Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, November 14, 2024

[0:00:38] Voice 7: live stream okay

[0:00:39] Voice 4: i'd like to call the meeting to order please thank you um welcome to the

[0:00:50] sultan island local trust committee meeting

[0:00:53] Voice 4: for november

[0:00:54] Voice 8: 14th

[0:00:55] Voice 6: i want to begin our meeting today

[0:00:59] Voice 6: by acknowledging that we're grateful to be gathering in the territories of coach salish

[0:01:04] Voice 6: peoples

[0:01:04] Voice 14: the keepers of these lands and waters since time immemorial falling is a quote from

[0:01:11] Voice 14: the First Nations

[0:01:12] Voice 4: Leadership Council, a paper, a priorities paper on the United Nations Declaration

[0:01:21] Voice 4: Act, an actual action plan from May of 2023. While all First Nations in Canada have been subjected

[0:01:29] to oppression and colonization, some of the historic expressions of colonization have been

[0:01:35] Voice 6: distinct in different regions most fundamental in this regard is that unlike much of canada

[0:01:41] Voice 6: in british columbia there are a few treaties the pre-confederation treaties on vancouver island

[0:01:46] Voice 6: part of treaty eight and a handful of modern treaties given this reality in british columbia

[0:01:53] Voice 6: a primary focus of first nation crown relations has been and continues to be completing the

[0:01:59] Voice 6: unfinished work of structuring the proper relations that respect first nations sovereignty

[0:02:03] Voice 6: including their governments, laws, jurisdiction, and inherent title and rights.

[0:02:08] Voice 4: This necessarily requires some different actions and approaches

[0:02:11] Voice 4: than the work that is required in other areas of Canada.

[0:02:17] Voice 4: End of quote.

[0:02:21] Land and territory acknowledgments are important today

[0:02:24] because colonialism

[0:02:25] Voice 6: is not just a historical problem,

[0:02:27] Voice 6: it's ongoing in the present day.

[0:02:30] First Nations title, although recognized in Canadian law,

[0:02:34] has yet to significantly shape First Nations and Canadian relationships in many areas.

[0:02:43] Voice 4: All of us are encouraged to pursue further education in pre-colonial First Nations culture,

[0:02:49] Voice 6: the

[0:02:49] Voice 4: exploitation of First Nations people through

[0:02:52] Voice 6: colonialism and structured oppression

[0:02:54] enacted through the Indian Act and the 500-plus years of First Nations and Indigenous resistance

[0:02:59] Voice 6: to colonialism

[0:03:00] Voice 6: that is still very active across Canada and internationally.

[0:03:03] Voice 6: Ashley. And this is the context in which we find ourselves today. While the Islands Trust has

[0:03:10] Voice 6: expressed a commitment to meaningful reconciliation, legislation still limits the degree to which

[0:03:16] Voice 6: full inclusion of Indigenous governing bodies and decision-making can be achieved. The recent

[0:03:21] Voice 6: request to the province for review by the Islands Trust Council highlights the importance of aligning

[0:03:28] Voice 6: the

[0:03:28] Voice 4: Islands Trust Act with the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act of 2019 as a

[0:03:34] Voice 4: precursor to

[0:03:35] Voice 6: any form of meaningful co-governance in the meantime it's important that we listen

[0:03:41] Voice 6: acknowledge the truth and commit to be better to be better neighbors and to work together to

[0:03:47] Voice 6: build strong and enduring relationships so uh my name is tim peterson i'm elected on the speedy

[0:03:58] Voice 6: island and the chair of the salt spring island local trust committee uh with me today are local

[0:04:03] Voice 6: local trustees, Laura Patrick,

[0:04:06] Voice 6: and online trustee, Jamie Harris.

[0:04:10] Voice 6: And together we comprise

[0:04:11] the Sulphur Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:04:15] Voice 6: Also with us today are CRD Director, Kerry Holman,

[0:04:20] Voice 14: and LCC Chair, Earl Rook.

[0:04:23] Voice 6: Appreciate you being here.

[0:04:24] Voice 6: As well as staff,

[0:04:29] Voice 6: R.P.M. Hutton, would you do the staff introductions?

[0:04:32] Voice 6: Sure. So we

[0:04:36] Voice 4: have Rob Pingel, Legislative Clerk, Oluwasego Garuba, Planner, and Sarah Sugar is also here taking minutes.

[0:04:46] Voice 6: Thank you for that. So we have

[0:04:49] Voice 4: an agenda before

[0:04:50] Voice 6: us, and I'll

[0:04:50] Voice 4: look to trustees to see if there's any additions or changes to today's agenda. Trustee Patrick?

[0:04:58] Voice 4: um

[0:04:59] Voice 15: i

[0:05:00] Voice 4: know under 15 one award program update

[0:05:03] Voice 5: there was a staff report pending but we don't have it

[0:05:06] Voice 5: but i assume that was about the ocp project and i

[0:05:09] Voice 4: was wondering if we could add into that item

[0:05:10] Voice 4: a conversation about c2c funding um on the deadline of december 6th

[0:05:18] Voice 4: okay and the other would be to add a discussion or add the baker road beach area

[0:05:28] i promise and

[0:05:31] Voice 4: i don't know if that's in business 15.5 i think new business would be the place for

[0:05:37] Voice 4: that all right and

[0:05:43] Voice 6: then i have one item which is um uh we

[0:05:48] Voice 4: didn't get an rwm to schedule our

[0:05:52] Voice 4: lcc meeting so i'll put that under um put that under the next meeting section or yeah

[0:06:07] Voice 6: Okay, so anything else on for today's agenda, trustee Harris Harris, I

[0:06:22] Voice 4: think you may have

[0:06:23] Voice 4: his camera.

[0:06:30] Voice 4: Hopefully trustee Harris can hear us speak if he has anything to add to the agenda conversation.

[0:06:39] Voice 10: Yes, I can hear you.

[0:06:40] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:06:40] Voice 10: and

[0:06:42] Voice 6: so other than that i take it by consent that we will adopt the agenda as amended

[0:06:50] Voice 6: so next we have the town hall and questions section town hall is opportunity

[0:07:01] Voice 4: for members

[0:07:02] Voice 4: of the public to address

[0:07:04] Voice 6: questions and comments to the local trust committee

[0:07:08] Voice 6: your questions and comments are valued and help us make decision good decisions

[0:07:14] Voice 6: When addressing the local trust committee we request the director comments to the local trust committee members, not other members of the public or staff, speak about issues, not individuals, be concise, clear, and use respectful language.

[0:07:32] Voice 6: And so with that, I will look for a show of hands and see who would like to address the local trust committee.

[0:07:40] Okay.

[0:07:41] Voice 6: I see a number of hands. I'm going to start at the front row on this end. For those who are going to be viewing the recording, either streaming or later, if you can stand a little bit closer to this camera, then folks online might be able to hear you.

[0:07:58] Voice 6: Don't have to be in the front of it, but just sort of over by the table there or somewhere would be great.

[0:08:05] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:08:05] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:08:06] Voice 6: Great. That's excellent.

[0:08:07] Voice 15: I'm Jean Wilkinson, 1395 Bettis Road, and I am very concerned about the Baker Beach

[0:08:16] Voice 15: proposal, as I know a number of people here are, and I know that you've received some

[0:08:21] Voice 15: excellent letters.

[0:08:22] Voice 15: I share the concerns outlined in them, but the point I want to make today really follows

[0:08:26] Voice 15: up, Tim, from your acknowledgement, and that is that the Penelika people have not been

[0:08:32] Voice 15: properly informed, consulted, or involved in the discussion of this project.

[0:08:37] Voice 15: And I think that's really appalling in this day and age.

[0:08:40] Voice 15: They did find out a little bit about it fairly recently,

[0:08:43] Voice 15: but in talking to one of the council members for Penelakut,

[0:08:46] Voice 15: they're not happy with being left out of that process.

[0:08:51] Voice 15: And they're certainly not happy with the idea of a beach

[0:08:53] Voice 15: where they go clammy being disturbed and buried in gravel.

[0:08:59] Voice 15: So that was the point I wanted to make

[0:09:01] Voice 15: is that the consultation and free prior informed consent

[0:09:05] Voice 15: with First Nations has not occurred in this issue as well as all the other ecological and community

[0:09:11] Voice 15: issues involved in the problem.

[0:09:15] Voice 6: Thank you for that. Next. My

[0:09:24] Voice 4: name is Maxine Leichter and I'm

[0:09:27] Voice 4: here today representing Keep Sourcing Sustainable and Positively Forward to address an item that's

[0:09:33] Voice 4: on your agenda uh before i start i

[0:09:37] Voice 13: just want to say that we of course support uh protection for

[0:09:40] Voice 13: baker beach and all the people that are here today on that issue and i hope you'll take some action

[0:09:45] Voice 4: uh to help protect the beach um so i'm here to talk about uh what is uh in the staff report

[0:09:52] Voice 4: has been called a variance but it's actually a zone change the owners want to build a new house

[0:09:58] Voice 4: on a lot and they've asked for permission to make the existing house a cottage rented out

[0:10:05] Voice 4: full-time the current zoning allows only a seasonal cottage not a full-time rental that's

[0:10:12] Voice 4: why it's a zone change because it's a different use on the property and we urge you to deny this

[0:10:18] Voice 4: zone change because it is not consistent with ocp policy b 2.1.2.1 which states zone changes should

[0:10:29] Voice 4: be avoided they're likely to result in a larger island population than expected etc you're sure

[0:10:36] Voice 4: you're familiar with this policy exceptions to this policy are to be few and minor and only

[0:10:42] Voice 4: to achieve affordable housing and other objectives of the plan. So this rezoning

[0:10:50] Voice 4: would also be inconsistent with trust policy statement 525, which says that local trust

[0:10:57] Voice 4: committees should, in their bylaws, address efficient use of the land base without exceeding

[0:11:06] Voice 4: density limits that may be defined in their official scheme. So density increases are only

[0:11:14] Voice 4: allowed for affordable housing, and this zone change is not for affordable housing. For one

[0:11:20] Voice 4: thing, there's no legally binding agreement proposed to guarantee that the cots will be

[0:11:25] Voice 4: rented full-time. And as you know, it's very common on our island, even when places are rented, that

[0:11:31] Voice 4: they're rented for the winter, people are asked to move out in the summer. There's no legally

[0:11:37] Voice 4: binding agreement that the cottage will be rented at an affordable rate.

[0:11:41] Voice 4: So how is it affordable housing? So we're

[0:11:46] Voice 4: urging you to not allow this.

[0:11:50] Voice 4: So one additional point, since this is an oceanfront property,

[0:11:54] Voice 4: there's a possibility that it may be a First Nations archaeological

[0:11:57] Voice 4: site. The staff recommends leaving this determination

[0:12:01] Voice 4: to the construction crew, who are unlikely to have the expertise

[0:12:06] Voice 4: to identify such a site and we suggest that before construction begins and this would be

[0:12:12] Voice 4: of the new house that they're going to build that a survey be conducted by a qualified

[0:12:17] Voice 4: professional archaeologist i was asked to say remember grace thank you thank you next

[0:12:30] Voice 3: um i

[0:12:31] Voice 3: don't know if i'm actually allowed to present the little three minute thing that i wrote because

[0:12:36] Voice 3: because it's about an individual, which is me,

[0:12:40] Voice 3: and the impact on me of my lack of access to permits.

[0:12:49] Voice 4: Have you

[0:12:50] Voice 4: listed as a delegation?

[0:12:52] Voice 3: Yeah, so I'm doing a delegation.

[0:12:55] Voice 3: So

[0:12:55] Voice 4: is this in addition to the delegation?

[0:12:57] Voice 3: Yes, it's in support of the delegation,

[0:13:00] Voice 3: and it's just an explanation of the situation.

[0:13:08] Voice 3: And as your constituent, I thought it would be okay

[0:13:14] Voice 3: because you're elected to represent us.

[0:13:18] Voice 3: And I think it's important for you to know

[0:13:21] Voice 3: how the lack of permits really impacts people.

[0:13:25] Voice 4: But I'm also okay not presenting it

[0:13:27] Voice 4: if it doesn't fit with any of the rules.

[0:13:33] Voice 4: I don't see a problem with that.

[0:13:37] Voice 4: Okay, okay, okay.

[0:13:40] Voice 4: So, sorry.

[0:13:43] Voice 4: I'm not crying on purpose.

[0:13:46] Voice 3: My lack of access to permits has placed me, my family,

[0:13:52] Voice 3: and the couple who live on my land

[0:13:54] Voice 4: in a dangerous position.

[0:13:56] Voice 4: Having been effectively denied for the past seven years

[0:13:59] Voice 4: for much-needed economic resilience,

[0:14:01] Voice 4: resilience which would have come from being allowed to use my land in ways which provide

[0:14:05] Voice 3: stepping stones to conformity and now with no way to make the cutthroat second mortgage payment

[0:14:11] Voice 3: I am on the precipice of losing my land. Usually when I come to present to the trust

[0:14:18] Voice 4: I tell my mom

[0:14:20] Voice 4: and I circulate the presentation to the community but I don't want my mom to know how bad things are

[0:14:26] Voice 4: or my community in our culture being in dire straits no matter the cause of it is shameful

[0:14:35] Voice 3: people will with wealth are viewed as worthy humans and people facing poverty as unworthy

[0:14:41] Voice 3: failures so last month I did something extremely shameful as a parent I borrowed money from my son

[0:14:49] Voice 3: for the mortgage the job I had lined up got postponed so I've been unable to find it back

[0:14:55] Voice 3: and he's struggling to pay his own mortgage. My hopes and dreams to have a stable home and

[0:15:03] Voice 3: place to make sculptures and to offer classes and sustainable skills

[0:15:07] Voice 4: have been dashed against

[0:15:09] Voice 4: the rocks of what's known as a bureaucracy of no. I carry the emotional scars and financial debt

[0:15:20] Voice 3: resulting from a combination of years of what I consider persecutory enforcement

[0:15:26] Voice 3: enforcement and being denied economic resilience because the trust permissions have been out of my

[0:15:32] Voice 3: reach. All I have is my land, a couple of pieces of machinery, and I'm faced with losing all of it.

[0:15:39] Voice 4: At the same time, I absolutely refuse to lose everything. I've worked so hard my whole life

[0:15:46] Voice 4: and tried to do everything right. I gave up my lucrative Airbnb house in the city seven years

[0:15:53] Voice 4: ago to invest in here because local authorities claimed the Airbnb was causing homelessness.

[0:16:01] Voice 4: I believed from what I knew about Salt Spring zoning and could read in the bylaws

[0:16:07] Voice 4: that I would be allowed to offer visitor accommodation on my new Salt Spring land.

[0:16:11] Voice 3: Now someone else runs my ex-house as an Airbnb, I can't go home and I desperately need the

[0:16:19] Voice 3: permissions from you which I can't afford. I'm here to ask you to accept my TUP application and

[0:16:26] Voice 3: start processing it and shield me from enforcement while I go through your process. Once I've been

[0:16:33] Voice 3: able to get on my feet with some income from visiting accommodation then charging the outstanding

[0:16:38] Voice 3: fees. While the guys are still working the slight dip in the economy has meant that the excavating

[0:16:47] Voice 3: and septic company that i started has had no business for the past three months yet my fixed

[0:16:53] Voice 3: costs for work safety contractors insurance mortgage etc have continued and with no visitor

[0:17:01] Voice 3: accommodation income on the horizon i cannot even get a short-term investor to help bridge the

[0:17:07] Voice 3: shortfall

[0:17:08] Voice 4: and i

[0:17:09] Voice 4: have no way of paying my mortgage in two weeks i'm

[0:17:17] Voice 6: gonna go through the hands on

[0:17:19] Voice 6: this side and it did some hands on this side as well but i think i saw some more hands further

[0:17:23] Voice 6: back over here if you just want to come

[0:17:26] Voice 4: up a little bit closer here great it's hard to speak

[0:17:38] Voice 4: i find i can't hear people when they're talking to you okay the crowd yeah

[0:17:53] Voice 4: no i understand

[0:17:54] Voice 4: so maybe

[0:17:55] Voice 6: what might work is if you sort of come a little bit closer to this tripod here and

[0:18:01] Voice 6: you could maybe do sort of like there's a moment hopefully both

[0:18:07] Voice 4: of us can hear you don't have much

[0:18:09] Voice 4: to say sorry um

[0:18:10] Voice 15: my name is diana thompson i'm a human salt spray um i'm presenting to a petition

[0:18:20] Voice 15: petition that a few of us started together, but it's under my name. It's a petition to put a hold

[0:18:29] Voice 15: on a project on Baker Beach Road. It asks for 85 dump truck loads. 85. That's a lot. A lot of

[0:18:41] Voice 15: material. Crushed rock,

[0:18:44] Voice 4: gravel, and silt. And not silt, sand. Not salt. That's my mistake.

[0:18:50] Voice 4: Our petition asks for a hold on what they're doing until we know more.

[0:18:58] Voice 4: It asks for the study of the marine environment, it asks for open meetings, and for inter-

[0:19:05] Voice 4: independent reviews of the project that are easily accessible.

[0:19:10] Voice 4: The open meetings, we've also asked First Nations involvement.

[0:19:15] Voice 4: It says there in the petition and the wording on the petition

[0:19:18] Voice 15: is on the first page.

[0:19:21] Voice 15: Petitions only go not until October 21st but we have 1065 people who have written on it

[0:19:31] Voice 15: and I'm presenting that to you here today. 74 comments and most the majority of the people

[0:19:40] Voice 15: that signed this are from the islands Salt Spring and the other islands in Vancouver Island.

[0:19:47] Voice 15: debbie

[0:19:48] Voice 4: magnuson will be talking to you more on this on this uh giving you more information

[0:19:53] Voice 4: later on but right now i'd like to i was going to present it to jamie jamie too but i'll present it

[0:20:00] Voice 4: okay thank

[0:20:08] Voice 6: you and then there was at least one more speaker on this side of the room

[0:20:11] Voice 6: i'm

[0:20:18] Voice 13: kathleen nacer a resident at 145 no 542 channel ridge drive here on the island um my

[0:20:29] Voice 13: what i'm going to read to you is a response which has been prepared by david denny and submitted by

[0:20:37] Voice 13: the entire steering committee of the nature salt spring of nature salt spring this is a response

[0:20:43] Voice 13: to the proposed Baker Beach Shoreline Modification Initiative.

[0:20:47] Voice 13: So Nature's Soul Spring is a grassroots organization

[0:20:49] Voice 13: on Soul Spring Island dedicated to nature education,

[0:20:53] Voice 13: conservation, and restoration of natural ecosystems.

[0:20:57] Voice 13: We have examined the proposal for foreshore modification

[0:21:01] Voice 13: at Baker Beach, as well as the DFO request for review document,

[0:21:06] Voice 13: and we strongly object to any alterations involving

[0:21:10] Voice 13: involving intertidal areas of Baker Beach.

[0:21:14] Voice 13: We believe it is inappropriate to consider

[0:21:16] Voice 13: major industrial scale modifications

[0:21:18] Voice 13: of the intertidal areas of Baker Beach

[0:21:21] Voice 13: described in these project proposals.

[0:21:23] Voice 13: Instead, we support a staged approach

[0:21:27] Voice 13: that would only allow consideration

[0:21:29] Voice 13: of significant beach modifications

[0:21:32] Voice 13: several years after all land-based remediation work

[0:21:35] Voice 13: has been implemented and thoroughly assessed.

[0:21:38] Voice 13: We have concerns that the intertidal industrial scale modifications proposed by this project

[0:21:44] Voice 13: will damage the integrity of the intertidal beach ecosystems and extensive near-shore

[0:21:49] Voice 13: eelgrass bed ecosystems, both as a consequence of moving and placing materials on the beach

[0:21:56] Voice 13: and the long-term effects of materials redistributing out across the intertidal areas.

[0:22:01] Voice 13: areas. Our view is that the proposed intertidal modifications have a high likelihood of damaging

[0:22:08] Voice 13: a fish nesting habitat as significant as any forage fish habitat. On the other hand,

[0:22:16] Voice 13: we enthusiastically support the approach of above shoreline remediation efforts and would be happy

[0:22:21] Voice 13: to work with the Transition Salt Spring Native Plant Stewardship Working Group. So Baker Beach

[0:22:27] Voice 13: is a spectacular and unique wildlife fish interaction hot spot. Baker Beach is a popular

[0:22:35] Voice 13: spot to visit at low tide. So we are especially concerned about the potential for altering or

[0:22:44] Voice 13: destroying this spectacular wildlife display of eagle's herons that is dependent on a nesting

[0:22:52] Voice 13: fish, the plainfin midshipmen. So plainfin midshipmen males swim up from the depths of

[0:22:59] Voice 13: Samson Narrows in April and May to establish nests under intertidal rocks. Males will occupy

[0:23:05] Voice 13: these nests and guard eggs for two to three months. Nesting sites require specific conditions,

[0:23:12] Voice 13: suitably sized and suitably shaped rocks sitting on a suitable substrate, allowing the fish to

[0:23:19] Voice 13: hollow out and maintain a pocket nest under the rock. In the Western Salish Sea region,

[0:23:25] Voice 13: there are probably less than 10 hot spots of plainfin midshipmen nesting. Baker Beach

[0:23:34] Voice 13: is a nesting hotspot for these fish. Surveys in 2019 and 2022 revealed 113 plus or minus

[0:23:44] Voice 13: 20 nests in one kilometer of shoreline that includes the 800 meter proposed shoreline

[0:23:52] Voice 13: development. As part of an extensive study of sea star wasting disease on Salt Spring Island

[0:23:58] Voice 13: we also surveyed most of the beaches on Salt Spring Island that appear to have suitable

[0:24:03] Voice 13: plain thin midshipman nesting habitat. While a few scattered nests were found elsewhere

[0:24:10] Voice 13: The evidence at this point suggests that Baker Beach is the only plain-thin midshipman nesting hotspot on Salisbury.

