4: by the first nations regardless of what the simple title is versus that original title

[1:18:56] Voice 4: you know i just i would like to get along with the alc and we'll see what they say about it

[1:19:03] Voice 3: so that

[1:19:05] Voice 3: effectively is um in the sense what trustee bullen is recommending is not to uh to note

[1:19:13] Voice 3: obviously clearly that the action of expressed intent um uh to investigate further but their

[1:19:20] Voice 3: an interest may or may not be but note that to the ALC as part of the application I

[1:19:27] Voice 4: was going to say

[1:19:28] Voice 4: something further which I wrote a letter to the LTC and the planner basically when I looked at

[1:19:35] Voice 4: the exclusion application process it said give notice to the First Nations what they actually

[1:19:41] Voice 4: received was a bylaw referral it

[1:19:44] Voice 1: was my proposal was presented as a bylaw it

[1:19:47] Voice 1: is not a bylaw

[1:19:49] Voice 4: it was simply an application to the agricultural land commission and i think that's where the

[1:19:54] Voice 4: loxon got fairly excited thinking with the bylaw so i think we've thrown off a tractor

[1:20:01] Voice 4: out of the last summer and it is taking forever really i started i started my conversation with

[1:20:09] Voice 11: the agricultural land commission and the application hasn't even been submitted

[1:20:20] Voice 11: After I

[1:20:21] Voice 4: talked to the ALC, I did what they said. I got a consulting firm to produce a report

[1:20:26] Voice 4: and I got my sign up on the date that was required and stayed there for at least two months,

[1:20:33] Voice 4: well beyond the public hearing. There was practically no comment from anybody on the

[1:20:38] Voice 4: island about this proposal and any comment that I received was positive. For example,

[1:20:43] Voice 4: my neighbor who's considered to be important in this process. So why are we still talking about

[1:20:49] Voice 4: I don't understand.

[1:20:53] Voice 4: We don't understand about us as a local government, you as your local government

[1:20:59] Voice 4: owning this application system, your application, their application to submit to the ALC.

[1:21:05] Voice 4: That's why they can't charge you fees because you are not seen as a player.

[1:21:10] Voice 4: They own the application, all the fees are borne by the local government because that

[1:21:16] Voice 4: That is who the applicant is in the eyes of the ALC, in the eyes of the legislation.

[1:21:21] Voice 4: In terms

[1:21:21] Voice 4: of the process that we followed as local government, you would follow that notification process as we did.

[1:21:29] Voice 4: He refers to the heading with bylaw referral.

[1:21:33] Voice 4: Through the rest of it, it's clear what it is.

[1:21:35] Voice 4: There's been no confusion by anyone expressed that it's a bylaw.

[1:21:40] Voice 4: The liaison input is not driven by that it arrived as a bylaw.

[1:21:46] Voice 4: And in terms of going, it's only, it's referred to as an application form, and it said, please comment on this bylaw, and the proposed bylaw is the consultant's report, which is all stuff, and it's not, you know, we'll leave it.

[1:22:07] Voice 4: okay so but the

[1:22:10] Voice 5: impasses the landowner it wouldn't does not consent to first stations

[1:22:18] Voice 5: so it so it basically becomes the recommended the staff recommendation is with a site visit

[1:22:29] Voice 5: so that doesn't sound like it's fine so then i guess it goes to alternate one

[1:22:36] Voice 5: One is to submit without a site visit is what the question is for the local trust to make.

[1:22:44] Voice 4: Or refuse the application.

[1:22:45] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:22:48] Voice 5: So, Trustee Paul, you seem to be hovering in the background.

[1:22:52] Voice 5: Do you have any – where are you going on this?

[1:22:56] Voice 2: I'm sticking with – I believe that we can move this process forward by making the application

[1:23:02] Voice 2: and having a full discussion with the ALC

[1:23:08] Voice 2: because we need some help on how to manage this.

[1:23:11] Voice 2: So we are not precluding anything.

[1:23:17] Voice 2: We're going forward with the application

[1:23:20] Voice 2: on the basis of some of the information and the feedback.

[1:23:24] Voice 2: Well, the information and the feedback.

[1:23:26] Voice 2: And then there's an opportunity to benefit

[1:23:29] Voice 2: benefit from their knowledge and experience and so I would go with the alternative one

[1:23:41] Voice 2: and I would ask that the meetings with the ALC are arranged as soon as feasible

[1:23:52] Voice 5: thank you do

[1:23:54] Voice 2: you want me to make a motion well

[1:23:56] Voice 5: let's just hear from Trustee Gallatin and then

[1:24:00] Voice 3: well well i think it would have made us that it's obviously the topic for discussion now given where

[1:24:05] Voice 3: we stand so yeah i'd be happy if if you would have your pleasure to entertain consideration

[1:24:12] Voice 3: of that motion okay christine if you want to make that motion yeah

[1:24:16] Voice 2: i just have one other thing you

[1:24:17] Voice 2: know i i do i want i want help because this is you know um you know ron is within his rights and um

[1:24:27] Voice 2: And we need some help and advice on how to manage this, because this may not be the first time we face this.

[1:24:34] Voice 2: And it's taken a long time because we've all had to immerse ourselves in something that's new.

[1:24:41] Voice 2: I mean, we don't have a policy in the Islands Trust about this.

[1:24:45] Voice 2: We have bits and pieces, you know, for instance, we cannot recover the application fee currently.

[1:24:52] Voice 2: We have to ask the applicant to refund us, but they're under no obligation to do that.

[1:25:00] Voice 2: So there are other things along the way that need to be tidied up.

[1:25:05] Voice 2: And I think a full discussion with the ALC will help in many ways beyond this particular application.

[1:25:13] Voice 2: Thanks. OK, I'm happy to make the motion now.

[1:25:18] Voice 2: I move that the Saterna Island Local Trust Committee directs that staff submit application SAALR 2023.1

[1:25:31] Voice 2: Hall to the Agriculture Land Commission for consideration of the proposed 12 hectare land exclusion.

[1:25:41] Voice 2: Yeah, that's the motion.

[1:25:44] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:25:45] Voice 5: um yeah for

[1:25:48] Voice 3: discussion on the second okay so discussion um yeah i mean that again it's the

[1:25:53] Voice 3: it's the it's the when one engages in discussion for purposes of a higher proportion of

[1:26:01] Voice 3: reconciliation um what possibly can we the local trust committee uh give to the laxation

[1:26:13] Voice 3: nation um in terms of you know that's that's what i'm saying and i don't think anyone's wrong here

[1:26:25] Voice 3: i just think it's not been done before and it probably does need further study because i don't

[1:26:31] Voice 3: think it fits the context of the island's trust as well as the agriculture land commission may

[1:26:37] Voice 3: prefer it did i could totally understand the rationale through the city of syria

[1:26:41] Voice 3: and it was you were concerned about fragmentation of farmland

[1:26:45] Voice 3: and they are concerned with reconciliation,

[1:26:53] Voice 3: but is this the vehicle by which we're able

[1:26:56] Voice 3: to meaningfully and correctly get on a positive relationship

[1:26:59] Voice 3: with the Laksa nation?

[1:27:01] Voice 3: I don't see the path myself.

[1:27:03] Voice 3: And I do see that having perhaps input from the commission

[1:27:06] Voice 3: just where we can just be honest and settle.

[1:27:09] Voice 3: We don't know exactly how to proceed here with this.

[1:27:11] Voice 3: You know, if you're after a yes or no

[1:27:15] Voice 3: or without us meaningfully considering

[1:27:18] Voice 3: considering the input of First Nations we're not sure that's a great position to be put in for us

[1:27:23] Voice 3: or you or the applicant or the Allen's Trust you know um and so I don't I don't I believe everyone's

[1:27:29] Voice 3: interpretation rings with truth obviously everybody's coming from a long perspective

[1:27:33] Voice 3: the applicant our planner um senior staff at the Allen's Trust but we have those there's no um

[1:27:43] Voice 3: there's no shining winning pathway to positive reconciliation and communication and the

[1:27:51] Voice 3: considerations that before some of what this press actually ultimately is which is the changing of

[1:27:56] Voice 3: of um lines on the map for for the land use for purposes so i would go i think what i'm i guess

[1:28:04] Voice 3: winding up at so people can hear my way of thinking and know that i'm not i'm not you know

[1:28:09] Voice 3: just in one side of the argument versus another,

[1:28:12] Voice 3: is I think this is a viable way forward.

[1:28:15] Voice 3: Will it work? I don't know. It might not.

[1:28:18] Voice 3: But I think Trustee Bowen's suggested motion is a viable way forward,

[1:28:23] Voice 3: so I am going to support it.

[1:28:28] Voice 5: So, Trustee Bowen, do you have anything more you want to add?

[1:28:33] Voice 2: No, except I would like to, you know, I don't think it's not in the motion,

[1:28:37] Voice 2: But I'm assuming that all of this will be part of the application and that a meeting will be arranged as soon as possible so that we can really, you know, get to grips with this better.

[1:28:52] Voice 2: And the ALC have an opportunity to really talk directly to us and share their experiences and their advice.

[1:28:58] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:29:02] Voice 4: In respect of timing, it will be up to the ALC when that meeting occurs.

[1:29:05] Voice 4: So we have control over that, I would say they will have the process in their queue and you will, this application will presumably go into their queue and then be considered when it's considered.

[1:29:17] Voice 4: And I would just again caution that you are going to have to go back to LIIS and tell them that you've received that input and that you are deciding to proceed.

[1:29:28] Voice 4: so just that

[1:29:30] Voice 13: is the caution that is the main

[1:29:31] Voice 4: platform of staff and why the recommendations

[1:29:33] Voice 4: steer the way it is because of your broader recognition

[1:29:37] Voice 4: i

[1:29:38] Voice 2: would say that you know in the lc process it talks about the required meeting and the

[1:29:47] Voice 2: gathering of further information including site visits as required so we haven't shut the door

[1:29:54] Voice 2: to anything really. What we're doing is saying we want to talk with people.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: who have done this before and consider this new process

[1:30:04] Voice 2: and how it should be improved or clarified

[1:30:10] Voice 2: or just to have some more help.

[1:30:14] Voice 2: So thank you.

[1:30:15] Voice 4: My point is there still is that the liaison is not going to be satisfied.

[1:30:19] Voice 4: So you're going to have to understand

[1:30:20] Voice 4: whether the local trust committee can be able to wear it in a sense.

