North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 5, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 15: and they're being live streamed.

[0:00:01] Voice 15: Thank you very much.

[0:00:02] Voice 15: Welcome, everybody.

[0:00:04] Voice 15: Good morning.

[0:00:05] Voice 15: Thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting

[0:00:08] Voice 15: of the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:11] Voice 15: I want to begin this meeting by acknowledging

[0:00:12] that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:14] in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:17] I'm David Maud, elected on the main island

[0:00:20] and chair of the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:23] I'm joined today by North Pender Island trustees,

[0:00:26] Aaron Campbell and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:28] uh together we make up the local kind of tender local trust committee this video is being live

[0:00:35] streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend the person recording will be posted

[0:00:39] to the island's trust website for future beauty we have some staff members joining us today um

[0:00:45] brad smith

[0:00:45] Voice 15: our island planning um we have a line um i believe is mr damon coming in today

[0:00:55] Voice 14: all right um it's just me today and i see uh rpm kajima is also available

[0:01:03] Voice 14: online all right so we have welcome and we have sarah sugar who's doing the recording

[0:01:11] we have emily bryant who's our puppet master today with electronics and she's ably assisted

[0:01:18] by our new meeting facilitator um lisa

[0:01:22] Voice 15: large um so welcome lisa i understand this is your first

[0:01:26] Voice 15: meeting and we promise to be kind and pleasant to you right like all okay

[0:01:32] Voice 15: all right um so it

[0:01:34] Voice 15: gets us to know this meeting's official forum for your custody to make decisions about land use

[0:01:38] Voice 15: planning uh matters and discuss relevant business i want to add this is a place of employment

[0:01:42] Voice 15: despite the fact some staff are on their own our staff the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:01:47] place um so for us we have an agenda um does have anybody have

[0:01:52] Voice 15: any additions or

[0:01:55] comments on the agenda or will be adopted by consent okay

[0:02:01] Voice 15: so by consent we'll adopt the the

[0:02:04] Voice 15: agenda and first off we have a trustee report sir sure

[0:02:10] Voice 15: um

[0:02:11] Voice 11: i feel like i already did one of these

[0:02:15] Voice 11: trust council um this is the first meeting back from being gone for this winter um so uh

[0:02:23] Voice 11: we had a trust council at the beginning of march which was um sort of a challenging return i've

[0:02:30] Voice 11: been down in mexico um and so to return to the nymo to uh to 26 trust trustees trying to make

[0:02:38] Voice 11: some decisions uh was a bit of a re-entry back into real life but um we we've had

[0:02:50] Voice 11: even while

[0:02:51] Voice 11: i was gone there's quite a bit of uh back and forth um starlight is wonderful and we

[0:02:57] Voice 11: can now stay pretty pretty connected to just about anything no matter where the world could happen to

[0:03:02] Voice 11: be i had quite a number of long lengthy conversations with people um just in a much

[0:03:08] Voice 11: much nicer setting than had I been sitting out on the back of the farm a little bit there.

[0:03:14] Voice 11: But it's just, yeah, I think being away in a different community that was struggling

[0:03:22] Voice 11: with many of the same challenges that I think that our island is struggling with was sort

[0:03:28] Voice 11: of a, it was interesting to look at how they were handling things or not handling things

[0:03:37] Voice 11: And the similarities between how we as an island are starting to bump up against challenges for how we're going to grow, how we're going to maybe control the growth in different places, what sort of solutions we can come up with for housing in particular.

[0:04:00] Voice 11: that's been the big thing over the last few months and sort of since the start of our term

[0:04:08] Voice 11: has been workforce housing, affordable housing on the island for people to be able to support

[0:04:13] Voice 11: their businesses with employees. I

[0:04:17] Voice 10: know having

[0:04:18] Voice 11: a 20-year-old daughter, it's a challenge

[0:04:22] Voice 11: and the option for her to move off and go in and find somewhere to work is not really any better

[0:04:30] Voice 11: you know the price of housing and everything everywhere is it's so expensive that we really

[0:04:37] Voice 11: have to take a look at how we're going to do that which is part of our you know land use planning

[0:04:44] Voice 11: aspect of it is what do we do about how much water we build what do we do about you know the effects

[0:04:48] Voice 11: on our landscape and uh and trying to plan it forward for a lot of that stuff as opposed to

[0:04:54] Voice 11: in a reactionary type uh type of environment so that has been very forefront in a lot of

[0:05:00] Voice 11: conversations over the last couple of months with people and i think it's going to be an interesting

[0:05:06] Voice 11: next little while trying to get some sort of idea from the community about what people are really

[0:05:14] Voice 11: interested in pursuing and and willing to to get behind so that's uh that's kind of where i've been

[0:05:22] Voice 11: at yeah

[0:05:26] Voice 3: trust council was um yeah for those of you who might have seen pieces um i found there

[0:05:37] Voice 3: were many times at trust council when um myself and campbell were in agreement um and not in

[0:05:47] Voice 3: middle agreement with the trust council which was um very frustrating to to see some of the things

[0:05:58] Voice 3: and the way things are going um so we'll see how things go forward um those of you who are working

[0:06:04] Voice 3: to sort of think about the structure of the trust that's currently a conversation that seems to be

[0:06:10] Voice 3: at the trust um um do reach out to me um and have conversation with me between now and mid-may

[0:06:22] Voice 3: because i'm synthesizing some material to pull back into trust in june around that because i

[0:06:28] Voice 3: I've reached my limit of tolerance on trying to work through the system and I feel like we need

[0:06:35] Voice 3: to put more thought on the table around that so just saying that um at Trust Council it was in

[0:06:45] Voice 3: December I think it was in December I was appointed at the Vancouver Island Coastal

[0:06:50] Voice 3: Communities Climate Leadership Program oh my gosh that was a long acronym um so I'm working with

[0:06:58] Voice 3: mayors and representatives regional directors all across the coastal communities right now

[0:07:02] Voice 3: around um building more understanding for climate learning um and action and support for both um

[0:07:10] Voice 3: there's a elected official component which i sit on that group um and then there's a staff component

[0:07:16] Voice 3: then they kind of work together and so um that's been really interesting to be involved in that so

[0:07:23] Voice 3: So as part of that work, Trust Council has approved for me to go to AVIC next week, I

[0:07:29] Voice 5: want to say, next weekend,

[0:07:31] Voice 3: in Victoria.

[0:07:33] Voice 3: So I'll be going in to represent for some of that.

[0:07:36] Voice 3: And there's a big housing component of learning at the AVIC meeting.

[0:07:42] Voice 3: So I'm excited about that, just to understand how people are thinking about housing, how they're thinking about environmental protection, water, sustainability, all those things in the context of all that work.

[0:07:51] Voice 3: um so yeah so that's what i'm up to on uh you know thousands of details um

[0:07:58] Voice 3: i think they're just for those of you preemptive strike on those of you who are um going to ask

[0:08:07] Voice 3: or share concerns about like where are we at with some of the forestry related concerns

[0:08:12] Voice 3: enforcement concerns we are working on those that we're going through the steps that we need to go

[0:08:17] Voice 3: through to like understand what's happening and the trust council itself is is doing some review

[0:08:25] Voice 3: work around what is practices and protocols so that is in the works it is slow but it is in the

[0:08:34] Voice 3: works so just to know that too

[0:08:35] Voice 5: um i think that's it for now thank

[0:08:40] Voice 15: you yeah no it's certainly it's

[0:08:42] Voice 15: It's been a busy couple of months.

[0:08:45] Voice 15: Trust Council, once Trust Council, we did the budget, was very complicated, very difficult.

[0:08:54] As we all know, everything's getting more expensive.

[0:08:58] Everything that we look at within the Islands Trust is a pretty pricey thing.

[0:09:04] Last year, the province, our employees went to the BCGEU, so we're under a bigger picture.

[0:09:12] And we had no control over any component of it.

[0:09:16] And the province had negotiations and did salary bump, which immediately downstream to us, which affected the budget quite severely.

[0:09:28] There are more and more pressures from more and more sides for us to do things.

[0:09:34] And we're literally trying to do more with less.

[0:09:38] and and it's

[0:09:40] Voice 15: it's the time's not a winning battle and we i think we got by with a 5.9

[0:09:46] Voice 15: increase in taxes and that was with a lot of training and a lot like a lot of prominent

[0:09:54] Voice 15: projects that people wanted to go forward with did not go forward it's awkward and but you know

[0:10:01] in the scheme of things if you look at other local governments in our in our region or our

[0:10:06] regional district i think we had the lowest um budget increase of anybody so people are working

[0:10:13] hard um it's tough um we had an excellent meeting um with adam olson and elizabeth may over marine

[0:10:21] issues particularly around warring boys and such but um one of the features of the meeting was with

[0:10:27] parks canada talking about the national marine reserve which has been talked about for 20 odd

[0:10:33] years. And as the fellow who was giving the presentation pointed out to us, they're right

[0:10:41] now, they feel they're at phase four of

[0:10:43] Voice 15: a five-phase program. So fairly soon, you're

[0:10:48] Voice 15: going to see outreach to the communities with meetings and such, detailing more of what

[0:10:53] Voice 15: their plans are. But they seem to be well-advanced in the planning to actually have a National

[0:11:01] Voice 15: marine reserve in our csc so that's another thing up and coming on the radar um another thing that

[0:11:09] Voice 15: we're doing is we're getting meetings now um with travel with the ministry of transportation and

[0:11:15] Voice 15: highways over road issues so we have a protocol agreement that i think dates back 30 odd years

[0:11:21] Voice 15: and needs massively to be upgraded um but also you know we haven't done the basics they're supposed

[0:11:29] Voice 15: supposed to be bi-annual meetings with the Islands Trust that have never occurred. There's

[0:11:34] Voice 15: a lot of stuff that they're going to be opening up more. And trustees will know, is there

[0:11:41] Voice 15: actually now directly emailing us, like the project on the dip? We're getting weekly updates

[0:11:48] Voice 15: on that, whereas before we never got anything. So there's lots happening. And hopefully all

[0:11:57] always in a positive manner we

[0:11:58] Voice 15: finally got APC appointed which I think is great because there's

[0:12:03] Voice 15: a lot of energy going to go for that but three tries but we got it so great can

[0:12:09] Voice 5: I have one more

[0:12:10] Voice 5: thing to remind against absolutely okay so um actually

[0:12:15] Voice 3: one BC Hydro number of people had asked

[0:12:18] Voice 3: about the BC Hydro submarine uh cables that um emails that had gone out and some communications

[0:12:24] Voice 3: vacations so i did talk with bc hydro this week about that and it was like why am

[0:12:29] Voice 3: i just now

[0:12:29] Voice 5: hearing about that like you know and

[0:12:32] Voice 3: so um there is a meeting with the magic lake homeowners

[0:12:36] Voice 3: association so i'm not sure if anybody's here from that but um on monday down in thieves bay

[0:12:41] Voice 3: to talk about the realignment of one of the cables from sort of ruckle park area over to

[0:12:46] Voice 3: thieves bay potentially um which would help with the low distribution and storms to make it more

[0:12:51] Voice 3: stable and then there is a new cable right-of-way coming in up in Port Wash area I think it is

[0:12:59] Voice 3: and so there's some work going on on that so I asked for full information and that was the thing

[0:13:04] Voice 3: that I thought about when you said the agenda is Brad I think I might have sent you a note about

[0:13:08] Voice 3: this but just that we're hoping that they can come to the May meeting the community information

[0:13:14] Voice 3: meeting for a few minutes just because they wanted to be like hi this is who we are as BC Hydro so

[0:13:20] Voice 3: So BC Hydro may drop in to our main meeting.

[0:13:24] Voice 3: And so I told them where it is, and come more than Mary.

[0:13:29] Voice 14: So the one that's sitting in on your posting?

[0:13:32] Voice 3: Yeah, I just told them that we're meeting as a community.

[0:13:34] Voice 3: They want to come and be introduced at that moment.

[0:13:38] Voice 11: Someone came to the March Trust Council

[0:13:43] Voice 11: to speak to the islands in general about what was going on

[0:13:49] Voice 11: and introduce themselves but they were late as far as having a delegation

[0:13:52] Voice 11: i think that they're trying to do that in communities going yeah around like i'm

[0:13:59] Voice 14: just we

[0:14:00] Voice 14: could um make a 20 minute or half hour time for that yeah

[0:14:05] Voice 8: i

[0:14:08] Voice 3: have the name of the person so if i

[0:14:15] Voice 3: That'd be great.

[0:14:17] Voice 3: And then the other thing, because it's recorded and it's part of the public record, I thought I'd just share it with you.

[0:14:23] Voice 3: Both of your trustees voted down a budget.

[0:14:25] Voice 3: So we voted against the budget.

[0:14:28] Voice 3: Because for me, the reason why I voted against the budget is because I wasn't happy with the fact that we haven't fully implemented the governance report.

[0:14:37] Voice 3: and I feel like we're a year and a half into the new term and we need to be further along

[0:14:41] Voice 3: and so I voted against the budget as protest to the fact that we haven't believed so I don't know

[0:14:49] Voice 3: if you wanted to add anything but I just remembered that when you talked about the budget and normally

[0:14:53] Voice 3: we don't talk about those votes necessarily but we specifically ask for our votes to be recorded

[0:15:01] Voice 11: yeah I voted against everything that day of the life

[0:15:09] Voice 3: oh okay okay sorry we'll talk a bit louder right

[0:15:12] Voice 15: jack so yeah i know and and that's a good point

[0:15:16] Voice 15: it's bc hydro also have been reaching out a lot across the island yeah uh

[0:15:20] Voice 15: it is the there seems

[0:15:24] Voice 15: to be within government a lot more back and forth communication um and it's a good thing so

[0:15:33] Voice 15: yeah we're we're making progress all right so i don't see our electoral director brent in

[0:15:41] Voice 15: attendance online um i thought he was going to come in person but i guess maybe not um so we

[0:15:48] Voice 15: will send his regrets and we'll now open up for town hall now town hall generally we ask people

[0:15:54] to keep to about two minutes but we're we're not reaching on that we just ask you you put up your

[0:15:59] hands i'll acknowledge you if

[0:16:01] Voice 15: you just take your name for the minute taker and we'll go at her so

[0:16:06] Voice 15: good morning

[0:16:12] Voice 25: my name is karen bell and i'm here to speak very briefly about a letter that i sent

[0:16:17] Voice 25: to you uh in november late november and it concerns the matter of lighting it's a matter

[0:16:24] Voice 25: that it concerns both islands and in fact all of the gulf islands and elsewhere uh both in terms

[0:16:30] Voice 25: of protection of the night sky and avoiding nuisance lighting and I when I

[0:16:36] Voice 25: had sent the letter in November there was some discussion about when this

[0:16:39] Voice 25: might be addressed and ultimately there was confusion we thought it would be

[0:16:44] Voice 25: just today but it was actually put forward or my letter was shared in

[0:16:48] Voice 25: January does suffice it to say I was not here and I didn't know that so I'm

[0:16:52] Voice 25: speaking a bit late and also with some degree of frustration because I'm

[0:16:59] Voice 25: responding to what the minutes i i was preparing for today so i went back in january and mr uh

[0:17:06] Voice 25: brent had been in attendance and in my view was very dismissive of the letter suggesting that i

[0:17:13] Voice 25: was simply complaining about a one-time problem and i should go and deal with enforcement well

[0:17:20] Voice 25: i'm back here today to say and i've provided you again with the letter in hard copy with a few

[0:17:25] Voice 25: highlights, that these issues relate to all of us. I've spoken to many people across Kendra and

[0:17:32] Voice 25: other islands who agree that we need to have some basic information available, some structure,

[0:17:39] Voice 25: dare I say, some rules that define what constitutes a nuisance and also gives credence to the fact

[0:17:48] Voice 25: that there are many interests, not just human beings, but our nocturnal animal friends, plant

[0:17:53] Voice 25: light there's a whole bunch of issues that relate to lighting and at the moment there is no guidance

[0:17:58] Voice 25: at all uh in terms of what's permissible what's not permissible how we make a complaint in the

[0:18:04] Voice 25: face of nuisance or how we make a complaint when we're feeling that um um you know there's

[0:18:11] Voice 25: excessive lighting being uh permitted um given the time frame i'm not going to read out my letter

[0:18:18] Voice 25: but i made it very clear this affects many interests i made it clear that it's many interests

[0:18:25] Voice 25: that need to be protected under our mission of preserve and protect it makes no sense

[0:18:30] Voice 25: if we're worried about our environment that we're not looking at how lighting impacts us

[0:18:34] Voice 25: and what i propose to do um off meeting is share with you some fascinating research that's going

[0:18:40] Voice 25: around worldwide about how our world is becoming over lit and it's actually impacting our brains

[0:18:47] Voice 25: let alone other elements of the environment.

[0:18:50] Voice 25: So I am here today to repeat my request

[0:18:53] Voice 25: that we be provided with information

[0:18:56] Voice 25: about what rules currently exist,

[0:18:58] Voice 25: who's in charge, who's there to enforce,

[0:19:00] Voice 25: how is it enforced.

[0:19:01] Voice 25: There's no point in me calling somebody up,

[0:19:04] Voice 25: first of all, I don't know who to call,

[0:19:05] Voice 25: to ask about the rules.

[0:19:07] Voice 25: My research shows me there's very little in the way.

[0:19:10] Voice 25: It's a CRD issue, that's why I was very disappointed

[0:19:13] Voice 25: with Mr. Brent's response.

[0:19:14] Voice 25: It's an Islands Trust issue.

[0:19:16] Voice 25: I know in our own bylaw, formerly 103, now 224, we deal with lighting and

[0:19:21] Voice 25: noise for home

[0:19:22] Voice 25: businesses and home industries.

[0:19:23] Voice 25: So there is some

[0:19:25] Voice 25: history about Island Cross taking a role and even our RCMP have been

[0:19:30] Voice 25: dragged into it with certain complaint mechanisms.

[0:19:33] Voice 25: So it is an issue.

[0:19:35] Voice 25: It's perhaps not right out there with housing.

[0:19:38] Voice 25: I'm all for our main project being housing, but it simply starts with some information

[0:19:43] Voice 25: And I volunteered to help wade through and have the discussion, but that's what I'm looking for, some discussion on the issue and how we might approach it in a practical and collaborative fashion.

[0:19:54] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:20:02] Voice 5: My name is Joyce Thayer, and I'm here to second

[0:20:05] Voice 24: Karen's submission and say that this is an issue that both of us have been approaching.

[0:20:11] Voice 5: For

[0:20:11] Voice 24: my understanding,

[0:20:14] Voice 5: the matter is something for the CRD, that there's no CRD lighting regulation whatsoever for any of the areas.

[0:20:24] Voice 5: And from what I see, this is something that would affect all of the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:20:30] Voice 5: And it's something that I would hope that we can approach regionally and approach with the CRD.

[0:20:37] Voice 5: So I'm hoping this is something you can bring up with press council.

[0:20:41] Voice 5: and that we

[0:20:43] Voice 24: can work together on that and again like Karen I've been talking to people about this

[0:20:48] Voice 24: and I have not talked to anyone who hasn't

[0:20:52] Voice 5: given me an example of something that's a problem for

[0:20:55] Voice 5: them relating to lighting so this I'm not suggesting anything prescriptive there's good

[0:21:02] Voice 5: bylaws in place in Vancouver there's a dark sky bylaw in Bowen Island there are good templates

[0:21:10] Voice 5: there already so this shouldn't be a heavy lift i think that you would find that people are

[0:21:17] Voice 5: generally on side with this and i'm just hoping that we get some movement forward and like karen

[0:21:23] Voice 5: i'm prepared to work with you to help facilitate this thank

[0:21:27] Voice 17: you i'm

[0:21:38] Voice 19: excavating i just wanted to

[0:21:39] Voice 19: read a uh quick note that i sent to the dress staff this morning uh regarding my situation

[0:21:43] Voice 19: so i'm just going to kind of read a line for line and my public speaking skills but

[0:21:47] Voice 19: uh yeah so it was dressed

[0:21:50] Voice 20: to these guys uh excluding my effect um reaching out to provide

[0:21:53] Voice 20: additional context regarding the active port washington corridor and seek guidance on insurance

[0:21:57] Voice 20: ensuring compliance with land use regulations for my business known as big digger mexican

[0:22:01] Voice 20: since early april 2011 i have successfully operated big digger mexican at the property

[0:22:07] Voice 20: located at 3334 port washington road

[0:22:09] Voice 20: sorry

[0:22:09] Voice 5: yeah

[0:22:11] Voice 20: um it's worth noting that prior to my business there was a garbage transfer

[0:22:20] Voice 20: station as well as boat and rv storage operating the same location since around

[0:22:24] Voice 20: 2005. uh the business endeavor

[0:22:28] Voice 20: began after careful community consultation and direction

[0:22:31] Voice 20: from island trust staff resulting in the issuance of a temporary use permit it is essential to

[0:22:37] Voice 20: understand that there has uh sorry that there has been continuous activity in this location

[0:22:42] Voice 20: for approximately 18 years all under the framework of a temporary use curve despite this history for

[0:22:48] Voice 20: the last two and a half years during the violence trust land use bylaw review we've been uncertain

[0:22:52] Voice 20: about the property zoning status with minimal communication from trust staff additionally our

[0:22:57] Voice 20: property has long been designated as light industrial and additional community plan

[0:23:01] Voice 20: we believe that the operation pits with the existing industrial businesses in the

[0:23:06] Voice 20: such businesses include Home Hardware, Publix Workyard, BC Hydro, as well as another septic and excavation company.

[0:23:13] Voice 20: Moving forward, I want to assure the community and neighbourhood properties that any temporary use or rezone application would not result in any operational changes to my business.

[0:23:22] Voice 20: While I acknowledge that I am nearing the maximum capacity of my current area, I am committed to utilizing it effectively and adhering to all relevant parameters.

[0:23:30] Voice 20: members. I'm aware that other properties in the area may have

[0:23:34] Voice 20: also been included in the industrial land use review and

[0:23:37] Voice 20: may face similar uncertainties. However, I must highlight a

[0:23:40] Voice 20: concerning situation involving a new neighbor who's expressed

[0:23:43] Voice 20: opposition to industrial activities in the area.

[0:23:46] Voice 20: Ironically, this neighbor and the previous owner have rented

[0:23:50] Voice 20: space for the past 25 years while seemingly bypassing

[0:23:56] Voice 20: critical land use processes and guidelines. The Gigamax

[0:23:59] Voice 20: X-raying plays a vital role in supporting essential community services on Pender, such as works for CRD, BC Ferries, fire department, RCMP, schools, health center, as well as private business owners.

[0:24:14] Voice 20: Our services range from snow removal, emergency call-ups, water and sewer repairs, snow removal, as I said, generally contributing to the overall welfare of the community.

[0:24:22] Voice 20: I strongly believe that Pender Island requires properly zoned land for industrial and commercial operations, especially considering the limited availability of such land.

[0:24:33] Voice 20: As such, I am seeking guidance from the LCT on Pender Island and being a responsible neighbour.

[0:24:39] Voice 20: Pender Island holds a significant importance to me and my family, as I have long-standing ties to the community.

[0:24:46] Voice 20: As we continue to develop our land in the rural and residential areas, my intention

[0:24:49] Voice 20: is to eventually build my family home and operate my business on the lower portion of

[0:24:53] Voice 20: the property.

[0:24:53] Voice 20: Thank your attention and matter of the court to achieving compliance with land use regulations.

[0:25:00] Voice 20: Sorry.

[0:25:00] Voice 20: Thank you very much.

[0:25:02] Voice 20: Thank you, Mr.

[0:25:03] Voice 20: My

[0:25:14] Voice 21: name is John Corbin.

[0:25:16] Voice 21: I'd like to briefly address the issues of the Island Trust structure, which Trustee

[0:25:21] Voice 21: Morrison raised.

[0:25:23] Voice 21: i would like to advocate that the trust returned to its structure similar to its inception in 1974

[0:25:32] Voice 21: and that the this particular local trust committee support a resolution to request the provincial

[0:25:39] Voice 21: government place the island's trust under the direct control of municipal affair that the

[0:25:45] Voice 21: province of abolish the trust council and the executive committee and replace both by small

[0:25:51] Voice 21: small director directorate of ministry employees as i said this would return the trust to its

[0:25:58] Voice 21: to something very similar to its original structure the new directors would be in charge

[0:26:04] Voice 21: in charge with ensuring the trust continues to meet its legal obligation and act as chairs of

[0:26:11] Voice 21: the local trust committees on return of course it's well known by some trustees that i would

[0:26:17] Voice 21: hope that this would eventually result in the dismantling of the trust the reasons for this

[0:26:24] Voice 21: recommendation can be reduced to one problem the trustees cannot control what has become

[0:26:31] Voice 21: an unaccountable provincial agency in victoria and the structure of the trust ensures that this

[0:26:37] Voice 21: problem will continue in the future one final unrelated comment i'd like to reply to your

[0:26:45] Voice 21: your assertion about the budget the trust budget this year increased by over 12 percent taxes did

[0:26:54] Voice 21: not increase by 12 percent because uh because of utilization of various uh various funds at a rate

[0:27:05] Voice 21: of 12 percent you are compound you start to compound the trust budget over time because

[0:27:13] Voice 21: that continued at that rate in six years the trust budget would double

[0:27:16] Voice 21: this is unacceptable to uh the communities in my view thank you thank you

[0:27:35] Voice 5: i'm sarah miles and i'm standing here now to express my support uh for the excellent letter

[0:27:43] Voice 5: are written by uh may and lester though thank you thank

[0:27:49] Voice 8: you anybody else wish to speak sketch

[0:27:56] Voice 6: um if i may and i'll sit here uh can the minute taker hear my voice michael sketch north pender

[0:28:03] Voice 6: island yeah i think i think we're good yeah i'm going to address uh a land zoned uh industrial

[0:28:16] Voice 6: hill but which is in remains in the alr it is has been for many decades and for the foreseeable

[0:28:24] Voice 6: future will remain in the alr and the alr the agricultural land reserve is um is governed by the

[0:28:33] Voice 6: the land commission the provincial body whose laws supersede north panders and but recently

[0:28:41] Voice 6: Recently, bylaw, the land use bylaw included new permissions, land use permissions for that land, which are in fact in contravention of ALC non-farm use permissions.

[0:28:55] Voice 6: The ALC has never given permission for both storage nor for the accessory buildings, and there was no application to the land commission for the same.

[0:29:04] Voice 6: So those, although it is unlikely the bylaws would be challenged provincially in the courts,

[0:29:13] Voice 6: they, under Section 46 of the ALC Act, have no force or effect.

[0:29:19] Voice 6: But far more important, the ALC Act, which takes precedence, requires that laws not contravene ALC regulation, which they have.

[0:29:32] Voice 6: and i'll give a little bit of background to that if i may um the fact which i i believe to be

[0:29:40] Voice 6: correct is that on that alr land which is prime it was uh under the kind of land use land inventory

[0:29:52] Voice 6: given an improved class to agricultural capability which means that um it is prime

[0:30:00] Voice 6: agricultural soil and uh with that background i was sorry that the the preservation protection

[0:30:09] Voice 6: of that soil should be secure under both the islands trust act the trust object and section

[0:30:17] Voice 6: six of the land commission act which which requires the commission to preserve farmland

[0:30:26] Voice 6: residents of the trust area assume that respect for the preserve and protect trust object is

[0:30:31] Voice 6: implicit in ltc actions in fact under section 4 of the act the ltc is continued that is the ltc

[0:30:39] Voice 6: exists in order to carry out the object a powerful directive would you not say now consider preservation

[0:30:47] Voice 6: and protection of the best agricultural soils which one day may be necessary to sustain

[0:30:53] Voice 6: human built environment on north bender for the 13 percent of trust area land in the agricultural

[0:31:00] Voice 6: land reserve, the ALR, Section 6 of the ALC Act is applicable, that the ALR be preserved

[0:31:08] Voice 6: as law.

[0:31:10] Voice 6: Again, a directive, but how effective are they?

[0:31:16] Voice 6: For prime agricultural soil, with both ALC and honest trust protection, there should

[0:31:23] Voice 6: then be absolute certainty for protection and preservation of agricultural capability

[0:31:27] Voice 6: capability and trust area, local jurisdictions such as North Tender.

[0:31:32] Voice 6: The ALC Act takes precedence over Islands Trust zoning the land in the ALR.

[0:31:39] Voice 6: Here's a particular case for protection to west to the west of the natural

[0:31:44] Voice 6: boundary with the ocean at Hamilton Cove, Browning Harbor on North Tender.

[0:31:50] Voice 6: The land slopes up gently over thousands

[0:31:54] Voice 6: thousands of years, a greater depth of topsoil should have accumulated at the downhill end

[0:31:59] Voice 6: of the valley. That could be reasonably expected. That land is in the ALR. It's a narrow strip

[0:32:06] Voice 6: of the parcel above the natural boundary, where the slope is 30%. That's steep with

[0:32:13] Voice 6: inferior soil. That strip was not included in the ALR and was zoned rural by the Islands

[0:32:21] Voice 6: Trust. The greater part of the oceanfront parcel was a change of title in 2012 assessed with

[0:32:29] Voice 6: predominant improved class 2 agricultural capability soil. That's prime. The record shows

[0:32:36] Voice 6: that a year before change of title, land incorrectly zoned industrial by the Islands Trust

[0:32:42] Voice 6: was capable of supporting agriculture. That was an assessment by a registered professional

[0:32:48] Voice 6: agricultural agrologists, supported by analysing the soil as a function of depth in borehole.

[0:32:57] Voice 6: The Islands Trust and the Land Commission have all this information.

[0:33:02] Voice 6: Probably to support an Islands Trust industrial zoning which conflicted with ALC protection,

[0:33:09] Voice 6: from December 2012, topsoil immediately to the west of that zone was scraped aside and

[0:33:16] Voice 6: fill place, witness a resonance photography and satellite imagery. Applications to the ALC for

[0:33:25] Voice 6: non-farm uses which may have been thought to justify industrial zoning ultimately failed.

[0:33:33] Voice 6: Immediately it appears an ALC 2021 conditional exclusion of the industrial zone land

[0:33:40] Voice 6: in the ALR has itself failed by having exceeding the three-year allowance for satisfaction

[0:33:48] Voice 6: of conditions of approval. Further, requests for reconsideration of the ALC Exclusion Inclusion

[0:33:57] Voice 6: Decision of 17th of March 2021, that's more than three years ago, have not yet been heard.

[0:34:05] Voice 6: Whatever the failings of consultant, staff process and decision makers of the LCC Corporation,

[0:34:12] Voice 6: Corporation and apparent failings by the ALC Island panel, the fact is that the subject

[0:34:18] Voice 6: land is in the ALR and in the foreseeable future will remain in the ALR.

[0:34:24] Voice 6: But we just have to get you to rest it up a bit.

[0:34:26] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:34:27] Voice 6: To demonstrate consistency of Islands Trust actions with the provincial ALC Act, I ask

[0:34:33] Voice 6: that the Islands Trust do several things, and I'll mention the first and submit the

[0:34:38] Voice 6: rest to you in writing that islands trust zoning for the greater portion of the i1b or g1b

[0:34:45] Voice 6: industrial zone which is in the in the alr be rezoned agriculture so removing both storage

[0:34:53] Voice 6: and buildings and structures accessory to that land use from committed uses in the land use

[0:34:59] Voice 6: final thank you thank you mr sketch does anybody

[0:35:03] Voice 15: else have anything

[0:35:18] Voice 5: going down and i just have a question right

[0:35:23] Voice 15: if you just speak up

[0:35:24] Voice 15: um i

[0:35:30] Voice 5: have a question for the trust and i've been here now for about 20 years i think it passed

[0:35:36] Voice 5: If there was an issue that affected the particular neighborhood, the people would be informed

[0:35:44] Voice 5: of the issue and of the documentation that was in place on it prior to the meeting.

[0:35:51] Voice 5: That isn't happening anymore.

[0:35:54] Voice 5: Is it possible that, for instance, the hardware store applied for commercial, it was commercial

[0:36:07] Voice 5: and applied for industrial zoning and were informed about that when that was in progress.

[0:36:16] Voice 5: and programs so is it possible that the area immediately affected by the possible decisions

[0:36:26] Voice 5: be informed prior to the meeting yeah

[0:36:30] Voice 15: i think you want to outline the notification process

[0:36:33] Voice 15: there is

[0:36:34] Voice 14: a notification process for temporary use permits development variance permits

[0:36:39] Voice 14: rezoning applications whereby it is required that all properties within 100 meters

[0:36:45] Voice 14: years? That is the current process.

[0:36:49] Voice 5: Okay, so that is still in place.

[0:36:51] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:36:52] Voice 14: They

[0:36:52] Voice 5: must have missed you.

[0:36:54] Voice 5: I'm

[0:36:54] Voice 14: not sure of the history of the rezoning of the hardware store.

[0:36:59] Voice 14: When did that occur?

[0:37:00] Voice 14: The rezoning?

[0:37:01] Voice 14: Or I'm not sure what the...

[0:37:03] Voice 14: I don't know. It

[0:37:04] Voice 5: wasn't informed.

[0:37:06] Voice 5: Well,

[0:37:07] Voice 14: they wouldn't have. They would have definitely sent if there was an actual

[0:37:11] Voice 14: application before the trust and they got to a place where uh it for rezoning it would become

[0:37:18] Voice 14: before the public hearing yeah so if the local trust committee uh it still would uh if it didn't

[0:37:25] Voice 14: if you haven't so that's what it's always been in place okay

[0:37:28] Voice 5: because i remember when i spoke to you

[0:37:33] Voice 5: the election campaign and already then it wasn't happening so the

[0:37:40] Voice 3: um just to be clear the hardware

[0:37:43] Voice 3: store sorry i don't have all the zoning in my head for the entire island so the the hardware

[0:37:47] Voice 3: store is not commercial it's industrial uh and i'd be told yeah i know we should

[0:37:52] Voice 3: just verify that

[0:37:53] Voice 3: because i just want to make sure that

[0:37:54] Voice 14: that is it is an industrial like it is in your industrial

[0:37:58] Voice 14: zoning and it has a site specific that allows it only to sell with retail hardware okay so that's

[0:38:06] Voice 3: been in place for a long time because we didn't i haven't touched that

[0:38:09] Voice 14: unless you did something

[0:38:10] Voice 14: in your land use bylaw review that i'm aware of to change any of that something then then

[0:38:16] Voice 14: it

[0:38:17] Voice 24: was commercial and then when i came back and it was i was told

[0:38:25] Voice 14: it was industrial i think it's

[0:38:26] Voice 14: always been an industrial zone it's always

[0:38:28] Voice 5: my house it's

[0:38:31] Voice 14: in the general industrial zone and

[0:38:33] Voice 14: it's site-specific zones and

[0:38:35] Voice 3: just to be clear an industrial zoning on this island generally speaking

[0:38:40] Voice 3: they're site-specific zoning so that you can't do every industrial activity on any piece of

[0:38:46] Voice 3: industrial land it has to be very specific so it would it would

[0:38:49] Voice 5: be limited if it is in the

[0:38:51] Voice 5: industrial planning apparently i have found out so what is my house

[0:38:55] Voice 3: yeah that's not a hundred

[0:38:57] Voice 3: percent that's the ocp so the official community plan has like what it was done in 2007 i believe

[0:39:05] Voice 3: the community defined areas where they were would consider industrial and there was industrial

[0:39:11] Voice 3: consideration up in that so there's several properties like writing names and i think

[0:39:14] Voice 3: sarah's property might be named potential industrial that does not mean it's industrial

[0:39:19] Voice 3: it just means it could be right and so the applicant who owns that land would have to

[0:39:25] Voice 3: apply for the rezoning if they wanted it when we did the land use bylaw um sort of review last

[0:39:31] Voice 3: term we looked at some of those properties and the one of the other trustees was interested in

[0:39:36] Voice 3: potentially having more industrial land up there like actual zoned industrial land but we pulled

[0:39:41] Voice 3: away because i went and talked to everybody up there and it was like zero interest in like big

[0:39:46] Voice 3: industrial zone out there so we pulled that back from the land use bylaw review so it wasn't

[0:39:51] Voice 3: included the only thing that was included was waste management we made sure we got waste management

[0:39:55] Voice 3: since that was such a chaos in our community so so we

[0:40:01] Voice 15: thank you very much

[0:40:02] Voice 3: but we can follow up

[0:40:04] Voice 3: too a little bit right look with the map and just like look at what the timeline was on that yeah

[0:40:11] Voice 14: the zoning is general industrial a and here's what it is allowed to do

[0:40:17] Voice 14: Well, this allowed the hotel and retail sales of building, gardening, landscape materials

[0:40:23] Voice 14: and supplies, and propane sales and accessory buildings and structures, and storage and

[0:40:31] Voice 14: handling of goods, materials and equipment other than dangerous or hazardous material

[0:40:35] Voice 14: salvage for the vehicle purchase grant.

[0:40:37] Voice 14: So it's a site-specific and general industrial zone property, and there's a table in the

[0:40:45] Voice 14: land use bylaw that gives the site specific regulations for each of these properties

[0:40:50] Voice 14: g1 or gia gip so and i don't and and perhaps there's a bit of confusion in that

[0:40:58] Voice 14: was it part of maybe the land use it

[0:41:00] Voice 3: was originally part of it

[0:41:01] Voice 14: so maybe that was where

[0:41:02] Voice 14: some of your confusion was that it was originally part of their considerations but when they

[0:41:08] Voice 14: actually got to changing the bylaws they had dropped that part from their yeah kind of project

[0:41:14] Voice 14: because

[0:41:15] Voice 3: of feedback from community that that's not people wanted them any industrial activity

[0:41:19] Voice 3: that happens on land here the community basically wants applicants to come forward one at a time

[0:41:25] Voice 3: yeah

[0:41:25] Voice 14: and that's why we're coming forward with the rezoning application and this uh great engineer as

[0:41:31] Voice 14: well for people this property

[0:41:33] Voice 8: okay so briefly

[0:41:35] Voice 15: mr sketch uh

[0:41:36] Voice 6: extraordinarily in this last land use

[0:41:38] Voice 6: by-law review whereas almost invariably a change of zoning significant changes zoning the landowner

[0:41:45] Voice 6: makes application the planner and the planner was changed uh midway through the process um

[0:41:53] Voice 6: there were new changes there were changes made in the land use file to zoning and the change

[0:41:59] Voice 6: commercial to industrial was one of those the port washington dock was zoned residential

[0:42:05] Voice 6: out of the blue, no application from the landowner, it created havoc in the minds of some residents.

[0:42:13] Voice 6: And so probably there wouldn't be notification because it wasn't an application. It was done

[0:42:18] Voice 6: by the planner, considered by the LTC, and it went ahead. I ask that that never be done

[0:42:24] Voice 6: again.

[0:42:27] Voice 15: Well, the difficulty with that is that that's why we do land use by law reviews is we do

[0:42:33] Voice 15: rather than one application at a time.

[0:42:35] Voice 15: Sometimes there's some broader

[0:42:36] Voice 15: interest.

[0:42:39] Voice 15: There were

[0:42:40] Voice 8: no applications to me.

[0:42:42] Voice 8: I'm a lot better.

[0:42:44] Voice 8: Anybody else?

[0:42:49] Voice 8: Don't do that.

[0:42:52] Voice 4: Julian Nichols, can everybody hear me?

[0:42:54] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:42:57] Voice 4: First of all, I would like to thank you

[0:42:59] Voice 4: for having a town hall.

[0:43:00] Voice 4: If I was a trustee, I wouldn't enjoy them at all.

[0:43:03] Voice 4: I'm very afraid of you.

[0:43:05] Voice 4: you um and uh you're taking on a lot of things uh the the the idea of uh the structure of the

[0:43:15] Voice 4: islands trust i think there's major problems and um it's so complicated

[0:43:23] Voice 4: i can't figure it out myself there are so many levels of government uh and they run into um

[0:43:32] Voice 4: um conflict uh you've given a mandate to enforce and you don't have the power and the laws to

[0:43:42] Voice 4: enforce many things uh we have a provincial government that is allowing old growth to fall

[0:43:49] Voice 4: there are no rules around many things that you should have rules around and you should have the

[0:43:57] Voice 4: power and uh so then you're caught from what i can uh have learned is that you're caught trying to

[0:44:06] Voice 4: uh preserve and protect while not having the laws to do so um the uh at the ocp

[0:44:18] Voice 4: which i now understand is this structure that the community gives input on um

[0:44:26] Voice 4: And I understand there's still short-term rentals that have been given out, and that's under the variance stuff, which is the little bit of power that you have.

[0:44:43] Voice 4: And we have 4815 Schooner, and that has really tried the DPAs.

[0:44:51] Voice 4: In our previous conversations, it's come out that the DPAs, there's a really hard time enforcing these DPAs and that the fact that you all valiantly stood up against giving a permit and insisting on getting quotes for getting this work done is really good.

[0:45:19] Voice 4: and now we're we're having a problem um the people who own the land are not cooperating

[0:45:28] Voice 4: uh it's hard to get quotes the quotes have to be reasonable uh there's one argument that why

[0:45:36] Voice 4: have bpas when they're not enforceable and i want to reiterate what i've said before

[0:45:42] Voice 4: for you have laws and they're hard to enforce.

[0:45:47] Voice 4: Like you're not allowed to commit any murder,

[0:45:50] Voice 4: but that is very hard to prove that somebody has done it,

[0:45:54] Voice 4: but that's no reason to get rid of the law.

[0:45:57] Voice 4: And it seems extreme to bring up murder,

[0:46:02] Voice 4: but our trees are falling.

[0:46:05] Voice 4: We have had two properties that have been clear cut

[0:46:10] Voice 4: and we have to have those laws and we have to do what we can with what we have and we have dpas and

[0:46:20] Voice 4: it looks like the only thing that we do have i understand that you're reviewing the raptors dpa

[0:46:28] Voice 4: stuff across uh the island and i really appreciate that work um regarding the uh

[0:46:39] Voice 4: 4815, again, about those people not cooperating.

[0:46:47] Voice 4: It's coming down to, they won't get the quotes,

[0:46:52] Voice 4: and there's going to have been a schmuzzle with them getting a quote

[0:46:56] Voice 4: from a biologist who doesn't know the work that's involved.

[0:47:02] Voice 4: And I would like to suggest on that that we do get three quotes ourselves, given that they don't do the quotes for us, just as an option.

[0:47:14] Voice 4: And I also hear the fact that the Islands Trust has all this to do, a limited budget, and budgets are always limiting.

[0:47:30] Voice 4: um but i really encourage you to try and do what you can what you are doing uh on enforcing

[0:47:39] Voice 4: this dpa and making um making this island not run by business and money that we have

[0:47:51] Voice 4: have an island that is rural, that does something about the most vulnerable,

[0:47:59] Voice 4: makes housing more affordable for people without money,

[0:48:07] Voice 4: that means really watching the STRs.

[0:48:12] Voice 4: If people can't do short-term rentals, they're more likely to do long-term rentals,

[0:48:19] Voice 4: and that will

[0:48:20] Voice 4: help the most vulnerable um and i i just really appreciate people coming

[0:48:27] Voice 4: with uh issues that seem small but are really big like lighting um we have to look after

[0:48:36] Voice 4: our wildlife um so the last time i went to the trust council to speak i went into a room with

[0:48:46] Voice 4: huge beautiful banners preserve and protect and it felt like they were doing the opposite

[0:48:53] Voice 4: they were supporting money and business and i just encourage you with the trust that you have

[0:49:02] Voice 4: to um look after our island and look after our animals uh stop these clear cuts one way or

[0:49:11] Voice 4: another and use every tool in the box that you have which isn't much and i appreciate that so

[0:49:18] Voice 4: thank you thank

[0:49:20] Voice 10: you anybody else wish to speak

[0:49:25] Voice 10: hi so just it's currently a work just a very quick question is it brad yes i'm sorry hi i'm

[0:49:31] Voice 10: robin pettifer my brother hi nice to meet you first um my brother is trying to get into the

[0:49:37] Voice 10: meeting emily sent him a link but he hasn't been let in that's all i'll let them believe

[0:49:41] Voice 10: adrian thank you

[0:49:43] Voice 15: thank you very much cheers um

[0:49:46] Voice 5: i'm i'm june milligan i have a dp dvp application

[0:49:52] Voice 5: on the books i don't know if

[0:49:53] Voice 5: this is my time to speak no you'll

[0:49:54] Voice 15: be able to speak

[0:49:55] Voice 8: so to

[0:49:58] Voice 15: be clear the applicants when we get each application they have to speak to it

[0:50:03] Voice 15: but members of the public, this is the time for you to speak to an application.

[0:50:09] Voice 15: There's sort of a separation there.

[0:50:12] Okay, if that's it.

[0:50:14] I was very negligent.

[0:50:16] I didn't realize that we had a guest at the end of the meeting.

[0:50:22] We have the department chief of North Panther, who's

[0:50:25] Voice 15: here to make a presentation.

[0:50:26] Voice 5: Just to have a conversation.

[0:50:30] Voice 5: So we'll turn it over.

[0:50:31] Voice 5: Do you want me to preface it with anything?

[0:50:34] Voice 5: yeah

[0:50:34] Voice 3: maybe if we can both name some of the things that we're hoping to like just have a conversation

[0:50:39] Voice 3: with you about um and questions that you know the fire questions that have come up in community but

[0:50:44] Voice 3: we're hearing some of the more land use planning so one of the things that i would love to try and

[0:50:49] Voice 3: work out with the fire department and just um figure out as part of our housing work too

[0:50:53] Voice 3: like kind of how it fits into that is unique for ponds for stored water for firefighting

[0:50:59] Voice 3: accessibility like that type of like what is the work that you're doing around that or how can we

[0:51:04] Voice 3: help in any of that um like i know darcy island has like zoned cisterns like located around the

[0:51:10] Voice 3: island is that something we could do is that something that's needed um pond access should

[0:51:15] Voice 3: be like require that to be in zoning like given the fire department a standpipe or something

[0:51:20] Voice 3: so like that kind of question is the questions i have um and then it would be helpful to um you

[0:51:26] Voice 3: when we were at the um community neighborhood network and you talked about wildfire at the hall

[0:51:32] Voice 3: you talked to all of the like monitors for all the neighborhoods on the island you shared about

[0:51:38] Voice 3: wildfires yeah helpful to give your like elevator speech on like what's the wildfire risk it's my

[0:51:44] Voice 7: elevator speech yeah

[0:51:45] Voice 7: that's

[0:51:46] Voice 3: why i said that because it needs

[0:51:48] Voice 7: to be a really long elevator

[0:52:03] Voice 5: okay

[0:52:03] Voice 12: well that's pretty much what i thought you were you know want to talk about um so i have a

[0:52:09] Voice 12: i there's the topic of wildfire protection from wildfires on everybody's mind and people come

[0:52:18] Voice 12: at it from various different directions and the part that i find myself the role i find myself

[0:52:26] Voice 12: playing often is trying to explain to people what the risks are here in our community versus what

[0:52:35] Voice 12: they see in the media and what they see in the interior so i'm going to start with my

[0:52:42] Voice 12: my perspective on wildfire and I'm going to try to demonstrate show you guys I do this at every

[0:52:50] Voice 12: opportunity I have to the public what are the positive things that you have going for you

[0:52:56] Voice 12: in your community to keep you safe because my primary goal objection is public safety

[0:53:03] Voice 12: um i spend most of my working days focused on public safety both you your lives most importantly

[0:53:12] and property secondly

[0:53:14] Voice 12: property can be replaced your lives can't so everything i view i view

[0:53:20] Voice 12: through the lens of public safety that's that's the perspective i always take and part of that

[0:53:25] Voice 12: view is assessing what those risks are really are not what they're perceived to be so and i

[0:53:33] Voice 12: I've tried to balance our resources and the application of those resources to the most important, highest risks.

[0:53:41] Voice 12: So if you ask anybody on the street in British Columbia what their biggest risk is in their face, they would probably say wildfire.

[0:53:52] Voice 12: And then the next thing they're going to talk about is the causes.

[0:53:56] Voice 12: They're going to talk about climate change.

[0:53:58] Voice 12: They're going to talk about all those things.

[0:54:00] Voice 12: So if they're really getting switched on, they'll talk about pine beetle kills, that's killed, you know, thousands and thousands of trees in the interior and created a standing inferno.

[0:54:13] Voice 12: But most people are going to say wildfire. So I think that would be consistent here on the island. The calls I get at work often are about wildfire and what they can do.

[0:54:23] Voice 12: Some people are so panicked and worked up that I fear that they're going to have a heart attack.

[0:54:29] Voice 12: Like the people's level of anxiety when we're on fire is extremely high.

[0:54:36] Voice 12: And to the point where they're causing themselves more damage than good.

[0:54:44] Voice 12: Recently, I'll just tell you a story, a short story.

[0:54:47] Voice 12: story. One of our residents, long-time resident, came in to see me, sort of walked through

[0:54:55] Voice 12: the office at a very brisk pace. And, you know, that's not good, right? When you see

[0:55:00] Voice 12: that coming in, it's like, and a beeline for my desk, and it's like, we need to talk.

[0:55:07] Voice 12: Okay, great. So let's talk. So this resident, sweet human being, terrified. It was a great

[0:55:17] Voice 12: deal with property um and wanted me to teach him the principles of wildfire suppression

[0:55:27] Voice 12: i'm not kidding it's a man in his 70s and he wanted me to put him on a course teach him how

[0:55:35] Voice 12: to fight wildfires because in his mind nobody's going to be there for him when the fire rolls in

[0:55:41] Voice 12: and he's going to have to protect his property and you probably saw pictures in the media of

[0:55:47] Voice 12: those branches in the interior that stood brave and protected their property quite a different

[0:55:54] Voice 12: circumstance than what we're in here but uh those those men and women were protecting their

[0:56:00] Voice 12: livestock in their livelihoods uh we are usually just protecting a structure which to me is like

[0:56:07] Voice 12: not quite as good um i know you probably don't like to hear that but

[0:56:13] Voice 12: lives are important structures just buildings um so anyway i had to spend quite a bit of time

[0:56:22] Voice 12: explaining to him that no one individual could stand up to a wildfire the picture of the fire

[0:56:28] Voice 12: that he's seeing in his mind are like those images you saw in the news with that blazing inferno

[0:56:34] Voice 12: with flames 50 60 feet in the air coming out overhead at 60 kilometers an hour that's what

[0:56:42] Voice 12: he's picturing in his mind that's what they call a rank five rank six fire that's a big fire that

[0:56:49] Voice 12: fire if it were in fact coming at you you you you could have a hundred hoses stretched

[0:56:59] Voice 12: spraying water and it would do nothing it'd be like peeing on a campfire it's going to just

[0:57:05] Voice 12: evaporate nothing's going to happen that fire is not going to stop so one man standing in his forest

[0:57:11] Voice 12: forest with the equivalent of a garden hose is not going to stop the fire. If the fire

[0:57:18] Voice 12: is that big coming at you, you should have been gone days ago, right? So it's a vision

[0:57:25] Voice 12: that we have to overcome, but that is the vision that most people have. They visualize

[0:57:29] Voice 12: that big, huge fire coming at us. Here's what we have in place on Pender Island that keeps

[0:57:37] Voice 12: keeps us safe. You guys, we have thousands of eyes on the land. They're all pretty close

[0:57:46] Voice 12: together. Those huge infernos that start in the interior start in 10,000 acres of woods,

[0:57:54] Voice 12: no humans for miles. They don't see those fires until they see them from the satellite.

[0:58:01] Voice 12: That's how big they are. That's how big they are when they see them for the first time.

[0:58:07] Voice 12: on Pender Island you light a campfire on the bluffs and the people on the island

[0:58:12] Voice 12: are joining us or phoning us and saying there's a campfire over there but usually they call it

[0:58:17] Voice 12: it as a major fire because when over the water it looks like this blazing inferno and get there

[0:58:22] Voice 12: and you're doing your prevention and you get there this guy's got a little campfire like this you

[0:58:28] Voice 12: know with this pot of beans on there and a few weenies um it's usually not the case but we have

[0:58:34] Voice 12: excellent fire watchers. In 25 years on this island I've been to and suppressed about 20 bushfires

[0:58:44] Voice 12: and those bushfires are very typical of what we get on the penders, not just the penders but all

[0:58:52] Voice 12: the gulf islands. The biggest fire I've seen on the gulf islands in that same period of time is

[0:58:59] Voice 12: the one in Galliana. My young cadets went over there and got to help stamp out all the spot fires

[0:59:05] Voice 12: and it was crooked. But even that fire was about five acres. So again, we got to put

[0:59:16] Voice 12: this in perspective. It's five acre fire. Think about all the fires you hear about on

[0:59:21] Voice 12: the news that are coming, that they're talking about with their own weather systems. These

[0:59:26] Voice 12: are thousands and thousands of acres. That's a ball of fire coming at you that is unconceivable.

[0:59:33] Voice 12: You don't see that in our developed to that stage in our land because you've got so many

[0:59:41] Voice 12: people watching it.

[0:59:42] Voice 12: So what happens is we get early detection.

[0:59:46] Voice 12: So our highest risks are really in those, we have some larger tracks of land, but they're

[0:59:56] Voice 12: not populated.

[0:59:57] Voice 12: So that means the risk is actually

[1:00:00] Voice 12: less people are risk but people also have eyes on them on the fires so it's a

[1:00:08] Voice 12: double-edged sword people cause fires next to lightning they're the major

[1:00:13] Voice 12: cause of fires the province lightning was first thankfully we don't get a lot

[1:00:18] Voice 12: lately so that's another plus most of our people live in magically what 80% of

[1:00:26] Voice 12: our population lives in Magic Lake. The lots are small, third acre, so they're easily seen from the

[1:00:34] Voice 12: road. They have a fire pit in the middle of the development with two fire trucks, thousands of

[1:00:41] Voice 12: gallons of water. They have the majority of our firefighters who live in Magic Lake who respond

[1:00:48] Voice 12: to that call. You're not going to believe it, but within three or four minutes, those firefighters

[1:00:53] Voice 12: fighters are leaving that hall i mean that's a city response but it's incredible we have some

[1:00:58] Voice 12: very dedicated people in that area so we get the call right away believe me even when they're

[1:01:03] Voice 12: lighting a permitted fire i get calls so you get calls all the time it's like a steady stream

[1:01:09] Voice 12: get them at home sometimes so i turn them off when i go to meetings so um but that's great right

[1:01:17] Voice 12: because better to get the call and then we go check it out and find out it's okay than to not

[1:01:22] Voice 12: get the call and the fire becomes large so what has happened traditionally over the last quarter

[1:01:28] Voice 12: century is that every time we get these little fires start somebody calls it in almost immediately

[1:01:35] Voice 12: we pull up with a truck with a thousand gallons of water on it and we put it up it's not rocket

[1:01:42] Voice 12: science put the water on the fire we put it up we've got firefighters there to do that that's

[1:01:49] Voice 12: what keeps us safe. Your fire department is there in minutes. The longest response time

[1:01:55] Voice 12: on the islands would be 20 minutes. That's the longest. So forest fires in my experience

[1:02:07] Voice 12: never get beyond rank two or rank three fire, which is basically a ground fire. Ground fire

[1:02:15] Voice 12: we can put out with our hoses and a truck full of water. Those huge fires that you see

[1:02:21] Voice 12: are like viruses, fires, those are tornadoes. Those are huge fires. We couldn't put those out.

[1:02:28] Voice 12: So we have to make sure we don't get there. So that's the other thing to lead to

[1:02:37] Voice 12: Deb's question for water supplies. That's the other thing you need, right? To fight a fire.

[1:02:44] Voice 12: You need a fire truck. You need firefighters. Most of you need water. You can't do anything

[1:02:50] Voice 12: out water you can have a million dollar truck great trained personnel but if you don't have

[1:02:56] Voice 12: water you can't put the fire again you don't need a science degree to figure this out right what

[1:03:02] Voice 12: puts a fire out either take the oxygen out the water out i'll cool it down or you take out the

[1:03:08] Voice 12: fuel there's only three ways to do it so if i'm gonna do it with in magic lake it's great i got

[1:03:14] Voice 12: a fire hydrant every 500 feet so i'm within 500 feet anywhere i am in all of magic lake where 85

[1:03:23] Voice 12: percent of my population lives i've got a water supply and that's a great public safety thing

[1:03:31] Voice 12: because i can fight a fire there and i have the ability to put it out so the rest of pender island

[1:03:39] Voice 12: we have only trincomalee that has a hydrogen system again fantastic again a pretty dense

[1:03:45] Voice 12: little populated area the rest of the area we don't have water supplies believe it or not it's

[1:03:54] Voice 12: always been a requisite a requisite that when people develop their property they're supposed

[1:03:58] Voice 12: to put in a cistern for water supply or a pond it's never been enforced on penderhook so we

[1:04:08] Voice 12: except for when they do subdivision developments and you can see how that worked because we have

[1:04:16] Voice 12: have several subdivisions that have happened and one of them, which is my favourite, is

[1:04:21] Voice 12: they made them put a water system in and then they pulled it all out after it was done.