[0:24:19] Voice 13: One significance of a hotspot is that both adults, male and female, are frequently moving to and from nests along the shore where they are vulnerable to predation by bald eagles, great blue herons, northern crows, glaucous wing gulls, and other birds.

[0:24:36] Voice 13: Studies have shown that plainfin midshipmen are the primary provisioning food for nesting eagles and great blue herons in many Salish Sea regions.

[0:24:48] Voice 13: One study estimated that over 22,000 plainfin midshipmen were consumed by nesting eagles in White Rock in one May-June breeding season.

[0:25:00] Voice 13: Studies have shown that plankton midshipmen nests contain on average 400 to 500 yolky eggs glued to the ceiling of the nesting cavity, where they develop into swimming juveniles.

[0:25:13] Voice 13: This indicates that as many as 40 to 50,000 new juveniles may escape as hatchlings from Baker Beach each year.

[0:25:23] Voice 13: We also note that despite the seeming resilience of a fish that nests in the intertidal,

[0:25:30] Voice 13: these fish can be extremely vulnerable. We carried out a short survey in July 2021,

[0:25:36] Voice 13: about two weeks after a severe heat dome in which air temperatures exceeded 40 degrees Celsius

[0:25:43] Voice 13: during the lowest tides of the year. The survey of 11 nests

[0:25:48] Voice 13: revealed that egg masses in all nests had been destroyed by the heat.

[0:25:52] Voice 13: The survey suggested that an entire cohort of plainfin midshipmen offspring was wiped out by

[0:25:59] Voice 13: the 2021 June heat dome. We are extremely concerned that movement of nutrient particulate materials

[0:26:07] Voice 13: placed at the top of the beach will lead to diminished nesting habitat for these fish and

[0:26:13] Voice 13: loss of this valuable food cycle for aerial wildlife and other ocean life. We believe that

[0:26:22] Voice 13: thorough implementation of nature-based mitigation solutions directly on the slopes of greatest

[0:26:27] Voice 13: concern above baker beach should be carried out before any modifications at the beach level

[0:26:34] Voice 13: would should be considered thank you

[0:26:46] Voice 6: okay and i see no more hands on this side because i know i saw some hands on the side okay back

[0:26:53] Voice 6: there and then i am going to come to you next year and then uh i'll just just remind you and

[0:26:59] i think that the last person

[0:27:01] Voice 6: but please do try and keep it brief yeah i

[0:27:05] Voice 15: just want to say that

[0:27:07] Voice 15: there is a similar project that took place near where my brother lives in victoria on a beach

[0:27:14] Voice 15: called parker beach at off of parker road and it was a it has been a disaster all the material did

[0:27:22] Voice 15: did wash back onto a beautiful, the most beautiful sandy beach.

[0:27:30] Voice 15: It's been, they've had to go back, redo it.

[0:27:34] Voice 15: And I recommend that anyone go to that beach and see what didn't happen,

[0:27:40] Voice 15: the reviews, environmental reviews that didn't happen and how bad it can be.

[0:27:44] Voice 15: So Parker Beach in Victoria off Cordova Bay Road is a good place to go

[0:27:50] Voice 15: and look at to see how nasty it can be.

[0:27:55] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:27:58] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:27:59] Voice 4: I see one more over here.

[0:28:02] Voice 4: I'm

[0:28:09] Voice 3: not speaking, but I've got a very short paragraph that I sent too late, I'm afraid.

[0:28:15] Voice 3: This is the comment I sent into the government site along with a bunch of supporting documents.

[0:28:22] Voice 3: As one of a large group of concerned citizens on the proposed erosion mitigation project in Baker Beach,

[0:28:29] Voice 3: I have studied the original geohazard assessment

[0:28:32] Voice 3: and can suggest a compromise that could be good for all.

[0:28:36] Voice 3: This is not an official green source project

[0:28:39] Voice 3: and the engineer is not one of their qualified engineers.

[0:28:42] Voice 3: Though it appears to me he has done his best

[0:28:45] Voice 3: to implement green shore practices,

[0:28:47] Voice 3: but with critical oversights and errors,

[0:28:50] Voice 3: particularly an over-calculation about climate change

[0:28:53] Voice 3: as it will impact sea level rise,

[0:28:56] Voice 3: while no climate change consideration of rainfall particularly atmospheric rivers also an

[0:29:02] Voice 3: overestimation of wave energy on the beach and an emphasis on restoring loose materials on the beach

[0:29:09] Voice 3: which is what beach nourishment is called when baker beach is probably 80 percent bedrock the

[0:29:15] Voice 3: oversight is the possibility in your marine waterfront islands trust recommended document

[0:29:21] Voice 3: that log placement or large wood with driftwood logs anchored in place is quick very cheap and

[0:29:30] Voice 3: even beneficial. Photos show a great number of logs already in place and they just need to be

[0:29:36] Voice 3: restrained and it can stop erosion and increase habitat and even trap sediment. It's such a lovely

[0:29:44] Voice 3: much visited walkers beach we sincerely hope this can be resolved. Thank you.

[0:29:53] Voice 4: All right.

[0:30:00] we'll

[0:30:02] Voice 15: try and turn this way as well um trustee laura harris and you welcome

[0:30:11] Voice 4: the opportunity to

[0:30:12] Voice 4: be able to participate in this discussion today my name is tricia sanders i am one of the owners

[0:30:19] Voice 4: on the baker breach project

[0:30:21] Voice 15: applicant and i live at 239 40 i

[0:30:25] Voice 15: was have had the benefit of

[0:30:27] Voice 15: of living there for 32 years

[0:30:29] Voice 4: and raising my children for 32 years.

[0:30:31] Voice 4: This is my neighbor, Heidi Pearl, who is also a resident and applicant on the project.

[0:30:39] Voice 4: Can you hear me?

[0:30:40] Voice 4: Okay, I'll speak up.

[0:30:43] Voice 4: Over recent years, Baker Beach has been accelerating erosion from intensified king tides and winter storms.

[0:30:49] Voice 4: Conditions we expect to worsen, but as local residents, we are committed to addressing the erosion

[0:30:55] Voice 4: to protect the beach's slope, shoreline, and island properties.

[0:30:59] Voice 4: With this project, we have the working instances been mentioned with key agencies,

[0:31:03] Voice 4: including the Department of Fisheries and Fisheries, the Sea Islands Trust,

[0:31:09] Voice 4: Water Land Resources Stewardship, and other agencies,

[0:31:12] Voice 4: as well as reaching out to First Nations stakeholders multiple times.

[0:31:16] Voice 4: Following public consultation guidelines, we advertised the project on the Exchange

[0:31:21] Voice 4: and posted informational signs on the beach on August the 13th.

[0:31:27] Voice 4: Although the standard public consultation period is 51 days,

[0:31:32] Voice 4: the comment period has been extended beyond 90 days to allow additional time

[0:31:37] Voice 4: for public review and discussions such as today.

[0:31:41] Voice 4: We have also created a website www.bakerbeach.ca

[0:31:46] Voice 4: that we hope is in response to many of the concerns that we have been hearing.

[0:31:51] Voice 4: and some of the misinformation as well.

[0:31:54] Voice 4: This is a one-stop place to view our reports from the biologists that we have reports from

[0:32:01] Voice 4: and the engineers that we have been listening to for the last two years.

[0:32:06] Voice 4: It also has a direct link to public comments on our project.

[0:32:12] Voice 4: In addition, my neighbor and one of the other applicants, Heidi, who is here with me today,

[0:32:17] Voice 4: has reached out several times on social media and promised to walk the beach,

[0:32:22] Voice 4: have a cup of coffee with people interested, and have a larger discussion.

[0:32:27] Voice 4: Only two people have taken her up on that.

[0:32:30] Voice 4: While we respect the diversity of opinions, the experience has been challenging for us,

[0:32:34] Voice 4: especially as we've seen assumptions about our motivations that do not align with our personal goals or values as citizens.

[0:32:41] Voice 4: We are here today to listen to other ideas and opinions on this project.

[0:32:46] Voice 4: We're committed to an ecologically sound project that protects the shoreline and respects indigenous interests and access and use of the beach, while maintaining Baker Beach as a community space for all to enjoy.

[0:32:59] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:33:02] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:33:04] Voice 4: Anyone else would like to address the local trust committee before we move on?

[0:33:10] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:33:17] Voice 4: um i would just like to know what the process from here on in is i'm not familiar with the current um

[0:33:25] Voice 4: process i'm wondering if when um salt screen will hear what the irons trust has decided or if that's

[0:33:34] Voice 4: even um in on the books for right now what what is the next step that's what i'd like to know

[0:33:43] Voice 4: with with regards to the crown referral with regards to the proposal that they could each

[0:33:50] Voice 4: proposal okay there are two processes that intersect with the islands trust regarding

[0:33:58] Voice 4: this overall project proposal the first that triggered it was a referral from crown lands

[0:34:07] Voice 4: That referral was received over the summer.

[0:34:12] Voice 4: Staff at the time, as a matter of course, provided a response indicating that the proposal

[0:34:19] Voice 4: generally meets policy regulations of the Islands Trust, except that the proposal lies

[0:34:26] Voice 4: within a shoreline development permit territory.

[0:34:29] Voice 4: So we have already received a development permit for the proposal, an application for

[0:34:35] Voice 4: for the proposal and have had that under review for some time there are four separate properties

[0:34:41] that

[0:34:42] Voice 4: are largely not connected so those are four separate applications those applications

[0:34:50] Voice 4: and shoreline development permit area fall into the development permit

[0:34:55] Voice 4: delegation bylaw so they are professionally reliant so that we essentially rely on reports

[0:35:03] Voice 4: from qualified professionals to a set to present their proposals uh and review those and make a

[0:35:09] Voice 4: determination at this time for each of those four proposals we have not issued um if staff approve

[0:35:18] Voice 4: the permits then like issue the permits in line they're determined that they remind the development

[0:35:23] guidelines for shoreline then the application would be essentially

[0:35:28] Voice 4: the proposal is approved

[0:35:30] Voice 4: approved from the perspective of the Islands Trust and Crown Lands has to make a determination

[0:35:34] Voice 4: on the tenure. If staff do not approve or choose to refer to LTC the applications, then

[0:35:43] Voice 4: they would be then subject to a review and determination by LTC. If staff reject the

[0:35:50] Voice 4: development permit because it does not meet the guidelines, the applicant has the option

[0:35:54] Voice 4: to request that LTC reconsider that decision and at that time they would again, LTC would

[0:36:00] Voice 4: then make that determination so that is the process going forward as we have it today

[0:36:10] Voice 4: would be each so there's four separate properties would each of those four separate properties be

[0:36:17] considered um on their own or is this because of the is

[0:36:24] Voice 4: it going to be all four projects all

[0:36:28] Voice 4: for properties each parcel is a separate development permit application it was submitted

[0:36:45] Voice 6: okay um so if there's any further questions then i'd ask you to just put your hand up and then

[0:36:53] Voice 6: i'll call on you yes i

[0:36:57] Voice 4: just wanted to ask just to clarify that was really clear but i was curious

[0:37:01] Voice 4: is when you say you rely on professional consultation to determine whether or not the

[0:37:05] Voice 4: project meets your policies i wondered what exactly um your policies were for that those

[0:37:13] Voice 4: professional consultations like if the professionals are hired by provided by the

[0:37:18] Voice 4: applicants do you do any outside

[0:37:20] Voice 4: assessment of the project or do you solely rely on the

[0:37:23] Voice 4: professional consultation professionals provided by the application um so in a professional

[0:37:30] Voice 4: reliance model like this the applicant does hire a qualified professional um and part of the role

[0:37:37] Voice 4: of the dp process in that model is that as staff it's our job to um to determine that that person

[0:37:45] Voice 4: is a qualified professional outside of that i am not a geotechnical engineer for example

[0:37:50] Voice 4: it's not particularly my place to determine whether what they're saying is accurate or not

[0:37:55] Voice 4: However, if there are doubts about a professional, we do have the option of recommending to LTC or other agencies acquiring a third-party review of those studies if we have reason to believe that those studies are not adequate to, they haven't been prepared to meet the standards of that profession.

[0:38:19] Voice 4: By and large, our expectation is that professionals, our experience with most professionals, is

[0:38:25] Voice 4: that they work for clients, they work to find solutions, but they do understand our guidelines

[0:38:31] Voice 4: and they do work to, they have their own professional standards, which they do here, and they have

[0:38:38] Voice 4: a wider interest in satisfying one client to maintain their certification, that's kind

[0:38:44] Voice 4: of where the stake is for them.

[0:38:50] Okay. Any further from members of the public for town hall and then we're going to move

[0:38:56] on to the delegation section. Yes, sir.

[0:39:00] Just

[0:39:00] Voice 6: thinking back to your...

[0:39:02] Voice 6: Can you come up a little bit closer? We have a trustee and some staff online.

[0:39:06] Voice 6: I'm not necessarily a good

[0:39:07] Voice 14: landing officer, which is great as a general thing, but I think

[0:39:14] Voice 14: number of people have alluded to this but has staff or LTC met with the first stations to discuss

[0:39:21] Voice 14: uh the proposal and to seek their consent or respect their refusal to

[0:39:28] Voice 14: without that then the land acknowledgement is kind of meaningless um

[0:39:37] Voice 4: the uh the development

[0:39:41] Voice 4: permit process is fairly technocratic in nature that said many professionals do rely and are open

[0:39:51] Voice 4: to receiving traditional knowledge from First Nations so that is one way that the profession

[0:39:56] Voice 4: incorporates that lens however in this case the the provision of land and the core determination

[0:40:06] Voice 4: determination lies with Crown and very much to the benefit of First Nations to some extent but

[0:40:15] is that

[0:40:16] Voice 4: they do have a duty to consult in this case however I can't really speak to what work

[0:40:22] Voice 4: has been done by the Crown by Crown lands in this instance. Sorry just maybe a bit slow but

[0:40:31] But the answer, I

[0:40:32] Voice 14: guess, is no, that staff and LTC have not spoken

[0:40:38] Voice 4: to First Nations about the proposal.

[0:40:40] Voice 4: I think that's what you're saying.

[0:40:42] Voice 4: I can say that we have fielded questions from First Nations who have heard the project,

[0:40:48] Voice 4: but I wouldn't bring it up in a public meeting.

[0:40:51] Voice 4: It's really the business of the First Nations to have that conversation.

[0:41:00] Voice 4: I would like to address that as one of the owners.

[0:41:07] As one of the owners, we've been accused multiple times of not engaging with

[0:41:11] Voice 4: the First Nations.

[0:41:12] Voice 4: I would just like to say that for the past two years, we've reached out to over 12 First

[0:41:16] Voice 4: Nations several times, and we're currently talking to some. I'm not allowed to disclose,

[0:41:22] Voice 4: and it's completely inappropriate that we speak on behalf of the First Nations as to

[0:41:27] Voice 4: what we're discussing, but we are definitely speaking to them.

[0:41:33] Voice 6: Okay. I'm not seeing more hands. It's time for us to move on. We do have two

[0:41:41] Voice 14: delegations today. And first is Mielle Chandler.

[0:41:51] Voice 4: okay so um let me suggest that if the trust is going to impose a system of land use permits on

[0:41:58] Voice 4: landholders it's only fair that those permits be accessible to the full range of landholders

[0:42:05] Voice 4: there are many wealthy people here for whom the cost of permits and reports are nothing more than

[0:42:11] Voice 4: a mosquito weight but for some of us the cost of the permits and supporting documents are

[0:42:17] Voice 4: insurmountable barriers. The lack of access to permissions increases economic stratification

[0:42:25] Voice 4: in our community and I believe that that is actually a bad thing for our community.

[0:42:31] Voice 4: So I'm going to use the case of the land I hold to exemplify how economic stratification

[0:42:37] Voice 4: is effectuated by the trust's costly permitting processes. My property is zoned for four bed and

[0:42:45] Voice 4: breakfast suites because the letter not the spirit of the bylaw is followed when it comes to visitor

[0:42:53] Voice 4: accommodation someone wealthy enough to have a large eight-bedroom house on an equivalent lot

[0:42:59] Voice 4: can take full advantage of the zoning and without any license or application to the

[0:43:05] Voice 3: trust make visitor accommodation income from those four rooms thus the wealthy person adds

[0:43:12] Voice 4: to their wealth without needing to apply or pay for a permit because i am too poor to have a house

[0:43:19] Voice 4: i have

[0:43:20] Voice 3: no way of taking advantage of the same zoning in order for me to access visitor

[0:43:26] Voice 3: accommodation income by providing the kind of accommodation which is in which is within reach

[0:43:32] Voice 3: to me tent trailer accommodation i

[0:43:36] Voice 4: am required to pay the trust a couple of thousand dollars

[0:43:39] Voice 4: just to begin the process and that is only the tip of the iceberg. Bylaw 175 by the last LTC

[0:43:48] Voice 4: outlines many extensive documents which the planner assigned to the permit application

[0:43:54] Voice 4: is to request even when the documents don't make a lot of sense. So in my case one of those

[0:44:01] Voice 4: documents is a new well log costing $1,500. So when I called the person who drilled my well

[0:44:08] Voice 4: to ask for a new drill, for a new well log, sorry,

[0:44:13] Voice 4: he thought it was such a ridiculous waste of time and money

[0:44:16] Voice 4: that I got an earful.

[0:44:17] Voice 4: My well produces 20 gallons a minute, maybe more.

[0:44:21] Voice 4: Down the road from me is the well used by Salt Spring Water

[0:44:24] Voice 4: to service underproducing wells across the island.

[0:44:28] Voice 4: The well on the property just above mine produces 40 gallons a minute.

[0:44:33] Voice 4: It

[0:44:34] Voice 13: is a waste of money I don't have

[0:44:35] Voice 13: and a waste of the well driller's time

[0:44:38] Voice 13: to produce a new well log.

[0:44:40] Voice 13: If I were wealthy enough to have a large house,

[0:44:43] Voice 13: I

[0:44:43] Voice 4: could put giant jacuzzi tubs

[0:44:45] Voice 4: in each of the bed and breakfast suites

[0:44:47] Voice 4: and the trust would not say boo,

[0:44:49] Voice 4: let alone require an updated well log,

[0:44:52] Voice 4: even

[0:44:53] Voice 3: in an area with poorly producing wells.

[0:44:57] Voice 3: So without a house,

[0:44:58] Voice 3: the trust will only grant me permission

[0:45:00] Voice 3: to provide visitor accommodation for two years.

[0:45:04] Voice 3: The person wealthy enough to

[0:45:06] Voice 4: have a big house

[0:45:07] Voice 4: has prior carte blanche permission to provide lucrative visitor accommodation forever.

[0:45:15] Voice 4: I'm starting this school of sustainable skills and need to offer accommodation to students.

[0:45:21] Voice 4: In between workshops, the accommodation will be used by my family, friends, volunteers, and tourists.

[0:45:28] Voice 4: My mother and I have not seen my stepsisters in the past couple of decades since my stepfather died

[0:45:36] Voice 4: because we haven't had accommodation to offer and they live very far away. My

[0:45:42] Voice 4: intention had been to start this school seven years

[0:45:45] Voice 3: ago when I purchased my

[0:45:47] Voice 3: property. I had done my due diligence. The bylaws allowed a school, better breakfast

[0:45:52] Voice 3: suites and permission for a campground. The first thing I did was go to the

[0:45:56] Voice 3: trust to begin permit applications. Even with my dedication to doing everything

[0:46:02] Voice 3: everything right and jumping through every hoop, the process was beyond my capacity to navigate.

[0:46:07] Voice 3: I had to hire a lawyer to deal with

[0:46:10] Voice 4: the fire on my behalf and to formulate my requests to the

[0:46:13] Voice 4: trustees. Early on in the process,

[0:46:17] Voice 3: I had to drop the visitor and farm worker accommodation part of

[0:46:21] Voice 3: my application to enable basic permission for infrastructure to proceed. The process was

[0:46:29] Voice 3: extremely costly and left me without the

[0:46:32] Voice 4: income i needed from visitor accommodation a

[0:46:35] Voice 3: year or so

[0:46:35] Voice 3: later the enforcement started myself and the volunteers helping

[0:46:39] Voice 4: create a farm were all evicted

[0:46:41] Voice 4: by the trust this derailed the farm status wasted what was left of my waning resources and sent me

[0:46:49] Voice 4: spiraling into clinical depression the

[0:46:52] Voice 3: enforcement continued until a year and a half ago when i

[0:46:55] Voice 3: stripped naked on the highway in front of the trust office in protest. I survived the time

[0:47:02] Voice 3: since enforcement by getting meds, training in on-site wastewater, which is something this island

[0:47:07] Voice 3: needs, which is why I chose it, and which was very expensive private training, and by starting my own

[0:47:14] Voice 3: septic and excavation company. The path has been bumpy. I've

[0:47:18] Voice 4: been scraping by, unable this whole

[0:47:21] Voice 4: time to fund the permit application. Without permission

[0:47:25] Voice 3: to use my land for visitor accommodation

[0:47:27] Voice 3: I've been without economic resilience and now in my mid-50s I had to take

[0:47:34] Voice 4: out a second mortgage

[0:47:34] Voice 4: with terrible terms and an insane mortgage rate. The person with the big house and thus visitor

[0:47:41] Voice 4: accommodation income would have

[0:47:43] Voice 3: easily obtained a first rate affordable mortgage. I am really good

[0:47:49] Voice 3: at what I do. But my jobs tend to be the ones that the guys reject.

