Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, June 6, 2024

[0:00:04] Voice 8: okay good morning everyone i would like to call uh this regular meeting of the salt

[0:00:10] Voice 8: spring island local trust committee to order please be aware that we're live streaming this

[0:00:15] Voice 8: meeting and recording will be posted on the island's website i want to begin by acknowledging

[0:00:22] Voice 8: we're fortunate to be able to gather here today on the traditional territory of coast salish peoples

[0:00:28] Voice 8: keep in the stewards of these lands and water in the memorial first of all uh my name is tim

[0:00:37] Voice 8: peterson i'm elected on the skinny island i'm the

[0:00:40] Voice 7: chair of salt spring island local trust committee

[0:00:42] Voice 7: with me today are local trustees laura patrick and jamie harris and together we're

[0:00:49] Voice 8: we formed the salt spring island local trust committee um staff today we have uh online we

[0:00:56] Voice 8: have our minute taker lisa millard i believe uh regional planning manager chris huffman is joining

[0:01:01] Voice 8: us online as well and in the room today we have uh rob hingle our legislative clerk of warren

[0:01:07] Voice 8: dingerman uh manager bylaw uh enforcement and jason newman's planner and soon to be moving on

[0:01:15] Voice 8: off the chain um this meeting is an official forum for the local trust committee to make

[0:01:21] Voice 8: decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business but also remind you

[0:01:27] Voice 8: this is a place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:01:32] Voice 8: um there is uh an opportunity for the public to address uh us with a town hall session

[0:01:41] Voice 8: and uh i'll give you some more information when we get there um first of all we have an agenda

[0:01:49] Voice 8: uh before us i almost look to trustee to see if there's any thing

[0:01:55] Voice 7: to add or amend the agenda this

[0:01:56] Voice 7: morning i i whether i could i could check it out to my trusted report but i think we should read a

[0:02:03] Voice 7: little bit out

[0:02:04] Voice 10: of the answer from 1973 when it set up the island's trust for its 50th anniversary

[0:02:10] Voice 10: straight state okay

[0:02:12] Voice 7: uh that you can pretend to do that more than we can do with that

[0:02:18] Voice 7: would they definitely acknowledge that uh yesterday was the 50th anniversary of the

[0:02:25] Voice 7: trust coming uh into effect um under provincial law uh any anything else so taken by general

[0:02:36] Voice 8: consent will adopt the agenda as presented and so that brings us into the town hall section

[0:02:43] Voice 8: that's opportunity for members of the public to address your local trust committee um and so we

[0:02:52] Voice 8: request you direct your comments to uh to the trustees up here and not other members of the

[0:02:59] Voice 8: public or staff, speak about the issues, non-individuals, be clear, concise, and respectful.

[0:03:10] Voice 8: And I'll just look for a show of hands and see how many people want to speak today.

[0:03:14] Voice 8: Not tons, so keep it to roughly three minutes, but we'll pull out the timer today because

[0:03:22] Voice 8: we don't have a huge room.

[0:03:24] Voice 8: So I'll just start on this side, Maxine.

[0:03:30] Voice 7: Well,

[0:03:31] Voice 8: if you want people on the line to hear, you're a little bit closer to the, to the

[0:03:36] Voice 8: there.

[0:03:37] Voice 8: They'll hear you better.

[0:03:38] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:03:38] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:03:38] Voice 3: I'm here today.

[0:03:40] Voice 3: I was asked to speak on behalf of two groups of what I've really appreciated if the secretary

[0:03:45] Voice 3: could get the names correct, because they were incorrect in the minutes from my, when

[0:03:49] Voice 3: I spoke last time, positively forward and keep Salt Spring sustainable.

[0:03:56] Voice 3: And we're asking that we be included officially among the groups that are consulted for the Complete Communities Project and the OCP Project.

[0:04:07] Voice 3: And these two groups have been active and outspoken in their support for certain types of affordable housing.

[0:04:15] Voice 3: Housing is the main subject of these projects.

[0:04:20] Voice 3: projects, and we have asked in writing and here last month, and we are still not being

[0:04:28] Voice 3: listed and not included.

[0:04:29] Voice 3: Other groups that are included have no history or involvement with this issue, and it's really

[0:04:37] Voice 3: important because in the housing section is the only policy in our OCC that limits growth,

[0:04:47] Voice 3: And we want to be able to speak about the growth issue. We think it's very important.

[0:04:53] Voice 3: So that's our request.

[0:04:56] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:04:58] Voice 7: So also in the front row. Yes, you, sir.

[0:05:04] Voice 6: Hello, my name is Rob Petten. I'm a lawyer. I have some clients here in Salt Spring.

[0:05:11] Voice 6: I live and practice in North Pender.

[0:05:14] Voice 6: and I would like to briefly speak to you about the Mr. Dingman's update

[0:05:20] Voice 6: on the enforcement policy. I have seen it and there's a lot of good parts to it but

[0:05:31] Voice 6: my concern is that it's not complete. It doesn't recognize that we have a lot

[0:05:39] Voice 6: of people living in trailers, RVs, tiny homes and this is their home and this

[0:05:48] Voice 6: document is attempting to deal with it and the concern is is that it needs it

[0:05:55] Voice 6: doesn't really in my view recognize it there's a lot of discretion left with

[0:06:00] Voice 6: staff it's hard for me as a lawyer to be able to tell clients what I think it

[0:06:06] Voice 6: leaves, what they can do and not do. And given, I mean, there's a number of areas it's covering,

[0:06:12] Voice 6: which, and, you know, some of them, I think it's great enforcement of SDVRs and stuff. I mean,

[0:06:19] Voice 6: that's going to help the housing situation. But it doesn't fundamentally deal in a fair way

[0:06:26] Voice 6: with people living in this form of housing. There's a whole issue of whether it's connected

[0:06:33] Voice 6: to appropriate discharge things absolutely agree with that report just talks about septic

[0:06:42] Voice 6: there are other ways to to deal with it that are acceptable so that's a critical thing because in

[0:06:50] Voice 6: order for people to deal with this they have to be open to a variety of things that muster up so

[0:06:59] Voice 6: so that everybody's happy with them,

[0:07:01] Voice 6: but they take into account the cost.

[0:07:04] Voice 6: Forrest is here, he's an expert in this,

[0:07:06] Voice 6: he's gonna talk to you about some of the options.

[0:07:09] Voice 6: This is my submission to you, it has to be recognized.

[0:07:13] Voice 6: We have to also, if a lot of people

[0:07:17] Voice 6: are gonna have to spend money to do this,

[0:07:19] Voice 6: which is fair enough, they need some security tenure.

[0:07:23] Voice 6: Asking people to spend a lot of money on accommodation,

[0:07:27] Voice 6: and then the policy could just change

[0:07:29] Voice 6: and they're out the money.

[0:07:31] Voice 6: And that happened to my client that was here the last time.

[0:07:35] Voice 6: She had helped out to a sewer.

[0:07:38] Voice 6: Her landlady had paid for power.

[0:07:40] Voice 6: She spent 10,000 bucks.

[0:07:42] Voice 6: She technically was outside the timeframe

[0:07:45] Voice 6: when a person in a trailer,

[0:07:48] Voice 6: she'd been forced out, she was a single mom.

[0:07:50] Voice 6: So she'd spent the money and it was gone.

[0:07:54] Voice 6: So you can't expect people to do that.

[0:07:57] Voice 6: You can expect them to respect the rules and follow it, but it's got to be a fair trade-off.

[0:08:03] Voice 6: And if there is a dispute, it seems to me that there needs to be a better process than what historically has been done.

[0:08:12] Voice 6: This report follows the historical process, and I understand that. It does it quite well.

[0:08:18] Voice 6: The difficulty is, look at it this way. It's your home.

[0:08:21] Voice 6: you have a traffic ticket you know you get notice of it you can go to court in front of a judge

[0:08:29] Voice 6: to determine whether it's legal or not with with this process with the home it's your home

[0:08:37] Voice 6: there is a mediation process but it's totally different than being able to go in front of a

[0:08:44] Voice 6: judge i'm not saying that has to be done but there has to be my submission to you is a respect

[0:08:50] Voice 6: for due process and the consequence of someone losing their home as opposed to say a DP violation

[0:08:59] Voice 6: that they're minor but I suggest they're not the same as someone losing their home

[0:09:05] Voice 6: so I won't want any more but I think it's a good start but it's my suggestion that you ask staff

[0:09:15] Voice 6: to take into account your concerns, which I understand,

[0:09:20] Voice 6: and also perhaps talk to people like myself,

[0:09:23] Voice 6: Forrest, and others to try and get some input

[0:09:26] Voice 6: on some of these other concerns.

[0:09:28] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:09:30] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:09:31] Voice 7: Yes, sir.

[0:09:37] Voice 5: Good morning, everybody, trustees and staff,

[0:09:41] Voice 5: and everyone here for the good of the community,

[0:09:47] Voice 5: as we all are, and have a bit of a show and tell

[0:09:49] Voice 5: this morning on the wastewater issue with mobile housing. I also have a taper for you that I looked

[0:09:55] Voice 5: into the public record and I've got copies for everyone that'll end up at the end. So just a bit

[0:10:01] Voice 5: of background. I run a construction company specializing in ecological construction. I

[0:10:04] Voice 5: started my company doing tiny homes. I've built almost 20 of them. I now am servicing people

[0:10:10] Voice 5: living in regular homes, tiny homes, trailers, whatever it is. I'm trying to up the standard of

[0:10:16] Voice 5: safety and um you know all the downstream consequences of that in terms of community

[0:10:22] Voice 5: safety mental health etc i also served as an appointee on the housing action program

[0:10:28] Voice 5: task force of the island's trust for a full term and i was mandated to report specifically

[0:10:34] Voice 5: on the implications of tiny home legalization um from an occupancy standpoint uh looking at

[0:10:43] Voice 5: insurance, actuarial data, liability, health and safety, environmental impact, etc.

[0:10:49] Voice 5: And I share the concerns of the people of this community who want very metered development

[0:10:57] Voice 5: that is respectful of the fabric of the community and the environment, as Maxine said.

[0:11:04] Voice 5: I've become aware that specifically the issue of wastewater is a concern.

[0:11:09] Voice 5: and for Mr. Dingman I understand we haven't had a chance to talk with yet and that's a legitimate

[0:11:16] Voice 5: concern and so my presentation in this paper today and the show and tell focuses on that issue and

[0:11:23] Voice 5: the point that I'm making is and this is in the 50-page report that is on the Islands Trust website

[0:11:29] Voice 5: for the Housing Action Program Passports which covers the wastewater issue

[0:11:34] Voice 5: to briefly, depending on the scale of the system,

[0:11:38] Voice 5: single-family, multifamily, et cetera,

[0:11:40] Voice 5: you either need a ROWP or an engineer.

[0:11:43] Voice 5: It's a known quantity.

[0:11:44] Voice 5: I just wanted to demystify some of the technicals on it

[0:11:47] Voice 5: to show that essentially the plumbing of a tiny house

[0:11:49] Voice 5: or an RV, it's not that different

[0:11:51] Voice 5: from the plumbing of a house.

[0:11:53] Voice 5: The obvious point of difference is the connection.

[0:11:58] Voice 5: And then there are regulatory issues.

[0:12:00] Voice 5: you know, is it CSA, is it building code, whatever it is. So just on the very simple point of the

[0:12:08] Voice 5: connection, because I have experienced servicing systems that I think are done safely and that

[0:12:14] Voice 5: aren't, and I certainly am not here to say just do whatever, live in whatever, it's got to be done

[0:12:21] Voice 5: well. So let's start with the one that I would say is a no. Anybody know what this is? Swift

[0:12:29] Voice 5: coupling aka firm coat there's also some other type of term i've seen people use this you join

[0:12:35] Voice 5: two sections of pipe right the pipe that is permanently attached to your unit and the pipe

[0:12:39] Voice 5: that goes out to your septic or wherever um this is not a good idea because you have when you have

[0:12:47] Voice 5: smaller pipe going to bigger pipe that's fine when you have bigger pipe going into smaller pipe

[0:12:51] Voice 5: that's not a good thing you're relying on this seal people do use these not a good idea in my

[0:12:57] Voice 5: estimation. You've seen these before. You know what it's called? RV gate valve. There's another

[0:13:06] Voice 5: technical term for it. There are rubber gaskets hidden in here. This is a very straightforward,

[0:13:10] Voice 5: this is three inch ABS standard wastewater plumbing pipe. Open, closed, rubber gaskets,

[0:13:21] Voice 5: no leak. Just check your rubber gaskets every few years. They sell replacement gaskets.

[0:13:28] Voice 5: The other option, which is a little nouveau, is, anybody know what this is? Clean out, right? So

[0:13:40] Voice 5: here's your three inch ABS, you've got this clean out when you're in transportation, when the unit

[0:13:45] Voice 5: is not being used, you have this plug, which has a rubber gasket on it. When it's being connected,

[0:13:52] Voice 5: you have this, put the rubber gasket on here, or you buy a separate rubber gasket, and you can get

[0:14:01] Voice 5: the threads proper because you're not speaking and there's your three inch abs the three inch abs

[0:14:08] Voice 5: dummy proof that's what we want i imagine is we want systems that are

[0:14:11] Voice 5: everything else is pretty much the same except you know there are little details like if you

[0:14:17] Voice 5: have somebody who's moving their unit a lot you've got vibration on the fitting so you go

[0:14:21] Voice 5: that but anyway the whole analysis again including the actuarial data which came to the conclusion

[0:14:29] Voice 5: that the community the government's not running any additional liability by

[0:14:34] Voice 5: considering these things as and the other the final thing I'll say about it

[0:14:40] Voice 5: is we look at the per density impact on the community the report to the housing

[0:14:48] Voice 5: task force of the honest trust illustrates across the board whether

[0:14:52] Voice 5: you're looking at waste whether you in power you know whatever over 80%

[0:14:58] Voice 5: reduction in impact or density. So the fact is people are needing to live here to work at the

[0:15:05] Voice 5: grocery store, to work at the school, to work at the hospital, whatever it is. We might as well do

[0:15:10] Voice 5: it in a responsible way. Thank you for your time. And I'm really grateful for the work that

[0:15:15] Voice 5: everyone's doing. There are additional copies here for Chris Hutton and for the public record.

[0:15:42] Voice 7: Okay, and I think I saw some more hands on this side. Yes, sir.

[0:15:52] Voice 4: Good morning. I'm Brian Young, representing Transition Salt Spring. I wanted to speak

[0:15:57] Voice 4: to an OTC LUV item that's on the agenda for a little later. It's pretty obvious we all

[0:16:04] Voice 4: love this island, and I want you to know that we're here today basically sharing with you

[0:16:09] Voice 4: that we also love this island and that was the spirit in which we submitted our letter with nine

[0:16:15] Voice 4: recommendations last night with respect to the terms of reference and the scope of document

[0:16:20] Voice 4: that's up for discussion today we also have the utmost respect for staff who are working very hard

[0:16:26] Voice 4: on this issue it's a super super hard project particularly to balance the kinds of interests

[0:16:31] Voice 4: we see in our community um and i do not have time to go into all the details given our three minutes

[0:16:39] Voice 4: I also, I do first want to say that we did CC this letter to a number of community groups, not to inflame, not to show we're on any kind of war path putting or anything like that, because that's not who we are.

[0:16:52] Voice 4: We're simply wanting to signal that we're wanting to reach out to other groups, including the Chamber of Commerce and including a wide variety of groups to get a consensus position on this OCP project, which is a super important one for our community.

[0:17:07] Voice 4: going to be. It's all said with care and compassion, but with a concern that we are

[0:17:13] Voice 4: missing a rare opportunity with opening up this OCP and LUB to review, to create a review that

[0:17:21] Voice 4: is truly holistic and systematic or systemic. I said systematic in our letter, we meant systemic

[0:17:29] Voice 4: in its approach and one a review that has added center housing equity let's be specific about that

[0:17:38] Voice 4: we're not talking about advancing options for monster homes on this island we're talking about

[0:17:43] Voice 4: advancing options for housing equity climate change mitigation and adaptation and the preparation

[0:17:49] Voice 4: we need to do to make sure our community will be safe in the coming years ecosystem integrity

[0:17:56] Voice 4: which will also be super important for ensuring that we have enough water and so that we have

[0:18:01] Voice 4: forests that are less tinder dry than they already are, and of course First Nations

[0:18:07] Voice 4: reconciliation. We do not believe that these things are in opposition. We believe that housing

[0:18:14] Voice 4: is not in opposition to environment. If done correctly, as said by the previous speaker,

[0:18:20] Voice 4: there's a lot lower footprint for a smaller home that's done sensitively compared to a home that's

[0:18:27] Voice 4: concrete and a clear cut on a mountainside very different so we're your biggest supporters we

[0:18:33] Voice 4: want to help so that's our offer to you uh in this letter uh let us know how we can help we are here

[0:18:40] Voice 4: with you on the in the long haul on this process it is the 50th anniversary and i love reading the

[0:18:46] Voice 4: letter from the minister that appears in the exchange today because she echoed a lot of the

[0:18:52] Voice 4: issues that we raise in this letter as being critical to tackle in her words head-on. So

[0:18:57] Voice 4: we invite you to reach out to us, continue to reach out to us and other island groups to make

[0:19:03] Voice 4: sure we've got an OCP and land use bylaw revision that really does meet the urgent needs we have

[0:19:12] Voice 4: facing at the moment. Thanks very much.

[0:19:16] Voice 7: Thank you. Is there anyone else who wanted to speak today?

[0:19:22] Voice 8: Okay, not seeing any, then move on to the next section, which is trustee reports. Who'd like to go first?

[0:19:30] Voice 7: Sure. Thank

[0:19:32] Voice 9: you. We don't have a whole lot to report today. You know, thinking about the 50th anniversary,

[0:19:40] Voice 7: some see it as a celebratory time, which many people, people in the community don't see it as a celebratory time.

[0:19:48] Voice 7: So at action section type of morning,

[0:19:51] Voice 9: hopefully things can turn around for Roosevelt Spring Island.

[0:19:55] Voice 9: We'll see how it goes. Centennial Park, you know, quick report this morning.

[0:20:02] Voice 9: Got alcoholics and drug addicts sitting around the war memorial doing their thing.

[0:20:07] Voice 9: Went on all day yesterday. Loose dogs. These are all against regional park policy.

[0:20:13] Voice 9: it seems to go on daily basis um as it stands now our government's here is incapable of dealing with

[0:20:21] Voice 9: this situation spoken with the rcmp clearly another model is needed to deal with this

[0:20:31] Voice 9: clearly it's not just going to stay at this level we can't get or can we be expected as a community

[0:20:36] Voice 9: to just accept this type of behavior

[0:20:38] Voice 7: as our new every type every norm and people are going to be

[0:20:43] Voice 7: utility for using the children's park.

[0:20:49] Voice 9: We also have a big quarterly trust meeting coming

[0:20:53] Voice 9: up June 18th, 19th. I urge everybody to come up on

[0:21:00] Voice 7: the February 1st day. I believe I would

[0:21:02] Voice 7: point to Chair Peterson on this. It's my understanding the town hall section on the first day of

[0:21:09] the trust council meeting. I'll pull that up just so that I'm getting that correct information.

[0:21:17] But

[0:21:19] Voice 7: yes, we're going to do it earlier than earlier than later this time, so you know we'll try and

[0:21:25] Voice 9: keep people posted as to when exactly the town hall portion will be on Salt Spring Island, the harbor house, pretty big deal.

[0:21:39] Voice 7: I'll leave it there. Thank you.

[0:21:41] Voice 7: Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[0:21:48] Voice 7: My heart aches to hear the news of the passing of Nina Viginski.

[0:21:52] Voice 7: speak. Nina was someone who really sat in the sound of what they used to do. She cherished the nature of land and water, raised reconciliation with her

[0:22:02] Voice 7: stations, and very deeply with her friends. I was incredibly honored that she signed my nomination to be a

[0:22:09] Voice 7: special legal assistant.

[0:22:14] Voice 10: Trustee Harris, I applaud your use of video and Facebook to express your

[0:22:19] Voice 10: opinions. However, I do respectfully request that you correct your portrayal of me, the video that

[0:22:25] Voice 10: be posted on June 4th. Following the Governance Committee meeting on May 13th, I shared with you

[0:22:31] Voice 10: a draft request for decision that I prepared in April of 2023. I had

[0:22:38] Voice 7: prepared this RFP after

[0:22:40] Voice 7: receiving a response from Chair Levin on concerns that I had raised in February of 2023. I had sent

[0:22:47] Voice 10: an email

[0:22:48] Voice 7: to Chair Levin about concerns with the procedures related to the standards of common

[0:22:52] Voice 7: The instructor passed judgment on a complaint made against a trustee without that trustee being notified and given an opportunity to participate in the process.

[0:23:03] Voice 7: I believe that oversight can be possibly addressed.

[0:23:06] Voice 7: rest. My recommendation is that

[0:23:09] Voice 10: the executive committee request

[0:23:10] Voice 10: staff to review Section 5, which is the review process of Trust

[0:23:14] Voice 10: Policy 2.2 Standards of Conduct, and recommend revisions to

[0:23:18] Voice 10: include an informal review process to enhance process

[0:23:21] Voice 10: fairness on the best practices, in particular, ensuring the

[0:23:25] Voice 10: person affected by a decision is able to participate in the

[0:23:29] Voice 10: process before the decision is made. I explained all this to

[0:23:33] Voice 10: email that i sent you therefore you're aware that my motivation for improving the code of conduct

[0:23:38] Voice 10: had nothing

[0:23:39] Voice 7: to do with you or

[0:23:41] Voice 7: your conduct so again i ask that you make this correction

[0:23:46] Voice 7: i'll now report on the various meetings and events that i've

[0:23:49] Voice 10: participated in last month

[0:23:52] Voice 10: i attended the cortez island housing forum on the topic of meeting land trusts

[0:24:00] Voice 10: they invited lopez and orcas island community land trusts along with the international center

[0:24:04] Voice 10: of community land trusts. Orcas houses

[0:24:08] Voice 10: 25 percent of the population in their community land trusts.

[0:24:13] Voice 10: If you're

[0:24:17] Voice 7: interested in learning more about this form of housing, you can watch the

[0:24:21] Voice 10: podcasts on Cortez's book. I

[0:24:24] Voice 7: attended

[0:24:28] Voice 10: the local community commission's housing meeting.

[0:24:30] Voice 10: CRD staff reported that only 10 suites have been built on Salt Springs since they were permitted

[0:24:35] Voice 10: in 2013. I had recommended the LCC could assist us in gathering detailed data on housing that

[0:24:42] Voice 10: has been built on this island over the last couple of decades. I supported staff member

[0:24:49] Voice 10: Jason Cummings in presenting the OCP and the candidate projects at Salt Spring. Jason did

[0:24:55] Voice 10: a terrific job in presenting the projects. I attended the Berry Advisory Committee meeting.

[0:25:01] Voice 10: BC Ferries is still rolling out their new approaches on community consultations and

[0:25:05] Voice 10: and committee.

[0:25:07] Voice 10: So expect to hear more from

[0:25:08] Voice 7: them in the coming months.

[0:25:11] Voice 10: I attended the special meeting with the Ag Alliance

[0:25:13] Voice 10: and the Agricultural Agency.

[0:25:16] Voice 10: Since

[0:25:17] Voice 7: that meeting, I've received some great suggestions

[0:25:19] Voice 7: on how to improve our land use planning tools.

[0:25:24] Voice 7: I attended a meeting with the Minister of Tourism,

[0:25:28] Voice 10: and the Minister of Tourism, Arts, Culture, and Sport.

[0:25:31] Voice 10: She participated in the

[0:25:32] Voice 7: bike ride from Holford Ganges.

[0:25:34] Voice 7: She'll be a good proponent for the Sailor Sea Trailer Network.

[0:25:39] Voice 7: And I really want to recognize Robin Jamieson and his pathways and planning cycling that

[0:25:46] Voice 7: was instrumental

[0:25:47] Voice 10: in getting the ministry from the Salisbury.

[0:25:49] Voice 10: From a Federation standpoint, I've been very active with the CAO Hiring Committee.

[0:25:54] Voice 10: And I also attended the Audit

[0:25:56] Voice 7: Committee Financial Planning Committee.

[0:25:58] Voice 7: And I attended last week's first

[0:26:01] Voice 10: committee of the whole, the

[0:26:03] Voice 7: Islands Trust on the draft

[0:26:05] Voice 7: policy statement. And that's on the report. Oh, did

[0:26:09] Voice 10: I want to talk about that? I just did, but this was the anniversary of the Island's Thrust, just yesterday. I think it's always important to go back to when the Island's Thrust was set up, the province created a select committee that presented their report on their findings in 1973.

[0:26:32] Voice 10: And a number of observations,

[0:26:34] Voice 10: 14 observations, one of them reads, many of them reads that

[0:26:44] Voice 10: they're today, but one in particular, one of the major problems encountered by the committee

[0:26:48] Voice 10: in its tours, hearings, and public meetings is the fact that there has been and remains

[0:26:53] Voice 10: a very serious lack of coordination and communication.

[0:26:57] Voice 10: In many respects, the items have fallen victim to ad hoc or band-aid activity.

[0:27:01] Voice 10: there is need for a coordinated jurisdiction to be responsible for climate zoning

[0:27:05] Voice 10: transportation and related matters for all the islands and this jurisdiction would require

[0:27:14] Voice 10: sufficient funding over and above the current revenue source of local taxation most of these

[0:27:20] Voice 10: screens if they were written today and there were only four recommendations and one of them was

[0:27:27] Voice 10: and the most immediate one which i'll read in its

[0:27:30] Voice 10: entirety is the committee also recommends

[0:27:32] Voice 10: that the provincial government establish an island's trust as the most appropriate body

[0:27:37] Voice 10: to be responsible for and to coordinate the future of each island within its terms of reference

[0:27:42] Voice 10: must be emphasized strongly that the trust is to assume the primary responsibility for all

[0:27:46] Voice 10: gulf islands affairs with government jurisdiction including land use future growth patterns

[0:27:51] Voice 10: control of development industrial recreational commercial activity as well as parks and open

[0:27:57] Voice 10: space designations it is essential that the trust be fully representative of all interests not only

[0:28:03] Voice 10: on the islands but throughout the province as a whole while recognizing the rights of the

[0:28:07] Voice 10: islanders the committee suggests that this section of british columbia is dramatically affected by

[0:28:12] Voice 10: private and public activity which does not have the same impact in other parts of the province

[0:28:17] Voice 10: media again refers to the private private nature of these coastal units because it is recognized

[0:28:23] Voice 10: in a variety of government departments and agencies in a list of islands health areas

[0:28:27] Voice 10: land forest parks etc all all as well as regional districts and citizen groups on the islands

[0:28:33] Voice 10: all have an important role to play in this respect we emphasize that the proposed trust or commission

[0:28:39] Voice 10: must not be separate and or remote agency but rather a fully representative cooperative body

[0:28:45] Voice 10: who's tasked us to bring together each group, agency, department, government, and act in the best interests of the Idaho and their residents with due regard to the broader province's wide interests.

[0:28:56] Voice 10: So I think it's good to go back and remember the words from what was set up to describe, to do that.

[0:29:05] Voice 10: We still have a lot of work to do. There's things we can celebrate, but we

[0:29:10] Voice 7: have to not forget the words.

[0:29:13] Voice 7: thank

[0:29:15] Voice 10: you okay

[0:29:18] Voice 8: so next up is chair report um uh trust programs committee meeting last month

[0:29:26] Voice 8: uh met um main item of business was looking at uh the stewardship webinars um that we're hoping to

[0:29:37] Voice 8: push out later this year uh the top three uh are on groundwater conservation

[0:29:43] Voice 8: conservation, living with fire, and invasive plant removal, and that's based on what we've

[0:29:50] Voice 8: heard from the public, feedback, all of those things, water, of course, fire, wildfire, and

[0:30:00] Voice 8: the invasive plants, all issues throughout the islands.

[0:30:03] Voice 8: Probably fire being the most scary,

[0:30:08] Voice 8: I would say of all of them, but let's see.

[0:30:12] Voice 8: Yes, we did have a meeting on May 30th

[0:30:15] Voice 8: with the Agricultural APC and the Ag Alliance.

[0:30:20] Voice 8: And we have a meeting planned with the CRD

[0:30:24] Voice 7: for June 17th, just before Trust Council here

[0:30:27] Voice 7: on Salt Spring.

[0:30:30] Voice 7: um and there were certainly some

[0:30:33] Voice 8: some requests from those groups to consider what we might talk

[0:30:38] to the crp about um as

[0:30:42] Voice 8: trustee patrick mentioned we had our first committee the whole meeting

[0:30:46] Voice 8: around the uh draft uh policy statement um which is a i think a good start to getting into the

[0:30:54] Voice 8: work there's a significant amount of work and a pretty extended timeline in terms we have we have

[0:31:01] Voice 8: built in the process a six-month timeline for uh engaging with the public on the contents of

[0:31:09] Voice 8: the document once once the uh trustees have got to a point where they feel that uh they're ready to

[0:31:15] Voice 8: um to do that which is there's still some action because it was a fairly i think we only had three

[0:31:21] Voice 8: hours uh in that initial meeting and there's certainly many more hours of discussion to come

[0:31:27] Voice 8: on that um financial planning committee is uh uh entering a little bit of the quieter time of the

[0:31:35] Voice 8: year having the budget having uh been approved in march uh but the uh the subcommittee of uh

[0:31:42] Voice 8: working on the corporate planning process is still hard at work we're hoping to start merging that

[0:31:48] Voice 8: with our strategic planning um and budgetary cycles to merge them together so they work

[0:31:56] Voice 8: better and more efficiently together. There will be a strategic planning session at the

[0:32:04] Voice 8: Trust Council here in June. Let's see what else. Yesterday the Executive Committee met in Victoria

[0:32:14] Voice 8: and the bulk of that meeting was to do with the planning for the Trust Council here in June.

[0:32:21] Voice 8: So I'll leave it at that today and next I'd like to welcome Gary Coleman for the CRD Director's

[0:32:28] Voice 8: report.

[0:32:29] Thanks Tim.

[0:32:30] Chair Rook had a conflict so I'll report on local community commission issues but before

[0:32:39] I get there just

[0:32:39] Voice 7: to touch on a couple of points raised by Trustee Harris of Centennial Park.

[0:32:47] Voice 7: I'm going to reach out to our bylaw enforcement thank you we've hired a part of the issue in the

[0:32:54] Voice 7: last few months is that we had a bylaw enforcement officer who's in retirement and you know

[0:32:59] Voice 7: is that position so I think we have a non-ILO person now with more time but also

[0:33:08] the RCMP around criminal offenses in Centennial Park and they need to be

[0:33:15] Voice 7: involved and have

[0:33:16] Voice 7: been involved historically. And what I'm going to do is set up an email conversation, including

[0:33:25] Voice 7: Trustee Harris, RCMP, and our bylaw enforcement folks to talk about ways in which we can try

[0:33:34] to improve the situation

[0:33:35] Voice 7: i'm sending in the rcmp over the last couple of years the number of

[0:33:40] Voice 7: complaints there this may not be the experience of folks actually working down there in their

[0:33:47] businesses but according to the rcmp the number of calls has been reduced

[0:33:51] Voice 7: substantially because they

[0:33:53] Voice 7: have more involved in their collaboration with bylaw enforcement just on dogs running around

[0:33:59] Voice 7: in the park. Dogs are not allowed in Centennial Park, and there's signs to that effect. But it is

[0:34:05] Voice 7: frustrating, and I check this with bylaw enforcement. We cannot impound the dog just because they're

[0:34:11] Voice 7: really run. The only way that we can impound dogs is if they're a dangerous dog. But that's part of

[0:34:18] Voice 7: the conversation we need to have. My understanding is that compared to three years ago, things have

[0:34:23] Voice 7: approved uh someone in centennial park folks will recall um there there were um a number of

[0:34:31] incidents of window smashing in angie's the

[0:34:34] Voice 7: crd office and included two uh asian uh food outlets

[0:34:39] Voice 7: in centennial park their windows so i would visit them regularly to kind of get their view of how

[0:34:47] Voice 7: things are going and uh there are some issues there and we do struggle with it but according

[0:34:52] Voice 7: to them things have improved as as well uh just on the building permit data uh i have requested

[0:35:00] Voice 7: provided to the trust building permit data i think it's for 2019 to 21 or 22 and i got a breakdown of

[0:35:09] Voice 7: house sizes and i've asked crd to update that data uh just this um uh feeling that while monster

[0:35:19] Voice 7: houses get approved and are fine but we can't do tiny homes and the time one issue is a bc building

[0:35:27] Voice 7: code issue it's not a crd issue tiny homes are not recognized as a dwelling the advocates for that

[0:35:35] Voice 7: know that my understanding is and the series advocating to have that to have a particular

[0:35:41] Voice 7: issue review but it's in basically in provincial hands um uh in any case the building permit data

[0:35:50] Voice 7: that was provided and that needs to be updated indicated that 75 of the building permits on

[0:35:57] Voice 7: salisbury are for dwellings that are uh 2 500 square feet or less yes there are larger homes

[0:36:05] Voice 7: there are also a whole number of homes i requested that in a reality check on the contention that

[0:36:13] Voice 7: all be allowed to be built here or monster homes the the trust committee actually revised the bylaw

[0:36:22] Voice 7: to limit the i think the maximum size now 5 000 square feet uh that's still a pretty large home

[0:36:31] but in any case the building permitting indicates

[0:36:32] Voice 7: that for the most part you're getting uh average

[0:36:36] Voice 7: size homes being built on monster homes. The local community commission just

[0:36:44] Voice 7: undertook a strategic planning process that was facilitated actually by Lynn Adams, the former

[0:36:51] Voice 7: CAO. I trust we'll be going public with that document and put it out for public comment

[0:36:58] and that can include comments from the trust. Chair Peterson mentioned that we're getting

[0:37:10] Voice 7: The LCC, I think Laura mentioned that the LCC had a housing workshop here last week well attended. I think the local community commission felt like they had a lot of good feedback from that workshop and they will be using that as a basis for clarifying the role of the local community commission will play in terms of how they're going to do that.

[0:37:33] Voice 7: affordable housing. We have already provided a $23,000 contribution to the Housing Now initiative,

[0:37:43] Voice 7: which is a landlord-tenant matching service. It's being applied to the Southern North Islands for

[0:37:52] Voice 7: the last few years, and the $23,000 will help them develop a salt spring-specific program. But

[0:38:00] Voice 7: But according to the Housing Now folks,

[0:38:04] Voice 7: census day indicates that there are 1,500 dwellings

[0:38:08] Voice 7: on Salt Spring with one occupant.

[0:38:11] Voice 7: So the very logical strategic approach to that

[0:38:17] Voice 7: is to try and get some of those folks to share their homes.

[0:38:20] Voice 7: And there's a vetting process, a screening process,

[0:38:23] Voice 7: mediation involved if there are disputes

[0:38:27] Voice 7: disputes between landowners and tenants. It's a very low-cost way of trying to free up housing

[0:38:33] Voice 7: for folks. So that's more or less the first foray of the LCC into the affordable housing issue.

[0:38:43] Voice 7: A key initiative, there's so much that's happening on the housing front,

[0:38:49] Voice 7: federally, provincially, regionally, and I just mentioned the local community commission,

[0:38:54] Voice 7: which I think is going to play a greater role for sure in convening workshops around information sharing and collaboration.

[0:39:02] Voice 7: I think that is a role that LCC will continue to play.

[0:39:06] Voice 7: But the CRD, as I reported before, is initiating a rural housing program, which will be, things take so much time to unfold.

[0:39:17] Voice 7: I don't think it will be piloted until next year, but the Rural Housing Program, which is the first for the CRE, it will be piloted in the Southern Gulf Islands and Salisbury, and it will include measures that will be a coordinator funded by the MRDT, by the Southern Gulf Islands Tourism Partnership,

[0:39:42] And that coordinator will serve both the Southern Gulf

[0:39:45] and Salt Creek, also looking at things like suite incentives.

[0:39:50] As Laura mentioned, there's been hundreds

[0:39:54] of suites

[0:39:55] Voice 7: legalized on Salt Creek and the ability

[0:39:59] Voice 7: to build a suite.

[0:40:00] Voice 7: But suites cost money.

[0:40:03] Voice 7: And so the province actually has initiated one

[0:40:06] Voice 7: of the new programs they brought in.

[0:40:08] Voice 7: It's a suite incentive program, limited dollars.

[0:40:11] Voice 7: I think they're also taking a piloting approach to see how successful it is.

[0:40:16] But people do need to be incentivized to

[0:40:19] Voice 7: actually build suites.

[0:40:21] Voice 7: So there is the provincial program, but also the Assyrian rural housing program is going

[0:40:27] Voice 7: to be considering funding for

[0:40:29] Voice 6: suite incentives as well.

[0:40:32] Voice 6: And then the last thing, pre-development funding.

[0:40:35] Voice 6: If you're a proponent trying to get a project off

[0:40:38] Voice 7: the ground, you need to do feasibility

[0:40:40] Voice 7: work, marketing work, what's the need, need to explore rental opportunities, you need

[0:40:47] Voice 7: to look at what your servicing costs are.

[0:40:49] Voice 7: All that due diligence requires professional assistance, which requires money.

[0:40:55] Voice 7: That's called pre-development, PDF funding.

[0:40:58] Voice 7: It can be difficult to get, but that's another funding element that the Rural Housing Program

[0:41:04] Voice 7: could be considering.

[0:41:05] Voice 7: So my advice to the LCC will be, for sure, we can play a role in the affordable housing issue, but there is so much happening at various levels of government, including within the CRDs, specifically the rural housing program.

[0:41:23] Voice 7: Our first priority should be to make sure that that program is going to serve Salt Springs' needs, but not to jump in until we see how that program is going to play out.

[0:41:33] Voice 7: One thing that's been talked about here a lot is the need for coordination.

[0:41:38] Voice 7: Laura was mentioning her comments.

[0:41:41] Voice 7: Many issues require that interagency coordination.

[0:41:45] Voice 7: But if there is a coordinator being hired by the Syrian rural housing program

[0:41:50] Voice 7: that pursues social violence and suffering, is connected appropriately,

[0:41:55] Voice 7: we won't need to hire that person locally.

[0:41:57] Voice 7: That's an example of we need to see how things play out before jumping in

[0:42:02] and with a number of initiatives.

[0:42:05] I just wanted

[0:42:06] Voice 7: to mention SWPA, the Water Protection Alliance.

[0:42:10] Voice 7: My understanding is that there will

[0:42:12] Voice 7: be a meeting of SWPA that the trust is hiring

[0:42:23] Voice 7: to convene a meeting on that.

[0:42:25] Voice 7: Maybe you can take some of that.

[0:42:29] Voice 7: My feeling was that the comments report, which had some good elements since the first time

[0:42:36] Voice 7: strategic plan, I've spoken to her review it for that matter.

[0:42:40] Voice 7: I didn't review it.

[0:42:41] Voice 7: The whole security logo appears on that report.

[0:42:44] Voice 7: That was staff that was involved in that final report.

[0:42:48] Voice 7: And I didn't get to review it.

[0:42:50] Voice 7: And I do think there's some key issues there, including the North Salt Spring Port Authority,

[0:42:54] Voice 7: which was not mentioned in the report.

[0:42:56] Voice 7: The elephant in the room in terms of water, as far as I'm concerned, is the North Sulphur

[0:43:00] Promontory, and it wasn't

[0:43:02] Voice 7: mentioned in the strategic plan developed by Bay Climates.

[0:43:05] Voice 7: Anyway, if we can convene Swoopy again, so at the very least, Swoopy would like some

[0:43:10] Voice 7: feedback.

[0:43:11] Voice 7: We do need to find a way forward.

[0:43:13] Voice 7: Water is an interagency issue, absolutely.

[0:43:16] Voice 7: It does require collaboration.

[0:43:18] Voice 7: We all agree on that.

[0:43:19] Voice 7: The question is, how do we move it forward?

[0:43:23] Voice 7: forward um so i'm looking forward to further conversations about that laura mentioned the

[0:43:29] Voice 7: meeting with the tourism minister uh who was very enthusiastic about the salish trail being

[0:43:35] Voice 7: an advocate for that in the provincial government uh one of the interesting things that she mentioned

[0:43:40] Voice 7: was uh she's already uh convening uh interagency um i guess working at least around uh regional

[0:43:52] Voice 7: regional trails in other parts of British Columbia, including Bank of Ireland, and one

[0:43:57] Voice 7: of the things that the minister mentioned, I think we all know her, was that she was

[0:44:04] Voice 7: thinking about including the Salish Sea Trail as part of the Bank of Ireland group.

[0:44:09] Voice 7: So that would be, I think, a really important step to get the Salish Trail some profile

[0:44:14] Voice 7: within the regional ministries.

[0:44:17] Bottom line,

[0:44:18] Voice 7: while the minister's enthusiasm was really appreciated, and I agree with Laura about island pathways, pulling everyone's chains, pushing the envelope to try and bring the same issue to the forefront, and agencies need to work on it.

[0:44:39] Voice 7: Um, the bottom line is funny is you're talking tens of millions of dollars to complete the

[0:44:46] service.

[0:44:47] Look, the Searly Transportation

[0:44:50] Voice 7: Service has focused in and around Ganges, uh, because

[0:44:54] Voice 7: you get the biggest bang at the bottom, there's pedestrians, there's a whole lot of congestion.

[0:44:58] Voice 7: So that's been our focus, continues to be our focus, but the Searly has been reaching

[0:45:03] Voice 7: the trail and they are now starting to spend money on South Spring.

[0:45:06] Voice 7: they're spending $6,000 this year to refuse to go to study for the sewage trail and MOT repaving,

[0:45:13] Voice 7: which by the way will be occurring this summer, as well as the Blackburn, it'll be a Blackburn

[0:45:21] bridge,

[0:45:22] Voice 7: not a Blackburn culvert, to MOT's credit. I mean those are

[0:45:28] Voice 7: millions of dollars that they're spending on Salisbury to repair roads and improve

[0:45:34] Voice 7: This summer there's going to be a lot of traffic disrupting. So my understanding is that there'll be a signage indicating folks through Stewart Road, Cushing Lake Road.

[0:45:49] Voice 7: There still will be traffic allowed through but probably single lane alternating. So it's going to be frustrating for folks on Salisbury.

[0:46:01] Voice 7: and I think that's the price of progress.

[0:46:05] And just one last

[0:46:07] Voice 7: thing I wanted to mention, Chair,

[0:46:09] Voice 7: was the, it's not called Voltaic City Forest.

[0:46:14] Voice 7: There's another name for the development

[0:46:16] Voice 7: for the San Diego Fulford Inn.

[0:46:19] Voice 7: So the proponent is requesting inclusion

[0:46:26] Voice 7: in the Fulford Water District.

[0:46:28] Voice 7: It's being recorded publicly.

[0:46:30] Voice 7: So the commission met, the director sits on all of our commissions, so we met, we had

[0:46:39] Voice 7: to deal with over 400 pages of technical reports.

[0:46:42] Voice 7: So there were two recommended, I want to be clear, the commission did not reject the application.

[0:46:48] Voice 7: The commission requested additional information, which included a collaboration with the trust.

[0:46:54] Voice 7: So we

[0:46:55] Voice 6: requested, the proponent was online, his consultant was online, it was communication difficulties,

[0:47:03] Voice 7: it was hard to get a way through a Q&A, so we asked for an in-person meeting to discuss written responses to written requests, so we didn't really get into the detail, that was one request.

[0:47:17] Voice 7: The other request was to ask the proponent to work with the Islands Trust to better define

[0:47:24] the build-up potential in the Fulford Water District.

[0:47:29] What we want to avoid in the Fulford Water District is a moratorium on new water connections.

[0:47:36] And if we don't do that due diligence about what future demand

[0:47:39] Voice 7: is, we run the risk of

[0:47:41] Voice 7: getting into that situation where all of a sudden we can't even meet the demands of existing uh

[0:47:49] Voice 7: unbuilt blocks within the forest we wanted a better job there are there's conflicting

[0:47:56] Voice 7: information provided in those foreign agents about what the build-out actually is there's

[0:48:01] Voice 7: commercial development down there which i don't think the demand was appropriately identified

[0:48:06] Voice 7: So we asked the proponent, second motion was to ask the proponent to work with the trust to better clarify that build-up potential in the Water District.

[0:48:15] Voice 7: At the end of the meeting, the proponent indicated that he felt that those requests were unreasonable

[0:48:24] and would not be pursuing inclusion within the Water District,

[0:48:30] that the

[0:48:32] Voice 7: company already had licenses on Soul Creek and Fort Worth Creek and would be pursuing

[0:48:39] Voice 7: that. So I don't know if to take a problem as word that seems to be the end of the application

[0:48:45] Voice 7: to be included in the Fort Worth Water District. But I did want to clarify the Water Commission

[0:48:51] Voice 7: did not reject the application. We simply asked for more information and an opportunity to discuss

[0:48:57] us written answers to written questions. Thank you.

[0:49:03] If I may, Mr. Chair, just to clarify, I came to the trust

[0:49:07] Voice 9: report section of the trustee Patrick asked myself to correct

[0:49:11] Voice 9: something. Is it I have a few questions on that. Is it is it

[0:49:19] Voice 9: not the case that trustee Patrick brought up a request for

[0:49:22] Voice 9: decision regarding the full conduct amendments to

[0:49:25] Voice 9: Governance Committee and that is the case that in your Executive Committee. Did I not hear Trustee

[0:49:31] Voice 9: Patrick say Lord Patrick spearheading this um vote of conduct um issue? I can't I can't speak to that.

[0:49:44] Did I not hear that Trustee Patrick had issues

[0:49:48] Voice 9: with social trustees who can show the social

[0:49:50] Voice 9: media at the Governance Committee meeting and speak about enforcement and penalties for trustees

[0:49:56] Voice 7: he's yet to be signed so i'm going to for one thing i'm going to suggest that if you want that

[0:50:01] Voice 7: clarity we can do that

[0:50:02] Voice 8: outside of the meeting but um uh because it's not really it's not that

[0:50:08] Voice 7: relevant to

[0:50:08] Voice 8: do with this but what i will say what i will say is that the code of conduct it's

[0:50:14] Voice 8: actually called the standards of conduct that we have is very outdated compared to the provincial

[0:50:20] Voice 8: standards. Director of Legislative Services has been doing work to try and get us up to

[0:50:25] Voice 8: a relevant level. The point that Trustee Patrick pointed out to myself and other members of

[0:50:32] Voice 8: the Executive Committee, and she referenced it earlier, is that the existing setup is

[0:50:40] Voice 8: that if there's a complaint against the person, that person, there's no notification. So in

[0:50:50] Voice 8: can go on without the person being complaining and being notified at all and that was the part

[0:50:55] Voice 8: that trustee packard pointed out as being really problematic so that hurt that level of speak about

[0:51:01] Voice 7: social

[0:51:02] Voice 9: media well okay so i

[0:51:04] Voice 9: hear that that reasoning that you're giving is apparently

[0:51:08] Voice 9: the reason that is bring brought forward there's all these other issues that are clearly spoken

[0:51:12] Voice 9: about at the meeting so i'm just

[0:51:15] Voice 8: going to say that you're allowed to speak of it why can't i

[0:51:17] Voice 8: What I'm just going to say is that this is really the, this issue is now before a governance committee.

[0:51:24] Voice 8: It's not a Salt Spring Island local trust committee.

[0:51:26] Voice 8: Well, I'm going to figure out this correction that I need to make.

[0:51:30] Voice 8: Well, because if I've got it right, Trustee Patrick is saying that she did not

[0:51:41] Voice 7: bring this to governance committee.

[0:51:43] Voice 7: There was a motion from Trustee Patrick.

[0:51:45] Voice 7: and just it they could the proposed

[0:51:50] Voice 8: neutral conduct into executive committee executive

[0:51:54] Voice 8: committee had a look at it and said well this is clearly in the governance well it's just something

[0:52:00] Voice 9: they may think that but it seems like why all of a sudden is there this big issue you're clearly

[0:52:05] Voice 9: well some major

[0:52:06] Voice 7: issues to deal with i would suggest that that what might help be helpful

[0:52:11] Voice 7: for you is is to reach out to um director marler because he's the one that has has produced a new

[0:52:18] Voice 7: draft and the

[0:52:20] Voice 9: other thing i would say is that if all of a sudden there's this is it not my

[0:52:24] Voice 9: understanding that that um in 2021 there was amendment some amendments to the trustee you're

[0:52:29] Voice 9: saying it's not the code of conduct but the um whatever the standards of conduct the other is

[0:52:34] Voice 9: that if all of a sudden there's this urge to um get in line with municipalities why is there not

[0:52:39] Voice 9: deserves to get in line with municipalities regarding housing there's housing initiatives

[0:52:43] Voice 9: that have been put forward and and all of the other jurisdictions in bc municipalities

[0:52:50] Voice 9: and where's the urge there we don't see the trust council trying to help

[0:52:53] Voice 7: salt spring out even though

[0:52:54] Voice 7: we pay them we

[0:52:55] Voice 10: have an agenda mr chair

[0:52:57] Voice 8: no you're right i was i was just going to get us back to we

[0:53:02] Voice 8: this is actually something uh trecerous that that's the total conduct is before the governance

[0:53:08] Voice 8: committee it's actually not directly

[0:53:11] Voice 7: the business of the local trust committee here i'm talking

[0:53:14] Voice 7: we're still in the

[0:53:14] Voice 7: trustee report section well

[0:53:16] Voice 8: that's not a

[0:53:17] Voice 7: question and i'm trying to pass that

[0:53:18] Voice 7: part but um so i'm just going to suggest i waited the call until the report was done by um the

[0:53:25] Voice 7: regional director of fulham yeah the speaker

[0:53:28] Voice 8: we're now we're not done with that i spoke prior to that

[0:53:31] Voice 8: now done on to the next section so the report section is so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna

[0:53:37] Voice 8: encourage you to reach out to uh director marler and to this discussion is going to

[0:53:43] Voice 8: bring down this discussion that's going to come back to governance committee that's where

[0:53:47] Voice 8: that sits at this

[0:53:48] Voice 7: point so

[0:53:49] Voice 8: i'm going to move us along um our next section is the draft minute

[0:53:53] Voice 8: of

[0:53:54] Voice 7: the may 16th regular meeting for adoption and is there anything on those minutes that needs

[0:54:07] Voice 7: minutes. Okay, so I'll take it by general consent. Those minutes are adopted as presented.

[0:54:15] Voice 8: And that brings us on to the correspondence section. We have three pieces of correspondence.

[0:54:20] Voice 7: And is there any desire

[0:54:23] Voice 8: for any action on these

[0:54:24] Voice 7: three items? First one, let's go one

[0:54:27] Voice 7: at a time. The first one is from the South Spring Island Farmers Institute dated May

[0:54:32] Voice 7: 14 regarding the cru employees bylaw no

[0:54:38] Voice 8: desire to take any action there um next we have uh

[0:54:44] Voice 8: a torp to the local trust committee with uh regional planning manager

[0:54:49] Voice 8: huttons replied it in may 16th anything on that one no and then last we have uh

[0:55:14] Voice 8: We'll take it then, we'll take those three pieces of correspondence for information.

[0:55:22] Voice 8: And next, on page 22, we have the follow-up action lists, and we'll look to staff to see

[0:55:30] Voice 8: if there's anything they'd like to update us

[0:55:32] Voice 7: on on that part

[0:55:33] Voice 7: uh thank you chair peterson i've

[0:55:37] Voice 7: sort of been parachuted in today uh the regional planning manager so i have further information

[0:55:42] Voice 7: okay is

[0:55:50] Voice 8: is uh is mr hutton not joining us online then today

[0:55:55] Voice 8: uh he was feeling pretty under the

[0:55:57] Voice 7: weather and so i'm not sure if he actually is uh

[0:56:00] Voice 7: available to participate in the zoom meeting it didn't sound like that i think he was

[0:56:03] Voice 7: having commission yeah okay there was something to suggest that we might join us on um

[0:56:09] Voice 8: trustees

[0:56:10] Voice 8: anything on the follow-up actually steve trusted doctor

[0:56:16] Voice 7: um page 24 i know the museum had um

[0:56:23] Voice 7: talked about the short-term rental um staff report back i guess you know the target

[0:56:36] Voice 7: it. That's the top page of 24. I have three there. I guess that's a problem, sorry.

[0:56:51] Voice 7: We've had another conversation, maybe it is, but anyway we talked much about the term rental

[0:56:56] Voice 7: and I know a staff will be looking at making it like a mini mini project. That's the right

[0:57:06] Voice 7: right one but um um and i know

[0:57:11] Voice 10: we've talked about also making it an agenda item for the crd

[0:57:16] Voice 10: joint meeting that's coming up um and i guess i guess my question probably more or less

[0:57:25] Voice 10: relates to the agenda for

[0:57:28] Voice 7: prepping for that meeting coming up of how that's going to be

[0:57:31] Voice 7: done because we did raise you know the agricultural questions from last week's meeting and related to

[0:57:38] Voice 7: the first weeks of the correspondence as well that there's some opportunity to perhaps talk about

[0:57:44] Voice 7: um agriculture as

[0:57:47] Voice 10: a healing topic that we've raised short for vacation rentals and i

[0:57:52] Voice 10: should have to wrap my brain as to whether or not we've raised other things over time as

[0:57:56] Voice 10: potential agenda items so i don't know how that agenda is going to be built since that

[0:58:00] Voice 10: sentence is you know i just don't know how that mechanism for building that agenda for that meeting

[0:58:10] Voice 7: thank you Justin Patrick through the chair I'm aware that there are discussions in the

[0:58:14] Voice 7: salt spring planning office right now about how that agenda is to be assembled

[0:58:19] Voice 7: I would suggest that there are specific items that the social trust committee wants to see

[0:58:24] Voice 7: on the agenda this might be an opportunity to give that direction to staff so we can

[0:58:31] Voice 7: be so we can ensure that it's included in the draft that again share with the chair director

[0:58:40] Voice 8: Yeah, thank you for that. I actually noted when Director Holman was giving his report

[0:58:46] Voice 8: that occurred to me that we might want to, and I would suggest probably maybe we should,

[0:58:55] Voice 8: if the trustees would like to do that, maybe we should put an item under new business at

[0:59:00] Voice 8: 15.2. Have a brief

[0:59:03] Voice 7: discussion about that because I think that is a bit of an omission. This

[0:59:07] Voice 7: this is our last meeting before that meeting.

[0:59:10] Voice 8: Trustees, any on for that idea?

[0:59:12] No, okay, so let's

[0:59:14] Voice 8: discuss that under 15.2 then.

[0:59:19] Voice 8: And anything else on the follow-up action list for trustees?

[0:59:27] Voice 8: No, so I have, I'm just gonna navigate back there.

[0:59:36] Voice 8: So I have a bit of a concern.

[0:59:38] Voice 8: there's there's two items on the follow-up action list that are letters

[0:59:44] Voice 8: one on page 24 is for the community boards recipients that's only from the

[0:59:53] Voice 8: May 16th meeting but more concerning from the timeline point of view is

[1:00:00] Voice 8: uh as the item uh there's actually two items uh for letters to the minister of housing and one of

[1:00:08] Voice 8: them is a response to a letter that dates back to january 8th um it's june and uh so i i know

[1:00:19] Voice 8: there's some capacity issues but um i am finding it concerning that the turnaround time um for

[1:00:27] Voice 8: these letters getting out uh january to june is pretty darn long in my view um there's another

[1:00:36] Voice 8: one to the ministry of housing uh oh no sorry that's not a letter but uh so there's that one's

[1:00:44] Voice 8: that one's really long and i think it's uh in terms of the uh the congratulatory letter to the

[1:00:50] Voice 8: community award recipients

[1:00:52] Voice 7: i i'd like to see that get out as soon as possible that's i think there's

[1:00:58] Voice 7: a lot of policy implications around sending out a simple

[1:01:02] Voice 7: congratulatory letter i do understand there are capacity issues in the office

[1:01:07] Voice 7: um but i'd like to see this course want to step up a little bit more promptly and then

[1:01:12] Voice 8: just wanted to mention that um and so if there's nothing else from trustees

[1:01:22] Voice 8: on the follow-up action list uh we'll keep moving along here uh so the net we have no um

[1:01:33] Voice 8: community information meaning public hearing and no applications today uh so that brings us to the

[1:01:40] Voice 8: official community plan uh bylaw ladies by the optic project and we uh that's gonna start on

[1:01:50] Voice 8: page 29 and i

[1:01:52] Voice 7: believe let's find the elements this

[1:01:59] Voice 2: thank

[1:02:01] Voice 7: you um as the ltc will will know

[1:02:06] Voice 7: will understand will recall um we've been working to provide you with and build up the sort of

[1:02:14] Voice 7: foundational project documents for this initiative over the last couple months to ensure that when

[1:02:20] Voice 7: the project launches with with energy and enthusiasm on august september we have the

[1:02:26] Voice 7: foundational documents in place to which the local trust committee and staff will return

[1:02:30] Voice 7: turn to guide the trajectory of the project and so that work continues in this agenda package with a

[1:02:39] Voice 7: potential scope of services for Atlanta Consultant to undertake work related to this OCP LUB update

[1:02:44] Voice 7: project. You'll see in the staff report here that there are a number of recommendations and I think

[1:02:50] Voice 7: maybe I'll just address each of those in turn and speak a little bit about each. So the first

[1:02:57] Voice 7: recommendation is that the ltc amend project terms of reference is shown in the version that's

[1:03:03] Voice 7: appended to this staff report you know this proposed amendment is minor and it gives me no

[1:03:09] Voice 7: great joy to suggest it but i think what it does is better align expectations with what can be

[1:03:18] Voice 7: actually realized as it relates to moving this

[1:03:22] Voice 7: project forward in a spirit of reconciliation

[1:03:26] Voice 7: that actually reflects what the nature of the relationship that we currently have with

[1:03:31] Voice 7: the First Nations that have treaty and territorial interests on Salt Spring Island.

[1:03:36] Voice 7: The original language in the proposed terms of reference is essentially one that reflects

[1:03:42] Voice 7: a request that we've received or that the LTC has received from nations in the past

[1:03:47] Voice 7: related to co-planning and co-design of planning projects on the island, which is where we

[1:03:56] Voice 7: would like to be certainly at the staff level and i think probably it's where where the trustees

[1:03:59] Voice 7: would like to be as well but i don't think in terms of relationships either staff to staff

[1:04:06] Voice 7: relationships or trustee to elected official relationships at the nations or even organizationally

[1:04:12] Voice 7: the islands trust is yet in the place where we can co-plan very well the nations that have

[1:04:19] Voice 7: expressed interests in the area and i don't want to leave this ltc down a project that is going to

[1:04:26] Voice 7: result in, I guess, disappointment and setting up expectations that the LTC can't reasonably meet.

[1:04:33] Voice 7: That being said, co-planning and co-design is where we'd like to get to eventually,

[1:04:40] Voice 7: and if that's where the LTC wants this project to be, then it certainly can

[1:04:46] Voice 7: with the caveat that that becomes the project for a little while, to just build up the relationships

[1:04:54] Voice 7: relationships and open the doors and take the time that it would take to actually embark on a

[1:05:02] Voice 7: co-design process is in itself the project at least at least it would become that for a little

[1:05:08] Voice 7: for a little while and you know staff aren't staff don't object to that but but that's just kind of

[1:05:14] Voice 7: the reality of where we are i think um as the trustees know the the landscape here on salt

[1:05:21] Voice 7: spring is particularly challenging in that so many nations have an interest in in this island

[1:05:28] Voice 7: and the waters around this island and so the notion of embarking on a co-plan process really

[1:05:34] Voice 7: has to take into consideration that there are different nations with interests and that we

[1:05:40] Voice 7: then would have to find some way to walk earthly bring together in a in a spirit of co-design

[1:05:49] Voice 7: And at sort of a very practical level, the fact that we already have a project in terms of

[1:05:54] Voice 7: reference means that we haven't co-designed and co-planned. We have already begun to formulate

[1:06:02] Voice 7: a project that hopefully meets the local trust committee and the community's objectives,

[1:06:07] Voice 7: but wasn't designed in consultation with nations. So anyways, you'll see the red line version in the

[1:06:14] Voice 7: agenda package, make some modest changes to the language that I

[1:06:18] Voice 7: think lowers the expectation around planning. And really,

[1:06:22] Voice 7: it's up to the LTC to decide whether or not that's an

[1:06:26] Voice 7: appropriate step to take or not.

[1:06:32] Voice 7: Second recommendation, I'm not sure if the LTC wants to discuss

[1:06:35] Voice 7: this recommendation by recommendation, or shall I

[1:06:37] Voice 7: continue?

[1:06:37] Voice 7: Just going to check with trustees and see if there's any

[1:06:40] Voice 7: uh before we move on any questions or comments on the the first part uh the project terms of

[1:06:49] Voice 7: reference trustee well i think we

[1:06:54] Voice 10: should address these

[1:06:55] Voice 7: one at a

[1:06:56] Voice 10: time because they are kind of

[1:06:57] Voice 10: distinct and uh issues um no i thank you for changing it i think it was staff that brought

[1:07:06] Voice 10: that language in there and i think uh and it was only this project that officially brought

[1:07:14] Voice 7: brought the request for co-planning forward to the local trust committee because that letter was

[1:07:18] Voice 7: never shared with the local trust committee um so we have an issue um in a very complex

[1:07:36] Voice 10: environment so uh did sue paulette also

[1:08:00] Voice 2: I

[1:08:02] Voice 8: would say that I appreciate the approach of putting

[1:08:13] Voice 7: in a program language that we're

[1:08:15] Voice 7: not promising more than we're delivering, but that's a better approach than over-promising

[1:08:25] Voice 7: intervention to be delivered. I heard Trustee Patrick mention that perhaps some other eyes should

[1:08:35] Voice 7: feel on this before we finalize it. So I'm certainly not opposed to that. My comments haven't been

[1:08:46] Voice 7: through. And

[1:08:50] Voice 7: as far as staff is concerned, would you want a resolution to that effect or can you

[1:08:57] Voice 7: just carry that out and bring this resolution back to us at a future meeting?

[1:09:00] Voice 7: i think the resolution of that would be helpful just a resolution would not say that

[1:09:06] Voice 7: amendments to the terms of reference would be reviewed by

[1:09:09] Voice 7: sue hallett i think i think that would be wise should be an expert in this regard

[1:09:20] Voice 7: sure it's also now about the trust committee who requests staff to have soon a lot of review they

[1:09:27] Voice 7: recommended uh okay amendments to the cpa my interest in terms of reference

[1:09:38] Voice 7: trustee garris i'm going to be second second motion um any further discussion

[1:09:48] Voice 3: oh good idea did

[1:09:51] Voice 8: you get the motion yes

[1:09:53] Voice 3: chair i did thank

[1:09:55] Voice 8: you uh anything

[1:09:58] Voice 8: further on the motion

[1:10:00] Voice 7: other than i'll note that i didn't have an opportunity to speak to um and i just found her

[1:10:07] Voice 7: approach to um our challenges and need i think very thoughtful and she's going to bring some

[1:10:16] Voice 7: some ideas and suggestions

[1:10:19] Voice 7: on how we go forward in a more relationship building way um so i'm

[1:10:26] Voice 7: i'm excited to have her on the team all

[1:10:31] Voice 9: right then because i'm sorry i'd definitely like to speak

[1:10:34] Voice 9: against the motion basically against any motion with this ocp project i feel

[1:10:44] Voice 7: that the severe

[1:10:46] Voice 7: housing crisis happening on salt spread spending time and

[1:10:50] Voice 9: more time it's very important

[1:10:55] Voice 9: those could be great things we could have done so okay

[1:11:04] Voice 8: um that being said then i'll call the

[1:11:09] Voice 8: question in favor opposed curiously so now right so let's move on then to the

[1:11:23] Voice 8: consultant scope of services right

[1:11:26] Voice 7: here let's hit the chair uh yeah so the second recommendation

[1:11:30] Voice 7: in the staff report relates to a proposed consultant scope of services which is attached

[1:11:36] Voice 7: The LTC will recall that in the business case that was submitted for this fiscal year, the

[1:11:42] Voice 7: LTC requested a budget of $96,000 for this project within which within that business

[1:11:49] Voice 7: case, approximately $50,000 was to be allocated to bring in a company consultant to provide

[1:11:54] Voice 7: some support, particularly around community engagement.

[1:11:56] Voice 7: The attached scope of services, I think, should reflect some of the skill set that is needed

[1:12:08] to help support this project, particularly as it does relate to engagement.

[1:12:15] Voice 7: The scope of services here is broken up across two fiscal years, basically indicating what

[1:12:23] Voice 7: we think could be reasonably accomplished within the current fiscal year and then also

[1:12:27] Voice 7: anticipating what a consultant would have to provide in the 25-26 fiscal year, assuming that

[1:12:35] Voice 7: this project is funded again through that fiscal year by Trust Council. Trying to craft the scope

[1:12:45] Voice 7: of services in a way that reflects our project needs, also some of the resourcing realities

[1:12:53] Voice 7: and also what we can expect of the budget that we have available to dedicate to this work.

[1:13:07] Voice 7: I'm not sure if we've actually got that balance quite right yet.

[1:13:11] Voice 7: And indeed, I think I was probably a little ambitious in suggesting that the LTC endorse the scope of services today.

[1:13:18] Voice 7: I'm not sure if it is as tight yet as it as it needs to be.

[1:13:22] Voice 7: so i welcome any comment that the trustees have on the scope of services as proposed as to whether

[1:13:27] Voice 7: you think this is the um the way that project budget is best used for the county for the for

[1:13:35] Voice 7: the fiscal year that we're now in really and you know a third of the way through basically

[1:13:45] Voice 8: thank you um trustees any comment on this section

[1:13:54] Voice 7: Thank you for bringing this forward.

[1:13:57] Voice 10: I do have concerns on the timing it takes us to

[1:14:00] Voice 10: get through procurement. So we do need to get moving. But that said, I'm a bit frustrated

[1:14:14] Voice 10: frustrated with the way we have to budget multi-year projects in this organization.

[1:14:23] Voice 10: And I think if we keep playing along, we're not sending the right messages that we've

[1:14:34] Voice 10: got to figure a better way to do this, because this is a

[1:14:37] Voice 10: project that we want to start and

[1:14:39] Voice 10: can finish successfully. And I think we need to build in a significant project management piece

[1:14:49] Voice 10: to this. Because you've done a terrific job salvaging this project, putting it on sound

[1:15:02] Voice 10: legs to start moving forward. And you're going to be moving on to the other things. And so that's fantastic for you. Not fantastic for us. So I think we need to find a way to build in project management, so that we can start this project and not hit those bumps.

[1:15:30] Voice 10: Because to do this successfully and quickly, we are asking a lot of the community, we are asking the community to be engaged and show up and participate, and we do have urgency that we need to address these issues.

[1:15:48] Voice 10: So the promises that we're making to start this project ought to finish it by June 26th is aggressive.

[1:16:02] And I don't think we're acting unreasonable as a local trust committee to expect that

[1:16:09] Voice 10: these resources be committed to and there until the project is done.

[1:16:19] Voice 10: So I think that I'd really like to see a little, little bit more time but in terms of what is it.

[1:16:29] Voice 10: What services do you need?

[1:16:31] Voice 10: Yes, we need to engage with this.

[1:16:35] Voice 2: And

[1:16:42] Voice 7: we do this, you know, for over a year, from the director of land planning,

[1:16:50] Voice 7: sorry

[1:16:50] Voice 10: we don't have the resources, sorry Salisbury doesn't have the resources, sorry Salisbury doesn't have the resources.

[1:16:55] Voice 10: I think

[1:17:02] Voice 7: we do have the resources, and we

[1:17:06] Voice 10: have to find them and commit them and package this

[1:17:11] Voice 10: with that aspect of the timeline building, of who's going to manage this.

[1:17:25] Voice 7: Chair, just to grade that a little further, trust in Patrick, so when you say project

[1:17:30] Voice 7: management, you're thinking of, you know, somebody who can be dedicated to the project

[1:17:36] Voice 7: to drive it?

[1:17:38] Voice 7: Well,

[1:17:39] Voice 10: it might not be someone, it might be a team.

[1:17:42] Voice 10: I think if we don't have the internal resources to commit to it, then we have to retain that.

[1:17:52] Voice 10: So if we're retaining the consulting services to include project management, we'd be better

[1:17:57] Voice 10: off having a consulting firm that provides that as well as the other technical aspects

[1:18:02] Voice 10: of the work so that they're managing themselves, not multiple firms. Unless that's what we need, but I think we need to do that gap assessment piece of what work do we need to help doing, and let's not oversell ourselves if we can't really commit to it.

[1:18:31] Voice 2: Let's be realistic, I'm just saying.

[1:18:38] Voice 7: that that leads in I think to a discussion about fourth recommendation which is

[1:18:43] Voice 7: consideration of business cases for next year but also indeed the resources that the LTC has

[1:18:48] Voice 7: available for this current fiscal year knowing that in addition to this year's budget for this

[1:18:57] Voice 7: project there is also project budget for Ganges village planning allocated for this fiscal year

[1:19:04] Voice 7: which at the current pace of action, my personal perspective is I'm hard-pressed to imagine there

[1:19:10] Voice 7: would be a great deal of action on the Yankee Village project this fiscal year. So there is

[1:19:18] Voice 7: money available in the Salisbury LTC account which in theory can potentially be redistributed

[1:19:27] Voice 7: or reallocated to meet the LTC's needs. Now obviously there's a few steps involved in making

[1:19:37] Voice 7: I'm not sure how that how that works, but that's about it, but

[1:19:45] Voice 10: it's we've had the worst conversations for you were at this table is is one of the challenges.

[1:19:54] Voice 10: When we talked about what Ganges, the Ganges project and one of the issues that the basis.

[1:20:00] Voice 10: In turn, urban containment zone, village containment zone, whatever we want to put a better name.

[1:20:06] Voice 10: that containment area that to do a containment area that that's in context of the whole

[1:20:14] Voice 10: so that's why when we talked about the projects kind of wrapping together at that aspect because

[1:20:20] Voice 10: you can't consider a containment area without thinking of the whole island in respect to that

[1:20:26] Voice 10: containment area so i've always assumed the projects are really a big chunk of it is the same

[1:20:33] Voice 10: because I think that containment area is a really important aspect of the OCC program.

[1:20:42] Voice 10: And I think it's probably one of the most important

[1:20:45] Voice 7: needs in terms of,

[1:20:49] Voice 7: you know, I look at sort of water in Ganges, the question how,

[1:20:55] Voice 10: right now we have each and every housing project is on their own to resolve the water issue,

[1:21:01] Voice 10: which is inefficient and effective and it's also high risk putting them on wells and and

[1:21:09] Voice 10: and i think we need to have a better way of communicating setting priorities of water

[1:21:17] Voice 10: um for ganges as a whole um then you know piecemealing those those projects would be

[1:21:26] Voice 10: be more effective um and helpful to probably less all spring to talk in a whole different

[1:21:34] Voice 10: so i i don't see an issue of combining those projects and i don't know what we need to do

[1:21:40] Voice 10: to make that clear because i know that's we've had those conversations that keeps getting separated

[1:21:46] Voice 10: yeah they

[1:21:47] Voice 7: need to be talked about together yeah so i would have to revisit what the what the

[1:21:53] Voice 7: current project charter is for the Gandy's village project because beyond just a village containment

[1:22:00] Voice 7: boundary in my mind folks think of Gandy's village planning like you know revisiting the

[1:22:06] Voice 7: form and character development permit area for example it's like are we talking at that scale

[1:22:13] Voice 7: and grain is it about sort of is it about the uses or is it about style right if it's about

[1:22:19] Voice 7: things like style it's about form and character then that's I guess a more and more nuanced and

[1:22:26] Voice 7: targeted type of village planning um so I guess I hold out to say I would have to see what the

[1:22:33] Voice 7: current scope of the Gany's village project is in order to tell you how how closely the two

[1:22:40] Voice 7: sort of align with them well

[1:22:44] Voice 10: without water what's form and character

[1:22:49] Voice 10: it's kind of chicken and egg I guess we're having that conversation if we don't have a theoretical

[1:22:55] Voice 10: density cap or threshold for Ganges and a way to service that density cap into the future

[1:23:04] Voice 10: then you know tumbleweeds and cactuses are uh his power um

[1:23:14] Voice 10: of our form and character.

[1:23:18] Voice 10: So I think these are the big issues

[1:23:21] Voice 10: that we're facing for Danties at a broader level,

[1:23:26] Voice 10: in terms of the overall OCP question is so relevant, too.

[1:23:34] Voice 7: GARY RIDLEY- Trustee Harris?

[1:23:35] Voice 7: CHRISTOPHER HARRIS JR.: You know, I really

[1:23:40] Voice 9: I'm weak from the side in religion interviews.

[1:23:45] Voice 9: And I don't and I'm not directing this at staff.

[1:23:53] Voice 9: it's a lot of clearly what your staff is doing is based on direction from elected

[1:24:01] Voice 9: representatives um or a lack of direction at the rate that we're going now again it just makes me

[1:24:15] Voice 9: believe uh to hear terms like tumbleweeds and cactus in my to me is sounds just preposterous

[1:24:26] Voice 9: water as we know with the consultants okay looked at the maxwell

[1:24:36] Voice 7: watershed stated clearly it's a 30

[1:24:38] Voice 7: million gallon annual surplus of water isn't being released that's

[1:24:44] Voice 9: a lot of water because

[1:24:47] Voice 9: the technologies that are out there i do not see an issue i hear a lot of you know skirting around

[1:24:56] Voice 9: this Ganges Village containment zone this kind of thing and it's clear to me that we can't deal

[1:25:05] Voice 9: with this it's clear to me because of the rate we're going the lack of direct specific concise

[1:25:16] Voice 9: direction for staff it's making it impossible for staff to do things in a timely fashion

[1:25:23] Voice 9: I don't know what needs to be done like at this point it's almost like back to the drawing board

[1:25:33] Voice 9: if we're going to be spending money let's spend it on something that's actually going to give the

[1:25:40] Voice 9: community something or it's zoning so i'm just i'm deeply sad whatever i tell what i hear i keep

[1:25:54] Voice 9: hearing and i but i don't even want to say it you know i'm i've got ptsd at this point from what i'm

[1:26:06] Voice 9: hearing from my fellow trustee so i'll leave it at that for now thank you any

[1:26:18] Voice 8: further on the scope

[1:26:20] Voice 7: of services which is what we're looking

[1:26:22] Voice 8: at just

[1:26:25] Voice 7: patrick um

[1:26:28] Voice 10: i guess i'm how can you clarify this

[1:26:33] Voice 10: conversation regarding budgets and scopes that get

[1:26:41] Voice 7: us well chair grant me a few minutes to

[1:26:49] Voice 7: to share together a resolution that might serve the purpose.

[1:26:53] Voice 7: Absolutely.

[1:26:54] Voice 7: Great.

[1:27:02] Voice 7: Well, we're almost out of time.

[1:27:04] Voice 7: I was thinking that we might want to schedule lunch.

[1:27:15] Voice 7: Or at least a break.

[1:27:22] Voice 7: Are you suggesting a short break?

[1:27:25] Voice 7: Staff have asked for a moment to write a quick statement.

[1:27:28] Voice 7: The opportunity is presented.

[1:27:30] Voice 7: Why don't they recess for 10 minutes?

[1:27:32] Voice 7: And let's come

[1:27:35] Voice 8: back and let's come back and after.

[1:28:22] Voice 2: Sure.

[1:28:43] Voice 7: Okay, so

[1:28:44] Voice 8: we're going to come

[1:28:45] Voice 7: back into session here.

[1:28:47] Voice 7: their diligence. And Preston Patrick, are you ready to vote?

[1:28:56] Voice 7: Sure.

[1:29:01] Voice 10: Again, I appreciate that breaking the ground in terms of

[1:29:07] Voice 10: reference today. This is our place for the local trust

[1:29:11] Voice 10: committee to provide comments and clarity. Moving forward.

[1:29:20] Voice 10: Another motion that I can make.

[1:29:24] Voice 10: I move that

[1:29:25] Voice 10: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to return with proposed

[1:29:29] Voice 10: amendments to the draft consultant scope of services that reflects available and, number

[1:29:35] Voice 10: one, available and anticipated staff resources, two, incorporation of Ganji Village planning

[1:29:44] Voice 10: project into the greater OCP land use bylaw update project, three, project management

[1:29:51] Voice 10: that these four budget implications for the 24-25

[1:29:55] Voice 7: fiscal year.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: move second um speak to your motion yeah

[1:30:10] Voice 10: um yeah hopefully it gives context i think it's

[1:30:14] Voice 10: i think it's just really

[1:30:14] Voice 7: important because i agree these all the documents are standing

[1:30:21] Voice 7: i think if we can build it

[1:30:26] Voice 10: officially building gandhi's clarity and also the project management

[1:30:31] Voice 7: into the project that

[1:30:35] Voice 7: That increases the

[1:30:36] Voice 7: success

[1:30:38] Voice 10: factors for finishing it this term.

[1:30:42] Voice 8: And just a curious minute to check in with Lisa Millard on capturing the motion.

[1:30:52] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair. Yes, I captured that motion.

[1:30:55] Voice 8: Okay, thank you. You do a fantastic job. I'm not quite sure how you pull it off, but thank you very much.

[1:31:03] Voice 8: Okay, well, that all sounds sensitive to me.

[1:31:06] Voice 7: and anything further, I'll just speak in opposition of the motion.

[1:31:14] Voice 7: That being the case, then, I'll call the question.

[1:31:16] Voice 7: All those in favour?

[1:31:19] Voice 7: Those opposed?

[1:31:21] Voice 7: May I have an opposition no to, please?

[1:31:24] Voice 7: And the motion carries.

[1:31:30] Voice 8: So back to you, Mr. Emerson.

[1:31:32] Voice 8: Thank you, Mr. Peterson.

[1:31:34] Voice 7: The third recommendation in the staff report relates to coming up with a name

[1:31:39] Voice 7: for this project that's a little more romantic than Salt Spring Island Oceans in the LEP update

[1:31:43] Voice 7: project. Primarily for the purposes of developing some project branding around this and to go forward

[1:31:49] Voice 7: to the community with a project name that sort of will entice and energize them to want to be

[1:31:56] Voice 7: involved in it. You'll see that the staff report contains five potential options that staff or the

[1:32:04] Voice 7: conservation with other staff and through the magic of the chat gpt generated to um potentially

[1:32:09] Voice 7: uh offer this ltc some some ways to to brand this project once the project does have a name then we

[1:32:16] Voice 7: can develop some graphic design support for the project as well so that there's an identifiable

[1:32:22] Voice 7: brand for the community on engagement um the ltc will note that all of these project names

[1:32:30] Voice 7: names touch on the theme of housing. I've already received some comment from the community

[1:32:36] Voice 7: that perhaps that is too strong emphasis on that. However, I tried to come up with some

[1:32:42] Voice 7: project names that reflect what I hear at this LTC table. It's a desire to be housing

[1:32:53] Voice 7: forward on this project, though not housing exclusive. So turn it over to the LTC for

[1:33:00] a discussion about what you name a project like this that captures the intent of the

[1:33:06] Voice 7: public and

[1:33:06] Voice 7: if you don't like any of these options i feel more than welcome to come up with your own

[1:33:10] Voice 7: ordinance and staff back to the drawing board to do a better job capturing the themes that you want

[1:33:18] Voice 7: to see take over yeah thank you uh trustees comments you kind of find the page that um

[1:33:27] Voice 7: Oh, it's on page 31. Are you interested, Patrick?

[1:33:38] Voice 7: Yeah, I can appreciate that idea of kind of brand things.

[1:33:45] Voice 7: It is a difficult

[1:33:46] Voice 7: task and a good day to do that.

[1:33:53] Voice 7: I was curious,

[1:33:58] Voice 10: I looked at Friday Harbor,

[1:34:01] Voice 10: or not Friday Harbor, I'm sorry,

[1:34:03] Voice 10: San Juan Island did their comprehensive plan update.

[1:34:07] Voice 10: What was their motto?

[1:34:11] Voice 10: It was engage San Juan County.

[1:34:15] Voice 10: Engage Salisbury.

[1:34:20] Voice 10: Yeah, I think something even because I think

[1:34:23] Voice 10: that's what we're trying

[1:34:28] Voice 7: to make it clear.

[1:34:29] Voice 7: We're trying equitable public engagement.

[1:34:31] Voice 7: We want people to feel that we're trying to secure people.

[1:34:35] Voice 7: that are a real cross section of the island and and it is it's it's while

[1:34:53] Voice 10: housing is our reason

[1:34:57] Voice 10: it's the pull you know it's where why how we're building houses we're one kind less of another

[1:35:04] Voice 10: that type of thing so i think um again like it's complicated to try to get across

[1:35:12] Voice 10: across another thing. So I thought of something simpler.

[1:35:23] Voice 7: Just

[1:35:25] Voice 9: here. Thank you. It's clear and has been clear for years

[1:35:31] Voice 9: that

[1:35:32] Voice 7: housing we needed was without the workforce. And

[1:35:42] Voice 9: again, my position is pretty well in school program.

[1:35:46] Voice 7: I would

[1:35:47] Voice 7: there's some other kind of answers to what the name might be it's considered tapping

[1:35:53] Voice 7: something another six million dollars and more of what was forced to leave

[1:36:01] Voice 7: so uh

[1:36:09] Voice 2: so i'm not

[1:36:09] Voice 8: hearing a solid endorsement to make these five uh do appreciate the work i think

[1:36:18] Voice 8: coming up with these uh these

[1:36:22] Voice 7: type of tags is it's not an easy um not an easy thing to do but uh

[1:36:30] Voice 9: trustee harris and um again this isn't named uh staff especially stuff that's connected

[1:36:37] Voice 9: this is great we did this but um i shouldn't say it's great you made an effort good for you

[1:36:49] Voice 9: that's too bad. That's the case. It's not aimed at anything you've done wrong. It's

[1:36:58] Voice 9: clearly as I've stated. So

[1:37:15] Voice 7: not hearing a strong endorsement for any of these. Anyone want

[1:37:26] Voice 7: to propose something different or I guess the other option noted here is to send staff

[1:37:32] Voice 7: back to the drawing board is the other comment. I guess if our

[1:37:40] Voice 9: name is in your chair. Yeah.

[1:37:41] Voice 9: My suggestion would be that there's no way to sugarcoat it once this is happening.

[1:37:47] Voice 9: The idea to try and sugarcoat it to me is fruitless.

[1:37:54] Maybe I'll just be called what it is, and

[1:37:56] Voice 9: staff time and taxpayers' dollars can be spent trying to make sure we do the program.

[1:38:13] Voice 2: Anything further on this?

[1:38:14] Voice 2: Well, I mean, it's, it

[1:38:28] Voice 7: is

[1:38:30] Voice 10: a community plan updater. I know official community plan is a document that we all know what it means.

[1:38:40] Voice 7: But I'm not strongly held on that we need a model at all. You know, I don't know that

[1:38:53] Voice 10: we are small, maybe one will form itself as

[1:38:57] Voice 10: continue

[1:38:58] Voice 7: on um i don't think we can ourselves and not someone okay

[1:39:08] Voice 8: so uh but certainly we don't have

[1:39:10] Voice 8: to uh advance any resolution on this today ltc is not there i

[1:39:17] Voice 10: think we can test a couple around you

[1:39:19] Voice 10: know like i'm just testing salt spring somebody yelled at me yesterday walking through town

[1:39:25] Voice 10: And it's all green, so I don't know.

[1:39:29] Voice 10: Resonate to someone.

[1:39:32] Voice 8: Okay, then.

[1:39:32] Voice 8: So let's move

[1:39:33] Voice 7: on to the fourth recommendation.

[1:39:36] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair.

[1:39:37] Voice 7: And this, I can't believe I'm saying this,

[1:39:41] Voice 7: but we are beginning the budgeting cycle for the coming fiscal year.

[1:39:47] Voice 7: So the planning manager had requested that we improve this resolution,

[1:39:53] seeking direction to staff to prepare an analysis

[1:39:57] of

[1:39:57] Voice 7: major budget needs, project budget needs in the 2025-2026 fiscal year with proposed

[1:40:02] Voice 7: business case revisions. This is also not an open list of major projects to reflect

[1:40:08] Voice 7: whatever that analysis may reveal.

[1:40:13] Voice 7: Yeah, thank you. It's certainly never too early to start preparing in regards to the

[1:40:20] Voice 8: timing. I think the only help we see on the work that's earlier out of the gate than this

[1:40:29] Voice 8: is is uh that's uh due to some issues with the

[1:40:35] Voice 7: allocation and budget from last year so um

[1:40:41] Voice 7: trustees my move that the solstice

[1:40:54] Voice 9: so

[1:40:58] Voice 7: moved seconded you

[1:41:01] Voice 8: want to speak to the motion all right no i

[1:41:09] Voice 10: think i think through the corporate

[1:41:10] Voice 10: planning and this is an area that we need to change the way we do major projects at Yarmouth's Trust.

[1:41:19] Voice 10: We just initiated the conversation with the Regional Planning Committee. We operate a small project fund

[1:41:28] that we can operate a major project fund and set it up like municipalities. We can do a strategic plan,

[1:41:36] the first term,

[1:41:37] Voice 10: and plan the work on this major project. And so I think change will come.

[1:41:48] Voice 10: eventually we'll get there and we have to realize that these projects are multi-year projects

[1:41:53] Voice 10: yeah

[1:42:01] Voice 8: certainly that's that the long-term planning for these multi-year projects is

[1:42:07] Voice 8: is important and that's uh the big motivation up there on the ski where we've been working on ours

[1:42:13] Voice 8: for a fairly long time and found ourselves in a position where we had to reduce the scope of

[1:42:19] Voice 8: the project despite the fact that we hadn't spent all the money uh so if there's nothing further

[1:42:28] Voice 8: they're all called a question on motion all those in favor that carries uh so next up uh in the

[1:42:38] Voice 7: business section we have a bylaw enforcement policy report on page 53 and i'll turn it over

[1:42:47] Voice 7: to the manager manager of compliance enforcement thank you chair so the report that i'm presenting

[1:43:00] Voice 7: today, it actually has two sections to it really. It's a by-law file update and also

[1:43:06] Voice 7: to present the law enforcement policy that provided statistics on the current number

[1:43:16] Voice 7: of files opened for Salt Spring Open Trust Area. And there's also the first recommendation

[1:43:22] Voice 7: that is requesting that the LTC directs that to close the files for

[1:43:29] Voice 7: non-profit controlings

[1:43:38] So that would be the first part of the report, I think the LTC is clear, the housing is priority,

[1:43:46] you've

[1:43:48] Voice 7: deferred enforcement on non-compliant dwellings, so those files really should be

[1:43:52] closed unless there are these other issues or at some point in the future there's new complaints.

[1:43:59] So

[1:44:00] Voice 7: that's the first issue presented and the first recommendation presented by the trust committee.

[1:44:07] Voice 7: The rest of the report deals with enforcement policies.

[1:44:12] I've referenced here trust council policies, that's

[1:44:16] Voice 7: what we're working with now.

[1:44:19] Voice 7: But in the end they don't cover all of the issues.

[1:44:21] Voice 7: They don't cover local trust committee issues that speak specifically to enforcement.

[1:44:27] Voice 7: They don't speak to, you know, site inspections, how those are done, time to comply, the basis

[1:44:34] of complaints, definitions of, say, minor contraventions or use of discretion by staff.

[1:44:42] Voice 7: So what has already been presented to the Regional Planning Committee is a template

[1:44:50] on by-law enforcement to tie in with the by-law enforcement project that they're doing.

[1:45:00] going through the office first recommendations of service and this would tie in with that

[1:45:08] and my proposal is to instead of having local trustees adopt

[1:45:14] Voice 7: separate standing resolutions

[1:45:16] Voice 7: from time to time to deal with specific issues and concerns you put it into a policy document

[1:45:22] for your local trust area that's the proposed policies that's been presented to address these

[1:45:30] issues. There are two

[1:45:33] Voice 7: parts to it. It's called the general policies on specific issues,

[1:45:41] Voice 7: closing files and communications. And then part B, the screening officer's powers of duties,

[1:45:47] Voice 7: which again is adopted by the local trust committee on how you want the screening

[1:45:53] Voice 7: officer to do business when they can close or when they can cancel violation notices.

[1:46:01] Voice 7: So the second recommendation for the local trust committee is really asking if you want

[1:46:09] Voice 7: amendments to this, if you want it revised, it's entirely up to the local trust committee

[1:46:15] Voice 7: if you want to do this policy document, but I am going to present it to all LTCs eventually

[1:46:21] Voice 7: and it's from under the standard template and the local trust has concerns they want edits

[1:46:29] Voice 7: they want additions this right now i would say incomplete i think you need to have the specific

[1:46:36] exception regarding vexatious complaints or frivolous complaints how we deal with those

[1:46:43] some

[1:46:44] Voice 7: of the policies in this proposed document that there are it does reference vexation

[1:46:50] Voice 7: complaints to the fact okay if we establish that we'll close files and you know hopefully

[1:47:00] Voice 7: from the report it's clear what the intention is on you know this is really the local trust

[1:47:08] Voice 7: committee defining the responsibility of all of our enforcement officers what they're doing

[1:47:14] Voice 7: and what policies you want us to follow and also distinct and somewhat specific issues

[1:47:23] Voice 7: Okay,

[1:47:28] Voice 8: thank you, uh, trustees. Thoughts, questions?

[1:47:38] Voice 7: Um, thank you.

[1:47:43] Voice 7: Um, I'm a little frustrated. The

[1:47:47] Voice 10: Bi-Law Compliance and Enforcement Review Project, it's not a regional project. It's Trust Council's project.

[1:47:54] Voice 10: And

[1:47:55] Voice 7: I was surprised, even I'm the chair, but I was at another event chair last night, and

[1:48:03] Voice 7: they did not approve that item that they recommended to trust counsel, the trust counsel to approve

[1:48:09] Voice 7: the changes.

[1:48:12] Voice 7: Because the bylaw court, it's an

[1:48:13] Voice 10: overall really important issue to trust counsel and purpose

[1:48:37] Voice 7: I understand what

[1:48:39] Voice 10: you're trying to do with the proposed policies and I think they're

[1:48:47] Voice 10: important to think about and go through well but i think we've got

[1:48:52] Voice 10: to do that

[1:48:52] Voice 7: well we're going to

[1:48:54] Voice 7: restore public confidence we've got to take our time to the right um because people people are

[1:49:07] Voice 7: having to resort to illegal forms of housing because that's all there is on this island

[1:49:16] Voice 7: thousands of employees um you know in order to get rid of illegal forms of houses and trailers

[1:49:25] Voice 7: and all these things that

[1:49:27] Voice 10: grocery stores will close the hospital will be closed school will be

[1:49:32] Voice 10: closed um that that this

[1:49:38] Voice 7: isn't a minor issue it's a big issue here on the side and people are

[1:49:47] Voice 7: are desperate and trying to do the right thing.

[1:49:53] Voice 7: And these directions become, they're not regulations,

[1:50:06] Voice 7: but they are the clarity that we have as to what's OK

[1:50:10] Voice 7: and what's not OK.

[1:50:12] Voice 7: And so I think we've got to really be comfortable

[1:50:17] Voice 10: that if we're saying we're not going

[1:50:20] Voice 10: to enforce for these reasons, that we understand them.

[1:50:24] Voice 10: and the people who are on the receiving end of the enforcement understand what to do and uh

[1:50:32] Voice 10: yeah

[1:50:33] Voice 7: because i i you know yes there are people who are going to break the rules and they're

[1:50:38] going to continue to break the rules and no matter what we do those those folks exist

[1:50:44] i really truly believe most people are trying to do the right thing they're trying to do themselves

[1:50:50] Voice 7: or they're dealing with a situation that they have to be in and they want to do the right thing

[1:50:56] Voice 7: so they have to look for where they can get that information and they're they're making decisions

[1:51:04] Voice 7: and you need to help them make good decisions um and lessen their experience of a bylaw enforcement

[1:51:12] Voice 7: officer shows up so i think this is too quick i need to take our time to look at this and think

[1:51:25] Voice 7: about um how we want to clarify um our priorities and what they mean because please talking to the

[1:51:38] Voice 7: people who are on the receiving end of these um of these priorities i think we need to go out not

[1:51:46] Voice 7: just you know how we see it on our side but how are how is it showing up to the people um and

[1:51:54] Voice 7: give their feedback how do they what are they doing this to me okay those type of things so

[1:52:01] Voice 7: i think we should take our time and do it right so that we are truly solving so just for

[1:52:13] Voice 7: clarification the trust council policies for bylaw and compliance and enforcement for broad policies

[1:52:23] and the work that's going to be done with that are not going to address local trust area specific

[1:52:29] specific issues so there will be recommendations and

[1:52:34] Voice 7: amendments made to that policy uh but this

[1:52:37] Voice 7: policy is really trust me because you're the enforcement you're the land use authority you

[1:52:44] are the committee that says how

[1:52:46] Voice 7: enforcement whether or not it's going to happen in a lot of

[1:52:50] Voice 7: ways how it's going to happen and when it's going to happen so those is that you're going to find

[1:53:05] Voice 7: So they'll have their set of policies for local trust committees as a whole, and they're

[1:53:12] Voice 7: required and that would be good, but for each local trust committee, each local trust committee

[1:53:19] passes resolutions on the solve and say, this is the policies we want violent enforcement

[1:53:24] with staff to follow and the purpose of this document is having one document instead of

[1:53:30] 10 standing resolutions you can put it all into one document and say this is the direction that

[1:53:38] we should take i'd just like to make that distinction about

[1:53:41] Voice 7: what trust council policies

[1:53:42] Voice 7: are going to say especially around managing resources and the scope document that is going

[1:53:50] Voice 7: to be combined with the office person recommendations and then there's going to be

[1:54:00] Voice 7: and whether or not you enforce you can give discretion to staff say you're not going to

[1:54:05] Voice 7: force on unlawful dwellings okay once it's you just you've got it we've opened the file

[1:54:11] Voice 7: we found an unlawful uncompliant dwelling there's no other concerns staff close the file

[1:54:17] Voice 7: and it's actually a streamline of the process to a certain extent but if you're not concerned

[1:54:29] Voice 7: We don't have to take up LTC time, extra reports going on, we've already given direction to staff, if you're not concerned about this, close it, if you have vexatious complaints, close it, those types of issues that will LTC us to resolve and determine what they want to do.

[1:54:55] Voice 7: Yeah, thank you for that. And I would just note that the Region Planning Committee's work program was discussed at Executive Committee and a little bit of a correction because the program wasn't actually on Trust Council's agenda for approval.

[1:55:19] So that's been corrected, so no doubt there will be some discussion at

[1:55:23] Voice 7: Trust Council on

[1:55:26] Voice 7: that project.

[1:55:28] Voice 7: Trustee Harris?

[1:55:29] Voice 7: Thank you Mr. McMillan for your efforts here.

[1:55:34] Voice 9: So I agree there's maybe more to be done, but with the structure we have right now,

[1:55:43] Voice 9: it's going to be a struggle to add, because this really shines a

[1:55:55] Voice 7: light on the issue that

[1:55:58] Voice 7: there's clearly a housing problem other

[1:56:12] Voice 9: things that help address that issue you know and even

[1:56:16] Voice 9: in the best case scenario things would be a

[1:56:18] Voice 7: horse approach to better people having trailers i've had

[1:56:21] Voice 7: trailers nobody wants to do that but a camping kind of trailer all throughout the winter around

[1:56:27] Voice 7: here it's not a nice not

[1:56:31] Voice 9: a nice situation really especially if you have a family in that situation

[1:56:37] Voice 9: Some are living in glorified tents, again, it shines a light on what needs to be done.

[1:56:50] Voice 9: I do, I have concerns with, you know, septic system and maybe that's where we can focus

[1:56:56] Voice 9: on some amendments because at this point you hate to enforce against anybody unless there's

[1:57:09] Voice 9: like a gross blatant purposefully kind of negligent type of behavior regarding septic i

[1:57:22] Voice 9: realize there are other ways of dealing with some people have an outhouse i think that's just fine

[1:57:33] Voice 9: but sometimes not sewage ish which is you know when we talk about forest it was nice enough to

[1:57:42] Voice 9: show us the different traps

[1:57:43] Voice 7: and clean outs and stuff and you know that's all great but

[1:57:48] because instead the real question is where is it when you open the trap where is it going right

[1:57:55] so i think there's you know room to work with people that are interested in this in the

[1:58:06] situation that they find themselves in

[1:58:11] Voice 9: being forced to live in a way so i'm not sure what

[1:58:17] Voice 9: direction exactly to give in that regard but i do see i

[1:58:34] Voice 8: just note that the there's two

[1:58:38] Voice 8: recommendations here the one that one is about closing files the other one is about uh post bylaw

[1:58:48] Voice 8: policy there are two distinct

[1:58:51] Voice 8: issues there uh with regard to the uh the questions around uh septic

[1:58:58] Voice 8: systems but connected right well they're just certainly there i mean they're both bylaws

[1:59:03] Voice 8: but what i'm saying is that one one or the other could be advanced but we can't close if

[1:59:12] Voice 8: yeah well within within the recommendation number one i hear you you what i think i've

[1:59:19] Voice 8: heard you say is that uh is that uh the inadequate septic systems part of it is

[1:59:27] Voice 8: that is

[1:59:27] Voice 7: maybe more uh or could be more nuanced yeah as presented um and so i guess my my comment

[1:59:36] and being connected is that once we, not

[1:59:40] Voice 9: until we can figure that out, can then we give direction

[1:59:42] Voice 9: to go ahead and close.

[1:59:45] Do you understand where I'm going with that?

[1:59:47] Yeah.

[1:59:47] Because then let's say, well, Propella could say, well, we don't want to close this because

[1:59:52] of the inadequate septic system, or possibly they could have, if I clearly mentioned that.

[1:59:59] Voice 8: Right.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: sense yeah no i think i think i get what you're saying um and of course it's not uh it's not

[2:00:06] helpful for today but uh uh there

[2:00:10] Voice 8: is advocacy uh uh from islands trust to avicc and hopefully

[2:00:17] Voice 8: eventually down the road come to uh to meeting abc municipalities uh around uh composting toilets

[2:00:24] Voice 8: it's around uh around uh grey water and uh and the provincial regulations which is part of part of

[2:00:34] Voice 7: what we're constrained by to some extent and i see uh energy it has something to say for

[2:00:41] clarification if the ldc passes the recommended motion number one today i believe the majority

[2:00:46] of the 45 current open files will be closed there'll just be a few remaining files left

[2:00:54] or there may

[2:00:54] Voice 7: be concerns about inadequate second system so may be able to close 40 files if you

[2:01:01] Voice 7: pass this resolution the ldc can also just say right now you want to close all the files just

[2:01:08] bring it up on the second part of the motion you can just close all the files for the flight

[2:01:12] the

[2:01:14] Voice 7: opportunity here

[2:01:22] Voice 10: while i understand first you're talking about the mechanics of bylaw

[2:01:27] Voice 10: force them to know what our inputs are this question of

[2:01:32] Voice 7: adequacy and and answers to septic

[2:01:37] system is not just the salt spring local trust committee issue i know we have the most that are

[2:01:44] facing the need for this but there

[2:01:48] Voice 7: are other islands that are also facing facing this need

[2:01:51] Voice 7: and I look at the other you know we have trailers

[2:01:55] Voice 10: have been allowed for ever in our OCP and land use

[2:02:01] Voice 10: bylaws were used for 90 days you know

[2:02:03] Voice 7: somebody has them and they're

[2:02:05] Voice 7: connected so clearly we must

[2:02:07] Voice 7: have had some standard for what that is okay because they can you know people are allowed

[2:02:12] Voice 7: to have them on their property connected to the subject so what does that look like or did we not

[2:02:18] Voice 10: have

[2:02:18] Voice 7: standards for what that looks like uh what does the water connection look like what does

[2:02:22] Voice 7: the subject connection look like and the same with the two-year construction of the home so

[2:02:29] there's been some standards developed um i would hope and i think that's i think the benefit we

[2:02:37] should that that goes hand in hand if that makes sense it's not just adequate or you know exists

[2:02:43] or even the words, you

[2:02:46] Voice 7: know, it has an approved septic system, but what if there's, you know,

[2:02:50] Voice 7: a house, an accessory going into the trailer and, you know,

[2:02:54] Voice 10: it may have been approved,

[2:02:55] Voice 10: but was it designed, you

[2:02:57] Voice 7: know, for the load that it's receiving?

[2:03:00] Voice 7: So I think that's, it's just a little bit more clarity around those words would be beneficial

[2:03:07] Voice 7: official um so that we know where there's take take a little more gray out of the gray water

[2:03:17] Voice 7: of this issue chair the standard is beyond beyond sets the same we're not trying to set a new

[2:03:28] Voice 7: standard here the in order for it to be fully lawful it must be a system that is uh registered

[2:03:36] and bank run out or registered on-site waste with their practice districts have designed it

[2:03:42] it's been installed they registered bha bha accept accepts it that's the same if that isn't happening

[2:03:52] uh what we're looking for i guess we could put it into the document by some clarification

[2:03:58] the offense in the local in your land use

[2:04:00] Voice 7: bylaw is the disposal of waste on land

[2:04:03] Voice 7: so if there's no disposal of waste on land then that is adequate they're doing something that

[2:04:09] Voice 7: provides adequate septic services either they're pumping it out or they have designed some type of

[2:04:15] Voice 7: system on site that the register registered on-site waste practitioner is happy with

[2:04:22] Voice 7: their system uh if there are issues with d-hon that has to be there in the health offices d-hon

[2:04:29] Voice 7: has to settle the standard of whether or not that system meets their requirements their regulations

[2:04:36] Voice 7: But what we're looking at is their disposal of waste into an open pit or just directly

[2:04:45] out onto land, which does occur, if someone's getting it pumped out, they got receipts,

[2:04:51] that's adequate septic.

[2:04:54] Voice 7: There's no offence with them disposing of waste on land, or if they're using an outhouse.

[2:05:00] Voice 7: BHAD doesn't accept an outhouse, but someone builds an outhouse, maybe that's the adequate

[2:05:09] with something they're not just dumping waste out of the land either grey water or black water that

[2:05:15] does happen

[2:05:19] Voice 7: well i think you know that's what we would help is having the clarity around that i

[2:05:26] Voice 7: don't think we have to have regulations to explain how to build that but i think we need a little

[2:05:31] more clarity than just

[2:05:32] Voice 7: what something needs a little bit more clarity

[2:05:52] Voice 8: concerning the recommendations

[2:05:54] Voice 8: nations here is there uh trustees

[2:06:01] Voice 7: we have a member of the public that wants to

[2:06:05] Voice 7: comment at this point to you to see if i'm happy to do it okay sorry if it's unusual i'm not

[2:06:14] Voice 7: familiar with the procedure um just

[2:06:17] Voice 5: uh two two one is the question with the point of information

[2:06:21] uh the

[2:06:21] Voice 5: question is sounds like there's two resolutions could they be split

[2:06:24] Voice 5: And yes, the point of information is,

[2:06:28] Voice 7: which is in the paper presented, which is, theoretically

[2:06:33] Voice 7: it is possible to have an engineer approved, BHA approved composting outhouse type situation

[2:06:41] Voice 7: and project process is another thing that's out there and as Warren said, it's just a

[2:06:52] Voice 7: road to work.

[2:06:53] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[2:06:56] Voice 8: yeah and then we actually have two recommendations that that

[2:07:01] Voice 7: can be set they already are accepted

[2:07:03] Voice 7: thoughts

[2:07:09] Voice 8: on uh our desire to proceed on either of these today certainly i heard uh manager james

[2:07:19] Voice 8: say that their potential to close a number of files um

[2:07:25] Voice 7: that's very interesting and i suppose

[2:07:31] I suppose that it's one approach would be to go ahead and consider

[2:07:37] Voice 8: the first recommendation

[2:07:39] Voice 8: and while we've heard that it may not close all the files, it would close a significant

[2:07:45] number and then the local trust committee might consider how it wants to approach sort

[2:07:52] of the

[2:07:52] Voice 7: larger issues around those definitions.

[2:07:57] Voice 7: Well, I'm in agreement I think that we need a bit more specificity to inadequate septic

[2:08:07] Voice 7: systems and other

[2:08:09] Voice 9: alternatives before we can pass the recommendation, although I do want

[2:08:16] Voice 9: to see files closed.

[2:08:19] Voice 8: So what I'm suggesting is that we could pass the recommendation as presented, which would

[2:08:29] Voice 8: would close a significant number of files

[2:08:30] Voice 8: is what we're hearing.

[2:08:32] Voice 8: And then we could, we can still look into those questions,

[2:08:39] Voice 8: which would be, which can be done

[2:08:44] Voice 8: whether we pass this recommendation today or not,

[2:08:47] Voice 8: but

[2:08:48] Voice 7: the passing of the recommendation today

[2:08:49] Voice 7: will close a number of files, so let's.

[2:08:51] Voice 7: I don't think I'm prepared to pass the recommendation.

[2:08:54] Voice 7: Okay. Let's talk more about it.

[2:08:55] Voice 7: I would like to close the files today.

[2:08:58] Voice 7: Mr. Dingman, you said you just said we can address the local trust committee can close

[2:09:09] Voice 7: these files if we choose.

[2:09:10] Voice 7: We don't have to pass the recommendation.

[2:09:13] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:09:13] Voice 7: Through the Chair, Trustee Harris, you can make a motion to say you want all the non-compliant

[2:09:19] Voice 7: dwelling files closed at this time.

[2:09:22] Voice 7: So

[2:09:23] Voice 8: yeah, no, certainly in that and I think you could just put a period after dwelling

[2:09:31] Voice 8: I'm just looking at, I'm just trying to get a sense of where that's where I would be wants to. That's where

[2:09:36] Voice 7: I feel comfortable at this point because I do like what's happening here.

[2:09:39] Voice 7: With the structure that we have, we have this trust, this is what we have to work with. So, but I think that some more time can be put into this and it can actually be something that can help with, because clearly there's been issues. So that's where I'm at.

[2:09:57] Voice 7: Trustee Patrick.

[2:09:58] Voice 7: I think I'd be a little uncomfortable saying close all the files. I think that's a little too far. I think if you're saying close the files where there are no concerns for safety, and I think that's a more responsible option as presented, and then we do more work on the second piece to provide that clarity.

[2:10:23] Voice 7: the problem i see with that is that what what direction i'm pointing to the vital enforcement

[2:10:29] Voice 7: as to you know the the you know where are there's no health issues because again we don't

[2:10:39] is it maybe these people haven't out of files should be possibly closed at this point until

[2:10:43] this can all

[2:10:44] Voice 9: be ironed out um i'm just concerned that a bunch of problems won't be closed because

[2:10:51] because Mr. Dingman is doing his job, and there may be a

[2:10:55] Voice 7: thing that's not in line with BHAW,

[2:10:59] Voice 7: and that makes a bunch of folks, you know, enforcement files on there still.

[2:11:07] Voice 7: Mr. Patrick?

[2:11:09] Voice 7: Well, I see this sort of as a phased approach.

[2:11:11] You know, the standards of today that staff applies

[2:11:14] Voice 7: aren't applying to a certain number.

[2:11:17] Voice 7: Close those today. So that addresses those issues.

[2:11:20] Voice 7: Can

[2:11:21] Voice 9: we change

[2:11:21] Voice 7: the wording to something along the lines, close the file of files for non-credited dwellings?

[2:11:34] Voice 1: I

[2:11:35] Voice 8: mean, if we wanted to, we can, essentially, we can do whatever we want.

[2:11:38] Voice 8: If we want to just remove the part about inadequate septic systems, we could.

[2:11:47] Voice 7: Justice Patrick?

[2:11:48] Voice 7: Well, like I said, there has been a standard, staff have applied a standard that they're fine.

[2:11:52] Voice 7: So it's more, yes, there will be a chunk that have open files.

[2:11:58] Voice 7: My understanding would be that there's someone that exists and they remain open.

[2:12:02] Voice 10: Can we use it to carry on

[2:12:04] Voice 10: the conversation about how to solve that issue once we complete that

[2:12:09] conversation some of those files may pass that test at that point some more come off the list

[2:12:16] um and that you're narrowing down to the ones that actually have problems that are inadequate

[2:12:23] quick and possibly that's you know it's

[2:12:27] Voice 10: going to kind of be a couple steps to get get there

[2:12:31] Voice 10: and

[2:12:32] Voice 8: certainly what i what i heard uh manager dingley say is that uh he estimates that 40 out

[2:12:38] Voice 8: of 45 files will be closed by this motion uh which means there'd be five uh files left um that uh

[2:12:48] Voice 8: uh that that may be the problematic ones

[2:12:53] Voice 7: um

[2:12:54] Voice 8: so that does seem like that might be uh

[2:12:58] Voice 8: and then i think we could pass the motion as it's presented and

[2:13:01] Voice 7: then um go back and have a look at

[2:13:04] Voice 7: those those uh uh five remaining files and see what what this committee thinks is acceptable

[2:13:11] Voice 7: and reasonable uh in terms of what type of uh issues there are around health and safety and

[2:13:18] Voice 7: and a septic on those files.

[2:13:21] Voice 7: I think we heard Mr.

[2:13:22] Voice 8: Tingman say that in some cases

[2:13:23] Voice 8: there are open pits.

[2:13:28] I'm not sure how anyone else feels about that,

[2:13:30] Voice 8: but that does seem like something-

[2:13:33] Voice 8: I'm just saying that seems like something maybe

[2:13:35] Voice 8: that the local trust committee doesn't want to endorse.

[2:13:41] Voice 8: So I think that's my sense is that the reason

[2:13:44] Voice 8: that the the uh recommendation is written as it is it's it's going to it's going to remove most

[2:13:52] Voice 8: of the files and and really just leave us down to a small number of the most egregious ones and we

[2:13:57] Voice 8: could we could uh we could ask for some reporting on more specifics to to see if we need to go

[2:14:03] Voice 8: further or be more permissive at that point uh management so a chair a maybe a change to the

[2:14:10] burden to the weather files for the non-compliance

[2:14:14] Voice 7: to be closed where there is no evidence of

[2:14:17] Voice 7: disposal of waste on land but that provides some clarity that there's no disposal of waste on the

[2:14:23] Voice 7: land then there's no offense okay so that's pretty a lot more specific trustees what are you thinking

[2:14:32] Voice 7: open waste possibly yeah i don't know there's there would be explicitly no if there's no

[2:14:39] Voice 7: There's no evidence that people are just dumping their waste, they're bringing your black water

[2:14:43] Voice 7: out into the land, just straight on onto the land or into a pit, then there's no offence

[2:14:48] Voice 7: under your land use file, under the section states you cannot dispose of waste on land.

[2:14:53] Voice 7: So how would you interpret that if we were to do that, if you saw somebody with an outhouse?

[2:15:00] Voice 7: That's not disposing of, I do not interpret that as disposing waste onto the land.

[2:15:04] what we see is people will literally run pipes they haven't built the system they're literally

[2:15:11] Voice 7: dumping their waste gray and black on into the land or some part of their property they just

[2:15:19] Voice 7: dump it there some low-lying area or they'll think of an open pit an open pit it's there's

[2:15:26] Voice 7: a big difference with seeing i have an outhouse or i have a composted system or here's the system

[2:15:31] Voice 7: my engineers and built myself this was my lease and then those people it's a minority who just

[2:15:37] Voice 7: literally don't work up into open pits or just let it float downhill somewhere so that's some

[2:15:48] Voice 8: more satisfactory and then certainly we could look at the uh we could ask for future reporting

[2:15:54] Voice 8: and see how many files remain after that so in the

[2:15:58] Voice 7: policy dog we get the following septic system

[2:16:01] Voice 7: or adequate septic system provided in that document here's the definitions that the local

[2:16:06] Voice 7: trustee wants to use that's throughout providing direction to staff on you know what what are the

[2:16:13] Voice 7: standards why are you defining here's your standard for adequate septic and then that's

[2:16:19] Voice 7: guidance to staff on out of the force or closed box okay trustees uh is anyone prepared to make

[2:16:34] Voice 7: a motion is suggested which would be unprepared okay so

[2:16:42] Voice 8: which would be just to uh just to clarify

[2:16:45] Voice 8: it would be uh direct staff profiles for non-permitted

[2:16:49] Voice 7: dwellings where there is no evidence

[2:16:52] Voice 7: of disposal of waste online that's where there's no evidence of disposal placed on lands that would

[2:16:59] Voice 7: be the motion i move that the soul spring local trust committee direct staff as well for non-permitted

[2:17:07] Voice 7: dwellings where there are no concerns what sorry where there is no evidence i'm sorry

[2:17:15] Voice 7: that the salt spring island

[2:17:16] Voice 9: the salt spring global trust can direct stat

[2:17:19] Voice 9: okay so

[2:17:27] Voice 8: we'll second it uh discussion but

[2:17:39] Voice 7: what if they have built an environmentally sensitive area

[2:17:46] Voice 7: So that could be a completely different offense.

[2:17:51] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:17:53] Voice 7: All right.

[2:17:53] Voice 7: If they're doing this into a DPA, your motion doesn't cover that.

[2:17:58] Voice 7: Gotcha.

[2:17:59] Voice 7: Gotcha.

[2:17:59] Voice 7: Gotcha.

[2:18:00] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:18:01] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:18:02] Voice 7: All right.

[2:18:03] Voice 7: Anything further on the motion?

[2:18:06] Voice 7: I'm just happy to hear that this would close a big number of files.

[2:18:12] Voice 7: Sounds great.

[2:18:19] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:18:19] Voice 7: i'll call the question then

[2:18:21] Voice 8: all those in favor and that carries uh so as to the second uh

[2:18:29] Voice 8: recommendation i kind of heard a

[2:18:32] Voice 7: strong willingness to see to this point but i'll go to

[2:18:36] Voice 7: yeah i'd

[2:18:38] Voice 10: like to see staff that do a bit more work because i think um yes i i understand our

[2:18:45] Voice 10: bylaws have all that it makes sense to you but people are looking to this

[2:18:51] Voice 7: direction for guidance

[2:18:55] so um not only the septic issue i think you know the health and safety what's that you know the

[2:19:06] septic issue what's that we

[2:19:07] Voice 7: just talked about that a bit and then you know environmental senses there

[2:19:11] Voice 7: what's that and

[2:19:12] Voice 10: and it could

[2:19:13] Voice 7: be cross-referenced back to

[2:19:14] Voice 10: our regulations that's fine but i think

[2:19:18] Voice 10: the people just people are supposed to service themselves it doesn't look environmentally

[2:19:24] Voice 7: sensitive to me um but you know if that's defined in our regulations

[2:19:29] Voice 7: anything from you on the second recommendation i'm i'm just you know in support of maybe

[2:19:40] Voice 7: some more work being done possibly referring to the community

[2:19:52] Voice 7: There is a

[2:19:55] Voice 8: regional planning team has been doing some work on this as manager Damon mentioned

[2:20:02] Voice 8: and that that work program is going to be presented at Trust Council I'm not sure how

[2:20:09] Voice 8: in depth that discussion was going to get because you can never tell

[2:20:13] Voice 7: at Trust Council

[2:20:13] Voice 7: Council, what people want to dig into. But I liked what Forrest was saying about BHA

[2:20:21] Voice 7: engineered systems. So I don't know if it's bringing to some of the work, some others

[2:20:32] Voice 7: that are interested.

[2:20:34] Voice 8: Okay, so there's, I suppose unless there's a readiness today to suggest revisions or

[2:20:44] Voice 8: edits to the proposed policy,

[2:20:47] Voice 7: what would be the wording to ask for revisions?

[2:20:53] Voice 7: Um, so Chair, yes. So if the local trust committee doesn't wish to proceed with this today, my next steps would be to wait to see what the regional planning committee recommends regarding this.

[2:21:08] Is it going to be presented with a template? They will do more work on it. There may be input from press council.

[2:21:13] Council. And so after that work is done, then we can basically go to the next steps, take

[2:21:21] their advisements on what they would like to see the Trust Council policy, or what this

[2:21:25] proposed wide support policy for local trust committees to pass. And then I would present

[2:21:33] another report and document to the local trust committee in the fall after that work's been

[2:21:40] done and then it can be reconsidered.

[2:21:41] is okay and then i suppose uh in the meantime uh trustees could do some outreach and um

[2:21:50] unity and also think about what what

[2:21:53] Voice 7: sort of language what sort of important things that

[2:21:57] Voice 7: lpc would like to see included or made explicit trustee patrick

[2:22:02] Voice 10: yes

[2:22:05] Voice 7: but this issue carries on

[2:22:09] and I think clarity is important sooner than later. You know more people are making these

[2:22:15] choices every day and so

[2:22:18] Voice 7: the numbers are down. I'd say people are getting better at hiding

[2:22:21] Voice 7: because they're being driven that way. This is how they're going to live you know. So

[2:22:30] Voice 7: I

[2:22:31] Voice 10: think this issue deserves clarity because this is our most vulnerable people that are being put

[2:22:37] Voice 10: in these positions and making

[2:22:39] Voice 7: decisions to spend money and do things that they think many think are

[2:22:43] Voice 7: the right thing to do and

[2:22:47] Voice 10: that's that these are already the most vulnerable people so i think any

[2:22:50] Voice 10: direction we can give them to make better choices helps you helps us helps the island um so no one's

[2:23:00] working on this is providing

[2:23:03] Voice 7: clarity on it just better words what we just talked around today

[2:23:07] Voice 7: they help provide some clarity

[2:23:09] Voice 7: that doesn't exist in one spot.

[2:23:13] Voice 7: So through the chair, what I'm hearing,

[2:23:16] so this policy is for all of us.

[2:23:19] It's not specific to housing or non-compliant buildings.

[2:23:23] Voice 7: This enforcement policy is for all of your enforcement.

[2:23:28] Voice 7: I understand, I'm talking about the specific one

[2:23:30] Voice 7: about non-compliant homes. Correct.

[2:23:33] Voice 7: So for next steps, from what I'm hearing,

[2:23:36] Voice 7: you want a section that deals specifically

[2:23:39] specifically with housing or non-compliant loans and that can be put into the document

[2:23:45] to expand it under your priorities. Do you want that expanded section to provide better guidance,

[2:23:54] more specific guidance on your housing

[2:23:56] Voice 7: and service in the portion of a non-compliant loan?

[2:24:05] Voice 7: But if you're not, we need to direct you to do that is my point. No, you don't. I'm going to do

[2:24:12] Voice 7: it anyway i've got this in flow you have a this project going ahead um and like i said my next

[2:24:21] Voice 7: steps are what are the regional planning committees what they're going to recommend

[2:24:24] Voice 7: what trust council gives direction on um for all the local trust committees i'm going to present

[2:24:31] Voice 7: this document and you know for example a tuesday headman adopted their version without a single

[2:24:40] Voice 7: headed they've adopted it it's in place they've established their policies on how they want to

[2:24:45] Voice 7: see enforcement take place how they want to see that station's complaints dealt with it's in place

[2:24:51] Voice 7: now it's going to be presented to all of the local trust committees and some are going to go this way

[2:24:57] Voice 7: as you have concerns and so i'm going to do more work to bring back answer your questions bring

[2:25:03] Voice 7: back more specific information more definitions so that it's clear for the trust committee

[2:25:13] Voice 7: Okay, thank you for that, um, ready

[2:25:25] Voice 8: to move on, or I guess so, yeah, all right, um, so

[2:25:31] Voice 8: we did add a new item at 15.2, uh, regarding our meeting with the security and

[2:25:37] Voice 7: agenda items,

[2:25:41] Voice 8: so um, certainly we know that, and I think all of us agreed when we met with the, uh,

[2:26:02] Voice 7: I know over

[2:26:11] Voice 10: time that Chris took notes because we mentioned it through our conversation.

[2:26:17] Voice 7: Sure.

[2:26:17] Voice 7: sure sure and unfortunately we don't have him today to uh

[2:26:21] Voice 7: short-term uh rentals and cooperating on that was one as well as um our ocp

[2:26:31] Voice 7: our projects so i guess that's generally a big

[2:26:35] Voice 7: piece of the conversation community planning

[2:26:45] Voice 7: So, yeah, I think those are those are the big ones. I wonder if there's any, anything that would be more likely to have got left off the list that we could think of today, like meetings, potentially, there was, I think there's a number of topics, and I just

[2:27:11] Voice 10: can't

[2:27:16] Voice 10: idea for the agenda sure

[2:27:18] Voice 7: sure and and this is this is uh this is our meeting

[2:27:25] Voice 7: um we certainly

[2:27:27] Voice 7: will be uh in contact with crd in terms of things they might want to uh add to it but um

[2:27:38] Voice 7: together mr pingel will you be uh assembling the agenda with direction of

[2:27:45] Voice 7: yeah okay yeah it's unfortunate mr huck is not available today but that's hopefully he feels

[2:27:52] Voice 7: better soon uh yes do you know who's been invited to me it

[2:27:58] Voice 7: can't be just the lcc because the

[2:28:00] Voice 7: salt spring local trust area also includes some of the island corollary so it should be paul

[2:28:08] Voice 7: brent as well uh

[2:28:18] Voice 8: yeah brent's on the list of attendees henderson stark brooke

[2:28:25] Voice 7: baker corno

[2:28:27] Voice 7: lepster camel ovington alas who's on that list right now so we have uh both electoral area

[2:28:40] directors uh the lcc as our crb elected officials

[2:28:47] Voice 7: attending or invited and assumed to be attended

[2:28:51] Voice 7: uh steve stephen henderson justine stark carl campbell and dan ovington that's the cru staff

[2:28:58] Voice 7: watershed what we're drinking water watershed on the list

[2:29:29] Voice 7: uh it's the 17th it's the day before trust council we're going to meet here at 3 p.m

[2:29:36] Voice 7: let me see the draft agenda as well yeah

[2:29:51] Voice 8: if you can do your usual and send us out

[2:29:54] Voice 8: that seems to have a bit ahead and then uh

[2:30:00] Voice 8: Yeah, if there's anything that pops up now and then, just make a note for yourself, and

[2:30:05] Voice 8: once you

[2:30:07] Voice 7: make that, we can all have a look.

[2:30:13] Voice 2: Okay,

[2:30:14] Voice 7: are we ready to move along then?

[2:30:21] Voice 8: Okay, well, we're moving along pretty quickly here.

[2:30:26] Voice 8: So we have the policy and standing resolutions list at page 64.

[2:30:31] Voice 8: Any from staff or trustees on that today?

[2:30:34] Voice 8: And

[2:30:40] Voice 7: then we have our future projects report at page 73, anything on that report?

[2:30:48] Voice 7: The

[2:30:56] Voice 8: active projects list is on page 76, in there today.

[2:31:03] Voice 8: We don't have an applications report, we don't have an expense report, and we don't have

[2:31:16] Voice 8: a Conservancy Board report.

[2:31:19] Voice 8: So we do have a closed meeting coming up here.

[2:31:27] We'll have to take a few minutes anyway, but I just want to check in with staff.

[2:31:33] Voice 8: Not that long ago, but do you need to eat some lunch? Just power through.

[2:31:40] Voice 8: Let's go ahead and have a short break. Let's have a short break.

[2:31:46] Let's go. Let's come back at 12

[2:31:53] Voice 8: .25 then.

[2:31:56] Voice 8: Can we make the motion to go in camera?

[2:31:59] Voice 8: Sure, we'll make the motion to go in camera. Let's do that.

[2:32:01] Voice 8: I

[2:32:02] Voice 7: move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee close this meeting to the public, subject to Community Charter Section 91.

[2:32:09] Voice 10: A part of the Council meeting may be closed to the public if the subject matter being considered relates to one or more of the following.

[2:32:18] Voice 7: F. Law enforcement, if the Council considers disclosure could recently be impacted with harm, the conduct of an investigation, the enforcement of an inactivity, and that staff be invited to remain.

[2:32:31] Voice 7: So moved. Seconder? I'll second. Discussion? All those in favor?

[2:32:43] Voice 8: Motion carries. So we're moving to close. We'll take, yeah, is that good? We'll come back at 12, we'll reconvene at 12.25.

[2:32:51] Voice 8: but that gives us a moment to lock down.

[2:32:52] Voice 8: I'm going to adjourn the meeting.

[2:32:55] Voice 8: The next meeting is right here on July 11th.

[2:33:07] Voice 8: We'll see you then.