Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, March 25, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 6: streams all right here we are it looks like we're all gathered together in person for the first time

[0:00:06] Voice 6: in 2024 we haven't had the pleasure of gathering on main island for a couple of meetings um but um

[0:00:15] Voice 6: thank you everyone welcome main

[0:00:18] Voice 6: island local trust committee folks here i've got to my right

[0:00:21] Voice 6: david todd your local trustee on my left janae dots our minute taker pat todd and our island

[0:00:29] Voice 6: and planner marissa chadwick and one member of the public in attendance thank goodness we have

[0:00:35] Voice 6: a very not very exciting agenda today i have to say but there's a few key business items we want

[0:00:41] Voice 6: to get through um but i want to start as always that um with the commitment to reconciliation

[0:00:48] Voice 6: and to acknowledging our place in this landscape and so as we make decisions um on the lands and

[0:00:56] Voice 6: the waters and for our communities we want to always be cognizant that these lands and waters

[0:01:02] Voice 6: have been time to Coast Salish peoples have been home to Coast Salish peoples for since time in

[0:01:08] Voice 6: Memorial and we want to keep that perspective of their interests their knowledge and history

[0:01:18] Voice 6: with these lands and the relationship they have with the lands today or front in our minds so

[0:01:23] Voice 6: So we're not making these decisions in isolation.

[0:01:25] Voice 6: I hope we're walking together forward in a good way.

[0:01:29] Voice 6: I was just noticing in the village that there's a screening of a Cedar is Life film on March 30th.

[0:01:37] Voice 6: I've been wanting to see that for a long time, but it's here at the Aggie Hall, if anyone wants to go.

[0:01:43] Voice 6: And that's by a Coast Salish cultural archaeologist, Harold Joe and Leslie Bland.

[0:01:52] Voice 6: so they'll be doing a presentation and I think there's a Q&A with Leslie Glenn and a presentation

[0:01:59] Voice 6: by Salish Carver, Chas Elliott. So encourage anyone to get informed of Indigenous perspectives

[0:02:08] Voice 6: on the plan. There

[0:02:10] Voice 3: is an art display at the library. Oh yeah. Chas Elliott and one who's a

[0:02:14] Voice 3: weaver. Perfect. And it's going to be up for a little while. Great.

[0:02:18] Voice 3: And then there's, and I don't

[0:02:21] Voice 3: I don't know if I'm going to pronounce this correctly, but there's an important language workshop

[0:02:26] Voice 7: coming up.

[0:02:28] Voice 7: And

[0:02:28] Voice 3: our main, I'm on the program committee for the library.

[0:02:35] Voice 3: The theme for this year's main reads is transformation.

[0:02:41] Voice 3: And the books that we have are, one book is by Thompson Highway.

[0:02:46] Voice 3: way yeah and

[0:02:47] Voice 3: it's the essays that he had from the Massey lectures and then

[0:02:53] Voice 3: there's a young adult

[0:02:54] Voice 3: book about a young Indigenous girl from Fitz Rupert

[0:02:58] Voice 6: okay so some opportunities for cultural

[0:03:01] Voice 6: sharing and learning

[0:03:02] Voice 6: and encourage everyone to get out and see the display it's really interesting

[0:03:06] Voice 6: at the library it looks wonderful so thank you for that um so we'll move into our agenda now

[0:03:14] Voice 6: Is there any items to be amended or added? I'm just going to add the dog park under new

[0:03:20] Voice 6: business and update. That's dog park update. Dog park update.

[0:03:25] Voice 7: Okay. New

[0:03:26] Voice 6: business. For people with

[0:03:26] Voice 6: dogs. Thank you. Anything else? Nope. So we'll adopt the agenda as amended and open our meeting

[0:03:38] Voice 6: for town hall if anyone wants to maybe charlene yeah talk about talk about your question now

[0:03:45] Voice 6: this is town hall you can talk about whatever you want yeah you can talk about

[0:03:48] Voice 6: your the letter

[0:03:50] Voice 6: that you've given all of us a paper copy thank you so much you're

[0:03:54] Voice 3: welcome um what i would like

[0:03:57] Voice 3: to ask in the course of um clarifying and embedding the use of veterinary clinic on my

[0:04:04] Voice 3: property at 500 Felix Jack is I would also like to have it include a small animal shelter. The

[0:04:16] Voice 3: animal shelter that was here on Main Island for some years and it is a registered charitable,

[0:04:24] Voice 3: I put the number on the document I gave you. They are on Galliano, they moved there when

[0:04:33] Voice 3: when the operators here were no longer living here.

[0:04:38] Voice 3: But it occasions a phenomenal amount of traffic

[0:04:41] Voice 3: back and forth for the volunteers.

[0:04:44] Voice 3: And Dr. Jaran is their vet.

[0:04:48] Voice 3: And it would make a lot of sense for them to move over here.

[0:04:54] Voice 3: But the other reason is not just proximity.

[0:04:57] Voice 3: We are seeing an increasing number of abandoned animals,

[0:05:01] Voice 3: just like everybody else after COVID.

[0:05:03] Voice 3: people got pets, and they leave. And it's a double whammy on the islands, because

[0:05:11] Voice 3: in some ways, there's a mentality that, oh, all us nice people on the islands will look after

[0:05:17] Voice 3: these animals. So I have had abandoned cats just walk up my driveway. And there is definitely need

[0:05:27] Voice 3: for a formal shelter arrangement that has the funds to deal with this which is what the

[0:05:35] Voice 3: organization can do as well as getting the veterinary assistance so I make a point of

[0:05:43] Voice 3: saying small we're not looking at hordes of animals we tried to talk about what it might

[0:05:51] Voice 3: might be maximum and possibly 25 to 30 and mostly cats because usually the dogs that are here

[0:06:01] Voice 3: are temporarily lost and we can find the owners but it would be also helpful to have an actual

[0:06:09] Voice 3: place to take them Sam does it informally but it would be nice to have an actual location my

[0:06:18] Voice 3: my place is great I'm surrounded by trees uh no close neighbors and um everything's in place for

[0:06:26] Voice 3: it I've already got lots of fencing and any outdoor structure that would be designed for

[0:06:32] Voice 3: them would include overhead fencing which is what they have a galliano already so there's

[0:06:37] Voice 3: no concern about them escaping

[0:06:39] Voice 7: do you

[0:06:42] Voice 6: have an approximate square footage of like what any

[0:06:45] Voice 6: any built structure not the fence there but how many squares we would have to put i think

[0:06:50] Voice 6: square footage in there we

[0:06:52] Voice 3: we kind of look we went

[0:06:53] Voice 3: to raps animal sanctuary in richmond

[0:06:56] Voice 3: and had a look at what they have now they have 500 cats um and uh but what they've got is a whole

[0:07:04] Voice 3: series and it's incredibly well maintained if you ever get a chance you should go it's amazing

[0:07:10] Voice 3: um but they've got a pathway down the center and they've got god knows i don't even know how many

[0:07:16] Voice 3: separated yards inside in the center of which of each one is a building that's about

[0:07:23] Voice 3: 10 or 12 by 10 or 12 so let's just say about 100 square feet and then there's a yard of another

[0:07:31] Voice 3: 10 feet all the way around and they segregate the cats by different needs so that's it they

[0:07:41] Voice 3: They said that that kind of space is very handleable, and that's what we're looking at.

[0:07:47] Voice 3: So if we said to a maximum of

[0:07:48] Voice 6: 500, if you were actually going to build from scratch, you might only build one 100.

[0:07:53] Voice 6: But if it expanded, yeah, because I think I could be wrong, but I think it might be easier for the planner.

[0:07:59] Voice 6: We have sort of to a maximum size for structures.

[0:08:02] Voice 3: Right. And at the moment, we're only talking one.

[0:08:06] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:08:07] Voice 3: But

[0:08:08] Voice 6: let's say I'm in this way.

[0:08:15] Voice 6: Marisa, I don't know, because we can talk about this again, but do we need more details on how to incorporate this into our bylaw, or should we wait until we get to that section?

[0:08:24] Voice 3: We've

[0:08:25] Voice 6: got Charlene here in case there's questions.

[0:08:30] Voice 6: I'm happy to stay until it comes up on the agenda.

[0:08:32] Voice 6: It'll be there in like two seconds.

[0:08:34] Trustee Maude: Yeah, it won't be long.

[0:08:35] Trustee Maude: um

[0:08:36] Voice 6: yeah so um

[0:08:38] Voice 5: i think that's uh it's something that can be added as an accessory accessory to

[0:08:44] Voice 5: the veterinary and the

[0:08:46] Voice 6: things to think about are you know if you want um to think about limit of

[0:08:50] Voice 6: size um uh limit on number of animals um like a type of animal i you know those are the questions

[0:08:59] Voice 6: that are sort of kind of writing up here as questions that uh yeah

[0:09:03] Voice 7: type that's what i think

[0:09:04] Voice 6: about yeah you know it depends on how limiting you want the you know flexible well i keep hearing of

[0:09:11] Voice 6: this issue of fallow deer having escaped from an enclosure several years ago and now there's a

[0:09:17] Voice 6: permanent problem so enclosures are important and the types of animals that we are sheltering

[0:09:24] Voice 6: may be important

[0:09:25] Trustee Maude: it's pretty much cats and dogs pretty

[0:09:27] Voice 3: much cats the occasional dog i do have

[0:09:30] Voice 3: back in my property when we first bought the place um i didn't know very much about deer

[0:09:36] Voice 3: and i could see that the deer were going up to mount park past the edge of my property

[0:09:44] Voice 3: and i'm a softie so when we had our property fenced with livestock fencing it's six to seven

[0:09:50] Voice 3: feet livestock fencing um

[0:09:52] Voice 3: i had it put in at least uh on three sides on the fourth side it's by the

[0:09:59] Voice 3: the trail and it's not in that far but on four sides or three sides it's in 10 feet from the

[0:10:05] Voice 3: property line because i thought if the next door neighbor ever put his fence to the property line

[0:10:10] Voice 3: if i kept it in it would leave a corridor beside my property for the deer to get out to mount park

[0:10:15] Voice 7: so

[0:10:16] Voice 3: the whole back end of my place is fenced and then we built a huge garden

[0:10:21] Voice 3: and i wanted it to look kind of like a mexican walled garden so there is this outer fence and

[0:10:28] Voice 3: And then my garden is fenced with a solid fence inside.

[0:10:32] Voice 3: So there's this great big horseshoe shape of land in behind my place.

[0:10:37] Voice 3: You can't see it from anywhere, no property.

[0:10:40] Voice 3: And it's about in total about an acre.

[0:10:44] Voice 3: And neighbors have brought ponies over there.

[0:10:47] Voice 3: It's essentially just like a little paddock.

[0:10:50] Voice 7: I've

[0:10:50] Voice 3: got gates on it, but it is well fenced all the way around.

[0:10:54] Voice 3: down so it's there if there was a stray alpaca walking down the road uh i don't know if vets

[0:11:04] Voice 3: have ever had to deal with that but it is there in that event so so it should be probably should

[0:11:12] Voice 3: have language

[0:11:12] Voice 6: i mean because it is true that you know somebody's cow gets out or somebody's sheep

[0:11:16] Voice 6: or somebody's horse and we're not usually the owner finds it and gets it back in but it would

[0:11:22] Voice 6: would be nice to know we

[0:11:24] Voice 3: can lock my head up

[0:11:24] Voice 6: early well it wouldn't be my horse but somebody else's

[0:11:27] Voice 6: that then i would have a place that we could take it so it would be nice to have language

[0:11:31] Voice 6: etc on a temporary basis large animals could be accommodated and the conditions of accommodation

[0:11:38] Voice 6: like if somebody's just leaving home for a vacation and do a vacation stay look after

[0:11:44] Voice 6: like that's where shelter kind of gets well

[0:11:46] Voice 3: most shelters don't do that that's a boarding

[0:11:49] Voice 3: I

[0:11:49] Voice 6: just wouldn't want to see this misused so just really defining because we're almost defining a business.

[0:11:55] Voice 6: If I can say our bylaws allow boarding kennels automatically. I think

[0:11:59] Voice 6: your Sony would automatically.

[0:12:00] Voice 5: Boarding kennels

[0:12:01] Voice 6: are totally different. I'm pretty sure.

[0:12:04] Voice 5: If

[0:12:04] Voice 6: we adhere to the definition of animal shelter, you can see.

[0:12:10] Voice 6: We can even put a definition into the bylaw.

[0:12:15] Voice 6: gotcha okay so i

[0:12:17] Voice 3: don't know if it's something that might come up down the road because what

[0:12:21] Voice 3: some shelters do um is use a small boarding arrangement as a fundraiser

[0:12:26] Voice 7: okay um

[0:12:28] Voice 3: we haven't

[0:12:29] Voice 3: actually talked about it so personally i'd love to have a place on island for the summertime

[0:12:35] Voice 3: where people who are weekenders and summer people could park a dog for a day and go shopping or

[0:12:41] Voice 3: something like that we haven't really talked about that i say and

[0:12:45] Voice 6: that's a use anyways within the

[0:12:46] Voice 6: rules so

[0:12:47] Voice 3: that someone wants to do

[0:12:48] Voice 3: that i mean

[0:12:48] Voice 6: i would suggest that like something like that

[0:12:51] Voice 6: because you potentially apply for a cup if you want to test drive a business yeah okay

[0:12:58] Voice 6: i don't think i have any more

[0:13:00] Voice 6: questions um any more stuff i do think the language should refer

[0:13:06] Voice 6: for the fact that it's possible that you would end up with a stray dog I just say rarely would

[0:13:12] Voice 6: you keep dogs very long and the rabbits are another one that short-term yes definitely

[0:13:17] Voice 1: for

[0:13:17] Voice 6: for lost and deaf and feral animals so it should be broad enough just to anticipate but

[0:13:26] Voice 6: the rat definitely has the rabbit issues definitely dog issues I don't think ever but

[0:13:31] Voice 6: there could be and then definitely cats have been the biggest issue

[0:13:34] Voice 7: for

[0:13:35] Voice 6: all all the rescues I think

[0:13:37] Voice 6: cats yeah feral cats everywhere barren cats go away how about a peacock oh

[0:13:44] Voice 6: but

[0:13:45] Voice 7: it must be joyce be

[0:13:48] Voice 6: careful with those peacocks on april uh we've got a

[0:13:53] Voice 6: herd a flock whatever you can and they have taken over several properties don't you have

[0:13:59] Voice 3: turkey problems and

[0:14:00] Voice 6: problems also brought in as a domestic and loosened and they take

[0:14:07] Voice 6: over the crosswalk sometimes yeah they weigh down that power line oh yeah oh yeah

[0:14:12] Voice 6: yeah i don't know

[0:14:14] Voice 6: they're part of the last game now but the peacocks are really annoying they're very loud so i do not

[0:14:19] Voice 6: recommend keeping them no

[0:14:20] Voice 3: the ones that i think they just go on a little outing around here and

[0:14:25] Voice 3: then head back home okay um

[0:14:28] Voice 6: for my questions thank you for being here and um what point are we

[0:14:36] Voice 6: considering we're still at town hall yes we are okay thank you okay does anybody else wish to

[0:14:44] Voice 6: address the local trust

[0:14:45] Voice 7: me uh

[0:14:46] Voice 6: anything you want to it's a very mighty thing

[0:14:54] Voice 4: so steph felt really really bad she had to cancel your lunch

[0:15:11] Voice 6: And I

[0:15:12] Voice 6: see there's no participants in the online, so that's it for town hall, ladies and folks.

[0:15:28] Voice 6: um okay so we've got no community information meeting minutes or caring notes and we just have

[0:15:36] Voice 6: one set of meeting minutes for adoption are there any issues or changes with those all good okay

[0:15:45] Voice 6: take it

[0:15:46] Voice 7: by general consent

[0:15:47] Voice 6: that we adopt the minutes of february 26 2024 and now um in your

[0:15:55] Voice 6: agenda is page 11 we've got a follow-up action list we can ask questions of staff or get updates

[0:16:01] Voice 6: on um print action items i was wanting to sort of ask about wooddale and how things are progressing

[0:16:11] Voice 6: at all if at all yeah so i think what we had sort of had some conversation with at one point was um

[0:16:17] Voice 6: to maybe consider that as part of the housing project so when we get to the housing project

[0:16:23] Voice 6: that conversation we can talk about how we wonder interesting okay great good to know and i'll make

[0:16:32] Voice 6: note just on the um follow-up action list that um so now charlie caprock has moved on i've got the

[0:16:39] Voice 6: blaney uh i'm still handling that right now okay and um i have had a conversation with them in it

[0:16:45] Voice 6: and it looks like they're going to stay within there with the existing density oh interesting

[0:16:50] Voice 6: But that's it. So we'll see where that goes. The last conversation they're going to go

[0:16:57] Voice 6: come back and come back with their new proposal and see what will be required.

[0:17:04] Voice 6: Interesting. They were also considering staying within like one building.

[0:17:09] Voice 6: So I'm trying to avoid a rezoning. Oh, OK. Yeah.

[0:17:13] Voice 6: So it may end up just being a DBP. We'll see.

[0:17:16] Voice 6: Yeah, which is actually harder than a rezoni. I tried to warn them.

[0:17:20] Voice 6: Oh, a DPP can be quite a complex because it's about sight and use and looks and

[0:17:25] Voice 7: yeah. So

[0:17:27] Voice 6: anyway, I said come back with your design and we'll let you know what's required.

[0:17:34] Voice 6: Gotcha, good. Okay, thanks for that.

[0:17:38] Voice 6: And I have not yet drafted a letter to MOTI read the roadside brush clearing,

[0:17:44] Voice 6: but we are going to have a meeting right so there's a meeting of the southern gulf islands

[0:17:50] Voice 6: being proposed yeah by sean haley who's minister of transport so that would be a real time to bring

[0:17:56] Voice 6: up this issue it's it's the degree of brush cutting that they do where

[0:18:00] Voice 6: they apparently have

[0:18:01] Voice 6: a rule and so they slash all all the low growing which we have very little of that would hold the

[0:18:06] Voice 6: water from taking off so it's something they might want to look at modifying their procedures i read

[0:18:13] Voice 3: read that yeah people

[0:18:14] Voice 3: were really upset really

[0:18:17] Voice 6: upset well and the difference was it's um sorry

[0:18:22] Voice 6: mowing versus there's a different process that they use every couple of years and it's quite

[0:18:28] Voice 6: aggressive to clear sight lines and if they had mapped ahead of time where neighbors had done the

[0:18:35] Voice 6: appropriate clearing and the sight lines were okay they said they wouldn't have done that type of

[0:18:40] Voice 6: of clearing

[0:18:41] Voice 6: but yeah so it's

[0:18:42] Voice 6: overkill or april 29th for southern gulf island salted and trusted

[0:18:46] Voice 6: staff and crd so anything that we want added to that agenda uh if there's any other multi

[0:18:54] Voice 6: well the yellow

[0:18:55] Voice 6: it's the yellow it's huge lack of yellow lack of yellow line okay i'll do that

[0:19:02] Voice 6: especially the village bay road because now with the trail and the dark topsoil

[0:19:06] Voice 7: it's

[0:19:07] Voice 6: really hard to differentiate between going down to that soft shoulder rate which you can

[0:19:11] Voice 6: see people have done it's not areas really yeah yellow lines and brush cutting what about active

[0:19:22] Voice 6: transportation plan is there any i mean you've got your village way your the path is okay yep

[0:19:28] Voice 6: the reality is for the amount of money that's three million dollars it could put everybody

[0:19:33] Voice 6: a bicycle so no i mean you know it

[0:19:36] Voice 6: sounds great to create like trails but they're hugely it took

[0:19:41] Voice 6: what a hundred trees out so i'm not into active transportation in the islands and our our village

[0:19:47] Voice 6: path on the world is just paved oh we didn't

[0:19:50] Voice 6: even we didn't even get the path that you folks had

[0:19:53] Voice 6: yeah so i don't think the two are actually they're linked together they're not environmentally

[0:20:01] Voice 6: So, okay, any more questions on the follow-up action list?

