North Pender Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, October 26, 2024

[0:25:54] Trustee Maude: It's good.

[0:25:57] Voice 10: Thank you for your comments, though, because it's fair.

[0:26:00] Voice 10: These are all,

[0:26:01] Voice 10: this

[0:26:03] Trustee Maude: is what local trust committees are supposed to do.

[0:26:06] Trustee Maude: All right. So we need to formally start the meeting.

[0:26:09] Trustee Maude: So good afternoon. Thanks for joining us today for this special meeting.

[0:26:17] Trustee Maude: I want to begin this meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to gather to see locations across the area

[0:26:22] Trustee Maude: of the Coast Salish People.

[0:26:23] Trustee Maude: I'm David Watt, elected on the main island

[0:26:25] Trustee Maude: and chair of the North Pender Local Island Trust Committee.

[0:26:29] Trustee Maude: I'm joined today by the North Pender trustees,

[0:26:31] Trustee Maude: Aaron Campbell and Dan Morrison.

[0:26:33] Trustee Maude: Together, we make up the North Pender Local Trust Committee.

[0:26:36] Trustee Maude: This meeting is being live-streamed and recorded

[0:26:38] Trustee Maude: for those who aren't able to attend in person today.

[0:26:40] Trustee Maude: The recording will be posted on the Island Trust website

[0:26:42] Trustee Maude: in future viewing.

[0:26:43] Trustee Maude: We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:26:45] Trustee Maude: We have Brad Smith, who is your island planner,

[0:26:48] Trustee Maude: and will be taking a lot of discussions today.

[0:26:51] Trustee Maude: and we have Liesl Millard, who is our remote secretary

[0:26:56] Trustee Maude: and field master, who we very much appreciate,

[0:26:59] Trustee Maude: who's coming to us from Gabriel Island.

[0:27:01] Trustee Maude: Just to add, this meeting is an official forum

[0:27:03] Trustee Maude: for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:27:05] Trustee Maude: about land use, land matters,

[0:27:06] Trustee Maude: and discuss relevant business.

[0:27:08] Trustee Maude: I want to add this is a place of employment,

[0:27:10] Trustee Maude: despite that some staff are in their own homes,

[0:27:13] Trustee Maude: and our staff are the right to a safe

[0:27:14] Trustee Maude: and respectful workplace.

[0:27:15] Trustee Maude: So before us, we have an agenda.

[0:27:17] Trustee Maude: I don't think there's no additions or anything, so 5% will adopt that agenda.

[0:27:26] Trustee Maude: The first thing, no, that's not off the agenda, but I believe that the way we're going here

[0:27:34] Trustee Maude: is we're going to the Raptor DPA project.

[0:27:38] Trustee Maude: We're not doing minutes.

[0:27:39] Trustee Maude: Oh, we have minutes?

[0:27:40] Trustee Maude: We've got a minute.

[0:27:40] Trustee Maude: I'm going to change the minutes.

[0:27:41] Trustee Maude: Okay, change.

[0:27:42] Trustee Maude: Okay, so minutes, change.

[0:27:43] Trustee Maude: Lisa, pay attention.

[0:27:45] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:27:46] Voice 10: Okay. I have been asked to have a piece struck from the minutes around, sorry, I had it flagged

[0:27:55] Voice 10: now. Oh, here it is here. Remove. Page four. Sorry, new computer. Okay. Page four, where

[0:28:06] Voice 10: it says about, well, I can send it to you, Lisa, as well. But while not at the time of

[0:28:14] Voice 10: variance approval the landowner through their well not known at the time of variance through their

[0:28:19] Voice 10: sorry let me slow down while not known at the time of variance approval the landowner that through

[0:28:28] Voice 10: their family foundation made a significant donation to the raincoast conservation foundation

[0:28:32] Voice 10: which points to their interest to protect protection of the island i was asked to strike

[0:28:37] Voice 10: that by raincoast conservation so um i would like to strike that difficulty

[0:28:42] Trustee Maude: with that wish you did

[0:28:44] Trustee Maude: did say that yes so

[0:28:46] Trustee Maude: so it's part it's part of the public record because it was it wasn't the

[0:28:50] Trustee Maude: minutes aren't wrong the minutes are correct yes

[0:28:52] Voice 10: but it did not contribute to the decision-making

[0:28:54] Voice 10: process so they want it removed and i

[0:28:58] Trustee Maude: think we need to discuss this at the november meeting

[0:29:01] Voice 10: okay then we won't approve these and just defer them can

[0:29:04] Trustee Maude: we do that brad yeah so we'll just defer

[0:29:06] Trustee Maude: approval the minutes um that's the advice i've been given it is that we can't remove something

[0:29:11] Trustee Maude: I think if the minutes are wrong, we can correct the minutes.

[0:29:15] Trustee Maude: But you did speak those words, and they

[0:29:17] Trustee Maude: were accurately recorded.

[0:29:18] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:29:19] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:29:21] Voice 10: it's just interesting because some things are recorded

[0:29:22] Voice 10: and some things aren't.

[0:29:23] Voice 10: So what

[0:29:23] Voice 10: gets in the minutes and what doesn't,

[0:29:25] Trustee Maude: it's

[0:29:25] Voice 10: a bit of a question.

[0:29:26] Voice 10: So anyway, so let's just move it.

[0:29:28] Trustee Maude: So we're going to defer the minutes, Lisa, to the November meeting.

[0:29:32] Trustee Maude: I understood.

[0:29:33] Trustee Maude: We will seek additional advice on that.

[0:29:37] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:29:40] Trustee Maude: So now we're on the raptor's nest, correct?

[0:29:42] Trustee Maude: Correct.

[0:29:44] Trustee Maude: So, Planner Smith, if you want to start

[0:29:46] Voice 5: us through the...

[0:30:02] Voice 12: All right.

[0:30:02] Voice 14: Well, thank you, folks.

[0:30:04] Voice 5: Hello, everyone.

[0:30:06] Voice 5: So I got a little

[0:30:08] Voice 14: bit excited there.

[0:30:11] Speak

[0:30:14] Voice 14: about the work that the local trust committee is doing on their

[0:30:44] Voice 4: There's a

[0:30:45] Voice 5: shutter

[0:30:52] Voice 3: on the lens.

[0:30:55] Voice 3: Oh, there it

[0:30:57] Voice 3: goes, there it goes, there it goes.

[0:31:04] Voice 16: I hate

[0:31:05] Voice 4: being

[0:31:07] Voice 14: the tech guy it's stressful anyways thank you all uh so uh just reporting on the

[0:31:14] Voice 14: Raptor Nest development project here to start off our meeting today so I'm just going to walk

[0:31:18] Voice 14: through some slides here I'll jump out of my slide deck a little bit and look at some websites and

[0:31:24] Voice 14: some maps as other relevant material and then I think it'd be easier if I just walked through

[0:31:29] Voice 14: everything and then if you hold any of your questions you have to maybe let's see how that

[0:31:37] Voice 14: goes if you have

[0:31:38] Voice 1: a really burning

[0:31:38] Voice 14: question when we get to a spot let's see how that works okay

[0:31:44] Voice 14: any questions right off the start so just quick agenda project overview talk about the Raptor

[0:31:55] Voice 14: and Heron Nest study results the work that the consultant has done talk about the recommendations

[0:31:59] Voice 14: recommendations that the consultant has made with respect to potentially updating the OCP.

[0:32:06] Voice 14: Talk about next steps and then we'll have some time for questions and answers. Can everyone

[0:32:11] Voice 14: hear me okay? So project overview. So the current development permit area for Raptor

[0:32:19] Voice 14: Nests was adopted and made by local surveys and work of volunteers. Nest trees were mapped

[0:32:27] Voice 14: with the assistance of Islands Trust staff and now the LCC has initiated an update of that work

[0:32:35] Voice 14: in recognition that since 2008 there's been no real concerted effort to update that mapping

[0:32:44] Voice 14: layer and there's also updated provincial guidance with respect to Raptor and Heron nests

[0:32:50] Voice 14: that is also being incorporated into this work. So the scope of the work is to update

[0:32:56] Voice 14: potentially the schedule of maps with new maps and remove any nests that are no longer

[0:33:02] Voice 14: functional from the previous data set, review the associated Raptor and Heron Nest OCP provisions,

[0:33:11] Voice 14: engage in consultation, which today is part of, and to work through the legislative process

[0:33:16] Voice 14: us to have been this will be uh posted online so i'll hopefully the links will be accessible

[0:33:27] Voice 14: later on for you if you choose to do that so many of you might not know what a development permit

[0:33:31] Voice 14: area is so starting there the official community plan is the document that lays out the community's

[0:33:36] Voice 14: long-term vision and strategy for future planning and land use so the islands trust is a special

[0:33:42] Voice 14: special purpose local government that whose sole purpose

[0:33:46] Voice 14: is the land use planning function for the Gulf Islands.

[0:33:48] Voice 14: And so that's the municipal light service we provide.

[0:33:52] Voice 14: All your other services are provided

[0:33:53] Voice 14: by other ports of government.

[0:33:54] Voice 14: Just been different than a municipal government say

[0:33:57] Voice 14: where not only zoning and land use planning,

[0:34:01] Voice 14: but building permitting and all those other things

[0:34:03] Voice 14: are captured within one agency.

[0:34:06] Voice 14: So local governments have the authority

[0:34:08] Voice 14: to create the development permit areas

[0:34:11] Voice 14: through the Local Government Act.

[0:34:13] Voice 14: There's certain purposes that the Local Government Act defines

[0:34:17] Voice 14: and in this case for the protection

[0:34:20] Voice 14: of the natural environment's ecosystems

[0:34:22] Voice 14: and biological diversity.

[0:34:24] Voice 14: The OCP must describe the special conditions

[0:34:27] Voice 14: or objectives that justify the designation

[0:34:29] Voice 14: and the local government also must specify guidelines

[0:34:32] Voice 14: for how proposed development in that area

[0:34:34] Voice 14: can address the special conditions.

[0:34:35] Voice 14: And you'll see how those things are incorporated

[0:34:37] Voice 14: incorporated into the OCP provisions here in a second.

[0:34:41] Voice 14: So the North Pandora OCP includes a provision

[0:34:45] Voice 14: for the protection of habitat used by bald eagles,

[0:34:48] Voice 14: other raptors and grizzly herds for nesting and breeding.

[0:34:51] Voice 14: The general applicability is for all subdivision of land

[0:34:54] Voice 14: for construction or alteration of a structure

[0:34:57] Voice 14: within a TPA area or any other alteration of land.

[0:35:02] Voice 14: There is a pretty detailed list of exemptions that apply.

[0:35:18] Voice 5: not easy to see.

[0:35:23] Voice 14: So you have your OCP here with section sevens, your authority application

[0:35:29] Voice 14: requirements, your general applicability, which we just spoke to, a whole bunch of different

[0:35:34] Voice 14: assumptions, which I won't work through, but I just want to give you an understanding.

[0:35:37] Voice 14: but the current bylaw structure is, speaks about the designation, so that is the areas on the map that it includes,

[0:35:52] Voice 14: and then special objectives or conditions, and then specific guidelines that need to be met when developing,

[0:35:59] Voice 14: So avoiding disturbance, retaining natural habitats, all of these things that you would need a professional RP buyer or otherwise qualified environmental professional to come and assess your land and create a report that considers all of these guidelines.

[0:36:18] Voice 5: Questions yet?

[0:36:30] Voice 14: So, associated with the OCP is the schedule, the attached schedule, which shows the actual

[0:36:39] Voice 14: locations of the raptor nests. This is the existing schedule that was adopted in 2008.

[0:36:46] Voice 14: You can see the sites here with the current buffer areas. Like I said, it hasn't been

[0:36:52] Voice 14: updated since 2008. Part of the project scope is to look at and update this map.

[0:36:57] Voice 14: so getting to project deliverables uh so an engagement letter to first nations has been

[0:37:03] Voice 14: sent uh there's obviously uh the approved project charted work plan uh the raptor nest study is

[0:37:08] Voice 14: complete which i will talk to a little bit more in a minute uh sent a letter to property owners

[0:37:13] Voice 14: and some of uh that uh some of you may be uh here to uh in response to that so all property owners

[0:37:21] Voice 14: is where a nest a new or existing nest is located was sent a letter with the report and a map

[0:37:30] Voice 14: as part of our public engagement and of course we're continuing to bring information back to

[0:37:37] Voice 14: local trust committee and they're just getting started with uh potential uh bylaw amendments

[0:37:42] Voice 14: next to the LCP. So just speaking to the Raptor Nest study, so an RP Bio was contracted to

[0:37:51] Voice 14: complete the work with support from a volunteer field naturalist, both with local expertise,

[0:37:56] Voice 14: both with some knowledge and experience of the previous work that went on in the early 2000s

[0:38:03] Voice 14: and some ongoing record keeping over time in support of that work. The scope of work,

[0:38:11] Voice 14: so data collection analysis and ground truthing, provision of data points for our web mapping

[0:38:16] Voice 14: and our schedules, and then the summary report with project scope, purpose, summary analysis,

[0:38:24] Voice 14: and recommendations. So Raptor Nest study results, so the consultant provided a baseline map,

[0:38:37] Voice 14: identified 23 new nests that could potentially become development permit areas. Staff have

[0:38:44] Voice 14: done some more work since then on the mapping to do a further find a mapping which is reflected now

[0:38:52] Voice 14: in these two potential draft schedule maps. Scott we're still so the questions yet?

[0:39:02] Voice 3: 23 new

[0:39:03] Voice 14: sites have been identified yeah.

[0:39:06] Voice 10: And okay I have a question. Okay so when you say sites

[0:39:12] Voice 10: those are potential nests not always nests is that accurate because like certain features that

[0:39:19] Voice 10: like are conducive to nests versus actually having us is that accurate i

[0:39:24] Voice 14: think the study

[0:39:25] Voice 14: is mostly identifying new nests but you are correct it could also identify like a nesting

[0:39:29] Voice 14: site that doesn't necessarily have a nest on it but has the conditions to be a nesting tree or

[0:39:34] Voice 1: was a nesting

[0:39:35] Voice 14: tree previously even if it's lost as net

[0:39:37] Voice 14: but but still has some viability and structure

[0:39:44] Voice 14: there's still a lot of tree there there's still some birch areas uh so and that gives versus uh

[0:39:52] Voice 14: schooner way where that one is just completely decimated so that is right so

[0:39:57] Voice 10: so one of the

[0:39:58] Voice 10: things that i think is super interesting and like i learned way more about raptor's nest in the last

[0:40:01] Voice 10: few years than i ever knew so one of the things that i think is super interesting if you look

[0:40:06] Voice 10: into it is like there are very specific kind of trees and structures and like associated trees

[0:40:11] Voice 10: nearby that are ideal for raptors and so that's what makes them at risk because as we like

[0:40:19] Voice 10: fragment forests and we remove particular structures and forests we eliminate those

[0:40:23] Voice 10: types of structures so that's why this is important just to provide possibilities for the

[0:40:29] Voice 10: uh, for raptors. Sorry, did you have something to add to that?

[0:40:32] Voice 19: Go ahead, James.

[0:40:33] Voice 19: No, I'll, question comes to me, I don't know.

[0:40:35] Voice 19: It's not a definition, um, the development permit area.

[0:40:38] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:40:39] Voice 19: It's, um, there's a particular tree.

[0:40:43] Voice 19: That's correct.

[0:40:43] Voice 19: That's designated.

[0:40:44] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:40:44] Voice 19: Identify it.

[0:40:46] Voice 19: That's a tree.

[0:40:47] Voice 19: And there's a

[0:40:48] Voice 19: set of, associated with that tree.

[0:40:50] Voice 5: Correct.

[0:40:51] Voice 5: So

[0:40:51] Voice 19: the development permit area, uh, is associated with the tree, not with the.

[0:40:56] Voice 14: and the development

[0:40:57] Voice 14: permit area becomes that area that is associated with that particular habitat

[0:41:01] Voice 14: feature in this case the tree so

[0:41:04] Voice 10: it's the entire radius and i'll

[0:41:06] Voice 14: speak a little bit more about the

[0:41:07] Voice 14: buffer and then yeah the proposed changes is pretty significant

[0:41:11] Voice 14: changes in terms of

[0:41:16] Voice 14: yeah sounds good and

[0:41:17] Voice 16: i will talk a little bit more

[0:41:19] Voice 16: about the problems

[0:41:19] Voice 16: but one quick question on that you said you sent letters out to people that have these

[0:41:24] Voice 16: subject trees on their properties correct but because of that buffer zone i'm directly in fact

[0:41:29] Voice 16: that i have a covenant on my property they should not should they not have been sent letters well

[0:41:34] Voice 16: because it does affect uh if

[0:41:36] Voice 14: you start to extend out those buffers to every property you're sending

[0:41:40] Voice 14: hundreds of letters and so the practicality of sending hundreds of letters versus narrowing it

[0:41:45] Voice 14: down to just the particular property owners and then using forms like this to express to other

[0:41:50] Voice 14: are properties you're right there are other properties affected but it's just a

[0:41:57] Voice 14: calculation of reasonableness is what we have to to gauge and sending it would touch on so many

[0:42:05] Voice 14: properties magically so it gets it would almost get overwhelming so we're really just looking to

[0:42:12] Voice 14: speak what primarily but it was just a matter of managing process versus but but

[0:42:23] Voice 10: actually related

[0:42:24] Voice 10: to that if you're a property owner that has that situation where you have the tree and your

[0:42:29] Voice 10: neighbors have some of the buffer you should let them know because if they cut in the buffer

[0:42:33] Voice 10: technically they're cutting in an APA if this goes through oh yeah so

[0:42:37] Voice 10: yeah I

[0:42:38] Voice 14: would say as well that

[0:42:39] Voice 14: like they haven't even seen a draft bylaw yet so this is all pretty early engagement in this stage

[0:42:45] Voice 14: and the LCC could certainly direct some more broad communication yeah just

[0:42:53] Voice 19: to follow up to that so

[0:42:56] Voice 19: there will be a public hearing scheduled if this goes to bylaw yeah and

[0:43:00] Voice 19: so then at the

[0:43:01] Voice 19: so prior to public

[0:43:02] Voice 5: hearing this is

[0:43:03] Voice 19: out to affected property owners or people affected so I think at

[0:43:06] Voice 19: that point wouldn't you then send those who will be affected by this there is provisions around if

[0:43:11] Voice 14: it's more than 10 properties in a board that affects more than 10 people or something like

[0:43:15] Voice 14: that so so in this case because so many properties would be affected i think that the local government

[0:43:21] Voice 14: and actually often allow me not to do that notice but

[0:43:25] Voice 19: i feel like we

[0:43:26] Voice 14: can we can

[0:43:28] Voice 14: so we

[0:43:40] Voice 10: should think about that we'll think about the communication as we get closer to that point

[0:43:44] Voice 10: because we may want to

[0:43:45] Voice 10: I was

[0:43:50] Voice 7: just going to add when we were talking

[0:43:52] Voice 7: about the numbers of new nests and

[0:43:54] Voice 7: just the point that this also doesn't include

[0:43:57] Voice 7: any of the national park areas

[0:44:00] Voice 7: when we were doing the discussion

[0:44:03] Voice 7: on where nests had popped up and stuff

[0:44:08] Voice 7: I happen to know that there is a nest

[0:44:11] Voice 7: just right off the side of our property

[0:44:14] Voice 7: because we're bordered by a national park

[0:44:16] Voice 7: and we have nesting eagles and eaglets

[0:44:20] Voice 7: and everything every year in there.

[0:44:23] Voice 7: But you're not actually allowed to go in

[0:44:25] Voice 7: to the national park to see it.

[0:44:27] Voice 7: So this doesn't, while there's 23 new,

[0:44:32] Voice 7: it seems good and it could be even better

[0:44:35] Voice 7: given that there is so much protected national park land

[0:44:38] Voice 7: on pender and how much raptor nesting we've got going on we

[0:44:43] Voice 14: could establish those as nests and if

[0:44:45] Voice 14: the buffers touch outside of them yeah then they could potentially we were talking about one the

[0:44:52] Voice 14: one so if there are other nesting well that other yeah it's another purpose really we were talking

[0:44:58] Voice 7: about one in particular and it was sort of one of those things like yeah it's still there we're

[0:45:02] Voice 7: still active and it's not on this map

[0:45:04] Voice 14: and you know that you should point that out to me and

[0:45:08] Voice 14: we could get that too i

[0:45:09] Voice 7: i think in the discussion it was that you're not supposed to know that it's

[0:45:13] Voice 7: there and active viewers are not supposed to have walked to where the tree

[0:45:17] Voice 4: is so

[0:45:19] Voice 7: it was yeah

[0:45:22] Voice 7: that would be

[0:45:23] Voice 10: working with the products

[0:45:23] Voice 7: the the fellow from karen but yeah there's

[0:45:30] Voice 14: definitely more

[0:45:32] Voice 14: so are we good to move on yeah uh so the study recommendations so the recommendations consider

[0:45:38] Voice 14: updated provincial guidance and best practices when i'm done i'll show you a couple documents

[0:45:43] Voice 14: that i'm referring to in here rather than it's a little awkward to talk about uh so

[0:45:47] Voice 1: like i said

[0:45:47] Voice 14: there's 23 new nest sites in total and one existing site to be removed as no longer functional.