[1:30:27] Voice 4: So

[1:30:27] Voice 3: what I would suggest there is the local trust committee

[1:30:29] Voice 3: needs to own uh communication with the action of the nation to the nation to government that's the

[1:30:35] Voice 3: obvious step here the dallying and staff communication to referral clear data is a

[1:30:41] Voice 3: recipe for further misunderstanding so what i would propose is that we actually make communication to

[1:30:48] Voice 3: chief and council for the accent nation and tell them our rationale express an interest in hearing

[1:30:54] Voice 3: their concerns and explain that we feel we're at a bottleneck here where wishing to expand

[1:31:00] Voice 3: meaningful reconciliation dialogue is proven not within our grasp because we're constrained

[1:31:07] Voice 3: by this agricultural land commission uh policy which we frankly don't understand yet having not

[1:31:11] Voice 3: yet been through um this to this conclusion yeah so but we have a motion of course we're

[1:31:19] Voice 3: to sort of contain um i guess that would be a friendly amendment well maybe a second motion

[1:31:25] Voice 3: but it could be a second motion um obviously we would require that they request that assistance

[1:31:31] Voice 3: and so drafting but the signature would be the local trust committee see

[1:31:35] Voice 5: where i see the impasse

[1:31:39] Voice 5: which is not an impasse but it's an impasse is if the landlord is not willing to permit

[1:31:46] Voice 5: permit a site visit that sort of that leads us to the ultimate question because because basically

[1:31:55] Voice 5: the the recommended motion and the staff recommendation cannot proceed because we

[1:32:01] Voice 5: can't enforce a site visit so so we basically know that the the motion that the primary

[1:32:08] Voice 5: recommended motion will not proceed so so we're sort of forced into

[1:32:14] Voice 5: to the alternate motion or refusing the application and from staff report is that the application

[1:32:25] Voice 5: takes all of our land use losses um it's it's it's it's consistent with road cp because that's

[1:32:32] Voice 5: what land is filed about um so i think it would be difficult for us to deny the application um

[1:32:42] Voice 5: it's just that there's a component here that will not be completed and we need i should say

[1:32:49] Voice 5: where we need to it's where we're we're what we are where we are so i think

[1:32:57] Voice 3: and it may be that uh jay the council of clare foundation

[1:33:01] Voice 3: who are not the representative of the crown uh make contact but you know

[1:33:11] Voice 3: what you've got to start conversation with people somehow right and as we learned from our first

[1:33:16] Voice 3: interview on mental affairs coordinator it was a real firebrand in australia local councils took

[1:33:24] Voice 3: the leadership in establishing um meaningful relations with the aboriginal communities

[1:33:29] Voice 3: and is it correct from a you know a constitutional law perspective i don't know but do we need to

[1:33:36] Voice 3: on that no we need to try to make outreach and explain our position uh will it satisfy

[1:33:42] Voice 3: the accent after history of colonization and loss of land it may very well not but i mean

[1:33:47] Voice 3: i don't know what else a local government can do that doesn't bind us in endless third-hand

[1:33:56] Voice 3: of communication and misunderstanding okay

[1:34:01] Voice 5: well well

[1:34:02] Voice 2: said okay

[1:34:04] Voice 3: so we'll call the question um

[1:34:06] Voice 3: do we have the amendment in that or do you want to have a second i think i didn't have a second

[1:34:12] Voice 3: information um

[1:34:13] Voice 5: nick needs you for the meditator at least since we are a little bit handicapped

[1:34:18] Voice 5: today so yeah so call the question on favor uh

[1:34:24] Voice 2: i'm in favor

[1:34:25] Voice 5: so that carries

[1:34:28] Voice 3: so okay second

[1:34:29] Voice 5: motion yeah

[1:34:31] Voice 3: i've moved that this eternal trust committee um right to the

[1:34:38] Voice 3: vaccination i'll leave it broad at that because we can take staff input as to rather than bind

[1:34:43] Voice 3: ourselves to chief and council i'll keep it open and right to the vaccination and explain

[1:34:48] Voice 3: our desire to engage in meaningful reconciliation um but be clear and open about what process we're

[1:34:57] Voice 3: the middle of them where we'd find ourselves and um and can and basically explain a commitment to

[1:35:05] Voice 3: continue communication on this file okay

[1:35:08] Voice 5: i just checked with the carly have you got enough of a

[1:35:11] Voice 5: motion there to work with yeah

[1:35:13] Voice 8: yes do you want me to reread it to you

[1:35:15] Voice 5: um well i guess if you

[1:35:17] Voice 5: i'll get you to be happy a minute and plan to just add this hand up we might have

[1:35:22] Voice 5: I

[1:35:23] Voice 4: was just going to say, I think that one is best authored by the LTC staff, really reflects your views, not the views of staff, which is a contrary version of yours.

[1:35:34] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:35:36] Voice 5: Trustee Bowman, do you have any input on that?

[1:35:40] Voice 2: I would have to hear the motion as it is read.

[1:35:43] Voice 2: But I do have one comment, which is at the end of the letter from the NIAXN, they said,

[1:35:51] Voice 2: we still remain unclear as to why

[1:35:53] Voice 2: the Islands Trust would be considering

[1:35:54] Voice 2: submitting an application for the ALOR

[1:35:56] Voice 2: exclusion on behalf of the

[1:35:58] Voice 2: property owner. So that speaks

[1:36:00] Voice 2: to what Lee is

[1:36:02] Voice 2: suggesting. Let's just talk

[1:36:04] Voice 2: to them and explain what's going on

[1:36:06] Voice 2: from our perspective and

[1:36:08] Voice 2: see where that takes us. But I

[1:36:10] Voice 2: would like to hear that motion read on what

[1:36:12] Voice 2: Brad proposed. I couldn't really hear

[1:36:14] Voice 2: properly.

[1:36:16] Voice 5: Carly, if you'll read

[1:36:16] Voice 5: back to the motion.

[1:36:18] Voice 8: Okay, that the Saturna Island LTC

[1:36:20] Voice 8: see right to lack vaccination explaining a desire to engage in meaningful reconciliation

[1:36:25] Voice 8: but be clear and open about what process we are in the middle of and explain the commitment to

[1:36:30] Voice 8: continue communication good

[1:36:34] Voice 3: enough that keeps it open enough for our do

[1:36:37] Voice 2: we need to give the context

[1:36:38] Voice 2: which is really the context of this this application it or do you want to leave it as

[1:36:45] Voice 2: broad as that lee and i didn't hear what brad suggested uh suggested yeah i

[1:36:53] Voice 3: suggested that

[1:36:54] Voice 3: the letter come from ltc and not staff um and then i would just add at the beginning of the motion

[1:37:00] Voice 3: the word further and that creates the logical connection with the prior motion okay just

[1:37:08] Voice 4: paying caution you're gonna hit a wall when you send that letter you've already submitted the

[1:37:13] Voice 4: exclusion with them you're going to hit a wall so

[1:37:15] Voice 12: just be clear

[1:37:18] Voice 4: it's just that when they submit their exclusion application and then submit this letter to the

[1:37:23] Voice 4: y accent suggesting that they're seeking meaningful uh reconciliation and dialogue

[1:37:28] Voice 4: but they have this feedback that they're in a sense moving forward on without really considering

[1:37:33] Voice 4: in the lines that we're going to see

[1:37:35] Voice 4: that it's all

[1:37:37] Voice 4: perhaps

[1:37:39] Voice 6: no

[1:37:39] Voice 4: I'm not genuinely

[1:37:40] Voice 4: thank you

[1:37:42] Voice 4: just a moment

[1:37:44] Voice 2: perhaps we should refer

[1:37:46] Voice 2: in that letter I'm not proposing an amendment

[1:37:49] Voice 2: to the motion but

[1:37:51] Voice 2: you know the last paragraph in

[1:37:53] Voice 2: their letter reference

[1:37:55] Voice 2: that and say okay this is

[1:37:57] Voice 2: why we're doing it this is

[1:37:59] Voice 2: the situation we find ourselves in

[1:38:02] Voice 2: so

[1:38:03] Voice 2: So that might, because they do ask, they are,

[1:38:06] Voice 4: they don't.

[1:38:07] Voice 4: You're under no obligation to proceed at this time.

[1:38:10] Voice 4: So you're not running a bind, you're deciding to proceed.

[1:38:14] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:38:17] Voice 4: Yep.

[1:38:18] Voice 6: We're following.

[1:38:19] Voice 6: Yep.

[1:38:20] Voice 3: So, no, I think that's a good amendment.

[1:38:23] Voice 3: It's more of an explanatory note, I guess, is what that means.

[1:38:28] Voice 3: and showing that their concern is being elevated

[1:38:32] Voice 3: or however you put it, to the Agricultural Land Commission.

[1:38:36] Voice 3: Okay,

[1:38:37] Voice 5: so let's

[1:38:39] Voice 6: deal with the motion

[1:38:39] Voice 5: and then we'll figure out the road forward.

[1:38:44] Voice 5: So you move, Trustee Bowen, you've seconded that?

[1:38:48] Voice 2: Yes, I have.

[1:38:50] Voice 5: Okay, so we'll call the question.

[1:38:52] Voice 5: So all in favour?

[1:38:55] Voice 2: In favour.

[1:38:56] Voice 2: Motion passed.

[1:39:04] Voice 5: Okay, so

[1:39:05] Voice 5: Trustee Bowman, can I lean on you to sort of start the draft of the letter,

[1:39:11] Voice 5: and then between the three of us, we will get something that we're comfortable with,

[1:39:17] Voice 5: and then I will take it to Claire Freyder for her eyes to make sure that we're doing the appropriate thing.

[1:39:25] Voice 5: Does that sound appropriate?

[1:39:27] Voice 2: Yes, it does.

[1:39:28] Voice 2: I think, well, all our good intentions could go awry

[1:39:33] Voice 2: if we don't get an experienced person's view of it.

[1:39:37] Voice 2: Yeah, thanks.

[1:39:38] Voice 5: So that would be the road forward.

[1:39:40] Voice 5: Okay, thank you, everybody.

[1:39:41] Voice 5: We're on to our next step.

[1:39:47] Voice 5: All right.

[1:39:50] Voice 5: So we have a little trustee projects here.

[1:39:53] Voice 5: So turn around, trustee, trustee.

[1:39:57] Voice 5: David, could we have

[1:39:59] Voice 2: a kind of three-minute, five-minute break?

[1:40:03] Voice 5: Sure thing.

[1:40:04] Voice 5: Okay, we'll have a five-minute break.

[1:40:06] Voice 2: Thanks.

[1:40:07] Voice 5: That's fine.

[1:40:08] Voice 5: So we'll reconvene at 1.20.

[1:40:10] Voice 2: Great.

[1:40:11] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[1:40:13] Voice 11: All right, we'll reconvene.

[1:45:17] Voice 5: So our next piece of business is our draft fees by law,

[1:45:25] Voice 5: which I believe is still at page 69.

[1:45:38] Voice 5: So, Planner Smith, is there anything you've been around this?

[1:45:45] Voice 6: Yes, we can.

[1:46:00] Voice 4: As directed by staff,

[1:46:02] Voice 4: the last OTC meeting, you directed staff to come

[1:46:07] Voice 4: act with a fees by-law based on the model by-law. It's been adopted by many of the other local trust

[1:46:15] Voice 4: committees and so before you now is by-law 942 with recommendation to give first, second, third

[1:46:22] Voice 4: reading directing staff to send the by-law to the executive committee for approval. The next step

[1:46:31] Voice 4: after that would be come back to the lcd for adoption consideration of adoption okay any

[1:46:37] Voice 4: questions the

[1:46:39] Voice 5: trustees any questions um that's

[1:46:43] Voice 2: fine by me thank you

[1:46:47] Voice 3: very clearly and uh i will move then that let's turn on the trust committee by one number one

[1:46:55] Voice 3: for two cited as a general trust committee fees by 2023 we give them the first reading

[1:47:00] Voice 3: Okay, seconder, Trustee Bowman?

[1:47:04] Voice 5: Second.

[1:47:05] Voice 5: Okay, second.

[1:47:05] Voice 5: Any further discussion?

[1:47:09] Voice 5: Call the question, all in favour?

[1:47:11] Voice 7: In favour.

[1:47:12] Voice 5: That carries.

[1:47:13] Voice 3: I move that the Tern Island Local Trust Committee

[1:47:16] Voice 3: by-law number 42, site S,

[1:47:18] Voice 3: Tern Island Local Trust Committee

[1:47:20] Voice 3: fees by-law 2023 be given second reading.