[0:20:08] Voice 7: I'm

[0:20:08] Voice 6: sad to be losing Charlie.

[0:20:10] Voice 6: Yes, yes.

[0:20:11] Voice 6: It's going

[0:20:12] Voice 6: up to the north, I hear.

[0:20:16] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:20:17] Voice 6: No further questions there.

[0:20:21] Voice 6: No delegations.

[0:20:22] Voice 6: We did get one piece of correspondence, and I will note that there was one letter writer

[0:20:27] Voice 6: writer about protection of shoreline early on and they asked me to convey that I think to the

[0:20:35] Voice 6: Conservancy but I think the appropriate place for shoreline protection probably Regional Planning

[0:20:40] Voice 6: Committee I think David just sent it to me yeah so um great no applications and referrals we finally

[0:20:48] Voice 6: get to our local trust committee projects we've got two reports uh page 13 of your agenda

[0:21:03] Voice 6: I'm sorry that was my mistake. It's only for first review. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

[0:21:12] Voice 6: I made a mistake on that. We've been doing a lot last couple of weeks. We're

[0:21:16] Voice 7: not actually going

[0:21:17] Voice 6: to first reading today.

[0:21:18] Voice 6: I didn't think so, there's

[0:21:19] Voice 6: still a little bit of conversation to be had, and then yeah that was my mistake, and

[0:21:26] Voice 6: also one of the recommendations is that we not go to public hearing, so this is I think going to be the first by-law that's not going to public hearing.

[0:21:38] Voice 6: To my knowledge, yeah.

[0:21:39] Voice 6: And

[0:21:39] Voice 7: we can apply that

[0:21:40] Voice 6: process. So that's the new provincial

[0:21:44] Voice 6: opportunity.

[0:21:45] Voice 6: By law, I thought seven didn't have a public hearing. Also,

[0:21:48] Voice 6: they didn't. Okay, so I was thinking of it might have been

[0:21:50] Voice 6: one, one other one. Anyways, in this case, so in terms of

[0:21:54] Voice 6: process, if you decide not to go public out here, you do need to

[0:21:59] Voice 6: give notice of first reading to the community. So

[0:22:04] Voice 6: they do have

[0:22:05] Voice 6: an opportunity to to comment okay and so that's what that's one of the recommendations is that we

[0:22:10] Voice 6: cannot hold public hearing uh and that staff give those for a first reading uh in accordance with

[0:22:16] Voice 6: the local government can you change the local webinar and sorry

[0:22:19] Voice 6: just to clarify again you don't

[0:22:21] Voice 6: have to give first reading if it's a housing related project or if it's in alignment with

[0:22:26] Voice 6: your ocp except the two main conditions or i mean a public hearing uh uh if it's in like yes yes

[0:22:32] Voice 1: Yes, if there's an alignment,

[0:22:33] Voice 6: it's in OCP or if it's supporting housing related things, yeah.

[0:22:44] Voice 6: The other recommendation here is that we want to move this process

[0:22:49] Voice 6: ahead as efficiently as we can. So that's what both of these recommendations are related to.

[0:22:56] Voice 6: So the second one is about sending a referral. So we don't have a, we don't have an April meeting,

[0:23:05] Voice 6: So there's an opportunity for us to send the, if you're happy with the draft by law, you

[0:23:11] Voice 6: can send them up for referral and then by the main meeting and we'll have had a couple

[0:23:17] Voice 6: of months or at least a month and a half opportunity for those that the relevant agencies to respond

[0:23:25] Voice 6: on those.

[0:23:26] Voice 6: those um i've given you a list of the

[0:23:30] Voice 5: uh so we've got the the draft the bylaws and draft

[0:23:35] Voice 5: amendment is there in the appendix and i've

[0:23:38] Voice 6: given you a summary of the of the um of the topics and

[0:23:43] Voice 6: and

[0:23:44] Voice 5: the numbers that are related and i've made some notes so from my perspective and let me know

[0:23:49] Voice 5: um which other ones you want to have conversation with but it seems to me um the ones that i um

[0:23:55] Voice 5: believe, what I understand you want to have a conversation on would

[0:24:00] Voice 6: be the vet clinic.

[0:24:02] Voice 6: We need to have a conversation on that. We need to establish what that's going to be.

[0:24:07] Voice 6: Potentially the teacherage. Teacherage we need to talk about because I just didn't point that one

[0:24:17] Voice 6: out to you. The contractor yards, that language has been offered to you for discussion,

[0:24:29] Voice 5: because we didn't have any decisions on that. And then the limits on coverage in the resource

[0:24:38] Voice 5: conservation zone was also something that had been discussed yet. Are there any other things

[0:24:44] Voice 6: on this list that you'd like to discuss okay

[0:24:49] Trustee Maude: table one um where you're at the music fest

[0:24:53] Trustee Maude: there's a typo there yeah

[0:24:54] Voice 6: oh yeah music fest so after permitting yeah music back okay

[0:25:02] Voice 6: yeah okay yeah is it are there any other um topics nope

[0:25:12] Voice 5: okay so may

[0:25:13] Voice 6: i ask a question

[0:25:14] Voice 6: uh typically no oh okay but if it's related to yours when we discuss

[0:25:20] Voice 6: it oh um

[0:25:21] Voice 3: just one of the

[0:25:23] Voice 3: things you're skipping over i just wanted to ask if there's any value if you're not going to discuss

[0:25:30] Voice 3: something is there any value in somebody saying raw i'm for it

[0:25:34] Voice 1: well

[0:25:38] Voice 3: the church one is all i'm

[0:25:40] Voice 3: yeah

[0:25:40] Voice 6: okay thank you you can give us a raw yeah

[0:25:42] Voice 3: that'll be okay since there's so few of us here

[0:25:46] Voice 3: i just wanted you know if people in attendance were in favor okay

[0:25:50] Voice 6: it's hard to allow yeah the

[0:25:55] Voice 6: debate is with honor thank you for that so

[0:26:00] Voice 5: yeah so why don't we we can i would suggest that we

[0:26:03] Voice 5: maybe start with the vet clinic because we had some conversation about that we've got um

[0:26:07] Voice 5: property owner here okay um and so our conversation so um what i'm suggesting uh is that we we we

[0:26:18] Voice 5: allow uh you can allow the um the animal shelter and again i think that that that that um that

[0:26:25] Voice 6: wording is appropriate uh reference to animal shelter is appropriate uh given the definition

[0:26:30] Voice 6: it suits the use that's been described and there would be if you if you would like an

[0:26:41] Voice 6: opportunity to add that definition to the Biowall if that's a choice for

[0:26:46] Voice 5: you to make.

[0:26:48] Voice 5: And then the other choice is so what I would suggest is that it'd be added as an accessory

[0:27:00] Voice 5: accessory to the vet

[0:27:03] Voice 6: clinic, and

[0:27:05] Voice 6: the decisions for you are to, you know, if you want to limit

[0:27:11] Voice 6: on size, what size it is, if you want to, the kind of wording you'd like to put around

[0:27:17] Voice 6: around um animal um um and um and the the amount of animals those were those were like those were

[0:27:28] Voice 6: the questions that were for me um that you might want to have some discussion about okay

[0:27:33] Voice 7: yeah so

[0:27:35] Voice 6: yeah you he went first he jumped in last time you were first okay well I just I think to a maximum

[0:27:42] Voice 6: maximum 500 square feet per size of structure and I don't want to include fenced in areas or not but

[0:27:48] Voice 6: you have to have some kind of I mean

[0:27:50] Voice 6: you can always be changed in the future if it's not big

[0:27:52] Voice 6: enough but 500 gives you working area of square footage so whether that's just a shelter or that

[0:27:59] Voice 6: includes the fence area I don't know that would be the yeah to

[0:28:03] Voice 2: me I have

[0:28:03] Voice 6: a determination we could

[0:28:04] Voice 6: say we could say a maximum of 500 square feet of structure of exclusive of fencing yeah increases

[0:28:12] Voice 6: of

[0:28:13] Voice 7: enclosures

[0:28:14] Voice 6: yeah external enclosed area yeah and you know the other thing is I think you know

[0:28:20] Voice 6: it should just be obviously somewhat limited to cats dogs and rabbits rather than getting

[0:28:26] Voice 6: into because obviously it's not going to be serving like the long-term use for a stray

[0:28:32] Voice 6: straight warm up. But rabbits, I think definitely should be

[0:28:37] Voice 6: included in.

[0:28:38] Voice 6: And I just point out that we can so be so whatever you identify

[0:28:42] Voice 6: now, will just be included in the draft for referral, there's

[0:28:46] Voice 6: an opportunity still to, to change it to change the property

[0:28:50] Voice 6: owner may want to come back for more information,

[0:28:52] Voice 5: potentially.

[0:28:55] Voice 6: But you obviously 25 to 30 animals is already in the

[0:28:58] Voice 6: request. So that should be in there as well. Okay, so we should

[0:29:02] Voice 6: say so that's where you'd have to say to a maximum of x amount of 30. and sort of occurs to me that

[0:29:09] Voice 6: um actually i didn't ask is this just domesticated animals or is there why

[0:29:15] Voice 3: it's i believe that there

[0:29:18] Voice 3: would be extra permits and things um occasionally i think the vet has dealt with like a fawn hit

[0:29:27] Voice 3: it on the road um it might need an afternoon of a place to stay but i don't believe well no it's

[0:29:35] Voice 3: never come up for conversation about keeping wild animals there are

[0:29:40] Voice 3: complications yeah okay but the

[0:29:42] Voice 6: cats are primarily feral cats which is during the shelter and dealing with feral cats is finding

[0:29:47] Voice 6: homes for the rest

[0:29:48] Voice 3: of the child

[0:29:49] Voice 6: so the

[0:29:50] Voice 3: first thing they do is spay and neuter so there's no worry

[0:29:53] Voice 6: about

[0:29:53] Voice 3: that but yeah

[0:29:54] Voice 6: try to find them permanent homes i mean that is barn cats is

[0:29:58] Voice 6: about it i know

[0:30:00] Voice 6: there again the scenario that you end up with all these for you but that's you know let's

[0:30:04] Voice 6: stop deal with that when it happens that's

[0:30:06] Voice 3: why they have 500 in there yeah

[0:30:08] Voice 6: yes so we're looking

[0:30:10] Voice 6: for to give direction to staff um is there anything that i'm sorry dave

[0:30:16] Trustee Maude: you've had a

[0:30:17] Voice 6: well

[0:30:18] Trustee Maude: i did a few things say i would assume large animals would be sort of a more of a temporary

[0:30:23] Trustee Maude: So, for the planner, if a horsey stays by for a day or two, do we need to have wording

[0:30:34] Trustee Maude: in there to accommodate that, or are we just going, well, yeah, it's appropriate?

[0:30:43] Voice 6: Yeah, so I think this is where you come back to the definition of shelter, right?

[0:30:46] Voice 6: Which is housing provided for...

[0:30:49] Voice 6: uh oh okay so in this case the definition you provided us is temporary or permanent

[0:30:56] Voice 6: so because some of the cats are definitely permanent right yeah yeah yeah um so i mean

[0:31:03] Voice 6: it's really up to you how much how what degree of um specificity we want to give you to this

[0:31:10] Voice 6: to

[0:31:10] Trustee Maude: me i think we want to be very broad and not not to be more inclusive not exclusive

[0:31:18] Trustee Maude: is um because i think common sense reigns supreme um so and and that's like 500 to me

[0:31:28] Trustee Maude: is actually seems a little bit small but uh really

[0:31:31] Voice 6: yeah

[0:31:32] Trustee Maude: well you said

[0:31:33] Voice 6: the richmond was

[0:31:35] Voice 6: 100 square feet or you know 500 oh

[0:31:37] Voice 3: 100 square feet for a building and then a yard around it

[0:31:42] Voice 3: and looking at the property we we have tentatively talked about two yards two of those

[0:31:51] Voice 3: enclosures um there is space for more but i don't think there's a need for more that we can foresee

[0:31:58] Voice 3: so and some of the animals like the really old cats live in the house to be honest

[0:32:03] Trustee Maude: so i guess the appropriate question is do you feel the 500s a generous number or is that cutting it

[0:32:09] Trustee Maude: fine could

[0:32:10] Voice 3: you say like how could you word it so that you could say any enclosure would be

[0:32:18] Voice 3: 500 square feet so that doesn't limit the number of enclosures

[0:32:22] Voice 3: it wouldn't to me if

[0:32:25] Voice 6: you said exclusive offensive like to me the i'm talking about structures that

[0:32:30] Voice 2: have roofs on them yes so 500 to a maximum of me too could have five one hundreds it's not saying

[0:32:36] Voice 2: a single five hundred square foot oh i

[0:32:38] Voice 6: see what you're saying no i don't think so i would not

[0:32:40] Voice 6: to me to a maximum of that much so you could have five 100s or you could just have one 100 just

[0:32:47] Voice 6: gives you a starting

[0:32:48] Voice 6: base for that but it should be exclusive of your end in fenced area and going

[0:32:53] Voice 6: back to the odd time you might get a larger animal should just stay specifically for uh

[0:32:59] Voice 6: non-permanence um um i'm gonna say storage non-permanent housing for larger animals would

[0:33:06] Voice 6: would be on a week temporary or a week

[0:33:10] Voice 6: or under a day or large

[0:33:11] Voice 7: you're

[0:33:12] Voice 6: right if something happens

[0:33:14] Voice 6: i mean if somebody's barn burns down or or a couple somebody with a horse or a llama

[0:33:18] Voice 6: is drastically ill and can't find someone that you would take that in a short period of time

[0:33:24] Voice 6: at

[0:33:24] Voice 3: the back of my mind um has always been the idea that we need a central if the community

[0:33:30] Voice 3: center is a muster station emergency yeah

[0:33:33] Voice 3: good point i've always looked at my property i've

[0:33:36] Voice 3: always been open to people like just

[0:33:38] Voice 3: me personally not shelter on a volunteer basis to say you need

[0:33:42] Voice 3: to park a horse uh a goat anything about the space it is very

[0:33:46] Voice 6: critical actually to think about

[0:33:48] Voice 6: emergency evacuation and the shelter so i think that's a really good point

[0:33:52] Trustee Maude: so what we're doing

[0:33:54] Trustee Maude: is we're we're within the the bylaw we're just putting very shortly just like animals to

[0:34:02] Trustee Maude: children's men to choose and the detail is in the definition correct we

[0:34:09] Voice 6: can yes well that's what we

[0:34:11] Voice 6: can do i think that's a

[0:34:12] Voice 6: good idea yeah

[0:34:14] Trustee Maude: and so we and then a real kind of challenge

[0:34:18] Trustee Maude: is that i think

[0:34:19] Trustee Maude: the language is going to be very difficult to define what a small little our channel is really

[0:34:23] Voice 7: so

[0:34:23] Trustee Maude: um large animals i

[0:34:26] Voice 7: think so what i'm

[0:34:27] Voice 3: wondering some some language when i looked up definitions

[0:34:30] Voice 3: I looked up quite a number of them and I found these on a page of legal definitions and another

[0:34:39] Voice 3: one I could have used was domestic and companion animals and that covers livestock, pets, everything.

[0:34:48] Voice 3: Maybe that's where we want to go. I'm just I'm looking at

[0:34:50] Voice 6: definitions right now. Domestic

[0:34:57] Trustee Maude: And I think we would need clarification from file enforcement as to whether the enclosures

[0:35:04] Trustee Maude: have to be defined for sizes.

[0:35:09] Voice 5: Well, yes, and I would suggest that that would be a good idea, because what you need to think

[0:35:16] Voice 5: about is if

[0:35:18] Voice 6: the property is sold and somebody else was to operate this. That's why it needs to be

[0:35:27] Voice 6: tied to the vet clinic, absolutely. And I think it's probably prudent to consider a limitation

[0:35:38] Voice 6: on the space for the exposed area, the open area as well.

[0:35:43] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:35:45] Trustee Maude: So maybe we can just give you some future thought, and you can come back with something

[0:35:48] Trustee Maude: for...

[0:35:49] Voice 6: Yeah, so the question is, like, what I need to do is just put something into the amendment

[0:35:54] Voice 6: so that we can send it out for referral.

[0:35:56] Voice 6: So if you're comfortable with me designing a definition that, and I like this idea of

[0:36:04] Voice 6: domestic companion animals definition relating to that um and and then in terms of the nuts and

[0:36:14] Voice 6: bolts the size and all those things you can get back to that um so for now um i could leave it at

[0:36:21] Voice 6: at

[0:36:21] Voice 5: uh animal shelter as an accessory used to the veterinary clinic maximum

[0:36:28] Voice 6: size 500 square feet of

[0:36:30] Voice 6: uh indoor uh indoor space yeah um

[0:36:35] Voice 6: or including um uh maximum 30 animals

[0:36:42] Voice 5: and do you want to do you want to just contemplate it might

[0:36:47] Voice 6: be good to put do you want to put

[0:36:48] Voice 6: something in there or do you want to just contemplate the outdoor space piece right now

[0:36:51] Voice 6: that seems to be where you're going

[0:36:53] Trustee Maude: to to me if if you have a conversation with mr dingman he says

[0:36:58] Trustee Maude: you know when it's fence with the ceiling on it then it needs to be

[0:37:03] Trustee Maude: limited then yeah I think with it I think that's what we would have a

[0:37:07] Trustee Maude: discussion because that's my only fear is is that by law enforcement would say

[0:37:12] Trustee Maude: you've got four square feet of enclosed area it's not permitted.

