Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, August 22, 2024

[0:00:00] going there and so we should be making

[0:00:02] Voice 8: those kind of decisions with our eyes open and knowing this

[0:00:06] Voice 8: take responsibility for and to date we haven't dealt with it at all so uh so i think it's great

[0:00:12] that we uh we're here to be uh organizing that meeting and i think

[0:00:17] Voice 8: also further discussion

[0:00:19] Voice 8: both within the lcc but also more broadly and with you folks and others in the community

[0:00:25] Voice 8: about the pluses and minuses of different tools to more effectively manage this whole area because i

[0:00:35] Voice 8: can't think of another area i mean there are many but it's such a great example of something where

[0:00:42] Voice 8: in the community there are very uh split opinions and there are people who who wish there were no

[0:00:48] Voice 8: visitors and there were people who say their economy would collapse if there were no visitors

[0:00:54] and they both are making important points and I don't think we're

[0:00:59] Voice 8: yet we see LCC isn't actively

[0:01:02] Voice 8: wrestling with those challenges and I think we should. Yeah a question for Director Holman on

[0:01:10] Voice 8: that on the business licensing question. I know in my role as foreign balance chair

[0:01:17] Voice 8: R&B has been in in contact

[0:01:20] Voice 10: with the Comox regional valley there and Comox is looking at

[0:01:25] Voice 10: uh just initially starting a feasibility study to look at what what would business licensing look

[0:01:33] Voice 10: like for r b for short-term vacation rentals i wonder i'm not really clear where where the crd is

[0:01:40] on perhaps something like that which is not necessarily jumping and endorsing that but having

[0:01:45] having a good look at it and has something like that been done in recent times or is that feasible

[0:01:54] yeah uh

[0:01:54] Voice 7: well uh uh laura's request local trust committee's request they asked

[0:02:00] Voice 7: crd to have a look at it so i requested the report from staff so there's a public report

[0:02:05] Voice 7: made by staff to the electoral committee get you a copy of the report in fact there were two there

[0:02:11] Voice 7: was a subsequent report on the speculation of vacancy tax which the seery board has endorsed

[0:02:18] and I note down that letter that I got

[0:02:23] Voice 7: a copy of this morning, the trust is advocating for

[0:02:26] Voice 7: inclusion as well.

[0:02:27] That's good.

[0:02:28] At this point, and so the conclusion of staff, staff don't get to say no, it would be electoral

[0:02:37] area committee, and I was here before, that would agree to establish licensing.

[0:02:41] At this point, I'd like to see how the

[0:02:45] Voice 7: speculation of vacancy tax, what impact that has on the

[0:02:48] Voice 7: and also on I'd also like to explore Bill 35. Now the information that Laura just shared where

[0:02:56] Voice 7: licensing is required that's not my understanding of Bill 35 although it may be in relation to the

[0:03:04] Voice 7: data sharing let's get to the bottom of that but I don't see how those provincial pieces of

[0:03:11] Voice 7: legislation uh pan out before jumping into into business licensing in my view based on what i know

[0:03:20] Voice 7: now and i'm only speaking for myself i think bill 35 is the way to go where essentially the

[0:03:25] Voice 7: province will take over responsibility for uh enforcing short-term rental rules and the basic

[0:03:33] rule, the own occupation rule, as Laura pointed out, is similar, very similar, to the current

[0:03:40] rule in the OCP land use bylaw.

[0:03:44] Voice 7: So that's the direction I prefer to go.

[0:03:47] Voice 7: Security staff have done reports.

[0:03:50] Voice 7: Let's get down to it at the roundtable.

[0:03:52] Voice 7: I think it would be helpful, either at the roundtable and or if the policy group set

[0:03:58] Voice 7: up under the ocp to actually invite provincial rep to talk through some of the details so

[0:04:05] Voice 7: we're not just going around multiple reports in terms of uh what we understand the legislation

[0:04:11] Voice 7: to be let's have a provincial official sitting error with us so we can we can get the uh answers

[0:04:17] to those questions correctly all right well i was just going to quickly follow up with like a chair

[0:04:23] um when was that the report

[0:04:25] Voice 8: you're you're going to send which is there

[0:04:27] Voice 5: isn't the feasibility

[0:04:28] Voice 5: So we're bringing in a business license program, we have to do a feasibility study.

[0:04:33] There isn't a feasibility study of a staff report on

[0:04:35] Voice 5: a one-page report.

[0:04:37] Voice 10: So it wasn't a feasibility study.

[0:04:39] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[0:04:40] Voice 5: I encourage you for feasibility studies to look at Bowman Island.

[0:04:43] Voice 5: If you go to their business license, all their background and feasibility study work is done.

[0:04:48] Voice 5: And it's a good thing to read because it's an island-specific feasibility study.

[0:04:53] Voice 5: We'd have to do you'd have to do your own but it gives you a really good context of what they considered and thought of and went through just less than five years ago that they did this and it's all available on their website.

[0:05:06] Voice 5: I just encourage us from we're going to do the roundtable and work with industry, we need to go in with open ears open minds and listen and talk together to find the best solutions is all I'm encouraging for vacation rentals.

[0:05:18] Voice 5: that we need to be exploring all options and work closely and find the best options for going forward

[0:05:27] right yeah just one more thing um the process that gary

[0:05:34] Voice 8: referred to all preceded the establishment

[0:05:36] Voice 8: of the lcc so gary talked about the electoral areas committee and the senior board and he

[0:05:41] talked about his own personal opinions and how to go but what's absolutely all of that is the

[0:05:46] the organization that has uh authority over the economic development function and in my view if

[0:05:55] we ever contemplate creating a new island-wide service there should the electoral areas

[0:06:02] committee in the missouri board

[0:06:03] Voice 8: should be representing something that's discussed here

[0:06:06] Voice 8: on salisbury by salisbury first and that's what we were elected for so uh you know gary has

[0:06:15] Voice 8: has experience and knowledge about this and has a lot to bring to that discussion, but

[0:06:22] there are five elected representatives from the LCC and so I would suggest that discussion

[0:06:29] needs to happen and Gary's opinion and his experience and knowledge would be a really

[0:06:36] important part of that, but that's as far as I'm concerned, it's not the end of the

[0:06:41] the sort of may all completely share the opinion that gary just said

[0:06:46] Voice 8: that we haven't had the

[0:06:46] Voice 8: conversation as far as the business round table meeting goes stephen is that something we could

[0:06:53] Voice 8: coordinate um just to get the ball rolling and no

[0:06:59] Voice 4: cc could coordinate they will work with the

[0:07:00] Voice 4: staff but uh certainly trust and figure out the people that be involved and they can talk about

[0:07:04] Voice 4: setting up a meeting in a special meeting or an open meeting or workshop we can figure out

[0:07:09] Voice 4: the format we can discuss that amongst ourselves

[0:07:11] Voice 8: take

[0:07:12] Voice 4: that as an action let's

[0:07:14] Voice 8: see if we can get

[0:07:14] Voice 8: that going um we can talk about our one of our next meetings if we need to pass any formal motions

[0:07:19] Voice 8: on the subject this

[0:07:21] Voice 5: should be old records when the economic development commission organized it

[0:07:25] Voice 5: before there should be a report in records from uh i can't remember the okay i can find it here

[0:07:35] yeah when we talked about the round table we talked about the ocp group the lcc should have

[0:07:40] representation there they did that um we should be clear though that licensing is not a panacea

[0:07:50] for example victoria has licensing and recent uh work that they've done

[0:07:57] indicates that half of the short-term rentals offered in victoria which has a licensing system

[0:08:04] Voice 7: do not have licenses so it's not a panacea uh there's no it's a it it will require an increase

[0:08:13] Voice 7: in tax requisition and that's why before going into the details of the feasibility study this

[0:08:19] Voice 7: is my opinion the LCC wanted to spend money in a feasibility study I suppose I could do that

[0:08:25] Voice 7: but before going there I want to explore the ins and outs the devil of detail of bill 35

[0:08:32] And just the final point, business licensing for short-term rentals.

[0:08:39] Right now, short-term rentals, if they are not

[0:08:41] Voice 7: owner-occupied, are not allowed, as I understand it.

[0:08:45] Voice 7: Am I correct there?

[0:08:47] Voice 7: So if we're talking licensing, we're also talking about allowing short-term rentals that are not owner-occupied.

[0:08:55] Voice 7: so we should be clear about that because right now owner-occupied B&Bs are perfectly legal and

[0:09:02] Voice 7: would be legal under 35. My understanding of the licensing that's being suggested by

[0:09:08] Voice 7: Trustee Patrick and I may be wrong here is that we're talking about legalizing short-term rentals

[0:09:15] Voice 7: that would not necessarily be owner-occupied and that's a that's a key policy jump now it'll come

[0:09:21] Voice 7: up under the ocp discussion more

[0:09:24] Voice 5: than brian i want to be clear i'm not suggesting anything i'm

[0:09:26] Voice 5: suggesting we open and go into a conversation with industry with an open mind to find whatever the

[0:09:31] Voice 5: best best solutions are for salisbury i don't know what those are that's all i

[0:09:37] Voice 8: just need to

[0:09:38] Voice 8: point out there's an accommodation on salt spring right now that is 100 legal and compliant with

[0:09:44] Voice 8: the zoning bylaws it's not owner occupying other houses one example of many so it it's not uh

[0:09:53] if we did it all of a

[0:09:54] Voice 8: sudden we would be creating this whole new category that

[0:10:00] Voice 8: the land use regulations still determine what zones you can do what creating business licensing

[0:10:08] which i'm not advocating for i'm just advocating for the conversation um is um you know completely

[0:10:16] distinct from

[0:10:17] Voice 8: the land use regulatory decisions in terms of what can happen in particular zones

[0:10:25] Voice 7: chair i'm referring to the residential housing stock yes of course there are commercial solutions

[0:10:29] Voice 7: yeah and i would just say that um my perspective is that something like business licensing

[0:10:37] say is uh a tool uh it and and when you look at feasibility um it's simply to see is this is this

[0:10:46] tool useful in this circumstance

[0:10:48] Voice 10: and uh and so that's that's my perspective is that uh before

[0:10:54] Voice 10: saying we don't want this tool on the toolbox understand how it may or may not be useful in

[0:10:58] Voice 10: the situation that's all right

[0:11:04] Voice 8: before we move on i don't want to overlook the mention of getting

[0:11:08] Voice 8: getting data access.

[0:11:10] Voice 8: And would it be helpful if we were to join up

[0:11:14] Voice 8: and do a joint request from both bodies to the province

[0:11:19] Voice 8: without giving us any additional likelihood

[0:11:22] Voice 8: of getting the information?

[0:11:24] So can we coordinate doing that?

[0:11:26] I would suggest, I can't really speak for the manager

[0:11:30] of by-law enforcement at Island Trust,

[0:11:32] but I did mention that I do know that it is a point

[0:11:35] of consternation that we don't have access to that data.

[0:11:38] so anything we can do to gain access to that data and ensure that we're we're doing our little best

[0:11:43] and providing consistent messages certainly

[0:11:47] Voice 9: couldn't hurt certainly great gail and laura

[0:11:50] Voice 9: and

[0:11:51] Voice 3: laura at one point you mentioned to me just kind of off the cuff that if you could get access

[0:11:55] Voice 3: to crd building information now again that's not one of our services but i don't know whether that's

[0:12:01] Voice 3: a problem too or is it mostly a provincial information problem this

[0:12:07] Voice 5: is just a new registry

[0:12:08] Voice 5: that the province has established so that data sharing was what it was called um but i know uh

[0:12:18] Voice 5: my uh i know i did ask the director of planning has made a request to the province for this

[0:12:25] Voice 5: information so we're waiting to hear if he's been answered to on that and then my intent was to

[0:12:29] Voice 5: bring a trust council resolution in september to make a real tough request for that because that's

[0:12:37] Voice 5: all of our islands across the island but i think we can find a way to join as well from those

[0:12:42] Voice 5: salt spring local press committee with you um the more that we ask the more we might get it

[0:12:47] Voice 3: and i think i

[0:12:48] Voice 3: misspoke i actually thought i'm probably talking about complete communities

[0:13:01] Voice 6: I'm curious, Gary, are you suggesting that if we were to have a business licensing program

[0:13:07] Voice 6: that licensed short-term vacation rentals, that those businesses could find themselves

[0:13:12] Voice 6: outside of the sort of effect of Bill 35?

[0:13:16] Voice 6: Like, could we, or are you, I'm just curious if that's what you're suggesting.

[0:13:21] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:13:25] Voice 7: look, bottom line, I agree with everybody. We need to get together and talk about the

[0:13:29] Voice 7: depth and the detail. I'm expressing my view based on what I know about what's your staff

[0:13:34] Voice 7: told me now. I'm absolutely happy to engage in the roundtable, engage in the OCP discussion.

[0:13:40] Voice 7: Let's really understand what Bill 35 means. Let's understand what the data sharing obstacle

[0:13:48] What I was suggesting was that if you are licensing short-term rentals that are

[0:13:58] Voice 7: different

[0:13:59] Voice 7: from B&Bs, which are essentially legal now, like owner-occupied vacation rentals are legal

[0:14:07] Voice 7: now.

[0:14:08] Voice 7: So I'm suggesting if we're talking about short-term rentals that's different from that, that you

[0:14:14] Voice 7: license uh we we are talking about legalizing an activity in the residential housing stock that is

[0:14:22] Voice 7: not allowed now under our planning schools right

[0:14:28] Voice 8: any other comments or questions on the matter

[0:14:32] Voice 8: go forward um just to wrap up i would i'd like to note that um it looks like um the accommodation

[0:14:40] Voice 8: round table is going to be something we want to do and i think our staff will take the initial

[0:14:45] Voice 8: steps and putting something together so we can do that. It looks like the request for access to data

[0:14:52] Voice 8: on Bill 35 is something that the trust has already started, but something we're very willing to chime

[0:14:59] Voice 8: in on and lend as much support as we can, because I think we all agree that we need to have good

[0:15:05] Voice 8: data to work with here. And so if you could let us know when and how we could be most effective

[0:15:11] Voice 8: And adding whatever strength we can to that request. I think that'd be great.

[0:15:16] Voice 8: All right. Next item on our agenda is to talk about Ganges Village Planning.

[0:15:25] Voice 8: And we said there was once a group that involved multiple agencies or organizations.

[0:15:32] So, a big one of the 21.2 of a Ganges Village exercise that got to an engagement report.

[0:15:49] However, since that phase two has been sort of tied in with this OCPOD project, you know,

[0:15:57] As we've tried to bring those two projects together and forward, we've realized that they really would just do better in one project.

[0:16:05] Voice 8: To the point that recently, at a previous July LTC meeting, LTC resolved to dip the budget from the Dandies to the village planning process,

[0:16:15] as well as specific terms and important aspects of that project, and incorporate it into the OCPLAB.

[0:16:21] So this is what we'll be going forward with if you're on.

[0:16:26] on. So at this point, Ganges is kind of wrapped up into the OCPLE from a Ganges village planning

[0:16:33] exercise. And so all that conversation we had about servicing nearly, it's just, you know,

[0:16:39] magnified when it comes to Ganges, of course, right. And that's what we will be really focusing

[0:16:44] on. But one of the main villages on that

[0:16:48] Voice 8: project. So I, I think I hear you saying that Ganges

[0:16:56] Voice 8: these planning for the time being is subsumed into the ocp review at this point and um if any

[0:17:06] Voice 8: broader aspects that we have an interest in we might have such as trans active transportation

[0:17:13] Voice 8: potential for harbor management um those sorts of things might might or might not fit in at this

[0:17:19] Voice 8: point i think they certainly would fit those aspects so we're again talking about um getting

[0:17:27] getting housing built and services are really kind of the starting point of the assessment.

[0:17:37] It's likely the point that you know, developing new villages is likely the place to be, not

[0:17:43] greenfield development.

[0:17:44] It doesn't quite go with the mandate

[0:17:46] Voice 8: of the trust in any case.

[0:17:48] Voice 8: So but again, you know, we can't build housing without services and if there is a need for

[0:17:54] more additional housing and that housing is intended to go in growth areas certainly with

[0:17:58] housing income services so we integrated in that project plan that we'll be sharing with you all

[0:18:07] we've integrated a number of CRD studies that exist today we've also identified a number on

[0:18:13] the horizon a couple that are not complete this time I know that we took a live to the CRD

[0:18:19] super project um at some point is um moving forward so those are the kind of things we're

[0:18:24] looking for where how they can go um and that's that's part of the conversation so any additional

[0:18:31] work any policy change until that ocp is adopted and you know there are substantial plans that

[0:18:37] cod is adopting around master plans around key services i think it really behooves us to look

[0:18:43] at our ocp and look at these bylaws and see how how those two things will you know respond to

[0:18:48] each other i hope that part of this this these two tables coming together is that we're working more

[0:18:53] in sync with each other brian yeah so i agree completely with what you just said um

[0:19:01] Voice 8: in addition

[0:19:02] Voice 8: to the services that have been mentioned uh we hold some of the key properties in ganges whether

[0:19:09] you're going to centennial park or the department of arboretum or whether you're

[0:19:16] Voice 8: docking with the

[0:19:17] Voice 8: The fire hall site with the Dark New Blood Earth Spring and much of the land around it,

[0:19:25] and some of those master

[0:19:34] Voice 8: plans in place, Centennial Park does, the Rainbow Road site,

[0:19:39] Voice 8: which is also on the edge of the Ganges Corp, has a master plan.

[0:19:43] Voice 8: Others were contemplating developing master plans, Mullet Park being a prime example of that.

[0:19:50] Voice 8: and the fireball site which will be in our hands in a matter of months is a key one as well where

[0:19:57] you know that came in to our hands with some fairly strong ideas

[0:20:03] Voice 8: of future use but no final

[0:20:07] Voice 8: decisions have been made no funding allocations and obviously key to discussion around the future

[0:20:15] of Ganges is all of those properties, and as Earl mentioned, the active transportation,

[0:20:21] the Ganges active transportation network plan that we've had for about a year now

[0:20:28] is all about active transportation, cycling, pedestrian access for people with mobility

[0:20:36] impairments, etc., all in the course of very

[0:20:39] Voice 8: central to decisions that may be made

[0:20:44] particularly the involvement and densification of Ganges.

[0:20:48] So I don't think I'm just speaking for myself

[0:20:51] and saying that we have a very strong interest

[0:20:55] in the discussions in particular, I

[0:20:58] Voice 8: mean overall,

[0:20:59] Voice 8: but in particular around Ganges

[0:21:01] Voice 8: because there are exciting opportunities

[0:21:05] Voice 8: as well as some really significant challenges

[0:21:07] Voice 8: that we face in Ganges

[0:21:10] Voice 8: that will play a really critical role in determining whether we are doing a few years from now

[0:21:18] Voice 8: a better job in terms of juggling the priorities, especially the Halloween crunch, or as bad

[0:21:27] or worse job than it

[0:21:28] Voice 8: has been done in the past.

[0:21:29] Voice 8: I'm not saying that it's been terrible, but there's everybody who has really seen the

[0:21:35] Voice 8: challenges.

[0:21:36] Voice 8: Laura?

[0:21:38] Voice 5: We're just starting.

[0:21:39] Voice 5: i think this ocp project has an opportunity to help us get organized in some ways yeah we're

[0:21:45] Voice 5: going to have to make choices uh we would like to do this update within this term so we've got a

[0:21:51] Voice 5: tight timeline we're going to have to make some choices we're going to set some things aside and

[0:21:55] Voice 5: say we're not doing that right now we want to focus on this to get it through the ocp so we've

[0:22:00] Voice 5: been talking about what comes comes next we could we're going to have we can do our housing action

[0:22:04] Voice 5: plan because we're going to allow things that we're going to identify that we're going to

[0:22:07] Voice 5: choose not to get involved in right now or it's going to take more time um that we're going to

[0:22:11] Voice 5: identify as things we could do next or to try to organize that into a like a housing action plan

[0:22:17] Voice 5: of some sorts do the same servicing and other things that as you know we're going to we're

[0:22:23] Voice 5: going to identify some things and opportunities and the so this is this is the next thing we want

[0:22:28] Voice 5: to do how we work i think really work together going forward as to what the future projects

[0:22:33] Voice 5: look like. I think there's a lot of opportunity for the LTC and the LCC to sort of package this

[0:22:40] Voice 5: work into something that's logical and fits both of our priorities so that we're kind of

[0:22:46] Voice 5: prioritizing our work.

[0:22:50] Voice 8: It sounds like we've got the OCP review that's already underway of course

[0:22:56] Voice 8: so we could have some significant feedback into that process but it's not a complete OCP rewrite

[0:23:04] Voice 8: right by any means. So it's really focused on housing and

[0:23:08] Voice 8: some other key areas. And so if we end up finding that Ganges

[0:23:13] Voice 8: village planning is somewhat outside, not entirely outside

[0:23:18] Voice 8: of George, but isn't entirely or we can't deal with it in its

[0:23:23] Voice 8: entirety, because it's simply too much for the timeframe

[0:23:25] Voice 8: allowed. Are there some provisions that we might make

[0:23:29] Voice 8: amongst the two bodies where we can work on ganji village planning now on things that might be

[0:23:38] outside of the current scope of the ocp review and still work in a coordinated fashion so we could

[0:23:44] have a steps forward forward on our integrated village planning along

[0:23:50] Voice 8: housing as important as

[0:23:52] Voice 8: housing is i'm not sure what that would look like but but and i but i hear what you're saying that

[0:24:03] Voice 8: you know there's a process in place it's focused on housing which is our number one priority

[0:24:08] Voice 8: but that may not allow time or resources to address some of these other things like

[0:24:14] Voice 8: transportation um but rather than set that aside for the next few years or until the next term

[0:24:22] what things can we reasonably do to start working on those things chris so um as the ocp advances

[0:24:31] we will work like at some point we get into talking about land use designations when it

[0:24:37] comes to Gantt use it's a lot more granular and you know than other parts of the island

[0:24:44] so again when it comes to servicing the first step we're doing is trying to figure out you

[0:24:49] know how many people are there now how many are there in the future and then the third step is

[0:24:54] like part of that understanding how many people are there in the future as we're engaging with

[0:24:59] with LCC as we talked about earlier today having a good understanding of what your capacities limits

[0:25:05] are is going to be a big part of the conversation we have in the service providers you know what

[0:25:12] what do you service why put a visionary document in the community if we can't do it well that's

[0:25:18] that's part of the conversation that's probably the priority is to make sure we have a good clear

[0:25:22] clear idea of what is and isn't possible,

[0:25:24] Voice 8: maximizing the

[0:25:26] Voice 8: efficiency of those services as well. Because, you know, you can

[0:25:31] Voice 8: service anything, but not in a great environment. So beyond

[0:25:37] that, you're getting into a place like Angie, I think we

[0:25:40] all understand it's a special place, and that's why we want to

[0:25:42] plan for it and why we want to make sure. So providing a

[0:25:47] healthy, livable, populated space is going to be important.

[0:25:51] So beyond the immediate of meeting, you know, capacities from there, you sort of put, what are the, what are the ways that you revitalize that area?

[0:26:00] I'm sure if I thought that would be

[0:26:03] Voice 8: my humble suggestions to you, whereas here you may want to look alongside me, you know, and with and alongside Gail.

[0:26:15] Voice 3: You know, I think I, I know I share Brian's concerns.

[0:26:18] Voice 3: We're going to start talking about the fire hall really, really soon.

[0:26:21] Voice 3: And we're going to be doing it in not in a complete context, we're going to be doing

[0:26:28] Voice 3: things and I don't know how we can work closely with you so that what we're doing in the next

[0:26:35] Voice 3: month, three months or four months cannot be a problem for the OCP, can work with it.

[0:26:42] Voice 3: And so I think, you know, we need to talk about some of the conversations that are coming

[0:26:46] Voice 3: that up with lcc that have a major impact on amgs and housing and how we can maybe not even wait for

[0:26:53] Voice 3: this ocp process but figure out a structure so that some of the decisions we have to make

[0:26:59] Voice 3: can be made so i am not quite sure i know i'm always criticized for trying to get going but

[0:27:05] Voice 3: i think we do need to do it so we're not in the vacuum well

[0:27:13] Voice 8: i can't say enough in working with

[0:27:15] Voice 8: OCPs by referring to elected officials is to some extent OCPs are not a panacea they don't

[0:27:23] Voice 8: they don't have this pervasive impact they do have a big impact but they do but they are visionary

[0:27:29] Voice 8: documents we seek to sort of they're the guidance for decision making tool for guiding decision

[0:27:34] making but there's some obligation that land use authorities

[0:27:39] Voice 8: have when it comes to that but when it

[0:27:42] Voice 8: comes to the work you're doing before so until the new ocp is adopted the ocp of today is the bylaw

[0:27:48] and that's how our lbc is is to support the plan that they're there to follow so um ocp is

[0:27:57] positively or negatively

[0:27:57] Voice 8: will only affect the future so if you want to get something done

[0:28:00] Voice 8: sooner do it sooner um but i

[0:28:04] Voice 3: guess the follow-up is um how can we work closely with you in this

[0:28:09] Voice 3: process while you're focusing on a very important but a long-term document and we're moving forward

[0:28:15] Voice 3: doing certain things that do have an impact so you

[0:28:19] Voice 1: know i guess

[0:28:19] Voice 3: i'm looking for a structure and how

[0:28:21] Voice 3: we can be working together even while we're awaiting this important document

[0:28:26] Voice 5: well i mean

[0:28:28] Voice 5: you brought up revitalization planning an interesting thing we started this project

[0:28:33] Voice 5: project in a broader way revitalization economic development there are probably two things and

[0:28:44] Voice 5: there are grant funds and think a lot of you look out at lots of these little villages up and down

[0:28:49] Voice 5: uh Vancouver Island have done revitalization planning on how to how to make their towns more

[0:28:55] Voice 5: vibrant what's missing and all of that so I think it's what is the what is the planning tool that

[0:29:02] Voice 5: we need to be looking at. What is our question? What are the questions we're looking at for the

[0:29:10] Voice 5: revitalization of two older structures? And how do we do that? I think it's,

[0:29:16] Voice 5: we will have to work together. What is the tool? Who's the lead? And what are the questions that

[0:29:24] Voice 5: we're asking? So I think those are interesting questions. What does Ganges need and who leads

[0:29:29] Voice 5: that conversation in

[0:29:35] Voice 6: the south yeah go ahead we have a capital plan by your capital plan that

[0:29:39] Voice 6: identifies the things we plan to do i think like surely we'll add a few things to that in the next

[0:29:44] Voice 6: two and a half years but we can look at our capital plan and say what if these things fall

[0:29:49] Voice 6: outside of or are challenged by the current ocp and what things are permitted and those

[0:29:54] things are permitted or supported i don't think there's a lot of reason to think that

[0:30:00] that

[0:30:00] Voice 6: the lgc would have a you know obstructive role to play if there's smooth sailing ahead

[0:30:06] Voice 6: through the ocp and the land use bylaw and like i'm sort of for me we have a fiber capital plan

[0:30:13] Voice 6: that's tells us what we plan to do so

[0:30:17] Voice 5: the other opportunity i mean we're going to be doing a lot

[0:30:20] Voice 5: of public engagement in this process and we've set equitable public engagement as the for the

[0:30:25] Voice 5: the bar just because it wasn't set at my bar to achieve and there's lots of opportunity to work

[0:30:31] Voice 5: to yes that we don't fatigue the community for one thing if you're going to go out there and

[0:30:35] Voice 5: ask them what do you think you want to do with a fireball i mean i think there's opportunities

[0:30:38] Voice 5: to work together in our public engagement and package some of our questions of the community

[0:30:44] Voice 5: so that we're making logical sense and not sounding like a left and right hander asking

[0:30:50] Voice 5: asking very different things so I think there's I think we do need to work together and uh you know

[0:30:56] Voice 5: give you as soon as we like I said right now we're just planning once we have a consultant here and

[0:31:01] Voice 5: start planning that stuff I think we can really look and sit down and look at the kind of

[0:31:06] Voice 5: engagement that's being planned how can it benefit you we time some of these questions together

[0:31:11] Voice 5: because they're not really that different well we're talking about the energy is very whole if

[0:31:21] If we repurpose it, we have to seek, if our capital plan requires a change in some particular

[0:31:31] project that we have to come to the

[0:31:34] Voice 7: trust and what we decided to do with the Ganges

[0:31:39] Voice 7: Firehole, which is subject to feasibility of work, because if you repurpose that building,

[0:31:44] Voice 7: you trigger the building code and when we acquired the property, staff warned us of

[0:31:50] Voice 7: of that, that you were acquiring a facility that if you trigger the building code, depending

[0:31:59] on what you want to do with it, could be

[0:32:02] Voice 7: expensive in order to meet those standards, but also

[0:32:04] Voice 7: repurposing if it involves a change in the land use, then we have to come to the trust.

[0:32:10] Voice 7: My personal view with the fire hall, again, is my personal view is I think that we've

[0:32:15] Voice 7: got some due diligence to do with the council feasibility but also public consultation about

[0:32:20] Voice 7: what to do with the building as brian indicated there was uh about the fire district uh

[0:32:28] an advisory committee around the genji's fireball property where were you i chaired it

[0:32:35] i thought i remembered you being there um in any case uh

[0:32:39] Voice 7: and and what came out of that was

[0:32:42] Voice 7: a recommendation to repurpose for a year-round market which would be wonderful but even that may

[0:32:48] Voice 7: require a substantial renovation to meet building code requirements and it may require resuming so

[0:32:56] Voice 7: where the capital plan requires a land use change then we can trust and request that change

[0:33:04] Voice 7: change um and i think it's uh it's on us to do the due diligence on it do some public consultation

[0:33:12] Voice 7: before we decide it's a property that we own what we'd like to do with it and if a land use change

[0:33:18] is required and we

[0:33:19] Voice 7: approach the trust but of that public consultation presumably would form part of

[0:33:24] Voice 7: the trust's decision making about whether to approve this only or not just the other question

[0:33:29] Voice 7: I just want to clarify. I mentioned Fulford before. Will Fulford Village be

[0:33:37] Voice 7: considered at any level as part of the OCP process? We talk about the focus on villages,

[0:33:45] Voice 7: which is an appropriate focus, and there's a lot of policies in the OCP that talk about

[0:33:52] Voice 7: contact settlements complete communities there are a lot of supportive policies as there should be

[0:34:00] but

[0:34:01] Voice 7: the that doesn't necessarily have to be totally focused on Ganges. Holford is another

[0:34:07] Voice 7: village which doesn't have the array of services that Ganges has but it certainly has the

[0:34:12] Voice 7: pretty fulsome array of services. Will Holford village be considered as part of the OCP process?

[0:34:21] Voice 7: process.

[0:34:22] Voice 5: Nothing's off limits at this time. It's the big funnel right now. Everything's

[0:34:29] Voice 5: going to go in and we will have to narrow down and make our choices as we go through.

[0:34:33] Voice 5: But nothing's off limits.

[0:34:36] Voice 3: I guess I'm still struggling with how we can work together even

[0:34:42] Voice 3: better than we are and not have these potential silos where we want some zoning change and we're

[0:34:47] Voice 3: kind of in the queue and not knowing how to get there, whatever. But it occurs to me that we've

[0:34:53] Voice 3: already got gary and earl are at your meetings you meet frequently with them we get a lot of

[0:34:59] Voice 3: information about islands trust and how that relates to lcc correct and so i just wanted to

[0:35:04] Voice 3: make sure that that same information goes the other way and that we have monthly constant

[0:35:09] Voice 3: meetings with earl and laura where we really do try to smooth the way so that we're not working

[0:35:15] Voice 3: in separate and i think i'm correct in that and i think that may be our answer so i'll be quiet

[0:35:24] Voice 5: well i think there's a as as like i said as our right now we've got in terms of reference which

[0:35:30] Voice 5: we're sharing with you that's going to be turning into a consultant's work you know there's going

[0:35:33] Voice 5: to be more and more detail coming and i think the more our stuff share with your staff and

[0:35:37] Voice 5: the opportunities to you know coordinate the work and i think that we should always be doing that

[0:35:44] Voice 5: it's like because we don't want to we don't want to look funny when you we go out and ask the

[0:35:48] Voice 5: public something and you go out and ask the public something it sounds like we're asking

[0:35:52] Voice 5: them opposite things you know so

[0:35:54] Voice 5: you want to coordinate how we work together and benefit

[0:35:57] Voice 5: from what we're asking the public that's all the time yes

[0:36:02] Voice 8: i could also offer that this this

[0:36:05] Voice 8: meeting here like the ongoing discussion about these projects it does reveal a lot of subtlety

[0:36:11] that we pick up so it's helpful to have these meetings um definitely encourage the community

[0:36:17] to do this during this time to shoot your major projects it's a pretty informative period for

[0:36:23] both the lcc and for us as we work on this

[0:36:26] Voice 8: as a cpi update that sounds like in so far as

[0:36:34] Voice 8: kenji's village planning is concerned as the fellow fills up we may find at a later point

[0:36:39] Voice 8: that there are some aspects of planning for the village

[0:36:43] Voice 8: that just simply aren't fitting

[0:36:44] Voice 8: into the process at this point.

[0:36:46] Voice 8: And at that point, we can regroup and figure out

[0:36:51] Voice 8: maybe we need to have a different method

[0:36:53] Voice 8: of addressing those issues alongside the OCP

[0:36:56] Voice 8: because they're not really part of the OCP

[0:36:58] Voice 8: and but they're important for us to keep working on.

[0:37:03] Voice 8: It may be more peripheral to the trust concerns,

[0:37:07] Voice 8: But in terms of provision of services and quality of life in the village they end up being important for us.

[0:37:15] Voice 8: So things will develop. Any other comments on Gange's village planning?

[0:37:21] So Gary wanted to get around villages.

[0:37:24] Voice 7: There is another proposed substantial which is which, of course, is impacted significantly by the water moratorium.

[0:37:38] Voice 7: Although, as I understand, North Salisbury has agreed to supply water to the village, which has about 120 densities.

[0:37:46] Voice 7: And that village, I'm saying zoning to prove there's been a permanent place in the villages, not just housing, but there's commercial space there as well.

[0:37:59] Does the trust, I realize this could be a sensitive question.

[0:38:03] I

[0:38:03] Voice 7: don't want to ask you to reveal any secrets or anything, but would Channel Ridge be part

[0:38:09] of the discussions at all, like even a side conversation with ONI, current ONI?

[0:38:17] I wouldn't comment on whether we have a side conversation with ONI, but the community engagement

[0:38:21] program

[0:38:22] Voice 8: and the scope of the OCP does cover the entirety of the local trust area.

[0:38:26] Voice 8: So that is certainly a possibility, the conversation of Channel Ridge and what the future holds

[0:38:33] there is very much up in the air right now hopefully as we get to the end of this project

[0:38:38] certainly one way or another it's on the map so uh it's addressed i can't really i can't really

[0:38:44] predetermine the outcome of any of this but it's really um

[0:38:46] Voice 10: a key site all right moving

[0:38:54] Voice 8: on the next

[0:38:54] Voice 8: item on the agenda is housing i don't want to suggest that's a lower priority and moving it

[0:39:02] Voice 8: to be on more time to talk about it um priority issue obviously for the trust with um the main

[0:39:11] Voice 8: focus of your cpu revision and we've already declared multiple times it's the first priority

[0:39:18] Voice 8: and our biggest concern to the lcc at this point and so i think we'd like to talk about ways that

[0:39:24] Voice 8: we can better work together and certainly avoid working across purposes on housing right yes um

[0:39:32] Voice 8: I agree. Particularly given that the LCC has identified housing as it's housing for working people and their families as the top economic sustainability issue for us.

[0:39:53] us. And I mean,

[0:39:57] Voice 8: yes, it's not a secret that we have been working

[0:40:02] Voice 8: on strategic planning, although we haven't yet begun consulting

[0:40:08] Voice 8: with the community about that is imminent. And it's not complete

[0:40:15] Voice 8: coincidence that our last meeting passed a motion relating

[0:40:21] Voice 8: relating to housing and specifically calling for a meeting

[0:40:25] Voice 8: with four experts, one of whom is sitting in the room

[0:40:29] Voice 8: to discuss the next steps toward development

[0:40:34] Voice 8: of an integrated housing strategy.

[0:40:37] Voice 8: And so in addition, we're just kind of waving the flag

[0:40:40] Voice 8: the importance of this issue to the LCC.

[0:40:44] I think it's particularly important

[0:40:46] because I heard Laura mention term housing action plan

[0:40:50] And we're talking about the term integrated housing strategy

[0:40:55] Voice 8: and there's been strong sentiment in our group of the urgency of moving from conversation to whatever additional actions are required in advance of waiting for very long-term processes, even a couple of years process like the OCP one.

[0:41:18] Voice 8: um so i guess the the question or just the thing i want on the table at this point is just

[0:41:29] maybe some brief discussion about how best can make sure we're working together really

[0:41:35] productively because housing

[0:41:38] Voice 8: in addition to being such a huge huge issue for almost everybody in

[0:41:43] Voice 8: the community is also one that's front and center for the work that you always has been but even more

[0:41:50] Voice 8: currently right now with the the ocp review having a focus particularly on housing

[0:41:56] Voice 8: and for us likewise as a relatively new uh elected body which from day one of the election campaign

[0:42:08] Voice 8: I can say as a participant in it,

[0:42:10] Voice 8: housing, housing, housing was front and center,

[0:42:15] Voice 8: was the whole way through the campaign

[0:42:17] Voice 8: and has been something we've been talking about,

[0:42:19] Voice 8: in some cases, struggling with a little bit

[0:42:22] Voice 8: through our first year.

[0:42:24] Voice 8: But here we are in a position

[0:42:26] Voice 8: to be having more discussions about it

[0:42:30] Voice 8: and actually trying to move forward

[0:42:32] Voice 8: with some specific actions that we can participate in.

[0:42:35] Voice 8: and work on the integrated housing strategy being part of that.

[0:42:45] Voice 8: So maybe I can just leave that to see if others have thoughts.

[0:42:51] Voice 8: Maybe there's more that I'd like to talk about briefly

[0:42:54] Voice 8: because I've been bouncing around to various people

[0:42:58] Voice 8: an idea around a working, ongoing working group.

[0:43:04] but I think maybe the just the general topic of how we can best work together productively on

[0:43:10] housing. Yes so just a housing action plan is actually

[0:43:15] Voice 8: a specific

[0:43:17] Voice 10: prerequisite for some

[0:43:18] Voice 8: granting opportunities including the federal housing accelerator fund. Earl and Gary I know

[0:43:28] Voice 8: got the letter from the local trust committee to the provincial housing minister I think that

[0:43:34] Voice 10: lays out some of what the local trust committees and staff has identified as some of the gaps that

[0:43:41] Voice 10: we see in terms of what the the province has stated intentions um with with their housing

[0:43:48] Voice 10: programs and where um islands trust in in a general way but salt spring in a really specific

[0:43:55] Voice 10: way is is following

[0:43:59] Voice 8: through the cracks and

[0:44:00] Voice 8: and how we're essentially saying to the province like

[0:44:04] okay if you're not going to include us in this and you're going to include this

[0:44:08] what are you going to do um salt spring has housing problems so just because we're not

[0:44:14] fitting

[0:44:14] Voice 10: in these boxes that you're setting up you know essentially what are you what are you

[0:44:20] Voice 10: going to do how are you going to address the issues here so um and just make sure

[0:44:26] feel free to pass pass it on to all the commissioners because

[0:44:31] that there i think there's some really good points that are relevant um also i mean as we're talking

[0:44:37] about ubcm um uh

[0:44:39] Voice 10: going to ubcm yesterday and i shared some of those those points that are

[0:44:44] Voice 10: um contained in the letter that they're they're actually it's it's due with all of the island

[0:44:49] Voice 10: stress because we're not a municipality we're not a regional district the province is taking

[0:44:55] Voice 10: all this action and i would stress has been left out of all of it and it has to be addressed in

[0:45:01] Voice 10: some way so that's one of the things that certainly is stuck in my craw and uh and i would

[0:45:08] Voice 10: say that probably the whole whole ltc i think i could i could feel okay about speaking for all of

[0:45:14] Voice 10: us that we're we're not delighted the way the province has said she set up their all a whole

[0:45:20] Voice 10: bunch of recent housing legislation that is excluded um all of the islands trust problematic

[0:45:27] Voice 10: problematic gary uh as brian mentioned the ltc uh passed the motion at its last meeting uh to

[0:45:40] have a meeting of some so-called experts

[0:45:43] pardon you say the ltc

[0:45:48] I think we're going to go over as well as

[0:45:54] Am I right on that?

[0:45:59] And let's just say,

[0:46:01] Justin Stark,

[0:46:05] Voice 7: Janice Gauthier,

[0:46:06] Voice 7: housing consultant to get into the detail.

[0:46:09] Voice 7: And I think we can talk more specifically there about next steps.

[0:46:14] Voice 7: There are a number of things actually on the CRD side that in my view are relatively new.

[0:46:25] Voice 7: The housing now program, the home share program, which was initiated in the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:46:31] Voice 7: now operating here.

[0:46:32] Voice 7: The LCC has provided them some funding.

[0:46:34] Voice 7: There's the rural housing program proposal through the CRD, which is talking about screen incentives

[0:46:40] Voice 7: or incentives for AUs.

[0:46:42] Voice 7: uh also funding a coordinator but the southern wild violence tourism partnership the LCC was

[0:46:48] Voice 7: involved in those negotiations as well so the tourism partnership has committed uh its online

[0:46:55] Voice 7: MRDT the so-called hotel tax for affordable housing and that's quite significant and they're

[0:47:02] Voice 7: funding the rural housing program coordinator and the third element of that rural housing program

[0:47:09] Voice 7: grant which the board will hopefully be approving this fall and it's to start January 1st and it's

[0:47:15] Voice 7: aimed at least initially at the two electoral areas Southern Grove Islands and Salisbury

[0:47:21] Voice 7: will be pre-development funding PDF funding to do the due diligence even fund some of the

[0:47:27] Voice 7: some of the servicing costs that Chris mentioned before so that you know that that's all quite

[0:47:33] Voice 7: quite exciting in my view.

[0:47:36] Voice 7: The CRD is also flooring,

[0:47:39] Voice 7: and we've reported this at the local trust committee,

[0:47:41] Voice 7: 85 million that's hung up in the courts now

[0:47:44] Voice 7: because there's a group that's challenged

[0:47:46] Voice 7: the alternative approval process.

[0:47:49] Voice 7: Hopefully that'll get resolved in September.

[0:47:52] Voice 7: That's an $85 million amount of money

[0:47:55] Voice 7: that would go towards construction costs

[0:47:57] Voice 7: for affordable housing.

[0:47:58] Voice 7: And that's the second phase

[0:48:00] of the previous housing program,

[0:48:02] program, which did fund

[0:48:04] Crofton Grove up here, 54

[0:48:05] units of affordable housing

[0:48:08] for Crofton Grove. BC Housing

[0:48:10] Voice 7: has spent tens of millions.

[0:48:12] Voice 7: Yes, we are omitted from some of the programs,

[0:48:14] Voice 7: although one, like Bill 35,

[0:48:16] Voice 7: we have to ask to be included, but

[0:48:18] Voice 7: I do understand

[0:48:20] Voice 7: from the trust's perspective,

[0:48:21] Voice 7: from the CRE perspective,

[0:48:24] Voice 7: from the affordable housing perspective,

[0:48:26] Voice 7: BC Housing has spent a lot

[0:48:28] Voice 7: of money here, and there are

[0:48:30] Voice 7: at least two

[0:48:31] Voice 7: projects that i'm aware of that are seeking additional dc housing funding and i think one

[0:48:38] Voice 7: of our roles together will be to advocate for support for that which you ever did that was

[0:48:44] Voice 7: definitely one of the things on the list is providing funding that's already got the zoning

[0:48:49] Voice 7: you know the land secured and that was included in your list to the minister and as tim alluded

[0:48:56] Voice 7: I think maybe one of the meetings we could have with Minister Kalem to reinforce some of the points, some of the concerns you raised.

[0:49:05] Voice 7: I do want to mention, I want to go back to Ganji's sewer, because that's one of the, especially we're talking about locating housing in the villages, which we should be talking about that approach for a whole number of reasons.

[0:49:17] The sewer, the

[0:49:20] Voice 7: plant itself has considerable excess capacity.

[0:49:23] Voice 7: There are pinch points in the collection system. So through the CRE, we've received 1.3 million from the growing community fund to expand that system and address those pinch points.

[0:49:39] Voice 7: And if we do, staff have estimated roughly there's another 500 units of housing that could be supported by the sewer system.

[0:49:47] Voice 7: It sounds like a lot, but in relation to our need, it's not a lot.

[0:49:52] Voice 7: And I just want to remind everybody that that's a scarce resource.

[0:49:57] Voice 7: Once we hit that limit, the cost of then expanding the sewer system further would be a huge step.

[0:50:05] So that's a precious, scarce resource.

[0:50:08] source, that in my

[0:50:10] Voice 7: view, again, I'm stressing my personal opinion, our primary focus should be

[0:50:16] Voice 7: using that sewer capacity for affordable housing, like truly affordable housing with housing

[0:50:22] Voice 7: agreements in the Ganges area. So that'll be something that we can talk about further when we

[0:50:28] have our

[0:50:29] Voice 7: workshop that Brian mentioned. Thank

[0:50:34] Voice 5: you. I'm looking forward to meeting with you. And I

[0:50:39] Voice 5: I think there's opportunities for clarity at the OCP.

[0:50:42] Voice 5: What does it do?

[0:50:44] Voice 5: Housing strategy, what does it do?

[0:50:47] Voice 5: Ultimately, we're going to get to a housing action plan,

[0:50:49] Voice 5: and I think there's a real opportunity

[0:50:50] Voice 5: that'll be a joint plan,

[0:50:52] Voice 5: because I think that's what we're all missing right now

[0:50:55] Voice 5: is what do I do?

[0:50:56] Voice 5: You're getting a lot of pressure.

[0:50:58] Voice 5: We need to do things.

[0:50:59] Voice 5: If we had a plan that had some clarity,

[0:51:01] Voice 5: you're doing this, we're doing that,

[0:51:03] Voice 5: and then it's both point to it,

[0:51:07] Voice 5: we can both use it when we're going after the grass and things as well so um we need to get

[0:51:13] Voice 5: to that point and then looking forward to working with you

[0:51:19] Voice 8: and tim to your point um if there are

[0:51:21] Voice 8: opportunities where we can add again our extra push to whatever extent we can do that to reinforce

[0:51:30] the advocacy

[0:51:30] Voice 8: with the province um we're really really open to doing that yeah because um i think

[0:51:38] Voice 8: I think we need to present a united front of South Spring,

[0:51:42] Voice 8: despite the jurisdictional outlines

[0:51:45] Voice 8: that don't quite align with one another

[0:51:47] Voice 8: and all of those little issues.

[0:51:49] Voice 8: The fact remains that we all represent the island

[0:51:52] Voice 8: and we need to speak as one voice to the extent we can

[0:51:56] to get what we need, especially

[0:51:57] Voice 8: if we were seen

[0:51:58] Voice 8: as falling through the cracks on some things,

[0:52:00] Voice 8: inadvertently or not.

[0:52:04] Voice 8: Laura.

[0:52:05] Voice 5: I know, but in the meantime,

[0:52:08] Voice 5: we do have a provincial election coming up

[0:52:10] Voice 5: And I am taking every MLA candidate on a tour of Salt Spring, driving them around and showing them not necessarily our most prettiest features, but they need to be educated and aware of what we're having.

[0:52:26] Voice 5: And I encourage all of you in this next month here, as you get an ear of a candidate, get them educated, get them answering questions in public as to what they're going to do to help us too.

[0:52:38] Voice 5: And we should all be calling on them to help us.

[0:52:43] Voice 3: And I know there's a formal debate, which will be totally different, but they are being

[0:52:48] Voice 3: invited.

[0:52:49] Voice 3: We're still waiting for one candidate to be selected, but they are being invited to ask

[0:52:52] Voice 3: Salt Spring on October 4th.

[0:52:54] Voice 3: So at least some have already accepted.

[0:52:56] Voice 3: What that means is they'll be over here for an entire day.

[0:53:00] Voice 3: So if you want to grab them after one o'clock or before 11 o'clock, they should all come.

[0:53:06] Voice 3: We'll have to wait for absolutely no time.

[0:53:08] Voice 3: but do think about that and using using that time to take the moment so

[0:53:14] Voice 9: um

[0:53:15] Voice 8: following up generally

[0:53:18] Voice 8: on expressions of enthusiasm for working together i want to mention a motion that i haven't yet

[0:53:26] Voice 8: brought forward that i have passed by individuals on the lcc passed it by laura passed it by a

[0:53:37] Voice 8: couple of the north salt spring waterworks district elected people um and that i'm

[0:53:42] Voice 8: hoping hoping to be able to move forward with some discussion on in you know a relatively

[0:53:49] Voice 8: urgent basis in the coming weeks i'd like to read it out i'm sorry it's a pretty long motion

[0:53:53] Voice 8: but but i want to read it out and so that people can respond to ideas criticism suggestions it's

[0:54:02] Voice 8: necessary um yes i'm

[0:54:05] Voice 2: not sure if you can read it out if you're going to make it as a motion right

[0:54:08] Voice 2: now because we don't want he's

[0:54:09] Voice 8: not moving i'm not moving

[0:54:10] Voice 8: a motion i'm making a statement okay

[0:54:13] Voice 8: point of information in fact i will remove the word moved

[0:54:20] Voice 9: that

[0:54:20] Voice 8: the local community commission invite the following to each appoint one elected person and

[0:54:26] Voice 8: one staff member to participate in an ongoing interagency working group on housing for working

[0:54:33] Voice 8: people and their families the local community commission the electoral area director the

[0:54:38] Voice 8: islands trust local trust committee and north salt spring waterworks district the working

[0:54:44] Voice 8: group's mandate is to address the shortage of affordable housing on salt spring island by

[0:54:49] Voice 8: identifying ways the agencies can cooperate to make progress on an urgent basis including

[0:54:55] Voice 8: Including developing new policies and regulations that increase the quality and quantity of housing options for working people and their families.

[0:55:04] Voice 8: Cooperation in creating housing strategies and action plans.

[0:55:08] Voice 8: Ensuring a high level of preservation and protection of the island's biodiversity, natural areas, and the island's freshwater, marine, agricultural, and forest resources.

[0:55:19] Voice 8: resources, working together to take advantage of funding opportunities, including joint

[0:55:25] Voice 8: development of funding applications, identifying appropriate locations for increased housing

[0:55:31] Voice 8: density, particularly in the Ganges Village area, and the associated infrastructure and

[0:55:36] Voice 8: service needs, and finally, exploring the feasibility of establishing a permanent resourced

[0:55:43] Voice 8: integrated advisory body to undertake integrated planning, policy development, and recommendations

[0:55:49] Voice 8: recommendations for implementation by member agencies. The working group will operate concurrently

[0:55:55] Voice 8: with initiatives such as the LTC's review of Salt Spring's official community plan,

[0:56:01] Voice 8: the LCC's work toward developing an integrated housing strategy, and North Salt Spring Waterworks'

[0:56:07] Voice 8: review of its connection moratorium. That's it.

[0:56:13] Voice 8: Again, this is a proposal of a motion that would go to the LCC, but of course we need

[0:56:19] Voice 8: and obviously consensus and buy-in from the other groups

[0:56:22] Voice 8: that would be involved for it to actually happen.

[0:56:24] Voice 8: So if I can just add one thing,

[0:56:26] I

[0:56:26] Voice 8: hope if and when the LCC talks about it,

[0:56:30] Voice 8: if and when the LCC passes a motion,

[0:56:33] Voice 8: it will be clearly communicated that the specific,

[0:56:37] Voice 8: the mandate and the priorities would be mutually determined,

[0:56:42] Voice 8: it wouldn't be dictated by the LCC.

[0:56:45] Voice 8: I already just in the chit chat with people

[0:56:48] Voice 8: from the waterworks district you know the comment was made and we certainly hope that we would you

[0:56:53] Voice 8: know be able to participate in determining that stuff the idea is for it all to be jointly it may

[0:57:00] Voice 8: be from a mechanistic point of view that such a body would exist under the purview of one of the

[0:57:08] Voice 8: the agencies. It might not be necessary just to resource it and organize it, but the idea is for it to be a real

[0:57:20] Voice 8: cooperative, collaborative partnership of agencies, not one inviting other agencies to its meetings.

[0:57:31] Voice 3: And I should have read our procedures, but since the LCC, I'm doing it, has been functioning there have been two working groups that I've been involved in that have brought recommendations to the LCC.

[0:57:46] Voice 3: Very casual, non-resourced, casually minuted, not formal meetings, open to the public, but not announced.

[0:57:56] Voice 3: i know there's another committee which is a totally different structure so i'm really

[0:58:01] Voice 3: wondering if you can give us some direction on what are the kind of rules and regulations about

[0:58:06] Voice 3: working groups i know they're different than board approved committees but i'm not quite sure

[0:58:11] Voice 3: what they are stephen do you have that like i

[0:58:14] Voice 4: don't have that at all i think um we can uh

[0:58:19] Voice 4: we can take this back i think we uh regarding um brian's uh suggestion that would come back to

[0:58:26] Voice 4: an lcc meeting we are talking about doing an integrated housing uh preliminary integrated

[0:58:30] Voice 4: housing uh discussion uh in september and potentially that could be brought back at

[0:58:36] Voice 4: that meeting um we could share it with the group of experts that we want to bring together and we

[0:58:42] Voice 4: can talk about the the phrasing you have there and we can start to talk about how what makes sense i

[0:58:47] Voice 4: think um i'm thinking that's a correct time to bring that forward um is that we're talking about

[0:58:55] Voice 4: having an integrated housing preliminary discussions towards moving forward on our

[0:59:00] Voice 4: integrated housing strategy i think that's it all kind of lines up i think with the timing and then

[0:59:05] Voice 4: we can start talking to go whether it's a workshop or special meetings or a separate group a committee

[0:59:10] Voice 4: or something like a subcommittee does that mean just time and a place i think it makes sense

[0:59:16] Voice 4: but it's great um thank you for reading that now it kind of helps us get prepared and anticipate

[0:59:21] Voice 4: be helping respond to questions gary

[0:59:26] Voice 7: yeah thanks and yeah obviously there was the nature of the

[0:59:31] Voice 7: beast is it's an interagency piece that involves servicing values etc etc so obviously interagency

[0:59:39] Voice 7: collaboration but i i agree and i think it's brian's intent we do have that workshop where

[0:59:45] Voice 7: we're inviting those various players to the table for detailed discussion see how that proposal fits

[0:59:53] Depending on what North Salt Spring decides to do with

[0:59:56] Voice 7: the moratorium, the other

[1:00:00] Voice 7: key player that that should be at the table at some point is the province is flintrow or whatever

[1:00:06] Voice 7: the heck they call themselves nowadays but the folks that have authority over for example

[1:00:11] Voice 7: groundwater because in ganges uh if you're if you're not in the system you have to go for

[1:00:19] Voice 7: a grant for what croppenberg did dragonflies proposing um so that introduces a huge element of

[1:00:32] Voice 7: complication and regulatory processes and licensing and violent health to

[1:00:37] Voice 7: improve your final system so depending on what happens uh i hope we're gonna hear

[1:00:43] Voice 7: here reasonably soon from the results bring about what they want to do with the moratorium

[1:00:48] Voice 7: the province needs to be uh involved in those interagency discussions and just the other point

[1:00:54] Voice 7: i guess are questions for the trust there there already are uh projects in play uh chris i think

[1:01:02] Voice 7: you alluded to a couple that for example may be looking for connection to the sewer did i catch

[1:01:09] Voice 7: that right before maybe there's

[1:01:11] Voice 8: definitely housing projects in the community that would benefit and

[1:01:17] develop both properties in the community that i think would both identify um in the community

[1:01:22] would be ideal candidates for formal housing if the right circumstances came along in my in my

[1:01:28] experience the right circumstances come along the right people come along to make that happen

[1:01:31] Voice 7: so my question is uh i'm assuming like the ocp review which is going to take a lot of staff time

[1:01:40] Voice 7: community time and all of that it's going to be pretty intensive resource intensive process

[1:01:47] Voice 7: but in the meantime there are moving buses and i my understanding is would be the trust

[1:01:54] Voice 7: would do their best especially if it's for affordable housing to try and deal with

[1:01:59] Voice 7: individual projects as they're going along and if they require a lot of permit or or even rezoning

[1:02:06] Voice 7: are we waiting to the end of the ocp process to deal with those projects we will deal with them

[1:02:13] Voice 7: so for example dragonfly which is changing ownership we're not sure who the owners are

[1:02:21] Voice 7: maybe some of us know but uh they're they've got a first reading at the trust there's a proposal

[1:02:28] Voice 7: for a boarding house that the trust is considering a temporary use permit for a boarding house which

[1:02:33] Voice 7: really is one of the least costly ways of establishing affordable housing is to actually

[1:02:39] Voice 7: share a kitchen and of course you do that informally through home sharing but you can

[1:02:45] Voice 7: also do it more formally through boarding houses which are a lot of this part of this business

[1:02:50] Voice 7: where there's a proponent talking to the trust now about a temporary use permit for that

[1:02:55] Voice 7: a couple of other questions so seagrees who are renovating sorry seagrees the the hospital

[1:03:04] Voice 7: foundation are renovating seagrees for health worker housing and the crd has agreed to include

[1:03:11] Voice 7: them in the sewer area they're going to have to cover the cost of extending the line up the hill

[1:03:16] Voice 7: we're going to help with some community works funding do they need any twigging though in terms

[1:03:21] Voice 7: of zoning because they're going their current zoning is is a c4 i would imagine like commercial

[1:03:28] combination do they need construction another way

[1:03:31] Voice 7: so as far as the trust is concerned the conversion

[1:03:36] Voice 7: from the end to squeeze their health workers i have to believe in a victory inside director

[1:03:41] home and i i uh it's it kind of didn't move it

[1:03:44] Voice 8: was kind of it stopped before before i started

[1:03:47] Voice 8: and it's never really come back to the trust so um and so you know excuse me but i can't imagine

[1:03:54] they didn't send us a permit so it's it might be that um the permit has been in place but i can

[1:04:00] certainly follow up with you to confirm and i'll you know i won't belabor it but there are there

[1:04:05] Voice 7: are actually a few other projects that may or may not require some tweaking but you've answered the

[1:04:09] Voice 7: basic question which is yeah we're doing the broader ocp review uh which can result in ocp

[1:04:15] Voice 7: changes like the spoiler changes but in the meantime there are projects that are moving

[1:04:20] Voice 7: forward as we speak including uh a couple of projects uh where they're working with dc housing

[1:04:27] Voice 7: for funding but uh which also may require uh either uh twigging or maybe even rezoning and

[1:04:37] i won't go into the detail but just the basic concern is that the trust will be dealing with

[1:04:43] with those as best they can while we're doing the MCT process.

[1:04:46] So, Mr. Chair, so I can send a message here by someone who's

[1:04:51] watching that we did do a temporary use permit at some

[1:04:54] point for C3s, I'm guessing in 2022 or 2021, it's still

[1:04:58] current. So they were issued a temporary use permit in order to

[1:05:02] advance that. So we'll keep working with them on that. But

[1:05:05] that pretty much takes care of the use of any use issue. With

[1:05:09] regards to individual properties, our planning staff

[1:05:12] we're always available to answer questions about zoning um potential uh part of what they do uh

[1:05:18] the general public certainly anybody can can give us a call and make those inquiries so we were

[1:05:23] happy to work with crd on specific properties to provide property reports or any other

[1:05:28] supplemental information um and as we go through this project process of course we'll have a

[1:05:33] different level of engagement on those sites and whether or not there's a need to consider

[1:05:37] are key sites or housing rather

[1:05:39] Voice 8: to what extent that we pre-zone that land or

[1:05:46] Voice 8: within a public engagement context of course we don't have provision for um public um

[1:05:58] Voice 8: conversation i'm sorry but yeah it's just

[1:06:00] Voice 9: very applicable yeah

[1:06:03] Voice 6: um i might be like lighting myself

[1:06:09] Voice 6: self on fire and this is very philosophical not pragmatic but i i know i think i understand the

[1:06:17] reason

[1:06:17] Voice 6: why the language of working people and their families continues to come up in this

[1:06:22] Voice 6: i don't know if it's political i don't know if it's single-minded but like i i just i never know

[1:06:31] if these plans

[1:06:32] Voice 6: have provisions for like guaranteeing that someone is working often enough to

[1:06:36] Voice 6: deserve housing, whether or not someone who has got a disability that precludes them from housing

[1:06:43] Voice 6: won't be able to access these forms of housing, whether people who are aged out of being

[1:06:48] employable are going to be excluded from these types of housing. I don't really know the purpose

[1:06:53] of, other than differentiating it from affordable housing, which I totally understand the purpose

[1:06:58] there, but

[1:06:59] Voice 6: like I just don't understand why, like I'm a renter, I work, those two things go

[1:07:04] Voice 6: like this together and I just I don't understand the obsession with same worker housing um

[1:07:13] Voice 3: from

[1:07:15] Voice 3: what I continue to hear mostly at Assault Spring um even though we don't do that well there is

[1:07:21] Voice 3: some provincial and federal money for those who have shelter rate those have affordable rates

[1:07:27] Voice 3: those who have that sort of focus what I continue to hear is there's a missing middle of people that

[1:07:35] Voice 3: that make money, earn enough to pay,

[1:07:38] Voice 3: not maybe market rates, but close to that,

[1:07:41] Voice 3: and just can't find anywhere.

[1:07:42] Voice 3: And so I think my passion and my concern

[1:07:44] Voice 3: is not for just one group,

[1:07:46] Voice 3: but it does fall heavily into that group

[1:07:50] Voice 3: that has, with provincial and federal funding,

[1:07:53] Voice 3: is getting ignored and not getting help.

[1:07:55] Voice 3: So that would be where some of my comes from,

[1:07:58] Voice 3: and that doesn't exclude those who are not working,

[1:08:01] Voice 3: those who are not able to work,

[1:08:02] Voice 3: those who have nowhere to sleep.

[1:08:03] Voice 3: it's widespread but that missing middle is a big piece of my concern

[1:08:08] Voice 8: laura so sorry well i would

[1:08:12] just add the the housing needs assessments um that are required by the province now and that

[1:08:17] we recently referred to earlier are um they do address beyond a housing like housing unit in

[1:08:28] sense of vulnerable persons they go into sort of a poor housing perspective so so sort of the line

[1:08:36] that we're talking about that you know there's certainly people that

[1:08:40] Voice 8: need help that just will

[1:08:41] Voice 8: if the conditions of the market will never enable them to independently access housing right there's

[1:08:48] Voice 8: also a situation where the conditions of the market maybe unfairly you know you have people

[1:08:52] Voice 8: at work they still can't afford housing because of distortions to some extent in our market that

[1:08:57] we have you know ourselves bring down a somewhat distorted housing market right the wage you make

[1:09:02] in a lot of regular jobs um does not pay for the regular pay in this place right so that's a that's

[1:09:08] part of what we look at through housing needs so a lot of it rely on

[1:09:11] Voice 8: the bigger discussion of how

[1:09:13] Voice 8: much housing is needed and how much as a as a state entity um we should we should help people

[1:09:19] afford housing it's a totally different ball of wax but um this is these are the parameters

[1:09:24] in terms of assessment.

[1:09:26] And that's really the best information.

[1:09:29] And again, what Chair Peterson went back to

[1:09:32] is that we really want to get funding for those things.

[1:09:35] And ideally, I think I hear what you're saying

[1:09:37] is the question is not about reducing,

[1:09:40] reducing prices as much as making supply available, right?

[1:09:43] And stabilizing increases.

[1:09:47] Is the function of the language

[1:09:48] Voice 6: of what you said,

[1:09:49] Voice 6: like impaired by not including the phrase

[1:09:52] Voice 6: working people and their families

[1:09:54] Voice 6: and just saying people on Salisbury Island.

[1:09:57] Voice 6: Well,

[1:09:58] Voice 8: I can just say in terms of the possible future motion,

[1:10:03] Voice 8: that language is in there to clarify

[1:10:07] that it's not specifically focused, for example,

[1:10:12] for a

[1:10:12] Voice 8: shelter for the unhoused.

[1:10:14] Voice 8: It's not focused on housing for wealthy people

[1:10:17] who have a zillion options right now.

[1:10:20] Now, it's kind of, as Gail said, it's focused on

[1:10:24] Voice 8: the very substantial population we have,

[1:10:28] Voice 8: which is neither of those two, and so that is a shorthand for saying that there is no

[1:10:39] intention whatsoever to say that one group has a right to housing and another doesn't.

[1:10:46] Everybody, obviously, I shouldn't say obviously because it's not the way the world works, but everybody in my view has a right to safe, secure housing, and not everybody has it.

[1:11:00] this motion is intended to deal with a big chunk of that but not all of that simply because

[1:11:10] Voice 8: the

[1:11:12] Voice 8: agencies are different for example in dealing with housing for people who are unhoused

[1:11:20] Voice 8: and i would suggest the need for us to uh extend a lot of brain cells and time

[1:11:27] to figure

[1:11:28] Voice 8: out housing options for the zillionaires is just not so that's that's what i'm thinking not

[1:11:34] Voice 8: trying to exclude any but to be uh focused and and realistic a pensioner could fall into this

[1:11:46] designation of people who are not unhoused and people who are not zillionaires yeah okay and

[1:11:53] Voice 6: they could also not be working and they could not be living with family i'm

[1:11:56] Voice 8: 64 i don't know

[1:12:01] Voice 6: I'm comfortable dropping it. I understand it's very philosophical. It just keeps coming

[1:12:07] up and it's starting to lose its like, I don't know, I'm just starting to wonder why it's

[1:12:11] a game.

[1:12:12] Gary.

[1:12:13] Just don't light yourself on fire.

[1:12:14] Oh.

[1:12:15] I'll need to.

[1:12:16] I think it's a key point. And Brian is right that the LCC passed a motion indicating

[1:12:27] I

[1:12:28] Voice 7: supported that. I agree with that. But that's a particular lens and I think part of the reason for the emphasis by the LCC on worker is because the one service that the main service that we have available to us to support affordable housing is our economic development service.

[1:12:52] Voice 7: So obviously there's a key link there with affordable housing that's also going to help employers.

[1:12:57] Voice 7: So I think that's in part the reference to worker housing is because the service that we oversee where we do have resources to be able to apply to the issue is economic development.

[1:13:12] So that's a key. Now at the regional level, though, there is no distinction.

[1:13:16] But in part, that's a bit problematic, because certainly the Chamber of Business Groups have

[1:13:26] certainly made the employers have made the point

[1:13:28] Voice 7: that worker housing, it seems to be

[1:13:32] Voice 7: a gap in terms of funding, and it is.

[1:13:35] Voice 7: At the federal, provincial, regional district level, none of them identify worker housing,

[1:13:44] Voice 7: which is linked to income which there is an overlap with worker housing. So Grokendorff I'm citing this example, the last phase three of the Grokendorff which was 30, I forget, 37 units of the executive director at the time and there were three phases to Grokendorff, the last two were funded through the regional housing program, which included D.C. Housing and the partner.

[1:14:13] Voice 7: half of the people in that phase three also worked but the the facility

[1:14:20] Voice 7: did not specify worker housing the funding did not specify worker housing but the fact of the

[1:14:26] matter is uh but there's a lot of people who work even pictures uh work right in our community

[1:14:32] homeless people work in our communities in my view again to be discussed further we have this

[1:14:39] workshop i'm looking forward to that but uh while the lcc may have a particular lens because the

[1:14:47] service we

[1:14:47] Voice 7: oversee is economic development which is kind of our where our key resources are as a

[1:14:54] community like the trust and other groups as a community i think we should be thinking of housing

[1:15:01] across the continuum chris made the point about the needs assessment which by the way that because

[1:15:06] As I understand it, the trust is going to be updating that.

[1:15:09] There is a request for permits that are bundled, right?

[1:15:13] Right.

[1:15:14] And those needs assessments, every

[1:15:17] Voice 7: one of them identify the lower income of the scale as the critical need, like the core need perspective, Chris, that you mentioned, right?

[1:15:26] Voice 7: So there's a housing need across the board, even for a higher paid profession.

[1:15:31] Voice 7: It's finding it difficult to find housing that are owned for rental.

[1:15:34] Voice 7: and those but those needs has been stated where the real critical need is for folks

[1:15:39] uh who who have income constraints um i think as a community we should be focused on that

[1:15:48] continuum the role of the lcc may be a little bit narrow because of the economic development

[1:15:54] function but certainly crd victoria has that broader perspective where

[1:16:01] Voice 7: in fact the former

[1:16:03] Voice 7: regional housing first program which was a three-way partnership between crd bc housing

[1:16:10] Voice 7: and cmhc which tim again goes to your point about being left out uh each of those partners

[1:16:15] Voice 7: contributed 40 million dollars so yes we are being left out of some stuff completely the legislative

[1:16:22] Voice 7: stuff because that tends to be running through land use authorities and i agree the trust seems

[1:16:27] Voice 7: to be a bit of an afterthought there but we certainly have had significant contributions

[1:16:33] Voice 7: in terms of the funding programs and all of those funding none of them mentioned worker housing

[1:16:39] Voice 7: they all are predicated on the affordability question and regional housing first our priority

[1:16:47] Voice 7: for our share of that funding was for the shelter rate portion of that housing at 20

[1:16:56] 20% of any regional housing first program had to be

[1:17:02] Voice 7: offered at a social assistant rate,

[1:17:05] Voice 7: which used to be like $300.

[1:17:07] Voice 7: Now it's over $400.

[1:17:08] Voice 7: The province increased that.

[1:17:09] Voice 7: But anyway, as a community, I believe we should be looking at the continuum.

[1:17:14] Voice 7: And by the way, again, in terms of provincial funding, three years ago, we did not have

[1:17:19] Voice 7: funding for a year-round 24-7 shelter.

[1:17:22] Voice 7: We now do have that at a cost of well over a million dollars a year.

[1:17:26] Voice 7: provided by DC housing community services. So there's a broader

[1:17:32] Voice 7: lens there, but the LCC role may be somewhat narrow, just because

[1:17:37] Voice 7: of the service that we oversee. So it's, it's shorthand for

[1:17:42] Voice 7: lower middle class,

[1:17:44] Voice 6: or middle class.

[1:17:47] Voice 7: Well, there, there is a

[1:17:50] Voice 7: definition of in the OCP of affordable housing, right? My

[1:17:58] Voice 7: salt stream. So there actually is a working definition under OCP of what constitutes affordable housing. And this doesn't mean that we shouldn't be thinking about housing for higher income folks, professionals, police officers, nurses, doctors, they all, they all face issues to find housing or even at market rates.

[1:18:20] Voice 7: But there is a definition of affordability and in my view that should be our priority and going back to those gandhi sewer that that capacity those 500 units that the gandhi sewer can handle with, in my view, the key priority should be for affordable housing for mid to lower incomes.

[1:18:42] Voice 7: comes all right as

[1:18:45] Voice 5: someone who takes a whole lot of poop in this community for trying to work on

[1:18:49] Voice 5: housing um i'm accused of everything that a growth model i'm going after a growth model

[1:18:55] Voice 5: trying to house the people are already here the workforce of this island are living in trailers

[1:19:02] Voice 5: tents boats shacks and other sorts all over the island and and that's not okay and i think that's

[1:19:12] Voice 5: so i think a lot of what we're talking about is we can sit down and have some of the strategy

[1:19:16] Voice 5: conversations clarity around the language you know of what we're doing i do caution we should

[1:19:23] Voice 5: have separate programs kind of a homelessness issue i think they're trying to prevent people

[1:19:28] Voice 5: from sliding in that direction is the focus of the housing homeless approach is a different

[1:19:34] Voice 5: whole different approach so we should have two strategies eventually a strategy as well

[1:19:41] Voice 5: across our agencies um so i think it's you know getting clarity on the language you know thank

[1:19:48] Voice 5: you ben you're correct to call you know what are we trying to do and i think getting clarity around

[1:19:53] Voice 5: that putting a face to this issue will only help us as we go to victoria and talk about this because

[1:19:59] Voice 5: is if people are confused, here, even on the island,

[1:20:02] Voice 5: well, there's an island in the exchange

[1:20:03] Voice 5: or someone wants to move here from Calgary, you know?

[1:20:06] Voice 5: That's not what we're trying to do.

[1:20:08] Voice 5: And so I think the more that we get clear,

[1:20:11] Voice 5: more that we can express what we're trying to do,

[1:20:14] Voice 5: then we can clear up all this negative,

[1:20:19] Voice 5: you know, that will be thrown at you from the community

[1:20:22] Voice 5: if you dare talk about housing somebody.

[1:20:27] Voice 8: All right, thank you, Gail.

[1:20:28] Voice 8: So

[1:20:29] Voice 3: just to get back to Brian's non-motion, we will probably bring it back to the LCC on September 12th.

[1:20:38] Voice 3: I'm just wondering, would you bring something like that to the Islands Trust, a companion non-motion, or what's going to happen? What's next steps?

[1:20:50] Voice 9: Was it a

[1:20:51] Voice 8: companion non-motion for you, sir?

[1:20:53] Voice 9: What, sir?

[1:20:54] Voice 9: uh

[1:20:54] Voice 3: what brian said was not really a motion that ran out we will discuss um at our next meeting

[1:21:01] Voice 3: which is september 12th and i'm just kind of wondering whether you'll wait for our discussion

[1:21:06] Voice 3: and then bring it to you or do you want to discuss it at your next meeting and how how do we move

[1:21:13] Voice 3: forward

[1:21:13] Voice 8: any um anything like that would likely or the way out of the trust functions primarily

[1:21:19] only be said to that it's sort of similar to the way our our discussion goes it typically goes to

[1:21:25] other departments so mr hamilton might have done that at the end at the trust analyst trust that

[1:21:31] goes back to trust area services when it comes to developing protocol and i think the same thing

[1:21:36] would happen for a multilateral engagement like that um

[1:21:39] Voice 8: alternatively there may be other ways but

[1:21:42] Voice 8: we would have to explore that independently so there's you know if a if a trustee were to bring

[1:21:47] the motion that would be optional the other way that you might go about it it's for lccs and uh

[1:21:54] just the password resolution indicating interest to those other agencies and we can start the

[1:21:59] conversation that way um i don't think that would

[1:22:03] Voice 9: happen all

[1:22:07] Voice 4: right um to the chair i think what

[1:22:08] Voice 4: would happen is um if the motion was made at this meeting um then it gets approved and we've been

[1:22:12] Voice 4: informed by this trust uh once it's made and once it's approved by the trust we could inform staff

[1:22:18] Voice 4: of interest we can hurry so

[1:22:21] Voice 7: my understanding it was brian's intent that we would discuss that

[1:22:25] Voice 7: motion in more detail at the workshop that we're setting up to get

[1:22:29] Voice 7: into the devil in the detail on

[1:22:30] Voice 7: a whole range of issues so where this motion lasts i think would be better informed coming out of

[1:22:37] Voice 7: that meeting as opposed to going right to uh lcc that's what you were saying that's what i was

[1:22:42] Voice 7: thinking yeah i'm

[1:22:42] Voice 7: just gonna have that meeting before the first meeting in september yeah what

[1:22:47] Voice 4: i was thinking what's what's its result what's its degree

[1:22:49] Voice 8: well like this so we're talking about

[1:22:52] Voice 8: a difference in the week which is why i'm not stressed about it right um being cognizant of

[1:22:59] Voice 8: the time um unless there's any further discussion on housing at this point would be helpful today

[1:23:05] Voice 8: i'd like to move on to our last couple of agenda items next one is um related to um corporate

[1:23:23] There's a couple we've proposed, one with MOT,

[1:23:26] Voice 7: and one with provincial and maybe federal

[1:23:30] Voice 7: entity around hardware management, which speaks to Brian's work on that.

[1:23:36] Voice 7: We attended a CRD meeting.

[1:23:40] meeting, so those were

[1:23:41] Voice 7: the two. But housing absolutely has come up, and I think a meeting

[1:23:45] Voice 7: with Rabbi Kalon around our housing concerns, there's a whole range of things there we can

[1:23:51] discuss with Rabbi, and so I think maybe if staff can work

[1:23:58] Voice 7: together on trying to set up

[1:23:59] Voice 7: a meeting, that would be a key one, I think, for Mr. Kalon.

[1:24:04] Voice 5: the ship has sailed for minister meetings and i know i'm stressed was unsuccessful in getting a

[1:24:11] Voice 5: single minister meeting yesterday we had quite a conversation um of all of the trustees that

[1:24:17] Voice 5: will be going to ubcn we talked about staff um requests so we left the i'm stressed with a whole

[1:24:26] Voice 5: long list of staff that we wanted to talk to and housing ministry staff were on that list so we

[1:24:33] Voice 5: have requested this um staff meeting um but i think there are opportunity there will be cabinet

[1:24:40] Voice 5: uh workshops where we can pose questions and others so there's lots of ways of still

[1:24:46] Voice 5: arm wrestling um ravi and others as we um and i think if we have a coordinated approach uh

[1:24:53] Voice 5: and prepare some questions that we'd like to get asked then it could be who's going

[1:25:04] Voice 5: So I think if we had some questions posed if you got this cornered or whoever gets some cornered could ask them that question.

[1:25:11] Voice 7: You know you're right Laura, the minister ship has sailed. So the meetings we were proposing were going to be with senior staff.

[1:25:18] Voice 7: So maybe staff to staff talk about well the trust has arranged a meeting, maybe just let us know what it is and we can attend if we can and vice versa sort of thing.

[1:25:29] Voice 7: So if you've arranged meetings and a series of arranged meetings to communicate about what those are and what the topics are.

[1:25:36] Voice 7: And then if we know that list of meetings on either part, we can send questions.

[1:25:43] Voice 8: Yeah, the deadline for those staff meetings was yesterday afternoon.

[1:25:47] Voice 8: We basically put our staff right to work up the wire on that.

[1:25:53] Voice 10: So we'll find out where that goes.

[1:25:58] Voice 10: and if and you'll find out where it goes on your end and let's let's communicate when we get that

[1:26:03] Voice 10: information yeah but

[1:26:06] Voice 3: i think we need to do better next year before the ship does sail without us i

[1:26:11] Voice 3: think we all should be there i know it's very pricey and laura and i talked briefly in my email

[1:26:16] Voice 3: about ways that we might be able to get a group you know some sort of a group membership i don't

[1:26:23] Voice 3: know where that's possible but there is a year to do

[1:26:25] Voice 3: it we also need to share rooms um you know we

[1:26:28] Voice 9: need

[1:26:28] Voice 3: to get there and i think the lcc needs to even um by then we might know how successful

[1:26:33] Voice 3: we're going to be we need to be telling the province what's going on with lcc so i'm hoping

[1:26:38] Voice 3: that this is just kind of a very early conversation about next year and the fact that we need to do

[1:26:44] Voice 3: better well

[1:26:45] Voice 5: one thing that i think we should look at i mean we're unique as we are special um

[1:26:56] Voice 5: UBCM Islands Trust has one membership, so it forces us to be kind of bound into this

[1:27:04] Voice 5: trust council lap of going in there.

[1:27:07] Voice 5: I kind of throw that out of the water and go to work, and I'm there for SALT, that's

[1:27:11] Voice 5: what we're there for.

[1:27:13] Voice 5: We should look at how, you know, could we make a proposal to UBCM for a SALT-brained

[1:27:19] Voice 5: membership.

[1:27:19] Voice 5: It's $0.50 a person, so it's like $6,000 roughly to get a membership for Salt Spring.

[1:27:28] Voice 5: Could we propose a joint agency membership somehow?

[1:27:32] Voice 5: We're not a municipality.

[1:27:34] Voice 5: I mean, we're reasonably – are they open to having that conversation?

[1:27:39] Voice 5: I don't even know how to have an approach to it.

[1:27:42] Voice 5: I just emailed to the membership board, probably not now, the week before the conference.

[1:27:47] Voice 5: But it's something to look at, because then we'd be able to make minister meetings ourselves and show up ourselves and not be sharing, you know, not having to just have the topic be trust council-wide, but a Salt Spring-specific meetings.

[1:28:02] Voice 5: I think we deserve it.

[1:28:04] Voice 5: We're a large community in this province.

[1:28:07] Voice 5: It's amazing how many tiny, tiny municipalities there are in this province.

[1:28:12] Voice 5: We're huge.

[1:28:15] Voice 9: Good point.

[1:28:19] Voice 9: Well,

[1:28:20] Voice 8: I just wanted to be clear, for the reason Gary is the only LCC representative of is a budget decision made by us, wasn't imposed on us by anyone else. And it is, of course, a potentially touchy issue because some people in the community view that as going off to a convention and partying.

[1:28:45] Voice 8: And UBCM is a unique animal, and I know from the consulting work I did for many, many years for government, including municipal affairs ministry, that it is a crucial mechanism for the province to have a clue of what's going on, especially in the 60% of municipalities that have smaller populations than Salisbury.

[1:29:10] Voice 8: it's very difficult to get their attention at other times

[1:29:14] here and it's a great opportunity to do so when we're here so i just echo what you know in

[1:29:21] particular said about the importance of us being there and if it means we take some flack from

[1:29:28] some folks who aren't keen about paying property taxes i say so don't elect anybody who

[1:29:35] who wants to get out there and advocate for our community.

[1:29:38] That's your view.

[1:29:41] I'm really looking forward to those parties.

[1:29:48] Just to make the point that UBCM is important.

[1:29:52] We can be better organized in the future, for sure.

[1:29:56] Voice 7: I decided, I haven't gone many years.

[1:29:58] Voice 7: I decided to go this year.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: because it was an election, it is pretty crucial,

[1:30:04] but it is not the ultimate end all.

[1:30:06] So if

[1:30:07] Voice 7: Laura and I have participated in meetings

[1:30:10] Voice 7: with the finance minister, with the housing minister,

[1:30:13] Voice 7: with David Eby, now premier,

[1:30:16] Voice 7: if we've got an MLA who's willing to play that role,

[1:30:20] Voice 7: and we certainly have had one,

[1:30:22] and I expect we will have one, whoever gets elected,

[1:30:25] the MLA for our constituency does a good job

[1:30:29] but

[1:30:29] Voice 7: connecting us with ministers and then you get it's not a speed dating kind of situation right

[1:30:35] Voice 7: like 15 minutes so we got to go and you hope they heard you uh hope that staff got the notes right

[1:30:41] Voice 7: we can have meetings and we should have meetings when we're clearer about the things we want to

[1:30:47] Voice 7: advocate for

[1:30:49] Voice 5: well there's more to dbcm than the conference um uh there's also granting

[1:30:55] Voice 5: So like right now, the C2C funding, which is things to organize community events with First Nations, what are the opportunities for us to share and do that?

[1:31:04] Voice 5: Islands Trust has to only have one application for the entire Islands Trust.

[1:31:09] Voice 5: So if Salt Spring was a member,

[1:31:10] Voice 5: did we get access to our own C2C funding every time if we were?

[1:31:15] Voice 5: So I think there's an opportunity to look at and explore. Is there a benefit? Could we make a proposal?

[1:31:22] Voice 5: and would it be beneficial?

[1:31:25] Voice 5: I think it's worth asking, Jill.

[1:31:31] Voice 3: Would you be willing to be the one to ask those questions?

[1:31:34] Voice 5: I'd be happy to, I think we'll be able to find people

[1:31:37] Voice 5: to talk to at the conference about what would be,

[1:31:40] Voice 5: what would be the methodology

[1:31:41] Voice 5: and how we could start that process.

[1:31:45] Voice 5: Because there would be a budgetary issue

[1:31:48] Voice 5: of where we get the 6,000 bucks.

[1:31:51] Voice 8: all right thank you that's a good idea um last item on our agenda is um making provision for

[1:31:58] Voice 8: our next joint meeting um which has been very helpful i don't know right off to

[1:32:06] Voice 8: the next one with the ltc or if the group has any thoughts on whether it makes sense to continue as

[1:32:15] Voice 8: we have on specific topics um i think we can probably work out the agenda on the side brian

[1:32:23] yeah just to make it a quick comment so this is the second time that we've done this the first

[1:32:28] time we've ever focused

[1:32:30] Voice 8: on well one the protocol agreement um and uh and then a lot of kind of

[1:32:39] generalities but i think we've been talking about some specific

[1:32:43] Voice 8: stuff where it's really important

[1:32:45] Voice 8: where we have to be working together so i think it's really important that we continue

[1:32:50] doing this for sure and this format except for the fact it would be based through assembly

[1:32:58] for delegations at the beginning so i couldn't remember it's been two minutes

[1:33:03] saying something um rather than feeling like they're only allowed to listen i think that would

[1:33:08] be a good thing but aside from that more yeah um i i think it's i think it's great this is

[1:33:18] Voice 8: this is round two i think we i'm just saying we've got more into more issues this time i think um

[1:33:29] Voice 9: yeah let's i'm sure but we'll ltc will you can host the next one and

[1:33:34] Voice 10: uh and you and i can get

[1:33:36] Voice 10: in touch on on timing um i'm going to guess that probably october's a bit more realistic

[1:33:43] Voice 10: than september absolutely um just ubcm trust council um so well we can

[1:33:52] Voice 8: certainly work but

[1:33:52] Voice 8: i

[1:33:52] Voice 10: think regular is i mean we can try and do it you know at least every second month every month

[1:34:01] Voice 10: when it's necessary i mean as we're working on specific issues see chris sweating over there but

[1:34:07] Voice 8: um

[1:34:08] Voice 5: but uh

[1:34:12] Voice 9: yeah

[1:34:13] Voice 10: let's let's do it and and last time uh you know we sort of worked up

[1:34:18] Voice 10: some dates and then ran them by staff so you're content to do that again okay

[1:34:25] just in terms of topics uh there's a couple that fall off like you can sample fall off

[1:34:31] often. Sure. But I don't think we resolve like we've got it

[1:34:36] more detailed, but I think we just really resolved anything.

[1:34:39] So I would object to some of these issues, like housing

[1:34:43] particular, right, it's going to be an ongoing conversation. But

[1:34:48] we should talk about water at some point. By law enforcement

[1:34:53] is a key concern, which we talked about lately

[1:34:58] Voice 7: and how we

[1:34:59] Voice 7: work together as agencies there on that there's a housing connection there there's other uh issues

[1:35:05] Voice 7: uh harbor management maybe detailed there there is security is going to continue

[1:35:14] Voice 7: the board has agreed they've asked staff to come back with uh i guess more detailed possible

[1:35:20] Voice 7: options for harbor management uh so there's you know what we can do decide to do here uh the trust

[1:35:28] slash LCCD, but there's also

[1:35:30] a potential for a regional

[1:35:33] initiative,

[1:35:33] Voice 7: and that's

[1:35:34] Voice 7: still under discussion at the board.

[1:35:36] Voice 7: I don't hear any

[1:35:38] Voice 7: championing to move into harbor management,

[1:35:40] Voice 7: but it's going to be

[1:35:42] Voice 7: not the only issue at both levels,

[1:35:44] Voice 7: so that's something we can come back to.

[1:35:47] Voice 10: Yeah, and I mean,

[1:35:49] Voice 10: Chair Rook, I think

[1:35:52] we can bounce potential topics off

[1:35:54] each other, and feel free to

[1:35:55] weigh

[1:35:56] Voice 10: in. Certainly the harbor

[1:35:57] Voice 10: management, from my perspective, I'm

[1:35:59] Voice 10: i'm still didn't trying to find uh angles to try and get the fence to

[1:36:04] Voice 10: to buy in at some level um see how that goes sorry

[1:36:13] Voice 5: just one other i i think we should probably have

[1:36:16] Voice 5: like a standing item on as we figure out like products that we think want to be joint products

[1:36:24] Voice 5: like the housing action plans that's something we think should be a joint product because it's

[1:36:27] Voice 5: of we're gonna have to figure out how to do that um so i think we should have sort of a standing

[1:36:32] Voice 5: item to be identifying these opportunities to have joint outcomes certainly that there's the

[1:36:42] products and then there's also the advocacy joint advocacy opportunities

[1:36:45] Voice 8: and then i'd just like to

[1:36:48] Voice 8: pick up on something brian mentioned that if staff could help us with finding a way that we can

[1:36:54] Voice 8: work procedurally to at least provide some period of time to a public delegation or communication

[1:37:01] Voice 8: with us. I feel really uncomfortable having us closed off completely when people are here

[1:37:08] Voice 8: to listen. I know that's the best of my law and all, but if there are ways to work around that,

[1:37:13] Voice 8: I'd appreciate talking about that. Anyone else have any? It sounds

[1:37:21] Voice 3: like kind of a crazy idea,

[1:37:22] Voice 3: but i think of all the advocacy letters often around transportation that we have been sending

[1:37:27] Voice 3: and it makes a lot of sense to have your you know your letterhead on it with us so i guess i would

[1:37:34] Voice 3: like to say let's look every time we do something that's an advocacy um at least asking you whether

[1:37:40] Voice 3: you want to be part of it we've gotten a pretty good process where we can get about pretty quickly

[1:37:44] Voice 3: so it might be

[1:37:46] Voice 3: way more powerful to have both of your teams

[1:37:48] Voice 3: on board.

[1:37:52] Voice 8: Any other

[1:37:53] Voice 8: parting comments? We're just

[1:37:56] Voice 8: running a little bit over but not too bad

[1:37:58] Voice 8: not for this group

[1:37:59] Voice 8: if not

[1:38:02] Voice 8: I'd entertain a

[1:38:04] Voice 8: motion to adjourn

[1:38:05] Voice 8: so moved by Commissioner Webster

[1:38:08] second by Commissioner Cornell

[1:38:10] all in favor of

[1:38:12] adjournment? Thank you

[1:38:14] we stand adjourned. I appreciate

[1:38:15] appreciate all of

[1:38:16] Voice 7: you coming and those of you who stuck it out from the bitter end

[1:38:20] Voice 8: thank you to all of you well done

[1:38:22] Voice 7: very well done it

[1:38:24] Voice 3: says we're not in meeting what did you want to

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
August 22, 2024 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes Special Meeting Joint with Island Trust 
 
 
Date: Thursday, August 22, 2024 
  
Location: SIMS Boardroom,  
124 Rainbow Road 
Salt Spring Island BC 
   
Members Present: 
 
 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
Jamie Harris, Local Trustee   
 
LCC Commissioners:  
 
 
 
 
 
Staff Present: 
Gary Holman (Director) 
Earl Rook 
Gayle Baker 
Ben Corno 
Brian Webster 
 
Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager  
Chris Buchan, Island Planner  
Rob Pingle, Legislative Clerk 
 
Guests:  Stephen Henderson, CRD Senior Manager, Real Estate, SGI Administration 
& SSI LCC 
Dan Ovington, CRD Senior Manager, SSI Administration 
MacKenzie Williamson, CRD Committee Clerk (Recorder) 
  
These minutes follow  the  order  of  the  agenda  although  the  sequence  may  have  varied. The  electronic 
meeting was live streamed and recorded. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
 The   meeting was   called to order   at 2:01 p.m. Commissioner   Rook   provided   a   Territorial 
Acknowledgement. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented.  
 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
 
3.1 Updating the Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw 

 
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 2 
August 22, 2024 
  
Discussion ensued regarding the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee (LTC) Official 
Community Plan (OCP) and Land Use Bylaw (LUB) update project 
- September/October engagement with Capital Regional District (CRD) regarding 
chosen indicators and draft map book  
- End of October projecting final next steps report from Trust staff 
- Subject area working groups may provide opportunity for Local Community 
Commission (LCC) input in future policy projects 
 
3.2 Short Term Vacation Rentals 
 
Discussion ensued regarding Short-Term Vacation Rentals  
- Request for Accommodation Group roundtable LCC to host 
- OCP update to include a technical working group 
- Provincial data sharing portal access requires municipalities to have business license 
program 
- Island Trust report regarding provincial bill 35 implications to Salt Spring Island to be 
reported on 
- LCC discussion regarding business licensing  
- Letter of advocacy to province for access to bill 35 data sharing portal 
 
3.3 Ganges Village Planning 
 
Discussion ensued regarding Ganges Village planning - Ganges village planning has been 
merged with OCP review 
 
3.4 Housing - Discussion 
 
Discussion ensued regarding Housing on Salt Spring Island.  
- LCC hosting discussion on developing an integrated housing strategy, Trustee Patrick 
and Planner Hutton invited 
- Island Trust Housing Needs Assessment request for proposals currently open 
 
3.5 Agency Meetings- UBCM 
 
Discussion ensued regarding the meetings that have been request with other agencies 
during Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM) Convention (Sept. 16- 20, 2024). 
 
3.6 Future joint meeting planning 
 
Discussion ensued regarding future meetings.  
- LTC hosting next joint meeting with the following possible discussion topics 
• Water 
• Housing 
• Bylaw Enforcement  
• Harbour Management  
• Joint Projects 
 

 
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 3 
August 22, 2024 
  
4. ADJOURNMENT 
 
  By general consent the meeting adjourned at 4:09 p.m. 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
_________________________ 
Rob Pingle, Legislative Clerk / Recorder