Islands Trust Council regular meeting, November 8, 2024

[0:00:01] Voice 7: great thank you well welcome everyone to this uh regular meeting of the galliano island

[0:00:08] Voice 7: local trust committee for november 8th 2024. um my name is tim peterson i am elected on the

[0:00:17] Voice 7: skidi island i'm the chair of the galliano ltc and with us today our local trustees ben maverly

[0:00:25] Voice 7: Lisa Gavreau, our planner Tim Stockdale, and online is our meeting administrator Lisa Millard.

[0:00:34] Voice 7: I want to begin our meeting today by acknowledging that we're grateful to be gathering today

[0:00:39] Voice 7: in the territories of Coast Salish peoples and specifically here in the territory of the

[0:00:45] Voice 7: Connecticut Tribe, the keepers of these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:00:52] Voice 7: First Nations Leadership Council released a priorities paper on the United Nations Declaration Act National Action Plan in May of 2023, and I'm going to quote from it here.

[0:01:08] Voice 7: While all First Nations in Canada have been subjected to oppression and colonization, some of the historic expressions of colonization have been distinct in different regions.

[0:01:19] Voice 7: Most fundamental in this regard is that, unlike much of Canada, in British Columbia there are few treaties.

[0:01:26] Voice 7: The pre-Confederation treaties on Vancouver Island, part of Treaty 8, and a handful of modern treaties.

[0:01:33] Voice 7: Given this reality, in British Columbia, a primary focus of First Nation-Crown relations has been, and continues to be,

[0:01:40] Voice 7: completing the unfinished work of structuring proper relations that respect First Nation sovereignty,

[0:01:45] Voice 7: sovereignty, including their governments, laws, jurisdiction, and inherent title and rights.

[0:01:52] Voice 7: This necessarily requires some different actions and approaches than the work that is required in

[0:01:58] Voice 7: other areas of Canada. That's just some context from the First Nations Leadership Council on

[0:02:03] Voice 7: situations here in BC. Land and territory acknowledgements are important today because

[0:02:11] Voice 7: colonialism is not just a historical problem it's an ongoing and present day first nations title

[0:02:17] Voice 7: although recognized in canadian law has yet to significantly shape first nation canadian

[0:02:24] Voice 7: relationships in many areas um encourage you to pursue further education in pre-colonial first

[0:02:31] Voice 7: nations first first nations culture the exploitation of first nations people through

[0:02:37] Voice 7: colonialism and the structured oppression enacted through the indian act and the 500 plus years

[0:02:44] Voice 7: of first nations and indigenous resistance to colonialism that is still very active

[0:02:48] Voice 7: across canada and internationally and so with that i will turn to our agenda today

[0:02:57] Voice 7: um trustees anything to amend the agenda with

[0:03:01] Voice 9: nothing

[0:03:03] Voice 7: okay not seeing any i'll take it by

[0:03:06] Voice 7: general consent to adopt the agenda as presented and uh the next section is trustee reports who'd

[0:03:13] Voice 7: like to go first lisa thank

[0:03:16] Voice 5: you everyone uh november 8th is national indigenous veterans day

[0:03:22] Voice 5: uh day of remembrance and commemoration for the contributions of indigenous veterans to the first

[0:03:28] Voice 5: second world wars and the korean war uh indigenous veterans day on on this day we'd like to express

[0:03:34] Voice 5: our gratitude for the contributions indigenous veterans have made to the world and thank you for

[0:03:42] Voice 5: everything. I'm quite sad to share the news that Murray Sinclair, former senator and judge, has

[0:03:51] Voice 5: passed away, aged 73, after months in the hospital. Murray made

[0:03:56] Voice 5: history in 1988 as Manitoba's first

[0:04:00] Voice 5: Indigenous judge and went on to lead the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, bringing Canada's

[0:04:08] Voice 5: residential school legacy into the light and urging a nation to face it. That's changed that conversation

[0:04:15] Voice 5: in Canada and has inspired so many. Marie Sinclair's legacy of courage and compassion

[0:04:23] Voice 5: will not be forgotten. Rest in the power of Justice Sinclair. The sacred fire has been lit in the

[0:04:29] Voice 5: in the Manitoba legislature.

[0:04:33] Voice 6: In other

[0:04:33] Voice 6: news, the Alex

[0:04:34] Voice 5: Trust has announced

[0:04:35] Voice 5: that Ruben Lebroni, is that right?

[0:04:39] Voice 5: Has been hired as the new CAO of the Alex Trust.

[0:04:42] Voice 5: He comes to position from many years

[0:04:45] Voice 5: of executive experience within the provincial government.

[0:04:49] Voice 5: Most recently, he's the Assistant Deputy Minister

[0:04:52] Voice 5: with the DC Public Services Agency.

[0:04:56] Voice 9: We have been

[0:04:57] Voice 5: fortunate for the past month

[0:05:00] Voice 5: to have our Director of Administrative Services, Julia Hobbs, as Interim CAO.

[0:05:07] Voice 5: She has done an amazing job covering both of those roles for this period.

[0:05:15] Voice 5: It's been a very busy week for me.

[0:05:17] Voice 5: I attended a Governors Community Meeting on Tuesday, I had one session of the Community

[0:05:23] Voice 5: Level Meeting for the Trust Council to discuss the Trust Policy Statement and the project.

[0:05:28] Voice 5: and then last night i had the inaugural meeting for the accessibility committee

[0:05:34] Voice 5: lastly i wanted to highlight that our coming trust council meeting the beginning of december

[0:05:39] Voice 5: and victoria will begin discussions around the 2025-26 budget so it's a good time to begin

[0:05:46] Voice 5: thinking about an honest one with the trustees or the trust council um you could always reach

[0:05:52] Voice 5: me during my office hours which are monday from 9 12.

[0:05:58] Voice 4: thank you trustee gabriella thank you um

[0:06:01] Voice 4: yeah i was going to give a shout out to murray sinclair as well um i think if you look at the

[0:06:07] Voice 4: work that he did with the truth and reconciliation commission and all of the things that advanced

[0:06:13] Voice 4: from that process to today um he's going to be missed it was a big fog in that wheel and

[0:06:20] Voice 4: And so thanks, Lisa, for that.

[0:06:24] Voice 4: I don't really have anything else to report.

[0:06:26] Voice 4: The only thing I will say is I attended over the last couple of weeks

[0:06:30] Voice 4: a couple of little floodings and both certain snatches,

[0:06:35] Voice 4: they were due to clogged drainage.

[0:06:38] Voice 4: And what I would say is it's November.

[0:06:42] Voice 4: It's the wettest month of the year.

[0:06:45] Voice 4: And for anybody who's listening, get the gutters clean

[0:06:48] Voice 4: and make sure that your drainages are clean too.

[0:06:51] Voice 4: there's a lot of leaves have fallen in the last month and uh that was the reason for both of these

[0:06:56] Voice 4: or little floodings that had happened but uh so just for everybody to remember um for this month

[0:07:04] Voice 4: to make me get that stuff done apart from that i'm good thank

[0:07:09] Voice 7: you trustee maverly uh next up is the

[0:07:12] Voice 7: chair's report uh appreciate um both the local trustees uh recognizing uh passing up the very

[0:07:21] Voice 7: so claire um certainly a iconic figure in indigenous canada for sure and canada at large i

[0:07:29] Voice 7: think um let's see so and then trustee gavreau has covered uh the hiring of the new uh chief

[0:07:39] Voice 7: administrative officer um i just would reiterate what an excellent job our director of administrative

[0:07:46] Voice 7: services julian romps has done um covering that position at our own position over the last few

[0:07:51] Voice 7: months and uh mr brony is expected to start work at the end of this month so uh i believe we'll

[0:07:59] Voice 7: see him at december trust council um so we're all looking forward to that uh let's see what else i

[0:08:08] Voice 7: I wanted to mention the Southern Gulf Islands Forum,

[0:08:14] Voice 7: which had been originally convened by MLA Adam Olson.

[0:08:19] Voice 7: We had planned initially to have a November 12th meeting,

[0:08:25] Voice 7: but the new MLA Rob Bottrell,

[0:08:28] Voice 7: who's is gonna be sworn in on that day.

[0:08:32] Voice 7: So we're looking at different dates

[0:08:34] Voice 7: for the new round of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum.

[0:08:38] Voice 7: It's been, I think, very useful for me,

[0:08:44] Voice 7: especially in my role as chair of Salt Spring and Galliano

[0:08:48] Voice 7: local trust committees, to have a way to connect

[0:08:52] Voice 7: with both area trustees in the Southern Gulf Islands

[0:08:56] Voice 7: and the MLA and MP Elizabeth May.

[0:09:00] Voice 7: And we've had some good discussions, I think,

[0:09:02] Voice 7: ranging from uh everything from uh affordable housing marine issues um indigenous uh issues

[0:09:11] Voice 7: reconciliation marine um marine authority and lots of different stuff and i'm looking forward

[0:09:20] Voice 7: to meeting uh mla bottle and and i'm hoping that the the forum going ahead is is as good or maybe

[0:09:29] Voice 7: even better as that exchange of ideas and information across the three jurisdictions

[0:09:37] Voice 7: and that keeps going forward so we'll be looking forward to that either the end of this month or

[0:09:45] Voice 7: in december we haven't the new date hasn't been set yet because of the swearing in

[0:09:51] Voice 7: um yeah i also wanted to mention uh as it was reported in the driftwood the executive committee

[0:09:58] Voice 7: committee decided the October 30th meeting to remove video

[0:10:03] Voice 7: of September press council from the website

[0:10:06] Voice 7: over safe workplace concerns.

[0:10:11] Voice 7: I supported that resolution to remove the recording.

[0:10:14] Voice 7: I think it was the right thing to do.

[0:10:17] Voice 7: However, where executive committee really dropped the ball

[0:10:22] Voice 7: was getting notification to trustees and the public

[0:10:25] Voice 7: about that decision and providing a rationale.

[0:10:29] Voice 7: and uh um for my own part i apologize for for the failure to recognize and make sure that we

[0:10:38] Voice 7: did that um you

[0:10:40] Voice 7: know it's collective like i don't want to take responsibility for my part of that

[0:10:44] Voice 7: um we'll be having discussion about about that decision at december trust council for sure uh

[0:10:51] Voice 7: the

[0:10:51] Voice 9: recording

[0:10:52] Voice 7: of the september trust council meeting

[0:10:58] Voice 7: City. As Trustee Gavreau mentioned, Trust Council will be in Victoria in December, and

[0:11:06] Voice 7: in addition to discussing that decision of Executive Committee and covering the first

[0:11:12] Voice 7: draft of the 2026 fiscal year budget, there'll be a number of items that were deferred from

[0:11:17] Voice 7: September's meeting, including a strategic planning session and consideration on updating

[0:11:24] Voice 7: updating our code of conduct and so I'll leave that there for now and we'll move on with the

[0:11:32] Voice 7: rest of the agenda um don't believe we have uh our electoral area director is not here to report uh

[0:11:43] Voice 7: anything um for First Nations Court today

[0:11:46] Voice 8: everybody's away and busy fair

[0:11:50] Voice 7: enough we'll all

[0:11:53] Voice 7: All have busy lives.

[0:11:56] Voice 7: Okay, moving on then,

[0:11:57] Voice 7: next is the town hall and questions section.

[0:12:02] Voice 7: It's an opportunity to address the local trust committee

[0:12:05] Voice 7: matters relevant to local trust committee business

[0:12:10] Voice 7: and ideally things, items on the agenda,

[0:12:13] Voice 7: but failing that then at least within our jurisdiction

[0:12:16] Voice 7: is good to remind everyone

[0:12:20] Voice 7: to address the local trust committees,

[0:12:22] Voice 7: not other members of the public or staff and to keep your comments respectful and focus on the

[0:12:30] Voice 7: issues not individual personalities and in the interest of time I will call for show of hands

[0:12:39] Voice 7: and see if we need to limit the time that we allot to speakers today so I see one one two three

[0:12:48] Voice 7: So I think I could be pretty generous around that.

[0:12:52] Voice 7: So unless I see you kind of going past the five-minute mark,

[0:12:56] Voice 7: I'm just going to let folks go.

[0:12:58] Voice 7: I'm going to start over here with Stephen Rebeck.

[0:13:02] Voice 7: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[0:13:06] Voice 4: First of all, could you

[0:13:07] Voice 8: please clarify what that executive decision

[0:13:11] Voice 4: was about

[0:13:12] Voice 8: that you just referred to?

[0:13:14] Voice 7: Pulling the video?

[0:13:16] Voice 7: Oh, pulling the video.

[0:13:18] Voice 7: We pulled it off the website.

[0:13:20] Voice 7: Oh, okay.

[0:13:22] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:13:23] Voice 4: I have two comments to make.

[0:13:27] Voice 4: Firstly, I would support moving forward on the Harris application,

[0:13:34] Voice 4: largely in part due to the

[0:13:36] Voice 2: good and informative staff report that sets out the context,

[0:13:41] Voice 2: the issues, and helps create a

[0:13:44] Voice 4: path towards more affordable housing on the island.

[0:13:49] Voice 4: certainly like to see that move forward as quickly as possible however uh i cannot say

[0:13:57] Voice 4: the same for the staff report on the groundwater sustainability violence the post-public hearing

[0:14:03] Voice 4: report yeah

[0:14:05] Voice 5: we

[0:14:07] Voice 4: are post-public hearing i realize that but i'm not introducing any more information

[0:14:12] Voice 4: information I'm talking about, I would like to talk about the report and what it did not

[0:14:18] Voice 4: include.

[0:14:20] Voice 4: I've seen it.

[0:14:22] Voice 4: The material that appeared in this information package, the material that appeared

[0:14:28] Voice 4: in the community information meeting, and the public hearing report itself, there were

[0:14:34] Voice 4: elements that seemed to have been missed that were not carried forward into the staff report.

[0:14:40] Voice 4: report can i just give you an example i mean i left

[0:14:45] Voice 8: the staff here

[0:14:46] Voice 5: yes we have received your

[0:14:47] Voice 5: letter and that was circulated to the rpm and the director of planning but if you feel as though

[0:14:52] Voice 5: you'd like to submit an administrative uh fairness complaint that would be the best route for this

[0:14:58] Voice 5: rather than explaining it to the ltc because they are personally hearing that's the best way forward

[0:15:04] Voice 4: okay well uh i'm trying to adhere by the rules set out that there's no new information

[0:15:15] Voice 4: i guess what i'm just trying to say is that i hope trustees will go beyond the incomplete and

[0:15:25] Voice 4: misleading staff report that's to the information that was presented during the cia okay

[0:15:34] Voice 7: and i just

[0:15:35] Voice 7: just ask you to not um frame your disappointment in a way that doesn't uh doesn't impugn anyone

[0:15:45] Voice 7: and and so i stopped and uh just one point of clarification if

[0:15:51] Voice 2: there is if somebody has uh

[0:15:54] Voice 2: is dissatisfied with the

[0:15:57] Voice 4: a the process as it unfolded is there there is an administrative

[0:16:03] Voice 4: rate of complaint yeah resolution area correct i'll check with staff later to get that

[0:16:11] Voice 4: thank you

[0:16:14] Voice 7: okay thank you uh next over here i saw a hand in the back i think i'll start that

[0:16:20] Voice 7: nope you're good um and then in the

[0:16:25] Voice 10: front here yeah go

[0:16:28] Voice 2: ahead okay uh thank you very much

[0:16:30] Voice 2: uh through the chair uh by way of introduction my name is robin springer um beside me is my wife

[0:16:37] Voice 2: ruth and i'd like to make comments on the harris staff report um we have been residents uh on

[0:16:46] Voice 2: galliano for 15 years our property is adjacent to the film school property um we're referred to as

[0:16:55] Voice 2: block one was actually one block intervening between ourselves and the film school so i'm

[0:17:02] Voice 2: here to make a few comments and i have a few questions the current report clearly acknowledges

[0:17:11] Voice 2: the use at hand right now is illegal the current zoning is c7 commercial private film school all

[0:17:23] Voice 2: All other uses are prohibited.

[0:17:27] Voice 9: There

[0:17:27] Voice 2: is no ambiguity in the language of commercial C7.

[0:17:34] Voice 2: On this matter in front of us,

[0:17:36] Voice 2: I now understand that Harris has taken it upon himself

[0:17:41] Voice 2: to ignore the audience trust in this zoning

[0:17:45] Voice 2: for several years.

[0:17:47] Voice 2: As neighbors, this has become a complete surprise to us,

[0:17:54] Voice 2: even though we know there's activity on the property we're within earshot of the property

[0:18:03] Voice 2: my first set of questions i would like to understand in a future report when did the

[0:18:09] Voice 2: staff become aware of the illegal use that's underway right now i'd like to understand

[0:18:14] Voice 2: that staff had any communication with the capital regional district on the current use of the harris

[0:18:23] Voice 2: property staff understand how many residents are living on the property right now staff

[0:18:34] Voice 2: made a statement in the report we visited the property june of 2023 and october 29 of 2024.

[0:18:43] Voice 2: i would like to understand what the purpose of the visits were presumably the staff prepared

[0:18:49] Voice 2: reports on their observations and are these reports available what did they see what did

[0:18:56] Voice 2: they observed and what was important the previously used film school buildings according to their

[0:19:05] Voice 2: staff reports have now been converted into five housing units each with their own this is clearly

[0:19:13] Voice 2: stated in the report did staff review or examine capital regional district approvals for these

[0:19:20] Voice 2: conversions in other words do we have occupancy permits for these conversions and were these

[0:19:29] Voice 2: conversions approved by the capital regional district otherwise how can staff conclude

[0:19:37] Voice 2: that this is suitable approved housing in place right now referred to as occupants or housing

[0:19:46] Voice 2: units furthermore the applicant's proposal is to resolve the property to allow for use of the total

[0:19:55] Voice 2: density for 12 housing units, that's clearly stated, 12 housing units.

[0:20:02] Voice 2: This would be an increase of 7 units from the current 5.

[0:20:10] Voice 2: Has staff estimated the occupancy density?

[0:20:14] Voice 2: Is this lot size appropriate for such density?

[0:20:18] Voice 2: Are there other imperative lot densities on Galliano?

[0:20:22] Voice 2: It seems to me this would be one of the most dense, dense and populated lots on Galliana.

[0:20:31] Voice 2: I cannot think of another lot of this size with this proposed density.

[0:20:38] Voice 7: I'm just going to interrupt you for a moment just to ask you to wrap it up.

[0:20:43] Voice 7: Soon here, we're over seven minutes now.

[0:20:49] Voice 2: Okay, I will wrap it up. There is errors in the report itself. There is errors in the report.

[0:20:59] Voice 2: The report says it's currently zoned for community housing. The report is in error. However, quickly I will wrap up.

[0:21:07] Voice 2: the Galliano Island Trust has a process for rezoning and a bylaw approval and it starts with

[0:21:17] Voice 2: an application and there's a chart and in this application it has detailed requirements

[0:21:25] Voice 2: and there are several of these detailed requirements that have not been met so I'd

[0:21:33] Voice 2: like to have this documented for the record the application requirements are quite significant

[0:21:39] Voice 2: And at this meeting, the staff is already proposing a bylaw and to move ahead, a bylaw

[0:21:53] Voice 2: to move ahead.

[0:21:55] Voice 2: And I don't understand this.

[0:21:57] Voice 2: According to the Iowa's trust process, they're jumping well ahead of what should be.

[0:22:07] Voice 2: They're already talking about an agreement, a bylaw.

[0:22:10] Voice 2: If you follow the chart, if you follow the detailed requirements, these simply have not

[0:22:15] Voice 2: been met.

[0:22:17] Voice 2: I'm over my time.

[0:22:19] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[0:22:20] Voice 2: Thank you for that.

[0:22:23] Voice 4: Yes, there's a point.

[0:22:25] Voice 4: So I think it might be beneficial if you have a larger presentation to make, just to apply

[0:22:31] Voice 4: for a delegation next time when it comes on the agenda.

[0:22:34] Voice 4: to not get here i only

[0:22:36] Voice 2: thought about this meeting by chance nobody as a good neighbor

[0:22:43] Voice 2: has consulted with us talked to us when we're neighbors we're basically a lot next door nobody

[0:22:50] Voice 2: made us aware of this meeting so yes i'm i hear what

[0:22:55] Voice 4: you're saying yeah because this meeting was

[0:22:57] Voice 4: advertised but yeah so yeah it

[0:22:59] Voice 2: can be heard it has documents clear um where i think our issues

[0:23:05] Voice 2: thank you

[0:23:07] Voice 8: okay uh

[0:23:12] Voice 8: In

[0:23:13] Voice 10: page 46 of the agenda, there

[0:23:22] Voice 11: are alternatives that you provide for the local trust committee

[0:23:29] Voice 11: with respect to the bylaw 283.

[0:23:34] Voice 5: We are post-public hearing, so you can't ask any further.

[0:23:37] Voice 5: We can't

[0:23:37] Voice 11: make any further comments.

[0:23:45] Voice 5: If you had questions about this, it's advising you contact staff, not an LTC, because then the LTC is hearing this.

[0:23:55] Voice 5: So it's best just or if you have a question about it during perhaps a break, pull me aside and we can chat about it.

[0:24:01] Voice 5: but yes um number three in the staff report if received for information is that your that's

[0:24:08] Voice 5: exactly what

[0:24:10] Voice 9: it means just to receive this for

[0:24:11] Voice 5: information and no decision to be made today

[0:24:13] Voice 5: yeah okay

[0:24:19] Voice 8: uh thank you anyone else would like to

[0:24:25] Voice 8: I would

[0:24:26] Voice 5: just like to comment on what the gentleman, I'm sorry, has just said.

[0:24:33] Voice 5: And I think it's often a very confusing situation for residents when suddenly an application

[0:24:40] Voice 5: appears in the agenda with a move to draft bylaws before the required reports and a full

[0:24:51] Voice 5: sort of um all the full supportive documentation has been received on an application and

[0:24:59] Voice 5: i felt very much in that position um previously and while i was told that the process is not

[0:25:09] Voice 5: necessarily carved in stone i think it's really um somewhat misleading and difficult for residents

[0:25:18] Voice 5: to understand the process when it isn't followed as it's described.

[0:25:24] Voice 5: And I can see what the gentleman who spoke has in terms of documentation.

[0:25:29] Voice 5: So I'd just like to raise that as an issue that I think people feel quite blindsided

[0:25:35] Voice 5: when suddenly it appears as an application and you read the staff report,

[0:25:39] Voice 5: it appears there's an intention to move ahead to drafting bylaws.

[0:25:45] Voice 5: And even though I know in the staff report, it says there are other reports that have to be completed and received.

[0:25:52] Voice 5: But I think that's very often a kind of surprising thing for people.

[0:25:59] Voice 5: So just as a, I guess, a point to note in terms of understanding and engagement.

[0:26:07] Voice 5: Thank

[0:26:08] Voice 7: you for that.

[0:26:10] Voice 7: And I mean, I do understand for those of us who are engaged in this work on a regular basis and understand the process, it's fairly straightforward.

[0:26:26] Voice 7: And we understand that, for example, drafting bylaws doesn't mean that even a first reading is going to happen and that a first reading is not necessarily.

[0:26:37] Voice 7: I have a quote that I really like from one of my colleagues.

[0:26:40] Voice 7: It says, in local government, first reading is used to introduce an idea or a plan that

[0:26:46] Voice 7: activates a legislative process for further review, potentially including public hearing

[0:26:52] Voice 7: information meeting, advisory planning commission referral.

[0:26:55] Voice 7: And it does not mean a decision favorable or unfavorable about the proposal has been

[0:26:59] Voice 7: made.

[0:27:00] Voice 7: And so, but I take your point when people see that the local trust committee is considering

[0:27:07] Voice 7: drafting bylaws it feels like that means this is going to happen um so i'll just respond

[0:27:14] Voice 7: the drafting bylaws would then be followed by consideration of first reading and then the

[0:27:20] Voice 7: quote i just gave is about first reading and first reading even does not mean that a decision

[0:27:25] Voice 7: favorable about or unfavorable has been made so hopefully from without context um people can feel

[0:27:33] Voice 7: at least a little bit um better that there is there is more steps to come and there is

[0:27:40] Voice 7: more opportunities uh to address concerns with with any of these um legislative processes in

[0:27:47] Voice 7: terms of the decision-making process of the local trust committee whether it's an application for

[0:27:53] Voice 7: rezoning or some other type of work so what's being contemplated today is um is is draft bylaws

[0:28:03] Voice 7: which would then come back to another meeting.

[0:28:07] Voice 7: If the committee feels that those draft bylaws are worthy of giving first reading,

[0:28:13] Voice 7: then first reading would take place.

[0:28:15] Voice 7: But then that's still early in the process.

[0:28:18] Voice 7: Following first reading is then when we get into referrals to other agencies, First Nations.

[0:28:24] Voice 7: And so just rest assured the process is not steamrolling ahead in a way that doesn't give more opportunity

[0:28:32] Voice 7: opportunity for people to connect with the local trust committee and share your concerns.

[0:28:39] Voice 2: Just a question. Yeah.

[0:28:41] Voice 2: Yes, draft bylaws, but it also includes a housing agreement.

[0:28:47] Voice 2: I question that in itself appears to be moving forward with quite a bit of momentum.

[0:28:54] Voice 2: A housing agreement is in the recommendation. Thank you.

[0:28:58] Voice 7: Yeah, and so I would just add, again, it would be a draft housing agreement, and such an agreement would just help lay the groundwork so that we would understand if the rezoning went ahead, that would be a requirement so that we've got all the pieces when we actually come to, say, consideration of a first reading, that we've got a good sense of what are the various components of advancing an application.

[0:29:28] Voice 7: So a housing agreement wouldn't be signed in advance of a decision to permit the rezoning.

[0:29:36] Voice 2: I'll slip in one last

[0:29:38] Voice 2: very quick question.

[0:29:40] Voice 2: In the application requirements it states that a full drawn to scale 11 by 17 site plan would be prepared as part of the application.

[0:29:51] Voice 2: As staff receive the detailed location of the buildings, it's in the application.

[0:30:00] Voice 2: as a site plan to draw up with the proposed new structures.

[0:30:05] Thank you.

[0:30:06] Voice 5: Through the chair.

[0:30:07] Voice 5: So no, not yet,

[0:30:08] Voice 5: but that's included as a requirement

[0:30:10] Voice 5: of the terms of reference.

[0:30:12] Voice 5: I just wanted to mention that this is the very first time

[0:30:17] Voice 5: the LTC has seen any information

[0:30:20] Voice 5: or a staff report on this application.