[0:47:55] Voice 4: Or more recently, I

[0:47:57] Voice 4: get repeat customers. Since the economic slowdown, which did start to happen at

[0:48:03] Voice 3: the end of the

[0:48:03] Voice 3: summer, the guys aren't rejecting jobs anymore. So I'm left without, with nothing to fall

[0:48:10] Voice 3: back on and no way of affording the trust's process for permissions, which I feel I should

[0:48:16] Voice 3: have been granted seven years. So I'm dusting off revising

[0:48:21] Voice 4: and emailing you my land use proposal for

[0:48:23] Voice 4: you to decide what to do with, then at least I will know that I have done everything within my

[0:48:30] Voice 3: power to honor your process. Thank you.

[0:48:35] Voice 14: Hey, thank you for that.

[0:48:37] Voice 4: Trustees, any questions? Trustee Harris, go ahead.

[0:48:47] Voice 11: Thank you for that. Can you hear me? Okay, everybody.

[0:48:55] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, I

[0:48:56] Voice 6: see your hand up. Go ahead.

[0:49:00] Voice 10: Can you hear me?

[0:49:05] Voice 10: I guess you can't hear me.

[0:49:12] Voice 6: Trustee

[0:49:13] Voice 4: Harris, Mr. Pingel is just going to check to see if you're having audio issues on our end.

[0:49:17] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[0:49:26] Voice 4: Yeah, my apologies. I have a meeting at 1.30.

[0:49:28] Voice 4: I have to go.

[0:49:30] Voice 4: I'll still report on what I was saying and a couple of comments from me.

[0:49:39] Voice 4: thank you

[0:49:41] Voice 11: yeah in response to a meal um you know thank you for coming in and saying what you said

[0:49:54] Voice 11: today i can relate to where you're coming from and you're not alone so many other people have

[0:50:01] Voice 11: have had to go through and are going through some pretty difficult times

[0:50:05] Voice 11: because of procedural and application length times and on and on it goes

[0:50:13] Voice 11: and the fees.

[0:50:14] Voice 11: And it does seem to be that, you know, purposeful or not, you know,

[0:50:20] Voice 11: I have no idea what it is for sure.

[0:50:24] Voice 11: But there does seem to be this trend of, you know,

[0:50:29] Voice 11: know the folks who don't have as much wealth as some as some of the kind of wealth we're starting

[0:50:34] Voice 11: to see um on the island now which is you know mind-boggling to me that we actually have billionaires

[0:50:41] Voice 11: around now you know i i was on the island over 30 years ago and you know there was some rich folks

[0:50:47] Voice 11: but it still was quite a blue-collar place and um so you know i sympathize and just thank you for

[0:50:54] Voice 11: saying what you're saying not everybody can get up and say that um it's a you know you put yourself

[0:50:57] Voice 11: in a vulnerable position there and i appreciate it and just want to thank you and it hasn't gone

[0:51:01] Voice 11: unnoticed thank

[0:51:05] Voice 6: you trustee harris um so next we have a delegation from deb debbie mackinson

[0:51:22] Voice 4: i'd like to start out saying that i'm speaking for myself and the unseen neighbors the marine

[0:51:29] Voice 4: life the avian species and botanicals that live on or off the baker road beach

[0:51:36] Voice 4: but there are people in the people near present and I'd like to ask you to stand if you're

[0:51:43] Voice 4: concerned or have comments and want to just acknowledge that you're here because of the beach

[0:51:51] Voice 4: just for a second so people see that there are interested people thank you

[0:52:00] Voice 4: um many of the people have walked the beach for over 40 years I'm one of them

[0:52:07] Voice 4: and i think that the interest of everyone is not to be adversarial but to really figure out what

[0:52:16] Voice 4: is best for the beach um people have loved the beach known it cared for it watch and see when

[0:52:26] Voice 4: tree is toppled watch the mid shipment fish and it's a very um popular recreational beach but

[0:52:36] Voice 4: the biodiversity is really essential as well. I'm going to start with my conclusion because I only

[0:52:44] Voice 4: have a short period. And I want to ask you to compare Baker Beach to Gold Stream Park, which

[0:52:54] Voice 4: is a thriving spawning ground for salmon. I don't think anyone

[0:53:00] Voice 13: would consider putting aggregate on

[0:53:03] Voice 13: the shores of that beach of that river that stream

[0:53:06] Voice 4: and because the people who you see present and

[0:53:12] Voice 4: others have done hours and hours of research read through the applicants geotech reports marine

[0:53:21] Voice 4: reports i think there's a lot to be added and so um the first thing i'd like to float is can

[0:53:31] Voice 4: Can Baker Road Beach have a covenant put on it?

[0:53:35] Voice 4: And I would like to request that the planner talk to the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:53:41] Voice 4: and have their opinion as part of what the decision-making is.

[0:53:49] Voice 4: I also would like to point out that there are two submerged reefs off the beach,

[0:53:56] Voice 4: which are park reserve sticks which means they have been designated part the beach is part of a

[0:54:05] Voice 4: loop trail that is also part reserved and under lcc i think now um jurisdiction so what i'd like

[0:54:17] Voice 4: to request is more partners like the crd lcc the salt spring conservancy trails salt spring

[0:54:27] Voice 4: transitions the nature salt spring group all become involved in actually assessing what

[0:54:35] Voice 4: the applicants biologists might know in part but do not know as extensively

[0:54:42] Voice 4: intensively. And I think as it was mentioned, the intention is to do good things for the

[0:54:51] Voice 4: property owners. I know they have plans for drainage and

[0:54:55] Voice 13: plantings, but how do we make

[0:54:59] Voice 13: sure the beach is protected as well? I also would like to suggest

[0:55:04] Voice 4: a meeting be arranged

[0:55:06] Voice 4: with the LTC and planners with local people and could include the applicants to really discuss

[0:55:14] Voice 4: further how natural and less engineered solutions can come

[0:55:23] Voice 4: forward. I would like to ask the trustees

[0:55:26] Voice 4: take the petition seriously and that in less than a month over a thousand people have expressed

[0:55:35] Voice 4: their love and concern for the beach, putting things on hold, doing more studies, geotech

[0:55:43] Voice 4: studies, erosion studies, marine studies would all be very helpful to making sure we're not

[0:55:51] Voice 4: doing anything that can't be undone.

[0:55:56] Voice 4: I'm heartened to hear the applicants say they've reached out to First Nations, but on Tuesday

[0:56:03] Voice 4: day when i looked at the um

[0:56:05] Voice 13: application to stewards of land water

[0:56:10] Voice 4: and resources the first

[0:56:13] Voice 4: nation's boxes were blank so it's hard to know exactly where the disconnect is um how do we best

[0:56:25] Voice 4: arrange a study over several years to monitor the needs of the beach would we see sustainability

[0:56:33] Voice 4: be involved? Could we involve UVic grad students who would benefit from having the studies but also

[0:56:43] Voice 4: do the monitoring that people could contribute to? Reinsuring is new. I'm asking that we take

[0:56:53] Voice 4: a cautious approach and apply any measures conservatively because, as you've heard,

[0:57:01] Voice 4: it's an extraordinarily sensitive

[0:57:03] Voice 4: area

[0:57:04] Voice 4: I think we need to use

[0:57:08] Voice 4: divergent thinking instead of

[0:57:10] Voice 4: like this is the only

[0:57:12] Voice 4: way forward how do we work

[0:57:13] Voice 4: cooperatively

[0:57:14] Voice 4: just for a minute I want you to know that

[0:57:18] Voice 4: the length of the beach

[0:57:20] Voice 4: under

[0:57:20] Voice 13: the application

[0:57:24] Voice 13: is over half

[0:57:25] Voice 13: a kilometer and I clocked it

[0:57:27] Voice 4: so it's from the entrance

[0:57:29] Voice 4: of the

[0:57:32] Voice 4: legion left

[0:57:34] Voice 4: past country grocer, past uptown pizza, past the dentist and Shaw office, almost to the

[0:57:43] Voice 4: side street that's called Village Terrace.

[0:57:46] Voice 4: It's a huge, huge length of beach that is sensitive to spawning worms.

[0:57:54] Voice 4: And I think we need to realize how much could be lost if we're not cautious.

[0:58:01] Voice 4: You've heard about the midshipmen fish, there's eelgrass offshore, we've learned that the

[0:58:10] Voice 4: nutrition that comes from tree toppling from above, which is erosion and potential loss

[0:58:17] Voice 4: of property, have options for being mediated that do not require barging in aggregate.

[0:58:28] Voice 4: The good news is that the alternatives are effective, have been tried many places and

[0:58:35] Voice 4: are of lower cost.

[0:58:38] Voice 4: US trustees and planners have received many submissions from the people here.

[0:58:45] Voice 4: I hope you can take them seriously and we put the time in to assess what is useful when

[0:58:54] Voice 4: making a decision. Everybody totally supports the property owners doing the work first on their land

[0:59:04] Voice 4: and having time to assess what is best for the beach. People want to know that any proposal

[0:59:13] Voice 4: can guarantee the suitability of the spawning ground, that the recreational use of the beach

[0:59:21] Voice 4: is left unobstructed and that the beach essentially is left wild and natural

[0:59:28] Voice 4: don't

[0:59:31] Voice 13: it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's

[0:59:36] Voice 4: but

[0:59:36] Voice 13: preserve

[0:59:38] Voice 4: paradise and protect paperboat beach

[0:59:53] trustees any questions for the delegate comments

[1:00:00] Voice 4: understand uh we miss mr harris no no

[1:00:06] Voice 10: thank you okay

[1:00:07] Voice 6: um so thank you for that uh next on our

[1:00:12] agenda we have a trustee report just here would you like to go ahead sure

[1:00:24] Voice 11: unfortunately i don't

[1:00:26] Voice 11: have a heck of a lot to report um i'm eager to hear what's going to happen with um the letter

[1:00:35] Voice 11: that we sent to the province about looking at opening up the Islands Trust Act

[1:00:43] Voice 11: and hopefully getting some modernization to the organization.

[1:00:50] Voice 11: I'm paying close attention to the progress of that,

[1:01:00] Voice 11: and again, there hasn't been a whole lot.

[1:01:05] Voice 11: But anyways, I'm going to leave it at that, and thank you.

[1:01:09] Voice 11: okay

[1:01:11] Voice 6: trustee patrick sure

[1:01:14] Voice 15: um with remembrance day ceremonies fresh in our mind

[1:01:19] Voice 15: right

[1:01:20] Voice 4: behind us it was an extreme honor to lay the wreath at the senate

[1:01:26] Voice 4: trust i've

[1:01:29] Voice 5: got a bit to report on for the various local and islands trust and provincial work that

[1:01:34] Voice 5: affects islands i'm pleased to report that myself regional planning manager hutton and brian young

[1:01:40] Voice 5: from transitions are representing salt spring in a pilot program called connect it's a program

[1:01:45] Voice 5: designed to support communities the next steps in their climate preparedness we're teamed with

[1:01:50] Voice 5: cowichan tribes and i really want to thank uh regional and planning manager hutton for the

[1:01:55] Voice 5: time he's devoted to this pilot project i met with local representatives of the salt spring

[1:02:01] Voice 5: accommodation group who are committed to working with the lcc and the ltc on modernizing the short

[1:02:09] Voice 5: short-term rental management.

[1:02:10] Voice 5: I met with community services,

[1:02:12] Voice 5: talked about the challenges

[1:02:13] Voice 5: with developing housing projects in the Andes,

[1:02:16] Voice 5: attended a meeting with North Salt Spring Water District

[1:02:23] Voice 5: on the moratorium along with our staff,

[1:02:26] Voice 5: the CRD and the fire service.

[1:02:28] Voice 5: I attended the complete community meeting

[1:02:31] Voice 5: with key stakeholders,

[1:02:32] Voice 5: discussed the maps and scenarios that were presented,

[1:02:35] Voice 5: and also attended a couple of meetings

[1:02:37] Voice 5: of the Sailor Sea Network Trail.

[1:02:40] Voice 5: At the Federation level,

[1:02:42] Voice 5: I was sad to attend the final

[1:02:45] Voice 5: Reconciliation Learning Group meeting.

[1:02:48] Voice 5: The culturally committed program

[1:02:50] Voice 5: that we've been participating in is amazing.

[1:02:53] Voice 5: The dedication of the indigenous mentors

[1:02:55] Voice 5: was heartfelt and tremendously valuable.

[1:02:59] Voice 5: I attended several Trust Council Standing Committee meetings

[1:03:02] Voice 5: for financial planning, governance,

[1:03:04] Voice 5: and Regional Planning Committee, for which I chair.

[1:03:07] Voice 4: CEO Hiring Committee is transitioning

[1:03:09] Voice 5: into the probation period.

[1:03:11] Voice 4: We're looking forward to welcoming Ruben Browning

[1:03:14] Voice 5: into his role of CAO.

[1:03:16] Voice 5: I also participated in the Trust Council Committee

[1:03:19] Voice 5: of the Whole on the discussion of the policy statement.

[1:03:22] Voice 5: Preventionally, I'm excited to participate

[1:03:25] Voice 5: in the BC chapter of Climate Caucus,

[1:03:28] Voice 5: who are working on a land use guideline for climate change.

[1:03:31] Voice 5: And finally, I was honored to attend the celebrations

[1:03:33] Voice 5: for Adam Olson's services in MLA this past weekend

[1:03:36] Voice 5: in Saanich, I will dearly miss Adam,

[1:03:39] Voice 5: but I'm

[1:03:39] Voice 4: looking forward to working alongside Rob Potterall.

[1:03:43] Voice 4: And that's my report.

[1:03:45] Okay, thank you for that.

[1:03:47] So next for my chair's report,

[1:03:49] I regret to report that I've misplaced my notes.

[1:03:54] However, I've created a few,

[1:03:56] Trustee Patrick mentioned the ongoing policy statement review

[1:04:00] Voice 6: view uh being conducted is that mostly through the community of the whole process um and with

[1:04:10] Voice 6: regard to the policy statement um on our agenda today we have the local uh community engagement

[1:04:18] Voice 6: options uh for us to consider today and how that process is envisioned and taking place here on

[1:04:27] Voice 6: salt print um yes we've had meetings of the governance committee uh i also sit on

[1:04:33] Voice 6: us programs committee and financial planning committee uh all of those in the last couple

[1:04:38] Voice 6: of weeks um trust council is going to be taking place in victoria december 3rd to 5th

[1:04:46] uh the honest trust new uh chief administrator officer uh ronnie will be there addressing

[1:04:53] and trust council for the first time as the new cao looking forward to that we're also going to

[1:05:00] have a san juan county council member jay fuller ongoing

[1:05:06] Voice 6: relationship between islands trust and the

[1:05:10] Voice 6: san juan county councillors over many years uh discussions uh issues of mutual interest

[1:05:18] Voice 6: information sharing and opportunity for both sides to learn about each other's experiences

[1:05:25] on island governments on either

[1:05:27] Voice 4: side of the imaginary border

[1:05:30] Voice 6: there um trust

[1:05:33] Voice 14: council is also

[1:05:34] Voice 6: going to be looking at its initial draft of the fiscal 25 26 budget and number of sessions that

[1:05:41] Voice 6: were deferred from september uh including a strategic planning session um the uh trust council

[1:05:51] recommendations for local trust committee local trust committee meeting procedures bylaws

[1:05:58] Voice 6: amendments to our policies and procedures regarding trust council delegations to trust

[1:06:05] Voice 6: council um the dark sky principles advocacy and um reviewing uh code of conduct um so i will leave

[1:06:17] Voice 6: it there and the next up is uh i'm going to turn over to um chair rook from the lcc to give us an

[1:06:27] Voice 6: update on what's happening in your

[1:06:28] Voice 4: area all right thank you chair

[1:06:30] Voice 4: um cognizant of the time and the

[1:06:33] Voice 4: fact you probably got a title on again i'm going to try and keep it brief here um as gary wanted

[1:06:38] Voice 4: to note in his presentation um the crd board has approved the provisional budget um for salt

[1:06:44] Voice 4: spring which would include both the locally controlled budget items as well as our share

[1:06:49] Voice 4: of regional and sub-regional um expenditures um that provisional budget um has an increase

[1:06:56] Voice 4: currently of about 13 roughly half of it being items under lcc control and the other half being

[1:07:02] Voice 4: regional and sub-regional expenses um which we are a part of um the purpose of the provisional

[1:07:09] Voice 4: budget is put together by staff based on best understanding of the financial realities and

[1:07:15] Voice 4: it's up to the elected officials to take that to the public and so we have in the next few months

[1:07:22] Voice 4: a period where people have a chance to weigh in on the budget we really welcome that um gary and

[1:07:29] Voice 4: are co-authoring an article for the driftwood we hope to have out next week to provide some

[1:07:33] Voice 4: background on the budget and the changes and we have a meeting tentatively scheduled for the last

[1:07:39] Voice 4: week of january to make the final changes to the budget and speaking personally i prefer not to

[1:07:46] Voice 4: make weighty decisions like that in a complete vacuum so the more input we get from the public

[1:07:50] Voice 4: on these that better inform the public gifts i think better the decisions will be to come out of

[1:07:55] Voice 4: it um one of

[1:07:58] Voice 1: the other things that's

[1:07:59] Voice 4: likely to affect budget is um that the crd writ large is

[1:08:03] Voice 4: proposing um a few alternate um approval processes for additional funding for things including um

[1:08:09] Voice 4: regional transportation service that they're just starting up and those will have an impact

[1:08:15] Voice 4: on salt screen and so if people are concerned about um those particular expansions and what

[1:08:22] Voice 4: What it might mean for us, you might want to look into it.

[1:08:24] Voice 4: Those would include alternate counter-petition processes for food land, for biodiversity coordination, and, of course, for regional transportation.

[1:08:36] Voice 4: Otherwise, the LCC is meeting tonight at 5 o'clock.

[1:08:39] Voice 4: We're going to be reviewing what we hope is nearly the final Fort Lauderdale Park Master Plan.

[1:08:43] Voice 4: We'll also be continuing work on the implementation of the Ganges Village Active Transportation Plan.

[1:08:49] Voice 4: I think we're looking specifically at Rainbow Road tonight.

[1:08:52] Voice 4: night. We're also looking at final approval of our strategic plan. It's another item where if

[1:08:58] Voice 4: the public has interest or feedback, we would welcome that. If we get to it, we'll talk about

[1:09:04] Voice 4: maybe moving into harbor management. It's been low on the list and we haven't gotten there

[1:09:08] Voice 4: the last couple meetings, but hope spring is eternal. Other developments, we're working

[1:09:14] Voice 4: closely with Salt Spring Waterless Local Trust to develop an integrated housing strategy for

[1:09:19] Voice 4: salt spring island that's just in infancy but um we're working both with our other agency groups

[1:09:28] Voice 4: and also with staff try and get that off the ground as quickly as we can do so we're also

[1:09:33] Voice 4: working with staff to develop a biology process um for bylaws on the crd applicable to fall spring

[1:09:42] Voice 4: and so that's a slow process as well it's fairly complicated with a lot of legalities involved but

[1:09:48] Voice 4: um we are moving forward with that as a priority that might have some impact on the trust going

[1:09:54] Voice 4: forward control over land use and zoning in particular if that becomes a measure by which

[1:10:03] Voice 4: bylaws are referenced so we may be coming back to you with some questions there we've also working

[1:10:10] Voice 4: to finalize acquisition of the phoenix school property for public use community use we approved

[1:10:16] Voice 4: We've approved making available space at Sims

[1:10:19] Voice 4: for a temporary winter space for people without housing.

[1:10:25] Voice 4: We'll be a first.

[1:10:27] Voice 4: And we're looking forward to our joint meeting

[1:10:29] Voice 4: with the local trust committee on the 19th,

[1:10:32] Voice 4: where we'll be providing updates on some of these things,

[1:10:36] Voice 4: including the round table with the accommodations group

[1:10:38] Voice 4: that you mentioned.

[1:10:40] Voice 4: Staff have been in contact with them

[1:10:42] Voice 4: and we have something on that for a recent show.

[1:10:44] Voice 4: Oh, and finally, Baker Beach is an area where the CRD doesn't really have a jurisdiction on that issue, since land use is the trust, and we don't own any of the land there, but I will look into those two rocky reefs to see if that parkland is actually under the jurisdiction of our local government.

[1:11:05] Voice 4: I suspect it's federal, but since it was raised, I will follow up and see if we have any more on all of it.

[1:11:13] Voice 4: And that does it for me.

[1:11:16] Thank

[1:11:16] Voice 6: you much, Dr. Rook.

[1:11:19] Voice 6: And I'll just note, I'm sure you've got a busy day.

[1:11:22] Voice 6: You probably don't want to sit here through all of our business.

[1:11:24] Voice 6: I'll just note for the public that we're intending to have a joint meeting of the Local Trust Committee and the

[1:11:34] Voice 4: Local Community Commission next Tuesday.

