Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, November 1, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 8: Welcome you to this regular meeting of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee for

[0:00:04] Voice 8: November 1st, 2024. I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able

[0:00:11] Voice 8: to gather today in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:16] Voice 8: We respectfully acknowledge that Hornby Island is the unceded traditional territory of the

[0:00:20] Voice 8: Comox First Nations. They're traditional keepers of this land. Following is a quote from the

[0:00:27] Voice 8: the Comox website. For thousands of years, Indigenous peoples occupy this shoreline of

[0:00:35] Voice 8: Eastern Vancouver Island in a place referred to as the Land of Plenty. This Land of Plenty

[0:00:40] Voice 8: stretched from what is known today as Kelsey Bay in the north, down to Hornby and Denman

[0:00:45] Voice 8: Island in the south, and included the watershed and estuary of the Puntledge River. The people

[0:00:50] Voice 8: called Comox today referred to themselves as Slaloo, Sastigla, Big Sun, and Puntledge.

[0:00:57] Voice 8: They lived in Salmon River, Winsome, Campbell River, Quadra, Key Bay, Comox Harbour, Bainstown, and many other locations throughout the territory.

[0:01:07] Voice 8: The arrival of Europeans drastically changed the way of life for Indigenous people.

[0:01:16] Voice 8: Successive waves of European-born diseases decimated the populations,

[0:01:20] Voice 8: and colonial policies and practices resulted in extreme hardship

[0:01:26] Voice 8: and the dispossession and loss of land, resources, and cultural connection.

[0:01:32] Voice 8: The Indian residential school system tore children from their families

[0:01:35] Voice 8: and caused untold grief and intergenerational trauma

[0:01:38] Voice 8: that is difficult to comprehend for those of us who have not had to live it.

[0:01:43] Voice 8: Just this week, Kimberly Murray, the Special Interlocutor for Missing Children

[0:01:49] Voice 8: and unmarked graves and burial sites associated with Indian residential schools, released her

[0:01:53] Voice 8: final report on the

[0:01:55] Voice 8: missing and disappeared Indigenous children and unmarked burials in

[0:01:58] Voice 8: Canada. These are difficult truths that must be confronted in order to understand where we've

[0:02:06] Voice 8: come from. And quote again from the COMOC's website, modern leaders are striving to reclaim

[0:02:13] Voice 8: cultural expression and relationship with the land of plenty. And this is the context in which

[0:02:19] Voice 8: which we find ourselves today.

[0:02:22] Voice 8: While the Islands Trust has expressed a commitment

[0:02:24] Voice 8: to meaningful reconciliation,

[0:02:26] Voice 8: legislation still limits the degree

[0:02:27] Voice 8: which full inclusion of Indigenous governing bodies

[0:02:30] Voice 8: in decision-making can be achieved.

[0:02:34] Voice 8: The recent request to the province

[0:02:36] Voice 8: for a review by Trust Council

[0:02:38] Voice 8: highlights the importance of considering

[0:02:42] Voice 8: how the Islands Trust Act might be aligned

[0:02:44] Voice 8: with the Declaration of the Rights

[0:02:45] Voice 8: of Indigenous Peoples Act of 2019

[0:02:47] Voice 8: 2019 as a precursor for a true co-governance.

[0:02:51] Voice 8: In the meantime, it's important that we listen,

[0:02:55] Voice 8: acknowledge the truth and commit to do better,

[0:02:58] Voice 8: to be better neighbors and to work together

[0:03:00] Voice 8: to build strong and enduring relationships.

[0:03:05] Voice 8: So my name is Tim Peterson.

[0:03:07] Voice 8: I'm the chair of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:09] Voice 8: With me today are local trustees, Grant Scott, Alex Allen,

[0:03:15] Voice 8: our meeting administrator, Lisa Millard

[0:03:17] Voice 8: and planner ian cox um just want to remind everyone uh we will have an opportunity for

[0:03:27] Voice 8: public comment uh coming up but first up we have the approval of the agenda

[0:03:32] Voice 8: and i'll look to trustees to see if there's any changes proposed trustee grant trustee scott

[0:03:40] Voice 8: i'd

[0:03:41] Voice 5: like to propose that we move 12.1 up higher on the agenda so michael mcnamara can get home

[0:03:49] Voice 5: for afternoon snooze um

[0:03:52] Voice 4: he's also doing a delegation as well no

[0:03:59] Voice 8: okay and that

[0:04:00] Voice 8: 12

[0:04:01] Voice 5: .1 is a specific

[0:04:02] Voice 8: and

[0:04:03] Voice 5: that's

[0:04:04] Voice 8: 12.1 so can we do that um let's do let's move 12.1 up then to

[0:04:19] Voice 8: just after the applications and referrals yeah good at the after eight section eight no no you

[0:04:33] Voice 8: want to first

[0:04:34] Voice 4: section eight is going to be really long okay right after his delegation perhaps

[0:04:39] Voice 4: between seven and eight

[0:04:40] Voice 8: between seven and eight okay sure okay so uh anything else for any

[0:04:49] Voice 8: Any reallocation here?

[0:04:53] Voice 8: No, not seeing any.

[0:04:55] Voice 8: I'll take it by general consent that the adopted,

[0:04:58] Voice 8: the agenda is adopted as amended.

[0:05:01] Voice 8: And then we go into trustee reports.

[0:05:05] Voice 8: Trustees, who wants to go first?

[0:05:11] Voice 4: Well, let's just see, what have I done since the last,

[0:05:16] Voice 4: we had a trust meeting in September.

[0:05:19] Voice 4: So basically the trust council in Nanaimo

[0:05:23] Voice 4: and there seems to be a theme i'll say that it was probably the most uh dysfunctional

[0:05:32] Voice 4: trust council attended in my terms uh there's a lot of divisiveness with certain members

[0:05:39] Voice 4: um on the trust council root staff and other trustees so it was um a real it was really

[0:05:48] Voice 4: disappointing to be honest it wasn't pleasant um so that sort of set up a motion in terms of

[0:05:56] Voice 4: conduct in meetings um and uh sort of coincide with ubcm asking for our comments regarding

[0:06:07] Voice 4: public discourse in government local government and so they're sort of getting a call out of all

[0:06:14] Voice 4: of us local representatives you know what we feel is missing and what could be better and um yeah

[0:06:20] Voice 4: especially for that trust council it's very we need to do better and also the common uh sort

[0:06:26] Voice 4: of themes for capacity of staff we've got 17 vacancies i think right now and um it's hard

[0:06:32] Voice 4: to get things done it's very um it's so frustrating but i can understand the frustrations staff

[0:06:38] Voice 4: members that are either having to double up or not be able to get things done so it's a bit of

[0:06:44] Voice 4: a transition right now um and then as i'm um vice chair of trust programs committee i got to attend

[0:06:54] Voice 4: attend the financial planning committee, which I've never attended, and I never really wanted

[0:06:58] Voice 4: to because I'm a numbers guy, but it was actually interesting.

[0:07:02] Voice 4: But once again, I saw more display of very rude conduct in that meeting as well.

[0:07:10] Voice 4: So I'm not sure why this is happening, whether it's reflecting on the world or what is going

[0:07:17] Voice 4: on, but a lot of us are aware of it.

[0:07:19] Voice 4: I had a meeting with a couple of trustees, called it a private meeting, just to say what

[0:07:24] Voice 4: can we do about this so yes uh hopefully we can figure this out and uh work on it but it's been

[0:07:33] Voice 4: a bit disappointing regarding being interesting we're not getting anywhere we just have

[0:07:42] Voice 7: that's my report

[0:07:44] Voice 5: thank you alex great sadly i agree can you hear me sadly i agree with

[0:07:53] Voice 5: with Alex about that last Trust Council meeting.

[0:07:57] Voice 5: And one thing I was thinking about after that meeting

[0:07:59] Voice 5: is that we meet for about 65 hours a year

[0:08:05] Voice 5: at Trust Council,

[0:08:07] Voice 5: and we meet about 16 hours a year

[0:08:12] Voice 5: at the local Trust Committee.

[0:08:15] Voice 5: And it seems to me that is completely backwards.

[0:08:19] Voice 5: We should have more time, more staff.

[0:08:22] Voice 5: staff. This is where the government lives, not down there, not in Victoria, it lives

[0:08:31] Voice 5: in Punta. We need to Gabriel the staff and as Alex had pointed out, why are so many people

[0:08:37] Voice 5: not working with the Islanders Trust? I've heard it's partly because it pays less. It

[0:08:42] Voice 5: might be this dysfunction, people just don't want to work there. So there's a new CAO,

[0:08:48] Voice 5: Chief Administrative Officer

[0:08:51] Voice 5: who's just been hired.

[0:08:53] Voice 5: So I'm hoping that this person

[0:08:55] Voice 5: Can you hear me already?

[0:08:57] Voice 9: Speak up as if you're speaking to me.

[0:08:59] Voice 5: Okay, so hopefully

[0:09:00] Voice 5: this person, this new person

[0:09:02] Voice 5: what's his name?

[0:09:05] Voice 5: Kevin Broney.

[0:09:07] Voice 5: So hopefully this person

[0:09:09] Voice 5: is going to take some initiative

[0:09:11] Voice 5: on the things that Alex

[0:09:13] Voice 5: was talking about and on the

[0:09:15] Voice 5: staffing issue and on

[0:09:17] Voice 5: the fact that gabriel we need more staff to work with us here of our official community plan and

[0:09:27] Voice 5: land use bylaws have been years it shouldn't nothing should take years and it's because we

[0:09:33] Voice 5: don't have the people to support what we're trying to do to support the advisory planning

[0:09:38] Voice 5: committee ours here that's the advice the apc and the local trust committee is really where

[0:09:47] Voice 5: the island's trust should live that stuff down there i could use i don't give up about it really

[0:09:56] Voice 5: this is what i got elected to do to support us what we need on this island yeah i'm gonna leave

[0:10:04] Voice 5: it there but i'm gonna say this i'm gonna say all this stuff with the trust council meeting

[0:10:09] Voice 5: in december and say that there's a lot of people on this island pretty unhappy with the way that

[0:10:15] Voice 5: people are talking about would we better be better off with comox valley

[0:10:19] Voice 5: region from the regional district maybe not but it's a question thanks

[0:10:27] Voice 8: okay and so next up is chair's report and um been a busy time uh in island stress since uh we last

[0:10:38] Voice 8: met here on Hornby. In September, there was the Union of BC Municipalities Convention,

[0:10:45] Voice 8: which kicked off with a province-wide community event. Speakers, including Grand Chief Philip

[0:10:53] Voice 8: Stewart, President of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, Kimberly Murray, who I mentioned before,

[0:11:00] Voice 8: and the keynote was Honourable Judy Wilson-Raybould. Atlas Trust met with Ministry of

[0:11:06] Voice 8: municipal affairs staff regarding engagement first nations uh request for the province to

[0:11:12] Voice 8: review the island struck down uh ministry of housing to request a rural and islands

[0:11:18] Voice 8: community housing stream to afford housing projects in smaller coastal communities

[0:11:23] Voice 8: and with ministry of forest staff with regard to wildlife planning in the context of island

[0:11:28] Voice 8: communities living in the forest interface i also attended sessions on strengthening

[0:11:34] Voice 8: addressing systemic racism and advancing reconciliation in BC, and mental health and local elected

[0:11:45] Voice 8: leaders workshop.

[0:11:47] Voice 8: Also a bunch of great networking opportunities with everyone from folks from BC Ferries to

[0:11:54] Voice 8: to CSA, the folks from Disability BC

[0:12:00] Voice 8: as we're moving to a space where Island Trust

[0:12:03] Voice 8: is legislated to have an accessibility committee.

[0:12:10] Voice 8: And yes, then we did have a trust council in Nanaimo,

[0:12:16] Voice 8: definitely would concur that the level of discourse

[0:12:19] Voice 8: is sunk to a disappointing low

[0:12:23] Voice 8: and

[0:12:25] Voice 8: executive committee we've talked about

[0:12:28] Voice 8: sort of what we

[0:12:29] Voice 8: have on hand. We are

[0:12:31] Voice 8: likely to be

[0:12:34] Voice 8: pulling out everything

[0:12:35] Voice 8: that we have in terms of Robert's rules

[0:12:37] Voice 8: and procedure to

[0:12:40] Voice 8: really sort of rein in that

[0:12:45] Voice 8: the type

[0:12:46] Voice 8: of speech and haranguing and that's just

[0:12:48] Voice 8: it's not appropriate and it's not

[0:12:50] Voice 8: conducive to good decision

[0:12:52] Voice 8: making. It's a real

[0:12:53] Voice 8: a real distraction from the actual work at hand um i have to say uh trustee scott although i

[0:13:01] Voice 8: understand your frustration with the pace of things that happen on the ltc level the work

[0:13:09] Voice 8: of trust council is important um it's the foundation that that sets out the standards

[0:13:16] Voice 8: across the federation in particular um you know we've had two meetings at the committee of the

[0:13:23] Voice 8: whole to consider the draft policy statement what it says in that draft policy statement at the end

[0:13:29] Voice 8: of the day um either enjoins or constrains local trust committees in in terms of policies that need

[0:13:36] Voice 8: to be included in the in the ocp and the lub and it is important work i do understand the

[0:13:43] Voice 8: frustration however um uh let's see yeah so and because of the way the meeting went a whole bunch

[0:13:52] Voice 8: of stuff got deferred to our december meeting uh including for consideration of the uh section three

[0:13:59] Voice 8: of the island's trust the object strategic planning meeting procedures and the code of

[0:14:05] Voice 8: conduct review which i think a lot of us feel is very necessary i had the fortune good fortune uh

[0:14:11] Voice 8: to be invited to a talk with um doug white the third just after trust council he's a former

[0:14:17] Voice 8: former councillor and chief of the name of First Nations lawyer who worked with Mandel Pinder

[0:14:22] Voice 8: and most recently was special counsel to the premier of BC.

[0:14:27] Voice 8: And as I mentioned, the aligning the Islands Trust Act with the Declaration Act,

[0:14:37] Voice 8: the Provincial Declaration Act, it's important work.

[0:14:40] Voice 8: It's a big job. And the province has a lot on its plate, as we all know.

[0:14:46] Voice 8: um but somebody like mr white could be just just the ticket if if he's willing to sit down and

[0:14:52] Voice 8: think about how how that could be done he's got ears at the top of the government he's got the

[0:14:57] Voice 8: skills and um very interesting and warm person so i'm hoping to sit down with him in the new year

[0:15:05] Voice 8: and uh talk about that a bit and yes uh as mentioned uh island's trust has formally

[0:15:11] Voice 8: announced that Reuben Broney has been hired as the new Chief Administrative Officer and he comes to

[0:15:17] Voice 8: the position with many years of experience within the provincial government, most recently as

[0:15:21] Voice 8: Assistant Deputy Minister with the BC Public Service Agency and we have been fortunate to

[0:15:27] Voice 8: have our Director of Administrative Services, Julia Mauve, who has been acting as the Interim

[0:15:33] Voice 8: CAO during the past few months. She's done an amazing job of covering both roles during this

[0:15:38] Voice 8: period so much appreciation to julia so uh moving on in our agenda here uh don't think we're going

[0:15:51] Voice 8: to be joined by our electoral director area today electoral area director no i haven't heard actually

[0:15:58] Voice 8: from daniel harbour

[0:15:59] Voice 8: but i would imagine it's the reps he's probably give us a heads up if he was

[0:16:03] Voice 8: going to show up yeah okay so next is the public comment period um just remind everyone to address

[0:16:11] Voice 8: your questions to the committee um rather than staff or other members of the public in the room

[0:16:19] Voice 8: please use respectful language um and uh be concise and to the point as you can

[0:16:28] Voice 8: and uh with that i'll look for show hands who'd like to address the committee

[0:16:34] Voice 8: see you um

[0:16:36] Voice 5: i'm wondering about the housing needs assessment they trust i think that time

[0:16:40] Voice 5: weren't included in the cbrd health and i'm thinking possibly because they knew that there

[0:16:49] Voice 5: was one coming so if you could give us an update on when that might be happening i

[0:16:56] Voice 8: know that the

[0:16:57] Voice 8: province mandates it i don't know if any staff uh here today know when the expectation is but

[0:17:03] Voice 8: But it's going to be, I think, early next year, by spring, I think, that we'll be getting the notice.

[0:17:09] Voice 8: And then we have a window of time in which the province demands that we complete those.

[0:17:15] Voice 5: And leading to that, you mentioned that you met with the Minister of Rural Housing.

[0:17:21] Voice 5: Could you say that?

[0:17:23] Voice 8: So, yeah, there's actually Strathcona Regional District had put a letter out to the minister and the premier.

[0:17:30] Voice 8: mirror and um we got a copy of it at the at the executive committee and uh we just wanted to sort

[0:17:39] Voice 8: of work on and amplify that work which was around rural coastal communities and the problem is of

[0:17:45] Voice 8: course with the housing crisis in bc as we all know is not limited to large urban centers

[0:17:51] Voice 8: and the needs of small coastal communities are different um than the needs of urban centers

[0:18:00] Voice 8: And essentially, the request was, please consider a separate stream that focuses on the needs of rural communities.

[0:18:08] Voice 8: And in this context, rural coastal communities, that's where there's some alignment with Strathcona Regional District's letter.

[0:18:18] Voice 8: So we basically wanted to put the bug in the ear of provincial staff as we had an opportunity.

[0:18:25] Voice 8: And one of the staff members we spoke from is actually a person who is from Galliano Island.

[0:18:33] Voice 8: And I think we were well received. We're well listened to.

[0:18:37] Voice 8: Obviously, that person is not the final arbiter or decision maker, but we are assured that we're going to we've got the ear and we're going to have more than another chance to sort of pursue that.

[0:18:50] Voice 8: it's really about you know so many of these housing bc funding things are about how many

[0:18:57] Voice 8: numbers and that doesn't it doesn't work for the geography because the housing issues spread all

[0:19:03] Voice 8: over the province so that was the thrust there thank you is there anyone else who'd like to

[0:19:09] Voice 8: address the local trust committees okay um so moving on we have the minutes of september 13th

[0:19:20] Voice 8: for adoption any concerns with those minutes today no all right then we will adopt them as

[0:19:28] Voice 8: presented and then we have uh advisory planning commission um minutes from october 11th

[0:19:40] Voice 8: for receipt and anything on any of those minutes no okay well we've received those then

[0:19:51] Voice 8: and that brings us to the follow-up action report on page 17 and i'll look to staff see if there's

[0:20:00] Voice 8: anything you'd like to update us on there see a whole bunch of completed probably

[0:20:04] Voice 17: makes everyone

[0:20:05] Voice 17: happy right yeah

[0:20:09] Voice 3: unless you have questions about the other

[0:20:12] Voice 8: yeah no i'm continuing i only had a

[0:20:15] Voice 8: question about number 11 because there's nothing there um funky system yeah no i didn't know that

[0:20:22] Voice 8: systems are being slowly

[0:20:25] Voice 3: updated yeah so you'll get a more um standardized like this is sort of

[0:20:30] Voice 3: a fix this format but yeah

[0:20:32] Voice 3: it'll it'll become and

[0:20:34] Voice 8: it's the applications uh reports are now

[0:20:36] Voice 3: the new

[0:20:37] Voice 8: format so yeah so trustees anything on the follow-up action list today

[0:20:41] Voice 8: no okay we'll receive that for information then and that brings us to delegations so we have a

[0:20:50] Voice 8: delegation of the hornby village center working group regarding the village center on hornby

[0:20:55] Voice 8: island um

[0:20:57] Voice 18: how would you like me to be

[0:20:59] Voice 8: uh you know if you

[0:21:01] Voice 8: relax

[0:21:02] Voice 18: is great but what i

[0:21:03] Voice 8: was going to say

[0:21:04] Voice 8: is that if you're if you either pull your chair up or stand next to this little unit here it'll

[0:21:09] Voice 8: be easier for people to hear if they're attending the meeting online or are looking at the recording

[0:21:14] Voice 8: later okay

[0:21:15] Voice 18: um i'll just stand yeah yeah i'll be fairly quick um you know what's what we're calling

[0:21:24] Voice 18: the uh village center working group is uh it's just an ad hoc group but there's five of us three

[0:21:31] Voice 18: of us here actually today paul ackerson joey harris and myself two others bill havens and

[0:21:36] Voice 18: Jim Garten. Islanders with deep roots in the community. And we got together last year and

[0:21:45] Voice 18: we were starting to talk about what is developing as kind of the village center of that party,

[0:21:52] Voice 18: the Co-op Corner, Baird and Company, the Ringside, the Trillium Bay Park, which is

[0:21:59] Voice 18: getting quite an upgrade. There are other private properties around there, Elder Village.

[0:22:04] Voice 18: to try and how to go about getting some proactive planning vision going on for that area big big

[0:22:14] Voice 18: subject big idea big task so we decided maybe we should focus on something quite specific

[0:22:22] Voice 18: relatively simple to define um and we started looking at the intersection at four corners it's

[0:22:31] Voice 18: a four-way stop it's the only way to get to that whole area of the island it's virtually not every

[0:22:40] Voice 18: single car that comes off the ferry ends up at that intersection but probably 85 of them along

[0:22:46] Voice 18: with rvs and freight trucks and bicycles and strollers and people of all ages all converging

[0:22:55] Voice 18: on the intersection area which most of the time like a lot of them here it's okay it's not that

[0:23:03] Voice 18: much traffic and nobody's got run over yet but for what would you say it's like somewhere between

[0:23:13] Voice 18: eight and sixteen weeks of the summer um it's a whole different story and there are hundreds of

[0:23:25] Voice 18: of Jim Ballmer, a local Islander,

[0:23:29] Voice 18: spent some time down at the intersection over the summer.

[0:23:33] Voice 18: Any given hour, he's getting four to five to 600 vehicles

[0:23:40] Voice 18: going through the intersection,

[0:23:42] Voice 18: a vehicle defined as a car or a truck

[0:23:44] Voice 18: or a bicycle or a skateboard.

[0:23:48] Voice 18: Anyway, it's reached a point,

[0:23:50] Voice 18: probably has gone to a point where

[0:23:54] Voice 18: that's really not sustainable.

[0:23:55] Voice 18: it's not it's not safe it's not attractive uh and it's something very bad could easily happen

[0:24:07] Voice 18: so we've kind of focused in on that and i'll just quickly read our letter in this going in minutes

[0:24:14] Voice 18: like many coastal communities today harvey is under ever-increasing development pressure with

[0:24:21] Voice 18: with high levels of pedestrian and vehicular traffic

[0:24:23] Voice 18: of every kind.

[0:24:25] Voice 18: The de facto village center at Four Corners on Homely

[0:24:28] Voice 18: has reached an unsafe and unsustainable condition.

[0:24:33] Voice 18: To help correct this situation,

[0:24:35] Voice 18: we're seeking partnership with the CVRD.

[0:24:39] Voice 18: See, the problem with doing anything in that area

[0:24:42] Voice 18: is it's literally between the lines.

[0:24:45] Voice 18: Everything, every intervention that could happen there

[0:24:48] Voice 18: it involves, it happens on the Ministry of Transport land.

[0:24:56] Voice 18: So that's, and that's an agency all to itself.

[0:25:00] Voice 18: So we need, as a community,

[0:25:03] Voice 18: we need a way in to that level of government

[0:25:09] Voice 18: to help do anything.

[0:25:12] Voice 18: Okay, so we're seeking partnership with the CVRD.

[0:25:17] Voice 18: We did a delegation to the,

[0:25:22] Voice 18: to the board meeting in august and got a really we had a really positive meeting we got a very

[0:25:27] Voice 18: good response from um there's uh the province fortunately has what's called uh the bc active

[0:25:36] Voice 18: transportation structure program so all the bike lanes that you see appearing roundabouts all that

[0:25:42] Voice 18: kind of stuff most of that stuff is being run through this provincial program from the province

[0:25:48] Voice 18: through regional district or municipality or the Islands Trust

[0:25:54] Voice 18: to develop other modes, support for other modes of transportation.

[0:26:01] Voice 18: And we desperately need that on Horky.

[0:26:04] Voice 18: We need to develop a bus system.

[0:26:06] Voice 18: We need to facilitate bike riding.

[0:26:11] Voice 18: There's more and more people riding bikes, electric bikes, the whole thing.

[0:26:14] Voice 18: and especially around that area of the co-op and all the adjacent businesses.

[0:26:20] Voice 18: It's a really interesting mix of pedestrians and strollers and everything else.

[0:26:27] Voice 18: So there's a good chance that we can work with the regional district.

[0:26:31] Voice 18: These programs, the active transportation infrastructure programs,

[0:26:36] Voice 18: can only be operated by a municipality or regional district or beyond stress.

[0:26:46] Voice 18: trust. So a little group like ours, or even the rate payers

[0:26:50] Voice 18: Association, a local group, nonprofit society can't enter

[0:26:55] Voice 18: into one of these contracts. The regional district has a number

[0:27:00] Voice 18: of them. And they have funding, they've funded quite a bit on

[0:27:05] Voice 18: Denman last few years, it's kind of in line for the next stage.

[0:27:12] Voice 18: and the cbrd is being quite receptive um and they're set up to do this work but and this and

[0:27:23] Voice 18: we're not asking for the i will stress to do anything right now except show that uh

[0:27:31] Voice 18: you support this idea with a letter of support that we could have that's the one thing the cbrd

[0:27:38] Voice 18: you would like to know that we have broad community support so we're uh we have a great

[0:27:45] Voice 18: letter from the great bears association uh you know and we're just we've got all the neighbors

[0:27:50] Voice 18: we're uh we'll be going to the cast meeting in what's that december november 19th

[0:27:58] Voice 18: yeah and i don't see any reason anyone would not want to get on with this but we have to take it

[0:28:08] Voice 18: We have to get ahead of this, and nobody's going to do it for us.

[0:28:13] Voice 18: We have to push forward.

[0:28:15] Voice 18: So that's it in a nutshell.

[0:28:21] Voice 18: It's a very important hub of the community.

[0:28:25] Voice 18: Once we sort of get on top of the traffic and, you know,

[0:28:33] Voice 18: transportation infrastructure, we can zoom out a little bit

[0:28:36] Voice 18: and start looking at other aspects of that center.

