Islands Trust Council community information meeting, March 4, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 12: and the recording.

[0:00:11] Voice 12: Okay, you're good to go.

[0:00:14] Voice 12: Thank you, Will.

[0:00:17] Voice 12: Hello, good evening, everyone.

[0:00:19] Voice 12: Members of the Luskegee Local Trust Committee,

[0:00:23] Voice 12: members of the public,

[0:00:24] Voice 12: very happy to see so many of you here today.

[0:00:27] Voice 12: As always, we want to begin by acknowledging

[0:00:30] Voice 12: that the land and the waters on which we're living

[0:00:34] Voice 12: and working are the traditional, ancestral,

[0:00:36] Voice 12: ancestral and current territories of many Coast Salish First Nations and I was actually looking

[0:00:42] Voice 12: at which nations have territorial interests and rights here and I just wanted to read them out

[0:00:48] Voice 12: because I think often we skip by so quickly and say well Coast Salish peoples but these are

[0:00:55] Voice 12: different times and I want to take this space to just acknowledge that many many folks have

[0:01:02] Voice 12: been calling these islands home for a very long time um so the skidi were in the territorial area

[0:01:09] Voice 12: of cowichan tribes pomox first nation liakson qualicum uh seashells guamish

[0:01:31] Voice 12: Tla'aman, this is actually a treaty area for the Tla'aman people, it's Basit, Wiwaiqan,

[0:01:43] Voice 12: Wiwaiqai, Tla'alt, I think that's it.

[0:01:48] Voice 12: Justice, do you have any thoughts about the local knowledge of this?

[0:01:59] Voice 12: um yeah did you want to offer any thoughts about

[0:02:09] Voice 10: um just thank you chair for uh houses for volume out there

[0:02:16] Voice 10: good yeah okay uh thank you chair for taking the time to mention the name of all of those nations

[0:02:25] Voice 10: Certainly, we're in a different era in terms of the province's DRIPA declaration and the

[0:02:36] rights of

[0:02:37] Voice 10: First Nations, which of course are consistently being upheld by the courts.

[0:02:45] Voice 10: Just a bit of that.

[0:02:47] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:02:48] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:02:51] Voice 12: okay so we do want to acknowledge that while there's a historical relationship there is a

[0:02:58] Voice 12: present day relationship but we're still navigating how to do governance in in all of

[0:03:04] Voice 12: the islands that we're trusted to to make land use decisions from um so i'm joined today by

[0:03:11] Voice 12: your local trustees kim peterson sorry and our island planner steven claw thank you

[0:03:20] Voice 12: you. Catherine Boat, our minute taker, is in the background. Hello, Catherine. And we're

[0:03:27] Voice 12: supportive. This is probably the last meeting that Will in the office in the North Island

[0:03:34] Voice 12: will be helping us folks because she's retiring and we're all very sad. Will has been an incredible

[0:03:41] Voice 12: administrative support in all things in the North Island. So this meeting is being recorded

[0:03:48] Voice 12: and live stream just so that you know and it'll be uploaded about five days afterwards um i do

[0:03:54] Voice 12: want to just recall everyone that we have a protocol in place for how to address the local

[0:04:01] Voice 12: trust committee that's in the workplace and so the regular um principles and respect decorum

[0:04:07] Voice 12: and kindness let's all be kind to one another um i'll review sort of the meeting uh procedures

[0:04:14] Voice 12: Just a few things about agreement on the length of time and when what you can speak to.

[0:04:25] Voice 12: We are dealing with some applications today so the applicants will have time to speak to their application when we come to that part of the agenda.

[0:04:34] Voice 12: But members of the public, if you wanted to give comments on the application or anything in this agenda today,

[0:04:41] Voice 12: your time is during the town hall which we have two about 11 20 shortly and then one at

[0:04:48] Voice 12: note oh we can have another

[0:04:50] Voice 12: one if everybody wants to if you have more

[0:04:52] Voice 12: things to say you can

[0:04:52] Voice 12: always add another town hall um there's no delegations today so that will call the meeting

[0:04:59] Voice 12: to order i guess i should have done that first 1105 and approve the agenda is there anything to

[0:05:06] Voice 12: add or amend

[0:05:22] Voice 10: okay

[0:05:23] Voice 12: so under new business uh we'll add 11.3 consideration of

[0:05:37] Voice 12: dust and bones film screenings catherine

[0:05:41] Voice 12: okay so i'll take it by general consent we'll approve the agenda as amended

[0:05:49] Voice 12: and get into our reports so trustees um it's away

[0:05:58] Voice 10: uh not a lot to report on the local uh trust committee front um we haven't had a meeting since

[0:06:05] Voice 10: since December 11th. But on the Trust Council front, of course, the Financial Planning Committee

[0:06:16] Voice 10: has been meeting in preparation for March's Trust Council budget deliberations and there's

[0:06:25] Voice 10: been a lot of work done there to try and reduce the potential tax increase and of course that

[0:06:33] Voice 10: will be finally decided by press council as a whole um the other thing that's been going on a

[0:06:40] Voice 10: lot a lot of meetings is the uh hiring committee for the new chief administrative officer who's

[0:06:46] Voice 10: in june so there's a lot of time that's been spent to to uh get ourselves set up for a good process

[0:06:55] Voice 10: for that so i'll leave it at that today

[0:06:56] Voice 14: also

[0:07:01] Voice 12: not a lot to report here it's that quiet time of year

[0:07:07] Voice 12: but um as we are going to cover in the agenda the new rules passed down by the bc government

[0:07:14] Voice 12: or

[0:07:15] Voice 11: church from rental is something that's super interesting and the trust area has not yet decided

[0:07:20] Voice 11: if it's something we're going to adopt so that will be i believe a discussion i just got the

[0:07:24] Voice 11: agenda this morning i'm 100 sure but on the

[0:07:27] Voice 12: trust council we'll definitely be talking about it and

[0:07:30] Voice 12: how it affects even if it's something we want so and it's a very very interesting because it's

[0:07:37] Voice 11: most when they there's new rules it's everything's grappled in and that's not going to be happening

[0:07:42] Voice 11: with this short-term rental it's all

[0:07:45] Voice 12: new so that's about

[0:07:47] Voice 12: it thank you yes in this agenda there is a

[0:07:52] Voice 12: report from staff uh about the implications of the new housing statutes bill 44 and the

[0:08:00] Voice 12: short-term vacation accommodations rentals bill um it's actually yes we'll discuss that when it

[0:08:07] Voice 12: come to it it's actually up to each local trust committee to decide if they want to opt in uh so

[0:08:14] Voice 12: we'll have that discussion um i i don't think there's any implications for liskiti but um

[0:08:21] Voice 12: definitely are

[0:08:22] Voice 12: seen on some other islands that don't

[0:08:24] Voice 12: have or they want

[0:08:26] Voice 12: those provincial

[0:08:29] Voice 12: sort of

[0:08:30] Voice 12: enforcement measures, they are

[0:08:32] Voice 12: choosing to opt in. So we have a chance

[0:08:34] Voice 12: to see how that's going to work on other

[0:08:36] Voice 12: islands, and there will be another

[0:08:38] Voice 12: chance every year to opt in

[0:08:40] Voice 12: or not. So anyway, we can get into that later.

[0:08:42] Voice 12: For my chair's report,

[0:08:45] Voice 12: I'm involved in the regional

[0:08:46] Voice 12: planning committee, and that's

[0:08:48] Voice 12: been doing some

[0:08:50] Voice 12: Good work. We've only got a modest budget request for $30,000 in the next budget to support the housing strategy action plan.

[0:09:01] Voice 12: So there's been a housing toolkit developed with a whole raft of policy options that a local trust committee can say,

[0:09:11] Voice 12: oh, we want that policy in our OCP. And so it sort of expands the toolkit for what is possible.

[0:09:18] Voice 12: and now we need to address the housing strategy so how are we going to work with the other level

[0:09:24] Voice 12: of government in the province to enact solutions that are appropriate for local rural islands so

[0:09:32] Voice 12: definitely not looking at a you know four plexus on every lot or to develop two densities on every

[0:09:39] Voice 12: lot that's not happening it's what is a strategy to address the current and future housing needs

[0:09:45] Voice 12: for local trust committees. By-law enforcement is sort of a theme for the Regional Planning

[0:09:52] Voice 12: and the Islands Trust if you've been watching. We did a voluntary request to the Ombudsperson's

[0:09:58] Voice 12: office to review the Islands Trust policies and practices and they've given us some really good

[0:10:05] Voice 12: suggestions that staff are going to be working to implement and that's going to staff will work with

[0:10:10] Voice 12: regional planning committee to review assess implement the recommendations through changes

[0:10:16] Voice 12: in policy practices and staff training and communication so that's probably going to

[0:10:21] Voice 12: roll out over the next year and a half um so it's going to be slow changes but um probably more in

[0:10:28] Voice 12: the area of communication like what is the bylaw complaints policy how does that work in practice

[0:10:35] Voice 12: and if you have issues like what is the process that people can follow um the province just on

[0:10:42] Voice 12: the housing front I don't know if everybody knows this because it just came out a month ago maybe

[0:10:48] Voice 12: the province has expanded the secondary suite incentive program so I don't know if that could

[0:10:54] Voice 12: apply for Laskiri but this is you can get up to forty thousand dollars in a forgivable loan

[0:11:00] Voice 12: to build a new secondary suite in your house and so that is a new support for the provincial

[0:11:08] Voice 12: government and includes regional districts so previously were excluded now regional districts

[0:11:13] Voice 12: are a part of that homeowners must be located on the same property and the unit must be rented out

[0:11:19] Voice 12: at below market rates which are set by bc housing so this is specifically to incentivize

[0:11:24] Voice 12: rental streets for housing and finally on the housing front not all i do but it's just been

[0:11:31] Voice 12: a busy month on that we are doing housing needs assessments but we received a grant from the

[0:11:39] Voice 12: deputy minister of housing for 127 000 to do those housing needs assessments so um that's not

[0:11:46] Voice 12: going to be money that comes out of local government or our island's trust budget so

[0:11:52] Voice 12: So all of the housing needs assessments are due to be updated this coming fiscal year.

[0:11:56] Voice 12: So that's going to save trust area residents about $110,000 that otherwise would have had to be put in the budget.

[0:12:02] Voice 12: So thankful to the province for kicking in some money there.

[0:12:07] Voice 12: And that's probably it for my report.

[0:12:12] Voice 12: Sorry, that was very housing focused.

[0:12:17] Okay.

[0:12:18] Voice 12: We don't have an electoral area director's report.

[0:12:21] Voice 12: i saw director fall and he was running for the ferry um he said there's no update on the wildfire

[0:12:29] Voice 12: urban interface program but he'll let us know as communications hold up i think he's going to a

[0:12:37] Voice 12: climate caucus or something anyway he was in a rush he said he sends his apologies all right

[0:12:45] Voice 12: so let's move into town hall um so this is your opportunity to address the local trust committee

[0:12:51] Voice 12: uh on three things matters that are relevant to local trust committee first so business that's

[0:12:57] Voice 12: on this agenda preferably um matters of regional importance or things that you see in the trust

[0:13:03] Voice 12: council area generally um so we do uh request that everyone directs comments to the ltc

[0:13:11] Voice 12: not to the audience or staff if we need to ask staff a question we can ask them a question

[0:13:16] Voice 12: or we'll check back for information and come back to you sometimes we don't have all the

[0:13:21] Voice 12: information right at our fingertips but I know your local trustees are very responsive and we'll

[0:13:26] Voice 12: try to get your answers speak to the issue at hand not to other individuals be clear concise

[0:13:32] Voice 12: and respectful I'll ask each speaker to limit themselves to three minutes until we've gone

[0:13:38] Voice 12: through everybody who wants to speak and then if you want to speak a second time put up your hand

[0:13:43] Voice 12: it will give you some extra time but if we go overly long I may have to just cut it short so

[0:13:48] Voice 12: we can all get back to our whatever we're doing today all right who would like to yes can I just

[0:13:56] Voice 12: see a show of hands in general who would like to speak just so I get it one two three four five

[0:14:01] Voice 12: five, six. Anybody else? Okay. Let's just start in the and go. There's a

[0:14:11] Voice 11: microphone. I don't need

[0:14:12] Voice 11: it. I'm sure you'll hear me. Okay. Thank you. My name is Susan Morrison. And I'm here to speak in

[0:14:19] Voice 11: favor of the recommendation of the staff recommendation in the report that states to

[0:14:24] Voice 11: proceed no further with the application, I believe that 7.1 on your agenda. I think the staff report

[0:14:31] Voice 11: is well set out i think it explains exactly why i feel this way i wrote a letter earlier um we've

[0:14:38] Voice 11: just been going through a huge ocp review in which the community really stated quite clear that they

[0:14:44] Voice 11: would like to reduce our carbon footprint um i think going ahead with something like this simply

[0:14:49] Voice 11: gives more leeway to more vehicles that can provide us with more carbon so i really do

[0:14:57] Voice 11: to support the staff reporting is well done thank you very much

[0:15:00] Voice 12: okay thank you um moving this way

[0:15:06] Voice 12: sir oh i'm i first of all would one of you tell sonja that we don't have a bylaw enforcement

[0:15:13] Voice 12: notification but we don't have

[0:15:16] Voice 12: a ben bylaw no no it's in

[0:15:20] Voice 12: her report it's in the agenda package

[0:15:24] Voice 12: Yeah, I did notice that so we can check into that. Thank you.

[0:15:29] Voice 12: I'm here primarily to talk about the application and I support what Susan just said.

[0:15:37] Voice 12: To me, since there has been a community plan, we've not favoured private docks.

[0:15:45] Voice 12: to discourage them. We encourage communal dock or community docks or neighborhood docks.

[0:15:52] Voice 12: There is a public access to the grave fairly closely where that is, and that would be nice

[0:15:58] Voice 12: to have. I would support that. But basically, my point of view is that it doesn't add anything

[0:16:04] Voice 12: to the public to have a private dock. In fact, it takes away the availability of a small

[0:16:11] Voice 12: a small amount of foreshore from the public to wander on to do whatever they want, it's public.

[0:16:18] Voice 12: When there's a private dock over it and on it, it removes that piece from the public access.

[0:16:28] Voice 12: Well, that's it for now.

[0:16:31] Voice 12: Thank you, sir.

[0:16:35] Voice 12: I'd like to get some clarity on the rules of engagement, so to speak.

[0:16:40] Voice 12: You made it pretty clear that my FOI requests, and I have 206 different pages of documents, that I'm not allowed to discuss them or quote from them or contextualize them. Is that true?

[0:16:58] Voice 12: they are considered public as soon as a member requests them what you choose to do with that

[0:17:06] Voice 12: is your business so i can't constrain you as a member of the public from doing what you wish

[0:17:12] Voice 12: with information that you have obtained under the freedom of information request act well there is

[0:17:18] Voice 12: no prohibition against quoting from documents i received from an foi if you wish but i would say

[0:17:26] Voice 12: say that I would want you to keep your comments as a non-personal nature. And so we are here

[0:17:36] Voice 12: to speak about business. And so if your quotes are to do with the business of the trust,

[0:17:43] Voice 12: then we can address that. If not, they don't have a place here.

[0:17:47] Voice 12: This is much better than your previous.

[0:17:49] Voice 12: as you may so we're not going to engage in debate

[0:17:52] Voice 12: how about emails sent by trustees to me am i allowed to contextualize those and quote from them

[0:18:06] Voice 12: that they affect the local trust committee i'm not the authority on your personal emails

[0:18:17] Voice 12: okay so i can reference emails from the trustees do you have anything that you want to

[0:18:25] Voice 12: um speak to about the business before i'm just

[0:18:29] Voice 12: trying to clarify the rule could this be done

[0:18:31] Voice 12: in an email could we do this in an email and not during the local trust meeting okay then

[0:18:41] Voice 12: just for clarity i have a member if i make an foi request and i get documents and records and emails

[0:18:49] Voice 12: that relate to the local trust committee business that I'm allowed to quote and read from there

[0:18:56] Voice 12: during this meeting. As long as it relates to the jurisdiction of the local trust committee

[0:19:03] Voice 12: or items within the jurisdiction and it's not defamatory. Of course not defamatory or anything

[0:19:09] Voice 12: like that. I don't really understand what you're getting at but I don't. Because before you told

[0:19:17] Voice 12: me i couldn't quote from or read from or refer to because now you're telling me i can so

[0:19:24] Voice 12: is that

[0:19:25] Voice 12: what you're telling me that i can items of a personal nature do

[0:19:29] Voice 9: not need to be considered

[0:19:32] Voice 12: give it a shot see what you want to say and see if it's shutting down

[0:19:38] Voice 12: no no we'll just leave it with that thank you thank

[0:19:41] Voice 14: you

[0:19:43] Voice 14: others

[0:19:44] Voice 12: in the minutes on page um this is from the december 11 23 um on page nine you've changed my

[0:19:56] Voice 12: name four times oh is this um mr on page nine okay halfway down you've changed my name oh dear

[0:20:05] Voice 12: four times that's not a good thing um so you presented a delegation it was excellent and

[0:20:12] Voice 12: your name for the record is darwin d-a-r-w-i-n you got it right on page eight okay then it's

[0:20:22] Voice 12: wrong on the rest of them excellent thank you for those corrections mr darwin okay

[0:20:27] Voice 13: thank you um i

[0:20:29] Voice 13: I would like to speak quickly in favor of the private

[0:20:34] Voice 9: dock, particularly the one in Scotty Bay.

[0:20:37] Voice 9: The beach walk in the area of that is

[0:20:40] Voice 10: untenable, and nobody can get to it unless you kayak into it.

[0:20:45] Voice 10: It's steep and rocky.

[0:20:48] Voice 10: The place that Peter Johnson is referring to as a public access is a mud flat.

[0:20:55] Voice 10: It's a boot-sucking mud flat.

[0:20:57] Voice 12: that and the people that own the adjacent property have uh what do you call the right

[0:21:05] Voice 12: separate view rights on anything and like the the um in front of their property where this thing

[0:21:14] Voice 12: would have to go if it was done where peter johnson is pushing it um and refer to other

[0:21:20] Voice 12: community members you're

[0:21:21] Voice 13: talking to us okay and and uh it would need a fear in

[0:21:29] Voice 12: part in excess

[0:21:30] Voice 12: of what the pure the short period that on the uh out of ontario application uh it

[0:21:38] Voice 8: drives out

[0:21:38] Voice 9: um from the public access there it drives out almost 120 feet and it's mud and it's shallow

[0:21:46] Voice 9: out. And it stipulates rules stipulate that a float cannot touch the

[0:21:51] Voice 12: bottom of low tide.

[0:21:54] Voice 12: So I'm in support of Amazon application, and I'm going to work towards getting people to

[0:22:08] Voice 12: local people to have a look at the bylaw that states that you can't have dogs on public.

[0:22:14] Voice 12: it because Tim said he's got two letters that's it all right and we didn't build the fire we didn't

[0:22:22] Voice 12: even try to build the fire so we're going to

[0:22:25] Voice 12: try to get some more input on this to see whether

[0:22:29] Voice 12: people actually want it so your proposal is in support of the application I'm not unclear what

[0:22:38] Voice 12: what you mean by get more public input?

[0:22:40] Voice 12: Well, this is from my deposition to you,

[0:22:45] Voice 12: getting the bylaw change to allow

[0:22:53] Voice 8: a private doc

[0:22:56] Voice 8: on the very few places on West Fiji

[0:23:00] Voice 8: that it's actually physically possible to do so.

[0:23:02] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:23:03] Voice 8: This is an untenable location.

[0:23:05] Voice 12: I'm clear, thank you, now.

[0:23:06] Voice 12: Okay. Okay.

[0:23:09] Voice 12: And then the other thing in the local newspaper, it states that on March 20th, the chair chased a man out waving a phone at him.

[0:23:20] Voice 12: And I would assume that you were recording it at the time, but I'd like some clarification on that issue because it's in the local paper on page 10.

[0:23:31] Voice 8: And it seems to be outside

[0:23:34] Voice 12: of normal decorum when this is involved.

[0:23:38] Voice 12: sure would you like me to read what was in the little paper i haven't read it but i will read

[0:23:44] Voice 12: it to you okay all right here elliott displayed a remarkable combination of exuberance for all

[0:23:50] Voice 12: things the staff and trustees

[0:23:51] Voice 8: said and an over 15 for anything coming from the public

[0:23:57] Voice 12: so sorry

[0:23:58] Voice 8: i'm just going to

[0:23:59] Voice 12: stop you there because this is actually personal and it's um it's really

[0:24:05] Voice 9: Well,

[0:24:06] Voice 12: it's describing me from the point of view of somebody who thinks that they're just

[0:24:12] Voice 12: characterizing me as an unfair...

[0:24:16] Voice 10: Then you chase the man outside into the parking lot and we're waving your cell phone

[0:24:20] Voice 10: in his face.

[0:24:21] Voice 10: And I'd

[0:24:22] Voice 12: just like to know, were you recording him and could you clear the issue by making

[0:24:26] Voice 12: the video public?

[0:24:29] Voice 12: No, I was not recording anyone.

[0:24:31] Voice 12: anyone and um if i chased anyone it was probably to get clarity on something that they'd said we

[0:24:38] Voice 12: were on a break if i recall and they left and i wanted to know if i'd said something that was

[0:24:46] Voice 12: wrong and if they wanted to come back and finish the piece of business that they sort of started

[0:24:51] Voice 12: so okay

[0:24:52] Voice 2: so then the best

[0:24:53] Voice 12: as i can remember from a year ago it didn't stand

[0:24:56] Voice 12: out in my mind as a

[0:24:57] Voice 12: significant event but apparently the local paper is very i will be careful to very decorous

[0:25:05] Voice 13: okay anybody

[0:25:10] Voice 12: else yes sir i just i'm in full support of uh john kerry's application on the

[0:25:19] Voice 12: dock our family has the only department dock in sliding bay and uh we're kind of tired of people

[0:25:25] Voice 12: use virus like you think it's there so just completely by the property

[0:25:28] Voice 14: that

[0:25:29] Voice 12: dock it hasn't

[0:25:30] Voice 12: has it done professionally had environmentally impact study on it you did everything in place

[0:25:35] Voice 12: and you did a professional job it's nothing to worry about it and it's not anybody's way

[0:25:40] Voice 12: there's no way anybody wants to be just it's very steep but you're not the ramp's four feet wide

[0:25:48] Voice 12: if you think four feet wide and the island the size is imposing on on your face you know that's

[0:25:54] Voice 12: It's called a false bait, as it is a false bait.

[0:25:58] Voice 12: If anybody knows that Southwest comes in there, it's not a safe type for anybody.

[0:26:02] Voice 12: Scooty Bay is not a joke.

[0:26:03] Voice 12: It's got a rock right in the middle of it, but there's no room to do anything.

[0:26:07] Voice 14: So

[0:26:07] Voice 12: you're forcing somebody to take his boat and all their boats,

[0:26:10] Voice 12: assume they don't have their own rock, and tie it with a false bait,

[0:26:12] Voice 12: which is completely unsafe, and there's no room in there.

[0:26:15] Voice 12: The boats, there's lots of damage down the boats there.

[0:26:17] Voice 12: And this is probably based on the safe business statement,

[0:26:21] Voice 12: vibrant all the speed and and as a safety factor if there's ever a fire at falls bay or anything

[0:26:28] it's an access off the island and azimuth has

[0:26:31] Voice 12: generously offered it to the public

[0:26:32] Voice 12: in case of emergency and which has happened there's a launch to attest to i mean there's

[0:26:40] Voice 12: absolutely no reason to have to cancel this application and furthermore if you look around

[0:26:46] Voice 12: the island which you probably haven't there's probably 50 50 morning boys that are none of

[0:26:51] Voice 12: to register to leave and they've gone about eelgrass so they're ready ready maple babies

[0:26:55] Voice 12: are full of eelgrass they live there

[0:26:57] Voice 14: and

[0:26:58] Voice 12: every morning we had the junk chain on it and a little

[0:27:01] Voice 12: tide we could do a sloth of probably 60 feet to 60 feet put around eelgrass at least so very much

[0:27:07] Voice 12: precious eelgrass and they're everywhere they're not over a registered illegal to my knowledge

[0:27:14] Voice 12: everybody allows them everywhere spring bay scotty bay maple bay paul state everywhere and if you

[0:27:20] Voice 12: You have to line up on the dock with pilots stuck in and it's done.

[0:27:23] Voice 12: And there's a whole ecosystem under every dock, as anybody knows.

[0:27:26] Voice 12: It's just like the shade of the shadow.

[0:27:29] Voice 12: I mean, every dock is a plus for everything.

[0:27:33] Voice 12: And the city needs more docks.

[0:27:35] Voice 12: The ferry has been unreliable.

[0:27:38] Voice 12: And to have private docks, people can get fuel over it.

[0:27:41] Voice 12: The fuel has been very unreliable.

[0:27:42] Voice 12: So we want people to carry a jerry can up Falls Bay on the dock full of gas,

[0:27:46] Voice 12: just people who stay.

[0:27:47] Voice 12: If there's ever a fire, there's a risk to the public, whereas in a private dock, you're

[0:27:53] Voice 12: using your own dock.

[0:27:55] Voice 14: If

[0:27:55] Voice 12: anything happens to your own property, we do it on our property all the time.

[0:27:59] Voice 12: And people seem to think that they can use Scotty Bay, our dock, as their own, but they

[0:28:03] Voice 12: can't.

[0:28:03] Voice 12: So just to clarify, you own property and have a dock in Scotty Bay as well?

[0:28:08] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:28:09] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:28:12] Voice 12: That's private.

[0:28:13] Voice 12: you don't for 50 years you don't like people using it um

[0:28:20] Voice 12: it's a

[0:28:20] Voice 12: private talk if somebody yeah somebody anything happens we can go out and we have

[0:28:24] Voice 12: signs everywhere anybody slips and falls which they have i'm just trying to get clarity because

[0:28:28] Voice 12: what we're discussing is a private doc uh to my knowledge this they have not made an application

[0:28:34] Voice 12: for a community doc or a public doc so in essence it would be the same as your doc is a private doc

[0:28:40] Voice 12: and and he can let people use it we

[0:28:42] Voice 12: don't want people in our property thank you for clarifying

[0:28:57] Voice 12: okay

[0:28:58] Voice 14: thank

[0:29:00] Voice 12: you thank you for your comments yes

[0:29:04] Voice 11: right can

[0:29:06] Voice 12: i come back

[0:29:07] Voice 12: Yeah. Sure. Well, let's finish

[0:29:11] Voice 11: our call and then

[0:29:12] Voice 12: we'll come back. Thank you.

[0:29:13] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:29:14] Voice 12: Did you want to go?

[0:29:16] Voice 12: I did.

[0:29:17] Voice 12: But I was told I couldn't, so you can go ahead.

[0:29:19] Voice 12: I just want to make sure.

[0:29:26] Voice 12: First, I'd like to make some modifications about the application reporting today.

[0:29:34] Voice 12: Staff rejected it in 2020. Staff, I believe, recommended that the LTC go to court in 2023.

[0:29:46] Voice 12: My understanding is the only way to stop that court process is for the applicants to reapply.

[0:29:53] Voice 12: That's what they did last year. And now, I read in the agenda package

[0:30:00] Voice 12: that the staff recommend that the application not proceed and that they take 50% of the application

[0:30:09] Voice 12: so I'm not a lawyer but I read that Canada's criminal code has something to say about this

[0:30:17] Voice 12: place so that's about the application I'd also like to point out that I have not seen one trustee

[0:30:28] Voice 12: let our community know about this application, both the court part of it, as well as the

[0:30:35] Voice 12: application part of it. There are two newspapers on this island, there are two email lists

[0:30:41] Voice 12: on this island, and I haven't seen any of you three trustees communicate to the public

[0:30:47] Voice 12: about this. I could be wrong, maybe I missed something, but that's my observation. My questions

[0:30:56] to you or

[0:30:57] Voice 12: about your upcoming budget so is there a public consultation that's going to happen

[0:31:02] Voice 12: in the next few weeks before you have a trust council meeting no i believe a financial planning

[0:31:11] Voice 12: committee back in december it was a while ago um decided well they looked at the trends of the past

[0:31:23] Voice 12: last four years of public consultation and said, basically, we're spending taxpayer money to ask

[0:31:33] Voice 12: the taxpayers how to spend their money, but we don't have a capacity in the month before the

[0:31:40] Voice 12: budget is legislatively required to be finalized to actually make those changes. So it was felt

[0:31:49] Voice 12: that the public consultation was it just wasn't feasible we're in a really tight year and so we've

[0:31:57] Voice 12: been looking at where to cut and of course the public is always welcome to write in and uh tell

[0:32:03] Voice 12: us what where they think the um budget decision should be going so all the meetings are public

[0:32:10] Voice 12: so that's the best we can do at this point all right so my understanding last year there was

[0:32:16] Voice 12: no public consultation my understanding of the public reason for that was because it was an

[0:32:22] Voice 12: election year even though privately the staff communicated to trustees that they just didn't

[0:32:28] Voice 12: feel it was necessary the year prior to that there was a public company completely ignored

[0:32:37] Voice 6: and

[0:32:38] Voice 12: so that is the last public consultation on record and that clearly states 49% of residents

[0:32:48] Voice 12: want more budget you know increase

[0:32:50] Voice 6: 49

[0:32:52] Voice 12: % 31 an extra 31 you want no increase but together that

[0:32:58] Voice 12: makes 80 of the public pay so that is the last thing on record and all three of you will take

[0:33:07] Voice 12: that to trust and respect the public's wishes so that's a good one you're at about three minutes

[0:33:16] Voice 12: mr olson um can we come to the other lady who wanted to speak and then if you have more comments

[0:33:26] Voice 12: I would just like to say I support the application for the doc, I think

[0:33:31] Voice 12: it's a valuable asset

[0:33:33] Voice 12: for the community.

[0:33:36] Voice 12: Aslan has medical evacuations, I'm a part of the fire department, I'm a first responder

[0:33:43] Voice 12: and emergency coordinator and often the ferry isn't running, the Coast Guard can't come

[0:33:52] Voice 12: because they're on a mission, the helicopter's unavailable, and now they're going to rebuild

[0:33:58] Voice 12: the school and that's the plan, the helicopter's going to be unavailable, and we will need

[0:34:04] Voice 12: more private docs and people with boats to get people off the medical.

[0:34:08] Voice 12: He has done it in the past, and I strongly support it, and I would be more concerned about the railroading that's going on than private docks on C11.

[0:34:23] Voice 12: So, just to clarify, I'm not understanding the term railroading.

[0:34:32] Voice 12: the lack of what speaking to what dave was saying and how there was no no notification from any of

[0:34:42] Voice 12: the trustees or the island's trust about this doc application the only way i found out about it was

[0:34:49] Voice 12: when it was when they got turned down i went to the meeting at the hall during covid where we

[0:34:53] Voice 12: were allowed to meet and spoke in favor of the doc at the time and several people did

[0:34:59] Voice 12: Yes, but we were just shut down.

[0:35:02] Voice 12: It was just absolutely.

[0:35:05] Voice 12: I don't want to interrupt, but if you could make a request to the local trust committee,

[0:35:08] Voice 12: is that you're asking for more notification of people's applications,

[0:35:16] Voice 12: or just when it comes to this doc in particular?

[0:35:19] Voice 12: Everything that they're trying to do all the time, it should be made public,

[0:35:24] Voice 12: so we know what's going on.

[0:35:26] Voice 12: yeah people like three people you guys get to decide what happens to us is not okay without

[0:35:33] Voice 12: process okay okay so your request is more notification about applications in general

[0:35:39] Voice 12: and communication with community that would be a good thing

[0:35:43] Voice 12: yeah okay thank you

[0:35:45] Voice 14: yes sir

[0:35:48] Voice 12: Hi, my name is Walter. I'd like to address the bill for bylaw for short-term housing.

[0:35:58] Voice 12: I think that's more of a critical issue here in the island. I've been here kind of a short

[0:36:05] Voice 12: time, about three years, but no one's especially during the wintertime. There's such a lack

[0:36:09] Voice 12: of housing, heated areas available for a lot of locals. Some are living on a camper, the

[0:36:16] Voice 12: shacks and stuff. For a lot of summer residents, we can make use of that housing for them even on

[0:36:23] Voice 12: temporary basis until things warm up and they can be outside again. And also, if I know in Vancouver,

[0:36:31] Voice 12: there was a fine if it's not empty, if something was like that could be imposed as well,

[0:36:39] Voice 12: to present incentives to reduce the cost for the locals during the summer. So my request would be

[0:36:46] Voice 12: to maybe consider bringing that to the cdn okay i don't know how to say it

[0:36:52] Voice 12: right oh yes sir um yeah with respect to the uh application of the security barriers made

[0:37:04] Voice 12: to allow uh the possibility of constructing private docs on properties or for accessible

[0:37:14] Voice 6: I wonder if you could possibly make a motion to refer this matter to the

[0:37:20] Voice 12: advisory planning

[0:37:21] Voice 12: commission, which might be a more

[0:37:23] Voice 9: genteel approach

[0:37:24] Voice 12: to somebody to see if there's enough

[0:37:26] Voice 12: evidence, if we could present enough evidence and maps and stuff to make the argument more

[0:37:39] Voice 12: So, recommending that referring the matter of private docs in the M2 zone to the local

[0:37:51] Voice 12: trust committee.

[0:37:52] Voice 12: To the

[0:37:53] Voice 13: ACP, sorry.

[0:37:55] Voice 12: Yes.

[0:37:55] Voice 12: And one other little minor item.

[0:37:59] Voice 12: How many emails do you get on the subject of private docs in the last sort of session?

[0:38:04] Voice 12: we received upwards of 30 at least 30 emails from community members expressing support or not

[0:38:16] Voice 12: the other thing i was wondering is uh why are part emails not considered correspondence

[0:38:23] Voice 12: yes it's just the timing of when the agenda gets drafted and then published so we can't attach

[0:38:32] Voice 12: attach emails that come in after the agenda is published and so Hunter might have some yeah

[0:38:39] Voice 8: there is a difference between correspondence related to applications and correspondence

[0:38:46] Voice 8: that's just general correspondence to the local trust committee

[0:38:49] Voice 12: so correspondence for applications

[0:38:50] Voice 12: is not included generally in the agenda package unless the LTC makes a resolution to include

[0:38:58] Voice 12: correspondence you know a particular piece of correspondence in the agenda which which they

[0:39:03] Voice 12: did do with one piece of correspondence related to one of the applications on the agenda today

[0:39:09] Voice 12: but but the public correspondence that we receive related to applications is posted on our website

[0:39:15] Voice 12: so it is still publicly available and it's there but it's not in the agenda path

[0:39:20] Voice 12: But just general emails, are they more like a telephone call or are they actually available to anybody that wants them?

[0:39:31] Voice 12: That correspondence that the LCC receives, it is generally included in the package.

[0:39:36] Voice 12: But there's only one letter in the one letter.

[0:39:41] Voice 13: Yeah, if

[0:39:41] Voice 12: it wasn't...

[0:39:44] Voice 12: That was the only correspondence that we had.

[0:39:51] Voice 12: So, on the section of the website, sir, that has current applications, the LISCIDI website has a bar up here that says current applications, and in there is public correspondence.

[0:40:05] Voice 12: So, there's a folder that staff uploads all the correspondence from the public related to that application.

[0:40:13] Voice 12: The problem is there's sometimes such a volume of correspondence for bigger applications or bigger communities that it would make large agenda packages.

[0:40:24] Voice 12: So we don't include those unless it's a specific directive.

[0:40:33] Voice 12: Well, it's available on the website. I don't know what else to say.

[0:40:38] Voice 12: public it is public information as soon as folks write in to the local trust committee about an

[0:40:43] Voice 12: application okay thanks

[0:40:44] Voice 12: yeah thank you yep i

[0:40:46] Voice 10: would just add that um uh there's been correspondence

[0:40:49] Voice 10: coming about this application that came all throughout the weekend and of course those uh

[0:40:56] Voice 10: those pieces of correspondence wouldn't have been added um simply because they're you know staff

[0:41:01] Voice 10: isn't monitoring the email over the weekend i'm not totally clear and maybe a planner bach could

[0:41:06] Voice 10: let me know uh i think it's probably administrative staff in the northern office that that updates the

[0:41:13] Voice 10: application for correspondence file or yeah

[0:41:16] Voice 12: yeah so we do that there's going to be a delay of two

[0:41:21] Voice 10: days yeah yeah yeah so it's possible that we've got emails related to this application that haven't

[0:41:27] Voice 10: been posted yet that's what i'm trying to say yeah

[0:41:31] Voice 12: i'm just checking how much there's there's about

[0:41:35] Voice 12: about 40 pieces up there right now

[0:41:38] Voice 13: so

[0:41:39] Voice 12: stop for right up until the first and but I know we've

[0:41:43] Voice 12: had more since since then so

[0:41:45] Voice 12: yeah thank you for that can you just clarify um was there any emails

[0:41:51] Voice 12: regarding the application attached to the agenda package today there was one early one um yep it's

[0:41:59] Voice 12: on page 112

[0:42:03] Voice 10: and that's from october 20th yeah

[0:42:06] Voice 12: okay so i just a question as to why

[0:42:10] Voice 12: one was included in the other part

[0:42:15] Voice 12: i'm not sure

[0:42:26] Voice 12: yes yeah we'll try to be more consistent in the future i think that would be a good thing we don't

[0:42:31] Voice 12: want to give the impression that one piece of correspondence represents the whole so um

[0:42:36] Voice 12: I think that's a good principle.

[0:42:38] Voice 12: We'll keep it all on the website.

[0:42:40] Voice 12: Thanks.

[0:42:42] Voice 12: I would like to register my report for Tracy and Aslan Perry's reapplication for the private doc.

[0:42:52] Voice 12: And I wonder if you have a breakdown of for the doc and against the doc in the emails that you received.

[0:43:03] Voice 12: Not yet.

[0:43:05] Voice 12: can that be publicly communicated to us?

[0:43:11] Voice 12: I think if it proceeds further after the,

[0:43:16] Voice 12: so after our conversation today,

[0:43:18] Voice 12: if the LTC decides to proceed with the application,

[0:43:22] Voice 12: we'll do more work and there would be eventually a public hearing.

[0:43:26] Voice 12: And so there's plenty of opportunity for the public.

[0:43:29] Voice 12: I don't think tabulating for and against at this stage,

[0:43:33] Voice 12: probably premature because as folks have said some have been surprised by seeing the application

[0:43:39] Voice 12: and we'd want a proper process to make sure that everybody can have their perspective registered

[0:43:46] Voice 12: in a good way but the opinion or the decision made by the people that are in power to make

[0:43:53] Voice 12: the decision should be based on the the support or non-support of the application it's actually

[0:44:03] Voice 12: based on um how we do weigh the public um good but we're constrained by our policy statement and

[0:44:14] Voice 12: your ocp basically that is how we have to make decisions so public support does weigh in but it

[0:44:22] Voice 12: It isn't the only factor.

[0:44:24] Voice 12: Did you want to?

[0:44:25] Voice 12: Yeah, I just wanted to add,

[0:44:27] Voice 12: I was reviewing the minutes

[0:44:30] Voice 12: from the, I believe it was October 2020,

[0:44:33] Voice 12: application,

[0:44:34] Voice 12: and I'm trying to remember who said it,

[0:44:38] Voice 12: but that

[0:44:39] Voice 11: whether we weigh correspondence or not

[0:44:42] Voice 11: is actually a political decision

[0:44:44] Voice 11: and we are required to,

[0:44:45] Voice 11: but personally, I think it's important

[0:44:47] Voice 11: to do what the community wants.

[0:44:51] Voice 12: Have an idea of what people's thoughts are.

[0:44:58] Voice 12: I'm also in favour of the DOC application for various reasons we've already discussed

[0:45:03] Voice 12: here today.

[0:45:05] Voice 12: So I would like to forward that on to the committee.

[0:45:08] Voice 12: I have no point in repeating it all over again, so it is all in favour of the DOC application.

[0:45:13] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:45:14] Voice 12: I am for support.

[0:45:18] Voice 12: Strong support.

[0:45:20] Voice 12: Awesome.

[0:45:22] Voice 9: Support.

[0:45:23] Voice 9: My

[0:45:24] Voice 12: name is Jan

[0:45:24] Voice 9: Darwin, but I'm also in favour of the DOC application.

[0:45:25] Voice 9: hearing you're really in favor of public dogs so this brings up Tucker Bay which

[0:45:31] Voice 9: we glaringly need another facility for Liskety especially with weather

[0:45:35] Voice 14: bad

[0:45:36] Voice 9: weather on it's sometimes the only place that you can get into and there's I

[0:45:42] Voice 9: think there's a fight over where whether it's public or private right now and I

[0:45:47] Voice 9: just thought that the Islands Trust to do the Liskety a favor would throw in

[0:45:51] Voice 9: in behind that and get that land appropriated as public okay

[0:45:59] Voice 12: um typically the on stress does not

[0:46:01] Voice 12: expropriate land uh

[0:46:03] Voice 9: that's not what i'm referring to but

[0:46:05] Voice 12: what would you suggest the um that you

[0:46:09] Voice 9: would just um possibly have some input into it for the sake of mesquite island and the people that

[0:46:16] Voice 9: we do need a facility mid-island because south island and north island are plugged up

[0:46:22] Voice 9: over plug

[0:46:23] Voice 14: okay and

[0:46:25] Voice 9: it's causes a lot of problem people hauling boats up and down the island and

[0:46:30] Voice 9: you know anyways okay it

[0:46:33] Voice 9: definitely helped me because i live mid-island before

[0:46:35] Voice 12: we come back

[0:46:36] Voice 12: to you sir i'll just make sure everyone's had a chance to speak

[0:46:41] Voice 12: um let's bring new information okay has everybody had a chance to speak who'd like to

[0:46:53] Voice 12: For me, I wonder why we're here, for one thing.

[0:46:59] Voice 12: Within your mention of the before and after of the site in question there,

[0:47:04] Voice 9: has anybody paid much attention to what, I think you might have some pictures there that I sent.

[0:47:13] Voice 9: What's there now is a

[0:47:14] Voice 12: completely surgical professional installation.

[0:47:18] Voice 12: done it absolutely sorry are you the advocate sir no oh no okay so um you're full support of

[0:47:24] Voice 12: the application right so but you're not speaking as a professional though i just wanted to make

[0:47:29] Voice 12: sure you're thank you go ahead okay um you know like the before and after part i think you might

[0:47:38] Voice 12: have the pictures i'm i'm really puzzled as why something so positive that's there now

[0:47:45] Voice 9: and

[0:47:46] Voice 12: something so negative that's gone now is

[0:47:49] Voice 9: receiving no press at all it's like

[0:47:52] Voice 9: do people want all of the junk that was there sprinkled back in the mud again and then this

[0:47:59] Voice 9: one can both put back on someone we're going to be fine um so i'm just i can't understand

[0:48:06] Voice 9: why there's opposition to something done so immaculately

[0:48:09] Voice 6: do

[0:48:11] Voice 9: we need to put the junk back

[0:48:13] Voice 9: into blood to put people back into their

[0:48:14] Voice 12: comfort level and it's just don't get it

[0:48:17] Voice 14: it's so negative

[0:48:19] Voice 12: what was there and

[0:48:21] Voice 9: we talked about environmental issues

[0:48:22] Voice 12: and the carbon footprints and all this

[0:48:24] Voice 12: other crap this a lot of that was done away with in this app installation in the adjacent area

[0:48:31] Voice 12: just happened to me okay thank you for your um sorry um what's your name just for my notes

[0:48:38] Voice 12: Yes, I've written a letter opposing this application.

[0:48:47] Voice 12: I think the community has worked long and hard to formulate the OCP, the land use bylaw,

[0:48:54] Voice 12: and until they speak differently, maybe it should go to the local committee, but I think

[0:49:03] Voice 12: that it's just a development gambit.

[0:49:06] Voice 12: it it sets a precedent a very dangerous precedent for locked dogs next door one by one um i don't

[0:49:15] Voice 12: know where we stopped i don't think there's any valid reason for an exemption good question thank

[0:49:22] Voice 12: you yes um so before we return to anyone who's spoken already um is there anybody else we moved

[0:49:34] Voice 8: so

[0:49:34] Voice 12: you will have a chance to speak um well we're when we're addressing the

[0:49:39] Voice 12: application. Okay, yeah. I

[0:49:41] Voice 12: only have one little thing to say. Okay. With what

[0:49:44] Voice 8: Johnny was talking

[0:49:45] Voice 8: about with the dots as opposed to mooring buoys, and if

[0:49:51] Voice 12: a mooring buoy, especially on low tides,

[0:49:53] Voice 12: we're worried about the environment, because we seem to really support mooring buoys,

[0:49:58] Voice 12: but not like dots. That ground tackle travels in a circle in the middle of the bay,

[0:50:06] Voice 8: and the damage that does compared to a stationary unit but what can add to that

[0:50:12] Voice 8: a mooring buoy goes in the middle of the bay in the prime anchorage location between the ground

[0:50:22] Voice 8: tackle and the length of that boat circling it takes up over 100 feet of public property

[0:50:28] Voice 14: for

[0:50:29] Voice 8: the sole purpose of that one person and a lot of our mooring buoys on the speedy island

[0:50:35] Voice 8: boats don't even leave and people

[0:50:37] Voice 8: and they have no

[0:50:38] Voice 8: and I'm not against moorings, I'm just

[0:50:40] Voice 8: throwing it out there that we have

[0:50:42] Voice 8: no sheltered moorings for British moorings

[0:50:44] Voice 8: transient or looking soon

[0:50:47] Voice 6: and

[0:50:47] Voice 8: we have no issue

[0:50:49] Voice 8: with big moorings that take

[0:50:51] Voice 8: up, like I say, in these small

[0:50:53] Voice 8: bays like Sky Bay

[0:50:54] Voice 8: or Cocktail Cove, over 100

[0:50:57] Voice 8: feet of prime mooring

[0:50:59] Voice 13: whereas

[0:50:59] Voice 8: a tiny little

[0:51:01] Voice 8: dock like mine

[0:51:02] Voice 8: takes less than half that

[0:51:05] Voice 8: and it can benefit the whole community and accept four or five votes so

[0:51:12] Voice 12: okay we're gonna hear more from your perspective thank you for that um we're we want to hear from

[0:51:19] Voice 12: the broad range of people so does anybody have anything new to add about the application

[0:51:24] Voice 12: yes sir uh i support public consultation well i was really surprised when you said

[0:51:34] Voice 12: public consultation is not feasible. I believe that this application,

[0:51:39] Voice 13: whether you support it or don't support it,

[0:51:49] Voice 12: that the application to go to the public, which would be a public what we used to do,

[0:51:55] Voice 12: I'm just surprised that when we said public consultation is not feasible.

[0:52:00] Voice 12: I wish to correct myself since it appears that everything I say has some weight.

[0:52:06] Voice 12: So I would never say that it's not feasible.

[0:52:09] Voice 12: I

[0:52:09] Voice 11: would say that

[0:52:10] Voice 12: in a

[0:52:10] Voice 11: public process, if we were to continue with the application, it would go through a public hearing,

[0:52:19] Voice 12: at which point there would be ample opportunity for the community to come forward and have their views expressed.

[0:52:25] Voice 1: I'm not

[0:52:25] Voice 12: talking about a public

[0:52:27] Voice 1: hearing. I'm talking about

[0:52:28] Voice 12: town hall meetings.

[0:52:29] Voice 12: Yes, I understand, but when I was speaking about what we must consider, the weight of public opinion is not the only thing.

[0:52:40] Voice 12: It is the directives of the OCP and the policy statement that constrains…

[0:52:46] Voice 13: You should

[0:52:46] Voice 12: let me finish before you interrupt.

[0:52:48] Voice 12: Well, you're characterizing my words, and I just wish to correct you for the record.

[0:52:51] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:52:52] Voice 12: Do you have anything to add?

[0:52:53] Voice 12: so my

[0:52:54] Voice 12: point is that this is a big deal and it's a public hearing this is the way to handle it

[0:53:00] Voice 12: the way to handle it is a series of public information meeting and town hall meetings

[0:53:05] Voice 12: where people can come together as a community

[0:53:08] Voice 13: and discuss it

[0:53:14] Voice 13: so expressing support

[0:53:16] Voice 12: for public community information

[0:53:31] Voice 12: okay we had a few other speakers who wanted to speak yes i can speak to the tucker bay situation

[0:53:37] Voice 12: which is the

[0:53:40] Voice 10: only public access on the island to deep water where we were the first

[0:53:48] Voice 10: The first wharf to Laskete was built. It was surveyed in 1917.

[0:53:54] Voice 9: The person who recently bought the property has closed off access, or is trying to,

[0:54:01] Voice 12: and the Rape Payers Association have had a court case, which is dragging into its 10th year right now, to maintain public access to that,

[0:54:09] Voice 8: because it is the only place on Laskete Island that another wharf could be built.

[0:54:19] Voice 8: if there's ever any build out on this island it's the only other public place

[0:54:25] Voice 10: that has

[0:54:27] Voice 10: quasi-shelter it's open somewhat to a northwest but that can be

[0:54:31] Voice 8: dealt with it is and it's very

[0:54:35] Voice 8: protected in the southeast so

[0:54:37] Voice 12: uh you're saying that the property owner has closed off public

[0:54:42] Voice 12: access he's

[0:54:43] Voice 9: contesting he said that it's not public and it was the first public road

[0:54:47] Voice 9: on with me okay the

[0:54:49] Voice 9: first public road and the first public dog that's good all right and we

[0:54:54] Voice 9: were supposed to have a court date in march of this year and i haven't heard from him

[0:54:58] Voice 12: and i wrote

[0:54:59] Voice 12: him a letter very recently to wish him happy new year and give us an update and said we're still

[0:55:06] Voice 12: alive because

[0:55:08] Voice 10: it's been 10 years but that case that court case is going on

[0:55:13] Voice 12: okay thank you for

[0:55:15] Voice 10: that

[0:55:15] Voice 12: information. Okay.

[0:55:19] Voice 12: Sir, you want to speak? Yeah, just more information and

[0:55:25] Voice 12: clarification for me. I don't know about much about the

[0:55:29] Voice 12: history of this thing. I have is before the doctor, you know, why

[0:55:37] Voice 12: was the original application denied?

[0:55:39] Voice 12: uh Jim was there at that point the

[0:55:45] Voice 10: application came after the dog was built

[0:55:47] Voice 10: well in violation of our law yeah

[0:55:52] Voice 2: um

[0:55:57] Voice 12: sorry uh well going back to 2020 um the there was an

[0:56:03] Voice 12: application made was it not the

[0:56:04] Voice 13: dog was already

[0:56:05] Voice 12: built but the dog was already built okay thank

[0:56:07] Voice 12: you even I'm still trying to track the timeline um sir do you want to speak again sure

[0:56:16] Voice 12: Sure. Thank you. Yeah, back to your favorite subject. This LTC meeting budget is four and a half times overspent without including this.

[0:56:29] And so I'm asking all of you to give us some idea

[0:56:36] Voice 12: of how you're going to prevent next year's meeting budget from being overspent.

[0:56:42] Voice 12: I have great ideas for that. Electronic meetings.

[0:56:44] Voice 12: names electronic meetings do so in our budgeting process we had to look at the expenses for chairs

[0:56:52] Voice 12: traveling and that is um that's gone up everywhere across the trust area i'll give you an example in

[0:57:00] Voice 12: south pender they're doing a land use bylaw review uh two community information meetings in person

[0:57:05] Voice 12: is the request of the community but for me to travel there 17 hour days being in person

[0:57:11] Voice 12: and ferries it's it's expensive right so we're administrating across the federation so if you

[0:57:17] Voice 12: let me answer so we're doing measures like asking alternate chairs who live closer we're trying to

[0:57:23] Voice 12: move to more electronic meetings but as was seen this is not popular in many places Laskiti

[0:57:29] Voice 12: you've heard wants to have in-person meetings so why we're over budgeted I have explained

[0:57:36] Voice 12: explained several times and we've had email correspondence sir about this that a meeting

[0:57:41] Voice 12: facilitator was budgeted and was supposed to be doing some of the meeting minutes administration

[0:57:45] Voice 12: that person has not been in the role we haven't been able to find a suitable candidate and so

[0:57:52] Voice 12: the budget numbers are way off but they're consistent with what has been spent in previous

[0:57:56] Voice 12: physicals we're actually not over budget it was just the way everything was calculated for this

[0:58:01] Voice 12: new role to do um the meeting minutes thank you um so the primary contributor to the meeting

[0:58:12] Voice 12: and so i'm just clarifying because of chair travel fear is not the reason i'm waiting for

[0:58:30] Voice 12: so we have on record several times uh your request to have a local minute taker uh do the minutes

[0:58:38] Voice 12: for mesquite and that is being considered and we're doing our best okay thank you is there

[0:58:45] Voice 12: anything else now um i just i'm questioning you made a comment earlier about um the budget

[0:58:55] Voice 12: and how we have overspent and I'm wondering if if there's problems with your bookkeeping and

[0:59:06] Voice 12: keeping on budget where is the trust going to find the money to take this to court if this bylaw

[0:59:15] Voice 12: application gets shut down again and we go to court that could be like hundreds of thousands

[0:59:23] Voice 12: of dollars it's going to cost the trust to fight this so i i'm just questioning how that could make

[0:59:30] Voice 12: sense when you guys already can't handle your budget how would the trust then come up with a

[0:59:35] Voice 12: couple hundred grand for a report and fight this if it went that

[0:59:38] Voice 12: way um we're actually underspent

[0:59:41] Voice 12: overall for the year so the latest quarterly financial reporting um reports that were on

[0:59:49] Voice 12: on budget, where the money is spent is, you know,

[0:59:54] Voice 12: underspent here, overspent here, it balances out.

[0:59:57] Voice 12: Oh, so it was just that one specific thing.

[1:00:00] Voice 12: just global trust committee meetings because there was budgeted a full-time meeting facilitator

[1:00:08] Voice 12: person that money went came from operations as opposed to our local trust committee budget so

[1:00:16] Voice 12: the money is still there it's just wasn't the wrong budget line item because we weren't able

[1:00:21] Voice 12: to fill that position so overall the islands trust is under budget from the quarterly reporting

[1:00:27] Voice 12: We're going to come up very close to on target for this fiscal, from what I can remember from our committee meetings.

[1:00:36] Voice 12: But absolutely, considering litigation and the escalating costs of court is part of the job.

[1:00:45] Voice 12: It's a really impossible thing to tell.

[1:00:48] Voice 12: We have to choose which bylaws really get enforced.

[1:00:54] Voice 12: And it's different.

[1:00:55] Voice 12: it's it's tough this isn't an easy part of the job is there anybody else uh you made a ruling

[1:01:06] Voice 12: that the member of the public can only record these meetings with your permission as you know

[1:01:12] Voice 12: i have been recording them endlessly and i just haven't been out front about it so i'm going to

[1:01:18] Voice 12: be out front about it i record everything that happens in this room for my personal use in spite

[1:01:25] Voice 12: of your unlawful ruling that i can't do that would you care to modify that i didn't say you

[1:01:32] Voice 12: couldn't record i said it would be courteous to ask the other members of the public for their

[1:01:37] Voice 12: permission i'm sorry

[1:01:38] Voice 12: that's not what i said well you haven't

[1:01:41] Voice 11: been recording so i trust you're

[1:01:42] Voice 12: recording i asked you and you said no never to the public is

[1:01:48] Voice 11: that it would check back and we

[1:01:49] Voice 11: actually

[1:01:49] Voice 12: asking you now do you really do you send that uh no because i didn't say that you couldn't

[1:01:57] Voice 12: record all of our meetings are recorded and available to the public

[1:02:01] Voice 12: if you wish to record

[1:02:05] Voice 12: other people who are speaking it would be courteous to ask permission and to let them

[1:02:10] Voice 12: know what you were using it for that is just me i

[1:02:14] Voice 2: don't have to

[1:02:15] Voice 12: have your permission no very good so

[1:02:18] Voice 12: So you've modified the rule.

[1:02:19] Voice 12: We are getting clarity from our Director of Legislative Services.

[1:02:26] Voice 1: The

[1:02:26] Voice 12: law, Criminal Code of Canada.

[1:02:27] Voice 12: The Director of Legislative Services is getting some information about the reporting of meetings and elected officials.

[1:02:35] Voice 12: And we are expecting that report soon.

[1:02:37] Voice 12: The Criminal Code of Canada or the Supreme Court decision concerning this.

[1:02:42] Voice 12: Thank you for your input, sir.

[1:02:44] Voice 12: Is

[1:02:44] Voice 1: there anybody else who

[1:02:45] Voice 12: wishes to address the Local Trust Committee?

[1:02:47] Voice 12: Thank you. I want to be a little more clear about my position on the dog. That dog does not offend me. I'm not going to be around very many more years to be offended or not. Anyway, what I am concerned about is the official community plan says the wishes of the community are not to have private dogs, except where that's the only access.

[1:03:11] Voice 12: access. And, and where, where, where there's no road access, or the dogs are

[1:03:18] Voice 12: permitted. We haven't constructed at least one since I've been here, and then

[1:03:24] Voice 12: applied for and incorporating because the person is entitled to have a doctor

[1:03:29] Voice 12: steps the only way you can get to their property. I support the type of a legal

[1:03:36] Voice 12: action. I'm sorry, it's come to the election, but it seems to be necessary.

[1:03:39] Voice 12: very it's very slow but i can't see how it could fail to uh get a judgment that that is public and

[1:03:48] Voice 12: then that is a big thing um that clearly since the official our official community plan is still

[1:03:57] Voice 12: under review and uh revisions the thing to do is to see does the community still want that part

[1:04:06] Voice 12: And if it still wants that part, it would be inappropriate to approve this dog and appropriate

[1:04:11] Voice 12: to leave it there.

[1:04:12] Voice 12: And if it doesn't, then no problem.

[1:04:15] Voice 12: The application would be accepted.

[1:04:19] Voice 12: Can you repeat your last

[1:04:20] Voice 12: sentence one more time?

[1:04:22] Voice 1: If

[1:04:22] Voice 12: the public is okay taking that part of the official community plan that they don't

[1:04:26] Voice 12: want private dogs, we encourage communal dogs, which could be on private land if they're

[1:04:32] Voice 12: their Kindle, or off-pilot, then there would be no problem.

[1:04:41] Voice 12: Okay, I'd really like to close public comment and move on.

[1:04:46] Voice 12: If

[1:04:46] Voice 1: you have some, yes.

[1:04:47] Voice 12: One brief question.

[1:04:49] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:04:50] Voice 12: I can go home and watch this, correct?

[1:04:52] Voice 12: You absolutely can.

[1:04:53] Voice 12: But I could not participate, is that true?

[1:04:56] Voice 12: No, there is a list that I monitor of participants,

[1:04:59] Voice 12: and if people want to participate online,

[1:05:01] Voice 12: they raise their hand and we can recognize them,

[1:05:03] Voice 12: you can address the local trust committee from your home through hitting hitting that watch

[1:05:08] Voice 12: button and watching you know you can

[1:05:10] Voice 12: participate there's a participate button and a watch button

[1:05:13] Voice 12: if you hit the participate or um yeah i think i think there are two different ones i could be

[1:05:20] Voice 12: wrong you would put up your hand in the uh as a participant we'd recognize you and you could

[1:05:27] Voice 12: his feet through that speaker okay great thank

[1:05:29] Voice 12: you so this is a hybrid it's no it's an in-person

[1:05:34] Voice 12: meeting but we have accommodated electronic participation okay we're trying to pass

[1:05:42] Voice 12: new comments everybody have we got something new to say

[1:05:47] Voice 12: I just want to say on the record that we have had two private docks approved and built.

[1:05:58] Voice 12: One in Wolf Island and one in Johnson's Lagoon, and nobody's even blinked about those ones.

[1:06:08] Voice 12: I don't know what the problem is.

[1:06:09] Voice 12: So when we can

[1:06:12] Voice 12: have dogs popping up everywhere, but in this case, I don't find any problem with Johnson's Lagoon and sorry, what was the other location?

[1:06:20] Voice 12: Wolf Island.

[1:06:20] Voice 12: Wolf Island. Is that in the local trust area?

[1:06:23] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:06:23] Voice 13: I

[1:06:23] Voice 12: think they're water access only.

[1:06:25] Voice 12: Water access.

[1:06:26] Voice 13: Oh, okay.

[1:06:28] Voice 12: But not Johnson's.

[1:06:30] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:06:32] Voice 12: Sir, I really, we do need to move on, but quickly.

[1:06:36] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:06:36] Voice 12: Yes,

[1:06:36] Voice 9: regarding

[1:06:38] Voice 12: the

[1:06:39] Voice 9: OCP and the docks, I was pushing in the very start for the OCP overall to be done here,

[1:06:45] Voice 10: and I was very much involved in it.

[1:06:48] Voice 10: But I took a job right when we were getting to dealing with the docking

[1:06:55] Voice 12: crew, and when I came back, it was done completely, and they did not want to revisit it.

[1:07:01] Voice 12: and nobody who made the decision owns a boat or works on the water they have no idea

[1:07:09] Voice 10: what's involved in living on an island and that is why i want to

[1:07:16] Voice 10: bring it up again and

[1:07:18] Voice 13: and get it changed in the ocp okay thank

[1:07:22] Voice 14: you

[1:07:23] Voice 14: um

[1:07:25] Voice 12: i'm curious as to why there are three vacant seats on the official community planning the apc

[1:07:34] Voice 12: the apc um let me double check yeah the area community area planning

[1:07:48] Voice 12: We can check into that, thank you, yeah sorry just one last thing on the dog application

[1:07:57] Voice 12: so we've heard from Carl about very limited access to suitable dog locations and so an idea for the

[1:08:07] Voice 12: trust to pursue is to actually look at what properties what laws could accommodate a lot

[1:08:18] Voice 12: or sorry a dog and let that be public knowledge and um the the numbers are going to be very small

[1:08:27] Voice 12: the amount of work is going to be very small because of that and that would inform this

[1:08:32] Voice 12: decision, frankly, I believe. Great. So, advice to consider a shoreline review, perhaps, and

[1:08:47] Voice 12: assessment of all the private properties where a dock might be feasible, or are we talking

[1:08:54] Voice 12: the groundland and anywhere that the doctor sees a little part of his focus that are very

[1:08:59] Voice 12: he could also have 10 possibly 10. so you wouldn't like to do it with 10 women yeah you look at those

[1:09:08] Voice 12: 10 locations what what blocks are around those communications if any okay and what i'm done

[1:09:15] Voice 12: i didn't see one more hand up here anybody else stretching okay i think we're gonna close town

[1:09:22] Voice 12: Thank you everyone.

[1:09:23] Voice 12: I really do appreciate that you come out

[1:09:25] Voice 12: to make your voices heard.

[1:09:28] Voice 12: This is where local government actually needs to hear you.

[1:09:31] Voice 12: And I so appreciate you all being here today.

[1:09:33] Voice 12: And yes, you can participate online from home if you wish.

[1:09:38] Voice 12: I do encourage that because sometimes it's more equitable.

[1:09:41] Voice 12: Some people don't feel comfortable coming

[1:09:42] Voice 12: into a public space.

[1:09:43] Voice 12: We're able to change the legislation

[1:09:46] Voice 12: because we are constrained by our own legislation

[1:09:48] Voice 12: to allow electronic meetings.

[1:09:52] Voice 12: the skis don't appear to want electronic meetings only we want to appear in person so we're going to

[1:09:57] Voice 12: maintain that as much as possible but i appreciate the respect and the kindness with which everyone

[1:10:03] Voice 12: spoke today so i'm looking forward to hearing more we're going to close town hall take a five

[1:10:09] Voice 12: minute break and return for consideration of minutes and then the applications i'm just going

[1:10:17] Voice 13: to mute us thank you

[1:24:38] Voice 7: you're muted chair elliott

[1:24:43] Voice 12: that's not helpful

[1:24:47] Voice 7: thank

[1:24:48] Voice 12: you well okay we're back i apologize um so now we're going coming to the minutes of december

[1:24:55] Voice 12: 11 2023 for adoption um i would just say um if we can make more general statements in the middle of

[1:25:04] Voice 12: page five here reference to the local minute taker and a foreign one for the past two years

[1:25:11] Voice 12: if we could just sort of summarize things like the request for local minute takers was

[1:25:15] Voice 12: you know voiced in a general way could be a little bit better

[1:25:19] Voice 12: uh

[1:25:20] Voice 10: my suggestion we could just change foreign to off islands

[1:25:27] Voice 12: Yes, we don't want our minute takers to characterize this for us or not.

[1:25:33] Voice 12: And then the change to Carl Darwin's name, the poor instance is all page nine.

[1:25:42] Voice 12: And other than that, I didn't see anything.

[1:25:47] Voice 12: And one on page six.

[1:25:54] Voice 12: So is there anything else in the minutes, we'll take it

[1:25:57] Voice 12: by general consent that we approve

[1:25:58] Voice 12: the minutes of December 11th as amended, or redocked minutes, right?

[1:26:06] Voice 12: And we've got our follow-up action list, pages 13 to 15.

[1:26:09] Voice 12: We typically ask the local planner if we want any updates.

[1:26:17] Voice 12: I don't like using this.

[1:26:18] Voice 12: Can we not?

[1:26:19] Voice 12: Or I can .

[1:26:26] Voice 6: Did

[1:26:29] Voice 13: you have any questions for me on the follow-up action list?

[1:26:32] Voice 12: i guess uh actually uh number one on page 38 uh sorry the meeting between the ltc and sonar's

[1:26:44] Voice 12: first nation to discuss the ocp i mean obviously this coming up after our protocol meeting

[1:26:52] Voice 12: set for sometime in april i think okay yeah i think this is something that would be anticipated

[1:26:58] Voice 12: to be on uh to be discussed that everyone was working through meetings yeah

[1:27:03] Voice 14: perfect okay

[1:27:06] Voice 10: Yeah, I just wonder, I'm looking at item one from January 23, 2023, which is the clarifying

[1:27:17] Voice 10: the LTC responsibility to provide accommodation for persons with disabilities during public

[1:27:21] Voice 10: meetings, which we have addressed for hearing impaired by borrowing the sound system from

[1:27:27] Voice 10: this facility.

[1:27:30] Voice 10: But I know that it's been more than a year.

[1:27:33] Voice 10: This is in progress.

[1:27:35] Voice 10: And I know that it's not you're not the person listed as responsible, but after a year it does

[1:27:42] Voice 10: We're still waiting for an answer. And I just want to note that that seems like a long time

[1:27:49] Voice 12: And

[1:27:53] Voice 12: We are also waiting for our accessibility committee to be struck and that is also

[1:27:59] Voice 12: Delayed it was supposed to be done by September last year

[1:28:10] Voice 12: So, just looking at the LEB review on page 15, so we have added subdivision lot size, proof of water, and public access to the foreshore, housing, and consideration of adding a marine conservation zone to the LEB review.

[1:28:26] Voice 12: review. We've heard from the public today about public docks and suitable places for

[1:28:41] Voice 12: community and public docks. Is that sort of covered with public action or should we consider

[1:28:48] Voice 12: something else to add? If you would like to add it specifically then you can do that and

[1:28:54] Voice 12: want to do it at the yeah um projects future projects perfect okay we'll do that that's it

[1:29:06] Voice 12: for me um anybody else okay so now we'll move into the application item seven point uh 23.1

[1:29:19] Voice 12: carry we've got staff report on page 16 57 with many photos and um appreciate your staff report

[1:29:28] Voice 12: Stephen, if you want to take us into this? Sure. Yeah, I can introduce the application. So

[1:29:34] Voice 12: this is the only application. It is for bylaw in Tbilisi land use bylaw in order to

[1:29:39] Voice 12: permit existing private dock in the Marine General or M2 zone. Staff could review the

[1:29:45] Voice 12: application against relevant official community plan policies and find that it is not supported

[1:29:50] Voice 12: by several of those policies. There is a policy in the OCP which states that private docks

[1:29:56] Voice 12: may be considered on a site-specific basis in the Marine General.

[1:30:00] Voice 12: don't and in considering an application for a dog environmental and social effects must be addressed

[1:30:06] Voice 12: um so so with regards to the environmental policies in the official community plan

[1:30:11] Voice 12: um there's several of these that are not met by the application um with regard to the social

[1:30:16] Voice 12: effects so the ocp does not provide much guidance as to what uh what things could be considered as

[1:30:24] Voice 12: social effects. So there's a couple of things that we could consider, consider wide variety

[1:30:30] Voice 12: things, I suppose. But there's a couple of things that I've mentioned specifically in the staff

[1:30:34] Voice 12: report. And one is just the impact of it to the existing use of the bay, where moorage is

[1:30:41] Voice 12: permitted in the zone currently. And the other is that it's been suggested the stock could be used

[1:30:48] Voice 12: for emergencies and so the application doesn't provide is this the application for a private

[1:30:55] Voice 12: doc and so it doesn't provide that information necessarily to ensure that it would be suitable

[1:31:02] Voice 12: for that purpose that there's those groups of people that are emergency service providers would

[1:31:10] Voice 12: be you know be secured to use the doc but there's an alternative in the staff report to request

[1:31:16] Voice 12: request additional information from the applicant to ensure or clarify whether the dock would

[1:31:21] Voice 12: be suitable for that purpose.

[1:31:24] Voice 12: At this point, there has not been any notice sent to the public with regards to this application.

[1:31:30] Voice 12: It's on a public agenda.

[1:31:32] Voice 12: There's this public process, but we're not at that stage yet.

[1:31:36] Voice 12: But nonetheless, there's been a lot of correspondence received.

[1:31:40] Voice 12: I believe it's been over 40 pieces of correspondence at this point and maybe over 50, but I haven't

[1:31:46] Voice 12: had a chance to tally everything um but uh then you've heard of course in the town hall today

[1:31:52] Voice 12: uh many members of the public so um uh they i know i did have it i think we i did explain earlier but

[1:32:00] Voice 12: there was um one piece of correspondence received last year that the ltc had requested be included

[1:32:06] Voice 12: in the agenda and that's why that one piece is included in the agenda package and not others

[1:32:11] Voice 12: others, but it's not typically court bonds related to applications as posted to the website

[1:32:17] Voice 12: and it's not included in the amendments.

[1:32:21] Voice 12: Yeah, and that was actually my mistake. It was so early on and I was like, we want to

[1:32:30] Voice 12: make sure that we catch that, but not realizing it was an application, it would have been

[1:32:35] Voice 12: on the website. So yeah, we'll try not to do that in future. Well, great. I think it's

[1:32:42] Voice 12: good staff report and we've got a lot to consider and we have a lot of input from the community

[1:32:48] Voice 12: which is excellent it's definitely a live conversation as they say in the planning planning

[1:32:57] Voice 12: world or no our cao likes to say that it's a live

[1:33:01] Voice 12: conversation sorry to you he's retiring so we can

[1:33:05] Voice 12: say things about him um okay so i'm gonna you two um have the most intimate knowledge so why don't

[1:33:13] Voice 12: you kick us off with questions or considerations

[1:33:15] Voice 10: um okay so there's a there's a number of um

[1:33:23] Voice 10: i think practice considering here one of the i think one of the the biggest issues here is around

[1:33:31] Voice 10: um public participation and public comment from my perspective certainly when in the fall when there

[1:33:40] Voice 10: There was the public announcement around the bylaw enforcement

[1:33:47] Voice 10: and the decision to go to court.

[1:33:53] Voice 10: I would say the most common comment that I heard

[1:33:57] Voice 10: is that the public felt that they wanted to have a say.

[1:34:03] Voice 10: Specifically around deciding to go to court,

[1:34:06] Voice 10: that's not necessarily the procedure.

[1:34:09] Voice 10: However, now that we have this new application before us, I think it's very important that we, as a local trust committee, do absolutely everything we can to enable and encourage public engagement and public comment on this application.

[1:34:30] Voice 10: In addition, as Mr. Darwin and the Liskety Ratepayers Association delegation in December mentioned, looking at

[1:34:40] Voice 6: docs

[1:34:41] Voice 10: beyond this application, I think it is worthy of consideration whether, as we're in the OCP review process now,

[1:34:54] Voice 10: now whether we want to have that wider discussion beyond this beyond the confines of just this

[1:35:03] Voice 10: particular application about further Docs and I believe um I mean it's it's kind of hard to

[1:35:13] Voice 10: know but it seems to me that if we're going to have that wider Community discussion around Docs

[1:35:18] Voice 10: in a more general way that it's I think procedurally it'd be better to have that

[1:35:24] Voice 10: discussion before we make a decision on this application here yeah

[1:35:28] Voice 5: um

[1:35:29] Voice 10: so that's really where

[1:35:31] Voice 10: i'm leaning at this point uh i i think it's super important that everyone has not only has a chance

[1:35:37] Voice 10: to um have their views heard on this issue but that that those opportunities are well publicized

[1:35:45] Voice 10: that they're both official and um casual and and that the voice of the community

[1:35:53] Voice 10: is heard in an official way by this committee before we make decisions on the broader question

[1:36:02] Voice 10: of whether we're going to permit more docs in the OCP and land use bylaw and whether we're going to

[1:36:10] Voice 10: advance or deny this application. And so that's where I'm at at this point. I think we need more

[1:36:18] Voice 10: public process and we need more opportunity i think first to have that wider discussion and

[1:36:24] Voice 10: then out of that wider discussion that would inform how we proceed or not proceed with this

[1:36:30] Voice 10: particular application so that's that's where i'm at today thank you um

[1:36:34] Voice 12: thank you and uh yes

[1:36:38] Voice 12: i just i forgot to mention to you that applicants are here and so yeah we'll give them a chance to

[1:36:45] Voice 12: just, you know, thoughts, considerations, anything at this point, we're kind of zilling in the Congress process and what Tim said, so yeah, so perhaps we could hear from the applicants now, and anything further that you'd like to, thank you for your letter, by the way, it was a good letter, and covered a lot of the issues, and appreciate you working with us on this process, so if there's anything you want to add?

[1:37:13] Voice 12: well there's not a good time that

[1:37:23] Voice 8: we have tracy and i had something prepared but tim's comments

[1:37:28] Voice 8: you know makes so much sense as they change i didn't totally expect that as the change

[1:37:36] Voice 8: uh in community opinion on maybe there's a few thoughts that docs are really beneficial

[1:37:45] Voice 14: and

[1:37:46] Voice 8: the idea that we look at that before we look at my exact case makes so much sense.

[1:37:57] Voice 8: You know, I definitely had some worry on a statutory right-of-way that would be forever

[1:38:05] Voice 8: Forever on the property that I don't think it's very possible for myself or if we picked a couple of strategic places on that and for emergencies and other reasons why it might make sense to put in docs that right away should that should be one of the conditions of course because there has to be a way I from day one.

[1:38:28] Voice 8: developer has to be able to do it. I've never been, it's a very complicated thing, I've been painted with

[1:38:34] Voice 8: putting it in and bullying and I've never believed that and you know I don't want to go forward back

[1:38:42] Voice 8: on the past and all the work I did trying to respect the bio before I built the dock.

[1:38:48] Voice 8: Now we move forward, there's an application, some people say well he built it first so

[1:38:54] Voice 8: So, we've got to watch it.

[1:38:57] Voice 8: I've given up on the past.

[1:38:59] Voice 8: There's an application for an out of the case.

[1:39:01] Voice 8: There's a massive penalty for that.

[1:39:03] Voice 8: I've plugged my nose, paid it, just in the spirit of moving forward.

[1:39:07] Voice 8: So, that's where we've gone.

[1:39:11] Voice 8: But I do think a statutory right-of-way is a good idea.

[1:39:14] Voice 8: There has to be a win.

[1:39:17] Voice 8: And I've always been open to any other comments

[1:39:22] Voice 8: or how a doc would benefit.

[1:39:25] Voice 8: Because I think the wording in our viola is perfect.

[1:39:28] Voice 8: Policy 15 says, public docs may be considered

[1:39:32] Voice 8: on a site-by-site basis if the environmental and social

[1:39:36] Voice 8: concerns are met.

[1:39:38] Voice 8: And I've always believed in that from day one.

[1:39:40] Voice 8: That's why I started this project,

[1:39:42] Voice 8: because I think my spot is what that policy is written for.

[1:39:46] Voice 8: basically that one spot in scotty bay and there might be a couple more um what those words mean

[1:39:58] Voice 8: i've been so and that's what i couldn't get an application in before i built the dock i spent

[1:40:04] Voice 8: a year trying to be on one hand there's this ambiguous learning and efficient community plan

[1:40:09] Voice 8: that kind of says you can't do it

[1:40:11] Voice 14: but

[1:40:13] Voice 8: right in our bylaw the most important lingo says this so

[1:40:18] Voice 8: my question has always been how do i meet social and environmental concerns

[1:40:24] Voice 14: i

[1:40:25] Voice 8: could not get any

[1:40:26] Voice 8: clarification i paid consultants to go to gabriel before i built it i've always wanted that answer

[1:40:32] Voice 8: so i took it upon myself and that's why i came down today that's why i hired a biologist before

[1:40:37] Voice 8: i did any work to map out the whole bay dictate how i build it all the materials it was not just

[1:40:44] Voice 8: a post if that's what you got that the biologist was retained and the surveyors from conception

[1:40:53] Voice 8: every material that went in that doc and everything because it was important for me to meet

[1:40:58] Voice 8: and so i did everything i could and i think anybody else should to meet social environmental

[1:41:08] Voice 8: concerns do we do it at the time should there be a donation for future because i'm a big supporter

[1:41:13] Voice 8: order the

[1:41:14] Voice 8: public docs even in my bay next to me i don't care

[1:41:18] Voice 14: whether

[1:41:19] Voice 8: or not could ever happen the

[1:41:20] Voice 8: way the ministry is where they're not taking applications the only possible way to have a doc

[1:41:26] Voice 8: right now is these little personal general permission docs that's it there is they're

[1:41:31] Voice 8: not accepting applications public docs are not on the menu yet so is it perfect but is it better

[1:41:42] Voice 8: than nothing possibly um yeah so that's that's kind of what i'm saying and i'm looking for a

[1:41:49] Voice 8: direction and always have how do i meet social environmental concerns by hiring that biologist

[1:41:57] Voice 8: sharing the doc with whoever asked kindly all the things i've done cleaning up the bay was the best

[1:42:03] Voice 8: i could do to do social environmental concerns

[1:42:07] Voice 14: i

[1:42:09] Voice 8: don't know what else i can do without an

[1:42:12] Voice 8: direction yeah

[1:42:15] Voice 12: absolutely that's that's a good way of putting it and and yeah if i can reflect

[1:42:20] Voice 12: on that and make the comments uh what we've heard from the public about how you have proceeded and

[1:42:27] Voice 12: the sort of access that you have given um does support your your statements that you may try

[1:42:34] Voice 12: to do this in a good way so there's

[1:42:37] Voice 8: one other little thing to that in the staff report it did

[1:42:40] Voice 8: touch on the works above the natural boundary to the sea a tiny bit maybe I'm

[1:42:46] Voice 8: wrong but just my whole thought process on that from day one is I followed every

[1:42:55] Voice 8: rule the best I could when I did that work

[1:42:57] Voice 6: it

[1:42:59] Voice 8: wasn't done with the doc it was

[1:43:03] Voice 8: done at a completely different time and I feel like it was done or if I know a

[1:43:09] Voice 8: hundred percent in conjunction with all the rules i did the very best i could if there's some people

[1:43:14] Voice 8: that are upset about that i'm very sorry it wasn't to get away with anything and so if the works

[1:43:20] Voice 8: from the natural boundary to the scene in don't meet some of that stuff i don't feel like it's

[1:43:27] Voice 8: fair to judge me on this application because i feel like this application is from the natural

[1:43:33] Voice 8: boundary to the sea out hold does that make sense to you i'm

[1:43:38] Voice 12: a little unclear but um

[1:43:42] Voice 12: you're talking about previous works like the fill that was in the i think that there was

[1:43:47] Voice 1: uh

[1:43:47] Voice 12: in the report if i'm correct then uh had said that you can put some fill up on the forger yeah

[1:43:54] Voice 12: and what as i was saying is that the construction of accessing the shoreline from our property yeah

[1:44:03] Voice 12: Yeah, what's done in one process.

[1:44:05] Voice 12: The building of the dock that attaches from our land on the foreshore into the water,

[1:44:10] Voice 12: we're in another process.

[1:44:11] Voice 12: He's saying we could have accessed, we could have done the work to access water three years

[1:44:19] Voice 12: ago and build a dock tomorrow.

[1:44:22] Voice 12: There's several processes.

[1:44:24] Voice 12: Oh,

[1:44:25] Voice 8: and when we did that, Phil, just to clarify, even before I did all that, the surveyors

[1:44:31] Voice 8: and the biologists agreed on exactly where that line is before i even took a tree down and did

[1:44:38] anything it was all mapped out all of the streams were picked where all the due diligence was done

[1:44:44] what happened after it all kind of blew up the first time is when the biologist and the

[1:44:51] Voice 8: and the surveyor looked at the wall they had a discrepancy of literally inches and instead of

[1:44:58] Voice 8: me saying no it's on you guys in the spirit of everything i just decided why don't i just make

[1:45:07] Voice 8: it right not let anything so it wasn't like i built that wall and then found out after

[1:45:12] Voice 8: oh my god like we had done everything we could stay within that and it was the top of the wall

[1:45:19] Voice 8: didn't change at all a couple of rocks were out a little bit in the when the biologist

[1:45:26] Voice 8: walked the natural boundaries of the sea for me with ribbons and said build here don't build there

[1:45:31] Voice 8: and then after the circuit we're talking inches that's all i needed and not with no complaints

[1:45:38] Voice 8: but it wasn't like oh he blazed him and built this thing and uh realized after he didn't get

[1:45:45] Voice 8: a survey so just

[1:45:47] Voice 8: well

[1:45:47] Voice 14: yeah totally okay thanks for coming yeah so

[1:45:51] Voice 10: yeah i i just want to speak

[1:45:55] Voice 10: a little bit to the point about the environmental and social concerns certainly when it comes to

[1:46:01] Voice 10: environmental there are professionals and i know you've hired them over the course of this project

[1:46:08] Voice 10: but i think that your point about the social concerns is has some merit in terms of

[1:46:18] Voice 10: there's no guidance in the it says right in the staff report the ocp doesn't give any guidance

[1:46:23] Voice 10: what could be considered social effect um and and so that's that ambiguity of course

[1:46:31] Voice 10: isn't helpful for someone uh making an application you know to try and meet the

[1:46:39] Voice 10: concerns when there's zero guidance in the ocp i've made a note of that um it's one of those

[1:46:47] Voice 10: things that maybe is a new moving target and an open to interpretation by the local trust

[1:46:53] Voice 10: committee of the day and and sometimes things are not big on purpose but i understand from

[1:46:58] Voice 10: the point of view of an applicant that's there's no helpful guidance there um

[1:47:06] Voice 12: well we're on that point yeah so a few comments um i did ask everybody in the day too by the way

[1:47:14] Voice 12: before i proceeded i had meetings

[1:47:15] Voice 12: with every stakeholder and every dealer so defining a

[1:47:19] Voice 12: community amenity or defining a social good that is the conversation that I

[1:47:26] Voice 12: think we're trying to have today and granted would have been helpful if it

[1:47:31] Voice 12: was on the OCP and before everything sort of unrolled but you know public

[1:47:36] Voice 12: discussions being what they are OCPs are kind of locked in time and the

[1:47:42] Voice 12: the opportunity to address that is when our communities change and people come forward

[1:47:50] Voice 12: with new things, climate change being one of them, housing concerns another, access

[1:47:55] Voice 12: or emergency exit.

[1:47:58] Voice 12: So things do need to shift.

[1:48:01] Voice 12: I guess the piece that I'm trying to remind everybody is that the OCP is your guideline

[1:48:09] Voice 12: and sort of your North Star.

[1:48:11] Voice 12: are these are the principles by which we want to govern ourselves right and it's your OCP this is

[1:48:17] Voice 12: not something I as an offline trustee am imposing on you it is your OCP it was created by this

[1:48:23] Voice 12: community and you're reviewing it which is great um and and I do agree that the the provision and

[1:48:32] Voice 12: you know I think by law 15 or policy 15 sort of the ambiguity of the public good

[1:48:41] Voice 12: or the social benefits and the environmental protection that's the direction that it's giving

[1:48:48] Voice 12: how it works out is this conversation today and maybe in the future and so that perhaps will roll

[1:48:56] Voice 12: back in and inform our ocp discussion for the future so this is real-time information this is

[1:49:02] Voice 12: great discussion to have and this is the right time to have it um so community amenities um it's

[1:49:11] Voice 12: It's a term that, you know, in the big cities, if a developer wants to build, you know, whatever, a 40-stage skyscraper and, you know, make a lot of money, they're often asked, well, what is the community amenity you're going to give?

[1:49:30] Voice 12: What's going to be the benefit to the community?

[1:49:32] Voice 12: You're going to make money.

[1:49:33] Voice 12: You're going to have your developer.

[1:49:35] Voice 12: That's what you do.

[1:49:36] Voice 12: What is the community trade-off?

[1:49:38] Voice 12: so if we can define that i think we're going to be closer to a conversation about

[1:49:47] Voice 12: rather than just yes no on the the what's in our bylaws right now but what does this community want

[1:49:54] Voice 12: in exchange for giving up you know public access to the foreshore if that's if that's the decision

[1:50:01] Voice 12: so just want everyone to think about that define that social good in our minds and and

[1:50:09] Voice 12: And what you're saying, perhaps a statutory right-of-way, a covenant, something that is, protects that as a semi-public access. I don't know. And I'm not going to impose my views here because I will be tarred and feathered if I do. I'm just saying, this is the conversation. This is the, it's sort of your community's decision, I think.

[1:50:32] Voice 11: So how

[1:50:32] Voice 11: do we proceed?

[1:50:33] Voice 11: I have some points.

[1:50:34] Voice 12: Please do like to share.

[1:50:35] Voice 11: Make the points.

[1:50:37] Voice 11: all

[1:50:43] Voice 12: right i have been doing a lot of research about this i have spoken to past trustees i've

[1:50:49] Voice 11: spoken to trustees from other islands i've read all the minutes from other meetings because i

[1:50:54] Voice 11: really wanted to be just started last term up to date and also i mean i know it's an important

[1:51:02] Voice 11: issue for everybody in both directions

[1:51:04] Voice 14: so

[1:51:06] Voice 12: kind of what i came up with

[1:51:07] Voice 11: is speaking points or

[1:51:11] Voice 11: Or, so the OCP and land use bylaws state that there's going to be no more dogs, and the community has created the OCP, and even with the new review, they still decided not to change the bylaws.

[1:51:26] Voice 11: So the decision here is, does the reasons that are given in the application justify or override the reasons the OCP has for not having a dog?

[1:51:43] Voice 11: and I mean

[1:51:45] Voice 11: the OCP, I mean our bylaw

[1:51:47] Voice 11: and bylaw infractions are not decided by trustees

[1:51:50] Voice 11: they are decided, it's community

[1:51:51] Voice 11: based, community process

[1:51:54] Voice 11: bylaws and

[1:51:56] Voice 11: our population is growing

[1:51:59] Voice 11: and the more people you have

[1:52:02] Voice 11: the more bylaws are going to be broken

[1:52:03] Voice 11: and also the more bylaws

[1:52:06] Voice 11: are going to be enforced, especially as

[1:52:08] Voice 11: we get more off islanders who have a different

[1:52:10] Voice 11: idea of

[1:52:10] Voice 12: bylaws than we do here

[1:52:15] Voice 12: I

[1:52:15] Voice 12: noticed people

[1:52:16] Voice 12: people talking about budget and as far

[1:52:20] Voice 11: as I understand that there are the way our budget

[1:52:23] Voice 11: our legal budget works our litigation budget is that everybody contributes and it's for the

[1:52:31] Voice 11: trust area to use as decided by the executive committee and I mean my

[1:52:39] Voice 12: some of my criticisms I

[1:52:41] Voice 12: guess let's see here oh sorry a bunch of left notes oh

[1:52:49] Voice 11: sorry social benefit so I mean maybe

[1:52:51] Voice 11: this is something that should be given to the abc to figure out but my general talking people

[1:52:58] Voice 11: and thinking about it is that a social benefit is something that benefits the community as a whole

[1:53:03] Voice 11: and so with that kind of idea in mind with looking at all this

[1:53:06] Voice 12: is that there's a

[1:53:13] Voice 11: lot of a lot of

[1:53:14] Voice 11: people have

[1:53:15] Voice 11: you know different ideas and talking about emergency docs but at the core of this it's

[1:53:20] Voice 11: a bylaw infraction that we're talking about and the rules have to be the same for everybody or

[1:53:24] Voice 11: or it's really not fair.

[1:53:26] Voice 11: It's not about whether there's moorings.

[1:53:27] Voice 11: It's not about whether the people who have the dot contribute to the community.

[1:53:31] Voice 11: I think that whether I like you or not, whether you're a good person or a bad person,

[1:53:35] Voice 11: it doesn't matter.

[1:53:36] Voice 11: The rules are all the same.

[1:53:37] Voice 11: I think that judging people by whether they have to follow the rules,

[1:53:42] Voice 11: by how much money they have, who they are,

[1:53:45] Voice 11: whether they're liked is a bad, slippery slope to get into.

[1:53:51] Voice 11: And I understand a lot of the arguments against,

[1:53:54] Voice 11: against because I mean anybody came to Madeira Park there is a dog every I don't know 30 feet

[1:54:01] Voice 11: let me just keep going here I bet and I understand that that's a concern and a blanket

[1:54:10] Voice 11: acceptance is I mean we're also talking about a precedent here right if we you know allow one dog

[1:54:18] Voice 11: are we going to allow more I know there's lots of places where people don't want dogs I mean

[1:54:21] Voice 11: you know, weather doesn't permit docks, you can lift them. There's options. I mean, you know,

[1:54:27] Voice 11: if they're not money, you can kind of do whatever you want. And we've received a lot of emails in

[1:54:32] Voice 11: support and against. But I mean, without a public hearing, we don't really know. It's often the

[1:54:39] Voice 11: people who are supporting the contentious issue that are going to write in opposed to people who

[1:54:46] Voice 12: were opposed i

[1:54:52] Voice 11: mean yes the doc is very to code and but that still doesn't give you an environment

[1:55:00] Voice 11: as possible it still doesn't give you a right to break the rules i mean these are just excuses i

[1:55:05] Voice 11: mean there's crown lounge there's four four four just

[1:55:09] Voice 12: let me make sure i covered everything

[1:55:16] Voice 11: so i mean i think that tim's point that as this is such a contentious issue that it should have

[1:55:22] Voice 11: have more of course public consultation but i also see that you know it is a sticky issue

[1:55:33] Voice 11: because it's not about all this other stuff it is really about this is our ocp these are land

[1:55:39] Voice 11: used by a lot of data decided by the community and they apply to everybody regardless of any

[1:55:45] Voice 12: personal reasons and i think that's my notes okay um would you like to respond to anything

[1:55:56] Voice 12: that you heard or clarify? I have a couple of things that I wanted to make note of if that's

[1:56:00] Voice 12: possible. One of the things that I did notice with our first application and what was stated

[1:56:07] Voice 12: in those letters of opposition to our application previously was that we went ahead and put the dock

[1:56:15] Voice 12: in after the fact. Very few if any of those letters said there isn't a need for more dock space

[1:56:22] Voice 12: which i think is very important it's something that carl's brought up that the island is it's

[1:56:29] Voice 12: a small island with two access points one access point by transportation very and that's it it's

[1:56:39] Voice 12: not something where um again it's not something where people can come and go from as a whole

[1:56:46] Voice 12: any time, should anything happen to that dock, anything happen to that ferry, if there's

[1:56:53] Voice 12: a fire, if there's something that happens to the road, to the dock, it's a big problem.

[1:56:58] Voice 12: The island is basically shut down.

[1:57:02] Voice 12: More access points give the ability for people to come together as a community to get goods,

[1:57:10] Voice 12: food, people on and off the island.

[1:57:13] Voice 12: That's a given.

[1:57:15] Voice 12: and there isn't anybody that can deny that if they need to get off the island and the school's

[1:57:20] Voice 12: being built and the helicopter can't get there get here

[1:57:23] Voice 14: how

[1:57:25] Voice 12: do they get off the island how do

[1:57:27] Voice 12: they get medical assistance with um our application we are willing to put in an easement on our land

[1:57:35] Voice 12: that allows in favor of the trust that allows access that is on title and it goes should we

[1:57:43] Voice 12: sell it goes to the next owner it's there and good to read okay it's something that uh there's no i

[1:57:54] Voice 12: mean you go through the ocp you can look at all sorts of things and say yes that works with a

[1:58:00] Voice 12: public doctor or a private doctor yes or no that doesn't work there's lots of things that um we can

[1:58:06] Voice 12: take and pluck out of there that meet our needs as an applicant um

[1:58:12] Voice 11: but

[1:58:13] Voice 12: i don't think that that's

[1:58:14] Voice 12: helpful i think that with the policy saying that dogs can be considered on a site-by-site basis

[1:58:20] Voice 12: that is applicable to our situation right now that's why we're here that's why you guys have

[1:58:25] Voice 12: accepted the application is because it is a site it's specific and this is you know social

[1:58:32] Voice 12: of considerations i would say are public consultation talking to people people coming

[1:58:38] Voice 12: here saying that they support it or they're against it i think that's the avenue forward

[1:58:44] Voice 12: should we delay the decision on what we do with this application based on

[1:58:50] Voice 12: the peers association's information to you guys i give that to you if you're willing to look at it

[1:58:56] Voice 12: uh as a greater issue than just our application um then i think that that's the other issue is

[1:59:04] Voice 12: one thing at a time if you do our application first and come back and say mr darwin when you're

[1:59:12] Voice 12: right peace association we'd like to consider that well that's kind of an interest so if you're

[1:59:18] Voice 12: considering the rate pairs associations delegation um ours should be secondary

[1:59:26] Voice 12: all right um i'd

[1:59:29] Voice 8: also like to just add a little bit to what my highlight was saying and what tracy

[1:59:33] was saying just

[1:59:34] Voice 8: as a developer i've done a lot of not myself i guess one i've always hired

[1:59:39] Voice 8: consultants but my understanding has come out a little bit today is the bylaw is the goalpost

[1:59:45] Voice 8: the official community plan is the overall

[1:59:49] Voice 8: supposed to follow. In the by-law, in the GO-GOs,

[1:59:53] Voice 8: there's an application policy 15. When

[1:59:56] Voice 8: you get

[1:59:59] Voice 8: to the official community plan,

[2:00:00] Voice 8: plan it could be read that in there there is avenues depending on whose vision reads it

[2:00:09] Voice 8: for or against those are the steering but those aren't the guidelines so to me there's no

[2:00:17] Voice 8: literature in our official community plan that says at all that you just can't have an application

[2:00:26] that it just that's

[2:00:29] Voice 8: not sort of how it is in my opinion and how it should be um just

[2:00:36] Voice 8: to clarify that the most there is information both ways to look at that so i think it's

[2:00:44] Voice 8: just means responsibility pay attention to that but it isn't absolutely black and white

[2:00:52] Voice 8: that this is not

[2:00:55] Voice 12: in the public's best interest because of this so that's what i don't know

[2:00:58] Voice 12: who made that point well but

[2:00:59] Voice 6: okay so

[2:01:06] Voice 12: uh yeah um

[2:01:09] Voice 10: so just just a point of clarification uh

[2:01:13] Voice 10: tracy i think i heard you say that if the local trust committee is going to explore some kind of

[2:01:20] Voice 10: public uh engagement process around the question of the docs with relation to the to the the

[2:01:27] Voice 10: ratepayers um delegation uh in the context of our ocp review project that you think it would

[2:01:36] Voice 10: be appropriate to wait on determining the decision on on this application is that what i heard you

[2:01:42] Voice 10: say

[2:01:42] Voice 12: that's my that's yes it is okay because if if you guys were to say deny us today and say no

[2:01:51] Voice 12: and

[2:01:51] Voice 10: then you'll change the policies afterwards

[2:01:53] Voice 12: yeah i mean yes yeah

[2:01:56] Voice 10: yeah and of course and we

[2:01:57] Voice 10: kind of got this all yeah and of course you know not having since we haven't had that

[2:02:05] Voice 10: wider public discussion it's it's not for i don't think it's for any of us to say where

[2:02:10] Voice 10: where that would land in terms of potential revisions to the OCP and LUB.

[2:02:14] Voice 10: But as far as the process, that's what I've understood, correct?

[2:02:19] Voice 10: Do you think it's okay if we put off the decision until we've had that public?

[2:02:26] Voice 10: I

[2:02:28] Voice 8: think that it makes a lot of sense.

[2:02:32] Voice 8: I mean, on one hand, it really does.

[2:02:35] Voice 10: Not that it's up to you, but I just wanted to hear your

[2:02:37] Voice 8: thoughts on it.

[2:02:39] Voice 8: The other side of this, I know you guys are sick of this.

[2:02:41] Voice 8: you know we want public consultation and things it's pretty clear maybe there wasn't community

[2:02:50] Voice 8: support before but everybody well is now for sure i mean it's pretty obvious and this whole thing

[2:02:57] Voice 8: has eclipsed even our official community plan it's like how much time we're going to spend on it

[2:03:03] Voice 8: how much official or how much public consultation do we need before we go the public wants it

[2:03:11] Voice 8: it we move forward um and put it behind us because there's so much other business for

[2:03:17] Voice 8: trust needs to do and if we only have this much input on something that mattered like our you

[2:03:23] Voice 8: know our initial community plan or something i mean this has been like one of the biggest issues

[2:03:29] Voice 8: in years and it's pretty small

[2:03:32] Voice 12: sorry if i could um i should see it in the reverse

[2:03:37] Voice 12: When you see something in practical, real life terms, it gives you a chance to create policy that is actually relevant and contextual.

[2:03:49] Voice 14: So

[2:03:49] Voice 12: although this is a small issue and it's kind of dragged on, it highlights so many of the intersectional pieces that we need to consider when drafting overarching policy.

[2:04:03] Voice 12: So, turn the lens around. This illustrates how we can think about our OCP for the next 25, 30 years. It's a good case in point. It's a good place to have the discussion because it's

[2:04:22] Voice 13: really helpful.

[2:04:30] Voice 13: debate

[2:04:30] Voice 12: the actual effects well then what is the social good that we want to see because we have

[2:04:37] Voice 12: an actual case study so i don't think this is a small issue i think it illustrates um for the

[2:04:43] Voice 12: community the kind of conversation we need to have yes okay i agree like

[2:04:47] Voice 12: what are the what are

[2:04:48] Voice 12: the meanings of those words if they're there agency 15 says you can have it no on a side by

[2:04:53] Voice 12: say basically what's the point of

[2:04:54] Voice 8: having it there

[2:04:55] Voice 12: right

[2:04:57] Voice 8: in the violence

[2:05:00] Voice 12: so i think i'm hearing some

[2:05:02] Voice 12: consensus around more community uh debate and discussion about the actual environmental and

[2:05:11] Voice 12: social effects that should be addressed and then written into our ocp for the future so i think

[2:05:17] Voice 12: that is to be added to our ocp project um i'm not sure how to proceed but you would probably

[2:05:25] Voice 12: have an idea so

[2:05:27] Voice 10: i was actually going to ask a question to staff um because there are there's

[2:05:35] Voice 10: certainly there's two ways to approach the larger question and the specific question one is how i i

[2:05:42] Voice 10: suggested earlier that we have that we deal with a larger question and then that informs the

[2:05:47] Voice 10: decision on a smaller question i guess it's conceivably we could deal with a specific

[2:05:53] Voice 10: application and hope that that informs the larger question in the ocp and that is perhaps i mean

[2:05:58] Voice 10: that's potentially a way of approaching it um i don't know that it's the best way but i was going

[2:06:05] Voice 10: to look to staff in terms of uh procedurally how do we trigger the type of public engagement that

[2:06:15] Voice 10: we're talking about uh in regards to the ocp review rather than in regards to the specific

[2:06:21] Voice 10: application i know that if we um if we proceed with the athlete like in the alternative

[2:06:28] Voice 10: um uh suggested uh recommendation here there would be uh opportunity to go to public hearing

[2:06:36] Voice 10: um there's generally this community information meeting prior to that so but i'm actually thinking

[2:06:43] Voice 10: it would be good to have the general discussion first that's where i'm leaning right now so just

[2:06:51] Voice 10: in terms of um generating those discussions as official proceedings of the local trust committee

[2:07:00] Voice 10: um i'm just looking for some staff advice on how we proceed with that and because of course there's

[2:07:07] Voice 10: going to be funds expensed uh to make that all happen so i'm just looking for some advice on

[2:07:13] Voice 10: if we want to proceed in the way i'm suggesting well um you

[2:07:21] Voice 12: have a minor project which is

[2:07:23] Voice 12: you know this but which is your official community fund and associated with it as a project charter

[2:07:29] Voice 12: which states what you've been doing what's in scope what is not um it also has a budget

[2:07:38] Voice 12: associated with it and there's been no request for additional funds for this coming fiscal year

[2:07:47] Voice 12: beyond what's allowed with your minor project so that would be the for the entire project that

[2:07:56] Voice 12: would be the budget you would be left with is that for this coming fiscal at least is that

[2:08:02] Voice 12: I believe it's five thousand is the max and I think we budgeted four thousand perhaps for the

[2:08:06] Voice 12: the coming fiscal year um but you're also looking at delaying the entire project on this basis

[2:08:12] Voice 12: possibly because which is maybe you may want to do but it's it's going to impact i guess what i'm

[2:08:19] Voice 12: trying to say is it's going to impact the timeline of the project and the work plan that we set out

[2:08:25] Voice 12: to add a new topic at this stage for for public consultation to potentially you know you're going

[2:08:31] Voice 12: to likely look to amend some policies after that conversation as a result of what you hear um so

[2:08:41] Voice 10: follow-up um if we like the other route and uh proceeded with this application as

[2:08:49] Voice 10: per the alternative recommendation what is the budgetary um what you know and say we want to

[2:09:00] Voice 10: do a public hearing on that then what how does that that interact with the budget the because

[2:09:06] Voice 10: this is an application

[2:09:06] Voice 12: you've received we um when people make an application they submit a fee and

[2:09:12] Voice 12: that covers um to some degree at least it covers the the cost of processing the application um so

[2:09:20] Voice 12: there's no budget application with that public hearing um that's just that it's normal business

[2:09:25] Voice 12: that people who have made applications and we process them and part of the bylaw amendment

[2:09:32] Voice 12: process is the is a public hearing or quick candidate public hearings so you can hear where

[2:09:39] Voice 12: trustee peterson was going here well

[2:09:42] Voice 10: i'm my wheels are turning because of course we're

[2:09:46] Voice 10: the budget's going to be approved but by the end of this month for for trust council we didn't get a

[2:09:55] Voice 10: budget uh business cage in for the local trust committee to go for a larger ocp project i'm

[2:10:02] Voice 10: just trying to i'm basically thinking out loud how we want to proceed because i think it is

[2:10:09] Voice 10: important to have i think it is important to have a community discussion about are are we

[2:10:16] Voice 10: are we as a community content with the policies in the ocp and the and the regulations within

[2:10:23] Voice 10: the land use bylaw when it comes to the docks um so but

[2:10:27] Voice 12: so wouldn't the okay if the ocp work

[2:10:33] Voice 12: continues as written and it has some pretty general policies about conservation objectives

[2:10:40] Voice 12: on the marine and foreshore wouldn't the time to draft amendments that would change like this bylaw

[2:10:50] Voice 12: would be in the regulatory um bylaw amending stage um where we could define more clearly

[2:10:59] Voice 12: i mean the benefit like that the lub amendments is really the place where we clarify and define

[2:11:11] Voice 12: how the ocp policies are enacted so i think like and we're crossing projects because that's

[2:11:21] Voice 12: just the nature of the work today that's okay um but looking at the the ocp uh draft

[2:11:31] Voice 12: and maybe we can take lunch time to kind of think about this a little bit more

[2:11:35] Voice 12: i don't see anything in here that would dramatically shift if the lub the changing

[2:11:44] Voice 12: of the bio or themselves that would define a little better what we're looking for in terms

[2:11:51] Voice 12: we could need a social good environmental protection i think i don't think this should

[2:11:57] Voice 12: be put on hold and then the ocp project but your application can actually advance the work of

[2:12:06] Voice 12: considering you

[2:12:07] Voice 8: can use the money we paid for it to

[2:12:09] Voice 8: pay for it i

[2:12:10] Voice 12: didn't want to say that

[2:12:11] Voice 12: yeah not

[2:12:13] Voice 8: the benefits let it pay for it it kills two birds with one stone um

[2:12:20] Voice 12: okay

[2:12:22] Voice 12: yeah sorry no i just want to clarify the public hearing would be related to the application

[2:12:28] Voice 12: itself it wouldn't be about a defraud conversation about docs it would be about the application

[2:12:36] Voice 12: right right now that's true information so a lot of information that would come out probably

[2:12:44] Voice 10: well i mean it could certainly inform um further discussion around the official competing plan

[2:12:50] Voice 10: land use bylaw but i take your point it's it's it's in security well

[2:12:56] Voice 12: on the you know on our

[2:12:58] Voice 12: future projects list ocp and lub shoreline management plan a available plan for managing

[2:13:04] Voice 12: mooring buoys and road access to the shoreline in scotty bay it's on the future projects list

[2:13:09] Voice 12: it is not a resource is the problem there's also community mapping of values along the shorelines

[2:13:15] Voice 12: of the skidi island so how do we get this incorporated into our current ocp

[2:13:22] Voice 12: is

[2:13:22] Voice 8: it a conflict of interest if we help resource it as for a community benefit well your taxpayers

[2:13:27] Voice 12: i don't know i

[2:13:30] Voice 8: mean very interesting question we made a contribution to help fund this

[2:13:35] Voice 8: as well as our statutory right away is that advanced social environmental concerns or is

[2:13:42] Voice 8: out of conflict of interest well

[2:13:44] Voice 12: it's a very good question um can we take note of these questions

[2:13:48] Voice 12: and and uh kind of get back to it i'm interested

[2:13:52] Voice 12: to see this community mapping of values along the

[2:13:55] Voice 12: shorelines the offer from the rate payers association was kind of along that line of

[2:14:00] Voice 12: like you need to map where appropriate places to put docks or have public access

[2:14:07] Voice 12: maybe

[2:14:08] Voice 8: i can help all right and that's how that works

[2:14:12] Voice 12: right yeah it's okay so we got a lot to

[2:14:17] Voice 12: consider what i'd like to know is how how firm are you on talked about statutory right of ways

[2:14:26] Voice 12: or easements uh covenants that would go on title um have you researched what that would take and

[2:14:33] Voice 12: And the sort of avenues, because that doesn't appear in the report.

[2:14:36] Voice 12: So it's quite simple.

[2:14:39] Voice 12: I mean, last week after I found out that this was coming up on this meeting,

[2:14:44] Voice 12: I emailed our lawyer and said, you know,

[2:14:47] Voice 12: here's what we had suggested as access for emergency uses.

[2:14:53] Voice 12: How do we make that happen?

[2:14:55] Voice 12: And he suggested a statutory right-of-way.

[2:14:59] Voice 12: It's very simple. It gives the specified, not people, I guess, individual organizations access to the land.

[2:15:11] Voice 12: You can specify a specific area and land that we're on right now is specifically off to the right side of it as a road that goes down to the beach.

[2:15:20] Voice 12: It doesn't interfere with the living in our house or anything. It goes right down to the beach to the dock.

[2:15:25] Voice 12: you can

[2:15:26] Voice 12: turn the vehicle around down there. There's a walkway to get on to the dock. You

[2:15:35] Voice 12: have multiple boats more there tied up and off they go. So that would be my avenue list

[2:15:43] Voice 12: to suggest very simply just a form that's put up by the lawyer and what form number

[2:15:48] Voice 12: it is. But it just goes into the land titles, the owners of the land sign it and it's done.

[2:15:55] Voice 8: right it would only go from the road to the edge of the foreshore yeah it's too messy to try and

[2:16:03] Voice 8: talk about a dock that we own the property but we don't it's only at least so but obviously once you

[2:16:09] Voice 8: have access from the road to the natural boundary to the sea no future owners or anybody can

[2:16:18] can inadvertently

[2:16:19] Voice 8: or purposely block that and once you get to there it's pretty easy for emergency

[2:16:25] Voice 8: people to use that that work um it would include you know some indemnity for emergency for our

[2:16:33] Voice 8: insurance so i can get house insurance from you know so that uh emergency personnel that do use

[2:16:39] Voice 8: that they obviously have their own insurance so it's not the end of the world but it would

[2:16:43] Voice 8: be in that agreement i you know obviously that has to be there okay um

[2:16:47] Voice 8: i

[2:16:49] Voice 12: do have the actual

[2:16:50] Voice 12: language that larry sent to me if you guys want to come and talk to me thanks well thanks for doing

[2:16:58] Voice 12: all this free work because that was one of the main questions um i had anyways and i see you

[2:17:06] Voice 12: yeah we're not taking comments from the public at this time

[2:17:11] Voice 12: can you do it at lunchtime you do it at lunchtime you do it at lunchtime thank you yeah i'm sorry

[2:17:17] Voice 8: we didn't add that sooner i i actually have always wanted to do this from day one but i thought i was

[2:17:22] Voice 8: going to get a request how it was worded rather than me telling you so that's why we only did

[2:17:26] Voice 8: this now because i didn't really know that i was going to make an offering maybe it would look like

[2:17:32] Voice 8: a requirement so so

[2:17:33] Voice 12: this is tricky because we don't we are not emergency response is not part

[2:17:38] Voice 12: of the island's trust um

[2:17:40] Voice 10: i haven't thought about that because i was going to say this uh

[2:17:45] Voice 10: um granting island stress on its agents but i think actually it would more be um granting the

[2:17:54] Voice 10: uh emergency services people and maybe islands trust would be allowed to help designate who

[2:18:01] Voice 10: those emergencies look at people's are right but this is i know this is this isn't the thing this

[2:18:06] Voice 10: is a starting point

[2:18:07] Voice 12: right i mean that's

[2:18:08] Voice 12: that and um someone can correct me if i'm wrong but

[2:18:12] Voice 12: when you have a special right away you have to determine who it is that places them in your land

[2:18:19] Voice 12: or who it is that can take it off this

[2:18:21] Voice 14: would

[2:18:22] Voice 12: be an agreement with the island's trust that

[2:18:25] Voice 12: you allowed us the doc in lieu of allowing us access for emergencies it's it's the island's

[2:18:32] Voice 12: trust that's saying that that has to happen so you're the only one we can connect with us

[2:18:39] Voice 10: yeah i know i get i get what you're saying here yeah um and then i guess one outstanding question

[2:18:46] Voice 10: to me and i don't know if you guys have an answer to this because i i hear you made it pretty clear

[2:18:54] Voice 10: that in terms of stats going right away on on the property would lead to the entrance to the dock

[2:19:00] Voice 10: but I'm just thinking about the in perpetuity part of it and so I wonder

[2:19:07] Voice 10: what like accessing the dock itself let's say that there's another over

[2:19:14] Voice 10: down the down the line and I'm wondering if you have looked at what where what

[2:19:22] Voice 10: kind of security or covenant can be made in that section of it because it sounds

[2:19:27] Voice 10: like there's sort of a line drawn there and I'm not sure where that

[2:19:30] Voice 8: it's a great

[2:19:31] Voice 8: Great question, Tim. And luckily, emergency personnel have the right in an emergency to use anybody's land.

[2:19:38] Voice 8: Anyways, and so at least if we can get from the road to the natural boundary,

[2:19:46] Voice 8: there really isn't an easy way to intentionally or inadvertently any landowner block that way once you get to the dock, right?

[2:19:56] Voice 8: But up at the property or anywhere along big gates, equipment can be hard.

[2:20:01] Voice 8: I know what I'm trying to answer, but the point that I'm getting to is from the natural

[2:20:06] Voice 8: boundary out, since it's a general permission document, that's all you can get, we can look

[2:20:12] Voice 8: into it, but I cannot guarantee I have that right, even as, you know, I'm good with the

[2:20:19] Voice 8: Crown, with general permission, it doesn't mean I'm allowed to give anything away, is

[2:20:22] Voice 8: what I'm saying.

[2:20:23] Voice 8: No,

[2:20:23] Voice 10: no, I'm hearing that, but you brought up the point that I was considering, is what

[2:20:28] Voice 10: about a gate is it and maybe you just answered that but if the gate is not on your land but on

[2:20:36] Voice 10: the crown lease then that seems like that would be the wiggle room for some future owner to deny

[2:20:43] Voice 10: access yeah that's what i guess that's what i'm the pit bit i'm trying to let it work

[2:20:47] Voice 10: to

[2:20:47] Voice 8: not be against the agreement permission because no one's remembering that but there is no free

[2:20:57] Voice 8: free-falling docks. These general permission guidelines

[2:21:01] Voice 8: are strict. Like, even if Carl finds ten places that can

[2:21:05] Voice 8: have one, it doesn't mean that

[2:21:09] Voice 8: very many of those will even walk.

[2:21:13] Voice 10: Just a

[2:21:14] Voice 10: point, like, if we're looking at

[2:21:17] Voice 10: covenanting or writing a way, it needs to flow all

[2:21:20] Voice 8: the way to

[2:21:21] Voice 10: the sea.

[2:21:21] Voice 10: you guys guarantee

[2:21:22] Voice 8: yeah yeah

[2:21:24] Voice 8: we go from the road to the foreshore sure i'll do anything on the dock

[2:21:28] Voice 8: yeah i'm

[2:21:29] Voice 8: allowed to do but i don't know what that is yeah no i mean that was my question is is it is

[2:21:34] Voice 8: it legal to put a gate on the gangway probably for a

[2:21:40] Voice 8: future owner that's that's what i'm trying

[2:21:42] Voice 12: this problem that's true because if we have to um in the general permission guidelines it says you

[2:21:51] Voice 12: have to allow access around over and around

[2:21:58] Voice 13: that's right right

[2:21:59] Voice 12: to the public that's right you we

[2:22:03] Voice 12: can't do that yeah yeah it's

[2:22:06] Voice 8: just one of those it's

[2:22:07] Voice 12: not allowed yeah that's true yeah yeah it's

[2:22:10] Voice 12: not possible yeah

[2:22:11] Voice 8: and we just of course if we go that route we definitely want to have that yeah

[2:22:15] Voice 8: we just gotta make sure i'm giving something away that i have the right to

[2:22:21] Voice 8: so

[2:22:22] Voice 12: the dog shall be used for private residential board purposes only and the owner of the dog

[2:22:27] Voice 12: must not use the dog for commercial purposes or make the dog available to others for a fee

[2:22:32] Voice 12: that was one of my concerns was well it could just be turned if somebody bought it

[2:22:40] Voice 12: but you wouldn't want to see this turned into a locked gate private marina,

[2:22:46] Voice 12: which I've seen on

[2:22:47] Voice 12: Gabriel Island.

[2:22:49] Voice 13: It's a

[2:22:49] Voice 12: privately managed marina that isn't

[2:22:52] Voice 12: legal to be there, right?

[2:22:54] Voice 12: So what I'd like to do is make sure we have all the information

[2:23:00] Voice 12: and take lunchtime to kind of consider our approach

[2:23:03] Voice 12: and also think about the OCP project

[2:23:06] Voice 12: and encourage trustees to talk to community members

[2:23:09] Voice 12: and you know let's have a bit of a conversation about the best approach and then come back and

[2:23:16] Voice 12: make our decision you guys feel comfortable with that do we have all the information do we have

[2:23:22] Voice 12: any more questions well

[2:23:24] Voice 10: we don't have all the information today we won't no

[2:23:27] Voice 12: no yeah that's

[2:23:29] Voice 10: what i'm going to

[2:23:30] Voice 12: point out is that alternative recommendation is yes um what would be you

[2:23:37] Voice 12: seeking information and spelling out what is it that you want to know yeah and

[2:23:41] Voice 12: then um and then

[2:23:43] Voice 12: that would come back to you at a later meeting um would allow us the time to some of these

[2:23:48] Voice 12: questions that keep coming up

[2:23:49] Voice 14: yep okay and

[2:23:52] Voice 12: feel free to ask us if we can help answer them we

[2:23:56] Voice 12: don't know you're not the only answer like what do you need this is the toughest regulatory

[2:24:06] Voice 12: regulatory environment i swear um we all have it's i mean i spend so much time asking how do i

[2:24:12] Voice 8: satisfy this and the fact that i haven't isn't lack of

[2:24:16] Voice 12: trying well no but think about it bc

[2:24:19] Voice 12: was settled later than the rest of canada the gulf islands were settled even later

[2:24:23] Voice 7: so a lot

[2:24:24] Voice 7: of

[2:24:24] Voice 12: the processes that are well entrenched in cities and urban areas are still yet to be worked

[2:24:30] Voice 12: out here and

[2:24:30] Voice 12: actually this is this is the conversation about designing your OCP for the

[2:24:35] Voice 12: future what are the current and projected needs right so housing may not have been an issue 25

[2:24:41] Voice 12: years ago we need to think about it now right so um this is this is the unique nature of the

[2:24:48] Voice 12: islands is and and and to Morrison a former trustee Morrison's letter that docks are not

[2:24:55] Voice 12: a unique amenity and I kind of wanted to surface this to get everybody thinking that unique

[2:25:02] Voice 12: amenities because this is the statute the act that gives us our directive and created the

[2:25:07] Voice 12: islands trust is to protect and preserve the islands and the unique amenities and the thought

[2:25:14] Voice 12: that I've been having on the last year or so going to local trust areas is each island is very

[2:25:20] Voice 12: different and how

[2:25:21] Voice 12: it defines your unique amenities actually is how your ocp needs to be drafted

[2:25:29] Voice 12: so thinking about okay boat access only the limitations we don't have ferries it's private

[2:25:36] Voice 12: ferry service all of that so perhaps docks considering docks in appropriate spaces may be

[2:25:42] Voice 12: a unique amenity for the skating and so then you need to work on your policies and make sure that

[2:25:48] Voice 12: that's um in there so creating an OCP for your community defining those unique amenities and

[2:25:54] Voice 12: what is preserved and protected and then your regulatory body that flows from that uh to give

[2:26:00] Voice 12: good direction so that people aren't in the dark that's this whole messy sausage making process

[2:26:06] Voice 12: so thank you for your time and um all the good thoughts and input into this I think we'll just

[2:26:13] Voice 12: take a break I've done enough talking for sure and come back at what time is it now

[2:26:22] Voice 12: 146 we'll come back at two or is that too

[2:26:29] Voice 12: late yeah two o'clock okay so 30 minute break and

[2:26:34] Voice 12: thank you everybody

[3:01:35] Voice 12: We're in the middle of considering

[3:01:38] Voice 12: The rezoning application carried, the application for the doc, and we're quite over time, but

[3:01:47] Voice 12: I don't want to speed through the process.

[3:01:48] Voice 12: So, if you've had a chance to think, what are your, what's your preferred tack?

[3:02:03] Voice 12: Okay, so I will say that there is definitely demonstrated a lot of community support for

[3:02:13] Voice 12: this rezoning.

[3:02:14] Voice 12: me. I do commend the applicant for trying to do the right thing. And I do recognize that are

[3:02:23] Voice 12: the bylaws that try to direct how to move through this kind of process are somewhat ambiguous. And

[3:02:35] Voice 12: I think what I consider when I'm trying to make decisions about this is what's going to give the

[3:02:45] Voice 12: greatest net benefit environmentally, socially, and community-wise. Because one of the things

[3:02:57] Voice 12: we have to think about is we're all living together, you know, and we have to work together,

[3:03:02] Voice 12: and it doesn't help the social fabric to let divisive issues, you know, sort of take precedence

[3:03:15] Voice 12: over um the broadest community good defining that community good i think is up to the elected

[3:03:26] Voice 12: body of the time working together with the community and we need to still have that

[3:03:31] Voice 12: conversation is what i'm hearing so does anyone think that we should deny the application

[3:03:44] Voice 12: at this point not yet no and

[3:04:03] Voice 10: I'm trying to

[3:04:05] Voice 12: knock the options off like let's get

[3:04:07] Voice 10: us to um I had a question though for staff

[3:04:12] Voice 10: half in terms of, in terms of process, like, so is deferring decision is, I believe, a

[3:04:31] Voice 10: legitimate approach, deferring decision on this, there's one way to look at it. Of course,

[3:04:38] Voice 10: there's the all

[3:04:38] Voice 13: recommendation here i'm not i remember a little

[3:04:52] Voice 10: undecided on whether that's

[3:04:54] Voice 10: where we want to go today but um referral to another meeting in particular a few of that

[3:05:03] Voice 10: so you you can yeah you can defer to another okay you can then necessary to specify when

[3:05:10] Voice 10: when we're deferring to, if we decide to defer?

[3:05:13] Voice 12: Should defer.

[3:05:14] Voice 12: Yes,

[3:05:14] Voice 10: yeah, I think that's right.

[3:05:16] Voice 10: You should say when, until when,

[3:05:19] Voice 12: and then here's some-

[3:05:21] Voice 10: It's got to be different.

[3:05:21] Voice 10: And then

[3:05:23] Voice 10: so further would be around the capacity

[3:05:27] Voice 10: to have some type of community engagement session

[3:05:33] Voice 10: regarding the larger question of DOTS, the OCP.

[3:05:37] Voice 10: And can we do that as a,

[3:05:40] Voice 10: i mean i understand we want to you want us to add it to the project charter

[3:05:44] Voice 10: um but then in terms of being able to do that piece in a timely manner

[3:05:52] Voice 10: um that would that would help make the decision around when we defer to so

[3:05:59] Voice 12: you know

[3:06:02] Voice 12: perhaps you could just stay defer until this conversation has happened has occurred

[3:06:12] Voice 12: but yeah i'm concerned with how we're going to resource this conversation i'm not

[3:06:18] Voice 12: worried about whether it fits under uh ocp project charter or with this application

[3:06:28] Voice 12: but it needs to have some net good that advances uh consideration of the issues

[3:06:34] Voice 12: Like, we need to move forward. And so either putting it in the OCP project bucket, or this application bucket, I'd like to see this conversation move forward. And there's, there's great support for doing some, some community research that maybe won't, you know, that we don't have to undertake.

[3:06:56] Voice 12: Hey, how feasible is it for, say, the Ratepayers Association to do that survey, produce, you know, here's an assessment of the lots, and then we can go through and looking at, through the lens of current OCP's policies, knock whichever one's off the list, and actually have a short list of potential dock areas mapped out, which is, would make sense.

[3:07:27] Voice 12: I don't know is that I'm so yeah I'm in favor of asking for more information about how the proposed

[3:07:42] Voice 12: dock would be secured for emergency and community use so that statutory right-of-way

[3:07:53] Voice 12: what would that look like and how would access to the dock be secured in perpetuity

[3:07:59] Voice 12: because what i'm hearing from the community is there is evidence that they're they've made it

[3:08:05] Voice 12: available it has been used for an emergency evacuation if i'm not mistaken there's been

[3:08:12] Voice 12: it's been okay so it has been used already not

[3:08:16] Voice 8: with first responders okay just people that

[3:08:18] Voice 8: phone me and say can you get me off the earth okay

[3:08:22] Voice 12: right so how to enshrine that in a um

[3:08:29] Voice 12: what's the word i'm looking for legally

[3:08:32] Voice 10: binding way in perpetuity right yeah

[3:08:36] Voice 12: yeah

[3:08:37] Voice 8: and when we propose that to you you're welcome to say like we might have to modify it

[3:08:44] Voice 12: we

[3:08:45] Voice 8: don't know exactly

[3:08:46] Voice 8: what you want well

[3:08:47] Voice 12: i'm i'm you know i struggle with the language because i

[3:08:51] Voice 12: I don't, I, the trust is limited in how it's, you know, our agents, we can't give direction

[3:08:58] Voice 12: to contractors or volunteers, but we could work in partnership with whatever body that

[3:09:05] Voice 12: is, who could, you know, then delegate that responsibility.

[3:09:10] Voice 12: So I think we do, this would have to be referred to our legal team.

[3:09:15] Voice 12: So perhaps if we got a proposal from you about what that would look like, and then

[3:09:20] Voice 12: that gets um referred to legal that we can understand what our limits are

[3:09:27] Voice 12: if you direct that you would like additional information i can work with the applicant too

[3:09:35] Voice 12: um and i you know to provide that right i mean if they have um some proposed right away

[3:09:44] Voice 12: then we can bring that we can also we can also look at what options are available and

[3:09:52] Voice 13: we're

[3:09:52] Voice 8: pretty open to any option that doesn't make us enough possible to get insurance right

[3:09:57] Voice 8: you know we have to stick with some kind of goalposts for sure

[3:10:04] Voice 12: in your um suggestion here you say to identify boobies in the doctor emergencies and that is

[3:10:12] Voice 12: something that i was curious about i've been a first responder dispatcher for the last four

[3:10:16] Voice 12: years here and number one they'll get a helicopter it's

[3:10:21] Voice 11: three hours so if someone needs a helicopter

[3:10:22] Voice 11: more then they'll send the coast guard but the coast guard will only come to false bay

[3:10:28] Voice 11: if it is life or death so i'm curious about who would want especially because we are i mean though

[3:10:34] Voice 11: we are pal river ridge district we definitely generally deal with parksville area who would be

[3:10:40] Voice 11: be using in this dock?

[3:10:43] Voice 12: I don't think it's that common either.

[3:10:46] Voice 8: I think, but at the end of the day, it's there.

[3:10:48] Voice 8: And in the event of a forest fire or

[3:10:52] Voice 13: anything where you,

[3:10:53] Voice 8: you know,

[3:10:53] Voice 13: any of our roads could be cut off.

[3:10:55] Voice 13: There really isn't

[3:10:56] Voice 8: much on the North end.

[3:10:57] Voice 13: We do have a chicken yard,

[3:10:58] Voice 8: but it's non-common for there to be five or six or seven

[3:11:03] Voice 8: big, huge commercial boats.

[3:11:05] Voice 8: You could never pack a body or pumps or gear over those.

[3:11:09] Voice 8: You'd be surprised what you can do.

[3:11:12] Voice 8: As my literally is rolled out, it's

[3:11:16] Voice 8: Sorry, or

[3:11:18] Voice 5: by for to get down.

[3:11:21] Voice 8: But it's and but the rent itself, even on a low tide as less than any round,

[3:11:29] Voice 12: especially especially

[3:11:31] Voice 8: edition here. So you don't need to do a dirty or wheelbarrows and things like that. It's a small

[3:11:36] Voice 8: doc i i want here to profess that it's going to work all the time but even if it only works once

[3:11:44] Voice 8: in a generation yeah

[3:11:45] Voice 12: this is

[3:11:46] Voice 11: a core argument for why your dog should be permitted then it seems

[3:11:50] Voice 11: like it should be something that's used on the regular other than once a decade just a thought

[3:11:55] Voice 12: there i don't know i

[3:11:57] Voice 8: i i understand where that's coming from

[3:11:59] Voice 8: i just don't know that that would be

[3:12:02] Voice 8: other than you know you see so many public people in their comments about i've never

[3:12:09] Voice 8: treated anybody in town that's asked me politely can i use it like you mean

[3:12:13] Voice 11: like a public comment

[3:12:15] Voice 11: you mean like on facebook no

[3:12:16] Voice 8: like in some of the letters oh you know i used it to haul fuel

[3:12:20] Voice 8: because they're not allowed on it so it's not just emergency like that doc yeah is

[3:12:24] Voice 8: used all the time

[3:12:26] Voice 8: by all kinds of members of our community and uh yes i own all the legal liabilities so i don't

[3:12:33] Voice 8: let it be a free for all yeah but when people i've not turned one person home and let me tell

[3:12:38] Voice 8: you it's been like it's it's full all the time it's not

[3:12:41] Voice 12: something that we publicly offer of course

[3:12:47] Voice 8: on it's been handy and all the dangerous good the little things that when fuel runs out people are

[3:13:01] Voice 8: in there like i've got fuel banks and okay we

[3:13:05] Voice 12: need to keep going um would you potentially be willing

[3:13:08] Voice 12: willing to host a community information meeting, because I have seen this done in other local

[3:13:19] Voice 12: trust areas where an applicant is, we've asked the applicant to basically do the legwork

[3:13:24] Voice 12: and say, have a public meeting, you can have it by Zoom or whatever you want, these are

[3:13:31] Voice 12: the parameters, you're going to ask these questions and report back to us, you know,

[3:13:36] Voice 12: and you kind of ask the applicant to do the work and as local trustees we can attend

[3:13:40] Voice 12: we can listen that kind of thing so that's one question um so i would be prepared to move the

[3:13:48] Voice 12: alternative recommendation to request the applicant that the applicant work with planning

[3:13:52] Voice 12: staff to provide the following prior to the local trust committee considering first reading of draft

[3:13:58] Voice 12: bylaws so i'd say a yes how it would be legally secured in perpetuity for emergency services

[3:14:04] Voice 12: and or public access because I think there's a there's a lot of conversation about well

[3:14:10] Voice 12: what well do we want to just define it to emergency services and only for responders

[3:14:17] Voice 12: so how would it look like if it's a general public access are those two distinct I can't ensure

[3:14:23] Voice 8: the general responders is what I can do okay because it's any sort of open it's just not

[3:14:31] Voice 8: not possible out of the way I continue what you're doing right I

[3:14:35] Voice 8: can do that and I am doing that but

[3:14:37] Voice 8: honestly the lawyers won't let me so

[3:14:39] Voice 12: public access is just written in is not going to work okay the

[3:14:43] Voice 12: public also the general permission guidelines specifically say that it cannot be a public

[3:14:47] Voice 12: it's not part of a doc so public doc is a different set of rules and it's it that's years away

[3:14:55] Voice 12: so that can't be done by the way at the other location

[3:15:00] Voice 12: I have

[3:15:01] Voice 10: a question, I don't know if anyone in the room has the answer.

[3:15:07] Voice 10: Interesting to hear what you just said about the public access and the general permission.

[3:15:15] Voice 10: So that raises the question to me, when in the OCP, when it talks about community docks,

[3:15:26] Voice 10: um i wonder how that squares with general permission thank you tim i've been trying

[3:15:33] Voice 8: to

[3:15:34] Voice 10: explain it does

[3:15:34] Voice 8: not swear it cannot apply for specific permission period right now in dc

[3:15:40] Voice 8: the only option the only thing on the menu is general permission docs they do not qualify for

[3:15:48] Voice 8: that at all what we can get to a community doctor for vigilance is what we're offering today where

[3:15:55] Voice 8: we have a right away for emergency, it's some benefit, but that's as close as we can get.

[3:16:02] Voice 8: They're not even accepting applications for proportional leases. The General Permission

[3:16:06] Voice 8: Guidelines that we're on, I think, it's so clear what we can and can't do. And that means

[3:16:14] Voice 8: also this stock is better than nothing because there's no public stocks happening on this

[3:16:20] Voice 8: on in fifth generation because

[3:16:22] Voice 10: there's no process for the promise for it because i mean my reading

[3:16:27] Voice 10: when i when i looked at that provision in the ocp it doesn't to me when it says you know community

[3:16:35] Voice 10: docs are encouraged that to me a community doc is not necessarily a public doc right

[3:16:43] Voice 2: like

[3:16:45] Voice 10: i could i

[3:16:46] Voice 10: I could see an argument being made that the community doc is a private doc

[3:16:52] Voice 10: that is accessible by X number of people or certain people in the community.

[3:16:58] Voice 14: And

[3:16:59] Voice 10: then you could call it a community doc, even though it's not a public doc.

[3:17:05] Voice 10: And I think there's a distinction there.

[3:17:06] Voice 10: I'm just not sure legally what that distinction is.

[3:17:11] Voice 8: And there's a

[3:17:12] Voice 8: level of community when I sign it off in perpetuity,

[3:17:14] Voice 10: even for first responders.

[3:17:16] Voice 10: there is i mean is it perfect i'm just i'm basically i'm just wondering out loud

[3:17:26] Voice 10: um yeah i'm sort of wondering out loud how where those distinctions lie between

[3:17:33] Voice 10: you know what's encouraging the ocp and the legality um in terms of the the public or

[3:17:44] Voice 10: non-public use right because i think i think you could argue that a community doc could be

[3:17:51] Voice 10: private and still qualify as a community

[3:17:53] Voice 8: doc but yeah i'm

[3:17:57] Voice 8: no legal scholar here and it's tricky

[3:17:59] Voice 8: like i say as far as how we handle insurance because you can't just sewer me as i can't i

[3:18:05] Voice 8: i have to you know i can't go that way it becomes unsaleable it's not insurable

[3:18:10] Voice 8: I just can't even look at that, right? We have to be very careful with, yeah.

[3:18:16] Voice 10: No, I understand. We've had this conversation before, but we haven't had it at the local trust committee table.

[3:18:24] Voice 10: And again, I don't know the answer.

[3:18:28] Voice 8: If I did a public consultation just by myself, knowing Laskini, I'm happy to do it.

[3:18:34] Voice 8: it's not the cost or whatever i just feel like we get such a small representation it's like

[3:18:40] Voice 8: that was the utility and duck feeling with the rate payers association because even that it's

[3:18:47] Voice 8: going to be hard to get the public do we want a couple more docs but i wonder like i'm happy to

[3:18:54] Voice 8: do it i'm just worried like three people i have

[3:19:00] Voice 10: another uh i have a question for staff which is

[3:19:03] Voice 10: about um timing and triggering a public hearing and uh i mean i know we have to have at least

[3:19:12] Voice 10: one reading and i know that usually a public hearing occurred between second and third reading

[3:19:20] Voice 10: however is there any particular legal uh sort of constraints on when we were when we held a public

[3:19:30] Voice 10: hearing okay i know there's what we usually practice but i wonder what are we allowed to

[3:19:37] Voice 10: do in terms of time in the public hearing and reading in terms of meetings the public hearing

[3:19:42] Voice 10: needs to be

[3:19:42] Voice 12: between first and third reading okay

[3:19:45] Voice 10: so it could be any time after first

[3:19:47] Voice 10: and before third so it could it could occur before or after second okay

[3:19:53] Voice 10: Okay, so

[3:19:54] Voice 12: I would be in favor of moving that alternative motion, like I said, A, B, and C, but with the addition of and holding community information meeting, because this is part of the information gathering process that we're looking before we draft bylaws.

[3:20:11] Voice 12: us could hold a community information meeting to further inform the definition of social good

[3:20:18] Voice 12: that would be secured for the benefit of the community because if we could get people saying

[3:20:27] Voice 12: we'd like to see this and this and this and this then that gets together in a package with what is

[3:20:34] Voice 12: legally possible and could you know still allow you to get insurance we'd have the information

[3:20:41] Voice 12: for the community to define that social good that we're struggling to define you know it's pretty

[3:20:47] Voice 12: clear emergency services would be a great social good but this would kind of be the the proof that

[3:20:53] Voice 12: would help does that make sense the bylaw would it inform the bylaw would that help drafting the

[3:21:00] Voice 12: bylaw amendment if we get to that stage steven um or is there any point to that maybe after

[3:21:10] Voice 12: you're out to the dialogue yeah

[3:21:12] Voice 8: first reading and then we present that to the public yeah because

[3:21:16] Voice 8: it's what am i presenting i don't quite get it

[3:21:19] Voice 12: right sorry i

[3:21:20] Voice 10: would also say that um if a meeting

[3:21:28] Voice 10: like that occurred after first reading uh we might get a larger diversity of opinions showing up

[3:21:37] Voice 10: um to me even a negative reason well this is this is

[3:21:41] Voice 10: what i'm saying although we heard from some

[3:21:44] Voice 10: members of the public today who supported the the first recommendation not to proceed any further

[3:21:51] Voice 10: giving first reading doesn't this doesn't i mean some people will take it as that we're signaling

[3:21:57] Voice 10: that we're going to prove the application but in terms of the process it actually does not guarantee

[3:22:03] Voice 10: that at all it exceeds it's

[3:22:05] Voice 10: a first no

[3:22:06] Voice 12: it's the first draft

[3:22:07] Voice 10: it's the first draft

[3:22:08] Voice 12: yeah let's just

[3:22:08] Voice 12: talk about

[3:22:09] Voice 10: it so let's make the motion go through that i'm just trying to sort this out for myself

[3:22:18] Voice 10: so yeah if we went with the alternative uh recommendation here and um and and then i guess

[3:22:31] Voice 10: would we have staff would be working with the applicants and coming back to us um before we'd

[3:22:38] Voice 10: actually be considering a first reading but i do agree that if we're gonna if we're gonna look for

[3:22:45] Voice 10: public engagement i think we're probably gonna have more robust uh public engagement after a

[3:22:50] Voice 10: first reading that's my sense because i think those four will still come out and i think that

[3:22:59] Voice 10: those are those that are opposed will definitely start showing up i mean today we didn't we heard

[3:23:05] Voice 10: a lot in favor and only a couple of those i'm aware that there are people that wrote us that

[3:23:11] Voice 10: are opposed they didn't show up today so we can't judge it on the turnout today okay

[3:23:16] Voice 12: can we just

[3:23:16] Voice 12: move the resolution and discuss any further and and move on you had

[3:23:22] Voice 12: a one question but

[3:23:23] Voice 12: no it's okay let me get the resolution on the table yeah and then we can discuss it ask

[3:23:28] Voice 12: questions make sure okay there's a slight modification just in the morning so i move

[3:23:32] Voice 12: that the musketeer island local trust committee requests that the applicant for la rezoning

[3:23:38] Voice 12: 2023.1 work with planning staff to provide the following prior to the local trust committee

[3:23:45] Voice 12: considering first reading of draft bylaws a information on how land and water access to

[3:23:51] Voice 12: the dock will be legally secured in perpetuity for emergency services b confirmation from the

[3:23:57] Voice 12: provincial approving authority of the correct crown lease tenure for an emergency dock and

[3:24:03] Voice 12: c confirmation that the dock is sufficient for all emergency service providers who are proposed

[3:24:09] Voice 12: to use the dock and that is moved i'll second that

[3:24:18] Voice 13: and

[3:24:19] Voice 12: second it seconded by tim peterson i'm

[3:24:27] Voice 12: yeah to your question and then i have one about uh other authorizations for ease of crown land

[3:24:34] Voice 12: Okay. My thought was, what about asking the APC to define social benefit? That's obviously something that we need going forward with this. And I guess in general, it's going to be with the OCP, it's important to have that defined.

[3:24:52] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:24:53] Voice 10: So we have a, we do have a request for the ABC to define community benefit in relation to temporary use permits that's been referred to the ABC.

[3:25:06] Voice 10: We haven't got a response from them yet on that, but perhaps we could adjust, no, they've only met once,

[3:25:17] Voice 10: but perhaps we could adjust that referral to include a more general because that that referral

[3:25:23] Voice 10: to the abc is specific around temporary use permits well

[3:25:28] Voice 12: i would i would more broadly refer

[3:25:30] Voice 12: the matter of private docs to the abc and um the community benefits or community social goods

[3:25:42] Voice 12: called different things um so that can be a second resolution and i do think getting them

[3:25:52] Voice 12: talking about that and thinking about that would give us some really good

[3:25:55] Voice 12: information yeah i just wanted to add and this is something from back that the chair which i

[3:26:02] Voice 11: guess was interesting said in the october 2020 is that correspondence needs to be weighed within the

[3:26:10] Voice 11: lack of correspondence like we receive i mean i'm quite sure suspected as i may have asked people to

[3:26:17] Voice 11: get no support but it would have been very i believe unpolitic for tim and i to say hey

[3:26:22] Voice 11: you're against this let us know because you know it's not really we're supposed to be pretty neutral

[3:26:28] Voice 11: so as so i mean we still received i think 26 people um against supporting the application

[3:26:36] Voice 11: application and that was without really any kind of public request for it so i think that's

[3:26:42] Voice 11: important to weigh as well that just because we perceive more people supporting doesn't mean that

[3:26:46] Voice 11: yeah you

[3:26:47] Voice 11: know if we actually put a line out and fished around we wouldn't have a more equal or

[3:26:51] Voice 11: one

[3:26:52] Voice 12: of the other but i

[3:26:52] Voice 12: was right i think what what we're saying though is to structure the process

[3:26:56] Voice 12: so that everybody has a chance to weigh

[3:26:59] Voice 12: in in an equitable way so it's not just a trigger like oh

[3:27:03] Voice 12: my gosh there's an application we didn't know about everybody like for against which throws

[3:27:07] Voice 12: the community into division honestly and that's like honestly that is what i would love to see we

[3:27:15] Voice 12: avoid is a structured process where people understand their voices will be heard here is

[3:27:21] Voice 12: that time for that and so not counting letters for and against i don't think that that's a good idea

[3:27:27] Voice 12: people can come to a public meeting and reiterate, but I do take your point that absolutely not

[3:27:36] Voice 12: everyone's had the chance to think about this, but I think, so a referral to the APC about

[3:27:42] Voice 12: private docs, they may recommend having the Repairs Association do some research, you

[3:27:49] Voice 12: know, they could recommend a whole range of things, and then we could ask them to do some

[3:27:53] Voice 12: work so that's a separate issue but i wanted to ask about the number so we the provincial

[3:28:00] Voice 12: approving authority is there a question that the correct crown lease tenure or that this

[3:28:09] Voice 12: why is that why is that in here so

[3:28:12] Voice 13: um

[3:28:13] Voice 12: there's a couple things i think that are completely clear

[3:28:18] Voice 12: with the emergency use of the dock which is who is who is going to be those emergency services

[3:28:24] Voice 12: is using it and how and and so i don't i think that's that's where this comes from as well as

[3:28:30] Voice 12: because there's this general permission which is restrictive um is that is that something that's

[3:28:37] Voice 12: actually going to be a permitted use of the doctrine but i confirm that because there's

[3:28:43] Voice 12: it's not permitted by the province then i don't know that there would be much use in

[3:28:50] Voice 14: a

[3:28:50] Voice 12: lot you don't want to get for such purpose for approving it on that basis so doing the

[3:28:58] Voice 12: statutory right-of-way which is like the driveway to the foreshore is access to the foreshore

[3:29:07] Voice 12: what you're trying to say we need to clarify is the crown lease tenure will let emergency

[3:29:13] Voice 12: people use the actual dock i don't have a lease so the general permission is just a general

[3:29:20] Voice 8: permission so you but you do only improve just like a boat or anything like that it's your

[3:29:26] Voice 8: property and it's being accepted if you meet every requirement in the checklist which we do

[3:29:32] Voice 8: so that would become our property and therefore any emergency as we know police firefighters

[3:29:40] Voice 8: firefighters they always have the right for lack of a better word gone dear yeah private property

[3:29:45] Voice 8: so they do have that right through that but that's about all they get does that make sense

[3:29:51] Voice 8: yes

[3:29:52] Voice 12: i mean it is my property

[3:29:55] Voice 8: and if i'm not in contravention of anything

[3:29:58] Voice 8: then you don't have the right to

[3:30:00] Voice 8: stop those emergency people so the law protects you as the emergency people on that nature

[3:30:06] Voice 8: um our

[3:30:08] Voice 12: first responders like sorry no no

[3:30:10] Voice 8: yeah the province firefighters

[3:30:12] Voice 8: but

[3:30:13] Voice 12: so but this is an important distinction if first responders are not like firefighters like

[3:30:19] Voice 12: there's some so i i'm trying to understand because some communities don't call themselves

[3:30:26] Voice 12: fire departments for a reason they are volunteers who work you know who volunteer their services but

[3:30:32] Voice 12: they're not an official emergency division because they don't fall under the fire improvement

[3:30:36] Voice 12: district or whatever the approving authority is so i don't that

[3:30:40] Voice 8: could be that'll be huh

[3:30:42] Voice 12: we

[3:30:42] Voice 8: have any of that on the skidding because you're part of that i think

[3:30:45] Voice 8: we have

[3:30:47] Voice 12: a volunteer fire department it's insured and designated we actually are getting our areas

[3:30:50] Voice 12: is now so we get t4s when

[3:30:53] Voice 5: you fall under the fire as

[3:30:54] Voice 12: long

[3:30:57] Voice 8: as you have legal right to the foreshore

[3:31:00] Voice 8: i would know me or any orders

[3:31:03] Voice 10: in the future i don't think would have much luck well that's part

[3:31:07] Voice 10: of the motion that was going to confirm that yeah

[3:31:09] Voice 12: and so then i just want to make sure that the

[3:31:12] Voice 12: further part of the process would be um that there's no other authorizations for use of the

[3:31:19] Voice 12: crown land which would prevent an overlapping permission on the land and i'm not sure what

[3:31:26] Voice 12: that if that qualifies here but when we're talking about engaging with first nations

[3:31:32] Voice 12: what i am hearing is that the you know all of waterfront and shoreline um is potentially

[3:31:42] Voice 12: you know um important cultural areas and access to that is is that right so are we

[3:31:50] Voice 12: you know by approving this would we trespass all those rights so this would have to go

[3:31:54] Voice 12: in a referral to all nations if we did amend the bylaw we're

[3:31:58] Voice 8: only going to my natural boundary

[3:32:00] Voice 8: this evening yeah so

[3:32:02] Voice 8: that's okay i because i still feel like we've got to go to the natural

[3:32:09] Voice 8: boundary to the seat the nature of the general permission when we get beyond that where the dock

[3:32:16] Voice 8: is

[3:32:16] Voice 6: because

[3:32:18] Voice 8: even if the dock was to disappear it's still handy to have a statutory right away through

[3:32:24] Voice 8: someone's private property one of the only deep water words is i'm

[3:32:28] Voice 12: not already doing that and it

[3:32:30] Voice 8: goes right to the beach so you still have some

[3:32:31] Voice 12: tim and then i think stephen yeah

[3:32:33] Voice 10: so so question

[3:32:34] Voice 10: about referrals um uh if we were to get first reading that would that does that not trigger

[3:32:42] Voice 10: trigger referrals you

[3:32:46] Voice 12: yeah at that point you could you could refer the bylaw to okay thank you and

[3:32:51] Voice 12: remind me there is a motion that second yes yeah we're still discussing it thank you um

[3:33:07] Voice 12: yeah I I don't want to see this pushed ahead but I I do think this is an important conversation

[3:33:17] Voice 12: for the community. So I guess we'll just have a vote. Is everyone ready? Do you have any

[3:33:25] Voice 12: more questions? Can I read your motion again? So that the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee

[3:33:31] Voice 12: requests that the applicant for L.A. RZ 2023.1 work with planning staff to provide the following

[3:33:39] Voice 12: prior to the Local Trust Committee considering first reading of draft by-laws. And then that's

[3:33:45] Voice 12: it's abc and abc every name one but

[3:33:50] Voice 14: yeah

[3:33:52] Voice 12: i do i do also really believe abc taking a look at it

[3:33:59] Voice 12: we can do that

[3:34:00] Voice 13: with a separate motion

[3:34:01] Voice 13: the

[3:34:02] Voice 12: last part about the whole community information meeting matter of private dogs

[3:34:29] Voice 12: And then this community information meeting would happen after the access, we're talking

[3:34:34] Voice 12: about continuity.

[3:34:35] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:34:37] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:34:38] Voice 12: So resolution on the floor, all those in favor?

[3:34:43] Voice 12: Aye.

[3:34:44] Voice 12: That is carried.

[3:34:44] Voice 12: carries oh champagne corks

[3:34:48] Voice 12: yeah we got we got a thing done we got all right and then you want to

[3:34:56] Voice 12: move this one uh all right i move that the matter of private docs and their use and definitions of

[3:35:05] Voice 12: social good be referred to the apc i'll second that seconded by justy peterson is it any

[3:35:11] Voice 12: need wordsmithing or um i want to consider private docs and their use can

[3:35:17] Voice 10: we i was going to say can

[3:35:19] Voice 10: we consider it um attaching the delegation from carl darwin slash great paris association to that

[3:35:28] Voice 10: referral

[3:35:29] Voice 12: yes i guess can

[3:35:34] Voice 8: i have a consideration there i don't know this is part of the public but

[3:35:37] Voice 8: But when you make definitions when you're doing this kind of thing,

[3:35:42] Voice 8: be careful not to get rid of the creativity for future ideas

[3:35:45] Voice 8: and how you look at it.

[3:35:47] Voice 8: You say this is what defines social benefit.

[3:35:52] Voice 8: Well, in my experience as a developer,

[3:35:54] Voice 8: just like we talked about earlier with buildings and cities,

[3:35:58] Voice 8: you need to have a real creative thought.

[3:36:00] Voice 8: Think outside of the box as a group and come up with ways to do.

[3:36:04] Voice 8: so we don't want to be too careful to define these ones and that's all they are yeah

[3:36:08] Voice 12: but i think

[3:36:10] Voice 12: coming up with a list of

[3:36:11] Voice 12: what is a social good

[3:36:13] Voice 10: you can agree with some of them are that doesn't mean

[3:36:16] Voice 10: that can't be amended in the future just keep that the

[3:36:20] Voice 12: warning is actually social effect in this um

[3:36:22] Voice 12: oh good good point okay it's not so good both environmental and social effects of the proposed

[3:36:28] Voice 12: well i think sorry we're looking

[3:36:33] Voice 12: at the worry in the ocp yeah uh guidance is what could be

[3:36:38] Voice 12: considered oh yeah environmental and social effects must be addressed

[3:36:51] Voice 12: yeah and

[3:36:53] Voice 10: that is potentially different than community benefit it

[3:36:55] Voice 12: is yeah what's our social

[3:37:03] Voice 12: well what i was trying to get to with is this idea of a community amenity because of an amenity

[3:37:10] Voice 12: is something that the community gains in exchange for you know some of these so i would i would use

[3:37:19] Voice 12: the word community amenity but i don't know if that's in your what

[3:37:22] Voice 8: about a donation towards one

[3:37:23] Voice 8: like a community doc and if you docs go in and next thing you know there's an account there to

[3:37:27] Voice 8: health plan where the hell you ever get the money if you ever have the spot well

[3:37:31] Voice 12: you should be on

[3:37:31] Voice 12: the apc and give us all those ideas i would

[3:37:35] Voice 10: also just if i may chair i would also point out that

[3:37:37] Voice 10: the apc meetings are open to the public yeah and suggestions could certainly be made to the apc

[3:37:44] Voice 10: oh do

[3:37:50] Voice 12: you

[3:37:54] Voice 4: want to know the definition or what it can include social effects pollution crime

[3:37:57] Voice 4: crime, inequality and economic decline. So it's basically a social

[3:38:02] Voice 5: impact that happens

[3:38:06] Voice 5: as a result of inaction or inaction inactivity, project, program or policy.

[3:38:11] Voice 12: Okay, how about this then? Does

[3:38:13] Voice 12: the ABC consider definitions of social effect that could be

[3:38:21] Voice 12: be secured for the benefit of the community benefit of those key communities because it's

[3:38:36] Voice 13: like

[3:38:36] Voice 12: defining social effects or okay now we're now i've lost

[3:38:48] Voice 12: yeah

[3:38:49] Voice 3: well you're right all you're right

[3:38:51] Voice 12: mitigating harm and having benefit well that's why i'm saying

[3:38:54] Voice 10: community either social effect and community benefit are not necessarily the same thing at

[3:38:58] Voice 10: oh she just the definition she says

[3:39:00] Voice 8: mitigating harm not asking for not asking for benefit yeah

[3:39:04] Voice 13: which

[3:39:05] Voice 8: i am not trying to get away from i'm just yeah no they are two different things they're

[3:39:10] Voice 3: very different yeah they're different but you know you think about what you've just done in

[3:39:16] Voice 3: this last bit with the gas shortage allowing people to be able to use your access to transport

[3:39:20] Voice 3: that kind of stuff that alleviates stress which could be a social benefit right so well i've tried

[3:39:31] Voice 10: are you madly bending away at resolution chair please do are

[3:39:35] Voice 10: you well

[3:39:36] Voice 12: i'm look you are going

[3:39:39] Voice 12: to move the the matter of private docs and their use and consideration of defining social effects

[3:39:50] Voice 12: that benefit the community as per policy 15 in the ocp be referred to the abc because it's like

[3:39:59] Voice 12: they have to have some kind of like what are we looking at yeah

[3:40:03] Voice 5: yeah it also has positive

[3:40:05] Voice 5: social effects which one of them is health care

[3:40:08] Voice 12: uh so where are we at with the motion

[3:40:14] Voice 12: i just want to make sure i'm not very intuitive right i'm not trying to hurry it

[3:40:19] Voice 12: hey who's jerry here that's what's taking the weather so yeah um 3.7 community servicing and

[3:40:26] Voice 12: utilities policy 15 private dogs may be considered on a site specifically considering application

[3:40:31] Voice 12: environmental and social effects must be addressed. So, how I could just use that language,

[3:40:36] Voice 12: what's in their use, and consideration of how the environmental and social effects should be defined

[3:41:03] Voice 12: as per 3.7 policy 15. Does that give enough definition? I don't like that better. As per

[3:41:22] Voice 12: policy three points as per 3.7 policy be referred to the APC. So you can read that and see how it

[3:41:42] Voice 12: actually consider how the environmental and social effects should be fine yeah go ahead

[3:41:59] Voice 12: you know i think it's fine just kind of that the matter of private docs in their use and consider

[3:42:04] Voice 12: consider how to say something, you know, okay, okay, let's move it, okay, good, good, really,

[3:42:23] Voice 12: um, to physically being not environmental, should be, what is 3.7 referring to, that is

[3:42:50] Voice 12: referring to, um, three months, seven years, services, services,

[3:43:07] Voice 12: must be addressed oh it should be addressed that's it specifically defined how it should

[3:43:14] Voice 12: be addressed that's the word we're looking for thank you i'll see 3.7 and 16 so this is this

[3:43:28] Voice 12: is what i would read that the matter of private dogs and their use be referred to the abc

[3:43:34] Voice 12: c specifically to towards defining how environmental and social effects should be addressed

[3:43:41] Voice 12: as per policy three points uh 3.7 policies 15 and 16. 1.7 community servicing utilities

[3:44:00] Voice 12: this is on page um 25 of the report like stephen when i'm referring to 3.7 what is that is that a

[3:44:08] Voice 12: that's an OCP policy? Yeah, it's an

[3:44:12] Voice 12: OCP in section. Section, section, okay, that's good.

[3:44:16] Voice 12: Section. I don't think it's a part of section 3.7.

[3:44:25] Voice 12: In regards to, to define, we're asking them to define how environmental and social

[3:44:33] Voice 12: effects should be addressed, as per section 3.7, community service and utilities policies 15,

[3:44:40] Voice 12: that's supposed to be because that was the two parts for the house

[3:44:43] Voice 14: okay

[3:44:53] Voice 12: we can't actually sorry we can't really hear from the public right now

[3:44:57] Voice 12: you're not hearing me okay no we'll give you one more time home before we end just yeah i just

[3:45:03] Voice 12: want to see it as you're adapting the sympathy and see yeah

[3:45:07] Voice 14: uh

[3:45:08] Voice 12: can you put in there somewhere

[3:45:09] Voice 12: where the auction possibly permitted on land which is accessible by a public road.

[3:45:19] Voice 12: That was our

[3:45:20] Voice 12: original, that was our original...

[3:45:23] Voice 12: Rick's the original guy that did this for the Rainmakers, by the way.

[3:45:26] Voice 8: They got this going.

[3:45:28] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:45:29] Voice 12: And, you know, if we don't address that particular issue, then we're wasting our time.

[3:45:37] Voice 12: Because private docks are allowed with bar access only.

[3:45:41] Voice 12: that's one of the major roadblocks like nobody actually applies but we're proud of that is

[3:45:48] Voice 12: because this is the road that probably is accessible by highway road right

[3:45:54] Voice 12: is that too far beyond what we need that our abc to consider or is that a

[3:46:10] Voice 12: So I think a lot of this really seems to be pertaining to some other project, potentially.

[3:46:19] Voice 12: So maybe

[3:46:20] Voice 13: that might be a later on, but I think you're right, because

[3:46:32] Voice 12: we're just giving direction

[3:46:34] Voice 12: on the application.

[3:46:36] Voice 12: Thanks for that.

[3:46:37] Voice 12: so yeah

[3:46:38] Voice 10: we're not referring the

[3:46:39] Voice 10: absence into the apc which i mean they're they keep landing

[3:46:43] Voice 10: and kind of good so it's okay

[3:46:46] Voice 13: i'm sure

[3:46:47] Voice 12: at one point we're all just gonna explode

[3:47:02] Voice 12: okay let's thank you for for reminding us i think we have done our business with the application

[3:47:09] Voice 12: thank you for coming today okay for all your work thank you as

[3:47:12] Voice 12: far as we can take this today

[3:47:14] Voice 12: we'll look to you working with us even on um further clarifying how that

[3:47:21] Voice 12: that land benefit will be thanks

[3:47:24] Voice 5: for staying till the end yeah

[3:47:26] Voice 12: yeah what are you guys doing

[3:47:36] Voice 12: otherwise we might be using your dog and saying please can you bring us back

[3:47:42] Voice 12: is this an emergency

[3:47:43] Voice 12: see the choking did not say that you do not want a dropped bottle prepared do we

[3:47:54] Voice 13: not just want

[3:47:54] Voice 12: thank you no no i think you need to do some work to make sure okay yeah

[3:48:03] Voice 12: well that's going to delay i don't know

[3:48:23] Voice 12: Okay, let's move on from the rezoning, we are on page 58.

[3:48:35] Voice 13: We are crossing.

[3:48:48] Voice 12: Okay, so we'll move on to our LTC work program, our MIND project, and the Mesquite OCP project

[3:48:58] Voice 12: and proposed changes to by-law, and we have a staff report, pages 58 onwards.

[3:49:04] Voice 12: words. Thank you so much for this work, Stephen. I know it's been long awaited. So if you want

[3:49:14] Voice 12: to take us through the draft bylaw amendments, then you're going to recommend that we endorse

[3:49:19] Voice 12: those changes to the bylaw. After the examination, then you can additional recommend it. That's

[3:49:27] Voice 12: okay. Great. Go ahead.

[3:49:30] Voice 12: Okay. So those are the words to present. I don't think I'll go through all of the proposed

[3:49:36] Voice 12: proposed amendments. They're all there on the attachment. But the reports present these

[3:49:42] Voice 12: amendments to the LTC that you had requested at your meeting in December in order to, so

[3:49:49] Voice 12: the bylaw meets the Islands Trust policy statement, directive policies and to satisfy the Local

[3:49:55] Voice 12: Government Act requirements for the community plans. The other amendment that has been included

[3:50:01] Voice 12: is to increase the minimum loss size for subdivision district A from 4 hectares to 4.046

[3:50:08] Voice 12: hectares or 10 hectares as directed by the by the LTC earlier and it's in your project charter

[3:50:15] Voice 12: staff note that the policy for subdivision district B is currently 8 hectares or 19.77

[3:50:23] Voice 12: acres and I just wanted to point that out that you're not required directed staff to make any

[3:50:29] Voice 12: amendment so that it was exactly 20 acres um and that may have been intentional but i don't

[3:50:35] Voice 12: just point that out um the one amendment that is not shown in the track changes is to schedule

[3:50:43] Voice 12: the map which the amendments there are to to um show where the school is located

[3:50:52] Voice 12: and update the parks and protected areas land use designation so that's that's going to be the

[3:51:02] Voice 12: look here for tonight so i'm just looking at the subdivision lot size paragraph we've got here

[3:51:10] Voice 12: you're seeking clarity whether or not the LTC wishes to desire to increase the minimum lot

[3:51:16] Voice 12: lot size in subdivision district B to 8.092 hectares which is exactly 20 acres right okay

[3:51:27] Voice 12: so to be consistent we want to give make sure that that's okay and so Tim you had brought

[3:51:40] Voice 12: forward a couple of earlier versions yeah

[3:51:46] Voice 10: um thank you chair so uh on that on this issue of

[3:51:50] Voice 10: amending those um those other subdivision uh districts yes i think let's let's make those

[3:51:57] Voice 10: numbers the metric numbers consistent with the previous numbers and acres

[3:52:02] Voice 10: i think that's what we want to do um and then yeah i did forward a bunch of notes i think

[3:52:12] Voice 10: uh and i'm not sure i i'm supposing that the reason that the version 2.3

[3:52:20] Voice 10: was the base for this work was because that had gone readings in the past, but there's

[3:52:28] Voice 10: a number of references in my notes to the version 2.41, and the reason that's important

[3:52:34] Voice 10: is that we spend a considerable amount of time, especially on the sheep question and

[3:52:43] Voice 10: how we um how we talk about the sheep and so um there's a couple other things but i guess

[3:52:53] Voice 10: i'll just go through them briefly here so on page 73 of the agenda the 2.9 compliance section

[3:53:02] Voice 10: i noted and i went that's all duplicated in the bible so i know at the land use bylaw so no no

[3:53:09] Voice 10: no issues with that. The staff recommendation there is perfectly reasonable.

[3:53:17] Voice 14: The

[3:53:18] Voice 10: definition of health, I don't know how important it is to hash out that, but I do

[3:53:25] Voice 10: know that it's different in the LCA's OCP report than here. The spelling of Kwe Te,

[3:53:34] Voice 10: take the spelling that's in the this version it starts with a k and it is different than the

[3:53:41] Voice 10: version that starts with an x that has been more commonly used recently so i feel like that i did

[3:53:48] Voice 10: reach out to the um the person who's been running the lisseteen archaeology project i haven't heard

[3:53:55] Voice 10: back but i'd like if we're going to put this forward i want us to get that spelling the way

[3:54:01] Voice 10: it's being commonly used amongst First Nations. I think that's appropriate.

[3:54:06] Voice 10: And then on page 83, section 4.2.1e, I would want to strike local feral heritage and replace

[3:54:21] Voice 10: with unowned and formerly domestic. That is consistent with advice that the previous LTC

[3:54:26] Voice 10: got from the province. Did you send

[3:54:31] Voice 12: all these changes in an email?

[3:54:33] Voice 12: I

[3:54:33] Voice 10: sent them out as an attachment to all three of you.

[3:54:36] Voice 12: It's an attachment, okay.

[3:54:38] Voice 12: Yeah,

[3:54:38] Voice 10: it's an attachment on an email that I apologize for sending it as late as I did,

[3:54:43] Voice 10: but I only got it to the work when I did.

[3:54:45] Voice 12: Gotcha.

[3:54:46] Voice 10: And then 4.2.3b, strike exotic and feral and replace feral with unowned, formerly domestic.

[3:55:03] Voice 10: On page 87, 4.2.1.0.E, add including public accesses to the foreshore and there's a bunch more so I don't want to load too much up at once.

[3:55:22] Voice 10: So I just wanted to pause and see if there's any staff concerns with any of the ones I've just raised.

[3:55:27] Voice 10: So I missed just

[3:55:30] Voice 12: the most recent one that you meant that maybe I have on my list right

[3:55:35] Voice 12: now.

[3:55:35] Voice 12: So there's a district B. Yeah, to 20 acres of June, the spelling of poetry and replacing

[3:55:45] Voice 12: feral sheep without a formally domestic.

[3:55:48] Voice 12: Right.

[3:55:49] Voice 10: So there's anything.

[3:55:50] Voice 10: So there's two instances of that.

[3:55:52] Voice 10: um one is 4.2.1 e and one is 4.2.3 b right and

[3:56:00] Voice 10: in b um exotic and feral were both to be stricken

[3:56:07] Voice 10: and feral is to be replaced with i don't informally or uninformally domestic so yeah

[3:56:14] Voice 10: just try not to run too past it ahead either um then on page 19 of the staff report

[3:56:49] Voice 13: And

[3:56:52] Voice 10: then on page 88 of the agenda in 4.3.2b, there's a question, and that is, would this

[3:57:06] Voice 10: required coordination with or with or permission from moti and then uh maybe that's i don't know

[3:57:15] Voice 10: if you can answer that today and if not that's okay we can just make a note to go back to that

[3:57:18] Voice 10: later so

[3:57:26] Voice 12: subdivision is services are approved by more people that are referred to um silence

[3:57:32] Voice 12: trust in your land use by law will have regulations regarding um subdivision so this this policy is

[3:57:40] Voice 12: likely uh informing both regulations in your land is quite a long but certainly moe has a

[3:57:47] Voice 12: is the approving authority for for subdivisions so okay

[3:57:51] Voice 10: so then the further question would be um

[3:57:57] Voice 10: do should we add appropriate language about coordinating with moti on that or is that

[3:58:03] Voice 10: something we can do on our own i don't think it's necessary okay thank you and i'll just try

[3:58:11] Voice 10: and keep moving along here because i know the time is ticking away on page 91 there's a number

[3:58:23] Voice 10: 4.4.3 under general advocate advocacy policies um in the version 2.4.1 uh the sentence reads

[3:58:38] Voice 10: residents are encouraged to store vehicles on their property and remove their derelict vehicles

[3:58:44] Voice 10: this version admits promptly i'd like to see promptly back in there sorry

[3:58:51] Voice 12: i don't know if

[3:58:51] Voice 12: it's the policy they don't see that with oh general advocacy

[3:58:54] Voice 10: general at 4.3.4.4.3 okay

[3:59:02] Voice 10: okay so

[3:59:03] Voice 13: promptly

[3:59:05] Voice 10: in version 2.4.1

[3:59:13] Voice 10: b there is it states in order to stem the growing population of vehicles on island

[3:59:19] Voice 10: residents are encouraged to arrange for the removal of a vehicle before barging

[3:59:22] Voice 10: a new or used vehicle on to the island that doesn't appear in this version but that is

[3:59:29] Voice 10: something that was recommended by the lcao cp steering committee

[3:59:34] Voice 14: i'm

[3:59:36] Voice 10: wondering

[3:59:37] Voice 12: um so

[3:59:40] Voice 12: Maybe I can clarify some of this too. It is based on the Bible that's been given readings,

[3:59:49] Voice 12: which has sometimes been referred to as version 2.3.

[3:59:53] Voice 12: There's other versions, there's potentially arguments that were not asked.

[4:00:00] Voice 12: They're out there. Did you want, did you want to bring back? Is that, are these all from, I guess I'm wondering if it's simpler to bring back one of those?

[4:00:10] Voice 12: Well,

[4:00:11] Voice 10: so just for clarity, I hear what you're saying, but I think the difference is my comparing the version here in the staff report and version 2.4.1 is that you've done a lot of work on sentence structure on consolidation and stuff in this version in the staff report that wasn't done in version 2.4.1.

[4:00:37] Voice 10: so I went to 2.4.1 and what I'm really trying to do is get back the bits that I think are

[4:00:45] Voice 10: important from 2.4.1 into this version and to try to to consolidate in that sense and I

[4:00:52] Voice 10: I guess it's up to you how you want to do the work but it seemed to be easier just to

[4:00:58] Voice 10: put the things that are missing from 2.4.1 into this one rather than I see give give because if

[4:01:05] Voice 10: you go back to 2.4.1 all the work you've done on 2.3 to adjust those things will also have to be

[4:01:12] Voice 10: done yeah so i was thinking this is the easier approach yeah um

[4:01:18] Voice 12: but does it pass muster if it

[4:01:22] Voice 12: had if those sort of principles haven't had for had a rating like well

[4:01:28] Voice 10: the thing is is that we're

[4:01:30] Voice 10: we're talking about doing is amending it right and so these are proposed additional amendments

[4:01:36] Voice 10: and

[4:01:36] Voice 12: then

[4:01:37] Voice 10: we will get we will get to our reading right there

[4:01:40] Voice 10: my the interest i have in doing this

[4:01:42] Voice 10: now is so that we don't give a reading and then come back and then do all these and then rescind

[4:01:50] Voice 10: and then reread again so it seemed to me this was appropriate time to do it but correct me if i'm

[4:01:55] Voice 10: wrong um

[4:01:57] Voice 10: no

[4:01:58] Voice 12: i think that will take your direction though the recommend recommendation is in the staff

[4:02:04] Voice 12: report is to endorse not to give readings today no is to endorse the version so uh perhaps we can

[4:02:12] Voice 12: endorse the version as amended that's what i think yeah yeah so i think i'm following you and you

[4:02:18] Voice 12: have sent

[4:02:19] Voice 10: an email yeah there's an email with these it also just for just for reference it

[4:02:24] Voice 10: also contains a copy of version 2.4.1 and the lca steering committee report um but that's not

[4:02:33] Voice 10: germane to what i'm talking about right now i'm talking about specific amendments to what's in

[4:02:38] Voice 10: front of us and i was just referencing that a lot of them came from 2.4.1 um so where were you at

[4:02:47] Voice 10: We're at, I didn't, promptly, and then, yeah, so it would be this little, this will mess up your numbering system, but in version 2.4.1, it would be B, and this did come from the community process, and it states,

[4:03:10] Voice 10: in order to stem the growing population of vehicles on island,

[4:03:14] Voice 10: residents are encouraged to arrange for the removal of a vehicle

[4:03:17] Voice 10: before barging a new or used vehicle onto the island.

[4:03:24] Voice 10: And then C and D are combined in this version.

[4:03:35] Voice 10: That's in front of us.

[4:03:36] Voice 10: That's fine.

[4:03:37] Voice 10: That one's fine.

[4:03:45] Voice 10: Okay.

[4:03:45] Voice 10: Okay, on page 94, 4.4.8AIII, which talks about a local ferry committee at present and for a number of years now.

[4:04:07] Voice 10: that has been the Liskety Community Association Ferry Committee and it seems to me we should

[4:04:14] Voice 10: just use that designation and if, of course, if that changes somewhere down the road then

[4:04:23] Voice 10: that can be.

[4:04:26] Voice 12: Do you want more comment?

[4:04:29] Voice 12: It would be that if you use a more general term that isn't necessarily a specific name

[4:04:35] Voice 12: with something that would and uh then the

[4:04:40] Voice 10: name of that group changes you don't need to amend your ocp

[4:04:44] Voice 10: okay next one i have thought of that a lot of these were similar to the provincial management

[4:04:49] Voice 10: a lot of things were named and then they the name they get pretty mainstream i know i know

[4:04:54] Voice 10: you've seen when we looked at our cafe regional district protocol scheme most of it was from an

[4:05:02] Voice 10: act that doesn't even exist anymore um so

[4:05:04] Voice 10: i'm some of these are questions and so i appreciate

[4:05:08] Voice 10: the back and forth here because if it's not necessary let's not waste time on it but some

[4:05:14] Voice 10: of them might be correct yeah

[4:05:15] Voice 14: uh

[4:05:16] Voice 10: on page 95 4.4.11b and that's about telephone wires and

[4:05:30] Voice 10: And while we may never see another telephone wire laid on the skeeting,

[4:05:34] Voice 10: we may, there's potential that we might get a fiber optic cable.

[4:05:38] Voice 12: And I wonder

[4:05:40] Voice 10: if we could insert or add

[4:05:42] Voice 10: a fiber optic cable.

[4:05:43] Voice 12: We're just saying communication.

[4:05:46] Voice 10: Or make it work out.

[4:05:47] Voice 12: Communication cables, replace telephone.

[4:05:50] Voice 12: Just

[4:05:50] Voice 10: because telephone wires are specific and getting archaic.

[4:05:53] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:05:55] Voice 12: yeah

[4:05:56] Voice 10: uh to do okay we already covered 5.1.2a which is just an update to the metric equipment

[4:06:04] Voice 10: so it's stated acreage and then there's a consideration on page 101 5.1.5t

[4:06:18] Voice 10: which means commercial enterprises should only be permitted a maximum of one residence

[4:06:22] Voice 10: as an accessory used on the same parcel.

[4:06:26] Voice 10: And so the consideration that I think we need clarity on

[4:06:33] Voice 10: is what about very large parcels?

[4:06:39] Voice 10: And how large does the parcel need to be

[4:06:45] Voice 10: before we consider that one residence is restrictive

[4:06:51] Voice 10: rather than otherwise. So that's not something I think we can answer today. I'm just, that's

[4:06:56] Voice 10: just really amazing as a question.

[4:07:00] Voice 12: I do have just one comment because I see how it looks here. It looks as if it's a new policy,

[4:07:06] Voice 12: but what it is, is it is from the introduction to the inception, there had been that, it

[4:07:18] Voice 12: was just kind of put in this big paragraph. And so I pulled it out because it was acting

[4:07:23] Voice 12: as a policy anyway it's just for clarity so just just so you're aware at least that it's uh it is

[4:07:28] Voice 12: in the existing it's not a brand new okay piece it's uh it's just put in it it's put

[4:07:35] Voice 10: out so it's

[4:07:36] Voice 10: more clear for reading okay and i appreciate that because it jumped out at me and that's the same

[4:07:41] Voice 10: with uh that was t and same with you and and uh b is a new one but the t and u okay well on the t

[4:07:48] Voice 10: specifically I just want to flag it as something that I think we may have further conversation or

[4:07:54] Voice 10: consideration on um uh and then on page 105 5.4.5 and that's just a reference to land and water bc

[4:08:07] Voice 10: and asking if it's current but I understand we just discussed that so that's that's all of that's

[4:08:13] Voice 10: everything on my list today okay with the rest

[4:08:16] Voice 12: of the land water vc i would just i could look

[4:08:19] Voice 10: into that i suspect it isn't current and we could use a more general term

[4:08:23] Voice 10: yeah it doesn't sound

[4:08:24] Voice 10: current to me somehow but i didn't actually look it up i was just heads down into trying to do this

[4:08:30] Voice 10: work so um so those are all of my thoughts i think really you know the the question of um

[4:08:41] Voice 10: the sheep how we talk about the sheep we spent an awful lot of last term on that so i really

[4:08:47] Voice 10: wouldn't want to be endorsing a version that didn't use the language that we finally landed

[4:08:53] Voice 10: upon um because it was such a topic of discussion and uh so that that was actually the one that

[4:09:00] Voice 10: sort of got me started on this and then i think the rest i think are very straightforward common

[4:09:05] Voice 10: common sense um and

[4:09:07] Voice 10: uh and i didn't hear i didn't really have been hearing a lot of concerns about

[4:09:14] Voice 10: any of the ones i brought up so yeah i think i do i need comments as we've been involved yeah okay

[4:09:23] Voice 10: great so i would um i would propose those as amendments and uh back to the chair cool

[4:09:31] Voice 12: Cool, thanks for your work on that.

[4:09:35] Voice 12: So I have two questions, more on the cultural heritage

[4:09:45] Voice 12: policies and on the, but we'll go to boats and maritime vessels.

[4:09:52] Voice 12: So 4.4.7, I think this is the section

[4:09:58] Voice 12: that we were discussing to do with the application, it's now E, so it talks about communal private

[4:10:13] Voice 12: docks and bow ramps. Is this the first time that word communal private docks is used?

[4:10:19] Voice 12: Like is the current OCP referred to communal private?

[4:10:25] Voice 12: Sorry, 4.4.7.

[4:10:29] Voice 2: Page 93. Page

[4:10:30] Voice 12: 93, sorry. Yeah. 4.4.7

[4:10:34] Voice 8: and then 8.7a,

[4:10:36] Voice 12: communal private

[4:10:37] Voice 12: docks and boat ramps are encouraged and may be considered on a site-specific basis. Does

[4:10:43] Voice 12: the current OCP have communal private docks?

[4:10:47] Voice 10: Well, if you look at his note, that's just,

[4:10:49] Voice 10: he's just drafted as an article so now it's article a it's okay

[4:10:55] Voice 12: instead of a header i see okay

[4:10:59] Voice 12: so could e so after we draft all these amendments before we give first reading can we refer

[4:11:09] Voice 12: we need f and g to the apc to define or address the environmental and social effects that

[4:11:23] Voice 12: or clarify what environmental social or how environmental social effects must be addressed

[4:11:29] Voice 12: like should that be in this policy so that what we're just discussing that the application to the

[4:11:37] Voice 12: doc that's where these three appear if i'm not mistaken we think you have that so he yeah and

[4:11:46] Voice 10: And

[4:11:46] Voice 12: they might show up elsewhere.

[4:11:48] Voice 12: That's the term I think

[4:11:50] Voice 12: shows up elsewhere.

[4:11:52] Voice 12: EF and G.

[4:11:53] Voice 10: EF is about the

[4:11:55] Voice 10: public book ramps.

[4:11:59] Voice 10: Which we

[4:12:00] Voice 10: do have one,

[4:12:02] Voice 12: thankfully,

[4:12:02] Voice 10: which is actually

[4:12:04] Voice 10: pretty great.

[4:12:08] Voice 12: So that was my first question, is whether

[4:12:10] Voice 12: we can sort of proactively

[4:12:13] Voice 12: we haven't done any

[4:12:17] Voice 12: project, we haven't

[4:12:18] Voice 12: spent any project money

[4:12:19] Voice 12: on this term.

[4:12:21] Voice 12: it's getting a bit late but if they can hold a meeting this month we can host it and have the

[4:12:27] Voice 12: minutes at least there'll be some some information that come forward so that's what i would see

[4:12:33] Voice 12: coming out of this is a referral of these three draft policies so that they can be further refined

[4:12:40] Voice 12: you could you could also refer to the term social effects because it does go out elsewhere in the

[4:12:45] Voice 12: right um with regards to a vehicle only account compound maybe considered on a specific basis

[4:12:57] Voice 12: um and that has come up again that's the social effects

[4:13:02] Voice 12: but i think

[4:13:03] Voice 12: they do have to be considered in the light of the policy right so it's a different

[4:13:09] Voice 12: social effect for a boat wrap as it is for a vehicle but everywhere that appears we could

[4:13:16] Voice 12: ask them to consider it and come up with you know what is that what is that social effect

[4:13:23] Voice 12: that

[4:13:23] Voice 8: we're looking at like a reasonable approach to me so

[4:13:26] Voice 12: that was my one thought and then the

[4:13:30] Voice 12: second was all right back to learning services so cultural resource policies this is page 87

[4:13:41] Voice 12: seven

[4:13:53] Voice 13: it's kind of

[4:13:54] Voice 13: so

[4:13:59] Voice 12: educating the community

[4:14:00] Voice 12: about Lusketi's archaeological heritage

[4:14:02] Voice 12: and making information available about

[4:14:03] Voice 12: heritage stewardship

[4:14:06] Voice 12: should that

[4:14:08] Voice 12: not be done in

[4:14:09] Voice 12: partnership with

[4:14:11] Voice 12: tourist nations

[4:14:13] Voice 12: or can we direct that in the OCP

[4:14:25] Voice 12: like

[4:14:26] Voice 12: as settlers for us

[4:14:31] Voice 12: to educate our own community about Mesquite's archaeological heritage, we need to have that

[4:14:38] Voice 12: information developed together with First Nations, right?

[4:14:42] Voice 12: Yeah, just mostly doesn't appear to say who should do that,

[4:14:45] Voice 12: who should do the education, but it

[4:14:49] Voice 12: just states that.

[4:14:51] Voice 12: Okay, okay.

[4:14:55] Voice 12: Okay, then I'm looking more back at 88 than the previous page,

[4:15:00] Voice 12: so cultural resources advocacy policies 4.2.13 um d community groups and other agencies are

[4:15:09] Voice 12: encouraged to develop educational material on first nations rights to and uses management of

[4:15:15] Voice 12: land sea and resources path and president i think we need to do a bit of thinking about this section

[4:15:23] Voice 12: because it i mean it could be as simple as that in partnership with and guided by first nations

[4:15:28] Voice 12: because of their cultural roots

[4:15:30] Voice 12: versus we can't be just

[4:15:32] Voice 12: developing materials

[4:15:35] Voice 12: about their rights

[4:15:36] Voice 12: without an input.

[4:15:41] Voice 13: You have

[4:15:44] Voice 13: conversations coming

[4:15:46] Voice 13: with the Stenox

[4:15:48] Voice 13: presentation that way.

[4:15:49] Voice 13: I

[4:15:50] Voice 12: wouldn't want

[4:15:55] Voice 12: this to be referred to Stenox

[4:15:57] Voice 12: for comment and then

[4:15:59] Voice 12: they go, wait a minute,

[4:16:01] Voice 12: Why are you saying that your community groups should come up with it?

[4:16:07] Voice 12: So I'm just figuring the best part here, that community groups and other agencies are encouraged to develop educational material and uses, but they shouldn't be done.

[4:16:18] Voice 12: In

[4:16:18] Voice 8: partnership. Yes, I'm totally

[4:16:20] Voice 8: So

[4:16:21] Voice 12: that whole section

[4:16:22] Voice 12: to add

[4:16:23] Voice 12: to add

[4:16:27] Voice 12: are encouraged

[4:16:28] Voice 12: to work in partnership

[4:16:30] Voice 12: with and be guided by

[4:16:32] Voice 12: First Nations to develop educational

[4:16:34] Voice 12: materials on First Nations rights

[4:16:36] Voice 12: to resources and management. So in partnership

[4:16:39] Voice 12: with and guided by

[4:16:43] Voice 12: any anywhere that

[4:16:44] Voice 12: it's

[4:16:45] Voice 12: it's um yeah and i i like the c i think that's fine it's just d that could be used that

[4:16:59] Voice 12: so yeah i'd like to see that that the issue of social effects social environmental effects

[4:17:12] Voice 12: um be referred to the APC uh for consideration specifically as it relates to you know the dock

[4:17:24] Voice 12: and boats and vessels

[4:17:29] Voice 12: and if it comes up somewhere else that could be helpful and

[4:17:47] Voice 12: And I just want to make sure we clear direction from you on this, because I think it's outside of what's currently contemplated in your in your project charter, and it works fine to do the additional and so on.

[4:18:18] Voice 12: but we haven't spent any money on the project this year so how could it be out of the scope oh

[4:18:26] Voice 12: it's out of scope okay it's not

[4:18:28] Voice 12: about money it's about scope okay where is the charter do we have

[4:18:34] Voice 12: a charter new charter here do you

[4:18:36] Voice 12: have a charter or something in the package no but

[4:18:41] Voice 10: maybe we can

[4:18:41] Voice 10: get some advice about amending the charter um yeah once we've finished we're looking at how

[4:18:47] Voice 10: we want to amend this document here so it makes sense because i have one more if i'm a chair yeah

[4:18:54] Voice 10: and this is on the cultural research policies under a uh 4.2.12 a because it occurs to me that

[4:19:04] Voice 10: it might be better if it reads the local trust committee will assist when possible

[4:19:08] Voice 10: different nations and the responsible ministry in their efforts establish and protect science

[4:19:13] Voice 10: mark about whether it makes sense

[4:19:16] Voice 10: 4

[4:19:20] Voice 12: .1 4

[4:19:22] Voice 10: .2 on

[4:19:23] Voice 12: page 87. thanks thanks under

[4:19:32] Voice 10: a local trust committee

[4:19:35] Voice 10: will assist when possible and i think we inserted first nations and the responsible ministry of

[4:19:41] Voice 10: their efforts yeah yeah that seems i think that would be it yeah

[4:19:45] Voice 12: in keeping with your other

[4:19:48] Voice 12: Yeah. Okay.

[4:19:58] Voice 12: Well then at what point is this whole thing going to get referred back up

[4:20:01] Voice 12: to the ATC again? I mean, I think they announced about the entire amended bylaw and maybe they'll

[4:20:09] Voice 12: eventually review the whole thing all over again.

[4:20:17] Voice 12: I think the project charter anticipates that you'll have to schedule just an offer at Dainton

[4:20:32] Voice 12: there's a note and there's one outstanding referrals that you can see that you have

[4:20:36] Voice 12: deferred until after those discussions yeah um and then you would um make any appropriate

[4:20:43] Voice 12: amendments instead uh needed referrals to um to agencies impersonations impacted by

[4:20:50] Voice 12: those amendments and then proceed to file our readings of the hearing so we have one abc

[4:20:56] Voice 12: referral still in scope it's

[4:20:58] Voice 10: already you've already referred it's already been referred

[4:21:01] Voice 10: it was referred last term and we just put it on hold in light of the discussions with the

[4:21:06] Voice 10: knowledge

[4:21:06] Voice 12: we recall it and then define that a bit better like or we just make it secondary

[4:21:18] Voice 12: The Quality Charter is currently saying that out of scope, there is an additional output

[4:21:24] in the PHDM, except for outstanding

[4:21:26] Voice 12: referrals, First Nation Discussions, statutory requirements

[4:21:31] Voice 12: and LCC meetings.

[4:21:33] Voice 14: So

[4:21:43] Voice 10: we would need to add, if we were going to make an additional APC referral, we need

[4:21:48] Voice 10: to add that to the in scope?

[4:21:51] Voice 12: Yeah, it would be better.

[4:21:52] Voice 12: I mean, I think you can refer it to the ADC, but then you should bring back the project charter again and look at the ways that you want to continue to engage with the project.

[4:22:02] Voice 10: Oh, gosh.

[4:22:03] Voice 10: But the thing is, I mean, it's important to remember that the project charter is an iterative thing that evolves as we do the work.

[4:22:11] Voice 10: And as we come up with new issues, sometimes it's emerging issues.

[4:22:14] Voice 10: Right now, it's the emerging issues of the dock.

[4:22:17] Voice 10: so just because we've got a project charter doesn't mean it's written in stone it may mean

[4:22:21] Voice 10: we have to rejig it may affect our timeline but it's it's it is it is an iterative document

[4:22:28] Voice 10: i mean well

[4:22:30] Voice 12: we have we

[4:22:32] Voice 10: have a bunch of stuff that's not in scope right now that we want to

[4:22:35] Voice 10: get to that as we discussed in december that we're going to get staff to start working on a business

[4:22:40] Voice 10: case so that next budgetary cycle that we have the appropriate ask in for the

[4:22:48] Voice 10: funding to complete hopefully complete the review project so

[4:22:53] Voice 12: so if we direct

[4:22:55] Voice 12: you to amend the in scope or to amend the project charter to include one more

[4:23:02] Voice 12: or a necessary referral to the APC does that just push the project timeline like

[4:23:09] Voice 12: what are the implications if if it's one referral to the apc that you know on a specific topic

[4:23:17] Voice 12: i don't know it may it may not have a great impact on the on the timeline okay uh if there's a if

[4:23:24] Voice 12: there's an um more engagement that you would like to do then definitely impact on the timeline

[4:23:34] Voice 12: And we should plan for it.

[4:23:38] Voice 13: Yeah, I understand.

[4:23:42] Voice 10: Well, and I'm sort of looking at it, that this work that we authorized in December,

[4:23:50] Voice 10: and we're going to amend it a little bit, but I think most of the stuff we've discussed

[4:23:56] Voice 10: about today are amendments that aren't going to affect the timeline or aren't going to

[4:24:00] Voice 10: be costly, my impression.

[4:24:01] Voice 10: but then once this once this piece is complete then we're we're going to go right back into

[4:24:07] Voice 10: working on what's coming next

[4:24:10] Voice 14: right

[4:24:11] Voice 10: all the bits that that are post discussion with us none else

[4:24:16] Voice 10: especially around the crown land policies um that apc referral that's on hold until we've

[4:24:26] Voice 10: had that discussion with us like that those are the next components so i mean this is

[4:24:33] Voice 10: this is finishing a piece of the ocp and then we're going to be getting on to the next piece of

[4:24:40] Voice 10: it

[4:24:40] Voice 14: did you hear

[4:24:41] Voice 12: that you have a an ocp viola that you endorsed it that you see moving forward yeah

[4:24:49] Voice 12: and then you just have to listen to us you go here a referral response from the apc and you may want

[4:24:57] Voice 12: make amendments um based on those referrals and then and then um ideally you would uh or possibly

[4:25:05] Voice 12: you would then advance the bylaw um if there's substantial amendments that that still want to

[4:25:13] Voice 12: see in the ocp then then um a different plan may be more important yeah

[4:25:25] Voice 10: i've been looking at the

[4:25:26] Voice 10: future projects list the bits that we move to future projects for the OCP

[4:25:35] Voice 10: there's a number of them that deal with the regional conservation plant plan

[4:25:38] Voice 10: that is for toolkit and the short-term vacation rental but the only one that

[4:25:49] Voice 10: that I thought that was important for this round of the OCP is the subadmissions

[4:25:57] Voice 10: and policies related to approval of water and we put that out of this scope on your recommendation

[4:26:05] Voice 10: but i actually i mean if we can get the other work done and scope that back in at some point

[4:26:14] Voice 10: then i think we're getting close to being able to at least wrap up this round of the review of the

[4:26:21] Voice 10: ocp but that's just my impression yeah

[4:26:24] Voice 12: i mean i mean as i said i i'm substantial amendments

[4:26:30] Voice 12: to what you have is it will require a different work plan um and i think what in december um we

[4:26:43] Voice 12: spoke with the potential that um that additional topics would like to push this into a major

[4:26:50] Voice 12: project mm-hmm and and so it would be a matter of getting that budget and those

[4:26:58] Voice 12: resources but

[4:27:01] Voice 14: I mean

[4:27:04] Voice 12: there's no budget for

[4:27:06] Voice 10: the OCP so but meanwhile while we

[4:27:11] Voice 10: while we you know we're doing this work today obviously you're we're giving you

[4:27:16] Voice 10: some work to add into it but as as as that as your work on this piece is becomes you know

[4:27:25] Voice 10: essentially done for the moment and then we'll have the discussions with us um

[4:27:31] Voice 10: potentially after those discussions we will uh re reignite the the referral to the abc

[4:27:40] Voice 14: and

[4:27:40] Voice 10: then see where we go, right?

[4:27:42] Voice 10: We have to keep moving.

[4:27:43] Voice 10: I think we should

[4:27:45] Voice 10: ask what direction staff wants from us right this

[4:27:48] Voice 10: minute and on this today.

[4:27:49] Voice 10: We need to wrap

[4:27:50] Voice 12: this up.

[4:27:51] Voice 12: I do think

[4:27:55] Voice 12: we need to add as an in-scope

[4:27:58] Voice 12: item

[4:27:58] Voice 12: at least one more referral to the APC

[4:28:01] Voice 12: to consider private dogs and their use

[4:28:03] Voice 12: specifically towards defining how environmental

[4:28:05] Voice 12: and social effects should be addressed

[4:28:06] Voice 12: because that's unclear.

[4:28:13] Voice 12: I don't want to add more work or extend the project timeline, but

[4:28:18] Voice 12: I don't know if this referral to the APC would, is that really going to delay us?

[4:28:26] Voice 13: Well,

[4:28:27] Voice 12: it may. The referral to the APC is something and you will hear some first calls.

[4:28:37] Voice 14: And

[4:28:37] Voice 12: you may want to do something with that type of information to amend the LCP.

[4:28:44] Voice 12: so that all adds steps and adds time and work um so it's like a new topic and new new things

[4:28:54] Voice 12: are considered um so

[4:28:56] Voice 13: okay

[4:29:00] Voice 10: by my chair my impression is that the reality is what we're

[4:29:07] Voice 10: adding to more than uh financial for this budget cycle is we're probably just adding more time to

[4:29:14] Voice 10: to the timeline yeah i

[4:29:16] Voice 10: don't think we're i don't think we're looking at any of these things are

[4:29:19] Voice 10: going to add significantly more money to the to the cost of the project but i see them adding more

[4:29:24] Voice 10: time okay so we

[4:29:28] Voice 12: need to have some movement on this new plan version 2020 with somebody like

[4:29:34] Voice 12: i

[4:29:35] Voice 10: have a motion prepared but i just want to double i'll make the motion then we'll double check the

[4:29:39] Voice 10: staff perfect uh

[4:29:40] Voice 10: i move that the ski island local trust committee endorsed the proposed change to

[4:29:44] Voice 10: let's see on the official community plan 2022 as amended 2020. sorry 2020 as amended

[4:29:52] Voice 10: and then that is the diagrams i brought up in that item the chair brought up

[4:30:00] Voice 10: do do you want us to go into detail on that in the motion i think i think that would be

[4:30:10] sufficient okay um and then and and

[4:30:14] Voice 12: again standing that that will um yeah because i will bring that

[4:30:19] Voice 12: back to you in a similar fashion perhaps uh i have today shown the amendments and then

[4:30:26] Voice 12: then you will need to still amend the bylaws so that so certainly that's okay so then we have

[4:30:32] Voice 12: a first reading and then it's referred to some office yeah uh so referral happens before first

[4:30:41] Voice 12: reading your approval has been been sent we've sent referrals a couple times um and and so right

[4:30:47] Voice 12: now you're looking at certain future bylaw amendments um but you're you're not amending

[4:30:55] Voice 12: the bylaw today because they anticipated that there could be others um other guidelines that

[4:31:01] Voice 12: they'll come out they'll just do it all right yeah that means that why can't we get a referral

[4:31:07] Voice 12: out to the apc in the meantime so that that information comes back at the same time i don't

[4:31:14] Voice 12: see how it's going to add to the length if a referral is already out we're also making changes

[4:31:20] Voice 12: is but we need public good or social effects i

[4:31:25] Voice 10: think i mean i absolutely it's not

[4:31:27] Voice 10: to remain to

[4:31:27] Voice 10: this motion and i will say that but i absolutely think we want to uh prefer the docs issue to the

[4:31:34] Voice 10: abc isn't it

[4:31:34] Voice 12: we do like it so i mean not

[4:31:37] Voice 10: notwithstanding staff's advice i

[4:31:39] Voice 12: i want i want

[4:31:40] Voice 12: that to go to the agency yeah i mean maybe deal with this motion yeah so we have a second we have

[4:31:50] Voice 12: a motion um did you want that again okay seconded by trustee laroni uh all those in favor of the

[4:31:56] Voice 12: amended proposed changes and that is carried thank you um so just to get on the floor i would like to

[4:32:06] Voice 12: direct staff to amend the project charter to include as an in scope item a referral to the

[4:32:13] Voice 12: the LISCETI APC, to consider private docks in their use, specifically towards defining

[4:32:21] Voice 12: how environmental and social effects should be addressed as per draft section 4.4.7, boats

[4:32:29] Voice 12: and maritime vessels.

[4:32:33] Voice 12: So that is moved and seconded by Trustee Peterson.

[4:32:39] Voice 12: So let's have a discussion about is this feasible?

[4:32:41] Voice 12: is it

[4:32:42] Voice 12: is it going to

[4:32:45] Voice 12: push us too far down the road

[4:32:48] Voice 12: yeah

[4:32:50] Voice 12: I mean I think I've given you

[4:32:51] Voice 12: my advice on it

[4:32:53] Voice 12: it's going to impact your work plan

[4:32:55] Voice 12: and maybe

[4:32:57] Voice 12: and it's going to add

[4:33:00] Voice 12: work and it may add time

[4:33:01] Voice 12: and it may

[4:33:03] Voice 12: I mean it's

[4:33:10] Voice 12: yeah I think that's it

[4:33:11] Voice 12: so it's not that you can't do it

[4:33:13] Voice 12: you can do it

[4:33:17] Voice 12: I'm okay with that in time because this is the moment where the community is engaged on this

[4:33:22] Voice 12: issue they want to talk about it let's give them an avenue to discuss it you know and and really

[4:33:28] Voice 12: that brings back together the community discussion element of the OCP while we're waiting to draft

[4:33:34] Voice 12: these other amendments and get back from us so

[4:33:36] Voice 10: I agree and there's no guarantee that we're going

[4:33:38] Voice 10: to have clarity on our after our first discussions than else it may take a couple of meetings that

[4:33:43] Voice 10: had clarity on the the the issues with the ocp so yeah it's i actually

[4:33:48] Voice 10: think this gives

[4:33:49] Voice 10: potentially gives us something to while we're waiting

[4:33:52] Voice 14: yeah and

[4:33:53] Voice 12: you will at what point maybe

[4:33:57] Voice 12: i'll ask the question then at what point do you want if you do want the irritants to not

[4:34:04] Voice 12: about dogs at what point right and when do they see you know um it's a it's a critical

[4:34:12] Voice 10: no i agree i don't because you yeah well i i mean my perspective sorry i'm totally not going

[4:34:20] Voice 10: through the chair here excuse me madam chair if i may uh my perspective is that um as we go into

[4:34:28] Voice 10: those talks with none else and we're working on this ocp i i don't i don't see i mean there's

[4:34:36] Voice 10: there's a difference between an official referral and having a discussion saying hey this is an

[4:34:41] Voice 10: issue right now we're trying to find out what the community wants this is an opportunity before we

[4:34:48] Voice 10: get to a referral to also have the conversation with you i don't i don't think we have to wait

[4:34:52] Voice 10: to a referral to have that discussion with snows

[4:34:54] Voice 8: around dogs and

[4:34:55] Voice 11: it may be a separate project about

[4:34:57] Voice 11: shoreline protection

[4:34:58] Voice 12: so a separate like yes our ocp has to stop being amended at a point in time

[4:35:04] Voice 12: like that shoreline protection issue and private dogs I think is probably it's

[4:35:11] Voice 12: that's just what I'm guessing but maybe someone else isn't interested maybe it's more

[4:35:15] Voice 12: forestry and how much of that business they're interested in so we don't know

[4:35:20] Voice 12: until they come back so okay so that's moved and seconded any further

[4:35:27] Voice 12: discussion on the resolution on the floor Catherine do you have it do you want me to

[4:35:31] Voice 12: email it to you yeah

[4:35:33] Voice 7: it might i think there's a couple things i'm missing i have um at the

[4:35:39] Voice 7: luskete island local trust committee request staff to amend the project charter to include

[4:35:44] Voice 7: as an in scope item a referral to the luskete apc to consider private docs and their use in

[4:35:51] Voice 7: regard to their social and environmental effects as it relates to items in the ocp policy 15

[4:35:57] Voice 7: sort

[4:35:59] Voice 12: of to consider private dogs and their use specifically toward defining how environmental

[4:36:07] Voice 12: and social effects should be addressed and then what i included was section 4.4.7 which is

[4:36:15] Voice 12: the renumbered section of this um proposed ocp boats and maritime vessels

[4:36:23] Voice 12: vessels.

[4:36:24] Voice 7: Okay, maybe that would be great if you could email me that.

[4:36:28] Voice 12: Yes, I will. Okay.

[4:36:32] Voice 12: And then I'll send it to you, Stephen, as well. Okay. That has been seconded, and it is emailed.

[4:36:41] Voice 12: Do you consider practice on this? I don't know. Okay,

[4:36:45] Voice 12: great. All those in favor? Aye. Aye.

[4:36:48] Voice 12: Carrie, sorry, more work. Longer timeline. This is what we do.

[4:36:55] Voice 12: okay let's move quickly through we may not have time to get through the other

[4:37:00] Voice 12: um matters so

[4:37:06] Voice 12: i mean it depends how we can't we want to go on that memorandums

[4:37:10] Voice 12: right thank you for your work

[4:37:12] Voice 12: that's projects you know um so is there anything to raise with

[4:37:17] Voice 12: correspondence we'll receive it all for information yeah

[4:37:22] Voice 10: just just that uh i i asked the um forest

[4:37:27] Voice 10: company to just include the ltc in their list of people right that's why this is here

[4:37:34] Voice 10: so the

[4:37:35] Voice 12: review of the new provincial short-term rental accommodation act for the skidiawa local

[4:37:40] Voice 12: trust area there's a nevo um and sonia is on hand to present this we're in a bit of a time crunch

[4:37:49] Voice 12: for the ferry but um we did hear from community members today that um they are concerned about

[4:37:58] Voice 12: short-term vacation rentals and potentially what would be the implications of being included in the

[4:38:06] Voice 12: in the act for principal residency requirements does that involve any changes for the

[4:38:14] Voice 12: community yeah

[4:38:18] Voice 1: so i know that you're all rushing can you hear me okay because your audio has been

[4:38:21] Voice 1: sort of cutting out a little bit okay so um in our cursory analysis which was just on behalf of

[4:38:27] Voice 1: all the northern local trust areas we didn't do a deep dive it appears that there's no serious

[4:38:32] Voice 1: implications with your current bylaws in terms of their alliance or alignment with the provincial

[4:38:39] Voice 1: move towards short-term rental accommodation. So we're not recommending any changes or improvements

[4:38:46] Voice 1: at this time for Liskiti. However, if you did want to actually do a thorough review and address

[4:38:52] Voice 1: concerns that the community is raising around those types of rentals taking place on the island

[4:38:57] Voice 1: and reviewing your own regulations, then we'd recommend this be identified as a specific

[4:39:01] Voice 1: standalone project. Every year, the LTC has the ability to opt in to the principal residence

[4:39:07] Voice 1: requirement should you wish to do that. So it isn't that this is the only year to do that. You

[4:39:11] Voice 1: can wait to do an analysis, do some consultation with the community, and refine your own land use

[4:39:18] Voice 1: bylaw to better reflect the needs of the community with regards to this economic activity within

[4:39:25] Voice 1: in residential zones and in this case your land-based zone on luskeety right

[4:39:31] Voice 12: yep so just

[4:39:33] Voice 10: a question um is the is there a contemplation that the uh option to opt in uh will come

[4:39:43] Voice 10: back to local trust committees next year for consideration those that don't know

[4:39:48] Voice 10: yeah

[4:39:48] Voice 1: it appears that the province is setting it up as a uh recurring opting in as communities

[4:39:55] Voice 1: communities address this issue, contemplate it, consult with the affected operators that they

[4:40:02] Voice 1: will require an annual intake. So that is what is currently laid out March 31st each year to be in

[4:40:09] Voice 1: effect by November 1st of that same year in terms of enforcement, which the province would then

[4:40:14] Voice 1: enforce upon.

[4:40:16] Voice 12: Great. Okay. So this will come

[4:40:19] Voice 10: back to us.

[4:40:20] Voice 12: So this will come back. I think we don't

[4:40:22] Voice 12: have any update for it um we'll just receive thank you so much sonia you're welcome uh 11.2 for um

[4:40:29] Voice 12: information 11.3 was going to be the discussion on dustin bones films giving

[4:40:36] Voice 10: over 11.2 today uh

[4:40:38] Voice 12: 11.2

[4:40:39] Voice 12: was a memorandum and i was suggesting we proceed um but 11.3 do you want to ask staff to request

[4:40:48] Voice 12: request that film. Yes.

[4:40:51] Voice 10: Okay. So do we need a resolution for that? We do.

[4:40:56] Voice 10: In which case

[4:40:57] Voice 10: I move that the Muskegee Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a screening

[4:41:08] Voice 10: of Dust and Bones and or one of the other films on the list. And I'd

[4:41:18] Voice 12: also suggest you

[4:41:19] Voice 12: you asked out to work with the primary first nation is to coordinate the discussion because

[4:41:31] Voice 12: sometimes there's sensitivities around

[4:41:33] Voice 2: bringing

[4:41:35] Voice 12: a coward so a member of another first nation to

[4:41:39] Voice 12: talk about cultural heritage and territory you want the host nation to be involved

[4:41:45] Voice 10: in that so

[4:41:46] Voice 10: my understanding is that this is going through trust there is this request would be going to

[4:41:51] Voice 10: trust services the industry is yeah and um i mean my directions are just there in the services

[4:42:03] Voice 10: very little i have for these issues like

[4:42:05] Voice 12: posterity was asked me if there would be issues

[4:42:07] Voice 12: they don't necessarily okay so we

[4:42:11] Voice 12: do have to clarify so

[4:42:14] Voice 10: that we will

[4:42:16] Voice 12: just maybe inquire like

[4:42:18] Voice 12: and the feasibility of bringing that project here and working with them and

[4:42:23] Voice 10: inquire about the

[4:42:24] Voice 10: feasibility of working with local earth nations to

[4:42:27] Voice 12: host a discussion to host

[4:42:28] Voice 10: a discussion on the film

[4:42:30] Voice 12: indigenous cultural heritage catherine will email you the resolution um that i second that any proof

[4:42:42] Voice 12: of the discussion i apologize for the race all those in favor that is carried we will do some

[4:42:47] Voice 12: work on getting dust and bones here we're going to skip past the rest we've got to go our next

[4:42:51] Voice 12: regular meeting is scheduled for monday may 6 2024 at 11 a.m at this venue and i'll move to

[4:42:58] Voice 12: adjourn an hour and a half late all those in favor that is carried we have to go