Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 12, 2024

[0:00:10] Voice 8: I don't see Justin Harris as having joined yet, but I think he should probably get going here.

[0:00:17] Voice 6: I

[0:00:21] Voice 17: can hear you just fine.

[0:00:23] Voice 18: Oh, you

[0:00:23] Voice 4: are here. Okay, great.

[0:00:26] Voice 4: Okay, well, welcome everybody to this regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:35] Voice 8: I'd like to start by acknowledging that we're meeting on the territory of the Coast Salish peoples who've been here since time immemorial.

[0:00:45] Voice 8: Long story in history, I've been to Settlers, pretty shocking and horrible history, but we are working towards reconciliation in a meaningful way to build relationships and to work towards a better future together.

[0:01:12] Voice 8: I want to acknowledge those people who have been here since long before Settlers came.

[0:01:21] Voice 18: We have an agenda before us.

[0:01:25] Introductions. My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Luskinia Island, and I'm chair of the

[0:01:31] Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. With me are local trustee Laura Patrick, and online

[0:01:40] Voice 8: trustee Jimmy Harris. And together we pick up the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. And

[0:01:48] Voice 7: And also

[0:01:48] Voice 4: joining us today, we have Regional Director, Gary Pullman, and the Pro-Rec Chair of the Local Community Commission.

[0:01:58] Voice 4: And we have several staff members here, and appreciate everyone's support from the staff end,

[0:02:06] Voice 4: and really appreciate our colleagues from CRD and the LCC joining and being here with us.

[0:02:13] Voice 4: we have an agenda before us and i'll

[0:02:15] Voice 8: look to trustees and see if there's any uh

[0:02:19] Voice 8: amendments to the agenda suggested i'll note that there's in section 14 and 15

[0:02:28] we don't have those reports so i will

[0:02:31] Voice 8: just delete those and trustee patrick before

[0:02:34] Voice 9: you delete those

[0:02:35] Voice 9: i ask that

[0:02:36] Voice 8: you keep 14

[0:02:36] Voice 9: .1 because i'd like to

[0:02:38] Voice 8: talk about closing these there are other topics related

[0:02:41] Voice 8: Okay, so regardless of having no report, we can put 14.1 on.

[0:02:47] Voice 4: And then I thought I would like Under New Business to discuss a standing resolution

[0:02:59] Voice 8: for travel costs for CRD at First Nations leadership building meetings.

[0:03:22] Voice 4: I

[0:03:23] Voice 17: just wanted to add something to the in-camera portion of the meeting.

[0:03:27] Voice 4: Okay, we'll do

[0:03:28] Voice 18: that when we get into

[0:03:28] Voice 4: the in-camera.

[0:03:30] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:03:31] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:03:34] Voice 8: Chair, would you like to include discussion about meetings?

[0:03:40] Voice 8: There was a special meeting proposed by e-mail on Tuesday, was that moving ahead, was that

[0:03:48] Voice 8: for discussion at this time, and then also the November meeting.

[0:03:51] Voice 8: Yes, you're right, yeah.

[0:03:52] Voice 8: Okay, so let's put, let's put those all in Section 15, block B, travel, special meeting,

[0:04:09] Voice 6: and November of last single.

[0:04:18] Voice 8: so i'll take my general consent to approve the agenda as adopted and then we'll move into

[0:04:25] Voice 4: town hall questions um and i'll just remind everyone that um speak to

[0:04:33] Voice 3: issues not personalities

[0:04:35] Voice 3: use uh respectful language and uh keep

[0:04:39] Voice 18: your comments if everyone keeps their comments

[0:04:41] Voice 18: to brief then i won't have to pull out the timer um and i see maxine i'd

[0:04:48] Voice 7: like to step up here

[0:04:49] Voice 3: sure and then people can online can hear you yeah okay

[0:04:52] Voice 8: um i want to speak briefly about this uh

[0:04:56] Voice 8: controversy that's occurred over roosters um the purpose of sony is to provide assurance

[0:05:03] Voice 8: insurance to homeowners, renters, about the situation in their neighborhood and avoid

[0:05:11] Voice 8: problems, right? And the problem we have now that's arisen, it's a community that's really

[0:05:19] Voice 8: not rural. It's really a suburban community with homes relatively close together on relatively

[0:05:25] Voice 8: in relatively narrow lots under an acre in size.

[0:05:29] Voice 8: And it seems obvious to me that it's not appropriate

[0:05:33] Voice 8: to allow any and all kinds of agricultural activities

[0:05:38] Voice 8: on these lots.

[0:05:40] Voice 8: And the fact that it's inappropriate

[0:05:43] Voice 8: is shown by the controversy that's arisen.

[0:05:46] Voice 8: Now, this situation is unfair to the resident

[0:05:50] Voice 8: who is disturbed by the noise

[0:05:52] Voice 9: uh or other possible appropriate inappropriate activities like cows or i can think of all kinds

[0:06:01] Voice 9: of agricultural activities that would not be appropriate but zoning is also not fair to the

[0:06:08] Voice 9: person who buys the property and expects to be able to carry on these type of activities

[0:06:13] Voice 9: and then has all this tumult and difficulty right

[0:06:17] Voice 8: so that's the whole purpose of zoning to avoid

[0:06:20] Voice 8: avoid this. And we have an OCP review coming up and a land use bylaw review coming up and

[0:06:26] Voice 8: I really think this sort of thing should be looked at. You know, the appropriateness of

[0:06:31] Voice 8: the activities that are allowed in different zones. Where I live, there are some, you know,

[0:06:37] Voice 8: we don't have a lot of time, but there's some activities that are allowed that are extremely

[0:06:41] Voice 8: detrimental to people living on the island. And so I would just urge you to really take

[0:06:47] Voice 8: you seriously and give some thought to you know reforming the situation for the future thank you

[0:06:56] Voice 4: anyone else like to address the committee this morning

[0:07:04] Voice 8: okay yeah oh you're awake yeah

[0:07:07] Voice 3: um yeah town hall section and then we move into delegations

[0:07:11] Voice 3: okay i'm not seeing anyone so let's move into delegations and

[0:07:15] Voice 8: uh israel cohen's up first

[0:07:24] Voice 8: yeah

[0:07:24] Voice 18: if you don't want to stand you can also

[0:07:25] Voice 18: just pull your chair up

[0:07:27] Voice 8: well that's okay um actually i have some more documents that i didn't get to submit before

[0:07:33] Voice 8: and uh there are zoning bylaws for uh through the mountain valley regional district as well as others

[0:07:42] Voice 8: uh in relation to uh zoning areas in rural communities as well i have an updated

[0:08:05] Voice 8: And my request, as I submitted my letter is to change the zoning for my second woodland

[0:08:20] Voice 8: drive between Mowbray, the two Mowbrays, from rural to residential, preferably as R1 to

[0:08:28] Voice 8: R5 or R8, and R8 being, allows light, it's excluding intensive agriculture.

[0:08:42] Voice 8: Presently, the rural designation for my street, which is only 700, my part of the street,

[0:08:47] Voice 8: which is only 700 meters long has 30 homes on it all close together all less than an acre in size

[0:08:56] Voice 8: and the distance between each home is approximately 100 feet

[0:09:05] Voice 8: presently the roosters have been removed from the property next door which is the area of

[0:09:09] Voice 8: contention that i've had before and had this crd bylaw office uh involvement with it

[0:09:17] Voice 8: but there was an issue with roosters crowing through the night and 50 feet from my bedroom

[0:09:24] Voice 8: window as well as the other neighbors as well windows and none of us could sleep

[0:09:32] Voice 8: and we couldn't enjoy our properties anymore when woodland drive was created i think it was

[0:09:40] Voice 8: is mis-zoned as a rural, or at least our section is,

[0:09:46] Voice 8: as the section on the other side of Mulberry

[0:09:50] Voice 8: is designated as residential, R8.

[0:09:54] Voice 8: I believe both sections of Woodland Drive should be R8

[0:09:57] Voice 8: at the very least, allowing very light,

[0:10:04] Voice 8: excluding intensive agriculture.

[0:10:07] Voice 8: agriculture. So I request that for the OCP and the zoning

[0:10:17] Voice 8: decisions coming up in the near future, that this be looked at,

[0:10:21] Voice 8: and hopefully, a decision can be made.

[0:10:27] Voice 4: Okay, thank you, trustees. Any questions for the delegate?

[0:10:34] Voice 8: Explained. Thank you.

[0:10:35] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[0:10:45] Voice 7: Yeah, so we are looking to remove a covenant on our property. I'm just going to read this

[0:10:53] Voice 7: because that way I'll get it all set in time. Since 2018, my partner Richard Miller and

[0:11:00] Voice 7: I have owned residential

[0:11:02] Voice 16: property 134 Drake Road in

[0:11:04] Voice 8: Ganges. The house on the property

[0:11:07] Voice 8: faces Drake Road, but the lot backs on to Seabury Road. We

[0:11:13] Voice 9: recently put this property

[0:11:14] Voice 9: on the market only to discover to our surprise that there's a covenant, which I think has

[0:11:21] Voice 9: been given as part of the package to the trustees. With Islands Trust for 134 Drake Road, which

[0:11:33] Voice 9: is described in the covenant as lot 20 provide nine parking spaces from sea view road for a restaurant

[0:11:42] Voice 9: at 170 for her damage well described as lot a in the

[0:11:47] Voice 9: covenant within days of making this discovery

[0:11:51] Voice 9: we received a good offer for the property the only hitch for us was that it was subject to getting

[0:11:57] Voice 9: the covenant removed

[0:11:58] Voice 7: in a timely manner. We decided to accept this

[0:12:04] Voice 9: offer because once we

[0:12:06] Voice 9: started to look at the covenant we realized it had actually been not

[0:12:11] Voice 8: been used for 27 years.

[0:12:15] Voice 8: We could see it not only it was obsolete it hadn't been used

[0:12:19] Voice 9: and there were conditions for its

[0:12:22] Voice 9: So I will explain that. We spoke to the Lambs who owned 174 for Ganges Road, where the restaurant

[0:12:31] Voice 8: used to be. The restaurant needed the extra parking to comply with parking bylaws as required

[0:12:38] Voice 8: by Islands Trust at the time. Mr. and Mrs. Lamb, the owners of Block A, told me the restaurant

[0:12:46] Voice 8: only existed for two years from 1995 to 1997. Lot A is now the location of a real estate agency.

[0:12:56] Voice 8: The restaurant no longer exists and for the last 27 years there has been no need for the extra

[0:13:02] Voice 8: parking from our property. Mr. Lamb stated in his letter to the trust which I think is part of

[0:13:10] Voice 8: your package um that uh he gives consent to have another covenant removed as well

[0:13:18] Voice 8: so in the covenant um it says

[0:13:21] Voice 9: according to page five number three the committee agrees with the

[0:13:26] Voice 9: grantor that this agreement may be discharged or modified as the case may be if the

[0:13:33] Voice 8: use of lot a

[0:13:34] Voice 8: is changed and all or a portion of the off-street parking spaces required by the committee's

[0:13:40] Voice 8: bylaws and all other laws and regulations of the committee or of British Columbia are

[0:13:46] Voice 8: provided on Law A.

[0:13:48] Voice 16: So that is no longer the case, the property parking is not necessary.

[0:13:58] Voice 16: So I'm here

[0:13:59] Voice 9: today to request the covenant be removed.

[0:14:03] Voice 9: It's obsolete and no longer required by either party's concern.

[0:14:08] Voice 9: It is an unusual covenant in that it allows for commercial parking spaces on a residential property.

[0:14:16] Voice 9: Furthermore, the buyers of the property

[0:14:20] Voice 8: could well walk away from this offer if the covenant is not removed in a timely manner.

[0:14:28] Voice 8: several immediate repairs including heating are needed to be done on the property

[0:14:33] Voice 8: ideally before winter we could not afford to do these repairs which is why we put the property

[0:14:40] Voice 8: on the market the buyers will not buy the property with the covenant in place because

[0:14:46] Voice 8: they want to ensure that their future residential usage of the land is not restricted as buyers they

[0:14:53] Voice 9: need to know that the future residential use only zoning is supported on this property once the

[0:15:01] Voice 8: covenant is discharged they are willing to complete the sale and the transfer of ownership

[0:15:06] Voice 8: they wish this to be done in a timely manner so they can get to the necessary repairs

[0:15:11] Voice 8: as soon as possible um so uh that's why i'm here hopefully you can have time to consider this

[0:15:24] Voice 8: I guess my question is, has there been a communication between you and staff on how to do this?

[0:15:33] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, this covenant request was put in, I believe, in August.

[0:15:39] Simply, as you can see, we have a very large agenda in front of us today.

[0:15:43] Unfortunately, we just didn't have enough staff to get this onto this agenda.

[0:15:47] The intention is to get it on the October 11th

[0:15:49] Voice 8: agenda, with a full analysis of the local trust.

[0:15:56] Voice 8: So the October 11th, so there's a date that you communicate, I guess, with the sales?

[0:16:03] Voice 9: Yeah, I was told that if I came as a delegate that it might be possible to deal with it today.

[0:16:15] Voice 9: yeah we always

[0:16:16] Voice 8: look at stuff that determination will the chair of the trust committee um however

[0:16:22] would probably be more prudent to wait until you have a an analysis

[0:16:26] Voice 8: of the implication

[0:16:30] Voice 8: options regarding this matter yeah thank you for that and i'll just say it's i would consider

[0:16:38] part of this committee's due diligence to give that staff

[0:16:41] Voice 8: advice okay um and

[0:16:44] Voice 3: i'll just check

[0:16:45] Voice 3: online uh trustee harris do you have any questions

[0:16:48] Voice 8: at all no

[0:16:50] Voice 17: no questions i'm listening intently

[0:16:54] Voice 8: can i even have a comment to this um

[0:16:58] Voice 4: no because it's not an app it's not an application that we're now out of i'd

[0:17:03] Voice 8: just like to add some

[0:17:04] Voice 8: a little clarity as uh if that's okay related okay okay

[0:17:13] Voice 5: all right so anyways a few new faces

[0:17:17] Voice 5: i'm norman rockwell used to be quite involved with uh uh the trust in uh some applications so

[0:17:30] i'm this is really quite a simple undertaking we have two parties to accommodate the owners

[0:17:38] Voice 5: The trust beneficiaries, the lambs, who now have signed off that they don't want this covenant.

[0:17:46] Voice 5: It's not necessary anymore.

[0:17:48] Voice 5: It's a parking covenant on residential land.

[0:17:51] Voice 5: I don't know that we really need to have a lot of due diligence.

[0:17:56] Voice 5: We have three parties here.

[0:17:59] Voice 5: The owners, the lambs, both do not want the covenant.

[0:18:02] Voice 5: The covenant holder, who has no vested interest in this, being the trust.

[0:18:07] Voice 5: So I'm unsure why we can't always come together and say,

[0:18:13] Voice 5: well, this doesn't need to wait a month.

[0:18:16] Voice 5: What are we gonna study?

[0:18:18] Voice 5: What are we gonna know further in a month

[0:18:20] Voice 5: than we

[0:18:21] Voice 8: don't know today?

[0:18:27] Voice 8: Essentially, I mean, I think that I've heard it,

[0:18:31] Voice 8: I haven't read this covenant myself.

[0:18:33] Voice 8: My planners will review it and we will look at it

[0:18:36] Voice 8: and hope to have an answer to that question about,

[0:18:40] And it may well be that there is no issue here,

[0:18:44] and I hope that there isn't.

[0:18:45] And I hope you're right.

[0:18:46] Voice 8: But the reality is that we haven't determined that

[0:18:50] Voice 8: for the benefit of the trust.

[0:18:51] Voice 8: We are speaking towards the covenant.

[0:18:53] Voice 8: So that's best be assured to be put in place.

[0:18:56] Voice 8: That's what I would recommend the LPC consider.

[0:18:59] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick.

[0:19:00] Voice 8: We will be discussing trying to get a special meeting

[0:19:04] Voice 8: between now and October 11th.

[0:19:06] Voice 8: And that's something you can talk to staff

[0:19:07] Voice 8: if their analysis could be done earlier so there there may be an opportunity uh if the work could

[0:19:14] Voice 8: coincide to be quicker um we

[0:19:17] Voice 5: certainly appreciate that but surfing back to the covenant itself it's

[0:19:21] Voice 5: it's basically a page and a half and it says the lambs have the right to part commercial

[0:19:29] Voice 5: commercial their commercial enterprise on a residential land which isn't even

[0:19:32] Voice 5: allowed anymore. Really, I mean, we can take five minutes to read a covenant and this could

[0:19:41] Voice 5: be done and save everybody and the staff's precious time. You know, Chris, you know,

[0:19:48] Voice 8: I think we can move this along, quite honestly. So it just

[0:19:54] Voice 17: seems very simple.

[0:19:59] Voice 6: I

[0:19:59] Voice 4: have my

[0:20:01] Voice 17: hand raised sorry thank you

[0:20:04] Voice 17: yeah you know honestly I'd be happy to move this

[0:20:07] Voice 17: along today I don't know if I'd have any support from my fellow LTC or the staff but I would

[0:20:15] Voice 17: be happy to make a motion if it would be entertained thank

[0:20:20] Voice 6: you thanks is

[0:20:24] Voice 17: there any willingness

[0:20:25] Voice 17: this from the LTC to entertain a motion.

[0:20:29] Voice 3: Well, Trustee

[0:20:30] Voice 3: Harris,

[0:20:33] Voice 3: we don't have a recommendation

[0:20:35] Voice 3: here, so it would be a motion on the fly.

[0:20:39] Voice 3: And I'll just state that

[0:20:44] I'm more comfortable taking

[0:20:46] staff advice and

[0:20:47] Voice 8: getting that

[0:20:48] Voice 8: information from staff myself.

[0:20:50] Voice 8: So I'm not sure if there's

[0:20:54] Voice 8: much purpose.

[0:20:55] Voice 17: I haven't heard from

[0:20:56] Voice 17: Trustee Patrick.

[0:21:00] Voice 8: with any legal instrument I think it is advisable to have somebody read it we are a party to this

[0:21:07] Voice 8: agreement and we need to have it read and advice provided advice I'm not a lawyer so

[0:21:16] Voice 17: okay so that's great thank you thank you for that for the record I've made my

[0:21:20] Voice 17: piece I'd be happy to move this along today but I do not have a support from the LTC thank you

[0:21:26] Voice 17: okay

[0:21:27] Voice 4: thank you trustee harris um

[0:21:29] Voice 18: next section is trustee reports

[0:21:34] Voice 18: um trustee harris would you like to go first today

[0:21:38] Voice 18: sure

[0:21:38] Voice 17: i'd love to um i'll keep it pretty short um there's um you know i could go on and on and on

[0:21:47] Voice 17: um i'll just talk about the um governance committee meeting we had recently um where my

[0:21:53] Voice 17: My position on the Financial Planning Committee was terminated.

[0:21:57] Voice 17: And in my opinion, I feel that it was a political move and it felt very much like an attack.

[0:22:03] Voice 17: And I'm so sorry that this type of thing is happening in this organization.

[0:22:07] Voice 17: And personally, I truly hope we see a municipality sooner than later.

[0:22:11] Voice 17: And the Islands Trust be gone from Salisbury Island.

[0:22:13] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:22:19] Voice 8: um let's say this summer you know i was told by a local group that

[0:22:28] Voice 8: they didn't they didn't like me because they thought i was supporting a growth model

[0:22:34] Voice 8: and that also i speak kindly of housing advocates um i

[0:22:38] Voice 9: tried to explain to them that i'm i'm trying

[0:22:41] Voice 9: to develop housing options to house the people who are already here on that note i spent the

[0:22:47] Voice 9: summer looking. I looked behind the fences and through the trees and next to houses and behind

[0:22:52] Voice 9: houses and I spoke to

[0:22:54] Voice 8: islanders. I already knew many workers were living in RVs, tiny homes,

[0:22:58] Voice 8: yurts, tents, cars, and dilapidated shacks, but what I did not know was how many. I can now

[0:23:06] Voice 9: conservatively estimate that there's around a thousand people. Makes up a huge

[0:23:11] Voice 8: chunk of our

[0:23:12] Voice 8: workforce. I'm showing what I discovered to the candidates who are running to be our next

[0:23:18] Voice 8: MLA. It's not okay that this island workforce must live like this. I was telling the Islands Trust

[0:23:27] Voice 8: former CAO what

[0:23:29] Voice 9: I was seeing, and he was confused and could not understand why people would live in

[0:23:34] Voice 9: RVs. I asked him, where are they supposed to live? We have less than

[0:23:40] Voice 8: zero percent rental

[0:23:42] Voice 8: availability. That's right, more people are looking to rent than units available. Of course, most

[0:23:48] Voice 8: people don't

[0:23:49] Voice 8: want to live in an RV. You try it and see how you like it. We, and I

[0:23:56] Voice 8: mean all of us

[0:23:57] Voice 8: locally elected on the island, need to set clear joint priorities on the types of housing that

[0:24:03] Voice 8: should be serviced, that match community values, and meet our needs. Without a clear and concise

[0:24:09] Voice 8: housing strategy, we risk undermining or misunderstanding each other, which only serves

[0:24:15] Voice 8: to further frustrate the already frustrated.

[0:24:18] Voice 9: We also risk squandering away

[0:24:20] Voice 8: what little servicing capacity

[0:24:22] Voice 9: that remains.

[0:24:23] Voice 9: This work needs to happen right now.

[0:24:25] Voice 9: And I look forward to participating with the LCC.

[0:24:28] Voice 9: And I humbly request that we all go,

[0:24:31] Voice 8: let go of our personal beliefs and preferences

[0:24:34] Voice 8: and work together for the common good of the island.

[0:24:39] Voice 9: It's been a busy summer.

[0:24:40] Voice 9: I've attended lots of meetings.

[0:24:41] Voice 9: We had the trust council community of the whole meeting,

[0:24:44] Voice 9: which we're still continuing to work

[0:24:45] Voice 9: from the draft policy statement governance committee meetings held a couple of them this

[0:24:49] Voice 9: summer the cao hiring committee is continuing to narrow their search the regional planning

[0:24:56] Voice 9: committee most important work there is renewing the bylaw enforcement policy following suggestions

[0:25:02] Voice 9: from the ombudsman we have the joint ltc local trust committee meeting and

[0:25:09] Voice 8: i'm pleased to report

[0:25:10] Voice 8: that there are the lcc through their economic development delegated authority will organize

[0:25:15] Voice 8: a round table on short-term rentals.

[0:25:18] Voice 8: I participated in the Climate Caucus meeting

[0:25:20] Voice 8: with Honorable Nathan Cullen,

[0:25:23] Voice 8: the Minister of Water Land Resource Stewardship.

[0:25:26] Voice 8: I had prepared and had submitted a question to him

[0:25:30] Voice 8: about

[0:25:31] Voice 9: what the

[0:25:33] Voice 8: province could do

[0:25:33] Voice 8: to

[0:25:33] Voice 9: support a whole of society,

[0:25:36] Voice 8: which is private landowners

[0:25:37] Voice 8: and all

[0:25:39] Voice 9: of our local, provincial, federal,

[0:25:41] Voice 9: First Nation jurisdictions approach

[0:25:43] Voice 9: to raise the awareness to wildfire hazards

[0:25:46] Voice 9: and to develop an active management solutions

[0:25:48] Voice 9: that can be nature friendly,

[0:25:50] Voice 8: sensitively and proactively applied

[0:25:53] Voice 8: to practically apply to me to reduce the risk of fire.

[0:25:57] Voice 8: I also volunteered at the Pride Festival events

[0:25:59] Voice 8: at the Farmer Institute,

[0:26:01] Voice 8: and I'm so proud that Salt Spring Community

[0:26:03] Voice 8: hosts such inclusive events.

[0:26:05] Voice 8: And that's my report.

[0:26:09] Voice 4: And next up it is Chair's Report Code.

[0:26:12] Voice 4: Oh, Trustee Harris, do you have your hand up still?

[0:26:16] Voice 17: I just put it up.

[0:26:17] Voice 17: I don't know.

[0:26:21] Voice 4: I'm

[0:26:21] Voice 17: not going to say anything.

[0:26:22] Voice 17: I'll put it there, but I can't believe what I just heard.

[0:26:27] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:26:28] Voice 4: Oh, good.

[0:26:29] Voice 4: Your hand's down.

[0:26:29] Voice 4: All right.

[0:26:30] Voice 4: Next up is the Chair's report.

[0:26:34] Voice 4: So, yeah, surprisingly busy summer since it was last year on the 22nd

[0:26:39] Voice 4: for the meeting with the local community commission.

[0:26:42] Voice 4: Trust Programs Committee

[0:26:44] Voice 3: met on August 26th putting together business cases for next

[0:26:48] Voice 3: fiscal. We endorsed project charters for stewardship webinars including living with fire,

[0:26:59] Voice 3: saltwater intrusion in groundwater conservation, and removal of invasive species in native plant

[0:27:05] Voice 3: plant gardening. So we'll see

[0:27:07] Voice 3: those webinars roll out. They're

[0:27:11] Voice 4: certainly popular amongst

[0:27:13] Voice 3: folks on the islands who are interested in these topics and stewardship.

[0:27:20] Voice 3: September 5th,

[0:27:22] Voice 3: attended the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, which for those that don't know it, consists

[0:27:29] Voice 3: consists of trustees in the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:27:35] Voice 3: the MLA's office, the MP May's office,

[0:27:40] Voice 3: and some First Nations leaders.

[0:27:46] Voice 3: September 5th was really sort of a farewell for MLA Olsen,

[0:27:51] Voice 3: and then putting together a plan

[0:27:53] Voice 3: for engaging the candidates for MLA in the riding here,

[0:28:00] Voice 3: inviting them to participate in the forum ahead of the election so that's sort of putting to be

[0:28:05] Voice 3: an opponent i think it's been uh uh mla olsen has certainly been a huge factor in putting that

[0:28:12] Voice 3: forum together i think it's got a lot of value um as uh bringing together the local federal and

[0:28:19] Voice 3: provincial representatives as well as first nation voices discussing the issues that affect southern

[0:28:27] Voice 3: gulf islands um and and pardon me and also the uh the regional district uh

[0:28:35] Voice 8: uh uh cereal directors

[0:28:37] Voice 8: uh holman and paul brent are purple that have both been participants in that forum um

[0:28:42] Voice 7: and so

[0:28:44] Voice 8: hopefully the

[0:28:44] Voice 8: umla whoever that uh ends up being is is going to come on board and be part of that

[0:28:51] Voice 8: those continued

[0:28:51] Voice 3: conversations uh governance committee met on monday um and we're advancing

[0:28:57] Voice 3: the uh request province review the island's

[0:29:01] Voice 3: trust to trust

[0:29:01] Voice 8: council um for the september meeting uh

[0:29:05] Voice 8: week after next album in naimo uh trustee patrick mentioned the cao hiring committee is

[0:29:12] Voice 8: continuing to whittle down the list of candidates um

[0:29:16] Voice 3: executive committee meeting uh yesterday

[0:29:20] Voice 3: We focused on the Council meeting, as I mentioned, in Nanaibo.

[0:29:28] Also we'll be suggesting the Trust Council

[0:29:31] Voice 3: process for establishing a Chief Administrator

[0:29:34] Voice 3: Officer Office performance evaluation policy, which is much needed.

[0:29:38] Voice 3: And the Trust

[0:29:40] Voice 8: Council will be publicly revisiting the interpretation of the Honours of Trust

[0:29:45] Voice 8: section three also preparing for the

[0:29:50] Voice 3: union of ec municipalities convention next week

[0:29:52] Voice 3: and finally one of the things dear to my heart the executive committee requested staff to

[0:29:57] Voice 3: organize a

[0:30:00] Voice 3: archaeology project presentation for trustees and interest staff. The project is run by

[0:30:11] Leskete resident Daniel

[0:30:13] Voice 8: Lepofsky, he's also a professor of archaeology at SFU and it's

[0:30:18] Voice 8: been a really interesting project and has involved Indigenous partners right from the

[0:30:24] start so i'm happy to see that and it's

[0:30:28] Voice 3: a fascinating um history of some of patterns

[0:30:32] Voice 8: first nations in the area so

[0:30:36] Voice 4: that's uh all i have and then i'll turn it over to

[0:30:40] Voice 8: the this

[0:30:41] Voice 4: lcc chair uh rook thank

[0:30:43] Voice 8: you thank you um

[0:30:45] Voice 4: you've

[0:30:46] Voice 8: got a full agenda

[0:30:47] Voice 8: on try and keep a brief um september must be budget time um crd services on the island

[0:31:10] Voice 8: and other things that we've been working on we've recently published the first draft of our

[0:31:14] Voice 8: strategic plan um before the lcc there are a couple of items i'd like to call your attention

[0:31:20] Voice 8: to that you have an impact on the LTC under our economic sustainability goals. Development of an

[0:31:30] Voice 8: integrated housing strategy for Salt Spring Island is the top of the list. We had hoped to get an

[0:31:37] Voice 8: initial meeting with some of our local experts this month to get that strategy started.

[0:32:00] Voice 8: We also have a couple of other goals, one is for a revitalized Ganges village, and that

[0:32:13] Voice 8: And that would be involving the trust on a number of elements,

[0:32:16] Voice 8: not just the place.

[0:32:18] Voice 8: It is a part of a lot of property

[0:32:22] and a conserving role in carbon management .

[0:32:28] Voice 8: And finally, one of our government priorities

[0:32:32] Voice 8: collaboration government,

[0:32:36] Voice 8: specifically with the local trust committee.

[0:32:39] Voice 8: I think we've got a really great start there.

[0:32:41] Voice 8: And I think we can continue to do that.

[0:32:46] Voice 8: We had just this week a first town hall meeting on the subject of bylaws and agriculture.

[0:32:54] Voice 8: It was, to say the least, enthusiastic. It's not over the top, but we did get a lot of feedback.

[0:33:01] Voice 8: I expect that the LCC will be undertaking a review of CRD bylaws relative to agriculture on the island in the coming months.

[0:33:14] Voice 8: We do not have explicit authority for that from the perspective of gathering information from the community and making recommendations where we feel appropriate to the CRD board for any changes that we feel might be beneficial to the Salisbury community.

[0:33:31] There's nothing else, there are a lot of options.

[0:33:38] So it's clear as to

[0:33:39] Voice 8: all of that.

[0:33:43] Voice 8: In the my laws, and so that's something

[0:33:46] Voice 8: we'll be working on and obviously has some overlap

[0:33:48] Voice 8: with trust selling matters.

[0:33:53] Voice 8: We are hoping to have the round table

[0:33:58] Voice 8: on the short-term engagement rentals set up soon.

[0:34:02] Voice 8: And as we mentioned in our last joint meeting,

[0:34:06] Voice 8: We stand ready to support the OTC in an advocacy role if there are things where we can add our weight to yours in conditioning provincial government or other senior levels of government for the benefit of the Salisbury community.

[0:34:24] Voice 8: Whether that's just to get more information or more access, we're ready to add our voice when that's appropriate.

[0:34:32] Voice 8: over it and so i look forward to working with tim and setting up our our next meeting i think we're

[0:34:38] Voice 8: making some real progress working together and i i'd really like to see that continue i think

[0:34:42] Voice 8: starting to bear fruit it's a slow process but we've got a good start

[0:34:51] Thanks, Chair. On the housing issue, while it wasn't a CRD action, the big news on that

[0:35:03] front was North Salt Ring

[0:35:04] Voice 8: proposing to be consulted with the public and working with

[0:35:12] Voice 8: other partners of the syrian trust but the potential for partially lifting the water

[0:35:17] territory in the service area is is huge news and the north salt spring trustees really deserve our

[0:35:27] thanks for it's been a difficult long process where north salt spring has been subject to

[0:35:36] a fair bit of criticism around the moratorium rationale for it and the accusations

[0:35:42] Voice 8: of it being

[0:35:42] Voice 8: political in this nonsense in any case it does offer a real opportunity to make some progress

[0:35:51] on

[0:35:52] Voice 8: formal housing particularly in the Ganges area which is

[0:35:55] Voice 8: a logical place for it has direct

[0:36:03] for

[0:36:04] Voice 8: Syracuse Drake Grove property.

[0:36:07] Drake Grove now the foundations for the 36 unit supported worker housing project.

[0:36:16] Those foundations are starting to rise above the ground.

[0:36:22] Voice 8: We have proven groundwater to support that facility.

[0:36:28] Voice 8: And I'm not sure that we would need to rely at all on interpersonal spring water,

[0:36:33] Voice 8: But it's a five acre property and there is development potential on the rest of the property.

[0:36:40] In fact,

[0:36:41] Voice 8: BC Housing has a 60 year lease on it.

[0:36:45] So

[0:36:45] Voice 8: they essentially declared paramount seed in consultation with the trust in the city.

[0:36:51] Voice 8: So there is some more development potential there and having access to north-south ring water.

[0:36:58] Voice 8: You know, it's not a deal breaker. We can drill for other water.

[0:37:02] Voice 8: We would set aside community works funds to do that, which we did for the water for supported housing.

[0:37:07] Voice 8: But it certainly would reduce costs and increase the security of supply if we can connect it to North Salisbury.

[0:37:16] Voice 8: So there's a direct impact of that lifting of a moratorium on Searie property, but also other properties in Angie's area.

[0:37:26] Voice 8: The north is getting clear. They want to work with the partners, particularly the trust

[0:37:32] of the CRD and we'll be we'll be discussing this for a workshop of experts on affordable

[0:37:43] housing to inform an

[0:37:45] Voice 8: integrated strategy that will include trustee Patrick's been invited

[0:37:54] Voice 8: We should be inviting North Sultry as well.

[0:38:00] So in my view, and this is a personal view, but North Sultry has indicated about 300 additional

[0:38:08] densities could be available if that partial lifting is approved after a public consultation.

[0:38:16] I suspect that may be a conservative number, but

[0:38:18] Voice 8: that's probably the way to proceed.

[0:38:22] Voice 8: my point there though when i have the same point with respect to sewage capacity we are also

[0:38:31] Voice 5: eliminating the pinch points in the sewer collection system to free up capacity in that

[0:38:37] Voice 5: collection system for another five hundred units the plant itself has quite a lot of capacity the

[0:38:44] constraint is in that collection system so both water and sewer capacity are being increased

[0:38:50] But in both cases, there's a finite amount of capacity, and so, in my view, part of our

[0:38:57] strategic discussion

[0:38:58] Voice 8: should be how do we maximize the benefits of that very limited water and

[0:39:05] Voice 8: sewer capacity?

[0:39:07] Voice 8: How do we maximize the benefits for our communities?

[0:39:09] Voice 8: In my view, the way to do that is to ensure, as much as possible, that the units served

[0:39:17] Voice 8: by that additional capacity are truly affordable, protected by a covenant, which is a lot roomier

[0:39:25] Voice 8: than being, I think, a housing agreement, ensuring that the housing is affordable in

[0:39:30] Voice 8: perpetuity to break that link to the marketplace.

[0:39:33] So I think that should be part of our strategic discussion, and can we even achieve that?

[0:39:40] A related issue is students.

[0:39:43] So

[0:39:43] Voice 8: the trust is already legalized for hundreds of properties within the North Salt Springs

[0:39:51] Voice 8: service area, properties for suites, but up to now have been constrained on the moratorium.

[0:39:58] Voice 8: So I think a key strategic consideration will be will those suites be considered an additional

[0:40:04] Voice 8: or will they be considered dead suites?

[0:40:06] So if you were to approve an additional suite, does that mean instead of 300 units of water

[0:40:13] Voice 8: being available now there's 299 you know i think that's very crucial and i think ideally if we can

[0:40:19] Voice 8: if we could um approve streets maybe you're gonna want on one basis subject to six of the

[0:40:28] conservation measures so we we don't have to use those precious um let's call the water densities

[0:40:39] that ideally should be going to affordable multi-family housing and again on the uh so

[0:40:46] to be all to be discussed and we'll look forward to future discussions with the LTC

[0:40:50] I

[0:40:51] Voice 8: mentioned Drake Grove um and uh I have mentioned here several times

[0:41:06] Voice 8: CRD sought and through a return of approval process and received voter approval to borrow

[0:41:13] Voice 8: 85 million dollars to support the next version of our regional housing fund. That ADP was challenged

[0:41:22] Voice 8: in court and

[0:41:23] Voice 5: the court hearing on that has been delayed now a couple of times. It's been delayed

[0:41:30] yet once again so the

[0:41:33] Voice 5: court is not hearing that issue until november so basically we've been

[0:41:37] Voice 5: delayed for the better part of the year uh in borrowing that

[0:41:43] Voice 8: funding which we would put on the

[0:41:45] Voice 8: table and have already requested the problems to match that funding which we did with our previous

[0:41:50] Voice 8: program which one has the first which is a three-way match regional provincial um so sadly

[0:41:58] sadly reporting that that court decision on that but at some point by the end of the year

[0:42:05] uh we're we're convinced the aap was

[0:42:09] Voice 8: legally constituted at some point that funding will

[0:42:14] Voice 8: become available it will be put on the table this will be an issue for the district and depending

[0:42:19] Voice 8: on that government uh it's not at all clear at this point that the province is going to match

[0:42:24] that funding that would be unfortunate

[0:42:27] Voice 8: just one other thing on the housing front i did contact

[0:42:31] Voice 8: bc housing staff because in our meeting the lcc ltc meeting uh trustee patrick mentioned

[0:42:39] that uh data sharing from the uh short-term rental registry of the bc housing was insisting that

[0:42:49] will require licensing my understanding is that's not the case now and i've received confirmation

[0:42:56] directly from staff and i guess i have a question there can your staff or can you confirm that in

[0:43:02] fact that day would be available without having to implement some kind of

[0:43:06] Voice 8: licensing program

[0:43:07] Voice 8: sure curious why the chair yes i had direct communications with the problems about data

[0:43:18] Voice 8: data sharing, and I just have it open now in front of me.

[0:43:21] Voice 8: They're requiring us to sign a data sharing agreement,

[0:43:24] Voice 8: which unfortunately I have not read yet.

[0:43:27] Voice 8: CAO has to sign that agreement in the end,

[0:43:29] Voice 8: but I can sort of give you more information

[0:43:31] Voice 8: after I know the contents of that.

[0:43:34] Voice 8: They're quite reluctant to include us.

[0:43:37] Voice 8: So I suspect that they'll have quite a lot of gates

[0:43:40] Voice 8: and control on the data sharing

[0:43:41] Voice 8: for specific purposes and you can share it.

[0:43:44] Voice 8: But if you have more questions,

[0:43:48] Voice 8: I understand they haven't made the licensing and condition them.

[0:43:53] Voice 8: That's what we don't have to have a license to get access to that.

[0:43:57] Voice 8: I think testing back.

[0:44:02] Voice 8: On the bracket springs. I noticed that it's on your agenda.

[0:44:09] Voice 8: And I've been in contact with real estate that properties under foreclosure.

[0:44:14] Voice 8: it's not maintaining the advanced city uh so uh but the agent representing the city had indicated

[0:44:22] in the discussion of the trust trust staff uh that the housing review was an impediment to selling

[0:44:27] the property i think the one so i i do for whatever it's worth chair uh i do hope the trust

[0:44:35] Voice 8: committee will consider doing that but my understanding is that in order to get the i

[0:44:40] Voice 8: believe it's 11 densities otherwise it's so single-family resident residential that in order

[0:44:47] Voice 8: to get those additional densities there will have to be some kind of housing agreement requiring

[0:44:52] Voice 8: some degree of affordability and i'm saying yes that would be good it just doesn't maybe

[0:44:58] Voice 8: necessarily have to be as strict as the current uh one uh the the

[0:45:05] Voice 8: seer the board just approved

[0:45:07] Voice 8: through yesterday's board meeting,

[0:45:09] we'll be seeking voter approval

[0:45:11] again through the alternative approval process for NY

[0:45:15] to establish a food land service.

[0:45:18] And what that service would,

[0:45:20] the

[0:45:20] Voice 8: idea there is to use public

[0:45:24] Voice 8: and even private lands on like a leasehold basis

[0:45:27] Voice 8: to enable farmers to have access to land

[0:45:30] Voice 8: without having to purchase land.

[0:45:32] Voice 8: And so part of that funding could be grants,

[0:45:35] Voice 8: for example, for infrastructure.

[0:45:37] Voice 8: So Sultry will be part of that service

[0:45:40] Voice 8: and there may be opportunities here on Sultry

[0:45:42] Voice 8: to take you into that about funding.

[0:45:45] Voice 8: Just wanted to mention the Ganges Hill repaving underway.

[0:45:51] Voice 8: It's Monday to Friday, 9 to 3 p.m. from now

[0:45:57] Voice 8: for the foreseeable future, the pricing progress.

[0:46:03] I made a point of writing that in my notes here today, Chair, but of

[0:46:11] Voice 8: course leaving for

[0:46:12] Voice 8: this meeting, I didn't leave earlier.

[0:46:14] Voice 8: It's going to take us a while as a community to kind of keep it in our heads that wherever

[0:46:18] Voice 8: you're going and you're asking that point, you have to leave a little earlier.

[0:46:23] Voice 8: So I think the message will sink in over the next year.

[0:46:28] Voice 8: year. And just one final thing. LCC Chair mentioned the series

[0:46:35] budget, the series board will be approving our professional

[0:46:39] budget October 30. That includes the LCC portion, but also the

[0:46:44] regional portion. And it's going to be a difficult year. Right

[0:46:52] Voice 8: now what is being proposed will be done. And we have to do our

[0:46:57] Voice 8: best to be as prudent as we can but on the other hand there's investments we also we also need to

[0:47:04] make um and i got just the one final

[0:47:08] Voice 8: thing about ministers god help me chair uh i did attend the

[0:47:12] Voice 8: lcc meeting there um i will say and it was

[0:47:19] Voice 8: very clear but the vast majority felt that the crd

[0:47:24] Voice 8: by law enforcement was onerous um i i disagree respectfully uh there are there are other opinions

[0:47:32] Voice 8: and so when we consider uh the lcc will be reviewing that bylaw when we consider

[0:47:44] uh changes to the bible or changes in process we need to be considering all the perspectives the

[0:47:51] the frequency of where searing bylaw has to intervene around agriculture is very rare like

[0:48:00] I think over the last five years there's been

[0:48:02] Voice 8: many five cases including this one and even rarer what

[0:48:06] Voice 8: we have to go for and this was unprecedented so I

[0:48:12] Voice 5: just think we should be thinking about that

[0:48:16] Voice 5: context before making changes to zoning before making changes to the employees by law it may

[0:48:22] well be that the status quo may not be the worst

[0:48:26] Voice 8: thing in the world chair and the status quo means

[0:48:28] Voice 8: that in very rare instances on smaller lots you will have occasional conflicts around noise and

[0:48:35] Voice 8: that happens in any community and so if we're thinking about changing the zoning or thinking

[0:48:39] Voice 8: about changing the bylaw i think we need to be considering the fact that it doesn't happen very

[0:48:44] Voice 8: very often. That's my routine for the day too.

[0:48:49] Voice 8: Just a quick question on the housing workshop.

[0:48:53] Voice 8: Is there any ability to attend

[0:48:57] Voice 8: virtually? There should be.

[0:49:01] Voice 8: So we were attending it as a meeting of so-called

[0:49:06] Voice 8: experts. So not a political meeting or a policy meeting

[0:49:10] but really to get into the depth of the detail about

[0:49:13] of A, what can we do at large, like all agencies,

[0:49:21] but to hone in specifically on what's the LCC role in that.

[0:49:26] Voice 8: And the LCC only plays a certain role.

[0:49:28] Voice 8: CRD at large plays a role in trust in our small spring.

[0:49:32] Voice 8: So the idea was to get the so-called experts at the table.

[0:49:37] Voice 8: So for example, we'll be inviting Justine Stark

[0:49:39] Voice 8: as a forward planner, and I'll see her staff

[0:49:41] Voice 8: for overseeing the rural housing program.

[0:49:43] that's

[0:49:43] Voice 8: definitely a key part of what's going on.

[0:49:46] Janice Gauthier, who's a housing consultant,

[0:49:50] has probably worked on more formal projects

[0:49:52] than any other consultant on Salisbury or Planner Hutton.

[0:49:56] And I guess we're considering trusting Patrick as an expert

[0:50:02] and also the planning for Salisbury,

[0:50:05] particularly now with

[0:50:06] Voice 10: the consideration of it.

[0:50:09] Voice 10: But the

[0:50:09] Voice 8: idea is it's kind of a workshop.

[0:50:11] Voice 8: What comes out of that, though,

[0:50:13] Voice 8: it could be policy decisions that obviously have been of the elected bodies right to

[0:50:17] Voice 8: make the decisions but yeah yeah and referral attendance would be possible okay great yeah

[0:50:22] because i'm certainly no

[0:50:24] Voice 8: expert but i'd be very interested in listening

[0:50:26] Voice 8: okay

[0:50:27] Voice 4: so moving on uh we have the

[0:50:33] Voice 8: minutes of july 11th regular meeting for adoption anything on

[0:50:38] Voice 8: those minutes from trustees yes

[0:50:41] Voice 7: there's one minor

[0:50:44] Voice 8: typo on page six page seven six of the agenda

[0:50:50] Voice 8: package sorry in section 10.1 first bullet it refers to bylaw five five seven that's five three

[0:51:05] Voice 8: Yes. Okay.

[0:51:08] Voice 4: And anything else?

[0:51:10] Voice 4: No.

[0:51:11] Voice 6: All

[0:51:13] Voice 4: right. Anything from you, Trustee Harris?

[0:51:16] Voice 17: Not at this time. Thank you very much.

[0:51:19] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you. Then I'll take it by general consent.

[0:51:22] Voice 4: We will adopt those minutes as presented.

[0:51:25] Voice 4: And next we have draft minutes of the July 31st special meeting.

[0:51:31] Voice 4: Anything on those minutes?

[0:51:33] Voice 4: On those minutes? All right. I'll take it by general consent.

[0:51:39] we will adopt those minutes as presented next on

[0:51:45] Voice 8: page 84 we have the resolutions without meeting

[0:51:48] Voice 8: report for information unless otherwise desired and

[0:51:55] Voice 4: then moving on we have four pieces of

[0:51:57] Voice 4: correspondence and unless trustees would like to raise any of those for discussion or action

[0:52:04] Voice 4: we

[0:52:04] Voice 8: can accept them for information as well anything on the correspondence trustees

[0:52:12] Voice 8: no all right those are received for information uh

[0:52:18] Voice 3: next we have the follow-up action list on page 96

[0:52:21] Voice 3: and i'll turn to staff to see if there's anything you'd like to uh say

[0:52:26] Voice 8: about those um not much at

[0:52:29] Voice 8: this time mr chair however maybe this is the time i know you wanted to talk about me but it will

[0:52:32] Voice 8: note that um we were intending to have a report on the overall work program which would follow

[0:52:37] Voice 8: follow-up action list for this meeting.

[0:52:39] As

[0:52:40] Voice 8: noted, we're pretending to bring that back.

[0:52:41] Voice 8: So just a mea culpa that this list

[0:52:45] is

[0:52:45] Voice 8: somewhat out of date at this point,

[0:52:47] Voice 8: and we'll be bringing back a review of that

[0:52:50] Voice 8: and looking for some feedback from LTC

[0:52:52] Voice 8: on how to improve and prioritize those actions

[0:52:58] Voice 8: and maybe get a more coherent and useful.

[0:53:01] Voice 8: school uh trustees anything on the section trusted patrick i don't think that we've got

[0:53:15] Voice 8: some of the resolutions are in here um but on page 97 i know we talked about um

[0:53:25] Voice 8: you know the housing task force has never been thanked for the work that they've done

[0:53:32] Voice 8: and sits in this state of limbleness that just sort of died off the table um so i'm just concerned

[0:53:40] Voice 8: that you know that wasn't a very kind thing thank the angie's task force we haven't thanked

[0:53:46] Voice 8: the housing members that invested a lot of time and energy in supporting us so if it has indeed

[0:53:53] Voice 8: passed its course we should at least thank them so uh mr the task force itself has not been

[0:54:02] and disbanded, it still stands.

[0:54:04] However, as you know, the membership,

[0:54:06] I believe, of all members of that task force has expired.

[0:54:10] So it is at a point where, you know,

[0:54:13] if I would bring that work program towards you today,

[0:54:15] probably one of my recommendations would be to disband

[0:54:17] and thank those members.

[0:54:20] Voice 8: That's certainly something we could do in a future meeting,

[0:54:22] Voice 8: or if you wish to just make that motion,

[0:54:24] Voice 8: it's on board today, in addition to the agenda.

[0:54:27] Voice 8: So that, but in any case,

[0:54:30] Voice 8: that is one that we know that is certainly outstanding

[0:54:35] Voice 8: We haven't ignored the housing task force so much as it simply has not had any budgeted

[0:54:40] Voice 8: any action.

[0:54:46] Voice 8: Certainly.

[0:54:46] Voice 8: I mean, I would entertain a motion to thank the members that's been perfectly appropriate.

[0:54:54] Voice 8: Or did you say a report would be coming?

[0:54:58] Voice 8: If I could remind LTC that when we previously recommended this amendment, the member said

[0:55:03] Voice 8: to get an objection to that and ask that and LTC

[0:55:07] Voice 8: and subsequently ask that staff report back on options

[0:55:10] Voice 8: for other ways to utilize or other options to this.

[0:55:18] Voice 8: That actually is still outstanding.

[0:55:20] Voice 8: So this is kind of where we've been at for a while.

[0:55:22] Voice 8: The recommendation from staff originally was to be expanded

[0:55:25] Voice 8: in 19-0.

[0:55:30] Voice 8: So I have one other note on the follow-up action list.

[0:55:34] this is related to just the way i know the way the programs work um that things get bumped off

[0:55:43] Voice 3: as more things get added and i had uh i think i said uh maybe i sent you an email um but i know

[0:55:53] Voice 3: i was one of the things that i noted in terms of trustees and staff being able to sort of keep

[0:55:58] keep track of this a

[0:55:59] Voice 3: couple of the LTCs that I'm on um send out follow-up action lists as a

[0:56:06] Voice 3: discrete document uh on to web dev and I was thinking that might be a simple way to sort of

[0:56:14] Voice 8: track and be able to keep track of of these actions so that as the program bumps things off

[0:56:23] Voice 8: there's still a way for trustees and staff to go and access older versions and i'm not sure

[0:56:31] Voice 8: whether that's from my end it doesn't seem like it would be a lot

[0:56:38] Voice 3: of extra work hopefully it wouldn't

[0:56:40] Voice 3: be but that was one one way that i thought might be relatively simple to sort of have an ongoing

[0:56:46] Voice 3: going log of

[0:56:48] Voice 8: a follow up action resolution so that that things

[0:56:54] Voice 8: don't disappear, sort of completely.

[0:56:57] Voice 8: That's a takeaway. I think I think I had seen that email in

[0:57:01] Voice 8: action. Just when you got off the shuffle president, the

[0:57:06] Voice 8: the signing for that, we can follow up on it. Certainly, if

[0:57:11] Voice 8: you're wanting to report back here, we can do that or keep

[0:57:15] Voice 8: that at the operational level I think it's fine and appropriate unless the exploration of that

[0:57:20] Voice 8: option reveals that we need to be more at this table we didn't take that as a note to continue

[0:57:28] Voice 8: at the operational level and certainly

[0:57:31] Voice 3: that northern office

[0:57:32] Voice 8: is doing that on a fairly

[0:57:34] Voice 8: regular basis and so that's just a suggestion and yeah you want to let us know if you find that

[0:57:43] Voice 8: that's somehow difficult or for something that shouldn't happen and that'd be great to let us

[0:57:49] Voice 8: know and otherwise it could just be a good resource um thank you Mr. Chair uh Trustee

[0:58:00] Voice 8: Harris that's his name okay

[0:58:01] Voice 17: Trustee Harris well thank you Chair Peterson in regards to the housing

[0:58:06] Voice 17: task force um I you know I've earlier in the term um you know I spent quite a bit of time with them

[0:58:15] Voice 17: and regarding bylaw 530 and they were pressuring you know greatly to have bylaw 530 passed in its

[0:58:23] Voice 17: entirety and i was in full support and um you know i was aware at that time that we needed

[0:58:28] Voice 17: thousands of units and there was people living in rvs um as i am right now actually um but um i

[0:58:36] Voice 17: think a thank a thank you to the housing task force is almost like an insult in my opinion

[0:58:41] Voice 17: opinion um i would think we really would owe should if we're going to do anything we owe them

[0:58:46] Voice 17: an apology for ignoring um their requests and their hard work and um bylaw 530 was a fine thing

[0:58:54] Voice 17: and we could have actually built on that um you know almost two years later and we still have

[0:58:58] Voice 17: nothing um we've heard gary holman talking about a 60-year lease well geez they better get 120-year

[0:59:03] Voice 17: lease because in the time that's been going on now between the crd and the islands trust in 60 years

[0:59:08] Voice 17: nothing will be done still so um an apology to me i would love to see something like that

[0:59:15] Voice 17: written up for the housing task force and um and and not a thank you by any means i'll leave it at

[0:59:20] Voice 17: that okay

[0:59:24] Voice 8: um yes trustee patrick what's not on the follow-up action list but should be is i know

[0:59:30] Voice 8: um connor melvin's was working on trying to get a meeting schedule so

[0:59:39] Voice 8: And we had a speaker lined up for doing a public aspect of the final meeting that was

[0:59:45] Voice 8: supposed to be happening in September.

[0:59:46] Voice 8: So I know

[0:59:47] Voice 1: we had the

[0:59:47] Voice 8: speaker, met the speaker, everything, but that sort of all fell off

[0:59:52] Voice 8: the table again with him meeting us again.

[0:59:57] Voice 8: So, um, we've got to do something.

[1:00:00] Voice 8: about this final meeting of SWPA that's uh in the air and this wonderful speaker he secured that now

[1:00:09] Voice 8: is gone okay um mr chair the um yeah the SWPA project admittedly falls off with the uh lots

[1:00:17] Voice 8: of them for the second time um the staff um and then something the choice comes down um this is

[1:00:27] Voice 8: this very large work we've been able to advance substantially over the last six months uh

[1:00:36] but simply the addition of the breathwater project is is somewhat challenging so again that's one

[1:00:43] thing one area that we need to consider how do we move forward um

[1:00:46] Voice 8: given the variety of considerable

[1:01:01] Voice 7: Yeah, this

[1:01:02] Voice 9: is a program that's been

[1:01:04] Voice 8: in places of 2014. It had its own

[1:01:07] Voice 8: funding, has its own funding. And that's a whole nother group of people that haven't been thanked for the work and effort that they put in place.

[1:01:17] Voice 8: mind the chair that was abandoned as well so i mean it's it's a we owe the public conversation

[1:01:24] Voice 8: as to why this project is just since august of 22

[1:01:29] Voice 6: has not had resources so okay

[1:01:40] Voice 4: if there's nothing

[1:01:41] Voice 4: further on this um next we have a presentation from the north salt spring water district

[1:01:47] Voice 4: thanks

[1:02:05] Voice 8: for having me um trustee harris i'm sort of behind the camera here but uh i've met the ltc

[1:02:11] Voice 8: once before in our watershed so yeah i just thought i'd do a quick i've got some slides

[1:02:19] Voice 8: here that were here in the package just about how we got to the decision that the board made at the

[1:02:25] Voice 8: end of august uh regarding the moratorium so i just thought i'd do some try to go through these

[1:02:30] Voice 8: slides fairly quickly if you have questions so um but i guess the one thing that i want to

[1:02:37] Voice 8: And this is a process that the board initiated for ourselves right back in May 2022, and

[1:02:46] Voice 8: they wanted to do a full review of all several of the issues related to that to support that

[1:02:53] Voice 8: understanding their role that they want to improve.

[1:02:57] Voice 8: And so they started down a path and we developed something called a roadmap.

[1:03:04] Voice 8: And essentially there's a couple of components to that that we've completed now, and we're

[1:03:08] Voice 8: getting to the final phase, which phase three is the decision making process.

[1:03:11] Voice 8: So

[1:03:12] Voice 10: this

[1:03:19] Voice 8: is our current timeline. We're probably six months off on our original timeline, but we probably set a very ambitious schedule for phase one and phase two to be completed.

[1:03:32] Voice 8: So what phase one was, was to do a full supply reliability study on our two lakes systems that provide water to our rig figures.

[1:03:42] Voice 8: So we have St. Mary Lake and Maxwell Lake, currently two separate systems.

[1:03:47] Voice 8: St. Mary Lake is treated with a bath plant, a plant that was put in in 2019.

[1:03:52] Voice 8: And the Maxwell system is treated with a simple chlorination treatment disinfection.

[1:03:58] Voice 8: So we did, KWL conducted studies of these two systems.

[1:04:04] Voice 8: They've been working with us for years. They have one of the province's leading hydrologists that works on their teams.

[1:04:10] Voice 8: i worked more with the california as well and this different astrologist so these reliability

[1:04:18] Voice 8: assessments were to assess what the current and future supply would look like based on potential

[1:04:25] Voice 8: demands and also the real hard look at the climate change model as well so what was the impacts of

[1:04:32] Voice 8: climate change over the next 50 years on our system so and then in support of that in space

[1:04:38] Voice 8: phase two was a water master plan which is something most municipalities do as a water

[1:04:42] Voice 8: system you do a full infrastructure sort of plan out a bit of an asset management exercise in a way

[1:04:47] Voice 8: but really includes everything from all of your storage systems your distribution systems and

[1:04:53] Voice 8: also fire flows are included in there and so this is the first one that our water district has done

[1:04:59] Voice 8: before so it really is a helpful project for us so seeing how those information from those

[1:05:05] Voice 8: two studies came together for us getting to where we are now with this decision making process.

[1:05:10] Voice 8: So I'll explain a little bit

[1:05:12] Voice 10: more the results

[1:05:13] Voice 8: of those studies. So these details, I won't go

[1:05:21] Voice 8: through all the details in here. I just kind of explained what phase one was and phase two.

[1:05:27] Voice 8: And phase three is essentially where we landed the first bullet there following the pulling

[1:05:34] Voice 8: the materials together. And it took

[1:05:37] Voice 15: a lot of time

[1:05:37] Voice 8: to make sure we were assessing everything,

[1:05:39] Voice 8: they probably have the right questions answered and because it's been 10 years with a moratorium

[1:05:46] Voice 8: in place and we've been saying no to a lot of connections for 10 years we wanted to make sure

[1:05:50] Voice 8: we had a lot of the answers ready for everybody all the partners and the public as well so

[1:05:57] Voice 8: so the first bullet talks about determining preferred options and so those preferred options

[1:06:02] Voice 8: are what is proposed right now and then we're going to go through the capital expenditure

[1:06:07] Voice 8: Charges, which I can explain a little bit more about. Community and Stakeholder Engagements

[1:06:12] Voice 8: is going to be starting in October and then a legal review looking at the policy updating

[1:06:17] Voice 8: exactly what the draft updated policy would look like. We're hoping to get completed by

[1:06:22] Voice 8: the end of this year. So that just gives some details for everybody about what the specific

[1:06:27] Voice 8: phases were about. So when we conducted this supply study, one of the things that is new

[1:06:40] Voice 8: is looking at the concept of having the two systems joined together so uh in front of

[1:06:46] Voice 8: the country roaster there's a profit pump station that's called uh there's a little brick building

[1:06:50] Voice 8: there and that's actually a place where the system's joining so uh when there was a fire

[1:06:56] Voice 8: large fire several years ago before i started with the water districts we could we could open

[1:07:03] Voice 8: up that system and we can provide fire flows for large fire events but because they're two

[1:07:08] Voice 8: different systems so we looked at some scenarios scenario one was to keep the system separate

[1:07:18] Voice 8: as it is now kind of gives us an idea of where we're headed over the first couple of years here

[1:07:24] Voice 8: scenario two was to operate them as separate systems but also look at some options there

[1:07:30] Voice 8: about being able to supply each other and have some support and scenario three is a full combination

[1:07:36] Voice 8: of the two systems.

[1:07:39] Voice 8: So when they did the initial analysis

[1:07:41] Voice 8: of these three scenarios, scenario two dropped off.

[1:07:44] Voice 8: It was determined that there wasn't an improvement at all

[1:07:46] Voice 8: in our reliability with scenario two.

[1:07:48] Voice 8: So we basically had two scenarios to focus on,

[1:07:51] Voice 8: either keep them separate,

[1:07:53] Voice 8: and the other scenario went fine.

[1:07:57] Voice 8: Next slide.

[1:08:02] Voice 8: So in the supporting reports to the decision

[1:08:05] Voice 8: that was made by the board,

[1:08:06] Voice 8: they're just being finalized now.

[1:08:07] Voice 8: There was some final edits,

[1:08:08] Voice 8: but we're gonna be posting them on our website.

[1:08:10] Voice 8: site that led to studies. But within the supply study, we have a lot of scenarios on top of those scenarios. And we looked at climate scenarios, what constitutes as an emergency condition for the water district as well when it comes to saying that if we're close to our provincial limits, because right now we have limits, that's how far we draw down the lake water. And that's really what initiated all the original moratorium decision was about those provincial limits. And where can we

[1:08:41] Voice 8: that that's a real sort of risk-based modeling that we have to look at so we have some scenarios

[1:08:47] Voice 8: in there for that as well so if i just thought with the climate change scenarios

[1:08:52] Voice 8: we have climate change modeling data that we can use for current conditions 2050 and 2080

[1:08:59] Voice 8: and so at the end of all these scenarios the results that we tried to narrow down our focus

[1:09:04] Voice 8: a little bit more onto was 2080 conditions because the design guidelines for the province

[1:09:09] Voice 8: is that we should be looking at 50-year guidelines.

[1:09:12] Voice 8: So 2080 was really the target for us

[1:09:14] Voice 8: because we wanna build something that's gonna last

[1:09:17] Voice 8: and be able to be well-suited for the future.

[1:09:21] Voice 8: The emergency conditions scenarios,

[1:09:24] Voice 8: the board, working with staff,

[1:09:27] Voice 8: decided to focus on 95% and 98% reliability.

[1:09:32] Voice 8: What that means is that it's either one in 20 years

[1:09:35] Voice 8: or one in 50 years.

[1:09:37] Voice 8: it's those scenarios about when we draw down the rates it's it's something we really don't want to

[1:09:46] Voice 8: do as a water district it's not something that just apologize for it's uh it's a significant

[1:09:51] Voice 8: issue for the province if we ever actually get down to that level we have to go through a full

[1:09:56] Voice 8: application process and it's very onerous and um it's really uh it's it's something that's in our

[1:10:02] Voice 8: permits we're not allowed to draw down the latest level so so we we kind of looked at it from a

[1:10:08] Voice 8: perspective of being cautious about making sure we don't hit those emergency conditions

[1:10:14] Voice 8: and then just the last thing just in the decisions about where we're looking at the data when i show

[1:10:19] Voice 8: you some of the different charts is that the board also wanted to be cautious using the 25th

[1:10:23] Voice 8: percentile results and i'll show you what that means so

[1:10:26] Voice 10: we have our

[1:10:32] Voice 8: reports will show a series

[1:10:33] Voice 8: of tables like this that go through the scenarios about what the what the overall scenario is and

[1:10:40] Voice 8: then all the different variables within look at this data in different ways so we just really

[1:10:46] Voice 8: thought it was important to bring out all of this data and so this is scenario one for max

[1:10:52] Voice 8: this is a separate system and so if we looked at the reliability of the water if you see the

[1:10:58] Voice 8: red marker down at the far side it shows where there's potential availability of water there

[1:11:04] Voice 8: there for the different reliabilities.

[1:11:07] Voice 8: And so this was the initial results for us

[1:11:09] Voice 8: that showed that there is some reliability in the system,

[1:11:13] Voice 8: some potential reliable water supply in the system.

[1:11:16] Voice 8: We'll explain more about the details there,

[1:11:21] Voice 8: but basically the 25th percentile I referred to

[1:11:24] Voice 8: is basically the bottom of the colored box

[1:11:26] Voice 8: for each of the scenarios.

[1:11:28] Voice 8: And so what you're seeing though is also

[1:11:31] Voice 8: there's some variability there.

[1:11:32] Voice 8: These are models and estimates

[1:11:33] Voice 8: and trying to do some predictions

[1:11:35] Voice 8: about what the water supply looks like in the future so there's this is actually not bad when

[1:11:40] Voice 8: it comes to variability for us it gives us an understanding that there is and it gives the

[1:11:44] Voice 8: board some comfort that there is some supply there to provide on the Maxwell side so then

[1:11:50] Voice 8: in comparison with the other slide here's the St. Mary Lake system and seeing where it is in

[1:11:56] Voice 8: comparison to our lines about our current withdrawals and what you see is current and

[1:12:01] Voice 8: committed is the top perforated line there. We have a bunch of properties that already

[1:12:06] Voice 8: have paid personal taxes for that system and there's quite a few there's about 120 on that

[1:12:13] Voice 8: system I believe that's the estimate that could come in and get a water connection tomorrow.

[1:12:20] Voice 8: So we just wanted to include that into consideration. So this highlights that when

[1:12:27] Voice 8: we look out to the future we see that the reliability of the water system on the St. Mary

[1:12:32] Voice 8: lake is much more challenging and so that those those models show that it's below our withdrawal

[1:12:40] Voice 8: volumes you'll see some other lines in here which we just wanted to make sure we include it all in

[1:12:45] Voice 8: the discussion too you'll see at the very bottom the efn volume that's the environmental flow

[1:12:50] Voice 8: volume that's required under our permit to discharge an amount down duck creek and that's

[1:12:56] Voice 8: part of our license and required for habitat requirements and then there's also other users

[1:13:03] Voice 8: on saint mary lake as well to consider so the crv has a water license it's withdrawing from the lake

[1:13:09] Voice 8: we had to look at it for our we believe we had to be cautious as well on uh looking at it from

[1:13:16] Voice 8: a full license draw now so that is something that um mr holman has mentioned before about

[1:13:24] Voice 8: some potential down the road is to consider that if that license isn't fully used is there potential

[1:13:29] Voice 8: for that water supply to be considered as a part of our license down the road we didn't explore

[1:13:35] that

[1:13:35] Voice 8: as a part of this project but i'll be highlighting for you a bunch of stones that

[1:13:41] Voice 8: we've turned over i keep saying looking at for all the options of where we could get

[1:13:44] Voice 8: improved supply and reliability that's one of the ones we haven't looked at yet so we have

[1:13:49] Voice 8: intentional for that to look look at that option next um if you so looking at this one and you do

[1:13:56] Voice 8: a comparison to the next slide is when we have the data that shows if we were here at saint mary lake

[1:14:03] Voice 8: so we were fortunate earlier this year where there was an announcement of 10 million dollars for

[1:14:07] Voice 8: help us raise the weir by a foot at saint mary lake which would have supply and resiliency to

[1:14:13] Voice 8: the system and so the data shows here we did the scenarios for literally raised weir and it shows

[1:14:20] Voice 8: that it's better if you maybe go back and forth once you can see that it's lower there the lower

[1:14:26] Voice 8: current withdrawals and it does improve it so what we see is that raising the weir by itself

[1:14:33] Voice 8: by not doing any other changes to the st mary system only really secures our current supply

[1:14:39] Voice 8: for the long term. That's what our data is showing us. It doesn't show us that there's additional volumes immediately to be able to provide for supply connections.

[1:14:50] Voice 10: So then

[1:14:51] Voice 8: we go to the next slide. So then scenario three, this is the version where we're really looking to the future.

[1:15:00] Voice 8: So if we're combining the systems together, it requires upgrades at the Crofton pump station.

[1:15:06] Voice 8: and in order to make the systems that work together we actually have to have our Maxwell

[1:15:12] Voice 8: treatment plant built as well so up at Maxwell Lake we're moving forward we have our preliminary

[1:15:18] Voice 8: design coming to our next meeting in a couple of weeks and that'll have the full pricing for

[1:15:23] Voice 8: absorb that additional cost that's going to be coming for putting in the plant but once that

[1:15:31] Voice 8: plant is built, then we combine the systems. You can't combine the systems together and have them

[1:15:36] Voice 8: working together until that plant is built. So that's at least two years down the road before

[1:15:40] Voice 8: that. So we could start working on joining the two systems together, but once the plant is done,

[1:15:49] Voice 8: then we can actually use the two systems. So those are the first two projects listed there.

[1:15:57] Voice 8: There's also Rickmont Creek. We currently have a license up at Rickmont Creek that's

[1:16:02] Voice 8: a part of the master system to be able to

[1:16:03] Voice 8: supply improving projects and we could maximize that a little more so there's opportunities there

[1:16:14] Voice 8: and and every little bit of water

[1:16:16] Voice 8: makes a difference when it comes to looking and

[1:16:18] Voice 8: trying to find opportunities for supply that all would lead to more housing potentially or

[1:16:23] Voice 8: supporting our workforce housing so um so there's some opportunities to explore there

[1:16:29] Voice 8: and then the fourth bullet is the one i mentioned about the funding from the province to raise the

[1:16:33] Voice 8: weir we're just close to getting our provincial funding agreement signed for that particular

[1:16:38] Voice 8: project and we'll be sharing an announcement shortly with that about where we're headed with

[1:16:43] Voice 8: that um and then i mentioned requirements we're currently required to put nine meters a second

[1:16:51] Voice 8: down the creek as a part of the weir that's there that's that department requires that

[1:16:56] Voice 8: but one thing we've been talking about with our local non-profits and also dfo and provinces that

[1:17:02] Voice 8: could that be reduced so we've looked at scenarios where that could go from nine

[1:17:07] Voice 8: meters a second to four meters a second in the summertime when it's really dry there's actually

[1:17:12] Voice 8: less than four meters a second going down there the main goal of that was always to provide some

[1:17:17] Voice 8: water to the habitat so it doesn't need to be four liters doesn't need to be nine the difference

[1:17:25] Voice 8: between four and nine actually needs a lot of water for us for supply so if we look at it from

[1:17:30] Voice 8: that mod so we modeled both we looked at it from nine meters a second and also at four meters a

[1:17:35] Voice 8: second so then we did some modeling to look at it from an ideal perspective if we were able to make

[1:17:40] Voice 8: improvements on all these things if all these projects sort of got to an ideal state

[1:17:45] Voice 8: um then we can get to our next slide oh and this is a map just to show i did something different

[1:17:52] Voice 8: than most of us do is turn them out sideways i know north for the island but to make it fit a

[1:17:57] Voice 8: little bit better here so ganges is at the bottom and you can see maxwell lake and st mary lake are

[1:18:02] Voice 8: up on the opposite sides and uh so that just highlights where the profits are but this is

[1:18:10] Voice 8: where we see the combined systems with these improvements and it shows that there's the

[1:18:17] Voice 8: potential for some significant supply improvements for the whole system and this is really what the

[1:18:22] Voice 8: board wanted to do was to look at the whole system for the long term where we headed long term not

[1:18:27] Voice 8: just try to find water like right now it was what's always about trying to work well so those

[1:18:32] Voice 8: improvements are all projects we're going to be working on over the next year or two and this data

[1:18:38] Voice 8: shows that yes if depending on the different scenarios you look at there's going to be some

[1:18:43] Voice 8: supply but the thing that concerns us is that when you look at the blue and the yellow and the last

[1:18:47] Voice 8: two bars there there's a high level of variability in that information so what we've talked about

[1:18:55] Voice 8: doing what

[1:18:55] Voice 8: the board's committed to doing is that once we move forward in all these projects over

[1:18:59] Voice 8: the next couple of years that we would reassess the system run this modeling again to see where

[1:19:04] Voice 8: what availability is really like once the two systems are together so but in the meantime it

[1:19:10] Voice 8: was identified that there is some supply on the maxwell system that we could come up with a plan

[1:19:15] Voice 8: to sort of cautious release of some supply on the system in the short term while we work on all these

[1:19:22] Voice 8: projects for the long term. This is just a quick discussion about the water master plan that I

[1:19:31] Voice 8: mentioned already. It basically just highlighted that these projects we can proceed with the water

[1:19:34] Voice 8: treatment plans at the Crawford station makes sense joining the two systems joined together.

[1:19:40] Voice 8: Just one thing to remind everybody is that as a water district we're not required to plan

[1:19:44] Voice 8: to provide fire flows. So you'll see the way we've put the data in this report into higher

[1:19:51] Voice 8: cost improvements that are required. System improvements, and then there's fire flow

[1:19:59] Voice 8: improvement. And so it's a significant amount of money to improve all the fire flows

[1:20:04] Voice 8: on our system, just on our system. But it's going to have that information. There's potential for

[1:20:10] Voice 8: projects to work with the fire department and LTC and CRD when it comes to improvements that

[1:20:19] Voice 8: help fire throws down the road it's good to have that information it's just something we're not

[1:20:22] Voice 8: required to do in our lives back next slide this just gives a snapshot of what a water master plan

[1:20:30] Voice 8: looks like and you'll see little numbers on the map in this report once it comes out and it just

[1:20:35] Voice 8: shows where all these projects that we're looking at in the future need to occur so but those are

[1:20:41] Voice 8: the two priority projects out of the water master plan the weir project wasn't included in there

[1:20:49] Voice 8: that is more on the supply side but when it comes to the treatment and distribution it's the Maxwell

[1:20:54] Voice 8: treatment plant and crop and pump station are the two key. Next slide. So in our process of coming

[1:21:06] Voice 8: up with decision making the first step was to confirm what are some preferred options for

[1:21:10] Voice 8: so we just wanted to make some clear statements and confirm exactly where this

[1:21:18] Voice 8: this this phase one two work brought us so the studies indicated that there is supply volume

[1:21:23] Voice 8: currently available on the maximum weight system connections the studies also confirm that there's

[1:21:28] Voice 8: currently inadequate supply volume available on the mac on the saint mary system for new connections

[1:21:35] Voice 8: but they also indicate that there's with a range of improvements that i've highlighted that we have

[1:21:39] Voice 8: this potential for connecting to systems that there's greater resiliency and potential supply

[1:21:43] Voice 8: by forever the whole system this

[1:21:46] Voice 10: is

[1:21:52] Voice 8: just a like i think i've explained this out but generally the

[1:21:56] Voice 8: decision process for the board here this is a very simplified version there was a lot of

[1:22:00] Voice 8: conversations and discussions related to this project but essentially the decision the

[1:22:06] Voice 8: recommendation was to think about the system as about combining it together and the first decision

[1:22:11] Voice 8: that's the path we do want to move forward on so the big decision for the board recently was

[1:22:17] Voice 8: us do we wait and do all the work together and then we'll put out the moratorium and change those

[1:22:22] Voice 8: two years or do we move forward with these new connections on just on the Maxwell system

[1:22:27] Voice 8: in the short term to be able to provide some including houses is all around next slide

[1:22:35] Voice 8: so the other components of phase three is our capital expenditure charges

[1:22:41] Voice 8: this is what we uh for improvement districts that are DCC's development cost charges for when

[1:22:46] Voice 8: there's a new connection there's a fee that's paid we're updating those charges as well and because

[1:22:52] Voice 8: we haven't allowed any connections for 10 years we haven't had any revenue as well to contribute

[1:22:58] Voice 8: to infrastructure so there's been no we've been and we also don't get grants as we've mentioned

[1:23:03] Voice 8: before unfortunately it was 10 million dollars for the weird but for the infrastructure and for our

[1:23:08] Voice 8: plant costs that are going to be revealed shortly um this is a this is a big opportunity actually so

[1:23:15] Voice 8: So there's, you know, based on the numbers that we've talked about examples for, there's income generation for us, revenue that ends up helping to pay for the infrastructure.

[1:23:24] Voice 8: And for many municipalities, it's typically how you help to fund this infrastructure, long-term distribution and treatment systems.

[1:23:32] Voice 8: So we're going to be coming up with those calculations over the coming months, and then the board will have that information and make the decisions about the updated ones for them.

[1:23:41] Voice 8: So we're getting ready for community and stakeholder engagement. We're basically going to have our,

[1:23:45] Voice 8: we do have a website up and ready on our page called projects at the top of our webpage.

[1:23:50] Voice 8: And for the month of October, we're basically going to have online engagement for anybody to

[1:23:54] Voice 8: provide comment. We have an email now dedicated to these projects that we're doing because we

[1:23:59] Voice 8: have the moratorium, the treatment plant, the weir, and we're about to roll out rainwater

[1:24:04] Voice 8: catching, harvesting, and rebate our water creek as well. So we have a lot of things we want to

[1:24:09] Voice 8: people came up um so our open houses we have scheduled for october 22nd and the 30th and

[1:24:17] Voice 8: it's going to be everything so we're going to be in this room here and we're going to have display

[1:24:22] Voice 8: boards on all these topics and asking for feedback from everybody so and we'll be working directly

[1:24:27] Voice 8: with staff as well from different organizations and then the goal is to get towards a final policy

[1:24:35] Voice 8: see update and have something to the board either in november or december and then that would be a

[1:24:42] Voice 8: date we're not sure exactly but it could be between february or april or somebody that

[1:24:46] Voice 8: would actually start to say we're accepting throughout the positions so that's the path

[1:24:52] Voice 8: we're headed on for the coming months here it's going to be a busy fall for us um and the next

[1:24:58] slide is that i think we get to our these

[1:25:01] Voice 8: are just some key components from the staff reports

[1:25:04] Voice 8: And this one will be, the staff report will be coming out soon too, publicly, it's, we

[1:25:10] Voice 8: will, this is our rise of report from our last eight camera staff meeting.

[1:25:14] Voice 8: So this is essentially, this presentation is a summary of that staff report that was

[1:25:18] Voice 8: in camera.

[1:25:21] Voice 8: So, yeah, I think a partial lifting of the moratorium is recommended, a cautious, sustainable

[1:25:28] Voice 8: approach.

[1:25:29] Voice 8: approach. A key part of this discussion is not Mr. Holman mentioned about 300 connections. You'll

[1:25:37] Voice 8: see in the motion was actually used as an example. It's really supply that we'd be focused on. So we

[1:25:44] Voice 8: could have, you know, several hundred multifamily connections, but the supply that they actually use

[1:25:49] Voice 8: will be less. So it's about communication a lot of this as well. It's like more like instead of

[1:25:54] Voice 8: putting 60 000 cubic meters in their way of knowing what that means we want to put an example

[1:26:00] Voice 8: of what so we detach connections multi-family connections secondary suites like at the end of

[1:26:07] Voice 8: the day what will be monitored on a quarterly basis i think this is what we really give comfort

[1:26:11] Voice 8: to the board so as we go along be able to accordingly report to the board about where

[1:26:16] Voice 8: we're at with connections but primarily supplies that they think how are we doing with that supply

[1:26:21] Voice 8: that we've identified that we have available right now.

[1:26:24] Voice 8: So it's not gonna nail down to like a specific number

[1:26:28] Voice 8: of houses and connections.

[1:26:31] Voice 8: And one thing we did explore was about our jurisdiction

[1:26:34] Voice 8: and I wasn't surprised to find out

[1:26:36] Voice 8: we don't have the jurisdiction just to focus

[1:26:38] Voice 8: on affordable housing or specific workforce housing

[1:26:42] Voice 8: or another housing type without legislative change

[1:26:44] Voice 8: from the province.

[1:26:47] Voice 8: And so that's not where we're headed right now.

[1:26:49] Voice 8: it is going to be you know as we move forward the conversations more around the name of the

[1:26:57] process so it just as it comes through the approvals from the island's trust the crd

[1:27:03] building process and

[1:27:05] Voice 8: that's something i've talked about the islands trust staff and also want to

[1:27:09] Voice 8: talk about the crd is just if there's a way that we can make sure it's really clear about where

[1:27:14] Voice 8: where our water approval process is in that whole story, I think just helps we're getting

[1:27:20] Voice 8: a lot of calls with this new zone.

[1:27:22] Voice 8: So that would help me primarily, but also I think it would help all of us.

[1:27:27] Voice 8: So and the goal is to do an updated version of the studies in 2027, early 2027, to assess

[1:27:34] Voice 8: what these improvements we made to the whole system have really resulted in.

[1:27:38] Voice 8: I think we're getting close to the end of us, maybe

[1:27:40] Voice 10: it's the approved motions.

[1:27:43] Voice 8: So the first two is that those two studies were approved by the board or to prove the

[1:27:47] Voice 8: assistance together.

[1:27:50] Voice 8: In the future.

[1:27:51] Voice 8: So we're going to be working on design for the next full the moratorium on the same very

[1:27:56] Voice 8: side of the system, and then propose new connections on the Maxwell system, and you'll see some

[1:28:02] Voice 8: example of an equivalent of 300 that's just, it's going to focus on supply, but we do want

[1:28:07] Voice 8: to have some guidance to be able to understand what we're talking about when it comes to supply

[1:28:12] Voice 8: um these are proposed motions so just like uh i think it's just important to highlight we wanted

[1:28:19] Voice 8: to propose this and bring it out to the public for feedback here from others in the community

[1:28:24] Voice 8: before the final decision i think i covered all the adnc though in that motion there are other

[1:28:30] Voice 8: different components um so yeah let's try to keep that short and sweet but it's a long story

[1:28:37] Voice 8: And so if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

[1:28:42] Voice 8: Thank you very much. Questions?

[1:28:44] Voice 8: Patrick.

[1:28:46] Voice 8: Thank you so much, Mark, for coming today and taking this time to talk with us.

[1:28:51] Voice 8: It's funny, you might not have the jurisdiction, but I think I know an organization that just might have the jurisdiction to assist on that.

[1:28:59] Voice 8: Not only does it have the jurisdiction, it also has the mandate that it's supposed to work in cooperation with you.

[1:29:06] Voice 8: So I think we've got the right ingredients to move forward.

[1:29:11] Voice 8: I was curious myself, I was looking at other municipalities and so forth for example, policies for setting priorities for servicing and there's lots of examples out there.

[1:29:23] Voice 8: I looked at our 1998 OCP that we had right here on the island.

[1:29:29] Voice 9: and we had policy um that said to ensure that zoning changes

[1:29:34] Voice 8: in the north salt spring water

[1:29:35] Voice 8: district do not result in such a level of development that water cannot be supplied

[1:29:39] Voice 8: to needed public facilities in particular water remains available for the hospital

[1:29:44] Voice 8: school expansion community recreation center and

[1:29:47] Voice 9: affordable housing the

[1:29:50] Voice 8: wisdom of our forefathers

[1:29:52] Voice 8: in the 2008 OCP removed that policy, which leaves me scratching my head dramatically.

[1:30:00] Voice 9: um so

[1:30:02] Voice 8: i guess i'm looking to you i think there's work we can do could do um you've got probably

[1:30:09] Voice 8: experience with municipalities of how we as the planning organization prioritize not just water

[1:30:16] Voice 8: but wastewater servicing um to certain uses i i think there's opportunities there i look to

[1:30:26] Voice 8: i was stressing staff we've worked together we've been talking together since day one on this process

[1:30:32] Voice 8: especially mr hudson so it's been um i think there's opportunities there i would say that uh

[1:30:39] different strategies and

[1:30:41] Voice 8: approaches that work well for the island's trust i think for us and

[1:30:46] Voice 8: then i'll be cautious about our jurisdiction and what we can do is uh or just knows that

[1:30:50] Voice 8: but our partners playing the story and uh whatever they need to help

[1:31:03] Voice 6: anything further um well i know i did speak with

[1:31:19] Voice 8: chris earlier this week about um if there's

[1:31:24] Voice 8: an opportunity for us to make a resolution of some form because i think it is important for us

[1:31:28] well

[1:31:29] Voice 8: i can i can speak to what we've done so far and i think we've kind of had this

[1:31:38] Voice 8: you know from our discussions i think um you know understanding this has been a fairly guarded

[1:31:44] Voice 8: process for myself through waterworks district for um a good reason um until recently um we haven't

[1:31:52] had a lot of clarity in the number and something's been emerging um but in the meantime we've sort of

[1:31:57] gleaned that we're going to make some additional

[1:31:59] Voice 8: connections so in the meantime what we've done at

[1:32:04] Voice 8: at the LTC staff is we have asked through the complete community's assessment we're asking them

[1:32:11] Voice 8: to take a look at what this means for that model so we're looking at where should we go where

[1:32:17] Voice 8: should we how do we go this additional these connections have an impact on that consideration

[1:32:23] Voice 8: so that tool will be used to inform the OCPI process as we go forward but right now that

[1:32:33] Voice 8: that will use the focus because but probably rightly it is the way that we regulate land and

[1:32:39] Voice 8: plan for the allocation of various land use resources such as housing and other

[1:32:45] Voice 8: services that support the communities on the island that is our big focus right now as far as

[1:32:53] Voice 8: but that is a um about an 18-month process that we're looking ahead to so that is the steps that

[1:33:00] Voice 8: work we're going to go through we'll look at teams that work um and north south will want to play a

[1:33:05] Voice 8: very big role in that project um i appreciate the analysis of sort of the where which type but i

[1:33:15] Voice 8: think there's some policy language that we once had in rmcp that is missing now um whether it's

[1:33:22] Voice 8: one connection two connections 300 connections it's the ability to make a priority to that

[1:33:30] Voice 8: and i see sort of water and wastewater we hear director holman off on what he thinks is his

[1:33:38] Voice 8: priorities but we have community values we have needs and i think we're talking about the same

[1:33:45] Voice 9: thing

[1:33:46] Voice 8: whether it's and having water and sewer to connect to certain projects just makes the

[1:33:51] Voice 8: difference between affordability and not affordability um so is there an opportunity to

[1:33:59] Voice 8: enhance what you're doing but look at more the policy side to complement it

[1:34:04] Voice 8: so that for timing wise that we're not out of step necessarily with more salt spring that there's

[1:34:11] Voice 8: there's an indication of what kind of kind of housing would be prioritized for this this type

[1:34:19] Voice 8: of servicing i mean apart from looking at the existing ocean considering whether or not

[1:34:30] where a short-term amendment should take place there's

[1:34:33] Voice 8: those would likely be the only option

[1:34:36] Voice 8: i mean we could explore legal options but um under the legislation but i don't think

[1:34:42] Voice 8: there's anything that we really have in terms of control you know other provinces do have

[1:34:46] Voice 8: they look at interim control bylaw applications but again our existing zoning our existing

[1:34:54] Voice 8: building pattern policies will dictate things the most immediate is any housing that supports

[1:35:02] development that wouldn't meet these objectives that we're sort of articulating right now um

[1:35:08] Voice 8: you can't withhold building permit approval you can't hold the issues building building permits

[1:35:12] Voice 8: so long as it's compliant um so operationally we're similarly constrained by our own regulations

[1:35:24] Voice 8: i understand that but i think politically it would be important to respond to this

[1:35:33] Voice 8: opportunity that's been put out to us and to make sure that we are working

[1:35:37] Voice 8: out of the line um you know so i think so the ingredients are kind of there and the timing is

[1:35:43] Voice 8: just questionable i think it would be of value to have some resolution on the ground from this

[1:35:49] Voice 8: body saying you know that we would like to see best efforts taken to align what we can do to

[1:35:57] Voice 8: make sure that you know we are prioritizing somehow um the you know the type of housing that

[1:36:06] Voice 8: that that we need in this in this community um that's all you know so that's that's what i'm

[1:36:14] Voice 8: looking for is just something you know we want to make sure we're not out of the line you know

[1:36:18] Voice 8: that we try to bring ourselves into alignment as we can. I'm not saying do a special project,

[1:36:26] Voice 8: we have a project underway,

[1:36:27] Voice 9: but there might be maybe there is something we need to do immediately

[1:36:30] Voice 9: to amend the OCP to help

[1:36:33] Voice 8: us. And I'd hate to miss that and find out the hard way. This is what I'm

[1:36:39] Voice 8: saying. Yeah, I'd rather be proactive and know that, you know, we have an exposure or

[1:36:50] Voice 8: I think it seems like it would be fine to pass that resolution I think it's something that's

[1:36:58] built in but something

[1:37:00] Voice 8: of a directive and how we go about it I'll give an example we talked at the

[1:37:06] previous trust meeting in July about the OCD project scope of service for consultants

[1:37:14] And then that we talked about the policy gap analysis.

[1:37:17] Voice 8: So myriad policies that we did look at in the OCP

[1:37:21] Voice 8: that maybe we could look at and get considered for amendment,

[1:37:25] Voice 8: but in any strategic planning and planning process,

[1:37:30] Voice 8: there are times when there are very quick things

[1:37:31] Voice 8: that can be brought forward to address.

[1:37:34] Voice 8: So as part of that policy gap analysis,

[1:37:36] Voice 8: we identify, look, the house is on fire,

[1:37:39] Voice 8: we gotta put it out.

[1:37:40] Voice 8: We're not gonna wait until we finish

[1:37:41] Voice 8: You know, finding out the fire, put up fire right so that's we can certainly take that direction to to see see options for immediate action if there is such a right.

[1:38:04] Voice 8: Just just from our board's perspective to like I don't think everything's really totally certain yet this is all proposed, but also the potential like we do want to do.

[1:38:15] Voice 8: I guess flexibility is something I think would be helpful perhaps just from our side we do believe

[1:38:22] Voice 8: when we're going down a path where we can have more consistent water supply for and it's not

[1:38:31] Voice 8: our involvement at some point eventually I mean our involvement is more likely to provide updates

[1:38:38] Voice 8: about the status of water but I don't know if we need to be involved we'd like to help as much as

[1:38:43] Voice 8: we can but at the same time i feel like it gets out of our out of our path of what we can do

[1:38:49] Voice 8: officially for decision making for us on our board so i think the best thing we can do is

[1:38:54] Voice 8: update for as we progress because i'm not sure exactly what the what it'll look like in the

[1:39:00] Voice 8: future but um but this is uh this could change over time here so we just sharing reports with

[1:39:07] Voice 8: of staff. I think it's one of those discord reports for sure.

[1:39:20] Voice 8: Thank you. I agree with the voice of the you know, we're

[1:39:27] yourself in our district

[1:39:28] Voice 10: store. Let's say yes, they have all do

[1:39:33] Voice 10: the change.

[1:39:34] Voice 8: So that's kind of a little bit of engagement aside

[1:39:38] Voice 8: from other studies. So I just want to respond to trustee

[1:39:42] Voice 8: Patrick's question about resolution and what can you do operationalize there may be a few things

[1:39:50] Voice 8: you can do you can request that report back to amend the project charter if you would like to

[1:39:56] Voice 8: break the project charter up into components for example you could require whatever could be

[1:40:03] Voice 8: prioritized taking advantage of this opportunity I won't get into the wording yet the other one is

[1:40:08] Voice 8: you can also prioritize applications for afford housing or so

[1:40:16] Voice 10: you can kind

[1:40:17] Voice 8: of request that work

[1:40:18] Voice 8: in a priority setting or you can make that's really all I have to share so there's two ways

[1:40:24] Voice 8: to do something otherwise I think what I heard the IBM say is the scenarios are being developed

[1:40:32] Voice 8: policies you need to be able to process that are coming I heard an 18-month timeline which

[1:40:40] is not unreachable you will definitely get some work with each other uh of you know connections

[1:40:46] happening that are a big waiting

[1:40:48] Voice 8: um but you have a huge opportunity i think through the process

[1:40:52] Voice 8: we're currently engaged in to to make the changes that they'll see what we see so i think you know

[1:40:57] Voice 8: maybe

[1:40:57] Voice 1: you want to

[1:40:57] Voice 8: shorten the timeline maybe you wanted a few intermediate referrals that's up to

[1:41:13] I

[1:41:18] Voice 8: appreciate it. I think, you know, more thought is always useful, but I think some some form of directional resolution at this time is worthwhile to keep it open for you to

[1:41:33] Voice 8: come back to how that could be done and where the opportunities lie, because I see we have

[1:41:40] Voice 6: a project going on.

[1:41:40] Voice 8: it's just about threading it into the project and and being aware that you know there may be

[1:41:46] Voice 8: opportunities to move quicker um if necessary as that opportunity is discovered so that's that's

[1:41:52] Voice 8: really all i'm trying to say is that you know this is not something we want to miss our timing should

[1:41:58] Voice 8: be cognizant of it and take advantage of you know what we can to make sure that water is going to

[1:42:06] Voice 8: the to the housing that this community needs and matches our values and um that's really all

[1:42:13] Voice 8: i think we all get it i think it just would be useful to have a resolution just to report that

[1:42:21] Voice 8: wording assistance on advice and i'm trying to bring that back later if that would be useful

[1:42:36] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:42:38] Voice 8: That's a great idea.

[1:42:39] Voice 8: Thank you very much, Mark.

[1:42:44] Voice 8: And I appreciate that discussion here.

[1:42:50] Thank you for putting in your time.

[1:42:54] And our applications are scheduled

[1:42:58] Voice 8: for the end, and I'd like to try and keep that for

[1:43:01] Voice 8: the applicants, that timeline.

[1:43:04] Voice 8: Mr. Sherwood, you have two minutes.

[1:43:05] Voice 8: item i know i know so i'm just i'm just looking at uh well the next item is a presentation

[1:43:14] the consultants

[1:43:15] Voice 8: are online waiting to give presentations okay well let's move into that then

[1:43:22] Voice 8: that's complete community assessment presentation and then we'll take a time check after that

[1:43:27] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:43:27] Voice 6: Mr. Cameron here from Catalyst, on the line, and I believe he is joined by an additional

[1:43:50] person today, but this is the product manager for the software analysis assessment, so I

[1:43:58] will let Mr. Cameron take the floor.

[1:44:02] Voice 8: Excellent, thank you.

[1:44:03] Voice 8: Excellent,

[1:44:06] Voice 14: thanks very much for the introduction, thanks for having me today, and here at a

[1:44:10] Voice 14: who give you an update on how we're progressing along with the complete communities assessment

[1:44:14] Voice 14: i think we we were here back in may and gave kevin an overview of the the road map that we were going

[1:44:19] Voice 14: to follow and so today is a progress update a very brief one and then i want to talk about kind of

[1:44:25] Voice 14: the final stages of the journey i guess on this project as we wrapping it up here um in kind of

[1:44:30] Voice 14: the mid mid part of the fall so um without any ado here i'll shift to the next slide and we'll

[1:44:36] Voice 14: kind of dive in here and talk about what we're planning to cover here today. So I just wanted

[1:44:42] Voice 14: to give an overview again, a bit of a reminder, I guess, about what the Communities Assessment

[1:44:45] Voice 14: Initiative is all about, based on what the guidebook says from the province. And then I'll

[1:44:52] Voice 14: give the update on the work that we've completed to date since the last time we were together in

[1:44:56] Voice 14: May, give you an overview of some of the indicator domains that we ended up landing on, and just a

[1:45:02] Voice 14: very small taste a very kind of a quick overview of a couple of examples of the maps that we've

[1:45:07] Voice 14: mapped using those indicators and then the key part is to talk a little bit about what remains

[1:45:13] Voice 14: work ahead over the next month and a half or two months and leave some time at the end for

[1:45:18] Voice 14: some questions and provide some answers to you guys if you have any so that's kind of where

[1:45:21] Voice 14: we're going today so quickly again you guys probably were familiar with this at this stage

[1:45:26] Voice 14: in the game but just a little bit of a refresher as we kind of sink our thoughts into this so

[1:45:30] Voice 14: So the Complete Communities Assessment here, by definition, really, it's fundamentally focused on this notion, again, of providing diversity of housing to meet needs and accommodating people of all stages of life at any age group or any stage and phase.

[1:45:45] Voice 14: And then offering a range of employment opportunities, access to amenities and services.

[1:45:51] Voice 14: The concept here is reasonable walk or cycle from homes, knowing that not everybody has a vehicle.

[1:45:56] Voice 14: and that varies obviously in different jurisdictions across the province and certainly

[1:46:01] Voice 14: for Salt Spring Island we know there's a different set of expectations around that and we've kind of

[1:46:06] Voice 14: thought about that as we've gone through this project so far and I think you know our goal

[1:46:11] Voice 14: here at the end of the day is it's a fairly you know technical exercise ultimately we're looking

[1:46:16] Voice 14: at taking information that was available in terms of some of the indicators that we can then map

[1:46:21] Voice 14: map to look at those different dimensions or domains across across the board and try and

[1:46:26] Voice 14: understand you know what state of affairs i think the island is in right now as it relates to this

[1:46:31] Voice 14: notion of community completeness and uh it's been a really interesting journey so far we've had a

[1:46:36] Voice 14: lot of really good discussions with lots of different people as we've gone through this and

[1:46:40] Voice 14: we've learned a lot and i think the information that we're putting together um over the next

[1:46:44] Voice 14: month or so here will be really really beneficial for future planning or the island as a whole so

[1:46:50] Voice 14: So just a little bit of an overview here of the timeline of what we've done since I saw

[1:46:58] Voice 14: you guys back in May.

[1:46:59] Voice 14: So at that stage, we're working on developing the engagement plan that we were going to

[1:47:05] Voice 14: use to get input on the indicators that we were going to end up focusing on for the mapping

[1:47:09] Voice 14: exercises.

[1:47:10] Voice 14: And we did that work and finished that up in May.

[1:47:14] Voice 14: and then throughout june um we planned and then it carried out the uh the key engagement activities

[1:47:21] Voice 14: that were at that stage of the project and so the the landmark as you guys might remember is we we

[1:47:26] Voice 14: wanted to have what we were calling an indicator development workshop with different key stakeholder

[1:47:31] Voice 14: groups across the island um and we were quite inclusive i think we had 16 unique organizations

[1:47:37] Voice 14: or groups that participated in that meeting we had on June the 24th. Lengthy discussion,

[1:47:43] Voice 14: very, very good feedback and thoughts from all those different parties about

[1:47:47] Voice 14: what they would like to see. And so we had a bit of a blue sky conversation. We looked at

[1:47:52] Voice 14: things that people were interested in, and then we tried to also talk about what would be practical

[1:47:56] Voice 14: based on what was available for us to be able to work with in the timeframe that we're working in.

[1:48:00] Voice 14: And that's what we had to take offline. So in July, we created the summary of what we heard

[1:48:05] Voice 14: in that workshop and then we use that information throughout july and august working with various

[1:48:12] Voice 14: different stakeholders again to review and then select the final set of indicators for each of

[1:48:17] Voice 14: the different lenses that we were talking about and i think um you know the the interesting part

[1:48:22] Voice 14: of this is we we ended up

[1:48:23] Voice 14: i think initially with well well over 100 and 100 plus different

[1:48:27] Voice 14: indicators um that we were considering and looking at and um you know for for scope and purpose and

[1:48:33] Voice 14: and focus, and application, and feasibility,

[1:48:35] Voice 14: we ended up narrowing the scope to about half of that list.

[1:48:40] Voice 14: And then in August, you can see there,

[1:48:42] Voice 14: we developed through August

[1:48:44] Voice 14: and just finishing that work up now into early September,

[1:48:47] Voice 14: developed a set of maps using those indicators.

[1:48:50] Voice 14: And we have 57, if you can believe that,

[1:48:52] Voice 14: 57 different maps that we've created

[1:48:54] Voice 14: that we will be looking to share with the public

[1:49:00] Voice 14: to take some feedback on that

[1:49:02] Voice 14: and get some thoughts and some questions on. And these illustrate some of the indicators,

[1:49:07] Voice 14: those key different areas that we were looking at. So quite a lot of work done in the last three

[1:49:11] Voice 14: months. Very exciting and lots of really good things to look at and reflect on to use in the

[1:49:15] Voice 14: planning process that we're going to engage in as we go into the fall here. So just a little bit

[1:49:21] Voice 14: more here about those indicator domains. So as you guys might know already, if you're familiar with

[1:49:26] Voice 14: the Complete Communities Guide, there's kind of the core four, I guess you would call them. So

[1:49:30] Voice 14: So things around housing accommodation, proximity and accessibility to different services and amenities, things related to transportation ability, how people get around and they're in their community, and then the kind of key utilities and infrastructure.

[1:49:45] Voice 14: So we obviously looked at and sourced a variety of different indicators and mapped those things very thoughtfully.

[1:49:52] Voice 14: But we also thought it was important to provide a little bit more information about the population, the demographics on the island so that people can kind of understand that when they see themselves.

[1:50:02] Voice 14: And then, of course, another really important feature that we heard very clearly when we were working with stakeholders is to take a look at the geography and some of those kind of key environmental features, too.

[1:50:12] Voice 14: So we ended up sourcing as much material as we could and mapping things in that domain as well.

[1:50:18] Voice 14: So the best part of this, I think, is that we tried to really contextualize what we're doing for Salt Spring Island, not just kind of follow that guide in a very cut and dry kind of way, but still staying in the core, you know, domain so that we can get a picture of, again, what's important for this complete communities concept, right?

[1:50:36] Voice 14: Right. So I feel pretty good that we've covered all of our bases and thought about it very carefully.

[1:50:40] Voice 14: And we have a good set of maps, again, with 57 of them to kind of look at all of these things.

[1:50:44] Voice 14: And I'm excited to see what the community and different people across the community think about these maps before we we get too far down the road into the final stages, which I'll talk about in a second.

[1:50:54] Voice 14: So so that's the indicators. And then, as I mentioned earlier, I wanted to give you guys just a bit of a sneak peek or a taste of some of these maps here.

[1:51:02] Voice 14: So that's probably quite small on your screen. I don't know how big your screen is there.

[1:51:06] Voice 14: But not to get into detail here today on what these are, but just to give you a sampling and a couple from each of those different domains that I just talked about, right?

[1:51:14] Voice 14: So, for example, one in the middle of your picture here, the one that says figure 1.5 there, it's a map that kind of illustrates mobility and migration over a one-year period across the island in different ways.

[1:51:28] Voice 14: And so, you know, the story we see here with this, right, is that we actually have a lot of, you know, stable kind of tenure in different parts of the island where people are already residing.

[1:51:39] Voice 14: Don't have a lot of people moving and relocating to different places.

[1:51:42] Voice 14: That's what that kind of dark red orange circle means in each of those different kind of geographies across the island.

[1:51:48] Voice 14: So that's interesting.

[1:51:49] Voice 14: And I think that tells us something useful about the community and the population.

[1:51:54] Voice 14: population if you look in the upper left hand corner that one there is a little bit smaller

[1:51:58] Voice 14: so it's probably hard to see but what it depicts is the total occupied dwellings by different

[1:52:04] Voice 14: structure type right so single detached housing semi-detached row flat duplex apartment etc and so

[1:52:12] Voice 14: you can kind of see where the spread and the split of those different types of housing are

[1:52:17] Voice 14: across the island and then

[1:52:19] Voice 14: the subs the sub cuts are also talked about the distribution of things

[1:52:23] Voice 14: are like multi-family housing and how that compares to single unit housing. Huge discussion

[1:52:29] Voice 14: probably to be had on that. And I think we're going to be giving some consideration when we

[1:52:33] Voice 14: do our scenario work to that area. But that's one of many maps. We have a few others that are

[1:52:38] Voice 14: related to housing as well. You'll see when you get access to the full set of maps. And then

[1:52:43] Voice 14: just a couple others here to highlight as well. You can see in the bottom lower left-hand corner,

[1:52:48] Voice 14: I just came in at the tail end of your discussion there around what's happening with water. And so

[1:52:53] Voice 14: So this one here is around water main system density related to the population across the island where folks are living.

[1:53:00] Voice 14: So you can kind of see how that splits out.

[1:53:03] Voice 14: And there's a lot of detail that we have in separate maps for that.

[1:53:06] Voice 14: And then just a few more.

[1:53:07] Voice 14: You can see in the upper right-hand corner, that's the intact ecosystems and kind of what that looks like across the island.

[1:53:14] Voice 14: And I think that's fascinating to look at for a whole host of different reasons.

[1:53:18] Voice 14: And then the final one in the right lower corner there is drive time estimation from villages to different parts of the island as well, which talks about, you know, access to different services and how far people have to travel to do different things, whether it's work or other recreational or social activities on the island.

[1:53:38] Voice 14: so yeah so that's just five out of the 57 i mean there's way more to come and and uh i really

[1:53:43] Voice 14: encourage you guys once we're we're in a position where we're going to be able to post those maps

[1:53:47] Voice 14: for you guys to take a look at them yourselves and also submit information thoughts questions

[1:53:52] Voice 14: feedback um we'll be looking at all of that in the in the next month or so here as we get feedback

[1:53:56] Voice 14: from the community so just a taste for you today so you can kind of see what those are going to

[1:54:01] Voice 14: look like um so what lies ahead here i mean this is kind of the roadmap as i mentioned earlier

[1:54:06] Voice 14: from now, early September to mid-September, to the end of the project. And we were fortunate.

[1:54:13] Voice 14: We were able to negotiate with the province an extension of the project by a month to give us

[1:54:18] Voice 14: a little bit more time to do some other engagement work in October that we're planning, which I'll

[1:54:24] Voice 14: talk about in a second. And we're hoping to kind of do our final reporting by the end of that month

[1:54:28] Voice 14: and wrap that up in November. So that's kind of where we are. But the first piece, as we

[1:54:34] Voice 14: dispension there is kind of dissemination of those maps that we created and we're going to do that

[1:54:39] Voice 14: online uh through the complete communities assessment web page that we set up and then

[1:54:44] Voice 14: we built a form a survey that we're going to use to get feedback and input on the maps from um all

[1:54:51] Voice 14: the residents who have an interest in that and we're curious again to learn as much as we can

[1:54:55] Voice 14: about how people perceive and what what what the maps trigger for people when they start to think

[1:55:00] Voice 14: about this concept of a complete community so um so that's on the horizon very very soon i'm hoping

[1:55:05] Voice 14: maybe within the next week i think we are and then in early october um we're going to be having a

[1:55:11] Voice 14: follow-up workshop that we're going to facilitate with the key stakeholders that help to inform

[1:55:16] Voice 14: the selection and the development of that indicator list that we use to to generate those

[1:55:20] Voice 14: maps to kind of let them see where we landed and and uh you know really just for information give

[1:55:26] Voice 14: give them an idea as to how we we plan to use those maps to to do the work in which is really

[1:55:34] Voice 14: fundamentally you know an important step in this is we're going to identify and develop

[1:55:39] Voice 14: various different kind of scenarios and we're going to be very pragmatic and thoughtful and

[1:55:43] Voice 14: try and keep that focus to inform things that are you know in that future planning kind of cycle

[1:55:50] Voice 14: that we know lies ahead in the next several months and beyond and so so that'll be the focus

[1:55:55] Voice 14: at the mid-stage of October and then the last piece I just mentioned earlier we're going to be

[1:56:00] Voice 14: prepping for some facilitated in-person open houses to socialize what those scenarios were

[1:56:07] Voice 14: that we landed on kind of depicting the current state using the maps that we've developed already

[1:56:12] Voice 14: and showing what potential options or things could be I think in terms of planning with with

[1:56:20] Voice 14: residents to get feedback and thoughts on that and really just again to educate them about where

[1:56:24] Voice 14: this is going and then we'll wrap that up um and then as i said earlier we'll be developing the

[1:56:29] Voice 14: final summary report that kind of contains an overview of all the work that we've done um

[1:56:34] Voice 14: contains all of the maps and the the definitions for those maps and then also ultimately includes

[1:56:39] Voice 14: recommendations again on how to move forward with the scenarios that we develop to to guide some

[1:56:45] Voice 14: future planning activities for the island so yeah so there's a lot a lot of work left to do i would

[1:56:50] Voice 14: say but um we're we're in a really strong position i think we're we've we've done some

[1:56:54] Voice 14: really excellent work to this point and we're we're in a good position to finish this in the

[1:56:58] Voice 14: way that we hope so yeah that um i think i think that's all i wanted to cover here in about 15

[1:57:04] Voice 14: minutes here so before i kind of wrap up here i'll just kind of pause and see if uh if there

[1:57:09] Voice 14: are any questions on what i presented today

[1:57:12] Voice 8: just about excuse me i thank you so much uh for

[1:57:20] Voice 8: bringing us up to date give us some

[1:57:21] Voice 9: itty-bitty little snapshots of what we might be seeing so

[1:57:26] Voice 9: can't wait to see them on the full screen yep um the

[1:57:30] Voice 8: one thing is we keep putting that definition

[1:57:32] Voice 8: up there to think communities um which works absolutely fantastic if we were vancouver um

[1:57:38] Voice 8: we're not and and i know that but the guide itself has a whole section on what does rural

[1:57:44] Voice 8: will be and i really encourage because i think there'll be a a reaction from the community as

[1:57:51] Voice 8: well when we go out there because the definition doesn't work it um we are a rural community that

[1:57:56] Voice 8: travels into the core to get the services that we need and we even travel outside the entire island

[1:58:04] Voice 8: to get the rest of the services that we need so i think we we need to make sure we present

[1:58:10] Voice 8: set that definition in context better um with the rural nature of what we are we didn't have that i

[1:58:19] Voice 8: can't i was always hoping you were going to kind of have that engagement with the community what

[1:58:24] Voice 9: what's a complete island to you um but you know since we haven't had that then we should make sure

[1:58:31] Voice 9: people feel that this work fits um

[1:58:34] Voice 8: you know i know all the mapping and all that information

[1:58:36] Voice 8: is going to be very informative and juicy and get us thinking and prepping and really helping us

[1:58:41] Voice 8: with the ocp report um but that definition by itself just like it doesn't fit here so that's

[1:58:48] Voice 8: the reaction you're going to get from the people on the island with that definition

[1:58:51] Voice 8: yeah

[1:58:52] Voice 14: no i appreciate that for sure and i think it's it's a great point i know when we've

[1:58:55] Voice 14: had conversations with different people over the the life of the project so far we've we've been

[1:59:00] Voice 14: clear for that reason to say this is a you know like i said earlier when i was presenting to

[1:59:05] Voice 14: the the kind of standard set of definitions and that's what you're acknowledging right is it's

[1:59:09] Voice 14: not really you know contextual it's not really relevant in the way that it would be for the

[1:59:14] Voice 14: island and and so we we definitely want to put that out there and i think for us i mean the the

[1:59:19] Voice 14: mapping work you know it lays bare some information that we can use to kind of educate and discuss

[1:59:24] Voice 14: kind of where to go with that and i think for me that's the crucial part of this discussion is how

[1:59:29] Voice 14: do we use that information to map out some scenarios like i mentioned earlier that are

[1:59:32] Voice 14: are going to help you know in in ways that are meaningful in those planning exercises so they

[1:59:37] Voice 14: all fit together but your point is well taken i mean we definitely felt that and we've just

[1:59:41] Voice 14: adjusted it as we go we we recognize certainly you know as you say very well it's certainly not

[1:59:45] Voice 14: vancouver and that's a good thing for many reasons right so you want to you want to think differently

[1:59:51] Voice 14: right so yeah i can just add that i think um what what was shown today is a lot of information

[1:59:59] information.

[2:00:00] about the various assets that make up what a complete community might include.

[2:00:05] Voice 8: It was really hard to see yesterday a draft of the companion engagement questions that we're asking.

[2:00:11] Voice 8: One of the very, even in the blurb, the question was very explicit.

[2:00:14] What does a complete community mean to you?

[2:00:17] What does it mean for Salt Spring?

[2:00:19] So those questions, I think, will really, you know,

[2:00:21] I think I kind of have to applaud Catalyst for not assuming to know what that is,

[2:00:26] but to simply gather that, do a good job of gathering good verifiable information and looking forward to the feedback that you get from the community about what that is, how we use that information, how we do that on the road.

[2:00:41] Voice 8: I mean, there's good work right there on page 30 in the guide describing what the traveling and what a rural community is.

[2:00:50] Voice 8: so there's there is language already there and i'm just making sure it's in context because

[2:00:53] Voice 8: people do react when they think you know city folk are coming to our island so we're talking

[2:00:58] Voice 8: i want to encourage the uh engagement uh to be useful and people who might shut off if they

[2:01:04] Voice 8: stop right that definition is

[2:01:06] Voice 8: slam in your face it's going to be oh that doesn't work

[2:01:09] Voice 8: um the other is i know when uh planner yeomans was uh this project was in his lap and the scenarios

[2:01:16] Voice 8: that are going to be coming he had described them as sort of being they're they're kind of meant to

[2:01:23] Voice 8: be again conversation generators not pick one and you know he was describing it as you might say

[2:01:30] Voice 8: well i like this aspect of scenario one and i like this aspect of scenario three that we're gonna

[2:01:35] Voice 8: it's it's meant to be um more about like some conversation starters and and kicking the

[2:01:42] Voice 8: a conversation with the community to see there's choices to be had not pick one is that still the

[2:01:47] Voice 8: scenario that we're moving for yeah

[2:01:50] Voice 14: i definitely would i would concur with that kind of perspective

[2:01:52] Voice 14: i think that's the philosophy we've been using and you know if you envision kind of um you know

[2:01:58] Voice 14: those those open houses that we're planning for october um what we we will have is we'll have you

[2:02:04] Voice 14: know current state so we'll have a maps a set of maps related to whatever that scenario set is

[2:02:08] Voice 14: and then we'll have those scenarios kind of depicting so as you say you know if we do

[2:02:13] Voice 14: x y and z these are the things that could be adjusted or changed um obviously you're right

[2:02:19] Voice 14: there's a lot of there's a lot of other thought work that goes into the planning thereafter but

[2:02:24] Voice 14: it's to lay out like you say what the the options could be and what's feasible and then hear from

[2:02:29] Voice 14: people about what their thoughts are and that and have that information available when decisions

[2:02:34] Voice 14: decisions really the real decisions down the road have to be made about certain changes right so

[2:02:38] Voice 14: very much what uh what was on the on the plan before that's what we're planning you know to

[2:02:43] Voice 14: kind of get to the end point of this so

[2:02:44] Voice 8: yeah one final i think again as you do public engagement

[2:02:51] Voice 8: i think the little drawing of showing the communities in relationship to the project i

[2:02:57] Voice 8: think all the all that we could be out sort of preparing advertising communicating to the public

[2:03:03] Voice 8: that you know this is the beginning there's still those you know that this is fitting

[2:03:07] Voice 8: into the overall project so that we're keeping that context piece present absolutely thanks

[2:03:14] Voice 14: very much i appreciate it thank

[2:03:19] Voice 6: you um

[2:03:20] Voice 4: anything further anyone today uh thank you mr cameron and

[2:03:29] uh we're looking forward to uh hearing and seeing the next steps on this chat i would

[2:03:37] So we're really wrapping up the communication side of our projects.

[2:03:43] So once this engagement comes up, you're subscribed to the LPC newsletter and the email blast.

[2:03:50] That's the best

[2:03:50] Voice 8: way to get information with your website coming out.

[2:03:55] Voice 8: If you're engaged on this,

[2:03:57] Voice 8: if people are asking, how do I stay involved in this project or anything else,

[2:04:01] Voice 8: we're going to use that email list in order to inform uh residents anybody who wants to subscribe

[2:04:08] what's

[2:04:09] Voice 8: going on thank you

[2:04:15] Voice 6: sorry go ahead please all right um

[2:04:22] Voice 4: well we've got about uh it's almost

[2:04:25] Voice 4: quarter two uh we take a break

[2:04:28] Voice 8: staff has come back as well at 12 am i leaving you an adequate

[2:04:38] Voice 8: break or come back to the lab at 12.

[2:04:44] Voice 8: 12 is okay?

[2:04:45] Voice 8: I think that'll work.

[2:04:47] Voice 8: I don't want to report.

[2:04:51] Voice 3: Yeah, I know why.

[2:04:52] Voice 3: I also don't want to give

[2:04:55] Voice 8: you guys an inadequate break.

[2:04:57] Voice 8: So if 12 is okay, we can do that.

[2:04:58] Voice 8: And after 12, we can do that.

[2:05:01] Voice 8: All right.

[2:05:03] Voice 8: Let's recess.

[2:05:05] Voice 6: Right.

[2:05:14] Voice 6: Well.

[2:27:05] Voice 6: Oh, God.

[2:27:10] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:27:13] Voice 8: Oh, okay.

[2:27:23] Voice 7: I

[2:27:25] Voice 8: always had a hard time.

[2:27:29] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:27:30] Voice 4: So let's

[2:27:31] Voice 8: reconvene.

[2:27:32] Voice 8: to

[2:27:39] Voice 4: section 13 with

[2:27:40] Voice 8: applications and referrals first up we've got

[2:27:53] and we have a report from planner belcher joining

[2:27:58] Voice 4: us online there we

[2:27:59] Voice 10: go please go ahead

[2:28:02] Voice 10: okay

[2:28:03] Voice 2: uh yes this is a new development variance permit application for a variance to the natural

[2:28:10] Voice 2: boundary of the sea setback for seven existing rock retaining walls and stairs so subsection

[2:28:19] Voice 2: 4.4.1 of the South Spring Island land use bylaw requires that no structure except a fence pump

[2:28:26] Voice 2: house or boathouse might be sited within 15 meters of the natural boundary of the sea

[2:28:31] Voice 2: And despite section 4.4.1 in section 4.4.2, the setback from the natural boundary of the sea may be reduced to 10 meters, where an engineer has certified that the natural boundary is located on non-erodible material.

[2:28:49] Voice 2: In this case, the applicant has provided a report written by a geotechnical engineer dated July 27, 2020, confirming the 10-meter setback is applicable on the subject property.

[2:29:04] Voice 2: And this application was initiated through a bylaw enforcement file, which identified concerns around construction of retaining walls and structures in the natural boundary setback.

[2:29:16] Voice 2: and large amounts of soil removed and gravel deposited within 15 meters of the natural

[2:29:22] Voice 2: boundary. A building permit for a new house, two accessory buildings, and a cottage were all

[2:29:28] Voice 2: approved between 2020 and 2023. The rock structures were not included in initial plans and were

[2:29:37] Voice 2: identified by planning staff as requiring a variance in 2023, and the requested variance

[2:29:43] Voice 2: would allow the owners to keep their rock path steps and walls where they are

[2:29:49] Voice 2: currently located. There's no further proposed development as a part of this

[2:29:55] Voice 2: permit application and the applicant

[2:30:00] Voice 2: has included a rationale letter as attachment three, arguing that the environmental impact

[2:30:05] Voice 2: is minimal because of previously disturbed areas where buildings and infrastructure was

[2:30:11] Voice 2: cited prior on the lot, and the rock walls, they're claiming that the rock walls help

[2:30:18] Voice 2: retain disturbed soils, reducing soil erosion, using natural sandstone from the property

[2:30:25] Voice 2: and include native species planted and selected by a landscape architect with shoreline areas left to return to their natural state with natural vegetation and reducing the visual impact of the walls from the foreshore.

[2:30:43] Voice 2: So removing the existing structures would likely be more destructive to the foreshore.

[2:30:47] Voice 2: and yeah based on this staff recommends that the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:30:55] Voice 2: approve issuance of development variance permit application ssdvp 2024.5 okay

[2:31:05] Voice 4: thank you and is

[2:31:07] Voice 4: the applicant with us today uh

[2:31:09] Voice 2: yes she's online do

[2:31:12] Voice 4: you have anything going in to add okay i'm

[2:31:35] Voice 4: hearing anything but uh i'll go to trustees any questions trustee patrick i

[2:31:45] Voice 8: mean these existing

[2:31:46] Voice 8: walls are only existing since um basically as part of this construction project they were founded by

[2:31:51] Voice 8: law enforcement to be then added and my question was to our staff when i understand the process

[2:31:57] Voice 8: when the building permit is submitted it's sent to us so to you to staff and review it and then

[2:32:04] Voice 8: to prove and send on to, I assume, the customer or customer, the applicant sees it, but it

[2:32:16] Voice 8: also goes along with the building permits.

[2:32:19] Voice 8: Are we missing an opportunity?

[2:32:20] Voice 8: And this is kind of a nonstop thing, stairs and walls built in the setback of the sea.

[2:32:31] Voice 8: And in this case, I hope, you know, I assume, I think there was some archaeological site

[2:32:36] Voice 2: nearby but it

[2:32:37] Voice 8: appears it wasn't touched or contacted but quite often that's in other cases

[2:32:41] Voice 8: that's one of the

[2:32:43] Voice 8: bigger risks is archaeological sites but also the ecology along with the water

[2:32:50] Voice 8: is there an opportunity on our

[2:32:52] Voice 8: part to be more clear in communications at those opportunities

[2:32:57] Voice 8: when we have a look at the building permits of waterfronts or even to make sure people are aware

[2:33:05] Voice 8: I understand. I'm sure the applicant did this. They weren't aware that this was a permit.

[2:33:11] Voice 8: How do we help people become aware of why we're asking for permits and trigger them

[2:33:18] Voice 8: to ask for permits? It's a huge percentage are already done. This is damage that's already

[2:33:24] Voice 8: occurred.

[2:33:31] Voice 8: primarily this is this is standing from building permit but it's called a demolition permit you

[2:33:39] don't do demolition permits at the island trust so that might be one area um but in terms of like

[2:33:46] earthworks um it is challenging to address that stuff um

[2:33:51] Voice 8: quite often i don't think there's a

[2:33:54] Voice 8: problem that doesn't deal with this issue so i'm i'm at a bit of a loss apart from a good

[2:34:00] public education um hopefully as our relationship continues to grow hoping that expands the other

[2:34:07] area of service where we're more close to building inspectors um we find ways

[2:34:11] Voice 8: to because they are on

[2:34:13] Voice 8: site a lot more than our planners are um partly it does help with our planners and it's um it's

[2:34:19] Voice 8: a value that i think uh we've tried to encourage the consulting office to plan our sites as often

[2:34:25] as they can they go on site check on the properties they can just any possible service to

[2:34:32] to ensure we're identifying possible

[2:34:34] Voice 8: issues to help our make sure that they're following the

[2:34:40] Voice 8: regulations getting work done beyond that i've met a bit of a lawsuit yeah and i just thought

[2:34:51] Voice 8: there's an opportunity to interact with which building permit that maybe there's a chance to

[2:34:57] Voice 8: communicate because that's when people are building

[2:34:59] Voice 9: and building on their minds

[2:35:01] Voice 8: at that time

[2:35:01] Voice 8: that we help educate them to the types the types of things so it's some generic information that

[2:35:08] Voice 8: could be passed along on those touch points when people are applying for building permits

[2:35:14] Voice 8: it's a cultural shift at that i believe historically um it's been kind of a habit

[2:35:19] in the building community of scheduling the machine because the machine gets busy

[2:35:25] at certain times of the year.

[2:35:27] And then, you know,

[2:35:28] Voice 8: surprisingly, there's one thing that takes longer

[2:35:31] Voice 8: than getting permits and looking

[2:35:33] Voice 8: for government approvals, which is, you know, getting that

[2:35:34] Voice 8: kind of support to your foundation work

[2:35:37] Voice 8: before you're putting in, and there's

[2:35:39] Voice 8: a bit of a cultural expectation. I think that's shifting,

[2:35:41] Voice 8: but it's a

[2:35:42] Voice 8: long generational shift in that

[2:35:45] Voice 8: industry.

[2:35:47] Voice 8: Hold on. Just a thought.

[2:35:53] Voice 8: Okay. Anything from you at all, Trustee Harris?

[2:35:58] Voice 17: Are we going to...

[2:36:00] Voice 17: Hello can you hear me? Yes. Are we going to forward what they want to do here or do I need

[2:36:08] Voice 17: to make a motion or? Well

[2:36:11] Voice 4: there's a recommendation I just wanted to check in and see if you have any

[2:36:14] Voice 4: questions before we go to a motion.

[2:36:16] Voice 17: I don't have any questions no I thank the planner for a job

[2:36:20] Voice 17: well done.

[2:36:25] Voice 8: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance development

[2:36:29] Voice 8: and variance permit application ssdbp 2024.5

[2:36:33] Voice 4: uh moved uh christopher scared a second

[2:36:37] Voice 17: seconded

[2:36:39] Voice 4: all right moved and seconded uh any discussion

[2:36:47] Voice 4: i'll call the question all those in favor and that motion carries uh next up coming from

[2:36:58] Voice 4: from Plano-Fortino, page 192,

[2:37:05] Voice 8: where the development permit for Furness Road.

[2:37:13] Voice 8: I'll turn it over to Plano-Fortino.

[2:37:15] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, Plano-Fortino is the way today

[2:37:17] Voice 8: that we'll be covering this one.

[2:37:18] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:37:19] Voice 8: This application falls under the donning application.

[2:37:22] Voice 8: It was uploaded a year or so ago.

[2:37:25] Voice 8: If LTC won't recall,

[2:37:27] Voice 8: this is for the development of a brew house

[2:37:32] and uh employee housing the brook and this one down the valley um so this this application

[2:37:38] addresses both the requirements for um development permit

[2:37:42] Voice 8: as well as the variance uh some of the

[2:37:45] Voice 8: documents along the step back on i want to say the west side of the property but it looks like

[2:37:54] Voice 8: um the east side of the property um there was a walk wall uh it was some some installation

[2:38:03] Voice 8: of structure. There's a variance request in here as well as mostly covering the development of

[2:38:15] Voice 8: planting and so the applicants provide a complete application here. We've gone back to the fact

[2:38:28] Voice 8: they'll be on the reporting in terms of vegetation assessment getting the deposit number sorted out

[2:38:37] Voice 8: but it is ready to go the right condition here is for approval um is

[2:38:52] Voice 6: the applicant with us today

[2:39:04] Voice 7: we're impacted by

[2:39:06] Voice 8: this application so should we speak now or yeah

[2:39:11] Voice 16: our um our contractor

[2:39:14] Voice 16: construction contractor is here yeah

[2:39:17] Voice 19: i'm here you can hear me okay

[2:39:20] Voice 18: yeah i can hear you did you have

[2:39:21] Voice 18: anything you wanted to add to the staff report for the questions uh

[2:39:26] Voice 19: i mean i read through what

[2:39:27] Voice 19: everything looks like it's there uh we've been working on this project for eight years i think

[2:39:32] Voice 19: from when we started with the covenant so um yeah i mean i think you need everything's covered off

[2:39:38] Voice 19: um nothing's out of the ordinary we'd like to get moving ahead if we can get the landscaping in the

[2:39:43] Voice 19: neighbor would be happy if we could get that happening um yeah not much else to add yeah and

[2:39:50] Voice 16: it would greatly help us with staffing as well because we keep entering a barrier for hiring

[2:39:55] Voice 16: staff with not having housing okay

[2:40:00] Voice 6: um

[2:40:03] Voice 8: to trust these uh questions just keep that well i do know

[2:40:10] Voice 8: that if you're there was one complaint that came in via email that planner had told them to come

[2:40:16] Voice 8: talk to us so i assume that's

[2:40:19] Voice 8: them so the planner had instructed them to come talk to us so okay

[2:40:30] So

[2:40:30] Voice 8: thank you for allowing me the opportunity or allowing us the opportunity to speak.

[2:40:37] Voice 8: We live at 275 French Road, which is immediately adjacent to the brewery.

[2:40:44] Voice 8: We owned that property for over 30 years and moved to Salisbury for retirement.

[2:40:55] Voice 8: we're expecting. So since removing or returning to Saltspring we've had of course the brewery

[2:41:09] Voice 8: develop and now we're also having a four-plex and brewmasters house. When I originally met

[2:41:21] Voice 8: with Jay some years ago we walked the property and he explained we're going to do the hillside

[2:41:32] Voice 8: And so that brings me today to a reflection on the conversation I had with Anthony, where he said for now being asked to agree to a variance permit.

[2:41:46] Voice 8: Well, the question is, why is a variance permit required?

[2:41:52] Voice 8: We are concerned that variance, basically, if it's related to the height of the structure,

[2:42:05] Voice 8: means that we are approving that a building that is overlooking our property, our yard, where we sit and enjoy,

[2:42:16] Voice 8: This building is now being built at a higher, at a greater height than had been necessary.

[2:42:26] Voice 8: So we find, we don't understand

[2:42:34] Voice 8: why a professional developer has to wait until this stage of

[2:42:39] Voice 8: development to say we are now going to ask for approval on something that they should

[2:42:46] Voice 8: have seen a long time

[2:42:48] Voice 8: ago and it's a major impact on us to have this fourplex overlooking our

[2:42:55] Voice 8: it's not necessary the the decision uh to approve that would mean that it's permanent and a permanent

[2:43:05] Voice 8: impact on our uh home and uh it is a really a significant burden on us and why are we expected

[2:43:15] Voice 8: to basically put up with this burden without having been consulted, without being involved

[2:43:25] Voice 8: in any kind of back and forth regarding possible options.

[2:43:31] Voice 8: Building into the hillside would not have caused a hike issue for us.

[2:43:39] Voice 8: Building on terraces does cause a significant issue for us.

[2:43:45] Voice 8: We do not want disparities in the group.

[2:43:48] Voice 19: So,

[2:43:49] Voice 8: Alex,

[2:43:50] Voice 19: this fourplex does not overlook your property.

[2:43:54] Voice 19: It's facing towards the entrance of our property.

[2:43:57] Voice 19: There's no balconies.

[2:43:58] Voice 19: There's nothing on that side of it.

[2:44:00] Voice 19: And that's kind of part of your front yard where I've never seen you spend much time other than spreading dirt around with your tractor.

[2:44:09] Voice 19: I mean, this covenant that was applied for, what, eight years ago?

[2:44:12] Voice 19: i mean we haven't really changed much from that original plan which had the fourplex in it so

[2:44:17] Voice 19: saying it's a surprise now i don't understand i mean you've been involved in this for a very

[2:44:23] Voice 19: long time and i don't quite get how you're now saying oh i don't want this to be overlooked in

[2:44:26] Voice 19: my property well a lot of the delays we've had alex because you keep calling them and complaining

[2:44:33] Voice 19: and then we have to get another study done and another assessment done and and then you're

[2:44:38] Voice 19: complaining that it's not finished why is the landscaping not done well because we can't just

[2:44:44] Voice 18: a moment please i'd like let's just stick to the issues i don't want this to get personal thank

[2:44:50] Voice 18: you very much

[2:44:50] Voice 19: i understand yeah i'm not i'm not making it personal but it's not going to overlook

[2:44:56] Voice 19: the property if you look at the original site plan we have not varied from the original site plan

[2:45:04] Voice 19: that was what proposed 2016.

[2:45:09] Voice 8: well i i make the difference there are three terraces

[2:45:13] Voice 8: um all uh starting at the entrance the lowest is at the entrance of the property the second one

[2:45:20] Voice 8: is a

[2:45:21] Voice 1: little bit further up our driveway

[2:45:22] Voice 8: um a few

[2:45:24] Voice 8: feet higher i think five or six feet higher

[2:45:26] Voice 8: that is intended to be a parking lot for the residents

[2:45:34] Voice 8: i'm going to raise the point of order just possibly that we could ensure the comments

[2:45:40] Voice 8: are being addressed to yourself in this situation yes yes

[2:45:42] Voice 8: did you catch that sir

[2:45:45] Voice 18: what do you think uh if you need to direct your comments to the chair please

[2:45:51] Voice 6: okay so

[2:45:52] Voice 8: if i could finish um the first terrorist is at the entrance to both properties that

[2:46:00] Voice 8: That terrace is held in place by a retaining wall and is probably five or six or seven feet high.

[2:46:08] Voice 8: I haven't measured it.

[2:46:10] Voice 8: The second terrace, which is connected to the first, is again another number of feet higher,

[2:46:18] Voice 8: which is intended for parking for the residents.

[2:46:21] Voice 8: That terrace immediately overlooks our property.

[2:46:25] Voice 8: And then there's a third terrace, again, a number of feet higher, onto which a two-story

[2:46:35] Voice 8: structure will be built.

[2:46:39] Voice 8: We don't understand why there is a need for a variance at this stage.

[2:46:47] Voice 8: If height issues have been a problem, they should have been addressed at the very beginning

[2:46:53] Voice 8: of the project and not at this stage. We feel that we are being railroaded into accepting

[2:47:01] Voice 8: a variance that has a significant impact on us and there are options to how this building

[2:47:10] Voice 8: could be constructed that do not have impact on us and those options should have been pursued

[2:47:18] Voice 8: or we should have been involved in the approval of what is currently being proposed.

[2:47:23] Voice 8: That has not been the case. We have not had a good relationship with the owners of this brewery for a number of reasons.

[2:47:32] Voice 8: And we certainly do not trust them to be good neighbors.

[2:47:38] Voice 8: And hence, we are very, very concerned about getting this thing approved as it stands.

[2:47:51] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas,

[2:47:52] Voice 19: Can I address the chair, or me, can I address the Chair, yes, so the elevation of this building has not changed, it is still going to be the same height, it always was, we originally had it built into the hill and the second story walk out to where the upper level parking is that has not changed.

[2:48:15] Voice 19: Mayor Mrakas, When they did the septic field upgrade several years ago.

[2:48:19] Voice 19: and when these drawings were put in originally for the covenant it came to our we became aware

[2:48:27] Voice 19: that where the upgraded septic tanks were put in would be where we would be building into the hill

[2:48:33] Voice 19: for this building so we weren't able to do that so we've made the building same height we've just

[2:48:40] Voice 19: moved it ahead of the bank so we're not building into that hill and then having to tear out the

[2:48:46] Voice 19: hundred thousand dollar septic system that was put in so we haven't changed anything as far as

[2:48:51] Voice 19: building heights or concerns since the original covenant was applied for or was on was granted

[2:48:57] Voice 19: so this design of the fourplex and the caretaker's suite uh it's not really a single family home it's

[2:49:03] Voice 19: a it's a one bedroom uh caretaker's suite uh it hasn't changed since the original application

[2:49:09] Voice 19: however many years ago that was so it's not a taller building it's not a bigger building it

[2:49:17] Voice 19: still all meet the criteria of the original covenant application

[2:49:22] Voice 4: okay um

[2:49:26] Voice 8: trustees just

[2:49:28] Voice 8: a question for staff i mean this we're not giving a variance on height is that right

[2:49:34] Voice 8: no the uh the variance is for a setback correct so i think it's regulations

[2:49:42] Voice 10: and

[2:49:45] Voice 7: why is it set back

[2:49:50] Voice 7: The

[2:49:50] Voice 8: development variance permit has been submitted for a variance to allow for a rock thinning

[2:49:55] Voice 8: wall side yard setback to be 0.47 meters from the lawn line.

[2:50:02] Voice 7: 0.47

[2:50:03] Voice 8: meters

[2:50:04] Voice 7: from the property

[2:50:06] Voice 7: line.

[2:50:07] Voice 8: So that is a half a meter from the property line, a little less, and what is the normal

[2:50:14] Voice 8: setback requirements three

[2:50:19] Voice 6: meters okay

[2:50:29] Voice 7: so my question would be because we weren't involved

[2:50:34] Voice 7: in this process in terms of what the variance was in this case we were under the impression

[2:50:42] Voice 7: height, that information had not been shared because of the obvious height that we can

[2:50:49] Voice 7: see from our property.

[2:50:51] Voice 7: It would appear to be that there is a similar thing as the

[2:50:53] Voice 8: platforms that we built, and

[2:50:56] Voice 7: how close they are to our property.

[2:51:01] Voice 7: So, our position of our privacy, and the impact, the significant impact of our privacy, has

[2:51:09] Voice 7: not changed.

[2:51:11] Voice 7: Because instead of having now a three meter, as you're telling me, three meters,

[2:51:15] Voice 7: what should be now

[2:51:17] Voice 8: we're going for half a meter so instead of having that parking lot three meters

[2:51:22] Voice 8: from our property we now have it right in our face almost right off the bank

[2:51:27] Voice 8: additionally there is a requirement for a vegetated screen between a commercial

[2:51:33] Voice 8: space and a private residence and with half a meter i'm not convinced that a proper barrier

[2:51:42] Voice 8: that retains that that regards our privacy can be created especially given the height um

[2:51:55] Voice 8: mr cotton can you speak to the requirements about the vegetative screen

[2:52:00] Voice 8: the vegetative screening can you agenda the budget there is a landscaping plan for this project

[2:52:22] Voice 10: mr

[2:52:49] Voice 6: chair certainly 236. quite

[2:53:33] Voice 8: a vegetative screen on the side of the property um

[2:53:38] Voice 8: on the west side of the parking lot is um there's less vegetation in the parking area

[2:53:44] Voice 8: this is the provided this is this is our front lawn here this uh if i understand it correctly

[2:53:58] Voice 8: is the four flex that's the four one bedroom units that will be overlooking our front yard i i

[2:54:07] Voice 8: i really can't understand how the applicant can say that this is not in the field of vision

[2:54:13] Voice 8: and impacting and uh the the height of these trees planted here um i'm not sure what kind of trees

[2:54:22] Voice 8: are going to plant but there's this is probably 15 to 20 feet over our property line over our

[2:54:29] Voice 8: property level so so i know that there's a number of alternatives uh in the staff report

[2:54:44] I don't know if trustees have put their minds to any of those.

[2:54:52] It

[2:54:53] Voice 8: included a referral to the Advisory Planning Committee requesting further information.

[2:55:00] Voice 8: Guidelines are not met on that.

[2:55:24] Voice 4: Trustee Harris?

[2:55:26] Voice 4: Could

[2:55:29] Voice 17: you please tell me the page of the recommendation from the page the recommendation is on?

[2:55:38] Voice 17: on.

[2:55:40] Voice 4: Okay, they page 192. And then their alternate recommendations are made our start on 197.

[2:55:53] Voice 4: Thank

[2:55:58] Voice 17: you. I'm prepared to, to make a motion to forward these recommendations if there's

[2:56:07] Voice 17: um support for a conversation or uh support for these recommendations from the local trust

[2:56:15] Voice 17: committee i

[2:56:17] Voice 10: think you're saying he's prepared to make the record um all right

[2:56:28] Voice 10: uh just thoughts well

[2:56:34] Voice 8: i mean i'm i can see i mean it's tough when we don't have the

[2:56:39] Voice 8: you know one lot in perspective and not the others they're exactly and um

[2:56:46] Voice 8: I can see the value of the vegetative screen there.

[2:56:50] Voice 8: The setbacks, but it's basically a setback to the wall.

[2:56:56] Voice 9: And I guess

[2:56:58] Voice 8: a question, is the parking lot that's below the fourplex,

[2:57:06] Voice 8: is that a parking lot for the only held for the people who live in the fourplex,

[2:57:13] Voice 8: or is that a customer parking lot?

[2:57:18] Voice 19: The parking lot is for the fourplex. The little one is for the fourplex.

[2:57:22] Voice 19: All

[2:57:23] Voice 8: right so that one I mean that I think makes it better and I think if the screening is there

[2:57:28] then you know that's better if that and if that lot is maintained and managed so that

[2:57:36] customers don't you know pull in there after dark and you know lights and things.

[2:57:42] things.

[2:57:44] Voice 8: So I think it's going to be really beholden on the applicant to get that screening

[2:57:49] Voice 8: done well and I think that's an opportunity to work with the neighbours to make sure that

[2:57:54] Voice 8: the screening is done well. I think that is going to make the difference is that piece

[2:58:03] Voice 8: of screening.

[2:58:05] Voice 19: Yeah and we have been working on that screening

[2:58:08] Voice 19: and we have worked with the neighbours and we have shown them the landscaping plan. They

[2:58:15] Voice 19: when we built that rock wall they were aware of what was happening uh i had met with alex

[2:58:22] Voice 19: several times on site uh we cleaned all that area up we pulled the wall back a little bit at one

[2:58:29] Voice 19: point in time we just we haven't just been uh bulldozing our way through this um so you know

[2:58:36] Voice 19: we would like to get the you know we offered to get this landscaping plan in uh a part of it that

[2:58:43] Voice 19: that wall up sooner than the rest of the construction process

[2:58:47] Voice 19: to get that in, to give them that privacy.

[2:58:50] Voice 19: But, you know, until we knew if we were going to get

[2:58:52] Voice 19: this development permit or what was going to happen

[2:58:55] Voice 19: and what was going to be approved,

[2:58:57] Voice 19: we didn't want to go and spend, you know,

[2:58:59] Voice 19: tens of tens of thousands of dollars

[2:59:01] Voice 19: putting plantings in that wouldn't be approved.

[2:59:03] Voice 19: So, I mean, if this goes through,

[2:59:06] Voice 19: we are more than happy to go in there

[2:59:07] Voice 19: and get that landscape along that property line

[2:59:09] Voice 19: and it's going to fall.

[2:59:22] Voice 7: So the landscaping plan that was shared with us described a variety of trees that were

[2:59:28] Voice 7: not the height that would actually create that height as a stream.

[2:59:35] Voice 7: So again, with a half a meter setback now being asked for, two meters, these terraces

[2:59:44] Voice 7: or platforms as you call them as you said there's three they are still personal so i'm trying to

[2:59:52] Voice 7: understand how they're going to get enough what your choice of landscaping is

[2:59:57] Voice 8: is

[2:59:58] Voice 7: actually going to

[3:00:00] Voice 7: to be planted in solid rock and actually have any kind of likelihood of survival to maintain that

[3:00:07] Voice 7: privacy.

[3:00:07] Voice 8: That block was brought in and compacted with a compaction roller

[3:00:14] Voice 8: and nothing will grow there unless that is some portion is removed and half a meter is not very

[3:00:22] Voice 8: much space.

[3:00:24] Voice 19: So we have landscape professionals that are going to do all that and I can assure

[3:00:29] Voice 19: you that it will be done and we have to pay a landscape deposit and we'll have to probably

[3:00:33] Voice 19: have a fawn to prove that the landscaping does stay alive so i have no concerns at all about

[3:00:39] Voice 19: the plantings along there it will be uh it'll be great it'll look very nice uh the stuff has

[3:00:47] Voice 19: been picked you know we've gone through and we've had a forestry professional come up with

[3:00:52] Voice 19: recommendations as to what will grow uh and you know we did the best we can to have the native

[3:00:58] Voice 19: species maintained so that what we're planning is native to the islands uh there's you know been a

[3:01:02] Voice 19: lot of money and thought put into that landscape it's not just willy-nilly um so there i don't

[3:01:09] Voice 19: seem honestly i have no concerns of what's going to be planted there and it's living

[3:01:14] Voice 8: so uh just one last comment is correct that jay has consulted with us over over the period of time

[3:01:26] Voice 8: time. We had been told that landscaping would come in. In fact, piles of dirt were brought

[3:01:35] Voice 8: to the site. And we thought, oh, this is great. Landscaping, as he's just indicated, would

[3:01:42] Voice 8: be put in before the construction starts. Those piles of dirt are still there a number

[3:01:49] Voice 8: of years later and so what assurance do we have that we don't wait after wait another two or three

[3:01:57] Voice 8: years for this actual um landscape which is supposed to happen before the construction

[3:02:05] Voice 8: actually will be done before the construction

[3:02:09] Voice 8: yeah

[3:02:10] Voice 4: can i i was just going

[3:02:12] Voice 4: to ask the staff

[3:02:13] Voice 4: yeah there's there's a security deposit and can you just speak a

[3:02:18] Voice 8: little bit about how that works

[3:02:20] Voice 8: sure uh that's kind of the um in my mind i guess uh the the expectation is the landscape

[3:02:30] Voice 8: occur um towards the end of development of course development it is site works right um so um

[3:02:37] typically the building that goes in and the landscape will

[3:02:39] Voice 8: come in shortly after during

[3:02:41] Voice 8: during the development phase when you're looking for some type of um set of advantages if anything

[3:02:45] Voice 8: um beyond that with the dp uh there's a plan for plans of clients expectation here we have

[3:02:51] Voice 8: a landscape estimate and a value that's been placed on the total landscaping uh we retain

[3:02:57] Voice 8: a portion of that landscaping and we can follow up on uh so it's basically a bond so the survivability

[3:03:03] Voice 8: of that is pretty much what um what they are wanting to ensure um they are being more

[3:03:09] insurance when the plant was established lived over a two-year period so we followed up in two

[3:03:14] years if the plantings have failed um then they would need to replant and

[3:03:18] Voice 8: we would continue that

[3:03:20] Voice 8: process until we have survival landscape the issue is the development permit places a number

[3:03:25] Voice 8: of legal requirements on the owner so um it allows us to follow up and if that compliance is not

[3:03:31] Voice 8: occurring through the compliance routing codes to enforce it that is the intention of the development

[3:03:37] Voice 8: yeah and then the security deposit is not released so there's that stuff satisfied

[3:03:50] Voice 8: and uh jay had just mentioned that he would be willing to do the educated barriers before

[3:04:00] Voice 8: construction can we hold the applicant to that i'm not sure correctly i don't really feel that

[3:04:10] Voice 8: I have the ability, I don't feel that it's appropriate for the LPC to impose conditions

[3:04:15] on the order of steps in a development like

[3:04:19] Voice 8: this, if not, we're not really that kind of an expert.

[3:04:22] Voice 8: However, once the development permit is issued, it is up to the applicant to determine

[3:04:27] Voice 8: what the best and most efficient means of getting this work completed is.

[3:04:34] Voice 8: Well, we've already been impacted for a number of years by this development

[3:04:40] Voice 8: and i think it's reasonable to expect uh that we don't have to wait as long as we have already

[3:04:49] Voice 8: waited and now we're being asked to wait again to the convenience of the builder or the applicant i

[3:04:57] Voice 8: think that's unfair and i think our privacy has been impacted uh for a number of years and it

[3:05:04] Voice 8: looks like it will continue to be uh during construction and then afterwards by you know

[3:05:10] Voice 8: high density housing looking down on our front yard i i think there needs to be a compromise

[3:05:16] Voice 8: and that compromise would be that the vegetative stream is built before so that we don't have to

[3:05:24] Voice 8: put up with all of that uh disruption for the next couple of years all

[3:05:29] Voice 19: right may i address

[3:05:30] Voice 19: the board sorry

[3:05:31] Voice 4: is that you jay may

[3:05:34] Voice 19: i address yes

[3:05:36] Voice 4: to the chair please

[3:05:37] Voice 19: yeah so what i'd like

[3:05:39] Voice 19: to clarify is that the landscaping wasn't able to be done because we didn't have the permit

[3:05:45] Voice 19: application so for us to go and spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on large trees

[3:05:52] Voice 19: excavation work to put the dirt in to get everything irrigation systems final set of

[3:05:58] Voice 19: permit application isn't accepted and that that landscape plan isn't accepted would have been

[3:06:03] Voice 19: foolish so as soon as it

[3:06:05] Voice 19: gets accepted and that we have you know just go ahead we can get on that

[3:06:11] Voice 19: there's there's not a i mean just to try and say that you know let's get this done ahead of time

[3:06:17] Voice 19: and then find out from you know when we get to this application focus that you know you guys

[3:06:21] Voice 19: better hold off on your landscaping until you have something approved so you don't have to redo it

[3:06:25] Voice 19: it and take out a bunch of stuff so it hasn't it's not been sitting for lack of will it's been

[3:06:31] Voice 19: sitting because we need to get this permit application okay

[3:06:36] Voice 8: thank you and staff has advised

[3:06:38] Voice 8: that it's not appropriate for the local trust committee the commission is on the steps um

[3:06:47] Voice 17: let's see trustee harris yeah i i feel that the best way to get this finished is um is to get

[3:06:56] Voice 17: this project started and the best way to do that is to approve these recommendations there's a large

[3:07:00] Voice 17: bond put forward here i think that's a really good um you know it's a great um it's good of

[3:07:09] Voice 17: the applicants to do that and be willing to do that so i'm happy to make the motions if

[3:07:15] Voice 17: they will be heard okay

[3:07:19] Voice 4: um proceed

[3:07:21] Voice 17: um i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[3:07:24] Voice 17: committee approves issuance of development permit ssdp 2021.4 270 furnace road subject to the

[3:07:33] Voice 17: collection of a landscaping security deposit of 89 662.50 150 of pre-tax estimate uh so moved

[3:07:45] Voice 18: seconded uh further discussion Justice Patrick I

[3:07:49] Voice 8: think I'm hearing Jay I really encourage you

[3:07:54] Voice 8: know the two of you to work together um i understand construction sites and looking

[3:07:59] Voice 8: next to it is this has been a long time on this project um so i just really encourage

[3:08:05] Voice 8: to work together communicate and uh um do the best you can we

[3:08:14] Voice 19: have no problem with that

[3:08:16] Voice 4: okay trustees any further discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:08:25] Voice 8: and that motion carries there's a further motion

[3:08:30] Voice 17: here i move that the salt spring island local

[3:08:33] Voice 17: trust committee approves the issuance of development variance permit 2021.22270 furnace road

[3:08:43] Voice 4: seconded by trustee patrick uh any discussion not

[3:08:52] Voice 3: seeing any discussion i'll call the question

[3:08:54] Voice 3: all those in favor and that motion carries thank

[3:09:01] Voice 4: you okay and our next application starts on page

[3:09:12] Voice 4: 336 and this is uh planner garuba when i say that correctly please proceed thank

[3:09:23] Voice 7: you mr chair so um

[3:09:26] Voice 7: This application is for Development Variance Permits.

[3:09:30] Voice 7: Can

[3:09:31] Voice 18: I ask you to speak up just a little bit, because I know it will be hard to hear online.

[3:09:37] Voice 9: So, this presenting application is for Development Variance Permits for a property at 166 Rainbow Road.

[3:09:47] Voice 9: It's zoned general employment and it's a commercial use, the wind saw plywood.

[3:09:53] Voice 9: wood and so it is for the tent that was installed after the main operation building was um gutted

[3:10:03] Voice 9: down in a fire so the application is to relax the front line setback for the tent and um so

[3:10:14] Voice 9: the african's rationale for the variant is that the tent is a temporary structure which will

[3:10:21] Voice 9: So it will be removed after the completion of a new operation building.

[3:10:26] Voice 9: And also, the current location of the tent will facilitate ongoing operations during the building permit application process and eventual construction of the new facility.

[3:10:40] Voice 9: So, the variance to the front lot line is from 7.5 meters to 5.2 meters.

[3:10:47] Voice 9: and also the variance to the interior side lot line is from 6.0 meters to 0.8 meters and um

[3:10:55] Voice 9: staff has recommended that the salt spring island local trust committee approves the

[3:11:01] Voice 9: development variance from its pl dvp 2024 zero zero eight eight okay

[3:11:09] Voice 4: thank you and i

[3:11:09] Voice 4: assume we have a representative online uh out of getty did you want to add anything to to the staff

[3:11:15] Voice 4: uh information uh

[3:11:18] Voice 15: thank you yeah i don't have too much to add to this um except to to point out that

[3:11:23] Voice 15: the tent is currently in in place um this is just something we um need need to proceed um

[3:11:30] Voice 15: onto our building permit with the crd um and as soon as that goes in um then like this as soon

[3:11:38] Voice 15: as we get into our building then this uh tent uh tent and all surrounding structures are going to

[3:11:45] Voice 15: be removed so it's i just wanted to make that comment that the tent is um in this existing

[3:11:52] Voice 15: um position already um and just a general comment saying the sooner um we get a proper building

[3:12:00] Voice 15: permit um uh ongoing and into the new building the the sooner this uh our our temporary structure

[3:12:08] Voice 15: is removed from the property

[3:12:12] Voice 4: unless

[3:12:13] Voice 18: there

[3:12:16] Voice 17: are any questions I'm prepared to make this motion

[3:12:19] Voice 17: Okay,

[3:12:20] Voice 8: so Trustee Patrick's hand, so I'll see if that's a question.

[3:12:24] Voice 8: Mine was more a comment. My understanding, and again this is just lessons learned, is I mean

[3:12:30] Voice 8: Windsor Plywood did a remarkable job of recovering from a fire being open up for business

[3:12:37] Voice 8: hours. It was impressive. I understand that's the CRD that's requiring that they get the

[3:12:44] Voice 8: development variance permit on the 10th before they can get the building permit um so i'm just

[3:12:50] Voice 8: it was in the future not that we want any businesses burning down we're going to have

[3:12:55] Voice 8: a second one today on the agenda um we don't want any more i think we've had our fire quote

[3:13:00] Voice 8: on the island but um why did it take so long if this was necessary for a business that's been

[3:13:07] Voice 8: operating and you know because now it's in the way of getting the building permit

[3:13:12] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, I think what happened here that after the fire, we didn't really follow up on enforcement of any kind when the times went up.

[3:13:22] It looks like what's going on here, the building inspectors have ongoing concerns regarding this from a life and safety perspective for the building code.

[3:13:33] um so had required winter to get for a building permit retroactively to ensure that that um and

[3:13:42] with the additional construction that may present a risk right so um unfortunately when we were asked

[3:13:46] to provide final approval as we do um we couldn't provide that approval without this this barrier

[3:13:53] pretty much how we've gotten to this point it is an unfortunate circumstance uh amongst unfortunate

[3:13:58] circumstances um we've really worked

[3:14:01] Voice 8: to um to get this one out of the way as quickly as possible

[3:14:03] Voice 8: that you want that we get going on this new building absolutely thank you okay uh trustee

[3:14:10] Voice 17: harris

[3:14:10] Voice 8: um

[3:14:12] Voice 17: yeah you know just to comment this is another prime example of how um we would fare

[3:14:17] Voice 17: much better if salt spring was under the uh and the entirety of salt spring was the under the

[3:14:22] Voice 17: umbrella of a municipality um it's glaringly apparent um anyways i'm prepared to make the

[3:14:28] Voice 17: motion uh go

[3:14:29] Voice 17: ahead with the motion please

[3:14:30] Voice 4: um

[3:14:31] Voice 17: i move that the salt spring island local press

[3:14:33] Voice 17: committee approve issuance of development variance permit pld vp 2024 0088 seconded any further

[3:14:45] Voice 18: discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor motion

[3:14:52] Voice 4: carries uh next starting

[3:14:56] Voice 4: on page 354

[3:14:59] Voice 8: we have a staff report again from planet aruba let's go ahead thank

[3:15:06] Voice 9: you very much

[3:15:06] Voice 9: mr chair so this staff report is for an application for development various permits for

[3:15:15] Voice 9: an addition to an existing building however this addition is encroaching on the front

[3:15:23] Voice 9: lot line setback specified in the land is by law it is for a property located at 230 smith road

[3:15:31] Voice 9: in the rural zone so there is an existing main dwelling on the property and the applicant is

[3:15:38] Voice 9: proposing to have an addition to the main dwelling, the already existing dwelling,

[3:15:45] Voice 9: which is supposed to be a sleeping area for the owner of the property. However, this addition is

[3:15:52] Voice 9: to be joined by a reading room, but provisions in the land use bylaws actually stipulates having

[3:16:01] Voice 9: having a separate suite from the main dwelling just in a bit to ensure that there are no

[3:16:08] Voice 9: two separate suites joined by unenclosed spaces and so the development variance permit is

[3:16:17] Voice 9: to the front lot line which is 7.5 meters but the variance is to reduce this 7.5 meters

[3:16:28] Voice 9: And so, staff has recommended that the Development Variance Permits be issued.

[3:16:40] Voice 9: So, staff has recommended that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve

[3:16:44] Voice 9: Issues of Development Variance Permits, SSTVP 2034.3.

[3:16:52] Voice 4: Okay, thank you. And I believe I saw the applicant online.

[3:16:55] Voice 4: Did you have anything you wanted to add to the staff information?

[3:16:59] Voice 4: information um

[3:17:02] Voice 12: I think I might just add one thing um the uh the adjacent property is also owned by

[3:17:07] Voice 12: the um the owner applicant as well um I think that would be the only only addition and I thank uh the

[3:17:14] Voice 12: planner's assistance on this application trustees

[3:17:20] Voice 4: any questions just to Patrick I know I don't have

[3:17:26] Voice 6: any

[3:17:26] Voice 8: questions um the trust committee approved issuance of development variance permit SS

[3:17:36] Voice 8: that's dvp 2024. uh

[3:17:39] Voice 4: so moved and uh do you have a seconder justy harris seconds any further

[3:17:48] Voice 4: discussion not

[3:17:51] Voice 18: seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor and

[3:17:56] Voice 4: the motion carries thank

[3:17:57] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:18:01] Voice 4: And next we have page 370, Planner Buchan, BC Ferries.

[3:18:18] Voice 4: Go ahead, Planner Buchan.

[3:18:21] Voice 13: Thank you, Mr. Chair and Trustees.

[3:18:22] Voice 13: We have an application for an OCP amendment and rezoning

[3:18:26] Voice 13: in front of you today,

[3:18:27] Voice 13: which would bring our current land use by-law and OCP

[3:18:29] Voice 13: into alignment with the Vesuvius Bay BC Ferries Terminal,

[3:18:32] Voice 13: while also supporting the proposed redevelopment efforts in place.

[3:18:35] Voice 13: This application was previously brought to you earlier this year.

[3:18:40] Voice 13: This has now returned to LTC for consideration of the draft bylaws

[3:18:43] Voice 13: included in the staff report.

[3:18:45] Voice 13: Staff proposed to amend the official community plan

[3:18:47] Voice 13: to redesignate the on-land portion of the terminal to shoreline development.

[3:18:52] Voice 13: This would support the various infrastructure and loading area.

[3:18:56] Voice 13: The OCP amendment also proposes to expand the shoreline development designation

[3:19:01] Voice 13: designation beyond its current water boundary to enable the construction of the new trestle.

[3:19:06] Voice 13: Staff proposed to amend the zoning of the on-land properties to the Shoreline 3 Variant A,

[3:19:11] Voice 13: which expands typical Shoreline 3 uses to include retail sales, as proposed by the applicant.

[3:19:16] Voice 13: Further, the draft bylaw proposes to expand the Shoreline 3 zoning into the expanded water lots,

[3:19:21] Voice 13: consistent with the OCP ask. Finally, the draft Land Use Bylaw Amendment 6.2 implement a definition

[3:19:28] Voice 13: under section 1.1.1. To bring clarity to the term public ferry wharf, the public ferry wharf

[3:19:33] Voice 13: use is currently permitted in the S3 zone, but it's not defined. So this would just define it

[3:19:39] Voice 13: for you. In addition to the recommended first reading, staff recommend a formal referral of

[3:19:45] Voice 13: the draft bylaws to the listed First Nations agencies and the Advisory Planning Committee

[3:19:49] Voice 13: for comment. Further, due to the presence of mapped eelgrass beds and the sensitive shoreline

[3:19:54] Voice 13: development permit area overlapping with the proposed redevelopment site, staff recommend

[3:19:59] Voice 13: a qualified environmental professionals report which conducts an environmental assessment

[3:20:02] Voice 13: in line with the development approval information bylaw terms. This request is reinforced by OCP

[3:20:09] Voice 13: section C.2.4 to.26, which states to ensure that ferry terminal improvements are designed to

[3:20:15] Voice 13: minimize impacts on the natural environment, particularly in sensitive shoreline areas.

[3:20:20] Voice 13: areas. At this point, staff are unable to speak to the trust policy statement consistency until

[3:20:25] Voice 13: such a report is produced. Based on the OCP analysis, staff find that the proposal is largely

[3:20:31] Voice 13: in compliance with existing OCP policy, with the exception of residential policy B.2.4.2.2,

[3:20:38] Voice 13: which states that zones within residential neighborhoods will accommodate medium-density

[3:20:41] Voice 13: residential uses. Now, provided the long-term historical fairies use of this area and the

[3:20:47] Voice 13: corresponding ocp amendment to bring consistency with the terminal use in this area staff believe

[3:20:53] Voice 13: the redesignation to shoreline development is necessary for the terminal operations

[3:20:57] Voice 13: and it would bring the proposal in further consistency with the ocp part c policy which

[3:21:02] Voice 13: is titled infrastructure and servicing objectives and policies if ltc is prepared to move forward

[3:21:08] Voice 13: with staff's recommendations a future report will bring this application back for trustees

[3:21:12] Voice 13: endorsement on the policy statement consistency second reading and recommendation to move

[3:21:17] Voice 13: forward with both a community information meeting and public hearing one note to make after third

[3:21:22] Voice 13: reading um provided we get that far these bylaws will require ministry of transportation sign-off

[3:21:26] Voice 13: as the ferry terminals are considered provincial highways according to the ministry mapping

[3:21:31] Voice 13: now the applicant has confirmed that he is online with us today and we're both happy to answer any

[3:21:35] Voice 13: questions you may have thank you trustees thank

[3:21:39] Voice 4: you flanagan um before we proceed obviously if

[3:21:41] Voice 4: if there's Mr. Peterson today.

[3:21:44] Voice 4: Would you like to add anything before we go to questions?

[3:21:48] Voice 5: No, I have nothing more to add at this time.

[3:21:50] Voice 5: You heard from me last time, but thank you.

[3:21:52] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[3:21:53] Voice 4: So trustees, any questions?

[3:21:56] Voice 8: I don't have any questions.

[3:21:58] Voice 8: I thought your presentation we received

[3:21:59] Voice 8: last time was very clear.

[3:22:01] Voice 8: The only request I'll make is that we should just provide

[3:22:05] Voice 8: a copy of these proposed draft bylaws

[3:22:09] Voice 8: us to the ferry advisory committee for information just because they like to be kept informed

[3:22:16] Voice 8: that seems like a reasonable request okay

[3:22:22] Voice 4: um and there are uh multiple parts to the

[3:22:26] Voice 4: recommendations here so uh let's let's get going on we'd

[3:22:33] Voice 8: like to start i can start i'm with the

[3:22:38] Voice 8: south spring island local trust committee uh south spring island local trust committee bylaw

[3:22:45] Voice 8: number

[3:22:45] Voice 9: five three eight cited as south spring island official community plan number four three

[3:22:52] Voice 8: four 2008 amendment number one 2024 you read it first time moved

[3:22:57] Voice 4: and all right i'm having trouble

[3:23:01] Voice 4: seeing uh and seconded by trustee harris any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question

[3:23:08] Voice 4: all those in favor motion carries to

[3:23:12] Voice 8: the second one would you like to keep going yes um that the

[3:23:17] Voice 8: salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number 539 cited in salt spring island land use

[3:23:22] Voice 8: bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number one 2024 be ready first time

[3:23:28] Voice 4: and uh seconded by trustee harris

[3:23:33] Voice 4: and uh look for any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:23:41] Voice 4: motion carries on

[3:23:45] Voice 8: local trust committee request staff referred proposed bylaw number 538 and 539

[3:23:51] Voice 8: to agencies organizations and first nations as identified in the staff report dated september 12

[3:23:57] Voice 8: 2024.

[3:24:00] Voice 4: moved seconded by trustee harris uh any further discussion not seeing any i'll call the

[3:24:08] Voice 4: question all

[3:24:09] Voice 18: those in favor carries i

[3:24:15] Voice 8: move that the salt spain and local trust committee request

[3:24:17] Voice 8: staff refer proposed bylaw number 538 and 539 to the advisory planning committee for comment

[3:24:25] Voice 4: moved seconded by trustee harris any further discussion seeing any i'll call the question

[3:24:33] Voice 4: all those in favor carries do you want to

[3:24:39] Voice 8: add one in about the various measures i can add it in now

[3:24:42] Voice 8: if that makes sense i'll move that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff

[3:24:47] Voice 8: provide proposed bylaw number 538 and 539 to the salt spring ferry advisory committee for

[3:24:55] Voice 8: information moved

[3:24:59] Voice 4: secondly by trustee harris any further discussion i'm seeing any i'll call the

[3:25:05] Voice 4: question all those in favor motion

[3:25:09] Voice 8: carries and i move that the salt spring island local trust

[3:25:13] Voice 9: committee requests that the

[3:25:14] Voice 8: applicant submit to the island's trust to report from qualified

[3:25:16] Voice 9: by environmental professional prior to second reading conducting an assessment on the following

[3:25:22] Voice 9: conservation assessment site impact assessment impact mitigation measures monitoring requirements

[3:25:29] Voice 9: restoration assessment and professional certified opinion that if the development is implemented as

[3:25:36] Voice 9: proposed there will be no harmful alteration

[3:25:38] Voice 8: disruption or destruction of environmentally

[3:25:41] Voice 8: all of the valuable features functions and conditions moved

[3:25:46] Voice 6: uh

[3:25:51] Voice 4: seconded by trustee harris

[3:25:54] Voice 4: any further discussion i

[3:25:56] Voice 17: would i have a comment um yes you could lower my hand here um

[3:26:02] Voice 17: you know it's it's very interesting we're amending the ocp um it's it's great that we

[3:26:07] Voice 17: can actually do that um and i wish we had exercised this sort of uh thing um a long

[3:26:15] Voice 17: time ago regarding bylaw 530. thank you all

[3:26:21] Voice 3: right uh no further comment i'll call the question all

[3:26:25] Voice 3: those in favor and

[3:26:29] Voice 8: the motion carries okay thank

[3:26:32] Voice 4: you trustees next on page 386 and the report and

[3:26:43] Voice 4: And this is coming to us from Planner

[3:26:47] Voice 8: Anaheifar.

[3:26:50] Voice 4: Is that correct?

[3:26:51] Voice 4: Anaheifar.

[3:26:52] Voice 4: Anaheifar.

[3:26:55] Voice 4: And I see you there on the line.

[3:26:57] Voice 4: Please go ahead.

[3:26:58] Voice 1: Thank you, Mr. Chair and trustees.

[3:27:00] Voice 1: This application is for a heritage alteration permit to allow restoration for 116 Hereford Avenue,

[3:27:07] Voice 1: Salt Spring Island Linen and Dry Cleaners Building, which was damaged by fire in February 2023.

[3:27:12] Voice 1: 23. the property is a two-story building within commercial one zoning heritage alteration permit

[3:27:18] Voice 1: is required because the building is adjacent to old man's building at 112 hereford avenue

[3:27:25] Voice 1: listed in section f15 schedule of our community plan document has protected heritage property

[3:27:33] Voice 1: the subject lot is within heritage conservation area ganges of village core as shown on map 25

[3:27:39] Voice 1: 5 in the OCP and designated according to section 614 of the local government act to conserve the

[3:27:46] Voice 1: community's cultural heritage. The proposed restoration involves alteration to buildings

[3:27:52] Voice 1: facade but these changes are minimal and managed in a way to retain the heritage character. There

[3:27:58] Voice 1: are no alterations to buildings footprint or height and changes do not obstruct the view to

[3:28:03] Voice 1: the adjacent building. Because the alterations are in accordance with OCP objectives to reinforce

[3:28:09] Voice 1: to enforce the village's appearance and economic stability

[3:28:12] Voice 1: for property owner and the community

[3:28:14] Voice 1: and guidelines for heritage conservation areas

[3:28:17] Voice 1: staff recommend issuance of permit PLHAP 2024-0142.

[3:28:28] Voice 1: Thank

[3:28:29] Voice 4: you, trustees.

[3:28:30] Voice 4: Any questions?

[3:28:31] Voice 7: Oh,

[3:28:32] Voice 4: the applicants in the room, sorry.

[3:28:33] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[3:28:34] Voice 7: Hi, Gail Day, your architect.

[3:28:36] Voice 7: No comments other than to

[3:28:38] Voice 7: thank the planner

[3:28:43] Voice 4: okay uh trustees any questions i

[3:28:48] Voice 8: think it's uh glad to see that this is progressing and would

[3:28:52] Voice 8: like to see another business back uh restored after a horrendous fire so thank you all right

[3:29:03] Voice 8: question i'm

[3:29:04] Voice 9: at the south spring

[3:29:04] Voice 8: island local trust committee approved

[3:29:06] Voice 8: Proof of Issues of Heritage Alteration Permit, PLH AP 2024-0142.

[3:29:14] Voice 4: So moved.

[3:29:15] Voice 4: Seconded by Trustee Harris.

[3:29:18] Voice 4: Any further discussion?

[3:29:21] Voice 4: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[3:29:24] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[3:29:26] Voice 4: Motion carries.

[3:29:27] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:29:29] Voice 4: And rounding out our application section, starting on page 404,

[3:29:36] Voice 4: for we have a stock report from

[3:29:40] Voice 4: Planner Belcher.

[3:29:43] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:29:46] Voice 2: Yeah, so this is a straightforward report request

[3:29:50] Voice 2: for the Salt Spring LTC to accept and designate the chair

[3:29:54] Voice 2: to sign a water treatment covenant required

[3:29:58] Voice 2: as a condition for subdivision.

[3:30:00] Voice 2: approval. This is for 150 Margolin Drive, and the subject property is a rural lot, 4.07 hectares in

[3:30:09] Voice 2: area, and it's proposed to be subdivided into two lots, subject to section 5.5.8 of the land use

[3:30:17] Voice 2: bylaw, where the water supply is provided through a groundwater well. The water quality is not

[3:30:23] Voice 2: potable, but can be made potable through ongoing water treatment as determined by an engineer.

[3:30:28] Voice 2: the applicant must grant a covenant under the Land Title Act to the Salt Spring Local Trust

[3:30:34] Voice 2: Committee requiring ongoing treatment of the water. And the applicant received a groundwater

[3:30:39] Voice 2: report which determined water quantity was sufficient, but bacteria levels were above

[3:30:44] Voice 2: the allowable values. And the report was reviewed by the Islands Trust Senior Freshwater Specialist

[3:30:51] Voice 2: and confirmed that a water treatment would water treatment covenant would be required

[3:30:58] Voice 2: so based on that information staff recommends that the salt spring local trust committee accept the

[3:31:04] Voice 2: section 219 covenant that is attached is included as attachment one to this report or file ss sub

[3:31:14] Voice 2: 2021.3 and staff recommends that the salt spring local trust committee designate the chair

[3:31:20] Voice 2: of the local trust committee to sign the covenant.

[3:31:23] Voice 2: And this will lead to the completion

[3:31:29] Voice 2: of the conditions of the subdivision.

[3:31:35] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[3:31:36] Voice 4: Is the applicant with us today?

[3:31:40] Voice 4: Is he online?

[3:31:42] Voice 2: No, I do not think he's in attendance.

[3:31:45] Voice 4: Okay, trustees, any questions?

[3:31:49] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:31:50] Voice 6: The

[3:31:51] Voice 8: only question again I have,

[3:31:52] Voice 8: i know we had this conversation before um i guess is it we because we always historically said just

[3:31:59] Voice 8: a trustee to sign because getting documents to muskinian back or moving earthen so is it

[3:32:10] Voice 8: necessary that we have to say that chair step can shake it's a community member yeah yeah

[3:32:17] Voice 8: i think that's just a reasonable thing to do some of the documents are ready to sign

[3:32:23] Voice 8: whatever trustee is available to come by the office makes a lot more sense.

[3:32:30] Voice 8: Sorry?

[3:32:31] Voice 8: A pen?

[3:32:32] Voice 8: A pen?

[3:32:33] Voice 8: Oh,

[3:32:34] Voice 9: that's ready to be signed today.

[3:32:35] Voice 9: That's a different thing.

[3:32:43] Voice 8: I don't see any particular difficulties.

[3:32:49] No

[3:32:49] Voice 8: legal restriction on that.

[3:32:52] Voice 8: Let's proceed with the motions here.

[3:32:55] Voice 8: So Mr. Chair, we just want to amend that motion to designate a member of the local trustee.

[3:33:05] Voice 8: We still need to designate a specific trustee? Or could it be a member of the local trustee?

[3:33:13] Voice 8: sorry in

[3:33:15] Voice 4: terms of signing the covenant uh the suggestion is to to allow to be

[3:33:25] a member of the ltc and do we have to designate the person or don't we just say the local that

[3:33:42] Voice 8: I'll move that Seltzmeyer on the local trust committee accept section 219

[3:33:46] Voice 8: covenant that is attachment one to this report for SSCB 2021.3. Seconded.

[3:33:56] Voice 4: Seconded. Any discussion? Not seeing any I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[3:34:02] Voice 4: In favour?

[3:34:03] Voice 17: In favour.

[3:34:04] Voice 8: Motion carries.

[3:34:06] Voice 8: I move that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee designate any member of the Local

[3:34:13] Voice 8: Trust Committee to sign the covenant.

[3:34:17] Voice 17: Seconded.

[3:34:18] Voice 17: Moved and seconded.

[3:34:19] Voice 8: Any for discussion?

[3:34:21] Voice 8: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[3:34:23] Voice 8: All those in favour?

[3:34:25] Voice 17: In favour.

[3:34:26] Voice 8: And that carries as well.

[3:34:30] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:34:30] Voice 8: So that is it for applications.

[3:34:33] Voice 8: Let us go back to the Q&A.

[3:34:35] Voice 8: section 10.4 then starting on page 128 we have a staff report on history dwelling units

[3:34:53] Voice 8: and then coming from a region that's your hotline sure i'm just catching up in the agenda here

[3:35:02] Voice 8: yes well this is uh just following up uh ldc will recall that we have a meeting at the end

[3:35:11] of june with seo

[3:35:12] Voice 8: first nation following direction to um not proceed with uh amendment bylaw number

[3:35:19] Voice 8: 537 to allow for accessory drilling units until after a meeting with the seo first nation

[3:35:24] Voice 8: hill following that meeting i did update you in july that or in june that july um

[3:35:31] Voice 8: that we would need that we have been kind of activity going on in the summer things have

[3:35:39] Voice 8: started to catch up now so we did have a conversation with staff at say out first

[3:35:45] Voice 8: nation the new word is that um following up on that meeting the sale first nation would

[3:35:50] Voice 8: appreciate if we would send a referral to them of bylaw 537 so this report um bylaw 537 currently

[3:35:59] Voice 8: currently has been read three times.

[3:36:01] Voice 8: Essentially it's not really open to amendment at this point.

[3:36:04] Voice 8: So what the recommendation here is that

[3:36:07] Voice 8: the by-law be rescinded,

[3:36:09] Voice 8: the third reading of the by-law be rescinded,

[3:36:10] Voice 8: and that the application be referred

[3:36:13] Voice 8: to, say, out First Nation for review and comment.

[3:36:18] Voice 3: I will add

[3:36:19] Voice 3: to this, when I wrote this report,

[3:36:21] Voice 3: I suggested that we would report back

[3:36:24] Voice 3: following the 60-day referral period.

[3:36:26] Voice 8: period. In conversation yesterday, the preference was raised that this bylaw not advance until

[3:36:37] after the planning court was underway.

[3:36:41] Voice 8: We were talking about this at a meeting with

[3:36:43] Voice 8: the staff yesterday, which was representative, about the possibility of organizing that feast.

[3:36:50] Voice 8: That's an ongoing work that we're working to schedule that. We don't have a solid date

[3:36:57] Voice 8: for that um you will be uh later on i believe this month about um possible availability

[3:37:05] Voice 8: but we're waiting on a few details from seo first nation so um what's been suggested here

[3:37:13] Voice 8: um for the 16 day turnaround um may not align with the wishes of um seo for patient leadership

[3:37:21] but we can really see here the recommendation still is to resist our region which can refer

[3:37:29] Voice 8: the application to say it regardless of the timeline at all okay

[3:37:39] Voice 4: uh trustees any questions

[3:37:41] Voice 4: comments

[3:37:42] Voice 10: yeah

[3:37:44] Voice 17: so sorry um trustee patrick can go ahead

[3:37:47] Voice 6: go ahead yeah

[3:37:53] Voice 8: i know we're working

[3:37:54] Voice 8: hard on our communications

[3:37:56] Voice 8: as soon as we're going to improve reconciliation.

[3:38:00] Voice 8: A lot of this could have been avoided

[3:38:03] Voice 8: if we had communications from the beginning.

[3:38:05] Voice 8: We had delayed by law 530

[3:38:07] Voice 8: to wait respectfully for their elections.

[3:38:10] Voice 8: We never told them that.

[3:38:14] Voice 8: We had reduced from bylaw 530 to this bylaw

[3:38:19] Voice 8: and to respond in part to comments

[3:38:24] Voice 8: that they provided during the referral on bylaw 530,

[3:38:26] Voice 8: but we never told them that.

[3:38:29] Voice 8: um they received documentation from you know organizations lawyers saying that you know this

[3:38:38] Voice 8: bylaws you know vehemently violating you know the ocp and but we never had any conversations

[3:38:44] Voice 8: with them to let me know that's not in fact this one did meet the ocp i've since learned

[3:38:50] Voice 9: subsequently

[3:38:51] Voice 8: there was a developer on the island that went and told say oh my gosh no you can't

[3:38:56] Voice 8: have accessory rolling units. We want 12 units down over. So they've been getting an earful

[3:39:02] Voice 8: from everybody but us. And, you know, I can understand why they're frustrated and confused

[3:39:09] Voice 8: and think, you know, don't trust us because we haven't communicated when our actions have

[3:39:16] Voice 8: actually been respectful, but we have not been able to tell them that. So it's frustrating

[3:39:29] Voice 8: where we are, and we're now backing into the OCP, where, you know, is this the conversation

[3:39:41] Voice 8: we want to be having anymore, or a different conversation, and so, and, you know, the feast,

[3:39:54] Voice 8: the original feast that was envisioned was for all First Nations that had, you know,

[3:39:59] Voice 8: interests on Salt Spring. We still have that outlined to work with all the other nations. So

[3:40:07] Voice 8: I'm just somewhat concerned with how we move forward, you know, that we have to work forward

[3:40:17] Voice 8: together with the First Nations, but we also have to be able to make decisions at this table. And so

[3:40:23] Voice 8: it's it's challenging um i might be able to provide some some clarity here so um the discussion of the

[3:40:33] peace um has evolved over the last

[3:40:36] Voice 8: 13 14 months here um but it you know just yesterday so i had

[3:40:43] Voice 8: a meeting with sam staff and with our with our senior general relations advisor joe elliott

[3:40:49] um as well as um the conversation that we have really focused on the intention of the

[3:40:57] of what it's you know i think it's really clear to me and this is my understanding

[3:41:09] but um what was conveyed to me that the intention of a piece is for a memorial

[3:41:14] memorial, or reconciliation.

[3:41:18] So the intention of the people coming together

[3:41:21] is the intention.

[3:41:22] Voice 8: It's sort of a ..

[3:41:27] Voice 8: So the frustration that you're expressing,

[3:41:30] Voice 8: I think, are very much valid in that the whole intention

[3:41:36] Voice 8: is driving towards addressing that and moving forward

[3:41:40] Voice 8: from that point and moving forward, of course.

[3:41:43] Voice 8: And that

[3:41:44] Voice 3: way it really

[3:41:45] Voice 8: is, you know, an island's trust or Salisbury to say out engagement, right, that relationship building and reconciliation, that's kind of the ground, that's the perspective I was receiving yesterday.

[3:41:59] Voice 8: And so the notion that, you know, because of the triggering event for this, the concern

[3:42:06] of communication challenges that you've indicated, I think that that's really

[3:42:11] Voice 8: where the motivation

[3:42:13] Voice 8: to say, you know, it might be best to wait until after that.

[3:42:18] Voice 8: Early dates on timing are, if we go fast, November, if it's going to be longer, it's

[3:42:23] Voice 8: probably in mid-January, the late January, so those are the kind of timelines we're looking

[3:42:27] Voice 8: at.

[3:42:30] Voice 8: I can say that it may not be exactly what you want in terms of timing, but it is definitely

[3:42:39] Voice 8: a very constructive path given the wider workload that we're facing and the commitment that

[3:42:46] Voice 8: we're hoping to get from a part like SAIL's work position.

[3:42:51] Voice 8: I'll just add one thing that came to my mind with the impression that SAIL was intending

[3:43:01] Voice 8: think we might um as well so i didn't get the impression that it was intended to be

[3:43:11] Voice 8: exclusively sailed and that conversation would be worth having at the level i don't tip down with

[3:43:24] Voice 8: the leadership of state approximation as it goes with the staff and representation

[3:43:29] Voice 8: that may be

[3:43:31] Voice 6: part of the

[3:43:31] Voice 6: thank you

[3:43:42] Voice 17: yeah this you know this is such a shame um it's um it hurts like i i don't even know

[3:43:56] Voice 17: you know where to really start from here like it's it there was a crisis prior to the last

[3:44:05] Voice 17: election for the islands you know for the you know um the last term when we were i was on the

[3:44:11] Voice 17: the stage for you know the all candidates meeting the crisis was before then it's almost two years

[3:44:16] Voice 17: ago and we're sitting here like heads should be hung in shame i could go on and on and you know

[3:44:28] Voice 17: really what we should do is go back to previous meetings again we just amended you know took part

[3:44:34] Voice 17: in helping to amend the ocp today for something else well we could still do that i would like to

[3:44:42] Voice 17: see 537 defeated we could defeat it today and open up 530 in its entirety and and and start

[3:44:54] Voice 17: the amendments of the ocp we could make those motions today like that can be done there's more

[3:45:00] Voice 17: than a crisis we heard trustee patrick and mr chair speak this morning in her opening comments

[3:45:06] Voice 17: about you know all of a sudden realizing that there's a crisis but i heard that trustee harris

[3:45:15] Voice 18: what could you stick to the issues and that

[3:45:18] Voice 17: is the issue how is that not the issue

[3:45:23] Voice 18: that's not

[3:45:24] Voice 17: it's not i'm saying i heard her speak about that this morning i heard her

[3:45:28] Voice 17: should she not say that

[3:45:30] Voice 18: trustee harris to stick to the issues please

[3:45:32] Voice 17: this is the issue

[3:45:34] Voice 17: i'm saying we should defeat this i i take great offense mr chair do you trying to stifle what

[3:45:40] Voice 17: i'm trying to say i don't

[3:45:42] Voice 18: care it's a

[3:45:43] Voice 18: huge attack no no

[3:45:45] Voice 17: it's an attack you guys have been both

[3:45:47] Voice 17: attacking this whole term i wasn't i wasn't putting her down with what i was saying just there

[3:45:53] Voice 17: i was saying what she had said earlier it's not right what's going on here the whole public sees

[3:46:01] Voice 17: it and the special interest groups and the eco-radicals support it and people that support

[3:46:06] Voice 17: report me do not trustee

[3:46:08] Voice 18: harris can i ask you to get back to the point that we're discussing today

[3:46:11] Voice 17: you threw it off topic not me we

[3:46:17] Voice 4: have some staff

[3:46:18] Voice 17: my point is my point is that i want to see this

[3:46:21] Voice 17: defeated that's what i would i'd be happy to make the motion i'm completely speaking to the point

[3:46:32] Voice 17: i take great offense to being interrupted okay

[3:46:35] Voice 18: you know what i think the community is in crisis

[3:46:37] Voice 17: the community

[3:46:38] Voice 18: the community

[3:46:41] Voice 17: is in crisis this what I'm speaking about what we're

[3:46:45] Voice 17: talking about right now this I'm talking do you mind I do mine

[3:46:50] Voice 17: and I'm gonna I'm

[3:46:51] Voice 18: gonna insist that we have a recess so you can calm down and we get back to the

[3:46:54] Voice 18: issue at hand here

[3:46:55] Voice 17: I'm calm enough

[3:46:56] Voice 17: Call 10

[3:46:57] Voice 18: -minute recess and come back at 1.35.

[3:47:02] Voice 18: Inappropriate, sir.

[3:47:03] Voice 10: Language, sir.

[3:47:11] Voice 6: 10-minute recess, please.

[3:56:34] Voice 6: Okay,

[3:56:35] Voice 4: let us return.

[3:56:43] Voice 8: Recommendations in front of us.

[3:56:44] Voice 4: Justice Patrick.

[3:56:48] Voice 8: I will let the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee rescind the reading of Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 537 cited in Salt Spring Island

[3:56:56] Voice 6: Land

[3:56:57] Voice 8: Use Bylaw No. 355-1999,

[3:57:01] Voice 8: amendment bylaw number two 2023 as presented in attachment one with regional planning manager

[3:57:07] Voice 8: september 12 2024 report so moved i will second the motion

[3:57:16] Voice 8: discussion

[3:57:18] Voice 6: and

[3:57:25] Voice 8: i'm not seeing any

[3:57:27] Voice 8: discussion i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed see any opposed

[3:57:39] Voice 8: motion carries

[3:57:39] Voice 18: i

[3:57:41] Voice 8: move that the salt

[3:57:42] Voice 18: spring island local trust committee request

[3:57:43] Voice 8: staff to refer salt spring

[3:57:45] Voice 8: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee,

[3:57:47] Voice 8: bylaw number 537, cited the Salt Spring Island

[3:57:50] Voice 8: land use bylaw number 355, 1999,

[3:57:53] Voice 8: amendment bylaw number 2, 2023,

[3:57:56] Voice 8: as presented in attachment one

[3:57:58] Voice 8: of the regional planning manager's September 12, 2024 report,

[3:58:02] Voice 8: the sale of First Nation for review and comment.

[3:58:08] Voice 8: Okay,

[3:58:09] Voice 6: and-

[3:58:13] Voice 8: Sorry, just to clarify, Mr. Chair,

[3:58:15] Voice 8: we are going to amoeba for a period of 68

[3:58:18] Voice 8: we're gonna we're gonna hold off on that 60 days okay yeah no that gives leeway instead of putting

[3:58:25] Voice 8: a deadline on yes i appreciate that okay moved i'll second that uh discussion

[3:58:34] Voice 17: yes i have lots

[3:58:35] Voice 17: to say uh yes

[3:58:38] Voice 18: on motion please

[3:58:39] Voice 17: uh i'm opposed and i wasn't able to speak about the um the the um

[3:58:46] Voice 17: the matter at hand i was interrupted i think you're out of order with that um i'm adamantly

[3:58:53] Voice 17: opposed to this i'll leave it there okay thank

[3:58:58] Voice 4: you for that uh

[3:59:00] Voice 8: there's no further discussion

[3:59:03] Voice 8: i'll call the question all those in favor and any opposed yes

[3:59:09] Voice 17: i'm opposed and could it please

[3:59:11] Voice 17: be noted i was opposed to the previous motion as well i could be noted as well okay

[3:59:18] Voice 4: and motion

[3:59:19] Voice 4: motion carries and any anything further on this today no bro okay so let's circle back to 10.2

[3:59:36] Voice 4: um the proposed motion regarding the presentation from North Salt Spring Water District sure I

[3:59:47] Voice 8: move that the Salt Spring Island local trust committee request staff to work with and support

[3:59:52] Voice 8: water and wastewater infrastructure service agencies to seek opportunities

[3:59:57] Voice 8: to develop appropriate

[4:00:00] Voice 8: policies that prioritize connections for housing that matches community values and needs so moved

[4:00:10] Voice 8: i'll second the motion discussion trust the project just to follow the conversation that

[4:00:19] Voice 8: we were having earlier today and mark boyce was here for his presentation that this just helps us

[4:00:24] Voice 8: align with the not just the water but also the wastewater work to make sure it's being

[4:00:31] Voice 8: prioritized to the housing that we need thank you uh any further discussion on the motion

[4:00:41] Voice 4: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed

[4:00:49] Voice 6: motion carries and

[4:00:56] Voice 8: then okay then let's move to 10.5 rainbow throat housing agreement appeal

[4:01:05] Voice 8: repeal bylaws on page 143 and

[4:01:12] Voice 4: that's coming to us from Planner Bakken hello

[4:01:17] Voice 13: again Mr chair and

[4:01:18] Voice 13: trustees I'll try to keep this brief uh staff bring forward a draft housing agreement repeal

[4:01:22] Voice 13: bylaw cited as bylaw 540 to start the process in repealing the current housing agreement bylaw

[4:01:27] Voice 13: number 447. this file should be familiar to LTC where in 2023 it was moved to remove the notice

[4:01:33] Voice 13: on title for the housing agreement, while on July 11th this year, LTC provided direction to move

[4:01:39] Voice 13: forward with the repeal process for the housing agreement bylaw. The subject property is being

[4:01:44] Voice 13: sold under foreclosure, triggering the requirement to repeal the existing bylaw. If repealed, the

[4:01:49] Voice 13: property would maintain the permitted rural uses, with the possibility preserved of a future

[4:01:54] Voice 13: affordable housing proposal and housing agreement if the new purchasers decide to take this route.

[4:01:58] Voice 13: As any repeal process goes, it must follow the same process as to how the original bylaw was

[4:02:03] Voice 13: adopted uh with this in mind staff recommend that ltc provide first and second reading for the

[4:02:07] Voice 13: proposed bylaw number 540. if this direction is taken staff will return at a future meeting for

[4:02:12] Voice 13: the third reading and seek direction to forward the draft bylaws draft bylaw to executive executive

[4:02:17] Voice 13: committee for approval i believe the applicant is away today but i'm happy to answer any questions

[4:02:22] Voice 13: if you have any thank you

[4:02:24] Voice 8: planner buck and trustees any questions

[4:02:27] Voice 8: no i think we've met

[4:02:30] Voice 8: for them over in tober and this is just the final step so i have nothing i'll i'll move

[4:02:37] Voice 8: that the salt spring island local trust committee housing agreement repeal move that salt spring

[4:02:46] Voice 8: island local trust committee housing agreement repeal bylaw number 540 cited and salt spring

[4:02:54] Voice 8: island local trust committee bylaw number 540 we've read the first time i've never read a repeal

[4:03:00] Voice 8: by law before so that surprised me comes off sounding a little yeah a little longer uh moved

[4:03:06] Voice 8: i'll second that uh discussion i will just comment mr chair we did have to check with our with the

[4:03:15] Voice 8: director of legislative services on the nature of a repealed bylaw so that would do on our part as

[4:03:20] Voice 8: well okay he's all around okay

[4:03:23] Voice 3: thank you uh not seeing any discussion i'll call the question all

[4:03:29] Voice 3: those in favor and

[4:03:32] Voice 4: any opposed none opposed the motion carries well

[4:03:41] Voice 8: i move that the salt

[4:03:42] Voice 8: spring island local trust committee housing agreement repeal bylaw number 540 cited as

[4:03:47] Voice 8: salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number 540 read a second time so moved i'll second

[4:03:56] Voice 8: the motion uh any discussion

[4:03:58] Voice 4: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed

[4:04:08] Voice 4: not seeing any opposed motion carries and

[4:04:17] Voice 8: so let's move then to section 14

[4:04:24] Voice 8: uh staff reports not available because i know trustee patrick wanted to speak to it

[4:04:30] Voice 8: i just had a couple of questions under under this i know the staff

[4:04:35] Voice 9: are out to tender for

[4:04:36] Voice 9: the housing needs assessment uh following the methodology that the province has

[4:04:46] Voice 8: implemented. And if you need a PhD in statistics and something else to understand all what they've got in there. But my only concern is that, you know, we've got

[4:04:59] Voice 8: all this work that's been done with communities, there's other things, but, you know, are we getting the data that we need?

[4:05:07] Voice 8: I know we had the gap assessment done for the regional planning committee back in early

[4:05:12] Voice 8: 2023 that did talk about some of the additional supplemental data that might be useful in

[4:05:18] Voice 9: determining rental numbers and other things.

[4:05:21] Voice 9: So I wanted to ask staff to just evaluate if it should be supplemented and if they think

[4:05:32] Voice 9: it could be or should be then how do we pay for that um um so i think it's just an opportunity

[4:05:39] Voice 9: that we should look at i think salt spring is complicated the biggest island and you know i'm

[4:05:44] Voice 9: glad we're doing it efficiently so so many good stories here what's happening

[4:05:49] Voice 8: but um you know if

[4:05:51] Voice 8: there's you want to make sure also the housing needs assessment is going to be a major piece

[4:05:56] Voice 8: piece that people are going to use for supporting what kind of housing we're going for. And I want

[4:06:03] Voice 8: to make sure we're not just flying, you know, growth of vacation homes that we are truly

[4:06:08] Voice 8: responding to the growth of the type of housing that we really, really need. So I do have a draft

[4:06:17] Voice 8: motion. I'm prepared to read and I'm open to staff correcting it if it's not clear enough. But

[4:06:26] Voice 8: But I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:06:28] Voice 8: request staff to evaluate

[4:06:30] Voice 8: if the provincial housing needs assessment methodology

[4:06:34] Voice 8: should be supplemented

[4:06:35] Voice 9: to improve the usefulness

[4:06:37] Voice 9: of housing needs assessment being prepared

[4:06:39] Voice 9: for Salt Spring Island under the trust council project.

[4:06:43] Voice 9: And if

[4:06:44] Voice 8: supplemented data is recommended,

[4:06:46] Voice 8: consider sources of resources or consider resources.

[4:06:51] Voice 8: Sources, sources of resources.

[4:07:03] Voice 8: Yeah, whatever makes sense. But it's like, where would the money come from? If we think

[4:07:10] Voice 8: we should support it? Oh, Stephanie's thinking deeply. We're sleeping.

[4:07:22] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, just identifying resources.

[4:07:25] Voice 8: Okay, identify resources needs. That sounds much better English. Thank you, Stefan.

[4:07:36] Voice 8: Just a little bit of comment. We, you know, just a reminder that Trust Council approved

[4:07:41] Voice 8: that housing needs report project we are half or we're very close receiving and evaluating that

[4:07:50] Voice 8: those proposals won't have a better idea in terms of the value between opposed versus what trust

[4:07:59] Voice 8: council has approved via this plan um my guess early guess is that there's a little bit of

[4:08:06] Voice 8: wiggle room there. So that may be a potential source of some further research. And so this may

[4:08:13] Voice 8: be this resolution should be fed up to the BC Interest Council. So that might be a December

[4:08:20] Voice 8: type resolution. In the meantime, I know that we're ongoing discussions with CRD staff about

[4:08:27] Voice 8: the same thing about the housing needs, the rural housing needs, actions they're doing,

[4:08:34] Voice 8: and looking at that sort of missing qualitative data and so on and so forth so we're actively

[4:08:40] Voice 8: working with what justine we're going to have a meeting this week that's canceled next week

[4:08:46] Voice 8: so we're right in play currently with exactly so what i'm trying to say is that staff are

[4:08:52] Voice 8: asking ourselves that if this process of securing the service contract has been included we find

[4:09:00] Voice 8: that there without the gap right between the quantitative and qualitative if there's room

[4:09:07] Voice 8: in the budget then i think that's when they'll return to trust council that's for their endorsement

[4:09:12] Voice 8: to spend if there's any remaining funds i would anticipate that happens via the engagement that

[4:09:19] Voice 8: finals trust crd staff are having in the prison and i think they'll be able to contribute some

[4:09:24] Voice 8: funds too so it's an active partnership we're working on we're trying to tighten that up as

[4:09:29] Voice 8: much as we can but welcome that resolution just thought i'd share that for like a second

[4:09:43] Voice 8: just looking at said identify resources what was the

[4:09:48] Voice 8: thought there was a winner word there oh uh just identifying resource teams

[4:09:55] Voice 8: okay so let's hear the motion then

[4:10:11] Voice 7: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to evaluate if the provincial housing needs assessment methodology should be

[4:10:19] Voice 7: supplemented to improve the usefulness of housing needs assessment being prepared for Salt Spring Island under a Trust Council project and if supplemental data is recommended to identify resource needs.

[4:10:33] Voice 8: Okay, so moved. I'll second the motion. Discussion? Trustee Patrick?

[4:10:42] Voice 8: i've been in conversation i know the work that justin starts doing at the crd we're also in

[4:10:47] Voice 8: conversation with the rural islands in and outside the island's trust that there's a growing

[4:10:54] Voice 8: frustration that the province is designing all of its housing supports and programs and legislation

[4:11:03] Voice 8: legislation and guidelines all towards cities urban environments and that you know we are um

[4:11:11] Voice 8: you know we need to speak up so i

[4:11:15] Voice 9: know ubcm is next week i know there's a whole contingent of

[4:11:18] Voice 8: us so the poor housing minister you know i think

[4:11:21] Voice 9: we're going to be well placed to uh ask some

[4:11:24] Voice 8: questions about um you know why and can they um start thinking about some of the

[4:11:30] Voice 8: that will create programs and things that are pertinent to us.

[4:11:35] Voice 8: This one size certainly does not fit all.

[4:11:40] Voice 17: Thank you, Trustee Harris.

[4:11:42] Voice 17: Thank you.

[4:11:44] Voice 17: I'm opposed to the motion for the reason that it seems to me

[4:11:47] Voice 17: this is a giant waste of time and money.

[4:11:50] Voice 17: We already know that we have a need for housing.

[4:11:53] Voice 17: We don't need an assessment.

[4:11:54] Voice 17: We knew this before the last election.

[4:11:57] Voice 17: So more stalling, more time wasting,

[4:12:01] Voice 17: more wasting of taxpayers dollars I'm opposed okay

[4:12:07] Voice 6: and any

[4:12:11] Voice 4: further discussion all right I'll

[4:12:14] Voice 4: call the question then all those in favor any opposed one opposed and

[4:12:23] Voice 8: motion carries all right

[4:12:27] Voice 8: I don't know there's there's some speaking of data I think there's um two pieces and I think

[4:12:40] Voice 8: where again on salt spring who's responsible for collecting that data and i look at particular the

[4:12:49] Voice 8: people that are experiencing unsheltered homelessness on salt spring shelter spaces

[4:12:57] Voice 8: and supportive housing and um you know

[4:13:02] Voice 6: who's the lead agency i know that's not us but

[4:13:09] Voice 8: who is it

[4:13:09] Voice 8: who is responsible for um a government agency not the service provider that's providing it but who's

[4:13:18] Voice 8: the government agency that's that should have all data i guess it's a soft break but the most

[4:13:23] Voice 8: community that is in the non-profit sector um but the identification of those other members

[4:13:31] Voice 8: they're sort of statistically generated um hard to get solid numbers it's an ever moving number

[4:13:40] Voice 8: i know it's a tough number but um i just i worry in some regard that you know we don't have a good

[4:13:46] Voice 8: source here on salt spring and um you know the work that we're focusing on you know is primarily

[4:13:54] Voice 8: workforce housing but we also have this very important piece and it's our students in progress

[4:14:01] Voice 8: no progress um so i'll set that aside for now but the other one that i think is more important is

[4:14:08] Voice 8: is the economic data, which I suspect is the CRE or the LCC

[4:14:13] Voice 8: in their economic development capacities,

[4:14:21] Voice 8: is understanding more of the impact

[4:14:26] Voice 8: that the lack of housing is having.

[4:14:30] Voice 8: Is it equal across all sectors?

[4:14:32] Voice 8: Are there some sectors that are being more harmed than others

[4:14:36] Voice 8: because of the access to um housing um and i can either just politically go to that advocacy if

[4:14:45] Voice 8: that's fine um is that something we should be having that data on the island and understand

[4:14:54] Voice 8: sort of where um because i think that helps people understand it better as well um

[4:15:07] Voice 8: The hospital is open, the hospital is closed.

[4:15:10] Voice 8: The school, there's a school of enough teachers.

[4:15:13] Voice 8: We're not getting that information shared publicly.

[4:15:16] Voice 8: And I think it's to our advantage

[4:15:18] Voice 8: to have that kind of data so that as we talk

[4:15:22] Voice 8: about providing housing options,

[4:15:24] Voice 8: that this isn't just made up information,

[4:15:28] Voice 8: it's based on some data.

[4:15:30] Voice 8: So I don't know if we want to,

[4:15:32] Voice 8: to, again, I can either advocate to the LCC personally

[4:15:37] Voice 8: for them to take an interest in this information,

[4:15:39] Voice 8: or do we want to send them a motion to do so?

[4:15:50] Voice 8: It may, Mr. Chair, the discussion raises conversation

[4:15:56] Voice 8: around how the next agenda or the next meeting

[4:16:00] Voice 8: between LCC and LCC should be formed

[4:16:04] and what topics serve of importance.

[4:16:07] so there's some carry forward from the previous meeting

[4:16:09] Voice 8: but um i think both parties have

[4:16:13] Voice 8: acknowledged there are other topic areas that they'd like to engage on um some type of response

[4:16:18] Voice 8: to the strategic planning and they don't know if that's a possibility to sort of ask these

[4:16:25] Voice 8: questions for the lcc um but

[4:16:29] Voice 3: i will say

[4:16:29] Voice 8: i mean i'll repeat that you can you can look at larger

[4:16:34] Voice 8: of communities in close proximity in the california areas and these are these questions are done at

[4:16:44] Voice 8: large round tables and social services and governments in our state and sharing stories

[4:16:49] Voice 8: but not really getting to any solid numbers um just an acknowledgement of the size of the problem

[4:16:55] Voice 8: but those are really the only those are the ways even the economics and economic sectors i found

[4:17:01] that has been through

[4:17:02] Voice 8: storytelling like if you're working with youth for example that are struggling

[4:17:07] Voice 8: with housing um you know you see documentaries or videos those are the kinds of things that kind of

[4:17:12] Voice 8: tend to illustrate that but as far as hard numbers that scientists don't want to take away

[4:17:19] Voice 8: i think we might go back to the qualitative aspects of this discussion no i understand

[4:17:25] Voice 8: it's probably always been the qualitative but i don't think i don't think anyone's even attempting

[4:17:29] Voice 8: you'd like that data

[4:17:30] Voice 7: on salt spring

[4:17:31] Voice 8: um the economic data and that should be they've got

[4:17:33] Voice 8: the economic service and so okay we can wait and

[4:17:36] Voice 8: add that to it because i think it is information

[4:17:38] Voice 8: that would be more useful and help them direct on what does economic development all right my

[4:17:44] Voice 8: final thing is um at our regional planning committee meeting last week um um i said that

[4:17:53] Voice 8: that work is being done on suitable land analysis here on salt spring that's in progress

[4:17:58] Voice 8: And that concerns me because in our OCP plan, land use by-law work plan, we said that, you

[4:18:06] Voice 8: know, that data inputs, mapping inputs for that exercise was going to be customized to

[4:18:11] Voice 8: the island and developed in a transparent and engaged manner.

[4:18:15] Voice 8: So I'm concerned that that project is going on without any transparency, engagement at

[4:18:25] Voice 8: at this table, and I don't know what the product, you know, it's just going to be a product dropped

[4:18:33] Voice 8: in our lap, so I'm concerned about that, and would like to make sure that we're postponed on that

[4:18:39] Voice 8: work until we're caught up and understand what's being done, and

[4:18:43] Voice 8: that we think that's good use of

[4:18:45] Voice 8: resources with all the data and mapping and communities

[4:18:48] Voice 9: and everything else that's coming

[4:18:50] Voice 8: in here is this a useful data point and how can we make sure that it is transparent and done in

[4:18:59] Voice 8: an engaged manner i think i feel like i've lost the clock the land the the suitable mile analysis

[4:19:07] Voice 8: well i was i wasn't i was thinking to message mr bucking about this one um to see if you want to

[4:19:13] Voice 8: speak to it um i know that we've expressed concerns about that the metrics and the way it applies uh

[4:19:21] It may be as simple as adding linear infrastructure to that model for the purposes

[4:19:29] Voice 8: of Salt Spring.

[4:19:30] Voice 8: When I say linear infrastructure, I'm talking about the wastewater, sewer, and the freshwater

[4:19:35] Voice 8: supply that we're working with, and that's really what can drive durable, sustainable

[4:19:42] Voice 8: development.

[4:19:42] Voice 8: and we need that sort of basic service to start developing sustainably right so um

[4:19:50] Voice 8: it's a reliable sort of support um service will allow us to get to that complete community

[4:19:57] Voice 8: capacity so um the integration of this it says right in the in the terms of reference for the

[4:20:06] Voice 8: complete community assessment that we expected them to transparently and accurately incorporate

[4:20:12] Voice 8: appropriate those results but that question is is reasonable I wish Mr Cameron were still here but

[4:20:18] Voice 8: this is this is our own staff it is our own staff

[4:20:25] Voice 9: is doing this work um and we just told me earlier

[4:20:30] Voice 9: that for the watershed protection stuff we don't have staff resources but our staff is off doing

[4:20:34] Voice 9: this and we didn't ask them to um so we haven't direct this body has not asked for the suitable

[4:20:41] Voice 9: land

[4:20:41] Voice 8: analysis work to be done we did ask that it be done you know as in the work plan transparently

[4:20:48] Voice 8: in an engaged manner and customize the salt spring so i'm we're we're not in the loop on what this

[4:20:55] Voice 8: suitable land analysis is other than i know the stuff we're working on but as an alternative um

[4:21:20] I

[4:21:22] Voice 9: don't even know what's being done at the Trust Council level, to be quite honest, um,

[4:21:27] Voice 9: Um,

[4:21:28] Voice 6: yeah, I'm

[4:21:38] Voice 8: sorry. I don't want to speak to what I know. Um, so the suitable land analysis has been an ongoing project reported out to the regional planning committee about the progress, but I think we've shown a demonstration of using one vendor map. I recall practically two meetings ago in February.

[4:22:00] Voice 8: Okay, so we have a methodology and it's reported up before it's just using what we have to

[4:22:11] Voice 8: sort of compare, you know, simple places to potentially build in simple consistent check.

[4:22:17] Voice 8: Just using again, you know, the transparent part is the hard part, just be making sure

[4:22:22] Voice 8: we're documenting every single step that we can use to incorporate the data that we have.

[4:22:26] Voice 8: and then as well as showing the weight variable table that goes along with it so yeah the final

[4:22:32] Voice 8: product looks like one match one image which is a histogram you know sort of green protect red

[4:22:37] Voice 8: develop you should never use red in that that's another here or there but uh nonetheless so we

[4:22:44] Voice 8: have an example of that that we were working on and it was prioritized to uh share the information

[4:22:51] Voice 8: integration with LTCs that are working closely together.

[4:22:55] Voice 8: They were all using that.

[4:22:58] Voice 8: Tender was using that, or Maine was going to use that.

[4:23:01] Voice 8: I think Maine's actually already applied it

[4:23:03] Voice 8: to some of their suitable analysis

[4:23:05] Voice 8: in terms of increasing density.

[4:23:10] Voice 8: So I have seen a test of the salt spring data,

[4:23:13] Voice 8: but only saw it in layers, not as an integrated map,

[4:23:17] Voice 8: if that makes sense.

[4:23:18] Voice 8: See what each layer was,

[4:23:19] Voice 8: but I couldn't make them talk to each other.

[4:23:23] Voice 8: So that information is out there, but it hasn't been presented because staff haven't really

[4:23:29] Voice 8: got it to a presentable state.

[4:23:32] Voice 8: And so with that presentable state, it would bring into the LPC4 discussion what you'd

[4:23:36] Voice 8: like to do with it, and all the variables and the kind of.

[4:23:40] Voice 8: Now I hear what your previous resolution was that you'd like to sort of custom make it,

[4:23:45] Voice 8: and that was the intent first was to create a baseline map that staff can work with before

[4:23:50] Voice 8: or we customize, right?

[4:23:51] Voice 8: You can't build a custom .

[4:23:54] Voice 8: So we, that's what we've done.

[4:23:57] Voice 8: And it's being sort of test drive on other LDCs

[4:24:00] Voice 8: because Salt Spring said,

[4:24:01] Voice 8: we don't really want this until we know what to do with it.

[4:24:04] Voice 8: In the meantime, my understanding was

[4:24:06] Voice 8: whatever data we had available,

[4:24:09] Voice 8: because it's all data available

[4:24:10] Voice 8: that's being crunched into your complete communities,

[4:24:14] Voice 8: all the information being fed to them.

[4:24:16] Voice 8: And again, they're deliverables

[4:24:19] Voice 8: meant to be transparent, et cetera.

[4:24:20] Voice 8: So I don't think there's any hiding or anything that's happening that's not going to come out in the open lines, but staff are just really working on this.

[4:24:30] Voice 8: That is the point, because the regional planning committee, we had a demonstration, but the toolkit just had a blank for suitability analysis.

[4:24:42] Voice 8: There was no methodology other than a presentation.

[4:24:46] Voice 8: So I think we're just getting ahead of ourselves and what is a suitable land analysis and it can mean lots of things to lots of people. It's my concern.

[4:24:57] Voice 8: And that was one of the reasons why we added to the work plan that it be customized and transparently engaged that people need to be involved.

[4:25:06] Voice 8: And I still fear there's gonna be a map dropped in front of us. And then what do you think?

[4:25:11] Voice 8: um and that's my concern that you know that's not a that is not a process that has brought us to the

[4:25:18] Voice 8: you know we'll be reacting to a map that's now out in ether we'll never go away um so you know we

[4:25:26] Voice 8: need to be understanding what's coming how is it going to be valuable and you know is it the right

[4:25:32] Voice 8: good use of resources when we've had no resources for swipa for years now we're getting a simple

[4:25:38] Voice 8: the land analysis map the person who used to support you know SWPA so um that's all i'm

[4:25:45] Voice 8: concerned about is are we getting something useful and is it going to help us in our conversation

[4:25:51] Voice 8: and you know was the public brought along on this tool um so that's our concern so

[4:26:00] Voice 8: i guess we do request a report on it sort of the status and steps or um

[4:26:08] Voice 8: What would be what makes sense. I was going to say postponement until we have an approved work plan, but

[4:26:17] Voice 8: See, let it

[4:26:18] Voice 8: Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[4:26:21] Voice 8: To the chair. That's okay.

[4:26:23] Voice 8: So the method that what I thought was happening was that the regional committee would get the first full report, what it is, what it isn't.

[4:26:32] Voice 8: In the meantime, the LTCs that are welcome to it, such as Diagorola, are being fed the information as they go.

[4:26:41] Voice 8: Salt Spring has indicated we don't want it right now because you've got this other product, which is more detailed.

[4:26:46] Voice 8: You saw 57 maps, whatever it is.

[4:26:48] Voice 8: So we've kind of felled off.

[4:26:50] Voice 8: The only difference is that we're feeding the data to the complete communities.

[4:26:56] Voice 8: We're not giving them the simple line.

[4:26:59] Voice 8: We're just giving them the data that's fed into it.

[4:27:01] Voice 8: make sense. We were never asked. You're saying Salt Spring said we didn't want it right now.

[4:27:07] Voice 8: Maybe Salt Spring staff said they didn't want it right now. This body did not say

[4:27:13] Voice 8: boom or don't boom on suitability and

[4:27:15] Voice 8: analysis. We made reference

[4:27:19] Voice 8: to it. It was in the work plan

[4:27:21] Voice 8: and we just made reference in the work plan that we added words that we wanted to make sure it was

[4:27:26] Voice 8: customized and done in a transparent way so we just added that to the work plan but it's still

[4:27:32] Voice 8: there it's still being worked and it's just it hasn't worked moving forward on the other islands

[4:27:38] Voice 8: that are sort of getting into a place before we should no okay you're not selling it to me

[4:27:55] Voice 8: I think we need to be brought up to date on what's happening what's expected how does it fit

[4:28:02] Voice 8: um so is that what we need to ask so we'll need a motion to ask staff to report

[4:28:18] Voice 8: update or update us on

[4:28:20] Voice 9: suitable land analysis staff

[4:28:26] Voice 8: is a good term okay

[4:28:27] Voice 8: Okay. I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to provide an update on

[4:28:39] Voice 9: the suitable land analysis to the local trust committee.

[4:28:43] Voice 9: Okay. I'll second.

[4:28:55] Voice 8: Long before they deliver a map.

[4:29:01] Voice 8: Yes.

[4:29:02] Voice 8: Yes, I

[4:29:04] Voice 7: think that the results from the Trust Committee Request Act provide an update on the suitable land.

[4:29:20] Voice 17: Discussion?

[4:29:21] Voice 17: Yes, please.

[4:29:23] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[4:29:24] Voice 8: I

[4:29:24] Voice 17: don't really understand the motion.

[4:29:28] Voice 17: You know, I'm opposed to this.

[4:29:30] Voice 17: I think that, you know, the market can clearly take note of what land is suitable and isn't suitable.

[4:29:37] Voice 17: and uh i i and we already have um developmental permit areas and blah blah blah on and on it goes

[4:29:44] Voice 17: um i'm not sure i see the use in this exercise um i'm afraid it's a again another uh misuse

[4:29:53] Voice 17: i feel of staff time and tax dollars for that i'm opposed

[4:30:01] Voice 9: Trustee Harris that's the purpose of this motion is to ask staff what they're doing um we haven't

[4:30:08] Voice 9: you know that you know because this is happening and we didn't request it so that's that's the

[4:30:13] Voice 9: purpose of this motion is to ask staff to update us on what's going on I

[4:30:22] Voice 17: I do we even need an

[4:30:24] Voice 17: update like if there's maybe it should be another motion to stop whatever they're doing and you know

[4:30:30] Voice 17: this this doesn't make any sense to me mr

[4:30:36] Voice 8: patrick i i might agree with you but i think this way they

[4:30:40] Voice 8: can tell us what they've done and then we can decide once they report to us on it okay we

[4:30:54] Voice 3: have a motion on the floor anything further on the motion oh i think i did

[4:31:00] Voice 6: okay i'm pretty sure

[4:31:02] Voice 6: i did i'm

[4:31:07] Voice 8: not seeing any further discussion so call the question all those in favor any post

[4:31:16] Voice 8: one of those motion carries anything further on this section i think i'm exhausted there

[4:31:26] Voice 8: okay uh let's move on to we've got three items in the new under new business

[4:31:32] Voice 4: um the first one

[4:31:37] Voice 4: is uh a motion

[4:31:40] Voice 8: to propose a standing resolution around uh funding uh travel expenses for trustees

[4:31:46] this is to help out with the accounting folks

[4:31:51] Voice 8: at head office and so that we're not in a position of

[4:31:57] Voice 8: needing to retroactively make motions every time we meet with the LCC or the authorizations etc.

[4:32:05] Voice 8: Did you have anything to add?

[4:32:07] Voice 8: Staff can report back on that. I don't have anything today.

[4:32:09] Voice 8: I can look into it. If you're a question, I'm looking to the possibility of patching

[4:32:18] Voice 8: forward projects to ensure that travel is a consideration by just providing blanket approval.

[4:32:28] Voice 8: Okay. So you want to do some work? I mean, I had the proposed wording, but if you'd like

[4:32:35] Voice 8: to...

[4:32:37] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, I think it would be prudent to check in with the finance and just ensure

[4:32:41] Voice 8: sure that the policies support this approach when it comes to

[4:32:44] Voice 8: the life of the solution. Okay, a motion to find a well for

[4:32:50] backup. Okay, I did run it by the CEO yesterday, he indicated

[4:32:55] that that she thought it was an appropriate way to approach it.

[4:32:58] Okay, but I take your, your point

[4:33:03] Voice 8: on doing your diligence.

[4:33:06] Voice 8: So that being the case, then, Mr. Chair, we're not aware that you spoke with the CAO.

[4:33:14] Voice 8: Probably who I speak to is going to check off the policy.

[4:33:17] So if they've

[4:33:20] Voice 8: indicated that it's good, then I can't really give you any better advice than that.

[4:33:25] Voice 4: Okay, I have a motion on that, so I'll read it out.

[4:33:28] Voice 4: And so

[4:33:32] Voice 3: it would be that the Salt Spring Island

[4:33:34] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee approve a standing resolution to fund travel expenses for trustees to attend joint meetings with

[4:33:41] Voice 3: the Community

[4:33:42] Voice 8: Commission, Capital Region District, and the First Nations Relationship Building Meetings.

[4:34:07] Voice 4: and then the only bit that i'm not

[4:34:11] Voice 8: clear on is whether we would need a separate motion to

[4:34:15] Voice 8: just to address this just came around the last lcc meeting um expense i would i would just

[4:34:22] Voice 8: make sure that would be approved to just come back out for that yeah just i think the only

[4:34:29] Voice 8: wording that should be there i think the approved outstanding resolution referring to approved

[4:34:35] Voice 8: approved expenses should be tied to LTC meetings and things

[4:34:43] Voice 8: that are approved with

[4:34:45] Voice 3: the LTC. Okay, meetings. Yeah.

[4:34:50] Voice 3: Exactly.

[4:34:51] Voice 8: I think that from a standing resolution side, right?

[4:34:54] Voice 3: So it ties it all up.

[4:34:56] Voice 8: Yeah. Okay, so we can't change that a

[4:35:00] Voice 8: little bit, um, joint meetings, approved

[4:35:16] Voice 4: by the LTC,

[4:35:18] Voice 8: and then with the LCC, CRD, et cetera.

[4:35:26] Voice 7: I think you would put that having been approved by the LTC.

[4:35:30] Voice 7: Okay,

[4:35:30] Voice 8: yeah, that works too. Okay, so I will move that.

[4:35:46] Voice 8: So the LPC, that's what the semicolons are for, I think so.

[4:35:55] Voice 8: Oh, and impersonation relationship billing meetings that have been approved by the LPC.

[4:36:00] Voice 8: Correct. So I think it's basically, we have a sanctioned meeting that we've called for, and expenses are automatically approved.

[4:36:09] Voice 8: For those three areas.

[4:36:11] Voice 8: areas yeah if an individual wants to go to a reconciliation building on their own we want

[4:36:18] Voice 8: expenses covered for it then we need to

[4:36:20] Voice 8: assess the resolution for that okay so this would cover

[4:36:23] Voice 8: ones where the ltc is yeah doing it okay i

[4:36:28] Voice 7: see that

[4:36:30] Voice 7: but the soul spring island trust committee

[4:36:32] Voice 7: approved a standing resolution to fund travel expenses for trustees to attend joint meetings

[4:36:38] Voice 7: with the LCC, the CRD, and First Nations Relationship Building meetings that have been approved by the LCC.

[4:36:49] Voice 6: Okay.

[4:36:51] Voice 3: I'm just going to check in, Jimmy, to Sierra, so I see your hand up.

[4:36:56] Voice 17: Yeah, I think that these should be separate.

[4:36:59] Voice 17: Because I could be clearly opposed to meeting with the LCC, but not opposed to meeting with First Nations.

[4:37:07] Voice 17: So I'm not comfortable with these being together.

[4:37:13] Voice 18: well the idea and trustee patrick put it in there is that they would only

[4:37:18] Voice 3: be meetings uh

[4:37:19] Voice 3: that the ltc has approved to have with those bodies so an individual trustee on their own

[4:37:25] Voice 3: deciding to meet with any of those bodies wouldn't be automatically approved for this motion

[4:37:34] Voice 3: in

[4:37:34] Voice 18: other words if the local trust committee makes a resolution to have a meeting then the

[4:37:40] Voice 18: travel expenses would be covered if the

[4:37:43] Voice 3: ltc does not make a motion to have that meaning then then

[4:37:47] Voice 3: they wouldn't be covered does that cover that

[4:37:54] Voice 3: for you i

[4:37:55] Voice 7: suppose okay

[4:37:56] Voice 3: uh so i move uh trustee patrick

[4:38:00] Voice 3: is seconding uh any

[4:38:04] Voice 18: further discussions i

[4:38:08] Voice 8: don't see any i'll call the question all those in favor

[4:38:11] Voice 8: and any

[4:38:15] Voice 18: opposed when opposed motion

[4:38:18] Voice 3: carries and so supplementary to that um or i guess

[4:38:23] Voice 3: the retroactive motion would be uh that the southeastern island local trust committee

[4:38:30] Voice 3: approved travel expenses

[4:38:31] Voice 4: for the chair uh

[4:38:36] Voice 8: for the august 22nd uh joint meeting with the lcc

[4:38:42] Voice 8: see seconded

[4:38:54] Voice 10: by trustee patrick

[4:38:56] Voice 4: any discussion not

[4:39:00] Voice 18: seeing any i'll call the question all those in

[4:39:02] Voice 18: favor any opposed opposed carries okay so the second item

[4:39:15] Voice 4: i have on here is the uh scheduling

[4:39:18] Voice 4: a special

[4:39:18] Voice 8: meeting before the october 10th meeting who's that you who's that yes mr chair um just

[4:39:24] Voice 8: given the the size of this agenda we weren't able to get through a number of uh fairly sensitive

[4:39:29] Voice 8: of reports i think it's um i think it's evident that you're looking for an update of the work

[4:39:34] Voice 8: program uh we have some business case issues and um we did also have to take the um project

[4:39:42] terms of reference uh for you based on the conversation we've had today around the project

[4:39:48] Voice 8: scope of services for consultants so um the the proposal was that as we weren't able to get as

[4:39:54] Voice 8: As well as, I think we're trying to sort of,

[4:39:57] Voice 8: on this budget discussion need to happen at this table.

[4:40:00] Voice 8: There had been a suggestion early on

[4:40:01] Voice 8: that there was a desire to bring trustee LTC budgets

[4:40:05] Voice 8: directly to LTCs.

[4:40:06] Voice 3: Right

[4:40:07] Voice 8: now they're just considered at FPC and trust council.

[4:40:11] Voice 8: So, but things like travel and like travel expenses,

[4:40:14] for example, and this local LTC may benefit

[4:40:19] from

[4:40:20] Voice 8: the comment of LTCs.

[4:40:21] Voice 8: So that's a conversation that we'd like

[4:40:23] Voice 8: bring back to you as well so if that's something we're getting direction to do from uh from an

[4:40:29] operational standpoint uh with that we've uh i had spoken with mr ping with the possibilities

[4:40:35] um an online meeting on october and birth it seems to be an feasible one from an operational

[4:40:43] perspective and we were just looking for um a notice to do so

[4:40:47] Voice 8: and um if that works for

[4:40:52] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:40:54] Voice 8: October 1st is a Tuesday.

[4:40:56] Voice 8: I don't have any call from trustees.

[4:41:03] Voice 4: Trustee Harris, October 1st.

[4:41:06] Voice 4: Online meeting, is that feasible for you?

[4:41:09] Voice 17: Sounds great.

[4:41:10] Voice 4: Okay.

[4:41:12] Voice 4: So would you like a resolution

[4:41:13] Voice 8: to schedule a meeting?

[4:41:16] Voice 8: Resolution to schedule a meeting on the 1st?

[4:41:23] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:41:24] Voice 8: Um, yeah, just that, um, just made a request out to schedule a meeting, an electronic special

[4:41:36] meeting, schedule an electronic special meeting on October

[4:41:40] Voice 8: 1st from 4, I'm going to say 1.30

[4:41:43] Voice 8: p.m. to discuss, uh, work plan and LTC projects.

[4:41:56] Voice 8: Do we need to, do we need to say we're going to do the code?

[4:42:01] Voice 8: You need to, for special meetings,

[4:42:03] Voice 5: I think you have to specify.

[4:42:04] Voice 5: five

[4:42:05] Voice 8: is on the agenda we

[4:42:06] Voice 6: should add that

[4:42:07] Voice 8: to there in the resolution all right yeah okay

[4:42:10] Voice 6: and uh and

[4:42:11] Voice 6: uh please

[4:42:31] Voice 7: that the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to schedule an electronic

[4:42:36] Voice 7: special meeting on october 1st 2024 at 1 30 p.m to discuss the budget work plan ltc projects and a

[4:42:45] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:42:48] Voice 8: I will move that. Seconder, Patrick,

[4:42:54] Voice 4: any discussion? Not seeing any, I'll call

[4:42:58] Voice 4: the question. All those in favor? Any opposed? Opposed? Motion carries. Okay. And then finally,

[4:43:14] Voice 4: the consideration of rescheduling the November 14th meeting or converting it to an electronic

[4:43:22] Voice 4: Toronto meeting. This is because the Galeano LTC has moved their meeting and if we don't do

[4:43:32] Voice 8: anything then it would require multiple travel status days for myself just to come to the one

[4:43:42] Voice 8: meeting. So the options that I see are starting an in-person meeting later in the day, moving the

[4:43:51] Voice 8: day or or changing that meeting to electronic um and i guess maybe i'll look to staff as far as

[4:44:02] Voice 8: uh electronic i think probably didn't create a

[4:44:05] Voice 8: lot of implications for staff but maybe you

[4:44:07] Voice 8: have some thoughts about either what moving the day or whether the time would be and i see uh mr

[4:44:12] Voice 8: pingel so to hold an electronic meeting we have to have a viewing place we will not have an office

[4:44:21] Voice 8: right we have this space rented so the only place that we will be able to view would be

[4:44:27] Voice 8: here trustees are allowed to attend electronically i understand they're

[4:44:32] Voice 8: a while maybe not all trustees that have to review that aspect of things

[4:44:36] Voice 8: having the chair attend being the only attendee electronic

[4:44:41] Voice 8: obviously presents a challenge you know to manage a meeting um so we switched to electronic it's

[4:44:51] Voice 19: still going to need to happen physically most likely in this space and so if we're physically

[4:44:58] Voice 8: in this space it might be easier to move to another place you know move to another date so

[4:45:06] Voice 8: we can all actually be physically in this space okay that said i don't know if the space is

[4:45:13] Voice 8: available but there would be alternate spaces i suppose on any day i'm sorry so so one one option

[4:45:22] Voice 8: that works in terms of travel schedule for me is a later start in the same space

[4:45:28] Voice 8: i

[4:45:29] Voice 3: think based on the ferry schedules when i was looking at the joint lcc meeting i think

[4:45:39] Voice 3: a two o'clock start is totally achievable i think that gives me the option of even not making it on

[4:45:48] Voice 3: the 11 25 and still making it here um and then the other option of course would be a separate day but

[4:45:54] Voice 3: i think it's simpler to probably move the time

[4:45:57] Voice 8: up if that works on the staff end and of course

[4:46:02] Voice 8: trustees as well but i wanted to check the staff first to see if it's feasible for you

[4:46:08] Voice 8: i don't mind if i look at my personal calendar i don't mind if you look at your personal calendar

[4:46:33] Voice 6: I

[4:46:35] Voice 8: think I can like well I couldn't stay late I couldn't stay until

[4:46:45] Voice 8: I could have an island planner and you might say we could get an island planner

[4:46:52] Voice 8: well what would be late for you like what

[4:46:56] Voice 8: would be too late I actually have to

[4:46:59] Voice 8: okay

[4:47:00] Voice 3: so you would actually be able to

[4:47:01] Voice 8: be here for sure

[4:47:04] Voice 8: okay could you attend electronically i could certainly attend electronically and i could

[4:47:10] Voice 8: certainly um okay um but i okay yeah no i'm just trying to think think of what what option causes

[4:47:27] Voice 8: the least disruption of everybody's lives without

[4:47:30] Voice 3: you know causing it

[4:47:33] Voice 8: several hundred

[4:47:35] Voice 8: dollar expenditure for one meeting yeah i think the later start is probably the best option

[4:47:44] Voice 8: impactful is that fair to say i think it's a finding another venue would probably be a lot

[4:47:49] Voice 8: more work and of course we could make a decision at the october when we do the research okay well

[4:47:59] Voice 3: that's that's why

[4:48:00] Voice 3: i said in fact we don't if you're comfortable with that i don't need a

[4:48:04] Voice 3: decision today mostly i just wanted to give a solid heads up um and just avoid unnecessary

[4:48:10] Voice 3: travel expense okay so let's let's revisit this then

[4:48:15] Voice 8: at the october meeting i think that's that's

[4:48:17] Voice 8: perfect okay thank you all um

[4:48:23] Voice 6: that

[4:48:34] Voice 8: brings us to the policy and standing resolutions missed

[4:48:39] Voice 8: on page 444 for information unless anyone has any connection around that.

[4:48:49] Voice 8: Followed by the Future Projects Report on page 453.

[4:48:54] Voice 8: Anything there?

[4:48:58] Voice 8: Mr. Chair, can I ask for a five-minute recess?

[4:49:03] Voice 8: Absolutely.

[4:49:04] Voice 8: We'll come back at...

[4:49:08] Voice 8: Let's come back at 2.35, and then it's a nice round number.

[4:50:38] Voice 6: And then you're live.

[4:50:40] Voice 6: Okay, well, we convene.

[4:50:43] Voice 8: So where are we at?

[4:50:44] Voice 8: we're at the future project report you can see anything there and then the active project list

[4:50:53] Voice 8: on page five four six one of the expense report is on page 460. trust conservancy board report

[4:51:08] Voice 8: uh page 462 and then we have a closed meeting scheduled here

[4:51:22] Voice 8: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee close this meeting to the public

[4:51:26] Voice 8: subject to Community Charter 91-F for a law enforcement issue that Council considers disclosure

[4:51:33] Voice 8: could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of

[4:51:40] Voice 8: an act that the staff can be invited to remain.

[4:51:45] Voice 8: So moved.

[4:51:52] Voice 8: Trustee Hersey seconding.

[4:51:55] Voice 17: yes thank

[4:51:56] Voice 4: you i moved and seconded uh any discussion i'm

[4:52:01] Voice 8: seeing any i'll call the

[4:52:02] Voice 8: question all in favor carries and we'll just give a couple moments for the public to

[4:52:11] Voice 8: space

[4:52:20] Voice 8: that

[4:52:21] Voice 6: still says

[4:53:01] Voice 8: locked oh yeah thank you i can unlock

[4:53:13] Voice 4: okay so we're returning from an in-camera session and uh

[4:53:18] Voice 3: we'll rise and report

[4:53:20] Voice 8: that we approved the uh in-camera minutes uh from our previous in-camera meeting

[4:53:28] Voice 4: um our next uh regular meeting of sultan local trust committee is scheduled uh for october 10th

[4:53:38] Voice 8: right here and Justice Patrick. I need to request to attend the October 10th meeting virtually

[4:53:46] Voice 8: via grandma. My priorities, I will be available to attend the meeting but I will not be on Salt

[4:53:53] Voice 8: Spring. I'd say a tentative risk for November 14th but I'm back by then. Duly noted and there's

[4:54:07] Voice 8: So there's implications within the meeting procedures by law and the way it's presently

[4:54:13] Voice 8: constituted about the number of trustees that commit and virtually, is that correct?

[4:54:18] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:54:19] Voice 17: I will, I will be,

[4:54:21] Voice 17: I don't know if it's a problem.

[4:54:23] Voice 17: I will be attending virtually as well.

[4:54:26] Voice 17: Okay.

[4:54:27] Voice 17: So that does

[4:54:29] Voice 8: become an issue.

[4:54:31] Voice 8: Is that correct, Mr. Piggle?

[4:54:32] Voice 8: Uh, that looks like it says only one person with my assumption as well.

[4:54:40] So, the meeting can be switched to virtual, there's no reason to not be at the same time.

[4:54:52] Voice 6: And

[4:55:02] Voice 8: then the only question is that since someone's staff has to be here for a physical space

[4:55:08] Voice 8: for the event.

[4:55:10] And

[4:55:12] Voice 8: that's not possible.

[4:55:15] Not that big of a deal.

[4:55:16] You also could attend remotely

[4:55:21] Voice 19: and the meeting could happen here, you know, as a viewing

[4:55:25] Voice 19: place.

[4:55:26] Voice 19: We would notify all applicants and town hall would become virtual.

[4:55:32] So anyone that wanted to speak, we would direct them to attend through the webinar.

[4:55:37] Okay.

[4:55:38] So yeah, the two trustees are available.

[4:55:41] Voice 8: My opinion is that we hold the meeting electronically, a regular meeting.

[4:55:51] okay

[4:55:53] Voice 8: use this space okay so we should probably just do that today

[4:55:58] Voice 4: then yes please um so i

[4:56:01] Voice 4: meant that the october 10th uh meeting the uh scheduled as

[4:56:12] Voice 8: electronic meeting and the

[4:56:17] Voice 8: public meeting

[4:56:18] Voice 7: place will be here at the meeting hall second floor okay

[4:56:28] Voice 8: moved and

[4:56:29] Voice 8: seconded to get us here of course you did you're awesome

[4:56:32] Voice 7: okay uh the lgc direct staff to schedule

[4:56:38] Voice 7: the october 10th 2024 regular meeting as an electronic meeting and the main place

[4:56:46] Voice 7: do we need to say that in the meeting yeah

[4:56:52] Voice 8: and

[4:56:53] Voice 7: the public

[4:56:54] Voice 8: public viewing

[4:56:56] Voice 8: Public viewing.

[4:56:58] Voice 8: Public viewing.

[4:57:00] Voice 8: Your meeting is all.

[4:57:06] Voice 8: Moved and seconded.

[4:57:08] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[4:57:12] Voice 4: Seeing any discussion, I'll call the question.

[4:57:14] Voice 4: All those in favour?

[4:57:16] Voice 4: That carries.

[4:57:18] Voice 4: And if there's nothing further, I will look for adjournment.

[4:57:21] Voice 4: Any objections?

[4:57:23] Thank you everyone.