[1:47:24] Voice 3: Seconded?

[1:47:25] Voice 7: Seconded.

[1:47:26] Voice 5: For discussion, call the question, all in favour?

[1:47:28] Voice 5: In favour.

[1:47:29] Voice 5: That carries.

[1:47:29] Voice 7: In favour.

[1:47:32] Voice 3: I'll move that the Turn Island Local Trust Committee By-law No. 142 cited as the Turn

[1:47:39] Voice 3: Island Local Trust Committee Fees By-law 2023 be given third reading.

[1:47:43] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:47:45] Voice 7: Yep.

[1:47:46] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:47:47] Voice 3: Call the question.

[1:47:47] Voice 3: All in favour?

[1:47:48] Voice 7: In favour.

[1:47:49] Voice 3: So that carries.

[1:47:50] Voice 3: And then finally, the Turn Island Local Trust Committee By-law No. 142 cited as the Turn

[1:47:55] Voice 3: island local trust committee fees by a lot of places we forwarded to the secretary of the

[1:47:59] Voice 3: island's trust for approval by the executive committee and seconded yeah all professional

[1:48:04] favor

[1:48:05] Voice 7: in favor all right

[1:48:08] Voice 3: thank you very much and maybe we could just uh say that this was

[1:48:12] Voice 3: the culmination of a long-standing deferred business over several years that we uh have

[1:48:20] Voice 3: aligned ourselves with the rest of the trust i believe you're correct i

[1:48:23] Voice 5: think this is the last

[1:48:34] Voice 4: Brad,

[1:48:35] Voice 2: you're the planner for North Pender, you should be able to get them in line over

[1:48:39] Voice 2: there too.

[1:48:41] Voice 5: It's done now.

[1:48:42] Voice 4: I think we did.

[1:48:44] Voice 5: It's all over.

[1:48:46] Voice 5: I agree.

[1:48:52] Voice 4: I think

[1:48:53] Voice 5: this is the last one, so you're not trailblazing, you're following the others.

[1:49:05] Voice 5: All right, so we move to page 78, which is the work program reports, active projects and future

[1:49:14] Voice 4: So I think with the submission of the application to the AOC, that was clear, but that's in

[1:49:23] Voice 4: a sense, I think it's a lot more work than you could consider in a monitoring project.

[1:49:27] Voice 4: You also have a slot for your major project if you wanted to consider that.

[1:49:32] Voice 4: I have some

[1:49:36] Voice 11: discussion on your interest in Shoreline.

[1:49:44] Voice 11: Roland's memo here with respect to new business,

[1:49:48] Voice 4: and maybe you want to talk about this project then around hosting.

[1:49:52] Voice 3: Thank you, that's very good.

[1:49:57] Voice 3: Yeah, so just as Plansmith referenced, the Shoreline,

[1:50:01] Voice 3: I think what we called it was the Shoreline policy review,

[1:50:05] Voice 3: you because how we would characterize it i think was not mistaken so the context for this is um

[1:50:13] Voice 3: um well i'm not sure if i should speak to this at this point because there's a it involves

[1:50:20] Voice 3: vital activity but the actual parties have not uh disclosed it so i don't know that we

[1:50:26] Voice 3: are in a position to do so i don't think maybe keep that just um one of the parties

[1:50:34] Voice 3: is you know may use your powers of deduction to figure out what was supported and left but um

[1:50:44] Voice 3: so i mean maybe at this point we maybe it's a conversation that we have to kind of further

[1:50:51] Voice 3: frame it off you know just um experiencing

[1:50:55] Voice 4: that that's better yeah

[1:50:56] Voice 3: and and so so maybe

[1:50:58] Voice 3: why this is the review. You've seen that our shoreline policy, the policies governing in

[1:51:06] Voice 3: the Fisher Committee Plan, like the land use bylaws, the shoreline, were inherited from

[1:51:12] Voice 3: the original bylaws of the CRD from 1974-3, and then were incorporated into the Saturna

[1:51:19] Voice 3: Island and Fisher Committee Plan verbatim. And it's not the most helpful paragraph. It's

[1:51:24] Voice 3: one paragraph with four bullet points, if I remember correctly. And of course, what

[1:51:27] Voice 3: we're seeing now is sea level rise increased shoreline erosion the issue are are people

[1:51:34] Voice 3: are beginning to um look to earthworks and such sea walls to protect their shoreline now a sea

[1:51:43] Voice 3: wall can be done in a very damaging way and it violates a lot of the um the efficient community

[1:51:49] Voice 3: plans in the trust area and potentially ours although ours is a tad vague on that on that

[1:51:56] Voice 3: matter um and so what we thought okay it's time to look at it acknowledge that this is going to

[1:52:02] Voice 3: become an issue and how do we what what can we do to basically uh allow adaptation to sea level rise

[1:52:10] Voice 3: but in a way that preserves you know the environmental integrity of the shoreline

[1:52:14] Voice 3: and he said we need to look at basically our trauma and policies which will be a big project

[1:52:20] Voice 11: there'll be a lot of community input and our answer whether or not yeah I appreciate that

[1:52:33] Voice 3: I'm really interested in because one of the sort of the proponents is not out here

[1:52:37] Voice 3: kind of restricts what we can talk about a little bit and so I figured we can maybe have a comment

[1:52:42] Voice 3: it's such a big project that whether we start it now or initiate it at our next meeting it's

[1:52:50] Voice 3: going to be going well through the remainder of the term i would imagine so

[1:52:54] Voice 5: so you so you wouldn't

[1:52:57] Voice 5: interpret this as being a major project um

[1:53:00] Voice 4: i have only just raised it as this what we have

[1:53:05] Voice 4: it really depends like a major project is something that takes multi-years and requires

[1:53:10] Voice 4: requires funding greater than 5,000 homes, right?

[1:53:13] Voice 4: So for 10,000, it's a 10,000-dollar house.

[1:53:18] Voice 5: So it may not that many people, right?

[1:53:21] Voice 5: It might be multi-year in the way of time, yes,

[1:53:25] Voice 5: but not necessarily a large expenditure.

[1:53:28] Voice 5: There is

[1:53:29] Voice 4: cost for mapping or professional services

[1:53:31] Voice 4: around articulating where these sites fall short.

[1:53:37] Voice 3: Sure, yeah, and you and I talked about potentially

[1:53:39] Voice 3: potentially making use of other work on the other islands to be a foundation to you know to you know

[1:53:46] Voice 3: so so I'm I'm happy to I mean we can list it as a just to get it on the placeholder we can we can

[1:53:52] Voice 3: list it as a future projects for the time being and there will be a shoreline policy review um

[1:53:58] Voice 3: and I would suggest that either be added as number five or or I'm not sure that we're I think the

[1:54:09] Voice 3: time and the place for review of split zoning regulation has passed about suppose we remove that

[1:54:15] Voice 3: um if there were more pressing matters for us to attend to um one being shoreline

[1:54:22] Voice 3: uh policy and the other being um uh housing densities like multi-family housing uh

[1:54:30] Voice 3: i would want to uh describe it so you want to move um what the yeah waiting to be removed

[1:54:39] Voice 3: when i make a motion i say remove item two and replace with shoreline policy review

[1:54:48] Voice 3: does that work for you so uh remove item two which is review of split zoning regulations

[1:54:54] Voice 3: and replace the shoreline policy review yeah trustee bone are you in concurrence

[1:55:04] Voice 2: yes i am i think uh yeah okay

[1:55:08] Voice 5: and i'll just check with carly that she got that motion

[1:55:10] Voice 5: yes

[1:55:11] Voice 9: i did thank you

[1:55:12] Voice 5: okay so no further discussion uh no okay so all question all in favor

[1:55:19] Voice 5: in

[1:55:21] Voice 7: favor okay

[1:55:22] Voice 5: so that carries now let's start we move on to trustee ball yeah yeah exactly yeah

[1:55:28] Voice 5: so trustee ball you had your memo oh

[1:55:31] Voice 2: yes okay um so uh i would like and i i realize this is a bit

[1:55:40] Voice 2: of a shopping list brad and i assume you're going to come back and explain some hard facts of life

[1:55:44] Voice 2: to us but um the one that i'm keen on is you know my my background and my interest is in the um

[1:55:56] Voice 2: water reports and the analysis of water use and its impact so the original um maps and the original

[1:56:07] Voice 2: decisions around the secondary suites where they're allowed were very constrained by

[1:56:15] Voice 2: recommendations from the province based on information they held at that time. A lot of

[1:56:22] Voice 2: that information has been updated and it would be worth revisiting those maps and revisiting the

[1:56:30] Voice 2: information and refining it and considering i think what cirrus suggested as well you know

[1:56:40] Voice 2: building in rainwater catchment as an option so i would like to reconsider the schedule that defines

[1:56:49] Voice 2: the areas where secondary suites are and are not allowed so

[1:56:56] Voice 5: that is point four on the future

[1:56:59] Voice 5: projects report

[1:57:00] Voice 2: you

[1:57:01] Voice 5: sort of want to add to that yeah did we i

[1:57:05] Voice 3: think the discussion generally was

[1:57:08] Voice 3: that you might add something in regards uh you know preliminary research into multi-family

[1:57:15] Voice 3: um zoning possibilities you know like uh following up on the letter but

[1:57:24] Voice 3: uh without necessarily initiating sort of uh anything more concrete but actually just looking

[1:57:32] Voice 3: at some of the other islands um um initiatives in that regard as uh as our regional director

[1:57:39] Voice 3: described to us makes it a very long and rewarding project i know what

[1:57:43] Voice 4: you're wanting to do is direct

[1:57:47] Voice 4: staff to bring the project charter back for a minor project that considers one, the updating

[1:58:00] Voice 4: of the Schedule E, and depending on the discretion and direction of the LTC, to a review of your

[1:58:10] Voice 4: your housing policies with respect to multi-county

[1:58:17] Voice 4: scoping of some of the challenges and obstacles

[1:58:20] Voice 4: and opportunities there, which it could be.

[1:58:24] Voice 4: And so that would be discussion paper

[1:58:27] Voice 4: or discussion staff report.

[1:58:29] Voice 4: The mapping, the secondary suite one,

[1:58:32] Voice 4: I think is more straightforward.

[1:58:34] Voice 4: There's an obvious path to completing that,

[1:58:37] Voice 4: but I don't see why there's any reason

[1:58:40] Voice 4: why you couldn't proceed with considering both of those things and see where they get to.

[1:58:45] Voice 4: My only comment with respect to the secondary suite mapping in conversation with freshwater specialist Shola

[1:58:53] Voice 4: is that he agrees that the maps that were used before have been replaced with new maps.

[1:58:59] Voice 4: So there is new mapping to be considered.

[1:59:05] Voice 4: his key points were that if you are considering those maps are based only on salt water intrusion

[1:59:10] Voice 4: you should be also looking at new mapping around groundwater recharge potential or

[1:59:17] Voice 4: recharge potential and you should also be potentially considering

[1:59:22] Voice 4: all of the work that's being done across the trust area with respect to housing

[1:59:30] Voice 4: So I think that could be built into some of our analysis, change your decision as to where you want to proceed.

[1:59:38] Voice 4: That's good idea.

[1:59:41] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:59:41] Voice 4: yeah um i have i did not hear councillor moritz recommendation these are the catch water catchment

[1:59:51] Voice 4: as being part of the things to be considered

[1:59:56] Voice 4: And I just wondered, I didn't

[1:59:59] Voice 5: want that loss.

[2:00:00] Voice 5: to do um okay because certainly on other islands secondary suites are predicated or waiting one

[2:00:06] Voice 5: catch and so i i guess yeah

[2:00:08] Voice 4: it's just just and the the other right so yeah so i guess there's

[2:00:14] Voice 4: three scope to the project one is looking at the secondary suite map two is uh amending your bylaw

[2:00:20] Voice 4: to require catchment across the island is what i've heard as a for all new building as opposed

[2:00:26] as

[2:00:26] Voice 4: opposed to Schedule E, and three are not scheduled as opposed to UF, ERA, MISLEAD.

[2:00:35] Voice 4: So,

[2:00:36] Voice 5: can that get us still down into a simple motion?

[2:00:44] Voice 2: Can I say something?

[2:00:46] Voice 5: You absolutely can say something.

[2:00:48] Voice 5: Thanks.

[2:00:49] Voice 2: I'm not hearing every single word clearly.

[2:00:53] Voice 2: I'm getting the gist of what's going on some people more clearly than others so apologies if I if I'm you know restating the obvious but I do see an opportunity and Brad I look to you guys as planners to like use your imagination and see where there could be you know alignments.

[2:01:17] Voice 2: I mean, my goal is to enable and make things possible while safeguarding.

[2:01:26] Voice 2: And she

[2:01:27] Voice 6: needs to look up much more loud language.

[2:01:30] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:01:33] Voice 5: When we lost you, trust me, Bola, do you want to start?

[2:01:36] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:01:37] Voice 5: Imagination is where we're at.

[2:01:38] Voice 5: Yeah, that's right.

[2:01:39] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:01:40] Voice 2: My goal is to enable and make possible in a modest way.

[2:01:45] Voice 2: So, you know, if there are intersections between these requests where it makes sense to bring them together or to consider them together, at least, even if they have to be split to be implemented, I look to you to do that for us and to advise us.

[2:02:07] Voice 2: so because we're coming with to you with these separate things which are sort of related but

[2:02:15] Voice 2: I don't want to turn it into a five-year project I'm looking for quick wins and low-hanging fruit

[2:02:23] Voice 2: that the art of making things possible thank you

[2:02:27] Voice 4: so just to clarify schedules

[2:02:29] Voice 4: It currently requires a cistern only in East Point for new builds.

[2:02:35] Voice 4: What I understand Trust Poland is proposing is that you're broadening that for a cistern

[2:02:41] Voice 4: requirement across the entire island, which makes a lot of sense in terms of where we're

[2:02:47] Voice 4: heading in climate change to have that secondary option.

[2:02:53] Voice 4: And I think that all of those things can be combined into a project around.

[2:02:58] Voice 4: yeah

[2:02:59] Voice 1: and they're

[2:03:00] Voice 4: when you talk about changing your map and doing a system where those are

[2:03:04] Voice 4: talking about multi-family development in a private scheme is not okay

[2:03:10] Voice 2: well anyway it's just

[2:03:13] Voice 2: i just feel like we we pick a particular different items and they may have synergy

[2:03:19] Voice 2: and you know they need to be reviewed because you know it's it may not be as simple or it needs to

[2:03:26] Voice 2: be refined let's say with copious discussion okay thank you so

[2:03:32] Voice 5: between the syrup um letter

[2:03:36] Voice 5: and trustee boland's memo that kind of gives you the foundation to do a staff

[2:03:42] Voice 4: report and i can

[2:03:42] Voice 4: provide a resolution for life perfect that the saturn island local trust committee directs staff

[2:03:48] Voice 4: to draft a project charter for a new minor project, including a review of Schedule C,

[2:03:58] Voice 4: a review of Schedule E, and a review of multifamily development zoning.

[2:04:03] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:04:04] Voice 5: So, Carly, you got that?

[2:04:08] Voice 9: Just missed the last word. A review of multifamily development, was it?

[2:04:12] Voice 4: Multifamily development zoning.

[2:04:15] Voice 4: Zoning. Thank you.

[2:04:16] Voice 5: perfect thank you all right so yes i

[2:04:20] Voice 2: move that motion

[2:04:22] Voice 2: so

[2:04:27] Voice 5: are you saying are you moving that motion uh

[2:04:33] Voice 2: yes if that's appropriate yeah absolutely

[2:04:36] Voice 5: do we need any further discussion no then we'll call the question all in favor

[2:04:45] Voice 7: in favor i'm

[2:04:47] Voice 5: curious all right thank you very much mr allen just so that i do not misquote

[2:04:51] Voice 4: our local our prestige when the authority from our membership um can we expect that those two

[2:04:59] Voice 4: projects are being concluded within a year within this you've got four meetings um i don't want

[2:05:08] Voice 4: what you feed to the fire too badly but um that would be the obvious question that i had field

[2:05:14] Voice 4: saying great please just punch it down the agenda folks thank you but

[2:05:23] Voice 4: it would be one project i think concerning those three topics

[2:05:27] Voice 4: i think uh the schedule c and the schedule e updates the bylaws could be completed in

[2:05:36] Voice 4: the year that was the focus uh a broader community conversation around multi multiple

[2:05:47] Voice 4: That conversation is much more complicated because you're starting to talk about updating

[2:05:52] Voice 4: your Schedule C and Schedule E maps, you wouldn't need to update and dig into your OCP, if you're

[2:05:57] Voice 4: talking about changing fundamentally, you're only allowing multiple family residential development

[2:06:03] Voice 4: kind of non-profit schemes versus some kind of board profit scheme, it really is a huge topic

[2:06:10] Voice 4: And it really doesn't exist in the entire US area, that model, even on salt spring aren't really developments that have been done by private developers and so on.

[2:06:25] Voice 4: So it would be, it would be, I'm not

[2:06:27] Voice 4: saying it's not feasible and there's not

[2:06:29] Voice 4: value, but it would be a big one.

[2:06:37] Voice 4: So a year for the first two is feasible, a year to get through all the, because I think

[2:06:46] Voice 4: ultimately trust council would need to decide like as a trust entity are we considering

[2:06:53] Voice 4: this movement from you know mostly driven by non-profit, multiple family, are we moving

[2:07:00] Voice 4: to a model where we're going to allow the development because really

[2:07:03] Voice 1: that's what the trust

[2:07:03] Voice 4: was developed to avoid right this morning thanks thank

[2:07:08] Voice 5: you thank you thank you so are we done with

[2:07:13] Voice 5: the active future

[2:07:14] Voice 3: projects when i can i can sort of take care of my item at this point whether it's

[2:07:19] Voice 3: input uh it relates to the standing resolution because it is listed as a score as a mining

[2:07:26] Voice 3: new project so this was to the review of bylaw enforcement notification requirements and bylaws

[2:07:32] Voice 3: 30 and 119 um and uh i had a chat about sort of where this might fit in 119 that's the land use

[2:07:43] Voice 3: bylaw amalgamated it might have a different number now but um it basically is where a bunch of

[2:07:51] Voice 3: housekeeping stuff ends up needing to be changed at some point in the term um and so what we talked

[2:07:58] Voice 3: about was not changing the reference to it's been by law enforcement it's basically the amount of

[2:08:06] Voice 3: notification time you get from the time the complaint is received or acted upon to the

[2:08:12] Voice 3: landowner with the request to enter the private property for purposes of investigating the

[2:08:18] Voice 3: infraction um and so so that sounded fine to me 119 looks there'll be some on the bus changes no

[2:08:26] Voice 3: doubt at some point in the term um and so then the i guess direction i see from uh our planner

[2:08:34] Voice 3: is file authority i think you mentioned is that that would be classed as an administrative bylaw

[2:08:40] Voice 3: it means that that i don't want to put

[2:08:41] Voice 11: words in your mouth you know

[2:08:50] Voice 11: you know not really putting any caveats in just

[2:08:53] Voice 3: matching the practice that the

[2:08:55] Voice 3: ombudsman talked about and that i've seen in other provincial legislation which is to replace

[2:09:01] Voice 3: the 24 hours which was from the skis uh land use bylaw with two weeks basically that's sufficient

[2:09:09] Voice 3: to then notify the the potential offender yet the diet i think it kind of already happens to

[2:09:15] Voice 3: to be honest with you, on Saturnia, from my experience with by law enforcement, I've not

[2:09:20] Voice 3: seen heavy handed, you know, invasion of private property, I think there's been a genuine attempt

[2:09:26] Voice 3: to get that all going. And so I would just like to codify that, basically, and it matches

[2:09:32] Voice 3: what the CRD do, it matches what other statutes in the province do. So, so yeah, so then over

[2:09:42] Voice 3: to you, Clarice, in terms of your guidance, I can make a standing resolution to just

[2:09:47] Voice 3: things apply things over there and we leave it for the time being until some time is better

[2:09:55] Voice 3: okay so can can i then make this standing resolution and just to avoid a bunch of rewording

[2:10:03] Voice 3: i would add it as an addendum now you might not be able to do that and maybe it's all

[2:10:09] Voice 3: in the extended resolution, but we have 2023.08 bylaw notification requirements on Saturna 16.5.

[2:10:19] Voice 3: I would just add another paragraph, replace reference to 24 hours in paragraph or standing

[2:10:27] Voice 3: resolution 16.5 with two weeks notification period. And that paragraph, that extended

[2:10:43] Voice 4: I think that you could amend the Standing Resolution and we'll see how that works.

[2:10:49] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:10:49] Voice 3: Should we do that?

[2:10:51] Voice 3: If

[2:10:51] Voice 4: not, we can fix it on paper later on.

[2:10:54] Voice 3: Yeah, because then there will be some consultation period that's on.

[2:10:57] Voice 4: Yeah, I think you could just, if that's what your LTC decides to do, then I think you could

[2:11:02] Voice 4: direct staff to amend the Standing Resolution.

[2:11:05] Voice 5: Okay, good.

[2:11:06] Voice 4: number since

[2:11:06] Voice 3: 2003 then it's reference 60.5 whatever that refers to i don't know um okay so i

[2:11:15] Voice 3: uh request staff and standing resolution 2023 i've sincerely laid 16.5 bylaw notification

[2:11:25] Voice 3: requirements on saturn as follows replace any reference to 24 hours of prior notification

[2:11:32] Voice 3: notification with two weeks private notification I

[2:11:37] Voice 2: second that did

[2:11:52] Voice 5: you get that motion I

[2:11:54] Voice 2: did and I

[2:11:55] Voice 2: seconded I did thank you

[2:11:57] Voice 5: okay thank you that's seconded by trustee Waller any further discussion

[2:12:02] Voice 5: that carries

[2:12:05] Voice 3: so yeah that just takes care of that as a placeholder from the time being basically so

[2:12:14] Voice 5: So we're going to leave item 3 in the Future Projects list there, but you've done the housekeeping.

[2:12:21] Voice 3: Yeah, it's

[2:12:22] Voice 3: basically given that fact through a standing resolution and then we'll catch up to it

[2:12:25] Voice 3: with the public process for the, you know, by-law procedure and whatnot at some point in the next

[2:12:30] Voice 3: two

[2:12:31] Voice 5: years. Excellent. Okay, so if we have nothing more on the Future Projects, we have

[2:12:38] Voice 5: we have applications report as page 80 to

[2:12:42] Voice 6: speak to the

[2:12:43] Voice 5: census for information basically

[2:12:45] Voice 5: we have trustee local expense report again for information adopt policies and standard

[2:12:52] Voice 5: resolutions again for information um so we pop down to do this as on page 89 which is

[2:13:00] Voice 5: housing statute changes which come to your legislation um staff demo it sounds like it's

[2:13:06] Voice 5: It's just for information, which is interesting because then we're going to mix that presentation on a slope.

[2:13:13] Voice 5: But I guess that's purely for information.

[2:13:18] Voice 5: Could I ask?

[2:13:19] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:13:20] Voice 2: I'm just thinking, I mean, these are extensive.

[2:13:23] Voice 2: I would ask, Brad, is there any little gem hidden in that that we on Ceterna need to be alerted to?

[2:13:36] Voice 11: on

[2:13:36] Voice 3: any of these items i

[2:13:38] Voice 6: would say okay

[2:13:39] Voice 2: i

[2:13:40] Voice 3: guess what about the one where i think you've referenced

[2:13:43] Voice 3: right that we request that um we opt in i think to the principal residence requirement

[2:13:52] Voice 3: is that a finite um or like i said is there a request for decision or is it like negative

[2:14:04] Voice 3: your billing you you don't do

[2:14:06] Voice 3: what it happens but

[2:14:07] Voice 5: it was but it's it's an interesting question

[2:14:12] Voice 5: because lorraine i read at some point somewhere we needed to opt in or opt out yeah because do

[2:14:20] Voice 5: we not have to give a something back to the province one way or the other well thanks so

[2:14:24] Voice 4: i think you could just need to do this you need to opt in if you want to i'll take my understanding

[2:14:29] Voice 4: is that there's maybe some a report to each lt to consider oh i don't know because that was

[2:14:35] Voice 4: not painted enough it's gonna give this a year or two uh that's what i understood from what

[2:14:42] Voice 4: happened at trust council in discussion

[2:14:45] Voice 6: so

[2:14:52] Voice 5: again because that's what we said

[2:14:54] Voice 5: yeah

[2:14:54] Voice 3: that sounds yeah

[2:14:56] Voice 5: no you said that somewhere somewhere in the report like

[2:14:59] Voice 5: you know when i read the same thing that i heard i think i think you probably misread it obviously

[2:15:04] Voice 5: yeah so so trustee bone you had anything on that uh

[2:15:11] Voice 2: the one that i think um could be beneficial

[2:15:15] Voice 2: but it would take a bit of work maybe to get it all smoothed out but i was interested in the one

[2:15:21] Voice 2: where they suggested that public hearings would not be necessary if everything aligned with the

[2:15:29] Voice 2: OCP just as a way to sort of move things along. I suppose public hearings don't cause a huge delay

[2:15:37] Voice 2: with us but I can imagine in other areas it may do. I think the steps of approval

[2:15:46] Voice 2: yeah anyway it was just one that was interesting to me that if the proposal aligns with your OCP

[2:15:53] Voice 2: then no public hearing is needed that all of that discussion occurs at the policy level.

[2:15:59] Voice 2: I know when you propose changes to the OCP.

[2:16:04] Voice 5: Thank you. All right. So we're counting 16.1,000 statute changes.

[2:16:12] Voice 5: 16.2 we've addressed previously, Trustee Boland's items.

[2:16:18] Voice 5: 16.3 SRKW management strategy review.

[2:16:23] Voice 5: view is

[2:16:25] Voice 3: there anything i i think uh punishment did an excellent job here and actually

[2:16:31] Voice 3: sitting through my years of standing resolution in this regard and coming up with a viable and

[2:16:37] Voice 3: still quite powerful way forward so i i quite like what you did here um and so i i i mean i don't know

[2:16:46] Voice 3: if you want do you want to speak to an enroller uh

[2:16:49] Voice 4: the dfo input is required tomorrow so i've

[2:16:52] Voice 4: actually drafted the letters we're about to send you that will capture that standing resolution

[2:16:56] Voice 4: as you're being put to their request for the response on the 2020 report so if you do go for

[2:17:04] Voice 4: it rather than draft a word of that at least

[2:17:10] Voice 4: expand

[2:17:10] Voice 10: a little bit on this so

[2:17:12] Voice 4: So, I don't know, yeah.

[2:17:15] Voice 4: So, the Department of Fisheries and Orphans

[2:17:19] Voice 4: has a number of interim measures

[2:17:21] Voice 4: for the protection of Southern resident killer whales

[2:17:25] Voice 4: in the Cisterna Trust area.

[2:17:27] Voice 4: And there's also a number of standing resolutions

[2:17:29] Voice 4: with respect to mirroring whale watching licensing

[2:17:35] Voice 4: regulations in Washington.

[2:17:36] Voice 10: Is that word mirroring?

[2:17:38] Voice 4: Mirroring.

[2:17:38] Voice 10: Mirroring.

[2:17:39] Voice 10: Mirroring.

[2:17:40] Voice 10: Right

[2:17:41] Voice 4: now, we have no licensing program for whale watching.

[2:17:45] Voice 11: Washington State has a resolution that

[2:17:53] Voice 4: the LTC supports a regime like that here.

[2:17:59] Voice 4: They support...

[2:18:01] Voice 4: The

[2:18:01] Voice 10: DFO is recommending this?

[2:18:03] Voice 4: No, the LTC has a standing resolution that says the LTC supports

[2:18:10] Voice 4: or encourages the federal government to adopt a licensing program like Washington, and also

[2:18:19] Voice 4: that the major shipping goals be managed more effectively, essentially. They have a number

[2:18:29] Voice 4: of resolutions that I've captured in a single resolution, and that will be provided to the

[2:18:34] Voice 4: the federal government has input into their

[2:18:37] Voice 4: all for input on proposed management measures

[2:18:41] Voice 4: for the next two years.

[2:18:43] Voice 4: Could I just say,

[2:18:45] Voice 10: CIMRES has

[2:18:46] Voice 11: done one of five

[2:18:49] Voice 11: for us and slow, slower down.

[2:19:02] Voice 4: And there's also a speed,

[2:19:04] Voice 4: there is also a resolution around speed.

[2:19:06] Voice 4: I think

[2:19:07] Voice 3: they got it from us

[2:19:08] Voice 3: because basically we did the big session

[2:19:12] Voice 3: about five, six years ago

[2:19:14] Voice 3: or when we had the phone from Ottawa come,

[2:19:16] Voice 3: there was like 100 million people here.

[2:19:18] Voice 3: So these all came out at that same time.

[2:19:22] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:19:23] Voice 3: And so, yeah.

[2:19:26] Voice 3: Great.

[2:19:26] Voice 3: Well, that's good

[2:19:27] Voice 10: because we're just sending ours in also.

[2:19:29] Voice 3: Yeah, no, that's awesome.

[2:19:31] Voice 3: I'm appreciating that.

[2:19:32] Voice 3: So these will mirror that because they all came from that same place

[2:19:35] Voice 3: at that meeting like five years ago.

[2:19:37] Voice 3: We kind of landed on supporting your passport Canada

[2:19:42] Voice 3: instead of getting pushback with that time.

[2:19:43] Voice 3: you may remember about the implementation of the the no-go zones and um um

[2:19:50] Voice 6: and what they

[2:19:51] Voice 3: implemented in the regular pandemic that they did before by their own admission communication

[2:19:55] Voice 3: so this was like an attempt to kind of resurrect that and ensure community support so that's

[2:20:02] Voice 10: that's what we're doing is showing the specifics of trying to communicate exactly

[2:20:06] Voice 3: and that's what

[2:20:07] Voice 3: this also does that's

[2:20:08] Voice 10: great i'm going to say it's at another level i'm sorry to have a question

[2:20:12] Voice 10: Well, Brad, for some reason, I can't hear you really well.

[2:20:17] Voice 10: It's true.

[2:20:18] Voice 10: I just find the acoustics here difficult.

[2:20:21] Voice 10: And I would like to know, so if we raise our hand,

[2:20:24] Voice 10: if there's something we can say, or is this a time in which...

[2:20:28] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:20:29] Voice 5: we tend to be a little bit loosey-goosey,

[2:20:32] Voice 5: but we'll try to acknowledge you.

[2:20:34] Voice 10: So

[2:20:34] Voice 5: we try to make it more inclusive, for sure.

[2:20:38] Voice 10: I appreciate that.

[2:20:39] Voice 10: So, I have some comments on things that have gone by a little bit earlier since I wasn't clear.

[2:20:44] Voice 10: Do

[2:20:55] Voice 3: you need to read the resolution in its entirety to be legal, do I?

[2:21:01] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:21:02] Voice 3: All right.

[2:21:02] Voice 3: So, I'll move that.

[2:21:03] Voice 3: Can

[2:21:04] Voice 2: I just make a comment?

[2:21:06] Voice 3: Yeah, go ahead.

[2:21:08] Voice 2: It's a minor thing, but I wonder, I really appreciate the work you put into this, Brad.

[2:21:14] Voice 2: add um item d the regulation and licensing of commercial whale watching boats to me

[2:21:22] Voice 2: that is quite an important thing and i wonder if we could change the order and make that

[2:21:29] Voice 2: a like does it mess everything up and do we have to make five resolutions to do that

[2:21:34] Voice 2: or is it a relatively straightforward thing that you can do in the letter that you send

[2:21:40] Voice 5: Yeah, well, I think this motion basically is capturing the information, and then the way that the letters are composed is different from what the resolution is, correct?

[2:21:52] Voice 4: I think I meant to order it in the way that it speaks to the actual response, so when it's ordered, speaking to the interim measures, then more long-term measures, then the other two pieces that are actually part of the measure.

[2:22:04] Voice 4: No, but the order doesn't matter.

[2:22:06] Voice 4: I

[2:22:07] Voice 2: don't mind what order like if you use your own judgment but I would like that to stand out

[2:22:12] Voice 2: as a recommendation because in my

[2:22:15] Voice 2: experience it's like it's a really important key thing

[2:22:19] Voice 2: that they need to take action on yeah it's

[2:22:23] Voice 4: already reordered

[2:22:23] Voice 4: so

[2:22:24] Voice 5: Carly just to be clear this is page 109 it's a long resolution that's folded on page 109 of the

[2:22:35] Voice 5: agenda perfect

[2:22:36] Voice 8: thank you chair when

[2:22:37] Voice 4: we're moving a to d and d and d to a okay so

[2:22:44] Voice 3: i i will um

[2:22:47] Voice 3: yes we are ready to get on the table okay so uh we have resolved that the stern island

[2:22:52] Voice 3: local trust committee fully supports the implementation of the following measures

[2:22:57] Voice 3: for the recovery of southern resident killer whales and the waters of the saturn island local

[2:23:02] Voice 3: and trust area a that commercial oil watching boats be regulated and licensed to mirror the

[2:23:09] Voice 3: regulatory regime established in the ajs of waters of washington state uh be the continuation of

[2:23:16] Voice 3: annual interim measures by the government of canada including recreational commercial salmon

[2:23:21] Voice 3: fishing closures in sanctuary and speed restricted zones and avoidance requirements whereby vessels

[2:23:27] Voice 3: vessels are prevented from approaching any kill oil a distance of less than 400 meters or impeding

[2:23:32] Voice 11: the path of any and permanent measures and integrate the annual interim measures into

[2:23:43] Voice 11: existing management production initiatives as part of the summer resident killer

[2:23:54] Voice 3: well 2019

[2:23:56] Voice 3: conservation agreement signed between Canada and shipping industry stakeholders so

[2:24:00] Voice 5: second trustee

[2:24:02] Voice 5: ballroom yes thank

[2:24:07] Voice 5: you for the discussion they call the question all in favor

[2:24:12] Voice 7: in favor that

[2:24:14] Voice 3: carries and that there's just one small follow-up motion i need to do for brad which is uh i'll do

[2:24:21] Voice 3: now which is that disturbed so not so turn on the local trust community to send a letter to the

[2:24:26] Voice 3: government of canada in support of the 2024 2025 proposed management measures for southern resident

[2:24:32] Voice 3: in kilowatt recovery and that includes the warning and standing resolution um as above

[2:24:39] Voice 3: to be determined okay so um straightforward

[2:24:43] Voice 5: um trustee ball seconded yes

[2:24:50] Voice 5: call a question on favor

[2:24:52] Voice 5: oh

[2:24:53] Voice 7: there's

[2:24:55] Voice 5: is

[2:24:57] Voice 3: there a third motion right there is you

[2:25:02] Voice 4: also need to remove the standing results

[2:25:04] Voice 4: So

[2:25:05] Voice 3: I'll make the motion that the Saturna Highland Local Trust Committee direct staff to remove resolutions 2019-047, 2020-005, and 2020-006 from the standing resolutions table.

[2:25:21] Voice 3: And seconded, Trustee Bowman?

[2:25:23] Voice 2: Seconded. And thank you, Lee, for doing such a stellar job of reading all of these. Thank you.

[2:25:29] Voice 3: I made it easy. I had to

[2:25:30] Voice 5: read the bold words.

[2:25:33] Voice 5: okay so call the question all in favor in

[2:25:37] Voice 7: favor that

[2:25:38] Voice 3: carries hopefully well that was good thank

[2:25:42] Voice 3: you that was quite a bit of mixed all the layered resolutions you had to deal with there

[2:25:48] Voice 3: yes good

[2:25:52] Voice 2: job brad thank you for making sense out of something that was a tangled

[2:25:57] Voice 2: web thank you literally

[2:26:00] Voice 4: sending a letter right now to the excellent um

[2:26:04] Voice 5: upcoming minutes uh our

[2:26:07] Voice 5: meetings um we have uh considering moving the meeting from may 26 to may 23rd i think i saw

[2:26:14] Voice 5: emails that everybody's already agreeing with that yeah does that work for you trustee bolland

[2:26:23] Voice 2: yes that's fine by me so

[2:26:26] Voice 5: do we need a motion or just by consent on that just

[2:26:29] Voice 2: i'm consent

[2:26:31] Voice 2: said yeah

[2:26:33] Voice 5: it's

[2:26:39] Voice 4: like four weeks that week that's the week of uh i'm actually waiting that week

[2:26:43] Voice 4: because it is uh oh no i'm awake

[2:26:47] Voice 4: yeah

[2:26:48] Voice 5: so and i'm i'm awake

[2:26:53] Voice 3: so can we

[2:27:06] Voice 4: get to that

[2:27:12] Voice 4: Okay,

[2:27:13] Voice 3: I'll move that. I make a motion that we move the meeting of May 16th to May 23rd, 2024 at the Saturna Recreation and Cultural Centre.

[2:27:26] Voice 3: Seconded, Trustee Boland?

[2:27:27] Voice 3: Seconded.

[2:27:29] Voice 3: Next

[2:27:30] Voice 2: time we need the password for the good Wi-Fi.

[2:27:32] Voice 2: Oh, no, I see that.

[2:27:37] Voice 5: It doesn't work any better.

[2:27:39] Voice 5: No.

[2:27:39] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:27:41] Voice 5: um so and I just want to just confirm that Carly got all that I

[2:27:45] Voice 8: did yeah that the meeting is being

[2:27:47] Voice 8: moved thank you

[2:27:48] Voice 5: thank you all right all right so now we're at the town hall portion to anybody has

[2:27:58] Voice 5: any more you want to add to go ahead

[2:28:04] Voice 10: oh sorry

[2:28:06] Voice 6: I thought there was

[2:28:07] Voice 10: someone behind me um I really

[2:28:09] really

[2:28:09] Voice 10: appreciate what Maurice has brought up about water and groundwater and I'm uh the maps

[2:28:17] Voice 10: were probably done 15 to 20 years ago by the person who was doing a lot of investigative work

[2:28:23] Voice 10: on Saturn Island and I would like to caution there's two cautions I see one of them is having

[2:28:31] Voice 10: um a 50 acre piece on Saturn in the middle and I'm behind Warburton Pike so there's snow and

[2:28:39] Voice 10: and if there's rain, I'm going to get it.

[2:28:41] Voice 10: I have been, within the last two years,

[2:28:45] Voice 10: very surprised at the shift in groundwater at my place.

[2:28:52] Voice 10: And I probably have nine springs coming out

[2:28:57] Voice 10: of the base of Warburton Pipe when it rains hard.

[2:29:02] Voice 10: And while that looks like a lot of water,

[2:29:04] Voice 10: what I am finding, the duration and the amount of heat

[2:29:09] Voice 10: for the groundwater that I am running out of groundwater which means the larger

[2:29:15] Voice 10: apple trees that I have and the amount that I have to do a small amount of

[2:29:23] Voice 10: irrigation for herds of sheep is simply is not present if I want to have enough

[2:29:28] Voice 10: water I am adjacent to Lyle Creek which is a salmon bearing stream and by October

[2:29:36] Voice 10: I'm taking water out of my large pond to keep that up enough so that the salmon can get in.

[2:29:46] Voice 10: So my point being, I'm sorry to have so many explanations,

[2:29:51] Voice 10: is it's changing year by year in a dramatic enough style that someone who isn't either dropping...

[2:30:00] Voice 10: doing scientific recovery can easily recount that there are changes so

[2:30:09] Voice 10: you probably don't know but the the groundwater area compacts year after year if it's not getting

[2:30:17] Voice 10: it's like a sponge if it doesn't get re-watered enough and significantly deep enough it makes

[2:30:24] Voice 10: big changes cumulative changes so um i am leery of letting go to

[2:30:35] Voice 10: increase the amount of housing and do mapping and change zones without some very recent

[2:30:45] Voice 10: examination of how much water there actually is to use and the other thing about for the people

[2:30:53] Voice 10: who are builders and maybe it's getting cheaper but to put rain water the type the level for

[2:30:59] Voice 10: drinking water off of houses off of works to use is very expensive that has been my experience so

[2:31:06] Voice 10: if you're looking for adding en-suites or or you know

[2:31:11] Voice 10: densifying houses and properties that are

[2:31:14] Voice 10: already there that's kind of a collision of a great increase in price to to do that if you

[2:31:22] Voice 10: decide to have to have a certain amount of water. So what I'm saying is I have one of the larger

[2:31:27] Voice 10: building plants and I am quite concerned about the variation in it and if I would be able to

[2:31:34] Voice 10: continue to do the amount of farming and gardening plus have sheep on it. And this is my 40 years of

[2:31:41] Voice 10: experience on this piece of land. I find it alarming to tell you. So I wouldn't change those

[2:31:47] Voice 10: things because there's a big pressure to change the amount of housing that can be accommodated

[2:31:53] Voice 10: on saturn without looking to see if there is actually affordable water uh people who don't

[2:31:59] Voice 10: live on the land do not understand that it comes from somewhere this is an island and it's not

[2:32:06] Voice 10: magical unless i guess people have um where they take ocean water and change up but i think that's

[2:32:11] Voice 10: a fairly expensive option so i see the big push to do that uh but please know that there's up to

[2:32:21] Voice 10: there's year-to-year changes right now and they are not small changes they are very observable

[2:32:27] Voice 10: the other thing that i wanted to say is i think that marieville has uh um an important thing that

[2:32:34] Voice 10: that she pulled out of the NDP's push for more housing.

[2:32:40] Voice 10: And that is about whether or not you hold a public meeting

[2:32:44] Voice 10: if the zoning is okay and support something.

[2:32:51] Voice 10: So Oak Bay has just gone ballistic

[2:32:52] Voice 10: and there are areas of Langford

[2:32:55] Voice 10: where because there is older legislation

[2:32:57] Voice 10: that allows for something or doesn't,

[2:33:02] Voice 10: the government or the public, the, you know, what do you call it?

[2:33:08] Voice 10: The small communities, because the situation,

[2:33:16] Voice 10: all the things that make demands on small communities, health,

[2:33:26] Voice 10: certain medical services, I am very leery of that

[2:33:31] Voice 10: and may get a lot of good publicity.

[2:33:34] Voice 10: You know, those are complex problems.

[2:33:36] Voice 10: And simply to say we are going to densify this area

[2:33:39] Voice 10: is not adequate in my mind.

[2:33:43] Voice 10: I don't find it receptive.

[2:33:45] Voice 10: Saturna Island has always had meetings like this.

[2:33:48] Voice 10: We've always had the ability to discuss that.

[2:33:50] Voice 10: And I think we've been very capable at looking at recent changes or desires.

[2:33:58] Voice 10: And we do change, and we have looked at zoning extensively.

[2:34:02] Voice 10: And I think to continue to have that capacity is important, to have the public.

[2:34:07] Voice 10: Otherwise, the public just says, sorry, what's the value?

[2:34:11] Voice 10: Why would we come and participate?

[2:34:13] Voice 10: because it's already set in stone.

[2:34:15] Voice 10: So that is my

[2:34:16] Voice 10: two cents.

[2:34:18] Voice 10: And the other thing about shoreline,

[2:34:20] Voice 10: you know the change that we had

[2:34:21] Voice 10: when Ministry of Transport decided

[2:34:23] Voice 10: to cut all those trees down.

[2:34:25] Voice 10: I don't, I hear that that's a very long range thing,

[2:34:29] Voice 10: but the effects are immediate on what has been happening.

[2:34:33] Voice 10: Whether it's Parks Canada losing a whole bunch of land

[2:34:36] Voice 10: at East Point or all along our Northern Exposed,

[2:34:40] Voice 10: well, where you live, you must see huge changes.

[2:34:43] Voice 10: So I don't know how much time you really do have to make judicious decisions.

[2:34:49] Voice 10: And my desire would be that the entire trust area, every one of these large islands have very exposed shorelines.

[2:34:57] Voice 10: And I wish that we could say something about this type of shoring up for a landowner who has that works.

[2:35:04] Voice 10: And this type we know is destructive.

[2:35:07] Voice 10: So very, very practical and reasonable things.

[2:35:10] Voice 10: This does not work.

[2:35:11] Voice 10: This does.

[2:35:12] Voice 10: So I think it's a problem that requires some pretty immediate help.

[2:35:19] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[2:35:21] Voice 10: I mean, it's pretty long-winded, but...

[2:35:23] Voice 5: Anybody else?

[2:35:26] Voice 14: It's Jean Morgan.

[2:35:27] Voice 14: I just have a question, and it's a question related,

[2:35:30] Voice 14: actually, more to long-falls issues,

[2:35:33] Voice 14: but it's the consultation process for First Nations.

[2:35:37] Voice 14: And I don't...

[2:35:39] Voice 14: I mean, it's not that I disagree with it,

[2:35:42] Voice 14: But the way I view it, consultation is a higher level of government and at your level, because you really can't do anything other than to write back and forth.

[2:35:53] Voice 14: You don't, you really can't even enter an agreement with them because you've got all of these larger groups.

[2:36:01] Voice 14: So to me, it's more engagement, like it's more notification than it is a total consultation.

[2:36:09] Voice 14: consultation now maybe brad can speak to it but i don't know i've looked at the websites and it's

[2:36:16] Voice 14: it's difficult i mean you're all in a very difficult position because it's mandated to do

[2:36:24] Voice 14: it which i totally understand and i approve of and i present as a citizen but it it creates a

[2:36:31] Voice 14: problem because you have no resolution for them and that is there's something missing there and

[2:36:39] Voice 14: And the provincial government doesn't seem to comprehend your limited resources to handle these.

[2:36:46] Voice 14: And I don't know who you go to, but quite frankly, what's happened here is going to create animosity here.

[2:36:56] Voice 14: And it's not, it shouldn't have happened, but there's no way around it.

[2:37:01] Voice 14: it. And that's the issue. Somebody higher up in the government needs to examine this

[2:37:08] Voice 14: because it's putting people in a terrible position. It's putting the First Nations with

[2:37:15] Voice 14: an expectation that can't be met. And there's a difference between consultation, which is

[2:37:22] Voice 14: what the government is engaged in in the negotiating table, and the

[2:37:26] Voice 11: situation that we're faced

[2:37:28] Voice 11: with on these islands and they have to be protected it's their

[2:37:45] Voice 14: it's their heritage but

[2:37:49] Voice 14: what we're faced with now is give them notification and gee i'm sorry we can't do

[2:37:55] Voice 14: anything for you and that is just disaster that's my comment thank

[2:38:01] Voice 4: you very much

[2:38:06] Voice 4: I'm not going to repeat what this grand lady just said, but in the same vein, it's the

[2:38:15] Voice 4: expectation that has been created in the last five or ten years about these kinds of issues

[2:38:22] Voice 4: is so great that you're bound to run into some serious problems because of your inability

[2:38:31] Voice 4: ability to meet the expectations that have been created by governments in this country.

[2:38:39] Voice 4: It's going to be tough to find your way through them and at some point there'll be people

[2:38:45] Voice 4: calling for and demanding that you get on with the job and that means getting beyond

[2:38:54] Voice 4: the discussions and carry on in a different way than you are now.

[2:39:01] Voice 4: As you go to the end of this, almost every day, every day, every day is constantly there.

[2:39:09] Voice 4: It's got to

[2:39:10] Voice 11: be a better way.

[2:39:12] Voice 11: Thank you very much.

[2:39:19] Voice 11: For the trust, given

[2:39:22] Voice 10: that all of the islands have local zoning and bylaws,

[2:39:30] Voice 10: is it a slippery path that appears?

[2:39:33] Voice 10: Here's, I mean, notification is probably a thing

[2:39:35] Voice 10: that irritates First Nations a lot.

[2:39:38] Voice 10: Here we go.

[2:39:39] Voice 10: And now it's gone.

[2:39:41] Voice 10: We notified you that we were going to do that.

[2:39:43] Voice 10: So what's the value of that?

[2:39:46] Voice 5: Well, there's notification,

[2:39:48] Voice 11: but we voted.

[2:39:57] Voice 11: It depends on the process.

[2:40:00] Voice 5: Yeah, but within the Islands Trust, there's a large,

[2:40:04] Voice 5: like I know on Main Island, I believe it is 18 First Nations.

[2:40:08] Voice 5: it's

[2:40:08] Voice 10: 19 months yeah

[2:40:09] Voice 5: um so it uh we do it in session um we have specialized staff um in the

[2:40:17] Voice 5: role of course your position right now is stated i believe we're just about to refill it um so we

[2:40:22] Voice 5: do have professional staff who can guide us very very well um the the only thing with mr hall's

[2:40:33] Voice 5: application once it once is the first time and and so the genuinely we are already here

[2:40:40] Voice 5: um the trust the applicant um um first nations everybody's through this new

[2:40:47] Voice 5: aircraft land reserve process that we're working with so we will get better we will get but

[2:40:55] Voice 5: But the reality is we all have to work together.

[2:40:59] Voice 5: There's no, in the road forward,

[2:41:02] Voice 5: there's no way that First Nations can get us through the process.

[2:41:07] Voice 5: But we need to work together.

[2:41:09] Voice 5: We need to have good conciliatory relationships.

[2:41:13] Voice 5: And, you know, with the vaccination, we will have to reach out.

[2:41:17] Voice 5: And we will do our very best to sort of explain the situation at hand.

[2:41:22] Voice 5: um but these are not easy issues

[2:41:25] Voice 6: and

[2:41:26] Voice 5: certainly when you get into the senior levels of government

[2:41:30] Voice 5: they're very very complicated issues um on our level we have a duty to consult

[2:41:36] Voice 5: and inform and we will do our very best to do that and

[2:41:40] Voice 10: so that is that is my question your

[2:41:43] Voice 10: the islands trust as we know it right here in this area is the duty is to inform

[2:41:50] Voice 4: So, the duty to consult through the courts rests with the federal and provincial governments,

[2:41:57] Voice 4: but local governments are creatures of the provincial government created and removed by

[2:42:04] Voice 4: statute of the provincial government. So, more and more the courts are finding that there's also

[2:42:10] Voice 4: constatory requirements of local governments. The term engagement is a term that's used by local

[2:42:17] Voice 4: local governments, because in government, there's a capital C consultation, that's the

[2:42:24] Voice 4: federal and provincial court-allegated level, but the small c consultation absolutely applies

[2:42:34] Voice 4: to local governments. And local governments do enter into agreements with First Nation

[2:42:39] Voice 4: governments around

[2:42:40] Voice 11: servicing, around land use. So joint servicing agreements between

[2:42:54] Voice 11: between a First

[2:42:55] Voice 4: Nation community and an adjacent municipality

[2:42:58] Voice 4: where they share a sewer or they share water,

[2:43:01] Voice 4: they share, you know,

[2:43:03] Voice 4: Islands Trust is the land use planning service.

[2:43:07] Voice 4: All the other services on the island here

[2:43:09] Voice 4: are provided by the CRD.

[2:43:11] Voice 4: In a municipality, the land use planning service

[2:43:13] Voice 4: is rolled into the municipal government.

[2:43:16] Voice 4: So in Saanich, planning is part of

[2:43:19] Voice 4: an integrated service model,

[2:43:22] Voice 4: and that's what makes the Islands Trust so unique.

[2:43:24] Voice 4: need because it is only that kind of service. And that is also what creates some of our

[2:43:29] Voice 4: limits. We don't

[2:43:30] Voice 4: have an inspection function. We don't have like authority for business

[2:43:37] Voice 4: licensing to manage short-term recoups. So it creates...

[2:43:41] Voice 4: So

[2:43:41] Voice 10: if it's a service, I completely understand.

[2:43:44] Voice 10: And when it comes to private land, which is

[2:43:48] Voice 10: what most zoning has to do with or more

[2:43:50] Voice 10: particularly much zoning if it's private land

[2:43:54] Voice 10: then is that completely excluded from consultation notifying not

[2:44:01] Voice 4: if there's a land use decision that

[2:44:02] Voice 4: is before the local trust committee to make and in this case the the land use exclusion

[2:44:07] Voice 4: uh the legislation requires that the local government is the applicant so mr hall is not

[2:44:15] Voice 4: the applicant he's a full applicator he's asking the LCC to apply on his behalf but they own the

[2:44:23] Voice 4: application so as the owners of the application they invited you have the obligation to meet the

[2:44:31] Voice 4: reconciliation uh considerations around First Nations consultation and that's what steered

[2:44:38] Voice 4: of our recommendation. Does that make sense?

[2:44:42] Voice 4: It

[2:44:42] Voice 10: does. I've never heard this anywhere else and I really appreciate it.

[2:44:46] Voice 4: And in terms of your

[2:44:48] Voice 11: comment around notification,

[2:44:57] Voice 11: in my 20 years of government, it's never

[2:44:58] Voice 4: been like that. It really isn't.

[2:45:00] Voice 4: When you're sending something to a First Nation, even if it's called a notification

[2:45:04] Voice 4: process, it is with the

[2:45:09] Voice 4: implicit intent that if they send you stuff to consider,

[2:45:13] Voice 4: you can't just say oh like it really i

[2:45:16] Voice 14: don't dispute that i what i meant by that is you

[2:45:20] Voice 14: do not have a lot of legal authority to resolve some of these issues um especially if it's i mean

[2:45:28] Voice 14: it's crown land yeah there's more authority but it's private land it becomes it becomes

[2:45:34] Voice 14: very difficult to get a resolution that suits everybody and that i understand the the limitations

[2:45:42] Voice 14: very much. What I meant more by modification is that when they come back, there's very

[2:45:49] Voice 14: little, like you can't, very little for the trust to accommodate something that they may

[2:45:55] Voice 14: want.

[2:45:55] Voice 4: In this case, they were willing, the trust was willing to pay for a site that has a

[2:45:59] Voice 4: property and there's not enough to occur. So there is accommodation that the trust can't

[2:46:04] Voice 4: provide. That is, that

[2:46:05] Voice 4: would be, that would be, that is the

[2:46:09] Voice 4: response that staff are

[2:46:11] Voice 4: so

[2:46:11] Voice 10: if they identify a burial ground on ron's land or whoever is in the perimeter or something like

[2:46:18] Voice 10: that then you make a decision then you as the legal applicant because the application belongs

[2:46:26] Voice 10: to you and co belongs to you or i'm just i'm only saying these names because i don't because

[2:46:32] Voice 10: Because

[2:46:32] Voice 4: that's the

[2:46:35] Voice 10: word that they

[2:46:35] Voice 4: need to own, yeah.

[2:46:36] Voice 10: Okay, and so if Slayaxon or Seau comes back and says,

[2:46:42] Voice 10: no, this is important to us, we would like some accommodation here,

[2:46:47] Voice 10: we would like this to look like this, is that?

[2:46:49] Voice 4: Then they could use that information at their decision,

[2:46:52] Voice 4: whether they submit the application or exclude it or not.

[2:46:57] Voice 4: But they have decided today to just submit the application

[2:47:00] Voice 4: without that additional information that the LIAX is wanting to provide.

[2:47:07] Voice 14: It gets rare, and this is the thing where it became, you know, testy in some ways,

[2:47:13] Voice 14: because if you have private land,

[2:47:16] Voice 11: the Crown can't invite them on,

[2:47:18] Voice 11: or the owner of that title has to take permission

[2:47:27] Voice 14: for people to come on,

[2:47:29] Voice 14: otherwise it's a stress task. It creates a huge problem.

[2:47:34] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:47:36] Voice 14: I just feel better.

[2:47:38] Voice 6: So

[2:47:39] Voice 5: anybody else?

[2:47:40] Voice 14: Thank you

[2:47:41] Voice 5: very much.

[2:47:47] Voice 6: I

[2:47:48] Voice 5: appreciate that.

[2:48:10] Voice 2: I can't hear the very well, I was able to hear him, but not right now.

[2:49:42] Voice 4: a lot of questions yes

[2:49:44] Voice 10: thank you thank you great discussion bye

[2:49:48] Voice 4: -bye okay so

[2:49:53] Voice 3: i know that the meeting close to the public in accordance to the community charter

[2:50:01] Voice 3: part four division three section 19 1 a i for the purpose of considering a personal information

[2:50:09] Voice 3: about an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer,

[2:50:15] Voice 3: employee, or agent of the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality

[2:50:22] Voice 3: and that the recorder and staff attend the meetings.

[2:50:25] Voice 3: All right, I second it.

[2:50:26] Voice 3: Trustee Borlaug?

[2:50:27] Voice 2: Yes, I second that.

[2:50:29] Voice 5: So we've got a question on the paper.

[2:50:31] Voice 5: That's period.

[2:50:33] Voice 5: So we move over to our in-camera agenda.

[2:50:38] Voice 2: to go. We've got somebody here doing

[2:50:41] Voice 2: an estimate for something, so I'd like to jump in.

[2:50:45] Voice 2: So thanks for the meeting. I don't think you need me to adjourn, do you?

[2:50:49] Voice 5: No, we're good. So the rising report from the Incarnate

[2:50:52] Voice 5: is that we have deferred the appointment

[2:50:56] Voice 5: to the Board of Directors to a future date.

[2:51:01] Voice 5: Great. So this is motion to adjourn.

[2:51:04] Voice 5: okay i'll make them open to returning the meeting second the trusty board

[2:51:07] Voice 5: call a question we are answering thank you everybody thank you

[2:51:12] Voice 2: everybody thanks

Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
February 15, 2024 ADOPTED Page 1 of 9 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
 
Location:  
February 15, 2024 
Saturna Recreation and Cultural Centre 
104 Harris Road, Saturna Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Lee Middleton, Local Trustee 
 Mairead Boland, Local Trustee (electronic) 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Carly Bilney, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: Paul Brent, Capital Regional District Electoral Area Director for the 
Southern Gulf Islands 
  
 There were approximately eight (8) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 11:36 a.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Boland made the following comments: 
 The budget process is unfolding in a well structured and well managed way 
 There is an initiative within the Islands Trust to achieve more coherent and regular 
corporate planning, which may lead to better discussions about the budget in the future 
 The Islands Trust Chief Administrative Officer announced his upcoming retirement at 
the end of June and a hiring committee is seeking a replacement 
 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee received a number of applications for the special 
Advisory Planning Commission to address roadway infrastructure issues 
 
Trustee Middleton’s report included an update on Judith Myers’ property and a description of 
the updated interpretation of the Trust Mandate as a good start to balancing human and 
environmental factors. 
  
 

 
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4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Maude commented on how issues related to the interpretation of the Trust Mandate have 
recently been at the forefront and noted a recent editorial in Driftwood Magazine. 
 
5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT 
Paul Brent, Capital Regional District Electoral Area Director for the Southern Gulf Islands, made 
the following comments: 
 Focus has been on housing and a Rural Housing Program has recently been endorsed by 
the Capital Regional District Board 
 The Capital Regional District has some external funding from the Southern Gulf Islands 
Tourism Partnership 
 The Capital Regional District has been very successful at getting matching funds, and is 
hoping to do so to provide housing options 
 
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Town hall was held and no comments were made. 
 
7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
8. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated October 19, 2023 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
October 19, 2023 were adopted. 
9.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated October 19, 2023 (for Receipt) 
Received for information. 
9.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information.  
 
11. DELEGATIONS - None 
  

 
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12. CORRESPONDENCE - None 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
12.1 Islands Trust Council Chair re Rescind name on Tumbo Island 
Received for information. 
 
12.2 Saturna Island Residents and Ratepayers Association re Bylaw Amendments 
Robert Alloway, Chair of the Saturna Island Residents & Ratepayers Associations, 
commented on the requested amendments to Saturna Island Land Use Bylaw 119 as 
included in the agenda.  
Discussion was held and the following comments were made: 
 A multifamily residential model would be subject to market forces 
 There is hope that the Islands Trust and Capital Regional District can jointly 
apply to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s Housing Accelerator 
Fund 
 The Local Trust Committee has the ability to rezone a parcel of land to 
affordable or community housing that would be bound by a housing agreement 
 Low-cost, subsidized housing would be very beneficial to the community 
 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaw No. 234 (for 
Response) 
SA-2024-001 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 234. 
CARRIED  
 
13.2 SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk) - Staff Report  
Island Planner Smith reviewed the Staff Report related to SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk). 
Comments were made that a special electronic meeting could be scheduled for the 
week of April 1.  
SA-2024-002 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 140, cited as “Saturna 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 70, 2000, Amendment No. 1, 2023” be 
read a second time. 
CARRIED  
 
  

 
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SA-2024-003 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 141, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 2, 2023” be read a 
second time. 
CARRIED  
 
SA-2024-004 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to schedule a public 
hearing on application SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk), to be held electronically via a 
special meeting. 
CARRIED  
 
SA-2024-005 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a community 
information meeting on application SA-RZ-2023.2 (Thachuk) to be held 
concurrently with a public hearing. 
CARRIED  
 
13.3 SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) - Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith reviewed the Staff Report related to SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall). 
Discussion ensued and the following comments were made: 
 The Agricultural Land Reserve process is new and the Local Trust Committee is 
unfamiliar with it; the process has taken a long time and no one has a clear view 
of the risks and costs involved 
 The Local Trust Committee must make the exclusion application and the 
landowner must make the inclusion application; they are considered separately, 
but concurrently 
 The Local Trust Committee needs more advice from higher levels of 
government 
 As soon as possible the Trustees should discuss the process with Islands Trust 
and Agricultural Land Commission staff – those who have experience and 
knowledge 
 Forestry practices did significant damage to the property 
 The applicant is not willing to entertain a site visit for concerned First Nations 
It was moved that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee directs that staff submit 
application SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) to the Agricultural Land Commission for consideration 
of the proposed 12-hectare land exclusion. Discussion on the motion ensued and the 
following comments were made: 
 
 The Local Trust Committee is concerned with Reconciliation, but there is a 
question as to whether this is the vehicle through which it might build a positive 
relationship with Lyackson First Nation 

 
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 This application is changing lines on the map for local planning purposes 
 The Local Trust Committee might wish to communicate with Lyackson First 
Nation its wish to increase dialogue and explain that it is constrained by a lack 
of understanding of Agricultural Land Commission policy 
 
SA-2024-006 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee directs that staff submit application 
SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) to the Agricultural Land Commission for consideration of 
the proposed 12-hectare land exclusion. 
CARRIED 
 
SA-2024-007 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that further, Saturna Island Local Trust Committee write to Lyackson First 
Nation explaining a desire to engage in meaningful Reconciliation and be clear 
and open about the process in which the Local Trust Committee is in the middle 
of, and explain the commitment to continued communication. 
CARRIED  
 
A break was held between 1:15 – 1:20 p.m. 
 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Draft Fees Bylaw No. 142 – Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith briefly reviewed the Staff Report on the Draft Fees Bylaw No. 142. 
SA-2024-008 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 142, cited as “Saturna 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2023”, be given First Reading. 
CARRIED  
SA-2024-009 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 142, cited as “Saturna 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2023”, be given Second Reading. 
CARRIED  
SA-2024-010 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 142, cited as “Saturna 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2023”, be given Third Reading. 
CARRIED  
  

 
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SA-2024-011 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 142, cited as “Saturna 
Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2023”, be forwarded to the Secretary 
of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED  
 
Comments were made that this is the culmination of longstanding deferred business 
over a number of years. 
 
15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Reports 
15.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
15.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. Discussion was held about various projects contained 
with the Work Program Reports, and comments were made about the need to 
refine the list and examine items that may have synergy. 
SA-2024-012 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee request that staff remove Item 2 – 
Review of split zoning regulations in Land Use Bylaw – and replace it with 
Shoreline Policy Review. 
CARRIED 
 
SA-2024-013 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to gather the Project 
Charter for a new Minor Project including a review of Schedule C, a review of 
Schedule E, and a review of multi-family development zoning. 
CARRIED 
 
SA-2024-014 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend the standing 
resolution 2023-008, 16.5 bylaw notification requirements on Saturna as 
follows: Replace any reference to 24-hours notification with two weeks prior 
notification. 
CARRIED 
15.2 Applications Report Dated Feb 2024 
Received for information. 
  

 
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15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Dec 2023 
Received for information. 
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report – None 
 
16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 Housing Statute Changes to British Columbia Legislation – Staff Memo 
Received for information. Comments were made about the suggestion that public 
hearings would no longer be necessary in rezoning applications that are consistent with 
the Official Community Plan. 
16.2 Trustee Boland re Request to revise Saturna Island Schedule E – Secondary Suites – 
Land Use Bylaw No. 119 
This topic was discussed previously under item 12.2. 
16.3 Southern Resident Killer Whale Management Measures Review – Staff Memo 
Island Planner Smith reviewed the Staff Memo regarding the Southern Resident Killer 
Whale Management Measures Review as included in the agenda. Brief discussion 
ensued.  
SA-2024-015 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee fully supports the implementation of 
the following measures for the recovery of Southern Resident Killer Whales in 
the waters of the Saturna Island Local Trust Area: 
 
a) that commercial whale watching boats be regulated and or licensed to 
mirror the regulatory regime established in the adjacent waters of 
Washington State 
b) the continuation of annual interim measures by the Government of 
Canada including recreational and commercial salmon fishing closures, 
interim sanctuary and speed restricted zones, and avoidance requirements 
whereby vessels are prohibited from approaching any killer whale at a 
distance of less than 400-metres, or impeding the path of an individual or 
group 
c) efforts by the Government of Canada to develop longer-term and 
permanent measures, and integrate the annual interim measures into 
existing management processes; and, 
d) large commercial vessel speed reduction initiatives as part of the 
Southern Resident Killer Whale 2019 conservation agreement signed 
between Canada and shipping industry stakeholders 
CARRIED 

 
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SA-2024-016 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to send a letter to the 
Government of Canada in support of the 2024/2025 proposed management 
measures for Southern Resident Killer Whale recovery and that includes the 
wording of standing resolution as above. 
CARRIED 
SA-2024-017 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to remove standing 
resolutions 2019-047, 2020-005, and 2020-006 from the standing resolutions 
table. 
CARRIED 
 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Consider moving May 16, 2024 meeting to May 23, 2024 at the Saturna Recreation 
and Cultural Centre 
SA-2024-018 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to move the meeting 
scheduled for May 16, 2024 to May 23, 2024 at the Saturna Recreation and 
Cultural Centre.  
CARRIED 
 
18. TOWN HALL  
Town hall was held and the following comments were made: 
 Concern was expressed about the impact that an increased number of secondary suites 
may have on groundwater supply 
 Concern was expressed about the implications of not having a public hearing on 
rezoning applications that comply with the Official Community Plan 
 The provincial government does not comprehend the limited resources local 
governments have to engage in consultation with First Nations 
 The Islands Trust, the applicant, and First Nations are learning together about the new 
Agricultural Land Reserve process, and conciliatory relationships are needed to move 
the Hall application (SA-ALR-2023.1) forward 
 Local governments can enter into joint servicing agreements with First Nations 
 The applicant for SA-ALR-2023.1 (Hall) is requesting that the Local Trust Committee 
apply for exclusion from the Agricultural Land Reserve on his behalf; the Local Trust 
Committee, as the applicant, has an obligation to consult with First Nations 
 

 
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19. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
19.1 Motion to Close the Meeting  
SA-2024-019 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(a)(i) for the purpose of considering: 
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is 
being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the 
municipality or another position appointed by the municipality 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
19.2 Recall to Order 
19.3 Rise and Report 
The Local Trust Committee deferred appointment to the Board of Variance to a future 
date.  
 
20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:38 p.m. 
 
 
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David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Carly Bilney, Recorder