Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 11, 2024

[0:00:20] Voice 9: All right.

[0:00:24] Voice 8: Well, thank you. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to call this regular meeting of the

[0:00:28] Voice 11: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:32] Voice 8: Please be aware we're live streaming this meeting and recording is going to be posted on the Island's Trust website generally in around a week, although I know the last meeting took quite a while to hit the web.

[0:00:47] Voice 8: um find out why later i want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate today

[0:00:54] Voice 8: to be able to be gathering uh in the territories of many coach salish peoples

[0:01:00] Voice 11: and uh respect to that i want to just take a moment to um to acknowledge and uh and be

[0:01:11] Voice 11: grateful for the culturally committed program that uh is available to uh trustees and staff

[0:01:18] Voice 11: through the Islands for reconciliation actions which is offering an opportunity

[0:01:24] Voice 8: for trustees and staff to directly connect with First Nations leaders and

[0:01:32] Voice 8: mentors

[0:01:32] Voice 11: in the area. It's been a really positive experience so far. My name is

[0:01:38] Voice 11: Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Luskeetee Island. I'm the chair of the Salisbury Island

[0:01:42] Voice 11: Local Trust Committee. With me this morning is local trustee Laura

[0:01:48] Voice 11: Laura Patrick, and we'll be back each year in Paris.

[0:01:51] Voice 11: Together, we're the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:56] Voice 11: We have Sarah Sugar, our minute taker here,

[0:01:59] Voice 11: Chris Hutton, the Regional Planning Manager,

[0:02:01] Voice 11: and Rob and Wilma, Legislative Clerk,

[0:02:04] Voice 11: all here today and appreciate all of your work

[0:02:07] Voice 11: on our new app.

[0:02:09] Voice 11: This meeting is an official forum

[0:02:11] Voice 11: for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:02:13] Voice 11: about land use planning matters

[0:02:14] Voice 11: and to discuss relevant business.

[0:02:17] Voice 11: It's also a place of employment, and our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:02:24] Voice 11: We do have a town hall on our agenda, and when we get there, that's the opportunity

[0:02:31] Voice 11: for the public to speak, and we'll have more on that later, because that's coming up soon.

[0:02:42] Voice 11: Also acknowledge we've got the Regional Director, Gary Holman, and LCC Chair, Anthony Burrow-Rook

[0:02:48] Voice 11: here today.

[0:02:49] Voice 11: thank you for joining us again and our first item of business is the agenda

[0:02:55] Voice 11: before us and you have an agenda as well and I'll just check with trustees to see

[0:03:00] Voice 11: if there's any amendments desired for the agenda today and not seeing any I'll

[0:03:07] Voice 11: take by general consent we'll adopt the agenda as presented so

[0:03:14] Voice 8: this brings us to

[0:03:15] Voice 8: the town hall members of the public to

[0:03:21] Voice 11: address questions or comments we request that you direct

[0:03:28] Voice 11: comments to the local trust committee three of us and not other members of public or staff

[0:03:37] Voice 11: speak about the issues and not other individuals and be clear concise and respectful

[0:03:45] Voice 11: I see that we have only

[0:03:47] Voice 8: three people today, so would any of you like to make any comments

[0:03:51] Voice 8: or ask any questions this morning?

[0:03:53] Voice 10: I thought that I was on a delegation.

[0:03:56] Voice 10: Is this where you can speak?

[0:03:57] Voice 8: That comes next.

[0:03:59] Voice 11: Oh, okay.

[0:04:00] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:04:01] Voice 8: Sorry.

[0:04:02] Voice 8: Nothing from the public for Town Hall?

[0:04:05] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:04:06] Voice 8: That being the case, then next up is delegations, and that's you, sir.

[0:04:13] Voice 8: Do I just stand up and talk to you?

[0:04:15] Voice 8: Yeah, if you'd like. For the folks that are listening in, the closer you are to this

[0:04:21] Voice 8: microphone, the better they will hear you.

[0:04:23] Voice 8: Can you bring your chair

[0:04:24] Voice 11: closer? Do you want to sit in the chair?

[0:04:26] Voice 10: No, I'm fine. Thank you very much. Well, my name is Robin Kellam. I live at 2188

[0:04:30] Voice 10: North End Road. I have been a resident of Salt Spring Island here for now 31 years.

[0:04:36] Voice 10: We have a property located in what we call Gary Park. It's down on Furness

[0:04:41] Voice 10: and the address is 265 for an S and it was the last of the subdivided property that we subdivided

[0:04:48] Voice 10: off. It has a beautiful log house on it that we restored and we've been trying to sell the house

[0:04:54] Voice 10: for a few years now and what's happened is every potential buyer that has come to look at the house

[0:05:01] Voice 10: has gone to the Island's Trust Office to ask the Island's Trust about it and they've been told

[0:05:07] Voice 10: old, nobody could live there. Emphatically, nobody could live there. When we put the covenant on the

[0:05:14] Voice 10: title, we knew exactly what we thought the covenant was saying. And in the first paragraph,

[0:05:19] Voice 10: at the very end, it says you can't live there unless you have to be in compliant with the

[0:05:25] Voice 10: covenant. And so our understanding always was being an agricultural property that farm workers

[0:05:32] Voice 10: could live there. But that's not what's being told from the trust office to potential buyers.

[0:05:37] Voice 10: And so they're going away spooked. And we have been unable to get somebody to occupy that cabin

[0:05:42] Voice 10: because of those reasons. And so I was asked if I could get a legal opinion. I've got a couple

[0:05:48] Voice 10: of legal opinions. You now have one before you from Pearlman Lindholm, which kind of confirms

[0:05:55] Voice 10: that the farm worker can live there or farm workers. What I'm asking the Islands Trust

[0:06:01] Voice 10: trust committee here, the trustees, is to please send a memo to staff not to say you can't live

[0:06:08] Voice 10: there, but if you abide by the covenant, you can. And if you're a farm worker and you're going to

[0:06:13] Voice 10: farm the property, you can live there and allow a family here on Salt Spring who desperately needs

[0:06:19] Voice 10: a home, desperately wants to live there because we've had lots of people inquire, run away spooked,

[0:06:24] Voice 10: and this is the only way that we're going to be able to resolve it is if the trust committee

[0:06:30] Voice 10: sends an instruction to staff saying read the covenant and if you're a farm worker thank you

[0:06:36] Voice 11: okay thank you for that trustee any questions comments yeah so i agree i don't know what

[0:06:48] Voice 11: place you're talking about and um i'm hoping certainly we're going to have this condition

[0:07:00] Voice 11: I

[0:07:01] Voice 10: believe Rob Pingle kind of wrote out kind of what we were asking you to say.

[0:07:07] Voice 10: I think it's pretty simple.

[0:07:09] Voice 10: So hoping you can do this.

[0:07:12] Voice 11: Yeah, I think so too.

[0:07:13] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:07:14] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:07:17] Voice 11: Anything else?

[0:07:20] Voice 11: Just Patrick at all?

[0:07:24] Voice 11: Maybe just checking with staff.

[0:07:26] Voice 11: Is there any comments on that?

[0:07:31] Voice 11: Did you write anything?

[0:07:32] Voice 11: Oh, I see one.

[0:07:35] Voice 11: No comments.

[0:07:36] Voice 11: Chair,

[0:07:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I can give you some feedback on this.

[0:07:43] Voice 8: Okay, thank you, Warren.

[0:07:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So for this property, the land use bylaw does not permit the use of that structure or that building as a dwelling.

[0:07:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so they may have an interpretation of what the covenant says but it it's not

[0:08:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: lawful to be used as a dwelling just under the land use bylaw so you have two

[0:08:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: separate issues what the land use bylaw permits and what the Covenant may or may

[0:08:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not commit and the local trust committee we may want a full report on this in a

[0:08:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a closed meeting to review their own legal opinions before taking any action okay

[0:08:35] Voice 11: thank you for that

[0:08:36] Voice 11: advice

[0:08:36] Voice 10: it's it's our understanding that the local trust committee has the jurisdiction and latitude

[0:08:45] Voice 10: to approve this and let somebody live there okay to turn around and deny a family or deny people

[0:08:52] Voice 10: on salt spring where there's an absolute crisis here simply over something that yes you could

[0:08:57] Voice 10: maybe say this or yes you could maybe say that but by saying that allows a family to go into a home

[0:09:04] Voice 10: and to hang on

[0:09:04] Voice 10: to a technicality where this is clearly a legal opinion that gives you the off

[0:09:09] Voice 10: route to allow a family to have a home i i honestly cannot understand why the trustees

[0:09:15] Voice 10: would have struck that when you do have a legal avenue to approve it

[0:09:20] Voice 8: okay thank you and it sounds

[0:09:22] Voice 8: It sounds like

[0:09:22] Voice 11: Mr. Damon is indicating that we have some legal opinions of our own.

[0:09:29] Voice 11: We

[0:09:29] Voice 8: need to be in a closed meeting to access, but it also sounds like you want us to make a resolution to get a report, have that discussion in camera.

[0:09:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yes, Chair, that would be the best advice.

[0:09:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You do have a very detailed legal opinion on this, and you should review that before taking any further action.

[0:09:53] Voice 8: okay and and based on uh what i think i heard you say that uh you're not prepared at this

[0:10:00] Voice 8: meeting to to provide that but we should be asked for that at a future meeting uh

[0:10:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if you want to go

[0:10:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in camera at some point today i can forward it to all the trustees that i think time should be

[0:10:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: taken to complete a full staff report and present that as well as the legal opinion at a future

[0:10:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: meeting

[0:10:16] Voice 11: okay thank you i just wanted to clarify that just to hear um i'm wondering where this

[0:10:24] Voice 11: recommendation is

[0:10:25] Voice 11: useful

[0:10:27] Voice 11: that's in front of us.

[0:10:28] Voice 11: You mentioned Rob

[0:10:29] Voice 11: had

[0:10:29] Voice 10: some kind of recommendation.

[0:10:33] Voice 10: Yeah, well, I believe

[0:10:34] Voice 10: it's there. It's just a simple

[0:10:36] Voice 10: paragraph asking

[0:10:38] Voice 10: staff to not tell people they can't

[0:10:40] Voice 10: live there.

[0:10:42] Voice 10: Turn around and say, if you're going

[0:10:44] Voice 10: to farm the property and you're going to follow

[0:10:46] Voice 10: the covenant. Now, there's always

[0:10:48] Voice 10: going to be two legal opinions.

[0:10:50] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:10:50] Voice 10: I understand.

[0:10:51] Voice 4: You

[0:10:51] Voice 10: guys can understand that.

[0:10:53] Voice 10: The one that you pay for, the one that Warren wants, is going to say black.

[0:10:56] Voice 10: The one that I'm saying to you says white.

[0:10:59] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:10:59] Voice 4: I understand.

[0:11:00] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:11:00] Voice 1: So

[0:11:00] Voice 10: there is two.

[0:11:01] Voice 10: So to turn around, this is just another delay.

[0:11:03] Voice 10: We've been doing this for four years to continue on with this.

[0:11:07] Voice 10: The fact is, why?

[0:11:09] Voice 10: Why would you do this?

[0:11:10] Voice 10: Why would you deny a family a home?

[0:11:13] Voice 10: It makes no sense in this housing crisis.

[0:11:15] Voice 10: So you have an option.

[0:11:17] Voice 10: You could go this way or you can go this way.

[0:11:20] Voice 10: that's what i'm asking you to simply go this way and allow the family to live there under what's in

[0:11:24] Voice 10: the covenant okay thank you sir uh i

[0:11:27] Voice 11: wouldn't think we've heard that and we've got some staff

[0:11:30] Voice 11: advice uh trustee garris when can we make a motion now or we need to put it um apparently

[0:11:37] Voice 11: in the paragraph which i can't see i i didn't see uh a suggested motion in the past to provide one

[0:11:44] Voice 11: page five has the email from robin which may uh include language that you could use but it was at

[0:11:52] Voice 11: the suggestion of the delegate okay i wouldn't like to just go farther at some point and sooner

[0:11:58] Voice 11: than later about amending the values because i'm very familiar with the property i've heard from

[0:12:05] Voice 11: many people want to purchase the property and i agree that it's senseless because we're talking

[0:12:11] about you know the property the house wanted to be moved 40 feet for it to be legal to live in

[0:12:17] that to me is just ridiculous

[0:12:18] Voice 11: where a city is fine i agree with the housing crisis i fully agree with

[0:12:22] Voice 11: you totally it's just not as creative as you want well

[0:12:27] Voice 10: here's one more thing okay but if i may say

[0:12:30] Voice 10: this i don't know if you've been to the property and seen the property okay here's the irony of

[0:12:34] Voice 10: the paradox to all this this property was farmed for years the lady that lived in it was like 85

[0:12:40] Voice 10: years old her family had farmed this it is beautiful farmland it is level it is flat it

[0:12:46] Voice 10: has been cleared it's ideally set up to continue on with it to have a piece of farmland like that

[0:12:52] Voice 10: set there to have a house that's been completely restored just sitting there empty okay and when

[0:12:58] Voice 10: the covenant clearly and the covenant is ambiguous i will give warren that okay however there is a

[0:13:04] Voice 10: term in law it's called contra petra for rent it's where the reader of the covenant where it's not

[0:13:10] Voice 10: clear understands it to be a certain way then the readers take on it is what actually happens and

[0:13:15] Voice 10: that's a legal term so we read the covenant as being hey a farm worker can work there we've got

[0:13:21] Voice 10: a legal opinion from you saying there anything else to the contrary is only obstruction to a

[0:13:27] Voice 10: family being able to move in there and farm it and here you have this beautiful piece of property

[0:13:32] Voice 10: sitting vacant because of some sort of a little legal technicality that you'd like to chase which

[0:13:38] Voice 10: which is half of the equation.

[0:13:41] Voice 10: The other half is, well, we have a legal opinion that allows us to do this.

[0:13:45] Voice 10: Let's let a family buy this and let's let a family farm it.

[0:13:49] Voice 10: That's what South Springs is all about.

[0:13:51] Voice 10: And here we are running in the face of this.

[0:13:53] Voice 10: It's just hard to understand.

[0:13:56] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:13:57] Voice 8: I hear your frustration.

[0:13:59] Voice 8: I'm going to go to Trustee Patrick.

[0:14:01] Voice 8: Sure.

[0:14:01] Voice 11: I understand, Rob, your concerns.

[0:14:04] Voice 11: but i think uh we we as decision

[0:14:07] Voice 11: makers should have a staff report to

[0:14:10] Voice 3: consider and uh i'm fine

[0:14:12] Voice 11: with that yeah so i i think we can

[0:14:13] Voice 3: just just deal with this issue right now by just making a motion

[0:14:17] Voice 3: requesting staff or i'll move that i uh that we request staff to prepare

[0:14:21] Voice 11: a staff report um

[0:14:23] Voice 11: on ponds 250 250 or 265 60.

[0:14:29] Voice 11: uh laurie it's 265

[0:14:31] Voice 11: 265 for ms road and report back to the trustees

[0:14:38] Voice 11: okay uh so luke uh i'll second her yeah conversation okay

[0:14:46] Voice 11: i just moved a second it would be nice to clarify in the motion that this staff report um if it

[0:14:54] Voice 11: could include what amendments are needed to the land use by law to allow that to be added okay

[0:15:07] Voice 11: i just want to check in

[0:15:08] Voice 8: with um staff on that uh is that level of direction required so chair you

[0:15:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: may need an entirely new legal opinion regarding the amendments to what amendments would be

[0:15:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: be required this is a very unique situation in property and it also involves a building

[0:15:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on ALR land and so that's going to make it I think more complicated we already have a current

[0:15:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: legal opinion on this that can be presented to the LTC so it gives them a clear picture

[0:15:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: of the lawfulness or unlawfulness of what is there but you may need to get a new legal

[0:15:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: opinion if you're going to add that component of this report and that will mean additional time to

[0:16:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: get the report ready so whereas you may be able to get something for june uh you may not get this

[0:16:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: report until september

[0:16:14] Voice 11: okay thanks for that clarification may i just say one other thing okay

[0:16:21] Voice 11: um

[0:16:23] Voice 10: i understand how legal opinions work i've been doing this for many many many years

[0:16:28] Voice 10: when you have a piece of property and let's say you build your house too close to the property

[0:16:33] Voice 10: line let's say that happens um you end up having to come for a variance and you come and you apply

[0:16:39] Voice 10: for the variance and if the trustees feel the variance is warranted they will grant the variance

[0:16:44] Voice 10: and that variance will get registered on title so that you now have what's called a legal non-conforming

[0:16:50] Voice 10: buildings warren could argue and say but the bylaw says we know what the bylaw says we're aware of

[0:16:57] Voice 10: that but to sidestep that and make this legal the customer or the client has applied for a variance

[0:17:03] Voice 10: okay in this particular case we have a covenant registered on title

[0:17:08] Voice 11: yes we have a motion on the

[0:17:10] Voice 11: floor yeah thank you

[0:17:12] Voice 8: yeah good good point thank you we

[0:17:14] Voice 10: do have a mo

[0:17:14] Voice 8: your trustee is correct we

[0:17:16] Voice 8: do have a motion on the floor so at this point i'm just going to ask you to uh thank you to

[0:17:21] Voice 8: uh to remain seated and uh we'll go back to the debate on the

[0:17:25] Voice 11: motion on the floor

[0:17:26] Voice 11: uh i guess i would just reiterate i'd like to see something added to the motion

[0:17:31] Voice 11: or we're requesting staff to give us a recommendation on what we need to

[0:17:38] Voice 11: and the land use by law to make it uh legal uh for some of these other ones i think it's pretty

[0:17:46] Voice 11: assembly okay uh trustee patrick well

[0:17:50] Voice 3: i i just think it's let's i think starting with the staff

[0:17:53] Voice 3: report it's you know i read the staff report i was present when we then this motion when your

[0:17:57] Voice 3: property was the

[0:17:58] Voice 3: last term there's a lot of factors here that i think getting a fresh

[0:18:02] Voice 3: staff report will help us all be on the same page to understand the situation and decide what next

[0:18:07] Voice 11: steps um

[0:18:08] Voice 9: okay

[0:18:13] Voice 11: um so i didn't hear uh

[0:18:19] Voice 8: yeah it was tough okay um in that case if there's no further

[0:18:25] Voice 8: discussion i'll call a question all those in favor and that carries so i i understand your

[0:18:34] Voice 8: frustration and the timeline and all that sir but uh we do need to well i hope that you for those

[0:18:39] Voice 8: those of us trustees that weren't here last last time we do need to fully understand um both both

[0:18:45] Voice 8: your perspective and and the staff perspectives so i

[0:18:50] Voice 10: do and i ask you to please take into consideration

[0:18:53] Voice 10: the hundreds of people that would love to buy this place requirement you're doing the right

[0:18:57] Voice 10: thing if you find a way to make this happen as opposed to finding a way to kill it yeah no i

[0:19:04] Voice 11: understand uh honestly i was one of the people who wanted to buy it but i was running for trust

[0:19:09] Voice 11: that knew if i ran and won i wouldn't be able to visit the conflict of interest sounds great

[0:19:15] Voice 11: but i'm i'm just as frustrated as you are and uh you have the resources thank you

[0:19:23] Voice 11: okay thank you sir um next up we have trustee report section i would like to go first

[0:19:43] Voice 11: I wanted to start with sort of, I was, I was, I was so surprised and I'm starting to understand

[0:19:49] Voice 11: why salt springs are

[0:19:52] Voice 3: so confused with what the island's trust is and does.

[0:19:55] Voice 3: The front page of last week's paper is Recording Limits I, and it's about an issue on Liskety

[0:20:03] Voice 3: Island. Laskini, 496 people and somebody who wants to film a meeting on Laskini. So I thought,

[0:20:12] Voice 3: what should or could have been a front page story? Well, Bowen Island, another island in the

[0:20:19] Voice 3: Islands Trust, received a $1.6 million federal housing accelerator fund grant. And Bowen Island

[0:20:28] Voice 3: is included in the province's Bill 44 density of suites and accessory units in every single

[0:20:35] Voice 3: family home. At the funding announcement, the NP said this is going to deliver lasting changes

[0:20:45] Voice 3: to the way

[0:20:46] Voice 1: that homes are built on island,

[0:20:48] Voice 3: changes that will tear down the barriers and

[0:20:50] Voice 3: stumbling blocks that slow housing down. These changes are predicted to help 35 new housing

[0:20:57] Voice 3: minutes on the island in over three years and a total of 114 expected over the next 10 years.

[0:21:03] Voice 3: Mayor Leonard said

[0:21:05] Voice 3: while the island's population has grown overly um overall recently he says he

[0:21:10] Voice 3: hopes new funding will reduce the stories of residents who find themselves unable to stay

[0:21:15] Voice 3: on Bowen. We know that every year we lose neighbors and friends to housing insecurity

[0:21:21] Voice 3: they're often getting displaced and priced out of the market. He thanks his fellow consulars

[0:21:27] Voice 3: and staff for creating the diverse or working on diverse sources of housing, and so they've

[0:21:36] Voice 3: been identified as a strategic priority in the municipality.

[0:21:40] Voice 3: The mayor also talks about, I mean, the mayor can talk about social impacts of that on housing

[0:21:47] Voice 3: prices, and he can also talk about the upcoming official community plan work that they're

[0:21:55] Voice 3: doing on bowman which is looking at sustaining development balance density increases with the

[0:22:00] Voice 3: actual tangible limits of ecosystems on social fabrics uh cohen's

[0:22:07] Voice 9: in the islands trust

[0:22:08] Voice 3: just like

[0:22:09] Voice 3: us and they can have those conversations on bowman about breaking down barriers providing housing and

[0:22:15] Voice 3: doing it within the the limitations of an island and addressing both those issues here on salt

[0:22:22] Voice 3: where you've got to do the same thing we have to do the same thing and uh yeah we have to do it

[0:22:29] Voice 3: with help the help from senior government like phone anyway uh before i report on my meetings

[0:22:37] Voice 3: and while our crd friends are still here i did uh i did want to um um ask uh ask a thing of you

[0:22:48] Voice 3: so later in today's meeting we're going to be discussing uh bylaw enforcement on short-term

[0:22:52] Voice 3: rentals. We know

[0:22:54] Voice 3: we've got

[0:22:54] Voice 11: to modernize our approach

[0:22:56] Voice 11: sort of to rentals, including

[0:22:58] Voice 11: breakfasts here on Salt Spring.

[0:23:00] Voice 11: And we have an opportunity to do this

[0:23:02] Voice 11: joint

[0:23:02] Voice 3: in partnership

[0:23:03] Voice 3: with, and in partnership

[0:23:06] Voice 3: with industry.

[0:23:08] Voice 3: Your economic development service,

[0:23:10] Voice 3: our land use management function,

[0:23:13] Voice 3: industry representation

[0:23:14] Voice 3: on the island, we all have

[0:23:16] Voice 3: to work together to modernize that.

[0:23:18] Voice 3: It's my plea that we all come

[0:23:20] Voice 3: together and work on this issue i think it's a good one on that anyway in the last month i have

[0:23:27] Voice 3: as usual attended lots of meetings the southern gulf island half day forum was uh held with all

[0:23:33] Voice 3: the elected officials primarily discussed housing marine matters and parks canada updated us on the

[0:23:39] Voice 3: gulf island national park reserve uh attended the salt spring i mean trust council's quarterly

[0:23:44] Voice 3: meeting uh met with the salt spring combination group attended the monthly salish sea network

[0:23:49] Voice 3: WorkTrail meeting, attended the Reconciliation Learning Group gathering.

[0:23:54] Voice 3: We did a pilot project of where Burnaby had erased its indigenous history and what it's doing about it.

[0:24:02] Voice 3: Participated in the Farmland Trust's working group, managing a significant grant to work on emergency preparedness and food security.

[0:24:10] Voice 3: Attended my first LCC meeting to support our staff presentation on the OCP project.

[0:24:16] Voice 3: met with the chair of the LCC to discuss coordination opportunities, attended a few CAO hiring committee meetings,

[0:24:24] Voice 3: progressed to replace the CAO in areas low, and I went with some interested salt springers over to visit the village in Duncan.

[0:24:37] Voice 3: This supported housing concept is really impressive.

[0:24:41] Voice 3: it and the Cowichan Community Action Team is a huge part of their success. There's a lot to be

[0:24:49] Voice 3: learned from what they're doing over there and they are happy to

[0:24:53] Voice 3: share everything that they're

[0:24:55] Voice 3: doing. Wonderful folks and I really encourage that we spend more time getting to know what they're

[0:25:00] Voice 3: doing in Duncan's and

[0:25:01] Voice 11: that's my report. Thank you for that. Dusty Harris? I have nothing to report

[0:25:08] Voice 11: all this time okay thank you um next is the chair's report uh justin patrick got shown a few

[0:25:18] Voice 11: of the things uh trust council in march uh was largely focused on um budget deliberations um

[0:25:24] Voice 11: but also uh contained a uh beginning of a strategic uh um planning exercise which i i think

[0:25:35] Voice 11: Most of us felt it wasn't

[0:25:37] Voice 8: quite long enough, but it was a start and hopefully is the precursor to the move

[0:25:43] Voice 11: of Islands Trust to a corporate planning process, which will integrate budget planning and strategic planning in the future.

[0:25:55] Voice 11: as trustee patrick also mentioned the cao hiring committee continues to meet

[0:25:59] Voice 11: um the uh the request for uh proposals for uh an executive surgery term has gone out

[0:26:10] Voice 11: i expect uh it won't be uh too long before we get the results of that

[0:26:16] Voice 11: um province

[0:26:22] Voice 8: has given second reading to the new uh bill 16 um which uh i'm

[0:26:29] Voice 11: i'm told that uh

[0:26:31] Voice 11: trustees will be receiving some communication from minister kalon about the uh clickability

[0:26:37] Voice 11: or non-flexibility of sections of that to um the island's trust area um let's see what else the uh

[0:26:49] Voice 8: uh association of vancouver island coastal communities is coming up this weekend i

[0:26:53] Voice 8: understand trust patrick uh has been uh authorized by executive committee to attend and most of

[0:27:00] Voice 11: executive committee that he is going to attend i'm not going to be there this this uh this time

[0:27:05] Voice 11: around i'm just too

[0:27:07] Voice 8: much on my schedule

[0:27:08] Voice 11: um

[0:27:09] Voice 8: to make this round but i hope to be there next next round

[0:27:12] Voice 8: i was there last time um uh let's see coming up at the end of the month here um the crd

[0:27:23] Voice 8: collaboration on marine issues meeting is taking place in victoria um much needed collaboration and

[0:27:31] Voice 8: uh from my perspective i'm hoping that that meeting leads to uh uh some resolution from

[0:27:41] Voice 8: from CRD and Islands Trust to try and involve the province

[0:27:45] Voice 8: and the federal jurisdictions

[0:27:47] Voice 11: on these marine matters

[0:27:49] Voice 11: and come up if we can with some kind of a coherent,

[0:27:52] Voice 11: coordinated approach between all of the various

[0:27:55] Voice 11: government levels so that we're not

[0:27:58] Voice 11: A, working at odds

[0:27:59] Voice 11: or B, solving the problem in one area

[0:28:03] Voice 11: by having it pop up again like a whack-a-mole.

[0:28:06] Voice 11: Um, so that's, that's important. There's a section

[0:28:11] Voice 8: on that later in the meeting here in the agenda.

[0:28:15] Voice 8: Also, there's a Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure meeting coming up on April 29th, which fortunately sort of came out of complaints about parking and parking being changed, reduced in Montague Harbour on Galliano Island.

[0:28:34] Voice 8: in conversations with a staff member from Adam Olson's office and a Vancouver Island

[0:28:43] Voice 8: manager from MOTI. I mentioned the fact that Alice Trust and Mystery Transportation have a

[0:28:51] Voice 8: letter of agreement and an amendment to that letter from 1996 that states that we can form

[0:28:59] Voice 8: a task force to work together on communication and

[0:29:01] Voice 11: these these various transportation issues

[0:29:05] Voice 11: we

[0:29:06] Voice 8: had brought that up with the minister in september at ubcm and eventually received a

[0:29:12] Voice 8: letter of reply saying that staff would in due time get to us uh that hadn't happened so i was

[0:29:18] Voice 8: very pleasantly surprised when uh mr holly um said

[0:29:23] Voice 11: yes let's let's get together and meet and discuss

[0:29:27] Voice 11: us this this idea of establishing a task force i think initially

[0:29:32] Voice 11: it looks like there's it's going

[0:29:34] Voice 11: to be involving mostly southern gulf island members but eventually it should encompass

[0:29:41] Voice 11: all the islands and the islands trust we all have issues many similar around transportation

[0:29:48] Voice 11: both of the road networks ferry terminals and ferry service and i'm encouraged that

[0:29:55] Voice 11: that we have a reasonably senior staff member.

[0:30:00] Voice 11: that's open to the idea of looking at what the letter of agreement says

[0:30:05] Voice 11: and the potential for establishing a task force.

[0:30:10] Voice 11: I think that would be very useful to have an established means of communication

[0:30:16] Voice 11: in both directions coming up.

[0:30:21] Voice 11: And I will leave it at that.

[0:30:24] Voice 8: And over to our representatives from CRD.

[0:30:29] Voice 11: earl where are you

[0:30:30] Voice 8: going to go

[0:30:30] Voice 11: thank you everyone um and not that long since the last four years but we do have a few updates from

[0:30:40] Voice 11: the local community commission of salt spring um our reinstituted harborwalk steering committee is

[0:30:46] Voice 11: meeting again and moving forward with that um long delayed project um in the reasonably near future

[0:30:59] the urgent news pathway project is also online for um

[0:31:04] Voice 11: for beginning construction we've got um

[0:31:07] Voice 11: good news coming there that will be an addition welcome addition to our existing pathway system

[0:31:14] Voice 11: as the chair mentioned the ucrd is holding a workshop on marine and harbor management

[0:31:22] Voice 11: forever moment and a member of the lcc are planning to attend we're very interested in seeing

[0:31:30] Voice 11: what potential there is there although i would caution that any major progress may be a ways

[0:31:36] Voice 11: down the road such a complicated and fraught issue at multiple levels of jurisdiction involved

[0:31:44] Voice 11: the lcc has also scheduled our all stakeholders housing meeting for may 22nd

[0:31:51] Voice 11: where we will be looking primarily at the role of the lcc within our housing matrix on the island

[0:31:58] Voice 11: and where we can make contributions to housing on Salt Spring.

[0:32:09] Voice 11: And finally, I can't go without mentioning that we're looking forward

[0:32:13] Voice 11: to the proposed joint meeting with the local trust committee.

[0:32:17] Voice 11: I think we've all seen there are a number of issues where we can

[0:32:20] Voice 11: and actually need to work together.

[0:32:22] Voice 11: And my understanding is that we're shooting for sometime in mid-June.

[0:32:27] Voice 11: I hope that works out.

[0:32:28] Voice 11: um we're ready and willing to make that effort work on a long long-term and ongoing basis thank

[0:32:36] Voice 11: you well thank you for that gentleman yeah thanks jerry uh just to pick up on a point

[0:32:43] one or raised in the world's comments

[0:32:46] Voice 11: so on short-term vacation rentals i think everyone's

[0:32:51] Voice 11: aware that security has requested inclusion and the speculation vacancy tax um it would be helpful

[0:32:59] Voice 11: if the trust were to weigh in in support of that uh there's also bill 35 where uh it's the local

[0:33:06] Voice 11: planning authority that uh has to request uh to opt in to that um and that as i understand it

[0:33:16] Voice 11: essentially have the province taking over uh management and enforcement of short-term vacation

[0:33:23] Voice 11: rentals so before for example we get into business licensing with the crd i'd like to see how those

[0:33:30] Voice 11: initiatives play out also build the the provincial registration aspect of bill 35 applies province

[0:33:38] So you are legally required as a short

[0:33:43] Voice 11: -term rental operator to have a registration number and to, on any advertising, show that registration number.

[0:33:55] Voice 11: So basically, even if we don't opt into Bill 35, which I hope we would do,

[0:34:02] Voice 11: that registration

[0:34:03] Voice 11: system will clearly identify who are short-term operators.

[0:34:08] Voice 11: I would like to see how that plays out in terms of making enforcement of land use by-laws

[0:34:16] Voice 11: more effective before we get into licensing.

[0:34:20] Voice 11: thing but you know it's uh we'll continue to talk about it including at the uh workshop that

[0:34:27] Voice 11: earl mentioned and on that workshop there are a detailed set of notes that have been distributed

[0:34:33] Voice 11: uh to uh violence trust i can't remember who always copied certainly laura and uh chris hutton

[0:34:42] i'm not sure if the other trust has got copies but as part of those notes we

[0:34:47] Voice 11: summarize uh

[0:34:49] Voice 11: initiatives both locally and provincially federally islands trust crd etc etc there's a

[0:34:57] Voice 11: lot going on on the housing front uh just in terms of locally and i have mentioned this before but

[0:35:04] Voice 11: uh there are uh at least nine properties on salisbury uh that are already designated or zoned

[0:35:14] Voice 11: for multi-family housing most of them affordable housing because the properties are owned by

[0:35:21] Voice 11: non-profits that includes the five acre drake road and city housing corporation and it also

[0:35:28] Voice 11: includes a couple of private properties like kangaroo road squanson's pond that are already

[0:35:33] Voice 11: zoned together for about 50 units of market housing so i will say again i've said before

[0:35:41] Voice 11: In my view, and Laura kind of alluded to it in terms of getting support from senior governments,

[0:35:47] I don't think

[0:35:49] Voice 11: available zone land really is the constraint, certainly if the water moratorium

[0:35:56] Voice 11: is an obstacle, although it hasn't prevented, for example, Croftonbrook, and Croftonbrook,

[0:36:03] Voice 11: it does add uh cost and time but uh in my view the land isn't as scarce as where funding is

[0:36:10] Voice 11: and and that's that's where we need to aim for funding attention before the 85 million that

[0:36:16] Voice 11: security is more that's being challenged it's gonna have to wind its way through but steering

[0:36:21] Voice 11: staff are pretty confident that the voter approval process uh for that was was kosher um uh on uh

[0:36:33] Voice 11: earl mentioned and you mentioned chair the the seer workshop on harbor management and i'm glad

[0:36:41] Voice 11: you did include senior governments in your comments because without their support for

[0:36:46] Voice 11: local governments to step in to uh an area where agents fear to tread uh it's it will there's huge

[0:36:56] Voice 11: amount of responsibility and liability associated with that and if we don't get support from senior

[0:37:01] Voice 11: senior governments, it would be difficult for me to support us, you know, taking that

[0:37:08] on,

[0:37:09] Voice 11: the CRD, the trust itself could actually take it on.

[0:37:15] Voice 11: But again, for a single agency to step in, or even a couple of local agencies to step

[0:37:20] Voice 11: in without senior government support is fraught with peril.

[0:37:24] Voice 11: There are local governments with much larger, much greater capacity than we are that have

[0:37:30] Voice 11: have not done it. That includes Central Saanich and Birtwood Bay and Saanich Inlet, precisely

[0:37:36] Voice 11: because the province was nowhere to be seen to ask for support on the initiative. Just

[0:37:43] Voice 11: on housing, it's not a CRD or trust matter necessarily, but it certainly is important

[0:37:50] Voice 11: in terms of the housing issue, and that's the North Salt Spring Formatorium. They are

[0:37:55] Voice 11: They're having an ATM in May the 2nd, where I think and hope they will be making some

[0:38:01] Voice 11: announcements about their ongoing review of the moratorium.

[0:38:05] Voice 11: And as I think most know, they received kind of out of the blue $10 million from the promise

[0:38:12] to

[0:38:12] Voice 11: raise the weir on St. Mary's Lake, which could have significant implications for that

[0:38:16] Voice 11: moratorium.

[0:38:17] Voice 11: If the moratorium were relaxed or lifted, it would have a huge implication in terms

[0:38:22] Voice 11: in terms of the cost and the complication

[0:38:26] Voice 11: of getting affordable housing done

[0:38:28] Voice 11: within their service area.

[0:38:29] Voice 11: And that includes students and part of this,

[0:38:32] Voice 11: the trust has already resolved within their service area,

[0:38:36] Voice 11: but have been blocked by the moratorium.

[0:38:39] Voice 11: So I'll be going to that meeting and I look forward,

[0:38:41] Voice 11: in fact, they're having elections,

[0:38:43] Voice 11: they'll be announcing their new trustees at the meeting.

[0:38:47] Voice 11: So fingers crossed for some positive announcements

[0:38:52] Voice 11: since there and i guess the last thing i did want to mention and again around collaboration uh

[0:38:58] Voice 11: we did have a meeting uh convened uh by jason yeomanshire contract planner to bring

[0:39:07] Voice 11: the kind of the key partners of swip it together to talk about the way forward

[0:39:12] Voice 11: uh there wasn't consensus on the way forward i am disappointed that the trust seems to have

[0:39:19] Voice 11: It was well-established. It certainly had its faults. I think it lacks strategic focus,

[0:39:29] Voice 11: but we do now have a strategic plan for SWPA that actually assigns homework. So we need

[0:39:38] Voice 11: to continue those discussions. We absolutely do need water on Saltspring by its nature

[0:39:45] Voice 11: is an interagency issue,

[0:39:47] Voice 11: not just because of fragmented

[0:39:49] Voice 11: beverage, but the province

[0:39:51] Voice 11: owns fresh water. North

[0:39:52] Voice 11: Sulphurine is a separate entity, despite

[0:39:55] Voice 11: CRD's best attempts to

[0:39:56] Voice 11: get it to convert to a CRD entity.

[0:39:59] Voice 11: They're still a separate entity.

[0:40:01] Voice 11: Single largest water utility

[0:40:02] Voice 11: in the Salt Spring, hugely

[0:40:04] Voice 11: significant for a whole number of reasons.

[0:40:07] Voice 11: The CRD

[0:40:08] Voice 11: and the Trust, and each

[0:40:10] Voice 11: of those agencies have their jurisdictions

[0:40:12] Voice 11: and

[0:40:13] Voice 11: And it's by nature an interagency creature that somehow needs to continue.

[0:40:23] Voice 11: Who oversees it, who convenes it, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:40:28] Voice 11: We'll have to have continued discussions about that.

[0:40:31] Voice 11: We definitely need some kind of interagency effort there, as we have had the last, I don't know, 10 years or so.

[0:40:40] So discussions to continue.

[0:40:46] Voice 3: I just wanted to follow up so I want to make sure the record is clear on SWPA hasn't been

[0:40:51] Voice 3: abandoned that the plan is being implemented through a staffing model where the staff are

[0:40:58] Voice 3: from the inter agencies are meeting their staff are on their way to plan a SWPA meeting

[0:41:05] Voice 3: to talk and how to do the kind of annual or whatever that is the big tent is our full

[0:41:12] Voice 3: holdings to refer to it how all organizations come together to have input into the process

[0:41:18] Voice 3: on a regular basis so we are and our the project charter made it clear we are not abandoning the

[0:41:23] Voice 3: rule of coordinating that work until there is some form of replacement so there's there hasn't been

[0:41:29] Voice 3: an abandonment they're just going to shift

[0:41:30] Voice 11: to a staffing moment thank you for that all right uh

[0:41:37] Voice 11: So next, thank you, Mr. Rupp and Mr. Holman for coming in this morning here.

[0:41:44] Voice 11: Definitely a good aspect for us to hear directly from each other and towards further collaboration.

[0:41:54] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:41:56] Voice 11: So next up, we have Section 8.

[0:41:59] Voice 11: We have minutes of the draft minutes of the February 27th special meeting for Dr. Rupp.

[0:42:10] Voice 11: the documents i

[0:42:11] Voice 3: don't have any concerns with the minutes as they're written but there we probably

[0:42:15] Voice 3: should have made a motion at that meeting because there's mention in the beta in

[0:42:21] Voice 11: the minutes about

[0:42:23] Voice 11: asking the regional planning committee to see if they can quantify agricultural support and housing

[0:42:31] Voice 11: as part of the housing assessments that were coming up it's not a type

[0:42:35] Voice 3: of housing that could

[0:42:35] Voice 3: be counted differently um so uh how do we get that conversation so i can even make a resolution that

[0:42:43] Voice 3: we make that we recommend that request separate from the middle of the minutes

[0:42:51] Voice 11: um then so on the on the minutes themselves don't like those concerns so uh i'll figure

[0:42:59] Voice 11: otherwise i'll take it by general consent that those minutes be adopted as presented

[0:43:04] Voice 11: and

[0:43:05] Voice 3: then

[0:43:06] Voice 11: go right ahead um

[0:43:08] Voice 3: i would have done the salting on local trust committee recommend

[0:43:11] Voice 3: to the regional planning committee that it includes quantifying housing support agriculture

[0:43:16] Voice 11: within the housing needs assessments so moved second that yes okay

[0:43:24] Voice 8: movement is seconded

[0:43:25] Voice 11: no all

[0:43:29] Voice 8: right then i'll call the question all in favor and any opposed carries

[0:43:38] Voice 8: uh next up we have the draft minutes of the march 7th regular meeting

[0:43:42] Voice 11: for adoption any

[0:43:44] Voice 11: uh amendments to those main minutes yes they're working

[0:43:48] Voice 3: um and i've already sent them to sarah so

[0:43:51] Voice 11: she can see them but

[0:43:51] Voice 11: um page

[0:43:53] Voice 3: 31 under trustee retorts in the fourth bullet um it said that

[0:43:58] Voice 3: the project charter was given to the executive committee that was given to trust council

[0:44:02] Voice 3: Council.

[0:44:03] Voice 11: So it should read a project charter to trust council.

[0:44:06] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:44:08] Voice 11: On page 36,

[0:44:10] Voice 3: section 1.1, the project terms of reference, fourth bullet

[0:44:17] Voice 3: on page 36, so

[0:44:19] Voice 3: the trustee expressed support for super land analysis. But it should also add at the end

[0:44:26] Voice 3: of that sentence that is customized to Salt Spring Island and developed in a transparent

[0:44:30] Voice 3: parent engaged manner. So that's what we talked about.

[0:44:33] Voice 11: Okay. On

[0:44:36] Voice 9: page

[0:44:36] Voice 11: 37, section 14.3, first bullet. I wanted it. I

[0:44:45] Voice 3: was very clear chain needs to add that. And I wrote that letter as an individual trustee. I read that at that meeting. So that reads trustee Patrick reporting that she sent a letter as an individual trustee to

[0:45:00] Voice 3: the sale and then one more change yes um in that same sentence it said that the ltc received 150

[0:45:10] Voice 3: 000 that was highland's trust that received

[0:45:14] Voice 11: 150 000 correct yeah okay uh trustee harris

[0:45:26] Voice 11: uh can i take it by general consent then the minutes be adopted as amended

[0:45:30] Voice 11: seeing any dissent from that okay uh we should take it as that um next up we go we have no

[0:45:42] Voice 11: resolution about meeting report nor advisory planning commission minutes nor public hearing

[0:45:49] Voice 11: so we have correspondence in section 9 starting at page 40 uh are there any items in the

[0:45:56] Voice 11: correspondence uh trustees would like to raise for discussion or action justin patrick i would

[0:46:05] Voice 3: But on 9.4, the Southern Gulf Island Forum had invited ministry staff to come to one of our meetings to talk about what their intentions were with Bill 35, the Short-Term Rental Accommodation Act.

[0:46:19] Voice 3: They did not agree to come to one of our meetings and sent a nice email saying, please send your questions to this email address.

[0:46:25] Voice 3: rest so I did send on the question which I had only given to Adam Olson's staff in preparation

[0:46:33] Voice 3: to the meeting my question was can a local trust committee choose what islands within a local trust

[0:46:39] Voice 3: area are to be included within the request to opt in we have 33 islands in our group

[0:46:50] Voice 3: And I was not surprised by the answer as I was expecting the answer that we got and it's no, we have to opt in to higher jurisdiction. So, Pierce Island, Secret Island, all these other islands would have to be opted in if we opted in.

[0:47:05] Voice 3: um this is also closely related to special tax requisition piers island for example is not happy

[0:47:14] Voice 3: about being included in a special tax requisition that applies to salt spring so uh i know that that

[0:47:21] Voice 3: item sits on the follow-up action list of the financial planning committee but it's buried

[0:47:27] Voice 3: somewhere there and i know

[0:47:28] Voice 3: the piers island residents are uh did hold a meeting recently

[0:47:32] Voice 3: with animals and still expressing their not happiness of being included in that so i don't

[0:47:40] Voice 3: know what the answer that chris and i have talked about this one around in circles um my concern is

[0:47:48] Voice 3: that we have bill 35 there's a lot more legislation coming from this provincial government on housing

[0:47:54] Voice 3: i wouldn't be surprised if we see more opt-in type of clauses in these con in these

[0:48:02] Voice 3: legislation and it's it puts us in a difficult position where salt spring has is so different

[0:48:08] Voice 3: from prevailing peers that we should be able to cut you know apply to just salt spring like we

[0:48:16] Voice 3: can have ocp for salt spring and ocp for beers but we you know it

[0:48:21] Voice 3: would be nice if we could split

[0:48:22] Voice 3: that up so i had talked about you know one one idea is we have them adjust the boundaries like

[0:48:29] Voice 3: that the electoral area boundary and the salt spring boundary are the same that's a possibility

[0:48:34] Voice 3: or there's some raised up through staff yesterday was followed one of the legislation

[0:48:39] Voice 3: provides a mechanism to do that too so um i don't know what would be the best

[0:48:44] Voice 3: how we could there's some advocacy that needs to be done what the nature of the advocacy is

[0:48:51] Voice 3: is a question whether we're asking for boundaries or legislative um mechanisms to allow us to

[0:48:57] Voice 3: to to break it up so i i guess i looked to step is there a preference on how i

[0:49:04] Voice 11: think there's that

[0:49:05] Voice 11: one that's probably just shared with you i think there's probably some analysis that you've done

[0:49:10] Voice 11: here there's a few options available um it's probably best if you each understand that

[0:49:15] Voice 11: the pros and cons of those approaches of the request um you've got a bit of time

[0:49:20] to work with them

[0:49:20] Voice 11: and put a reason later on what we've asked um working with director frederick

[0:49:28] Voice 11: yesterday um she also pointed out uh consideration as well so i'm happy if uh lpc wants to make a

[0:49:35] Voice 11: resolution to to um report back on this and look into what kind of option um you could look into

[0:49:44] there's certainly probably a few approaches today

[0:49:46] Voice 11: um one of the biggest challenges is probably

[0:49:51] Voice 11: asking for the province to invest in a boundary review for example it's a significant amount of

[0:49:56] Voice 11: effort and the consequence of uh short-term rentals understanding that it is a significant concern but

[0:50:02] Voice 11: um it may not be given all the other work the problem is doing right now they may not see it as

[0:50:08] Voice 11: being the best exactly how they take that however they may go over often maybe out of the products

[0:50:16] that would get us to the same point uh which if i understand uh the trust table um gives a desire to

[0:50:24] have a bit more leeway in how you

[0:50:27] Voice 11: how and where specifically in gary and regulate um and that's

[0:50:32] Voice 11: a that's something that we can take away to report backwards what the best approach would be to

[0:50:38] Voice 11: request the trust council it ultimately seems that it's a request to trust council to advocate for

[0:50:44] Voice 11: this yeah yeah

[0:50:46] Voice 8: i appreciate that and then certainly uh um salt spring is not the only

[0:50:51] Voice 8: uh local trust area who

[0:50:52] Voice 11: has uh these issues and piece meals it doesn't make sense when you have

[0:50:58] Voice 11: the common issues with other islands with their associated islands and and these issues of things

[0:51:05] Voice 11: apply to the whole uh in the entire trust uh areas um certainly uh entertain a motion if you have

[0:51:12] Voice 11: Do you have something prepared?

[0:51:14] Voice 11: Well,

[0:51:14] Voice 3: I did, but not

[0:51:15] Voice 3: to have a boundary questions prepared.

[0:51:19] Voice 3: So I will wing it right now and then modify that.

[0:51:26] Voice 3: So that the Salt Spring Island

[0:51:27] Voice 3: Local Trust Committee requests

[0:51:28] Voice 3: staff to provide options in exercising the local trust

[0:51:34] Voice 3: committee's legislative authorities within,

[0:51:42] Voice 11: then uh maybe just in reference maybe just in reference to the correspondence in item 9.4

[0:51:52] Voice 11: work does that work first yeah in order to you know that item um probably future legislative

[0:51:59] Voice 11: acts i mean i think some of this custom legislation that's coming out is really

[0:52:03] Voice 11: yeah um if you want if they're giving you a new tool that you can do a tool that's versatile enough

[0:52:09] Voice 11: to be

[0:52:09] Voice 3: used exactly that's the point is about the future that this is just one one example

[0:52:16] Voice 11: then that then we'd be bringing um bringing a request uh to trust council for trust councils

[0:52:24] Voice 11: yeah yeah um but there's some there's it sounds like there's some possibility we can

[0:52:30] Voice 11: get something into this committee in may that we might be able to get to dress council in june

[0:52:35] Voice 11: which would be fantastic i also appreciate that so moved thank you sure please

[0:52:41] Voice 11: uh that

[0:52:43] Voice 11: the Salisbury Highlands Local Trust Committee request staff to provide options in regarding

[0:52:49] Voice 11: exercising the LTC authorities regarding correspondence for Ministry of Housing

[0:52:57] Voice 11: and I think in the future

[0:53:05] Voice 11: and potential future legislation yeah

[0:53:20] Voice 11: So I'll take that as a moved, and I hear from staff that's sufficient direction this time, so that's great.

[0:53:29] I'll look for a seconder.

[0:53:31] Voice 11: Moved and seconded. Further discussion?

[0:53:34] Voice 11: I just add that it's important work, and I hope that we can get somewhere with it.

[0:53:40] Voice 11: So with that, I'll call the question.

[0:53:42] Voice 8: All those in favour?

[0:53:44] Voice 8: And any opposed? No? Okay, motion carries. Thank you for that.

[0:53:49] Voice 8: uh we have no community information or public hearing today um

[0:53:55] Voice 11: we're already in applications

[0:53:56] Voice 11: and referrals um sorry what section

[0:54:01] Voice 8: 10 oh i missed

[0:54:03] Voice 8: section 10 business horizon for minutes

[0:54:05] Voice 8: uh so yes we have a follow-up action list uh anything from staff on the follow-up action list

[0:54:10] Voice 8: okay

[0:54:12] Voice 11: uh yes i'm just gonna i'm just quick to warn it says a bit about the meeting

[0:54:19] Voice 11: um so just on the fuel mr chair um so we've been we have been working with the crd

[0:54:26] Voice 11: staff to get that that crd ltc meeting going so you've probably gotten a deal about that at this

[0:54:32] Voice 11: point um i did want to relate to you that um this morning actually um chair luckham has uh has

[0:54:38] looked

[0:54:39] Voice 11: at a final review of the letter to say of first nation regarding the ltc's last

[0:54:45] Voice 11: last month about a meeting and a follow-up letter on that so um in the intro we had a

[0:54:51] Voice 11: chance to meet with the new lands manager at seo and discuss this matter in greater depth

[0:54:58] Voice 11: just to provide a little orientation as well that was my first time meeting that new staff member

[0:55:04] Voice 11: as well so that was a really constructive conversation and um so we're we're looking

[0:55:10] Voice 11: to get that letter coming out later today uh additionally uh in that conversation with the

[0:55:16] Voice 11: management manager um they can indicate that um say

[0:55:20] Voice 10: i have a standing uh resolution to direct

[0:55:24] their staff to entering into uh

[0:55:27] Voice 11: mous for uh relationships so that is something that we

[0:55:33] Voice 11: could start if lcc wants to request that staff initiate the process of developing an mou with

[0:55:40] to say application for for lvc consideration um it might be helpful for you in advance of that

[0:55:47] meeting to have some some understanding of a draft going into that as well

[0:56:02] Voice 11: okay uh anything questions or clarity from trustees

[0:56:09] Voice 11: yes i

[0:56:11] Voice 3: appreciate that i mean we passed that motion back february 23

[0:56:16] Voice 3: three for a year ago and he requested staff to explore options to enter into interim protocols

[0:56:22] Voice 11: for meeting the goals of respectful engagement between the

[0:56:26] Voice 11: ltc and we had said sanic leadership

[0:56:30] Voice 11: council which we had thought i could say out at that time and

[0:56:32] Voice 3: the couch nation which includes

[0:56:34] Voice 3: a number of nations um so we've already asked to explore so do we need to make another motion or is

[0:56:46] Voice 3: is just to report back on this resolution as it stands for at least one of the nations

[0:56:52] Voice 11: um it is it's an opportunity coming out of one of these nations from one nation um given given

[0:56:59] Voice 11: a circumstance that our business essentially we have had recent conversations that we've been

[0:57:04] forming storming and norming with the ocp led project that we've talked about later on today

[0:57:10] uh we've had some conversations with a local um with the first nations consultant who has been

[0:57:16] working for the island's trust um and that that's mostly consistent with getting our heads around

[0:57:21] uh the the tapestry of the first nation's territory interest that we have um and the issues

[0:57:28] that salt school faces we're we're mapping that out and

[0:57:31] Voice 11: one of the things that uh mr yoke will

[0:57:34] Voice 11: be talking about this afternoon um some early outreach to membership and all that so we'll

[0:57:40] Voice 11: have that conversation so we'll be happy but that that motion is more or less we've agreed

[0:57:46] Voice 11: The OCD value process, and we are looking to accelerate the first part of it while we're getting going on the whiteboard that I like.

[0:57:58] Voice 11: So that didn't answer

[0:58:00] Voice 3: my question. Do

[0:58:00] Voice 11: you need another

[0:58:01] Voice 3: motion then to explore the sale, entering something for sale?

[0:58:05] Voice 11: That would be helpful. I think the way that motion reads is there are four opportunities.

[0:58:09] Voice 11: So I think through exploration we found this opportunity and it's it's an opportunity that that trust LPC can can request that that's the process.

[0:58:22] Voice 11: So a motion would be about pursuing an opportunity to enter a memo to create or develop an

[0:58:32] Voice 3: MOU with the local trust committee or is it with the trust council?

[0:58:38] Voice 10: Well, actually, I

[0:58:39] Voice 11: was actually really heartened to hear that perspective from what I've heard.

[0:58:46] Widely, there's an interest in say out in having a general MOU with the trust.

[0:58:50] However, recognizing the interest

[0:58:53] Voice 11: in the trust and our relationship is probably the scaling of the issues we're working with.

[0:58:59] Voice 11: there certainly is an opportunity for a more specific targeted mou that maybe uh maybe more

[0:59:05] in the interim uh

[0:59:06] Voice 11: shortly should we make a motion or do you want to suggest certainly if you if

[0:59:17] Voice 11: you'd like to just request that um staff work with the staff at nation to develop a a memorandum of

[0:59:24] Voice 11: understanding um and report that to for that certainly you got to start that work great

[0:59:36] Voice 11: entertain a motion let's see sarah typing away here so oh okay

[0:59:46] Voice 11: perfectly without sarah i wouldn't i wouldn't move it directly from my mouth

[0:59:51] Voice 11: to share okay um that the salt spring island local trust committee directs staff to work

[1:00:00] Voice 11: would say a first nation to develop staff to develop a new realm of understanding and report

[1:00:10] Voice 11: back to the ftc i'm willing to make a second for conversation yeah okay uh so moved and seconded

[1:00:19] Voice 11: um further discussion yeah next year's specifics on the memorandum of understanding

[1:00:28] Voice 11: well i would assume that that's something that would we we did ask for some reporting

[1:00:33] Voice 11: reporting back from staff and uh our staff working with the sales staff would

[1:00:37] Voice 11: bring

[1:00:38] Voice 8: us back um once

[1:00:39] Voice 8: specifics are available at the time of the reporting is it so it's not sure that um the

[1:00:44] intention here would be to report back prior to the entrance into this discussion agreement would

[1:00:49] be

[1:00:49] Voice 11: subject to LTC's consideration so and primarily it is um sort of a thing broadly and this would be

[1:00:57] Voice 11: uh uh an agreement of both parties of how they'll engage uh various commitments but not necessarily

[1:01:04] Voice 11: um binding or stripping um so it is really just a a relational agreement

[1:01:12] what

[1:01:13] Voice 11: type of questions would you be asking um primarily it would be um how will we will

[1:01:22] Voice 11: engage with who and when. So that might include commitments like that the chair will engage the chief frequently.

[1:01:31] Voice 11: Yeah, it's, they do have standard language, so it's a standard language.

[1:01:38] Voice 11: The scope of the MOU could apply on the OCPWB by-law project, or it could apply more broadly to general relationships going forward.

[1:01:49] Voice 11: other MOUs included things like you know what we will and will not refer to First Nations so

[1:01:56] Voice 11: having some sort of standing understanding you know that that varies by personation some have

[1:02:02] Voice 11: a very limited amount of staff and don't have time for

[1:02:06] Voice 11: development applications and some have a really keen interest in what's going on

[1:02:13] Voice 11: and those those MOUs you know I think the benefit here is probably that

[1:02:18] Voice 11: you

[1:02:19] Voice 10: know two parties agree it provides a great deal of clarity and efficiency for the staff

[1:02:23] support organization and when

[1:02:26] Voice 11: it comes to questions of you know was this process fair

[1:02:30] Voice 11: compliance with that mou provides us with an ability to really each side has a very good

[1:02:34] Voice 11: clarity of that to that question without becoming more conflicted so why is this only with the cell

[1:02:42] Voice 11: So, the opportunity right now presents itself given that they have been highly engaged with

[1:02:50] Voice 11: the Salt Spring Islands First Nations, particularly over the island of Haiti by-law consideration.

[1:02:58] As we go forward, we are reaching out to the other leaders of First Nations, that's what

[1:03:03] we'll be talking about this afternoon, to talk about how to engage with the other First

[1:03:09] nations uh in terms of their interest in the mous um but essentially you know both parties do need

[1:03:15] to be willing to explore this opportunity to move it forward i have a hard time just centering out

[1:03:22] Voice 11: one first nation with an mou we have the close sales people salisbury society they've ever been

[1:03:32] Voice 11: sent an mou where we have to try to get into the mou with them

[1:03:38] Voice 11: seems very troublesome to me, I wouldn't be able to support it.

[1:03:45] Voice 11: I don't think the LTC needs to meet with First Nations when these things come on, what's

[1:03:54] Voice 11: happening with 537.

[1:03:56] Voice 11: But if that's going to happen, it needs to be the LTC as a whole, and it can't just be

[1:04:06] because there's a quorum, so

[1:04:08] Voice 11: it needs to be public, publicly, so either here or, you know,

[1:04:16] Voice 11: what are the other options? I'm definitely not in favor of saying that. To me, it's just

[1:04:23] Voice 11: insulting to all the rest of the First Nations, including all of us. The ridiculousness of

[1:04:28] Voice 11: this procedure, I'm not in favor.

[1:04:33] Voice 11: well i would just uh go back to staff and to trusted patrick but um

[1:04:39] Voice 11: um my

[1:04:41] Voice 8: understanding is that uh when when you're working with first nations uh different nations

[1:04:45] Voice 8: have have different uh sort of expectations and desires on on how how they want to uh

[1:04:52] Voice 8: to work with uh groups like like a local trust committee and uh uh in most i think maybe i'll

[1:05:03] Voice 8: avoid saying most in many cases um they prefer to uh to have those individual

[1:05:09] Voice 11: um agreements with

[1:05:11] Voice 11: with a body like the local trust committee uh because in fact that they prefer not to be

[1:05:20] Voice 11: lumped together um since they all have inter individual interests and stuff so i'll just

[1:05:25] Voice 11: i'll just go back to uh just patrick you had your hand up well i i somewhat enjoyed

[1:05:33] Voice 11: aspects of uh what you said um because that was our emotion our motion was to look at

[1:05:39] Voice 11: protocol agreements with senate

[1:05:42] Voice 3: stations the cowichan nations which are several

[1:05:45] Voice 3: bands over there and and the local indigenous organization and that was a year ago and i do

[1:05:52] Voice 3: know that island stress has had challenges to the staff that have been available to help support

[1:05:57] Voice 3: this so i think we're going to hear more this afternoon because we have that other motion

[1:06:01] Voice 3: where we said allocate funding and go get someone to help us do these agreements because it's going

[1:06:06] Voice 3: to take time it's going to take effort and we haven't put energy into this so i i would like

[1:06:11] Voice 3: to see agreements with as many nations as possible and the local

[1:06:16] Voice 11: indigenous organizations so that we

[1:06:17] Voice 11: can create that clarity the only way i can be in favor of a motion like that is that it includes

[1:06:24] Voice 11: all the personations including the coast sales people salt spring society there's there's no

[1:06:30] Voice 11: other way um it's debating one over the other and we know what's going on it's how and ngos lobbying

[1:06:42] Voice 11: being about 5 30. it's clear um so and if we just have to look at the silos ocp or ccp

[1:06:55] Voice 11: and it states in there and they talk about um the reservation the reservation at fulford

[1:07:03] Voice 11: and how uh infrastructure is in the same paragraph and roads so yeah

[1:07:18] Voice 8: i would just

[1:07:18] Voice 8: reiterate that that to work from uh you know choosing to make uh um work

[1:07:25] Voice 11: towards a memorandum

[1:07:27] Voice 11: of understanding with one is not not excluding uh any other and i think that i

[1:07:32] Voice 8: agree with trustee

[1:07:33] Voice 8: patrick we do want to we do want to reach out to all of the first nations and the and the local

[1:07:41] Voice 8: the local group as well um i don't i don't see this as as being excluding that i think it's it's

[1:07:49] one step one step of many and as uh trustee patrick

[1:07:53] Voice 8: uh you mentioned the previous motion

[1:07:57] Voice 8: um it's certainly it's convenient for us where we have uh groups like the leadership council

[1:08:04] Voice 8: to where we can essentially approach a number of nations uh through one um one organization but

[1:08:11] that's not always the case so and uh in terms of

[1:08:15] Voice 11: staff staff capacity i don't know that we can

[1:08:18] Voice 11: expect um uh simultaneous i'll make sure they're thinking about all the groups at once but uh

[1:08:26] Voice 11: look to staff there's anything different than that well mr chair

[1:08:30] Voice 8: let me hear a few things i mean

[1:08:31] Voice 11: I mean, to speak directly to what you just said, I think that it's, we're going to do

[1:08:37] Voice 11: this outreach, if LPC supports that this afternoon, we could start on that right away, the outreach

[1:08:44] part, and that's something that, you know, we had an early discussion with the First

[1:08:49] Nation consultant that they've said this is,

[1:08:52] Voice 11: you know, given where you're at in the

[1:08:55] Voice 11: project, it is definitely time, and what we've heard from First Nation in the past is that

[1:08:58] Voice 11: like five or two people to do that leadership outreach. So you'll be able to do that in staff meetings when it goes.

[1:09:04] Voice 11: Now, but what I am hearing is that maybe there's a sense that, you know, you've got a letter going up today

[1:09:12] Voice 11: that's going to be asking for a meeting of the LPC and the sale and circulation leadership.

[1:09:19] Voice 11: There's a sense that you're not ready to start the conversation about an MOU here today.

[1:09:23] You could wait until after that meeting. I don't know if that's going to happen next week or, you know, in a month or two, depending on the way that the meeting is going to be held.

[1:09:35] Voice 11: But that process is going to happen. So you have that option to wait for now until after you find out how you're going to discuss the potential for an MOU.

[1:09:47] you uh in the meantime that would put it sort of in the same pacing and again not to predetermine

[1:09:53] your your discussion this afternoon um but of course we're reaching out to other leadership

[1:09:57] Voice 11: um they don't just put it in the same timing as um the other information that you'd like to put

[1:10:07] Voice 11: um i would just i don't even know if i need to argue the point but sending an um you know

[1:10:16] Voice 11: asking to engage in an mou one first nations is excluding the other first nations if you're not

[1:10:25] Voice 11: saying to all and just to one then we're excluding the other side it doesn't this is um difficult for

[1:10:32] Voice 11: me to understand how it could not be excluding again i have to emphasize meeting the ltc meeting

[1:10:39] Voice 11: with any first nation needs to be in public so either they're invited to come here or the whole

[1:10:47] Voice 11: ltc and staff and cameras go somewhere else i don't i have no idea how that's supposed to

[1:10:54] Voice 11: look but under robert's rules and uh and all that kind of thing and we're discussing

[1:11:03] Voice 11: violence um it needs to be done in public so i would hope that's taken into consideration i

[1:11:09] Voice 11: think it wasn't taken into consideration in the past but i still cannot support this motion

[1:11:20] Voice 11: We need to develop protocol agreements with 13 nations and a local organization.

[1:11:25] Voice 11: So this offer has come up, I say move, our chance of meeting the nation don't come when

[1:11:31] Voice 11: that's coming.

[1:11:31] Voice 11: They may be more inclined to

[1:11:33] Voice 3: meet with us when they

[1:11:34] Voice 11: know that we're willing to discuss

[1:11:35] Voice 11: it.

[1:11:36] Voice 11: So I say move forward

[1:11:38] Voice 11: and we'll be talking this afternoon about the opportunities to

[1:11:43] Voice 11: meet with all the others.

[1:11:45] Voice 11: I would like to move.

[1:11:49] Voice 8: yeah i i mean i tend to agree we're not we're we're not committing to any

[1:11:53] Voice 8: terms um by expressing that we're open to this um those would those

[1:12:00] Voice 11: would come back as we discussed

[1:12:01] Voice 11: earlier uh reporting and i think uh i

[1:12:07] Voice 8: think at some level we do have to do some individual work

[1:12:09] Voice 8: um respecting the

[1:12:11] Voice 11: individuality of each of these different uh first nations organizations uh

[1:12:21] Voice 11: I find it very interesting that we just want to engage in an MOU with First Nation that

[1:12:27] Voice 11: is objecting to housing that our community needs for survival, while that same First

[1:12:32] Voice 11: Nation is engaged in heavy, densely market housing being added to the tune of almost

[1:12:39] Voice 11: 200 acres on their land.

[1:12:41] Voice 11: So if you look at it in comparison to what we're doing, it's about the same amount of

[1:12:46] Voice 11: housing that we need here and we're not even touching the surface of getting to that amount

[1:12:50] Voice 11: with bylaw 530 or clearly not with 537 and so i find it interesting that we're wanting to engage

[1:13:00] Voice 11: with this and yet we've got all these other groups that are fine with our community having

[1:13:06] Voice 11: housing for uh that we need to survive we have a workforce ownership housing crisis and yet we're

[1:13:12] Voice 11: just engaging with this one it's something is a skew you and we know that this organization has

[1:13:18] Voice 11: been lobbying clearly by some sort of NGOs from the language that we've seen coming so unless

[1:13:26] Voice 11: we're sending it out to all then I I cannot be in favor of this I will oppose it and if I can

[1:13:36] Voice 11: please have my opposition noted for the reason I do not want to pursue it through any other

[1:13:40] Voice 11: for things all right um uh if i could uh just clarify the only reason that this is coming up

[1:13:51] Voice 11: because um the congress reputation of abu is the response and the discussion we've had

[1:13:58] Voice 11: uh in the uh march ltc meeting to discuss um to have a sit down was to the follow-up that's and

[1:14:08] Voice 11: And I didn't ask for this.

[1:14:10] Voice 11: This was something that said, hey, by the way,

[1:14:14] Voice 11: I have the latitude if you want to go that road.

[1:14:17] Voice 11: So step back and see if we can move this forward.

[1:14:21] So it's

[1:14:23] Voice 11: something that I'm aware that we have an outstanding

[1:14:27] Voice 11: work out of board.

[1:14:28] Voice 11: But I'm glad that I brought it back to you,

[1:14:33] Voice 11: because this does seem like something

[1:14:35] Voice 11: think that that there is discussion and clear direction from lbc whether or not that procedure

[1:14:40] Voice 11: is fine uh any further on the motion yes thank you um i realize why this is happening now um

[1:15:02] Voice 11: and unfortunately this is a mess that was created by a meeting that happened last summer

[1:15:10] Voice 11: which seems to be right under the rug um i still i won't be able to support this uh

[1:15:21] Voice 11: well i'm a bit offended by that this has nothing to do with the meeting from last summer

[1:15:26] Voice 11: he rushed under the rug saying it's about building relationships that

[1:15:31] Voice 3: was the purpose of that meeting

[1:15:33] Voice 3: and i'm glad that stocks continue to be this is just one nation we have a lot of work to do

[1:15:37] Voice 3: all of them so this is an opportunity that's come up we're taking advantage of an opportunity

[1:15:42] Voice 3: opportunity and hopefully take advantage times 13. um so this is just an opportunity the timing has

[1:15:50] Voice 3: come so let's go I

[1:15:54] Voice 11: would just have to say that this does have everything to do with what happened

[1:15:58] Voice 11: last summer and your previous and all the rest and this isn't fine okay uh anything further on

[1:16:10] Voice 8: on the motion okay i'm going to call the question then all those in favor and those opposed

[1:16:19] Voice 11: i'm actually not officially noted that i do not wish to exclude all the other

[1:16:23] Voice 11: first nations that are available that we generally refer on the motions carry yes

[1:16:34] Voice 8: can

[1:16:35] Voice 11: we make sure that that references that standing the other uh result i don't know

[1:16:39] Voice 11: what that resolution number is that can just be found that uh february 23 open that refers

[1:16:45] first to entering into

[1:16:46] Voice 11: a staff exploring office of all local stations so that we have the minutes

[1:16:50] Voice 11: are clear that we are not excluding okay

[1:16:59] Voice 8: we're ready to move on to 10.2 now uh we have a

[1:17:06] Voice 8: uh special

[1:17:08] Voice 11: meeting schedule for a decision on page 102 and coming to us from mr pingel today

[1:17:19] Voice 11: day um any explanation required here it's just a follow-up on previous work and i just need a

[1:17:31] Voice 11: resolution i find it easier to do it in a meeting and through email and resolution without me so

[1:17:38] the recommendation is stated uh all parties are anchors cross still interested and available when

[1:17:48] we started this conversation uh

[1:17:50] Voice 11: but that's the uh recommendation that resolution that needs to be

[1:17:54] Voice 11: passed for me to hold that thing okay this is

[1:17:58] Voice 8: specifically about

[1:17:59] Voice 11: the agricultural advisory

[1:18:01] Voice 11: planning commission correct and this was not contemplating anything else all right

[1:18:05] Voice 11: i

[1:18:08] Voice 3: moved at the southbound local trust committee request staff to schedule an electronic special

[1:18:15] Voice 3: special meeting at 5 p.m. on Thursday, May 30th.

[1:18:21] Voice 8: So moved,

[1:18:22] Voice 11: seconded, further discussion?

[1:18:26] Voice 11: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[1:18:28] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:18:31] Voice 11: And motion carries.

[1:18:34] Voice 11: And then that brings us to page 103,

[1:18:42] Voice 11: standing resolution regarding short-term vacation rentals.

[1:18:46] Voice 11: And we have a staff report from Mr. Digman.

[1:18:51] Voice 11: Please go ahead, sir.

[1:18:52] Voice 11: morning

[1:18:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair um what i've uh prepared and i'm presenting to the local trust committee

[1:19:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: uh i think is really a complete update regarding our short-term vacation rental work

[1:19:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on salt spring island um provided a committee with a recommended resolution to rescind the

[1:19:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the current standing resolution regarding proactive enforcement

[1:19:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on short-term vacation rentals.

[1:19:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And really, in summary, I believe we've done the work that we can

[1:19:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: through a proactive campaign for short-term vacation rentals.

[1:19:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We've gone through all the listings,

[1:19:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and we're really down now to a core group of well less than 100.

[1:19:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There's approximately 80 files still open that we would, of course,

[1:19:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: pursue and although some of those are for seasonal cottages and if the local trust committee moves

[1:20:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: forward with the alternative resolutions today there would be no further enforcement on the

[1:20:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: seasonal cottages but really we've done i feel we've done the work that we can

[1:20:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: proactively and there is other work that needs to be done on salt spring island other files you

[1:20:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have hundreds of files and so i think staff resources should be allocated to try and getting

[1:20:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: these other files closed at this time but there is the alternative here where the local trust

[1:20:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: committee can continue with a proactive short-term vacation rental enforcement

[1:20:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in a slightly revised manner and that's stated in the alternatives you know really it's looking at

[1:20:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: those operations where there's no residential use on the lot in other words you know the owner

[1:21:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: operators absent from the property you know there's accessory buildings being used sheds

[1:21:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: whatnot anything other than a lawful seasonal cottage they could still pursue and you know if

[1:21:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there's health and safety concerns on the property concerns about sewage disposal or other

[1:21:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: nuisance issues then you know we would pursue those through a proactive policy and prioritize

[1:21:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: them in the manner that specified in the alternative resolution so but the the recommendation for me

[1:21:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: right now is to rescind the original standing resolution um and basically let us get on to

[1:21:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: other work and i can take uh questions on the report okay

[1:21:48] Voice 8: thank you mr digman uh trustees any

[1:21:50] Voice 8: questions

[1:21:51] Voice 11: for mr king or comments just to catch it i'm

[1:22:01] Voice 3: i don't know if rescinding sends the right

[1:22:04] Voice 3: message or not um i think what's important is you know the residential piece that this is someone's

[1:22:14] Voice 3: home, and then the vacation rental is above and beyond that because it's helping them

[1:22:23] Voice 3: stay in their home.

[1:22:24] Voice 3: That's the particular cases that I know I'm sympathetic to, is that it's actually part

[1:22:32] Voice 3: of our affordable housing approach, where someone needs that income to afford their

[1:22:37] Voice 3: mortgage, which is, you know, the cost of living on the island is really huge.

[1:22:42] Voice 3: So that is really the people that I'm willing to turn a blind eye to right now while we work out fixing our approach to vacation rentals.

[1:22:55] Voice 3: um i i think i i worry a bit i think we need to spend some time with the with gary holman

[1:23:04] Voice 3: to understand that bill 35 is is um you know if we opt in that actually expands the

[1:23:12] Voice 3: what can be rented out not contracts um and you know there's work to do to understand that

[1:23:21] Voice 3: And that we're going to have to work with the CRD and their economic development service to approach this.

[1:23:30] Voice 3: The accommodation groups, the chamber and others, they all want to come to the table.

[1:23:35] Voice 3: They all want to work with us.

[1:23:38] Voice 3: Generally, I'm hearing really good things.

[1:23:40] Voice 3: They support the principal resident concept and the type of vacation rental use that is helpful to our community as opposed to harmful.

[1:23:52] Voice 3: and allows people to live here and be part of a functioning, diverse community.

[1:23:58] Voice 3: So we've got a lot of work to do, and we need to do it.

[1:24:03] Voice 3: I'm kind of a fan of deadlines, because we don't have a deadline to move

[1:24:08] Voice 9: on and on and on.

[1:24:10] Voice 11: We have

[1:24:11] Voice 3: another year.

[1:24:12] Voice 11: We

[1:24:12] Voice 3: can't opt in again until next year,

[1:24:17] Voice 3: And I think that might be a good deadline to have as, you know, like March 1st of next year is a deadline to try to sort out and fix the underlying regulations

[1:24:30] Voice 11: because they're not clear and causing a lot of the problems that you're experiencing.

[1:24:36] Voice 3: And they are out of date.

[1:24:38] Voice 3: The seasonal cottage is based on the 1971 definition.

[1:24:43] Voice 3: Life has changed a little bit since then.

[1:24:45] Voice 3: And our bed and breakfasts are the same thing.

[1:24:47] Voice 3: they're based on like a 1980s vintage of what a bed and breakfast is and people everything's changed

[1:24:53] Voice 3: and our regulations have not and that's what's causing you know bylaw enforcement to tie

[1:24:59] Voice 3: themselves in knots because they're trying to regulate to a set of standards that completely

[1:25:04] Voice 3: do not match what's happening out on the island so we got to fix that and we need some motivation

[1:25:12] Voice 3: to fix it. I think it's part of our land use

[1:25:16] Voice 3: OCP

[1:25:16] Voice 3: and land use bylaw. This

[1:25:17] Voice 3: is a housing

[1:25:18] Voice 3: issue. It's related.

[1:25:20] Voice 9: I

[1:25:20] Voice 3: think it's part of it.

[1:25:22] Voice 3: But the timing, we need to make sure

[1:25:24] Voice 3: we're putting attention to this. I'll talk

[1:25:26] Voice 3: about it more in the land use bylaw. I think there's

[1:25:28] Voice 3: ways we can make sure, make

[1:25:30] Voice 3: it clear that it's part of that project.

[1:25:32] Voice 3: But I don't know if we're sending

[1:25:34] Voice 3: it 100% as a solution.

[1:25:38] Voice 3: Trustee Harris.

[1:25:38] Voice 11: Trustee Harris.

[1:25:40] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[1:25:41] Voice 11: Thank you, Warren Dingman.

[1:25:45] Voice 11: Just to be clear, this recommendation is that we end proactive enforcement.

[1:25:53] Voice 11: Is that what this is about?

[1:25:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Correct.

[1:25:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: For short-term vacation rentals.

[1:25:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We still have those open files we have, and we pursue enforcement on those.

[1:26:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and would be down to basically a core group

[1:26:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that a lot of them don't have resident, say,

[1:26:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: owners, operators on the property,

[1:26:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: ones that are the most concerned, I believe,

[1:26:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to the local trust committee and the local community.

[1:26:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So those files would still be pursued,

[1:26:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: but any new certification of files

[1:26:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would be pursued by complaint only

[1:26:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if you rescind the resolution.

[1:26:35] Voice 11: Thank you for that clarification.

[1:26:39] Voice 11: And I'm really happy to hear this.

[1:26:44] Voice 11: Honestly, I would respect it.

[1:26:46] Voice 11: I'm going to make a motion and see what happens.

[1:26:48] Voice 11: I move that the Salisbury Animal Trust Committee

[1:26:50] Voice 11: rescind the standing resolution SS2019-153.

[1:26:57] Voice 11: I move to second it.

[1:27:00] Voice 11: Further discussion?

[1:27:03] Voice 11: Trustee Patrick?

[1:27:04] Voice 11: i

[1:27:04] Voice 3: would like to make one of them um and that is that we revisit this

[1:27:11] Voice 3: um decision in advance of march 1st of the next year which so that we set ourselves a

[1:27:20] Voice 3: deadline to get to work on fixing underlying issues so i'll amend the motion to add at the

[1:27:28] Voice 3: end i'm

[1:27:29] Voice 11: not in favor of it well hold on because we the the motion a motion to amend will come up

[1:27:34] Voice 11: if it's moved and seconded then we'll work on the amendment and then if the amendment passes then we

[1:27:40] Voice 11: vote on the amendment in motion if the amendment fails we go back to the original motion doesn't

[1:27:45] Voice 11: doesn't the person making the motion have to accept no not

[1:27:48] Voice 11: not an amendment it's only when

[1:27:50] Voice 11: they talk about friendly amendments which you know although we often bring that up it's not actually

[1:27:56] Voice 11: within robert's rules there is no friendly amendment there's just amendment

[1:27:59] Voice 11: so trustee patrick is proposing an amendment um you can vote against and you can speak against

[1:28:07] Voice 11: the amendment but she's perfectly she's allowed to uh propose an amendment uh sorry trustee patrick

[1:28:17] i pushed an amendment motion to um

[1:28:22] Voice 11: at the end

[1:28:24] Voice 3: of the sentence and

[1:28:26] Voice 11: review what the staff to review

[1:28:42] Voice 3: Revisit or end

[1:28:43] Voice 11: the briefly or reconsider, um, proactive, maybe enter, be considered by the March 1st.

[1:28:54] Voice 11: But does that make sense? Is that the right word? I want to be able to say something to a money.

[1:29:05] Voice 11: True to it to allow consideration of often to.

[1:29:11] Voice 11: I don't think that could be lots of reasons. Right?

[1:29:16] Voice 11: right here can i ask the uh i'm going to take her to read that up for sure

[1:29:21] Voice 11: the first motion is that the salt spring island local test committee rescind

[1:29:28] Voice 11: the standing resolution fs 2019 153 and then there's a motion to amend the motion by adding

[1:29:39] Voice 11: and reconsider proactive management by march 1st

[1:29:42] Voice 11: If I could see, if I could see if there's a chair that may, that staff would report back on options for further consideration of.

[1:30:00] Voice 11: that further that's very vital enforcement so that allows us to this seems a bit more flexible

[1:30:10] Voice 11: and then also maybe not so not so narrowly focused i'm hoping it allows you to have a bit of a better

[1:30:18] Voice 11: sense of ownership over the process that will follow to do that and provide more

[1:30:23] Voice 11: clear consent about when to and uh how he managed to it's kind of a minor project i suppose

[1:30:32] Voice 11: so um

[1:30:36] Voice 8: first i'm just going to check because uh just patrick is the mover here this just a side

[1:30:45] Voice 11: note this is sort of what's going on is is what we call like the friendly amendment

[1:30:50] Voice 11: to the amendment process it

[1:30:53] Voice 3: hasn't been seconded we're still

[1:30:55] Voice 3: trying

[1:30:57] Voice 8: to come up with the wording

[1:30:58] Voice 8: there so i i just want to i'll get you in a moment but i just want to check and address

[1:31:02] Voice 8: if you're uh if

[1:31:05] Voice 11: you're getting to the wording

[1:31:06] Voice 8: that you're attending there

[1:31:10] Voice 11: and adds a staff report back

[1:31:16] Voice 11: by march 1st it gives us a long time but um that sets the deadline okay so you've got where you

[1:31:29] Voice 11: want to can

[1:31:29] Voice 11: i get you to read it out please uh by adding the ending sentence of that staff report

[1:31:38] Voice 11: back uh on further consideration regarding proactive management of short vacation rentals

[1:31:42] Voice 11: five okay so moved as an amendment i'll second that and discussion i'm sorry

[1:31:51] Voice 11: i'm not in favor

[1:31:52] Voice 11: of the amendment i don't see the necessity of buddying this up as an ltc completely revisit

[1:31:59] Voice 11: in a year we don't have to have some deadline put on this for something to float around

[1:32:04] Voice 11: with staff let's just this is very straightforward um and we can it can be just as straightforward

[1:32:11] Voice 11: forward in a year if you want to revisit then we can just do that we don't have to have a

[1:32:15] resolution on here or um you know add it to them add it to this so i'm an unfaithful

[1:32:21] that is totally okay if you want to simply

[1:32:26] Voice 11: uh address mr dingman's your response to mr

[1:32:29] Voice 11: bigman's proposal here and uh you can consider another motion separately if that is something

[1:32:38] Voice 11: I

[1:32:39] Voice 3: think the optics are important to have it included in this, because there's a lot of

[1:32:44] Voice 3: conversation about vacation rentals on this island.

[1:32:48] Voice 3: I know a lot of the frustration that bylaw enforcement is forcing is because the existing

[1:32:52] Voice 3: roads are bad, and that's what's causing a lot of this.

[1:32:58] Voice 3: So I think just rescinding it in that environment is, while I agree because

[1:33:05] Voice 3: underlying rules are so confusing, but just by putting this deadline in here, this doesn't

[1:33:11] Voice 3: commit us to anything, it just allows, it puts out, helps the optics by saying we're paying

[1:33:16] Voice 3: attention to this too and it aligns with the deadline that allows us that option in a year

[1:33:24] Voice 11: and hopefully a whole bunch more information for uh ocp and one of these biologics so i don't see

[1:33:28] Voice 11: this affecting i'm agreeing uh on rescinding the resolution but it's just the optics are free

[1:33:36] Voice 11: i disagree with the optics of the message of it i'm clearly on the board doing a fine job with

[1:33:41] Voice 11: this report here and there's not the optics it's available to the public and um the optics are all

[1:33:47] Voice 11: here it's all explained um quite clearly and the public understands that as the ltc some review of

[1:33:54] Voice 11: our power to revisit this whenever the heck we want a month two months six months or a year

[1:34:00] Voice 11: um so i'm not in favor of the amendment to the motion hey thank you and um

[1:34:07] Voice 8: and sort of this is

[1:34:09] Voice 8: one of those situations where i understand the desire just to go ahead with the the motion

[1:34:18] Voice 8: recommended i also understand that desire to uh to make it clear that we're going to revisit this in

[1:34:24] Voice 8: a specific time and that that time aligns with the uh the option to opt in to uh

[1:34:32] Voice 8: the

[1:34:33] Voice 11: short-term vacation rental uh principal residency requirement um next year and i

[1:34:39] Voice 11: understand that we want you to make sure that we consider

[1:34:43] Voice 9: that um

[1:34:45] Voice 11: and

[1:34:51] Voice 8: uh so i'm just going to go

[1:34:53] Voice 8: ahead and call the question all those in favor of the amendment um those opposed the amendment

[1:35:02] Voice 8: carries and

[1:35:03] Voice 11: now we have an amended motion before us man can you please be noted opposition yes

[1:35:09] Voice 11: uh

[1:35:12] Voice 8: so now we have an amended motion for us um and can i just ask that we get the amended motion

[1:35:20] Voice 8: uh right up so that we fully understand at

[1:35:24] Voice 11: the southern island local trust committee rescind

[1:35:27] Voice 11: standing resolution ss 2019 115 and that staff report back on further considerations

[1:35:33] Voice 11: regarding proactive management of short-term vacation controls by march 1st 2020. okay so

[1:35:41] Voice 11: there we go that's on the record and we all understand what the

[1:35:44] Voice 11: the

[1:35:44] Voice 8: motion is. Any further discussion on the amended motion? Not seeing any, I'll call

[1:35:52] Voice 8: a question. All those in favor? Any opposed? And the motion carries.

[1:36:00] Voice 11: Okay, so this brings

[1:36:04] Voice 11: us then, this now brings us to the application section, which we have scheduled at noon,

[1:36:23] Voice 11: and I've just looked at staff in terms of expectations of staff and or kids being here

[1:36:33] Voice 11: and whether you want to take a break now or substitute something else short and then take

[1:36:39] Voice 11: a break.

[1:36:40] Voice 11: Mr. Chair, I will advise that I think you have a substantive consideration this afternoon

[1:36:45] and it may be best just to get to a break and come back and

[1:36:49] Voice 11: start the conversation.

[1:36:51] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:36:51] Voice 11: now make sure that we're not faster throwing off scheduling okay

[1:36:58] Voice 8: fair enough

[1:36:59] Voice 11: that advice

[1:37:01] Voice 8: uh so that being the case i will uh uh let's let's call for

[1:37:08] Voice 11: a recess we'll return here at

[1:37:10] Voice 11: uh 12 o'clock for applications and referrals

[2:30:56] Voice 9: owners takeaways okay

[2:30:58] Voice 11: so we will back to the meeting here it's uh 1201 from actually 13

[2:31:08] Voice 11: applications and referrals and first up on page 105 we have a temporary use permit application

[2:31:18] Voice 11: for 805 Vesuvius road and we have a staff report uh from planner bucket good afternoon

[2:31:30] Voice 6: I have one temporary use permit application in front of you today for the property with the

[2:31:34] Voice 6: civic address of 805 Vesuvius Bay Road. Some context to this property, this was previously

[2:31:40] Voice 6: the location of the Vesuvius Inn, and it had commercial accommodation zoning. However, in 2016,

[2:31:46] Voice 6: the previous owner of the property decided to rezone the property in accordance with the official

[2:31:51] Voice 6: community plan residential designation in place. Now, bringing this property, that rezoning

[2:31:57] Voice 6: moved it from CA2 to the current R8 zoning. The residential density requested at the time

[2:32:03] Voice 6: of rezoning was not supported by water availability, and the owner reduced the

[2:32:07] Voice 6: scope from six proposed residential units to allow for a single residential unit on the

[2:32:12] Voice 6: property. With this in mind, the current applicant initially applied last year for a temporary use

[2:32:19] Voice 6: permit to allow a single yurt for short-term rental purposes. However, the proposal was

[2:32:24] Voice 6: was amended shortly after to request a total of five units. The applicant has voiced that their

[2:32:29] Voice 6: long-term goals for the property is to pursue a rezoning back to the commercial accommodation zone

[2:32:34] Voice 6: to allow us as a permanent use at full scale. However, they'd like to run this as a trial run

[2:32:39] Voice 6: through a temporary use permit. The geotechnical report assesses a total of 15 proposed units,

[2:32:45] Voice 6: while only five are being proposed through the TUP process. In the applicant's letter,

[2:32:50] Voice 6: it was specified that water, power, and septic would be brought up from the house to service

[2:32:54] Voice 6: these units. Alternatively, holding tanks could be contemplated. After reviewing applicable policy,

[2:33:01] Voice 6: it appears that the OCP is clear that transient accommodation units are not supported by LTC and

[2:33:06] Voice 6: residential zones. For clarity, this OCP policy section B.3.1.2.3, which specifically states

[2:33:14] Voice 6: the local trust committee will not support the operation of transient accommodation units in

[2:33:19] Voice 6: and residential zones unless they are operated as home-based businesses. Further, as multiple

[2:33:25] Voice 6: commercial accommodation zones exist on the island which allow for this short-term commercial rental

[2:33:30] Voice 6: use, TUP guideline G.1.3.6 applies. It states that if this use is a new venture that does not

[2:33:37] Voice 6: directly compete with existing business in the legal zone, and if there's a demonstrated need

[2:33:43] Voice 6: for the proposed use, the permit can be issued in excess of 60 days. With this in mind, the draft

[2:33:48] Voice 6: permit provided in the report is restricted to this 60-day term. If LTC decides to move forward

[2:33:54] Voice 6: with this application, they can approve the permit as drafted or choose one of the alternate

[2:33:58] Voice 6: recommendations proposing an extended permit duration. Other permit conditions are in place

[2:34:03] Voice 6: to ensure adequate water and septic connections are in place with sufficient water quantity and

[2:34:07] Voice 6: potability. To date, we have received two pieces of correspondence from the neighbourhood expressing

[2:34:12] Voice 6: concerns over the proposed units. Concerns include water and septic capacity, overall

[2:34:18] Voice 6: all neighborhood compatibility geotechnical hazard and fire danger so staff recommended staff

[2:34:24] Voice 6: recommendation is rooted in applicable ocp policy specifically policy g.3.1.2.3 as a result staff

[2:34:31] Voice 6: have recommended denial of sstup 223.2 i am happy to answer any questions ltc may have i also note

[2:34:40] Voice 6: that both the applicant and their agent are both present to speak on behalf of the application

[2:34:45] Voice 6: Hey,

[2:34:46] Voice 11: thank you. We'd like to hear if the applicant has

[2:34:51] Voice 11: anything to offer today.

[2:34:53] Voice 11: I agree with you.

[2:34:54] Voice 11: Our public contact is .

[2:35:01] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you.

[2:35:04] Voice 11: You need to unmute, sir.

[2:35:06] Voice 5: Good afternoon, trustees. How are you? Thank you for having us. Can you hear me now?

[2:35:16] Voice 8: Yes, can hear you. Yeah, do you have something to add?

[2:35:18] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:35:21] Voice 5: So this TEP application came up after the initial accessory building was, not accessory building, accessory tent was set up on the property about a year ago.

[2:35:44] Voice 5: And under the current zoning, it allows for an accessory structure, an accessory unit, and the clients, you know, not aware of the bylaws, constructed what is currently right now a non-conforming structure.

[2:36:03] Voice 5: structure. When we applied for this, we applied to keep the structure. We actually got the original

[2:36:11] Voice 5: geotechs on board and our approach was to apply for a side yard variance to keep the structure

[2:36:19] Voice 5: somewhere along the lines. And we're not sure where this happened. It's turned into an application

[2:36:28] Voice 5: to remove that structure and then add five, um, temporary use, uh, facilities, um, for rental.

[2:36:36] Voice 5: Now the, you know, original zoning, um, you know, dating back four years ago was, um, was, uh, and,

[2:36:45] Voice 5: and previous to my clients purchasing this property, you know, this has been a, um, you know,

[2:36:51] Voice 5: commercial space, restaurant pub, um, you know, high use. And the intention of this lot was

[2:36:57] Voice 5: always to attract and add to the area at the base of the Vesuvius Ferry.

[2:37:05] Voice 5: So through the last couple years, we have been having conversations with the Islands Trust

[2:37:13] Voice 5: about putting together rezoning and at very least getting back the previous zoning that the property had,

[2:37:19] Voice 5: but possibly applying for something that would benefit the community in a larger way.

[2:37:25] Voice 5: Today, we are asking for a temporary use permit for these five structures and to correct the

[2:37:33] Voice 5: application to keep the existing one that is up right now with a variance to the side yard

[2:37:38] Voice 5: setback. And not for a term that's outlined in the proposal written by Chris Buchan,

[2:37:48] Voice 5: but to ask the trustees for a two-year term.

[2:37:51] Voice 5: This is to do a few things.

[2:37:55] Voice 5: One, to test the market as to, you know,

[2:38:00] Voice 5: how viable a project would be for Salt Spring Island

[2:38:03] Voice 5: and how successful that would be.

[2:38:07] Voice 5: And, you know, two, for the clients themselves,

[2:38:12] Voice 5: you know, be able to safely invest money into,

[2:38:17] Voice 5: to the lengthy process that is rezoning and building something worth value on this property.

[2:38:24] Voice 5: What's come up lately for us, the BC Ferry is obviously looking to make major changes to that

[2:38:29] Voice 5: area. It seems fitting in timing for this project to kick off. By having these initial

[2:38:38] Voice 5: temporary use permits, it would give us some viable information to be able to constructively

[2:38:45] Voice 5: put together a pro forma and a project that makes sense for that area we do plan on having

[2:38:51] Voice 5: conversations with bc ferries with islands trust working in communication in conjunction with them

[2:38:59] Voice 5: but we would really like the opportunity to test the waters with these with these units okay thank

[2:39:08] Voice 11: you and

[2:39:08] Voice 11: you had something you wanted to add at the moment yeah my name is travis how is the word

[2:39:12] Voice 11: They're the ones that purchased the company from the previous owners that did do the rezoning when they moved it from commercial to residential.

[2:39:24] Voice 11: So, I mean, ultimately, our plan has always been sort of more of like an accommodation-based business based on the former zoning.

[2:39:35] Voice 11: That was always the direction that we wanted to take this.

[2:39:39] Voice 11: And when we had initial talks with the Islands Trust more than two years ago, they told us that would take 18 to 24 months.

[2:39:46] Voice 11: And a TUV would be much quicker.

[2:39:49] Voice 11: It would take four to six months.

[2:39:51] Voice 11: And we're at 24 months with NIDA right now.

[2:39:55] Voice 11: And that's a bit of a frustration.

[2:39:56] Voice 11: And even in the report from, you know, the Islands Trust, I mean, they're recommending that it should be zoned back to commercial, you know, and we agree.

[2:40:07] Voice 11: actually like we don't we don't disagree that that should be the ultimate destination of what

[2:40:13] Voice 11: this property is and especially in like like you know bc paris is going to be blasting the wall out

[2:40:18] Voice 11: of the parking area sort of next to our property and our property accesses through that you know

[2:40:26] Voice 11: essentially that parking lot part of the redevelopment so we definitely our families

[2:40:31] Voice 11: there for the last two years it's clearly not a residential property you know it's clearly

[2:40:37] Voice 11: not a commercial purpose it's got you know transit oriented development it's got a ferry every hour

[2:40:43] Voice 11: and 15 minutes it's got a bus every hour and 15 minutes like we we just feel it's a tremendous

[2:40:51] Voice 11: opportunity to house people that are coming to visit the island for tourism and uh you know i

[2:40:58] Voice 11: guess that's that's our ultimate goal you know the iron is we're just 12 to 18 months late on time

[2:41:05] Voice 11: getting that we didn't get a lot of clarity on even how to initiate that process we you know

[2:41:11] Voice 11: we talked to the trustees about that laura long ago and jamie and you know and we just we've gotten

[2:41:18] Voice 11: caught in a bit of just this bureaucracy of like just hurry up and wait and and you know it's it's

[2:41:24] It's taken much longer than we

[2:41:25] Voice 11: hoped and our bigger vision is a bit of a boutique hotel

[2:41:31] Voice 11: and Nordic spa that exemplifies the beauty of the island and we think it's got all kinds

[2:41:38] Voice 11: of building opportunities that you can keep the vehicles on the Vancouver Island side

[2:41:43] Voice 11: and you can walk on.

[2:41:44] Voice 11: That's what we do, our family does as well and yeah so I guess it's, I mean the TUP is

[2:41:53] Voice 11: something that allows us to get started but we're two years late now so I don't

[2:42:00] Voice 11: know what the options are for an accelerated unzoned because we feel like

[2:42:04] Voice 11: the residential is really exciting that was previously done in 2016 and we think having the zoning

[2:42:13] Voice 11: that would match what BC Ferries is planning to do could offer some collaboration

[2:42:18] Voice 11: Because I do think there's the ability to kind of take some of what they need and we need parking-wise and, you know, other possible offices and stuff that could be actually beneficial for both groups as they kind of work on the plan.

[2:42:35] But we need a commercial destination to do that. So those are just my initial thoughts

[2:42:42] Voice 11: and definitely answer any questions that you guys might have.

[2:42:46] Voice 8: hey

[2:42:47] Voice 11: thank you trustees uh questions

[2:42:49] Voice 8: for staff or the applicant um thank you

[2:42:58] Voice 3: thank

[2:42:59] Voice 11: you um

[2:43:02] Voice 3: i guess the i guess the one question would be on the water question have you had any

[2:43:06] Voice 3: conversations with north salt spring or you or how would you be supplying water to these

[2:43:10] Voice 11: units to the temporary department um well i mean we've looked at we can do a more permanent

[2:43:17] Voice 11: structure we can do a single slope roof and create some water catchment but then we were

[2:43:24] Voice 11: explaining we can't do a permanent structure because then it's not a climate temporary

[2:43:27] Voice 11: use permit so then the thought process is to test the usage I mean this was a pub that

[2:43:34] Voice 11: used almost 10 000 meters per gallon on this property my understanding of the water moratorium

[2:43:41] Voice 11: is the zonings that existed when the moratorium was implemented you have access to that water

[2:43:48] Voice 11: within the moratorium you know on the island and and you know that's why i really think the mistake

[2:43:56] Voice 11: of when we zoned it from commercial to residential is the trip the island's trust even outlined well

[2:44:01] Voice 11: this is a way to reduce water you know so there was actually more water set aside for that property

[2:44:08] Voice 11: property that is being used by a lot so and where our intent is not to use a lot of water

[2:44:16] Voice 11: we want to use as many efficient and kind of conservation-based methods as possible

[2:44:24] Voice 11: compost water catchment rainwater catchment even the main house would catch a large amount

[2:44:31] Voice 11: of water you know so but our thoughts with the TUT is more it's let's test the consumption

[2:44:38] Voice 11: consumption, you know, and consumption, and also consumption. So that was our, our proposed

[2:44:48] Voice 11: sort of plan.

[2:44:50] Voice 11: I mean, I, for

[2:44:55] Voice 9: a long time,

[2:44:56] Voice 3: and I used to go to

[2:44:58] Voice 9: the Vesuvius Pub when

[2:44:59] Voice 3: it was a pub,

[2:45:00] Voice 3: I agree, it is a commercial oriented property, you have to go through the BC Ferry parking

[2:45:08] Voice 3: parking lot to get there and uh I know I have visited the property talked about you had to put

[2:45:13] Voice 3: a gate up why did you have to put a gate up well

[2:45:15] Voice 11: it's just because everyone wanders in things it's

[2:45:17] Voice 11: part of these fairies yeah and the other side of us is actually just a road that I think is about

[2:45:24] Voice 11: 90 feet wide you know so we're we're kind of this odd duck and even if you go the other way it's

[2:45:31] Voice 11: commercial properties and there's multi-family properties and you know so driving right out

[2:45:36] Voice 11: Out of our places, we came to this meeting, we've got restaurants, we've got a large three-story multifamily on one side, and all of that would have been sort of built within the last 10, 20 years, or existed previously.

[2:45:55] Voice 11: so we just

[2:45:56] Voice 5: if i can add if i can add to the water piece of it too uh quickly travis uh we're

[2:46:02] Voice 5: currently involved our company is currently involved with uh redoing the ocean wood on

[2:46:07] Voice 5: main island um and so we have been doing a large amount of research on usage of rainwater um into

[2:46:16] Voice 5: collection points and um how to bring that water usage down so that we are not you know we are not

[2:46:24] Voice 5: using much if any uh we do have three active wells on the site as well um and uh we do plan

[2:46:31] Voice 5: on retesting those but they were sufficient uh per the previous uh documentation before our

[2:46:38] Voice 5: clients bought the property that they could easily withstand these these now six buildings

[2:46:44] Voice 5: um so just to add that in there we've we've been uh we've been doing a lot of research on rain

[2:46:50] Voice 5: catchment yeah

[2:46:51] Voice 11: one other piece on the water too is it's just in kind of digging into kind of the

[2:46:56] Voice 11: previous exploration when they when they were looking at doing free duplexes more or less on

[2:47:03] Voice 11: this property as like residential accommodations i did read in letters that the north salt spring

[2:47:10] Voice 11: water proposed well if you pay for the paper made well give you the water you know so the

[2:47:17] Voice 11: iron is was it water moratorium versus infrastructure that is required and to me

[2:47:23] Voice 11: you know what upgrades infrastructure is a little bit density in the right place

[2:47:27] Voice 11: and so i think you know we don't see that as like a massive need you know for consumption of water

[2:47:36] Voice 11: um but you know we are wanting to see progress in the right mode tonight this is definitely one of

[2:47:42] Voice 11: the transit oriented you know you look at many other communities cities they're trying to focus

[2:47:47] Voice 11: you know the density or or or the people coming and going or as perceived transient near transit

[2:47:54] Voice 11: you know and that's it's like there's no better place i when i fly back to the farm right i just

[2:48:01] Voice 11: take the ganges harbor to the flow you know the bus to the full claim and then 10 12 15 minutes

[2:48:08] Voice 11: some gallon and a bit and a little bit so i just think it's a perfect location it's a extension

[2:48:13] Voice 11: of the mansion's harbor as well it just separates people so i

[2:48:19] Voice 3: did have one more question for staff

[2:48:22] Voice 3: i didn't understand at all the 60 day this is the first time i ever saw that 60-day

[2:48:28] Voice 3: requirement that's referred to on page 30 collaborate on what that is and where that

[2:48:34] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:48:36] Voice 6: So under our OCP, we have our temporary use permit guidelines. And I'm just going to scroll

[2:48:42] Voice 6: to it so we can read it verbatim. Bear with me. Here we go. Under part G of the OCP, there are

[2:48:55] Voice 6: guidelines that speak to the duration. Section G.1.3.1 states that essentially the permit can

[2:49:02] Voice 6: be up to two years. However, if you go down to section G.1.3.6, we do have a guideline that

[2:49:08] Voice 6: actually restricts any permit that essentially may compete with existing business and legal zones for

[2:49:14] Voice 6: such use to 60 days. So it is a guideline. I put it forward to you with alternatives for you to

[2:49:21] Voice 6: choose, but we have drafted it for 60 days because there are existing CA commercial accommodation

[2:49:26] Voice 6: zones.

[2:49:29] Voice 3: So are you referring them to villas or whatever it's called? Is that what you think is

[2:49:35] Voice 3: competition?

[2:49:38] Voice 6: There are multiple CA zones that allow for commercial accommodations,

[2:49:43] Voice 6: short-term vacation rentals, campgrounds, what have you. So it's up to LTC to decide

[2:49:48] Voice 6: if there is competition. All right.

[2:49:50] Voice 9: Okay. Thank you.

[2:49:52] Voice 9: Justice

[2:49:54] Voice 11: Harris, a question for staff. Would recommendation or alternative recommendation

[2:50:03] Voice 11: recommendation number three be the quickest way to have this move forward for the applicants and

[2:50:10] Voice 11: would this be a path for the the correct

[2:50:15] Voice 6: uh the recommendation three would allow for that two-year

[2:50:20] Voice 6: permit that was previously desired by the applicant um and it would get to yes uh as far as the zoning

[2:50:27] Voice 6: question that comes about when the applicant's actually ready to apply it to rezone they would

[2:50:32] Voice 6: be also required to amend the official community plan because the designation there is residential

[2:50:35] Voice 6: so that would just be a joint application same fee and

[2:50:39] Voice 11: also does number three include the use

[2:50:43] Voice 11: of the existing structure that

[2:50:46] Voice 6: would need to be an amendment so right now there's a condition in

[2:50:49] Voice 6: the permit that is to remove the the current structure in the setback area you could amend

[2:50:55] Voice 6: the conditions and let me just scroll down to the permit here to remove that it is section

[2:51:01] Voice 6: Section 4.2.3, which essentially states, prior to the use commencing, the operator must remove the unauthorized structure within the setback area identified within Schedule 1.

[2:51:15] Voice 6: So if that needs to be changed, you could perform a resolution to do so.

[2:51:22] Voice 11: I'd be happy to do that if the LTC is willing to take the payment.

[2:51:27] Voice 11: I would need help with the wording on the amendment to the scheme.

[2:51:37] Voice 11: It's on page 143.

[2:51:49] Voice 11: section 4.2.3 did i get it right that's 4.2.3

[2:52:08] Voice 11: four point two point one proper procedure be to

[2:52:19] Voice 11: amendment first yes amend the temporary's permit and then approve it that's what we're contemplating

[2:52:29] Voice 11: here yeah and then i guess if the if the intent is to put forward a motion to

[2:52:42] Voice 11: uh make the permit valid for two years and may as well amend i think those are different things

[2:52:50] Voice 11: well there

[2:52:50] Voice 4: could be two amendments but

[2:52:52] Voice 1: we may as

[2:52:52] Voice 11: well amend the permit

[2:52:54] Voice 11: fully before i don't know yes absolutely yeah um so can we sorry for the confusion

[2:53:10] i'll move recommendation

[2:53:14] Voice 11: number three alternative recommendation number three

[2:53:17] Voice 11: and then we will amend um to remove section 4.2.3 from does that make sense

[2:53:30] Voice 11: or well i was suggesting that we go and amend the permit if i buy they're both amendments

[2:53:36] Voice 11: it doesn't matter i'll have to just don't have uh i can't get both pages in front of me at once

[2:53:43] Voice 11: right now i've moved that the salt springland local trust committee approved issuance of 10

[2:53:48] Voice 11: periods from ss tup 2023.2 805 the sydney state road for five commercial guests accommodation

[2:53:56] Voice 11: of issuance for a period of two years from date of issuance and that section 4.2.3 be removed

[2:54:04] Voice 11: from the temporary use permit does that

[2:54:10] Voice 3: make sense point of order i just want to clarify

[2:54:12] Voice 3: point of order should we amend we should amend the permit first then issue yeah

[2:54:19] Voice 11: yeah okay so

[2:54:20] Voice 11: so why don't you rephrase it that that we have met at the

[2:54:24] Voice 11: sarah sarah's written it down okay sarah's written it down marvelous thank you sarah

[2:54:28] Voice 11: are you just picking up one uh

[2:54:30] Voice 9: we would be

[2:54:31] Voice 11: changing section four to the the period to

[2:54:38] Voice 11: two years is that your intention um that's what's in um the um right so there's that and then

[2:54:46] Voice 11: there's removal of 4.2.3 yes is that the removal of the existing one that's removing uh because

[2:54:54] Voice 11: we don't want to that was never the intent no no we're removing the um so it can be allowed

[2:55:00] Voice 11: section 4

[2:55:01] Voice 11: .2.3 says that the operator must remove the unauthorized structure

[2:55:07] Voice 11: okay so that's the yeah i don't have it okay okay

[2:55:13] Voice 5: yeah as the can i make a recommendation

[2:55:15] Voice 5: just quickly if it's okay oh

[2:55:20] Voice 8: okay just

[2:55:22] Voice 5: sorry i just i just the variance for the side yard

[2:55:25] Voice 5: setback wasn't noted i don't know if that matters in the change to what is being rewritten right now

[2:55:32] Voice 5: i'll let chris answer on that i just want to bring that one point up because i know that's sensitive

[2:55:35] Voice 5: with setbacks and stuff like that and

[2:55:38] Voice 6: i am happy to speak to that uh if you're looking to keep that

[2:55:41] Voice 6: existing structure within the setback area that would need to be addressed at a future date with

[2:55:45] Voice 6: the variance permit the temporary use permit isn't sufficient to address setback issues

[2:55:49] Voice 6: Thank

[2:55:50] Voice 5: you. Thank you. I just want a clarification, but I apologize.

[2:55:54] Voice 11: Great.

[2:55:57] Voice 11: I think it's my sense is it's better to make both of us.

[2:56:07] Voice 11: Sure.

[2:56:08] Voice 11: I thought we were.

[2:56:13] Voice 11: And then, and it would be section for is changing the period of 60 days to two years.

[2:56:25] Voice 11: is that what we're um no um because that's that's in the motion but it's okay but then but what

[2:56:33] Voice 11: we're doing is we're going to go amend the permit and you're looking at alternative motion number

[2:56:39] Voice 11: three yes if you go down to page 143 there's the temporary use permit okay so the suggestion is

[2:56:49] Voice 11: that we yes judge it to you that we amend the temporary use permit prior to um

[2:56:57] Voice 11: approving it for some reason this is blocked over okay

[2:57:04] Voice 9: you

[2:57:06] Voice 11: want to tell us what you have

[2:57:09] Voice 9: okay

[2:57:09] Voice 11: uh so we need that the assaults bring out which has to be amend temporary use permit sst

[2:57:15] Voice 11: tup 2023.2 as follows remove section 4.2.3 that says prior to the use commencing the operator

[2:57:25] Voice 11: must remove the unauthorized structure that area identified within schedule schedule one

[2:57:33] Voice 11: and section four replace this permit is valid for a period of 60 days from the date of issuance with

[2:57:43] Voice 11: it this permit is valid valid for a period of two years from the date okay is that your intent yes

[2:57:50] Voice 11: okay so moved and seconded uh discussion jesse harris just told that um it could be um

[2:58:04] Voice 11: rezoning back to commercial would be somehow you know expedient and done before each of these

[2:58:11] Voice 11: it's terrible and something that is that a question for staff yeah sorry what was the question

[2:58:28] Voice 11: well chair i have to be entirely honest this application was finalized

[2:58:34] Voice 11: two months ago um so the the insinuation that started two years ago the inquiry process started

[2:58:39] Voice 11: two years ago but as with most of our applications uh the timeline is very much dependent on the

[2:58:45] Voice 11: applicant so yes provided the applicant provides a complete application in a timely manner

[2:58:50] uh we work to manage applications to meet you uh and we'll move that forward as quickly as possible

[2:58:57] Voice 11: great thanks very happy to hear that okay anything further on the motion

[2:59:06] Voice 11: uh we're in the middle of discussing uh on the motion so far uh so i'm not seeing anything

[2:59:12] Voice 11: anything further on the motion i'll call

[2:59:15] Voice 8: the question all those in

[2:59:15] Voice 11: favor and the motion carries

[2:59:19] Voice 11: and then now the secondary motion

[2:59:23] Voice 11: would be around um approving the permit or i guess on the

[2:59:30] Voice 11: secondary the second motion so would you like to make that moment do you want to make that one for

[2:59:42] Voice 11: serious sir thank you please go ahead

[2:59:44] Voice 11: that's number three i guess um it's it's the number

[2:59:49] Voice 11: or three emotions that correctly we're finishing it then the i'm with the salzburg

[2:59:54] Voice 11: island local trust

[2:59:55] Voice 3: committee approved issue in september use permit sstup

[2:59:57] Voice 11: 2023.2

[3:00:00] Voice 3: for

[3:00:00] Voice 11: five commercial guest accommodation units for a period of two years on the date of issues

[3:00:07] Voice 11: as amended yes okay so moved and job secular by trustee harris uh discussion on motion trustee

[3:00:20] Voice 11: patrick well

[3:00:21] Voice 3: i think like i said i've you

[3:00:25] Voice 11: know i've been to the property uh this is a it's in

[3:00:29] Voice 11: it's in the parking lot of bc ferries bc ferries is going to be doing a major construction project

[3:00:35] Voice 11: your doorstep momentarily um

[3:00:39] Voice 3: i know you've got some issues to overcome with water and

[3:00:41] Voice 3: sewer and all those things but those will be on you to overcome um that

[3:00:49] Voice 11: you know

[3:00:50] Voice 3: this this is of all locations on salt spring probably the most appropriate

[3:00:56] Voice 3: appropriate uh for commercial accommodation

[3:00:58] Voice 11: because you are right at the doorstep of a

[3:01:02] Voice 11: barrier that runs the most frequently to the

[3:01:03] Voice 3: side so um you know it's it's it is on for you know

[3:01:09] Voice 3: stories that I understand what happened historically and why the previous owner was pressured to do the

[3:01:16] Voice 3: rezoning they did to try to sell the property but um it's now what we have you have to live

[3:01:22] Voice 11: with and uh something we have to consider as we we look forward because uh so it's just it only

[3:01:29] Voice 11: makes sense you just have the most beautiful sunset slaughter yeah anything further on the

[3:01:36] Voice 11: motion um no okay then i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries do we have to

[3:01:51] Voice 11: to make a provision for a variance that we need.

[3:02:04] Voice 6: Through the chair, it looks like the applicant's aware

[3:02:06] Voice 6: that a variance is still required.

[3:02:08] Voice 6: I understand there's still active by-law enforcement

[3:02:10] Voice 6: on this property specific to the setback.

[3:02:12] Voice 6: So I understand they will likely move forward

[3:02:15] Voice 6: to get that rectified.

[3:02:16] Voice 6: And I see Robert nodding in agreement.

[3:02:20] Voice 8: Great.

[3:02:21] Voice 8: Hey, thank you.

[3:02:25] Voice 8: Planner Bucket and applicants.

[3:02:27] Voice 8: and uh we'll move on then to uh 13.2

[3:02:32] Voice 11: uh the very development variance permit for 131 northern way

[3:02:38] Voice 11: thank you justin

[3:02:41] Voice 11: uh tim sorry could i just just say one thing like i guess with

[3:02:48] Voice 11: the the attention and everything of the south and strong recommendation that commercial

[3:02:54] Voice 11: commercial building should be new play, we move to once we just take the work that's

[3:03:00] Voice 11: already done and just carry that on instead of jumping back in the back of the queue because

[3:03:06] Voice 11: at least 12 months was just the queue.

[3:03:08] Voice 8: I'd have to look to staff and I don't know we need to have that discussion here at the

[3:03:14] Voice 8: meeting but staffs have to answer my I believe that you need if you're going to do a restarting

[3:03:21] Voice 8: need to open up a new application for the retail name we

[3:03:25] Voice 11: would we would need to uh sure we would

[3:03:27] Voice 11: need to open up a new application so um that's a pretty much an operational process at this point

[3:03:32] Voice 11: to to get an application finally okay so

[3:03:36] Voice 8: i just encourage you to to you know talk talk to staff

[3:03:40] Voice 8: outside meeting here and get that process started if that's what you'd like to do mr chair one

[3:03:46] Voice 11: alternative one option we do have right now

[3:03:48] Voice 11: is there's an active um enforcement on the property

[3:03:52] Voice 11: if the applicant is applying for a very they have a they have a temporary use permit so

[3:03:58] that takes care of that part of it for now um i believe there's still an outstanding

[3:04:02] contravention of a setback um staff ltc may wish to direct staff to not proceed further

[3:04:10] than enforcement while this application process is going on on the on the setback issue

[3:04:16] Voice 11: uh understanding that we're going to deal with these applications um in short order okay so just

[3:04:24] Voice 11: just for clarity um do we have we don't have a do we have a

[3:04:29] Voice 8: variance application in play we don't

[3:04:32] Voice 11: have a variance application in play uh after the rebuilding process which is likely just to be a

[3:04:39] setback variance in the provisions of that zoning amendment well lpc is considered okay so then

[3:04:46] Voice 10: then just just it's just a procedural question then it is the

[3:04:52] Voice 11: by improving the yes uh you've

[3:04:56] Voice 11: addressed the issue of use however by you haven't addressed the issue of a barrier today uh that

[3:05:03] that contravention is still in place uh and i'm not on board with you so um

[3:05:09] Voice 11: if we're all

[3:05:10] Voice 11: in fact we're in good faith to do this application and resolve all the issues with this property

[3:05:15] Voice 11: Um, if LTC were to say direct filing for the staff not to enforce on this property at this time, while they're working towards compliance, that just takes that.

[3:05:28] Voice 11: Okay, as long as that's yeah, as long as that's an appropriate action to take, and I'm happy to take a motion to that effect.

[3:06:04] Voice 6: the contravention on file looks like it's within the setback of the front lot line or side lot

[3:06:09] Voice 6: line i'll have to check on that as well as the 15 meter water by setback uh warren looks like

[3:06:14] Voice 6: he's jumping on to to speak to that

[3:06:16] Voice 11: mr chairman yes

[3:06:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the yurt is in the setback from an

[3:06:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: exterior lot line and from the setback from the natural boundary of the sea there is actually no

[3:06:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: an active enforcement right now on this issue tickets have been issued by violation notices

[3:06:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have been issued and disputed and right now really they're scheduled to go to adjudication

[3:06:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so the property owner still has the opportunity to sign a compliance agreement that would deal

[3:06:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: with those violation notices as they're going to pursue a dvp that's what the agreement would state

[3:07:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and then the violation notices would be cancelled and then there's no requirement right now for us

[3:07:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to proceed with any further enforcement because they're they would be seeking the dvp okay

[3:07:15] Voice 8: so uh

[3:07:16] Voice 8: what i think i hear you saying is that a motion to suspend bylaw enforcement isn't necessary

[3:07:21] Voice 8: I

[3:07:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: don't believe so. As long as they're going to pursue that DVP process, they're going to be offered a compliance agreement that would give them a deadline to complete that DVP process, that application process, and that would put on hold any enforcement until the application is dealt with.

[3:07:44] Voice 8: Okay, thank you. Does

[3:07:45] Voice 11: that seem clear, trustees?

[3:07:47] Voice 11: I'm not I'm not clear about the adjudication so

[3:07:51] Voice 8: that that would be well what maybe I'll just ask

[3:07:55] Voice 8: Warren just to reiterate that that although you're there is a an adjudication is is scheduled or or

[3:08:03] Voice 8: thought but uh that you could instead of going to adjudication you can do a a compliance agreement

[3:08:11] Voice 8: correct

[3:08:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if that is the wish of the property owner that they're going to seek a DVP

[3:08:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: then all they need to do is sign the compliance agreement that deals with the violation notices

[3:08:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and then it doesn't need to go to adjudication because they're they're voluntarily complying

[3:08:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: okay

[3:08:27] Voice 11: is that clear to everyone now not to me no i mean even the 15 meter from the water

[3:08:35] Voice 11: is open to debate and the other setback is actually a roadway which is

[3:08:41] Voice 11: but so so

[3:08:43] Voice 8: i think i think that's there's sort of two two things one is the the bylaw and

[3:08:48] Voice 8: enforcement part of it if you apply if you apply for the dvp what we're hearing is that

[3:08:55] Voice 8: the variance that that uh the enforcement will not proceed yeah and the weather or not it's

[3:09:07] Voice 8: within those i mean i don't want to get into them whether or not it's within those but did you

[3:09:14] Voice 8: understand i'm just wanting you understand what the

[3:09:17] Voice 11: process is outlining here yeah so i guess if

[3:09:21] Voice 11: we start a new process we can eliminate that process that's right that's what we said two

[3:09:27] Voice 11: years starts now i'm just uh i got just timelines and just all summers right around the corner you

[3:09:36] Voice 11: know we were trying to move it forward so if there was an easier way uh

[3:09:41] Voice 11: well you're you're getting the temporary use permit yeah for two years yeah yeah that's all

[3:09:49] Voice 11: yeah

[3:09:49] Voice 8: so if what what the bylaw enforcement manager is saying is so with the uh

[3:10:00] Voice 8: the uh variants that that your partner here just talked about applying for

[3:10:05] Voice 8: clarified he's what the bylaw enforcement manager is saying is if you do that

[3:10:10] Voice 8: then there won't be an enforcement while that process takes

[3:10:15] Voice 11: place how long is that

[3:10:16] Voice 11: so just

[3:10:17] Voice 8: check in with the with the manager jaymond um so

[3:10:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair yes a compliance agreement

[3:10:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would be negotiated with the property owner whatever time is going to be required here to

[3:10:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: get that dvp before the local trust committee and we don't need to argue about distances whether or

[3:10:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not they're correct the compliance agreement would state what the property owner's already

[3:10:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: stated he wishes to do is apply for a variance permit so signing the compliance agreement

[3:10:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: acknowledges that he's seeking a dvp and he would get the opportunity to do that clear deadlines and

[3:10:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: when he's everything has to be submitted and then he gets his dvp in and once he signs the

[3:11:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: agreement they're going to be considered paid as long as he submits that dvp application okay

[3:11:13] Voice 8: does that make is that more clear for you now chris uh plan rocket uh

[3:11:21] Voice 6: there's one more note

[3:11:21] Voice 6: i'd like to make outside the the setback issue um by removing that one clause that intended to

[3:11:26] Voice 6: remove the non-conforming structure. It looks like a sixth yurt has been put back into the site plan.

[3:11:31] Voice 6: However, the permit right now only allows for the five yurt structures to be used as FTBRs.

[3:11:37] Voice 6: So I'm not sure if the applicant wants that to remain as an accessory residential unit or the

[3:11:43] Voice 6: actual permit needs to be amended now to allow for six structures. That remains a bit unclear now.

[3:11:50] Voice 3: That's a total of five, including the one structure that's already up.

[3:11:53] Voice 3: And

[3:11:54] Voice 11: we're comfortable with it.

[3:11:56] Voice 8: That's fine.

[3:11:57] Voice 8: It was a five.

[3:12:00] Voice 8: So is the other part about applying for the development variance permit,

[3:12:04] Voice 8: does that make sense to you now?

[3:12:07] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:12:07] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:12:08] Voice 8: So we can just move on?

[3:12:09] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:12:10] Voice 4: All right.

[3:12:10] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[3:12:13] Voice 8: So next up we have, where are we?

[3:12:18] Voice 8: are on page 155 um development's

[3:12:22] Voice 11: variant permit uh for 131 northern way and uh that is planter belcher

[3:12:34] Voice 11: okay so this is a new application for development very split from one to one

[3:12:39] Voice 11: way the applicants gave appearance to the minimum interior side lot line setback for three meters

[3:12:46] Voice 11: proposing new construction of a single family dwelling within 1.5 meters of the size hotline

[3:12:52] Voice 11: The property is a hooked straddle lot. The proposed building site was chosen on the smaller south section of the lot to preserve the large section of this main natural estate.

[3:13:02] Voice 11: The variance is being reflected as a rock-based hazard along the roadway that makes siting outside of the setbacks and within the building envelope difficult.

[3:13:12] Voice 11: difficult so the proposed dwelling is a 55.7 meter squared or 600 feet squared one-story

[3:13:20] Voice 11: single-family residence uh the property borders um common uh strata common property on the south

[3:13:28] Voice 11: wall line where the variance is being requested and the design of the house does not make use

[3:13:32] Voice 11: of the common property land to the south so there's no deeds overhangs or exterior door access

[3:13:38] Voice 11: that would project into the strap on the property since the notification period began there's been

[3:13:45] Voice 11: no correspondence received for this application um staff thinks that the rationale is reasonable

[3:13:52] Voice 11: uh impacts on neighboring properties would not be significant and therefore staff is

[3:13:57] Voice 11: recommending that the self-offering island global trust committee but third of its units of

[3:14:04] Voice 11: development variance permit application ss gbp 2023.16 maintenance and the applicant is here okay

[3:14:13] Voice 11: did you want to add anything sir i don't know i could thank everybody for taking

[3:14:18] Voice 11: okay thank you trustees any questions for staff of the africa

[3:14:27] Voice 11: so i mean the drawing on day one of december refers to a proposed cottage and i know this

[3:14:33] Voice 11: is the you know it's the seasonal product description is there still is this property

[3:14:39] Voice 11: still big enough to have another dwelling on it yes it is okay okay uh anything else

[3:14:51] Voice 11: trustees no we're required all right so i'm prepared to make the motion i move that the

[3:15:03] Voice 11: salisbury animal trust committee approves issuance of the development of the department application

[3:15:08] Voice 11: to assess the 4.3.16 so moved seconded further discussion seeing any i'll call a question all

[3:15:19] Voice 11: in favor motion carries okay this brings us to item 13.3 another developed variant permit uh for

[3:15:31] Voice 11: for 541 and his drive and this is also coming from leonard belcher page 176.

[3:15:42] Voice 11: yes this is a new application for a development variance from the 541 and his drive the applicant

[3:15:49] Voice 11: is seeking a variance to the maximum height regulation of 7.6 meters supposing new construction

[3:15:55] Voice 11: construction of a single family dwelling to be 9.8 meters the variance is being requested due to the

[3:16:02] Voice 11: significance of the property which has roughly 90 meters of elevation gain from the rear to front

[3:16:09] Voice 11: lot line the height variance would limit the blasting required to for the proposed building

[3:16:15] Voice 11: site and allow the proposed dwelling to be located on the property where previous owners have made

[3:16:21] Voice 11: some land alterations to the removal of trees and ground leveling the proposed building site

[3:16:28] Voice 11: is located roughly in the center of the 3.69 9.12 acre property and is not visible from the

[3:16:37] Voice 11: road or any neighboring problems since the notification period began two pieces of

[3:16:44] Voice 11: correspondence have been received both identifying that the proposed construction would not affect

[3:16:48] Voice 11: affect them and their interests are unaffected by the 9.8 meter dwelling um staff has throughout

[3:16:55] Voice 11: you know is reasonable impacts on neighboring properties would be significant therefore staff

[3:17:01] Voice 11: is recommending that the southwest island will professionally improve the issue and so

[3:17:05] Voice 11: developments very important application ssdb 2024.4 mcdonald and i think everest mcdonald is

[3:17:14] Voice 11: I believe the owner of the property might also be here.

[3:17:21] Voice 11: Yes, he is.

[3:17:21] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:17:22] Voice 8: And did you have anything to add?

[3:17:27] Voice 1: No, it's just a very challenging site

[3:17:29] Voice 1: and the location of the house is on a knob.

[3:17:32] Voice 1: So it drops off in three directions

[3:17:35] Voice 1: and we want to minimize blasting.

[3:17:40] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:17:41] Voice 8: Thank you for that.

[3:17:42] Voice 8: Trustees, any questions for the planner or the applicant today?

[3:17:47] Voice 11: Oh, sorry.

[3:17:48] Voice 11: owner okay any any questions from trustees today nope no i mean it's a

[3:18:01] Voice 11: lovely large house i mean i understand we're

[3:18:06] Voice 3: struggling on the island with housing

[3:18:08] Voice 3: you

[3:18:09] Voice 11: understand why it's the size it is so that's no questions all right then uh someone care to

[3:18:21] Voice 11: make a motion i know that the source by now you know the trust committee approved issuance of the

[3:18:26] Voice 11: loan appearance permit application ssd rule two seconded any further discussion seeing any i'll

[3:18:37] Voice 11: call the question all those in favor and the motion carries okay thank you so this moves us on

[3:18:46] Voice 11: On to section 14, the local trust committee projects, a staff report on page 2 of the addendum.

[3:19:15] Voice 11: And off my PowerPoint presentation to the volunteer service, that's very sad.

[3:19:29] Voice 11: Sure.

[3:19:30] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair Peterson, and to our attendees.

[3:20:55] Voice 11: This report provides three items for the LDC's consideration, all related to the LDC's

[3:21:01] Voice 11: initial community plan and the land use by-law update project.

[3:21:05] First, returning to you with an amended

[3:21:08] Voice 11: project terms of reference that lays out the general

[3:21:11] Voice 11: scope and framework and structure of the project. Second item in this report is a draft

[3:21:18] Voice 11: project engagement and communication strategy. This is for the LTC's consideration. This is

[3:21:24] your first time seeing that. And then the third item in this report

[3:21:27] Voice 11: is a draft terms

[3:21:28] Voice 11: of reference for a special advisory planning commission to provide the LTC and staff with

[3:21:34] Voice 11: advice as we move forward on this project. Next slide, please. You'll recall that this project,

[3:21:44] Voice 11: given that it ends both the Official Community Plan and the Land Use By-law, is projected to last

[3:21:49] Voice 11: into the spring of 2026, given that it involves both the Official Community Plan and the Land Use

[3:21:56] Voice 11: By-law, and there's significant time investments involved, particularly the Official Community

[3:22:09] Voice 11: would you like me to speak about each of the three um agenda to your report in turn or

[3:22:17] shall

[3:22:17] Voice 11: we address one at a time basically you want me to go through the terms of reference

[3:22:21] Voice 11: the engagement strategy and the and the commission probably one at a time one

[3:22:26] Voice 9: at a time

[3:22:29] Voice 11: let's do that so the changes that are made in the draft terms of reference which is attached

[3:22:37] Voice 11: to the report are some revised project goals

[3:22:41] Voice 11: that reflect some of the conversation

[3:22:42] Voice 11: that the trustees had at their March meeting.

[3:22:46] Voice 11: There is a new section on project communications,

[3:22:49] Voice 11: which is something that came up

[3:22:50] Voice 11: during the LTC's conversation in March.

[3:22:53] Voice 11: So we've tried to address that.

[3:22:55] Voice 11: There is the addition of a line

[3:22:58] Voice 11: or within the scope of the project,

[3:23:01] Voice 11: we will add indicators to monitor success

[3:23:04] Voice 11: to ensure that this project will capture

[3:23:07] Voice 11: some ways that we can measure whether or not policies in the OCP are going to be implemented

[3:23:12] Voice 11: and what the effect of that implementation is and also in the project scope staff are recommending

[3:23:18] Voice 11: that updates to the demographic contextual and technical information in addition by the

[3:23:25] Voice 11: project as well it's just a useful time to do some of the housekeeping in the OCP so that it

[3:23:32] Voice 11: reflects the current era rather than the era which was written. So thinking about the project goals,

[3:23:39] Voice 11: there was some discussion at the March LTC meeting about sort of the hierarchy of

[3:23:53] Voice 11: goals for this project and staff had presented you with a sort of definitional project goal

[3:24:00] Voice 11: for the project that was to increase housing options and housing equity on the island

[3:24:05] Voice 11: in ways that advance the interests of First Nations with treating territorial interests,

[3:24:09] Voice 11: that enhance ecosystem integrity and connectivity, and that build climate change resiliency,

[3:24:14] Voice 11: and I know that at the last meeting there was some discussion that perhaps integrated

[3:24:18] Voice 11: would be a better way to frame how we would look at those two unions within the greater

[3:24:24] Voice 11: need for increasing housing options and housing equity, so staff are simply proposing

[3:24:28] Voice 11: this change of language that reflects some of that conversation that we heard at the March meeting.

[3:24:35] Voice 11: Next slide please Rob. Within the project scope you'll see that we have added there in red text

[3:24:42] Voice 11: a deliverable to develop indicators to monitor success as part of this project. Next slide please.

[3:24:53] Voice 11: And effectively that's really all I have to say about the graph terms of reference at this time.

[3:24:57] Voice 11: It looks largely like it did the last time that the LTC visited and hopefully with some of the

[3:25:04] Voice 11: amendments that have been made to reflect the conversation at the last meeting based on staff's

[3:25:09] Voice 11: further analysis that this is an opportunity for the ltc to endorse this terms of reference

[3:25:15] Voice 11: so that staff can be confident that it serves as the framework on which we will go forward with

[3:25:20] Voice 11: this project thank you thank you uh questions

[3:25:28] Voice 9: discussion um

[3:25:37] Voice 11: i appreciate um you're listening and working on on this and i think i think a lot of people

[3:25:44] Voice 11: in the community don't realize that this is probably one of the first work plans

[3:25:49] Voice 11: done in the island's draft that's a shocking thing to hear so we've always gone with a project

[3:25:56] Voice 11: charter that's like one

[3:25:57] Voice 3: page with a few bullets on it and i really again appreciate that we're

[3:26:01] Voice 3: setting a standard

[3:26:02] Voice 3: here of putting

[3:26:04] Voice 11: some effort into the project to make sure we are all clear

[3:26:06] Voice 11: and understanding um

[3:26:09] Voice 3: yeah i'm still hearing this um move on salt springs

[3:26:15] Voice 3: chill come on we're on salt springs isn't that you know go slow the signs are all over the island so

[3:26:21] Voice 3: So chillax, you know, that this is going to be a process

[3:26:27] Voice 3: and we're going to go through a process.

[3:26:29] Voice 3: And I think, I know

[3:26:31] Voice 11: there are people

[3:26:32] Voice 3: who are like,

[3:26:32] Voice 3: oh, the project goal, hierarchies, all these words,

[3:26:34] Voice 3: like calm down.

[3:26:36] Voice 3: And I think as we prepare the communications

[3:26:41] Voice 3: and the other pieces we're going to talk about in a little bit,

[3:26:44] Voice 3: those are our opportunities to

[3:26:45] Voice 11: get the wording,

[3:26:46] Voice 11: play with the wording, make sure it's plain English

[3:26:49] Voice 3: and that folks can, you know, feel invited.

[3:26:53] Voice 3: And I think that's the primary difference.

[3:26:55] Voice 3: I mean, 2008, when the last review happened,

[3:26:58] Voice 3: there were folks on the island that were not invited

[3:27:00] Voice 3: to be involved in the process.

[3:27:03] Voice 3: And I think that's something fundamentally,

[3:27:05] Voice 3: this table is changing,

[3:27:07] that we want to make sure all voices on South Island

[3:27:10] Voice 3: feel accommodated and welcomed,

[3:27:14] Voice 3: and important.

[3:27:15] Voice 3: important. Not that one voice matters any more than any others that we want to be able

[3:27:21] Voice 3: to be open and heard. And I think people have to get the confidence that this is what we

[3:27:26] Voice 3: need. We're not just talking words. We know the island is a diverse set of voices and

[3:27:33] Voice 3: that collectively that makes up this place that we are proud to call home. So I do have

[3:27:42] Voice 3: a couple of comments i think i mentioned um

[3:27:45] Voice 11: minutes there on page 11 where we talk about

[3:27:52] Voice 11: using the toolkit and it makes reference to the suitable land analysis i think um i think an

[3:27:59] Voice 11: additional sentence in there and make it a little bit clearer that the data mapping inputs into the

[3:28:05] Voice 11: school of plan analysis will be customized to salt spring island and developed in a transparent and

[3:28:11] Voice 11: engaged

[3:28:11] Voice 3: manner i just think that would help people feel that you know it's not i'm trying to look for

[3:28:16] Voice 3: these potential black boxes and make sure that we're we are preparing the process that is

[3:28:21] Voice 3: transparent

[3:28:22] Voice 11: and open to the you know the public as to uh what we're what we're using so yeah

[3:28:33] Voice 11: through the chair um when you maybe elaborate on uh what what that what a transparent process

[3:28:50] Voice 11: So what would that look like to you to give you the confidence that that it isn't the black box.

[3:28:59] Voice 3: Well, I'm not, I'm not sure what processes we're going to be using to communicate with the public. I assume there's going to be some open houses and materials things on our website and so forth. And so

[3:29:10] Voice 3: So as I understand the suitable plan analysis tool,

[3:29:16] Voice 3: it's going to be drawing from a variety of data points

[3:29:19] Voice 11: or data map layers and weight change.

[3:29:23] Voice 11: So there's decision points that are going to be put in there.

[3:29:28] Voice 11: And so

[3:29:29] Voice 3: it spits out a map.

[3:29:35] Voice 3: So I think when we spit out a map,

[3:29:38] Voice 3: is an example that we have what were the choices made that resulted in this and there may be

[3:29:45] Voice 3: scenarios and i don't know

[3:29:46] Voice 11: the tool not yet as to who gets to make those choices um is that us is

[3:29:53] Voice 11: that is that a new working group is that who's involved in making those

[3:30:03] Voice 11: So I think that's

[3:30:07] Voice 3: a question as to when those choices are being made, how does that get

[3:30:11] Voice 3: presented in the documents?

[3:30:13] Voice 3: I think that's a really important piece, the documentation behind the map from that tool

[3:30:20] Voice 3: so that we understand the weight of choices, because if we weight them differently, there

[3:30:24] Voice 3: could be the outcome on the map.

[3:30:28] Voice 3: So I don't

[3:30:30] Voice 11: have an answer to say this is what I would like to

[3:30:32] Voice 3: see, but I know they want a documentation thing.

[3:30:35] Voice 3: But there is also the who gets to decide. And there may be cases where you're just presenting scenarios, so to speak.

[3:30:43] Voice 3: But part of that presentation should include these were the choices we made to end up with this.

[3:30:51] Voice 3: was going to happen, or this is the choices you made,

[3:30:55] Voice 3: or this is the choices of working you made.

[3:30:57] Voice 3: Somebody is making those choices to play with that,

[3:31:01] Voice 3: play with it to decide the various ways.

[3:31:06] Voice 3: So that's all.

[3:31:07] Voice 3: I'm being flexible, but I just see

[3:31:09] Voice 3: there needs to be a follow

[3:31:10] Voice 11: the crumbs to get to the back.

[3:31:13] Voice 11: Thank you.

[3:31:20] Voice 3: And then I read

[3:31:28] Voice 9: my own news.

[3:31:29] Voice 9: here we are

[3:31:29] Voice 3: um on page 14 we're still in the document this is the the project communicate

[3:31:40] Voice 3: and i thank you for adding this and um this is they were i'm i'm disappointed to see

[3:31:49] Voice 3: you know people already out there saying this is what they're thinking to do with the ocps

[3:31:54] Voice 3: good lord they haven't even said what we're doing yet so um you know the quicker we can get out and

[3:32:01] Voice 3: start communicating with what's coming and that it's going to be important to get that out there

[3:32:09] Voice 3: but i think um this is the section you have uh under fee messages you have the boundaries

[3:32:16] Voice 3: or scope that's written there and i think this

[3:32:21] Voice 3: technically i don't think it needs any wording changes but i know we've got uh

[3:32:25] Voice 3: the project goals are

[3:32:28] Voice 11: one of the things we have to make sure to communicate in a way

[3:32:32] Voice 11: that people can understand and see that it's how the goals might have to present in clear

[3:32:40] Voice 11: language so that that's understood.

[3:32:50] Voice 3: And then on page 15,

[3:32:54] Voice 9: I

[3:32:55] Voice 3: made reference to the separate First Nations engagement process.

[3:33:03] Voice 3: And this is just, this is a, I always concern when I hear separate, you know, or parallel

[3:33:13] Voice 3: processes, mathematically parallel lines never come together.

[3:33:17] Voice 3: and that's a problem because that that and i think we're seeing it you know the problems with their

[3:33:23] Voice 3: land act

[3:33:24] Voice 3: and so forth you know when we have talked to one group and talk to another group and we

[3:33:29] Voice 3: don't connect them um we're just trailing so i'd like to just add just you know it's separate but

[3:33:37] Voice 3: linked there's touch points where we come back together to communicate back and forth

[3:33:42] Voice 3: um from

[3:33:43] Voice 11: the various engagement processes so that there's

[3:33:45] Voice 11: that there isn't

[3:33:47] Voice 11: set up over one or the other

[3:33:49] Voice 11: and then at the end we've got

[3:33:50] Voice 11: could

[3:33:51] Voice 3: have divergent opinions

[3:33:52] Voice 3: which just is a crash course

[3:33:54] Voice 3: so just adding that

[3:33:56] Voice 3: but linked

[3:33:57] Voice 3: and I really challenge

[3:33:59] Voice 3: understand why they're separate but

[3:34:02] Voice 3: you've got to find ways to

[3:34:04] Voice 3: bring them back together again

[3:34:06] Voice 3: for the benefit of the community and transparency

[3:34:08] Voice 3: this is all about these little

[3:34:10] Voice 3: black holes where they can cause

[3:34:14] Voice 3: contention

[3:34:17] Voice 3: And then the only final thing is under the working groups on page 16, I think where we talked about the, I'd say don't limit yourselves on the working groups, that there could be a short-term rental working group.

[3:34:37] Voice 3: And I would say other working groups as needed so that you're allowing ourselves the space in the work plan that we don't know what's going to come up through the conversations.

[3:34:46] Voice 3: There may be a need for another working group, but they couldn't be sure of it.

[3:34:52] Voice 3: It could be just one meeting and bringing the right people together and they're talked about.

[3:34:56] Voice 3: So don't limit yourselves with the let's be able to pull out whatever working

[3:35:02] Voice 11: groups need to be created to address what's going on in the process or not.

[3:35:10] Voice 11: You might not need any of them or you might need more.

[3:35:15] Voice 11: those are the only comments that doesn't work i don't know i'm so thrilled to see this jesse

[3:35:22] Voice 11: harris do you have anything to add on uh appendix one in terms of the right ways you know usually

[3:35:26] Voice 11: they say you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all i don't think people would be

[3:35:32] Voice 11: pretty happy with that um it's funny we're almost two years in here other people and you know yet

[3:35:40] Voice 11: that 530 has been reduced to a laughable number of units,

[3:35:44] Voice 11: which is 537, under Laura Patrick's silly idea,

[3:35:49] Voice 11: her quotes, her idea, her words,

[3:35:52] Voice 11: in order to raise the eye of the rest of the community,

[3:35:55] Voice 11: it's still yet nothing.

[3:35:56] Voice 11: So now we've got this, and what is this?

[3:36:01] Voice 11: I hear words, I hear all these working groups,

[3:36:03] Voice 11: and this and that, nothing is happening.

[3:36:05] Voice 11: There's a workforce ownership housing crisis going on.

[3:36:09] Voice 11: The IDAS Trust has known for 20 years that we

[3:36:13] Voice 10: need to do something about it, and nothing

[3:36:14] Voice 10: has been done.

[3:36:15] Voice 10: And we're talking about considering new development permit areas?

[3:36:19] Voice 10: Well, that isn't going to help housing.

[3:36:20] Voice 10: I keep hearing from my fellow trustee that, oh, we've got to do something about it.

[3:36:24] Voice 11: We need housing.

[3:36:25] Voice 10: We need housing.

[3:36:25] Voice 11: And I've been trying to make the fellow feel guilty here, who has a permit for an application

[3:36:30] Voice 11: for a big house, and maybe tells him to take it.

[3:36:33] Voice 11: Come on.

[3:36:35] Voice 11: trustee harris um do

[3:36:37] Voice 8: you have anything specifically on yeah

[3:36:40] Voice 10: why are we doing

[3:36:41] Voice 10: new development considering new development barriers i

[3:36:44] Voice 11: do not understand like zero when

[3:36:47] Voice 11: are we going to um amend the housing section of the ocp i'd like to know that within the course

[3:36:55] Voice 11: of the next year probably a year so the last thing i heard from stephen cermak that could be done in

[3:37:00] Voice 11: two months so why is it going to take a year so i'll just leave it there i'm not happy with any

[3:37:08] Voice 11: of this um not just me but many people in the community that um so again as you can see in the

[3:37:17] Voice 11: report here are the minutes from last um the last meeting i opposed basically all this i still

[3:37:23] Voice 11: oppose it and i'll leave it there yeah okay and and uh just to let you know i i uh reviewed the

[3:37:32] Voice 11: video of the meeting last week so um in addition to your noted opposition there i did look at the

[3:37:40] Voice 11: the discussion um on that on that side i

[3:37:44] Voice 8: i'm kind of you

[3:37:44] Voice 11: weren't here i

[3:37:45] Voice 8: wasn't here right uh

[3:37:47] Voice 8: mr lachlan was the chair but i didn't take the opportunity to look at the video so

[3:37:52] Voice 8: i i get that i i get that you're not delighted with with where this is at um what i was

[3:38:00] Voice 8: specifically wondering is if you had any uh uh like specific recommendations i'd recommend that

[3:38:07] Voice 11: we um and it's not much that's what i think right for one thing and to speed it up two months we

[3:38:17] Voice 11: should be able to have the housing section of the ocp um amended so that it would be in line

[3:38:22] Voice 11: with bylaw 530 okay yes so in terms of appendix one just Patrick you okay and

[3:38:43] Voice 11: is there any desire to are you happy with just having stuff here those are

[3:38:50] Voice 11: are you wishing to make the motions around that or I guess I'll just stop

[3:38:57] Voice 11: i would i would turn to the regional planning manager to ask whether amendments

[3:39:01] Voice 11: or whether resolutions are required to make this maintenance or not

[3:39:12] Voice 11: pretty wide

[3:39:26] yeah i mean like i think trustee patrick has suggested some

[3:39:31] Voice 11: specific ruling changes in certain areas and maybe we need those changes i just wonder if

[3:39:39] Voice 11: they do resolutions

[3:39:39] Voice 11: there yeah i mean i'm happy to

[3:39:42] Voice 11: make it as a

[3:39:43] Voice 3: resolution i've already provided

[3:39:45] Voice 3: my text if you need to throw it from it

[3:39:46] Voice 11: it seems to have been adequate um lately to have um feedback

[3:39:51] Voice 11: to make just a resolution that um the planner um would amend the work plan from this conversation

[3:40:01] Voice 10: If

[3:40:01] Voice 11: you feel that we're getting to that point

[3:40:02] Voice 10: where we're trying to get to a point of acceptance

[3:40:06] Voice 10: on this work plan.

[3:40:07] Voice 3: I'm prepared to accept.

[3:40:08] Voice 3: I think these are very minor changes.

[3:40:11] Voice 3: I'm

[3:40:11] Voice 11: trying to clarify where we've got potential pitfalls in the community is all I was focusing

[3:40:16] Voice 11: on.

[3:40:17] Voice 11: Transparency in the process.

[3:40:21] Voice 11: i think a resolution to the planet to come back um there's an update for the for this

[3:40:27] Voice 11: discussion would probably be the most efficient approach and um or what could we endorse it

[3:40:33] or you know i think

[3:40:35] Voice 11: i endorse as a mandate i mean it's a that's disgusting endorse as

[3:40:40] Voice 11: discussed or i can make a motion i've got sufficient to be like you have a recommended

[3:40:45] Voice 11: it's like you said you have a recommended motion all right let's get in this motion

[3:40:58] Voice 9: want to

[3:41:12] Voice 11: just take

[3:41:22] Voice 9: a minute and

[3:41:23] Voice 11: compile that

[3:41:24] Voice 11: oh no that's just these first ones so it's no it's not all of them it's just three or

[3:44:37] Voice 11: black here, but it's working for you there. Chris will probably

[3:44:41] Voice 11: have to be probably here's the public work. So some people kind

[3:44:57] Voice 11: of say, Oh, really great. They'll respond to us.

[3:45:04] Voice 11: The last section of the subject area. Yeah, I'm just

[3:45:35] Voice 11: Yeah, so I just because I'm wondering, is that what I'm mentioning, the terms of records

[3:45:50] Voice 11: terms.

[3:46:19] Voice 11: Yeah, I can probably reach out to them if they're willing to do that, I don't mean

[3:46:57] Voice 11: Okay, we got it.

[3:47:14] Voice 11: Yeah. I think they're going to have a jump question. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Sorry

[3:47:24] Voice 9: about

[3:47:25] Voice 11: that. Okay. You're ready

[3:47:26] Voice 9: to roll the reading.

[3:47:37] Voice 11: All right. Are you ready, Mr. Chair?

[3:47:38] Voice 11: Yes, please. Okay. I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee amend the Salt

[3:47:43] Voice 11: Spring Island OCP land use bylaw update for the terms of practice as follows. Section

[3:47:49] Voice 11: Section D. Section D, as I was supposed to tell you, add the data and mapping inputs

[3:47:57] Voice 11: into the suitable line analysis will be customized to Salt Spring Island and

[3:48:01] Voice 11: developed in a transparent

[3:48:02] Voice 11: gauge pattern.

[3:48:04] Voice 11: The following in particular, this project will use a simple line analysis that has the

[3:48:12] Voice 11: whole sentence there if it follows it.

[3:48:14] Voice 11: The second bullet project communication section add the project goals to the first sub-bullet

[3:48:20] Voice 11: so that it leads the project goals from that course scope, and the third bullet is community

[3:48:27] Voice 11: engagement section.

[3:48:28] Voice 11: Last sentence replaced engagement with First Nations Island residents will be considered

[3:48:35] Voice 11: a separate First Nations engagement approach

[3:48:37] Voice 11: with engagement with First Nations Island

[3:48:40] Voice 11: residents will be considered a separate but linked person um final blood subject area so

[3:48:48] Voice 11: like working groups that short-term rentals working group and other working groups as

[3:48:53] Voice 11: so moved i'll take that um discussion yes please um i'm not a favor of this in any way shape or

[3:49:10] Voice 11: form the timeline is way too long the last election was all dependent on you know the

[3:49:16] Voice 11: community engagement that we need are needed for this we don't need more community engagement

[3:49:20] Voice 11: it's just a solid tactic that's been used for years by the island's trust um the last election

[3:49:25] Voice 11: fellow trustee patrick could you hit the ground running with addressing the housing issues we've

[3:49:31] Voice 11: got here well i've seen we're running backwards this timeline is far too long i'm not supportive

[3:49:38] Voice 11: okay uh anything further we're just debating a motion on amending some language in the document

[3:49:44] Voice 11: right now we're not endorsing no perfect balance all right so uh that made the case uh question on

[3:49:53] Voice 11: the motion on the floor all those in favor and any opposed no closing i think i've got noted

[3:50:01] Voice 11: and the welcome carries uh and then so i think we can do the motion why don't we do the motion

[3:50:10] Voice 11: Do you want to just go on to the second section and then do these four recommendations at once or doesn't

[3:50:19] Voice 3: matter, but

[3:50:20] Voice 11: we said we're going to address them one at a time so let's go ahead and look at the community engagement and communications strategy section and start on page 20 of the agenda.

[3:50:45] Voice 11: So appendix two to your staff report contains the draft community engagement and communication

[3:50:51] Voice 11: strategy for the OCP and LWB project.

[3:50:54] Voice 11: This document provides a high level description of who is going to engage in this project,

[3:51:00] Voice 11: when they're going to engage and in what ways.

[3:51:03] Voice 11: Probably important to note that this is not down to the task level.

[3:51:07] Voice 11: So, you know, the exact format that engagement might take at a certain time during the project

[3:51:13] Voice 11: is not reflected in this document.

[3:51:14] Voice 11: It's a little more generalized than that, though it does align with the sort of fagotting

[3:51:18] Voice 11: timeline that was proposed in the terms of reference.

[3:51:23] Voice 11: We've done our best, I think, to capture within this what the LTC had previously resolved,

[3:51:29] Voice 11: which was that they were hoping that community engagement going forward can be predicated

[3:51:38] Voice 11: So we're going to do our best to ensure that those principles are honoured as we move forward.

[3:51:44] Voice 11: We also generally lean on the IAP2 spectrum of public engagement when we think about the

[3:51:51] Voice 11: level or the depth at which we engage certain components of the community as we move forward

[3:51:56] Voice 11: on projects.

[3:51:56] Voice 11: And so you will see that on page 28 of the addendum, on table 4, there's a problem with

[3:52:09] Voice 11: that.

[3:52:09] Voice 11: We've sort of indicated, using the IAP2 language, the type of consultation that will take place

[3:52:15] Voice 11: with various members of our community here.

[3:52:18] Voice 11: So for residents and advocacy groups, we have them at the consultation level that are with

[3:52:25] Voice 11: the IAP2 spectrum.

[3:52:26] Voice 11: for service groups they don't need service clubs necessarily but then groups on island

[3:52:31] Voice 11: could provide tangible social or physical services to the community we have them

[3:52:35] at all levels sort of the highest level that we can foresee involving them in this project and

[3:52:42] Voice 11: then our agency partners the regional district water this the various improvement districts

[3:52:47] Voice 11: that provide water services on the island we have them at the collaborate level which is to say that

[3:52:52] Voice 11: As we move forward in substantive amendments to the OCP, we want to ensure that they are

[3:53:00] Voice 11: at the very least not conflicting and hopefully consistent with the direction that other agencies

[3:53:07] Voice 11: are heading so that our OCP reflect all sort of government entities and the shared vision

[3:53:15] Voice 11: for them.

[3:53:19] Voice 11: you know within this document you'll see that there is a little bit dedicated to what role

[3:53:24] Voice 11: you elected officials could or should play in this process and I guess we're hoping that

[3:53:30] as we begin to go to the community begin

[3:53:33] Voice 11: to tell them about this project begin to engage them in

[3:53:36] Voice 11: this project that you can be enthusiastic champions of this project so that really so

[3:53:43] Voice 11: that the community wants to be engaged in it because the more that the community is engaged

[3:53:48] Voice 11: is ultimately going to be at the end of it. So I don't know if there's an opportunity

[3:53:53] Voice 11: at this table today to discuss the role that you foresee for yourselves, which we can forward

[3:53:58] Voice 11: to this, but that is their consideration.

[3:54:01] Voice 11: 2.2 is probably about all I will say on engagement strategy side of things right now. I think

[3:54:13] Voice 11: the document is relatively straightforward. It is kind of standardised format that one

[3:54:18] Voice 11: this government project planning around around thank you okay thank you uh trustees i have a

[3:54:29] Voice 11: question here um what specifically um or which equity groups are we talking about you know i

[3:54:37] Voice 11: think that has yet to be defined in this it was a desire of the ltc to ensure that we sought equity

[3:54:45] Voice 11: in our engagement and tried to engage traditionally underrepresented groups i suppose

[3:54:50] Voice 11: proposed in Island's trust planning processes, but I guess I would be interested to hear

[3:54:53] Voice 11: from the trustees who you think has been underrepresented and who we need to ensure we reach to our

[3:55:02] Voice 11: engagement.

[3:55:10] Voice 11: Any further thoughts?

[3:55:14] Voice 11: I just had a really troubled by this.

[3:55:23] Voice 11: We have a workforce ownership housing trust.

[3:55:26] Voice 11: Don't mention that.

[3:55:28] Voice 11: Nobody's saying squat.

[3:55:31] Voice 11: Just ignore it.

[3:55:32] Voice 11: Like it's not even happening.

[3:55:34] Voice 11: how can we go to how great this is we're going to do this great work and finally and hello there's

[3:55:40] Voice 11: a crisis going on we've got a timeline of two something years and we know in full battle it

[3:55:48] Voice 11: will be longer thank you that's patrick hang on the second yeah again uh thank you for the

[3:55:58] Voice 11: community engagement i'm so glad again to see that we're looking at the various types of stakeholders

[3:56:04] Voice 11: there's that have different levels of engagement for us to um schedule which is which is correct

[3:56:10] Voice 11: i'm glad to see that historically we're just putting one level for an entire project which is

[3:56:15] Voice 11: not right

[3:56:16] Voice 3: so this is this is really good um again i just have the same catch we talked about a

[3:56:22] Voice 3: separate engagement plan for the first nations so that that but linked is uh is uh important to

[3:56:29] Voice 3: put in there.

[3:56:31] Voice 9: And page 30 under key

[3:56:35] Voice 11: messages, I don't know, is this something, is this fixed

[3:56:41] Voice 11: or

[3:56:42] Voice 3: is this something that is meant to be an example? Because I think one of the messages

[3:56:48] Voice 3: that is important about this is the fact that we do recognize that there were voices, like

[3:57:00] Voice 3: the last update in 2008 did not seek out all the

[3:57:05] Voice 11: voices they sought out and then using an equitable

[3:57:10] Voice 3: based engagement process that we are intending you know the voices that um uh make up the island

[3:57:19] Voice 3: i looked at the san juan island's comprehensive plan and they put they put right in there and

[3:57:26] Voice 3: I said, you know, that last time we updated it, the community did a good job.

[3:57:31] Voice 3: We recognize.

[3:57:32] Voice 3: And I know one of the authors is still alive.

[3:57:37] Voice 3: He's quite sensitive to the work that was done in the 2008 OCD.

[3:57:43] Voice 3: They did a good job at that time.

[3:57:45] Voice 3: But, you know, I think it's important that what they did in San Juan is they said,

[3:57:49] Voice 3: but we now recognize there was a whole lot of people in our island we didn't talk to.

[3:57:56] Voice 11: And

[3:57:56] Voice 3: they put that right in their document, which I thought was important. So I think that's what

[3:58:01] Voice 3: part of this is, is we know that's one of the things. You say the OCP generally looks good,

[3:58:08] Voice 3: but we need to go out there and talk to

[3:58:10] Voice 11: those that certainly need that solving.

[3:58:18] Voice 3: So I don't

[3:58:19] Voice 3: know if we need to add

[3:58:20] Voice 11: that message, or is that something

[3:58:21] Voice 11: that you feel we could have a chance to

[3:58:23] Voice 11: do um you know this is really just a draft at the moment for for the ltc's consideration so

[3:58:30] Voice 11: i think if there are changes that you'd like to see maybe it's probably best to make them

[3:58:35] by resolution and we can return it with the

[3:58:39] Voice 11: effective document you don't have to

[3:58:41] Voice 11: uh specify the exact language that you want included in there but thematically if you wish

[3:58:45] Voice 11: to ensure that we include key messaging about what you just described that's to do that by resolution

[3:58:53] Voice 11: I could, Mr. Chair. I would also add that this engagement strategy is intended to act

[3:59:05] Voice 10: as something of

[3:59:06] Voice 11: a guide for the eventual planning that will actually be the thing doing.

[3:59:14] Voice 11: And it's quite often I find through the length of larger policy projects like this, you start

[3:59:21] Voice 11: with really working with, for example, that working group for the APC to come up with,

[3:59:27] Voice 11: you know, who are the community groups that we need to engage with, the actual people

[3:59:32] Voice 11: sometimes and really marginalized areas, you start with that list and you make, as you

[3:59:41] Voice 11: go through the process i get by other beliefs um that come into the process uh some people leave

[3:59:49] Voice 11: um but it isn't really it's a moving very moving process so um i think if there's a level of

[3:59:59] Voice 11: accepted

[4:00:00] Voice 11: and you feel that the guidance provided here in this engagement strategy is that a competent

[4:00:06] Voice 11: engagement professional who's versed in these practices should be able to do that work and

[4:00:12] Voice 11: feel that they have their marching orders. You feel you can set expectations related back to this

[4:00:20] Voice 11: process. By inference, the staff should be able to manage that.

[4:00:28] Voice 10: That's really what we're looking

[4:00:29] Voice 10: looking for in a strategy level.

[4:00:34] Voice 11: Oh, no, thank you.

[4:00:36] Voice 11: I thought

[4:00:37] Voice 3: that was what the section says, key messages.

[4:00:39] Voice 3: And I just thought that is a

[4:00:40] Voice 3: key message to say that we are,

[4:00:44] Voice 11: that is one of the things we're trying to do

[4:00:46] Voice 11: is the voices that make up Salt Spring are reflected here.

[4:00:50] Voice 11: We're not leaving people out.

[4:00:51] Voice 11: We're trying to lead up to better represent Salt Spring,

[4:00:59] Voice 11: the voices, so I think that's a key message.

[4:01:02] Voice 11: I don't want people to feel that, oh, we're leaving you out.

[4:01:07] Voice 11: We want to make sure we are seeking the voices, and that is a

[4:01:10] Voice 11: distinct difference.

[4:01:12] Voice 11: This upgrade from the last one is, we want to make sure we have the voices that represent

[4:01:16] Voice 11: Salt Spring.

[4:01:20] Voice 11: So that's,

[4:01:21] Voice 3: I have to section here, that's all.

[4:01:24] Voice 3: I do hope it's flexible and that you're going to be building it, and I know we don't have

[4:01:27] Voice 3: the consultants, so I don't need to

[4:01:30] Voice 3: see that language here, I just

[4:01:31] Voice 11: think it's an important

[4:01:32] Voice 11: the message is um as we as we go forward but if you we're going to be updating this one now though

[4:01:44] um references

[4:01:50] Voice 11: the engagement process i think the separate the late i feel if you amended the

[4:01:55] Voice 11: language in the terms of reference okay good patient strategy then

[4:02:00] Voice 3: i don't have any other

[4:02:01] Voice 3: comments okay

[4:02:03] Voice 11: um so no no resolutions for amending the community engagement strategy section

[4:02:15] Voice 3: unless

[4:02:16] Voice 3: i i look to staff on you know this is a this is a framing document that does the message of the

[4:02:22] Voice 3: voices of the representative makeup

[4:02:24] Voice 11: with the island has got a support message so it could be

[4:02:27] Voice 11: i think one of the things you really can't control is this slide

[4:02:39] right now uh around trustee goals um that is um it's

[4:02:43] Voice 11: the engagement strategy like i said it's

[4:02:45] Voice 11: really something kind of an engagement person if the dedication person is looking at say do i want

[4:02:50] Voice 11: to design the engagement project well um instead of a marketing document to some extent we're going

[4:02:57] Voice 11: up to market for that kind of skill um and and so i think it's one of the reasons why um why i really

[4:03:06] Voice 11: question i think that the role that trustings play um is is important to the process

[4:03:15] Voice 11: i've spoken about the importance of she's um being um it's it's very much a community vision

[4:03:28] Voice 11: um i'm sorry mr chair do you want to uh take a break for a minute uh yeah i think if we're

[4:03:33] Voice 3: discussing

[4:03:34] Voice 11: trustee roles yeah i would like to the whole absolutely yeah no i

[4:03:39] Voice 11: respect that um

[4:03:43] Voice 11: should we take a formal like yeah break let's recess till uh 145. okay we're back

[4:11:24] Voice 9: uh

[4:11:27] Voice 11: yeah um we've uh sort of speak a little bit more to this um we sort of paused around trustee

[4:11:35] Voice 11: roles

[4:11:36] Voice 8: um so this is as i mentioned the

[4:11:40] Voice 11: engagement strategy

[4:11:41] Voice 8: really is uh

[4:11:41] Voice 11: something that we used to

[4:11:43] Voice 8: narrow in on as we as we go out to market for someone to do engagement planning for us and

[4:11:49] carry out some of this engagement work um we'll solution like that as much as we can carry that

[4:11:54] out with relationships but um having a practitioner engagement strategy is valuable in some of the in

[4:12:03] the bar that we're setting here.

[4:12:05] Voice 11: So in another way it's also a marketing document when these

[4:12:09] Voice 11: professionals are looking at this engagement strategy, they're saying why I want to help

[4:12:14] Voice 11: these people. So in one of the ways I think the trustee, LPC has a lot of control in this process

[4:12:21] Voice 11: is providing a goal, committing to how they're going to, how we're going to act, what their

[4:12:30] Voice 11: what their goal is going to be until project so obviously decision makers the final decision

[4:12:35] Voice 11: makers is you make more than you have um but you know ocps are representative of a community vision

[4:12:43] they typically

[4:12:44] Voice 11: are community driven so because as much as we want to engage as much as we can

[4:12:49] and get that input we wanted to make sure that we that

[4:12:54] Voice 11: comes through that public contribution

[4:12:56] Voice 11: you should come through so there's ways that you know some some governing bodies will say we're

[4:13:03] Voice 11: just going to sit back and set a process um we're going to provide some guidance but um not really

[4:13:10] Voice 11: influence the actual policy making much um so get out in front and champion the process and really

[4:13:23] So we've drafted this set of trustee roles for you all to consider, it would be really

[4:13:33] helpful as we're marketing this process and what kind of stability does

[4:13:38] Voice 11: LTC want to provide,

[4:13:41] Voice 11: what type of role do you want to play in this project.

[4:13:44] Voice 11: So we've discussed the topics of championship, of just getting people out to participate

[4:13:51] in this process, making sure that people that don't have access to it, advocating for them

[4:13:58] to get access, there's a way that we can accommodate people to make it accessible, just promoting

[4:14:06] those opportunities.

[4:14:07] And then you can go so far as to, we've suggested active digital participants in public engagements

[4:14:21] Voice 11: But as far as influencing policy process, policy making process, we have to collect

[4:14:27] information in a way that's formalized and standardized to some extent, so that we can

[4:14:33] reflect that accurately.

[4:14:36] So, and then we've just got a few other roles, but I certainly invite you to have a look

[4:14:43] a meaningful um conversation about this uh you can simply decide that you don't want to define this

[4:14:48] um that's another option for you um each have a different vision or is it different however i

[4:14:56] Voice 11: would hope that this is an area where there's a common acceptance of this part of the project

[4:15:03] uh during a project that at least um you know nothing else goes in an ordinary manner it's

[4:15:10] these kinds of things can

[4:15:11] Voice 11: really help us manage the budget timeline

[4:15:12] Voice 11: thank you trustees just about that no i mean i think generally um if you work you need 12 000

[4:15:24] Voice 11: people so you know the the trustees standing at the podium um you wouldn't see that in central

[4:15:33] Voice 11: savage and other communities that are nearly the size so um i think we've got to recognize that

[4:15:40] Voice 11: that we are a fairly large population.

[4:15:43] Voice 11: So the one,

[4:15:45] Voice 11: the only one added bullet

[4:15:47] Voice 3: I've worked area that I would consider is

[4:15:52] Voice 3: because our staff for

[4:15:54] Voice 11: the most part

[4:15:54] Voice 11: don't live on salt right now,

[4:15:55] Voice 11: and the consultants aren't gonna live on salt right now.

[4:16:00] Voice 3: There is a piece that we play in sort of the, you know,

[4:16:05] Voice 3: as a sort

[4:16:08] Voice 11: of a check-in on, you know,

[4:16:09] Voice 11: we we think this is what the problem is or this is what you know so there's sort of a check-in

[4:16:16] Voice 11: um it is and we

[4:16:21] Voice 3: do have some loud members of our community that could be dominating messaging

[4:16:26] Voice 3: through you know the letter writing

[4:16:28] Voice 3: campaign that we're aware

[4:16:29] Voice 9: of and that stuff

[4:16:30] Voice 3: oh my god

[4:16:31] Voice 3: 6

[4:16:31] Voice 11: 000 people are thinking this way well actually that's five um you know or something of that

[4:16:37] Voice 11: nature. So I think there's a chance to be checked in before something runs off of the message or

[4:16:45] Voice 11: you're hoping to find out how can we confirm that that really does represent a broader message.

[4:16:51] Voice 11: That I think is something we're more in tune to by living on the island and hearing the stories,

[4:16:58] Voice 3: and we're the ones getting in contact with the grocery store by the office. This is getting

[4:17:04] Voice 11: kind of, he said, test that or theories, I guess, some cases. That's really,

[4:17:16] Voice 3: that's there,

[4:17:17] Voice 11: but it's

[4:17:18] Voice 11: from the, I mean, I suppose, from, if I could, from the work program, from the purpose of

[4:17:25] the overall project that was provided, there is, I think there's clarity around the timelines

[4:17:33] check-ins, around phasing, those

[4:17:36] Voice 11: are probably the key, I'll call them sub-discovery points

[4:17:40] Voice 11: because the only decision you might hear is whether to complete the file or not.

[4:17:44] Voice 11: Everything else is pretty much just change in project management.

[4:17:52] You can shift the pivot as you guide that process.

[4:17:57] But in terms of how it converges in the community, there's certainly a lot of work that we can

[4:18:04] do around that to keep communication live, even in periods where, you know, there's going

[4:18:10] to be a period, I think, from May 3 or 4, where we're into drafting the OCP policies.

[4:18:16] Those take time.

[4:18:18] Half-baked ideas don't really do well, with the kind of currency that doesn't really play

[4:18:22] well in that situation.

[4:18:23] So, we like, you know, the policies will be informed and you want to enter that transparency.

[4:18:31] But that's, those are the kinds of processes that we work through in the details.

[4:18:38] But that might be, part of it might be, you can do it neutrally and simply say this is where we're at in the process and how this is advancing.

[4:18:47] I think that that should fit the roles we've drafted.

[4:18:50] that um if there is some type of urgency and major public uproar for some proposal um that is factual

[4:18:58] and you feel that you need to address that certainly um where you're you're responding

[4:19:03] Voice 11: to the message that you're getting that can work within this thing um does that make sense

[4:19:15] Voice 11: i hope that i've answered your question so i think it's just yeah just it's it's weird times

[4:19:22] Voice 11: I don't want to say that but but it's also I mean when you're not living in the community

[4:19:30] Voice 11: when the team doesn't live

[4:19:32] Voice 11: in the community that would be cramming that it could be it could be

[4:19:35] Voice 11: easy to

[4:19:36] Voice 3: you know

[4:19:37] Voice 3: misunderstand something or to put more emphasis on something that

[4:19:41] Voice 3: in this other piece so that that's all I think because I think there's a there's a role we play

[4:19:47] Voice 3: in in that like it's not not damaging our neutrality but just but by you know just

[4:19:54] Voice 3: kind of checking um is

[4:19:56] Voice 11: this what i heard it's what i saw before it's way out there

[4:20:03] there you go i think trustee patrick perhaps that very little point captures

[4:20:07] what you're what you're getting at which is that you are you are the ones who are most out there

[4:20:13] are in

[4:20:14] Voice 11: and amongst your constituents and you're you are a conduit for you know from the street to

[4:20:19] Voice 11: us i guess

[4:20:20] Voice 3: correct but that's one way that's i'm just looking for the other way stat talking to us

[4:20:26] Voice 3: too

[4:20:26] Voice 11: about what you're hearing so that sort of that that's the other piece i'm looking at we're

[4:20:31] Voice 11: we'll share with you i'm saying i'm

[4:20:37] Voice 11: hearing this and um they might find it like you know then we

[4:20:48] Voice 11: Dominic process. Yeah, I'm extending it probably will be

[4:20:56] Voice 11: very public to read into the whole thing.

[4:21:03] Voice 11: That part of that is your hearing counsel. That's just I

[4:21:09] Voice 10: think that might be something to be navigated. In extreme

[4:21:13] Voice 10: situation that another situation we have used things like back

[4:21:16] Voice 11: check to

[4:21:17] Voice 10: clarify what it is um

[4:21:18] Voice 11: a perception um you know it's it's reasonable for staff

[4:21:23] Voice 11: to uh just clarify it uh exactly that's that's all i'm seeing is those opportunities just because of

[4:21:33] Voice 11: you know the unusual relationship we're trying to normally stop

[4:21:38] Voice 11: or living kind of amongst in the

[4:21:40] Voice 11: area of this is a bit different now. Mr. Harris,

[4:21:48] Voice 9: do you have anything else?

[4:21:52] Voice 11: Well, I hear about engagement, community one, local childhood crisis like this. Yeah,

[4:22:18] Voice 11: if everything was, we were in a perfect world and everything was moving along great,

[4:22:22] Voice 11: everything was okay in the community, I understand, but that's not the situation we're in.

[4:22:27] Voice 11: I've already heard from, you know, plenty of people right from two years ago and prior

[4:22:35] Voice 11: prior that we need to do something about the uh the workforce ownership housing crisis that's

[4:22:40] Voice 11: going on the hospitals and diverging part for micro workers spray workers if he came in close

[4:22:48] Voice 11: to this building find anywhere to live so i all i see here is a time valuable time on this when

[4:22:59] Voice 11: we ought to be focusing elsewhere these conversations are occasionally going on but

[4:23:11] Voice 11: and i don't see any of them i don't see it as far as our process today is there

[4:23:32] Voice 11: further discussion or action that we want to take at this time

[4:23:38] Voice 11: sure i

[4:23:39] Voice 4: mean there are

[4:23:40] Voice 11: that one message sure did we work report on amendment

[4:23:43] Voice 11: we have a check

[4:23:51] Voice 9: um

[4:24:05] Voice 11: communication strategy as follows section 17 messages

[4:24:11] Voice 11: further discussion call the question all in favor any opposed yes

[4:24:38] Voice 11: um and then so on to uh appendix three starting on page 32. yeah thank you chad peterson uh this

[4:24:49] Voice 11: is a draft terms of reference for a special advisory planning commission the ltc was old

[4:24:54] Voice 11: at its last meeting that it wished to convene a special advisory planning commission to provide

[4:24:59] Voice 11: information and advice to people trustees over the course of this project and so there's a

[4:25:05] Voice 11: graph terms of reference here for your consideration modeled in part off of our previous

[4:25:11] Voice 11: uh advisory planning commission terms of reference uh but tweaked a little bit using some other

[4:25:16] Voice 11: examples from governments around the island who had advisory commissions as part of their official

[4:25:21] Voice 11: community plan update processes the only really two notes that i want to flag for you is that

[4:25:28] Voice 11: this terms of reference suggests that we're looking for candidates that demonstrate an

[4:25:32] Voice 11: understanding of the project because those being housing equity and housing options indigenous

[4:25:36] Voice 11: reconciliation ecosystem integrity and connectivity and climate change resilience

[4:25:41] Voice 11: which is to say in the way that the goals of the project are currently framed there are sort of

[4:25:47] Voice 11: some preconditions about what about what this project is about and what it's going to address

[4:25:51] Voice 11: and so ideally you want people on your advisory planning commission who are generally sympathetic

[4:25:58] Voice 11: synthetic to our understanding of the importance of those themes.

[4:26:03] Voice 11: You know, while diversity of voices is obviously important, if the LTC is interested in advancing

[4:26:11] Voice 11: a project that advances these four themes, then ideally you're looking for advice that

[4:26:17] Voice 11: is generally going to be concurrent with those themes and provide you with information that

[4:26:21] Voice 11: will help you achieve those.

[4:26:23] Voice 11: those. And then the other within the terms of reference, and I

[4:26:29] actually should probably

[4:26:30] Voice 11: get further clarity on this before

[4:26:32] Voice 11: the strings of reference. I've had a bit of time to think on

[4:26:36] Voice 11: it, is that we're suggesting that perhaps the project

[4:26:39] Voice 11: coordinator be authorized to refer matters directed to the

[4:26:41] Voice 11: APC rather than, rather than everything happened to go to the

[4:26:45] Voice 11: local trust committee at the beginning, there may be tight

[4:26:48] Voice 11: expert consideration that come up in the course of our work

[4:26:50] Voice 11: that we need to get the apc the special aps feedback on and if we have to wait for a local

[4:26:57] Voice 11: trust committee meeting to be scheduled in order for you to refer that to a meeting that they then

[4:27:02] Voice 11: have to schedule that this adds quite a bit of time to that process so ideally i would like to

[4:27:07] Voice 11: see a terms of reference authorized that enables the project coordinator in this case simply to

[4:27:13] Voice 11: refer things that i think we need to help on to this apc but i've kind of as i as i think on this

[4:27:20] Voice 11: and look at what the local government app says about advisory planning commissions i think i'm

[4:27:24] Voice 11: being able to advise some people on a regular length sort of services just about the value

[4:27:29] Voice 11: of that so i'll have to report back to you with virgin for showing that okay great you're gonna

[4:27:36] Voice 11: you're gonna seek that advice yeah clarification um i've sought it but i don't think it's coming

[4:27:42] Voice 11: okay if you you don't you don't have it for today trustee harris so is this group going to be

[4:27:48] Voice 11: elected it's an elected group who are these people the the way the terms of reference are currently

[4:27:54] Voice 11: framed it would be an appointed group by the local trust committee we would put out a call

[4:27:57] for applications to the community to join to join this advisory planning commission and then in a

[4:28:03] closed meeting since it's considered it's a personnel decision we would present

[4:28:07] Voice 11: you with

[4:28:08] Voice 11: the applicants and it would be up to the local trust committee to to vote on points it seems

[4:28:14] Voice 11: to me it's very very undemocratic and no offense to the chair from mesquite but we have what we

[4:28:21] Voice 11: have here is it's quite a pattern of voting um myself i was elected on salisbury island uh

[4:28:27] Voice 11: trustee patrick is likely on salisbury should be interested in moving up against

[4:28:33] Voice 11: maybe any chair from any island

[4:28:38] Voice 11: but so then this pattern of voting to me and to me is uh is extremely uh troublesome so we're

[4:28:47] Voice 11: going to have this this group being created but there's clearly a pattern of voting that's going

[4:28:51] Voice 11: on and so it's like a double undemocratic when it comes to policies that are being created for

[4:28:59] Voice 11: this community and how anybody thinks that this is okay i just i do not understand many of the

[4:29:09] Voice 11: people do not understand that as well um so i i have great opposition to this working group

[4:29:17] Voice 11: and how it's going to be um decided upon who it's going to be and thank you for mentioning

[4:29:22] Voice 11: uh plenary owens speaking to legislators when it comes to um circumventing the ltc when bringing

[4:29:30] Voice 11: stuff to this group because the way I see this shaping up this is a giant railroad of

[4:29:37] Voice 11: of such proportions I can't even to me there's a big wrongdoing happening here and it's very

[4:29:46] Voice 11: concerning so you know I'll leave it at that on that topic when I look at this if I saw

[4:29:54] Voice 11: workforce ownership housing prices somewhere in there is the theme that needs to be looked at

[4:30:00] Voice 11: maybe i could have some sort of way to get behind it although i could never get behind the timeline

[4:30:05] Voice 11: that you're seeing um but here i just see again like this is supposed to be the big official

[4:30:10] Voice 11: community plan we're working on here and yet this crisis is being ignored town there's symptoms

[4:30:19] Voice 11: downtown right now just also thank you mr chair can we expand on the on that i i appreciate the

[4:30:32] Voice 11: comment on the need for a group like this to be diverse made up diversely and if there's a

[4:30:42] if there's something in the terms of lacking that that doesn't adequately speak to that that would

[4:30:49] place the expectation on on yourselves as lpc because it comes back to you to

[4:30:54] select members that reflect that that's that's certainly something that you could you can look

[4:31:01] gut we can look at what

[4:31:02] Voice 11: terms we can change in order to ensure that there's a strong commitment

[4:31:06] Voice 11: to having a diverse set of voices it should be a group of people that um don't all agree but can

[4:31:13] come to a consensus uh i

[4:31:16] Voice 10: think that's that really and they're they're here to provide

[4:31:19] Voice 11: new advice as

[4:31:20] Voice 11: you review these terms and represent a cross-section of the community and say this this

[4:31:27] Voice 11: could work the problem i see with this is these people are not elected we were elected there was

[4:31:34] Voice 11: clear things happening there was election um campaign um you know themes and um

[4:31:44] Voice 11: and that you know that speaks volumes so now we're going to have an unelected group of people

[4:31:53] Voice 11: telling telling the community how it's going to be like it's just to me it's preposterous

[4:32:00] Voice 11: i can't

[4:32:01] Voice 11: the undemocratic nature of it and then the double the democratic nature of it being appointed

[4:32:05] Voice 11: by this ltc when there's clearly a pattern of voting that's happening and i'm not sure how

[4:32:12] Voice 11: many people have voted on the skinny but just for conversation's sake it's a much smaller number

[4:32:18] Voice 11: than what was here and who wants to know what's happening on salt spring and who on salt spring

[4:32:22] Voice 11: what's happening on musketeer it's just you know if anything we ought to be throwing

[4:32:28] Voice 10: up a letter to

[4:32:29] Voice 10: the province asking for some help here maybe have salt spring island released from the grip of the

[4:32:33] Voice 10: island's trust and be put into a municipality so we can actually have democratic representation

[4:32:39] Voice 10: and deal with some of the issues the huge issues that we

[4:32:42] Voice 11: have that are looming that's going on for

[4:32:43] Voice 11: years and the symptoms are getting worse by the day this to me is just like god i'll never understand

[4:32:58] Voice 11: Okay, just to clarify, the LTC has to prepare the terms of reference, so this is what we're

[4:33:05] Voice 11: coming back with.

[4:33:06] Voice 11: If LTC does not feel that this is inadequate, if they're seeing that these terms of reference

[4:33:12] are not adequate, they're willing to take direction of change.

[4:33:15] If this is overly complex and over dozens, it won't improve your ability to make decisions

[4:33:33] Voice 11: I understand that you're doing what you were told to do, so this is not aimed at you.

[4:33:47] Voice 3: When was the intent to have, when ideally was to have an

[4:33:52] Voice 11: accessory tool, whatever these

[4:33:54] Voice 11: guys are called abc for this project up and running what was your envisioning toward the

[4:34:02] Voice 11: end of the complete bridges the fall um advertising

[4:34:11] Voice 3: things over the summer isn't great but um

[4:34:14] Voice 3: i had a couple of questions is you know i wonder if there's worth some time maybe doing a little

[4:34:23] Voice 3: bit more research on uh other

[4:34:28] Voice 11: communities and their agencies and

[4:34:30] Voice 3: the makeup of it as i know

[4:34:32] Voice 3: like sample sandwich um uh one of their projects agencies i thought they had like they had numbers

[4:34:39] Voice 3: of people type of people business owners and

[4:34:42] Voice 11: this type of person and that type of person you know

[4:34:44] Voice 11: so that they they actually described the kind of people they were hoping to fill positions

[4:34:49] Voice 11: Yeah. And I'm wondering if that

[4:34:52] Voice 3: would be maybe worth taking some time to look at so that

[4:34:55] Voice 3: instead of just saying you have interest in, because when we do this, you know, I've sat

[4:35:01] Voice 3: through many appointments with agencies and everyone checks every box, you know, they're

[4:35:06] Voice 3: all suddenly an expert in everything on the list. And

[4:35:10] Voice 3: it doesn't really help us end up

[4:35:11] Voice 3: with a diverse group that's giving us good opinions.

[4:35:14] Voice 3: So

[4:35:15] Voice 11: there isn't, I think what was intended here was more that there was a willingness to work with these things, rather than what the current APC bylaw does is to say, you got to have some, you got to at least say you have some qualifications, which is a bit exclusive for anybody who's, you know, if you're everybody knows people who don't apply for jobs, because one requirement is that you have to be mad at the end of the day.

[4:35:40] Voice 11: So that's just, I mean, I think that's what we're trying to get away from to make this a bit more inclusive. So if you're going to have a group, it seems like it should be inclusive and really be able to get along and that you're at least understanding of the issues.

[4:36:00] We can go out and look at more strict, you know, just like by person

[4:36:06] Voice 11: as well. That's another option.

[4:36:09] Voice 11: we have

[4:36:11] Voice 3: a little bit of time so i'm just wondering if we could maybe maybe do something to try to

[4:36:14] Voice 3: deal with the the different you know because there is a different issue you want to make

[4:36:18] Voice 11: sure that

[4:36:19] Voice 3: this is just an advisory body they're just providing advice they're not bound to take

[4:36:25] Voice 3: their advice but it would be nice that it is

[4:36:28] Voice 11: a person yes it's nice they work together um i

[4:36:34] Voice 11: I would just add though that Mr. Yeomans is right that this group should be armed and ready by

[4:36:42] Voice 11: September. I'd like to Mr. King will know that to get you a group that that can do that if it's an

[4:36:50] ABC that's selected appointed by LTC we're backing up a bit to probably do an advertising campaign

[4:37:00] which I think would still be covered in the next couple months. I'd be a bit

[4:37:04] Voice 11: reluctant

[4:37:06] Voice 11: to suggest that you do an advertising campaign in July and August.

[4:37:09] Voice 9: Yeah, that's what I think. It's pretty

[4:37:11] Voice 11: helpful.

[4:37:12] Voice 11: Yeah. You do definitely have another month or so.

[4:37:18] Voice 11: Are there other options? I mean, we have working groups that we've already identified.

[4:37:23] Voice 11: Are there other options? Are advisory planning commissions?

[4:37:31] Voice 11: Are there other functions or other groups that are working in the direction of the consultant?

[4:37:40] Voice 11: When I think of a community assembly, a citizens assembly

[4:37:48] Voice 11: type idea,

[4:37:49] Voice 3: that it is a dependency

[4:37:52] Voice 3: they're not they isn't a political piece

[4:37:54] Voice 9: so

[4:37:56] Voice 3: that it removes the political political concerns of

[4:38:00] Voice 3: um you know that it is a separate group that you're able to run run ideas and things through

[4:38:07] Voice 3: that is not a political body so

[4:38:09] Voice 11: i would i would back up a bit to the um rob may be around the

[4:38:13] Voice 11: powerpoint if you could back up to the yeah i think it's slightly better um one of those so um

[4:38:22] Voice 11: In my experience, citizen assemblies are, I'll give you an example, you know, two communities that wanted to consider amalgamating, establish a citizen assembly, so random mail-out selected.

[4:38:37] Voice 11: if you got a letter you could enter into the selection process. They provided child care and support to get anybody that could to the body of 30 people, but both councils agreed that whatever that assembly decided, they would put, whether to put to, the question was really should we put a referendum to evaluate or not.

[4:39:01] Voice 11: so that was that was the process they

[4:39:03] Voice 10: were given resources information so you're really moving up

[4:39:08] Voice 10: to

[4:39:08] Voice 4: the

[4:39:09] Voice 10: collaborator in power part

[4:39:13] Voice 11: you're pretty much in power like this decision specifically

[4:39:16] Voice 11: was there today they were able to do it yeah um those are very big decisions and that may be

[4:39:21] Voice 11: outside the scope of uh maybe that's a wrong

[4:39:23] Voice 3: term is there is there something between a working

[4:39:26] Voice 3: working group and a commission that is not a political animal is what I'm trying to avoid

[4:39:32] Voice 3: is the political nature of

[4:39:34] Voice 11: it. So a group of people

[4:39:36] Voice 3: to bounce ideas off of it.

[4:39:38] Voice 3: Well

[4:39:39] Voice 11: that's the other direction of it where you might take out and say okay we're not

[4:39:43] Voice 11: going to have an APC, but the engagement strategy is that set that engagement consult is no

[4:39:49] go establish a group and basically that is more the important itself, they're providing

[4:39:57] local intelligence connections and maybe advice on just

[4:40:03] Voice 11: how to engage.

[4:40:05] Voice 11: So you definitely remove yourself entirely from that process and you let that consultant

[4:40:12] Voice 11: think that um you know depending on how this part that would be bad going for you and the actual

[4:40:18] Voice 11: staff probably wouldn't want to be involved at all uh not that we don't want to be but it's really

[4:40:22] Voice 11: best if the consultant does that on their own from uh to not get entangled in these processes

[4:40:30] Voice 11: trustee harris what would we need to do to access this whole idea of having this group

[4:40:37] Voice 11: or what kind of emotions do they make emotions and not have a reason to say this is because

[4:40:52] Voice 11: we're talking about how many people are we talking seven well thousands came out and

[4:41:00] Voice 11: voted for leadership to do something they didn't vote for us to create a group of seven

[4:41:08] Voice 11: been but they didn't elect to make decisions of this magnitude i'll never understand it i can't

[4:41:19] Voice 11: even understand how it's gotten this far there's a crisis going on we need to act on we get rid of

[4:41:31] Voice 11: this what you call it apc i'm going to get rid of the apc the cplub the advising planning commission

[4:41:44] Voice 11: yes as opposed to the regular one or the agriculture yes so moved

[4:41:55] Voice 11: for a second

[4:41:56] Voice 3: for discussion purposes all

[4:41:58] Voice 11: right uh move the second is i will not discuss it anymore

[4:42:01] Voice 11: it's very cut and dry we were elected by thousands like choosing seven and we already know there's an

[4:42:12] Voice 11: and undemocratic nature to what's happening here at the LTC,

[4:42:18] Voice 11: how do we possibly want to go ahead with that?

[4:42:22] Voice 11: We can decide.

[4:42:24] Voice 11: We were voted and elected in to lead

[4:42:32] Voice 11: and help hopefully try and alleviate some of the woes

[4:42:35] Voice 11: that we're seeing in this community

[4:42:36] Voice 11: with the workforce ownership housing crisis.

[4:42:39] Voice 11: It's been going on for years and years.

[4:42:41] Voice 11: And now we're talking about more years

[4:42:43] Voice 11: of talking to a group that's unelected so yeah that's all i have to say

[4:42:53] Voice 11: um i i can't support this motion and every community doing their own security reviews

[4:43:02] Voice 11: have a advisory body i haven't found one maybe staff are aware

[4:43:06] Voice 3: but um um they are not making

[4:43:12] Voice 3: decisions. They are

[4:43:14] Voice 3: advising, which is very different. The decision relies

[4:43:18] Voice 11: here. You're

[4:43:20] Voice 11: not giving up your decision.

[4:43:26] Voice 3: So I said, I can't, I can't support. I think there's an

[4:43:29] Voice 3: opportunity to talk a little bit more about the

[4:43:31] Voice 3: structure and makeup of this so that we

[4:43:33] Voice 3: get it right. But I can't support

[4:43:37] Voice 11: for moving in.

[4:43:38] Voice 11: the territory we've had thousands of people advise us on what needs to be done and so

[4:43:46] Voice 11: a small group now advising us on something maybe they're not making decisions but they're going to

[4:43:52] Voice 11: somehow have an impact on the decision you're going to make with these seven people

[4:43:59] Voice 11: thousands elected us to get hopefully something moving and this crisis that our community is

[4:44:07] Voice 11: suffering from a crisis a very apparent one and and real one so i'm in favor of this motion so

[4:44:20] Voice 8: i'll just say that uh uh i'm not in favor of this motion um i

[4:44:26] Voice 8: think in

[4:44:28] Voice 11: my position especially

[4:44:30] Voice 11: probably more so than either of you it's it's important for me to get

[4:44:34] Voice 11: uh information from from community members uh what i would say um

[4:44:42] Voice 8: what i would say trustee harris is that uh is that uh i understand your concerns and

[4:44:51] Voice 8: and the commitment that i would make to you is that um well what i would say first is that

[4:45:00] Voice 8: I would encourage you to get people whose voices you want heard to apply.

[4:45:08] Voice 8: And I would commit to you that I would carefully consider the applications that we get

[4:45:16] Voice 8: and to try and make that as balanced as we can.

[4:45:23] Voice 8: And I know that's not completely satisfying your concerns, and I understand that.

[4:45:29] Voice 8: um but that's the commitment that i that i would make is that i think it's important for

[4:45:37] Voice 8: to hear for

[4:45:39] Voice 11: me to hear from people that strongly support your point of view that strongly support

[4:45:43] Voice 11: uh trustee patrick's point of

[4:45:46] Voice 8: view and there's probably some in between but uh well like i what

[4:45:52] Voice 8: i'm trying to say is i'm willing to work with both of you to to try and make this group of

[4:45:59] Voice 11: seven as representative as possible that sounds great my my issue with that is is that what i've

[4:46:06] Voice 11: seen with total law in this term with people coming in to speak over and over and over again

[4:46:13] Voice 11: my law 530 many people came in we have one of the largest turnouts we've had this term

[4:46:19] Voice 11: and that was ignored by yourself and we're going to be back more than seven people so how am i

[4:46:28] Voice 11: supposed to have any um any sort of um optimism that yeah that this is what's going to happen

[4:46:42] Voice 11: with these seven people when again thousands of people voted for us anyway

[4:46:53] Voice 4: no

[4:46:55] Voice 11: i hear you and and

[4:46:56] Voice 11: the very nature of the way that the island's trust uh uh is set up with local trust committees and

[4:47:03] Voice 11: having a chair coming in from from lock island i mean i i absolutely understand your point on that

[4:47:10] Voice 11: um and it's it's not something any of the three of us can fix in fact if if there's any change

[4:47:19] Voice 11: being made that's at the provincial level well if the league could write letters in the province

[4:47:23] Voice 11: as far as an ltc i mean there's there's certain certainly advocacy that can be

[4:47:28] Voice 11: to be made whether whether the province decides to do anything about it it's a perhaps an entirely

[4:47:34] Voice 11: different

[4:47:34] Voice 8: uh different matter but uh i understand your concerns with with the way things are um

[4:47:41] Voice 11: that is not the making of any of us in this room like you know none of us set up this this

[4:47:49] Voice 11: system the

[4:47:49] Voice 1: way well we did

[4:47:50] Voice 11: set up this a this a remember this group is called we set it up last

[4:47:55] Voice 11: at the last meeting with chair Loughlin, which again, you know, we have a chair once, he

[4:48:03] Voice 11: came, you know, comes for one meeting of the whole terms and votes for that? I don't know.

[4:48:10] Voice 11: Well, and

[4:48:11] Voice 11: I mean, you know, so we do set up, I guess is my point, because we could have

[4:48:16] Voice 11: not set up.

[4:48:16] Voice 11: Well, certainly the APC is the decision of this, of the LTC. However, the composition

[4:48:23] Voice 11: The composition of the LTC isn't, that's what I was trying to say.

[4:48:25] Voice 11: It is a mandatory, it's not a mandatory thing that we have to say, ALC.

[4:48:29] Voice 11: No, that is

[4:48:31] Voice 11: not. I'm talking about the composition of the LTC is something that we don't have influence over how that's set up.

[4:48:40] Voice 8: At any rate, is there any further discussion on the motion?

[4:48:44] Voice 11: We have a motion.

[4:48:45] Voice 8: Please.

[4:48:47] Voice 11: That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee remove the OCP LUV Advisory Planning Commission

[4:48:52] Voice 11: from the official OCB LUV update project.

[4:48:56] Voice 11: Okay, so that's the motion we're voting on and I'll call the question all in favour.

[4:49:03] Voice 11: And those opposed?

[4:49:05] Voice 11: May I have that noted on the vote?

[4:49:07] Voice 11: I guess whatever you want to call it there.

[4:49:13] Voice 11: I would note it on that vote.

[4:49:14] Voice 11: Yeah, please.

[4:49:14] Voice 11: yeah um question but that's a side note for now uh trustee patrick um i also had a question on

[4:49:27] Voice 11: sort of the chairing my experience with attending our own abcs that chair makes or breaks the world

[4:49:36] Voice 11: i've seen mostly broken not being

[4:49:40] Voice 3: critical of anyone that stepped

[4:49:41] Voice 11: up to take the role but

[4:49:43] Voice 11: sharing skills and really change experience so i'd be interested in you know that i think having

[4:49:56] Voice 11: almost like a neutral person whether it's provided

[4:49:58] Voice 3: by the consultant or something to

[4:50:00] Voice 3: to share to be more in that role so that the

[4:50:03] Voice 11: group is being driven into a participatory

[4:50:07] Voice 11: experience rather than a dominant

[4:50:09] Voice 9: experience like

[4:50:11] Voice 11: i've seen from some of our chairs sometimes

[4:50:14] Voice 9: there's

[4:50:14] Voice 11: someone who sits there silent the whole time afraid to talk because the person dominates

[4:50:19] Voice 11: there are um that's really true and the type of chair you have in a group has a big impact um

[4:50:30] Voice 11: this is where i mean the ability to afford the chair is something that your local experience

[4:50:34] Voice 11: may be the best um the best source to qualify that i would caution against having a contractor

[4:50:46] Voice 11: I'm sure you're all aware. A very political seat. It can be a very challenging place to be, and not really best for staff and leadership, and it's probably more challenging for, you know, unless you're getting into something like a working group, at that lower level of the public community spectrum, you're going to be challenged to have enough consultants in a

[4:51:08] Voice 10: group like that, and they

[4:51:09] Voice 11: can do a better job at that.

[4:51:10] Voice 11: and um sorry to say most chairs don't um get to contribute uh as meaningfully as

[4:51:17] Voice 11: other writers do so um you're looking for something to really steer rather than um than drive

[4:51:24] Voice 11: do we have to decide that can we let you guys do a little bit more work to see if there's a better

[4:51:34] Voice 11: you know if someone's having a better success with a better format of an

[4:51:38] Voice 11: an APC that might solve some of these issues in like the composition and the chairing of how we

[4:51:46] Voice 11: could do that in a way that gives confidence that this group is is you know

[4:51:55] Voice 9: really non-political

[4:51:57] Voice 9: well

[4:51:59] Voice 11: represented and um able to function as well as possible

[4:52:06] Voice 11: i think that's a very critical feedback from our last term experiences when good

[4:52:19] Voice 11: imagine those good people but the good people leave when they have those experiences

[4:52:28] Voice 11: so i think if you'd like to uh if you'd like to ask us to provide um options for

[4:52:37] for addressing the terms of reference or possibly just providing better conventional resources to support that. Those are probably two things that

[4:52:46] Voice 11: we could alter the process with some parameters for what it is that we're interested to know.

[4:53:01] Voice 11: Yeah, I think it's options. It's composition, quality, qualification. So options for composition

[4:53:11] Voice 11: and qualification. And what would be the other? That's structure. So just said it. What's

[4:53:27] Voice 11: the thing besides composition and qualifications? It's like it's chairing, I guess.

[4:53:38] Voice 11: I will say, I mean, you're going to get some practice at striking at an APC where we are going to have a couple of weeks for APC to get AAPC members.

[4:53:54] Voice 11: And that's, you know, it is, I will say it's an in-camera process.

[4:53:57] Voice 11: sense um you have certain qualifications or it is entirely up to you to make that determination

[4:54:05] um in camera um so that's that's the process you follow so um you know and i i will say and

[4:54:12] there's all venture to say that to some extent um reputation has a big impact typically on

[4:54:18] on selection of chair and of

[4:54:22] Voice 11: membership and things like that.

[4:54:24] Voice 11: The chairs, they

[4:54:25] Voice 3: elect themselves.

[4:54:27] Voice 11: So it's like

[4:54:28] Voice 3: it's usually one person.

[4:54:30] Voice 3: I don't think you've ever had an election.

[4:54:31] Voice 3: One person goes, all right, I'll do it.

[4:54:33] Voice 3: And it's usually not the best.

[4:54:35] Voice 3: And then they go, no one.

[4:54:37] Voice 11: It can be someone rotating a business chair itself,

[4:54:40] Voice 11: or it can get burnt out and pass it to the next member.

[4:54:42] Voice 11: You can have a rotating chair.

[4:54:44] Voice 11: But if you really want something effective,

[4:54:45] Voice 11: active. Yeah, you can just provide LPC will, you know,

[4:54:51] Voice 11: people can fly to be members and they can also check off people

[4:54:55] Voice 11: be considered for chair and make that call. Those are those are

[4:55:00] Voice 11: pretty much the options that people bring them back to you.

[4:55:03] Voice 11: Right. Well, then, sorry.

[4:55:07] Voice 11: I just I can't believe we're playing this game. Well, well

[4:55:12] Voice 11: and well-being we were so we're like just let me get this straight we're talking about problems

[4:55:20] Voice 11: with this group so it's anticipated there's going to be issues this like this has red flags all over

[4:55:29] Voice 11: it again there's a crisis going on there's red we need to do things as soon as we can

[4:55:39] Voice 11: and you know it was already admitted there's possibly going to be problems with this group

[4:55:43] Voice 11: which I can, again, there's red flags all over it, which equates to longer procedural time

[4:55:51] Voice 11: and getting this OCP finished. That's not what we want or need right now. Again, if this was

[4:55:58] Voice 11: normal times, well, this would be great.

[4:56:02] Voice 10: We're talking about how we can make things even better,

[4:56:05] Voice 10: but it is not normal times. Our

[4:56:09] Voice 11: community is up the creek and it's getting worse.

[4:56:14] Voice 11: Thank you.

[4:56:19] Voice 11: um yes so we talked about composition qualifications of chairing there's some people

[4:56:25] Voice 11: thinking of other ideas but uh like do you need direction on

[4:56:30] Voice 9: that or no i'm

[4:56:31] Voice 11: dying i'm dying to

[4:56:32] Voice 11: report back with myself the way that i frame things for that clarification so i know that

[4:56:38] Voice 11: the sultan animal request to be the best staff to provide options for chair position uh composition

[4:56:50] Voice 11: So moved. Second. Discussion? Yes. Bad idea. Anything else? I'll call the question. All

[4:57:07] Voice 11: those in favor? Any opposed? And I place it by opposition. Motion carried. Okay. So where

[4:57:20] Voice 11: we're at for our work here today considered appendix one appendix two and appendix three

[4:57:32] Voice 11: um you know let's check in with some planner yeomans there

[4:57:38] Voice 11: uh sounds like you're going to be reporting back on that next three is that what yes

[4:57:48] Voice 11: okay so we want to make any there's some recommendations here that we could consider

[4:58:01] Voice 11: If the LTC has an appetite for it, we can we can touch on it. Certainly, Rob, I want

[4:58:08] Voice 11: to bump the slide here. I really what I specifically wanted to note on the First Nations engagement

[4:58:15] Voice 11: side of things is that the LTC had previously made a resolution directing staff to engage

[4:58:21] Voice 11: the services of a qualified Indigenous relations professional to help support our strategy

[4:58:26] Voice 11: development or our approach development around reconciliation initiatives and major projects

[4:58:34] Voice 11: at the LTC. We've been working with a really great lady named Sue Palin for the last little

[4:58:41] Voice 11: while who's helping us sort of scope some of this work. I don't know if she'll be the one

[4:58:45] Voice 11: that will take us all the way through the sort of strategy development, but for these early

[4:58:50] Voice 11: her advice is invaluable, so we are actioning with the best extent that we can.

[4:59:00] Voice 11: And then the only other sort of patient engagement note I would make is that we really do need

[4:59:09] Voice 11: to reach out as soon as possible to patients and advise them of this very substantive work

[4:59:17] that is that is hoped to be launched and uh understand what their interests are and how

[4:59:23] they want

[4:59:24] Voice 11: to be incorporated into that so there is a recommendation for you in the covering report

[4:59:28] Voice 11: that uh you want to rise us to undertake that preliminary content comments okay i'm

[4:59:43] Voice 3: thrilled

[4:59:44] Voice 3: that got us involved in that which is extremely competent and

[4:59:50] Voice 11: good and i think um as we

[4:59:58] Voice 3: Yes, and I think that last month's

[5:00:00] Voice 3: meeting i told you on the item

[5:00:01] Voice 11: about it i said i have late capital letters next to telling the

[5:00:05] Voice 11: nations that we're on this we're planning to work on this project so we are late um and i know

[5:00:11] Voice 11: i can't believe just approved the budget feels like a couple weeks ago for the island's trust

[5:00:17] Voice 11: um we did and i think we'll be starting the budget process for next year again

[5:00:23] Voice 11: and um we're talking about having the support here for

[5:00:29] Voice 3: project related work do we need

[5:00:32] Voice 3: this is a big deal on salt spring 13 nations our local indigenous groups we have a lot of

[5:00:38] Voice 3: work to do with indigenous relations just kind of encouraging staff

[5:00:42] Voice 11: is to start thinking about

[5:00:43] Voice 11: penciling in ideas for budgets for next year are we um do we need some more sophisticated

[5:00:51] Voice 11: assistance, support, and resources in that area. Otherwise, absolutely initiate outreach.

[5:01:08] Voice 11: And just for clarification, I know we talked some time ago about the local Indigenous Coast

[5:01:18] Voice 11: Salish People's Salisbury Society and including them. So is it implicit that they're included

[5:01:25] Voice 11: included in this outreach i will turn to the regional planning manager i'm still getting up

[5:01:31] Voice 11: to speed i wasn't around for sort of some of the initial conversations with the coastal

[5:01:35] Voice 11: street people at salt spring island so are they how are they reflected in this um this is that's

[5:01:45] Voice 11: how much we should do and we've talked to sue about that that um element of the of the process

[5:01:51] Voice 11: says so um so the outreach should definitely happen um i might add it's also very important

[5:01:57] Voice 11: we make sure there's communication with one of the band council members who's recently been on

[5:02:05] Voice 11: the band council living in salt spring and he wants to be involved so but we need to at least

[5:02:13] Voice 11: go through the proper channels and and we need to be sure that it gets to the chief

[5:02:25] Voice 11: Okay,

[5:02:25] Voice 8: yeah, and I

[5:02:26] Voice 11: just, I just wanted to, because I can wait, we talked about the

[5:02:29] Voice 11: the Coast Salish Peoples and Salt Spring Association in the past, I just wanted to

[5:02:34] Voice 11: confirm that they're, they're going to be part of the bulletinary outreach.

[5:02:39] Voice 11: Yeah, the Salt Spring, the Coast Salish Peoples and Salt Spring group.

[5:02:45] Voice 11: Yeah, we did. Okay.

[5:02:46] Voice 11: Most

[5:02:47] Voice 1: of these are

[5:02:47] Voice 11: actually different, but I have my

[5:02:49] Voice 11: they're like they're a first

[5:02:51] Voice 11: nation. And I know the

[5:02:52] Voice 11: association is a society.

[5:02:54] Voice 11: I just wanted to be sure

[5:02:57] Voice 11: that they're inclusive. Okay.

[5:02:59] Voice 11: All right.

[5:03:00] Voice 11: So we

[5:03:04] Voice 11: have some recommendations

[5:03:06] Voice 11: here and

[5:03:08] Voice 11: the amended

[5:03:10] Voice 11: terms of reference and the Canadian engagement

[5:03:13] Voice 11: communication strategy.

[5:03:14] Voice 11: um so let's let's fly at them all right um i'm with the salt spanish trust committee endorsed

[5:03:22] Voice 11: the terms of reference and submitted for the ocp land use file update perfect

[5:03:31] Voice 11: attached as appendix one to the snap report of april 11th

[5:03:36] Voice 11: money before and i'll second that

[5:03:40] Voice 8: uh for the discussion just patrick

[5:03:44] Voice 11: again thanks stuff for

[5:03:46] Voice 11: preparing this um the ocp

[5:03:50] Voice 8: land use bylaw

[5:03:51] Voice 11: project was is a level

[5:03:55] Voice 3: of formality that's important

[5:03:57] Voice 9: um

[5:03:58] Voice 3: and no different than any other community that's uh that's

[5:04:02] Voice 11: out there i referenced bowen island

[5:04:04] Voice 11: and earlier the same things um that these are processes that follow them i'm so thrilled to

[5:04:12] Voice 11: have a work plan that would use that material to assist the process yes we are our own community

[5:04:24] Voice 11: but we do not have to mirror what other communities are doing another community

[5:04:28] Voice 11: jumps in the lake doesn't mean we have to jump with them i'm not in favor of this

[5:04:31] Voice 11: questions um anything further i'll call the question all in favor any opposed and motion

[5:04:45] Voice 11: carries and please have my position noted thank you and then next uh i know that's helping out

[5:04:51] Voice 11: my interest in the endorsed engagement communication strategy as amended attached

[5:04:57] Voice 11: as appendix two uh to the stock report for people second

[5:05:03] Voice 8: uh further discussion

[5:05:09] Voice 8: not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[5:05:12] Voice 11: All in favor? And any opposed? Motion carries.

[5:05:19] Voice 11: Next.

[5:05:26] Voice 11: I move that the Salisbury Animal Presbytery directs staff to the involuntary outreach to first nations with treaty and territorial interests on Salisbury Island.

[5:05:36] Voice 11: second uh discussion discussion i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed

[5:05:49] Voice 11: and motion carries all right so i conclude this section then

[5:05:55] Voice 11: good day yeah that's the chair okay so also in the addendum um there is the salt spring

[5:06:07] Voice 11: Spring Island annual report that starts on page 37 of the addendum it's coming to us from Trust

[5:06:29] Voice 11: area services the only thing I noted is that there's a portion saying that the Salt Spring

[5:06:36] Voice 11: Island local trust can be held in regular business meetings community information meetings and one

[5:06:41] Voice 11: special meeting um it doesn't seem like it takes into account I thought we had a number of special

[5:06:48] Voice 11: after meetings at the last fiscal in Peter Point.

[5:06:55] Sorry,

[5:06:56] Voice 11: I need to catch up with Mr. Chair

[5:06:57] Voice 11: on the page that I'm on here.

[5:06:58] Voice 11: Oh, sorry, it's on page 39, the section I'm looking at.

[5:07:13] Voice 11: Oh, the question, can you repeat the question, sir?

[5:07:16] Voice 11: Okay, so it says Salt Creek Island Local Trust Committee

[5:07:20] Voice 11: held 10 regular business meetings in 2023-24 fiscal,

[5:07:24] Voice 11: as well as two community information

[5:07:25] Voice 11: And one special meeting to not only public hearings. I distinctly remember that we had several special meetings.

[5:07:34] Voice 11: And I just don't think that that number one is accurate.

[5:07:37] Voice 11: Oh, right. I don't know how that got changed. That should be.

[5:07:48] Voice 11: We had five black people. Four. Yeah, we had town halls.

[5:07:52] Voice 11: Four that were

[5:07:53] Voice 11: special meeting town halls. Yeah. So that wasn't reflected in here.

[5:07:56] Voice 11: so okay i think that should be corrected because it's incorrect and then other than that i didn't

[5:08:04] Voice 11: see anything else anything from the trustees just to catch it um i think there's

[5:08:11] Voice 3: a couple of minor

[5:08:12] Voice 3: changes i think the first sentence i don't know why it refers to 25 associated islands when there's

[5:08:16] Voice 3: 33 so i think the number should be more than 30 associated islands because if that really

[5:08:22] Voice 3: demonstrates the size of this trust area then i don't know why it refers to bright and deadman

[5:08:27] Voice 3: dead man islands it should probably refer to prevo and secret peers are the three that have

[5:08:34] Voice 3: the most people living on them so

[5:08:35] Voice 3: i think it just gives again some status to the comments

[5:08:39] Voice 3: take out bright and deadman uh dead man replace them with prevo and secret um and then the second

[5:08:49] Voice 3: sentence it talks to the traditional territory at first station i think it should say many um again

[5:08:55] Voice 3: this is going to the province this is our chance to communicate to the province and then i think

[5:09:01] Voice 3: you should add another paragraph across the area this is a chance this is

[5:09:05] Voice 11: a report that goes to

[5:09:06] Voice 11: the

[5:09:06] Voice 3: province um so i i've written a paragraph and i think just think about what we want to have in

[5:09:13] Voice 3: it but i i wrote that we should add a paragraph that says salt spring island is facing significant

[5:09:18] Voice 3: significant challenges. It does not have affordable, available, or appropriate housing to support

[5:09:23] Voice 3: the island community. Its official community plan has not been updated since 2008 and its

[5:09:28] Voice 3: land use bylaws have not been significantly updated since 1999. I think this is an opportunity

[5:09:34] Voice 3: to communicate to the province that when

[5:09:38] Voice 9: you read

[5:09:39] Voice 3: this report it looks like, oh yeah, we're

[5:09:40] Voice 3: working away on housing here and everything's going fine. So this is a chance to communicate

[5:09:45] Voice 3: something and

[5:09:47] Voice 8: in that respect I might point out that there's a paragraph that

[5:09:53] Voice 11: says work in the spirit folks just on advancing the LTC propriety prior

[5:09:58] Voice 11: priorities to address the ongoing housing affordability and availability

[5:10:02] Voice 11: challenge and and I just think this might be an opportunity to address that

[5:10:11] Voice 11: in slightly stronger language i've certainly heard uh trustee heresy is uh workforce ownership

[5:10:19] Voice 11: housing crisis um housing affordability available challenge is fairly mild language so

[5:10:27] Voice 11: um perhaps that's this is an opportunity to let the province know um

[5:11:38] Voice 7: Hi everyone, I'm not sure if my camera is working or if you can hear me.

[5:11:43] Voice 9: um

[5:11:44] Voice 7: okay perfect um so the annual report um really reports the activities that took place

[5:11:52] Voice 7: in the last um 12 months so it's really talking about activities um the phrase that trustee

[5:12:00] Voice 7: patrick sent through um would be more appropriately used in um engagement and communications um when

[5:12:09] Voice 7: we get to reviews and and so on and then in the next year when we report back um on what the

[5:12:18] Voice 7: activities were for the last year that's when um that's when it would make sense to include

[5:12:24] Voice 7: that kind of language just

[5:12:30] Voice 11: to hear us so the report states we've been working on the housing

[5:12:39] Voice 11: uh priorities to address the ongoing housing affordability availability challenge

[5:12:45] Voice 11: but so if we put in more storage and housing crisis we're not making that decision like we haven't we

[5:12:51] Voice 11: haven't looked at it we haven't so i understand what you're coming from yeah yeah just that it's

[5:12:58] Voice 11: an opportunity maybe there's a better opportunity okay right now yeah fair enough uh justice patrick

[5:13:07] Voice 11: well

[5:13:07] Voice 3: i i mean this is our there has been some community the the bc legislature has heard

[5:13:16] Voice 3: adam olson and others that salt spring has some challenges so i think this report you read this

[5:13:25] Voice 3: and it looks like we're fine got it under control so i don't think we're fine and we don't have it

[5:13:30] Voice 3: under control so i think while you're

[5:13:33] Voice 3: reporting activities i think we should be able to add a

[5:13:37] Voice 3: statement that clarifies why we're working on these activities and that it's it's it's an issue

[5:13:44] Voice 3: you.

[5:13:46] Voice 11: I just don't see us working

[5:13:47] Voice 11: on

[5:13:47] Voice 3: it. No, we're not. That's why

[5:13:49] Voice 3: I said it'd be nice to make a statement that

[5:13:51] Voice 3: there is a big problem.

[5:13:55] Voice 3: So that's

[5:13:56] Voice 3: what I'm trying to get at is that this

[5:13:58] Voice 3: is our chance to say there is a problem.

[5:14:00] Voice 3: It says that work this period on

[5:14:02] Voice 3: advancing our priorities, advancing

[5:14:04] Voice 3: is, that's a, have we?

[5:14:07] Voice 3: We've been trying

[5:14:08] Voice 3: and focused on

[5:14:10] Voice 3: trying to advance.

[5:14:14] Voice 3: I don't, I want to make sure we're being

[5:14:16] Voice 3: honest and this is a chance to communicate to the province the significance of the issues that we're

[5:14:23] Voice 3: facing well

[5:14:25] Voice 11: we could say something along the lines of we are struggling and suffering from a huge

[5:14:30] Voice 11: workforce ownership housing crisis and the democratic nature of the island's trust

[5:14:34] Voice 11: has made it difficult for us to deal with these huge issues that we have and could you

[5:14:44] Voice 11: release us from the islanders trust well

[5:14:47] Voice 3: that's a different form of advocacy i think i

[5:14:50] Voice 8: guess also

[5:14:51] Voice 8: just note uh for your benefit trustee harris this this is uh to be uh included in the annual report

[5:15:00] Voice 8: for approval by trust council so this isn't it isn't i know but it's not i'm just mentioning

[5:15:06] Voice 8: it's not going directly from us to the province it's going to be improved uh uh included in the

[5:15:12] Voice 8: report for

[5:15:12] Voice 11: approval by trust council on this edition well that's where i struggle because

[5:15:15] Voice 11: we i in my opinion haven't addressed or been trying to address the report about the crisis

[5:15:20] Voice 11: yes the letter went to the legislature asking for uh you know to be included in bill 44. sure

[5:15:28] Voice 11: carried down in some early yeah it was turned down which yeah yes so i i'm i'm a little bit

[5:15:38] Voice 11: confused as to how this report that we didn't unless there's a yeah i mean i just take this

[5:15:46] Voice 11: as as being a pretty rosy look at the situation so go ahead i

[5:15:51] Voice 3: have a potential solution if we

[5:15:52] Voice 3: don't want to add a lot of words to that paragraph that starts with work this period

[5:15:56] Voice 3: it could just say this period comma we struggled to advance the salt spring local trust committee

[5:16:05] Voice 3: any priorities to address the ongoing housing affordability i think we're learning stronger

[5:16:10] Voice 11: words that's struggled with that that's stronger words without adding an awful lot

[5:16:16] Voice 11: kind of like that i want to make sure they'll be honest and get the point across

[5:16:22] Voice 11: well then i guess it's ought to be like labeled in there at that very

[5:16:27] Voice 11: is that how it would be i i started mr sheriff and me um it seems that um you know the purpose

[5:16:35] Voice 11: of this is annual reports get really blown up frankly um they the intention here is really

[5:16:43] just to say that you're talking about your financial assault to understand um

[5:16:48] Voice 11: there's a

[5:16:50] Voice 11: you know this isn't necessarily a platform for advocacy it's an appreciative reporting process

[5:16:55] Voice 11: as there's myriad other ways that we engage with the province to advocate our opportunities

[5:17:03] Voice 11: directly i'm not i just caution against the notion that you know an annual report that

[5:17:11] Voice 11: paints a bleak picture or you know doesn't address the success factors

[5:17:19] I guess that may not be a very constructive approach

[5:17:23] to

[5:17:23] Voice 11: this particular project.

[5:17:26] Voice 11: I don't know if Ms. Maker has anything to add on that.

[5:17:32] Voice 8: Morgana, do you have anything to add?

[5:17:36] Voice 7: Sorry, I do struggle to hear a little bit.

[5:17:38] Voice 7: I don't have anything to add on that really.

[5:17:43] Voice 7: All of the LTC reports are the same structure

[5:17:47] Voice 7: um and when it comes to gabriola they have an extra line um discussing that their ocp review

[5:17:57] Voice 7: process is underway um so if this one cell spring gets to that we would do that um otherwise your

[5:18:09] Voice 7: piece or the cell spring piece in the annual report will be very different to everyone else's

[5:18:13] Voice 7: um so that is something to keep in mind um and it's not really an advocacy article um

[5:18:22] Voice 7: although there is one in the annual report which you'll which you'll likely see soon as well which

[5:18:29] Voice 7: does discuss the housing um yeah uh

[5:18:36] Voice 11: trustee i don't see an issue with writing them

[5:18:41] Voice 11: the picture as bleak only because it is bleak for many many people are leaving because they can't

[5:18:49] Voice 11: have they can't find a place to live there's people living across the road um in trailers

[5:18:56] Voice 11: but you know there's musicians that are not even just across the road but all over the

[5:19:01] Voice 11: island leaky trailers all workforce people if you are a member of the workforce and draw a

[5:19:06] Voice 11: check you cannot afford the insurance all spring people could retire from the workforce who could

[5:19:12] Voice 11: afford their own 20 30 years ago are happy to stay where they are or sell their homes at quite an

[5:19:20] Voice 11: accelerated number from what they paid for it but the people that come in to replace these folks in

[5:19:25] Voice 11: the workforce cannot afford to live here and this workforce ownership housing crisis and when you

[5:19:32] double the that sword with um folks coming from elsewhere um in

[5:19:39] Voice 11: many instances being able to pay

[5:19:41] Voice 11: cash for their homes and they will be displaced and the renters or renters that are in an accessory

[5:19:48] Voice 11: dwelling on these properties which is their right to do so because they would rather have friends

[5:19:54] Voice 11: or family stay in these accessory dwellings that have to deal with a renter and if you have a you

[5:20:00] Voice 11: know a thriving sustainable community people in the workforce ought to feel secure in their home

[5:20:07] Voice 11: and own it. And this is done in other jurisdictions through workforce ownership housing projects

[5:20:13] Voice 11: in Tofino and in Whistler and in Cowichan, where they're zoning strictly for the workforce

[5:20:20] Voice 11: ownership housing projects. We could do that zone. So it's bleak. We're not doing it.

[5:20:27] Voice 11: We're not doing the zoning that we need. Pictures of people are leaving in droves. And we've

[5:20:34] Voice 11: You've got this OCP project that's happening here.

[5:20:38] Voice 11: It's going to take two years.

[5:20:39] Voice 11: Well, people are leaving monthly, and they have been for years.

[5:20:44] Voice 11: I'm afraid we don't have the time, and sometimes I get skeptical,

[5:20:47] Voice 11: and it almost seems like this is done quickly.

[5:20:50] Voice 11: It's a great way.

[5:20:52] Voice 11: It's easy to stall in the political realm of things.

[5:20:55] It's very easy to stall procedurally, especially.

[5:20:59] Voice 11: And if somebody was a company that didn't want anything happening here

[5:21:04] Voice 11: or didn't care about the workforce thought well this ought to be something with marcus vineyard

[5:21:08] Voice 11: where um you know where the workforce could just commute daily um then this would be a really good

[5:21:15] Voice 11: way to go about it i'm not suggesting that that is what's happening but it if it uh if somebody

[5:21:22] Voice 11: wasn't that open they could easily do it politically by selling procedure um so part of

[5:21:30] Voice 11: skip this i'm not sure how we're supposed to add to this or if there's something better we can add

[5:21:39] Voice 11: okay okay i'm gonna uh i'll make a motion so i move that we um amend the paragraph

[5:21:50] Voice 11: that we can just work for this period

[5:21:56] Voice 3: um so that it reads this period comma salt spring local trust committee struggled to advance its

[5:22:06] Voice 11: priorities to address the rest of the census stays the same to address the ongoing housing

[5:22:13] Voice 11: affordability and availability challenge okay

[5:22:19] Voice 9: so i moved okay

[5:22:24] Voice 11: yeah okay

[5:22:25] Voice 11: so yeah we're

[5:22:27] Voice 9: gonna add more

[5:22:28] Voice 11: there's more so i'm sorry let's look at um

[5:22:34] Voice 11: is there any other minutes

[5:22:36] Voice 11: well let's hear what you've got uh she's shot everything so i wasn't sure how many

[5:22:45] Voice 11: any special meetings and how many town hall meetings is it four well all

[5:22:50] Voice 8: of the town hall

[5:22:51] Voice 8: meetings were classified as special meetings were they not

[5:22:53] Voice 11: yeah so those would be ticket four of

[5:22:56] Voice 11: those and then you had

[5:22:57] Voice 8: a total of

[5:22:58] Voice 11: five special meetings well you had three sorry you had three

[5:23:01] Voice 11: in this fiscal in 23 23 24 yeah so you had one town hall before the end of the previous fiscal

[5:23:12] Voice 11: okay after an opportunity that january will be going at three special meetings that i can think

[5:23:17] Voice 11: of um three town

[5:23:20] Voice 8: halls and then the other

[5:23:21] Voice 11: special meeting in this fiscal before special meetings

[5:23:24] Voice 11: yeah i mean i went through my calendar which is not exhaustive and i found three in latin

[5:23:37] Voice 11: the last fiscal may july and september so we're just rewriting the committee well it's just

[5:23:54] Voice 11: rephrasing the beginning first sentence there you're not even no i'm just rewriting the

[5:24:02] Voice 11: it also don't work uh she's a nightmare indicated that she's having trouble here

[5:24:08] Voice 1: with

[5:24:09] Voice 11: the audio so okay it may be on her end but um so we'll have if you can have mr uh read the

[5:24:18] uh the

[5:24:20] Voice 11: rest of the vote for the promotion um and make an effort to project mark into the microphone

[5:24:26] Voice 11: again i see

[5:24:27] Voice 9: okay i can tell you okay

[5:24:36] Voice 3: trust committee amend the attached text for inclusion

[5:24:41] Voice 3: in the 23 24 annual report for approval by trust consul

[5:24:46] Voice 11: and submission to the minister of municipal

[5:24:47] Voice 11: small affairs as follows replace salt spring island local trust committee held 10 regular

[5:24:54] Voice 11: business meetings in the 2020 fiscal year as well as two community

[5:24:58] Voice 3: information meetings and

[5:24:59] Voice 3: one special meeting it

[5:25:01] Voice 11: oh yeah oh

[5:25:03] Voice 3: it's not okay that whole sentence with should be reading that

[5:25:07] Voice 3: the salt spring

[5:25:07] Voice 3: island local trust committee held 10 regular business meetings

[5:25:11] Voice 11: for four

[5:25:13] Voice 11: fiscal years as well as two community information meetings and three special

[5:25:19] Voice 11: Second bullet, replace the sentence Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee includes more than 25 associated islands, including Bright, Gears, and

[5:25:30] Voice 3: Deadman, with

[5:25:31] Voice 11: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee includes more than 30 associated islands, including Salt Spring and Prevost, Gears, and

[5:25:38] Voice 3: Secret Islands, and then replace Salt Spring Local Trust Committee as located within the Treaty

[5:25:43] Voice 11: of National Territories and Nations, dot, dot, dot, dot.

[5:25:46] Voice 11: With the Salt Spring Local Trust area is located within the treaty and traditional territory, many persons finally replace the person that's there working for this period

[5:26:02] Voice 3: focused on advancing priorities, dot, dot, dot.

[5:26:04] Voice 3: With this period, Salt Spring Local Trust Committee struggled to advance its priorities

[5:26:11] Voice 11: to address the ongoing house affordability and availability challenge.

[5:26:16] Voice 11: out okay

[5:26:18] Voice 8: uh i thought we had determined that there was four special meetings total three of

[5:26:24] Voice 8: the town hall and one the special meeting that we had uh was it not in january but

[5:26:30] Voice 11: one in january

[5:26:30] Voice 11: fiscal the best was called march you're right oh you're right there's four we had four special

[5:26:41] Voice 11: meetings in the last fiscal it

[5:26:43] Voice 3: hasn't been seconded yet so that's okay

[5:26:45] Voice 8: that's why i'm

[5:26:46] Voice 8: it out now there were special

[5:26:48] Voice 8: meetings green for town halls one was a special meeting in january

[5:26:53] Voice 8: okay i

[5:26:55] Voice 11: know okay all right so moved i'll second the motion uh discussion

[5:27:06] Voice 8: no discussion all right

[5:27:11] Voice 8: i'll call the question all those in favor any post motion carries

[5:27:16] Voice 11: okay on to 15.2 this is coming from

[5:27:26] Voice 11: me um we mentioned this morning the meetings of the crd and on the marine issues and the

[5:27:40] Voice 11: uh meeting with moti hopefully established task force um so i brought this up at executive

[5:27:50] Voice 11: committee uh much to my surprise um i was directed to come to the local trust committees

[5:27:59] Voice 11: galliana and salt spring to authorize funding for my travel to these meetings

[5:28:04] Voice 11: um you know there's maybe an argument that the crd only encompasses parts of the island's trust area

[5:28:13] Voice 11: but honestly i don't quite understand the rationale around uh

[5:28:19] Voice 8: the ministry of transport not

[5:28:20] Voice 8: being in um executive committee uh function here uh nonetheless uh i will report that i brought the

[5:28:30] Voice 8: same um question to uh galiano on tuesday um who

[5:28:37] Voice 11: agreed to uh support the travel costs we

[5:28:42] Voice 11: may attend these two meetings um i uh i'll just we'll just have a discussion and then

[5:28:51] Voice 11: i can bring a motion if necessary um the one thing that uh i guess would be awkward if the

[5:29:01] Voice 8: If this LTC doesn't want to pitch it, is how exactly I would...

[5:29:07] Voice 8: Oh, you can't just let Galliano pay for it?

[5:29:08] Voice 8: Well, we could let Galliano pay for it, but then would it be fair if I represented Salt Springs Entrance if Salt Springs didn't pitch it?

[5:29:18] Voice 8: So anyway, that's sort of the basic explanation.

[5:29:22] Voice 8: As I mentioned, I find it odd, especially that Ministry of Transportation does not fit within the executive committee funding.

[5:29:31] Voice 8: that. Nonetheless, there we are. Thoughts, questions?

[5:29:40] Voice 11: Oh, I guess a question. Just curious,

[5:29:42] Voice 8: are you able to

[5:29:43] Voice 11: attend these meetings?

[5:29:45] Voice 11: Electronically? Yeah, I'll be attending electronically as well.

[5:29:51] Voice 11: I think that the one word, like you put in your email, Tim, like you said, that we're going to be meeting

[5:29:56] Voice 11: on behalf of the local trust committee, and I think that is not the right.

[5:30:00] Voice 11: the board okay yeah

[5:30:01] Voice 3: yes you're attending as a trustee as as as a member

[5:30:05] Voice 11: of yes yeah

[5:30:05] Voice 3: fair

[5:30:06] Voice 11: enough speaking

[5:30:08] Voice 3: on our behalf um so other than that other than that little thing

[5:30:15] Voice 3: that's the motion that i i did see lisa was kind enough to send me the motion

[5:30:21] Voice 3: but i tweaked it a little bit okay um i'm the salsamiana local press committee authorized a

[5:30:29] Voice 3: shared portion of trustee peterson's expenses to attend

[5:30:32] Voice 11: the april 29th 2024 voting meeting

[5:30:36] Voice 11: and the april 30th crd nice nice and done uh so

[5:30:42] Voice 11: moved and seconded uh further discussion

[5:30:46] Voice 11: all in favor curious thank you that's a little bit of business really

[5:30:57] Voice 3: an interesting question that's something for your talk at the executive committee the protocol

[5:31:04] Voice 3: agreements are in no man's land um they once there was a policy that we removed from trust

[5:31:11] Voice 3: council that had more details of what every committee had responsibilities for but it's

[5:31:15] Voice 3: now been rescinded and the protocol agreements actually were identified as a regional planning

[5:31:21] Voice 3: committee responsibility trust but uh everyone seems to be happy to ignore that

[5:31:25] Voice 11: now we're just

[5:31:26] Voice 11: Yeah,

[5:31:27] Voice 3: there's a, you know, that's something that should be discussed in BC as to who exactly

[5:31:32] Voice 3: is responsible for maintaining

[5:31:33] Voice 11: all those protocol agreements, because they have a visual model

[5:31:37] Voice 11: to establish those agreements that are being left

[5:31:40] Voice 3: unattended, like meetings,

[5:31:43] Voice 8: task forces.

[5:31:45] Voice 8: I mean, it is kind of shocking that since 1996, there's never, there doesn't seem to

[5:31:51] Voice 8: have been any movement on the task force um maybe it hasn't mattered but i find that difficult to

[5:32:02] Voice 8: believe i mean every time i'm on galley i know there's people standing up uh sure they just

[5:32:07] Voice 8: had this big thing about the parking at montague harvard but every time i'm there there's concern

[5:32:12] Voice 8: about when are we going to get the lines painted on our roads again because it's unsafe especially

[5:32:17] Voice 8: especially at night in the military, and she belongs.

[5:32:20] Voice 11: So clearly there's a need for that.

[5:32:25] Voice 11: It's a little boggling that it's been

[5:32:28] Voice 11: kind of left languished this long,

[5:32:30] Voice 11: but I am hopeful that this is the start of something

[5:32:34] Voice 11: more functional in terms of communication

[5:32:36] Voice 11: between Modi and ourselves.

[5:32:39] Voice 11: And of course we all talked about the marine issues

[5:32:45] Voice 11: and hopefully, I was

[5:32:47] Voice 11: partnered actually to hear the

[5:32:50] Voice 11: folks from the CRD here today

[5:32:52] Voice 11: echoing my thoughts, which is

[5:32:53] Voice 11: we need the province

[5:32:55] Voice 11: and the feds to come to the table

[5:32:58] Voice 11: with us. It's

[5:33:00] Voice 11: ridiculous that I'm trying to

[5:33:02] Voice 11: approach this for any single,

[5:33:04] Voice 11: especially as the most junior level

[5:33:06] Voice 11: of government, to try

[5:33:08] Voice 11: and approach this on our own.

[5:33:09] Voice 11: We need their cooperation

[5:33:11] Voice 11: and coordination on this.

[5:33:13] Voice 11: so all right then uh next we have the report section we have the policy and study resolutions

[5:33:22] Voice 11: list at 197 anything on that today the reports is there anything that's happening with the property

[5:33:32] Voice 11: of one of my screens it was trying to get down as always from seven to four that would be

[5:33:41] Voice 11: applications sorry what was the question did property into the

[5:33:48] Voice 11: one street and they wanted to run 100 to 160 acres yeah yeah

[5:33:56] Voice 11: we're in the public hearing

[5:33:59] Voice 11: yeah so we are we are working to get a public hearing um uh in the main lpc meetings

[5:34:06] Voice 11: i think um just with some of our staffing changes um

[5:34:16] Voice 11: um

[5:34:26] Voice 11: my recollection there's no substantial response on the referrals um

[5:34:31] Voice 11: nothing on the fire hall there was at a point we've been we've been working

[5:34:43] Voice 11: them back and forth quite a bit on commission of design they've met oh

[5:34:48] Voice 11: sorry not on the fire

[5:34:49] Voice 11: but from the fire hall because it was requested for me that they be referred on that um on that

[5:34:57] Voice 11: uh property in musgrave here but i don't think i think it's it's outside of the service area

[5:35:03] it is yeah so they probably wouldn't

[5:35:08] Voice 11: comment on it okay great

[5:35:12] Voice 11: Okay, anything else on the, I just take it probably anything else on the report section

[5:35:17] Voice 11: from anyone. Okay, we have no closed

[5:35:25] Voice 8: meeting today. Therefore, Mr. Chair, yes, I shouldn't

[5:35:29] Voice 8: look

[5:35:30] Voice 11: like, you know, we need to do a first nation referral to us. Great. So we have just

[5:35:34] Voice 11: out of the Mr. Buckley said, you know, we typically prompt them after 30 days so that

[5:35:39] Voice 11: then there will be yeah it's coming together for me if nothing else comes forward okay

[5:35:47] Voice 11: excellent thank you for that update no worries

[5:35:50] Voice 8: uh so our next regular meeting is uh scheduled

[5:35:54] Voice 8: for 9 30 a.m 16th of may right here at the

[5:35:58] Voice 11: meeting hall

[5:36:00] Voice 11: and with that i will call for adjournments

[5:36:03] Voice 11: um thanks everybody and i had a question that just came to mind while we were talking there

[5:36:12] Voice 11: is there a there like any type of