North Pender Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 25, 2024

[0:00:06] Voice 10: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to North Pender. Thank you for joining us today for

[0:00:16] Voice 10: this special meeting of the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee. I want to begin the

[0:00:21] Voice 10: meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today in locations across

[0:00:25] Voice 10: the territory of Coast Salish people. I'm David Maud, elected on Main Island, and I'm

[0:00:31] Voice 10: I'm the chair of the North Pender Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:33] Voice 10: I'm joined today by two North Pender trustees,

[0:00:36] Voice 10: Aaron Campbell and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:38] Voice 10: Together, we make up North Pender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:42] Voice 10: This meeting is being live streamed and recorded.

[0:00:46] Voice 10: For those who are unable to attend in person today,

[0:00:48] Voice 10: the recording will be posted to the Donald's Trust website

[0:00:50] Voice 10: for future viewing.

[0:00:51] Voice 10: We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:00:54] Voice 10: We have Brad Smith, who is the planner for North Pender,

[0:00:58] Voice 10: and we have Mirza Chadwick who is our housing specialist and going to lead us

[0:01:03] Voice 10: through the housing part of the meeting we also have Lisa Millard who is our

[0:01:10] Voice 10: recording I don't know if your secretary or the recording secretary today yes yes

[0:01:15] Voice 10: yes

[0:01:16] Voice 12: perfect

[0:01:17] Voice 10: welcome just want to let you know that this meeting is the official

[0:01:22] Voice 10: forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning

[0:01:25] Voice 10: planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:27] Voice 10: I want to add this place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:01:31] Voice 10: and respectful workplace.

[0:01:33] Voice 10: So we have an agenda before us.

[0:01:35] Voice 10: I just

[0:01:36] Voice 2: want to say something related to that last statement.

[0:01:41] Voice 2: We had an incident two weeks ago at my old house, actually.

[0:01:47] Voice 2: I don't live there anymore, where someone's been coming to the house

[0:01:52] Voice 2: to try to contact me without having to go through email or any sort of a normal

[0:02:00] Voice 2: channel to do that and in at the end of it ended up actually over probably four

[0:02:08] Voice 2: months of coming back and being told hey I was out of the country at one point

[0:02:14] Voice 2: that that I wasn't there forced their way into the house to try to confront

[0:02:18] Voice 2: front of the people in the house thinking that they were lying to him about me not being there

[0:02:24] Voice 2: anymore which is not obviously an okay thing um and i just like we're for myself i'll pretty much

[0:02:33] Voice 2: take questions anywhere i was at a party last night for some friends housewarming and we ended

[0:02:40] Voice 2: up talking about housing and and whatever and i'm super happy to do that but there's is this

[0:02:47] Voice 2: sometimes an expectation that because we're the only local or the only

[0:02:53] Voice 2: government person that people can kind of get their hands on that it's okay to

[0:02:59] Voice 2: kind of push some of those boundaries and we've got to be respectful of it and

[0:03:04] Voice 2: I mean the people in the room I know and and you know I know that that's not a

[0:03:09] Voice 2: not a concern but it is obviously something that people need to be

[0:03:14] Voice 2: be reminded of and just to put it on the record that's nothing no

[0:03:20] Voice 10: it's that there

[0:03:21] Voice 10: are definitely boundaries and people should not be pushing those boundaries

[0:03:25] Voice 10: and hopefully maybe when you guys to the tender post maybe you should just

[0:03:30] Voice 10: highlight that

[0:03:30] Voice 10: it's inappropriate on so many levels

[0:03:34] Voice 17: so we

[0:03:43] Voice 10: have an agenda before

[0:03:44] Voice 10: for us um i must go ahead so

[0:03:48] Voice 17: we can either add it to the agenda quickly or i can just also do

[0:03:51] Voice 17: a couple comments and then we can just approve the agenda

[0:03:55] Voice 10: you know what you're talking about so all

[0:03:58] Voice 9: right so um yeah and just generally so

[0:04:01] Voice 17: i wanted to let a few folks know um it will be in our family

[0:04:06] Voice 17: july kind of post and it's in the package for the it will be in package for the june trust council

[0:04:11] Voice 17: Hopefully, it definitely will be the Executive Committee of the Trust Council, our package.

[0:04:16] Voice 17: We are going ahead with a governance-related request for decision at the Trust Council,

[0:04:21] Voice 17: so a lot of folks who are really interested in the overarching governance issues of the

[0:04:25] Voice 17: Trust should look for that.

[0:04:28] Voice 17: I will put a link to it once we have a link for it.

[0:04:32] Voice 17: So myself, Sam Borthwick from Denman, and Lisa Gaviro from Galliano are sponsoring the

[0:04:38] Voice 17: the the effort and we'll hopefully have it in the June trust council agenda

[0:04:42] Voice 18: um

[0:04:43] Voice 17: and thanks

[0:04:44] Voice 17: for all those who contributed to that and then um there was one other thing that I can't

[0:04:50] Voice 17: oh housing which we're talking about today um I was able to attend the uh AVIC which

[0:04:59] Voice 17: is what the Association for Vancouver Island Coastal Communities and you were there as

[0:05:03] Voice 17: well um and they had a big focus on housing so we'll that's we'll bring some of that to

[0:05:07] Voice 17: there today i'm really excited about some of the work and oh the last thing was i was also able to

[0:05:12] Voice 17: be at the um and help lead the vancouver island coastal communities climate leadership group

[0:05:19] Voice 17: um so the honest i'm the representative for the islands trust on that and it was really awesome

[0:05:23] Voice 17: we had like uh may 6th and may 13th we had these virtual workshops and it was really helpful

[0:05:27] Voice 17: so you can talk to anybody about anything

[0:05:29] Voice 10: wonderful it's great that you know trustees

[0:05:33] Voice 10: across the trust area working together on these little projects and it's yeah

[0:05:39] Voice 10: it's it's what it's all about is working together to achieve results all right so

[0:05:47] Voice 10: by consent we'll approve the agenda so first thing that we have on is your 2023

[0:05:53] Voice 10: 24 annual report request for decisions that's fairly straightforward my only

[0:06:01] Voice 10: question was in the second section there it says North Pender local trust area is

[0:06:08] Voice 10: located within the territory of First Nations whose people and I was wondering

[0:06:12] Voice 10: if it shouldn't say several or many First Nations because it seems just a

[0:06:18] Voice 10: little bit kind of generic II inferring that made there might be one First

[0:06:22] Voice 10: Nation or something that was my only thing I kind of flagged on that they

[0:06:27] Voice 10: I don't know if anybody else had anything.

[0:06:29] Voice 17: I have one thing that I sent to Brad about that.

[0:06:31] Voice 17: So, yeah, if we want to alter that to, like, I would say many First Nations whose peoples,

[0:06:38] Voice 17: it's probably the better move for that one.

[0:06:40] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[0:06:40] Voice 17: And then I sent a piece of text to Brad.

[0:06:43] Voice 17: I don't know if he needed to do it formally or informally, so I gave it as a motion,

[0:06:47] Voice 17: but I don't really have any idea about this.

[0:06:49] Voice 17: I

[0:06:50] Voice 10: think Brad wants a motion, right?

[0:06:51] Voice 14: It would be a motion if you wanted

[0:06:53] Voice 10: to make any comments.

[0:06:54] Voice 10: so what there's

[0:06:55] Voice 17: i'll read it to you if you want the text and you can talk about it a bit

[0:06:59] Voice 17: okay i've sent a motion already over to that um so the text will be added to the end of the report

[0:07:06] Voice 17: and it would say that a violation of the reactors in sdpa by the province to prosecute has raised

[0:07:13] Voice 17: concerns by the north kender local trust committee that the enforcement of dpa is related has raised

[0:07:18] Voice 17: concerns by the yeah north kender local trust committees committee about the enforcement of

[0:07:23] Voice 17: dpas related to force protection i feel the need to have that in front of the minister like i want

[0:07:28] Voice 17: it in the report so that it's clear that we were choked not only about the violation but more so

[0:07:33] Voice 17: about the lack of experiential enforcement so talk about that

[0:07:38] Voice 6: thanks

[0:07:40] Voice 17: so i'll make a motion

[0:07:42] Voice 17: brad do you have anything that you think it should be different before i go ahead

[0:07:47] Voice 17: uh i lost my motion okay i move that the north london local trust committee authorized the

[0:08:02] Voice 17: addition of the following text to the end of the suggested text for the north tiger island section

[0:08:06] Voice 17: of the 2023-24 annual report for approval by trust council quote a violation of the righteousness dpa

[0:08:13] Voice 17: and subsequent refusal by the province to prosecute has raised concerns by the north

[0:08:16] Voice 17: kansas local trust committee that the enforcement of uh about the enforcement of dpas related to

[0:08:22] Voice 17: force protection and did

[0:08:24] Voice 10: you want to add in the first nations oh

[0:08:28] Voice 17: yeah let's do this first and

[0:08:29] Voice 17: okay

[0:08:30] Voice 10: two motions okay yeah so any discussion on that so second so second so all in favor

[0:08:37] Voice 10: that carries oh

[0:08:38] Voice 17: yeah i'll go ahead and do the other one and um yeah

[0:08:45] Voice 1: it has yeah that's easy

[0:08:48] Voice 17: so the other one will be i'm doing this on the fly so i apologize um that the north

[0:08:56] Voice 17: pender island local trust committee authorized the addition of the authorize a change in the text

[0:09:04] Voice 17: the suggested text for the north pender island section of the 2023-24 annual report for approval

[0:09:11] Voice 17: by the trust committee um who's our recorder Lisa did you catch that first part i caught

[0:09:26] Voice 17: most of it you're going very fast i know

[0:09:29] Voice 19: i'm sorry i was

[0:09:30] Voice 17: already scolded about that

[0:09:34] Voice 19: um slow it down i barely caught the last one okay

[0:09:37] Voice 17: let me send it to you in a text um

[0:09:41] Voice 17: but i'll just read it right now and then i can send it to you in a text it's unfortunately in

[0:09:45] Voice 17: two different documents so it's a little hard for me to work it out um oh i know where it is

[0:09:52] Voice 17: okay so we're talking david about the um second line okay so let

[0:09:59] Voice 17: me just send it to you in a text

[0:10:04] Voice 17: It's going to take me a second, do we want to

[0:10:06] Voice 10: come back

[0:10:07] Voice 17: to it, or just for a second we'll

[0:10:10] Voice 17: come back to it?

[0:10:11] Voice 10: Yeah, if you want to keep writing away, but no, I think, just go ahead, it's not going

[0:10:17] Voice 10: to take you two minutes just to, then we're progressing.

[0:10:23] Voice 2: We're just changing the line in the annual report, right?

[0:10:28] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:10:28] Voice 2: we just got to get

[0:10:28] Voice 8: the actual text, it's like a .

[0:10:34] Voice 10: I'm always jealous of somebody who knows how to type.

[0:10:39] Voice 10: Chase

[0:10:40] Voice 2: everything around in New York.

[0:10:42] Voice 10: When I start using two fingers.

[0:10:44] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:10:56] Voice 17: The North Pender LTC authorized the

[0:11:06] Voice 17: authorized change

[0:11:10] Voice 17: in the suggested text of the North Pender Island section

[0:11:13] Voice 17: of the 2023-24 annual report for approval by the

[0:11:18] Voice 17: council removing and i'll send this to you within the territory of first nations whose people

[0:11:31] Voice 17: and inserting within the territory of many first nations whose peoples okay that's it all right um

[0:11:42] Voice 10: and so and you're and you're going to send that so all right so seconded any further discussion

[0:11:50] Voice 10: all the question all in favor all right in it and hopefully that translates well thank you

[0:12:00] Voice 17: so do

[0:12:02] Voice 10: you do you need the motion with that further motion as amended blah blah blah yeah

[0:12:08] Voice 18: or

[0:12:09] Voice 10: is that already incorporated no okay

[0:12:13] Voice 10: so you want to do the final

[0:12:14] Voice 15: yeah

[0:12:15] Voice 10: either

[0:12:16] Voice 15: one motion with

[0:12:17] Voice 15: two things or so

[0:12:19] Voice 10: so what

[0:12:20] Voice 10: we've got two motions with the amendments so now we

[0:12:23] Voice 10: need a motion

[0:12:24] Voice 10: to to adopt

[0:12:25] Voice 10: as amended yeah so

[0:12:27] Voice 10: you've got that language that

[0:12:29] Voice 17: the north kender island local

[0:12:30] Voice 17: trust committee approves the attached text for including the 2023-24 annual court for approval

[0:12:35] Voice 17: as amended by trust council and

[0:12:37] Voice 8: submission to administer goodness perfect

[0:12:39] Voice 10: second any for the

[0:12:42] Voice 10: discussion call the question all in favor it carries and so so lisa you're comfortable with

[0:12:49] Voice 10: all that you're we can progress yes

[0:12:52] Voice 19: i'll just need to get those uh forwarded to me thank you

[0:12:55] Voice 19: yeah

[0:12:56] Voice 10: thank you so so the the last motion um

[0:12:59] Voice 19: is on the agenda

[0:13:00] Voice 10: yes okay so perfect thank you

[0:13:04] Voice 10: all right um so we now move on to local trust committee community mail out

[0:13:10] Voice 10: connor smith is that your uh

[0:13:11] Voice 15: so trustee morrison had requested

[0:13:21] Voice 15: basically the cost of a mail out so you can do mail it two-way you can do a mail drop just that's

[0:13:28] Voice 15: a post office drop uh it's 18 cents a page uh for about 200 about 300 for the island if you want to

[0:13:36] Voice 15: also capture households like owners uh then you would need to put stamps and that would increase

[0:13:43] Voice 15: increase your costs substantially.

[0:13:46] Voice 9: But

[0:13:47] Voice 17: then we would

[0:13:47] Voice 9: catch the off

[0:13:48] Voice 17: -island people, too.

[0:13:48] Voice 17: Then

[0:13:48] Voice 15: you would catch the off-island people.

[0:13:51] Voice 17: Does MailDrop include people who are not on-island?

[0:13:55] Voice 15: MailDrop is just literally a whole

[0:13:58] Voice 15: delivery

[0:13:59] Voice 15: to every mailbox with

[0:14:01] Voice 2: no address on it.

[0:14:03] Voice 2: You just take it to the post office, drop a stack of them,

[0:14:05] Voice 2: and then they send one out

[0:14:08] Voice 15: to every address, basically.

[0:14:10] Voice 2: Sorry.

[0:14:11] Voice 2: Yeah, it's OK.

[0:14:12] Voice 6: No.

[0:14:12] Voice 15: So there's 995 off-island residents, so it costs about $1,000 to mail that.

[0:14:21] Voice 15: And to do

[0:14:22] Voice 17: just a mail

[0:14:23] Voice 15: drop is $290.

[0:14:25] Voice 15: All

[0:14:26] Voice 17: right.

[0:14:27] Voice 17: So that was related to our discussion.

[0:14:29] Voice 17: If you want to just communicate with people about something from our group.

[0:14:34] Voice 6: So

[0:14:35] Voice 17: the answer to your question is not more than one page.

[0:14:38] Voice 17: um and double-sided use your space and then probably a mail drop for on island and i think

[0:14:46] Voice 17: we need to catch those off-island folks because like it's this dilemma that we have where there's

[0:14:53] Voice 17: a lot of people who okay maybe the question also is like how

[0:14:58] Voice 2: effective is mail though these days

[0:15:02] Voice 2: lots of people have the stamp in their mailbox that says they don't want any extra mail yeah

[0:15:07] Voice 2: No, because local government

[0:15:08] Voice 10: goes into every box.

[0:15:10] Voice 10: It's not regarded as a junk mail.

[0:15:11] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:15:12] Voice 10: Yeah, so it should go into every box on the island.

[0:15:14] Voice 10: That's a good fire starter.

[0:15:15] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:15:16] Voice 17: But, I mean, it's also one of those issues, like,

[0:15:21] Voice 17: you can't catch everybody with one method of communication on this island.

[0:15:24] Voice 17: It's not possible.

[0:15:25] Voice 17: Like, you have to be there, you know, on the forum, in Pender Post,

[0:15:30] Voice 17: in, like, the grocery store and the, like, market constantly.

[0:15:33] Voice 17: Like, you know, like, there are just so many different ways.

[0:15:36] Voice 17: so this is we have to decide that we have something meaningful to say right

[0:15:40] Voice 6: and then

[0:15:42] Voice 17: and you may and then help direct people out to the other places like in a meaningful way

[0:15:47] Voice 2: and it might be it might be something to use as this like the housing yeah

[0:15:52] Voice 6: housing stuff builds

[0:15:54] Voice 2: to communicate to get more more people yeah yeah the information yeah um because yeah it's tough

[0:16:02] Voice 2: just to get a consensus in the community about stuff so so

[0:16:06] Voice 17: I think maybe one of

[0:16:07] Voice 17: the ways to do it is like we just put it in our toolbox for the housing project

[0:16:12] Voice 17: Brad did we have budget in the housing project for that then or we didn't

[0:16:16] Voice 15: you probably have enough budget to do

[0:16:19] Voice 15: that if it's housing related of course the mail

[0:16:23] Voice 15: yeah so

[0:16:24] Voice 6: then maybe another option

[0:16:25] Voice 15: we could talk about later but something I

[0:16:27] Voice 15: thought about is you we could do a web-based survey if you want to uh use that as a medium

[0:16:34] Voice 15: to collect more

[0:16:34] Voice 15: input from your community yeah it

[0:16:37] Voice 15: might be a good uh next step in your project

[0:16:41] Voice 17: and i think connecting those things is the right move so like if we if we design a web-based

[0:16:45] Voice 17: service that we want to do and we put it in post and we put it on form we do all those things

[0:16:50] Voice 17: and then we also do a mail out to make sure that everybody has access because there's about a third

[0:16:54] Voice 17: of the back of the envelope version,

[0:16:57] Voice 17: they don't get it in any other way unless you mail it.

[0:17:00] Voice 17: So, and maybe more so for folks off island.

[0:17:04] Voice 17: And so I think that's where we just wait

[0:17:07] Voice 17: until we figure out exactly what we want to know

[0:17:09] Voice 9: and

[0:17:09] Voice 17: like where we wanna do.

[0:17:10] Voice 17: And

[0:17:10] Voice 9: then we could connect it

[0:17:11] Voice 17: to some kind of community information meeting too

[0:17:13] Voice 17: with folks just to advertise that.

[0:17:14] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:17:15] Voice 17: So you

[0:17:15] Voice 15: could look at like potentially getting,

[0:17:21] Voice 15: working on a survey through the summer

[0:17:24] Voice 15: and the

[0:17:24] Voice 15: CIM in the fall and do a mail out

[0:17:26] Voice 15: and allowing the survey to run for a couple months.

[0:17:29] Voice 15: I see that as potentially being the best way

[0:17:31] Voice 15: to engage your community and get input

[0:17:35] Voice 15: rather than trying to get a real handle

[0:17:39] Voice 15: on your housing challenges

[0:17:41] Voice 15: with only a handful of your community.

[0:17:43] Voice 17: The other thing I thought about related to that

[0:17:46] Voice 17: for the, if we do a survey is,

[0:17:50] Voice 17: I don't know if you're interested or not in doing this,

[0:17:53] Voice 17: But I would love to just do a market table like during the summer with the survey like a couple computers right there

[0:17:58] Voice 17: And people can come and ask questions and talk about it and like

[0:18:01] Voice 17: you can have to have an answer to the survey

[0:18:03] Voice 17: I say water by

[0:18:04] Voice 17: And that would help I think to get a lot of folks that are on and off island because people are

[0:18:10] Voice 17: Oh my gosh, you can be part of the pop there. We could go

[0:18:12] Voice 9: get done and then I said at the tail. Um, so

[0:18:18] Voice 2: You were

[0:18:19] Voice 17: totally getting back and he needs one more water

[0:18:24] Voice 17: All right.

[0:18:30] Voice 10: So we've got our information.

[0:18:32] Voice 10: Everything's good.

[0:18:33] Voice 10: Yep.

[0:18:33] Voice 10: All right.

[0:18:33] Voice 17: One other thing related to that, though,

[0:18:35] Voice 17: was brought up to us this morning about the posting of our notices for these

[0:18:39] Voice 17: meetings.

[0:18:41] Voice 17: Do we know who posts the notices of our meetings at the Driftwood?

[0:18:45] Voice 17: Because we have, like, bulletin board notices sometimes.

[0:18:47] Voice 17: Because the notice that's down at the Driftwood was from last year's meetings.

[0:18:51] Voice 17: I

[0:18:51] Voice 15: think because we don't have an on.

[0:18:53] Voice 15: It's

[0:18:53] Voice 17: usually the on-island meeting.

[0:18:55] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:18:56] Voice 15: So I think

[0:18:57] Voice 15: sometimes Jazz is forwarded them to you guys to post.

[0:19:00] Voice 17: Okay, so it's on us to do it.

[0:19:02] Voice 17: In

[0:19:03] Voice 15: the absence of that, like

[0:19:04] Voice 15: that is typically who's doing that

[0:19:07] Voice 15: because that person is also usually hired to deliver notices and post notices.

[0:19:11] Voice 6: So

[0:19:12] Voice 17: maybe I'll go chat with Barb and see if that's possible

[0:19:15] Voice 17: for them to take on some kind of role.

[0:19:17] Voice 17: And then it can just be forwarded to our CRD,

[0:19:19] Voice 17: our not CRD, CRC, our CRC office potentially

[0:19:24] Voice 6: to because

[0:19:25] Voice 17: they're right there so we can see if we can make an arrangement with them to do it

[0:19:29] Voice 17: because they're they're the most logical to do yeah

[0:19:32] Voice 10: there seems to be some sort of issue with

[0:19:35] Voice 10: the up with the updating of those boards because like i mean we're still showing all last year's

[0:19:41] Voice 10: meetings there's two there's two 2023 notices posted yeah um and i i think when i was up at

[0:19:50] Voice 10: denman was the same thing um so i think maybe i'll talk to staff about that

[0:19:56] Voice 10: a little bit stronger policy all righty um so going forward we have pc hydro community update

[0:20:06] Voice 10: do um so is it it's a fairly broad powerpoint uh presentation it's a fairly broad powerpoint

[0:20:13] Voice 10: presentation is it yes so

[0:20:15] Voice 10: maybe we'll we'll turn the camera to the powerpoint presentation so

[0:20:21] Voice 10: those who are following along we will

[0:20:32] Voice 18: turn there put your pointer

[0:20:36] Voice 7: oh my goodness you could have

[0:20:39] Voice 15: one of your colleagues just maybe sit in the chair there and go through the button slides now

[0:20:52] Voice 5: it's

[0:20:53] Voice 15: on the computer itself just the up and down error should scroll through your slides

[0:20:57] Voice 5: okay my name is

[0:20:58] Voice 17: anna i work for bc hydro i am the project manager for these two submarine cable

[0:21:04] Voice 17: projects

[0:21:04] Voice 7: between Penrith and Salt Spring. I'm here with Carla,

[0:21:08] Voice 17: who is our community relations representative, and Tamara, who is our environmental representative.

