Islands Trust Council regular meeting, July 15, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 7: Good morning, everybody, members of the public, and colleagues on the Muskegee Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:06] Voice 7: Thank you for joining us today for the regular business meeting, July 15th, on the Muskegee Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:15] Voice 7: I'd like to begin by acknowledging, as always, that we are grateful to be living and working on the unceded,

[0:00:20] Voice 7: ancestral territory of many Coast Salish peoples, and in particular here on Muskegee Island,

[0:00:27] Voice 7: We're in the territory of the St. Ospers Nation, and in the treaty territory of the Ahmaud

[0:00:32] Voice 7: Nation.

[0:00:35] Voice 7: And I'm Toki Elliott, I'm elected on Gabriela Island, and I'm the chair of the Lillis-Puig

[0:00:41] Voice 7: Island Local Trust Committee, joined by our co-chair, local trustee, Tim Peterson.

[0:00:47] Voice 7: Morning.

[0:00:48] Voice 7: We've just kind of rushed in off the ferry, and a little bit late setting up, so apologies.

[0:00:54] Voice 7: And online, we're joined by Trustee Moroni.

[0:00:57] Voice 7: Hello. Can you hear us? Trustee Laroni? No. You can't hear us. We can't hear you. Your mouth is moving.

[0:01:11] Voice 5: There we go. Okay, sorry. I'm just having trouble with my, you're not coming into my headphones for some reason.

[0:01:15] Voice 7: Okay. Did you want to introduce yourself and just say where you are calling in from today?

[0:01:22] Voice 7: Hi,

[0:01:24] Voice 5: I am trustee Laroni and I'm coming in from Vancouver yeah it's Musqueam and

[0:01:37] Voice 5: Sawatuth. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right.

[0:01:41] Voice 7: So together we make up the Luskegee Island Local Trust Committee. Also joining us today is

[0:01:48] Voice 7: in person and online in the background we've got Lisa Millard our minute taker and meeting facilitator

[0:01:59] Voice 7: and RPM Rene Jeanette. And so yeah this meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who

[0:02:11] Voice 7: are unable to attend in person today the recording will be available on the Honour Trust website in

[0:02:17] Voice 7: next few days this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:02:22] Voice 7: about land use matter and planning matters and discuss relevant business i also want to say

[0:02:28] Voice 7: that this is a place of employment despite the fact that some staff are in their homes

[0:02:33] Voice 7: the staff have the right to save a respectful workplace to move to approval of the agenda

[0:02:43] Voice 7: And is there any additions or amendments for the agenda today that are presented?

[0:02:54] Voice 7: Approval of the agenda. Is there any additions or amendments to the agenda?

[0:02:59] Voice 7: Hearing none, so we will adopt the agenda as presented, or approve the agenda rather, and move into our reports.

[0:03:07] Voice 7: um trustee reports coming first who is ready to go let's do the roni do you have a report for us

[0:03:19] Voice 7: today i

[0:03:21] Voice 5: do um i'm just still gathering just the last bit here is tim you mind going first

[0:03:28] Voice 5: i

[0:03:30] Voice 7: can give a cherry report first if y'all want some time um so since we last met uh there has

[0:03:39] Voice 7: has been a trust council meeting on Salt Spring Island

[0:03:44] Voice 7: on the 18th, 19th, and 20th.

[0:03:46] Voice 7: We also celebrated the 50th anniversary

[0:03:49] Voice 7: of the Islands Trust, which was, as we all know,

[0:03:53] Voice 7: founded in June, 1974.

[0:03:57] Voice 7: We also saw our outgoing CAO, Russ Hotzenfeller, retire

[0:04:02] Voice 7: and celebrated his eight years serving the trust

[0:04:07] Voice 7: as the Chief Administrative Officer, and welcomed our interim CAO, Julia Bobbs, who's the Director

[0:04:17] Voice 7: of Administrative Services, and has stepped up into that role while an executive search

[0:04:25] Voice 7: firm is scoping and gathering applications for that significant role.

[0:04:32] Voice 7: all and i'm not sure there is much regional um work to report so i'll just defer to local trustees

[0:04:53] Voice 8: um thank you so the chair uh mentioned the uh trust council on salt spring be the 50th

[0:05:00] Voice 8: anniversary um welcome to past island trust council chairs and portland salt spring trustees

[0:05:06] Voice 8: for an important evening event. MLA Adam Olson,

[0:05:10] Voice 8: Lieutenant Council on Police and Governance.

[0:05:13] Voice 8: The goal of the Future of the Islands Trust is really well received by trustees.

[0:05:19] Voice 8: Fortunately, unfortunately for the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:05:21] Voice 8: he's announced

[0:05:22] Voice 7: he's not going to run next election.

[0:05:24] Voice 7: And I know that he's a strong advocate in that area.

[0:05:30] Voice 7: Ryan Gremmel of Transport Canada spoke about the wrecked abandoned

[0:05:35] it has been a specials act uh illuminating but also a little depressing um but i think it was

[0:05:43] good for trustees to kind of get a sense of where that's at

[0:05:46] Voice 7: and where things are going uh i met with

[0:05:50] Voice 7: a uh mpa was made greetings i'll ask wednesday talking about marine issues including the

[0:05:59] Voice 7: the discussions about regulations for private board employees. It's a complex jurisdictional

[0:06:07] Voice 7: environment. There is local government, regional districts, the province and the federal government

[0:06:14] Voice 7: all have overlapping jurisdictions when it comes to private board employees. So any kind

[0:06:19] Voice 7: of regulatory action by the Islands Trust on its own doesn't make a lot of sense. We

[0:06:27] Voice 7: really need to work with the other levels of government have any kind of coherent scheme um

[0:06:36] Voice 7: uh trust council get direct staff to uh look at options for making a great expansion planning

[0:06:43] Voice 8: part of the strategic planning process um kind of a our first uh or a second i guess committee

[0:06:51] the whole meeting which was chaired by vice chairman um all the game canada council looking

[0:06:59] looking at the draft, doing policy statements.

[0:07:03] Voice 7: And I think

[0:07:07] Voice 9: that's it for me.

[0:07:08] Voice 9: Good to go?

[0:07:15] Voice 5: All right.

[0:07:16] Voice 5: Yes, I am good to go.

[0:07:17] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:07:19] Voice 5: So I've attended the last couple APC meetings just as a trustee.

[0:07:26] Voice 5: And the last one, the members were discussing

[0:07:30] Voice 5: and defining the environmental and social impact

[0:07:33] Voice 5: of private docks on the island.

[0:07:35] Voice 5: And I was very dismayed to hear that one of the members

[0:07:37] Voice 5: had been threatened with a lack of services if they were not to support the dock and i find that

[0:07:43] Voice 5: really reprehensible and i'm disappointed in the that the community thinks that it's okay to bully

[0:07:52] Voice 5: awesome volunteers who put themselves out like that um and moving on um i really enjoyed the

[0:07:59] Voice 5: saw the trust council on salt spring island it was super interesting because they also started

[0:08:04] Voice 5: out i believe with a 10 acre minimum and it's kind of fascinating to see how they've developed

[0:08:09] Voice 5: and yeah we had it was great to have a lot of the community members show up and participate and also

[0:08:14] Voice 5: protest some of the things they thought were wrong it was great to see so much community

[0:08:17] Voice 5: involvement in the trust which is something i would love to see a little more on the skidi

[0:08:24] Voice 5: um yes and the next apc is coming up on the 18th which is thursday at 4 p.m at the jfc

[0:08:33] Voice 5: and that's all for me so

[0:08:37] Voice 8: i'll just add um at trust trust council uh appointed uh trustee

[0:08:43] Voice 8: laroni to the transport canada general vessels technical working group so congratulations on

[0:08:49] Voice 8: that i'm glad to see uh trustee on that working group and then in regards to the apc meeting um

[0:09:00] Voice 8: And I think we need to just address the issue of how the agency works.

[0:09:07] Apparently,

[0:09:08] Voice 8: some people came.

[0:09:09] Voice 8: I wasn't at the meeting, but I've heard that people came to the meeting with the impression

[0:09:12] Voice 8: that they could give input to the agency.

[0:09:16] Voice 8: That's not how the agency works.

[0:09:19] Voice 8: They don't have a public town hall session.

[0:09:23] Voice 8: The public is welcome to come and listen to their deliberations.

[0:09:26] Voice 8: but they're actually it's not an interactive process so I'm going to make sure that we get

[0:09:33] Voice 8: some clear messaging out to the public that the reality around the APC is much different than the

[0:09:38] Voice 8: local trust committee and I just want to make sure that everyone understands has you know clear

[0:09:44] Voice 8: expectations about what

[0:09:45] Voice 7: coming to an APC meeting is it's to listen so I just

[0:09:50] Voice 8: wanted to point that

[0:09:52] Voice 8: out there was maybe it's just because we haven't had an apc um doing active work in a while that

[0:09:59] Voice 8: people sort of forgot that that's how things work but we will

[0:10:02] Voice 7: get some clear messaging out

[0:10:03] Voice 7: the community so that's uh better understood thank you for that trustee peterson um yes so

[0:10:14] Voice 7: it sounds like a little bit of education is in order um and i understand further

[0:10:19] Voice 7: on this agenda we'll be hearing from the chair of the agency if they're still

[0:10:25] Voice 7: able to present I'm just checking in with our minute taker we're supposed to

[0:10:32] Voice 7: have a delegate or yeah presentation by City West but they're not scheduled to

[0:10:39] Voice 7: 1155 okay so just keep an eye on them yeah electoral area directors report

[0:10:46] Voice 7: report. Director Kuo is not with us and conveyed his regrets. And so we'll open with Town Hall.

[0:10:55] Voice 7: And so as we know, this is again your official forum of your elected trustees to make decisions

[0:11:04] Voice 7: about land use planning. We ask that you speak to items on the agenda and issues relevant to

[0:11:12] Voice 7: local trust committee if you have something of interest or your question about the region

[0:11:19] Voice 7: that's appropriate as well that would be first addressing local trust committee matters

[0:11:24] Voice 7: we ask that you direct comments to the ltc and not to the audience or to staff speak to the

[0:11:30] Voice 7: issue at hand and not to other individuals be clear concise and respectful um in addition we

[0:11:38] Voice 7: We do have a note about recordings of meetings, so I'll just read this out, because it's been something we're wanting to address in all of our LTCs equitably.

[0:11:50] Voice 7: There is no reason to deny a member of the public or the press from personally recording a Local Trust Committee meeting,

[0:11:57] Voice 7: but we do ask that you focus on the Local Trust Committee to keep the environment comfortable for all present.

[0:12:05] Voice 7: So I will note, I did note that the local trust committee is streaming and recording the meeting.

[0:12:11] Voice 7: And if anyone has told me that they're intending to record the meeting, I would say that as well.

[0:12:17] Voice 7: So I would just ask those present, is anybody intending to record this meeting? Just let us know.

[0:12:23] Voice 7: I

[0:12:28] Voice 6: will not comply with that.

[0:12:30] Voice 7: So not comply with letting...

[0:12:33] Voice 6: With this illegal requirement that I tell you if I'm recording or not recording.

[0:12:38] Voice 6: Okay,

[0:12:38] Voice 7: so I'm going to take it as an assumption that you are reporting the meeting and we'll

[0:12:44] Voice 7: let the other members of the public know so that we can ask

[0:12:47] Voice 7: anybody reporting to turn

[0:12:50] Voice 7: it off if you're uncomfortable.

[0:12:51] Voice 7: I

[0:12:51] Voice 6: will not comply if you ask me.

[0:12:53] Voice 7: So if

[0:12:54] Voice 6: anybody is uncomfortable

[0:12:55] Voice 7: with being reported by a member of the public, we will

[0:12:59] Voice 7: ask the person to halt the recording or remind them to focus the video on the local trust

[0:13:04] Voice 7: committee only so we won't halt local trust committees before we have a meeting so with that

[0:13:10] Voice 7: um would anybody like to address the local trust committee one two and three there are three members

[0:13:17] Voice 7: of the public present just for staff alert and we'll ask you to speak in the microphone thanks

[0:13:37] Voice 6: uh this requirement that the uh member of the public asked permission or inform the chair

[0:13:43] Voice 6: if they're going to be forward has gone through several iterations and now they're a little bit

[0:13:53] Voice 6: more acceptable but still an illegal imposition on the public uh at the last meeting you said

[0:14:00] Voice 6: the criminal code of canada does not override any bylaw or meeting procedure established for the

[0:14:05] Voice 6: safe and orderly operation of a meeting uh i don't see how anybody sitting quietly in my case with a

[0:14:17] Voice 6: little miniature recorder and i pop it how is that interfering with the safe and orderly operation of

[0:14:26] Voice 6: the meeting would

[0:14:28] Voice 7: you like an answer yes

[0:14:29] Voice 6: i would our

[0:14:36] Voice 7: job is to conduct business in an equitable

[0:14:39] Voice 7: in a equitable and fair manner so that all have the same access to the local government

[0:14:43] Voice 7: representatives.

[0:14:45] Voice 7: And so if somebody is feeling unsafe, whether they're uncertain as to what a personal reporting

[0:14:51] Voice 7: is going to be used for, they have a right to voice that and say that they choose not

[0:14:56] Voice 7: to be reported.

[0:14:57] Voice 7: And that's the only reason we would ever say don't report because of course as you know

[0:15:02] Voice 7: all these meetings are recorded.

[0:15:03] Voice 7: So it would only interrupt a meeting if somebody felt unsafe and could not address the local

[0:15:09] Voice 7: trust committee just as everybody else does and that the recording was prohibiting that

[0:15:14] Voice 7: you're

[0:15:15] Voice 6: recording the meeting exactly

[0:15:16] Voice 7: so

[0:15:18] Voice 6: what's the difference the

[0:15:20] Voice 7: difference is the focus and

[0:15:21] Voice 7: the use and so we ask that anybody who's recording personally would direct it to the local trust

[0:15:28] Voice 7: committee another member of the public may not wish to have their face or video recorded

[0:15:33] Voice 7: and so they have a right to that so

[0:15:36] Voice 6: they don't the law is absolutely clear do

[0:15:41] Voice 7: you have anything

[0:15:41] Voice 7: else you'd like to um i

[0:15:43] Voice 6: will not comply okay

[0:15:45] Voice 7: just like

[0:15:47] Voice 6: last week last meeting when you threw me out

[0:15:49] Voice 6: for saying that what

[0:15:50] Voice 7: has changed what has

[0:15:53] Voice 6: changed okay

[0:15:54] Voice 7: you won't

[0:15:56] Voice 6: answer or you can't quite a come

[0:16:04] Voice 6: down.

[0:16:07] Voice 7: I'm Marnie Wendt. I had a chance to look at the second reading that was printed in the last meeting, and I have several comments, but there's a couple things that come up this morning. One is that in the past, the APC has

[0:16:30] Voice 7: has permitted public input, and I think that's part of the problem that people think that's still permitted, and I've witnessed APC meetings with the public.

[0:16:42] Voice 7: The other thing is I thought the OCP patient statement was going to be in, oh, we'll hear from Jim about it later, good.

[0:16:56] Voice 7: um and um so when i looked over the second reading proposal uh there were three things i wanted to

[0:17:06] Voice 7: comment on um and the first one is other natural resources four to one um

[0:17:23] Voice 7: to preserve and support balance control of the fun home formerly the rest of the chief which are a

[0:17:30] Voice 7: valuable part of the community and its history and having attended all the forums this was the

[0:17:40] Voice 7: one item where people jumped out of the chairs and started yelling at each other

[0:17:50] Voice 7: And so that brings me to the, this is part of our history, but it is only going and I

[0:18:01] Voice 7: think that it's a mistake to include the value because it makes something very unhappy.

[0:18:13] Voice 7: And then my other two are really trivial things that they came up to me.

[0:18:23] Voice 7: One of them is 511A, which is on page 30.

[0:18:31] Voice 7: It's about subdivision, and it had been called fresh water, and that was crossed out and

[0:18:38] Voice 7: in place of potable water and a new development policy does not provide potable water it doesn't

[0:18:46] Voice 7: have a way to provide water so i'm not sure why that has changed fresh water it's

[0:18:53] Voice 7: the only reliable thing nobody can provide potable water and the third thing is

[0:19:05] Voice 7: is under commercial and industrial page 31.

[0:19:11] Voice 7: Sorry, which policy?

[0:19:15] Voice 7: It's in the introduction to commercial and industrial.

[0:19:19] Voice 7: It's page 31, 515II.

[0:19:28] Voice 7: It refers to off-street parking.

[0:19:33] Voice 7: The Canadian Box Road Dictionary says that street is an urban term, and this OCP repeatedly

[0:19:44] Voice 7: refers to the city as rural, and you can't have rural off-street products.

[0:19:52] Voice 7: So, and I said, this has come up before, and I said it's because off-road has a particular

[0:20:02] Voice 7: are different meaning maybe and then on the next page i'll be sure to

[0:20:10] Voice 7: lawsuit is with you but yeah it just doesn't

[0:20:16] Voice 1: make any sense

[0:20:16] Voice 7: to have a lawsuit

[0:20:17] Voice 7: i have two things uh one i plan to talk about another one that's just about

[0:20:36] Voice 7: The first one is the bylaw that the city had to meet when it comes to having docks and

[0:20:44] Voice 7: floats.

[0:20:46] Voice 7: I went through the OCP and I did not see anything in there that I really felt was relevant to

[0:20:53] Voice 7: trying to get that change in the bylaws, other than putting some brand new piece of work

[0:21:00] Voice 7: into the OCP, which I didn't feel was necessary.

[0:21:03] Voice 7: I just want to put on notice that there will be people trying to get it back by lodging

[0:21:09] Voice 7: when the bylaw reviews come out because it's really quite a silly bylaw that happened there.

[0:21:16] Voice 7: The second thing-

[0:21:18] Voice 1: Sorry,

[0:21:18] Voice 7: can you clarify?

[0:21:19] Voice 7: I'm just not sure if you're pointed, but there's nothing relevant in the OCP about docks and

[0:21:25] Voice 7: clubs?

[0:21:25] Voice 7: In the bylaws, there's a bylaw that specifically says that yacht clubs may not

[0:21:39] Voice 7: The other thing I want to bring up is something from Ms. Laroni's report.

[0:21:46] Voice 7: Since the APC meeting was a public meeting, and this is a public meeting, I would be very

[0:21:53] curious if she would tell us who was threatening

[0:21:56] Voice 7: about the docks, because I think that's a

[0:21:58] Voice 7: very relevant thing to know.

[0:22:01] Voice 7: and i think not it's leading to assumptions that it could be people who is not

[0:22:08] Voice 7: making the threat so i would ask if you would do that okay um don't think it would be a good

[0:22:18] Voice 7: practice for the ltc to name members of the public if there's that we're not in a position

[0:22:23] Voice 7: of a judge and judicator and this is kind of hearsay but miss laroni made the accusation

[0:22:32] Voice 7: that someone was threatened i made the

[0:22:34] Voice 7: judgment i think she needs to clarify what that was

[0:22:37] Voice 7: she made it in a public meeting here how would you characterize the um was it at the acc or was

[0:22:55] Voice 7: outside of you i don't know if he said it was at the meeting it's

[0:23:02] Voice 5: in the recording of the meeting

[0:23:04] Voice 5: it's the member spoke at the meeting i'm just repeating what the member said i'm sorry i couldn't

[0:23:10] Voice 7: make that up i

[0:23:13] Voice 5: am just repeating what the member of the apc said in the apc meeting it's on public

[0:23:21] Voice 5: record it was there

[0:23:22] Voice 5: nothing happened in private and um i would prefer if you would refer to me

[0:23:26] Voice 5: as trustee not miss thank you okay sorry um

[0:23:30] Voice 7: so justin laroney is clarifying that

[0:23:34] Voice 7: member of the apc said that community members were being threatened so they're

[0:23:40] Voice 7: i think they said that they were being threatened

[0:23:42] Voice 7: i

[0:23:43] Voice 8: don't think they specified by them yeah and it wasn't at the meeting that

[0:23:50] Voice 7: it was at the meeting

[0:23:51] Voice 7: well

[0:23:51] Voice 8: the apc member said that at the meeting but did not it did not the threatening did not happen

[0:23:58] Voice 8: within the public barrier that's

[0:23:59] Voice 7: fine that's a good clarification thank you okay

[0:24:03] Voice 4: then i've got

[0:24:05] Voice 7: got something on the share

[0:24:07] Voice 4: so

[0:24:10] Voice 8: uh with regards to the vision statement piece um as you know the lca

[0:24:18] general meeting referred it to the board of the lca which i am on however i recused myself from

[0:24:26] that part of the meeting but um the board did say

[0:24:32] Voice 8: when i came back that they had decided that

[0:24:35] Voice 8: they wanted to refer it back to the drafters um they felt it was too long and so if they haven't

[0:24:43] Voice 8: got back to you on that i apologize but i'll make sure that they they get on that because that's

[0:24:49] Voice 8: that's i think important information that the board should have directly i'm not sure whose

[0:24:56] Voice 8: to-do list that was on i know it wasn't on mine um but so that's what i know about where that's at

[0:25:03] Voice 8: and we do have that in the um in

[0:25:07] Voice 7: the uh we have a business case on the agenda for

[0:25:10] Voice 7: next fiscal and that is the official statements

[0:25:17] Voice 7: yeah talk to the president i know

[0:25:20] Voice 7: we talked to you thank you

[0:25:23] Voice 7: i would like

[0:25:37] Voice 6: to support martin's comment about fresh water and potable water she's

[0:25:42] Voice 6: absolutely correct it's impossible to get potable water even in a drilled well on the skew the iron

[0:25:49] Voice 6: and fresh water is something that can be mitigated against if it's not possible

[0:25:55] Voice 6: so i think that that should be changed in fresh water and potable water also the

[0:26:03] Voice 6: minutes of the last meeting uh talked about a member of the public that was resisting saying

[0:26:11] Voice 6: saying whether or not he was recording the meeting, and he was asked to leave the meeting,

[0:26:16] Voice 6: he was excluded from the meeting. That was not included in the minutes. I think that

[0:26:21] Voice 6: was an important occurrence in the meeting, when a member of the public was excluded,

[0:26:27] Voice 6: and it should be included in the minutes.

[0:26:38] Voice 7: So for the minute taker, we have a suggestion that a member of the public left the meeting

[0:26:46] Voice 7: as a result of that.

[0:26:47] Voice 7: we

[0:26:48] Voice 6: would ask to leave the meeting yes

[0:26:51] Voice 7: so we'll get through the minute there um any further

[0:26:54] Voice 7: comments right so thank you for your contributions to town hall everybody and we will come to the

[0:27:04] Voice 7: minutes of uh local trust committee meeting minutes dated may 6 2024 any changes amendments

[0:27:13] Voice 7: minutes or suggestions let's see so on five

[0:27:30] Voice 8: of the agenda page three of the minutes um just uh

[0:27:42] Voice 7: a member of the public and maybe you guys can help me out with something like the member of the

[0:28:13] public uh stated that they would not comply and

[0:28:18] Voice 7: was asked to leave the meeting with the member

[0:28:20] Voice 7: of the public that left the meeting seems succinct to reasonable laugh i'll check in with them

[0:28:27] Voice 7: please don't see if you got that bent actually i did not yes

[0:28:36] Voice 6: you did i

[0:28:39] Voice 7: believe the question was

[0:28:40] Voice 7: asked by you mr weiner do you mean to say that if i'm not going to tell you if i'm recording i have

[0:28:47] Voice 7: to leave the meeting and i said yes and then you left the meeting i

[0:28:51] Voice 8: have a suggestion i

[0:28:52] Voice 7: have a

[0:28:54] Voice 8: suggestion which is that since we have a recording of the meeting we can review the recording and

[0:28:59] Voice 8: And then we can make that accurate.

[0:29:02] Voice 8: That's not based on today's current event.

[0:29:05] Voice 8: I'll go back to recording.

[0:29:06] Voice 8: So I'm going to suggest that the,

[0:29:12] I'll go, I'll volunteer to go in that section

[0:29:16] and just for

[0:29:17] Voice 7: accuracy's sake,

[0:29:19] Voice 7: I thought that that was the case,

[0:29:21] Voice 7: but I don't think we need to go

[0:29:26] Voice 7: spend a lot of time on it today.

[0:29:28] Voice 7: I think that's the

[0:29:28] Voice 6: beauty of recording.

[0:29:30] Voice 6: the simplest

[0:29:30] Voice 7: thing is just i'll review the report and address that later if that's all right and i

[0:29:41] Voice 7: would just say that well because the order is important it wouldn't go after that first sentence

[0:29:48] Voice 7: because a member of the public made the following comments further down the meeting was recessed

[0:30:00] Voice 7: So it's actually in there. I informed the member of the public that if he did not want to abide by this direction, then he was being asked to leave the meeting.

[0:30:07] Voice 7: And then we would just add the member of the public left the meeting. It's all there.

[0:30:12] Voice 7: Do you see it?

[0:30:14] Voice 7: Oh, yeah, it's way further down.

[0:30:15] Voice 7: So

[0:30:16] Voice 6: you did ask the member of the public to leave.

[0:30:18] Voice 6: All

[0:30:19] Voice 7: right, well, let's...

[0:30:21] Voice 7: So just that the minute taker be requested to add the member of the public left the meeting.

[0:30:28] Voice 6: But to ask to

[0:30:29] Voice 6: leave the meeting.

[0:30:30] Voice 7: it's already in there you're

[0:30:35] Voice 6: welcome it's always fun to interact with you

[0:30:38] Voice 6: is

[0:30:39] Voice 7: there anything else any other changes

[0:30:41] Voice 7: hey we will adopt the meeting minutes of may the 6th as amended the advisory planning commission

[0:30:57] Voice 7: draft minutes from may the first are not yet adopted uh or they may have been adopted at

[0:31:03] Voice 7: last agency meeting they were not they're here for information and so we come to our follow-up

[0:31:10] Voice 7: action list of pages 13 any questions or items for discussion the

[0:31:33] Voice 6: last your last item on the

[0:31:35] Voice 6: follow-up action list uh prepared business case on its note is not completed but it is on your

[0:31:42] Voice 6: everything in those today. So

[0:31:43] Voice 7: that's

[0:31:45] Voice 6: corruption.

[0:31:46] Voice 7: Great. Yeah, we're seeing it in our

[0:31:48] Voice 7: agenda today. Awesome. Thank you for that

[0:31:50] Voice 7: work. That includes the updated community

[0:31:58] Voice 7: vision statement. Trustee Leroni, any

[0:32:07] Voice 7: questions on the follow up action list?

[0:32:10] Voice 7: If not, we will move slowly because we're

[0:32:14] Voice 7: so I see that the City West have entered

[0:32:17] Voice 5: meeting. All

[0:32:18] Voice 7: good. Thank you. Okay. And so

[0:32:21] Voice 7: now we come to our local trust committee

[0:32:23] Voice 7: many projects. There is to be a potentially a verbal update from

[0:32:28] Voice 7: the APC chair.

[0:32:36] Voice 7: Absolutely. Shelly, I don't see her on the Zoom.

[0:32:40] Voice 6: Yeah, she was. I'll send her an email now just to say that we're

[0:32:46] Voice 6: at that item now. I think she might be

[0:32:52] Voice 7: just going for the one

[0:32:56] Voice 7: So we'll hold the space and come back to the update from the APC chair if they join the

[0:33:03] Voice 7: meeting.

[0:33:05] Voice 7: And I would ask if our delegates from City West, the Connected Coast proposal, if you

[0:33:12] Voice 7: might be a little bit, if you might be ready early to present, or we could skip past you

[0:33:20] Voice 7: and go to the chair.

[0:33:28] Voice 3: Hi there.

[0:33:29] Voice 3: This is Cheryl Katnick here.

[0:33:31] Voice 7: Hello

[0:33:31] Voice 3: Cheryl I think we have no problem joining and presenting early if that helps okay

[0:33:37] Voice 7: that would

[0:33:39] Voice 7: be

[0:33:39] Voice 3: helpful is everybody

[0:33:39] Voice 7: agreeable to that all right so I'll just introduce you and your colleagues

[0:33:47] Voice 7: and so from City West and the Ministry of Citizen Services the connectivity division

[0:33:52] Voice 7: this is a presentation regarding the connected coast proposal we have Cheryl Katnick, Christina

[0:34:00] Voice 7: Christina Owen and Megan Chadwick presenting today.

[0:34:05] Voice 7: So thank you and I'll let you take it away.

[0:34:08] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:34:09] Voice 3: Christina has a presentation that we've prepared for you.

[0:34:13] Voice 3: So while she's getting that together,

[0:34:16] Voice 3: I will introduce myself.

[0:34:17] Voice 3: My name is Cheryl Katnick.

[0:34:19] Voice 3: I'm the Permitting and Engagement Lead

[0:34:20] Voice 3: for the Connected Coast Program.

[0:34:22] Voice 3: I'm joining you from the unceded traditional territory

[0:34:26] Voice 3: of the Kwikwetlem First Nation.

[0:34:29] Voice 3: So if Christina, are you able to share? Perfect, thank

[0:34:33] Voice 3: you. Perfect, thank you.

[0:34:43] Voice 3: So I understand that this has been provided to everybody as a PDF.

[0:34:47] Voice 3: So in respect to everybody's time, I will go through this fairly quickly to allow us some time for questions at the end.

[0:34:55] Voice 3: So the Connected Coast Project is a federally and provincially funded program that is designed to bring connectivity to remote coastal and Indigenous communities.

[0:35:09] Voice 3: The funding is shared between the federal department, ISED, which is Industry of Science and Economic Development, Indigenous Services Canada, as well as the province of BC.

[0:35:23] Voice 3: Thank you, Christina.

[0:35:24] Voice 3: The program in its entirety will include approximately 3400 kilometers of cable. We've got a significant portion already installed, starting in Prince Rupert, going to two communities north, as well as over to Haida Gwaii, and we have cable all the way down through to the north of Vancouver Island, through the Broughton Archipelagos, and into the northern part of the Sunshine Coast.

[0:35:52] Voice 3: coast. Throughout this program, we have connections with the Coast Guard. We've been installing

[0:36:00] Voice 3: various lighthouses and we're also installing seismometers for an early earthquake warning

[0:36:05] Voice 3: system in partnership with NRCan. Through this program, our permitting program is a significant

[0:36:13] Voice 3: effort. It's taken a number of years. We have many levels of government and community consultations,

[0:36:20] Voice 3: stakeholder consultations, as well as First Nations consultation. We've got multi-levels

[0:36:27] Voice 3: of permits that we've needed to apply for and achieved from both provincial, federal, and local

[0:36:34] Voice 3: authorities. Next slide, please. Our engagement process has been significant for the purpose of

[0:36:48] Voice 3: of understanding seabed users

[0:36:50] Voice 3: as well as local communities needs and desires.

[0:36:54] Voice 3: So we do try to take into account as much as we can advice

[0:36:58] Voice 3: from not just agencies, but for example,

[0:37:02] Voice 3: Council of BC Yacht Clubs has been invaluable

[0:37:04] Voice 3: in providing some discussion around landings.

[0:37:07] Voice 3: The Pacific Pilotage Authority,

[0:37:09] Voice 3: they've provided us some valuable advice as well.

[0:37:13] Voice 3: And those inputs all get taken into account

[0:37:17] Voice 3: out regarding our routing. And sometimes we are a little bit limited on our landing

[0:37:23] Voice 3: in some locations because we are serving specific communities. So we need to try to find a landing

[0:37:30] Voice 3: that is the least impactful but the most suitable. Sometimes we have little choice. Sometimes we have

[0:37:35] Voice 3: some flexibility and we can move our landings around. Next slide. So this is a photo and example

[0:37:45] Voice 3: of the cable it's about the size of a pen so it's quite small it's installed from the back of

[0:37:51] Voice 3: various boats that we've used this is an example one it's the um western princess i think was the

[0:37:57] Voice 3: one that installed here going under the lions cape bridge but no matter what vessel we use

[0:38:02] Voice 3: it's the cable reel is on the back of the boat and it's paid off of the back of the boat where

[0:38:07] Voice 3: it settles down onto the seabed and depending on the nature of the seabed it does inevitably end

[0:38:13] Voice 3: up self-burying. It's got a very high tensile strength, but as you can see it's not an armoured

[0:38:21] Voice 3: cable. So we are making efforts to make sure the locations of the cable are on CHS charts. We've

[0:38:29] Voice 3: got posters we put up in all the communities, laminated posters with information. We give our

[0:38:36] Voice 3: ASLE files out to the public at any request to make sure that we're making it very publicly

[0:38:42] Voice 3: available where we're installing next slide please so our assurance uh they vary depending

[0:38:51] Voice 3: obviously on the environment environment our coast is very diverse so we've got some landings that

[0:38:56] Voice 3: are at coast guard sites and of course those are very rocky um very exposed areas we've got some

[0:39:03] Voice 3: very sheltered sandy coves where we install and lots of in between where we've got a mixture of

[0:39:10] Voice 3: rock and cobble. Now where possible we do bury the cable across the intertidal and that's just to

[0:39:18] Voice 3: a keep it safe b keep it out of view and and you know try not to have it exposed. Sometimes when

[0:39:25] Voice 3: we are on rocky beaches obviously that's not possible but we always do encase it in what we

[0:39:31] Voice 3: call a steel split pipe and that's to add some extra protection and so that's what you see the

[0:39:37] Voice 3: teams on the bottom right photo installing it clamps around the conduit and it bolts together

[0:39:44] Voice 3: and provides a very strong secure cover for the cable as it comes to shore. Next slide please.

[0:39:54] Voice 3: So what we have with Laskiti in particular we did have a different landing in mind previous

[0:40:01] Voice 3: near the hotel but due to the archaeological significance of that area we decided to not

[0:40:07] Voice 3: to move the cable landing and we are working with Modi on accessing the Modi right away that you see

[0:40:14] Voice 3: here and as everybody is aware we've got applications in for a text amendment to

[0:40:20] Voice 3: the various bylaws the zoning areas that we have here there's the marine general which encompasses

[0:40:28] Voice 3: the island we've got the M9 which is a marine multi-use ramp and then LB which is the land-based

[0:40:36] Voice 3: so we have submitted applications in for those text amendments and we're working with the planning

[0:40:44] Voice 3: department to work our way through those applications the next slide the current

[0:40:53] Voice 3: permitting process for this we have applied to the provincial government to receive the license

[0:40:59] Voice 3: of occupation for the crown land tenure the qualicum beach landing that this connection

[0:41:04] Voice 3: will be connected to is already built. It's existing infrastructure. It's just got that

[0:41:08] Voice 3: third pipe waiting for this link to come in. We used to need a navigable waters approval from

[0:41:16] Voice 3: Transport Canada for the previous landing. We're at the wharf and the hotel, but since we've moved

[0:41:22] Voice 3: that, we don't need that approval from Transport Canada anymore. Further to this permitting section,

[0:41:28] Voice 3: We're also working actively on permitting what we call Block 8, the Gulf Islands.

[0:41:34] Voice 3: We have a number of landings there that we're working with Islands Trust on as well with regards to various development applications needed, as well as we're interacting with that M1 or Marine General Zone, for example, on Laax and Valdez.

[0:41:54] Voice 3: that's our current progress we are actively engaging with first nations with regards to

[0:42:01] Voice 3: this particular part of the bill the southern gulf islands and up to uh liskiti um and we're

[0:42:08] Voice 3: we're constantly receiving feedback with regards to that uh next slide please christina oh there

[0:42:24] Voice 3: we go okay so i i apologize for the abbreviated version i think i realized one thing i did miss

[0:42:30] Voice 3: to mention is that um the program itself it may be funded it's provincially and federally funded

[0:42:36] Voice 3: but the partners that are designing installing and operating are the strathcona regional district

[0:42:42] Voice 3: and city west and city west is a wholly owned subsidiary of the city of prince rupert

[0:42:47] Voice 3: so i work with those two project partners to develop and permit and prepare the engagement

[0:42:55] Voice 3: for the program so I hope we managed to keep it to a short presentation to allow

[0:43:01] Voice 3: any questions chair Elliott you're on mute I feel like you're speaking right

[0:43:22] Voice 3: now yes thank you perfect

[0:43:27] Voice 7: thank you for the presentation and Cheryl and I'll

[0:43:32] Voice 7: turn to my colleagues first if you've got any questions so and then we'll move

[0:43:41] Voice 7: Yeah,

[0:43:43] Voice 8: thank you for the presentation. The Local Trust Committee has not, we don't have

[0:43:50] your application in front of us. I think it didn't make the deadline for this agenda.

[0:43:55] Voice 8: But staff have advised that the application has been submitted. I guess my main question,

[0:44:04] Voice 8: And I was glad to see that the landing location has been amended based on the feedback I've

[0:44:13] heard in the community that that's a better location.

[0:44:16] Voice 8: Just questions around the last mile.

[0:44:19] Voice 8: I spoke to a couple of folks from the Northern Development Initiative Trust around last mile

[0:44:30] Voice 8: funding.

[0:44:31] Voice 8: i think one of the concerns on a rural community like this where a lot of homes are

[0:44:41] fairly significant distance from the main road um in terms of equitable uh servicing of the

[0:44:51] community um there's a lot i think there's a lot of questions around what the last mile looks like

[0:44:57] uh how much it might cost um individuals uh the human development initiative trust indicated to me

[0:45:06] that there may

[0:45:06] Voice 8: be funding to get connections to homes um and i just wonder if you have any

[0:45:14] thoughts from that because i think that in terms of broad public support i think if it's a thing

[0:45:21] that only um people with a lot of money can afford then it's not equitable and and that's

[0:45:29] my biggest concern so i don't know if you

[0:45:31] Voice 7: have anything you can share with us on that

[0:45:33] Voice 7: not just take it as a comment

[0:45:36] Voice 3: sure you know i see we have we're very lucky we have rachel

[0:45:40] Voice 3: greenspan who's joined us from the province um i may be putting her slightly on the spot but i

[0:45:45] Voice 3: I think this would be a really great opportunity for Rachel to join in.

[0:45:51] Voice 2: Yeah, no, actually, that's great.

[0:45:53] Voice 2: Thank you for that.

[0:45:54] Voice 2: So we actually had a great conversation with Northern Development the other day as well.

[0:45:59] Voice 2: So there is last mile funding available.

[0:46:02] Voice 2: There is an applicant.

[0:46:03] Voice 2: It is totally separate from Connected Coast, right?

[0:46:05] Voice 2: So Connected Coast was funded as a transport only build.

[0:46:08] Voice 2: It brings the capacity.

[0:46:10] Voice 2: Last mile projects, there is a pot of money with Northern Development that is now closed.

[0:46:16] Voice 2: My understanding is there is a City West application from quite some time ago, a couple of years.

[0:46:21] Voice 2: That application cannot move forward until there is an expression of community support.

[0:46:27] Voice 2: But moreover, and now I get to put City West on the spot, I think we have an intake of the Connecting Communities BC program that will open July 16th and stay open until December.

[0:46:39] Voice 2: So one option here is that the old stale project at a program that's now closed, that if there is a Liskini Last Mile project and if there is community support for that, that it just gets resubmitted to the Connecting Communities BC program.

[0:46:56] Voice 2: And all your questions are really good questions.

[0:46:59] Voice 2: Megan Chadwick from our team is on this call as well.

[0:47:02] Voice 2: She's our director of community relations.

[0:47:04] Voice 2: regulations and so from a City West perspective you know community support from Liskety and

[0:47:10] Voice 2: answering all the questions if there were to be a last mile project proposal I think I would

[0:47:15] Voice 2: largely let you take those that offline but we'd certainly welcome an application and it would be

[0:47:20] Voice 2: reviewed in in the normal path of our review and assessment process with the federal government.

[0:47:28] Voice 3: Yes and Trustee Peterson you're more than welcome to reach out to me directly and I can connect

[0:47:34] Voice 3: folks with the right people within city west to continue that conversation um

[0:47:40] Voice 2: and we'd also

[0:47:41] Voice 2: welcome we did um talk to liskini internet access society and i think you folks may be the better

[0:47:47] Voice 2: folks to provide a letter of community support to that that's one of the questions we've had

[0:47:52] Voice 2: for for a while and we're really grateful for the open conversations yeah

[0:47:57] Voice 8: certainly thank you for

[0:47:58] Voice 8: that and i agree we have more uh conversation outside of this meeting um but i appreciate uh

[0:48:04] Voice 8: maybe um cheryl maybe you can send me uh a note so we can disconnect or something

[0:48:12] and

[0:48:13] Voice 8: uh i did uh after i talked

[0:48:16] Voice 7: with folks at

[0:48:17] Voice 8: the development initiative trust i i also connected

[0:48:22] Voice 8: them to the chair or the president of the local internet access society as well as our

[0:48:28] Voice 8: rachel director so i would assume that in terms of um to demonstrating public support that

[0:48:35] Voice 8: there will need to be some kind of community meeting of some sort to to kind of

[0:48:43] Voice 8: sketch out what the possibilities around um that application for last month funding would

[0:48:49] look like so i know that that

[0:48:51] Voice 8: would be appreciated and have better information

[0:48:54] Voice 7: to the community or

[0:48:55] Voice 7: what that might look like so thank you very much certainly actually just

[0:49:01] Voice 7: a follow-up to that um is the application window you said it opened july 16th in december so if we

[0:49:09] Voice 7: were to have a meeting in october and the ltc uh decided to write a letter requesting support um

[0:49:18] Voice 7: would that be enough time to get an application in to deal with an application?

[0:49:26] Voice 2: Yes, and unlike previous intakes, we'll be reviewing applications on a rolling basis.

[0:49:31] Voice 2: So there will be more news about this intake that will come out tomorrow or Wednesday,

[0:49:35] Voice 2: but we'll be reviewing applications on a rolling basis.

[0:49:37] Voice 2: So whenever community is ready to support and the application is complete, it would be totally fine.

[0:49:49] Voice 7: I guess I do have a question about the sort of your rezoning application sort of back

[0:49:55] Voice 7: to the nuts and bolts and anticipated timeline. Have you been in contact with Planar BA and

[0:50:02] Voice 7: we'll get an update from you Planar BA on that and options for the LTC to be considered?

[0:50:07] Voice 7: Do you want to discuss that now?

[0:50:08] Voice 7: Yeah, there we go.

[0:50:11] Voice 6: There is a pretty big market right now where we do have an application for remodeling and you'll see

[0:50:22] Voice 6: if they want to try to expedite it, which would mean delaying some of your other applications and other projects in order to be able to send some special meetings to consider the model.

[0:50:39] Voice 6: so

[0:50:39] Voice 7: that's otherwise we would just process that it is now

[0:50:55] Voice 6: that's

[0:50:57] Voice 7: great trustee laroni do you have questions in the moment um because we want to take some

[0:51:03] Voice 7: questions from the public yeah

[0:51:06] Voice 5: no questions tim kind of asked all the ones i had um so

[0:51:14] So what I

[0:51:16] Voice 8: hear you say, Planner Baugh, is that to expedite this application, which of course is not in front of us today, it would require postponing our other work.

[0:51:29] Is that what I hear you saying? And any sense of what length of postponement that is?

[0:51:35] I mean, I'm certainly eager to get the work done that we have

[0:51:39] Voice 8: before us.

[0:51:40] Voice 8: But can you give us sort of a, I don't know, a thumbnail guesstimate of the difference in time?

[0:51:48] Voice 8: I mean, we don't want to hold up the Connected Coast project unduly.

[0:51:54] Voice 8: And at the same time, we don't want to hold up our own projects unduly either.

[0:51:58] Voice 8: So I suppose a sense of what that might mean would be maybe helpful.

[0:52:03] Voice 8: And in fact, I mean, we don't have the application in front of us today.

[0:52:06] so maybe

[0:52:07] Voice 8: maybe just one way to let us know that let's keep that report

[0:52:12] Voice 7: right but i think that'd

[0:52:14] Voice 7: be helpful i think you go to sort of really high

[0:52:16] Voice 6: level uh through the chair uh that i think this

[0:52:22] Voice 6: application i would anticipate being approximately six to twelve months in the middle of all

[0:52:29] uh

[0:52:29] Voice 6: 50 to double next but i think that's that'll be my estimate um and and if you were just going

[0:52:36] Voice 6: those regular meetings that could go but it would go faster um so

[0:52:41] Voice 6: i don't know exactly i haven't

[0:52:43] Voice 6: mapped out exactly how much profit that would be and it depends on like what we first had

[0:52:48] Voice 6: okay so

[0:52:54] Voice 7: maybe when you do bring that application to us you can kind of map

[0:53:01] Voice 8: that out for us a little

[0:53:02] Voice 8: bit better i mean i know six and twelve months and it's a long time

[0:53:06] Voice 7: for us for the table to be

[0:53:08] Voice 7: delayed

[0:53:08] Voice 8: but we also want to know how long it didn't really just live out getting some special

[0:53:15] Voice 8: meetings in yes and so if we were to if we were to say have one or two meetings focused on

[0:53:24] Voice 8: expiring the application then it may

[0:53:27] Voice 7: not delay

[0:53:28] Voice 8: the rest of our work too much

[0:53:31] Voice 7: um

[0:53:33] Voice 6: on the lines as well but it um it's not a it's it's the staff results that do the extra

[0:53:41] Voice 6: work and just save a lot of time so

[0:53:44] Voice 7: we'll get more on that later i don't see the

[0:53:51] Voice 7: yeah

[0:53:52] Voice 3: so just to let you do project wise just for progress we are working

[0:53:57] Voice 3: focused heavily right now and for the rest of the summer out on the west coast of vancouver island

[0:54:02] Voice 3: um so we do have some time i'm not knocking on your door for next week or next month or even

[0:54:08] Voice 3: in September, October. But we do have some time but our time is limited until March 2025. So we

[0:54:16] Voice 3: have some time there that we're hoping we can work together to achieve a goal of connectivity

[0:54:23] Voice 3: for Connected Coast. We will have hopefully our license of occupation with the province in place,

[0:54:30] Voice 3: our permit with MODIS so we can support Islands Trust on working through this program.

[0:54:41] Voice 7: Yes, we'll take some questions from the public.

[0:54:44] Voice 6: I'm confused about, I know where the landing place for this cable is going to be, how far

[0:54:50] Voice 6: is it going to be?

[0:54:51] Voice 6: How far is it going to go in this plan, just to the landing site?

[0:54:55] Voice 7: That is correct.

[0:54:56] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:54:57] Voice 7: Last Mile is a different project to connect the fiber optic to homes in the community.

[0:55:03] Voice 7: so this is just to drop the cable in on a landing so that then it can be connected but

[0:55:11] Voice 6: at this time

[0:55:11] Voice 6: there's no plan to connect to that well

[0:55:14] Voice 6: that's kind of it's

[0:55:17] Voice 7: in stages two separate projects

[0:55:19] Voice 7: will

[0:55:21] Voice 6: you have to rezone anything to go the last mile yes

[0:55:24] Voice 7: i don't think

[0:55:27] Voice 7: i

[0:55:27] Voice 8: don't think there's rezoning required for the last mile i think it's just for the cable drop

[0:55:33] Voice 8: because it's coming through the marine zone,

[0:55:37] Voice 7: Plunderball knows everything.

[0:55:41] Voice 7: Certainly not everything.

[0:55:42] Voice 7: But I think you, currently there is no,

[0:55:48] Voice 7: the land use pilot doesn't allow

[0:55:49] Voice 7: or tell

[0:55:50] Voice 6: the community to explore any land-based or marine.

[0:55:54] Voice 6: But

[0:55:55] Voice 7: the land use site

[0:55:56] Voice 6: is supposed to be in the land-based zone,

[0:55:59] Voice 6: I believe, I haven't looked at that exactly.

[0:56:01] Voice 6: There is some other utility in that area,

[0:56:03] Voice 6: of that um uh that could be part of this bylaw amendment would be to allow it probably in the

[0:56:11] Voice 6: land itself until it can be acquired if that was the case then uh the bottle would be amended and

[0:56:17] Voice 6: it would apply in the future as well to that last

[0:56:20] Voice 7: amount of question so i think i think there'll be

[0:56:29] Voice 7: further clarifications on the project is that nothing is starting yet i'm

[0:56:34] Voice 6: confused i thought

[0:56:35] Voice 6: that area where landing zone for a barge ramp has that been removed from that area

[0:56:42] Voice 6: the barge ramp zoning shield there it's known as a barge ramp well how can it be a marine screen

[0:56:53] Voice 7: just can i call shelly garza if you're i can hear your typing i don't want to mute you again in case

[0:56:59] Voice 7: you can't hear us just so you know um

[0:57:03] Voice 3: the goal is bringing oh sorry a chair i can i can answer

[0:57:07] Voice 3: or maybe a little bit about that it is zoned uh and and we are we have put in the application to

[0:57:13] Voice 3: allow the utility within that particular zone what we do and we do have landings around the

[0:57:20] Voice 3: coast that interact with uh public access and barge access in and out uh we encase our our

[0:57:28] Voice 3: our cable in a steel split pipe in an effort to protect it and allow for um compatible uses

[0:57:35] Voice 3: this. So we wouldn't eliminate the ability to be able to use it as a barge ramp.

[0:57:43] Voice 6: It'll never be used as a barge ramp. It'll never be used as a barge ramp. So at the same time that

[0:57:52] Voice 6: you rezone it to allow the cable, are you going to remove the barge ramp only because it's redundant?

[0:57:57] Voice 6: It really is redundant. We have that other ramp.

[0:58:01] Voice 8: We don't have the application

[0:58:02] Voice 7: in front of us.

[0:58:03] Voice 7: start our you know um it gives

[0:58:08] Voice 6: me a bookkeeping

[0:58:09] Voice 7: we're trying to fix the problem of telecommunications

[0:58:12] Voice 7: not the background it's the relevance here so we'll see so we'll have that application

[0:58:19] Voice 7: if there's anything shelly garce uh cheryl apologies cheryl that

[0:58:24] Voice 7: the planner can get

[0:58:27] Voice 7: working on even though you're moving to the west coast and focusing there but if there's anything

[0:58:33] Voice 7: thing that we can do in the meantime because this will be we can't expedite the process at this

[0:58:38] Voice 7: point we just we have to push off our other minor project in order to do this so that's what i

[0:58:45] Voice 3: mentioned is that we do have

[0:58:47] Voice 3: some some leave time chair elliott which is is great um we're not

[0:58:51] Voice 3: coming over next month or in seven you know any in the next couple of months for example so

[0:58:58] Voice 3: hopefully we can work within the six month time frame as opposed to the 12 month time frame

[0:59:02] Voice 3: because that would take us out of our funding window um but we will do whatever we can to

[0:59:08] Voice 3: support the planning team with regards to questions and island trust with regards to the application

[0:59:16] Voice 7: excellent anything further for presenters all right well thank you for your time here today

[0:59:22] Voice 7: and for the presentation i'm sure we'll have lots more questions as uh this process unrolls but

[0:59:29] Voice 7: but looking forward to working with you

[0:59:30] Voice 7: and folks from Connected Coast.

[0:59:33] Voice 3: Great.

[0:59:34] Voice 3: Thank you, everybody, for your time.

[0:59:35] Voice 3: We appreciate it.

[0:59:39] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:59:39] Voice 3: Bye-bye.

[0:59:40] Voice 7: Bye-bye now.

[0:59:43] Voice 7: Okay, we'll just give a moment to reset here.

[0:59:49] Voice 7: And I'll note that APC Chair Shelley Garside

[0:59:53] Voice 7: has been able to attend the meeting.

[0:59:57] Voice 7: And I'll just ask if...

[1:00:00] Voice 7: the chair is ready and able to give a report i might have to text her though she was having

[1:00:07] Voice 7: trouble hearing let me hear

[1:00:23] Voice 7: her what

[1:00:39] Voice 6: happened was the original white one

[1:00:58] Voice 6: Well, it's just an old sign, but because there were too many complaints about it landing there for various reasons, so they moved it over to the other park ramp.

[1:01:07] Voice 6: It doesn't change anything, but they don't have to get rid of it.

[1:01:10] Voice 7: Okay, I'd like us to recess for five minutes, and

[1:01:15] Voice 9: we'll try

[1:01:16] Voice 7: to get the chair connected.

[1:01:19] Voice 7: Oh, wait a minute. Just come back in.

[1:01:24] Voice 7: Hello, Shelley. We can hear you.

[1:01:29] Voice 4: can you hear us try saying something

[1:01:46] Voice 7: let's take a five minute recess till 12 15 to try to figure out this technology

[1:01:52] Voice 7: thanks everyone okay

[1:01:56] Voice 10: i am unmuted and i am i presenting because i can't hear anything

[1:02:03] Voice 10: that's going on we can

[1:02:04] Voice 7: hear you we can hear you okay

[1:02:07] Voice 10: all right um thank you for inviting me here

[1:02:11] Voice 10: today members of islands trust our trustees and the public and i'm reporting i believe for the

[1:02:20] Voice 10: last two apc meetings that we've had we had a meeting on may the first of this year and we

[1:02:34] Voice 10: elected the officers and um i won't go into the details because i think it's already been published

[1:02:41] Voice 10: in the community and we had we had a referral i'm sorry i'm trying to find my documents here

[1:02:56] Voice 10: regarding uh definitions and the referral was for the advisory committee to define the term

[1:03:12] Voice 10: community benefit in the official community plan as it relates to the issuance of temporary

[1:03:17] Voice 10: use permit and so we did work on that and it took us that was actually this was actually the second

[1:03:26] Voice 10: meeting and so we were able to hammer out something to send to the trust committee for

[1:03:36] Voice 10: their referral and review and I will just ask from the chair whether they want me to read that

[1:03:48] Voice 10: out or not she can give me a yes or no or we can just leave it as it is and I

[1:03:57] Voice 10: can't see you either we don't need

[1:04:02] Voice 7: you to read that out because we'll receive a

[1:04:04] Voice 7: report at the LTC it just or yeah we'll see the minutes of your discussion so

[1:04:14] Voice 7: So that's efficient.

[1:04:20] Voice 7: So

[1:04:21] Voice 10: I'm waiting for instructions via chat.

[1:04:32] Voice 10: Okay, great.

[1:04:33] Voice 10: I didn't know if you had the minutes.

[1:04:34] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:04:37] Voice 10: And that's good.

[1:04:38] Voice 10: Okay, so the next piece was last week on the 10th, the APC met, where we are today at the Judith Fisher Centre.

[1:04:54] Voice 10: and we met specifically regarding the referral to do with private docks and that their use

[1:05:06] Voice 10: and defining how environmental and social effects should be addressed

[1:05:10] Voice 10: as they relate to boats and marine vessels under 4.4.7 and so I will just report that

[1:05:20] Voice 10: That the meeting happened and we did have one member of the APC put forward a motion that the referral not be reviewed at the time that it go back to the LTC until such time as the community had more time for input on the issue.

[1:05:47] Voice 10: and so that was considered and dialogued about and it was basically the opinion of the majority

[1:06:02] Voice 10: of members that we are to be a neutral group and that we were just discussing definitions and we're

[1:06:08] Voice 10: not the approval authority and that we had what we needed to discuss what a definition perhaps

[1:06:16] Voice 10: could look like and so the motion did not stand it was defeated and we

[1:06:22] Voice 10: continued on with the meeting and we did get quite a bit of work done in the end

[1:06:31] Voice 10: and so we will be meeting again on the 18th and hopefully one of our APC

[1:06:39] Voice 10: members. Okay, so I'm just looking at a chat. And anyway, we have one of our own APC members

[1:07:02] Voice 10: took notes, and she'll be giving those back to us so that we can edit it and hopefully come back

[1:07:08] Voice 10: with a more solid piece of work that can be considered by the LTC this time.

[1:07:17] Voice 10: I do want to state that there was a member of the APC who said he felt threatened by

[1:07:29] Voice 10: some members of the community about the issue and therefore did not want to participate

[1:07:37] Voice 10: participate actively in the dialogue. And that was one of the reasons for bringing the motion

[1:07:43] Voice 10: forward. And so I'm bringing that forward just as a concern and a concern within the community

[1:07:49] Voice 10: that seems to be coming out that there are members of the community that are quite confused about the

[1:07:56] Voice 10: differences between the rules of the LTC and the APC for one. And we're hoping that that

[1:08:05] Voice 10: can be rectified by Islands Trust and the LTC so there is some more clarity in

[1:08:13] Voice 10: the community so I think that that will end my report again we will be meeting

[1:08:17] Voice 10: again on the 18th so this week Thursday between 4 and 6 and thank you for that

[1:08:25] Voice 10: that's my report that's

[1:08:31] Voice 7: excellent I know you can't hear us Shelley but thank you

[1:08:35] Voice 7: for that excellent report and for um the suggestion that the ltc put out some education

[1:08:44] Voice 7: and advice on the different roles of the local trust committee and the advisory planning

[1:08:52] Voice 7: committee so we are going to be doing that thank you just wanted goodbye and i'm sorry the apc

[1:09:03] Voice 7: member did not feel um comfortable speaking so we're definitely going to um hopefully see a

[1:09:10] Voice 7: change so that the infancy can function as it's meant to which is as an advisory body to put a

[1:09:16] Voice 7: recommendation forward to the l2c not to interface with members of the public and have debates

[1:09:22] Voice 7: through that piece anything else on that matter i

[1:09:37] Voice 8: just want to note um that within um it's within

[1:09:43] Voice 8: the purview of the apc uh also just to let the ltc know that they think there should be broader

[1:09:52] broader public conversation on an issue i my own feeling is that this referral to the apc is not

[1:10:03] Voice 7: It's not intended to be a substitute for a wider community conversation.

[1:10:08] Voice 7: That's where I'm coming from.

[1:10:10] Voice 8: But the AQC can provide some advice if they wish.

[1:10:16] I don't want to presuppose what their conclusions are,

[1:10:22] but their advice could either provide us a definition

[1:10:26] or they could say, hey,

[1:10:28] Voice 8: LCC, we think you need to get out there

[1:10:30] Voice 8: and um engage

[1:10:32] Voice 7: with the community on a broader basis so i think all there's a lot of scope for

[1:10:38] Voice 7: for a different uh response society point that out yeah certainly not the only forum

[1:10:48] Voice 7: for community input it is a body to give advice um so i'd like to move through one last section

[1:10:57] Voice 7: um if we're finished with delegations and local trust committee projects and just move into

[1:11:05] Voice 7: correspondence and then take a brief break um do you want a full-length break today or 20 minutes

[1:11:14] Voice 7: yeah um whatever whatever you're talking about

[1:11:22] Voice 7: lots of

[1:11:23] Voice 8: time so that we can take a shorter break and then let everyone go

[1:11:26] Voice 8: yeah

[1:11:27] Voice 7: okay um i just wanted to ask so item 10.1 the email um regarding private docs on the skidi

[1:11:36] Voice 7: why was this included in the agenda package did somebody ask for it to be included um so of

[1:11:43] Voice 7: course it's not related to projects or applications to the ftc

[1:11:48] Voice 6: generally uh you

[1:11:50] Voice 6: have to put it on here

[1:11:51] Voice 6: this is

[1:11:52] Voice 6: related to dogs but it's not at least it wasn't clear that it was specifically about

[1:11:59] Voice 6: anything but the topic of dogs so i did reach out to the letter writer and asked

[1:12:05] Voice 6: okay great

[1:12:09] Voice 7: so we'll just receive that for information thank you to the letter writer

[1:12:16] Voice 7: okay it is 12 19 12 20. i'd like to suggest a 20 minute break and we'll come back and talk about

[1:12:23] Voice 7: our project is that okay or do you not want to break let's take a break same rate 20 minutes

[1:12:32] Voice 7: okay come back at 12 40. thank you everyone um

[1:12:40] Voice 8: i think that not people got involved that

[1:12:44] Voice 8: doorway than other people and also because we have a smaller population like it'd be hard if

[1:12:49] Voice 7: you want to say salt sprayer probably you know we can't go i'm sorry we need to give them hello

[1:13:01] Voice 7: everyone we're back from our break and um ready to dive back into the second part of our agenda

[1:13:10] Voice 7: which will be mostly taken up with the local trust committee project our official community

[1:13:17] Voice 7: plan and land use bylaw review update. However, we have anything more on the Connected Coast

[1:13:27] Voice 7: project from staff to update us on. Okay, we've got that. Great. So on page 26 of our

[1:13:37] Voice 7: agenda, we've got item 11.2 OCP and land use bylaw review major business case staff report.

[1:13:44] Voice 7: work. So this

[1:13:46] Voice 6: is a a full business case, you ever question

[1:13:55] Voice 6: that for not related to the project for a future project for

[1:14:01] Voice 6: the next fiscal year. And you're investing staff or business

[1:14:06] Voice 6: basically 20 2526. But facilitate a major project of

[1:14:11] Voice 6: the official community plan policies and land use file regulations pertaining to subdivisions,

[1:14:18] Voice 6: housing, short-term vacation rentals, conservation, and protection of the natural environment.

[1:14:24] Voice 6: Since this major project has taken place over multiple years, staff have drafted a business

[1:14:30] Voice 6: case to request funding for the first year of the project. That's one key point there that the

[1:14:37] Voice 6: The project would span multiple years, but this business case presented is really only related to that first year.

[1:14:43] The initial phase would include first-nation engagement, ABC and community engagement,

[1:14:49] Voice 6: mapping community values along the shoreline of the scheme,

[1:14:53] Voice 6: drafting a new OCP business statement tool, and staff analysis and tracking.

[1:14:58] Voice 6: Staff are recommending the LTC provide additional information to inform the business case and approve the major project in the case as amended.

[1:15:07] Voice 6: uh in particular the digital lock-in plan was recommended for the issue and opportunity section

[1:15:14] Voice 6: the project results and deliverables and the alternatives

[1:15:17] Voice 6: practical considerations as well

[1:15:22] Voice 6: as related to the lgc undertaking this major project in starting in 2025 um except that the

[1:15:30] Voice 6: existing lgc minor project should be substantially completed prior to the major project starting

[1:15:37] Voice 6: and the work on this project would be managed by the regional planning team planners

[1:15:42] Voice 6: and it's subject to their capacity as well as the regional planning.

[1:15:48] Voice 7: Right. I had a request from Trustee Laroni

[1:15:51] Voice 6: that

[1:15:51] Voice 7: we use the mic.

[1:15:54] Voice 6: So that was the conclusion of my question.

[1:15:56] Voice 7: That was the conclusion.

[1:16:02] Voice 9: Did you miss everything?

[1:16:07] Voice 7: Trustee Laroni, do we need to repeat anything?

[1:16:12] Voice 5: Sorry, I was having trouble finding my mute button.

[1:16:14] Voice 5: and um no no that was good it was just very challenging to hear him their agency uh is on

[1:16:21] Voice 7: so what we're looking for oh sorry imagine we're still almost uh you can have some

[1:16:30] Voice 7: some parts that you thought that the ltc needed to add to you just go over those again briefly

[1:16:39] Voice 6: yeah yeah there are three sections that um in particular would benefit from additional lgc input

[1:16:45] Voice 6: for the Issued and Opportunity section, Project Resolvents and Deliverables, and the Alternatives

[1:16:53] Voice 6: Considered.

[1:16:55] Voice 7: Those are the section dynamics for the business case.

[1:16:59] Voice 7: Yeah, that's great. So, Ms. DeLaroni and everyone else, page 27 has some specific questions

[1:17:12] Voice 7: that I think it would be helpful if we debate a little bit. And then, so if we can fill

[1:17:22] Voice 7: out the business case is what you're saying by answering some of these specific questions that

[1:17:27] Voice 7: will make it that much stronger and i would remind trustees that um there is a lot of um

[1:17:36] Voice 7: i guess this has to go to regional planning committee and eventually to trust council and

[1:17:42] Voice 7: then you know get it through financial planning committee and so the more that we can or for the

[1:17:48] Voice 7: ltc can put forward arguments about the critical nature of this project what issues will be resolved

[1:17:58] Voice 7: with it what opportunities are identified and what are we hoping to get out of it that will make the

[1:18:05] Voice 7: case that much stronger for why this ocp project should be considered next term there is a lot of

[1:18:12] Voice 7: competition for OCP projects and it's not that this isn't a worthy one, but the challenge is

[1:18:22] Voice 7: that we're just following on, just closing on an OCP project already and it may be perceived that

[1:18:31] Voice 7: there is a need to do another OCP review. So identifying the need and what we're going to

[1:18:36] Voice 7: answer with this project would be critical so that pretty um fair description yes the the

[1:18:45] Voice 7: this is the this

[1:18:52] Voice 6: is really the ltc's chance to review this and ensure that it is exactly what

[1:18:58] Voice 6: the ltc would like to see in the business case as far as what this project is about um and and as

[1:19:06] Voice 6: well to provide that strong rationale for why you're requesting this this budget and why you're

[1:19:12] Voice 6: requesting this project so that's right yeah there's additional background information if

[1:19:18] Voice 6: there's uh points that can be refined then this is the time to uh to make those changes or additions

[1:19:25] Voice 6: and then keep

[1:19:27] Voice 7: this this business case to the next step so the local trustees got it i thought but

[1:19:49] Voice 7: But to me, the most compelling case is that the current draft OCP LUB project didn't really address housing and the future of the limitations of the current housing stock for Liskiti.

[1:20:12] Voice 7: And there has been a lot of work done by the regional planning team and within the Islands Trust to come up with innovative potential policies that could be worked into your OCP to allow for flexibility of types and forms of housing that are appropriate for the community.

[1:20:33] Voice 7: And so my reading of this current draft is that none of those, there are no housing policies

[1:20:41] Voice 7: contemplated.

[1:20:42] Voice 7: There's a lot of focus on other aspects, but if you wanted OCP to carry you into the future

[1:20:51] Voice 7: for the next generation, we need to think about how to house diverse members of the

[1:21:00] Voice 7: community.

[1:21:00] Voice 7: So that would be my first thought, is to address the lack of housing policies in the current

[1:21:06] Voice 7: OCP.

[1:21:09] Voice 7: Over to you, trustees.

[1:21:13] Voice 7: And let's just have a debate, we don't have to pass the floor to everybody, if you want.

[1:21:28] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:21:31] Voice 8: So one of the things that stands out for me in this business case is the section on impersonation

[1:21:39] engagement.

[1:21:41] Budget-wise, it's a significant portion of the

[1:21:45] Voice 8: funding of the project, and to me that's

[1:21:50] actually a really important piece as we look at specifically around shoreline issues.

[1:21:59] I'm

[1:22:00] Voice 8: well aware that First Nations have significant interests along the shorelines of all of the

[1:22:09] the islands. To date, we

[1:22:13] Voice 8: have one protocol agreement with one First Nation. There are

[1:22:17] Voice 8: multiple First Nations that have overlapping interests on Muskegon and the local trust

[1:22:23] Voice 8: area. And so I see a real tie between the shoreline values and the interests of First

[1:22:31] Nations. And I think it's actually very important that the local trust

[1:22:36] Voice 8: committee and the community

[1:22:37] Voice 8: community has the opportunity to hear from the first nations. It is a complex environment

[1:22:45] Voice 8: in the sense of the multiple first nations that do have interests and where there's capacity

[1:22:51] Voice 8: issues for some nations.

[1:22:55] Voice 7: So I see that as a really important factor for this proposed

[1:23:03] Voice 7: proposed project um well

[1:23:07] Voice 8: another bit is the is the question around the vision statement i think

[1:23:11] Voice 8: there's strong community support um for developing a vision statement uh it was one of the pieces

[1:23:18] that

[1:23:19] Voice 8: the uh

[1:23:19] Voice 7: previous uh community association uh ocp steering committee uh did not get to in their

[1:23:27] Voice 7: previous work and they flag that as

[1:23:31] Voice 8: something that's that's important so i think to me it

[1:23:34] Voice 8: remains important that i hear from community members that they also feel it's important

[1:23:38] Voice 8: so i think that's um that's one thing um around the housing options certainly there's a need to

[1:23:49] Voice 8: be forward-thinking my sense is that the in terms of project funding realistically if we wrap our

[1:24:04] Voice 8: present OCP LUB project and don't address housing in it in a more broad way than we have that we may

[1:24:15] Voice 8: not have the opportunity to do so again for several years um just look at the way that the

[1:24:22] Voice 8: projects go i think it's important to make these considerations as soon as possible so that we are

[1:24:31] Voice 8: planning for the future and that we don't um just sort of let it sit by the wayside for a number of

[1:24:37] Voice 8: years the ski may not be in the dire situation that some other islands in the islands trust are

[1:24:44] Voice 8: at this point in terms of housing and different options, different models. However, we don't

[1:24:53] have a lot of, we

[1:24:54] Voice 8: have almost no diversity in terms of options. We have an aging population

[1:25:01] Voice 8: and at this point the model would be, well, the market besides. And I don't think that's

[1:25:09] Voice 8: where the community wants these

[1:25:13] Voice 7: you know the future of housing to be decided um based solely

[1:25:19] Voice 7: on existing model which is essentially be simple private

[1:25:27] Voice 8: uh private land ownership and and um

[1:25:31] Voice 8: and uh within within that restriction on the number of bullets i think we need to

[1:25:37] Voice 7: at least have a public conversation about

[1:25:40] Voice 7: whether

[1:25:42] Voice 8: it's reasonable to consider different zones or community housing

[1:25:51] Voice 8: certainly this where we sit right now is the only place on the island that has

[1:25:55] Voice 8: any

[1:25:56] Voice 7: kind of increased density which is specific to seniors which is a good thing i'm very very

[1:26:04] Voice 7: positive about it but that's not the extent of diversity that we need to

[1:26:08] Voice 7: think about encouraging and promoting I think given the continually rising

[1:26:17] Voice 7: prices of property I think we need to consider what other options might be

[1:26:25] supported by the community

[1:26:27] Voice 8: and whether that's one of the things that I know

[1:26:31] Voice 8: there's been i've been involved actually in a conversation about um forming the community land

[1:26:37] Voice 8: trust here it's to my mind it is um it's feasible to imagine that if there was a

[1:26:50] community-owned property that

[1:26:54] Voice 8: consideration around different zoning

[1:26:57] Voice 8: um to support uh the potential of perhaps increased zoning or increased density in appropriate

[1:27:08] Voice 8: areas that our community owned as opposed to um profit driven that that might be supported

[1:27:16] Voice 8: by the community we don't know we haven't had that conversation i don't think that there's

[1:27:21] Voice 8: um my sense is there's not a lot of support to um increase density for private land um

[1:27:29] Voice 8: and so that's that's one big consideration to me is how we as a community can look at

[1:27:37] Voice 8: uh housing and potentially not necessarily but potentially increase uh density in certain areas

[1:27:47] Voice 8: is that would be uh promoting housing on a non you know not not on a private profit basis

[1:27:57] Voice 8: so that's sort of my ex my my thoughts around the housing piece um i think i touched on the shoreline

[1:28:07] Voice 8: uh the shoreline values in conjunction with the first interest enough

[1:28:14] Voice 8: enough um and certainly as it's um mentioned in the first phase of the project to have that

[1:28:26] Voice 8: community engagement along all of these issues the shoreline values uh and the other phase to

[1:28:35] Voice 7: review topics so those are my thoughts at this time question comments sorry i'm here

[1:28:48] Voice 4: so my feelings

[1:28:54] Voice 5: are that we are already facing uh challenges at a minor level like for example

[1:29:01] Voice 5: housing and it's pretty obvious that it's a big issue everywhere and as there has been a big

[1:29:07] Voice 5: population increase it is only going to get worse so i really think that a forward thinking

[1:29:16] Voice 5: community plan sorry land use bylaw is essential so if we choose to mitigate the issues before

[1:29:21] Voice 5: they become a big problem then we won't there won't be a problem and I mean it's obvious across

[1:29:27] Voice 5: the board to me on that topic but I also understand wanting to get this finished and through

[1:29:39] Voice 5: I haven't been part of the meetings as they've been held at the hall but I know that Shoshana

[1:29:44] Voice 5: Laskiti has been hosting some meetings to talk about housing I don't know if Tim has attended

[1:29:50] Voice 5: those or not and has some insight on that more than he's already given or perhaps yeah

[1:30:02] Voice 7: So actually, that's a that's an important point. So what you're saying is there is already community conversation happening about housing.

[1:30:10] Voice 7: And this is outside of the current OCP minor project.

[1:30:16] Voice 7: So that is a critical issue that the community is essentially asking to be addressed because we're having conversations about it.

[1:30:24] Voice 7: Does that summarize what you're saying?

[1:30:27] Voice 5: that summarizes it beautifully yes we're i mean we're having i guess we're starting to have a

[1:30:32] Voice 5: little bit of growth of changes due to growth and to the where our island is headed and i think we

[1:30:37] Voice 5: need to focus on how to use our bylaws etc to help mitigate and also help shape our future

[1:30:51] Voice 5: so that's really what it's supposed to be there for and as changes happen yeah i mean we can we

[1:30:58] Voice 5: have we're planners right we do land use land use planning so we know what's coming down the pipes

[1:31:02] Voice 5: or can have a pretty good idea um

[1:31:10] Voice 8: so yeah i actually have attended three community meetings

[1:31:14] Voice 8: uh community forums they're probably on the topic of housing i think they were

[1:31:21] Voice 8: a lot of really interesting ideas um brought forward i think one of the um opportunities

[1:31:32] Voice 8: for bringing that discussion into the into a local trust committee project is to

[1:31:38] Voice 8: sort of broaden that community uh conversation um there's i think my take is that there was um

[1:31:54] pretty much unanimous uh recognition that we do

[1:31:59] Voice 8: nothing we can expect um nothing positive so

[1:32:06] Voice 8: So if this local trust committee can take a proactive approach to delving into what housing options might be reasonable and well-supported in the community

[1:32:18] Voice 8: and get staff to work on how we might get our OCP and land use bylaws to align with where the community is supportive of going in that proactive way,

[1:32:33] i think that would be a really positive

[1:32:34] Voice 8: uh outcome uh and again much better to plan than to react

[1:32:43] Voice 8: um so yeah that's uh there's been three i assume there's going to be more

[1:32:49] Voice 8: uh out the last one um there's

[1:32:53] Voice 7: a group of people that are are uh planning to pursue a non-profit

[1:32:58] Voice 7: it um

[1:32:59] Voice 8: to uh to create a community land trust and uh precisely where that goes it's hard to

[1:33:07] Voice 8: know but there's certainly interest and i would say there's a a broad range of options were

[1:33:12] Voice 8: discussed at some of the meetings um hard to get a sense of without a wider conversation hard to

[1:33:19] Voice 8: get a sense of what's well supported in the community and what's um maybe not as well

[1:33:24] Voice 8: supported uh but yes let's let's be proactive uh and not wait for problems

[1:33:31] Voice 7: um as we see us or the

[1:33:33] Voice 7: other island communities so we've covered the the need for housing i think that's a real issue and

[1:33:48] Voice 7: an opportunity i just wanted to get back to the idea of vision and what possibilities does that

[1:33:59] Voice 7: present to this community to be able to articulate a vision of what kind of community

[1:34:07] Voice 7: Mesquitee is and what kind of community do we want to be five or ten, twenty years into the future.

[1:34:15] Voice 7: So that vision conversation is often missed if we get into the minutia of what is, what is already

[1:34:24] Voice 7: in place, the regulatory framework that exists. But I think that vision piece is quite critical

[1:34:30] Voice 7: So I would say that's the second part that I've heard, you know, was requested in the last LTC meeting.

[1:34:39] Voice 7: What about this vision conversation?

[1:34:44] Voice 7: How does this community envision itself into the future is essential.

[1:34:50] Voice 7: I wanted to ask about the mapping of the shoreline values and how we landed on that as the critical piece for this first phase.

[1:35:02] Voice 7: The mapping of the shoreline values, because I've not been part of the earlier terms of

[1:35:13] Voice 7: the OCP Trust Committee, perhaps that was a piece that was started and then missed or

[1:35:18] Voice 7: dropped.

[1:35:19] Voice 7: So this mapping of the shoreline

[1:35:28] Voice 6: values was part of the request to include in this

[1:35:31] Voice 6: project and that's identified for this first phase because it is what would inform those

[1:35:38] Voice 6: OCP and policies in the 90s pilot regulations is identifying you know which areas of the shoreline

[1:35:46] Voice 6: are valued for what reasons and mapping out what is the vision for the city shoreline and then

[1:35:53] using that information that engagement really to

[1:35:56] Voice 7: to then implement OCP policies and regulations

[1:36:01] Voice 7: populations just

[1:36:09] Voice 8: in terms of the uh the organizational um objectives obviously uh

[1:36:20] Voice 8: reconciliation is first and foremost in my mind on that and uh considering protection of marine

[1:36:31] Voice 8: for sure i think really really aligns not only with the reconciliation objectives but also the

[1:36:39] Voice 8: the larger preserve and protect mandate looking at the items from the future projects report

[1:36:50] Voice 8: one of them is subdivision regulations which include we want to amend that lot size that's

[1:37:01] Voice 8: i think maybe not uh it's really a matter of changing some digits on a bylaw but the

[1:37:07] Voice 8: consideration of proof of water at the time of subdivision i think in terms of sustainability

[1:37:12] Voice 8: goals that's well worth consideration is that if we're going to um we're going to look at

[1:37:20] Voice 8: where and when uh

[1:37:23] Voice 7: subdivision is is a reasonable um an island like this i think water is i mean

[1:37:33] water is essential everywhere but

[1:37:34] Voice 8: we know that's a limited resource within um within the islands

[1:37:39] Voice 8: and certainly within that stress area you may not have as dire problems as some of the other

[1:37:45] Voice 8: islands do but specifically in the south but that's no reason to ignore the issue

[1:37:52] Voice 8: that's been on the list for a number of years now as something we wanted to have a good look at

[1:38:00] Voice 8: The consideration of adding a marine conservation zone is specifically on the LUB future projects

[1:38:09] Voice 8: list.

[1:38:10] I think that ties precisely back into the

[1:38:13] Voice 8: rain foreshore values mapping and it ties

[1:38:19] Voice 8: again back into the issue of First Nations interests.

[1:38:24] Voice 8: And then in terms of other things on the future projects report, clearly updating with regards

[1:38:34] Voice 8: to consistency to the regional conservation plan, that's operational or organizational

[1:38:40] Voice 8: goal, consistency for a toolkit, that's within the same area, and looking at the rest of

[1:38:57] Voice 8: follow action list i think um all of these items are either uh directly related to those um broader

[1:39:06] Voice 8: organizational uh sort of tech goals

[1:39:09] Voice 8: or

[1:39:10] Voice 7: to strong uh community interests um i

[1:39:16] Voice 8: will note that number

[1:39:17] Voice 8: four there around the development plan for managing more employees at rodox the shoreline had

[1:39:25] Voice 8: had some issues in the past around um public

[1:39:30] Voice 7: accesses being waived at time of subdivision

[1:39:33] Voice 7: i could see support for us there we have stronger language around that in in in

[1:39:43] Voice 8: our bylaws um to

[1:39:45] Voice 8: make the waiving of public accesses uh less sort of less of a formality i'd like to see that

[1:39:54] Voice 8: waving the foreshore access is not something that can be done um without community consultation

[1:40:01] Voice 8: ever um we do suffer from a lack of public accesses due to uh the way they've been carried

[1:40:10] Voice 8: out in the past specifically through the 70s and early 80s there's something that we would

[1:40:14] Voice 8: have a number a lot more of them now if so many were not waved in the past um and uh

[1:40:22] Voice 8: i would say of course i mentioned managing morning boys before that's a very complex environment

[1:40:29] Voice 8: but it might be good to get a sense of where the community wants to be on that as the organization

[1:40:36] Voice 8: in a wider uh scope looks at those issues if we look at what's going on in gadgets harbour

[1:40:44] Voice 8: and montague harbour and those are the two that i chair up so i'm very aware of the problems there

[1:40:50] Voice 8: around the unregulated private mooring police and as I mentioned we need a coherent trust-wide

[1:41:01] Voice 8: plan to address that but I think it would be good for the community to have the conversation and

[1:41:06] Voice 8: what the skis sort of input into any wider scope regulatory scheme might be because I think

[1:41:16] Voice 8: think uh should the islands trust enter into uh enter into cooperation agreements with the feds

[1:41:23] Voice 8: and the regional districts and province it'd be very good for the the speedy position to be

[1:41:28] Voice 8: established and something that we

[1:41:31] Voice 7: could communicate out um when those discussions happen

[1:41:34] Voice 7: just keep the floor open for any other comments some other ideas but i

[1:41:49] Voice 5: was just going to comment

[1:41:54] Voice 5: about um climate change and making sure that we address that i mean it's kind of i mean tim is

[1:42:03] Voice 5: also tim saying you know that we are that we're looking at the future and changes and making sure

[1:42:07] Voice 5: that we reflect that and i think that's super super important he's really yeah you really hit

[1:42:14] Voice 5: the nail on the head tim so

[1:42:20] Voice 7: do we have any challenges currently or issues in this community

[1:42:24] Voice 7: community that a climate change lens or focus could support addressing? Like is there limits

[1:42:35] Voice 7: on fresh water? Do we have that groundwater for Leskeetee?

[1:42:41] Voice 7: Don't have groundwater.

[1:42:42] Voice 7: Don't have groundwater.

[1:42:47] Voice 7: Leskeetee had been included in a regional project

[1:42:51] Voice 8: and just based on the scope of the

[1:42:56] Voice 8: project we fell off the list so despite the fact that we supported that work coming to liskiti

[1:43:03] it

[1:43:05] Voice 7: didn't happen i think it's something that's still valuable here that's a good point if

[1:43:10] Voice 7: liskiti has not been included maybe i would check with rpm gemarat i'm not sure about that but i

[1:43:19] Voice 7: see you've got your hand raised um is listening on the freshwater sustainability strategy for groundwater

[1:43:29] Voice 1: Through the chair um I need to go back and check on that my hand was raised just in terms of the

[1:43:35] Voice 1: the discussion and and going back to some of the touching or recapping on some of the topics for

[1:43:41] Voice 1: the report but I can follow up on whether Liskiti is included in the freshwater strategic plan.

[1:43:49] Voice 4: And I so

[1:43:50] Voice 7: sorry just to just to come back around to if we're setting priorities would it make sense

[1:43:56] Voice 7: it does still make sense to me anyways to map the shoreline values and you know

[1:44:04] Voice 7: not just the values but in understanding where sea level rise could factor

[1:44:10] Voice 7: implicates future development that would be part of it but then if groundwater

[1:44:17] Voice 7: mapping was to follow for a housing focus project that would be much later

[1:44:24] Voice 7: phase. There's some groundwork to do first maybe with mapping the water. Well, you're

[1:44:45] Voice 7: asking for input on this first phase. Is it, you know, we want to limit it to what

[1:44:51] Voice 7: you've articulated, engagement with First Nations, mapping community values, what climate

[1:44:58] Voice 7: change, the effects of climate change potentially be included in the mapping of

[1:45:06] Voice 7: of shoreline values.

[1:45:10] Voice 7: I

[1:45:15] Voice 1: could maybe kick that off through the chair.

[1:45:21] Voice 7: Could you speak up

[1:45:22] Voice 9: just a little

[1:45:23] Voice 7: bit, Renee?

[1:45:24] Voice 1: You bet.

[1:45:25] Voice 1: Through the chair,

[1:45:25] Voice 1: can you hear me now?

[1:45:26] Voice 1: Yeah.

[1:45:27] Voice 1: Great.

[1:45:28] Voice 1: Maybe as planner Beau looks through some of the information,

[1:45:33] Voice 1: some of these items or topics are already identified

[1:45:37] Voice 1: as part of this business plan.

[1:45:38] Voice 1: So on page, what I wanted to just recognize in the LTC's discussion, on page 31 of the agenda, in the gray box called phase two, there's already topics identified, such as regular LUB or land use bylaw regulations related to subdivision housing,

[1:45:59] Voice 1: housing, feral sheep, conservation targets, climate change, short-term vacation rentals

[1:46:05] Voice 1: and tourism, management plan for mooring buoys, and access to shoreline in Scotty Bay,

[1:46:11] Voice 1: and developing and management a marine conservation zone. So I believe Trustee Peterson

[1:46:19] Voice 1: commented on some of that. So the information for today and for the business case would be to make

[1:46:26] Voice 1: sure we capture these bigger topics and some of the the rationale behind why it's important for

[1:46:33] Voice 1: the ltc or the community so we can help explain that to strengthen the business case we don't

[1:46:39] Voice 1: necessarily need to delve into any of the specifics at this time so i think part of what we're hearing

[1:46:47] Voice 1: in the discussion would be good for planner bow and i to recap to make sure that we've captured

[1:46:53] Voice 1: what the LTC would like to see and has discussed that we can then embed in this business case to

[1:47:01] Voice 1: strengthen it so I'm just maybe just just flagging that some of this detail is is great in order to

[1:47:08] Voice 1: facilitate the discussion but we don't have to have it figured out at this particular juncture

[1:47:13] Voice 1: in terms of policy

[1:47:28] What's contemplated in this business case for the mapping of shoreline values is really

[1:47:35] related to the agency and community.

[1:47:39] Voice 6: And so if there were further data gaps, that would potentially be a future phase of the

[1:47:45] Voice 6: project, which of course would also be a resource to examine that further.

[1:47:50] Voice 6: earlier, but I, so I'll just provide that bit of information, but I think what our

[1:47:56] Voice 6: team did ever has, and it was really instructive

[1:47:59] Voice 7: too to focus this conversation.

[1:48:01] Voice 7: That really helps, because the community has been telling us, basically over the last year,

[1:48:12] Voice 7: what I've been hearing is, we know the shoreline, we know a protected base, we know

[1:48:19] Voice 7: how things are changing so what you're saying is soliciting local knowledge through the APC

[1:48:29] Voice 7: and community engagement on what do we know about the shoreline would be the focus of that

[1:48:35] Voice 7: rather than a technical mapping exercise done from you know over whatever imagery or whatever

[1:48:45] Voice 7: i don't know how well it's done but okay that's that's good um and so trustee do you do you agree

[1:48:51] Voice 7: that the community would feel it's important and you want to amplify that why why would this be the

[1:49:00] Voice 7: first phase for um this next project because my question is why why was that there like why did

[1:49:10] Voice 7: to meet mapping first before housing for instance

[1:49:14] Voice 7: there we go i

[1:49:21] Voice 6: have to clarify too that this this are you looking at page 31 yeah there's a box

[1:49:29] Voice 6: uh it says abc and community engagement so this is not only consultations or maps or

[1:49:36] Voice 6: community values. It is also to draft a vision statement and to do also a part of this engagement

[1:49:44] Voice 6: is to engage the support for these phase two topics which include a lot of what for some

[1:49:51] Voice 6: of what the LTC is open for today and important topics too. So I think housing is in that

[1:49:58] Voice 6: climate change, mooring buoys, marine conservation, those are all topics in that proposed phase

[1:50:08] Voice 6: to

[1:50:08] Voice 7: be part of that engagement phase.

[1:50:14] Voice 7: I want

[1:50:23] Voice 8: to say that I appreciate, notwithstanding that I want everything done yesterday, but

[1:50:31] Voice 8: But then I actually really appreciate that the way that phase one is laid out is heavily

[1:50:38] Voice 8: focused on community engagement and consultation and First Nations engagement and consultation

[1:50:48] Voice 8: because I think that that is the right order in which to do this work before we get into

[1:50:57] Voice 8: to sort of the nitty-gritty of as you say up the base the phase two items phase two items are the

[1:51:03] Voice 8: are the policies um bylaws regulations and we absolutely have to have the community conversation

[1:51:11] Voice 8: around those and we need to have the first nations engagement as well so i appreciate that you know

[1:51:19] Voice 8: essentially almost all the phase one is about engagement and consultation and i think that's

[1:51:25] Voice 8: appropriate.

[1:51:29] Voice 5: I agree with

[1:51:30] Voice 5: Tim. Sorry.

[1:51:31] Voice 7: Great. No,

[1:51:32] Voice 4: don't be sorry.

[1:51:33] Voice 7: How do we clarify what issue will

[1:51:36] Voice 7: be resolved in this initiative? Opportunity has been identified. I think we're clear on that.

[1:51:41] Voice 7: The organizational objectives addressed. Tim, you articulated how it ties back to the current

[1:51:50] Voice 7: strategic plan. And what about project results and deliverables? What do we want to see

[1:51:59] Voice 7: out of this new ocp review people speak through the chair the for this particular section as well

[1:52:21] the project results and deliverables

[1:52:23] Voice 6: the aim is really just to confirm that that it is a

[1:52:27] Voice 6: comprehensive ocp review and land use bylaw review that the ltc is asking for with this project so

[1:52:35] those would be the deliverables or proposed

[1:52:38] Voice 6: that apparently is uh would be a no cp file and use

[1:52:41] Voice 7: file but why not a targeted review is this i guess just because this so this is considered a

[1:52:51] Voice 7: comprehensive right and that

[1:52:56] Voice 6: is a if the ltc is wants to look at other alternatives and a targeted

[1:53:03] Voice 6: review is something you want to play as well and to take some of these pieces so we could

[1:53:10] Voice 7: add in an alternative again so staff have also asked the question what are the

[1:53:18] Voice 7: other alternatives that the ltc may wish to consider there are two in the business case

[1:53:26] Voice 7: but we should identify the risks of not moving forward this is a major project

[1:53:32] Voice 7: i would say as a comprehensive ocip what are the risks so an alternative might be that there is

[1:53:38] Voice 7: a targeted ocp review but then we should say why would that be less beneficial limiting the scope

[1:53:48] Voice 7: means you'll get it done quicker or you may not have to go and ask for the money but what will

[1:53:55] Voice 7: fall to the wayside is that really critical for your community you can articulate that might help

[1:54:04] Voice 8: so as far as that goes i think um the big risk is that by doing small targeted reviews um we

[1:54:15] Voice 8: we don't we're less likely to do this sort of extensive um engagement and consultation

[1:54:24] Voice 8: that's proposed in phase one um i think also one of the risks is that as we do uh smaller projects

[1:54:37] Voice 8: say piecemeal, but the thing about comprehensive review

[1:54:41] Voice 8: as opposed to a number of targeted reviews

[1:54:43] Voice 8: is it really, it gives the opportunity

[1:54:47] Voice 8: to look at how all these bits interact with each other.

[1:54:51] Voice 8: When we do the targeted review,

[1:54:54] Voice 8: there's less scope to see how the pieces fit together.

[1:55:02] Voice 8: And I think that's, I would say the risk

[1:55:06] Voice 8: of not doing this project is that

[1:55:09] Voice 8: because we do a number of small smaller targeted um reviews i i think

[1:55:18] Voice 8: the way i sort of look at it is is that um there's potential for sort of making work for staff

[1:55:28] um through the potential of sort of in an unintentionally um

[1:55:32] Voice 8: conflicting direction

[1:55:35] Voice 8: within these different pieces. The advantage of a comprehensive review is that we're looking at all of these different issues in a holistic way and

[1:55:50] Voice 7: the way they interact.

[1:55:54] Voice 7: Act. I totally agree that the pieces are all interrelated. Groundwater affects housing,

[1:56:06] Voice 7: increased density has implications for climate change,

[1:56:10] Voice 7: conversations reconciliation affects quality planning. So if you separate these pieces,

[1:56:17] Voice 7: we're not going to end up with a comprehensive community plan that will actually be resilient

[1:56:25] Voice 7: for the future and integrated. I think that's a really good point they're all linked. I just wonder

[1:56:45] Voice 7: I just wonder from a staff perspective is there have

[1:56:51] Voice 8: we addressed your questions in a way that's

[1:56:55] Voice 8: helpful or is there or are we a little thin on any one of these areas that you'd like to direct us to

[1:57:07] Voice 7: I think the, if

[1:57:11] Voice 6: you can have this discussion and are having this discussion on a high level of what are the issues and so if you can bring that into those particular sections and and just just to bring it on to suggest, you know, here are the issues and opportunities and then we can take that direction from you and amend this.

[1:57:36] Voice 6: just just so that it's clear I guess what are the amendments you're requesting us to make to

[1:57:41] Voice 6: this business case if there are any I

[1:57:44] Voice 7: suppose as well although I've had this discussion a number

[1:57:48] Voice 7: of things at this point so I would add to the issue opportunity section that while foundational

[1:58:12] Voice 7: foundational work was undertaken, you know, if there isn't the current minor targeted

[1:58:25] Voice 7: review did not address sufficiently the needs of the community to the next 30 years. Housing,

[1:58:38] Voice 7: climate change, reconciliation were not contemplated sufficiently, so the community wants a chance

[1:58:50] Voice 7: to go back in and draft an OCP

[1:58:53] Voice 7: that will be resilient into the future.

[1:58:58] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:58:59] Voice 7: I hope that answers your question.

[1:59:10] Voice 7: Yeah, go ahead.

[1:59:11] Voice 7: Oh, sorry.

[1:59:12] Voice 7: Hi, Renee.

[1:59:13] Voice 7: Please speak up if you're...

[1:59:15] Voice 1: No problem.

[1:59:15] Voice 1: Through the chair, I'm just...

[1:59:17] Voice 1: I'm here listening.

[1:59:19] Voice 1: And if I may also suggest...

[1:59:23] Voice 1: Shoot, I lost my train of thought.

[1:59:25] Voice 1: Pardon me.

[1:59:26] Voice 1: It was just listening out for the recap

[1:59:28] Voice 1: from the previous um discussion as well um so i'll just pause i'll jump back in once i remember

[1:59:35] Voice 1: but i'm looking for for nods and prompts from the trustees so that when we're recapping

[1:59:40] Voice 1: we have everything for you

[1:59:42] Voice 1: i

[1:59:47] Voice 7: tried to take some notes on this as we went through so

[1:59:56] Voice 6: the issue opportunity section some of the topics

[2:00:00] Voice 6: climate change aging population and um and not having

[2:00:04] Voice 7: through

[2:00:06] Voice 1: the chair can um planner bao

[2:00:08] Voice 1: also speak into the mic

[2:00:10] Voice 7: thank you for

[2:00:14] Voice 1: recapping the the topics so

[2:00:17] Voice 6: the issues and opportunities

[2:00:18] Voice 6: some of the topics stressing we're talking about were climate change uh housing options and in

[2:00:25] Voice 6: in particular of the aging population and the aging first nations about shoreline values

[2:00:32] Voice 6: proactive planning to address um oh this is sort of a repeat but housing options um

[2:00:39] Voice 6: so to take a proactive stance on that um the issue of waving public access to shorelines

[2:00:47] Voice 6: at times subdivision and then some of the organizational objectives

[2:00:52] Voice 6: or being consistent with the Conservancy plan and those for toolkit, protecting the

[2:01:00] Voice 6: rainforest and reconciliation.

[2:01:02] Voice 6: I

[2:01:04] Voice 7: would add, the speed was not done with groundwater mapping, fresh water sustainability strategy,

[2:01:11] Voice 7: I don't think we worked in that, but that's a question mark that staff can follow up on.

[2:01:25] Voice 7: Opportunity, I would say that the community is already talking about housing.

[2:01:31] Voice 7: we can say an opportunity that the community is already talking about housing and wants to see

[2:01:37] Voice 7: this addressed trustee maroney would you say that and just i don't want to focus on you but you are

[2:01:49] Voice 7: in a certain demographic um and uh would you say from people that you know of your age bracket is

[2:01:58] Voice 7: Is there a concern about, you know, is Leskete able to support, you know, the younger generation

[2:02:09] Voice 7: in terms of getting into housing or economic opportunity or jobs?

[2:02:14] Voice 7: What is the opportunity that an OCP review could address for people in that demographic?

[2:02:22] Voice 5: Well, I would say there's definitely a challenge to make ends meet, especially as a lot of

[2:02:27] Voice 5: people in my rough age range i'm starting

[2:02:30] Voice 5: to have oh sorry can

[2:02:31] Voice 7: you say that again your video you

[2:02:33] Voice 7: just froze could you maybe turn your video off and yeah oh no our internet connection apologies

[2:02:38] Voice 7: go ahead okay

[2:02:39] Voice 5: is that better now yeah i can shut my video off here too okay all right i was just

[2:02:50] Voice 5: saying that it's definitely an issue in my generation and especially as families start

[2:02:56] Voice 5: start to have children it's just it's there's not enough economic opportunities and unless your

[2:03:04] Voice 5: parents live on the island and you can live on their property or in an area with their help it's

[2:03:10] Voice 5: very challenging to make it work and that's something i've been really thinking at looking

[2:03:18] Voice 5: at is how to improve economic opportunities on the skeety and i'm not sure that there

[2:03:25] Voice 5: There are many with the current population and businesses that are available, but with

[2:03:31] Voice 5: the advent of online work becoming way more accessible and available, I hope that that

[2:03:36] Voice 5: will improve the ability for younger people to stay on Mesquitee if that's what they want

[2:03:41] Voice 5: to do.

[2:03:52] Voice 8: So in terms of issues and opportunities, I'll just note that the targeted model, targeted

[2:04:02] Voice 8: project model that we have been working on, it has required us to drop things out of the scope, as we all know, and that's problematic in a couple of different ways because it delays the work and it also, I think it sort of frustrates community expectations of it as well when we have to down scope the minor project.

[2:04:32] The

[2:04:34] Voice 8: long-standing community request has been for a comprehensive review.

[2:04:39] We have been doing the smaller targeted reviews, not because that's

[2:04:46] Voice 8: what the community wanted

[2:04:47] Voice 8: and the LTC wanted, but because that's essentially what we've been offered.

[2:04:51] Voice 8: So I see this as an opportunity to take a comprehensive approach.

[2:04:56] Voice 8: I think the opportunities include improved communications and relationships with First

[2:05:02] Voice 8: nations um uh the opportunities include uh long-term planning that supports uh uh island's

[2:05:10] Voice 8: trust strategic goals and the preserve and protect mandate and um another opportunity is the planning

[2:05:21] Voice 8: to support long-term um socio-economic uh diversity in the community and the rural character

[2:05:33] Voice 7: as opportunities um out of this project another one it's great because what i i do think that

[2:05:43] Voice 7: leveraging the community knowledge the local knowledge at this point in time might be really

[2:05:49] Voice 7: important before the population changes actually so you have an aging population

[2:05:56] Voice 7: population if people have to move off island to get air or downsize you know there's an opportunity

[2:06:05] Voice 7: right now to get the knowledge that they have about um how however things sort of functions and

[2:06:14] Voice 7: access that community knowledge i think that is a a time in a period of time that we can get that

[2:06:21] Voice 7: before the population changes actually what trustee laroni mentioned is key you may have a

[2:06:30] Voice 7: change in demographics as people are able to work more and more remotely they may be able to buy up

[2:06:39] Voice 7: properties and they may not be islanders or people who are from the Gulf Islands so capturing that

[2:06:46] Voice 7: local knowledge before the population changes is probably a good idea that's a good point thank you

[2:06:54] Voice 7: for that chair okay so moving through the next section projected results and deliverables

[2:07:00] Voice 7: yes we agree i think i've heard that the new ocp and lab would address first nations concerns and

[2:07:06] Voice 7: interests um is there anything else that we can put in terms of benefits i think the marine and

[2:07:19] Voice 7: shoreline protection and maybe some you say their marine conservation designation management plan

[2:07:29] Voice 7: for lowering boys and access to the shoreline if that is a potential benefit or deliverable

[2:07:39] Voice 7: because being proactive about a management plan for more employees as we've seen in other local

[2:07:45] Voice 7: trust areas this really becomes an issue contentious issue if you don't have a management

[2:07:54] Voice 7: management plan. So I would personally add that in, just from my experience alone.

[2:08:00] Voice 7: I see one of the potential

[2:08:40] Voice 8: deliverables in regard to groundwater, freshwater work being

[2:08:50] Voice 8: added

[2:08:52] Voice 7: to clarity about potential for, where I guess, potential for jetsification and affordable

[2:09:04] Voice 7: of housing is appropriate anytime any one of those projects are looked at in the absence of that

[2:09:17] Voice 7: mapping that hopes whether it's

[2:09:20] Voice 8: a an individual or a non-profit community organization

[2:09:27] Voice 8: to undertake that kind of work um can be eliminated be limiting in terms of especially

[2:09:33] for example a

[2:09:34] Voice 8: non-profit organization trying to work on a housing initiative

[2:09:39] if there we have that's done that can be used to support a proposal i think that makes the

[2:09:52] Voice 8: attainability of a non-profit funded project much more likely than if they did it for example if a

[2:10:03] Voice 8: non-profit group has to invest what funds they might have in in doing that kind of research

[2:10:10] Voice 8: research work in the area may not be financially capable of doing that, and I know that in

[2:10:18] Voice 8: some communities the access to water has become such an issue in terms of the portable housing

[2:10:26] Voice 8: projects that it's effectively delayed some of the projects indefinitely.

[2:10:36] So

[2:10:37] Voice 8: I see that as I see the groundwater

[2:10:39] Voice 7: work specifically helping to support portable housing

[2:10:51] Voice 7: initiatives.

[2:10:52] Voice 7: It's directly related.

[2:10:53] Voice 7: Is that it for benefits?

[2:11:33] Voice 7: I think the risk assessment is pretty complete.

[2:11:36] Voice 7: I didn't see anything to add there.

[2:11:38] Voice 7: But project results deliverables and vouchers.

[2:11:44] Voice 7: I just, yeah, I think sometimes too, I didn't hear your question.

[2:11:51] Voice 7: some comments about the alternative section earlier as well

[2:11:54] Voice 6: um one was

[2:11:57] Voice 6: that some of these others result in adding staff work by resulting in many targeted projects

[2:12:05] Voice 6: and that often there's less consultation um so there's a benefit to a comprehensive review

[2:12:13] Voice 6: because you can see how how all the pieces fit

[2:12:16] Voice 7: together that was some of the comments earlier

[2:12:20] Voice 7: I would suggest with option two, it says, so alternatives considered, option two, see the specific priority aspects of these requests. I would refine that just a little bit to say something like specific priority aspects in the order in which, like, so that it makes sense to provide information for the future phases.

[2:13:07] Voice 7: you know you don't want to say so if you went with option two and you can't do the full project

[2:13:14] Voice 7: let's say you don't want to suddenly tackle housing unless you've done like groundwater

[2:13:23] Voice 7: availability studies first right so priority aspects i guess that's what's included priority

[2:13:28] Voice 7: aspects you would determine yeah maybe

[2:13:37] Voice 8: I might sound a little repetitive but in

[2:13:41] Voice 8: terms of the risks of option two is one that stands out to me is that as the

[2:13:50] Voice 8: targeted minor projects progress as we experience in November we had to reduce

[2:13:59] Voice 8: was still part way

[2:14:00] Voice 7: through and and i

[2:14:03] Voice 8: i see that as a risk in a minor project certainly the

[2:14:06] Voice 8: i think the community engagement and first nations

[2:14:12] Voice 7: engagement that's um that's uh proposed in phase

[2:14:16] one um that needs to be done

[2:14:21] Voice 8: and if we're in a minor project phase that means uh i mean just

[2:14:28] Voice 8: the just the first nations alone engagement would would require the funding for two minor projects

[2:14:37] Voice 8: so it one of the risks of going the minor project is not being able to not being able to do the

[2:14:44] Voice 8: first nations uh engagement and consultation um in one thing like in one project right if we're

[2:14:55] Voice 8: if we're scoping 8 000 and normally about five so it's it's like one and a half minor projects

[2:15:01] Voice 8: just the first patients engagement piece

[2:15:05] Voice 7: that's contemplated so i don't see any more is there any

[2:15:34] Voice 7: more safety that would would be helpful to follow this into okay rpm jamarat did you

[2:15:53] Voice 7: want to weigh back in on anything that you've heard or any

[2:15:56] Voice 7: additional clarification

[2:16:00] Voice 1: Thank you. Through the chair, I just turned my camera back on because I realized you wouldn't

[2:16:04] Voice 1: be able to know what I was looking at you. I believe there's been some great conversation to

[2:16:13] Voice 1: capture for the business case. One thought, and this may not drive any changes to the business

[2:16:23] Voice 1: case, I'm mindful as well that there's been a lot of great work that has occurred to produce a

[2:16:29] Voice 1: housing toolkit for the trust and trust wide so my thought was depending on um and i'll have to

[2:16:38] Voice 1: listen back to the comments about housing some of that could be better captured through a housing

[2:16:45] Voice 1: one of the housing toolkit opportunities or tools but i think for the purpose of this business case

[2:16:52] Voice 1: through the comprehensive review of the official community plan land use policy we really want to

[2:16:57] Voice 1: to make sure that those key what's important to the community for housing is captured in policy

[2:17:03] Voice 1: so that future steps using the housing toolkit can occur so I think that's something I'll take

[2:17:11] Voice 1: back with planner bow to make sure that the needs identified by the LTC for housing

[2:17:19] Voice 1: if they're best included and proposed through this business case to make sure we get those

[2:17:24] Voice 1: policies in place at this at the land use policy level um or if they're more specific that is

[2:17:33] Voice 1: already provided through the housing toolkit so that would be the only additional comment

[2:17:37] Voice 1: i would provide all

[2:18:00] Voice 7: right so we can move to some decision making i think um we have recommended

[2:18:06] Voice 7: some amendments to the business case and so the recommended motion at the top of page 26

[2:18:18] Voice 7: is that the ltc would approve the major project business case as amended so as discussed

[2:18:26] Voice 7: following on the discussion today is anybody here to move that motion

[2:18:33] Voice 7: ronnie you're up trustee 26 page

[2:18:46] Voice 4: 26 thank you i

[2:18:57] Voice 5: move that the lesquite island local trust

[2:18:59] Voice 5: committee approved the major project business case attached to the staff report dated july 15

[2:19:05] Voice 5: 2024 as amended second

[2:19:09] Voice 7: back moved and seconded any further discussion as the mover do you wish

[2:19:14] Voice 7: to speak to your motion nope all those in favor all right that is carried excellent

[2:19:25] Voice 7: Excellent. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to weigh in on this and work with you, staff.

[2:19:33] Voice 7: Thanks for bringing that forward. Tim, you've done good.

[2:19:38] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:19:39] Voice 8: well, thanks, everybody.

[2:19:45] Voice 7: It's not December.

[2:19:46] Voice 8: It's not December. We're heading the curve here on time and that's important.

[2:19:52] Voice 8: and no remains to be seen where whether we get approved on the other end but i think we've done

[2:19:58] Voice 7: uh we've done our homework and uh i appreciate it when it's uh work on this great okay so without

[2:20:10] Voice 7: further ado we will move into the rest of our agenda which is a series of reports 12.1 you have

[2:20:19] Voice 7: the trust conservancy report uh back and uh i will note not sure maybe i didn't mention it to this

[2:20:28] Voice 7: ltc but uh manager kate emmings is taking a lateral post in the province so yeah conservancy

[2:20:35] Voice 7: and so she is away for 15 months working for the bc data conservation software

[2:20:42] Voice 7: and Carolyn Stewart is joining us, or has joined the Conservancy. She's been there about a month now.

[2:20:50] Voice 7: She passed work

[2:20:51] Voice 7: for BC Parks, so it was at Parks Canada. Big Parks Canada.

[2:20:55] Voice 7: And has done a lot of work with First Nations and developing engagement with false definitions.

[2:21:01] Voice 7: So we welcomed Carolyn Stewart to the Conservancy and looking forward to working with you there.

[2:21:07] Voice 7: There's also the addition of the heroin, digitally reproduced, nothing in the applications report.

[2:21:15] Voice 7: 12.4, our trustee and local expense report, this should be hopefully not the cause of

[2:21:25] Voice 7: any more questions or consternation because we're in a new fiscal year and appropriate

[2:21:34] Voice 7: staffing and budget for minute taking is coming from the appropriate boxes so our budget and our

[2:21:41] Voice 7: expenses should be pretty much more in line than it was last year which caused some community

[2:21:49] Voice 7: members and myself to tear their hair out asking what was going on. You've got a list of your

[2:21:56] Voice 7: standing policies and standing resolutions and active projects report which we know as well as

[2:22:05] Voice 7: future projects report any discussion on these items or questions on the reports here okay

[2:22:21] Voice 7: so this

[2:22:25] Voice 8: is directly related to the cus application um staff have the application

[2:22:33] Voice 8: now i'm wondering if it's reasonable to contemplate uh a special meeting to consider

[2:22:43] that application and how we might

[2:22:45] Voice 8: look at the timelines that you sort of outlined and don't

[2:22:49] Voice 8: want us to i don't want us to i don't want us to be uh under the gun of being six months down

[2:22:57] Voice 8: the road and city west going you need to tell us now i think there needs to be some opportunity for

[2:23:03] Voice 8: community input um so because our next meeting is not until october 21st maybe

[2:23:16] Voice 8: i think it might be reasonable to look at a special meeting before that um

[2:23:24] Voice 8: because what i'm thinking about is um this is a resuming application there are

[2:23:34] Voice 8: sounds like there's three different areas that need um some like there's marine there's land

[2:23:41] there's a couple different areas i think we need to um make room for public engagement

[2:23:50] on on

[2:23:50] Voice 8: this decision um and so trying to be respectful of the west timeline

[2:23:58] Voice 8: line um i'm just wondering if yeah it's is it at all feasible um to or maybe maybe the question

[2:24:11] Voice 8: would be did this ask that to look in when we might be able to squeeze another meeting in before

[2:24:17] Voice 8: the october 21st meeting um just because i want to i want to not be under the time constraint at

[2:24:27] the end i don't

[2:24:28] Voice 8: want to see less people to be under attached to straight i don't want to ask

[2:24:32] Voice 8: the other person to make a snap decision i absolutely want the public to be able to weigh in

[2:24:36] Voice 8: on on the applications

[2:24:37] Voice 7: that

[2:24:45] Voice 6: is the option um that was that was that's open to the ltc which is to

[2:24:51] Voice 6: prioritize the application above your other work and and schedule a special meeting or potentially

[2:24:58] Voice 6: relate multiple special meetings to consider this application and have it faster than another west

[2:25:04] Voice 6: point so i i think that i heard the city west people say they can work with six months about

[2:25:13] 12 months would be problematic so

[2:25:15] Voice 8: you know better about the workflow than we do um so do you think

[2:25:24] Voice 8: it's a good idea to try and schedule one before the october meeting or do you think we have enough

[2:25:30] Voice 8: through in

[2:25:31] Voice 7: the fall like you know what your work schedule is like i know there's a lot of staff

[2:25:35] Voice 7: off in the summer but six months now is very 15. so you have

[2:25:57] Voice 6: we don't know what your schedule is

[2:25:59] Voice 6: for next year for january but uh you have an october meeting and a december meeting

[2:26:05] Voice 6: two ltc

[2:26:06] Voice 7: meetings this year okay and to consider the application so you can do a meeting

[2:26:12] Voice 7: If it were just those two meetings, this application would not be completed by that time, okay?

[2:26:20] Voice 7: You would need special meetings.

[2:26:22] I see our PM Dan has handled that as well.

[2:26:26] Voice 7: But definitely, it's an application that would take more than two meetings to consider.

[2:26:39] Voice 9: The Chair, I'm

[2:26:42] Voice 6: sorry, I just had another thought because you're speaking about public engagement as well.

[2:26:46] and the application will be consistent with the official community plan which allows the

[2:26:53] otc to waive or not waive but to not hold a public hearing it's not a requirement

[2:26:59] Voice 6: but it is an option

[2:27:01] Voice 6: and so that is some kind of efficiency or a way to move an application faster is if there's no

[2:27:08] Voice 6: public hearing but if there is maximum public engagement then that with that public hearing

[2:27:16] Voice 6: an opportunity that that may also add to the timeline

[2:27:21] Voice 7: to more things yeah

[2:27:27] Voice 8: i'd be loath to

[2:27:27] Voice 8: leave a public hearing so i guess based on what you've said i think my i've sort of changed my

[2:27:42] Voice 8: position a bit i think i think we can wait till the october meeting if we need to schedule some

[2:27:47] Voice 7: special meetings between october and january then you can do that that's probably a little less

[2:27:56] Voice 7: time constraints maybe some of those characterized well my main concern is i don't think people are

[2:28:04] Voice 7: ready to you know the application is in they're not ready to go for at least six months there's

[2:28:15] Voice 7: a long lead time is what she said so hearing the application earlier in october i don't think it's

[2:28:21] Voice 7: going to speed up the process but i think we should consider scheduling a community information

[2:28:27] Voice 7: meeting at the very least um maybe just ask staff to keep a surprise and if you think a community

[2:28:36] Voice 7: information meeting before october would be good they can do an rwm just get started i think this

[2:28:46] Voice 7: community does not like surprises and i'll

[2:28:51] Voice 7: just add that

[2:28:52] Voice 8: um the message we heard both from city

[2:28:55] Voice 8: west today and that when i talked to the folks from the morally developed initiative trust

[2:29:00] Voice 8: that in terms of a last mile funding project they want the demonstration of community support

[2:29:08] so i think that last mile funding is a critical success

[2:29:13] Voice 8: factor for the support of the community so

[2:29:17] Voice 8: however we approach getting that information for for the potential funders for last mile

[2:29:26] Voice 8: has to be some some kind of a community meeting so i think that those interests dovetail to me

[2:29:33] Voice 8: there so yeah thank

[2:29:38] Voice 7: you

[2:29:41] Voice 1: through the chair um i think that would be a great idea is what um

[2:29:48] Voice 1: staff is now aware um with due processing if there's an opportunity to bring the application

[2:29:54] Voice 1: to the LTC sooner than October or

[2:30:00] Voice 1: to have a CIM then perhaps a resolution without meeting would be the best route

[2:30:08] Voice 1: today it would be difficult to suggest that if we don't know the dates so I think for certainty

[2:30:13] Voice 1: with the community and the dates a resolution without meeting could could happen so we

[2:30:19] Voice 1: understand too and staff are always great at processing as efficiently as possible thank you

[2:30:31] Voice 7: with that understanding um you'll let me know if we need to issue an rwm when you think of

[2:30:37] Voice 7: community information it's a good idea to do that we're not going to do that today right

[2:30:46] Voice 7: is that what

[2:30:46] Voice 7: i understood from you from the party of general because we

[2:30:50] Voice 1: don't have a

[2:30:51] Voice 7: date so there's

[2:30:51] Voice 7: no point setting especially through

[2:30:54] Voice 1: the chair correct um it's best practice for us when we're

[2:30:59] Voice 1: suggesting a motion to have a date for those future meetings great

[2:31:04] Voice 7: in that case the next

[2:31:07] Voice 7: meeting the next regular meeting is scheduled for monday october 21st 2024 11 a.m here at this venue

[2:31:15] Voice 7: you to Fisher Center. If there's no further business, call for adjournments.

[2:31:23] Voice 7: No, we can't. All those in

[2:31:28] Voice 7: favor? Aye. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, staff online.