[1:11:38] Voice 6: right here at 11 30. we have a resolution to pass to make that so but um uh look forward to seeing

[1:11:44] Voice 6: you then thank you and so next on our agenda we have three sets of minutes um starting with the

[1:11:54] Voice 6: uh draft minutes of the october 10th regular meeting

[1:11:58] Voice 4: and i'll look to trustees for any

[1:12:01] Voice 4: correction to those minutes just to capture i don't have any corrections i just know um when

[1:12:07] Voice 4: When I was writing the summary piece for Salesforce Exchange, staff had recommended that I ask Chief Jack for permission to use the write-up that was in the minutes.

[1:12:18] Voice 5: And I did send it to Chief Jack and administration.

[1:12:22] Voice 5: I never

[1:12:23] Voice 4: got a response, so I didn't put it in my report.

[1:12:26] Voice 4: So I just wanted to know that I sent exactly those words to them and said they were okay.

[1:12:32] Voice 4: I

[1:12:32] Voice 5: received nothing back.

[1:12:34] Voice 5: So I'm just aware.

[1:12:36] Voice 4: we're aware i think that's fair it's kind of unprecedented for us so you know yeah and

[1:12:46] Voice 4: i would note that i've had some back and forth with some members of the tribe and

[1:12:57] don't off don't always get a response in

[1:13:00] Voice 6: a matter and it's generally because exactly that they're

[1:13:05] Voice 6: um so can i take it by general consent that we'll adopt um the october minutes uh october

[1:13:13] 10th minutes as presented

[1:13:15] Voice 6: then from the regular meeting i'm not hearing any objections so we'll

[1:13:21] make that so and we have the draft minutes of the august

[1:13:24] Voice 6: 22nd um special meeting for adoption here

[1:13:28] Voice 6: anything on those minutes just

[1:13:30] Voice 4: one minor correction under 3.2 on

[1:13:33] Voice 4: page 22 the agenda

[1:13:34] Voice 4: of the package request for accommodation roundtable LCC to post. I think the LCC offered to post

[1:13:42] Voice 4: might just want to be okay. It's not that's just not clear the way it's written, but they

[1:13:50] Voice 4: have offered. All right. Would you like this to be sure we've been offered to host rather than just

[1:14:02] Voice 4: two hosts offered LCC offered LCC yes okay

[1:14:10] Voice 6: um anything else on this uh about two minutes

[1:14:16] Voice 6: okay not hearing anything thank you yeah yes sir trustee Harris um

[1:14:24] Voice 11: apologies I just said no thank

[1:14:25] Voice 11: you oh

[1:14:26] Voice 6: okay um all right then I'll take it by general consent that we will adopt uh those

[1:14:32] Voice 6: minutes as amended and then finally we have the draft minutes from the october 1st special meeting

[1:14:39] Voice 6: trustee patrick

[1:14:40] Voice 4: minor um 3.5 on page 28 i remember it's a discussion of the following items are noted

[1:14:47] Voice 4: it's a fairness to owners of parking lots who have invested in to meet parking i think it's fairness

[1:14:53] Voice 4: to owners of commercial buildings who have invested to be parking um that would just be clear

[1:15:03] so just replace parking lot the first parking lots with

[1:15:07] Voice 4: commercial buildings

[1:15:11] Voice 6: um anything for me trustee harris no

[1:15:18] Voice 10: thank you all

[1:15:19] Voice 6: right then i will take it by general consent

[1:15:22] Voice 6: that we will adopt the

[1:15:24] Voice 4: minutes of october 1st as amended and moving on we have uh no resolutions

[1:15:32] Voice 4: for that meeting report or draft minutes from the advisory planning commission there's no more

[1:15:37] Voice 4: public hearing record and that takes us to the correspondence section

[1:15:41] Voice 14: um

[1:15:43] Voice 6: number of pieces of

[1:15:46] Voice 6: correspondence and i'll just go to trustees and see if there's anything in particular

[1:15:51] Voice 4: uh any piece of correspondence you would like to raise for action trustee patrick i'm just

[1:15:56] Voice 5: concerned that uh 9.3 on page 35 from transport canada seems to indicate that we are responsible

[1:16:06] Voice 5: for

[1:16:07] Voice 4: informing the public and posting signs and doing a number

[1:16:09] Voice 4: of things on um six five

[1:16:14] Voice 5: five lakes on salt spring so um we

[1:16:21] Voice 4: do do this we do do this i

[1:16:23] Voice 4: object to it i don't think that

[1:16:25] Voice 4: we're equipped to do it and i prefer that as the responsibility of um it's the a government body

[1:16:34] Voice 4: that typically does work around parks and things like that,

[1:16:39] Voice 4: of course, would be a better situation for us.

[1:16:44] Voice 4: It might be something to consider if the CRD

[1:16:49] would be interested in taking that on, the park service.

[1:16:54] It's an important thing to do, in my view,

[1:16:58] Voice 4: between the mandates of both the CRD and the Act.

[1:17:03] Should we then make a motion to move forward

[1:17:06] this piece of correspondence

[1:17:08] Voice 4: to the CRD and maybe put it on the agenda for our joint meeting?

[1:17:13] Voice 4: Pardon me?

[1:17:14] Voice 4: It should be forwarded to the CRD, but also put it on the agenda for the joint meeting?

[1:17:20] Voice 4: Certainly. I think it's, if you want to put it on the joint meeting, I think that should be.

[1:17:24] Voice 4: Well, I

[1:17:24] Voice 5: just, it doesn't fit. I can understand. So I move that correspondence

[1:17:31] Voice 4: item 93 be provided

[1:17:39] Voice 4: lcc crd lcc and placed on our agenda for the november 19th joint meetings uh so moved um

[1:17:54] Voice 11: second the motion

[1:17:55] Voice 4: seconded um any

[1:17:58] Voice 6: discussion thank you i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:18:07] Voice 6: and that carries thank you very much okay um and then uh i when we get to our section uh where

[1:18:22] Voice 6: we're discussing um paper road beach there may be some action taken

[1:18:29] Voice 4: there but is there anything

[1:18:30] Voice 4: action on any of the other correspondence before we move along

[1:18:34] Voice 15: no so let's discuss

[1:18:36] Voice 6: that we will

[1:18:39] Voice 6: okay then uh so in section 10 we have the follow-up action list and i'll let the staff

[1:18:44] to see if there's anything you'd like to report out

[1:18:47] Voice 4: on i'd like to raise one point and well i

[1:18:53] Voice 4: mean there's a few elements and i'm still trying to get you guys a work program it's getting closer

[1:18:58] Voice 4: but um one of the things i did know the other day is that um the northern office has been working

[1:19:08] towards finding more standards uh they've been working to start a project um in my discussions

[1:19:14] with trustee elliott uh it seems that the focus there is with the regional district of nemo

[1:19:21] um that there is discussion um with with their building staff

[1:19:26] Voice 4: going on that supports some of

[1:19:29] Voice 4: the work that we're doing there it it sounds like that may be a very inspiring project for us in the

[1:19:37] future. However, I also know that CRE is currently in a leadership changeover with the

[1:19:43] Integrated Development Department and they are a key player in getting to policy outcomes that

[1:19:50] can actually be built. I wanted to suggest possibly our the oldest item on the steel

[1:19:57] lot of things it's

[1:19:58] Voice 4: two years old now um and it's uh the tiny homes pilot project uh there's a

[1:20:08] Voice 4: recreation of zoning is one thing the uh having the standards in place that will inform that

[1:20:14] Voice 4: create that zone provision uh is another it requires a building official that um working

[1:20:21] Voice 4: with us at the crd and help us develop that i wanted to suggest that we haven't had a very

[1:20:28] Voice 4: firm date on this item but now we ought to consider deferring initiation of this process

[1:20:33] through discussions uh to spring

[1:20:36] Voice 4: 25 when hopefully a chief building official would be

[1:20:40] Voice 4: uh you know they'll have gone through their transition there and we'll have a chief building

[1:20:47] Voice 4: official uh start this conversation you justice factor um

[1:20:53] Voice 5: this is this has been a frustrating item

[1:20:56] Voice 5: of um when this was raised to the previous um term

[1:21:02] Voice 4: um it was badly named while it was

[1:21:05] Voice 4: called a tiny home village the intent of the planner was that it was just small homes that were

[1:21:12] Voice 4: scary and formidable um i've always objected to the name tiny home village because it confuses

[1:21:18] matters with

[1:21:19] Voice 5: tiny homes on wheels so um this i i it was just a an idea that was put forward by

[1:21:28] Voice 5: the previous planner on that project and uh and it's basically the dragonfly project that was up

[1:21:37] Voice 5: that was already that was a tiny home village project um that had already existed before this

[1:21:45] Voice 5: offer was put out to work with somebody so um i i agree with at this point to remove it and we'll

[1:21:51] sort that out as we go forward okay

[1:21:54] Voice 4: we can we can renew it we'll go from the tool of this

[1:22:07] Voice 4: I think at this point the idea

[1:22:17] Voice 4: was that the planners that they had just put out sort of

[1:22:19] Voice 4: an interest of working with

[1:22:21] Voice 4: somebody coming up with this so they already had the dragonfly

[1:22:27] Voice 4: At this point, if there's a semester success of North, we could revisit it, and of course,

[1:22:38] Voice 4: but yeah,

[1:22:38] Voice 5: it's totally the tiny home project.

[1:22:41] Voice 5: Actually, it's a project for the tiny homes.

[1:22:44] Voice 5: It just came out of the North.

[1:22:47] Voice 5: And that's really about the tiny ones on wheels and the standards

[1:22:51] Voice 4: associated with that.

[1:22:53] Voice 4: a cycling piece parallel

[1:22:55] Voice 5: to that and work on because that's kind of

[1:22:58] Voice 4: servicing those types of

[1:23:00] Voice 5: homes but

[1:23:01] Voice 4: those are that's quite different from this but we'll benefit from it okay

[1:23:06] um the question of the uh the housing action planning task force

[1:23:13] um we

[1:23:15] Voice 4: have not reported back to you on this at one point there was a discussion possibly

[1:23:22] Voice 4: I'm sending notes to thank the members of the Housing Action Program Task Force.

[1:23:31] Voice 4: There's going to be a post for other APC members.

[1:23:40] Voice 4: We have remaining vacancies on the regular APC.

[1:23:46] Voice 4: There's a strike, the OCP, LUB Project APC, and also Hornbarrier.

[1:23:53] Voice 4: So I'm wondering if we have vacant seats on the housing action program task force and we have an open housing action program task force we can we need to we would essentially post that the alternative being that we could we could shift this transition towards winding down this task force.

[1:24:25] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:24:26] Voice 5: we haven't used them in over two years. I think that's past tense, wounding down. I agree with, I think it would only be kind if we were to send them a thank you letter and identify an opportunity to participate in a special project

[1:24:45] Voice 4: task force that only makes sense to me.

[1:24:48] Voice 4: That would be helpful, just that, yeah, I mean, it was established by resolution. So just acknowledge that the task force will not continue and request that it's both.

[1:25:19] I would suggest that the chair send letters to members

[1:25:24] Voice 4: of the task force for their service and advise of upcoming vacancy opportunities.

[1:25:32] Voice 4: Knowing that

[1:25:40] Voice 15: Senator Sugar's right in the way here, I'll see what she's thinking for an idea of a motion to bring

[1:26:10] Voice 4: to their attention.

[1:26:11] Voice 4: It's a special advisory planning commission, right?

[1:26:45] Voice 4: I

[1:26:46] Voice 5: move that the Salt Spring Animal Trust Committee acknowledge that the Housing Task Force work

[1:26:50] Voice 4: program is complete and that the chair send a letter to thank the members for their service and advise members that there are vacancies on advisory planning.

[1:27:10] Voice 6: Second, Matt. Discussion on the motion? And Trustee Harris, did you hear the motion all right?

[1:27:16] Voice 10: I

[1:27:16] Voice 11: did hear the motion. Thank you. And I don't have anything to discuss.

[1:27:25] Voice 6: Okay. In that case, I'll call the question. All those in favor? Any opposed? And that motion carries.

[1:27:39] Voice 6: And then back to circling back to the tiny homes, did you need a motion to

[1:27:44] Voice 4: remove that?

[1:27:46] Voice 4: No. We can simply take that off. Okay.

[1:27:50] Voice 14: fair enough anything else trustees i have one question which is about the north uh salt spring

[1:28:03] Voice 14: water district presentation page 69 um and there's no at the bottom of that section that says we'll

[1:28:12] Voice 14: be presenting

[1:28:13] Voice 4: a proposal on january 25 can you just remind me what that's about

[1:28:43] Voice 4: We can provide a bit of an update on that in January, but I suppose the schedule being

[1:28:59] Voice 4: what it is, this would be more like February at this point.

[1:29:03] Voice 4: We have had one meeting, as LPC is aware, with the CRD and North Salisbury Waterworks

[1:29:12] Voice 4: district fire as well and that we need to discuss um connections policy and the like and we'll have

[1:29:20] more discussion there um and it's it's kind of tying back well this is a critical infrastructure

[1:29:28] question that that project as well um we'll be online back further

[1:29:34] Voice 4: uh in winter but i'm pretty

[1:29:38] Voice 4: you're at the same percentage so okay

[1:29:41] Voice 6: and so just for clarity that's that's um ltc staff presenting

[1:29:46] Voice 6: to north salt spring water district is that correct yeah it's it's presenting a proposal

[1:29:54] that's that's us presenting them a

[1:29:56] Voice 4: proposal it's essentially proposing ways to work together

[1:30:00] Voice 4: it is really tied to the project so that's really you know the january timeline that discussion we

[1:30:09] had about uh terms

[1:30:11] Voice 4: of referencing very recently the timeline process okay thank you right uh

[1:30:21] Voice 14: trustees anything further on the follow-up action list today okay

[1:30:29] Voice 6: uh thank you so moving on we have

[1:30:31] Voice 6: have no community information or public hearing so that brings us to the application section

[1:30:37] Voice 14: started on page 72 and uh to be coming to us from planner belcher who i believe i saw online

[1:30:48] Voice 1: yep hello uh i don't think i have video access right now but if you can hear me all right then

[1:30:55] Voice 1: i can go ahead yeah

[1:30:56] Voice 6: we can hear you okay

[1:30:57] Voice 1: uh yes this is a new temporary use permit application

[1:31:01] Voice 1: for commercial retail use at 126 Upper Ganges Road.

[1:31:06] Voice 1: The specific building was previously used as a marine mechanic and retail facility,

[1:31:11] Voice 1: which it is permitted for with the site-specific zoning of Commercial Accommodation 1, Variant C.

[1:31:19] Voice 1: This zoning allows marine-dependent sales as a permitted principal use,

[1:31:24] Voice 1: and marine-dependent is defined as a use that either requires direct contact

[1:31:30] Voice 1: with tidal water and cannot exist at a non-marine location due to the intrinsic nature of its

[1:31:37] Voice 1: operations or a use that cannot occur economically in a non-marine location.

[1:31:43] Voice 1: So the temporary use permit being requested is the building's new tenant is the Benjamin Moore

[1:31:52] Voice 1: paint store, which has moved from their previous location on Lower Ganges Road next to the country

[1:32:00] Voice 1: re-grocer. The commercial retail use is not permitted as a principal use in the specific

[1:32:05] Voice 1: zoning as it does not meet the marine dependent definition. The Salt Spring Island marina owners

[1:32:12] Voice 1: are looking to seeking a temporary use permit to bring the property into compliance as they

[1:32:19] Voice 1: begin a rezoning application process and test out the retail use of the lot. The application is not

[1:32:27] Voice 1: a result of bylaw enforcement, and there is no new development as a result of this change

[1:32:34] Voice 1: in use as the paint store will operate entirely within the existing building.

[1:32:40] Voice 1: An assessment of the OCP policies relating to the temporary use permit found that the

[1:32:47] Voice 1: application is generally consistent with the objectives and policies, and the applicant

[1:32:53] Voice 1: has provided a letter outlining a history of the property and difficulty in finding suitable

[1:32:58] Voice 1: tenants, and this is included as attachment six. One potential issue of the application is allowing

[1:33:05] Voice 1: retail commercial use in a marine-dependent sales zone, which could create a reduction in viable

[1:33:12] Voice 1: locations for marine-dependent businesses to operate. The proposed use would not compromise

[1:33:17] Voice 1: future uses on the lot as the application precludes a rezoning application which the

[1:33:25] Voice 1: applicant intends to pursue in the future. The request for a temporary use permit for three

[1:33:30] Voice 1: years would include an option to renew for an additional three years and based on all this

[1:33:37] Voice 1: information it's recommended that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee prove issuance of

[1:33:41] Voice 1: the temporary use permit pl tup 2024 um uh i guess zero one three four for uh 126 upper ganges road

[1:33:54] Voice 1: for a period of three years thanks okay

[1:33:59] Voice 14: thank

[1:34:00] Voice 6: you um trustees questions comments

[1:34:03] Voice 6: oh is the applicant with us today anything to add to their report

[1:34:09] Voice 6: Board? No, we

[1:34:11] Voice 6: have nothing to add. Okay. Do you have any questions? Okay. Trustees, any questions?

[1:34:17] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, do you have any questions?

[1:34:21] Voice 11: No, I don't have any questions. I'd be more than happy

[1:34:23] Voice 11: to make the motion to approve the temporary use permit. All right, go ahead. Move that the Salt

[1:34:32] Voice 11: Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of temporary use permit PLT-UP-202-40134,

[1:34:40] Voice 11: 126 upper ganges road for a period of three years so

[1:34:45] Voice 6: it was seconded by trustee patrick

[1:34:49] Voice 6: uh any further discussion i'm not hearing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:34:59] Voice 6: and that carries okay thank you

[1:35:05] uh next on our agenda we

[1:35:09] Voice 14: have a staff report uh coming to us from planet garupa

[1:35:17] Voice 14: and this is a uh resuming for 200 calls

[1:35:26] Voice 14: Thank

[1:35:28] Voice 4: you, Mr. Chair.

[1:35:30] Voice 4: The purpose of this report is to present the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee with a preliminary staff report for the proposed amendments to the Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No. 355-1999 to permit a proposed single-family dwelling and a full-time rental cottage on the same lot.

[1:35:49] Voice 4: So the property is located at 200 Collins Road. It is a 4.2 hectare property and currently is occupied by a 58 square meters single family dwelling, a great house, a boat shed, a wood shed and a garden shed.

[1:36:09] Voice 4: Staff have reviewed the proposal, and it appears to be consistent with the policies of the Official Community Plan of Salt Spring Island, as well as the Islands Trust Policy Statement, and the following recommendations have been made.

[1:36:21] Voice 4: One, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to proceed with processing application PLRZ20240145.

[1:36:32] Voice 4: Two, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to proceed with public notification as per Section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[1:36:41] Voice 4: Act. Three, that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft

[1:36:47] Voice 4: bylaw to amend South Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No. 355-1999 to rezone Lot 3, Section 3,

[1:36:56] Voice 4: Range 2, West Notte, South Spring, Cowichan District Plan EPP 10050 from rural zone to a

[1:37:05] Voice 4: the rural variant X zone, permitting a full-time rental cottage lot area up to 90 square meters.

[1:37:12] Voice 4: The South Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to refer to and take interviews

[1:37:17] Voice 4: from the Island Trust Conservation Board and other applicable agencies that are an application

[1:37:23] Voice 4: on the receipt that may be helpful to them in order to find out.

[1:37:28] Voice 4: The South Spring Island Local Trust Committee directs the applicants to prepare and provide

[1:37:32] Voice 4: a staff the following judgments.

[1:37:52] Voice 6: I don't see the applicant online and I don't see the applicant in the room,

[1:37:58] Voice 4: so I'll look

[1:37:59] Voice 4: to trustees.

[1:38:02] Voice 4: I just had

[1:38:06] Voice 14: a look and I didn't recognize all the names, so I'm just going to go ahead and

[1:38:08] Voice 14: online oh no wait maybe the attendees oh there

[1:38:14] Voice 14: it is mr

[1:38:15] Voice 6: licky hey there uh

[1:38:19] Voice 6: do you have anything

[1:38:20] Voice 6: you'd like to add to the staff report at this time um

[1:38:24] Voice 2: yeah um i do appreciate the support from staff

[1:38:28] Voice 2: on this application um regarding items one item number four that one's a little bit confusing to

[1:38:37] Voice 2: me. If this was a proposal for a piece of property that hadn't seen any development work for decades,

[1:38:47] Voice 2: these criteria might make sense. In this case, this parcel was created just four years ago

[1:38:54] Voice 2: through subdivision. We have experts, professionals who provided a geotechnical report,

[1:39:02] Voice 2: report, water study and analysis, and a sewage perc test report.

[1:39:10] Voice 2: So it seems unusual for this request.

[1:39:15] Voice 2: I mean, specifically with respect to the geotechnical aspect, we had an assessment completed that

[1:39:22] Voice 2: identified an unsafe area to build along the shoreline.

[1:39:27] Voice 2: That area was then covenanted, restricting development in that area.

[1:39:33] Voice 2: Once the driveway was completed, the geotechnical engineer came back

[1:39:37] Voice 2: and verified that the driveway was constructed in a safe fashion. With respect to water,

[1:39:46] Voice 2: we had well test completed, pump test completed, that showed ample long-term capacity of 8.4

[1:39:54] Voice 2: liters per minute, well in excess of the volume required by the bylaw. The water was shown to

[1:40:00] Voice 2: to have, I think it was magnesium. I forget off the top of my head. Regardless, the result was

[1:40:07] Voice 2: that the owner had entered into a covenant held by the LTC that all water must be treated for

[1:40:13] Voice 2: potable use. And then with respect to sewage, Island Health gave permission or approval for

[1:40:21] Voice 2: the subdivision based on this lot and every other lot in the subdivision having ample room for both

[1:40:28] Voice 2: a primary and reserve septic field so two septic fields so to request all this extra information

[1:40:35] Voice 2: really feels unnecessary and somewhat punitive on the applicant and the owner so i would request

[1:40:44] Voice 2: that respectfully the ltc approved move forward with this with the exception of item number four

[1:40:51] Voice 2: as we've already provided all that information i numbered it just a couple years ago

[1:40:55] Voice 2: So

[1:41:02] Voice 6: trustees, questions, comments, or staff?

[1:41:07] Voice 6: I'd like to ask that

[1:41:09] Voice 4: question of the applicant

[1:41:11] Voice 4: to stop on some additional reports

[1:41:14] Voice 4: compared to what was on file for this property.

[1:41:21] Voice 4: I think what we're seeing here is essentially

[1:41:23] Voice 4: there is a, not a group that may be able to speak

[1:41:26] Voice 4: to this further, but there is a covenant

[1:41:28] Voice 4: on the property regarding the water,

[1:41:30] Voice 4: regarding the quality, which is not methanium,

[1:41:34] Voice 4: quality standards um so we just need to make sure that um any of that the previous work was done

[1:41:42] Voice 4: that not addressed this particular development um so we need to um reconsider those elements

[1:41:50] Voice 4: in addition those four-year-old um development documents would be um typically what we what we

[1:41:57] came with to get report that are over three years old we are looking for at a minimum that they be

[1:42:03] be confirmed to apply to new development and so we invest reflective of best practice professional

[1:42:10] Voice 4: practice those that would be what we'd be looking for in this case so various reports required

[1:42:16] Voice 4: in item four as presented in the agenda um would just need to be confirmed

[1:42:23] Voice 4: so this property right now is

[1:42:33] Voice 5: zoned for a house and a seasonal college is allowed

[1:42:36] Voice 7: okay and

[1:42:37] Voice 5: the current

[1:42:39] Voice 4: structure that's here is just three meters larger than a seasonal product

[1:42:46] Voice 4: so i take it the applicant first was looking at a variance or something for that building instead

[1:42:56] the variance was explored um early on uh it was determined that it would die it would essentially

[1:43:02] because it facilitates the additional dwelling units construction, it was felt that it would constitute areas of density.

[1:43:12] Therefore, the only option here is to do a land use by-law amendment.

[1:43:17] Voice 4: We could have simply amended the text to say that a seasonal cottage is allowed to be up to the very precise measurement of this.

[1:43:30] I think the argument here becomes, in a larger context, the provisional payment for a cottage

[1:43:36] is essentially an additional housing

[1:43:40] Voice 4: unit that can serve as, for that purpose, a greater

[1:43:46] Voice 4: net benefit.

[1:43:52] Voice 4: The applicant wanted that net benefit for the long run, I don't understand.

[1:44:00] Voice 4: Well, I think it was the difference of adding something like nine square meters to have

[1:44:08] Voice 4: a textural amendment to land use by law to make the seasonal cottage allow it to be nine

[1:44:13] Voice 4: square meters in the current zone or simply to rezone it to allow a full-time rental cottage

[1:44:19] Voice 4: that allows for the larger, the increased size, like the river size of the current cottage

[1:44:37] Voice 5: the other is uh the rezoning that allowed um the full-time rent of cottages is all around

[1:44:50] Voice 5: this property isn't it so it's the lots adjacent to it are allowed and this one is not do we

[1:45:02] Voice 5: have any understanding as to why this lot was not

[1:45:06] Voice 4: included in that original topic i've just um

[1:45:18] Voice 4: yeah it just seems that's all

[1:45:32] Voice 4: so i

[1:45:39] Voice 14: do see a member of the public clear hand up but i'll look to trustees

[1:45:46] Voice 4: let's make an exception here otherwise i'll just look to trustees for other questions

[1:46:00] Voice 4: Thank

[1:46:02] Voice 11: you. I'm prepared to make these motions with the exception of number four.

[1:46:15] Voice 11: You know, I apologize for my lack of ability to speak in bureaucratic type of terminology,

[1:46:24] Voice 11: but procedurally, it just seems like such a gross, I don't even know what the,

[1:46:30] Voice 11: I don't know how to explain it, but I think the applicant actually described it pretty well.

[1:46:37] Voice 11: I think the word he may have used in there was punitive.

[1:46:40] Voice 11: It does really appear that way, and I don't see any need for it.

[1:46:46] Voice 11: And it actually kind of, you know, I feel bad about seeing this number four in here.

[1:46:52] Voice 11: But anyways, I'm prepared to make these first three motions if they will be heard, and we could have discussion there.

[1:47:02] Voice 6: okay thank you trustee harris i'll just um look in the room is there anything um

[1:47:08] Voice 4: any further

[1:47:09] Voice 4: questions no well i'm just trying

[1:47:12] Voice 5: to understand again this the the report so i'm i'm not

[1:47:17] Voice 5: disagreeing trustee harris but um is it stan i just understand so standard practice

[1:47:26] Voice 5: that we don't

[1:47:28] Voice 4: reports that are over four years old that's a

[1:47:30] Voice 4: a practice item.

[1:47:43] Voice 5: So I mean, hopefully the first first one

[1:47:46] Voice 5: would be very nice. I study I can't see. I can't see why

[1:47:54] Voice 4: either

[1:47:54] Voice 5: of those first two can't be just dealt with simply with

[1:48:00] Voice 5: updates of what they had. But why would a sewage system? I

[1:48:06] Voice 4: mean, you'd have to get another sewage system approved permissions

[1:48:09] Voice 4: permissions from Island Health sufficient?

[1:48:12] Voice 4: And

[1:48:16] Voice 5: how is a seasonal cottage septic system

[1:48:20] Voice 5: considered any differently?

[1:48:21] Voice 5: My understanding from Island Health is that

[1:48:24] Voice 5: it's irrelevant that the word seasonal

[1:48:26] Voice 4: is in front of the word cottage.

[1:48:29] Voice 4: The same septic system is designed with,

[1:48:31] Voice 4: assuming it's a full-time occupied structure.

[1:48:34] Voice 4: The question was regarding the wastewater management.

[1:48:49] Voice 4: That's going, property has adequate sewage systems

[1:48:52] to support

[1:48:52] Voice 4: two full-time dwellings why would that be required yes when it already has proof of a

[1:49:03] Voice 4: primary and a seasonal cottage which is equal i mean the final health doesn't look at a seasonal

[1:49:11] Voice 4: cottage that's a reasonable so for the subdivisions they've already proved that they

[1:49:20] Voice 4: already have the two so they're

[1:49:23] Voice 5: allowing us the seasonal plus

[1:49:24] Voice 4: full-time house

[1:49:26] Voice 5: in the seasonal

[1:49:29] Voice 5: So I'm just saying C is just doesn't make sense.

[1:49:33] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:49:34] Voice 4: I didn't see.

[1:49:37] Voice 4: And then.

[1:49:41] Voice 4: Hopefully.

[1:49:42] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:49:43] Voice 4: A and B.

[1:49:44] Voice 4: I guess let's look at.

[1:49:46] Voice 5: Jordan.

[1:49:49] Voice 5: Of how difficult it would be to get.

[1:49:52] Voice 5: Some sort of.

[1:49:57] Voice 5: Indication.

[1:49:58] Voice 4: Or update.

[1:50:00] Voice 4: For A and B.

[1:50:01] Voice 4: And then.

[1:50:07] Voice 14: Okay, I think that was a question for Mr. Leckie. Did you want to respond?

[1:50:15] Voice 2: Sure, thank you. I think from a geotechnical perspective, I mean, it's reasonably simple.

[1:50:23] Voice 2: You know, hire the engineer, makes a trip from Victoria, comes over, walks around the site, goes,

[1:50:28] Voice 2: yep, nothing's changed in four years, reports hands, writes a memo, carries on, sends a bill to the owners, so on.

[1:50:36] Voice 2: on the water study is slightly more complicated in that the engineer who authored the report has

[1:50:46] Voice 2: retired and i question how difficult it would be to find another engineer to dive into somebody

[1:50:57] Voice 2: else's data report could be willing to take responsibility for it and say yes this is fine

[1:51:03] Voice 2: it feels like an opportunity for this just to get caught up in bureaucratic red tape

[1:51:09] Voice 2: um respectfully and i honestly don't know it's like i said it's baffling we have a report that

[1:51:16] Voice 2: says this has a long-term capacity of 8.4 liters and it needs to be treated the ltc has a covenant

[1:51:22] Voice 2: to enforce that treatment i couldn't i can't fathom what else is needed okay

[1:51:33] Voice 6: trustee harris

[1:51:34] Voice 6: yes thank

[1:51:36] Voice 11: you um and thank you um jordan litkey for um for that input um i'm very much

[1:51:45] Voice 11: feeling what Jordan Littke is saying and you know to something that trustee

[1:51:53] Voice 11: Patrick had mentioned earlier about you know and asking the question to staff

[1:51:57] Voice 11: about four years being standard practice to me it just I can't even believe that

[1:52:01] Voice 11: because I know how long some of these applications take for different things

[1:52:05] Voice 11: and and things go longer than four years so that you know we if that's the case

[1:52:11] Voice 11: If that's standard practice, maybe we as an LTC need to change that somehow because that could turn any development applications into this perpetual wheel of applying and redoing reports.

[1:52:26] Voice 11: And then, you know, we'd be seeing 20 years later the same thing still being talked about.

[1:52:31] Voice 11: boat um and we it's already close to that with so many things that um that are trying to uh so

[1:52:38] Voice 11: many developments that have tried to be undertaken on the island so again i'm just i'm prepared to

[1:52:44] Voice 11: make the first three motions and um omit number four in its entirety um if it would be heard

[1:52:50] Voice 11: thank you

[1:52:56] Voice 4: okay well

[1:53:00] Voice 14: that's uh that's where trustees like to go then um

[1:53:06] Voice 14: Assuming you heard that, Trustee Harris, if you want to start with the first recommendation there.

[1:53:12] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair.

[1:53:14] Voice 11: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to proceed with processing application PLR Z202-40145.

[1:53:25] Voice 14: So moved and seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[1:53:30] Voice 14: Discussion on the motion?

[1:53:33] Voice 14: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[1:53:35] Voice 14: All those in favor?

[1:53:39] Voice 14: that carries number

[1:53:43] Voice 4: two thank

[1:53:45] Voice 11: you mr chair i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[1:53:48] Voice 11: requests staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend salt spring island land use bylaw number 355

[1:53:53] Voice 11: 1999 to rezone section 3 range 2 west north salt spring island cowichan district accept

[1:54:01] Voice 11: part and plan 3955 from rural r zone to rural f rf zone permitting a full-time rental cottage

[1:54:11] Voice 11: with floor area up to 90 meters.

[1:54:17] Voice 6: Moved and seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[1:54:20] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:54:24] Voice 14: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[1:54:27] Voice 14: All those in favor?

[1:54:30] Voice 7: And

[1:54:31] Voice 14: that carries as well.

[1:54:33] Voice 4: And number three.

[1:54:37] Voice 11: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:54:40] Voice 11: request staff to refer and to seek input

[1:54:42] Voice 11: from the Islands Trust Conservancy Board

[1:54:44] Voice 11: and other applicable agencies

[1:54:47] Voice 11: that an application has been received

[1:54:49] Voice 11: to amend the Salt Spring Land Land Use By-law number 355-1999.

[1:54:57] Voice 4: Prior to seconding, is this also meant to be for agencies and First Nations?

[1:55:03] Voice 4: Is that a condition?

[1:55:07] Voice 4: It goes to First Nations as well.

[1:55:11] So should that, before I second it, shouldn't it say other

[1:55:14] Voice 4: agencies and First Nations then?

[1:55:18] Voice 4: First Nations as agencies?

[1:55:21] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:55:24] Voice 5: Trustee Harris, did you hear me?

[1:55:25] Voice 5: i hadn't seconded yet is that okay to add first nations into that motion i

[1:55:31] Voice 11: i've heard that it

[1:55:32] Voice 11: was just it was my um my understanding that that was included in the um

[1:55:36] Voice 5: and then i second the motion

[1:55:39] Voice 5: with first nations thank you

[1:55:41] Voice 6: okay so moved and seconded uh has mended there it wasn't amended

[1:55:47] Voice 4: we hadn't seconded it yet

[1:55:48] Voice 6: yes um any further discussion seeing that i'll call the question

[1:55:55] Voice 6: all those in favor and that carries you

[1:56:05] Voice 4: had an additional recommendation okay Mr. chair

[1:56:10] Voice 4: we did omit an additional resolution because this rezoning essentially facilitates an additional

[1:56:17] Voice 4: dwelling unit we are not permitted to have a public hearing for the legislation so we do at

[1:56:26] At this time,

[1:56:27] Voice 4: if we are carrying bylaws,

[1:56:28] Voice 4: it is wise to request also that we post notice

[1:56:34] Voice 4: of intent to read the bylaws for the first time.

[1:56:38] Voice 4: So that we can proceed with that as well

[1:56:42] before we come back, post referral and all that.

[1:56:47] Voice 4: Have that language handy?

[1:56:49] Voice 4: Yes, to provide that, to read out for sugar.

[1:56:55] Voice 4: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to proceed with public notification

[1:57:01] Voice 4: as per section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[1:57:05] Voice 4: Are you prepared to make that motion?

[1:57:22] Voice 4: I can read it.

[1:57:23] Voice 4: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to proceed with public notification

[1:57:29] Voice 4: as per section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[1:57:34] Voice 4: I think in here we need to put the

[1:57:45] Voice 14: PLRZ.

[1:57:49] Voice 15: So I think we should make them longer.

[1:57:51] Voice 15: I

[1:57:53] Voice 4: don't like the new number system.

[1:57:56] Voice 4: Okay, so that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[1:57:59] Voice 4: can request to have to proceed with public notification

[1:58:01] Voice 4: for application PLRZ202401

[1:58:07] Voice 4: as per section 467 of the 1.5.

[1:58:11] Voice 4: I make that motion.

[1:58:12] Voice 14: So moved.

[1:58:16] Voice 10: Seconded.

[1:58:17] Voice 6: Seconded by Trustee Harris.

[1:58:19] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:58:22] Voice 6: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries uh trustees anything further

[1:58:40] Voice 14: uh thank you for that then that brings us to the new business section

[1:58:53] Voice 14: um program update i believe i heard that that didn't happen

[1:59:03] Voice 4: that's okay um

[1:59:08] Voice 4: Yes,

[1:59:09] Voice 6: and I've got C2C funding added there, and I've got C2C added at 15.

[1:59:20] Voice 14: So, C2C funding?

[1:59:24] Voice 4: Yeah, they're, I think, yeah, with transition,

[1:59:30] Voice 4: they're trying to organize a couple of community

[1:59:37] Voice 4: community events with the intent of circulating around our OCP land

[1:59:44] Voice 5: use bylaw review.

[1:59:46] Voice 5: The intent was for conversation and trying to find common ground amongst some groups

[1:59:54] Voice 5: that have conflicting ideas.

[1:59:57] Voice 5: They are intending

[2:00:00] Voice 5: to invite First Nations to also attend these meetings.

[2:00:07] Voice 4: And this is the same group that put on the food summit

[2:00:12] Voice 4: that they had last year at some point.

[2:00:17] And they did successfully get a

[2:00:20] Voice 5: few First Nation

[2:00:22] Voice 5: representatives to come to the event.

[2:00:24] Voice 5: event. They're looking for some help and funding, especially the honorariums and the travel

[2:00:32] Voice 5: for Indigenous participation in these events that are related to helping provide input

[2:00:39] Voice 5: into our OCP and land use of by-law project. I think that very much aligns with the C2C

[2:00:45] Voice 5: receive funding. Community organizations can be part of it. We must, the government must

[2:00:54] Voice 5: apply or First Nations can apply. And I think this really does talk to supporting local

[2:01:05] Voice 5: reconciliation efforts and sharing capacity building. I think it's fantastic that community

[2:01:13] Voice 5: community organizations that this is front of mind. This isn't back of mind. And I

[2:01:18] Voice 4: think if we can help in any way, if we can apply and help

[2:01:26] Voice 5: get some funding to cover the outlets and

[2:01:29] Voice 4: the offer areas and travel, we can help with that.

[2:01:34] And so I was prepared to make a motion to

[2:01:37] Voice 4: ask staff to look into applying for a TTC

[2:01:39] Voice 4: grant for this December 6th.

[2:01:54] Voice 8: I

[2:01:55] Voice 4: don't think I caught the end of that, the February time frame.

[2:01:58] Voice 5: I think January, February time was when they were planning to have the events.

[2:02:03] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:02:05] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:02:05] Voice 4: So my understanding is that this application, this intake is for June, December 6th, under

[2:02:14] Voice 4: the hammer at LBCD. One of our planners has started conversation with this group and maybe

[2:02:26] I think the main thing that needs to happen here is that they're thinking to kind of fill

[2:02:31] the application form

[2:02:33] Voice 4: in a way that like to explain what they want to do in a way that's

[2:02:37] going to make sense for that funding application. So that process is in their way,

[2:02:44] I believe it would still require

[2:02:46] Voice 4: LPC to send that application as a flow-through grant before that process would likely, I'm getting worried about getting a blanket submission approval today.

[2:03:02] Voice 4: day and i'm wondering if it's better to simply um provide a here's the application um

[2:03:14] Voice 4: through an rwm this could be done by resolution so we could do it by rwm

[2:03:19] Voice 4: um in late november that's did that process um

[2:03:27] Voice 4: well i'm grateful for that we're working i think this is like so

[2:03:31] Voice 5: i think it's

[2:03:32] Voice 5: It's good to see the community interested in our OCP project

[2:03:37] Voice 5: and wanting to work across organizations.

[2:03:41] Voice 5: So I

[2:03:42] Voice 4: applaud what's happening

[2:03:45] Voice 4: and I think if we can support them

[2:03:47] Voice 4: and do a RWA to support the application, that would be great.

[2:03:53] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[2:03:54] Voice 4: So it sounds like we can do that by RWA.

[2:03:57] Voice 4: We don't have to make a resolution on that today.

[2:04:00] Voice 4: understanding you are you will be essentially receiving an application and uh voting on that

[2:04:05] Voice 4: application of course there are policies the rwm policy yes the discussion in the better

[2:04:11] Voice 4: um it's either you like that or you don't yeah fair enough um anything

[2:04:20] Voice 6: further on that item

[2:04:21] Voice 6: Okay. So next on page 107, we have a draft at 2025-26 meeting schedule and a request for decision.

[2:04:37] And I think staff would like to highlight on this.

[2:04:44] Nothing to highlight. I think it's really meaningful that this process is being more centralized this year.

[2:04:53] the schedule for LTC is more or less a bread and butter schedule going on for the last two years

[2:04:59] which is positive I think there's no substantive changes in here beyond I think there was a few

[2:05:05] shifts in in October just around mostly most of the off-week ones are related

[2:05:13] Voice 4: to trust council

[2:05:14] Voice 4: the only surprise in here otherwise it's it's a fairly straightforward one okay any trustees

[2:05:23] Voice 4: Trustees, questions, comments?

[2:05:25] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick.

[2:05:26] Voice 5: My only comment is that it is a long stretch

[2:05:28] Voice 5: from July 10th to September 11th.

[2:05:31] Voice 5: I do know we will be in our OCP project.

[2:05:36] Voice 5: Doing consultation in the middle of summer

[2:05:38] Voice 5: is never a great idea around this island.

[2:05:41] Voice 5: So I don't know when we'll be having public meetings

[2:05:47] Voice 4: and things, but I guess we could always

[2:05:53] Voice 4: have a special movement necessary in that time frame if decisions are necessary so that's two

[2:05:58] Voice 4: months so it seems to make september and now we need to stack all that stuff up or this is around

[2:06:05] Voice 4: the july september break yeah you know meeting in august yeah exactly okay i i think we're hoping

[2:06:12] Voice 4: not to have a great deal of input in the summer i know it can be challenging we do try to do

[2:06:19] Voice 4: doing data when it's time to do data for the project,

[2:06:21] Voice 4: but understand that we're also able to accommodate that

[2:06:25] Voice 4: through a range by using a range of tools.

[2:06:29] And again, if you need to have a special meeting,

[2:06:33] we'll certainly

[2:06:34] Voice 4: suggest that if that's what you need

[2:06:36] all along.

[2:06:42] Voice 4: More comments, I think.

[2:06:44] Voice 4: All right, go ahead.

[2:06:47] Voice 4: I'm going to vent the sauce now.

[2:06:48] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:06:49] Voice 11: Oh, sorry.

[2:06:49] Voice 5: Oops, sorry.

[2:06:51] Voice 5: I'm sorry.

[2:06:52] Voice 11: I was just going to say thank you,

[2:06:54] Voice 11: and i'm fine with this and i was going to thank trustee patrick for mentioning the

[2:06:56] Voice 11: special meeting options that would um that would come up when needed i

[2:07:05] Voice 5: move that the salt spain

[2:07:06] Voice 5: island local trust committee approve uh the january 2025 to march 2026 meeting schedule

[2:07:13] Voice 5: as

[2:07:14] Voice 4: presented

[2:07:20] Voice 4: was

[2:07:23] Voice 6: that you seconding trustee harris yes

[2:07:27] Voice 10: sir okay

[2:07:28] Voice 6: uh any discussion

[2:07:30] Voice 6: not seeing any I'll call the question all those in favor and that carries okay next on page 110

[2:07:43] Voice 6: is the phase 4 community engagement options policy statement amendment project staff report

[2:07:50] that's mentioned on

[2:07:52] Voice 14: page 110 coming to us from trust area services hopefully this is self

[2:08:00] Well, explanatory enough, but I'm not aware

[2:08:06] Voice 6: that there's any staff that want to add anything to the report today.

[2:08:13] Voice 9: Chair Peterson, this is Jason Yeoman speaking. I am available online today.

[2:08:18] Voice 6: I did

[2:08:19] Voice 9: not see you

[2:08:19] Voice 6: come online, but that's because I'm doing a split screen thing here.

[2:08:24] Voice 6: Anything to add to the report, sir?

[2:08:27] Voice 9: I mean, I do have sort of a three-minute spiel I can give.

[2:08:30] Voice 9: Now, I know, Chair Peterson, you've been subject to this discussion already on at least one or more islands, so I'm not sure if you wish to hear that or not, or if the other trustees would benefit from it.

[2:08:41] Voice 6: It doesn't matter if I hear it again. I'd say go for it.

[2:08:47] Voice 9: Okay. Thank you. And also, this indicates that the meeting host has disabled my video. I don't know whether it would be to the trustees' benefit to see my smiling face or not, or whether my voice is sufficient.

[2:09:05] Voice 9: All right, I'll just I'll just proceed as a

[2:09:08] Voice 9: He's

[2:09:09] Voice 12: working on it.

[2:09:09] Voice 4: He's working on it.

[2:09:10] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:09:19] Voice 9: Give it a try now.

[2:09:20] Voice 9: All right, I'll give it a shot.

[2:09:25] Voice 9: Aha! Coming to you live from the Fernwood dock. Okay. Thank you, trustees. Nice to be with you again.

[2:09:35] Voice 9: uh coming to you today as a emissary on behalf of trust area services concerning the island's

[2:09:41] Voice 9: trust policy statement amendment project the current project charter for this project

[2:09:47] Voice 9: indicates that there is going to be a modest amount of on-island engagement related to it

[2:09:53] Voice 9: in the months ahead or beginning in spring of next year actually and this engagement is primarily for

[2:09:59] Voice 9: for the purposes of helping inform the local trust committee's response to trust council

[2:10:04] Voice 9: once you receive the new policy statement on referral from trust council after it gets

[2:10:09] Voice 9: agreement in principle by that body. So the question really that is being asked of you today

[2:10:14] Voice 9: is simply what sort of information do you feel that you need to gather from your constituents

[2:10:20] Voice 9: in order to inform your local trust committee's referral response to trust council when the time

[2:10:26] Voice 9: comes. There are a range of potential options starting on page two in the table of the staff

[2:10:34] Voice 9: report that's there, ranging from no formal on-aisle engagement to a more intensive visit

[2:10:40] Voice 9: by Trust Area Services staff where we sort of set up shop at some prominent location and answer

[2:10:46] Voice 9: questions and solicit feedback from your constituents at that time. I do just want to

[2:10:53] Voice 9: note that regardless of which of the engagement options that you choose, your island population

[2:10:59] Voice 9: still has the opportunity to correspond directly with Trust Council on the policy statement,

[2:11:04] Voice 9: most likely in the form of a survey if they want to fill that out. And I think we're also

[2:11:10] Voice 9: anticipating some sort of online workshop where they'll have the opportunity to hear from staff

[2:11:17] Voice 9: and ask questions and receive information that way.

[2:11:20] Voice 9: So thank you.

[2:11:23] Voice 9: That's the spiel.

[2:11:24] Voice 9: Happy to answer any questions that you may have.

[2:11:28] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[2:11:29] Voice 6: Justice Patrick.

[2:11:31] Voice 5: I know yesterday at Financial Planning Committee

[2:11:33] Voice 5: it came, the executive had said,

[2:11:34] Voice 5: oh yes, I'll just do this online webinar

[2:11:37] Voice 5: and just a survey and that we can save money.

[2:11:40] Voice 5: And I said, well, reducing the interface with Islanders,

[2:11:46] Voice 5: while that element

[2:11:48] Voice 5: saves money

[2:11:50] Voice 5: it increases the cost for

[2:11:52] Voice 5: communications

[2:11:52] Voice 5: and

[2:11:56] Voice 5: because who on

[2:11:58] Voice 5: Salt Spring even knows we're

[2:11:59] Voice 5: talking about trust policy statement

[2:12:02] Voice 5: right now very few

[2:12:04] Voice 5: people

[2:12:06] Voice 5: very few people on Salt Spring

[2:12:08] Voice 5: even know there's a difference between the Salt Spring

[2:12:10] Voice 5: Trust Committee and Trust Council

[2:12:12] Voice 5: and Islands Trust

[2:12:14] Voice 5: Conservancy

[2:12:15] Voice 5: You know, so we need to do some work to bring people up to speed on what this thing is and what it means to them, what it means to the island.

[2:12:33] Voice 5: So that's not an option that we've been given.

[2:12:36] Voice 5: And to me, we shouldn't do any of this without having that free communications piece of preparing people for this conversation so that at least they have a basic understanding of what this is.

[2:12:53] Voice 5: And I mean written in easy-to-understand language so that they know what it means.

[2:13:05] Voice 5: I don't even know how many years ago that was.

[2:13:07] Voice 5: Four years ago?

[2:13:08] Voice 5: I know the pandemic was raging.

[2:13:09] Voice 5: I stood down in the park down here in front of a crowd that the Driftwood was kind enough to record as 50 people,

[2:13:16] Voice 5: but it was a lot more than 50 people height of the pandemic that showed up at that park that were quite riled up.

[2:13:25] Voice 5: now uh you know we we face the same issue if we let conversation just occur we need to put the

[2:13:34] Voice 5: information out at any moment and that that's just my encouragement it's what we get you know the

[2:13:39] Voice 5: facts out there that what what the information is because a lot

[2:13:43] Voice 5: of people will probably still

[2:13:44] Voice 5: have memories or think you know that the elements that upset them before are still there and they

[2:13:51] Voice 5: They may not be there anymore, or something new

[2:13:54] Voice 7: is there that

[2:13:55] Voice 5: upsets them that they want to respond to.

[2:13:57] Voice 5: So that's really, you know, I want to see some really good communications.

[2:14:07] Voice 5: It's hard to

[2:14:08] Voice 15: do on Salt Spring.

[2:14:09] Voice 5: I'm not offering that that's an easy thing to do.

[2:14:13] Voice 5: It is a hard thing to do, but we need some clear communications, which I think will benefit all islands if we had good, clean communications.

[2:14:30] Voice 5: And then I don't think we can just do a single event on salt spray.

[2:14:36] Voice 5: Right. A population of 12,000 people. We have working people. We have different demographics.

[2:14:48] Voice 5: And we need to kind of structure an opportunity to

[2:14:58] Voice 4: hear from them.

[2:15:02] Voice 4: Some of the interesting areas have ideas, too.

[2:15:06] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:15:07] Voice 7: I would

[2:15:07] Voice 11: go ahead.

[2:15:11] Voice 11: Yeah, through the chair. I would just amplify what Trustee Patrick has just said loudly. I would like to amplify it loudly. And as far as ideas go, how we're going to communicate, I'm not certain, but I would hope that we would have some large town halls where we try and get the word out to folks.

[2:15:41] Voice 11: You know, if it's at Artspring and Fulford Hall, that kind of idea, see what kind of response we get from the community, even for the appetite for that.

[2:15:49] Voice 11: If we know we were going to have a good turnout, then I think we should go ahead with something like that.

[2:15:56] Voice 11: Now, how do we get people engaged? That's a great question.

[2:16:00] Voice 11: You know, the election we had was a really good, you know, pretty good turnout and a lot of issues were on the table.

[2:16:09] Voice 11: And it was a pretty good community engagement there.

[2:16:11] Voice 11: um i would hope that we get something along those lines as far as uh input from the community

[2:16:18] Voice 11: again in those types of numbers so um yeah i'd like to amplify what trustee patrick said thank

[2:16:25] Voice 11: you hey

[2:16:27] Voice 6: thank you trustee harris uh so i was just going to note that this is actually the

[2:16:33] Voice 6: uh fourth time i've uh seen this uh report and a request for a decision

[2:16:40] decision. And every island is a little bit different. And

[2:16:45] Voice 6: some islands are definitely

[2:16:47] Voice 6: wanting to tailor something a little bit different than the options here. Some are just picking

[2:16:53] Voice 6: one, some are picking more than one option. I think my reading of this table and what

[2:17:02] Voice 6: What I've heard from the local trustees is that something around option five

[2:17:11] and perhaps more than one iteration of that would be appropriate.

[2:17:18] And I'm not sure what the trustees think about option six in addition,

[2:17:26] depending on when and where that was, that

[2:17:29] Voice 4: might reach a lot of people,

[2:17:32] Voice 4: um which is not up six of course

[2:17:34] Voice 6: is the info booth at a prominent location um so i'm gonna just

[2:17:41] Voice 6: leave my comments there and turn it back over to trustees uh uh what what is it that we want to uh

[2:17:50] Voice 6: respond with here well

[2:17:52] Voice 5: there there there is no option for the communications piece so i think

[2:17:56] Voice 5: and we

[2:17:58] Voice 5: raised that yesterday

[2:17:59] Voice 5: at the financial planning committee

[2:18:00] Voice 5: is that

[2:18:03] Voice 5: this needs to be done well

[2:18:05] Voice 5: it's going to cost some money

[2:18:07] Voice 5: to write up a

[2:18:09] Voice 5: simplified description

[2:18:11] Voice 5: of this thing

[2:18:13] Voice 5: called the policy statement

[2:18:16] Voice 5: so that people can understand

[2:18:21] Voice 5: it and know

[2:18:22] Voice 5: what it means to them

[2:18:25] Voice 5: certainly

[2:18:28] the way I look at it is that we could

[2:18:30] do a

[2:18:31] Voice 6: resolution that talks about the options that are listed here and and or in addition could do

[2:18:41] pass an additional resolution as listed

[2:18:46] Voice 6: in the alternative that focuses on that

[2:18:48] Voice 6: plain language communications piece and it seems to me that all of those something something in

[2:19:01] Voice 6: range of option uh five

[2:19:03] Voice 14: perhaps more than one indirect iteration certainly uh option six and

[2:19:07] Voice 14: then uh

[2:19:08] Voice 4: something uh based on the communications piece as an alternative resolution so let's look

[2:19:14] Voice 4: to trustees on your thoughts well

[2:19:16] Voice 5: stuff i mean it's a difficult thing again salt spring is a

[2:19:22] Voice 5: big place i think staff standing outside the country grocer for a day is uh you know a good

[2:19:31] Voice 5: in place to have conversations. I assume, what's the time scale on this, Jason?

[2:19:37] Voice 9: This on-island community engagement, according to the current work plan, would be projected to

[2:19:42] Voice 9: begin in May of 2025. And the window within that engagement under the current work plan would take

[2:19:48] Voice 9: place is six months. As I understand it, there was trustees from certain islands wished there

[2:19:55] Voice 9: to be this extended opportunity for community conversation around the policy statement. So

[2:20:01] Voice 9: So sometime between May and six months after May is when this sort of on-island engagement could potentially take place.

[2:20:12] Voice 9: One item I do want to flag, you know, so staff are going to aggregate all of these LTC responses that we receive and wind up taking those to executive committee to mull over as they make their budget and work planning decisions for the project for the year ahead.

[2:20:27] Voice 9: Um, under the current work plan and budget that we were anticipating, there was going to be $20,000 allocated to this on island community engagement across all of the islands. And when you divide 20,000 by, you know, 13 local trust committees, if one were to assume that money would be distributed equitably, that doesn't leave very much.

[2:20:51] Voice 9: So, if we're talking about more than one event that requires hall rental, advertising, potentially staff overtime, depending on the timing of the event and whatever other costs might be associated with it, we are potentially going to exceed what the current budget anticipates for that sort of work.

[2:21:11] Voice 9: Now, it will be up to, I guess, Executive Committee and Trust Council to decide how that money should be allocated across the trust area. But I do just want to flag that, maybe not to set one's expectations too high relative to the existing project budget.

[2:21:29] Voice 9: it. Also on the communication side of things, I think that is a conversation, you know, I don't

[2:21:35] Voice 9: anticipate that we are going to have the resources to do Salt Spring specific communications. But as

[2:21:41] Voice 9: Trustee Patrick pointed out, there was a conversation at Financial Planning Committee

[2:21:45] Voice 9: yesterday around the need for better communications on the project. And so I think that is a topic

[2:21:50] Voice 9: to which executive committee um is alive well

[2:21:56] Voice 4: i i'm sorry go ahead trustee harris

[2:22:00] Voice 4: oh

[2:22:01] Voice 11: sorry oh thank you um so just going back and thinking about some things that have been said

[2:22:09] Voice 11: at governance committee and i'm pretty sure at trust council regarding this and um and the thought

[2:22:15] Voice 11: of the um you know especially in regards to salt spring and and specific um types of engagement for

[2:22:22] Voice 11: salt spring um you know in relation to the idea that the passing of the policy statement will

[2:22:31] Voice 11: have to come from a majority of the population of the um trust area now that's that still hasn't

[2:22:37] Voice 11: been ironed out but if that's the case clearly salt spring has a large um a large percentage

[2:22:44] Voice 11: of the population of the islands trust area so with that you know i think um perhaps if money

[2:22:51] Voice 11: needs to be spent if we can get a good turnout it will be money well spent and just off the top of

[2:22:55] Voice 11: my head and i sort of think along the lines of they'll be we clearly need something on the front

[2:23:01] Voice 11: page of the driftwood an in-depth um you know article um you know containing a lot of what

[2:23:08] Voice 11: trustee patrick had said earlier um especially in regards just to you know educating um folks on um

[2:23:18] Voice 11: on on the islands trust and the trust conservancy and um and the trust council ltcs and that type of

[2:23:25] Voice 11: thing in plain language um so driftwood um meanwhile on salt spring on facebook um the

[2:23:33] Voice 11: salt spring exchange clearly um advertising some sort of a town hall um at if it's the

[2:23:40] Voice 11: fulford hall or art spring something along those lines that to me would seem like a real honest

[2:23:45] Voice 11: effort at um at getting true um you know engagement from the community so um i'll throw it over to

[2:23:55] Voice 11: trustee patrick thank you i

[2:23:59] Voice 5: was going to say i think this is going to be a job for our chair

[2:24:03] Voice 5: to explain to his fellow executive

[2:24:06] Voice 5: that Salt Spring is a very large place.

[2:24:08] Voice 5: When this came up last term,

[2:24:11] Voice 5: the trustees were like,

[2:24:13] Voice 5: oh, just bring it back and chat with your island.

[2:24:15] Voice 5: Peter and I were like, chat with Salt Spring.

[2:24:19] Voice 5: How? Where?

[2:24:21] Voice 5: You can't have a couple of trustees

[2:24:22] Voice 5: just out there walking down the street

[2:24:25] Voice 5: talking to people.

[2:24:26] Voice 5: I can tell you it comes up at every dinner party,

[2:24:28] Voice 5: every event you're at.

[2:24:31] Voice 5: People are aware.

[2:24:35] Voice 5: but you know it needs to be planned well and set up so that people are interested and i can tell

[2:24:44] Voice 5: you that day in the park there's a lot of people interested on salt spring um and what this means

[2:24:50] Voice 5: so um we may need

[2:24:55] Voice 5: more budget on salt spring than splitting 20,000 across 13 islands and i'm gonna

[2:25:01] Voice 5: to let Tim do that battling for us on that.

[2:25:07] Voice 5: Because I think, to me, that's the whole point of this process

[2:25:10] Voice 5: is to get people to raise their issues if they have them

[2:25:14] Voice 5: and that we can make sure we address them

[2:25:17] Voice 5: in the final policy statement when it gets approved.

[2:25:23] Voice 5: So we want to encourage voices to be raised now

[2:25:29] Voice 5: Now, there are concerns, hopefully, we've done our work, the draft that gets brought out to

[2:25:35] Voice 5: them will be quite palatable. So that's our hope. So I guess if we were to make, I think we need to request a robust communications materials, effort, it's not just materials,

[2:25:59] Voice 5: because it's the effort.

[2:26:00] Voice 5: How do you

[2:26:01] Voice 5: get it out there?

[2:26:03] Voice 5: Some of it will cost money.

[2:26:04] Voice 5: It won't be free placement.

[2:26:10] Voice 5: And it will have to be timed.

[2:26:12] Voice 5: It can't be done a week before the event.

[2:26:14] Voice 5: It needs to be escalated up to give people time

[2:26:19] Voice 5: to get interest so that we can request a robust communications

[2:26:26] Voice 5: effort.

[2:26:29] Voice 5: And I

[2:26:31] Voice 5: guess option five, it might be more than one, just a information meeting, information.

[2:26:46] Voice 5: I think it's got to be is was the intent Jason for number for just information out for it

[2:26:54] Voice 5: like more like a town hall style, I guess it's a town hall, but it's a community led

[2:26:59] Voice 5: information meeting and town hall yeah we

[2:27:04] Voice 9: can we can certainly structure it um in a way that is to

[2:27:10] Voice 9: the to the benefit of of the trustees right and to and to staff to aggregate information so in the

[2:27:16] Voice 9: past i've participated in these sorts of events where the first part of the meeting is sort of

[2:27:22] Voice 9: an information out or an answering of questions that may come in but but largely um staff or

[2:27:28] Voice 9: trustees communicating information to the public and then the latter half of the event can be the

[2:27:33] Voice 9: public communicating to the trustees or to staff what they think of the thing of the policy statement

[2:27:40] Voice 9: in this case i

[2:27:42] Voice 5: mean

[2:27:43] Voice 4: i absolutely vision the trustees have to be present

[2:27:45] Voice 5: um this isn't a

[2:27:47] Voice 4: from the staff out there this we need to be there and be present to hear yeah

[2:27:55] Voice 6: and i just wanted to

[2:27:56] Voice 6: to um say as far as the funding goes um uh despite despite the fact that ec's proposal back to

[2:28:08] Voice 6: financial planning committee which was based on financial planning committee request ec uh to

[2:28:14] Voice 6: reduce budget i think that if we uh once once the trust area services staff get a look at how all

[2:28:22] Voice 6: all the LTCs are wanting

[2:28:24] Voice 4: to do this engagement work.

[2:28:28] It would be a slightly clearer picture of what the dollars look like.

[2:28:33] And absolutely, I have no problem advocating at EC for whatever LTC,

[2:28:43] Voice 6: whatever this LTC feels is appropriate.

[2:28:46] Voice 6: If that's two in-person option fives

[2:28:51] Voice 6: and an option six or whatever is deemed appropriate,

[2:28:57] Voice 6: I'm more than happy to go and advocate for that

[2:29:00] Voice 6: at the EC level and at the financial planning committee

[2:29:02] Voice 6: level and do this the way that the local trustees

[2:29:09] think it ought to be done here.

[2:29:10] So I just want to make that clear.

[2:29:12] I don't, I wouldn't think we should ask for

[2:29:16] Voice 4: what we think is appropriate and that means

[2:29:20] Voice 4: that the budget has to be adjusted then so be it.

[2:29:26] Voice 5: I'm going to start just drafting a motion here by words Trustee Harris, please kick

[2:29:31] Voice 5: in, don't second it yet, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request a robust

[2:29:38] Voice 5: robust communications effort

[2:29:40] Voice 4: and staff

[2:29:48] Voice 5: -led community information meetings with an S on the end

[2:29:52] Voice 5: slash town halls outside of regular

[2:29:58] Voice 4: LTC.

[2:30:00] Voice 4: times okay

[2:30:08] Voice 6: and i just want to check in with mr yeomans here uh you've heard our conversation

[2:30:14] Voice 6: is this does uh do you feel like that the wording there gets where you where it needs to be should

[2:30:24] we specify like local multiple of local publications as part of that communication or

[2:30:30] or

[2:30:31] Voice 6: have you heard that in a way

[2:30:32] Voice 9: that yeah i mean

[2:30:34] Voice 9: i i think that aspect of of the of the resolution

[2:30:37] Voice 9: is is reasonably clear i think we probably know what you're driving at um if i would have one

[2:30:42] Voice 9: request it's it's perhaps that you put a number on the amount or on the number of public events

[2:30:48] Voice 9: that you would like to see because we need to begin costing those out

[2:30:53] Voice 5: exactly i would put two

[2:31:00] Voice 11: It sounds, I think we should be able to work with that, honestly.

[2:31:05] Voice 11: It's important that,

[2:31:06] Voice 11: sorry, go ahead.

[2:31:08] Voice 14: Don't finish up.

[2:31:11] Voice 11: Well, I was just going to say, you know, we'll get to this stuff later,

[2:31:14] Voice 11: what I was just going to mention, but, you know, it's crucial.

[2:31:16] Voice 11: The timing is crucial of these meetings,

[2:31:18] Voice 11: and we have to be wary and take into account holidays and, you know,

[2:31:22] Voice 11: what not, because we want to get as many people out as we possibly can.

[2:31:26] Voice 11: And the prequel to the meetings would be these multiple publication information packages that we put out, i.e. the Driftwood, Meanwhile on Salt Spring, Salt Spring Exchange, etc.

[2:31:40] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:31:41] Voice 14: Yeah. And I was just going to mention that my thoughts prior to the start of your motion was I was thinking we should request option five times

[2:31:52] Voice 6: two plus an option six.

[2:31:55] Voice 6: but what

[2:31:56] Voice 8: do

[2:31:57] Voice 6: you think about option six not so much you think the meetings i mean just just in

[2:32:02] Voice 6: terms of having somebody whether it was that you know in kanji's when there's market activity or

[2:32:10] Voice 6: whatever just to get the passers-by but again i'll

[2:32:14] Voice 5: leave that to you it's a tough one i mean

[2:32:15] Voice 5: so saturday market generally islanders don't go there unless they've got company

[2:32:21] Voice 6: so we

[2:32:22] Voice 5: stay away from town i don't

[2:32:25] Voice 6: i don't have this is why i want to have a conversation

[2:32:27] Voice 6: but is is there do you think there is a more island um islander friendly public space for

[2:32:36] Voice 6: that or no because if not that's okay we don't have to add

[2:32:40] Voice 5: again it's too complex i mean quite

[2:32:42] Voice 5: often people will stand outside the grocery store and that has its you know that's for quick

[2:32:48] Voice 5: quick yeah

[2:32:49] Voice 8: that's

[2:32:50] Voice 5: not an in-depth conversation

[2:32:52] Voice 5: it's we're too big of an island

[2:32:54] Voice 4: that there is

[2:32:55] Voice 4: no one good place you know demographics of different places they go you know if you

[2:33:00] Voice 5: really want to hit people go to the soccer games at portlock park and um you know hang out there

[2:33:09] Voice 5: and talk to parents um you know that might be something you know it would take that kind of

[2:33:14] Voice 5: innovation um because that's where young families go you know if you want to talk to older people

[2:33:22] Voice 5: hang out at the library um you know so we have very different demographics that show up

[2:33:28] Voice 5: different types of events so it would get complicated one booth would not satisfy a wide

[2:33:34] Voice 5: demographic and

[2:33:36] Voice 4: i see um mr chair uh if you want to point out it is unfortunately not in a public

[2:33:42] Voice 4: agenda but Mr. Buchan did recently provide a memo to you all regarding the second stage of

[2:33:49] Voice 4: engagement regarding our complete communities project it involves a variety of tools and

[2:33:55] Voice 4: ways that we tend to engage not only with community hall meetings but also with

[2:34:00] Voice 4: attendance at and posting at a number of venues around the community so poster I think has been

[2:34:08] Voice 4: been a rethinking for us lately um so i just wanted to suggest that might be a platform that

[2:34:13] Voice 4: i don't think i don't really have a way to take it um take it forward today with you um into a

[2:34:20] Voice 4: resolution of any kind other than to suggest that you work with uh mr buck and of course

[2:34:26] Voice 4: moving in our salt spring engagement world and getting feedback good and bad on uh what's working

[2:34:33] Voice 4: and what's not so um that may be a constructive for you approaching um the nuts and bolts of this

[2:34:39] Voice 4: uh the budget question is certainly another i will comment yeah well

[2:34:46] Voice 5: i think i think robust

[2:34:47] Voice 5: communications is doesn't what works works i think um uh i can't even say your title so i just

[2:34:58] Voice 5: say jason i think jason knows

[2:35:00] Voice 5: the challenges on salt spring

[2:35:01] Voice 5: the book how

[2:35:03] Voice 4: would you know there is no one answer unfortunately okay

[2:35:10] Voice 6: so circling back to the uh

[2:35:12] Voice 6: draft motion there i definitely heard that we want to specify a number of option five um well i just

[2:35:22] Voice 5: we combined it so we can't say option okay well however

[2:35:26] Voice 5: the draft right now or i didn't read the

[2:35:28] Voice 5: the motion

[2:35:28] Voice 8: request

[2:35:31] Voice 5: a robust communications effort

[2:35:36] Voice 5: and plan for two staff-led community information meetings

[2:35:40] Voice 5: slash town halls

[2:35:41] Voice 4: to be held outside of regular times

[2:35:45] Voice 4: for phase four community engagement

[2:35:47] Voice 4: of the new

[2:35:48] Voice 15: draft Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[2:35:51] Voice 6: Okay, let's take that as moved.

[2:35:53] Voice 6: I

[2:35:54] Voice 11: will second the motion.

[2:35:56] Voice 6: And seconded by Trustee Harris.

[2:35:58] Voice 6: us uh any further discussion um um mr yeomans i i know you heard or i assume you heard uh

[2:36:06] Voice 6: uh region planning manager hutton's um comments there and maybe you can reach out to planner

[2:36:13] Voice 6: bucket and and uh just you know talk talk about those options a little bit and then

[2:36:21] we

[2:36:21] Voice 6: do have some lead time here which is nice so we can think about the best strategies

[2:36:25] Voice 6: to get the info out there and other than that

[2:36:30] Voice 6: any further discussion on the motion trustee

[2:36:32] Voice 6: the

[2:36:33] Voice 4: only other thing is i think i encourage

[2:36:35] Voice 5: you to go to jason and you chair peterson said

[2:36:41] Voice 5: say our population when having those power a community of 12 000 people what is adequate for

[2:36:49] Voice 4: for a community of 12,000 people, it's important.

[2:36:57] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:36:58] Voice 8: Okay,

[2:37:01] Voice 6: anything further on the motion on the floor?

[2:37:04] Voice 11: Well, I would just add and want to amplify

[2:37:06] Voice 11: what Trustee Patrick has just said there,

[2:37:10] Voice 11: because what is an adequate amount of public engagement?

[2:37:15] Voice 11: Because this is crucial.

[2:37:17] Voice 11: If it's such a minuscule percentage

[2:37:19] Voice 11: compared to what came out for our election,

[2:37:23] Voice 11: um for trustees at the last you know last election then clearly it's a failure um in my

[2:37:32] Voice 11: in my eye um so i'm just i'm hoping that we can you know really shoot for a as trustee patrick

[2:37:41] Voice 11: put it in the motion a very robust public engagement um regarding this i'll leave it at

[2:37:48] Voice 11: that thank you all

[2:37:51] Voice 6: right uh given that and thank you very much i'm going to call the question all

[2:37:55] Voice 6: those in favor and that carries uh we're getting close well we still have a few items left i'm

[2:38:11] Voice 6: wondering we've been at it for a couple hours maybe a uh break would be appropriate and then

[2:38:17] we'll get into the last uh section here so um we are fairly close yeah i know but

[2:38:28] Voice 6: i'm thinking like 10 10 or 15 is that good okay let's go let's go 15 give ourselves a little

[2:38:35] minute or so uh recess for 15 minutes can we go to 10 uh there are some people

[2:38:41] oh 10 okay okay so

[2:38:43] Voice 6: let's come back at uh at 3 22 that 10 minutes

[2:38:48] Voice 6: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:38:50] Voice 6: I'm

[2:39:01] Voice 4: holding a certain time.

[2:39:02] Voice 4: I'm going to do a pickup today.

[2:39:05] Voice 4: Oh, okay.

[2:39:06] Fair enough.

[2:39:09] Voice 7: I'm going to pick her as my barrier.

[2:47:04] Voice 7: Trustee

[2:47:06] Voice 14: Harris, are you with us?

[2:48:52] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:48:53] Voice 6: We're at 322, so let's

[2:48:55] Voice 6: call the meeting back to order.

[2:48:59] Voice 6: We are

[2:49:00] Voice 6: at item 15.4

[2:49:02] union of BCMS

[2:49:04] colleagues and association

[2:49:16] Voice 4: I

[2:49:17] Voice 5: would hope that both Trustee Harris and I can attend AVICC

[2:49:28] Voice 4: and BCM, or Salisbury.

[2:49:35] so trustee harris is interested in going or we could make a resolution that covered both of us

[2:49:42] Voice 5: the event that he becomes interested in going or

[2:49:47] Voice 4: hearing us trustee

[2:49:53] Voice 6: harris are you with us

[2:50:04] Voice 6: don't

[2:50:05] Voice 14: think there's any harm in making a resolution to cover both trustees and then

[2:50:09] Voice 14: turns out that's not the case at the time of registration then it's okay

[2:50:12] Voice 14: yeah

[2:50:13] Voice 5: um i'll move the salt spring um local trust committee um attendance

[2:50:24] Voice 4: or cover attendance or

[2:50:27] Voice 4: what would be the right words cover expenses for attendance yeah um authorize attendance

[2:50:39] Voice 4: Okay. Attendance at UBCM and BICC for local trustees for 2045? For 2045, I think. Okay.

[2:51:02] Voice 4: And have you got that? Is it, could it be that the Salt Spring Island local trust can you authorize

[2:51:12] Voice 4: both local trustees to attend the 2025 bbcm convention and the

[2:51:22] Voice 4: excellent

[2:51:23] Voice 6: okay uh moved and i'll second that um further discussion

[2:51:37] Voice 6: okay uh i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed and motion carries

[2:51:48] okay so then at 15.5 we had uh beach at groundland referral

[2:51:57] Voice 5: um just to patrick

[2:52:01] Voice 5: um you know i think we've heard a lot of questions today people assume that the local trust committee

[2:52:08] Voice 5: was aware and about to make decisions in regard to

[2:52:11] Voice 5: baker beach i think it's important for people

[2:52:14] Voice 5: people to know that I learned about Baker Beach

[2:52:16] Voice 5: from Facebook in September.

[2:52:20] Voice 5: And that was a bit surprising.

[2:52:24] Voice 5: I know we have a Crown Lease Referral

[2:52:27] Voice 5: Memorandum of Understanding, but it is elderly.

[2:52:32] Voice 5: And I wanted to make a motion to ask the executive committee

[2:52:36] Voice 5: to review the referral process

[2:52:39] Voice 5: process, and these older members of understanding, because the processes that are described in

[2:52:49] Voice 5: there seem quite reasonable to me, and I don't know why they're not in place today.

[2:52:53] Voice 5: So that's, that's, that's my biggest concern, because I think, you know, these problems

[2:53:02] Voice 5: referrals can be quite of interest to the public, and we are part of the process, we're

[2:53:09] Voice 5: of the process and then have delegated permit uh delegated authority for permits so you know we

[2:53:17] Voice 5: receive receive those so uh you

[2:53:23] Voice 4: know that puts us in a real

[2:53:26] Voice 5: tenuous situation certainly and i'll

[2:53:30] Voice 14: just add to that that um i've had some course clients with uh both director marler and director

[2:53:39] Voice 14: director Cermak and have some advice about sort of essentially keeping the LTC in the loop and

[2:53:53] also that we would have an option to direct staff to send additional information

[2:54:04] and so uh you have a uh you've got a draft motion you mentioned i have uh two draft motions one

[2:54:12] which is about

[2:54:13] Voice 4: uh forwarding

[2:54:15] Voice 14: the public correspondence we've received uh as additional

[2:54:19] Voice 14: information and

[2:54:20] Voice 4: the petition yeah

[2:54:21] Voice 14: i would assume that would be part of it and then um the other

[2:54:26] Voice 14: one would be about directing staff to uh to directly provide the ltc with uh ground at least

[2:54:35] Voice 14: referrals and adding them to our

[2:54:39] Voice 4: uh applications report so those are the those two are based on uh

[2:54:44] Voice 4: my discussions with the director of our direct survey well

[2:54:47] Voice 5: it's interesting i mean the other

[2:54:48] Voice 5: thing is our website for salt spring has active application page and it's out of date dramatically

[2:54:59] development permit areas.

[2:55:00] Voice 5: None at this time. It has referrals. It says none at this time.

[2:55:04] Voice 5: So I think we either should make sure that that page is updated. I know we have the new

[2:55:11] Voice 5: system, which I would like to point out, trustees have received no training on application system.

[2:55:23] Voice 5: So we're kind of in a void of information. Not that we can get much information off of

[2:55:28] Voice 5: that system you just get if

[2:55:29] Voice 4: there's an open application you can

[2:55:31] Voice 5: access the application so

[2:55:34] Voice 5: it's a we're kind of in a vacuum of not a lot of information so i'll make the first motion

[2:55:40] Voice 5: i'll make the first motion i knew that the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:55:45] Voice 5: request the executive committee to review the crown lease referral process along with the

[2:55:50] Voice 4: relevancy of older crown land administration memorandum of understandings i'm not mistaken

[2:56:00] Voice 4: it's a letter of understanding i don't remember but it says

[2:56:03] Voice 4: the random one

[2:56:05] Voice 4: you're right it's a letter not that that's terrible

[2:56:09] Voice 6: but uh still moved and i will second

[2:56:15] Voice 6: that motion um any further discussion not

[2:56:23] Voice 4: seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:56:27] Voice 4: and that motion carries all

[2:56:31] Voice 6: right so i'll proceed uh the next one i have which is

[2:56:36] Voice 6: is I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:56:40] Voice 6: direct staff to forward public correspondence

[2:56:46] and do I need

[2:56:48] Voice 4: to specify the petition in the motion

[2:56:50] Voice 4: or will you take that?

[2:56:51] Voice 4: I didn't say that.

[2:56:53] Voice 4: You're asking for public correspondence of what sort?

[2:56:57] Voice 4: That we've received, the LTC has received on Baker Beach.

[2:57:00] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:57:02] Voice 4: okay it's been forwarded to groundland yeah okay so it's only forwarded to lpc yes you would like

[2:57:19] Voice 4: all that we would like it to be forwarded to yes and the petition that we received today so

[2:57:25] Voice 4: my question was whether i need to specify the petition i would specify okay so

[2:57:30] Voice 6: it would be um

[2:57:31] Voice 6: that salt spring island local trustee trust committee direct staff to forward

[2:57:37] Voice 6: forward public correspondence and the petition received

[2:57:43] Voice 6: regarding the Baker Beach Crownland

[2:57:45] Voice 14: lease referral

[2:57:47] Voice 14: as additional information to the province.

[2:57:56] Voice 4: Moved, seconded.

[2:58:00] Voice 4: Sure, go ahead.

[2:58:03] Voice 4: That the Salisbury Island Local Test Committee request,

[2:58:07] Voice 4: no, sorry, that the Salisbury Island Local Test Committee

[2:58:09] Voice 4: direct staff to forward public correspondence

[2:58:12] Voice 4: and the petition received regarding the Baker Beach Area Crown Lease Referral as additional

[2:58:18] Voice 4: information to the province.

[2:58:20] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:58:21] Voice 4: It's Crown Lease Referral 141517.

[2:58:27] Voice 4: Thank you for the dedication there.

[2:58:32] Voice 4: Crown Lease.

[2:58:36] Voice 4: I'm going to change the word.

[2:58:46] Voice 6: Discussion?

[2:58:49] Voice 6: Not seeing any.

[2:58:50] Voice 6: I'll call the question.

[2:58:52] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[2:58:55] Voice 6: Any opposed?

[2:58:56] Voice 11: I didn't see anybody second that, did they?

[2:59:02] Voice 11: or oh

[2:59:02] Voice 6: trustee patrick seconded it okay

[2:59:05] Voice 11: thank you um will there be a third motion uh

[2:59:10] Voice 6: yeah i've got

[2:59:10] Voice 6: a third motion ready um but you're you're i didn't see you voted in favor or opposed so

[2:59:16] Voice 6: i believe the motion carries okay and then the final motion would be it i'll just i'll just

[2:59:24] Voice 6: read it out and then um it's not quite correct with maybe uh amended as we go um so i would

[2:59:33] Voice 6: move that the sultan local trust committee direct staff to provide

[2:59:38] the local

[2:59:39] Voice 6: trust committee with crown land lease referrals um with uh sufficient time

[2:59:47] Voice 6: for consideration and response and that they be added to the regular applications report

[3:00:10] Voice 4: That the Salt Lake Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to provide the Local Trust Committee

[3:00:17] Voice 4: with Crown land lease referrals with sufficient time for consideration of response and that

[3:00:24] Voice 4: may be added to the applications.

[3:00:30] Voice 6: So moved, seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[3:00:34] Voice 6: Discussion?

[3:00:35] Voice 6: Mr.

[3:00:37] Voice 4: Chair, I think it's important that the Crown referral timeline is taken by the Crown.

[3:00:44] I think this will trigger it likely given that we have a monthly opinion.

[3:00:49] Voice 4: I think our Crown referral timeline is 60 days.

[3:00:57] Okay, so we'll typically be asking for extensions

[3:01:00] Voice 4: as a matter of course if this is the case.

[3:01:05] Voice 4: I think it's a fine approach is there an expectation of an assessment and recommendation

[3:01:14] there can be quite numerous crime referrals at times by and large mundane

[3:01:36] Voice 4: yeah

[3:01:38] Voice 6: so so my thought on this and I see your interest here so I'll come to you in a moment

[3:01:43] Voice 6: My thought on this is that the LTC may want to make some specifications about which type of specific referrals are the most appropriate or needed to be seen.

[3:02:01] But I also didn't want to spend a lot of time trying to

[3:02:05] Voice 6: hash that out today.

[3:02:06] Voice 6: today. So I think that we can, if need be,

[3:02:10] we can either go back and rescind this later and,

[3:02:14] and change it to be more specific if, if, if that,

[3:02:18] if it becomes, you know, essentially onerous,

[3:02:22] but I think that given what we've heard from the public

[3:02:26] today, and I think it's, it's,

[3:02:29] there's a certain level of expectation from the public that

[3:02:32] the local trust committee should be at least well informed

[3:02:36] about these and in some cases providing input

[3:02:42] into a response beyond the technical staff end of things.

[3:02:48] So that's the intent of this motion.

[3:02:51] Certainly it's, as I say, we can adjust as we see needed.

[3:02:57] And

[3:02:58] Voice 6: if staff has some recommendations around sort of criteria

[3:03:03] Voice 6: that we might want to consider at a feature time,

[3:03:06] Voice 4: then that's fine too

[3:03:07] Voice 6: um yeah so i see trustee harrison i'll come to trustee patrick go ahead

[3:03:13] Voice 6: trustee harris thank

[3:03:16] Voice 11: you chair peterson yeah you know i it this is pretty confusing to me um

[3:03:23] Voice 11: honestly i'm the fact that this that we don't have more pull and what's going on here like

[3:03:31] Voice 11: as it sits right now i'm very much opposed to um to this thing going ahead on baker beach

[3:03:40] Voice 11: personally um you know i see what kind of hoops people have to run through or or it's actually

[3:03:47] Voice 11: impossible for some people to put in a dock now and um you know it wasn't that long ago we were

[3:03:55] Voice 11: you know as as logging goes we couldn't dump logs into burgoyne bay anymore and now this is

[3:04:02] Voice 11: going to be okay so you know what what power do we have to to actually do something here i would

[3:04:11] Voice 11: like to know um if that's a question for staff um but i support the motion um i would just like to

[3:04:17] Voice 11: know how far we can go with it um what's halting this at this point

[3:04:25] Voice 5: uh the letters of understanding

[3:04:30] Voice 5: layout processes that just make sense and sort of allow if there's concerns there's concerns

[3:04:34] Voice 5: this process so i think if we can establish

[3:04:37] Voice 4: whether these are out of date or get some new

[3:04:39] Voice 4: new process in place i think it'll help everybody just have clarity yeah

[3:04:43] Voice 6: i think that's that's

[3:04:45] Voice 6: certainly the intent of

[3:04:47] Voice 14: uh i think all three of the motions on this this uh topic today so um

[3:04:55] Voice 6: all right anything further on the motion speed right uh i'll call the question then all those

[3:05:01] Voice 6: in favor that carries okay and further our we will just move along we have the policy

[3:05:12] Voice 6: and standing resolutions list for information the future projects report uh debate november

[3:05:19] 2024 we have the active projects list report um just check in with staff see if there's anything

[3:05:29] on that today no

[3:05:31] Voice 6: nothing from staff

[3:05:32] Voice 4: today teacher okay

[3:05:33] Voice 6: um application so status report

[3:05:39] just

[3:05:39] Voice 5: want to make kind

[3:05:40] Voice 4: of talking to it today but i think wait to the next meeting

[3:05:43] Voice 4: um there's an awful lot of resumings um and i think we should ask that but let's do that at

[3:05:51] Voice 4: the next meeting of uh looking at the validity of some of these older siblings if they're

[3:06:04] Voice 4: it's something that we owe you a bit of a report on what the status possibly reports of

[3:06:09] Voice 4: for simple cancellation um it's been something we've been trying to get to um so yeah we can

[3:06:17] Voice 4: we can certainly bring that back and we build a list of sort of the recent status of those

[3:06:23] Voice 4: resuming after the older rebuilding applications. Contrarily, we have actually quite a few coming

[3:06:31] Voice 4: in right now. I think we've opened up three or four. I don't expect that pace to continue,

[3:06:42] Voice 4: we just have a little run on them right now. But they are, some are related to enforcement,

[3:06:47] some are related to resolving TUPs.

[3:06:56] Voice 6: Okay, and I just want to recognize that

[3:06:59] Voice 6: i did not um bring

[3:07:03] Voice 14: forward a resolution about the uh meeting

[3:07:07] Voice 4: with the lcc um so we were going to do

[3:07:10] Voice 4: that so i was going

[3:07:12] Voice 6: to do that an

[3:07:12] Voice 4: upcoming meeting but i'm also going to propose that we do that

[3:07:16] Voice 4: before we go into the post session so uh anything else on the report section nope okay so our next

[3:07:24] regular meeting is scheduled for 9 30 a.m right here december 12th and we have uh an outstanding

[3:07:34] resolution that's required so uh for the joint meeting so i move that salt spring island local

[3:07:40] trust committee request staff to schedule an in-person special meeting for the capital

[3:07:45] regional district

[3:07:46] Voice 6: local community commission at

[3:07:48] Voice 4: 11 30 a.m on tuesday november 19th 2024

[3:07:51] 24 at Meaden Hall, 120 Lane Road, Salt Spring

[3:07:54] Voice 4: Island, BC, to discuss issues of mutual interest.

[3:07:58] Voice 4: I'll second.

[3:08:01] Voice 4: Moved.

[3:08:02] Voice 4: Seconded.

[3:08:03] Voice 4: And I'll look for any discussion.

[3:08:07] A for a straightforward call to question.

[3:08:10] All those in favor?

[3:08:14] Voice 6: Any opposed?

[3:08:17] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, were you opposed?

[3:08:20] Voice 11: No, I was in favor, but there was some lag time on the hand.

[3:08:23] Voice 11: going up there so i

[3:08:25] Voice 4: know how the internet works and it doesn't work sometimes okay so

[3:08:30] Voice 11: i'm sorry i

[3:08:31] Voice 11: i was i was for i was for the motion not opposed um but there

[3:08:36] Voice 11: was lag time in the hand going up

[3:08:37] Voice 6: understood so the motion carried unanimously uh okay so then we next have a motion to move

[3:08:47] Voice 6: into closed meeting i move that

[3:08:49] Voice 5: the salisbury island local trust meeting closes meeting to

[3:08:51] Voice 5: public subject to community charter 91f

[3:08:54] Voice 4: to consider a law enforcement issue that the

[3:08:56] Voice 4: disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under for

[3:09:02] Voice 4: enforcement

[3:09:03] Voice 5: of an enactment that stuff

[3:09:05] Voice 4: be invited to remain uh moved uh second

[3:09:11] Voice 4: motion um any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all

[3:09:18] Voice 14: those in favor

[3:09:20] Voice 10: in favor and

[3:09:22] Voice 14: uh carries so we'll just give a moment for a member of public to

[3:09:29] Voice 14: leave the meeting and close the webinar

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
November 14, 2024 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2024 
  
Location: Meaden Hall 
120 Blain Road, Salt Spring Island  
and Electronic Meeting (Zoom)  
  
 
Members Present: 
 
 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
Jamie Harris, Local Trustee (Zoom) 
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee   
 
Staff Present: 
 
Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Jason Youmans, Senior Policy Advisor (Zoom) 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement and Compliance Manager (Zoom) 
Bruce Belcher, Planner 1 (Zoom) 
Oluwashogo Garuba, Planner 1 
Rob Pingle, Legislative Clerk 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder 
 
Others Present: Gary  Holman,  Capital  Regional  District  (CRD)  Salt  Spring  Island Electoral 
Area Director 
Earl   Rook, Capital   Regional   District   (CRD)   Salt   Spring   Island Local 
Community Commission (LCC) Chair 
There were approximately 29 members of the public in attendance 
 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
 
Chair  Peterson  called  the  meeting  to  order  at 12:30 p.m., introduced  Trustees  and  staff and 
acknowledged that the meeting was held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
 The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
15.1.1 OCP LUB Projects – Community to Community (C2C) Funding 
15.5 Baker Road Beach Area Crown Lease Referral  
18.1  Special Meeting with the Local Community Commission (LCC) 
 
 By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 

 
 
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A member of the public expressed concerns regarding the Baker Beach Area Proposal including that 
the  Penelakut  Tribe  has  not  been  properly  informed  of  the  project  and  Baker  Beach  has  been  a 
traditional clam harvesting area. 
 
A member of the public spoke on behalf of Keep Salt Spring Sustainable and Positively Forward and 
expressed support for the community concerns regarding the Baker Beach Area Proposal and asked 
the LTC to take actions to protect Baker Beach. The member of the public also expressed concern 
regarding application PLRZ20240145 (200 Collins Road) including that there are no assurances that 
the cottage would provide affordable rental housing and that the property could potentially be an 
archeological site. 
 
Delegation  Mielle Chandler  read  a  statement  regarding  the  impacts  to  their  property  and  family 
due to the lack of access to Islands Trust permits. 
 
Diana  Thompson presented  a  petition addressed  to the  Ministry  of  Water,  Land  and  Resource 
Stewardship dated November 13, 2024, to put a hold on Crown Lease application 1415573 (Baker 
Beach Area Crown Lease) pending a list of requests. 
 
Kathleen  Masser read a statement entitled “Response to Baker Beach Shoreline Modification 
Initiative  Submitted  by  the  Nature Salt Spring Steering Committee” regarding opposition to the 
proposed inter-tidal modifications in the Baker Beach Area Project. 
 
Two members of the public spoke in opposition to the Baker Beach Area Project. 
 
Two members of the public presented a statement in support of the Baker Beach Area Crown Lease 
application and advised the property owners are in the process of consulting with First Nations and 
the property  owners  have  developed  a website that  is available  to  the  public  regarding  the 
proposed Baker Road Beach project. 
 
One member of the public asked for clarification regarding the next steps for the Baker Beach Area 
Crown  Lease application. RPM  Hutton  reported  staff  responded  to  the Crown Lease referral 
indicating that the proposal generally meets Islands Trust policies and regulations except that the 
proposal is within a Shoreline Development Permit Area (DPA).  There are four properties that have 
submitted development permit applications for works within a Shoreline DPA, and the permits have 
not  been  issued  at  this  time. Development permit  applications  are  considered  within  the 
Development Permit Delegation  Bylaw that requires a professional reliant model and do  not  get 
forwarded to the LTC. Staff may approve, deny or refer the development permit applications to the 
LTC. Each property has submitted a single development permit application, and all four properties 
have submitted a single Crown Lease application. 
 
A  member  of  the  public  asked  for  clarification  regarding  the  professional  reliance  model and 
referral  process for  the Baker  Beach  Area Project.  RPM  Hutton  reported  the  applicants hire  a 
qualified professional in a professional reliance model. 
 
A member of the public acknowledged the First Nations land acknowledgement at the beginning of 
the meeting and asked if staff or the LTC has met with First Nations regarding the Baker Beach Area 
Crown  Lease application.  RPM  Hutton  reported  the  Crown  has  the  duty  to  consult  in  the Baker 

 
 
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Beach Area Crown Lease application process and Islands Trust staff have received comments and 
questions from First Nations regarding the proposed project.  
 
4.  DELEGATIONS  
 
 4.1 Mielle Chandler - Regarding financial barriers to applying for Temporary Use Permits  
 
  Delegation Mielle Chandler presented a statement regarding financial barriers to applying for 
Temporary Use Permits. A Trustee thanked M. Chandler for the presentation and agreed that 
many people on Salt Spring Island are going through difficult times due to procedures, fees 
and application processing times. 
 
 4.2  Debbie Magnusson - Regarding the Baker Road Beach Project 
 
Delegation Debbie Magnusson presented a statement of opposition to the Baker Beach Area 
Crown  Lease  Application and  requested staff to  confirm  whether  Baker  Beach  could  be 
protected   with   an Islands   Trust   Conservancy conservation   covenant. D.   Magnusson 
requested more partners to be involved in assessing the professional reports regarding the 
project, requested a meeting with the applicants to find natural and less engineered solutions 
and requested that the process be slowed down. D. Magnusson expressed concerns including 
whether First Nations have been consulted and asked the LTC to use a cautious approach and 
work  cooperatively  to  guarantee that the spawning  ground  is  protected. The  Delegation 
submitted a document entitled “Addendum to: Points to be brought to the November 14, 
2024 LTC”. 
 
5. TRUSTEE REPORTS 
 
Trustee Harris reported he is paying close attention to Trust Council’s request for the Province to 
review the Islands Trust Act. 
 
Trustee Patrick presented the following report: 
 It was an honour to lay the wreath at the cenotaph for the Islands Trust at the Remembrance 
Day ceremony. 
 Trustee Patrick, RPM Hutton and Bryan Young from Transitions Salt Spring are representing Salt 
Spring Island in a  pilot  program called  CONEXT, a program  designed to support communities 
through the next steps in their climate preparedness. 
 Attended a meeting with local representatives of the Salt Spring Island Accommodation Group 
and noted the  group  is committed  to  working  with  the  LTC  and  the CRD  Local  Community 
Commission to modernize short term rental management. 
 Attended a meeting with community services to talk about challenges with developing housing 
projects in Ganges. 
 Attended a meeting regarding the North Salt Spring Waterworks District moratorium along with 
our staff, the CRD and the Salt Spring Island Fire Protection District. 
 Attended a Complete  Communities meeting  with  key  stakeholders  to  discuss  the  maps  and 
scenarios. 
 Attended two meetings regarding the Salish Sea Network Trail. 
 Attended the final Reconciliation Learning Group gathering. 

 
 
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 Attended several Trust Council standing committee meetings including the Financial Planning 
Committee, the Governance Committee and the Regional Planning Committee.  
 The Islands Trust is welcoming Reuban Bronee into the role as CAO. 
 Participated in the Trust Council committee of the whole discussion regarding the Islands Trust 
policy statement. 
 Participated in the Chapter of Climate Caucus that is working on land use guidelines for climate 
change. 
 Attended celebrations for Adam Olsen’s service as Saanich  North  and  Southern  Gulf  Islands 
MLA. 
 
6. CHAIR'S REPORT  
 
Chair Peterson presented the following report: 
 Attended Trust Council committee of the whole meetings regarding the Islands Trust policy 
statement. 
 Attended meetings with the Governance Committee, Trust Programs Committee and the 
Financial Planning Committee. 
 The next Trust Council will be December 3 to 5, 2024 in Victoria.  
 New CAO Rueban Bronee will be attending the next Trust Council meetings. 
 A San Juan Council member will be attending the next Trust Council meeting regarding issues 
of mutual interest. 
 The next Trust Council will include consideration of the draft 2025/2026 budget, Strategic 
Planning, Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedures Bylaws, policies and procedures 
regarding delegations to Trust Council, the Dark Sky Principles advocacy and Code of Conduct 
review. 
 
7. CRD DIRECTOR’S REPORT   
 
CRD SSI Local Community Commission (LCC) Chair Earl Rook presented the following report: 
 The CRD Board has approved the provisional 2025 budget for Salt Spring Island that includes an 
approximate increase of 13%. 
 The  CRD  Board  is  considering  an  Alternate  Approval  Process  for  a  Regional  Transportation 
Service. 
 The next LCC meeting will be held November 14, 2024, at 5:00 p.m. and items on the agenda 
include Ganges Village Transportation Plan, strategic planning and harbour management. 
 The  LCC  is  working with  NSSWD  and  the  Islands  Trust  to  develop  a  Housing  Strategy  for  Salt 
Spring Island. 
 Developing a Bylaw review process. 
 Finalizing acquisition of the Phoenix School property for community use. 
 Approved space for a temporary winter warming space for people without housing at the SIMS 
building. 
 A joint meeting with the LCC and LTC is scheduled on November 19, 2024, at 4:30 p.m. 
 The CRD does not have jurisdiction regarding the Baker Beach proposed project although LCC 
Chair Rook advised he would ask staff regarding the issue that was raised regarding the reef in 
the Baker beach area and whether the CRD has jurisdiction in the area. 
 
8. PREVIOUS MEETINGS 

 
 
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 8.1  Draft Minutes of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee  
 
  8.1.1  Draft Minutes of the October 10, 2024, SSI LTC Regular Meeting - For Adoption  
 
By  general  consent, the  minutes  of October  10, 2024, Salt  Spring  Island Local  Trust 
Committee Regular meeting were adopted. 
 
  8.1.2  Draft Minutes of the August 22, 2024, SSI LTC Special Meeting - For Adoption  
 
The following item was presented for consideration: 
 Item 3.2 - Replace “Request for Accommodation Group roundtable LCC to host” 
with “LCC offered to host an Accommodation Group roundtable” 
 
By  general  consent, the  minutes  of August  22, 2024, Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust 
Committee Special meeting were adopted as amended. 
 
  8.1.3  Draft Minutes of the October 1, 2024, SSI LTC Special Meeting - For Adoption  
 
The following item was presented for consideration: 
 Item  3.5 - Replace “Fairness to owners of parking lots who have invested to 
meet parking requirements must be considered” with “Fairness to owners of 
commercial buildings who have invested to meet parking requirements must 
be considered” 
 
By  general  consent, the  minutes  of October  1, 2024, Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust 
Committee Special meeting were adopted as amended. 
  
8.2     Resolutions Without Meeting Report- None 
 
8.3 Draft Minutes of the Advisory Planning Commissions - None 
 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
 9.1 N.  Fraser  to  LTC  with  L.  Patrick  reply - October  26,  2024 - Regarding  Remembrance  Day 
Ceremony    
 
 9.2  M. Chandler to LTC - October 28, 2024 - Regarding Meeting Procedure Bylaw   
 
 9.3  K. Wiens to LTC - October 31, 2024 - Regarding Vessel Operation Restriction Regulations   
 
SS-2024-116 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee  forward correspondence  item 9.3  to the 
CRD  Local  Community  Commission and that  the  correspondence  item  be added  to  the 
November 19, 2024, joint meeting. 
CARRIED 
 

 
 
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 9.4  D. Thompson to LTC - October 31, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.5  A. Scaia to LTC - November 1, 2024 - Regarding commercial rental space in Ganges    
 
 9.6  B. Cherneff to LTC - November 1, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.7  A. Gargett to LTC - November 2, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.8  G. Kidd to LTC - November 2, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach  
 
 9.9  F. Hill to LTC - November 3, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.10  P. Grange to LTC - November 3, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.11  B. MacDonald to LTC - November 4, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.12  J. Kidd to LTC - November 4, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.13  J. Savin to LTC - November 4, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.14  K. Graves to LTC - November 4, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.15  M. Savin to LTC - November 4, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach    
 
 9.16  N. Layard to LTC - November 5, 2024 - Regarding Baker Road Beach   
 
  The correspondence items were received. 
 
10.  BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
 
10.1    Follow-Up Action List - Report dated November 2024  
 
  There was discussion regarding the “Housing Action Program” FUAL item.   
 
  By general consent, the the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee agreed to remove the 
Housing Action Program item from the FUAL report. 
 
  SS-2024-117 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
  That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee acknowledge that the Housing Task Force 
work program is complete and that the Chair send a letter to thank the members for their 
service and advise members that there are vacancies on Advisory Planning Commissions. 
  CARRIED  
   
  The report was received. 
 
11.  COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
 

 
 
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12. PUBLIC HEARING – None  
 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
 
13.1 PLTUP20240134 - C. Cavaliere - 126 Upper Ganges Rd, SSI    
 
Planner Belcher presented a staff report regarding a Temporary Use Permit application for 
the operation of a Benjamin Moore paint  store that is the current tenant of the Harbour’s 
End Building in the Salt Spring Marina. 
 
The applicants were present. 
 
SS-2024-118 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Temporary Use 
Permit PLTUP20240134 (126 Upper Ganges Road) for a period of three (3) years. 
CARRIED 
 
13.2 PLRZ20240145 - J. Litke - 200 Collins Road, SSI    
 
Planner  Garuba  presented  a  staff  report  regarding  a rezoning application to  permit  a 
proposed single-family dwelling and a full-time rental cottage on the same lot. 
 
  Applicant Jordan Litke spoke to the application. 
 
SS-2024-119 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to proceed with processing 
application PLRZ20240145.  
CARRIED 
 
  SS-2024-120 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to 
amend Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No. 355, 1999, to rezone Section 3, Range 2 West, 
North Salt Spring Island, Cowichan District, Except Part In Plan 3955, from Rural (R) zone to a 
Rural (f) (R(f)) zone permitting a Full time rental cottage with floor area up to 90m2 .  
CARRIED 
 
SS-2024-121 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  request  staff  to  refer  to  and  seek  input 
from  the  Islands  Trust  Conservancy  Board  and  other  applicable  agencies and  First  Nations 
that an application has been received to amend the Salt Spring Island Land Use  Bylaw  No. 
355, 1999.  
CARRIED 
 
 

 
 
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SS-2024-122 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee request  staff  to  proceed  with  public 
notification for application PLRZ20240145 as per section 467 of the Local Government Act. 
CARRIED 
 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - None 
 
15.  NEW BUSINESS  
 
 15.1 Work Program Update Staff Report – No staff report presented 
 
  15.1.1 OCP LUB Projects – Community to Community (C2C) Funding 
 
A Trustee spoke to the next intake of Community to Community (C2C) funding and 
asked if a resolution for community events to cover honorariums and travel would 
be  helpful  at  this  time.  RPM  Hutton  reported staff  are  reviewing  the  C2C 
application, the next intake for the C2C grant application is December 6, 2024 and 
a resolution could be made by Resolution Without Meeting (RWM) if needed. 
 
 15.2  Draft 2025/26 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Annual Meeting Schedule - Request 
for Decision  
 
  RPM Hutton presented a Request for Decision regarding the draft 2025/26 Salt Spring Island 
Local Trust Committee annual meeting schedule.  
 
SS-2024-123 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
  That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve their January, 2025 to March, 2026 
Meeting Schedule as presented. 
  CARRIED 
 
 15.3  Phase  4  Community  Engagement  Options - Policy  Statement  Amendment  Project - Staff 
Report  
 
  Planner  Youmans  presented  a staff report  regarding  local  public  engagement  activities  to 
seek community input to inform the LTC’s referral response to Trust Council about the draft 
new Policy Statement. 
 
SS-2024-124 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
  That  the Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee request  a  robust  communications  effort 
and plan for two staff led community information meetings/ town halls to be held outside of 
regular  meeting  times for Phase  4  community  engagement of the  new  draft  Islands  Trust 
Policy Statement. 
CARRIED 
 
The meeting recessed for a break at 3:12 p.m. and reconvened at 3:20 p.m. 

 
 
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 15.4  Union of British Columbia Municipalities and Association of Vancouver Island and Coastal 
Communities 2025 Conferences - For Discussion 
 
SS-2024-125 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
  That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee authorize both local Trustees to attend the 
2025 Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM) convention and the 2025 Association of Vancouver 
Island and Coastal Communities (AVICC) convention. 
CARRIED 
 
15.5   Baker Beach Area Crown Lease Application 
 
Trustee Patrick  reported  there  is  a Letter of Understanding between  the  Province  and  the 
Islands Trust regarding Crown lease referrals. Crown lease referrals are often of interest to 
the  public  and  the  LTC  should  be  included  in  the  referral  process.  It  was  noted  the 
applications page on the Salt Spring Island LTC website needs to be updated. 
 
SS-2024-126 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request the Executive Committee to review 
the crown lease referral process along with the relevancy of older Crown Land Administration 
Letter of Understandings. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2024-127 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That   the   Salt   Spring   Island   Local   Trust   Committee direct   staff   to   forward   public 
correspondence  and  the  petition  received  regarding  the Baker  Beach  Area  Crown  Lease 
Application 1415573 as additional information to the Province. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2024-128 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to provide the LTC with Crown 
Land  Lease  Referrals  with  sufficient  time  for  consideration  of  response  and  that  they  be 
added to the applications report. 
CARRIED 
 
16. REPORTS 
 
 16.1  Policy and Standing Resolutions List - For Information  
 
  Received for information. 
 
 16.2  Future Projects Report dated November 2024  
 
  Received for information. 

 
 
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 16.3  Active Projects List dated November 2024 
 
  Received for information. 
 
 16.4  Applications with Status Report dated November 2024 
 
  Received for information. 
 
 16.5  Expense Reports dated September 2024 
 
  Received for information. 
 
 16.6  Islands Trust Conservancy Board Report – None 
 
17. CLOSED MEETING  
 
 17.1  Motion to Close the Meeting  
 
SS-2024-129 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee close this meeting to the public subject to 
Community  Charter  Section 90  (1)  (f) to  consider  a law  enforcement  issue  that  council 
considers disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation 
under or enforcement of an enactment and that staff be invited to remain.  
CARRIED 
 
The meeting recessed at 3:42 p.m. for the closed meeting and reconvened at 4:02 p.m. 
 
 17.2  Rise and Report 
 
The October 10, 2024 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee In Camera meeting minutes 
were adopted. 
 
18. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
 
18.1 Special Meeting with the Local Community Commission (LCC) 
 
 SS-2024-130 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  request  staff  to  schedule  an  in-person 
special meeting with the Capital Regional District Local Community Commission at 11:30 a.m. 
on  Tuesday  November  19,  2024  at  Meaden  Hall,  120  Blain  Road,  Salt  Spring  Island,  BC  to 
discuss issues of mutual interest.  
CARRIED 
 
 
 

 
 
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The  next  regular  meeting  of  the  Salt Spring  Island  Local Trust  Committee  is  scheduled on 
December  12,  2024 at 9:30  p.m. at  the Salt  Spring  Legion, Meaden  Hall,  120  Blain Road. 
Please see the meeting calendar on the Islands Trust website at www.islandstrust.bc.ca for 
current meeting information and location.  
 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 4:02 p.m. 
 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
_________________________ 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder