Hornby Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 22, 2024

[0:00:02] Voice 3: Okay, so it looks like we're, we are live streaming. And so with that, I will welcome everyone attending to this special meeting of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:19] Voice 3: and I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:26] Voice 3: in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people and we respectfully acknowledge

[0:00:32] Voice 3: that the land we gather on is the unceded territory of the Comox First Nation traditional

[0:00:39] Voice 3: keepers of this land which applies to Hornby although and also I believe somewhat to where

[0:00:45] Voice 3: where I am located today on Lasketea Island.

[0:00:51] Voice 3: My name is Tim Peterson.

[0:00:52] Voice 3: I'm elected on Lasketea Island,

[0:00:54] Voice 3: and I'm the chair of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:57] Voice 3: I'm joined today by Hornby Island trustees Grant Scott and Alex Allen,

[0:01:03] Voice 3: and together we make up the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:10] Voice 3: If the live stream – oh, that's actually if we're in the hall.

[0:01:15] Voice 3: So Lisa Millard is our meeting administrator today.

[0:01:18] Voice 3: uh ian cox our planner i'm not sure if lisa's doubling as our minute taker um i wouldn't want

[0:01:34] Voice 3: to i wouldn't want to leave any acknowledgement out so thank you staff for all the work you do

[0:01:38] Voice 3: on our behalf um today's meeting is uh specifically to plan ahead um for the expected

[0:01:51] Voice 3: Rejected referral from the province, British Columbia, for Rogers Communications Tower proposal.

[0:02:00] Voice 3: We do have an agenda before us, and I'll just check with trustees to see if there's anything that you feel is missing here today.

[0:02:16] Voice 3: And not seeing any response, I'll take it by general consent.

[0:02:20] Voice 3: The agenda is adopted as presented.

[0:02:22] Voice 3: and so we have sorry go ahead sir no

[0:02:29] Voice 9: I'm pardon me I just had the wrong document

[0:02:31] Voice 9: up this is the actual agenda package oh

[0:02:33] Voice 3: okay sorry but

[0:02:35] Voice 3: so we have a couple of

[0:02:39] Voice 3: items in we'll start with item 3.1 which is the local Trust Committee's response

[0:02:44] Voice 3: when receiving a referral from the province of British Columbia for the

[0:02:49] Voice 3: rogers communications tower proposal um just to outline we were advised at our last regular

[0:02:56] Voice 3: meeting that uh that referral may be coming soon and that sometime the response window is um

[0:03:05] Voice 3: not necessarily uh very long and given our our meeting schedule i didn't want us to get into a

[0:03:13] Voice 3: a place where we're scrambling to try and put our minds

[0:03:17] Voice 3: to what that response might be.

[0:03:22] Voice 3: And so this is essentially pre-planning for that response.

[0:03:29] Voice 3: So to that end, I did put together a potential motion

[0:03:37] Voice 3: would be that the Hornby Local Trust Committee direct staff

[0:03:41] Voice 3: to include in any response to a referral from the province

[0:03:44] Voice 3: regarding the Rogers Tower proposal the following points ABCD and such so we can

[0:03:50] Voice 3: discuss what those points should be I think I'll open the floor just a moment

[0:03:59] Voice 3: here I'll ramble on just a slight slight a slight bit more there and just say

[0:04:07] Voice 3: that it's clear I double-checked on the maps they the the location that's

[0:04:15] Voice 3: proposed and the location that was proposed by high seek certainly look to

[0:04:23] Voice 3: be the same and so I'll just go ahead and open the floor and let's hear

[0:04:28] Voice 3: trustees for me your thoughts on what should what should be included in a

[0:04:33] Voice 3: referral response all

[0:04:38] Trustee Allen (probable): right well I kind of feel I'll tell you all this is to

[0:04:43] Trustee Allen (probable): share my kind of confusion here because we've already we have having new

[0:04:50] Trustee Allen (probable): new information regarding obviously the Crown land being looked at as housing options, but

[0:04:56] Trustee Allen (probable): that's still been sort of out there. So in terms of responding, this is where I'm confused.

[0:05:02] Trustee Allen (probable): It's like, how do we respond? Are you talking about future? We're just talking about this

[0:05:06] Trustee Allen (probable): particular application only. Is that clear? Because it's, I'm getting lots of questions

[0:05:11] Trustee Allen (probable): from the community going, sorry, I'm just going to put this up. So response from receiving

[0:05:19] Trustee Allen (probable): receiving a referral we've already had the referral so we're in the middle of this referral

[0:05:24] Trustee Allen (probable): is that correct so no we

[0:05:29] Voice 3: have not received the referral from the province yet we're we're

[0:05:35] Voice 3: planning ahead for when we receive that referral from the province and it is about the rogers um

[0:05:42] Voice 3: communications tower or proposed tower yeah that's that's the referral we're expecting from the

[0:05:48] Voice 3: the province okay

[0:05:49] Trustee Allen (probable): it's probably the wording yeah it's the wording that's getting me all right

[0:05:53] Trustee Allen (probable): so basically we're looking at you know adding i'm thinking obviously the housing i seeks looking at

[0:06:00] Trustee Allen (probable): that that's number one i mean that is actually number one is that this location is probably

[0:06:07] Trustee Allen (probable): probably the only other location we could ever have in terms of a community housing option

[0:06:14] Trustee Allen (probable): so this has to be included within that they have to know this the province that this is a

[0:06:19] Trustee Allen (probable): this is a priority of our tower community housing workforce housing okay big silence there okay do

[0:06:35] Voice 3: you have other things to add or and if not then we can we can do this iteratively we can go back

[0:06:41] Voice 3: and forth a bit but i saw trustee scott put his hand up but uh yeah

[0:06:46] Trustee Allen (probable): i do have other things to add

[0:06:47] Trustee Allen (probable): but um yeah go to trustee

[0:06:48] Voice 3: we just start with that yes okay go ahead trustee scott well

[0:06:53] Voice 4: uh after a

[0:06:55] Voice 4: a lot of conversation talking to a lot of people on the island old young new um my take on it is

[0:07:04] Voice 4: that is not an appropriate location for a cell tower on Ormby Island for the following reasons

[0:07:10] Voice 4: number one it's too close to public facilities it's too close to some residences and it's too

[0:07:20] Voice 4: close to the potential housing site or public housing or whatever the right wording is for

[0:07:31] Voice 4: that. So that's my general take on it. I'm not saying no cell tower period on Runby Island.

[0:07:38] Voice 4: I'm saying not that location for the following reasons.

[0:07:45] Voice 3: Okay. Yeah, that's fair. And I think that's a reasonable approach. I'm just going to

[0:07:53] Voice 3: weigh in here um i made a couple of notes for myself um one is that we've certainly the ltc

[0:08:02] Voice 3: has certainly heard substantial community opposition to the uh to the proposal for for

[0:08:12] Voice 3: the tower um at this location um so i think that's something we can uh say um my reading of the

[0:08:24] Voice 3: zoning um and i'll look to staff for some con for confirmation on that but my reading of the zoning

[0:08:32] Voice 3: is that it contains some restrictions on use that does not include communication towers um

[0:08:41] Voice 3: and uh it doesn't include it at all that was when i was looking yeah so i i i think that's

[0:08:49] Voice 3: a point we might want to make um and yeah that of course the high seek is is uh we're we're aware

[0:09:01] Voice 3: that they're preparing an application for much needed community housing essentially at the same

[0:09:07] Voice 3: location so those are the it sounds like it sounds like those are sort of the main points

[0:09:17] Voice 3: and i'll just check back in with uh with trustees and see if there's anything further

[0:09:23] Voice 3: well

[0:09:27] Trustee Allen (probable): we can obviously not delve that deeply but um i have concerns i know that they're not concerned

[0:09:32] Trustee Allen (probable): with property values they're not concerned with safety code six but i have noted that they are

[0:09:40] Trustee Allen (probable): concerned every now and then with wildlife the effect on wildlife and there's no there's no

[0:09:48] Trustee Allen (probable): no actually studies at all

[0:09:50] Trustee Allen (probable): on the effect of wildlife. And this is like right next

[0:09:52] Trustee Allen (probable): to a park. Owls,

[0:09:54] Trustee Allen (probable): all sorts of

[0:09:56] Trustee Allen (probable): endangered, frankly, endangered species

[0:10:00] Trustee Allen (probable): dwell in that

[0:10:01] Trustee Allen (probable): forest. And

[0:10:03] Trustee Allen (probable): I think that should be

[0:10:06] Trustee Allen (probable): added to our

[0:10:07] Trustee Allen (probable): concerns.

[0:10:09] Trustee Allen (probable): The ones that can't speak up for themselves.

[0:10:13] Trustee Allen (probable): And as the fact that they can

[0:10:15] Trustee Allen (probable): also make it taller, they can add

[0:10:17] Trustee Allen (probable): more co-locators on it,

[0:10:19] Trustee Allen (probable): which is even going to have

[0:10:21] Trustee Allen (probable): have more impact on wildlife migratory birds etc that's

[0:10:32] Voice 3: okay and uh just before we move on

[0:10:37] Voice 3: to anything else um i could planner cox could could you just confirm for me um around the the

[0:10:47] Voice 3: permitted uses on that on that uh public use zone yeah

[0:10:52] Voice 9: so i would say if the trust committee wants

[0:10:55] Voice 9: wants to um i mean whatever comments uh staff will include um whatever you direct us to do

[0:11:00] Voice 9: will include that um the health concerns and all that is something that you know um generally is

[0:11:07] Voice 9: is is intended to be covered by the public health act not but in terms of the land use bylaw

[0:11:12] Voice 9: and whether it's permitted or not um tell me if you can see this this is your this is the land

[0:11:21] Voice 9: use bylaw okay um so this is the beginning of the bylaw in the general regulations

[0:11:30] Voice 9: and uses that are permitted in all zones includes public service use so that means in addition to

[0:11:39] Voice 9: the stuff that's permitted in each zone listed as principal or accessory uses these things are

[0:11:48] Voice 9: permitted in all zones unless otherwise prohibited so we look at this public service uses okay and

[0:11:56] Voice 9: then we look to the definition in your bylaw of public service use and this is what how it's

[0:12:04] Voice 9: defined i'll give you a second to to read this can you see that okay is it large enough yeah no it's

[0:12:10] Voice 4: good okay okay

[0:12:28] Voice 3: now uh my so my question is around and this was pointed out of um through the

[0:12:36] Voice 3: communication from high seek um there's

[0:12:42] Voice 2: section oh there's section

[0:12:47] Voice 3: i think it was 8.2 which lists

[0:12:50] Voice 3: the number of uses and then there's a section following that sure i can go to

[0:12:57] Voice 9: that this is

[0:12:58] Voice 3: notwithstanding yeah

[0:13:00] Voice 9: um just to be just to sort of clarify this piece what i just put up there

[0:13:08] Voice 9: the general the use is permitted in all zones general regs and then this public service use

[0:13:13] Voice 9: definition that would form part of like just the technical land use bylaw review by staff on a

[0:13:20] Voice 9: referral from the province okay so we're saying this land use bylaw says this about this there

[0:13:25] Voice 9: has been discussion in the community as we've heard as you have heard that this clause about

[0:13:30] Voice 9: serving only the hornby island community is something that has been raised as to whether

[0:13:35] Voice 9: the tower uh is a benefit to hornby island only or whether it's going to better others that's

[0:13:40] Voice 9: another discussion but but as it stands it would appear unless the unless the you know local trust

[0:13:48] Voice 9: trust committee like we're to feel like we want to delve into this particular uh piece of this

[0:13:56] Voice 9: definition um that it would appear that the um you know telephone uh services under the radio

[0:14:05] Voice 9: communication act is permitted in all zones unless either is prohibited so that's just that

[0:14:10] Voice 9: technical piece aside from whatever the local trust committee wants to

[0:14:13] Voice 8: add

[0:14:14] Voice 9: as comment to the

[0:14:15] Voice 9: technical review so i'll go to section um the public you're speaking chair about the public

[0:14:23] Voice 9: use zone correct correct

[0:14:25] Voice 2: yes okay

[0:14:26] Voice 9: so we'll go there uh just give me one second oh not there

[0:14:31] Voice 9: where are you 8.2 8.2 why is it 0

[0:14:38] Trustee Allen (probable): .21 8

[0:14:40] Voice 2: .21 page 51 why is that

[0:14:48] Voice 2: no that's there

[0:14:51] Voice 9: thank you so so yeah there's a list of permitted uses i'm just trying to get

[0:14:56] Voice 9: them all on the screen i'll have to scroll a bit anyway the the well actually it might be helpful

[0:15:01] Voice 9: to show you know what first i'm going to show you the zoning map um and let's see if can you

[0:15:16] Voice 9: see the zoning map yes okay so what the letter from high c what the communication from high

[0:15:26] Voice 9: is talking about is that the fact that this northern northeastern um portion is pu generally

[0:15:35] Voice 9: public use and and the on the other side of the road is pua which is a site-specific zone

[0:15:41] Voice 9: so then when we go to the bylaw and this is pardon me this this area here

[0:15:47] Voice 9: is where the generally where the proposed the housing proposal is um well yeah it is on that

[0:15:56] Voice 9: portion so if we then look at the bylaw the the public use zone on the northern portion allows

[0:16:03] Voice 9: all of these uses including community housing and then the site-specific zoning which applies to the

[0:16:14] Voice 9: other portion as in the proportion the portion that's that's that that high c uh is proposing

[0:16:21] Voice 9: to do the project on states despite all those other uses in the PUA site

[0:16:29] Voice 9: specific zone only these permitted uses are allowed right

[0:16:35] Voice 3: and so thank you for

[0:16:38] Voice 3: that because because what I was trying to get at is that this part the PUA does

[0:16:44] Voice 3: does not list the telecommunications part, right?

[0:16:50] Voice 3: It's very, very, so my

[0:16:52] Voice 9: reading of it.

[0:16:53] Voice 9: But the interpretation would be that in any zone,

[0:16:59] Voice 9: public service use is permitted,

[0:17:03] Voice 9: and that includes those items that were listed in the definition.

[0:17:07] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:17:10] Voice 4: So can I ask you, so that PUA.

[0:17:14] Trustee Allen (probable): I've had my hand up.

[0:17:17] Voice 3: yeah so that's true um so i'll go to trustee allen and then trustee scott will come back to you

[0:17:24] Trustee Allen (probable): sorry well in terms of definitions there's public service use and there's public use

[0:17:31] Trustee Allen (probable): and so i don't look at this as a public service zone i look at it as a public use zone and i

[0:17:37] Trustee Allen (probable): interpret that um the pua i interpret that as pua as in terms of the fire hall a under 8.21

[0:17:50] Trustee Allen (probable): So I think we're talking apples and apples and eggplants here because we're talking about a public use, not public service use.

[0:18:01] Trustee Allen (probable): Those are two separate things and they're indicated as separate things and separate definitions.

[0:18:07] Trustee Allen (probable): And I don't think we should agree in bringing up the public service use.

[0:18:11] Trustee Allen (probable): This is a public use.

[0:18:22] Voice 3: OK, Trustee Scott. Sorry. Sorry, Trustee Allen. I thought you were finished.

[0:18:27] Trustee Allen (probable): No, I am. Thank you.

[0:18:29] Voice 4: okay trustee scott go ahead yes i find it kind of confusing because that pua says cemetery public

[0:18:38] Voice 4: utility storage yard highways maintenance and recycling so that implies that is the

[0:18:45] Voice 4: does that mean that's the only permitted uses in pua because

[0:18:55] Voice 9: if i by me just i think we're

[0:18:57] Voice 9: confused there's a couple of uh as far as i see there's a couple things going on do you are you

[0:19:01] Voice 9: The trustee is asking about whether or not the bylaw would appear to permit telecom towers in the zone or the housing piece.

[0:19:17] Voice 9: I'm a bit confused at the moment as to which discussion.

[0:19:21] Voice 3: Correct.

[0:19:22] Voice 9: I was asking

[0:19:22] Voice 3: whether it would permit telecom towers.

[0:19:34] Voice 9: So maybe we should just clarify.

[0:19:36] Voice 9: I'm happy to answer either of those things.

[0:19:39] Voice 9: Maybe we just clarify which one we're discussing.

[0:19:45] Voice 3: We're discussing both.

[0:19:46] Voice 3: I know.

[0:19:47] Voice 3: I mean, they're related, but my question was whether the telecom tower would be considered a permitted use in that.

[0:19:57] Voice 9: So because in your general regulations, it states use is permitted in all zones, public service use,

[0:20:06] Voice 9: and then defines what public service use is,

[0:20:10] Voice 9: that would appear to be permissive of that use

[0:20:18] Voice 9: because it's in the general regulations

[0:20:21] Voice 9: as permitted in all zones.

[0:20:25] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:20:26] Voice 9: I

[0:20:26] Voice 3: just wanted to get clarity on that.

[0:20:28] Voice 3: So I'm sorry that we got a little bit in the weeds on it,

[0:20:31] Voice 3: but I didn't want us to get in the weeds on it later.

[0:20:34] Voice 3: So it's good to get that off the top.

[0:20:38] Voice 3: so we we in other words we can't we can't say that it's not a permitted use well

[0:20:45] Voice 9: so it's it's

[0:20:47] Voice 9: a permitted use in all zones for the benefit of hornby island that's how it's worded in the bylaw

[0:20:52] Voice 9: that that's the that's the definition in the bylaw so okay

[0:20:58] Voice 3: but it's it's yeah all right yeah i i'm

[0:21:01] Voice 3: clear on that our trustees anything further on this little part of it no

[0:21:07] Trustee Allen (probable): i'm just trying to

[0:21:08] Trustee Allen (probable): remember why that came to place and i really think it's to do with not a cell tower but it

[0:21:13] Trustee Allen (probable): was to do with the radio tower to allow the radio station to be in that zone frankly um

[0:21:18] Trustee Allen (probable): i think that's why it all came up but that was then but

[0:21:26] Voice 9: if i may it doesn't really it's not it's

[0:21:28] Voice 9: whether or not the land use bylaw permits it does not necessarily mean that um for some reason the

[0:21:34] Voice 9: province would outright permit it just because you know that's not you know the point of the

[0:21:39] Voice 9: response to crown lands at some point is to provide the local government's um response and

[0:21:44] Voice 9: questions and concerns so i'll leave

[0:21:47] Voice 3: that out there yeah

[0:21:48] Voice 9: yeah

[0:21:50] Voice 3: and and just just to clarify

[0:21:51] Voice 3: where where i was coming from uh just because that i felt that was from my reading i i felt

[0:21:57] Voice 3: there was a little ambiguity there so i just wanted to get um staff perspective on that so

[0:22:03] Voice 3: which is that it's not um prohibited there so staff doesn't

[0:22:08] Voice 3: feel that it's prohibited no

[0:22:10] Voice 3: uh so okay great so i'm clear on that so that's um so i would just sort of suggest that we stick to

[0:22:17] Voice 3: um we stick to uh things that we've already mentioned about the community aspirations

[0:22:26] Voice 3: for the housing there about the location being uh not considered to be uh suitable by proximity to

[0:22:35] Voice 3: all of those other things and and and uh but based on staff's interpretation then i don't think

[0:22:44] Voice 3: um we want to try and make any claim about that but you know that the use wouldn't be permitted

[0:22:56] Voice 3: um so i think what they might be helpful right now and um is if maybe i could get uh ian maybe

[0:23:08] Voice 3: Maybe I could get you to do a share screen and we can just make a little list of the of the items that we've talked about and sort of see if we all generally agree on those items that we feel should be part of the response.

[0:23:24] Voice 9: Sure. So this is just a this is not necessarily indicating.

[0:23:28] Voice 9: No, no, I understand

[0:23:29] Voice 9: this up as it. Yeah. OK, so I'm ready to type whatever you like.

[0:23:33] Voice 9: So

[0:23:34] Voice 3: what I certainly heard from everybody is that there's a potential or we're aware of an application from the community group for much needed community housing in the same area.

[0:24:03] Voice 3: So I think that would be one point.

[0:24:04] Voice 3: so

[0:24:14] Voice 9: uh chair are you such or um is it that the ltc recognizes the general need for housing on

[0:24:24] Voice 9: the island or that specifically um it has well that indication that there is a forthcoming

[0:24:31] Voice 9: proposal or something to that effect like

[0:24:33] Voice 3: yeah yeah that

[0:24:34] Voice 3: we we've been informed that there is

[0:24:37] Voice 3: Is a proposal coming from HI-SEEK for community housing in that same parcel?

[0:25:06] Voice 9: Sort of type way, but I guess, yeah.

[0:25:09] Voice 9: That's okay.

[0:25:10] Voice 9: As we informed, well.

[0:25:18] Voice 4: I think you can just say community housing is forthcoming.

[0:25:23] Voice 4: I don't understand.

[0:25:26] Voice 4: Yeah, they're forthcoming.

[0:25:27] Voice 4: A proposal for community housing is forthcoming.

[0:25:32] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:25:32] Voice 3: and i would say we could be a little bit more specific and say on that parcel but

[0:25:39] Voice 3: um and

[0:25:42] Trustee Allen (probable): more specific from high seek from

[0:25:52] Voice 2: high seek thank you yeah

[0:25:54] Voice 3: okay and then um

[0:25:58] Voice 3: well

[0:26:01] Trustee Allen (probable): the community pushback you mentioned certainly

[0:26:04] Voice 3: substantial community opposition

[0:26:05] Voice 3: to a communicate communications tower in this location yes i

[0:26:26] Trustee Allen (probable): guess we can't add the zoning

[0:26:27] Trustee Allen (probable): does not allow that, because apparently it does.

[0:26:33] Voice 3: Yeah, correct. That's why I wanted to sort that interpretation out

[0:26:37] Voice 3: first. So what other points there, trustees, if you want to

[0:26:41] Voice 3: chime in?

[0:26:43] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, mine was the wildlife, the insubstantial

[0:26:47] Trustee Allen (probable): studies on the effect on wildlife.

[0:26:50] Trustee Allen (probable): It's abutting a park, a regional park

[0:26:57] Trustee Allen (probable): concerns the public.

[0:26:59] Trustee Allen (probable): now over the sorry

[0:27:05] Voice 9: i was just anticipating you may just want to i'm not sure if you just want

[0:27:09] Voice 9: to mention um the environment and um like non-human yeah

[0:27:16] Trustee Allen (probable): beings or if you want to mention

[0:27:18] Voice 9: human and okay

[0:27:19] Trustee Allen (probable): concerns over the effect sorry

[0:27:22] Voice 4: i think it should be wildlife the effects

[0:27:25] Voice 4: Yeah,

[0:27:26] Trustee Allen (probable): I said that, wildlife.

[0:27:28] Trustee Allen (probable): Effects on wildlife, given the location next to a park and, yeah, next to the park and migratory bird.

[0:27:49] Trustee Allen (probable): I could list all the birds and the bees in that park, but I won't.

[0:27:56] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:27:57] Voice 3: And Grant, I know you had three.

[0:28:00] Voice 3: So what was your other one that we haven't got to?

[0:28:04] Voice 4: That it's too close to the potential cell tower site is too close.

[0:28:17] Voice 4: I'm glad somebody can't type any better than I can.

[0:28:20] Voice 4: Potentials, I shouldn't say that.

[0:28:22] Voice 4: He's doing

[0:28:23] Voice 3: way better than I could.

[0:28:24] Voice 4: It's okay.

[0:28:25] Voice 4: I'm doing great, Ian.

[0:28:27] Voice 3: You're doing great.

[0:28:28] Voice 4: I take that back.

[0:28:30] Voice 4: It's too close to public facilities, the whole school.

[0:28:36] Voice 4: I think just public.

[0:28:37] Voice 4: Maybe you could list them.

[0:28:40] Voice 4: School.

[0:28:41] Voice 4: the health playground

[0:28:44] Trustee Allen (probable): school

[0:28:48] Voice 4: playground health care the clinic the hall the ballpark

[0:28:57] Voice 4: they're all tough guys aren't they yeah ballpark yeah and and um and then an e

[0:29:07] Voice 4: which i think is separate is um is it existing housing too

[0:29:19] Voice 3: close to existing housing

[0:29:21] Voice 3: yeah

[0:29:21] Voice 4: yeah too close to existing okay

[0:29:37] Voice 2: so that's that's some uh that's some i think a good start

[0:29:45] Voice 2: there and i wonder um in

[0:29:53] Voice 3: terms of wordsmithing or spelling out anything in any more

[0:30:00] Voice 3: detail I'm certainly willing to entertain that but how are you feeling trustees about where we've

[0:30:06] Voice 3: got to so far it's

[0:30:09] Trustee Allen (probable): a great beginning and it might be a little tweaking of the words here

[0:30:14] Voice 3: well and I would say I think the way I see it is that if we want specific wording included

[0:30:24] Voice 3: included, then let's do our best to come up with that. And the reality is that if we're not able

[0:30:32] Voice 3: to have a meeting due to the timing of when the referral might come in, that we're going to be

[0:30:39] Voice 3: relying on staff. They're certainly going to do the technical aspect of it, but this is sort of

[0:30:46] Voice 3: the political concerns is the way i would frame it and so if if there's if there's terminology

[0:30:53] Voice 3: or specifics you want included let's try and get that in there because because depending on the

[0:31:00] Voice 3: timing of it all we may be leaning on staff um to to pull it together for us uh and we may not

[0:31:09] Voice 3: we may i would assume we might have a chance to look at it individually but we may not have an

[0:31:14] Voice 3: opportunity to have a meeting before the referral response goes out which is of course the purpose

[0:31:19] Voice 3: of this meeting today um so trustee scott i saw your hand up

[0:31:23] Voice 4: okay well i definitely want to see

[0:31:27] Voice 4: um what staff are going to propose to go to the province before it goes

[0:31:34] Voice 3: sure we're sure and i'm

[0:31:36] Voice 3: sure we'll have an opportunity to see it what all i'm saying is that we may not have an opportunity

[0:31:40] Voice 3: there may not be an opportunity to have a meeting if

[0:31:44] Voice 1: there is great let's have that

[0:31:46] Voice 1: but depending on the timing we we may or may not be able to actually arrange a meeting of the ltc

[0:31:55] Voice 1: to go over specifics

[0:31:57] Voice 3: so that's that's we're kind of trying to do our preparatory homework here

[0:32:02] Voice 3: to get as much of it as clear as possible for staff as we can today um so that that there is

[0:32:11] Voice 3: less potentially less last-minute editing to be done as we as that referral

[0:32:19] Voice 3: goes goes to response yes

[0:32:24] Voice 9: so through the chair generally crown land referrals are

[0:32:28] Voice 9: are sort of a technical exercise against the against the bylaw right but in this

[0:32:34] Voice 9: case considering the community interest and feedback and also the LTC's concern

[0:32:42] Voice 9: concern and and the fact that we're going to provide a response directly from you of course

[0:32:46] Voice 9: you will see yes yes you will see the referral response excellent

[0:32:53] Voice 4: thank you so it's but more

[0:32:59] Voice 4: than that i can only speak for myself of course i want to see it but i want to be able to have a

[0:33:05] Voice 4: little bit of time to reflect on it and get back to you on it before you send it in okay so through

[0:33:13] Voice 9: through the chair that's fine i have confirmed with um uh you know with the province that on

[0:33:19] Voice 9: on this one especially that they will have some leeway in terms of um uh response time

[0:33:26] Voice 9: um and if that becomes an issue i'll just request that formally again i think that should be okay

[0:33:31] Voice 9: okay

[0:33:33] Voice 3: well that's great and thank you for that ian and certainly there's um uh trustee scott just so

[0:33:39] Voice 3: you know where i'm coming from i of course i want to have us have uh every opportunity to do that

[0:33:46] Voice 3: and i also want us to be as prepared as possible in case it was a compressed time

[0:33:53] Voice 3: um that we had available and i'll i also think that in terms of um the work staff is going to

[0:34:02] Voice 3: be doing that i think getting this getting this laid out today will will be helpful for staff

[0:34:07] Voice 3: staff um to also to be prepared when the referral comes to uh comes in so uh so how are we feeling

[0:34:18] Voice 3: about the wording that we see at this point is everyone satisfied that that's capturing

[0:34:24] Voice 3: um the important points is there anything missing or any specific language

[0:34:34] Trustee Allen (probable): number c i'm still concerned over the effects of the tower on while i've given location

[0:34:40] Trustee Allen (probable): location in close proximity to the park let's say not a park the park yeah that's yeah that's

[0:34:54] Trustee Allen (probable): better thank you which is home to actually sorry given the location and given the location in

[0:35:04] Trustee Allen (probable): close proximity to the park which is home to many to much wildlife and migratory bird routes thank

[0:35:12] Trustee Allen (probable): you alex

[0:35:15] Voice 4: the uh the zoning map calls it um it's close to ep1 which is defined as ecosystem

[0:35:22] Voice 4: management groundwater recharge so it's not defined on the map here anyway as a park

[0:35:31] Voice 4: oh really yeah well

[0:35:33] Trustee Allen (probable): it's mount jeffrey parks right

[0:35:35] Voice 4: that's what it's well

[0:35:37] Trustee Allen (probable): we still know it's

[0:35:38] Trustee Allen (probable): close proximity to the park. There's a park

[0:35:40] Trustee Allen (probable): there. Mount Jeffrey Park.

[0:35:46] Trustee Allen (probable): No matter when it's...

[0:35:50] Trustee Allen (probable): Do you want to include that?

[0:35:51] Voice 9: I'm just going

[0:35:53] Voice 9: to... Would you like

[0:35:55] Voice 9: to see a map

[0:35:57] Voice 9: with the park layers to check?

[0:35:59] Voice 9: I'm just...

[0:36:03] Voice 9: Maybe that's not helpful.

[0:36:07] Voice 4: Right beside P-U-A

[0:36:09] Voice 4: is E-P-1. I'm looking at it

[0:36:11] Voice 4: here.

[0:36:24] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, it's still close

[0:36:25] Trustee Allen (probable): proximity to the park.

[0:36:43] Voice 2: And so I know that

[0:36:44] Voice 2: that

[0:36:44] Voice 3: we sort of stopped partway

[0:36:46] Voice 3: through your edit

[0:36:48] Voice 3: of item C there.

[0:36:51] Voice 3: We got to home

[0:36:52] Voice 2: to many

[0:36:55] Voice 2: wildlife.

[0:37:03] Voice 9: Maybe I can, maybe

[0:37:04] Voice 9: in close proximity

[0:37:05] Voice 8: to adjacent

[0:37:06] Voice 9: public use areas or

[0:37:07] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:37:11] Trustee Allen (probable): Is it adjacent public use? What's that?

[0:37:13] Trustee Allen (probable): Adjacent public use? What?

[0:37:16] Trustee Allen (probable): You changed it. And environmentally

[0:37:17] Voice 9: sensitive areas? I mean, is that what

[0:37:20] Voice 9: I'm just trying to help with the

[0:37:21] Voice 9: You got

[0:37:22] Trustee Allen (probable): it in close proximity

[0:37:23] Trustee Allen (probable): to adjacent public use

[0:37:25] Trustee Allen (probable): park? The park? What's that?

[0:37:33] Trustee Allen (probable): Adjacent park?

[0:37:39] Trustee Allen (probable): Which is home to wildlife and migratory

[0:37:41] Trustee Allen (probable): bird groups.

[0:37:45] Voice 9: Somebody dictate that.

[0:37:47] Voice 9: Somebody dictate that.

[0:37:49] Voice 9: I will. Alex, go for it.

[0:37:51] Trustee Allen (probable): Okay, C. Concerns over the

[0:37:53] Trustee Allen (probable): effects of the tower on wildlife

[0:37:55] Trustee Allen (probable): given location

[0:37:57] Trustee Allen (probable): in close proximity to the

[0:38:00] Trustee Allen (probable): adjacent park, which is home to

[0:38:02] Trustee Allen (probable): wildlife and migratory

[0:38:04] Trustee Allen (probable): bird groups.

[0:38:05] Trustee Allen (probable): so excellent sorry ian

[0:38:12] Voice 3: great home home to wildlife i think

[0:38:16] Voice 2: yes and

[0:38:23] Voice 3: i just want to take a moment thank

[0:38:25] Voice 3: you ian i i know this is uh uh nobody's favorite task so i i appreciate your forbearance with us

[0:38:33] Voice 3: here um anything else trustees specific wording i see trustee alan um

[0:38:41] Trustee Allen (probable): sorry no i got something

[0:38:42] Trustee Allen (probable): regarding the next point uh

[0:38:45] Voice 3: the next item on the agenda yeah okay yeah well let's wait let's wait

[0:38:51] Voice 3: until we're we're finished with this trustee scott yeah

[0:38:55] Voice 4: number a i think it would be better to say

[0:38:58] Voice 4: um the local trust committee supports the proposed proposed proposal for the forthcoming proposal

[0:39:07] Voice 4: Proposal from Hi-C for community housing.

[0:39:16] Voice 4: It's just very cumbersome wording.

[0:39:22] Voice 4: Yeah, I agree.

[0:39:26] Voice 4: Supports the proposal for community housing

[0:39:28] Voice 4: forthcoming from Hi-C.

[0:39:31] Voice 4: At

[0:39:40] Trustee Allen (probable): that location or something, right?

[0:39:44] Trustee Allen (probable): You had to say something else about the location?

[0:39:46] Voice 4: But that's implied.

[0:39:47] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, not really.

[0:39:48] Voice 4: That's implied everywhere.

[0:39:49] Voice 3: On the subject parcel.

[0:39:51] Voice 3: I think on the subject parcel, then it's very clear.

[0:39:54] Voice 3: I like that wording.

[0:39:55] Voice 4: Are you okay with that wording?

[0:39:57] Voice 4: To me, that would be in the heading.

[0:39:58] Voice 4: It says the low address to have a problem for the school.

[0:40:02] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah, we've added location to the B and C,

[0:40:07] Trustee Allen (probable): just another word.

[0:40:28] Voice 3: Okay, how are we liking it now, trustees?

[0:40:33] Voice 2: Looking good.

[0:40:40] Voice 3: Okay, are we happy enough with this?

[0:40:44] Voice 3: Would one of you like to make this as a motion?

[0:40:47] Trustee Allen (probable): Maybe the following concerns that colon

[0:40:50] Trustee Allen (probable): and A, D, B, yeah, just add that.

[0:40:58] Trustee Allen (probable): And then D and E, put the in front of location.

[0:41:10] Voice 4: And B should be, there has been substantial community opposition

[0:41:19] Voice 4: to community teller in this location.

[0:41:23] Voice 3: Except for it has been received by the LTC.

[0:41:27] Voice 3: So if we leave that as it was,

[0:41:30] Voice 3: it would have said substantial community opposition

[0:41:33] Voice 3: okay now it's been

[0:41:36] Voice 3: never mind

[0:41:39] Voice 3: I

[0:41:41] Voice 3: yeah

[0:41:41] Voice 3: substantial community opposition

[0:41:45] Voice 3: yeah

[0:41:46] Voice 3: substantial community opposition to

[0:41:49] Voice 3: communication in this tower

[0:41:50] Voice 3: in this location has been received by

[0:41:53] Voice 3: the LTC and so

[0:41:55] Voice 3: there that's

[0:41:57] Voice 3: why it didn't have there has been

[0:41:59] Voice 3: it has been

[0:42:01] Voice 3: been received by the ltc is how it ends i

[0:42:04] Voice 4: mean we could well every every other one's okay except

[0:42:07] Voice 4: that one it says the following lcs the ltc has received yeah something like that that the the

[0:42:18] Voice 4: ltc has perceived something like that yeah yeah

[0:42:22] Trustee Allen (probable): the holcc has received substantial community

[0:42:25] Trustee Allen (probable): the opposite yeah that's

[0:42:26] Voice 4: it not taking off the end area okay are

[0:42:32] Voice 3: we happy over there yeah

[0:42:34] Voice 7: okay

[0:42:37] Voice 3: are we happy enough for someone to make a motion yeah

[0:42:41] Trustee Allen (probable): i move to the hornby hornby island local

[0:42:48] Trustee Allen (probable): trust committee direct staff to include in response and any response to a referral for

[0:42:52] Trustee Allen (probable): the province of pc regarding the rogers communications tower proposal the following

[0:42:56] Trustee Allen (probable): concerns. A. The Hornby Island LTC supports a proposal for community housing or coming from

[0:43:03] Trustee Allen (probable): high-seek in this location. B. The LTC has received substantial community opposition to

[0:43:10] Trustee Allen (probable): communications tower in this location. C. The LTC has concerns over the effects of the tower

[0:43:15] Trustee Allen (probable): on wildlife given the location close proximity to the adjacent park which is home to wildlife

[0:43:20] Trustee Allen (probable): and migratory bird routes. The location is too close to public facilities, school, playground,

[0:43:26] Trustee Allen (probable): ground health clinic ballpark

[0:43:27] Voice 8: to

[0:43:29] Trustee Allen (probable): me yeah etc and then maybe colon semicolon and e the location is

[0:43:37] Trustee Allen (probable): too close to existing housing so

[0:43:46] Voice 3: moved and would you like to second that trustee scott i will

[0:43:52] Voice 4: all

[0:43:54] Voice 3: right moved and seconded and uh any discussion all

[0:44:03] Voice 1: right then i'll call the question all those

[0:44:05] Voice 1: in favor and

[0:44:09] Voice 3: that carries unanimously well thanks everybody and thanks for bearing with us ian uh

[0:44:16] Voice 3: through that part um i think that's that's good that we got that laid out um sort of as a

[0:44:28] Voice 3: contingency in in case there's any difficulty in the timing which it sounds like it's maybe

[0:44:35] Voice 3: Maybe going to be a little bit better in terms of what we heard from Planner Cox today.

[0:44:45] Voice 3: So the next item is the Local Trust Committee's response to the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement Corporation

[0:44:51] Voice 3: and the Local Housing Society's request to amend the bylaws governing the public use zone.

[0:44:59] Voice 3: own and as you know we've had we had a request at the april 26th meeting for us to consider

[0:45:09] Voice 3: uh amending that and i did get a draft um motion which uh staff uh helped out with a bit there and

[0:45:26] Voice 3: and Planner Cox can probably get that up for us.

[0:45:30] Voice 3: But while that's happening, I think trustees,

[0:45:36] Voice 3: we all understand what the request is,

[0:45:38] Voice 3: is to change that little section

[0:45:42] Voice 3: to explicitly permit community housing, right?

[0:45:46] Voice 3: Any thoughts, Trustee Allen?

[0:45:49] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, I just wanna let you know

[0:45:50] Trustee Allen (probable): that I got an email from Catherine Ronan

[0:45:52] Trustee Allen (probable): who's unable to chat with us,

[0:45:54] Trustee Allen (probable): But the application is now almost complete, just one more page, and it'll be completed by Friday.

[0:46:02] Voice 3: So that's great news.

[0:46:05] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah.

[0:46:10] Voice 4: We see the wording, Tim.

[0:46:15] Voice 3: Yeah, go ahead, Ian.

[0:46:17] Voice 9: Yeah, absolutely.

[0:46:18] Voice 9: Through the chair, I can certainly put that up.

[0:46:19] Voice 9: I just had one quick question as to whether trustees wanted to continue that discussion or discussion about their bylaw about the permitted uses in the zone or whether that's just because the, well, I'll put the resolution up.

[0:46:33] Voice 9: It's more general in nature, right?

[0:46:35] Voice 9: So the specific, the technical thing of how, what would actually need to be amended and all that could be done, you know, like doing draft bylaws or as a report to the LTC, which could be considered later.

[0:46:47] Voice 9: so you may want to i'm happy to provide any

[0:46:49] Voice 7: information you like

[0:46:50] Voice 9: but you don't necessarily

[0:46:51] Voice 9: have to hash that out today in order to uh provide the support okay so uh here it is

[0:47:01] Voice 3: yeah and thank thank you for that um because i i agree we we can send a letter of support

[0:47:08] Voice 3: and uh we don't have to go through all the details of how the mechanics of how we'll be

[0:47:14] Voice 3: done it today um so i'll just note that there's a couple brackets that could be removed there those

[0:47:24] Voice 3: were um those were staff suggestions just to make sure that we're the wording of of this doesn't uh

[0:47:33] Voice 3: better our discretion which i think is is wise and well-received advice so there i'll give everyone a

[0:47:40] Voice 3: moment to read that but that's i think that covers the uh request from high seek from my perspective

[0:47:50] Voice 3: um i

[0:47:59] Voice 4: think it should be a tim go ahead sir i think it could be slightly stronger if it said

[0:48:06] Voice 4: stating the ltc intends to amend oranby island land use bylaw not intense to consider amending

[0:48:17] Voice 4: but intends to amend because i think that's been well understood that we okay and

[0:48:24] Voice 3: and uh so in

[0:48:27] Voice 3: response that trustee scott uh of course we can we can make the motion however we want um i i did

[0:48:35] Voice 3: uh i would initially write it without that consider in there okay however um because we're

[0:48:42] Voice 3: are not supposed to fetter our discretion.

[0:48:45] Voice 3: The staff advice is that if we put the word consider

[0:48:48] Voice 3: in there, it doesn't change our intent,

[0:48:53] Voice 3: but it doesn't tend to fetter our discretion

[0:48:58] Voice 3: in a way that might be inappropriate

[0:49:01] Voice 3: if we're presented with new information, et cetera.

[0:49:05] Voice 3: So that's why that consider is offered there.

[0:49:10] Voice 3: And Trustee Allen, I saw your hand up, go ahead.

[0:49:13] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, I'm just wondering whether this should actually be followed 3.3, because this is when we're going to be discussing permitted uses in the public use zone.

[0:49:23] Trustee Allen (probable): And I'll be bringing up what the APC had recommended to add community trades and services, including associated retail, as well as community workforce housing.

[0:49:33] Trustee Allen (probable): and then okay well

[0:49:37] Voice 3: at the at the will of the committee we could we could skip up to the third

[0:49:42] Voice 3: item and then come back to this if you want to have that discussion first that's fine by me

[0:49:46] Voice 3: trustee scott well just

[0:49:49] Voice 3: on this

[0:49:49] Voice 4: um that consider um should be in there on second sober second

[0:49:58] Voice 4: thought and it

[0:50:02] Voice 4: should say community housing not workforce housing community is more is broader

[0:50:10] Voice 4: that would include workforce community it could be elder housing i mean let's let's not limit us

[0:50:17] Voice 4: to sure

[0:50:20] Voice 3: i'm fine with that i was going with the words from high seek but as as trustee allen

[0:50:25] Voice 3: pointed out we haven't had the broader conversation and i actually do support maybe let's going into

[0:50:31] Voice 3: that let's go into that a little bit and then we'll come back to that if that's are you all

[0:50:36] Voice 3: with that trustee scott okay yeah thanks okay so let's do that let's jump ahead to the

[0:50:42] Voice 3: additional permitted uses in the public zone uh part of the conversation and then we can come back

[0:50:49] Voice 3: to that that motion so trustee allen you uh you had a piece for us there well

[0:50:57] Trustee Allen (probable): the apc

[0:50:58] Trustee Allen (probable): recommendations brought this up and we should basically make the uh spark workspace legal

[0:51:06] Trustee Allen (probable): Because they're not legal with what's going on right now with our zoning.

[0:51:09] Trustee Allen (probable): So if we include E, community trades and services, including associated retail, and F,

[0:51:18] Trustee Allen (probable): community workforce housing.

[0:51:22] Trustee Allen (probable): And I have to say, Grant, in terms of Trustee Scott, it is a high-seeked wording, the workforce, and I'm not sure whether their intent is just for workforce only.

[0:51:35] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm not sure.

[0:51:37] Trustee Allen (probable): That's where I'm coming from.

[0:51:39] Voice 4: Well, I find community housing would include workforce housing, so I think we're well within what I see as recommending.

[0:51:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:51:50] Voice 3: And I would say that it's up to us, but we could also choose to say community and workforce, or we could say community, which includes workforce.

[0:52:01] Voice 3: Yeah, that's good.

[0:52:02] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:52:03] Voice 3: And I'll just note, we're not going to, and Planner Cox has pointed out that community housing is some wording that's in the existing bylaw.

[0:52:14] Voice 3: But we're not going to actually change the bylaw today at any rate.

[0:52:20] Voice 3: What we might be considering to doing is directing staff to give us some reporting on what that might look like.

[0:52:32] Voice 3: So, Trustee Scott?

[0:52:37] Voice 4: Yeah, I've got the map in front of me and the bylaws, the PUA regulation.

[0:52:45] Voice 4: And it seems to me that since the proposed site is in the PUA zone, the wording should be in the PUA site-specific regulations for the PUA zone.

[0:53:06] Voice 4: So, Tim, is that not so?

[0:53:09] Voice 4: Ian, sorry.

[0:53:11] Voice 4: Yeah, we're going to go to Planner Cox.

[0:53:13] Voice 9: That's okay, through the chair.

[0:53:14] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm just going to bring in, not to derail the LTC's discussion, but this kind of thing is like what High Seek has presented in terms of their proposal, that's fine.

[0:53:27] Voice 9: They have a suggestion about how the zoning could be amended, but we really need to look at, because there's two things.

[0:53:32] Voice 9: Do you want to outright permit community housing in, you know, and other uses that you may consider adding to the zone, like in both zones, the PUA and the other one, or you just want to add community housing to PUA?

[0:53:47] Voice 9: So that's a whole technical sort of bylaw thing that staff can bring forward as options.

[0:53:51] Voice 9: So I think it might be useful to, you know, direct staff to bring back a report on what the LTC would like to consider actually doing.

[0:54:10] Voice 9: Like, what's really the intent of this potential amendment, right, on both of these pieces?

[0:54:18] Voice 9: and then we can kind of look at the LTC can consider its options but but there's

[0:54:26] Voice 9: a big difference between adding all of those uses that are listed in the site

[0:54:35] Voice 9: specific zone like adding it to the general zone right as opposed to just

[0:54:41] Voice 9: adding community housing to the PUA zone there's a big difference in that that

[0:54:46] Voice 9: that would mean all of those used to be permitted on both pieces of that

[0:54:50] Voice 9: parcel versus, you know, so does that make sense?

[0:54:54] Voice 9: Okay. Yeah.

[0:54:55] Voice 4: I don't think we're not, we're not suggesting that. I don't think.

[0:55:00] Voice 4: I think

[0:55:01] Trustee Allen (probable): we're talking to go to trustee Allen.

[0:55:03] Trustee Allen (probable): Excuse me. Well,

[0:55:04] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm under the impression we're talking specifically about PUA only,

[0:55:09] Trustee Allen (probable): which that's right.

[0:55:10] Trustee Allen (probable): Which is the community trades and services associated retail.

[0:55:13] Trustee Allen (probable): who would allow SPARC to be legally conforming

[0:55:18] Trustee Allen (probable): and the community workforce housing under PUA only,

[0:55:23] Trustee Allen (probable): no area, not across the road.

[0:55:27] Voice 3: Okay, it sounds like both trustees

[0:55:30] Voice 3: are on the same page there, which is helpful.

[0:55:34] Voice 3: And then in terms of process,

[0:55:37] Voice 3: what I would imagine would be desirable

[0:55:43] Voice 3: from a staff point of view is a motion

[0:55:45] Voice 3: motion uh requesting some reporting from staff on um essentially on the mechanics of making that

[0:55:54] Voice 3: that change does that sound right planter cops correct

[0:56:02] Voice 9: yes and at the moment we have

[0:56:06] Voice 9: um your major project ocpl uv review your minor heritage register project so there'd have to be

[0:56:15] Voice 9: some can you

[0:56:17] Voice 4: hold off on there hold

[0:56:18] Voice 4: off on there please yeah um for a second are we not

[0:56:26] Voice 4: simply suggesting for what i seek wants for what the community wants for what the housing

[0:56:32] Voice 4: people want is to we've already got community housing in in the pu zone that we simply add in

[0:56:39] Voice 4: in the PUA zone the two points. One is

[0:56:43] Voice 4: the spark to legalize and normalize

[0:56:47] Voice 4: the spark, and two is to say

[0:56:51] Voice 4: that in the PUA zone, community

[0:56:58] Voice 4: housing and workforce housing are allowed.

[0:57:02] Voice 4: That's it. It seems quite simple to me.

[0:57:08] Voice 9: It's a

[0:57:09] Voice 9: pretty clear direction that is at this point. However,

[0:57:12] Voice 9: However, the LTC still needs to go through the process of doing the public piece.

[0:57:17] Voice 9: If you're amending a bylaw, you have to go through, you know, putting this out to public comments and having that input or not.

[0:57:22] Voice 9: So, yes, although right now it appears that the LTC's direction is pretty clear, we still need to go through that process of, you know, doing that.

[0:57:31] Voice 9: And that means that staff's time on your other major project and your housing, you know, sorry, your heritage register project, you know, it's time, right?

[0:57:41] Voice 9: Right. Time and budget. So that's all staff is saying.

[0:57:44] Voice 9: Yeah. And the public input piece is really important, obviously, as part of a bylaw amendment process.

[0:57:50] Voice 9: So you want to make sure that the community is, if that indeed is the direction, that the community is comfortable with that and that there's a discussion had about that.

[0:58:06] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you. And that's certainly the process.

[0:58:09] Voice 3: it looks to me as though we've dropped um trustee allen uh has fallen out of the meeting

[0:58:17] Voice 3: so i see

[0:58:18] Voice 3: him reconnecting there so but i did i do want to have him be part of the conversation

[0:58:25] Trustee Allen (probable): okay i'm back that was weird somebody bounced me yeah yeah okay

[0:58:29] Voice 3: so trustee scott you had something

[0:58:31] Voice 3: to add

[0:58:31] Trustee Allen (probable): did anybody you were frozen did you hear what i just said sorry before you no

[0:58:36] Voice 3: i just sorry

[0:58:37] Voice 3: Sorry, Trustee Allen.

[0:58:38] Voice 3: You seem to have dropped from our end.

[0:58:40] Voice 3: It looked like you dropped right out of the meeting.

[0:58:43] Trustee Allen (probable): Okay, well, that was in the middle of me just saying that I was under the impression that these are minor amendments that could be included in our OCP charter already, what we're doing.

[0:58:54] Trustee Allen (probable): So I don't see how this could be an added burden.

[0:58:58] Trustee Allen (probable): Yes.

[0:58:59] Trustee Allen (probable): That's all.

[0:59:01] Voice 9: Yep.

[0:59:01] Voice 9: So through the chair, absolutely, that could be a possibility.

[0:59:05] Voice 9: I, we're just, I'm just being, you know, I just don't want to promise, I just want to go check

[0:59:13] Voice 9: with that, look at the project charter and, and Planner Zubinets can bring back a report on that.

[0:59:17] Voice 9: And that may well be the case. I'm not suggesting that it's necessarily going to be overly

[0:59:22] Voice 9: administratively burdensome, but we do need to just look and look into that. That's all,

[0:59:27] Voice 9: especially for the public process part of it. So yes, it, it may very well be able to, I mean,

[0:59:31] Voice 9: in the, your, your project includes housing in it.

[0:59:34] Voice 9: So that may very well be the case.

[0:59:37] Voice 9: It's sort of a question to be,

[0:59:39] Voice 9: to be blunt as to the amount of time there is between, you know,

[0:59:44] Voice 9: now and draft bylaws for, for a number of your,

[0:59:48] Voice 9: the other issues you're dealing with during that review,

[0:59:50] Voice 9: like vacation rentals and other things like that. Right. So, yeah,

[0:59:54] Voice 9: but it could definitely become part of that. I think.

[0:59:56] Voice 3: Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that.

[1:00:00] Voice 3: And of course, it would be up to the committee here whether we could just request that it gets added to the project charter, unless we want to try and do it as a standalone thing that we're going to prioritize, which is a different direction and would require a reorganizing of staff resources if we were to do that.

[1:00:22] Voice 9: Correct. And it may not. It may fit in with the charter. So staff can go ahead.

[1:00:25] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:00:26] Voice 3: Here in order to

[1:00:27] Voice 3: this conversation, please, because I am sorry. Well, Trustee Scott, I'm going to ask you actually to not speak until I've called on you. I've been actually fairly permissive so far in this meeting, but I would be happy to hear you speak. But please have your hand up and then I'll call on you. So go ahead.

[1:00:48] Voice 3: well i

[1:00:50] Voice 4: had my hand up and planner cox anyway i

[1:00:58] Voice 3: asked a question and he responded to something

[1:01:00] Voice 4: he did and then it came back and forth and back up anyway so this is already part of what we're

[1:01:08] Voice 4: supposedly getting our ocp and land use bylaw in in july we're in august of what our third isn't

[1:01:18] Voice 4: so this is part as i see it is part of that is that not so uh

[1:01:27] Voice 3: well what i think we're hearing

[1:01:28] Voice 3: from our planner is that he needs to to check in and make sure that um that this is going to

[1:01:35] Voice 3: fit in smoothly and isn't going to sort of disrupt the timeline and the plan um and that uh i think

[1:01:43] Voice 3: that in as a general rule when we want to add something to a project charter um we need to

[1:01:49] Voice 3: to make a motion to that effect so uh we didn't have this specifically in there and since we want

[1:01:58] Voice 3: if we're if we're considering doing the specific change uh then we should uh we should do so by

[1:02:05] Voice 3: motion then that gives staff direction and they they can report back to us on on

[1:02:11] Voice 1: whether it fits

[1:02:12] Voice 1: in what we've already got or whether we need to consider how to prioritize so

[1:02:29] Voice 3: uh at this point

[1:02:35] Voice 3: we can have more discussion

[1:02:37] Voice 3: or we can have a motion to

[1:02:40] Voice 3: amend the project charter

[1:02:42] Voice 3: the OCP LUB

[1:02:44] Voice 3: by adding this piece in

[1:02:46] Voice 3: or how are we at trustees?

[1:02:49] Voice 3: Trustee Allen.

[1:02:51] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[1:02:52] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm trying to find our

[1:02:53] Trustee Allen (probable): the project charter

[1:02:55] Trustee Allen (probable): and I can't find it as usual

[1:02:57] Trustee Allen (probable): but I seem to remember that

[1:02:59] Trustee Allen (probable): that particular

[1:03:01] Trustee Allen (probable): clear there thank you ian great all right um all right it's not there i thought it was sort of down

[1:03:18] Trustee Allen (probable): at the bottom there but it's not that's the chickens and the roosters so

[1:03:26] Voice 3: i would suggest that

[1:03:28] Voice 3: uh can you sir i would suggest that the motion would be something to the effect of

[1:03:38] Voice 3: um that the ltc amend the project charter by adding to the in scope section consideration

[1:03:49] Voice 3: of pua zoning if that's enough for staff and we could be more specific as required

[1:04:02] Voice 3: required

[1:04:02] Trustee Allen (probable): for that additional permitted juices in PU zoning PUA

[1:04:08] Voice 3: additional permitted use of

[1:04:09] Voice 3: PUA zoning yeah okay something to that effect yeah yeah yeah I want

[1:04:20] Trustee Allen (probable): us to repeat that uh

[1:04:21] Trustee Allen (probable): minor clocks uh

[1:04:25] Voice 9: it's more for the minutes actually for Lisa I'm I understand the direction I just uh

[1:04:29] Voice 9: through the chair that it does your can you see this highlighted section here with the in scope

[1:04:35] Voice 9: it does include supportive cooperative and purpose-built rental housing so that it is

[1:04:40] Voice 9: it is included in there um might hesitate like the only the only thing is the timing and with

[1:04:46] Voice 9: in the absence of like planners or bonanza's not here who's who's at the moment um her staff time

[1:04:53] Voice 9: is is on this project and so i just out of an abundance of caution i just wanted to to to check

[1:05:00] Voice 9: that but if the LTC wants to direct specifically that staff get going on an

[1:05:07] Voice 9: amendment to this to this zone in scope here then then you may do so okay

[1:05:23] Voice 3: trustee Allen are you writing or do you want me to wing it I

[1:05:26] Trustee Allen (probable): was hoping that the

[1:05:27] Trustee Allen (probable): minute taker might have something but maybe not

[1:05:31] Voice 5: yes I do

[1:05:33] Voice 5: read you what I have

[1:05:34] Voice 5: so far through the chair that the hornby island local trust committee direct staff to amend the

[1:05:40] Voice 5: project charter by adding to the in scope section consideration of additional permitted uses in the

[1:05:47] Voice 5: pua zone that's

[1:05:52] Voice 3: sounds like where we're going that sounds good to me trustee allen do you want to

[1:05:56] Voice 3: move

[1:05:56] Trustee Allen (probable): that whether we have to be more specific in terms of community trades and services and

[1:06:01] Trustee Allen (probable): community workforce housing or do we leave it just like that does the staff need more they do need

[1:06:09] Trustee Allen (probable): more direction

[1:06:09] Voice 9: so through the chair this is

[1:06:11] Voice 9: part of the re yeah through the chair this is part of

[1:06:14] Voice 9: the reason that um i was suggesting that um it was left more general because this is part of

[1:06:22] Voice 9: you know um the ltc is going to have to decide whether whether um whether this is specific to

[1:06:32] Voice 9: hmm uh i've lost my train of thought part sorry about that um i'm just looking at

[1:06:45] Trustee Allen (probable): the housing

[1:06:47] Trustee Allen (probable): only or is it whether it's specific to the pua zone right

[1:06:54] Voice 9: so through the chair so the the project

[1:06:56] Voice 9: you know the scope of the project is is ocb leb amendments to support those things but whether

[1:07:02] Voice 9: this is in direct support of a particular project is sort of the question right in a way so um so

[1:07:10] Voice 9: not having spent my time on that project um and on the draft bylaws as of yet as of yet

[1:07:18] Voice 9: i don't know how specific that's getting like those amendments will be so i apologize that

[1:07:25] Voice 9: i don't have that info but that's part of my caution on um on on you know suggesting just

[1:07:32] Voice 9: adding this to this project charter and getting going through the process of the ltc adopting yet

[1:07:37] Voice 9: another iteration of the project charter before i before i can check with um with our other staff

[1:07:44] Voice 9: about whether that's an an easy thing to add or not does that make sense um

[1:07:49] Voice 3: okay so if i think

[1:07:51] Voice 3: think i'm hearing i think if i'm hearing you right what you're suggesting is that we

[1:07:56] Voice 3: don't include adding or adding to the project charter or amending the project charter in the

[1:08:01] Voice 3: motion is is that correct i

[1:08:08] Trustee Allen (probable): interpreted it differently okay

[1:08:12] Voice 3: tell me how you interpreted it

[1:08:13] Trustee Allen (probable): i interpreted that is this particular motion by adding this project charter specific only to the

[1:08:21] Trustee Allen (probable): high seek housing supporting that only or is it in housing in general in this location maybe i'm

[1:08:31] Trustee Allen (probable): wrong that's how i interpreted it planner cogs okay

[1:08:38] Voice 9: yeah through the chair i think it's i think

[1:08:40] Voice 9: it's something that i can discuss with planners you pronounce who's the project planner on this

[1:08:44] Voice 9: but it will it will have implications for the timing of your draft bylaws that that's that's

[1:08:49] Voice 9: really the bottom line of it i think if because this particular thing wasn't identified in the

[1:08:56] Voice 9: the project charter specifically to amend this particular zone for this project it's not

[1:09:01] Voice 9: necessarily included now whether or not that can just be um included now fairly easily is something

[1:09:08] Voice 9: that i would like to speak to planners minutes about as the project planner as in the regional

[1:09:14] Voice 9: planning team that's that's really what i'm saying i'm not saying it can't be done but um

[1:09:18] Voice 9: Um, if you decide at this point to go super specific on it, I'm just, I have a question

[1:09:27] Voice 9: and again, uh, manager jammer, it's not here either.

[1:09:30] Voice 9: So, um, you know, this is just something I'd want to run by, um, uh, the senior planner

[1:09:37] Voice 9: and the manager, whether or not this would, you know, if you want to go really, really

[1:09:41] Voice 9: specific on this, whether you'd have to make a project out of it, it's, it, it may not

[1:09:45] Voice 9: need to.

[1:09:46] Voice 9: I just have that question and I don't feel right giving you a super clear answer without their concurrence. Does that make sense?

[1:09:58] Voice 3: Understood. Understood. I appreciate that. Trustee Allen?

[1:10:03] Trustee Allen (probable): Well, how can we make it, you know, helpful for you, Leonard Cox, in terms of, because we don't want this, I don't want this to go away.

[1:10:12] Trustee Allen (probable): we need to have this. So what kind of motion, just to have

[1:10:17] Trustee Allen (probable): a general motion, a specific motion, what is best for

[1:10:20] Trustee Allen (probable): to keep this moving ahead?

[1:10:28] Voice 9: Through the chair, I don't want to speak before Trustee Scott has had his hand up

[1:10:33] Voice 9: before, but I'll quickly answer then that

[1:10:36] Voice 9: I think you could make a motion to explore including this

[1:10:40] Voice 9: in your major project. And I will take that.

[1:10:43] Voice 9: And if that's possible, then we can move forward and present draft bylaws accordingly, or if it needs to be separated out for some reason, I think we can do that.

[1:10:54] Voice 9: So if the LTC just directs us to explore including it in the project, I think that should work. It's clear direction.

[1:11:02] Voice 4: Okay, thank you. Trustee Scott?

[1:11:05] Voice 4: Yes, thank you. Since this is already recommended by the APC, it's been in the works now for a considerable length of time.

[1:11:13] Voice 4: uh planner if you need to go back and talk to your senior folks that's fine but i don't think

[1:11:23] Voice 4: we need a motion here today to direct any of that i i think we're covering off our responsibility

[1:11:30] Voice 4: here and uh let's get on with it

[1:11:40] Voice 2: okay so we

[1:11:41] Voice 3: don't have uh i'll just check in uh lisa did we we

[1:11:47] Voice 3: didn't we didn't actually get that motion made and seconded or anything yet did we we just had

[1:11:52] Voice 3: we discussed it is that correct it

[1:11:54] Voice 5: has not been moved or seconded okay

[1:11:58] Voice 3: so what if what i'm hearing

[1:12:00] Voice 3: from planner cox is that um if we add uh something to the effect of uh to direct staff to explore

[1:12:14] Voice 3: including uh those amendments in the project rather than um rather than amending the project

[1:12:28] Voice 3: charter that that's enough direction but not to not so specific that it doesn't

[1:12:35] Voice 3: leave the leeway trustee Alan yes

[1:12:39] Trustee Allen (probable): thank you I'm just wondering whether um I

[1:12:43] Trustee Allen (probable): guess it's too late we can take some away and add this because this is really

[1:12:46] Trustee Allen (probable): you know this is one of those things that appear that really time that time

[1:12:54] Trustee Allen (probable): wise it's it's very crucial it's a it's a it's a heavy need housing we've got

[1:13:00] Trustee Allen (probable): this opportunity, we've got this parcel of land that's been looked at, and I just, I don't want

[1:13:06] Trustee Allen (probable): it to just be explored per se, you know. I have many concerns that this, oh we don't have enough

[1:13:12] Trustee Allen (probable): time, we're gonna have to deal with this. And so this is my concern, that it's crucial, the timing

[1:13:20] Trustee Allen (probable): is crucial right now for this. So in terms of exploring, including as the major project,

[1:13:27] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm not sure I want it to be emphasized that this is really an important thing in Hornby

[1:13:33] Trustee Allen (probable): okay

[1:13:39] Voice 3: well um I mean it it is a possible it's possible that we could make it its own project

[1:13:48] Voice 3: um and make it the top priority which would necessarily push all the rest of it back but

[1:13:55] Voice 3: that's uh that's a a discussion we could have in a decision we could make I'm gonna make a trusty

[1:14:03] Voice 3: Alan yeah I'm gonna make a motion

[1:14:05] Voice 3: um

[1:14:06] Trustee Allen (probable): please do because this is the best we can do because I'm

[1:14:13] Trustee Allen (probable): hearing um Planner Cox's concerns because he doesn't you know Sonia and Rene are not here

[1:14:18] Trustee Allen (probable): so um I move that the Hornby Island LTC requests staff to explore including uh the public

[1:14:35] Trustee Allen (probable): adding community trades and services and community workforce housing to the public use

[1:14:45] Trustee Allen (probable): a zone to the mart in the major uh sorry in the major project charter

[1:14:55] Voice 9: yep through the chair i would say it um in uh as part of uh however you want to

[1:15:05] Voice 9: say this but as part of the as part of the major project um um

[1:15:11] Voice 9: included in the draft bylaws yeah okay

[1:15:14] Voice 9: which like you've already directed staff to draft bylaws so

[1:15:19] Trustee Allen (probable): okay thank you uh for any minute including the draft bylaws uh i guess i'll we'll hear from the

[1:15:27] Trustee Allen (probable): minute taker yeah

[1:15:28] Voice 3: whether she can't yeah let's let's check in with lisa and see what she's got

[1:15:31] Voice 3: for us there for

[1:15:34] Voice 5: the chair i've got that the hornby island local trust committee requests staff

[1:15:40] Voice 5: to explore adding public community trades and services and community workforce housing to the

[1:15:48] Voice 5: public use a zone in the major project charter including the draft bylaws all

[1:15:57] Voice 3: right that sounds

[1:15:59] Voice 3: like it's captured it uh so moved uh trustee scott do you care to second the motion

[1:16:07] Voice 4: i'd like to see it on the screen here first place certainly

[1:16:11] Voice 3: we can do that just

[1:16:14] Voice 3: wait a moment, and Lisa,

[1:16:16] Voice 3: if you can get that up on our screen, that'd be great.

[1:16:18] Voice 5: Yeah, it'll just take me a moment.

[1:16:21] Voice 5: No problem.

[1:17:10] Voice 5: I think I lost a word, but I'm just

[1:17:12] Voice 5: going to get it up here for you.

[1:17:56] Voice 5: Do you see that yet?

[1:18:02] Voice 3: Can I refer me?

[1:18:03] Trustee Allen (probable): We

[1:18:03] Voice 3: had it a moment ago.

[1:18:05] Trustee Allen (probable): Okay.

[1:18:06] Voice 3: Yeah, I see it down there.

[1:18:08] Trustee Allen (probable): Can I just change something?

[1:18:10] Voice 3: There we go.

[1:18:12] Trustee Allen (probable): Sure,

[1:18:13] Voice 3: it hasn't been seconded yet. Go ahead.

[1:18:15] Trustee Allen (probable): The Hornbeam and LC request

[1:18:16] Trustee Allen (probable): staff to explore

[1:18:17] Trustee Allen (probable): Or adding additional permitted uses in the public use capital A zone, community trades and services, and community workforce housing in the major project charter.

[1:18:41] Trustee Allen (probable): Oh, what? Included in the bylaws? Sorry, in the bylaws.

[1:18:50] Trustee Allen (probable): Including...

[1:18:50] Trustee Allen (probable): Included in the bylaws in the major project charter? No, in the major project bylaws? Sorry.

[1:18:57] Voice 4: In the major project charter, it should be up at the beginning that they request staff to include in the major project charter the following.

[1:19:08] Voice 3: Well, now hold on a minute before we get too far here, because including draft bylaws, I believe, is what we heard from Planner Cox, because the draft bylaws are being worked on.

[1:19:23] Voice 3: yeah in

[1:19:26] Trustee Allen (probable): the major project charter draft bylaws get rid of including okay

[1:19:33] Voice 3: and

[1:19:39] Trustee Allen (probable): then public use

[1:19:40] Trustee Allen (probable): capital p and a couple u as in use okay

[1:19:49] Voice 3: are you happy with that trustees and does that look good

[1:19:52] Voice 3: to you planner cox uses

[1:19:59] Voice 4: scott i think it should be community and trades and services the community

[1:20:06] Voice 4: Community housing.

[1:20:09] Voice 4: It should say community housing and community workforce.

[1:20:20] Trustee Allen (probable): There's two specific things.

[1:20:22] Trustee Allen (probable): It says

[1:20:22] Voice 3: community workforce housing.

[1:20:25] Trustee Allen (probable): And there's community workforce housing.

[1:20:26] Trustee Allen (probable): There's two separate things, and they're captured there, as well as permitted uses, not used in the public.

[1:20:38] Trustee Allen (probable): Sorry, Grant, what are you saying?

[1:20:40] Voice 4: Well, community housing is one statement in here.

[1:20:47] Voice 4: And then, as we talked about earlier, the workforce housing is something potentially set different.

[1:20:57] Voice 4: So we want to make sure we've got both.

[1:21:01] Voice 4: So

[1:21:01] Trustee Allen (probable): you want an and between community and workforce?

[1:21:03] Trustee Allen (probable): It

[1:21:04] Voice 4: should say community and workforce housing.

[1:21:09] Voice 4: Because it sounds to me like it's just...

[1:21:12] Trustee Allen (probable): Okay.

[1:21:13] Trustee Allen (probable): I

[1:21:13] Voice 4: won't say any more.

[1:21:16] Trustee Allen (probable): No, that's good.

[1:21:17] Trustee Allen (probable): and then i just want to just add one more thing sorry just because that's the way it's worded

[1:21:22] Trustee Allen (probable): community trades and services comma including associated retail then and community and workforce

[1:21:32] Trustee Allen (probable): housing there you are that's great thank you lisa okay

[1:21:44] Voice 3: i'm happy with that all right

[1:21:44] Voice 3: right everyone happy with that finish edits hold on a

[1:21:50] Voice 4: second what i understand community trades

[1:22:00] Voice 4: and services including retail you mean you can see a retail store going in somewhere there

[1:22:08] Voice 4: i just see that word retail is completely different than the rest of this that's been

[1:22:16] Trustee Allen (probable): what's been recommended by uh the apc with

[1:22:20] Voice 4: greek has it got retail in it

[1:22:21] Trustee Allen (probable): yeah and that you know

[1:22:24] Trustee Allen (probable): That could capture what's going on at, sorry, the...

[1:22:32] Voice 4: Including Associated Retail.

[1:22:36] Trustee Allen (probable): I think that's covering Spark.

[1:22:41] Trustee Allen (probable): I think that's when it was written as such.

[1:22:45] Trustee Allen (probable): I don't have the history here.

[1:22:50] Trustee Allen (probable): But if you have an issue with that, I'm happy to exclude it.

[1:22:54] Voice 4: Okay, including Associated Retail.

[1:22:56] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:22:57] Voice 4: Okay, that's good.

[1:23:01] Voice 4: Okay, and I see Planner Cox.

[1:23:03] Voice 9: I do.

[1:23:04] Voice 9: I'm sorry to interject here again, but this is part of staff's concern is that, like, for example, retail and other uses in that are not included in your project charter.

[1:23:13] Voice 9: So if you want to, the housing, the housing is very clear, right?

[1:23:16] Voice 9: The objectives and in scope stuff for the project is pretty clear.

[1:23:22] Voice 9: First Nations housing and some select, the wording is select recommendations of the APC.

[1:23:28] Voice 9: But if the LTC wants to bring more issues, you know, and other uses in that, that's going to, that is going to get into the scope of a different project. So I'm just identifying that here. I, you know, I would take this back, this resolution and, and, and, and check with the project planner on this and whether, whether that can be sort of included. But do you understand what I mean? The, you know, is it out of scope of the project charter is the question.

[1:23:59] Voice 9: Just the retail.

[1:24:03] Voice 9: Just the island?

[1:24:04] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm happy to delete, including associated retail.

[1:24:08] Trustee Allen (probable): The Community Trades and Services addresses SPARC, which exists already there.

[1:24:14] Trustee Allen (probable): And, yeah, I'm happy to just delete, including associated retail.

[1:24:18] Trustee Allen (probable): And, yeah.

[1:24:27] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:24:30] Voice 3: So, would you like to make the motion then?

[1:24:34] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah.

[1:24:35] Trustee Allen (probable): I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff explore adding additional permitted uses

[1:24:40] Trustee Allen (probable): is in the public use a zone any trades and service maybe comma after zone community trades and

[1:24:49] Trustee Allen (probable): services and community and workforce housing in the major project charter draft bylaws so moved

[1:24:56] Voice 3: trustee scotty

[1:24:57] Voice 4: seconding but i have a concern yet okay should we do that or

[1:25:06] Voice 4: well

[1:25:08] Voice 3: if it's with the wording of the motion let's do it before it gets seconded

[1:25:12] Voice 3: okay the

[1:25:15] Voice 4: community community trades and services including associated retail is what's in the apc

[1:25:21] Voice 4: recommendation that's what alex was getting at i think yeah so

[1:25:27] Voice 4: will this wording cover it off

[1:25:31] Voice 4: because it's not according to what i understand it's already in the apc page five it's not going

[1:25:38] Voice 4: going to change the project charter then because it's already in there

[1:25:41] Trustee Allen (probable): sorry for

[1:25:44] Voice 4: me

[1:25:45] Trustee Allen (probable): sorry it's my

[1:25:46] Trustee Allen (probable): dog i would also i

[1:25:50] Voice 3: would also just add that this is requesting staff to explore adding additional

[1:25:56] Voice 3: uses staff can come back and say you know what this is a whole nother project i don't think this

[1:26:06] Voice 3: i think there's room for um a bit of nuance here in terms of staff response i think that was the

[1:26:16] Voice 3: whole intent of explore um so i'm i'm not i'm not convinced we have to get this nailed down um uh

[1:26:28] Voice 3: more specifically than it is at this point but it's uh at your pleasure okay i'll second it

[1:26:42] Voice 3: okay so we have a motion on the floor it's been moved and seconded i see oh there comes trusty

[1:26:48] Voice 3: alan looks like he's coming back so any further discussion on the motion not seeing any i'll call

[1:26:56] Voice 3: the question all those in favor and that carries okay so my

[1:27:09] Trustee Allen (probable): dog is whining these things happen

[1:27:15] Voice 3: uh so let's go back then we'll go back to 3.2 which is the local trust committee's response to

[1:27:22] Voice 3: to High Seek now that we've done the broader question.

[1:27:34] Voice 3: And it looks like I think Planner Cox

[1:27:36] Voice 3: is going to bring up the motion that we were considering.

[1:27:43] Voice 3: There it is, thank you.

[1:27:47] Voice 3: So in light of our discussion,

[1:27:50] Voice 3: is there any need to change this motion

[1:27:54] Voice 3: or can we go ahead and have a trustee make it and...

[1:28:02] Trustee Allen (probable): It's badly written.

[1:28:05] Trustee Allen (probable): Stating the it's.

[1:28:09] Voice 2: Stating it's and the the should go.

[1:28:14] Voice 2: Yeah, stating.

[1:28:15] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah.

[1:28:15] Trustee Allen (probable): Delete the.

[1:28:22] Trustee Allen (probable): Intent to consider amendments to.

[1:28:25] Trustee Allen (probable): All right.

[1:28:25] Trustee Allen (probable): Stating.

[1:28:27] Trustee Allen (probable): Stating its intent to consider amendments to the Hormey Island.

[1:28:34] Trustee Allen (probable): I use my law.

[1:28:38] Voice 4: Take out the word the after stating.

[1:28:43] Trustee Allen (probable): And add the word to before the Hormey Island.

[1:28:49] Trustee Allen (probable): I use.

[1:28:50] Trustee Allen (probable): amendments to the

[1:28:55] Voice 5: through the

[1:28:57] Voice 9: chair I think there's some delay because I've

[1:28:59] Voice 9: made those changes but there's some delay

[1:29:01] Voice 9: yeah

[1:29:02] Voice 3: yeah yes this happens

[1:29:05] Voice 3: so we'll just be patient here

[1:29:07] Voice 3: and

[1:29:16] Voice 4: I suppose

[1:29:23] Voice 3: trustee Allen if you wanted to you could make the motion

[1:29:27] Voice 3: as you intend it to read

[1:29:29] Voice 3: while we wait for it to change on the screen

[1:29:32] Voice 3: All

[1:29:34] Trustee Allen (probable): right, I move that the Hornbein Local Trust Committee request

[1:29:39] Voice 3: that a

[1:29:49] Trustee Allen (probable): letter of support be drafted to the Hornbein Community Economic Enhancement Corporation, stating its intent to consider amendments to the Hornbein Community Economic Enhancement Corporation.

[1:30:00] Trustee Allen (probable): island land use bylaw number 150 to support inclusion sorry

[1:30:10] Voice 9: everything crashed all at once

[1:30:13] Voice 9: on my end of

[1:30:22] Trustee Allen (probable): community housing it's a permitted use in the public use of po zone site specific

[1:30:25] Trustee Allen (probable): regulations sorry just before a second a second

[1:30:29] Voice 3: okay uh it's moved and seconded any further

[1:30:34] Voice 3: discussion on the motion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:30:41] Voice 3: and that carries unanimously as well okay well that covers off the items are on our agenda

[1:30:54] Voice 3: and is there anything further we need to discuss um today i

[1:31:02] Trustee Allen (probable): just want to say uh apologies to

[1:31:04] Trustee Allen (probable): planter cox and lisa it's it's been a bit of a jumble here and uh thank you for keeping up with

[1:31:12] Trustee Allen (probable): with us, our jumblist, our jumbling-ness.

[1:31:18] Voice 3: Thank you for that, Trustee Allen.

[1:31:20] Voice 3: I was also going to thank the forbearance of our staff here

[1:31:23] Voice 3: with our on the fly editing and such,

[1:31:26] Voice 3: and appreciate the work that you do

[1:31:29] Voice 3: to support our process here.

[1:31:33] Voice 3: So if there's nothing further,

[1:31:35] Voice 3: I'll thank everybody and have a great afternoon

[1:31:40] Voice 3: and let's call for adjournment.

ADOPTED 
 
 
 
 
 
Hornby Island ADOPTED 1 
Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes 
May 22, 2024 
 
Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 22, 2024 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Ian Cox, Island Planner 
 Lisa Millard, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 10 members of the public in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
3.1 Local Trust Committee's Response When Receiving a Referral from the Province of 
British Columbia for Rogers Communications Tower Proposal 
Discussion ensued and Trustees made the following comments: 
 The subject property is one of the only sites available for community housing; 
 Housing has priority over a cell tower; 
 The location is not appropriate due to proximity to public facilities, residences, and 
the potential public housing site; 
 The community has voiced substantial opposition to a cell tower to be located on 
the proposed site; and 
 There are no studies on the affects of a tower on wildlife. 
 

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May 22, 2024 
The Planner clarified that the Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw specifies that public service 
uses are allowed in all zones. The bylaw defined public service as “the provision of 
water, gas, electrical, telephone, television or emergency services by a government 
body or agency or by a company regulated by the Utilities Commission Act or the 
Radiocommunication Act of Canada, serving only the Hornby Island local community. 
 
HO-2024-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to include in any response to 
the referral from the Province of BC regarding the Rogers Communications tower 
proposal, the following concerns that: 
a) the Local Trust Committee supports the proposal for community housing 
forthcoming from the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement 
Corporation in this location; 
b) the Local Trust Committee has received substantial community opposition to a 
communications tower in this location; 
c) the Local Trust Committee has concerns over the effects of the tower on wildlife, 
given the location in close proximity to the adjacent park which is home to wildlife 
and migratory bird routes; 
d) the location is too close to public facilities (school, playground, health clinic, ball 
park, etc.); and 
e) the location is too close to existing housing. 
CARRIED 
 
3.2 Local Trust Committee's Response to the Hornby Island Community Economic 
Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC) and the Local Housing Society's Request to Amend 
the Bylaws Governing the Public Use Zone 
It was noted that the application to amend the bylaw would be received in 
approximately one week. 
 
HO-2024-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request that a letter of support be drafted 
to the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC), stating 
its intent to consider amendments to the Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw No. 150 to 
support inclusion of community housing as a permitted use in the Public Use - PU(a) 
Zone site specific regulations. 
CARRIED 
3.3 Additional Permitted Uses in the Public Use Zone 
Discussion ensued  
 

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May 22, 2024 
HO-2024-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to explore adding additional 
permitted uses in the Public Use, PU(a) site specific zone, community trades and 
services and community and workforce housing in the major project charter draft 
bylaws. 
CARRIED 
 
4. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:32 pm. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tim Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Lisa Millard, Recorder