[0:21:14] Voice 7: So we're

[0:21:15] Voice 17: going to provide you an overview

[0:21:16] Voice 17: of two projects where we are going to install submarine cables.

[0:21:22] Voice 17: I want to point out that these projects are complementary to each other, and both will improve the reliability and the flexibility of the Southern Gulf Islands Electricity System.

[0:21:32] So

[0:21:34] Voice 17: right now, Galliano, Wayne, Pender, Suburba are supplied by what we call the Gulf Islands.

[0:21:42] Voice 7: The Gulf Islands currently is made up of two cables.

[0:21:46] Voice 7: One runs from Galliano, the Maine, and one runs the soil from Salt Spring.

[0:21:56] Voice 7: And they connect through the cables and then the distribution overhead.

[0:22:01] Voice 7: They basically electrically connect all the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:22:04] Voice 7: Go

[0:22:06] Voice 17: to the next

[0:22:07] Voice 7: slide please.

[0:22:09] Voice 17: So

[0:22:09] Voice 7: we have two projects that we are planning between Salt Spring and Tender and what these

[0:22:18] Voice 7: projects will do is it will make the two loop system into a three loop system.

[0:22:25] Voice 7: So I'm going to be talking a lot about a submarine cable.

[0:22:29] Voice 7: So a submarine cable is actually a system, a system of four cables.

[0:22:34] Voice 7: So we have three cables that actually carry power, A, B, and C phase, and then we have one that's a spare.

[0:22:40] Voice 7: So the first project we're going to talk about is this one, which goes from Wellbury Bay on Salt Spring to Port Washington on Pender.

[0:22:50] Voice 7: It's going to be 11 kilometers.

[0:22:52] Voice 7: The second one is actually a replacement and relocation.

[0:22:56] Voice 7: So there's currently a cable that goes from Rockwell Park to Irene Bay, and we are proposing

[0:23:03] Voice 17: to relocate it into the beach.

[0:23:08] Voice 17: So the first project, next slide, so what we're going to do is we are going to install a new cable, as I mentioned, through Wilbury Bay and Port Washington.

[0:23:25] Voice 17: So do you reference them differently just for our community, so that when we say submarine cable, we know which one we're talking about?

[0:23:34] Voice 7: Yes, we call this project just the submarine cable project, and we call the other project the submarine cable relocation project.

[0:23:42] Voice 7: We also have project numbers that I use, which would completely confuse...

[0:23:48] Voice 7: Would mean nothing.

[0:23:50] Voice 17: So you may want to just attach a locational kind of name to the cable just for communication.

[0:23:56] Voice 17: So thanks, let's keep going.

[0:24:00] Voice 17: Okay,

[0:24:00] Voice 7: so 11 kilometers, four separate cables, one cable each, no splices.

[0:24:10] Voice 7: We have located the route so that we will take advantage of sandy bottom on the ocean floor.

[0:24:16] Voice 7: We want to avoid rocks because then the cable will rub up against the rocks and it will shorten the lifespan.

[0:24:24] Voice 7: Lifespan of the cable is about 40 years.

[0:24:29] Voice 7: Any questions?

[0:24:32] Voice 17: There are four short questions I have, but you're probably going to come to it.

[0:24:35] Voice 17: As you come on shore, how are you adjusting, and maybe that's a question for you,

[0:24:40] Voice 17: how are you just sitting around so

[0:24:43] Voice 5: this is a picture of where we're proposing to

[0:24:57] Voice 5: come so we will

[0:24:59] Voice 7: come around the dock we don't know the exact location of the

[0:25:03] Voice 7: cable because we haven't finalized our design but in general the cable will

[0:25:07] Voice 7: come up around the edge of the dock, between the dock and the rocks. It will snake along the

[0:25:14] Voice 7: foreshore somewhere in here and then it will go somewhere through here.

[0:25:18] Voice 17: This is the BC Hydro

[0:25:21] Voice 17: line truck that parks there. We will be putting in some pole boxes under here that we will put

[0:25:27] Voice 17: in a duct and we will hook up to the um a

[0:25:30] Voice 7: pole so what we will do is between zero tide and the

[0:25:40] Voice 7: upland area we will install a series of guts and a cable from zero tide will come through those ducts

[0:25:48] Voice 7: beyond zero tightness and before it laid on the sea bog we will be installing two pole boxes

[0:25:55] Voice 7: underneath that bucket truck these will be underground think of them as big coffins so

[0:26:00] Voice 7: they're long and narrow shallow and what happens is we bring the submarine cable in those boxes

[0:26:07] Voice 7: and then we hook it up to a feeder cable which then goes from the land side to the thermal

[0:26:15] Voice 7: pole and then it hooks up to the overlap system so the submarine cable likes to be in the water

[0:26:20] Voice 7: it doesn't like to be not in the water and when you have a long run this is quite a long distance

[0:26:26] Voice 7: up the road we need to put in the feeder cable and then the other thing that we need to do is

[0:26:32] Voice 7: we need to do some upgrades to the existing distribution system so for about 500 meters

[0:26:37] Voice 7: we need to convert the single phase line to three phase lines so single phase lines when you're

[0:26:43] Voice 7: driving down the road you see the car pole and there's only one wire that's a single

[0:26:47] Voice 7: three point when you're driving down the road and you see three lines that's the three phase line

[0:26:52] Voice 7: and then uh from 500

[0:26:54] Voice 17: meters on into downtown

[0:26:55] Voice 7: we will do select pole replacements so those poles

[0:26:59] Voice 7: that are end of life or too short we will replace those any questions how

[0:27:08] Voice 17: do you stop the cable from

[0:27:10] Voice 17: floating it's heavy enough that it doesn't float and it doesn't disturb the um um

[0:27:18] Voice 7: so when we lay

[0:27:20] Voice 7: it on the seabed a lot of times it partially varies so it itself varies otherwise it just

[0:27:26] Voice 7: space on the surface it's

[0:27:27] Voice 17: about four

[0:27:28] Voice 5: inches in diameter so it's not

[0:27:30] Voice 7: a big cable it just sits

[0:27:32] Voice 17: there so you said you like sandy bottom so it's pretty sandy around here

[0:27:38] Voice 17: so what we've done is

[0:27:40] Voice 17: we did a remote vehicle survey

[0:27:42] Voice 7: so we we looked at different parts of the roof and we basically

[0:27:47] Voice 7: selected the roof so that it will be laid on sandy long i can't guarantee it's 100

[0:27:52] Voice 7: 100% sandy water, but I didn't look at the hours of the tape.

[0:27:56] Voice 19: I don't know

[0:27:57] Voice 7: if Tamara, if you were going to get that.

[0:28:00] Voice 19: Yes.

[0:28:00] Voice 19: I think they looked at it during the environmental assessment,

[0:28:03] Voice 19: and they said it was majority either sandy or sandy mud

[0:28:07] Voice 19: surface.

[0:28:10] Voice 9: That's fascinating.

[0:28:11] Voice 9: Somebody's job to sit there and drive a motorcycle

[0:28:14] Voice 9: across the ocean from Salt Lake.

[0:28:16] Voice 9: I'm just saying.

[0:28:17] Voice 9: Somebody won the lottery on a fun job.

[0:28:19] Voice 9: OK.

[0:28:21] Voice 17: Any other questions?

[0:28:23] Voice 17: All right.

[0:28:24] Voice 17: All right, next slide.

[0:28:25] Voice 17: So in Salt

[0:28:26] Voice 17: Spring, Welbury Bay,

[0:28:28] Voice 17: we are going to come up

[0:28:30] Voice 17: and

[0:28:31] Voice 7: we are going to install pole boxes again here.

[0:28:35] Voice 7: Now this is alongside the road

[0:28:39] Voice 7: leading to the Long Harbour Ferry Terminal.

[0:28:41] Voice 7: So this is the fence, this is the ticket booth.

[0:28:45] Voice 7: Somewhere in this general area,

[0:28:47] Voice 7: we are going to put our pole boxes.

[0:28:49] Voice 7: Haven't done the design, don't know exactly where,

[0:28:52] Voice 7: But the nearest pole is, well, this is the anchor to a pole here, and then there's another pole up here.

[0:28:59] Voice 7: So, again, same thing for the ducts.

[0:29:03] Voice 7: Overhead scope, we need to upgrade the neutral to a feeder and replace poles, and all these upgrades will be over about two kilometers.

[0:29:12] Voice 7: So, eelgrass beds here.

[0:29:15] Voice 7: We know we have eelgrass beds here.

[0:29:19] Voice 7: before we put it in the cable in 2025 we will do another survey so we know where the eelgrass beds

[0:29:26] Voice 7: are at the time of reconstruction because they change we have protocols we will salvage we will

[0:29:32] Voice 7: replant um after we're done there are no eelgrass beds at fort washington where we're going to lay

[0:29:40] Voice 7: the cable and i don't believe there's any kelp beds in either of these areas that we're going to

[0:29:46] Voice 3: I don't think anything was identified during the remote survey or the in-situ intertidal assessment.

[0:29:56] Voice 17: So the disruption in the marine system will be...

[0:30:00] Voice 17: repaired and we if there is any will be repaired in terms of the grass on the salt spring side

[0:30:05] Voice 17: and repair obviously okay okay any other questions so if a pole box goes up a pole

[0:30:14] Voice 7: no a pole box goes in the ground so it will be buried underground and that's where the cable

[0:30:19] Voice 7: will connect and then it's got a it's like it's like what we used to call a manhole and i would

[0:30:25] Voice 7: call it a vault but it's shallower and we want to put those in because it's not considered a

[0:30:29] Voice 7: confined space so it gives the crew maximum flexibility so cable comes in the ducts

[0:30:35] Voice 7: underground into the full box underground goes out of the full box and then comes up the pool

[0:30:41] Voice 18: so there won't be anything

[0:30:42] Voice 17: seeing like a well i'd say a substation box or something you know

[0:30:47] Voice 17: those boxes you can see around that we'll

[0:30:49] Voice 17: see a lid

[0:30:50] Voice 17: okay yeah yeah

[0:30:54] Voice 7: this you'll see the lid so

[0:30:57] Voice 7: here at port washington that those lists will be under where the truck is parked now if you

[0:31:01] Voice 7: go down there right now there's a bc hydra truck parked so that's where we're proposing to put the

[0:31:07] Voice 7: whole box and then on salt spring it will be somewhere somewhere in this general area exactly

[0:31:12] Voice 7: and we don't know where but it will be again below

[0:31:15] Voice 8: so does

[0:31:15] Voice 17: that truck stay there all the time

[0:31:17] Voice 17: or are you going to move the truck once the box again no the boxes are going

[0:31:22] Voice 17: to be rated so that

[0:31:23] Voice 17: the truck can still park on the top any other questions all

[0:31:29] Voice 7: right so why do we need this

[0:31:32] Voice 7: project so as i said before we're going to we're going to convert the

[0:31:36] Voice 17: current two feeder to a three

[0:31:37] Voice 17: feeder supply this will increase the operational flexibility of the gulf line movement it will

[0:31:45] Voice 17: provide capacity

[0:31:45] Voice 7: for load group and i think most importantly for people who live here it will

[0:31:50] Voice 7: improve the reliability of the customers which means that should have less outages and if you

[0:31:56] Voice 7: have an outage it should be shorter in duration yes the

[0:32:02] Voice 13: um i don't i'm not sure what the drop in

[0:32:05] Voice 13: voltage is when i invade a magic plate currently but when they switch the feeder to putting it

[0:32:13] Voice 13: it more magically will there be changes in the voltages so i

[0:32:19] Voice 17: can't answer that question but we

[0:32:21] Voice 17: will take it away

[0:32:21] Voice 7: there should

[0:32:23] Voice 7: i i

[0:32:24] Voice 13: shouldn't

[0:32:25] Voice 7: be i i

[0:32:26] Voice 13: grew up in in linton and they they changed

[0:32:30] Voice 13: their feet so that was a big issue that some places had 108 volt power before and now they

[0:32:37] Voice 13: had 120 and it caused all sorts of issues we

[0:32:42] Voice 7: will have to take that away to our engineering team

[0:32:44] Voice 7: I'm not an engineer and generally speaking I'm also not an engineer

[0:32:48] Voice 17: but the

[0:32:50] Voice 9: the projects should

[0:32:51] Voice 9: balance

[0:32:52] Voice 17: the circuit so it should be a more reliable power one of the circuits both of

[0:33:00] Voice 17: the circuits are actually heavily loaded which does impact the voltage so by being able to

[0:33:05] Voice 17: offload it we do expect to see some some improvement in power quality

[0:33:11] Voice 13: yeah so people

[0:33:12] Voice 13: may some people may have a change where they're used to the lower voltage and therefore spikes

[0:33:17] Voice 13: don't affect them as much yeah higher voltage or spikes would affect them

[0:33:22] Voice 7: so yeah i guess we'll

[0:33:24] Voice 17: need to take that portion away but we would expect the a more consistent voltage moving

[0:33:29] Voice 17: forward with this project so you're telling us we won't get spikes at all is that what you're

[0:33:38] Voice 17: Okay, we can't answer that question.

[0:33:41] Voice 17: Our electric tariff does say that you have spikes in your gold

[0:33:46] Voice 17: ditch, but it's projects

[0:33:48] Voice 17: like this that helps

[0:33:50] Voice 7: make it a more robust project.

[0:33:54] Voice 18: All right.

[0:33:56] Voice 7: Any more questions?

[0:33:57] Voice 7: Next slide.

[0:33:58] Voice 7: So this is our preliminary project schedule, and I want to emphasize it is subject to change.

[0:34:04] Voice 7: So in 2022, we identified the cable route, we did some archeological overview assessments,

[0:34:10] Voice 7: assessments we did our desktop environmental assessments um last year we did more field-based

[0:34:16] Voice 7: environmental surveys and preliminary archaeological assessment this year we have applied for these

[0:34:23] Voice 7: four permits um and we hope to receive those permits between

[0:34:29] Voice 17: this and next year uh 2025 we

[0:34:33] Voice 17: will be doing the intertidal and the

[0:34:34] Voice 7: uncivil construction we don't know the exact timing

[0:34:38] Voice 7: because if we need to get our statutory right-of-way permit to do that and then

[0:34:43] Voice 7: we will be laying the cable in the summer so probably July-August we want

[0:34:48] Voice 7: a nice calm season. Any questions?

[0:34:54] Voice 17: A couple questions about this. So the statutory right-of-way which is actually what

[0:34:57] Voice 17: triggered us to like invite you which thank you very much for being here just

[0:35:01] Voice 17: for us to understand because we field questions when can we ask those landing staff about this

[0:35:06] Voice 17: and I was like, I have no idea about submarine cables, so it's very helpful, so thank you for being here.

[0:35:12] Voice 17: So the statutory right-of-way, from my understanding, is that there are any landowner where you're coming on shore

[0:35:19] Voice 17: and any of those places potentially has to sign some paperwork related to the things that you're doing?

[0:35:25] Voice 17: So

[0:35:25] Voice 5: we were asked to reach out

[0:35:31] Voice 7: to private property over here on Salt Spring and the BC Transportation

[0:35:39] Voice 17: Finance

[0:35:42] Voice 7: Authority to let them know.

[0:35:46] Voice 7: So we have done that.

[0:35:47] Voice 7: So we are not going to be impacting any private property.

[0:35:51] Voice 7: Our cable route for Washington will be on Foreshore and Crown will not affect private property.

[0:36:00] Voice 7: And then on Hull 3, we're coming through the DCTF lands.

[0:36:03] Voice 7: And again, we will have to get a right-of-way from them.

[0:36:07] Voice 7: But the statutory right-of-way that we're applying for is basically the Inland Water.

[0:36:11] Voice 7: Okay. That's perfect. Thank you.

[0:36:13] Voice 8: And another question I had. Oh, I know what it was.

[0:36:16] Voice 8: So as you're doing

[0:36:18] Voice 17: the Ithacaidal

[0:36:21] Voice 8: and Afgan civil construction,

[0:36:22] Voice 17: that's I think a little more obviously for us anyway,

[0:36:26] Voice 17: where when people start seeing the construction, we are so far through this process by the time that starts happening,

[0:36:32] Voice 17: and then everybody comes up. So I guess the question is, as that starts to happen,

[0:36:39] Voice 17: if you can give us a heads up before our single truck shows up, that's super helpful.

[0:36:42] Voice 17: so so that you can like feel that like we know exactly well we know what it is

[0:36:48] Voice 17: and we're understanding it now but it'll just help is there any expectation of

[0:36:53] Voice 17: like tree cutting which is the thing we'll number one trick it out on tender

[0:36:57] Voice 17: yeah so no tender no

[0:36:59] Voice 17: tree cutting yes we will have to take out one at least

[0:37:04] Voice 8: one big problem

[0:37:06] Voice 8: okay to be perfectly open

[0:37:09] Voice 5: we will have to take out one big

[0:37:12] Voice 5: that looks for eliminations

[0:37:14] Voice 7: yeah um the nations are not opposed to that at this point you may

[0:37:18] Voice 7: have to take out some more little trees not sure can't comment right now on any true pruning or

[0:37:25] Voice 7: tree removal that would be needed to support the overhead um upgrades we won't know that we just

[0:37:33] Voice 7: did a survey which caused great consternation for a bunch of people to do line

[0:37:37] Voice 7: locates and and

[0:37:39] Voice 7: and they'll look at all the poles

[0:37:40] Voice 7: to know where all the poles are, all the anchors.

[0:37:43] Voice 7: So as we move through design,

[0:37:45] Voice 7: we'll get a better idea of what poles need to replace.

[0:37:49] Voice 7: And then our bench crews will go out and say,

[0:37:52] Voice 7: okay, we need to trim similar to what we did to downtown

[0:37:56] Voice 7: when we double-circuited those, I don't know,

[0:37:59] Voice 7: 10 or 12 poles downtown.

[0:38:01] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:38:01] Voice 7: You

[0:38:01] Voice 8: mean the jet plane?

[0:38:02] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:38:03] Voice 7: Sorry.

[0:38:05] Voice 7: So I can't say no, I can't say yes,

[0:38:08] Voice 7: but we can let you know as we know and then as we get closer to construction we

[0:38:18] Voice 7: can provide you with a schedule we can provide you with something yeah

[0:38:22] Voice 17: it's on

[0:38:24] Voice 17: a digital page if you provide us links then we can post them in our kind of

[0:38:27] Voice 17: post we can post in our communication it's going to

[0:38:29] Voice 17: help just alleviate the

[0:38:30] Voice 17: concentration or at least flag it early for you so that you know who you have to

[0:38:34] Voice 17: talk to your pathways for communication are different than our pathways for

[0:38:38] Voice 17: communication so as long as you're connecting with us right yeah

[0:38:42] Voice 6: i just

[0:38:44] Voice 17: think that's reasonable

[0:38:45] Voice 17: yeah

[0:38:46] Voice 5: i

[0:38:48] Voice 2: was trying not to make a joke about it

[0:38:50] Voice 2: just don't show up with those

[0:38:53] Voice 17: yeah so but if you if you just coordinate with us on that and

[0:38:56] Voice 17: define we generally need like a month in advance just because of the way things happen for us to

[0:39:02] Voice 17: be able to post stuff that's good and because

[0:39:03] Voice 17: um the civil

[0:39:05] Voice 7: and intertidal construction is

[0:39:07] Voice 7: timed around the long time window we certainly will be able to do that and we do expect to have

[0:39:14] Voice 7: a website active for this page um once we can not have a schedule that's subject to change we'd like

[0:39:21] Voice 17: to get it out there you know just so that we

[0:39:23] Voice 7: can communicate once instead um i have to retract it

[0:39:28] Voice 7: and if

[0:39:28] Voice 17: you're interested to come back to panda i suggest like when you get close to the construction

[0:39:32] Voice 17: space for the land portion that's going to be the real thing that we do like ice cream on the dock

[0:39:38] Voice 17: and like answer questions for people

[0:39:47] Voice 5: all right moving

[0:39:54] Voice 17: on to the next project so this is our realignment project

[0:39:59] Voice 17: so before i get into the details i really want to stress

[0:40:04] Voice 17: progress in the early planning stages

[0:40:07] Voice 7: of this project we have not finalized the cable route

[0:40:13] Voice 7: we have not even purchased the cable and we have not applied for it so we are not starting

[0:40:21] Voice 7: construction next week or even next year i want to just make that crispo clear because there has

[0:40:25] Voice 7: been some misunderstanding so what

[0:40:29] Voice 17: we're proposing to do is we have an existing cable that goes from

[0:40:32] Voice 17: Ruffle point to I remain we are proposing to relocate

[0:40:36] Voice 7: it from ruffle point to be safe

[0:40:41] Voice 17: We have been engaging with some magic way

[0:40:46] Voice 17: Homeowners society and the marina we were

[0:40:49] Voice 7: actually I would put them before we came to this meeting

[0:40:53] Voice 7: Talking about these bay

[0:40:56] Voice 7: They suggested to alternate

[0:40:57] Voice 17: locations both of them and the bay

[0:41:00] Voice 17: We have committed to look at those and we have committed to go back to them

[0:41:05] Voice 7: in July

[0:41:07] Voice 7: with either a yes or no and if it's a no, why these things don't look good for a group.

[0:41:13] Voice 7: We have also reached out to the BBC Health Authority, talking to many of those people,

[0:41:18] Voice 7: we've been talking to the various

[0:41:20] Voice 7: governments about this project as well.

[0:41:25] Voice 7: So again, we're in the really, really early stages.

[0:41:28] Voice 7: So the reason we want to do this is our original plan was to do more extensive upgrades to

[0:41:37] Voice 7: the existing overhead distribution system here on Pender to give us the flexibility

[0:41:43] Voice 17: but

[0:41:43] Voice 7: when our line crews looked at it they were like this is not safe.

