Islands Trust Council regular meeting, September 5, 2024

[0:00:00] your minute amendments

[0:00:01] Voice 10: just in case you start you're here

[0:00:04] Voice 11: right okay good morning everyone

[0:00:10] Voice 11: welcome to gabriel island uh local trust committee um today uh september the 5th

[0:00:18] Voice 11: already i must say it's um it's lovely my name is peter luck i'm chair of the gabriel

[0:00:24] Voice 11: trust committee many of you know me chair of council i live on tivis island and uh that's

[0:00:29] Voice 11: Lax in the Penelican Territory. And I'm grateful every day to wake up here in Coast

[0:00:35] Voice 11: Salish Territory and do the work that I do and live and try and make every effort to

[0:00:40] Voice 11: understand the history of this place, particularly that of the First Nations that have been here

[0:00:45] Voice 11: since time immemorial. And it's mornings like this when you realize, coming across

[0:00:51] Voice 11: from the ferry to Gabriel Island, looking at the landscape, what a rich, amazing place

[0:00:56] Voice 11: this is it's been the homeland of Coast Salish people forever and it's fall and the colors are

[0:01:02] Voice 11: so beautiful and it's so just wonderful to be here so I want to share that with you

[0:01:08] Voice 11: so let us uh go to the uh trustees uh Toby Ellen

[0:01:12] Voice 8: thanks everyone it's good to be with you today

[0:01:17] Voice 8: um thankful as always to be on in the name of First Nation Territory

[0:01:24] Voice 8: uh apologies for my rushed entrance and writing my report and suddenly realized the time so thank

[0:01:31] Voice 8: you for your patience good morning everyone um i was just thinking the same thing about

[0:01:38] Voice 8: fall coming and um us living in this beautiful place that has been looked after for so many

[0:01:45] Voice 8: centuries millennia really by first nations people and i really felt that last weekend when i visited

[0:01:51] Voice 8: Thetis Island and I was approaching Thetis and Fennelican Island and just I could just see this

[0:01:58] Voice 8: beautiful big wall of trees

[0:02:00] Voice 9: oh

[0:02:01] Voice 8: well you wouldn't really see that if you were approaching any of

[0:02:04] Voice 8: the metropolitan areas so

[0:02:06] Voice 8: when in fact we are doing something that you know matches what our

[0:02:11] Voice 8: mandate asks us to do sometimes it feels like it's a real it feels struggling but I really felt that

[0:02:17] Voice 8: when I visited and when I saw especially there's a young fellow from the

[0:02:22] Voice 8: Penelope tribe who works on the ferry and he has the best smile ever and I

[0:02:28] Voice 8: sort of got to know him over the years and that's how happy he was. So that made

[0:02:35] Voice 8: me feel pretty good.

[0:02:38] Voice 11: Indeed. Very good then. So I'll introduce Lisa Millar, our

[0:02:42] Voice 11: minute taker, technology administrator, magician of all things. Thank you. And Stephen Bout,

[0:02:50] Voice 11: our item planner today, representing the staff here. And I don't believe I see anybody else

[0:02:55] Voice 11: online. And so we're conducting our business right here today. Thank you, everyone. So we

[0:03:04] Voice 11: have an agenda before us. And I'll ask if there's any additions or deletions from the agenda.

[0:03:09] Voice 11: of that anybody okay then let's adopt the agenda um as presented and thank everybody for the

[0:03:19] Voice 11: preparation let us begin with um reports and so i have called the meeting to order we've adopted

[0:03:27] Voice 11: the agenda by uh john consent and so we'll begin with reports and trustee reports as well kick off

[0:03:33] Voice 11: who would like to go first where

[0:03:36] Voice 8: we go sure thank you okay well we despite it being summer we've

[0:03:41] Voice 8: been pretty busy i know i have not been too busy and i don't have deep toby but um it's been a good

[0:03:48] Voice 8: summer of um of getting things done and feeling like we are actually getting somewhere so um i'll

[0:03:55] Voice 8: comment on a couple of things we had um a committee of the whole meeting of which is trust council

[0:04:02] Voice 8: working as a committee in order to deal with the trust policy statement and make a few good

[0:04:09] Voice 8: decisions and then bring those to trust counsel for public purview. And what I found most

[0:04:16] Voice 8: interesting in that meeting was a discussion of the word colonialism and getting good advice from

[0:04:22] Voice 8: our senior Indigenous relations advisor, Joe Elliott, and then some trustees proceeding to

[0:04:28] Voice 8: completely ignore that advice and um yeah i wasn't too happy about that but i made my point

[0:04:35] Voice 8: and i thought there was excellent excellent support from most of the members of the

[0:04:42] Voice 8: committee of the whole to really take reconciliation seriously so yeah that was that was sort of what

[0:04:50] Voice 8: i took out of that meeting um last thursday august 29th i was invited to join our librarian kendra

[0:04:58] Voice 8: Runnels of the GLOW Festival. GLOW stands for Gabriel the Lanterns of Wonder. I think it's our

[0:05:07] Voice 8: second, maybe third. And I'm always up for a little enchantment and wonder making. It was so fun.

[0:05:14] Voice 8: And the evening began with the name of Knowledge Keeper, David Boyle. And he always offers such a

[0:05:21] Voice 8: warm greeting, also a big hug. So that was great. I've learned a lot from him over the years.

[0:05:28] Voice 8: He's been doing many things with the community and also at our school.

[0:05:32] Voice 8: So this past Saturday, the 31st,

[0:05:35] Voice 8: I was at the Saturday Farmer's Market with Planner Stephen Fowle.

[0:05:39] Voice 8: And I think we both enjoyed meeting a lot of people.

[0:05:44] Voice 8: How many did we talk to? 47, I think.

[0:05:48] Voice 8: 47, like pretty substantial conversations.

[0:05:51] Voice 8: It was really fun.

[0:05:53] Voice 8: Had some great talks.

[0:05:54] Voice 8: and the two that really stuck with me were a couple of young fellows one from Bowen Island

[0:06:01] Voice 8: who knew everything about the trust and who was so proud of his two local trustees as we are

[0:06:08] Voice 8: because we love working with them and another one was a woman who who knows a lot about policy

[0:06:15] Voice 8: and also environmental issues and you know we talked to her about realizing our goals and

[0:06:24] Voice 8: principles in the community plan how to actually get them to mean something with the land use bylaws

[0:06:30] Voice 8: and that was a good discussion too um so tomorrow we have a meeting a council to council meeting with

[0:06:39] Voice 8: the name of first nation or does that and then next thursday we have a meeting with the majang

[0:06:45] Voice 8: community association to discuss bylaw enforcement as it relates to their current ocp

[0:06:50] Voice 8: and i do spy law and then lastly oh i love this beautiful report from the gabriel health

[0:06:59] Voice 8: the health gabriel health and well-being report which me being who i am i always need a print

[0:07:06] Voice 8: copy of things

[0:07:07] Voice 8: like this um it's just a beautiful report it actually looks more like a trust

[0:07:12] Voice 8: conservancy report the front and the back photographs are so beautiful but it has such

[0:07:18] Voice 8: good information in it even a chapter on governance and civic engagement and voter turnout who would

[0:07:26] Voice 8: think

[0:07:27] Voice 9: so

[0:07:27] Voice 8: yeah excellent report I've already thanked them for that I intend to use it a lot

[0:07:34] Voice 8: in the next couple of years so that's it for me

[0:07:37] Voice 8: you sound like you've had a very full month right and I know that you're young enough you don't need

[0:07:51] Voice 8: It has been a full month, but not so many meetings.

[0:07:56] Voice 8: We just concluded our quarterly meeting regional planning committee yesterday.

[0:08:02] Voice 8: There were three significant pieces that we worked on.

[0:08:07] Voice 8: The bylaw enforcement review project.

[0:08:09] Voice 8: So that's following the on-goods person's review of our practices and policies, and we've been advancing, I think we're at the second stage now, where staff have come back with our by-law enforcement policy 5.5.1, a new draft to consider, and policy 7.1.2.

[0:08:32] Voice 8: and so right now we only have an administrative fairness complaints policy there isn't a general

[0:08:39] Voice 8: complaints policy and so that was an area that's really been lacking so there's a lot of discussion

[0:08:44] Voice 8: on that we are forwarding the we gave some comment and forwarding the amendments to those

[0:08:51] Voice 8: policies to council that'll be the body that has to approve it we also had a lot of discussion on

[0:08:58] Voice 8: bylaw compliance and enforcement best practices manual and that's sort of the

[0:09:05] Voice 8: forward-facing document for members of the public so how to work through the

[0:09:10] Voice 8: process, what are the different pieces, so policies to guide us and staff but the

[0:09:15] Voice 8: manual really should inform the public of what a fair process is and what

[0:09:20] Voice 8: their recourse is. That needs more work so we haven't yet forwarded it on to Trust

[0:09:26] Voice 8: council for comment we've asked for more plain languaging and um uh yeah some other work to be

[0:09:33] Voice 8: done and so that was by law enforcement review we had another big piece um well we asked for

[0:09:44] Voice 8: some reporting from um the islands trust right freshwater sustainability

[0:09:50] Voice 8: Sustainability Angelist, William Shulbaugh, on the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy

[0:09:57] Voice 8: Implementations. This is a large multi-year project that was kicked off in 2019, Peter?

[0:10:05] Voice 8: Do you remember when the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy really began?

[0:10:09] Voice 11: for yeah 2020 2019 and

[0:10:14] Voice 8: so there's been a raft of projects and different elements proceeding at

[0:10:21] Voice 8: different rates on different islands and it was really hard for current trustees to understand

[0:10:26] Voice 8: what is the current status we keep you know funding this uh strategy but um what is the

[0:10:33] Voice 8: work that's being done it's really hard to get um a view so we asked for sort of a draft

[0:10:39] Voice 8: implementation plan with a table that just summarizes all the projects and we aren't quite

[0:10:45] Voice 8: there yet um but what we were provided with which is very interesting if you want to go to the

[0:10:51] Voice 8: agenda to have a look um was this whole graph of all of the different programs for instance

[0:10:59] Voice 8: groundwater sustainability science is one whole program and in that has a bunch of different

[0:11:06] Voice 8: projects like aquifer conceptualization, groundwater region mapping, volunteer

[0:11:12] Voice 8: observation well monitoring, and then where those were started and when those

[0:11:16] Voice 8: were started and in what local trust areas. The part that we on Gabriela

[0:11:22] Voice 8: are most interested in, I would say, sorry I'm going back to the freshwater, the

[0:11:32] Voice 8: The Freshwater Balance Project is sort of what we're calling it.

[0:11:36] Voice 8: It's a leap off of the Groundwater Recharge Mapping Project.

[0:11:40] Voice 8: The final phases of that project are concluding this fiscal,

[0:11:44] Voice 8: and the Regional Planning Committee is going to get a compendium report from staff

[0:11:48] Voice 8: that collates all the reports, all the information from every project.

[0:11:52] Voice 8: So that's going to be a big piece of work to look forward to.

[0:11:55] Voice 8: But as we know, the Freshwater Balance Project on Gabriola,

[0:11:59] Voice 8: This is really going to be the demonstration project, sort of the case study for the Islands

[0:12:05] Voice 8: Trust as a whole, how to calculate fresh water, how do we understand, we know what water is

[0:12:12] Voice 8: going into the aquifers, we don't know what water is being used by farmers and residents

[0:12:19] Voice 8: and commercial.

[0:12:20] Voice 8: So the balance part of the project that can inform our planning through the land suitability

[0:12:26] Voice 8: analysis.

[0:12:28] Voice 8: So we had a lot of discussion on that. There's going to be, yeah, a set of workshops with

[0:12:38] Voice 8: staff and regional planning committee to triage priority islands to be included in the project.

[0:12:45] Voice 8: But we're really, William Shulbaugh is very keen on the work on Gabriela. He's already

[0:12:51] Voice 8: about the rfb out for the consultants to community consultants to to work with community members and

[0:12:58] Voice 8: get information from us and also a lot of scientists for calculating all that stuff

[0:13:05] Voice 8: so that's the big piece of work and then the last one which is a big piece that i've been working

[0:13:13] Voice 8: on basically all month um so i've been working with a group to understand the regulatory

[0:13:22] Voice 8: environment for tiny homes why are the barriers to legalizing tiny homes as a form of housing

[0:13:30] Voice 8: um this is the question that i've been studying for many years um it's in our housing action

[0:13:37] Voice 8: strategic action plan action 26 is to advocate to the province uh for any amendments that might

[0:13:44] Voice 8: be necessary to allow or enable tiny homes in the trust area and so um trustees we decided to start

[0:13:51] Voice 8: a working group to really bang our heads against the question i guess because just giving it to

[0:13:57] Voice 8: planners to go back to the province and ask would you amend the code that's already been done we

[0:14:02] Voice 8: weren't we're not interested in that so we developed this big map what is what are all

[0:14:09] Voice 8: All the problems, the questions was, what has all the research been done to date?

[0:14:14] Voice 8: In particular, we looked at a really great report from 2022 for the Salt Spring Island Housing Action Task Force that was done by a builder.

[0:14:24] Voice 8: And we compared the LISI building code and environmental outcomes of conventional houses versus tiny homes on wheels.

[0:14:31] Voice 8: basically found that finding homes on wheels or users is about 20% of what a

[0:14:37] Voice 8: conventional home would use. You think of water and sewer and building

[0:14:42] Voice 8: materials. And this report was kind of buried and nobody did anything with it

[0:14:47] Voice 8: and as we started to read it, it was like wow, there's a lot here that's really

[0:14:50] Voice 8: applicable to the Adventist Trust. So we've, our group has recommended an

[0:14:56] Voice 8: approach to regional planning committee that advocacy to the province could

[0:15:01] Voice 8: could center on creating a manual of alternative solutions

[0:15:06] Voice 8: for tiny homes on wheels to meet BC building code.

[0:15:09] Voice 8: So I won't get into it, but it's a lot of nerdy detail.

[0:15:13] Voice 8: I have a couple of questions for you on that,

[0:15:15] Voice 8: because first of all, are you going to be discussing this at UBCM?

[0:15:18] Voice 8: Yeah, so we've asked for, yeah, that was my next point.

[0:15:22] Voice 8: We didn't get meetings with ministry, like Minister of Housing,

[0:15:27] Voice 8: but we're asking for meetings with ministry housing staff

[0:15:29] Voice 8: staff and that specifically so the ask is not to amend the code they don't want to amend the code

[0:15:36] Voice 8: it's a created guide similar to the manual for composting toilets and gray water practice like

[0:15:42] Voice 8: what are the alternative solutions that the code allows for already that would enable tiny homes

[0:15:50] Voice 8: and so the province keeps saying tiny homes are being built they must meet health and safety

[0:15:56] Voice 8: but it sort of refuses to offer guidance on that so we're going to sort of push that because

[0:16:03] Voice 8: tiny homes and the gulf islands kind of make sense because we're precluded from any other

[0:16:09] Voice 8: one of those housing density increase right so among those same lines i remember reading that

[0:16:16] Voice 8: one of the reasons the province doesn't like tiny homes is because they're not safe because you can't

[0:16:20] Voice 8: get out in time because the ceiling is too close and there'll be fire houses all this stuff yeah

[0:16:24] Voice 8: And they've just approved, for the province, a six-story building with a single exit.

[0:16:30] Voice 8: They meant the code all would come.

[0:16:33] Voice 8: Well, it's not even that complicated.

[0:16:36] Voice 8: You can read the functional statements and objectives of the code, like for health and safety.

[0:16:42] Voice 8: You can provide an alternative solution.

[0:16:45] Voice 8: And the code has allowed for two-by-four wallpapers forever until they change it to two-by-six.

[0:16:50] Voice 8: so functionally that can be but it's a conversation with building inspectors so we're also advocating

[0:16:57] Voice 8: for a round table with technical people party and building inspectors because we have to work

[0:17:03] Voice 8: together on what would a solution look like anyways it was a great discussion everybody

[0:17:09] Voice 8: was super enthusiastic about it if peter you were there and they just everyone's like yes

[0:17:14] Voice 8: Yes, how do we make this work?

[0:17:16] Voice 8: I thought it was going to come back to Trust Council with a specific request to use some funding

[0:17:22] Voice 8: that was sort of earmarked for housing affordability, but we want to use it specifically to advance some roundtables.

[0:17:30] Voice 8: So that will come back to Trust Council.

[0:17:32] Voice 8: Okay, yes. August 22nd, we met while saying camera.

[0:17:36] Voice 8: just wanted to share the update also that we discussed strategies for structuring debate on

[0:17:43] Voice 8: the next conversations with policy statements and how are we going to move through all these

[0:17:47] Voice 8: different elements we've been focused on um things that we need legal advice on first but then there's

[0:17:54] Voice 8: a whole lot of other policy objectives so i get the honor of chairing um the committee

[0:18:02] Voice 8: the whole meeting address council um policy statement objective three which is preserving

[0:18:07] Voice 8: and protecting the ecosystems chairing just means i get to be quiet and listen so but i'm going to

[0:18:16] Voice 8: have to be special say a lot request for you when as a chair you will keep only what is absolutely

[0:18:23] Voice 8: necessary in camera and i know you oh yeah because both you and i have spoken out about these meetings

[0:18:29] Voice 8: like this does not need to be in here yes exactly so this is

[0:18:33] Voice 8: this is going to be a definitely an

[0:18:34] Voice 8: open discussion and hearing the debate of on objective three so that's upcoming

[0:18:41] Voice 8: um and i've been working while peter you can share on cohc maybe financial planning committee

[0:18:49] Voice 8: been met august 28th we are we for the first time um asking trust council to set some guidelines

[0:19:00] Voice 8: for budget deliberations so we have always operated on budget assumptions assumptions

[0:19:06] Voice 8: and principles here's your baseline of assumptions you know interest goes up or

[0:19:11] Voice 8: you know we know we're going to get this much from the province those are assumptions

[0:19:14] Voice 8: but Trust Council really needs to decide some guidelines like are we just funding

[0:19:21] Voice 8: elements of the strategic plan? Are we going to cap any new staff positions?

[0:19:28] Voice 8: That kind of thing because we always get into a battle in December and February and

[0:19:34] Voice 8: it's crunch time and we're trying to cut 5,000 here and 4,000 here but really we

[0:19:39] Voice 8: have guidelines that we've set up ahead of time that can really support our

[0:19:44] Voice 8: decision making at FBC which we only give recommendations to Council. And then

[0:19:50] Voice 8: finally I've applied for the Connext climate preparedness hub to participate

[0:19:56] Voice 8: that was offered to all local governments. It's funded by the Fraser Basin

[0:20:02] Voice 8: Institute and really it's to give us tools to help work with community groups

[0:20:07] Voice 8: and communities to prepare for climate change and what we need to do. I know

[0:20:13] Voice 8: Salt Springs participating um and Trustee Morrison from North Pender and uh there's five sessions so

[0:20:21] Voice 8: I've reached out to the climate 2012 group and a few of them will be joining and uh so we'll be

[0:20:27] Voice 8: bringing information back to the community um starts in November and finally we're

[0:20:34] Voice 8: we have got a date potentially for the dust and bones screening I've been working with

[0:20:40] Voice 8: staff and community members. So we're looking at Fianna Fáil 2024, but I still have to confirm with Elder Chowdhury her availability, but we're looking to book it at the Phoenix.

[0:20:53] Voice 8: So that would be a screening of it now, with a panel discussion, sending out elders talking about protection of cultural heritage and handling sacred remains.

[0:21:02] Voice 8: things. And that's it. I'm sure there's more, but email or message me if you want any updates

[0:21:11] Voice 8: on my dialogue, especially. I've been very involved with much back and forth.

[0:21:18] Voice 11: Okay, thank you very much, both of you. So my report, both of you touched on some of the elements

[0:21:25] Voice 11: that I might speak to, but I'll just summarize activities within the Federation that are ongoing

[0:21:31] Voice 11: going to the committee level, the governance committee continues to take on some heavy

[0:21:38] Voice 11: lifting associated with the governance review that was done a number of years ago. And I'll

[0:21:43] Voice 11: just say from historically, you know, we have looked at the interpretation of the act and

[0:21:50] Voice 11: the sexual therapy particularly. And although we might have an understanding, it certainly

[0:21:54] Voice 11: left a gap with our communities to share what that understanding actually is. And very much

[0:22:00] Voice 11: to the point of having in-camera conversation isn't helpful for the public to understand and

[0:22:05] Voice 11: so there's a hurdle there that i think that we need to overcome in order to um support from the

[0:22:11] Voice 11: community um the corporate plan work is spearheaded by the financial planning committee and the

[0:22:18] Voice 11: governance committee is a direction to take and um certainly a provincial ask has been uh recently

[0:22:24] Voice 11: some work done there with respect to how the products

[0:22:30] Voice 11: funds the Islands Trust,

[0:22:31] Voice 11: because there's certainly some obvious problems

[0:22:32] Voice 11: associated with that.

[0:22:36] Voice 11: I'll just in sequential order, mostly through the month,

[0:22:39] Voice 11: that was shortly after Gabrielle LTC.

[0:22:42] Voice 11: I actually attended the Mount Aerosmith Biosphere Reserve

[0:22:46] Voice 11: open house in Qualicum to be greeted by a number of people

[0:22:51] Voice 11: that I know, because I sit on that round table

[0:22:53] Voice 11: and it was really important for me to go there. I actually went and camped at the Englishman River

[0:22:58] Voice 11: Falls with my wife and enjoyed that and partook in that event in town. They've got a beautiful

[0:23:04] Voice 11: little house there that was somehow acquired or donated or leased somehow, that it's going to be

[0:23:10] Voice 11: the educational center, an awareness building center of the Mount Mary Smith Thais Reserve.

[0:23:15] Voice 11: reserve and the most significant moment there was an elder drummer from the Qualicum nation

[0:23:23] Voice 11: welcomed us and sang us a couple of songs and interesting that the Qualicum language

[0:23:31] Voice 11: was declared extinct years ago and he and others took that to the province and said

[0:23:38] Voice 11: I am a Qualicum person and my language is not extinct. And

[0:23:43] Voice 11: so the Qualicum language is now

[0:23:46] Voice 11: officially a language. And language is so critically important, particularly out here.

[0:23:52] Voice 11: It's the oral history of the place. And so they're rebuilding their language from the memories of

[0:24:01] Voice 11: elders and relations in other communities to establish that Qualicum language. And for me,

[0:24:08] Voice 11: that's really important i was involved in language work when i worked at collection tribes and it's

[0:24:12] Voice 11: really important and i actually i'm so ever so grateful that toby often will um greet you in

[0:24:19] Voice 11: hulk medium at the beginning of our immediate meetings and so it's good i'll see him thank you

[0:24:26] Voice 11: um we need the whole this is a new thing the council's been doing and we've just recently

[0:24:34] Voice 11: as toby expressed we did the review of the policy statement work this is a really great

[0:24:40] Voice 11: informal conversation structure used in municipalities uh very regularly that we've

[0:24:46] Voice 11: only just started to um dabble in and we're learning as we go how it applies to us and

[0:24:52] Voice 11: it's difficult for trustees to get out of the mode of making decisions um and the committee

[0:24:57] Voice 11: the whole doesn't make decisions it makes recommendations that then council would

[0:25:01] Voice 11: undertake the recommendations accordingly so that's great uh first programs committee

[0:25:06] Voice 11: committee met recently, some of that work around the policy statements undertaken by

[0:25:12] Voice 11: them, financial planning committee getting ready for budget preparation, and trust council

[0:25:18] Voice 11: coming up. The COHC hiring committee continues to progress down that avenue, and certainly

[0:25:24] Voice 11: I'm hopeful that very soon we might announce a new CAO, but I can't say much about that

[0:25:31] Voice 11: because it's all in camera naturally um but uh good work really enjoying working with this body

[0:25:37] Voice 11: which is the executive committee and all the chairs of the council committees in my mind it's

[0:25:43] Voice 11: really the leadership team

[0:25:44] Voice 9: of

[0:25:45] Voice 11: islands trust and there'll be more conversation about that later

[0:25:49] Voice 11: i've got a lot of ruminations on that but really enjoying and working with that body regional plan

[0:25:54] Voice 11: committee as mentioned chaired very ably by um by i want to say ben planning

[0:26:01] Voice 8: sam yeah sam

[0:26:03] Voice 11: uh yesterday has a regional planning chair um laura patrick is away and hopefully back

[0:26:09] Voice 11: thank you by the way we're here today um and thank you uh for reminding me about the

[0:26:19] Voice 11: conversation around colonialism and actually that it slipped my mind because when i came away from

[0:26:25] Voice 11: up in that conversation is colonial the word colonialism was used in a policy statement

[0:26:29] Voice 11: 20 times 17 17 times and so warrants a definition in some people's minds and not in others and then

[0:26:38] Voice 11: of course the concept of decolonizing came up well

[0:26:42] Voice 11: you have to have a definition i think a

[0:26:44] Voice 11: colonization if you're going to decolonize something yeah so um it's a really rich deep

[0:26:51] Voice 11: deep conversation. I just recently started participating in the culturally committed

[0:26:57] Voice 11: group. Toby's been involved in that for some time, but I just haven't been able to free up the time

[0:27:02] Voice 11: to be involved. And I'm certainly getting all of the online materials, and it's just so deep

[0:27:06] Voice 11: and so rich. Lots of conversations and thinking that helps us become aware of our colonial place

[0:27:14] Voice 11: in

[0:27:15] Voice 9: the

[0:27:16] Voice 11: fabric of this amazing landscape so that's it for me um always happy to chat with folks

[0:27:22] Voice 11: um so uh let us move along electoral area director i don't think we have a report at

[0:27:29] Voice 11: this time around which is unusual um but certainly grateful to vanessa um for her work on

[0:27:37] Voice 11: on Gabrielle LTC's part,

[0:27:41] Voice 11: and look forward to seeing her actually at UBCM for sure,

[0:27:44] Voice 11: and other things as we advance.

[0:27:49] Voice 11: So First Nations reporting,

[0:27:51] Voice 11: this is a holding place here for the opportunities

[0:27:54] Voice 11: where we might be much more engaged with the nations,

[0:27:57] Voice 11: and we look forward to having some reporting there

[0:27:59] Voice 11: in the future, but there's nothing on our agenda today.

[0:28:02] Voice 11: Moving to public comment period, this is your,

[0:28:05] Voice 11: We've talked too much already, and so I have anyway.

[0:28:09] Voice 11: And so opportunities now for you to speak to items that are on today's agenda,

[0:28:15] Voice 11: items that may not be on today's agenda but are in stream,

[0:28:18] Voice 11: work that we're working on,

[0:28:20] Voice 11: or other issues that is a responsibility within the jurisdiction

[0:28:25] Voice 11: of the Alms Trust, we're really happy to hear from you.

[0:28:27] Voice 11: So, folks, raise your hand if you're inclined to address the local

[0:28:31] Voice 11: talk to me today good morning yes for the record you're staging uh

[0:28:36] Voice 5: yes i'm deborah ference and um

[0:28:40] Voice 5: i thank you for this opportunity to make some public comments and comments on three agenda

[0:28:45] Voice 5: items but don't worry it's only one page long so um i want to go on forever and i do have

[0:28:52] Voice 5: copies for everyone so i'll pass those around as soon as i'm finished so um there's three

[0:28:58] Voice 5: three staff reports that I just wanted to read comments on.

[0:29:02] Voice 5: The first one is the OCP and LWB review project

[0:29:07] Voice 5: on the business case.

[0:29:09] Voice 5: And thank you for including the reviews

[0:29:11] Voice 5: of DPAs in phase three.

[0:29:14] Voice 5: DPAs are one of the best tools that the Alamance Trust have

[0:29:17] Voice 5: for protection and preservation

[0:29:19] Voice 5: of terrestrial and marine ecosystems.

[0:29:22] Voice 5: And just for your knowledge,

[0:29:24] Voice 5: there is a focus group emerging to focus on DPAs.

[0:29:29] Voice 5: We are planning to meet soon and will submit comments to the local trust committee

[0:29:34] Voice 5: and hopefully as part of the fall engagement schedule.

[0:29:38] Voice 9: And

[0:29:38] Voice 5: you can contact me if it's helpful to have that link.

[0:29:44] Voice 5: On the staff report on dark sky principles,

[0:29:48] Voice 5: I support Trust Council's dark sky principles adoption advocacy,

[0:29:53] Voice 5: specifically to collectively engage in conversation around Northside principles.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: adoption with relevant regional districts for the LTC to work in our community to develop and

[0:30:09] Voice 5: build awareness and encourage voluntary adoption of the principles of dark sky international

[0:30:18] Voice 5: and that trust council clarify its jurisdiction to control nighttime illumination in all contexts

[0:30:25] Voice 5: within the trust area for OCP and by-law, by-law adoption and enforcement across the trust area.

[0:30:34] Voice 5: So this has always been very close to my heart for the many, many years around the Dark Sky principles.

[0:30:40] Voice 5: And my final one is on the staff report on the Ecological Protection Zone project.

[0:30:47] Voice 5: I am still holding out for this establishment of an Ecological Protection Zone.

[0:30:54] Voice 5: zone. And I'm just going to end by, when I was thinking about this, reading a couple

[0:31:02] Voice 5: of shorter paragraphs from a letter that I submitted to the LTC regarding the value and

[0:31:08] Voice 5: significance of this type of zone, written back in November of 2019. So that's five years

[0:31:14] Voice 5: ago before COVID, when we were just sort of still starting to introduce and follow through

[0:31:22] Voice 5: through on this kind of project.

[0:31:26] Voice 5: So this is from that letter.

[0:31:28] Voice 5: All the current existing Gabriel parks

[0:31:30] Voice 5: are for people and human interest,

[0:31:33] Voice 5: and that includes all our provincial parks,

[0:31:35] Voice 5: regional parks, and community parks.

[0:31:37] Voice 5: We've got almost every conceivable representative

[0:31:40] Voice 5: park type, and they are all for people's enjoyment

[0:31:42] Voice 5: and recreation benefit and use.

[0:31:45] Voice 5: We have hiking trails, tennis courts, baseball times,

[0:31:48] Voice 5: playgrounds, golf courses, campgrounds.

[0:31:51] Voice 5: We can access beaches on all sides of the island for swimming and seaside enjoyment.

[0:31:56] Voice 5: These parks aren't just for Gabrielans.

[0:31:59] Voice 5: We welcome and promote them to visitors from around the world.

[0:32:04] Voice 5: The protected land that Gabriel needs is for wild spaces.

[0:32:08] Voice 5: Ecological reserves that do not permit any human activity or access.

[0:32:13] Voice 5: Infrastructure of any kind.

[0:32:14] Voice 5: Development or tourism.

[0:32:16] Voice 5: No blinds to peered animals.

[0:32:18] Voice 5: What we need is significant nature reserves, the sole intent of which is for wildlife habitat

[0:32:25] Voice 5: and undisturbed areas restricted for nature's sole domain.

[0:32:31] Voice 5: I still feel strong about that.

[0:32:33] Voice 5: Thank you all for your ongoing hard work.

[0:32:37] Voice 5: I appreciate it very much.

[0:32:39] Voice 5: Now I'll just pass these copies over to you.

[0:32:43] Voice 5: Thank

[0:32:43] Voice 11: you very much, Deb.

[0:32:44] Voice 11: Nice to see you again.

[0:32:46] Voice 8: may i just comment thank you so much deborah and uh deborah parents is a past trustee

[0:32:52] Voice 9: for

[0:32:53] Voice 8: the agriola and um often attends with some great words of wisdom i was just going to

[0:32:58] Voice 8: mention that the dark sky principle adoption advocacy for me that needs to go right into the

[0:33:05] Voice 8: trust policy statement because that's the that's the thing that guides our ocp

[0:33:10] Voice 8: in a land use bylaw and if council does decide to advocate to you know just just adopt the principle

[0:33:19] Voice 8: um i think it needs to go into our policy statement but i have said that before and i'll

[0:33:24] Voice 8: probably say it again

[0:33:25] Voice 9: good thought

[0:33:29] Voice 8: okay yeah thank you all

[0:33:33] Voice 11: right anybody else wish to address

[0:33:34] Voice 11: the local trust community today so

[0:33:36] Voice 11: right

[0:33:38] Voice 1: i'll introduce myself eric anderson

[0:33:42] Voice 1: formerly a federal economist um and other things and first off i want to thank you for taking the

[0:33:52] Voice 1: time out to do this because uh conversations of this kind are absolutely vital in a vibrant

[0:34:00] Voice 1: economy and also vibrant democracy. Those are important things. So thank you. I have

[0:34:09] Voice 1: a couple of things I'd like to leave with you in this conversation. We have come to

[0:34:20] Voice 1: a time in the world where there's been a huge concentration of wealth in few hands.

[0:34:28] Voice 1: This is documented by French economists and it's in print as of the beginning of the century.

[0:34:38] Voice 1: So if you need more about that I can give it to you. But the difficulty with that transition

[0:34:45] Voice 1: and it's still more or less still underway is that you have a concentration of political power

[0:34:54] Voice 1: and economic power. So the concentration tends to not serve the broader public very well. It's

[0:35:06] Voice 1: unfair distribution. There are two measures that are used internationally of fairness. One is

[0:35:18] Voice 1: something called a Gini coefficient. The other one is from an earlier time, it's a different

[0:35:27] Voice 1: kind of coefficient. Both Italian and origination because the Italian had a lot to do with

[0:35:40] Voice 1: mathematics, and these give you a sense of the fairness across a broad society.

[0:35:50] Voice 1: So if you look at, for example, if you look at Statistics Canada, you will see they produce

[0:35:59] Voice 1: a Gini coefficient, G-I-N-I, and they start off by telling you that it's 0.4, but then

[0:36:14] Voice 1: they get in there, like humans like to, and start to play with the numbers so that when

[0:36:23] Voice 1: they finish up with that adjustment, if you want to call it loosely, we're at 0.3.

[0:36:35] Voice 1: The hard-pressed parts of the world are typically at 0.4 or larger,

[0:36:42] Voice 1: and the more successful societies in the world are at typically 0.25, 0.24, 0.26.

[0:36:55] Voice 1: So that would mean Scandinavian countries qualify, some European countries qualify.

[0:37:02] Voice 1: Just to give you an idea of fairness,

[0:37:03] Voice 1: It's how the gross domestic product of a country is distributed among the population.

[0:37:13] Voice 1: Because of this concentration of wealth issue, a lot of funny things have been going on in the financial world that are hurtful to people.

[0:37:28] Voice 1: so locally we've seen our so-called real estate valuations increase explode and the consequences

[0:37:42] Voice 1: are taxation has followed it so you're heading into a time when more and more people are put

[0:37:53] Voice 1: but on the street.

[0:37:55] Voice 1: So these kinds of things,

[0:37:57] Voice 1: I think you should be aware of that is going on right now

[0:38:01] Voice 1: and has been going on since 1970.

[0:38:06] Voice 1: Now, I wanna talk about water.

[0:38:09] Voice 1: There are societies in the world, island societies,

[0:38:21] Voice 1: where they have a history documented

[0:38:24] Voice 1: of they're dealing with the same issue that we are now dealing with.

[0:38:31] Voice 1: In other words, there are people in front of us that have long gone before us

[0:38:35] Voice 1: and have ended up in various places in that process.

[0:38:40] Voice 1: I'll give you one example that I personally would...

[0:38:46] Voice 8: Could we

[0:38:46] Voice 8: stick to the Gabriel...

[0:38:47] Voice 8: Pardon me?

[0:38:49] Voice 8: Could we stick to the Gabriel local trust area?

[0:38:52] Voice 1: No, no.

[0:38:53] Voice 1: I want to give you a metaphor.

[0:38:54] Voice 1: war. The

[0:38:57] Voice 1: island I'm thinking about is Guernsey.

[0:39:02] Voice 1: Now, in the last

[0:39:06] Voice 1: century, like about 1960,

[0:39:10] Voice 1: 70, I had a friend who migrated

[0:39:15] Voice 1: from the Netherlands to Guernsey

[0:39:18] Voice 1: for the purpose of growing tomatoes and flowers.

[0:39:25] Voice 1: That was their business. And they set

[0:39:29] Voice 1: up in Guernsey and succeeded. Peter made good money. But with the concentration of population

[0:39:41] Voice 1: growing in Guernsey, they had to go through a lot of different steps and every step was

[0:39:49] Voice 1: expensive to the point where Peter quit growing. He abandoned his, shut his greenhouses down

[0:39:58] Voice 1: and he stopped growing, stopped producing something that somebody wanted, tomatoes, roses.

[0:40:07] Voice 1: So what do Guernsey do?

[0:40:09] Voice 1: They become a tax-aider haven.

[0:40:14] Voice 1: That was their solution to a water problem.

[0:40:18] Voice 1: It's documented.

[0:40:20] Voice 1: They were the first people in Europe to try it or in the UK to try out desalination.

[0:40:26] Voice 1: they started out by capturing water from ditches and saving, trying to save it that way.

[0:40:36] Voice 1: And the only way you can get on that island right now, or recently,

[0:40:41] Voice 1: is you've got to show the people on the island that you have $10 million of cash money in a local bank.

[0:40:52] Voice 1: That's your entry to the island. And if you're colored, forget it.

[0:40:55] Voice 1: Now, that's one society that's gone that route, and they ended up being a tax haven.

[0:41:04] Voice 1: You look at the gross domestic product of all around the world, different countries,

[0:41:11] Voice 1: one of the standouts is they're all in tax havens, big gross domestic products per capita.

[0:41:23] Voice 1: that. So, these are things that other people have learned. I've spent time on certain here.

[0:41:33] Voice 6: Sorry, but what does this have to do with Gabriela?

[0:41:36] Voice 1: Make your pardon?

[0:41:37] Voice 6: What does this have to do with Gabriela? I'm missing the analogy.

[0:41:40] Voice 1: Well, I think you get value out of knowing the experiences and what other people have learned

[0:41:48] Voice 1: that are older societies than us.

[0:41:52] Voice 1: And I think that helps you define

[0:41:56] Voice 1: where you're going to likely want to go or can go.

[0:42:01] Voice 1: I think history is a place where you get learning from.

[0:42:06] Voice 8: So your point, sir, is that we should learn from other islands

[0:42:10] Voice 8: of how they are protecting their watersheds?

[0:42:13] Voice 1: Well, I think the point is that you should recognize

[0:42:17] Voice 1: you'll run into limitations.

[0:42:19] Voice 9: that

[0:42:20] Voice 1: other people long before you have experienced, and are trying to deal with.

[0:42:27] Voice 6: Thank you. That's a good point.

[0:42:33] Voice 1: So, just to capture, finish off, I think that the people who are on this island,

[0:42:42] Voice 1: and I've been here since the 90s, are kind of satisfied.

[0:42:51] Voice 1: They see themselves as living in an ideal situation, and it's important for people who are planning, like you, Stephen, to not give up the values that attract the people first and keep them here.

[0:43:11] Voice 1: But if there's anything to do, it's to build on those values.

[0:43:20] Voice 11: Well, thank you very much for that bit of knowledge.

[0:43:24] Voice 11: and top 100 tax havens in the world are actually British colonies so interesting thank you for

[0:43:33] Voice 11: that so anybody else wish to address the LTC today I

[0:43:38] Voice 7: just want to talk about sustaining

[0:43:40] Voice 7: island character and healthy communities this might be touching on your point Eric

[0:43:45] Voice 3: um

[0:43:46] Voice 7: i think the rich do own this and they're ruining it

[0:43:52] Voice 9: and

[0:43:53] Voice 7: uh it's increasing industrial

[0:43:55] Voice 7: traffic as well as regular traffic there's anger worldwide that is on gay girl as well

[0:44:04] Voice 7: and i think we have a lot of people who drive angry and they're not careful with pedestrians

[0:44:11] Voice 7: pedestrians and cyclists. And I think we have to make active transportation a priority and put wheels or wheeled transportation second.

[0:44:24] Voice 7: We need your name, Jan,

[0:44:26] Voice 8: just for the record.

[0:44:28] Voice 8: Jan Moore.

[0:44:29] Voice 11: Thank you. And thank you for your correspondence,

[0:44:34] Voice 11: which is in the package today.

[0:44:39] Voice 11: of trustees if they have any remarks and we'll address the correspondence when we get there

[0:44:44] Voice 11: thank you for being here today there

[0:44:48] Voice 8: is um a new sort of um bike to the old group

[0:44:54] Voice 8: i know it gets formed on on facebook but they're they're really promoting the interests of bike

[0:45:01] Voice 8: users and uh they want to if they are interested in modeling and activism i'd send them you can

[0:45:07] Voice 8: links to um there are two grants that are open right now uh from the provincial government uh

[0:45:14] Voice 8: vote ministry of transportation to develop transportation networks it's a network

[0:45:19] Voice 8: learning grant and infrastructure grant we can't have an infrastructure grant until we

[0:45:24] Voice 8: do an update to our um cycle path the whole network the critical issue that has been identified

[0:45:33] Voice 8: by many, many, many transportation aware avenues is the path from the ferry up that is very

[0:45:43] Voice 8: unsafe. So that I know is priority number one. I'd encourage the group to work with

[0:45:49] Voice 8: us if we can get an application together. I'm not sure for this intake. I do strongly

[0:45:56] Voice 8: they see that we need an active transportation plan um hands trust can apply for that but we need

[0:46:03] Voice 8: people to work with us on that so i'm keeping my ears and eyes very wide open

[0:46:09] Voice 8: how we can support that thank you i know you are too i am too and i forwarded that to ivan

[0:46:17] Voice 8: who's the chair of the committee so

[0:46:19] Voice 9: we're

[0:46:20] Voice 8: on it and

[0:46:22] Voice 7: thank you for all of your hard work

[0:46:25] Voice 11: It's

[0:46:26] Voice 7: a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

[0:46:29] Voice 8: Anybody

[0:46:30] Voice 11: else wish to address the LTC today?

[0:46:33] Voice 11: No?

[0:46:35] Voice 11: Okay, then let us continue on with our agenda then.

[0:46:39] Voice 11: This brings us to the minutes section of our agenda,

[0:46:44] Voice 11: and we have the special meeting minutes dated July the 16th.

[0:46:48] Voice 11: They're here for adoption.

[0:46:49] Voice 11: Toby, you have sent in some corrections for the minutes,

[0:46:55] Voice 11: And I've actually earlier asked that Lisa and Susan,

[0:47:00] Voice 11: if there were any concerns with those amendments.

[0:47:02] Voice 11: So I think that's fine.

[0:47:04] Voice 8: They're all good.

[0:47:05] Voice 8: Do I need to read them out for the record or?

[0:47:07] Voice 8: I think

[0:47:07] Voice 11: we can just receive those to save a little bit of time.

[0:47:11] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:47:12] Voice 9: And

[0:47:12] Voice 11: that the minutes will be apparent.

[0:47:16] Voice 9: Great.

[0:47:16] Voice 11: Is there any concerns with that?

[0:47:19] Voice 11: Let's say you've received that and you'll be able to adjust the minutes accordingly.

[0:47:23] Voice 11: Okay, that's great.

[0:47:24] Voice 11: Susan, anything else in addition?

[0:47:26] Voice 11: No,

[0:47:27] Voice 8: mine is on the next one.

[0:47:29] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:47:29] Voice 11: So then if that's all right, then I'll suggest that the special meeting minutes of July the 16th be adopted as amended.

[0:47:39] Voice 11: That's great. Thank you.

[0:47:41] Voice 11: So on page 11 of the package is the local trust committee minutes of August the 8th, our last meeting.

[0:47:47] Voice 11: And Susan, Nate, you have an adjustment.

[0:47:49] Voice 11: just a

[0:47:50] Voice 8: really quick it's kind of like a typo on page 12 of our agenda package page two of those

[0:47:57] Voice 8: minutes um i was reporting on the advisory committee and the terminal upgrades scheduled

[0:48:05] Voice 8: for 2026 and um that first bullet there is the nine ball harbor terminal birth will be realigned

[0:48:12] Voice 8: and a lay-by-berth, not just a lay-berth.

[0:48:16] Voice 8: It's a lay-by-berth, and that's where they park over the day.

[0:48:20] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:48:23] Voice 8: That's it.

[0:48:24] Voice 8: Done.

[0:48:25] Voice 11: Nothing else, Toby?

[0:48:27] Voice 11: No.

[0:48:27] Voice 11: Then I will then take it then that the minutes of August the 8th

[0:48:31] Voice 11: be adopted as amended also by general consideration.

[0:48:35] Voice 11: So no reports on resolution without meetings,

[0:48:38] Voice 11: no reports from advisory planning commissions,

[0:48:41] Voice 11: and this brings us to our follow-up action list dated August the 27th and I'll just look briefly

[0:48:48] Voice 11: to staff if that's current there's no further amendments to the follow-up action list it is yes

[0:48:54] Voice 11: it is all right thank you so I'll turn to trustees if you have any questions with respect to the

[0:48:59] Voice 11: follow-up action list on page 18 agenda you know computer software changes according to the whim

[0:49:17] Voice 11: of the provider the tab key has always been an important mechanism to go from one section to

[0:49:25] Voice 11: another well adobe has decided that the tab key is no longer relevant oh

[0:49:29] Voice 6: no yes exactly

[0:49:30] Voice 6: you have

[0:49:32] Voice 11: to hit return and it drives me crazy really

[0:49:35] Voice 8: oh i do and that gets you in trouble on other things

[0:49:39] Voice 8: if you turn instead of tab the tab jumps three things in the head that's weird yeah

[0:49:45] Voice 8: uh so

[0:49:48] Voice 11: are we satisfied you received the follow-up actually

[0:49:50] Voice 8: yeah i just would uh sorry page 21 at

[0:49:55] Voice 8: the bottom of uh the last point yeah i believe this is addressed so it probably will follow

[0:50:02] Voice 8: up the action list the dbp 2023.3 miller um yes do we need an update for the general public i mean

[0:50:12] Voice 8: i don't know where things are at but um i

[0:50:15] Voice 2: was yeah i was just going to ask the through the chair of

[0:50:17] Voice 2: the ltc is just once that removed um i've been speaking with the planner signed this application

[0:50:23] Voice 2: i understand it will be on your november i joined up um so that would be the culture

[0:50:29] Voice 2: sure. Okay, right. Come back

[0:50:32] Voice 2: to us for a decision to complete

[0:50:34] Voice 2: it and take us through less of us. Okay, right.

[0:50:37] Voice 2: Right.

[0:50:39] Voice 11: Okay. And so for the benefit of the public, the LTC

[0:50:42] Voice 11: had considered this and had recommended that applicant

[0:50:46] Voice 11: communicate with Senegal First Nations regarding their

[0:50:49] Voice 11: requirements for a permit. And

[0:50:52] Voice 11: that has happened. And

[0:50:54] Voice 11: And fortunately, Ms. Menebo has no immediate concerns with respect to it and also did waive the fees.

[0:51:02] Voice 11: And so this will now advance back to our consideration, as Stephen has advised us, will be our next meeting.

[0:51:10] Voice 11: So that's fantastic. That's a good news story.

[0:51:12] Voice 11: We

[0:51:12] Voice 8: appreciate the applicant's patience.

[0:51:15] Voice 8: I had a conversation with our PM, Gemara, about this.

[0:51:19] Voice 8: us and we we have some work to do with communicating our processes what happened with this application

[0:51:26] Voice 8: was it coincided with how the name of it was a change

[0:51:31] Voice 8: came in and there was a change so there

[0:51:35] Voice 8: has been um we need to provide more clarity to applicants about the process and that's learning

[0:51:40] Voice 8: that we've done because of this one but we've been paying more for the application

[0:51:47] Voice 11: so we could

[0:51:48] Voice 11: read that our meeting even involved to say that we'd like to develop a communication mechanism to

[0:51:53] Voice 11: yeah

[0:51:54] Voice 3: be

[0:51:54] Voice 11: supportive of that process yeah so that's great yeah okay um nothing further than on the

[0:52:00] Voice 11: follow-up action list at this time

[0:52:02] Voice 9: so

[0:52:03] Voice 11: applications referrals we didn't have any today but what we do

[0:52:08] Voice 11: have are local trust committee projects

[0:52:09] Voice 9: and

[0:52:10] Voice 11: uh unfortunately marissa and told us unable to join

[0:52:14] Voice 11: minutes today. So Stephen is our planner for this. He's had

[0:52:18] Voice 11: conversations and there are some of you may have also had, but

[0:52:21] Voice 11: the Gabriella official community plan landing file project phase

[0:52:24] Voice 11: three is here. And I'll turn it to Stephen to introduce it.

[0:52:30] Voice 2: Yeah, so this this report presents the business case for

[0:52:33] Voice 2: the 2025-2026 fiscal year for the current major project, the

[0:52:39] Voice 2: the role of the local trust committee, and this would be phase three.

[0:52:44] Voice 2: So currently, this year, we're in phase two, where there's some engagement happening.

[0:52:49] Voice 2: There'll be focused engagement in the fall here on certain topics, and the start of some policy development.

[0:52:55] Voice 2: And for the official community plan in this phase three is proposed to continue with First Nations engagement,

[0:53:01] Voice 2: which is also happening in phase two and will result in completion of the community plan

[0:53:09] Voice 2: for this project and initiate a land use bylaw for people as well and DPA mappings and other

[0:53:19] Voice 2: budget items that you'll see in this business case and this would allow for a consultant

[0:53:25] Voice 2: and repeated to do mapping so that those are your permanent areas should be updated

[0:53:31] Voice 2: and a legal review of the draft OCP as well. So that's there for your review of the

[0:53:40] Voice 2: the timing business cases. I think it is today that we need to have this either

[0:53:48] Voice 2: approved or amended and approved or a decision I should say on this business case request.

[0:53:53] Voice 2: question.

[0:53:59] Voice 8: In the business case, it's under specific project funding, select all that

[0:54:06] Voice 8: are fine, but it's marked that there will be a new staff member temporary for the project.

[0:54:13] Voice 8: Is that to replace Narissa or to work with Narissa?

[0:54:18] Voice 8: No, to supplement.

[0:54:21] Voice 8: Sorry, I can't speak for you.

[0:54:24] Voice 8: no no that's okay i was worried that we might be losing norenda okay which

[0:54:28] Voice 11: section are you looking

[0:54:29] Voice 11: at on page 25

[0:54:31] Voice 8: budget on

[0:54:32] Voice 11: the to be completed by the initiative the request form itself

[0:54:38] Voice 11: yeah nourishes with the um with the uh trust area trust area yeah and we'll continue to

[0:54:47] Voice 11: a lead on this, is this your staff support for?

[0:54:51] Voice 11: Excellent.

[0:54:51] Voice 11: Community engagement, obviously, is needed.

[0:54:55] Voice 6: Wonderful.

[0:54:57] Voice 8: Indeed, temporary.

[0:55:00] Voice 8: I had another question,

[0:55:02] Voice 8: probably for Senator Bauer.

[0:55:04] Voice 8: On page 26, halfway down,

[0:55:10] Voice 8: the OCP and LUB will be informed by the review of Phases 1 and 2.

[0:55:15] Voice 8: these phases of the project involved so one and two under one and two there's one two three four

[0:55:22] Voice 8: six bullets but it seems to me that um a couple of those bullets are yet to come and not under

[0:55:31] Voice 8: phase one and two so like suitable land analysis and build out analysis of the dpa reviews and

[0:55:39] Voice 8: and then the initiation of bylaw drafting isn't that part of phase three and not part of phase

[0:55:46] Voice 2: this is part of phase two so this fiscal year which goes of course we're in the middle of it

[0:55:51] Voice 2: we go to march of 2025 right and

[0:55:56] Voice 2: so that's what some of these items are not

[0:55:58] Voice 2: completed yet but

[0:55:58] Voice 2: they are part of phase two really

[0:56:00] Voice 8: important okay yeah the central run analysis i understand is

[0:56:04] Voice 8: coming in the spring i believe but yeah the groundwater mapping is

[0:56:15] Voice 8: Okay, good. Happy to approve this. It looks great. Yes,

[0:56:19] Voice 11: yes, all right. Well, there is

[0:56:22] Voice 11: a motion there. So unless there's any amendments, it'd be great to hear that motion.

[0:56:29] Voice 8: I move

[0:56:29] Voice 8: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approve the attached major project business

[0:56:34] Voice 8: case for the Gabriel Island Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law Review

[0:56:40] Voice 8: review phase three for submission to the regional planning committee and the financial planning

[0:56:45] Voice 8: committee for the fiscal 2025-26 budget. I'll

[0:56:50] Voice 10: second that. I'll second it

[0:56:52] Voice 11: and it's gotten

[0:56:54] Voice 11: then I'll call the vote. So that carries unanimously. Excellent and thank you to

[0:57:02] Voice 11: Marissa for all the work that she is doing on this as well as of course Stephen and others

[0:57:07] Voice 11: running the team. Let's move to 9.2, page 30 of the agenda, ecological protection zone

[0:57:16] Voice 11: project, and we have a staff report here as well. Stephen,

[0:57:22] Voice 2: do you want to go ahead with

[0:57:24] Voice 2: that?

[0:57:24] Voice 2: Sure. So this report provides an update on the current LCC minor project to create and

[0:57:33] Voice 2: draft the unequal production zone and it seeks LCC direction for First Nations engagement for

[0:57:39] Voice 2: the proposed bylaw associated with the project and it also provides the referral responses that

[0:57:47] Voice 2: we've received so far from the regional district of Nanaimo and its trust conservancy. Both of

[0:57:53] Voice 2: those responses recommend revisions to the definition of passive recreation and don't

[0:58:01] Voice 2: identify other issues with the proposed zone. A referral was also sent to the name of First

[0:58:07] Voice 2: Nation and we have not received a response yet and so staff are recommending that the name of

[0:58:14] Voice 2: engagement aspects of this project be incorporated into the official community plan First Nations

[0:58:20] Voice 2: engagement. So this would allow for the public protection zone project to be maintained

[0:58:28] Voice 2: But it would benefit from the resourcing that the major project currently has when it comes

[0:58:36] Voice 2: to First Nations engagement.

[0:58:37] Voice 2: And then this project, when that engagement piece is completed, then that would allow

[0:58:43] Voice 2: the psychological connections of the project to move on further bylaw readings and be completed

[0:58:48] Voice 2: ahead of the OCP project.

[0:58:51] Voice 2: So

[0:58:52] Voice 9: that's

[0:58:54] Voice 2: an overview

[0:58:55] Voice 9: of those questions.

[0:58:57] Voice 9: Okay, yeah. So if

[0:59:00] Voice 8: they've already said they're not interested in the capacity agreement, what is the additional resourcing that the OCP project would provide?

[0:59:09] Voice 2: It's that we have contacted staff around the standard presentation. We don't know, I guess, really at this time exactly what that OCP engagement will look like.

[0:59:20] Voice 2: But at this point we haven't heard any response on the ecological protection zone project

[0:59:26] Voice 2: and that's one of the pieces of that project in your project charter is to incorporate

[0:59:32] Voice 2: First Nations perspectives and so the understanding is that there with the OCP project there will

[0:59:42] Voice 2: be conversations with First Nations and opportunities to hear from them on many of the topics that

[0:59:49] Voice 2: that are addressed in the Ecological Protection Zone project.

[0:59:53] Voice 2: So there's some natural crossover there

[0:59:56] Voice 2: with the discussions and so the thought is that this.

[1:00:00] Voice 2: reincorporated and those the result of that engagement instead of engaging twice on similar

[1:00:04] Voice 2: or dissimilar things um the results that engagement could inform both projects okay

[1:00:10] Voice 8: so it's more about

[1:00:11] Voice 8: the conversation not resourcing as in money unless we get an indigenous engagement coordinator

[1:00:19] Voice 8: which i've advocated for from the beginning um so i mean this kind of when we talked about

[1:00:28] Voice 8: Liner projects. This is what I was trying to bring up two meetings ago, but essentially this should

[1:00:34] Voice 8: be part of our OCP review and it's probably going to proceed at the same pace as our OCP review

[1:00:40] Voice 8: because the only thing we're waiting for is comment from Sunil. It makes sense to put these

[1:00:45] Voice 8: two together. I just wonder whether this is considered a separate project or it's just

[1:00:52] Voice 8: incorporate, you know, the ecological protection zone into the larger

[1:00:57] Voice 8: project itself and have them be completed at the same time.

[1:01:06] Voice 2: That was not considered by staff to incorporate the entire ecological protection zone project

[1:01:15] Voice 2: instead of just the engagement aspects. And the reason that was not recommended is that

[1:01:23] Voice 2: as that would and because the ecological protection zone is a land use by law amendment project

[1:01:30] Voice 2: that would mean that there's a significant delay instead of with just incorporating the engagement

[1:01:39] Voice 2: following the engagement you will have an official community plan that you're moving

[1:01:43] Voice 2: forward with your legislative process and this ecological protection zone lands by law amendments

[1:01:48] Voice 2: And so it can be completed, you know, in advance of the OCP instead of it being pushed off until you are opting into the land use by law and doing half review.

[1:02:03] Voice 8: Well, I actually have a lot to say about this, but it's not good.

[1:02:09] Voice 8: I'm feeling the whole purpose of it when we first brought it forward.

[1:02:14] Voice 8: I was not a trustee.

[1:02:15] Voice 8: This was six years ago.

[1:02:16] Voice 8: and I worked with Deborah Behrens

[1:02:18] Voice 8: and we brought it forward to the

[1:02:20] Voice 8: not the past trust committee, the one before

[1:02:22] Voice 8: that and

[1:02:23] Voice 9: we wanted

[1:02:24] Voice 8: this to be simply a

[1:02:26] Voice 8: holding zone and it came

[1:02:28] Voice 8: about as a result of a

[1:02:30] Voice 8: large community zoning

[1:02:31] Voice 8: application where land was

[1:02:34] Voice 8: given, land was taken so

[1:02:36] Voice 8: that the community gets this and the developer

[1:02:38] Voice 8: gets that, etc.

[1:02:40] Voice 8: And while that parkland

[1:02:42] Voice 8: was being given and donated and whatever

[1:02:44] Voice 8: of a number of us realize that it always goes to park for humans and dogs and bikes and horses it

[1:02:50] Voice 8: always goes to the park and there is so little so little preserved for the actual natural amenities

[1:02:59] Voice 8: that we depend on to help us survive and so i wrote a letter very similar to the one that

[1:03:06] Voice 8: deborah ferns mentioned earlier and it was never meant to be a park it was never meant to have a

[1:03:12] Voice 8: definition of passive recreation, it was meant to have no recreation. And so it's gotten so

[1:03:20] Voice 8: kind of confused and bamboozled and added on to and taken on income that, you know,

[1:03:27] Voice 8: originally it was supposed to have a certain portion of Coates Marsh protected, the wetlands.

[1:03:33] Voice 8: It was supposed to have Burns Acres Nature Reserve protected. Well fortunately Burns Acres is already

[1:03:39] Voice 8: a major reserve, thank goodness. It was supposed to be looking at, you know, like the fact that we

[1:03:46] Voice 8: have a climate emergency and we have so little protected land without human interference.

[1:03:54] Voice 9: And

[1:03:55] Voice 8: the only way we seem to be able to do that is through either NAPTEPs or other types of

[1:04:04] Voice 8: um covenant and cultivate conservation covenants it's really the only way we seem to be able to do

[1:04:12] Voice 8: that so um i'm not too concerned about i can understand why that why we would be putting

[1:04:20] Voice 8: this forward for later is the name of um comment that i'm okay with that i have lost all hope to

[1:04:27] Voice 8: be honest for this zone i don't care if it goes ahead to the ocp review or not because as it is

[1:04:33] Voice 8: right now it's getting into alternative definitions for parks for humans and i don't care about that

[1:04:39] Voice 8: that's not what was meant for it was

[1:04:42] Voice 8: meant to be a holding zone for the future land development

[1:04:46] Voice 8: whereby the developers instead of just giving part or just giving land for a medical center

[1:04:53] Voice 8: or just giving land for a museum we actually kept land sensitive ecosystem maybe marsh

[1:05:00] Voice 8: plan that we've just preserved and then that would be covenanted probably through the island's

[1:05:07] Voice 8: trust conservancy possibly a co-covenant holder that was our plan that was has always been our

[1:05:13] Voice 8: plan certainly there was support for that from other community members it wasn't meant to apply

[1:05:19] Voice 8: to any particular zone any particular place right now because the places that we're talking about

[1:05:26] Voice 8: But right now, like Coates Marsh, that can never happen.

[1:05:31] Voice 8: It's too complicated.

[1:05:32] Voice 8: That won't be protected.

[1:05:35] Voice 8: So, Susan, I understand that.

[1:05:38] Voice 8: So the intent, I think, was good.

[1:05:41] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:05:41] Voice 8: Things change as the world falls.

[1:05:43] Voice 8: You know, climate change is a reality.

[1:05:45] Voice 8: We need wild spaces.

[1:05:46] Voice 8: Absolutely.

[1:05:47] Voice 8: What is in favor of actually removing the passive recreation designation?

[1:05:53] Voice 8: That conversation has not yet been had.

[1:05:55] Voice 8: I'm fine with that.

[1:05:56] Voice 8: that's all to do with parks whatever they decide i'm totally fine with and that may come about well

[1:06:03] Voice 8: that will come about later but what i'm saying is what if they support an ecological zone that

[1:06:08] Voice 8: is more in line with the intent of what you had wanted to see okay but if that's the case then

[1:06:15] Voice 8: we need to get rid of all this stuff from the rdn saying well you need to define passive recreation

[1:06:20] Voice 8: no we don't we need to just not have recreation but we can do that once we have all the referrals

[1:06:26] Voice 8: world's back we can make that decision we're coming up we could yeah i'm

[1:06:30] Voice 8: anyway that's where

[1:06:31] Voice 8: i stand on this i have been sweating over this for six years um it means a lot to me but i also

[1:06:38] Voice 8: know when to give up when to hand it over and say i'm not going to worry about this anymore because

[1:06:43] Voice 8: i also know at the same time people are conserving little pieces of land especially through the

[1:06:50] Voice 8: the Nature Stewards Program and common 18 pieces of property.

[1:06:56] Voice 8: So, yeah.

[1:06:57] Voice 11: Well, I'm gonna

[1:06:59] Voice 11: make a remark on that,

[1:07:00] Voice 11: Stephen,

[1:07:02] Voice 11: but let's not give up hope.

[1:07:06] Voice 7: Well, I'm not giving up hope.

[1:07:07] Voice 7: Well,

[1:07:07] Voice 11: you just said that.

[1:07:08] Voice 11: And so I'm just saying, let's not do that.

[1:07:13] Voice 11: But put it on hold for a moment,

[1:07:16] Voice 11: because I think in terms of resources

[1:07:18] Voice 11: and ability to have communications and dialogue

[1:07:22] Voice 11: with the Namo First Nation is important.

[1:07:25] Voice 11: And I think this is parking that conversation

[1:07:28] Voice 11: that you've just introduced that we need to have.

[1:07:31] Voice 9: But

[1:07:32] Voice 11: at the moment, let's get the dialogue

[1:07:33] Voice 11: with the Namo going, and this can ideally achieve

[1:07:38] Voice 11: something of which I'm not prepared to second guess,

[1:07:40] Voice 11: because I can't just say we need their comment.

[1:07:44] Voice 11: We need to know what they believe and think

[1:07:47] Voice 11: about I

[1:07:48] Voice 8: believe it's a significant piece of land to Senegal as well this is not just about

[1:07:53] Voice 8: that was originally going to be part of the treaty uh return to to Senegal there I'm sure

[1:08:03] Voice 8: they're very interested in how that land is going to be accessed and used and potentially have

[1:08:08] Voice 8: comment about maybe reducing the the recreational use and so I'm very interested in that conversation

[1:08:15] Voice 8: I think it's timely now as we come together and our communities start to, we're going to be living together on the same land.

[1:08:23] Voice 8: This may be the right time. I know you've waited for six years, but that was a concept for a theoretical zone.

[1:08:31] Voice 8: This is a real place where we're actually talking about how do we consider the use of that land. It's the name of, must have input into that.

[1:08:42] Voice 8: oh i don't question that for one moment i wasn't thinking about their land at all i was thinking

[1:08:46] Voice 8: about developers who have already a piece of property on this island and they they come to

[1:08:53] Voice 8: us and i think we want to do this it's an amenity zone right and we are going to give you this for

[1:09:00] Voice 8: like they've done previously for health care centers and parks and this and then whatever

[1:09:04] Voice 8: um i i wasn't i totally agree the name should have full say on especially the treaty lands

[1:09:12] Voice 8: it's totally their say um i'm just talking about developer amenities only which i'm not sure

[1:09:20] Voice 8: you know sending up would be commenting on that they might

[1:09:25] Voice 8: so i

[1:09:26] Voice 11: think that you know sort of rallying this back to this report yeah i

[1:09:31] Voice 11: think this is a good

[1:09:31] Voice 11: idea it's going to serve the purpose because we have to have this conversation in order to advance

[1:09:37] Voice 11: the conversation that

[1:09:38] Voice 9: the

[1:09:38] Voice 11: things that we're reading to the table we need to have what's the

[1:09:42] Voice 11: name wants to bring to the table to have a wholesome conversation and and and buy into

[1:09:48] Voice 11: um you know it's an interesting colonial it's the only thing i can think of it's just colonial

[1:09:54] Voice 11: architecture around protection mechanisms embedded in our legal system and our uh and our

[1:10:03] Voice 11: how he stole

[1:10:04] Voice 11: these lands and are now

[1:10:06] Voice 11: defending it, right?

[1:10:09] Voice 11: So we need

[1:10:10] Voice 11: to have that conversation to get to the next part

[1:10:12] Voice 11: but let's put the conversation

[1:10:14] Voice 11: about all this stuff on hold until we

[1:10:16] Voice 11: have that idea from Sanemo where

[1:10:18] Voice 11: they're at and then ideally

[1:10:20] Voice 11: create this zoning for protection

[1:10:22] Voice 11: for nature's sake

[1:10:25] Voice 11: with them. I think that's

[1:10:27] Voice 11: where it goes ultimately.

[1:10:28] Voice 11: So, Platon Bob,

[1:10:30] Voice 11: do you have any final remarks? Otherwise,

[1:10:33] Voice 11: I don't know, there is a motion here to embrace, I wouldn't say embrace this, we use incorporate,

[1:10:46] Voice 11: but embrace this ecological protection zone in the communications strategy associated

[1:10:51] Voice 11: with the official community planning language bylaw.

[1:10:54] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:10:55] Voice 2: my comments were just that really that the LTC can direct changes to the bylaw.

[1:11:02] Voice 2: there is file number 313 that's been given for reading and so when it comes back to if you're

[1:11:08] Voice 2: not satisfied with how it looks or what it accomplishes then absolutely there's an opportunity

[1:11:15] Voice 2: of direction to make those changes and just in addition I heard some comments about the

[1:11:22] Voice 2: project aimed really as a whole and so you do have a project charter which you know states the

[1:11:28] Voice 2: purpose of this project and so again if there is um that's not accomplishing what the ltc is

[1:11:33] Voice 2: looking to do then then um that's another a discussion that could be happening so

[1:11:42] Voice 8: question on the bylaw 313 so the purpose is still to introduce a new ecological protection zone

[1:11:51] Voice 8: and to rezone it to the elder cedar nature reserve so that ecological protection zone however it's

[1:11:57] Voice 8: defined after conversations with Svaneva will still exist and could be applied to new areas,

[1:12:05] Voice 8: right? We're not just limiting to elders either. That's the first thing I wanted to clarify.

[1:12:13] Voice 8: I think this does need a revisit once we get comments. And if, you know, like you're saying,

[1:12:20] Voice 8: the passive recreation aspect is should be rejected that's the time to do it i think

[1:12:29] Voice 8: there's still room for that original vision but we really need to incorporate first nations

[1:12:35] Voice 8: perspectives and all that we do especially with the protection of um you know any future zones

[1:12:42] Voice 8: for ecological value i'm sure smithingham wants input into what will access look like

[1:12:48] Voice 8: traditional uses is that still secured um maybe they don't want passive recreation so i think

[1:12:55] Voice 8: that's a really important conversation to have i wouldn't throw this project out or

[1:13:01] Voice 8: and we're not deferring it we're incorporating it into the larger conversation of how this land

[1:13:07] Voice 8: to be managed and produced our ocp

[1:13:14] Voice 9: with

[1:13:14] Voice 8: it. I'm just not sure what to do with bylaw 313.

[1:13:18] Voice 9: Well,

[1:13:19] Voice 8: we're not doing anything.

[1:13:20] Voice 8: Yeah, we can amend it after we get comment back, right? And so staff have advised that

[1:13:27] Voice 8: we look at the passive recreation thing. Is it possible, plan or follow-up, that that

[1:13:33] Voice 8: would be fully removed? Like, say, send in a comment that they don't want to see passive

[1:13:39] Voice 8: recreation in that area it should be for limited to walking or future observation

[1:13:45] Voice 8: that is passive okay um or that nobody goes in there that it's truly a an

[1:13:52] Voice 8: exposed reserve um what would be the process for amending the bylaw at that point for second

[1:14:00] Voice 8: reading yeah

[1:14:01] Voice 2: so that's that is it is we would bring back so the how this fits into your the

[1:14:08] Voice 2: The work plan for this project is that we would receive comments in the name of engaged and we would bring those comments back to the LCC with recommended amendments and the LCC go and make further amendments as well.

[1:14:19] Voice 2: Direct those to be made and that's the time for that discussion or the actual time for that discussion to occur as far as what's, you know, what does this zone actually permit in the nature reserve and it doesn't ever reflect the LTC for the time being.

[1:14:43] Voice 8: Yeah, okay. I moved that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee incorporate First Nations

[1:14:49] Voice 8: engagement for the Ecological Protection Zone project with the Gabriela Island Official

[1:14:54] Voice 8: Community Plan and Land Use By-law project.

[1:14:57] Voice 11: Moved. Seconded. Toby, thank you. Any further

[1:15:00] Voice 11: the discussion all

[1:15:01] Voice 10: those in favor keep the hope i'm

[1:15:04] Voice 8: not going to forget

[1:15:08] Voice 8: it's good it's a good approach yeah no i have no expectation whatsoever for at first in name

[1:15:13] Voice 8: of first nation engagement i want that and i'm just more concerned about starting to talk about

[1:15:19] Voice 8: bikes and trailers and well that's not the point of this no all

[1:15:25] Voice 11: right um so that concludes that

[1:15:27] Voice 11: that we're a little bit ahead of schedule here. Do you want to

[1:15:32] Voice 11: continue to proceed through? I'm not seeing a lot of time here.

[1:15:39] Voice 11: Shall we just proceed?

[1:15:45] Voice 11: Okay, so correspondence and the first one piece of correspondence

[1:15:49] Voice 11: we have on our agenda is from Janet Moore. Thank you, Jen.

[1:15:54] Voice 11: regarding the Dirksen Road. I really hear what you're saying and in fact what caught me earlier

[1:16:02] Voice 11: was that people drive on angry and anger is a problem in society that manifests itself in

[1:16:10] Voice 11: driving is one of those things and certainly want to recognize the loss of lives that has

[1:16:17] Voice 11: of the curb there so thank you for that um not there not there necessarily but associated with

[1:16:28] Voice 11: aggressive driving yeah so trustees what would you like to do with respect to this

[1:16:35] Voice 11: letter and the petition that's attached i

[1:16:39] Voice 8: got a couple of thoughts i'm very glad we now have

[1:16:41] Voice 8: a transportation i gave you a transportation society that's great and i know jan is on that

[1:16:50] Voice 8: they will probably be helping us a lot with the ocp review as far as active transportation um

[1:16:56] Voice 8: you know i'm all i can say is i couldn't agree with you more i i hate almost getting run over

[1:17:02] Voice 8: i i'm at the school a lot and there is not a day goes by where people are just

[1:17:09] Voice 8: wins in the middle of the school so what are they thinking the one thing i am still uh

[1:17:17] Voice 8: I'm still concerned about is the fact that we have a gravel pit extraction at the end of Fancy Road, and the original permit for that, and you probably remember when we first became trustees, the original permit for that says that they were going to go out down right beside the golf course, down to where the barges used to come in and take the gravel and bring the gravel to bring trailers.

[1:17:42] Voice 8: There's the barge site, anyway, alongside the golf course there.

[1:17:47] Voice 8: And they did it.

[1:17:48] Voice 8: They just started operating and driving through these three residential zones with their huge trucks.

[1:17:53] Voice 9: And

[1:17:54] Voice 8: so I brought that up at one of our, maybe our second local trust committee meeting,

[1:18:00] Voice 8: to approach Ministry of Mines and say, what's going on?

[1:18:04] Voice 8: And we got absolutely no response.

[1:18:10] Voice 8: So I think it was Rene Jamret.

[1:18:17] Voice 8: I don't know whether we should

[1:18:19] Voice 8: because those trucks

[1:18:23] Voice 8: should not be going to three residential

[1:18:25] Voice 8: neighborhoods and onto it.

[1:18:27] Voice 7: And they're mad trucks.

[1:18:28] Voice 7: I

[1:18:29] Voice 8: know what they look like.

[1:18:30] Voice 8: There's no room for us.

[1:18:33] Voice 8: They're trashing the roads

[1:18:34] Voice 8: and they're taking up all this room.

[1:18:36] Voice 8: So why

[1:18:37] Voice 11: is that happening

[1:18:38] Voice 11: despite the permit?

[1:18:39] Voice 8: I don't know.

[1:18:42] Voice 8: Actually,

[1:18:43] Voice 11: we have to have a conversation here.

[1:18:44] Voice 8: Sorry, Jen.

[1:18:45] Voice 8: well the permit was given by the ministry of minds and i so we asked for two things we asked

[1:18:51] Voice 8: for a longer than a 30-day referral yeah because we very rarely get referrals from the ministry of

[1:18:57] Voice 8: minds and so uh planet rpm jamrat got us that we did get we were if we get another one we're

[1:19:05] Voice 8: going to get longer than 30 days because we often don't have a meeting meeting with a 30-day

[1:19:10] Voice 8: So we got a longer referral period for that. But then when we actually gave our comments, saying specifically, why is this operating along these three neighborhoods instead of going down 795 South Shore, like the permit originally said, posted in the newspaper?

[1:19:26] Voice 8: Why is this happening? We never got an answer.

[1:19:30] Voice 8: I see.

[1:19:31] Voice 8: So should we pursue that?

[1:19:34] Voice 11: Well, if you believe there's a concern, and I haven't reason to believe it, if we're not concerned about it, we should write to Mines and ask them what the problem is with this permit issuance and that they're not complying.

[1:19:49] Voice 11: Because when does the permit due for renewal? Do we know that?

[1:19:52] Voice 11: Oh, every 10 years.

[1:19:53] Voice 11: Oh, is it every 10? You're sure of that?

[1:19:55] Voice 11: Well,

[1:19:55] Voice 8: this last one was 10 years.

[1:19:58] Voice 8: So it's, wait, the permit says there's supposed to be how many minutes out of the government?

[1:20:02] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:20:04] Voice 8: so the

[1:20:07] Voice 11: ltc can certainly ask the ministry to uh investigate why and i'm using generous language

[1:20:14] Voice 11: why it is that it appears that the permit uh requirements are not being met

[1:20:20] Voice 8: okay so yeah

[1:20:22] Voice 8: yes

[1:20:23] Voice 2: yeah yeah one just asked for letters if there's a specific a specific direction as

[1:20:34] Voice 2: possible in terms of the content of the letter and the purpose yeah and and two yeah so

[1:20:40] Voice 11: we would like

[1:20:41] Voice 11: for the ministry to investigate the permits requirements like the history of mines yeah

[1:20:46] Voice 8: and there that's permanent of course had a number attached to it i have it somewhere in my files at

[1:20:51] Voice 8: home so i move that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff to contact ministry of

[1:20:59] Voice 8: of Mines for a permit number, whatever it is, to inquire, to

[1:21:09] Voice 8: investigate, to investigate the permit requires non compliance

[1:21:15] Voice 10: with the permit. Well,

[1:21:16] Voice 8: I'm not going to say that to investigate

[1:21:17] Voice 8: the permit requires specifically with regard to the exit and

[1:21:26] Voice 8: access at 795 South Road.

[1:21:30] Voice 10: so we'll let lisa get by that put us on that and then i'll ask you to be in that ground

[1:21:38] Voice 11: i don't

[1:21:39] Voice 7: know it's like that should never work so

[1:21:41] Voice 11: if you don't mind i'm gonna

[1:21:43] Voice 4: get the motion

[1:21:44] Voice 4: to get back move that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff to contact ministry

[1:21:49] Voice 4: of mines read permit number question mark to investigate the permit requirements specifically

[1:21:56] Voice 4: specifically with regard to the exit and access at 795 South Road Gabriel Island sounds good

[1:22:06] Voice 8: do you want to ask them for further action like to require the permit holders to

[1:22:12] Voice 8: abide by the conditions of the parents

[1:22:14] Voice 11: they find that that's not a compliance they should just

[1:22:17] Voice 11: oh well we don't we can't tell them

[1:22:23] Voice 2: what to do but we're just going to suggest because we don't

[1:22:26] Voice 2: have the permit number but then you have the uh if you have the address it sounds like then you

[1:22:30] Voice 2: can just refer to the you know the open permit well

[1:22:34] Voice 2: it's

[1:22:37] Voice 8: at the end of dempsey road where they're

[1:22:38] Voice 8: actually doing the extraction but i don't know but 795 south is where it's supposed to is where

[1:22:44] Voice 11: it's supposed

[1:22:44] Voice 8: to be leaving so

[1:22:46] Voice 11: can we can have staff enter that in detail into it it doesn't

[1:22:50] Voice 11: change the intent of the motion okay is that all right i

[1:22:53] Voice 7: just want to correct something they're not

[1:22:58] Voice 7: just extracting from there they're hauling gravel down in front of my road down to that access

[1:23:09] Voice 7: so i don't know where they're extracting from is it from the golf course and then they come

[1:23:14] Voice 7: down Dirksen to get to Dempsey?

[1:23:18] Voice 7: Well,

[1:23:18] Voice 11: I guess one needs to follow the trucks to figure that out.

[1:23:21] Voice 11: But I think that if the Ministry investigates what's going on there,

[1:23:27] Voice 11: it will become apparent to them.

[1:23:28] Voice 3: But

[1:23:28] Voice 11: there'll be some feedback to us anyway, and we can explore.

[1:23:32] Voice 11: We have to kind of open the door and see what comes of it.

[1:23:37] Voice 7: So how can we get the speed limit lowered to 30 quickly?

[1:23:44] Voice 7: We can't do that.

[1:23:45] Voice 11: You would have to write to Mody and Natalia.

[1:23:49] Voice 11: It

[1:23:50] Voice 7: won't happen. Mody can't be bothered to talk to anyone.

[1:23:54] Voice 11: Well, yeah, it would require safety assessment. It would require community consultation.

[1:24:01] Voice 11: How

[1:24:01] Voice 7: many guests will it require? That's what I want to know.

[1:24:05] Voice 7: well

[1:24:05] Voice 11: let's yeah i think

[1:24:07] Voice 8: the appropriate place for this conversation is on the active transportation

[1:24:13] Voice 8: when we get to that point in the ocp review and so i'd like to ask that this letter and petition

[1:24:19] Voice 8: be added to the project file for the ocp review to be addressed when we're considering active

[1:24:27] Voice 8: transportation which i think is going to be in the fall uh where are we we are in the fall it's

[1:24:33] Voice 8: going to be the last group conversation i think in the springtime um i do know i've had lots of

[1:24:43] Voice 8: conversations with director craig who was the successful contact for administrative transportation

[1:24:50] Voice 8: to change that playground zone to 30

[1:24:53] Voice 6: um

[1:24:54] Voice 8: and in all the years of advocacy and she has much more

[1:24:58] Voice 8: experience with this in a much closer context with Motu, she said they will not change any

[1:25:04] Voice 8: speed zones unless it's attached to a playground zone. So that's the only reason that got changed.

[1:25:12] Voice 8: What we can do is work on an active transportation plan so that there should be safe shoulders or

[1:25:19] Voice 8: barriers or something for people walking and cycling and that's part of our O2 community.

[1:25:24] Voice 7: but now the kids are walking back to school that's a really dangerous blind curse and i

[1:25:32] Voice 8: note that ucc the rcmp which is the appropriate body to deal with calming traffic and safety

[1:25:39] Voice 8: we cannot make the speed change that is not in our power we can advocate we can talk to moti

[1:25:47] Voice 8: but like i said director craig has said it was only because it was already a playground zone

[1:25:52] Voice 8: that they extended that zone to be 30 and even that took a lot of letter writing yeah so we will

[1:26:01] Voice 8: do what we can and thank you for your submission can we have so

[1:26:05] Voice 11: if there are concerns about public

[1:26:07] Voice 11: safety careless driving or operation of the vehicle absolutely reporting that to the rcmp

[1:26:12] Voice 11: is important and get your neighbors to do it too um because it counts and it all contributes to

[1:26:20] Voice 11: of the story i think like the whole thing is that we need to step on the public record not just with

[1:26:25] Voice 11: us but with other agencies so it builds a story and um some people call me naive and that's fair

[1:26:33] Voice 11: enough i like to believe that uh good people will do the work that they're supposed to do and so

[1:26:39] Voice 11: let's have this initial conversation and see what happens it does take time we can't do anything

[1:26:45] thing

[1:26:45] Voice 11: just like that i know and the mines they would have the permit requirements for sure

[1:26:54] Voice 11: took into consideration the road safety factors and so if that's not being respected

[1:26:59] Voice 11: then there's a problem yeah

[1:27:01] Voice 7: and i don't think

[1:27:02] Voice 11: they consider it well let's find out let's go

[1:27:04] Voice 11: down the road and find out what happened

[1:27:06] Voice 7: and the rcmp have written a letter of support and

[1:27:09] Voice 7: will be in your mailboxes today oh

[1:27:11] Voice 11: well that's great but they are we don't have the authority

[1:27:15] Voice 11: the RCMP had. The RCMP could ticket truck drivers. They could take away licenses. They could take away

[1:27:21] Voice 11: operating permits. We don't do that.

[1:27:24] Voice 7: There's going to be speed blocks. Oh

[1:27:27] Voice 11: well, that's good too,

[1:27:28] Voice 11: but everybody needs to be safe, keeping in mind the remarks that you had already about angry

[1:27:34] Voice 11: drivers. You know, everybody needs to be safe. Wear vests, high-vis vests, and all that kind of stuff.

[1:27:44] Voice 10: there's

[1:27:45] Voice 7: not enough room on both sides when they're two next from a scaffolding

[1:27:50] Voice 7: you have to jump into the gym well

[1:27:52] Voice 11: you know bicyclists were

[1:27:55] Voice 11: coming head-on on the highway since the freight liners last week shooting videos of themselves

[1:28:02] Voice 11: anyway let us continue we're called the block can

[1:28:05] Voice 8: we add that correspondence

[1:28:06] Voice 8: on its petition to the OCP project

[1:28:10] Voice 8: for active transportation?

[1:28:13] Voice 2: Is that right?

[1:28:14] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:28:15] Voice 11: Yes, it did that.

[1:28:17] Voice 11: Do you need direction for that or you can just do that?

[1:28:19] Voice 11: Well, it's a formal.

[1:28:20] Voice 11: And we

[1:28:21] Voice 4: have a motion before this

[1:28:22] Voice 11: has been seconded.

[1:28:23] Voice 8: What should I sign it with?

[1:28:24] Voice 8: What?

[1:28:25] Voice 11: Is that right?

[1:28:27] Voice 11: That's right.

[1:28:27] Voice 11: OK, so yeah, you know, that's the problem

[1:28:30] Voice 11: with engaging with the public in the business section.

[1:28:32] Voice 11: The thing is, we get a lot of legislation

[1:28:34] Voice 11: and I'm not very focused.

[1:28:35] Voice 11: Was

[1:28:36] Voice 8: that my motion?

[1:28:37] Voice 11: That was your motion.

[1:28:38] Voice 11: And you were happy with the motion.

[1:28:39] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:28:39] Voice 11: Toby, are you going to second the motion?

[1:28:41] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:28:41] Voice 11: This is to send a letter.

[1:28:42] Voice 11: Yes, thank you.

[1:28:43] Voice 7: Right.

[1:28:44] Voice 11: And so if there's no further discussion, then I'll call the vote on the motion.

[1:28:49] Voice 11: It was read out earlier.

[1:28:50] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:28:51] Voice 11: So that carries.

[1:28:52] Voice 11: So that's something.

[1:28:54] Voice 11: It's a step in the right direction.

[1:28:56] Voice 11: And we'll see where it goes.

[1:29:00] Voice 11: All right.

[1:29:01] Voice 11: Do you want to continue?

[1:29:02] Voice 11: Do you want to have a last break?

[1:29:04] Voice 8: i think we can get through what's left before the end cameras i'm

[1:29:09] Voice 11: happy to continue yes

[1:29:10] Voice 8: so then

[1:29:12] Voice 11: let's go to the staff reports and these staff reports we would receive for information unless

[1:29:16] Voice 11: there's specific direction obviously in the dark skies principles adoption advocacy briefing there

[1:29:23] Voice 11: is a request for decision in there this is a trustee-led initiative not a staff report

[1:29:32] Voice 11: board and they should do. And so from Trust Area Services dated August the 19th, actually

[1:29:43] Voice 8: no, there isn't a decision.

[1:29:44] Voice 8: And we have, there is a suggesting motion that we direct staff to notify Trustee Morrison

[1:29:50] Voice 8: of our interest in percolating.

[1:29:53] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:29:53] Voice 10: so that's on page 45 of the packet, recommendations for immediate action, I think.

[1:30:00] Voice 8: Um, I saw it somewhere else, probably, I think it was up here.

[1:30:06] Voice 11: My name was Heather Blake, page 45, request for decision, and that was from Trust Council.

[1:30:13] Voice 8: Oh, the Trust Council request, no, the follow-up is on page 44, that, it's on the bottom of

[1:30:18] Voice 8: page 44, that Islands, the Gabriela Local Trust Committee direct staff to trustee Morrison.

[1:30:24] Voice 8: Oh, here it is.

[1:30:25] Voice 8: Oh, actually.

[1:30:25] Voice 6: Right

[1:30:25] Voice 8: there.

[1:30:27] Voice 8: Oh, here.

[1:30:27] Voice 8: It's in italics.

[1:30:28] Voice 8: It's a little hard to see.

[1:30:30] Voice 8: okay let's of our gabriel local trust committee's interest in pursuing further

[1:30:35] Voice 8: exploration of policy and advocacy options relating to dark side principles yes right

[1:30:40] Voice 11: i definitely agree

[1:30:43] Voice 8: with that so

[1:30:44] Voice 11: moved and seconded um any discussion all those in favor

[1:30:50] Voice 8: um

[1:30:50] Voice 11: that's great awesome

[1:30:53] Voice 8: so i just have a couple of quick comments because there's recommendations

[1:30:56] Voice 8: recommendations in the RFD. And I think we already have a letter in our OCP review basket,

[1:31:06] Voice 8: whatever you call it, on Gabriela. And I'm hoping that we can include dark sky principles

[1:31:15] Voice 8: in our OCP review. Just the principles. To have them in the OCP review is a really good

[1:31:21] Voice 8: idea. And then when it comes to the land use fire law and you're talking about you know neon signs

[1:31:27] Voice 8: and stuff like that or overhead lighting then you've got something to go by if you have a

[1:31:32] Voice 8: principle in your OCP. And I'm also hoping that council adopts the dark sky principles for the

[1:31:39] Voice 8: test policy scheme because they're just they're just principles that say why they're important

[1:31:46] Voice 8: we can let the fans in

[1:31:48] Voice 11: some trees will be on it. So I just have a question for kind of our

[1:31:54] Voice 11: social island has very good guidelines associated with illumination

[1:31:59] Voice 9: properties,

[1:32:00] Voice 11: and presumes that some of us try to treat that where the principles about light pollution

[1:32:09] Voice 11: are embraced and presumably we can incorporate guidelines of this nature. That correct?

[1:32:14] Voice 11: We can

[1:32:16] Voice 2: certainly look at what Salt Spring has done, and even just further at dark sky principles in general too, but another LTCM in particular has a Bible already, and that's often a good resource for graph language.

[1:32:31] Voice 2: They

[1:32:32] Voice 11: have guidelines, because I know we've discussed them lately on projects.

[1:32:37] Voice 7: great okay

[1:32:38] Voice 11: i'm going to continue on um here um and i'm actually just going to ask uh items 12.2

[1:32:46] Voice 11: through 12.9 is there any of these that you wish to speak to i'm really grateful to see the

[1:32:53] Voice 11: conservancy heron and i am happy always to see the heron

[1:32:56] Voice 11: yeah

[1:32:57] Voice 8: i'll skip you this time

[1:33:04] Voice 8: all

[1:33:04] Voice 11: right then so i'll move down then to work programs so we have our active projects report

[1:33:11] Voice 11: and our future projects report and unless we're planning on making any significant changes or any

[1:33:16] Voice 11: changes at this point i would just say we receive those information and wait for development i have

[1:33:22] Voice 8: one comment on the active projects report again it relates to the ecological protection zone

[1:33:27] Voice 8: own so it's number one minor project and it says which includes the rezoning of elder cedar nature

[1:33:34] Voice 8: reserve to a park or conservation no not to a park i don't know where that came from

[1:33:42] Voice 11: so let's

[1:33:43] Voice 11: just if we're in agreement then let's just amend the wording to remove the word park thank

[1:33:48] Voice 8: you i

[1:33:49] Voice 11: really appreciate that i'm going to have consensus on that so yeah okay there

[1:33:54] Voice 8: was one thing we brought

[1:33:56] Voice 8: our last LTC meeting but it's summer and staff has been off and what and Toby and I kind of both

[1:34:01] Voice 8: talked about this briefly is that in the list of all the nice things under major project for O2P

[1:34:08] Voice 8: review it still kind of looks like a dog's breakfast as far as not grouping items so housing

[1:34:15] Voice 8: development permits water items shoreline items infrastructure items if we could have this page

[1:34:22] Voice 8: page one and two and three,

[1:34:25] Voice 5: if we could somehow get them into the broad categories.

[1:34:30] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:34:31] Voice 8: that's what we said,

[1:34:32] Voice 8: but I'm having just broad categories,

[1:34:34] Voice 8: you know, infrastructure, water, housing, that sort of thing.

[1:34:38] Voice 8: It would be really helpful

[1:34:39] Voice 8: because I like to make notes to myself,

[1:34:41] Voice 8: oh, add this to this, add this to this.

[1:34:46] Voice 8: Yeah, and we did answer that,

[1:34:48] Voice 8: but I think we've had staff on holidays.

[1:34:51] Voice 8: Oh,

[1:34:52] Voice 11: yeah. Thank you. Okay.

[1:34:56] Voice 11: So that concludes that conversation. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

[1:35:00] Voice 8: Great.

[1:35:01] Voice 11: So our next meeting then is November the 7th.

[1:35:04] Voice 8: Yeah. Yeah.

[1:35:05] Voice 11: Yeah. There's a big gap.

[1:35:08] Voice 11: Council in between. It's

[1:35:10] Voice 8: been a strange one because we had an August meeting, which is not

[1:35:13] Voice 8: usual, but a very light agenda for September, which is very unusual. So

[1:35:18] Voice 11: we can expect a big

[1:35:19] Voice 11: agenda

[1:35:19] Voice 8: okay

[1:35:22] Voice 11: uh so november 7th so we're going to move into a closed meeting now so i'm going to

[1:35:27] Voice 11: unfortunately have uh amendments from the public so leave thank

[1:35:31] Voice 7: you for hanging in there can i use

[1:35:33] Voice 7: the washroom before yes because that's apparently the case let's

[1:35:38] Voice 11: get a motion to go in camera and

[1:35:40] Voice 11: then we'll then we'll reset your break and then we'll go up the in-camera agenda thank you thank

[1:35:52] Voice 11: So, thank you, and I hope I'm not perceived as being dismissive, but I embrace your concerns.

[1:36:00] Voice 11: No,

[1:36:00] Voice 7: but this is what I was afraid of, that I'd get nowhere.

[1:36:03] Voice 11: Oh, you've got somewhere.

[1:36:05] Voice 7: You've got somewhere.

[1:36:06] Voice 7: I'll

[1:36:07] Voice 8: go work on Sheena.

[1:36:08] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:36:08] Voice 11: that's a good idea.

[1:36:10] Voice 8: That's a really good idea.

[1:36:11] Voice 8: I move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 90-1I, for the purpose of considering by the receipt of advice of the subject to solicitor client privilege, including communication if necessary, for that purpose, and let the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[1:36:30] Voice 8: Second that.

[1:36:31] Voice 11: Moved. Seconded.

[1:36:33] Voice 11: I'll revoke all of the paper, select carries, reveal the moving camera, so let's stop the recording and the live streaming.