[0:45:53] Voice 14: There's also proposed amendments to OCP's designation and special conditions and

[0:45:58] Voice 14: objective sections. I'll show you those in the report in a minute just to update

[0:46:06] Voice 14: some of the language and best practices of the provincial guidelines and then there's

[0:46:11] Voice 14: specific species species specific changes to protectionary buffers which is obviously the

[0:46:17] Voice 14: most significant change for potential property owners as the buffers become larger and that

[0:46:25] Voice 14: means there's an expanded area where development may be limited or restricted through the

[0:46:34] Voice 14: the

[0:46:34] Voice 5: development permit requirements um

[0:46:39] Voice 10: can i make one comment yeah okay

[0:46:41] Voice 10: so one thing is that right

[0:46:45] Voice 10: now in columbia the world community is meeting for the biodiversity um cop and one of the big

[0:46:52] Voice 10: you know concerns is the protection of these types of spaces so that's interesting um i also feel

[0:46:58] Voice 10: like this is very this is super super helpful but if i can ask and take a moment and just ask

[0:47:04] Voice 10: like why do we care about raptors like why are the raptors important i think it's actually

[0:47:10] Voice 10: important for us to really own that because it is going to inhibit and restrict property users

[0:47:15] Voice 10: in certain places so i don't know if you want to weigh in on that at all thing or like like just

[0:47:21] Voice 10: comment like what is the beauty of raptors and like because i know that you are an expert in

[0:47:25] Voice 10: this community around that so i don't know if you if we can have a moment just to like really make

[0:47:30] Voice 10: the raptor issue real for us, that we care about it?

[0:47:36] Voice 10: I've

[0:47:37] Voice 5: been monitoring eagle nests since 2005, and it has become like a meditation for me

[0:47:46] Voice 5: to really get into the aspects of nature. Everything in nature becomes a meditation for me.

[0:47:56] Voice 5: But I

[0:47:57] Voice 19: wasn't particularly interested in eagles, but I was approached by several people who

[0:48:01] Voice 19: I didn't fall in love with them, so I did, and I found that I did fall in love with them

[0:48:07] Voice 19: to a certain extent, and it's an iconic feature that, you know, all the whales are what most

[0:48:13] Voice 19: people come to this area to actually look at.

[0:48:17] Voice 19: So, for me, it really is a spiritual experience when I'm out in nature, when I'm sitting

[0:48:22] Voice 19: in Magic Lake, or I'm sitting in a remote area watching an eagle on a nest.

[0:48:28] Voice 19: So, when we learn to love nature, we'll learn to protect it.

[0:48:34] Voice 19: That's what I thought.

[0:48:37] Voice 19: And if you don't like nature much, if you don't really understand much about nature,

[0:48:43] Voice 19: if you don't know how species live and breed, then you probably won't be very interested

[0:48:50] Voice 19: in protecting eagle nests or how you build reefs and nests on Magic Lake, which is less

[0:48:58] Voice 19: anyway it's a love affair and we have to give people a loving nature we have to get kids loving

[0:49:05] Voice 19: nature we just don't have youth anymore that may amount to little devices we've got to get them

[0:49:10] Voice 19: outdoors loving what's around here and we have a special place here on tinder i've been to all

[0:49:17] Voice 19: the gulf islands basically and i've done raptor nest studies on just about every gulf island

[0:49:23] Voice 19: and it's just really quite enjoyable

[0:49:25] Voice 19: made my life much more

[0:49:28] Voice 19: beneficial and happy

[0:49:30] Voice 15: and eagles are cool

[0:49:32] Voice 10: and the herons too

[0:49:34] Voice 10: like the heron rookery

[0:49:35] Voice 10: that's going on

[0:49:36] Voice 10: yeah

[0:49:37] Voice 15: the herons are okay too

[0:49:39] Voice 11: and

[0:49:40] Voice 10: on a total like non-trust related

[0:49:42] Voice 10: side I

[0:49:43] Voice 10: two weeks ago I actually wrote a brief

[0:49:46] Voice 10: with a group of international people on nature based

[0:49:48] Voice 10: education to actually help

[0:49:49] Voice 10: understand and lobby for more

[0:49:52] Voice 10: of this of how we just look around and be in the places we are and understand it and connect with

[0:49:57] Voice 10: it so yeah anyway i just thought that was important thank you vultures too vultures

[0:50:08] Voice 17: eagles are you you probably know this are an important part of the food chain especially

[0:50:13] Voice 17: especially around the coast, where the fish that they rock

[0:50:19] Voice 17: or the droppings that they rock, the fish,

[0:50:22] Voice 17: are very great for increasing the fertility

[0:50:26] Voice 17: around the coast, which means the forests

[0:50:28] Voice 4: and the undergrowth.

[0:50:30] Voice 17: Two kilometers in?

[0:50:31] Voice 17: Two kilometers in, yes.

[0:50:34] Voice 3: Yeah, salmon are a forest-dwelling species,

[0:50:38] Voice 3: you could say.

[0:50:39] Voice 3: We have no big trees if it wasn't for the bears

[0:50:42] Voice 3: and eaters and have been bringing the sound in to cut down trees yeah deeply interconnected

[0:50:50] Voice 3: all right

[0:50:51] Voice 5: so uh

[0:50:54] Voice 14: i'll describe these a little bit more with some maps

[0:50:57] Voice 14: we report in a second but uh so the biggest change of course is the proposed changes to the buffer

[0:51:04] Voice 14: areas reflecting uh updated prevention guidelines so the current buffer area is defined in the dpa

[0:51:10] Voice 14: is 30 to 50 meters and the language is in fact a little bit vague with respect to whether it's 30

[0:51:18] Voice 14: or 50 but for the most of the dots on the map they're 30 meters. The RP bio has a statement

[0:51:30] Voice 14: in the professional report around and they won't read it but it just speaks to the limitations of

[0:51:37] Voice 14: a single strict buffer size and that the need of you know the best management practice of

[0:51:43] Voice 14: considering not only the species but the time of year and the risk of human disturbance with

[0:51:50] Voice 14: respect to buffering and so the new guidelines are a minimum of 60 and as wide as 500 meters

[0:51:59] Voice 14: so quite a significant change i'm just going to jump to next steps here

[0:52:10] Voice 5: so

[0:52:16] Voice 14: so this is the best map we're just about these maps that are on the wall here as well

[0:52:23] Voice 14: so replacing the existing schedule map which just has the one defined buffer and more or

[0:52:30] Voice 14: less the same buffer for all species types and in all areas instead applying a range of buffers

[0:52:39] Voice 14: so you have your breeding season buffer your internal buffer and your actual point

[0:52:45] Voice 14: Depending on the type of zoning, so in Magic Lake, those buffer areas are smaller versus some of the larger lots.

[0:52:55] Voice 14: And you'll see down here where there's some heron activity, the buffers are quite large,

[0:53:00] Voice 14: where you get areas where you have a conglomeration of nests and the buffers are being created.

[0:53:06] Voice 14: So that's why you don't have, just to simplify this, you have this kind of combination of buffers here

[0:53:14] Voice 14: to make this an omelette

[0:53:16] Voice 5: just jumping to the professional report so

[0:53:28] Voice 17: consistent with the

[0:53:32] Voice 14: provincial guidelines you have recommendations from the consultant and these would become

[0:53:42] Voice 14: to the guidelines in the OCP as changes to those buffering areas that would then be also

[0:53:53] Voice 14: supported by a replaced map that changes to a map that has these new buffer guidelines.

[0:54:03] Voice 14: lines and so as those buffers increase the actual impact of potential development does increase

[0:54:16] Voice 5: questions there we're

[0:54:19] Voice 14: going to move on to next steps can

[0:54:20] Voice 10: you just say the last thing you said

[0:54:22] Voice 10: as the buffers increase the impact of development just

[0:54:25] Voice 14: the potential like effect on a property only

[0:54:29] Voice 15: uh

[0:54:30] Voice 14: increases because they're more of their area is now captured within the stone

[0:54:36] Voice 14: own thing too. Yeah. So

[0:54:39] Voice 3: if you do see what you think is an infringement, you know, to say an

[0:54:48] Voice 3: eagle's nest or something. Well, I remember there was one near us on North Tender and I think I

[0:54:54] Voice 3: must have gone through about 12 different phone calls to different people who get passing me on

[0:55:01] Voice 3: one to the other to gather in the end it was or what is it that practically the poachers and

[0:55:07] Voice 3: whatever that's not

[0:55:09] Voice 3: the advice yeah

[0:55:10] Voice 14: so bylaw enforcement would if there is an infringement

[0:55:14] Voice 14: yeah so there is an infringement to a development any kind of development permit area

[0:55:20] Voice 14: uh you could uh make a complaint with bylaw enforcement through our website is probably

[0:55:27] Voice 14: the easiest way. It can be an anonymous complaint and bylaw enforcement would follow up with that.

[0:55:41] Voice 14: How would you know if they follow up? We could create a contact link with them.

[0:55:51] Voice 3: That would be up to me, not them. I

[0:55:54] Voice 14: don't want to speak for bylaw enforcement. I don't know the exact

[0:55:58] Voice 14: or there is probably a way that they would respond to the complaint if possible but I

[0:56:03] Voice 14: thought in bylaw enforcement the starting point

[0:56:06] Voice 14: would be a complaint bylaw and

[0:56:08] Voice 10: bylaw enforcement

[0:56:09] Voice 10: we have conversations regularly as part of the LTC with bylaw enforcement that they brief us

[0:56:15] Voice 10: on different cases and where they're at because we're still dealing with many cases on this island

[0:56:19] Voice 10: related to bylaw enforcement so we can also track where it's at and sometimes we can't give you the

[0:56:25] Voice 10: details if it's an illegal comment like whatever you call it there's like a moment when it's an

[0:56:30] Voice 10: illegal whatever proceedings thank you um that sometimes we can't give details but we can tell

[0:56:37] Voice 10: you that it's still moving forward and like where it's in this process um we did have some there

[0:56:44] Voice 10: was some issue last year where there was but it wasn't in a dpa and this is the advantage of

[0:56:50] Voice 10: putting it in a dpa is that then we can do it through bylaw enforcement because it's land use

[0:56:56] Voice 10: right it's the land use around if there is no dpa then it becomes a wildlife and like then it's some

[0:57:03] Voice 10: kind of like convoluted path through the government to try and find a wildlife officer

[0:57:10] Voice 10: this is how we do it what we're doing we mapped out the sites and

[0:57:15] Voice 3: then you guys yeah

[0:57:16] Voice 10: yeah we and

[0:57:18] Voice 10: And then we draw circles and then we map it, schedule it like that.

[0:57:21] Voice 10: And then we create a bylaw that puts it into our bylaws with that.

[0:57:23] Voice 10: And I mean, we're still dealing with the last,

[0:57:26] Voice 10: the Raptors nest that got violated and, you know, the legal implications,

[0:57:29] Voice 10: but at least we have pathways that we're following through on for that.

[0:57:33] Voice 10: We would have no pathway if it wasn't a DPA around these 23 new streets.

[0:57:38] Voice 18: Mr. Chairman, can we follow the original directions,

[0:57:42] letting it through his presentation and

[0:57:46] Voice 18: have an opportunity to make statements with this

[0:57:50] Voice 18: type of procedure, extending the operation.

[0:57:57] Voice 5: I understand.

[0:57:59] Voice 14: Yeah.

[0:58:00] Voice 14: So, proposed next step, continued engagement with property owners and others potentially

[0:58:05] Voice 14: affected by changes, follow further quality assurance on the mapping and the studying

[0:58:12] Voice 14: findings including staff site visits as necessary i've already visited one site to

[0:58:18] Voice 14: reaffirm the assessment of the biologist or at least provide my opinion

[0:58:24] Voice 14: so open to that and open to us not having everything on the map correct at this point

[0:58:31] Voice 14: and then there might be other sites and there might be the data issues or you know even

[0:58:37] Voice 14: the consultant didn't have permissions to go on so you know where you can't go on lands he's not

[0:58:44] Voice 14: of course uh and so uh if you know that is the intent of those letters to proper owners to have

[0:58:51] Voice 14: those conversations now so that uh when you get to a point where you can potentially be uh approving

[0:58:57] Voice 14: a bylaw uh at least everyone has their opportunity to do so recommendations will come to the local

[0:59:04] Voice 14: trust committee including the presentation of a draft bylaw which is they've already given direction

[0:59:09] Voice 14: to staff to do as we spoke this is an ocp amendment so a public hearing would be required

[0:59:15] Voice 14: prior to reading the reading of the bylaw and statutory notifications would be required but

[0:59:23] Voice 14: as we spoke of i think in this case we would not necessarily need to send to each property

[0:59:29] Voice 14: But to confirm that I would also require the approval of the Minister of Municipal Affairs as all OCP amendments do in parts of the Isles Trust Act.

[0:59:40] Voice 14: And so with that, I will open it up to any other questions the community or the local trust committee may have. Thank you.

[0:59:47] Voice 14: Okay, so I'm

[0:59:51] Voice 5: going to respond. Thank you very much.

[0:59:55] Voice 19: I appreciate the opportunity to be here.

[1:00:00] Voice 19: quite well. And so I have a property that is directly affected. It has two designated

[1:00:08] Voice 19: evil nesting sites. And I also went through a recent hearing to have to, to enable us

[1:00:17] Voice 19: to have a building permit that encroached slightly encroached into it, if you recall,

[1:00:21] Voice 19: it was just a few months ago. So I appreciate that. So that's given me an opportunity to

[1:00:25] Voice 19: learn about this will see me and to learn about the rafters so uh so i kind of you know i don't

[1:00:33] Voice 19: report any of this underway and i do welcome it i think it's good that you are undertaking a

[1:00:37] Voice 19: review of this it's stated it's um it's 20 years old so it's time um and um you know because some

[1:00:45] Voice 19: trees as you say are no longer viable and eagles have i guess like the only way to find new trees

[1:00:52] Voice 19: put the nest in so it's good that you do review uh so the question i think you've already answered

[1:00:58] Voice 19: it brad is that decided we're blessed with two designated trees on our property one of them was

[1:01:04] Voice 19: blown down on the windstorm so that's why i asked that question but that particular tree is gone so

[1:01:08] Voice 19: i would assume that the development permit surrounding that area would be then gone so

[1:01:14] Voice 19: that's why i welcome mr view which do you mind sharing those properties yeah on this road was

[1:01:21] Voice 3: Was it the one with the big

[1:01:21] Voice 3: sort of rope that worked around?

[1:01:23] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:01:24] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:01:24] Voice 19: I think we've gone down just to one nest on the map.

[1:01:26] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:01:29] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:01:29] Voice 19: We're not, okay.

[1:01:31] Voice 19: Is it in the report?

[1:01:33] Voice 14: This is an updated map.

[1:01:36] Voice 14: So GIS stuff, I've taken some time and I think now we're down to just one nest on your,

[1:01:42] Voice 14: there are still some.

[1:01:44] Voice 6: Or attached to that.

[1:01:46] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:01:47] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:01:47] Voice 19: But as I understood, there was only one tree that was undesignated, that was a heron tree.

[1:01:52] Voice 14: Yeah, so

[1:01:53] Voice 14: I'm going to say that that report is perfect.

[1:01:55] Voice 14: It's a study that's done as fast as we go through.

[1:02:01] Voice 14: So we've done more here, if you see, so this is a more accurate map.

[1:02:04] Voice 14: It just reflects one map on that.

[1:02:08] Voice 19: I appreciate that.

[1:02:09] Voice 19: the uh so having gone through recently gone through the process and the 30 meter 15 meter

[1:02:16] Voice 19: setback and the nesting season very very which is unnecessary you can't do any construction

[1:02:21] Voice 19: which i totally agree with uh so obviously i would preserve as you mentioned the setback impacts

[1:02:29] Voice 19: a lot of properties um i see in the report one of the recommendations is that only one zoning

[1:02:34] Voice 19: is exempted but i think you know given three acre lot which is not very large it's a narrow lot

[1:02:40] Voice 19: so i don't know why it would be as that was only one zoning would have a smaller setback

[1:02:46] Voice 19: and other zonings wouldn't expect i think that's something to look at

[1:02:50] Voice 19: so there is

[1:02:52] Voice 14: in the guidance guidelines it does so so we're just actually one yeah

[1:02:58] Voice 14: so in this 2013 guideline this which is where they're consulted there are guidelines here

[1:03:02] Voice 14: on so but you're right

[1:03:03] Voice 14: i think he has made some interpretation of yeah that sounds like that so

[1:03:07] Voice 14: that so what comments would be anything you can

[1:03:12] Voice 19: provide in writing as well yeah we will yeah i

[1:03:15] Voice 19: want to do this it's just information i want to get my so so the zoning i think i'll put that

[1:03:21] Voice 19: right also that you can look at that why what so needs it okay and you know we're real but we're

[1:03:27] Voice 19: not really it's nervous we need a lot we're going

[1:03:30] Voice 19: for the house so

[1:03:31] Voice 14: the ltc could look at some areas

[1:03:34] Voice 14: areas and look at the practicalities and decide a smaller buffer or a larger buffer, they're

[1:03:41] Voice 14: not bound to what's up on the map, these are just following best management guidelines

[1:03:45] Voice 14: for the ecological.

[1:03:48] Voice 19: The list of exceptions they have, you know, we've seen them, we went through them in detail.

[1:03:55] Voice 19: And I think they're good.

[1:03:58] Voice 19: I do appreciate the eagle nests that we need to protect them, I do agree, but there's also

[1:04:04] Voice 19: a balance between the incapacitation and the wildlife we can go down to richmond

[1:04:10] Voice 19: up there at the landfill there's an eagle on it i suppose i've been to areas where there's legal

[1:04:15] Voice 19: nets right next

[1:04:16] Voice 14: to it it is important to also that it's not just the

[1:04:18] Voice 19: eagle that's all the way up

[1:04:21] Voice 19: but i'm just saying there is a balance i'm not saying what's right what's wrong but it's really

[1:04:29] Voice 19: consider the balance of where we already have properties in place here or zoning some of that

[1:04:35] Voice 19: property by doing some of this we basically in a roundabout way eliminate the rights of that

[1:04:42] Voice 19: property we want to follow the zoning that's already in place then we have to go through

[1:04:45] Voice 19: the variance permit which i think is a good vehicle you never want to get rid of that

[1:04:49] Voice 19: but by doing by extending the setbacks to 100 to 500 meters which is huge

[1:05:01] Voice 19: having something reasonable built into the by-law which we have now will I think will

[1:05:08] Voice 19: help property owners and will also help the trustees in making their decision by blanketing

[1:05:13] Voice 19: and saying well I want to you know tackle I think it's a little bit too late to change

[1:05:18] Voice 19: where we are now in a populated area where people are living and then to say well now

[1:05:26] Voice 19: going to move to a larger setback. So I think it's something to consider. I know we haven't

[1:05:31] Voice 19: drafted the by-law yet, but I think it would be very devastating to a lot of property owners

[1:05:36] Voice 19: to find out now that their property is actually useless. We purchased a property that had no

[1:05:41] Voice 19: buildings on it, so we can't go to the previous district. We had to start from scratch. But that

[1:05:46] Voice 19: property was subdivided into zone or habitation. And then to make it so restrictive, it wouldn't

[1:05:54] Voice 19: just be us it's anybody who's purchased property or everybody has a property that they wish to

[1:05:58] Voice 19: to sell it restricts them and it changes the use of that policy drastically i think that's

[1:06:04] Voice 19: something to be considered in reviewing these setbacks not getting into what's good what is

[1:06:09] Voice 19: important i love parents of eagles brothers two blocks with aaron blue and aaron reserve

[1:06:15] Voice 19: saw a video of the eagle coming and taking the heron chicken finally

[1:06:19] Voice 19: at that moment i thought well what do you want more the parent or the eagle it both happened

[1:06:27] Voice 19: to survive but that's nature so i do appreciate it and i really appreciate your property and you

[1:06:32] Voice 19: have this old growth tree and i love that tree you want to protect it the other one blew over but

[1:06:36] Voice 19: this one is really important to us and uh but having having bylaws that restricts basically

[1:06:44] Voice 19: that basically eliminates the use and enjoyment of property.

[1:06:49] Voice 19: I think that's very restrictive and should be considered.

[1:06:52] Voice 19: I know there's more coming out of it.

[1:06:53] Voice 19: I'd like to see the draft by all of them.

[1:06:54] Voice 19: So I'm sorry about that, Gary,

[1:06:56] Voice 19: but I appreciate your time

[1:06:57] Voice 19: and appreciate the work that you do.

[1:06:59] Voice 19: It's tough and challenging,

[1:07:02] Voice 19: and no matter what decision you make,

[1:07:04] Voice 19: there's gonna be a lot of people who still like it.

[1:07:06] Voice 19: Probably everybody,

[1:07:07] Voice 19: because you make everybody equally unhappy.

[1:07:09] Voice 19: So thank you very much.

[1:07:11] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:07:11] Voice 19: Can I

[1:07:12] Voice 10: just get a clarification?

[1:07:14] Voice 10: there was a there's something my understanding is there's something in the local government

[1:07:18] Voice 10: act about or one of the acts regarding land use that you can't make a property unusable is that

[1:07:26] Voice 10: true

[1:07:26] Voice 14: okay it

[1:07:29] Voice 14: wouldn't be described that way but what i wouldn't clarify is that in this case it

[1:07:33] Voice 14: wouldn't be variance that you would be seeking it would be a development permit versus a development

[1:07:39] Voice 14: variance permit so development variance is where you're incurring in a set dock or you're building

[1:07:43] Voice 14: high. In those cases, the local trust committee has total discretion as to whether to say

[1:07:49] Voice 14: yes or no. With no reasons, they can just be against an entertainment room, simply.

[1:08:02] Voice 14: With respect to development, and you could also seek a development variance through the

[1:08:07] Voice 14: board of variance is another option. In this case, it's a development permit and the guidelines

[1:08:11] Voice 14: guidelines are as long

[1:08:14] Voice 1: as you can

[1:08:14] Voice 14: demonstrate that you're as you have just gone through this process

[1:08:17] Voice 14: as long as you can demonstrate with a qualified professional you can

[1:08:21] Voice 14: meet those guidelines it's much more difficult for the local trust to see

[1:08:31] Voice 19: and making development permit such that obviously do have the ability to go in front of that and

[1:08:35] Voice 19: for us to say these are

[1:08:37] Voice 11: the reasons and

[1:08:38] Voice 19: if that's still in some places exemptions with the part that

[1:08:40] Voice 19: have to have a uh biologist report is okay i think something to serve as a setbacks maybe

[1:08:48] Voice 19: a bit restricted especially when you differentiate between different zones

[1:08:51] Voice 19: just

[1:08:51] Voice 14: to clarify those buffering areas aren't setbacks uh uh as as they would be a lot set

[1:08:59] Voice 14: back a sign log which we need variants they are they are establishing the area of the protection

[1:09:07] Voice 14: so there's still a development but i also take your point that uh it does somewhat sterilize

[1:09:15] Voice 14: the property or his ability to to to do some things on the ground or

[1:09:19] Voice 19: at least to put some

[1:09:19] Voice 14: other process step in the middle of time you

[1:09:22] Voice 19: know in my experience we just purchased last

[1:09:24] Voice 19: two years ago my expense was i put the offer on we did our due diligence and i would love

[1:09:28] Voice 19: to make sure okay this is the area where we can build can i build and yeah and make sure that so

[1:09:36] Voice 19: when you have a property say you want to sell it the prospective buyer is going to come and just

[1:09:41] Voice 19: look at that say oh it's not even an area i can build it without because it's you know it's quite

[1:09:45] Voice 19: a bit of you can do a bit of study to understand some of the bylaw and the ocp so having um

[1:09:51] Voice 19: having so restrictive really does have a negative effect on anybody's use in that property

[1:09:57] Voice 19: down the road because we all are eventually going to move from that property one way or the other

[1:10:01] Voice 19: and uh that property move was sold and then an officer restricted covenant so that

[1:10:05] Voice 19: my 10 years my 20 years my 10 years in any property order they die they can be gone and

[1:10:11] Voice 19: their children their state has to deal with so just

[1:10:14] Trustee Maude: consider it that's all that's okay okay so

[1:10:16] Trustee Maude: we're starting on short types so i have the two gentlemen in the back um lady in the front and

[1:10:22] Trustee Maude: then one in the back again so yeah i've got you for the third speaker

[1:10:27] Voice 18: yeah um yes mr chairman i

[1:10:29] Voice 18: just like to address a few issues that I've seen with the report. Now looking at Table 3 of the

[1:10:37] Voice 18: report, I understand that we have 23 new nests of which 13 are bald eagles. Looking at the existing

[1:10:57] Voice 18: This appears to me to be approximately an 80% increase in raptor or raptor inherent

[1:11:07] Voice 18: nests over the past 18 years, which is very substantial.

[1:11:12] Voice 18: I'd

[1:11:13] Voice 1: also like to

[1:11:13] Voice 18: further point out that according to the BC report on guidelines for raptors

[1:11:18] Voice 18: that neither ospreys nor eagles are in danger or at risk.

[1:11:24] Voice 18: Ospreys have a high tolerance to coexist with humans and eagles have a moderately high tolerance.

[1:11:31] Voice 18: I would suggest the evidence indicates that there is really no pressing need for an alteration

[1:11:38] Voice 18: the buffer zones and the guidelines for dealing with eagle nests or raptor nests.

[1:11:47] Voice 18: The other concern I have about the report is it fails to indicate what the impact on the population of eagles

[1:11:54] Voice 18: or the number of eagle nests would be if these new guidelines were imposed and standards expanded.

[1:12:06] Voice 18: Since none of that's been quantified, it's not open to examination and repetition.

[1:12:14] Voice 18: I think that's true for all of the raptors and herons that are dealt with in this report.

[1:12:23] Voice 18: Also, I'm

[1:12:24] Voice 18: wondering if you can bring me directly to a site where you have the GPS coordinates

[1:12:30] Voice 18: coordinates and visual evidence of a raptor nest at these sites. I'd like to look at that.

[1:12:39] Voice 18: I think it's important. I'd also like you to warn that private property was not trespassed

[1:12:46] Voice 18: on by anyone connected with this study. And finally, I would note that for the trust to

[1:12:56] Voice 18: proposed this is the beginning of a change in the bylaws i think

[1:13:01] Voice 1: a resident would normally

[1:13:03] Voice 18: expect a cost benefit study that quantifies all benefits and costs there does not appear to be

[1:13:10] Voice 18: one directed in the project uh in the project and there doesn't appear to be one that was done

[1:13:19] Voice 18: i would suggest that this fails the standards of good governance

[1:13:22] Voice 18: and suggest that the project cannot go forward at this time.

[1:13:28] Voice 18: Also concluded by

[1:13:30] Voice 18: I would like to reference the

[1:13:34] Voice 18: Islands Trust Act mandate, which I think is a favorite

[1:13:38] Voice 18: of your trustees.

[1:13:42] Voice 18: The Islands Trust Act says that

[1:13:46] Voice 18: we must preserve and protect the unique amenities

[1:13:51] Voice 18: and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area. It does not say you will

[1:13:59] Voice 18: preserve and protect the environment and unique amenities. A necessary condition to meet the

[1:14:07] Voice 18: mandate is that whatever protection or preservation takes place is for the benefit of the residents

[1:14:14] Voice 18: and may suggest that it is a benefit for the residents. Since you've not conducted any

[1:14:23] Voice 18: cost benefits study, I would suggest that you fail to meet the standards of the Act

[1:14:29] Voice 18: and use you at this point, abandon this particular project.

[1:14:35] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:14:37] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:14:41] Voice 10: David, can you

[1:14:43] Voice 10: speak to that, just as the trust representative, sort of trust one representative

[1:14:47] Voice 10: on that?

[1:14:48] Voice 10: Like

[1:14:48] Voice 5: in terms

[1:14:49] Voice 10: of the benefit of the trust, the point that...

[1:14:52] Voice 10: So

[1:14:52] Trustee Maude: cost-benefit analysis, honestly, first time that question has ever come before me,

[1:14:59] Trustee Maude: so I think we need to take that away.

[1:15:02] Trustee Maude: I don't know, Planer Smith, do you have any insight as to that?

[1:15:05] Trustee Maude: Are there any questions?

[1:15:11] Trustee Maude: Sir, do you have one or two questions or specific?

[1:15:16] Trustee Maude: Okay, all right.

[1:15:20] Voice 20: Thank you. Would you mind bringing up the map again that shows the area down the lower

[1:15:24] Voice 20: stream of Maui? I'm really surprised to see that amount of congested.

[1:15:37] Voice 14: There's three heron nests identified there, is what my understanding is.

[1:15:51] Voice 4: Hear what you mean?

[1:15:57] Voice 4: zoom in and just

[1:16:03] Voice 19: notice it could be all the time

[1:16:05] Voice 20: going forward which is kind of

[1:16:06] Voice 19: like right in the

[1:16:07] Voice 19: middle

[1:16:07] Voice 20: of two circles but um your your new uh setbacks is that just that's a radius

[1:16:17] Voice 20: land base right um from the trunk of the tree going out correct from the top of the tree going

[1:16:24] Voice 20: going up, or just from the trunk of the tree going out.

[1:16:29] Voice 20: And

[1:16:29] Voice 17: I wondered why I asked this, because of the congestion

[1:16:32] Voice 17: there.

[1:16:33] Voice 17: Have you contemplated putting in a flight path

[1:16:36] Voice 20: so that the helicopter flies across as a direct way

[1:16:42] Voice 17: to go that it doesn't go all the way through the areas?

[1:16:46] Voice 17: I mean, I know you don't have ability over transport.

[1:16:51] Voice 17: So that would be the answer.

[1:16:53] Voice 14: So transport would have to set that corridor with input or yeah we couldn't see a transport

[1:17:00] Voice 14: cabinet creating a corridor there for a Raptor Nest production. You can't see that. Any development

[1:17:06] Voice 14: within your aerial corridor in that polygon for example if you want to put a shed up above that

[1:17:11] Voice 14: tree you would need a development permit. Okay but I can fly my helicopter over top of that tree.

[1:17:19] Voice 14: have helicopter you can do whatever the ministry of uh transport allows you to do okay there's a

[1:17:24] Voice 14: lot of clarification there's

[1:17:26] Voice 16: a lot of

[1:17:26] Voice 14: that i

[1:17:27] Voice 3: i just like speak on behalf of the uh eagles and the

[1:17:32] Voice 3: all the birds actually yeah because i don't know whether people realize but we're in an

[1:17:38] Voice 3: existential crisis we have uh you know there's actually things called climate change and you

[1:17:45] Voice 3: know there are 27 eagles and a few parents and how many people are on pen around 3 000 i think that's

[1:17:53] Voice 3: way out of bounds i'm just having a bit of a rant because i feel like it but you know why don't we

[1:17:59] Voice 3: consider the beauty of what we have and give a bit to them because if we don't protect the land

[1:18:05] Voice 3: And we don't protect five of those, and everything is bad.

[1:18:09] Voice 3: We then have shit full.

[1:18:13] Voice 3: So that's my bit.

[1:18:17] Trustee Maude: Thank you, ma'am.

[1:18:17] Trustee Maude: Ma'am, in the back.

[1:18:19] Voice 6: There's no link on the website for people that want to watch this.

[1:18:24] Trustee Maude: Is the link not active?

[1:18:26] Voice 6: No.

[1:18:27] Trustee Maude: Okay, so.

[1:18:29] Voice 6: There's people that are trying to watch and are

[1:18:31] Voice 6: able to watch this.

[1:18:33] Voice 7: I had somebody message me that they were watching it, but they couldn't hear it.

[1:18:37] Voice 7: earlier. I have somebody's message said they're watching.

[1:18:40] Voice 7: Okay,

[1:18:41] Voice 6: we'll work on that. Thank you. I think there's there's a

[1:18:44] Voice 6: click here. And it's not. Okay.

[1:18:48] Trustee Maude: Okay, so so our list will are

[1:18:52] Trustee Maude: as far as you so hopefully, if there is an error, we'll get it

[1:18:56] Trustee Maude: fixed up. So thank you. So yes, I

[1:19:00] Voice 3: just want to speak to the

[1:19:01] Voice 3: buffer zone. I think that there's a similar roadblock.

[1:19:06] Voice 3: he taught us a lot of the behavior of these great birds and one of the things that buffer zone does

[1:19:14] Voice 3: um David is a very good birder but so is my husband so I guess I speak from title for you

[1:19:20] Voice 3: when baby birds are born and they're trying to fly they need the trees that are outside of that

[1:19:34] Voice 3: that the main, that main tree is being protected because the way we learn to fly is they can't fly, they land on the tree that's close by.

[1:19:43] Voice 3: And they'll sit down for a little while and then they'll fly to the next tree that's still in that buckling zone to learn to fly.

[1:19:50] Voice 3: But if you cut down those trees that are around that main tree in that buckling zone, those birds will not learn to fly.

[1:19:59] Voice 3: So when we're talking about the buffer zone, that is the importance, one of the

[1:20:04] Voice 3: importance of that tree. And it's also a chance for that tree to get some quiet

[1:20:10] Voice 3: living places for that bird to survive, for those parents to feel confident to nest from outside.

[1:20:18] Voice 3: So that is the value of that buffer zone when you have those trees and considering

[1:20:24] Voice 3: I think

[1:20:30] Voice 9: when we talk about preserve and protect and amenities, it doesn't always come down to money.

[1:20:38] Voice 9: And if we start reducing it to money versus what we have here, we're on a slippery slope to judging things in the wrong way.

[1:20:49] Voice 9: So that principle of, you know, a constant right to increase property values really needs to be questioned.

[1:21:02] Voice 9: And we have nature here, and when an evil doesn't have a place to rest, there's no amount of money you can put on that.

[1:21:15] Voice 9: So that whole argument really needs to be questioned.

[1:21:22] Voice 9: And we can't be looking at the island like that.

[1:21:27] Trustee Maude: Okay, the last person to hand up is Mr. Sketch.

[1:21:31] Voice 19: Thank you, Michael Sketch, Dr. Kendra.

[1:21:33] Voice 19: I think Brad Spencer would help

[1:21:35] Voice 19: if only vile discussions come up here,

[1:21:38] Voice 19: introduce them to explain to the public

[1:21:40] Voice 19: that yes, there are vials,

[1:21:42] Voice 19: but there is always a mechanism

[1:21:48] Voice 19: that can create an exception or measures and that would perhaps delay some of the concern

[1:21:57] Voice 19: of the public.

[1:21:58] Voice 19: In this case, you can't vary a development permit requirement.

[1:22:02] Voice 19: Sorry, I didn't mean to vary it, but enable a house to be built or some...

[1:22:09] Voice 14: In this case, as long as they can demonstrate through a QEP that they're meeting those guidelines

[1:22:15] Voice 14: but there

[1:22:17] Voice 19: is a mechanism in place it's not 500 meters it's not me and all of these issues be

[1:22:26] Voice 19: they groundwater be they roughness they speak to the density of allowed development by the islands

[1:22:35] Voice 19: trust which is uniquely subject to the to the requirement that we obviously satisfy the higher

[1:22:43] Voice 19: the density there is we simply crowd out whatever it is uh including groundwork uh and if you want

[1:22:52] Voice 19: more and more and more water funding thoughts there will be saltwater intrusion there simply

[1:22:57] Voice 19: will be uh and the eagles will have no place to land so ultimately the bonds upon the long distance

[1:23:08] Voice 19: forward planning by yourselves, but the Islands Trust cannot simply go on being developed.

[1:23:16] Voice 19: And here's an example, they increase guidelines and then they apply for some sort of variation

[1:23:25] Voice 19: on that theme, because they just don't have the room.

[1:23:30] Voice 19: so please that's the object comes first in your thinking your

[1:23:38] your organization's thinking or should and i'm almost never here first

[1:23:43] Trustee Maude: okay thank you just to advise everybody that we've got mess back that live stream has been

[1:23:50] Trustee Maude: fixed they found the problem so anybody wanting to join should be able to join them all right so

[1:23:57] Trustee Maude: So if there's nobody else, we have a scheduled break now for 15 minutes.

[1:24:04] Trustee Maude: If we want to go forward with that, if nobody has anything else.

[1:24:08] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Planner Smith.

[1:24:09] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[1:24:10] Trustee Maude: And we'll take a 15-minute break.

[1:24:28] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:24:45] Voice 4: yeah

[1:24:46] Voice 4: no i just i i

[1:45:21] Voice 4: Thank

[1:45:22] Trustee Maude: you everybody for returning to Hoarder.

[1:45:27] Trustee Maude: So 1.30, 1.45 to 4 o'clock on our agenda, the housing project.

[1:45:33] Trustee Maude: We're starting off until 2.30 with the Plenary Housing Needs Survey results.

[1:45:38] Trustee Maude: So I assume the time is there.

[1:45:41] Trustee Maude: We're going to do a lightness.

[1:45:54] Voice 3: So

[1:45:54] Voice 14: thank you again everyone, shifting now here's a good community dialogue and comments

[1:46:03] Voice 14: around the Raptors. It's helpful for me to hear all that. We'll now shift gears to housing.

[1:46:09] Voice 14: Z. I have some slides here and some survey results and I think we're up to 340 survey submissions, which is a pretty exceptional turnout for a community of maybe 15-16 hundred North and South Bender altogether.

[1:46:25] Voice 14: 23

[1:46:25] Voice 10: on north it's 2300 how much

[1:46:29] Voice 14: i'm thinking again

[1:46:30] Voice 14: north i

[1:46:35] Voice 10: thought was 23 i looked it up

[1:46:36] Voice 10: 23

[1:46:37] Voice 14: yeah 23 21 600

[1:46:39] Voice 10: 800 15

[1:46:41] Voice 14: we still got a couple ways to go so i was literally at 12 two weeks ago

[1:46:46] Voice 14: so i was pretty happy when i saw that 295 but i have some slides here for those of you that

[1:46:52] Voice 14: are familiar with the work that they're doing i'm just going to quickly go through this

[1:46:56] Voice 14: closing slide stuff just to bring everyone up to speed including the trustees as to where things

[1:47:01] Voice 14: are at with their project and i'll walk through the survey results we have our apc has been working

[1:47:06] Voice 14: really hard and diligent and they're going to present some of their preliminary results

[1:47:10] Voice 14: and then from their uh kind of open forum in terms of wanting to talk about what's next action

[1:47:17] Voice 14: and planning thoughts as a community person it would be nice to see more community members at

[1:47:23] Voice 14: these meetings uh of course you know if we take away your apc we're down to i think

[1:47:29] Voice 14: you could have a wrestling match and you could be apc and it would be about even here

[1:47:42] Voice 3: I mean, it's

[1:47:45] Voice 14: on Facebook forums, your trustees are

[1:47:48] Voice 3: going to hear about it.

[1:47:51] Voice 3: We

[1:47:51] Voice 14: do our best. There's only so much we can do.

[1:47:54] Voice 3: It's not a question, it's just a suggestion.

[1:47:57] Voice 3: There

[1:47:57] Voice 14: really isn't all that much like this. It's an independent post. It's on Facebook,

[1:48:01] Voice 14: book it's on it's sent out to the people on subscriber the email people there's any interest

[1:48:06] Voice 14: in islands trust it's sent out to all of them so it really is typically and it's one of the reasons

[1:48:12] Voice 14: we did a survey or staff recommended doing the survey was hopefully to get more people in the

[1:48:17] Voice 14: room that have filled out that survey which doesn't seem

[1:48:20] Voice 14: to work yet but at least when i go

[1:48:22] Voice 14: through the survey results i think there's some really good results there and at least you now

[1:48:26] Voice 14: have some perspective of a pretty broad base of your community on some of your potential

[1:48:35] Voice 14: pathways going forward in terms of amending bylaws, flexible housing, so there's some

[1:48:41] Voice 14: really interesting results.

[1:48:42] Voice 14: Do

[1:48:43] Voice 16: we have any idea how many are attending online right now?

[1:48:45] Trustee Maude: Oh no.

[1:48:46] Voice 14: We

[1:48:47] Trustee Maude: don't, because if you do the link on the website, we don't see them.

[1:48:53] Trustee Maude: because

[1:48:54] Voice 14: they're not in the Zoom for these meetings, but I wouldn't guess it's a lot.

[1:49:02] Voice 14: So just going to quickly walk through the slides again. I think I'm pretty open if

[1:49:06] Voice 14: anyone has any compelling questions when I get to a spot. I'm going to work through these

[1:49:10] Voice 14: first slides really quickly because a lot of you know this stuff.

[1:49:18] Voice 14: So just the agenda. So just quickly going to talk about what the Highlands Trust broadly

[1:49:23] Voice 6: Bradley

[1:49:23] Voice 14: is working on with respect to housing tools and processes, a lot of work going on, as there is with all local governments to try to address the housing situation for a wide demographic of people in our communities, as we see and hear and feel all the time.

[1:49:41] Voice 14: being from victoria uh significantly changes in that community of course

[1:49:47] Voice 14: uh talk about the actual project that they're working on walk through the survey results

[1:49:53] Voice 14: uh peter is going to present some information from here about the planning commission

[1:49:57] Voice 14: and then we can

[1:49:58] Voice 14: figure out what uh next um a little bit after that looks like uh so just in general trust council

[1:50:06] Voice 14: the land term strategic plan supports land use decision-making tools and housing initiatives

[1:50:11] Voice 14: are the overarching goal to develop healthy resilient island communities uh of course

[1:50:16] Voice 14: there's a lot of conversation where there were that's in the the object of the trust and within

[1:50:21] Voice 14: the uh scope of the trust uh but as every community struggles with housing uh it's hard to

[1:50:30] Voice 14: also not be empathetic to that and work towards addressing that for the communities that we all

[1:50:37] Voice 14: live in. The regional planning committee has been working on a broad housing strategy, a toolkit,

[1:50:47] Voice 14: suitable land analysis, needs assessments, products that can support all the local trust

[1:50:52] Voice 14: committees and the individual local ltcs a number of them are working on housing projects

[1:51:01] Voice 14: with a different scope but all with the attempt to address and alleviate some of the housing

[1:51:10] Voice 14: concerns in their communities a little just graphic there the housing strategy lots of

[1:51:20] Voice 14: different components uh working towards uh supporting the local trust committees in their

[1:51:25] Voice 14: communities with trying to uh move on some of these initiatives and i think we're making some

[1:51:29] Voice 14: progress in on these islands uh with working with housing for humanity and you know abandoning

[1:51:36] Voice 14: zoning when we get to the question and answer section the chair's work on main as a trustee

[1:51:45] Voice 14: is probably one of the earliest housing projects that has been going so he could speak to that a

[1:51:49] Voice 14: little bit. So I'm not going to spend much time other than to

[1:51:56] Voice 14: say the work is to get down to goal statements with specific

[1:52:02] Voice 14: objectives and tasks under those. This is an action plan as

[1:52:08] Voice 14: a trust wide effort. And then this template also is reflected

[1:52:15] Voice 14: in action planning at the individual local trust committee

[1:52:17] Voice 14: level. A lot of the work and effort has been into developing a housing toolkit, process

[1:52:26] Voice 14: templates, coalescing all the background and previous studies and information that have

[1:52:32] Voice 14: occurred across the trust area, developing mapping tools like a suitable land analysis,

[1:52:37] Voice 14: and then action plan and strategy templates, which is a next step in this project after

[1:52:43] Voice 14: after all of this information gathering

[1:52:44] Voice 14: and analysis has been completed

[1:52:46] Voice 14: to then develop an action plan for your community.

[1:52:52] Voice 14: Housing toolkit has helped to focus local trust

[1:52:56] Voice 14: committee discussion and support development

[1:52:59] Voice 14: and housing action plan and business space

[1:53:01] Voice 14: and other components as I just spoke to.

[1:53:03] Voice 14: That should build consistency and efficiency

[1:53:06] Voice 14: across LTC housing projects,

[1:53:08] Voice 14: which I think it's starting to do.

[1:53:09] Voice 14: And the work of regional planner, Nurissa Chadwick

[1:53:12] Voice 14: has been really instrumental

[1:53:13] Voice 14: and pulling all this work together

[1:53:15] Voice 14: and supporting various local trust committees

[1:53:19] Voice 14: and times moving it forward.

[1:53:22] Voice 14: I already talked about the early work down in Maine

[1:53:25] Voice 14: and how that has provided some templates

[1:53:27] Voice 14: for other local trust committees.

[1:53:30] Voice 14: It focuses on increasing housing options,

[1:53:32] Voice 14: a broad range of methods to do that.

[1:53:36] Voice 14: And it's always evolving, of course, as these things do.

[1:53:40] Voice 14: Just a couple of cool graphics here

[1:53:45] Voice 14: to show where the island's trust regulations fit in i won't speak to uh any great degree but uh

[1:53:52] Voice 14: just to say that we do have you know that pretty narrow limited land use and zoning function and so

[1:53:59] Voice 14: the capacity of the trust committee to facilitate actual development of housing is different than

[1:54:06] Voice 14: say a municipality or even a regional district that has all of those services uh within their

[1:54:11] Voice 14: own organization. So there's a lot of advocacy that also occurs with your trustees and other

[1:54:20] Voice 14: levels of government where they don't

[1:54:22] Voice 14: actually have a legal ability to change things. And then

[1:54:30] Voice 14: this is just kind of the overarching circle. So all those other services and subdivision approval,

[1:54:37] Voice 14: approval, for example, is the Ministry of Transportation,

[1:54:39] Voice 14: whereas if it's in Saanich,

[1:54:42] Voice 14: Saanich is approving that subject.

[1:54:43] Voice 14: So a lot of the things that can help to support housing

[1:54:48] Voice 14: are outside of the realm of violence trust authority.

[1:54:54] Voice 14: So on North Fender, of course,

[1:54:57] Voice 14: housing access and affordability is a priority

[1:54:59] Voice 14: as it is across all municipal

[1:55:02] Voice 14: and other levels of governments worldwide, really.

[1:55:05] Voice 14: Finally, the CRD's housing

[1:55:09] Voice 14: strategy concludes that housing

[1:55:11] Voice 14: shortages impact all aspects

[1:55:13] Voice 14: of community life, as we see and feel.

[1:55:18] Voice 14: Other LTCs have taken actions, secondary suite initiatives, as well as limiting short-term

[1:55:25] Voice 14: vacation rentals.

[1:55:28] Voice 14: This LTC has a reason on Plum Tree Court to allow an easier development scheme for them,

[1:55:34] Voice 14: And they've also enabled the fire hall to create portable housing at their fire hall to support workers.

[1:55:41] Voice 14: So a couple of things that they can build on.

[1:55:47] Voice 14: The OCP, we talked about this previously, but it's required by the Local Environment Act to describe the approximate location, amount, type, and density of residential development.

[1:56:00] Voice 14: There's a number of policies within the North Pender OCP that reflects that.

[1:56:05] Voice 14: There's a number of affordable housing policies as well,

[1:56:08] Voice 14: specific to North Canada, and I won't go through all of these,

[1:56:11] Voice 14: but just so that you understand that the policies of the OCP

[1:56:15] Voice 14: are then reflected in bylaws and other policy approaches.

[1:56:21] Voice 14: And all of the bylaws have to be more or less consistent

[1:56:24] Voice 14: with the direction of that official community plan.

[1:56:29] Voice 14: The land use bylaw then has a number of provisions

[1:56:34] Voice 14: So secondary suite provisions, community housing zone, which is not very well, there's not a lot of uptake on that zoning and rental housing zoning as well.

[1:56:48] Voice 14: I don't think there's a lot of rental housing zoning as well.

[1:56:50] Voice 14: So there are some actual placeholders there where the trustees could look at zone or look at properties that may be appropriate for higher density development and apply some of this zoning that already exists.

[1:57:07] Voice 14: So the local trust committee is working on a housing project.

[1:57:13] Voice 14: It's over two years.

[1:57:15] Voice 14: And so we're in this first phase one of consultation and review of options.

[1:57:20] Voice 14: And after we've worked through all this analysis, the LTC can turn their minds to what actual

[1:57:27] Voice 14: changes to their zoning and other regulations can be considered.

[1:57:31] Voice 14: A bunch of project deliverables here, similar to First Nations.

[1:57:38] Voice 14: The Advisory Planning Commission has been established and I must say that they're doing

[1:57:41] Voice 14: a lot of work for your community and they've really invested themselves in a real way so

[1:57:46] Voice 14: they can be commended for that.

[1:57:48] Voice 14: It's been really great working with them.

[1:57:49] Voice 14: them. There's been this housing needs survey that's currently out there. And these next

[1:57:57] Voice 14: two steps are things that will be looked at in the future. So we are here right in this

[1:58:05] Voice 14: phase one consultation spot. All of this information again will be posted online. So the housing

[1:58:13] Voice 14: needs survey is initiated in September, 16 questions, some of them open ended. Today

[1:58:19] Voice 14: I'll just present on the closed-ended questions I haven't had the capacity to look up and look at

[1:58:24] Voice 14: and roll up all the open-ended questions but I would say is that the results are really

[1:58:30] Voice 14: supportive of a lot of the direction that you can see in the survey results and also that pretty

[1:58:36] Voice 14: much from everything I saw the language was respectful and positive at least in terms of

[1:58:49] Voice 14: of just trying to give ideas and information.

[1:58:54] Voice 14: So the focus on the surveys of demographics,

[1:58:57] Voice 14: current housing needs and solutions moving forward.

[1:58:59] Voice 14: We've got 340 responses to date,

[1:59:01] Voice 14: which is pretty good, I think.

[1:59:04] Voice 14: And the results of that survey will be brought back

[1:59:08] Voice 14: to the trustees in November.

[1:59:21] Voice 17: So I'm just going to...

[1:59:23] Voice 14: This is

[1:59:27] Voice 14: the survey results, I'm just going to go through these quickly, this is the only one that doesn't display really well, but if you're looking up there, so this is basically where you're associated with, you can see the large majority are North Pender and South Pender respondees, so that's what we want, that's good, getting a good cross-section of your communities.

[1:59:53] Voice 14: This speaks to connection.

[2:00:00] Voice 14: large majority are full-time residents that are pulling up, responding, full and part-time residents.

[2:00:08] Voice 14: Also the targets that you're looking for, the graphic on how long people have lived here, more than 20 years,

[2:00:18] Voice 14: is interesting. It speaks to the demographic on your island.

[2:00:23] Voice 14: If you have any questions or comments on these as we work through them, please fire away.

[2:00:28] Voice 14: in. These are all just the demographic stuff. Large majority live here, either full-time or

[2:00:35] Voice 14: part-time. Interesting demographic on your age. Most of your respondents are in that 60 to 79

[2:00:48] Voice 14: category. A little

[2:00:53] Voice 16: bit of

[2:00:59] Voice 12: First

[2:01:08] Voice 14: Nations representation responding, which is good.

[2:01:16] Voice 14: majority of your households responding are couples families single people majority of

[2:01:24] Voice 14: families and couples large majority all over the place for income which is interesting this is you

[2:01:35] Voice 14: know 300 and something responses so each one of these bars would be 10 or 15 at least i would

[2:01:42] Voice 14: think. Funny. So that's a real range. Pretty nice to be down here with David Mott.

[2:01:55] Voice 14: There's the actual data and we'll share this online as well.

[2:01:58] Voice 14: And this will all be rolled up to present to the LTC as well.

[2:02:03] Voice 14: Mostly owners. Guessing your data is a little skewed. Like I think I went to your magic.

[2:02:10] Voice 14: like homeowners and so I'm guessing that surveys may be not capturing some of

[2:02:20] Voice 14: those working families that are struggling as much as but that's just a

[2:02:25] Voice 14: speculation but a lot of old dwellings there's

[2:02:28] Voice 10: 10% bars 300 so that's like 30

[2:02:30] Voice 10: or more people who are renting if you look

[2:02:33] Voice 3: at the age of your responders you

[2:02:37] Voice 3: you know yeah the younger people yeah well you know that yeah

[2:02:40] Voice 14: so you could see that's cute but

[2:02:43] Voice 14: it's still like you say you're still getting 30 or 35 but i think that is

[2:02:46] Voice 7: also in keeping with what

[2:02:50] Voice 7: like our census data is that that a majority of our population is in that 60 to 70 like

[2:02:59] Voice 7: it is in that yeah that's like i don't

[2:03:04] Voice 14: know that it really yeah

[2:03:05] Voice 7: i would say that when i read

[2:03:07] Voice 7: through it because i had seen these already a couple days ago you know when there's 290 or

[2:03:13] Voice 7: whatever it was um it didn't seem that off the wall as far as what was expect what i would expect

[2:03:23] Voice 7: 39

[2:03:23] Voice 17: renters

[2:03:31] Voice 4: yeah that's good so

[2:03:39] Voice 14: which competition is your preferred housing option

[2:03:41] Voice 14: large majority of those homeowners enjoy their home as we all do but quite a range here this

[2:03:49] Voice 14: is more than one you could answer so looking at what what could people live with i guess as opposed

[2:03:55] Voice 14: to what for this is a cottage so self-contained outside of so something that's contained on the

[2:04:08] Voice 14: property so if we talk about flexible zoning and you know the ability to build a couple cottages

[2:04:16] Voice 14: instead of only one if you minimize your house size

[2:04:19] Voice 14: or somehow create a rental pool.

[2:04:22] Voice 14: I know there is work by the CRD to try to figure out

[2:04:26] Voice 14: how to create a rental agreement

[2:04:28] Voice 14: with an individual property, for example,

[2:04:30] Voice 14: which is often one of the obstacles to that flexible zoning.

[2:04:35] Voice 14: Again, I welcome any questions.

[2:04:39] Voice 14: Not many people wanted to go to the retirement home.

[2:04:45] Voice 14: Now we start getting into the actions.

[2:04:55] Voice 14: so all that was demographics up to now that we started to actually get into a housing needs part

[2:05:01] Voice 14: uh so you

[2:05:07] Voice 12: just look at these lots of people pretty

[2:05:17] Voice 14: satisfied with their housing but i'm guessing a

[2:05:19] Voice 14: lot of those people are also the same people that have their nice comfortable

[2:05:23] Voice 5: house and mortgage

[2:05:25] Voice 14: mostly paid off and all of that right which contributes to your reasons for your current

[2:05:36] Voice 14: the living situation not meeting your needs so they can't find housing no surprise that

[2:05:42] Voice 14: housing costs were the highest reflective of what we see interesting that the second

[2:05:52] Voice 14: one is that it's too small

[2:05:57] Voice 4: this

[2:06:08] Voice 14: is a pretty striking survey response where you see

[2:06:11] Voice 14: you know this is the first shift where you see kind of something negative

[2:06:15] Voice 14: or not negative but like uh where you have a wide margin there uh not so confident and not

[2:06:24] Voice 14: confident at all so you have over 50 percent of your respondents even with all those

[2:06:31] Voice 14: uh secure housing you have over 50 percent of your community feeling that if their house

[2:06:39] Voice 14: situation changed they would not have so much to go to that speaks to a dearth in supply that's for

[2:06:46] Voice 14: sure

[2:06:46] Voice 3: yes expensive this

[2:06:55] Voice 14: just gets into a little bit of uh looking forward and uh so um interesting

[2:07:02] Voice 14: most of the people that are filling out the survey are uh somewhat well informed it's probably

[2:07:09] Voice 14: reflective people that actually take time to fill out surveys like this too which is something great

[2:07:13] Voice 14: but interesting that there's pretty well-informed community out there. This last one is probably the

[2:07:22] Voice 14: best piece of data in terms of youth trustees and what you can look at going forward. You can

[2:07:31] Voice 14: see that there's a broad support for a whole bunch of stuff that we could then start to create as

[2:07:37] Voice 14: There's action plan goals and objectives around flexible zoning.

[2:07:43] Voice 3: Can you put that down?

[2:07:45] Voice 3: I didn't see that question.

[2:07:46] Voice 14: Yeah, there's the questions there.

[2:07:48] Voice 14: Can you see them?

[2:07:50] Voice 3: No, just the question.

[2:07:52] Voice 14: The main question is, sorry, read that.

[2:07:58] Voice 14: Essentially, within what's in the purview of the LTC,

[2:08:01] Voice 14: what are the community members?

[2:08:04] Voice 14: And this is,

[2:08:05] Voice 14: again, where one that you can select more than one,

[2:08:07] Voice 14: and it gives

[2:08:08] Voice 14: I think your trustees and staff

[2:08:12] Voice 14: so for

[2:08:13] Voice 14: example

[2:08:15] Voice 14: less people are looking at

[2:08:18] Voice 14: your short term vacation rental stuff

[2:08:20] Voice 14: it's not as much of a priority as

[2:08:21] Voice 14: flexible zoning

[2:08:24] Voice 14: speculation tax

[2:08:26] Voice 14: is not as much a priority

[2:08:29] Voice 14: I was hoping

[2:08:30] Voice 7: that there was going to be like

[2:08:31] Voice 7: two things that stood out

[2:08:33] Voice 7: that would be

[2:08:37] Voice 10: it's interesting though because i also wonder like how do we judge this data in light of do

[2:08:43] Voice 10: people understand all that like does everybody who has

[2:08:45] Voice 10: a survey know what the speculation tax is

[2:08:47] Voice 10: maybe i don't know pardon if you always look it up that would be the responsible thing to do before

[2:08:54] Voice 10: answering the question but yes yeah but there's always some worrying things and giving information

[2:09:03] Voice 10: Yeah, I

[2:09:04] Voice 9: think

[2:09:13] Voice 14: looking at this, Trustee Campbell, so obviously over 60% of respondents, so I think that is, like there isn't, on most other islands, there's a project, there's a dream, there's a vision, and that doesn't really seem to exist.

[2:09:33] Voice 14: on pender and uh the ltc could help to facilitate that but it also like you have the the pender

[2:09:41] Voice 14: i was housing society we're going to meet with them with your receipt to talk more like nuts

[2:09:46] Voice 14: and bolts but uh and the land suitability analysis could help to identify some parcels

[2:09:53] Voice 14: i think

[2:09:56] Voice 7: like one of one of the things i know for myself and starting this project

[2:10:01] Voice 7: was that talking to trustees from other

[2:10:05] Voice 7: islands we aren't yet in the

[2:10:09] Voice 7: place that they are at and so

[2:10:12] Voice 7: we don't quite have the dire need that

[2:10:18] Voice 7: Gabriola has, that Denman has been

[2:10:22] Voice 7: going through so the

[2:10:25] Voice 7: thought about addressing this now was to try to put some things in place

[2:10:30] Voice 7: that are proactive before we get to that point and so that's where i say like it would have been

[2:10:36] Voice 7: cool if there's like two things that stand out and you can focus all your attention on doing that and

[2:10:40] Voice 7: and kind of go after it um but it also could be taken that there is lots of like there's

[2:10:49] Voice 7: there's quite a bit of flexibility in what we could do uh to try to address it for pender

[2:10:56] Voice 7: like

[2:10:57] Voice 14: if you look this and this and this and yeah they're all zoning related at least so that

[2:11:05] Voice 14: it at least informs you maybe a broad range of flexible zoning options enabling of a higher

[2:11:13] Voice 14: density development in areas that are uh you know suitable and i think

[2:11:20] Voice 7: the suitable land analysis

[2:11:21] Voice 7: part of it is a big piece because obviously i mean it's we're not going to be the ones building

[2:11:28] Voice 7: anything right the island's crust is not going to be who is responsible for building it all we can

[2:11:34] Voice 7: really do is offer the ability to build you

[2:11:39] Voice 19: know down the road yeah and

[2:11:42] Voice 10: and i think part of our

[2:11:43] Voice 10: conversation also has to be where we ought not to build because you know if we're going to talk

[2:11:50] Voice 10: about density in particular locations we have to offset that overall with how we think about

[2:11:58] Voice 10: you know protecting forest continuity, protecting water, whatever it is. So the conversation can't

[2:12:05] Voice 10: only be about increasing density for affordable housing it has to be about the full future.

[2:12:12] Voice 10: One thing that I just want to really stress and this is always the tension in the Allen's Trust

[2:12:18] Voice 10: trust area housing is part of the local government act right and because of and of course there are

[2:12:26] Voice 10: pieces of housing that affect other aspects of the island's trust mandate like that we

[2:12:31] Voice 10: i kind of think of it as two ways building housing and meeting housing needs is the local government

[2:12:35] Voice 10: act managing housing so it doesn't impact the environment is the island's trust act

[2:12:40] Voice 10: right so like we have to kind of pull both of those together um because unlike other

[2:12:46] Voice 10: municipalities we do have the islands trust act that requires us to think about those things

[2:12:51] Voice 10: together so hopefully other municipalities are thinking about that anyway but they don't they

[2:12:56] Voice 10: aren't required to like we so okay so

[2:13:02] Voice 14: that's your survey today that's good stuff there i think and

[2:13:08] Voice 14: then there's a whole bunch of open-ended responses that will be rolled up and collated into themes

[2:13:14] Voice 14: and that will be presented on the 29th is there any other questions on the survey

[2:13:21] Voice 14: yes

[2:13:22] Voice 3: would you consider sending the survey on the gate it's

[2:13:27] Voice 14: still live so okay

[2:13:28] Voice 3: so have you

[2:13:30] Voice 3: you know so

[2:13:31] Voice 14: we'll do one more blitz of trying

[2:13:34] Voice 3: to get people upset yeah so

[2:13:38] Voice 14: so it's open till november 11th so probably like early next week we'll put out one more blitz

[2:13:49] Voice 14: that was

[2:13:56] Voice 3: more

[2:13:59] Voice 14: more people than i expected yeah i

[2:14:02] Voice 14: was blown away i went from like 12

[2:14:04] Voice 14: All of two weeks ago, literally, we were at 12.

[2:14:06] Voice 14: When you said the thing about the 12, I was

[2:14:08] Voice 7: like, yeah, that's about right.

[2:14:10] Voice 7: I mean, it's

[2:14:12] Voice 5: a dollar price.

[2:14:13] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:14:21] Voice 10: Generally, until there's actual policy on the table that people can, like, poke at, it's not as many people get involved.

[2:14:31] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:14:32] Voice 16: you've got to

[2:14:32] Voice 10: put something on the table.

[2:14:34] Voice 10: say like do you agree or disagree with then it's easier to get people involved when it's a little

[2:14:38] Voice 10: bit more like what do you think it's harder but it's a good response it's a good response

[2:14:46] Voice 10: yeah yeah for sure for

[2:14:48] Voice 10: sure you should be proud of this yeah

[2:14:50] Voice 14: oh yes and we have a couple weeks

[2:14:53] Voice 14: left so i definitely move a lot i plan to get the apc put out word to all of their contacts

[2:14:59] Voice 14: yeah it's

[2:14:59] Voice 14: exceeded as well so it literally went from 12 and be like oh my gosh to oh wow 295 and

[2:15:06] Voice 14: it's 346 now so this is

[2:15:09] Voice 14: great six since yesterday so we're looking at the four or five hundred which

[2:15:14] Voice 14: is a pretty high response rate

[2:15:16] Voice 10: encourage your friends to answer the uh the open response

[2:15:19] Voice 10: they're lower now

[2:15:22] Voice 14: i'm going to pass it over to peter who's going to speak to all the work that

[2:15:28] Voice 14: the advisory planning committee has been doing so i'll just give them a chair

[2:15:38] Voice 5: thanks

[2:15:39] Voice 13: for your warm cheers

[2:15:43] Voice 16: cushy chairs what the hell yeah

[2:15:45] Voice 14: i made the exactly the decision

[2:15:56] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:15:57] Voice 13: Well, the Employee Planning Committee, those

[2:16:01] Voice 19: are the members

[2:16:02] Voice 13: of the Employee Planning Committee.

[2:16:04] Voice 13: And they're all here, including Mary Beth Wondews online somewhere. Hi, Mary Beth.

[2:16:10] Voice 13: And as you can

[2:16:12] Voice 13: see, and many of you know us, we have the expertise in housing.

[2:16:19] Voice 13: We all live in a house.

[2:16:21] Voice 13: Mary Beth, who actually does.

[2:16:23] Voice 13: But I think the point of the advisory planning committee is to get a slice of the community, not necessarily experts.

[2:16:31] Voice 13: We're supposed to reflect the community views.

[2:16:35] Voice 13: And this is part of the feedback process, the public engagement.

[2:16:40] Voice 13: So it's just one of the avenues where the trust gets input.

[2:16:47] Voice 13: So a referral, what they asked us to do is review existing relevant reports and studies,

[2:16:55] Voice 13: including the housing toolkit, which is available online and is a very impressive document.

[2:17:01] Voice 13: It's, you know, a whole bunch of links and summaries of various important resources,

[2:17:07] Voice 13: which we've thrown over, I know you have, Julia,

[2:17:11] Voice 13: and so it's been really useful.

[2:17:14] Voice 13: And gather other information,

[2:17:17] Voice 13: which is including talking to people,

[2:17:20] Voice 13: and to provide the LPC with recommendations

[2:17:24] Voice 13: on how best to amend the OCP and potential land use bylaws

[2:17:29] Voice 13: to improve access to affordable housing under a penalty.

[2:17:34] Voice 13: So what have we done today?

[2:17:36] Voice 13: We've met over the summer and early fall, we've reviewed that toolkit, we've reviewed

[2:17:43] Voice 13: existing North Pender OCP and bylaws regarding housing, we've looked at initiatives and policies

[2:17:51] Voice 13: and regulations implemented in other local trust areas and there's some excellent work

[2:17:57] Voice 13: from Dunn. Maine certainly leading the way, Gabriola, Denman, they're ahead of us and they've

[2:18:06] Voice 13: done a lot of the work which is good because a lot of the things will apply here. We've considered

[2:18:15] Voice 13: implications of potential housing alternatives on water resources and the natural environment

[2:18:22] Voice 13: uh and we actually provided some input to the housing survey the lgc about adding or modifying

[2:18:29] Voice 13: some of the questions uh and we've met individually or in small groups with key individuals

[2:18:34] Voice 13: who have interest in expertise in other issues

[2:18:40] Voice 13: sort of our we sort of discussed a bit our general consideration before we started making

[2:18:45] Voice 13: making recommendations, and overriding all our recommendations will be making sure that

[2:18:52] Voice 13: they're in accordance with the Island Trust's principle mandate, which is to preserve and

[2:18:56] Voice 13: protect the natural environment of these unique islands.

[2:19:02] Voice 13: One thing, you know, the Island Trust was created because of Magic Lake Estates, which

[2:19:09] Voice 13: which was a gross increase in density but density doesn't necessarily increase the overall human

[2:19:19] Voice 13: impact on the land so i mean it's a bad word in some senses but density properly placed

[2:19:25] Voice 13: could actually decrease your impact so we have to consider that

[2:19:52] Voice 13: but any recommendations around density should be based on specific parameters including forest

[2:20:00] Voice 13: cover water availability septic capacity ecosystem value ecosystem preservation

[2:20:05] Voice 13: restoration plans and proximity to amenities so all of that should be covered in a project

[2:20:12] Voice 13: that's ongoing called the suitable land analysis and I understand it has been completed

[2:20:19] Voice 13: but it hasn't been, have you guys seen it? It's coming to them, some stout just slowed the work.

[2:20:26] Voice 13: Okay so that's going to be an important tool to look at as any of these recommendations are

[2:20:33] Voice 13: implemented. So the need as we see it is a diversity of housing options for seniors,

[2:20:42] Voice 13: Seniors, families, and workers do not currently own property.

[2:20:48] Voice 13: Interestingly, from Maine, we found that seniors who own property

[2:20:52] Voice 13: would like to downsize are an issue, right?

[2:20:56] Voice 13: And maybe that's that group that is uncertain about what happens

[2:21:00] Voice 13: if they lose their house.

[2:21:02] Voice 2: You

[2:21:02] Voice 13: know, they might want to rent or get something smaller on Pender Island,

[2:21:07] Voice 13: but they can't see that being possible.

[2:21:09] Voice 13: they only see being transported off island to a nursing home.

[2:21:14] Voice 13: So affordable, below market rental value is important.

[2:21:22] Voice 13: Affordable below market ownership,

[2:21:24] Voice 2: and

[2:21:25] Voice 13: maybe to a lesser extent,

[2:21:26] Voice 13: but also market rental housing.

[2:21:28] Voice 13: I think we need market rental housing on the island.

[2:21:31] Voice 13: You know, people, for some of those seniors,

[2:21:35] Voice 13: they would rather downsize and rent something.

[2:21:39] Voice 13: Doctors who come here to do locums, they can't find a place to rent.

[2:21:43] Voice 13: So even people who have the money can't find a place to rent.

[2:21:46] Voice 13: So even market rental is important, although below market rental and ownership are really the targets.

[2:21:56] Voice 13: So just to define affordable, BC Housing defines affordable as spending less than 30% of your household income towards housing, mortgage or rent.

[2:22:08] Voice 13: So on Pender, according to the 2021 census, only 12.6% of households were spending more than that.

[2:22:16] Voice 13: But there were, you know, 12% of our people were spending more money than is affordable.

[2:22:24] Voice 13: And of the renters, 30% were spending more than that.

[2:22:29] Voice 13: So 30% of renters had housing that was defined by abusing housing as unaffordable.

[2:22:38] Voice 13: Sorry, I should have put that again, 30% renters were spending more than 30% of your money.

[2:22:47] Voice 13: So what can the LTC do?

[2:22:49] Voice 13: Well, we've talked about what they can do.

[2:22:52] Voice 13: You don't produce housing, it's not in your job description.

[2:22:56] Voice 13: So creating below market rental and ownership requires money, big money from federal government,

[2:23:04] Voice 13: provincial and other sources.

[2:23:06] Voice 13: And what we need is community groups that are pushing that, and each of the islands have such groups.

[2:23:15] Voice 13: We have the BC Housing Society here, Maine Island has a housing society.

[2:23:19] Voice 13: These are concerned citizens, mostly non-profit organizations, who are trying to get money from these sources to build housing, right?

[2:23:31] Voice 13: So, as I said, we need community groups advocating for such funding.

[2:23:38] Voice 13: It's disappointing that nobody from the Andrew Island Housing Society is here.

[2:23:45] Voice 13: I don't know all the board members, but I don't think anybody's here.

[2:23:48] Voice 13: You'd think they would have been here, but anyway.

[2:23:52] Voice 13: So what the LTC needs to do is work with such groups to modify the regulatory impediments to such projects.

[2:24:00] Voice 13: I mean that's basically with your mandate that's what you can do and as I understand it on Maine

[2:24:08] Voice 13: maybe they can tell us about it you know the LTC is involved in Habitat for Humanity and

[2:24:13] Voice 13: actually engaging with some of these organizations that can provide subsidized housing. So

[2:24:24] Voice 13: we've just been coming up with preliminary possible recommendations

[2:24:28] Voice 13: I noticed that two adjuncts are preliminary possibilities, showing that it's just the beginning, right?

[2:24:35] Voice 13: None of this is part of the stone.

[2:24:38] Voice 13: So, and the recommendations we're coming up with are to address the immediate crisis, short-term,

[2:24:44] Voice 13: but recommendations that will provide long-term affordable and safe, secure housing are the best,

[2:24:50] Voice 13: and we're trying to come up with some of those.

[2:24:52] Voice 13: those and because, as Julia keeps pointing out to us, temporary measures are not always

[2:24:59] Voice 13: cost effective nor secure for the long term. So you can do something in short term that

[2:25:05] Voice 13: might not in long term. So some of our preliminary possible recommendations that the LTC lobby

[2:25:16] Voice 13: provincial government to extend the speculation and vacancy tax. Okay, so it's not in the

[2:25:21] Voice 13: power of the LTC to apply the vacancy tax but other islands have suggested this and if enough

[2:25:29] Voice 13: islands as you know the vacancy the island trust was made exempt from the vacancy right probably

[2:25:37] Voice 13: because of pressure from people who have cottages here they didn't want to pay more tax right

[2:25:42] Voice 13: are we aren't we as society in place where people who have second houses should be paying a little

[2:25:50] Voice 13: more tactics to support people who don't have them anyway um that the north vendor lpc model

[2:25:59] Voice 13: its housing plans on excellent work done on the south uh south coast islands especially the main

[2:26:06] Voice 13: island housing action plan which is in draft with which is available online you just have to look

[2:26:13] Voice 13: it up it's an excellent document okay and i think you know your budget i saw was only fifteen

[2:26:20] Voice 13: thousand dollars you can save a lot of money by using it um that they help you consider instituting

[2:26:30] Voice 13: something like a flexible housing option on the main island uh where additional secondary

[2:26:36] Voice 13: suites and cottages can be built on areas of the island close to amenities appropriately sized lots

[2:26:43] Voice 13: with a proven sufficient water so that suitability analysis will tell you where that could be done.

[2:26:52] Voice 13: I think the LTC increased options for additional residencies in all parts of the island by

[2:27:00] Voice 13: expanding types of properties where secondary suites and accessory dwellings, we're learning

[2:27:06] Voice 13: a new vocabulary, accessory dwelling, ADU. And there's some incentive, the government realized

[2:27:14] Voice 13: that you need an incentive to make a secondary suite, right? So the government has put forward

[2:27:21] Voice 13: an incentive to create a $40,000 forgivable loan if you create one of these secondary suites,

[2:27:30] Voice 13: and the suites have to be rented below market value for five years. That's what happens after

[2:27:35] Voice 13: five years is another question. So we suggest that the LTC permit the use of RVs and tiny

[2:27:47] Voice 13: homes as ADV. As we all know, tiny homes and RVs are increasingly used as primary dwellings

[2:27:56] Voice 13: uh on uh now the the ltc has has uh they're all against there's they're not um they're not legal

[2:28:08] Voice 13: but the the ltc has has deferred enforcement of this issue so the people out there living in

[2:28:16] Voice 13: trailers aren't being enforced being kicked out but they know that a change a simple change could

[2:28:25] Voice 13: could mean that they couldn't.

[2:28:28] Voice 13: So they're not going to spend a lot of money

[2:28:30] Voice 13: hooking up to sewage or fixing up that trailer

[2:28:33] Voice 13: because they're in limbo.

[2:28:36] Voice 13: So this feels in limbo and some islands made in Sojourner

[2:28:43] Voice 13: permit the use of RV as well as long as they have

[2:28:48] Voice 13: water supply and are connected to sewage.

[2:28:50] Voice 13: And I would suggest maybe even also have

[2:28:54] Voice 13: island health improved compost soil. So that's something to look into. So regularizing such

[2:29:04] Voice 13: dwellings will provide a short-term potential fix. We also thought that the Council should

[2:29:13] Voice 13: consider opting into the provincial term accommodation regulation for short-term

[2:29:20] Voice 13: rental and that is the um i think i get it right is that there uh the provincial regulation says

[2:29:29] Voice 13: that you cannot have a building with short-term rentals if you don't live in it and there are at

[2:29:35] Voice 13: least 10 properties on bender where there are short-term rentals and people don't the owners

[2:29:41] Voice 13: don't live there and they they have the they have temporary use permits to do that but adopting this

[2:29:49] Voice 13: This would allow them not to do that, and that will potentially free up 10 unions.

[2:30:00] Voice 13: clusters of manufactured

[2:30:02] Voice 13: tiny homes and mobile homes

[2:30:04] Voice 13: that meet provincial

[2:30:05] Voice 13: federal construction standards.

[2:30:08] Voice 13: Again, this would

[2:30:10] Voice 13: depend on where we'd have to

[2:30:11] Voice 13: depend on the suitable

[2:30:13] Voice 13: land use.

[2:30:16] Voice 13: We're meeting

[2:30:18] Voice 13: regularly. Our meeting is

[2:30:20] Voice 13: supposed to be open to the public.

[2:30:22] Voice 13: Nobody's come to any of our meetings

[2:30:24] Voice 13: yet.

[2:30:26] Voice 13: We welcome you to come. Our next one

[2:30:28] Voice 13: is at the Anglican Hall.

[2:30:29] Voice 13: on November 1st

[2:30:31] Voice 13: and you can come and

[2:30:32] Voice 13: add to this list

[2:30:34] Voice 13: potential preliminary

[2:30:38] Voice 13: suggestions.

[2:30:39] Voice 13: Potentially.

[2:30:41] Voice 16: Can we get on an email

[2:30:43] Voice 16: list for when these meetings are going to occur?

[2:30:47] Voice 13: How will we announce them?

[2:30:50] Voice 13: We post

[2:30:51] Voice 3: and post and post. You post them.

[2:30:53] Voice 3: I post them.

[2:30:55] Voice 3: Please put in day of the week.

[2:30:57] Voice 3: It's so important.

[2:30:59] Voice 3: something day of the week dates otherwise nobody has a image in their mind when they might go to

[2:31:05] Voice 3: that meeting what day is november 1st the friday

[2:31:08] Voice 3: that's what we friday november 1st yeah

[2:31:14] Voice 3: okay

[2:31:14] Voice 5: can i ask a couple

[2:31:19] Voice 10: questions sure

[2:31:22] Voice 10: um can you talk a little bit about how you guys are thinking about the safe and secure with

[2:31:28] Voice 10: respect to RVs because that's always been a concern for me like the the proposal that you

[2:31:33] Voice 10: have related to approving even on a short-term RV usage I don't mind suspending enforcement on it

[2:31:41] Voice 10: but approving them it makes a question in my mind about is it safe from a fire perspective from a

[2:31:48] Voice 10: like quality of housing and I understand there are different RV standards like there are mobile

[2:31:54] Voice 10: wild home type standards that are for season here then that's good but i worry about the ones that

[2:32:01] Voice 10: are not that standard so

[2:32:02] Voice 13: anything you happen to have an expert on this issue in the room yes i

[2:32:07] Voice 10: know

[2:32:07] Voice 13: but that's been

[2:32:08] Voice 10: always my concern the

[2:32:09] Voice 13: floor to rob yeah who

[2:32:12] Voice 13: has been advocating for this as a

[2:32:14] Voice 13: short-term solution can you address yeah

[2:32:17] Voice 20: um the the situation is the ones that are built from a

[2:32:22] Voice 20: standard which which are most of them not many mobile rvs tiny homes separate um but they're

[2:32:31] Voice 20: all built with standard they're supposed to have a co2 and a smoke alarm and this sort of thing

[2:32:36] Voice 20: and they're like any any other in your house you can have them but if they don't work they're

[2:32:42] Voice 20: useless so you have to make sure they are working and i don't think there's been uh i don't have

[2:32:49] Voice 20: full facts on this. Accidents with them where they're promptly looked after any more than

[2:32:55] Voice 20: house fires on a percentage. So I think it's a legitimate concern. I think it's one of

[2:33:01] Voice 20: those regulatory things. Make sure it's built to one of these 240 standards. And get the

[2:33:10] Voice 20: fire department to check them. I mean, that's what they do on a lot of things. And I think

[2:33:16] Voice 20: that answers that better question if i also would comment one of the reasons i've been pushing this

[2:33:24] Voice 20: is affordable housing it's not because it's great okay but it's better than living in a car living

[2:33:34] Voice 20: in a tent couch surfing or living in a basement suite that's formal and so the idea is when you

[2:33:43] Voice 20: you look at the cost of construction, all this is fine, but to get affordable housing,

[2:33:51] Voice 20: you are not going to get any BC housing or CMHC funding here. They just blanket turned

[2:33:58] Voice 20: it down. Okay. And so that is not on the table. So I've done housing for years. So the only

[2:34:10] Voice 20: you work backwards on it you're going to get land that's more affordable which is density and

[2:34:19] Voice 20: there's a whole issue is as you pointed out you're going to have density and what's the effect on the

[2:34:25] Voice 20: natural environment so that that's very critical to be worked out and the other thing is the form

[2:34:32] Voice 20: of housing tiny homes and rvs can be way more affordable okay so if my blunt comment if anybody

[2:34:43] Voice 20: in this room is thinking of doing what we roughly call affordable housing you've got to do those two

[2:34:50] Voice 20: things or otherwise it's a waste of time okay because the numbers don't work 400 bucks a foot

[2:34:56] Voice 20: foot to build if you can find a builder you know and and so that's why i've been pushing that and

[2:35:04] Voice 20: saying look let's let's accept the reality of this let's try and come up with some standards

[2:35:10] Voice 20: on this so that you there is proper sewage hookup you know there are proper water and stuff

[2:35:19] Voice 20: a location, the kind of lot where it's suitable, where it blends into the community, because

[2:35:27] Voice 20: they have a bad name, okay, and so in order to overcome that, it really has to be done

[2:35:34] Voice 20: properly, but it has to be done properly, in my view, in an affordable way, which it's

[2:35:41] Voice 20: It's not going

[2:35:42] Voice 20: to look after the very bottom, unlikely, because your book-up costs and your

[2:35:49] Voice 20: rental land costs are there, you're stuck with that, unless government would subsidize

[2:35:54] Voice 20: it.

[2:35:55] Voice 20: And we can all pray for that, but in the past it just hasn't happened.

[2:36:00] Voice 20: All these government programs, I have a list of them, most of them just don't apply here,

[2:36:05] Voice 20: they always exclude us, because there's a political perception, it's all rich people,

[2:36:09] Voice 20: Why would we give money to rich people?

[2:36:11] Voice 20: They sort of forget there's so much work you need to be doing.

[2:36:14] Voice 20: It's just regular folk here.

[2:36:16] Voice 20: So that's my view.

[2:36:19] Voice 20: And I agree that the CRD, Paul's alternate, needs to work closely with the trust to try and do things.

[2:36:28] Voice 20: There's a corrective point.

[2:36:30] Voice 20: You can only do certain things as far as the zoning.

[2:36:33] Voice 20: You can't do any of the other stuff.

[2:36:35] Voice 20: So I will be passing that comment on to Paul again, and I'm sure he'll get some reaction.

[2:36:45] Voice 20: But I would like us all to be realistic of what we can do in the time frame.

[2:36:52] Voice 20: The other thing is, if you want to do affordable housing, the difficulty with building, even if you could get the funding, it's two or three years down the road with stuff.

[2:37:03] Voice 20: But you're

[2:37:04] Voice 13: saying we can get CMHC and we see, well, I mean, they got 20, they got money

[2:37:11] Voice 13: to build 20 units on Galliano, why can't we?

[2:37:13] Voice 13: They did,

[2:37:14] Voice 20: and you're correct, sorry, I should have pointed that out.

[2:37:18] Voice 20: That project's been going for 20 years, called a huge amount of lobbying and pressure in

[2:37:26] Voice 20: order to do that, and my personal concern is it's going to be great housing.

[2:37:33] Voice 20: of housing we want but the cost per person compared to the need in my view is that a proportion now if

[2:37:42] Voice 20: you're on galliano and you're getting one of the food they're going to disagree quite properly so

[2:37:48] Voice 20: but to me that's the reality that's part of the problem my upper level government will say cost

[2:37:54] Voice 20: too much but

[2:37:55] Voice 13: you know we have to do both i think because i mean i'm back to julia's point we can't

[2:37:59] Voice 13: to short-term only we've got to think yeah and so if

[2:38:04] Voice 20: you if you do the trailers rbs and the tiny

[2:38:09] Voice 20: homes properly that'll fit in because if you look up around the nymo there's huge rv parks huge

[2:38:18] Voice 20: number of people staying there and the only issue is they got a six-month thing that everybody's

[2:38:22] Voice 20: going around people are staying there and it's not the best housing but compared to everything

[2:38:29] Voice 20: anything else, I suggest it could be acceptable, but it has

[2:38:34] Voice 20: to be done right.

[2:38:37] Voice 20: Can

[2:38:38] Voice 10: we just take a five minute break? We just take a quick five

[2:38:41] Voice 10: minute break. Sorry.

[2:38:45] Voice 10: So

[2:38:45] Trustee Maude: we're just gonna take a five minute break. That's okay.

[2:38:52] Voice 10: Yeah, and I want to come back to something.

[2:48:13] Voice 12: issue all right yeah but yeah i didn't i didn't i didn't get that we are

[2:48:17] Trustee Maude: so

[2:48:18] Voice 4: are we finished

[2:48:30] Voice 16: fire is one thing but the there's a there's a very big difference between what what used

[2:48:38] Voice 16: to be called mobile homes or park models which are in reality they're homes they just happen to be

[2:48:47] Voice 16: built on a platform that enables them to relocate but campers and trailers are are

[2:48:55] Voice 16: an entirely different use by their very nature they cannot be safe for four season use it's

[2:49:02] Voice 16: not possible they are mold traps the insulation in the walls and windows cannot meet

[2:49:08] Voice 16: uh the dew point and the the um the hygiene requirements uh of a space that is cold on the

[2:49:16] Voice 16: outside and warm on the inside it cannot the temperature surface temperature the humidity

[2:49:22] Voice 16: it it is a breeding ground a factory for moldability so that kind of uh and in a case

[2:49:31] Voice 16: like this where people are probably going to be bringing their own campers and things like that

[2:49:35] Voice 16: as this part of this solution you have no idea what state they're in what age they're in but they

[2:49:40] Voice 16: are uh living in them under uh conditions permanently is it is a health hazard death trap

[2:49:49] Voice 16: if they cannot be done in this climate

[2:49:52] Voice 10: yeah so the i i have been involved in conversations with

[2:49:56] Voice 10: other trustees around sort of some of the building code related things with tiny homes and rvs

[2:50:01] Voice 10: and like where is the boundary between that so i've learned the time in the last year around that

[2:50:05] Voice 10: yeah um

[2:50:05] Voice 10: so and that's where my that's the boundary where my concern is um

[2:50:09] Voice 10: so i think that is part of

[2:50:11] Voice 10: the conversation and it's something that um i don't know if we have in the past or not or when

[2:50:17] Voice 10: we have the housing report if we want to extend the invite to the crd to attend that meeting

[2:50:23] Voice 10: because i it definitely there's a we're hitting the boundary between the crd and us yeah like so

[2:50:28] Voice 10: it would that's really the crds like yeah we we could zone land for a certain use in a certain

[2:50:33] Voice 10: thing you know capacity but the housing has to meet the crd quality boundaries and that's their

[2:50:39] Voice 10: responsibility to do health standards as

[2:50:41] Voice 16: an issue whether it's i mean obviously things like that are

[2:50:46] Voice 16: cannot be viewed as a permanent solution yeah it's

[2:50:50] Voice 16: just a non-starter but even a temporary solution

[2:50:52] Voice 16: a couple of years which we know is not reality as you cannot get this solution solved in a couple

[2:51:00] Voice 16: years so people living full-term in campers is going to be a health and hygiene issue

[2:51:09] Voice 20: um with all respect i totally disagree with you i appreciate the fact that there are

[2:51:16] Voice 20: there are some issues and ask me to look after i've been living in one for the last two years

[2:51:27] Voice 20: and maybe it's

[2:51:29] Voice 20: I'm ruining my argument

[2:51:31] Voice 20: how are you dealing with the mold

[2:51:36] Voice 20: I've got a bit of mold

[2:51:38] Voice 20: it's

[2:51:39] Voice 20: it is I agree with you

[2:51:41] Voice 20: completely it's an issue

[2:51:43] Voice 20: it has to be looked after

[2:51:44] Voice 20: there are aspects to it

[2:51:46] Voice 20: I lived on a sailboat for 13 years

[2:51:49] Voice 20: if you want mold and dam

[2:51:51] Voice 20: and there's a marina

[2:51:53] Voice 20: on the south side of Falls Creek

[2:51:54] Voice 20: I got involved in housing 50 years ago

[2:51:57] Voice 20: and it's all people living on boats full-time who have been there for a long time so it's it's not

[2:52:05] Voice 20: i i disagree with you long term but i do agree with you it has to be looked at carefully and

[2:52:10] Voice 20: properly and and if you look at a lot of our parks there's a huge number of people living that way

[2:52:17] Voice 20: and i think it can be improved but i don't think it should be automatically a recent

[2:52:24] Voice 20: for signal. Rob, is yours

[2:52:26] Voice 7: an RV or is it a tiny house? It's a fifth wheel. Oh, okay. So for some

[2:52:33] Voice 7: reason I thought you had got a tiny home. The

[2:52:35] Voice 10: other thing that I would love the APC to consider

[2:52:40] Voice 10: as you sort of move forward on your thoughts is the conversations with VHA in the six years that

[2:52:45] Voice 10: I've been a trustee have radically changed because VHA is starting to get

[2:52:49] Voice 3: more

[2:52:50] Voice 10: thoughtful about how

[2:52:52] Voice 10: how do we handle multifamily residentially zoned water systems?

[2:52:58] Voice 10: Because that's been a problem, right?

[2:53:00] Voice 10: So historically, and I think still,

[2:53:03] Voice 10: we need to have some kind of entity

[2:53:05] Voice 10: that holds the legal liability for the water quality.

[2:53:08] Voice 10: So like a housing society or something

[2:53:11] Voice 10: that holds the liability for ensuring

[2:53:13] Voice 10: that the water quality is maintained in rural areas,

[2:53:15] Voice 10: because there's no,

[2:53:16] Voice 10: if it's not a water conservation district,

[2:53:18] Voice 10: like magically, which holds the liability for the water, right?

[2:53:21] Voice 10: Right. So that's the challenge that we've hit with VEHA.

[2:53:23] Voice 10: They would not approve rainwater caching, for instance.

[2:53:28] Voice 10: They wouldn't approve for multifamily residential because there's no liability holder for the water quality.

[2:53:34] Voice 10: And so that is an issue that now we're getting somewhere, I think, with options for how to handle that.

[2:53:41] Voice 10: It's not an automatic no anymore. There is like pilots and ways to go.

[2:53:45] Voice 12: And

[2:53:45] Voice 10: I would love to see that on tender as some combination of what all this is.

[2:53:53] Voice 13: Sewage is

[2:53:53] Voice 10: a little more manageable, I think, but it's related, so sewage and water, but

[2:53:58] Voice 10: sewage is a little more of the land use problem of how does the environment absorb that and

[2:54:05] Voice 10: manage that.

[2:54:07] Voice 10: It's

[2:54:08] Voice 12: a little bit easier,

[2:54:08] Voice 10: but from my understanding, the barrier was water, not necessarily sewer.

[2:54:14] Voice 10: Sewer was easier to work out.

[2:54:15] Voice 10: The barrier was water.

[2:54:17] Voice 5: Sewer, I think, composted previously.

[2:54:19] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:54:20] Voice 10: that's it. Yeah. But yes, that was

[2:54:25] Voice 4: for you.

[2:54:41] Voice 4: Sorry.

[2:54:42] Voice 10: Yes. Is it congratulations or condolences?

[2:54:45] Voice 10: Yeah. All

[2:54:48] Voice 5: right. So our, our,

[2:54:51] Voice 5: oh just

[2:54:52] Voice 9: um i just want to say that working with this apc has been just an honor the people i work

[2:55:01] Voice 9: with are very knowledgeable and i am learning so much and uh trying to catch up and that's

[2:55:09] Voice 9: i just need to say a few things the speculation tax that goes into the general revenue which

[2:55:16] Voice 9: which, you know, if we put it in, we should get that money.

[2:55:19] Voice 9: And I keep on being involved in this.

[2:55:23] Voice 9: I want safe, affordable housing for all my kids,

[2:55:29] Voice 9: all the children and all the minimum wage people.

[2:55:33] Voice 9: And the trust's limitations on that are massive

[2:55:39] Voice 9: because they're only land use, basically.

[2:55:42] Voice 9: But there is a role to play.

[2:55:44] Voice 9: and also keeping in the mandate of looking after the environment is really good now the bylaws

[2:55:53] Voice 9: um trying to negotiate them i think it would be that they're they're in the it's in the ocp and

[2:56:03] Voice 9: in the bylaws but they're not easy to read and it i would really like to see clear just a couple of

[2:56:11] Voice 9: pages this is what you can do and this is what you can't do it's very confusing right now um

[2:56:17] Voice 9: you're saying something i was

[2:56:19] Voice 7: just gonna say i actually had an experience with that that burned

[2:56:22] Voice 7: me though because the plain language bylaw that i made some decisions based on when you got down

[2:56:31] Voice 7: to the hard tax of what it was i wasn't actually allowed to do right

[2:56:37] Voice 9: and lost so i understand it's

[2:56:40] Voice 9: It's

[2:56:40] Voice 7: been written by the

[2:56:40] Voice 9: lawyers, the legal document,

[2:56:42] Voice 9: and the minute you simplify it, you can really see the effect of it.

[2:56:47] Voice 9: So it's no small ask, but I'm still going to ask.

[2:56:52] Voice 9: I'm with you.

[2:56:53] Voice 4: Because of all the

[2:56:54] Voice 6: tools, you

[2:56:56] Voice 9: cannot say,

[2:56:58] Voice 6: yes, you're allowed to do this.

[2:57:00] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:57:01] Voice 9: it would be nice.

[2:57:02] Voice 9: It's something to teach for.

[2:57:04] Voice 9: But if it could be somehow simplified and communicated, and I think these trustees have been big on trying to do things with communication and clarity and education, but there's not enough consistency.

[2:57:28] Voice 9: and there's fluffy language that you know should be encouraged or can do this it should be should

[2:57:36] Voice 9: do things and I think there's way too many temporary lease permits this is this is me

[2:57:42] Voice 9: talking not my advisor and I just want to say that in your survey somebody said there was one

[2:57:56] Voice 9: where about 60 percent of the people were interested in um in affordable housing that

[2:58:04] Voice 9: that's uh that that's very positive for me to just to hear that um the other question that i

[2:58:12] Voice 9: have is around density um and i have this feeling that money keeps going up to the wealthy all the

[2:58:19] Voice 9: the time. And what is density going to do? Is it going to increase density? Is it going to

[2:58:27] Voice 9: increase price? And I know some people, if they could rent, it would be a mortgage helper. So

[2:58:34] Voice 9: I'm struggling with these questions is what I'm saying.

[2:58:39] Voice 17: Thank you.

[2:58:41] Voice 4: Can I have a red?

[2:58:44] Voice 4: Shoot for it.

[2:58:46] Voice 4: That's what we're here for.

[2:58:48] Voice 4: Awesome.

[2:58:50] Voice 15: At some point it was mentioned, I

[2:58:56] Voice 16: didn't prepare for this at all.

[2:59:00] Voice 16: I think I gleaned somewhere that is there any sort of, in the OCP or anything, a delineation of where we stop?

[2:59:15] Voice 16: like yeah

[2:59:16] Voice 4: so as

[2:59:18] Voice 16: i as i say to people we could in principle keep building and building and building

[2:59:22] Voice 16: because as they say you know if you build it they will keep going we keep addressing we have

[2:59:27] Voice 16: how it is in the shortage and so we build more houses and that's great and then people come

[2:59:32] Voice 16: and they have jobs and so forth and then uh oh but now we don't know anything we keep going

[2:59:37] Voice 16: we can build literally until our technology said no can't go any higher that's it you cannot and

[2:59:44] Voice 16: And then we would be forced to stop.

[2:59:46] Voice 16: But is there a plan?

[2:59:48] Voice 2: Because

[2:59:48] Voice 16: your mandate precludes that.

[2:59:52] Voice 16: But at this point, I'm not seeing anything that says we have to iron out all these issues to get to this point.

[3:00:00] Voice 16: where basically we become an exclusive community,

[3:00:03] Voice 16: which is if we want to preserve this

[3:00:05] Voice 16: and not become like every other bloody place in the world,

[3:00:09] Voice 16: that is the essential outcome.

[3:00:12] Voice 16: We have to stop.

[3:00:13] Voice 16: You can't have nature,

[3:00:15] Voice 16: and you cannot sustain development on a rock.

[3:00:18] Voice 16: You can't do it.

[3:00:19] Voice 16: We look at places like Oya, I think, on Santorini.

[3:00:27] Voice 16: It's that beautiful white town with the blue sails

[3:00:30] Voice 16: and blue grooves looking down over the caldera it used to be a fishing village it is now disneyland

[3:00:36] Voice 16: nobody lives there in the world there's a handful of um caretakers and that's it entirely given over

[3:00:44] Voice 16: to tourism and even today in the paper in the paper that's so quite remember

[3:00:51] Voice 15: when i was your age

[3:00:54] Voice 15: there was

[3:00:56] Voice 16: an article just today there's almost every week about the protests in spain about

[3:01:00] Voice 16: over tourism and one of my issues is is we address all of these issues temporary solutions for

[3:01:08] Voice 16: affordable housing and housing accessibility great until we solve the temporary issue but

[3:01:15] Voice 16: a temporary issue doesn't go away because the needle all over the van i should say

[3:01:19] Voice 16: will always be there um stvrs we have managed tourism for 100 years ish in the world and

[3:01:35] Voice 16: coincidentally the shortage of housing has been building over the last 10 years right when airbnb

[3:01:43] Voice 15: started

[3:01:44] Voice 16: to get going i've lived here for 20 over 20 years my family's only probably lived here for

[3:01:50] Voice 16: almost 40 years and there was always housing available for rental you shipped it around as

[3:01:55] Voice 16: everybody did and then when airbnb kicked off that diminished and the problem with stvrs

[3:02:01] Voice 16: unlike regular housing where you've got a supply and a demand and when someone moves away

[3:02:08] Voice 16: the demand goes down but the supply remains basically the same with an stvr the demand goes

[3:02:15] Voice 16: up because you've evicted someone and the supply goes down because you've removed a home from the

[3:02:20] Voice 16: market so it's a double whammy and this is happening all over the world partly because

[3:02:25] Voice 16: we've got emerging economies like china and india where a lot more people have a lot more money to

[3:02:30] Voice 16: travel but if the accommodation wasn't there they couldn't go so all these problems with

[3:02:38] Voice 16: over tourism we're seeing is because stvrs and tourism by its very nature in general is insidious

[3:02:45] Voice 16: It's anybody can, even though there's regulations in place,

[3:02:50] Voice 16: anybody can and does set up an STVR at any time,

[3:02:55] Voice 16: at any moment, with minimal cost.

[3:02:59] Voice 16: They just put some furniture in it, sign up on Airbnb,

[3:03:02] Voice 16: and you've got an STVR.

[3:03:03] Voice 16: There's no way of restricting the enormous volume of tourism

[3:03:09] Voice 16: and the impact that has on the local housing.

[3:03:14] Voice 16: it drives up housing prices in real estate because houses now become a commodity uh sorry a revenue

[3:03:19] Voice 16: generating business it drives up rent because why would i rent my house long term for 1500 bucks a

[3:03:25] Voice 16: month when i can get 1500 bucks a week uh and it drives up demand it reduces supply i think a lot

[3:03:32] Voice 16: of our problems not just pender in the gold funds but everywhere is because of stvs they should just

[3:03:37] Voice 16: to simply be banned if you're not a dedicated you know hotel motel uh business dedicated

[3:03:45] Voice 16: they should be banned not legal bmbs that's a whole different beast you like what stvrs uh

[3:03:51] Voice 16: i think you mentioned that the somebody somebody said that the owners are supposed to be living

[3:03:58] Voice 16: in the house so that's a bmb yeah no problem with that and then of course there's all the

[3:04:04] Voice 16: spin-offs about noise complaints and the impact it has on immediate neighbors but as far as

[3:04:09] Voice 16: housing goes and this notion that we can support insidious stvrs and just keep developing

[3:04:19] Voice 16: building more houses let's subdivide and put up apartment buildings this place will be ruined

[3:04:24] Voice 16: before you know it yeah

[3:04:27] Voice 10: do we have any information related to the abc because this is a question that

[3:04:31] Voice 10: been reading a little bit on too to try and understand like because i don't i actually don't

[3:04:36] Voice 10: know like what the answer is i i logically i hear you i'm just wondering if there's data that and on

[3:04:42] Voice 10: any of this one

[3:04:43] Voice 16: tiny little just anecdote uh you mentioned that there were 10 of these tbrs on

[3:04:48] Voice 16: there and not 10. there are people who registered yes there's a whole lot more than that yeah

[3:04:54] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:04:55] Voice 13: Well, there are. I mean, there are cases that have temporary use for years where they don't live on the site.

[3:05:03] Voice 13: Yes.

[3:05:06] Voice 13: Or is it a provincial study going on to find them all? And I think the trust can find out from that provincial study and get the data on the ones that are, you know.

[3:05:19] Voice 13: Yes.

[3:05:20] Voice 13: but to come back to yeah i mean you're you're right

[3:05:27] Voice 4: what are you

[3:05:30] Voice 7: doing on november 1st

[3:05:34] Voice 13: you you brought up initially the thing about uh when do you stop well a build out analysis

[3:05:42] Voice 13: which is something that we've learned about can be done a build-out analysis case that was

[3:05:49] Voice 13: and says, okay, given the presence of the zoning, if everybody built to what the zoning says,

[3:05:56] Voice 13: what would, where would we be? That would be a very useful saying, because if that looked like

[3:06:04] Voice 13: it was too many people, we could say, okay, you can't do any more sub-dividing, because

[3:06:09] Voice 13: the build-up analysis tells you that there's, that we're folk, potentially folk. Now, Brad,

[3:06:17] Voice 13: Brad, we asked Brad, when's the

[3:06:19] Voice 13: building analysis going to be done?

[3:06:21] Voice 13: It apparently takes some time.

[3:06:23] Voice 14: Is it a bad thing?

[3:06:24] Voice 14: It is a complex piece, but one like I said earlier,

[3:06:29] Voice 14: we're down a staff member in our GIS department,

[3:06:31] Voice 14: so that's the person that was working on it

[3:06:34] Voice 14: is no longer employed at the trust, so that's...

[3:06:37] Voice 14: But it is a complex exercise of putting all those GIS layers together

[3:06:44] Voice 14: and then interpreting, trying to interpret them

[3:06:46] Voice 14: to come up with what weight you know how things weighted uh so it's not part of our present

[3:06:57] Voice 14: project for north bender it is and staff are working on it and it will be coming to the local

[3:07:04] Voice 14: trust committee soon for their review and then it will be available to the public in the abc

[3:07:08] Voice 14: it's

[3:07:09] Voice 1: just that work

[3:07:10] Voice 14: would probably be done already except we've run into like physical

[3:07:13] Voice 14: staffing challenges. So that work is in like a late review stage so it's getting near the end

[3:07:19] Voice 14: and I would think that by like the new year sometime early in the new year that that

[3:07:26] Voice 14: information will be available and any recommendations that you have like we talked

[3:07:29] Voice 14: about could be could be shaped around the importance and need to be considering that

[3:07:35] Voice 14: land suitability analysis. For example

[3:07:37] Voice 14: if you're looking to create higher density well then your

[3:07:40] Voice 14: recommendations should um include that and then when we get farther along into the action planning

[3:07:47] Voice 14: step which i think will start to happen new year i would encourage the as we talked about the apc

[3:07:53] Voice 14: we continue to be involved and support that because the more grassroots the development

[3:07:58] Voice 14: of that plan is and i mean uh this is a better audience than we've had uh up to now and so

[3:08:05] Voice 14: hopefully you know we're still pretty early in this project you can build more and more momentum

[3:08:09] Voice 14: as a community to get behind some of these action plan tasks so the suitability analysis

[3:08:15] Voice 14: information is super super useful and i don't think it's too late to incorporate it in a real

[3:08:23] Voice 14: way really quick

[3:08:25] Voice 10: clarification quick clarification so we're talking about build out and land

[3:08:32] Voice 10: suitability and i don't think yes i don't think there's

[3:08:36] Voice 14: you know with respect backing way off

[3:08:38] Voice 14: with respect to the points around the OCP around uh is there a cap to density well your OCP does

[3:08:45] Voice 14: have policies that in a sense uh restricts you know uh increased density without amendments to

[3:08:54] Voice 14: the plan so unlike Saterna where there's you know like a strict cap of density increase there's not

[3:09:00] Voice 14: that here but there are provisions within your OCP as all local governments do to help shape

[3:09:07] Voice 14: how that density evolves and to protect some long, massive expansion.

[3:09:14] Trustee Maude: So we have two more speakers.

[3:09:15] Trustee Maude: I'm going to move on to the next part of this meeting.

[3:09:18] Trustee Maude: So go ahead, Matt.

[3:09:21] Voice 3: Forty years ago, when we were doing an OCP review,

[3:09:24] Voice 3: Peter Campbell worked out density as was.

[3:09:28] Voice 3: It's 5,000 people.

[3:09:31] Voice 3: We are nowhere near it yet.

[3:09:33] Voice 3: Wait for it, folks.

[3:09:34] Voice 3: So if you want to increase density, think about 5,000 people or what we're going to get with the subdivision we've got now.

[3:09:42] Voice 4: Yeah, that's it.

[3:09:43] Voice 3: So that's it.

[3:09:43] Voice 3: And that might not be accurate.

[3:09:45] Voice 3: It's probably not scientific.

[3:09:46] Voice 3: But Peter Campbell took the trouble to work that out in an OCP review 40 years ago.

[3:09:54] Voice 3: 3,400.

[3:09:56] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:09:57] Voice 3: It was 3,400.

[3:09:58] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:09:58] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[3:09:59] Trustee Maude: So that was it.

[3:10:00] Trustee Maude: That's

[3:10:01] Voice 3: build out.

[3:10:02] Trustee Maude: That's build out.

[3:10:03] Trustee Maude: Okay, so we will conclude with this discussion.

[3:10:06] Trustee Maude: We've got to move on.

[3:10:07] Voice 19: Last trustee term, I asked our council to consider,

[3:10:12] Voice 19: because we have had a crisis of where to put various community communities

[3:10:17] Voice 19: and housing is certainly one of them.

[3:10:19] Voice 19: I asked our council to consider what I call a community benefit land trust.

[3:10:25] Voice 19: And the trust itself, council can own land, buy this land through the nation,

[3:10:31] Voice 19: through whatever, and then assign it to, or a stewardship to the LCCs, and that would

[3:10:38] Voice 19: enable a split of a parcel for environmental protection for some sort of service and for

[3:10:47] Voice 19: housing, and that model really would address the crisis in how do we afford the land, which

[3:10:54] Voice 19: is one of the questions you've mentioned.

[3:10:58] Voice 19: How to build a house, yes, that's another problem, but there are two.

[3:11:01] Voice 19: So let's get one of those elements.

[3:11:04] Voice 19: And the Trust Programs Committee has that on their agenda.

[3:11:08] Voice 19: They have never done anything with it.

[3:11:11] Trustee Maude: Okay, so one tiny little comment.

[3:11:13] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:11:14] Voice 3: Well, I work as a realtor here for about 10 years,

[3:11:17] Voice 3: and I've been able to watch where and what's happening with homes,

[3:11:23] Voice 3: particularly rental.

[3:11:24] Voice 3: So I think a lot of rents are going to be for new people,

[3:11:28] Voice 3: family-owned or locally-owned investments.

[3:11:31] Voice 3: When they sold, they sold to people who moved here and could live here.

[3:11:36] Voice 3: Basically, they became a telecommunity, and now that's happened.

[3:11:40] Voice 3: What happened is the child's workforce moving here, living in the home that used to be rental,

[3:11:46] Voice 3: and they have professional jobs, so they're making professional income,

[3:11:50] Voice 3: and it's changed our community in a certain way.

[3:11:54] Voice 3: So it's like the rentals disappeared, not just a short-term vacation rental at all.

[3:11:59] Voice 3: There's too many people living there.

[3:12:01] Voice 4: yeah

[3:12:01] Voice 3: and not working in the community but still working with in an upset job okay thank you

[3:12:08] Voice 3: yeah all right

[3:12:17] Voice 3: and then just go to the sdk situation knowing people that do that i don't think that if they

[3:12:26] Voice 3: did a short-term vacation rental they wouldn't necessarily put it on the market for rent

[3:12:31] Voice 3: And they wouldn't necessarily sell it.

[3:12:33] Voice 3: They just won't do it because it's a family home.

[3:12:35] Voice 3: It's something that they want to use.

[3:12:37] Voice 3: So renting it out isn't a viable option.

[3:12:42] Voice 10: Yeah, and the STVR thing is a little bit more complex

[3:12:44] Voice 10: because the ones that are on short-term,

[3:12:47] Voice 10: that's the situation where if people aren't living here,

[3:12:50] Voice 10: but they're on whatever it's called, the temporary use permit.

[3:12:56] Voice 10: But if people are living here, anybody who owns a house here

[3:13:00] Voice 10: can short-term vacation rental in their house

[3:13:02] Voice 10: and that's actually not a sure the tbp that's just allowed in there so if you

[3:13:06] Voice 10: have a house

[3:13:07] Voice 10: and you're living in the house you can also short-term vacation that's a different situation

[3:13:12] Voice 10: all right you just can't have a suite you can't that's right you're not a secondary

[3:13:18] Voice 10: suite that says to be our by our rules i don't think but better no

[3:13:23] Voice 15: you can okay

[3:13:25] Voice 14: so i just have a few concluding slides here about on the action planning process and really

[3:13:32] Voice 14: the last part of our meeting is really

[3:13:35] Voice 14: just a discussion around that

[3:13:37] Voice 14: and I think we can continue just to have

[3:13:39] Voice 1: this

[3:13:39] Voice 14: conversation that we're having. If anyone

[3:13:41] Voice 14: has any other questions or comments

[3:13:42] Voice 14: let me say

[3:13:45] Voice 14: you're both a bit dark in here.

[3:13:48] Voice 13: I just want to

[3:13:49] Voice 13: say that Rob Barker was on the

[3:13:51] Voice 13: ABC and he designed that

[3:13:53] Voice 13: prestigious position to take

[3:13:55] Voice 13: the job he has now.

[3:13:57] Voice 10: What's up with that?

[3:14:00] Voice 13: Totally

[3:14:04] Voice 5: the

[3:14:04] Voice 10: good news is i think robin advocate for our provincial housing needs now

[3:14:10] Voice 7: you were supposed to just go sailing

[3:14:21] Voice 14: now you're the most important man in dc

[3:14:24] Voice 14: yeah

[3:14:24] Voice 3: yes

[3:14:26] Voice 14: you could be

[3:14:27] Voice 14: you could be yeah

[3:14:28] Voice 3: oh yeah that's right

[3:14:30] Voice 14: so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna walk through these

[3:14:34] Voice 14: last slides about uh uh action planning uh this is really i think the next step in this project

[3:14:42] Voice 14: again can't emphasize enough how much work the apc has done and you can see it reflected in

[3:14:48] Voice 14: their presentation and their ability to respond to your questions today so lots of good horsepower

[3:14:54] Voice 14: power there and so the next step would be uh taking all of these ideas and creating an action

[3:15:02] Voice 14: plan so here uh using that the the template the toolkit template and it's not rocket science it's

[3:15:11] Voice 14: essentially goals and objectives and actions that fall underneath those goals uh at some point i

[3:15:17] Voice 14: think there's a lot to work on probably you know if you look at these lists they're not that

[3:15:21] Voice 14: different from each other and they're probably not that different than what's important to the

[3:15:27] Voice 14: residents of north pender island as well and so i don't think that we're having to kind of reinvent

[3:15:34] Voice 14: anything there's a lot to work on here and it will just take some efforts and some crafting

[3:15:41] Voice 14: to make it pender specific but there's a lot to build on and again we're not going to be reading

[3:15:49] Voice 14: these, but this is what we're trying to get to. So, your goals and your underlying actions

[3:15:58] Voice 14: below that. Here's an implementation table. So, here's the main island. Trustee Mago,

[3:16:16] Voice 14: of course, will be our Chair Mago. We're, of course, very familiar with this. This is

[3:16:20] Voice 14: is the same community but so really I think we could take this document and put Pender Island

[3:16:28] Voice 14: on the top and then start from there largely almost editing versus starting new with obviously

[3:16:37] Voice 14: reflecting the values and inputs and things that are important to Pender Island of course

[3:16:44] Voice 14: every island is different but in Maine and Pender there's probably a lot of similarities as well

[3:16:49] Voice 14: in particular those two islands maybe versus galliano or some of these other islands that

[3:16:55] Voice 14: have quite a bit different demographic so you've just got some uh overarching uh background

[3:17:01] Voice 14: information goals and objectives it's not a huge document it's not overwhelming and there aren't a

[3:17:12] Voice 14: huge number of goals and then really the the meat of uh the plan of course are these tables that

[3:17:20] Voice 14: that actually describe the actions

[3:17:23] Voice 14: and who's working on them, the timing of them.

[3:17:26] Voice 14: And this template is now in three or four

[3:17:31] Voice 14: at least local trust committees.

[3:17:33] Voice 14: So we're getting to where we're having

[3:17:35] Voice 14: a more consistent approach.

[3:17:38] Voice 14: And you know, that always reflects well

[3:17:39] Voice 14: when we go to senior government, for example,

[3:17:41] Voice 14: advocating for funding or for changes

[3:17:44] Voice 14: in the Islands Trust Act, for example,

[3:17:46] Voice 14: to allow us to do something different around housing.

[3:17:49] Voice 14: So that's all I wanted to say there and really this last 15 or 20 minutes I think we can just spend the key of any other questions or comments.

[3:18:00] Voice 14: Rob, I'd be interested in your views around modular housing and how that might be a solution in terms of what your thoughts are on like modular prefab housing as a way to reduce costs.

[3:18:13] Voice 14: while also reducing risk of what, like a more portable structure?

[3:18:21] Voice 20: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

[3:18:24] Voice 20: It's an interesting alternate,

[3:18:27] Voice 20: and the costs are higher than some of these other ones,

[3:18:33] Voice 20: but they're more permanent,

[3:18:35] Voice 20: and they have definitely a lot of benefits.

[3:18:39] Voice 20: The building department, I think,

[3:18:40] Voice 20: is going to insist on foundations and all all those requirements which just adds to the cost

[3:18:47] Voice 20: yeah so it depends on what your goal is to what income level housing you want and because it's

[3:18:56] Voice 20: just one they're more expensive and two you have foundation issues which just adds to it but they

[3:19:04] Voice 20: They are, in my view, a very important part of the overall

[3:19:12] Voice 20: line of policy.

[3:19:14] Voice 10: Is there a way for us to advocate to CRD or to, like,

[3:19:20] Voice 10: building, BC building more generally,

[3:19:22] Voice 10: for, like, screw foundations, like, you know,

[3:19:24] Voice 10: those pillar foundations?

[3:19:26] Voice 5: Just from the

[3:19:27] Voice 10: perspective, just one additional comment

[3:19:29] Voice 10: on that first.

[3:19:30] Voice 10: Because I know from various First Nations, like,

[3:19:33] Voice 10: feedback that we've had that digging foundations for foundations in many areas is like actually

[3:19:38] Voice 10: something they don't so like like the smaller footprint for a foundation either a wall or

[3:19:43] Voice 10: screw foundations i just wonder about that i don't know i'm not an engineer

[3:19:47] Voice 20: part of the difficulty is as soon as you get involved with the building department

[3:19:53] Voice 20: they have all their own rules and and it's very technical and they're in my experience

[3:20:05] Voice 7: I was just going to say, so I was one of the trustees involved in putting together the tiny house package that went, was taken to UBCM and talked about, and then also came forward at the last trust council.

[3:20:22] Voice 7: And one of the sort of the reasons that I got involved in it is I was in construction predominantly through my 20s and 30s.

[3:20:32] Voice 7: and in the okanagan we had a regional exemption for certain parts of the bc building code and

[3:20:38] Voice 7: when i started to dig into that as a possibility for something to have happened in the southern

[3:20:43] Voice 7: gulf islands there is three levels to the bc building code and there's sort of the hard

[3:20:49] Voice 7: this is the bc building code there is uh exceptions that are allowable like exceptions

[3:20:56] Voice 7: that would be like a regional exemption that allows it.

[3:20:59] Voice 7: And then there is a Division C, it's called.

[3:21:02] Voice 7: So there's the A, B, and C.

[3:21:03] Voice 7: And Division C is the way I understand it

[3:21:07] Voice 7: and sort of we've kind of gone forward with it

[3:21:10] Voice 7: is that this is something that if you more on a local level

[3:21:15] Voice 7: with your building inspector

[3:21:16] Voice 7: and this is where the conversation needs to happen with the CRD,

[3:21:21] Voice 7: If you can show the reasonableness of using something that is not currently accepted as the common practice or the alternate, but that will provide the same standard that A and B have, that you can actually get traction with those ideas.

[3:21:46] Voice 7: is and that's where the modular home specific tiny houses can be built to a modular home not

[3:21:59] Voice 7: a mobile home standard but a modular home standard for quite a bit less than a regular house and the

[3:22:06] Voice 7: biggest issue to them at the end of the day becomes that they're on wheels instead of on a

[3:22:10] Voice 7: foundation because you're getting a built house that is built to a to an actual housing type

[3:22:18] Voice 7: standard addressing a lot of the condensation issues the insulation issues all of that

[3:22:25] Voice 7: and where we really end up at the end of the day is on what type of foundation it's going to end up

[3:22:31] Voice 7: on

[3:22:31] Voice 16: exactly what you were saying with part c that you the basically you can prove that you're going

[3:22:39] Voice 16: to get the same result yeah and one of the flexibilities is in the code you have minimum

[3:22:43] Voice 16: room sizes and that's one of the issues that is with tiny but if you can say or any individual

[3:22:48] Voice 16: and you can prove that a smaller space is going to be safe and capital they're fine with that yes

[3:22:56] Voice 16: foundations is a whole other issue because we live in the highest lateral or seismic yeah zoning

[3:23:01] Voice 16: and

[3:23:02] Voice 16: right two issues with the screw pilings is one that you have to have something you can screw

[3:23:05] Voice 16: them into we live on a rock right so

[3:23:07] Voice 16: there's very few areas that you could actually use them on the

[3:23:11] Voice 16: island and the other of course these foundations they're essential for keeping the house safe if

[3:23:18] Voice 16: we do have a site that's been protected and and there's there are ways around it but they do

[3:23:26] Voice 16: involve redone reinventing the wheel and getting engineering involved how to make a cheaper

[3:23:32] Voice 16: foundations you do the same thing and each one is specific to the specific project

[3:23:36] Voice 2: and

[3:23:38] Voice 16: so it

[3:23:40] Voice 16: there are some unalienable facts that we we can't avoid um if you want to have on one hand have a

[3:23:48] Voice 16: building code that's saying we have to improve our energy efficiency for future generations to

[3:23:53] Voice 16: reach our carbon footprint we have to increase occupant safety for all these things and then say

[3:23:59] Voice 16: but these homes can be exempt from that for some reason right uh yeah i don't know how that works

[3:24:07] Trustee Maude: yeah there's just one practical thing

[3:24:09] Voice 20: with the crd the building inspector just resigned

[3:24:13] Voice 20: they thought they had a new one um that didn't work out so the old one is there on a temporary

[3:24:20] Voice 20: basis and they're hopeful to have a new building inspector early in the new year and the attitude

[3:24:29] Voice 20: of that new building inspector will be really critical and how

[3:24:33] Voice 20: we're building inspector here

[3:24:35] Voice 20: chris no

[3:24:36] Voice 20: not chris the crd okay let's respond of course okay we'll see demand okay yeah and so

[3:24:45] Voice 5: that's

[3:24:45] Voice 20: uh i've talked to paul brand about this and we're just waiting to see what's going to be so

[3:24:51] Voice 20: i i totally agree there's a number of issues that i've been trying to work on it it's critical that

[3:24:58] Voice 20: we get someone who you know will be um flexible and sensible so

[3:25:04] Trustee Maude: mr barrow yeah

[3:25:05] Voice 19: i i was just uh

[3:25:07] Voice 19: and i'm listening to the conversation this afternoon in particular my colleague here um

[3:25:13] Voice 19: i i realize that uh people get promoted to the level of their incompetence so it's actually quite

[3:25:20] Voice 19: good i didn't get involved in the abc because i

[3:25:23] Voice 19: see a wealth of knowledge and expertise here

[3:25:27] Voice 19: that it's far beyond my capacity i'm rather rising to the level but in my level

[3:25:32] Voice 19: what i wanted to ask and i'm sorry i didn't come earlier is is uh we are we getting a sense of

[3:25:44] Voice 19: the sort of if you could wave a magic wand we need 200

[3:25:49] Voice 18: new units or 100 or 400 so those that

[3:25:55] Voice 19: need affordable housing on your calendar because i i don't i'm just sort of wondering what the scale

[3:26:06] Voice 19: there is a

[3:26:09] Voice 7: number i think that they've said we've

[3:26:11] Voice 14: been presented so we have 340 340 survey

[3:26:16] Voice 14: respondents which is really

[3:26:18] Voice 14: quite good yeah uh over 50 percent of them identified that

[3:26:22] Voice 14: i can point you to i'm sure it'll

[3:26:25] Voice 14: be but over 60 i think responded that if their housing

[3:26:30] Voice 14: changed they would they don't feel confident that they would have adequate housing to support

[3:26:35] Voice 14: themselves um but the specific yeah it's a tricky

[3:26:41] Voice 13: one to get out of course yeah i

[3:26:43] Voice 14: mean

[3:26:46] Voice 14: My experience is anecdotally that Pender has less of a problem as Steve Campbell spoke to earlier, like there's less of an obvious need for housing here than it seems like on Galliano where I was the planner before and I was actively involved in the Galliano Green project and the rezoning of that for that 20 unit project.

[3:27:05] Voice 14: But there seems to be more of a crisis with worker accommodation.

[3:27:09] Voice 14: There seems to be more of a crisis, you know, because of

[3:27:15] Voice 14: the remoteness versus here, you know, as you age, services are much easier to access for vendors than they are from Saturna or Galliano, for example.

[3:27:23] Voice 14: You have a 40 minute straight shot to Sydney.

[3:27:27] Voice 14: Sydney. My anecdotal experience is that the need is not as pressing or it's not as prominent,

[3:27:36] Voice 14: but it has to be. I think also that on all these other islands, it seems you have a really

[3:27:44] Voice 14: engaged housing society that's looking for that. They have a 20-year project in mind

[3:27:49] Voice 14: and it might take a long time to realize, but they have it in mind. They have that piece

[3:27:53] Voice 14: piece of land sometimes it's even owned by them already and North Bender so far I just don't I

[3:27:59] Voice 14: can't point to that piece of land in my 18 months of experience as a planner so you're a little bit

[3:28:04] Voice 14: behind I think in that sense and my view is that well it's expensive to realize if you can get

[3:28:14] Voice 14: get those 20 units, then they become long-term protected

[3:28:18] Voice 14: rental units with BC housing agreements and provisions,

[3:28:24] Voice 14: all of which are less hard to secure than a flexi zoning

[3:28:30] Voice 14: scheme where you're enabling a cottage rental or something.

[3:28:34] Voice 14: So that's some of my thoughts.

[3:28:36] Voice 14: Okay, great, good question.

[3:28:37] Voice 13: Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to know if you're studying

[3:28:41] Voice 13: on tiny haunt is available it should

[3:28:46] Voice 3: be

[3:28:47] Voice 7: it was in the trust there was uh it was in the trust

[3:28:50] Voice 7: council package for um yeah the september meeting was

[3:28:58] Voice 3: it

[3:29:00] Voice 7: not not all in there yeah there um

[3:29:05] Voice 7: i can definitely get it okay for

[3:29:07] Voice 7: you toby elliott from gabriola is sort of the powerhouse behind it

[3:29:15] Voice 7: and she I mean there's there's been a couple of there was a quite a large package put together

[3:29:22] Voice 7: at one point and then the realization that it needed to be pared down a little bit to get to

[3:29:28] Voice 7: a point where people would actually be able to digest what it was there's about a 50 page study

[3:29:34] Voice 7: that a fellow on Salt Spring has done where he's compared sort of alternate practices to

[3:29:44] Voice 7: BC Building Code requirements and sort of started to navigate through a lot of what the possibility

[3:29:51] Voice 7: of possible changes were and so we tried to take a lot of what he had already done and then

[3:30:00] Voice 7: make it a little bit more applicable to what we see the need on the islands

[3:30:04] Voice 7: being. And I think for every island, I mean,

[3:30:09] Voice 7: just in talking about it, it's very,

[3:30:12] Voice 7: very different sort of what people are willing to see happen in their

[3:30:16] Voice 7: communities. You know, some,

[3:30:18] Voice 7: some communities are talking about how just like a completely unlicensed,

[3:30:24] Voice 7: like no standards really at all,

[3:30:27] Voice 7: just throwing caution to the wind and let's see what happens with it as opposed to other

[3:30:32] Voice 7: communities look at it and go like that's uh that's something i wouldn't even try to poke

[3:30:38] Voice 7: with a stick um so it's there there's i think it's coming back to the rpcs looking at it at

[3:30:50] Voice 7: the very beginning of november and it'll be in their agenda in a more simplified package and

[3:30:56] Voice 7: And then it does, I think, come back in December to the Trust Council

[3:31:00] Voice 7: and more of an established presentation.

[3:31:07] Voice 19: So, but

[3:31:08] Trustee Maude: I'll agree, yeah.

[3:31:10] Trustee Maude: Okay, so we took it clearly.

[3:31:14] Trustee Maude: Mary Beth Pondeau asked a very, very long question in the chat.

[3:31:18] Trustee Maude: So, Mary Beth, would you like to ask your question here?

[3:31:21] Voice 1: Sure.

[3:31:22] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[3:31:23] Trustee Maude: um

[3:31:25] Voice 1: well as a member of the apc and um a planner i've reviewed all the documents um

[3:31:33] Voice 1: rob i don't know if your question was asking how many units we have to deliver

[3:31:38] Voice 1: and what type of units that's all been very well researched by the crd housing

[3:31:43] Voice 1: strategies over the years it's eight units per year approximately but it's it's not more

[3:31:49] Voice 1: More cottages or principal residences, it is affordable, lower sort of second.

[3:31:57] Voice 1: It's mostly secondary suites and accessory dwelling units would solve a greater portion of both rental and ownership models.

[3:32:03] Voice 1: But rental is much easier to deliver and there's definitely a shortage of that.

[3:32:08] Voice 1: So I've reviewed them all and I asked myself the question, why aren't they being built?

[3:32:14] Voice 1: Is there an island or a rural community that's comparable where they are having success getting secondary suites and ADUs built? We don't really allow that many ADUs here. But let's say that we do allow them as part of this review. I'm not sure they're going to get built.

[3:32:33] Voice 1: We have the provincial secondary suite incentive program. It's been going on for a couple of years. Nobody's signed up. We have the CRD rural housing program, which will sit on top of that and addresses the affordability of getting people to build those suites. That's coming. The CRD is putting that together. It's admirable.

[3:32:55] Voice 1: but will any get built why aren't people utilizing these incentives to build these so

[3:33:02] Voice 1: i thought you know we're kind of on a roll with our survey uh could we ask a question like that

[3:33:09] Voice 1: like of those of you who might want to do this what is stopping you um also we've had inquiries

[3:33:16] Voice 1: over the years rezoning inquiries of people on this island who i know some of them they want to

[3:33:22] Voice 1: build some suites okay let's revive them let's look at them and use them as case studies to

[3:33:29] Voice 1: understand how we can deliver some of these would that be work so i'm talking about what are the

[3:33:35] Voice 1: success stories of other islands if there are any main for example flex housing i don't i don't think

[3:33:41] Voice 1: there's a lot of uptake so what are the success stories what uh what people are willing to do

[3:33:49] Voice 1: this service for us and deliver this very particular type of housing it's not gonna

[3:33:54] Voice 1: this density question on the island really isn't a question we're not talking about blanketing more

[3:34:00] Voice 1: cottages or principal residences that's not what is needed so and and i think we were quite clear

[3:34:07] Voice 1: about that we're lucky we have very focused studies here in the southern gulf islands on

[3:34:12] Voice 1: what we need um and then um you know uh documenting who can who can deliver that um okay thanks

[3:34:23] Voice 1: i

[3:34:24] Trustee Maude: think

[3:34:26] Voice 16: it's interesting i think um i've been the landlord in my and in my experience

[3:34:33] Voice 16: i think the issue as to why there isn't enough deacon suites is very much the the nature of

[3:34:44] Voice 16: of this community, and I had a house,

[3:34:46] Voice 16: I had two suites in the house, and that's what you did.

[3:34:48] Voice 16: You're in the city, you have two suites,

[3:34:50] Voice 16: and when you move to the

[3:34:52] Voice 16: island, though, it's an entirely

[3:34:54] Voice 16: different lifestyle.

[3:34:56] Voice 16: You don't want to have someone

[3:34:58] Voice 16: rattling around in your basement.

[3:35:00] Voice 16: In the city, there's noise and

[3:35:02] Voice 16: kerfuffle everywhere. You move over here,

[3:35:04] Voice 16: it's nature, it's quiet,

[3:35:06] Voice 16: it's subdued, it's a lower pace of life.

[3:35:08] Voice 16: You don't want...

[3:35:10] Voice 16: It's privacy.

[3:35:13] Voice 16: You tend to have bigger properties.

[3:35:14] Voice 16: and more privacy and more serenity.

[3:35:17] Voice 16: You don't want people rallying around anything else.

[3:35:19] Voice 16: And nowadays, as a landlord,

[3:35:21] Voice 16: in the olden days,

[3:35:23] Voice 16: you got someone who had newspapers.

[3:35:25] Voice 16: You had somebody move into your house,

[3:35:28] Voice 16: they would pay you rent.

[3:35:29] Voice 16: You could tell them what the rules were

[3:35:31] Voice 16: and everything was all fine and dandy.

[3:35:32] Voice 16: And we're at the point now where it's cash for keys.

[3:35:35] Voice 16: If you want me out, you got to give me cash.

[3:35:37] Voice 16: Or we can go through the residential tenancy branch

[3:35:39] Voice 16: and we'll drag it over months and months and months

[3:35:41] Voice 16: while I don't pay you rent.

[3:35:43] Voice 16: the responsibility and the respect from tenants not by any stretch of the imagination a general

[3:35:51] Voice 16: blanket um stereotype of them but much much more frequently now the tenants excuse my phrase don't

[3:35:59] Voice 16: give a shit they'll wreck your place they don't care about you they don't care about the rules

[3:36:03] Voice 16: so it's a much more hostile environment to be in and i think that we're finding that people that

[3:36:10] Voice 16: move to a community like this, it's like,

[3:36:11] Voice 16: they're done with all of that.

[3:36:13] Voice 16: They just want to be on a nice little quiet lawn

[3:36:15] Voice 16: and a quiet, peaceful life.

[3:36:17] Voice 3: I think people don't

[3:36:19] Voice 3: actually particularly want

[3:36:21] Voice 3: to rent a suite in somebody else's

[3:36:24] Voice 3: house. People

[3:36:25] Voice 3: here also want their

[3:36:28] Voice 3: privacy.

[3:36:29] Voice 3: However, I mean, I'm just saying that

[3:36:32] Voice 3: is so, not that it's

[3:36:33] Voice 3: a motivating or

[3:36:35] Voice 3: non-motivating service.

[3:36:37] Voice 3: It's not good or bad.

[3:36:38] Voice 3: One

[3:36:39] Trustee Maude: of the things we found on Main Island, with both secondary suites, which we've had in place for six or seven years, and with the flex housing, is actually the bureaucratic area, like a secondary suite, now you have to have a separate water supply, separate power, fire breaks, yes, so on Main Island.

[3:37:02] Trustee Maude: But on

[3:37:03] Trustee Maude: Penderfield, BC, that's how your CRE building sector is interpreting it.

[3:37:08] Trustee Maude: So we've not had one secondary suite built that I don't worry about, but also with the flex housing, same thing.

[3:37:16] Trustee Maude: And the other part of it is, is that because of the two connections, both to the secondary suite or to your flex housing, which will be a second ADU on the property,

[3:37:26] Trustee Maude: is that because you have two water connections, if you're on a well, that's called a water system.

[3:37:33] Trustee Maude: And that's created huge barriers for people.

[3:37:36] Trustee Maude: So the anecdotal thing that we get back from people is why didn't you do it?

[3:37:40] Trustee Maude: Well, because of cost, but also with the secondary suite or with the ADU,

[3:37:47] Trustee Maude: having to be registered as a water system has created huge barriers for people.

[3:37:55] Trustee Maude: Your water system has to be operated by a certified operator.

[3:37:59] Trustee Maude: It has to be inspected. It has to be tested.

[3:38:04] Voice 11: I'm

[3:38:04] Voice 16: a designer on the other end. I have not run into this issue at all.

[3:38:10] Voice 11: It's been

[3:38:10] Voice 16: a huge issue with me.

[3:38:11] Voice 16: The last one I did with the suite in the house, there's no part B, I guess, where all the fire separations and none of that.

[3:38:23] Voice 16: none of that it's

[3:38:25] Voice 7: funny too because i during part of peter's presentation i took it took a picture

[3:38:31] Voice 7: of it because i've been talking to some folks in the community who had requested information about

[3:38:37] Voice 7: building a secondary suite in their basement and trying to figure it out and i had messaged brad

[3:38:43] Voice 7: earlier in the week about what was required in there and they are they have already talked to

[3:38:49] Voice 7: the building inspector and they're going ahead with it and didn't find that there was any real

[3:38:55] Voice 7: any real barriers to them doing it it just sort of they're amicable to the idea of having somebody

[3:39:02] Voice 7: live in their basement and and basically said hopefully they enjoy the dance parties that we

[3:39:08] Voice 7: have every once in a while and and uh and somebody will help us pay our mortgage off so

[3:39:14] Voice 10: one of the

[3:39:14] Voice 10: things to the mary best comment i actually do think it would be helpful either to ask additional

[3:39:20] Voice 10: information as we go forward around like what is inhibiting people or enabling people to do

[3:39:25] Voice 10: secondary suites because that's something we've had on the books for a long time like we have it

[3:39:28] Voice 10: already in play and and also like what kinds of things could we potentially do to just educate

[3:39:36] Voice 10: people about like what are the steps to be able to do that and what is the financing available to do

[3:39:41] Voice 10: that i may get more uptake than

[3:39:43] Voice 16: we did yeah so

[3:39:46] Voice 10: um and i've seen that with uh aging in place

[3:39:50] Voice 10: that people

[3:39:51] Voice 10: are actually considering that on this island i've had multiple conversations with folks

[3:39:54] Voice 10: who are living in a bigger house had kids or family before and like living alone now or in

[3:40:01] Voice 10: a couple and could actually partition off a portion of the house for a secondary suite

[3:40:06] Voice 6: Aaron you mentioned that is it like Gabriola and Denman for that crisis

[3:40:13] Voice 6: Salt

[3:40:15] Voice 7: Spring Salt Spring Gabriola and I

[3:40:19] Voice 7: think Denman are having like very major housing

[3:40:24] Voice 7: issue where they've got people like on Salt Spring 20 something trailers I think out behind the

[3:40:31] Voice 7: country grocer uh with in

[3:40:35] Voice 10: an rv park yeah

[3:40:36] Voice 7: people just living rv parks where in order to stay

[3:40:40] Voice 7: within the within the rules they're having to kick people out every 28 days

[3:40:44] Voice 5: force

[3:40:45] Voice 7: them to get

[3:40:46] Voice 7: a ferry receipt for leaving proving that they left and come back in again so that they can stay

[3:40:52] Voice 7: within the rules of only of not spending more than 30 days in any one spot and then crappy

[3:40:58] Voice 7: electrical hookups and and all of that stuff and so it's they I think they

[3:41:04] Voice 7: figure there's 300 unhoused or marginally housed people on Salt Spring

[3:41:10] Voice 7: right now. But

[3:41:13] Voice 7: that's something that we we haven't we haven't really experienced

[3:41:23] Voice 7: experienced a ton of yet and that's why it feels important to start now so that as this does become

[3:41:32] Voice 7: more of a you know mr sketch and i are just talking and there's you know there's people are

[3:41:39] Voice 7: experiencing issues finding housing on pender and they're coming into the 11th hour before they're

[3:41:45] Voice 7: finding somewhere to to live in but when i look at something like what's happening on salt spring

[3:41:50] Voice 7: and see that as a as a crisis it probably feels like a crisis to somebody who's a day away from

[3:41:58] Voice 7: not having somewhere to live and then finding a finding

[3:42:01] Voice 7: a house that's just me speaking from my

[3:42:03] Voice 7: own opinion right so so i think we do need to to be active with this and the fact that there is

[3:42:11] Voice 7: main island has done so much work galliano has done so much work there's we're we're

[3:42:16] Voice 7: piggybacking

[3:42:17] Voice 7: we get we'll get a lot farther for our study than let's say maine has gotten in the years of

[3:42:24] Trustee Maude: walking around and i think like the june trust council we were told the largest homeless

[3:42:29] Trustee Maude: account in canada is ganji's harbor yeah 280. that's the other yeah in the harbor

[3:42:37] Trustee Maude: two of 280. that

[3:42:39] Voice 20: can count in the

[3:42:40] Trustee Maude: harbor in the harbor and

[3:42:42] Voice 20: so the other thing with salt

[3:42:45] Voice 20: spring because i'm over there a fair bit there's four lots where there's over 100 rvs that are

[3:42:52] Voice 20: just out there so i agree with you it's worse there and it's to make sure we don't even get

[3:42:58] Voice 20: close to that but you look at them you got at the pub you've got four or five trailers you've got

[3:43:04] Voice 20: the driftwood yeah four or five and they're going to put in more so it's happening so now's the time

[3:43:10] Voice 20: time to get ahead of the curve and studies being done shortly hopefully will give some idea of the

[3:43:18] Voice 20: number of people who need housing and so that's certainly sure

[3:43:22] Voice 7: yeah well a friend of mine's doing

[3:43:26] Voice 7: yeah on-site workforce housing is it yeah slightly different yeah but

[3:43:31] Voice 7: But

[3:43:31] Voice 6: that's what I'm just going to say.

[3:43:35] Voice 6: I've been seeing the increase of warring boys going in and drowning.

[3:43:38] Voice 6: Oh, yeah.

[3:43:40] Voice 6: Every winter.

[3:43:41] Voice 6: It's just

[3:43:42] Voice 19: crazy.

[3:43:44] Trustee Maude: So we

[3:43:44] Trustee Maude: just had two boats on the beach again.

[3:43:46] Voice 6: Yeah, I know.

[3:43:47] Trustee Maude: So you had a concluding statement?

[3:43:50] Trustee Maude: Oh, I did.

[3:43:51] Voice 16: Just the.

[3:43:53] Voice 16: Sorry.

[3:43:54] Voice 16: Everyone.

[3:43:55] Voice 16: Maybe all.

[3:43:57] Voice 16: the

[3:43:59] Voice 16: Browning one in particular

[3:44:01] Voice 16: because it is a separate issue entirely

[3:44:02] Voice 16: they are a

[3:44:04] Voice 16: large wealthy

[3:44:06] Voice 16: I guess they're a corporation or whatever

[3:44:08] Voice 16: and I understand why

[3:44:10] Voice 16: the Islands Trust and the CRD are turning their backs

[3:44:13] Voice 16: on people living in

[3:44:14] Voice 16: illegal housing at the moment but

[3:44:17] Voice 16: Browning there's no excuse it's like no no

[3:44:19] Voice 16: invest in some housing

[3:44:21] Voice 2: there's

[3:44:22] Voice 16: no excuse for them

[3:44:23] Voice 16: to not be

[3:44:24] Voice 16: be um uh encouraged to deal with that issue there's just no excuse they've got money out

[3:44:31] Voice 16: the wazoo and uh and they're yeah

[3:44:36] Voice 7: and they have a drug i've worked for them for five years they

[3:44:40] Voice 7: they have had to address it in other communities and in tofino at way west when it became tofino

[3:44:46] Voice 7: marina resort they had to bring in a rig camp yeah they brought in a rig camp and put it in

[3:44:51] Voice 7: the parking lot and hooked it up to services and there was housing you know so it is it is a thing

[3:44:58] Voice 7: yeah

[3:44:59] Voice 16: well

[3:45:02] Trustee Maude: thank you everybody this has been an immensely informative session i think brian has

[3:45:09] Trustee Maude: got clouds notes his head full of lots of cool stuff as with the apc we really thank you for

[3:45:18] Voice 7: I am like very very appreciative of everybody coming and and uh and getting involved and

[3:45:27] Voice 7: sharing opinions and stuff like that because it's very helpful to hear from people um how they feel

[3:45:34] Voice 7: what they're what they think so one

[3:45:37] Voice 16: last question is anything done about being considered about

[3:45:42] Voice 16: banning STPRs?

[3:45:47] Voice 10: So there is nothing on the books right now.

[3:45:49] Voice 10: That is, it's

[3:45:50] Voice 10: in the mix of the conversation

[3:45:53] Voice 10: in housing.

[3:45:55] Voice 10: Because, you know, when...

[3:45:56] Voice 16: Well, no, I mean,

[3:45:59] Voice 10: there was a big move before

[3:46:01] Voice 10: I became a trustee to have STPRs

[3:46:03] Voice 10: legalized for, like, this

[3:46:04] Voice 10: STPR rules that we have here. And it was actually

[3:46:07] Voice 10: the very first thing, the very first meeting

[3:46:09] Voice 10: I was ever at was when it was in final

[3:46:11] Voice 10: reading. So it was all done before I was

[3:46:13] Voice 10: a trustee so it's been a bit of an experiment on the island for the last six years to see what that

[3:46:17] Voice 10: looks like and there's pros and cons about it um so but it is something to consider and but it would

[3:46:23] Voice 10: be nice to actually understand are the stvrs actually the thing that's bumping housing i know

[3:46:28] Voice 10: there's a logical model related to it i get that but like is that something that's going to really

[3:46:33] Voice 10: contribute or is it is our time actually better spent pushing into like helping people understand

[3:46:38] Voice 10: on secondary suites or like where's the biggest sort of impact that we can make and i'm not saying

[3:46:43] Voice 10: it has to be one so

[3:46:44] Voice 3: that's for the question the huge change came over covid was saying

[3:46:51] Voice 3: that what a lot of people moved here full-time they went and occupied those houses that were

[3:46:58] Voice 3: spvrs etc etc or even long-term rentless and that has changed and you can see it because of the

[3:47:04] Voice 3: graphic it's all changed oh

[3:47:08] Voice 16: absolutely but you know unrelated but related with the other negative

[3:47:13] Voice 16: impacts that stvr is happening i had two of them in my last place one below me one above me it was

[3:47:18] Voice 16: a nightmare an absolute nightmare well i don't care what it did at that point i didn't care what

[3:47:22] Voice 16: it did to the long-term rental market it made living there yeah

[3:47:26] Voice 15: i was quieter

[3:47:27] Voice 16: living downtown

[3:47:29] Voice 16: Victoria there's a

[3:47:32] Voice 7: okay just yeah there was a discussion I was involved in last week just

[3:47:41] trying

[3:47:43] Voice 7: to understand you know what that and what that impact is what where will it where will

[3:47:49] Voice 7: we gain what is given up by opting into because you're actually we would be relinquishing the

[3:47:59] Voice 7: control over the stvrs to the province it wouldn't be an island's trust thing anymore

[3:48:07] Voice 7: it would become it becomes it you are giving up any legal non-conforming yeah there there's a

[3:48:16] Voice 7: whole thing about how it's written so basically you would be opting out of that and then hoping

[3:48:22] Voice 7: that they're going to enforce it which enforcement is a whole other issue that comes into and

[3:48:29] Voice 7: and a cost that comes into some of these decisions

[3:48:33] Voice 7: where you can make the decision

[3:48:35] Voice 7: and you can say that we're going to ban it,

[3:48:38] Voice 7: but then we've locally lost any ability

[3:48:41] Voice 7: to try to go after it and control it.

[3:48:44] Voice 7: And now it's in the province

[3:48:45] Voice 7: and we have to worry about the province

[3:48:47] Voice 7: coming to deal with it.

[3:48:49] Voice 7: Is it a

[3:48:49] Voice 11: problem?

[3:48:52] Voice 7: I think, yeah, I honestly don't remember what the bill is.

[3:48:56] Voice 7: I've read so many yeah it's just

[3:49:01] Voice 16: it's absurd that you know again particularly when you move

[3:49:04] Voice 16: into a community like this I did not build a house in the entertainment district with a hotel

[3:49:09] Voice 16: next to me that's that's not why we went through the blood sweat and tears and the financial

[3:49:14] Voice 16: penalties of doing that so that I could have people partying here for a good time one more

[3:49:20] Voice 16: time every week you yell at them they put the music down then they go to the next people come

[3:49:26] Voice 16: it's all it's not one

[3:49:28] Voice 7: illegal or permanent i

[3:49:34] Voice 3: have no idea it's not this was five

[3:49:36] Voice 16: years ago

[3:49:37] Voice 16: are

[3:49:38] Voice 3: you still we were

[3:49:39] Voice 16: up in the middle of the lake oh okay so i don't know yeah at that time

[3:49:45] Voice 16: it would be

[3:49:46] Voice 7: interesting though that's some of that is the feedback that needs to be

[3:49:50] Voice 7: be received in order so that when an application comes back up because the thing with the temporary

[3:49:57] Voice 7: use permits is that they are temporary and they should come back up and you should be able to

[3:50:03] Voice 7: reconsider them and say you know what no you've you've been a bad airbnb or whatever it is and

[3:50:10] Voice 7: we won't give you one for next for next year

[3:50:13] Voice 16: unfortunately yeah the tup has got to be granted

[3:50:17] Voice 16: first yeah that's right the neighbors can then say okay well that

[3:50:21] Voice 16: was a mistake for sure yeah

[3:50:22] Voice 16: i've got to live with you for two years yeah

[3:50:24] Voice 4: yeah but they're

[3:50:28] Trustee Maude: all they're they're all yeah

[3:50:29] Trustee Maude: yeah all right we need to adjourn so we have a very good catch so all right thank

[3:50:34] Trustee Maude: you all very

[3:50:35] Trustee Maude: much thank you um

[3:50:36] Trustee Maude: thank you lisa we'll conclude the meeting um so like a gentleman will adjourn

[3:50:41] Trustee Maude: Thank

[3:50:41] Voice 10: you all again.

[3:50:44] Voice 3: Thanks for putting it that way.

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
October 26, 2024 
Pender Island Community Hall 
4418 Bedwell Harbour Road, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner  
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were approximately fifteen (15) members of the public present 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 12:39 p.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 The following amendments to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Re-order items 4.1 and 4.2 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
3.1 July 26, 2024 Local Trust Committee Minutes (for Adoption) 
Adoption of the minutes was deferred to the November, 2024 regular business meeting. 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
4.1 Raptor Nest Development Permit Area (DPA) Project 
Island Planner Smith provided a presentation and highlighted the following: 
 Current North Pender development permit areas for raptor nests was mapped in 
late 2000’s 
 Official Community Plan includes provision for the protection of habitat used for 
nesting and breeding by bald eagles, other raptors, and blue herons 
 Updated mapping has been undertaken by a consultant, with support from a 
volunteer field naturalist, both of which have local expertise and knowledge of the 
previous mapping work 
 Provincial guidelines for raptor conservation have been incorporated 
A D O P T E D 

 
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 Development within the development permit area needs to meet specific guidelines 
to avoid disturbance, and retain the natural habitat, of raptor nests 
 Owners of property containing a nest site have been sent information about the 
development permit area 
 Development permit areas includes buffer zones that are associated with the 
particular habitat feature, such as a tree along with surrounding trees 
 Most significant proposed change is an increase to the current buffer zone from 
thirty to fifty metres to sixty to five-hundred metres; however, a range of buffers 
could be considered based on various factors 
 Next steps include continued engagement with property owners and First Nations, 
site visits to reaffirm assessments, drafting proposed bylaw amendments, and 
conducting a public hearing 
 
The following comments and questions from members of the public were noted:  
 Resident owns property adjacent to a property with a raptor nest but did not 
receive a letter about the development permit area 
o Island Planner Smith noted letters were only sent to property owners 
where nests were located and not to those who might be impacted by 
buffer zones; however, Local Trust Committee could direct broader 
communication prior to a public hearing 
 Member of the public asked how infractions are reported and how one would know 
that a complaint is being followed up on 
o Island Planner Smith stated infractions would be reported to bylaw 
enforcement 
o A Trustee noted the Local Trust Committee receives reports on open bylaw 
enforcement files which would indicate that a complaint was being 
investigated 
 Two members of the public spoke to the potential impacts that the proposed buffer 
zone will have on properties including changing intended uses and affecting ability 
to sell the property and they requested the Local Trust Committee consider smaller 
buffer zones 
o Island Planner Smith noted that the Local Trust Committee could determine 
varying buffer sizes for different areas and property owners could apply for 
a development permit if developing in DPA areas 
 Member of the public noted the following: 
o There are 23 new nests, of which 14 are eagles nests 
o BC Guidelines for Raptor Conservation Report indicates neither ospreys or 
eagles are at risk and both have tolerance to coexist with humans which 
suggests there is no pressing need for an alteration of the buffer zones 
o Staff Report does not speak to impacts on the eagle population or number 
of nests if new guidelines were imposed 
o Requested GPS coordinates and visual evidence of the nests at the mapped 
sites and that staff warrant private property was not trespassed on by 
anyone connected with the study 
o Cost benefit study for the project has not been provided 
o Based on issues highlighted the project should not go forward 

 
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o The Islands Trust Act requires protection of environment and unique 
amenities for the benefit or residents 
 Member of the public asked if buffer zones include a radius from the top of the tree 
upwards and if so would Transport Canada have to remain out of the aerial corridor 
o Island Planner Smith noted that Transport Canada regulates air 
transportation not the Islands Trust 
 Member of the public spoke to the importance of protecting the land and eagles 
and noted trees in the buffer zone create important habitat 
 Member of the public stated that issues such as ground water availability and raptor 
nest protection speak to the density of development allowed by Islands Trust and 
the object of the Trust needs to come first in planning processes 
 
The meeting was recessed for a break 1:37 p.m. and reconvened at 2:00 p.m. 
4.2 Housing Access and Affordability Project  
Island Planner Smith provided a presentation and highlighted the following: 
 Regional Planning Committee working on housing strategy, housing toolkit, and 
suitable land analysis 
 Several Local Trust Areas have housing projects underway 
 Islands Trust authority is limited to land use and zoning functions and not actual 
development; therefore, it is important for Trustees to work together with, and 
provide advocacy to, other levels of government 
 Local Trust Committee housing project action plan could focus on increasing housing 
options through rezoning, secondary suite initiatives, limiting short-term vacation 
rentals, and consideration of permitting alternative dwelling units 
 Housing Needs Survey is being undertaken with 340 survey submissions received to 
date and final results will be provided at the November 29, 2024 Local Trust 
Committee meeting 
 Current phase of Housing Review Project focusses on consultation and reviewing 
options and the next phase will look at changes to zoning and other regulations to 
enable preferred options as well as housing action plan development 
 
North Pender Advisory Planning Commission (APC) Chair Peter Pare provided an update 
on the recent work of the APC and highlighted the following: 
 Local Trust Committee asked APC to review existing relevant reports and studies 
and provide recommendations on how best to amend the Official Community Plan 
to improve access to affordable housing 
 To date the APC has reviewed the Housing Toolkit, Official Community Plan and 
relevant Land Use Bylaws, looked at initiatives, policies, and regulations 
implemented in other Local Trust Areas, considered implications of potential 
housing alternatives on water resources and the natural environment, and provided 
input to the Housing Needs Survey 
 Recommendations concerning density should be based on parameters including 
forest cover, water availability, septic capacity, ecosystem value and preservation, 
restoration plans, and proximity to amenities 
 Housing needs identified include a diversity of affordable below market housing 
options for seniors, families, and workers who do not currently own property 

 
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 Local Trust Committee does not produce housing; therefore, creating below market 
rental and ownership opportunities would require funding from government and 
other sources with community groups advocating for said funding with the support 
of the Local Trust Committee 
 Preliminary possible recommendations for the consideration of the Local Trust 
Committee include lobbying provincial government to extend the speculation 
vacancy tax, model the housing plan on other Local Trust Area plans, incorporating 
flexible housing options into the Official Community Plan, increase options for 
additional residences throughout the island, permitting long term use of 
recreational vehicles and tiny homes provided they have water supply and proper 
sewage connections, opting in to the provincial short-term accommodation 
regulations, and allowing clusters of manufactured homes that meet provincial and 
federal construction standards 
 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 2:52 p.m. and reconvened at 3:00 p.m. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following questions and comments were noted:  
 Most recreational vehicles have smoke and carbon dioxide alarms and dampness 
and mould issues can be managed with proper care 
 Standards for allowing recreational vehicles as dwelling units need to be established 
including septic hook ups, water availability, and suitable locations 
 Vancouver Island Health Authority requires an entity to hold liability for water 
quality for multi-family water systems and do not allow rain water collection as a 
potable water source and these issues are under review 
 Speculation taxes go into general revenue and if there is opt-in to the program the 
community should retain the taxes collected 
 Rental housing diminished when the short-term vacation rental market demand 
increased and houses became a commodity item 
 Official Community Plan currently has policies that restrict increased density and 
these policies will be looked at using the build out analysis and suitable land analysis 
 Rental housing has diminished as properties have sold and owners are living in them 
and working remotely 
 If a short-term vacation rental is removed the property will not necessarily be put 
into the rental market 
 A regional exception to some requirements of the BC Building Code can be 
requested if reasonableness of using a different building method, or materials, can 
be shown to provide the same standard of construction 
 Modular housing is an important factor in affordable housing 
 Tiny homes on wheels can be built for less than a regular home; however, 
foundations are essential in keeping a home safe in a high level seismic area 
 One needs to ask why secondary suites and accessory dwelling units are not being 
built and the provincial secondary suite incentive program has not had any uptake 
 Many home owners do not want to be landlords and deal with potential tenant 
issues 
 Opting into the provincial regulations on short-term vacation rentals would result in 
the Local Trust Committee losing some ability for regulation and reliance on the 
province for enforcement 

 
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 There are housing issues on North Pender Island now and the Local Trust 
Committee wishes to be proactive and work on potential solutions 
5. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:00 p.m. 
 
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David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder