Islands Trust Council regular meeting, April 18, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 26: force that um has really been long long delayed so i'm actively participating in that and finally

[0:00:06] Voice 26: um there's going to be a collaboration meeting on marine issues in the crd so there's just lots of

[0:00:12] Voice 26: stuff but i'm sorry i don't get to report out that often i apologize that this was such a long report

[0:00:17] Voice 26: but lots happening on the behind end so great report and if you can bring that southern

[0:00:24] Voice 26: and multi-effort to

[0:00:26] Voice 26: absolute our area.

[0:00:27] Voice 26: That would just be hard to...

[0:00:29] Voice 26: So it's still not online.

[0:00:31] Voice 26: It's not.

[0:00:34] Voice 26: We

[0:00:34] Voice 10: just got it online.

[0:00:35] Voice 26: I was

[0:00:36] Voice 10: letting you finish, but

[0:00:37] Voice 10: we didn't catch most of your

[0:00:40] Voice 10: stuff.

[0:00:41] Voice 10: It'll be

[0:00:42] Voice 10: on the recording

[0:00:43] Voice 10: for your fans to

[0:00:45] Voice 10: view later.

[0:00:47] Voice 10: Okay. Tune in to

[0:00:49] Voice 10: Island Trust TV.

[0:00:51] Voice 26: Oh dear, please don't.

[0:00:52] Voice 26: Susan

[0:00:53] Voice 10: H, over to you, and we are

[0:00:54] Voice 26: now live streamed.

[0:00:55] Voice 26: Thank you. So this past month, I have been so fortunate to honor and celebrate First Nations

[0:01:02] Voice 26: culture and history

[0:01:03] Voice 26: here and around the whole Coast Salish territory. It's just one of the

[0:01:09] Voice 26: many ways to honor reconciliation. And because I love stories and music so much, it's very

[0:01:15] Voice 26: rewarding for me. I feel like many of the events I've attended, it's the name of territory,

[0:01:23] Voice 26: Cowichan territory, are filling in some gaping holes in my education as a high school student

[0:01:31] Voice 26: and as a post-secondary

[0:01:33] Voice 27: student

[0:01:34] Voice 26: which it just it wasn't there and I'm really missing it so

[0:01:38] Voice 26: I appreciate that so much. I belong to the Warmline Book Collective in the Cowichan area

[0:01:43] Voice 26: and we take a book or a film every month

[0:01:46] Voice 26: and really enjoy it together.

[0:01:50] Voice 26: Last week, I attended Musica Intima's choral concert twice,

[0:01:56] Voice 26: once on Saturday evening and once on Sunday afternoon.

[0:02:01] Voice 26: It was amazing.

[0:02:04] Voice 26: And what I enjoyed about it so much

[0:02:06] Voice 26: was part of the Nagamo project,

[0:02:08] Voice 26: which means sings in three.

[0:02:11] Voice 26: me. It's a reimagining of history and it takes the choral music of Elizabethan masters and reshapes

[0:02:18] Voice 26: the thoughts behind the texts by changing the latitude of Jigwe and Cree perspectives. It was

[0:02:25] Voice 26: fascinating and very beautiful. And then during the Isle of the Arts Festival,

[0:02:32] Voice 26: I joined friends and neighbors at the Picklin Salmon event where, no,

[0:02:37] Voice 26: I think you did something

[0:02:38] Voice 26: Something like this, of course, Jared was the same person, Indigenous Food Sovereignty Champion.

[0:02:47] Voice 26: Jared was Jonathan Williams, treated participants to a lovingly prepared feast of steamed vegetables and fire-busting salad.

[0:02:57] Voice 26: The food was great, but the best part for me was the stories.

[0:03:02] Voice 26: And he is a master storyteller.

[0:03:05] Voice 26: So I just, it was just beautiful.

[0:03:08] Voice 26: just yeah really spent the month of enjoying first nations culture for me so uh fairy advisory

[0:03:16] Voice 26: committee i am on the fairy advisory committee i am proud to say that our uh chair and vice chair

[0:03:22] Voice 26: heather o'sullivan and stephen earl have just submitted a letter on behalf of all the joint

[0:03:29] Voice 26: fairy advisory committees uh it's been published in the times columnist i think today or yesterday

[0:03:34] Voice 26: yesterday to tell me see berries that they're not listening and that's an understatement so

[0:03:40] Voice 26: the terminal redevelopment that was planned for 2028 has been all put on hold and the worst part

[0:03:48] Voice 26: of course is the terminal access on the gabriel aside it is so dangerous for cars buses pedestrians

[0:03:56] Voice 26: we have cyclists strollers everybody and what we want to do and what we have been begging for

[0:04:04] Voice 26: we've been begging for us for a year and a half now is to meet with them and ministry of

[0:04:09] Voice 26: transportation just regarding the safety issues never mind the terminals and the boats just the

[0:04:16] Voice 26: safety issues and we still haven't been able to get that meeting

[0:04:20] Voice 15: so

[0:04:21] Voice 26: we're waiting do

[0:04:23] Voice 15: they not have

[0:04:24] Voice 26: oh that's it for the pack anyway great letter and i was the columnist um oh the the um regarding

[0:04:37] Voice 26: wedge island i watched the webinar that our bylaw enforcement manager warren david put together

[0:04:42] Voice 26: i just thought it was a brilliant webinar it was so informative um it was long it's about two hours

[0:04:50] Voice 26: in 11 minutes and I watched it twice for two long dinners and desserts and all that kind of stuff

[0:04:57] Voice 26: on the couch by myself and I just I just didn't want to miss anything I did note that he

[0:05:06] Voice 26: I thought he was very thoughtful about what is happening on my job right now and I thought he was

[0:05:14] Voice 26: was particularly thoughtful when it comes to how it's come to what he calls a pinch point

[0:05:20] Voice 26: of dissension and problems and distress in the community which I also find very distressing

[0:05:28] Voice 26: I've lived here for 40 almost 43 years and of course I've known much island for that long

[0:05:38] Voice 26: anyway it was a really helpful webinar and I hope it helps us set the stage for some good discussion

[0:05:43] Voice 26: session. And that's it for my trustee report.

[0:05:49] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:05:50] Voice 26: The

[0:05:50] Voice 10: chair often makes a report. Toby Elliott sits on executive committee

[0:05:56] Voice 10: and we sit side by side most of the time for all the business that I conduct and

[0:06:00] Voice 10: I think she's covered a number of the elements of the things that I might

[0:06:04] Voice 10: have remarked on. I certainly attended Association of Vancouver

[0:06:08] Voice 10: and Coastal Communities and it's a great opportunity to network and collaborate with other

[0:06:12] Voice 10: there with local governments that have interests our own.

[0:06:15] Voice 10: And indeed we're going through,

[0:06:18] Voice 10: it's turning out to be a lengthy process

[0:06:19] Voice 10: for our state and our CIO.

[0:06:22] Voice 10: And so that is heading forward.

[0:06:25] Voice 10: This is the early time,

[0:06:27] Voice 10: the preparation of the committee working

[0:06:31] Voice 10: across the trust area, regional planning committee,

[0:06:33] Voice 10: trust area services committee

[0:06:35] Voice 10: and financial planning committee

[0:06:37] Voice 10: to set the stage for our meeting in June on Salisbury.

[0:06:40] Voice 10: and then it continued to advance work from there.

[0:06:44] Voice 10: So that's what occupies a lot of my time

[0:06:47] Voice 10: and I won't label you with anything further.

[0:06:51] Voice 10: I'm going to continue on here

[0:06:53] Voice 10: with the Electoral Area Director's Report.

[0:06:55] Voice 10: We do have a report that came by email.

[0:06:57] Voice 26: I still have a question.

[0:07:00] Voice 26: It's about your report, Chair Lookum.

[0:07:02] Voice 26: And it's a question

[0:07:03] Voice 26: because I don't know where else to put it.

[0:07:05] Voice 26: So I'm going to put it in your chair report.

[0:07:08] Voice 26: and it was a request originally from this community based on another request that came

[0:07:15] Voice 26: from last September's council meeting for the Sue Big Oil Initiative and I sent a letter in

[0:07:22] Voice 26: a long time ago asking for advice as to whether we might ask the West Coast Environmental Law

[0:07:31] Voice 26: law association to give us a short presentation at an upcoming council meeting as to whether we

[0:07:40] Voice 26: should be pursuing this as a trust fund because they know they know whether we can do this as

[0:07:46] Voice 26: a local government and so my request to the ec because i sent this in 20 some time ago is

[0:07:53] Voice 26: is this useful should we ask the west coast environmental law association to help us out

[0:08:00] Voice 26: I would like both of your

[0:08:03] Voice 3: so that should come under

[0:08:05] Voice 3: follow-up action

[0:08:05] Voice 10: reports or something

[0:08:06] Voice 10: I don't know

[0:08:07] Voice 26: where to put it

[0:08:08] Voice 10: well under follow-up action

[0:08:09] Voice 10: and so

[0:08:12] Voice 10: I can certainly address it now but

[0:08:14] Voice 10: I would like to continue

[0:08:16] Voice 10: where

[0:08:16] Voice 9: we're

[0:08:18] Voice 10: at here today

[0:08:19] Voice 9: on our agenda

[0:08:20] Voice 10: but as you know

[0:08:22] Voice 10: at Trust Council I do believe we included

[0:08:25] Voice 10: the opportunity

[0:08:27] Voice 10: to

[0:08:29] Voice 10: to take that the funding that was required in order to support that given a positive

[0:08:37] Voice 10: affirmation that that's something we could do but strikes me that there is

[0:08:41] Voice 26: some action being

[0:08:42] Voice 26: undertaken there is actually

[0:08:43] Voice 26: yeah and

[0:08:45] Voice 10: of course we're also seeking legal counsel from because

[0:08:47] Voice 10: although west coast environmental law might have an opinion that we could do that that is also their

[0:08:52] Voice 10: opinion so we have to see their own legal

[0:08:55] Voice 11: opinion on these matters and that's it's the work of us

[0:09:00] Voice 11: yeah

[0:09:00] Voice 26: that's actually if you think there's something happening

[0:09:03] Voice 26: so

[0:09:04] Voice 10: electoral area director's report we did get a report from vanessa craig who was also at avicc it

[0:09:11] Voice 10: was a great opportunity for us to uh network with her there and i'm going to say that you've got a

[0:09:19] Voice 10: fabulous area director she's so engaged in regional district and engaged with her community

[0:09:23] Voice 10: and that's apparent in what she says is how she conducts herself really enjoyed that opportunity

[0:09:30] Voice 10: to uh appreciate her as a executive member of the association of local communities and of course

[0:09:37] Voice 10: on the electoral area um itself i'm working closely with mayor craig in fact it was nice

[0:09:44] Voice 10: to see them sitting together all the time yeah so um she's unable to join us regrets but there

[0:09:51] Voice 10: is a report and that will become part of our uh minute uh record as we go forward so um we have

[0:09:59] Voice 10: a standing uh uh item here also reporting from first nations if there's

[0:10:03] Voice 10: something that the nation

[0:10:04] Voice 10: wants to report to us through this mechanism um we don't have anything here today but certainly as we

[0:10:10] Voice 10: we advance our relationship building

[0:10:12] Voice 10: with Sinanian First Nation,

[0:10:14] Voice 10: that there may be those opportunities

[0:10:16] Voice 10: will avail themselves and that would be sure.

[0:10:18] Voice 10: Chair,

[0:10:18] Voice 26: can you speak to that?

[0:10:20] Voice 26: So it was always confusing to me

[0:10:23] Voice 26: that we've got a staff report also

[0:10:25] Voice 26: that's listed First Nations relationship building.

[0:10:28] Voice 26: And I'm happy to hear that staff

[0:10:30] Voice 26: is going to provide a verbal report

[0:10:32] Voice 26: because there has been some meetings and activity,

[0:10:35] Voice 26: but certainly I really do hope

[0:10:37] Voice 26: that we'll get to the point

[0:10:39] Voice 26: where we can have some reports from the nation themselves.

[0:10:45] Voice 10: Okay, so then this brings us to where we're going to go

[0:10:48] Voice 10: in public comments, but the suggestion was we might want

[0:10:51] Voice 10: to advance the Mudge Island bylaw conversation

[0:10:54] Voice 10: out of in-camera into the public preview

[0:10:57] Voice 10: so we can have this conversation with you.

[0:10:59] Voice 10: And so I think it's probably appropriate for us

[0:11:05] Voice 10: to maybe make a few remarks to introduce the topic.

[0:11:08] Voice 10: And I've probably turned to trustees to do that more than anything, but I just want to acknowledge that my inbox is full and that's a good thing.

[0:11:18] Voice 10: It's a challenge sometimes, but that's fair. It's a good thing.

[0:11:23] Voice 10: And there's been a lot of thoughtfulness that has gone into writing to us and on both sides of the issue.

[0:11:32] Voice 10: And clearly, there's something the LTC can help or make worse in this situation.

[0:11:38] Voice 10: And I think we want to make the situation better.

[0:11:41] Voice 10: The only thing that I'm going to remark, and don't be offended, I just think it's appropriate for me to say,

[0:11:50] Voice 10: that if we're talking about retribution against people that complain, that's inappropriate.

[0:11:55] Voice 10: by law enforcement can determine the validity of a complaint

[0:12:03] Voice 10: and it's this slow and they do or accept them

[0:12:07] Voice 10: and requires further investigation.

[0:12:09] Voice 10: But seeking or demanding retribution against complainants

[0:12:15] Voice 10: isn't necessarily the best way to approach this

[0:12:18] Voice 10: because we don't want people to be afraid

[0:12:21] Voice 10: of speaking out appropriately.

[0:12:23] Voice 10: And that said, everybody should speak up and complain respectfully and appropriately,

[0:12:30] Voice 27: not

[0:12:31] Voice 10: avoiding that process.

[0:12:33] Voice 10: So that's my remarks. And I'll put them forward.

[0:12:37] Voice 26: Thank you, sir. Well, I'm very pleased to see so many people from Munch here today.

[0:12:46] Voice 26: It was quite interesting when I first got elected or before I was elected,

[0:12:51] Voice 26: I was invited to Timbuktu Island and see some of the issues.

[0:12:56] Voice 26: Steep Beach was the first point of interest, you know, and the concern over safe boat access for folks to get back and forth was highlighted as an item of concern.

[0:13:11] Voice 26: Subsequently, I went over, Chelsea Yates and I were both invited.

[0:13:15] Voice 26: Unfortunately, she wasn't able to make it in last summer.

[0:13:18] Voice 26: we had an open meeting um by narrows and and just listened to many of you and the the big theme that

[0:13:27] Voice 26: was highlighted there was by law enforcement and how some things were being handled and there was

[0:13:33] Voice 26: concern strong concern about people were afraid they didn't understand the process they didn't

[0:13:39] Voice 26: know where to go to um voice those concerns and i i realized then that we've got um we've got

[0:13:48] Voice 26: an issue that we're going to have to deal with proactively so um i've sort of been watching and

[0:13:54] Voice 26: waiting to see how how are things going to go um and i've and i have visited much several times

[0:14:01] Voice 26: trying to understand uh the community and your culture and i've come to realize you are very

[0:14:06] Voice 26: you have a strong civic um bond you uh work together you there's a lot of volunteerism

[0:14:13] Voice 26: and you don't tend to look to outside agencies for support or mediation so i think it's um maybe

[0:14:21] Voice 26: it's not too much to say that it was a bit of a shock and um really challenging to have

[0:14:28] Voice 26: this level of bylaw enforcement and investigations open in such a short frame of time and i think

[0:14:36] Voice 26: that's what came through most clearly and everyone's emails and the phone calls

[0:14:40] Voice 26: is it was too much too fast and people did not understand what was going on and i think there's

[0:14:46] Voice 26: been a failing from the islands trust we are not good at communication and we're getting better

[0:14:51] Voice 26: but this is the opportunity to change that and we want to have proactive dialogue where people feel

[0:14:58] Voice 26: safe um so the recent focus on bylaw enforcement i would say that's probably many people's only

[0:15:08] Voice 26: engagement with the Islands Trust, and I think that's unfortunate. I think there's a lack of

[0:15:14] Voice 26: equity here. I also serve as a chair for South Pender, a community of similar size, and we're

[0:15:23] Voice 26: dealing with their land use bylaw. We're dealing with their community issues, and we haven't got

[0:15:29] Voice 26: the capacity to deal in the same way with much, and I think that's a failing that we need to

[0:15:35] Voice 26: address somehow so going forward i really want to see us work together on a proactive approach not

[0:15:42] Voice 26: just on bylaw enforcement but what are these bylaws for you know how can we develop that

[0:15:46] Voice 26: uh in a way that more respects the the much community so i'd heard a lot of stuff and then

[0:15:54] Voice 26: as we were at avicc i was watching on facebook how were you very active i have a policy not to

[0:16:02] Voice 26: talk about policy on social media so I broke that to deal with this because I realized this is a

[0:16:09] Voice 26: crisis for you folks that it was just misinformation was spiraling people are afraid and I said okay

[0:16:16] Voice 26: what can we do um and someone asked specifically can we stop enforcement investigations so that we

[0:16:25] Voice 26: can have a conversation and talk about this because people didn't feel safe so yes I put

[0:16:31] Voice 26: put that on social media, I would say that is not what I want to do. That's not where we conduct

[0:16:36] Voice 26: visits. And it's not an equitable forum because not everybody's there. So that was an exception

[0:16:42] Voice 26: because I saw things were getting to a point where people were talking about mental health

[0:16:49] Voice 26: breakdowns, the loss of livelihoods, the loss of the security of their homes and safety. And that

[0:16:54] Voice 26: that is very serious so when i talked about social cohesion and our our responsibility as elected

[0:17:01] Voice 26: government leaders to be holders of this community conversation i take that responsibility seriously

[0:17:09] Voice 26: so when i saw the social cohesion was just being fragmented people are pointing fingers who's

[0:17:15] Voice 26: who's complaining is it an island's trust is it my neighbor and afraid i'm like we gotta stop this

[0:17:21] Voice 26: So I will put forward this motion, which you see in the wording, and it is to defer enforcement on bylaw violations.

[0:17:31] Voice 26: Now, Trust Council policy may correct me if I'm wrong, but we've done some digging.

[0:17:35] Voice 26: I've had a lot of conversations with staff.

[0:17:38] Voice 26: We cannot stop investigations.

[0:17:40] Voice 26: investigations so investigations are triggered by a complainant or in some scenarios if there

[0:17:48] Voice 26: are structures in the foreshore by law enforcement investigations can begin so we have to have some

[0:17:55] Voice 26: conversation about what's an investigation you're not going to be this isn't a targeting it's to see

[0:18:01] Voice 26: what is the validity of the complaint but i realize that's still quite scary but the motion today is

[0:18:09] Voice 26: to defer enforcement activities so that we can have this conversation on Mudge Island with your

[0:18:16] Voice 26: trustees present and we can talk about the different themes of you know your bylaw are

[0:18:22] Voice 26: structures in the setback to your neighbors is that a thing that we want enforcement on

[0:18:29] Voice 26: structures in the foreshore is that something that we should be enforcing on when there's health and

[0:18:33] Voice 26: safety uh and environmental um degradation at risk those might be themes that we want to uphold

[0:18:42] Voice 26: those bylaws right but i think the conversation needs to be had first and i will credit our

[0:18:49] Voice 26: manager warren damon um i'm just going to quote from one little bit of an email and direction

[0:18:55] Voice 26: when i asked for direction they said we really need to deal with this in a different way

[0:19:00] Voice 26: and so what he'd said and I think this is a note for how we're going to go forward is that there

[0:19:07] Voice 26: is a current need for all local trust committees to consider and adopt a set of bylaw compliance

[0:19:14] Voice 26: and enforcement policies and procedures for their local respective local trust areas the only

[0:19:21] Voice 26: established policies for individual LTAs as Gabriel mentioned of course here in LTA are by way of

[0:19:28] Voice 26: standing resolution that is not a best practice everyone is relying on the trust council policy

[0:19:35] Voice 26: which is a broad scope document that does not go into the procedures that some ltcs now wish to

[0:19:42] Voice 26: follow and which they believe are more appropriate for their communities so i'll just wrap up by

[0:19:49] Voice 26: saying we have a comprehensive plan to review it's in the second stage now reviewing our bylaw

[0:19:57] Voice 26: policies and procedures um bringing some of the things into alignment with the ombudsperson's

[0:20:03] Voice 26: report so the ombudsperson we did a voluntary um look at our bylaw procedures and they had a look

[0:20:11] Voice 26: and said here's where you can improve so we're going through that with regional planning committee

[0:20:16] Voice 26: but that's the trust council level so what we need to do is drill down into the local trust

[0:20:21] Voice 26: area level and go what is appropriate for gabriel is there a different set of policies and

[0:20:27] Voice 26: procedures for much you are a unique community the same rules look the same bylaws but the same

[0:20:34] Voice 26: processes may not apply for one year boat access only there's difficulty getting so we want to

[0:20:40] Voice 26: work together on this i'm a very future focused proactive person i want to work with you and i

[0:20:47] Voice 26: want you to know that we're on your side local government is here to serve okay not make you feel

[0:20:55] Voice 26: about i

[0:21:00] Voice 7: just want

[0:21:02] Voice 26: to say that i'm sorry for like that's right it's actually

[0:21:07] Voice 26: been very distressing

[0:21:09] Voice 26: distressing it's also distressing to me i know people

[0:21:12] Voice 26: on mudge island i've been going back and

[0:21:15] Voice 26: forth to my giant for fun for a long time i guess to remember my babies on my backpack

[0:21:22] Voice 26: walking around my job and um sorry no i'm not i'm sorry for what you've been going through

[0:21:33] Voice 26: it's it's very distressing my inbox is also full of course and i have i'm i have not been able to

[0:21:41] Voice 26: respond to everyone i know i had to give up it was like three nights in a row well past midnight

[0:21:47] Voice 26: night so um on the positive note uh i saw that 34 people attended uh warren dingman's webinar

[0:21:56] Voice 26: that's a really that's an amazing number of people to attend a webinar from a small community we

[0:22:02] Voice 26: don't get that many on gabriella so

[0:22:04] Voice 7: it wouldn't be more

[0:22:05] Voice 26: because he's like no one's got yeah

[0:22:06] Voice 31: anyway

[0:22:07] Voice 26: uh he doesn't tend to show it again which which is great i found it really helpful

[0:22:16] Voice 26: and i found that he he seemed to have a real understanding of how he got to the pinch point

[0:22:23] Voice 26: and i think i did too you do have a 2007 land use bylaw which there's been a few amendments

[0:22:31] Voice 26: since that date of course obviously that's out of date at least for me um i did note in the webinar

[0:22:39] Voice 26: are of that manager dingman said that 99 of the complaints are legitimate they're not vexatious

[0:22:46] Voice 26: they're not tremendous so i take that seriously too um i also noted that you know a lot of the

[0:22:54] Voice 26: complaints that are coming to us are not actually islands trust related not really in our domain

[0:23:00] Voice 26: although it is our responsibility to somehow get them to the right agency some of them are island

[0:23:06] Voice 26: health and some of them are regional district it will i am really looking forward to toby and

[0:23:13] Voice 26: myself and hopefully um vanessa craig our regional director going over to lunch island

[0:23:20] Voice 26: to meet with you all i think that's really important um i have very good memories of

[0:23:26] Voice 26: i was just meetings at frank and mary bell's farm many years ago i always thought they were

[0:23:33] Voice 26: very productive so the only the last thing i would like to say is i was actually surprised that

[0:23:41] Voice 26: island's trust council does not have a policy for vexatious complaints because i was getting

[0:23:48] Voice 26: complaints from and you were too and so were you from a salt spring resident that were truly

[0:23:53] Voice 26: vexatious um and i kept thinking why why am i getting these things because i thought council

[0:23:59] Voice 26: had a policy therefore i'm assuming that i don't need to ask this as a separate request i'm assuming

[0:24:08] Voice 26: that when we get our when the regional planning committee gets the work done on the um ombudsman's

[0:24:15] Voice 26: report that we will have a policy for vexatious complaints there is a there should be they

[0:24:22] Voice 26: recommend the best practices recommends the policy include repeat complaints i don't think the ombuds

[0:24:28] Voice 26: person who deals with vexatious

[0:24:30] Voice 26: violence issues.

[0:24:32] Voice 26: But I also know that

[0:24:34] Voice 26: our bio-enforcement team

[0:24:36] Voice 26: is really good at discerning

[0:24:38] Voice 26: frivolous complaints.

[0:24:40] Voice 26: You know, it doesn't take that long

[0:24:42] Voice 26: to figure out, like, oh.

[0:24:44] Voice 3: We can have some of this conversation.

[0:24:46] Voice 26: So that's all I want to say.

[0:24:48] Voice 26: I, too, feel

[0:24:50] Voice 26: quite distressed at what's

[0:24:52] Voice 26: happening on Ledge Island.

[0:24:56] Voice 26: Yeah.

[0:24:57] Voice 26: And I'm sorry.

[0:24:59] Voice 10: okay so we would like to hear from you and um um what i'd like to do is is talk about mud and so i

[0:25:06] Voice 10: know that there are other people in the room that there are other issues that we can talk about

[0:25:10] Voice 10: but let's maybe address those um if that's all right um after we've sort of talked about the

[0:25:19] Voice 10: mud situation and so um when i'm expecting a lot of people i set myself up a timer and

[0:25:26] Voice 10: and suggest that you should take two minutes

[0:25:28] Voice 10: to articulate the message that you have.

[0:25:32] Voice 10: And it's really important that you talk about the issues, right?

[0:25:36] Voice 10: Really be focused on the issues and not on individuals,

[0:25:40] Voice 10: not your neighbors in particular or others on the island.

[0:25:46] Voice 10: And be respectful of staff also, right?

[0:25:49] Voice 10: They're doing their job as directed by us.

[0:25:52] Voice 10: and so let's just be respectful and keep your voice at a moderate tone and try to extract some

[0:26:00] Voice 10: of the emotion although i know this is very emotional to many of you and i get that it's

[0:26:06] Voice 10: threatening your lives and your homes and your well-being totally get that so um you know i could

[0:26:14] Voice 10: have i could try and figure out who everybody is and do it in some kind of systematic approach but

[0:26:19] Voice 10: but I'm more inclined to start by just going up and down the rows.

[0:26:23] Voice 10: And if you wish to speak on the Mudge Island issue, please do.

[0:26:28] Voice 10: So maybe just raise your hand so that your friends around you can see that you're going to speak

[0:26:33] Voice 10: if you wish to address the local trust committee today.

[0:26:36] Voice 10: That gives us an idea of those that want to speak.

[0:26:40] Voice 10: Don't be afraid to speak.

[0:26:43] Voice 10: Absolutely, we want to hear that.

[0:26:45] Voice 10: And this is a safe place for you to do that.

[0:26:47] Voice 10: and your cooperation in keeping this a safe place.

[0:26:51] Voice 10: So I didn't see any hands up in the front row,

[0:26:55] Voice 10: so I'm going to go, oh, yes, sir, on my job.

[0:26:59] Voice 10: Okay, please.

[0:27:01] Voice 10: Please,

[0:27:02] Voice 25: your name, if you don't mind.

[0:27:03] Voice 25: David Beyer.

[0:27:04] Voice 25: Okay, David.

[0:27:05] Voice 25: I've been told a number of things over the

[0:27:07] Voice 23: last little while

[0:27:08] Voice 23: that's been happening, and it's

[0:27:11] Voice 25: pretty distressful, really,

[0:27:14] Voice 25: especially for a lot of people who have been on the silence

[0:27:17] Voice 25: for a lot of years.

[0:27:18] Voice 25: But to be told that in no uncertain

[0:27:22] Voice 23: terms that you have the right to come onto our property,

[0:27:27] Voice 23: the police aren't even allowed to come onto your property without your permission,

[0:27:32] Voice 23: and look for things to, because of some dickheads that wants to stir things up.

[0:27:39] Voice 23: Just watch your language, okay?

[0:27:40] Voice 23: This is a dickhead.

[0:27:42] Voice 25: Yeah.

[0:27:44] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:27:46] Voice 25: it just doesn't seem right.

[0:27:48] Voice 25: And then to say that you're going to enforce building codes and stuff.

[0:27:55] Voice 25: We've been told for 40 plus years that the RDN does not want to come and do inspections and permits and stuff.

[0:28:03] Voice 25: And now you're going to

[0:28:04] Voice 23: retroactively come and tell us we have to knock our house down or whatever.

[0:28:08] Voice 23: I mean, come on.

[0:28:14] Voice 10: I appreciate you hear what you're saying.

[0:28:15] Voice 10: The history is plaguing us in this situation.

[0:28:18] Voice 10: And thank you for that.

[0:28:21] Voice 10: anybody else in the front row is there a procedure to move forward to amend change by us

[0:28:30] Voice 10: yes it's lengthy and we need to clearly work with staff to determine

[0:28:37] Voice 10: what that looks like and then work with the community to determine what that looks like

[0:28:43] Voice 10: so yeah there's a process we can enter into it it won't happen tomorrow and but it can happen and

[0:28:50] Voice 10: And I think that's what we're a lot of the community is looking for.

[0:28:58] Voice 10: Yeah, so absolutely.

[0:29:01] Voice 10: And of course, ideally, the bylaws represent the community interest and reflect the preserve and protect mandate simultaneously and are fair and equitable across the board.

[0:29:13] Voice 10: Yeah, not committing to entering into that process, but we can certainly initiate the conversation here.

[0:29:18] Voice 10: of the state. And I'm just going to keep going

[0:29:20] Voice 10: in order.

[0:29:23] Voice 10: I'm going to put you in the front

[0:29:24] Voice 10: row, Ben, off to the side. I'm sorry

[0:29:26] Voice 10: I didn't catch you. No,

[0:29:27] Voice 21: I just wanted to second on that.

[0:29:28] Voice 21: I would much rather have the direction

[0:29:30] Voice 21: we're going into changing the bylaws rather

[0:29:32] Voice 21: than selectively enforcing.

[0:29:36] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:29:38] Voice 10: I think it's clear to you all

[0:29:39] Voice 10: that bylaw enforcement is done

[0:29:42] Voice 10: as a result of complaints, and

[0:29:44] Voice 10: so it's investigated

[0:29:46] Voice 10: in first

[0:29:48] Voice 10: out of ten mechanisms.

[0:29:50] Voice 10: But absolutely, we can consider how we're going to move forward in this.

[0:29:55] Voice 10: That's it for the first round.

[0:29:57] Voice 10: Let's go to the second round.

[0:30:00] Voice 10: First,

[0:30:01] Voice 25: I just want to mention, I appreciate Toby, her, I think she described our situation as pretty accurate, how we're feeling.

[0:30:12] Voice 25: Just her emotions alone, that is running rampant in our community.

[0:30:17] Voice 25: And it's got the potential to destroy some people over there.

[0:30:27] Voice 25: If this was to run itself out word for word exactly, you know, how things are laid out for us to work within those parameters.

[0:30:40] Voice 25: I also think it's interesting that we're hearing that 99% of the complaints are accurate.

[0:30:50] Voice 25: I want to question that because I can, I mean, we're told that there's 60 complaints.

[0:30:58] Voice 25: I don't think I have enough fingers to count how many absolutely ridiculous,

[0:31:06] Voice 25: Ridiculous, inaccurate complaints have gone out.

[0:31:11] Voice 25: Like, people that clearly are not renting out their places.

[0:31:17] Voice 25: I'm clearly not operating a quarry in my property.

[0:31:21] Voice 27: I

[0:31:21] Voice 25: don't even know how people dream some of this stuff up.

[0:31:24] Voice 25: So, I mean, without investigation, I realize we're going to keep moving forward with investigation, it sounds like.

[0:31:30] Voice 25: But I don't know how we can come to a number like 99% is accurate

[0:31:35] Voice 25: when it hasn't been in that figure.

[0:31:38] Voice 25: So anyway, I have a lot more to say,

[0:31:42] Voice 25: but that's probably about where I'll keep it for the moment.

[0:31:46] Voice 25: Thank you.

[0:31:47] Voice 25: Well,

[0:31:47] Voice 10: thank you.

[0:31:48] Voice 10: And you're right.

[0:31:50] Voice 10: We need to be certain that the complaints are viable.

[0:31:53] Voice 10: Advance on those that are or seek amendment

[0:31:57] Voice 10: and seeking compliance is what we try to talk about

[0:32:00] Voice 10: and where there's a conflict with the community interest

[0:32:05] Voice 10: and we have to look at how they may be.

[0:32:06] Voice 10: Thank you for the comments, appreciate it.

[0:32:09] Voice 16: Next person.

[0:32:09] Voice 16: Lisa Baltich.

[0:32:11] Voice 16: I said this in an email,

[0:32:12] Voice 16: but it just kind of feels like the jokes on us

[0:32:15] Voice 16: because all the inconveniences

[0:32:19] Voice 16: that come with living on a place like Mudge,

[0:32:22] Voice 16: part of like the upside was for the privacy and the sort of like lack of undue interference and

[0:32:31] Voice 16: that's just not a thing anymore it's like you know police roadblock

[0:32:35] Voice 16: it's been over all the time i think the disc can't do that or everything and

[0:32:39] Voice 16: so it's like there's still all the inconveniences right there but just kind of like the

[0:32:43] Voice 16: sort of thing so it's why why anyway so just yeah and it's not really much like a community

[0:32:49] Voice 16: in that way, if we're all getting attacked

[0:32:52] Voice 16: by neighbors and stuff.

[0:32:53] Voice 16: So that has been her calling concerning.

[0:32:56] Voice 16: So thank you for coming to help.

[0:33:02] Voice 10: And I'm glad that you're all here

[0:33:04] Voice 10: to hear this conversation.

[0:33:06] Voice 26: I wanna just hear from my residents

[0:33:07] Voice 26: and I don't think we need to comment

[0:33:09] Voice 26: after every one or character.

[0:33:10] Voice 26: It's a point of order.

[0:33:12] Voice 26: It's in their town hall.

[0:33:13] Voice 26: I wanna hear from residents.

[0:33:15] Voice 7: So let's just keep going.

[0:33:17] Voice 10: on. Who else in this

[0:33:20] Voice 3: second row would like to speak? So this lady right here.

[0:33:25] Voice 20: Good morning and thank you. Suzanne Jacobson. First off, I'd just like to thank our trustees

[0:33:31] Voice 20: for being here for us and all the work that they do in our community. It's really appreciated

[0:33:37] Voice 20: in that I absolutely support Trustee Elliott and I

[0:33:42] Voice 20: thank you for being brave enough to

[0:33:45] Voice 20: step forward and take us through this um so that's you know i'm looking forward to working together

[0:33:53] Voice 20: with everyone to create some positive change and find out that it's in a positive way

[0:33:58] Voice 20: and see where we can go and inform our community and if i'm allowed i do have a little email from

[0:34:04] Voice 20: uh residents who weren't able to comment very short if i i'm allowed to quickly read that so

[0:34:11] Voice 20: So it's from the Richards, and I apologize, they can't be here today, but they would like to express to Islands Trust that they represent all of my children and residents and not just a few who have made the complaint.

[0:34:24] Voice 20: Given the powers of Islands Trust's investigation and enforcement, they also have a responsibility to act properly, and they do have a duty of care to the general public.

[0:34:35] Voice 20: They are not there simply to act as a bullet for someone's various complaints.

[0:34:39] Voice 20: complaints and we are a community and they should be acting to protect our interests everyone's

[0:34:45] Voice 20: interest simply launching notices to people to behest a few is not in the public's best interest

[0:34:51] Voice 20: given the nature timing volume and source of these complaints much of the island's trust should pause

[0:34:57] Voice 20: and consider if they're being hijacked for some personal campaigns at the very least it would be

[0:35:04] Voice 20: and prudent for them to be skeptical,

[0:35:06] Voice 20: but instead indeed to become an active participative

[0:35:11] Voice 20: participant and have this stop.

[0:35:14] Voice 20: So thank you.

[0:35:15] Voice 20: And that's from them.

[0:35:16] Voice 20: And they also support Toby's and her question.

[0:35:21] Voice 20: That's why, thank you.

[0:35:22] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:35:23] Voice 10: And is that email been forwarded to us as well?

[0:35:26] Voice 10: They

[0:35:26] Voice 20: sent an email, but they wanted me to say that.

[0:35:28] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:35:29] Voice 10: We don't have an email, but.

[0:35:31] Voice 10: Great.

[0:35:31] Voice 10: Just want to make sure that we've got it on our record

[0:35:34] Voice 10: because there are

[0:35:34] Voice 3: dozens and dozens of emails that we will be replying to.

[0:35:41] Voice 3: Another speaker in the second row.

[0:35:43] Voice 17: Hi, my name is Amber Harris.

[0:35:46] Voice 17: My husband's been coming to Mudge since he was three,

[0:35:49] Voice 17: and I've been going there since I was 18.

[0:35:50] Voice 17: I was 65, and we've watched all the changes on Mudge.

[0:35:55] Voice 17: And, yes, it is a very bound community.

[0:35:58] Voice 17: We've raised money.

[0:35:59] Voice 17: We've built fire departments.

[0:36:00] Voice 17: we have people on the island who help us with services and yes it is a difficult island going

[0:36:06] Voice 17: back and forth but we've been going back and forth since I was 18 years old and we just feel

[0:36:12] Voice 17: so threatened and I lost a lot of sleep when we first built nobody would come and help us with

[0:36:20] Voice 17: any of the restrictions and all they said we need was electrical permits and it was just not

[0:36:28] Voice 17: pretty much was not looked at. Nobody wanted to go there and so we did our best with respect for

[0:36:35] Voice 17: Black Lives Matter. You know electricity.

[0:36:41] Voice 10: So thank you for coming today. Thank you.

[0:36:45] Voice 3: Did I see a hand up in the middle there? So it's over to Leanne, sir. Patients, I've been on

[0:36:52] Voice 3: much for three years close to three years now i

[0:36:55] Voice 25: believe that the whole complaint process

[0:36:58] Voice 25: investigation process is flawed from the start if you can't put your name to a complaint it should

[0:37:06] Voice 25: be thrown in the garbage today and that would prevent all of the vindictiveness of people

[0:37:13] Voice 25: making a complaint because they're mad about something if you can't put your name to it

[0:37:17] Voice 25: that the police don't take complaints

[0:37:19] Voice 25: without you giving them a name.

[0:37:20] Voice 25: So this whole anonymous thing was crap.

[0:37:27] Voice 25: I'd also like to know is when a complaint comes in,

[0:37:30] Voice 25: what is the first step in the process?

[0:37:32] Voice 25: To send out the letter to the landowner

[0:37:37] Voice 25: without doing an investigation?

[0:37:38] Voice 25: So the assumption is the complaint is legit

[0:37:41] Voice 25: right out of the gate.

[0:37:42] Voice 25: You send it out to the homeowner, they panic, okay?

[0:37:46] Voice 25: Right. So let's do the investigation to make sure there's merit to the complaint prior to sending out that letter and throwing everyone into a panic.

[0:37:56] Voice 25: If you made people put their name to complaints, you'd cut down your complaints by probably 60 percent.

[0:38:03] Voice 25: And the ones that you get would be far more legit. 99 percent legit.

[0:38:08] Voice 25: You're right. That's way out of the lunch. Somebody needs to look at those stats again.

[0:38:12] Voice 25: him. I got a complaint at my first summer there. I called up Mr. Damon right away and he said he'd

[0:38:24] Voice 25: come over and do an investigation, follow up with it. Never heard from the guy again. Don't know if

[0:38:29] Voice 25: he ever came and did an investigation of my property or not. Never heard nothing back from

[0:38:34] Voice 25: him. I actually phoned Island Trust to try to find out if there had been any work. Our address

[0:38:39] Voice 25: has changed can i give you a new address oh no we don't keep track of addresses well if you're

[0:38:44] Voice 25: going to give me a complaint how are you going to get it to me i want to give you my new address

[0:38:48] Voice 25: but you won't take it well what's mr damon's phone number well i don't know can you look it up for me

[0:38:54] Voice 25: like that is brutal service you know i want to give you my address so that you can get any

[0:39:03] Voice 25: complaints that come in on my property and no one will take it as far as i'm concerned there's

[0:39:09] Voice 25: probably four complaints that I missed sitting in Kelowna at my last address

[0:39:12] Voice 15: because

[0:39:13] Voice 25: my forwarding

[0:39:15] Voice 25: ran out a year so this whole thing needs to be rethought this complaint process get rid of the

[0:39:22] Voice 25: anonymous complaints do the investigation before you send the landowner to home the letter and

[0:39:29] Voice 25: that's the way you'll clean up a lot of the mess you've got going we keep going right now my

[0:39:35] Voice 25: My neighbor got one. Blame me. I got one. I thought it was

[0:39:39] Voice 25: retribution from him. And I hear that because we're both talking to the same

[0:39:43] Voice 25: contractors on the island who have to come to do the work to straighten stuff

[0:39:47] Voice 25: out with all these stupid complaints. He

[0:39:49] Voice 25: didn't complain on me. I didn't

[0:39:51] Voice 25: complain on him. Somebody's got us pitted against each other now.

[0:39:55] Voice 25: That should never be able to happen.

[0:39:59] Voice 10: Thank you. I feel necessary to tell you that there

[0:40:04] Voice 10: There is a process, it is different than what we've experienced, and I'm proud actually

[0:40:09] Voice 10: to hear that that's your experience.

[0:40:11] Voice 10: I know that my senior staff are in fact to hear that experience.

[0:40:16] Voice 10: And we don't take anonymous complaints, it might be that the name of the complaint is

[0:40:22] Voice 10: not shared with, but ultimately, it has to be terrible.

[0:40:28] Voice 10: So there is a process and it's on terrible occasion would come through an investigation.

[0:40:32] Voice 10: The

[0:40:33] Voice 25: investigation shouldn't come after the letter arrives in my mailbox, it should be

[0:40:38] Voice 25: come before.

[0:40:39] Voice 25: That guy should be over there doing his investigation, letting me know he's coming onto my property

[0:40:44] Voice 25: and doing an investigation for a complaint is what he should

[0:40:47] Voice 10: be letting me know.

[0:40:49] Voice 10: We do process it before any actions are taken, but look, I'm receiving what you're telling

[0:40:55] Voice 10: us and we'll figure this out, we'll appreciate you coming today.

[0:41:01] Voice 10: um i

[0:41:03] Voice 22: found i was informed that uh mud is unique in that uh anybody can anybody else on the island

[0:41:11] Voice 22: where on other gulf islands you have to be a direct neighbor i'm not true anybody can complain

[0:41:20] Voice 22: about anybody on any any ball yeah okay and

[0:41:24] Voice 26: and just to um reiterate what chair locum says

[0:41:28] Voice 26: Because we don't accept anonymous complaints, ever.

[0:41:32] Voice 26: Pardon?

[0:41:32] Voice 26: We don't accept anonymous complaints.

[0:41:35] Voice 26: Oh, I know.

[0:41:35] Voice 26: We have to

[0:41:35] Voice 26: have an interview.

[0:41:36] Voice 22: No, I know they're also...

[0:41:37] Voice 22: I would say that.

[0:41:38] Voice 22: They become

[0:41:39] Voice 25: anonymous after the fact.

[0:41:41] Voice 25: Any investigation ever done into the complainant?

[0:41:45] Voice 25: Sorry?

[0:41:45] Voice 25: Into the complainant?

[0:41:47] Voice 25: The person making the complaint?

[0:41:49] Voice 25: Is that part of the investigation?

[0:41:51] Voice 25: Do you follow up with them?

[0:41:52] Voice 25: Do you follow up with them?

[0:41:53] Voice 25: Go visit them?

[0:41:54] Voice 25: Ask them why they thought this was happening?

[0:41:56] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:41:56] Voice 25: Why they

[0:41:57] Voice 10: put in the complaint?

[0:41:58] Voice 10: my expectation is that that's what happens so i just want to keep some order of the sequence here

[0:42:03] Voice 10: there are other people who haven't spoken already and um you know i'm in the second row now i totally

[0:42:09] Voice 10: appreciate you but i'd like to just keep some uh expectations about opportunity to speak so the

[0:42:16] Voice 3: lady in the middle there okay

[0:42:17] Voice 29: yeah my name is smith i guess i just wanted to add that i kind

[0:42:21] Voice 29: of i'm seeing how there's two issues here there's the are the complaints actually legitimate should

[0:42:27] Voice 29: Should there be an investigation to begin with before that?

[0:42:30] Voice 29: So it's the whole complaint bylaw process.

[0:42:34] Voice 29: But there's also the fact that there are legitimate complaints.

[0:42:38] Voice 29: We understand that according to the bylaws as they are.

[0:42:41] Voice 29: But some of us have inherited these when we purchased the property and didn't know that this would be coming up.

[0:42:48] Voice 29: We aren't the ones who broke them.

[0:42:49] Voice 29: We didn't know it was an issue until now.

[0:42:52] Voice 29: I was actually told when we purchased our property that the bylaws don't matter.

[0:42:57] Voice 29: This was by the real estate agent.

[0:42:58] Voice 29: The bylaws don't matter because they're not in force.

[0:43:02] Voice 29: So if you see something small that's breaking a bylaw on your property,

[0:43:06] Voice 29: don't worry about it because it won't be enforced.

[0:43:08] Voice 29: Well, now it's being enforced.

[0:43:10] Voice 29: So now I would just like to agree that, yes,

[0:43:12] Voice 29: changing the bylaws seems to be something that's necessary.

[0:43:16] Voice 29: If there's that many properties that are breaking them,

[0:43:19] Voice 29: can we relook at the bylaws?

[0:43:21] Voice 29: So I just wanted to add that in as someone else that's very concerned

[0:43:23] Voice 29: about re-looking at these bylaws

[0:43:25] Voice 29: because I do recognize

[0:43:27] Voice 29: that, yeah, some of them are legitimate,

[0:43:29] Voice 29: but we were

[0:43:31] Voice 29: told they weren't

[0:43:34] Voice 29: going to be looked at.

[0:43:36] Voice 29: Sure.

[0:43:37] Voice 10: Real estate agents, and I'm an agent of the

[0:43:39] Voice 10: Island Trust, and we have the ability

[0:43:41] Voice 10: to make our own decisions on that, and I'm sorry

[0:43:43] Voice 10: that the situation has unfolded

[0:43:46] Voice 10: for sure.

[0:43:48] Voice 10: In the second row, anybody

[0:43:49] Voice 10: else? Otherwise, I'll go to the third row.

[0:43:53] Voice 10: I'm going to go back to the server.

[0:43:54] Voice 10: I see a hand

[0:43:55] Voice 3: up in the middle there, please.

[0:43:56] Voice 12: Hi, my name is Sandra Tozer.

[0:43:59] Voice 12: I'm a six-and-a-half-year resident of Mudge Island.

[0:44:02] Voice 12: I'm the secretary of MIX.

[0:44:04] Voice 12: I'm also a member of the Arts Council on Cape Viola.

[0:44:08] Voice 12: When I moved to Mudge, one of the things I was really blown away with

[0:44:12] Voice 12: is the fabric of the culture of the community,

[0:44:15] Voice 12: how everybody was quite independent,

[0:44:17] Voice 12: but you could lean on your neighbor when you needed to.

[0:44:20] Voice 12: We all come together.

[0:44:21] Voice 12: When we had the big fire, 52 people showed up to help.

[0:44:26] Voice 12: 52, including 80-year-old people.

[0:44:28] Voice 12: That's the kind of community we have.

[0:44:30] Voice 12: We have beautification things.

[0:44:31] Voice 12: We have beach cleanups.

[0:44:33] Voice 12: We do a lot as a community to work towards making sure the island is good.

[0:44:38] Voice 12: But one of the things that we love is that we don't have streetlights,

[0:44:42] Voice 12: that we have our – the way that we govern is through common sense

[0:44:47] Voice 12: more than just through rules.

[0:44:49] Voice 12: you know if it makes sense to park in front of your house you park in front of your house but

[0:44:53] Voice 12: you pay respect to your neighbor if they can't get out because of where you're parking you move it

[0:44:57] Voice 12: it's all common sense based but a lot of now what we're seeing is with the complaints coming they're

[0:45:02] Voice 12: not common sense based they are something else and we're really struggling as a community to deal

[0:45:08] Voice 12: with that one of the results is a form of gentrification because in the past it didn't

[0:45:14] Voice 12: matter you're on lunch your neighbor could have two million dollars you could have you could be

[0:45:20] Voice 12: living hand to mouth it didn't matter we were glued together because we're my gilanders now

[0:45:25] Voice 12: the haves and have-nots are like this because if you give a complaint and you are living

[0:45:32] Voice 12: hand to mouth but many of us are especially after covid especially with um fossil living going up

[0:45:39] Voice 12: and food and gas and everything what six years ago was easier to live there is much harder for

[0:45:46] Voice 12: everybody and so now you're getting um we're feeling unsafe because if you don't have the

[0:45:53] Voice 12: money you cannot fix these problems instantly whereas somebody who does it's not a big deal

[0:46:00] Voice 12: so what i'm seeing is yesterday i heard an old man who's lived on much for 50 years

[0:46:06] Voice 12: same house but his house is too close to the ocean and if he is forced to do something about it he's

[0:46:14] Voice 12: going to move

[0:46:14] Voice 26: leave

[0:46:15] Voice 12: this home of 50 years and he's not the only one i've heard i've heard this

[0:46:20] Voice 12: across the board i'm going to sell now well i can't i can't afford to fix this um and people

[0:46:27] Voice 12: are asking where's the line what is grandfathered in what is not we need clarification because many

[0:46:34] Voice 12: many of our houses have been there for generations and have been in that

[0:46:39] Voice 12: spot. So they don't conform. And so we really need,

[0:46:44] Voice 12: and I want to just say, thank you so much, Toby, Susan,

[0:46:47] Voice 12: and Peter for taking the time to listen to us and to listen to our concerns.

[0:46:50] Voice 12: And if we work together to make sure that people don't become homeless,

[0:46:55] Voice 12: because right now we have a housing crisis, not just on March, but everywhere.

[0:47:00] Voice 12: Yeah. This will

[0:47:01] Voice 12: take us nowhere to go.

[0:47:04] Voice 12: and we shouldn't have to thank you very much thank

[0:47:07] Voice 10: you

[0:47:09] Voice 23: um another speaker in the back room

[0:47:14] Voice 23: yeah hi we're still going um we've been on march for nine years and i went on full time

[0:47:19] Voice 23: but um it seems that there's uh somebody or somebody who's a small group that is using

[0:47:26] Voice 23: Island's trust to create chaos and it's um I think some of you live on game those same people

[0:47:36] Voice 23: if they move to game could create same chaos so I think Toby's idea or her motion to pause

[0:47:42] Voice 23: enforcement that alone because now there won't be a reaction from a complaint may solve the problem

[0:47:50] Voice 23: So I hope that that motion will be resolved. Thank you. Thank you.

[0:47:57] Voice 6: I'm Steve Tozer, six and a half years retired. My pension is now worth 50% what it was six and a half

[0:48:04] Voice 6: years ago. I've done a lot on my property. I'd like to do a lot more. I've got no money at the

[0:48:09] Voice 6: moment because I'm too busy buying groceries. Now, one thing I would like to say is

[0:48:14] Voice 6: is, about complainants and everything else,

[0:48:19] Voice 6: you've got very few individuals.

[0:48:21] Voice 6: And when two individuals, for example,

[0:48:26] Voice 6: put in 25 complaints for their fellow islanders' properties

[0:48:33] Voice 6: all over the island about things on their property,

[0:48:39] Voice 6: on the other people's property, that they couldn't possibly

[0:48:42] Voice 6: know about unless they'd gone to their property, possibly

[0:48:44] Voice 6: be trespassed and had a good look around and found something they don't like the look of

[0:48:49] Voice 6: and complained about in writing to you which means opening a file or having an investigation

[0:48:53] Voice 6: sending letters whatever even if it's incorrect like so many i've heard about

[0:48:58] Voice 6: septic fuels that don't even aren't even on the property being told that there's septic

[0:49:02] Voice 6: pills close to the ocean when they don't have a septic field accuracy like that needs a bit

[0:49:08] Voice 6: of investigation is this something that happens when you get two individuals that write 25 reports

[0:49:15] Voice 6: about their fellow islanders is there a red flashing light that comes on you know when

[0:49:22] Voice 6: someone's doing that with i'm going to complain about everybody because i don't like that i don't

[0:49:26] Voice 6: like where he starts to start his vehicle has been broken down for a few weeks it needs new brakes

[0:49:31] Voice 6: so i don't like the look of it it should be screaming from the public that house is too

[0:49:36] Voice 6: close to the ocean yes well when the ice caps now it'll probably be underwater i've got i've got to

[0:49:42] Voice 6: But I've got to move my house back, let's say, because it's too close to the ocean.

[0:49:47] Voice 6: The road's over there.

[0:49:49] Voice 6: I've got to be 100 feet from the ocean.

[0:49:51] Voice 6: I've got to be 45 feet from the road.

[0:49:54] Voice 6: Where am I going to put the house on a quarter of an acre?

[0:49:59] Voice 6: People can't lift a house up and put it somewhere else.

[0:50:02] Voice 6: And final point, like my wife said, we went to my child.

[0:50:08] Voice 6: The property was very cheap on my child.

[0:50:10] Voice 6: It's always cheaper than everybody else.

[0:50:11] Voice 6: and it's not cheap now but it's still cheaper than everywhere else which means if we happen

[0:50:16] Voice 6: to move off the island myself included pensioner not much income yeah we're right now we're running

[0:50:23] Voice 6: a bait sale we're buying base us to make to make ends meet because it's getting that time

[0:50:29] Voice 6: where do we go if we if we can't afford let's say we need some expensive upgrades to our house we

[0:50:34] Voice 6: need this and that and we can't afford it where do we go if we sell up and move there's no way

[0:50:39] Voice 6: a gown scale from much island it's cheap enough for us to live maybe a trailer in a trailer park

[0:50:44] Voice 27: i

[0:50:45] Voice 6: actually actually said to the water i said i feel like we should move up to a trailer and

[0:50:49] Voice 6: trailer park and pay rent just so someone else can deal with the bylaws and we can just have

[0:50:54] Voice 6: a happy retirement without worrying about we're going to lose our home

[0:51:03] Voice 6: coming out thank you toby and you guys for

[0:51:07] Voice 6: dealing with this problem because it is upsetting

[0:51:10] Voice 6: everybody and it is such a

[0:51:12] Voice 6: great community, we really look after each

[0:51:14] Voice 6: other and take care of each other

[0:51:16] Voice 6: and we support each other when it's an emergency

[0:51:18] Voice 6: and it's a great

[0:51:20] Voice 6: and we do so much

[0:51:21] Voice 6: to care for the island itself

[0:51:23] Voice 6: we care about the trees

[0:51:25] Voice 6: and the ground and if someone's doing something

[0:51:28] Voice 6: terrible that they shouldn't be doing, our policy

[0:51:29] Voice 6: is we have a word with them and say look

[0:51:31] Voice 6: you can't burn plastic, you can't do this

[0:51:33] Voice 6: you can't do that, it's not good for the

[0:51:36] Voice 6: the island poisoning the birds we want we don't like it and that should be sufficient and it has

[0:51:40] Voice 6: been sufficient up to now you know we haven't had to go to you guys and say well this guy's doing

[0:51:45] Voice 6: this and he needs a letter and he needs to be you know i'm that guy i'm that guy i'm that we have

[0:51:49] Voice 6: to we talk to each other and when we stop talking to each other the opposite happens people start

[0:51:53] Voice 6: pointing at each other that's where we're at now that means we need to go back to talking to each

[0:51:58] Voice 6: other thanks for coming out thank you there's a big sale contravening bylaws

[0:52:15] Voice 10: I've kind of gone through the room all the way to the back and I'd like to maybe start at the

[0:52:19] Voice 10: front row again just to be respectful of those that also want to add absolutely because I'm

[0:52:24] Voice 19: going to have to leave I have to catch up here um yeah I think this point was made before that

[0:52:29] Voice 19: this is a really tight community this is there we do a lot of things for each other with each other

[0:52:35] Voice 19: there's always that common denominator that we need to fight fires we need to find a way to get

[0:52:40] Voice 19: off the island we need each other and it's it has been like that for a very very long time

[0:52:45] Voice 19: we do notice a difference i'm not going to say that and to point out too that there has been a

[0:52:50] Voice 19: lot of talk of who are they and let's get them and everybody that i know around here has been

[0:52:55] Voice 19: like squash that idea we're not this is not what we're looking for um there's been a lot of talk

[0:53:01] Voice 19: of that just don't don't even go there um i don't know if it's newcomers that come to the island

[0:53:06] Voice 19: it feels like it it happens sometimes but i know that these people behind me have done and beside

[0:53:12] Voice 19: me have done a lot for the island there are some people here that have put in thousands of hours

[0:53:17] Voice 19: and money and time to do things for the items and i'd like to know what they've done i'm sorry i'm

[0:53:27] Voice 19: saying they again, but there's

[0:53:31] Voice 19: some really good people here that do a lot for their neighbors,

[0:53:35] Voice 19: for the whole island, and yes for the environment. You've heard some of them already. I know there's

[0:53:42] Voice 19: some of them probably could get a little better at it and maybe needs to point it out more, but

[0:53:48] Voice 19: man it's a tight community and this is really destroying it. Staring people apart

[0:53:54] Voice 19: it's tearing french's part it's just wrong

[0:53:58] Voice 19: that's all i'm gonna say thank

[0:54:00] Voice 7: you go

[0:54:05] Voice 3: to the second one anybody thanks thank you

[0:54:10] Voice 20: again i have to i've got people texting me to ask the question but um

[0:54:15] Voice 20: i just need some clarity on where you need to mention that there is no other islands that have

[0:54:21] Voice 20: of neighbors would only report to direct neighbors.

[0:54:27] Voice 20: But when Mr. Bigman gave his webinar,

[0:54:31] Voice 20: he did say that there were communities that did that.

[0:54:34] Voice 20: And then he also followed up with an email to us

[0:54:36] Voice 20: and I'll read it to you.

[0:54:37] Voice 20: And one of them said was enforcement would proceed

[0:54:40] Voice 20: only if written complaints were received from two neighbors

[0:54:44] Voice 20: residing within 200 meters of the subject property.

[0:54:47] Voice 20: So I just wanted to let you know that.

[0:54:50] Voice 20: that and you'll call me naive um but i always thought it was neighbors report on neighbors and

[0:54:57] Voice 20: we've been in the community a long time and we work really hard to build solid trusting

[0:55:01] Voice 20: relationships with our our neighbors and if there is a concern we go and say hey let's work together

[0:55:08] Voice 20: and let's fix this so i was totally shocked when i was hearing that people from the other side of

[0:55:15] Voice 20: the island possibly were reporting people that you know on the other side of the island like

[0:55:20] Voice 20: where we're supposed to be a neighbor reporting a neighbor so thank you um for that and the other

[0:55:26] Voice 20: question i have is um from lana etsley and she would like to know um are the complaints um that

[0:55:33] Voice 20: are coming through residents are there outside complaints that you know that we

[0:55:39] Voice 10: don't have

[0:55:41] Voice 10: have direct access to that for reasons of bias or otherwise,

[0:55:48] Voice 10: where we might have to make a decision about something.

[0:55:50] Voice 10: We don't get all of the detail.

[0:55:54] Voice 26: I will say,

[0:55:55] Voice 26: there is a trust counsel.

[0:55:57] Voice 26: So the policy that I was talking about, the trust counsel policy

[0:56:00] Voice 26: 5.1, I think, details on what basis of investigation

[0:56:06] Voice 26: can be launched.

[0:56:07] Voice 26: And the number one reason is complaints.

[0:56:09] Voice 26: but I think number three or four is if it is found like a structure in the setback to the seed

[0:56:16] Voice 26: so that is a trust council policy so when we're talking about structures in the setback and you've

[0:56:21] Voice 26: got buildings that were built before the bylaws land use bylaws created that is the policy that

[0:56:27] Voice 26: we have to look at because that is not a complaint driven investigation that is a proactive one so

[0:56:34] Voice 26: So bylaw is, so that's, that is the existing policy.

[0:56:37] Voice 26: So that's, that's what we're have to look at.

[0:56:40] Voice 26: So there's a number of reasons.

[0:56:41] Voice 26: There's about six reasons an investigation is launched,

[0:56:44] Voice 26: but some of them are proactive for the protection of the environment

[0:56:48] Voice 26: because that is the mandate of trust.

[0:56:49] Voice 26: So that's the whole thing that we're looking at.

[0:56:52] Voice 26: So

[0:56:52] Voice 20: that could have come from bylaw.

[0:56:55] Voice 20: From staff.

[0:56:56] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:56:56] Voice 20: So all of a sudden after 35 years.

[0:57:07] Voice 20: yeah 45 40 it

[0:57:09] Voice 26: has to be in it that sort this has been identified by other communities so this is

[0:57:14] Voice 26: you're not alone we are reviewing this it's a one of three projects by the regional planning

[0:57:19] Voice 26: committee and the regional funding team and so this is a comprehensive project of we're going

[0:57:25] Voice 26: to focus locally hearing your concerns today i think is really going to be important for

[0:57:30] Voice 26: creating a much specific um bylaw compliance and enforcement policy but the overall policy

[0:57:36] Voice 26: is just too broad and that's that is being looked at from the regional perspective as well so sorry

[0:57:42] Voice 26: it's

[0:57:43] Voice 10: a matter of asking questions so i'm i'm hoping that your questions kind of sort of

[0:57:49] Voice 10: answered and i think there was a question buried in for me that um with respect to the

[0:57:56] Voice 10: where the complaints can come from,

[0:57:58] Voice 10: because it's a spectrum, right?

[0:58:01] Voice 10: So if it's encroachment on a property line

[0:58:04] Voice 10: or something immediate in a neighborhood

[0:58:06] Voice 10: that is minor in nature,

[0:58:09] Voice 10: then we would want to see some complaints

[0:58:12] Voice 10: that are more local.

[0:58:14] Voice 10: But if it's something more egregious,

[0:58:15] Voice 10: environmental or health or otherwise,

[0:58:18] Voice 10: that somebody brings to our attention,

[0:58:20] Voice 10: then we're obligated to direct that

[0:58:24] Voice 10: to the appropriate authorities to determine whether or not because we don't run it all like

[0:58:29] Voice 10: health and environment not all of something there's a mixed relationship with environment

[0:58:33] Voice 10: but there are like spitables fuel spills and things like that is different um so there's a

[0:58:40] Voice 10: spectrum of potential there um there is a process um and um um our expectation is that the staff

[0:58:51] Voice 10: I follow that, and I think that they do.

[0:58:55] Voice 10: Some of the historical stuff is problematic.

[0:58:57] Voice 10: And then just with respect to all of a sudden somebody's complaining

[0:59:00] Voice 10: or all of a sudden there's bylaw enforcement on something that is health

[0:59:05] Voice 10: or environment, mental impacts, including the shoreline.

[0:59:10] Voice 10: Certainly it didn't just come out of the blue.

[0:59:12] Voice 10: Somebody said something, and then there was some kind of an inquiry

[0:59:16] Voice 10: to determine whether or not that's true or not.

[0:59:18] Voice 10: And so it's not, you know, it's not just a coincidence.

[0:59:25] Voice 10: So I think that's just reality check, right?

[0:59:28] Voice 10: But we have to do due diligence to ensure

[0:59:31] Voice 10: that these concerns are being met.

[0:59:34] Voice 10: So in the second row, at the end, I'll come to you.

[0:59:40] Voice 25: Just, I guess, just as far as you're collecting data

[0:59:45] Voice 25: on all of this, I'm curious,

[0:59:49] Voice 25: like there was some things that you said you couldn't verify.

[0:59:52] Voice 25: Can you verify, I mean, Dingman told us that all six of the complainants.

[1:00:00] Voice 25: have a property on Mudge Island,

[1:00:02] Voice 25: they would put their name to it.

[1:00:04] Voice 25: I realize you can't divulge their name

[1:00:07] Voice 25: unless you protect that.

[1:00:09] Voice 25: Fair enough.

[1:00:10] Voice 25: But do you verify that that name belongs to that property

[1:00:17] Voice 25: that the complaint is coming from?

[1:00:19] Voice 25: Or is there a loophole that I can file a complaint

[1:00:25] Voice 25: against him using her name and address?

[1:00:28] Voice 25: us

[1:00:28] Voice 7: well i

[1:00:30] Voice 7: mean that that has to be fair so

[1:00:33] Voice 25: because i mean clearly clearly as faggot stated

[1:00:37] Voice 25: people are pitching us against each other and i i think you know i i feel as though we've got

[1:00:46] Voice 25: a terrorist in the neighborhood and i'm not trying to be funny when they say yeah well

[1:00:50] Voice 25: let's be careful about well i feel that we do have a community terrorist that there's no i

[1:00:55] Voice 25: I really do believe that.

[1:00:57] Voice 32: Yeah, well, let's just...

[1:00:58] Voice 25: No, I'm just...

[1:00:59] Voice 25: So can you verify where the complaint is really coming from?

[1:01:06] Voice 25: Or is there an opportunity for them to disguise themselves, I suppose?

[1:01:12] Voice 10: There's any number of possibilities if I'm honest, right?

[1:01:15] Voice 10: But let me say that, you know, the way this happens, right,

[1:01:19] Voice 10: just to be explicit from my understanding,

[1:01:21] Voice 10: a complaint comes in, there's a clerical person

[1:01:25] Voice 10: that that sector says that, yes, this fits into the parameters of a complaint

[1:01:31] Voice 10: and that the bylaw says this and this appears on the surface to be a contravention.

[1:01:36] Voice 10: And so then it gets vetted at that clerical stage

[1:01:39] Voice 10: and then it gets sent to a bylaw enforcement officer.

[1:01:41] Voice 10: And a bylaw enforcement officer would then look at it more closely

[1:01:45] Voice 10: and ultimately if he or she is satisfied that it is a legitimate complaint

[1:01:50] Voice 10: that requires investigation, then certainly through this process

[1:01:54] Voice 10: there's outreach to the complainant

[1:01:56] Voice 10: and the person who's being complained about.

[1:01:59] Voice 10: And then there might be a site,

[1:02:01] Voice 10: may or may not be a site visit.

[1:02:03] Voice 10: Some issues are resolved over the telephone

[1:02:05] Voice 10: where people, oh, I didn't realize that was a problem

[1:02:08] Voice 10: and I'm gonna stop doing it or whatever.

[1:02:10] Voice 10: And so whether or not there's a robust bulletproof,

[1:02:15] Voice 10: spam proof, scam proof method,

[1:02:20] Voice 10: I think that probably at a

[1:02:22] Voice 10: surface layer there is,

[1:02:23] Voice 10: is who are you okay you're on the island what's your rep what's your address okay and we don't

[1:02:29] Voice 10: expect people to lie to us but you know there we go leave that to you to determine um and then

[1:02:35] Voice 10: it follows through so i just want to say something i meant to say earlier so this is a nice segue

[1:02:39] Voice 10: actually because we are aware that there's a absence of information so that you can determine

[1:02:45] Voice 10: what's happening in your neighborhoods or anything for that matter anywhere else on the island

[1:02:49] Voice 10: We are implementing, we have gone through a process to investigate how we actually do

[1:02:54] Voice 10: by law enforcement.

[1:02:55] Voice 10: That's a work in progress, and we're looking forward to best practices and improvement

[1:02:59] Voice 10: working with the ombudsperson's office.

[1:03:01] Voice 10: But we're also in the throes of deploying a new piece of software that specifically

[1:03:11] Voice 10: tracks by law enforcement, and that will be available for public query.

[1:03:16] Voice 10: and so some of that vetting

[1:03:18] Voice 10: that determine who the complaint is

[1:03:20] Voice 10: what property is, what it fits and stuff

[1:03:22] Voice 10: will all be integrated into this

[1:03:24] Voice 10: system and of course systems have their own sets

[1:03:26] Voice 10: of problems, I confess that right off

[1:03:28] Voice 10: but we are working

[1:03:30] Voice 10: towards a better more transparent system

[1:03:32] Voice 10: so that you can find out what complaints you have

[1:03:34] Voice 10: and what level of

[1:03:36] Voice 10: the progress is so that

[1:03:38] Voice 10: it's more transparent.

[1:03:39] Voice 25: I suppose maybe

[1:03:40] Voice 25: I was just wondering what your vetting

[1:03:42] Voice 25: process is, I mean

[1:03:43] Voice 25: and not being facetious, I mean

[1:03:45] Voice 25: you have been lied to under many circumstances over there

[1:03:49] Voice 10: well you know i'm sure it's not a

[1:03:51] Voice 10: surprise to you that does happen absolutely and that you're not the only island that has

[1:03:55] Voice 10: this kind of activity not for the vetting process i guess is most important and that's why we have

[1:04:01] Voice 10: a vetting process because we're not new to this and um we can do better like that's all i can say

[1:04:07] Voice 10: is we can do better and we're working towards that thank you yeah um at the other end i think

[1:04:13] Voice 25: the the other division in the island that this whole thing has created is we had a huge influx

[1:04:17] Voice 25: of people between what 20 20 and 22 but also a lot of property values go through the roof

[1:04:24] Voice 25: everywhere in the province and we had a huge number of complaints written over there i'd

[1:04:30] Voice 25: like to see the numbers of complaints that came up on the island prior to covid in 2019

[1:04:36] Voice 25: and then what's happened since 2020 forward because i'm sure you're getting way more

[1:04:42] Voice 25: more complaints now than you were before and what i don't like is there's also become a bit of an

[1:04:47] Voice 25: issue between the newcomers and the old guard you know there's a lot of finger pointing going back

[1:04:53] Voice 25: and forth there between it's your fault because you're new no it's your fault because you're old

[1:04:58] Voice 25: so whatever you're an old time but for whatever reason is the new people are being held to a way

[1:05:07] Voice 25: higher standard when it comes to building and doing things and getting complaints from the

[1:05:14] Voice 25: island trust i call the regional district if they talk to island trust planning

[1:05:20] Voice 25: right then they tell me i need to go back to regional district to get permits and they tell

[1:05:24] Voice 25: me no i gotta talk to their island trust planning first well which is it they don't want to deal

[1:05:30] Voice 25: with it nobody here wants to deal with it they just want to point the finger to the other guy

[1:05:35] Voice 25: I'd say, we'll talk to them.

[1:05:37] Voice 25: That doesn't work, right?

[1:05:39] Voice 25: And so do you have any information on how many complaints per month you got prior to COVID hitting

[1:05:46] Voice 25: and how many you've got in the last four years?

[1:05:48] Voice 25: I'd

[1:05:49] Voice 10: really like to see that.

[1:05:50] Voice 10: Well, we do have those statistics.

[1:05:52] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:05:52] Voice 10: And they are available.

[1:05:53] Voice 10: I don't have them in front of me.

[1:05:54] Voice 10: I'm not going to quote them.

[1:05:55] Voice 10: But if you go to an Island Trust Council quarterly report, maybe not this most recent quarter,

[1:06:00] Voice 10: but previous quarter, those statistics are available.

[1:06:04] Voice 10: And the idea is, in the system I was talking about earlier, is to have those in there so you can easily access them, rather than having to wade through 500-page reports to try and find it.

[1:06:14] Voice 10: So I don't know that it's significantly different.

[1:06:19] Voice 10: I'll just say anecdotally, certainly there's some change.

[1:06:23] Voice 10: But I think we all have to recognize that through COVID, which is really the only thing, the demographic in our communities has changed.

[1:06:32] Voice 10: changed and different values are coming into play and so it's complex and so we are caught all i can

[1:06:40] Voice 10: say is we're cognizant of that and um indeed have to have to what's the word there and we have to

[1:06:48] Voice 10: flex it as a fancy word people use these days make

[1:06:53] Voice 19: the word pivot yeah

[1:06:54] Voice 10: i'm sorry that's what

[1:06:55] Voice 10: i was looking for i

[1:06:56] Voice 26: hate it too we have to find a middle ground solution and on the way to long

[1:06:59] Voice 26: in terms of questions you know we're

[1:07:01] Voice 25: going back to that i think the information coming out needs

[1:07:04] Voice 25: to be clear mr damon sending out on a webinar that 200 meters is the only people that complain about

[1:07:11] Voice 25: you and you've got here sitting here telling us here's a question can i complain about gabe

[1:07:17] Voice 25: briola can i complain about gabriel because i'm a resident in mud or can i complain about divorcee

[1:07:22] Voice 25: can i just complain about whatever island i feel like

[1:07:26] Voice 25: yeah that's not how this works

[1:07:28] Voice 25: I can go around in my boat and point things out and send in complaints for every island that's under Island Trust.

[1:07:35] Voice 25: So

[1:07:36] Voice 10: I think that I don't, it would be, that's inadequate for me to respond.

[1:07:41] Voice 10: So I'll respond.

[1:07:44] Voice 10: But it has to be answered.

[1:07:45] Voice 10: Right.

[1:07:46] Voice 10: I can't

[1:07:47] Voice 25: go visit Mudge once a year and write out 50 complaints and send them in to you.

[1:07:51] Voice 25: No.

[1:07:52] Voice 25: It's a waste of everyone's time, including our law enforcement officer.

[1:07:56] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:07:57] Voice 10: Agreed.

[1:07:58] Voice 10: I don't think we can provide that answer, but I'm making a lot of this.

[1:08:05] Voice 10: I've locked back where I am, but I think I'm back on the last row there now.

[1:08:09] Voice 10: Although I see this gentleman here wants to say something.

[1:08:13] Voice 10: Yeah, I think one of

[1:08:15] Voice 25: the things that we need to think about, and it's been talked about already, and that's implementing new policy.

[1:08:22] Voice 25: Looking at implementing new policy for the going forward on a complaint.

[1:08:34] Voice 25: Was the complaint issued by a neighbor?

[1:08:38] Voice 25: Was there an opportunity for mediation?

[1:08:45] Voice 25: Setbacks and such?

[1:08:47] Voice 25: I don't know.

[1:08:47] Voice 25: but right now we need to look at the policies that we have not necessarily the bylaws the bylaws need

[1:08:56] Voice 25: to be changed but immediately we need to look at uh adjusting the policy for enforcement

[1:09:03] Voice 10: i think we need to understand the policy about important for all of us

[1:09:08] Voice 10: in through this lens because much of what you say is supposed to be in place enforcement and also

[1:09:17] Voice 10: the complaints,

[1:09:18] Voice 7: how

[1:09:19] Voice 10: the complaints are generated.

[1:09:21] Voice 10: I'm not seeing where that voice is coming from.

[1:09:23] Voice 10: My hearing is bad some days.

[1:09:27] Voice 10: Okay, well received

[1:09:31] Voice 7: messages from all of you.

[1:09:34] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:09:35] Voice 14: There's a credit card on the floor, Dallin.

[1:09:37] Voice 14: Credit card.

[1:09:41] Voice 14: Are you a mom?

[1:09:46] Voice 10: I hope that you think we heard you.

[1:09:49] Voice 10: And so I'm just going to say, is there anything else on Mudge Island?

[1:09:53] Voice 10: Otherwise, I'm moving here now.

[1:09:55] Voice 10: I'd like to continue on with some of the rest of our agenda.

[1:10:00] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:10:00] Voice 10: Back in the back row, sir.

[1:10:02] Voice 25: John Mattson.

[1:10:04] Voice 25: I think a certain

[1:10:06] Voice 3: percentage of these complaints could be,

[1:10:09] Voice 3: could not happen if the bylaws were changed.

[1:10:12] Voice 3: We're about 10% land use

[1:10:14] Voice 6: on Mudge.

[1:10:16] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:10:17] Voice 7: And

[1:10:17] Voice 6: Gabriel gets 35%.

[1:10:18] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:10:19] Voice 6: I'm told.

[1:10:20] Voice 6: Why is that?

[1:10:21] Voice 6: Good question.

[1:10:22] Voice 10: Different OCP?

[1:10:24] Voice 10: It's a different OCP.

[1:10:27] Voice 10: And, you know, I just want to say I was thinking in the background, we have to get beyond this bylaw enforcement problem.

[1:10:34] Voice 10: Let's just call it that.

[1:10:35] Voice 10: I don't want to undermine it in any way, shape, or form.

[1:10:37] Voice 10: We have to get beyond this because what we need to do is have a wholesome conversation about values in your community and the values that you want to protect and the environment that should be protected.

[1:10:48] Voice 10: and open those up so we can have an objective conversation about that.

[1:10:53] Voice 10: Because the way this works is OCPs create the vision of your community,

[1:10:57] Voice 10: embrace the values that you have.

[1:10:59] Voice 10: Bylaws provide enforcement opportunities to support and protect those values

[1:11:05] Voice 10: that you hold.

[1:11:06] Voice 10: So we need to get to that place to have that conversation.

[1:11:09] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:11:15] Voice 7: used to be uh cottages i wouldn't like the door closed if that's possible

[1:11:20] Voice 26: road noises

[1:11:24] Voice 25: like it existed like cottages way back and now it's people building one more

[1:11:29] Voice 25: proper home and good garages with outbuildings or sometimes poultry

[1:11:36] Voice 25: different things like greenhouses

[1:11:37] Voice 25: and suddenly we're

[1:11:39] Voice 25: like we're encroaching on this 10%

[1:11:41] Voice 25: thing

[1:11:42] Voice 7: and things

[1:11:45] Voice 10: aren't the way

[1:11:46] Voice 10: they used to be. Understood and then

[1:11:48] Voice 10: the same on Gabriola just because it's local

[1:11:50] Voice 10: and we have an application here today on our agenda

[1:11:52] Voice 10: 25% coverage like you said

[1:11:54] Voice 10: and a small house

[1:11:56] Voice 10: is encroaching on the footprint of that property

[1:11:58] Voice 10: so those are challenges that we need

[1:12:00] Voice 10: to address through our OCP here as well as

[1:12:02] Voice 10: elsewhere. Thank you.

[1:12:04] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:12:07] Voice 16: So just so I understand, so is this

[1:12:10] Voice 16: that there's going to be a deferral of the investigate

[1:12:14] Voice 16: or enforcement that's going to a vote,

[1:12:17] Voice 16: or is that actually happening?

[1:12:19] Voice 16: Well, it does

[1:12:21] Voice 10: need to go to a vote.

[1:12:22] Voice 10: OK.

[1:12:25] Voice 10: So Toby has a suggestion for a recommendation.

[1:12:30] Voice 10: Best practices are to seek staff advice

[1:12:32] Voice 10: about how that could be done in a good way

[1:12:35] Voice 10: that protects you as well as protects us.

[1:12:38] Voice 10: And so I'm not averse to it,

[1:12:42] Voice 10: but it needs to be done properly.

[1:12:43] Voice 16: It sounds like that's probably going to happen or whatever.

[1:12:47] Voice 16: And then from there,

[1:12:48] Voice 16: where the standard is going to be a review,

[1:12:51] Voice 16: you guys are going to come to mind

[1:12:52] Voice 16: and we're going to have this wholesome discussion.

[1:12:54] Voice 16: Is that or is that just a whole process

[1:12:56] Voice 16: and just curious about how things are moving forward?

[1:12:59] Voice 16: I

[1:12:59] Voice 10: think the best way to capture that,

[1:13:01] Voice 10: and Toby might like to answer that too.

[1:13:02] Voice 10: There is a whole process, but it's not going

[1:13:04] Voice 10: to happen quickly, whereas bylaw enforcement may need to happen quickly if it's health or environment related.

[1:13:10] Voice 10: So we just have to balance that.

[1:13:12] Voice 10: So

[1:13:12] Voice 26: we already have planned a community information meeting on MUNCH.

[1:13:16] Voice 26: This was a couple of months ago when the two issues, safe vote access and bylaw enforcement and compliance were, you know, the major issues.

[1:13:26] Voice 26: So, we decided, okay, let's go to Mudge and have a meeting in which we're going to hear from the community.

[1:13:33] Voice 26: So, not an information out, but we want to get information in.

[1:13:38] Voice 26: So, just like we're having the town hall right now, learn from the community what's going on.

[1:13:42] Voice 26: What are the changes that have been happening that are causing such a skim.

[1:13:48] Voice 26: So, that's coming.

[1:13:48] Voice 26: I understand there's been some local community organizing, and they want to have conversations ahead of that so that there's a bit more cohesion when people come to the meeting.

[1:14:01] Voice 26: I have no problem coming to a meeting and hearing everybody talking about everything from everywhere, but we want to get to a productive process.

[1:14:09] Voice 26: So then the second piece of that is that in my motion that we undertake a full review of bylaw enforcement and compliance policies specific to Mudge Island, and that the motion is to defer enforcement until that review can happen.

[1:14:29] Voice 26: been and this is supported by staff I got advice from Warren Bingman on this and he said

[1:14:35] Voice 26: it's clear that we need to do something differently the LTC together with the community

[1:14:40] Voice 26: has to review what can happen what should happen going forward and pause on enforcement so

[1:14:47] Voice 26: everybody has some breathing room so we're creating this process right now um we're trying

[1:14:52] Voice 26: to be responsive to what's happening my intent was to just give everybody breathing room so that

[1:14:57] Voice 1: we

[1:14:57] Voice 26: don't feel scared targeted and we can have that productive conversation so we'll work together um

[1:15:03] Voice 26: and the challenge is going to be that making this a project when gabriel has a significant

[1:15:10] Voice 26: project going on so resourcing but it's okay we'll talk about that later we'll

[1:15:15] Voice 26: come

[1:15:16] Voice 16: too much and we have our meeting then from there you would try to get them all people are

[1:15:22] Voice 16: rolling for this review

[1:15:23] Voice 16: staff

[1:15:25] Voice 26: is going to work with us and now that

[1:15:27] Voice 26: we've heard from the community

[1:15:28] Voice 26: that's the information we really need like we can't take action until we hear from you

[1:15:32] Voice 26: much is speaking out loud and clear and

[1:15:34] Voice 16: that whole thing could take a while but in the meantime

[1:15:37] Voice 16: the enforcement will probably be on hold unless it's like health related okay i think i understand

[1:15:43] Voice 26: That's what I'm hoping, but we have to vote on it still.

[1:15:49] Voice 25: Thank you.

[1:15:51] Voice 25: Oh, I think it's my last comment.

[1:15:54] Voice 25: Just in regards to, Sean mentioned our OCP.

[1:15:58] Voice 25: I've been there 21 years.

[1:16:00] Voice 25: I realize a lot of people have been here a lot longer than me.

[1:16:04] Voice 25: But I do remember, I think it was 2005, 2006,

[1:16:08] Voice 25: that we had an advisory committee to our OCP.

[1:16:12] Voice 25: Yeah.

[1:16:12] Voice 25: And, yeah, they, I believe, one night voted unanimously to quit because they felt that our needs were not being heard.

[1:16:24] Voice 25: So we were given our OCP.

[1:16:26] Voice 25: We didn't have an opportunity to really have much input on it.

[1:16:32] Voice 25: According to the people that were on the advisory committee.

[1:16:35] Voice 20: I was on that.

[1:16:36] Voice 20: I was the chair.

[1:16:38] Voice 20: Well,

[1:16:39] Voice 33: let's try and do a better job this time.

[1:16:41] Voice 33: and so keep your ear to the ground

[1:16:42] Voice 33: there will be another apc so there's a

[1:16:46] Voice 26: gentleman here but

[1:16:47] Voice 26: i don't think you can see it yeah i can't

[1:16:49] Voice 25: see it now thank

[1:16:52] Voice 26: you

[1:16:54] Voice 3: um so we've heard a motion on

[1:16:56] Voice 3: on the floor is there going to be a vote on that motion there is not a motion on this one no i

[1:17:00] Voice 26: haven't made it yet i'm just signal my intent to but this is

[1:17:04] Voice 26: still town hall okay

[1:17:06] Voice 25: so the other

[1:17:08] Voice 25: But as may have been noted, a great deal of people did not attend the webinar.

[1:17:15] Voice 25: And the reason they didn't attend the webinar is because they didn't have the correct address.

[1:17:19] Voice 25: They sent notices out to our lot addresses.

[1:17:25] Voice 25: They wrote it to Post Office and Word of Account.

[1:17:29] Voice 25: So that does not contact us.

[1:17:32] Voice 17: 150 letters will return from me.

[1:17:34] Voice 17: So by me?

[1:17:35] Voice 17: Really?

[1:17:36] Voice 26: Yeah.

[1:17:45] Voice 26: I will say the challenge is two-way here.

[1:17:48] Voice 26: Much likes to stay under the radar.

[1:17:50] Voice 26: Your email addresses may not have been on a list to allow us to communicate with you.

[1:17:56] Voice 26: So if we can work together with your permission, I would love to get on the list served so that we can communicate out the next webinar.

[1:18:04] Voice 26: and we have a communications team who's much more active.

[1:18:07] Voice 26: We didn't have a communications person before,

[1:18:10] Voice 26: so we're getting organized,

[1:18:11] Voice 26: but I totally recognize that's a gap

[1:18:13] Voice 26: that people were sharing by-law notification notices

[1:18:16] Voice 26: and did not get notification for the webinar.

[1:18:18] Voice 26: That's a total-

[1:18:19] Voice 22: But the complaint letters went out-

[1:18:21] Voice 26: Yeah, exactly.

[1:18:22] Voice 26: To

[1:18:22] Voice 22: the civic addresses and, or no,

[1:18:24] Voice 22: the complaint letters went out to the assessment offices.

[1:18:27] Voice 26: Right. Right?

[1:18:28] Voice 22: Where the webinar was not-

[1:18:31] Voice 26: That's separate.

[1:18:31] Voice 26: So communications is not necessarily going to be tied into a civic address system, but we'll have to work together on, okay, let's get a list of much addresses and people want to be notified of that kind of communication.

[1:18:43] Voice 10: So out of the 1, where did we get the information on 150 letters of return?

[1:18:49] Voice 20: I just, I don't know.

[1:18:51] Voice 25: My girlfriend was close up and she told me there was about a couple hundred.

[1:18:56] Voice 27: She

[1:18:56] Voice 25: opened mine up and sent the rest back.

[1:18:59] Voice 25: Okay.

[1:19:01] Voice 10: So then, you know, we use often for communication like this

[1:19:05] Voice 10: where we're actually doing mail-outs.

[1:19:07] Voice 10: We use the address of record.

[1:19:09] Voice 10: And so the question that I have, and no offense,

[1:19:13] Voice 10: where do you get your tax notices?

[1:19:16] Voice 10: In the mail.

[1:19:17] Voice 10: Yeah, so we use that same address.

[1:19:19] Voice 10: Well, there's obviously some investigation necessary in that example.

[1:19:26] Voice 10: So that's great.

[1:19:27] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:19:28] Voice 10: I might be totally wrong.

[1:19:30] Voice 10: Yeah, absolutely.

[1:19:30] Voice 10: that's my yeah

[1:19:31] Voice 10: we did not get it so i

[1:19:33] Voice 10: would like to move on but i see

[1:19:35] Voice 10: another speaker here one in

[1:19:37] Voice 10: the back i

[1:19:38] Voice 14: just wanted to say until we have rose matheson and i'm one of the administrators on the

[1:19:42] Voice 14: email distribution list on that and i'd be delighted to send anything from the alex trust

[1:19:47] Voice 14: out to the community i do not support adding you as a recipient of all of our emails however i hope

[1:19:54] Voice 14: you can appreciate that this has been a safe forum for our community to be able to speak

[1:19:59] Voice 14: without eyes it's not a social media platform it's private to only much residents and that's

[1:20:04] Voice 14: you move off the island you're taken off the email list that's what i try to do i don't have

[1:20:08] Voice 14: i don't know where but i've been around for 31 years so i kind of know a lot of people

[1:20:13] Voice 14: but this room represents a lot of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of volunteers

[1:20:18] Voice 14: who have pulled this community together since 93 when we've been there we've seen nothing but

[1:20:24] Voice 14: cohesion happened and now we're seeing people being shattered and it is um extremely emotional

[1:20:32] Voice 14: for everyone so please feel free and you know my email if i sent you an email shall we reach out

[1:20:37] Voice 14: to me and i will distribute any email from my own stress and these webinar meetings it's integral

[1:20:43] Voice 14: for everyone to have the opportunity to be present thank you for that just

[1:20:48] Voice 25: goes back to that call i

[1:20:49] Voice 25: I made a few days ago to give my office, my address.

[1:20:52] Voice 25: I don't trust the North office.

[1:20:53] Voice 25: And she's like, we don't want it.

[1:20:55] Voice 25: We don't keep track of that.

[1:20:56] Voice 25: Can I get more indictments?

[1:20:57] Voice 25: No, don't know it.

[1:20:59] Voice 25: Sorry.

[1:20:59] Voice 25: I would like to say something's got to be done about that.

[1:21:02] Voice 25: Sorry.

[1:21:02] Voice 26: We do have a very new administrator who's just been in the role for like

[1:21:06] Voice 26: two weeks.

[1:21:07] Voice 26: So I apologize.

[1:21:10] Voice 26: I would have

[1:21:11] Voice 25: taken my address and thrown it in the garbage.

[1:21:12] Voice 26: I apologize on our behalf.

[1:21:15] Voice 26: That is, I don't want to throw staff under the bus,

[1:21:17] Voice 26: but please have a little patience.

[1:21:19] Voice 26: exciting that's just uh so

[1:21:22] Voice 25: i've been waiting for two years to hear back from mr dingman i think

[1:21:25] Voice 25: i've had plenty of patients and i wanted to make sure that the address was correct so i did some

[1:21:31] Voice 25: follow-up and it didn't go well okay um yeah

[1:21:39] Voice 10: i'm i'm sure that mr dingman will be watching

[1:21:44] Voice 7: he's not

[1:21:44] Voice 10: no you don't have to be careful but be polite and kind

[1:21:49] Voice 10: Okay, so then

[1:21:54] Voice 8: I'm going to

[1:21:55] Voice 10: move on to public comment period broadly. I don't know if we have

[1:21:59] Voice 10: anything else to say here. I've said plenty enough. And I'd like to hear public comment

[1:22:05] Voice 10: on other topics today.

[1:22:07] Voice 17: I'd like to just thank everybody for listening for my time. Thank you.

[1:22:18] Voice 26: we just have to put in some comment and then we'll

[1:22:35] Voice 10: we're way over time and

[1:22:38] Voice 15: we've got a lot

[1:22:38] Voice 10: more business to do here

[1:22:39] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:22:40] Voice 15: This is new.

[1:22:42] Voice 10: Say that again.

[1:22:43] Voice 15: This is new.

[1:22:45] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:22:48] Voice 10: So do you folks want to sit around?

[1:22:50] Voice 10: Because otherwise, if some of you are going to leave,

[1:22:53] Voice 10: I'll just pause for a minute to allow the other speakers

[1:22:55] Voice 10: to be able to speak on this.

[1:22:57] Voice 14: Pardon me?

[1:22:58] Voice 14: Are we participating in a vote or a motion?

[1:23:00] Voice 10: You are not

[1:23:01] Voice 22: participating in a vote.

[1:23:02] Voice 22: Are you forwarding a motion right now?

[1:23:04] Voice 22: Active, I'm going to comment.

[1:23:06] Voice 14: And then I heard you.

[1:23:08] Voice 22: Yeah, not to do this, please.

[1:23:40] Voice 7: So

[1:23:40] Voice 10: if you don't mind, you can take your conversation outside and then we can continue the rest of the meeting.

[1:23:45] Voice 10: Please stay around. Don't feel like you have to leave.

[1:23:50] Voice 10: So public comment on other topics. And I saw one hand up here. Please don't be intimidated.

[1:23:55] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:23:56] Voice 18: And hello, my name is Deborah Behrens and I'm from Averola.

[1:24:03] Voice 18: And I would like to make a quick comment, if I can, on the staff report of April 18th on the OCP review for Gabriel.

[1:24:13] Voice 18: And I ask you not to support recommendation number two in the staff report,

[1:24:19] Voice 18: which says that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee requests the Advisory Planning Commission

[1:24:24] Voice 18: revise the official community plan vision statement based on feedback gathered from the Gabriel revision in 2050 process.

[1:24:33] Voice 18: And I would ask you instead, perhaps, to consider a staff alternative, option number one on page 202,

[1:24:41] Voice 18: and possibly provide direction to staff to draft a revision statement based on the 2015 Gabriel Revision Academy feedback to date.

[1:24:54] Voice 18: And upon reviewing a draft vision statement from staff with initial trustee responses, then refer the draft vision to the EPC with all the content and input gathered through the process.

[1:25:08] Voice 18: And simultaneously convey the draft vision statement to the public, along with the identified influence of climate change and the First Nations reconciliation lens.

[1:25:21] Voice 18: And I realize that I am approaching this from the more standard, traditional, significant role that the advisory voice provides to the trust, which is getting something referred to them on a specific topic issue wording on which the LTC wishes to receive advice.

[1:25:38] Voice 18: And with recognition that staff are working to capacity on many local issues as well as the OCPVP project.

[1:25:47] Voice 18: But my concern rests with the seeming omission in the statute report on how, where and when

[1:25:55] Voice 18: the community is invited to provide feedback specifically and at an early stage on a revised

[1:26:02] Voice 18: OCP vision statement, which carries significance for the long-term direction of community planning

[1:26:09] Voice 18: and will certainly influence changes to the OCP and the Manus bylaws.

[1:26:15] Voice 18: And so I did have a question, where in the work plan overview on page 203 of the agenda package is community feedback and comment invited before phase two of the project is initiated?

[1:26:32] Voice 18: And I believe that the community is ready and anxious to see as soon as possible some concrete wording at this stage and have the opportunity to reflect, react, and comment, and which will significantly increase the success of the community, or the Gabriel LeVigny 2015, in identifying community values.

[1:26:55] Voice 18: So thank you for your hard work and commitment to the OCPE project.

[1:27:00] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:27:00] Voice 18: All

[1:27:01] Voice 10: right. You've got me switching hats pretty quickly here, and that's an awful lot of information.

[1:27:06] Voice 10: Are you providing that to us in writing?

[1:27:08] Voice 18: Yes, I am.

[1:27:09] Voice 10: And

[1:27:09] Voice 18: I can also send a copy to Lisa if she's taking minutes.

[1:27:16] Voice 10: No, somebody else is taking minutes today.

[1:27:19] Voice 10: Just step on Stephen, and he'll make sure that we get a copy.

[1:27:24] Voice 18: Thank you all. Thank you, Deborah.

[1:27:27] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:27:28] Voice 18: you there

[1:27:29] Voice 10: you go thank you very much okay anybody else on some other topics here

[1:27:37] Voice 10: any comments okay that's

[1:27:41] Voice 8: great so

[1:27:43] Voice 10: um

[1:27:44] Voice 31: oh sorry

[1:27:46] Voice 8: i missed your hand i'm sorry no

[1:27:48] Voice 31: no you didn't

[1:27:49] Voice 31: my name is

[1:27:51] Voice 14: erin needle um uh i don't know if this is the appropriate way to ask this question i

[1:27:58] Voice 14: heard earlier about engagement with transportation um that's uh regional advisory

[1:28:05] Voice 26: or uh yeah uh the

[1:28:08] Voice 26: ministry of transportation infrastructure um we have a protocol agreement with them and in that

[1:28:15] Voice 26: is to have a task force to deal with specific question uh transportation issues in the gulf

[1:28:20] Voice 26: islands that has not been active and for the first time there is going to be a meeting

[1:28:25] Voice 26: to rebuild the relationship in the Southern Gulf Islands

[1:28:29] Voice 26: and hopefully reinitiate that task force.

[1:28:32] Voice 26: And I'm hoping to make that happen here in the Northern Gulf Islands.

[1:28:36] Voice 26: That's great.

[1:28:36] Voice 26: I don't

[1:28:38] Voice 31: know if there's access to engagement

[1:28:40] Voice 31: from different organizations on the island,

[1:28:43] Voice 31: but I can think of a number that would be very interested

[1:28:46] Voice 31: in giving some information.

[1:28:49] Voice 26: Yeah, absolutely.

[1:28:51] Voice 26: I'll be in touch with you about that.

[1:28:54] Voice 10: I think another thing, I don't know if that was mentioned earlier or not, but what's important to note and maybe investigate for you is that the Ministry of Transport has invested significant money into active transportation programs.

[1:29:12] Voice 10: and that's available through regional districts to be.

[1:29:16] Voice 10: But where there's some plans or ideas

[1:29:19] Voice 10: or actual work on the ground that needs to get done,

[1:29:22] Voice 10: there is money that's becoming available.

[1:29:24] Voice 10: So it's worth investigating.

[1:29:26] Voice 10: And these are new announcements.

[1:29:27] Voice 10: But of course, we're also into an election period here.

[1:29:31] Voice 26: Lots of money.

[1:29:32] Voice 26: Yeah, and I think there's a

[1:29:34] Voice 26: number of organizations

[1:29:35] Voice 26: that all are coming at us from a slightly different lens

[1:29:38] Voice 26: that have a collective voice that can be empowering

[1:29:41] Voice 26: And the key

[1:29:44] Voice 10: is, the government is using the words faculty and education, so that's fantastic.

[1:29:48] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:29:49] Voice 27: Okay.

[1:29:50] Voice 10: Anybody else?

[1:29:52] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:29:52] Voice 10: What would you like to do at this point of the agenda?

[1:29:57] Voice 10: agenda. We we do.

[1:30:00] Voice 10: have we didn't insert this um much island violent enforcement at this section of the agenda we also

[1:30:06] Voice 10: have it still on the camera session and i don't know if you want to address uh the work there or

[1:30:12] Voice 10: you want to place a motion on the table it's time um that's could be a lengthy conversation at this

[1:30:18] Voice 10: table amongst ourselves at 10 minutes after uh 10 minutes away from our scheduled break um so i

[1:30:24] Voice 10: don't know if you want to think about that over the lunch break even maybe about how to move that

[1:30:27] Voice 10: forward and we could maybe just deal with some of the administrative items here what would you like

[1:30:32] Voice 10: to do i

[1:30:32] Voice 26: would like to move the the motion we've had a lot of discussion if we need to think about

[1:30:37] Voice 26: it over lunch time then we can make a decision okay perhaps if there is a lot of decisions

[1:30:46] Voice 26: so

[1:30:47] Voice 11: we're what's what's the answer to

[1:30:49] Voice 26: to move into new business now and consider the motion okay

[1:30:54] Voice 26: on much enforcement okay but

[1:30:56] Voice 26: only this one new business because our other new businesses

[1:30:58] Voice 26: no

[1:30:59] Voice 10: yeah no only the one item because i want to respect you know opportunity

[1:31:04] Voice 10: to have a break

[1:31:04] Voice 10: and staff some chance to have a break and then we can pick up where we left off so over to you then

[1:31:09] Voice 10: trustee elliott uh

[1:31:11] Voice 26: so we've had a lot of discussion um i sought um input from staff

[1:31:16] Voice 26: on put the motion on the floor for consideration and have a brief comment about it so the resolution

[1:31:25] Voice 26: i move that the gabriel island local trust committee defer enforcement of the munch island

[1:31:31] Voice 26: land use bylaw number 228 until a full review of policies and procedures for compliance and

[1:31:38] Voice 26: enforcement is complete and adopted i will second that motion for discussion purposes

[1:31:49] Voice 26: pieces perfect

[1:31:51] Voice 7: thank you um

[1:31:54] Voice 26: so i did see clarity we cannot stop investigations that in short was

[1:32:02] Voice 26: the advice that i got from lauren digman according to trust council policies um so this is following

[1:32:08] Voice 26: trust council policy 10.4 that local trust committees may make bylaw enforcement policies

[1:32:14] Voice 26: policies to direct compliance and enforcement in regards to specific issues so we've been hearing

[1:32:20] Voice 26: there is a very specific issue um many characterize it as a crisis point and the goal is to get on the

[1:32:29] Voice 26: same page improve communication do some education about the existing um file of compliance and

[1:32:37] Voice 26: enforcement policy and then adjust as needed i have um from warren that he actually plans to

[1:32:46] Voice 26: write a policy and procedure document for consideration for the gabriel ltc and that

[1:32:52] Voice 26: the gabriel ltc policy document may be different from the much policy document we may need to take

[1:32:59] Voice 26: a different approach so this is going to be i think an iterative process um we don't have

[1:33:05] Voice 26: of hard answers right now I have no intention to say this is the process that we need to follow

[1:33:11] Voice 26: we need to hear from the community first what are the problems and some of them today we need to

[1:33:18] Voice 26: look at the LUT where is it not working but I think it's the whole process that we need to

[1:33:23] Voice 26: improve it's the relationship between the Islands Trust and MUD residents that we need to shore up

[1:33:28] Voice 26: and start working together so this is I don't want this to be done to the community I want it

[1:33:35] Voice 26: to be done with the community and so that's why he recommended that we we undertake a review

[1:33:40] Voice 26: of the policies and procedures i think it starts with the community information meeting on much

[1:33:45] Voice 26: um and we listen come back with some ideas and work with staff to to develop a document so

[1:33:54] Voice 26: everybody is in full understanding and then so the deferral of enforcement is not ideal

[1:34:00] Voice 26: deal but the the precedence for this is the housing crisis on gabriela island that created

[1:34:08] Voice 26: the standing resolution to defer enforcement on non-conforming housing because people were having

[1:34:15] Voice 26: to live in whatever structures um rvs you know there's lots of non-compliance and so in 2021

[1:34:22] Voice 26: and we're still under this active resolution to defer enforcement on housing structures and it

[1:34:29] Voice 26: I see this as a similar crisis.

[1:34:32] Voice 26: There's a crisis of public confidence, there's a crisis of cohesion in the community,

[1:34:37] Voice 26: and we need to just give everybody some breathing space so that we can work together to develop a better approach.

[1:34:45] Voice 26: So I do have a note that this resolution would cease any possible enforcement actions from occurring without LTC approval.

[1:34:54] Voice 26: approval so what that might look like is there's still investigations and we get a report at the

[1:35:02] Voice 26: LTC saying here's some of the issues this is a critical environmental concern people are burning

[1:35:09] Voice 26: garbage here or there's 10 complaints against this one property do you want enforcement and

[1:35:15] Voice 26: we can make a decision on a case-by-case basis and this is the approach that's being tried

[1:35:20] Voice 26: on main island and on um denman and actually bylaw enforcement has said it's been a good approach

[1:35:28] Voice 26: to bring everything together to the ltc in a closed meeting we look at it you know what are

[1:35:34] Voice 26: the themes what are the really egregious things and like don't enforce something so the standing

[1:35:39] Voice 26: resolution wouldn't say no enforcement's happening it would allow us to review with bylaw enforcement

[1:35:46] Voice 26: is my understanding and if there's environmental issues or health and safety issues then um we can

[1:35:53] Voice 26: say yes we're going to um see enforcement on that so it's a deferral it does it is a pause it

[1:36:00] Voice 26: doesn't mean there's no investigations because apparently we can't involve investigations

[1:36:07] Voice 26: there's the intent of the motion okay

[1:36:11] Voice 3: thank you so do you have any questions or

[1:36:14] Voice 3: or comments or thoughts?

[1:36:15] Voice 3: I am.

[1:36:16] Voice 26: I am concerned.

[1:36:17] Voice 3: Whether you're in favor or not.

[1:36:19] Voice 26: Well, I'm definitely in favor of lessening the tension

[1:36:30] Voice 26: on my island right now.

[1:36:31] Voice 26: I am not totally in favor of deferring all final enforcement.

[1:36:36] Voice 26: I will never be in favor of that anywhere.

[1:36:39] Voice 26: That is not my job.

[1:36:41] Voice 26: My job is to follow the island's trust mandate.

[1:36:48] Voice 26: and that part of that is protecting the environment so I am definitely in favor

[1:36:55] Voice 26: of deferring any enforcement on issues that are not health and safety related

[1:37:01] Voice 26: or that are not serious environmental problems absolutely the one of my

[1:37:10] Voice 26: concerns is that I'm very glad Lauren is going to be writing policies and

[1:37:15] Voice 26: procedures because that's going to be helpful for the entire trustee

[1:37:18] Voice 26: not just a legend but we don't know when that can happen it's a big project it could take a long

[1:37:24] Voice 26: time um meanwhile i don't want chaos to ensue on my job because perhaps people think oh it's okay

[1:37:36] Voice 26: nothing's being enforced it's fine just do whatever you want that could happen too that

[1:37:43] Voice 26: would be terrible that would leave a bigger mess for the next local trust committee to clean up

[1:37:49] Voice 26: so i am only going to vote in favor of this motion if it is absolutely clear

[1:37:57] Voice 26: that any issues involving health and safety and environmental destruction or displacement

[1:38:05] Voice 26: will come to us for a decision on whether we go ahead with enforcement

[1:38:13] Voice 26: otherwise i will not support the motion perhaps it has to be worded a little bit differently

[1:38:22] Voice 10: So, you know, I've been contemplating this since the conversation started some time ago

[1:38:28] Voice 10: now about how it is that we might reduce the tension on my job.

[1:38:39] Voice 10: And I am concerned about restricting our ability to do enforcement where it's necessary.

[1:38:50] Voice 10: and so i am there's a question to you toby that developed that um um you have had the conversation

[1:39:00] Voice 10: with warren this one i have not it's

[1:39:03] Voice 26: been an email to all of you

[1:39:05] Voice 10: oh yeah but i haven't had

[1:39:07] Voice 10: the i couldn't have

[1:39:08] Voice 10: chimed in and asked questions as well but the

[1:39:10] Voice 26: other thing is

[1:39:11] Voice 26: the conversation well

[1:39:13] Voice 10: we can't have conversations as a corner by email that's right okay

[1:39:17] Voice 10: so i do

[1:39:18] Voice 10: you not to participate in that because that's not how we get our business right that's what you're

[1:39:24] Voice 10: doing is conducting the advancing the decision making capacity as a LTC

[1:39:28] Voice 26: gathering information

[1:39:30] Voice 26: so that we could get advice from staff which I thought was the right thing to do yeah

[1:39:35] Voice 10: we all

[1:39:36] Voice 10: have our way of doing things and I'm not participating in that because I can get

[1:39:39] Voice 10: staff in public um and so but that said right I uh I'm prepared to accept that you've had that

[1:39:49] Voice 10: conversation with Warren, not to say that I haven't looked at the conversation, just haven't

[1:39:56] Voice 10: participated. And so given that, I am prepared to support this motion because I do want to see us

[1:40:06] Voice 10: pause in some way in order for us to be able to gather our wits and analyze the situation and

[1:40:14] Voice 10: and move forward in some way.

[1:40:16] Voice 10: And of course, the other thing, just to reality check,

[1:40:19] Voice 10: we can change the mind of the standing resolution

[1:40:21] Voice 10: at any point in time.

[1:40:23] Voice 10: And so I have complete faith

[1:40:25] Voice 10: that if something egregious happens,

[1:40:27] Voice 10: somebody wants to build a Walmart or a Mudge or something,

[1:40:31] Voice 10: staff would bring it to us and go,

[1:40:33] Voice 10: holy smokes, there's something going on

[1:40:35] Voice 10: that you guys really need to know about.

[1:40:36] Voice 10: And then

[1:40:37] Voice 10: indeed, as indicated,

[1:40:38] Voice 10: we would provide that direction to take action.

[1:40:42] Voice 10: and absolutely environment and health are two of the aspects that will continue to happen

[1:40:47] Voice 10: regardless of our own initiatives and investigations will continue and and there's

[1:40:54] Voice 10: nothing different complaints will still come in i'm sure um but um how we approach it does need

[1:40:59] Voice 10: to be changed so

[1:41:00] Voice 15: um

[1:41:01] Voice 10: i am prepared to support it but what i really want to see happen is just to

[1:41:06] Voice 10: have a really in-depth conversation about this

[1:41:08] Voice 10: in

[1:41:09] Voice 7: the

[1:41:10] Voice 10: short term specifically and in the long term

[1:41:13] Voice 10: because of course luv and ocp amendments are not going to happen rapidly we know that no but the

[1:41:21] Voice 26: the caveat is a review of the policies and procedures which which manager dingman has

[1:41:26] Voice 26: signaled he wants to do anyway and many otcs want this so i think it's work that he's undertaking

[1:41:32] Voice 26: taking and Stefan Cermak has also said that's that is a region planning committee so I'd be

[1:41:39] Voice 26: prepared to add an amendment with the exception of situations where environmental health and safety

[1:41:45] Voice 26: are concerned

[1:41:48] Voice 11: for

[1:41:49] Voice 26: me

[1:41:50] Voice 11: that's a given that's

[1:41:51] Voice 26: a given yeah it's not a given for me okay well

[1:41:55] Voice 11: then

[1:41:55] Voice 26: if you want I really would appreciate that and then these would be brought to the LTC for

[1:42:00] Voice 26: review and i think staff is doing that and they're supportive of that direction in other

[1:42:05] Voice 26: ltcs they've said that that's an approach that's actually more efficient and helpful so would that

[1:42:10] Voice 26: amendment work so with so as it stands to tell full review policies and procedures and stop to

[1:42:16] Voice 26: come up with the exception a situation where environmental health and safety are a cons are

[1:42:24] Voice 26: are a significant concern and these will be brought to the ltc for review i i think you

[1:42:32] Voice 26: need to say we're environmental and human health and safety because if health and safety are

[1:42:38] Voice 26: significant concerns the ltc review that'd be okay so

[1:42:44] Voice 10: we've moved to second the motion so the

[1:42:47] Voice 26: motion

[1:42:47] Voice 10: originally is now owned by the committee so yeah i'd like to get a motion to amend so that the

[1:42:53] Voice 10: motion reads actually is that perhaps reason yeah

[1:42:56] Voice 26: i i move that the motion be amended to add with

[1:43:01] Voice 26: the exception of situations where environmental and human health and safety are a significant

[1:43:06] Voice 26: concern and these would be brought to the local trust committee for review

[1:43:13] Voice 10: excellent so then is there

[1:43:16] Voice 10: any discussion on the amendment to the motion no no

[1:43:19] Voice 10: okay so i'll call

[1:43:20] Voice 10: the vote then all those in favor it carries perfect and so can we now move to the amended

[1:43:26] Voice 10: motion and i would call the vote on that one all

[1:43:29] Voice 10: those in favor so that carries too excellent you

[1:43:32] Voice 10: guys thank you toby i don't want you to take my comments as criticism because thank you for your

[1:43:37] Voice 10: community of reaching your work we

[1:43:39] Voice 26: serve all the residents of muck's to coursey and gabriel thank

[1:43:52] Voice 15: Thank you for coming today.

[1:44:48] Voice 7: Good. Well, welcome back to the, so

[1:44:55] Voice 10: welcome back to the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee of April the 18th.

[1:45:01] Voice 10: We've had an exciting morning here, reporting out a long public comment period discussing the Mudge Island violent enforcement.

[1:45:10] Voice 10: And just for the record, a motion was passed, I'm going to paraphrase, to pause by law enforcement while we review policy.

[1:45:25] Voice 10: So that would be...

[1:45:27] Voice 10: With

[1:45:27] Voice 26: significant caveats.

[1:45:29] Voice 10: With significant caveats about health and well-being of the environment and human health.

[1:45:35] Voice 10: So that will be reported by the court within minutes.

[1:45:40] Voice 10: Um, and I, we concluded a public comment. We don't have any delegations today and we are now at minutes. Um, we have the minutes of the March 21st meeting here for adoption. And are there any changes proposed there?

[1:45:59] Voice 5: No.

[1:46:00] Voice 10: So then I'm going to take it then that the minutes of March the 21st be adopted as, uh, presented. And thank you, Lisa, for your good work there.

[1:46:12] Voice 10: The next two items is nothing to report. That brings us to the Section 7, 7.1, the follow-up action list dated April the 11th, 2024.

[1:46:23] Voice 10: I'll just turn to Stephen, if you don't have any updates on that for us.

[1:46:28] Voice 10: I

[1:46:28] Voice 21: do have one update regarding the request for a meeting with Mody regarding the mowing and maintenance of the road allowance.

[1:46:39] Voice 21: So I don't have an update that we have a meeting, but I have reached out to, or we have reached out to the contractor because they're the ones responsible for doing that work.

[1:46:49] Voice 21: And they do hold stakeholder, they hold stakeholder meetings in October or near October.

[1:46:58] Voice 21: We've asked to be included on that invite list.

[1:47:01] Voice 21: and um and i'm thinking this might be a bit more efficient way to get to the actually express the

[1:47:09] Voice 21: concerns about that issue and so um so that's in the approach instead of directly going to

[1:47:16] Voice 21: modi and eventually it being a a big work item um this this was an alternative we have tried so

[1:47:24] Voice 21: um when that invite comes through what i can do is forward that to the trustees

[1:47:28] Voice 21: and you can also they mentioned you can't join remotely so it should be fairly accessible

[1:47:36] Voice 21: and we also forward the correspondence that we receive that public correspondence

[1:47:40] Voice 28: okay

[1:47:40] Voice 21: well

[1:47:55] Voice 10: thank you for that that's good news

[1:47:57] Voice 10: So, Trustee, do you have any questions about items on the follow-up items, Trustee Elliott?

[1:48:02] Voice 26: Yes, I'm just looking for it, but I had sent an email to Director Craig.

[1:48:09] Voice 26: So this is regarding the, this is actually a way long, long time ago, this item, I think from October last year.

[1:48:18] Voice 26: we'd approved a resolution to put some money towards public engagement and joint

[1:48:25] Voice 26: coffee chats like an informal discussion with the director and the trustee's president

[1:48:32] Voice 26: that never really got off the ground and so i sort of re-asked steven and director craig if we can

[1:48:40] Voice 26: um do that and it actually might be a good opportunity with the ocp review coming up

[1:48:46] Voice 26: to have some joint meetings with the community so asking staff to explore options whether we should

[1:48:52] Voice 26: secure a venue or piggyback onto another meeting that's already happening like Sustainable

[1:48:58] Voice 26: Gabriela to talk about joint governance issues and hear from the community so I don't know if

[1:49:06] Voice 26: I copied the local trust committee on that I just wanted to advise you all that we're sort of

[1:49:12] Voice 26: bringing that back forward so there's a resolution that was passed yes we're going to do this but

[1:49:16] Voice 26: but it never was actioned,

[1:49:18] Voice 28: did

[1:49:18] Voice 26: you, I did copy you in that email, right,

[1:49:21] Voice 28: you may have, yes,

[1:49:25] Voice 28: there's been

[1:49:25] Voice 28: many months, but yeah, yeah, it's possible for sure, okay,

[1:49:28] Voice 26: so we're just trying to

[1:49:30] Voice 26: get that going, and you've got a little bit of budget, and Director Craig had some budget as

[1:49:34] Voice 26: well, so yeah, that was the only thing there,

[1:49:38] Voice 15: anything else, I

[1:49:41] Voice 15: do, but I don't know about

[1:49:42] Voice 15: has something i

[1:49:43] Voice 21: was going to say the budget is is through the special ltc special projects

[1:49:50] Voice 21: yeah

[1:49:50] Voice 26: i just had two quick queries on the follow-up actually um i noticed that gbrz

[1:49:58] Voice 26: 2022.1 ally enterprises is in progress do we have any kind of an etm on that yeah

[1:50:04] Voice 21: yeah i actually

[1:50:05] Voice 21: am i've been actively working on it and i expect next uh there should be something on here again

[1:50:12] Voice 21: up your next meeting is my my hope and i think that that's reasonable so great

[1:50:17] Voice 26: thank you stephen

[1:50:18] Voice 26: and a quick question about the um ec requesting up to 4 500 for a legal review of the covenant

[1:50:27] Voice 26: through the gabriel of commons and i saw it also went on minutes where is that at right now

[1:50:35] Voice 21: through the chat and give a response to that yeah so staff have drafted a request for decision that

[1:50:41] Voice 21: will go to vc i believe it's on their agenda their next agenda so it's going to be outside

[1:50:49] Voice 7: so

[1:50:50] Voice 21: that's great

[1:50:51] Voice 15: thank you okay

[1:50:54] Voice 8: anything else on the follow-up action list it's

[1:50:56] Voice 15: good all right

[1:50:58] Voice 10: well let's move into applications and referrals we're going through here today

[1:51:03] Voice 10: um the first one being uh gabriola development garage permit 2023.5

[1:51:09] Voice 10: name of the applicant is Shaw, is there somebody here today from that?

[1:51:15] Voice 10: Yes, that's who he is. I

[1:51:17] Voice 21: see a name on our queue.

[1:51:20] Voice 21: Okay,

[1:51:21] Voice 10: so Douglas, I'm going to try and promote you to speaker and bring you up even on video,

[1:51:27] Voice 10: but what our process usually is, is we ask staff to provide us a report, and oh,

[1:51:34] Voice 32: there you are.

[1:51:34] Voice 10: and somebody's actually doing magic for me that's fantastic i love it when it works like that

[1:51:39] Voice 10: um so anyway we're going to get the staff report and then there'll be an opportunity

[1:51:43] Voice 10: uh following that for you to make any uh new remarks that isn't in the report or any new

[1:51:49] Voice 10: information you'd like to share with us or whether you concur or not with the recommendation that's

[1:51:54] Voice 10: offered and then we may have some questions for staff and for yourself and then we'll make a

[1:52:00] Voice 10: decision here to the right all right thank you okay so over to you uh stephen yeah

[1:52:07] Voice 21: so this is a

[1:52:08] Voice 21: development variance permit application requesting to increase the permitted lock coverage in order

[1:52:16] Voice 21: to allow the existing buildings and structures that are on to a lot staff are recommending the

[1:52:21] Voice 21: application be approved as the variance is minor the increased block coverage will not have a

[1:52:27] Voice 21: a significant impact on the environment

[1:52:29] Voice 21: and the green properties.

[1:52:31] Voice 21: And it is in the applicant has submitted a referral

[1:52:33] Voice 21: to send him impersonation.

[1:52:35] Voice 21: And a response has been received requesting

[1:52:39] Voice 21: that the structure is not be removed

[1:52:41] Voice 21: due to their proximity to archeological sites.

[1:52:47] Voice 21: So I think that's my summary.

[1:52:49] Voice 9: Okay, thank you, Stephen.

[1:52:50] Voice 9: So Mr. Shaw, do you have any remarks or?

[1:52:56] Voice 3: No, not at this time.

[1:52:57] Voice 3: I think Stephen said everything

[1:52:58] Voice 3: thing that needs to be said at this point

[1:53:01] Voice 10: okay thank you so

[1:53:04] Voice 10: i'll just turn to trust each of

[1:53:05] Voice 10: these questions for staff for the applicant just

[1:53:08] Voice 26: a comment that um i really appreciate this

[1:53:10] Voice 26: wholesome report plan about really helpful and um i'd be prepared to make the recommendation

[1:53:18] Voice 26: after we hear from the audience okay yeah um i would just say that it's i'm continually learning

[1:53:26] Voice 26: having the referral sent to First Nations has been instructive, you know,

[1:53:31] Voice 26: in this case, their expression that structure should not be removed

[1:53:36] Voice 26: from the property due to proximity to archaeological sites and requesting

[1:53:41] Voice 26: that they be notified and the LTC has made a decision on a permit application.

[1:53:45] Voice 26: So it really just highlights to me how, even though it is challenging,

[1:53:50] Voice 26: we're in this new environment where almost everything needs a review

[1:53:54] Voice 26: review and a second look and we can't assume um that a nation will you know have a perspective

[1:54:01] Voice 26: of this or that it's been you know they're party to the process because we are making decisions on

[1:54:08] Voice 26: their land so um i definitely appreciate the um the report and rationale for recommendations

[1:54:16] Voice 26: seems sound so i'm prepared to support it so sure i moved up the gabriel island local

[1:54:23] Voice 26: committee approved issuance of development variance permit gb dbp 2023.5 second second

[1:54:30] Voice 10: yeah any further

[1:54:32] Voice 10: thank you very

[1:54:40] Voice 32: much trustees appreciate the job that you're doing

[1:54:42] Voice 10: have

[1:54:43] Voice 32: a nice day thank you

[1:54:44] Voice 10: for your success so our next item at 8.2 is uh gabriel development

[1:54:49] Voice 10: development permit 2024.1 silver bay we have a staff report here is the applicant also with us

[1:54:55] Voice 10: online this

[1:54:58] Voice 21: one um flannery cox online as well i

[1:55:02] Voice 10: see so flannery cox do we have the applicant with

[1:55:05] Voice 5: us hello

[1:55:06] Voice 1: um yes chair like i might believe we do um should there be two representatives um

[1:55:12] Voice 1: The consultants, Gary Pickener is online, probably needs to be promoted, as well as I think maybe Gary, I'm not sure if Jenny was also planning

[1:55:29] Voice 7: to join, but

[1:55:30] Voice 1: Jenny Chan is the other representative for the applicant.

[1:55:36] Voice 1: kind of yeah okay

[1:55:37] Voice 10: so um were you online there seeing how we processed the last one basically

[1:55:42] Voice 10: staff will make a report you'll have an opportunity to uh add any new information or and tell us

[1:55:49] Voice 10: whether or not you're clear with the recommendation or not and then we'll have a conversation here

[1:55:53] Voice 10: so i'll turn it over to uh planner cox that's great thank you thank

[1:55:57] Voice 1: you chair apologies for

[1:55:59] Voice 1: not being there in prison i've had a load of illness so be distancing for a little bit um

[1:56:06] Voice 1: So this is a development permit to allow the installation of a boat launch ramp

[1:56:13] Voice 1: at the Silvay Bay property in the south end of Gabriola.

[1:56:18] Voice 1: The Gabriola LTC is asked to consider this.

[1:56:21] Voice 1: It's within development permit area 4, flat top islands area,

[1:56:26] Voice 1: and hence the need for a development permit before any work can be undertaken,

[1:56:29] Voice 1: taken, including anything that requires a building permit by the regional district of Nanaimo.

[1:56:37] Voice 1: The applicant has provided, per the requirements of the DP guidelines, an environmental marine

[1:56:48] Voice 1: assessment report, and staff consider the materials as submitted to meet the DP guidelines

[1:56:54] Voice 1: lines for the flat tops flat tops area um the uh critically the well there's a summary of the

[1:57:04] Voice 1: project um and the scope of work included in the staff report um which has been um for the

[1:57:12] Voice 1: applicant uh pardon me has submitted a lands application to cinemic first nation um through

[1:57:20] Voice 1: through their process and is engaged in ongoing discussion according to the applicant.

[1:57:29] Voice 1: And this was the case for the previous DP on the property as well,

[1:57:33] Voice 1: which the applicant undertook for the demolition of the shipyard buildings and some other work there.

[1:57:40] Voice 1: So staff is satisfied the applicant is again working in good faith with SFN

[1:57:46] Voice 1: and understand the importance of the archaeological aspect of the project

[1:57:50] Voice 1: as well as the marine conservation aspect,

[1:57:56] Voice 1: which the DP guidelines are intended to address.

[1:58:02] Voice 1: So at this time, I think we can take any questions the LTC may have.

[1:58:10] Voice 10: Sure,

[1:58:10] Voice 8: I'll just turn to

[1:58:11] Voice 10: the applicant first,

[1:58:12] Voice 10: however, if he has any additional information he would like to offer.

[1:58:16] Voice 10: and if you concur with the recommendation and the report.

[1:58:21] Voice 13: All right, yeah, nothing additional to offer.

[1:58:24] Voice 13: Thank you, Ian, and thank you

[1:58:27] Voice 13: for considering this application.

[1:58:31] Voice 10: Okay, very good then.

[1:58:32] Voice 10: So I'll turn to trustees.

[1:58:33] Voice 10: Any questions for staff or the applicant

[1:58:35] Voice 10: on this development permit?

[1:58:39] Voice 26: Not really.

[1:58:40] Voice 26: I guess I just want to be clear

[1:58:42] Voice 26: that we're just talking about the demolition

[1:58:47] Voice 26: construction of a dock this has nothing to do with any other issues or potential building of

[1:58:53] Voice 26: a resort this is a discrete development application i

[1:58:56] Voice 4: would call it a ship's way

[1:58:57] Voice 4: exactly a ship's

[1:58:59] Voice 26: way yeah it's

[1:59:00] Voice 4: a different language there but yeah i think it's all to

[1:59:02] Voice 4: do specifically and then

[1:59:04] Voice 26: i would say that it you know regardless of what the future plans for the

[1:59:08] Voice 26: developer are um having a serviceable dock in the what is the former shipyard is definitely

[1:59:16] Voice 26: going to be a benefit to the community so i'm really happy to see that um this is going to be

[1:59:21] Voice 26: built and regardless of what happens with the potential commercial resort um this is uh this

[1:59:27] Voice 26: is an asset so i'm really happy that it's coming together yeah

[1:59:31] Voice 15: okay

[1:59:32] Voice 26: ditto regarding i would also

[1:59:34] Voice 26: call it the ship's place which i feel is super important at that part of the island and i was

[1:59:39] Voice 26: very sad to see the last one crumble and disappear yeah really really nice to see it rebuilt

[1:59:46] Voice 26: Thank you, Planner Cox, for a very good report.

[1:59:49] Voice 26: It's always so easy to make decisions with these kinds of reports.

[1:59:54] Voice 26: And I'm really hoping that they can get the work done.

[2:00:00] Voice 26: a whole regulations it's super important for all of the you know for the marine life down there if

[2:00:06] Voice 26: they can get it done during the low clouds in june would be wonderful yeah

[2:00:12] Voice 10: in fact a remark

[2:00:13] Voice 10: there's a really excellent um plan there uh to minimize the impact on marine mammals yeah

[2:00:20] Voice 10: good

[2:00:20] Voice 11: work so we would like to make a motion i'll

[2:00:23] Voice 26: make a motion thank you

[2:00:24] Voice 26: i move that the

[2:00:25] Voice 26: The Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee approved issuance

[2:00:27] Voice 26: of the document coming to DP 2024.1

[2:00:32] Voice 26: subject to the conditions imposed therein.

[2:00:36] Voice 10: Just the second in the motion.

[2:00:39] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[2:00:40] Voice 10: You know, just speak to all those in favor.

[2:00:43] Voice 10: That carries unanimously.

[2:00:45] Voice 10: There we go, well done.

[2:00:46] Voice 10: All right, well, thank you very much for joining us today.

[2:00:50] Voice 10: And we'll continue on with the next application

[2:00:53] Voice 10: on our list, 8.3, Gabriela Temporary Use Permit 2024.1,

[2:00:59] Voice 10: name is Furlong, and the staff report there on page 107

[2:01:03] Voice 10: is the applicant here.

[2:01:06] Voice 1: Yes, Chair, the applicant is Dr. Alan Furlong

[2:01:09] Voice 1: has joined the meeting, and I believe

[2:01:11] Voice 1: that you have a little bit of time now, correct?

[2:01:13] Voice 1: Yes, I see. Before

[2:01:14] Voice 1: your next, okay.

[2:01:16] Voice 10: Very

[2:01:16] Voice 1: good, so

[2:01:17] Voice 10: you follow the procedure there,

[2:01:21] Voice 10: Dr. Alan Furlong, yeah.

[2:01:23] Voice 10: You

[2:01:25] Voice 24: understood

[2:01:27] Voice 10: the procedure. We'll hear from staff and then you'll have an opportunity to speak again.

[2:01:30] Voice 24: Yes.

[2:01:31] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:01:37] Voice 1: Okay, so this is a temporary use permit application for 1760 Seymour Road.

[2:01:46] Voice 1: It is a request to allow a temporary use as a commercial vacation rental within a single family dwelling at that property.

[2:01:55] Voice 1: Staff analysis of the application suggests that it meets the TUP guidelines for CVR applications and is recommending approval of the permit for a period of 30 months.

[2:02:07] Voice 1: Now, the LTC has, of course, recently passed a resolution to opt into the provincial principal residence requirement.

[2:02:17] Voice 1: And the reason for this recommendation is that, as far as staff understand, the owner may wish to change this to their principal residence.

[2:02:31] Voice 1: residents and really after November 1st when the principal residence requirement comes into effect

[2:02:38] Voice 1: any other regulatory scheme like like the TUP

[2:02:41] Voice 27: would

[2:02:43] Voice 1: be would not be valid any longer so that

[2:02:47] Voice 1: would cease to be valid so whether or not the LTC decides you know if it were decided to issue

[2:02:56] Voice 1: you um whether or not the period um was greater than uh the the period ending november 1st it

[2:03:03] Voice 1: would cease to become valid if it was no longer or if it wasn't being operated in the principal

[2:03:07] Voice 1: residence of the owner as part of the public notification for this application staff has

[2:03:16] Voice 1: received one letter of concern which pertains as we understand to the previous ownership of

[2:03:26] Voice 1: the property and i think that i would let the applicant speak to that um issue um there'll

[2:03:36] Voice 1: be several professional letters and reports submitted in support of the application and

[2:03:40] Voice 1: and as i say as included in the report staff analysis suggests that the application does meet

[2:03:47] Voice 1: um the guidelines so we'd like to point out um two typos in the draft permit

[2:03:54] Voice 1: This application is requesting, it is a four bedroom house, so the applicant is requesting the use of those four bedrooms, and per the TUP guidelines, that would mean eight guests at one time.

[2:04:10] Voice 1: So that would mean, you know, if it were, if the LTC were to decide to issue the permit, that should be amended section 4.7 and 4.8 to reflect the request in the application.

[2:04:27] Voice 1: And I think I'll leave it there for any questions.

[2:04:33] Voice 26: are we talking about page 111 item 4.7 4.8 the terms of the maximum number of bedrooms

[2:04:42] Voice 26: is actually four not three correct

[2:04:45] Voice 1: through the chart page 111 that we're speaking about the

[2:04:51] Voice 1: proposed temporary use permit or the draft on page 111 section 4.7 and 4.8 maximum number of

[2:04:59] Voice 1: bedrooms should read four as is the request and then subsequently the maximum number of guests

[2:05:05] Voice 1: should read two per bedroom for maximum of eight at a given time

[2:05:12] Voice 1: per the per the for the uh the tp guidelines in the ocp

[2:05:19] Voice 10: so then um assuming that if the lbc wants to advance this we should make that amendment first

[2:05:25] Voice 10: and then we should approve or deny accordingly.

[2:05:31] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:05:34] Voice 10: So is that your report then, Planner Cox?

[2:05:38] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[2:05:40] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:05:40] Voice 10: So the applicant, do you have some remarks you'd like to share with us?

[2:05:45] Voice 24: Well, I'm happy to answer any questions.

[2:05:48] Voice 24: The one remark is there was the one letter of concern about noise complaints.

[2:05:53] Voice 24: planes. And I think as Planner Cox had said, those really related to the previous owner.

[2:05:58] Voice 24: As soon as we took possession, we heard from all of the neighbours. I think the whole neighbourhood

[2:06:01] Voice 24: was traumatised by the karaoke machine. And they've been very clear it's a very quiet

[2:06:07] Voice 24: neighbourhood. We've really focused on making sure that things are quiet to the extent of

[2:06:12] Voice 24: we have a terrier who tends to bark. We make sure that our dog's inside as much as possible.

[2:06:19] Voice 24: But we're very aware that the neighborhood was really shaken by all of the noise concerns.

[2:06:26] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[2:06:29] Voice 10: So that's a big advantage for the applicant, for the planner, and an expression of interest for whether or not you want to make the impact.

[2:06:39] Voice 26: I'll go first.

[2:06:40] Voice 26: First, I guess my comment is that I'll note that this is the result of a, you know, bylaw enforcement action.

[2:06:49] Voice 26: So following up on that, I guess, were you aware that commercial rental use of your home was not allowed on Gabriel before you purchased the property?

[2:07:05] Voice 24: So we purchased the property for a retirement place.

[2:07:09] Voice 24: I'll try to be quick but it's vacation property in the meantime we thought we were complying with

[2:07:15] Voice 24: the bed and breakfast provisions we went through it when we uh before we put it onto Airbnb uh and

[2:07:22] Voice 24: once we heard from uh Daniel Schneider that we were not in compliance we took it off Airbnb

[2:07:28] Voice 24: put the application in to make sure we're doing everything legally okay

[2:07:32] Voice 26: um that's my only other

[2:07:37] Voice 26: comment about um the materials provided um i've seen other uh information provided to

[2:07:47] Voice 26: guests that's a little more robust in terms of the water supply and conservation plan

[2:07:52] Voice 26: and understanding of the areas like in terms of um where we're situated in the name of first

[2:07:58] Voice 26: nation territory so would you be willing to amplify any of those materials or this just

[2:08:03] Voice 26: kind of seems bare bones um it is you know meets the requirements but um it i i have seen in the

[2:08:12] Voice 26: past that we've sort of sent it back to an applicant saying can you do a little bit more

[2:08:16] Voice 26: work to provide context for where the guests are staying that's all we'd

[2:08:22] Voice 24: be happy to do that

[2:08:23] Voice 24: and part of the email uh back and forth with planner cox this week was even the sound stuff

[2:08:30] Voice 24: was pretty basic we just cut and pasted from the bylaws and as long as we're allowed to we'd be

[2:08:35] Voice 24: really happy to really amplify that and extend that to make sure that there's more information

[2:08:41] Voice 24: about First Nations in context and and about the quiet nature of the neighbourhood.

[2:08:45] Voice 26: And I would

[2:08:46] Voice 26: also say the outdoor burning bylaw yeah you might want to some some places have like a whole page

[2:08:54] Voice 26: on you know being careful about fire and and the dry season and i think that's a concern for

[2:09:01] Voice 26: residents is just making sure that we um highlight fire water and sort of um first nations context

[2:09:10] Voice 26: would be important for me so but everything else seems to be um in good yeah all the technical

[2:09:18] Voice 26: The technical reports are great.

[2:09:21] Voice 26: Thank you.

[2:09:22] Voice 26: I'm

[2:09:22] Voice 24: happy to do those changes.

[2:09:24] Voice 26: And thank you so much, Trustee Elliott,

[2:09:27] Voice 26: because my questions have all been answered and concerns,

[2:09:31] Voice 26: except one, and that is the registration of that property

[2:09:35] Voice 26: as your primary residence.

[2:09:37] Voice 26: I assume that our staff will just be following up on that,

[2:09:43] Voice 26: just to make sure that happens.

[2:09:46] Voice 24: Yeah, so like I said, it's retirement property

[2:09:48] Voice 24: and my wife and I are talking about what our plans are in the future.

[2:09:53] Voice 24: So if we had a definite plan and definite data, I would let you know,

[2:09:58] Voice 24: but we're still in discussion right now.

[2:10:01] Voice 26: Okay.

[2:10:04] Voice 26: Yeah, because on the last page of the report,

[2:10:08] Voice 26: it does say that the existing use is recreational

[2:10:10] Voice 26: and the proposed use is recreational and short-term vacation rental.

[2:10:16] Voice 26: so I would be concerned that it is principal residence after at least after November 1st

[2:10:26] Voice 15: well

[2:10:27] Voice 26: I

[2:10:29] Voice 10: think you would be required to do that because it wouldn't be compliant exactly yeah

[2:10:33] Voice 10: yeah

[2:10:34] Voice 30: so

[2:10:35] Voice 10: does that sound satisfactory Mr. Furlong Dr. Furlong yes yeah

[2:10:40] Voice 10: okay so trustees there would

[2:10:43] Voice 10: be an amendment to 4.7 4.8 which was identified of the actual permit so if we can get a motion to

[2:10:49] Voice 10: amend that um

[2:10:50] Voice 26: so yeah i can do that so i move that uh gbtup 2024.1 temporary abuse permit

[2:11:03] Voice 26: it proposed draft section 4.7 be amended to from three to four units and 4.8 be amended to for a

[2:11:16] Voice 26: maximum of eight guests at any given time i'll second those amendments okay is that satisfactory

[2:11:23] Voice 26: factory is sort

[2:11:26] Voice 21: of drives three to four units, but I think it's

[2:11:29] Voice 26: apologize. Sorry. So the maximum number of

[2:11:34] Voice 26: is four.

[2:11:38] Voice 26: Yes, debate. We can do math here.

[2:11:44] Voice 10: Catherine, do

[2:11:45] Voice 8: you have that you're doing? I'm going to take

[2:11:46] Voice 8: in there today, I think.

[2:11:54] Voice 31: Yes, I Yes, I do.

[2:11:56] Voice 10: okay so then that's

[2:11:58] Voice 10: moved and seconded yep and

[2:12:00] Voice 10: any discussion all those in favor

[2:12:03] Voice 10: so that carries so then there's a recommendation at the top of the report to uh advance this i can

[2:12:09] Voice 26: make that and i i would just say um subject to the well i want to approve the issues of the permit

[2:12:17] Voice 26: with the understanding that they're going to amplify some of the the information for guests

[2:12:22] Voice 26: i guess that's understood or do i have to include that emotion well

[2:12:25] Voice 33: we're certainly getting a

[2:12:27] Voice 33: lot of approvals there okay

[2:12:29] Voice 26: that's understood all right i move that the gabriel island local

[2:12:32] Voice 26: trust committee approved issuance of temporary use permit gb tup 2024.1 for 30 men months from

[2:12:39] Voice 26: the date of issuance i'll second that

[2:12:42] Voice 10: right moved exactly any further discussion all those in favor

[2:12:46] Voice 10: it carries unanimously as well there you are thank you very much wish you every success with your

[2:12:54] Voice 10: thank you

[2:12:55] Voice 26: for keeping the neighborhood quiet yeah

[2:12:58] Voice 10: all right so 8.4 is another temporary use permit

[2:13:03] Voice 10: uh tup 2024.3 um uh greasedale and the applicant is here yeah perfect thank you and so you've seen

[2:13:14] Voice 10: the process after the report you'll have a chance to comment and then we'll have a conversation um

[2:13:19] Voice 10: so over to uh planner cox thank you thank

[2:13:23] Voice 1: you chair i guess another uh temporary use permit

[2:13:26] Voice 1: um this one a renewal um the applicant um in 2021 the ltc uh approved gabriella tup 2020.3

[2:13:36] Voice 1: um and this is a renewal of that um as is um available to the applicant to apply for for the

[2:13:44] Voice 1: renewal for a further three-year period at the discretion of the LTC. Staff's recommending

[2:13:51] Voice 1: issuance considering the five letters of support that were received and during the time that

[2:13:58] Voice 1: the operation was in play. We hadn't heard any formal concerns. However, there was one letter

[2:14:07] Voice 1: are submitted as part of this application with some concerns, which the LTC has received

[2:14:14] Voice 1: for their review.

[2:14:18] Voice 1: And further, staff had asked the applicant to provide some additional well data as part

[2:14:27] Voice 1: of the renewal because of change.

[2:14:30] Voice 1: You know, these conditions seem to change pretty rapidly at the moment, and the permit

[2:14:36] Voice 1: it was from 2021 and they have provided a new well test that does exceed the bylaw requirement

[2:14:44] Voice 1: for flow and that was provided by an on-island technician Brian Strachan as well

[2:14:52] Voice 1: and I think at the moment I will leave it there for any questions okay

[2:14:58] Voice 8: thank you so the applicant

[2:15:00] Voice 8: do you have any additional remarks or uh

[2:15:04] Voice 25: i don't i did i had a prepared statement but i thought in

[2:15:07] Voice 25: the interest of time that uh i think in case you guys have any questions i'm having to answer those

[2:15:11] Voice 25: okay i appreciate that

[2:15:12] Voice 25: i don't have anything to

[2:15:13] Voice 10: offer appreciate that so uh questions from

[2:15:16] Voice 10: trustees well

[2:15:17] Voice 26: one quick question about um the the information provided by brian strachan

[2:15:22] Voice 26: And the report says that, Brian Strachan states, in his professional opinion, the flow is unlikely to have changed since the original test.

[2:15:34] Voice 26: But it's not a new test.

[2:15:35] Voice 21: No, he did do a new test.

[2:15:37] Voice 21: I sent that to Ian.

[2:15:38] Voice 25: And Ian said, we have found conditions when it has changed.

[2:15:42] Voice 25: So we paid another $400 and he did another test.

[2:15:45] Voice 25: And Ian should have that document that states that it exceeds the primary option.

[2:15:49] Voice 10: Oh, okay.

[2:15:49] Voice 10: So Ian's had that.

[2:15:50] Voice 10: Do you have that on your cards?

[2:15:51] Voice 10: Yep,

[2:15:52] Voice 1: through the Chair. When this report was written, that hadn't been provided, but subsequently it was, and that was very recently, so that is information that we're in possession of, and that is a new test, as the applicant suggests.

[2:16:07] Voice 27: So, yeah,

[2:16:08] Voice 26: I want to make a few comments.

[2:16:11] Voice 26: I was just reading the letter of objection from the neighbors and most of the basis seems to be that, you know, British Columbia, British Columbia and Gabriel Island is suffering a housing crisis.

[2:16:26] Voice 26: And so I just want to state for residents and for this LTC, I am completely committed to finding alternatives and solutions to the housing crisis.

[2:16:37] Voice 26: I don't think that's going to be found in limiting people's ability to exercise their right through our regulatory bylaws to rent out their homes on a short-term basis.

[2:16:54] Voice 26: I think opting into the provincial regulation, we're going to see how that works.

[2:17:00] Voice 26: the intent is to curb off-island speculators from purchasing property specifically for the purpose

[2:17:08] Voice 26: of renting out commercially and that it will definitely do that by enabling this principal

[2:17:16] Voice 26: residency requirement I think that is going to curb that tendency and that is the sole intent

[2:17:22] Voice 26: intend but we are a destination place and actually having people come and stay in homes is

[2:17:30] Voice 26: um it's actually part of the education that we need to do about the value of the honest trust

[2:17:36] Voice 26: area um so i'm not convinced that um you know and i respect the letter writers and everyone's

[2:17:43] Voice 26: point of view of course that i wish we could solve the housing crisis but i don't think limiting

[2:17:50] Voice 26: short-term vacation rentals in this way will do that um and I want to commend the um the applicant

[2:17:59] Voice 26: I haven't I don't think I've ever seen as good of a contextual situation with your First Nations

[2:18:09] Voice 26: acknowledgement and the work that you did there I wish that every short-term vacation rental

[2:18:13] Voice 26: property owner would copy that because it was beautiful um all the wording was um to my mind

[2:18:21] Voice 26: very respectful and

[2:18:23] Voice 26: educational.

[2:18:24] Voice 26: There was one spelling error.

[2:18:27] Voice 25: The history behind that too

[2:18:29] Voice 25: as well is I think we took a visit

[2:18:30] Voice 25: we didn't want to write it and tell their

[2:18:33] Voice 25: story so we actually approached the local

[2:18:34] Voice 25: First Nations and

[2:18:36] Voice 25: they actually wrote it for us. Wonderful.

[2:18:39] Voice 15: And then we

[2:18:39] Voice 25: put that in and then we actually included, I don't know if it's

[2:18:41] Voice 25: on your version, but we included a QR code

[2:18:43] Voice 25: in the bottom which they can get additional

[2:18:45] Voice 25: information as well so

[2:18:46] Voice 25: we wanted to be respectful of that.

[2:18:48] Voice 26: that's absolutely and that is the key is it's that's the language that i've always been looking

[2:18:53] Voice 26: for is that we're not writing the history and the context and so i so appreciate that

[2:18:59] Voice 26: um there's a spelling error in the second to last paragraph it's the name of um you just want to

[2:19:05] Voice 26: check that yeah

[2:19:06] Voice 22: yeah we'll take a look at that um

[2:19:08] Voice 26: but in everything else i i find it's very good

[2:19:11] Voice 26: good application i'd be happy to move the proposed resolution and i just want to comment

[2:19:17] Voice 26: yes

[2:19:18] Voice 7: i

[2:19:20] Voice 26: commend the applicant on um the type of the type and amount of background information

[2:19:26] Voice 26: that you offer your guests is super helpful i do know that you are in an area of groundwater

[2:19:34] Voice 26: vulnerability i'm sure you know that um it's in an area that's intrinsically vulnerable

[2:19:40] Voice 26: vulnerable to shortage of water but also to salt water intrusion so the more that you can educate

[2:19:46] Voice 26: your guests about conserving water the better yeah

[2:19:50] Voice 25: we have placards next to every cup in there

[2:19:52] Voice 25: as well as we reduce all the gardens into just natural stuff we don't do any exterior

[2:19:57] Voice 25: everything we can to minimize the water usage i

[2:20:03] Voice 26: have one little kind of like a spelling error

[2:20:06] Voice 26: under your restaurants um you're you're hoping that silver bay will be reopening in 2023.

[2:20:13] Voice 25: yes so

[2:20:14] Voice 26: that will have to be we're

[2:20:16] Voice 25: actually going to do the guest book so i'll make sure to take

[2:20:19] Voice 25: note of that yes

[2:20:20] Voice 26: um and that is going to be your principal primary

[2:20:23] Voice 25: yeah i own a business on the

[2:20:25] Voice 25: island as well so it's been a lot of time i

[2:20:28] Voice 26: will do you want to make a

[2:20:30] Voice 26: motion sure i'd love to

[2:20:31] Voice 26: Thanks. I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GBTUP 2024.3, a renewal of GBTUP 2020.3 for a period of three years.

[2:20:46] Voice 26: I'll second that motion.

[2:20:48] Voice 11: Seconded. Excellent.

[2:20:50] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[2:20:51] Voice 8: No.

[2:20:51] Voice 8: Then I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[2:20:54] Voice 8: It carries unanimously.

[2:20:55] Voice 8: Very good.

[2:20:56] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:20:56] Voice 10: Congratulations.

[2:20:57] Voice 26: Thank you for your patience.

[2:20:59] Voice 8: No problem.

[2:21:00] Voice 26: A lot of work.

[2:21:01] Voice 26: In

[2:21:01] Voice 10: the interest of time, I'm going to go and make sure to sit down.

[2:21:04] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:21:05] Voice 10: Take care.

[2:21:08] Voice 10: Our final application today is Gabrielle,

[2:21:12] Voice 10: Development Variance Permit 2023.3, Miller, and Lieutenant

[2:21:15] Voice 8: Tomadas.

[2:21:17] Voice 8: Thank you for joining us today.

[2:21:18] Voice 8: I appreciate that.

[2:21:19] Voice 8: And I'll turn it over to you.

[2:21:21] Voice 8: Is the applicant with us?

[2:21:23] Voice 8: There you are.

[2:21:24] Voice 8: Perfect.

[2:21:24] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:21:26] Voice 8: You're welcome.

[2:21:27] Voice 26: Yeah.

[2:21:28] Voice 26: So this is the purpose of this application.

[2:21:31] Voice 26: is for the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee to consider development variance permit application

[2:21:36] Voice 26: GBPB 23.3 which seeks to vary the 10 meter setback minimum to the networks already completed

[2:21:45] Voice 26: specifically a 30 meter strip wood shed within 0.0 meters of the interior lot line.

[2:21:52] Voice 26: The existing shed was originally built in the early 1990s and has since been maintained with

[2:21:57] Voice 26: storage of tools and wood. The application is generally supported as the variance sought is

[2:22:04] Voice 26: minor. There is no land or ground disturbance proposed and the shed does not obstruct or

[2:22:11] Voice 26: impact neighboring views and property. There have been no public comments received

[2:22:17] Voice 26: for part of this DPP at the time of this report or before. However,

[2:22:24] Voice 15: the Sonoma

[2:22:24] Voice 26: First Nation has

[2:22:25] Voice 26: has identified the application for review and comment

[2:22:28] Voice 26: and requested submission of a referral application

[2:22:32] Voice 26: to their lands clerk.

[2:22:33] Voice 26: Therefore, staff are recommending

[2:22:35] Voice 26: that the LTC request the applicant submit a referral

[2:22:37] Voice 26: application before proceeding to allow the SFM the opportunity

[2:22:41] Voice 26: to comment on the application before the LTC considers

[2:22:44] Voice 26: issuance.

[2:22:48] Voice 26: And the applicant

[2:22:50] Voice 15: is here to .

[2:22:52] Voice 32: Would you have any remarks you'd like

[2:22:54] Voice 32: to share with us about the recommendation?

[2:22:55] Voice 32: yes i believe um

[2:22:58] Voice 18: the reason that i'm not wanting to fill out the application for just an animal

[2:23:05] Voice 26: for those conditions is

[2:23:06] Voice 26: not because i don't respect what they're up to and trying to stand

[2:23:11] Voice 26: out for themselves it's because when i'm trying to stand up for myself too in a sense um but i'm

[2:23:21] Voice 26: not understanding how it applies to me in that i'm not disturbing anything i'm not doing anything

[2:23:32] Voice 26: i'm not developing anything so i had read over your agreement with them um and it's still i can't

[2:23:43] Voice 26: quite get that so if you could maybe make comment i would appreciate so i get more understanding

[2:23:52] Voice 26: And my other question is, am I in an archaeological site, or a heritage site in such that there was significant activities there of any kind?

[2:24:13] Voice 26: So I'm kind of basing it on that when I read this. So is there any sense of what is the reason?

[2:24:24] Voice 26: so

[2:24:26] Voice 10: maybe the last question might ask staff to answer because i think as

[2:24:30] Voice 10: a property owner you

[2:24:31] Voice 10: can inquire that heritage branch to know about your property in confidence whether or not there's

[2:24:37] Voice 10: any archaeological sites on your property yeah

[2:24:42] Voice 26: through the chair um there's no no mapped

[2:24:45] Voice 26: archaeological sites on more than 100 meters of the shed so it wouldn't be identified

[2:24:51] Voice 26: You know, normally we use those parameters to say initiate referral or rationale for referral. But in this case, there is none. But the nation has identified to staff that they would like a referral application, nonetheless.

[2:25:10] Voice 11: Yeah. And we don't know why.

[2:25:13] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:25:15] Voice 26: there's probably multiple reasons for that, but we're not sure.

[2:25:21] Voice 8: But

[2:25:22] Voice 5: the applicant can make that query themselves, right, about the site, and that's privileged

[2:25:29] Voice 5: information because you're in the property.

[2:25:31] Voice 5: But what we know from our access is that it doesn't appear to be anything.

[2:25:39] Voice 26: That's kind of, well, that's exactly what I see is I just don't see that I'm going to

[2:25:47] Voice 26: disrupt anything

[2:25:51] Voice 26: and

[2:25:54] Voice 26: just because

[2:25:56] Voice 26: doesn't

[2:25:58] Voice 26: principles

[2:26:06] Voice 15: well

[2:26:08] Voice 26: I have comments

[2:26:10] Voice 26: first of all Sandra I'm very sorry

[2:26:13] Voice 26: that this whole business

[2:26:15] Voice 26: came to us

[2:26:17] Voice 26: as a result of

[2:26:19] Voice 26: a vexatious or retaliatory

[2:26:22] Voice 26: and I'm really sorry

[2:26:24] Voice 26: about that and it says that right in this report and i understand how distressing it is

[2:26:31] Voice 26: um i'm also really concerned that we just looked at um two temporary use permits

[2:26:38] Voice 26: where first nation clearly stated they did not need to be looking at them because there was no

[2:26:45] Voice 26: ground disturbance. So

[2:26:47] Voice 26: to me that obviates them needing to look at this and I'm really bothered

[2:26:54] Voice 26: by that. I'm very bothered by that. I need to know why they need to look at this and it is my business

[2:27:05] Voice 26: because they've just clearly stated in two previous temporary use permit reports that they

[2:27:11] Voice 26: don't need to look at things that are not going to be moved or disturbed and that's really important

[2:27:19] Voice 26: to me like if something was going to be moved or disturbed particularly in a known site but

[2:27:26] Voice 26: i don't know the sites um then i would be concerned but i feel like somehow an error

[2:27:32] Voice 26: has happened here and i'm willing to wear it as a mistake because i don't think this should be

[2:27:39] Voice 26: referred to the name of first nation and if it is referred then i do not think you should be

[2:27:46] Voice 26: sending in a thousand dollars i think you should use the part of the form that says

[2:27:51] Voice 26: if you are not sending in payment please explain why and that's all i that's all i can say on this

[2:28:00] Voice 26: this is really bothering me this one

[2:28:03] Voice 15: really

[2:28:05] Voice 26: bothering me and it is certainly no disrespect

[2:28:08] Voice 26: respect us in the name of First Nation

[2:28:10] Voice 26: because I am so grateful for all of the collaborative and

[2:28:17] Voice 26: cooperative work that we've been able to start with them and I'm so appreciative of them being

[2:28:25] Voice 26: willing to start a really good communication with us and I don't want to harm that I don't want to

[2:28:32] Voice 26: cause any harm with that but I somehow think that we this is somehow I'm a state or an error and I'm

[2:28:38] Voice 26: Like I say, I'd like to wear it.

[2:28:41] Voice 10: Toby, do you have some thoughts there?

[2:28:44] Voice 26: I do.

[2:28:51] Voice 26: We're in a rebuilding relationship phase.

[2:28:54] Voice 26: This is the new one.

[2:28:55] Voice 26: And I don't think we can make any assumptions

[2:28:57] Voice 26: about what the nation considers is important

[2:29:01] Voice 26: and what their process is.

[2:29:06] Voice 26: I believe they've just changed their referral process

[2:29:10] Voice 26: us in the last 18 months and what i'm seeing and correct me if i'm wrong is they do want to review

[2:29:19] Voice 26: everything and some nations do want that they're they're saying we want to know everything that's

[2:29:26] Voice 26: happening even if it's not a concern just to know what is going on in our territory and that may be

[2:29:34] Voice 26: the approach here so i'm not assuming that but um i don't think we should make any assumptions i

[2:29:39] Voice 26: I don't think it's on us to wear it.

[2:29:41] Voice 26: It is their specific request to review this application.

[2:29:45] Voice 26: I don't think we can ignore that.

[2:29:46] Voice 26: But I would like to find a way to alleviate the financial hardship if we could, because

[2:29:57] Voice 26: it's, I guess.

[2:30:00] Voice 26: are our ltc's desire to build relationship and build trust with the nation that we are going

[2:30:06] Voice 26: to work together and not just dismiss any concerns they might have or any requests that they have

[2:30:13] Voice 26: you know is there a way that that could not land on you as the applicant um to bear that and that's

[2:30:19] Voice 26: what a conversation i wonder if we could have in front of our body and i'd like to after you

[2:30:31] Voice 7: no yeah

[2:30:32] Voice 10: you go ahead and then i'll make my remarks okay

[2:30:35] Voice 21: i just i can just comment just to clarify

[2:30:37] Voice 21: that um our understanding currently from sanam again is a process that that we're learning and

[2:30:44] Voice 21: we're um in discussions in a way to try and understand um which referrals they they want

[2:30:51] to see and and for what reasons and those kind of just get more clarity in that process but

[2:30:57] Voice 21: our current understanding is that all development grants permits um they are interested in receiving

[2:31:05] Voice 21: a referral for for the temporary use permits which was just mentioned as well as um i think

[2:31:11] Voice 21: that that's something that they had indicated an interest in and they may be interested in but

[2:31:15] Voice 21: they're um currently is not it's not as high a priority i think is my understanding so might

[2:31:22] Voice 21: might change and as we learn learn more from them but that's that's just our current understanding

[2:31:29] Voice 21: so just to clarify that and we

[2:31:34] Voice 15: don't

[2:31:37] Voice 22: know necessarily the reason all exists

[2:31:39] Voice 22: so

[2:31:42] Voice 33: obviously make my comments and share my advice to you um

[2:31:49] Voice 10: i agree with toby about not

[2:31:52] Voice 10: making assumptions about what they do or don't know, because it may be there's something that

[2:31:56] Voice 10: we just simply don't know that is maybe not reflected on the map or otherwise. And I don't,

[2:32:06] Voice 10: yeah, I think that probably is enough. I don't know that there's necessarily anything further

[2:32:10] Voice 10: that we need to say about that. And so I would encourage you to fill out the application and

[2:32:18] Voice 10: and choose the section that doesn't include the plankton

[2:32:22] Voice 10: and explain carefully your own personal circumstance,

[2:32:28] Voice 10: your residency on the island,

[2:32:30] Voice 10: and the fact that you clearly stated

[2:32:33] Voice 10: that there is no disturbance to a shed

[2:32:36] Voice 10: that's been there for all this time, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:32:40] Voice 10: And appeal to them.

[2:32:42] Voice 10: This is a human to human piece.

[2:32:45] Voice 10: Sometimes the process is more complex than it needs to be.

[2:32:49] Voice 10: And if indeed there isn't some specific concern that they have,

[2:32:54] Voice 10: then they might choose to waive that, I don't know,

[2:32:58] Voice 10: or reduce it in some way.

[2:33:00] Voice 10: And, of course, time isn't of the essence here.

[2:33:02] Voice 10: And so us making a decision to put this in advance

[2:33:07] Voice 10: isn't going to make anything worse or whatever.

[2:33:11] Voice 10: but i understand why you might not want to do that but i think it doesn't hurt to uh to ask

[2:33:19] Voice 10: that's what my mom always used to tell me well

[2:33:22] Voice 26: is it can i yeah for me a couple things come up

[2:33:34] Voice 26: and that's yes we don't know this is all new this is

[2:33:39] Voice 26: all just being formed now as an all-knowing

[2:33:43] Voice 26: here and here is in my eyes a chance to set it right and not just to set it right for the first

[2:33:53] Voice 26: nation's people because we the people of the island are equally important and equally the

[2:34:02] Voice 26: communication and building a relationship with the people of the island is is pretty paramount

[2:34:08] Voice 26: given track records of how it's gone so i think that somehow as you're all seem to be saying

[2:34:19] Voice 26: to make this evolve this in such a way that it works for everything

[2:34:24] Voice 15: and

[2:34:25] Voice 26: to just say sandra miller

[2:34:28] Voice 26: this is what we want you to do i'm saying sandra miller doesn't think it's right

[2:34:42] Voice 26: so i don't mind if you guys put in the application and say you know there's nothing going on here

[2:34:51] Voice 26: and just so you know but i'm not i don't understand why i'm the one to do that because

[2:34:59] Voice 26: i'm not making the policies i'm just the one that's going to take i just i don't understand

[2:35:07] Voice 26: down. I'm not making these policies.

[2:35:11] Voice 26: And I'm only one person. Does everyone else on the island

[2:35:15] Voice 26: know that this is going on? That these people want

[2:35:20] Voice 26: every permit brought in front of them? I just think

[2:35:25] Voice 15: it's something worth considering.

[2:35:32] Voice 7: I understand.

[2:35:35] Voice 7: They'll reconcile this in

[2:35:37] Voice 10: a way that

[2:35:37] Voice 10: works. Trustees?

[2:35:41] Voice 10: So

[2:35:41] Voice 26: I'll just make one more comment. We have been given an alternative, or a couple of alternative motions to make.

[2:35:51] Voice 26: And the one that I would choose morally and ethically, notwithstanding my respect for sending an impersonation,

[2:36:01] Voice 26: is that we improve it because, as Steph has pointed out in the report, the variance is minor.

[2:36:08] Voice 26: minor. There is no land or ground disturbance. It does not obstruct or impact neighbouring views

[2:36:15] Voice 26: and poverty. And I would choose the alternative, but I suspect I'm in the minority here. And I

[2:36:25] Voice 26: understand that. And it was June of 2023 that this came about. And at the time, it was,

[2:36:36] Voice 26: is these were the policies the the guidelines I should say not policies and nowhere in here

[2:36:43] Voice 26: was that no way and then just in January and you know I mean you have communicated with me you think

[2:36:52] Voice 26: wait like every time I had questions but in January I get the need to put in this application

[2:36:59] Voice 26: and then in february comes out oh now it's a thousand dollars like that just left my jaw

[2:37:08] Voice 26: on my chest i just like oh my god like what's going on so it's also the timing

[2:37:23] Voice 15: so

[2:37:24] Voice 26: you asked a question earlier um does every resident know this yeah um

[2:37:31] Voice 26: um this being the changing context of local government and their stations and relationships

[2:37:39] Voice 26: is that kind of what you're no i would i imagine everyone knows that we're all trying to build

[2:37:48] Voice 26: relationships together it's this permit like being a taxpayer and not doing anything wrong

[2:37:59] Voice 26: on uh that is the piece right that um do people know that the land that you think is your private

[2:38:12] Voice 26: land really isn't exactly yeah and and so now is this kind of a president setting in like they do

[2:38:20] Voice 26: in a court of law and if it is then we really got to get it right and we've got to get it right for

[2:38:28] Voice 26: for all not just the people who have been worn down but also to create some wanting to get

[2:38:39] Voice 26: together and not them and us that's my lecture which kind of sounded like one but i didn't so

[2:38:47] Voice 26: if i can offer i've had a lot of learning uh right in the last 18 months going to different

[2:38:55] Voice 26: seminars and hearing where the province is at what different municipalities and local governments

[2:39:01] Voice 26: are struggling with and it's different everywhere because the relationships of the nation to the

[2:39:10] Voice 26: lands and their territories and how that history is unfolded is different everywhere so it's I

[2:39:16] Voice 26: believe it's really hard for the provincial government to say here's the action plan here's

[2:39:21] Voice 26: here's how you, local government, need to act.

[2:39:24] Voice 26: So what we're learning is that the development of our processes,

[2:39:29] Voice 26: so when we talk about processes, it's our planning staff talking to some of the staff,

[2:39:35] Voice 26: saying, well, what's important to you with regard to Gabriel Island?

[2:39:39] Voice 26: And we work on a process that's respectful for both of our agencies

[2:39:43] Voice 26: and for the residents of the community.

[2:39:47] Voice 26: um but i can understand how you feel caught in the middle because those processes are new

[2:39:53] Voice 26: um but as a local trust committee i can't abrogate my duty to listen to the nation whose

[2:40:04] Voice 26: territory we're on and when they say specifically this is what we want to look at i can't ignore

[2:40:10] Voice 26: over that i had

[2:40:12] Voice 26: no way would expect you so and that and to me that's what we'd be doing if we

[2:40:17] Voice 26: approve issuance of this in spite of their objections to say hold on we'd like to have a

[2:40:23] Voice 26: look at this even if there's nothing there um that is a respectful that is showing signs of respect

[2:40:31] Voice 26: that we're listening and that we are willing to work together so i'm coming out from this other

[2:40:36] Voice 26: side where you're like how are we working together and i'm like but that is the process

[2:40:40] Voice 26: is listening

[2:40:41] Voice 26: and and doing steps that show that we're willing to change our process i understand

[2:40:48] Voice 26: that okay i do really i'm not i'm yeah but i also understand that as a as a private citizen too

[2:41:01] Voice 26: and a landowner they may it's unseated it's it's not that it's all their land and it's not that

[2:41:10] Voice 26: it's my land

[2:41:11] Voice 15: but

[2:41:12] Voice 26: right now I'm moving on it and for 30 plus years I've been paying taxes on it

[2:41:17] Voice 26: and so I think that there is some way in this that I too have a right and I too have a right

[2:41:25] Voice 26: to privacy and i don't think that in this case that's being honored and i think that

[2:41:37] Voice 26: you know i know they have my application already

[2:41:39] Voice 15: and

[2:41:41] Voice 26: and so be it you know and uh

[2:41:46] Voice 26: in my understanding that there is already funding going to process those applications and

[2:41:53] Voice 26: And so, I mean, I get that we have to work together,

[2:41:58] Voice 26: but I too need respect for my land,

[2:42:02] Voice 26: that I've been paying and continue to pay them and not abuse.

[2:42:09] Voice 15: I'm sorry, this is so difficult.

[2:42:11] Voice 26: Well, yeah, and I understand it's difficult

[2:42:14] Voice 26: and I'm not expecting a clear-cut process,

[2:42:18] Voice 26: but I am trying to stand up, just not for myself,

[2:42:21] Voice 26: but for anybody else that's coming across this.

[2:42:24] Voice 26: So what would you like in terms of clear communication? If you say, is this going to be a surprise for other residents? Like, do we need to do some work on clarifying what our processes might look like in the future? Is that something that would be helpful?

[2:42:45] Voice 26: well i thought about it quite a bit and we talked about it and like a like i don't i don't know how

[2:42:53] Voice 26: many people would be interested because if it doesn't affect someone immediately then it's hard

[2:42:58] Voice 26: to have an interest and to gain but somehow put the information out there if you're if the policy

[2:43:07] Voice 26: seems to already be in place even though it's not written signed sealed and delivered and a date

[2:43:13] Voice 26: state saying this is where we're going to deposit on this state starting this state but it's already

[2:43:20] Voice 26: seems to be out here so why not let people know in the paper um you know on your website like get

[2:43:29] Voice 26: i don't know i don't know because i'm not professional in that area

[2:43:33] Voice 27: and

[2:43:35] Voice 26: um but i think

[2:43:37] Voice 26: i think we are setting the precedence right now and i think that if we're going to try and make

[2:43:43] Voice 26: a communication between them the first nations and us the colonial type people which that's already

[2:43:51] Voice 26: so far back from um that i don't feel that in my daily you know like i didn't treat them badly but

[2:44:03] Voice 26: to get to get the communication happening if it's in this jurisdiction that this particular band

[2:44:11] Voice 26: wants this kind of thing then hey people you know like this is what we're planning on doing let's

[2:44:21] Voice 26: get together and see how we can make it work

[2:44:23] Voice 15: that's

[2:44:24] Voice 26: just my thought so if i if i may i'd love

[2:44:27] Voice 26: to put forward a resolution that we can ask staff to develop some communication about our referral

[2:44:32] Voice 26: processes and update the public on um what it looks like with development permits and

[2:44:43] Voice 26: the specifics of tups and what's the name of wants to be um engaged in because i think you're right

[2:44:49] Voice 26: we have to communicate that so that people aren't surprised and i think that's where you've been

[2:44:54] Voice 26: left um asking these really difficult questions here and i'm i'm sorry for the hardship and i'd

[2:45:01] Voice 26: I'd love to see if this LTC can support you if there is a fee and call it First Nations

[2:45:08] Voice 26: relationship building because we're in this gray area right we're not in a place where there are

[2:45:14] Voice 26: clear answers right now but we have to build the relationship and show our intent is to listen but

[2:45:22] Voice 26: I hear you as well that we need to listen to both sides yes and I get that the communication can't

[2:45:30] Voice 26: say this is what we're now doing yeah this is what we're doing and how do we build from there

[2:45:38] Voice 26: because sure something's not working you'll need to make it work absolutely that's kind of my

[2:45:43] Voice 26: thought thank you thank you i feel heard i really do and i thank you thank you for it yeah we'll do

[2:45:51] Voice 26: our best so

[2:45:53] Voice 10: i'm learning that regional planning manager jimrock has joined us and we had your

[2:45:58] Voice 10: hand up there a moment ago um i do wish to make a remark or share offer some advice uh

[2:46:05] Voice 10: thank you

[2:46:09] Voice 30: through the chair um good afternoon um i'm aware you have i'm not sure if you have

[2:46:14] Voice 30: a motion on the floor right now but i didn't want to interrupt the discussion on the motion

[2:46:19] Voice 30: before you would make another motion in discussion so um i'm happy to allow the

[2:46:24] Voice 30: discussion to continue and i can provide an update um should the next motion come up for discussion

[2:46:31] Voice 11: so i'd like to give some

[2:46:34] Voice 10: more context yeah i want to say uh sandra if you don't mind

[2:46:42] Voice 10: i really admire your strength of your stand right um and then i just say that okay um however i think

[2:46:57] Voice 10: There is a path forward, and I recognize that you don't, that you want to be respected, too.

[2:47:04] Voice 10: And I completely understand.

[2:47:11] Voice 10: Sometimes, and I don't mean to underestimate the weight that it might carry, but sometimes it is easier to offer something.

[2:47:23] Voice 10: And that ability exists with you, whether you agree with it.

[2:47:27] Voice 10: But ultimately, you have to agree with it if you're going to do with it, because you're obviously principled.

[2:47:32] Voice 10: You want to do the right thing for yourself and for everybody.

[2:47:35] Voice 10: That's great.

[2:47:39] Voice 10: We are working within a framework, which I call it broken, except that it never worked in the beginning.

[2:47:50] Voice 10: So being broken implies that it worked at some point in time, but it's

[2:47:55] Voice 10: never worked for the nations.

[2:47:57] Voice 10: and the nations in their way are trying to establish a better way within a broken framework

[2:48:08] Voice 10: and you know like i'd like to think that we're getting away from all of these problems being

[2:48:15] Voice 10: sorted out in force which is how it's been done and we're working towards reconciliation to build

[2:48:20] Voice 10: better understanding and build frameworks that we can work in together and this is it is less

[2:48:27] Voice 10: and ideal for sure. And when I first heard about this a while back, I was a bit surprised. However,

[2:48:37] Voice 10: we're being asked to cooperate with them in a

[2:48:41] Voice 10: way that seems to them is how they feel they want to

[2:48:46] Voice 10: move forward. And I think that as Toby sort of indicated, and of course, I'm speaking for myself,

[2:48:52] Voice 10: not for kobe um um we are wanting to build this relationship and work together and find ways to

[2:49:00] Voice 10: work together and in some respects there's some experimentation and and in this particular case

[2:49:06] Voice 10: to your expense totally understand that um i think that personally i think we need to go that next

[2:49:13] Voice 10: step to and i wasn't 100 sure if you said you'd already filled out the application and sent in

[2:49:20] Voice 10: money or not or you have okay

[2:49:21] Voice 9: but they

[2:49:22] Voice 10: might they're aware perhaps of this but they probably

[2:49:26] Voice 10: haven't heard your story and there's an opportunity for you to impart your story which will help build

[2:49:32] Voice 10: the bigger story because you're not the only one that feels or thinks like this and um if they

[2:49:37] Voice 10: i don't have any way of second guessing or implying anything that i know about what they

[2:49:43] Voice 10: might say but maybe as the trustee yates has said that

[2:49:48] Voice 33: there's

[2:49:50] Voice 10: you know there's a mistake

[2:49:54] Voice 10: and

[2:49:55] Voice 26: i didn't mean that we as a channel i meant me personally

[2:50:00] Voice 10: but anyway um i think that if the nation comes back and says no we need to be

[2:50:06] Voice 10: and um and we have these concerns then that's a different question than the question we're

[2:50:12] Voice 10: being presently asked we're being asked could you make the application and then if there's a fee

[2:50:17] Voice 10: associated with it then that's another thing and the greater context that you pointed out which is

[2:50:22] Voice 10: you've done very articulated it very well and then does everybody else realize that this is

[2:50:28] Voice 10: what's happening and the answer is probably no but the fact is that this has been happening for some

[2:50:33] Voice 10: sometimes yes

[2:50:36] Voice 15: yes and thank goodness right yeah

[2:50:39] Voice 15: well yeah um

[2:50:40] Voice 26: but again moving forward we're just

[2:50:46] Voice 26: at this little glitch here you know and i get it i get it that i need to have an application out

[2:50:53] Voice 26: there they want to see what's going on in this land but is it truly like can i give you the

[2:51:03] Voice 26: the application. I don't know if you've glanced at it lately.

[2:51:07] Voice 26: It doesn't tell me anything

[2:51:10] Voice 26: of what are they looking for?

[2:51:14] Voice 26: Why am I doing this?

[2:51:18] Voice 26: And this, the one that I first received,

[2:51:22] Voice 26: tells me lots. And when I read

[2:51:26] Voice 26: the provincial government,

[2:51:28] Voice 26: government that was a provincial um it was it's i'm not good at that kind of reading these things

[2:51:40] Voice 26: but it had something to in the gist of it is what i got was that they're leaving it to the local

[2:51:47] Voice 26: governments to figure out how to carry out this communication between people yeah

[2:51:54] Voice 27: and

[2:51:55] Voice 26: so i think

[2:51:56] Voice 26: then then i think okay well this is how our governing body island stress is trying to carry

[2:52:03] Voice 26: it out but is there something that we need to be doing first before we carry it out like should is

[2:52:13] Voice 26: this just because okay now we see a spot here that doesn't work right okay so now what are we going

[2:52:19] Voice 26: to do right and well

[2:52:21] Voice 10: that's the perfect question i think

[2:52:22] Voice 26: yeah yeah

[2:52:24] Voice 10: no i think that question has to

[2:52:26] Voice 10: be asked of the nation through their process and then we'll ask them to reflect on that and i think

[2:52:31] Voice 10: you're the best advocate

[2:52:33] Voice 26: i'm i may have been able to come across here but i'm i'm not a great speaker

[2:52:39] Voice 26: right well

[2:52:40] Voice 10: you actually come right i think you need to express your story this

[2:52:45] Voice 26: is the best

[2:52:48] Voice 32: she can

[2:52:49] Voice 32: write it for you she's

[2:52:51] Voice 26: i i know sandra writes the letter and i edited

[2:52:57] Voice 26: and yes so between the two of us i think she's written a couple of very good letters

[2:53:03] Voice 26: yes and and expressed her concerns and i think uh what i i what i heard sandra say

[2:53:11] Voice 26: say, regardless of the bigger picture, because this is about, in my estimation, Sandra and

[2:53:17] Voice 26: this application, is that there's fairness on both sides.

[2:53:23] Voice 26: Yes.

[2:53:23] Voice 26: And so, yes, we can be fair to the First Nations, but we also have to be fair to a vexious complaint

[2:53:31] Voice 26: complaint about a shed that has been there for 20 years,

[2:53:39] Voice 17: 30

[2:53:41] Voice 26: years, and is sitting on

[2:53:45] Voice 26: posts on the ground.

[2:53:47] Voice 26: And so, you know, so yes, I really do feel that there's a fairness issue in this particular

[2:53:55] Voice 26: particular instance uh and i and i think that's where where it's at i can i've heard everything

[2:54:05] Voice 26: else and and i understand that uh but i also know from the documents the center has provided

[2:54:12] Voice 26: that the the trust committee does have a choice of whether or not they pass a variance without

[2:54:21] Voice 26: out consultation with the First Nations, and you say, well, you know, back up, we want to be as respectful as possible, then respect those in both directions. And I think in this case, it is a unique case, it is a vexatious complaint, and the landowner should be respected as well.

[2:54:45] Voice 5: I agree. I think the trustee should.

[2:54:48] Voice 5: I

[2:54:49] Voice 26: don't agree that the vexatiousness of the complaint has anything to do with the LTC's duty to refer an application to the First Nation when they've specifically asked for it.

[2:55:01] Voice 26: There is a context here and there's a history here and you are bearing that.

[2:55:06] Voice 26: And that's why I want to see if we can find some way to alleviate that.

[2:55:09] Voice 26: but that is not to be put on the first nation which is saying we want to see all again we want

[2:55:18] Voice 31: to

[2:55:18] Voice 26: see all development permits that's that's all they're saying and so we have to i don't see any

[2:55:25] Voice 26: other way that than to request you to to do that work and if you choose not to then you can't you

[2:55:32] Voice 26: know we'll go from there but i i can't approve issuance of the permit in the absence of ever

[2:55:38] Voice 26: a referral when they've specifically asked for it okay well um so

[2:55:47] Voice 10: staff have their hand up again but

[2:55:50] Voice 10: i just want to say that we have to make informed decisions and there's one piece of information

[2:55:53] Voice 10: that's missing for us right now which is why is it do you want this permit from the applicant

[2:55:59] Voice 10: and so if you make that application under the guise of not submitting the fee um then that

[2:56:10] Voice 10: provides opportunity for them to inform us

[2:56:12] Voice 10: why they need to bring it?

[2:56:13] Voice 26: I think not.

[2:56:15] Voice 26: I get that

[2:56:18] Voice 26: this example will

[2:56:20] Voice 26: help continue, right?

[2:56:21] Voice 26: So you'll see tidbits of information

[2:56:24] Voice 26: like tidbits.

[2:56:26] Voice 27: But

[2:56:26] Voice 26: it's not, I

[2:56:27] Voice 26: personally do not think it's going to give you

[2:56:30] Voice 26: the picture of what

[2:56:31] Voice 26: I mean, I've got to make

[2:56:33] Voice 26: assumptions that they're just trying to exercise

[2:56:35] Voice 26: in their rights and they're just

[2:56:38] Voice 26: kind of exercising over

[2:56:39] Voice 26: and they're going to find a place to be happy but I don't think my permit is going to give you

[2:56:48] Voice 26: enough information and I'm happy to write a letter to them and I'm happy to um to the best

[2:56:57] Voice 26: of my knowledge like I won't feel so done by wrong or something like that um and I'll feel

[2:57:06] Voice 26: like i'm contributing more than trying to stand and dig my feet in which i don't want to do right

[2:57:14] Voice 26: but then but then how else am i to do this right and so i'm happy to write a letter and if nancy

[2:57:22] Voice 26: did this nancy rowan by chance and um i mean i'm sure you would probably help me well of course

[2:57:31] Voice 26: yeah of course and

[2:57:32] Voice 10: yeah that's a good place to go and yeah to

[2:57:34] Voice 10: me like you're you're okay with that

[2:57:37] Voice 10: too

[2:57:38] Voice 26: oh absolutely yeah i think it's the

[2:57:40] Voice 26: fee i think you want to write the letter without

[2:57:43] Voice 26: having to pay another thousand dollars oh i won't to

[2:57:47] Voice 26: get looked at i won't i won't i don't even know

[2:57:49] Voice 26: let's cross that

[2:57:50] Voice 11: bridge but

[2:57:51] Voice 26: i know i won't i know that now i will do

[2:57:55] Voice 26: whatever i can not to do that

[2:57:57] Voice 27: right so

[2:57:58] Voice 26: the letter comes next yeah i'm happy to write the letter and what i would like is i would

[2:58:04] Voice 26: like this development variance permit passed and i will write the letter like it's not an and or i

[2:58:11] Voice 26: i will write the letter um not in a way

[2:58:16] Voice 26: that helps explain so they learn from this side

[2:58:25] Voice 26: and I'll

[2:58:26] Voice 26: definitely submit it

[2:58:28] Voice 26: I'm not sure how you'll come

[2:58:30] Voice 26: in to the picture at this point with

[2:58:32] Voice 26: that but

[2:58:33] Voice 26: you know submit it to your people

[2:58:37] Voice 26: before I send it

[2:58:38] Voice 26: and

[2:58:41] Voice 26: try and work that one

[2:58:43] Voice 26: right

[2:58:45] Voice 26: because I don't think it's about this woodshed

[2:58:47] Voice 26: I think

[2:58:50] Voice 26: never about a woodshed

[2:58:51] Voice 10: and the reason you're here at all is not about the woodshed

[2:58:55] Voice 10: And I'm sorry about that, too.

[2:58:58] Voice 10: But, you know, in your position, I just want to be clear, if that's okay, in your position

[2:59:03] Voice 10: that you say, well, we'll get it right the letter, but I want

[2:59:05] Voice 10: you to give me this permit.

[2:59:07] Voice 33: Well,

[2:59:07] Voice 10: I am inclined to say, is we're going to put this in advance until we receive it?

[2:59:13] Voice 10: And so that's our right to do that as well.

[2:59:15] Voice 26: Yes, of course.

[2:59:16] Voice 26: And

[2:59:16] Voice 10: you respect that.

[2:59:18] Voice 26: Yes, I do.

[2:59:19] Voice 26: I do.

[2:59:20] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:59:20] Voice 10: you know thank you yeah

[2:59:22] Voice 20: yeah so

[2:59:24] Voice 10: uh staff did you have anything else uh

[2:59:29] Voice 10: rbm general did you have anything to add to but maybe we've got to a place where we

[2:59:33] Voice 10: as they say in the movies agree to disagree sort of thing but well

[2:59:38] Voice 26: are we disagreeing

[2:59:39] Voice 10: no we're not

[2:59:40] Voice 10: yeah

[2:59:40] Voice 26: i don't think we are i think it sounds like more to me that we there's an understanding going

[2:59:46] Voice 26: going on both ways exactly I

[2:59:48] Voice 26: just need to I just need to move on with my shed piece

[2:59:52] Voice 3: absolutely not

[2:59:54] Voice 26: let it drag out for me okay so I have a question Chair Luckham um

[3:00:00] Voice 26: So this recommendation that we put it in advance, it sounds great.

[3:00:05] Voice 26: And request that the applicant submit a referral application.

[3:00:09] Voice 26: Now, Sandra Miller has offered to write a letter.

[3:00:12] Voice 26: That's not the same as a referral application.

[3:00:17] Voice 9: So.

[3:00:18] Voice 9: Well, that's fair enough, too.

[3:00:19] Voice 9: I think that that's fair.

[3:00:20] Voice 9: I think that that's fair, too, but that's not what the motion says.

[3:00:24] Voice 10: Well, we can make a motion and she can choose to take what action she wants.

[3:00:28] Voice 10: It's not like we're breaking a law here.

[3:00:31] Voice 26: well we're requesting and she can do what she needs

[3:00:33] Voice 10: yeah yeah and i think it would be easier

[3:00:39] Voice 10: for snanemo to read your letter pick it up and manage it in the context of an application

[3:00:46] Voice 10: but at the same time i think if i look at my staff and say somebody walks in the door

[3:00:50] Voice 10: or smith send you a letter you sometimes i'm not going to make an assumption about how they

[3:00:56] Voice 10: might conduct themselves but sometimes you look at something you go oh oh we really need that

[3:01:00] Voice 10: can you fill out the application in which case you'll just have to deal with that as you see fit

[3:01:06] Voice 11: i don't know i don't know i'm not prepared to make an assumption about how to process it but um

[3:01:13] Voice 26: this is the application wasn't required in 2023 june 2023 there was no app and

[3:01:21] Voice 10: that's when you

[3:01:22] Voice 10: made an application when

[3:01:23] Voice 26: i put it in everything was done up to 2023 and then this was sprung on

[3:01:30] Voice 26: me in 24. and that's i get it i get how that

[3:01:34] Voice 26: happens um but i just don't think it was right

[3:01:39] Voice 10: and i think that's a good observation you need to comment on that in your letter that you made

[3:01:44] Voice 10: the application prior to their necessity for that because it's in a you know it's an administrative

[3:01:49] Voice 10: fairness thing administrative fairness and so you know in a polite

[3:01:54] Voice 5: way you can make a remark about

[3:01:55] Voice 5: i

[3:01:56] Voice 27: think

[3:01:57] Voice 5: seeing knowledge from my staff

[3:02:01] Voice 10: so um how are we feeling do we want to make a motion

[3:02:07] Voice 10: do we want to have more discussion we need yeah

[3:02:10] Voice 26: we need to we

[3:02:11] Voice 10: need to move

[3:02:11] Voice 26: on um it's a widget

[3:02:16] Voice 26: so i have a second motion that i could make after that with regard to communications about

[3:02:21] Voice 26: our processes yeah yeah okay um so i will move that the gabriel island local trust committee

[3:02:29] Voice 26: hold the application gb dvp 2023.3 in advance until the ltc receives comment i'll actually

[3:02:37] Voice 26: pause here i would just say hold it in advance and request that the applicant submit a referral

[3:02:46] Voice 26: for our application to the Southern First Nation.

[3:02:49] Voice 26: Because we may not receive comment,

[3:02:52] Voice 26: they may be in conversation and they resolve it

[3:02:56] Voice 26: and the comment doesn't come back to us necessarily.

[3:02:59] Voice 26: If they say, actually, there's no need to review this,

[3:03:02] Voice 26: thank you for your letter.

[3:03:05] Voice 26: So making it a condition that we receive comments

[3:03:08] Voice 26: from the nation, I think we're just requesting

[3:03:12] Voice 26: that you take this step and then

[3:03:18] Voice 10: well yeah so you've heard the conversation and our suggestions and so um the trouble is we may

[3:03:26] Voice 10: not hear any comments anymore but it sounds like you're gonna write that yeah

[3:03:31] Voice 26: yeah well and you

[3:03:33] Voice 26: don't want the

[3:03:33] Voice 26: dvp to hang on any longer so it's you've said you want to take action this is the

[3:03:39] Voice 26: next step the next step then to be clear is i'm putting out the application that's what you're

[3:03:45] Voice 26: saying to fill in this application over we would be requesting

[3:03:50] Voice 26: you to and and do our letter and say

[3:03:52] Voice 26: this is this is the context um can there be any um grace on the fee uh there's not going to be any

[3:04:01] Voice 26: you know go through all that no well yeah i'll fill up i don't really want to fill out this

[3:04:09] Voice 26: application. But

[3:04:11] Voice 4: I will

[3:04:15] Voice 26: barely fill out this application so that they've got a name and a

[3:04:22] Voice 26: number on who this letter is coming from. And I repeat, I will tear this woodshed down before

[3:04:31] Voice 26: I take another thousand dollars out of it. And I feel really, really strongly about that

[3:04:38] Voice 26: because it's gone too far. I hear

[3:04:43] Voice 11: you.

[3:04:44] Voice 26: Yeah and I will not submit an environmental anything.

[3:04:51] Voice 26: I will tear it down. It's been done. Understood.

[3:04:57] Voice 26: Which would be a real shame. So are you going to

[3:04:59] Voice 5: conclude that?

[3:05:00] Voice 26: I'll conclude that. So again the motion that the Gabriel Island Local Trust

[3:05:04] Voice 26: committee hold the application gb dbp 2023.3 in advance and request that the applicant submit

[3:05:12] Voice 26: a referral application to this the name of your station moved

[3:05:16] Voice 11: i'm happy to second that

[3:05:18] Voice 10: thank

[3:05:19] Voice 18: you peter yeah and

[3:05:23] Voice 10: so is there any further discussion then i'm going to call for the vote

[3:05:28] Voice 11: So all those in favor, Ms. Anning first, all right.

[3:05:34] Voice 7: Do you want to?

[3:05:35] Voice 26: Not, not, we're not wildly opposed.

[3:05:37] Voice 26: And I so appreciate the modification.

[3:05:41] Voice 26: It's a very good one.

[3:05:44] Voice 26: So second motion, Chair.

[3:05:46] Voice 26: Oh, sorry.

[3:05:47] Voice 26: So can we get another modification there about,

[3:05:53] Voice 26: I think it's the one where it says

[3:05:57] Voice 26: that I would need an environment.

[3:05:58] Voice 26: like if i relocate the shed i'm not going to relocate the shed but i'm not going to get

[3:06:05] Voice 26: environmental anything well

[3:06:08] Voice 10: i don't think we're asking for that

[3:06:09] Voice 26: just send it in don't send him

[3:06:12] Voice 26: the b explain why yeah

[3:06:14] Voice 10: just tell them your story

[3:06:16] Voice 32: yes

[3:06:16] Voice 26: i realize that but in that if it does kind of

[3:06:20] Voice 26: where well no in the letter your letter if it comes to the point where i'm going to tear this

[3:06:28] Voice 26: shed down then i'm i don't want an environmental charge now to do that that was at the end where

[3:06:39] Voice 26: you had the three recommendations there's a line in there so um like because that's really that's

[3:06:49] Voice 26: putting me in a corner yeah that's lost me into this corner that i have no choices

[3:06:57] Voice 8: So, Planting Tomatoes, could you just comment on

[3:07:01] Voice 26: that just

[3:07:02] Voice 32: for clarity?

[3:07:03] Voice 26: Yeah, so because this shed is in, it was built well before riparian area protection regulations

[3:07:11] Voice 26: came into effect, but

[3:07:12] Voice 26: it is in a riparian setback to accrue much more

[3:07:16] Voice 26: efficiently, and

[3:07:18] Voice 26: one of the stipulations of that DPA is for removal, so ground disturbance and removal

[3:07:24] Voice 26: And that would trigger the need for a development permit, which would also require a qualified environmental professional assessment, according to the EPA guidelines.

[3:07:36] Voice 26: And it gets more complicated than that.

[3:07:39] Voice 26: How did the neighbor change the creek?

[3:07:43] Voice 26: Would I have been if that creek wouldn't have been altered?

[3:07:48] Voice 26: So if the creek wasn't altered, would I have been far enough away?

[3:07:52] Voice 26: way i can't remember how it was well

[3:07:56] Voice 33: there's satellite imagery that might tell the story but

[3:08:00] Voice 33: i'm sorry to hear more of the uh well

[3:08:04] Voice 26: i mean it was before riparian right like i don't mean to

[3:08:08] Voice 26: be rude to them like i don't want to i'm so pleased so pleased that she didn't send that

[3:08:14] Voice 26: a letter wasn't sent in to contest this like i just think okay there's encouragement from

[3:08:22] Voice 26: bring any release, something.

[3:08:23] Voice 26: Okay.

[3:08:25] Voice 10: So I think we're concluded on the business list

[3:08:29] Voice 10: and so we'll move along.

[3:08:31] Voice 10: So thank you for your presentation today.

[3:08:35] Voice 26: We have a second motion.

[3:08:36] Voice 3: Pardon?

[3:08:37] Voice 26: We have a second motion about communication.

[3:08:39] Voice 26: Yes, please.

[3:08:41] Voice 26: So I sent this to Planner Bob, but I changed the-

[3:08:45] Voice 26: I wanted

[3:08:45] Voice 33: to make sure that Renee's

[3:08:46] Voice 33: to this new motion with respect to communication.

[3:08:49] Voice 33: Okay.

[3:08:52] Voice 26: So I move that staff update and provide communications and guidance for the public

[3:08:59] Voice 26: in the Gabriel and local trust area around land use planning processes

[3:09:06] Voice 26: that require a referral or input from Snanamik First Nation.

[3:09:14] Voice 26: So before I second that, just a quick question.

[3:09:18] Voice 26: Would we rather make this motion after our next meeting with Snanamik First Nation

[3:09:24] Voice 26: when they might clarify a few things for us like would you rather just well staff have been having

[3:09:31] Voice 26: meetings about process and maybe renee can speak to that um we're not really in our leadership

[3:09:38] Voice 26: meetings we're not really talking about that we're talking about specific issues so staff

[3:09:44] Voice 26: i think are better positioned to give guidance on updating the processes for the public and

[3:09:52] Voice 26: new does that sound feasible or is that an extra project through

[3:09:59] Voice 30: the chair if i may yeah um that

[3:10:02] Voice 30: would be an additional formal project um what i can share right now uh through the chair is that

[3:10:09] Voice 30: there is some work happening um with staff to look at in a higher level referral processes

[3:10:20] Voice 30: processes across the island trust and that information is not ready yet so my my consideration

[3:10:27] Voice 30: to the LTC through the chair is that this information through this draft motion will

[3:10:34] Voice 30: take some time to prepare because it's not in a state that we would be able to share it with any

[3:10:41] Voice 30: any actions at this time it does require some more discussion at the the senior management level and

[3:10:48] Voice 30: and perhaps at another regional committee level.

[3:10:52] Voice 30: We're still sorting that piece out.

[3:10:56] Voice 30: Okay.

[3:10:57] Voice 30: So that could be an item to capture

[3:11:01] Voice 30: in a future project list.

[3:11:05] Voice 30: However, I think there is already action

[3:11:09] Voice 30: and discussion happening about processes,

[3:11:12] Voice 30: about the referral process with regards to

[3:11:19] Voice 30: how First Nation comments are integrated

[3:11:24] Voice 30: and looked at in our application processes.

[3:11:27] Voice 30: And there's some questions there

[3:11:29] Voice 30: that we still have to understand and discuss.

[3:11:34] Voice 26: So then once it rolled out too soon.

[3:11:39] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[3:11:40] Voice 10: I'm thinking to keep my conversation here.

[3:11:42] Voice 10: Yeah, thank you for the thoughtfulness.

[3:11:46] Voice 26: Yeah, but I just want to be clear

[3:11:49] Voice 26: that we are advising applicants of you know who are going through this process if we have new

[3:11:56] Voice 26: information that there needs to be a referral to the nation we are providing them with them with

[3:12:00] Voice 26: that up front oh yeah i think we are well is that

[3:12:04] Voice 26: happening renee through

[3:12:06] Voice 30: the chair yes there's been

[3:12:08] Voice 30: um there's been an action that uh to provide some wording on the website to um to indicate

[3:12:18] Voice 30: the First Nations that do have referral processes

[3:12:22] Voice 30: to help communicate that out with applicants. So we're just working

[3:12:26] Voice 30: on some wording to put that on the website so it's clear.

[3:12:29] Voice 26: I'll leave this and bring it back when we...

[3:12:32] Voice 26: That

[3:12:32] Voice 10: motion was not seconded, so that will just

[3:12:38] Voice 10: disappear. So then, if that's all right, then we'll continue

[3:12:42] Voice 10: into the next section of our agenda.

[3:12:43] Voice 10: I

[3:12:44] Voice 26: did want to thank Planner Tomaitis for being so helpful, doing this whole thing to me as well, not just to the applicant, and for such a very good report. It's a really good report. Thank you.

[3:13:02] Voice 10: Excellent. Okay.

[3:13:04] Voice 10: So, 9.1.

[3:13:09] Voice 10: Thank you.

[3:13:10] Voice 10: Thank you. Major project Gabrielle Island comprehensive commercial community plan, use

[3:13:15] Voice 10: file article 4, paper 199. Who's taking the lead on this one? Usually we see Nerissa Chadwick.

[3:13:24] Voice 10: There we are.

[3:13:26] Voice 26: There's Nerissa.

[3:13:27] Voice 10: Magic. Nerissa, thank you for joining us. Sorry for the fact that we're running a bit behind schedule here.

[3:13:34] Voice 10: uh no

[3:13:34] Voice 2: that's quite all right um yes so i'm hoping for a little bit of a conversation here

[3:13:43] Voice 2: potentially um because we are basically um ready like getting close to moving into the uh the

[3:13:54] Voice 2: second phase of the uh gabriola uh community plan review process so what i'm going to do for you is

[3:14:03] Voice 2: provide a little bit of a background of where we've been. And then what's anticipated in terms

[3:14:12] Voice 2: of the work program for staff moving forward. And I am very open to and looking forward to

[3:14:23] Voice 2: any input that you might have that could be integrated into the work plan. So if there are

[3:14:32] Voice 2: are things that you have questions about that are in this report, if there are things that

[3:14:39] Voice 2: additional things you'd like to see considered as we move forward, it would be very helpful to hear

[3:14:46] Voice 2: that as part of the discussion today. So the recommendations in terms of moving forward,

[3:14:57] Voice 2: we need to move into this next phase. So we'll need to develop a new project charter for phase

[3:15:04] Voice 2: two. And staff can also develop a work plan and revised engagement plan. I think we had

[3:15:13] Voice 2: quite some success with the last phase in terms of having a fairly tight focus around engagement

[3:15:20] Voice 2: and the rollout of that. And I also have to credit my colleague Morgana for assisting with

[3:15:27] Voice 2: the communications and being able to um and we hope to be able to roll out a similar um process

[3:15:36] Voice 2: um there's some questions that i have for the ltc with respect to how the the vision statement and

[3:15:45] Voice 2: who writes the draft vision statement um what we've done is we through phase one is we've we

[3:15:51] Voice 2: We have collected a lot of input from the community.

[3:15:54] Voice 2: We had 12 organizations and individuals organizing community-led engagement

[3:16:03] Voice 2: and received a lot of input from that and quite a variety too,

[3:16:08] Voice 2: everything from arts to environment focused to children

[3:16:13] Voice 2: and even some smaller neighborhood discussions.

[3:16:19] Voice 2: And we had a survey of 400 plus respondents, which is actually quite impressive for a community of your size.

[3:16:30] Voice 2: And the demographic represented was actually quite reflective of the island's population.

[3:16:39] Voice 2: So that was actually pretty good.

[3:16:41] Voice 2: And then we did a community meeting where we staff provided a summary of everything that we've heard, identified the key, what is the word I'm looking for? Values, key values and the related goals.

[3:17:04] Voice 2: And we had a conversation about gaps. So that was also very interesting because there were some gaps that were identified that we were able to add to the list of values and goals.

[3:17:16] Voice 2: And these are the things that are going to help to, well, that will help to inform the goals and objectives that will ultimately be in the OCP.

[3:17:27] Voice 2: And there is some process to getting to actually clearly identifying what those are.

[3:17:37] Voice 2: So in terms of what's next, wrapping up the visioning process involves creating a what we heard document, basically.

[3:17:49] Voice 2: So we're working on a document that basically says, here's what we did and here's what we heard.

[3:17:56] Voice 2: and like I said we've got some very good input to add to that and it's a way of

[3:18:05] Voice 2: just basically documenting that process and I also would like to thank the

[3:18:13] Voice 2: Gabriola community and the LTC for engaging that process because we've never done anything

[3:18:20] Voice 2: like that so we've learned a lot from it and it's hopefully it could be something that other

[3:18:26] Voice 2: LTCs could learn from if they want to do a similar thing. The other thing that the

[3:18:32] Voice 2: next step from there now we've got all this information around vision and we've

[3:18:37] Voice 2: talked about vision a lot in community so the next step is to actually write

[3:18:41] Voice 2: that vision statement so we've got we've got you know we got pictures of the

[3:18:46] Voice 2: vision um but you know such things don't translate and that easily and I mean we

[3:18:53] Voice 2: We can put pictures in the OCP, but really we need words.

[3:18:57] Voice 2: So that's why one of my recommendations is that the LTC request the Advisory Planning Commission to draft the first vision statement, which, like I said, whatever the draft is, it won't be the final.

[3:19:16] Voice 2: um i mean an alternative that to that is just have staff um draft that vision state and based

[3:19:23] Voice 2: on everything that we brought together that's and and i'm also looking to the ltc if you have other

[3:19:28] Voice 2: ideas about how to move forward with that um in terms of next steps for the project uh

[3:19:37] Voice 2: other work that's going to be done moving forward and uh into the summertime um that will end

[3:19:45] Voice 2: beginning now. We've got the initiation of the project and a big portion of that we were able

[3:19:54] Voice 2: to get funding for the water balance assessment and that work is moving forward. We're going to

[3:20:01] Voice 2: be putting out an RF piece as soon as possible that's being developed right now by Willem

[3:20:07] Voice 2: Shoba our freshwater senior freshwater um specialist so that's exciting um and and then

[3:20:16] Voice 2: we are um we're excited to have a co-op student join us this summer um who happens to be from

[3:20:23] Voice 2: Gabriela which is really fortunate and wasn't chosen because she was from Gabriela but she just

[3:20:30] Voice 2: rose to the top of uh of the invite of the interview I

[3:20:34] Voice 26: just found out who it was congratulations

[3:20:36] Voice 26: because she reached out and wanted to to help um develop this process and i was like okay come back

[3:20:42] Voice 26: and let's talk and then she just told me that she's the co-op planning student so presumably

[3:20:47] Voice 10: we're not speaking out of turn sorry

[3:20:49] Voice 2: no i made sure

[3:20:50] Voice 2: so i knew this and i wanted to tell you last

[3:20:53] Voice 2: week but i couldn't um so i had to make sure that i could actually uh i could actually uh say it in

[3:20:59] Voice 2: public thank you so you

[3:21:03] Voice 4: can say your name joanne

[3:21:06] Voice 2: joanne window yes yeah

[3:21:10] Voice 15: awesome very good excellent

[3:21:12] Voice 4: congratulations yeah

[3:21:13] Voice 2: it's so

[3:21:14] Voice 2: great yeah and so i'm excited because um part of joanne's well she's

[3:21:20] Voice 2: she's being hired to support the regional planning team and the major you know the the two major

[3:21:27] Voice 2: Two of the three major projects are the ones that I'm working on that we'll be able to use her time with, and one is the Gabriela OCP.

[3:21:41] Voice 2: So there'll be work that Joanne will be helping with that.

[3:21:44] Voice 2: So one of the things that we're going to be doing through the summer is creating a baseline report, and that includes things like build-out.

[3:21:51] Voice 2: but I know that there have been some questions around build-out mapping.

[3:21:57] Voice 2: And it's really about gathering together all of the technical information that we know

[3:22:03] Voice 2: so that there's a baseline that we can potentially compare.

[3:22:08] Voice 2: You know, we're thinking about 2050.

[3:22:10] Voice 2: So maybe in 2050, we can look back at the baseline report, see how far we've gone.

[3:22:15] Voice 2: So that's going to be a, that's going to also provide some information to inform some of the goals and objectives of the OCP.

[3:22:27] Voice 33: I'm glad to hear that you're going to be looking at that in 2015.

[3:22:32] Voice 2: Well, you know, we could look back, right? Interestingly enough, some of us can be. Hopefully, yeah, that's right.

[3:22:42] Voice 2: You got it now.

[3:22:47] Voice 33: we lost your voice there you're muted

[3:22:50] Voice 2: marissa or else that's all

[3:22:53] Voice 18: people are down oh yeah sorry

[3:22:54] Voice 2: sorry yeah my um my i i leaned on my that was our fault

[3:22:59] Voice 2: i'm back right i'm back yes yeah yes okay

[3:23:02] Voice 2: so baseline report and interestingly enough i think i think there was a baseline report that

[3:23:06] Voice 2: was done in in i think it was 2012 so uh um we we we uh we do have something to compare

[3:23:14] Voice 2: it the one that we'll be doing too um the other piece of this is we've got the suitable uh suitable

[3:23:21] Voice 2: land analysis uh that we which is provides an opportunity basically to bring together all the

[3:23:29] Voice 2: information that we have all the data that we have related to environmental protection

[3:23:35] Voice 2: we've got some data related to fire protection we've got steep slopes and we've got recharge

[3:23:46] Voice 2: groundwater recharge data and a few other data sets that we bring together into a single map

[3:23:52] Voice 2: so that you can see how they all overlap and it provides an opportunity to see

[3:23:58] Voice 2: where the better places for development are so where the places where it looks like it would

[3:24:03] Voice 2: be really not a good idea for a variety of reasons and where it might be better and there's

[3:24:08] Voice 2: an opportunity there to make some um um trade-offs um and it's just it's a it's a great way to bring

[3:24:17] Voice 2: that data together so gabriel is the first we've got suitable land analysis is um prioritized for

[3:24:25] Voice 2: denman and gabriela and we've had we would have hoped to have had the information earlier than

[3:24:31] Voice 2: we do now but we did have some staffing um we did have a staff member leave us um and and uh over

[3:24:37] Voice 2: the course of the last year so um we do anticipate being able to fill that gap um soon even even if

[3:24:47] Voice 2: it's temporary so um hopefully we'll have something by june but um uh to be up i'll

[3:24:54] Voice 2: provide you with updates consistently with respect to where that is um and and then we move into

[3:25:03] Voice 2: to looking so so another piece of this is looking at the ocp priorities which which would be the

[3:25:08] Voice 2: the piece that would involve um community and so uh staff need to take a bit of time just to think

[3:25:17] Voice 2: through the rollout of phase two so that's where it will be important for us to first develop the

[3:25:25] Voice 2: project charter and then um develop a work plan um that appear you know that'll be reasonable so

[3:25:31] Voice 2: so that the community can anticipate where we're going.

[3:25:34] Voice 2: So that's sort of the, that's my overview.

[3:25:37] Voice 2: Totally open to questions at this point from the trustees.

[3:25:43] Voice 8: Okay, trustees.

[3:25:44] Voice 15: I have a question and I'm doing this too.

[3:25:49] Voice 26: Oh, thank

[3:25:50] Voice 15: you so much,

[3:25:51] Voice 26: Nerissa, that's super helpful.

[3:25:55] Voice 26: With the recommendations provided in the staff report,

[3:25:58] Voice 26: I certainly agree with recommendation number one,

[3:26:01] Voice 26: But I actually don't agree with recommendation number two.

[3:26:05] Voice 26: And interestingly, one of our past trustees, Deborah Ferens, is in the audience today.

[3:26:11] Voice 26: And she presented a letter to us earlier, which actually, well, no surprise because we do share a brain sometimes.

[3:26:18] Voice 26: times but it actually sort of elucidated my concern as I actually think that our community

[3:26:26] Voice 26: is ready and anxious and waiting to see some concrete wording at this stage right now so I

[3:26:34] Voice 26: don't agree with asking the APC to go ahead and do that work in recommendation number two. I think

[3:26:41] Voice 26: it's ready to go out to the community if staff is able to write it up we will look at it as well of

[3:26:49] Voice 26: course i think we're ready okay yeah i mean that that's what i've heard from people are saying well

[3:26:56] Voice 26: when are we going to get on with it when are we going to get on with it and um yeah so and i would

[3:27:03] Voice 26: to agree with that okay i

[3:27:11] Voice 26: need to ponder a little bit um maybe you could do that too i yeah i don't

[3:27:17] Voice 26: know so is the rationale for uh referring it to the apc because staff don't have capacity or don't

[3:27:26] Voice 26: feel um ready to do that work or need more community input sort of if you can expand a

[3:27:32] Voice 26: little bit on your recommendation there i think that yeah

[3:27:36] Voice 2: the rationale in this case is um

[3:27:38] Voice 2: Um, um, one, it provides an opportunity for the APC to get involved, um, now in, in, in

[3:27:44] Voice 2: the process.

[3:27:45] Voice 2: And two, it's, it's really put, I put it out there as a, like, so that it could be, so

[3:27:51] Voice 2: that, that it would, it could be something that could be determined by the LTC.

[3:27:57] Voice 2: Um, I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't sure if you, uh, wanted to staff to just go ahead

[3:28:02] Voice 2: and draft something for discussion, or if you wanted community members to be involved

[3:28:07] Voice 2: in that process.

[3:28:10] Voice 26: yeah well if staff goes ahead and draft something according to what we already have in front of us

[3:28:16] Voice 26: and then of course the apc will get it the habc will get it we'll get it and why can't it just

[3:28:24] Voice 26: go out to the community at that point unless it you know results in a melee of i don't know

[3:28:30] Voice 2: yeah i mean it's in these kind of cases it's a it's a matter of just getting some words on paper

[3:28:35] Voice 2: and the words on paper that we start off with may not be the words on paper that we end up with

[3:28:39] Voice 2: so it's just you know who takes that that first step and it I mean it certainly can be staff

[3:28:45] Voice 2: I just uh I just put it out there just to to have some conversation about I

[3:28:49] Voice 26: would like to see our

[3:28:50] Voice 26: APC look at

[3:28:52] Voice 26: it after it's ready to go out to the public I'd love to get their comments I'd love to

[3:28:57] Voice 26: get the HAPC's comments but

[3:28:59] Voice 9: I think our

[3:29:00] Voice 26: community is ready to look at something so can I ask a

[3:29:05] Voice 26: a question um i

[3:29:09] Voice 10: agree with what is said let's get this out in front of the community but i think

[3:29:14] Voice 10: there's potentially real ownership to be had by the apc doing that initial time and then

[3:29:21] Voice 10: out it goes um because what you really invested in here is engaging with the community and getting

[3:29:29] Voice 10: the community to do all the research and if the if the potential exists for them to craft that

[3:29:34] Voice 10: what as you said what we already know then that's really coming from a much more grassroots level

[3:29:40] Voice 10: from us but that's just my

[3:29:44] Voice 18: thinking so i'm just asking

[3:29:46] Voice 10: you to reflect on that

[3:29:47] Voice 18: the

[3:29:47] Voice 10: opportunity that is available to you and how you decide to move

[3:29:52] Voice 11: this forward it's

[3:29:53] Voice 26: it's a

[3:29:54] Voice 26: it's challenging because there's there's a lot of stuff there and i think this

[3:30:00] Voice 26: kind of the crafting of it might be too much for a group project it's asking a lot it's actually

[3:30:09] Voice 26: it's it's there's that you know there's aspects that is captured in your reports actually um

[3:30:18] Voice 26: there is a about climate change and prestations reconciliation and that whole thing that

[3:30:24] Voice 26: um if we have a draft that they can then look at and some background materials

[3:30:33] Voice 26: as to where it's coming from it might be more helpful um but i'm interested also in a parallel

[3:30:43] Voice 26: process of learning from what their vision is for the uh island and and how these two

[3:30:51] Voice 26: two can be complementary processes.

[3:30:54] Voice 26: So I wanted, before we make a decision,

[3:30:58] Voice 26: I'd like to talk a little bit about our approach

[3:31:01] Voice 26: to engaging with Sonamook.

[3:31:04] Voice 26: And I know we laid it out here,

[3:31:06] Voice 26: but I don't think we can develop a vision for our OCP

[3:31:10] Voice 26: without that in place.

[3:31:14] Voice 26: And then we have a very different vision,

[3:31:16] Voice 26: and there may be two complementary visions, you know,

[3:31:20] Voice 26: that are expressed for ocp that are different people like two-eyed seeing is to you know two

[3:31:27] Voice 26: ways of seeing the world um you'd like to have these two visions um expressed in the same

[3:31:36] Voice 26: document i don't know if that's possible but i want to make sure we slow the process down a

[3:31:42] Voice 26: little bit but not get bogged down in referring to community and then everybody has to i don't know

[3:31:49] Voice 26: So I'm kind of of two minds here.

[3:32:00] Voice 10: Maybe let's bounce back to the rest of the finished reporting out.

[3:32:04] Voice 10: And then you're looking for some decision based around the recommendations that you have

[3:32:11] Voice 11: in our report.

[3:32:12] Voice 11: Is that correct?

[3:32:13] Voice 26: Yeah.

[3:32:14] Voice 26: How

[3:32:14] Voice 11: we implement it is up to us.

[3:32:17] Voice 26: So at this point, we can probably move recommendation number one.

[3:32:21] Voice 26: Yeah.

[3:32:22] Voice 26: Yeah,

[3:32:22] Voice 10: so do you have more to offer, though, with closure on your report to kick it back to us?

[3:32:29] Voice 10: Yeah,

[3:32:30] Voice 2: I mean, I think, you know, moving forward with recommendation number one, that'll provide an opportunity to kind of get like sort of dig in a little bit more on the details of process because we're not quite there yet.

[3:32:45] Voice 2: It's not it's not sort of fully fleshed.

[3:32:49] Voice 2: And so that's the opportunity there.

[3:32:52] Voice 2: So I would say let's like I'll leave you with recommendation one and then maybe we can discuss recommendation two and get into the details there a little bit more.

[3:33:00] Voice 2: Okay.

[3:33:00] Voice 26: Okay, so I'm prepared to move.

[3:33:02] Voice 26: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop a project charter work plan and revised engagement plan for phase two of the Gabriel Island official community plan and land use by-law review project.

[3:33:17] Voice 26: second second

[3:33:19] Voice 10: um any discussion we should speak to further no

[3:33:24] Voice 26: yes so when we're talking about a

[3:33:32] Voice 26: revised engagement plan um can you bring back some options to discuss with the apc about how we're

[3:33:42] Voice 26: going to to engage with the community um not that they would necessarily direct the process but i

[3:33:50] Voice 26: definitely want to have some input from the apc um and maybe the hapc uh and then i really want

[3:33:59] Voice 26: to see an engagement plan that embeds um equitable diverse uh inclusive participatory

[3:34:09] Voice 26: framework. And I have confidence in you and staff to do that. I just want to put that out there that

[3:34:14] Voice 26: we make sure that we capture not just the voices that are at the ready and have been thinking about

[3:34:22] Voice 26: this for a long time, but newcomers and those from, you know, non-dominant or underrepresented

[3:34:32] Voice 26: people groups so I really want some thought to go into that and hopefully our our planning

[3:34:40] Voice 26: co-op student might be able to support some of the work I'm so glad we've got sorry okay that's

[3:34:47] Voice 2: that's my only

[3:34:47] Voice 26: caveats for that thanks

[3:34:49] Voice 2: yeah so what I'm hearing is to provide some options

[3:34:55] Voice 2: one of the options would be

[3:34:59] Voice 2: or maybe to provide some options for the APC to consider

[3:35:04] Voice 2: when I come back to you.

[3:35:07] Voice 10: So are we looking at an amendment to the motion or is that going to be embraced

[3:35:12] Voice 10: in the motion? What would you like from us?

[3:35:15] Voice 10: For

[3:35:15] Voice 26: recommendation number one?

[3:35:19] Voice 2: Yeah, I think that's fine. I've got

[3:35:22] Voice 2: my direction and I'll just make notes accordingly.

[3:35:26] Voice 2: Thanks. Okay,

[3:35:28] Voice 10: just want to be

[3:35:28] Voice 33: certain that we're providing you the direction. Yep,

[3:35:31] Voice 2: that's good. So on that note, is there anything else that you would like to see, like items that you want to discuss in terms of the process with respect to the development of, of essentially what we're talking about at this at this stage in the process is the development of identification of the priorities.

[3:35:51] Voice 2: those have essentially been identified through the visioning process but this is about identifying

[3:35:55] Voice 2: the goals and the uh objectives um and like again the areas of specific focus so um again you know

[3:36:05] Voice 2: i can come back with it we're planning if there's any if there are any questions in your mind that

[3:36:09] Voice 2: you'd like to be answered um in that next report um please let me know be helpful to know now i

[3:36:16] Voice 2: I mean, you can also let me know at any point in time.

[3:36:18] Voice 2: So do we need to

[3:36:20] Voice 10: advance the

[3:36:21] Voice 26: motion at this point?

[3:36:22] Voice 26: We're still in discussion on the motion,

[3:36:25] Voice 26: which would be engaged with the plan and the work plan.

[3:36:28] Voice 26: So we're just giving items for consideration.

[3:36:31] Voice 26: The thought that I had just to be that it might be helpful to get a list of

[3:36:36] Voice 26: dates for community events and try to partner with organizers to be at those

[3:36:45] Voice 26: events and so um meeting the community where we're at or where people are already gathering

[3:36:51] Voice 26: uh i think could be helpful that's that was my only thought with the engagement yeah and then

[3:37:00] Voice 26: topic areas we've gone through that i think there's a lot of yeah there's a lot

[3:37:11] Voice 26: so narinza um yeah topic areas there's been some really good ones suggested to us

[3:37:16] Voice 26: i'm sure you won't miss them i know that my own personal you know real concern is development

[3:37:24] Voice 26: permit areas that need to be added and updated yeah i just

[3:37:30] Voice 2: want to make sure

[3:37:31] Voice 26: that those get in

[3:37:32] Voice 26: in there.

[3:37:33] Voice 2: Yeah and I think and what I've heard from you from both of you is that you've been

[3:37:38] Voice 2: collecting information from individuals and groups for quite some time with respect to the OCP so

[3:37:45] Voice 2: there may be one of the parts of this process may be to have just a little bit of a conversation

[3:37:53] Voice 2: workshop around the information that that you have so that we can make sure that that's

[3:38:00] Voice 2: captured in the list of potential uh topics that would be great yeah

[3:38:07] Voice 26: okay yeah well i think that's it for me for the work time are

[3:38:14] Voice 7: we ready to go

[3:38:15] Voice 26: awesome um

[3:38:19] Voice 10: what further direction would you like to invite respect item number two

[3:38:23] Voice 10: um yeah

[3:38:25] Voice 2: so i'm just just sort of like like listening to you all and um and just you know

[3:38:30] Voice 2: trying to think about um an option to put forward um and what i'm hearing is that it uh i mean

[3:38:39] Voice 2: again it there's there's sort of two things to think about um i totally i totally understand

[3:38:45] Voice 2: and respect the statement you made um uh trustee elliott about uh you know trying to

[3:38:52] Voice 2: this may be too difficult for a group to do um so it's it and this is something that can be

[3:39:00] Voice 2: be you know we it can be worked on through the process so it's just sort of getting those initial

[3:39:04] Voice 2: words down so that the question still remains and you know this this idea of having two visions one

[3:39:11] Voice 2: that related to first nations one related to community that i mean that's also something we

[3:39:16] Voice 2: can kind of explore as we move forward and discuss with the the nation as well um but for the time

[3:39:23] Voice 2: being i guess what i need is just some direction on um do you want me to write do you want staff

[3:39:29] Voice 2: to write some initial words based on our our review of all of the um materials that we've

[3:39:36] Voice 2: received so far to begin with or um you know again kind of reflecting peter's point there um

[3:39:43] Voice 2: is there um you know is there some support for that idea of um of of community members taking

[3:39:51] Voice 2: that first step again with both you know what what's written down on paper now won't necessarily

[3:39:57] Voice 2: be what what we have at the end of this process as people um have time to go through and and think

[3:40:04] Voice 2: think through and you know sure there'll be a lot of wordsmithing and such as we as we go through

[3:40:09] Voice 2: but we don't have to spend a lot of time on on making it perfect at this point in time

[3:40:16] Voice 26: my preference is still to have the abc look at it for sure it's a super important voice there

[3:40:25] Voice 26: um after we have something for them to look at it kind of feels like the policy statement draft

[3:40:33] Voice 26: like you you can't have community members looking at sort of word soup but that is not

[3:40:41] Voice 26: been at least given some kind of shape you know they have to have a draft to look at

[3:40:46] Voice 26: um so i am supportive of the apc looking at it absolutely um but with a backgrounder of how do

[3:40:53] Voice 26: we get to this and i'd be happy to workshop that with you i love working with words and if if we

[3:40:59] Voice 26: wanted to do sort of a an hour session with some i don't know if that's possible but i'd be happy

[3:41:06] Voice 26: to be in on that with you nor i said just so you're not alone trying to trying to craft something

[3:41:13] Voice 26: um but just understanding it would be in draft form and uh i i see maybe two pages of a bunch

[3:41:22] Voice 26: of different statements and maybe the weighting of where they where they showed up in the surveys and

[3:41:27] Voice 26: from respondents and then but i think the critical piece to bring in is is often what we're not

[3:41:34] Voice 26: what isn't emphasized so heavily in community discussions and that is um it's the critical

[3:41:42] Voice 26: wording is going to be around climate change and the the lens of first nation reconciliation

[3:41:46] Voice 26: reconciliation and that I think we need to to just write honestly it has to be done correctly

[3:41:53] Voice 26: and according to where we're going and in line with legislation and there's you know the

[3:41:59] Voice 26: declaration act to guide that there's lots of other pieces to guide that so I don't think that

[3:42:04] Voice 26: part is difficult and then all those other community values are already identified so

[3:42:09] Voice 26: I think this is a process that we could potentially work on together if you're comfortable or not

[3:42:15] Voice 26: and then give a draft to the APC.

[3:42:21] Voice 2: So what I'm hearing from you, Chair Elliott, that in that case...

[3:42:26] Voice 2: That's

[3:42:26] Voice 26: Christine, not Chair.

[3:42:27] Voice 2: Oh, yeah, sorry. That's right. We're not on Maine.

[3:42:31] Voice 2: We're not on Maine Island.

[3:42:32] Voice 26: What?

[3:42:33] Voice 26: She called me Chair.

[3:42:34] Voice 2: Maine Island.

[3:42:35] Voice 10: Oh, I see. Okay. Well, that's okay.

[3:42:38] Voice 2: I

[3:42:38] Voice 10: wouldn't even notice that if you had me done.

[3:42:41] Voice 10: But I'm going to interject now that I'm talking

[3:42:43] Voice 10: because i want to understand how we're going to as you had mentioned earlier toby how are we going

[3:42:49] Voice 10: to weave in the first nations vision into that yeah statement that is now potentially coming

[3:42:55] Voice 10: from this government i

[3:42:56] Voice 26: don't see them being woven in we need to have a gabriel ocp statement our

[3:43:02] Voice 26: community ocp vision um but it would be amazing if we could also as we're working together with

[3:43:11] Voice 26: what is your vision because they're doing it their own community master planning right now

[3:43:17] Voice 26: your vision for gabriella island and it's a complementary piece that informs you know it's

[3:43:24] Voice 26: it's the collective vision together so i see this as a potential for exercising two-eyed seeing

[3:43:30] Voice 26: western and indigenous perspectives where you look at the land land through two different lenses

[3:43:36] Voice 26: it um i wouldn't want to blend or try to combine them um and this is leading to i have this whole

[3:43:44] Voice 26: other plan to to to um seek you're

[3:43:48] Voice 5: going to let us in eventually well

[3:43:50] Voice 26: i've told you many times

[3:43:51] Voice 26: in september before trust council i i would i would love to organize a feast in which coast

[3:43:57] Voice 26: salish leaders hosted by the name of first nation share their vision for governance in the trust

[3:44:02] Voice 26: area yeah we'll have it here on gabriel island so that's a that's a whole big thing we're working

[3:44:09] Voice 26: on but we'll

[3:44:10] Voice 33: blend that in with the sail trees yes

[3:44:13] Voice 26: feasting everywhere at least

[3:44:15] Voice 26: we only have

[3:44:16] Voice 26: but

[3:44:16] Voice 10: the

[3:44:18] Voice 26: two visions i think are distinct uh there isn't a blending but we're working in parallel

[3:44:24] Voice 26: to learn their vision for gabriel island and i think that's an important part for the official

[3:44:29] Voice 26: community plan to to have that embedded perhaps um

[3:44:34] Voice 33: yeah it's

[3:44:35] Voice 33: a beautiful idea

[3:44:36] Voice 33: okay

[3:44:37] Voice 26: uh

[3:44:41] Voice 33: where are we going um

[3:44:43] Voice 2: well again so what so what i'm hearing is uh some words written down

[3:44:50] Voice 2: for review by the apc would be a good thing yes and the other thing that i heard is that trustee

[3:44:56] Voice 2: Elliott is willing to work with staff to craft that so I think your resolution would be that

[3:45:05] Voice 2: the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request Trustee Elliott to work with staff

[3:45:12] Voice 2: or no staff to work with Trustee Elliott to

[3:45:16] Voice 26: are both

[3:45:17] Voice 2: trustees for

[3:45:19] Voice 26: sure

[3:45:19] Voice 2: okay that's even better

[3:45:22] Voice 26: to work with

[3:45:23] Voice 2: the yeah to work with the local trustees to revise the official community plan

[3:45:29] Voice 2: vision statement based on feedback gathered or to draft

[3:45:32] Voice 26: an updated official community plan

[3:45:35] Voice 26: yeah

[3:45:36] Voice 4: i

[3:45:37] Voice 26: like that so

[3:45:38] Voice 4: let's make that motion right

[3:45:39] Voice 26: okay so we will to see so that the gabrielle

[3:45:44] Voice 26: island local trust committee requests staff to work with local trustees to develop a project

[3:45:52] Voice 26: charter work plan and revised engagement plan for phase two no we're not even on that oh we've

[3:45:58] Voice 26: already voted on that we yeah

[3:46:00] Voice 8: yeah oh

[3:46:01] Voice 26: i thought we had to admit that no no we're on two oh we're

[3:46:04] Voice 26: on two okay that's the one that's so i'll let me take this one so we just made it towards me

[3:46:09] Voice 26: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff to work with the local trustees on drafting a new updated vision statement.

[3:46:21] Voice 32: Can't we just use the language that's there?

[3:46:23] Voice 26: Which one? Vision statement?

[3:46:25] Voice 32: It's number two.

[3:46:26] Voice 26: Yeah.

[3:46:27] Voice 26: Yeah. To revive the official community plan vision statement based on the feedback gathered from the Gabriela Vision 8 2050 process.

[3:46:35] Voice 26: We don't have to debit.

[3:46:37] Voice 26: I don't want to put that data in.

[3:46:39] Voice 2: We could

[3:46:39] Voice 2: do it earlier.

[3:46:39] Voice 2: Yeah, you

[3:46:40] Voice 2: don't need to put the date in.

[3:46:43] Voice 2: Put a

[3:46:44] Voice 6: period in the end.

[3:46:45] Voice 26: Period.

[3:46:46] Voice 26: Period.

[3:46:47] Voice 26: And then that will be followed by a referral to the APC.

[3:46:50] Voice 26: But you don't have to have it in the motions.

[3:46:52] Voice 10: All right.

[3:46:52] Voice 10: Very good.

[3:46:53] Voice 10: Moved.

[3:46:53] Voice 10: Second.

[3:46:55] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[3:46:56] Voice 10: No.

[3:46:57] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[3:46:58] Voice 10: Aye.

[3:46:58] Voice 10: Awesome.

[3:46:59] Voice 10: Moving forward.

[3:47:00] Voice 15: Well done, trustees.

[3:47:04] Voice 2: So just one through the chair.

[3:47:06] Voice 2: Yes.

[3:47:07] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:47:08] Voice 2: Yeah, so we will work to identify a date that could work for that discussion.

[3:47:15] Voice 2: Thanks.

[3:47:16] Voice 4: So I just figured out what that phrase means.

[3:47:18] Voice 4: Through the chair.

[3:47:19] Voice 4: Pay attention.

[3:47:21] Voice 26: Hello!

[3:47:22] Voice 26: It's like you're on a main island.

[3:47:24] Voice 10: The buzzer alert.

[3:47:25] Voice 10: Okay, so we good here?

[3:47:28] Voice 10: Is there any further work on this report?

[3:47:30] Voice 26: It's

[3:47:30] Voice 10: a fabulous report.

[3:47:31] Voice 26: It is a fabulous report.

[3:47:32] Voice 26: Thank you, Nerissa.

[3:47:34] Voice 26: It's just so nicely laid out.

[3:47:36] Voice 26: Super easy to follow.

[3:47:38] Voice 26: And we're going to continue work on getting Sineamuk engagement with,

[3:47:43] Voice 26: are we potentially hiring an engagement coordinator? That's still not.

[3:47:49] Voice 2: Well, we're not quite there yet because I think what we were wanting to do is to,

[3:47:53] Voice 2: to see what the, what would work for the Sineamuk,

[3:47:59] Voice 2: what would work for the nation.

[3:48:02] Voice 2: And so as we develop our relationship and we move forward,

[3:48:05] Voice 2: we'll get a better sense of that.

[3:48:07] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:48:10] Voice 10: all right so we're going to move on thanks

[3:48:12] Voice 30: narissa thank

[3:48:13] Voice 10: you very much narissa so we have

[3:48:16] Voice 10: four pieces of correspondence here next um of course we would normally just receive those

[3:48:22] Voice 10: information lists of some action you'd like to take i'm going to uh simply acknowledge them

[3:48:28] Voice 10: and ask you if you want to take any actions accordingly but uh we have a letter from

[3:48:33] Voice 10: Moe Zeek regarding the Bill of Lines concept on the green,

[3:48:39] Voice 10: Bradley regarding the land use

[3:48:41] Voice 10: and private campgrounds, a letter from the Minister of Housing regarding

[3:48:46] Voice 10: opting into Bill 35, and then finally a letter from

[3:48:50] Voice 10: Hugh Skinner regarding a new

[3:48:53] Voice 10: development permit area.

[3:48:55] Voice 26: Is there any action you'd like to

[3:48:57] Voice 10: take for any of these?

[3:48:59] Voice 26: Yes, I think we need to look at them just

[3:49:01] Voice 26: a little bit more carefully the first one i would like to fold for action or i've already

[3:49:06] Voice 26: taken action actually so

[3:49:07] Voice 8: what would you like to do which

[3:49:08] Voice 26: one is that so the mosaic ladder 10.1

[3:49:11] Voice 26: yeah um so this uh question come to us a year ago and i thought clear and got clarity from

[3:49:21] Voice 26: david marler um there is this is because our fees bylaw was updated and there appears to be

[3:49:30] Voice 26: no flexibility on the referral uh fee to another government agency and i think this was an omission

[3:49:37] Voice 26: when the original beef bylaw was drafted um to you know just handle a referral to just send the

[3:49:47] Voice 26: information out to bc liquor board and charge 500 for it seems ridiculous so i've got this on the

[3:49:55] Voice 26: agenda for ec to look at at our next meeting i believe david was supposed

[3:50:02] Voice 26: to he was supposed

[3:50:03] Voice 26: to provide some an update uh and maybe some options because we may need to amend the fees bylaw

[3:50:10] Voice 26: um for cases like this and what do we do with this one in the meanwhile it's i think it's too short

[3:50:16] Voice 26: short notice but um no option yeah there's an option because they also have to do a land title

[3:50:25] Voice 26: search every year every year that they do this for two

[3:50:28] Voice 26: hundred dollars yes yeah so seven hundred

[3:50:31] Voice 26: dollars just to give back to the just to expand the one day permit for a liquor license it's just

[3:50:38] Voice 26: a fee remember a fee for the liquor license control board i don't know why we're collecting

[3:50:44] Voice 26: the money i don't either because it's not yeah well there

[3:50:50] Voice 10: are there are fees associated with

[3:50:52] Voice 10: doing a land title yeah that we have to pay well

[3:50:55] Voice 26: no they pay that they pay an extra two hundred

[3:50:58] Voice 26: dollars to do a land title certificate yes which

[3:51:01] Voice 26: is yeah that's whatever but but this five hundred

[3:51:04] Voice 26: dollars is like why are we collecting that

[3:51:06] Voice 10: so this is contingent on some advice from

[3:51:10] Voice 10: david at ec yeah so

[3:51:12] Voice 10: we're just receiving information

[3:51:13] Voice 26: yeah thank you toby for following

[3:51:16] Voice 26: through with that and ec so

[3:51:18] Voice 10: which other item would you like to talk about i

[3:51:21] Voice 26: think we just need to

[3:51:22] Voice 26: address all of them very briefly okay so the letter from donald bradley this appears to be

[3:51:28] Voice 26: a bylaw enforcement issue so i think um our planner bell has already forwarded it i've

[3:51:34] Voice 21: I've reached out to the letter writer to inform them exactly how to make a violent enforcement complaint.

[3:51:41] Voice 10: Oh, I see.

[3:51:42] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:51:43] Voice 10: So that deals with that.

[3:51:45] Voice 10: 10.3.

[3:51:47] Voice 10: Oh, 10.3.

[3:51:48] Voice 26: Thank you.

[3:51:51] Voice 26: Letter from the ministry.

[3:51:52] Voice 26: That's great.

[3:51:53] Voice 26: We're glad to get that letter.

[3:51:58] Voice 26: 10.4.

[3:52:00] Voice 5: Oh, that's okay.

[3:52:01] Voice 26: Okay, so the letter from Hugh Skinner is just to request us to consider a new development permit area for the Cormac Swamp.

[3:52:12] Voice 26: So that's a thing that I have walked by a number of times, realizing it's a really valuable wetland area.

[3:52:19] Voice 26: And indeed, I totally think it should be included in a development permit area, which we cannot do at this point, but it would certainly be good to get it into.

[3:52:30] Voice 26: I know I put it into my file for OCP review, development permit additions and updates.

[3:52:40] Voice 8: So does that go on the projects list or something?

[3:52:44] Voice 8: Or are you saying you're going to include it in the OCP review?

[3:52:47] Voice 26: Well, it

[3:52:47] Voice 26: definitely needs to be forwarded to Marissa Chadwick as part of the OCP review.

[3:52:53] Voice 26: Because everything I get has to do with OCP stuff.

[3:52:57] Voice 26: Well,

[3:52:57] Voice 10: so let's forward this to Narissa Chadwick as part of the OCP motion.

[3:53:04] Voice 26: Okay, so I move that the Gabriel Allen Local Trust Committee forward the letter from Hugh Skinner,

[3:53:11] Voice 26: President of GALT, dated April 2nd, 2024, forward that letter to Narissa Chadwick to be included

[3:53:24] Voice 26: did in the OCP review materials.

[3:53:29] Voice 8: Moved. Seconded.

[3:53:31] Voice 8: Thank

[3:53:31] Voice 10: you. Any discussion?

[3:53:33] Voice 10: All those in favor? Aye. Passed unanimously.

[3:53:39] Voice 10: All right. I'm going to go without the new business

[3:53:42] Voice 10: annual report excerpt for the Gabriela LCA

[3:53:46] Voice 10: memorandum. I think we're looking for an endorsement of that

[3:53:49] Voice 10: modification and endorsement of the statement.

[3:53:53] Voice 10: page 207

[3:53:56] Voice 10: of our agenda.

[3:53:59] Voice 15: We just

[3:54:01] Voice 4: did one of these last year.

[3:54:04] Voice 15: Yeah, exactly.

[3:54:07] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:54:09] Voice 15: 63 and 2

[3:54:10] Voice 15: penalties for derailing.

[3:54:19] Voice 26: I would just say

[3:54:22] Voice 26: that the second line

[3:54:24] Voice 26: seemed very generic.

[3:54:25] Voice 26: Can we not say

[3:54:27] Voice 26: whose traditional territories

[3:54:29] Voice 26: we're working in?

[3:54:32] Voice 26: You know, it's just

[3:54:33] Voice 26: treating traditional territories

[3:54:34] Voice 26: of First Nations.

[3:54:36] Voice 15: we

[3:54:37] Voice 26: can be specific

[3:54:38] Voice 26: because we know

[3:54:39] Voice 26: there are seven nations.

[3:54:42] Voice 26: Yeah, well,

[3:54:43] Voice 10: craft a motion to figure out what

[3:54:46] Voice 10: changes you want to make

[3:54:47] Voice 10: and then craft a motion to

[3:54:50] Voice 10: all references to

[3:54:52] Voice 10: territories and personations

[3:54:54] Voice 10: should specifically

[3:54:55] Voice 10: note the name of the personation.

[3:54:58] Voice 10: Because, of course, there are other interests

[3:55:00] Voice 10: here.

[3:55:02] Voice 15: Yeah.

[3:55:04] Voice 15: I don't want to

[3:55:43] Voice 19: get too

[3:55:44] Voice 19: bogged down and it just kind of struck me you

[3:55:48] Voice 10: could also ask staff just to edit it to make

[3:55:52] Voice 10: references to yeah

[3:55:53] Voice 26: to reflect the nations in this territorial area um okay um

[3:56:02] Voice 30: yeah

[3:56:06] Voice 30: good afternoon chair um oh hey our pm jam right here

[3:56:10] Voice 30: um i'm still in the background just watching i um heard a question if i may

[3:56:21] Voice 30: Morgana is just tuning in but I was going to share as well that we can make that um

[3:56:25] Voice 30: that edit to the the second sentence for your

[3:56:30] Voice 30: comment to specify um first nation as well

[3:56:36] Voice 30: yeah

[3:56:37] Voice 26: that would be great um statistics

[3:56:46] Voice 15: yeah

[3:56:54] Voice 26: everything looks fine um and you might we could change so the second last paragraph

[3:57:02] Voice 26: the gabriella ltc met with some information leadership is it important to also note that

[3:57:09] Voice 26: staff are continuing uh staff to staff relationship building or um not important not sure about that

[3:57:23] Voice 26: i guess this is a business report it doesn't have to be flowery and they have lots of them too yeah

[3:57:33] Voice 30: through the chair there is one um there is a annual report from all the local trust areas

[3:57:39] Voice 26: Yeah, I just know that, you know, First Nation relationship building is very important for the Ministry of Municipal Affairs, so wherever we can highlight the work that we're doing and the specificity of that work, I think, you know, it signals our commitment to that, commitment to reconciliation.

[3:57:58] Voice 26: I agree, because certainly that was brought to our attention at the Islands Trust Conservancy, you know, to the Ministry.

[3:58:06] Voice 26: industry so

[3:58:08] Voice 30: for that second last sentence do you have any suggested wording that you

[3:58:12] Voice 30: as part

[3:58:12] Voice 30: of this process

[3:58:13] Voice 26: the um trustees and staff could you know meet with some name of first nation

[3:58:19] Voice 26: uh leadership and staff on a continual basis or a a regular basis could we say something like that

[3:58:28] Voice 26: i think regular is fine it doesn't have to be often regular doesn't mean often it just means

[3:58:35] Voice 26: expected yeah

[3:58:37] Voice 27: yeah

[3:58:38] Voice 26: oh and and what about and our working to renew our protocol agreement

[3:58:45] Voice 26: with the nation i mean that's huge yeah um and that's our 2008 protocol yeah and our working

[3:58:54] Voice 26: on a framework to renew and update our relationship agreement with dynamic first

[3:59:01] Voice 26: I think that's significant. I do too. I hope someone's taking notes. I haven't been writing.

[3:59:07] Voice 10: Morgana, do you have some comments there in context of the period of time that this is

[3:59:12] Voice 10: recorded for? Yes,

[3:59:14] Voice 31: sir. I am taking notes. More

[3:59:16] Voice 10: volume if you can.

[3:59:18] Voice 31: Oh, hold on. Let me just move

[3:59:20] Voice 31: closer. Is that better? Yeah. Okay. So I am taking notes. And I just want to remind that there is

[3:59:30] Voice 31: is a reconciliation article that stands alone within the annual report where this will be

[3:59:37] Voice 31: included as well. I don't know if the framework is specific, this framework with the name

[3:59:45] Voice 31: of First Nation, is it specific to just Gabriela LTC or is it a trust?

[3:59:50] Voice 26: No, it's specific

[3:59:51] Voice 26: to this LTC. So we

[3:59:53] Voice 26: have a protocol agreement that's from 2009. It's

[3:59:57] Voice 26: The network has indicated interest and update.

[4:00:00] Voice 26: that protocol agreement and or a relationship agreement specifically with the gabriella ltc

[4:00:06] Voice 26: so that probably should be included if

[4:00:13] Voice 30: i may i could suggest some wording

[4:00:15] Voice 30: reflective of what i heard from through the chair what i heard from trustee elliott's wording

[4:00:21] Voice 30: um initiatives of the gabriella ltc for this period includes relationship building with

[4:00:30] Voice 30: Sonamah First Nation. As part of this process, the Gabriel LTC met with Sonamah First Nation

[4:00:37] Voice 30: leadership, is meeting with staff on a regular basis and working to renew the protocol agreement

[4:00:45] Voice 30: between Sonamah First Nation and the Gabriel LTC. Great,

[4:00:51] Voice 30: thank you Renee.

[4:00:52] Voice 30: I have the recording

[4:00:54] Voice 15: and

[4:00:54] Voice 30: captured so we can we can work with that morgana that's great great

[4:01:00] Voice 8: okay thank

[4:01:02] Voice 26: you anything

[4:01:03] Voice 10: else there do we need to make any kind of a motion or endorsement or you captured that and that'll um

[4:01:09] Voice 10: there

[4:01:09] Voice 26: is an alternative recommendation there a lot of motion

[4:01:13] Voice 9: i don't think it was

[4:01:16] Voice 8: so

[4:01:17] Voice 26: i moved that the gabriel island local trust committee approves the

[4:01:20] Voice 26: in touch text for inclusion in the 2023-24 annual report for or no don't need it for approval as

[4:01:28] Voice 26: amended oh no for approval as amended by trust council and submission to the minister of municipal

[4:01:36] Voice 26: affairs uh but but we amended it trust council i know it's very confusing because trust council

[4:01:44] Voice 26: has to look so i'll just put it on the end so annual report for approval by trust council

[4:01:48] Voice 26: and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs,

[4:01:50] Voice 26: comma, as amended.

[4:01:53] Voice 26: I'll second that.

[4:01:54] Voice 26: Makes sense.

[4:01:55] Voice 10: Okay.

[4:01:56] Voice 10: Moves and seconded.

[4:01:57] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[4:01:58] Voice 26: No.

[4:01:58] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[4:01:59] Voice 10: That carries.

[4:02:01] Voice 10: Good work.

[4:02:02] Voice 10: Thank you for joining us, Morgana.

[4:02:03] Voice 26: Thanks, Morgana.

[4:02:04] Voice 26: Super helpful.

[4:02:05] Voice 26: Thank you.

[4:02:05] Voice 10: And you're going to continue to hang around,

[4:02:09] Voice 10: especially for the new business item here,

[4:02:11] Voice 10: which we're going to come up with,

[4:02:12] Voice 10: which you may not be aware of,

[4:02:14] Voice 10: which is a new 11.2,

[4:02:17] Voice 10: um the vacancy tax um options the

[4:02:24] Voice 26: speculation and vacancy times exactly yeah

[4:02:30] Voice 10: so um trustee yates brought this to us so i'm just going to flip it over to you and uh thank

[4:02:37] Voice 10: you can seek some advice from staff but uh thank you advanced so you got your hand up

[4:02:45] Voice 30: through the chair if you'll allow me um i think there is an 11.1 i wasn't sure if you wanted to

[4:02:52] Voice 30: address that first or the new business added to that that's

[4:02:55] Voice 22: what we just did the annual report

[4:02:57] Voice 22: that was

[4:03:00] Voice 30: the annual report that we did and then the next item is the first nation

[4:03:04] Voice 30: relationship building update a verbal

[4:03:07] Voice 30: oh

[4:03:07] Voice 22: that's not online that's on top point live in arms am i

[4:03:11] Voice 30: okay should

[4:03:12] Voice 22: be coming out soon

[4:03:13] Voice 30: pardon me i never mind thank you chair sorry about that well glad you're

[4:03:18] Voice 10: watching that's good so uh

[4:03:20] Voice 10: so speculation vacancy tax that was a new item added uh at adoption today 11.2 thank you chair

[4:03:27] Voice 26: lakam so just very briefly um i'm really interested in the speculation and vacancy tax i know that at

[4:03:36] Voice 26: At some point, council has discussed it, trust council.

[4:03:40] Voice 26: I did seek advice from David Marler and Stefan Czernak

[4:03:45] Voice 26: as to whether a local trust committee can ask for it,

[4:03:49] Voice 26: as we also ask for option into primary residence

[4:03:53] Voice 26: for the vacation rental.

[4:03:55] Voice 26: And Stefan replied and said, yes, I believe the LTC can request

[4:04:01] Voice 26: the Minister of Finance to amend the speculation

[4:04:04] Voice 26: and vacancy tax regulation such that it applies to the Gabriela Island

[4:04:09] Voice 26: local trust area, which is great.

[4:04:12] Voice 26: And so I'd be happy to move that.

[4:04:14] Voice 26: However, I wonder if it's more useful for council to once again talk about

[4:04:23] Voice 26: whether they want to request it so that it applies for the whole trust area

[4:04:29] Voice 26: or whether that's just not going to fly.

[4:04:33] Voice 26: or it just might not fly either maybe you and Toby you and Peter don't agree with it but I just

[4:04:38] Voice 26: thought we should bring it up it's sitting out there as part of the new housing regulations

[4:04:43] Voice 26: and it's something I read every week or so thinking oh we should be doing something about this

[4:04:48] Voice 26: yeah

[4:04:49] Voice 27: I

[4:04:50] Voice 26: agree yeah so maybe because you're both on executive maybe you have some ideas about is

[4:04:59] Voice 26: Is this worth bringing to council?

[4:05:01] Voice 26: Is it better just to try to do it ourselves and provide the example?

[4:05:07] Voice 26: Well, then that's piecemeal.

[4:05:09] Voice 26: You would want to bring an RFD to council, no?

[4:05:13] Voice 26: Well, I thought maybe the LTC could bring an RFD to council.

[4:05:18] Voice 26: The LTC?

[4:05:19] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:05:19] Voice 26: You

[4:05:19] Voice 10: know, I think we might just want to simply ask Rene to advise us on options for initiating something along.

[4:05:26] Voice 10: Because I think, if my recollection is, is that the province is less interested in deploying this into the Gulf Islands.

[4:05:35] Voice 10: So if that's the case, it would be a bigger lobby effort.

[4:05:40] Voice 26: Yeah, I just don't know.

[4:05:42] Voice 10: Yeah, and I don't know either.

[4:05:43] Voice 10: It's all, this is all new and it's evolving.

[4:05:46] Voice 10: And I expect it actually to change, like when November rolls around, I'm anticipating there's going to be some blowback and there's going to be potentially even more changes.

[4:05:55] Voice 10: one way or the other me

[4:05:57] Voice 26: too but i don't want to lose this you know like i don't want to let it

[4:06:00] Voice 26: slide under the carpet because nobody's actually asked for it like somebody actually asked for it

[4:06:06] Voice 10: and rpm can we ask you to provide us some options on that in some fashion through

[4:06:16] Voice 30: the chair pardon

[4:06:17] Voice 30: me i've lost the space that we are on the agenda oh

[4:06:21] Voice 10: well it's not on the agenda it was a new

[4:06:23] Voice 10: business item and it's to do with the speculation and vacancy tax from the government from the

[4:06:31] Voice 10: provincial government and what are the options is the question can gabriella so

[4:06:39] Voice 26: we were advised

[4:06:40] Voice 26: uh renee that we could we could apply as a local trust committee not necessarily as council as a

[4:06:56] Voice 26: through

[4:06:57] Voice 30: the chair it could be a consideration or an option of the ltc to request the minister of

[4:07:04] Voice 30: finance to amend the regulation so that it doesn't apply to the trust area that may include

[4:07:11] Voice 30: a letter for example to the minister there may also be some conversation or discussion required

[4:07:20] Voice 30: required to um to understand that aspect of the options with the legislation um if you require

[4:07:27] Voice 30: more information but that could be one action is to request through a letter to the minister of

[4:07:33] Voice 30: finance no

[4:07:34] Voice 26: but it's the opposite that i'm asking for i'm not asking to be exempted i'm asking

[4:07:40] Voice 26: that

[4:07:41] Voice 30: information i'll have to look into a little bit more just because i'm not as

[4:07:45] Voice 30: well versed to provide you those options uh steven

[4:07:51] Voice 4: yeah

[4:07:51] Voice 21: well nothing really additional but just to say that that is the info i've received i

[4:07:57] Voice 21: sent an email to the director this morning and he's not available to join us but um but that is

[4:08:03] Voice 21: he gave me the same information that the ltc can request the minister of finance to amend

[4:08:08] Voice 21: the regulations so that it applies so that was possible we don't know and you could also ask

[4:08:15] Voice 21: staff to come back with more information about different options um if that's something that

[4:08:21] Voice 21: you want to see on a future agenda but i think we likely have to report back

[4:08:27] Voice 33: and

[4:08:28] Voice 21: renee you're you're concurring with that through

[4:08:31] Voice 30: the chair yes i thank

[4:08:32] Voice 11: you okay

[4:08:34] Voice 4: okay what

[4:08:35] Voice 4: do you want to do is there an

[4:08:36] Voice 26: interest in well

[4:08:38] Voice 4: it's worth asking questions let's

[4:08:40] Voice 26: do it okay i

[4:08:41] Voice 26: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[4:08:45] Voice 26: request the Minister of Finance

[4:08:46] Voice 26: to amend the Speculation and Vacancy Tax Regulation.

[4:08:50] Voice 11: I was thinking we were going to ask

[4:08:51] Voice 11: staff to provide us options.

[4:08:53] Voice 11: I'm going to go ahead and do my thing

[4:08:55] Voice 11: up to the Minister and ask them.

[4:08:57] Voice 26: Step Anne says we can just ask.

[4:08:59] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:09:00] Voice 26: And then we'll, I don't know.

[4:09:04] Voice 7: Well, that's the end

[4:09:04] Voice 26: of the day at the same time.

[4:09:06] Voice 26: The staff report tells us what's going to happen, right?

[4:09:09] Voice 11: It's all the same.

[4:09:10] Voice 26: It's all the same. Yeah.

[4:09:12] Voice 26: And if it's outrageous, so be it.

[4:09:15] Voice 11: Well, if there's more information, they'll come back to us.

[4:09:19] Voice 26: Okay, so I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[4:09:23] Voice 26: request the Minister of Finance to amend the speculation

[4:09:26] Voice 26: and vacancy tax regulation such that it applies

[4:09:29] Voice 26: to the Gabriela Island Local Trust area.

[4:09:35] Voice 11: Okay, moved.

[4:09:37] Voice 26: I can't second it because it's too much loaded into...

[4:09:43] Voice 26: We haven't had a discussion.

[4:09:44] Voice 26: on whether we all agree on being included so no no that's the local trustee yeah you need to make

[4:09:53] Voice 26: a decision that we want to pursue this before we write a letter and i would like to see some

[4:09:58] Voice 26: reporting i don't think just uh writing a letter right now to the minister is the right

[4:10:03] Voice 26: way to do

[4:10:04] Voice 26: it okay

[4:10:04] Voice 10: so seeking off so back to seeking off yeah yeah

[4:10:07] Voice 10: yeah that's good then i'm happy with

[4:10:10] Voice 26: that story no no i'm totally happy with that yeah we

[4:10:13] Voice 26: should do something with

[4:10:14] Voice 11: this it's a more um

[4:10:16] Voice 11: methodical well

[4:10:17] Voice 26: i need to think about it yeah yeah because i know salt spring attempted this

[4:10:22] Voice 26: and so there is precedent and there may i think there was a letter back from the minister already

[4:10:27] Voice 26: so we need that information to be able to craft it i heard that too right okay okay

[4:10:32] Voice 10: so let's do

[4:10:33] Voice 10: the options so you want to try to get rid

[4:10:36] Voice 26: of that first i moved at the gabriel island local

[4:10:41] Voice 26: trust committee request staff to inform us regarding options for opting into the speculation

[4:10:54] Voice 26: and vacancy tax regulation for the gabriel island local trust area yes okay second though

[4:11:03] Voice 10: Great. So, Catherine, did you capture that? You got it right this time, I think.

[4:11:09] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:11:10] Voice 18: Yes, I did.

[4:11:12] Voice 10: Brilliant. Thank you very much. So, moved and seconded,

[4:11:15] Voice 10: and this is only for the discussion. All those in favor?

[4:11:18] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:11:18] Voice 10: So, that goes to Kendra. Okay?

[4:11:21] Voice 10: Awesome. So, that endows it for new business. So, now we're into staff reports,

[4:11:26] Voice 10: which is, I think, where you were, R.P.M. Gemara.

[4:11:30] Voice 10: And the first item is the application report dated April the 11th.

[4:11:35] Voice 26: Wait, no, first item is trust conservancy report.

[4:11:37] Voice 26: It

[4:11:37] Voice 10: doesn't say there's one here.

[4:11:39] Voice 26: But we can celebrate Night Hot Hill Covenant on North Pender.

[4:11:43] Voice 26: Okay, go ahead.

[4:11:44] Voice 26: That's it. That's all I want to say.

[4:11:46] Voice 26: It's a wonderful new addition to North Pender's protected area.

[4:11:51] Voice 10: Well, North Pender's an amazing place.

[4:11:53] Voice 10: Yay.

[4:11:53] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:11:54] Voice 10: Okay. So we're celebrating Nighthawk Hill on North Bender Island from the Trust Conservancy's world. So 12.2 is the applications report dated April 11th. And unless there's any changes there on the applications, some were advanced today. Are there any questions on the remaining items? Right. So we'll just receive that information.

[4:12:15] Voice 10: information trustee and local expense report February 2024 suggest we receive that information

[4:12:22] Voice 10: if there's any questions you don't answer your argument adopted policies and standing resolutions

[4:12:28] Voice 10: you obviously made an amendment to that today but otherwise we'll receive the remainder for

[4:12:37] Voice 10: information first nations relationship building verbal update um staff have you got an update

[4:12:44] Voice 10: for us on that i believe you do through

[4:12:48] Voice 30: the chair thank you um rpm gem right here um this was the

[4:12:53] Voice 30: one i had jumped to on the agenda so we're here now um to provide you with a verbal update um as we

[4:13:03] Voice 30: continue with more conversations and discussions with um first nation uh in for gabriel it would

[4:13:11] Voice 30: would be with Sunimah First Nation. The idea is that I'll be providing updates in a routine sort

[4:13:18] Voice 30: of way. It'll either be a verbal update if we miss the agenda, cut off time to provide something

[4:13:25] Voice 30: written. My intent is to, over time, standardize the updates going to all of the local trust

[4:13:33] Voice 30: areas for the North as we continue these conversations. So it's a newer process and

[4:13:39] Voice 30: I'm trying this out. The intent is to give you timely updates so you have an idea of what's

[4:13:47] Voice 30: what's happening with any staff activities with First Nation Relationship Building as well as an

[4:13:53] Voice 30: opportunity to communicate with the public on on what kind of work is underway with the with the

[4:13:58] Voice 30: Islands Trust Organization. So for April 18th over the last few months staff have supported the

[4:14:05] Voice 30: the gabriella local trust committee and two council to council discussions with cinema first

[4:14:09] Voice 30: nation matters generally include talking about common goals ways to work together refreshing

[4:14:16] Voice 30: the protocol agreement and an interest in participating in gabriella's official community

[4:14:20] Voice 30: plan project this was the first leadership meeting council to council meeting is what i

[4:14:26] Voice 30: had referred to but first leadership meeting that happened and occurred on march 5th and the idea is

[4:14:33] Voice 30: that as our local trustees alluded to is that these meetings will happen on a more regular

[4:14:41] Voice 30: basis into the future there's also ongoing staff to staff discussions regarding aspects on

[4:14:48] Voice 30: development processes and referral processes so again that was something we also just discussed

[4:14:53] Voice 30: earlier this this agenda meeting and we'll also be looking at holding discussions to support

[4:14:59] Voice 30: Port Island's Trust and Trust Council and the LTC's commitment to reconciliation actions

[4:15:04] Voice 30: in terms of building positive relationships moving forward with SNAIMA, pardon me.

[4:15:11] Voice 30: And that's my update.

[4:15:13] Voice 30: I imagine that the local trust committee may also have other updates you wish to share

[4:15:20] Voice 30: as trustees.

[4:15:21] Voice 30: So this was just meant to be a high-level overview.

[4:15:25] Voice 30: Thank you.

[4:15:26] Voice 30: Happy to answer any questions you have.

[4:15:28] Voice 30: Oh,

[4:15:28] Voice 27: great report. Thank you. I could add

[4:15:33] Voice 26: something. Well, I don't know if it's been

[4:15:40] Voice 26: public knowledge yet for this LTC, but we've hired the Indigenous, the CIRA, the Senior

[4:15:47] Voice 26: Indigenous Relations. Okay, great. So we'll be in that role, I think, starting next month.

[4:15:54] Voice 26: and just in terms of the the reconciliation learning group that some of us have been

[4:16:02] Voice 26: participating in there's unfortunately only been 15 16 seats taken up by trustees and staff there's

[4:16:10] Voice 26: still an opportunity but last night was by far the most just incredible workshop I have never

[4:16:19] Voice 26: never had a download of such great information. Jared Kostanehan-Williams was doing the workshop

[4:16:27] Voice 26: and I'm actually going to ask if we can share that with all trustees on Coast Salish, an Indigenous

[4:16:32] Voice 26: foods gathering. He's actually been working with the First Nations Health Authority and

[4:16:40] Voice 26: through Cowichan Tribes, but his own work is to bring Indigenous foods into institutions like

[4:16:46] Voice 26: like hospitals and elder care homes.

[4:16:52] Voice 26: And I just want to share this one poem

[4:16:54] Voice 26: that he left us with at the end.

[4:16:57] Voice 26: It's really hit me.

[4:16:58] Voice 26: And for all of us trying to do this work

[4:17:01] Voice 26: that seems so difficult,

[4:17:02] Voice 26: he said, it's been seven generations

[4:17:05] Voice 26: since colonization happened, 150 years.

[4:17:09] Voice 26: And this is the first generation

[4:17:12] Voice 26: that we get to be part of the change.

[4:17:15] Voice 26: For the first time in history,

[4:17:17] Voice 26: we are the first generation to work together to have these opportunities um and to to do things

[4:17:24] Voice 26: in a different way so he says when you're looking at a project and it seems insurmountable and it

[4:17:29] Voice 26: seems like how are we going to change this process just like you know the development permit that we

[4:17:34] Voice 26: just heard about a poor woodshed he says you get to participate in something that's never been done

[4:17:42] Voice 26: before you may not you may not see the process change this year but the next generation is going

[4:17:48] Voice 26: to be able to build on that so he said it much more articulately i'm going to ask that that

[4:17:53] Voice 26: two-hour workshop because it was such a download on very specific food systems um that there weren't

[4:18:01] Voice 26: hunter-gatherer people that they you know really worked the land and and the salmon and built up

[4:18:08] Voice 26: the stocks over many generations and um i know everybody came away from that with just such a

[4:18:13] Voice 26: deep appreciation um so yeah there's there's lots of learning to be done but i think the

[4:18:19] Voice 26: encouragement is that this it's hard because this is the first time this has ever been done and we're

[4:18:26] Voice 26: trying to turn the tides so with the following teacher i know one wonderful story yeah totally

[4:18:35] Voice 26: So thank you for letting me share with you.

[4:18:40] Voice 8: Okay, so we'll move on then.

[4:18:43] Voice 8: Climate action update.

[4:18:44] Voice 8: I don't see anything noted here today.

[4:18:47] Voice 8: It's in our OCP.

[4:18:49] Voice 8: Reboot.

[4:18:50] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[4:18:53] Voice 8: And the local trust committee webpage is there

[4:18:56] Voice 8: if we needed to make any changes,

[4:18:57] Voice 8: but I think we're probably okay.

[4:18:59] Voice 8: Are we all right?

[4:19:01] Voice 8: So I'm going to go to section 13.1, page 221 of the agenda.

[4:19:06] Voice 8: agenda that's our active projects I think the matter is that's what we're working on and if

[4:19:13] Voice 8: you don't

[4:19:14] Voice 10: make any changes that would be the time but we'll try and add anything

[4:19:20] Voice 10: any uh thoughts from anybody there otherwise we'll just receive it for information

[4:19:27] Voice 10: and future projects is on page 224 and so

[4:19:32] Voice 26: unless there's some changes there we'll just

[4:19:35] Voice 26: Just a couple of questions. So for future projects, I think we've asked this before. Number two is the name of relationship building. And that seems very strange place for this to be because I think we all assume that this is something completely ongoing and not future projects. It's just something we do all the time.

[4:20:01] Voice 26: So,

[4:20:02] Voice 8: Renee, are you still there? Do you have a remark with respect to that?

[4:20:07] Voice 26: It just seems like an odd place for it. There's no date and nobody reasons to go in. I don't

[4:20:19] Voice 26: think it should be there.

[4:20:20] Voice 30: Through the Chair, pardon me, I just jumped to another item. This is in the Work Plan for Future Projects?

[4:20:27] Voice 30: Yeah, number two.

[4:20:28] Voice 30: just going to on the page 224 of the agenda number two um that was indeed um an item to capture

[4:20:43] Voice 30: uh from the ltc because it was it was thought to be important so we didn't lose sight of it

[4:20:49] Voice 30: if there is a moment in time now where you think that is being addressed that can come off but

[4:20:56] Voice 30: perhaps replaced with something else or maybe an update provided through this opportunity that

[4:21:04] Voice 30: could be one option because it is future projects i would also maybe suggest a consideration that

[4:21:15] Voice 30: this is something that is happening maybe through other opportunities that it's not a project in and

[4:21:21] Voice 30: of itself as a future project item so it

[4:21:24] Voice 30: could it could come off in its general nature so i would

[4:21:28] Voice 30: suggest the chair that me that i come off the list as a future project yeah yeah and

[4:21:33] Voice 26: if anything it's

[4:21:34] Voice 26: an active project right totally but you know it doesn't really belong there either agree do we

[4:21:42] Voice 26: need a resolution or just remove it from the future projects list through

[4:21:46] Voice 30: the chair a resolution would

[4:21:47] Voice 30: be great okay

[4:21:48] Voice 26: i move that the gabriel island local class committee request staff to remove

[4:21:54] Voice 26: under future projects report number two it's in the name of relationship building

[4:22:03] Voice 26: second move

[4:22:05] Voice 10: to second any further discussion all those in favor thank you very much

[4:22:10] Voice 10: thank you

[4:22:11] Voice 26: for that advice renee um i also had a question about number three

[4:22:17] Voice 26: development permit review topics it's great that we have this one in there and i remember

[4:22:23] Voice 26: exactly where it came from um do we need it in here when we know we're going to be looking at dpas

[4:22:31] Voice 26: all the dpas and the ocp or do we still need to have it in here all by itself through the chair

[4:22:42] Voice 30: i'm happy to defer to island planner ao to field this question i know i've just come in for a few

[4:22:48] Voice 30: items but i know he's ready to answer yeah

[4:22:51] Voice 21: i can answer um uh so i i think this this is really a

[4:22:56] Voice 21: tracking list for you and so if you think this is captured already in an ongoing project yes um you

[4:23:03] Voice 21: can you can move it here to make sure it doesn't get lost and that you see it on your agenda every

[4:23:08] Voice 21: meeting um or you can again similar to the the one you just removed you can you can edit this list

[4:23:16] Voice 21: so that it really does reflect your future projects.

[4:23:22] Voice 26: I mean, I don't want to lose it, that's for sure.

[4:23:25] Voice 26: It's super important.

[4:23:28] Voice 26: And

[4:23:28] Voice 21: it may be that...

[4:23:30] Voice 26: Maybe we better just leave it there.

[4:23:33] Voice 26: Because for me, the next one down is really, really important,

[4:23:38] Voice 26: and that is a project, and that is something that needs to be done

[4:23:41] Voice 26: over and above or under or beside the OCP review,

[4:23:46] Voice 26: So

[4:23:51] Voice 10: one of the things that it does, if you clean that up as well, it really puts focus

[4:23:57] Voice 10: on what .

[4:23:58] Voice 10: So DAI

[4:23:58] Voice 4: can move up to number two.

[4:24:00] Voice 4: Well, exactly.

[4:24:01] Voice 4: That's what I'm saying.

[4:24:03] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:24:05] Voice 26: Okay.

[4:24:07] Voice 26: I know that they gave you a-

[4:24:10] Voice 7: You

[4:24:10] Voice 21: can go ahead.

[4:24:13] Voice 21: All I was going to add was just that this, when you do have space for another new project,

[4:24:19] Voice 21: This tends to be the place where you look to first.

[4:24:22] Voice 21: So here's the ideas, the things

[4:24:24] Voice 21: that we've already identified,

[4:24:25] Voice 21: or you have already identified.

[4:24:27] Voice 26: Right.

[4:24:28] Voice 21: Okay.

[4:24:29] Voice 26: Assuming that we are not going to be losing number three,

[4:24:32] Voice 26: because we will be dealing with it during the OCP process,

[4:24:36] Voice 26: I move that the Gabriela Anand Local Trust Committee request staff to remove,

[4:24:42] Voice 26: under future projects report number three,

[4:24:45] Voice 26: development permit area review topics.

[4:24:48] Voice 26: this move

[4:24:52] Voice 7: to have a seconder

[4:24:53] Voice 26: um second

[4:24:54] Voice 7: you sure yeah

[4:24:58] Voice 26: we're not going to lose it are we just

[4:25:00] Voice 26: housekeeping yeah it is okay

[4:25:03] Voice 10: so move to seconded there's no discussion on call for the vote

[4:25:07] Voice 10: all those papers carries and you're still with us uh katherine yes

[4:25:14] Voice 20: i have that perfect thank you

[4:25:17] Voice 10: and have to remind myself to make sure you've got the motions and is there anything further

[4:25:23] Voice 10: further on the future projects all right then so i'm going to go to this next section i'm sorry

[4:25:34] Voice 10: chair welcome i know

[4:25:36] Voice 26: no sorry now this is totally do we need to add review of my giant ocp and his

[4:25:43] Voice 26: bylaw for the next tenant trust committee yes because you know it won't be us or it won't be

[4:25:51] Voice 26: me maybe toby but i

[4:25:53] Voice 10: think that's a positive thing to do okay

[4:25:56] Voice 26: so yeah what do you think i know that

[4:26:00] Voice 26: the gabriel island local trust committee requests staff to add to the future projects report

[4:26:08] Voice 26: review of mudge island official community plan and land use bylaw seconded

[4:26:14] Voice 26: moves

[4:26:16] Voice 10: and seconded and any discussion no i think it's a wise move all those in favor

[4:26:23] Voice 10: that carries excellent well two down one added that's not bad they call that progress okay so

[4:26:34] Voice 10: the next on the agenda suggests we're going to go into a closed meeting we actually

[4:26:38] Voice 10: Actually, Rene, I'm not 100% sure if you were here, we pulled that item and talked about it in a non-in-camera context in order to engage the MUNCH community.

[4:26:50] Voice 10: And I don't know that we need to talk about it anymore.

[4:26:56] Voice 10: There are minutes in the package, but I think we could adopt those at a future meeting.

[4:27:01] Voice 10: We don't necessarily need to do it today.

[4:27:05] Voice 26: the only thing was I had asked for an update on a particular file but

[4:27:11] Voice 10: that isn't on it's not on

[4:27:13] Voice 26: the agenda so he was going

[4:27:15] Voice 26: to speak to him at the closed meeting but so that's fine I can just ask

[4:27:20] Voice 26: staff for an update and yeah I

[4:27:23] Voice 10: can come to our next meeting and I think trying to economize

[4:27:26] Voice 10: with time if you want to do if we can no

[4:27:29] Voice 30: okay

[4:27:30] Voice 10: so is that okay Renee you didn't have anything else

[4:27:33] Voice 10: through the

[4:27:36] Voice 30: chair there's nothing else to raise on the in

[4:27:39] Voice 30: -camera agenda that hasn't already been

[4:27:42] talked

[4:27:43] Voice 30: about today or addressed um the minutes could be adopted at the following uh at a

[4:27:50] Voice 30: following in-camera meeting yeah

[4:27:52] Voice 10: okay then so i'm going to call for adjournment then

[4:27:55] Voice 10: and um maybe i'll just after we stop the recording and everything maybe i'll ask you just to stay on

[4:28:02] Voice 10: the line for a second, Renee. So call for adjournment. All those in favor? That carries.

[4:28:09] Voice 10: Thank you, everybody, for joining us today at the Gabrielle Allen Global Growth Committee meeting.

[4:28:13] Voice 10: And I can try and stop the recording,

[4:28:17] Voice 7: or maybe it'd be better if we had staff.

[4:28:24] Voice 30: Through the chair, I'll just give Stephen a quick call. I can stay on the line until I,

[4:28:31] Voice 30: I'll just go on mute and turn my video off until we decide what we'd like to do.

[4:28:43] Voice 7: Okay, recording stopped.