[0:28:38] Voice 18: but for now that's uh that's where we're concentrating and uh hopefully uh you guys can

[0:28:46] Voice 18: support it i

[0:28:49] Voice 5: just like to make a motion i like to ask some questions

[0:28:54] Voice 4: okay um so was this you

[0:28:58] Voice 4: initially started because of safety concerns or is there because i know there's been a lot of

[0:29:02] Voice 4: discussion regarding development of the corner lance it's assuming that his idea is what he

[0:29:08] Voice 4: wants to do or pizza places and um i mean i'm really this is a bigger thing um like carrying

[0:29:18] Voice 4: capacity tourism you know it's like we're going to just keep on you know having traffic lights

[0:29:23] Voice 4: i mean just listen to that because we're getting more and more and more people every year and i am

[0:29:28] Voice 4: i'm being really i'll bring it up at the trust council it's carrying capacity over islands

[0:29:32] Voice 4: absolutely we are not looking at that we were just making bigger ferries and um

[0:29:37] Voice 4: but i totally hear you i mean you look at these pictures here and it's just nuts

[0:29:41] Voice 4: but it's only two months you know it's only easy to say it's all it's like we're hearing the same

[0:29:45] Voice 4: argument with the new co-op that it's it's been built really for the summer and not going to be

[0:29:51] Voice 4: sustainable in the year round right so i'm really uh very cognizant of this whole thing that's going

[0:29:57] Voice 4: on in orgy right now right

[0:30:00] Voice 4: to do this but yet you know how far how many people can come here how many how big some

[0:30:05] Voice 4: ferries go etc and and also concerned with dem and i in particular yeah

[0:30:09] Voice 17: and

[0:30:10] Voice 4: also um yeah so i'd

[0:30:13] Voice 4: really like to know there's got to be more beyond than just safety absolutely absolutely

[0:30:17] Voice 18: and that's

[0:30:18] Voice 18: yeah that's the whole point actually we started looking at the bigger picture and decided that

[0:30:26] Voice 18: that that was gonna be kind of a hard sell

[0:30:27] Voice 18: to get a vision developed enough

[0:30:31] Voice 18: to be able to get broad support because what is it?

[0:30:35] Voice 18: And there's this ongoing conundrum

[0:30:37] Voice 18: about summer versus winter,

[0:30:39] Voice 18: and what is the community and how do you support that?

[0:30:48] Voice 18: That's as old as forever, that conundrum,

[0:30:52] Voice 18: that's not going away.

[0:30:53] Voice 18: way. And whatever improvements we can make that sort of complete the picture will be

[0:31:04] Voice 18: year-round. It'll be an ongoing benefit. If we support active transportation and an

[0:31:14] Voice 18: expanded bus service, all that kind of stuff, that's good year-round. It's not as critical

[0:31:20] Voice 18: pulling in the winter as it is in the summer but it's not a bad thing yeah

[0:31:27] Voice 4: and i i told you you

[0:31:29] Voice 4: know i've worked on the gas part a corner when i try and pull out that first driveway in the

[0:31:33] Voice 10: parking lot

[0:31:33] Voice 4: and then the ferry's coming off there and then somebody's coming on john's driveway and

[0:31:37] Voice 4: somebody's coming from ford's cove and somebody's from again the co-op it's just ridiculous i can

[0:31:42] Voice 4: count like maybe 10 cars before i can get out so

[0:31:45] Voice 18: i'm not in disagreement with that one at all

[0:31:47] Voice 18: But then there's everyone else kind of greeting their friends.

[0:31:51] Voice 18: Yeah, I mean, it's brilliant conversations.

[0:31:54] Voice 4: Are you familiar with the Railway Lands?

[0:31:57] Voice 4: It's a railway, it's in Camber River.

[0:32:00] Voice 4: Basically, it's little micro businesses that's funded through the World Economic something or another.

[0:32:06] Voice 4: And there's five little businesses, and I think they borrowed the model from Langford.

[0:32:10] Voice 4: But it's just, it's a really lovely thing to start it up for all these community members

[0:32:16] Voice 4: is it like this is because i know our biggest thing is the lack of commercial opportunities

[0:32:20] Voice 4: for people instead of just home occupations that's right

[0:32:22] Voice 4: that's part of the vision

[0:32:24] Voice 18: try to keep the ball rolling in the right direction yeah before other things uh cover

[0:32:30] Voice 18: off those possibilities so

[0:32:35] Voice 8: um yeah thanks for your presentation i i've been horny enough to

[0:32:39] Voice 8: know exactly what you're talking about and i've been here in the summer when it's really congested

[0:32:45] Voice 8: um i just i know that uh uh trustee scott's got a motion in the works but in terms of letter of

[0:32:52] Voice 8: support uh it would be for the your working group right um but is there more specifics that you

[0:33:01] Voice 8: would want in a letter like is it that we support you working in conjunction with cbrd uh for active

[0:33:08] Voice 8: of transportation grants or for planning or like it's it's it's helpful to know if if there's

[0:33:15] Voice 8: specific things that you want us to address like obviously safety is kind of a no-brainer

[0:33:21] Voice 8: but it sounds like moti uh is probably in charge like if you were gonna say do some

[0:33:29] Voice 8: uh active transportation lanes that sort of encroached on the corners or whatever they

[0:33:35] Voice 8: made more space for the non-vehicle traffic um and and then things like bussing of course that helps

[0:33:43] Voice 8: reduce congestion of course could you get all year round i'm just wondering if you have some

[0:33:47] Voice 8: specifics that you want included in a letter of support so that we get it right i think at this

[0:33:52] Voice 5: stage it's good to keep the support kind of general at

[0:33:56] Voice 8: that stage

[0:33:57] Voice 5: i don't think it's quite got

[0:34:00] Voice 5: detailed questions so that was the motion i was just going to say the local trust committee

[0:34:06] Voice 5: supports the initiative of looking for improvements so that so that that would

[0:34:11] Voice 5: just say that they could go to the different organizations to start to package this thing

[0:34:16] Voice 5: up knowing their

[0:34:16] Voice 18: support here's here's a quote from the uh from the resolution of the cvr

[0:34:22] Voice 18: rv that staff work with the harmony village center delegation to investigate potential

[0:34:28] Voice 18: improvements to transportation and infrastructure so that's quite gentle they're they're keeping it

[0:34:36] Voice 18: pretty open but we want to keep it focused on that one area so that we can

[0:34:41] Voice 18: make some make a concrete improvement that's

[0:34:46] Voice 5: going to be what this motion

[0:34:47] Voice 5: sure no

[0:34:49] Voice 18: we can keep building okay

[0:34:53] Voice 8: yeah no just fair enough i just wasn't sure where you were

[0:34:56] Voice 8: at and how specific you wanted a letter of support yeah

[0:35:00] Voice 16: well that's great yeah thank you michael yeah

[0:35:03] Voice 16: um so would it not be appropriate to ask specifically for their stating their support

[0:35:10] Voice 16: for us seeking an active transportation planning grant or would it be better to leave it

[0:35:17] Voice 16: i think it's

[0:35:18] Voice 18: broader i think it's good to leave it open yeah yeah you can

[0:35:21] Voice 5: take this

[0:35:23] Voice 5: and affix it to an application yeah

[0:35:26] Voice 8: well and the other thing i was going to say is if you

[0:35:29] Voice 8: have a specific grant uh application that another letter being specific you know by all means come

[0:35:36] Voice 8: back it

[0:35:37] Voice 7: doesn't seem like it's

[0:35:38] Voice 8: controversial amongst this group to support that yeah

[0:35:41] Voice 8: wasn't looking at improvements this

[0:35:42] Voice 5: is like ground zero basically yeah

[0:35:44] Voice 8: yeah yeah

[0:35:47] Voice 8: totally understand um do you have a motion ready to go i do all right that

[0:35:52] Voice 5: the hornby island local

[0:35:54] Voice 5: trust committee supports the local initiative to seek ways to improve the safety and infrastructure

[0:36:05] Voice 5: structure at the so we're doing that at the four corners something like that write

[0:36:13] Voice 4: a letter of

[0:36:14] Voice 4: support yeah

[0:36:15] Voice 5: or

[0:36:15] Voice 4: write a letter of support yeah we're writing a letter of support that's not

[0:36:22] Voice 4: into motion you're just saying supporting oh

[0:36:25] Voice 5: okay yeah so who'll be writing the letter to

[0:36:30] Voice 18: to whom it may concern we'll take it to the regional district okay

[0:36:38] Voice 8: um let's check in with

[0:36:40] Voice 8: our amazing minute taker and see what of that you got

[0:36:46] Voice 5: that the hornby island local trust committee write a letter of support

[0:36:53] Voice 5: supporting the local initiative to seek ways to improve the safety infrastructure at the four

[0:37:02] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:37:03] Voice 4: should we include

[0:37:04] Voice 8: the Hornby Village Center working group?

[0:37:06] Voice 4: Yes, and

[0:37:07] Voice 4: get rid of the supporting.

[0:37:09] Voice 5: I wasn't going to suggest we write a letter.

[0:37:12] Voice 5: That starts to get complicated.

[0:37:13] Voice 5: I was just going to say that we support.

[0:37:16] Voice 5: You could take that as support.

[0:37:21] Voice 5: You want to come back and write a letter,

[0:37:23] Voice 5: and you think we'd further that support, we could do that.

[0:37:29] Voice 8: So your intent was not to write a letter?

[0:37:32] Voice 8: just keep

[0:37:33] Voice 5: it general so that you guys you've got this um

[0:37:37] Voice 18: we would like

[0:37:38] Voice 5: to have one okay

[0:37:40] Voice 8: so let's let's check back in with our minute taker who i is i know is a miracle worker but

[0:37:45] Voice 8: when she's fed a word salad like this who knows uh

[0:37:48] Voice 4: that the hornby island local trust committee

[0:37:50] Voice 4: write a letter of support of the hornby village center working group in

[0:37:57] Voice 5: seeking ways to improve

[0:37:58] Voice 5: the safety and

[0:37:59] Voice 4: infrastructure at the four corners of the village court

[0:38:01] Voice 16: does that sound good could we

[0:38:04] Voice 16: man sorry

[0:38:06] Voice 4: um instead of all for the

[0:38:11] Voice 7: group or yes support of the support

[0:38:16] Voice 16: and could could it

[0:38:20] Voice 16: at the end say and to seek an active transportation planning grant or is that no we'll come back okay

[0:38:27] Voice 16: Yeah,

[0:38:28] Voice 8: I think when you're ready for specifics and then go for that.

[0:38:31] Voice 8: Yeah, and I'm going to look to staff.

[0:38:34] Voice 3: Yeah, thanks, Chair.

[0:38:35] Voice 3: Sorry to interrupt, but the LTC could direct staff to work with the group to draft a letter for chair's approval.

[0:38:44] Voice 3: That's that, right?

[0:38:45] Voice 3: If you want to get specifics, staff could work with you to get a letter that's acceptable to the village group, and then the LTC could approve that.

[0:38:55] Voice 3: If you don't want staff involved, that's fine.

[0:38:59] If one of the

[0:39:00] Voice 3: trust committee is going to draft a letter, that's fine.

[0:39:03] Voice 3: If not, it should, the resolution should include the staff.

[0:39:09] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:39:10] Voice 3: Are

[0:39:11] Voice 8: you guys open to working with our staff to draft this letter?

[0:39:15] Voice 8: I'm sure if it can go fairly.

[0:39:17] Voice 8: I'm

[0:39:17] Voice 3: just suggesting that if the LTC wants that, it should be in the resolution.

[0:39:22] Voice 3: Yeah, okay.

[0:39:23] Voice 4: Trustee

[0:39:24] Voice 3: Allen.

[0:39:25] Voice 3: Well,

[0:39:25] Voice 4: I think at this stage we should just do the letter from us trustees and not involve the staff until it gets to that next level where it's talking about land planning, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:39:35] Voice 4: You want it now?

[0:39:38] Voice 4: Yeah,

[0:39:38] Voice 8: yeah, we do.

[0:39:39] Voice 8: Okay, so let's

[0:39:40] Voice 8: keep it simple.

[0:39:42] Voice 8: And then absolutely when there's more concrete stuff to work on, we can direct staff to work with you.

[0:39:49] Voice 8: and if there's specific granting we can you know make real specific letters in support of that kind

[0:39:55] Voice 8: of thing so

[0:39:56] Voice 3: who's writing the letter uh the ltc and the chair or yes okay how

[0:40:03] Voice 8: does it read right

[0:40:04] Voice 8: now is

[0:40:05] Voice 9: that the hornby island local trust

[0:40:07] Voice 5: committee write a letter of support for the

[0:40:09] Voice 5: hornby village center working group in seeking ways to improve the safety and infrastructure

[0:40:14] Voice 5: at the four corners of the village core okay

[0:40:16] Voice 8: that's nice in general i'm going to consider

[0:40:19] Voice 8: that move to do have a seconder all right that's uh discussion on the motion not seeing any okay

[0:40:27] Voice 8: let's call the question all those in favor and that carries thank

[0:40:32] Voice 17: you very much absolutely by

[0:40:34] Voice 8: all means if you need additional or more specific support come on back we're all here okay so um

[0:40:45] Voice 8: Um, next, uh, we reordered to put, uh, item 12.1 next, which is, uh, page 657 of the

[0:40:58] Voice 8: agenda, the Beale Creek Housing Agreement, bylaw number 178.

[0:41:06] Voice 8: We have a staff report, and I'll look to Planner Cox to lead us on.

[0:41:11] Voice 17: Sure.

[0:41:13] Voice 17: Six, five, seven.

[0:41:14] Voice 17: Yes, so through the chair, we've got a draft by-law which includes a housing agreement

[0:41:27] for consideration.

[0:41:29] The first three readings, you can't adopt it if you wanted to before it goes to executive

[0:41:37] committee.

[0:41:38] So the recommendations would be to approve, to accept it by three readings or to executive

[0:41:46] committee and then you could consider adopting it following that.

[0:41:50] Voice 3: And that could be done if there was no discussion required or desired for your next visit.

[0:42:04] Voice 3: Generally, while you have the report, so staff can take any questions, in some ways, consider it pretty straightforward,

[0:42:14] given that it's a piece of property that was zoned for community housing over a decade ago.

[0:42:23] Voice 3: through an LTC land use by-law and

[0:42:26] Voice 17: land amendment.

[0:42:30] So I'm sure that folks have history with this project

[0:42:33] and the property over the years,

[0:42:36] but just for those of you who don't know this,

[0:42:39] usually a housing agreement,

[0:42:41] but what we've seen it trusted me

[0:42:42] comes through a rezoning application

[0:42:45] to amend a

[0:42:45] Voice 3: by-law to change the zoning,

[0:42:47] Voice 3: to allow affordable community housing.

[0:42:49] Voice 3: But you know, the property over the years

[0:42:52] Voice 3: is that many trustees uh

[0:42:58] Voice 5: i presume i've kind of lost in what you're saying but i presume

[0:43:05] Voice 5: the recommendations of course what's going on yeah

[0:43:12] Voice 3: i believe so we mentioned that at the beginning

[0:43:15] Voice 3: yeah the three resolutions would are are recommending that the ldc accept the agreement

[0:43:24] Voice 3: it and enter into it and then forward it to the executive committee for approval

[0:43:29] Voice 3: yeah

[0:43:30] Voice 5: okay

[0:43:33] Voice 8: well before we rush into motion so let's just give everyone the opportunity uh

[0:43:38] Voice 8: any questions for the planner and thank you uh mr cox for your report trustee alan do you have

[0:43:46] Voice 8: anything i

[0:43:46] Voice 7: don't think so no it

[0:43:52] Voice 8: doesn't really pertain to you no decision-making or something

[0:43:54] Voice 8: i'll answer okay so uh i'll entertain you which if you'd like to make the first motion go ahead

[0:44:00] Voice 8: sure i'll move

[0:44:02] Voice 5: that the hornby i hope the trust committee by our number 178 saying is when we are

[0:44:07] Voice 5: holding agreement by our number 178 2024 we read a first time moved a second

[0:44:14] Voice 8: by trustee allen

[0:44:15] Voice 8: uh any discussion

[0:44:16] Voice 9: seeing

[0:44:19] Voice 8: any i'll call the questions could i

[0:44:21] Voice 9: make a request

[0:44:24] Voice 9: So I have small, but I believe it's

[0:44:27] Voice 9: an insignificant provision to request.

[0:44:33] Voice 9: I'm looking at draft page 8, section F.

[0:44:43] Voice 9: It's under statutory declaration from the owner.

[0:44:47] Voice 9: In most sections throughout this, where appropriate, it has said or lessee.

[0:44:54] Voice 9: so this would be on the third line of section f number uh page eight following the word owner

[0:45:02] Voice 9: uh it would say sworn by owner or lessee so it's to add or lessee okay

[0:45:12] Voice 8: and is this the agreement

[0:45:13] Voice 8: itself or is this in the bylaw sorry i'm just having trouble finding uh my page numbering

[0:45:20] Voice 8: is not appeared to be the same as yours what letter

[0:45:24] Voice 4: was it 677 was it letter j k l m n o p

[0:45:29] Voice 15: sorry it's um okay yeah it's on page

[0:45:32] Voice 8: 677.

[0:45:34] Voice 15: sorry j sorry it's um or sorry sorry no it's a yeah it's

[0:45:38] Voice 15: a statutory declaration from the owner um

[0:45:42] Voice 9: the draft bylaw 178 document that prints up separately

[0:45:47] Voice 9: page eight okay

[0:45:50] Voice 8: uh and look to staff um on that is there any issue with adding or less either

[0:45:58] Voice 8: staff doesn't believe so we

[0:46:00] Voice 3: almost got to

[0:46:00] Voice 8: explaining that but uh okay

[0:46:02] Voice 3: but uh yeah so

[0:46:05] Voice 3: the uh explain that we can explain what the implications of that are if anyone yeah

[0:46:13] Voice 3: I

[0:46:13] Voice 9: should perhaps say I'm representing the Hornby Island Housing Society, and Jamie McGeen is representing the McCullough Housing Society, so you have the two parties here, the lessee and the...

[0:46:27] Voice 15: I'm here on behalf of the McCullough Housing Society as their development consultant.

[0:46:31] Voice 8: Okay, so amending section F to add or lessee is your request here?

[0:46:41] Voice 8: That's correct.

[0:46:42] Voice 8: yeah and i think we've heard from staff there's not any concern to that

[0:46:45] Voice 3: no so

[0:46:46] Voice 8: i've considered this really an internal matter

[0:46:49] Voice 3: about how this is carried out okay

[0:46:53] Voice 8: trustee sorry

[0:46:54] Voice 4: just in light of this new information because um i'm not a lawyer but

[0:47:01] Voice 4: there you know i know the owner has had many issues with the way this whole housing has

[0:47:06] Voice 4: played out and so i just want to know whether where is that at is it the owner stepped back

[0:47:12] Voice 4: and now where it's okay to carry on or who

[0:47:15] Voice 4: are you referring to as the oh yeah i guess

[0:47:18] Voice 4: the owner of

[0:47:21] Voice 18: the housing society yeah

[0:47:23] Voice 4: okay yeah so previous owners sort of

[0:47:28] Voice 4: beyond the previous owner holds

[0:47:31] Voice 18: a covenant okay that's which will retire once this housing

[0:47:38] Voice 18: So

[0:47:38] Voice 15: the covenant is actually, it goes with the land and not with the individuals.

[0:47:44] Voice 15: So the covenant on title is attached to the land that

[0:47:50] Voice 15: they've previously owned.

[0:47:51] Voice 15: And so the covenant would then go with the new owner of that land, but the covenant is still on title.

[0:47:58] Voice 15: And so once the housing agreement is registered, the covenant would become obsolete per the wording of the covenant.

[0:48:07] Voice 15: covenant okay thank you but it's kind

[0:48:10] Voice 15: of a separate matter i

[0:48:12] Voice 17: guess yes all

[0:48:13] Voice 5: right thank you

[0:48:13] Voice 5: before we do this motion here maybe we should do a motion to change that wording uh well if we want

[0:48:22] Voice 5: to

[0:48:22] Voice 8: amend the the wording then we should definitely do that before we yeah pass the motion on the floor

[0:48:27] Voice 8: go ahead yeah i think we're

[0:48:28] Voice 3: going to discuss that i just want to point out that a plant uh manager

[0:48:31] Voice 3: under Jamerat is on the line

[0:48:33] Voice 8: and hasn't had it.

[0:48:33] Voice 8: So maybe there's something out there before.

[0:48:36] Voice 8: Okay, great.

[0:48:37] Voice 8: Let's hear from RPM Jamerat then.

[0:48:41] Voice 2: Hi, good afternoon, Chair and Trustees.

[0:48:44] Voice 2: If I may suggest for clarification,

[0:48:48] Voice 2: it may be helpful for Planner Cox

[0:48:51] Voice 2: to provide a bit more of a overall report summary

[0:48:56] Voice 2: because there's a lot of good information in the report

[0:48:59] Voice 2: that I think addresses some of the questions about the,

[0:49:03] Voice 2: The ownership of the property currently, what the agreement is looking to do, and also address any of the discussions on the revisions for the agreement and how they can be addressed for the LTC.

[0:49:19] Voice 2: I believe that maybe a bit more of a briefing overview would help answer some of those questions.

[0:49:27] Voice 8: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:49:29] Voice 8: Trustees, can we let the planner tell us what he was planning to tell us?

[0:49:40] I'm not sure specifically what you want to do, but let's just follow along from that.

[0:49:47] The former property owner and the owner of the lands is a party to a covenant

[0:49:53] Voice 3: that runs

[0:49:54] Voice 3: with the land, as Jamie has mentioned, and there is a clause in that that basically says

[0:50:06] Voice 3: once the local trust me enters into a housing agreement that that covenant then becomes obsolete

[0:50:12] Voice 3: so that's that part um effectively the housing agreement then replaces what that covenant was

[0:50:20] trying to do which was to um

[0:50:22] Voice 3: you know secure that land for community housing as it's defined in your

[0:50:26] Voice 3: bylaw and included as a permitted use on that property is that is that clear that part yeah

[0:50:34] Voice 3: Yeah. So that's the existing part. I think you've reviewed the housing agreement. They can answer any of those questions. This doesn't require, just for clarity for the public as well, under the new provincial legislation, this doesn't require a public hearing because it's directly related to a housing matter in terms of a bylaw, which is why you're not being recommended to do a public hearing.

[0:51:05] that's not normal

[0:51:06] Voice 3: for other bylaws but under the new legislation not to be more expedient

[0:51:15] for housing um yeah

[0:51:19] Voice 3: i don't think i have too much more okay if you have more questions specifically

[0:51:23] Voice 3: great yeah yeah

[0:51:25] Voice 8: i would take it um local trustees would have a good idea whether there was need for

[0:51:30] Voice 8: public hearing just because we don't have to doesn't mean we can't but uh i know you don't

[0:51:36] Voice 8: see either of you um demanding that at this point so i i i would assume this is well well supported

[0:51:45] Voice 8: so um so i guess what we need to do is uh we'll table the motion that's on the floor

[0:51:54] Voice 8: and and uh and look at the uh amendment and then we'll come back to that motion all right

[0:52:00] Voice 8: okay so i guess this would be uh a motion uh it would be a motion to amend the housing

[0:52:20] Voice 8: agreement and section 219 covenant by adding the words or less c under section f statutory

[0:52:35] Voice 8: to our declaration excuse me is that the covenant or is that the housing it's the draft it's the

[0:52:45] Voice 8: draft it's it's both actually it says i just read the title out so i wasn't totally sure

[0:52:51] Voice 8: um so would you like to make that motion do

[0:52:54] Voice 4: we have to acknowledge that it was from the housing

[0:52:58] Voice 4: society that i

[0:53:02] Voice 8: don't think that needs to be that doesn't need to be in the motion

[0:53:04] Voice 8: i mean we're just responding to a request from the applicant

[0:53:08] Voice 4: okay then i move that we request

[0:53:11] Voice 4: staff add the word lessee after order in section F in the covenant and housing agreement draft

[0:53:26] Voice 3: November 1st 2020. So I would say to amend the draft covenant as presented by adding

[0:53:36] Voice 3: staff to do that that's just you are actually we're amending it actually

[0:53:40] Voice 8: amending the covenant

[0:53:41] Voice 8: before you go thanks okay let's check in with our minute taker and see how the motion sounds

[0:53:46] Voice 8: until this moment okay

[0:53:49] Voice 9: i've kind of got two two here um local trust committee and word lessee

[0:53:56] Voice 9: after

[0:53:57] Voice 5: owner in section f of covenant of the housing agreement or lessee yeah or less or less

[0:54:18] Voice 17: i think

[0:54:20] Voice 9: yeah um i

[0:54:25] Voice 17: think that's

[0:54:28] Voice 4: how i passed the

[0:54:29] Voice 17: motion is that everywhere

[0:54:30] Voice 17: where it's mentioned i guess it's fine is

[0:54:32] Voice 4: that it understood uh i'm just saying what she's saying

[0:54:39] Voice 4: any mention of owner in the section f or less yeah i think so

[0:54:44] Voice 3: um lisa read the motion back and

[0:54:50] Voice 3: absolutely that's always good to know what we're voting on the

[0:54:54] Voice 5: army island local trust committee

[0:54:55] Voice 5: add words or lessee after owner in section f covenant of housing agreement that's sufficient

[0:55:04] Voice 3: for staff so i would suggest that the hornby local trust committee amend the draft housing

[0:55:09] agreement

[0:55:10] Voice 3: by adding x in that section okay yeah

[0:55:24] Voice 7: just waiting on that

[0:55:26] Voice 5: i'm sure that the housing that sorry that the hornby island local trust

[0:55:30] Voice 5: committee amend the draft housing agreement by adding words or lessee after owner in section

[0:55:36] Voice 5: f of the covenant of the housing agreement so

[0:55:40] Voice 7: no not the seconder seconded by trustee scott

[0:55:46] Voice 7: any further discussion we're

[0:55:51] Voice 9: happy not

[0:55:53] Voice 7: seeing any further discussion

[0:55:59] Voice 4: okay then i'll

[0:56:01] Voice 7: call the question all those in favor and

[0:56:06] Voice 8: the motion carries

[0:56:07] Voice 7: we happy

[0:56:07] Voice 5: out there sure are

[0:56:08] Voice 8: we okay so let's go back to our emotions

[0:56:11] Voice 5: okay so

[0:56:17] Voice 8: now

[0:56:20] Voice 5: let's

[0:56:26] Voice 8: bring the motion back that we just tabled a minute ago which was to uh

[0:56:31] Voice 8: uh to uh read bylaw 178 the first time yeah so any further discussion on that motion

[0:56:43] Voice 8: i'm not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[0:56:46] Voice 8: and that motion carries unanimously there is a second motion there

[0:56:50] Voice 8: i'll go

[0:56:51] Voice 4: back towards okay i move that the hornby and local trust committee bylaw number 178

[0:56:57] Voice 4: site is cornby island housing agreement bylaw number 178 2024 be read a second time as amended

[0:57:03] Voice 4: as amended oh

[0:57:05] Voice 8: and in fact the first one should have been as amended too do you need us to go

[0:57:11] Voice 8: back and fix that sorry yes okay

[0:57:14] Voice 8: so why don't we say uh let's do this as the first time as amended

[0:57:26] Voice 8: second okay uh any further discussion uh call the question all those in favor

[0:57:33] Voice 8: okay now let's read it a second time as amended go so

[0:57:38] Voice 5: are we doing the third one yes

[0:57:40] Voice 8: yeah no we're

[0:57:42] Voice 8: we're doing

[0:57:42] Voice 8: the second one

[0:57:43] Voice 5: no i just did the second one

[0:57:44] Voice 8: we just went back and did the first

[0:57:45] Voice 8: one right now we're doing the second one right i think you

[0:57:49] Voice 8: said it okay it

[0:57:50] Voice 4: was okay i'll say

[0:57:51] Voice 4: deliver again yeah he did say it absolutely i thought it

[0:57:54] Voice 4: was captured okay number two

[0:57:56] Voice 4: yeah again it's feeling that the warm down the local trust committee bylaw number 178

[0:58:01] Voice 4: cited as hormion and housing agreement number 178 2024 you've read it the second time as amended

[0:58:07] Voice 8: excellent seconded by trustee scott any further discussion seeing none i'll call the question

[0:58:15] Voice 8: all those in favor motion carries and number three that

[0:58:20] Voice 5: the harmony i will trust community

[0:58:22] Voice 5: the bylaw number 178 cited as Hornby Island housing agreement bylaw 178.24 be read a third

[0:58:28] Voice 5: time as amended

[0:58:29] Voice 8: moved second by trustee Allen any further discussion seeing any I'll call the

[0:58:35] Voice 8: question all those in favor or motion carries and

[0:58:39] Voice 4: finally and number four finally that's the

[0:58:41] Voice 4: local trust committee bylaw number 178 cited as Hornby Island housing agreement bylaw number 178

[0:58:47] Voice 4: 2024 be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust for google by the executive committee as

[0:58:54] Voice 4: amended right

[0:58:56] Voice 8: uh moved in

[0:58:59] Voice 5: a second trustee scott yeah you added after 2024 as amended

[0:59:06] Voice 5: he did say yeah yeah yeah all right

[0:59:12] Voice 8: any further discussion not seeing any i'll

[0:59:15] Voice 8: call the question

[0:59:16] Voice 8: all those in favor and the motion carries thank you trustees and then that brings us back into

[0:59:27] Voice 8: our regular order so we have uh denman island local trust area bylaw number 250 referral

[0:59:38] Voice 8: starting on page 23 over to staff thanks so this would just be similar to the last referral that

[0:59:48] that the LTC had an interest or unaffected

[0:59:51] or not

[0:59:51] Voice 3: at all interested to discuss

[0:59:52] Voice 3: and provide any other comments.