[0:37:18] Voice 6: Why wouldn't it

[0:37:19] Voice 6: be? Like a farm you can put

[0:37:22] Trustee Maude: a top on to it. I think I think it becomes

[0:37:27] Trustee Maude: something different it

[0:37:28] Voice 3: would be just a wire yeah

[0:37:29] Trustee Maude: yeah not not a yeah

[0:37:31] Trustee Maude: i know i just i ran across a

[0:37:33] Trustee Maude: percentage before um where because when we did the animal shelter there it would i know that the the

[0:37:41] Trustee Maude: enclosure thing became this great big deal but the thing is is that if our bio enforcement people go

[0:37:47] Trustee Maude: whatever then we don't have to

[0:37:49] Voice 6: keeping it broad and it's probably less prescriptive is probably

[0:37:53] Voice 6: with better but maybe a conversation with more and with help and

[0:37:57] Trustee Maude: i totally agree is it as

[0:38:00] Trustee Maude: broad and inclusive as possible because you know if a cow wanders down the road

[0:38:09] Trustee Maude: nobody's going to have a heart attack yeah

[0:38:10] Voice 6: so do we i mean we could say matt well again i mean i

[0:38:15] Voice 6: guess the the outdoor space that's again that's the question so yeah it's it's whether you want

[0:38:21] Voice 6: um i know they've had some issues with a dog shelter compound or cell screen consult

[0:38:28] Voice 6: definitely explore that's a whole different thing a whole different i can definitely explore that

[0:38:35] Voice 6: um so for now for the referral um are you comfortable with me tinkering with this

[0:38:43] Voice 5: definition a little bit uh um to reflect the domestic

[0:38:47] Voice 6: and companion animals um temporary

[0:38:52] Voice 6: temporary housing, the maximum of 500 square feet in-door space and the maximum room for

[0:38:59] Voice 6: the animals.

[0:39:01] Voice 6: So that's all we would have going up for the girls.

[0:39:04] Voice 7: Okay, good.

[0:39:07] Voice 7: That's awesome.

[0:39:08] Voice 7: I'm happy with that.

[0:39:11] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:39:12] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:39:13] Voice 7: That was quick.

[0:39:18] Voice 7: Considering

[0:39:18] Voice 6: this wasn't on the contemplate on the Friday Charter, you

[0:39:22] Voice 7: know, for so many

[0:39:22] Voice 7: Eon

[0:39:23] Voice 6: to go obviously talked about this okay should I continue so let's yeah are we

[0:39:27] Voice 6: back up to 2.7

[0:39:28] Voice 6: the amendment to the concrete yeah so I'll I'll maybe start to the top start at the top so we've

[0:39:35] Voice 6: got we've got setbacks uh contract I feel I'll just speak very quickly before I go to those ones

[0:39:41] Voice 6: I'll speak to the ones I think limited discussion okay uh so yes the teacherage when I looked on

[0:39:47] Voice 6: the map i i realized it was in the community service uh zone and

[0:39:53] Voice 5: so obviously um you want

[0:39:55] Voice 5: to promote that um so that's actually a fairly good thing we've got a landing bylaw

[0:40:00] Voice 7: um

[0:40:01] Voice 5: project

[0:40:03] Voice 5: here so that's a fairly straightforward um site-specific um zone donnie to allow for that

[0:40:13] Voice 5: so just wanted to bring that to your attention and see if you have any

[0:40:16] Voice 5: concerns or comments

[0:40:18] Voice 5: related to that.

[0:40:19] Trustee Maude: So it's site specific or zone specific? Site

[0:40:21] Voice 5: specific for now. But as part of our

[0:40:24] Voice 6: housing project, we can

[0:40:28] Voice 6: expand that. And

[0:40:30] Voice 6: that's part of the list you've already got on

[0:40:32] Voice 6: there. Yeah. Yeah. So you're good with that for now? Yeah.

[0:40:36] Voice 6: Okay. Okay,

[0:40:39] Voice 5: so the lot coverage for the resource conservation

[0:40:42] Voice 5: zone. That's another one where there was some discussion about

[0:40:45] Voice 5: that piece and I was trying to think about

[0:40:48] Voice 6: maybe about limiting the actual size of a building but

[0:40:52] Voice 6: then there's like if you're putting in if you need to put in some kind of utilities or what

[0:41:03] Voice 6: have you like who never knows a bit that sort of thing so that's where I thought what I proposed

[0:41:08] Voice 6: for you is just reducing the overall lot coverage so that was something that hadn't

[0:41:16] Voice 6: uh the specific hasn't been discussed yet so okay yeah well

[0:41:21] Trustee Maude: my question the thing is

[0:41:24] Trustee Maude: resource conservation so it's supposed to be basically like land for preservation

[0:41:34] Trustee Maude: um so i really would like to see a limiting size because right now there's no limiting size

[0:41:40] Trustee Maude: on accessory buildings, and you know, if somebody has some fancy plan, they can put it in for

[0:41:49] Trustee Maude: a variance.

[0:41:51] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:41:52] Trustee Maude: Because realistically speaking, there's not really supposed to be anything on in-ranger

[0:41:57] Trustee Maude: concentrations.

[0:41:58] Voice 6: Right.

[0:41:59] Trustee Maude: It's not like you're going to have to put your tractor, your lawnmower inside because

[0:42:03] Trustee Maude: that's not what that's supposed to be for.

[0:42:05] Voice 6: It's supposed to be a no-go zone.

[0:42:07] Voice 6: i mean it could for example um i i believe that the resource conservation zone on here relates

[0:42:14] Voice 6: to a property uh that they have the i think john point was the concept yeah uh yes like currently

[0:42:24] Voice 6: so in that case sometimes they're they're i mean there is the need for any kind of equipment or

[0:42:32] Voice 6: of storage would would be just the basic looking after the property anywhere

[0:42:37] Trustee Maude: if you know it it's like it's it's a vertical yeah yes

[0:42:41] Voice 6: but

[0:42:42] Trustee Maude: also

[0:42:44] Voice 6: if somebody wants to feel something then you need a variance then that would be up to the

[0:42:48] Voice 6: trust committee of the day whether that's well and i would say in the case of st john's point

[0:42:52] Voice 6: i mean that's going to be a rezoning and so those specificities can be built into that is going to

[0:42:57] Voice 5: Yes,

[0:42:57] Voice 6: it's quite

[0:42:58] Voice 6: locked in. Yeah, so very much locked in.

[0:43:03] Voice 7: I

[0:43:03] Voice 6: kind of agree maximum structure size, or parking lot. I

[0:43:09] Voice 6: mean, we don't have the reality. Nobody has this zoning. We're

[0:43:17] Voice 6: going to have it at St. John point as a rezoning allows us to

[0:43:21] Voice 6: limit it. And that would be true in the future. Yeah. So that

[0:43:25] Voice 6: would give you the control over something because right

[0:43:27] Trustee Maude: now there's no limit on a size successfully

[0:43:30] Trustee Maude: you could so the place at st john's point you could build a walmart yeah

[0:43:33] Voice 6: well and just through

[0:43:34] Voice 6: the chair so we don't have um that zoning yet there and st john's point will be a site-specific

[0:43:42] Voice 6: zone within resource conservation so whatever is written into that this zone won't necessarily like

[0:43:49] Voice 6: say John's point is going to be very specific. So I think when

[0:43:53] Voice 6: you think about this piece, it's about, you know, if you have

[0:43:56] Voice 6: other, you know, over time, if there are a number of areas that

[0:44:01] Voice 6: are put under that designation, and in some cases, um, you know,

[0:44:05] Voice 6: I mean, yeah, I mean, what if it comes with something on it?

[0:44:10] Voice 7: Yeah, we're gonna take it down.

[0:44:13] Voice 6: But you've considered that during the resale? Yeah. And

[0:44:17] Voice 6: And that would be from another site specific.

[0:44:20] Voice 6: So

[0:44:20] Trustee Maude: I really like a number of units per feet,

[0:44:25] Trustee Maude: just to broadly narrow down the scope.

[0:44:31] Trustee Maude: Because I would be hard pressed to figure how somebody

[0:44:36] Trustee Maude: would look at a resource conservation zone and say,

[0:44:39] Trustee Maude: oh, we need to have a structure in there.

[0:44:41] Trustee Maude: I guess just because you don't need to store tools.

[0:44:45] Trustee Maude: you don't need to be it's supposed to be a preservation thing and then metamoriums could

[0:44:51] Trustee Maude: be applied we

[0:44:52] Voice 6: don't all know the potential uses of this and and why this comes to mind is because

[0:44:58] Voice 6: there are conversations about indigenous protected and conserved areas where so if a nation is

[0:45:04] Voice 6: interested in getting back land and they want the management of that there

[0:45:09] Voice 6: may be i mean would it be

[0:45:11] Voice 6: subject to our ocp in the end anyways i'm not sure but we don't know what those potential uses are i

[0:45:17] Voice 6: don't know keeping it at a max or a lot coverage and then refining it further through the rezoning

[0:45:24] Voice 6: i would think so i think i think we're fussing about everything we're not sure we sort of are

[0:45:31] Voice 6: to be honest um and putting uh putting a building um limitation is um technically more awkward than

[0:45:41] Voice 6: just limiting block coverage yeah okay

[0:45:43] Trustee Maude: theoretically

[0:45:45] Voice 6: all our zones like a rural zone

[0:45:48] Voice 6: with 20 percent log coverage could be a super duper mall yeah

[0:45:52] Voice 6: but that's just how land use

[0:45:55] Voice 6: is and then you get injured but

[0:45:57] Trustee Maude: if we go into

[0:45:57] Voice 6: development well

[0:45:59] Trustee Maude: my specific point though is

[0:46:00] Trustee Maude: that this is supposed to be conserved land and so when we get to lot coverage you can say 10

[0:46:05] Trustee Maude: percent walk coverage if you've got 65 acres it

[0:46:09] Voice 7: means

[0:46:10] Trustee Maude: you have six and six and a half acres

[0:46:12] Trustee Maude: of accessory buildings yeah and

[0:46:15] Trustee Maude: so lately so the thing these tend to be in typically speaking

[0:46:20] Trustee Maude: is they tend to be large pieces of property and that's why i sort of i thought i thought a square

[0:46:25] Trustee Maude: footage thing was was better than saying 0.0005 percent log coverage

[0:46:29] Voice 7: um

[0:46:30] Trustee Maude: and and again if something

[0:46:33] Trustee Maude: comes up the variance can be applied for right

[0:46:35] Voice 7: so

[0:46:37] Trustee Maude: i just i what what i guess when i started out with

[0:46:40] Trustee Maude: i was very uncomfortable that there was no limit it's an accessory building was a permitted use

[0:46:46] Trustee Maude: and there was no line put in the sand yeah

[0:46:48] Voice 7: so

[0:46:49] Trustee Maude: i wanted to sort of define it

[0:46:51] Voice 6: okay but

[0:46:53] Voice 6: how about one percent block i don't think that it's

[0:46:58] Trustee Maude: that still has a mask i think when you're

[0:47:01] Voice 6: finished with St. John Point and if it actually goes to the resource conservation zone and we

[0:47:06] Voice 6: actually look at how many square feet of structures they actually have to have on that that would be a

[0:47:11] Voice 6: good guideline to come back and look at this zone again and then put because right now if we said

[0:47:17] Voice 6: arbitrarily 100 square feet or 200 we that would be very arbitrary whereas at least we'll have an

[0:47:23] Voice 6: example when we're finished with St. John Point. So are we talking about pulling this out of the

[0:47:29] Voice 6: I don't know I think we should at least put the two percent a huge reduction from what's currently

[0:47:34] Voice 6: which is not that I don't think well if there's currently accessory dwellings allowed but there's

[0:47:41] Voice 7: no

[0:47:41] Voice 6: limit to them right

[0:47:42] Voice 7: and that's what

[0:47:43] Voice 6: you wanted to do was limit so should we just put in for now

[0:47:46] Voice 6: limit lot coverage to one percent so there at least is a limit one percent I

[0:47:51] Trustee Maude: guess but like

[0:47:52] Trustee Maude: how many square feet in an acre well so like what 42 000 square feet so one one percent is four

[0:48:01] Trustee Maude: yeah so when you when you get into when you get into a larger say you've got a 10 acre property

[0:48:08] Voice 7: you're

[0:48:09] Trustee Maude: saying accessibility would be 5 000 square feet i

[0:48:11] Voice 7: know so

[0:48:13] Trustee Maude: that's why i'm saying it's like

[0:48:14] Trustee Maude: it's one percent sounds like nothing but

[0:48:17] Trustee Maude: in the scheme of things it's actually quite large

[0:48:21] Voice 6: I mean it's sort of a potential future thing um and that's where if you were going to zone

[0:48:29] Voice 6: for resource conservation there would be opportunity to spot zone specifically because it might

[0:48:35] Voice 6: be a space but

[0:48:36] Trustee Maude: but but also the access to remove accessory buildings and superminitunes

[0:48:40] Trustee Maude: because they can't see the justification for having it

[0:48:48] Voice 7: it's

[0:48:52] Voice 6: well without having that zone

[0:48:57] Voice 6: yeah i've actually applied and to see what it's used for i don't know there's

[0:49:01] Trustee Maude: only one property

[0:49:01] Trustee Maude: on the island that's owned right now there's

[0:49:03] Voice 6: no property that's some research but

[0:49:06] Trustee Maude: trust

[0:49:07] Trustee Maude: conservancy property in the cordon bay road is there

[0:49:09] Trustee Maude: any

[0:49:12] Voice 6: signage or no

[0:49:13] Trustee Maude: because it's literally

[0:49:14] Trustee Maude: it was one of those limited it

[0:49:17] Trustee Maude: was gifted um but there's part of some division no

[0:49:21] Voice 6: tax write-up yeah

[0:49:34] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm a little stuck on this one. I do see the value in putting limits where there aren't any, but without sort of any analysis, it's hard to know what square footage would be an appropriate limit.

[0:49:51] Voice 6: I

[0:49:52] Voice 7: mean I don't know what to say yeah

[0:49:58] Trustee Maude: yeah no I just I just keep trying to map what the intent is

[0:50:02] Trustee Maude: yeah the intent is to preserve the property so

[0:50:05] Voice 6: it should just remove accessory dwellings from it and

[0:50:08] Voice 6: then they get added as a condition of rezoning if they need to or that's one final thought

[0:50:15] Voice 6: utility when a removed utility says is that what I'm doing like actually remove yeah because if

[0:50:21] Voice 6: we can't define it or say what it's going to be used for why have the use in there uh yeah i mean

[0:50:31] Voice 6: how

[0:50:32] Voice 7: does it really that

[0:50:33] Voice 6: because so right now it says permitted uses are the following uses

[0:50:37] Voice 6: are permitted so the following uses conservation areas and ecological reserves

[0:50:43] Voice 7: that's

[0:50:45] Voice 6: a b stairs

[0:50:46] Voice 6: Stairs, walkways, footbridges, fences, signs, and utility sheds.

[0:50:50] Voice 7: Oh, okay.

[0:50:56] Voice 6: Stairs, walkways, footbridges, fences, signs, and utility sheds.

[0:50:59] Voice 6: I mean, I can see you'd need fences if you're going to do an explosion for deer.

[0:51:04] Voice 6: You're trying to protect, you know, the ecology.

[0:51:09] Voice 6: What about, you know, if it's a partnership with the First Nation,

[0:51:14] Voice 6: and there's a workshop, and they're doing cultural demonstration

[0:51:18] Voice 6: demonstration of working with wood there like that's an appropriate use I would think but you

[0:51:23] Voice 6: need a shelter so having some kind of provision for uh I

[0:51:28] Trustee Maude: think that's when we're very interested

[0:51:32] Trustee Maude: it's sort of an unforeseen thing that the various can be applied for yeah

[0:51:40] Voice 7: because

[0:51:41] Trustee Maude: it's in the great

[0:51:42] Trustee Maude: houses it's so wide open it's you could drive 22 trucks through this environment well

[0:51:51] Voice 6: can we

[0:51:52] Voice 6: we limit utility shed to no more than 200 square feet and just you've got like that to me is a

[0:52:00] Voice 6: reasonable size for utility shed at least you're limiting the size of the shed we're not removing

[0:52:05] Voice 6: everything but i think the intent of the use is there in the description um do you feel comfortable

[0:52:14] Voice 6: putting out the limit i

[0:52:16] Voice 6: think we're just arguing about nothing i know resource conservation been

[0:52:20] Voice 6: there forever i think everybody has to resume to get there and that's when you decide how much they

[0:52:26] Voice 6: can do well with the current definition i think limiting the size of the utility shed actually

[0:52:31] Voice 6: makes the most sense i think a

[0:52:32] Voice 6: lot of coverage is is it's too generous it is too generous

[0:52:38] Voice 6: so can we change the limit the size of the shed to that moment okay to a maximum of

[0:52:45] Voice 6: mm-hmm 200 square feet yeah okay and do you want to do you want to continue with the five percent

[0:52:54] Voice 6: coverage or should it go down to two percent oh just take that out or just

[0:53:01] Trustee Maude: think about it

[0:53:02] Voice 6: because

[0:53:03] Trustee Maude: density should not be an issue in the conservation side

[0:53:08] Trustee Maude: you're

[0:53:09] Voice 6: talking about boardwalks and walkways people are not going to cover

[0:53:12] Voice 6: 20% of the property and fencing and boardwalks.

[0:53:18] Trustee Maude: Does density, does a boardwalk count as density?

[0:53:26] Voice 6: Structures, yes.

[0:53:27] Voice 6: Andersonville is full of boardwalks.

[0:53:29] Trustee Maude: But when somebody defines density,

[0:53:34] Voice 6: does

[0:53:35] Trustee Maude: a boardwalk sort of fall under that?

[0:53:36] Trustee Maude: Not

[0:53:36] Voice 6: a density, a structure.

[0:53:38] Trustee Maude: It's

[0:53:38] Voice 6: a structure, but it wouldn't be a density.

[0:53:39] Voice 6: Actually, in some cases, they're not structured.

[0:53:41] Voice 6: Oh, really?

[0:53:42] Voice 6: They're definitely structured.

[0:53:43] Voice 6: I shouldn't say I'm not a planner.

[0:53:45] Voice 6: Democracy

[0:53:46] Voice 3: is messy.

[0:53:47] Voice 6: It is.

[0:53:48] Voice 6: It's in the minutia.

[0:53:50] Voice 6: That's where we get

[0:53:51] Voice 7: in the minutia.

[0:53:52] Voice 6: What is the structure ?

[0:53:56] Voice 6: So what?

[0:53:59] Voice 6: Yeah, no RK means anything.

[0:54:02] Voice 6: Yeah, so they're considered structures.

[0:54:05] Voice 7: But

[0:54:05] Voice 6: then they wouldn't be considered structures.

[0:54:10] Trustee Maude: In my mind, I think of a density as a building.

[0:54:16] Voice 7: It's a very different definition

[0:54:18] Voice 6: depending on the LUG, actually.

[0:54:22] Voice 6: Not very, but it's not uncontrollable.

[0:54:27] Voice 6: So

[0:54:27] Trustee Maude: you're thinking just remove the density statement?

[0:54:31] Voice 6: What do you mean by density statement?

[0:54:34] Voice 6: Density is the maximum.

[0:54:35] Voice 7: I

[0:54:35] Voice 6: would remove that and put a limit

[0:54:39] Voice 6: to the size of the shed if that's the intent but it's not but the problem is that it doesn't cover

[0:54:43] Voice 6: all the bridges size utility shed stairs etc so

[0:54:49] Trustee Maude: but they don't count as density they don't count

[0:54:52] Voice 6: because that's really a lot of built structures yeah more so than any sheds but okay

[0:55:00] Voice 6: and science will counter structures well we may need to have a vote or think about this

[0:55:08] Voice 6: do you want to come back to it after well

[0:55:10] Trustee Maude: but if the planning chairman comes back with some

[0:55:12] Trustee Maude: so again

[0:55:14] Voice 6: i mean so the question right now is what what do you what do you feel comfortable

[0:55:19] Voice 6: putting in the viola that goes forward

[0:55:21] Voice 5: to referral right we can have some further discussion there's

[0:55:25] Voice 5: a couple of things i want to check out like can we actually remove the density statement from the

[0:55:30] Voice 5: from that question i'm

[0:55:31] Voice 6: not sure you may still have to have

[0:55:33] Voice 5: that there's a new statement in

[0:55:34] Voice 5: there, but I'm not quite sure about that one. So I'd like to

[0:55:36] Voice 5: check that out. Um, but so I

[0:55:39] Voice 6: think my question to you is, how

[0:55:41] Voice 6: would you like to leave it for when we put it up to referral?

[0:55:44] Voice 6: Do you want to? So we could leave it we could leave that the

[0:55:51] Voice 6: current we can we can definitely we put that maximum 200 square

[0:55:56] Voice 6: feet for each other, you said in there. I'll try and resolve the

[0:56:01] Voice 6: density question, whether we need to keep it in there or

[0:56:05] Voice 6: we can take it out if we have to keep something in there what do you want to be kept in there

[0:56:11] Voice 6: just for the referral and then again we can revisit it well the square

[0:56:15] Voice 6: feet would be four

[0:56:16] Voice 6: cents then the percentage and so what what your preference would be is if we're able to take the

[0:56:21] Voice 6: density um piece out all together i'll figure that out so

[0:56:26] Trustee Maude: we're basically we're expecting

[0:56:28] Trustee Maude: and staff investigate and

[0:56:30] Voice 6: then

[0:56:31] Trustee Maude: yeah so next next kick of the cat will well

[0:56:35] Voice 6: it'll be referred out

[0:56:36] Voice 6: actually we don't get another kick and then we get to hear what people here say so i think that's

[0:56:41] Voice 6: good limiting the actual building size but you're kind of right we're talking about an imaginary

[0:56:48] Voice 6: thing okay

[0:56:49] Voice 7: planning

[0:56:52] Voice 6: for the future that's that's that's fine yes i can certainly do that and then

[0:56:56] Voice 6: we can revisit but like i said it'll go up for referral um if i if if we need to keep a date

[0:57:02] Voice 6: density statement in there there'll be one but you can remove it or we can we can cut it down to zero

[0:57:08] Voice 6: if that's the way we need to deal with that statement okay but

[0:57:12] Trustee Maude: i think it's fair that you

[0:57:13] Trustee Maude: know this is what we're supposed to be doing it's looking towards the future

[0:57:16] Voice 6: absolutely not supposed

[0:57:17] Trustee Maude: to be reacting we're supposed to be setting a

[0:57:19] Voice 6: good reminder let's do that okay um excellent

[0:57:24] Voice 6: we good on that one now? super good. okay moving right along um okay so i will uh okay so now we

[0:57:36] Voice 6: are um the two conversations to be had are the setback from the c conversation and the contract

[0:57:41] Voice 6: so should we start with the setback in the c that's the first in the list here sure so

[0:57:51] Voice 7: 2.9 and

[0:57:58] Voice 6: Oh, there's another type. Don't want to see. Oh, yeah.

[0:58:03] Voice 6: You were doing a lot of work.

[0:58:06] Voice 6: I was really doing

[0:58:08] Voice 7: a lot of work. Yes.

[0:58:12] So

[0:58:14] Voice 6: how does this land for everybody after a discussion?

[0:58:21] Voice 6: They are.

[0:58:23] Voice 6: And the one that's on flat land, when we have overflow, we have to use the grass that's

[0:58:28] Voice 6: beside the flat land anyways in summer because it's dry.

[0:58:31] Voice 6: In the winter,

[0:58:32] Voice 6: it's not, it's in season, so I'm okay.

[0:58:38] Voice 7: Does

[0:58:38] Voice 6: 220 meter square feel adequate?

[0:58:41] Voice 6: but we did use the grass here that's for the picture okay yeah it's uh i'm i'm okay i think

[0:58:52] Voice 7: it's

[0:58:52] Voice 6: better to have wooden patios versus cement in the setback from the seat

[0:58:57] Trustee Maude: i still i still feel

[0:58:58] Trustee Maude: 200 that is very small is um part of part of the thing with with patios the plus

[0:59:08] Trustee Maude: grass is that it protects the natural environment. It's one of the arguments that we had recently

[0:59:17] Trustee Maude: about whether or not to allow stairs down to the sea or not. Stairs focus your activity

[0:59:24] Trustee Maude: and it basically protects everything else. The way I regard patios is this is sort of

[0:59:33] Trustee Maude: the human space right

[0:59:35] Voice 7: and

[0:59:35] Trustee Maude: if so if you're on the grass which hopefully there isn't any grass there

[0:59:40] Trustee Maude: because that's an invasive species they come and i'm talking about sport sure and i'm talking about

[0:59:44] Trustee Maude: somebody's backyard is that you know is that this is this is preservation and and honestly

[0:59:52] Trustee Maude: i respectfully you know tunic's going to be very very small you know

[1:00:01] Trustee Maude: what do you think like things they um trustee does talk about one of the biggest incidents

[1:00:07] Trustee Maude: like they're 550 square feet and if you look at it it's not large

[1:00:12] Trustee Maude: it's uh we're

[1:00:13] Voice 6: not encouraging people to build in this in the foreshore that's that's the whole

[1:00:16] Voice 6: point you don't want large structures like if you think about it it is public land and your

[1:00:22] Voice 6: folks are walking and that's no

[1:00:24] Trustee Maude: but it's not this is private land well and

[1:00:27] Trustee Maude: and it's not it's

[1:00:28] Trustee Maude: normally a high bank true not

[1:00:31] Trustee Maude: anybody's face type of thing

[1:00:32] Voice 6: okay and so

[1:00:35] Voice 6: you do you disagree on the

[1:00:37] Voice 6: the size

[1:00:37] Trustee Maude: besides i just i think we're very limiting because the waterfront properties

[1:00:42] Trustee Maude: tend to be quite large yeah um

[1:00:45] Trustee Maude: and you know when you have seven and a half acres

[1:00:48] Trustee Maude: and and you're saying to somebody your social space is going to be 200 square feet

[1:00:54] Voice 6: meters squared is not oh 200 square meters

[1:00:57] Trustee Maude: it's it's it's it's quite small but

[1:01:01] Voice 6: that is a luxury

[1:01:03] Voice 6: for a waterfront property owner to have that like they have the whole beach i mean to be able to

[1:01:09] Trustee Maude: build a

[1:01:10] Voice 6: big structure i don't know

[1:01:12] Trustee Maude: but i think when you have patios defined as being something

[1:01:15] Trustee Maude: something very low with no railings no steps no anything and and what I the way I spin is

[1:01:22] Trustee Maude: an inappropriate word the way I'm trying to sort of focus is that this is preserving all the other

[1:01:27] Trustee Maude: areas because it's saying look you have seven and a half acres here's my number 500 square feet

[1:01:34] Trustee Maude: where humans are allowed to occupy and play and the rest of the area is supposed to be preserved

[1:01:40] Trustee Maude: So

[1:01:42] Voice 6: how many, do you have a rough estimate how many decks are in existence that are 5 and 8 square feet?

[1:01:51] Trustee Maude: I don't think there's many that are under 500.

[1:01:55] Trustee Maude: Like when I go around Village Point, Dinner Bay, the people that have them, they tend to be of some size.

[1:02:05] Trustee Maude: I'm thinking like Village Point, I don't think there's a small one there.

[1:02:11] Voice 6: but we're talking patios, not talking decks.

[1:02:15] Trustee Maude: So for

[1:02:16] Voice 6: you to have a piece of property like

[1:02:17] Voice 6: Charmy would have where you can have a flat patio that's only, I can't remember if it's 12 inches

[1:02:23] Voice 6: or whatever, very few properties and within the setback of the seat. So that's... Well you know

[1:02:29] Voice 6: my position about building in the setback of the seat.

[1:02:32] Trustee Maude: But I think what we have done is the other

[1:02:36] Trustee Maude: other part where we said you can't have cement or asphalt and all that, which I feel is highly

[1:02:42] Trustee Maude: deleterious.

[1:02:43] Voice 6: Can we compromise? Can we

[1:02:45] Trustee Maude: do it to

[1:02:46] Voice 6: 30 meters squared? Okay. So can we do that?

[1:02:48] Voice 6: Oh, okay. Done. Okay.

[1:02:54] Voice 6: Democracy in action.

[1:02:57] Voice 7: Compromise in action.

[1:02:58] Voice 7: We did the math.

[1:03:12] Voice 6: Okay, so the

[1:03:19] Voice 5: outstanding one that we identified for conversation is the contractor yard so

[1:03:25] Voice 6: So that's where I saw your attention to the page, wait, where are we, page 19, yeah, so

[1:03:40] Voice 6: specifically 2.15, because that's where I have drafted some regulations based on the

[1:03:48] Voice 6: input um and so here with these um 2

[1:03:53] Voice 5: .515 so what we've done here is we the other related amendments

[1:03:59] Voice 5: are just um including contractor yards in as a home occupations yeah

[1:04:03] Voice 6: and

[1:04:04] Voice 5: so 2.15 provides the

[1:04:07] Voice 6: the specifics around uh around how um contractor yards could be operated as a home occupation

[1:04:15] Voice 6: Some of the considerations by the APC

[1:04:19] Voice 5: are integrated into the other regulations, like

[1:04:24] Voice 5: things like the owner must be on site, that's already a regulation that relates to home

[1:04:30] Voice 5: occupation.

[1:04:30] Voice 5: So there were a few home occupation regulations that were

[1:04:33] Voice 6: suggested by the APC that were already

[1:04:38] Voice 6: related, that were already integrated, so it makes sense.

[1:04:40] Voice 6: so the ones that were not already part of the existing regulation for home application are

[1:04:46] Voice 6: identified in a through e

[1:04:48] Voice 5: um and all right so i've made another mistake it would be a through f

[1:04:56] Voice 6: clearly i'm just working very fast on this

[1:05:02] Voice 6: um so i can i'll just go through those and we can have maybe some discussion

[1:05:06] Voice 6: Does that seem like a reasonable way?

[1:05:08] Voice 6: So these are

[1:05:10] Voice 5: the additional regulations, additional to the other home occupation regulations that

[1:05:16] Voice 5: would apply to contractor yards as a home occupation.

[1:05:20] Voice 5: So A, so this is, so there was an interest in identifying size of lots.

[1:05:27] Voice 5: So this is, again, I'm just putting it out there

[1:05:29] Voice 6: for conversation, the storage of maximum

[1:05:33] Voice 6: the maximum of one contractor vehicle is permitted on lots smaller than one hectare.

[1:05:41] Voice 6: What defines a contractor vehicle? Like a dump truck?

[1:05:45] Voice 6: Yeah. Yeah, so contractor yards. I also,

[1:05:48] Voice 5: there was a part of the including contractor yards was also expanding the definition.

[1:05:57] Voice 5: and uh so if you look at 2.3 um

[1:06:00] Voice 6: 2.3 section so the definition of contractor uh a contractor

[1:06:07] Voice 6: yard in the existing mean bylaw is quite restrictive yeah um to contract to i think

[1:06:13] Voice 6: vehicles for building construction or something like

[1:06:15] Voice 5: that related trades equipment of insurance

[1:06:18] Trustee Maude: related to the construction industry something

[1:06:20] Voice 5: yeah yeah so it's expanded and this is actually

[1:06:24] Voice 5: what like this is similar to the definition of other bylaws so it's designed to include landscaping

[1:06:29] Voice 5: and other trades and services so

[1:06:32] Voice 6: in a way some vehicles are maybe related to those yeah so but

[1:06:38] Voice 6: only one vehicle or smaller lots one hectare lots and then yeah

[1:06:43] Voice 6: yeah and i can let's go

[1:06:46] Voice 6: down to just we make that 0.5 of the 0.5 0.5 which would be because one hectare is 2.2 acres

[1:06:54] Voice 2: so 0.5 is just

[1:06:56] Voice 6: a little over an acre. The majority of our lots on Main Island are very tiny,

[1:07:00] Voice 6: and so here's the issue when you get a lot of small lots and contractors, yards are not ideal

[1:07:07] Voice 6: in the small subdivision areas. So

[1:07:09] Voice 5: does that mean, so the way that this is worded,

[1:07:13] Voice 5: all lots under one hectare would be permitted to have a one contractor vehicle?

[1:07:21] Trustee Maude: Yeah, and I think that's where I'm struggling with it.

[1:07:25] Voice 6: She's saying 0.5.

[1:07:27] Voice 6: 0.5 is just 1.8.

[1:07:29] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:07:29] Voice 6: so what you're suggesting is that if it goes above that, then they could have more.

[1:07:33] Voice 6: I would suggest that because, yeah.

[1:07:37] Trustee Maude: But so if we walk through this,

[1:07:40] Voice 6: one

[1:07:41] Trustee Maude: vehicle, if you're saying a landscaper, typically

[1:07:44] Trustee Maude: speaking, a landscaper's got like a pickup truck and a trailer.

[1:07:47] Voice 2: So

[1:07:48] Trustee Maude: does the trailer count as a vehicle?

[1:07:49] Trustee Maude: good

[1:07:50] Voice 2: question good question so

[1:07:53] Trustee Maude: that's that's my first thing but the other thing it says

[1:07:56] Trustee Maude: the total exterior area used for storage of vehicles equipment and materials may not exceed

[1:08:01] Trustee Maude: 19 to 20 pounds per feet that's

[1:08:05] Voice 7: a lot that's

[1:08:06] Trustee Maude: that's one vehicle

[1:08:07] Voice 6: like

[1:08:08] Trustee Maude: a typical car

[1:08:09] Voice 6: so that's

[1:08:11] Voice 6: me again throwing numbers in there right

[1:08:12] Trustee Maude: so these are so let's go

[1:08:13] Voice 6: so we go through them one by one

[1:08:15] Trustee Maude: So let's

[1:08:17] Voice 5: resolve A. So what I'm understanding is, yes, reduce the number of vehicles to

[1:08:25] Voice 5: one on the tiny lots, and then the other restrictions

[1:08:33] Voice 6: on whatever that would apply would just be

[1:08:36] Voice 6: related to lot coverage, etc.

[1:08:38] Voice 6: said yeah

[1:08:39] Trustee Maude: but as long as a vehicle is not a trailer because if a vehicle is a trailer

[1:08:44] Trustee Maude: most contractors have a trailer yeah

[1:08:46] Voice 6: i'll ask but i think that helps eliminate helps encourage

[1:08:54] Voice 6: actually contract insurance it almost certainly

[1:08:56] Voice 6: wouldn't be a trailer because a vehicle is

[1:08:58] Voice 6: something that can be like you can um the vehicle by itself yeah i i

[1:09:04] Trustee Maude: would think so but this is

[1:09:06] Voice 6: i'll double check for you okay so we're changing that to 0.5 hectare or one

[1:09:11] Voice 6: acre no vehicles maybe

[1:09:13] Voice 6: yeah screened is good okay

[1:09:18] Voice 5: so being no vehicles equipment or materials may be stored within

[1:09:21] Voice 5: setback area that makes sense yeah yep okay next one vehicles

[1:09:26] Voice 6: equipment and materials

[1:09:28] Voice 6: storage must be screened for residential

[1:09:30] Voice 5: use while

[1:09:31] Voice 6: enjoying lots by landscape screen oh blah blah

[1:09:34] Voice 6: law details yeah and the revision section 3.8 are specific to landscape landscape uh the screening

[1:09:41] Voice 6: um and so this is where the area used

[1:09:46] Voice 5: for so the the area used for the storage of vehicles

[1:09:50] Voice 5: equipment and materials in combination with all other buildings and structures may not exceed the

[1:09:55] Voice 5: maximum

[1:09:55] Voice 6: minute block so everything on the lot that's covering the lot can't exceed what's

[1:10:02] Voice 6: thing so okay

[1:10:03] Voice 7: so

[1:10:04] Voice 6: you can have a tiny house and bigger things for your

[1:10:07] Voice 7: um

[1:10:09] Voice 5: okay number and so e

[1:10:11] Voice 5: this is this is where there's a question about his size uh so the total exterior area used for

[1:10:17] Voice 5: storing the vehicles equipment materials may not

[1:10:19] Voice 6: exceed yeah

[1:10:21] Trustee Maude: so what what's reasonable if you think

[1:10:24] Trustee Maude: of a costco shelter

[1:10:25] Voice 7: that

[1:10:26] Trustee Maude: we all know that people have in the backyard that's 10 by 20. that's 200

[1:10:30] Trustee Maude: square feet so basically one vehicle is what we're saying the equivalent of space i think that's small

[1:10:36] Voice 6: so what about 500 does that encompass a vehicle and a trailer and maybe you know

[1:10:43] Trustee Maude: it's not that's not again we're going against my patio discussion but it does sound like a lot

[1:10:48] Trustee Maude: yeah but

[1:10:49] Voice 6: don't forget also that we're saying so if i have a tiny house and i don't have a carport

[1:10:54] Voice 6: but i've got 500 square feet so we're where we're winning is on the total lot coverage

[1:10:59] Voice 6: is still not going to exceed what somebody could have with the house

[1:11:02] Voice 7: so i

[1:11:03] Voice 6: think that captures the

[1:11:04] Voice 6: security so we say 500 but that's captured and protected so i think that yeah that that part's

[1:11:12] Voice 6: okay 10 by 50 is still it's pretty big

[1:11:14] Trustee Maude: yeah because i just think like what we're talking

[1:11:17] Trustee Maude: about right now is basically a dude with a pickup truck is accommodated in 200 square feet

[1:11:21] Trustee Maude: and most contractors have service like say if you're a plumber you're gonna have a few pipes

[1:11:25] Trustee Maude: you know a few this and do that i think that 200 is getting really really tight and especially if

[1:11:32] Trustee Maude: we talk about a trailer whatever yeah

[1:11:35] Voice 6: and there's there is nothing about enclosure of vehicles

[1:11:39] Voice 6: either does that matter i mean screaming's there but i just want to scream which is okay so it'll

[1:11:46] Voice 6: be a lot better than what you're looking at most of these lots

[1:11:48] Voice 6: or quarter acre lots yeah

[1:11:50] Trustee Maude: it's yeah

[1:11:52] Trustee Maude: i think like what we're doing we're dipping our our toes into waters that we haven't before because

[1:11:57] Trustee Maude: right now everybody's illegal right so

[1:12:00] Trustee Maude: we're trying to try to enable and trying to do it

[1:12:04] Trustee Maude: in some sort of common sense matter so like maybe 300 square feet yeah for

[1:12:09] Trustee Maude: the dip the toe on the

[1:12:10] Trustee Maude: water and then if we get pushed back 350.

[1:12:13] Voice 6: let's try 350. okay so i don't care because i agree

[1:12:18] Voice 6: 200 is a bit small 500 is a bit big i think a sweet spot yeah we'll see

[1:12:25] Voice 6: what kind of feedback

[1:12:25] Voice 6: we get it's great is that square

[1:12:28] Voice 6: feet or square meters um yes because some people will have a

[1:12:34] Voice 6: trailer a truck like maybe 110 truck and maybe a small little excavator bobcat yeah

[1:12:40] Voice 3: icbc is

[1:12:41] Voice 3: skating around identifying whether you uh utility or other trailers are considered vehicles they're

[1:12:49] Voice 3: telling you what you need to do to ensure them yeah but

[1:12:52] Voice 3: in the whole blurb on it they don't

[1:12:55] Voice 3: actually say it is considered a vehicle or not

[1:12:58] Voice 7: okay okay

[1:13:00] Voice 6: okay so okay we're good okay the last

[1:13:04] Voice 6: one and so this was something that i did stop added and this is just cut this this was coming

[1:13:12] Voice 6: This is just putting a time of operation on regulation in there, so it's a question for

[1:13:23] Voice 6: you what you want.

[1:13:24] Voice 7: For me, for

[1:13:29] Trustee Maude: me we're getting a little bit too tight, because the CERI noise

[1:13:34] Trustee Maude: by-law is a little bit more open, because they say if you're heading to the fairies,

[1:13:40] Trustee Maude: at least 7 in the morning.

[1:13:42] Trustee Maude: So you're saying the dude can't jump in his pickup truck

[1:13:44] Trustee Maude: and drive out of his yard with the trail with the Escamilla in the back

[1:13:47] Trustee Maude: and send him to Montferry?

[1:13:49] Trustee Maude: So what the exemption is

[1:13:51] Trustee Maude: on the CRD bylaw, which is probably

[1:13:53] Trustee Maude: reached somewhat similar to this,

[1:13:54] Trustee Maude: is it says, with the exception,

[1:13:57] Trustee Maude: or how is it?

[1:13:58] Trustee Maude: Something about the ferry.

[1:14:00] Voice 6: It's tied

[1:14:00] Voice 6: to the ferry.

[1:14:01] Voice 6: Mind you, this is not about people going to...

[1:14:04] Voice 6: It's being operated on,

[1:14:05] Voice 6: so I'm firing up my lawnmower

[1:14:08] Voice 6: and putting gas in it,

[1:14:09] Voice 6: getting ready to go to work so the reality is if you've got a noise bylaw complaint well crd deals

[1:14:16] Voice 6: with that i think i think it's a good fair guideline in terms of if you're living next

[1:14:20] Voice 6: door to somebody with a backhoe i mean they you know so in the summer they go to work earlier but

[1:14:26] Voice 6: i think it's a guideline um but if you have somebody who every morning at 6 30 a.m

[1:14:32] Voice 6: wants you know and this is for people in residence this is not people who are on the

[1:14:37] Voice 6: hundred acre lots so these

[1:14:39] Voice 6: are the residential people but you know we have one up the road here

[1:14:42] Voice 6: now that's a lot of the payment i i do like the restrictions of the bay to aid it's it's we're

[1:14:48] Voice 6: you know we're

[1:14:48] Voice 6: trying to limit industry to not be a generous thing and it's a home occupation yeah

[1:14:55] Voice 6: so if you want to have you know a bigger operation then you probably need to find a different spot

[1:15:01] Voice 7: And

[1:15:02] Trustee Maude: I think that's my only comment. I think this captures everything that we were looking

[1:15:07] Trustee Maude: for with the small stuff. But we haven't, the big stuff, I think we've left a big hole,

[1:15:16] Voice 6: which

[1:15:16] Trustee Maude: I don't know if we want to put some guidelines to the bigger stuff.

[1:15:23] Voice 4: what are you referring to well

[1:15:25] Trustee Maude: well because what we the original concept was when we brought up

[1:15:31] Trustee Maude: the table was we're saying something like contractor's yard would be appropriate for

[1:15:36] Trustee Maude: all properties five acres and over it was sort of so the dump truck guys the excavator guys

[1:15:41] Trustee Maude: are saying well it should be focused on a smaller lot then we

[1:15:44] Trustee Maude: kicked into the what the issue was

[1:15:46] Trustee Maude: well what about the plumber and the landscaper and all that and that's and that's where i think

[1:15:50] Trustee Maude: we've done really good on the small stuff

[1:15:52] Voice 7: but

[1:15:53] Trustee Maude: when we get to the bigger stuff um because we

[1:15:58] Trustee Maude: because we've talked about stories with uh we'll say half an acre a half a hectare and all that

[1:16:05] Voice 6: we're

[1:16:05] Trustee Maude: silent on the big on the big stuff no so

[1:16:08] Trustee Maude: then we have all of

[1:16:09] Voice 6: these apply to the big

[1:16:10] Voice 6: big properties no

[1:16:12] Trustee Maude: because because we said we um applied to country as a home occupation

[1:16:17] Trustee Maude: but we haven't so we've talked all about small we haven't talked about large no

[1:16:23] Voice 6: the a just applies

[1:16:25] Voice 6: to the properties that are one is limiting

[1:16:27] Voice 6: this applies to all the big properties too

[1:16:30] Voice 6: everything else is is applies to all properties with this home occupation no because because

[1:16:37] Trustee Maude: apply to corporate as a home occupation so are we so we're redefining the home occupation

[1:16:45] Trustee Maude: saying that a contractor's yard is permitted use.

[1:16:47] Trustee Maude: We're

[1:16:48] Voice 6: including contractors' yards as a permitted home occupation.

[1:16:52] Trustee Maude: So if I have 70 acres as a home occupation, cool.

[1:16:56] Voice 6: And you're only limited to the one vehicle.

[1:16:58] Voice 6: Yeah, there's nothing to do

[1:16:59] Voice 6: with the size except for A is limiting just to one vehicle or a small one.

[1:17:04] Voice 6: Right.

[1:17:05] Trustee Maude: So

[1:17:05] Voice 6: is that what you mean by big stuff? Big properties.

[1:17:08] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:17:09] Trustee Maude: but I sort of, so now I sort of emerged into where I sort of started, because I was

[1:17:15] Trustee Maude: saying something like five acres would be

[1:17:17] Trustee Maude: the line of sand.

[1:17:18] Trustee Maude: We're now saying like one acres of land is the line of sand.

[1:17:21] Voice 6: No, it's just for one street.

[1:17:23] Voice 6: But

[1:17:23] Trustee Maude: I'm saying, okay, I have 1.1 acres.

[1:17:27] Trustee Maude: We're saying I can have 22 dump trucks there.

[1:17:30] Voice 6: Well no, because we've limited it, don't forget, we've limited it

[1:17:33] Voice 6: to 350 square feet, and we've

[1:17:37] Voice 6: limited by lot coverage so

[1:17:41] Trustee Maude: we can't do that why

[1:17:42] Voice 3: not well

[1:17:43] Trustee Maude: how many trucks does john have oh let's

[1:17:46] Voice 3: not but no but i'm just

[1:17:47] Trustee Maude: saying no but i'm saying too many yeah

[1:17:50] Trustee Maude: yeah but i'm thinking like all our

[1:17:52] Trustee Maude: major is that all our major contractors like everybody's going to dump trucks

[1:17:57] Voice 7: they're

[1:17:58] Trustee Maude: occupying more than 350 square feet like we're talking like half an acre like we're talking

[1:18:05] Trustee Maude: often guys with 10 or 12 vehicles that's

[1:18:08] Voice 6: why this is going out for referral okay so then if we get

[1:18:11] Voice 6: pushback from what are the agencies that it would go out to who could give us because it's not going

[1:18:16] Voice 6: to public hearing no

[1:18:17] Trustee Maude: i'm worried about people like i'm worried

[1:18:20] Trustee Maude: about like like the contractor

[1:18:23] Trustee Maude: who right now has got three dump trucks um excavators and all that and we're saying 350

[1:18:30] Trustee Maude: 50 square feet it's the maximum coverage

[1:18:32] Voice 6: well then in that set in that section then you should

[1:18:35] Voice 6: say for properties under

[1:18:37] Trustee Maude: yeah that was best where

[1:18:39] Voice 6: it was this came from the apc and they spent two

[1:18:43] Voice 6: hours and they never got into the details of the

[1:18:46] Voice 6: figure so you could add in for properties over

[1:18:48] Voice 6: whatever five acres um there's no limit on or you could just stick with the um a lot coverage

[1:18:55] Voice 6: medical insurance is very generous in rural zones anyways on the 20 percent more coverage

[1:19:01] Voice 6: if you wanted to

[1:19:02] Trustee Maude: yeah i didn't but that's just i was i just worried that we we didn't really

[1:19:06] Trustee Maude: address the big

[1:19:07] Voice 6: stuff well no well the apc didn't it was sent back to them so what if this total

[1:19:12] Voice 6: exterior area is limited to just like a two properties under five acres so that the total

[1:19:21] The total

[1:19:21] Voice 6: exterior area for storage and vehicles equipment and materials may not exceed 350 square feet on lots of smaller than 5 hectares, and then the other larger lots are all going to be limited by the totals or

[1:19:40] Voice 5: is

[1:19:41] Voice 6: it 5 or is it more like

[1:19:42] Voice 6: 5 or

[1:19:43] Voice 6: or what do you think for the exterior should be for the limitation of size of um she said

[1:19:52] Voice 6: 1.1 acre is 0.5 of a hectare yeah

[1:19:55] Voice 7: that's

[1:19:56] Voice 6: the small lot size kind of average

[1:20:06] Trustee Maude: yeah this is my concern is i just want to accommodate the big guys on big lots

[1:20:11] Trustee Maude: that's and right now we haven't

[1:20:14] Voice 6: really done that maybe true

[1:20:19] Voice 6: yeah i mean like an acre of stuff because then you get into they're storing materials

[1:20:25] Voice 6: are they storing fill are they storing gravel and pipes and it just becomes

[1:20:31] Voice 6: but

[1:20:32] Trustee Maude: that's where it's at the five acre thing is saying about a larger lot

[1:20:34] Trustee Maude: we're pretty old under

[1:20:37] Voice 6: two hectares two hectares

[1:20:39] Voice 6: is well for lots for lots over two hectares the 350 square feet should not go so so you want 300

[1:20:53] Voice 6: square feet lots under two hectares yes yes and then you just want the the total maximum floor

[1:21:01] Voice 6: area to apply

[1:21:02] Voice 5: yeah to that yeah okay

[1:21:05] Voice 6: yeah that's it you know for lots up to was it two two yeah

[1:21:09] Voice 6: 350 square feet would be locked up there are lots of them okay are you happy with that yeah

[1:21:17] Trustee Maude: but i think that's where we're now sort of okay we've encompassed everybody that's really thought

[1:21:22] Voice 6: with the small medium and large perfect well the biggest concern always has not been with

[1:21:27] Voice 6: the big lots because no one's going to see them they're always being with the living room so i

[1:21:31] Voice 6: personally got this one okay i'm a big fan i wish we had a few

[1:21:36] Voice 6: well as long as there's going to be housing we'll have to have dump trucks

[1:21:41] Voice 6: and what's in topsoil for gardens that's some venti gardens

[1:21:46] Voice 6: all right so are we happy with the contractor yours yes

[1:21:58] Voice 6: There are boats and trailers is fine, music fest, setbacks,

[1:22:02] Voice 6: thrift store, we've got everything.

[1:22:05] Trustee Maude: So with the Derelict vehicles, we've added boats and trailers.

[1:22:12] Trustee Maude: Yes.

[1:22:13] Trustee Maude: We haven't really defined the boats and trailers.

[1:22:16] Voice 6: Well, those are the

[1:22:17] Voice 6: basic definitions, right?

[1:22:18] Voice 6: So, I

[1:22:19] Voice 6: mean, like, if we want to define them in a different way

[1:22:24] Voice 6: that they would otherwise be defined by the dictionary,

[1:22:26] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:22:28] Voice 6: So

[1:22:29] Voice 7: it should be fine.

[1:22:29] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:22:30] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:22:37] Voice 7: And

[1:22:38] Trustee Maude: Dom, question.

[1:22:40] Trustee Maude: But referrals means internal to is like, so this will go to Nick for his comment to make

[1:22:48] Trustee Maude: sure that everything we're

[1:22:48] Trustee Maude: doing is enforceable or he might add wording.

[1:22:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:22:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:22:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:22:53] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:22:53] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:22:55] Trustee Maude: Great.

[1:23:02] Voice 6: Is there anything else that needed?

[1:23:05] Voice 6: to add

[1:23:06] Voice 5: in the motions.

[1:23:07] Voice 6: All right. So I would

[1:23:09] Voice 6: just add to the motion number two at the end or as discussed. Okay, as discussed. To include to include changes as discussed. Oh, okay. As discussed at the meeting.

[1:23:25] Voice 6: changes as discussed okay well i'll do it i'll move that pursuant to local government act s

[1:23:33] Voice 6: 464 in brackets two that the main island local trust committee resolves in another public hearing

[1:23:41] Voice 6: for bylaw number 193 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number 1

[1:23:51] Voice 6: 2023 and that staff give notice of first meeting in accordance with the s

[1:23:57] Voice 6: 467 of the local government second second if i trust you on did we need to add the as discussed

[1:24:04] Voice 6: any more discussion on the motion all for both all those in favor that is carried okay i will move

[1:24:17] Voice 6: move that the main local trust committee request staff to send referrals related to bylaw number

[1:24:22] Voice 6: 193 that it is made island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number 1 2023 to all relevant

[1:24:31] Voice 6: agencies and personations as discussed with changes with changes as discussed perfect

[1:24:39] Voice 6: seconded by trustee maude any further discussion i'll call for the vote all those in favor

[1:24:45] Voice 6: and that is carried excellent work this is a great illuminating forward listen

[1:24:53] Voice 6: trying to project uh potential uses in a lot or a zone that's not

[1:25:01] Voice 6: in

[1:25:02] Voice 3: use yet

[1:25:03] Voice 6: and sizes for contractors the thing that hits me most as just a public person

[1:25:10] Voice 3: is

[1:25:11] Voice 6: that take your comments now but knowing that you have to run yes you

[1:25:16] Voice 3: guys work harder to

[1:25:18] Voice 3: facilitate things than to deny them and that's really impressive i just think that's neat thank

[1:25:25] Voice 3: you for that observation it's

[1:25:27] Voice 6: nice to have you here today thank you

[1:25:29] Voice 3: i'm going to talk about

[1:25:31] Voice 6: housing housing options oh is that what the next one yeah

[1:25:42] Voice 6: okay let's move on to our second staff report on page 24 regarding the housing options phase

[1:25:51] Voice 6: two initiation this is great we're in a new fiscal year in about five days and we have approval for

[1:26:00] Voice 6: Yeah, so I mean, in terms of a riveting conversation, it may not be as exciting as it will be in the near future.

[1:26:12] Voice 6: So at this point, this is where we start to get back

[1:26:15] Voice 5: into this project.

[1:26:17] Voice 5: so we did phase one

[1:26:18] Voice 7: um

[1:26:19] Voice 5: and phase during phase one of uh main island housing project um the ltc um

[1:26:27] Voice 5: did a number of things engaged public in water districts and discussing housing options designed

[1:26:34] Voice 5: and implemented implemented flex housing pilot project um contributed to the and this i think

[1:26:41] Voice 5: this is quite significant contributed to the design of the island's best suitable land analysis tool

[1:26:47] Voice 5: Because we actually used some analysis to determine where the flex housing pilot should be located.

[1:26:54] Voice 5: And so that actually contributed to refining that type

[1:27:00] Voice 6: of analysis, which brings together all the information we've got on the ecosystems and that sort of thing into a single map to be able to make some data

[1:27:14] Voice 6: data informed decisions um

[1:27:18] Voice 5: we engaged we engaged Habitat for Humanity and they are

[1:27:26] Voice 6: quite keen to

[1:27:26] Voice 6: work with our this community um we need to pick up that conversation because we haven't had um

[1:27:32] Voice 6: um which follow up since um since the conclusion of uh since early of early last year um main

[1:27:42] Voice 6: island has a uh housing action plan that's identified options for moving forward with

[1:27:49] Voice 6: um and

[1:27:51] Voice 5: there was an application to cmhc accelerator funding in collaboration with the crd

[1:27:56] Voice 5: which unfortunately was not supported but the value of that whole process was that

[1:28:01] Voice 5: it actually contributed

[1:28:04] Voice 6: to the CID developing a program to propose to their leadership the staff

[1:28:13] Voice 6: were if the funding had flooded in it probably would have accelerated the ability to focus on

[1:28:22] Voice 6: supporting essentially it was very much focused on a subsidy program for additional dwelling

[1:28:33] Voice 6: Yes, and that's coming in now and also to, and also providing funding to, for, provide

[1:28:39] Voice 6: services for nonprofits to provide services for putting in to be able to access funding

[1:28:46] Voice 6: for septic etc. So those are the elements that were sort of put into that plan and it's

[1:28:53] Voice 6: so all that to say it's not dead, that we didn't get the funding it's it's there it's

[1:28:57] Voice 6: written down it's a plan and um as you know we've got um we've got justine stark who's a very strong

[1:29:03] Voice 6: advocate for the islands um helping to further discussion on on on that sort of thing how the

[1:29:10] Voice 6: agreements um is also a part of that how does the agreements score um for single lots not more like

[1:29:18] Voice 6: right now

[1:29:19] Voice 5: you have a

[1:29:19] Voice 6: multi-family and that's administratively challenging

[1:29:22] Voice 6: challenging um for the island's trust uh so so that's being explored at the CRD level right now

[1:29:29] Voice 6: to see if if that's a if that could potentially be a function for um their rural housing program

[1:29:34] Voice 6: right um I'm not sure where that discussion is I just know that that's that was all part of the

[1:29:39] Voice 6: um proposal that was put

[1:29:41] Voice 6: forward so um so yeah more to more to come on that but um also the the

[1:29:47] Voice 5: the value of that whole process and the value of Maine essentially being like the first out of the

[1:29:53] Voice 5: gate on really addressing the howling starting, you know, four years ago

[1:29:57] Voice 6: essentially, is that

[1:30:00] Voice 6: You know, we now have the advantage of the CRD seeing if a program evolves, Maine's got that relationship,

[1:30:08] Voice 6: and Maine is in the best position to be a pilot of some kind of program like that.

[1:30:15] Voice 7: So

[1:30:16] Voice 6: may I ask a question? Are you going to use the rural housing strategy to sort of say here's the target areas because they might have a funding stream or some want, you know, wish to, depending on the CRD strategy, I've looked at the rural housing strategy, but to see how Maine fits into it.

[1:30:35] Voice 6: it yeah that's what we've been looking at that's how

[1:30:37] Voice 6: that's how the the application

[1:30:39] Voice 5: to see me too

[1:30:40] Voice 5: was crafted was was basically looking at what do we need to do on the land use side yeah to support

[1:30:46] Voice 5: what it what what is being advocated for in the rural housing strategy for specifically the

[1:30:51] Voice 5: housing strategy for southern gulf islands right and a big part

[1:30:55] Voice 6: of that is looking at the support

[1:30:57] Voice 6: of additional dwelling units and how to make those and you know and housing agreements to make those

[1:31:02] Voice 6: affordable but first of all okay the

[1:31:04] Voice 6: zoning needs to support that piece you know and

[1:31:07] Voice 6: also like i

[1:31:08] Voice 6: said there's also that other element of supporting um uh the multi-family projects going forward so

[1:31:14] Voice 6: but i mean the zoning the zoning on the on an island it needs to be able to support

[1:31:18] Voice 6: those options that the community may be looking at um and that's where that's where the um uh you

[1:31:26] Voice 6: know the the

[1:31:26] Voice 5: next phase of this housing project um comes in because that's the opportunity for

[1:31:32] Voice 5: for um for main island to potentially expand the flexible housing project so right now i've

[1:31:38] Voice 5: you know concentrated in a pilot area and um you know there's been questions about what kind of

[1:31:43] Voice 5: uptake there's been on that so i mean that's only been in place for about a year now and then if you

[1:31:48] Voice 5: think about how long it takes for somebody to think about whether they want to invest in

[1:31:53] Voice 5: moving forward i i can say that i have had a few calls and um jillian who's our planning tech right

[1:32:00] Voice 6: now was going to do a bit of an analysis she thinks she may have there may be a couple of um

[1:32:06] Voice 6: building current uh reviews that she's done may have um be supporting that that but she's

[1:32:13] Voice 6: needs a couple seconds so um so it it's you know it's one of those things where um if you don't

[1:32:22] Voice 6: have the zoning there's no opportunity if the building there's any opportunity when the

[1:32:27] Voice 6: opportunity comes so well just i was wondering so if we could like we've created the flex

[1:32:33] Voice 6: opportunity for a certain area so is it possible because we have that that crd at some point would

[1:32:40] Voice 6: offer financial assistance for the like they did like the province did for secondary suites

[1:32:45] Voice 6: that we actually could go after funding agencies on behalf of community and come back and say if

[1:32:52] Voice 6: you really are interested can't afford it here's the link to a grant that would cover some of your

[1:32:57] Voice 6: cost that was

[1:32:58] Voice 6: that's the kind of thing yeah

[1:32:59] Voice 5: and then again if

[1:33:00] Voice 5: we had gotten the smhc funding that

[1:33:03] Voice 5: would that would have been the money that would have helped and and like that that in addition to

[1:33:10] Voice 6: the the province's um for the loan program for secondary

[1:33:14] Voice 6: suits yeah so that would have been

[1:33:16] Voice 6: like you know that's what we were hoping for but again but we're getting

[1:33:20] Voice 6: there i mean the view

[1:33:21] Voice 6: all

[1:33:22] Voice 5: is not lost

[1:33:23] Voice 6: because like the

[1:33:23] Voice 5: thinking the thinking that went

[1:33:25] Voice 6: through developing that

[1:33:28] Voice 6: proposal essentially we created a program together yeah so that's um that's that's all there but um

[1:33:34] Voice 6: and this is going to reflect on when you think about like felix jack road which was subdivided

[1:33:39] Voice 6: 25 years ago the development in the islands is very slow like each

[1:33:44] Voice 6: lot getting developed

[1:33:45] Voice 6: still hasn't happened so all of what we're doing we may not see it in the next few years but

[1:33:50] Voice 6: 10 years 20 years from now I think that we will see where it worked and

[1:33:55] Voice 1: how we were able to

[1:33:56] Voice 6: facilitate more housing happening that's right yeah but it's a very slow process

[1:34:01] Voice 6: yeah

[1:34:02] Voice 5: exactly yeah and that's it so I think what you'll be looking at with this um next phase is

[1:34:09] Voice 5: and you know

[1:34:10] Voice 6: the things that we've talked about are looking at you know having a conversation

[1:34:13] Voice 6: with the water districts around secondary suites yeah the very first step right yeah

[1:34:20] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:34:20] Voice 6: Yeah. And then there's also the further conversation around the flexible housing.

[1:34:27] Voice 6: I mean, and also the LTC could just go ahead and do it and change the zoning.

[1:34:32] Voice 6: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe in the ones where there aren't leaks, but, you know, I mean, but that's what we can discuss as we move forward.

[1:34:41] Voice 6: and so um well it's applicable to new housing which has a lot of built-in water saving a lot

[1:34:47] Voice 6: of built-in rainwater built-in mechanisms when you

[1:34:51] Voice 6: do that i think that's also important to

[1:34:53] Voice 6: do yes the rainwater and that's something with system uh requirements for these builds that's

[1:34:58] Voice 6: something that uh that can be that we've got in the list of options and so when i come back um

[1:35:03] Voice 6: with the project charter, I'll also bring back the action plan. And that'll remind you of the

[1:35:13] Voice 6: things that you spoke of, we had some conversation about before. And I think

[1:35:17] Voice 5: I'd like to invite you

[1:35:20] Voice 5: that if there are things that are top of

[1:35:22] Voice 6: mind for you right now, you know, I can keep those

[1:35:26] Voice 6: those in mind, as I sort of review what we've already, what

[1:35:31] Voice 6: we've already had some discussion about.

[1:35:33] Voice 6: Right. And we know we have properties that specific areas

[1:35:36] Voice 6: we could target for something even over the beyond flex

[1:35:40] Voice 6: housing.

[1:35:41] Voice 6: Yeah. So there's the conversation about rezoning to

[1:35:43] Voice 6: allow subdivision, because

[1:35:44] Voice 2: we don't have

[1:35:45] Voice 6: a donation of land

[1:35:46] Voice 6: for to a nonprofit. Yeah.

[1:35:51] Voice 5: So are there any things that come to

[1:35:53] Voice 5: your mind that you, you know, particularly, particularly, like

[1:35:57] Voice 6: at this point want to see some priority focused on the aging and place piece i wonder how like

[1:36:08] Voice 6: what's more critical for your computer for your community is it um obviously for young people it's

[1:36:13] Voice 6: housing for young people because that will help elderly people stay in place but what's that what

[1:36:17] Voice 6: i'm i'm

[1:36:18] Voice 1: just reading exactly

[1:36:19] Voice 6: so the

[1:36:21] Voice 6: the complement of aging in place is that many seniors could use

[1:36:26] Voice 6: additional help on their land would benefit from having others living close to them but lower

[1:36:30] Voice 6: income seniors may own their house and land but they don't have the equity to build that cottage

[1:36:35] Voice 6: so what about a targeted program that was specific to help seniors navigate

[1:36:42] Voice 6: with a housing agreement that because i don't know if a lot of them would have the capacity

[1:36:47] Voice 6: to like apply for this forgivable loan and then manage a building project like that's not domestic

[1:36:52] Voice 6: it but if there was a secondary or accessory dwelling that they could build next to their

[1:36:59] Voice 6: home and we could have a program and a relationship with bc housing saying this specific program would

[1:37:04] Voice 6: allow 20 um you know associate care like a person could live there and provide for my

[1:37:14] Voice 6: would that help we would have a very small number of population that would do that really

[1:37:19] Voice 6: in terms of the services um i think more that we need to target abilities for families to jointly

[1:37:32] Voice 6: as our flex housing allows to jointly own property as a group and live here because those are the

[1:37:38] Voice 6: people the service providers okay um

[1:37:41] Voice 6: the concept of certainly the elderly i don't know how many

[1:37:43] Voice 6: people who are talking elderly people would really at this point on living here with the

[1:37:49] Voice 6: lack of long-term care facilities i think that that would be a lot but and if you've been through

[1:37:56] Voice 6: this before when we years ago talked about ocean with being independent living the fact is by the

[1:38:01] Voice 6: time people reach that point of needing that kind of care they're they're here for a short period

[1:38:06] Voice 6: of time so for me as a frail elderly whatever 80 by 90 year old to enter into a project of building

[1:38:13] Voice 6: something to have a caregiver um that could take two years and by the time that kind of happens i

[1:38:20] Voice 6: think that that would be um not productive um and then and then retrofitting the homes that

[1:38:28] Voice 6: people already have and i remember stella robinson yeah yep um that uh you know some people have done

[1:38:37] Voice 6: that and i certainly think if there's a fund that they can apply to to get that but the idea that

[1:38:42] Voice 6: someone's going to suddenly add a garden suite to their house you know i don't know i mean it's

[1:38:47] Voice 6: it's worth it there's funding out there i guess but it's it's the navigating the funding and

[1:38:53] Voice 6: other project management that i don't think any senior would be able to do and i'm sorry we will

[1:38:59] Voice 6: take cats from the town yeah sorry yeah um yeah so this

[1:39:05] Voice 6: is this is where um so the focus of

[1:39:10] Voice 6: LTC projects is the land use piece and this is where the action plan is is a good thing to have.

[1:39:17] Voice 5: Oh yeah, the action plan.

[1:39:18] Voice 5: That's where you can

[1:39:18] Voice 6: identify these other things

[1:39:20] Voice 6: that um that are not necessarily the LTC's responsibility but you know need to be

[1:39:29] Voice 6: not need shouldn't be lost because of this environment that we live in we need to start

[1:39:34] Voice 6: to think about we need to be we need to integrate thinking about all of those other supports that

[1:39:40] Voice 6: are necessary within the community um but i would say that like what you need to be focusing on

[1:39:47] Voice 6: is providing that potential and opportunity for the for um for that whatever it might be

[1:39:56] Voice 6: i just don't think that if that whatever works for your community you open as many doors yeah

[1:40:01] Voice 6: yeah just like the tea tree right so we've talked about that and your question was a good one um

[1:40:05] Voice 6: um trustee maude about is it only only that one that and i

[1:40:12] Voice 6: say well clearly there's an opportunity

[1:40:15] Voice 6: here um and you want to create that opportunity by allowing that use and then if this wonderful

[1:40:22] Voice 6: wonderful path that got that project going can get another one going on uh on um school on the

[1:40:31] Voice 6: or community properties the the land that single boards land absolutely fantastic and that's what

[1:40:37] Voice 6: we need to be thinking about and maybe there's opportunities on other sort of community service

[1:40:41] Voice 6: lands for example like you know building above the fire hall or you know

[1:40:47] Voice 6: or turning that into

[1:40:48] Voice 6: from it whatever those are the kinds of things that that where there is the potential for um

[1:40:55] Voice 6: whatever options and whatever motivates the community to take action and and be able to

[1:41:02] Voice 6: work together to create some of these so what in terms of zoning and what in terms of types of

[1:41:08] Voice 6: dwelling uh to

[1:41:09] Voice 5: me those that's what it is yeah

[1:41:11] Voice 6: those are the two pieces that need to be addressed

[1:41:14] Voice 6: Where is the more flexibility in zoning, so working with the water districts to, you know, consider what would it take to add dwelling units, but then the piece that I see everywhere is enabling alternative housing types.

[1:41:31] Voice 6: And so that's that's an advocacy piece.

[1:41:34] Voice 6: We already have those, we already have types of these everywhere.

[1:41:37] Voice 6: But to have it formalized so people aren't living in fear.

[1:41:41] Voice 6: I don't think they're living for the ones that live in tiny homes if they're booked

[1:41:47] Voice 6: up to any but you're right

[1:41:49] Voice 6: the other thing is right I mean I still understand yeah it's

[1:41:52] Voice 6: a standing role of resolution not to enforce on on housing so um I mean there's obviously

[1:41:58] Voice 6: there's some other things at different levels that need to be sorted yeah um

[1:42:02] Voice 6: specifically

[1:42:03] Voice 6: around but the

[1:42:04] Voice 6: retrofitting of dwellings that are to code I've always thought that that

[1:42:09] Voice 6: it'd be such a wonderful program with like sort of a you know an

[1:42:13] Voice 6: assessor that can come in and say

[1:42:15] Voice 6: but don't forget most of ours are built in smaller rock yeah

[1:42:18] Voice 6: so it's not like yes but but anyways i

[1:42:21] Voice 6: think all right you do is you say within within the area these are the permitted uses which is

[1:42:26] Voice 6: secondary suites or garden suites or duplex or fourplex or maybe

[1:42:30] Voice 6: even a small apartment building

[1:42:31] Voice 6: depending on the

[1:42:32] Voice 6: size of property that's what the original housing and streets committee was about

[1:42:36] Voice 6: was about opening all the different options that are up and in terms of tiny homes whether it's on

[1:42:42] Voice 6: wheels or just on the ground I mean people do have very small homes too but you don't have those

[1:42:47] Voice 6: worked into your OCP yet as like when I looked at the housing toolkit and different options for

[1:42:52] Voice 6: alternative dwellings that do

[1:42:54] Voice 6: not meet the building inspectors you know provisos or BC

[1:43:00] Voice 6: building code because that's not in your OCP we're just kind of looking the other way

[1:43:05] Voice 7: and that's it

[1:43:06] Voice 6: It is actually creating, it's maybe not on this island, but

[1:43:09] Voice 7: it's creating a

[1:43:09] Voice 6: problem where how are we going to address this in five years?

[1:43:14] Voice 7: We've had

[1:43:14] Voice 6: people living in their trailers for five years.

[1:43:17] Voice 7: I know.

[1:43:18] Voice 7: And

[1:43:18] Voice 6: CRD would like us to take that right away, but we've always had that in our OCP.

[1:43:22] Voice 6: We've always allowed people to live in their RVs.

[1:43:24] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:43:25] Trustee Maude: And

[1:43:26] Voice 6: now they live in trailers.

[1:43:28] Trustee Maude: No, but my concern is not unlike other things we're discussing about, is that we should

[1:43:34] Trustee Maude: be planning for the future.

[1:43:37] Trustee Maude: I think on Denman, housing is done through an application for TUP,

[1:43:46] Voice 7: and

[1:43:48] Trustee Maude: then going, that

[1:43:49] Trustee Maude: provides no stability.

[1:43:50] Trustee Maude: Do not enforce, it's the same thing, because you know, somebody can come along and just

[1:43:56] Trustee Maude: put their hand in the air and say okay now we're going to start forcing on trails

[1:43:59] Trustee Maude: and like we're talking dozens and dozens and dozens of homes that is are in jeopardy we're

[1:44:07] Trustee Maude: not providing a stable environment that basically looks towards the future thank

[1:44:13] Voice 6: you for saying that

[1:44:13] Voice 6: because it is a problem and we're not by not addressing it now we're just pushing it further

[1:44:19] Voice 6: down the line when the yeah the the environment may not be favorable or there's another crisis

[1:44:25] Voice 6: is you know and then people are like that's it get rid of all the trailers then where do those

[1:44:29] Voice 6: people go because

[1:44:30] Trustee Maude: the reality is is that if

[1:44:32] Trustee Maude: you want to have a home now in in what we think of

[1:44:37] Trustee Maude: being a conventional home that is a vast expense that is out of the reach of almost anybody

[1:44:42] Trustee Maude: and so embracing the martial homes the the tiny homes and sometimes the the trailers

[1:44:50] Trustee Maude: and saying, well, your home is your home

[1:44:53] Trustee Maude: and we're not going to take it away from you.

[1:44:55] Trustee Maude: I think that's the goal.

[1:44:56] Voice 6: But that's the piece that has to be worked on with the CRD

[1:45:00] Voice 6: because it's the certification and the defining,

[1:45:04] Voice 6: getting closer to a definition or a flexible definition of

[1:45:07] Voice 6: is it small, movable dwelling under X amount of square feet

[1:45:12] Voice 6: where the BC building code has exemptions to this, right?

[1:45:16] Voice 6: So that because building inspectors will not move

[1:45:19] Voice 6: move from their their regulatory boxes you can't get that and so we're just we're working at odds

[1:45:25] Voice 6: unless there's some agreement on what do these what are we permitting as alternative wellings

[1:45:31] Trustee Maude: I think agreement is coming though because um the alternate security director Rob this is his pet

[1:45:37] Trustee Maude: project but

[1:45:38] Voice 6: it's specifically recreational vehicles as this is an interim emergency solution

[1:45:43] Voice 6: because people are already living in them this is not a long-term livable solution because I'll say

[1:45:48] Voice 6: there's not alignment from the CRD and us because recreational vehicles should have a roof over

[1:45:55] Voice 6: them they're subject to mold and if it has a roof over it then they don't consider it like well

[1:46:00] Trustee Maude: that's the one thing that really annoys me you know if I was to live in an RV the day that I

[1:46:07] Trustee Maude: moved in I'd put a roof over top and that's when that's where the building inspector starts tearing

[1:46:12] Trustee Maude: his hair exactly

[1:46:13] Voice 4: and

[1:46:14] Trustee Maude: so maybe as part of all this we need to have a joint meeting I'd like

[1:46:18] Voice 6: that's it's the bringing together the interagency collaboration to come up with a plan um i think

[1:46:25] Voice 6: that's so the interagency collaboration advocacy i see this is the seventh point of the the crd's

[1:46:32] Voice 6: interagency roundtable to discuss social and affordability improvements that can be advanced

[1:46:37] Voice 6: by each agency is probably it's not something we alone need to call but southern gulf islands

[1:46:43] Voice 6: in general with the CRD

[1:46:45] Voice 6: should have a roundtable

[1:46:47] Voice 6: to talk about different approaches, I think.

[1:46:50] Voice 6: We have that on the back end

[1:46:51] Voice 6: and actually what I'm trying

[1:46:53] Voice 6: to drive every, encourage

[1:46:55] Voice 6: every LTC to consider is to put that

[1:46:57] Voice 6: onto their action plans.

[1:47:00] Voice 6: Northpender will be moving

[1:47:01] Voice 6: into their housing project soon.

[1:47:03] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:47:06] Trustee Maude: Because the end

[1:47:07] Trustee Maude: goal is to get stability.

[1:47:09] Voice 6: One other thing that I keep hearing

[1:47:11] Voice 6: is if there was pre-approved plans that um were suitable for the rural gulf island context and

[1:47:18] Voice 6: we're thinking of like a the vancouver special which everybody refers to is like that's gonna

[1:47:24] Voice 6: be that's gonna fit crds what justine's working on good so

[1:47:28] Voice 6: like under 900 square feet like whatever

[1:47:32] Voice 6: it is that's happening with um with costing perfect so that develop developing that would

[1:47:38] Voice 6: would be to maximize affordability and meet floor area requirements in current zoning so i think

[1:47:43] Voice 6: exploring what am i hearing exploring the options for zoning work with work with the water districts

[1:47:51] Voice 6: on um how they'll be serviced um the toolkit for affordable housing development do we need to do

[1:48:09] Voice 6: well the regional planning we're still working on the toolkit for the

[1:48:12] Voice 6: portable housing for phonics so that's that's basically that's big too yeah um yeah i think

[1:48:21] Voice 6: support for alternative exploring alternative housing types to really hone in on the type

[1:48:26] Voice 6: that you want to legitimize yeah like and the conversations right now is between manufactured

[1:48:32] Voice 6: homes or csa rv units and it's kind of driving towards manufactured homes as a type and then

[1:48:41] Voice 6: there may be a conversation about exceptions to bc building code for buildings like your

[1:48:47] Voice 6: legs four or five minutes we've got that in the action okay so so when we bring the action plan

[1:48:52] Voice 6: back um i'll have a look at it okay and make sure that these things are our current i think

[1:48:58] Voice 6: all of what we've discussed right now is actually captured in that okay um and um and then uh there

[1:49:04] Voice 6: there'll also be an opportunity to review that and then we can prioritize.

[1:49:07] Voice 7: Okay, good.

[1:49:12] Voice 6: Anything else?

[1:49:16] Voice 6: That's a lot. We can do that in a year

[1:49:19] Voice 3: and a half.

[1:49:19] Voice 6: I think we can probably do some of it at least. Well, we'll

[1:49:24] Voice 5: have a look at it

[1:49:24] Voice 5: because it's been the same thing. I mean what's great now is that in a way

[1:49:28] Voice 5: Denman and Maine's

[1:49:30] Voice 6: implementation is now at the same place.

[1:49:32] Voice 6: yeah and so it was pretty close and gabriel is pretty close too yes and so yeah so we'll be able

[1:49:39] Voice 6: to

[1:49:39] Voice 5: kind of learn those projects we'll be able to learn from each other and some of the research

[1:49:43] Voice 5: as staff um but we can be doing

[1:49:45] Voice 6: it for all of them

[1:49:46] Voice 5: um so

[1:49:48] Voice 6: it's it's actually the time the timing has

[1:49:51] Voice 6: come together very nicely for that and the housing needs assessments will be yeah coming

[1:49:56] Voice 1: out at some

[1:49:56] Voice 6: point so we'll have a better idea yes and

[1:50:00] Trustee Maude: we go great on textbooks so yeah

[1:50:02] Voice 6: very very good thank

[1:50:04] Voice 6: you very much yeah i would not be here if that was the case in my entire history if it's twice

[1:50:11] Trustee Maude: as fast as twice as many typos we're fine with that i'm trying

[1:50:14] Voice 6: to find the rural housing strategy

[1:50:16] Voice 6: but i i don't see it on the website i don't have to go back to my alliance can i show you a little

[1:50:23] Voice 6: piece of information

[1:50:23] Voice 4: yeah um so uh you were talking a couple minutes back in regards to

[1:50:29] Voice 4: there being someone to assist people who are elderly in the incentive

[1:50:33] Voice 4: program and the crc

[1:50:35] Voice 4: is working towards having that program in place so not the crd the crc which is underneath the

[1:50:41] Voice 4: crd umbrella

[1:50:42] Voice 4: um that is one of the programs that they have in mind to assist so they have funds

[1:50:47] Voice 4: to organize who the people would be that would go out and would

[1:50:50] Voice 6: they subsidize yeah they would

[1:50:53] Voice 6: assist

[1:50:53] Voice 4: with the administration of actually applying for funds for the funds good wow okay

[1:50:59] Voice 4: so i was thinking that would be

[1:51:01] Voice 6: like a senior wouldn't be able to figure out how to that's

[1:51:03] Voice 4: the community resource center yeah because

[1:51:06] Voice 6: there are all sorts of jobs oh right yeah

[1:51:10] Voice 4: yeah so like

[1:51:11] Voice 6: fixing your roof and yeah

[1:51:14] Voice 4: so that's part of their resources they want to make available

[1:51:18] Voice 4: to them which is good it

[1:51:20] Voice 6: sounds like we need to have conversations a

[1:51:22] Voice 4: lot of wrong with them

[1:51:23] Voice 4: yeah yeah well

[1:51:26] Voice 6: i mean when we get we i mean it might it might be um useful to have a a community

[1:51:32] Voice 6: meeting to to make sure that we're on point with the action plan okay

[1:51:36] Voice 7: at

[1:51:37] Voice 6: some point i'll i'll come

[1:51:40] Voice 6: is this a

[1:51:41] Voice 3: public comment time uh we're flexible

[1:51:44] Voice 6: today but uh sure if it's relevant yeah i just

[1:51:49] Voice 3: wanted to say three things about what you were saying about housing one of them is and i'm on

[1:51:54] Voice 3: felix jack but i think i have a sneaking feeling when i looked at the plan with flex housing cut

[1:52:00] Voice 3: off just before my property and we talked about maybe extending it but

[1:52:04] Voice 3: i will put another house

[1:52:06] Voice 3: on my property tomorrow if i had the money yeah i

[1:52:10] Voice 3: have utterly no hesitation i have no money

[1:52:13] Voice 3: so to me one of the things that would be really really helpful would be huge support in getting

[1:52:20] Voice 3: funding sources that's one thing another one is that i'm a big believer in recycling

[1:52:31] Voice 3: and what i'd like to do if i had the money would be to put a nickel brothers house or two

[1:52:36] Voice 3: two, on my property.

[1:52:39] Voice 3: And suddenly, I don't know what's going on,

[1:52:41] Voice 3: but if you subscribe to Nickel Brothers emails,

[1:52:46] Voice 3: they're 10 every week or more.

[1:52:49] Voice 3: They're just coming.

[1:52:51] Voice 7: I've

[1:52:51] Voice 3: talked to Nickel Brothers.

[1:52:53] Voice 3: And of course, there are the concerns about getting on the road

[1:52:56] Voice 3: to a particular place and the size of your house and so on.

[1:52:59] Voice 3: But the price per square foot is a quarter of what it is to build a new house.

[1:53:06] Voice 3: apparently it can be up to fifty thousand dollars in various costs to throw all the

[1:53:12] Voice 3: stuff in a landfill it costs about ten

[1:53:15] Voice 3: thousand to barge them over

[1:53:17] Voice 6: yeah

[1:53:18] Voice 5: yeah so we should be

[1:53:19] Voice 3: talking to some government agency to pay for the barging i'll pay for the house you pay to get it

[1:53:25] Voice 3: over here because i'm saving you money in the landfill we should also have an expedited approval

[1:53:30] Voice 3: approval process for these things. Because I have heard all the way from, man, somebody rubber

[1:53:36] Voice 3: stamped it when it got here, to it's taken two years to get it approved. And there are so many

[1:53:42] Voice 3: angles where it just makes an awful lot of sense. And the third thing I wanted to say is about RVs.

[1:53:51] Voice 3: Sometime down the road, I am going to choose to live in an RV. I'm going to sell my house. I don't

[1:53:58] Voice 3: need a big house there are other things i'd like to do i've got a friend with a big property who

[1:54:03] Voice 3: says park your rv don't tell us too many specifics here i've already

[1:54:08] Voice 3: seen the site

[1:54:10] Voice 3: what i'm getting at is that rvs are a home of choice for some people not just desperation

[1:54:18] Voice 3: and if there's a consideration down the road of maybe eliminating them i think you have to be

[1:54:24] Voice 3: be careful about that because some people want to live in that kind of arrangement i don't want a

[1:54:28] Voice 3: house anymore i'd be very happy to live in a big fifth wheel yeah i think

[1:54:33] Voice 6: what we're and and i take

[1:54:35] Voice 6: your point they are a home of choice what we're trying to distinguish is a long-term home of

[1:54:41] Voice 6: choice what types of dwellings versus emergency shelter that we're sort of allowing because we

[1:54:47] Voice 6: don't have any right housing opportunities i disagree children we've always allowed people

[1:54:51] Voice 6: before they've been travel trailers we have people as i said who've lived in them for over 20 years

[1:54:55] Voice 7: we

[1:54:56] Voice 6: it's in our land use bylaws crd wanted us to take it out yeah and we argued that we've always

[1:55:02] Voice 6: allowed it we put it in so i don't know who i guess a new trust committee could arbitrarily

[1:55:08] Voice 6: island health actually regulates so the i i think

[1:55:13] Voice 4: we don't know but i'm just

[1:55:14] Voice 6: i'm just throwing that

[1:55:15] Voice 6: out there that it's understand that it's not just one kind of person the

[1:55:19] Voice 6: resistance is using

[1:55:21] Voice 6: the recreational vehicle for its intended use which is typically seasonal park models are

[1:55:27] Voice 6: different they're built to be lived in recreational vehicles that's why building inspectors resist that

[1:55:33] Voice 6: because the certification is for seasonal use although

[1:55:36] Voice 3: look at the advertising for them right

[1:55:38] Voice 3: now we

[1:55:38] Voice 6: i'm sorry but we are we're a little out of time but the land use bylaw may not align with

[1:55:44] Voice 6: what island health and the crd is saying so

[1:55:47] Voice 1: we're gonna well we've

[1:55:48] Voice 6: always had mobile homes we have

[1:55:49] Voice 6: park model homes we have lots of alternatives we also have many houses that have been brought in

[1:55:54] Voice 6: that are nickel for other houses there are lots but as you say the big hurdle is

[1:55:59] Voice 6: for the home

[1:56:00] Voice 6: owner to actually have the funding

[1:56:02] Voice 7: to put in

[1:56:02] Voice 6: place and that is a challenge so i think a roundtable

[1:56:06] Voice 6: interagency conversation is because where the crd needs to kind of give up the battle or where we

[1:56:12] Voice 6: need to like give a concession um that's going to be a story yeah didn't mean to weigh in there um

[1:56:18] Voice 6: is there anything else we need for the housing options uh no no strategy yeah yeah and so i

[1:56:25] Voice 6: think they'll review the and update the um the action plan based on this input and um yeah you'll

[1:56:35] Voice 6: have a project charter we can talk about that and um then we'll be we'll be on our way and so

[1:56:41] Voice 6: all move that the main island local trust committee request staff to report back with

[1:56:46] Voice 6: the project charter work plan and updated housing actually plan to support phase two

[1:56:51] Voice 6: of the main island housing options project

[1:56:55] Voice 6: seconded by trustee mons after much discussion is there any more discussion all those in favor

[1:57:02] Voice 6: hi that's carrie sorry i weighed in a little too much with my gatorade perspective there

[1:57:08] Voice 6: I do respect Maine's land use by law.

[1:57:12] Trustee Maude: So we want to see your application to the ADC.

[1:57:16] Voice 6: Application.

[1:57:18] Trustee Maude: Yes.

[1:57:20] Voice 6: We need people.

[1:57:21] Voice 6: That's right.

[1:57:23] Voice 6: I'll think about it.

[1:57:25] Voice 6: Now you know how exciting this is.

[1:57:28] Voice 7: oh yeah

[1:57:29] Voice 6: have a cookie

[1:57:32] Voice 6: we have

[1:57:33] Voice 6: Warren

[1:57:34] Voice 6: on the line but you were missing out on cookies

[1:57:40] Voice 6: so we're going to take a two

[1:57:42] Voice 6: minute

[1:57:42] Voice 6: and come back

[1:57:46] Voice 6: for the rest of our

[1:57:51] Voice 7: Oh, they're the

[1:57:52] Voice 7: beautiful ones.

[2:06:00] Voice 7: So the main LTC

[2:06:01] Voice 6: is back in. We're just in our applications, page 28, 29, asking questions.

[2:06:10] Voice 6: Did we get a report back in?

[2:06:17] Voice 6: So we were waiting for Modi to approve the drugs.

[2:06:22] Voice 6: and as you know um they they received some and then they sort of sent them back and said

[2:06:28] Voice 6: actually you need to adhere to these principles of all the law um and they received some others

[2:06:34] Voice 6: and so that's been in process and i did get a message from um our multi-contact on friday

[2:06:41] Voice 6: saying that they anticipate feedback by the end of this month so that's where so but the

[2:06:47] Voice 6: homeowner will apply for a variance for that homeowner yes absolutely uh well the the application

[2:06:53] Voice 5: for gdp is already in oh for that but we can't move forward until we've got the drawing okay yeah

[2:07:01] Trustee Maude: but just a question apparently we're only talking about retaining on the lower side

[2:07:06] Trustee Maude: that's what

[2:07:07] Trustee Maude: we're talking about right now

[2:07:08] Voice 6: we're

[2:07:09] Trustee Maude: just not talking anything about the opposite side

[2:07:13] Voice 6: we're not having this i mean it's not the difficult one because here's like

[2:07:17] Voice 6: like whose responsibility is there's

[2:07:20] Trustee Maude: a public safety concern

[2:07:21] Voice 6: it absolutely isn't but really

[2:07:23] Voice 6: should be i mean and it becomes a legal issue right so in terms of the ltc's responsibility

[2:07:31] Voice 6: i mean i think it's a whole it's the homeowner's responsibility and mobility because it's their

[2:07:35] Voice 6: road but

[2:07:36] Trustee Maude: can we do some additional push on both crd and moti about limiting yeah

[2:07:43] Voice 6: so crd is is um

[2:07:45] Voice 6: they as i understand um they are uh and i'm not sure where the covenant is um to like that's

[2:07:54] Voice 6: related to the um the the runoff issues of and etc on that other side and that they're also going to

[2:08:02] Voice 6: related to the upkeep of the of the retaining wall um i can have some further conversation about mode

[2:08:10] Voice 6: with moody about that other side of the because

[2:08:12] Trustee Maude: the other side and the wisteria is those water

[2:08:15] Trustee Maude: takes up top yes

[2:08:17] Voice 7: it

[2:08:18] Trustee Maude: just scares me

[2:08:21] Voice 7: and

[2:08:22] Trustee Maude: and and hopefully we or you shouldn't have time to go

[2:08:25] Trustee Maude: back and have all those boulders but there's boulders yeah

[2:08:29] Voice 6: actually look at the boulders

[2:08:31] Voice 6: and you're looking at the other side but yes but

[2:08:32] Trustee Maude: it's just it's for public safety there's a concern

[2:08:36] Trustee Maude: there and i'm and i'm just i'm not comfortable if we're talking about the lower side well that's a

[2:08:42] Trustee Maude: there's a there's the b component on the other side of the road i think it's way larger

[2:08:47] Trustee Maude: and and i think that i think they should be conjoined it's the same property

[2:08:52] Trustee Maude: and and you know if modi's just looking at that and not looking at the other thing

[2:08:57] Trustee Maude: somebody's missing something

[2:08:58] Voice 7: so

[2:09:00] Voice 6: well well i don't quite understand how they've managed to

[2:09:04] Voice 6: do the construction we've done for the pillars with our with the wall should have been there

[2:09:08] Voice 6: before that that's kind of let

[2:09:11] Voice 6: it go by

[2:09:12] Trustee Maude: so i do i don't even know how they got a building

[2:09:15] Trustee Maude: anyhow we will leave it here take your gracious hands

[2:09:22] Trustee Maude: yes with appreciation

[2:09:23] Voice 6: yeah i'll uh i'll do my best to try and see this one

[2:09:26] Voice 6: it does not look like a safe situation just say that um okay then there's nothing else in our

[2:09:43] Voice 6: uh standing resolutions do uh okay so for my chair's report um i think i'll just do a brief

[2:09:56] Voice 6: summary of the budget that was passed um it is an 11 million dollar budget which is uh a lot but i

[2:10:05] Voice 6: will um we note that there's more than 800 000 worth of grant funding for next year which is

[2:10:13] Voice 6: about 7.6 percent of the budget um but it does represent an almost six percent increase to the

[2:10:19] Voice 6: existing local tax area tax base um however all local trust committee projects that were advanced

[2:10:28] Voice 6: were are funded and that was uh discussed at our financial planning committee meeting

[2:10:33] Voice 6: if we had some criteria for how we're going to evaluate what needs to be cut we really wanted

[2:10:38] Voice 6: to protect um local trust committee projects so i was really happy to see that nothing was axed

[2:10:45] Voice 6: um the continuing stewardship education program the coordination function uh through the secretariat

[2:10:54] Voice 6: part of the budget have been very popular and so they'd originally been slated for

[2:11:00] Voice 6: axing by the financial planning committee and were put back in uh so very strong support for that

[2:11:06] Voice 6: um there is going to be uh so there's there has been a big focus on bylaw enforcement

[2:11:13] Voice 6: I think since our first Trust Council meeting, and so we're on track with the Regional Planning Committee to work through the policies and best practices that the Ombudsperson's Report gave us to work on.

[2:11:31] Voice 6: And so that's going to be brought back to Trust Council to sort of work through.

[2:11:35] Voice 6: but I'm pretty confident we're going to have a much stronger understanding and education about

[2:11:42] Voice 6: bylaw enforcement and there is going to be a compliance and enforcement information portal

[2:11:48] Voice 6: so companion to the transfer to city view which is an updated software for our planning I don't

[2:11:58] Voice 6: know if you were involved with any of that software integration but it's not a

[2:12:01] Voice 6: nightmare

[2:12:03] Voice 6: mayor and i've just taken months to all of the staff that have been they have way more patients

[2:12:08] Voice 6: oh i don't think people are feeling very patient at this point so i'm not sure if this bylaw

[2:12:15] Voice 6: enforcement portal is going to break the break the backs of our planners but that's been a pretty

[2:12:21] Voice 6: big piece and yes the there's going to be there's significant amount of money put towards uh the

[2:12:29] Voice 6: policy statement amendment project a change to that is that it's going to be brought back to

[2:12:35] Voice 6: trust council for a special meeting before it goes out to local trust committee so we we get to look

[2:12:41] Voice 6: at that for the first time this year hopefully soon and we do have some better protection for

[2:12:50] Voice 6: ecological services so there's a temporary biologist position that is fully grant funded

[2:12:58] Voice 6: it uh people have been asking me i mean before i was elected like why isn't there a biologist on

[2:13:04] Voice 6: staff like planning services is often strapped and they turn to the conservancy the conservancy

[2:13:10] Voice 6: is managing their own workloads and they don't have time to give the sort of relevant information

[2:13:16] Voice 6: to planning staff so it'll be interesting to see if this temporary biologist will alleviate some of

[2:13:21] Voice 6: the the lack of information that that we've been struggling with I think for planning

[2:13:29] Voice 6: um and there's a new full-time uh team lead for the conservancy that's going to address some

[2:13:37] Voice 6: critical capacity issues that we just haven't been able to do a lot of the things we need to do

[2:13:44] Voice 6: so that's that was a big but yeah there were other notes from press council there was some

[2:13:50] Voice 6: educational pieces that i don't know if it was deemed everybody had some value out of it or not

[2:13:58] Voice 6: um on social media and media training so that was not open to the public but i thought it was a

[2:14:06] Voice 6: pretty good facilitated session i learned a bit and then what was the other educational one it

[2:14:13] Voice 6: we're in the very beginning oh we have

[2:14:14] Voice 6: priorities and sort of getting into strategic planning

[2:14:23] Voice 6: right so we've done this SWOT analysis strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats last year

[2:14:29] Voice 6: and then running this through this is a more focused uh prep for strategic planning

[2:14:35] Voice 6: what do we want to focus on of course it's environment environment water water water

[2:14:40] Voice 6: but how do we do that it

[2:14:43] Voice 7: was

[2:14:46] Voice 6: a long three-day meeting yeah works executive

[2:14:54] Voice 6: committee we're still trying to refine the schedule and it changes every trust

[2:15:00] Voice 6: council but the next one's going to be on trust on Salt Spring Island and it is

[2:15:07] Voice 6: our 50th anniversary this June so some will be celebrating and some will be asking the

[2:15:15] Voice 6: same questions we have for 50. How do we enact the mandate of the trust? That's it for my report,

[2:15:23] Voice 6: there's lots of other things happening. Oh I did go to an Indigenous foods gathering

[2:15:28] Voice 6: in Port Alberni which is Tshigat territory but it was hosted by a Housat nation which is West Coast

[2:15:36] Voice 6: uh they're one of the largest first nations in bc and oh that conversations about food and the

[2:15:43] Voice 6: importance of access to to areas for like hunting and fishing and foraging and the connection of

[2:15:50] Voice 6: traditional foods and health so there was a lot of

[2:15:53] Voice 6: conversation about diabetes in first nations

[2:15:55] Voice 6: communities and bringing the diet back to you know real meat and and and the cultural appreciation of

[2:16:03] Voice 6: food people's stories were just it was unbelievable um to hear about transformation of people's

[2:16:10] Voice 6: physical health and so all of that is connected to land and i think going into the next 50 years

[2:16:16] Voice 6: i think in the islands trust we need to consider how do we work with first nations to ensure

[2:16:23] Voice 6: continued access to their their homelands for um for food and hunting and follow deer hunting

[2:16:32] Voice 6: I know you'll have your support on that.

[2:16:36] Voice 6: So that way it was just a really rich time.

[2:16:38] Voice 6: So that's it for my report, trustees, what have you got for the share out?

[2:16:45] Trustee Maude: Always excitement.

[2:16:46] Voice 6: Yes.

[2:16:47] Trustee Maude: Well, I think that in the last month, they had it with the meeting of animals with me.

[2:16:55] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:16:55] Trustee Maude: Parks Canada.

[2:16:57] Trustee Maude: It was a very good, informative meeting.

[2:17:00] Trustee Maude: the primary focusing um on the two parts canada topics one was the dear colin sydney island the

[2:17:06] Trustee Maude: other one is the gulf islands national reserve um marine reserve park

[2:17:11] Voice 7: right um

[2:17:12] Trustee Maude: the only thing

[2:17:14] Trustee Maude: from a main island perspective it was interesting the parts canada official

[2:17:18] Trustee Maude: was under the impression that palladier don't swim and and it's uh that would be news to the

[2:17:25] Trustee Maude: the residents of Samuel, Saturna, Galliano, and Pender Islands, where they've shown up.

[2:17:30] Voice 7: Really?

[2:17:31] Voice 7: And

[2:17:31] Trustee Maude: short of a ferry pass, we don't know how they're getting there, because apparently

[2:17:36] Trustee Maude: they don't swim.

[2:17:37] Voice 7: Wow.

[2:17:39] Trustee Maude: But the Marine Reserve, it was interesting because he said, this is over 20 years in

[2:17:45] Trustee Maude: the making.

[2:17:46] Trustee Maude: And he was saying that they're now at phase four of five, so they're getting closer and

[2:17:52] Trustee Maude: closer.

[2:17:53] Trustee Maude: soon and my understanding was this in fairly short term they're going to start doing public meetings

[2:17:59] Trustee Maude: and consultations so

[2:18:00] Trustee Maude: that's going to be a game changer on the islands um it depends on what sort

[2:18:07] Trustee Maude: of perspective they take to it because on the east coast they were very heavy-handed

[2:18:12] Voice 7: um

[2:18:13] Trustee Maude: west coast

[2:18:14] Trustee Maude: it sounds like each one is very much unique so it's not cookie cutter so they have a plan and

[2:18:19] Trustee Maude: we'll see what the place it's just like a policy statement they've got it they have they haven't

[2:18:23] Trustee Maude: put it out there but it's there and so when it when it gets released we'll probably have a lot

[2:18:27] Trustee Maude: of input on that awesome um and otherwise i i've got to say in the last month i've had more people

[2:18:35] Trustee Maude: literally yell at me about the wooddale situation okay

[2:18:39] Voice 7: the

[2:18:40] Trustee Maude: emotions are getting very very high

[2:18:42] Trustee Maude: within that community um and there's a new

[2:18:45] Voice 6: sign there's a new sign on the road and i haven't seen

[2:18:48] Voice 6: that yet what is that about the industrial part

[2:18:52] Voice 6: there

[2:18:54] Voice 4: is frustration people are getting quite

[2:18:57] Trustee Maude: upset i know mr dingman is listening to this um is that we we just um we

[2:19:05] Trustee Maude: have the red zone issues

[2:19:06] Trustee Maude: we've got the clutter issues we've got so many issues down there and for an island we seem to

[2:19:14] Trustee Maude: have most of our problems in one very narrow very area and people are not happy and like i just

[2:19:23] Trustee Maude: normally i call it happy island because it is but seriously like i've actually had people yell at me

[2:19:28] Trustee Maude: going why aren't you doing something yeah all right

[2:19:31] Voice 6: so we've got to make this a priority

[2:19:34] Voice 6: so

[2:19:35] Trustee Maude: that's my positive

[2:19:36] Voice 6: report thank you sir

[2:19:40] Voice 6: So I attended, by Zoom, the meeting with Adam Bolton and Elizabeth May, so it was very good,

[2:19:46] Voice 6: of course, and you were there too, and then

[2:19:48] Voice 6: Trust Council as well, so it was a really busy week.

[2:19:51] Voice 6: I did get to the Library of the Orange Show, and I did think about if we had time,

[2:19:57] Voice 2: but

[2:19:57] Voice 6: I don't think we have time to yet when it's over, but spectacular.

[2:20:00] Voice 6: spectacular really kudos

[2:20:02] Voice 6: to the library group and to the agricultural society and the campaign

[2:20:06] Voice 6: music festival because the

[2:20:08] Voice 6: fact that they're able to bring that quality of a show to main

[2:20:12] Voice 6: island is pretty amazing awesome so that's my most of what i'll talk about is the new business

[2:20:18] Voice 6: section yeah gotcha okie dokes uh i didn't skip over any business did i

[2:20:26] Voice 2: oh

[2:20:27] Voice 6: i hope not okay we

[2:20:29] Voice 6: We have no electoral area director's report on this just conservancy lot happening there, but getting that full time position funded it'll take eight or nine months to get filled the main time we're

[2:20:43] Voice 6: working with First Nations because our

[2:20:48] Voice 6: interim regional plan, but the

[2:20:51] Voice 6: uh the conservancy's plan that has to be approved by the minister is not and so we're working without

[2:20:57] Voice 6: a plan right now so we've sort of paused on uh anything really new and i have to check in with

[2:21:04] Voice 6: the ministry over any new acquisitions or covenants um and so the really big focus is engaging with

[2:21:11] Voice 6: with all the first nations and creating that a plan together let's say that's what we're up for

[2:21:18] Voice 6: and i'm excited so new business dog park updates so what have you got the update is that at this

[2:21:26] Voice 6: point i went to the immediate full-time neighbors and approached them on their thoughts about a dog

[2:21:33] Voice 6: park yeah and certainly got some some interesting feedback in terms of of things to consider before

[2:21:39] Voice 6: rushing into it not

[2:21:40] Voice 7: complete

[2:21:41] Voice 6: no that's not kind of these are the things we'd be concerned if you

[2:21:44] Voice 6: did have it i also spoke to the crd director who took him a while to get back to me and he actually

[2:21:50] Voice 6: said it's a great idea very surprised i spoke to the chairperson of the mainland parks commission

[2:21:57] Voice 6: because i'm operating on the assumption this would have to be managed through parks commission

[2:22:02] Voice 6: and of course they want nothing to do with dog parks or other things because there's been issues

[2:22:09] Voice 6: issues on Pender um but the issues I understand on Pender are that they're sharing a dog park with

[2:22:16] Voice 6: regular Park users the proposal for the very potential fairy property is a hundred percent

[2:22:22] Voice 6: on their dog park so I went back to the original writer of the letter to the trust committee and

[2:22:26] Voice 6: said you really need to get a bit of a committee a bit of a group together and decide exactly what

[2:22:32] Voice 6: it is you want because for us to go to BC Ferries we need to have a better idea of what you're

[2:22:37] Voice 6: prepared to do to support this but overall it's uh the location the one neighbor was mostly

[2:22:44] Voice 6: concerned that access to the park would not be in front of his house obviously that it'd be

[2:22:49] Voice 6: access actually probably through the bc ferries locked property which would keep it under control

[2:22:55] Voice 6: so learned a bunch of information but need to wait

[2:22:57] Voice 6: until i hear back from a few more proponents

[2:23:00] Voice 6: who sort of lay out what they have been key okay and do some bit more homework um but overall

[2:23:06] Voice 6: all the concept if bc paris is willing and once the tup has whenever it's finished if it if it

[2:23:13] Voice 6: is renewed or not and we should do that dog parks and let's do that training's gone but there is

[2:23:20] Voice 6: right now the dogs on the island are informally using dinner bay park which is a playground for

[2:23:26] Voice 6: kids in a heavily used park so i don't i have no doubt that there is a huge demand so i will

[2:23:32] Voice 6: before i run into a letter you see there is a bit more information but i

[2:23:37] Voice 6: was thinking that

[2:23:38] Voice 6: when that time comes either a motion that or either just an informal

[2:23:42] Voice 7: email

[2:23:43] Voice 6: to the person

[2:23:44] Voice 6: in charge if you see where they're not there yet so okay thanks for that thanks for always

[2:23:50] Voice 6: doing your homework today i need to follow up with the questions on the page

[2:23:59] Voice 6: I'll just announce that our next regular business meeting is scheduled for May 27th here at

[2:24:07] Voice 6: the Agricultural Hall and we do have another town hall but I'll note there's no one in

[2:24:13] Voice 6: the meeting and nobody in members of the public present so we're now going to go into a closed

[2:24:20] Voice 6: meeting session and shut off the recording i move that the meeting be closed to the public

[2:24:25] Voice 6: in accordance with the community charter part 4 division 3 s91 f for the purpose of considering

[2:24:31] Voice 6: law enforcement if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm

[2:24:36] Voice 6: the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment and that recorder

[2:24:41] Voice 6: and staff attend the meeting okay do i have a second invited trustee mond and all those in favor

[2:24:49] Voice 6: that is carried we are going to ask emily to shut down all right everybody so we just finished our

[2:24:58] Voice 6: uh in-camera meeting and there was i can rise a report that there was discussion on enforcement

[2:25:05] Voice 6: options for horton bay and we the ltc has directed staff to um a course of action so

[2:25:13] Voice 6: So, and hopefully we'll have some education coming out in the next year about what is legal and what is not legal on the water.

[2:25:24] Voice 6: So with that, I think we're going to adjourn our meeting for today.

[2:25:29] Voice 6: It's been a pleasure to work with you all.

[2:25:30] Voice 6: Thank you so much.

[2:25:33] Voice 6: We're going to do a site visit on Dillard's Bay Road.

[2:25:36] Voice 6: I told her about 20 minutes.

[2:25:38] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:25:40] Voice 6: Bye.

Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 1 of 6 
 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
March 25, 2024 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 David Maude, Local Trustee 
 Jeanine Dodds, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were two (2) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. Chair Elliott acknowledged that the meeting 
was being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. Chair Elliott spoke to Mayne 
Island Local Trust Committee’s commitment to reconciliation and noted there are a number of 
up-coming activities with a focus on First Nations and Indigenous Peoples happening on Mayne 
Island. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 13.1 Dog Park update 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Sharlene Lazin spoke to her submission regarding identifying an animal shelter as a permitted 
usage on her property, which currently is the site for the veterinary clinic. There have been a 
number of abandoned animals lately and an established shelter would be beneficial to the 
community.  
Island Planner Chadwick noted that the shelter could be added as accessory to the veterinary 
clinic. 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
5. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
  
A D O P T E D 

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 2 of 6 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated February 26, 2024 
By general consent the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of 
February 26, 2024 were adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Mar 2024 
Island Planner Chadwick noted that Planner Caproff has left her position with Islands 
Trust. Island Planner Chadwick has spoken with the Oceanwood applicant and there will 
be a new plan using the existing density coming forward.  
There is a meeting scheduled for April 29, 2024 with the Ministry of Transportation and 
Infrastructure. The Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure practices of road side 
cutting, clearing, and the lack of yellow lines will be submitted to the agenda. 
8. DELEGATIONS - none 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
 A letter regarding shoreline protection was acknowledged. 
A submission regarding the animal shelter inclusion in Land Use of 500 Felix Jack Road was also 
received. 
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS – see Applications Report pages 28 - 31 agenda package. 
11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Land Use Bylaw Review  
Island Planner Chadwick reviewed the process for proceeding to First Reading without 
holding a Public Hearing. The amendments are consistent with the Official Community 
Plan. Island Planner Chadwick explained that not holding a Public Hearing and sending 
referrals out prior to First Reading will allow the Local Trust Committee to move through 
the first, second, and third readings at a single Local Trust Committee meeting. 
The Local Trust Committee reviewed the following items to be amended in the draft 
Land Use Bylaw: 
2.20 Permitting veterinary clinic in zone 
 Recommend inclusion of animal shelter 
 Add as accessory building to the clinic 
 Size could be a maximum 500 square feet (exclusive of fenced areas) 
 Maximum thirty animals and only temporary for wild animals as an 
emergency shelter 
 Definition of domestic and companion animals 

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 3 of 6 
 Island Planner Chadwick to draft and include for referral 
  2.23  Teacherage 
 Straight forward site specific zoning to allow for this 
 Can expand as part of the Housing Project 
2.24 Limiting lot coverage in Resource Conservation Zone 
 Reducing overall lot coverage 
 Suggest 2% - or could remove % coverage 
 St. John’s Point will be a site specific rezoning within the Resource 
Conservation Zone 
 Can define further with rezoning 
 Could request variance 
 Remove accessory buildings from the project and add in as a condition of 
rezoning applications 
 Limit size of utility shed to maximum 200 square feet 
 
2.9 Patios 
 Discussion as to permitted size and a compromise of 30 meters squared was 
identified as an acceptable solution 
2.3 Contractor Yards 
 Home occupation regulations 
 Review of draft regulations 
 Change 1.0 hectare to .5 hectare 
 Exterior area for storage – 350 square feet on lots under 2 hectares 
MA-2024-019 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that, pursuant to Local Government Act s. 464(2), Mayne Island Local Trust 
Committee resolves to not hold a public hearing for Bylaw No.193, cited as 
“Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2023” and 
that staff give notice of First Reading in accordance with s.467 of the Local 
Government Act. 
CARRIED 
 
MA-2024-020 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to send referrals related 
to Bylaw No.193, cited as “Mayne Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, 
Amendment No. 1, 2023” to all relevant agencies, and First Nations with 
changes as discussed. 
CARRIED 
 
  

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 4 of 6 
11.2 Housing Project  
Island Planner Chadwick reviewed actions within phase one and reported that Trust 
Council supported the budget and staff time for the options program (phase two). 
Next phase – to speak with water districts regarding secondary suites. 
Discussion: 
o Need to examine flexible housing, zoning, types of housing (alternative housing 
types), and prioritize target group(s), such as young people and seniors. 
o Housing stability is important and there is a need to work with Capital Regional 
District, specifically Building Inspection 
o Interagency collaboration is critical – put on Action Plan. 
MA-2024-021 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to report back with a 
Project Charter, Work Plan and updated Housing Action Plan to support Phase 2 
of the Mayne Island Housing Options Project. 
CARRIED  
 
 ------------------------------------ Break 3:28 to 3:35 ------------------------------------ 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Work Program Reports 
12.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Mar 2024 – received for information 
12.1.2 Future Project List Report Dated Mar 2024 – received for information 
12.2 Applications Report Dated Mar 2024 
Island Planner Chadwick noted that the issue of the retaining wall on Georgina Point 
Road, and explained that they are waiting for Ministry of Transportation and 
Infrastructure (end of March). There are concerns regarding high side bank and the 
safety issue from the risk of rock falls. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Jan 2024 – received for information 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions – received for information 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – received for information 
12.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Elliott reported on the Islands Trust budget of $11 million, which was passed with 
more than $800,000 in grant funding. There was a focus is on bylaw enforcement and 
working through Policy and Best Practices from the Ombudsperson’s report with Local 
Trust Committees. A Policy Statement Amendment coming back to Trust Council. There 
is temporary funding to hire Biologist for Planning and a full-time Team Leader for 
Conservancy. Next Trust Council is on Salt Spring Island and will mark the 50
th
. 

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 5 of 6 
Anniversary of Islands Trust this June. Chair Elliott attended an Indigenous Foods 
Gathering in Port Alberni and found it to be exciting and educating.  
12.7 Trustee Report 
Trustee Maude reported on meeting with Member of the Legislative Assembly, Adam 
Olsen and Parks Canada. They discussed a plan to cull fallow deer on Sidney Island. 
There will be public meetings in the near future regarding the Gulf Islands Marine 
Reserve, which has been over 20 years in development. Trustee Maude spoke of 
community concerns regarding Wood Dale and that frustration levels are on the rise. 
Trustee Dodds spoke of meeting with Member of the Legislative Assembly, Adam Olsen 
and Member of Parliament Elizabeth May via Zoom. Trustee Dodds described the art 
show at the library as spectacular and wanted to state appreciation and thanks to the 
Library, Agricultural Society, and Campbell Bay Music Festival for organizing the event. 
12.8 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
12.9 Islands Trust Conservancy Report  
Chair Elliott noted that hiring a Team Leader could take eight or nine months. The 
Conservancy is working with First Nations to focus on engagement and create plans 
together. 
13. NEW BUSINESS 
 13.1 Dog Park update 
Trustee Dodds reported having met with immediate neighbours, Capital Regional 
District Director, and Mayne Islands Parks and Recreation. Trustee Dodds requested that 
the initiator detail their interest and proposal for operation and resubmit. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 27, 2024 at the Agricultural Hall, Mayne 
Island 
15. TOWN HALL - none 
16. CLOSED MEETING  
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
MA-2024-022 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(f) for the purpose of considering: 
(f) law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could 
reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under 
or enforcement of an enactment; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
  Meeting closed at 3:54 pm. 

 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
March 25, 2024 ADOPTED Page 6 of 6 
16.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Elliott recalled the regular Local Trust Committee meeting to order at 4:13 p.m. 
16.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Elliott will rise and report at May meeting on discussion regarding non-permitted 
usages in Horton Bay, that Bylaw Enforcement has been directed to take action, what 
enforcement options there are and that education on what’s legal and not legal in 
waterways is needed. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:15 p.m. 
 
_________________________ 
Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Pat Todd, Recorder