Islands Trust Council regular meeting, February 22, 2024

[0:00:05] Voice 12: well good yeah okay

[0:00:06] Voice 12: good morning um everyone uh folks in the room here that have joined us today

[0:00:11] Voice 12: it's terrific to have uh people in the room and in the space i'm certainly glad to be here in

[0:00:17] Voice 12: this space with you it's important to me and my name is jerry luckham i'm the chair of the

[0:00:23] Voice 12: gabrielle local trust committee and of course i'm elected and live on adidas island in the

[0:00:29] Voice 12: the Penelaket-Laxon Territory, and I'm Chair of Honest Trust Council, and it's, you know,

[0:00:36] Voice 12: I'm grateful to have the opportunity to work in the Southern Gulf Islands and the Coast

[0:00:41] Voice 12: Seas Territory, and today here in Snenemo Territory.

[0:00:48] Voice 12: Pleasure to be here, and I think it's a great personal opportunity, learning opportunity

[0:00:54] Voice 12: opportunity to reflect on the history of this place which is certainly full of rich culture

[0:00:59] Voice 12: and history it's also got lots of sad stuff that happened that's a lot of grief and uh through uh

[0:01:06] Voice 12: reconciliation process that the Ostrus is committed to I'm hoping that we can work through this and

[0:01:11] Voice 12: come to a better place and work together and um so that's my uh introduction here today and uh just

[0:01:18] Voice 12: uh introduce custody to hear many remarks um susan yes thank

[0:01:22] Voice 3: you chair luckham i actually do have a

[0:01:24] Voice 3: land acknowledgement um and i want to do something a little bit different this time i want to base it

[0:01:31] Voice 3: on an event i attended at the museum on family day on monday which was so enjoyable and it was with

[0:01:38] Voice 3: um a woman named philip and jolly from denman island and i have another connection with her

[0:01:44] Voice 3: through books and that sort and children and educating. She's an outdoor educator, she's a

[0:01:49] Voice 3: medicinal herbalist and she is an author and she wrote this amazing book called A Kid's Guide to

[0:01:55] Voice 3: Plants of the Pacific Northwest which I use all the time and you can probably tell from all the

[0:02:01] Voice 3: sticky notes inside it. So the first chapter of this book is entitled Indigenous Peoples of the

[0:02:08] Voice 3: Pacific Northwest Coast and it underpins all of the information throughout this book. The

[0:02:14] Voice 3: The author's note states that the book was written on Comox, Pentlatch, Colicum, Hamalko,

[0:02:19] Voice 3: Tlahus, Tla'aman, Wewakai, and Wewakam lands.

[0:02:22] Voice 3: It was dreamed up, however, on Lekwungen territory, Wisanich territory, Musqueam, Squamish, and

[0:02:29] Voice 3: Tsleil-Waututh land, where the author previously lived.

[0:02:32] Voice 3: And she says in the introduction, I'm indebted to all the Indigenous knowledge keepers who

[0:02:37] Voice 3: have taught me what I know about plants.

[0:02:39] Voice 3: I hold in my heart the complex historical and ongoing displacement of Indigenous peoples from their lands.

[0:02:47] Voice 3: So, Philippa Jolie works with Pentlatch Comox Elder Barb White, and she acknowledges Wet'suwet'en land and water defender Slado, also called Molly Wickham, who gathers plants with children to keep them connected to their homeland.

[0:03:01] Voice 3: land. Much

[0:03:02] Voice 3: of what we know about the uses of plants for food and medicine comes to us from

[0:03:07] Voice 3: First Nations elders and knowledge keepers, and this is really important for two reasons. First,

[0:03:13] Voice 3: recognition of who our teachers are helps nurture respect for the traditions and cultures that

[0:03:19] Voice 3: support them, and second, because we live and learn on land that has been tended and shaped by

[0:03:26] Voice 3: thousands of years of coastal First Nation cultures. So finally, I'm going to read a tiny

[0:03:32] Voice 3: little bit from the chapter called Plant Names and Languages, which I think about a lot. The names

[0:03:40] Voice 3: show the colonial perspective that was current at the time of naming them, like Douglas fir, for

[0:03:46] Voice 3: example, a tree that's been growing on the coast for many thousands of years before there was ever

[0:03:52] Voice 3: such a person as David Douglas who named the tree after himself.

[0:03:56] Voice 3: There are many other European men who named plants

[0:03:59] Voice 3: after themselves, claiming to have discovered them, when in reality

[0:04:04] Voice 3: these plants had long been part of daily life for the

[0:04:08] Voice 3: coastal Indigenous peoples. And

[0:04:10] Voice 3: I'll just leave it at

[0:04:12] Voice 3: that. That is just one way of showing my

[0:04:16] Voice 3: respect for First Nations history and culture.

[0:04:19] Voice 3: sure thank you Susan

[0:04:22] Voice 3: beautiful thank you um yes I'm honored to serve here as your one of your

[0:04:29] Voice 3: two locally elected trustees Gabriel of Munch and the Corsi very pleased to see some uh members of

[0:04:36] Voice 3: the Munch community here today and um yeah I'm grateful as always to live and serve in these

[0:04:42] Voice 3: beautiful lands and waters of the First Nation thank you thank

[0:04:47] Voice 12: you all right so we have an

[0:04:49] Voice 12: agenda before us and i'll ask if there's any additions or deletions to the agenda

[0:04:58] Voice 12: excellent then we'll adopt the agenda as presented sorry

[0:05:01] Planner Chadwick: uh chair ah yes i just i did i did notice

[0:05:06] Planner Chadwick: that there there's a bit of a so under a local trust committee projects 9.3 appears to be a

[0:05:13] Planner Chadwick: repeat essentially of 9.2 so so

[0:05:18] Voice 12: can you say that again

[0:05:20] Voice 12: 9.3 is 9.2 yeah

[0:05:22] Planner Chadwick: yeah i think 9.3 just looks

[0:05:24] Planner Chadwick: like a holdover from the past the last agenda so we need to remove 9.3 i

[0:05:30] Voice 12: see okay um so we'll have

[0:05:33] Voice 12: to watch out for those holdovers from the past having a little joke here earlier about time

[0:05:40] Voice 12: travels

[0:05:40] Voice 15: okay

[0:05:42] Voice 12: so then we'll just delete that item so then let's adopt the agenda by general consent

[0:05:50] Voice 12: as amended and let us continue on with reports so now we'll go to trustees for your local reports

[0:06:00] Voice 12: and activities that you've been engaged in and Toby can I start with you this time sure

[0:06:05] Voice 3: Sure. Quite a fulsome report. I'll send you the notes, Lisa. So our Visioning 2050 community-hosted

[0:06:14] Voice 3: events, I believe out of 14 community groups, all but two have held their events so far. I could be

[0:06:21] Voice 3: wrong. And I've attended four of them, the Climate 12-12-12 event on February 20th. It was excellent,

[0:06:29] Voice 3: really well attended lots of breakout tables to discuss different areas and um yeah Susan and I

[0:06:36] Voice 3: were very over time it went even it was it was fabulous um the mutual aid group met on February

[0:06:42] Voice 3: 17th um I was actually part of that sort of a mutual aid neighborhood uh work party group and

[0:06:48] Voice 3: they had some really great ideas the Fibershed fashion fiction event on January 27th and the

[0:06:55] Voice 3: the combined GALT, GIMS, GRALS environmental collaborative event was on January 20th.

[0:07:01] Voice 3: So all have had a very good participation and turnout and really different ways of engaging

[0:07:07] Voice 3: with the question of vision and values for our community. So I think this was an excellent

[0:07:12] Voice 3: approach. I know there's two more events, I think February 25th, and the Gabriel Arts Council's

[0:07:21] Voice 3: event is coming up this weekend, I believe.

[0:07:25] Voice 3: I attended the Breaking Bannock Building Bridges

[0:07:29] Voice 3: first speaker event on February 13th, and so that's been sponsored by the Gabriel Arts Council

[0:07:35] Voice 3: with a grant from the Federal Government of Canada. It is a speaker series that's offering

[0:07:44] Voice 3: opportunities to gather knowledge in a space that encourages ongoing respectful dialogue

[0:07:50] Voice 3: dialogue um it's it's so it was started off with a conversation between Catherine Palmer Gordon

[0:07:57] Voice 3: uh an author and lawyer and um the name of member Billy Oakham and council member and it was really

[0:08:06] Voice 3: really interesting very revelatory he spoke um quite frankly about um the name of perspectives

[0:08:14] Voice 3: perspectives on land and their relationship with land and even touched on some future plans

[0:08:19] Voice 3: um it was recorded so it should be online so I encourage everyone to have a listen if you get

[0:08:27] Voice 3: a chance and there will be more speaker series uh more events um some of them food-based uh so

[0:08:32] Voice 3: some feasting coming up for the Isle of the Arts so it's a real culture gathering um um sort of

[0:08:40] Voice 3: series um i visited munch on february 10th uh just two weekends ago i was invited to

[0:08:49] Voice 3: there's sort of been an ongoing conversation about safe boat access

[0:08:53] Voice 3: um and we were invited by a landowner to explore a um a 66 foot wide right of way

[0:09:02] Voice 3: um formerly the bell farm and um it's going to be up for sale and so there's been conversation about

[0:09:09] Voice 3: safe access for boats and the clearing of certain right-of-ways because it's some of them are not

[0:09:18] Voice 3: well accessible they are negotiated but maybe sometimes not publicly accessible so I did have

[0:09:28] Voice 3: a conversation about that visit with our end director Vanessa Craig she's got some really

[0:09:32] Voice 3: good relationships developing with MOTI I'll note that they finally got the 30 kilometer zone

[0:09:39] Voice 3: extended so the playground zone that extends for the village now that was a real long piece

[0:09:46] Voice 3: of advocacy i think thanks to um vanessa craig so i'm going to be leveraging her relationships to

[0:09:52] Voice 3: inquire if moti has any plans to clear or make accesses easier on mud diamond

[0:09:59] Voice 3: um regional planning committee met february 16th we discussed our budget request of trust council

[0:10:06] Voice 3: for thirty thousand dollars to support our housing strategy action plan so there's been a developed

[0:10:13] Voice 3: housing um available suitability analysis and what is it called the toolkit and so now there's

[0:10:21] Voice 3: sort of an action plan with a set of strategies um toward different levels of government in how

[0:10:27] Voice 3: to develop housing that's suitable for the rural gulf islands basically um so we're following on

[0:10:35] Voice 3: on that. I have been closely following the work of Justine Stark in the Capital Regional District.

[0:10:41] Voice 3: She's a former Islands Trust Planner and has a really strong understanding of the unique and

[0:10:47] Voice 3: challenging nature of housing options in the Gulf Islands. So the CRD is developing a rural housing

[0:10:53] Voice 3: program, recognizing that solutions to the housing crisis in CRD's electoral areas need to be tailored

[0:10:59] Voice 3: to the rural context, and speaking specifically of South Ring Island and Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:11:05] Voice 3: So, the project anticipates being funded by the Municipal Regional District Tax Program, so they have a coordinator there, and I've got a link in there, I think this is something we should really follow, because it's basically developed with information that Justine Stark learned during her time at the Island's Trust, and is now advancing in the CRD for the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:11:28] Voice 3: on the housing front the province has expanded secondary suite incentive program

[0:11:34] Voice 3: to include regional districts so i think this was an advocacy position from the islands trust

[0:11:41] Voice 3: please include us so this gets up to forty thousand dollars fifty percent of the cost of

[0:11:48] Voice 3: building a new secondary suite in your home the qualifications those that the homeowner must be

[0:11:55] Voice 3: located on the same property the unit must be rented out at the low market rates set by bc

[0:12:00] Voice 3: housing for at least five years so we qualify that's great news right i think though we have

[0:12:07] Voice 3: allowance for secondary suites and now you can build them with the help of the provincial

[0:12:10] Voice 3: government so um bylaw enforcement uh has been a theme for regional planning and the islands trust

[0:12:17] Voice 3: more generally there have been calls from almost every ltc that i'm a part of and some i hear

[0:12:23] Voice 3: through trust council to evaluate and review the honest trust bylaw enforcement system

[0:12:28] Voice 3: um we received at the honest trust council the ombudsperson's report uh which was a voluntary

[0:12:35] Voice 3: request that the ombudsperson's office reviewing the honest trust bylaw enforcement policies and

[0:12:40] Voice 3: procedures and this was returned to september trust council so in our rpc meeting we discussed

[0:12:47] Voice 3: working with staff on implementing the suggestions it's basically going to work on

[0:12:55] Voice 3: the recommendations through policies practices staff training and communications so that's going

[0:13:01] Voice 3: to be a program that will now roll out probably over the next year or so and we're going to look

[0:13:05] Voice 3: at policy changes and then how does it look on the ground that's probably it yep there you go

[0:13:14] Voice 3: that's my report there's a lot more happening but that's i think what's relevant for gabriella

[0:13:19] Voice 3: thank you and thank you for heading over to mudge island yeah and frank and mary bell's old farm

[0:13:24] Voice 3: is where we used to meet for island's trust meetings at the barns up for sale

[0:13:29] Voice 3: that was why

[0:13:31] Planner Chadwick: it was a discussion

[0:13:31] Voice 3: anyway on their front porch that'd be lovely so um thank you

[0:13:37] Voice 3: I just wanted to mention that we I met Tyler Brown when I was doing office hours on it was

[0:13:45] Voice 3: out there Tuesday this is Thursday and he is the new senior policy advisor for the whole Islands

[0:13:51] Voice 3: Trust he will be working on the Islands Trust policy statement it was just a delight to meet

[0:13:57] Voice 3: him he lives here now he was the board chair for the regional district of Nanaimo so I knew he was

[0:14:03] Voice 3: He's really familiar to me.

[0:14:05] Voice 3: And then I thought, no, he looks way too young to have been our chair.

[0:14:09] Voice 3: Anyway, very glad to have him working on the Islands Trust policy statement

[0:14:13] Voice 3: as a senior policy advisor.

[0:14:16] Voice 3: I think I'll save that one for a conservancy report.

[0:14:21] Voice 3: Toby and I are both on the Financial Planning Committee

[0:14:24] Voice 3: for Islands Trust Council.

[0:14:25] Voice 3: And we've had two productive but fraught,

[0:14:30] Voice 3: well, Chair Luckham is also on the Financial Planning Committee,

[0:14:34] Voice 3: very long meetings, one on January 24th, one yesterday.

[0:14:38] Voice 3: And we hope that we are always working from guidelines that we've discussed

[0:14:43] Voice 3: on urgency, whether we get grant money, whether it meets strategic plan priorities,

[0:14:50] Voice 3: whether it can meet both Islands Trust Conservancy and council priorities,

[0:14:55] Voice 3: and whether it is likely to be adopted by council.

[0:14:58] Voice 3: But we do tend to get herded off in different directions as far as what priorities need to be for the budget for the Islands Trust.

[0:15:09] Voice 3: And we will be having the final Islands Trust Council budget meeting in March.

[0:15:15] Voice 3: The March Council meeting is always basically all about the budget.

[0:15:20] Voice 3: And that will be in Nanaimo on March 12th, 13th, and 14th.

[0:15:25] Voice 3: So pretty easy for Gabriel and people to attend.

[0:15:27] Voice 3: And it's at the conference center downtown.

[0:15:33] Voice 3: Let's see.

[0:15:34] Voice 3: Oh, I attended the Parks and Open Spaces Advisory Committee meeting on February 12th.

[0:15:39] Voice 3: And I noticed that in this week's Sounder, there's a really long report on that because Derek from the Sounder was there as well.

[0:15:46] Voice 3: He's one of the members.

[0:15:48] Voice 3: And mostly it was about soccer and why can't we have a field open during the winter because weather kind of trashes the school field and trashes the Roland McLean field.

[0:15:58] Voice 3: there was lots of talk about um thinking about a brand new multi-use sports field possibly behind

[0:16:07] Voice 3: the helipad where the medical clinic is where cox park comes up anyway an interesting discussion

[0:16:15] Voice 3: the the topography of that area would be ideal actually for drainage there are apparently 70

[0:16:22] Voice 3: children uh registered with the gabriela soccer association and there are a number of adults who

[0:16:27] Voice 3: also love to play soccer so it's a big deal to have a proper field to work on or to play on

[0:16:35] Voice 3: let's see here also oh yes toby's already talked about the 2050 visioning plan uh the other night

[0:16:42] Voice 3: uh which was fabulous and we had past trustees got colburn at hand and so we have a new rallying

[0:16:49] Voice 3: theme 10 page 10 page OCP it's not going to read like a giant um land use bylaw it's going to read

[0:16:59] Voice 3: like an official community plan vision yeah he made a good point yeah

[0:17:02] Voice 3: so that was great to have

[0:17:04] Voice 3: Scott there as well um with

[0:17:08] Voice 12: that since you got that Stephen thank

[0:17:09] Voice 3: you no yeah 10 okay so the

[0:17:13] Voice 3: last thing I'll mention is that I've attended both of William Shulva's Islands Trust Freshwater

[0:17:18] Voice 3: sustainability webinars one on january 24th and one on february whatever it was february

[0:17:27] Voice 3: well they were excellent they were just excellent um william shallow has a very interesting way of

[0:17:36] Voice 3: presenting information very slow and measured but that's a nice change from the way we often race

[0:17:45] Voice 3: through our reports

[0:17:46] Voice 15: and

[0:17:47] Voice 3: um the part so just really briefly it's all based it's all part of the

[0:17:52] Voice 3: islands trust stewardship education program which i think is wonderful and which yesterday at our

[0:17:58] Voice 3: budget meeting we tried desperately to defend um because if we didn't have that um education

[0:18:06] Voice 3: program we would not be doing these webinars and there's and the first one had 101 participants

[0:18:11] Voice 3: participants, which I thought was amazing. Yeah. So it's all based on the Island's Trust

[0:18:16] Voice 3: Freshwater Sustainability Strategy, the purpose of which is to protect ecosystems and watersheds

[0:18:23] Voice 3: and groundwater in the Island's Trust area, to preserve the quality of drinking water,

[0:18:28] Voice 3: to collaborate with First Nations, to understand cultural and spiritual values of water.

[0:18:33] Voice 3: And it was so interesting, the first session, William Schoelbach noted the enormous difference

[0:18:38] Voice 3: between scientific practices and indigenous ways of knowing about water and he called it a very

[0:18:46] Voice 3: humbling learning experience and he also recommended and so do I the film that's on

[0:18:52] Voice 3: the Islands Trust website called What the Water Tells Us. William Shelva also talked in both

[0:18:59] Voice 3: sessions about water balance the cumulative effects of human impacts and climate on water

[0:19:07] Voice 3: resources and that includes well density which came up and the one just I attended a few days

[0:19:15] Voice 3: ago well density in the Gulf Islands is very high and that's something we always have to think about

[0:19:22] Voice 3: so the second session focused on aquifers groundwater recharge and discharge and saltwater

[0:19:30] Voice 3: intrusion and I won't go into the details they've all been recorded they're really really good

[0:19:36] Voice 3: but i love i love one thing that william said at the second one he said every well has its own

[0:19:42] Voice 3: story to tell and i also really really appreciate that he said that gabriela is primed for the water

[0:19:51] Voice 3: balance methodology and that is supposed to be part of our official community plan

[0:19:58] Voice 3: without that water balance work we really cannot go ahead with planning for any kind of human

[0:20:05] Voice 3: human use or density or agricultural use or anything we have to have that work um and he

[0:20:11] Voice 3: said it's prime because of the amazing work that's already been done by the regional district and

[0:20:16] Voice 3: even by gabriel stream keepers um so that was really encouraging to hear that from him so I'll

[0:20:24] Voice 3: leave it at that and that's it for my report thank

[0:20:28] Voice 12: you very much um I'm going to be very brief um

[0:20:32] Voice 12: Certainly, we're getting ready for Council, as has been mentioned, for the budget cycle

[0:20:36] Voice 12: Council in Imo.

[0:20:39] Voice 12: And indeed, the Financial Planning Committee has taken all of the requests and consolidated

[0:20:45] Voice 12: it into a budget that they're recommending.

[0:20:47] Voice 12: However, at the end of the day, it all gets played out at Council about what Islands want

[0:20:52] Voice 12: to lobby for what budget items get retained.

[0:20:56] Voice 12: So we'll see how that all unfolds.

[0:20:59] Voice 12: There's also some learning opportunities.

[0:21:00] Voice 12: We're going to do some strategic planning work, talking about the corporate plan and

[0:21:04] Voice 12: some training, chair development training for everybody and meeting procedures and development

[0:21:12] Voice 12: so that we can work more collegially together.

[0:21:17] Voice 12: And yeah, lots of committee meetings.

[0:21:20] Voice 12: I'll mention that our CEO, Russ Hotzenpiller, has decided it's time to retire.

[0:21:25] Voice 12: And so we've entered into a process to rehire a new CEO for the organization, which is the

[0:21:30] Voice 12: big job and a big challenge with the deadline and so that work is proceeding and participating in

[0:21:37] Voice 12: that as the other members are um and so that's uh good work um that's it for me anything else

[0:21:46] Voice 12: to report um electoral area directors the next section our agenda if you have a report from

[0:21:51] Voice 12: january the 18th it says here um and that's in the agenda package i don't see her online here today

[0:21:59] Voice 12: um and so um uh thanks to the director for her work on behalf of the gabrielle community chair

[0:22:08] Voice 3: yes um i just i'm wondering if this report dated january 18th was already in our last

[0:22:14] Voice 3: i think it

[0:22:15] Voice 12: was yeah yeah

[0:22:16] Voice 3: okay yeah just checking

[0:22:18] Voice 12: but it's not it's there today and so if you

[0:22:20] Voice 12: haven't read it it's there to read and there's no doubt that um vanessa will join us in the future

[0:22:26] Voice 12: sure she's been a terrific participant in our meeting.

[0:22:30] Voice 5: Well, I could just add that I think the written report wasn't

[0:22:33] Voice 5: in the agenda in January, but she was here to present that

[0:22:36] Voice 5: report.

[0:22:37] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:22:42] Voice 12: Perfect. And we have a standing place here for reports from

[0:22:46] Voice 12: nations and don't have anything on our agenda today, but grateful

[0:22:50] Voice 12: for the opportunity to work with nations.

[0:22:52] Voice 12: nations. So this is now we get to the public comment period. If there's anybody in the audience here or online, I don't see any members of the public online at the moment.

[0:23:07] Voice 12: But if you'd like to address the local trust committee about any local topics or issues, this is the moment to speak to the local trust committee. If you're an applicant, we don't have any application for this agenda.

[0:23:21] Voice 12: So, um, that's fine. So is there anybody wishes to address the local trust in the back there for people? So please go ahead.

[0:23:33] Voice 3: Uh, so I'm an active veteran two years and I have a question about the community information meetings or the community meetings. This is page 43 and 44 in your agenda.

[0:23:48] Voice 3: Amanda, and I may just be, just the precise wording may be what I'm missing here.

[0:23:57] Voice 3: Are these community meetings that you're planning to schedule, they're called community information

[0:24:05] Voice 3: meetings, which I thought I saw written somewhere, but in this list it's community meeting, because

[0:24:11] Voice 3: in my experience with community information meetings, formal ones, it's a time to present

[0:24:17] Voice 3: present information, and entertain questions of clarification, but not a time for people

[0:24:25] Voice 3: to offer their opinions or their ideas.

[0:24:28] Voice 3: So I just was wondering, are these community meetings, and there's four of them, well,

[0:24:33] Voice 3: there's two of them scheduled this year and two next year, are these okay, will these

[0:24:39] Voice 3: be occasions for, to include the opinions and a further opportunity to include opinions

[0:24:46] Voice 3: or ideas for is it going to be the the other kind the community information meeting that i understand

[0:24:52] Voice 3: is part of the formal process um

[0:24:55] Voice 12: thank you because i'm actually going to provide a bit of an answer

[0:24:58] Voice 12: and then as trustees want to say something that'd be terrific but this document is from narissa and

[0:25:03] Voice 12: maybe i'll get her to capture what she perceives as being the process but you've highlighted a

[0:25:09] Voice 12: really important point which is a good thing to acknowledge that the names of the meetings and

[0:25:15] Voice 12: the process of meetings often gets blurred especially when we call something a community

[0:25:20] Voice 12: meeting and as you said a community information meeting and of course public hearing and those

[0:25:24] Voice 12: are the pieces involved in the legislative process so community information meeting typically means

[0:25:29] Voice 12: as we've indicated a sharing of intent opportunity for questions and clarity so you know what it is

[0:25:36] Voice 12: that a bylaw is planning to do and indeed public hearing is an opportunity for you to share with us

[0:25:44] Voice 12: what you think about the bylaw, whether you approve or disagree of it or

[0:25:47] Voice 12: otherwise. Community meetings often are more

[0:25:52] Voice 12: embracing of conversations, although we

[0:25:55] Voice 12: subscribe to the I2AP process of consulting

[0:25:59] Voice 12: and so there's different levels and we have that identified at a certain level

[0:26:03] Voice 12: for this process. And so I think

[0:26:07] Voice 12: there will be more opportunity for sharing, but also sharing through your advisory

[0:26:11] Voice 12: planning commissions and those bodies that are stick handling that and that information will

[0:26:16] Voice 12: flow to us from those bodies so i'll just ask the maybe i'll just go to the rest of the chat

[0:26:23] Voice 12: because the author of this document characterized how he's this he's been unfolded and then provide

[0:26:29] Voice 12: the opportunity for the trustees to make remarks about what their expectations would be with

[0:26:33] Voice 12: respect to that dialogue yeah thank

[0:26:37] Planner Chadwick: you trey luckham i i think you explained it very well um

[0:26:39] Planner Chadwick: the difference there between community information meeting, public hearing.

[0:26:48] Planner Chadwick: So community information meeting is usually related specifically to applications

[0:26:53] Planner Chadwick: or when there are actual bylaws, draft bylaws to be discussed.

[0:27:00] Planner Chadwick: So that is community information meetings are an opportunity essentially

[0:27:04] Planner Chadwick: for the public to comment on something that's already in process,

[0:27:08] Planner Chadwick: process, like actual bylaws or applications that are in process. Community meetings are

[0:27:13] Planner Chadwick: more open. And so in this case, you know, we're, we are going, we're trying to facilitate

[0:27:19] Planner Chadwick: a quite an open community engagement process. So these, the first one, you know, I'll be

[0:27:25] Planner Chadwick: able to get into a little bit more detail when we get to this point in the program,

[0:27:30] Planner Chadwick: but it's really to bring together, the first one will be to identify information we've

[0:27:35] Planner Chadwick: already heard and and have some more conversation with the community and there are uh you know the

[0:27:40] Planner Chadwick: three others that are anticipated to be um scheduled in the next year and those um you

[0:27:47] Planner Chadwick: know it's it's they're sort of um before uh their opportunities to read to have some conversations

[0:27:55] Planner Chadwick: about what maybe uh what priorities are and and uh questions about as we as we move further into

[0:28:05] Planner Chadwick: to the process there'll be uh you know draft bylaw language potentially that that may uh have

[0:28:10] Planner Chadwick: some conversation around so we've yet to really define very specifically what the those uh following

[0:28:17] Planner Chadwick: three will be but we you know that the uh the schedule identifies you know a sense of what

[0:28:24] Planner Chadwick: we're thinking at this point in time and i mean i would say we've been pretty good in the first

[0:28:29] Planner Chadwick: phase at adhering to timelines and such so i anticipate it'll be similar for the next phase

[0:28:37] Voice 3: so i have a question um planner chadwick and this probably relates to nancy heatherington

[0:28:44] Voice 3: pierce's question too there's a big difference between a community information meeting

[0:28:50] Voice 3: and and just a community meeting and it's not clear in this chart whether it the only one that

[0:28:58] Voice 3: that it could be clear is community meeting number two because one of the bullets at the bottom says

[0:29:04] Voice 3: world cafe on priority areas meaning oh yes the audience is participating in this one whereas the

[0:29:11] Voice 3: other ones number three and number four and number one and then number one uh it really looks more

[0:29:19] Voice 3: like an information meeting where where information is presented and that's fine and we just go away

[0:29:25] Voice 3: with that so that it really needs to be clarified yeah

[0:29:29] Planner Chadwick: yeah i hear you um and and i think we

[0:29:32] Planner Chadwick: We, they're in there because we want to see how the process moves forward.

[0:29:38] Planner Chadwick: The nature of the meeting will reveal itself as we move forward.

[0:29:42] Planner Chadwick: So really what's in there right now are ideas.

[0:29:45] Planner Chadwick: And you'll see when we get to this part in the program, you know, I can tell you where we're at in the process.

[0:29:51] Planner Chadwick: And as we move forward, like, you know, a world, it may or may not be a World Cafe.

[0:29:56] Planner Chadwick: These are suggestions, essentially.

[0:29:58] Planner Chadwick: So it's, this is just a draft.

[0:30:00] Planner Chadwick: draft um sense of timing and and and what we're hoping we are potentially hoping for it may be

[0:30:06] Planner Chadwick: that we have more meetings um depending on how the process moves um so um that's why we've sort of

[0:30:14] Planner Chadwick: you know been fairly like i've just used the word community meeting because again community

[0:30:18] Planner Chadwick: information has a meeting has a very specific um a very specific um purpose yeah

[0:30:27] Voice 12: so i would

[0:30:28] Voice 12: say let's save the conversation about the staff report which we're going to see later and this

[0:30:33] Voice 12: plan and the

[0:30:34] Voice 12: shape of it until later but i think hopefully we've answered the question which was

[0:30:40] Voice 12: what's the difference between a community meeting and a community information meeting and as uh

[0:30:43] Voice 12: as a plan of traffic has just very clearly stated community information meeting is very specific

[0:30:50] Voice 12: related to bylaws community meetings are more broader in scope and context do you have anything

[0:30:56] Voice 12: to add to that, Toby? No. Perfect. Okay. So hopefully that helped. Is there another question

[0:31:02] Voice 12: there in the back row? Sure. Yeah. Oh, sure. Go ahead.

[0:31:06] Voice 13: I'm E.J. Hurst. I live on Gabriel

[0:31:08] Voice 13: for 26 years. And we were suggested we should come and talk about the road clearing that

[0:31:15] Voice 13: recently done this winter by Moody. So I'm not opposed to road clearing. I understand

[0:31:21] Voice 13: that sometimes intersectional things is required for safety,

[0:31:24] Voice 13: what I'm objecting to is how it was done.

[0:31:27] Voice 13: So this current machine, it doesn't actually trim,

[0:31:31] Voice 13: it twists and shreds.

[0:31:33] Voice 13: So like limbs the size of my arm are broken

[0:31:36] Voice 13: and split right down, even below the soil.

[0:31:38] Voice 15: And

[0:31:39] Voice 13: this is done to our native trees,

[0:31:41] Voice 13: like cascara, bitter cherry, ocean spray.

[0:31:44] Voice 13: And I really

[0:31:45] Voice 13: appreciated your introduction, Susan,

[0:31:47] Voice 13: because I think it's extremely disrespectful

[0:31:50] Voice 13: respectful to these native plants which are unique and special to our island it looks awful but that's

[0:31:56] Voice 13: not my main concern my main concern is that the native plants are damaged the water can get in

[0:32:01] Voice 13: the block can start they can't recover from that sort of treatment i went for days with my clippers

[0:32:07] Voice 13: and chainsaws and put clean cuts so that the trees could heal themselves um so the other thing that

[0:32:14] Voice 13: happened was I'm a member of the nature stewards program and I have a sign I think you've all seen

[0:32:20] Voice 13: the pictures I have a sign in front of my house that says I'm part of this program behind the

[0:32:26] Voice 13: sign had a beautiful native plant an ocean spray the mower came along went over my sign and mowed

[0:32:32] Voice 13: it look there's nothing

[0:32:33] Voice 13: so we have oh there we go yeah and there's a second picture that goes with

[0:32:40] Voice 13: that that runs along the road that shows a fir tree practically touching the edge of the road

[0:32:46] Voice 13: in the line of sight where the tractor would go that it wasn't touched and when I asked

[0:32:50] Voice 13: about that they said well the mower can't mow that kind of tree so basically it can come down

[0:32:55] Voice 13: from the top and the

[0:32:57] Voice 13: trees that it can come down on the top from are those those bushes those

[0:33:01] Voice 13: cherries those kind of things like that the other thing it doesn't do well is mow broom

[0:33:05] Voice 13: So it's destroying the data plant and then it, because the broom is twisty, so it just

[0:33:09] Voice 13: gets twisted up and then it keeps growing.

[0:33:11] Voice 15: So

[0:33:11] Voice 13: it's opening it up, it's letting the broom take over.

[0:33:14] Voice 13: So I have a few requests.

[0:33:18] Voice 13: My first request is that we don't use that machine anymore.

[0:33:21] Voice 13: I would prefer that we had a different method.

[0:33:23] Voice 13: One year someone went around on a little trick and identified areas that needed trimming.

[0:33:28] Voice 13: I thought that was appropriate.

[0:33:29] Voice 13: I really think the machine is awful.

[0:33:32] Voice 13: I don't think it is respectful.

[0:33:34] Voice 13: I think it destroys our plants.

[0:33:36] Voice 13: I understand things like contracts and all of that sort of thing.

[0:33:40] Voice 13: So let's say we can't get rid of this regime.

[0:33:41] Voice 13: We're trying to do it for however many years, whatever.

[0:33:43] Voice 13: I would really like the driver to have some education,

[0:33:47] Voice 13: and I would like him to have maybe a GPS map.

[0:33:51] Voice 13: So sure, go ahead and destroy the invasive plants.

[0:33:54] Voice 13: Go ahead and cut back at the intersections.

[0:33:56] Voice 13: We understand.

[0:33:56] Voice 13: We don't want to run into each other.

[0:33:58] Voice 13: But I would like him to have basic ecological training

[0:34:02] Voice 13: so he actually knows what he's mowing.

[0:34:03] Voice 15: and

[0:34:04] Voice 13: can tell the difference between an invasive cv than a native plant i would like him to have

[0:34:09] Voice 13: a session with the nature

[0:34:10] Voice 12: actually you know i'm gonna interrupt you because i

[0:34:13] Voice 13: think we should be

[0:34:13] Voice 12: a bit more respectful because we actually don't know anything about the driver of the vehicle

[0:34:16] Voice 12: he might have that education but it's working to a contract right okay right so let's let's

[0:34:22] Voice 12: not talk about people let's talk about the issue okay

[0:34:25] Voice 7: so

[0:34:27] Voice 12: we'd like modi

[0:34:29] Voice 7: to be more sensitive

[0:34:30] Voice 12: We'd like Modi to be more sensitive. I agree with you. I've seen the same destruction on other islands, and there needs to be a better way.

[0:34:39] Voice 13: Yeah, okay, well, the contract needs to be changed to include education for the driver about ecology, so that as the driver is going on the road, they can see what they're doing.

[0:34:51] Voice 13: So they understand this is this, that's that, the contract

[0:34:55] Voice 12: is this, they don't know this.

[0:34:56] Voice 12: sorry what i'm saying is the driver may be aware we don't know anything about the driver

[0:35:00] Voice 12: no

[0:35:00] Voice 13: but if we put it in the contract then oh great he's already aware it's a requirement of the

[0:35:06] Voice 13: person driving the machine that they know what they're doing or that

[0:35:10] Voice 7: they're able to identify

[0:35:11] Voice 13: the plants and if they already have that that's fabulous so and if that you know what we don't

[0:35:18] Voice 13: know so we can find out

[0:35:19] Voice 15: and

[0:35:22] Voice 13: it should be in the contract so that the contract is clear no you

[0:35:25] Voice 13: don't mow everything. You mow here, you mow there, we have a GPS map for you and you can just follow

[0:35:30] Voice 13: the map and these things are protected. So I would like to see that. I would like a meeting with

[0:35:38] Voice 13: Modi and the Nature Stewards so they can explain what they're doing, so that I would suggest that

[0:35:44] Voice 13: properties that are showing that signs may not like to have their verges completely destroyed.

[0:35:51] Voice 13: I'd like to make the point that the verges are our commons.

[0:35:54] Voice 13: So they're actually managed for us.

[0:35:57] Voice 13: So we should have a say, we don't like how they're being managed.

[0:36:01] Voice 13: We have a right to say this is not acceptable.

[0:36:05] Voice 13: And if you could put a notice, public notice to landholders, that

[0:36:32] Voice 7: we can trim our own plants.

[0:36:35] Voice 13: So you can see this has affected me deeply, every time I go for a walk, it affects me.

[0:36:42] Voice 13: and i think that we need to be more respectful of where we live and visitors to our island need to

[0:36:50] Voice 13: see that we're more respectful of where we live and so if it was published uh what is what is that

[0:36:57] Voice 13: actually required how big the plants need to be then we can do that work ourselves and i also

[0:37:04] Voice 13: would like to notice of when the pruning is going to happen so that we can take action to protect

[0:37:08] Voice 13: valuable points.

[0:37:12] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[0:37:13] Voice 13: And I

[0:37:14] Voice 12: certainly appreciate the message you brought

[0:37:16] Voice 12: to it.

[0:37:17] Voice 7: Yeah, very much.

[0:37:21] Voice 12: Anybody else have something to add? Again, in the background,

[0:37:24] Voice 12: then I'll come to you.

[0:37:28] Voice 4: I'm Bob Boston. I've lived on Gabriola for 33 years, and this is the first

[0:37:34] Voice 4: time I've ever gone to a trust meeting, which means I haven't complained for all these years.

[0:37:41] Voice 15: But I'm

[0:37:42] Voice 4: just publishing on a regular basis.

[0:37:45] Voice 4: It's a sort of national pastime, Gabriel. I was moved and I think you said a lot and I agree with it.

[0:37:58] Voice 4: I just want to add a couple of things that haven't been said.

[0:38:03] Voice 4: Specifically, one of the things I didn't think about at the beginning, I mean, I was horrified

[0:38:09] Voice 4: at the destructiveness of this process because, as I say, I've been here for over 30 years,

[0:38:18] Voice 4: it's clearing every year, and it's okay.

[0:38:21] Voice 4: I've always felt a little sad because we lose our daisies partway through their growth,

[0:38:28] Voice 4: but they come back, you know, but this year it's something else. And my fear and my reason for

[0:38:37] Voice 4: coming forward is I don't want it to happen again. I mean, this year it happened. I didn't

[0:38:44] Voice 4: think about this as I was looking around the discussion initially, but I've become more and

[0:38:50] Voice 4: more aware of the what are effectively sharp stakes sticking up in the verges and now at the

[0:38:59] Voice 4: moment you can see them but the undergrowth is going to come back up and those stakes are going

[0:39:06] Voice 4: to stay there. So if there's a critter running through I mean I think probably they too can see

[0:39:14] Voice 4: them now, but they won't be visible. If a bicyclist falls off his bike,

[0:39:20] Voice 4: it's a real issue and I don't know how that was missed. The other thing I want to mention

[0:39:29] Voice 4: is I suppose stewarding the sustainable use of island resources is the blackberries.

[0:39:36] Voice 4: uh if someone had had set up to eradicate blackberries they could not have done a better

[0:39:47] Voice 4: job in our neighborhood and every patch uh where there there are blackberries that people have been

[0:39:54] Voice 4: eating for years you know and thimbleberries as well uh i mean they they were just decimated

[0:40:01] Voice 4: Just wrecked. And again, I mean, they're blackberries. Blackberries grow back pretty quickly. But I don't know with this degree of destruction how quickly they'll grow back and if they do it again next year.

[0:40:19] Voice 4: And I guess the main thing I just want to say is, you know, it wasn't broken.

[0:40:25] Voice 4: broken there's been no problem we haven't had troubles with visibility at the corners and we

[0:40:33] Voice 4: seem to be dealt with uh the vines haven't gone up and pulled down the hydro lines uh there was

[0:40:40] Voice 4: nothing broken um and uh uh until now um I'll just hit I'm seeing conclusion that I think it's very

[0:40:50] Voice 4: very appropriate for the trust to represent us on represent Islanders who are concerned about this

[0:40:57] Voice 4: for precisely the three reasons you have up there protecting our ecosystems which DJ's talked about

[0:41:04] Voice 4: um sustaining the island character and it's ugly and awful at this point and still reading the

[0:41:12] Voice 4: resources so uh my i i i don't have concrete suggestions although i thought these were

[0:41:18] Voice 4: were really good but i really think that could be taken up with with the contractors whoever

[0:41:27] Voice 4: uh sets the policy because maybe there's a different policy is why this has happened but

[0:41:34] Voice 4: but also with Doug Rutley and Vanessa.

[0:41:36] Voice 4: I think it's a big deal

[0:41:38] Voice 4: and should be taken up by the trust.

[0:41:43] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:41:44] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:41:46] Voice 2: Hey, I'll go to one more speaker.

[0:41:49] Voice 2: Good morning.

[0:41:50] Voice 2: My name is Rich Rucks.

[0:41:52] Voice 2: I'm a resident on Lodge Island.

[0:41:54] Voice 2: I've been there for 35 years.

[0:41:58] Voice 2: Like Bob Bozen here,

[0:42:00] Voice 2: never had the need or the occasion

[0:42:02] Voice 2: to speak before the trust.

[0:42:05] Voice 2: you know um but uh anyways uh over the last 24 months there's uh been a number of concerns

[0:42:16] Voice 2: you know with uh throughout community and a lot of the people on the island that through myself

[0:42:24] Voice 2: and others and it's probably getting to a point where um the community has some concerns

[0:42:34] Voice 2: concerns relative to some access issues and by-law issues, so on and so forth.

[0:42:42] Voice 2: So I took it upon myself to reach out to Trustee Elliott and discuss what some of those concerns

[0:42:54] Voice 2: may be, and there was a discussion that maybe a community meeting should be done to get

[0:43:07] Voice 2: a sense from the community what is really important to the community as far as the bylaws

[0:43:14] Voice 2: and other things and so that the trust can get a sense of you know what what

[0:43:23] Voice 2: our values are and maybe we can tune or tweak some of our concerns through the

[0:43:32] Voice 2: processes and so I've reached out to our local Island Citizens Society the MEC

[0:43:41] Voice 2: society um and we have a an ad hoc fireball volunteer fireball and they've agreed to

[0:43:49] Voice 2: to make that facility available um to potentially have representatives of the trust come over

[0:43:56] Voice 2: and and meet with us to to get a feel for what we're thinking now um and talking to

[0:44:05] Voice 2: uh trustee excuse me elliot um we were thinking maybe excuse me uh in the spring that we could

[0:44:18] Voice 2: facilitate that um and in the meantime we were considering maybe getting the island together as

[0:44:27] Voice 2: a group to sort of gel how we're thinking and what really is important so that we just uh

[0:44:36] Voice 2: So that the trust and everything, everyone doesn't walk into a big meeting where there's all sorts of stuff happening.

[0:44:46] Voice 2: So, what we were thinking is that perhaps the Mudge Island citizens get together and we have some ad hoc meetings prior to so that we can present our concerns in a more formal process with the trustees.

[0:45:08] Voice 2: So that's what we're sort of thinking about, and I see Toby Elliott has got that earmarked as item 11.2 in new business, and we're just hoping that the trust can accommodate and be prepared to come over and maybe hear us out.

[0:45:37] Voice 2: perfect love to

[0:45:38] Voice 7: looking

[0:45:40] Voice 4: forward to it yeah

[0:45:41] Voice 12: thank you okay thank you anybody else

[0:45:48] Voice 12: sorry

[0:45:49] Voice 8: um hi my name is laura egan i also live on mudge island and i'm happy that i have a chance to

[0:45:56] Voice 8: add uh you know my voice as well um i want to speak to two topics that are very related and

[0:46:04] Voice 8: very much related to what rich has um shared so um two things are happening and have been happening

[0:46:10] Voice 8: on much and uh one of them is uh that i would consider that we're at a crisis level with water

[0:46:18] Voice 8: access shoreline access right um if you look at the uh survey data that came out of the open spaces

[0:46:25] Voice 8: and recreational survey um the top issue with access to the waterfront um not just for much

[0:46:32] Voice 8: but on Gabriela, but especially on Munch, right? So I think that any information or support that

[0:46:41] Voice 8: we can have in terms of helping folks get to the waterfront. And what I mean by that is, you know,

[0:46:49] Voice 8: we have many different ways of using boats. Some of us anchor out, some of us have a rowboat,

[0:46:53] Voice 8: some of us have a kayak, some of us have a membership at the marina on Munch. I don't

[0:46:59] Voice 8: know if you know that in order to have a slip at that marina, you now have to pay upwards of $60,000

[0:47:09] Voice 8: in order to join as a lifetime member. That price is based on market value. People can sell it for

[0:47:18] Voice 8: what somebody will pay to buy it. The going price is $60,000. Imagine if in order to use the ferry,

[0:47:24] Voice 8: you had to pay $60,000 membership so that tells you how desperate folks on much are for safe

[0:47:32] Voice 8: access to their boats not everybody has a public dock not everybody has waterfront and those that

[0:47:39] Voice 8: have waterfront it's not always safe right it can be a cliff 100 feet 200 feet right so um we do

[0:47:47] Voice 8: have some public accesses we appreciate those we are trying to use those safely many of them are

[0:47:52] Voice 8: are not safe so please consider that much is desperate for um support in maintaining our

[0:48:01] Voice 8: access to the waterfront for sure we do have some popular spots where we put in our boats but the

[0:48:07] Voice 8: congestion is things are changing we know they're changing we're going to try to maintain those

[0:48:12] Voice 8: accesses and improve them so i wanted to mention that and secondly i wanted to bring up um a general

[0:48:19] Voice 8: community concern for how bylaw enforcement is happening you know this it's been going on a long

[0:48:24] Voice 8: time i'll just share my perspective as a member of the community we know that many many many

[0:48:31] Voice 8: infractions or bylaw i forget what they're called uh i don't know uh fines have been issued

[0:48:39] Voice 8: because as a community we're friends and neighbors and because it's a sensitive topic

[0:48:44] Voice 8: the information is not being shared i don't know who's being fined for what and they don't

[0:48:51] Voice 8: necessarily want to tell me and i understand that however it's creating a um a sense of fear in the

[0:48:59] Voice 8: community it's uh you know there's shame around it right i i don't know who got fined for what

[0:49:06] Voice 8: and i don't know when i'm gonna get fined i

[0:49:08] Voice 8: could read the bible all day long and still not know if

[0:49:12] Voice 8: if my pathway is one foot too wide

[0:49:15] Voice 8: or if I put something in the wrong spot.

[0:49:20] Voice 8: So long story short, I will get to an end here.

[0:49:23] Voice 8: I just wanted to know whether as part of your revisiting

[0:49:27] Voice 8: the policies and procedures for bylaw enforcement,

[0:49:30] Voice 8: if you could consider finding a way to communicate with us

[0:49:34] Voice 8: and we'd love this sooner rather than later.

[0:49:36] Voice 8: I'll just put my best case scenario out there.

[0:49:39] Voice 8: I would love a summary of the last three years of bylaw non-compliance on Mudge so that we can share with the community and learn without names, places, addresses.

[0:49:51] Voice 8: I don't need any personal identifying information, but I would love to be informed so that the fear can be replaced with knowledge.

[0:50:01] Voice 8: What types of non-compliance is happening?

[0:50:05] Voice 8: Is it 20 of these? And if so, what are they? So that we can simply comply and know what not to build here or there, or know that these issues are so serious that we need to pay better attention to them.

[0:50:24] Voice 8: Thank you so much for listening.

[0:50:26] Voice 8: Thank you

[0:50:26] Voice 12: for raising those points. You got my interest in the public access to bylaw information.

[0:50:34] Voice 12: And although we do collect data and that is publicly available, it may be that it doesn't go down to the detail of much that it could or should.

[0:50:44] Voice 12: And so that's definitely something for us to consider.

[0:50:46] Voice 12: but i'll say to my colleagues as we're going into a budget cycle and financial planning

[0:50:51] Voice 12: one of the things that the portal for bylaw enforcement that is under debate

[0:50:56] Voice 12: would offer is that window into because it's public information

[0:51:00] Voice 3: i thought about that all day

[0:51:02] Voice 3: yesterday looking at my my giland file yeah

[0:51:05] Voice 12: so uh for consideration so whether or not we would

[0:51:08] Voice 12: include that or not i think it actually has ended up being included yeah so

[0:51:12] Voice 3: we're updating our

[0:51:13] Voice 3: mapping software and there's a bylaw portal that was not approved last year it's quite a high-tech

[0:51:18] Voice 3: item but it's a companion to the new land use planning software that we're using and it would

[0:51:26] Voice 3: allow anyone to see what what tickets are open and what what the steps of enforcement are being

[0:51:33] Voice 3: taken and so it is a transparency method that is a companion software it's it's quite a hundred

[0:51:41] Voice 3: hundred thousand dollars so that's why it yeah these things are always weighed out at budget

[0:51:46] Voice 3: time can we afford but we'll be left behind if we don't do that

[0:51:50] Voice 12: so yeah so thank you for your

[0:51:52] Voice 12: message we'd love to invite you to your community yeah so let's figure out how to make that happen

[0:51:56] Voice 12: and i

[0:51:57] Voice 12: just have a quick

[0:51:58] Voice 3: question um uh for laura uh because i haven't been to much for a long time

[0:52:04] Voice 3: and the last time i went i think i just went to frank and mary bell's place directly there

[0:52:09] Voice 3: are why are the public accesses not safe? Are they just too crowded or are they just have not

[0:52:17] Voice 3: been maintained so that they're not safe anymore? Good question. It's

[0:52:21] Voice 8: the geography, right? It's

[0:52:25] Voice 8: essentially, well, you could look at any public access on Gabriela that hasn't, that's not a park,

[0:52:30] Voice 8: right? And just saying, oh yeah, walk right there and go down into the water. It can be a 30 foot

[0:52:38] Voice 8: drop on slippery seaweed covered rocks and people are using those you will see ropes at public

[0:52:44] Voice 8: accesses where people are you know walking um down um i say safe because i think of you know

[0:52:52] Voice 8: the human risk factor the injury there have been injuries of course using these public accesses

[0:52:58] Voice 8: just imagine that out of all of the we do have 27 on the map right many of them are roads to a cliff

[0:53:05] Voice 8: but there are probably two of them that are walk on like no obstacle a beach the rest are um rocks

[0:53:15] Voice 8: and uh and yeah and yet they're still being used by folks who are using them to

[0:53:21] Voice 3: get to their boats

[0:53:21] Voice 3: and can you speak about steep beach and what Moti did to make that safe yeah it's a it's an

[0:53:27] Voice 3: absolute disaster it never ever should they literally dumped a load of gravel down making

[0:53:33] Voice 3: you know what had been a quite a steep incline a slidey steep incline and people have to traverse

[0:53:40] Voice 3: and cross over private well they can't cross the private property line anymore

[0:53:45] Voice 3: these slippery rocks to get down to steep beach it was and it was a motif project so like that's

[0:53:51] Voice 3: where we need to work on our advocacy and say this is not acceptable the residents of mudge

[0:53:56] Voice 3: absolutely deserve safe boat access so i really understand because i used to have to ferry my

[0:54:03] Voice 3: children back and forth in bamfield from the east

[0:54:06] Voice 3: to the west but it was safe so i could get them in

[0:54:09] Voice 3: the boat safely transfer them so yeah i again thanks for coming and speaking today thank you

[0:54:16] Voice 12: all those water accesses are legacy of very poor some of you yeah it's a common thread

[0:54:29] Voice 12: Okay. Anybody else wish to address the local trust community today?

[0:54:33] Voice 6: I know we're very anxious to get moving here. Unfortunately, unlike others who have been here the first time, I've been here too many times.

[0:54:42] Voice 6: I have to say, first of all, that the Conventional Plans just want to let you know that my wife and I have worked for a few decades,

[0:54:54] Voice 6: with the Indigenous knowledge keepers with respect to their knowledge of specific plants and medicine.

[0:55:03] Voice 6: Dr. Young was one of our neighbours at the Legends, was an anthropologist,

[0:55:09] Voice 6: has spent his life working with Indigenous knowledge keepers and has written several books

[0:55:14] Voice 6: about the local plants and medicines here.

[0:55:16] Voice 6: here, as has Arthur Charlie from Cowick as a book that I think is being sold here in

[0:55:24] Voice 6: the museum.

[0:55:25] Voice 6: There's some tremendous insights into local plants and medicine to Charlie.

[0:55:30] Voice 6: And we also participated and encouraged some work with Dr. Young and a native Cree from

[0:55:40] Voice 6: Northern Alberta, a civilian who is a medicine bundle carrier and does healing work all the

[0:55:47] Voice 6: like in Canada. We were engaged in a seminar at the University of Alberta Medical School

[0:55:56] Voice 6: 15 years ago that was devoted to the protection of traditional knowledge, in particular plants

[0:56:02] Voice 6: and medicines. And the knowledge that we gained there was just incredibly powerful.

[0:56:08] Voice 6: So I think just to acknowledge Mishima's work, Harvard Charlie's work, which I think is in our

[0:56:15] Voice 6: local bookstores and uh that of dr young who was a local resident until a year or so ago

[0:56:21] Voice 6: who's worked at identifying indigenous plants on this island uh and has also studied and

[0:56:27] Voice 6: photographed all of the plants in the medicine bundle in the creepers nation uh so uh just to

[0:56:35] Voice 6: confident what they've raised too i think these plants are incredibly important and that being

[0:56:41] Voice 6: being said, I was incredibly disappointed that our DP application has been deferred

[0:56:49] Voice 6: again. And it has been 10 months since we initially made the application for the DP.

[0:56:57] Voice 6: It's been five months since it was referred to the Sonoma First Nation. We've not heard

[0:57:03] Voice 6: a word from the First Nation. And it's also a matter of being dealt with by MOTI in terms

[0:57:08] Voice 6: and their consultation with the First Nations that we're engaged with.

[0:57:12] Voice 6: And we haven't heard one word from the First Nation

[0:57:15] Voice 6: about what concerns they have about the DP specifically.

[0:57:21] Voice 6: So I think I just want to re-emphasize that the DP that we're applying for

[0:57:27] Voice 6: is to remove the trees from a very small percentage of the state blocks

[0:57:34] Voice 6: that are over 80%, probably represents less than 5% of the blocks.

[0:57:39] Voice 6: and in fact in those steep left areas i was i've been walking them in the last few days

[0:57:46] Voice 6: i'm not sure there's any trees on those steep blocks that have to be removed we won't know

[0:57:51] Voice 6: until we actually get up and look if there's a view corridor or when we get some advice on the

[0:57:56] Voice 6: fire smarting we are working with two companies who specialize in wildfire and and arborist

[0:58:04] Voice 6: tree falling. And some of that work would be under their, all of it would be under their guidance and

[0:58:13] Voice 6: recommendations. In fact, I just prepared a map for them, showing all of the archaeological sites

[0:58:18] Voice 6: and walking them through each of the sites to make sure they know where they are, even though

[0:58:24] Voice 6: we have no intent of doing any work near an archaeological site. But just to be safe,

[0:58:29] Voice 6: uh they'll be signing a form every worker to say they've been to each of the sites they know

[0:58:36] Voice 6: they're there they know the obligations of the heritage branch of our concerns may not be affected

[0:58:42] Voice 6: in any way and so the work we're talking about doing is the same work we've done with every home

[0:58:48] Voice 6: that's been built in phase one and phase two it's some selective clearing of a mute order where

[0:58:55] Voice 6: necessary most of that is trimming out the extent of growth of small trees that are really

[0:59:04] Voice 6: compromising the health of larger trees and so in part it's part of the fire smartening

[0:59:10] Voice 6: parts about opening some view corridor where a house might be located which is exactly the

[0:59:15] Voice 6: same what we've done for every lot that's been created on in our development including

[0:59:21] Voice 6: including you say that. So my question, I think, is my understanding is the reason it's

[0:59:29] Voice 6: been deferred. Let me say this. I believe we've complied with the bylaw with respect

[0:59:35] Voice 6: to the requirements of the bylaw. So I'm not really sure what the holdup is with respect

[0:59:41] Voice 6: to the issuance of the DG on on our site. And I know that issues have been raised with

[0:59:50] Voice 6: the first nations in terms of the trustee's concerns about the covenant territories and

[0:59:54] Voice 6: being impacted you know i think we've addressed that certainly with as we can

[1:00:00] Voice 6: you and certainly with moti and moti is going to make a decision regarding a subdivision that will

[1:00:07] Voice 6: include their consultation with the first nation and i suspect any input from the trust

[1:00:12] Voice 6: but i'm not sure what bearing that has on the dp application to remove entries

[1:00:18] Voice 6: from the specific steve slopes that are there so i guess my question is i i i understand the

[1:00:29] Voice 6: reason for the deferral is that has been requested meeting uh i'm assuming that's with the lower

[1:00:35] Voice 6: trust community and it concerns me that we feel that we're kind of left out of the process that

[1:00:47] Voice 6: the first nation is going to meet privately with the trust we understand we're not allowed to

[1:00:51] Voice 6: attend we're not sure if we're going to receive any report from the meeting in terms of what

[1:00:55] Voice 6: issues are raised or discussed we're concerned that we won't have an opportunity it's often the

[1:01:01] Voice 6: case um is not your fault but you know it's the same case where someone sends a letter in from

[1:01:09] Voice 6: the public and it has information that is inaccurate or misinformed we don't have an

[1:01:15] Voice 6: opportunity to respond to it and i'm concerned about this process that we're going to have this

[1:01:21] Voice 6: private meeting where we may not have any information about it or an opportunity to

[1:01:27] Voice 6: address whatever misstatements might be included or misinformation or to add information um

[1:01:32] Voice 6: so i guess i'm asking that question one is i take it it's not a public meeting

[1:01:40] Voice 6: i think we're not allowed to attend i take it that i'm not sure if the meetings are recorded

[1:01:47] Voice 6: and whether the recordings will be available uh or where we fit into this picture to be able to

[1:01:53] Voice 6: address whatever concern might be raised those

[1:01:56] Voice 12: are all good questions and your concerns are well

[1:01:59] Voice 12: heard um i would just say that it's not so much that we deferred the application again as in your

[1:02:06] Voice 12: words um we are continuing to await uh for a response from which i think we had given them

[1:02:14] Voice 12: 90 days and we may be in that space right now we haven't made a decision about any further deferrals

[1:02:21] Voice 12: as you've indicated we have been invited to a meeting with cinema it's their meeting

[1:02:28] Voice 12: it's not our meeting it's not our agenda we don't control it or record it or do anything else

[1:02:35] Voice 12: there's no doubt that um with respect to the referral there will be information that will

[1:02:40] Voice 12: come back to us and that would become public once it ideally unless there's some reason for it to

[1:02:46] Voice 12: be non-public because of particular sensitive archaeological information otherwise so um i just

[1:02:52] Voice 12: ask you to bear with us and we're going to have this meeting have this conversation i don't know

[1:02:57] Voice 12: mostly it's for us to listen as a local trust committee individuals to listen to what anyone

[1:03:02] Voice 12: has to say um and there's other conversations to have in that space as well um and um it will

[1:03:13] Voice 12: i totally understand what you're saying and i appreciate it and i too am concerned that this

[1:03:18] Voice 12: is taking but we're

[1:03:21] Voice 4: doing our due diligence it's the only framework yes i think you know

[1:03:25] Voice 4: i think

[1:03:28] Voice 6: i've said this before but um our difficulty is that we can't seem to get any specific

[1:03:39] Voice 6: information from the first nation sure so let's if we had it we would know what concerns there

[1:03:45] Voice 6: were because we can't think of any we haven't addressed but if there are some the sooner we

[1:03:50] Voice 6: know the better we could address it so

[1:03:52] Voice 12: i can say that information we can share with you

[1:03:56] Voice 12: right that we're giving information and can we share it with the applicant that would be the

[1:04:01] Voice 12: obvious question then we will share it with you but at the moment we don't have or know anything

[1:04:07] Voice 12: and so let's find out and let's know so that we can move together in a more positive way um to

[1:04:13] Voice 12: to see some permission.

[1:04:15] Voice 12: Can I just ask

[1:04:15] Voice 6: this last question?

[1:04:17] Voice 6: Is there a process for an applicant

[1:04:21] Voice 6: to request a meeting with the trustees?

[1:04:22] Voice 6: This is a very awkward place to discuss anything,

[1:04:25] Voice 6: and it takes way too much time from your agenda.

[1:04:28] Voice 6: Is there a process where the applicant

[1:04:31] Voice 6: will meet with the trustees to discuss whatever issues are?

[1:04:36] Voice 6: Well,

[1:04:36] Voice 12: you can meet with an individual trustee

[1:04:39] Voice 12: at any point in time, really, if everybody's willing.

[1:04:42] Voice 12: um there's no obligation to um certainly as we go through the process and there's an opportunity

[1:04:48] Voice 12: and we're actually discussing or deciding something i need more information than indeed

[1:04:53] Voice 12: in this formal process would be that opportunity yes it is difficult um but at the same time

[1:05:00] Voice 12: information that we receive that enables us to make a decision about something out of necessity

[1:05:06] Voice 12: it needs to be public so the public knows what information we've received in order to make a

[1:05:12] Voice 12: decision for the same reason you said if there's misinformation the public needs to have that same

[1:05:17] Voice 12: opportunity to go that's not true and then we need to determine that so i just say bear with us a bit

[1:05:24] Voice 12: more here and uh certainly i want to advance this in as soon as you can in whatever way the local

[1:05:31] Voice 12: trust

[1:05:31] Voice 6: meeting decides yeah i appreciate those comments i think i'm just going to emphasize that

[1:05:36] Voice 6: but our concern is we wish there was more transparency

[1:05:42] Voice 6: between the First Nation and ourselves.

[1:05:45] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:05:46] Voice 6: And similarly with the trust and with MOTI.

[1:05:49] Voice 6: MOTI is fully engaged in this with the First Nations now,

[1:05:54] Voice 6: and we're communicating back and forth,

[1:05:56] Voice 6: so that hopefully will help.

[1:05:57] Voice 3: Can we just clarify, when you say the First Nation,

[1:06:00] Voice 3: are we talking the name of?

[1:06:03] Voice 6: Why do you ask that question?

[1:06:04] Voice 3: Because you literally have never said the name

[1:06:06] Voice 3: of the nation whose territory we are in and in our ocp it says that we must consult with

[1:06:14] Voice 3: specifically and i would ask why do you keep saying the first nation when we know

[1:06:19] Voice 3: very clearly that we're talking about the name of first nation number

[1:06:23] Voice 6: one if you know that then

[1:06:24] Voice 6: why would i have to clarify because i think you know we all know that i think it's disrespectful

[1:06:29] Voice 15: please

[1:06:30] Voice 6: i don't want to have this debate right here i want to put something on the table

[1:06:35] Voice 6: it's really clear, because this has come up with FFM before,

[1:06:41] Voice 6: we happen to be of the view that there are other First Nations

[1:06:45] Voice 6: who share this territory, and we think it's disrespectful

[1:06:48] Voice 6: to not

[1:06:49] Voice 6: at least acknowledge

[1:06:54] Voice 6: the Penelagos, the Cowagy, the Laps,

[1:06:58] Voice 6: and we speak to those First Nations people often.

[1:07:02] Voice 6: So it's not to be disrespectful to FFM,

[1:07:06] Voice 6: And it isn't even intentional when I say the First Nation.

[1:07:09] Voice 6: When I say the First Nation in this room, I am dealing with Sonoma First Nation because they're the ones who are the most active in terms of this application.

[1:07:19] Voice 6: So it's not intentional.

[1:07:21] Voice 6: When I say First Nation, I do mean SFN.

[1:07:25] Voice 6: But I also want to say, as I said to the First Nation, to the Sinaimo First Nation, we feel that it's disrespectful for us to not also respect the other First Nations who share the territory.

[1:07:40] Voice 6: That's not to diminish Sinaimo's claims to the proper of the territory.

[1:07:46] Voice 6: It's just for us, we work with those elders on a regular basis, and we respect the work they do and the knowledge they have.

[1:07:54] Voice 6: and there have been on our property many times and we that's what we say any

[1:07:59] Voice 6: First Nation just welcome on our property so I want to move on does that

[1:08:05] Voice 6: make you feel I'm not trying to be disrespectful opinions

[1:08:08] Voice 3: on it may be

[1:08:10] Voice 3: contrary to what actually is fact but we can leave it there okay well let's

[1:08:15] Voice 12: continue yeah so thank you for being here today and speaking to us thank you

[1:08:19] Voice 12: and um as soon as we know something and we have something to share we will thanks um all right

[1:08:26] Voice 12: so that finishes the public comment period today thank you um we're running a little over time but

[1:08:33] Voice 12: actually you know it's great to have this kind of feedback in our meeting and this kind of

[1:08:38] Voice 12: conversation so that we can be well informed so i'm going to move we have no delegations today

[1:08:43] Voice 12: we have minutes before us here we have two sets of minutes from our own meetings and a number of

[1:08:48] Voice 12: uh minutes for the information i'm just going to ask uh i'm just going to go through these

[1:08:54] Voice 12: um local trust committee special meeting of november the 28th are there any changes to those

[1:08:58] Voice 12: many questions

[1:08:59] Voice 3: um from the 28th sorry just changing to

[1:09:03] Voice 3: the minutes oh our minutes no yes

[1:09:05] Voice 12: no okay so then i'll take it then that those minutes be adopted as presented by general consent

[1:09:11] Voice 12: said um

[1:09:12] Voice 3: sorry uh yes but i have a comment on the resolution that we haven't seen any action on

[1:09:18] Voice 3: okay

[1:09:19] Voice 12: so that we can cover that in the follow-up action okay so

[1:09:24] Voice 3: just one really quick comment um

[1:09:26] Voice 3: i am so appreciative of the very detailed notes thank you lisa millard on uh especially on the

[1:09:33] Voice 3: william shelva's presentation on the water balance assessment it's really clear in here

[1:09:40] Voice 3: how important that is and i really appreciate that thank

[1:09:44] Voice 12: you for that local trust committee meeting

[1:09:46] Voice 12: minutes of january the 18th they're also here for adoption are there any changes to those minutes

[1:09:53] Voice 3: um well they're not for adoption no then

[1:10:02] Voice 12: i will take it by general consent then that the minutes

[1:10:04] Voice 12: of january the 18th be adopted as protected thank you um next item here is resolution without

[1:10:12] Voice 12: meeting there isn't anything here today we now have advisory planning commission uh meeting

[1:10:17] Voice 12: minutes housing advisory commission meeting minutes um they're here for receipt for information to

[1:10:25] Voice 12: inform us um and we'll be become part of other materials as we advance on housing and otherwise

[1:10:32] Voice 12: um if that's all right we'll just receive those 6.4 through 6.7 and also be grateful to those

[1:10:41] Voice 12: citizens that have volunteered their time to assist us in this way.

[1:10:44] Voice 3: Yes, it's incredibly helpful to have all of these minutes from the HAPC and the APC.

[1:10:51] Voice 3: I've made lots of notes from them and just I would like just to make a note here that I learned this

[1:10:58] Voice 3: from the affordable, I shouldn't say affordable, from the housing forum I attended on South

[1:11:05] Voice 3: health spring with dr allison smith and she uh reminded everyone in that really crowded room

[1:11:13] Voice 3: don't use the term affordable if what you really mean is non-market because affordable can mean

[1:11:20] Voice 3: just about anything when it comes to dealing with government agencies so i was going to just send a

[1:11:26] Voice 3: note to the hapc chair and say try to see if you can talk about non-market because i know what

[1:11:32] Voice 3: they're referring to here is non-market house

[1:11:35] Voice 15: and

[1:11:36] Voice 3: i really appreciate that i guess i have a question

[1:11:40] Voice 3: for the planner is um i'm assuming all of the information from the apcs will be collated

[1:11:49] Voice 3: and then brought forward um narissa are you thinking um at a meeting before the march

[1:11:58] Voice 3: community meeting because they've done quite a lot of work although they're

[1:12:05] Voice 3: different like I understand the HAPC is looking at housing specific work that

[1:12:13] Voice 3: was done last term but is this going to inform our community meeting going

[1:12:19] Voice 3: forward because I didn't really see anything in the or maybe I missed it

[1:12:22] Voice 3: um

[1:12:23] Planner Chadwick: sorry through the chair um the intention is that uh we will be inviting the the hapc to

[1:12:34] Planner Chadwick: present uh some of the um some of their like sort of conclusions so we're going to be inviting all

[1:12:41] Planner Chadwick: the groups that the groups that had uh engaged and and um to share um you know the work that

[1:12:48] Planner Chadwick: they've done and the recommendations that they've come out with so um the hapc will be included

[1:12:54] Planner Chadwick: in that in that group so yeah the intention is that their feedback will be um shared great

[1:13:02] Voice 12: awesome thanks excellent

[1:13:04] Voice 15: so

[1:13:05] Voice 12: again we'll receive those uh minutes for information that will be

[1:13:09] Voice 12: as indicated consolidated and brought to us through reporting into the future and uh indeed

[1:13:16] Voice 12: grateful to those individuals for participating in that. So

[1:13:21] Voice 12: I'm going to go to Section seven, follow up action list

[1:13:23] Voice 12: dated February the 15th. And Toby, you had a question from

[1:13:26] Voice 12: the minutes of

[1:13:31] Voice 3: I'm, I'm actually not finding it on the follow up action list.

[1:13:34] Voice 3: I'm wondering if it didn't get added from our special meeting

[1:13:39] Voice 3: meeting on November 26. The item was, we requested that staff provide a memo. Sorry, I'm just

[1:13:51] Voice 3: going back to, it's in the minutes of the, yeah, very good. Okay, page nine. It's that

[1:14:06] Voice 3: that resolution that the Gabriel Island Local Test Committee direct staff to provide a memo

[1:14:10] Voice 3: outlining the rationale behind funding support from Trust Council for water balance assessments

[1:14:15] Voice 3: and why Gabriel and Devon are chosen as the ideal candidates for methodology development.

[1:14:20] Voice 3: So we had a challenging conversation at Financial Planning Committee yesterday.

[1:14:26] Voice 3: I put it on the table, Gabriel's OCP project, and basically said there is no case or business case

[1:14:35] Voice 3: for the water balance study and that is going to be really tough to argue at trust council the

[1:14:42] Voice 3: water balance study is budgeted for fifty thousand dollars which is almost twice the budget for our

[1:14:50] Voice 3: community engagements for the odp project and there's just no business case for it there's so

[1:14:55] Voice 3: i'd like to see a you know scope and timeline and sort of what what are we anticipating as well as

[1:15:01] Voice 3: the benefits for the whole trust area because this has got to go forward to trust council and fifty

[1:15:06] Voice 3: thousand dollars is not you know a drop in the bucket it's a significant um piece of work and

[1:15:12] Voice 3: it's important for the rest of the trust area it's the only project that's advancing the freshwater

[1:15:18] Voice 3: sustainability strategy in the next fiscal so we've asked for this um this work so that we can

[1:15:26] Voice 3: advocate for it at trust council to those trustees who do not actually you know understand

[1:15:31] Voice 3: the work or all the years of data that have you know gone into the strategy and so i just think

[1:15:38] Voice 3: it got lost and i'm wondering if well

[1:15:39] Voice 12: let's find out from the staff okay um

[1:15:42] Voice 12: either nurse or stefan

[1:15:44] Voice 12: steven do you are you aware of any action taken on this item um

[1:15:52] Planner Chadwick: so i'll just speak to yeah if if

[1:15:55] Planner Chadwick: if it's not there there was obviously some glitch um on our part and um we apologize for that now i

[1:16:03] Planner Chadwick: can sort of track that down a little bit so i understand um and i think at this point in time

[1:16:10] Planner Chadwick: there's an opportunity we can what we can do is we can provide you with some

[1:16:14] Planner Chadwick: some speaking notes essentially um um to speak to that that uh that business case

[1:16:22] Voice 3: but

[1:16:23] Voice 12: there isn't there's a short form there's a short form no

[1:16:26] Voice 3: there's a line item saying if the

[1:16:28] Voice 3: water balance is done there's fifty thousand dollars but that's not a business case well

[1:16:33] Voice 12: you're not going to get a business case at this point we

[1:16:36] Voice 3: have we have a short form business case

[1:16:38] Voice 3: i have it for our ocp project not for the water balance that fifty thousand dollars needs a

[1:16:45] Voice 3: a rationale in order for this project to advance at trust council this is a strategic plan project

[1:16:53] Voice 3: not a gabriella ocp project so

[1:16:56] Voice 12: you've indicated that you can provide some speaking notes

[1:16:59] Voice 12: yeah

[1:17:00] Planner Chadwick: yeah so there there was a um a memo that went forward to regional planning um committee i

[1:17:07] Planner Chadwick: believe in november at some point time so the there is rationale and methodology um within that

[1:17:14] Planner Chadwick: memo and so what we can do is we can um we can extract some of the the key pieces from there

[1:17:21] Planner Chadwick: um and i did get a breakdown of cost um earlier uh earlier today just from william shulba

[1:17:29] Planner Chadwick: and and we can add that to um some speaking notes you know

[1:17:35] Planner Chadwick: like a one one two page memo

[1:17:37] Planner Chadwick: sure and

[1:17:38] Voice 12: in an ideal situation there is a that could or should end up with the financial planning

[1:17:44] Voice 12: committee package um possibly through executive committee yeah that the executive committee have

[1:17:49] Voice 12: could have that appended to that package so the council has the opportunity to read it and

[1:17:54] Voice 12: undigest it and perhaps come with questions and then the

[1:17:58] Voice 12: gabriela trustees can uh support thank

[1:18:02] Voice 3: you that's what i'm looking for is that okay

[1:18:04] Voice 3: yeah yeah yeah so i'll

[1:18:06] Voice 12: make sure that ends up on the

[1:18:08] Voice 12: follow back from this yes

[1:18:09] Voice 3: yeah okay so

[1:18:12] Voice 3: i just have a couple comments so that special meeting that we

[1:18:15] Voice 3: had um and there's a huge amount of detail about about why why we need that water balance study

[1:18:22] Voice 3: and why we need it across the trust area especially for denman and gabriela and there

[1:18:28] Voice 3: was a note at some point and in that short form business case which trustee ellen is correct it

[1:18:34] Voice 3: It doesn't lay out what that $15,000 is actually paid for.

[1:18:39] Voice 3: But there was a note in that short-form business case that I've seen twice

[1:18:43] Voice 3: that says that the regional planning committee might be picking up that cost.

[1:18:48] Voice 3: But we can't just leave it at that because...

[1:18:51] Planner Chadwick: We

[1:18:51] Voice 3: haven't budgeted for it.

[1:18:53] Voice 3: We're only requesting $30,000 for the housing strategy.

[1:18:59] Voice 3: Where's the money coming from other than trust counsel agreeing?

[1:19:03] and

[1:19:03] Voice 3: this is part of our strategic plan we want to finish it yeah but but it's

[1:19:08] Voice 3: it's it is it doesn't exist you know regional planning committee might pick

[1:19:14] Voice 3: it up

[1:19:14] Voice 12: is that coming to regional planning committee that's what I believe

[1:19:19] Planner Chadwick: is the so so is is it so the question is it is a business case coming to the

[1:19:29] Planner Chadwick: regional planning committee or sorry i'm not clear on what

[1:19:32] Planner Chadwick: sorry

[1:19:33] Voice 12: let's just go back to the

[1:19:35] Voice 12: beginning where did this work start like william shulman provides us this reporting um it has been

[1:19:41] Voice 12: discussed at regional planning committee um what's the driving force uh for this that ends up

[1:19:48] Voice 12: supporting a fifty thousand dollar financial ask here yes

[1:19:53] Planner Chadwick: so this is part so the the driving force

[1:19:56] Planner Chadwick: there's actually it really so it's connected it's about moving forward with the freshwater

[1:20:02] Planner Chadwick: sustainability plan as well as that the housing strategy um because the housing strategy references

[1:20:08] Planner Chadwick: the importance of um understanding um suitable land um which is very much um connected to

[1:20:16] Planner Chadwick: understanding uh the the water recharge as well as water balance um and then it's ultimately is also

[1:20:24] Planner Chadwick: also connected to the um the the trust's uh strategic plan so that that that's sort of the

[1:20:32] Planner Chadwick: that's the the weight behind uh sort of moving forward the and so the next the items that that

[1:20:39] Planner Chadwick: has been identified by um you know as part of this process to the support the housing work is the is

[1:20:45] Planner Chadwick: the water balance assessments and um that right now so we we had we had applied to the um comp

[1:20:56] Planner Chadwick: uh sorry what it's called compact communities

[1:20:59] Planner Chadwick: complete communities yeah i know it starts with

[1:21:01] Planner Chadwick: the c complete i've i've actually lost you guys too i just see toby's face um i don't see i don't

[1:21:08] Planner Chadwick: see the the three of you so i feel like i'm just sort of speaking to avoid but oh

[1:21:13] Voice 3: something that's

[1:21:15] Voice 3: some button got pressed accidentally i don't know oh

[1:21:17] Planner Chadwick: there we go i think you're coming back okay

[1:21:19] Voice 3: good now i'm speaking

[1:21:20] Planner Chadwick: to humans again that's great not just connections um yes so that's where we

[1:21:27] Planner Chadwick: were we were sort of like hoping that we might be able to get some money from the province to

[1:21:31] Planner Chadwick: support this work and so we've got sort of details around um the water balance work in that

[1:21:37] Planner Chadwick: application. And like I said, I think I mentioned to Regional Planning Committee,

[1:21:44] Planner Chadwick: our application was not supported because it only addresses one aspect of the data

[1:21:57] Planner Chadwick: collection that they're wanting to support for that program and you sort of had to do a full

[1:22:02] Planner Chadwick: suite of things and um and that wasn't really gonna gonna fit with um with what our needs were

[1:22:08] Planner Chadwick: um for this particular ask so that didn't move forward so um um if that had we would have had

[1:22:16] Planner Chadwick: the and and i would

[1:22:19] Voice 12: also maybe so i want to sort of stick to the question at hand

[1:22:22] Voice 12: rather than the bigger scope i realized i asked you to sort of ask who is challenging depending

[1:22:29] Voice 12: who is the champion for this and so i think you understand what are what toby's concern is that

[1:22:38] Voice 12: this is not being well articulated at the financial planning committee table or potentially at the

[1:22:45] Voice 12: financial budget conversation at council coming up and we need to have that information so i think

[1:22:51] Voice 12: that's the intent of motion from our previous meeting and so we just need to have confidence

[1:22:56] Voice 12: that we're going to be we will be prepared but also the council will have that information

[1:23:00] Voice 12: appropriate yeah

[1:23:01] Voice 3: yes yeah so if i mean if i made sure yeah uh

[1:23:05] Voice 3: regional planning committee we decided

[1:23:06] Voice 3: our three priorities for our work plan was to protect quality and quantity of freshwater

[1:23:12] Voice 3: resources in the trust area through the implementation of the freshwater sustainability

[1:23:17] Voice 3: strategy what we so there isn't still a home for this project other than through the gabriella ocp

[1:23:24] Voice 3: process so that's why there we didn't ask for a budget request so this is the only place that it

[1:23:30] Voice 3: lives and it looks like a little ltc we need fifty thousand dollars

[1:23:34] Voice 3: for our water budget but it's for

[1:23:36] Voice 3: the whole trust area to move the methodology so that

[1:23:39] Voice 3: has to be articulated

[1:23:41] Voice 12: so that has not been

[1:23:42] Voice 12: articulated thank

[1:23:43] Voice 3: you okay thank you and

[1:23:44] Voice 12: that's what doesn't need to be that's

[1:23:46] Voice 3: what i was saying

[1:23:47] Voice 3: Same yesterday in FBC.

[1:23:49] Voice 12: So can we leave that with you, Nerissa, and obviously that

[1:23:54] Voice 12: needs to happen as a priority.

[1:23:55] Planner Chadwick: As soon as possible. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what I, yeah, that's what I heard before. And that's what I'm committing to. And I did, I did have some conversation with other staff about our ability to commit to that. And indeed, we can and we will provide you with something.

[1:24:14] Voice 12: need

[1:24:14] Planner Chadwick: further direction today

[1:24:15] Voice 12: or is the motion gabriella 2023 oh wait once a satisfactory

[1:24:20] Voice 12: for you to adapt that um

[1:24:24] Planner Chadwick: i think i think i think we're good yeah we'll we'll get moving on it thank

[1:24:29] Voice 3: you sorry for the pressure

[1:24:32] Planner Chadwick: and it's important

[1:24:33] Voice 3: i think important that's smart 12 13 14. we need

[1:24:37] Voice 3: that information before council yeah um

[1:24:40] Voice 3: well

[1:24:41] Voice 11: yeah uh the executive committee

[1:24:43] Voice 11: needs to advance the council to agenda tomorrow

[1:24:47] Voice 3: or no but the agenda it has to be done by tomorrow

[1:24:51] Voice 3: right before wednesday's meeting that's okay we'll get it done it's going to be flexible

[1:24:57] Voice 12: there yeah we need to do it be sure that the information gets to the council in the back

[1:25:02] Voice 12: is going to go out for a week or 10 days before the council meeting so that's coming up yeah got

[1:25:08] Voice 12: it

[1:25:08] Voice 3: so i just have one really quick question of planner chadwick i'm guessing

[1:25:12] Voice 12: on the follow-up

[1:25:14] Voice 12: action question uh yeah

[1:25:15] Voice 12: oh yeah for sure

[1:25:16] Voice 3: yeah yeah um i'm just guessing that the application

[1:25:20] Voice 3: that you made to the complete communities grant you can use that information for this too right

[1:25:27] Planner Chadwick: yes uh yeah yeah yes you mean for the memo that we provide you yeah yeah yeah yeah so we'll we'll

[1:25:34] Planner Chadwick: pull from the thing from much of what we've we've got existing yes um and um yeah and try and make

[1:25:41] Planner Chadwick: it as as um as clear as as and brief as possible so that you have um something to easily refer to

[1:25:48] Planner Chadwick: in terms of um supporting the rationale to move forward with that thank

[1:25:52] Voice 12: you that's awesome thank

[1:25:54] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:25:56] Voice 12: Any other questions on items on the follow up action list?

[1:26:01] Voice 3: Just a quick question of planner bow. Is there any estimated

[1:26:06] Voice 3: dates for the any of the things that are in progress?

[1:26:12] Voice 5: Just any of them in general?

[1:26:14] Voice 3: Yeah, like I'm just looking at Ali enterprises.

[1:26:20] Voice 3: page 34 I was curious about the covenant folder um legal review for the commons covenant I know

[1:26:29] Voice 3: what's happening

[1:26:30] Voice 3: with that yeah

[1:26:31] Voice 5: so that's um something will be sent for you know legal

[1:26:36] Voice 5: services requests in the next day or two

[1:26:38] Voice 15: and

[1:26:39] Voice 5: uh and so my hope is that um that we'll have I don't

[1:26:43] Voice 5: know how long it will end up taking to get for the lawyers to look at that and and complete their

[1:26:49] Voice 5: review but um it'll come as soon as possible once we once we have a response back from that

[1:26:56] Voice 5: and as far as the alley enterprises that is assigned to me so i've been working with the

[1:27:02] Voice 5: applicants to kind of to clarify their application and then uh we'll work from there to um send a

[1:27:09] Voice 5: notification to stand up for nation which is one of the motions that the ltc will bring back draft

[1:27:15] Voice 5: fine laws okay

[1:27:16] Voice 12: good anything else no okay

[1:27:19] Voice 12: so i'm just sort of looking at the time and looking at

[1:27:22] Voice 12: our agenda i i was anxious that we might end a little earlier maybe that's just not possible

[1:27:30] Voice 12: today but i think i would like to advance before we get to lunch i'd like to do the local trust

[1:27:35] Voice 12: committee projects we've got um some time there to do that to provide that uh update is that all

[1:27:42] Voice 12: right with you narissa oh

[1:27:44] Planner Chadwick: yeah that's my preference and

[1:27:46] Voice 12: then i'm going to just generally ask a question

[1:27:48] Voice 12: of whomever that is sort of acting regional planning manager today um we do have a closed

[1:27:54] Voice 12: meeting coming up scheduled at 1 55 a number of participants there i'm wondering whether or not

[1:28:00] Voice 12: we might schedule that for when we return to our lunch break in order to be sure that we are

[1:28:05] Voice 12: respectful of their time rather than expecting them to come in um when we get to that section

[1:28:12] Voice 12: of the agenda think about that yeah

[1:28:15] Voice 5: i can think about that i can i think it will be

[1:28:19] Voice 5: uh ideal for us to have it near the scheduled time um and so so whether that's right after lunch or

[1:28:27] Voice 5: work a little later on i think that yeah

[1:28:29] Voice 12: i'm well i'm thinking that if we get through this

[1:28:32] Voice 12: and we break for half an hour if what we can for sure say is that when we come back from

[1:28:36] Voice 12: that half an hour this is when would be good to go in camera i think in that conversation

[1:28:41] Voice 12: right sure

[1:28:42] Voice 5: and i give time very much i can reach out to make sure everyone is aware of whatever

[1:28:46] Voice 5: time it is yeah

[1:28:47] Voice 12: so i'm thinking that that is going to be something like one o'clock

[1:28:51] Voice 12: okay okay does that sound all right to you guys yeah so then um if that's all right then we'll

[1:28:59] Voice 12: go to section nine uh local trust committee projects and thank you for narissa for making

[1:29:04] Voice 12: this only two items instead of three today and i'm going to turn the first item over to you to

[1:29:09] Voice 12: give us a briefing and then we'll see what we want to do here all

[1:29:14] Planner Chadwick: right yeah so this first one is

[1:29:16] Planner Chadwick: about um is about capacity um support for to the first nations with respect to the ocp project and

[1:29:26] Planner Chadwick: so we've talked a little bit about um the fact that we that that we do have money first nations

[1:29:32] Planner Chadwick: engagement money and and ltc has talked about ways to use this um and in this case so we're what

[1:29:39] Planner Chadwick: we're doing here is we're actually um we're following a process that um uh planner zupanek

[1:29:47] Planner Chadwick: has initiated with um uh for the gabriola sorry gambier ocp process um with the the squamish

[1:29:56] Planner Chadwick: nation and um and that and

[1:30:00] Planner Chadwick: And in that case, she's worked with them over the past little while and provided capacity funding to them.

[1:30:10] Planner Chadwick: And that's been a very effective way of being able to do this direct work with them around what their priorities and interests around land use are.

[1:30:19] Planner Chadwick: And so we've learned from that process. And we have recently had this conversation with the Comox Nation with respect to projects on Hornby and Denman and around capacity funding potential.

[1:30:40] Planner Chadwick: And there seems to be, in that case, a real openness to exploring that opportunity from their side.

[1:30:51] Planner Chadwick: And as you know, all nations have capacity issues. Even the Squamish that are actually quite a well-supported nation in terms of staffing, even taking up on new projects and being able to actually really effectively dig into them does take time and they simply don't have the staff resources.

[1:31:19] Planner Chadwick: resources. So this is an opportunity to provide them with that funding so that they can decide

[1:31:26] Planner Chadwick: for themselves what the best way to use that funding is. So we've initiated some conversations

[1:31:33] Planner Chadwick: with them. We haven't specifically talked about capacity funding yet, because we're

[1:31:39] Planner Chadwick: We're looking for support from the LTC to move the remaining funding from the OCP project to the nation before the end of fiscal so that we can, you know, start to work with them on with respect to their understanding their interests, their land use interests and how that will connect with the official community plan review project.

[1:32:04] Planner Chadwick: project. So here in this staff report, I've indicated up to $5,000. We do have $4,000

[1:32:15] Planner Chadwick: already allocated to First Nations engagement that hasn't been used. The up to $5,000 is

[1:32:19] Planner Chadwick: that we may have a little bit of additional funding remaining from the engagement piece,

[1:32:28] Planner Chadwick: and so I just wanted to provide the opportunity for that flexibility should we have that money

[1:32:34] Planner Chadwick: available so um so basically what we're looking for is support staff is looking for support um

[1:32:41] Planner Chadwick: from the ltc to prepare capacity work agreement um between the ltc and this name up

[1:32:49] Planner Chadwick: uh and then um and authorize the release of up to five thousand dollars to support uh that

[1:32:55] Planner Chadwick: that capacity their capacity to engage with us thank

[1:32:59] Voice 12: you so we

[1:33:01] Planner Chadwick: have two recommendations here

[1:33:03] Voice 12: and just want to be clear that what you're saying here is the release of an additional up to five

[1:33:08] Voice 12: thousand dollars to the existing money that has already been allocated right

[1:33:12] Planner Chadwick: it's the so it's the

[1:33:13] Planner Chadwick: money that's always been been allocated four thousand dollars which we haven't spent so that's

[1:33:19] Planner Chadwick: for that's what we've currently got allocated for first nations engagement and so it's up up to five

[1:33:25] Planner Chadwick: because we may have an additional a thousand that we can move okay okay

[1:33:28] Voice 12: so um unless there's any

[1:33:32] Voice 12: questions there's two recommendations there i'd love to hear those yeah

[1:33:35] Voice 3: i'm prepared to move uh

[1:33:37] Voice 3: i move that the gabriel highland local trust committee requests staff to prepare a capacity

[1:33:41] Voice 3: work agreement between the ltc and senate first nation for the purpose of engagement with the

[1:33:47] Voice 3: nation on the gabriel island official community plan ocp review project i'll second that moved

[1:33:53] Voice 12: and seconded any discussion all those in favor very happily so yes

[1:33:58] Voice 3: well done thank you so second

[1:34:01] Voice 12: motion

[1:34:01] Voice 3: oh that the gabriola island local committee authorized the release of up to five thousand

[1:34:06] Voice 3: dollars from the official community plan review project 2023 2024 fiscal project budget for the

[1:34:13] Voice 3: purposes of entering into a capacity work agreement with the name of first nation on

[1:34:19] Voice 3: the gabriela island official community plan review project second moving

[1:34:23] Voice 10: seconded any

[1:34:25] Voice 10: for the discussion all those in favor that also

[1:34:27] Voice 12: cares so we

[1:34:29] Voice 10: really want to

[1:34:30] Voice 12: acknowledge actually

[1:34:31] Voice 12: the work that you've drawn in here for us from sonia working with gambier this is really important

[1:34:37] Voice 12: significant work in the islands trust and um it's wonderful that we're walking this path together

[1:34:42] Voice 12: is there any further uh discussion associated with like 9.1 otherwise we'll go to 9.2

[1:34:50] Voice 12: Okay, 9.2. Nerissa, over to you.

[1:34:53] Planner Chadwick: All right, so this is to give you a bit of an

[1:34:56] Planner Chadwick: update on where things are at with the engagement process. I know trustees shared a little bit

[1:35:02] Planner Chadwick: earlier about where we're at with the groups and it's been, I mean from this end it seems like

[1:35:10] Planner Chadwick: things are moving along very well, like people seem to be engaged and quite interested in the

[1:35:16] Planner Chadwick: the process. And what's exciting, we're coming to the, I would say, exciting conclusion of our

[1:35:22] Planner Chadwick: first phase of engagement related to the Gabriela Vision 2030 piece. And I also just wanted to

[1:35:31] Planner Chadwick: briefly speak to the 10-page OCP. Absolutely want to go for something that is not going to be

[1:35:37] Planner Chadwick: clunky and huge, but I would also say that we're also separating vision from policy, right? So

[1:35:43] Planner Chadwick: So the OCP is a policy document, and that shouldn't be forgotten.

[1:35:47] Planner Chadwick: And we are going to be creating a vision document as well.

[1:35:50] Planner Chadwick: So the vision and what that vision document is, again, we will be looking, you know, we'll have some framework, but there may be opportunity for some community engagement on what the ultimate product looks like.

[1:36:06] Planner Chadwick: looks like um we have had some great um some really great response on the survey um 405

[1:36:18] Planner Chadwick: responses were received from the the community so that's that's 10 which is um really quite

[1:36:25] Planner Chadwick: outstanding for a um a survey um 14 groups received funding from the community-led engagement

[1:36:34] Planner Chadwick: We've had well before just up to when when we put out the agenda there were two groups that had submitted their, their feedback form so we're trying to track that down.

[1:36:44] Planner Chadwick: We're planning a.

[1:36:47] Planner Chadwick: we just actually just this morning confirmed the dates for uh and we're able to um confirm space

[1:36:55] Planner Chadwick: at the the haven for a final community a community meeting oh great

[1:37:00] Planner Chadwick: to to sort of celebrate these

[1:37:03] Planner Chadwick: efforts and um share uh where we've come and staff is working on a uh what we're calling a snippet

[1:37:11] Planner Chadwick: report um that's basically a snippet of what we've heard from the survey and we'll be reaching out to

[1:37:18] Planner Chadwick: all of the groups to invite them to present a little bit about what came out of their um

[1:37:23] Planner Chadwick: uh what came out of their group discussions and ultimately um oh and we're we're bringing

[1:37:30] Planner Chadwick: a graphic facilitator in um to basically uh illustrate the vision uh where we where we are

[1:37:38] Planner Chadwick: And ultimately, all of that information will be put into a Gabriela 2030 vision document.

[1:37:46] Planner Chadwick: 2050, right?

[1:37:48] Planner Chadwick: Oh, yeah, sorry. 2050. That's right. 2030. That's pretty close. 2030.

[1:37:54] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, yeah. So, um, it feels pretty exciting from this end. So, and what I hear from, you know, staff that are on the island, there's a bit of a buzz in the community. So that's really exciting to hear as well.

[1:38:06] Planner Chadwick: So, so, yeah, I'm really looking forward to this community event. We're, we're, like I said, we just confirmed it this morning, basically, and Morgana,

[1:38:16] Voice 15: it's

[1:38:18] Planner Chadwick: the, it's the last, the date is the last, it's the last Saturday in March 23rd.

[1:38:28] Voice 3: Okay, cool.

[1:38:30] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[1:38:31] Planner Chadwick: Okay.

[1:38:31] Planner Chadwick: it okay yeah

[1:38:32] Planner Chadwick: march 23rd so um um now i've lost my place okay um uh yeah so morgan is working

[1:38:42] Planner Chadwick: on communications materials to get that out to the community we've got a bit of a we've got a

[1:38:46] Planner Chadwick: bit of a schedule with respect to putting out postcards and posters and um and all that sort

[1:38:52] Planner Chadwick: of thing so um so you'll be seeing that soon um uh yeah so in terms of the i mean it's a very

[1:39:02] Planner Chadwick: simple it's a very simple resolution here basically tweaking the date because

[1:39:11] Planner Chadwick: the community meeting one was originally in the work plan planned for April but

[1:39:20] Planner Chadwick: we realized we we've got it we've got budget to do it now and there seems to

[1:39:27] Planner Chadwick: be momentum in the in the in the community to do this and and also we've

[1:39:32] Planner Chadwick: got the staff resources we're bringing um jillian uh who's done a lot of work on the uh the the

[1:39:40] Planner Chadwick: outreach for the policy statement in the past and she's a whiz at um at putting data together and um

[1:39:48] Planner Chadwick: with respect to input from community so we've been able to clear a bit of time

[1:39:52] Planner Chadwick: of her time to help us to wrap this information together and of course we've got our amazing team

[1:39:59] Planner Chadwick: team of Morgana and Chloe who are absolutely exceptional when it when it comes to getting

[1:40:06] Planner Chadwick: the communications out so all that to say we're able to we're able to do it from a staffing

[1:40:11] Planner Chadwick: perspective and it seems like the best that best thing to do for from a budget perspective and also

[1:40:17] Planner Chadwick: from a community momentum

[1:40:18] Voice 7: perspective so

[1:40:20] Voice 7: so

[1:40:21] Planner Chadwick: yeah I'll leave it at that in terms of what I have to

[1:40:24] Planner Chadwick: say and um um but i mean i guess i'll yeah i i said you know there's there's there are three

[1:40:31] Planner Chadwick: products there are a couple of things that uh that that will be helping us to wrap this together uh

[1:40:36] Planner Chadwick: and that'll be the snippet report a vision document um we'll have a nice illustration to to

[1:40:43] Planner Chadwick: contribute to those documents uh that this the vision document and um and those will probably

[1:40:49] Planner Chadwick: be done we're thinking probably march we're getting a co-op student uh in um at the beginning

[1:40:55] Planner Chadwick: of may and that co-op student will have some of their time dedicated to this project as well so

[1:41:01] Planner Chadwick: we're really fortunate with that too so i'll um yeah i'll hand it over to you for questions

[1:41:07] Voice 12: okay thank you very much uh plan of chadwick so you're asking us to endorse the community

[1:41:12] Voice 12: engagement plan up uh the revised plan which is in our package here there is perhaps some

[1:41:18] Voice 12: questions about the overall plan otherwise if there are no questions we can go to the motion

[1:41:22] Voice 12: but uh trustees what would you like to do with the revised community engagement plan that we're

[1:41:28] Voice 12: being asked to endorse let's endorse it

[1:41:30] Voice 3: i'm good to endorse um i'm just looking at the

[1:41:36] Voice 3: so first community meeting um so when we talk about identifying key priorities this is sort

[1:41:45] Voice 3: of the the snippet um deliverable you're talking about where we're going to hear from

[1:41:51] Voice 3: different parts of the surveys that have maybe come in and some big themes graphic illustration

[1:41:58] Voice 3: um could we also record the event i mean if it's a public meeting we have to

[1:42:04] Voice 3: um is there a way to do it in a way that's not just going to be on our um you know on our system

[1:42:11] Voice 3: them through zoom kind of thing but a you know maybe a more publicly accessible document that

[1:42:16] Voice 3: could be shareable uh for social media and such and you know i'd be happy to work with you on

[1:42:21] Voice 3: that it doesn't have to be a big cost or anything just you know a simple iphone setup but on a

[1:42:27] Voice 3: tripod but would the ltc be happy for that um and i could work with morgana i guess she'd probably

[1:42:34] Voice 3: have some ideas yeah to make it more accessible because not everybody is still comfortable

[1:42:40] Voice 3: meeting and public spaces and we're a community of 4,500 now so um i just want to make sure that the

[1:42:48] Voice 3: the this is broadcast

[1:42:51] Voice 3: as widely as possible

[1:42:52] Planner Chadwick: yeah yeah through through the chair um i think yes

[1:42:58] Planner Chadwick: absolutely there's opportunity for that um we have the we have our weekly meetings

[1:43:03] Planner Chadwick: communications meetings set up so if you're able to engage that's an opportunity but otherwise um

[1:43:10] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, you know, we're happy to engage at any point in time to discuss, you know, the format, you know, anything like that, because we do want this event to be one that the community, you know, all the community can access and, and that it'll be designed in a way that that is going to work.

[1:43:31] Planner Chadwick: so

[1:43:32] Voice 3: great okay i'm happy i have no further questions so great and i really appreciate

[1:43:37] Voice 3: you moving this forward to this um before the end of the fiscal because uh i was concerned

[1:43:42] Voice 3: that we were going to lose a little bit of momentum so yeah

[1:43:46] Voice 12: how about a motion yeah

[1:43:47] Voice 3: i'm

[1:43:49] Voice 3: happy to move that the gabriella island local trust committee endorse the revised gabriella

[1:43:54] Voice 3: island official community plan ocp and land use bylaw lub review project community engagement

[1:44:00] Voice 3: engagement strategy. I'll second that.

[1:44:01] Voice 12: We'll be there. Seconded. Any further discussion?

[1:44:04] Voice 12: All those in favor?

[1:44:05] Voice 12: I carry you back to sleep.

[1:44:08] Voice 7: And

[1:44:08] Voice 12: I just want to say

[1:44:09] Voice 12: this is really exciting to

[1:44:11] Voice 12: feel and see this

[1:44:13] Voice 12: level of community engagement and

[1:44:15] Voice 12: the commitment and the enthusiasm

[1:44:17] Voice 12: I'm feeling from staff with their work.

[1:44:20] Voice 12: This is really

[1:44:22] Voice 12: exciting work for the Analyst Trust.

[1:44:24] Voice 12: Now

[1:44:24] Voice 3: you know why we love Gabriela so much.

[1:44:26] Voice 3: Because we get stuff done

[1:44:27] Voice 3: and we love doing it.

[1:44:30] Voice 12: Okay, well, let's keep that in mind.

[1:44:33] Voice 12: And if it's all right, I think that that concludes that local trust committee project section.

[1:44:38] Voice 12: Is that correct?

[1:44:40] Voice 12: Then let

[1:44:40] Planner Chadwick: us, if you don't mind, I'd like to

[1:44:42] Voice 12: maybe just touch on correspondence before we go to our break.

[1:44:45] Voice 12: And maybe we'll break at 1230.

[1:44:47] Voice 12: And I've got the nod that one o'clock we can go in camera with the people, the guests that are going to join us.

[1:44:54] Voice 12: And then we can get that going.

[1:44:55] Voice 12: So I'm going to be a bit bold here and just suggest that all the correspondence, 10.1 through 10.4, we've also heard from members of the public that we received that information, and then I'd like to suggest that in a new business that perhaps you want to direct us to write a letter and communicate with Modi to engage the community in some way, and I'd be happy to sign a letter like that.

[1:45:20] Voice 12: Yeah, so

[1:45:21] Voice 12: I'm just sort of setting the stage to say, can we receive 10.1 through 10.4 for information and then let's go to the new business, and we can send you pictures.

[1:45:30] Voice 3: Okay, new business.

[1:45:32] Voice 3: So, so we'll discuss this under new business. Under

[1:45:35] Voice 12: new business, sure. Yeah. Okay, so we'll receive those items and really want to thank the members of the community that were here to speak to us today.

[1:45:43] Voice 12: And I didn't mean any disrespect at all to the individual that spoke that is really important

[1:45:51] Voice 12: to her.

[1:45:51] Voice 12: And it's also important to me and indeed this destruction, I've seen this on other islands

[1:45:58] Voice 12: and it just needs to be flagged.

[1:46:01] Voice 12: I don't know why it keeps happening.

[1:46:03] Voice 12: In fact, you all know, you know about the horrible event that happened on Saturna last

[1:46:09] Voice 12: year.

[1:46:09] Voice 12: yes oh

[1:46:10] Voice 3: i thought i

[1:46:11] Voice 12: don't know i was there right

[1:46:12] Voice 3: after that happened okay so

[1:46:15] Voice 12: we'll receive that

[1:46:16] Voice 12: for correspondence acknowledge the input and the importance of this so i'm going to go to

[1:46:20] Voice 12: new business and maybe we can get through some of this when we go for our break but um i just want

[1:46:26] Voice 12: to provide that right at the get go here let's follow up um i do think we need to communicate

[1:46:31] Voice 12: with uh modi about this activity and that indeed there needs to be some communication back to the

[1:46:39] Voice 12: community about i actually

[1:46:40] Voice 12: when we get

[1:46:41] Voice 3: to it i want to have a meeting we need to have a meeting

[1:46:43] Voice 3: here

[1:46:44] Voice 12: let's invite them so yeah uh let's do that right now okay you

[1:46:49] Voice 12: want to make a motion i move

[1:46:52] Voice 3: that the gabriel island local trust committee uh schedule a meeting with

[1:46:58] Voice 3: request a meeting or request staff to schedule a meeting however we do it with multi-representatives

[1:47:10] Voice 3: regarding the crash clearing road

[1:47:16] Voice 15: allowance yeah

[1:47:17] Voice 3: road yeah sorry road allowance and brush mowing

[1:47:24] Voice 3: operations

[1:47:28] Voice 3: you

[1:47:29] Voice 15: get that reason

[1:47:31] Voice 3: i did you

[1:47:32] Voice 5: want to read it back the

[1:47:33] Voice 3: gabriel island local

[1:47:34] Voice 3: truck committee requests a meeting with a ministry of transportation infrastructure

[1:47:38] Voice 3: structural representatives regarding the road allowance and brush mowing operation okay yeah

[1:47:44] Voice 3: that

[1:47:44] Voice 12: captures it I'll second it by uh Toby Elliot thank

[1:47:47] Voice 12: you any further discussion and all of them

[1:47:51] Voice 12: paid also endorsed enthusiastically by unanimously and again thanks to the community

[1:47:58] Voice 3: so I would I do

[1:47:59] Voice 3: think we should write a letter including some of the articulating some of the concerns and would

[1:48:05] Voice 3: you be comfortable if we just work on that and do a letter from the ltc well

[1:48:10] Voice 12: i think that's probably

[1:48:11] Voice 12: we would formally invite modi that would be by letter or email and perhaps um you and i and the

[1:48:18] Voice 12: trustees could just collaborate together i think you can't probably understand what we're saying

[1:48:24] Voice 12: and that could

[1:48:24] Voice 12: be captured and we can if

[1:48:26] Voice 5: it's a letter from the ltc then we can you can certainly

[1:48:29] Voice 5: we can produce something and you can have feedback now and make sure that it's

[1:48:35] Voice 12: So this motion that we've just passed, will that embrace all of that?

[1:48:39] Voice 5: I think it does.

[1:48:40] Voice 5: You can do that to schedule a meeting, and we'll do that by sending a letter

[1:48:43] Voice 5: or to request the meetings.

[1:48:45] Voice 5: That's what we'll do.

[1:48:46] Voice 5: Is that satisfactory?

[1:48:47] Voice 3: Yeah, but it should articulate some of the concerns,

[1:48:50] Voice 3: like why are we calling the meeting?

[1:48:51] Voice 3: It's not just can we have a meeting.

[1:48:53] Voice 10: We can include the photograph.

[1:48:54] Voice 10: Send

[1:48:54] Voice 3: it right there.

[1:48:55] Voice 3: We can

[1:48:55] Voice 3: include the photograph.

[1:48:57] Voice 3: That's all I wanted to say.

[1:49:00] Voice 3: That's the photograph.

[1:49:01] Voice 3: Understood?

[1:49:02] Voice 3: Understood.

[1:49:02] Voice 12: understood thank

[1:49:03] Voice 3: you very much yep

[1:49:05] Voice 12: fantastic um

[1:49:07] Voice 3: do we need to find a date or can we just leave that

[1:49:10] Voice 3: like i think i

[1:49:11] Voice 12: have to work within this schedule yeah

[1:49:13] Voice 3: okay

[1:49:15] Voice 12: very good instruction has been done

[1:49:16] Voice 12: yeah

[1:49:17] Voice 3: i know unfortunately um

[1:49:20] Voice 12: so can we go another 12 minutes and get this new business

[1:49:24] Voice 12: work through this the next one may be much more grandiose than i imagine i will note that there

[1:49:30] Voice 12: was correspondence received regarding is that

[1:49:35] Voice 12: new this morning i don't remember now it's

[1:49:37] Voice 3: a few days

[1:49:38] Voice 3: yeah

[1:49:39] Voice 12: late that it wouldn't have been included on the agenda but 11.1 is a review of the new

[1:49:45] Voice 12: provincial short term accommodation act of the gabrielle and local trust committee area memorandum

[1:49:50] Voice 12: this is sort of going around through the local trust committees um asking whether or not you

[1:49:56] Voice 12: want to make a request of the province to be included um um notice the plan of chadwick or

[1:50:04] Voice 12: steven bow are you prepared to invest this above the ask here um on fetus and on gambier we've

[1:50:13] Voice 12: deferred it for this time because we don't have enough information to consider the next intake

[1:50:18] Voice 12: period so

[1:50:19] Voice 5: yeah i can i'll give you i can give you a summary and overview of the report and

[1:50:23] Voice 5: and then some of the options there that are for your consideration yeah um so the report provides

[1:50:29] Voice 5: an overview of the behavioral local trust area bylaws and highlights how they intersect with the

[1:50:35] Voice 5: new uh short-term mental population act the problems have been implemented um so the main

[1:50:41] Voice 5: analysis is in those two tables that you see on pages 70 and and 71 and 72. um and the first

[1:50:50] Voice 5: summarizes the the opportunities and the implications of some of this provincial

[1:50:54] Voice 5: legislation so things like the regional district business licensing increased fines and in this

[1:51:03] Voice 5: case Gabriel does have a MTI bylaw and so there is a option to increase the maximum fine the principal

[1:51:14] Voice 5: the municipal residence requirement, the end of the long informant status, the provincial registry and provincial enforcement, because they will be enforcing their own act in this case.

[1:51:30] Voice 5: so um and that second table i can look over some of the gabriel local trust area regulations so

[1:51:37] Voice 5: for gabriel for mudge island and for de courcy island and how they relate to this legislation

[1:51:44] Voice 5: uh the main considerations or the main um differences or places where things don't

[1:51:50] Voice 5: match up necessarily right now are with the new real island temporary use permit

[1:51:57] Voice 5: scheme that allows for some of these short-term vacation rentals on on that basis which doesn't

[1:52:05] Voice 5: have a requirement that those operators are are critical residents in those cases and so there

[1:52:12] Voice 5: are a couple of open or ongoing issued permits that haven't expired yet and there's also some

[1:52:19] Voice 5: extreme applications uh and the other uh otherwise bread bed and breakfast on gabriel that do need

[1:52:26] Voice 5: to be operated by you know someone at resident of a lot and that's similar on edge island as well

[1:52:32] Voice 5: um on the course the island there is a permitted use that's not really defined of yes

[1:52:39] Voice 5: yes cottages and so it's not necessarily clear and that might be something that you might want

[1:52:45] Voice 5: look at at some point is updating that by a lot to provide more clarity there

[1:52:51] Voice 5: so uh the memo has four options for you to consider one is to receive the memo for information

[1:52:58] Voice 5: um the second to request staff prepare a draft amendment to your mti bylaw to increase those

[1:53:04] Voice 5: fines uh the third is to add a new project description to the projects list

[1:53:09] Voice 5: uh to include a review and update of the short-term vacation rental regulations

[1:53:13] Voice 5: on Gabriela and Borde Corsi.

[1:53:16] Voice 5: And then finally the option to opt in

[1:53:19] Voice 5: to the provincial principal residence requirement.

[1:53:22] Voice 5: And that's an annual deadline.

[1:53:24] Voice 5: So if you were to do that for this year,

[1:53:27] Voice 5: which you may not wish to,

[1:53:30] Voice 5: because you'll have an opportunity next year

[1:53:32] Voice 5: and the following year for that to not going,

[1:53:34] Voice 5: but the deadline is the end of March.

[1:53:38] Voice 12: All right.

[1:53:40] Voice 12: Any questions or any direction

[1:53:42] Voice 12: that you'd like to provide at this time?

[1:53:50] Voice 3: I'm actually in favor of opting in

[1:53:52] Voice 3: because our TUP process works to some extent,

[1:53:59] Voice 3: but it is not working because bylaw enforcement

[1:54:02] Voice 3: is still chasing commercial operations

[1:54:08] Voice 3: that are not complying or applying.

[1:54:10] Voice 3: line and the principal concern i think for gay rural residents and i can't speak for mandra

[1:54:18] Voice 3: de courcy but is that it's you know off-site operators who purchase a property for the purpose

[1:54:26] Voice 3: of operating a short-term vacation rental and the cost to the taxpayer to chase after them

[1:54:33] Voice 3: issued fines we've heard you know that this is by far the largest cost for our bylaw enforcement

[1:54:41] Voice 3: and you know and reading up on the airbnbs and all of that the province has taken a strong stance

[1:54:47] Voice 3: i've heard from the community multiple times that short-term vacation rentals that are operated

[1:54:52] Voice 3: outside of our allowable permitted system which functions very well to keep reviewing is this

[1:54:59] Voice 3: working in the neighborhood. So I'm not wanting to target those as long as we we don't target the

[1:55:06] Voice 3: the property owners who are working within our structure but I would like to see if we could

[1:55:17] Voice 3: opt in and and I doesn't need any more work than we're collecting sorry basically all the LTCs

[1:55:26] Voice 3: uh that wish to opt in and that would be sort of forwarded to the ministry in a

[1:55:33] Voice 5: collective

[1:55:34] Voice 3: manner yeah uh

[1:55:37] Voice 5: yeah through the chair there is a draft motion um here for

[1:55:40] Voice 15: consideration yeah okay

[1:55:42] Voice 5: um regarding opt-in so i can clarify or just ensure your understanding that

[1:55:48] Voice 5: uh opting in would um it would come into effect if you did it for this upcoming deadline at the

[1:55:56] Voice 5: of march would come into effect in november next year and

[1:55:59] Voice 5: uh november this year this year and your

[1:56:03] Voice 5: uh any existing temporary use permits that have been issued and are active at that time

[1:56:10] Voice 5: that don't meet the principal residence requirement would

[1:56:13] Voice 15: become important yeah

[1:56:14] Voice 5: yeah so i just wanted to make sure that that yeah i agree

[1:56:17] Voice 3: i am prepared to make a motion on this

[1:56:21] Voice 3: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request that the Minister of Housing

[1:56:27] Voice 3: on behalf of the Lieutenant Governor and Council apply the principal residence requirement

[1:56:32] Voice 3: to the Gabriela Island Local Trust Area and that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Area

[1:56:38] Voice 3: be removed from the exempt land as per Section 15 of the Short-Term Rental Accommodation

[1:56:44] Voice 3: Act.

[1:56:45] Voice 3: I second that.

[1:56:47] Voice 15: It was seconded.

[1:56:48] Voice 12: Excellent.

[1:56:49] Voice 12: Any discussion?

[1:56:50] Voice 12: All those in favor?

[1:56:51] Voice 12: David, that too carries unanimously.

[1:56:53] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:56:54] Voice 3: I've never seen such fast action from provincial legislation,

[1:56:58] Voice 3: the Local Trust Committee.

[1:57:00] Voice 3: And I would like to thank Senator Bowne for this really good chart

[1:57:05] Voice 3: that sort of shows what the options are,

[1:57:07] Voice 3: because I read Stefan Cermak's notes on Bill 44

[1:57:12] Voice 3: and all those over and over again,

[1:57:15] Voice 3: still trying to figure out how can we best make use of the legislation.

[1:57:19] Voice 3: legislation. So this really is helpful to say, how can we best make use of this legislation?

[1:57:24] Voice 5: Thanks. I will pass it. Thanks to Sonia. I'd love to take credit.

[1:57:31] Voice 3: I'd also like to make note here that I want to look at these other things, number two and three,

[1:57:42] Voice 3: um but i i'm not prepared to do them at this meeting so i hope it's okay if we delay these

[1:57:49] Voice 3: i just want to think about them yeah i've thought about them and two i yeah i i don't think two is

[1:57:55] Voice 3: even feasible because yeah the need for them yeah to serve the ticket in person yeah yeah and we've

[1:58:03] Voice 3: been told that yeah so maybe i don't even need to think about that because yeah serving in in

[1:58:07] Voice 3: person is almost impossible in many cases so forget that so number three should we the only

[1:58:13] Voice 3: reason i want to look at number three is because i have been thinking about the core seat and about

[1:58:18] Voice 3: how open-ended that is and it maybe it doesn't matter very much now but it might matter a lot

[1:58:22] Voice 3: in the future and i'm just wondering um how could i don't know if we need to look at gabriola

[1:58:31] Voice 3: short-term vacation we were well supplied by our temporary use bylaw i mean and by this now

[1:58:38] Voice 3: i think um although sorry could i could we add it to the ocp review i mean it's well i'm thinking

[1:58:45] Voice 3: about the course specifically yeah i really am more concerned about the course of this one

[1:58:50] Voice 3: so how how should we go about that um can we look at the

[1:58:56] Voice 3: project i think we should add this

[1:58:58] Voice 3: to the project list and not yeah i'm not so worried about people but i am concerned about

[1:59:03] Voice 5: You really have your ongoing OCP project related

[1:59:07] Voice 3: to housing, but I think they're...

[1:59:08] Voice 3: Yes, and we're kind of...

[1:59:11] Voice 3: So I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to add updating the

[1:59:20] Voice 3: De Courcy land use by-law to the projects list.

[1:59:27] Voice 12: Respecting...

[1:59:28] Voice 3: uh with with particular uh regard for short-term vacation rentals or however you want it

[1:59:37] Voice 3: that's

[1:59:38] Voice 4: satisfactory um but we'll get you

[1:59:43] Voice 3: can reword it that's probably not the best wording

[1:59:45] Voice 3: move to the gabriel island local trust committee request staff update de courcy land use bylaw

[1:59:51] Voice 3: for the projects list with particular regard to short-term short-term vacation

[1:59:57] Voice 3: I think we're just adding it to the project.

[2:00:00] Voice 3: list not updating it yeah to the future projects list up here adding

[2:00:05] Voice 3: to not update it

[2:00:06] is

[2:00:08] Voice 15: that good is that okay that's okay yes that'll work

[2:00:11] Voice 15: do you want

[2:00:13] Voice 12: to hear that one more time

[2:00:16] Voice 12: i'm

[2:00:17] Voice 3: okay with that

[2:00:20] Voice 3: oh you get a camera um moves that the gabriel island local trust committee requests staff

[2:00:25] Voice 3: and Corsi land use by-law to the future projects list

[2:00:30] Voice 3: with particular regard for short-term vacation land use.

[2:00:34] Voice 3: That's not quite the right wording, is it?

[2:00:35] Voice 3: It's just, we need to add it

[2:00:37] Voice 3: because we want to look at short-term,

[2:00:39] Voice 3: we want to look at what short-term-

[2:00:43] Voice 3: I think that captured it.

[2:00:44] Voice 5: Yeah, that can capture it.

[2:00:46] Voice 5: There's wording in the memo as well that may assist.

[2:00:51] Voice 3: On page 74?

[2:00:53] Voice 3: On number three, right?

[2:00:55] Voice 3: Page 74?

[2:00:55] Voice 3: Yes. Right. Yes. Oh, right. We can just leave out Gabriel Island. I'm sorry. We'll just do number

[2:01:04] Voice 3: three on page 74. So I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to

[2:01:12] Voice 3: add a new project description to the project list to include a review and update of short-term

[2:01:18] Voice 3: vacational regulations on D'Courcy Island.

[2:01:25] Voice 10: We're happy.

[2:01:26] Voice 3: I'll talk about

[2:01:27] Voice 3: any

[2:01:27] Voice 12: further discussion. All those in favor?

[2:01:32] Voice 12: unanimously. That's great. Does that conclude section 11.1?

[2:01:41] Voice 12: Okay, can I just jump to 11.2? And then I promise we'll go for

[2:01:45] Voice 12: London engagement with Mudge Island residents I think that um this is great it would be great to

[2:01:52] Voice 12: get uh direction staff to investigate uh a meeting on my job so

[2:01:58] Voice 3: yeah I was um lots of conversation

[2:02:02] Voice 3: um I think we heard from people today that they'd like to do sort of some preliminary

[2:02:08] Voice 3: work, but my resolution would be to request staff to schedule an electronic community

[2:02:16] Voice 3: meeting, and this is sort of up for

[2:02:18] Voice 3: debate, but there's reasons why scheduling an in-person

[2:02:21] Voice 3: electronic meeting at lunch is challenging. WorkSafe, vote access, it's almost...

[2:02:29] Voice 12: Yeah, the electronic

[2:02:30] Voice 3: part might be challenging.

[2:02:31] Voice 3: No, but so with the view that it would be on much in summer 2024, with one or both local trustees and attendants to hear community concerns over by law enforcement approaches.

[2:02:45] Voice 3: And the reason electronic, because we've investigated whether an in-person meeting is possible, because there needs to be a water taxi, work safe coverage for staffing, staff could only be present zooming in.

[2:03:00] Voice 3: we can use the mix hall only place that a public event would be held

[2:03:07] Voice 3: it is the mix hall and they

[2:03:10] Voice 3: do have internet so i'm it could it be an in-person meeting could it replace one of our

[2:03:14] Voice 3: regular businesses no

[2:03:15] Voice 10: i would just

[2:03:15] Voice 12: say let's just organize a meeting a special media period

[2:03:19] Voice 12: and let staff figure out how we can or cannot get there because i would love to okay great

[2:03:25] Voice 12: and i can

[2:03:27] Voice 12: kayak over there if i had to and i don't

[2:03:29] Voice 12: have to worry about

[2:03:29] Voice 12: community

[2:03:30] Voice 10: meeting

[2:03:39] Voice 3: on much i'd like to be in the summer of 2024 like this year yeah um to hear

[2:03:49] Voice 3: community concerns over violent enforcement and approaches does that sound and what about the docs

[2:03:53] Voice 3: and by counting

[2:03:57] Voice 10: me on that water access vote access i did today

[2:04:00] Voice 3: because some of the community

[2:04:03] Voice 3: concerns about bylaw enforcement and approaches comma and water slash boat access or safe water

[2:04:16] Voice 3: access and that should do it yeah it's almost yeah thank you okay i'll second that

[2:04:24] Voice 12: all right that's you're comfortable with that i can

[2:04:29] Voice 3: read it after killing um

[2:04:32] Voice 3: i have this move that the gabriel island local trust committee requests staff to schedule a

[2:04:37] Voice 3: special community meeting on much in the summer of 2024 to hear community concerns about bylaw

[2:04:43] Voice 3: enforcement and approaches and safe water access yep

[2:04:47] Voice 9: moved and seconded um any further discussion

[2:04:52] Voice 9: just

[2:04:53] Voice 3: a really quick question it sounds like they would like us to meet there earlier than

[2:04:57] Voice 3: the summer but that would that be possible yeah they said yeah sure can we can we say

[2:05:03] Voice 3: spring slash summer it's just because they wanted to have a discussion about

[2:05:07] Voice 3: they want to have pre-discussions yeah i don't know how long it's going to take

[2:05:10] Voice 3: pre-discussions with their communities so they can kind of come together we're not even in spring

[2:05:15] Voice 3: bring in so right so

[2:05:16] Voice 3: spring slash summer yeah that

[2:05:19] Voice 12: would be

[2:05:23] Voice 3: great thank you lisa

[2:05:27] Voice 12: so moved and seconded then and um all is a pick thank you thank you

[2:05:32] Voice 3: so much um

[2:05:33] Voice 12: destination bc do

[2:05:35] Voice 12: you have a motion or any thoughts or we'll see i'm

[2:05:38] Voice 3: not sure why we had this on it was

[2:05:41] Voice 3: Didn't we already send it?

[2:05:42] Voice 3: It was a little bit of concern that we don't have access to an easy way

[2:05:48] Voice 3: of sending a letter of support without giving

[2:05:51] Voice 11: a lot of staff.

[2:05:52] Voice 11: That's pretty good.

[2:05:53] Voice 3: It finally ended up there, but it was about three weeks of emails.

[2:05:58] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:05:58] Voice 12: so we'll just receive this from you.

[2:05:59] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:06:00] Voice 12: Excellent.

[2:06:02] Voice 12: Then let's go for a break, and we'll reconvene at 1 o'clock sharp.

[2:06:06] Voice 12: And for members of the public, we're going to go in camera at 1 o'clock.

[2:06:10] Voice 12: and uh and then i expect that might be as much as a half an hour and then we'll come back out

[2:06:15] Voice 12: of that conversation and continue the remainder of the meeting which begins on page 91 of your

[2:06:20] Voice 12: agenda which is uh reports for program upcoming coming meetings thank you for a great morning

[2:06:26] Voice 12: thank you for joining me i'm

[2:06:28] Voice 3: going to turn that thank you

[2:06:30] Voice 3: nancy for hanging in there

[2:06:31] Voice 3: Will,

[2:06:32] Voice 9: are you online there?

[2:06:34] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:06:36] Voice 14: I sure am.

[2:06:37] Voice 12: And so I don't know if you follow that.

[2:06:41] Voice 12: We're going to go to camera with the guests joining us electronically at 1 o'clock.

[2:06:46] Voice 14: Yep, no problem.

[2:06:47] Voice 12: Perfect.

[2:06:48] Voice 12: Thank you, Will.

[2:06:48] Voice 14: So should I pause it or we don't want to leave the meeting, right?

[2:06:53] Voice 14: No, you can leave it running and I'll just handle things from the back end.

[2:06:59] Voice 14: No worries.

[2:07:00] Voice 14: Thank you, Will.

[2:07:02] Voice 15: Hi,

[2:29:47] Voice 14: it's Will. You might want to just turn off your video until the

[2:29:51] Voice 14: LTC is ready for you. Sure. Can you

[2:29:54] Voice 14: hear me? I sure can. Okay.

[2:31:46] Voice 7: So,

[2:31:47] Voice 15: hi, Will. We're back.

[2:31:56] Voice 3: Yeah, we're still recording and live streaming.

[2:31:58] Voice 3: All

[2:31:59] Voice 12: right. So then welcome back from our lunch recess.

[2:32:03] Voice 12: And we're going to go immediately into in-camera.

[2:32:06] Voice 12: And I have a motion in our main meeting agenda here,

[2:32:11] Voice 12: if one of the trustees would like to make that motion.

[2:32:14] Voice 12: And there's nothing new to add.

[2:32:16] Voice 12: Actually, what we have here is sufficient.

[2:32:18] Voice 3: Do you want me to read it?

[2:32:19] Voice 12: Yes, please.

[2:32:19] Voice 12: I'll

[2:32:20] Voice 3: make that motion.

[2:32:20] Voice 3: I move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91F and I, for the purpose of considering law enforcement if the Council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment,

[2:32:44] Voice 3: and the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege including communications

[2:32:50] Voice 3: necessary for that purpose and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting

[2:32:55] Voice 12: moved and seconded

[2:32:58] Voice 12: thank you toby and um all those in favor that carries we'll now go in camera we'll just give

[2:33:06] Voice 12: a moment for the recording to stop and streaming okay um so welcome back everybody um to our

[2:33:13] Voice 12: meeting we've been in camera to discuss a variety of matters um and what i'd like to rise and

[2:33:22] Voice 12: report from that

[2:33:23] Voice 15: meeting

[2:33:24] Voice 12: is that there'll be a couple of motions here before we conclude

[2:33:31] Voice 12: the meeting actually but as discussed in the meeting it's been determined that

[2:33:35] Voice 12: that we will be asking staff to bring about a summary report

[2:33:42] Voice 12: to the local trust committee regarding much island

[2:33:45] Voice 12: compliance and enforcement, and provide a webinar on bylaw

[2:33:52] Voice 12: enforcement associated with activities on that island.

[2:33:56] Voice 12: And the final item is that with respect

[2:34:00] Voice 12: of administrative experience complaint that we have been analyzing um with respect to um

[2:34:09] Voice 12: central holdings development permit application that um a response from the ltc be forwarded to

[2:34:17] Voice 12: the um complaint that's good all right so that's our riser report so they're gonna

[2:34:26] Voice 15: So

[2:34:27] Voice 5: for bylaw enforcement, could we get an LPC resolution requesting the setup of the webinars?

[2:34:33] Voice 12: Yes. So that's what I want to do now before I go into the original report.

[2:34:38] Voice 12: So I want a motion

[2:34:39] Voice 9: to

[2:34:40] Voice 12: do those two things.

[2:34:45] Voice 12: help us out with the wording great webinar

[2:34:48] Voice 12: regarding

[2:34:49] Voice 5: bylaw enforcement issues and files

[2:34:53] Voice 5: on Mudger Island. Thank you.

[2:34:55] Voice 5: And a bylaw enforcement report for the entire Gabriel Island Local

[2:35:01] Voice 5: Trust Area at a future meeting.

[2:35:03] Voice 15: Right. So let's just see if we got that motion. The

[2:35:12] Voice 3: But staff provide a webinar regarding by-law enforcement issues on by-laws on Mudge Island

[2:35:19] Voice 3: and by-law enforcement issues on Gabriel Island.

[2:35:23] Voice 5: So the second part is providing a staff report to the Local Trust Committee regarding by-law

[2:35:31] Voice 5: enforcement on Mudge Island or the Gabriel Island local trust area.

[2:35:36] Voice 3: So give

[2:35:37] Voice 3: you a chance to get that and

[2:35:39] Voice 5: then read it back.

[2:35:40] Voice 3: And that includes Mudge Island, right?

[2:35:41] Voice 3: yes

[2:35:41] Voice 5: so same area so that we've got to break it down to gabriel and she'll separate it

[2:35:47] Voice 3: okay

[2:35:48] Voice 3: okay i'm sorry i'm a little confused now i

[2:35:51] Voice 3: think there should be two or two separate

[2:35:53] Voice 3: motions a webinar regarding bylaw enforcement issues on lunch island kama and a staff report

[2:35:59] Voice 3: to the local trust committee on enforcement files and the gabriella lta yes okay

[2:36:11] Voice 3: Okay, provide a webinar regarding enforcement issues on bylaws on Lodge Island and providing

[2:36:19] Voice 3: a staff report to the local trust committee on enforcement files on the Gabriel Island

[2:36:24] Voice 3: local trust area.

[2:36:26] Voice 3: So could we have that first motion separate and then I'll be happy to move that first

[2:36:30] Voice 3: one.

[2:36:32] Voice 12: And because we want something different on the site?

[2:36:34] Voice 3: No, no, but shouldn't they just be separate?

[2:36:36] Voice 12: No.

[2:36:36] Voice 12: them. If there's necessity to have discussion on individual

[2:36:41] Voice 12: elements of motion, yes. But in the case of where we're likely

[2:36:46] Voice 12: in agreement, then it just

[2:36:48] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:36:52] Voice 12: So that's good move. Do I have secondary second?

[2:36:58] Voice 12: Okay, so is that sufficient on that front? Yes, sir. Thank you

[2:37:01] Voice 12: for your help. So then, I think the other item then to follow up

[2:37:07] Voice 12: from our in camera is um emotional on the lines of um that after consideration

[2:37:17] Voice 12: government local trust committee after consideration of a complaint received from

[2:37:25] Voice 12: that uh response be made to the complex

[2:37:33] Voice 3: i would be very happy to make that motion

[2:37:39] Voice 15: Perfect. Do

[2:37:40] Voice 3: we need to describe the response or just think a response?

[2:37:43] Voice 3: Very good.

[2:37:44] Voice 12: And essentially that's what has been drafted.

[2:37:46] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:37:47] Voice 5: So I think you should specify the response you're referring to.

[2:37:52] Voice 5: If you have something.

[2:37:55] Voice 5: Based

[2:37:55] Voice 3: on a draft.

[2:37:56] Voice 10: What's the date of the letter?

[2:37:58] Voice 3: 22, January 22.

[2:38:00] Voice 10: So based upon the draft of January 22, 2021.

[2:38:06] Voice 3: Oh, sorry.

[2:38:07] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:38:08] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:38:09] Voice 3: Can I move that since I dropped it over there? I just thought maybe you didn't want to move it.

[2:38:13] Voice 3: I don't believe it.

[2:38:15] Voice 3: Okay, so

[2:38:16] Voice 12: move by a second.

[2:38:18] Voice 3: April LTC responds to the administrative fairness complaint with the letter dropped on January 22nd, 2024.

[2:38:26] Voice 3: I will second that.

[2:38:29] Voice 4: Good. Okay, we got all those papers.

[2:38:33] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:38:34] Voice 12: I think that concludes our coming up cameras.

[2:38:38] Voice 15: And

[2:38:38] Voice 12: we finished up Section 12 reports.

[2:38:45] Voice 12: Just looking through this,

[2:38:47] Voice 12: a touch conservancy report,

[2:38:48] Voice 12: nothing on our agenda today.

[2:38:51] Voice 12: Application reports,

[2:38:52] Voice 12: are there any questions for staff

[2:38:54] Voice 12: about applications on the bottom?

[2:38:57] Voice 3: I think I kind of,

[2:38:58] Voice 3: I already asked my question,

[2:39:00] Voice 3: you know, to call it action.

[2:39:04] Voice 12: I'll continue, Chloe.

[2:39:05] Voice 3: So

[2:39:06] Voice 12: trustee local expense report,

[2:39:08] Voice 12: that's for information.

[2:39:09] Voice 12: We'll receive that.

[2:39:11] Voice 12: Adopted policies and standing resolutions and we'll receive that unless there's a potential third amendment.

[2:39:16] Voice 3: A really quick question, and this goes back to my child.

[2:39:19] Voice 3: One of the complainants asked me whether our standing resolution with regard to deferring bylaw enforcement on non-compliant housing also applies to my child.

[2:39:31] Voice 3: And I didn't think it did because they have a separate.

[2:39:36] Voice 3: And I wasn't sure.

[2:39:37] Voice 5: Right. So, Chair, out of an abundance of caution.

[2:39:41] Voice 5: uh because i don't believe it was clear at the time the moment it was adopted it was not clear

[2:39:47] Voice 5: to me that it excluded much right so

[2:39:50] Voice 5: just that's okay

[2:39:52] Voice 5: compared to those pond yeah i

[2:39:54] Voice 5: said okay it

[2:39:55] Voice 5: applies to the entire gabriel island local trust area right the

[2:39:58] Voice 5: ldc can certainly change that

[2:40:01] Voice 5: exclude them if you wish or make a separate resolution for much because they're covered

[2:40:06] Voice 5: by a separate land use model yeah

[2:40:08] Voice 3: what does our exact standing resolution say because we might

[2:40:11] Voice 3: need to strengthen that otherwise i forgot i

[2:40:15] Voice 5: think it just stays gabriel i

[2:40:17] Voice 3: think it does too

[2:40:18] Voice 5: so we

[2:40:20] Voice 12: can seek advice from staff for you to amend it for our next step team

[2:40:26] Voice 12: and

[2:40:27] Voice 3: whether we want to amend it and that's a different question consideration

[2:40:31] Voice 5: yeah and that

[2:40:32] Voice 5: could be incorporated with the report review your standing resolution to make amendments yeah so

[2:40:39] Voice 5: you're going

[2:40:40] Voice 12: to pick that up we don't need to go that direction no you've always

[2:40:43] Voice 12: that sounds all

[2:40:43] Voice 12: right very good excellent good

[2:40:46] Voice 12: okay level code trust committee web page the website

[2:40:51] Voice 12: don't seem to be working better which is good news uh climate change action updates this is

[2:40:56] Voice 12: kind of a new item which i see popping up everywhere i

[2:41:00] Voice 15: don't

[2:41:02] Voice 12: know that we have anything

[2:41:02] Voice 12: i

[2:41:03] Voice 15: think it's a

[2:41:04] Voice 12: standing item that as work is underway it will be looked at

[2:41:12] Voice 12: but i think it's worthy of noting tell me if i'm wrong uh thank you by the way i didn't

[2:41:19] Voice 12: acknowledge you joined us this afternoon we're very happy you did you did but there's two

[2:41:25] Voice 12: of the interesting things associated with the work of the honest trust and that we look at

[2:41:29] Voice 12: everything that we do now through two new lenses one being climate change and the other being

[2:41:36] Voice 12: uh first nations reconciliation so all of that is continuous and ongoing

[2:41:44] Voice 12: okay uh first nations relationship uh building update um can i say i'm gonna say we're hoping

[2:41:53] Voice 12: to meet with us in the name of First Nations in the coming weeks and we perhaps will have

[2:42:00] Voice 12: an opportunity for them to report to us. Is that reasonable? Yeah. Okay. Work program, active projects.

[2:42:09] Voice 12: Anybody want to change that?

[2:42:11] Voice 15: No. Then

[2:42:12] Voice 12: let's receive that information. Future projects report dated

[2:42:17] Voice 12: 14. Help me out. There was consideration of adding, adding, we did that by motion earlier,

[2:42:25] Voice 12: adding housing, future housing, short-term vacation rental options associated with the

[2:42:31] Voice 12: TUPs and so on.

[2:42:32] Voice 3: So the future projects, the first item is Decoracy Island OCP and LUV

[2:42:37] Voice 3: review. The short-term vacation rent will just be added under

[2:42:40] Voice 3: that. It's in future.

[2:42:42] Voice 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[2:42:43] Voice 3: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I actually did have a question. There's, I'm sorry, going back to the applications, I didn't realize how many open applications for short-term vacation rentals there are. Most have been referred to since the First Nation.

[2:43:03] Voice 3: So how does that, I guess, staff will have some conversation about with the applicants about how our opting in potential could affect them in November because we don't want them to apply pay a fee, and if they don't need the principal residency requirement, goodbye.

[2:43:21] Voice 3: by.

[2:43:23] Voice 5: So yeah, through the chair, the file managers or the planners

[2:43:29] Voice 5: assigned filled applications will likely reach out to

[2:43:32] Voice 5: applicants to inform them. And then if there's some, it will

[2:43:40] Voice 5: be up to the applicant to decide what they want to do with their

[2:43:42] Voice 5: application. If they withdraw it, then there will be it will

[2:43:46] Voice 5: go to our fees by law to see if they would they would be

[2:43:49] Voice 5: eligible for for some form of refund or some portion of the feedback um they may want to

[2:43:54] Voice 5: proceed and in that case though you know they could do that um and then there's a possibility

[2:44:00] Voice 5: for them to still meet that principal residential requirement um in those spaces and they may wish

[2:44:06] Voice 5: to proceed okay

[2:44:07] Voice 15: that was

[2:44:11] Voice 10: all my questions good so

[2:44:15] Voice 10: i think that concludes that section i think

[2:44:17] Voice 10: next meeting is uh march the 21st here here in person

[2:44:24] Voice 3: i'm actually hoping to be elsewhere uh

[2:44:29] Voice 3: there's an island indigenous food gathering on the 21st and 22nd it's in um it's rupert

[2:44:38] Voice 3: it's pretty far away but uh there's a zoom in well there yeah there's a potential so um

[2:44:44] Voice 3: I know there's no wiggle room to change the date, but I think it would be a good opportunity to build a relationship.

[2:44:55] Voice 12: So are

[2:44:55] Voice 12: we talking about...

[2:44:57] Voice 12: There may

[2:44:58] Voice 3: be a way, but I would zoom in without meeting, potentially, but we'll

[2:45:03] Voice 3: do it first.

[2:45:06] Voice 12: That sounds fine.

[2:45:10] Voice 12: unless and I think we should um continue to sustain the opportunities

[2:45:16] Voice 10: of public to attend

[2:45:17] Voice 10: absolutely

[2:45:17] Voice 3: yeah we have lots of people okay

[2:45:19] Voice 10: so then that's fine yeah um I think that concludes

[2:45:23] Voice 10: our business today if there's no further business I'd ask for adjournment I

[2:45:26] Voice 3: move to adjourn thank

[2:45:27] Voice 10: you that was my favorite that's

[2:45:30] Voice 12: great thank you it was good to see

[2:45:33] Voice 3: you 30 on the no we did it

[2:45:35] Voice 3: And

[2:45:36] Voice 12: so if I could get a ride to the ferry, I

[2:45:37] Voice 3: would take a ride to the ferry.

[2:45:39] Voice 3: Bye all.