[0:41:47] Voice 7: So this is our best way to get again the power closer to the high load area here on North

[0:41:58] Voice 7: tender and still have that sort of three feeder loop and i just wanted it wasn't safe for the

[0:42:05] Voice 7: crews to work on it they thought it presented risk to them um working in stormy and dark

[0:42:11] Voice 7: conditions so that was a safety stop on their part like

[0:42:14] Voice 2: down irene bay area

[0:42:16] Voice 7: is where the issue is

[0:42:17] Voice 7: we were in a double circuit and they were concerned with having two circuits on the same

[0:42:22] Voice 7: holes oh like

[0:42:23] Voice 7: that it's not a safe configuration when you're out there in the store at night if

[0:42:28] Voice 7: we have deaf contractors coming by and they're like no yeah so

[0:42:32] Voice 7: we went back to the drawing board

[0:42:36] Voice 7: okay so what we are proposing underlying proposing next slide is re-terminating in

[0:42:44] Voice 7: feeds bay so

[0:42:45] Voice 17: what we're proposing to do is for those of you familiar with the arena is the cable

[0:42:49] Voice 17: would come up along the side of boat ramp and

[0:42:54] Voice 7: this path just allows this not

[0:42:55] Voice 7: just a little bit it would go up here cross over the road somewhere and hook

[0:43:00] Voice 7: into there's a there's a pole right over here why these big it's a protected

[0:43:08] Voice 7: neighborhood sandy bottom it's got minimal environment in this environment

[0:43:13] Voice 7: left affects the marine environment minimal to no vegetation clearing it's

[0:43:19] Voice 7: close to the existing distribution system and the highland area it minimizes the improvements we need

[0:43:26] Voice 7: to do the existing um overhead system all all we have to do is upgrade about 500 meters of single

[0:43:34] Voice 17: phase along this road and i can't remember what the name of it is until we hit the main road from

[0:43:40] Voice 17: singles to three phase uh we

[0:43:44] Voice 7: have to increase the size of the conductor and again we'll replace

[0:43:47] Voice 7: place holes as

[0:43:48] Voice 18: needed also

[0:43:50] Voice 7: the fact that the landing comes up a long road allowance and it

[0:43:54] Voice 7: minimizes um and potentially avoids any impact right again here we this one we actually don't

[0:44:03] Voice 7: need to install pull boxes because the run is so short from here to the terminal pole we can just

[0:44:11] Voice 7: take a full sun read cable right up to the base of the pool any

[0:44:17] Voice 17: questions yes yes because we live

[0:44:22] Voice 17: around there yeah and

[0:44:24] Voice 18: we don't want that in the

[0:44:25] Voice 17: bay but

[0:44:26] Voice 18: i think both would be available

[0:44:30] Voice 17: that is what was proposed uh or suggested by the magic lake property owners society at the

[0:44:38] Voice 17: director's meeting and we did commit to take away and take a look at both both and the bay

[0:44:45] Voice 17: as alternative landing locations yeah because uh crd runs out of boatness as well so

[0:44:52] Voice 17: so to get rid of our waste, so that it's boating up as well.

[0:45:01] Voice 8: And

[0:45:02] Voice 17: I understood years ago that it was quite rocky

[0:45:05] Voice 17: in Deep Bay because they didn't want to clear out

[0:45:08] Voice 17: for better moorage for the boats, bigger boats,

[0:45:12] Voice 17: but that was never allowed.

[0:45:15] Voice 17: So I don't know how much sand there is.

[0:45:18] Voice 17: I mean, there is a right of way to get out of Sun Marina,

[0:45:21] Voice 17: but

[0:45:21] Voice 8: we

[0:45:22] Voice 17: haven't done a survey yet, so that's,

[0:45:24] Voice 17: we still

[0:45:24] Voice 7: don't know the cable.

[0:45:26] Voice 7: we still don't know the route of the relocation and we can't do the survey until we confirm we're

[0:45:31] Voice 7: alerting the land here so that's basic we're basically doing that right now um yes so hang

[0:45:38] Voice 13: on hang on is there a consideration to the um weather that right now in irene bay is well

[0:45:44] Voice 13: protected called the southeast wind every time there's a southeast storm the power stays on

[0:45:50] Voice 13: on south otter bay road but when the only time that the power was out along the feeder goes out

[0:45:59] Voice 13: is when the wind comes which only happens a few times a year um and if you're coming in the main

[0:46:07] Voice 13: feeds come in into magic won't you have a problem with more storms taking on the main piece so the

[0:46:13] Voice 7: issue is not with the cable it's no the way

[0:46:16] Voice 13: the yeah just the main overhead lines the trees come

[0:46:20] Voice 13: down on the overhead line called magic plate regular but not not along south outer bay unless

[0:46:27] Voice 13: there's a west wind okay

[0:46:28] Voice 7: that's news to me so thank you for that but the other thing too is

[0:46:32] Voice 7: we would have the extra feeder so we'll be able

[0:46:35] Voice 7: instead of just having to do

[0:46:37] Voice 13: but if they're both

[0:46:37] Voice 13: exposed to the southeast wind there'll be a problem there could be a problem i don't i don't

[0:46:44] Voice 13: know whether poor washington is it or not and

[0:46:47] Voice 7: i yeah i don't know either i can we can take that

[0:46:49] Voice 7: a wave but it wouldn't be the

[0:46:54] Voice 17: submarine cable that's impacted by the wind not

[0:46:57] Voice 13: the right yeah

[0:46:57] Voice 13: not the submarine cable but you know as soon as it feeds into the power pole

[0:47:02] Voice 13: so what

[0:47:04] Voice 7: you're saying is is is the two the the new cable and the

[0:47:09] Voice 13: lines

[0:47:10] Voice 7: will are basically

[0:47:11] Voice 7: impacted by the same winds i

[0:47:13] Voice 13: don't i don't know about four watch which way which way

[0:47:22] Voice 17: Yeah, that's interesting just because it's it's really about like somebody's gonna be affected right like at some point

[0:47:28] Voice 17: But the question is how far is the outage?

[0:47:31] Voice 13: Yeah, and how long?

[0:47:33] Voice 13: Because it's any time that it's out of power. I mean they usually is not

[0:47:40] Voice 17: Right. Yeah

[0:47:41] Voice 8: We're

[0:47:45] Voice 14: going to end up looking at three locations

[0:47:48] Voice 14: Big Spike, Gold Nook, and Panda Bay

[0:47:54] Voice 14: yeah so you'll be looking somewhere in line as part of that review and you'll be looking at all

[0:48:05] Voice 14: kinds of considerations um so your analysis of that that would be made public so we can understand

[0:48:15] Voice 14: the cost benefits of the three locations or the vulnerabilities or the factors what's your

[0:48:24] Voice 14: by communicating your choice of location we

[0:48:28] Voice 7: have committed to go back to the magic lake property

[0:48:31] Voice 7: owners association and tell them why one is preferable to the other um that's what we've

[0:48:40] Voice 7: committed to so far right we

[0:48:41] Voice 7: have not committed to doing that more publicly so

[0:48:46] Voice 17: for us we i think for

[0:48:48] Voice 17: me anyway what i would like to know so this is a little bit of a challenge in terms of just

[0:48:54] Voice 17: understanding responsibilities and weights of different organizations on the island right

[0:48:59] Voice 17: so i think it's important for the magic bay homeowners association to have input in terms

[0:49:04] Voice 17: of the logistics and impact on housing and community

[0:49:08] Voice 8: folks in that state we're still

[0:49:11] Voice 8: legislatively obliged to make sure that anything related to the port or the marine environment

[0:49:17] Voice 17: meets our standards. So we just need to be able to move on that too, like from that perspective.

[0:49:21] Voice 17: I think it'd be great for us all to do that, like kind of hear the

[0:49:26] Voice 17: decision. I mean, you're

[0:49:28] Voice 17: obliged to meet our requirements because we're, you know, so I feel like you will, except

[0:49:33] Voice 17: CRD is violated several times. So it would be really nice to know in advance that you're

[0:49:38] Voice 17: meeting are so can you sorry yeah what do you think are required so

[0:49:45] Voice 7: like yeah

[0:49:46] Voice 17: like that you

[0:49:47] Voice 17: are meeting the intent of the islands trust act to protect the foreshore the environment of the

[0:49:53] Voice 17: foreshore and the environment of the marine aquatic environment as you travel through it

[0:49:59] Voice 17: so like that you're not as you if you are disrupting places because that happens during

[0:50:05] Voice 8: construction that

[0:50:06] Voice 17: you are repairing it to the pre-existing that would be a way to like manage

[0:50:12] Voice 17: that and i believe that from what you're talking right but we need to make sure that everyone in

[0:50:17] Voice 17: the community understands that and that would

[0:50:20] Voice 7: be part of our that's part of our our permit

[0:50:23] Voice 7: obligations like our dfo request for review and

[0:50:26] Voice 17: all the other permits you would think that that

[0:50:28] Voice 17: is like obvious except we've had a lot of enforcement against the crd for things that they

[0:50:33] Voice 17: So our history here in the islands is complex and not always trusting the other levels of government.

[0:50:39] Voice 17: So thank you for the work you're doing.

[0:50:41] Voice 17: I think

[0:50:42] Voice 7: what I'm hearing is that you would like direct communication from DC Catcher.

[0:50:46] Voice 7: Just

[0:50:46] Voice 14: to bow down here, I have a place in Magic Lake. I'm a member of the property association.

[0:50:53] Voice 14: I can make my voice heard through that venue.

[0:50:56] Voice 14: Yeah, not everybody in Magic Lane or on the island who has an interest in the alignment of where the line's going to go

[0:51:05] Voice 14: Is a member of that group. That's right. So just as you're here today, I would imagine we'd have another meeting

[0:51:12] Voice 14: When you've done all of your technical work and environmental studies and you come back and say this is the first

[0:51:21] Voice 14: So we've

[0:51:22] Voice 7: committed to try to send information to you guys in time for your PC Hydro, it's very slow, it takes us a long time though.

[0:51:36] Voice 7: And I don't want to overpromise and under deliver, to try and have the information to you on where we want to land the cable in time for the July meeting.

[0:51:49] Voice 7: and

[0:51:50] Voice 17: which is on the 2nd of May, is that the answer?

[0:51:54] Voice 17: So you're

[0:51:55] Voice 14: going to record on the 3rd of...

[0:51:57] Voice 14: So

[0:51:57] Voice 17: yeah, we talked to...

[0:51:59] Voice 17: Like this July?

[0:52:00] Voice 14: Yeah.

[0:52:01] Voice 7: Why don't you

[0:52:02] Voice 18: try to work fast?

[0:52:05] Voice 5: We're all, I mean currently we met with you guys in April and this came up so we're already

[0:52:13] Voice 5: you know, we're already

[0:52:14] Voice 7: in the process of looking at and both of, we just need to do

[0:52:18] Voice 7: a few more things than we need to analyze the results and we can have a decision and then we

[0:52:23] Voice 7: also committed to go back to you guys to talk about construction and what you know what not

[0:52:29] Voice 7: schedules etc etc as and when meeting

[0:52:33] Voice 14: so

[0:52:34] Voice 7: yes so

[0:52:35] Voice 14: you can have a project website so i can sign up

[0:52:39] Voice 14: and get see stuff online as well as attending a

[0:52:43] Voice 14: meeting in july with the property owners

[0:52:45] Voice 14: Association I'm used to participating in CRD processes like the viral solids

[0:52:52] Voice 14: used with Ministry of Transportation on several

[0:52:57] Voice 14: things that do have

[0:52:58] Voice 14: environmental impacts and they have a dedicated project website I can

[0:53:04] Voice 14: subscribe to that and get notice and see reports so I don't

[0:53:12] Voice 14: i don't know very much about we don't

[0:53:15] Voice 7: eyebrows we don't have engagement

[0:53:17] Voice 14: process but

[0:53:19] Voice 7: yeah we can set

[0:53:20] Voice 7: one up for both we're setting one up for the other project that's further up progressed and we can

[0:53:25] Voice 7: set one up for this one great

[0:53:27] Voice 17: thank you i

[0:53:27] Voice 7: won't make a tight commitment to when this one will

[0:53:30] Voice 7: have a website

[0:53:31] Voice 17: yet um and maybe i just would like so that when we're looking at these projects we

[0:53:39] Voice 17: We are looking at a perspective.

[0:53:42] Voice 17: We're looking at it from a stakeholder perspective

[0:53:44] Voice 17: in regards to the impact of private property.

[0:53:47] Voice 17: We're looking, and in that as well,

[0:53:49] Voice 17: we're looking at stakeholder, provincial stakeholders.

[0:53:52] Voice 17: Are we doing the fiscally responsible thing?

[0:53:56] Voice 17: So does it require extreme upgrades to our system

[0:54:00] Voice 17: that are much more expensive than going with another group?

[0:54:04] Voice 17: So that's what we'll be reporting back out on

[0:54:07] Voice 17: as those measures that we look at to determine um which room is feasible and of course there's the

[0:54:13] Voice 17: engineering perspective as well right like do the bays uh are they technically able to

[0:54:20] Voice 17: um hold our cable and let it be there for 40 years without the things eroding away so

[0:54:25] Voice 17: and then after that

[0:54:27] Voice 7: we also have consultation with the nations and then we

[0:54:30] Voice 7: also look at safety

[0:54:31] Voice 7: So safety for the public safety for our crews. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff a lot of stuff that goes into the background

[0:54:40] Voice 18: Yeah

[0:54:42] Voice 17: You do have any engagement documents on that like what was like that?

[0:54:46] Voice 17: Oh

[0:54:47] Voice 17: How you make the decisions about those tables because that would be super useful for a few years

[0:54:51] Voice 17: No, we don't just

[0:54:54] Voice 17: just generally from a like a project perspective

[0:54:59] Voice 17: But just knowing that like what you just said, how you just summed it up, you should do a

[0:55:03] Voice 17: little five-minute like, this is how we're doing it.

[0:55:05] Voice 17: And like what you just put there.

[0:55:06] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:55:07] Voice 7: So what we call this is structured decision-making.

[0:55:09] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:55:09] Voice 7: So we're doing a mini

[0:55:11] Voice 6: one of those right now to

[0:55:12] Voice 7: look at pandemic and COVID.

[0:55:14] Voice 7: So if you want, we can provide something to send to you.

[0:55:21] Voice 7: That would be nice.

[0:55:22] Voice 17: Or just the way you just said it would be really helpful for others to hear it.

[0:55:26] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:55:29] Voice 17: So would PenderPost be a good place to share information?

[0:55:34] Voice 17: You can put an ad in PenderPost if you want, but you can also send us the link and we'll

[0:55:38] Voice 17: post it in our, like every two months at the moment, PenderPost.

[0:55:42] Voice 17: We can do that.

[0:55:43] Voice 17: And we can also just, we can add it to our page, it's like our North Pender page on the

[0:55:47] Voice 17: Trust, if anybody looks at that.

[0:55:49] Voice 17: And like, randomly, you can also post it on the forum.

[0:55:57] Voice 5: Anyone else?

[0:56:01] Voice 5: Next slide.

[0:56:01] Voice 5: so this is a this is where the cable currently comes on shore so the cable comes from the water

[0:56:12] Voice 5: it is direct buried through

[0:56:14] Voice 17: here this is the terminal pole these things that look like

[0:56:17] Voice 17: arms from spider-man are actually four cables called terminal pole so basically we have a

[0:56:25] Voice 17: right-of-way and

[0:56:26] Voice 5: our plan is to replace the cable with this right away we will have to bring it up

[0:56:31] Voice 5: to the current standards um we don't direct very cables anymore so we will

[0:56:36] Voice 7: install a ducting system

[0:56:39] Voice 7: and again there will be pole boxes somewhere

[0:56:42] Voice 5: in here and rather than one pole we now standard

[0:56:45] Voice 5: is two poles because you can only have three

[0:56:49] Voice 7: of these on one pole and then you need the fourth

[0:56:50] Voice 7: one in another pool and we have reached out to bc parks to start to talk to them about that

[0:56:55] Voice 7: Again, the exact route, we're not sure of.

[0:57:00] Voice 7: Any questions?

[0:57:01] Voice 5: All right.

[0:57:04] Voice 5: So again, this project will increase the operational flexibility,

[0:57:08] Voice 7: it will improve reliability,

[0:57:11] Voice 7: and it will bring the load closer, it'll bring the supply closer to the load.

[0:57:17] Voice 7: This, I just want to reinforce that this is a complementary project to the earlier one.

[0:57:22] Voice 7: This project, we will not start working on it until the other one's in service, because

[0:57:26] Voice 7: we still want to have the two feet of supply for it all.

[0:57:31] Voice 13: this you say this project you mean the relocation the relocation yeah how will that improve

[0:57:36] Voice 13: reliability because

[0:57:38] Voice 7: it'll maintain the three it'll maintain the the three pieces and it also means

[0:57:44] Voice 7: that the the power source is closer to where you need it so it has to travel it doesn't have to

[0:57:51] Voice 7: travel from more

[0:57:52] Voice 13: reliable romantic place okay

[0:57:54] Voice 7: yes and and the whole north pender community as well

[0:57:59] Voice 7: right? No.

[0:58:01] Voice 13: People close to Irene Bay will have less

[0:58:04] Voice 13: reliability if power comes in. Instead of getting a feed coming out of the water,

[0:58:10] Voice 13: they'll feed the other way. So it's not quite everybody. Just curious about that.

[0:58:16] Voice 17: It'll be that area that is... so we'll still have the cable at Fort Wash, but the

[0:58:22] Voice 17: Irene Bay cable will be removed. We will not have power coming into Irene Bay

[0:58:30] Voice 17: yeah so yeah so there will be a slight shift in the ability I would just I be

[0:58:45] Voice 17: careful to say that we're it's we aren't expecting

[0:58:48] Voice 7: we've not mentioned or talked

[0:58:51] Voice 7: about as a product team expecting to see areas of

[0:58:54] Voice 17: pendrive and see a decline in

[0:58:56] Voice 17: reliability as a result of these projects but we can take that away and with our distribution team

[0:59:02] Voice 17: just to confirm that but um generally that's that's that's not something that you know usually

[0:59:09] Voice 17: we would have other upgrades to accommodate that if a project took away an area's reliability it's

[0:59:15] Voice 17: mostly from what i can understand of the way we lose power on thunder it's mostly because of our

[0:59:21] Voice 17: land distribution. It's not about the submarine. It's the land distribution network because we

[0:59:26] Voice 17: have a lot of trees. And so our trees mix various lines during big storm events. And sometimes it

[0:59:33] Voice 17: can be quite a lot. But in a smaller event, depending which lines get hit, different areas

[0:59:40] Voice 17: of the island go out. So if you're closer to the submarine cable, you have more reliability. There's

[0:59:45] Voice 17: not much you can do about it. It's like whoever's close to the submarine cable has the most

[0:59:48] Voice 17: viability because they're close to the kid

[0:59:51] Voice 14: so yeah so when you're looking at these three locations now

[1:00:00] Voice 14: milk and have you given up on iring bay as an alternative totally so it wouldn't be included

[1:00:07] Voice 14: in that analysis correct

[1:00:09] Voice 7: and

[1:00:10] Voice 14: the reason for that again is because we

[1:00:13] Voice 7: want to bring the feeder

[1:00:14] Voice 7: closer to the boat and

[1:00:16] Voice 14: that's a really important consideration it's

[1:00:18] Voice 7: an important consideration for

[1:00:19] Voice 7: system reliability i think

[1:00:24] Voice 14: that's important to communicate as to why you're going from an

[1:00:28] Voice 14: existing line locations and then going over to another location.

[1:00:37] Voice 17: Just so you know the interpretation I would make and I think I'm understanding the difference of it

[1:00:43] Voice 17: now but from everything that we've already talked about I would be like more people the decision is

[1:00:50] Voice 17: getting made so that more people have the power sort of like that we level power for the for most

[1:00:58] Voice 17: people on thunder and I know that's not what you said but that's this

[1:01:01] Voice 17: interpretation so you have to communicate that because it's just

[1:01:05] Voice 17: because magic lake is there's history you can talk about that it has a lot of

[1:01:12] Voice 17: people it's the reason now in stress was formed it's like it's so pulling from

[1:01:18] Voice 17: other rural you're like and again it's question if it's with other there's

[1:01:23] Voice 17: something there that we should talk about a little bit more

[1:01:26] Voice 17: and we'll have to talk to our planners about it because they look at it holistically i deliver

[1:01:33] Voice 7: projects i don't have

[1:01:35] Voice 7: all that background and i certainly don't have the history yeah

[1:01:38] Voice 7: so yeah

[1:01:40] Voice 8: and i literally think it's just a huge issue so

[1:01:43] Voice 7: we're trying to we're trying to improve

[1:01:45] Voice 7: the reliability of the gulf island system and make sure that as many people as possible have

[1:01:53] Voice 7: reliable power that's our mandate that's what we're trying to do absolutely

[1:01:58] Voice 17: and that's it right

[1:02:00] Voice 8: there that's

[1:02:00] Voice 17: the majority

[1:02:01] Voice 8: of the population lives in the magic lake area by a number so

[1:02:05] Voice 8: population point of view and that's always a little bit of attention on this island so it

[1:02:11] Voice 8: be placed lots of other people live in other places and that's

[1:02:16] Voice 7: part of the reason we're

[1:02:16] Voice 7: putting in a new cable yeah right so that's another source of power and

[1:02:23] Voice 17: i i mean these

[1:02:24] Voice 17: cables also in a regular configuration the gulf island loop um galliano um doesn't eat north

[1:02:32] Voice 17: tender island um but if you know in storm situations or if we're doing work and we we

[1:02:39] Voice 17: could shift how we're feeding it and the same thing um with these cables um they could serve

[1:02:45] Voice 17: the galliano load as well as north and right so it it is reliable about north kind of but

[1:02:52] Voice 17: it's generally we had

[1:02:57] Voice 2: a massive power outage in 2018 if it was winter of 2018

[1:03:03] Voice 2: and that was I ran the pub at that time and we were feeding all the hydro crews

[1:03:09] Voice 2: so we got to sit and talk with the guys when they're having dinner and stuff and

[1:03:13] Voice 2: that was one of the things it's like how can you feed power to the island what

[1:03:18] Voice 2: what, how many options do you have to get power back

[1:03:21] Voice 2: to the clinic, to the driftwood,

[1:03:23] Voice 2: like and reroute it as quick as possible.

[1:03:27] Voice 2: Because we haven't had historically

[1:03:30] Voice 2: a ton of options for doing that.

[1:03:32] Voice 2: And the way I see it, like this would be addressing

[1:03:35] Voice 2: some of that to be able to pull power

[1:03:37] Voice 2: from different directions to get the island back up

[1:03:41] Voice 2: and running to some level quicker.

[1:03:44] Voice 7: And even though we're talking about individual projects,

[1:03:46] Voice 7: There's a whole group behind us that looks at it from, you know, 10,000 foot

[1:03:52] Voice 17: level and says, okay, if we do this and this, then we drop that to flexibility.

[1:03:57] Voice 17: Right.

[1:03:58] Voice 17: And that's what this is all about.

[1:03:59] Voice 7: And, you know, this just happens to be the best way to do it for tender and, you know, politics,

[1:04:09] Voice 17: history.

[1:04:11] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:04:11] Voice 7: That

[1:04:12] Voice 17: was four days.

[1:04:16] Voice 17: for pender uh saturn had 12. yeah we had property on the alien yeah yeah yeah

[1:04:22] Voice 8: and so i'd like to

[1:04:23] Voice 8: tell you that i appreciate pc hydro and

[1:04:26] Voice 17: how it's improved over the years because i've been up

[1:04:29] Voice 17: without power four or five days when we first moved here so and it's a lot better now oh yeah

[1:04:35] Voice 6: it's great

[1:04:36] Voice 6: yeah i

[1:04:38] Voice 17: mean i think the other thing to point out is

[1:04:40] Voice 7: there is limits to what we can do

[1:04:42] Voice 7: because if you if you look at the road network if you want to yeah so there's

[1:04:51] Voice 7: not you know there's lots of bedrock so if we wanted to you know install

[1:04:56] Voice 7: something along the road there's not a lot of room we have to do a lot of

[1:05:00] Voice 7: blasting

[1:05:01] Voice 17: so here we've looked at a whole bunch of alternatives and what's you

[1:05:05] Voice 7: know again

[1:05:05] Voice 17: what's the best for the environment what's the best for safety

[1:05:08] Voice 17: of our

[1:05:09] Voice 17: crew is not only doing the installation but also doing the regular maintenance and what

[1:05:14] Voice 17: happens when they have to respond to an event you know what about the vegetation clear so there's

[1:05:18] Voice 17: just there's you know we're

[1:05:20] Voice 17: coming to you with a project but there was so much

[1:05:22] Voice 7: stuff that is gone

[1:05:23] Voice 7: on in the background for years and years and years before it's released to us and so it's not a spur

[1:05:30] Voice 7: of the moment decision it's not you know it's methodical go back look go back we'll talk for

[1:05:36] Voice 7: line crews you know what's best for the whole network that we're trying to serve so no it's

[1:05:43] Voice 8: great we're hoping that

[1:05:44] Voice 8: mophie actually keeps the fact that we have to have a road from south

[1:05:48] Voice 8: from here

[1:05:49] Voice 17: any other

[1:05:50] Voice 17: questions or comments it

[1:05:52] Voice 8: did help a lot when the

[1:05:54] Voice 17: crews came over and turned

[1:05:56] Voice 17: back a lot of the trees along the line to do this past winter yeah and

[1:06:01] Voice 5: that's on a regular

[1:06:01] Voice 5: were really

[1:06:02] Voice 17: a recycle usually vegetation clearing one of three or four year cycles depending on um

[1:06:08] Voice 17: the the climate and the growth of the trees that we experience and just i almost think this is such

[1:06:13] Voice 17: an interesting fact vancouver island has the highest true count for kilometer utility line

[1:06:19] Voice 17: anywhere in north america um and and that's vancouver islands uh you know when you drive

[1:06:25] Voice 17: around kenya you probably think it looks a little bit different than you know when you're driving

[1:06:28] Voice 17: in victoria and in iowa so um certainly trees do pose a challenge to our crews and um and it is a

[1:06:36] Voice 17: bit of a dance right we know that people live here because they love the nature but we also know that

[1:06:42] Voice 17: they have an impact to our system so so we maintain it in a way that we can improve reliability

[1:06:49] Voice 17: without impacting the environment for the aesthetics do our best to do that

[1:06:55] Voice 17: yep okay this is our preliminary project schedule which is already changed so this

[1:07:06] Voice 17: year we're going to complete desktop field studies to identify the suitable

[1:07:10] Voice 17: cable route bring our own land we will submit a right-of-way application next

[1:07:16] Voice 17: year our plan is to complete design complete our archaeological assessments

[1:07:20] Voice 17: complete our setup

[1:07:23] Voice 7: right away.

[1:07:24] Voice 7: We have pushed civil installations to 2026

[1:07:28] Voice 7: because we have to delay the other project.

[1:07:30] Voice 7: So 2026, we would get the civil installations

[1:07:33] Voice 7: and then we would install separate cables.

[1:07:39] Voice 2: So that'd be like 2027, probably.

[1:07:43] Voice 2: 2026, would it still get installed or

[1:07:46] Voice 7: would that be?

[1:07:46] Voice 7: Oh yeah.

[1:07:47] Voice 7: So we're hoping that by-

[1:07:49] Voice 2: It doesn't delay it that much.

[1:07:51] Voice 7: No, so basically what I'm, you know,

[1:07:53] Voice 7: in a perfect world you have all your civil stuff done here before and you come

[1:07:57] Voice 7: in but we'll just

[1:07:58] Voice 7: have to do this earlier like let's say we do it may june early july and then we would install

[1:08:04] Voice 7: the table end of july early august something like that so

[1:08:08] Voice 7: cable away window like the od is

[1:08:11] Voice 7: july august because that's when we have the nice weather but maybe depending on what weather they

[1:08:16] Voice 7: to push it into september um civil installations we want to take advantage of the low low low tides

[1:08:24] Voice 7: so again you know we can do the upland stuff and then wait for the lower low tides because that

[1:08:29] Voice 7: minimizes the amount of work we are doing actually in the water which is always harder

[1:08:33] Voice 7: even next year than if we're in the drive a lot of coordination a lot of planning has

[1:08:41] Voice 7: to go into

[1:08:46] Voice 7: Okay, so Carla's now going to take over and we

[1:08:52] Voice 17: just have a few more slides and we thought

[1:08:56] Voice 7: that it would be nice just to show you what some of the previous submarine cable projects

[1:09:01] Voice 7: look like.

[1:09:03] Voice 7: So this is the most

[1:09:05] Voice 17: recent project that we've done in the Vancouver Island region and it's

[1:09:10] Voice 17: the active past submarine cable replacement project between um me and yeah thank you um so

[1:09:21] Voice 17: the four of the same cables um within our right-of-way had reached end of life so we replaced

[1:09:26] Voice 17: it with four new cables in in the same right-of-way so you can see the margin in the background there

[1:09:33] Voice 17: some crew boats in the area one would

[1:09:36] Voice 17: be housing divers

[1:09:37] Voice 7: um

[1:09:38] Voice 17: engineers and then those boys in the

[1:09:41] Voice 17: water are actually the submarine table itself so that was a

[1:09:44] Voice 17: 600 1680 meter um crossing how

[1:09:50] Voice 17: long did the name um that was april 2022 and i think it was just a matter of a few days

[1:10:00] Voice 17: This is another submarine cable project. This one is between the NIMO and Protection Island.

[1:10:07] Voice 17: We chose a new location for the submarine cables with this project. And

[1:10:14] Voice 7: interestingly

[1:10:16] Voice 7: enough, this project happened during COVID. So it created some interesting construction

[1:10:21] Voice 7: challenges, but also removed some interesting construction challenges as

[1:10:26] Voice 17: well. So this is

[1:10:28] Voice 17: This is a similar in length, I think it was about 1.5 kilometers from a busy park in Nanaimo,

[1:10:36] Voice 17: Mateo Southern Park to Pirates Park on Protection Island, so you can see the cable wheel on

[1:10:41] Voice 17: the barge in that photo, and then I believe this was the dive boat as well, so you can

[1:10:47] Voice 17: see the dock in the background as well.

[1:10:52] Voice 9: Next slide.

[1:10:53] Voice 17: And

[1:10:53] Voice 9: so this is the

[1:10:54] Voice 17: civil construction related to the Protection Island crossing in the Nanaimo

[1:10:59] Voice 17: harbor with a park in the background depending on the landing location civil construction looks

[1:11:06] Voice 17: a little bit different in every location we usually cordon off well we always cordon off

[1:11:12] Voice 17: our work area and equipment like this is used always we try to return it to the state that we

[1:11:21] Voice 17: we found it in or better and then just to really conclude submarine cables are

[1:11:31] Voice 7: a really important part of how we see hydro serves island communities so in

[1:11:36] Voice 7: Vancouver Island region we have about 250 kilometers of submarine cables that

[1:11:41] Voice 7: serve island customers so we'll never completely eliminate outages

[1:11:47] Voice 17: but it's

[1:11:48] Voice 17: the work that we do underwater and above ground that strengthen our system and then lessen the

[1:11:55] Voice 17: impacts to customers and that's really what the heart of both of these projects are about

[1:12:04] i

[1:12:05] Voice 17: need a question and we also we

[1:12:07] Voice 3: have tamara as well so there's any environmental or i can't

[1:12:12] Voice 3: speak of some archaeological questions

[1:12:14] Voice 17: if they're in if there's more

[1:12:18] Voice 17: information needed or no i

[1:12:20] Voice 17: I think on our end, there's no,

[1:12:21] Voice 17: you're not going through eelgrass

[1:12:22] Voice 17: and kelp, it's a lot easier.

[1:12:24] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:12:25] Voice 4: Yeah, no, we have standard procedures.

[1:12:28] Voice 4: We call them approved practices for working with this,

[1:12:33] Voice 4: specifically for sub-board.

[1:12:35] Voice 4: And our crews are very aware of these practices.

[1:12:42] Voice 17: One of the things that I would highly encourage you

[1:12:44] Voice 17: to do generally is reach out to the island conservancies

[1:12:48] Voice 17: if you're dealing with any eelgrass areas,

[1:12:49] Voice 17: because involving the community in the replanting effort

[1:12:52] Voice 17: is probably a way to really help build consensus

[1:12:54] Voice 17: in Canada when you do it.

[1:13:00] Voice 8: It's awesome.

[1:13:01] Voice 8: Thank you for being here.

[1:13:02] Voice 8: So in the meantime,

[1:13:03] Voice 6: until those websites get up,

[1:13:05] Voice 6: that's information.

[1:13:07] Voice 7: I'm happy to field any questions that people have

[1:13:10] Voice 17: and

[1:13:11] Voice 7: work with the project.

[1:13:15] Voice 7: We really are early in both of these projects,

[1:13:18] Voice 7: generally speaking to when we start talking

[1:13:23] Voice 7: about construction

[1:13:23] Voice 17: and what it looks like.

[1:13:24] Voice 17: in and that but um but we will get a project website up for the fort washington to welfare

[1:13:31] Voice 17: rebate project sooner rather than later um and then more information to come in regards to

[1:13:36] Voice 17: the relocation project and what we said along in regards to landing location and why we settled on

[1:13:53] Voice 2: I do think it's super like thank you for coming out super useful to get it out there early though

[1:13:59] Voice 2: too because it does like little islands talk and there is so much misinformation that starts to

[1:14:07] Voice 2: swirl about about stuff like and so easily um so it to get it out there and even to be talking

[1:14:15] Voice 2: about it before it's actually started to happen is is uh it was very very useful yeah thanks for

[1:14:23] Voice 7: helping our morning will come back yeah thank you very much

[1:14:28] Voice 7: yeah yeah

[1:14:29] Voice 10: awesome thank you thank you

[1:14:30] Voice 7: very much so

[1:14:31] Voice 10: what we'll do we'll take like a 10 minute break when we transition over to the

[1:14:35] Voice 10: housing that's okay

[1:14:36] Voice 18: yes so

[1:14:39] Voice 10: we'll come back at 1 30. thank you

[1:14:42] Voice 11: okay so we'll reconvene

[1:27:43] Voice 10: um and we'll hand it over to planner chadwick

[1:27:49] Voice 10: with your more exciting show it's

[1:27:53] Voice 2: been been talking about it for months yes absolutely

[1:28:01] Voice 2: all the all the meetings all the everything's been about this was decided in january

[1:28:09] Voice 2: we were doing a community information meeting in may yeah yeah

[1:28:13] Voice 2: i tried to keep it a secret

[1:28:38] Voice 6: yeah you're not you're not threatening

[1:28:44] Voice 2: to mess with anybody's internet right now

[1:28:47] Voice 2: totally it's like I will be fine

[1:29:01] Voice 16: so the work that I've been doing with main

[1:29:32] Voice 16: island and Fenton Island and one of the things I've been working on is a

[1:30:00] Voice 16: stress housing options toolkit which is available on our website and i'm going to tell you a little

[1:30:07] Voice 16: bit about what's in here is it will give you a sense of of the kind of work that's happening at

[1:30:12] Voice 16: a higher level in the trust that's um that's going to help our project and other pieces projects

[1:30:20] Voice 16: okay um yeah so i'm going to talk a little bit about these initiatives um and the tools and

[1:30:27] Voice 16: processes that are available i'm going to talk a little bit about main island's process and a bit

[1:30:32] Voice 16: about devon island's process and then i was going to give a bit of um get a bit of an overview of

[1:30:38] Voice 16: where things are at for north pender and then we're going to so um the regional planning um

[1:31:03] Voice 16: committee which is a number of that oversee some of the broader projects that are island-wide

[1:31:12] Voice 16: So they've been witnessing the development of a housing strategy for the whole class of five.

[1:31:19] Voice 16: And this housing toolkit, which we completed in November of last year.

[1:31:26] Voice 16: And this is, we call it a living document.

[1:31:28] Voice 16: This won't be updated.

[1:31:31] Voice 16: Again, I'll show you the tools that are in it.

[1:31:35] Voice 16: We're reviewing a super land analysis.

[1:31:38] Voice 16: We're getting some money for this year.

[1:32:05] Voice 16: We are waiting for the province to provide their guidelines.

[1:32:21] Voice 16: So I've got a number of different things that are happening, some things that are within

[1:32:44] Voice 16: our direct outside where the advocacy needed, so the finance piece is definitely sort of

[1:32:56] Voice 16: more of an advocacy piece, but partnerships, the kind of research we need, so we've got

[1:33:17] Voice 16: this strategy basically comprised of a number of goals, most goals, living and working in

[1:33:33] Voice 16: policy the process suit of using to go up I don't know areas where you can see

[1:34:04] Voice 16: we've identified things that are internal to the

[1:34:08] Voice 16: unstuck support that

[1:34:09] Voice 16: we're doing internally regional districts and problems except so the

[1:34:22] Voice 16: housing toolkit it so there's both these kind of understand the opportunity in

[1:34:48] Voice 16: the process presses that are required as we move through a housing plan it

[1:34:53] Voice 16: It provides very direct tools for staff and also like housing agency, housing, what's

[1:35:03] Voice 16: Housing plan.

[1:35:07] Voice 2: Housing plan.

[1:35:08] Voice 16: It's right there on the island.

[1:35:34] Voice 16: We underwent with main island plan and it's evolving.

[1:35:52] Voice 16: So it's changing as we learn more.

[1:36:01] Voice 16: Here's some of the pieces.

[1:36:03] Voice 16: So the discussion speaker will come so they know where you're starting from.

[1:36:19] Voice 16: That's going to be one of the first steps in this process.

[1:36:21] Voice 16: It provides some demographic information, all of the elements, and like, you know, also

[1:36:40] Voice 16: seeing how much, what the zoning looks like for, this is the really, well, it's all useful,

[1:37:02] Voice 16: but this is the most focused piece is we've had staff and within the island's trust and

[1:37:09] Voice 16: also external to

[1:37:11] Voice 16: the island's trust think about all of the CP bylaws and land use regulation

[1:37:25] Voice 16: Regulation could support so mostly focusing on these things the flexibility to have a building housing

[1:37:36] Voice 16: So we we use some of our colleagues

[1:37:40] Voice 16: external to the trust to review some of this and this is a list that

[1:37:45] Voice 16: You know in its pages of

[1:37:47] Voice 16: possible regulations

[1:37:49] Voice 16: And this is these are the lists that are that on

[1:37:54] Voice 16: Gabriel and has found very useful to go through and see what in their community

[1:37:59] Voice 16: community.

[1:38:00] Voice 17: Can I just, can I maybe move this one to you? So, and I'm on this, but I just need to reiterate it to you in everyday language. So, the reason why I like housing, the purpose that they want to, in coordination with the CRD, so like everybody's in the know in terms of government, to be able to just get different kinds and forms of housing built.

[1:38:35] Voice 17: If that's what your housing, if that's

[1:38:37] Voice 16: what your housing focus is, yeah, then yes.

[1:38:41] Voice 16: And then all of the opportunities.

[1:39:00] Voice 17: As far as

[1:39:08] Voice 2: I know, it's all been forwarded to them already

[1:39:11] Voice 17: about a month,

[1:39:12] Voice 2: about a month

[1:39:12] Voice 2: ago.

[1:39:13] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:39:13] Voice 17: And we met in like, um,

[1:39:22] Voice 16: yeah.

[1:39:24] Voice 16: Yeah, so even though we don't have the housing needs assessments done, we do have these little baseline snapshots that arrive at the greatest understanding.

[1:39:33] Voice 16: And this is all sensitive, so that's all that.

[1:39:39] Voice 16: And part of putting this together was trying to make that sort of information all here.

[1:39:50] Voice 16: So next slide.

[1:39:55] Voice 16: So the other cool thing that the toolkit has is we actually had a polling go through every

[1:40:05] Voice 16: single document that we were aware of related to housing in the island's test.

[1:40:12] Voice 16: Some are broad, specific, and there's a number that are specific too.

[1:40:20] Voice 16: And so we had a polling go through every single one and create this unannotated bibliography

[1:40:26] Voice 16: and the links to those documents are all on the website as well, so you can see for North

[1:40:31] Voice 16: Pender there's the North Pender Portable Housing Report, that's available, and these are, this

[1:40:40] Voice 16: is, you know, some of the other, there's some broad ones too that would be relevant to North

[1:40:47] Voice 16: Pender as well, and we've got, there's a housing section on the Downs Trust website, like I

[1:40:56] Voice 16: We're updating our toolkit. We've got a very talented colleague, Phil Testamal, and he has created this great graphic for us,

[1:41:10] Voice 16: which shows, and I'm just showing you, so this, we turned into these nice little graphic sounds and still end up in our toolkit.

[1:41:20] Voice 16: So basically what this

[1:41:21] Voice 16: does is it identifies where the island's trust's responsibilities are with respect to housing.

[1:41:28] Voice 16: Because that's sometimes a bit of a challenge, really.

[1:41:31] Voice 16: The island's trust is this really weird interstitial mishmash, right?

[1:41:40] Voice 16: So it's good to know exactly what the responsibilities of the island's trust is.

[1:41:47] Voice 16: is and so um the other things like the regulation subdivision um lot coverage you know whether you

[1:41:56] Voice 16: can have a cottage on your property how many you know or more um whether you can have secondary

[1:42:01] Voice 16: suites these are all kinds of things ecosystem system protection that's all related um and

[1:42:06] Voice 16: you'll see like both main and then i'm going to show you what their um their goals that they've

[1:42:11] it

[1:42:11] Voice 16: thought about um um so those are you know looking at um size height like a number of units

[1:42:25] Voice 16: kind of kind of units those are the sorts of things that um that are within yeah this stress

[1:42:32] Voice 16: um overreach and not the mortgage but reach um things

[1:42:37] Voice 6: that are in their

[1:42:38] Voice 16: overreach are

[1:42:41] Voice 16: The regional districts are responsible for the housing services, building permits, sewer,

[1:42:54] Voice 16: parks, disposal of the things that sign the automotive division, being allowed for the

[1:43:12] Voice 12: it's

[1:43:13] Voice 16: the products that we sign off on it if a proposal um groundwater licensing things like

[1:43:22] Voice 16: that so they're all they're related um and important to understand that difference um

[1:43:32] Voice 16: this is another cool tool and basically um we had another colleague go through all of the every

[1:43:40] Voice 16: single official community plan and land use bylaw and identify the how they're related

[1:43:50] Voice 16: And so there's a compilation of every housing-related policy and regulation that exists in the AIDs

[1:44:00] Voice 16: Trust.

[1:44:01] Voice 16: And the chart identifies who has what.

[1:44:04] Voice 16: And that's really helpful because we can look to another island and see that they allow

[1:44:14] Voice 16: alternative dwelling with RVs, et cetera, we can go to their by-law and see how they

[1:44:18] Voice 16: allow them.

[1:44:18] Voice 16: because all the items are different and and there's a lot of there's a lot of

[1:44:28] Voice 16: but so on there's no planner as all so it's really it's a really helpful tool

[1:44:37] Voice 16: be helpful for public and the fact

[1:44:45] Voice 17: table is my goal yeah

[1:44:49] Voice 16: and I've got a colleague

[1:44:51] Voice 16: that's just been working on on consistency with definitions because

[1:44:57] Voice 16: that's also something that is it's a big challenge for me and it's a big challenge for pilots big

[1:45:02] Voice 16: challenge for planners is that there's different definitions like definition of the goal for an

[1:45:07] Voice 16: ambulance and then you go through it so we've

[1:45:10] Voice 16: created consistent we've created a list of

[1:45:13] Voice 16: consistent definitions

[1:45:14] Voice 17: so when we

[1:45:14] Voice 16: do these housing projects did

[1:45:19] Voice 17: the products come up with a definition

[1:45:21] Voice 17: for tiny homes um or

[1:45:24] Voice 17: do we have one

[1:45:24] Voice 16: well we will we will have one well um maine has one maine has

[1:45:34] Voice 16: And so we're aligning our

[1:45:36] Voice 16: definition as close as possible with the provincial

[1:45:42] Voice 19: definition outside.

[1:45:44] Voice 16: I'm not sure if it's in Pine Hill specifically, but I know that we look to the definitions.

[1:45:49] Voice 16: Yeah, there's some

[1:45:52] Voice 2: discussion about it at the RPC yesterday about that whole, whether there's a definition,

[1:46:00] Voice 2: definition, what that definition would mean and then how that translates into the ability

[1:46:08] Voice 2: to regulate them or to, because there's no way to inspect them at this point, because

[1:46:14] Voice 2: there isn't a definition of what that would need to be, right? What are we inspecting

[1:46:20] Voice 18: them for?

[1:46:22] Voice 18: That's

[1:46:23] Voice 2: the whole, and

[1:46:24] Voice 18: there's

[1:46:26] Voice 2: a big pushback on that because there is this whole RV definition

[1:46:31] Voice 2: and they're trying not to allow that to be the definition for tiny homes because they're not

[1:46:39] Voice 2: built for four season living typically

[1:46:41] Voice 1: right

[1:46:42] Voice 2: like like an rv so if you're going to have a tiny house

[1:46:47] Voice 2: and or tiny home and and have it be inspectable or built to a a standard

[1:46:56] Voice 2: what is that standard going to be does it have to be two by six walls like it is

[1:47:13] Voice 18: some of them are only 900 800 they are tiny homes it's just this whole tiny tiny home

[1:47:22] Voice 18: yeah

[1:47:24] Voice 16: yeah yeah we wouldn't do that it's just it's

[1:47:28] Voice 18: not over complicated yes yeah

[1:47:34] Voice 16: Yeah, being

[1:47:40] Voice 16: treated as RVs in terms of housing.

[1:47:47] Voice 16: Yeah, but it is fairly complicated because as much as, like, we haven't got the standard yet, right?

[1:47:55] Voice 16: We're working on it, and, I mean, it'll be so much.

[1:48:03] Voice 18: 100%.

[1:48:05] Voice 18: Right,

[1:48:09] Voice 2: and people are free to do that.

[1:48:11] Voice 2: I know of one that went in in the last couple of years

[1:48:15] Voice 2: and I've been to it and saw how they built it. That is

[1:48:19] Voice 2: an option, but that's an option that we don't have to do anything

[1:48:23] Voice 2: for that at all. That's just do it. If somebody has a piece of property

[1:48:28] Voice 2: they want to put a manufactured home on it.

[1:48:30] Voice 18: They want to put a tiny home instead.

[1:48:34] Voice 2: I

[1:48:35] Voice 18: think in a lot of

[1:48:36] Voice 2: cases affordability

[1:48:38] Voice 2: of land is because has become an issue with it so people are looking for a way to put

[1:48:42] Voice 2: a like a secondary tiny house on their property to provide a living space for somebody other than

[1:48:51] Voice 2: themselves is is how i understand a lot of the questions that are coming is that people don't

[1:48:58] Voice 2: want to they don't want to put a tiny house on their property for them to live in they want to

[1:49:04] Voice 2: to be able to put a tiny house on their property and the whole idea behind the wheels part of it

[1:49:09] Voice 2: is is when you get tired of that tiny house being on your property out it goes like they're not

[1:49:14] Voice 2: really willing to commit to putting a secondary dwelling on the property and going through that

[1:49:20] Voice 2: part of it they're looking

[1:49:21] Voice 6: yeah

[1:49:23] Voice 2: they're looking for a for us an easier accessibility to having a

[1:49:29] Voice 2: a second house on their property.

[1:49:33] Voice 17: So that's a good question.

[1:49:34] Voice 17: So my question is on this whole conversation.

[1:49:37] Voice 17: It's like, can the manufactured home standards

[1:49:40] Voice 17: be applied to tiny houses?

[1:49:43] Voice 17: Are

[1:49:43] Voice 18: they just a

[1:49:44] Voice 17: manufactured home?

[1:49:45] Voice 17: Are they?

[1:49:45] Voice 17: Well, there's two different standards

[1:49:47] Voice 17: for a manufactured home.

[1:49:48] Voice 17: If you

[1:49:48] Voice 17: go to any

[1:49:48] Voice 18: manufactured home,

[1:49:50] Voice 18: they're very specific about what kind of building

[1:49:53] Voice 18: standards this particular model that you're looking at.

[1:49:56] Voice 18: And it's all a piece of building code.

[1:49:58] Voice 18: It's all ready there.

[1:50:00] Voice 18: The problem

[1:50:01] Voice 16: is as soon as you put it on wheels, it becomes the challenge in terms of regulation

[1:50:09] Voice 16: and adhering to any particular rules.

[1:50:15] Voice 16: And I mean, it's certainly been a conversation we're having.

[1:50:18] Voice 18: But our bottom line is always that concrete pads hide them down.

[1:50:24] Voice 18: So the question

[1:50:26] Voice 17: in the housing thing, really large in the province, not just here,

[1:50:29] Voice 17: but is that too rigid? Should it be shifted?

[1:50:33] Voice 17: And if it shifted, I would still need to be building code in the shift.

[1:50:37] Voice 17: Because I don't want code to come up and

[1:50:41] Voice 18: it's already there.

[1:50:43] Voice 18: Yeah,

[1:50:44] Voice 16: I mean, there was a modification.

[1:51:10] Voice 16: So, unfortunately, that's been used in

[1:51:42] Voice 16: and .

[1:51:52] Voice 16: So that's something to consider.

[1:52:24] Voice 16: So this is a suitable line analysis that I was

[1:53:02] Voice 16: sensitive at that point so because so I mean like saltwater intrusion that

[1:53:34] Voice 16: happens like for so we did understanding ground water collection all of the

[1:54:06] Voice 16: space so it was a number of different elements of the land and how much was

[1:54:25] Voice 16: absorb and then basically like give it sort of cracks in the rock under the ground.

[1:54:39] Voice 16: There isn't a whole lot of holding tank and that's what you're getting, getting your, that's where you get the water.

[1:54:49] Voice 16: So we now have the information that allows us to understand where the better

[1:54:55] Voice 16: areas are on the outflow production.

[1:55:18] Voice 16: This is, so that's the aquifer vulnerability. So that's like how challenged are these aquifers by?

[1:55:24] Voice 16: We have groundwater recharge data, which is which areas are the, you know,

[1:55:39] Voice 16: well around the city that so we actually have that as well and so we also have

[1:56:10] Voice 16: some of the ecosystems we don't have cultural significance yet we're working on a few

[1:56:14] Voice 16: things fire risk and so putting this PDF map to layer all of each other

[1:56:26] Voice 16: have all of these different you know high fire risk very sensitive ecosystems

[1:56:38] Voice 16: what have you those are going to come out in that layering to the red areas

[1:56:45] Voice 16: So those are areas where you really build a little density there.

[1:56:54] Voice 16: The thing about this model, this methodology, is that things that are most important,

[1:57:02] Voice 16: like if there are things that the community finds more important,

[1:57:06] Voice 16: you increase the map when you layer up the map.

[1:57:13] Voice 16: So it's really quite cool.

[1:57:16] Voice 16: And so this is information that we'll look on a bit.

[1:57:21] Voice 16: We encourage the use of it because we use the very

[1:57:24] Voice 16: rudimentary

[1:57:51] Voice 16: We've been working on projects for Maine and for Dunedin Island, and the process has both been very different, and that sort of thing, so quite some time.

[1:58:38] Voice 16: They were very ready for any opportunity from the federal government that was coming up last year, because we were able to have an action plan quite easily based on all the conversation and the community engagement.

[1:59:00] Voice 16: Prior to that, and we work very diligently with CRD, we've really seen funding for galling ants, but we are working very closely with the milk island strategy, and so whenever the opportunities will come

[1:59:39] Voice 12: up, and it's

[1:59:39] Voice 16: an event that's normally milk island, so we're just looking to help support the development of a formal and attainable.

[2:00:00] Voice 16: housing and in a lot of cases you know

[2:00:01] Voice 16: some of the

[2:00:03] Voice 16: they're focusing on on again secondary units

[2:00:06] Voice 16: as an opportunity and

[2:00:08] Voice 6: the way that we integrate in that way is that we don't need

[2:00:12] Voice 16: for that like

[2:00:12] Voice 16: if they're if they come up with funding and

[2:00:15] Voice 16: they have they can support the development

[2:00:18] Voice 16: So they, they tried to get it manufactured tiny, so it's like a

[2:00:25] Voice 16: manufactured home, built

[2:00:27] Voice 16: to those standards.

[2:00:28] Voice 18: How have they thought about being used to not become the idea that you just don't

[2:00:34] Voice 18: allow them?

[2:00:35] Voice 18: Well, depending on the market, you don't allow it right now, but I think that's what

[2:00:47] Voice 18: most people want them for, whether they say they do or not.

[2:00:50] Voice 16: Right, yeah, I mean, I totally agree, there's a lot of people that are getting it off the

[2:00:54] Voice 16: off the website so

[2:00:55] Voice 18: any ones that are advertising that they're in your home-based business

[2:00:59] Voice 18: probably and they're there all the time well you

[2:01:08] Voice 16: can write about it you can write the bylaws

[2:01:11] Voice 16: in such a way that they aren't used for uh

[2:01:13] Voice 18: and then we've done that

[2:01:14] Voice 18: well people are living so it's really so

[2:01:45] Voice 17: basically we have to say if you have a second

[2:01:48] Voice 17: secondary suite neither the primary nor the secondary can be

[2:01:51] Voice 18: used we'll actually

[2:01:52] Voice 18: to be done now yeah we need to identify well and not to be right but i think it's the second

[2:02:01] Voice 18: people

[2:02:02] Voice 17: are living in yeah

[2:02:03] Voice 18: that's right secondary the

[2:02:04] Voice 17: homeowner is all right housing

[2:02:36] Voice 16: now then that

[2:02:45] Voice 16: by what does

[2:02:46] Voice 16: identify that if you are going to do this

[2:02:55] Voice 17: so you need to do the secondary or the

[2:03:04] Voice 17: primary but yeah

[2:03:07] Voice 16: yeah so we have to look at the how is the new

[2:03:18] Voice 17: defender i'm just wondering i

[2:03:19] Voice 17: no desire to to have a

[2:03:33] Voice 5: downsides and why there's such an

[2:03:36] Voice 17: opposition we increase

[2:03:39] Voice 17: density I'm gonna get my virginity out and feel free my understanding is you

[2:03:43] Voice 17: increase density I mean

[2:04:34] Voice 18: I'm not saying I would say that the population that they

[2:04:40] Voice 18: I would say tourists are a nice thing to have, but

[2:04:50] Voice 12: businesses themselves are

[2:04:51] Voice 17: having a hard time.

[2:04:52] Voice 17: Businesses

[2:04:53] Voice 12: would probably save some money.

[2:04:54] Voice 17: Probably, yeah.

[2:04:54] Voice 17: But I

[2:04:55] Voice 17: think it's also

[2:04:56] Voice 17: not necessarily.

[2:04:58] Voice 18: But I think it's also not

[2:05:12] Voice 17: steeped in the water.

[2:05:14] Voice 17: It varies.

[2:05:17] Voice 18: There's

[2:05:20] Voice 17: a bunch of different...

[2:05:21] Voice 17: So when you're talking about short-term vacation rentals versus hotel rooms or actually registered

[2:05:34] Voice 17: there's a difference in the accommodation tax, potentially, than there used to be.

[2:05:40] Voice 17: and so it's a bit of a loophole to do a short-term vacation rental if you're not paying to come before.

[2:05:46] Voice 17: I would

[2:05:57] Voice 15: just add that business owners would also do feel the crunch of staffing shortages with the lack of a visit.

[2:06:09] Voice 15: So even with these zones, there'd be some benefit to having more visitors come to the island,

[2:06:16] Voice 15: offset by the challenge they have of not having work, and that's a real issue.

[2:06:26] Voice 15: Construction companies

[2:06:27] Voice 18: can't get approved.

[2:06:28] Voice 18: So

[2:06:34] Voice 15: that's that I think. I would say the long-term debate around short-term vacation rentals

[2:06:45] Voice 15: has been like the increase in density and how that changes your neighbourhood, how that

[2:06:50] Voice 15: impacts water supply, etc. etc. A growing tension is taking away, and part of that conversation

[2:07:02] Voice 15: is taking away the housing stock for built businesses that require...

[2:07:11] Voice 12: It increases the stress

[2:07:12] Voice 12: on the fire department, the ambulance.

[2:07:18] Voice 15: So there is a real tension in that.

[2:07:19] Voice 15: And

[2:07:20] Voice 12: it's tickled by more and more SBBRs.

[2:07:24] Voice 12: And I would say that there's good

[2:07:25] Voice 15: arguments to be had that it's offset

[2:07:36] Voice 15: by the cabinet arguments.

[2:07:40] Voice 15: Do you think it could potentially be used to help in the

[2:07:48] Voice 12: community contributing?

[2:07:50] Voice 12: I

[2:07:53] Voice 18: used to have an SBBR. I was the very first in there, so I'm not but a little bit out of control.

[2:08:06] Voice 18: I'm not against people who do it within the bylaws, but the secondary suite was supposed

[2:08:12] Voice 18: to help long-term, but now it's being used instead to add more STVR.

[2:08:20] Voice 17: And so this is the other nuance in all of these rules and how they interface with each

[2:08:24] Voice 17: other, so that

[2:08:46] Voice 17: STVR, it was actually, okay, well, then that, for example, but secondary

[2:08:59] Voice 17: suite was intentionally not STVR because we wanted to stay out of it.

[2:09:05] Voice 17: so we think potentially so

[2:09:19] Voice 5: can implement something that if somebody is wanting to do

[2:09:24] Voice 5: a vacation rental that they have to and

[2:09:34] Voice 17: that's where you're going to help them

[2:09:39] Voice 18: and

[2:09:45] Voice 17: how do you stop the cascade of bringing in more houses which allows the population to not

[2:09:57] Voice 17: be in such a housing crisis but it's also going to bring more people

[2:10:00] Voice 5: from outside more businesses

[2:10:02] Voice 5: are going to pop up then those businesses are going to be short of people so then you're going

[2:10:07] Voice 5: to need more housing and like it's just kind of a never-ending more people to the island

[2:10:12] Voice 5: it becomes

[2:10:16] Voice 2: the question of do do the islands need to grow yeah like it like really do

[2:10:22] Voice 2: do the gulf do

[2:10:24] Voice 2: the gulf islands need to grow bigger than than they are like are they starting

[2:10:28] Voice 2: going to reach a capacity limit for what

[2:10:33] Voice 18: really is is

[2:10:34] Voice 2: there you know

[2:10:46] Voice 17: david's going to help make sure that everybody gets there

[2:10:52] Voice 14: that's why i'm really pleased to see the island's trust doing a few things regionally because

[2:11:00] Voice 14: because really when you look at the whole history

[2:11:03] Voice 14: and all the LCPs and the local trust committees,

[2:11:06] Voice 14: it's been very localised,

[2:11:08] Voice 14: and that's why we have an average of differences

[2:11:11] Voice 14: that reflected people's views at the time, presumably,

[2:11:16] Voice 14: and now we're trying to get some economies

[2:11:18] Voice 14: or trying to get some housing where it's needed

[2:11:22] Voice 14: through regional initiatives, so that's great.

[2:11:26] Voice 14: If you look at the first two things going on,

[2:11:28] Voice 14: Number one, it's updating and using the available data.

[2:11:32] Voice 14: So those overlay maps and so on are important.

[2:11:35] Voice 14: So you've got to find, where's the lab?

[2:11:39] Voice 14: And I'll come back to that one.

[2:11:43] Voice 14: If you're actually got a goal of trying to produce

[2:11:46] Voice 14: more affordable housing, say that's the goal,

[2:11:51] Voice 14: you've got to have some land, and it's got to have water.

[2:11:55] Voice 14: So the next thing is, if you look at the number

[2:11:59] Voice 14: of temporary use permits that have been issued to legalize short-term vacation

[2:12:06] Voice 14: and it's probably what about 15, 16, 12, so it's a very

[2:12:12] Voice 1: small number, so

[2:12:13] Voice 14: then there's all this other activity which is not pretty much, how big actually is that activity, so again it's to some degree a beta question, how does it actually get

[2:12:31] Voice 14: you more housing so if you look at some of those some of the places down there somebody was kind

[2:12:40] Voice 14: enough to donate land and then they bring old houses in victoria and they have people volunteering

[2:12:48] Voice 14: their time and subsidizing the creation of housing so i think we've got to really focus on some of

[2:12:58] Voice 14: the economics and the economics are the land prices have gone up so nothing's going to be

[2:13:05] Voice 14: the construction costs have gone up um your insurance costs have gone up quite dramatically

[2:13:13] Voice 14: to to to do that i think it's great to have all these tools um but actually to get housing in the

[2:13:23] Voice 14: right place for the right people but you're going to have to have a non-profit society for instance

[2:13:30] Voice 14: so who's going to run that

[2:13:32] Voice 14: and create the society or whatever so there's certain islands that have

[2:13:39] Voice 14: dedicated groups of people who are actually willing to spend the time working on this and

[2:13:44] Voice 14: are organized enough to unless you

[2:13:47] Voice 14: have grassroots people working in community to actually drive this

[2:13:55] Voice 14: around that goal rather than saving the tree or saving an eagle's nest or whatever you're not

[2:14:01] Voice 14: going to you're not going to get it because the market forces are not supporting that the market

[2:14:06] Voice 14: forces are people wanting to dig bigger bigger homes and all the rest of it absolutely and so

[2:14:15] Voice 14: We really need a reality check, I think it's easy to get bogged down in definitions and

[2:14:22] Voice 14: tools and I'm all for that because I'm kind of a policy kind of 1.7 and many of these

[2:14:28] Voice 14: people know that, but really we've got to get really practical if we're going to produce

[2:14:34] Voice 14: anything except just keep spinning our wheels.

[2:14:37] Voice 16: Absolutely and what you have to your advantage is that being a couple of steps ahead of you

[2:14:41] Voice 16: and one of the things that Maine is going to be focusing on is this

[2:14:45] Voice 16: increasing opportunities for non-profit housing and that includes looking at zoning

[2:14:50] Voice 16: and subdivision and enabling it to be easier to donate land so we're

[2:15:00] Voice 16: going to be looking at the subdivision of regulations and making it easier if

[2:15:07] Voice 16: somebody wants to just donate them and um we've initiated a conversation with habitat for humanity

[2:15:13] Voice 16: they've been on the

[2:15:14] Voice 16: island they're interested in building housing on the gulf islands um which

[2:15:21] Voice 16: could be named pender but i think you've nailed it right there like unless you've got that you need

[2:15:28] Voice 16: somebody to build it you need

[2:15:29] Voice 16: something to build it finance it you may discover that it's not only

[2:15:33] Voice 14: putting it in the ground. So I've looked at the numbers in Victoria and so on. The average affordable rent for say the single mother is around 900 bucks. So if the going rate is 1800 for a small unit, then that unit

[2:15:50] Voice 14: in perpetuity is going to be subsidized 50%. So it's

[2:15:55] Voice 14: actually subsidized rent as well as the affordability of the unit.

[2:16:01] Voice 14: in it.

[2:16:02] Voice 6: It's not just

[2:16:03] Voice 14: build it and they will come, you know, and then you put a covenant

[2:16:08] Voice 14: on it that you can't sell it or whatever. It's really complicated. But unless you have

[2:16:14] Voice 14: really organized people who are willing to put years into producing anything on the ground,

[2:16:20] Voice 14: even with trustees and some local governments that are trying to support that, it's very,

[2:16:27] Voice 14: Absolutely, yeah.

[2:16:29] Voice 16: The teacher domain I think is very excellent.

[2:16:40] Voice 16: The house that we moved over was just on the school board

[2:16:44] Voice 6: property for years

[2:16:44] Voice 16: and they managed

[2:16:47] Voice 16: to get the community involved, all of their trades people, you know, plus all the families,

[2:16:54] Voice 16: everybody in the community.

[2:16:55] Voice 16: They raised $80,000, the entire project cost, and they now have a completed home for their

[2:17:02] Voice 16: new principal.

[2:17:04] Voice 16: And I believe the rent is something like $1,200 a month or something like that, right?

[2:17:08] Voice 16: Very impressive, but that land was not zoned for residential, so we had to change zoning on that.

[2:17:14] Voice 16: And I think part of the main project will be looking at where are there other opportunities to change zoning where you might be able to get that kind of advantage.

[2:17:24] Voice 16: For example, Hornby Island redid their fire hall when they were talking about housing, but re-zoning takes a long time to do.

[2:17:36] Voice 16: So, they didn't have that time with the grant that they had, but if you can do that ahead

[2:17:42] Voice 16: of time, you anticipate the opportunity to

[2:17:45] Voice 12: build that housing, if you make sure there's

[2:17:50] Voice 12: a residential opportunity, then when you get that big funding, you should do that infrastructure.

[2:17:55] Voice 14: And then, on funding, it's not out of us from senior levels of government.

[2:18:00] Voice 14: So, it's a community priority, and I've got nothing against walking paths or bicycle paths

[2:18:07] Voice 14: something else but if the community identifies that it's number one thing is putting in a

[2:18:13] Voice 14: pathway or something for half a million or a million like they've done on name

[2:18:19] Voice 14: that potentially takes away from

[2:18:21] Voice 6: the four million

[2:18:22] Voice 14: investment in now it's a competitive environment

[2:18:27] Voice 14: they look at where senior money is going yeah well i

[2:18:32] Voice 16: mean in that case that money was in the

[2:18:35] Voice 16: the pot. So it's not, you

[2:18:38] Voice 14: can't move it over in the same way, but it's where a small community

[2:18:44] Voice 14: focuses its energy.

[2:18:48] Voice 17: And so you're talking about the number of people on the ground who are helping.

[2:18:54] Voice 14: Let

[2:18:54] Voice 16: me just wrap up and then we can have further conversation, but I just wanted to point out

[2:18:58] Voice 16: that you can see that Maine and Devon, like some of their goals are very similar, and

[2:19:03] Voice 16: some of them are different, and part of that

[2:19:06] Voice 16: is because they come from different places,

[2:19:08] Voice 16: so we had made already thinking of the community in the rear that they're having a vacancy and very

[2:19:14] Voice 16: very specific things and just and they're not they can't necessarily be addressed even adjust

[2:19:21] Voice 16: through the work of the lpc but we have them in a plan with some extra actions so that they can

[2:19:30] Voice 16: actually be addressed and if you go through that this is what this is what we want to kind of get

[2:19:35] Voice 16: to. So this is the implementation of Maine and Denman. So each one of those goals has

[2:20:00] Voice 16: a series of actions associated with them and related objectives. So the environmental stuff

[2:20:15] Voice 16: That's all the assistance for all new builds.

[2:20:22] Voice 16: Everything that's been created.

[2:20:24] Voice 16: So all of

[2:20:25] Voice 16: that stuff is just, it's all,

[2:20:26] Voice 16: and you need to put that all on your model.

[2:20:28] Voice 16: So this is basically a checklist.

[2:20:31] Voice 16: So that's where you want to get to, right?

[2:20:33] Voice 16: Identify what your goals for your community are,

[2:20:35] Voice 16: what your objectives are,

[2:20:36] Voice 16: and then you identify the actions to get to those,

[2:20:39] Voice 16: and then you put them in this checklist

[2:20:41] Voice 16: and get them done.

[2:20:43] Voice 16: It's kind of the plan.

[2:20:45] Voice 16: We'll see how fast you can get them done.

[2:20:52] Voice 16: So again, just to talk,

[2:20:53] Voice 16: This is the one little project that we did on Main Island where we were calling it flexible housing and that's where the key interest for the trustees at this time was to enable more small units, but not have a larger impact.

[2:21:18] Voice 16: cost so we came up with this flexible housing which basically allows a certain

[2:21:24] Voice 16: number of units within a maximum floor area so on smaller smaller lots here for

[2:21:32] Voice 16: example you've got a smaller lot so you've got the potential to have

[2:21:38] Voice 16: secondary suite two smaller units within a maximum floor area so instead of having one big

[2:21:45] Voice 16: whatever 10,000 square foot home or whatever, 6,000 square foot home, you could have, you know,

[2:21:52] Voice 16: a couple of 2,000 square foot homes and 500 square foot homes,

[2:21:57] Voice 1: and these little

[2:21:57] Voice 16: things here are your cisterns.

[2:22:01] Voice 16: So that by-law change also included the requirement for cisterns for all of those

[2:22:16] Voice 16: So

[2:22:16] Voice 1: that's just an example

[2:22:18] Voice 16: of one approach, and that's something you could adopt here,

[2:22:21] Voice 16: or you could do it a bit differently.

[2:22:22] Voice 16: Everyone everywhere will have their own way of doing things.

[2:22:26] Voice 16: One of the things that's still in my mind is when we were talking about housing before,

[2:22:31] Voice 16: when I was here on North Tender, there was a woman who owned a property in Magic Lake,

[2:22:37] Voice 16: and she was saying that she owned a property in Magic Lake, she was renting her house out

[2:22:42] Voice 16: to a young family she's got a trailer that she does it's on her friend's property her friend's

[2:22:49] Voice 16: selling the property she would really like to just put it onto her property and that's click

[2:22:54] Voice 16: but she's not allowed because you're allowed a secondary suite on that in magic but you're not

[2:22:58] Voice 16: allowed to have an accessory going so that would be something that would be very sort of under

[2:23:04] Voice 16: specific right a secondary suite or an accessory to a filming there you're not increasing the

[2:23:11] Voice 16: density of permissions at all if you did something like that or maybe you want both

[2:23:17] Voice 18: well

[2:23:19] Voice 16: if you if you are so secondary or oh okay if you wanted to increase

[2:23:51] Voice 17: potential density

[2:24:06] Voice 17: versus

[2:24:11] Voice 16: what there is is very different and honestly like what you i'm

[2:24:24] Voice 17: concerned about that

[2:24:25] Voice 17: right now if we fully build out at the moment is the water system and the same for the rest

[2:24:39] Voice 17: of the system i'll

[2:24:48] Voice 10: just point out a little typo there it

[2:24:50] Voice 12: should be three thousand

[2:24:51] Voice 10: one

[2:25:27] Voice 17: person owns property therefore one person owns the liability of the cistern management

[2:25:33] Voice 17: right because cistern management if you go to a co-owned like a and that's this is where

[2:25:41] Voice 17: housing society potentially because and that matters from the husband of the single occupancy

[2:26:15] Voice 17: So

[2:26:15] Voice 16: the way that that's where

[2:26:21] Voice 18: the offset

[2:26:28] Voice 16: to the garden.

[2:26:33] Voice 16: But

[2:26:34] Voice 5: it would be more for like water for washing toilets and things like that.

[2:26:40] Voice 16: If you wanted to set up this one, but it's sort of regarded.

[2:26:47] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:26:48] Voice 16: Instead of pulling it out from the, as soon as you start to, as soon as it becomes infiltrated.

[2:27:01] Voice 15: The

[2:27:02] Voice 12: challenge of using it for gray water is

[2:27:04] Voice 15: that you then need to essentially.

[2:27:08] Voice 15: So

[2:27:08] Voice 18: it becomes cost prohibitive.

[2:27:28] Voice 6: So

[2:27:33] Voice 15: just focusing on North Pender, so thank you, North is really involved at the regional

[2:27:38] Voice 15: level, developing a lot of these tools, communities all across the trust area, so super knowledgeable.

[2:27:46] Voice 15: I need to speak a little bit to where we're at with North Pender, so obviously housing

[2:27:50] Voice 1: Housing

[2:27:50] Voice 15: access and affordability is a

[2:27:52] Voice 15: priority for your LTC and all levels of government

[2:27:55] Voice 15: around it that's going on across Canada and across the world, really, on trying to address

[2:28:01] Voice 15: housing shortages.

[2:28:03] Voice 15: I think

[2:28:03] Voice 1: housing shortages are not only a lack of housing, but a

[2:28:06] Voice 15: lack of suitable housing

[2:28:07] Voice 15: and a lack of affordable housing.

[2:28:10] Voice 15: All of those things play in.

[2:28:13] Voice 15: The housing strategy by the CRD concludes

[2:28:16] Voice 1: that housing shortages impact all aspects

[2:28:18] Voice 1: or other

[2:28:19] Voice 15: aspects of community life such as school enrollment,

[2:28:21] Voice 15: volunteers and stability for employment, et cetera.

[2:28:23] Voice 15: So a lot of impacts caused by challenges with housing.

[2:28:29] Voice 15: Previous local trust committees have taken actions

[2:28:31] Voice 15: on tender islands.

[2:28:33] Voice 15: So you do have secondary suite provisions,

[2:28:35] Voice 15: although they're not taken up probably as much

[2:28:38] Voice 15: as they could be potentially to support housing.

[2:28:43] Voice 15: And they've also made efforts to limit

[2:28:45] Voice 15: and regulate short-term vacation rentals

[2:28:47] Voice 15: to try to increase some of those units for housing stock.

[2:28:51] Voice 15: The current

[2:28:52] Voice 14: local trust committee

[2:28:53] Voice 14: has also

[2:28:54] Voice 15: acted on opportunities that have come to them.

[2:28:56] Voice 15: So they've re-zoned the Plum Tree Court

[2:28:58] Voice 15: to permit multi-family dwellings

[2:29:00] Voice 15: and they worked for that as quickly as possible.

[2:29:03] Voice 15: And the applicants got their application fee refunded

[2:29:07] Voice 15: as well by the trust for that

[2:29:09] Voice 15: non-profit agency.

[2:29:12] Voice 15: Did not have to pay for going through that process.

[2:29:15] Voice 15: and in two weeks they're considering a temporary use permit application for the fire hall to establish emergency service work accommodations.

[2:29:24] Voice 15: So your trustees are trying to take up opportunities when they rise.

[2:29:32] Voice 15: So just to talk a little bit more about the North Cavendish Housing Profile and just to find out a few key things here.

[2:29:41] Voice 15: So you have 170 households to rent on your island out of a total number of housings of

[2:29:47] Voice 15: 1,261.

[2:29:49] Voice 15: Just some key statistics here, so out of all of your households, so it's considered 30%

[2:29:58] Voice 15: of your income is...

[2:30:00] Voice 15: considered the threshold of affordability that's a standard that's used internationally as well as

[2:30:06] Voice 15: federally here in canada to as a kind of a key indicator of whether uh your your uh your housing

[2:30:13] Voice 15: costs are affordable if it's greater than 30 and it's considered unaffordable so

[2:30:18] Voice 16: 16 of your

[2:30:19] Voice 16: households

[2:30:20] Voice 15: here on north bender are both are in an unaffordable category with respect to income

[2:30:27] Voice 15: from threshold and that jumps to 34.3 percent when you talk about your rental so one in three renters

[2:30:34] Voice 15: essentially can't afford the rent across all of your households substandard housing so housing

[2:30:41] Voice 15: that is there but is not safe or not adequate for that family about 12 percent and households

[2:30:53] Voice 15: in core housing need core housing need is where you have it's a two two card indicator where you

[2:30:58] Voice 15: have substandard housing and you have and you have someone living there that doesn't have the ability

[2:31:02] Voice 15: to afford different housing even if it was available and so almost one in ten people on

[2:31:09] Voice 15: your island are in that situation where they're living in

[2:31:13] Voice 15: substandard housing and even if it was

[2:31:15] Voice 15: available next door they couldn't afford to move it better just to talk about some of your ocp

[2:31:27] Voice 15: provisions so the ocp is a document that lays out communities long-term vision and strategy for

[2:31:33] Voice 15: guiding future planning and land use it's required by the local government act to describe the

[2:31:38] Voice 15: approximate location amount type and density of residential development required to meet

[2:31:43] Voice 15: and to anticipate it housing needs so the the provincial statute actually requires that all

[2:31:50] Voice 15: ocps consider housing is important when we talk about what is the role of the trust

[2:31:56] Voice 15: and whether this is part of our mandate or not with respect to preserve and protect

[2:32:02] Voice 15: This maybe could be an argument that it is, because it's in your OCP and you need to consider it.

[2:32:11] Voice 15: Residential

[2:32:11] Voice 6: land use objective

[2:32:12] Voice 15: that you include is to provide for a

[2:32:14] Voice 6: range of housing options

[2:32:15] Voice 14: that serve the needs of all residents and property

[2:32:17] Voice 15: owners of North Tender Island.

[2:32:18] Voice 15: I think it's fair to say that that range of options isn't there right now, not for everyone anyways.

[2:32:24] Voice 15: And so that is why you're working to try to realize that objective.

[2:32:29] Voice 15: objective. You do have some

[2:32:33] Voice 15: associated policies under this objective. So you do, it does allow

[2:32:39] Voice 15: for applications to rezone land in residential destinations to a higher density for seniors

[2:32:44] Voice 15: in affordable housing. There is a definition of affordable housing which typically includes

[2:32:52] Voice 15: non-profits.

[2:32:54] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:32:55] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:32:55] Voice 15: Yeah, it's fair to say.

[2:32:57] Voice 15: And then there's also accessory housing options

[2:33:00] Voice 15: such as secondary suites may be permitted

[2:33:02] Voice 15: as a way to increase the stock of rental housing.

[2:33:05] Voice 15: You do have secondary suites.

[2:33:07] Voice 15: And I think the point that was being made earlier

[2:33:10] Voice 15: around what you could potentially look at going forward

[2:33:14] Voice 15: is the forming character of those secondary suites.

[2:33:19] Voice 15: Do they need to be in that house

[2:33:21] Voice 15: or could you have a secondary suite provision

[2:33:24] Voice 15: or a type of a region that would allow for an accessory dwelling unit on property that isn't contained in the house

[2:33:31] Voice 15: Similar to what you could have in the secondary school

[2:33:34] Voice 15: And you do have a long list of affordable housing specific policies in the OCP as well

[2:33:43] Voice 15: Some of the key policies so the local trust committee will encourage multi-family rental dwellings that are limited to residential rent tenure

[2:33:52] Voice 15: Rezoning applications may be considered clustered detached dwelling duplexes, so a number of

[2:33:57] Voice 15: different forms of character that can be applied.

[2:34:02] Voice 15: This is something, and so you have your plummetry court non-profit society and there's no real

[2:34:10] Voice 15: other housing society non-tender.

[2:34:14] Voice 14: There's no other non-tender, there's no

[2:34:16] Voice 15: property on there.

[2:34:17] Voice 15: There's

[2:34:18] Voice 18: only plummetry in this

[2:34:20] Voice 15: particular island's housing.

[2:34:21] Voice 15: What quite often happens is that the society forms a non-tender.

[2:34:25] Voice 15: to create so in galliano uh my last term where i was kind of on galliano two

[2:34:32] Voice 2: different societies

[2:34:33] Voice 15: were created and they've then uh worked through the process of rezoning lands and one of the

[2:34:40] Voice 15: projects is it's funded now so galliano

[2:34:43] Voice 15: has been important

[2:34:44] Voice 14: for 20 units for a while i was in

[2:34:46] Voice 14: project i

[2:34:46] Voice 18: don't have more than one affordable project they do they

[2:34:51] Voice 18: have they have far less

[2:34:53] Voice 18: population so

[2:34:55] Voice 15: so so all galliano

[2:34:57] Voice 15: has is the the seniors housing they don't actually have any other

[2:35:01] Voice 15: affordable housing units uh certainly not run by nonprofits but they do have the church

[2:35:08] Voice 18: at one

[2:35:09] Voice 18: one point piece of land but it was it was discussed that pender island housing would run it

[2:35:18] Voice 15: now well now now they have two societies that i think would have the capacity to

[2:35:24] Voice 15: to like as you were saying not only build but also maintain and run that and they have funding

[2:35:30] Voice 15: from bc housing to build 20 units so uh we'll get to some of the key questions but i think one of

[2:35:37] Voice 15: the key questions your community is how do you get people more people involved in intro like you

[2:35:42] Voice 15: have five people sitting here even though this is a housing crisis for your community

[2:35:53] Voice 15: everyone knows it's a

[2:35:54] Voice 15: problem but there's only really five people to have to have that

[2:35:59] Voice 15: conversation about it

[2:36:01] Voice 17: but it comes back to your point people are like

[2:36:04] Voice 17: i just took

[2:36:10] Voice 14: i'm almost out

[2:36:10] Voice 15: here now we can jump into a little bit about function but uh

[2:36:13] Voice 15: that. So applications should include a housing agreement that fixes the rent and also can

[2:36:21] Voice 15: also potentially fix who can

[2:36:23] Voice 15: rent and what type of rental that is. So on Galliano with

[2:36:27] Voice 15: both the projects where the rezoning was required, one of the approval steps was the

[2:36:32] Voice 15: entering of a section 219 covenant and a housing agreement that is between the local

[2:36:37] Voice 15: trust media and housing operator which essentially fixes rates uh consistent with what a pc housing

[2:36:45] Voice 15: formula would be and what i would add to your comment around uh rents being subsidized is that

[2:36:53] Voice 15: most of these uh schemes that are being funded for like non-profit housing are uh are mixed schemes

[2:37:01] Voice 15: So you have some units at market rents and other units at the

[2:37:06] Voice 15: De-subsidized rents and other units at a rate geared to the income and you have a blend of those units too

[2:37:12] Voice 15: So that

[2:37:13] Voice 1: the market rent

[2:37:14] Voice 15: units can help at least to offset some of them

[2:37:17] Voice 15: So this is typically a blended

[2:37:20] Voice 15: rental scheme model

[2:37:23] Voice 15: And just really important here

[2:37:27] Voice 15: applications for rezoning must consider adequate quality and quantity so in a lot of our work and

[2:37:34] Voice 15: almost all

[2:37:35] Voice 1: of our work where the rubber really hits the road is whether

[2:37:37] Voice 15: there's enough water

[2:37:38] Voice 15: to use or not and a lot of traffic and all those other issues become fixable or mitigatable but

[2:37:51] Voice 15: if you don't have enough water. So in your land use bylaw you do have secondary street provisions

[2:38:00] Voice 15: maximum of one secondary suite per lot and this is where maybe some flexibility could be

[2:38:05] Voice 15: considered by the local trust committee currently right

[2:38:08] Voice 15: now must be contained entirely within the

[2:38:10] Voice 15: principal building what would it look like if that unit could be outside of the principal

[2:38:14] Voice 15: be a lot more feasible rather than trying to retrofit your house to fit a secondary suite

[2:38:22] Voice 15: maximum of flora of 90 meters squared and must not exceed 40 percent of the principal dwelling

[2:38:27] Voice 15: and all secondary suites are required and you can't have like a strata or a secondary suite by the same owners of family and dwelling.

[2:38:46] Voice 15: You do

[2:38:47] Voice 1: have a community housing zone, this is

[2:38:48] Voice 15: where the Punggye Court sits.

[2:38:51] Voice 15: A multi-family building run by a non-profit society.

[2:38:55] Voice 15: And you

[2:38:56] Voice 18: also have a rental housing zone,

[2:38:57] Voice 15: which I'm just glad that you know of.

[2:39:03] Voice 15: So you do have a rental

[2:39:05] Voice 14: housing zone that

[2:39:06] Voice 15: would allow for multi-family rental dwellings.

[2:39:09] Voice 15: What is that?

[2:39:12] Voice 15: I don't

[2:39:13] Voice 6: think there is any property

[2:39:14] Voice 14: that is actually zoned for it.

[2:39:18] Voice 18: You

[2:39:18] Voice 15: have the zoning ability.

[2:39:36] Voice 15: But this one is

[2:39:39] Voice 15: essentially just an allowance for a for-profit.

[2:39:44] Voice 15: or most of these would focus on i

[2:39:55] Voice 2: wonder if that would have been what was

[2:39:59] Voice 18: well

[2:39:59] Voice 2: or dandano's lot no

[2:40:02] Voice 18: i would say because

[2:40:04] Voice 2: that was supposed to be

[2:40:07] Voice 18: they looked

[2:40:12] Voice 2: they looked at putting a 12 plex at one point you know not i'm not not the driftwood

[2:40:20] Voice 2: the lot that we didn't buy the lot besides the oh

[2:40:26] Voice 18: that was yeah

[2:40:27] Voice 2: and there no but it was

[2:40:29] Voice 2: dave and kathy's lot now yeah great

[2:40:33] Voice 2: so that lot was looked at to have a multi-family

[2:40:40] Voice 2: housing on it they couldn't prove water at the end of the day

[2:40:43] Voice 18: yeah and there was a whole community

[2:40:44] Voice 18: yeah staying at the time and it was all yeah

[2:40:47] Voice 2: before

[2:40:48] Voice 18: before the dungeon no

[2:40:50] Voice 2: no i was just using

[2:40:51] Voice 2: the dandinos as the reference nobody knows

[2:40:54] Voice 2: that carl owned it back then so

[2:40:56] Voice 17: the challenge there

[2:40:57] Voice 17: though i think and this is one of the one so the proof of water challenge that we did is it was

[2:41:12] Voice 17: if you did a multi

[2:41:12] Voice 9: -family residential in

[2:41:14] Voice 17: an area where the only proof of water

[2:41:25] Voice 17: I'm

[2:41:27] Voice 15: not sure, to be honest, if you have a multi-unit development only provided by catchment

[2:41:36] Voice 15: that you would get approval for that.

[2:41:39] Voice 15: Well,

[2:41:40] Voice 17: that we could, so I actually have-

[2:41:42] Voice 15: Regulatory approval by, like, Island Health

[2:41:44] Voice 15: and so on.

[2:41:45] Voice 17: Yes, I have.

[2:41:56] Voice 15: It's still

[2:41:57] Voice 15: a regulation, it's clearly an independent regulatory.

[2:42:02] Voice 16: So for Denman, because Denman is a very good example, they have part of their co-op treatment

[2:42:17] Voice 16: place of response, collect all of their collected water sources, and

[2:42:25] Voice 1: they've all got their own

[2:42:26] Voice 16: rainwater collection.

[2:42:28] Voice 16: And so

[2:42:28] Voice 1: it is very

[2:42:29] Voice 16: perfect how you can, they have a very clear rainwater source, and so

[2:43:00] Voice 16: it would stipulate essentially the legal responsibility of the applicant.

[2:43:14] Voice 16: so

[2:43:14] Voice 18: i would love to get that figured out yeah we're

[2:43:19] Voice 15: just moving into so we've talked about

[2:43:22] Voice 15: the need we've talked about some of your existing uh ocp and that is bylaw provisions and now just

[2:43:28] Voice 15: moving into so the local trust committee has established a housing affordability as a project

[2:43:36] Voice 15: a major project and they did that in may of 2023 a trust council

[2:43:41] Voice 1: has now endorsed the project

[2:43:42] Voice 15: business case which is required for all major projects of local trust

[2:43:46] Voice 15: committees including $15,000 over two years so phase one as we're just

[2:43:53] Voice 15: moving into the start of the project consisting of a consultation or review

[2:43:57] Voice 15: of options and phase two consisting of drafting and reviewing the bylaws going

[2:44:03] Voice 15: through all of that legislative process and implementing it over really just

[2:44:09] Voice 15: at this starting point of phase one,

[2:44:14] Voice 15: starting to engage with the community.

[2:44:18] Voice 15: Some project deliverables,

[2:44:20] Voice 15: we'll engage with First Nations early on

[2:44:23] Voice 15: and throughout the project.

[2:44:25] Voice 15: Development for project charter,

[2:44:26] Voice 15: work plan and communication strategy,

[2:44:28] Voice 15: which will be brought back to the local trust community

[2:44:30] Voice 15: in July for endorsement.

[2:44:33] Voice 15: Housing discussion paper,

[2:44:36] Voice 15: Marissa spoke a little bit too,

[2:44:38] Voice 15: would be a first step just to pull all of

[2:44:40] Voice 15: the information together into a single place an exploration of what file minimum options

[2:44:48] Voice 15: are feasible and implementing notes and then development of a house of action

[2:44:54] Voice 15: we'll

[2:44:55] Voice 14: just

[2:44:58] Voice 18: get through this and we're almost there

[2:45:00] Voice 15: so just a project work plan we don't need

[2:45:03] Voice 15: to go through the details but starting now with the endorsement we're here now with project

[2:45:13] Voice 15: the local trust committee and the plan for today so we're almost wrapped up this part

[2:45:24] Voice 15: uh staff presentation lots of good questions throughout but we can have more questions and

[2:45:31] Voice 15: answers uh we're hoping to do well we're hoping to have a bigger audience

[2:45:35] Voice 15: of course and hoping

[2:45:36] Voice 15: to do some kind of facilitated discussion goals objectives and opportunities uh but maybe we can

[2:45:44] Voice 15: just continue to have this uh this group dialogue do with

[2:45:49] Voice 15: that i think we're hoping to have you know

[2:45:51] Voice 15: 20 people here to do some kind of um we needed

[2:45:56] Voice 2: to well hopes and dreams

[2:45:59] Voice 15: we should

[2:46:00] Voice 6: have

[2:46:04] Voice 2: thrown something inflammatory on the

[2:46:06] Voice 6: agenda just to like get people really worked

[2:46:08] Voice 2: up about something yeah

[2:46:11] Voice 15: that's right

[2:46:15] Voice 6: yeah yeah yeah log it how

[2:46:18] Voice 6: could logging

[2:46:48] Voice 12: They're all from the

[2:46:52] Voice 15: 2021 census, so

[2:46:55] Voice 15: it's the most recent.

[2:47:03] Voice 12: Let's

[2:47:05] Voice 14: say going into this process, it's not all about the numbers, but it would be really good if we had some pretty clear numbers of the number of households, number of people, and

[2:47:19] Voice 1: all that.

[2:47:20] Voice 14: Yeah, I think it's important. And then I've been around this for 30 years. This idea that

[2:47:28] Voice 14: suddenly you crack down on vacation rentals and free up a bunch of rental housing. You

[2:47:34] Voice 14: know, there's a lot of assumptions and a lot of time spent on that one. So at least try

[2:47:40] Voice 14: and get a handle. It might work in Vancouver, but try and work that on Vancouver. It might

[2:47:49] Voice 14: work on in certain urban environments, but if you're going to be realistic, figure out

[2:47:56] Voice 14: how many more units you can actually get from cracking down on illegal, like Asian rental,

[2:48:03] Voice 14: and illegal use of secondary suites for primary trellis for setting up, but you've really

[2:48:09] Voice 14: got to get some kind of statistical handling. And then the whole economics of how you can

[2:48:15] Voice 14: really produce any more housing and the number of years and the number of volunteer hours

[2:48:24] Voice 14: and the society that's going to reduce it because there's very limited options to suddenly

[2:48:31] Voice 14: produce more subsidized housing or whatever and then i think part of it is you really

[2:48:39] Voice 14: well look at land price and construction prices and i mean they're up to 500 600 dollars

[2:48:46] Voice 14: I

[2:48:46] Voice 15: think with land, in reality, it doesn't happen unless you get free land.

[2:48:52] Voice 15: So

[2:48:53] Voice 14: I think it's really important, and I'm not saying cold water,

[2:48:58] Voice 14: I'm just saying that one of these $15,000 project charges is nothing.

[2:49:04] Voice 14: I mean, it's a very, very small amount in terms of any rigorous process and analysis.

[2:49:11] Voice 14: With all the good planners you've got,

[2:49:13] Voice 14: Let me try and get a handle on the numbers and what's realistic and what isn't, because

[2:49:18] Voice 14: we can just spin our wheels, you know, changing this by law, changing that zoning, that actually

[2:49:25] Voice 14: didn't materialize on the ground in terms of what the objective, what

[2:49:29] Voice 14: does the objective

[2:49:31] Voice 14: look like and where's it going to be?

[2:49:34] Voice 2: We're just, this is just land use, right?

[2:49:37] Voice 2: Like we're not going to

[2:49:38] Voice 2: create any housing.

[2:49:39] Voice 2: word that's not our not even our in our in

[2:49:43] Voice 18: our interview yeah but but but you

[2:49:57] Voice 2: have to show me

[2:49:59] Voice 18: one piece of property and one

[2:50:00] Voice 2: person that wants to do that

[2:50:18] Voice 17: Yeah,

[2:50:18] Voice 10: I got it.

[2:50:20] Voice 14: Yeah,

[2:50:21] Voice 10: so Nerissa is next.

[2:50:22] Voice 17: Thank you.

[2:50:24] Voice 16: Yeah, I can speak to that.

[2:50:27] Voice 16: So what we need to be able to do,

[2:50:51] Voice 16: for the fire hall, for example,

[2:50:52] Voice 16: I think it's going to be out.

[2:50:55] Voice 16: When money comes in from senior governments,

[2:50:57] Voice 16: and we've got money for your fire hall,

[2:50:58] Voice 16: and they say, oh, that would be great,

[2:50:59] Voice 16: And then it's not built for housing. That's going to be a two-year process for us for housing. Too bad, we've got to spend money now.

[2:51:20] Voice 16: BC Housing, right now, what they're looking at, providing funding to build those kinds of things. Building a new fire hall, paying half on housing.

[2:51:33] Voice 16: Then the opportunity blocks, creating a school, I mean, they went

[2:51:49] Voice 1: after the fact, but we did.

[2:51:50] Voice 16: And when we did that, Trustee Maud said, on that school property, we could be allowing,

[2:52:03] Voice 16: in fact, where the school is, they have a couple of lots next to them that are zoned

[2:52:09] Voice 16: for community housing.

[2:52:11] Voice 16: So there's an opportunity you've got.

[2:52:13] Voice 16: So this is the thing, it's creating the opportunity for when the money comes in.

[2:52:18] Voice 16: And with your son, Ben and I have a head company in the back, that's where you provide that

[2:52:28] Voice 16: opportunity for them to you know right now we might whatever we might only be able to

[2:52:39] Voice 16: subdivide in the rural zone um so you could allow for profit organization or however we want to say

[2:52:53] Voice 16: it so you could you have to provide that opportunity for as chairman we had a conversation

[2:53:02] Voice 16: earlier for the magic to happen because

[2:53:05] Voice 10: the reality is this is planning like

[2:53:08] Voice 16: it is it's

[2:53:10] Voice 10: like you know like we had a thing very recently in keats island is the the fiber optic cables

[2:53:16] Voice 10: coming down the coast they went to put the keats island they had no zoning for it it was illegal

[2:53:21] Voice 10: and they had to go through a series of emergency actions because the cable was coming and if you

[2:53:26] Voice 10: didn't if you couldn't go to the island they were just going to bypass keats and and a lot of the

[2:53:32] Voice 10: things in housing now is shovel ready that is a keyword with most

[2:53:36] Voice 16: of the grant

[2:53:36] Voice 10: programs so it's

[2:53:37] Voice 10: getting this zoning in place to anticipate the need so we can do what we need to do so in my

[2:53:43] Voice 16: In my volunteer time, I'm very much engaged in a little bit of requirements at the park.

[2:54:06] Voice 16: So in that case, you need to make the land ready.

[2:54:16] Voice 16: That's because we're in an area where we don't have the resources and water,

[2:54:27] Voice 16: conservative impact mandate, it's not about four quarts ahead, put as many people in,

[2:54:32] Voice 16: get as many people living there as you can kind of circumstance.

[2:54:35] Voice 16: sense but that's where the onus is on on each lpc to identify what what is it that you need and and

[2:54:44] Voice 16: to do a very similar thing in a way right you're just preparing you're just providing that that

[2:54:49] Voice 16: opportunity where it's suitable right so but the math is to say like not smart to put it here um

[2:55:01] Voice 16: but you've got a lot of other states where you could be increasing that destiny so um this is

[2:55:07] this

[2:55:07] Voice 16: is the opportunity for the opportunity to basically create you know create that option and

[2:55:12] Voice 16: then you know if crd somehow gets the money to fund their rural housing project which includes

[2:55:19] Voice 16: subsidizing the development of um accessory value and spend you know we've got the

[2:55:26] Voice 16: zones in place to allow that to happen so yeah housing might not get built for years but when

[2:55:32] when

[2:55:32] Voice 16: the opportunity comes, it's only going to be two years before you take advantage of that opportunity.

[2:55:36] Voice 16: Or the opportunity might disappear before you take advantage of it, before you've done the areas you've been in.

[2:55:43] Voice 6: Go ahead.

[2:55:45] Voice 18: You may have already been saying it in that way, but I mean your toolkit is fantastic,

[2:55:51] Voice 18: but a lot of that has nothing to do with non-profit societies.

[2:55:56] Voice 18: They're full of very wealthy, incredibly intelligent people volunteering on these societies

[2:56:02] Voice 18: and they could get a project built like that again.

[2:56:08] Voice 18: In the last land you brought, building, rezoning when it's done,

[2:56:19] Voice 18: in this housing project, could you not,

[2:56:22] Voice 18: could that not be the focus of the trust?

[2:56:24] Voice 18: Just go through and identify the properties

[2:56:26] Voice 18: to the existing efficiency.

[2:56:31] Voice 18: If somebody with a lot of money two years from now says

[2:56:36] Voice 18: they still have to go through and

[2:57:11] Voice 16: look at the house,

[2:57:14] Voice 16: that's an ideal place to go.

[2:57:15] Voice 16: So that, you know, probably

[2:57:18] Voice 18: does after sale.

[2:57:19] Voice 18: Yeah, so it's a

[2:57:20] Voice 16: whole other period when

[2:57:21] Voice 18: that's a part of that as well.

[2:57:22] Voice 16: Yeah, so this is where it doesn't have the right zoning,

[2:57:24] Voice 16: and that would be a two-year process.

[2:57:26] Voice 16: Well, that would be part of it too.

[2:57:43] Voice 10: So, Planner Smith.

[2:57:44] Voice 15: I just want to speak, like, to walk through what you're saying.

[2:57:47] Voice 15: So this affordable housing policy in here,

[2:57:50] Voice 15: just as an

[2:57:51] Voice 15: example of how they play.

[2:57:56] Voice 15: So this

[2:57:57] Voice 1: allows the creation of additional fee simple law

[2:58:00] Voice 1: so

[2:58:08] Voice 15: you

[2:58:09] Voice 1: go to property owners

[2:58:11] Voice 15: and seek out a

[2:58:13] Voice 15: donation of a land,

[2:58:14] Voice 1: which is typically

[2:58:14] Voice 15: how affordable housing gets built,

[2:58:17] Voice 15: is on free land, on Galliano.

[2:58:23] Voice 15: So if you could apply a policy like that, using the land suitability analysis

[2:58:32] Voice 15: to identify where appropriate to incentivize somehow to allow that to occur,

[2:58:47] Voice 15: then through this process you can create that lot and have the zoning on that lot

[2:58:53] Voice 15: lot so that at least you have the zoning and the lot housing

[2:59:01] Voice 15: when we meet with them they want the

[2:59:12] Voice 15: proper zoning in place and they want water those are the key elements that BC housing uses to

[2:59:21] Voice 15: determine if you get all three of them in place then they're kind of shovel ready and so so can

[2:59:31] Voice 15: we help through this project to get projects more shovel ready would you

[2:59:39] Voice 18: identify properties that's

[2:59:42] Voice 18: I mean,

[2:59:42] Voice 18: like, can we

[2:59:43] Voice 15: use, here's our land suitable analysis, here are areas that are suitable, okay, well,

[2:59:50] Voice 15: within there, what are the big lots that may be a lot, and then

[2:59:54] Voice 15: maybe, and

[2:59:56] Voice 6: what I could see is that, and what I think starts to happen is that,

[3:00:00] Voice 15: You start to get a sight and a vision in place and a location and a twible, then you start to get people interested in volunteering to become a society to realize that.

[3:00:12] Voice 15: So on Galliano,

[3:00:13] Voice 15: those pieces of land have been sitting here for a long time, and it's taken time

[3:00:17] Voice 15: for a society to have enough capacity to work through the process.

[3:00:23] Voice 16: So there's elements beyond the zoning at a community level to think about, and one of

[3:00:29] Voice 16: these is creating a line of trust, like who's going to hold this land?

[3:00:34] Voice 16: You've got a non-profit already, a housing non-profit, maybe it's you guys.

[3:00:37] Voice 16: You

[3:00:38] Voice 1: know what I mean?

[3:00:38] Voice 1: So there are some

[3:00:39] Voice 16: community aspects to think about as well, and that's something that we're

[3:00:42] Voice 16: going to have a discussion on main about.

[3:00:45] Voice 16: Denman has one.

[3:00:46] Voice 16: um so so this you know this will open up the opportunity for there's

[3:00:53] Voice 18: a lot of discussion

[3:00:53] Voice 18: on the forum about what is the trust doing getting involved in housing anyway and i mean

[3:00:59] Voice 18: so i don't want i i and i i understand where they're coming from um but the trusts well if

[3:01:10] Voice 18: you think about

[3:01:11] Voice 15: it there's an advocacy role as well compelling other levels of government to do

[3:01:19] Voice 16: and think about what planning is right planning is about where people and the things that support

[3:01:27] Voice 16: the people go onto the land and that is the first piece of that is housing right and servicing all

[3:01:35] Voice 16: that kind of thing so um we don't want to get into the business we're not mandated that our

[3:01:43] Voice 16: Our policy doesn't allow us to build.

[3:01:47] Voice 16: We don't even provide services, right?

[3:01:49] Voice 16: We're very unique in local government.

[3:01:52] Voice 16: Not that we have to.

[3:01:52] Voice 16: We

[3:01:53] Voice 15: provide only the land use planning service.

[3:01:55] Voice 15: There's

[3:01:55] Voice 16: only the land use planning.

[3:01:57] Voice 16: So we're not, there's no risk.

[3:01:59] Voice 16: And we are overwhelmed with the work that we do.

[3:02:02] Voice 18: So there's no risk to us.

[3:02:04] Voice 18: The unique amenities, the long huskies,

[3:02:06] Voice 18: all

[3:02:07] Voice 15: that, all the padding.

[3:02:09] Voice 15: I'd say there's two good arguments,

[3:02:11] Voice 15: but then I think you could also point

[3:02:12] Voice 15: to your key documents and there are housing provision so to to have an ocp full of affordable

[3:02:22] Voice 15: housing contrary to uh the island's trust having no role the

[3:02:31] Voice 10: trustee morris um okay

[3:02:35] Voice 17: so i'm going to keep this one so one is this one yeah so the key stats that you have there

[3:02:55] Voice 17: I guess I have a couple of questions related to mandate, non-mandate, where are we in that

[3:03:03] Voice 17: role?

[3:03:07] Voice 17: So as we look at these key statistics, the descriptions of those, like what they mean

[3:03:14] Voice 17: and how they're calculated relative to the numbers, and I don't want the answers right

[3:03:18] Voice 17: now, just to be clear.

[3:03:19] Voice 17: This

[3:03:20] Voice 15: is my language, to be clear.

[3:03:22] Voice 15: These are just my interpretations.

[3:03:26] Voice 17: So what I mean in our housing communications is I like those statistics, it would be helpful

[3:03:36] Voice 17: if we understand what is in your head about how you mean them and where they come from.

[3:03:44] Voice 17: So

[3:03:44] Voice 11: yeah, and I totally don't

[3:03:49] Voice 17: want the something I could hand to people and say this is what's

[3:03:54] Voice 17: the picture and this is what it all is, so that they can, because I actually would like

[3:04:00] Voice 17: to I would personally like I would like to have those for every LTC so when I go

[3:04:11] Voice 17: and argue money with different projects with other trustees and other islands

[3:04:15] Voice 17: they can be like actually it's all spring you might be able to haul that but we

[3:04:18] Voice 17: actually have a bigger price so that's awesome I love this data and I would

[3:04:28] Voice 17: love to be able to provide a communications kind of data to the mandate

[3:04:35] Voice 17: non-mandate and also the CRD related strategy like I don't know how we are

[3:04:39] Voice 17: coordinating with them i'm sure you all are but that's kind of opaque to the rest of us so it

[3:04:45] Voice 17: would be really good if we had a way for the crd and the island trust oh yeah because the crd is

[3:04:57] Voice 17: really frankly responsible for the building or the financing components of getting housing projects

[3:05:03] Voice 17: off the ground

[3:05:03] Voice 6: and

[3:05:04] Voice 17: we're responsible for making sure we're not away and and that and from a

[3:05:08] Voice 17: housing perspective that that the distribution of that housing across the landscape protects

[3:05:14] Voice 17: the environment and meets our rural character so i'm hearing a little bit of housing and i

[3:05:20] Voice 17: hear it all the time in crd conversations of higher density housing what that means for us

[3:05:27] Voice 17: as a community is hopefully for this housing project right so because i don't know that

[3:05:33] Voice 17: there's very many people that want anything in built and that's not a fiscally awesome thing

[3:05:45] Voice 17: um so there's a balance yeah so

[3:05:47] Voice 17: the

[3:05:48] Voice 16: person who is responsible for the uh the cib's um housing

[3:05:57] Voice 16: housing profile and housing strategy is just going to start who works for the animal

[3:06:02] Voice 16: stuff whoever owns property on a gulf island yeah so she gets it and if you look at that

[3:06:07] Voice 16: If you look at the strategy, you'll see that she gets it, you know, because she's

[3:06:12] Voice 16: She's

[3:06:13] Voice 18: talking to people.

[3:06:16] Voice 18: Well,

[3:06:17] Voice 16: not all of us do.

[3:06:18] Voice 16: Well, that's the thing.

[3:06:20] Voice 16: You're not going to agree with the CRD strategy, right?

[3:06:24] Voice 16: Necessarily, right?

[3:06:25] Voice 16: Because, again, but

[3:06:29] Voice 16: This is on the

[3:06:41] Voice 18: younger aspect, which has a lot of landlords

[3:06:55] Voice 18: So, I mean, all these bylaw changes about secondary speed, I don't,

[3:07:03] Voice 1: I agree, I don't

[3:07:04] Voice 18: think anybody's going to become a landlord population.

[3:07:28] Voice 18: Have more.

[3:07:29] Voice 18: It's

[3:07:33] Voice 15: surprising to me to know that a community of your size doesn't have a society that

[3:07:37] Voice 15: won't use.

[3:07:39] Voice 15: You do,

[3:07:40] Voice 15: but it's mostly the plumber's report, right?

[3:07:42] Voice 18: Well, it is.

[3:07:43] Voice 18: That's all it is, because it's the only piece of property on the whole island.

[3:07:46] Voice 18: but

[3:07:46] Voice 15: they are not actually looking to oh

[3:07:49] Voice 18: they have yes they are they're

[3:07:51] Voice 15: a property but i mean

[3:08:01] Voice 18: yeah so it's not

[3:08:02] Voice 15: this and so is it then that there's just not another location

[3:08:06] Voice 15: yeah and the body's library yeah

[3:08:08] Voice 18: okay this

[3:08:26] Voice 17: is

[3:08:35] Voice 16: great this is not so great like we we have the

[3:08:39] Voice 16: data map but in the last term when property

[3:08:46] Voice 18: it wasn't it that was um but it was explained

[3:08:57] Voice 18: like Tejima, but that was because it was within a project.

[3:09:04] Voice 18: So, I mean, yeah.

[3:09:05] Voice 18: Well,

[3:09:05] Voice 16: I realize that a lot of the time.

[3:09:07] Voice 16: It's the opportunity.

[3:09:08] Voice 16: This is all, and we could just add that

[3:09:16] Voice 18: out too, yeah.

[3:09:18] Voice 18: So

[3:09:18] Voice 15: you don't have

[3:09:18] Voice 18: to go to the community to open it up.

[3:09:21] Voice 15: You do, because you have community dialogue still,

[3:09:24] Voice 15: but it's not application specific.

[3:09:27] Voice 6: For

[3:09:28] Voice 15: example, a quick win for accessory housing

[3:09:39] Voice 15: in this project, amend your bylaw to allow permitted use

[3:09:47] Voice 15: on those properties accessory housing and then the zoning is changed in the

[3:09:54] Voice 15: project that's a really

[3:09:55] Voice 15: obvious another obvious

[3:09:57] Voice 15: fix I think is changing the

[3:09:59] Voice 15: form instead of a secondary tree essentially a cottage or some kind of unit or what's that

[3:10:14] Voice 15: a lot of

[3:10:17] Voice 15: secondary suite in that unit that's

[3:10:21] Voice 16: where you might want to think you want to have

[3:10:23] Voice 16: that in mind from all

[3:10:26] Voice 18: those other kinds of things yeah

[3:10:28] Voice 17: so one of the things that it was during the

[3:10:37] Voice 17: landing file actually it was yes it was it was to do with square footage because we put a cap on

[3:10:44] Voice 17: I actually thought of a really good argument which is in this comment now, is can you say, if you have so much square footage, where would we be okay as a community to have X square footage, given your lot, is that okay, what's the pros and cons on that?

[3:11:09] Voice 17: And we could make that a universal change across the landscape, right, or

[3:11:14] Voice 17: we can do it here.

[3:11:18] Voice 16: You can also think about overall lot coverage, so consider that as a detail.

[3:11:36] Voice 16: So you can have X amount of accessory buildings or, you know, how they, you know.

[3:11:45] Voice 1: You can

[3:11:45] Voice 15: also create, you can have

[3:11:48] Voice 15: a secondary suite or, say, a garden suite, like, small.

[3:11:54] Voice 15: If you have a garden suite, it must be screened.

[3:11:57] Voice 15: It must, you know, you could create other provisions and the neighborhood must

[3:12:07] Voice 1: be in the backyard.

[3:12:08] Voice 1: Just like

[3:12:09] Voice 15: Victoria allows, but you can't have it on the side.

[3:12:16] Voice 15: you must have it so you could create and in terms of those ADUs and you could go down the road

[3:12:26] Voice 15: like the section 219 government housing agreement that goes on title for that ADU but it becomes

[3:12:34] Voice 16: more challenging to

[3:12:36] Voice 15: monitor that

[3:12:36] Voice 16: yeah that's what we're actually trying to say it's possible

[3:12:39] Voice 16: The opportunity with the CRD is that they're exploring it, which

[3:13:01] Voice 18: is very challenging.

[3:13:02] Voice 18: What

[3:13:02] Voice 15: they would do is

[3:13:04] Voice 15: they would put on title that they have to use that as a rental in a long-term rental unit.

[3:13:10] Voice 15: And so there would just be

[3:13:11] Voice 15: another layer of regulation that would be to rent it for a year and then just use it as a short-term vacation.

[3:13:30] Voice 15: sure but I guess means that you can pay your mortgage I'm not going

[3:13:38] Voice 6: to say all

[3:13:39] Voice 6: the property owners are gonna but even

[3:13:41] Voice 15: if you get five or ten extra units it starts to uh

[3:13:46] Voice 15: I

[3:13:47] Voice 14: think going into the next round of this because it's just starting

[3:13:51] Voice 14: If we can just try and identify with very narrow focus what's most likely to be the

[3:14:00] Voice 14: result in the objective being met,

[3:14:04] Voice 6: and

[3:14:05] Voice 14: maybe some of these ideas or finding very specific

[3:14:10] Voice 14: lots that the community can appreciate and understand that because it's getting focused.

[3:14:18] Voice 14: it's when we have these planning processes and like there's seven options

[3:14:23] Voice 14: but really only two of them are feasible anyway. We've been through it, we've done that.

[3:14:27] Voice 14: So I think there's enough information and experience elsewhere that we can say

[3:14:33] Voice 14: this is central Ireland, this is the current situation, given the nature of the

[3:14:40] Voice 14: Ireland, the older sea or whatever, these are things that are most likely to produce the

[3:14:46] Voice 14: end result and then we want to have people reigniting the whole stdr enforcement you know

[3:14:54] Voice 14: so you're going to put up so this is somebody who you can you have to put a covenant on your property

[3:15:00] Voice 14: that you'll never rent except long term well that's going to be enforceable so yeah

[3:15:07] Voice 6: That's the

[3:15:08] Voice 16: problem. We can't actually

[3:15:10] Voice 16: do that right now.

[3:15:11] Voice 14: We can't do it.

[3:15:14] Voice 14: That's what I'm saying. There may be some good ideas about it, but they have to be

[3:15:19] Voice 14: in the muscle. So that would be my thought,

[3:15:23] Voice 14: is to, you know, we could discuss them today.

[3:15:28] Voice 14: Just try and get this fairly narrow focus

[3:15:32] Voice 14: that these are the most likely things to succeed here.

[3:15:35] Voice 14: But that's the community.

[3:15:37] Voice 14: We have people and a group that's got experience in this.

[3:15:43] Voice 2: We can talk about it and we can narrow it and we can do all of that.

[3:15:49] Voice 2: It still isn't going to get shit done.

[3:15:52] Voice 2: Because if there isn't a drive within the community to make it happen,

[3:15:58] Voice 2: nothing is ever going to get done.

[3:16:01] Voice 14: I'm hearing behind that there is, if you focus on certain things that would be achievable

[3:16:10] Voice 14: in the trust environment, there may be enough people of good will and good finance to actually

[3:16:19] Voice 14: come in behind it when they see that they're not looking up and even suffering for five

[3:16:24] Voice 14: ideas just to create the conditions. I'm

[3:16:27] Voice 6: saying that there may

[3:16:28] Voice 14: be a paradigm shift here because

[3:16:33] Voice 14: we're doing chicken and egg stuff. Things haven't worked in the past doesn't mean they

[3:16:40] Voice 14: necessarily couldn't work in future. We've got a bigger population than Maine. Maine

[3:16:45] Voice 14: can do it.

[3:16:52] Voice 17: I think the reason why we're struggling to get volunteers behind some of these things

[3:17:01] Voice 17: is because we burn people out because we have not had the simple structures to just make

[3:17:10] Voice 17: this happen.

[3:17:10] Voice 17: I think in terms of specifics around some of the things that we get into these as we unfold this, but some of the projects too, and data that we need a little bit more, some

[3:17:24] Voice 9: of this is not

[3:17:25] Voice 17: actually all about rental because we can free up some of the pressure on our housing stock too.

[3:17:31] Voice 17: I think five people now have talked to me about aging parents that they want to live on an island,

[3:17:40] Voice 17: that they want to move on to their property, but they don't want to live in their same building.

[3:17:44] Voice 17: Totally understand that.

[3:17:46] Voice 17: So like one of the challenges we have is if you are able to split square footage density into two density units, right?

[3:17:57] Voice 17: so it's the same amount of overall square footage water pressure powder pressure whatever because

[3:18:02] Voice 17: you can just shove them right now into your house they'll be there right but if you can split it

[3:18:07] Voice 17: into like two different buildings what that may do is allow for um you know and it's a little bit it

[3:18:16] Voice 17: allows for living on property but it's different from what you just said and i want to think about

[3:18:22] Voice 9: it as we

[3:18:23] Voice 17: go forward in regulation because it's designated rental and or associated family because

[3:18:31] Voice 17: like we're not in that situation we wouldn't be renting it you know they're just family yeah and

[3:18:37] Voice 16: those are all the things that need to be looked at right and the way that you you uh um drop the

[3:18:42] Voice 16: lit regularly yeah the importance of the community and i mean i mean it's a good example right there's

[3:18:47] Voice 16: a lot of equity in this property so there's the ability to do that yeah

[3:18:50] Voice 17: or at the opposite right

[3:18:52] Voice 17: where the parents own the property and they want their kids to come live with them but the kids

[3:18:56] Voice 17: don't want to live the same way there

[3:18:59] Voice 15: i think they could try to like incentivize like you can

[3:19:04] Voice 15: be allowed to do that if you create

[3:19:07] Voice 1: another union or

[3:19:08] Voice 15: if you're willing to

[3:19:09] Voice 14: give away a

[3:19:09] Voice 15: piece of your

[3:19:10] Voice 15: property so how can you create some parents i guess or yeah i

[3:19:17] Voice 14: think just a quick question

[3:19:20] Voice 14: and how does this relate to any kind of OCP update?

[3:19:25] Voice 14: Like, is there a relationship time-wise here at all?

[3:19:28] Voice 14: Or within the term

[3:19:30] Voice 14: of the trustees or the next trustees?

[3:19:32] Voice 14: Like, how is this fit with whatever the OCP process

[3:19:36] Voice 14: we may or may not have in the works?

[3:19:38] Voice 16: Yeah, so I can speak to that on a couple of levels.

[3:19:44] Voice 16: So the housing project will involve OCP amendments, absolutely.

[3:19:53] Voice 16: I don't see how it could not.

[3:19:56] Voice 16: So those will be done in parallel with the regulation changes.

[3:20:01] Voice 16: The regional planning team, so we've got this regional planning team,

[3:20:04] Voice 16: small group of planners that are looking at how we will sequence OCP updates.

[3:20:13] Voice 16: updates. Right now I'm working on the Gabriel OCP and that's going to be one of the first

[3:20:21] Voice 16: full OCP reviews that we've done for a long, long time. And so that process is going to

[3:20:31] Voice 16: provide an opportunity to look at how we can develop something that will essentially be

[3:20:38] Voice 16: a model moving forward, both the process and the OCP itself, providing a starting point

[3:20:46] Voice 16: for all of the other OCP reviews.

[3:20:49] Voice 16: So it's yet to be determined how those would be sequenced, but it's something that's

[3:20:54] Voice 16: being discussed.

[3:20:55] Voice 16: Because there's more opportunities for them to get done, we can do them sort of efficiently

[3:21:02] Voice 16: using a single process.

[3:21:04] Voice 16: Up until now, it's been reinventing the wheel every single time we do that.

[3:21:08] Voice 16: so when is our ocp getting updated well that's it we've got a list so apparently we've got a list

[3:21:13] Voice 16: i don't know where north bender is what

[3:21:16] Voice 15: i would say to that is that this is an opportunity to

[3:21:21] Voice 15: at least review and update your ocp i was thinking about housing and that's

[3:21:28] Voice 14: actually quite a huge

[3:21:29] Voice 14: time is an ocp it's like in three years that

[3:21:32] Voice 14: we've stopped i would

[3:21:34] Voice 15: say honestly that

[3:21:37] Voice 15: Given how busy we are that OCP reviews tend to be one of the things that gets put off and put off and put off.

[3:21:47] Voice 15: But

[3:21:47] Voice 16: there's more likelihood now in the environment that we are existing in, like in this region.

[3:21:52] Voice 17: So the

[3:21:52] Voice 17: current OCP is how old?

[3:21:55] Voice 8: 2008.

[3:21:56] Voice 8: Yeah, that's old.

[3:21:57] Voice 14: I would say it's one of the better ones.

[3:22:02] Voice 14: Yeah, it's

[3:22:03] Voice 15: just coming down in capacity.

[3:22:04] Voice 15: I would

[3:22:05] Voice 15: say that almost all of them are probably overrated.

[3:22:08] Voice 14: They're all overrated.

[3:22:08] Voice 15: They're all overrated.

[3:22:09] Voice 15: That's even more reason for folks.

[3:22:11] Voice 15: Yeah.

[3:22:11] Voice 15: Right.

[3:22:11] Voice 14: And so this is in a way,

[3:22:14] Voice 15: in lieu of a full, low on

[3:22:17] Voice 15: OCP review and update, this is kind

[3:22:20] Voice 15: of the fact of how OCPs get updated in this environment of limited resources.

[3:22:27] Voice 15: I know.

[3:22:28] Voice 16: So I'm kind of feeling because there's like five people have publicly spoken, more than

[3:22:34] Voice 16: you would ever have if you had a group of 20.

[3:22:36] Voice 16: So you might be feeling a bit tired

[3:22:38] Voice 16: at this point as well.

[3:22:41] Voice 16: So is it

[3:22:42] Voice 16: feeling like wrapping up?

[3:22:44] Voice 16: I thought it was really good. Do you feel like wrapping up?

[3:22:46] Voice 16: I thought it was really good.

[3:22:47] Voice 16: I was tired

[3:22:51] Voice 6: in the

[3:22:52] Voice 16: back of my car.

[3:22:53] Voice 16: A little bit of a

[3:23:17] Voice 18: I'm not representing you.

[3:23:19] Voice 18: I thought I was

[3:23:35] Voice 16: at the same place.

[3:23:36] Voice 16: So you could be taking a list

[3:23:39] Voice 16: of potential things and putting them

[3:23:41] Voice 16: out to the open way

[3:23:43] Voice 16: way in feedback already pre-populated list of things that that might be a way yeah it seems

[3:23:56] Voice 16: like there is some very focused interest in this community office and really be very useful for

[3:24:08] Voice 16: the project so that's the real value being of the right

[3:24:20] Voice 15: here today and i agree that identifying

[3:24:25] Voice 15: opportunities for profit housing a property or properties that would be viable looking at your

[3:24:36] Voice 15: accessory units and how they are applied. For example, forming characters with secondary suites.

[3:24:45] Voice 15: Those are probably the two most obvious things that I hear. Is there others?

[3:24:57] Voice 15: Those are the two,

[3:24:58] Voice 15: honestly, that I think are the most realistic to actually

[3:25:01] Voice 15: create more housing.

[3:25:03] Voice 6: And in particular, if you could

[3:25:04] Voice 15: get to an AD model that has some kind of

[3:25:08] Voice 15: housing agreement or some kind of yeah

[3:25:10] Voice 6: it's like get

[3:25:12] Voice 1: the challenges but i don't want to

[3:25:14] Voice 15: require them to what they say

[3:25:23] Voice 17: um that there's a few others that i can think of

[3:25:26] Voice 8: that are probably

[3:25:27] Voice 8: test council level so advocacy related issues um obviously which you can just work on in the test

[3:25:32] Voice 8: council

[3:25:33] Voice 17: um i think the slides that you have there's some communications low-hanging fruit

[3:25:39] Voice 17: communications wise so on our north pender page it would be good and i think i think you guys know

[3:25:43] Voice 17: about it to have any of these slides been presentations the video link for this meeting

[3:25:48] Voice 17: the link to the housing the trust-wide housing stuff like a little bit more cohesion into one

[3:25:54] Voice 17: spot because then when we communicate with people

[3:25:56] Voice 6: yeah because then

[3:25:58] Voice 17: when we and i know we get out

[3:26:00] Voice 17: of criticism but just to be able to for us to be able to like shoot out links with that to

[3:26:06] Voice 17: community is a lot easier because they things in here circulate word of mouth facebook emails like

[3:26:12] Voice 17: that kind of thing so the easier it is for us to send out single links with all the information

[3:26:17] Voice 17: all

[3:26:17] Voice 15: of that could go out in a mail out yeah that would also

[3:26:20] Voice 15: be an invitation to participate in the

[3:26:22] Voice 15: survey that's kind of a first step that would

[3:26:24] Voice 8: be really helpful

[3:26:25] Voice 17: and i'll just finish like one other

[3:26:28] Voice 17: thing i think it would be really i don't know that we need an engagement strategy that is like

[3:26:34] Voice 17: And I know, when I say that, what I just said before, that was communication, so if we can

[3:26:43] Voice 17: have some basic communication so that we can, but from the engagement perspective, we should

[3:26:49] Voice 17: be having, or you too, as you're thinking about all these things, you should invite

[3:26:53] Voice 17: the Tender Island Housing Society to the table to have that conversation.

[3:26:58] Voice 17: Yeah,

[3:26:59] Voice 18: because that is a critical component.

[3:27:01] Voice 18: yeah

[3:27:01] Voice 17: those folks are and have been historically very involved in all

[3:27:05] Voice 17: different properties and are working on that as a community and they are going

[3:27:08] Voice 17: to know ten other things right at the top

[3:27:10] Voice 15: of that list and one other just one

[3:27:15] Voice 15: other so property for nonprofit housing ADUs and the other opportunity I think

[3:27:23] Voice 15: is like creating accessory housing where it makes sense like at the fire hall

[3:27:28] Voice 15: maybe in your agriculture zone you allow for accessory housing for workers or in your commercial

[3:27:34] Voice 11: zone you can put it abroad.

[3:27:37] Voice 2: In the ALR you already have that that uh option of for for farming

[3:27:45] Voice 2: housing right just in

[3:27:46] Voice 2: your commercial zone in

[3:27:48] Voice 2: your industrial zones yeah this is where people

[3:27:51] Voice 2: are working to

[3:27:52] Voice 15: create some uh uh worker and that could at least start to fix that challenge

[3:28:02] Voice 5: oh i was wondering is there a large enough group of people that come to pender specifically for

[3:28:10] Voice 5: seasonal work that makes any kind of a big difference or impact to pender like people

[3:28:16] Voice 5: that come here for the summer jobs and

[3:28:18] Voice 5: then leave or like would it be worth it to maybe

[3:28:22] Voice 5: Try and incentivize people with short-term vacation rentals to house the temporary people, the seasonal workers that are coming here.

[3:28:31] Voice 5: That is

[3:28:32] Voice 17: an interesting thing.

[3:28:34] Voice 2: Nine years ago when I moved here, there was 35 properties on the market for under $300,000.

[3:28:44] Voice 2: and port browning had housing poet's cove had housing outside of where of the resort area and

[3:28:54] Voice 2: it with the price of housing going up all of that was sold off right like it was all is and so now

[3:29:03] Voice 2: you've got both port browning and poets cove house staff on their property in trailers so

[3:29:13] Voice 2: which works in the seasonality of what they're doing except that we've got to the point now where

[3:29:20] Voice 2: their full-time housing um their full-time staff is staying in in that housing as well

[3:29:26] Voice 2: so the the problem comes down to the the nobody wants to be a landlord there's absolutely no

[3:29:34] Voice 2: that benefit really to a to a person to be a landlord my

[3:29:39] Voice 5: parents have two

[3:29:39] Voice 5: i just see too many yeah

[3:29:44] Voice 2: and but also value like

[3:29:57] Voice 2: The thing is, you can't make decisions.

[3:30:00] Voice 2: based on crappy people though right like you can't we can't make a make a bylaw based on the

[3:30:06] Voice 2: fact that there's there's bad renters

[3:30:09] Voice 1: on the island

[3:30:10] Voice 2: right yeah like it's just not so but when

[3:30:13] Voice 2: you look at what the rules are for getting somebody out of a out of a place when you look at

[3:30:19] Voice 2: the cost difference between renting for the month and renting for four days and collecting the exact

[3:30:27] Voice 2: same amount of money and having the freedom to use your property whenever you want like

[3:30:32] Voice 2: it just you're not going to really be able to incentivize people in any way monetarily to make

[3:30:39] Voice 2: that happen and so yeah it sort of becomes a moot point on

[3:30:43] Voice 10: that end but one of the discussions we've

[3:30:45] Voice 10: had with crd is it's establishing like a rental office so so basically a property manager serves

[3:30:53] Voice 10: through crd so they would handle the leasing the evictions the

[3:30:58] Voice 18: collection of the rent all that

[3:31:02] Voice 18: yeah yeah

[3:31:04] Voice 17: we have property yeah

[3:31:06] Voice 10: yeah yeah because we like like i mean we have nothing

[3:31:10] Voice 10: yeah and

[3:31:11] Voice 17: i i could

[3:31:12] Voice 10: probably list you off 20 properties but if there was a property manager

[3:31:15] Voice 10: available that they would rent but right now they don't want the hassle right to me to

[3:31:20] Voice 2: me it comes

[3:31:21] Voice 2: down really we're at the mercy of an organization wanting to get involved in

[3:31:27] Voice 2: doing something like affordable housing on better out and and that I mean what

[3:31:33] Voice 2: we sort of need to know from those people what do you what do you need

[3:31:38] Voice 2: information wise to make your decision and then how can we make that happen you

[3:31:43] Voice 2: know like it really I totally understand the people being burnt out and the

[3:31:48] Voice 2: the process being too involved and taking too long.

[3:31:53] Voice 18: Not just the trust of BC Housing.

[3:31:54] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:31:55] Voice 2: The whole thing is a difficult.

[3:31:59] Voice 16: And it's difficult because housing is difficult.

[3:32:03] Voice 16: No.

[3:32:04] Voice 18: It's more expensive.

[3:32:05] Voice 16: It's in a rural area.

[3:32:07] Voice 16: They're really looking to support the existing agreement.

[3:32:10] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:32:11] Voice 16: So I think we can probably go into all kinds of details

[3:32:14] Voice 16: together.

[3:32:14] Voice 16: But how about we wrap it up for today

[3:32:16] Voice 16: and say we're going to continue this conversation.

[3:32:19] Voice 16: Does that work for you?

[3:32:20] Voice 17: Yeah.

[3:32:20] Voice 16: All right. Cool. Well, thanks so much, Drew, for coming.

[3:32:23] Voice 17: Thank you.

[3:32:23] Voice 16: Really

[3:32:23] Voice 17: thank you for the detail.

[3:32:24] Voice 17: I really appreciate these slides.

[3:32:26] Voice 17: They're fabulous, and I really want to make sure we can share them out.

[3:32:29] Voice 18: Yeah, really great.

[3:32:31] Voice 14: Can

[3:32:31] Voice 15: I just say that there are only five people in the room,

[3:32:34] Voice 15: and the people are exceptional.

[3:32:35] Voice 15: We're sitting down, and

[3:32:37] Voice 6: we don't even have anything to talk about.

[3:32:41] Voice 6: So we

[3:32:42] Voice 18: can only get another 50 of you.

[3:32:46] Voice 6: Genuinely, I

[3:32:47] Voice 6: mean, that's really good.

[3:33:03] Voice 2: actually did think about we could start a North Pender Island its own fate its

[3:33:09] Voice 2: own

[3:33:11] Voice 18: I

[3:33:13] Voice 2: wouldn't go near them I wouldn't even

[3:33:15] Voice 18: post on the

[3:33:16] Voice 2: forum right no

[3:33:18] Voice 6: but you

[3:33:20] Voice 6: chairman

[3:33:21] Voice 16: has the meeting been adjourned we could put

[3:33:23] Voice 10: something together we're just coming up for

[3:33:26] Voice 10: adjournment so yeah

[3:33:29] Voice 11: so

[3:33:29] Voice 10: by consent we'll adjourn yeah

[3:33:31] Voice 10: okay thank you we have adjourned thank you

[3:33:34] Voice 10: very much thank you have a great time thank you lisa but it's out of here the problem with social

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 25, 2024 
Pender Island Community Hall 
4418 Bedwell Harbour Road, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner  
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner  
 Lisa Millard, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were approximately eight (8) members of the public present 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 12:04 p.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. 2023/24 ANNUAL REPORT - REQUEST FOR DECISION 
NP-2024-040 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request to change the 
suggested text of the North Pender Island section of the 2023/24 Annual Report 
for approval by Trust Council by removing “within the territory of First Nations 
whose people” and inserting “within the territory of many First Nations whose 
peoples”. 
CARRIED 
NP-2024-041 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee authorize the addition of the 
following text to the end of the suggested text for the North Pender Island 
section of the 2023/24 Annual Report for approval by Trust Council: A violation 
to a Raptor’s Nest Development Permit Area, and subsequent refusal by the 
Province to prosecute, has raised concerns by the North Pender Island Local 
Trust Committee about the enforcement of DPAs related to forest protection. 
CARRIED 
A D O P T E D 

 
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NP-2024-042 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve the attached text for 
inclusion in the 2023/24 Annual Report for approval as amended by Trust 
Council and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs. 
CARRIED 
4. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MAILOUT 
The Trustees discussed content and pricing options for community mail outs. 
5. BC HYDRO COMMUNITY UPDATE 
BC Hydro Project Manager Anré McIntosh introduced herself and summarized two upcoming 
hydro line upgrades for the southern Gulf Islands and highlighted the following: 
 Both projects will increase operational flexibility, provide capacity for load growth, and 
improve reliability 
 Power is currently supplied by a two loop, two cablesystem with one running from Galiano 
Island to Mayne Island and the other from Salt Spring Island to North Pender Island 
 Submarine cable, which will be laid on the seabed, will be used for both projects 
 The first project will lay an eleven (11) kilometre submarine cable from Welbury Bay, Salt 
Spring Island to Port Washington, North Pender Island, which will connect to a new terminal 
pole, and use the existing distribution system which will receive some upgrades 
 Intertidal and upland civil construction and cable installation is anticipated to occur in the 
summer of 2025 and this will complete the first project 
 The second project  is in the very early planning stages and will see the line that currently 
runs from Ruckle Park, Salt Spring Island to Irene Bay relocated to Thieves Bay 
 Alternate locations, in addition to Thieves Bay, will also be considered 
 Irene Bay is unprotected and it is not safe for water based crews to work on the lines in that 
area 
 The Thieves Bay location will have minimal marine environmental impacts, little to no 
vegetation clearing, is close to the existing distribution system, and will require minimal 
upgrades to the overhead system 
 It is ideal to bring the feeder cable closer to the area that draws the biggest electrical load 
 The second project won’t begin until the first one is completed 
 
In answer to questions, BC Hydro Project Manager, Anré McIntosh stated the following: 
 There are no eelgrass beds at the Port Washington site 
 No private properties will be impacted at the Port Washington site 
 She is unsure if there will be any voltage decreases or spikes as the improvements should 
result in balancing the circuit 
 It will be unknown if any cutting back of trees will be required until a survey on pole 
replacement is completed 
 She can communicate work schedules to the Local Trust Committee 
 She will provide further communication about the potential locations for the second project 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 1:20pm and reconvened at 1:32 pm. 
 

 
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6. HOUSING ACCESS AND AFFORDABILITY PROJECT 
 Island Planner Chadwick introduced the project and presented the following information: 
 Trust Council’s interim strategic plan supports land use decision making tools and initiatives 
related to housing 
 A Housing Strategy, Housing Toolkit, Suitable Land Analysis, and Housing Needs Assessment 
have been developed 
 Other islands within the Islands Trust area are also working on housing projects 
 The main goal of the Housing Strategy is to help Local Trust Committees increase housing 
options for low and middle income households 
 The Suitable Land Analysis will help identify suitable areas for density increases by looking at 
aquifer vulnerability, saltwater intrusion, wildfire risk, proximity to amenities, and cultural 
significance 
  The Housing Toolkit provides action plans and strategy templates with a focus on increasing 
housing options and it features a list of possible options for Official Community Plan and 
Land Use Bylaw regulations that supports the ability for increased flexibility in housing 
options 
 Both Mayne Island and Denman Island Local Trust Committees are in the second phase of 
their housing projects and there is a great deal of information available for consideration 
based on their processes 
 One of the changes being made on Mayne Island is to allow additional units on a property 
with a maximum combined square footage and this provides for a number of options 
 Other potential possibilities include identifying land that might be donated for housing, and 
creating cooperatives or land co-ownership 
 
Island Planner Smith spoke about North Pender Island housing needs and noted the following: 
 The Local Trust Committee has acted on opportunities to support housing 
 There are one-thousand two-hundred and sixty-one (1261) houses on North Pender Island 
of which one-hundred and seventy (170) are rented 
 Thirty-four percent (34%) of renters pay more than thirty percent (30%) of their household 
income towards rent 
 The Official Community Plan (OCP) specifies a residential land use objective which is to 
provide a range of housing options that serve the needs of residents and property owners, 
and associated OCP policies allow for secondary suites 
 The Local Trust Committee might want to reconsider the character of the secondary suites 
and determine if they need to be within the dwelling or if they can be an accessory building 
 Rezoning applications might consider multifamily rental dwellings or clustered detached 
housing 
 The current Land Use Bylaw already has a community housing zone and a rental housing 
zone 
 A key consideration is how to get more community members involved in  finding and 
working towards solutions including more housing availability through not for profit housing 
societies 
 The goal is to try to create more opportunities for increased housing and affordable housing 
so when opportunities for funding become available, or a non-profit society forms, or an 
individual wants to build a secondary dwelling then the ability to take advantage of the 
opportunity is in place 

 
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There was a general discussion amongst the Trustees, Planners, and members of the public 
regarding tiny homes and the complications surrounding them such as how they can be defined, 
regulated, and inspected, and how they compare to manufactured homes and recreational 
vehicles. 
 
A member of the public made the following comments: 
 The increased cost of land, construction, material, and insurance increasing make it difficult 
to build affordable housing unless a non-profit housing society to be involved and the 
housing is subsidised 
 Disallowing short term vacation rentals is not going to free up a lot of rental housing 
 
Discussion ensued and the following was noted: 
 A community communication strategy can be developed 
 Two main themes include identifying opportunities for non profit housing properties and 
looking at accessory dwelling unit options 
 The Pender Islands Housing Society should be invited to be involved in the conversation 
 There might be opportunity for housing options in the commercial and industrial zones 
 Many homeowners do not want to be landlords and therefore a property management 
service operated through the Capital Regional District that manages all aspects of housing 
rentals would be beneficial 
7. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:37 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Lisa Millard, Recorder