[1:04:24] Voice 12: So now we don't have that. Yeah, it's crazy and it's frustrating and thankfully it's far

[1:04:35] Voice 12: less people than it is our most populated area so it's less risk but at the same time

[1:04:41] Voice 12: it's a constant worry so we have we have a two trucks that are carrying a higher volume of water

[1:04:49] Voice 12: we use those to shuttle water back and forth to a to a structure fire from the nearest water source

[1:04:56] Voice 12: we also have identified all every single water supply on henry island gps mix we've gone into

[1:05:05] Voice 12: that each one of them found out whether they're accessible by truck we have all of that information

[1:05:10] Voice 12: on him and in an emergency we can take the water we don't need permission so people are very

[1:05:17] Voice 12: have a misconception that they think i need to have permission to go on their landing at water

[1:05:22] Voice 12: i don't um it's one of my few powers it's one of my few superpowers and i can actually do that

[1:05:31] Voice 12: get away with it whereas uh so many other things i can't do so but the water's there

[1:05:39] Voice 12: What makes it really fantastic is if we're able to develop that water supply and put a standpipe in.

[1:05:46] Voice 12: So the problem with the pond full of water is you've got to get the water out of the pond and into your truck.

[1:05:53] Voice 12: And without going into a huge hydraulic lesson, you can only suck the water so many feet in the air.

[1:06:01] Voice 12: so if it's not if you can't just go to the ocean and drop your hose in because most of the time the

[1:06:06] Voice 12: ocean is too many feet away from you you can only rise when you get 15 feet and you're out of

[1:06:11] Voice 12: the head pressure takes over you can't suck it out simple as that so you have to be able to get

[1:06:17] Voice 12: right up to it and you have to be able to not draw too high so that means water supplies are

[1:06:24] Voice 12: excess and i wouldn't be able to use them in immersion i would have to deploy a hand pump and

[1:06:33] Voice 12: then put the water to the nearest roadway that i could do depending on whether the rise is high

[1:06:40] Voice 12: because i mean picture if a slope that was as high as this roof i wouldn't be able to pump up that

[1:06:46] Voice 12: slope so limited right that's why people often think well you got water everywhere which you

[1:06:52] Voice 12: worry i don't i only have accessible water in very few places so what could the what could the trust

[1:07:00] Voice 12: do to help me it is definitely uh would come to zoning because permission to use the water

[1:07:08] Voice 12: to to develop this site that's wrong i have enough the permission to go and get that water

[1:07:13] Voice 12: in an emergency but i do not have the authority to go into somebody's property and develop an

[1:07:18] Voice 12: access to the pond i need i need to get a permission to do that and not every landowner

[1:07:24] Voice 12: is is that willing to give me that permission um some people draw the line there they come up and

[1:07:30] Voice 12: they say hey i got this pond you know you could use it if you needed an emergency that's great

[1:07:36] Voice 12: do you mind if we put an access in there and a dry standpipe oh no no sorry my wife will never

[1:07:42] Voice 12: go for that so why

[1:07:46] Voice 5: is that what somebody say no

[1:07:48] Voice 12: aesthetics generally so

[1:07:51] Voice 5: it's a big structure

[1:07:52] Voice 12: yeah it's well it's not pretty it's a driveway that goes up to the pond

[1:07:57] Voice 12: and uh it has a big pipe going out so yeah it's not pretty

[1:08:02] Voice 23: and

[1:08:04] Voice 12: that's the other thing

[1:08:05] Voice 12: who would pay for it um we have had we had some wonderful property owners that

[1:08:11] Voice 12: have offered to pay for that expense your fire department has also found money on a couple of

[1:08:20] Voice 12: occasions to put in a stamp it's about five or six thousand dollars for the stamp pipe and it's

[1:08:24] Voice 12: another four or five thousand to develop a little driveway i mean that's what it used to cost in

[1:08:30] Voice 12: 2010. if maybe it's a fifty thousand dollars now everything seems to be ridiculously overpriced

[1:08:37] Voice 3: but can i add something to that yeah so there is money right now through the federal government

[1:08:42] Voice 3: for climate action planning um and so it is something that crd and the trust together could

[1:08:48] Voice 3: figure out where those sites were could like go for the trust really only needs to be involved

[1:08:53] Voice 3: from the perspective of if there's actually a zoning related issue so it really is something

[1:08:59] Voice 12: unfortunately we have to go to the crd to get it yeah

[1:09:02] Voice 3: it's the crd that it will generally do but

[1:09:04] Voice 3: it's something that we can ask for because it's more in our community planning to make sure that

[1:09:08] Voice 3: we have resilience around that so

[1:09:09] Voice 12: you could help support that yeah that would be great yeah we uh

[1:09:13] Voice 12: like i said the leg work has been done it's been a long project but we have all that information

[1:09:17] Voice 12: there we know the sites that are what i would call a sites and the objective would be to be able to

[1:09:23] Voice 12: get a radius around each one of what actually i'll tell you it's 1800 feet radius because i

[1:09:31] Voice 12: don't do metric pretty well but it's 1800 feet and if you could you can i should say i plotted

[1:09:37] Voice 12: them on a map and you can actually do circles around each one and you can cover up 90 of the

[1:09:43] Voice 12: island uh the unhydrated parts right so um it would be a lifetime achievement if we could get

[1:09:53] Voice 12: even a portion of that done uh we we managed to develop uh there's a few uh standpipes around the

[1:10:01] Voice 12: island but not few and far between um we have frustrating water supplies like we have this

[1:10:07] Voice 12: this incredible water supply on Hoosen Road.

[1:10:13] Voice 12: I mean, it's got a three, four million gallon pond,

[1:10:19] Voice 12: gravity fed to a hydrant.

[1:10:21] Voice 12: It was installed intentionally for the subdivision,

[1:10:25] Voice 12: was supposed to be expanded upon.

[1:10:28] Voice 12: And then again, just with the Crocs,

[1:10:31] Voice 12: and now nobody lays claim to it.

[1:10:33] Voice 12: And the people that own the land that the water's on,

[1:10:36] Voice 12: they don't really want that responsibility they are doing it but they're very very reluctant we

[1:10:42] Voice 12: have nothing in writing that gives us guarantee for that water um but so we've been sneaking

[1:10:49] Voice 12: around servicing the hydrant and stuff because nobody will do it it's ridiculous and you guys

[1:10:54] Voice 12: are paying for that um but i've been arranging it through our farm but i'm omitting i'm doing

[1:11:01] Voice 12: this publicly i use public money to fix that hydra because i think it is the one really i mean it's

[1:11:09] Voice 12: it's just an incredible asset for us in terms of risk reduction what

[1:11:13] Voice 5: about tilly pond life that's

[1:11:15] Voice 5: all fenced in now tilly

[1:11:17] Voice 12: point yes what about it well can you

[1:11:20] Voice 5: get to it now i can

[1:11:22] Voice 12: i can get to it

[1:11:31] Voice 5: we

[1:11:31] Voice 12: have we have this thing called a master key it's about

[1:11:35] Voice 12: this big

[1:11:39] Voice 12: and in some cases not not until the point but in many many

[1:11:42] Voice 12: cases like like the driftwood we have

[1:11:45] Voice 12: lock boxes and keys so that we can get in and that we do the same thing

[1:11:49] Voice 12: for gates so that's another

[1:11:51] i

[1:11:51] Voice 12: think we do um our yes have

[1:11:54] Voice 5: you identified areas that need access to water yes

[1:11:59] Voice 12: and i've

[1:12:00] Voice 12: identified all of the water sources on the island

[1:12:03] Voice 5: where

[1:12:06] Voice 12: can you get it the information oh well it's

[1:12:09] Voice 12: it's mine it's in my office on the wall if you don't look at it yeah anytime it's got all the

[1:12:20] Voice 12: circles on it and everything and it shows you that i look

[1:12:23] Voice 12: at it every day this reminds me of

[1:12:25] Voice 12: what my goal is have the property

[1:12:26] Voice 5: owners been informed that they are a source of the water

[1:12:30] Voice 5: well

[1:12:31] Voice 12: we because we had to go on to each property to map it and take the coordinates so when we went

[1:12:38] Voice 12: on to the property we met with the property owners and then we told them afterwards what

[1:12:42] Voice 12: what we graded it as you know because some of them are just not accessible they're there but

[1:12:49] Voice 12: But unless we were bucketing with a helicopter,

[1:12:51] Voice 12: maybe that would be appropriate.

[1:12:53] Voice 12: Could

[1:12:53] Voice 21: you expand a little bit on your comments

[1:12:55] Voice 21: concerning cisterns?

[1:12:57] Voice 21: If I understood you correctly, you

[1:12:59] Voice 21: were suggesting it would be desirable for a lot

[1:13:02] Voice 21: of residences to have a cistern that

[1:13:06] Voice 21: would supply water in the case of a fire on those properties.

[1:13:10] Voice 21: And I take it that that was actually

[1:13:14] Voice 21: a rule that was never enforced.

[1:13:16] Voice 21: course it was and it comes as a surprise to me having built a house in the last 10 years

[1:13:25] Voice 21: but if you were putting in a cistern to uh to uh deal with this problem what size of cistern

[1:13:34] Voice 21: are we talking about and what might be the cost of it

[1:13:38] Voice 3: yeah and maybe before we answer that question

[1:13:40] Voice 3: not that we don't need to i just want to keep our eye on time too i'm actually wondering if we can

[1:13:44] Voice 3: can produce some information like that broadly for the community and like get like a flyer out

[1:13:49] Voice 3: or something like that because i'm i was surprised too when mike and i sat down earlier this spring

[1:13:54] Voice 3: i was like really we're supposed to have cisterns on all these properties and and it's not cisterns

[1:13:59] Voice 3: for water use yourself it's cisterns for firefighting

[1:14:02] Voice 12: and so

[1:14:03] Voice 3: i was like holy smokes

[1:14:05] Voice 3: no

[1:14:05] Voice 12: we're talking about properties that don't aren't in a place that has

[1:14:09] Voice 12: obviously these are rural properties yeah and it's there's a mathematical equation that you

[1:14:15] Voice 12: use to calculate the number of gallons that you require but suffice to say for the average size

[1:14:19] Voice 12: house is for 3 000 gallons that's that's the average amount some key components that get

[1:14:25] Voice 12: really screwed up out there the water can't if it's right beside your house under your house

[1:14:31] Voice 12: it's useless it needs to be 50 feet at least away from your structure and it needs to be accessible

[1:14:40] Voice 12: with the fire truck so you know often i get a call after the kit after the fact that but i've got a

[1:14:47] Voice 12: sister and i got 8 000 gallons and i want to put a fire department connection on it well but it's

[1:14:52] Voice 12: useless because i can't get out of the block and if if we thought about it ahead of time we could

[1:14:58] Voice 12: have plumbed out a dry stamp bike up to wherever the easiest place to get to it would be which

[1:15:04] Voice 12: typically you know is it down the driveway somewhere away from the house because that's

[1:15:09] Voice 12: where you're going to stage your truck you know so yeah a few thousand gallons now of course

[1:15:14] Voice 12: we have some monstrous houses on on pendrive that need to be protected and so that's not

[1:15:20] Voice 12: three thousand gallons for those houses um if you're looking at that six or seven thousand

[1:15:25] Voice 12: in a square foot home and we have plenty of those um and and we have plenty of properties that have

[1:15:33] Voice 12: more than one house on the property so you've got to calculate each house and add that to the

[1:15:39] Voice 12: supply um yeah so and i'm it's i it's something you can put in general terms into a flyer but

[1:15:46] Voice 12: actual calculations would generally be done by the architect when they're designing the structure

[1:15:52] structure. Well, one of the things in the past, I don't know if it exists now, is that if you did

[1:16:00] have a

[1:16:00] Voice 15: dry hydrant on your property, there's insurance savings. There is. I can't guarantee

[1:16:07] Voice 12: that because the insurance companies are devils. They don't offer up easily discounts, that's for

[1:16:13] Voice 12: sure. I hope I'm not insulting anybody in the insurance business, but they're generally not

[1:16:18] Voice 12: your friend but if you fight for it and i tell you just as a community concern in the last two years

[1:16:26] Voice 12: we've had i personally dealt with four different insurance companies that wanted to cancel premiums

[1:16:33] Voice 12: on pender island and that is directly related to the losses that have happened in the wildfires

[1:16:40] Voice 12: what they found is that where there were volunteer departments as opposed to career departments

[1:16:47] Voice 12: um they had higher losses so if they they started to pull their business out of anywhere that had

[1:16:53] Voice 12: volunteer departments now your fire department is not completely volunteer we're a composite

[1:16:58] Voice 12: department we have scheduled people on shift 24 hours a day um they're not sleeping in the

[1:17:04] Voice 12: home yet but they certainly will be soon i'm sure everybody in this room will see it before they

[1:17:09] Voice 12: leave um i'm hoping to see you before i leave

[1:17:13] Voice 18: but

[1:17:16] Voice 12: anyway you have you have 24 hour coverage so in

[1:17:19] Voice 12: those cases i was able to communicate with the insurance companies and tell them that we had

[1:17:24] Voice 12: proper trucks they're they're all less than 20 years old they meet the fire underwriters

[1:17:28] Voice 12: insurance requirements we have the right training for our firefighters they're all trained to the

[1:17:34] Voice 12: highest possible level um and we have a response time in less than 20 minutes 80 percent of the

[1:17:40] Voice 12: goals so um we we meet a very high standard magically it gets uh in the dwelling protection

[1:17:48] Voice 12: grades it's a three point it's a three eight which is great you can't get any higher unless

[1:17:53] Voice 12: we have people sleeping in the hall um and that saves our community just in magic lake

[1:17:58] Voice 12: a million six a year in premiums. Outside of Magic Lake, Trickle Valley also has that

[1:18:06] Voice 12: rating. Outside of Magic Lake, we have grade protection of, dwelling protection grade of

[1:18:11] Voice 12: four, and in some cases, three B. And those, again, say like, there's five grades. Every

[1:18:20] Voice 12: time you step up a grade, you save 30% on your insurance. So it's quite a significant

[1:18:26] Voice 12: savings. Just the last part of my pitch on that, and I really want to talk about something

[1:18:31] Voice 12: else, if you'll indulge me. My last pitch with the response time and the equipment and

[1:18:40] Voice 12: training that your firefighters have is second to none. We're probably the highest ranking

[1:18:46] Voice 12: fire department in British Columbia. I mean, a composite department. And I don't like to

[1:18:53] Voice 12: brag i'm typically extremely humble and i found myself in the last couple of years regretting

[1:19:00] Voice 12: that i've been so humble because i've had so many people come to me that don't know what we have

[1:19:05] Voice 12: here and i'm getting near the end of my career and i'm going to start spouting it loud as i can

[1:19:10] Voice 12: because it's exceptional it's extraordinary

[1:19:19] Voice 12: not only that they save us millions of dollars a year so on top of being really great

[1:19:25] Voice 12: they save you a bunch of money so uh it's not usually not my primary motivator to save money

[1:19:31] Voice 12: but it is a nice it's a nice side effect to have when you can actually say that with confidence and

[1:19:38] Voice 12: uh i've been saying that for a long time but we recently were reviewed by the capital regional

[1:19:44] Voice 12: district um our fire department uh now there's they've got 14 fire departments on the purview

[1:19:51] Voice 12: you um and i just have to say we were number one we were accomplishing all of the goals that

[1:19:59] Voice 12: fire department needs to do we have a full fire prevention program which includes annual

[1:20:06] Voice 12: inspections for commercial properties which again is extraordinary like there's not another

[1:20:12] Voice 12: volunteer department in our district that does commercial fire safety inspections

[1:20:20] Voice 12: only only the career departments do inspections and those inspections believe me fire prevention

[1:20:28] Voice 12: saves more lives every year than any hot dog on a hose like fire suppression saves lives yes

[1:20:38] Voice 12: occasionally most of the time it saves property fire prevention when i go into a structure and

[1:20:44] Voice 12: make sure that the doors open properly and the emergency lighting works and that the extinguishers

[1:20:51] Voice 12: are charged and current and that there's a public aid in all our public buildings and there's you

[1:20:56] Voice 12: know these are things that save lives making sure this panic hardware works because when all our

[1:21:01] Voice 12: teams have gathered here from one of their building bees and the place catches on fire

[1:21:06] Voice 12: and that fabric burns like that that they can get out because that's how they die smoke kills

[1:21:13] Voice 12: not fire typically so I think in my career I've saved way more lives with fire prevention than I

[1:21:21] Voice 12: with fire suppression well I know that's true I've only ever ever had the privilege to pull

[1:21:28] Voice 12: one person out of a burning place but I've probably saved thousands of lives in terms of

[1:21:34] Voice 12: this and our guys and crew are all trained in fire inspection and they're they do a great job

[1:21:43] Voice 12: keeping us safe and it's it's a thank you job i gotta tell you

[1:21:46] Voice 17: thank you

[1:21:47] Voice 12: because people nobody

[1:21:49] Voice 12: likes to see the fire inspector but they really do and that leads me to my final point which i

[1:21:56] Voice 12: just thought i'd throw the shot across the battle um i have been concerned most of my career here

[1:22:04] Voice 12: on pender island with uh it wasn't short-term rentals but it was illegal suites um and being

[1:22:12] Voice 12: being concerned not from a financial perspective but anything like that and not a moral judgment

[1:22:19] Voice 12: nothing like that life safety it's been my concern i first ran into it with staff housing

[1:22:27] Voice 12: when we were training a bunch of poets cove i probably shouldn't use companies

[1:22:33] Voice 12: a place we were training some commercial staff on fire safety and when we when i was there

[1:22:42] Voice 12: i took the opportunity because i had these kids alone and i asked them where are you living

[1:22:49] Voice 12: don't have to give me the address but just tell me where you're living and then they started to

[1:22:53] Voice 12: tell me about where they were living these little basements and some of them were sleeping in

[1:22:59] Voice 12: trailers all sorts of bizarre things um and then we started the talk is to know about like do you

[1:23:06] Voice 12: have a small one in where you're staying do you have a second egress a separate way out where

[1:23:13] Voice 12: you're staying and the answers were horrifying like almost 80 percent of the kids in that room

[1:23:20] Voice 12: were living in a place that i wouldn't want my daughter living in it's not safe and that's

[1:23:27] Voice 12: because they're illegal suites and they weren't being inspected so nobody had any oversight over

[1:23:33] Voice 12: that and i'm i'm not like i said i don't i don't care about how people make the money i'm not

[1:23:38] Voice 12: making any judgment on that but to me you have a moral obligation to keep your people safe and

[1:23:47] Voice 12: that's where i i get upset um and short-term rentals are another example of this going on

[1:23:56] Voice 12: we managed to go into all of our commercial places and do inspections to make sure that everything's

[1:24:02] Voice 12: safe and even our B&Bs have welcomed us in when I ask them that they don't have to. The residential

[1:24:10] Voice 12: doesn't have to let me in unless I have a safety concern. So anyway I know I'm going too long here

[1:24:18] Voice 12: but the short-term rentals I've been asking whether we can do something so that you can have

[1:24:28] Voice 12: Have me inspect that before it's rented out.

[1:24:33] Voice 12: I think people have an expectation when they come to our island and visit that they're going to stay in a place that's safe.

[1:24:40] Voice 12: I know that's probably a reasonable expectation.

[1:24:44] Voice 12: I know for sure when they go to one of our commercial developments, they absolutely expect it to be safe.

[1:24:52] Voice 12: And they are.

[1:24:54] Voice 12: We go in there and we check them every year.

[1:24:57] Voice 12: and we have some amazing property owners and commercial tenants they do all the right things

[1:25:04] Voice 12: to stay current with the code which ultimately keeps people safe so i thank them for that and i

[1:25:11] Voice 12: ask the trust to look at the idea of somehow putting that little step in the system if you're

[1:25:18] Voice 12: going to rent out short-term rentals so be it that's a political decision but if you're going

[1:25:25] Voice 12: going to do it make sure they're safe and have somebody like myself go in there and inspect it

[1:25:32] Voice 12: and make sure that they've got a window that they can get out and that they've got a working smoke

[1:25:36] Voice 12: alarm just the basic stuff right and you'd be surprised what people will rent they rent we've

[1:25:42] Voice 12: got kids sleeping in trailers and cargo bins and like it's ridiculous and you know because they

[1:25:51] Voice 12: can't afford to stay anywhere else so i can ask about our stuff

[1:25:54] Voice 15: is when we do these tup

[1:25:56] Voice 15: can we make an annual inspection or requirement of the tup i

[1:26:00] Voice 14: think so you have a broad authority

[1:26:02] Voice 14: to issue conditions you can establish it as a condition but i guess monitoring that is is

[1:26:12] Voice 14: something that i have to consider but you

[1:26:16] Voice 12: know even to have an inspector initially to make sure

[1:26:19] Voice 12: that the things are in place you know i don't know they have to subscribe to an annual but i

[1:26:24] Voice 12: mean i would be

[1:26:25] Voice 14: happy to do that so you could look at adjusting your tup guidelines in there

[1:26:29] Voice 14: to to have some language around that i think it would also require some work around like

[1:26:35] Voice 14: establishing a formal template that is consistent so

[1:26:40] Voice 15: would you be capable of issuing a certificate

[1:26:42] Voice 15: certificate of inspection yeah i think just because they just to sort of they do the circle

[1:26:50] Voice 15: we monitor like the water consumption all that stuff so we would say that you'd have

[1:26:57] Voice 15: to produce a certificate of inspection yeah

[1:27:00] Voice 12: no we we do our commercial tenants

[1:27:02] Voice 12: and property owners give them an annual report an inspection report and would show their

[1:27:09] Voice 12: non-compliance if they were non-compliant yeah

[1:27:11] Voice 8: right

[1:27:12] Voice 12: yeah yeah absolutely so

[1:27:15] Voice 15: i'm playing forward

[1:27:15] Voice 15: maybe between you and planner smith you could maybe suggest some guidelines

[1:27:19] Voice 14: that we can

[1:27:20] Voice 14: incorporate into the policy i think i actually said that i would say that there are two pathways

[1:27:26] Voice 14: to go down one would be case by case with your tups uh that would capture the check reduce

[1:27:34] Voice 14: use permit or you could take a more

[1:27:35] Voice 14: broader approach and looking at your your guidelines

[1:27:39] Voice 14: around issuance of tup's and you might also want to look at your home occupation

[1:27:44] Voice 14: guidelines where you have short-term communication until it's permitted with no

[1:27:53] Voice 14: interface with the trust as long as they're making those regulations that

[1:27:57] Voice 18: would require

[1:27:58] Voice 14: a project that would require you adding that to your project list

[1:28:04] Voice 14: In the short term, I think the best approach would be, if and when you're

[1:28:08] Voice 23: in teams you could consider adding a request around what it's, it's, yeah,

[1:28:18] Voice 12: I would, I would welcome any, anything we can do as a person.

[1:28:24] Voice 12: So,

[1:28:26] Voice 12: questions as

[1:28:27] Voice 8: well if there are any.

[1:28:28] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:28:28] Voice 12: I have only one more thing to say, and it's related.

[1:28:34] Voice 12: Forest fires start from structures as easily as they start from forest fires,

[1:28:39] Voice 12: that structures start from forest fire.

[1:28:41] Voice 12: So keeping your house safe and stopping fire in the house is equally as important

[1:28:47] Voice 12: as treating your property, even more so on Pender Island.

[1:28:53] Voice 12: Because these fire smart things, which I'm sure you're all aware of,

[1:28:57] Voice 12: they're principles designed to slow fire down that's what they're there for so you're thinning

[1:29:03] Voice 12: out the forest you're spacing the trees you're removing dead debris that's going to slow the

[1:29:08] Voice 12: forest fire down right and keep it on the ground which is where we want it we don't want it in the

[1:29:14] Voice 12: trees that's what this does but you can see right away these are designed for large land a third

[1:29:22] Voice 12: third acre in magic lake it's not enough to make any difference at all i hate to be the bearer of

[1:29:27] Voice 12: bad news but you have to do you have to do acres hundreds of acres to have an impact not not a

[1:29:34] Voice 12: third if you do it and your neighbor doesn't you've done nothing you're not gonna you you know

[1:29:40] Voice 12: you may protect your property a little bit because you know if you clear the pine needles on your

[1:29:46] Voice 12: gutters and all that stuff it may not ignite your house but just keep in mind you're when

[1:29:52] Voice 12: when those fires get big which it's very unlikely it ever will on pender island

[1:29:55] Voice 12: but when they get big they shoot embers you know a mile away

[1:30:00] Voice 12: like so you need to have protection around you so biggest bang for your buck is a community

[1:30:09] Voice 12: get our partners landholders to actually treat their property the right way because here's the

[1:30:17] Voice 12: magic forest fire is good for the forest this is weird it's good for the forest it cleans it up

[1:30:26] Voice 12: up, renews, rejuvenates undergrowth. It's a natural process. It's been happening for millennia.

[1:30:35] Voice 12: What's not good with forest fire is people. People don't do well in a forest fire. Structures don't

[1:30:43] Voice 12: do well. And then we suppress the fires. And the longer we suppress them, the higher the photos.

[1:30:51] Voice 12: and then we get to the point where we're at now 100 years later of really sort of great fire

[1:30:57] Voice 12: suppression where we have a tinderbox all around us biggest landowner on the pandas parks canada

[1:31:04] Voice 12: and they are very very reluctant to do anything to take care of the course

[1:31:10] Voice 12: they want to they

[1:31:11] Voice 3: did do a pilot down in shingle yeah they did

[1:31:14] Voice 3: yeah i've talked to them about that

[1:31:16] Voice 3: because that that pilot was doing what you're saying doing some spacing like really good equal

[1:31:21] Voice 3: and actually really great ecological care yeah

[1:31:24] Voice 12: our predecessors the our first nations people

[1:31:27] Voice 12: they burned controlled burns prescribed burns you've probably heard about that in the news

[1:31:33] Voice 12: um that's how they kept the fire under control the fire risk under control because they were

[1:31:38] Voice 12: constantly burning off the material so that they made sure that it was under control

[1:31:42] Voice 12: they knew what they were doing we us folks we do not know what we're doing we are screwing it up

[1:31:51] Voice 12: left right and center and it seems like the more things we do to correct it the more we screw it up

[1:31:59] Voice 3: advocating the parks for better forest management in the parks we've already been talking with

[1:32:03] Voice 3: the conservancy about that too on any conservancy plans in terms of like what can be done in the

[1:32:08] Voice 3: conservancy rules under the covenants because we understand that that's the you know we want to

[1:32:14] Voice 3: manage the land in a way that's like going to bring it back to that so

[1:32:17] Voice 12: you can call us anytime

[1:32:20] Voice 12: and i'll send an officer over to do a fire smart assessment of your property if that would make

[1:32:25] Voice 12: you feel better then we can advise you to do whatever you need to do it's free and it's not

[1:32:31] Voice 12: a problem we do quite a few of them every year um and i have these little booklets that you can

[1:32:36] Voice 12: you know, take it from me if you want to see an overview of it. I'm pretty confident most

[1:32:40] of you know what fire smarting is, but I have a

[1:32:43] Voice 12: book with me. And that's really all I had

[1:32:49] Voice 12: to say. Thank you.

[1:32:57] Voice 3: The various things in the next post, we'll make sure it gets in there. And there was

[1:33:03] Voice 3: also, I don't know if I said it to you, Mike, but there was a series of webinars that

[1:33:08] Voice 3: fire school violence spark smart did here maybe just at the start of the pandemic or before it

[1:33:13] Voice 3: that um i did it with them on climate change and wildfire and we listened to all sorts of folks

[1:33:18] Voice 3: all across the islands like different fire offices in different places and so that i

[1:33:23] Voice 5: can make that

[1:33:23] Voice 5: available to folks too so we have the recordings well thank you very much i think that's really

[1:33:29] Voice 14: useful i learned a lot and i would just add also that we are working with mike and the fire

[1:33:35] Voice 14: department on affordable housing or housing options for uh firefighters on yeah the whole

[1:33:41] Voice 14: site so we're just starting down that road i forgot

[1:33:45] Voice 12: to mention as well because all the

[1:33:47] Voice 12: discussion about housing and how it affects the fire department in a nutshell is we have almost

[1:33:53] Voice 12: zero volunteers anymore so um there's because young people can't live here you can't afford

[1:34:03] Voice 12: to live here only a few exceptional ones can the ones that have businesses that can support

[1:34:10] Voice 12: themselves on the islands um not everybody is wealthy and able to live here for free

[1:34:15] Voice 12: so

[1:34:17] Voice 8: that's all we're working on so yeah

[1:34:19] Voice 8: and

[1:34:21] Voice 5: even have any other

[1:34:28] Voice 5: specific questions

[1:34:30] Voice 5: what

[1:34:32] Voice 15: was that oh sure yes all right so we'll move on um we have minutes for us to consider

[1:34:39] um we have just many minutes about every 23rd for adoption they were

[1:34:45] Voice 15: short and sweet does

[1:34:47] Voice 15: anybody have these okay so

[1:34:49] Voice 15: if i can send we will adopt those um we have resolution without

[1:34:53] Voice 15: without meeting for dated March 2024. For information. We don't

[1:35:01] Voice 15: have any advice yet. Looking forward to those speak up a

[1:35:07] Voice 15: little bit. Okay, so we don't have any advisory planning

[1:35:10] Voice 15: commission minutes. So that's fine. So we have an hour and 10

[1:35:15] Voice 15: one page of page 11, which is a follow up action list.

[1:35:20] Voice 15: i don't

[1:35:20] Voice 14: really speak to other than that's not getting done

[1:35:27] Voice 14: okay any questions

[1:35:28] Voice 15: no

[1:35:29] Voice 5: it's great thanks for great

[1:35:30] Voice 15: and then we have delegations the active

[1:35:33] Voice 15: port washington group thank

[1:35:35] Voice 5: you chair good morning i'm sarah mile i live on port washington road

[1:35:42] Voice 5: my neighbor it's nice to see you all here today thank you very much chair for the opportunity

[1:35:47] Voice 5: the agency before i begin i want to humbly and respectfully acknowledge the seo and sartlet first

[1:35:54] Voice 5: nations and all the coast salish people who've been coming here for millennia i'm honored and

[1:35:59] Voice 5: privileged to be here with you today and to call this my home i've lived on pender island for most

[1:36:05] Voice 5: of my life my family came here in the 60s and a few years ago i moved with my family to an

[1:36:16] Voice 5: acreage on Port Washington Road. And it's beautiful. We love it. When I was growing

[1:36:21] Voice 5: up here, I remember Port Washington was always a very desirable area to live in, and it still

[1:36:26] Voice 5: is. And so I'm here today on behalf of a group called Active Port Washington. And this is

[1:36:35] Voice 5: an informal group of residents who live in the Port Washington Road area and who want

[1:36:42] Voice 5: to maintain its rural character. This is very important to us. So I thought it would be fun

[1:36:51] Voice 5: to take you on a little tour and I've got to say I was inspired by our excellent museum. I encourage

[1:37:00] Voice 5: you to check their website if you're interested in any of the history of Pender Island and I brought

[1:37:05] Voice 5: a map to guide us along there. So I brought a copy for you and this is the current land use

[1:37:14] Voice 5: zoning along the Washington Road corridor where many people live. And so we're Washington Road.

[1:37:22] Voice 5: I'm going to talk to you today. I've got a few minutes and I want to share with you some

[1:37:25] Voice 5: information that I hope will help inform your planning decisions in this area in the future.

[1:37:31] Voice 5: and um it's an interesting road on the islands because it's quite straight and fairly level

[1:37:39] Voice 5: it is a narrow country road um rural i looked it up essentially used the countryside and this is

[1:37:46] Voice 5: where we live and it's beautiful um and poor washington road i've highlighted it in green

[1:37:50] Voice 5: for you on the map and it goes all the way from hope bay in the east right down to poor

[1:37:56] Voice 5: Washington Dock in the west and it's a really nice place to go for a walk or bike ride or even ride

[1:38:05] Voice 5: in a horse and people even come from other places on the island to go for a walk in this neighborhood

[1:38:12] Voice 5: because it is fairly flat and it is fairly straight and you'll know if you've ever tried

[1:38:17] Voice 5: walking or biking around Twitter Island this is rare we have a lot of steep roads with wide

[1:38:24] Voice 5: corners and walking is very enjoyable when you're on a road like that with people on your shoulders.

[1:38:30] Voice 5: So for Washington Road it has some unique features in this regard and so if we start

[1:38:38] Voice 5: I'm going to talk more about the groundwater and the farming, the history here and that's

[1:38:44] Voice 5: still happening and also the people who live here and some special ecological zones which are new.

[1:38:52] Voice 5: So if we go down to Hope Bay and we put on our running shoes or we get on our horse

[1:38:57] Voice 5: or whatever you like, I like to walk and we start walking west. The first one of the first things

[1:39:05] Voice 5: you're going to see on your left is a farm and there's a lovely farm there where people are

[1:39:10] Voice 5: growing fresh produce for the community and even supplying local businesses with ingredients for

[1:39:19] Voice 5: for their customers to eat and so next door to that we also have rural land here you'll see on

[1:39:26] Voice 5: your map the r indicates growing zoning and these are larger pieces of land where people live um

[1:39:34] Voice 5: so we've seen one farm we keep walking there's another farm next door where they're growing

[1:39:40] Voice 5: a fairly large operation growing specialty produce and raising livestock. We go across

[1:39:49] Voice 5: Corbett Road, which go down there to find more farms. We go across Corbett Road and on the corner

[1:39:56] Voice 5: we start getting into an ag zone, the AG Agricultural and there's a large farm there

[1:40:02] Voice 5: that's been operating in that location for a long time and they currently have a very large market

[1:40:07] Voice 5: garden that is supplying weekly markets with fruit and vegetables and nuts and

[1:40:14] Voice 5: plants and all kinds of things. So we're starting to develop a really

[1:40:18] Voice 5: plentiful supply of local food here. So we carry on past there and you'll see

[1:40:23] Voice 5: there's a small C1C. This is a commercial zone where we have our

[1:40:29] Voice 5: our local uh natural foods uh grocery store and next to them we have um the two new general

[1:40:37] Voice 5: industrial zones in our previous bylaws we had a light industrial zone and a more heavy industrial

[1:40:44] Voice 5: zone now since that was done we have one general industrial zone that's being applied um so carry

[1:40:51] Voice 5: on along there those general industrial zones here we have our hardware store and we have our

[1:40:56] Voice 5: public works yard um as you know which of course uh we need uh it can be noisy when there's cranes

[1:41:03] Voice 5: lifting things and whatnot hydro poles and that um so the people who live here in the rural land

[1:41:11] Voice 5: um you know they they're affected by all these things and so let's carry on with our tour okay

[1:41:18] Voice 5: we'll keep going and then just a little past where i live um we have a honeybee farm next to that we

[1:41:26] Voice 5: We have a sheep farm, along with poultry and eggs.

[1:41:31] Voice 5: And a lot of people come from around the island to visit all the farm stands that are in this area.

[1:41:36] Voice 5: I know I do.

[1:41:36] Voice 5: You can go right around the loop and just fill up your basket.

[1:41:40] Voice 5: I mean, we've got lunch already, I think, with eggs and vegetables and everything that's being produced here.

[1:41:47] Voice 5: Some people like lamb.

[1:41:48] Voice 5: There's more than one sheep farm along the road here.

[1:41:51] Voice 5: and the wonderful thing about these farms on Port Washington Road is that the people who farm the

[1:41:57] Voice 5: land there, the farmers, they're living on their farms there. So they're part of our community and

[1:42:03] Voice 5: they're producing all this incredible food for us. We really appreciate them and all the hard work

[1:42:09] Voice 5: that they do. So we'll carry along, we have more homes in this rural zone and down towards the

[1:42:17] Voice 5: west it starts to become more residential um the pieces of land uh they get a bit more broken up at

[1:42:23] Voice 5: the end but generally it's larger pieces of land with lots of forest um and and holes there so

[1:42:32] Voice 5: right down at the end after you pass a couple more organic gardens that are producing lots

[1:42:38] Voice 5: for the people living there maybe not so commercial but again it's still it's a really

[1:42:43] Voice 5: unique micro plant here in the valley where you can actually grow quite a lot and do well with

[1:42:50] Voice 5: the farm. This isn't the case everywhere on the islands, you know it's really rocky and dry.

[1:42:56] Voice 5: Sheep is one thing that's traditionally been successful here because the sheep are well

[1:43:03] Voice 5: adapted to the kind of landscape that we have here. So right down the end of Port Washington

[1:43:10] Voice 5: I forgot to put my timer on, but I'll start it now.

[1:43:14] Voice 5: We have one of the oldest farms right before you get to Fort Washington Dock, where the

[1:43:19] Voice 5: seaplane comes in, and the students take the water taxi to Ganges for high school.

[1:43:24] Voice 5: You have one of the oldest farms on the island, it's still a productive orchard, and the original

[1:43:31] Voice 5: farmhouse there was built in 1891.

[1:43:33] Voice 5: So this shows you we have almost 150 years of farming heritage along Port Washington

[1:43:43] Voice 5: Road and it continues today as we've seen.

[1:43:50] Voice 5: One of the reasons why all these people can live here and farm here is because of the

[1:43:57] Voice 5: water.

[1:43:58] Voice 5: The Port Washington Road area has excellent water and one of the reasons why our wells

[1:44:04] Voice 5: and this valley are so well supplied with water is if you look down over Washington

[1:44:09] Voice 5: Road and you look north, you're going to see a large land, a big geologic feature called

[1:44:17] Voice 5: Mount Elizabeth. And it's a big steep hill that rises up several hundred feet. And it's

[1:44:25] Voice 5: the top of it, it's hard to get to, it's steep and rocky. And so there's intact forest up

[1:44:31] Voice 5: there and we know that the island's trust values this habitat is rare habitat up there we're going

[1:44:38] Voice 5: to talk more about that but we're seeing these eco zone so you'll see kind of to the right on

[1:44:45] Voice 5: your map you know that eco one of those is a new ecological zone so it's protected habitat

[1:44:53] Voice 5: the fascinating thing about mount elizabeth this geologic feature which is rock with trees

[1:44:58] Voice 5: is that this is part of our hydrologic cycle and your island's trust fresh water specialist has

[1:45:05] Voice 5: said you know land use planning decisions should be important by groundwater availability and

[1:45:12] Voice 5: sustainability and what happens is the rain falls onto the mountain and the trees and the rock

[1:45:20] Voice 5: do their job of filtering and sending all this water down into the land and it's an important

[1:45:28] Voice 5: function of preventing runoff and slowing the evaporation and so all of this water is being

[1:45:35] Voice 5: channeled down into the valley and to the wells and supplying us there so it's it's why we can

[1:45:43] Voice 5: farm there it's why we can live there and why we can have good water and the ecological zones

[1:45:48] Voice 5: i find are really interesting because um the the variety of species living up on this mountain

[1:45:58] Voice 5: right there's not a lot of there's no holes on the top of the town um and so what's happening is uh

[1:46:06] Voice 5: we have turkey vultures we have bald eagles nesting that's in your raptor we're viewing

[1:46:12] Voice 5: the jury now uh we have raven living up here on the mountain and this is all along fort

[1:46:19] Voice 5: washington road everybody who lives there knows and can if you have some amazing bird watching

[1:46:25] Voice 5: Who else have we got? We have lots of owls, there are highly woodpecker, northern flicker,

[1:46:33] Voice 5: we have violet green swallows, which I believe are endangered, and we have hummingbirds,

[1:46:41] Voice 5: there is a bat population, all kinds of mushrooms, lilies count, scary oak. So the Adams Trust,

[1:46:48] Voice 5: we have our development permit areas, they've been discussed. Big portions of Mount Elizabeth

[1:46:53] Voice 5: bit are within the woodland development hermit area so this is very rare uh dairy oak forests

[1:47:02] Voice 5: they have cultural significance and all the other reasons i spoke about so that concludes my tour

[1:47:10] Voice 5: of poor washington road thank you for coming along with me i hope you will uh come over and park at

[1:47:15] Voice 5: the mailboxes and go for a walk because it's a beautiful place i wanted to have a photograph

[1:47:19] Voice 5: craft of all the lambs for you because that's what's happening right now in the neighborhood

[1:47:23] Voice 5: you know the sheep are having their babies and they're just they're so cute and lovely to see

[1:47:29] Voice 5: uh as you go by um and as we go ahead go forward um of course you know as planners that um you

[1:47:39] Voice 5: know having a buffer between people's homes uh and industrial activities is important so um half

[1:47:46] Voice 5: of port washington row active for washington um i want to thank you for concluding the land use

[1:47:54] Voice 5: pilot review that was a four or five year project i believe um and that was concluded in december it

[1:48:01] Voice 5: was a big project um so thank you for finishing it and so now we know uh what zoning we have um

[1:48:09] Voice 5: And on behalf of ActiveCourt Washington, we would just like to keep this as a rural neighborhood

[1:48:20] Voice 5: going forward for the people who live here and our farmers and our groundwater.

[1:48:27] Voice 5: So anyone who's interested in getting more information about that is welcome to contact

[1:48:32] Voice 5: me.

[1:48:32] Voice 5: I have an email, parkspender at gmail.com.

[1:48:37] Voice 5: thank you very much for your time thank you

[1:48:58] Voice 5: um

[1:48:58] Voice 3: so i wanted a quick clarification so my understanding of the general industrial zoning

[1:49:05] Voice 3: the move that we went to go from light and heavy industrial to general industrial we didn't change

[1:49:11] Voice 3: the actual characteristics of what use was happening on that line it was the administrative

[1:49:16] Voice 3: straight a clarification of the zoning classification so and i don't know that we

[1:49:22] Voice 3: can answer that question fully right this minute because that was all buried in our

[1:49:26] Voice 3: like records of what's gone on the last five years but that is my understanding of what

[1:49:30] Voice 3: ended up happening is we got rid of the two types of industrial zoning created one type

[1:49:36] Voice 3: of industrial zoning with the different classifications but kept the site-specific

[1:49:40] Voice 3: zoning as what was there before so while the name so back to the point that you made earlier but it

[1:49:48] Voice 3: is like it reminded me when she was talking about the general industrial i'm like oh actually the

[1:49:52] Voice 3: uses didn't change but the name changed so just to be aware of that um and so just um when it says

[1:50:01] Voice 3: general industrial that does not mean that you can do anything on that one it's site-specific

[1:50:06] Voice 3: specific zoning under that for certain things so just to be clear on that and there's three

[1:50:11] Voice 3: general industrial balance in that area um and they're all site I can walk anyone through them

[1:50:18] Voice 3: on the actual violence they're online I just pulled them up while we're talking

[1:50:21] Voice 3: so I'm good

[1:50:25] Voice 5: with that there was a clarification question and my question was about deportation

[1:50:31] Voice 5: There is an aquifer that serves the whole of the Port Washington area, and the lumberyard taps into it and sells it to the public.

[1:50:42] Voice 5: I wonder if that's illegal or not.

[1:50:46] Voice 5: Because I remember once a guy came to my house and said, I heard you don't drink water, I want to buy it.

[1:50:53] Voice 5: And I said, sorry, it's not fine to sell. I would gladly give you some.

[1:50:59] Voice 5: So now we wanted 350 gallons, and I wasn't prepared to sell them out to people going elsewhere.

[1:51:05] Voice 5: So

[1:51:05] Voice 15: provincially, you have to have a water license in the province?

[1:51:09] Voice 5: Commercially, yeah. Commercially, you have to have a license to sell.

[1:51:13] Voice 5: Can anybody apply

[1:51:14] Voice 3: for that and sell?

[1:51:17] Voice 3: You have to be commercially, and commercial water licenses are registered, so you can see them on the water registration.

[1:51:25] Voice 3: We can put that in the post, too.

[1:51:27] Voice 3: and

[1:51:27] Voice 14: those licenses typically would include a retail selling and distribution okay yeah i

[1:51:34] Voice 5: didn't i i thought that more belonged to the community not one in particular it

[1:51:40] Voice 14: would i guess

[1:51:41] Voice 14: technically belong to the license holders and now all residential wells are required to

[1:51:46] Voice 14: have a water license in place as well so i guess in a sense it does belong to the community of

[1:51:54] Voice 14: registered well users as well as the environments and all the other oh so produce that use that's

[1:52:00] Voice 5: commonly found you can apply for a license to drink our

[1:52:05] Voice 5: water over

[1:52:06] Voice 14: the last few years the

[1:52:07] Voice 14: province has established uh regulations that require uh all wells in the province to be

[1:52:14] Voice 14: licensed and regulated so

[1:52:16] Voice 3: is that just commercial licenses so that's residential too

[1:52:19] Voice 3: okay so i didn't know that so a

[1:52:21] Voice 7: lot of people don't

[1:52:23] Voice 7: it's a little evolving

[1:52:26] Voice 7: so

[1:52:26] Voice 5: i would

[1:52:31] Voice 14: say no and if you did have that license authority they would have

[1:52:46] Voice 14: stipulations around treatment and the facility you're producing

[1:52:49] Voice 14: and all of that but it's possible

[1:52:51] Voice 8: for a group to come

[1:52:53] Voice 5: in and say okay you'll buy a border sorry guys no

[1:52:56] Voice 14: okay water water licenses

[1:52:58] Voice 14: work on first right so if you have an established water right someone else couldn't come in and

[1:53:05] Voice 14: overbid or

[1:53:08] Voice 14: over...

[1:53:08] Voice 5: If it's drawn off, that's how you...

[1:53:11] Voice 14: So if

[1:53:13] Voice 14: someone came and applied for a brewery

[1:53:15] Voice 14: on a property here on North Bender, they would

[1:53:17] Voice 14: need to apply for a commercial water license

[1:53:20] Voice 14: and in that commercial

[1:53:21] Voice 14: water license application process

[1:53:23] Voice 14: the province

[1:53:25] Voice 14: would review all of the information

[1:53:27] Voice 14: including what they're proposing to use

[1:53:30] Voice 14: and the groundwater information

[1:53:31] Voice 14: and they would decide whether

[1:53:34] Voice 14: whether that license is approved or not.

[1:53:36] Voice 14: If it was the purview of the local trust committee

[1:53:40] Voice 14: to through say a company was coming

[1:53:43] Voice 14: and looking for rezoning,

[1:53:44] Voice 14: then the local trust committee

[1:53:45] Voice 14: would also apply their water standards in there,

[1:53:50] Voice 14: in that deluge.

[1:53:53] Voice 23: That's very reassuring.

[1:53:55] Voice 23: I'm

[1:53:56] Voice 5: more concerned about the traffic on Port Wash,

[1:53:58] Voice 5: all the big trucks and the potholes,

[1:54:00] Voice 5: the noise, a pull-out plan bay.

[1:54:04] Voice 5: Sometimes it's tandem, it's back up, it's right on an old house that's built on the cross from 1915.

[1:54:13] Voice 5: So when we needed big trucks or anything going around, I've had to speak to my neighbor because he accepted big trucks too.

[1:54:19] Voice 5: My house just shakes.

[1:54:21] Voice 5: I know it's not the big trucks fault, but it happens, and it never used to in the last few years because of the intense traffic.

[1:54:30] Voice 5: It's just constant.

[1:54:31] Voice 5: And it used to be for you, now it's always, and like I said, they come all the way out

[1:54:37] Voice 5: to Plant Bay, they're almost in my driveway, and then they back up, how the hell do they

[1:54:42] Voice 5: sleep?

[1:54:42] Voice 5: I mean, they can't sleep in their back much with the apartment.

[1:54:46] Voice 5: That is a regular, daily thing for all of us.

[1:54:53] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:54:54] Voice 15: Yeah, so, and that's why I sort of wanted to quote a clarification, because I drove

[1:55:00] Voice 15: It broke down like Fort Washington Road today and so one of the lots has got quite a few

[1:55:07] septic trucks parked on it and

[1:55:10] Voice 15: is there TDP on those lots and what are the restrictions

[1:55:14] Voice 15: on septic trucks?

[1:55:16] Voice 14: So that's Ms. Miles' lot, the bottom half of that lot is also designated in the OCP

[1:55:22] Voice 14: for industrial use which means at some point in time the community through their OCP review

[1:55:30] Voice 14: determine that that area of Pender Island is appropriate for, you know, centering industrial use.

[1:55:38] Voice 14: And there is even a policy in the OCC that states that you may consider that area as most appropriate.

[1:55:48] Voice 14: If there is septic being stored on the property, I know there's trucks there,

[1:55:52] Voice 14: but if there's actually septic being stored on the property, it would be contrary to a provision.

[1:56:01] Voice 17: In the

[1:56:02] Voice 14: general regulations of your bylaw that's prohibited in all zones, which is the disposal

[1:56:09] Voice 14: or storage of hazardous or toxic waste other than the temporary storage of such waste in

[1:56:14] Voice 14: the recycling facility zone and the industrial zone.

[1:56:18] Voice 15: But there's no TUD or anything authorizes, so that's something that you need to address.

[1:56:28] Voice 15: When

[1:56:28] Voice 5: are we going to get the opportunity to speak to the industrialization of Washington

[1:56:32] Voice 5: Road?

[1:56:33] Voice 5: It's not just the site, it's the whole road that's been industrialized because of the

[1:56:36] Voice 5: activity.

[1:56:37] Voice 5: And I'd like to know when all of that will start.

[1:56:41] Voice 3: So right now, there is no move to create and like establish and okay, let me just step

[1:56:50] Voice 3: back.

[1:56:50] Voice 3: So in the land use bylaw review that we did last term, it was quite clear that nobody wanted an industrial core in Mount Penn or Washington.

[1:57:00] Voice 3: We are a little bit at odds with our OCP, right?

[1:57:04] Voice 3: If we say we're not going to grant applications on those properties that were identified in the OCP for industrialization because the OCP says that those were identified areas and that was a community process to identify them.

[1:57:17] Voice 3: So it is a little bit of a challenge as an LTC, if somebody proposes on any of those specific properties that were named as industrial, as potentially industrial, that if they propose some activity that they want to do, and we say site specifically, this is what it would be, it's a little bit difficult for us to say no to that, unless there's a clear understanding from the community on what's the negative impact.

[1:57:41] Voice 3: we can say no to things right but that would be in a rezoning application that would that would be

[1:57:46] Voice 3: zone by zone but we're having the impact right now whether it's only going to impact

[1:57:51] Voice 3: and there is enforcement there is so there is enforcement there is conversations going on with

[1:58:01] Voice 3: anybody who's not in compliance right now if there has been a complaint made against them

[1:58:06] Voice 3: right now on the industrial related activities you actually need to make a complaint by property

[1:58:12] Voice 3: i can't do that because i'm the one who helps moderate and deal with those things so i can't

[1:58:19] Voice 3: make the complaint just clarify the probability to make a complaint to the trust so and i can i

[1:58:25] Voice 3: usually put that in my pender post so i can add that to the main pender post too of like how to

[1:58:29] Voice 3: do that um but you have to say like this address has this activity and i don't think it's right

[1:58:35] Voice 3: right and you send it to the bylaw enforcement and they open a file on it and then there's a

[1:58:39] Voice 3: process that goes on and it is ongoing on at least one of those properties just like the

[1:58:45] Voice 3: it is

[1:58:46] Voice 5: ongoing no

[1:58:47] Voice 3: i understand that but so

[1:58:49] Voice 3: so we're trying the the question that i have for

[1:58:52] Voice 3: you as a community and that i've had for like six years is if not there where and so and that is a

[1:59:02] Voice 3: real dilemma right because we're not talking about some business that aren't actually employing

[1:59:08] Voice 3: people in our community they are serving functional roles in our community and in the

[1:59:12] Voice 3: outer co-finance generally and so it is the dilemma we have with the concrete plant and not

[1:59:17] Voice 3: a wonderful solution to that either a temporary solution right now but you know like what are we

[1:59:24] Voice 3: doing as a community to work with the other landowners where we're like we want it over here

[1:59:29] Voice 3: here. Almost everybody knows where I'm talking about. And we

[1:59:32] Voice 17: want it over

[1:59:32] Voice 3: here. Well, then all of you need to go and talk

[1:59:35] Voice 3: to the landowner of that spot, and get them on board. Because I

[1:59:39] Voice 3: have done some of that. And that's it's not working. No, no,

[1:59:43] Voice 3: it's okay. I just

[1:59:44] Voice 3: because you can't think of a better site.

[1:59:51] Voice 3: Absolutely not. But I'm, I'm hesitant to shut down a core

[1:59:54] Voice 3: business because we can't find them another site. I'm also not

[1:59:58] Voice 3: really a fan of rezoning.

[2:00:00] Voice 3: necessarily so that's why there's a temporary use permit in that that area i'd say at least

[2:00:05] Voice 3: in just a second so so the the challenge is that as we move to rezoning we start to lose control

[2:00:12] Voice 3: of the land's future right and temporary use permits allow us to keep control of that and

[2:00:17] Voice 3: like wait for potential to move it if we can move it so there has to be an argument made by a land

[2:00:23] Voice 3: owner why rezoning is the right move versus the tup and there's also some like business security

[2:00:34] Voice 5: So,

[2:00:35] Voice 24: besides everybody getting together and putting pressure on that specific landowner

[2:00:41] Voice 24: or landowners, who else can we put to make this happen?

[2:00:44] Voice 24: So, you know, the industrial people there have the homes that they need for their businesses

[2:00:50] Voice 24: that don't cringe on this wonderful place, you know.

[2:00:53] Voice 24: I mean, I've been here for 50 years almost, and, you know, that's so precious to me.

[2:00:59] Voice 24: And I've done a lot to protect that.

[2:01:02] Voice 24: So, you know, but obviously we have to have a solution for everybody to make it work.

[2:01:08] Voice 24: So if we can put pressure on somebody or the CRD or whoever.

[2:01:13] Voice 24: Yeah.

[2:01:14] Voice 3: And as the director, have you any ideas?

[2:01:17] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:01:17] Voice 3: And the conversation that you and I have had.

[2:01:19] Voice 3: so the very first year that i was a trustee on this island we were in quite intense conversations

[2:01:25] Voice 3: with the crd about the crd finding a piece of land that they would own they would purchase

[2:01:31] Voice 3: through uh whatever that thing is called that i can never think of it's basically it would be

[2:01:35] Voice 3: we would buy it as a community through a tax requisition essentially but that the crd would

[2:01:40] Voice 3: own it and run it then they would control the environmental management of it it would be way

[2:01:44] Voice 3: better from a community perspective um and but like we as a community need to commit if we're

[2:01:51] Voice 3: going to do that that we would be okay to the increased tax cost because they're not going to

[2:01:56] Voice 3: do it without a tax levy on us and um and then that conversation could then ensue more deeply

[2:02:03] Voice 3: and we did go down that road to be able to find a home for waste management that's what was driving

[2:02:09] Voice 3: it at that time um

[2:02:10] Voice 3: and but got blocked on several fronts both for getting the tax levy authorized

[2:02:16] Voice 3: by the crd day pal was not willing to do that and and then landowner was not willing to sell in any

[2:02:22] Voice 3: other way so that and that's fair like they wanted the the land to be protected because it's upland

[2:02:28] Voice 3: from it's upslope land from other property they own so you know

[2:02:32] Voice 3: the the ideal thing frankly is a

[2:02:35] Voice 3: a tax levy from the, from what I can tell, this is my opinion, but is the CRD doing a

[2:02:41] Voice 3: services agreement and having purchased the land and then controlling it and leasing it

[2:02:45] Voice 3: out to different landowners? Okay, sorry,

[2:02:49] Voice 5: I know I took a lot of airs.

[2:02:54] Voice 11: No, I just think, I mean, it's, it's, it's not a, it's not an easy conversation to have

[2:03:02] Voice 11: and there's a

[2:03:02] Voice 11: lot of different levels of what could or couldn't be done from the trust perspective

[2:03:09] Voice 11: there is land use planning from ministry of transportation there's the road and access

[2:03:16] Voice 11: and how people are going in and out of that area in having the conversation over the last

[2:03:22] Voice 11: month or so with folks and hearing one of the bigger concerns is the trucking aspect of it

[2:03:31] Voice 11: You know, what seems like a simple solution is, do we have a trucking route on Penn or do we run the trucks through densely populated residential areas as opposed to an easier, less affected route?

[2:03:52] Voice 11: For some people, that sounds like it would alleviate a lot of the concern and pressure.

[2:03:58] Voice 11: For other people, totally unacceptable.

[2:04:00] Voice 11: acceptable. So it's really a conversation that has to come out to figure out how to balance

[2:04:06] Voice 11: all of the pieces. And I think what Lisa is saying, you know, that if not there, where,

[2:04:15] Voice 11: how do we balance it out? What are the options on tender? I think there's two properties in

[2:04:21] Voice 11: particular that are constantly the concern, you know, oh, they could go there. But nobody's gone

[2:04:29] Voice 11: and talk to the land the person who actually owns the land and ask them are you willing to have this

[2:04:35] Voice 11: on your property you know so at this point those two properties that are an option are not an

[2:04:43] Voice 11: option so we don't have an option we can say that we think that we do and everyone goes back to that

[2:04:51] Voice 11: oh no but there's these two pieces of property we can just use those no we can't they could

[2:04:57] Voice 11: could if they decide to but we cannot and so it really is going to require what can we do

[2:05:07] Voice 11: what can we actually do how do we make it work for our community you know it's not going to go

[2:05:13] Voice 11: all one way but what are the steps that could be taken to make sure that it protects the environment

[2:05:22] Voice 11: aspect of it protects the community aspect of it and protects businesses why is the

[2:05:30] Voice 5: on the homeowners who live here versus the operator to find a suitable location when uh

[2:05:38] Voice 3: i don't say i don't think we said that no oh

[2:05:40] Voice 5: you said you need to get together and find a place

[2:05:44] Voice 5: it's

[2:05:44] Voice 11: gonna have to decide that as far as where industrial appropriately usable industrial land

[2:05:53] Voice 11: if not those places the fact is is that somebody owns that piece of property and feels that they

[2:06:00] Voice 11: are willing to do something to legitimize what it is based off of a 20 year old plan for the

[2:06:09] Voice 11: community um you know that's that's something that was identified at the time as as the place

[2:06:17] Voice 11: to do it and if someone is willing to go through that process to do it that would make sense for us

[2:06:24] Voice 11: to to follow that process through go through the public engagement aspect of it do the steps

[2:06:32] Voice 11: to figure out what is the community willing to have done with property in that area right

[2:06:39] Voice 11: that that is something that we can actually work with going to somebody else and saying

[2:06:45] Voice 11: we want you to do this with your property that's not really in our our mandate i could

[2:06:53] Voice 15: I will note, being from Main Island, we have a worse situation, is that we have four pieces

[2:07:02] Voice 15: of land that is owned industrially on the island. We have many, many industrial type operators.

[2:07:08] Voice 15: One of those pieces of land is owned by BC Hydro. Two of the pieces of land are owned by

[2:07:13] Voice 15: Main Roads, the former road contractor that bought the properties from the province. And the other

[2:07:19] Voice 15: one is privately owned by a landowner who does not want any activity on his property

[2:07:23] Voice 15: so every one of our industrial operators on arrival is illegal right now and it's it's

[2:07:31] Voice 15: caused it makes it we haven't done a good job of planning well

[2:07:36] Voice 3: i i want to just like

[2:07:38] Voice 3: it's not as simple as that really because like yes it's a good job of planning but that's what

[2:07:44] Voice 3: what the ocp process was for was to

[2:07:47] Voice 3: set out where and so there is people following that right and

[2:07:51] Voice 3: it's a 2007 process that everybody in this room may or may not have been involved in right so and

[2:07:57] Voice 3: it's not perfect right so we have to figure out like how to it's an evolving organic process

[2:08:03] Voice 3: the operator comment the reason i said about like all of us like weighing in with our crd and other

[2:08:10] Voice 3: officials is because i actually know that operators on this island who have tried to use industrial

[2:08:15] Voice 3: land and port wash and other areas have gone to those other owners already so i know that there's

[2:08:22] Voice 3: been conversations um with with business operators trying to locate in multiple places around the

[2:08:28] Voice 3: island um and then we went through an industrial review process that was like what was it 8 12 15

[2:08:35] Voice 3: 15 years on, like, yeah, so we went through this whole thing to try and figure it out, and we just

[2:08:40] Voice 3: can't come to agreement, because nobody really wants that industrial activity right next to them,

[2:08:44] Voice 3: and it's, yet we still have to have these services, we have to have waste management,

[2:08:48] Voice 3: we have to run businesses that are functional, so there is a need for us to figure that out,

[2:08:53] Voice 3: and right now, one of the, one of the options that we had during the land use bylaw process

[2:08:58] Voice 3: was to remove zoning that was industrial from some of those places that were not being used

[2:09:05] Voice 3: because i don't personally don't want to add industrial zone to the island overall as a

[2:09:12] Voice 3: percentage so do we remove the zoning that's not being used then well people made cases for why

[2:09:17] Voice 3: they actually had to keep their zone right and so you know it's it's a difficult thing to like

[2:09:23] Voice 3: remove zoning for people it can be done but like we did have that conversation over the last six

[2:09:29] Voice 3: just

[2:09:29] Voice 8: to say that

[2:09:38] Voice 8: it really is

[2:09:38] Voice 14: operator driven and that the property owner needs to come apply

[2:09:42] Voice 14: for rezoning which is specifically stated in the ocp on a rezoning case-by-case basis

[2:09:48] Voice 14: and then the local trust committee goes through that process and the community decides or they

[2:09:58] Voice 14: decide based on all of that assessment which would require groundwater assessment and septic

[2:10:05] Voice 14: assessment at a minimum for any property and all of that information then helps to inform the local

[2:10:12] Voice 14: trust committee as to whether they rezone that parcel or not and what what uh conditions apply

[2:10:18] Voice 14: and what i would say is that in any case like a tup where you have conditions rezoning true it

[2:10:24] Voice 14: is much more uh higher level and narrow scope but you could establish conditions in a section 219

[2:10:32] Voice 14: so ongoing water monitoring yeah that'd be good so for mr groomer's property for example where

[2:10:38] Voice 14: we're going to talk about later section 219 company requiring him to submit ground water

[2:10:45] Voice 14: monitoring reports on uh as requested basis or any kind of conditions you have a broad discretion to

[2:10:51] Voice 14: establish this section 219 from right

[2:10:54] Voice 3: um and my last thought on this whole conversation

[2:10:58] Voice 3: is just that um when we're thinking about the um you know case-by-case driven issue that is

[2:11:10] Voice 3: literally i went during the industrial or during the land or land use review i went and talked to

[2:11:16] Voice 3: So most of those property owners are commercial owners and a number of the property owners

[2:11:21] Voice 3: along that area in Port Wash, specifically because there was this question about, should

[2:11:26] Voice 3: it be more developed as an industrial zone?

[2:11:29] Voice 3: And every single person that I talked to in that area said, please do it on a case-by-case

[2:11:34] Voice 3: level so that we can argue with each slate.

[2:11:37] Voice 3: So we know if the operators have good faith and we can argue specifics about the case.

[2:11:43] Voice 3: And so that's what we need to do as rezoning applications.

[2:11:45] Voice 3: And every time I talk to somebody who says, hey, I want to rezone my land, I'm like, get your community behind you.

[2:11:51] Voice 3: That's my advice for them. Right. So it's like work with your community to get them behind you.

[2:11:57] Voice 15: And I think sort of the outcome of this is I'll speak to the two property owners, Ms. Miles and Mr. Bigham,

[2:12:03] is that you need to work with the planner and your trustees, figure out if you need a TUP or rezoning and get it fixed.

[2:12:12] well because this gray area

[2:12:17] Voice 15: i think is becoming very black and white yeah so

[2:12:21] the previous information from the ltc or the

[2:12:25] Voice 14: advice to to braden was to seek

[2:12:27] Voice 14: rezoning at this time so just to clarify

[2:12:30] Voice 17: that you you in oh and now we've lost her

[2:12:51] Voice 8: so yeah so

[2:12:53] Voice 15: i'm just going to tether this over to the meeting so yeah

[2:13:02] Voice 16: you're gonna check off that one we'll take a five-minute break thank you all right

[2:15:18] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:25:43] Voice 16: We're coming back together.

[2:26:03] Voice 15: Okay. Thank you. Thump, thump, thump.

[2:26:13] Voice 16: I got one in the

[2:26:14] Voice 16: truck. Okay.

[2:26:23] Voice 15: We'll call back to order. We do have the Zoom meeting technology, but we

[2:26:31] Voice 15: We don't have batteries, so our problem is going to be we might lose the Zoom meeting

[2:26:39] Voice 15: when this laptop runs out of power.

[2:26:41] Voice 15: So we have to keep some momentum going.

[2:26:44] Voice 15: So going forward, we have correspondence.

[2:26:49] Voice 16: Is there any?

[2:26:51] Yeah.

[2:26:53] Voice 16: So we have five pieces of correspondence.

[2:26:58] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:27:05] Voice 16: So we'll move to applications.

[2:27:08] Voice 15: 13.1, page 21.

[2:27:11] Voice 15: We have NPTUP

[2:27:14] Voice 15: 2024.2.

[2:27:19] Voice 15: Welcome.

[2:27:20] Voice 15: We'll start off.

[2:27:25] Voice 15: We have somebody named Adrian.

[2:27:29] Voice 15: Okay, we have Adrian

[2:27:30] Voice 15: who's the other applicant.

[2:27:32] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:27:33] Voice 15: So he is

[2:27:35] Voice 15: on the Zoom call.

[2:27:36] Voice 15: Oh, my goodness.

[2:27:39] Voice 15: So we're lacking a planner.

[2:27:48] Voice 15: is mr kajima do you have any insight as to planner access

[2:27:55] Voice 13: good afternoon chair um can you hear me oh

[2:27:57] Voice 15: you're muted or something's muted

[2:27:59] Voice 13: oh i'm unmuted can you hear me

[2:28:02] Voice 15: no no

[2:28:04] Voice 13: yeah oh

[2:28:06] Voice 5: no

[2:28:11] Voice 15: it's the problem is that we don't we we do not

[2:28:25] Voice 16: It is, it should be. Hello? Are we getting anybody here?

[2:28:34] Voice 22: If it helps, I'm Adrian. I'm online and I can

[2:28:39] Voice 22: see and hear everything.

[2:28:41] Voice 15: All right. Thank you, sir. We are struggling with technology right now.

[2:28:46] Voice 15: I

[2:28:46] Voice 22: may de-video

[2:28:48] Voice 22: myself just so it'll make things quicker

[2:28:51] Voice 22: thank you but you can hear us

[2:28:53] Voice 22: okay yeah I can hear you

[2:28:55] Voice 22: well

[2:28:56] Voice 15: okay perfect so now we'll

[2:28:57] Voice 15: move over to

[2:29:00] Voice 15: we're looking for a planner

[2:29:03] Voice 15: Brad

[2:29:07] Voice 15: so

[2:29:08] Voice 15: we hear you

[2:29:11] Voice 13: Phil's not here

[2:29:12] Voice 13: Phil's on vacation

[2:29:14] Voice 15: okay so

[2:29:18] Voice 15: we have an issue then

[2:29:20] Voice 15: in because we have an application that's passed it before us

[2:29:23] Voice 13: so brad brad's not uh anyway it's in

[2:29:27] Voice 13: front of you um the first one is a temporary use permit can you hear me okay yeah yeah okay

[2:29:35] Voice 13: first one is a temporary use permit um for a vacation rental on storm crescent um pedifer

[2:29:43] Voice 13: is the applicant's name this application has had a temporary use permit starting

[2:29:53] Voice 13: in 2018 was renewed once and this is a whole new

[2:30:00] Voice 13: temporary use permit um circulated to neighbors um there have been no concerns or complaints

[2:30:09] Voice 13: um if you look in the package there's some um correspondence in support um the application

[2:30:19] Voice 13: um works to con one is just a comment about the process overall for vacation rentals and

[2:30:25] Voice 13: the recommendation is to approve issues of the temporary use permit for a period of three years

[2:30:30] Voice 15: Thank you. We appreciate that. So, trustees, do you have any questions for Mr. Kojima or for the applicant?

[2:30:48] Voice 5: There's

[2:30:53] Voice 16: a letter, one letter, one letter property.

[2:31:16] Voice 16: I'm

[2:31:17] Voice 13: having trouble hearing what's being said. That was a cool question for me. Sorry.

[2:31:21] Voice 13: Yeah,

[2:31:21] Voice 15: so we're just discussing about correspondence.

[2:31:27] Voice 15: Okay, can you put your mic on?

[2:31:44] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:32:06] Voice 16: Okay, so are we starting?

[2:32:12] Voice 16: Well, it's the only question we have for you.

[2:32:16] Voice 15: We just got power back.

[2:32:20] Voice 16: Miracle.

[2:32:21] Voice 16: We're back.

[2:32:31] Voice 3: Robert, can you hear us?

[2:32:34] Voice 13: yes i can thanks okay

[2:32:36] Voice 3: um so i do have one question for i guess it's robert i'm not sure if it's

[2:32:41] Voice 3: robert or brad

[2:32:42] Voice 14: now i can get to the stuff okay so

[2:32:45] Voice 3: i think my my one question which is always my

[2:32:47] Voice 3: question for storm crescent is like just the density challenge and it's because there's longer

[2:32:53] Voice 3: to be right everybody's been in the the short-term vacation rent to be down there for a while

[2:32:57] Voice 3: um and so it's uh i think there's some concerns around like we're notifying people who are right

[2:33:07] Voice 3: close but the whole road is also getting the traffic of any kind of short-term vacation

[2:33:13] Voice 3: and movement and so i think that was the question that i had is like i have no answer to it but how

[2:33:21] Voice 3: do we manage like the higher density all in one area do we just wait for some applicant to not

[2:33:27] Voice 3: renew and then we just you know because i don't know i just have a question about that i think

[2:33:33] Voice 11: that was the same thing that i wondered and really it was pretty straightforward except for the fact

[2:33:39] Voice 11: that we had designated not having that many in an area and i think it you haven't you haven't come

[2:33:46] Voice 11: close to what your number is within like a certain like 400 meters or something like that of another

[2:33:53] Voice 11: other one and then I think it says in the in the application that there's three

[2:33:58] Voice 11: 75 meters or something like that so how did we end up at that point

[2:34:04] Voice 11: and now

[2:34:05] Voice 14: that that's to punish punish you

[2:34:09] Voice 11: pro or con to to to approval just trying to understand if we set up these guidelines why

[2:34:18] Voice 11: Why did we end up at this point?

[2:34:20] Voice 11: It was pre-guidelines.

[2:34:21] Voice 11: Oh, it was pre-guidelines?

[2:34:22] Voice 11: It was pre-guidelines.

[2:34:23] Voice 11: So,

[2:34:23] Voice 3: well, not pre-STVR guidelines, but pre the, like, density issue being introduced.

[2:34:29] Voice 3: So, because the guidelines were there in 2000.

[2:34:33] Voice 3: I think I actually approved the first one for actual STVR things when I first came in in 2018.

[2:34:39] Voice 3: and um but then we reviewed them last term

[2:34:44] Voice 17: and

[2:34:45] Voice 3: they got a little tighter in terms of like cap

[2:34:48] Voice 3: on density in the overall area and that change we didn't retroactively apply it because that we

[2:34:56] Voice 3: didn't want to like punitively like say hey you have to one of you has to go you know like survival

[2:35:02] Voice 3: or something like that we didn't want to do that so we had no real mechanism to do that so i guess

[2:35:07] Voice 3: that's just my ongoing concern i just want to name it i don't know what to do about it do you get

[2:35:11] Voice 3: complaints

[2:35:12] Voice 5: from the local neighbors one of my properties it's a vacant lot for on a zon schooner

[2:35:17] Voice 5: as

[2:35:17] Voice 25: well but i'm just just curious like what's the difference whether they're renting the property

[2:35:23] Voice 25: or whether the owners are on the property is the traffic

[2:35:26] Voice 25: different

[2:35:27] Voice 3: there's a perception by people

[2:35:29] Voice 3: so there's two areas where i do get emails about the road and so there's perceptions that people

[2:35:34] Voice 3: that they don't know are moving around so that's one right it's not a neighborhood feel so we're

[2:35:39] Voice 3: disrupting the neighborhood nature of of a residential area with a commercial activity

[2:35:46] Voice 3: totally fair and so that's one thing the other thing is that um there are some people that just

[2:35:53] Voice 3: drive differently than if you live there when you're we're vacationing and people aren't as

[2:35:57] Voice 3: is aware. Well,

[2:36:03] Voice 3: not even just the number of vehicles, just the way people are driving.

[2:36:05] Voice 11: Outside of the immediate sort of distance to the property concern, there is an overall concern,

[2:36:15] Voice 11: media-driven concern, that STVRs are the reason that we don't have affordable housing.

[2:36:21] Voice 11: yeah on pander though we don't actually have the quantity of stvrs that the media reports

[2:36:32] Voice 11: in other communities when you look at somewhere somewhere up the sunshine coast

[2:36:42] Voice 11: 185 operating stvrs going through water issues going through all of these things

[2:36:49] Voice 11: like very much affecting the community um that gets blanket applied to any stvr anywhere in the

[2:37:00] Voice 11: province people look at it and they have this negative connotation in the back of their mind

[2:37:05] Voice 11: that that is what's going to happen with everyone and so we i think we hear about every meeting

[2:37:09] Voice 11: pretty much somebody somebody during town hall usually brings up something to do with the number

[2:37:16] Voice 11: of stvrs and the lack of affordable housing on bender yeah we we don't really we don't really

[2:37:25] Voice 11: have that many of them and what we're trying to do is control the number of them that there are

[2:37:30] Voice 11: in one area yeah and it's that we would only approve 20 in magic lake there's only 11 i think

[2:37:38] Voice 11: that are directly associated with the magic lake water supply and one that is outside of that so

[2:37:45] Voice 11: like a well property or just on the edge of it or something so we don't really have that density

[2:37:51] Voice 11: where we do have a problem is there are people that try to do it without getting any sort of

[2:37:56] Voice 11: permitting without having to to operate within any sort of guidelines and so that's where we

[2:38:02] Voice 11: do see an enforcement issue but it still isn't anywhere near the numbers that are being reported

[2:38:09] Voice 11: in other communities in British Columbia so so thank you

[2:38:13] Voice 3: sorry we also have we also have a

[2:38:15] Voice 3: confusion issue because some people think that um you know if there's the 11 stvrs or whatever it is

[2:38:21] Voice 3: that we have here that that we show you 11 stvrs that's actually not true either because you can

[2:38:27] Voice 3: you can live in your own home and stv are a portion of your existing like rooms yes and that's a home

[2:38:34] Voice 3: own thing and you don't have to apply for a team so

[2:38:37] Voice 5: we're offering

[2:38:38] Voice 5: them there via bnb yeah no it's

[2:38:41] Voice 5: not even going to be a b but literally but you are there on set yeah um

[2:38:47] Voice 15: so you had your hand up

[2:38:49] Voice 15: are you still wanting to talk yeah

[2:38:52] Voice 22: i i it was more of an observation or even a question uh

[2:38:56] Voice 22: i was interested to hear that the concern being the uh being that there are other air uh um

[2:39:04] Voice 22: short-term rentals on this in the same proximity and therefore congesting the road i think

[2:39:10] Voice 22: and i i could be wrong here that the it's more of a distance wise and therefore you know i think

[2:39:16] Voice 22: the next closest one is up the coast a bit but it's a different road access so i just don't

[2:39:22] Voice 22: think that there's a i don't even know if there's another one on storm crescent itself maybe there

[2:39:27] Voice 22: is but the one that i know about is it feeds in on on a higher a higher street it's just an

[2:39:33] Voice 22: observation when you're looking i suppose at proximity and worrying about traffic perhaps uh

[2:39:38] Voice 22: it's it's more um you know it's it's they're sort of almost i think slightly different um

[2:39:45] Voice 22: worries you know because it's you're you're you've got cars going to to different places um

[2:39:56] Voice 22: Okay, that was just an observation while you guys were talking about, okay, there is another

[2:40:04] Voice 14: one.

[2:40:07] Voice 14: It looks like Jason to this property, and then one down below your guidelines that should

[2:40:16] Voice 14: not approve more than one short term vacation rental temporary use

[2:40:19] Voice 14: current with an interior

[2:40:20] Voice 14: immediate radius from str but as he states that or as chairman stated uh this is a renewal and uh

[2:40:27] Voice 14: there was an improvement and there are guidelines that uh have some flexibility yeah and like i

[2:40:34] Voice 14: said i wasn't

[2:40:35] Voice 11: asking that to to yeah try to enforce this rule about everything i'm just curious

[2:40:41] Voice 11: how we how we come to some of these things because for me it's i've only been involved

[2:40:44] Voice 11: in this for a year and a half now yeah right like something deb has previous four years on me on

[2:40:50] Voice 11: that or has more understanding to the specifics of it yeah

[2:40:55] Voice 3: and the goal the goal for that particular

[2:40:58] Voice 3: thing was to try and alleviate the issue of like not having neighbors that are in residence with

[2:41:04] Voice 10: you

[2:41:04] Voice 3: like to try and keep the neighborhood feel of streets um it

[2:41:07] Voice 10: was a big concern

[2:41:10] Voice 10: just sorry um just in the background so that our neighbors on either side of us are not

[2:41:16] Voice 10: they're permanently they're just they live in vancouver uh they come back

[2:41:20] Voice 10: forth so there are no neighbors they're full-time um and with regards to our stays we try to push

[2:41:28] Voice 10: for long-term stays not just one night thing we don't do that much we don't have one night

[2:41:33] Voice 10: it's just not welcome uh so and just to generalize the sense that people who come to us um we've

[2:41:42] Voice 10: never actually had a problem and they like to stay there they're not really into going shopping

[2:41:48] Voice 10: they're trying

[2:41:49] Voice 10: to get away and escape right guru victoria so they i don't there's not so much

[2:41:55] Voice 10: mobility i'm sure there is but there's not so much they're really enjoying being at the actual

[2:42:01] Voice 10: property.

[2:42:05] Voice 10: We've had the

[2:42:05] Voice 10: property since

[2:42:08] Voice 10: my baby

[2:42:10] Voice 10: since

[2:42:12] Voice 10: 1973.

[2:42:14] Voice 10: My mom just died.

[2:42:16] Voice 10: And the reason why we're doing this

[2:42:18] Voice 10: is just an affordability issue.

[2:42:20] Voice 10: We still come to the place a lot

[2:42:22] Voice 10: and assist to help cover the

[2:42:24] Voice 10: expenses.

[2:42:25] Voice 10: I think

[2:42:26] Voice 15: to address

[2:42:27] Voice 15: Dr. Campbell's

[2:42:28] Voice 15: comment, it seems to be

[2:42:30] Voice 15: that the the template is that their family homes that you want to use the bed but to sort of cover

[2:42:37] Voice 15: your costs you want to be right on the whole so it doesn't really if it wasn't being used for an

[2:42:42] Voice 15: stvr it wouldn't be available it wouldn't be available anyway so yeah yeah

[2:42:47] Voice 3: and that's something

[2:42:49] Voice 3: that will hopefully capture a bit more with the work on the housing project that we're doing

[2:42:52] Voice 3: because that is a i think it's a bit of a myth in communities that stvr is directly transferred to

[2:42:57] Voice 3: rental and that's not actually i don't think the case that we see in the business so

[2:43:01] Voice 15: something

[2:43:02] Voice 15: prepared to make a motion earlier move

[2:43:04] Voice 3: that didn't uh i believe on 21. yeah

[2:43:07] Voice 5: okay so

[2:43:08] Voice 3: the north bendera

[2:43:09] Voice 3: island the trust committee approved issues the temporary use permit nptup 2024.2 pedifer for a

[2:43:19] Voice 3: period three years

[2:43:21] Voice 15: seconded any further discussion one

[2:43:25] Voice 3: quick comment i don't want to change the

[2:43:27] Voice 3: permit today because i think it's too short of notice but i did have conversations with mike

[2:43:31] Voice 3: earlier um this spring um but it would be on the i've

[2:43:36] Voice 10: got the gentleman's book so yeah

[2:43:38] Voice 3: and we might

[2:43:38] Voice 3: try to figure out a way to actually put that on the guidelines going forward so that everybody

[2:43:42] Voice 3: just does that when they come up for renewal so yeah

[2:43:43] Voice 10: that's a good point yeah but

[2:43:45] Voice 10: it's a good

[2:43:45] Voice 3: idea it'll protect you thanks

[2:43:47] Voice 10: for your time everybody thank you very much

[2:44:02] Voice 15: You know, just for everything on that topic, is it, does the planners maintain a mailing

[2:44:11] Voice 15: list of the TUPs?

[2:44:13] Do we

[2:44:15] Voice 15: maintain a mailing list?

[2:44:16] Voice 15: There's a mailing list?

[2:44:18] Voice 15: Yeah, like basically everybody's got a TUP.

[2:44:20] Voice 15: There's a map on the website.

[2:44:22] Voice 15: so what i'm suggesting is that all the existing tups or other grass tbrs is easy for us to send

[2:44:31] Voice 15: them a letter like suggesting that they get a hold of our department to have an inspection

[2:44:38] Voice 15: enough i guess so that might be something one we might want to consider yeah let's go through

[2:44:42] Voice 3: applications

[2:44:43] Voice 14: okay so i think that well in my view i think you would want to turn your mind more to

[2:44:52] Voice 14: like this is not a new idea that Mike has brought up and it has been explored before.

[2:44:58] Voice 14: There are like some complexity in setting it up.

[2:45:06] Voice 14: So I would be a little cautious to be putting something on property owners where you're

[2:45:12] Voice 14: not really even sure what you're asking them to do.

[2:45:14] Voice 14: I would look forward if I were you.

[2:45:17] Voice 15: so I see

[2:45:20] Voice 15: James popped up on screen

[2:45:21] Voice 15: do you have a brief comment

[2:45:22] Voice 15: just very briefly

[2:45:24] Voice 13: probably be best if we looked at

[2:45:27] Voice 13: what are the issues

[2:45:29] Voice 13: what could we achieve in

[2:45:31] Voice 13: cooperation with the fire department

[2:45:33] Voice 13: what are the options to do that

[2:45:35] Voice 13: rather than just settling on one

[2:45:41] Voice 15: at the end of the day

[2:45:42] Voice 15: if we ask for a staff

[2:45:45] Voice 15: report would that be appropriate i think you would have to put it on your project

[2:45:49] Voice 14: or you could uh when a tup comes up and you're thinking about a condition that

[2:46:01] Voice 14: maybe is another way you could have staff to uh write it in as a condition

[2:46:06] Voice 14: to each other. You could request that, like, leave us some advice around.

[2:46:15] Voice 3: Yeah. And like, you work with the power department, right?

[2:46:18] Voice 3: Not anymore. But

[2:46:20] Voice 23: he's easy to know about this, too.

[2:46:22] Voice 3: Well, I've sat down and looked at them. So, like, I understand what is being asked.

[2:46:27] Voice 3: All

[2:46:27] Voice 15: right, so we'll move over to 13.2 and NPDVP2024.2 and NPDVP2024.1, Milken, patients 47 to 75, Dr.

[2:46:53] Voice 8: Smith is coming up to speak.

[2:46:55] Voice 8: Thank

[2:47:09] Voice 14: you. This is being presented for Planner Testavel, who's on vacation.

[2:47:16] Voice 14: So what is in front of you here is an application for a development permit and a development

[2:47:21] Voice 14: variance permit, as well as a waiver for the 10% exemption for road frontage for a property

[2:47:31] Voice 14: of 1601 Chart Drive and 1610 Screenway.

[2:47:36] Voice 14: So the report is to consider a combined development permit

[2:47:39] Voice 14: and development variance permit required

[2:47:41] Voice 14: for proposed boundary adjustment subdivision.

[2:47:43] Voice 14: The development is restricted to the realignment

[2:47:46] Voice 14: of the boundary between the two subject properties

[2:47:49] Voice 14: and the number of properties will remain the same

[2:47:51] Voice 14: and there's no construction or lander alteration

[2:47:53] Voice 14: associated with the application.

[2:47:55] Voice 14: The draft DP has been reviewed by reporters attached

[2:48:01] Voice 14: There is a slight change in log configurations to allow for an area outside of the DP, which, from a planning perspective, is a recommended thing.

[2:48:12] Voice 14: To avoid those DP areas is always the best approach.

[2:48:17] Voice 14: And the variance permit, the development variance permit, will just remedy the siting of the existing dwelling by changing the boundary.

[2:48:27] Voice 14: really address that and the minimum frontage is just a standard requirement so at time of

[2:48:35] Voice 14: subdivision and the local trust committee has the ability to waive that right now so

[2:48:40] Voice 8: pass it back to you chair marvin questions you may have or myself

[2:48:44] Voice 8: we have the applicant here in the audience today thank you any questions for the planner for the

[2:48:50] Voice 8: applicants no

[2:48:53] Voice 11: it seemed it was pretty i think there was some misunderstanding from the public

[2:48:59] Voice 11: a couple of emails that came um later uh thinking that this was to build

[2:49:06] Voice 11: like um no it's for privacy honestly and and

[2:49:11] Voice 11: so i think that people didn't understand that

[2:49:15] Voice 11: this is literally a pen stroke on a piece of paper as opposed to a theoretical line

[2:49:20] Voice 11: clear yeah yeah so

[2:49:26] Voice 3: the i think it's fine too because what i can see is the adjustment is fine

[2:49:32] Voice 3: but lot a the the sort of new lot a um does it have buildable space outside the dpa2 then yeah

[2:49:42] Voice 7: that's

[2:49:43] Voice 3: okay okay small house near the top of the screen away

[2:49:47] Voice 5: um is possible yes that's

[2:49:51] Voice 5: That's not in our near future,

[2:49:52] Voice 25: by any means.

[2:49:55] Voice 25: It's just a little

[2:49:55] Voice 5: bit of background.

[2:49:57] Voice 5: We purchased the lot

[2:50:00] Voice 25: and house on chart in November of 2013.

[2:50:07] Voice 25: The following year, we totally

[2:50:09] Voice 5: renovated the septic.

[2:50:10] Voice 5: In 2017, we renovated the entire house, keeping the footprint and adding a small portico over the front door.

[2:50:18] Voice 5: at that point we had this room on the south side which was built in the 90s for which they had to

[2:50:29] Voice 5: obtain a little easement because it infringed on that property line and you know starting to

[2:50:37] Voice 5: enjoy that room we realized that there wasn't a lot of space between us

[2:50:44] Voice 25: there was no space between

[2:50:45] Voice 25: between us and that lot so when that lot came up for sale we bid on it because we didn't want

[2:50:51] Voice 25: anybody traipsing right past our window on a regular basis not that that's easy thing to do

[2:50:56] Voice 25: um the you know the yeah the lot falls off like this into the ocean and it's literally literally

[2:51:04] Voice 25: 10 feet of waterfront it was one of those crazy magic lake things yeah um

[2:51:08] Voice 25: i i think that what

[2:51:10] Voice 25: we're doing is making the lots much more sensible yeah i i really do um i you know even if you guys

[2:51:19] Voice 25: uh

[2:51:19] Voice 5: approve this i still have lots of hurdles with mlt and i to um to do this boundary adjustment

[2:51:27] Voice 5: but we'd like to grab that little green space and

[2:51:31] Voice 25: make the other a building lot which it already is

[2:51:37] Voice 25: um maybe sell it maybe build a

[2:51:41] Voice 5: little house maybe

[2:51:42] Voice 25: who knows i don't know i'm just trying

[2:51:44] Voice 25: to get our ducks in a row

[2:51:46] Voice 18: and

[2:51:47] Voice 5: preserve our

[2:51:48] Voice 3: forest room that sounds great and i'm like happy to hear

[2:51:54] Voice 3: that that the green space is what you like about that since it's bright and like the dpa looks like

[2:51:58] Voice 3: it actually clicks around your little room too yeah okay

[2:52:02] Voice 25: and we we adore the eagles right yeah

[2:52:04] Voice 5: that's my story all

[2:52:07] Voice 8: right so i'm going to make a motion it's page 27. absolutely

[2:52:15] Voice 8: first one

[2:52:16] Voice 5: we have one of the

[2:52:17] Voice 8: time okay

[2:52:21] Voice 11: that the north bend around local trust committee

[2:52:25] Voice 11: approved issuance of development permit mpvp 2024.2

[2:52:30] Voice 15: okay second second a discussion

[2:52:34] Voice 15: Second. Discussion. Call

[2:52:35] Voice 11: question. All in favor? That carries.

[2:52:38] Voice 11: That the North Benner Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development variance permit NPDDP 2024.1.

[2:52:47] Voice 11: Second. Discussion. Call question. All in favor? Carries.

[2:52:51] Voice 11: That the North Penner Island Local Trust Committee exempt proposed Lot B of Subdivision NPSUB 2020.1 from the 110th Perimeter Provision of Section 512 of the Local Government Act and Subsection 8.51 of North Penner Island Land Use By-law No. 2024-2022.

[2:53:15] Voice 11: Seconded.

[2:53:16] Voice 11: I'll second. I have a question about this.

[2:53:17] Voice 11: Okay, discussion.

[2:53:18] Voice 11: So

[2:53:19] Voice 3: just to, that's just about the width of the little panhandle piece?

[2:53:27] Voice 14: The amount of blood that follows the road is how French it's calculated.

[2:53:36] Voice 3: Yeah, okay.

[2:53:37] Voice 14: Excluding, go ahead.

[2:53:39] Voice 3: Okay, and so that's all it's going to exclude is really just that road along the panhandle?

[2:53:43] Voice 3: So

[2:53:43] Voice 14: they really just excluding the, the, the,

[2:53:50] Voice 8: the land, the

[2:53:52] Voice 14: land, the land act requires

[2:53:54] Voice 14: for, I'm not sure the exact provision, but, but voting requires 10% frontage on all their

[2:54:01] Voice 14: laws.

[2:54:03] Voice 14: You, but the legislation also allows to waive that requirement.

[2:54:09] Voice 14: So in this case, as there's no change in frontage, but it really is to reduce the chance that you create a lot without reasonable road access for the driveway is the ultimate goal of that frontage.

[2:54:26] Voice 3: Yeah, my question was really more about like, is there anything else in that subsection that by saying we're excluding that thing that we're doing something else?

[2:54:35] Voice 3: so only

[2:54:36] Voice 14: you're waving that they don't have 10 of their lawn when i'm touching everybody yeah

[2:54:42] Voice 14: and this in a case where uh they're creating a new lot and a new driveway and maybe there isn't

[2:54:51] Voice 14: enough space that they're proposing maybe then you would reduce that without waving that but

[2:54:55] Voice 14: in this case there's no real change and in most in most cases quite often it's a revision that

[2:55:03] Voice 14: this quite often comes up and just quite often it's 10 to be a lot

[2:55:09] Voice 3: highly technical little pieces

[2:55:10] Voice 3: of planning all right great

[2:55:12] Voice 8: question all

[2:55:13] Voice 15: in favor that carries thank

[2:55:16] Voice 5: you all right

[2:55:17] Voice 15: thank you very

[2:55:18] Voice 15: much

[2:55:18] Voice 5: all right

[2:55:23] Voice 15: we're rolling on 13.3 we have north pender rsn 2021.1 uh page 76. um

[2:55:38] Voice 14: Staff report in front of you here with a rezoning application, a preliminary report seeking direction from the local trust committee to proceed with the application to begin the preparation of draft bylaws.

[2:55:52] Voice 14: So as you know, Mr. Grimmer, who's in the audience here today, is operating its concrete batch plans on the property of 4415 Bedwell Harbour Road.

[2:56:01] Voice 14: He's been operating under TEP since 2018, 2019.

[2:56:10] Voice 14: and that TUP has a number of conditions.

[2:56:14] Voice 14: He's complied with all of those conditions

[2:56:15] Voice 14: and since his new TUP has been applied for,

[2:56:22] Voice 14: there has been no concerns raised by the community.

[2:56:26] Voice 14: So Mr. Grimmer is now seeking a more long-term use

[2:56:30] Voice 14: of that land through rezoning seeking a site specific

[2:56:34] Voice 14: or would end up being just like we've talked about earlier

[2:56:37] Voice 14: in your meeting a site-specific industrial use zone for that particular area identified on page

[2:56:46] Voice 14: 78 of your package the proposed area for rezoning

[2:56:55] Voice 14: industrial use and the proposed layout is more or less similar to what he is doing now

[2:57:06] Voice 14: structures. You know, initial review, the proposal appears consistent with the trust

[2:57:15] Voice 14: policy statement, more assessment of that would be done when bylaws are brought to you

[2:57:19] Voice 14: for first reading. It would be generally consistent with the proposal or with the policies in

[2:57:27] Voice 14: official community plan if it were to be zoned industrial as a as a next step if you decide to

[2:57:36] Voice 14: move forward today staff would issue a terms of reference for the to the applicant the terms of

[2:57:41] Voice 14: reference would include requirements around uh demonstrating uh sustainable water supply and waste

[2:57:47] Voice 14: disposal capability consistent with your cp and your land use provisions

[2:57:55] Voice 14: The property is currently zoned rural except

[2:57:58] Voice 14: for a small portion that is the transfer station,

[2:58:02] Voice 14: which was re-zoned general industrial as well with the site-specific e-zoning.

[2:58:08] Voice 14: You could, as we spoke to earlier, you could issue a section 219 covenant that captures

[2:58:18] Voice 14: more conditions that it would capture some of the things in the TEP that in a sense kind

[2:58:24] Voice 14: of get lost through uh rezoning and with that we will pass it back to the chair and the applicants

[2:58:35] Voice 14: are here to speak to their application as well interesting any questions for the

[2:58:39] Voice 15: partner or the applicant um

[2:58:41] Voice 3: the section thing that you just said brad that we could just map that up

[2:58:46] Voice 3: uh against the tup conditions section

[2:58:49] Voice 14: 219 covenant the land title covenant gives broad authority for

[2:58:54] Voice 14: you to establish conditions uh in the wide range and so i think uh uh yes um whether it could

[2:59:06] Voice 14: include operating hours and those kinds of things i don't need to do more assessment of but it could

[2:59:12] Voice 14: certainly include any conditions around protection of the environment or monitoring any of those

[2:59:18] Voice 14: other aspects of the tbp yeah

[2:59:20] Voice 3: that's the number one concern i've heard about rezoning that is

[2:59:24] Voice 3: is just around, well, there's two concerns,

[2:59:27] Voice 3: but the one that we can do something about

[2:59:30] Voice 3: is really about ongoing monitoring

[2:59:33] Voice 3: just to ensure your water quality.

[2:59:34] Voice 3: So

[2:59:34] Voice 14: your TEP does have the requirement

[2:59:36] Voice 14: that Mr. Cooper establish a monitoring

[2:59:38] Voice 14: by the end of the first year,

[2:59:40] Voice 14: and he's identified a site that he can speak to,

[2:59:42] Voice 14: maybe he's out with that.

[2:59:43] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:59:43] Voice 14: As soon as the dry zone is good enough.

[2:59:45] Voice 14: Yeah, and so that monitoring,

[2:59:46] Voice 14: well, you could establish.

[2:59:48] Voice 9: I

[2:59:49] Voice 14: don't know how those

[2:59:49] Voice 9: two years of monitoring.

[2:59:51] Voice 9: I

[2:59:51] Voice 14: know, it's great.

[2:59:51] Voice 14: So he

[2:59:52] Voice 14: comes and checks up when I'm up here.

[2:59:56] Voice 14: it could be yearly monitoring or it could be a requirement

[3:00:00] Voice 14: monitoring when asked like that he's collecting and yeah

[3:00:03] Voice 17: just storing the

[3:00:03] Voice 14: data and more of it as

[3:00:06] Voice 14: needed yeah but that so yes absolutely um it shares like for example the uh rezoning proposal

[3:00:15] Voice 14: on galliano for portables you have really wide complex requirements around all sorts of things so

[3:00:21] Voice 14: you certainly apply the same approach here if you want to have maybe some more control than

[3:00:28] Voice 14: what is appropriate to put these on yeah

[3:00:30] Voice 3: so maybe aaron just a question for you then like for me

[3:00:35] Voice 3: the concern is around that water and like as it moves out where it goes because they

[3:00:39] Voice 3: you know some of it goes down towards hope bay um and so like making sure that that water is

[3:00:44] Voice 3: you know clean as well

[3:00:46] Voice 9: so we have that the monitoring well time right below where all

[3:00:50] Voice 9: that watch out we also have one that's for garden fields a lot deeper yeah and then i say like the

[3:00:56] Voice 9: year monitoring yeah that's going to be really easy yeah

[3:01:00] Voice 3: so i would be a really game for that

[3:01:03] Voice 3: like to whatever that kind of monitoring that we established in the tup just to have that mapped

[3:01:07] Voice 3: into yeah and i'll get out and

[3:01:08] Voice 14: you're involved with you guys there right thank you uh there

[3:01:13] Voice 14: might be the need for a groundwater report like and then i'm not sure i haven't dug deep into

[3:01:19] Voice 14: you to what you was uh uh submitting that with for your tdp stuff around groundwater

[3:01:24] Voice 14: but uh that if there is not sufficient information from a professional hydrogeologist then

[3:01:32] Voice 14: uh in terms of

[3:01:35] Voice 14: reference would probably include uh the expectation that the applicant submitted

[3:01:39] Voice 8: a report uh assessing

[3:01:41] Voice 3: the woman and that could be done every couple of years like i'm talking about

[3:01:45] Voice 14: Like, before you level the rezoning, so hydrogeologist, if you've been using water and you're also

[3:01:53] Voice 14: still...

[3:01:54] Voice 14: Water should be, like, current time.

[3:01:56] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:01:57] Voice 14: Yeah, that's great.

[3:01:59] Voice 14: But you would also want to know before you rezone if there's enough water there

[3:02:04] Voice 14: to allow that to proceed, which is pretty water-intensive, I guess.

[3:02:08] Voice 14: But

[3:02:08] Voice 11: the flow is good over there, yeah.

[3:02:10] Voice 11: yeah so how do we read this in with like how do we

[3:02:16] Voice 14: um like the section 219 piece

[3:02:22] Voice 14: yeah i think that can come once you give direction nice yeah like once you give direction for staff

[3:02:28] Voice 14: to uh draft a bylaw we will come with the bylaw that describes how the zoning would change right

[3:02:37] Voice 14: Right. And then we can also provide some analysis of what the TEP says and you could provide some direction on what you think is important to capture above and beyond what zoning might be.

[3:02:52] Voice 14: So, for example, Section 219 would also be an appropriate place to put the site map that's on page 78 that he's laid out.

[3:03:04] Voice 14: yeah and so rather than having like there are some zoning uh where you have site-specific mapping but

[3:03:12] Voice 14: that's moving away from more to having this kind of information captured in the section

[3:03:18] Voice 14: g19 yeah which goes on title of the property and so even if mr grimmer in the future sold

[3:03:25] Voice 14: his business and moved on all of those conditions would still apply to you you

[3:03:31] Voice 3: want to move on you

[3:03:32] Voice 3: know you

[3:03:33] Voice 14: want

[3:03:33] Voice 3: to do a lot of years ago

[3:03:38] Voice 14: so if there's one person or wanting to change the use in some way he would be restricted that

[3:03:45] Voice 14: covenant would carry on that's great so it's another another layer of kind of regulatory

[3:03:54] Voice 14: uh

[3:03:54] Voice 15: assurance so one question page 109 there's a groundwater vulnerability map

[3:04:02] Voice 15: that's unattributed. What's the source of that?

[3:04:07] Voice 8: Yeah,

[3:04:08] Voice 3: it was way

[3:04:08] Voice 9: back when we first started this, I think, wasn't it?

[3:04:11] Voice 3: Yeah, it might have been produced by our hydrologist, or it could have been from yours.

[3:04:18] Voice 3: Because we might have used some of the original,

[3:04:21] Voice 3: I don't know if we had it at that point, but there was also a hydrologist who took over.

[3:04:26] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:04:27] Voice 15: I get this. I know that our stuff hasn't been verified.

[3:04:33] Voice 3: No, this could have been from a hydrologist.

[3:04:35] Voice 14: So this map is just from the tapas layer that, are you talking about this map?

[3:04:40] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:04:40] Voice 14: That is from the tapas layer that is in our tapas map.

[3:04:45] Voice 14: So that is, I would say that, though, that William's work isn't represented on this map,

[3:04:51] Voice 14: map and that uh if you give directions to proceed that terms of reference will require some kind of

[3:04:58] Voice 14: water assessment and that water assessment look at all of that yeah summarize it in a report saying

[3:05:04] Voice 14: there is sufficient water there isn't or there if there isn't

[3:05:09] Voice 14: here's how you can mitigate and

[3:05:10] Voice 14: all those kinds of things so

[3:05:12] Voice 15: my own suggestion is you know in staff reports it would be nice

[3:05:17] Voice 15: to have those attributed so we know if it came from a consultant or internally so

[3:05:20] Voice 14: all of these

[3:05:21] Voice 14: maps are from tapas they're all internally okay um

[3:05:26] Voice 3: maybe if i could just add one thing to this

[3:05:29] Voice 3: conversation so i think it was one of the first things that i did actually as a trustee too was

[3:05:35] Voice 3: visit uh whenever the the concrete plan moved over to that site

[3:05:40] Voice 3: and i remember our very first

[3:05:41] Voice 3: conversation um and so i just appreciate that you because like my guidance on everyone was doing

[3:05:50] Voice 3: like any of the circus just please follow the rules like just if we set it out please follow it

[3:05:56] Voice 3: and so i'm really happy to hear that all the conditions have been like met on the tp that

[3:06:01] Voice 3: makes me like a happy camper happy trustee camper um and so because that's we put those conditions

[3:06:07] Voice 3: in not because we're trying to be big and mean but because we're trying to correct you know

[3:06:11] Voice 3: protect for the community so i'm really happy to see that and yeah i'm happy to go ahead and

[3:06:17] Voice 3: move the motion to look at whatever is happening do you have anything else you want to add you're

[3:06:23] Voice 3: like no no wait stop i don't want that you

[3:06:25] Voice 5: know

[3:06:27] Voice 3: it's going to be a bit of an uphill conversation

[3:06:30] Voice 3: you're going to need some thinking about how you share this to the community because there's not

[3:06:34] Voice 3: the other main pushback is you know it's not the gulf excavating site i'm like

[3:06:42] Voice 3: so it was a conversation we're having earlier today i'll put something out about brain and

[3:06:46] Voice 3: stuff so yeah but so you'll have to just think through how you're going to communicate that with

[3:06:51] Voice 3: community um all right which page man the one was that one uh

[3:06:56] Voice 15: 76 76 okay

[3:06:58] Voice 3: thank you let me jump in

[3:06:59] Voice 3: oh no i was on 76 107 okay uh the north thunder island local trust committee direct staff to

[3:07:08] Voice 3: proceed with application NPRZ2024.1, Grimmer, and to prepare draft wildlife.

[3:07:19] Voice 15: Is that good? Any further discussion? No.

[3:07:22] Voice 15: Call the question. All in favor? Next step.

[3:07:26] Voice 3: Just out of curiosity, is there a boat still in your yard?

[3:07:30] Voice 15: No.

[3:07:31] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:07:33] Voice 5: It keeps

[3:07:34] Voice 14: getting better and better.

[3:07:45] Voice 15: Okay, moving on, we have 14.1, Raptor Nest Mapping Decay

[3:07:50] Voice 5: Project, another happy trustee,

[3:07:54] Voice 15: this is a bad trend here.

[3:07:59] Voice 15: So on page 114, so in the continuation of making trustee happy day.

[3:08:08] Voice 14: So I have a staff report here with an update of some substantive progress on your STPA

[3:08:15] Voice 14: review project.

[3:08:16] Voice 14: So we have more or less

[3:08:18] Voice 14: completed the project with Dan Baxter, we expect to collect data

[3:08:24] Voice 14: data on reviewing existing sites, identifying new sites, as well as reviewing the OCP guidelines

[3:08:32] Voice 14: in relation to the raptor nest areas.

[3:08:37] Voice 14: So staff are presenting this report with two recommendations that you direct staff to prepare

[3:08:43] Voice 14: a job bylaw to update the schedule O of the OCP and the associated guidelines consistent

[3:08:49] Voice 14: with the recommendations of the professional report, and that you direct staff to conduct

[3:08:59] Voice 14: early engagement with the property owners by sending an information letter regarding

[3:09:03] Voice 14: the project to all registered property owners and where existing or new Raptor Nest sites

[3:09:08] Voice 14: exist.

[3:09:10] Voice 14: So the report has identified 18 new sites and identified that all of the previous sites

[3:09:19] Voice 14: are still viable except for the one on Schooner Way which was assessed previously by the same

[3:09:24] Voice 14: biologist and one site was deemed to be no longer viable so the staff would recommend that you

[3:09:32] Voice 14: remove that site from the mapping the other site on that property is still valuable of course and

[3:09:38] Voice 14: that it would remain and then the QEP has also provided a number of what staff I think we would

[3:09:49] Voice 14: need a deeper dive to go through each one as we have direction to create a new by-law.

[3:09:56] Voice 14: I think the recommendations of the consultant are well considered and staff would seek to

[3:10:04] Voice 14: update the OCP with those recommendations and other recommendations may follow as we

[3:10:11] Voice 14: get more deep into that.

[3:10:16] Voice 8: So, I think I will pass it back to the Chair.

[3:10:19] Voice 8: Okay, do you guys have any questions?

[3:10:23] Voice 14: I think we

[3:10:24] Voice 3: probably have the same question.

[3:10:25] Voice 14: No, maybe not.

[3:10:26] Voice 14: Also, there was a First Nations engagement letter that was sent, which was part of your project charter, and it is clearly what you have.

[3:10:33] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:10:34] Voice 14: It invites First Nations to participate.

[3:10:37] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:10:38] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:10:41] Voice 11: I was just curious um in the data collected um there's I'm pretty sure that there are some in

[3:10:52] Voice 11: the national park but is that that's outside okay that that was what I was curious about I

[3:10:58] Voice 11: had looked at it before and I I know like I've got a bald eagle that shows up every year um

[3:11:05] Voice 11: uh just in the national park off the farm yeah and so officially

[3:11:09] Voice 23: i didn't come into that one

[3:11:11] Voice 11: yeah no no no no yeah that was kind of kind of what i thought it was on the record yeah

[3:11:19] Voice 11: gotcha

[3:11:23] Voice 8: um

[3:11:23] Voice 3: so it's really my i i'm happy to read these into motions for my back sorry um but it's just

[3:11:31] Voice 3: the 4815 one that i want to just clarify um so um at the moment and i know that from the report it

[3:11:41] Voice 3: may be recommended that way but at the moment i don't want to change any of the zoning on those

[3:11:45] Voice 3: 4815 because we're still in the process of trying to figure out

[3:11:50] Voice 14: here a long ways

[3:11:51] Voice 23: away from actually

[3:11:51] Voice 23: going to be speaking darker yeah a little same with that one i i visited before the current

[3:11:58] the property owners on that one end so the one that's recommended being removed then is a

[3:12:05] historical regular

[3:12:06] Voice 23: area nesting area which is no longer viable okay

[3:12:09] Voice 23: okay that's

[3:12:13] Voice 3: fine that's really my issue

[3:12:17] Voice 14: and the bylaw convention or the bylaw

[3:12:20] Voice 14: contravention is for the dp convention it's only then focusing on the one still value

[3:12:25] Voice 14: okay

[3:12:25] Voice 3: i'm good with that's it i just wanted to make sure we weren't undermining ourselves

[3:12:29] Voice 3: okay and

[3:12:34] Voice 14: presumably that will play open form

[3:12:40] Voice 3: okay um all right i'm good with this this is great thank you for this work

[3:12:44] Voice 15: so page 114 we have some recommendations

[3:12:55] Voice 7: That the

[3:12:57] Voice 3: North Fender Island Local Change Committee direct staff did prepare a draft

[3:13:00] Voice 3: by-law to update Schedule O of the North Fender Island Enrichment Community Plan number 171-2007

[3:13:05] Voice 3: and associated development permit area seven guidelines consistent with the professional

[3:13:11] Voice 3: report submitted by Coriunas Environmental dated March 2024.

[3:13:20] Voice 15: Seconded.

[3:13:21] Voice 15: Any further discussion?

[3:13:23] Voice 15: All in favor?

[3:13:24] Voice 15: all in favor that's near that

[3:13:26] Voice 3: the north canada island local trust committee direct staff to

[3:13:28] Voice 3: conduct early engagement with property owners by sending an informational letter regarding the

[3:13:32] Voice 3: project to all registered property owners of land parcels that contain either existing or

[3:13:37] Voice 3: newly proposed development from an area southern rock to nest sites

[3:13:40] Voice 15: second discussion all questions

[3:13:43] Voice 15: all in favor excellent

[3:13:45] Voice 3: thank you very much so

[3:13:47] Voice 14: dad has agreed to work a little bit with me on

[3:13:50] Voice 14: finalizing the map and finalizing the finalizing the map and then including that in the finalized

[3:13:59] Voice 14: report that will then be on the

[3:14:01] Voice 8: website and that's been great just a great question

[3:14:06] Voice 8: anecdotally someone

[3:14:07] Voice 23: mentioned that they there might be a great blue heron

[3:14:10] Voice 23: on their property i had that if

[3:14:13] Voice 14: you think there's another one that you want to have i think that's

[3:14:16] Voice 14: reasonable yeah i

[3:14:17] Voice 14: just have to go check it out

[3:14:18] Voice 14: so i would say we have like we've more or less

[3:14:22] Voice 14: substantively completed your contract so i think we have some time now to polish that report

[3:14:27] Voice 23: so if

[3:14:28] Voice 23: you i'm going to go ahead a little soon to see if it's actually true so that totally

[3:14:31] Voice 23: someone mentioned we can absolutely have because right now there's not there's no nesting six

[3:14:35] Voice 23: parents on that this would be nice

[3:14:37] Voice 23: to find for sure

[3:14:38] Voice 17: yeah

[3:14:39] Voice 14: so let's work together

[3:14:42] Voice 14: thanks for the pronunciation of the yeah

[3:14:46] Voice 23: cornice cornice cornice yes meaning it's misspelled

[3:14:51] Voice 23: and then is that

[3:14:52] Voice 3: like a raven

[3:14:53] Voice 23: it means it means northwest northwest okay

[3:14:56] Voice 23: there you go

[3:14:58] Voice 15: thank you thank you very much

[3:15:01] Voice 15: appreciate it we move on 14.2 housing access to the portability project page number 137

[3:15:11] Voice 15: get back to planner smith

[3:15:13] Voice 8: all

[3:15:14] Voice 14: right so staff report here just bringing back uh seeking direction from the ltc to bring

[3:15:23] Voice 14: a project charter and work plan as well as a community and first nations engagement plan

[3:15:28] Voice 14: and a draft discussion paper for the north island housing access and affordability project

[3:15:33] Voice 14: so trust council has now approved your budget request for fifteen thousand dollars over the

[3:15:38] Voice 14: two-year length of the project um your business case identified all of those uh items as being

[3:15:46] Voice 14: next steps. A draft discussion paper is something staff can work on and be further informed by your

[3:15:56] Voice 14: May 25th meeting. And the draft discussion paper will follow the template in the House of Toolkits.

[3:16:07] Voice 14: Yeah, I think it's pretty straightforward. I think I'll just put it back to you, Chair

[3:16:10] Voice 14: Monaghan, in consideration of where we're at with time.

[3:16:15] Voice 15: Trustees, where do you want to land on this?

[3:16:18] Voice 15: I'm

[3:16:18] Voice 3: good to go ahead with this. I have a little question how it interpaced with the other piece that was in the budget around the housing assessment. Is that what it was called? The one that's like the housing needs assessment?

[3:16:32] Voice 14: I think that the housing needs assessment is occurring across the trust.

[3:16:36] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:16:36] Voice 14: It's like a data.

[3:16:37] Voice 14: Is it

[3:16:38] Voice 3: occurring in the timeline to be able to fit into this?

[3:16:40] Voice 14: Yeah, I think that information will have to fit into the work you're doing.

[3:16:45] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:16:45] Voice 14: You're on this for a couple of years, probably realistically, so yeah.

[3:16:50] Voice 14: One year.

[3:16:50] Voice 14: So there's the housing needs assessment.

[3:16:52] Voice 14: There's also work on suitability, like land suitability analysis that could help to inform

[3:16:58] Voice 14: some of the ecological constraints, for example, of where housing would be more appropriate

[3:17:05] Voice 14: versus less.

[3:17:07] Voice 14: So both of those.

[3:17:09] Voice 14: Yeah, that was.

[3:17:10] Voice 14: is work that's going on that would help to further inform uh those you know where new housing might

[3:17:17] Voice 3: okay because that's definitely given the conversations we have with plumber court and

[3:17:22] Voice 3: the issues that raise for others in the community it's going to be a question of like where is there

[3:17:27] Voice 3: enough water if we're going to increase density or if we're going to do some affordable housing

[3:17:31] Voice 3: higher density if we're not going to do that how do we disperse it into areas where there is

[3:17:35] Voice 3: like available water or that's going to be one of the number one things that we're going to get

[3:17:40] Voice 3: asked so understandable okay

[3:17:43] Voice 5: that's great thank you what do

[3:17:46] Voice 11: you mean from us that the north pender

[3:17:48] Voice 11: island local trust committee requests staff for a forethought for the project charter work plan

[3:17:53] Voice 11: community impersonations engagement plan and a draft discussion paper for the north

[3:17:58] Voice 11: fender island housing access and affordable affordability project seconded in discussion

[3:18:07] Voice 15: All in favour? Another happy trustee. Alrighty, so we're moving on to 15.1. We have work program

[3:18:17] Voice 15: reports attached. I don't know if there's any narrative to go with that or anything

[3:18:21] Voice 15: related to that.

[3:18:24] Voice 14: Unless you want to add as

[3:18:27] Voice 8: a future project, what's the view of your

[3:18:33] Voice 8: fire guidelines in the u.s

[3:18:36] Voice 3: probably worthwhile to pin it on there um we may try to go a different

[3:18:43] route like get the fire department i don't know we have to think about

[3:18:46] Voice 3: that a little bit but it

[3:18:47] Voice 3: might be worth it to just in some kind of like fire so

[3:18:52] Voice 15: we have regional planning manager kojima

[3:18:55] Voice 15: has his hand after the very anxious

[3:18:56] Voice 13: thank you chair uh just note that you missed item 14.3

[3:19:02] Voice 15: how did

[3:19:03] Voice 3: i do that

[3:19:04] Voice 15: our

[3:19:05] Voice 3: bad oh

[3:19:06] Voice 15: no that's not rsp bad and um

[3:19:10] Voice 3: 140. i don't

[3:19:11] Voice 15: know so let's roll it back

[3:19:14] Voice 15: 14.3 north pender local trust committee draft fees by a lot number 226

[3:19:19] Voice 15: consideration of adoption we

[3:19:23] Voice 3: haven't done today no

[3:19:25] Voice 14: it's not this is the final you know it's had

[3:19:27] Voice 14: executive committee approvals right okay i

[3:19:33] Voice 3: don't know you man you're gonna pick david

[3:19:35] Voice 3: um it

[3:19:38] Voice 11: is page one three seven let the north pender island local trust committee request staff

[3:19:44] Voice 11: to report back it's 140. i'm

[3:19:48] Voice 15: sorry i it's 140.

[3:19:52] Voice 15: you see i jumped ahead too because

[3:19:54] Voice 15: i got it all right

[3:19:55] Voice 11: we're there at the north bender island local trust committee

[3:20:00] Voice 17: yeah the

[3:20:02] Voice 11: north bender island local trust committee bylaw number 56 cited as north bender island the

[3:20:08] Voice 11: local trust committee fees bylaw 2021 be adopted seconded jesse morrison any

[3:20:15] Voice 15: discussion i'm

[3:20:17] Voice 5: reluctantly agree reluctantly

[3:20:20] Voice 15: okay question all in favor it's one small step well

[3:20:25] Voice 3: yeah and the

[3:20:26] Voice 3: reason i'm reluctant just to be clear is just because i know i feel like we haven't fully

[3:20:30] Voice 3: important gathering tissues we haven't resolved all those things when you were

[3:20:34] Voice 3: riku that you know my smile a little bit longer than that

[3:20:36] Voice 8: still not

[3:20:37] Voice 14: going to get too bad

[3:20:40] Voice 17: oh my god

[3:20:49] Voice 15: well you know the only reason it's here because for asian planning to manage your

[3:20:53] Voice 15: yeah

[3:20:59] Voice 3: was david this time

[3:21:00] Voice 15: okay all right

[3:21:02] Voice 15: apologies for that we can so 50 we've got that information

[3:21:05] Voice 15: do we want to add anything as a fire or you want to leave that to us i don't

[3:21:11] Voice 11: know that we can make

[3:21:11] Voice 11: it a requirement um i don't know that we can put it on the fire department and the only reason i

[3:21:22] Voice 11: i think that we would have to require it of applications yeah that

[3:21:30] Voice 11: they go to the fire

[3:21:31] Voice 11: department because be something to do with us being a volunteer department even though we're

[3:21:38] Voice 11: hybrid when i was getting fire inspections done at browning they could come in and do an inspection

[3:21:51] Voice 11: and fail me outright but offering to come in and do an assessment

[3:22:02] Voice 11: was something that they were doing as a public service right as opposed to so

[3:22:09] Voice 11: So depending on how it's framed in here, it may be something that we need to require that they provide.

[3:22:20] Voice 3: And I think that conversation, this list is really just, do we want to have a conversation at some point in the future?

[3:22:25] Voice 5: Yeah.

[3:22:26] Voice 3: So on the future projects list, I would love to add it just so we don't forget it.

[3:22:32] Voice 3: Like something to do, and Brad, I guess the language would be something like fire.

[3:22:37] Voice 3: fire um and actually his comment wasn't just about stvrs it was about stvrs and secondary

[3:22:44] Voice 3: suites although secondary suites should be fire inspected because they're crd yeah

[3:22:50] Voice 11: b&b's or anything that is not required to have a permit to yeah so

[3:22:58] Voice 11: any of the legal like

[3:23:00] Voice 11: legally operating stvrs or airbnbs that don't require permitting uh don't have to get it at

[3:23:08] Voice 11: this point he would like to see it so that yeah across the board they all get it but i think that

[3:23:14] Voice 11: that actually would be something you could write into the home

[3:23:19] Voice 14: occupation yes so that would be the

[3:23:23] Voice 14: project if you're looking at changing your pending bylaws both your tup guidelines and your home

[3:23:28] Voice 14: my patient regulation guidelines could be

[3:23:30] Voice 14: amended that would be more project or you could have it

[3:23:34] Voice 14: you could

[3:23:35] Voice 14: test it out i guess through your tup process and issuing that at the time of

[3:23:42] Voice 14: issuance so

[3:23:43] Voice 15: the tup is right now the issue the the directives are by the policy or by

[3:23:48] Voice 15: uh

[3:23:49] Voice 14: the tup has got those guidelines but you can also create any other condition that you want that

[3:23:58] Voice 14: like so

[3:23:59] Voice 15: so if this ltc just asked you in future to ups to add that clause in there

[3:24:07] Voice 15: can i just be like not even a motionless request or i would say that oh robert's come back

[3:24:14] Voice 14: robert robert's well and

[3:24:16] Voice 3: i just want us to not necessarily have this conversation right now

[3:24:20] Voice 3: because this is not really the time to have the conversation i think it would just be nice to

[3:24:24] Voice 3: pin the conversation onto the future project list yeah

[3:24:26] Voice 15: that's the thing is so reach for a

[3:24:29] Voice 15: pattern manager will will defer to your guidances to the road forward well

[3:24:34] Voice 13: i would uh i would

[3:24:36] Voice 13: recommend you add it to the projects list because you've identified a whole kind of number of issues

[3:24:40] Voice 13: to assist the fire department but in the meantime uh when it comes just to tups for vacation rentals

[3:24:48] Voice 13: we can consult with the fire department with mike dine about some wording that we could add

[3:24:54] Voice 13: to future temporary use permits we'd want to get the wording right yeah yeah

[3:24:57] Voice 3: yeah we do

[3:24:59] Voice 13: and i guess

[3:25:00] Voice 3: yeah because related to that is is um like we're engaging in a housing project i kind of wonder

[3:25:10] Voice 3: also if the apc will come across this like in their understanding of this like what housing

[3:25:18] Voice 3: is and if water and fire comes up for them we don't have to direct them but i'm just curious

[3:25:22] Voice 3: if it will come up for them about you know because like higher density housing or subdivision

[3:25:30] Voice 3: kind of things are all about access roads like the garden pond

[3:25:33] Voice 3: road and the road out to razor

[3:25:35] Voice 3: point holy smokes it's not great for fire access right and

[3:25:39] Voice 3: so like it's related to housing it's

[3:25:41] Voice 3: related to density that's

[3:25:42] Voice 14: different than s2 no i

[3:25:44] Voice 3: know i'm just thinking across the existing project

[3:25:47] Voice 3: we currently have to you know how

[3:25:48] Voice 3: i am i like to put everything in the

[3:25:50] Voice 3: kitchen thing in my

[3:25:51] my

[3:25:51] Voice 3: one project. Okay. Okay. No,

[3:25:58] Voice 3: do we need to add a motion? Okay. What is it? Okay. Do you want to do it?

[3:26:07] Voice 11: I guess I move that we attach, I would call it like fire inspection requirements for STDRs.

[3:26:16] Voice 11: fire inspection requirements for stvrs for future projects list or actually yeah

[3:26:25] Voice 11: and when we get

[3:26:26] Voice 3: there if we decide it's not just stvrs if we want to

[3:26:29] Voice 3: reframe it we could reframe it it just holds it for us yeah

[3:26:32] Voice 15: we're going to pin them there so yeah okay any further discussion

[3:26:38] Voice 15: seconded hey call the question careless

[3:26:52] Voice 15: all right 15.2 page 151 application report or information any questions there

[3:27:02] Voice 15: nothing

[3:27:03] Voice 8: unless you have specific questions i

[3:27:06] Voice 3: am curious about

[3:27:09] Voice 3: um what like what is happening with the alr i don't know which of these permits would deserve

[3:27:15] Voice 3: to come on here but

[3:27:16] Voice 3: what's happening with the alr letter did we get anything from the alr

[3:27:29] Voice 8: what's the

[3:27:30] Voice 3: address um and and and

[3:27:34] Voice 3: Ann, what's your address?

[3:27:38] Voice 3: Oh, 466, raise it when you're ready.

[3:27:42] Voice 3: Is that the one that's the actual address for the stuff that went into the ALR?

[3:27:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:27:51] Voice 14: You've received nothing back.

[3:27:58] Voice 5: They've extended it to September.

[3:28:01] Voice 5: So I

[3:28:01] Voice 15: think that's where it is.

[3:28:03] Voice 15: Because they're so far behind.

[3:28:05] Voice 15: So we see Regional Planning Manager Kojima has put his hand up with great consternation.

[3:28:12] Voice 13: I was just going to add what I think Dan Burnett just said, they received an extension from the ALC.

[3:28:18] Voice 15: Excellent, thank you very much.

[3:28:20] Voice 3: Okay, it would be nice to know if they think it will be done by then or if we

[3:28:25] Voice 5: have some decision.

[3:28:29] Voice 15: So moving on, we have Trustee Local Expense Report, just for your information.

[3:28:36] Voice 15: nothing too exciting there

[3:28:37] Voice 15: okay

[3:28:38] Voice 3: I was super confused by this report

[3:28:40] Voice 3: so when I looked at it

[3:28:42] Voice 3: I was like I thought we'd spend out last year

[3:28:44] Voice 3: is this the new budget

[3:28:45] Voice 3: versus the last year's budget

[3:28:50] Voice 3: looks like last year's budget

[3:28:51] Voice 3: I

[3:28:52] Voice 15: think February 2024 yeah

[3:28:54] Voice 3: okay so we literally left

[3:28:56] Voice 3: like $9,000 on the table

[3:28:58] Voice 3: or $8,000 on the table

[3:29:02] Voice 11: I thought we were

[3:29:04] Voice 11: at the point of being

[3:29:06] Voice 11: fully spent

[3:29:07] Voice 11: i know

[3:29:12] Voice 3: and that's why i'm confused because right now it looks like there's

[3:29:16] Voice 15: rachel tiny manager kojima again um

[3:29:21] Voice 13: so the three project items is what you're referring to i think

[3:29:25] Voice 13: correct could

[3:29:26] Voice 3: be yeah just i was looking at the bottom line but you're right

[3:29:31] Voice 13: the projects yeah

[3:29:32] Voice 13: yeah um so the ocp lub so that was actually that's really just the lub project yeah

[3:29:39] Voice 13: And you didn't spend the full budget.

[3:29:42] Voice 13: You know, there was some contingency in there and so on that wasn't spent.

[3:29:47] Voice 13: The groundwater strategy implementation was budgeted, had a small budget, but you decided not to proceed with that as an LTC project partway through the fiscal year.

[3:29:58] Voice 13: And then the Raptor Nest.

[3:30:00] Voice 13: has it just hasn't been um um invoiced yet okay that'll

[3:30:06] Voice 14: come from that'll come from this budget

[3:30:08] Voice 13: yeah

[3:30:09] Voice 14: the invoice has been submitted by back to back so now that we've been

[3:30:13] Voice 14: that is substantively complete so that 5 000 will come off there okay that's great and

[3:30:18] Voice 3: then um in

[3:30:21] Voice 3: the groundwater strategy i know um robert we had uh some questions at one point about

[3:30:26] Voice 3: So is it possible for us as an LTC to use part of our project money like that

[3:30:34] Voice 3: for groundwater on like well monitoring technology for members of the

[3:30:39] Voice 3: community to distribute new well monitors across the community?

[3:30:41] Voice 3: Or is that not a possibility?

[3:30:44] Voice 13: One, no, it's not a possibility.

[3:30:46] Voice 13: And two, it's the end of the fiscal year, right?

[3:30:49] Voice 13: We're into the new fiscal year.

[3:30:50] Voice 13: So that budget anyway has now gone back into reserves, that $2,500.

[3:30:56] Voice 13: is my issue

[3:30:56] Voice 3: with reserves so

[3:30:58] Voice 13: we had money

[3:30:58] Voice 3: designated so this is just to be 100 clear

[3:31:02] Voice 3: there was 2500 that we had designated to our groundwater improvement strategy now it's in

[3:31:06] Voice 3: the slush fund it's no longer attached to us and it's being used for something else it's

[3:31:10] Voice 3: being drawn out of reserves for whatever the budgetary process

[3:31:12] Voice 5: was this year so this is

[3:31:14] Voice 5: kind of what happens that's how budgets work shop shop shop okay

[3:31:22] Voice 3: just saying that that's

[3:31:24] Voice 3: concerns me because then it's money that was designated for work that we had and it's no

[3:31:29] Voice 3: longer available to us right

[3:31:31] Voice 15: well that's why we get these monthly reports so you guys can monitor

[3:31:35] Voice 3: yeah but we didn't want to go through my father's we don't want to go in a violent direction

[3:31:39] Voice 3: so okay not necessarily we won't eventually but we just don't want to go there right now

[3:31:43] Voice 15: okay

[3:31:44] Voice 3: thank you so

[3:31:46] Voice 15: 15.4 adopted policies sustainable solutions desk for information

[3:31:52] Voice 15: and local trust committee web page. I don't know why that's always parked there, but it's always parked there.

[3:32:00] Voice 15: There's no honest trust of service report. Moving on to new business, we have the housing statute changes to British Columbia legislation.

[3:32:19] Voice 15: So we did have we did have a service report for information. Okay, so move on to the statutes.

[3:32:28] Voice 15: No, no.

[3:32:31] Voice 15: um so just the the statute changes is really for information unless you have any specific questions

[3:32:38] Voice 15: and i'm sure planet smith probably doesn't want to deal with those questions so

[3:32:42] Voice 3: no but we should

[3:32:43] Voice 3: just make sure we're really familiar with yeah

[3:32:45] Voice 15: it's pretty in-depth stuff

[3:32:46] Voice 15: can

[3:32:47] Voice 3: we forward that to the apc well

[3:32:51] Voice 14: i would suggest that you get going on your housing

[3:32:55] Voice 14: project because you haven't really directed the apc to do anything with that

[3:33:00] Voice 14: so you could forward it to your apc the housing statute it seems like

[3:33:05] Voice 14: with some requests for yes

[3:33:07] Voice 14: yes

[3:33:07] Voice 3: yeah it would be nice to if we i guess we didn't

[3:33:10] Voice 3: talk about that yet or

[3:33:11] Voice 3: so it

[3:33:11] Voice 5: might not be okay

[3:33:12] Voice 3: so we should talk about that because they've asked for like what are

[3:33:15] Voice 3: they supposed to be doing and it would be nice to have them have these housing statute changes

[3:33:23] Voice 14: What are you asking them to do, are you asking them just to look at it, or are you asking

[3:33:31] Voice 14: them to...

[3:33:34] Voice 14: They've

[3:33:34] Voice 3: asked us for everything they can read on housing.

[3:33:37] Voice 14: Right, so is that the only thing to spend them, or should we spend a little bit more

[3:33:42] Voice 14: time figuring out what you want your UPC to actually look at, maybe after the main meeting,

[3:33:48] Voice 14: and we have a better idea of, yeah.

[3:33:55] Voice 14: I

[3:33:55] Voice 3: think that would be good to give them.

[3:33:57] Voice 3: They're really raring to go.

[3:33:58] Voice 14: And if you want,

[3:33:59] Voice 14: I think you don't just want to send it to them

[3:34:01] Voice 14: and say, read it.

[3:34:02] Voice 14: You want to send it to them.

[3:34:04] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:34:05] Voice 14: I'm with you.

[3:34:06] Voice 3: I'm totally with you.

[3:34:07] Voice 15: Seeking some advice.

[3:34:09] Voice 15: So regional planning manager,

[3:34:11] Voice 15: Kojima's blood pressure is going up.

[3:34:14] Voice 13: No, it's not.

[3:34:19] Voice 13: I'd recommend to the chair,

[3:34:21] Voice 13: If the LTC wants to send something to their APC about housing, this document is probably not that useful because it basically says local trust committees are exempt for most of the changes.

[3:34:33] Voice 13: What would be useful is to direct them to read the housing toolkit that was produced for the regional planning committee.

[3:34:42] Voice 3: So the regional housing toolkit, I agree.

[3:34:46] Voice 3: So just let's back up like five steps.

[3:34:48] Voice 3: So should we talk about what we want to send to the APC?

[3:34:53] Voice 3: or what we want to how we want to directly because i don't think we i think we failed

[3:34:57] Voice 3: right so we should agree that we should talk about this before we just start talking about

[3:35:03] Voice 3: this randomly and this like because it's it's not on the agenda no

[3:35:07] Voice 11: i think i mean my

[3:35:12] Voice 18: yeah my

[3:35:13] Voice 11: my thoughts with the with the uh abc is to is to direct like start to try to figure out

[3:35:22] Voice 11: the community conversation around housing what we're comfortable with what where people want

[3:35:32] Voice 11: to see let's go with housing i mean there's there's so many different um ideas that are out

[3:35:41] Voice 11: there uh for folks and it's but it there never seems to be anything clear and concise moving

[3:35:48] Voice 11: forward as to what we should actually be focusing on so

[3:35:54] Voice 14: i echo over the amicajima's recommendation

[3:36:00] Voice 14: that is the yeah there's been a lot of work put in by trust staff that reflects all of the work

[3:36:06] Voice 14: going on not only your planning area but across the trust area and a lot of the outputs that will

[3:36:14] Voice 14: be coming in your housing project will be based on the templates and the tools in that toolkit

[3:36:19] Voice 14: kit so for them to have some familiarity and even you could ask them to review that and make

[3:36:25] Voice 14: recommendations on how it may be you know how

[3:36:30] Voice 14: it might pertain to north

[3:36:31] Voice 11: tender right something like

[3:36:33] Voice 11: i guess i guess what is what is the vault of information that we can give them about housing

[3:36:40] Voice 11: i

[3:36:41] Voice 14: think if we point them to the housing toolkit it has background it has you know they've found

[3:36:47] Voice 5: found it already any of the stuff that's online are already in it yeah

[3:36:50] Voice 14: yeah that's but you haven't

[3:36:53] Voice 14: really directed them

[3:36:53] Voice 11: to me yeah no so but I guess I guess if they if we could I I would like here's

[3:37:00] Voice 11: the info what do you guys think about this and when and how do you see it pertaining to better

[3:37:07] Voice 11: the

[3:37:12] Voice 14: process would go if you direct me then I will have staff produce a letter to the APC saying the

[3:37:19] Voice 14: the LTC has passed this resolution,

[3:37:25] Voice 14: here in this space would be the link to the toolkit.

[3:37:28] Voice 14: Here's the link to the toolkit

[3:37:30] Voice 14: that they're asking me to review,

[3:37:32] Voice 14: planning staff are available to.

[3:37:34] Voice 14: And if it's their first meeting,

[3:37:35] Voice 14: I could meet with them and

[3:37:37] Voice 14: help to give them some

[3:37:40] Voice 14: overarching context on their purpose and mandate process.

[3:37:44] Voice 14: I think they definitely need.

[3:37:46] Voice 14: So I don't typically sit in on all the APC meetings,

[3:37:49] Voice 14: but i can come i i could uh but uh i can certainly make myself available at the first meeting or two

[3:37:58] Voice 14: to help get them going yeah i think they're going to need a little bit yep so all of that would come

[3:38:05] Voice 14: but it needs a resolution for you directing them to look at something because they don't really

[3:38:11] Voice 14: have they are really set up to only consider stuff that you were referring to them they're not

[3:38:16] Voice 14: set up to come with a whole bunch of information that's new yeah

[3:38:21] Voice 18: the

[3:38:22] Voice 11: bulk of the information that

[3:38:24] Voice 11: we have on housing is already captured in the toolkit i

[3:38:28] Voice 14: think that the toolkit has some tools

[3:38:32] Voice 11: it

[3:38:32] Voice 14: has a template for a discussion paper it has but it also has data on like work that's

[3:38:38] Voice 14: been completed on the land suitability analysis work that's being completed on housing needs

[3:38:43] Voice 14: assessments. So I would say that it is a mix of information and tools and templates. I think

[3:38:54] Voice 14: Robert would agree with that. I move. You move.

[3:39:00] Voice 3: At the North Pendergast Local Trust Committee.

[3:39:04] Voice 3: If I have to slow down, let me know. I move that the North Pendergast Local Trust Committee

[3:39:10] Voice 3: committee request our APC to review the housing toolkit that was

[3:39:22] Voice 3: called yeah housing toolkit and

[3:39:29] Voice 3: the most recent I don't know how to reference this thing no I want I want this brief too because

[3:39:37] Voice 3: it's questions they've had and they just have questions and I want them to stop asking questions

[3:39:41] Voice 3: to get the same information

[3:39:42] Voice 8: and uh what is it called okay and and that

[3:39:50] Voice 3: housing statute changes

[3:39:51] Voice 3: to british columbia legislation staff memo okay is that enough okay um so sorry can you read it

[3:40:02] Voice 3: back to this point so

[3:40:04] Voice 15: sarah can we get that if you've captured that i

[3:40:08] Voice 1: guess i've got it thanks

[3:40:09] Voice 1: Thanks. I can read it back.

[3:40:10] Voice 15: Thank you.

[3:40:11] Voice 1: That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[3:40:15] Voice 1: requests the Advisory Planning Commission

[3:40:17] Voice 1: to review the housing toolkit

[3:40:19] Voice 1: and the housing statute changes

[3:40:22] Voice 1: to British Columbia legislation staff memorandum.

[3:40:26] Voice 3: Okay. And so I think there's a little bit

[3:40:28] Voice 3: we have to add on the end to what point,

[3:40:30] Voice 3: which is Brad's point.

[3:40:31] Voice 3: You don't have to send them information to read,

[3:40:33] Voice 3: but you just ask them to do something with it.

[3:40:36] Voice 14: Or you could just ask them to review.

[3:40:38] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:40:39] Voice 3: Right now I think if we just leave it at this motion it's good because then we can like think about it after the committee.

[3:40:45] Voice 8: I think that's a good starting point to review that.

[3:40:47] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:40:48] Voice 3: Perfect. Thank you.

[3:40:49] Voice 3: So we have

[3:40:49] Voice 15: a seconder? Any further discussion? Call the question. All in favour? That carries. Excellent.

[3:40:57] Voice 3: Thank you. The reason I just want that memo is because they have had, I've had

[3:41:02] Voice 8: a number of people ask questions.

[3:41:03] Voice 8: longer they sit the more

[3:41:05] Voice 15: anxious okay all right so moving on um something light um north pender

[3:41:15] Voice 15: island local trust committee file number two three zero file enforcement notification amendments

[3:41:21] Voice 15: staff report and i believe that mr dingman is on board to walk us through that good afternoon

[3:41:28] Voice 2: Good afternoon, Chair, Local Trust Committee.

[3:41:31] Voice 2: You do have a report before you regarding a Bend by-law amendments that are required

[3:41:38] Voice 2: in order to use the by-law enforcement notice system to enforce your new land use by-law that was adopted.

[3:41:49] Voice 2: Without these changes, we will not be able to actually issue tickets.

[3:41:53] Voice 2: The schedules must reference the appropriate by-law.

[3:41:58] Voice 2: before going too far into the report and the issues and information in the recommendations

[3:42:08] Voice 2: in the readings i've referenced this as amendment number one for 2024 it should actually reference

[3:42:15] Voice 2: amendment number one for 2022 that's when the bylaw amendment bylaw was generated so if we do

[3:42:22] Voice 2: get to these readings any reading of it should have that correct year stated thank you so with

[3:42:32] Voice 2: this the proposed amendments here I have redone the schedules to simplify them for one and two

[3:42:44] Voice 2: to add a penalty for failure to obtain a development permit for any work in a

[3:42:52] Voice 2: development permit area something you currently do not have so in making the necessary changes

[3:43:00] Voice 2: well i guess they're not not at all necessary i've simplified your schedules to reduce the

[3:43:07] Voice 2: total number of bylaw sections referenced so a 12 plus page document in some cases these

[3:43:16] Voice 2: document these schedules are 20 pages long it's a couple of pages and just referencing the lub

[3:43:22] Voice 2: and the OCP. And I've standardized the, so to speak, the penalty amounts. So for the

[3:43:33] Voice 2: most more serious contraventions, it's the maximum penalty of $500. For lesser

[3:43:42] Voice 2: contraventions, it's $350. That helps keep the schedules to a smaller number and not so many

[3:43:53] Voice 2: pages. If you wanted to actually have a completely itemized list and have different

[3:43:59] Voice 2: penalty amounts for multiple different contraventions from small, less minor

[3:44:06] Voice 2: contraventions, so to speak, at $100 all the way up to the maximum of $500, it would be a much

[3:44:12] Voice 2: longer document and more complicated. And for discount penalties, I've done a basic $100

[3:44:22] Voice 2: discount if you pay the penalty early and for a surcharge for all contraventions just a standard

[3:44:32] Voice 2: $300 surcharge so that we can try and cover all of our costs when we have to try and pursue debt

[3:44:40] Voice 2: collection in small claims court or to put a notice on title for an unpaid debt. So those

[3:44:49] Voice 2: changes are in the schedules the availability of compliance agreements

[3:44:55] Voice 2: has really stayed the same with a hundred percent discount on the penalty

[3:44:59] Voice 2: amounts and really the as I previously referenced the other major change here

[3:45:07] Voice 2: is for the development permit areas for both North Pander and the Associated

[3:45:15] Voice 2: Islands is having a penalty for fail to obtain a development permit and I can take any questions

[3:45:23] Voice 2: on the changes.

[3:45:25] Voice 15: Thank you. When

[3:45:27] Voice 3: there's a contravention of bylaw is the first step

[3:45:33] Voice 3: a fine or is the first step a notification to comply?

[3:45:38] Voice 2: So there's no automatic penalties issued

[3:45:41] Voice 2: we're always seeking voluntary compliance so there will always be deadlines given and

[3:45:48] Voice 2: and opportunities given to comply.

[3:45:50] Voice 2: So right now what we're doing is a minimum 90 days as a first deadline.

[3:45:58] Voice 2: If someone doesn't comply after 90 days, we're then usually giving,

[3:46:02] Voice 2: and this is for average, more serious things, this might not occur,

[3:46:06] Voice 2: a 45-day deadline.

[3:46:09] Voice 2: Here's your actual warning notice.

[3:46:10] Voice 2: Here's a 45-day deadline, and if you don't meet that deadline,

[3:46:13] Voice 2: then you're going to get a penalty.

[3:46:15] Voice 2: I

[3:46:20] Voice 3: don't see that in the document anywhere.

[3:46:22] Voice 3: Is that in a policy comment?

[3:46:24] Voice 2: That's in the manager's policy. There once was in Trust Council policies for bylaw enforcement a 90-day minimum deadline before any type of legal action was taken. That was taken out in 2019.

[3:46:39] Voice 2: But when I became manager, I, for our staff, bylaw officers, brought in a minimum 90 days, went back to that policy, put it within our best practices policy and procedures manual, that we should follow those guidelines.

[3:46:57] Voice 2: lines i

[3:47:04] Voice 11: have a hard time with understanding how we can find people for things and have the ability

[3:47:20] Voice 11: to collect that stuff and what even if there is validity to us bothering to do it i mean i'm not

[3:47:33] in

[3:47:38] Voice 5: what way i

[3:47:40] Voice 11: mean we a large part of my getting elected was because people have

[3:47:49] Voice 11: a hard time with what has happened with bylaw enforcement and how they feel that it is unfair

[3:47:57] Voice 11: fair and how they feel like it hasn't followed those processes and so to bring in i would want

[3:48:10] Voice 11: to know right away if we have a legal opinion as to whether this can even be done and whether it's

[3:48:15] Voice 11: we're legally going to be able to enforce putting something like this together this is and

[3:48:22] Voice 3: obviously warren can speak for himself but this is different than the legal issue that we're having

[3:48:29] Voice 3: on schooner i

[3:48:30] Voice 11: i don't i don't actually see it as being that different is the problem i think that

[3:48:35] Voice 11: any of the things that we are putting together and that we're bringing forward for the public

[3:48:40] Voice 11: as a new process or a new way of doing what we're doing needs to be vetted as to whether we can

[3:48:49] Voice 11: actually make this happen otherwise we look like a joke and that has been my stance on all of the

[3:48:56] Voice 11: stuff from the beginning just telling people that they're going to get a fine for something solves

[3:49:03] Voice 11: absolutely nothing because we know that the people on banner island are going to challenge this

[3:49:08] Voice 11: at every opportunity that they possibly can i would if somebody sent me a ticket in the mail

[3:49:15] Voice 11: that said i owe them this much money for doing something if we don't have a process that lays out

[3:49:23] Voice 11: clear communication from beginning to fine then i wouldn't i will not i won't yeah

[3:49:33] Voice 3: that's my concern

[3:49:34] Voice 3: is i want i want to see the community communication piece of this that's really clear

[3:49:41] Voice 3: on what are the steps for the community so that they know what happens and that it's

[3:49:47] Voice 3: it's really public and clear so there

[3:49:51] Voice 11: has to be documentation that covers our asses as to how we

[3:49:56] Voice 11: got from oh

[3:49:58] Voice 2: so chair

[3:49:59] Voice 2: i don't so i don't understand the question of whether or not it's lawful

[3:50:03] Voice 2: the the ben bylaw was adopted it is lawful yeah the

[3:50:08] Voice 2: bylaws are lawful the system is a lawful system

[3:50:12] Voice 2: and if the local trust committee is concerned about policy and procedures

[3:50:15] Voice 2: procedures, then what I've suggested to already to the RPMs and to the Director of Planning

[3:50:22] Voice 2: Services, Staffan Cermak, is that we do a policy document for each island.

[3:50:29] Voice 2: Some of the things that you're talking about here are, okay, they would be in that policy

[3:50:35] Voice 2: document.

[3:50:36] Voice 2: If you want to set the procedure down as to the notice is given and we're going to give

[3:50:42] Voice 2: get people 90 days and then 45 days these steps that are already incorporated into our system

[3:50:47] Voice 2: then that's the type of policy document that the ltc can review before final adoption and mr

[3:50:55] Voice 2: i would

[3:50:58] Voice 11: want to see that before

[3:51:01] Voice 15: i i'm not going to read this yeah so we have

[3:51:03] Voice 15: regional planning manager kojima has launched into it so

[3:51:08] Voice 13: through the chair trustee campbell

[3:51:11] Voice 13: As you know, Regional Planning Committee is in the midst of reviewing by-law enforcement practices and procedures, and so that'll unfold over the next few months with the goal of addressing these sorts of issues and concerns.

[3:51:29] Voice 13: In the meantime, as a local trust trust committee, you have to decide whether or not you're going to have tickets basically for your new land use bylaw, or are you going to rely on voluntary compliance and then go to litigation like local trust committees had to do 15, 20 years ago?

[3:51:53] Voice 13: Because this is the only mechanism to enforce beyond voluntary compliance, other than litigation.

[3:52:06] Voice 13: So

[3:52:07] Voice 3: I think we're, don't think we're communicating very well. So the concern isn't that tickets are bad or good, or that litigation is bad or good.

[3:52:19] Voice 3: the argument is there's no way in hell i want to do this with our community until we're clearly

[3:52:26] Voice 3: communicating the process with our community that's consistently going to be applied if there's

[3:52:33] Voice 3: breach in bylaw so if that document is in front of me and i agree with it and we can like maybe

[3:52:41] Voice 3: have a conversation with our community about it then i am probably a go on this document but

[3:52:47] Voice 3: But without that document in front of me, if I say, if I read this bylaw into practice,

[3:52:53] Voice 3: and I do understand too, Warren, that the Venn bylaw exists and that this is a refinement.

[3:52:58] Voice 3: But, you know, the Venn bylaw was read in quite a while back now.

[3:53:02] Voice 3: And we've had a number of really problematic bylaw challenges on our island.

[3:53:07] Voice 3: And, like, I don't want somebody to suddenly get a fine and multiple fines of all different kinds of tickets

[3:53:15] Voice 3: without a clear document that is like understood in community about why that's happening to them

[3:53:22] Voice 3: and like where the communication process happened before i

[3:53:27] Voice 11: don't have that kind of time to spend at

[3:53:29] Voice 11: the grocery store oh

[3:53:30] Voice 5: my god right it's a really like

[3:53:32] Voice 11: that just is the reality of living in a

[3:53:35] Voice 11: small community like this if we don't have something forward facing for people to look at

[3:53:42] Voice 11: and and really the in layman's terms understand what they're up against it like this is just

[3:53:49] Voice 11: adding a whole i would have to set up a tent outside the grocery store and just hang out there

[3:53:57] Voice 2: so if i address those comments chair um for the process has been for years and it's a very set

[3:54:06] Voice 2: process no one gets automatic fines no one is unaware that they may get a fine there's always

[3:54:15] Voice 2: been warnings in fact there's been usually typically multiple warnings multiple letters

[3:54:22] Voice 2: advising people property owners subject to enforcement that they may get a fine so if

[3:54:30] Voice 2: anyone has come to you and say they haven't received those letters and those warnings that

[3:54:35] Voice 2: That simply is not the case because it always happens.

[3:54:38] Voice 2: It is a very set process, and I have ensured that it is a very set process

[3:54:44] Voice 2: so that everyone has been given due process and an opportunity multiple times

[3:54:52] Voice 2: to address any contravention on the lot, and the tickets are used.

[3:54:57] Voice 2: The by-law notices are used as a last resort.

[3:55:02] Voice 2: So, I know you have concerns, but if we want to move this forward, and especially if you want at some point here to be able to issue a penalty for people to failing to get development permits, you're going to move the process forward.

[3:55:17] Voice 2: And you should do the three readings today. And then I should prepare the policy document that would include like your standing resolutions on housing, all of this, so that you would know you would have that document and that public facing information on here's the process that's followed explicit in the North Pender Island policies.

[3:55:39] Voice 2: And I want to do that for all those local trust areas where they have concerns about people getting a ticket.

[3:55:47] Voice 2: On Denman and on Main, we have regular reporting now.

[3:55:52] Voice 2: We're going to regularly report all of those files that have completed investigations to the LTC.

[3:55:59] Voice 2: That process is happening.

[3:56:01] Voice 2: happening and then if the LTC does not wish to pursue certain enforcement actions on certain

[3:56:08] Voice 2: files then they can close those files and all of that can go into the policy document

[3:56:13] Voice 2: and you know that would be hopefully something a document that would be on your website for the

[3:56:21] Voice 2: public to read and so that there would be no surprises or no way for people to say I'm

[3:56:27] Voice 2: uninformed about how the process works and i think it'd be a great benefit and otherwise if we can't

[3:56:36] Voice 2: use issue bylaw notices especially on north pender you're stuck with only taking people to court

[3:56:46] Voice 2: and you may or not be able to take one person to court per year so

[3:56:51] Voice 3: i don't think we're actually

[3:56:52] Voice 3: disagreeing on the end goal where we want to get necessarily but on the order of operations so

[3:57:00] Voice 3: i'm not going to read this in today and i don't know if one of my fellow trustees will or not but

[3:57:06] Voice 3: i'm not going to read it in today i will gladly consider reading this in when i see that policy

[3:57:12] Voice 3: documented right

[3:57:14] Voice 2: so okay but that

[3:57:17] Voice 15: could be a year

[3:57:17] Voice 2: from now so

[3:57:19] Voice 15: but so but to be clear do you need a

[3:57:22] Voice 15: a motion from this ltc to request that policy document or is that coming as part of normal

[3:57:29] Voice 15: process i

[3:57:31] Voice 2: guess you right now i believe you should pass a motion because right now to do the policy

[3:57:36] Voice 2: document for north pender like i said that that could be next year that means

[3:57:43] Voice 11: you could be a year

[3:57:43] Voice 2: without any enforcement real enforcement on north pender then

[3:57:50] Voice 11: we might as well not have a

[3:57:51] Voice 11: been filed so like we

[3:57:54] Voice 3: have it already so we'd have to repeal it if you wanted to do that i just

[3:58:00] Voice 11: i've i've been i have been subject of the ben notification twice so i understand how it works

[3:58:08] Voice 11: and i understand how people feel when it comes to them in their mailbox and i am not willing to have

[3:58:15] Voice 11: have that be on me and and i already have enough of a headache dealing with people that feel

[3:58:24] Voice 11: like they don't understand how the process worked how it failed them how they don't feel like they

[3:58:32] Voice 11: got notification prior to it happening whether it was supposed to have happened or not i i get that

[3:58:38] Voice 11: there's supposed to be a policy for how this plays out i don't feel like it has followed it

[3:58:45] Voice 11: itself personally as a non-trustee so i yeah i i will i've had a struggle with this since the

[3:58:57] Voice 11: very beginning and i won't read anything like this in at all in fact i am more of the mind

[3:59:05] Voice 11: of scrapping it and going back to the way that it was and yeah you do only get to sue one person

[3:59:12] Voice 11: in a year if that's the way that it goes but that's the difficulty of what our system is right

[3:59:18] Voice 11: now and the way that it's been pushed forward over the last 50 years and frankly it should have been

[3:59:28] Voice 11: dealt with a lot sooner than this so that's I'm not directing that at anybody in a personal way

[3:59:36] Voice 11: but it just is the frustration that I have living in the community and seeing how people are

[3:59:44] Voice 11: affected.

[3:59:48] Voice 14: Very good sir. I would just say like to point out that that person talking

[3:59:55] Voice 14: to you in the grocery store has their very own their very specific perspective on

[4:00:00] Voice 14: person and it is biased because they have a particular thing going on or they would have

[4:00:10] Voice 14: seen that they would or at least they're in the light of bylaw enforcement so there's at least

[4:00:15] Voice 14: some so i'm just i'm not trying to minimize your concerns but uh to go forward with no

[4:00:25] Voice 14: No finding or bylaw authority creates, I think, way more problems with trying to protect the mandate of the trust and all those other things.

[4:00:40] Voice 15: Maybe, Mr. Damon, you could just go over what happened on Denman, where they actually looked at Ben and they pulled it down quite a bit to, I think, specifically environmental issues and STVRs.

[4:00:55] Voice 15: so in rather than actually remove the bent by a lot they actually um stripped it down

[4:01:03] Voice 15: moves to some basic elements that have support from the community um can you sort of sort of

[4:01:09] Voice 15: walk through what happened there do

[4:01:10] Voice 3: we want to do that now respectfully or do we

[4:01:13] Voice 3: want to like

[4:01:15] Voice 3: this seems like i first of all i don't know that trustee campbell and i are on the same page in

[4:01:20] Voice 3: terms of remove and not remove it so i think there's a difference there a lot of i think

[4:01:26] Voice 3: our collective frustration is about a community that we we absolutely need enforcement of some

[4:01:33] Voice 3: kind here right we understand that we're all clear we want to see the guidelines that we have that we

[4:01:39] Voice 3: care about enforced how we do that in terms of this island is it's a bit of a question and you

[4:01:47] Voice 3: you know, first of all, like, so I just don't know, this is a longer conversation, because

[4:01:53] Voice 3: I could go into the whole nine yards that, frankly, we're missing the first half of the equation,

[4:01:58] Voice 3: like, there's no real education or communications depth in the Islands Trust yet, to even help

[4:02:05] Voice 3: understand what is our responsibilities in community, so the first contact half the

[4:02:10] Voice 3: community has is to file enforcement, and it must be a freaking nightmare, Warren, because, like,

[4:02:15] Voice 3: Like, so we should have a huge amount of other work building, like, respect and desire to abide by them, you know?

[4:02:24] Voice 3: And that's just a whole component that we're starting to have.

[4:02:29] Voice 3: So I think a lot of concerns would be alleviated if we had more of a balanced, full-spectrum approach, not just by law enforcement, but engagement, awareness.

[4:02:39] Voice 2: So, Chair, here's my recommendation.

[4:02:42] Voice 2: One is that the LTC passed a resolution requesting that I do a

[4:02:50] Voice 2: bio-enforcement webinar.

[4:02:52] Voice 2: I did one for Mudge Island yesterday, which was very well received.

[4:02:59] Voice 2: That was the Gabriel LTC requested that webinar, right?

[4:03:06] Voice 2: It provided we had excellent feedback from those who attended and gave

[4:03:12] Voice 2: them real information on how bylaw enforcement works. So that's step one. That's me letting the

[4:03:18] Voice 2: community talk to one another and answer their questions about how bylaw enforcement works.

[4:03:25] Voice 2: That's the first step. The second step in this process would then be the LTC passing

[4:03:31] Voice 2: resolution saying you want that policy document. You want that bylaw enforcement policy document,

[4:03:36] Voice 2: document compliance and enforcement document that needs to work hand in hand with the trust

[4:03:44] Voice 2: council policy document and we can do that and we can prep that but of course we have to be

[4:03:50] Voice 2: conscious about doing a final one for the ltc and why it may take a little bit of extra time

[4:03:56] Voice 2: is because the greater over review of violent enforcement is being done as robert kojima has

[4:04:07] Voice 2: So if we go through those steps, the webinar, and then the report where the LTC can see, amend, whatever, what they want to see as far as bylaw enforcement policies and procedures, that will move all of this forward.

[4:04:24] Voice 2: Before, yes, you do the readings and finally adopt a band bylaw. You do need one. And in the end, you should adopt what is currently proposed, but you can do what Denman does and what Maine now does is say, okay, before, once investigations are completed, we want to get a report.

[4:04:49] Voice 2: And then just as Denman and Main has done, you will proceed on enforcement on only those issues that you believe it's in the interest of the local trust committee in your community to enforce on.

[4:05:03] Voice 2: So it builds in more structure and you will have that policy document that you would approve and adopt saying this is how we're going to do compliance and enforcement on our island.

[4:05:14] Voice 2: Okay.

[4:05:18] Voice 3: Thoughts on that, Erin?

[4:05:19] Voice 3: I'm fine to put forward motion in that vein, because I think it gets us into a conversation

[4:05:24] Voice 3: and we

[4:05:25] Voice 5: can hear more clearly broadly across the community about the problems.

[4:05:29] Voice 3: Because

[4:05:30] Voice 5: one of the things that,

[4:05:31] Voice 3: if we do a webinar, I want data.

[4:05:33] Voice 3: I want a survey that follows it of feedback and community, because I want to know what

[4:05:42] Voice 3: people really think, and I want to see that data.

[4:05:44] Voice 3: and i'm happy to do that myself like just as though like i don't know what but i just i hear

[4:05:51] Voice 3: a lot of like things went down well or this worked well or that community and i i don't know what the

[4:05:55] Voice 3: data is and i'm a freaking learning scientist like i understand how that stuff works and i

[4:05:59] Voice 3: want to see the data of like how do we know that worked well right where's the i've taken community

[4:06:03] Voice 3: what does engagement look like so i i just so i just i have a challenge around that when i hear

[4:06:10] Voice 3: that so if you're okay with this ipad i i don't know who i'm supposed to send these to so i'm

[4:06:16] Voice 3: sending them to you and robert i don't know who they go to um so i sent it in an email the motion

[4:06:26] Voice 3: i can now actually view my message

[4:06:27] Voice 5: that's hilarious i can't actually see the motion

[4:06:30] Voice 5: because i typed it and sent it i think now we'll find out

[4:06:32] Voice 15: so

[4:06:33] Voice 5: robert

[4:06:35] Voice 15: are you capable of

[4:06:36] Voice 15: of sending it to sarah i

[4:06:38] Voice 13: don't have it yet yeah okay there it is okay wow

[4:06:45] Voice 3: really my computer just

[4:06:47] Voice 3: decided not to share me with the motion i don't know i wonder

[4:06:56] Voice 15: if i can

[4:06:56] Voice 13: share screen here

[4:06:58] Voice 15: oh that would be special

[4:07:00] Voice 13: perfect

[4:07:04] Voice 15: we get this get it bigger

[4:07:07] Voice 3: i move that bylaw enforcement schedule a webinar about current bylaw enforcement practices and

[4:07:12] Voice 3: policy in the north pender island okay

[4:07:15] Voice 15: so secondary any discussion all the question on favor that

[4:07:21] Voice 15: carries i

[4:07:23] Voice 3: move the bylaw enforcement produced bylaw compliance and enforcement policy document

[4:07:27] Voice 3: in plain language for public awareness seconded

[4:07:30] Voice 15: any discussion on that all the question all in

[4:07:34] Voice 15: favor and i trust that sarah is looking at the screen and has captured those things yes i've

[4:07:42] Voice 1: got that thank you thank

[4:07:43] Voice 15: you very much thank you for enabling regional planning manager kajima

[4:07:49] Voice 3: thank you and if i can ask in this particular issue somewhere in our work program or something

[4:07:55] Voice 3: i don't know how to keep track of it so that's in the follow-up box okay perfect thank you perfect

[4:07:59] Voice 3: all right okay

[4:08:01] Voice 13: yes

[4:08:02] Voice 15: go ahead um

[4:08:03] Voice 13: did the ltc want to contemplate the third resolution that warren

[4:08:07] Voice 13: suggested along the lines

[4:08:10] Voice 13: of what he does for Maine and Denman right

[4:08:12] Voice 13: now, which is

[4:08:14] Voice 13: biannual reports

[4:08:16] Voice 13: where the LTC goes through all

[4:08:18] Voice 13: the open enforcement files before

[4:08:19] Voice 13: tickets are issued.

[4:08:21] Voice 3: I think we want to do that regardless of if we can't

[4:08:24] Voice 3: issue tickets. I think we want to see that

[4:08:25] Voice 3: biannual report.

[4:08:27] Voice 15: In the interest of expediency

[4:08:30] Voice 15: planning

[4:08:32] Voice 15: manager Kojima, do you want to suggest

[4:08:34] Voice 15: a wording for that?

[4:08:35] Voice 3: It's in the thing.

[4:08:36] Voice 15: Is it? Yes.

[4:08:37] Voice 3: I just lost the page.

[4:08:39] Voice 15: Okay, let's find the word.

[4:08:41] Voice 5: I lost the page.

[4:08:42] Voice 5: 91.

[4:08:43] Voice 5: 81.

[4:08:48] Voice 15: So this will be the alternate recommendations or something?

[4:08:52] Voice 5: No, it's the...

[4:08:53] Voice 5: Oh, wait, I don't have the document.

[4:08:59] Voice 2: No, Chair, I would point out that

[4:09:00] Voice 2: I don't believe you need to make that resolution.

[4:09:03] Voice 2: That would be part of the policy document.

[4:09:05] Voice 2: Okay, yeah.

[4:09:06] Voice 2: All of that can be incorporated,

[4:09:08] Voice 2: all standing resolutions,

[4:09:09] Voice 2: solutions all the policies and procedures that you would like to see could all be placed in that

[4:09:15] Voice 2: document

[4:09:16] Voice 15: okay thank you all right so that's so you've got enough to proceed then

[4:09:24] Voice 15: disappointingly though all right thank you all right if that's enough for bylaw enforcement

[4:09:32] Voice 15: we can move on to upcoming meetings um watch the clock because planner center is very to catch so

[4:09:39] Voice 15: um next for the regular meeting scheduled is for may 25th 2024 um here that's

[4:09:45] Voice 14: the year that's your

[4:09:46] Voice 14: special that's the saturday

[4:09:48] Voice 15: that's the

[4:09:48] Voice 14: so it's a saturday

[4:09:49] Voice 15: yeah and then we need to schedule a

[4:09:55] Voice 15: special meeting for applications so

[4:09:58] Voice 14: if you have a lot of applications queuing up i think there's

[4:10:03] Voice 14: probably six on that proposed agenda already on the 25th and your next on so the may 25th meeting

[4:10:10] Voice 14: is is just your cim that's your special meeting housing uh your next meeting after that is not

[4:10:18] Voice 14: until july 27th and we already have i would say five or six applications in the queue where we

[4:10:25] Voice 14: would ideally put them on a electronic meeting agenda with the town hall and work through them

[4:10:33] Voice 14: so that i mean if you leave them till july you'll just start to get overwhelmed with

[4:10:39] Voice 14: expectations and people will start to get annoyed because you've been months and months

[4:10:43] Voice 14: so there

[4:10:46] Voice 3: was no intent ever from my perspective to leave them until july what i think got somehow

[4:10:51] Voice 3: missed in our scheduling of meetings this year is that my expectation was that the community

[4:10:55] Voice 3: information meetings would be preceded by a business meeting too

[4:10:58] Voice 14: much for staff

[4:11:00] Voice 14: in particular this meeting coming up there'll be a lot of planning because we'll be presenting all

[4:11:05] Voice 14: the outputs of that but then

[4:11:10] Voice 3: you want to add another meeting isn't that at

[4:11:11] Voice 14: least there's a

[4:11:13] Voice 14: gap between those meetings and that saturday is not overwhelming

[4:11:17] Voice 11: but we can do we can do those

[4:11:20] Voice 11: added meetings as a virtual meeting yeah

[4:11:24] Voice 3: we can do them as well

[4:11:25] Voice 3: with

[4:11:26] Voice 11: the town hall right like that the biggest issue with it was the town hall aspect i had

[4:11:33] Voice 3: emails on both fronts town hall ever in

[4:11:35] Voice 11: the election yeah

[4:11:36] Voice 3: you

[4:11:37] Voice 8: have to take your business

[4:11:39] Voice 8: yeah

[4:11:39] Voice 3: what do you want to do because one of the reasons why we moved to short last number of

[4:11:46] Voice 3: meetings was to you

[4:11:48] Voice 11: know well ease ease though of everyone's travel if it's if it can be done

[4:11:55] Voice 11: virtually for application purposes is like it doesn't even it doesn't even have to be on a

[4:12:05] Voice 11: friday so i'll ask on

[4:12:08] Voice 5: a weekday oh yeah

[4:12:10] Voice 15: so brad have you got days in mind are we we bounced around

[4:12:15] Voice 14: a couple days but it didn't sound like it worked for some of you so uh we initially had proposed

[4:12:21] Voice 14: June 7th, and there was some conflict there.

[4:12:25] Voice 14: It would

[4:12:25] Voice 14: be in Europe.

[4:12:26] Voice 14: June 14th was proposed.

[4:12:30] Voice 3: June 14th I can make now.

[4:12:32] Voice 3: My schedule changed enough that I could make that,

[4:12:34] Voice 3: but that's quite a ways off application-wise.

[4:12:37] Voice 14: But it is not as far off as July 27th.

[4:12:41] Voice 14: Oh, good point.

[4:12:41] Voice 14: So

[4:12:42] Voice 3: I can do June 14th.

[4:12:44] Voice 3: So I'm just going to need to bring cupcakes

[4:12:45] Voice 3: because my birthday is in June.

[4:12:52] Voice 8: but

[4:12:52] Voice 3: i i yeah i should be back if i even go i'm gonna have some health issues so i'm not sure i

[4:12:57] Voice 3: can even travel so um

[4:12:59] Voice 5: yeah the 14th

[4:13:01] Voice 15: is available for me but also if you are traveling

[4:13:07] Voice 15: is because electronic is still might kind of work not

[4:13:12] Voice 3: really because it would be like i would be

[4:13:14] Voice 3: be traveling across the world that day like so that's what i would be going back in roughly so

[4:13:19] Voice 3: it doesn't matter i think we should call it for that day because that's the only day i can

[4:13:24] Voice 3: think it really works across that window so

[4:13:27] Voice 15: what about late

[4:13:31] Voice 15: may no

[4:13:33] Voice 13: late may no i

[4:13:35] Voice 3: can tell you now i'm caught i'm totally booked through

[4:13:39] Voice 3: the first week of june so if we need if you think we need in in other areas of our schedule

[4:13:45] Voice 3: based on cims or whatever this is an issue that's well known with me like we have to schedule ahead

[4:13:50] Voice 3: so like if if we think that there are gaps in the going into the fall we should figure out those

[4:13:56] Voice 3: dates as well and like add virtual meetings in because it gets really complicated for me to do

[4:14:01] Voice 3: it after yeah the

[4:14:02] Voice 11: reason we're yeah

[4:14:03] Voice 3: and i totally understand like

[4:14:08] Voice 14: absolutely this is probably all my fault it's a good move like in my view

[4:14:13] Voice 14: you uh i mean we could be selective about what applications you're considering electronically

[4:14:19] Voice 14: if you think that it's going to be pushed back on something but with the applications for the

[4:14:26] Voice 14: most part the tdp isn't yeah as long as you have the neighbors in

[4:14:32] Voice 14: attendance those and and the

[4:14:33] Voice 14: applicant that's typically speaking to them anyways you insert the town hall and it just

[4:14:39] Voice 14: becomes a more efficient way for you to carry on some of your more routine business even though

[4:14:45] Voice 14: i wouldn't acknowledge that it seems none of these are the routine people

[4:14:50] Voice 8: there's always a right

[4:14:56] Voice 14: what's that you need a motion or is that i think we need a motion for you to establish

[4:15:00] Voice 14: a meeting electronically in 2014. i

[4:15:03] Voice 3: moved that the north pender island local trust committee

[4:15:06] Voice 3: schedule an electronic meeting on june 14th 2024.

[4:15:12] Voice 15: okay and

[4:15:13] Voice 3: i'm just going to leave it at that you

[4:15:15] Voice 3: guys can work on the time okay

[4:15:16] Voice 15: no discussion call question all the favor and the service has got

[4:15:21] Voice 15: that i'm just trying to move things along because i'm conscious of the time um so that does that

[4:15:27] Voice 15: um so brad if you want to bail any time now that's fine um so um i would say so

[4:15:37] Voice 14: that uh when we came back from the orders unfortunately we skipped all those sections

[4:15:54] Voice 15: absolutely though we like to take the boxes because sometimes the chair doesn't do that

[4:15:59] Voice 15: so we have town halls anybody have anything for town hall

[4:16:06] Voice 6: I've got two items and I'll be brief. The first one to you, you asked about structure

[4:16:12] Voice 6: of the Islands Trust and taking it to council. The documentation for the Islands Trust and

[4:16:20] Voice 6: the websites, both provincial and Islands Trust, say that the Islands Trust is a federated,

[4:16:26] Voice 6: however it is not, blatantly not constructed as a confederation, a two-level hierarchical

[4:16:34] Voice 6: fiscal system as is Canada provincial and federal and I think it would and I've given reason to

[4:16:41] Voice 6: Council why there would be much greater oversight and checks and balance were the Federation system

[4:16:48] Voice 6: implemented properly in other words trust area services would have a much greater role oversight

[4:16:54] Voice 6: second role in Lundy's planning, for instance.

[4:16:58] Voice 6: And the other area of structure is the trust policy statement.

[4:17:04] Voice 6: And at the moment, I hold that the trust policy statement does

[4:17:09] Voice 6: not satisfy the terms of the act in that the trust counsel do

[4:17:14] Voice 6: not establish a set of rules which

[4:17:18] Voice 6: are applicable to the trust area.

[4:17:20] Voice 6: All of the rules are delegated, or some of them

[4:17:24] Voice 6: delegated to the local trust committee for acceptance for refusal at the local trust

[4:17:29] Voice 6: committee that is not a federal system at all these are delayed and there's a good reason for

[4:17:35] Voice 6: them 30 years ago but it's also time to fix it and it needs leadership in trust council

[4:17:42] Voice 6: first topic and the second is i also took trust council regarding services which is a crucial

[4:17:48] Voice 6: items throughout the trust area and there are some regional districts that have really good

[4:17:54] Voice 6: relationships with the communities and there are some that do not there it is um i suggested that

[4:18:00] Voice 6: the that uh trust council look at um uh community benefit trust i think yes uh owned and the land

[4:18:11] Voice 6: would be raised on a factual and owned by council and then the communities could assign

[4:18:17] Voice 6: It's now in uses to them, part of environmental, part of housing, part of this, that, and the other thing.

[4:18:22] Voice 6: And I think that will be a way out of the trust area problem.

[4:18:27] Voice 6: Thank you

[4:18:27] Voice 15: very much.

[4:18:29] Voice 15: All right.

[4:18:30] Voice 15: If there's nobody else, we will call for adjournment and give Brad his extension cord.

[4:18:39] Voice 15: All right.

[4:18:39] Voice 15: Thank you very much, everybody.

[4:18:42] Voice 15: Hopefully Lisa survived and we didn't scare her away.

[4:18:45] Voice 15: And thank you very much, Emily.

[4:18:47] Voice 15: Emily. Thank you very much, Sarah. And I guess we'll see many of you on Sunday because I'm back

[4:18:53] Voice 15: for self-pandering. Thank you very

[4:18:54] Voice 17: much. We can stop the recording

[4:19:10] Voice 4: and the live streaming now.

[4:19:14] Voice 4: I can't hear you, but don't worry about that. Okay, I'm doing that now.