[0:30:23] Voice 5: So the reason why staff don't require an applicant

[0:30:27] Voice 5: to provide expensive reports, such as a groundwater assessment, septic assessment, environmental

[0:30:33] Voice 5: assessments. Those are really, really expensive reports for the applicant. So the purpose

[0:30:40] Voice 5: of this stage is to give basic information to the LTC, and the LTC reviews that and says,

[0:30:47] Voice 5: yes, there's an interest in moving forward to receiving further information, or absolutely

[0:30:51] Voice 5: no, we do not support this. And the reason why we do this, we don't want the applicant

[0:30:56] Voice 5: you to go down the road of providing these very expensive reports and the LTC saying no absolutely

[0:31:03] Voice 5: not so that doesn't mean that if we move forward after the LTC receives these professional reports

[0:31:10] Voice 5: the LTC can still make the decision based on those professional reports to decide to proceed

[0:31:16] Voice 5: no more no further or to add additional conditions to the resuming thank you okay

[0:31:24] Voice 8: anyone else want to

[0:31:26] Voice 8: yes right here um

[0:31:28] Voice 6: as an applicant for these only i can reassure you that nothing gets

[0:31:34] Voice 6: it

[0:31:34] Voice 2: points

[0:31:45] Voice 6: to a larger issue in our communities and that is that there's a lack of engagement

[0:31:52] Voice 6: engagement in these meetings and

[0:31:56] Voice 5: what goes on, and

[0:31:57] Voice 6: I know

[0:31:59] Voice 5: I shied away from them for a long time too, and I don't always love sitting through them, but unless we're willing to turn into the room and talk to each other, get curious about what the trustees are experiencing and each other in our communities,

[0:32:15] Voice 5: then it's hard to have a feeling of connectivity

[0:32:20] Voice 6: to the changes that we've been having.

[0:32:23] Voice 6: So I'm all for being curious and being open to getting others in this room and creating something healthy at the LTC meetings.

[0:32:38] Voice 8: Thank you for that. Would anyone else like to address the local trust committee before we move on?

[0:32:46] Voice 8: okay i'm not steven uh

[0:32:49] Voice 4: just going to uh house the trustees please make use of the

[0:32:54] Voice 4: space that you've got on social media and publications like the active page by signaling

[0:33:01] Voice 4: if you can with the known time constraints of what is going to be coming up at the next meeting

[0:33:09] Voice 4: because that to my mind has been uh

[0:33:16] Voice 4: degrading uh has degraded communications on the island yeah i

[0:33:26] Voice 7: appreciate that i know um

[0:33:29] Voice 7: one of the one of the realities is that uh we tend to get the full agenda as trustees

[0:33:35] Voice 7: about a week before the meeting um and although we usually get a draft some days before the full

[0:33:43] Voice 7: agenda uh sometimes there are late items that come in and so sometimes it's it's a week before

[0:33:50] Voice 7: the meeting and i don't know what the schedule of your your local paper is i'm going to assume

[0:33:55] Voice 7: it's once a month um not

[0:33:56] Voice 8: every two weeks

[0:33:57] Voice 7: right so so depending on when the information gets

[0:34:02] Voice 7: to the trustees there could be difficulty in terms of their print um i don't know how active your

[0:34:07] Voice 7: local social media is and i know some people don't like to engage with that at all but

[0:34:12] Voice 9: but

[0:34:12] Voice 7: uh i appreciate that okay uh let's move on then uh we have no community information meeting

[0:34:22] Voice 7: or public hearing today uh we do have the minutes of the october 8th meeting here for adoption any

[0:34:30] Voice 7: amendments the minutes today no

[0:34:32] Voice 9: okay uh

[0:34:36] Voice 7: and then we have the public hearing record of october 8th

[0:34:41] Voice 7: for receipt no resolutions yeah

[0:34:46] Voice 5: they're just for receipt right correct

[0:34:48] Voice 7: uh no resolutions without

[0:34:51] Voice 7: meeting report nor advisory planning commission minutes and so that brings us to the follow-up

[0:34:58] Voice 7: action list uh starting on page 18 and i'll look to staff and see

[0:35:03] Voice 7: if there's any updates you'd like

[0:35:04] Voice 7: to share

[0:35:05] Voice 5: thank you chair i'm actually going to go through one by one so if you wanted to do

[0:35:09] Voice 5: those updates uh the first one on page 18 of the agenda this was on our follow-up action list

[0:35:17] Voice 5: almost a year ago staff did report a report on public participation options for the work program

[0:35:26] Voice 5: so this is something that now potentially the groundwater sustainability project may be moving

[0:35:32] Voice 5: forward this would be a good time for staff to bring forth that report more than

[0:35:37] Voice 5: likely it won't

[0:35:38] Voice 5: be on the december agenda but the goal is to get it onto the february agenda um in terms of the

[0:35:45] Voice 5: bomber clean zoning that's certain that's on hold right now due to the applicant's request but stop

[0:35:51] Voice 5: have been in contact with the applicant or perhaps bring it forward to the december meeting or to the

[0:35:59] Voice 5: uh february meeting staff have been in

[0:36:03] Voice 5: contact with the apc chair who has resigned so there will

[0:36:10] Voice 5: be um i would imagine our legislative clerk will be sending out um notification as when you this

[0:36:17] Voice 5: when you want to swap the apc so uh staff will be putting a notification up for that and i'm going

[0:36:24] Voice 5: to resend the referral um regarding wise island to the apc to restart that discussion up um in terms

[0:36:35] Voice 5: of let's see next one here resuming 2021.2 um the meeting with and that's our district law like 85

[0:36:46] Voice 5: and 86. So staff have scheduled or pardon me, Connecticut have extended an invitation

[0:36:54] Voice 5: to the LTC to attend the December 17th. So staff in the LTC will be attending that

[0:37:01] Voice 5: Connecticut meeting to discuss these two applications. And a referral will be sent

[0:37:08] Voice 5: to the Galliano Parks and Recreation Commission after the discussion with MITI. Those are

[0:37:15] Voice 5: going to be more internal stop-to-stop discussions see here other items i don't have any further

[0:37:27] Voice 5: updates um i know that there is an application portion later on the agenda but in case some

[0:37:35] Voice 5: community members decide not to stay for the full agenda um we're hoping to bring the crystal

[0:37:40] Voice 5: mountain um the zoning athletic application back for the december ltc meeting okay thank you

[0:37:49] Voice 8: trustees any questions on the bullet action list today uh no i'm good no

[0:37:54] Voice 3: okay

[0:37:58] Voice 9: and

[0:38:00] Voice 7: then uh

[0:38:01] Voice 7: that brings us to uh the zoning application starting on page 21 um paris and i'll turn

[0:38:13] Voice 7: it over to staff thank

[0:38:14] Voice 5: you uh chair um it's my understanding that the applicant he was

[0:38:19] Voice 5: unable to be here today i was hoping that he was able to zoom in i don't see him yet

[0:38:27] Voice 5: Fingers crossed he'll be able to attend.

[0:38:30] Voice 5: What I'll do is just go over a summary of the report,

[0:38:33] Voice 5: and then I'm happy to answer any questions the LTC may have.

[0:38:37] Voice 5: So this is a preliminary staff report to provide basic information to the LTC

[0:38:43] Voice 5: on this redoning application.

[0:38:45] Voice 5: And the purpose of this staff report is to seek direction from the LTC,

[0:38:49] Voice 5: to proceed with the application, to not proceed with the application,

[0:38:54] Voice 5: and or preparing a draft bylaws and a draft housing agreement.

[0:39:00] Voice 5: So the subject property was originally zoned rural residential,

[0:39:05] Voice 5: which is the zone that surrounds the property,

[0:39:10] Voice 5: and was rezoned successfully back in 2002 to a commercial setting

[0:39:16] Voice 5: that permitted the commercial film school use.

[0:39:21] Voice 5: And that was in operation for about 20 years.

[0:39:25] Voice 5: The applicant has stated that in the last few years, the buildings that were originally their housing students have now been used as affordable housing units.

[0:39:39] Voice 5: And the applicant's or property owner is coming forward to now legalize that use.

[0:39:44] Voice 5: use the applicant has provided a rational letter which is attached to this staff report

[0:39:53] Voice 5: although the staff report states that the intent was to report the intent was to resume to a

[0:40:00] Voice 5: affordable rental use the applicant has just mentioned that there may be an amendment to

[0:40:07] Voice 5: that request to potentially for a co-op ownership so there's still some changes that may be happening

[0:40:15] Voice 5: so those are so the affordable rental use may be changed as the application proceeds

[0:40:23] Voice 5: so as stated in the applicant's rationale the property or there is a significant water license

[0:40:30] Voice 5: right now for people as well as a sewage system and there has been some repair and upgrades to

[0:40:41] Voice 5: the existing buildings which are stated there in the staff report. The current OCP land designation

[0:40:48] Voice 5: for the property is split with commercial and rural residential. The reason why the upper

[0:40:54] Voice 5: proportion of that property is, has the OCP designation of rural

[0:40:59] Voice 5: residential and also the zoning was that it was involved in

[0:41:02] Voice 5: adjustment. And so that created the split zone. So if this

[0:41:07] Voice 5: application does move forward, we're hoping then to remove that

[0:41:11] Voice 5: split zone split land use destination to one land use

[0:41:15] Voice 5: destination. I've also included or highlighted some of the OCP

[0:41:20] Voice 5: policies and how this application complies with those. So I'm happy to answer any specific

[0:41:28] Voice 5: questions about that. But to highlight it, the property would be zoned to only allow affordable

[0:41:34] Voice 5: housing. There would be a housing agreement required as a condition of zoning. There will

[0:41:41] Voice 5: also be a groundwater assessment required to ensure that the existing well has sufficient

[0:41:47] Voice 5: quality and quantity of water for the proposed use.

[0:41:51] Voice 5: As mentioned, the rezoning would remove the split zone

[0:41:56] Voice 5: and would rezone the property

[0:41:58] Voice 5: to a site-specific community housing zone.

[0:42:04] Voice 5: The housing agreement, the staff report lays out

[0:42:09] Voice 5: the basic parameters of the housing agreement,

[0:42:12] Voice 5: but the housing agreement authorizes the LTC

[0:42:16] Voice 5: to enter into this document,

[0:42:19] Voice 5: which defines terms and conditions agreed to by the LTC and the property owner regarding

[0:42:25] Voice 5: competency, rents and tenure of the housing units. So the primary purpose of the housing

[0:42:32] Voice 5: agreement is to ensure that the development provides affordable rentals or affordable

[0:42:37] Voice 5: housing in perpetuity. So there is a terms of reference attached to the staff report.

[0:42:46] Voice 5: And so if the application does proceed,

[0:42:49] Voice 5: the items including the terms of reference

[0:42:52] Voice 5: will be the requirement for the applicant to provide.

[0:42:55] Voice 5: So there's four items.

[0:42:57] Voice 5: The first is a groundwater assessment,

[0:42:59] Voice 5: a wastewater assessment, a housing agreement.

[0:43:03] Voice 5: And I've realized the fourth there,

[0:43:05] Voice 5: it's not included in the terms of reference,

[0:43:07] Voice 5: but will be, is confirmation from the CRD,

[0:43:10] Voice 5: the building department to ensure the existing buildings

[0:43:13] Voice 5: meet the BC building code.

[0:43:15] Voice 5: and potentially uh the requirement for an occupancy permit that would be based on the

[0:43:20] Voice 5: series of recommendations i want to thank those community members who noted an error in the

[0:43:27] Voice 5: referral list yes i have changed that if this application moves forward it will be referred

[0:43:34] Voice 5: to the north um galliano fire hall so that's been included staff have provided a recommendation to

[0:43:42] Voice 5: the ltc to move forward with the application in order to drop our loans and also to drop the

[0:43:48] Voice 5: housing agreement i also appreciate there has there is an error on page 28 of the staff report

[0:43:55] Voice 5: at the very top it says that the proposed land is consistent with the policies of the island's

[0:44:03] Voice 5: trust policy statement and the ocp and subject property is already designated zone for community

[0:44:08] Voice 5: housing that is incorrect and i apologize for that error so that will be taken away from the staff

[0:44:14] Voice 5: report and in the alternatives for the ltc to consider um referencing an incorrect um so many

[0:44:22] Voice 5: application members i was really on fire with this one i apologize for that um i i as we heard from

[0:44:29] Voice 5: community members the alternatives there's three there but the ltc can also consider a community

[0:44:34] Voice 5: community information meeting. So to gather further information from community members

[0:44:40] Voice 5: and the applicant also there to answer any specific questions. I also wanted to answer

[0:44:49] Voice 5: some of the questions I heard during town hall. So first was, is there any occupancy

[0:44:54] Voice 5: permits, as mentioned, that will be a requirement in terms of reference. So that is something

[0:45:00] Voice 5: that we'll be looking for we'll be speaking with the crd in terms of if an occupancy permit is

[0:45:06] Voice 5: required or what they would require to ensure that the links are brought up to that standard

[0:45:11] Voice 5: for community housing if it moves forward when did staff find out of the illegal use that was

[0:45:17] Voice 5: last year the first um site visit were there reports from the site visits and stuff um

[0:45:24] Voice 5: the staff prepared no it was just a site visit where i took some picture and discussed with the

[0:45:29] Voice 5: applicant the first time i met the applicant on site the discussion was to apply for reserving

[0:45:35] Voice 5: to legalize these pieces and i mentioned the errors in the staff reports as well

[0:45:41] Voice 5: um so i'm going to leave it at that unfortunately i don't see the applicant

[0:45:46] Voice 5: online so i'm happy to answer any questions i can um and the ltc has the option to defer this

[0:45:54] Voice 5: some of the data if you'd like to consider that questions trustees

[0:45:59] Voice 8: questions comments um

[0:46:02] Voice 5: yeah um

[0:46:03] Voice 5: i think there's a lot of questions we're meeting with this application and i think the only way to

[0:46:08] Voice 5: get those answers is to proceed with it i am in favor of planner stockville's recommendations this

[0:46:14] Voice 5: proposal addresses a pressing need in the community for affordable housing and without

[0:46:20] Voice 5: that would support essential workers, families,

[0:46:23] Voice 5: and will contribute significant to Dallium.

[0:46:27] Voice 5: My thought is that moving forward with this proposal

[0:46:29] Voice 5: would allow the local trust committee

[0:46:31] Voice 5: to consider further information

[0:46:33] Voice 5: from environmental assessments, agency referrals,

[0:46:37] Voice 5: and public feedback.

[0:46:39] Voice 5: Furthermore, the planner's recommendations

[0:46:42] Voice 5: prior applies to transparency

[0:46:44] Voice 5: and offering the public structured opportunities

[0:46:49] Voice 5: for input.

[0:46:49] Voice 5: but so i'll be voting favorably

[0:46:54] Voice 8: yeah

[0:46:56] Voice 4: um i mean like with these kinds of applications where

[0:47:04] Voice 4: you're having to make a decision about putting density into a residential neighborhood there's

[0:47:10] Voice 4: a lot of questions that need to be answered for sure um which during the town hall some of them

[0:47:20] Voice 4: are raised you know raising density from what is currently five to twelve that's significant that's

[0:47:26] Voice 4: that's a significant increase in density um i think i'm not opposed to proceeding because it's

[0:47:37] Voice 4: only with proceeding that we get answers so um you know i don't think there's i don't think we serve

[0:47:48] Voice 4: the public well if we don't at least explore the options right um i have i have concerns as well i

[0:47:58] Voice 4: you know when i read through it um is how do you how do you in a in a fairly small

[0:48:06] Voice 4: section of the neighborhood like that put up a portable housing project and so

[0:48:14] Voice 4: So you're going to need a ton of community input, right,

[0:48:18] Voice 4: especially local community input.

[0:48:23] Voice 4: You're going to have to really have a very good rationale

[0:48:27] Voice 4: for why this should be where it is.

[0:48:31] And I'm going

[0:48:34] Voice 4: to commend the applicant, actually,

[0:48:38] Voice 4: for providing housing for people that have needed it for a long time, right?

[0:48:43] Voice 4: right? Whether it's been legal or illegal. I mean, the problem we have on the island

[0:48:53] Voice 4: is housing people who need it. And so, you know, I'm in favour of exploring the options

[0:49:04] Voice 4: anyways. I'm in favour of having the community have input into all the questions that are

[0:49:10] Voice 4: going to be raised. If you look at the terms of reference, there's a huge amount of work

[0:49:14] Voice 4: to do. I designate the site and you know just a site plan sort of gives you then some context

[0:49:24] Voice 4: you know you can start to develop in your mind what this would look like and

[0:49:31] Voice 4: how it could proceed or not right and so while it would appear that moving ahead with draft bylaws

[0:49:45] Voice 4: might seem like we're jumping ahead we're really not we're just we saw this today

[0:49:53] Voice 4: that will allow us to explore all those things that we need to explore

[0:50:00] Voice 4: and so i think i agree because i think that i'm willing to proceed to draft by the loss

[0:50:07] Voice 4: and uh this is going to be this isn't this is going to be a two-meeting or four-meeting or

[0:50:12] Voice 4: six meeting process this is gonna be a long process and it's unfortunate the applicant

[0:50:18] Voice 4: wasn't here today but uh to be honest i don't think george is expecting this to be a quick

[0:50:24] Voice 4: process he's he's done business on this island for a long time yeah yeah um yeah i think i'm

[0:50:34] Voice 4: willing to at least go down that road

[0:50:36] Voice 5: yeah i think the draft bylaws would inform the

[0:50:42] Voice 5: community information much better than just this application so i've got

[0:50:50] Voice 7: a couple questions and

[0:50:52] Voice 7: i'm happy to entertain motion um so partner adults dr you mentioned a couple of things that

[0:50:58] Voice 7: um should be included in the terms of reference including um a condition around the crd and

[0:51:07] Voice 7: building code and then also occupancy permit and just because i'm not super familiar

[0:51:14] Voice 7: Would an occupancy permit or could an occupancy permit specify, like, the maximum number of people?

[0:51:28] Voice 7: Because that's something that I'm interested in.

[0:51:31] Voice 7: I know the film school had a 30-person capacity, but also a seasonal as opposed to year-round.

[0:51:40] Voice 7: so i'm just wondering if the occupancy permit is a way or potentially a way to um

[0:51:48] Voice 7: to define the the allowable occupation um and so and then that number could be

[0:51:58] Voice 7: or numbers could be you know uh considered and what the impacts would be because

[0:52:02] Voice 7: i i honestly don't know yeah

[0:52:05] Voice 5: to tell you the truth i unfortunately don't know the very

[0:52:08] Voice 5: the specifics i imagine that there would be some discussion through the building inspectors when

[0:52:14] Voice 5: issuing the occupancy permit to do no fire safety and so forth the number of people

[0:52:19] Voice 5: so i can't answer that specifically but i can flag that as something to look into if the ltc

[0:52:25] Voice 5: is interested in limiting the number of people potentially through the housing agreement or a

[0:52:32] Voice 5: section 219 covenant can achieve that as well there

[0:52:36] Voice 5: are options

[0:52:37] Voice 7: to do that if if the occupancy

[0:52:39] Voice 7: permit isn't doing that i think part of what i would understand is a concern on a lot that's

[0:52:47] Voice 7: not a huge lot um that there's some some understanding that there is there's a way

[0:52:55] Voice 7: eight foot limits in

[0:52:56] Voice 8: the end um

[0:52:57] Voice 7: so and then those those items that you mentioned though um if if

[0:53:02] Voice 7: this goes ahead to draft bylaws you're going to include those items in the term or terms of

[0:53:07] Voice 7: reference no matter of course the occupancy permit and the building codes okay thank you

[0:53:13] Voice 7: that's it for me go ahead i

[0:53:16] Voice 5: was just going to mention um you know when when staff brings

[0:53:20] Voice 5: forward a staff report things can change in a matter of week and recommendations can change

[0:53:24] Voice 5: with the discussion of the town hall and also with the ltc so if the ltc does decide to give

[0:53:31] Voice 5: direction to draft bylaws and also a draft my recommendation would be that i would work with

[0:53:38] Voice 5: the applicant to gather what was in the terms of reference which will take some time so that gives

[0:53:46] Voice 5: staff time to also drop the bottle off to give a basis of information um the applicant's requesting

[0:53:53] Voice 5: 12 units, it doesn't mean that that's going to be the final number potentially to be reduced

[0:53:59] Voice 5: based on the information we receive from the professional reports.

[0:54:03] Voice 5: So when we gather all that information, staff will bring that back to the LTC and more than

[0:54:08] Voice 5: likely the recommendation at that time is for the LTC to schedule a community information meeting.

[0:54:14] Voice 5: I think that it'd be best to do that even before giving first reading.

[0:54:18] Voice 5: So I just wanted to mention that now.

[0:54:20] Voice 5: now.

[0:54:22] Voice 4: Thank you. Yeah, just

[0:54:24] Voice 4: in the in the referrals on First Nations, which include the close

[0:54:28] Voice 4: sales peoples of Galliano in terms of family, please.

[0:54:31] Voice 5: Yes. So sorry, I missed that. Maybe

[0:54:36] Voice 5: under it is under non agency referrals. And the reason for that is the province gives

[0:54:45] Voice 5: a specific list. So it is there,

[0:54:49] Voice 8: but I'm happy. That's great.

[0:54:56] Voice 8: okay uh should we

[0:54:58] Voice 5: proceed with our recommendation but maybe pull out those draft bylaws and housing

[0:55:02] Voice 5: agreement just

[0:55:02] Voice 11: give the planner latitude with the um

[0:55:07] Voice 5: direction to proceed

[0:55:08] Voice 11: with the application

[0:55:11] Voice 5: it's more helpful for to give direction for myself for staff to track the bylaws that gives me

[0:55:17] Voice 5: something to work with it helps bring something forward to the community as well as this is what

[0:55:22] Voice 5: what a draft by-law may look like

[0:55:25] Voice 5: so we can start getting at the finer details of it all.

[0:55:30] Voice 4: This is a note on that or a comment on that.

[0:55:32] Voice 4: I mean, it's important that we have a starting point.

[0:55:37] Voice 4: It's important that, you know,

[0:55:39] Voice 4: if we get staff to do draft by-laws

[0:55:41] Voice 4: and a housing agreement, that's a starting point.

[0:55:43] Voice 4: That's, and it's important for people who come to me

[0:55:46] Voice 4: is that I know there was some frustration about,

[0:55:50] Voice 4: you only saw the application today.

[0:55:52] Voice 4: we only saw the application today,

[0:55:53] Voice 4: or when

[0:55:55] Voice 3: we had the agenda last week, yeah.

[0:55:57] Voice 4: So it's just a starting point.

[0:55:59] Voice 4: And when you come to the meetings

[0:56:00] Voice 4: to talk about the applications,

[0:56:02] Voice 4: we step into this to understand

[0:56:04] Voice 4: that that's what we're looking at here.

[0:56:09] Voice 5: Right on, I'll make the motion.

[0:56:11] Voice 5: I move that the Galeano Local Trust Committee

[0:56:13] Voice 5: direct staff to proceed with application G-L-R-Z 2003.3,

[0:56:20] Voice 5: to prepare draft bylaws and a housing agreement.

[0:56:24] Voice 7: I'll second the motion.

[0:56:25] Voice 7: Moved and seconded.

[0:56:26] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[0:56:29] Voice 7: No, I'm not seeing any.

[0:56:31] Voice 7: I'll call the question.

[0:56:32] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[0:56:33] Voice 7: And the motion carries.

[0:56:37] Voice 7: Okay, next, starting on page 41,

[0:56:40] we have a referral from the Salisbury Island

[0:56:45] Local Trust Committee on both

[0:56:46] Voice 7: bylaws 538 and 539.

[0:56:56] Voice 7: Councillor Stockdale, what can you tell us about these referrals in a general sense?

[0:57:00] Voice 5: Well, let me just pull out the main sentence here.

[0:57:04] Voice 5: I'm not familiar with the two bylaws,

[0:57:08] Voice 5: but the referrals state that the purpose of the bylaw amendments for Salt Spring

[0:57:13] Voice 5: is to amend the land use bylaw to legalize the existing ferry terminal use

[0:57:20] Voice 5: while expanding the water lot for the official community plan designation

[0:57:26] Voice 5: nation uh the shoreline development and the shoreline pre-land use bylaw zone redevelopment

[0:57:33] Voice 5: so this is all in regards to legalizing the use of the very terminal

[0:57:41] Voice 5: correct this

[0:57:43] Voice 7: is the vesuvius very terminal right yeah i i'm the chair of so i'm actually

[0:57:51] Voice 7: not actually testing you but uh but i just wanted to see where you're up there

[0:57:55] Voice 7: Yeah, so this is about the BC Ferries plan upgrade, the Vesuvius Ferry Terminal, including

[0:58:04] Voice 7: I think the biggest outstanding things that I've heard on Salt Spring are right now there's

[0:58:12] Voice 7: a lack of a passenger waiting area.

[0:58:16] Voice 7: You can huddle in your car or you can stand out in the rain.

[0:58:20] Voice 7: There's also no washrooms there.

[0:58:21] Voice 7: um bc furries wants to redo the trestle which is the part you drive out on um and to do so they

[0:58:31] Voice 7: have to uh that that's why they have to change the water lot designation there um i know a lot

[0:58:38] Voice 7: of salt spring has been hoping for this to happen maybe even years ago so

[0:58:44] Voice 9: that's

[0:58:46] Voice 7: that's the that's

[0:58:47] Voice 7: the pitch from the salt spring local trust committee if you will um and uh in terms of

[0:58:54] Voice 7: the referral response on page uh 43 there are the main uh main options which are uh

[0:59:04] Voice 7: recommended for reasons outlined uh recommended subject to conditions outlined uh interest

[0:59:11] Voice 7: interest unaffected or approval not recommended due to reasons so um I think typically in this

[0:59:20] Voice 7: type of case uh the usual um response would be interest unaffected by a bylaw but I don't know

[0:59:28] Voice 7: um whether there's a feeling from the Galeano that there is any particular direct um uh affect

[0:59:38] Voice 7: to the interest of galliano for the obsidious terminal upgrade

[0:59:42] Voice 5: uh yeah i don't have a question

[0:59:44] Voice 5: that it's the bylaws are being given first reading on sultry so this is part of that

[0:59:49] Voice 5: first this

[0:59:49] Voice 7: is part of the referral process yeah absolutely

[0:59:52] Voice 5: um

[0:59:54] Voice 7: i

[0:59:58] Voice 9: don't know

[1:00:00] Voice 7: that's the

[1:00:00] Voice 7: case i don't i think this is the time and of course as um being a salt spring chair

[1:00:07] Voice 7: when when we uh pass bylaws of of some natures they also go to salt spring yeah

[1:00:15] Voice 5: right yeah okay

[1:00:16] Voice 5: and then the time to return this referral is november 50th which is we have lots of time

[1:00:21] Voice 5: to do that that's that's doable yes yeah

[1:00:25] Voice 6: i don't i don't then i agree i don't think

[1:00:27] Voice 6: by uh interests unaffected okay

[1:00:32] Voice 7: so uh what would be great if this one of you would

[1:00:38] Voice 7: like to make a motion um to that effect i don't know that we have a draft motion

[1:00:46] Voice 7: so

[1:00:46] Voice 9: typically it would be

[1:00:50] Voice 7: something like that the ltc respond to the um

[1:00:57] Voice 7: salt spring bylaw referral with interests

[1:01:03] Voice 8: unaffected by bylaw or something like that

[1:01:06] Voice 8: chair

[1:01:06] Voice 1: peterson yes um if i may um i could suggest a standard one that has been used

[1:01:14] Voice 1: from a different island

[1:01:17] Voice 10: excellent uh

[1:01:19] Voice 1: that the galliano local or the galliano island local trust

[1:01:22] Voice 1: committee interests are unaffected by the salt spring island local trust committee draft bylaws

[1:01:27] Voice 1: numbers 538 and 539

[1:01:31] Voice 7: any further discussion no I'll call the question all

[1:01:44] Voice 7: those in favor and the motion carries okay and thank you meeting this

[1:01:52] Voice 7: administrator millard for moving us along with that so next up uh starting on page 44

[1:02:03] Voice 7: under local trust committee project we have the groundwater sustainability project proposed bylaws

[1:02:09] Voice 7: 283 and 284 we are post-public hearing and we have a staff report attached i'll turn it over

[1:02:15] Voice 7: over to Planner Stockdale to start us off.

[1:02:18] Voice 5: Chair Peterson, as a reminder to all of us,

[1:02:23] Voice 5: last month on October 8th in this location,

[1:02:26] Voice 5: a community information meeting and public hearing

[1:02:29] Voice 5: was held for these two proposed bylaws,

[1:02:32] Voice 5: 283 and 284 for the groundwater sustainability project.

[1:02:38] Voice 5: In the staff report, staff have included

[1:02:42] Voice 5: four different amendments for consideration they are they are technical amendments for consideration

[1:02:49] Voice 5: the first is to bylaw 283 which is the amending bylaw and that would be amending one of the

[1:02:57] Voice 5: exemptions as it stands now if the dpa were to be adopted on the cutting removal of trees with

[1:03:07] Voice 5: a trunk diameter less than um for me five trees per hectare with a diameter greater than 20

[1:03:15] Voice 5: centimeters would be exempt but smaller trees wouldn't be exempt so if a property owner was

[1:03:22] Voice 5: going to go and remove one small tree it would require a development permit so there is a new

[1:03:28] Voice 5: exemption the ltc could consider which states that cutting and removal of trees with a trunk

[1:03:34] Voice 5: diameter less than 27 meters measured 1.5 meters above the ground so really the intention of the

[1:03:40] Voice 5: development permit area is to initiate or kick in when a property owner is going to be removing six

[1:03:49] Voice 5: larger trees or more not to require a development permit for smaller trees or five or less bigger

[1:04:00] Voice 5: The second item there is there was a mapping error in the DPA map, which I mentioned in

[1:04:07] Voice 5: previous staff reports.

[1:04:08] Voice 5: So that would be just amending the DPA map.

[1:04:14] Voice 5: In terms of bylaw 284, which is the land use bylaw amendment, replacing the word property

[1:04:21] Voice 5: throughout the bylaw with lot, land use bylaws we always refer to a lot rather than a property,

[1:04:27] Voice 5: that's just for consistency and also removing the regulation that requires cisterns it's

[1:04:36] Voice 5: tucked in our subdivision regulation which really isn't clear for those reviewing the land use

[1:04:42] Voice 5: bylaw generally those regulations are found in the beginning of the bylaw general regulations

[1:04:48] Voice 5: so just for clarity staffers were recommending moving that regulation to the front of the bylaw

[1:04:56] Voice 5: So in terms of the process of public hearing, at this point, the LTC consider amending the

[1:05:05] Voice 5: bylaws and then giving second reading as amended, then giving third reading.

[1:05:11] Voice 5: After third reading, the LTC should then forward the bylaws to executive committee and then

[1:05:21] Voice 5: after that forward the ocp bylaw to the ministry for approval um so there are alternatives for the

[1:05:29] Voice 5: ltc to consider um i have listed three there the first is in regards to the exemption p which has

[1:05:37] Voice 5: been the majority of the discussion that we have so there is a motion

[1:05:41] Voice 5: there if the ltc wanted to

[1:05:43] Voice 5: remove that exemption the ltc also has the option to change the wording of exception p and you'd be

[1:05:51] Voice 5: using a similar draft motion that you see on page 44. So just as I quickly go over the long list of

[1:06:01] Voice 5: recommendations on page 44 of the staff reports, the first section would be amending the OCP

[1:06:07] Voice 5: 283 by-law. The second one then would be giving the by-law second reading as amended. The third

[1:06:14] Voice 5: is amending the land use bylaw fourth is amended or is giving it second reading as amended and it

[1:06:21] Voice 5: almost heard the third reading bylaws and executive approval and the ministry of municipal affairs for

[1:06:28] Voice 5: the ocb bylaw um i also wanted to mention that we have received a

[1:06:34] Voice 6: couple

[1:06:35] Voice 5: letters from community

[1:06:36] Voice 5: members um post public hearing and as we know the ltc cannot hear any further information post

[1:06:43] Voice 5: public hearing so if community members have any questions or concerns please send that

[1:06:48] Voice 5: correspondence to the planner or the regional planning manager robert kajima or the director

[1:06:54] Voice 5: of planning services stephen cermak or even the cao just so then they can deal with it internally

[1:07:00] Voice 5: and for whatever reason they you know we have to involve the ltc then we will but just so you know

[1:07:06] Voice 5: that we can staff can still receive those comments and i'll leave it at that and if

[1:07:12] Voice 5: the lgc has any questions please let me know okay trustees

[1:07:23] Voice 5: keys out for fits um

[1:07:27] Voice 11: for

[1:07:30] Voice 5: me i mean honestly i'd like to see this project finished unless

[1:07:36] Voice 5: as you want to another project. I am concerned that the majority

[1:07:45] Voice 5: of the conversations will be carrying around items that maybe

[1:07:50] Voice 5: there's other elements of the project that

[1:07:54] Voice 5: you would wish to

[1:07:55] Voice 5: discuss. We have the option

[1:08:05] Voice 5: to clear this again, but I don't

[1:08:07] Voice 5: know how to kick this down the road further is going to really

[1:08:17] Voice 5: what's that going to go and maybe we can benefit from more conversations with both

[1:08:21] Voice 5: anallocate and local first nations around um exemption p uh particularly the reporting or

[1:08:28] Voice 5: the amendment of it um yeah there's a lot of options just

[1:08:36] Voice 4: to maybe um well i can probably

[1:08:39] Voice 4: have less options i guess um i mean i i think uh first of all the amount of work that um

[1:08:47] Voice 4: Brad Smith and Orissa Chadwick and Kim Stockdell put into this to come up with a document that

[1:08:54] Voice 4: addresses groundwater sustainability.

[1:09:02] Voice 4: I frankly believe in the requirements around water storage.

[1:09:07] Voice 4: I think that's an important part of a water plan.

[1:09:11] Voice 4: The unfortunate thing with this project, this DP, is that there's so much exempted land,

[1:09:23] Voice 4: as William Shuba put it, it's probably the effect of the DP is minimal at best.

[1:09:33] Voice 4: The reality is that you exempt all the residential lots, the ARLR lands, the MFL lands, all the

[1:09:41] Voice 4: parks and conservancy lands there's not a whole lot left over after that if you look at exemption

[1:09:49] Voice 4: p all of the first nations land at this point is already attempted right um there was a lot of work

[1:09:57] Voice 4: going on with staff and uh to come up with the wording of that exemption and um and then you

[1:10:06] Voice 4: know when we had public hearing and Chief Jack spoke she reminded us of the importance of

[1:10:16] Voice 4: including Indigenous peoples in our bylaws right if we're serious about reconciliation

[1:10:26] Voice 4: then those words should mean something and and so I'm at a point where I don't see

[1:10:35] Voice 4: we're not really looking at anything if we're discussing this except exemption p

[1:10:41] Voice 4: And I'm comfortable moving ahead with this project, completing this project with Exemption B in there.

[1:10:51] Voice 4: Is it perfect? I don't think we're going to hit perfect. I don't think you ever hit perfect.

[1:10:57] Voice 4: I think if we approve without the exemption, then we've told the Calicut that's your input.

[1:11:11] Voice 4: I wouldn't say it doesn't matter, but I mean, it's a strong signal if we don't include it.

[1:11:22] Voice 4: And so having said all that, I'm prepared to move ahead as staff has recommended.

[1:11:30] Voice 4: I think we're at that point.

[1:11:31] Voice 4: point. I just don't see any scenario where what few lands come under this DP where Exemption

[1:11:50] Voice 4: P would have any effect or major effect in the future. So I'm prepared to start making

[1:12:02] Voice 4: motions to go through the recommendations and then we'll just see where the chips fall right

[1:12:11] Voice 4: go ahead yeah

[1:12:13] Voice 5: i know i i agree i heard the same um my big takeaway from that public hearing

[1:12:19] Voice 5: was that this community does lander a lot of fear that they use support enrollment from

[1:12:29] Voice 5: I heard that that's a valuable community work together and that's that's reconciliation process

[1:12:37] Voice 5: building

[1:12:39] Voice 11: those relationships right um and I believe that um I also think that exemption p

[1:12:50] Voice 5: it it was taking out of this if you're going to remove it but we were to bring it back first

[1:13:01] Voice 5: a future meeting to discuss what that means and not just apply it to dpa4 but look at all the

[1:13:09] Voice 5: details look at that worry but i think that's a project so i think if we end this project

[1:13:16] Voice 5: and move on to another project we can but that could

[1:13:22] Voice 6: be to uh everything we need we need a

[1:13:26] Voice 6: community to come together and work

[1:13:28] Voice 5: together we need the conversations we need a comment too from

[1:13:31] Voice 5: other local indigenous people that live here too about what exemption t means to them it applies

[1:13:38] Voice 5: to you all all

[1:13:40] Voice 11: four stations you're not not just one different nation right not

[1:13:47] Voice 4: aware of what you're

[1:13:48] Voice 4: saying the exemption is pretty clear on indigenous peoples

[1:13:52] Voice 5: that's the issue so the wording of the uh

[1:13:57] Voice 5: as worded it's open to misinterpretation i don't understand that

[1:14:03] Voice 11: so

[1:14:04] Voice 7: i'll just make one comment and and i agree largely with much of what i've heard uh from

[1:14:11] Voice 7: both of you there there's been a lot of work on this by staff knowing that we're going to

[1:14:18] Voice 7: have a chance to sit down with chief and council um next month i am open to the idea of of

[1:14:27] Voice 7: deferring so that we can have a chance to sit down and have a conversation with them um that

[1:14:35] Voice 7: could include you know uh

[1:14:37] Voice 9: looking

[1:14:38] Voice 7: at at the wording of exception p if if the sense we get

[1:14:46] Voice 7: from the from chief and council is like yep go with it um then that's fine that's a clear message

[1:14:54] Voice 7: uh if there's consideration of um changing the wording a bit i'm totally open to that too

[1:15:02] Voice 7: so that's yeah

[1:15:04] Voice 5: yeah because for me the exemptions as listed are uh need to align with the activity

[1:15:14] Voice 5: the way that this extension is worded it's about people so i i'm just even from the administrative

[1:15:22] Voice 5: point of view it doesn't fit very well so let's make it fit better and i'm not suggesting i don't

[1:15:29] Voice 5: have to worry for that or anything but we're not going to find that better unless we have

[1:15:35] Voice 5: more discussion yeah

[1:15:37] Voice 7: and i i think i guess the way i i feel about it is i think that we have

[1:15:43] Voice 7: us as as a group as a committee have had the discussion to the extent that we have and i don't

[1:15:52] Voice 7: i feel like um if it was gonna be a long time to until we had a chance to sit down with chief

[1:15:58] Voice 7: counsel let's see let's just get it done the fact that we're actually gonna have a chance to sit

[1:16:04] Voice 7: down with them soon i'm open to the idea of having this be a topic of conversation because if they

[1:16:13] Voice 7: if they have suggestions that feel like they're better from their perspective i'm okay with that

[1:16:20] Voice 7: yeah um if they're like say if they're like yep go with it as it is i'm also okay with that um

[1:16:28] Voice 7: so that that's my thought today all

[1:16:32] Voice 4: right go ahead i'm

[1:16:37] Voice 5: not sure so i'm trying to think of a

[1:16:38] Voice 5: way to word this so staff had sent many letters to first nations um i personally had sent um an email

[1:16:49] Voice 5: to both chief jack and also a council member ken thomas about the letter that i uh sent to them

[1:16:57] Voice 5: in July

[1:16:58] Voice 5: about looking at that exemption P. So they haven't given opportunities I think if they

[1:17:06] Voice 5: really wanted to change the wording and they were here at the CIM and also the public hearing and I

[1:17:13] Voice 5: heard them in agreement for and I didn't hear hear them mention anything about changing the wording.

[1:17:20] Voice 5: So we do have to think about if we bring it back again what type of message are we sending to them

[1:17:27] Voice 5: again because they were here saying that they support it i just wanted to leave that out there

[1:17:32] Voice 5: or leave that on the table for discussion as well

[1:17:34] Voice 7: yeah no fair fair enough and i think that's that's

[1:17:37] Voice 7: a relevant point um uh i guess you know i come i come from a place where um i'm open to to that

[1:17:46] Voice 7: conversation but uh i hadn't really thought of it in in the sense that you sort of the way you just

[1:17:52] Voice 7: framed it out in advance so just

[1:17:55] Voice 5: a thinking point it's

[1:17:56] Voice 7: yeah yeah

[1:17:57] Voice 4: yeah i i get what you're saying

[1:18:00] Voice 4: there so i mean i think we went through the process we went through the whole process and

[1:18:06] Voice 4: you know like you say the technology chief of council we're at the meetings

[1:18:12] Voice 4: not just one meeting with numerous meetings and the at the public hearing of this document

[1:18:19] Voice 4: asked us to proceed with them including with the wording included in the document so for me it's

[1:18:26] Voice 4: you know we either yeah i'm prepared to receive i'm prepared to make a motion if you want and then

[1:18:34] Voice 4: we can vote on it see how it flies yeah

[1:18:37] Voice 5: i like the idea of just being an opportunity

[1:18:40] Voice 5: a great step but also possibly being a great stride for us that's not an lgc to work with

[1:18:48] Voice 5: nations that develop uh wording not suggesting to pay for but something that maybe could be in

[1:18:54] Voice 5: the preamble of our um our wcp um right like i think that would be maybe we can get there

[1:19:05] Voice 7: well and you know the other thing that occurs to me as as you were mentioning before that um

[1:19:15] Voice 7: that this is just one one uh bylaw of many and um and something well you know a bylaw like this

[1:19:31] Voice 7: can be amended in the future if there is um if there's a desire um and you know if better

[1:19:41] Voice 7: our language is is um identified especially in conversations with with first nations we could go

[1:19:48] Voice 7: back and change the the wording of of that exemption so um i mean that's a really good

[1:19:55] Voice 7: point and so in that sense and then based on on what what planner stockdale said and and what um

[1:20:04] Voice 7: trustee maberly has said actually i don't i i feel like if we proceed we're not we're not um

[1:20:11] Voice 7: at risk of of um causing effects there

[1:20:17] Voice 10: so

[1:20:18] Voice 7: and then i mean to me that's the biggest thing knowing that

[1:20:21] Voice 7: we can come back and and revisit any bylaw and amend parts of it especially something so distinct

[1:20:30] Voice 7: as a specific exemption yeah um

[1:20:33] Voice 7: so in that sense yeah we don't have

[1:20:36] Voice 5: comment from the minister how

[1:20:38] Voice 5: they would see this exemption aligning with the other exceptions as well for

[1:20:42] Voice 7: sure but but we don't

[1:20:45] Voice 7: know that's the point we don't get we don't get there yeah we don't get there until we've yeah

[1:20:50] Voice 7: and

[1:20:51] Voice 4: i think the point of going i mean this is not the last thing we're going to see if through

[1:20:57] Voice 4: and we're meeting with penelope on different issues but if as we develop this relationship

[1:21:02] Voice 4: i think as we come forward with something they may go and say hey we might want to just think about

[1:21:07] Voice 4: looking back on that the wording might not have been as good as it could have been but um

[1:21:12] Voice 4: having said all that i'm going to make a motion that the galliano island local trust committee

[1:21:18] Voice 4: proposed bylaw number 283 cited as galliano island official community plan number 108 1995

[1:21:24] Voice 4: amendment number one 2002 he amended as follows by adding the following wording to section 10

[1:21:31] Voice 4: after Exemption G to include a new development permit area, Exemption H, cutting and removal

[1:21:39] Voice 4: of trees with a trunk diameter less than 20 centimeters measured 1.5 meters above the

[1:21:45] Voice 4: ground by replacing Plan No. 2 Schedule G Development Permit Area 4 Groundwater Recharge

[1:21:53] Voice 4: Protection with an updated map attached to the staff report dated November 8, 2024, that

[1:22:01] Voice 4: the galliano island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 283 cited as galliano island official

[1:22:07] Voice 4: community plan bylaw number 108 1995 amendment number 2022 be read a second time as amended

[1:22:17] Voice 4: i think let's see results there

[1:22:19] Voice 7: yeah let's pause there and um would you like to second that

[1:22:24] Voice 9: yes okay so

[1:22:25] Voice 7: let's move and second it uh for the discussion

[1:22:28] Voice 7: all

[1:22:30] Voice 10: right

[1:22:33] Voice 7: that's all the questions all those in favor and that carries

[1:22:39] Voice 4: and so next is i'll move that

[1:22:42] Voice 4: galliano island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 284

[1:22:46] Voice 4: cited as galliano island land use bylaw number 127 1999

[1:22:51] Voice 4: amendment number 2022 be amended as follows by deleting section 2.4 in its entirety and

[1:23:01] Voice 4: replacing it with removing subsection 13.23 from part 13 subdivision and development regulations

[1:23:09] Voice 4: to section 2 regulations as a new subsection by replacing the word 16,000 with 18,000.

[1:23:16] Voice 4: by replacing the word property with lot in sections 2.1 and 2.3 i think we're

[1:23:23] Voice 4: we'll stop there i'll

[1:23:25] Voice 6: second or do

[1:23:26] Voice 7: i do the amended uh yeah we let's we should let's do

[1:23:30] Voice 7: the amendment first okay i moved accepted by trustee gavreau discussion not seeing any i'll

[1:23:37] Voice 7: call the question all those in favor and

[1:23:39] Voice 4: that carries i moved that the galliano island local

[1:23:43] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee proposed by-law number 284

[1:23:46] Voice 4: cited as Galliano Island land use by-law number 127, 1999.

[1:23:50] Voice 4: Amendment number one, 2022 be read a second time as amended.

[1:23:57] Voice 4: Seconded discussion.

[1:24:00] Voice 7: Not seeing

[1:24:01] Voice 4: any, I'll call the question.

[1:24:02] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[1:24:04] Voice 4: Carries.

[1:24:05] Voice 4: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:08] Voice 4: proposed by-law number 283

[1:24:10] Voice 4: cited as Galliano Island Official Community Plan

[1:24:13] Voice 4: bylaw number 108, 1995, amendment number one, 2022,

[1:24:18] Voice 4: be read a third time.

[1:24:20] Voice 4: Seconded.

[1:24:21] Voice 4: Discussion?

[1:24:23] Voice 4: I'll call the question, all those in favor?

[1:24:26] Voice 4: Carries.

[1:24:28] Voice 4: That the Galliano Island, I move that,

[1:24:29] Voice 4: the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:32] Voice 4: proposed bylaw numbers 283 and 284

[1:24:35] Voice 4: be forwarded to the Secretary of the Island's Trust

[1:24:38] Voice 4: for executive committee approval.

[1:24:41] Voice 4: Okay, did we get number six there?

[1:24:44] Voice 9: don't think so

[1:24:45] Voice 7: third time yeah uh

[1:24:47] Voice 7: well there was the community plan and then the land use

[1:24:50] Voice 7: pilot did we get them all right

[1:24:52] Voice 5: we didn't do six i don't think

[1:24:53] Voice 7: we did six we can do six yeah okay

[1:24:57] Voice 5: it's a lot of reading

[1:25:01] Voice 5: uh i think we have the galliano local trust committee uh proposed by law number uh 284

[1:25:06] Voice 5: cited as Galliano-Wyoming's

[1:25:08] Voice 5: Bylaw No. 172

[1:25:11] Voice 5: or sorry, 27

[1:25:12] Voice 5: 1999, Amendment

[1:25:14] Voice 5: No. 1, 2022

[1:25:16] Voice 5: be

[1:25:17] Voice 11: read at this time.

[1:25:18] Voice 7: We'll seconded

[1:25:20] Voice 7: discussion.

[1:25:22] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[1:25:25] Voice 7: Carries.

[1:25:25] Voice 7: I'll

[1:25:26] Voice 5: read the next.

[1:25:28] Voice 5: Galliano Local Trust Committee

[1:25:29] Voice 5: proposed Bylaw No. 283

[1:25:32] Voice 5: and 284 be forwarded to the

[1:25:34] Voice 5: Secretary of the Owls Trust for executive

[1:25:36] Voice 5: committee approval also

[1:25:38] Voice 7: seconded discussion all the questions all those in favor carries

[1:25:44] Voice 8: the

[1:25:46] Voice 5: last one that the galliano local trust committee proposed by law 283

[1:25:50] Voice 5: be forwarded to the minister municipal affairs for approval second

[1:25:54] Voice 7: move seconded uh discussion

[1:25:57] Voice 7: about the question all those in favor and that carries well done thank you very much

[1:26:05] Voice 7: Okay. Moving on, we have our work program reports, attached

[1:26:15] Voice 8: active reports at page 65.

[1:26:18] Voice 8: Anything from Glennis-Boxdale on that?

[1:26:21] Voice 5: No, not at this time, but I will go over to do a verbal review of the active projects for the next meeting.

[1:26:31] Voice 5: just in preparation for the recovery meeting when I come back with an awesome staff report

[1:26:37] Voice 5: on next steps for projects.

[1:26:38] Voice 7: Excellent and then we have our future projects report starting on page

[1:26:44] Voice 7: 66. The trust committee expense report at page 68. Did

[1:26:52] Voice 11: I

[1:26:53] Voice 7: miss something?

[1:26:55] Voice 5: No I was just

[1:26:56] Voice 5: I was just wondering about future projects, if you wanted to add more discussions around exemption fee in relation to the EPAs.

[1:27:06] Voice 4: Well, I think, you know, in the, during the public hearing, we committed to a OCP review of some kind.

[1:27:16] Voice 4: So I think it'd be worth having a discussion at a later date just to sort of do a framework on what that would look like.

[1:27:23] Voice 4: and then maybe thinking about our next project.

[1:27:28] Voice 4: Does that work for you?

[1:27:29] Voice 8: It works great.

[1:27:30] Voice 8: Yeah, okay.

[1:27:31] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:27:34] Voice 8: Great,

[1:27:38] Voice 7: where are we?

[1:27:38] Voice 7: Applications for a verbal update.

[1:27:44] Voice 5: Verbal update.

[1:27:45] Voice 5: I mentioned that the Crystal Mountain rezoning

[1:27:47] Voice 5: will be placed on the December agenda.

[1:27:50] Voice 5: Staff are hoping for the rezoning

[1:27:54] Voice 5: to participate by the 86th.

[1:27:56] Voice 5: so my goal is to get down to the february meeting as well as i want to be so thankful to bring that

[1:28:03] Voice 5: back for uh as well the effort has been working hard has provided all the requirements so i have

[1:28:10] Voice 5: to finalize a referral um to the crd as well so there will be a busy new year for the ltc

[1:28:23] Voice 8: thank

[1:28:24] Voice 7: you and then uh adopted policies and standing resolutions page 69

[1:28:35] Voice 7: local trust committee web page anything from anyone on that um

[1:28:39] Voice 5: yes i have something

[1:28:40] Voice 5: on my page i don't know if any of you checked the map it lately but it is

[1:28:47] Voice 5: portal available i think there's a link to it from the old site if you type in map it

[1:28:53] Voice 5: there's also an email address if you want to contact if you have any questions you can contact

[1:28:59] Voice 5: the staff about how that's changing yeah

[1:29:04] Voice 8: good point

[1:29:05] Voice 5: yes update um that our mapping program

[1:29:10] Voice 5: unfortunately um the older one has retired staff are working on updating the new we have a new gis

[1:29:19] Voice 5: mapping. It's called 3.0. We do have a very basic version internally, but I know they're really

[1:29:26] Voice 5: working hard on getting that provided externally on our website. The CityView portal mapping page

[1:29:35] Voice 5: isn't great. I'm fully aware of it. To the point that even a stack is frustrating. We have

[1:29:44] Voice 5: like an outdated mapping program that we can barely use and we when we can barely use unfortunately

[1:29:49] Voice 5: city view mapping isn't so great so we share the frustration and I have phrased many a times

[1:29:57] Voice 5: I know that our information

[1:30:00] Voice 5: services department is working hard that's a priority yeah it's my understanding

[1:30:07] Voice 5: yes email email

[1:30:09] Voice 5: okay thank

[1:30:16] Voice 7: you for that um we have no island's trust conservancy report uh

[1:30:21] Voice 7: bro anything to update no no

[1:30:24] Voice 11: other than they are wonderful people okay

[1:30:27] Voice 7: and um

[1:30:29] Voice 7: Um, uh, a new business, uh, under 18.1, we have the phase four community engagement options

[1:30:38] Voice 7: for the policy statement amendment projects, staff reports starting at, uh, page 74.

[1:30:45] Voice 7: And, uh, Planner Stockdale,

[1:30:48] Voice 8: can you hear us all?

[1:30:49] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:30:49] Voice 5: Um, our senior policy advisor, Jason Yeomans, uh, Yeomans just unfortunately couldn't, uh,

[1:30:56] Voice 5: zoom in today so he sends us the rest so it would be my best just for a quick overview

[1:31:01] Voice 5: um so this staff report is um giving options to the ltc in terms of local public engagement here

[1:31:10] Voice 5: on galliano um over the next six months regarding the items about the draft new policy statement

[1:31:18] Voice 5: and so there is a chart on page 75 of the staff report and it lists engagement options

[1:31:25] Voice 5: for the ltc to consider um it gives options in terms of a trust area services staff should be

[1:31:34] Voice 5: here um but budget implications and so forth so kind of starts off at number one as very like

[1:31:41] Voice 5: informal to going to number five where it's a specific community information meeting just on

[1:31:48] Voice 5: this topic with islands or trust area services staff here in attendance that would be more of an

[1:31:54] Voice 5: expensive option. So right now Trust Area Services is requesting the LTC to choose one of the five

[1:32:04] Voice 5: and then putting that option in the recommendation on page 74.

[1:32:14] Voice 7: Thank you for that and I'll add that

[1:32:20] Voice 7: there is of course the option of creating your very own locally appropriate approach if desired

[1:32:30] Voice 7: aren't on the skiddy for example um not wanting to uh drag staff out there but kind of enlighten

[1:32:39] Voice 7: the idea of an info booth we're gonna

[1:32:42] Voice 9: we're

[1:32:43] Voice 7: gonna do a trustee run info but that requires

[1:32:49] Voice 7: zero dollar dollars in advertising um and just the materials that we can you know borrow for

[1:32:56] Voice 7: the poster boards and the surveys and stuff that'll all reproduce so it's uh that's another

[1:33:04] Voice 7: they're they're a custom option is also available and this is where i'll turn it over to local

[1:33:10] Voice 7: trustees because you know your island best what level of um what level of these or combination

[1:33:18] Voice 7: thereof is is appropriate for galliano i'm going to

[1:33:22] Voice 4: go first on this because as anybody who's

[1:33:25] Voice 4: who's watched the Trust Council meetings

[1:33:27] Voice 4: when the Trust Policy Statement has come up,

[1:33:30] Voice 4: I have voted against every change

[1:33:32] Voice 4: to the draft of the Trust Policy Statement

[1:33:36] Voice 4: because the Trust Policy Statement draft

[1:33:40] Voice 4: was built in conjunction with local First Nations.

[1:33:45] Voice 4: At least 10 nations have been instrumental

[1:33:48] Voice 4: in the draft of the Trust Policy Statement.

[1:33:51] Voice 4: And Trust Council has incrementally

[1:33:56] Voice 4: removed a lot of the i would say a lot but it's incrementally removing um what i consider to be

[1:34:03] Voice 4: important parts of that document so i have voted against every motion to change the trust policy

[1:34:10] Voice 4: statement i will continue to do that until like i say nations are treated with respect in regards to

[1:34:22] Voice 4: the drafting of documents that affects their territories and so um talking about advertising

[1:34:34] Voice 4: a document that i fundamentally oppose at this point it's going to be a little bit premature for

[1:34:43] Voice 4: me um i've made a point to make sure that we hold the votes at trust council so that i can vote

[1:34:52] Voice 4: against this document and I will continue to do that and so I don't feel the documents worthy

[1:35:06] Voice 4: coming to the public if it's going to be cannibalized from its draft form.

[1:35:14] Voice 4: I let staff know I appreciate wholeheartedly the amount of work that staff put in

[1:35:21] Voice 4: to the draft of this document in conjunction with all of the nations and uh yeah so i don't

[1:35:34] Voice 4: know that i can say much more about that so i won't be choosing one okay

[1:35:41] Voice 5: yeah i remember that

[1:35:43] Voice 5: quite well

[1:35:47] Voice 5: um it was hard disheartening to see this beautiful package with all these comments

[1:35:54] Voice 5: on it to be disregarded by so many of the trustees i agree but i do agree that the community is

[1:36:02] Voice 5: curious if only understand what's in the trust policy statement since it is a document that's

[1:36:08] Voice 5: going to be drafted um as a directive and the policies that we would look to my point i think

[1:36:17] Voice 5: there's enough interest in the community for the information alone um and to make comment on it

[1:36:24] Voice 5: especially around things that we mentioned as well they would see a

[1:36:27] Voice 5: draft they wouldn't see

[1:36:28] Voice 5: the original draft right as we call that right but perhaps they could add that to a portion of it so

[1:36:35] Voice 5: they could see the comparison between that first draft and the good luck getting that vote through

[1:36:42] Voice 4: trust council well all right the

[1:36:44] Voice 4: reality is is you can you can share it's not those are public

[1:36:48] Voice 5: documents right yeah

[1:36:49] Voice 5: they're online so yeah um those

[1:36:52] Voice 5: documents are online and can be compiled

[1:36:54] Voice 5: for the community to see as well i think uh transparency in this especially with the trust

[1:36:59] Voice 5: policy statement it's paramount the community understands what's happening whether we like it

[1:37:06] Voice 1: or

[1:37:06] Voice 5: not we should be um transparent i think option two would possibly satisfy for our community

[1:37:18] Voice 5: a town hall i do know a lot of community members here are very knowledgeable and are active and

[1:37:24] Voice 5: and get their information from other sources

[1:37:26] Voice 5: in our own island, you know.

[1:37:30] Voice 5: And we look to those people to help,

[1:37:33] Voice 5: to help inform that community information

[1:37:35] Voice 5: or the town hall portion that we didn't have here.

[1:37:41] Voice 5: So I would

[1:37:42] Voice 9: be in favor of two,

[1:37:44] Voice 5: just because the community's got an opportunity as well

[1:37:48] Voice 5: to understand these documents and all of it.

[1:37:52] Voice 5: And I'm right with you, that was really heartbreaking.

[1:37:54] Voice 5: for you and to see it still continue yeah

[1:37:58] Voice 7: um i think one one thing we'd all do well to never

[1:38:04] Voice 7: underestimate is the willingness of trustees to wordsmith the heck out of everything

[1:38:12] Voice 11: um

[1:38:14] Voice 7: and i think like both of you i would have been perfectly satisfied to uh to advance

[1:38:22] Voice 7: the original draft as it was i would have been fine

[1:38:27] Voice 9: um

[1:38:28] Voice 7: right um given that and that it's not

[1:38:34] Voice 7: just the three of us who get to approve the policy statement i do think it's appropriate

[1:38:40] Voice 7: to have some level of presenting what is not just our document but the document that belongs

[1:38:47] Voice 7: to the trust council on a larger scale and uh if i may add

[1:38:53] Voice 5: in terms of the ltc schedule we do have

[1:38:57] Voice 5: to draft an ltc meeting schedule for next year and beginning of 2016. we have a meeting in february

[1:39:04] Voice 5: april and june and i know those lt meetings are going to be chock-a-block full with rezoning

[1:39:11] Voice 5: applications potentially a new project so adding this as a tally hall for a regular ltc meeting

[1:39:19] Voice 5: may not be the best bet you may want to have a separate cim

[1:39:22] Voice 5: i think

[1:39:25] Voice 4: the reality is that there's so much more um cutting and the trust council's not even close

[1:39:37] Voice 4: unfortunately no document so i i mean i i can't i mean we can we can hold on on this because uh

[1:39:47] Voice 4: there's we're not even yeah i would say not we we are we is not the word trust council

[1:39:57] Voice 7: well i don't know if either of you were at the

[1:40:00] Voice 7: we're yet the last yeah

[1:40:02] Voice 5: i don't know the details what does the council take it there's a there's

[1:40:06] Voice 7: another um committee of the whole in december i think we've made it through like four four points

[1:40:15] Voice 7: like essentially four of those little boxes in our

[1:40:20] Voice 7: three-hour meeting the other day so i i don't

[1:40:23] Voice 7: i don't think we're in a big hurry i know what trust area service wants us to provide them

[1:40:30] Voice 7: the flow with is what we're

[1:40:31] Voice 7: thinking about um the actual timing and the scheduling of it i think is

[1:40:36] Voice 7: yeah is

[1:40:37] Voice 7: it's pretty open-ended at this point especially since trust council has not finished

[1:40:43] Voice 7: meddling and messing around with with how they want collectively

[1:40:47] Voice 4: when you get a vote

[1:40:49] Voice 7: getting

[1:40:49] Voice 5: this draft out to the public is part of the project getting

[1:40:53] Voice 7: the draft out so so really

[1:40:55] Voice 7: what we're being asked is given the fact that this committee doesn't own the draft trust council does

[1:41:03] Voice 7: what does this committee think is is the most appropriate way to bring the draft to the public

[1:41:09] Voice 7: here and give the public an opportunity to to have a look at it and ask those questions to staff

[1:41:16] Voice 7: i

[1:41:16] Voice 5: think that's important opportunity i think i don't think we should i think the community needs

[1:41:22] Voice 5: that opportunity for sure um yeah i could note that in the uh referral in the comments back to

[1:41:32] Voice 5: first nations about the draft policy was the i was the sentiment that they understand this is not

[1:41:39] Voice 5: the final document that this is not this evergreen is going to keep morphing into

[1:41:45] Voice 5: and it's through public consultation i think that we'll actually get

[1:41:50] Voice 5: see those better strategies

[1:41:52] Voice 4: every time we consult with first nations and we disregard

[1:41:59] Voice 4: the information

[1:42:00] Voice 9: that they give us yeah and i think the public what

[1:42:03] Voice 4: good is the document

[1:42:05] Voice 4: right and so i'm aware that it's not that this draft document is going to go back from our

[1:42:10] Voice 4: consultation but we've already insulted in essence the first consultation process and then to come

[1:42:19] Voice 4: back to the different document that trust

[1:42:22] Voice 7: council thinks is better boy well and and not that it's

[1:42:27] Voice 7: going to give you any comfort but the um the reality and this is something i keep trying to

[1:42:34] Voice 7: bring up but committee is full uh i think i've done it every time so far is that the policy

[1:42:39] Voice 7: statement is not intended to be carved in stone and despite the fact that it's been way too long

[1:42:48] Voice 7: since he's had a substantial review um before we even got into this round if you go to the trust

[1:42:55] Voice 7: programs committee you'll see there's a follow-up action item that's been deferred which is brought

[1:43:01] Voice 7: by trustee peterson which is about the policy amendment policy statement amendment policy

[1:43:08] Voice 7: now we're supposed to be looking at the policy statement on a regular basis minimum once a term

[1:43:15] Voice 7: identifying where it needs review and and revision this is supposed to be an iterative process that

[1:43:22] Voice 7: happens at least once a term we should be doing this this hasn't been happening the moment the

[1:43:30] Voice 7: door is closed on this draft and it gets approved to get sent out to the public my focus on the

[1:43:37] Voice 7: policy statement is going back to the amendment policy and going what the heck we can't ever let

[1:43:43] Voice 7: it sit for 30 years untouched again the whole point of this the policy statement is it is

[1:43:49] Voice 7: supposed to be reviewed it's supposed to be an iterative document let's be updated and changed

[1:43:55] Voice 7: based on the realities around us and as we move into better space with reconciliation

[1:44:03] Voice 7: that is one of the spaces that i see that is prime territory for revising the policy statement on an

[1:44:13] Voice 7: an iterative basis every term so i think it's going to be the reality is we're never going to

[1:44:21] Voice 7: have a true this trust council is never we're never going to have everyone unanimous on any

[1:44:26] Voice 7: draft but the good news is is it's supposed to be worked on continually yeah so i and i'm going to

[1:44:35] Voice 7: be i know it doesn't give you any confidence because i said that at the start um but anyway

[1:44:40] Voice 7: what what should we tell uh trust area services in terms of of giving them some info the big thing

[1:44:47] Voice 7: here is that if we're going to do something that costs money trust area

[1:44:51] Voice 7: service wants to know about

[1:44:53] Voice 7: that um so that they can plan that

[1:44:56] Voice 5: we do webinars so well like they're really good but on island is

[1:45:02] Voice 5: what we're talking

[1:45:02] Voice 7: about there's all there's there's a larger plan this is the galliano specific

[1:45:08] Voice 7: specific um engagement on whatever the draft looks like by the time trust council's had its

[1:45:14] Voice 7: way with it

[1:45:15] Voice 4: i hate to even weigh in here but if we're going to do do something we should just

[1:45:19] Voice 4: have a community information meeting right now then i can rant at the community information

[1:45:26] Voice 4: yeah there you

[1:45:27] Voice 4: go yeah the

[1:45:29] Voice 5: policy statement is um as it is right now we're discussing things

[1:45:33] Voice 5: like climate change we're discussing you know um information of new policy so why not have the

[1:45:41] Voice 5: going on community it's always in that that's i guess

[1:45:43] Voice 9: we would be remiss if we did not so and then

[1:45:49] Voice 7: i heard the planner stock they'll say that our next three meetings at least are going to be

[1:45:55] Voice 7: chocolate block full um i would recommend we get this like

[1:46:00] Voice 4: in the fall next year i'm looking at

[1:46:04] Voice 5: sorry the stock report and it does say potentially yeah the engagement will happen between may and

[1:46:09] Voice 5: october yes

[1:46:11] Voice 7: so um so if it's between may and october we might be able to do it in conjunction

[1:46:19] Voice 7: with a regular ltc meeting potentially so do we want to just indicate that um option option two

[1:46:33] Voice 7: or option three what's what's

[1:46:36] Voice 4: the feeling here well i think it's it's important as we've gone

[1:46:42] Voice 4: through meetings at trust council and we've allowed staff to talk about the engagement process

[1:46:53] Voice 4: i think it's really important that staff is at our community information meeting

[1:47:00] Voice 4: okay that's an important part of where this is going so i think we're at number four number four

[1:47:11] Voice 9: uh yes yeah

[1:47:12] Voice 7: okay yeah so we've got a

[1:47:16] Voice 7: recommendation here um that you can we can plug in the relevant

[1:47:22] Voice 7: ltc and the relevant option number it's

[1:47:27] Voice 8: at the top of page 74 i believe okay i move

[1:47:31] Voice 5: move that the Galileo

[1:47:33] Voice 5: Local Trust Committee select engagement

[1:47:35] Voice 5: options for

[1:47:36] Voice 5: for phase four engagement,

[1:47:40] Voice 5: community engagement about the new

[1:47:41] Voice 5: draft IELTS trust policy

[1:47:43] Voice 5: statement.

[1:47:45] Moved.

[1:47:47] Mr. Chair,

[1:47:50] if I just might

[1:47:52] ask for a point of clarification

[1:47:54] Voice 4: and

[1:47:56] Voice 4: make a suggestion.

[1:47:58] Voice 7: What is option four?

[1:48:00] Voice 7: All right. Option four

[1:48:02] Voice 7: as a staff-led community information meeting prior to a regular local trust committee meeting

[1:48:07] Voice 7: and that that option means that we would have um trust area services staff at our meeting that

[1:48:15] Voice 7: are the folks that have done all the heavy lifting to get us to this point um rather than trying to

[1:48:20] Voice 7: get on our stock deal for example to explain the work of folks from an entirely different

[1:48:26] Voice 7: In

[1:48:27] Voice 4: the matter of timing, can I suggest that you consider something that two months after the adoption of the draft, that the community information, meaning the health and the inter-information on the draft and the community information, be circulated on the island?

[1:48:51] Voice 9: give

[1:48:52] Voice 4: an opportunity for people on the island to come to grips with whatever the draft is

[1:49:01] Voice 4: and perhaps whatever the draft has left out

[1:49:04] Voice 7: certainly now you need that you need an education

[1:49:08] Voice 7: yeah and i'll just let you know that it's going to be never going to allow you to see what was

[1:49:13] Voice 7: left out it's that's the problem well you'll have to do that work yourself or in conjunction with

[1:49:19] Voice 7: someone who wants to play pdf with you um we're not actually selecting the timing today we're just

[1:49:27] Voice 7: telling trust area services essentially yes we want you to come to one of our ltc meetings and

[1:49:34] Voice 7: present on the policy statement draft here that's basically what option four is

[1:49:40] Voice 6: so the policy of

[1:49:41] Voice 6: them project

[1:49:42] Voice 5: is all over the website there's a whole page yeah

[1:49:46] Voice 7: there's certainly lots that that

[1:49:48] Voice 7: that we can point you to on the earlier drafts

[1:49:51] Voice 7: are available and all of that sort of thing.

[1:49:54] Voice 7: And I'll

[1:49:55] Voice 4: just make the point.

[1:49:56] Voice 4: I don't believe this policy statement is done in my term.

[1:50:03] Voice 4: There's no chance.

[1:50:04] Voice 4: The

[1:50:04] Voice 8: project has it next term.

[1:50:06] Voice 4: Yeah, there's no chance this is getting completed, right?

[1:50:10] Voice 4: It's such a mess at the beginning, prior,

[1:50:13] Voice 4: and it's

[1:50:14] Voice 4: still a mess.

[1:50:15] Voice 7: Okay, so we have a motion.

[1:50:16] Voice 7: motion I don't know that I don't know that I convinced

[1:50:20] Voice 7: you to to to second it so I'll second it

[1:50:23] Voice 7: um at any further discussion no Jennifer can

[1:50:29] Voice 5: I just ask that if you give consideration to not

[1:50:33] Voice 5: doing it as part of an LTC meeting that had a separate meeting it

[1:50:37] Voice 7: would be prior to yeah I'm

[1:50:40] Voice 7: going to think what we're trying to do is we did we we'd have the session on the policy statement

[1:50:46] Voice 7: and then we would after that we would move into our regular meeting so it wouldn't be like in the

[1:50:51] Voice 7: middle of it we

[1:50:52] Voice 8: haven't passed the motion yet yeah

[1:50:54] Voice 4: but i mean it's it's it's it's if we're going to

[1:50:58] Voice 4: be doing this in the fall it's so early in the process it's more it'll be everybody will get

[1:51:04] Voice 4: a copy of the policy statement and it's fun

[1:51:09] Voice 5: people should be able to look at the different

[1:51:11] Voice 5: their drafts

[1:51:12] Voice 4: yeah they are public absolutely

[1:51:14] Voice 7: they are public now and all of that stuff

[1:51:17] Voice 7: all of that stuff if anybody wants any help locating that let us know um god knows i've

[1:51:26] Voice 7: got every draft that we've done sitting on this computer um

[1:51:31] Voice 5: trustee

[1:51:32] Voice 7: give her up

[1:51:32] Voice 5: uh it notes here

[1:51:33] Voice 5: that spring 2025 for fall 2025 is the the time allotted was allotted towards public engagement

[1:51:41] Voice 5: on this so we're in that time frame yeah

[1:51:45] Voice 3: there'll

[1:51:46] Voice 5: be a lot of public engagement

[1:51:50] Voice 8: anything further on the motion absolutely

[1:51:53] Voice 7: okay i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:51:57] Voice 7: and any of those i want to pose it okay thank you for that okay so moving right along here

[1:52:11] Voice 7: on page 79 we have a draft meeting schedule for 2025-26 and of course we can never know

[1:52:22] Voice 7: in advance we're going to do our

[1:52:25] Voice 4: best yes sir i don't see any northern community

[1:52:27] Voice 4: yeah

[1:52:29] Voice 5: that was left out um in order for the ltc to have a discussion if it would continue to like

[1:52:36] Voice 5: have one or two meetings up in North Hall

[1:52:38] Voice 5: considering the Wi-Fi has

[1:52:40] Voice 5: not been

[1:52:41] Voice 5: great.

[1:52:43] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:52:46] Voice 5: Is there

[1:52:47] Voice 7: a plan for it?

[1:52:48] Voice 5: What

[1:52:48] Voice 7: we can also do is we can do

[1:52:50] Voice 7: we can

[1:52:52] Voice 7: next

[1:52:52] Voice 5: time we go

[1:52:54] Voice 7: next time we go and do that we won't even

[1:52:56] Voice 2: try streaming.

[1:52:57] Voice 7: We'll just

[1:52:58] Voice 7: record the meeting.

[1:52:59] Voice 2: We

[1:53:00] Voice 7: won't even bother trying to stream it again.

[1:53:02] Voice 7: We tried it twice. It didn't work.

[1:53:04] Voice 7: but we can

[1:53:05] Voice 7: still just record it and then the video could go up online it just won't be streamed

[1:53:09] Voice 7: it'll be like the

[1:53:10] Voice 7: olden days of five six years ago i will

[1:53:15] Voice 7: make a comment

[1:53:15] Voice 4: it's easier for

[1:53:17] Voice 4: canalic to attend meetings in the summertime for weather and daylight everything like that so are

[1:53:23] Voice 5: there one or two meeting dates you'd like to suggest to move to the north end two or more

[1:53:28] Voice 5: i

[1:53:28] Voice 4: would do i would do june and july right

[1:53:31] Voice 5: june

[1:53:32] Voice 7: and july great okay and other than that anything else

[1:53:42] Voice 4: is that that that's okay with that yeah absolutely

[1:53:46] Voice 9: okay

[1:53:48] Voice 7: then and i'll make a motion and then just throw uh amended after schedule and we're good

[1:53:59] Voice 7: to go schedule uh there's the there's the there's the uh if you go to the front page of the agenda

[1:54:08] Voice 7: there's a motion there oh I

[1:54:11] Voice 4: see yeah I just put

[1:54:12] Voice 7: amended after the board schedule

[1:54:14] Voice 4: and I think

[1:54:14] Voice 4: that does I move that the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee adopt the 2025-26 regular meeting

[1:54:20] Voice 4: schedule amended schedule for the next fiscal year as proposed by staff that'll do

[1:54:27] Voice 7: yeah move

[1:54:28] Voice 7: second further discussion well the question all those in favor and that carries for that

[1:54:37] Voice 7: right we have uh another town hall session here um so i'll just look to

[1:54:43] Voice 8: the look and see if there's anything we'd like to address a little trust me yes

[1:54:51] Voice 11: um i would like to

[1:54:53] Voice 6: ask again about

[1:54:55] Voice 5: a little bit more about the december 17th meeting

[1:55:02] Voice 5: in terms of who would be going from, is it going to be an in-person meeting, who would

[1:55:11] Voice 5: be going in terms of staff and LTC, and then is there an agenda, a suggested agenda from

[1:55:18] the LTC side, what

[1:55:22] Voice 11: would they like to discuss with staff and LTC?

[1:55:29] Voice 7: so i'll start off um everyone you see here at the table um and um regional planning manager kojima

[1:55:39] Voice 7: and is brad smith maybe going to come or do we don't know um

[1:55:44] Voice 5: no because the purpose of the

[1:55:45] Voice 5: discussion is 85 and 86.

[1:55:47] Voice 7: okay so uh so so us and the regional planning manager robert kojima

[1:55:52] Voice 7: and we're invited to it's the penelaket's chief and council meeting um the items we're intending

[1:56:00] Voice 7: to discuss uh planners doctor just just mentioned there that those those dl's up in the north

[1:56:07] Voice 7: and um i don't think other than that there would be no agenda i don't think i mean i know they have

[1:56:15] Voice 7: a council i'm sure they have a council agenda um i don't know if they're intent what they're

[1:56:22] Voice 7: intending to do other business at that day or not it's kind of beside the point because it's

[1:56:28] Voice 7: in this case it's their meeting that we're being invited to um so if they may want to bring up

[1:56:35] Voice 7: other topics and discuss them if so we don't know yet but we are going to be discussing those those

[1:56:41] Voice 7: uh rezoning applications and

[1:56:44] Voice 6: not crystal mountain we're

[1:56:48] Voice 4: getting a staff report on the december

[1:56:50] Voice 4: meeting which is before the meeting with with the chief of council they're

[1:56:56] Voice 6: generally really busy

[1:56:57] Voice 6: agendas

[1:56:58] Voice 5: so they make time out for other people it's for specifics right yeah it's

[1:57:05] Voice 5: not it's a

[1:57:06] Voice 5: once a month meeting yeah

[1:57:08] Voice 7: no i and yeah i mean that's why i say i don't know if they have

[1:57:12] Voice 7: i'm sure they have plenty of other business and i don't know what portion of that meeting you know

[1:57:19] Voice 7: is it's going to be relevant to in terms of galliano ltc stephen uh i'm just going to ask

[1:57:24] whether or not you think there is any appetite for following through one suggestion that came

[1:57:30] up last cip

[1:57:31] Voice 4: and that was to see if you could find a mechanism to get the panelica and their knowledge

[1:57:39] Voice 4: in terms of water on the island actually involved in either management or administration of the

[1:57:48] Voice 4: ground to walk the bylaws you know to my mind that would be a far more meaningful step towards

[1:57:58] reconciliation as opposed to just a uh a wording across bible that i

[1:58:07] Voice 4: think is also very necessary

[1:58:09] Voice 4: but this further you know more concrete step i think should be explored i don't know whether

[1:58:16] Voice 4: the penelope to have any interest in following through on something like that or not i think

[1:58:25] Voice 4: we committed during the uh the community hearing to to proceed with a joint ocp review which would

[1:58:35] Voice 4: include the penelope yeah and so i think there's there's a really good opportunity during that

[1:58:39] Voice 4: process to come in to make things like this happen yeah i i was thinking of something more specific

[1:58:46] Voice 4: specific that was raised just recently, as well as the larger OCP review, is there a

[1:58:54] Voice 4: mechanism, and it's probably going to be very difficult, but to involve an advocate in ongoing

[1:59:02] Voice 4: management of specific violence?

[1:59:06] Voice 7: And my thought on that would be it would have a lot to do with do they have the interest?

[1:59:15] Voice 7: Do they have the capacity and those are real questions they have lots going on in the rest

[1:59:27] Voice 7: of their territory in terms of you know lots of different stuff so those are probably the

[1:59:34] Voice 7: two biggest questions that we can't answer on their behalf.

[1:59:38] Voice 7: At the last

[1:59:39] Voice 4: trust council I made a motion to have staff investigate the section 7 agreements

[1:59:45] Voice 4: under UNDRIFT, which would allow a local trust committee to sign an agreement with a nation.

[1:59:54] Voice 4: So we need to know how that would work.

[1:59:56] Voice 4: But something like that would definitely allow us to sign a working agreement.

[2:00:00] Voice 4: agreements with with the penelope tribe and so we'll see when we when we have trust council

[2:00:05] Voice 4: in december and what staff comes back up okay

[2:00:11] Voice 8: anything else

[2:00:12] Voice 9: today yes sir

[2:00:14] Voice 5: um just a comment

[2:00:38] Voice 11: I think it's terrible to keep it going.

[2:00:46] Voice 11: It's not going to take four years before we get a final decision.

[2:00:52] Voice 11: Because the decisions you make can be quick, quick.

[2:00:57] Voice 11: So the person doing it for a while isn't going to respond to it.

[2:01:01] Voice 11: Because a meeting in one month, you didn't do it.

[2:01:05] Voice 11: what? Well, you know, that's what happened in a couple of years. And in the meantime,

[2:01:12] Voice 11: illegal for the husband going on just like this was illegal. So we're getting that question.

[2:01:27] Voice 11: As long as we get some going on, it's something to look forward to.

[2:01:38] Voice 4: I think you know when you look at this application I think um so everybody has the sort of information

[2:01:45] Voice 4: that we got today it's really going to be important for the applicant to make sure that

[2:01:54] Voice 4: the community and not just a larger community in whole but the local community to this application

[2:02:00] Voice 4: understand what he's trying to do and addressing those concerns so there's a lot of work for him

[2:02:09] Voice 4: to do through our process as well right so I'm looking I'm looking forward to it it's because

[2:02:16] Voice 4: I agree with you these I mean we're really hoping that the CRD is breaking ground next year on the

[2:02:27] Voice 4: the one beside Page Drive

[2:02:30] Voice 4: but

[2:02:31] Voice 4: we've been really hoping for a long

[2:02:33] Voice 4: time

[2:02:34] Voice 4: and you know better than anybody

[2:02:37] Voice 4: Hey,

[2:02:43] Voice 7: anyone else?

[2:02:48] Voice 7: Alright, well our next

[2:02:50] Voice 7: regular meeting is scheduled for

[2:02:52] Voice 7: December 10th at the

[2:02:53] Voice 7: South Community Hall

[2:02:55] Voice 7: and

[2:02:56] Voice 7: look forward to seeing

[2:02:59] Voice 7: any of you there, I hope

[2:03:01] Voice 7: and with that, we can call for adjournment

[2:03:05] Voice 9: All right. Thank you, everyone.