[0:59:56] Voice 8: Okay, trustees, any comments on the...

[1:00:00] Voice 8: referral here no

[1:00:02] Voice 17: no

[1:00:06] Voice 8: so i believe a motion would be that the hornby island local trust committee

[1:00:14] Voice 8: i move

[1:00:15] Voice 4: that the hornby island local trust committee approve respond

[1:00:21] Voice 8: to where is it

[1:00:22] Voice 8: well i don't think there's i don't think there's a motion in the package

[1:00:27] Voice 4: to respond to the Demmon Island By-law Referral Form 250-LUB.

[1:00:36] Voice 3: Yes. You can just read that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by the By-law.

[1:00:43] Voice 4: I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee are unaffected by the Demmon Island Local Trust Area By-law Number 250-LUB, October 16, 2024.

[1:00:54] Voice 4: 24. okay so

[1:00:56] Voice 8: moved seconded by trustee scott discussion not seeing any uh we'll call the

[1:01:04] Voice 8: question all those in favor motion carries okay moving on uh next we have the orbea resort

[1:01:14] Voice 8: covenant discharge request memorandum starting at page 26 and i'll turn it over to

[1:01:23] Voice 3: is it uh is it rpm or is it user no thank you chair um this is similar to a request that you

[1:01:30] Voice 3: had on your last agenda if you recall for the green earth covenant um that's been two meetings

[1:01:36] this is another covenant that's on the property um that was registered when the properties were

[1:01:42] of separate parcels and it was dealing with the parking so now that the parcels have been

[1:01:51] amalgamated um the owner is requesting that this thing be discharged uh in order to have

[1:01:58] a cleaner title and it's effectively

[1:02:01] Voice 3: moot because you're uh you know one piece now so uh the parking

[1:02:08] Voice 3: is on the same lot

[1:02:12] Voice 5: that piece you understand that that piece of property is on the other side

[1:02:28] Voice 5: Now, does this mean they could stick a pub and a cafe over there?

[1:02:32] Voice 5: Because it was always just for parking.

[1:02:37] Voice 5: Are we leaving when we take that change as covenant?

[1:02:42] Voice 5: I don't think that's what we intend to do.

[1:02:44] Voice 5: We

[1:02:44] Voice 17: don't want a

[1:02:45] Voice 5: whole bunch of development in our townhouses going on.

[1:02:47] Voice 5: So this covenant was just that that parcel should provide parking for the other space but not that it necessarily so the LTC could request legal review of this if it wished to better understand staff is we have an understanding of this but staff is not legal professionals.

[1:03:12] So if the LTC wanted to be absolutely sure of what this Covenant did

[1:03:18] Voice 3: in its entirety,

[1:03:19] Voice 3: it could request some more information from the applicant.

[1:03:22] Voice 3: Our understanding in reading it is that it was intended to provide parking in an area,

[1:03:30] Voice 3: but not necessarily that it had only to be in that location.

[1:03:35] Voice 3: But that could be something that you request more information on.

[1:03:40] Voice 3: The

[1:03:41] Voice 5: weird thing is that because the other side of the road is zoned, that zoning will then apply.

[1:03:51] Voice 5: That was never the intent of the piece of property, so I think maybe we should...

[1:03:54] Voice 3: But the zoning has applied as a parcel since it became one, as far as I understand.

[1:04:07] Voice 4: Yeah, once again, I'm not a lawyer and I had to read this over and over and over and over again.

[1:04:11] Voice 4: And, yeah, I'd definitely like to hear a legal point, because when I read on page 32 of the original covenant, I read that restriction on land number one, the owner covenants and agrees with the committee pursuant to section 215 of the Land Title Act, that neither the lands, nor the resort, nor any other building on the lands or any portion of them shall be used as a dining facility.

[1:04:44] Voice 4: for guests of the resort or for the public generally the lease should expire so it still doesn't does that mean you know what is they couldn't have a building there before but now they can't so i find this i'm not a lawyer so i'm not informed enough to so which section

[1:05:01] Voice 8: page 32 number one you referenced it in the analysis and considerations

[1:05:05] Voice 8: page 32

[1:05:10] Voice 4: of the agenda package page four of the covenant okay

[1:05:13] Voice 4: Okay, section number

[1:05:16] Voice 5: one, restriction on land section.

[1:05:21] Voice 5: Yeah, and then, yeah, I mean, I'll just be frank today.

[1:05:29] Voice 5: I'm not gonna vote on this again.

[1:05:31] Voice 5: I find it a bit complicated, I don't understand

[1:05:33] Voice 5: what it exactly means.

[1:05:35] Voice 5: Aren't we, in effect, removing that statement right there?

[1:05:40] Voice 5: We own the covenants and agrees with the committee

[1:05:42] Voice 5: to pursue it at 9-0 of the lands,

[1:05:45] Voice 5: so we're removing that covenant.

[1:05:53] Voice 5: i still don't get it so it sounds to me like

[1:05:55] Voice 5: if

[1:05:56] Voice 8: the committee wants to um if he wants to

[1:06:00] Voice 8: request some legal advice on this we can certainly do that it's a good idea to be real clear on

[1:06:06] Voice 8: what the implications are well

[1:06:09] Voice 5: there's so much distrust on the island what's going on

[1:06:12] Voice 5: due diligence

[1:06:15] Voice 8: i'm in support of that so would one of you like there's

[1:06:25] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:06:27] Voice 14: I was just asking,

[1:06:28] Voice 5: Trustee Pearson, what the cost implications of this for us?

[1:06:33] Voice 5: It's probably in that range.

[1:06:36] Voice 5: Which is fine, because I'm not, I

[1:06:40] Voice 8: don't feel comfortable with the information I have right now.

[1:06:42] Voice 8: Absolutely. If you both have questions that staff can't answer, let's pursue that. That's what we have legal counsel for.

[1:06:49] Voice 8: it's okay it costs money that's this is just reality but so

[1:06:54] Voice 4: the alternative um that's not

[1:06:58] Voice 4: the alternative

[1:06:58] Voice 8: that's not that in there though so it

[1:07:00] Voice 8: would be something like that the local trust

[1:07:03] Voice 8: committee um referred

[1:07:06] Voice 5: to me for clarification christophe for

[1:07:09] Voice 8: the council yeah clarification

[1:07:11] Voice 8: on this whole thing whatever it's called on restricted

[1:07:17] Voice 8: covenant eg107386 yes would that

[1:07:23] Voice 8: be sufficient

[1:07:24] Voice 3: um okay great

[1:07:39] Voice 8: uh rpm camera go ahead

[1:07:42] Voice 8: it hi

[1:07:43] Voice 2: good afternoon chair and ltc uh trustees um i understand i just wanted to provide an

[1:07:49] Voice 2: opportunity perhaps um to um clarify the question um from trustee i believe trustee scott and

[1:07:57] Voice 2: trustee grant uh trustee allen and trustee grant um is the question about why the parking lot um

[1:08:06] Voice 2: Why the parking would still be needed and what the covenant from the staff report, the covenant is no longer needed because the lot is now, pardon me, let me backtrack.

[1:08:22] Voice 2: On page 27 of the agenda, it explains the reason for the restrictive covenant, which was to capture the parking lot on a separate lot.

[1:08:36] Voice 2: So now that the lot is one, so both lots have been amalgamated into one lot, the covenant is no longer needed because the parking is all in one lot now, contained all in one lot.

[1:08:52] Voice 2: So does that help clarify the question about why the covenant, based on the information provided to us, on why the covenant is no longer needed?

[1:09:02] Voice 2: um the parking to address the dining facility is now addressed all on one site as opposed to

[1:09:09] Voice 2: the original purpose which was to have the covenant because for the separate

[1:09:17] Voice 2: for the parking contain on a separate lot so it's a a development um it was a development

[1:09:24] Voice 2: piece to make sure that the parking requirements were captured for the overall development and now

[1:09:31] Voice 2: that the lot is one lot it's no long the covenant is no longer needed sorry

[1:09:36] Voice 4: it still doesn't address

[1:09:37] Voice 4: my concerns um back when this whole application was put out there was issues with parking with uh

[1:09:47] Voice 4: moji and bc ferries and i don't think that's being addressed actually and i don't think

[1:09:51] Voice 4: their parking if they take that upper level parking it's not going to address the parking

[1:09:55] Voice 4: for the pub frankly at all it's a tiny little spot for parking that they have allowed and i

[1:10:01] Voice 4: I think there's repercussions because there's also

[1:10:03] Voice 4: these various looking expansions there.

[1:10:06] Voice 4: And so there's a lot of unknowns.

[1:10:09] Voice 4: And so it also comes across to me

[1:10:13] Voice 4: that they could put something building up there

[1:10:16] Voice 4: in a parking lot.

[1:10:17] Voice 4: So I need more information before I can go.

[1:10:20] Voice 5: Justice Gutt, I think the wording should be,

[1:10:23] Voice 5: if the covenant is removed,

[1:10:26] Voice 5: what uses may then be made

[1:10:31] Voice 5: of that piece where the covenant is being removed is because you know just i think that's

[1:10:39] Voice 5: what we want to see what yeah

[1:10:45] Voice 3: sure that's fine if the lgc wants out that question i think the staff

[1:10:50] Voice 3: i think our review of that is not this isn't actually what the covenant's doing

[1:10:55] it's basically saying that while the lease is in place which no longer exists because it's one

[1:11:00] the problem while the leases in place there's this requirement to provide information um

[1:11:07] on a yearly basis um certifying that leases and full force effect blah blah and that

[1:11:13] and then those premises which is like used to be the other portion the pump portion

[1:11:18] Voice 3: can't be used

[1:11:19] Voice 3: as a dining facility unless you carry out the parking on this property right so i don't think

[1:11:26] we don't understand it to be that it is restrictive to the use of the uh

[1:11:33] Voice 3: what you

[1:11:33] Voice 3: would call the the portion across the road right so um but the ltc can certainly ask that question

[1:11:44] Voice 7: okay

[1:11:45] Voice 5: let's just go down a little bit further which is going back the people that donated

[1:11:51] Voice 5: of that property donated to be used as parking across the street so the question is to clarify

[1:12:03] Voice 5: i'm just going to go back and say now it's being amalgamated with across the road across the road

[1:12:11] Voice 5: is zoned for townhouses and a pub and all this other stuff so if that zoning use then applies

[1:12:19] Voice 5: to that piece so it's to clarify if it's if that covenant is removed what uses may be made of that

[1:12:33] Voice 5: piece of land across the road i think it's pretty simple that's the question we want to put to the

[1:12:37] Voice 5: lawyer that's the honor yeah i

[1:12:41] Voice 4: really just got and i also have concerns with

[1:12:45] Voice 4: there's been much discussion with the pc theories about expanding that whole area for more lineups

[1:12:52] Voice 4: and that's could be that right or that upper level parkings we don't know it could be various things

[1:12:58] Voice 4: and so there's a lot of unknowns and i'm coming from the precautionary principle and i don't

[1:13:02] Voice 4: feel comfortable with

[1:13:13] Voice 5: okay

[1:13:13] Voice 8: do we have a do we have a start of a motion there

[1:13:16] Voice 5: that the horny island local trust committee requests staff seek legal counsel regarding

[1:13:23] Voice 5: covenant eg107386 and what what

[1:13:29] Voice 5: uses and

[1:13:31] Voice 8: implications of its removal

[1:13:36] Voice 8: or release i should

[1:13:37] Voice 5: say if you understand what we're getting

[1:13:42] Voice 5: yeah

[1:13:44] Voice 3: i understand what the ltc's question is like i say staff doesn't understand that

[1:13:50] the substance of this covenant but again we're not the legal professional so the

[1:13:56] option is to ask the lawyer to get legal legal

[1:14:01] Voice 3: this has to do squarely with the lease

[1:14:03] Voice 3: as far as

[1:14:05] Voice 8: we understand and that but anyway so so yeah i just and again not also being any kind

[1:14:13] Voice 8: of legal scholar um it appears that the owner's legal counsel has identified that um it would be

[1:14:25] Voice 8: in breach of their obligations uh for the pub including a dining facility being in operation

[1:14:35] Voice 8: So that's their rationale, I suppose, but I do agree.

[1:14:41] Voice 8: It's

[1:14:41] Voice 3: technically, except that the lease

[1:14:43] Voice 3: doesn't exist anymore.

[1:14:44] Voice 3: Right.

[1:14:44] Voice 3: But yeah, it's okay.

[1:14:48] Voice 3: So, thank you

[1:14:51] Voice 8: very much for your time.

[1:14:52] Voice 8: I don't want to take the chair's job.

[1:14:54] Voice 8: Yeah, but yeah, thank you because I don't have the Zoom up.

[1:14:58] Voice 8: You don't have the Zoom up, yeah.

[1:14:59] Voice 8: So we

[1:15:00] Voice 3: just want to get in on the decision

[1:15:02] Voice 3: to see what the request would build.

[1:15:24] Voice 17: definitely yes pardon

[1:15:29] Voice 2: me chair are you uh renee uh planning manager john right here are you waiting

[1:15:34] Voice 2: for me to speak i wasn't sure if i was um oh yeah please go ahead permission thank you i don't want

[1:15:38] Voice 2: to speak out of turn um so um just to understand where the ltc's motion is for the question you'd

[1:15:46] Voice 2: like to understand um and get some legal advice to understand the what happens with the nature

[1:15:53] Voice 2: of this covenant and the parking requirements the parking requirements in relation to

[1:15:58] Voice 2: this property i

[1:16:02] Voice 8: think that's part of it but i think also the trustees want to understand

[1:16:06] Voice 8: if the covenant is released can the area that's subject to the covenant uh what uses can be

[1:16:14] Voice 8: legally made of that area and that's right i know that we might be getting into slightly more

[1:16:22] Voice 8: more complicated or possibly more expensive

[1:16:27] Voice 8: in terms of the legal advice,

[1:16:28] Voice 8: but it actually kind of occurs to me

[1:16:30] Voice 8: that it might be useful for the LTC

[1:16:33] Voice 8: to be able to

[1:16:34] Voice 6: meet and have questions,

[1:16:40] Voice 6: like a little bit of a short Q&A

[1:16:41] Voice 6: with our legal counsel on this,

[1:16:44] Voice 6: rather than maybe just a written advice.

[1:16:48] Voice 2: Yep, through the chair. What I'm, what I'm looking to understand from the discussion is what information for legal advice to seek for clarity, and there are, there are zoning regulation information that we can share with the, with the LTC as well to answer questions about if the, if the, what does the zoning requirements allow.

[1:17:18] Voice 2: allow or require for parking versus if the covenant wasn't in place and what does the

[1:17:25] Voice 2: covenant require so that's what i'm i'm looking to understand yeah

[1:17:30] Voice 16: trustee allen yeah director

[1:17:33] Voice 4: ready um yeah that's my concern too because if you remember the uh ford cove restaurant and how

[1:17:39] Voice 4: what they went through in terms of how much parking they had to have available for the

[1:17:44] Voice 4: restaurant i don't think it's quite i don't feel comfortable just being quite addressed right now

[1:17:47] Voice 4: with that in terms of covenant so yes okay

[1:17:52] Voice 2: through the chair so i understand that um what the

[1:17:55] Voice 2: discussion is is if the covenant no longer exists will the parking on that site be a problem so

[1:18:02] Voice 2: understanding what the zoning requirements would allow if the covenant didn't exist

[1:18:08] Voice 2: so the ldc has that understanding before they would discharge the covenant as

[1:18:14] Voice 4: well as what

[1:18:15] Voice 4: what will happen with that spot that's going to be listed.

[1:18:19] Voice 4: The old parking spot.

[1:18:21] Voice 8: In other words, when the covenant's gone,

[1:18:23] Voice 8: what forms of development could take place

[1:18:26] Voice 8: on the area that's covenanted?

[1:18:29] Voice 2: Exactly.

[1:18:29] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:18:30] Voice 2: For use in parking requirements.

[1:18:32] Voice 2: Thank you, thank you, Chair.

[1:18:34] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:18:37] Voice 8: All right, so did we actually get a motion?

[1:18:42] Voice 5: Yes, that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[1:18:44] Voice 5: request staff seek legal counsel regarding the covenant

[1:18:47] Voice 5: and implications of its release okay

[1:18:53] Voice 8: and uh did one of us move that i didn't know

[1:18:56] Voice 8: what what is what's missing i

[1:19:01] Voice 5: wanted to specifically say

[1:19:06] Voice 5: property

[1:19:10] Voice 5: well that's

[1:19:12] Voice 3: isn't that you know

[1:19:13] Voice 5: uh

[1:19:15] Voice 3: planner cops sorry i'm just going to interject with the

[1:19:19] Voice 3: current zoning regulations so that property is zoned c3a on the large side where the pub was

[1:19:25] used to be on the other side is c3a sorry i said c3 on the big portion c3a on the parking portion

[1:19:34] and the site-specific zoning regulations only allow parking on

[1:19:37] Voice 3: that that one portion

[1:19:40] Voice 3: this is the horny land use bylaw for the c3 zone a is a site-specific regulation

[1:19:49] which means that despite all the other uses listed for C3,

[1:19:53] which is the hub property

[1:19:55] Voice 3: on spit,

[1:19:56] Voice 3: the portion across the road as a site-specific zone

[1:20:02] Voice 3: in your zoning map, okay?

[1:20:05] Voice 3: Despite XXX, the only permitted use is parking.

[1:20:09] Voice 3: No building or structure are permitted.

[1:20:13] Voice 3: So the removal of the covenant

[1:20:15] Voice 3: doesn't actually alter the uses.

[1:20:18] Voice 3: It can still only be used for parking.

[1:20:22] Voice 5: Go ahead.

[1:20:24] Voice 5: What I don't understand is the two pieces used to be separate.

[1:20:30] Voice 5: Now they're one.

[1:20:31] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:20:31] Voice 3: they were consolidated.

[1:20:32] Voice 5: So how can you have one property with two ziplines zoning?

[1:20:37] Voice 5: Because I don't have

[1:20:37] Voice 3: a split zone.

[1:20:38] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:20:39] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:20:40] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:20:40] Voice 5: Well, then I think our whole question here is irrelevant.

[1:20:43] Voice 5: relevant if that's found then it's for parking only and what are we worried about

[1:20:50] Voice 8: trustee

[1:20:52] Voice 16: i'm

[1:20:53] Voice 4: really confused good point i wish i heard this earlier um no

[1:21:04] Voice 7: so it sounds like our staff

[1:21:06] Voice 8: our staff advice is that if we remove remove the cover covenant that spot where it is covenanted

[1:21:16] Voice 8: for parking is only zoned for parking it's not zoned for other construction other buildings

[1:21:20] Voice 8: townhouses etc right so it's good that's what we're we're hearing so

[1:21:25] Voice 4: yeah so basically they're

[1:21:26] Voice 4: just really because it's now one property not two so that's what's going on with this

[1:21:31] Voice 4: the correct quick version close notes on this through the church and

[1:21:36] Voice 3: the lease no longer exists

[1:21:38] between those two properties

[1:21:40] Voice 3: what's supposed to owners it's just one owner but you're zoning

[1:21:48] Voice 3: So we're moving that covenant doesn't change your permitted uses in the land use bylaw

[1:21:54] Voice 3: on the small portion.

[1:21:57] Voice 3: Okay, so that addresses my concern of parking, addresses your

[1:22:01] Voice 5: concern, but I think what we

[1:22:04] Voice 5: right back to the original motion of removing the cover story, we don't need the legal review.

[1:22:11] Voice 5: you as he pointed out there are two although they've been amalgamated they even have split

[1:22:19] Voice 5: zoning as you put it so that zoning it's only parking allowed on the east eastern part of that

[1:22:25] Voice 5: side of the road that's what we want we might parking is what it's always intended for i think

[1:22:32] Voice 5: people would donate or i would remember that from back so i think we're good so let's just go back

[1:22:40] Voice 5: i'm going to go back and move emotionally but

[1:22:43] Voice 4: that's not to stop the point to apply for

[1:22:49] Voice 4: rezoning on that section for building something exactly

[1:22:53] Voice 5: well they can do that

[1:22:54] Voice 5: all right let's just do it okay so

[1:23:04] Voice 8: then other motions never got moved

[1:23:06] Voice 7: exactly until we can

[1:23:07] Voice 7: just let it die trustee

[1:23:10] Voice 5: scott i'm going to make a motion that the one we always trust

[1:23:14] Voice 5: to be discharged restricted covenant eg107386 registered to the property title of the office

[1:23:23] Voice 5: authorizing the chair for the harmony of open trust to be a signatory to land titles form c

[1:23:31] Voice 5: release.

[1:23:33] Voice 5: Do

[1:23:33] Voice 7: I have a seconder?

[1:23:36] Voice 7: And discussion.

[1:23:40] Voice 7: Trustee Scott? No, sorry.

[1:23:43] Voice 7: Anything from you, Trustee Allen?

[1:23:47] Voice 4: I still find it confusing

[1:23:48] Voice 4: that before I do the

[1:23:50] Voice 4: final vote, I mean, if you look at the first

[1:23:51] Voice 4: paragraph of the purpose,

[1:23:55] Voice 4: the request that requires parking

[1:23:57] Voice 4: be processed out,

[1:24:00] Voice 4: then it's still, so

[1:24:01] Voice 4: they want us to

[1:24:03] Voice 4: get rid of a covenant for parking,

[1:24:05] Voice 4: but yet it's still in for parking over.

[1:24:08] Voice 4: So maybe they're not sure either.

[1:24:11] Voice 8: Well, and then in the analysis consideration on page 27,

[1:24:15] Voice 8: the first paragraph says,

[1:24:16] Voice 8: "'According to the owner's legal accounts,

[1:24:18] Voice 8: "'the main issue with the covenant remaining in the title

[1:24:20] Voice 8: "'is that the owner will be in strict breach

[1:24:21] Voice 8: "'of their obligations under the covenant

[1:24:23] Voice 8: "'once the pub, including a dining facility,

[1:24:27] Voice 8: "'begins operation.'

[1:24:28] Voice 8: "'The covenant language used is the owner covenants

[1:24:31] Voice 8: "'and agrees that neither the lounge nor the resort

[1:24:33] Voice 8: or any building on the land shall be used as a dining facility for guests of the resort

[1:24:38] Voice 8: or for the public generally if the lease should expire be terminated or modified in any way

[1:24:45] Voice 8: so the lease no longer exists because

[1:24:48] Voice 7: it's been amalgamated right that's that's the issue from

[1:24:51] Voice 7: the owner's side and so the covenant because the lease doesn't

[1:24:58] Voice 8: exist they'd be in contravention

[1:25:01] Voice 8: of the covenant for having a dining facility because the lease no longer exists so that i

[1:25:08] Voice 8: mean from the owner's consideration that's the point of them wanting to get removed

[1:25:13] Voice 8: and i think we've heard from planning staff that the zoning is not going to automatically

[1:25:18] Voice 8: give them an opportunity

[1:25:20] Voice 3: to do anything crazy across the street there okay

[1:25:23] Voice 17: that's

[1:25:25] Voice 3: i think

[1:25:26] Voice 3: that's the understanding we

[1:25:26] Voice 8: have here yeah

[1:25:27] Voice 3: so

[1:25:29] Voice 8: not without rupees only a

[1:25:32] Voice 14: second okay

[1:25:32] Voice 8: i'll call

[1:25:34] Voice 8: the question all those in favor the motion carries yeah well it's good to understand

[1:25:43] Voice 8: those are all good questions there's nothing wrong with finding out that information

[1:25:47] Voice 8: thanks

[1:25:48] Voice 4: for that plan

[1:25:52] Voice 8: of course okay

[1:25:59] Voice 8: let's lunch break uh we can take a break whenever you'd like but um we have a couple we have a fair

[1:26:06] Voice 8: bit of business left to do i think the only thing that i'm concerned about time wise is we have

[1:26:14] Voice 8: uh the comox first nations presentation we have that uh scheduled for two o'clock so i'd like us

[1:26:21] Voice 8: to keep the two o'clock for that but other than that i'm flexible i'm almost certain not to make

[1:26:28] Voice 8: home tonight anyway so i'm not in a panic

[1:26:29] Voice 5: um we

[1:26:31] Voice 5: want

[1:26:33] Voice 8: a 10-minute break now and then

[1:26:35] Voice 8: come back to business i'm okay with that let's take a 10-minute recess we'll come back at 1 10.

[1:39:21] Voice 5: okay

[1:39:21] Voice 8: so we're at eight section eight point three three starting on page 38 rogers communications

[1:39:27] Voice 8: response to local trust can be referral comments memorandum and proponent letter and consultation

[1:39:33] Voice 8: package and i'll turn it over to staff to get us started is that you plan or

[1:39:46] Voice 17: cops yeah okay um

[1:40:07] Voice 3: This is a request from the opponent Rogers. The consultant for Rogers is to speak to this item.

[1:40:22] Voice 3: This is regarding your provincial referral response letter and the opponent wanted to come back and just discuss that response.

[1:40:35] was the resolution of non-occurrence and is provided as

[1:40:41] Voice 3: you can see and I know one of the

[1:40:42] Voice 3: trustees was concerned apologies for the length of this package but it is a compiled copy of all

[1:40:49] the public correspondence that was in relation to the first notice that was

[1:40:55] Voice 3: sent out and then

[1:40:56] Voice 3: the second round notice as well so there is some duplication where emails are threads that are

[1:41:01] Voice 3: would apply to and so forth but um it wasn't to be annoying although it is a lot of material so

[1:41:07] but the applicant provided pardon me it's also provided that um uh compiled copy

[1:41:13] Voice 3: and i think

[1:41:14] Voice 3: it's quite useful to to look over so i won't say too much more than to just say that uh mr greg is

[1:41:19] Voice 3: here available online to speak to this item

[1:41:23] Voice 8: okay uh trustees any questions to discern it

[1:41:28] Voice 8: But

[1:41:30] Voice 4: just to be clear, that at this time, Rogers is elected to only comment.

[1:41:39] Voice 4: And I didn't understand, I always trust desire Rogers' position of comments.

[1:41:45] Voice 4: I don't know what that meant, desire what.

[1:41:49] Voice 4: So basically, from what I'm getting is that they are asking for further dialogue on this proposal.

[1:41:56] Voice 4: And is this where we're doing it here, or is it going to be, because I've got a lot to say.

[1:42:00] Voice 4: and I will say that it was the package was confusing because there's repetition

[1:42:07] Voice 4: doubled things in there and not necessarily any logical order so I spent a lot of time

[1:42:15] Voice 4: I could spend another week on this but I've got a lot of stuff to unpack here so I'm not sure

[1:42:22] Voice 4: what our process what's going on how is it how are we supposed to play it out okay

[1:42:27] Voice 3: yeah I could

[1:42:27] Voice 3: speak to that through the jury so that as the memo is they have the islands trust attached

[1:42:34] Voice 3: covering memo says basically what our understanding is again i can let we can let

[1:42:39] Voice 3: mr greg speak to this

[1:42:41] Voice 17: but

[1:42:42] Voice 3: rogers wants to extend um we should

[1:42:45] Voice 3: have more dialogue about the specific

[1:42:50] Voice 3: issues that the ltc addressed in their referral response and the possibility to to be able to

[1:42:56] Voice 3: to perhaps address those concerns for, you know,

[1:43:01] Voice 3: for the benefit of all, my brain's a bit foggy,

[1:43:07] Voice 3: so I don't like this word stakeholders,

[1:43:08] Voice 3: but it's the only one that comes to mind right now.

[1:43:10] Voice 3: So anyway, community members, stakeholders,

[1:43:12] Voice 3: right, who have interest in this land

[1:43:14] that need to address those concerns

[1:43:17] and their proposal to provide a certain service.

[1:43:22] So I won't go too much more,

[1:43:23] because again, Mr. Gregg's here to speak to that.

[1:43:26] but the idea for this was that the LTC be presented with the opportunity from the

[1:43:34] Voice 3: proponent to come back and say like hey can we have a discussion around your concerns

[1:43:40] Voice 3: about this and have the attached package in the letter from the that the consultant prepared there

[1:43:46] Voice 3: so I think on the stress staff was there with that and leave it up to the LTC and the

[1:44:00] Voice 8: Okay. Thank you, trustees.

[1:44:04] Voice 8: Do we hear if Mr. Gregg has any opening remarks?

[1:44:10] Voice 12: Thank you, Chair Peterson and trustees. Can you hear me okay?

[1:44:14] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:44:15] Voice 12: Okay, great. Well, thanks for having me today.

[1:44:19] Voice 12: And first and foremost, the main thing I want to underscore is that Rogers does want to work amicably

[1:44:26] Voice 12: and constructively with Islands Trust to try to find a solution

[1:44:30] Voice 12: to service the local area jointly with TELUS.

[1:44:34] Voice 12: So that is, I guess, the spirit of this.

[1:44:38] Voice 12: And when we received or got a copy of the referral response,

[1:44:46] Voice 12: as you can imagine, and when we saw it wasn't favorable,

[1:44:51] Voice 12: we looked at it in great detail.

[1:44:53] Voice 12: and so we took it upon ourselves to respond in in a lot of detail in writing initially so that's

[1:45:01] Voice 12: of course what you have in your package and and the reason for that was because from our perspective

[1:45:07] Voice 12: a lot of the points raised in the resolutions that were passed

[1:45:15] Voice 12: didn't really align with the processes we were required to follow the results of the consultation

[1:45:22] Voice 12: consultation, the Hornby Island land use bylaw, and the regulatory framework that applies to this

[1:45:30] Voice 12: type of an application. So, you know, I would be more than happy to go through each and every point

[1:45:36] Voice 12: line by line if you wanted, you know, and again, in a very amicable way, I'm not trying to,

[1:45:42] Voice 12: in any way, have a heated debate, but be more than happy to elaborate and add some color

[1:45:48] Voice 12: to to our letter there if that would be helpful but for now perhaps I'll leave it at that

[1:45:54] Voice 12: because indeed everything is contained in that letter okay thank you

[1:46:07] Voice 8: look to trustees if you have any questions I have a question for our staff here

[1:46:16] Voice 8: in in part two uh let's see starting on page 47 uh there's a section that talks about

[1:46:31] Voice 8: development permit area two and um it says the owner of property within the development

[1:46:43] Voice 8: permit area is required to apply for development permit unless the development is exempt as follows

[1:46:50] Voice 8: and lists the exemptions so um my question for staff is does that mean um would that be then

[1:47:01] Voice 8: that the province would be the owner of the property in terms of a the development permit

[1:47:08] Voice 8: permit area?

[1:47:12] That's a good question.

[1:47:15] That is a good question.

[1:47:16] Yeah, typically permits

[1:47:18] Voice 3: are applied

[1:47:19] Voice 3: for by the property owner.

[1:47:20] Voice 3: So

[1:47:20] Voice 17: if

[1:47:24] Voice 3: it doesn't meet those exemptions

[1:47:29] Voice 3: and the property owner would be required to apply.

[1:47:33] Voice 3: Now how that exactly works,

[1:47:35] Voice 3: you know, we haven't done that myself.

[1:47:38] Voice 3: Myself, I haven't done a lot of this type of thing

[1:47:40] Voice 3: where the property is being asked to apply,

[1:47:42] Voice 3: typically in the case, for example,

[1:47:44] Voice 3: with maybe Mr. Greg knows a bit more about this than I do, but for example with the Tremaine Bay

[1:47:52] Voice 3: Park, you know, part of that is ALR land. I'm not sure, I can't say whether, you know,

[1:47:57] Voice 3: the government is required to get ALC approval or not. When it's another provincial agency,

[1:48:01] Voice 3: I don't exactly know about that. But typically, you know, typically that would be required,

[1:48:11] Voice 3: and in this case um it's it's a little unclear as to what would be required for

[1:48:18] Voice 3: for a tower like this and who would apply so to get that info but yeah

[1:48:22] Voice 8: that was great would you

[1:48:24] Voice 8: like a resolution to get that info or can you just dig that that could just go on on your fuil

[1:48:29] Voice 8: okay great because i think that'd be useful information for us to understand clearly

[1:48:36] Voice 8: trustee allen yeah

[1:48:37] Voice 4: we might as well stay we're going to talk about let's talk about location

[1:48:41] Voice 4: in the crown land um so i have here the strategic policy crown land allocation principles in my hand

[1:48:51] Voice 4: and principles the first one crown land values are managed for the benefit of the public

[1:49:03] Voice 4: 3.1 crown land values are managed with benefits public government goals provide guidance and

[1:49:07] Voice 4: determining public benefit that crown land allocations to support healthy communities

[1:49:19] Voice 4: after identifying and considering community values and interests and yes there's no record of an

[1:49:27] Voice 4: application for the housing spot there because it's been a long process and the individual that's

[1:49:33] Voice 4: been doing it has been slowed down with other issues but it's not to say that's not happening

[1:49:39] Voice 4: that land is also looked at by the cemetery so it's a community um it's a community that a tower

[1:49:50] Voice 4: is not a benefit i'm sorry the tower you go on about safety and eighty percent of the phone calls

[1:49:58] Voice 4: are made on 9 11 phone calls 911 calls are made on cell phones well that's an old statistic that's

[1:50:05] Voice 4: urban not rural it's american if you're going to go on further about statistics approximately 25

[1:50:10] Voice 4: 25% of 911 calls are accidental mis-styles.

[1:50:12] Voice 4: Over 70% of 911 calls do not require an emergency response.

[1:50:17] Voice 4: 50% are made from residential business landlines.

[1:50:20] Voice 4: And in the PowerPoint, there was footnotes,

[1:50:27] Voice 4: there was two stats, but not for that 80% one.

[1:50:30] Voice 4: That was basically like a mantra repeated

[1:50:32] Voice 4: with throat responses to emails of concern.

[1:50:38] Voice 4: We have so much here.

[1:50:39] Voice 4: And then in terms of the round one,

[1:50:44] Voice 4: 121 round-run public consultation, 121 responses, 35 supported, 28.9%.

[1:50:52] Voice 4: 40 were undecided or wanted more info, and 46 concerns in opposition.

[1:50:59] Voice 4: But yet you added these, you added the undecided, more info to the supported, which became 61.9% support.

[1:51:07] Voice 4: Round two online, 31 people attended, neither Grant nor I could attend.

[1:51:11] Voice 4: So many people could not attend because somebody should be getting invited or something.

[1:51:17] Voice 4: 19 people, so you said 62% support, that's only 19 people.

[1:51:23] Voice 4: 30% of concerns in opposition, 11 people.

[1:51:28] Voice 4: We're an island of 1,300 people.

[1:51:30] Voice 4: If you're going to have a 62% approval, that would be 806 people.

[1:51:34] Voice 4: We had 300 signatures.

[1:51:36] Voice 4: Those 300 signatures are being, you've accused us of cherry picking the petition, the letter

[1:51:46] Voice 4: in certain steps of public input, which is just because, yes, certainly they have to

[1:51:50] Voice 4: care of the concerns of Safety 6, and I get it, that ISED does not care about Safety 6

[1:51:56] Voice 4: or any health issues at all.

[1:52:00] Voice 4: But that's not the only thing.

[1:52:02] Voice 4: It's to do with my job as an island trustee is to preserve and protect this island.

[1:52:09] Voice 4: and that's the rural character this tower is going to be an eyesore this tower is it's not

[1:52:16] Voice 4: even going to supply any the full island connection and you know you say tourists well

[1:52:22] Voice 4: helly well in mount jeffrey are not even going to be covered and uh and then then we get threatened

[1:52:29] Voice 4: that you could add more uh what do you call co-sells or on telephone poles to add more

[1:52:36] Voice 4: but the deal is this if we if this is put somewhere else or another location and we vote

[1:52:42] Voice 4: concurrence on it what happens in terms of technology it's changing so much and in actual

[1:52:51] Voice 4: fact we don't need we could have that tower up and then two years later we don't need that tower

[1:52:56] Voice 4: we've got you are actually already working rogers is working with the rural communities elsewhere

[1:53:03] Voice 4: that cannot have it that have issues with the tower locations and you're working with satellites

[1:53:08] Voice 4: i could go on that you don't even need to have a tower on horny all these people could get something

[1:53:16] Voice 4: through satellites through rogers apparently and tell us is working on that as well i could go on

[1:53:21] Voice 4: and on and then even on our model tower tower strategy discourage locations stipulates that

[1:53:27] Voice 4: cell tower sites which adversely impact view corridors or affect the scenic qualities of a

[1:53:32] Voice 4: corridor are forbidden that's in our model self strategy i mean i've got pages and pages going

[1:53:41] Voice 4: here um so what else in the public use zone i don't think we want and we don't we've never

[1:53:51] Voice 4: wanted a transmission tower just because the radio has one in the fire hall that's nothing to

[1:53:57] Voice 4: do with your rogers tower this is a for-profit all those other uses are community uses

[1:54:05] Voice 4: not for profit there's a 9 11 tower on top of the mount jeffrey already and the technology says out

[1:54:12] Voice 4: there that people we don't need a tower so that's just my first part thank

[1:54:17] Voice 8: you thank you trustee um

[1:54:21] Voice 8: um one of the points that you brought up that stuck out to me is in the um the response table

[1:54:28] Voice 8: table here under Section C. It says Rogers received input from a total of 121 community

[1:54:37] Voice 8: members. 62% indicated either support or were merely seeking information but did not take

[1:54:43] Voice 8: a position. 38% indicated

[1:54:45] Voice 14: concerns or not support. So to your point, I'm not seeing

[1:54:56] Voice 8: rogers making a clear case on what percentage was in support in in this uh in this response and

[1:55:04] Voice 8: that's um i'm not gonna ascribe any motive but it it leaves uh it leaves the information that's

[1:55:13] Voice 8: being presented to us a little bit uh unclear and again also in light of the fact that yes we

[1:55:22] Voice 8: understand that the 300 odd signature position was received past the um past the uh date uh of

[1:55:32] Voice 8: the consultation process um however as local decision makers that's it's kind of irrelevant

[1:55:41] Voice 8: in in the sense that those are the community members expressing concerns and whether or not

[1:55:48] Voice 8: it's um it fits within the rogers consultation process or not neatly it still is something that

[1:55:56] Voice 8: that we as local decision makers have to take into account um and and so based on those numbers it's

[1:56:04] Voice 8: just i i don't think number wise you're not making a a convincing argument the way it's presented at

[1:56:11] Voice 8: at this point.

[1:56:17] Voice 8: Trustee Allen, you had something else?

[1:56:18] Voice 4: You may as well just do my note.

[1:56:23] Voice 4: This is not about safety, this is about money.

[1:56:26] Voice 4: Rogers is beholden to its shareholders, that's it.

[1:56:28] Voice 4: They're not worried about someone falling off a bike

[1:56:30] Voice 4: in Mount Jeffrey or another falling off a cliff

[1:56:31] Voice 4: at Halliball Park.

[1:56:32] Voice 4: It is profit driven.

[1:56:34] Voice 4: I'm not gonna prove a tower that Rogers can make taller

[1:56:36] Voice 4: than the current 63 meters without our permission.

[1:56:39] Voice 4: Once taller, it will indeed have navigation lights

[1:56:42] Voice 4: flickering incessantly that will interfere with migratory

[1:56:43] Voice 4: bird roots, bats, owls that reside in the forest and beyond.

[1:56:48] Voice 4: I'm not going to prove a tower that can rent out the space

[1:56:51] Voice 4: to other providers like Telus, Kudu, Public Mobile,

[1:56:54] Voice 4: Bell, Virgin Malva, as long as Phi don't chatter

[1:56:56] Voice 4: without our permission.

[1:56:58] Voice 4: We are talking about unknowns here,

[1:57:00] Voice 4: as trustees who are held to the precautionary principle,

[1:57:03] Voice 4: especially when it comes to our mandate,

[1:57:04] Voice 4: preserving and protecting the rural character,

[1:57:07] Voice 4: our unique amenities.

[1:57:08] Voice 4: It's nothing to do with Island's cell phone coverage

[1:57:11] Voice 4: and uncertain towers.

[1:57:15] Voice 4: The location is at the edge of all the hiking trails at Mount Jeffery, Provincial and Regional

[1:57:19] Voice 4: Parks and Crownlands.

[1:57:20] Voice 4: These forests enjoy nature.

[1:57:23] Voice 4: And one of your comments earlier on was, I think a government official, talked about

[1:57:29] Voice 4: oh there's a pathway there that could be an issue.

[1:57:32] Voice 4: Well there's pathways all around this tower.

[1:57:40] Voice 5: Is that up for you

[1:57:41] Voice 8: for the moment?

[1:57:41] Voice 10: Absolutely.

[1:57:42] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:57:46] Voice 8: Yeah, okay, so there was the Crownland allocation link, you brought that up, a couple other

[1:57:54] Voice 8: pieces here as we look at yeah just uh i'm just noticing in this uh letter email of june uh

[1:58:13] Voice 8: 2022 from mr craig to mr marler uh stating uh hoping to be thoughtful inviting a community

[1:58:21] Voice 8: supported location for a tower so that service can be delivered to the area in an acceptable manner

[1:58:26] Voice 8: and that's that's a good hope and I my impression at this time is that that

[1:58:35] Voice 8: that hasn't been achieved given what this committee has heard from members of

[1:58:43] Voice 8: the public in terms of the location further the email with the the province

[1:59:00] Voice 8: once Jesse Pops mentioning that,

[1:59:07] Voice 8: which is about the fire hall use.

[1:59:09] Voice 8: And if the fire hall was to erect a tower

[1:59:11] Voice 8: for the sole purpose of their needs,

[1:59:13] Voice 8: that would be most likely perceived as a fire hall use.

[1:59:17] Voice 8: Again, it's a little bit different

[1:59:20] Voice 8: than what's being proposed here.

[1:59:25] Voice 8: And again, email from Mr. Greg on page one,

[1:59:33] Voice 8: page 228 of the agenda.

[1:59:41] Voice 8: We're simply looking for the most sound land use rationale

[1:59:44] Voice 8: to deliver the proposed infrastructure on Hornby Island.

[1:59:47] Voice 8: We're looking for a community appropriate proposal.

[1:59:51] Voice 8: This is in relation to earlier discussions

[1:59:53] Voice 8: where the proponents were considering

[1:59:57] Voice 8: some kind of co-location of the fire hall.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: But again, so these words are important.

[2:00:04] Voice 8: They're community-supported, community-appropriate.

[2:00:09] Voice 8: These are the concerns that the local trust committee has been hearing

[2:00:15] Voice 8: and is quite concerned about with the proposed location at this time.

[2:00:22] Voice 8: And thus, I mean, this is what's informed everything in our referral response

[2:00:29] Voice 8: response from my point of view. Trustee Scott?

[2:00:34] Voice 5: Yeah, go ahead. So on this whole issue, I've

[2:00:40] Voice 5: talked to a lot of people on the island, it's been sort of quiet for a while, but what I

[2:00:47] Voice 5: heard is most people support the idea of these things. Everybody's got them, right? And most

[2:00:57] Voice 5: people support the idea of that cell tower but here's the big but the people living close to it

[2:01:05] Voice 5: don't want it the people that work at the depot and have to look at it don't want it but a lot of

[2:01:11] Voice 5: the infrastructure and the communities that are around there want it fireball people the medical

[2:01:21] Voice 5: people want it so what i took out of that that discussion there's some adamant people opposed to

[2:01:30] Voice 5: it you know it's a little squeaky wheel right so what i took out of all of that is this is what i

[2:01:36] Voice 5: felt all along is push it back somewhere away from that spot that's the wrong place but to say

[2:01:45] Voice 5: no cell tower or army i didn't hear that from the silent majority there's some people who don't

[2:01:52] Voice 5: on it at all because it's gonna wipe things out and a lot of what the response from rogers was

[2:02:00] Voice 5: was was disputing that right the fire and the tower on fire and the impact on wildlife so

[2:02:11] Voice 5: that's just what i heard and that's what people so i don't know what effect we're going to have on

[2:02:17] Voice 5: on getting any more response to the province because it's ultimately the province that

[2:02:22] Voice 5: that deals with this referral, if I'm right, Mr. Gregg,

[2:02:27] Voice 5: that the province is who sends the final word

[2:02:31] Voice 5: into the federal government agency

[2:02:36] Voice 5: that actually authorizes these things, is that right?

[2:02:42] Voice 12: Yeah, through the chair to Trustee Scott.

[2:02:45] Voice 12: So in this case, we wanted to establish,

[2:02:51] Voice 12: actually right from the outset,

[2:02:52] Voice 12: set but we didn't get clarity until I'd say roughly a year ago we tried to establish with

[2:03:00] Voice 12: ISED who the land use authority would be at the end of all of this consultation and they made a

[2:03:05] Voice 12: determination through their team out in Ottawa that Rogers would have to get a land use concurrence

[2:03:12] Voice 12: decision from the province in this case so that was you know what we were trying to get at in

[2:03:20] Voice 12: in the second part of your resolution where the Islands Trust in July issued a motion

[2:03:27] Voice 12: of non-concurrence. Well, it's supposed to be the province in this case that's making

[2:03:34] Voice 12: that decision and the Islands Trust was asked to provide a referral response. So you're

[2:03:41] Voice 12: correct.

[2:03:44] Voice 16: Trustee Allen?

[2:03:45] Voice 4: and to respond to grant trustee scott's well i've talked to other people and and they have

[2:03:52] Voice 4: different opinions um the coverage map you know you include the coverage map but yet

[2:04:00] Voice 4: say rogers doesn't generally include coverage maps publicly before a tower is built because

[2:04:07] Voice 4: the margin of error um there's this talking about issues with trees you don't even know

[2:04:15] Voice 4: how much coverage they do on that island. In the meanwhile, we have technology saying

[2:04:22] Voice 4: that if there's lack of coverage in rural Canada, Rogers partnership with SpaceX will change the

[2:04:28] Voice 4: equation. You can get connected to existing 4G and 5G enabled smartphones using lower orbit

[2:04:37] Voice 4: satellite Rogers says these features will also eventually allow Canadians to dial 911.

[2:04:43] Voice 4: The benefits of satellite connectivity are clear, you get consistent coverage regardless of the

[2:04:48] Voice 4: terrain and it acts as a safety net for users that find themselves traveling through less populated

[2:04:52] Voice 4: areas so i just don't get it we already have this other solution so why do we need a tower

[2:05:02] Voice 4: if rogers is already providing opportunity to connect to their satellites versus having a

[2:05:09] Voice 4: tower in their communities why do we need a tower

[2:05:12] Voice 12: it's a great great question so through the chair

[2:05:16] Voice 12: to trust the island so essentially there are some speed constraints and connectivity constraints

[2:05:24] Voice 12: over the satellite system it's in its early days as you're as you're probably aware so it's not

[2:05:31] Voice 12: the same level of uh i guess speeds and bandwidth and reliability that that people have come to

[2:05:37] Voice 12: expect when they're a customer of a company like rogers and so as you can see throughout canada

[2:05:43] Voice 12: Rogers and the other wireless carriers have still a need for their tower infrastructure so the intent

[2:05:49] Voice 12: with the satellite option I guess you could say is just to fill in those gaps typically in very

[2:05:56] Voice 12: remote or rural areas where there's no service so it won't be the same level of of connectivity

[2:06:01] Voice 12: that you could get from being within the coverage area of a land-based tower system so to the best

[2:06:08] Voice 12: to my knowledge we foresee still a need for this infrastructure you know but to your point

[2:06:14] Voice 12: technology changes and it can change rapidly nobody can predict what the future will look like

[2:06:19] Voice 12: you know in in the unlikely event i suppose i would say that tower infrastructure somehow

[2:06:23] Voice 12: becomes redundant or commercially impractical then at that point in time it wouldn't make

[2:06:29] Voice 12: sense to have infrastructure at this point in time it's still something that makes sense

[2:06:40] Voice 4: Can I ask, what this conversation, where are we going to go after this conversation?

[2:06:47] Voice 4: How are we, how is this supposed to play out? Are you going to come back to us

[2:06:51] Voice 4: with another proposal? I don't know where we're going with this one. We're discussing it,

[2:06:56] Voice 4: but then you have my feelings, you've got Grant's feelings, so what happens next?

[2:07:04] Voice 12: Great, great question. So through the chair, so what I was trying to get at the beginning

[2:07:09] Voice 12: ending of my comment was that I think there's and this is why I didn't delve into each point

[2:07:15] Voice 12: you know we I think we could have a I think a very good discussion or maybe in some cases a

[2:07:21] Voice 12: bit of a debate on on the finer points of of the application and each point in the resolution and

[2:07:26] Voice 12: you know clearly you don't agree with everything or many of the things I've said in my letter and

[2:07:31] Voice 12: and vice versa I take a different different view but rather than go down that path since it's all

[2:07:37] Voice 12: in writing and that you already know our position. I'm hoping that we can work towards some kind of a

[2:07:45] Voice 12: solution so that we can deliver service. So trustee Scott pointed out as an example,

[2:07:54] Voice 12: and I don't know what this would look like, is there a way to, although we don't

[2:07:59] Voice 12: prefer to do so, but to incrementally amend the application so that somehow it's more acceptable

[2:08:07] Voice 12: to the island's trust generally in the community.

[2:08:12] Voice 12: I did look into that in earnest.

[2:08:15] Voice 12: Going up the slope, as I had discussed briefly with your staff,

[2:08:21] Voice 12: as well as Director Scott, there's a water course up there.

[2:08:26] Voice 12: So if we go further up the slope, there's other environmental issues

[2:08:31] Voice 12: that become more meaningful, and I'm not clear that it's a net win

[2:08:35] Voice 12: win as as one example um we're also already i think 120 meters plus or minus into a heavily

[2:08:44] Voice 12: forested area and several hundred meters roughly 300 meters away from the recycling depot through

[2:08:50] Voice 12: the forest so what my experiences show is that um there's trade-offs when we relocate are we

[2:08:58] Voice 12: if we're going to do that not only do we have to start the whole process all over again and

[2:09:03] Voice 12: potentially lose a year or two, that's fine if it's worth doing so. But before we do that,

[2:09:09] Voice 12: let's make sure that it's something that is supportable, that's more rational, and that's

[2:09:14] Voice 12: going to get us towards, I think, an approvable solution. I don't think we should start all over

[2:09:21] Voice 12: again if there's going to be other concerns, other trade-offs, and ultimately it's still not

[2:09:26] Voice 12: something that's any better at the end of the day. I haven't been able to come up with even

[2:09:32] Voice 12: Even removing my, I'm sure you perceive me to potentially sound like I'm biased as I'm working to represent Rogers and get this project done.

[2:09:39] Voice 12: But removing, to the extent possible, any biases from that lens, I cannot come up with, genuinely, a location in the area that I think is superior.

[2:09:52] Voice 12: So with that, I welcome all ideas.

[2:09:55] Voice 12: We're amenable to going back to the drawing board within reason.

[2:09:59] Voice 12: reason. But I think only if it gets us to a better place and a place of being able to deliver this

[2:10:05] Voice 12: service. You know, there's no point in doing all of that. If you know, it takes another year, and

[2:10:11] Voice 12: you know, the island's trust is still non supportive, or it has a whole bunch of other

[2:10:17] Voice 12: issues. So that's my thoughts on that. It's not that we're opposed to other ideas, we just aren't

[2:10:26] Voice 12: aren't aware of a better solution, so to speak.

[2:10:30] Voice 12: Do

[2:10:33] Voice 18: you have something else to add?

[2:10:34] Voice 4: Well, I'm going to say there are better solutions, and even if it's within a year,

[2:10:38] Voice 4: there could be even better solutions within that year that are not a tower.

[2:10:42] Voice 4: This is a small island.

[2:10:44] Voice 4: This is not even down there.

[2:10:46] Voice 4: This is not Tuxedo.

[2:10:47] Voice 4: It's got three towers.

[2:10:50] Voice 4: There's other alternatives to this tower.

[2:10:55] Voice 4: That's all that I'm going to say.

[2:10:57] Voice 4: and I think that perhaps you should come back with that explore those alternatives beyond the tower

[2:11:03] Voice 4: and you say it's going to be not you know proper connection well it's not you know so what drive

[2:11:08] Voice 4: a little further if we don't have kind of do we are a rural island if people are coming to this

[2:11:12] Voice 4: island just for why you know having cell phone coverage all over the island that's you know

[2:11:18] Voice 4: this is this is not stay in the city really because if you nobody's going to complain yes

[2:11:28] Voice 4: Yes, you say it's all about safety, but there's lots of other ways to call.

[2:11:32] Voice 4: And, you know, I've hurt myself in the backyard.

[2:11:34] Voice 4: And, yeah, I call to the phone, but that's what it is.

[2:11:37] Voice 4: And I'm just really disappointed that you haven't come up with a satellite alternative,

[2:11:43] Voice 4: even though you say it's not.

[2:11:44] Voice 4: I think it's no better than a tower in terms of connectivity.

[2:11:49] Voice 4: You haven't proven that.

[2:11:50] Voice 4: And you haven't proven the fact that when that tower goes, it's going to be taller,

[2:11:54] Voice 4: and there's going to be co-locators, because you have to make money.

[2:12:00] Voice 5: thank

[2:12:01] Voice 4: you if

[2:12:05] Voice 12: i if i may respond uh chair peterson go ahead okay so you know i i haven't done this

[2:12:13] Voice 12: because i i didn't want to take up too much time but i'm wondering if it might be worth

[2:12:19] Voice 12: just briefly having me run through um our rationale for this proposal you know and and the

[2:12:28] Voice 12: ladder that i drafted just each of the points very briefly i could probably do it in about

[2:12:32] Voice 12: two or three minutes because I think there's a lot of important detail there. Some of it's

[2:12:40] Voice 12: been commented on but some has been overlooked but would that be okay to take a couple minutes

[2:12:48] Voice 12: to do that?

[2:12:49] Voice 8: I'm seeing some nods here and I just want to remind us we do have a presentation

[2:12:54] Voice 8: starting at two o'clock so I want to make sure that we're wrapped up in plenty of time for that

[2:13:01] Voice 8: because I want to respect that presentation

[2:13:03] Voice 12: so go ahead

[2:13:05] Voice 8: okay

[2:13:06] Voice 12: so I'll keep my part very brief

[2:13:09] Voice 12: and if if okay um you know I'll just get from beginning through the end probably in a couple

[2:13:15] Voice 12: minutes and then I'll leave it to you all to uh to conclude from there so you know on the on

[2:13:21] Voice 12: resolution number one we can skip the the first one and go to item b it talks about

[2:13:27] Voice 12: support for community housing. Well, I did, and I think Roger's rightly noted from the outset

[2:13:33] Voice 12: that there's no reason from our perspective, just to reiterate again, but there can't be

[2:13:38] Voice 12: housing and a communication site on this parcel. It's a huge lot. There's various ways you could

[2:13:44] Voice 12: configure that, and it could be done very safely, and I think in an aesthetically responsible way

[2:13:48] Voice 12: with respectful setbacks. It's a huge parcel of land, so I think there's no reason that that

[2:13:54] Voice 12: that couldn't be achieved in a respectful way for people that want housing as well.

[2:13:59] Voice 12: So from our perspective, there's no issue with that.

[2:14:03] Voice 12: Why did we arrive here in the first place?

[2:14:05] Voice 12: Well, the province did advise us before we started out with our application.

[2:14:10] Voice 12: There were no applications for any other types of tenure, including housing.

[2:14:14] Voice 12: And then we also discovered in your own land use bylaw that the PUA public use zone

[2:14:19] Voice 12: It really effectively does permit radio communications type infrastructure, hence there being the local radio station fire hall power.

[2:14:28] Voice 12: I know we've touched on that, but there was a rationale for it.

[2:14:31] Voice 12: We did also look to the local land use bylaw.

[2:14:35] Voice 12: We also think that there should be some consideration to the fact that our application started in 2022 and still to this day in 2024.

[2:14:42] Voice 12: So just in terms of timing, there is no housing application.

[2:14:45] Voice 12: You know, so for any applicant, you know, ideally, there's some consideration of, you know, who ever made an application, you know, first in the queue, and not just by a small amount of time, several years we're talking about here.

[2:14:58] Voice 12: Regarding the public input, I just, what I was trying to get at here is that, so this is item C in the first resolution.

[2:15:07] Voice 12: solution, what we tried to do, even though our proposal is on provincial Crown land,

[2:15:12] Voice 12: is align with the Hornby strategy and the local consultation requirements.

[2:15:19] Voice 12: In fact, even this year we were asked to top up on our prior notification and we did an

[2:15:24] Voice 12: additional mail out to top up to make sure that we did achieve all of the components

[2:15:30] Voice 12: of the model strategy.

[2:15:31] Voice 12: strategy. What my summary was trying to show there wasn't to suggest that there was in the first

[2:15:38] Voice 12: round 62% support. It says 62% said support or just merely contacted me, for example, for information.

[2:15:47] Voice 12: So can I please attend the public meeting? And we got nothing further. So we didn't want to lump

[2:15:52] Voice 12: that into a non-support category. It's just most people were either supportive or ambivalent or

[2:15:59] Voice 12: just wanted information about it. I'd be more than happy to follow up with a more fine-tuned breakdown

[2:16:04] Voice 12: for you if you'd like, but every single comment has been has been handed over to you in our

[2:16:10] Voice 12: rather long report there in the appendix. It's almost 700 pages. And then again with our second

[2:16:17] Voice 12: round of consultation that we were requested to do this year to top up to align with the model

[2:16:22] Voice 12: model strategy. Only eight people chose to comment and most of them were supportive and I've handed

[2:16:30] Voice 12: over all of those comments. So that's what I was trying to conclude in that section is

[2:16:37] Voice 12: in your referral response, it didn't actually include any of the official, if you will,

[2:16:42] Voice 12: consultation results that we were required to do or requested to do directly by the Island's

[2:16:49] Voice 12: trust through the model strategy it included instead a petition that was outside of that

[2:16:55] Voice 12: process it's totally fine of course to include whatever comments were received a letter a

[2:17:02] Voice 12: detailed report from a community member and some other ancillary comments but completely excluded

[2:17:07] Voice 12: the results of the consultation that the islands trust required us to go through so we found that

[2:17:13] Voice 12: fairly perplexing because it was outside of the process. Getting to item D there

[2:17:21] Voice 12: was a comment in the resolution that there would be effects on on wildlife

[2:17:25] Voice 12: and then again in item E that there would be concerns with migratory birds.

[2:17:30] Voice 12: Well how it works with communication sites is essentially under the Impact

[2:17:35] Voice 12: Assessment Act because the footprint of a communication site is so small

[2:17:39] Voice 12: typically there usually is no requirement for an environmental impact

[2:17:43] Voice 12: impact assessment. And with that said, we'd be more than happy to look into it further and

[2:17:48] Voice 12: potentially get some consulting input from a biologist or someone who has more subject matter

[2:17:55] Voice 12: expertise. But I think you'll find that there's little to no effects. The final point is that the

[2:18:03] Voice 12: application area, your resolution item G states that it's too close to existing housing, but there

[2:18:09] Voice 12: there is no existing housing on the site or in the immediately adjacent area for several hundred

[2:18:15] Voice 12: meters, I would say almost half a kilometer. And the closest house is not only that far away,

[2:18:22] Voice 12: but it's separated by mature trees. And I would venture to say that they wouldn't even be able to

[2:18:27] Voice 12: see the tower. So that's the first resolution. And then I've already commented on resolution

[2:18:34] Voice 12: number two earlier, but I'll briefly touch on it again. We were issued a statement of

[2:18:39] Voice 12: non-concurrence. However, I said the federal government indicated to us that the concurrence

[2:18:46] Voice 12: decision has to come from the province. So again, it's okay for the Islands Trust to make whatever

[2:18:56] Voice 12: comments that it wants, but it was intended to be a referral, not a land use concurrence decision

[2:19:01] Voice 12: in a formal way. So as you can see from our perspective, each and every point in the

[2:19:07] Voice 12: the resolution has some material issues or challenges or process oversights, if you will,

[2:19:16] Voice 12: in our opinion. And so we think it merits reopening that all up and just calling that

[2:19:22] Voice 12: into question. And then if you want, we can park that. I don't think there's any value in having

[2:19:28] Voice 12: a heated debate about it. But to Trustee Allen's point, what do we do next? Well, what we're hoping

[2:19:34] Voice 12: hoping to do is work towards a mutually acceptable solution, bearing in mind that it might not

[2:19:40] Voice 12: be possible to 100% achieve everyone's objectives. If, as a service provider, Rogers and Telus

[2:19:47] Voice 12: want to deliver service, we need this infrastructure. There will be people on the other side of

[2:19:52] Voice 12: the spectrum that want to live off the grid and don't want any infrastructure anywhere.

[2:19:57] Voice 12: It's completely impossible to achieve both of those objectives 100%, so there has to

[2:20:03] Voice 12: be compromised there has to if we're going to deliver service so i'll leave it at that i know

[2:20:09] Voice 12: you have um another presenter at two in about seven minutes but uh i hope that that was helpful

[2:20:17] Voice 8: yeah i just have a comment or two on on what you just said um with regards to the petition uh

[2:20:27] Voice 8: occurring outside the process well fair enough but i'm sure you're also quite aware that that

[2:20:34] Voice 8: there was a lot of community disaffection with the process, the timing and the notice for the

[2:20:46] Voice 8: electronic meeting, the format being electronic. So if you imagine yourself in our seat for a

[2:20:56] Voice 8: moment um uh here's a significant number of community members have signed this document

[2:21:04] Voice 8: sure it occurred outside of of your process but it also occurred in the context of deep concerns

[2:21:12] Voice 8: with the process and these are community members that it's the duty of this committee to to listen

[2:21:20] Voice 8: to their concerns so you know it's fine to bring up that technically it's outside of the process

[2:21:27] Voice 8: but it's very important for this committee to to be cognizant of those numbers and those desires of

[2:21:34] Voice 8: those community members and i'm sure you can imagine what that would be like sitting in in

[2:21:39] Voice 8: our chair rather than yours the final thing um just in terms of of your preparations um

[2:21:48] Voice 8: And it's identified on page 48 of this agenda package is within the Hornby Island official community plan is advocacy policy 5.5.5, which says Industry Canada is encouraged to prohibit commercial microwave towers and satellite antennae on Hornby Island.

[2:22:09] Voice 8: Now, that's only an advocacy policy, but I'll note that advocacy policies do not make it into official community plans if there's not some significant community support for them.

[2:22:25] Voice 8: So to me, again, if I were sitting in your seat a couple years ago looking at this proposal, that advocacy policy 5.5.5 ought to have raised some concerns there.

[2:22:40] Voice 8: And especially about how to go about consultation process with the

[2:22:46] Voice 8: community that has such an advocacy policy in their OCP.

[2:22:51] Voice 8: And then when concerns are raised about the timing of the electronic

[2:22:56] Voice 8: meeting, the format being electronic rather in person, that again,

[2:23:03] Voice 8: those, those things should kind of inform themselves.

[2:23:06] Voice 8: And so I think there's been a bit of a sense in the community that sure

[2:23:10] Voice 8: Sure, your default process through ISED is legally what you're, you know, obligated to do.

[2:23:17] Voice 8: You're not obligated to do more.

[2:23:20] Voice 8: But again, I encourage you to imagine yourself sitting in our seat and looking at it from that perspective.

[2:23:29] Voice 8: Anything else, trustees, today?

[2:23:32] Voice 8: And I am encouraged, I will say I'm encouraged to hear that there's some willingness to look at potentially a different site.

[2:23:40] Voice 8: we're not going to accomplish any anything I think more today and we do have our next

[2:23:46] Voice 8: presenter coming in in three minutes so is there anything else you'd like to address before we

[2:23:52] Voice 8: bid you farewell for the day Mr. Craig yes

[2:23:56] Voice 12: thank you Chair Peterson I appreciate the the challenging

[2:23:59] Voice 12: position that the trustees are in I know you have a vocal constituent there and I was mindful of

[2:24:06] Voice 12: that from the outset and as I had noted I think it might have been to your predecessor because

[2:24:11] Voice 12: this did start quite some time ago I had dealt with a prior TELUS application which was met with

[2:24:17] Voice 12: I would say even more fervor of opposition in a different location so we did try to craft

[2:24:23] Voice 12: a proposal that would address those concerns with regards to the process and the consultation

[2:24:32] Voice 12: results, all that I was trying to get at was that the referral response, again, no issue,

[2:24:39] Voice 12: of course, that it included a petition and items outside of the official process.

[2:24:44] Voice 12: I would never state a concern about that.

[2:24:47] Voice 12: It's more just that it excluded the results of the process that the Islands Trust specifically

[2:24:54] Voice 12: required me to follow.

[2:24:56] Voice 12: That was completely excluded from the referral response.

[2:24:59] Voice 12: response um so that's really i guess what i was i was trying to say um at the end of the day

[2:25:06] Voice 12: looking forward to continuing the dialogue hoping to find a solution and i do understand the

[2:25:12] Voice 12: position that you're all in and i hope we can continue to have some amicable dialogue and

[2:25:17] Voice 12: find a way forward okay

[2:25:21] Voice 8: thank you so uh we're going to move on uh because we're just at two

[2:25:28] Voice 8: o'clock here we'll come back to uh section 8.4 after we uh get the presentation um coming up

[2:25:37] Voice 8: at 11.1 and uh do we have the presenters online hello if

[2:25:45] Voice 8: you want to introduce yourself and and

[2:25:47] Voice 8: go ahead welcome very pleased to have

[2:25:50] Voice 8: you here today for

[2:25:51] Voice 1: sure um is my presentation set up there

[2:25:54] Voice 1: or do you want me to share the screen?

[2:25:59] Voice 8: We don't actually, you know what?

[2:26:02] Voice 8: Because we're live in a room,

[2:26:04] Voice 8: we don't actually have a screen set up.

[2:26:06] Voice 8: I'm going to go ahead and log into the Zoom though

[2:26:10] Voice 8: so that at least we can have it,

[2:26:13] Voice 8: at least I can have it visible here.

[2:26:18] Voice 8: So let's see.

[2:26:24] Voice 8: Yeah, so you can go ahead and share the screen.

[2:26:28] Voice 8: and trustees if you want to want to log into the zoom meeting so you can see it otherwise we can

[2:26:34] Voice 8: crowd around mine that's fine too all

[2:26:37] Voice 1: right sorry i did this at denman a couple weeks ago and they

[2:26:40] Voice 1: had it set up so um

[2:26:42] Voice 8: no problem

[2:26:45] Voice 1: over there it's

[2:26:52] Voice 8: in the calendar oh wait kill my audio and then we

[2:26:58] Voice 8: feedback there um awesome

[2:27:02] Voice 1: i'll just talk a lot

[2:27:04] Voice 8: so that you can cover

[2:27:05] Voice 1: people who are um who are

[2:27:07] Voice 1: there sorry i wasn't able to make it in person today um my name is rainy bevel aqua and i'm the

[2:27:14] Voice 1: archaeologist and project coordinator for the comox first nation so we've been working with

[2:27:19] Voice 1: islands trust on a lot of different projects and part of it was uh education towards our cultural

[2:27:26] Voice 1: heritage investigation permits and how they can be used by municipalities and property owners as

[2:27:34] Voice 1: a reconciliation tool and so this was put together by our archaeology and referrals department.

[2:27:42] Voice 1: I'll just start off with a brief land acknowledgement. I am currently working out

[2:27:48] Voice 1: of Comox territory but Comox as well as Hornby Island is the traditional territory of an

[2:27:55] Voice 1: amalgamation of nations. So the Comox First Nation is made up of the Aixin, Shafloot,

[2:28:00] Voice 1: Sasikla and Pentlatch people. And so the territory of the Comox is quite broad and goes from all the

[2:28:08] Voice 1: way from the Englishman River in Parksville all the way up to the Salmon River in Sayward.

[2:28:14] Voice 1: And we have a history in this area spanning recorded 5,000 years but likely a lot longer.

[2:28:21] Voice 1: we're still searching for some of those older sites um our archaeology and referrals departments

[2:28:31] Voice 1: uh our main purpose is to manage and mitigate impacts to kfn's cultural heritage

[2:28:37] Voice 1: through our cultural heritage investigation permits we call them chips uh which we do in

[2:28:43] Voice 1: our what we call our southern core territory so uh there's a map on the screen so it shows that

[2:28:49] Voice 1: that larger traditional territory of the Comox First Nation,

[2:28:53] Voice 1: and then the smaller polygon, which is our southern core territory,

[2:28:58] Voice 1: which is from Deep Bay all the way to the north to the Oyster River,

[2:29:03] Voice 1: as well as Hornby and Denman Island.

[2:29:06] Voice 1: We also work lots to educate the larger community

[2:29:10] Voice 1: on the importance of archaeology as a faction of KFN cultural heritage,

[2:29:15] Voice 1: collaborate with municipalities, provincial and federal organizations,

[2:29:18] Voice 1: private property owners, and archaeologists, and to document and exercise KFN's control over

[2:29:25] Voice 1: cultural heritage through research and repatriation. So just a brief overview of what

[2:29:31] Voice 1: archaeology is. It's the study of human history through the excavation and analysis of sites,

[2:29:37] Voice 1: artifacts, and other physical remains. In BC, site and belongings are considered archaeological if

[2:29:45] Voice 1: they're related to human occupation and predate 1846. So 1846 is a pretty arbitrary date. That's

[2:29:52] Voice 1: the date that what was then the Vancouver, Vancouver Island, the colony Vancouver Island and

[2:29:59] Voice 1: And the.

[2:30:00] Voice 1: very initial BC signed the Oregon Treaty. Other provinces have rolling dates of 100 or 50 years

[2:30:10] Voice 1: where everything is considered archaeological after that. But in BC, we have a strict date of

[2:30:15] Voice 1: 1846. So something from 1845 is considered archaeological, something from 1847 is

[2:30:22] Voice 1: considered non-archaeological. It can get heritage status, but we do mostly see buildings get

[2:30:29] Voice 1: get heritage status. And so we actually have a lot of information and protections that are lost

[2:30:34] Voice 1: from kind of our early settler period, and especially our early settler period of

[2:30:39] Voice 1: minority communities like Japanese Canadians and Chinese Canadians.

[2:30:43] Voice 1: There are over 62,000 archaeological sites recorded. These are recorded in the BC's

[2:30:51] Voice 1: Provincial Heritage Register, or RAD we call it, the Remote Access to Archaeological Data.

[2:30:55] Voice 1: data. These sites currently date anywhere from recent times to our oldest dates are over 14,000

[2:31:02] Voice 1: years ago. Once again these are just the recorded dates and we likely have dates a lot up to 20 or

[2:31:08] Voice 1: 30,000 years ago that we just haven't identified yet. Archaeological sites on both public and

[2:31:15] Voice 1: private land are protected under the Heritage Conservation Act and whether they're known or not

[2:31:21] Voice 1: and must not be altered without a permit so that's the legislation that we work under

[2:31:26] Voice 1: and it's the BC archaeology branch who is responsible for maintaining and distributing

[2:31:31] Voice 1: archaeological information deciding if permits can be issued and allowing development to take

[2:31:37] Voice 1: place in protected sites so lots of archaeology is secretive you don't know where it is but

[2:31:43] Voice 1: there's other places where archaeology is very visible so there's a photo of a tree an old apple

[2:31:50] Voice 1: tree growing out of midden or shell midden or cultural shell deposit. This is taken from

[2:31:56] Voice 1: Brooklyn Creek Park here in Comox and there's just very obviously archaeological material is

[2:32:01] Voice 1: very visible to anyone who goes in the park. The Heritage Conservation Act, that's the legislation

[2:32:09] Voice 1: that we work under with the main rule that except is authorized by a permit, a person must not damage,

[2:32:16] Voice 1: damage, excavate, dig in, or alter, or remove any heritage objects from a site that contains

[2:32:22] Voice 1: artifacts, features, material, or other physical evidence of human habitation or use before 1846.

[2:32:28] Voice 1: So to do any of those things is against the Heritage of Conservation Act, and it is against

[2:32:33] Voice 1: the law in BC. Unfortunately, there are a few shortcomings when it comes to the HCA and

[2:32:43] Voice 1: archaeology branch. The main one being that the archaeology branch only requires permits within

[2:32:50] Voice 1: registered or known site boundaries and merely suggests that locations within 50 meters of a

[2:32:57] Voice 1: site or a location deemed to be high potential in a professional archaeological overview assessment

[2:33:04] Voice 1: gets permits. And so this map shows DKSF 10, which is a site here in Comox, which is a very

[2:33:13] Voice 1: large polygon. And then along Beach Drive, we have very small polygons. And so basically in the red

[2:33:22] Voice 1: zone, as they call it, you're required to get permits from the province and therefore permits

[2:33:27] Voice 1: from KFN before proceeding with work. But in the dash zone, it's only recommended. So

[2:33:34] Voice 1: So every time someone tries to go develop down on Beach Drive, they end up being stopped

[2:33:41] Voice 1: by the authorities and having to go through the permit process.

[2:33:45] Voice 1: But they're not really being given the right amount of information about this.

[2:33:49] Voice 1: And so it's causing more damage than if it was just required in these locations.

[2:33:56] Voice 1: Archaeological sites or the red zones are very inaccurately mapped.

[2:34:00] Voice 1: And this is sometimes people have a hard time with this.

[2:34:03] Voice 1: they go, okay, I know there's an archaeological site on my property, but only the front half of

[2:34:08] Voice 1: my property is archaeological. The rest of my property is outside that red zone. But unless

[2:34:12] Voice 1: there's been an archaeological study conducted on your property, we actually don't know whether

[2:34:17] Voice 1: the site continues into those other sections. And a lot of these were incorrectly mapped because

[2:34:22] Voice 1: they were mapped in the 1970s during boat surveys that happened, where archaeologists were sent out

[2:34:29] Voice 1: by the province to boat along the shoreline. In this area they went from Campbell River to Nanaimo

[2:34:35] Voice 1: and they noted where they identified archaeological sites from the boat. Sometimes they would come to

[2:34:41] Voice 1: shore and try to map out the inland extent as well as the extent along the shoreline and sometimes

[2:34:47] Voice 1: they just did it from the boat. So these are very inaccurate representations of the archaeology.

[2:34:54] Voice 1: There's archaeology there and there's archaeology in these areas but because the red zone stops

[2:34:59] Voice 1: doesn't mean that the archaeology stops and under the heritage legislation that archaeology is

[2:35:04] Voice 1: protected in and outside of what we call the red zones or the recorded boundaries.

[2:35:10] Voice 1: Another problem that we see is that local archaeological sites are kept confidential.

[2:35:15] Voice 1: This on one hand is good because it deters looters, which does happen. We have had instances

[2:35:20] Voice 1: of this happening, but it unfortunately means that homeowners, realtors, contractors, and developers

[2:35:26] Voice 1: are often unaware of registered archaeological sites on their properties. And as much as a

[2:35:32] Voice 1: community might have two looters, they're going to have probably 2,000 properties being developed

[2:35:38] Voice 1: in any given year or more, especially as we're hitting a development boom.

[2:35:43] Voice 1: So this is another one of those big problems. Another issue is that ARC branch permits can

[2:35:49] Voice 1: take six to nine months to issue, and even emails or site record information can take over a month

[2:35:56] Voice 1: to receive when you're just trying to contact the ARC branch who have questions and archaeological

[2:36:02] Voice 1: assessments are time-consuming and expensive in general for a single family lot uh to do

[2:36:08] Voice 1: archaeological assessments on on a minimum we're talking thirty thousand dollars and in an

[2:36:15] Voice 1: archaeological site that's intact with burials it could be upwards of half a million dollars so it's

[2:36:21] Voice 1: a lot of money that might be required to do these developments depending on how you decide to

[2:36:27] Voice 1: develop. There are ways to minimize the impacts which decrease the costs but unless those are

[2:36:32] Voice 1: known from the onset it becomes a very expensive and time-consuming process. Our most common

[2:36:41] Voice 1: scenarios unfortunately are that one private property owners are unaware of a registered

[2:36:48] Voice 1: archaeological site on their property and they begin construction. What happens if they're caught

[2:36:53] Voice 1: or if it's reported is that they've caused site destruction and then there's that infraction to

[2:37:00] Voice 1: the HCA. So what happens is the natural resource officers who are the ones who investigate these

[2:37:07] Voice 1: issues issue a stop work order. That means that there's no work on that site for 120 days

[2:37:13] Voice 1: and you're required to get those provincial permits which can take like I said up to nine

[2:37:19] Voice 1: months to issue so this is causing going to cause at least a year of delays to projects that could

[2:37:25] Voice 1: be partially started or almost finished. This happens a lot because either realtors haven't

[2:37:34] Voice 1: done their due diligence and clicked the box that says there's a heritage site on the property but

[2:37:39] Voice 1: But mostly, even if the realtors have clicked that box, it's a single little checkmark on

[2:37:45] Voice 1: your disclosure documents, and people don't know what that means.

[2:37:48] Voice 1: They don't know what it means, what they're required to do, because people aren't getting

[2:37:51] Voice 1: that information given to them.

[2:37:53] Voice 1: Another common scenario is that an unregistered archaeological site is located on property

[2:37:59] Voice 1: and homeowners begin construction.

[2:38:02] Voice 1: In this way, we couldn't have told anyone that this was, we could have given a likelihood,

[2:38:07] Voice 1: but if they had checked with the province to see if there was an archaeological site it would have

[2:38:13] Voice 1: come up negative obviously this causes site destruction and that same kind of stop work order

[2:38:18] Voice 1: unfortunately what we also see is what we call rogue development which is private property owners

[2:38:23] Voice 1: who are aware of the registered archaeological sites on their property or these red zones

[2:38:28] Voice 1: and begin construction anyways because they don't want to deal with the delays in time or the cost

[2:38:34] Voice 1: of archaeology. So if the NROs can prove that a person disturbed or destroyed archaeological

[2:38:41] Voice 1: material while also knowing that it was illegal against the law, they get issued that stop work

[2:38:48] Voice 1: order and it also goes to Crown Council, to the provincial courts, and can lead to jail time

[2:38:55] Voice 1: and fines. So I believe for an individual it's $50,000 and that can be put on the contractor

[2:39:02] Voice 1: or the property owner or both. And for corporations, it's $500,000. So those are some big

[2:39:09] Voice 1: kind of costs associated with that. So the general rule is that the earlier in a project,

[2:39:16] Voice 1: a property owner or developer is aware of the potential of archaeology, and KFN is consulted,

[2:39:22] Voice 1: as well as other archaeologists, the less site destruction will occur, and the faster and less

[2:39:28] Voice 1: expensive the projects will be to complete. So this is a photo of a house on Denman Island,

[2:39:34] Voice 1: and there's archaeological material, midden, all over the place. They didn't have the correct

[2:39:41] Voice 1: permits to do this work, and when the NROs did investigations, they found broken artifacts as

[2:39:49] Voice 1: well as broken ancestral remains. And that's one of our biggest issues, is that in cultural

[2:39:54] Voice 1: shell deposits or shell middens in this area. They were also, as much as they were used as

[2:40:00] Voice 1: refuse piles or garbage piles for food that had been eaten, like shells or bones or anything like

[2:40:06] Voice 1: that, they were also used as burial sites. So any large shell midden or large, what we call large

[2:40:13] Voice 1: village sites, also you're going to have burials in them. And KFN takes burials and the disturbance

[2:40:20] Voice 1: of ancestral remains very seriously because they're the direct ancestors of our modern day

[2:40:26] Voice 1: community. In 2010 or in 2020 we enacted the KFN cultural heritage policy under the statement

[2:40:36] Voice 1: that in the spirit of reconciliation we the KFN enact the KFN cultural heritage policy

[2:40:43] Voice 1: and commit to working with newcomers in the appropriate management of our cultural heritage.

[2:40:48] Voice 1: By enacting the KFN cultural heritage policy, we are reconciling our Aboriginal rights and title to our territory with the newcomers' desires to live in and modify our territory.

[2:40:58] Voice 1: So it's not KFN's policy to stop projects, to not allow development, but it's to make sure that developments are happening in a way that is respecting the cultural heritage while they are occurring.

[2:41:12] Voice 1: So, in general, we use our chips as a way to give free prior and informed consent.

[2:41:24] Voice 1: So, it allows us to have the proponent provide us with all the available relevant information regarding projects, the appropriate time and means to review the projects and identify potential concerns, discuss aspects of the project that could potentially like discussing low impact construction methods, which would minimize the impacts of the archaeological material and also minimize the costs.

[2:41:53] Voice 1: address any and all concerns, and by obtaining that confirmation from KFN in writing through the CHIP,

[2:42:00] Voice 1: it basically gives our consent to the project.

[2:42:05] Voice 1: So from our perspective, adhering to the cultural heritage policy and the CHIP is a fundamental part of the consultation process

[2:42:12] Voice 1: and allows us to make informed decisions about the irreversible impacts to KFN cultural heritage and archaeological sites.

[2:42:19] Voice 1: so our chip is a permit that is required before starting any ground disturbing projects or

[2:42:29] Voice 1: activities so you're required to get a chip when working within a registered archaeological site

[2:42:36] Voice 1: and within what we have called our KFN area of high archaeological potential which we created

[2:42:42] Voice 1: by buffering the major waterways and archaeological sites in the core territory by 200 meters so

[2:42:49] Voice 1: So I'll show a map in a second, and it'll show that for Hornby, we don't have any really inland

[2:42:55] Voice 1: sites. We have one CMT site near the co-op. But for the most part, we have the whole shore buffered

[2:43:07] Voice 1: by like 200 to 400 meters, depending on the archaeology that's there. Ground disturbance

[2:43:15] Voice 1: in registered archaeological sites is we're going to require both Heritage Conservation Act permits,

[2:43:20] Voice 1: as well as KFN permits and when working in archaeological sites under the legislation

[2:43:27] Voice 1: that I spoke of earlier it does include any kind of you do need a permit to do any digging

[2:43:34] Voice 1: filling staking ground leveling excavation trenching land clearing and grubbing so for

[2:43:41] Voice 1: example if you're capping a site with fill grubbing the topsoil digging fence posts or

[2:43:45] Voice 1: holes for trees excavating for a house septic or utility lines these activities are all

[2:43:50] Voice 1: considered ground disturbing and when they're happening in an archaeological site you're

[2:43:53] Voice 1: needing those provincial permits as well as KFN permits. The only allowable ground alteration in

[2:44:00] Voice 1: a registered archaeological site is minor gardening work such as planting flowers or

[2:44:04] Voice 1: tending to raised beds that you're digging less than 25 centimeters in an area that you have

[2:44:09] Voice 1: already been digging. So this is kind of the grandfathered in gardens but if you wanted to

[2:44:14] Voice 1: to put in a new garden into new land and you didn't want to bring in material, garden bed

[2:44:19] Voice 1: material, you'd need a permit for it. So the first thing that we ask is that property owners or

[2:44:28] Voice 1: developers make sure that they understand if their property is within the high potential area

[2:44:34] Voice 1: or not. So this information you can find for Hornby, it's when applying for a sitting in use

[2:44:42] Voice 1: permit. So Islands Trust has our area of potential on their internal mapping software, as well as

[2:44:49] Voice 1: the recorded archaeological sites. So they can tell you of your property's archaeological status.

[2:44:55] Voice 1: Your realtor can inform you of your property's archaeological status. And we are working with

[2:45:01] Voice 1: the local realtors to try to get everyone the shape file for the AOP as well. You can always

[2:45:09] Voice 1: always contact us at the Comox First Nation. If there is archaeological material identified on

[2:45:15] Voice 1: your property, and you want maps or information reports, etc. There is a $50 fee because under

[2:45:22] Voice 1: the legislation, we have to be under contract to share that information. And you can also contact

[2:45:27] Voice 1: the BC Archaeology Branch or the BC Association for Professional Archaeologists. And so in the

[2:45:33] Voice 1: next month we will also have on our website uh mapping software where you can put your address

[2:45:40] Voice 1: in and see if you're in the area of potential or not it won't show you whether you're in an

[2:45:44] Voice 1: archaeological site but all archaeological sites will be within that area so um the islands trust

[2:45:50] Voice 1: will will get access to that as well as anyone can look at it on our website once that's live

[2:45:55] Voice 1: And so just a side note that property owners are responsible to cover all associated archaeological permit, investigation, monitoring, reporting, and mitigation costs.

[2:46:12] Voice 1: So there's no provincial stipends or anything like that.

[2:46:16] Voice 1: So there are ways to minimize those costs by minimizing invasive excavation methods, but those costs all do come back on the property owner.

[2:46:26] Voice 1: so this is the area of potential so you can see Hornby Island there has basically a 200 to 300

[2:46:35] Voice 1: meter buffer around it so same as Denman Island and then kind of the shorelines

[2:46:43] Voice 1: on Vancouver Island as well as the major rivers and lakes

[2:46:49] Voice 1: so this is our rubric so if your property is located outside of an archaeological area of

[2:46:56] Voice 1: potential. You can do any kind of ground disturbing activities. You don't need a permit from KFN

[2:47:03] Voice 1: unless archaeological material is found. So people have been here for say 10,000 years. People are

[2:47:10] Voice 1: walking, canoeing, going everywhere. So the potential to find archaeological material

[2:47:16] Voice 1: is everywhere, but the potential to disturb burials and large village sites with really

[2:47:23] Voice 1: really rich archaeological history decreases the farther away you get from the shoreline where

[2:47:28] Voice 1: these large villages are and remain today. So somewhere inland there might be a chance to find

[2:47:36] Voice 1: say an arrowhead or something like that but you're not going to find a large village or a burial

[2:47:41] Voice 1: place and so they're a lot less they're a lot more difficult to predict. So if you do come across

[2:47:49] Voice 1: archaeological material while doing these works, the protocol is to stop, contact us at KFN and

[2:47:56] Voice 1: we can help you through those next steps. Same as if you're on a walk and you identify archaeological

[2:48:02] Voice 1: material, it's illegal to pick it up, but you can contact KFN and we can come retrieve the artifact

[2:48:09] Voice 1: and go through the proper process with the province. We also don't require permits if

[2:48:17] Voice 1: if you're working within the AOP, but outside of a registered archaeological site, and you're

[2:48:23] Voice 1: disturbing less than 100 square feet of the ground. So 100 square feet is about the size of a one car

[2:48:28] Voice 1: garage, or like a sedan, that kind of just a small area. Once again, it's just because of the

[2:48:36] Voice 1: potential, the amount of damage that could be caused. If this area is very, very close to a

[2:48:44] Voice 1: well-known archaeological site, we would say that the proper process would be to get permits. So it

[2:48:49] Voice 1: is on a case-by-case basis, but in general, doing small projects is not likely to lead to a large

[2:48:55] Voice 1: amount of disturbance. When we do require chips is when we're in the area of potential and more

[2:49:02] Voice 2: than

[2:49:02] Voice 1: 100 square feet of ground alteration is planned. If this is the case, we ask for a PFR

[2:49:09] Voice 1: FAR chip, which is preliminary field reconnaissance or a site survey, which means that either our crew

[2:49:14] Voice 1: from KFN or another local archaeologist comes to your property and does a non-invasive site survey

[2:49:20] Voice 1: to determine if archaeological material is present. So if archaeological material is present,

[2:49:26] Voice 1: we record it for the province and then help property owners through the next stages of

[2:49:31] Voice 1: permitting. If the property is negative for archaeological material, once again, there is

[2:49:36] Voice 1: is always a possibility of there being small amounts. But if there's a large amount of

[2:49:40] Voice 1: archaeological material, we almost always see it on the surface in these erosion faces and tree

[2:49:46] Voice 1: throws and things like that. So if we didn't identify anything archaeological, we write up a

[2:49:52] Voice 1: report that says we investigated the whole property, we didn't find anything, and you don't

[2:49:57] Voice 1: need to do another PFR. So those kind of they hold on to their value. So in 10 years, if you want to

[2:50:03] Voice 1: to do another renovation or build a cabin or something like that, you don't need to redo this

[2:50:07] Voice 1: process. And then also any ground disturbing activities within those registered archaeological

[2:50:14] Voice 1: sites, that's when you need both a KFN chip as well as those Heritage Conservation Act permits,

[2:50:22] Voice 1: those you are applied for by the archaeologist. And we do a two-stage process. Stage one is

[2:50:28] Voice 1: is the archaeological impact assessment or a HIP permit.

[2:50:31] Voice 1: That's the data gathering portion.

[2:50:33] Voice 1: So that's when you're going out to the site,

[2:50:35] Voice 1: you're doing shovel testing in a five by five metre grid

[2:50:38] Voice 1: through the development area or the whole property.

[2:50:40] Voice 1: And you're identifying where there is archaeological material.

[2:50:44] Voice 1: And if there is archaeological material, whether it's intact or disturbed.

[2:50:49] Voice 1: For archaeology, once everything is disturbed,

[2:50:52] Voice 1: when it has been mixed up already,

[2:50:54] Voice 1: we really can't get a lot of information out of it.

[2:50:56] Voice 1: all we can do is collect things so we can collect artifacts we can collect bones we can collect

[2:51:01] Voice 1: ancestral remains but we can't make any uh learn anything from the context in which they were

[2:51:06] Voice 1: buried so whether this artifact is the same age as as this human was uh from the same time period

[2:51:13] Voice 1: whether this one thing is older than this other thing once things have been disturbed and no

[2:51:18] Voice 1: longer in their intact stratigraphy we lose a lot of information um the more uh development you want

[2:51:25] Voice 1: to do in the and the more intact deposits you're doing it that's where you're seeing costs rise so

[2:51:30] Voice 1: for example if you have a property and after the aia you know that it's split into three sections

[2:51:36] Voice 1: a section where there was no archaeological material a section where there was disturbed

[2:51:40] Voice 1: archaeological material and a section where there was intact archaeological material

[2:51:45] Voice 1: you don't need any permits to work in any further permits to work in the area where there's no

[2:51:51] Voice 1: no archaeological material. For disturbed material, you need that SAP permit, but all that we do is

[2:51:58] Voice 1: make sure that we're 100% screening and or raking and collecting everything from those disturbed

[2:52:05] Voice 1: deposits. Where archaeology gets very expensive is when you're working with an intact material.

[2:52:11] Voice 1: So for intact material, KFN requires 25 to 50% what we call systematic data excavation, which

[2:52:18] Voice 1: which means that you're going down in one meter by one meter excavation units by 10 centimeters

[2:52:24] Voice 1: at a time. And you're collecting all the information that there is about the site,

[2:52:29] Voice 1: how old it is, dating it, the different layers, everything like that. And so that's where

[2:52:34] Voice 1: archaeology becomes very expensive. So the less amount of intact material you disturbed,

[2:52:40] Voice 1: the less amount of archaeology you need to do. So once you know where your property is,

[2:52:48] Voice 1: you can figure out which application to apply for. And then we have the investigation. So for a PFR,

[2:52:54] Voice 1: it's basically we come to site, we do the survey, we either identify archaeological material or we

[2:53:01] Voice 1: don't, we complete a report. And then for example, if someone else had done this survey, we review

[2:53:07] Voice 1: the report and either issue a consent letter to proceed to step four, which is our mitigation,

[2:53:12] Voice 1: mitigation, request the next level of CHIP. If, for example, a PFR was positive, they then would

[2:53:18] Voice 1: need to do an AIA, or issue a non-consent letter in cases where the project has irreversible impacts

[2:53:24] Voice 1: to KFN cultural heritage and ancestors. We've never done this, and I don't see us doing this

[2:53:30] Voice 1: as long as we can collaborate with property owners on how to minimize impacts, but it is an option.

[2:53:36] Voice 1: Then we have our mitigation. So it's during that site alteration phase where you'd then need that 25 to 50% systematic data recovery for those intact areas.

[2:53:50] Voice 1: In general, we prefer to avoid impacts, but if they can't be avoided, we're maximizing data recovery.

[2:53:58] Voice 1: recovery. There is a low impact construction methods document the archaeology branch has put

[2:54:06] Voice 1: forward. It's very helpful in minimizing impact. So for example helical piling is a way of doing

[2:54:12] Voice 1: foundations where you screw pilings into the ground instead of building a foundation and this

[2:54:19] Voice 1: is a lot less impact than a full foundation or a basement would be. So there's lots of things

[2:54:24] Voice 1: there's even above ground septic tanks and septic systems now so if you wanted a septic system

[2:54:30] Voice 1: instead of doing a big excavation for the septic tanks all you would do was have a septic tank

[2:54:36] Voice 1: above the ground you'd build a little shed around it it just looked like any kind of garden shed and

[2:54:41] Voice 1: you wouldn't have to do any archaeology associated with that we obviously make maintain that all

[2:54:48] Voice 1: efforts must be taken to avoid the excavation of ancestral burials when ancestors are

[2:54:54] Voice 1: uncovered, the developers or proponents are responsible for costs associated with reburials

[2:54:59] Voice 1: or repatriation and associated ceremonial and funerary work. Our preferences always go as such.

[2:55:06] Voice 1: If development can be rerouted around a burial, we would like to leave the ancestor in the place

[2:55:12] Voice 1: where it was initially buried. If that's not possible but there is an area on the property

[2:55:18] Voice 1: where the ancestor can be reburied. That is our next preference. For those first two scenarios,

[2:55:24] Voice 1: we ask for a letter from the property owner that states that they know where those burials are

[2:55:28] Voice 1: and they won't be impacting them in the future. We also hope those letters, although they're kept

[2:55:34] Voice 1: at KFN, are also given as part of disclosure documents for sales. If neither of those things

[2:55:40] Voice 1: can happen then we do full excavations of the ancestors and repatriations. Currently just to

[2:55:48] Voice 1: our grave house at our cemetery in Comox but we do have hopes to put grave houses on Dorn Hornby

[2:55:55] Voice 1: and Denman as well so that those ancestors who were buried there don't have to leave the island.

[2:56:02] Voice 1: We see the chip as a solution to those shortcomings we talked about earlier because

[2:56:08] Voice 1: because we have the same requirements for basically the whole 200 meters or the buffered zone.

[2:56:16] Voice 1: So there's a map showing that the yellow is now that 200 meter buffer.

[2:56:22] Voice 1: We find we also, our guardians and archaeology departments,

[2:56:26] Voice 1: continue to conduct shoreline surveys on public land to increase accuracy of site boundaries

[2:56:30] Voice 1: and identify and record new sites.

[2:56:33] Voice 1: are uh those pfrs that we do on private land increases the accuracy of site boundaries and

[2:56:40] Voice 1: identifies and records new sites so we find that from 15 to 25 percent of the time we're identifying

[2:56:45] Voice 1: we identify archaeological material on uh on these on these properties and can then help the property

[2:56:52] Voice 1: owners through the process we spend a lot of time just answering general questions educating and

[2:56:59] Voice 1: sharing specific archaeological site details with homeowners, realtors, contractors, and developers,

[2:57:04] Voice 1: and working with municipalities to increase public awareness of archaeological sites.

[2:57:10] Voice 1: Our CHIPs, unlike the provincial permits, only take one to three weeks to issue, and they allow

[2:57:16] Voice 1: us to identify archaeological material early and before destruction has happened, which means we're

[2:57:21] Voice 1: decreasing the amount of HCA infractions. And so the earlier you know there's archaeology on

[2:57:29] Voice 1: your property, the easier it is to change your construction methods and decrease the

[2:57:34] Voice 1: costs and timeline associated. So we started issuing permits in 2021. That year we issued

[2:57:43] Voice 1: about 27. We then went up to about 46. Last year, we issued 67. And then this year, we're at about

[2:57:51] Voice 1: 105 right now at the beginning of November. So we are growing exponentially. And we're really

[2:57:58] Voice 1: finding that our greater permitting area, the more accurate site locations, increased site

[2:58:03] Voice 1: identification, increased public awareness, efficient permitting, and early mitigation

[2:58:08] Voice 1: is leading to an increase in site protection and a decrease in site destruction, which is what we

[2:58:14] Voice 1: want to see at KFN, as well as a decreased risk to project timelines and costs, which is what

[2:58:19] Voice 1: property owners and developers want to see. So what we're really asking is help to streamline

[2:58:27] Voice 1: the process. Like I said, we're working with Islands Trust to do this, but we also need

[2:58:34] Voice 1: buy-in and just the ability to get this information out to the general public as well.

[2:58:39] Voice 1: So we work with six different municipalities, the town of Comox, Village of Cumberland, City of Courtney, Comox Valley Regional District, Nanaimo Regional District and Islands Trust, as well as provincial and federal entities.

[2:58:52] Voice 1: So we have a lot of different municipalities and entities that we have to work with.

[2:58:57] Voice 1: But in general, we're asking that all building permit applications be checked against AOP and RAD.

[2:59:06] Voice 1: Islands Trust is doing this for the sitting and use permits.

[2:59:09] Voice 1: But there are things like septic tanks and land clearing that don't fall under Islands Trust jurisdiction.

[2:59:16] Voice 1: So it is still important for property owners to be checking that themselves.

[2:59:21] Voice 1: Require referrals, chips and KFN consent letters prior to approving building permits.

[2:59:26] Voice 1: This is also important for contractors to make sure that people have chips in hand before they're going to site to do work.

[2:59:35] Voice 1: because if they know that they're disturbing archaeology then they can also be liable.

[2:59:40] Voice 1: So it's better for everyone if they're working under this system. We do have quite a few

[2:59:47] Voice 1: contractors on Hornby who always get chips out which is great and just in general helping us

[2:59:55] Voice 1: provide education and increasing awareness of archaeology and KFN cultural history.

[3:00:00] Voice 1: for everyone who lives and works in the Comox Valley

[3:00:02] Voice 1: and the surrounding area.

[3:00:06] Voice 1: This buy-in to our CHIP system is really

[3:00:10] Voice 1: a reconcili-action tool.

[3:00:13] Voice 1: So it really helps us increase the awareness of archaeology

[3:00:16] Voice 1: and KFN cultural history within the greater community,

[3:00:19] Voice 1: increases the number of registered archaeological

[3:00:22] Voice 1: sites, decreases the number of destroyed sites

[3:00:24] Voice 1: and infractions to archaeological sites

[3:00:27] Voice 1: within kfn core southern territory and really is helping us move forward in developing pathways to

[3:00:33] Voice 1: site protection community stewardship and co-management so we have like i said five

[3:00:38] Voice 1: thousand years of recorded history here in this area and that is really cool for everyone not

[3:00:43] Voice 1: just our indigenous communities community members so that's something that we could all be proud of

[3:00:48] Voice 1: and all steward um we recently updated our website uh we have a chip info guide that has all of this

[3:00:56] Voice 1: information from this presentation in it. We split our CHIP forms into these three forms for

[3:01:02] Voice 1: the PFR to be applied for by the homeowner. So it's a really simple application. And then the

[3:01:07] Voice 1: AIA and SAPs for archaeologists. We have a mailing list that provides quarterly updates to the AOP.

[3:01:14] Voice 1: And also we're going to have it live on our website coming soon. We'll also have updated

[3:01:21] Voice 1: chip issuance letters, consent letters, and a KFN chance find policy for properties located

[3:01:28] Voice 1: outside of the AOP or that are doing small amounts of work that'll have information on

[3:01:32] Voice 1: how to identify archaeological material. So basically, if anyone is ever thinks that

[3:01:39] Voice 1: they've come across archaeological material, either on their property or while on a walk

[3:01:42] Voice 1: in a park or something like that, if you're doing construction, stop. If you find an artifact on the

[3:01:50] Voice 1: the ground, take the coordinates, take a picture, send that to KFN, and we'll help figure out how

[3:01:56] Voice 1: to move forward. But really, I'm always available to answer questions and come out to sites to take

[3:02:03] Voice 1: a look, do surveys, things like that. We're really just trying to make it kind of a community,

[3:02:08] Voice 1: a community stewardship model. And yeah, that's my contact info. So I'm more than happy to answer

[3:02:17] Voice 1: any questions that anyone has I know I'm a fast talker so I apologize for that but

[3:02:23] Voice 1: well thank

[3:02:27] Voice 8: you very much um trustee alan is hoping that we can get a copy of your presentation

[3:02:36] Voice 8: that we can review again later yeah

[3:02:38] Voice 1: it does I have shared it with islands trust but I can send

[3:02:42] Voice 1: it over again and it does have a lot of hyperlinks um which uh you can go through so you can click

[3:02:48] Voice 1: can find that low impact construction methods and everything like that so yeah

[3:02:53] Voice 4: trustee alan

[3:02:56] Voice 4: thank you for your presentation um i was just curious i might have missed it when you

[3:03:01] Voice 4: were talking because i'm kind of getting a little cold here but when like for example that

[3:03:07] Voice 4: the place on demo you're showing misbehaving let's just say um how did you know about that

[3:03:15] Voice 4: like how are you going to find out how are you finding out when people are misbehaving building

[3:03:19] Voice 4: and finding stuff yeah

[3:03:20] Voice 4: some

[3:03:21] Voice 1: areas it's easy right like in a developed area um we have different

[3:03:26] Voice 1: archaeologists we have kfn members myself driving around so if i'm driving and i think that we're

[3:03:32] Voice 1: in the aop or near an archaeological site i'll stop and check on my maps um if i'm seeing

[3:03:37] Voice 1: developments happen uh it's a lot more difficult on hornby and denman and in our more rural areas

[3:03:42] Voice 1: because so many places there's just not access people aren't seeing what people are doing

[3:03:46] Voice 1: And I respect people's privacy, of course, but the damage that can be done to KFN ancestors is pretty atrocious. We've seen some really, really horrible cases. And so our hope is that people can self-report if they start a project and then they feel like they've hit archaeological material.

[3:04:06] Voice 1: We have neighbors who report. In that case, we were doing a survey with Islands Trust for a land use amendment on a property and just happened to come across it. Lots of these ones, it tends to be that people reach out to us, we give them the information, and then they never reach out again, and they just move forward with their projects, knowing about the archaeology.

[3:04:29] Voice 1: And so then sometimes we catch it, but sometimes we don't.

[3:04:33] Voice 1: So it's definitely difficult on Hornby and Denman.

[3:04:38] Voice 1: Our guardians also go out and do boat surveys sometimes.

[3:04:42] Voice 1: But yeah, in general, it has to do with just people knowing, either neighbors knowing or,

[3:04:49] Voice 1: and I never want to suggest like ratting on your neighbors.

[3:04:52] Voice 1: And so that's why we're really trying to, we'd rather have no infraction reports to do

[3:04:57] Voice 1: and instead have people who just come to us and who are not scared because people get scared by

[3:05:03] Voice 1: archaeology they think that oh there's archaeology on my property the nation's going to take the land

[3:05:08] Voice 1: back or something like that and it's like no no no like that's not what we're doing we're just

[3:05:12] Voice 1: asking for stewardship and we're asking for collaboration because we have a lot of fun

[3:05:18] Voice 1: tricks and tools that we can do to minimize impacts that still allows you to build the

[3:05:22] Voice 1: beautiful house you've already always wanted, right? And so it's not stopping projects. It's

[3:05:27] Voice 1: just being like, hey, if we do projects differently, it's going to work better for everyone.

[3:05:31] Voice 1: But that only happens when people are interested in working with us. So the more that we get that

[3:05:36] Voice 1: information out there, which is why we're doing these talks and trying to get it to all levels,

[3:05:41] Voice 1: right? It's been really great to be able to work with some contractors who understand that they

[3:05:45] Voice 1: could be liable. And it's the same with realtors. Realtors being like, hey, if they don't do their

[3:05:49] Voice 1: due diligence and educate people about archaeology on their property they could be sued in the future

[3:05:55] Voice 1: and so it's like trying to like not use scare tactics but also say hey if we all do our jobs

[3:06:01] Voice 1: the best that we can and make sure that we're thinking about archaeology while we do them we're

[3:06:05] Voice 1: actually going to have a much better relationship between the settler community and KFN as well as

[3:06:11] Voice 1: easier ways to develop these areas because what we don't want is to crush someone's dreams about

[3:06:17] Voice 1: the home they've been saving for their beachfront they've been saving for their whole life that's

[3:06:22] Voice 1: not the point but what we don't want is to realize come across that property after it's been developed

[3:06:28] Voice 1: and find ancestral remains strewn about the surface and i wish we never found that we find

[3:06:34] Voice 1: that a lot so it's just getting that understanding and that respect for history to a point where

[3:06:39] Voice 1: people can say yes there's an archaeological site on my property yes i know what to do if something

[3:06:43] Voice 1: erodes out and isn't it cool that people were living exactly where I'm living for three thousand

[3:06:48] Voice 1: years right so there's just there's so much we could do together but we need to get that

[3:06:53] Voice 1: information out there.

[3:06:56] Voice 4: Sorry one more question um then in terms of you know everybody obviously

[3:07:00] Voice 4: assumes that they're all on the waterfront these sensitive sites archaeological sites but

[3:07:07] Voice 4: there are inland I'm just wondering how far inland have you found sites like on Hornby and Denman in

[3:07:13] Voice 4: terms of feet i guess or meters so

[3:07:16] Voice 1: inland the the the most inland site right now we have on hornby

[3:07:22] Voice 1: is uh in that uh bc parks land uh right beside uh the co-ops of the new part of the park where

[3:07:29] Voice 1: they're planning and putting new campsites um so there's been a cmt a culturally modified tree

[3:07:34] Voice 1: found in there um that's the most inland currently but like i said like our model doesn't require

[3:07:41] Voice 1: inland sites to be pre-surveyed um and so uh we will find more and more sites but cornby and denman

[3:07:50] Voice 1: especially are really under surveyed because so much development like development's been

[3:07:56] Voice 1: in general really slow we have people who've lived here since the 60s archaeological permits

[3:08:01] Voice 1: weren't required until 1994 and they really didn't start legislating it like you couldn't get in

[3:08:07] Voice 1: trouble for doing archaeology without a permit until like 2010 so it's a really new process

[3:08:12] Voice 1: similar to building permits or when the sitting and use permits went through where it's like I

[3:08:16] Voice 1: get it the transition period is hard but if we can work together on this and be ahead of the curve

[3:08:21] Voice 1: then we can actually identify some more inland sites potentially and learn more about that and

[3:08:27] Voice 1: and in general those inland sites are going to be a lot smaller than our shoreline sites so like a

[3:08:32] Voice 1: a single cmt gets a buffer of 10 meters you could still develop outside of that area um same with a

[3:08:38] Voice 1: small campsite or something like that along a river um hornby like we have been uh working

[3:08:46] Voice 1: with uh well i wouldn't say with the thatch pub site but we have been working on the thatch pub

[3:08:52] Voice 1: site where we've like identified 25 burials um throughout that work and and there's there was

[3:09:00] Voice 1: an agreement before my time between the nation and the developers and stuff like that but there

[3:09:06] Voice 1: there was parts of that project that could have been in minimized impact that would have minimized

[3:09:11] Voice 1: cost and timelines um so we're really trying to not recreate that project um in in new projects

[3:09:18] Voice 1: and times are changing and information is really getting more accessible on these kind of things

[3:09:23] Voice 1: and like that low impact construction methods from the archaeology branch was published this

[3:09:29] Voice 1: July. So never before then has there been something from them saying, hey, minimize the

[3:09:34] Voice 1: impacts and it'll minimize the archaeology costs. So there's like times are changing and we're

[3:09:39] Voice 1: evolving really fast right now. So we're just trying to kind of minimize heavily destructive

[3:09:44] Voice 1: projects, but also maximize if the requirement is, if minimization can't happen, we're maximizing

[3:09:52] Voice 1: data recovery. And so that's what we're seeing at the Thatch Pub where we're still waiting on

[3:09:57] Voice 1: radiocarbon dates and things like that but there's a potential that that site has 8 000 years of

[3:10:01] Voice 1: history like we're finding some really old artifacts there we're going to have a lot of

[3:10:06] Voice 1: information that's going to be really cool for the community it's unfortunate that through

[3:10:10] Voice 1: why why we have all this information is because we've had to do all this destruction

[3:10:14] Voice 1: of archaeological material and excavations of burials and things like that but we will learn

[3:10:19] Voice 1: a lot and so like there there is plus sides uh to even for the kfn community for that um but in

[3:10:26] Voice 1: general like if the kfn is involved if we have monitors on projects and things like that we are

[3:10:31] Voice 1: seeing like more site protection less destruction and and just if site destruction has to happen

[3:10:37] Voice 1: it's happening in a way that the community has consented to so thank

[3:10:41] Voice 8: you yeah great great

[3:10:45] Voice 8: presentation um i don't know if you know uh dana lepovsky but um uh we finally got set up she's

[3:10:53] Voice 8: He's going to be doing a presentation November 12th for trustees and staff on the Hueyte

[3:11:02] Voice 8: Laskiti Archaeology Project, which is, I mean, just deeply fascinating for those of us that

[3:11:08] Voice 8: have lived here and spent a lot of time here to get to know and learn more about that history.

[3:11:14] Voice 8: It's just, it's fascinating.

[3:11:16] Voice 1: Yeah.

[3:11:16] Voice 1: Well, and I'm a Wamsley as well.

[3:11:19] Voice 1: So most of my family lives on Hornby.

[3:11:21] Voice 1: So I understand that really cool.

[3:11:26] Voice 1: And the thing with that project on Leskete is that it's really brought together the communities.

[3:11:30] Voice 1: It's brought together the settler community and the Indigenous communities to work together and learn together.

[3:11:37] Voice 1: And that's been really, really amazing.

[3:11:38] Voice 1: So any kind of opportunity that we have to do that work, right?

[3:11:43] Voice 1: Like, I'm more than happy to give this presentation to anyone who's interested.

[3:11:47] Voice 1: it. And we're hoping to have more and more public talks as well about the local history, because

[3:11:51] Voice 1: the more people that find it interesting, the more people there will be who have a respect for it and

[3:11:56] Voice 1: want to protect it. And I know that there's been this idea that people never lived on Hornby full

[3:12:01] Voice 1: time before the settlers moved and lived there full time. But if people can live there full time

[3:12:06] Voice 1: now, people could have lived there full time in the past, or at least seasonally, which is like

[3:12:11] Voice 1: for six months of the year. And we have some pretty big sites. The biggest ones on Hornby

[3:12:16] Voice 1: are obviously Shingle Spit, Tribune Bay, Big Trib and Little Trib, and Helly Well Park, as well as

[3:12:28] Voice 1: Sandpiper. So there's at least five big sites, and then there's also small sites that we've

[3:12:33] Voice 1: identified all around the island as well. So there's lots of cool stuff we could learn,

[3:12:38] Voice 1: but there's been very little archaeology that's happened. So, any new archaeology that happens,

[3:12:44] Voice 1: we'll have more and more information that we'll be able to share publicly with the wider community.

[3:12:51] Voice 16: This

[3:12:51] Voice 4: is such a segue, but now I recognize your last name. Your lovely son sent a word for me.

[3:12:57] Voice 1: Brother, yeah.

[3:12:58] Voice 4: Brother, okay, brother, okay. Whoops, sorry.

[3:13:00] Voice 4: No worries,

[3:13:01] Voice 1: I'm not that old.

[3:13:03] Voice 4: No, I got my son's name. I can't see your copy, it's a small box. Yeah, no, love your brother.

[3:13:11] Voice 8: great well thank you so much for the presentation and uh and uh hope it continues to to improve in

[3:13:20] Voice 8: terms of the preservation of the of the remains and the sites and and the broadening of the public

[3:13:28] Voice 8: awareness and information so great

[3:13:30] Voice 1: thank you yeah and i'm always happy to answer questions and

[3:13:33] Voice 1: everything like that and even individual questions about properties like that's a lot of my job is

[3:13:38] Voice 1: just that information sharing so the more we can get it out there that people just know and talk

[3:13:43] Voice 1: about it the better it's going to be for everyone so thank you for having me thank

[3:13:47] Voice 8: you thanks so

[3:13:49] Voice 8: much okay so i believe we were at 8.4 which is in the addendum and that's the co-op application

[3:14:06] Voice 8: and in the addendum we have a staff report and i'll turn it over to planner cops

[3:14:16] Voice 7: it's in the addendum this

[3:14:22] Voice 8: is do

[3:14:23] Voice 17: you guys want to take

[3:14:24] Voice 8: do you guys want to take a minute and get

[3:14:27] Voice 8: get yourselves set up with the dinner why don't we let's call a recess to three o'clock

[3:14:34] Voice 8: i need to eat my sandwich and then that should give you guys time to to get it

[3:14:38] Voice 8: where is it uh it's it's in the web web app yeah okay so let's reset the three because yeah you

[3:14:48] Voice 8: want

[3:14:49] Voice 3: to look at it

[3:14:49] Voice 3: don't go to the center directly or can you get it

[3:14:54] Voice 5: i'm just getting i'm

[3:14:56] Voice 5: not sure i

[3:15:10] Voice 5: I can't pronounce how loud this Italian is.

[3:15:20] Voice 5: She's going to be sending you up.

[3:15:26] Voice 5: She's the daughter of one of our daughters.

[3:27:03] Voice 17: okay three

[3:27:05] Voice 8: o'clock there's not enough okay so we are back from recess and we have an application

[3:27:19] Voice 8: um starting on page two of the addendum for the hornbill and cooperative association

[3:27:28] Voice 8: and uh before i look to staff i'm gonna go to trustee allen for a moment

[3:27:35] Voice 8: um

[3:27:37] Voice 4: i'm going to refuse myself as an employee manager of the gas part just because it might

[3:27:42] Voice 4: be construed as some engineering advantage so i'll be in my car behind you okay

[3:27:51] Voice 8: we'll come get

[3:27:52] Voice 8: you okay i'll make that motion okay well uh first let's hear from planner cox and then we'll

[3:28:01] Voice 8: consider motion go ahead sir

[3:28:03] Voice 17: okay thanks yeah

[3:28:04] Voice 3: so this is for the redevelopment of the

[3:28:08] Voice 3: um i mean i know this is partly for the benefit of the public you know

[3:28:14] Voice 3: well here with this um you've got two recommendations to remove all the permits um this

[3:28:22] Voice 3: basically is to allow the construction of the new building store while the other one remains

[3:28:29] Voice 3: in operation and then in the second phase the most the old building but that requires the new

[3:28:35] Voice 3: building to be sighted closer to the lot lines than what the bylaw allows in one case zero up

[3:28:41] to zero meters from the law line on the east like by the loading

[3:28:45] Voice 3: bay area and on the southern

[3:28:47] Voice 3: portion abiding the campground property up to 1.26 so um the well i mentioned it's in two phases

[3:28:57] Voice 3: is um folks who are involved here obviously um um with you or with us so perhaps part of that

[3:29:06] Voice 3: the one that's got tory also since the um construction is also on the line so

[3:29:14] the trustee of more after staff finishes the

[3:29:19] Voice 3: one um it does you know all the uses on the lot

[3:29:22] Voice 3: alignment zoning bylaw as it is and at the moment uh change is planned to the wing side market

[3:29:30] it, except that's not completely true. We know that I'm speaking to a couple of tenants

[3:29:35] there anyway,

[3:29:36] Voice 3: that there's some plan changes, but these permits are only considering the

[3:29:41] Voice 3: main building and the landscaping in front of it and around it. Okay. So the main concern

[3:29:51] Voice 3: that we've heard through this process and that Scott has been, we've been lazing with

[3:29:58] Voice 3: Scott and BC Parks over this.

[3:30:00] is their concern for impacts to camp campers

[3:30:02] Voice 3: that's like lighting anything on the back of

[3:30:05] the building the current easement for access there like you know to and from the co-op property to

[3:30:11] the campground and so forth the height of the new building but um on this trust staff understand

[3:30:17] that you know they've been working

[3:30:19] Voice 3: on the co-op team working with the consultants to address

[3:30:23] Voice 3: those concerns and what else to say so there's a there's a variance permit the EDP for those

[3:30:31] two lot line setbacks so there's a development purpose because the whole property is within

[3:30:37] the commercial centers DPA so basically the forming character so the materials that are

[3:30:43] used on the building the

[3:30:45] Voice 3: landscaping requirements and all that the how it meets the guidelines or

[3:30:50] Voice 3: how staff feel it does is included there is an attachment itemized with each guideline for the

[3:30:57] Voice 3: dp and i think maybe we'll leave it at that the applicant has also provided an emp an environmental

[3:31:04] Voice 3: management plan um although it's not required by the dpa uh to deal with um erosion sediment

[3:31:12] Voice 3: control um you know and that sort of thing during the during the construction with the requirement

[3:31:19] Voice 3: for an on-site monitor that was provided by current environmental and they would provide the

[3:31:25] Voice 3: monitoring during construction there's a little strip of the riparian dpa on the west side of the

[3:31:32] lot like along central road

[3:31:35] Voice 3: for st john's no it's central i guess there um but uh their attempt from

[3:31:42] Voice 3: that uh permit part of the section that's quoted in the report which is basically that

[3:31:51] it's not fish bearing in that way and it's also x distance from it so i think i'll leave it at that

[3:31:58] the ltc could request more information or um

[3:32:01] Voice 3: denying those two alternatives i will mention

[3:32:05] Voice 3: a lot of the last thing i should mention um and this isn't considered in the variance here

[3:32:11] Voice 3: the height of the building right now is sort of um is not totally finalized um so

[3:32:17] Voice 3: So there's a possibility, I guess, that the applicant could come back to you and say,

[3:32:22] we need a variance to our height as well.

[3:32:26] It would be mostly, as we understand it, related to the

[3:32:30] Voice 3: mechanical on top of the building.

[3:32:31] Voice 3: So that's like the parapet hiding the HVAC and other stuff.

[3:32:35] Voice 3: But that's not finalized yet.

[3:32:37] Voice 3: So you're only considering, in this variance permit, you're only considering the horizontal

[3:32:42] Voice 3: setbacks to the log lines.

[3:32:45] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:32:45] Voice 3: Trustee Scott?

[3:32:47] Voice 5: Is there any alternative for them in this?

[3:32:51] Voice 5: It doesn't seem to me like there is.

[3:32:53] Voice 5: If they're going to be able to do this, they're going to need this.

[3:32:57] There is.

[3:33:00] Voice 3: So, Chair, that's the request by the co-op is that, you know,

[3:33:06] Voice 3: that's the rationale for this is in order to not have interruptions to the store service.

[3:33:13] Voice 3: So there's

[3:33:14] Voice 5: no alternative.

[3:33:16] Voice 5: Well,

[3:33:17] Voice 3: I would let the consultant, Scott, who's online, speak to that, Mr. Tory.

[3:33:24] Voice 3: But the understanding that I'm stressed out is that this is a solution that allows the current store to remain open,

[3:33:33] the new store to be built, and then demolition.

[3:33:36] But

[3:33:36] Voice 3: there's no, like, the new store can't be closer to the old building.

[3:33:43] Voice 3: like that's the minimum separation between the two in order to accomplish the whole project

[3:33:49] Voice 3: right so um if they had to comply with setbacks it wouldn't be possible because they would have

[3:33:56] Voice 3: to be too close together essentially but i would yeah the uh consultant should speak

[3:34:01] Voice 5: to that yes

[3:34:02] Voice 5: um and

[3:34:05] Voice 8: yeah so the next part would be to uh uh turn it over and see if there's anything um

[3:34:11] Voice 8: uh consultant uh would like to add uh to what we heard from staff and then we have a question from

[3:34:17] Voice 8: jesse scott no

[3:34:18] Voice 11: problem yeah uh good afternoon everyone uh i'm scott torrey with afc construction

[3:34:24] Voice 11: uh project manager uh also joined here with emily from lucky studios who's the prime consultant

[3:34:29] Voice 11: and yes just to answer your question uh we did look at you know various options um to your point

[3:34:36] Voice 11: there really isn't a lot of options. The biggest consideration as Ian's mentioned is the biggest

[3:34:42] Voice 11: priority was to keep the store open for to remain in service for the residents of Hornby Island.

[3:34:50] Voice 11: Together with that positioning the building where we have shown it on the drawing also allows the

[3:34:56] Voice 11: ringside merchants in that whole area to remain unaffected through the construction period.

[3:35:03] Voice 11: also recognizing you know how important that hub is to the community a place of social gathering

[3:35:10] Voice 11: and then further to that the one another large opportunity gained by positioning the building

[3:35:18] Voice 11: in the back of the property once the new building once the old existing building is

[3:35:23] Voice 11: demolished it allows us to develop a green space in front of the building that further expands

[3:35:31] Voice 11: The social gathering place also, you know, just deters vehicles from the front of the building with the elevations that have been developed.

[3:35:44] Voice 11: It allows a very flat area to enter from the building with accessible parking right in front of the building.

[3:35:55] Voice 11: no sorry go ahead mr scott so

[3:35:59] Voice 5: the short answer if i'm hearing you correctly is to keep the store

[3:36:04] Voice 5: open which we absolutely need on the island here there is no other option than to have this variance

[3:36:11] Voice 5: is that so that is correct okay that's all i need yeah

[3:36:17] Voice 8: just a couple of questions from my end

[3:36:21] Voice 8: uh especially based on the presentation we just heard uh let's be interested um if you've been

[3:36:28] Voice 8: in contact with the comox first nation over this project um they have their cultural heritage

[3:36:36] Voice 8: investigative uh investigation permit process that we just heard about um and i know in the

[3:36:44] Voice 8: presentation that we heard that area is uh considered to be um uh in the sort of likely

[3:36:53] Voice 8: archaeological area emily

[3:37:00] Voice 11: do you do you speak to that one or i don't i think we've had the chance

[3:37:04] Voice 11: fine protocols been sent to us um we're aware of them and have done lots of work on the island but

[3:37:10] Voice 11: um my understanding is this area is not affected but we would obviously be well aware of you know

[3:37:16] Voice 11: chance find protocol and and you know careful um as we proceed through any excavation process

[3:37:24] Voice 11: you know as we begin the project okay

[3:37:32] Voice 8: um another thing as i know is noticing just in terms of the

[3:37:38] Voice 8: bc parks concerns um it's sort of outlined briefly in the in the staff report here but um could you

[3:37:49] Voice 8: since we haven't heard directly from bc parks um can you kind of tell us where you're at with

[3:37:56] Voice 8: conversations bc parks so does it seem like you're going to be able to mitigate their concerns

[3:38:01] Voice 8: reasonably well yeah

[3:38:03] Voice 11: no problem yeah yeah i personally had quite a few conversations um

[3:38:08] Voice 11: and dialogue back and forth with eric moore from bc parks um which i've shared with ian

[3:38:15] Voice 11: throughout my conversations we've had you know a number of we had a list of items that were

[3:38:21] Voice 11: forwarded to us that they're asking how we could address and sort of figure out how to make the

[3:38:28] Voice 11: interface between the properties you know function in the best way possible so we've addressed

[3:38:34] Voice 11: I believe we've satisfied you know we've answered all the all their concerns we've reached out a

[3:38:41] Voice 11: number of times to say you know do you have any more concerns and really haven't you know had

[3:38:46] Voice 11: anything back from bc parks recently um alan and jake alan fletcher and jake berman have met with

[3:38:54] Voice 11: uh derrick moore in september to to address very final what appear to be really final details on

[3:39:03] Voice 11: like access to and from the campsite to the co-op so you know we've reached out um subsequently to

[3:39:11] Voice 11: of that just to see do you have any more comments or any more concerns and really haven't heard

[3:39:15] Voice 11: anything back from them so you know my my feeling um well even speak i wasn't at the meeting with

[3:39:21] Voice 11: with uh derrick moore um the face-to-face meeting that happened in september but alan was there and

[3:39:27] Voice 11: there was really no concerns at all they were all very minor items that we would need to work

[3:39:33] Voice 11: through in throughout the process and uh really haven't had any any recent concerns at all and

[3:39:40] Voice 11: my understanding is we've satisfied them with our intentions uh with their comments okay thank you

[3:39:48] Voice 11: for

[3:39:49] Voice 8: that sorry are one of you representing the application uh

[3:39:53] Voice 18: we're both on the building

[3:39:54] Voice 18: committee of the co-op oh

[3:39:55] Voice 8: you're okay did you have anything to add or no oh no i think scott's really

[3:40:01] Voice 8: covered it fair enough

[3:40:01] Voice 8: i thought i saw a finger pointing your way trustee scott i'm willing to

[3:40:06] Voice 5: make a motion can you shoot it up there i

[3:40:09] Voice 8: i can't um see where is it here uh yes planner cops

[3:40:17] Voice 8: apologies i just at

[3:40:20] Voice 3: the end of my um spiel i didn't forget i wanted to mention for the record

[3:40:25] Voice 3: that you did receive uh one comment prior to the number so we haven't received anything in

[3:40:30] Voice 3: response to the notice that we know my knowledge but prior to that we did receive that one

[3:40:36] Voice 3: any community comment so i want to make sure that you that you did receive that which was sent from

[3:40:41] Voice 3: us to the ltc okay okay yeah okay

[3:40:46] Voice 5: um

[3:40:48] Voice 8: and of course uh i would just encourage you guys to consider

[3:40:54] Voice 8: uh the uh the cultural heritage investigation permit i don't think we're in a position where

[3:40:59] Voice 8: we can require it but uh just it seems like a good idea from my end of things and at that

[3:41:06] Voice 8: i'll leaving it that i'll uh

[3:41:07] Voice 5: i think just i'll

[3:41:08] Voice 8: i'll go to trustee scott for the

[3:41:11] Voice 5: motion well i

[3:41:12] Voice 5: think we can just make sure that you guys understand you should do that yeah yeah no

[3:41:18] Voice 11: problem we've you know we've we deal with rains quite often and yeah we'll we'll get in touch

[3:41:23] Voice 11: with them just to just to make sure okay

[3:41:28] Voice 5: uh i'll make the motion that the orange trust can be

[3:41:31] Voice 5: approves the issuance of the development variance permit p l e p 2 0 2 4 0 1 5 5.

[3:41:42] Voice 8: so moved i'll second that any further discussion

[3:41:47] Voice 8: not saying it i'll call the question all those in favor motion carries and that the

[3:41:52] Voice 5: So, accordingly, I will trust committee approve issuance of the government permit PLDP20240156.

[3:42:03] Voice 8: Move, then I'll second that.

[3:42:05] Voice 8: And any further discussion?

[3:42:08] Voice 8: I'll call the question.

[3:42:09] Voice 8: All those in favor?

[3:42:11] Voice 8: Motion carries.

[3:42:14] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:42:15] Voice 8: And then I guess we should send someone out to go find Alex.

[3:42:21] Voice 8: Oh, that's all right.

[3:42:22] Voice 8: We can front or back.

[3:42:23] Voice 8: any idea oh uh

[3:42:24] Voice 8: i think he's on the back i think he's on that end did

[3:42:27] Voice 5: you wake up for him did you

[3:42:31] Voice 5: hear it pardon no the snoozer over there you were going bye-bye

[3:42:36] Voice 9: no no i was just just resting just

[3:42:39] Voice 9: supporting my you know heavy hand hopefully i'm watching you so i'm trying to relax at one point

[3:42:51] Voice 17: okay

[3:42:52] Voice 8: so our next uh item here is the phase four community agent options policy statement

[3:43:00] Voice 8: amendment project staff report starting on page 684 and i'm pretty sure we've got

[3:43:08] Voice 8: policy advisor uh jason yeomans with us today take

[3:43:14] Voice 5: care you guys thanks for hanging around

[3:43:16] Voice 5: Thanks for not snoring.

[3:43:21] Voice 8: All right.

[3:43:22] Voice 8: Trustee Allen has rejoined us.

[3:43:25] Voice 7: It's

[3:43:26] Voice 8: freezing out there.

[3:43:27] Voice 8: It is kind of cool out there, yeah.

[3:43:32] Voice 8: So, Mr. Yeomans, do you want to take us off here?

[3:43:35] Voice 8: We're on the policy stage.

[3:43:38] Voice 8: They're on page

[3:43:40] Voice 7: 684.

[3:43:46] Voice 17: Go

[3:43:57] Voice 13: ahead, Mr. Yeomans.

[3:43:58] Voice 13: All right.

[3:43:59] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[3:44:00] Voice 13: Anderson. How's my audio? Can you hear me clearly?

[3:44:02] Voice 8: Yes, thank you.

[3:44:04] Voice 13: Lovely. So thanks,

[3:44:06] Voice 13: trustees, for the opportunity to be here with you this afternoon. Coming to you today as an

[3:44:10] Voice 13: emissary on behalf of Trust Area Services concerning the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[3:44:15] Voice 13: Amendment Project. The current project charter for the project indicates that there is to be

[3:44:22] Voice 13: a modest amount of on-island engagement in the near future. Primarily, the purpose of this

[3:44:27] Voice 13: engagement is to help inform local trust committee responses when you receive the draft policy

[3:44:32] Voice 13: statement on referral from trust council in the next few months and so the question that is really

[3:44:37] Voice 13: being asked of you today is uh what sort of information do you need from your local constituents

[3:44:42] Voice 13: in order to inform your referral response to trust council when you are uh referred the policy

[3:44:48] Voice 13: statement which we anticipate should happen in um well according to the project charter february or

[3:44:55] Voice 13: march of um of the coming year um there is a table that starts on page two of my staff report

[3:45:02] Voice 13: lays out some of the potential on-island engagement options that uh local trust committees might want

[3:45:08] Voice 13: to consider ranges from none at all i mean if you're confident that you can adequately represent

[3:45:12] Voice 13: the views of your constituents back to trust council then you don't need to undertake any

[3:45:16] Voice 13: on-island engagement and then at the other end of that spectrum is some trust area services staff

[3:45:21] Voice 13: can show up on island and either sort of hold an information type meeting, gather in feedback that

[3:45:28] Voice 13: way, or perhaps set up a informational booth at a high traffic location in town. There's a number

[3:45:33] Voice 13: of different options laid out in that table. And that table may also not be comprehensive,

[3:45:38] Voice 13: and you may have your own ideas about what sort of local engagement you would like to see as part

[3:45:42] Voice 13: of the project. I do just want to add that regardless of what you choose as an on island

[3:45:47] Voice 13: engagement option, your constituents will have the opportunity to feed information back to Trust

[3:45:53] Voice 13: Council directly anyways, most likely in the form of a survey, and we'll put out appropriate

[3:45:59] Voice 13: communications materials around that so that everybody in the Islands Trust area knows how

[3:46:03] Voice 13: to participate in that when the time is right. With that, I mean, we have no particular

[3:46:08] Voice 13: recommendation in this matter. It's really for you to decide what you think your community needs.

[3:46:14] Voice 13: And so I'll turn it over to you. Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[3:46:18] Voice 8: Thank you, Mr. Yeomans.

[3:46:20] Voice 8: So, yeah, there's a number of options listed in the table.

[3:46:23] Voice 8: And, of course, as mentioned, if there's a different option that's more appropriate for Hornby, by all means, we entertain that too.

[3:46:33] Voice 8: we i'll just mention on the skidi we decided that um we were going to do a a bit of uh

[3:46:42] Voice 8: uh sort of two or three and then uh maybe do a trustee run little pop-up info booth

[3:46:51] Voice 8: um rather than dragging the staff out and you know incurring those expenses so thoughts

[3:46:58] Voice 8: well i thought

[3:47:01] Voice 4: like at first i thought the minimal one number one and then i'm choosing

[3:47:07] Voice 4: but then i read the letter from the bowen island municipality this morning regarding holding off

[3:47:13] Voice 4: i don't know if you want basically they're they're commenting on the phase four comment

[3:47:17] Voice 4: community engagement that um i guess what happened in terms of the children

[3:47:26] Voice 4: Do I read this out? Do you have it?

[3:47:29] Voice 5: Bowen Island Municipality.

[3:47:30] Voice 4: Yeah, so they had issues with even seeing any kind of endangerment at this point

[3:47:37] Voice 4: because they felt like we need to answer some questions.

[3:47:45] Voice 4: Advise the province of the conclusion that without systemic change,

[3:47:49] Voice 4: the Addams Trust cannot meet the challenge of all this time.

[3:47:52] Voice 4: That's from the Trust Council's letter of October 16th.

[3:47:55] Voice 4: um because trust councils requested the province to review the governance model of the trust the

[3:48:01] Voice 4: object mandate decision-making structures with trip up etc etc whereas it's a formal

[3:48:10] Voice 4: legal public strategic plan for the 2020-26 term and it's not momentarily engaged with

[3:48:15] Voice 4: so they are not supporting any direction of resources to engage at this point until

[3:48:22] Voice 4: until these issues are resolved so that kind of made me remember I just read it this morning of

[3:48:28] Voice 4: course but it sort of made me think about that why they're going that route and um I kind of

[3:48:35] Voice 4: understand it so I'm not sure so I've I don't know where we're at but um I'd like to hear what my

[3:48:40] Voice 4: on co-trustee matt scott has to

[3:48:45] Voice 5: say let's just go well i would favor option two during a local

[3:48:53] Voice 5: trust committee meeting and if there's time allocated for the bowen island municipal

[3:49:00] Voice 5: presenter to come on by zoom to come and i think um to get information on this and answer questions

[3:49:11] Voice 5: if we can inform the public of it's on the agenda and uh if there seems to be a huge amount of

[3:49:20] Voice 5: concern which i kind of doubt there will be we're going to be part of this trust council

[3:49:27] Voice 5: for this stage just

[3:49:32] Voice 4: to be clear that why lpt slash bim is there because they're just including

[3:49:36] Voice 4: going out of municipality as opposed to another so they're not coming to our media or being part

[3:49:41] Voice 4: part of it it's just their municipality where the trustees themselves presented in our packages

[3:49:48] Voice 4: but i did in fact highlight number two i thought that was the one

[3:49:53] Voice 4: what is what is

[3:49:57] Voice 5: ltc slash bim

[3:49:59] Voice 8: it's just it just means local trust committee or bowen island

[3:50:03] Voice 8: municipality it's just that you'll see that a lot of the time so that we're not leaving bowen out

[3:50:11] Voice 5: But they're not an LTC.

[3:50:14] Voice 13: Yeah, this is a generic staff report that staff created that was circulated to all of the local trust committees and Bowen Island municipality, in addition to the local trust committees.

[3:50:24] Voice 13: And so we've included both in all of the options.

[3:50:27] Voice 13: It's not necessarily that you're all going to come together, but rather just that we needed to make sure that Bowen Island also understood that this staff report was for them.

[3:50:38] Voice 4: How many did I ask you to share?

[3:50:40] Voice 4: i don't know how many meetings you've had with other uh islands with are you able to share any

[3:50:47] Voice 4: something that's been passed in terms of what's the other coaches in terms of violence our size

[3:50:50] Voice 4: yeah so

[3:50:53] Voice 8: the only ltc i've seen this at so far is the skatey um so i don't have a lot of useful

[3:51:00] Voice 8: information i'm not sure if um if mr yeomans has can fill that out anymore um i know what the other

[3:51:08] Voice 8: two LGCs that I'm sure of. We haven't

[3:51:11] Voice 8: considered this yet.

[3:51:15] Voice 13: No, you guys are going to be on the cutting edge

[3:51:17] Voice 13: here. I believe that.

[3:51:19] Voice 13: I know, indeed.

[3:51:21] Voice 13: Right after Laskini.

[3:51:23] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:51:28] Voice 5: Well, I guess.

[3:51:35] Voice 5: I just don't

[3:51:37] Voice 5: feel I'm knowing up about this right now.

[3:51:40] Voice 5: to make a decision one way or the other i want to see what comes out because this is going to come

[3:51:46] Voice 5: out of the trust council so well

[3:51:51] Voice 6: yeah i'd like

[3:51:52] Voice 5: to see what it is so now we'll be able to decide

[3:51:55] Voice 5: better how we can use it trying to make that decision that's getting the car

[3:51:59] Voice 5: well i

[3:52:02] Voice 8: the way i look at it is that um this is uh this is not that you know this is

[3:52:09] Voice 8: the fourth time that local community has been engaged as part of this project over the last

[3:52:15] Voice 8: couple years um i think it's really just an i'd like so staff know when they're trying to set the

[3:52:23] Voice 8: budgeting for this do you think that this requires like a staff-led community information meeting

[3:52:30] Voice 8: that's not part of a local trust committee meeting can we do it as part of a local trust

[3:52:34] Voice 8: committee meeting do you want um staff to come out and put up an info booth or have them be on

[3:52:41] Voice 8: the ferries like what level do you think engagement with the hornby community on the policy statement

[3:52:47] Voice 8: should be at that's kind of what we're being asked i

[3:52:50] Voice 5: don't think hornby's going to be it's

[3:52:54] Voice 5: not going to be a barnburn issue policy stuff there's only so many nut bars on this planet

[3:53:02] Voice 5: I'm interested to see stuff. So I don't think it's going to happen. So I don't think spending

[3:53:07] Voice 5: a lot of time or a lot of money for people to do it. So I just, I just stick with it too.

[3:53:16] Voice 5: That's the hour?

[3:53:17] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm okay with that. I mean, I might do a little bit of my own.

[3:53:21] Voice 4: Maybe we could have a little booth, you and I, you know, we don't have that's not gonna cost

[3:53:27] Voice 4: anything. You and I can decide that on our own separately. But otherwise, yeah, number two.

[3:53:34] Voice 5: I don't see

[3:53:35] Voice 4: much appetite for some huge engagement.

[3:53:38] Voice 4: Let's

[3:53:38] Voice 8: just go with two then.

[3:53:40] Voice 8: Would we like to make a motion?

[3:53:42] Voice 8: Sure.

[3:53:44] Voice 5: The trust committee select option two for phase four community engagement with a new draft of trust policy statement.

[3:53:56] Voice 8: Moved.

[3:53:57] Voice 8: Seconded by Trustee Allen.

[3:53:59] Voice 8: Any further discussion?

[3:54:01] Voice 8: Not seeing any.

[3:54:02] Voice 8: I'll call the question.

[3:54:04] Voice 8: All those in favor?

[3:54:05] Voice 8: And motion carries.

[3:54:08] Voice 8: Thank you, Mr. Yeomans.

[3:54:10] Voice 13: Thank you, gentlemen.

[3:54:11] Voice 13: That's very helpful.

[3:54:12] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:54:12] Voice 8: All right.

[3:54:13] Voice 8: Have a great afternoon.

[3:54:14] Voice 13: You too.

[3:54:15] Voice 13: Bye-bye.

[3:54:18] Voice 17: Okay.

[3:54:23] Voice 8: So next we have at 12.3, we have the Trust Conservancy Report, highlights of the October

[3:54:32] Voice 8: of our first uh servancy board meeting that's there for our information as well as the

[3:54:42] Voice 8: fall edition of the erin and 12.5 we have the applications report

[3:54:51] Voice 8: uh anything from staff on the applications report at this time

[3:54:57] Voice 8: No? Okay, any questions or stuff on the applications report?

[3:55:05] Voice 8: No? Okay. Oh,

[3:55:06] Voice 8: yeah, sorry. Oh, yeah, go ahead.

[3:55:09] Voice 4: I mean, there's some that, there was a few that

[3:55:11] Voice 4: don't have descriptions. I guess there was one PLS-UP-20-24-0160. It's on page 696.

[3:55:29] Voice 4: I didn't see what it is. Angus Haman. This is the way you're supposed to add every descriptions

[3:55:38] Voice 4: for every particular application or not. But I was just curious. So this particular one

[3:55:43] Voice 4: was good.

[3:55:45] Voice 4: Thanks.

[3:55:48] Voice 5: Yeah.

[3:55:51] Voice 5: Corpus Crescent.

[3:55:54] Voice 3: Oh, amen there.

[3:55:58] Voice 3: So that's a site in use permit and so we don't notice okay this format of this report again

[3:56:08] Voice 3: is not finalized this is coming out of the new CityView software that's being used you'll

[3:56:14] Voice 3: notice some of the descriptions are also cut off like they're not full descriptions they're

[3:56:18] Voice 3: cut off part way through which we've notified information of the IT department about and

[3:56:25] Voice 3: they're trying to go with that and

[3:56:26] Voice 17: find

[3:56:27] Voice 3: a way to make this format better but the new the new

[3:56:32] Voice 3: application names are all plsup or pldp or dpl dbp whatever that's just the way that that software

[3:56:44] Voice 3: there's no there's no way to really change that so that means pl means planning

[3:56:51] Voice 3: there will eventually probably be bylaw enforcement so blah blah blah whatever it is so it is

[3:56:58] Voice 3: admittedly confusing at first we've also been you know trying to I

[3:57:03] Voice 4: do like the naming convention

[3:57:04] Voice 3: but I

[3:57:05] Voice 4: like the way where it's going because it seems it's far more user-friendly just

[3:57:10] Voice 4: as it is right now from the previous production so yeah yeah

[3:57:13] Voice 3: so but the descriptions of that

[3:57:15] Voice 3: that will eventually be, you know, complete.

[3:57:20] Voice 3: Yeah, I'm done.

[3:57:20] Voice 3: Okay, thanks.

[3:57:22] Voice 8: Okay, anything else on the applications report?

[3:57:26] Voice 8: Yeah, we'll move on.

[3:57:27] Voice 8: We've got the trustee and local expense report

[3:57:30] Voice 8: related dated July.

[3:57:34] Voice 8: We've got the adopted policies and standing resolutions

[3:57:37] Voice 8: on 690-8.

[3:57:40] Voice 8: Anything there?

[3:57:41] Voice 8: No.

[3:57:44] Voice 8: Local trust committee webpage.

[3:57:46] Voice 8: And that brings us to the work program

[3:57:48] Voice 8: starting on page 703 and i'll look to staff and see if there's anything you'd like to

[3:57:56] Voice 8: uh tell us about any of this stuff no questions okay and so trustees any questions for staff on

[3:58:06] Voice 8: the work program no questions

[3:58:13] Voice 5: oh

[3:58:16] Voice 3: i should actually mention that the uh your heritage

[3:58:20] Voice 3: register has been accepted by the province it's going to be posted there and it's on now up and

[3:58:26] Voice 3: on the horn the ltc webpage so that's something that you can as you see fit add to over the years

[3:58:34] or you know if you get requests from communities perhaps that's adopted and maybe also in the

[3:58:40] canadian register and it's that going forward with your major project you know in whatever

[3:58:47] Voice 3: discussions a lot of the um relationship building with combats and that too there is a possibility

[3:58:53] Voice 3: we think to to use that as a tool for heritage preservation for indigenous sites too so more

[3:58:59] Voice 3: on that to come right thank you

[3:59:02] Voice 8: for that information good to know um all right anything

[3:59:08] Voice 8: on the future projects report okay so uh i have advice from staff that the um next meeting of the

[3:59:19] Voice 8: of Hornby Island Local Trust Committee is proposed

[3:59:20] Voice 8: to be Friday, January the 24th, right here.

[3:59:25] Voice 8: And we will be getting the rest of the proposed dates

[3:59:30] Voice 8: at some point between now and then.

[3:59:34] Voice 8: So I believe the suggestion was that we want to adopt

[3:59:41] Voice 8: that date, then we can either adopt other dates

[3:59:44] Voice 8: by RWM or at that meeting.

[3:59:48] Voice 4: I know it's always been Friday for me

[3:59:51] Voice 4: and I really appreciate that

[3:59:52] Voice 4: but if there's issues with Fridays

[3:59:55] Voice 4: I might be able to do Monday or something

[3:59:57] Voice 4: but not during the week

[4:00:00] Voice 4: there's people are fine about Friday that's great because it sort of was not you know in terms of

[4:00:08] Voice 4: also you know meetings that are late then at least we have a late ferry off the island

[4:00:13] Voice 5: it's the only night otherwise if there's issues I guess we'll explore them when we

[4:00:20] Voice 4: get more dates

[4:00:22] Voice 4: for next year I guess yeah

[4:00:24] Voice 5: I think one thing about meetings I mean they're not here

[4:00:27] Voice 5: have a new room to grow unless it's no room to

[4:00:31] Voice 5: grow his book now forever

[4:00:32] Voice 4: yeah no yeah they've

[4:00:34] Voice 4: got a whole preschool thing going on there oh yeah otherwise it would be everyone else

[4:00:39] Voice 4: would say that's yoga no

[4:00:40] Voice 14: yes

[4:00:41] Voice 8: well it is a big room but then again when there is it's big turnout

[4:00:46] Voice 8: then we've got enough space for everyone yeah and then from my perspective the friday works well

[4:00:54] Voice 8: all for me um that's good you know if i if i got a weather report saying that it was unlikely the

[4:01:01] Voice 8: ferry was going to run today i would have had the option to leave yesterday and if we have a meeting

[4:01:06] Voice 8: on a monday if i don't make it home i don't make it home till thursday so friday is actually a

[4:01:13] Voice 8: pretty good good good time for me and i just also just mentioned this would be the first

[4:01:18] Voice 8: rb ltc that it will not make it home uh in time and that's okay but in two years that's not bad

[4:01:25] Voice 8: if you guys want to make four it doesn't matter if i make four or not

[4:01:30] Voice 5: but uh we'll call

[4:01:32] Voice 8: for adjournment then because i think where our business is done we've helped do

[4:01:35] Voice 8: we need a motion to adopt the next meeting um

[4:01:38] Voice 5: general let's

[4:01:41] Voice 8: just by general consent

[4:01:42] Voice 8: said

[4:01:42] Voice 5: well our next

[4:01:43] Voice 8: meeting will be january 24th right here and we'll adjourn thank you

[4:01:48] Voice 8: you

[4:01:51] Voice 5: guys are out of here

ADOPTED 
 
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November 1, 2024 
 
Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
November 1, 2024 
Hornby Island Community Hall 
Central Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Jason Youmans, Senior Policy Advisor (electronic) 
Renée Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager (electronic) 
 Ian Cox, Planner 2 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately eight (8) members of the public in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 11:33 a.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations and spoke of K‘ómoks First Nation’s history 
on Hornby Island and Islands Trust’s commitment to meaningful reconciliation. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
• Item 12.1 to be heard following Item 7. 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Allen reported the following: 
• Attended Trust Council and noted divisiveness amongst members resulting in 
upcoming discussion on conduct; and 
• Staff capacity issues causing delay in work of the Local Trust Committee. 
Trustee Scott reported the following: 
• Attended Trust Council; 
• Noted staff capacity issues affecting Local Trust Committee projects; and 
• New Chief Administrative Officer has been hired who might be able to address 
reasons for staff shortages. 
 

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Regional Planning Manager Jamurat joined the meeting at 11:43 a.m. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Peterson reported the following: 
• Attended Union of BC Municipalities convention during which trustees and staff met 
with representatives from the Ministry of Municipal Affairs, Ministry of Housing, and 
Ministry of Forests, and participated in sessions on strengthening responsible 
conduct, addressing systemic racism, advancing reconciliation, and mental health 
and wellness for elected leaders; 
• Attended Trust Council and noted level of discourse which is being discussed at 
Executive Committee; 
• Participated in Committee of the Whole meetings to work on draft Policy 
Statement; 
• Attended talk with Doug White III, former Snuneymuxw First Nation Councillor and 
Special Council to Premier of BC; 
• Recently hired CAO, Rueben Bronee, brings many years of experience working in BC 
Provincial Government; and 
• Stated appreciation for Interim CAO Julia Mobbs’ work. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report – none 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
Member of the public stated Hornby Island was not included in the Strathcona Regional District 
Housing Needs Assessment and asked if Islands Trust would be conducting their own 
assessment as directed by the Province.  
The Chair replied as follows: 
• Islands Trust will conduct an assessment as per the provincial mandate; 
• Strathcona Regional District’s letter to the Minister of Housing  was received by 
Executive Committee; and 
• A separate stream of focus for rural coastal communities will be requested. 
5. MINUTES 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated September 13, 2024 - for adoption 
By general consent, the Local Trust committee meeting minutes of September 
13, 2024 were adopted. 
5.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting - none 
5.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated October 11, 2024 - for receipt 
  Received for information. 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
6.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated October 24, 2024 
Received for information.  
7. DELEGATIONS 

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7.1 Hornby Village Centre Working Group regarding the Village Centre on Hornby Island 
Michael McNamara provided a written submission and spoke to the following: 
• Traffic and pedestrian congestion at the four corners intersection has led to safety 
concerns; 
• Working group formed to discuss possible solutions including developing other 
modes of transportation such as a bus system or bike riding; 
• Working group will be exploring partnering with the Comox Valley Regional District 
who can, through the Province, apply for funding from the BC Active Transportation 
and Infrastructure Program; and 
• Delegation is seeking a letter of support from the Local Trust Committee. 
 
Discussion ensued. 
HO-2024-046 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee write a letter of support for the 
Hornby Village Centre Working Group in seeking ways to improve the safety and 
infrastructure at the four corners of the village core.  
CARRIED 
Item 12.1 was discussed prior to Item 8. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 Denman Island Local Trust Area Bylaw No. 250 Referral 
  Trustees had no comments or questions 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee’s interests are unaffected by 
Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No.250. 
CARRIED 
8.2 HO-RZ-2009.2 (Hornby Island Resort Ltd.) Covenant Discharge Request - Memorandum 
The Planner summarized the memorandum and noted the covenant is no longer 
required as the subject properties are now under one real estate entity.  
Trustees inquired if there was ability for the property owner to use the area for 
purposes other than parking once the covenant is released and the Planner clarified the 
area has site-specific zoning which only permits parking per the Hornby Island Land Use 
Bylaw. 
HO-2024-53 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee discharge Restrictive Covenant 
EG107386 registered to the property title by authorizing the Chair of the Hornby 
Island Local Trust Committee as signatory to the Land Title Form C Release. 

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CARRIED 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 1:00 p.m. and reconvened at 1:12 p.m.  
8.3 Rogers Communications Response to Local Trust Committees Referral Comments - 
Memorandum and Proponent Letter and Consultation Package 
The Planner noted that the proponent wished to have further dialogue and the 
opportunity to address concerns of the Local Trust Committee that were outlined in the 
referral response to the Province of BC regarding the Rogers Communications tower 
location on Crown Land. 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees made the following comments: 
• Crown Lands are managed for the benefit of the public to support healthy 
communities; 
• Local Trust Committee is required to preserve and protect island’s rural character; 
• Cell tower site impacts the view corridor; 
• Members of the community indicate they do not want a transmission tower; 
• Tower technology could become obsolete and there should be opportunity to 
provide service through satellites; 
• Percentages of support noted in the consultant’s reply leaves information being 
presented unclear; 
• Petition opposing the tower was received past the date of consultation deadline, 
but remains relevant information that local decision-makers need to take in to 
account; 
• Navigation lights on the tower will affect wildlife habitat and migratory birds; 
• There was community disaffection with the consultation process, the timing, the 
notice, and format of electronic meeting; and 
• Official Community Plan has an advocacy policy that encourages the prohibition of 
communication towers. 
 
Regional Planning Manager Jamurat left the meeting at 1:48 p.m. 
 
Consultant for Rogers Communications made the following comments: 
• Points raised in the Local Trust Committee’s resolutions regarding the referral did 
not align with processes required to consult; 
• Satellite systems present speed and connectivity constraints;  
• Asked if there was a way the application could be amended so it is more acceptable 
to Local Trust Committee and the community.  
• There is a water course further up the slope which could be an environmental issue; 
• Has been unable to come up with a superior alternate location; 
• Local Trust Committee has indicated the site is supported for community housing; 
however, housing and communication tower could be located on the same land; 
• Summary attempted to show 62% of respondents were in support or wanted 
further information; 
• There is not a requirement for an environmental impact assessment to be 
undertaken but proponent is amenable to seeking consultation to address concerns 
about wildlife and migratory birds; 

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• Federal government/Innovation, Science, and Economic Development Canada (ISED)  
indicated concurrence decision comes from the Province and this was intended to 
be a referral to the Local Trust Committee, not a land use concurrence; and 
• Hoping to work towards a mutually acceptable and amicable solution. 
 
Item 11.1 was discussed prior to item 8.4 
 
Senior Policy Advisor Youmans joined the meeting at 2:25 p.m. 
 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 2:48 p.m. and reconvened at 3:00 p.m. 
 
8.4  PLDP20240156 and PLDVP20240155 (Hornby Co-op) - Staff Report 
 
Trustee Allen stated he is employed by the applicant and recused himself from the meeting at 3:01 p.m. 
 
The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• Application seeks setback variance to the lot line to enable construction of new  
Co-Op store behind the existing building; 
• Existing store building will remain open during construction and demolished upon 
completion of new store; 
• Applicant has provided an environmental management plan; 
• Height of building is not yet finalized and there is possibility that the applicant could 
request height variance at a later date as current DVP application considers the 
horizontal lot line only; 
• Location of new building allows existing store to stay open during construction,  
• Demolition of existing building will allow applicant to create large green space in 
front of the new building providing public amenities such as seating and bicycle 
racks; and 
• BC Parks had forwarded a list of concerns that the applicant continues to address. 
 
A Trustee noted the importance of keeping the existing store open during construction. 
 
Chair asked if the construction company had consulted with K’ómoks First Nation 
regarding site location and the proponent noted their understanding was the area is not 
an archeology site but are aware of chance find protocols. 
 
  HO-2024-054 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development 
variance permit PLDVP20240155.  
 
CARRIED 
 
HO-2024-055 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development 
permit PLDP20240156. 
CARRIED 
 
Trustee Allen returned to the meeting at 3:17 p.m. 

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9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 K'ómoks First Nation Presentation on Cultural Heritage Investigation Permits (CHIPs) 
K’ómoks First Nation Archaeologist and Project Coordinator, Raini Bevilacqua, provided 
a presentation and highlighted the following: 
• Cultural Heritage Investigation Permits (CHIPs) are a reconciliation tool;  
• Impacts to K’ómoks First Nation cultural heritage can be managed and mitigated 
through CHIP system; 
• Archaeology sites on public and private land are protected under the Heritage 
Conservation Act; 
• BC Archaeology Branch is responsible for maintaining and distributing archeological 
information, deciding if permits can be issued, and determining if development can 
take place in protected sites; 
• Archaeology Branch requires permits within registered and known site boundary 
and only suggests that locations within fifty metres of a site, or location deemed to 
have high site potential, require a permit; 
• The majority of coastal sites were recorded and mapped by hand, from boats, in the 
1970’s resulting in site boundaries that are often inaccurate and incomplete; 
• Archaeology sites are kept confidential in BC, resulting in a lack of awareness of 
registered sites on properties which creates potential for site destruction; 
• CHIP allows K’ómoks First Nation to make informed decisions about irreversible 
impacts to their cultural heritage; 
• CHIP required before project begins, within areas of high archeology potential or 
registered sites, and within 200 metres of registered archeology sites and major 
waterbodies;  
• CHIP category requirements need to be confirmed prior to development 
commencing; and 
• K’ómoks First Nation works with municipal, provincial, and federal agencies to 
streamline the process from permitting to protection. 
12. STAFF REPORTS 
12.1 Beulah Creek Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 178, 2024 - Staff Report 
The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• Draft bylaw includes housing agreement; 
• Local Trust Committee can proceed from first through third readings and forward 
the bylaw to Executive Committee for approval; 
• Property was zoned for community housing through a Local Trust Committee Land 
Use Bylaw and Official Community Plan review and amendment project over ten 
years ago; 

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• Former property owner is a party to a covenant that runs with the land containing a 
clause stating that once the Local Trust Committee enters into a housing agreement 
the covenant becomes obsolete; 
• The housing agreement replaces the covenant in this regard; and 
• Under new provincial legislation, a public hearing is not required or permitted 
according to staff’s understanding, because the matter is directly related to 
expediting housing options by bylaw. 
 
Trustees had no comments or questions. 
HO-2024-047 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee amend the draft Housing 
Agreement by adding the words “or lessee” after the word “owner” in section 
“F” of the Housing Agreement and Section 219 Covenant. 
CARRIED 
HO-2024-048 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 178 cited as “Hornby 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 178, 2024” be read a first time as 
amended. 
CARRIED 
HO-2024-049 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 178 cited as “Hornby 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 178, 2024” be read a second time as 
amended. 
CARRIED 
HO-2024-050 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 178 cited as “Hornby 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 178, 2024” be read a third time as 
amended. 
CARRIED 
HO-2024-051 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 178 cited as “Hornby 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 178, 2024” be forwarded to the Secretary 
of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee as amended. 
CARRIED 
 
12.2 Phase 4 Community Engagement Options - Policy Statement Amendment Project - 
Staff Report 
The Senior Policy Advisor summarized the staff report, outlined options available to the 
Local Trust Committee regarding community engagement on the Islands Trust draft 
Policy Statement, and noted that members of the community will also have opportunity 
to provide feedback through a survey.  
 
Discussion ensued. 

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HO-2024-056 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee select Engagement Option No. 2 
Town Hall during regular business meeting for Phase 4 Community Engagement 
about the new draft Islands Trust Policy Statement. 
CARRIED 
12.3 Trust Conservancy Report - Highlights of October 1st Trust Conservancy Board Meeting 
Received for information. 
12.4 Trust Conservancy - The Heron - Fall Edition 
  Received for information. 
12.5 Applications Report dated October 24, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.6 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated July, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.7 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received for information, 
12.8 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  No updates at this time. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated October 24, 2024 
  Received for information. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated October 24, 2024 
  Received for information. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting To Be Determined 
By general consent, the next regular meeting of the Hornby Island Local Trust 
committee meeting will be held Friday, January 24, 2025 in-person at the Hornby Island 
Community Hall, Central Road, Hornby Island, BC. 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 3:35 p.m. 
_________________________ 
Tim Peterson, Chair 
Certified Correct: 
_________________________ 
Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder