North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, November 29, 2024

[0:00:04] Voice 19: good morning everybody thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting of the north

[0:00:11] Voice 19: pender island local trust committee i want to get into the meeting and acknowledge that we're

[0:00:16] Voice 19: fortunate to be able to gather today across across territory of the bush people i'm david

[0:00:22] Voice 19: bartlett on the main island chair of the north pender island local trust committee i'm joined

[0:00:27] Voice 19: by your two North Tender Island Trustees, Aaron Campbell and Deb Morrison. Together we make up

[0:00:33] Voice 19: the North Tender Open Trust Committee. This meeting is being live screened and recorded

[0:00:38] Voice 19: for those who are unable to attend in person today. The recordings will be posted on the

[0:00:41] Voice 19: Islands Trust website for future viewing. We have a few staff members joining today.

[0:00:46] Voice 19: We have Robert Kojima, our Regional Planning Manager. Phil Testamoli, who is planning to

[0:00:55] Voice 19: to be doing a presentation uh to a couple of applications and of course we have brad smith who

[0:01:00] Voice 19: is the island planner for yeah um is warren joining us today so all right and we have uh

[0:01:10] Voice 19: lisa millar who is our magical zoom master from afar who's looking after all the digital recording

[0:01:17] Voice 19: broadcasting and such um just want to let you know this meeting's official forum for your

[0:01:21] Voice 19: trust making decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business i want to

[0:01:25] Voice 19: add that this place is the place for employment um despite the fact many staff are in their homes

[0:01:31] Voice 19: our staff the right to a safe respect to a workplace um just a couple of things um we have

[0:01:37] Voice 19: at 10 45 we have a presentation from crd so we have a sort of a hard we're going to take

[0:01:47] Voice 19: wherever we are in the agenda we'll be merging over to that hopefully it all

[0:01:51] Voice 19: works out fine and the other thing is we have a very big agenda today so public

[0:01:58] Voice 19: comments will be restricted to the town hall session sometimes in the proceedings

[0:02:03] Voice 19: we allow people to sort of ask sort of questions and such we really can't do

[0:02:08] Voice 19: that today with applications so when we get the application it'll just be

[0:02:11] Voice 19: between the trustees and the applicant um we just don't have the the ability to to sort of

[0:02:18] Voice 19: interact beyond that during the application periods because we're just really really busy

[0:02:23] Voice 19: today it's brad's been a busy beaver for us all right um so what we have is we have an agenda

[0:02:32] Voice 19: before us um does anyone have any additions deletions questions one

[0:02:37] Voice 6: quick question um can we

[0:02:39] Voice 6: We have the, um,

[0:02:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is a 14, uh, 17.3, which is the, um, piece on the Lisa Bale Reserve.

[0:02:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[0:02:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): Um, is it possible to have that before the 14.4?

[0:02:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): I feel like those are somewhat connected.

[0:02:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[0:02:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Just in conversation, I would like to make sure we have that 17.3 conversation before

[0:03:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): we have the 14.4.

[0:03:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): The 14.4 is the big deal.

[0:03:05] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:03:05] Voice 19: I

[0:03:06] Voice 8: just want to be sure that there are in conversation.

[0:03:08] Voice 8: We can talk about those two things.

[0:03:09] Voice 19: um brad is there can we sort of like put it in at the beginning of

[0:03:15] Voice 20: the four games okay yeah

[0:03:16] Voice 19: sure yeah absolutely so we'll take 17.3 and we'll pop it as 14.1 so that'll be getting

[0:03:25] Voice 19: that discussion yeah

[0:03:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): or maybe just 14.35 right before that's what we want for us

[0:03:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): there okay

[0:03:31] Voice 19: okay we need to work best to make this work thank you

[0:03:37] Voice 19: um everything's cool with you

[0:03:40] Voice 19: all right so by general example adopt the agenda as circulated um and we merge rated trustee reports

[0:03:49] Voice 19: so who wants to be the first to

[0:03:52] Voice 23: enlighten us um this has been a bit since we've had

[0:03:58] Voice 23: one of these meetings um at our community information meeting and a lot of the

[0:04:06] Voice 23: a lot of the work has been around um sort of the affordable housing issue which is sort of a

[0:04:13] Voice 23: problem it's really a problem uh the issue that most regional districts and

[0:04:20] Voice 23: local governments are having an issue with and trying to figure out how to address them

[0:04:25] Voice 23: I was appointed or asked to be on a steering committee working with some of the regional

[0:04:34] Voice 23: districts locally but also from the Okanagan and so I was meeting with them actually this

[0:04:41] Voice 23: morning before this to resume and we've been just trying to figure out what sort of expanded

[0:04:49] Voice 23: and the standard uses or options we could come up with

[0:04:55] Voice 23: for providing affordable housing on the islands.

[0:04:59] Voice 23: So that's something that's going to go ahead

[0:05:01] Voice 23: with a number of trustees and regional district heads.

[0:05:06] Voice 23: And yeah, it's interesting to see what can be done

[0:05:12] Voice 23: in an advocacy role as it moves forward.

[0:05:17] Voice 23: So that's been the bulk of my attention

[0:05:20] Voice 23: other than lots of lots of folks reaching out actually in the last month

[0:05:27] Voice 23: sort of conversations on different ideas people are having and you're starting to

[0:05:32] Voice 23: see growth of Penrhyland is starting to affect community community ideas so you

[0:05:42] Voice 23: know later in our agenda we're going to start to dig into some of that some

[0:05:49] Voice 23: bigger conversations that we had

[0:05:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): um yeah so the trust policy statement is being discussed at the trust council i just want to

[0:06:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): really flag that for folks um and we'll talk about it today in our agenda around engagement

[0:06:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): um but it is something that seems probably miles and miles away from our everyday lives and yet

[0:06:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's probably very much connected to everything that we do going forward in our community

[0:06:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it'd be great for folks to engage with that process at that trust council level

[0:06:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): write letters like make yourself come to the

[0:06:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): engagement whatever we decide here today is

[0:06:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): our engagement strategy um ask others to come like really get it out in community about that

[0:06:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): um because they're yeah there's a lot of things wrapped up in that so it'd be really great to

[0:06:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): make the best decisions around that way um yeah i was unable to attend the september trust council

[0:06:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): um on a relatively short notice i um actually was asked to go and present several different

[0:06:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): things at the New York Climate Week. So I ended up out in New York speaking to climate change

[0:06:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): issues out there. So I apologize for that. It was a little frustrating short notice for me on that.

[0:07:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): So but Trust Council is next week in Victoria. And so, you know, have a look at that, pull that

[0:07:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): agenda down and keep an eye out what's going on there. Budget cycle is in. And if I remember

[0:07:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): correctly last year both um trustee campbell and myself voted against the budget because

[0:07:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it could know what you think about the budget as it comes forward so that we can represent

[0:07:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): appropriately okay

[0:07:32] Voice 19: like from my aspect it's we've been really busy um just monday our our new um ceo

[0:07:41] Voice 19: started with IELTS Trust, Ruben Brony. Really looking forward to working with him. He's

[0:07:49] Voice 19: a really solid, very nice guy. And of course, if you haven't met him yet, he will be at

[0:07:56] Voice 19: the Trust Council. He will be there in force. Trust that you will have the same appreciation

[0:08:03] Voice 19: for what he brings to the table. As Trustee Morrison indicated, the trust policy statement

[0:08:10] Voice 19: is slowly rolling out to the point I'm hoping we're going to get to a first reading relatively

[0:08:16] Voice 19: quickly now. It's been many, many years. There was a lot of controversy with the last draft

[0:08:24] Voice 19: that was presented. Staff have taken an immense amount of time in redrafting it and doing

[0:08:31] Voice 19: engagement with First Nations to the point where I believe the lack of feedback we're having

[0:08:39] Voice 19: in recent months i think they've got it right um as i think it's it's reasonably like nine

[0:08:46] Voice 19: percent being dialed in um to to being accepted um if we get to first reading we can do that final

[0:08:53] Voice 19: round of public engagement and i'm very much looking forward to getting it adopted and getting

[0:08:58] Voice 19: it put to bed because it's been a long time it's burned a lot of time and a lot of energy

[0:09:04] Voice 19: and it would be nice just sort of to move forward on that aspect

[0:09:08] Voice 19: um otherwise it's just i don't trust it's been pretty busy um of course we've just come up

[0:09:15] Voice 19: through the election with the new minister now we're looking forward to hopefully getting to be

[0:09:20] Voice 19: i guess since we actually have formally met um trust council uh trust council uh voted to to send

[0:09:31] Voice 19: and again, the request for review to the province.

[0:09:36] Voice 19: So hopefully in the next year or so,

[0:09:39] Voice 19: we'll be working closely with the province

[0:09:41] Voice 19: to conduct a few full review on the trust,

[0:09:45] Voice 19: our mandate, the supporting legislation, there's a lot.

[0:09:51] Voice 19: When you think of us being 50 years old,

[0:09:53] Voice 19: in that 50 years, there hasn't been a lot

[0:09:55] Voice 19: of significant things happen with our legislation

[0:09:57] Voice 19: legislation and things like indigenous rights, the whole, it's not anywhere in our mandate

[0:10:07] Voice 19: and we need to get that sort of adjusted, straightened out and get our legislation adjusted.

[0:10:13] Voice 19: There's many, many, many aspects of, if you read the government's report, that hopefully

[0:10:18] Voice 19: the government will be wading into giving us more clarity and making us a better government

[0:10:22] Voice 19: and free for you so believe in that um i don't see our electoral director i know he was going

[0:10:31] Voice 19: to attempt to attend today but i believe mr brett is not attending so we don't have to report him

[0:10:36] Voice 19: so we have town call and questions um so we have basically speaking put your hand up acknowledge

[0:10:43] Voice 19: you um two to three minutes please because again we're really really heavy today um and uh we will

[0:10:49] Voice 19: for that so first good

[0:10:52] Voice 5: morning i'm sarah i'm here to first of all on the budget dab i think you guys

[0:11:00] Voice 5: do really important work and in the past i've opposed budget increases but i think right now

[0:11:05] Voice 5: in this moment in time where we are it's important that the trust gets the funds it needs to do its

[0:11:12] Voice 5: work. That's my feedback on that. I'm here today to talk to application RZ20240110BICM.

[0:11:24] Voice 5: I spoke here and there was a lecture and it was very helpful but I'll be fine without it. So I

[0:11:42] Voice 5: feel that there's insufficient information right now to make a decision on this application today.

[0:11:52] Voice 5: September 23rd last year I was emailing with our planner and he said that he believed his

[0:12:06] Voice 5: understanding was that they were not currently undertaking sale of goods or other activities

[0:12:14] Voice 5: in the top. So last September the planner told me they didn't think any activity

[0:12:21] Voice 5: regarding the top was taking place there so um and then on january 29th of this year

[0:12:31] Voice 5: um chair maude told me that he was not aware of any applications from this firm meaning the

[0:12:44] Voice 5: applicant so he was somewhat in the dark and unlikely to be helpful to me so the application

[0:12:53] Voice 5: if i understand correctly was submitted january 10th so between you know misunderstandings and

[0:13:02] Voice 5: not knowing about any applications that had already been submitted and the contents of

[0:13:08] Voice 5: the application which i'll get to it just doesn't seem like we have the information

[0:13:14] Voice 5: information necessary to make a decision on this right now.

[0:13:23] Voice 5: So I've been trying to give you some information about it.

[0:13:26] Voice 5: It's in my neighbourhood.

[0:13:29] Voice 5: We're very close to this site.

[0:13:32] Voice 5: I presented a delegation here in April,

[0:13:35] Voice 5: and it took me months to prepare for that.

[0:13:38] Voice 5: I spoke to community members.

[0:13:41] Voice 5: We coined a phrase, keep it rural.

[0:13:43] Voice 5: um so i spoke for 10 minutes at that delegation i wasn't allowed to speak about any specific

[0:13:51] Voice 5: application um so i kept it very general to try and give you a picture of what this neighborhood

[0:13:58] Voice 5: is like and what some of the local concerns are so as i said it took months for me to to get that

[0:14:06] Voice 5: spot on your agenda and I worked really hard to prepare that and share that

[0:14:13] Voice 5: information with you to help you make your decision. When I submitted the

[0:14:19] Voice 5: request to the committee for decision the planner said is it even reasonable

[0:14:26] Voice 5: to consider this a delegation so I spoke for 10 minutes and in your minutes your

[0:14:41] Voice 5: record uh it's allocated four lines to my presentation so sure it's a summary of what

[0:14:50] Voice 5: happened i spoke about the washington area um someone who spoke in the town hall you were

[0:14:57] Voice 5: supposed to get two minutes they were given 15 lines in your minutes bullet points point by point

[0:15:07] Voice 5: every point they made so someone who prepares for months and gets a special delegation speaks for 10

[0:15:14] Voice 5: minutes gets four lines and someone in a town hall who's promoting something that's not even

[0:15:20] Voice 5: on the agenda gets almost half a page so let's talk about the application now

[0:15:31] Voice 19: i'm going to have

[0:15:33] Voice 19: to because you're five minutes in already so okay you can just sort of be consistent i'm going to

[0:15:45] Voice 5: sit down now can i have another chance after someone else has spoken should i keep going

[0:15:49] Voice 5: because there's several items on the agenda i need to speak to i'm on the agenda twice yeah

[0:15:55] Voice 14: out.

[0:15:56] Voice 5: So anyways, I'll carry on. I think you need more time to consider all the facts. The most

[0:16:01] Voice 5: important one is the well. The application states there are no wells. The engineer's letter says

[0:16:06] Voice 5: there are no wells nearby. This is wrong. There is a registered well within 30 meters of the site.

[0:16:13] Voice 5: So it would be great to see a current engineer's report before any decision is made about this

[0:16:19] Voice 5: application. Next, there's a shop building almost 2,000 square feet proposed. The site,

[0:16:26] Voice 5: the location of the shop that's proposed encroaches is on a legal easement that's

[0:16:33] Voice 5: registered on title. This is not included. The title is not included. This easement

[0:16:38] Voice 5: is the driveway for two homes. And if you build underneath it, it's a 60 degree slope,

[0:16:45] Voice 5: it'll undermine the slope and that row will wash away it does it every winter already and it floods

[0:16:51] Voice 5: it floods every winter and i have to fix my road every winter and that's fine that's what i have

[0:16:58] Voice 5: to do to live there i have a beautiful view but if you build under it on that steep slope

[0:17:03] Voice 5: encroaching on the easement it will completely wash away the septic and the well information

[0:17:08] Voice 5: you have in your application are for a residence half a kilometer away they have nothing to do

[0:17:14] Voice 5: with industrial facilities and finally item 17.3 thank you trustee morrison for moving it up in

[0:17:22] Voice 1: the

[0:17:22] Voice 5: agenda this is happening the island's trust conservancy has approved a conservation covenant

[0:17:32] Voice 5: on my property um i could say more but i'll leave it there i'd like to hear what everyone else has

[0:17:39] Voice 5: to say i really don't think you have all the information you need to make a decision on that

[0:17:43] Voice 5: application today. Thank you very much for your time.

[0:17:45] Voice 20: Thank you. Anybody else?

[0:17:50] Voice 15: Andy Novak. I'd like to talk about the development at the end of Razor Point Road.

[0:17:56] Voice 15: I wrote to the trustees about this and asked some questions. I never got a response.

[0:18:03] Voice 15: So I'm asking again whether you have considered reversing that decision on the TUP.

[0:18:09] Voice 15: I know the planner gave an opinion that that was likely not going to be successful, but

[0:18:16] Voice 15: with all due respect, I don't think that's a legal opinion.

[0:18:20] Voice 15: And in my opinion, there was a gross error made on your behalf when you issued that TUP.

[0:18:29] Voice 15: Despite the fact that the trust mandate says to protect and preserve, this application

[0:18:35] Voice 15: does not further that cause. I expect you haven't done anything about reversing that decision,

[0:18:43] Voice 15: otherwise I would have probably heard about it. So my follow-up question then is, have you heard

[0:18:49] Voice 15: from the applicant about, A, removing some of the zoning capabilities on that property, and B,

[0:18:56] Voice 15: have you heard anything about his promise to put covenants on the property or anything to that

[0:19:05] Voice 15: regard like a community benefit in exchange for him getting his super mansion and super cottage

[0:19:12] Voice 15: and super everything else um so i'm going to respond to that

[0:19:16] Voice 19: yeah but i just just clarified

[0:19:18] Voice 19: it wasn't a tup it was a variance that was provided but uh but the other thing is we

[0:19:22] Voice 19: cannot reverse it is illegal so so

[0:19:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): i did actually look into that for me and i reported on that last

[0:19:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): last meeting um so the reason that i did i had a lot of emails so i responded in the meeting

[0:19:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): um to the fact that we i did look into it and we can't reverse it so um i do i have emailed about

[0:19:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): like what's happening with the follow-up so and i haven't heard more about that i would like to

[0:19:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): keep that on our agenda as a perpetual thing just to follow up with so that we get updates

[0:19:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): to understand what's happening with any kind of covenants or density changes.

[0:19:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know how to do that, Brad, in terms of just keeping it as a checking item

[0:20:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it doesn't drop off the table.

[0:20:04] Voice 6: I'm sorry, we can't hear back here.

[0:20:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): Sorry.

[0:20:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): So just, so sorry, can you just clarify if we can put something about that?

[0:20:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's on the follow-up action list, right?

[0:20:15] Voice 10: No, it wouldn't be.

[0:20:16] Voice 10: That wouldn't be, no.

[0:20:17] Voice 10: I'm a property owner, so I'm not going to be actively doing that.

[0:20:23] Voice 10: I'm reporting to you.

[0:20:24] Voice 10: yeah because he has no commitment to do that I do know the property owner is down the road of

[0:20:28] Voice 10: getting his building permit uh application submitted for the cottage yeah the trust has

[0:20:33] Voice 10: reviewed those plans and uh so that we would pass our zoning review and there would see

[0:20:39] Voice 23: yeah

[0:20:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): so

[0:20:41] Voice 23: can

[0:20:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): we just tag it onto our agenda just to like update community maybe somewhere and like

[0:20:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): I know it's not your responsibility it can be our responsibility I just

[0:20:51] Voice 10: don't know what you're

[0:20:51] Voice 10: like you're asking a standing item just that we're just going to have on the agenda

[0:20:55] Voice 10: from now on for

[0:20:56] Voice 10: that particular proposal yeah

[0:20:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): um and just put it on that like where our business is or whatever

[0:21:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm right like community reporting wherever you think it is but i'll try to keep it up

[0:21:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): because i have been emailing that report so try and figure that out

[0:21:10] Voice 15: okay well i i'm glad to hear

[0:21:13] Voice 15: that you want to keep pursuing this because my fear is that it will just all the time be forgotten

[0:21:19] Voice 15: gotten and

[0:21:20] Voice 15: the next

[0:21:21] Voice 15: election will come around and then it will

[0:21:23] Voice 15: be just totally off

[0:21:25] Voice 15: the plate and we will be

[0:21:26] Voice 15: left with nothing.

[0:21:28] Voice 23: I did have a phone conversation

[0:21:31] Voice 23: with him about

[0:21:32] Voice 23: six weeks ago

[0:21:36] Voice 23: about

[0:21:39] Voice 23: his plans

[0:21:40] Voice 23: to continue to

[0:21:42] Voice 23: pursue what he could do

[0:21:45] Voice 23: with

[0:21:46] Voice 23: covenants

[0:21:47] Voice 23: uh and not nothing concrete or promised in it but he did he was amicable to continue the

[0:21:58] Voice 23: conversation um about how it is pursuing or how it's progressing sorry um and it's maybe a little

[0:22:06] Voice 23: bit on my on my fault for not following up with him sort of a couple of weeks ago and because he

[0:22:13] Voice 23: had said you know like if you ever want to sit down and talk about it uh just pick up the phone

[0:22:18] Voice 23: and call so i do have his his personal cell phone number and i can reach out to him and and uh and

[0:22:25] Voice 23: for an update on what it is uh it's just sort of this has been a fairly hectic uh last little term

[0:22:34] Voice 23: since the last meeting and there wasn't quite an extensive conversation at the community information

[0:22:39] Voice 23: meeting before the housing dominated most of what the pre-housing meeting town hall was all about

[0:22:49] Voice 23: and the conversation there we had about a half hour of question and answer so I think that's

[0:22:54] Voice 23: maybe for some folks where the the communication has broken down is that there has been a lot of

[0:23:02] Voice 23: communication based on it and specifics to people have gotten missed in trying to communicate

[0:23:08] Voice 23: communicate more to the whole. So I apologize if I didn't respond specifically to one person's

[0:23:16] Voice 23: email. I feel like I hadn't communicated quite a bit about it. So I

[0:23:23] Voice 15: had to apologize.

[0:23:23] Voice 15: I think also the applicant, you know, I don't think he has to even rely on you. He's super

[0:23:31] Voice 15: busy to initiate anything, you know. There are plenty of people in this room who have

[0:23:36] Voice 15: initiative covenants etc on their own i mean to say that he's waiting for you to make time

[0:23:42] Voice 15: or something don't not not

[0:23:44] Voice 23: wait no not communicating that that is the case at all

[0:23:47] Voice 23: he is not waiting on us in any way he's they have foundations and lawyers and all of their

[0:23:57] Voice 23: whatever it's quite a quite the family when you dig into it um and they're pursuing it through

[0:24:04] Voice 23: through their channels is what the communication is.

[0:24:09] Voice 23: He's looking into it on their end

[0:24:11] Voice 23: and hasn't made a decision on what sort of avenues suit them.

[0:24:17] Voice 23: So.

[0:24:18] So

[0:24:25] Voice 30: my name is Kim Wright

[0:24:26] Voice 30: and I'm the chair of the stewardship committee

[0:24:28] Voice 30: for the Pender Islands Conservancy Association

[0:24:32] Voice 30: and also a board member.

[0:24:34] Voice 30: And with me today are three staff members,

[0:24:38] Voice 30: members, Dr. Erin O'Brien, Dan

[0:24:40] Voice 20: Baxter

[0:24:42] Voice 30: and Sara Levitsky.

[0:24:45] Voice 30: We've submitted a written document for you.

[0:24:49] Voice 30: So I just want to highlight a couple of points and then ask you if you have anything that

[0:24:54] Voice 30: you need clarified from us.

[0:24:57] Voice 30: So we've submitted our letter relative to the subject Bingham property on Fort Washington

[0:25:04] Voice 30: and road and note that not only is of course the property immediately adjacent to the least

[0:25:11] Voice 30: real nature reserve which is owned by allan's trust but the pender conservancy has just

[0:25:17] Voice 30: acquired an additional 10 acres the forest wetland nature reserve that is again immediately adjacent

[0:25:24] Voice 30: to joining the property further in 2024 we acquired an additional 36 acre property called

[0:25:33] Voice 30: called Vulture Ridge Nature Reserve,

[0:25:35] Voice 30: that's just 85 meters from the property.

[0:25:38] Voice 30: So along that back ridge,

[0:25:41] Voice 30: the Mount Elizabeth Vulture Ridge,

[0:25:43] Voice 30: kind of whatever we call that back ridge on that area,

[0:25:48] Voice 30: there's some incredible ecological value,

[0:25:50] Voice 30: so much so that we were able to secure

[0:25:53] Voice 30: a little growth funding from the federal

[0:25:54] Voice 30: and provincial governments

[0:25:55] Voice 30: for the acquisition of Vulture Ridge, for example.

[0:25:59] Voice 30: There are a number of endangered species

[0:26:01] Voice 30: species that have been observed in those locations, all of which have movement and sensitivity

[0:26:07] Voice 30: requirements that mean that industrial use currently as well as any future expanded use

[0:26:14] Voice 30: would be likely of a significant impact in those areas and that includes for example

[0:26:20] Voice 30: sharptail snake, common night hawks, all-sided flycatchers and numerous others in that area.

[0:26:29] Voice 30: We're not suggesting that the applicant doesn't have a role in the community, but rather that

[0:26:36] Voice 30: this is not the place for that to happen.

[0:26:38] Voice 30: A place that is less impactful to the rural character, to the ecological values of the

[0:26:43] Voice 30: region is something that we know has been investigated in terms of other options and

[0:26:48] Voice 30: we would like to see the trust pursue those other options and find a solution that works

[0:26:54] Voice 30: that is not going to impact directly on those ecological values from our perspective.

[0:27:00] Voice 30: And the three subject properties are now with the Covenant, Sarah Miles property, a fourth property as well,

[0:27:09] Voice 30: and again, the broader properties in that area.

[0:27:11] Voice 30: So we've outlined the issues in more detail in our letter.

[0:27:16] Voice 30: My question to you is simply, do you have anything that you would like clarified from us now,

[0:27:21] Voice 30: particularly if you're not able to take questions during your consideration of the applicant today

[0:27:27] Voice 30: because one of us will be happy to clarify

[0:27:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): things. I don't have any clarifying questions. I've had

[0:27:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversations with Mark and Lisa extensively about Mount Elizabeth or Southern Mount Elizabeth

[0:27:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): Ridge I guess it's called. So I understand what's going on up there and I think that's why I moved

[0:27:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): the the conversation about that covet or about that um the

[0:27:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): lisa bale method to be for the

[0:27:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation about right so we'll consider that for sure

[0:27:59] Voice 17: yeah um i've worked at plan b farm for

[0:28:04] Voice 16: 15 years and i've been very aware to talk about that land and probably plan b almost kind of face

[0:28:10] Voice 16: that that whole side heat um working at plan b i've dropped trees for logging stuff and immediately

[0:28:19] Voice 16: Immediately afterwards, the deer would be there, eating up whatever was falling.

[0:28:24] Voice 16: I'd be sitting there popping stuff up.

[0:28:25] Voice 16: The deer wouldn't stop.

[0:28:27] Voice 16: I was at Heartland the other day.

[0:28:29] Voice 16: They have bangers going off for the birds.

[0:28:32] Voice 16: The birds fly away for a couple minutes and come back.

[0:28:35] Voice 16: As far as the industrial thing that's going on,

[0:28:38] Voice 16: highways, a big dig home, lumber yard and everything,

[0:28:43] Voice 16: there really is nowhere else to put this.

[0:28:46] Voice 16: this is being in place for over 40 years now and with uh everything with the finalist trust and

[0:28:52] Voice 16: the conservancy getting almost landed there will be nowhere about to to to expand or go somewhere

[0:29:01] Voice 16: else my concern is um what's going to happen if you guys shut down that industrial area which is

[0:29:10] been there for 40 years, which as far as highways, part of hydro, you know, hydro's up,

[0:29:18] Voice 16: beepers on their trucks, highways does, the lumberyard does. I mean, like I said, it's been

[0:29:23] Voice 16: there for 40 years. As far as what the conservancy has got, on the other side of the mountain,

[0:29:30] Voice 16: you know, I don't think it's a factor that they think is getting affected. And my only concern

[0:29:36] Voice 16: is where does it go, especially since it's been in place for 40 years. We have some land that's

[0:29:44] Voice 16: been bought up from the Conservancy and stuff, but the land is being bought up by the Conservancy

[0:29:49] Voice 16: everywhere on there. Look at Saturna, two-thirds of its national park and I'm just really concerned

[0:29:56] Voice 16: of where this is going to end up.

[0:30:00] Voice 16: excavation in the old yard. There's a lot of contamination on there.

[0:30:04] Voice 16: If somebody does take that on, what happens with that down the road?

[0:30:07] Voice 16: Who's responsible for that? Because it's never been dealt with properly.

[0:30:12] Voice 16: That's a great place, but the whole

[0:30:16] Voice 16: site's contaminated. Who's going to be responsible for that?

[0:30:19] Voice 16: If somebody decides that's the place to go,

[0:30:24] Voice 16: that is the only place to go.

[0:30:28] Voice 16: That's my concern. That's all I've got to say. Thank you.

[0:30:33] Voice 27: My name is Martha and I was going to read Lisa's letter first, but I'd just like to respond.

[0:30:40] Voice 27: I think we have a solution to this problem. Lisa and I have been talking to people and it is very likely there will be a better site for Braden within a reasonable period of time.

[0:30:51] Voice 27: And that's a win win

[0:30:52] Voice 27: for everybody, because I know Braden would be happy to be somewhere where he isn't getting dirty looks from his neighbors and he needs to expand.

[0:30:59] Voice 27: and I think we have a solution.

[0:31:02] Voice 27: Nothing's in stone yet, but it's very, very likely.

[0:31:05] Voice 27: The other thing is I was involved in the community plan 25 years ago

[0:31:09] Voice 27: and I lived on Port Washington Road at the time

[0:31:11] Voice 27: and it wasn't designated industrial.

[0:31:14] Voice 27: I don't know what actually went in

[0:31:15] Voice 27: because I haven't gone back to look at the original copy

[0:31:17] Voice 27: of the OCP at the time.

[0:31:19] Voice 27: But in the everyday use of the term designated,

[0:31:22] Voice 27: that property was not designated for industrial.

[0:31:24] Voice 27: Yes, it was under consideration for light industrial.

[0:31:27] Voice 27: industrial. But those of us who live there did not designate it industrial. So we have

[0:31:34] Voice 27: win-win possible solutions where everybody can be happy, better off, bravely better off,

[0:31:39] Voice 27: people around Port Washington Road, the Conservancy will be better off. I suggest that's the route

[0:31:43] Voice 27: we should go. Oh, Lisa wants us to know that she is, I probably don't need to read it out

[0:31:47] Voice 27: because the Conservancy, that she does not support this application for the reason the

[0:31:51] Voice 27: Conservancy has outlined so well in their paper, or their letter.

[0:31:54] Voice 27: Sure.

[0:31:57] Voice 20: Should I speak now or

[0:31:59] Voice 19: later?

[0:32:00] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:32:00] Voice 19: You're on the obligation.

[0:32:01] Voice 19: Okay, yeah.

[0:32:03] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:32:04] Voice 19: Ms. Schatzschild, I'll go ahead and

[0:32:05] Voice 19: hand it back to you.

[0:32:06] Voice 19: You go first.

[0:32:08] Voice 4: Unless there's other people here

[0:32:09] Voice 4: that are still speaking to the

[0:32:11] Voice 4: town hall, it still must speak to

[0:32:13] Voice 4: fragrance. I'm going back to the

[0:32:14] Voice 4: topic that Andy addressed.

[0:32:16] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:32:18] Voice 4: Good morning, trustees, everyone.

[0:32:19] Voice 3: My

[0:32:20] Voice 4: name is Misty McCafferty.

[0:32:21] Voice 3: I live at 2621

[0:32:23] Voice 3: Char Drive on North Mender Island,

[0:32:25] Voice 3: and I'm here this morning on cap

[0:32:27] Voice 3: of the Rainforest Conservation

[0:32:28] Voice 3: Foundation. So at the June 2024 meeting of the North Pender LTC, residents learned that a request

[0:32:35] Voice 3: to build a primary dwelling with more than 12,000 square feet at 6601 Razor Point Road was approved

[0:32:42] Voice 3: by the LTC. This approval was granted despite a staff report recommending against approval of

[0:32:48] Voice 3: this variance for a house 2.7 times the maximum size permitted on North Pender. At a subsequent

[0:32:55] Voice 3: In a subsequent July meeting of the North Pendry LTC, Trustee Morrison conveyed that the justification for her decision included the belief that the performance...

[0:33:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): Stop. That's not true. That's not true. I was very clear at the moment. Sorry, that is defamation. That's not true.

[0:33:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's

[0:33:14] Voice 3: in the transcript, Deb.

[0:33:15] Voice 3: Like, you muddled your way through it,

[0:33:17] Voice 3: but you're essentially trying to say

[0:33:19] Voice 3: that the Conservancy and Raincoast

[0:33:23] Voice 3: were either in conversation

[0:33:25] Voice 3: or receiving benefits from that proponent.

[0:33:29] Voice 3: And it's

[0:33:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the middle.

[0:33:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): I did not know until we had corrected.

[0:33:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): I tried to correct it last meeting.

[0:33:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[0:33:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): I already tried to correct it.

[0:33:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): And it's on the agenda.

[0:33:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): I made a note to, like, address it again

[0:33:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): when the minutes come up here so uh for the approval of minutes okay but i did not say

[0:33:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): that it influenced my decision because i didn't know about that until after but but the fact is

[0:33:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): it

[0:33:57] Voice 3: didn't happen and that's the thing that yes you suggested that we were receiving money for

[0:34:05] Voice 3: kingfisher and that the conservancy had had conversations and that there were some discussion

[0:34:10] Voice 3: about conservation on the property and benefits to the community and none of that happened i

[0:34:17] Voice 3: understand and that's why i tried to correct it so i understand okay so do should i stay here to be

[0:34:24] Voice 3: to to listen through to the end and make

[0:34:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're welcome to if you want to i put it on the notes

[0:34:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): so when we go to the approval of the minutes from thing to talk about it again i asked about it last

[0:34:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. And

[0:34:35] Voice 3: then my other question was that, again, that your justification for this was that you're going to remove the subdivision potential on this land. And Andy sort of got at this, but has that subdivision potential been removed? And if that was a justification, why is that not front and center? And why was that not built into this decision?

[0:35:00] Voice 3: feel

[0:35:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): free to answer tell i've already answered these questions in the last two meetings

[0:35:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i already said that we should have gone personally i agree i made an error i'm one of

[0:35:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): three people yes

[0:35:14] Voice 3: but with strong influence over this and with your stated commitments to climate

[0:35:18] Voice 3: i agree i agree with the ability it's an atrocious decision yes i agree

[0:35:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): i agree and i've apologized

[0:35:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): to the community for that decision i can't change it right now unfortunately i've also

[0:35:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): tried to see if i could do that okay so i am doing what i can now i can't go back in time and make a

[0:35:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): different decision i'm one shitty decision in six years i'm like feeling pretty good about that

[0:35:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): although i'm feeling really bad about that decision okay

[0:35:44] Voice 3: i won't challenge that in this

[0:35:46] Voice 3: moment but i would challenge that outside of this moment yeah

[0:35:51] Voice 23: i mean this was a big conversation

[0:35:56] Voice 23: at the community information meeting and uh you know for myself definitely a learning

[0:36:03] Voice 23: curve aspect to what uh the difference between uh rezoning and a variance uh is and how you go

[0:36:13] Voice 23: through the different processes of uh affecting affecting the outcome of a decision um had we

[0:36:24] Voice 23: gone through a rezoning as opposed to a variance it would have been a completely different process

[0:36:31] Voice 23: and this is the first time in my term of coming up against the difference between the two and how you

[0:36:40] Voice 23: how you navigate getting to the final outcome but you know whether there's a negotiation or not

[0:36:48] Voice 23: uh but that was the you know that that was maybe the message or was the mistake in

[0:36:56] Voice 3: but blundering our way forward has long-term consequences for the people and the ecosystems

[0:37:02] Voice 3: and the health of this island and this happens all the time okay i'm not gonna say anymore i just

[0:37:10] Voice 3: i'm really frustrated and and it just seems to be the same thing oh well we shouldn't have made

[0:37:15] Voice 3: that decision or those decisions shouldn't have been made or but it just it's ongoing yeah i agree

[0:37:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): with you and i have to just like go back to the fact that i think that the atlas trust is like

[0:37:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): damaged as an organization and i have been involved for four years in trying to restructure

[0:37:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): the governance of the atlas trust to like put some stop gaps in place for things like this

[0:37:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): put some like governance structures where there's a biologist who's a voting member for instance or

[0:37:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): or other things that can help us with these decisions

[0:37:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): so they don't go flying by when we're leaving.

[0:37:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): The most important

[0:37:48] Voice 3: solution is to allow the technical staff

[0:37:51] Voice 3: of the islands' trusts that are within the Conservancy,

[0:37:54] Voice 3: the hydrologists, the biologists, those technical staff,

[0:37:57] Voice 3: to have oversight over the consistency of decisions being made

[0:38:01] Voice 3: with the object of the trust.

[0:38:03] Voice 3: It's not that difficult of a solution.

[0:38:06] Voice 3: Yeah, you

[0:38:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): would think so, and I agree, Misty, but...

[0:38:10] Voice 21: Mr. Sketch.

[0:38:11] Voice 21: I speak to the review, I hope public review, well attended public review of the Trust Policy

[0:38:19] Voice 21: Statement.

[0:38:19] Voice 21: The Trust Policy Statement was adopted in its present form 30 years ago, with very little

[0:38:27] Voice 21: rationale for the form, the structure of the adoption, which is, and many people don't

[0:38:33] Voice 21: realize this to delegate the application of trust policies to the ltc and the ltc is free to accept

[0:38:42] Voice 21: or reject those those trust area policies that's not what the act says it's quite clear and uh i

[0:38:51] Voice 21: have submitted an alternate trust policy statement which uh leaves the uh the trust area policies

[0:38:58] Voice 21: in the hands of the trust generally, not delegating for decision to the LTC.

[0:39:05] Voice 21: And I am told again and again that there is no interest in upsetting the status quo, as the usual term.

[0:39:15] Voice 21: It needs examination. It's been 30 years.

[0:39:19] Voice 21: 50 people came to the 50th anniversary at Salisbury meeting, each with a signed object.

[0:39:25] Voice 21: people understand something is going wrong the object isn't working and i suggest to you that

[0:39:34] Voice 21: the trust policy statement is the problem it allows the trust trustees decision makers and

[0:39:40] Voice 21: planners to step aside from the trust area policies and that needs correction and serious

[0:39:47] Voice 21: consideration not just carrying on with the status quo over the last 30 years thank you anybody else

[0:39:56] Voice 19: for telling them after. Yes.

[0:39:59] Voice 6: Julia Nichols. You have, and I'm talking about the TAP request

[0:40:07] Voice 6: by the NACI. You've noted that there is a housing crisis and you've funded the APC on

[0:40:14] Voice 6: affordable housing. This is not a statement for the APC, but a personal statement. And

[0:40:22] Voice 6: And I see the biggest problem in that housing and the commodities.

[0:40:26] Voice 6: The STBRs make the commodity more lucrative, and so it goes.

[0:40:32] Voice 6: The rich get richer.

[0:40:33] Voice 6: You don't have the rules against STBRs, but over and over, you extend their use to give TPPs.

[0:40:42] Voice 6: We all know that refusing to give a TPP does not ensure the owners will rent long-term, but it is more likely.

[0:40:50] Voice 6: The issue is clear. It's about who you represent. Do you represent the commodification of housing, or can you represent the many people struggling to find homes that are affordable, but homes they can't rent long-term?

[0:41:06] Voice 6: in the case of this request by ganassi if you support this tup then you are continuing

[0:41:14] Voice 6: to support the commodification of housing you have the tools to support affordable housing now

[0:41:22] Voice 6: do not grant this tup thank you i

[0:41:29] Voice 8: just have a question of clarity

[0:41:30] Voice 8: 30, with the Razor Point property, can you initiate a change in zoning?

[0:41:44] Voice 19: It normally comes from the landowner, correct?

[0:41:47] Voice 19: You

[0:41:48] Voice 10: could try to implement a scheme of down zoning, but it probably wouldn't be very well accepted.

[0:41:54] Voice 10: It would be a difficult road.

[0:41:58] Voice 8: Accepted by who?

[0:41:59] Voice 10: By

[0:42:00] Voice 8: the property owner, of course.

[0:42:02] Voice 8: so the property owner has to agree to no no

[0:42:06] Voice 10: for the local government would be challenged that they

[0:42:09] Voice 10: just are choosing to enforce uh rezoning to try to you know in probably the applicant's

[0:42:19] Voice 10: legal perspective to try to retroactively address a development variance permit that has been

[0:42:27] Voice 10: been approved. So I think it would be difficult for the trustees to go down that road. I'm not

[0:42:34] Voice 10: saying they couldn't attempt to, but there wouldn't be a practical solution from a planning

[0:42:40] Voice 10: perspective. I was

[0:42:42] Voice 8: just interested. That was one of the reasons, you know, for your decision was

[0:42:48] Voice 8: the fact that this person would have the choice of developing a mammoth house or creating a

[0:42:58] Voice 8: subdivision so you would think that you know we got what we didn't want well we could get

[0:43:03] Voice 8: also something we don't want as well there's no guarantee these plans and you know so I would

[0:43:11] Voice 8: think that you would want to protect the community from further development because you could sell

[0:43:18] Voice 8: the house next year after you realize it's very difficult to build on this on this island it's

[0:43:25] Voice 8: very expensive top that are plain artists, you know, but anyway, so

[0:43:31] Voice 31: I need plans down the road. If speaking to that in the future, the person decides to go for

[0:43:40] Voice 31: subdivision, that has to be approved, as we brought before that is trusted. No, you just do

[0:43:45] Voice 31: it.

[0:43:48] Voice 10: Through the chair for subdivision approval, the Ministry of Transportation would be the

[0:43:53] Voice 10: the approving agency,

[0:43:55] Voice 10: the application would be referred to the Islands Trust

[0:43:58] Voice 10: where we go through a process of reviewing

[0:44:01] Voice 10: against the bylaws and all the other provisions

[0:44:06] Voice 10: within the purview of the trust

[0:44:08] Voice 10: and providing a letter back to the ministry with conditions.

[0:44:14] Voice 10: So we're at proof of water, septic access,

[0:44:19] Voice 10: and all of those things that are in the development

[0:44:21] Voice 10: regulations of your bylaws.

[0:44:23] Voice 10: and then MODY would include those as conditions in their preliminary layout letter that the

[0:44:30] Voice 10: applicant would need to proceed with. But the trust don't have a decision-making authority

[0:44:39] Voice 10: other than ensuring that those conditions are met.

[0:44:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): Just a clarification on that, so that is a staff review based on the bylaws,

[0:44:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): that doesn't come back to us as an LTC if there's no decision-making authority?

[0:44:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[0:44:52] Voice 31: so there's no public consultation. It wouldn't be

[0:44:54] Voice 10: Dr. Matisse crossing the

[0:44:56] Voice 10: eyes of Dewey.

[0:44:56] Voice 10: I wouldn't say that because James Island, for example, is an application where the LTC

[0:45:03] Voice 10: is weighed in, but you're weighing in with advice and recommendations rather than a yes

[0:45:10] Voice 10: or no ability.

[0:45:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Right.

[0:45:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, that had a covenant originally, too, that we were asked to sign that once you want

[0:45:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): that got flagged. That's an interesting problem.

[0:45:23] Voice 19: Okay, we're getting over, we're getting to the

[0:45:24] Voice 19: witching hour because we have a delegation coming, so

[0:45:26] Voice 21: let's sketch. I shall be brief.

[0:45:29] Voice 21: The Local Government Act is very, very clear that dam zoning is legal and there is no recourse from

[0:45:36] Voice 21: the landowner. So not the house site where they want 12,000. The Local Trust Committee is free.

[0:45:43] Voice 21: free. Politically unpopular, does that really matter if you're conserving and protecting?

[0:45:50] Voice 21: But you are free to down zone the remainder of the property. You have that option under

[0:45:57] Voice 21: your own initiative, and the landowner cannot stop that. Local government act. Unless it's

[0:46:04] Voice 21: a charitable organisation, which it's not.

[0:46:08] Voice 21: Very quickly.

[0:46:09] Voice 27: It's Martha again. To that point, there was a lot of land down zoned here on this island

[0:46:13] Voice 27: in the not-too-distant future.

[0:46:15] Voice 27: A lot of agricultural land use lost their right

[0:46:17] Voice 27: to subdivide and to build extra houses.

[0:46:19] Voice 27: So there's quite a precedent for that.

[0:46:22] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:46:23] Voice 19: Okay, so I see Justine Stark has come onto the screen.

[0:46:29] Voice 19: We're at the appropriate hours.

[0:46:31] Voice 19: Does anybody have any last questions or anything?

[0:46:33] Voice 19: Otherwise, we'll move right into the delegation, okay?

[0:46:39] Voice 19: So I don't see Justine anymore.

[0:46:42] Voice 19: Oh, there she is.

[0:46:47] Voice 19: welcome justine thank

[0:46:50] Voice 28: you thank you for having me it's good to be here virtually on north pender

[0:46:57] Voice 28: chair would you like me to go ahead and share my screen now yes

[0:47:01] Voice 19: please so sorry turn the lights

[0:47:13] Voice 10: It's getting the lights better, Justine, and you're up on the screen.

[0:47:17] Voice 10: Okay, you two

[0:47:17] Voice 10: are fighting each other.

[0:47:18] Voice 10: All right,

[0:47:25] Voice 19: we have a screen.

[0:47:29] Voice 19: We've got screen sharing.

[0:47:31] Voice 19: Oh, my goodness, the technology is working.

[0:47:34] Voice 29: All good?

[0:47:34] Voice 29: good we're

[0:47:36] Voice 19: there but we're seeing the sort of the condensed version rather than the full screen

[0:47:43] Voice 31: let

[0:47:46] Voice 28: me figure this out um i

[0:47:49] Voice 31: think this probably is me that needs to get rid of these names so

[0:47:52] Voice 31: i

[0:47:58] Voice 28: don't know how to like you can see my notes is what you mean

[0:48:02] Voice 10: no it's me i just can't get rid of the faces up above you

[0:48:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, it's in the little view box on the upper right.

[0:48:11] Voice 17: Here?

[0:48:12] Voice 17: No, not one.

[0:48:13] Voice 17: Directly above it.

[0:48:14] Voice 17: Up, up, up, up.

[0:48:15] Voice 17: No.

[0:48:17] Voice 17: There.

[0:48:18] Voice 17: There.

[0:48:18] Voice 17: See where it says there?

[0:48:21] Voice 17: Full screen.

[0:48:24] Voice 20: Yeah, all the way at the bottom.

[0:48:25] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:48:26] Voice 20: Let's see if...

[0:48:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): Don't put it on the side.

[0:48:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's

[0:48:29] Voice 19: as much as we can.

[0:48:29] Voice 19: I don't know.

[0:48:30] Voice 19: We'll solve it again.

[0:48:31] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:48:31] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:48:31] Voice 19: I think we're good to go.

[0:48:34] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:48:35] Voice 28: Go ahead, Justin.

[0:48:35] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:48:36] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:48:37] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:48:38] Voice 28: Good.

[0:48:38] Voice 28: Good. Can I, just out of curiosity, how many members of the public are in the room right now?

[0:48:45] Voice 19: We're approximately 20 people.

[0:48:47] Voice 28: Okay. Just wondering, and so the audio is okay?

[0:48:53] Voice 20: Yes. Seems to be, yes.

[0:48:54] Voice 28: Thank you. Thank you. So, nice to see you again. Most of you know me. My name is Justine Stark,

[0:49:01] Voice 28: and I'm the Manager of Service Delivery for the Southern Gulf Islands Electoral Area with the

[0:49:05] Voice 28: Capital Regional District. And I was tasked this year to support regional housing in developing a

[0:49:12] Voice 28: rural housing program as a pilot project for the CRD to be launched in 2025. And so we're doing

[0:49:22] Voice 28: this work because we want to keep our islands vibrant and diverse. And we know that there is

[0:49:30] Voice 28: is a housing crisis in the electoral areas and the islands of Islands Trust, and that secure

[0:49:35] Voice 28: housing breaks the poverty cycle. We've got, and it addresses hidden homeless, and we're looking

[0:49:41] Voice 28: to have the right mix of housing as generations shift in island communities. And that means

[0:49:46] Voice 28: focusing on how to support rental and ownership housing, and understanding that we need succession

[0:49:53] Voice 28: planning for the voluntary economy, which makes our islands tick. And that, you know, there's not

[0:50:00] Voice 28: Not a lot of outside sort of solutions that are going to be like silver bullets come and fix it for us.

[0:50:07] Voice 28: We really need to pull together as islanders on in each community and across the islands and consider it.

[0:50:14] Voice 28: Look at it like islanders providing housing for islanders.

[0:50:17] Voice 28: And so, as you know, I like to sort of put it in context that, you know, the housing crisis on the islands looks different than it does in the cities and in urban centers.

[0:50:31] Voice 28: We don't have the tent encampments, but we have hidden homelessness in the back 40s and people living in inadequate shelters, like old trailers or accessory buildings that maybe were converted or just tents in the woods.

[0:50:50] Voice 28: And we have a rural settlement pattern, which means that there's not necessarily opportunities to build up town centers in the same way as in other communities.

[0:51:01] Voice 28: And that is also related to, on most of the islands, a lack of urban infrastructure.

[0:51:07] Voice 28: Pender's different.

[0:51:08] Voice 28: You do have the Magic Lake community with the water and sewer service area.

[0:51:13] Voice 28: And so that offers, you know, a different settlement pattern potential than on the other

[0:51:22] Voice 28: islands.

[0:51:22] Voice 28: But of course, there's servicing limits and limits to the supply that that system can

[0:51:27] Voice 28: support.

[0:51:27] Voice 28: but when you're developing on islands in rural communities in general and on the islands there

[0:51:33] Voice 28: are higher pre-development costs um and especially in islands trust where you do have the islands

[0:51:39] Voice 28: trust act and you have to take that extra uh that extra lens to make sure that you are upholding the

[0:51:46] Voice 28: preserve and protect mandate and that just basically translates into additional professional

[0:51:50] Voice 28: professional reports, the professional reliance on, you know, scientists and registered professional

[0:52:00] Voice 28: biologists and archaeologists to ensure that you are preserving and protecting as you do

[0:52:05] Voice 28: the zoning.

[0:52:06] Voice 28: The demographic of the islands are lower income and older than the rest of the CRD.

[0:52:14] Voice 28: And as unincorporated electoral areas under the Islands Trust, the governance is complicated.

[0:52:21] Voice 28: And this all kind of adds up to mean that projects for like purpose-built multi-unit affordable housing projects are smaller density than our urban neighbors and they don't check the boxes of what the provincial and federal funding programs are looking for.

[0:52:37] Voice 28: and so this is why we're putting together a rural housing program to create like this is a big

[0:52:46] Voice 28: one of the biggest I think advantages is to create the capacity within the CRD to look at

[0:52:53] Voice 28: rural housing solutions differently and it's not just a strategy it's actually programmatic it's

[0:52:58] Voice 28: about providing a service to support island communities that includes supporting the

[0:53:04] Voice 28: nonprofit sector and looking at the opportunities of secondary suites and cottages as accessory

[0:53:10] Voice 28: dwelling units. And then having like a function within CRD that can leverage additional funding

[0:53:19] Voice 28: from other levels of government and hopefully inspire provincial and federal rural housing

[0:53:24] Voice 28: programs. So specifically in 2025, what the pilot project is looking to do, it's got funding over

[0:53:33] Voice 28: two years although um and so it's uh we've got crd board approval for a one million dollar

[0:53:41] Voice 28: pilot program that will be phased over two years and we've got funding for a coordinator through

[0:53:49] Voice 28: a partnership with the southern gulf islands tourism partnership which is um the group that's

[0:53:55] Voice 28: the designated destination marketing organization so they get the tax from the airbnbs and the

[0:54:00] Voice 28: the vacation rentals, the online accommodation providers, they are giving us a portion of that

[0:54:05] Voice 28: revenue to support rural housing solutions. And that's enabled us to hire somebody to do this

[0:54:11] Voice 28: work. And then the board, the money that the CRD board has identified will support the programmatic

[0:54:19] Voice 28: deliverables. So half of it will be dedicated towards financial support for accessory dwelling

[0:54:27] Voice 28: So these are going to be grants or forgivable loans. We're still working out the tool, kind of leaning towards grants, actually, just for ease of administration, but to private property owners so they can, where there is unused secondary suites or cottages opportunities within the existing zoning to give some financial support to what we call the secondary housing market.

[0:54:51] Voice 28: So private property owners renting out a unit to a local. The goal would be to secure that unit as a non-market unit. So take it out of the market. So it has some rental cap on it for as a condition of entering the program. And that would, you know, take it out of the market so it wouldn't be subject to the market inflation that other units might be.

[0:55:15] Voice 28: and then the other sort of main funding piece is to provide pre-development funding to non-profit

[0:55:22] Voice 28: groups who are advancing purpose-built affordable housing as as I kind of went over before it's more

[0:55:28] Voice 28: expensive especially the pre-development phase to get a project off the ground and getting that

[0:55:33] Voice 28: those projects to building permit is actually more expensive and that also sort of takes into

[0:55:39] Voice 28: account the fact that in on many of the islands there's on-site servicing required so you're

[0:55:44] Voice 28: building your own water system and your own septic disposal system. And that's different

[0:55:49] Voice 28: than in urban areas. And then the third piece is just to have that resource to coordinate

[0:55:55] Voice 28: with Islands Trust, provide information to the community and to advocates, support people in

[0:56:02] Voice 28: navigating the multi-jurisdictional context and provide that advocacy to senior government.

[0:56:08] Voice 19: Okay, just one quick question here on that previous slide.

[0:56:11] Voice 19: um

[0:56:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): so justine the number one the financial support for adus um my understanding is that

[0:56:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is a currently up to a forty thousand dollar fifty percent cost um grant program

[0:56:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): through the province of british columbia so are the grants that you're talking about are

[0:56:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): forgivable loans here is that in addition like that's the fifty percent that property owners

[0:56:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): would have to pay so

[0:56:35] Voice 28: that um the provincial program um thank you for raising that um we're

[0:56:39] Voice 28: designing our program to be stackable with that program so that folks could potentially get an

[0:56:44] Voice 28: $80,000 incentive. And the provincial program carries requirements attached to it. And I think

[0:56:53] Voice 28: like through the community engagement that we've done over the past couple months, we're hearing

[0:57:00] Voice 28: that maybe the criteria for the CRD program should be more suited to the Islanders. So maybe a little

[0:57:06] Voice 28: little bit different criteria but if if folks went for the 40,000 from CRD and 40,000 from the

[0:57:14] Voice 28: province they would get 80,000 but they would have to comply with the provincial requirements

[0:57:19] Voice 28: which are going to be a little bit more onerous than the CRD what we're envisioning. That's great

[0:57:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): and if you as you sort of think about these programs and roll them out like everything and

[0:57:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): anything you can do to like make really clear communications about this so that we can help

[0:57:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): help circulate them in community because the barrier of actually the cost here of creating

[0:57:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): secondary seeds we're known for them in multiple areas but we people aren't building them because

[0:57:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the cost here building so

[0:57:46] Voice 23: actually just to this point there is a family right now supported by

[0:57:51] Voice 23: emily bryant one of the planners locally that is going through both levels of it working through

[0:57:59] Voice 23: right now and seeing the potential benefit for uh qualifying for both uh to be able to finish a

[0:58:10] Voice 23: rental suite in their house uh in match point brad

[0:58:14] Voice 28: um i'd be very um open to talking to that

[0:58:18] Voice 28: person if you want to share my contact information with that family that i'm really interested to

[0:58:23] Voice 28: hear more about that yeah

[0:58:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): because that was like one of the best communication strategies

[0:58:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): strategies from my perspective in this committee would be to like take that case do a bunch of

[0:58:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): videos and share them out on facebook like that would go crazy oh

[0:58:34] Voice 28: that's that that's a great idea

[0:58:36] Voice 28: i um okay thank you yeah that's that third piece number three and that's i think you know it's not

[0:58:43] Voice 28: as as sexy it as like oh here's some funding we're going to offer but i think it's the biggest

[0:58:48] Voice 28: it's the biggest goal from my perspective is to to have that capacity to do those kinds of things so

[0:58:54] Voice 28: um shall i move on then um okay this is the um this is just like all the groups that we're

[0:59:04] Voice 28: working with so this is a southern gulf islands slide i have another one for salt spring um but

[0:59:10] Voice 28: it shows you the the sort of scope of the non-profit sector across the southern gulf

[0:59:14] Voice 28: islands electoral area and other things that are already going on and it just really highlights

[0:59:18] Voice 28: the need for coordination um for all the different moving parts um and um i've been i've been kind of

[0:59:26] Voice 28: talking this up as i give my presentations to different local trust committees and i am

[0:59:30] Voice 28: actually on the agenda for trust council next week so sorry um trustees you might get it's a

[0:59:36] Voice 28: similar but different presentation um and more brief at trust council next week but it's about

[0:59:41] Voice 28: the governance relay because we all share a piece of responsibility and um it's so tempting um people

[0:59:48] Voice 28: People get very passionate about housing and you see it's really easy to sort of point fingers and say, like, well, you know, this is the biggest need.

[0:59:54] Voice 28: And so this is what needs to happen. But it might be outside of your scope of authority.

[1:00:00] Voice 28: And so let's do all that we can within our each of our responsible areas and take it as far as we can and then and then pass it off to our partners.

[1:00:09] Voice 28: And, you know, part of the work of the rural housing program is to really socialize that and and and make sure that people are going to be able to or agencies are going to be able to receive that that baton when it gets passed.

[1:00:23] Voice 28: And so our different roles are complementary.

[1:00:24] Voice 28: complementary you know there's a lot you can do with your land use planning and implementing the

[1:00:28] Voice 28: toolkit and the good work that brad has been doing and the apc um has given you a report which is

[1:00:34] Voice 28: really excellent i had a chance to read it over um but there's some some high level things that

[1:00:39] Voice 28: i'm i'm advocating local trust committees and trust council consider and like part of it is

[1:00:43] Voice 28: coordinate with each other so that there's a standard floor area requirement for cottages

[1:00:48] Voice 28: so that you can give the private sector something to market to.

[1:00:55] Voice 28: So, you know, for example, the prefab solutions are hard

[1:01:00] Voice 28: when the size that the prefab model doesn't fit the zoning.

[1:01:04] Voice 28: And then if each island has a different size requirement,

[1:01:07] Voice 28: it's hard for that private solution to get developed.

[1:01:11] Voice 28: Another big one is about the housing agreements.

[1:01:14] Voice 28: And, you know, we can always get into the details of that,

[1:01:18] Voice 28: But recognizing that it's so hard to get these things funded, you want to make sure that you're very strategic in how you frame your housing agreement so it can support whatever funding program that project ends up in at the end of the day.

[1:01:31] Voice 28: And, you know, there's lots I can say more about the zoning, but it's such a key piece of it.

[1:01:37] Voice 28: And then, you know, we're over here at CRD and we're trying to support uptake of your zoning with these other programs.

[1:01:44] Voice 28: And then, of course, there is a role for the regional housing and the Capital Regional Housing Corporation to develop and own and operate housing, as they do over on the peninsula, and they don't do in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:01:56] Voice 28: So that's another kind of internal piece that I'm working on.

[1:02:02] Voice 28: So that kind of brings me to the end of my presentation.

[1:02:06] Voice 28: My big message is let's work together.

[1:02:08] Voice 28: It takes a whole government approach.

[1:02:09] Voice 28: on the municipal side you know they can just work within their own organization to come to the table

[1:02:15] Voice 28: and advance a project through over in our context it would be really helpful if we had you know

[1:02:23] Voice 28: project-based steering committees that were like multi-agency and we could see a project through

[1:02:29] Voice 28: when it's in the zoning phase and understand where it's stuck and where the sticking points are and

[1:02:35] Voice 28: And that will make our communities and our projects more fundable.

[1:02:39] Voice 28: I know that BC Housing is really gun-shy about working in the Islands Trust area because they've been burned, probably Salt Springs fault mostly, but it's very, very hard for everyone to understand how it works in the islands.

[1:02:56] Voice 28: And as electoral areas, we're off the sides of everybody's desk.

[1:03:00] Voice 28: And so, making it easy for senior governments and other departments within CRD to help our projects succeed, it takes a little extra effort on our behalf.

[1:03:11] Voice 28: Okay, I'll get off my soapbox, but thank you very much for your time and happy to answer more questions if there are any.

[1:03:19] Voice 19: Thank you, Justine. Any questions?

[1:03:22] Voice 19: Well, thank you very much, Justine. We really appreciate that and look forward to the next round next week.

[1:03:30] Voice 29: okay yeah thank you very much thank

[1:03:34] Voice 19: you okay

[1:03:35] Voice 29: bye-bye

[1:03:36] Voice 20: all

[1:03:38] Voice 19: righty so moving on we have before us um uh several factors that it's for for a doctor

[1:03:49] Voice 19: um so 10.1 local trust me minutes is dated july 26 trustee morris i

[1:03:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't think it was that one it

[1:03:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): was the note 50 minutes i can't i haven't looked at each of those minutes and i'm trying to figure

[1:04:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): out which one was the one that actually had it 26.

[1:04:05] Voice 19: there's the one that we deferred so let's

[1:04:07] Voice 19: see if we can find this so i

[1:04:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): did actually look at 26 i couldn't see

[1:04:11] Voice 6: the specific part

[1:04:12] Voice 19: it was in town hall um

[1:04:20] Voice 20: yeah

[1:04:34] Voice 19: So at the top of page three, it's right here.

[1:04:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so just to be clear, it says, oh, that's right.

[1:04:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): It doesn't actually say that I said it, but I said it.

[1:04:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): So whilst not known at the time, the variance for the landowner through their family foundation made a significant donation to Raincoast Conservation, which points to their interest in protection of the island.

[1:05:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): so this is has been pointed out that this is not accurate and so and Brad was saying last time when

[1:05:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): we brought this up that we can't change the minutes because something I said regardless

[1:05:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): so I want to add it in here that that was inaccurate so

[1:05:21] Voice 9: I think you could just add it

[1:05:24] Voice 9: to these minutes so that's where

[1:05:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): I want to add it right below this but you

[1:05:28] Voice 9: didn't say that I

[1:05:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): understand that I want to caveat that subsequently like it has been found to be accurate it has to

[1:05:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): be with the tax otherwise nobody's going to locate it and it's going to be constantly an issue where

[1:05:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): so yeah

[1:05:40] Voice 17: okay so

[1:05:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): i move did i add a statement to the july 26 2024 minutes um and i can follow this

[1:05:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): up lisa i know i'm sorry i'm doing this on the fly um after the comment on page three of today's

[1:06:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): meeting notes actually it's not page this is page three no it's page six of today's meeting notes

[1:06:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): after the statement while not known at the time of the variance and i'll write this all in our

[1:06:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): email um approval the landowner through their family foundation made a significant donation

[1:06:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): to the raincoast conservation foundation which points to their interest in protection land

[1:06:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): um i would like a note saying um this has been uh proven not to be accurate

[1:06:38] Voice 19: so it literally it would have to be like an asterisk yeah and

[1:06:42] Voice 19: it would say at the november

[1:06:44] Voice 19: 29th meeting it was noted yeah so it would just be a highlighted asterisk at the bottom of it

[1:06:51] Voice 19: is that okay is

[1:06:52] Voice 23: that is that statement untrue or is the the part that is being contested that

[1:07:03] Voice 23: it was part of the reason for decision well it wasn't because it's no

[1:07:08] Voice 6: i realized that

[1:07:09] Voice 23: when i read the letter my understanding of the objection to it was that

[1:07:15] Voice 23: it sounded as though it was used in the decision-making process

[1:07:23] Voice 23: which if if that right so so that that that's right yeah

[1:07:29] Voice 23: amendment

[1:07:29] Voice 3: is accurate like at the time we did receive money from the hussein foundation but

[1:07:36] Voice 3: it was not for the work acquiring and protecting land okay so it's not accurate for what's here

[1:07:43] Voice 3: yeah

[1:07:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i think that's right so and if we need to defer this to the next meeting and get that motion

[1:07:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): and correct or defer it to later in the meeting and i can send a proper motion i'm good with

[1:07:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): whatever whatever you want to do because i don't want to take a bunch of time right now

[1:07:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do that

[1:07:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i can write it out and send it in you

[1:07:59] Voice 19: do that and then sort of so what we'll do is at an

[1:08:04] Voice 19: appropriate moment we'll just do

[1:08:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): it in the new business

[1:08:05] Voice 19: and i'll

[1:08:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): just make sure that it gets

[1:08:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): added up before we leave okay

[1:08:09] Voice 19: so lisa um in time there'll be a an email coming to you and we'll

[1:08:14] Voice 19: adopt the minutes at that time um for these

[1:08:18] Voice 19: ones yes so we're going to move on to 10.2 that's local

[1:08:22] Voice 19: trust committee minutes special meeting uh dated october 26th so fairly straightforward so by

[1:08:28] Voice 19: general consent we can adopt those um we have a second uh section 26 resolution meeting report

[1:08:34] Voice 19: just for your information we don't have to talk to anything that's right

[1:08:43] Voice 19: and then we have called for receipt the advisory planning commission

[1:08:50] Voice 19: august 12 september 13th october 18th november 1st and november 14th and i will note you know

[1:08:57] Voice 19: going through those minutes there is so detailed it's so well done yeah it's great

[1:09:01] Voice 19: and the amount

[1:09:02] Voice 19: of energy and the amount of effort that advisory planning committee has put in is more than i've

[1:09:06] Voice 19: seen from anyone it's very very much appreciated the hard work i i

[1:09:11] Voice 23: wanted to say thank uh thank

[1:09:13] Voice 23: you for to the people that are here in the room that are part of that because that is like it's

[1:09:19] Voice 23: a huge you've done a huge amount of work in a relatively short amount of time um and put a lot

[1:09:27] Voice 23: of their own time and effort into them that's it's incredible it

[1:09:31] Voice 19: was a very impressive meeting

[1:09:34] Voice 19: it's uh very well done thank you very much all right so that's just for our receipt um so we

[1:09:40] Voice 19: go to 11.1 follow-up action list uh anything for that stuff highlighter any questions from

[1:09:46] Voice 19: management okay we've had our delegation um so we have correspondence um for us

[1:09:56] Voice 19: uh so at 31 we have sarah miles and 13.2 when it was conversation conservation foundation

[1:10:02] Voice 19: I guess I was just reading.

[1:10:03] Voice 19: We're dealing

[1:10:03] Voice 20: with the post-consultation.

[1:10:05] Voice 19: So those are just for leasing.

[1:10:07] Voice 19: OK, so applications and referrals.

[1:10:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, wait a minute.

[1:10:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Sorry, sorry.

[1:10:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): The Sarah Miles one is not about property.

[1:10:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): The Sarah Miles one is about the minutes related to presentation.

[1:10:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): What's the delegation?

[1:10:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this.

[1:10:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's a lot of minutes here.

[1:10:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): Wait, I'm talking in advance.

[1:10:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): ask um is that did you have delegation presentation or notes related to your presentation or was it

[1:10:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): all verbal i

[1:10:36] Voice 6: didn't submit any

[1:10:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): notes okay that's usually how our delegations are documented in our

[1:10:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): minutes is any notes or slides are added to the deck so if you have no first line i would encourage

[1:10:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): you to submit that and we could maybe addendum the notes with that so that your points that you

[1:10:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): made are in the delegation i don't know if that's what that's usually how we handle delegations

[1:10:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's why the delegations are usually a little bit briefer in the notes is because we usually

[1:11:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): have a package of whatever you submitted with it so that's what i would encourage thanks okay okay

[1:11:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): all

[1:11:09] Voice 19: right so we have um 14.1 or np tup 20 20 20 24.6 again assy um was really fast

[1:11:21] Voice 19: that. Is the applicant here? Hopefully I didn't butcher your name, it's horrible.

[1:11:30] Voice 19: Thank you very much. All right, so over to the next

[1:11:33] Voice 10: three are with Planet Testimel.

[1:11:37] Voice 10: Oh, and there he

[1:11:38] Voice 19: is on screen. Welcome Planet Testimel, welcome to North Penn.

[1:11:42] Voice 19: Thank

[1:11:42] Planner Testemale: you very much, Chair Maude. So, yeah, application TUP 2024.6, Joshua Ganesai, 3745 Privateers Road. The application under consideration is for a temporary use permit for short-term vacation rental within the dwelling unit.

[1:12:03] Planner Testemale: it. So a TUP for the STVR use was first issued for the property in 2019 and renewed in 2021 for

[1:12:12] Planner Testemale: three years. So as a TUP can only be renewed once under legislation, this is actually considered a

[1:12:19] Planner Testemale: new application and that requires notification to neighbors. So issuance of the proposed TUP would

[1:12:26] Planner Testemale: allow the STVR use to continue in compliance with the land use bylaw. The STVR is proposed to

[1:12:34] Planner Testemale: continue within a modestly sized existing dwelling with a maximum proposed capacity of five guests

[1:12:40] Planner Testemale: and the applicants are requesting that they rent for a maximum of 180 days in the summer which

[1:12:46] Planner Testemale: would essentially be unlimited and overall they estimate that they rent for approximately half

[1:12:52] Planner Testemale: a year half the year which is 25 weeks per year and on balance or the rest of

[1:12:59] Planner Testemale: the time it's used by the applicants family and friends the applicants have

[1:13:03] Planner Testemale: completed a guidelines check and they've provided a copy of their guest

[1:13:07] Planner Testemale: information which is all attached and sorry the guidelines for their visitors

[1:13:13] Planner Testemale: and they've also provided water consumption and hydro records for the

[1:13:18] Planner Testemale: the past three years. So there have been no complaints received since the original TUP was

[1:13:24] Planner Testemale: issued. And so OCP guidelines were analyzed and with the exception of the guideline for limitation

[1:13:30] Planner Testemale: on the amount of days permitted in the summer month, TUP conforms to the OCP guidelines. And

[1:13:37] Planner Testemale: I'd note that that maximum of 180 days is consistent with an application that was approved

[1:13:42] Planner Testemale: approved by the LTC in February for 2601 Harpoon Drive.

[1:13:48] Planner Testemale: Other applications over the past year

[1:13:50] Planner Testemale: and maybe longer than that have been approved

[1:13:55] Planner Testemale: at around six or anywhere from 60 to 90 days

[1:13:58] Planner Testemale: for the summer months.

[1:13:59] Planner Testemale: So the TUP notices were circulated

[1:14:02] Planner Testemale: to surrounding property owners and residents.

[1:14:04] Planner Testemale: They were also published.

[1:14:06] Planner Testemale: It was also published in a newspaper

[1:14:08] Planner Testemale: bid newspaper and posted on community bulletin boards with no responses received with the

[1:14:14] Planner Testemale: exception of one telephone call. So the recommendation on page one is that the LTC

[1:14:19] Planner Testemale: approve issuance of the TUP as drafted for a period of three years and the rationale being

[1:14:24] Planner Testemale: that we have received no complaints about the STVR. The guest capacity is modest at five people.

[1:14:33] Planner Testemale: 180 days rental in the summer is consistent with some recent applications.

[1:14:38] Planner Testemale: The application substantively meets the TUP guidelines. There's been no written response

[1:14:44] Planner Testemale: to notification noting there was one delegation or sorry one presentation at the town hall at

[1:14:50] Planner Testemale: this point and the permit provides conditions to ensure that the use does not have an unreasonable

[1:14:56] Planner Testemale: impact on the local area and in the event it does there's the ability to enforce compliance through

[1:15:03] Planner Testemale: sorry, compliance with the TEP.

[1:15:05] Planner Testemale: So alternatives have also been provided

[1:15:07] Planner Testemale: on the final page of the report.

[1:15:10] Planner Testemale: And that's it.

[1:15:11] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:15:12] Voice 19: So trustees, any questions for the planner

[1:15:14] Voice 19: and the applicant, please?

[1:15:17] Voice 6: I

[1:15:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): have a question.

[1:15:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): So Phil, so the 180 days,

[1:15:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): can you remind me in the STVR regulations,

[1:15:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): what is our day limit?

[1:15:28] Planner Testemale: 30.

[1:15:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[1:15:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): So why 180 versus 30?

[1:15:33] Planner Testemale: Are you asking me

[1:15:34] Planner Testemale: are you asking the applicant

[1:15:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): no just like you you're suggesting the approval well

[1:15:39] Planner Testemale: so um

[1:15:40] Planner Testemale: unfortunately it doesn't seem like um to success uh it matters what the guidelines say because as

[1:15:47] Planner Testemale: i said um you approved one for 180 days in february and all of the other applications that

[1:15:54] Planner Testemale: we were receiving um people have been asking for 60 or 90 days and those have been approved so

[1:15:59] Planner Testemale: So it's kind of hard to apply a guideline where it's not basically regarded by the local trust committee with respect.

[1:16:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): Good point. And potentially we should bold that for all future STVRs because I think the 181, 80 day one probably is the second thing that I sneaked under my radar.

[1:16:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Actually,

[1:16:22] Planner Testemale: I just want to point out that staff recommended against that.

[1:16:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Sorry about that.

[1:16:32] Voice 23: well it's a rapidly changing landscape i think for stvrs right now um and potentially

[1:16:41] Voice 23: could end in the next two years the ability for anybody to have an stvr on penra

[1:16:51] Voice 23: out um the way that the government is moving um we have deferred opting in so far uh which would

[1:17:03] Voice 23: eliminate all of our uh applications and approvals i think immediately uh there's something

[1:17:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): we really

[1:17:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): need to think about there's

[1:17:13] Voice 23: a there's a bill that has been stayed at the moment um locally on the

[1:17:18] Voice 23: islands but galliano i think or gabriola has opted in

[1:17:24] Voice 17: and

[1:17:25] Voice 23: sort of the

[1:17:30] Voice 23: the party line has been kind of to see what happens with it and where it goes as far as

[1:17:38] Voice 23: turning over um the control and enforcement of it i believe it would go to the regional district

[1:17:46] Voice 23: would become the governing body for STDRs

[1:17:50] Voice 23: and it would end all TUPs.

[1:17:54] Voice 23: So I know for myself,

[1:17:57] Voice 23: the application being referenced on Harpoon,

[1:18:04] Voice 23: the willingness for that one

[1:18:07] Voice 23: was that the type of house that it is

[1:18:09] Voice 23: is not conducive to a long-term rental house

[1:18:13] Voice 23: on Pender Island providing affordable rental.

[1:18:17] Voice 23: um historically it had been used as that and that was the reason that was the justification

[1:18:23] Voice 23: for continuing uh with the the longer rental um this one is not the same type of property

[1:18:37] Voice 23: and so to compare the two of them is not really accurate in what I've driven by to have a look

[1:18:46] Voice 23: at it and to see uh sort of what um what we're up against as far as as considering them to be

[1:18:55] Voice 23: the same and they're not so we have to decide with all future s tbrs what we're really setting

[1:19:04] Voice 23: people up for as well and if you do continue to um to extend tups or grant tps because they may

[1:19:15] Voice 23: we may be approving something that's not going to exist so yeah

[1:19:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): my preference right now because

[1:19:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): my understanding is the stbs are ours are woven into our housing conversation for a little bit

[1:19:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): of like are we like limiting stock on housing related to this like the point that was made

[1:19:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): earlier i think there's a bunch of different kind of pieces to it i know that there was it was six

[1:19:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): years ago i think that the stb art policy was approved and it was approved because there was

[1:19:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): was a community like effort to actually get it as TBRs and things it was a big conversation at the

[1:19:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): time um seven maybe years ago anyway um so but I I do agree like I'm a little reluctant to like

[1:19:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): either go very beyond the sort of limit that's set out in our policies because I don't want to

[1:20:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): raise expectations by people that they're going to have like a bunch of income that may disappear

[1:20:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): here tomorrow right um i do think we should actually opt into the provincial move um but

[1:20:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's something we have to agree to as a group and um but you know there i'd like to make that

[1:20:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): based on a little bit more evidence around like what the housing group or what our housing review

[1:20:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): looks like because there's a bit of a question there still about like how our stbr rentals

[1:20:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): related to housing stock or not so i'd like to understand that a little bit better so this one

[1:20:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would like to approve the 30 days for one or two years two years maybe um it could disappear

[1:20:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i guess that's a question for the planners like if the provincial if we opt into the

[1:20:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): provincial thing and it goes forward then does that mean that we need any of our tups to stop

[1:20:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): or do tups take precedent to that i don't know

[1:20:57] Planner Testemale: the tups would end oh so then

[1:21:00] Planner Testemale: there's no and

[1:21:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): And

[1:21:01] Planner Testemale: there's no grandfathering with that provincial legislation.

[1:21:04] Planner Testemale: So then

[1:21:05] Planner Testemale: maybe

[1:21:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): we go ahead and do this one for 30 days and three years.

[1:21:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the challenge we have is that we have policy on STVRs.

[1:21:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): If we decide to not abide by our own policy in terms of not granting a TUP,

[1:21:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): my understanding, Phil, and correct me on this,

[1:21:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): is we actually need a reason why we're not doing that.

[1:21:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Otherwise, we're liable.

[1:21:26] Planner Testemale: No, you have complete discretion with the TUP.

[1:21:29] Planner Testemale: so you have guidelines that are in the ocp which you as as a local trust committee have taken upon

[1:21:35] Planner Testemale: yourself to introduce you can choose to ignore them or you can choose to heed them and and to

[1:21:42] Planner Testemale: what degree is is totally up to you but you do not have to provide any rationale for any decision on

[1:21:48] Planner Testemale: a on a tup because it is completely discretionary so

[1:21:52] Voice 31: okay

[1:21:54] Voice 19: so what we have is here so you've heard

[1:21:56] Voice 19: discussion anything you want to contribute to the discussion um

[1:21:59] Voice 31: so

[1:22:00] Voice 22: i think um it was really

[1:22:03] Voice 22: a precedence that if someone is going to ask for x amount of days that i should ask for x amount

[1:22:07] Voice 22: of days as well um just to be on side with everyone else um you know one important thing

[1:22:13] Voice 22: i think that and uh you guys can be the judge is uh like so even a recent guest who stayed there

[1:22:19] Voice 22: for a week is actually contractors i know it's very hard to get contractors on the island and

[1:22:23] Voice 22: usually they can't come over because they don't have a place to stay and do the work over multiple

[1:22:28] Voice 22: days and then you know we're going to pay a lot more for the transporting in and out um so i think

[1:22:34] Voice 22: it is a big benefit um the 180 days that we asked for that was kind of including our family and

[1:22:40] Voice 22: friends if we wanted to add them all up what was the most that we would use so that's where the

[1:22:46] Voice 22: number came from so i'm open to you know having that number come down a bit um by insurance

[1:22:51] Voice 22: standards were only allowed like I think 160 days so it was again just going with the precedence of

[1:22:57] Voice 22: this is what's been given out as recently as February so we should just stay on top of that

[1:23:01] Voice 22: um but if you have any questions or anything I mean I will do like like you said if it's that

[1:23:08] Voice 22: one day the TUP will just end then you know please go ahead and you know the TUP until that time

[1:23:19] Voice 23: Yeah, I mean, one of the challenges in dealing with some of this stuff is trying to set up a framework for enforcement as well.

[1:23:34] Voice 23: And we know there's 11, including this one, there's 11 permits given out in Magic Lake for short-term vacation rentals.

[1:23:47] Voice 23: And that isn't a very big number.

[1:23:52] Voice 23: You know, that's not a ton of people doing it.

[1:23:56] Voice 23: But in the efforts, I believe, and it was prior to my term, the effort to get them registered was so that there could be enforcement and there is a standing resolution to enforce against STBRs that are not in compliance.

[1:24:18] Voice 23: um so you you don't want to start penalizing people that are trying to go through the process

[1:24:27] Voice 23: properly but we're also in a climate right now where in general they're frowned upon

[1:24:38] Voice 23: provincially um and so it becomes it's a difficult decision to make um for people I mean

[1:24:46] Voice 23: It does affect homeowners or families that own a home

[1:24:52] Voice 23: that are not necessarily residents or full-time residents.

[1:25:03] Voice 23: I don't actually know sort of what to do with this stuff

[1:25:08] Voice 23: when it comes forward because you can see both sides of it

[1:25:11] Voice 23: and the impact positively and negatively in the community

[1:25:15] Voice 23: from different sides.

[1:25:17] Voice 23: so yeah

[1:25:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): and that argument that you were mentioning was one of the arguments at the time when these

[1:25:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): were discussed before was the idea of like zircon factors again that we don't know a ton right now

[1:25:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): about how they're being used because we don't have data on that so i don't know i would like

[1:25:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): started

[1:25:38] Voice 22: to cut you off and i so just kind of two things just to touch on that like even like when

[1:25:42] Voice 22: there was big wind storms and like power trees or power lines down everywhere and the island was

[1:25:46] Voice 22: like no power for days we house bc hydro because our driveway there it goes yeah and they were here

[1:25:52] Voice 22: at our place for many days getting the car back one door every year right so it's not like we're

[1:25:59] Voice 22: just it's not like a profitable thing to be honest like i know you eventually coming with rich like

[1:26:03] Voice 22: but one thing um so this happened at the last or the original time when we went to get our scvr

[1:26:13] Voice 22: um there was a comment made at the town hall kind of before everything started about and i don't

[1:26:19] Voice 22: know if this is true so this may be hearsay but there was around 100 or so maybe stvrs that were

[1:26:23] Voice 22: not actually registered and not going through the proper channels so now you mentioned there's

[1:26:29] Voice 22: about 11 so i don't know if we've maybe addressed yeah there is an ongoing issue but like the fact

[1:26:35] Voice 22: that i'm going through all the process like we have all the documentation we we very we limit

[1:26:40] Voice 22: how many people can stay like we try to choose it's all references okay are you family and kids

[1:26:45] Voice 22: or what are you here for are you contractors are like like we're not a party house you know it's

[1:26:51] Voice 22: not that kind of environment um and it's really like so we've addressed the overall like that

[1:26:58] Voice 22: maybe it's under the table in some areas but we're trying to be legit and we're trying to you know

[1:27:03] Voice 22: be part of the community so i would hate to be rejected um

[1:27:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): so a couple things one of the reasons

[1:27:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we have stvr bylaws originally was to provide clarity and like a pathway right that everybody

[1:27:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): agreed to so that's why if we don't think that those stvr regulations are working for us as a

[1:27:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): community for the problem doesn't think then that we should remove them so that there's clarity

[1:27:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): right because it's about clarity about people like applying for things so while i'm not a huge

[1:27:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): fan frankly i do understand like why they function the community trying to keep them so that they're

[1:27:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): not overpowering a neighborhood is important for us which is we're trying to do the how many

[1:27:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): stvrs are on the island is a little bit misleading sometimes because if you look it up on

[1:27:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): like Airbnb or whatever. People who live in a house and rent a room in their house can do that

[1:27:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): without a TUP. So we have TUPs for people who don't live in their house who are renting a portion

[1:28:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the house. That's a difference. That's what the STPR bylaws are. So there may be more than the

[1:28:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): bylaw or the TUPs that we have. So there's a little bit of data confusion there for folks.

[1:28:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I'm okay if we go ahead. I don't want the 180 days. I do remember that one and why we

[1:28:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): did that but so I would prefer it to be like in the 60-day range which I think is a little bit

[1:28:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): more consistent with the bulk of them and then we revisit the entire STVR package which is already

[1:28:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): happening so and we make a more uniform decision across STVRs because we keep coming up with this

[1:28:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): every time we hit an STVR so I either wouldn't want to change the STVR rules or have the problems

[1:28:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): change them or we like are a little bit more consistent about how we're applying so I'd go

[1:28:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): for 60 days and um the three years and then we just see what happens as we go forward with the

[1:28:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): review of the housing project would

[1:28:58] Voice 22: it be fair to just cut the 180 and a half and just say 90 days

[1:29:02] Voice 22: and then i'm still with under underneath my insurance availability days and then um you know

[1:29:07] Voice 22: based on the other precedents that's been said with others over 100 and i'd be okay with 90 of

[1:29:13] Voice 22: those bill

[1:29:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): what are the range of them and do you have an average roughly uh i couldn't i couldn't

[1:29:19] Planner Testemale: itemize them but they're typically 60 to 90 i just want to clarify that when i did speak to

[1:29:24] Planner Testemale: the applicant um i didn't encourage the applicant to go to 180 days i merely pointed out what uh

[1:29:31] Planner Testemale: one of the applications that was um approved and i did give the average so um but i also

[1:29:39] Planner Testemale: expressed the fact that it's kind of hard to understand the policy direction when it seems

[1:29:46] Planner Testemale: like yeah as i've said before so yeah

[1:29:48] Voice 12: i get that sorry about that so does 90

[1:29:51] Planner Testemale: work for you

[1:29:52] Planner Testemale: no

[1:29:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would prefer but

[1:29:53] Voice 19: if

[1:29:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): you want to argue for 90 go for it

[1:29:57] Voice 23: no i'm not

[1:30:00] Voice 23: I don't want to argue about anything.

[1:30:04] Voice 23: The only other thought that I have, and I don't know, Brad, if you know about this, is, is there capturable funding coming from STDRs?

[1:30:19] Voice 23: And did Galliano not somehow apply to get taxation based on certification rentals to use for housing?

[1:30:34] Voice 23: And is that part of the future discussion?

[1:30:38] Voice 23: Well,

[1:30:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's why I think there's a bunch of hubbub about this is where is the taxation.

[1:30:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I thought it was getting captured now in the Airbnb tax.

[1:30:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): It comes

[1:30:48] Voice 8: to the tourism here.

[1:30:50] Voice 8: are

[1:30:51] Voice 19: you familiar with that it's sorry

[1:30:55] Planner Testemale: i'm not no with

[1:30:57] Voice 19: the various providers that there is

[1:30:59] Voice 19: supposed to be uh i don't think that's really an axe but a theme it's a two percent accommodation

[1:31:07] Voice 23: yeah the tax i think that i believe got i've just popped in my head that galliano has

[1:31:15] Voice 23: has been given him potentially

[1:31:19] Voice 19: a couple of million dollars.

[1:31:23] Voice 19: So I see the regional planning manager, it's popped up.

[1:31:25] Voice 19: So I think he might have some insight.

[1:31:27] Voice 26: Yeah, you may be thinking of the tax

[1:31:30] Voice 26: or the fee, the visitor's fee, which you mentioned.

[1:31:32] Voice 26: It's a CRD body that it goes to, I think.

[1:31:37] Voice 5: Tourism group, yeah.

[1:31:39] Voice 26: Yeah.

[1:31:41] Voice 23: But have they not, have we not figured out a way

[1:31:44] Voice 23: to capture that and offer it back into an affordable housing

[1:31:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah i'm not

[1:31:53] Voice 26: sure i'm not

[1:31:55] Voice 26: sure what all the grants what money has been paid out but um yeah i think i think it has

[1:32:01] Voice 26: just for clarification

[1:32:04] Voice 20: clarification

[1:32:05] Planner Testemale: though galliano doesn't allow stvrs anymore right other

[1:32:10] Planner Testemale: than as deb pointed out earlier if you live on the property and you're renting out either cottage or

[1:32:16] Planner Testemale: or your house, alternately.

[1:32:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): So at the next meeting,

[1:32:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): can we get some clarity on the accommodation tax?

[1:32:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Just as part of our housing,

[1:32:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): we'll be really good to have that super, super clear,

[1:32:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): because it's gonna influence how we go forward

[1:32:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): thinking about FTVRs generally.

[1:32:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the question is,

[1:32:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): does money come into either

[1:32:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): the Southern Gulf Island Tourism Group,

[1:32:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): which I think is the body that currently captures

[1:32:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): that accommodations tax,

[1:32:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): tax, is that coming from our STVRs? Do our STVRs generate part of that tax? And if it

[1:32:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): does, does Pender get any benefit from that fund? So that would be nice to have a really

[1:32:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): clear answer to those questions. We don't need it right now because I, frankly, feel

[1:33:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): a little bit just about are we abiding by our violence or not?

[1:33:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): that all

[1:33:05] Voice 22: right

[1:33:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): well

[1:33:09] Voice 22: sorry just about the days would it be possible say if it's three year and

[1:33:14] Voice 22: it might even get caught up in two that we start higher and it just decreases say year one is higher

[1:33:19] Voice 22: than year two it would go down and if we could end up at year three would be at the 60 days

[1:33:23] Voice 22: our

[1:33:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): policy right now is 30 days so 60 is double our current policy i understand i understand please

[1:33:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): let me finish i understand the idea that there is precedence but they're not legal precedence

[1:33:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's at our discretion

[1:33:35] Voice 23: yeah yeah no i i do think that we need to move you know towards

[1:33:44] Voice 23: bringing things back into alignment with what the original um intention of it was uh

[1:33:55] Voice 23: yeah do

[1:33:56] Voice 5: you want to do 30 then

[1:33:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): do you want to do 60. i think 60. okay can we all drive

[1:34:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): through the months of the summer yeah that's that's the argument of why people were doing

[1:34:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it is because of that there is some also counter argument about that being problematic too

[1:34:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): but um i think if we if we try and get ourselves back onto the policy that's a little bit fair

[1:34:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): so 60 days no do you need a motion to amend that no you just are going to amend it and we'll just

[1:34:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): say no

[1:34:27] Planner Testemale: no no you need to you need to amend uh because the permit as as notified sent out for

[1:34:34] Planner Testemale: notification so you have to make the amendment to the permit and then adopt the permit as amended

[1:34:37] Planner Testemale: so um if you look at the end i think that there should be um number three resolution for that

[1:34:45] Planner Testemale: uh so it would be that

[1:34:50] Voice 23: the north pender island local trust committee and then temporary use

[1:34:53] Voice 23: permit and ptup 2024.6 be amended by the addition of the following conditions or

[1:35:02] Planner Testemale: just by limiting

[1:35:02] Planner Testemale: it to 60 days I think is what you're you're after so and then your next

[1:35:10] Planner Testemale: resolution would be to adopt the permit as amended to

[1:35:18] Voice 23: amend or add conditions

[1:35:23] Voice 23: that was okay oh

[1:35:27] Planner Testemale: sorry Amazon yeah

[1:35:29] Voice 23: number three in alternatives is that the

[1:35:35] Voice 23: The North Bender Island Local Trust Committee amend Temporary Use Permit NPTUP 2024.6 to be amended by the addition of the following conditions would be a maximum of 60 days.

[1:35:53] Voice 23: Is that what

[1:35:58] Voice 6: you need, Phil?

[1:35:59] Planner Testemale: You can word it that way, but you can just say it.

[1:36:02] Planner Testemale: Sorry.

[1:36:03] Planner Testemale: You could just say be amended by limiting the amount of days to 60 days.

[1:36:11] Planner Testemale: And that would suffice.

[1:36:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): Lisa, can you read back what you, so do you want to go with what he just said?

[1:36:19] Voice 6: Lisa,

[1:36:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): did you capture that?

[1:36:24] Voice 24: Yes, I did. Would you like me to read it back?

[1:36:26] Voice 24: Please.

[1:36:27] Voice 24: It was moved that the North Pender Local Trust Committee

[1:36:31] Voice 24: temporary use permit N0-TUP, I'm sorry, NO-TUP-2024.6

[1:36:41] Voice 24: be amended by limiting the amount of days to 60. second okay

[1:36:48] Voice 19: any further discussion

[1:36:51] Voice 19: question or favor yeah that's carried so now we go back to the original motion i believe

[1:36:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[1:36:59] Voice 19: and

[1:37:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): if dude hasn't been done yeah do

[1:37:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): you have it in front of you

[1:37:04] Voice 19: we're going to

[1:37:05] Voice 23: that as amended no back to the south yeah have the north pender island

[1:37:10] Voice 23: and local trust committee approve issuance

[1:37:13] Voice 23: of temporary use permit NP-TUP 2024-06

[1:37:17] Voice 23: for a period of three years.

[1:37:19] Voice 19: As amended. As amended.

[1:37:21] Voice 19: Second. Second.

[1:37:22] Voice 19: Any further discussion?

[1:37:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Maybe just that statement that, you know,

[1:37:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): this is part of the housing conversation,

[1:37:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): and hopefully either the province and or us

[1:37:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): will sort of sort our way forward

[1:37:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): about what the policy is a little bit,

[1:37:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): like what's working or what's not working

[1:37:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): about the current situation one more period.

[1:37:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right okay

[1:37:40] Voice 19: so call the question okay that carries thank you very much

[1:37:45] Voice 19: all right um our next application for us is mtpl tup 2024 0261 murdoch um

[1:37:56] Voice 19: i give back to you planet testimony thank

[1:38:00] Planner Testemale: you chair um so this is uh for

[1:38:04] Planner Testemale: for Dorothy Murdoch and representing the Driftwood Centre

[1:38:10] Planner Testemale: and it's for lot three plan VIP 54822,

[1:38:15] Planner Testemale: which is the large lot directly behind the Driftwood.

[1:38:19] Planner Testemale: And the application is considered the renewal

[1:38:22] Planner Testemale: of a temporary use permit for the uses necessary

[1:38:24] Planner Testemale: for the operation and maintenance of the Driftwood Centre

[1:38:27] Planner Testemale: on a portion or a one hectare portion of the property.

[1:38:31] Planner Testemale: That portion is shown in Figure 2, which is part of the staff report.

[1:38:35] Planner Testemale: The actual specific uses are for the storage and processing of landscape materials, storage of gravel,

[1:38:42] Planner Testemale: storage of equipment and materials directly required for the maintenance and construction of the driftwood,

[1:38:48] Planner Testemale: and processing, which is defined as screening and sorting, but not crushing or washing.

[1:38:57] Planner Testemale: All of the buildings and structures permitted in the TUP are not permanently sited and are easily removed.

[1:39:04] Planner Testemale: I note that there is a 30 meter buffer strip between the TUP use area and the rural property as shown on the site plan.

[1:39:13] Planner Testemale: And that is in order to limit potential noise, dust and visual impacts to the neighbors.

[1:39:19] Planner Testemale: This is the fourth application that has been received regarding this use.

[1:39:25] Planner Testemale: use and it was first legalized in 2016 by TUP. That was issued, sorry, renewed in 2018 and new

[1:39:35] Planner Testemale: application was made in 2021. So as a renewal, there can be no changes made to the permit with

[1:39:43] Planner Testemale: the exception of the length of the period that is issued for. And if approved a new application

[1:39:50] Planner Testemale: application or a resuming application would be necessary upon expiry.

[1:39:59] Planner Testemale: Staff contacted the applicant to verify that the uses remain unchanged and that conditions

[1:40:04] Planner Testemale: of the permit have been met or adhered to and that was confirmed and staff did conduct

[1:40:11] Planner Testemale: a site visit this fall and found no compliance violations or other issues.

[1:40:15] Planner Testemale: As a renewal, there is no notification required and as the permit conditions will remain unchanged from the original.

[1:40:24] Planner Testemale: So staff's recommendation is to approve the renewal for a period of three years.

[1:40:30] Planner Testemale: The rationale is that the uses are necessary and reasonable for the operation of the driftwood.

[1:40:36] Planner Testemale: There's been no change since 2016.

[1:40:39] Planner Testemale: The applicant has complied with the conditions of the TUP since that time, with only one minor infraction in 2021 that was rectified pretty quickly.

[1:40:50] Planner Testemale: There have been no reported adverse effects on neighboring properties or complaints, and the renewal would be valid for three years, upon which time an application for a new TUP or rezoning would be required to continue the use.

[1:41:06] Planner Testemale: Again, there's alternatives provided on the last page of the staff report.

[1:41:12] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:41:13] Voice 19: Is the applicant amongst us?

[1:41:14] Voice 19: Oh, there you are.

[1:41:15] Voice 19: Perfect.

[1:41:16] Voice 19: So, trustees, any questions for the applicant or the planner?

[1:41:20] Voice 19: I

[1:41:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): have a question for Dorothy.

[1:41:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): Dorothy, so this is for the landscaping for, like, because there's screening, right, that's

[1:41:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): still needed and other landscaping across the front of the driftwood.

[1:41:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm just

[1:41:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): wondering what's the timeline for all the finishing of that, or should this

[1:41:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): be part of the actual zoning yeah um

[1:41:38] Voice 13: i think the timeline is we'd like to try and get it finished

[1:41:42] Voice 13: as quickly as possible staffing is always trying to get the work done uh one of the reasons is i

[1:41:48] Voice 13: believe we have a um a thousand dollar um bond in place right um to make sure it's dying so right

[1:41:59] Voice 13: It's an obvious thing that we're going to talk about very quickly.

[1:42:04] Voice 13: Yeah, I mean, it really is for the landscaping and construction materials.

[1:42:08] Voice 13: I mean, we still have, on our development plan, five buildings to go up.

[1:42:13] Voice 13: And so we have a lot of material and stuff for those stored there.

[1:42:17] Voice 13: But, you know, just keeping Driftwood in its pristine, I think, state takes a lot of work and effort and material.

[1:42:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): I have no problems with this permit just so you know I regularly like probably twice a

[1:42:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): year get some notice about like is the screening going to go up in front where the parking

[1:42:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): lot the

[1:42:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): gravel parking lot is by the gas station next to our station so that's the only question

[1:42:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): that I

[1:42:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): have so if

[1:42:42] Voice 5: that was higher on your parking list well

[1:42:44] Voice 13: the gravel parking lot that

[1:42:46] Voice 13: relates back to building five six and seven yeah we've certainly tied it up a lot of the

[1:42:52] Voice 13: front area in richmond um it's it's in the past year it's quite a lot of work has been done there

[1:43:00] Voice 13: yeah yeah

[1:43:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): no just so you know all right i don't have any concerns so

[1:43:05] Voice 19: in motion i can go ahead

[1:43:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): that the north pender island local trust committee approved the issuance and

[1:43:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): of renewal temporary use permit wow p l t u p 202 40261 murdoch for a period of three years

[1:43:23] Voice 19: Any further discussion?

[1:43:25] Voice 19: All questions, all in favor?

[1:43:27] Voice 19: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:43:30] Voice 31: Thank you.

[1:43:30] Voice 19: All right.

[1:43:32] Voice 19: Next up, we have 14.3, which is NPPL-DVP-20240-225-GRANT.

[1:43:41] Voice 19: Back to you, Phil.

[1:43:43] Planner Testemale: Thanks, Chair.

[1:43:44] Planner Testemale: So this is for Brendan Grant, and it's for 5909 Pirates Road.

[1:43:49] Planner Testemale: The application under consideration is for a development variance permit.

[1:43:53] Planner Testemale: for the height of a proposed accessory building which is a garage on the subject property the

[1:43:59] Planner Testemale: proposed building is actually a replacement for a prefabricated metal building that was destroyed by

[1:44:04] Planner Testemale: a fire recently it would have the same floor area as the previous one but it would have an

[1:44:09] Planner Testemale: increased height and the specific variance is to subsection 3.4 bracket 3 which limits the height

[1:44:18] Planner Testemale: of accessory buildings to 4.6 meters and that would be increased to six meters so the previous

[1:44:24] Planner Testemale: building was granted a height variance in 2018 and the new building is the same model and footprint

[1:44:30] Planner Testemale: dimensions as the previous however it would be um six meters versus the previous 5.6 meters

[1:44:36] Planner Testemale: and on feet that's 19.7 feet versus 18.4 feet uh and the rationale or the backstory is the

[1:44:45] Planner Testemale: So the building was ordered by the actual applicant and it was ordered as the same model from the manufacturer and it has been delivered.

[1:44:53] Planner Testemale: And it was only when the supplied plans, which come as a kit, were submitted to the CRD building inspection for their building permit that it was identified that the height and actually the pitch of the roof of this model was altered by the manufacturer in the last few years.

[1:45:11] Planner Testemale: So this building is what's known as a Quonset design, which I think we're pretty much all familiar with.

[1:45:17] Planner Testemale: And it's not feasible or practical to be altered in order to reduce the height.

[1:45:23] Planner Testemale: And there was some question with one of the submissions or one of the correspondence received about the condition of the foundation given the fire.

[1:45:35] Planner Testemale: and the CRD building inspector has confirmed that he has made an inspection

[1:45:40] Planner Testemale: and has stated that it's acceptable for reuse.

[1:45:44] Planner Testemale: The proposed use of the building would remain unchanged,

[1:45:47] Planner Testemale: and that's for the storage of vehicles and equipment associated with the residential

[1:45:51] Planner Testemale: and bed-and-breakfast operation on the property.

[1:45:54] Planner Testemale: And in terms of the impacts on neighboring properties,

[1:45:57] Planner Testemale: that would not be substantively altered from the previous building.

[1:46:02] Planner Testemale: notices were circulated to the surrounding property owners and residents and at this time staff received or sorry at the time of writing staff received two submissions one letter expresses objections from the neighbor that is actually two properties to the east and the other one states no objection but did express some concerns about lighting and sorry one other aspect which the

[1:46:31] Planner Testemale: the applicant maybe could speak to which would not be conditions of this permit but I think those

[1:46:37] Planner Testemale: have been passed on to the applicant nonetheless or sorry the owner so staff's recommendation on

[1:46:42] Planner Testemale: page one is that the LTC approve issuance of the DVP and the rationale is that the variance is

[1:46:49] Planner Testemale: reasonable it is minor in nature and replaces a previous building of the same design and appearance

[1:46:54] Planner Testemale: but with an increased height impacts on the neighboring properties from approval would be

[1:46:59] Planner Testemale: small the applicant has limited options given that the building is prefabricated system and

[1:47:05] Planner Testemale: cannot be adapted the proposed variances do not challenge the intent of the regulation

[1:47:10] Planner Testemale: and there have been two responses to the notification one balanced and sorry balanced

[1:47:16] Planner Testemale: one in favor and one against so there are alternatives listed at the end of the report

[1:47:22] Planner Testemale: and that's my report

[1:47:23] Voice 19: thank you and i hope the applicants has joined us online so

[1:47:27] Planner Testemale: and

[1:47:27] Voice 19: we also have other applicants in the room so so mr grant's online mr

[1:47:35] Planner Testemale: grant is online yeah

[1:47:36] Voice 19: yeah

[1:47:37] Voice 13: he's in the uh he's he's a builder yes yeah

[1:47:41] Voice 19: but he he in fact is the applicant for the process

[1:47:44] Voice 19: so you're the landowners uh mr grant is the contractor slash applicant so we have both

[1:47:50] Voice 19: parties in the room so um so trustees questions for the property owners the applicant or the

[1:47:56] Voice 19: planner i

[1:47:58] Voice 23: didn't really have any i i understand the understand the need for it i mean i don't

[1:48:07] Voice 23: know if it's a variance on a variance kind of isn't great you know when you've already given

[1:48:15] Voice 23: another variance for a height um for the height of a building and then to give a variance on replacing

[1:48:26] Voice 23: It's minimal in what the height is and the objection to the letter of objection to the

[1:48:34] Voice 23: building is not actually to the height of the building, it's to the fact that the building

[1:48:39] Voice 23: is there at all.

[1:48:41] Voice 23: And so I don't know if that has any bearing on it being brought forward, if we're considering

[1:48:51] Voice 23: considering a variance based on the height versus the negative being that the building

[1:48:59] Voice 23: even exists.

[1:49:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, Phil, what is the accessory building height? Is it 14 or 15 feet?

[1:49:08] Planner Testemale: It's 4.6 meters, which is 15 feet.

[1:49:14] Voice 23: This is 18 inches higher than it was already, very true.

[1:49:21] Planner Testemale: Yeah, this one is 19.7 feet or six.

[1:49:25] Voice 23: Andy has left but he was the old person that had written the other letter yeah

[1:49:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): I went and drove by

[1:49:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): it this morning just to have a look at it yeah so one of the problems that we have with a lot

[1:49:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): of different things in the trust right now is that form and function of buildings is very

[1:49:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): grossly regulated by the trust like we can't say don't put up a this type of building put

[1:49:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): put up something pretty like we can't do that like that's not a thing that we control um which is

[1:49:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): very frustrating i'm sure for neighbors this building is very close to the road and the

[1:50:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): clearing has like made it i don't know if it was before maybe the landowners or the builder could

[1:50:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): speak to that but it's like really like you have to drive right by for the properties beyond it

[1:50:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): so um i understand the dilemma that you're in with the purchase of the thing i also know that

[1:50:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is probably given that it's not the same exact thing there's a returnable like option and

[1:50:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): build something different so i just want to like throw that out there as an option i will not look

[1:50:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): for this chair

[1:50:33] Planner Testemale: mod can i just make a just can i just respond to that quickly just just to know

[1:50:38] Planner Testemale: that this isn't a public road that this is beside it's actually a shared driveway by easement so

[1:50:44] Planner Testemale: So that's a bit of a different scenario, which is to say, if this was, um, if there was no

[1:50:53] Planner Testemale: public easement roadway through there, this would probably not be visible to the neighbors

[1:50:57] Planner Testemale: or to the road public roadway, which is below.

[1:51:00] Planner Testemale: So that

[1:51:02] Voice 23: was, yeah, that was sort of my, um, my take on it, uh, was to, to approve, uh,

[1:51:11] Voice 23: based on where it was and the effect, the overall effect.

[1:51:15] Voice 23: So, we'll be opposed.

[1:51:24] Voice 19: Oh, right, so either the landowners or the contractor

[1:51:33] Voice 19: would wish to speak anything about it, or?

[1:51:39] Voice 11: Just to be clear,

[1:51:40] Voice 11: this is not a returnable product.

[1:51:43] Voice 11: It's shipped out from Ontario,

[1:51:45] Voice 11: and it's, unfortunately, it's not a returnable.

[1:51:48] Voice 11: It's not something they would consider

[1:51:50] Voice 11: as a returnable issue.

[1:51:59] Voice 8: Do you want to give me a rationale for how you're going to vote?

[1:52:01] Voice 23: Yeah.

[1:52:03] Voice 8: This

[1:52:04] Voice 19: is just becoming the Dave Macho.

[1:52:07] Voice 19: Well, traditionally speaking, when two trustees are at different points.

[1:52:16] Voice 19: So the balancer for me is the staff report.

[1:52:23] Voice 19: I have an opinion on one side, I have an opinion on the other side.

[1:52:27] Voice 19: so if if an applicant um has put forward something and the staff report supports it

[1:52:35] Voice 19: i tend to wait inside of the staff report as balancing the two opinions so

[1:52:43] Voice 19: that's where i'm lying right now um but part of my rationale would be is that there was an

[1:52:51] Voice 19: existing building basically the same form of function um there's an 18-inch difference on

[1:52:57] Voice 19: a Quonset hat so the actual massing difference is virtually nothing so if it was previously approved

[1:53:04] Voice 19: and previously appropriate it's kind of the same things replacing the same thing with a very very

[1:53:11] Voice 19: minor exception so I'm comfortable being in favor of it

[1:53:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah I guess my discomfort on this is it's

[1:53:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know the variance that was given prior to anything I had to do if it's three and a half

[1:53:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): meters over our accessory building standard i don't know what the like or not meters three

[1:53:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): and a half feet over our existing you know roughly um and i don't understand why that was given and

[1:53:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): we've had accessory building issues across other places in the island so to be consistent with

[1:53:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): those i'm not going to go ahead and i know that this i don't want to hear like about the razor

[1:53:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): point right now because i understand that being problematic on this so yeah yeah motion

[1:53:56] Voice 23: that the north bend around the local trust committee approved issuance of development

[1:53:59] Voice 23: variance permit and l i'm sorry p l v p 2024 0-2-2-5 grant

[1:54:12] Voice 20: I

[1:54:13] Voice 19: will second the motion for discussion and further discussion on the point all right

[1:54:18] Voice 19: so all in favor and opposed and you like your report noted so Lisa you would record uh trustee

[1:54:27] Voice 19: Morrison's vote in opposition thank you all right so now we're going to pop forward um

[1:54:37] Voice 19: um to what we put into um which is the um uh natural area protection tax exemption

[1:54:44] Voice 19: program application um which is on page 227 of the package

[1:54:49] Voice 5: 277.

[1:54:56] Voice 31: all right

[1:55:00] Voice 20: is

[1:55:01] Voice 19: that planner smith

[1:55:07] Voice 31: So here you have just for information a summary

[1:55:14] Voice 10: of an application at 3330 Port Washington

[1:55:19] Voice 10: Road for a 0.6 hectare portion of the lot to be established as a NAPTEP covenant.

[1:55:27] Voice 10: There's a map of this specific site but I assume it's the dot portion that is within

[1:55:31] Voice 10: the uh within the uh already uh established vp area on the top of that law interesting

[1:55:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i just want us to go ahead and improve it and like understand what it is in the context

[1:55:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): before we get into that awareness just so

[1:56:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we're clear so does anybody want to share about

[1:56:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): that laptop or like sharing more information about it or we're just going to say it's there

[1:56:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay you

[1:56:15] Voice 8: have specific questions you have stuff in there who tells it yeah

[1:56:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): so and the conservancy

[1:56:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): brought this up in town hall but just the idea that there is like a move to try and create

[1:56:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): that like larger area so we need to be aware of that as we think about it um so i just want that

[1:56:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): in consideration with the next permit like as we think about the next permit uh our every zoning

[1:56:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): i want us to keep this in mind that there is a concerted effort by multiple people across the

[1:56:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): community to try and get a cohesive um area at the top of that ridge and what are they recalling

[1:56:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): mount elizabeth okay so just to be very very clear that is not one property or two property

[1:56:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): or three it's like an effort in community to create a zone across that area so just to be

[1:57:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): clear

[1:57:05] Voice 8: it's a very special place okay

[1:57:09] Voice 19: all right so we'll proceed on to 14.4 which is npplr220240110

[1:57:19] Voice 19: one oh we gotta get

[1:57:20] Voice 19: better mr begum uh we have staff report um very straightforward

[1:57:29] Voice 19: um and it's from the southern team it's not even from a specific planner so we look at that

[1:57:33] Voice 19: we have multiple energies um so just to be clear is is that this is laying out the road forward

[1:57:40] Voice 19: this is not a decision it's

[1:57:42] Voice 10: a preliminary report that brings forward the application

[1:57:47] Voice 10: for Braden, who is in the audience here,

[1:57:49] Voice 10: well aware of the application, well aware of the current

[1:57:53] Voice 10: land use, the history of the land use, the temporary use

[1:57:57] Voice 10: permits that have been taken there since 2011,

[1:58:03] Voice 10: the work you did

[1:58:05] Voice 10: as part of your, mostly in the previous term, but at the

[1:58:10] Voice 10: end of this term, or start of this term as well, with your land use bylaw

[1:58:14] Voice 10: review and considering these lands, understanding that the TUP is currently expired, that BRAGE

[1:58:21] Voice 10: is seeking the ability to continue operations while you consider the resulting application

[1:58:29] Voice 10: under your standing resolution policy which is included in the second recommendation.

[1:58:37] Voice 10: It is a preliminary report which is just that, it's bringing the information that the applicant

[1:58:44] Voice 10: has submitted to the local trust committee to seek direction to either you could decide to

[1:58:51] Voice 10: move forward at this time or you can decide to not move forward at all with the application

[1:58:56] Voice 10: if you do decide to move forward then it's pretty typical at this state with every rezoning

[1:59:01] Voice 10: application that we seek direction to draft a bylaw that doesn't mean anything other than you

[1:59:07] Voice 10: would have a draft bylaw to use for community consultation engagement it wouldn't signal any

[1:59:13] Voice 10: approval or willingness to approve that bylaw. It's a tool to further engage the

[1:59:19] Voice 10: community. The proposal is laid out. He's got a site plan with some structure

[1:59:28] Voice 10: development there. You're familiar with the lot, the L shape of it, with the top

[1:59:36] Voice 10: portion being designated as rural in your official community plan and the

[1:59:41] Voice 10: bottom portion being designated as industrial in your official community plan which means that

[1:59:47] Voice 10: my understanding is that at least since the the ocp of the 90s

[1:59:52] Voice 10: that this area has been designated for uh uh potential future industrial use

[2:00:00] Voice 10: Many of the other adjoining properties reflect that industrial use designation, as they have now received zoning.

[2:00:07] Voice 10: In this case, the zoning on the property is rural throughout the whole property, and so that's why the applicant is here seeking rezoning for the proposed use.

[2:00:17] Voice 10: I think the LTC would need to turn their mind to two decisions with respect to that.

[2:00:23] Voice 10: one with respect to that designation of industrial is this an appropriate still

[2:00:30] Voice 10: an appropriate and a community supported area for industrial use if the answer to

[2:00:36] Voice 10: that question is yes then is the applicants proposal for the use on the

[2:00:41] Voice 10: land-based acceptable and and supportable by the trustees and the

[2:00:47] Voice 10: community so two questions there just because it's designated doesn't mean

[2:00:52] Voice 10: that you have to change your zoning but he's listed a number of uses rather than go through

[2:01:06] Voice 10: all this i think i'll just put it back to the trustees at this point and braden to uh

[2:01:11] Voice 10: to discuss to discuss

[2:01:13] Voice 10: i'm very familiar with all of this i know you've been working behind

[2:01:17] Voice 10: the scenes to understand all of this and i know that there's been some concerns raised in the

[2:01:22] Voice 10: the community. I admit, I don't get everything right in my life, including everything in these

[2:01:29] Voice 10: preliminary staff reports. So it is meant to be that to bring information forward and to clarify

[2:01:34] Voice 10: information and to identify areas where more information might be needed to help you support

[2:01:40] Voice 10: your decision. So I think I will put that back to you, Chair, for further discussion.

[2:01:48] Voice 10: Thank you, Councillor Smith.

[2:01:49] Voice 5: Councillor Porter, can I clarify, please, because it sounded like you presented that there's two options.

[2:01:54] Voice 5: They either move forward with it or not, but I believe the staff report makes clear that an option available to you is to seek more information simply.

[2:02:03] Voice 19: Is that correct?

[2:02:04] Voice 19: That's all the staff report. Thank you very much.

[2:02:06] Voice 19: So, the applicants before us, trustees, questions for the plan or the applicant?

[2:02:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): I have a bunch of questions, but maybe just to start with the conversation of right.

[2:02:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): like sorry um part of the last term was that land use bylaw review and this area was considered in

[2:02:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): that um at different points not because i agree with it to be very very clear about that but and

[2:02:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): i've talked to braden about this like it's because i um want the community input about like

[2:02:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): understanding what options we have across the community there was a pretty resounding

[2:02:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation at that point to remove the industrial conversation with the exception of

[2:02:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): waste management from the land use bylaw last time because there wasn't agreement in the community

[2:02:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): about this area so here we are again um i am all for business so first of all just be we know

[2:03:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): right so like we want to maintain a functional ecosystem of social and ecological health in

[2:03:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): these islands it has been a bit of a conversation in community about heavy industry heavier

[2:03:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): industry so this the concrete plant um different aspects of gravel road like all of that kind of

[2:03:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): stuff is in conversation so where we put that on this island is the conversation right um

[2:03:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): i know from conversations with many different community members that there is an effort to

[2:03:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): find an alternative space that is reasonable and usable for that work i am loath to go all full

[2:03:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): force into the bylaw like move until we know that those options are exhausted um and yet i don't

[2:03:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to like can all this work right so what i would prefer to do in this situation is defer

[2:04:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): the first motion that the staff have recommended for going forward with any particular bylaw

[2:04:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): creation, but approve the second motion, which is to hold off on any enforcement issues because

[2:04:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): Braden is currently not under permit. So we're having an issue right now. That's why he's choosing

[2:04:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): the bylaw route. It's because he's trying to come into compliance. And I understand that. And I

[2:04:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't necessarily want to force them into the TEPs. He had a TEP for multiple years. We're trying

[2:04:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): and sort out the problem so i would rather hold off on enforcement right now he's actually been

[2:04:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): very compliant with his tps in the past he has some goodwill in that front um so hold off on

[2:04:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): enforcement but delay until we just for another month or two or like whatever we see as this sort

[2:04:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): of other options pan out i do understand as was brought up earlier there are like the gulf

[2:04:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): excavating site has baggage um like you know i get it so i would just like to know from my

[2:04:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): perspective that those other options are completely exhausted like they're yes or no absolutely

[2:05:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): before we go through all the work of creating a bylaw because it's a it's a lot of work and so

[2:05:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): and frankly we have resource conflicts inside the trust about where we put our apples in terms

[2:05:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): of work okay so um i would like to delay the creation of new bylaws right now but go ahead

[2:05:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): head with the um deferral of enforcement on the site for me can

[2:05:25] Voice 25: we talk about the other side

[2:05:26] Voice 25: potentials

[2:05:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): we could potentially do that i don't know if that's productive in this meeting because

[2:05:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): i can't recommend i can't say go and do this i i don't have that authority you

[2:05:36] Voice 25: know but i think

[2:05:37] Voice 25: you know with all due respect to the you know the suggestions of moving you know that needs to be

[2:05:41] Voice 25: stated in the record that those aren't available and i they're not going to be available for you

[2:05:46] Voice 25: know some time um you know the delays on the dip project where all that rock stored the trail

[2:05:51] Voice 25: project it's all conjunct you know in conjunction together i don't think it's fair and reasonable

[2:05:57] Voice 25: to keep you know push this down the road again we've operated under tp for 11 plus years before

[2:06:04] Voice 25: that the waste transfer station was at that location it's it's it's been proven that you

[2:06:09] Voice 25: know that it works yeah i agree it's small it's it's it's small to me but you know are we going

[2:06:14] Voice 25: going to push this down the road for two more years three more years you know that allen property has

[2:06:20] Voice 25: you know yes some other issues that would need to be worked around that's not even to say that

[2:06:27] Voice 25: they want to rent that piece properly right um you know and there's the family dynamics change

[2:06:32] Voice 25: there as well so i appreciate everybody saying yeah let's let's let's move to this other location

[2:06:40] Voice 25: as far as i'm concerned right now at this stage in the game that's not viable

[2:06:43] Voice 25: and i don't think it's reasonable to keep saying that because i you know the garbage

[2:06:48] Voice 25: you guys not you guys but the trust pushed for the garbage go there for years 10 years probably

[2:06:53] Voice 25: or more and that that wasn't a viable option so why are we reverting back into that with all the

[2:07:00] Voice 25: respect and i understand and i appreciate what what everybody's saying but it's the reality of

[2:07:05] Voice 25: the equation at this point totally

[2:07:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): respect that and it's very very difficult to remove industrial

[2:07:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): zoning when it's fully applied so i don't want to put you down a road where the community gets

[2:07:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): in an uproar and is all over you about the industrial i don't want to put you in that

[2:07:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): position right okay so i understand that it feels like it's constantly being pushed down

[2:07:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm trying to find the least disruptive for you right now in this situation.

[2:07:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I totally know that also security about your work site is helpful,

[2:07:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): but an industrial site is a major.

[2:07:42] Voice 25: So I will, you know, another note I think is important.

[2:07:46] Voice 25: Okay, great.

[2:07:47] Voice 25: Five years down the road, we find this other golden location.

[2:07:50] Voice 25: Okay, great.

[2:07:51] Voice 25: We can move there.

[2:07:51] Voice 25: Great.

[2:07:51] Voice 25: What does that do for all of our other contractors that are, you know,

[2:07:56] Voice 25: go to the baseball park, you know,

[2:07:58] Voice 25: And look at how many trucks are parked there overnight.

[2:08:00] Voice 25: Look at how many commercial vehicles are parked on the side of the road.

[2:08:05] Voice 25: There's a big list of space of operators that have nowhere to park legally.

[2:08:11] Voice 25: And that's where I see, okay, looking down the road in the future,

[2:08:15] Voice 25: five years, we would have an opportunity to rent that somewhere.

[2:08:20] Voice 25: The site's set up.

[2:08:21] Voice 25: The screening's been in place for 20 years now.

[2:08:25] Voice 25: There's power.

[2:08:26] Voice 25: It's set up.

[2:08:27] Voice 25: so you know why erase that you know maybe you know yeah you know i'm a big loud loud guy on

[2:08:33] Voice 25: the block but you know you know why can't somebody else move into there why can't uh

[2:08:37] Voice 25: whatever garden supply store or i don't know a shop or you know there's been lots of interest

[2:08:43] Voice 25: in that property over the years when my grandfather was here of community members actually you know

[2:08:49] Voice 25: wanting to buy that property or rent that property to set up a shop for you know building modular

[2:08:55] Voice 25: other homes and stuff like that so you know that's a nice flat piece of property yes it's small

[2:09:01] Voice 25: but i think the community is thinking a longer term solution as to why that property kind of

[2:09:07] Voice 25: benefits down the road yeah

[2:09:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): and maybe just one last point about that because i actually i'm not

[2:09:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): completely against it as industrial property that was identified in the ocp as potential

[2:09:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): industrial and just to be clear that designation was potential industrial i understand the other

[2:09:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): it um so i'm not against that it's about which uses we choose from the industrial to be able to

[2:09:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): apply to that property and so i mean that that's the decision right now and i i really need us all

[2:09:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): three of us to weigh in on this clearly because like going down the bottle up today as opposed

[2:09:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): to in january and i don't want to kick this down the road five years okay i'm not talking about

[2:09:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): that and so i'd like it done before this term is over so but um you know kicking it to january

[2:09:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): worry to try and just like feel that we really have exhausted other options and that this is

[2:09:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know where we're going with this um before we instigate the bylaw process i mean and maybe

[2:10:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's also helpful to hear from the staff of how much work is it from now to like if we pass a

[2:10:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): one or whatever it is here um if we pass one how much work is that because what i'm wanting to

[2:10:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): avoid and this is just the like painfully frustrated like fiscal issue for me is i don't

[2:10:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to go down the path of a bylaw move there's a different site that's an option because i don't

[2:10:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to spend all sorts of staff time money in one

[2:10:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): direction if we're going to be in a different

[2:10:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): direction i just want to be sure that we're not because i got to tell you there's a lot of money

[2:10:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): that goes all sorts of places in the trust and i want to avoid that so just so comments from you

[2:10:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think

[2:10:46] Voice 23: firstly, there's some people that have put a terrible amount of work into going out personally and trying to identify where a better site could be.

[2:11:01] Voice 23: And that is something that I hadn't experienced so far in this process to see community actually getting involved in trying to direct something.

[2:11:10] Voice 23: something and so i'm i'm grateful to those people spending their personal time to go and do that

[2:11:15] Voice 23: um it's a super tough decision uh with a lot of opinions in in the community and and i think

[2:11:24] Voice 23: you know we we owe it to have the conversation because it's a bigger conversation unfortunately

[2:11:31] Voice 23: than just reading um like like you said you know like a good friend of mine probably watch a

[2:11:39] Voice 23: football game a week with him and drive through through magic lake and see you know semi-trailer

[2:11:47] Voice 23: or flatbeds parked on the side of the road at magic at magic lake at night wood chipping trucks

[2:11:53] Voice 23: people don't have anywhere to do this on pender and it's maybe been

[2:11:58] Voice 23: uh the the issue with a local government that can't hold land you know we don't have any sort

[2:12:09] Voice 23: or quote-unquote municipal land to have a works yard or do any of that stuff.

[2:12:15] Voice 23: And so the goal, I think, is to try to give some permanency to Braden for his operation moving forward

[2:12:26] Voice 23: and not affect his ability to employ big money on the island.

[2:12:31] Voice 23: At the same time, trying to address a larger issue that the island is having with growth and build-out

[2:12:38] Voice 23: and where that appropriately goes unfortunately we're at sort of on the graces of other people

[2:12:47] Voice 23: who own land to agree to have that work for our community and it won't and my understanding and

[2:12:59] Voice 23: digging into it is that it won't won't be able to solve itself in the next three years

[2:13:03] Voice 23: like that just isn't it's not a it's not an agreement that we're going to be able to have

[2:13:11] Voice 23: come january that there is the next best place to go because it will be three years before

[2:13:20] Voice 23: the potential for that to be you know the next big diggum site or whatever would even

[2:13:27] Voice 23: be available so that's

[2:13:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): the first i heard about timeline so i need to understand that a little

[2:13:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): bit well

[2:13:34] Voice 23: there's basically until the until the dip construction and the trail is done

[2:13:40] Voice 23: uh there's an agreement with modi i think it is yeah the ministry of transportation has an

[2:13:45] Voice 23: agreement for the use of that land until those two projects are done and now with the dip being

[2:13:51] Voice 23: delayed um the completion of the dip being delayed and the use of the materials there and then

[2:14:00] Voice 23: the leftover materials being available for the trail that's a realistic timeline of what we're

[2:14:07] Voice 23: looking at for being able to access that barring any you know really an environmental assessment

[2:14:16] Voice 23: to create a baseline to where that property starts so yeah

[2:14:22] Voice 25: it's just not as turnkey as

[2:14:23] Voice 25: everybody you know the suggestions are it's you know they're and i don't know that the other

[2:14:28] Voice 25: feedback maybe there's another

[2:14:29] Voice 25: site that i'm not aware of that people are suggesting but

[2:14:32] Voice 11: But

[2:14:33] Voice 25: really, there's not.

[2:14:36] Voice 25: Yeah, exactly.

[2:14:38] Voice 25: And that is the only site on the Petra Island that is zoned industrial.

[2:14:43] Voice 25: There's no other sites, unless I'm wrong.

[2:14:47] Voice 25: Right?

[2:14:48] Voice 25: There's other.

[2:14:49] Voice 25: They've all been site-specific.

[2:14:52] Voice 25: But nothing specific

[2:14:53] Voice 25: to an excavation contractor or a...

[2:14:57] Voice 10: I think there's been no area where then industrial activity has come to locate itself.

[2:15:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's

[2:15:05] Voice 10: always been driven by what's happening on the land base that triggers a site specific.

[2:15:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): Can I ask a clarification on the zoning issue, too?

[2:15:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like, if we, and this is so far forward still, but if it was to be rezoned,

[2:15:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I'm sorry, the designated industrial issue in the OCP confuses me a little bit.

[2:15:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): So if this was to be site-specific zoned for the uses that are set out in this, the potential

[2:15:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): uses that are set out, can the LTC pull back specific uses if another site becomes available?

[2:15:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): Or is that now something the LTC can't do because it's zoned?

[2:15:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): down

[2:15:50] Voice 8: zone you could

[2:15:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): um because like one of the things that i think is interesting in this space

[2:15:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): is like from the conversation that you just i had about the parking of other vehicles that site is

[2:16:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): probably not a big conflict for the parking of a bunch of other vehicles it's the more sort of

[2:16:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): constant operation issue that's the conflict in that in that port wash area and so i mean

[2:16:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know i i would vote right now for at least until january deferment but go ahead and approve

[2:16:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): the non-advancement of the enforcement if you want to like argue differently right now that's fine

[2:16:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): um we can just vote on it but um i would like to wait at least until january um to go forward with

[2:16:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): the bylaw advancement because it's wrapped up for me in a bunch of like governance like annoyance

[2:16:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the trust so and not the planners just to be clear the planners are doing a great job

[2:16:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's just I have had for six years a budgetary problem with the way the trust spends money and

[2:16:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): deals with their issues and it's your tax dollars so I just I just feel the need to like really

[2:17:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): understand this issue a little bit better about budget I just don't really clearly understand that

[2:17:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i would go

[2:17:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): in what you're talking about given all the things and how permanent industrial zoning

[2:17:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): becomes i would prefer to just have a tup but that's not what you would apply for and i know

[2:17:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): we discussed that

[2:17:21] Voice 25: well it's clicking but it's also playing your guys by how many times you're

[2:17:25] Voice 25: going to apply for tup right so it says you're allowed to apply twice and then you move forward

[2:17:31] Voice 25: with reason right so

[2:17:31] Voice 25: i was issued i guess three so that was the direction from staff is to apply

[2:17:36] Voice 25: by rezoning right so right um it's right with what i was saying uh so and

[2:17:44] Voice 19: i think to be fair

[2:17:45] Voice 19: i think that was the instruction of this trust this body because we we have spoken i think when

[2:17:51] Voice 19: we were doing the values is saying to get your application in for yeah for

[2:17:56] Voice 19: rezoning so yeah i

[2:17:57] Voice 20: think

[2:17:57] Voice 19: you're honorably following our direction trying to

[2:18:00] Voice 19: spend financial time

[2:18:01] Voice 25: okay i'll try to

[2:18:09] Voice 25: my my impression of this meeting is for you guys to provide direction as to where you would like

[2:18:15] Voice 25: me to move forward with we received some letters from the conservancy group a neighbor um which i

[2:18:22] Voice 25: don't know if it was posted or not my response to some of those concerns but you know listening to

[2:18:28] Voice 25: one of the neighbors around the noise and the work and you know i've tried to um react to those

[2:18:35] Voice 25: those concerns with that TUV, the building of the shop, the concerns around well water,

[2:18:42] Voice 25: rain catchment, stormwater collection, a washing pad for vehicles, like these are

[2:18:49] Voice 25: direct concerns that I've received from the neighbor that I'm trying to address. So yeah,

[2:18:54] Voice 25: it's a busy site, but I'm, you know, I'm trying to do my best. And that's what I, you know,

[2:18:58] Voice 25: we had conversations about, okay, well, like, if the wash pad needs to get removed, because we're

[2:19:03] Voice 25: worried about washing and we're worried about water consumptions the trucks go to town we

[2:19:07] Voice 25: multiple times a week they can wash it down right so you know um those are the kind of things that

[2:19:13] Voice 25: i wanted to receive feedback during this meeting is for you guys i think the term is in terms of

[2:19:17] Voice 25: reference to move forward with and how the professional opinion by a hydrogeologist if

[2:19:24] Voice 25: required a civil engineer that that's kind of the direction i want to at least start the

[2:19:28] Voice 25: conversation yeah it's going to be uh you know it's going to cost me money to move forward with

[2:19:33] Voice 25: that but wait until january then then what we're going to be in the same boat um that's just fine

[2:19:40] Voice 25: this might not so and and you know i do want to make it clear that i am happy to to go down that

[2:19:45] Voice 25: road and spend that money if required and you know whatever and look at that in the community i i

[2:19:51] Voice 25: totally agree but at this stage it's where i am and it's what's been designated and what's

[2:19:57] Voice 25: operated there for a long long time so that's my question

[2:20:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm reluctant to have you spend that

[2:20:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): money until like i feel committed to that space because i want to be able to like if you apply

[2:20:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): for rezoning i want to be able to vote yes for the

[2:20:10] Voice 14: result right but i

[2:20:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't know yet just just

[2:20:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): one time so i just don't know yet if i can feel that like given all the other options and the

[2:20:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): resistance like in different ways i you have actually been very good about complying with

[2:20:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): your tup so this is not about you right you

[2:20:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): have been very very good about complying oh my god if

[2:20:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): if everybody could screen like you, like you've been good about all of that.

[2:20:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. So it's not about you. And I need you to hear that. It's,

[2:20:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's about,

[2:20:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): is that the right site for a heavier industrial activity in this community?

[2:20:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): Right.

[2:20:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I don't want you to spend a bunch of money on other studies,

[2:20:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is going to instigate.

[2:20:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's what's going to happen if we instigate this until like, I definitely,

[2:20:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): we've resolved some of these other issues a little bit so that you don't go

[2:20:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): down a pathway where there is a bunch of money committed to the site.

[2:21:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then it's harder to say no and it's harder like there's pressure I just I want us to be a

[2:21:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): little bit just paced and just and I know it must seem incredibly frustrating from your perspective

[2:21:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): on that but I also just I want us to be in this room with everybody who's in this room saying yes

[2:21:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's the right spot and let's do it okay and like here's the conditions that we need to meet

[2:21:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): on that I agree with you there probably is a few conditions that are currently in it that we if it

[2:21:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): stays on that site we probably have to change them like given some of the concerns in that area

[2:21:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): um i also want to be very clear that there is another site where there's industrial activity

[2:21:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): that i don't see permit okay i don't see why there are septic trucks parked on port wash road

[2:21:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): without an industrial permit so i need that issue dealt with too because the hypocrisy is

[2:21:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the space okay so i just need those two issues dealt with together if that's gonna like

[2:21:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): like at least in parallel would be nice so that we know that we're in

[2:22:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): community with each other. We live here.

[2:22:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't currently because of my life right now, but like,

[2:22:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would be nice if we were just in community about such an industrial space.

[2:22:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. And not in conflict.

[2:22:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): So let's work together a little bit more to try and figure out if that's the

[2:22:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): site, because we can't get other landowners to like figure it out,

[2:22:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): or it's not reasonable or whatever.

[2:22:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): Then like let's commit to making sure what that space needs to be.

[2:22:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): if that's what has to go forward so okay i think i'm talking too much sorry i am not for a and i

[2:22:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): am for me today okay

[2:22:34] Voice 19: so um where are you on the ledger right now well i i mean i

[2:22:53] Voice 23: don't i don't

[2:22:54] Voice 23: think that we're in a position to um to grant a pilot or to change the pilot right now and to um

[2:23:09] Voice 23: but i also don't feel like january is going to change a whole a whole lot but i've also

[2:23:17] Voice 23: had a lot of communication with people on the island in different you know i've had a chance

[2:23:24] Voice 23: to sit down with sarah and talk to sarah and i've had a chance to sit down talk to braden and met

[2:23:29] Voice 23: met with with lisa who has done a lot of a lot of work um and and so i guess i i feel a little more

[2:23:41] Voice 23: confident that we're going to have to do this work to try to figure it out um yeah so i'm i'm not as

[2:23:52] Voice 23: sort of maybe conflicted about the decision uh as you are but i would prefer that you get to that

[2:24:01] Voice 23: that same point too so if that recall if that means deferring for for a short period of time

[2:24:11] Voice 23: before making an actual decision on what the next best steps are that's that's great but I feel like

[2:24:21] Voice 23: we're going to have to figure out what that next best steps are so

[2:24:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): maybe what we can do is ask for

[2:24:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): this and I don't know if you need a motion or not right on this but to ask for this to come back to

[2:24:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): the agenda in january um but i'll go ahead and move part two so

[2:24:36] Voice 10: if you had some i was just going

[2:24:38] Voice 10: to say that i i think you do need to like take a step back and this is just a preliminary stage

[2:24:45] Voice 10: where really like i think the the reference to drafting a bylaw is maybe throwing you off to

[2:24:51] Voice 10: the place where you are approving that bylaw or you're you're you're a year and a half away or

[2:24:57] Voice 10: whatever from anywhere near approval uh you haven't even considered giving like a draft

[2:25:02] Voice 10: bylaw first reading all you're doing is in my mind or the intent of these preliminary reports is

[2:25:09] Voice 10: to say is this application reasonable to move forward with further uh information collection

[2:25:15] Voice 10: and consideration and engagement with the community at this time or not and you can

[2:25:21] Voice 10: defer whether it is or not what i'm hearing from the property owner is that he's explored other

[2:25:28] Voice 10: sites that there isn't something that is looming and imminent that he could just move his business

[2:25:33] Voice 10: to in my mind there's a lot that would have to happen between a property owner and graden as a

[2:25:40] Voice 10: business owner to come to an agreement even on what that land use would look like and the rental

[2:25:45] Voice 10: terms and how long and all of those things versus the benefits of him potentially owning the land

[2:25:50] Voice 10: base that he's on now and having that not only as his residence but as his future business so

[2:25:57] Voice 10: from his perspective i'm sure he's eager to at least see this move forward uh you could direct

[2:26:05] Voice 10: that you're willing to at least move forward and direct and then that would initiate uh staff

[2:26:11] Voice 10: issuing in terms of reference where we would include uh the already in the staff report

[2:26:16] Voice 10: we've talked about the need for an engineer's storm water

[2:26:23] Voice 10: and wastewater management plan for a hydrogeologist

[2:26:27] Voice 10: to provide a pump test of the well

[2:26:31] Voice 10: to determine that there's water,

[2:26:33] Voice 10: not only for the future residential use,

[2:26:35] Voice 10: but whatever also water uses with respect to groundwater

[2:26:39] Voice 10: he's proposing for his bottom area.

[2:26:44] Voice 10: He's expressed a willingness to conduct an ecological assessment report to address some of the concerns that have been raised with respect to that.

[2:26:54] Voice 10: And so I am in agreement with Trustee Campbell that I don't think two months is going to give him any further clarity on a different spot to move where he's going to say, I'm not going to want to seek rezoning of my land.

[2:27:13] Voice 10: that's my or that's my thought can

[2:27:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): you give can you give any idea for something like this

[2:27:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): like between now and january like with those types of um geotechnical or you didn't say that

[2:27:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): it was uh engineering or um environmental assessments would those be done before the

[2:27:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): next meeting or would those be something that you would want to do after the next meeting or

[2:27:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): they would want to do after it

[2:27:39] Voice 10: depends what information you feel you still need with your

[2:27:42] Voice 10: application to to consider it he's brought a whole bunch of information forward if you decide to go

[2:27:50] Voice 10: forward with just considering the application which is really what staff are trying to clarify

[2:27:55] Voice 10: now if this is a non-starter or not in a sense if it's not a non-starter and you're willing to

[2:28:02] Voice 10: to proceed with considering what he's proposing,

[2:28:06] Voice 10: then the next step is closing those information gaps

[2:28:11] Voice 10: so that you have a bigger picture of any information

[2:28:14] Voice 10: that you feel is missing,

[2:28:16] Voice 10: including the three things I just talked about,

[2:28:18] Voice 10: plus anything else that comes up.

[2:28:22] Voice 10: It's not, it's perfectly normal that when this comes

[2:28:30] Voice 10: that all the information hasn't been submitted yet

[2:28:34] Voice 10: and different issues come up

[2:28:35] Voice 10: and concerns that haven't been thought about

[2:28:37] Voice 10: and that they get addressed

[2:28:39] Voice 10: through the back and forth through your meetings.

[2:28:43] Voice 10: So would he have those documents ready by next meeting?

[2:28:47] Voice 10: I guess that depends how diligent

[2:28:49] Voice 10: and how accessible his consultants are.

[2:28:52] Voice 10: And ultimately it behooves him to move as fast as he can

[2:28:57] Voice 10: so he can get the certainty he's looking for.

[2:28:59] Voice 10: So he's been super consistent, at least to this point with me, in terms of getting information to me quickly and being well-sourced with respect to the professionals he's using and all that.

[2:29:15] Voice 10: I

[2:29:15] Voice 25: have talked, you know, seeing the path that this was on with other applications or whatever, I have spoken with a QEP in detail around that.

[2:29:26] Voice 25: I haven't engaged with them in any report writing, but that is in the background.

[2:29:32] Voice 25: I have a higher hydrologist that's already given me a basis on what I can expect for that.

[2:29:40] Voice 25: The company that I use for that has lots of background working on Pender.

[2:29:45] Voice 25: Those two pieces are in the background. By January, I think it's unrealistic for them

[2:29:50] Voice 25: to get those reports. It's almost December. If you've got two or three weeks of Christmas,

[2:29:54] Voice 25: I would be surprised, but that is, again, me trying to be proactive.

[2:30:01] Voice 25: that's it's it's in the background so one

[2:30:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): other question just two one question one comment so

[2:30:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): um brad how much time does this take staff to get to the whatever we would do between now and

[2:30:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): do you have any idea roughly a

[2:30:16] Voice 10: couple out a few hours to write is to write a terms of reference

[2:30:22] Voice 10: and the draft bylaw i mean it wouldn't be presented to you for months yeah so

[2:30:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. Thank you for that. So I just need us to be very clear on what happens. And again, this is not about right, because you have been very, very good about doing everything. But I just want to be very clear as a trust counsel about what happens.

[2:30:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): when we were in a bylaw enforcement problem with the moving of the cement plant okay which moved

[2:30:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): they moved it they didn't ask we had to deal with a compliance issue i was blunt with aaron about

[2:31:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): that and like my frustration around that situation and at one of our meetings oh i don't know how

[2:31:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): many it was like 50 people showed up like and like to basically protest a concern that they

[2:31:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): wouldn't get that permit granted okay so the amount of community pressure that comes to bear

[2:31:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): when you start dealing with economics in this community and people's perception about economics

[2:31:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): and their ability to work or not work given a permit and that's what happens when we go down

[2:31:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): a road that is we're like if we go ahead here we're basically saying we agree that this could

[2:31:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): be a potential site i don't know that i can agree yet on that right and i want to be able to say

[2:31:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): I want to be able to say that before a bunch of other money is done here. I'm trying to understand, and I'm sure you all are, of like what's required for me to believe that, right? So yeah, I get that. I get that problem, right?

[2:31:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): Right. And part of it is that several community members have been trying since I'm not technically not supposed to better my decisions around this.

[2:32:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): So several community members have been trying to have those conversations more deeply with the frustrations in this space about where it is most acceptable in community for this type of work to be done.

[2:32:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): And, you know, now that there's a bunch of other materials in that space, OK, there's a whole bunch of issues related to that.

[2:32:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): um that doesn't necessarily mean again that yeah there's just there's a few other things so

[2:32:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): i need until january to feel that this is a go so um and then i need everyone else in the community

[2:32:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): who's opposed to this space to um like be in conversation with you be in conversation with

[2:32:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): jim allen be like to have those things because that's not actually appropriate for us because

[2:32:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): it betters our decision a bit to be able to do it so i just need that to be something that is done

[2:32:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): in community and then we need to just go ahead with the decision to go forward or not in january

[2:32:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): and like i will commit to you that in january i will make a decision to go forward or not i could

[2:33:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): get out voted today who knows okay so that's and

[2:33:06] Voice 25: i just don't want to be forced to make a decision

[2:33:08] Voice 25: where I have to move to another piece of land

[2:33:12] Voice 25: that's not zoned.

[2:33:14] Voice 25: If I get kicked out of there, I'm here.

[2:33:18] Voice 25: My family's here.

[2:33:19] Voice 25: I'm not going anywhere.

[2:33:20] Voice 25: So you need to understand that I will be here

[2:33:22] Voice 25: in some capacity.

[2:33:23] Voice 25: And I don't want to be forced in my business

[2:33:26] Voice 25: to make that decision to move somewhere else

[2:33:28] Voice 25: that's not permitted, that's not zoned,

[2:33:30] Voice 25: all that stuff, right?

[2:33:31] Voice 25: So be very clear on that.

[2:33:33] Voice 25: And that is not how I run my business

[2:33:35] Voice 25: and how I'm trying to be proactive.

[2:33:37] Voice 25: Totally get that.

[2:33:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): and the the good news is that the other property i think is already zoned for much of what you're

[2:33:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): doing and um if that was something that we would need to do i would be all for figuring out what

[2:33:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): the additional zoning needed to be on that property before hand so we could do that as a

[2:33:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): project as an industrial property project so i and there's no kicked out just to be clear i don't

[2:34:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): need that narrative in community i don't need it because like you're a uh you know that is not the

[2:34:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): goal i think of this ltc to like cause so much distress for you that you're not able to run

[2:34:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): your business okay it's not easy given like how this community feels about heavy industrial like

[2:34:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): activity right now but um i think there's ways forward so i just need until january okay so

[2:34:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that's my thought.

[2:34:27] Voice 19: Just a couple, or at least a few.

[2:34:30] Voice 19: Are you comfortable deferring to January, or do you want to deal with it?

[2:34:34] Voice 19: I

[2:34:37] Voice 23: feel like the conversation is going with one, that starting the process is what's actually going to help us understand what needs to happen with the property if it's going to be approved as a viable site.

[2:34:59] Voice 23: and what may or may not and that's what starts the community conversation after we've got a term

[2:35:04] Voice 23: terms of reference and we begin to begin to move it down the road that's that's where i would like

[2:35:13] Voice 23: to see it go because it yeah i'm not opposed to deferring it if we that makes sure that

[2:35:27] Voice 23: we're at the point that basically in january we do one and we start that process then that's

[2:35:35] Voice 23: that's fine i just i for myself i don't feel the need to go with the deferral so so

[2:35:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): i have a middle

[2:35:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): ground so i i if it's only a couple hours and the terms of reference can be brought forward in

[2:35:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): january i'm okay with that what i'm not okay with is i don't want you spending a bunch of money on

[2:35:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): different studies until we're we're more in line as a as a group going in that direction but so is

[2:36:01] Voice 23: that not once the terms of reference come forward would we not then be deciding what further

[2:36:09] Voice 23: information we need to to move forward with it right once we have a terms of my understanding

[2:36:18] Voice 23: is we need to have a terms of reference before we can even consider whether this is going to

[2:36:22] Voice 23: to go forward that

[2:36:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): would be my hope

[2:36:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): but i am hearing in between the cracks here that there

[2:36:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): could be other studies done between now and and the january meeting which is the end of january

[2:36:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): well

[2:36:32] Voice 23: i don't i don't think that they necessarily have to be done before then and i'm asking that

[2:36:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): they don't be done before then so

[2:36:40] Voice 23: i don't expect we're related i don't think that that would be

[2:36:44] Voice 23: that would be argued though that that don't don't spend any money until january

[2:37:17] Voice 23: That's what I'm asking.

[2:37:19] Voice 23: the process right it's not it's it's in walking it all out is going to is there it's just whether

[2:37:29] Voice 23: we really the question is do we start today or do we start again so

[2:37:34] Voice 19: planner smith your work between

[2:37:37] Voice 19: today and the january meeting does that require reports but we have to the

[2:37:44] Voice 10: terms of reference

[2:37:46] Voice 10: is a document that describes what has been submitted so far and what is outstanding so

[2:37:52] Voice 10: up to now in the staff report staff identified that in that terms of reference would also

[2:37:58] Voice 10: require that we provide a hydrogeologist report that we would provide

[2:38:12] Voice 10: a wastewater stormwater management from the feedback we've heard from your community staff

[2:38:22] Voice 10: would also recommend that or would you could pass a resolution directing that

[2:38:29] Voice 10: Braden undertake an ecological assessment of his proposed use and that would be added as an item in

[2:38:37] Voice 10: the terms of reference and so then the terms of reference is issued to the applicant who then is

[2:38:44] Voice 10: directed to complete those tasks to support your information needs and presumably you wouldn't

[2:38:51] Voice 10: move forward until you had that information in hand and decided if it was enough or

[2:38:59] Voice 19: if you needed

[2:39:00] Voice 19: did more. Well, the process is if motion one is approved, you prepare terms of reference.

[2:39:10] Voice 19: That comes back to the January meeting.

[2:39:12] Voice 10: It doesn't have

[2:39:14] Voice 10: to be January. It comes back to

[2:39:15] Voice 10: the meeting. You don't approve it. It's just a staff issue, the terms of reference. You can

[2:39:19] Voice 10: direct staff to put additional items than what staff are suggesting in the staff report, like

[2:39:31] Voice 10: felt important now or when the terms of reference comes forward uh now and then the issue is of the

[2:39:41] Voice 10: terms of reference the terms of reference isn't exhaustive it doesn't mean you couldn't seek more

[2:39:45] Voice 10: information later if another issue came up or another question uh it just is meant to provide

[2:39:55] Voice 10: and it's in your di bylaw these requirements around issuing these terms of reference

[2:40:00] Voice 10: It's just meant to provide a consistent mechanism to require information from an applicant.

[2:40:08] Voice 10: So Aaron Grimmer has been issued a terms of reference that requires him to do a bunch of things to help support the understanding of the application for the elected officials and the community.

[2:40:23] Voice 19: Okay, so based on that, Trustee Morrison, are you comfortable with motion 1, are you still planning to further the January?

[2:40:30] Voice 19: Well,

[2:40:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's a number of concerns. I'm just trying to get the terms of reference.

[2:40:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Brad, do you know which page?

[2:40:36] Voice 8: There isn't the terms of reference.

[2:40:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, sorry, not the terms of reference. The part in the staff report where you're suggesting what needs to be considered.

[2:40:45] Voice 20: Well,

[2:40:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): basically what I'm asking for...

[2:40:48] Voice 20: I think it's a question of opportunities.

[2:40:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because what I'm asking about is when we did the one for the road yard, yeah, there.

[2:40:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): there so um and i think they brought it to us with this but i think it was in consultation

[2:41:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the staff at the time um they ended up putting a covenant on uh like one portion of

[2:41:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): the land that was still forested in the back um as part of i think it was some kind of

[2:41:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): rezoning just i can't remember all the details of something it was about the pond i think

[2:41:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): anyway um there was a covenant attached to that land at the same time that we made the decision

[2:41:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): on whatever that they had asked us about and i'm wondering if that is also part of can be part of

[2:41:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): the terms of reference in this situation because several of the concerns that have been raised here

[2:41:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): today are about the conservancy and about the upper slope land it's outside the industrial land

[2:41:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i just want to understand if that can be part of the conversation or not

[2:41:56] Voice 8: Can

[2:41:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): you put a covenant? Can a covenant be part of the terms of reference for this reason?

[2:42:02] Voice 10: We do in terms of reference, reference that the applicant may be required to

[2:42:08] Voice 10: enter a section 219 covenant and on page 134 of your staff report it speaks to that as well.

[2:42:13] Voice 19: So I see regional planning manager has popped onto the screen so he might have some insight.

[2:42:18] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair. I think generally, you know, the terms of reference is like Brad said,

[2:42:23] Voice 26: is to give the applicant and the local trust committee

[2:42:27] Voice 26: a common understanding as early in the process as possible

[2:42:30] Voice 26: about what reports you need to assess

[2:42:33] Voice 26: the impacts of what's being proposed.

[2:42:35] Voice 26: A covenant is a tool to help mitigate impacts.

[2:42:41] Voice 26: So logically and in theory, you would get the reports first.

[2:42:45] Voice 26: The reports might have some recommendations

[2:42:47] Voice 26: about potential impacts from development

[2:42:50] Voice 26: element that are recommended to be mitigated. And then we would come and say, well, a covenant's

[2:42:56] Voice 26: the best tool to address that impact. So that would follow from the reports that are required

[2:43:01] Voice 26: under the terms of reference.

[2:43:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. That's helpful because the information that's on page

[2:43:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): 134 doesn't actually address my question, which is a little bit more about what I've heard today

[2:43:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): from the Conservancy and what we have in writing from the Conservancy is a concern of the impacts

[2:43:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): for potential larger-scale ecological reserve efforts

[2:43:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): that are going on in the upslope area,

[2:43:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is outside the specific industrial site here,

[2:43:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): but are being argued that could be impacted by this.

[2:43:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): So can you help me articulate what I'm asking for as a report here?

[2:43:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know

[2:43:39] Voice 20: if that's

[2:43:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): the response.

[2:43:42] Voice 20: Yes.

[2:43:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, I'm not trying to be dense.

[2:43:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm just trying to be clear.

[2:43:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): So because my understanding of the ecological reports that I've seen for pieces of land like this in the past is they apply to the industrial land itself as opposed to land adjacent or upslope.

[2:44:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like this is, because there's an R and there's an I, right?

[2:44:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): I

[2:44:06] Voice 10: think the question for the consultant would be what are the potential ecological impacts

[2:44:15] Voice 10: associated with the proposed land use on adjacent properties and yeah that would be in that and if

[2:44:26] Voice 10: you direct staff to or direct the applicant to provide that to you then I would put it in the

[2:44:32] Voice 10: terms of reference describing that that is what is required and

[2:44:36] Voice 25: if that's the utmost priority why

[2:44:38] Voice 25: don't we just start with that oh so we can start with that now i'll get that rolling this afternoon

[2:44:42] Voice 25: if i need to that's something that gets you over that hump and that's let's just start working on

[2:44:48] Voice 25: that's one portion of the three or four professional studies that i might be required

[2:44:53] Voice 25: if it gets axed with the with the environmental impact assessment let's look elsewhere because

[2:45:00] Voice 25: because that seems to be the biggest stumbling block

[2:45:02] Voice 25: around that zone.

[2:45:06] Voice 25: Ideas, brainstorm, that's all I'm saying.

[2:45:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, if you're willing to go down the path

[2:45:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): of doing a report that provides that information

[2:45:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): and community can hear that and understand that

[2:45:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the terms of reference,

[2:45:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): and you still understand that that could be backing up,

[2:45:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): like, okay.

[2:45:20] Voice 25: Yeah. Yep.

[2:45:21] Voice 25: And you know what,

[2:45:22] Voice 25: did you guys receive the correspondence from this one?

[2:45:24] Voice 25: Okay. Yeah, I read it.

[2:45:25] Voice 25: This is the one being-

[2:45:26] Voice 25: Yeah, I read it all.

[2:45:27] Voice 25: Okay.

[2:45:28] Voice 25: And that will be posted.

[2:45:30] Voice 10: Okay, yes.

[2:45:30] Voice 10: it's just a leg in that yeah okay um so you could pass a resolution directing the applicant

[2:45:39] Voice 10: to provide an ecological assessment report

[2:45:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): i moved that the applicant for some complicated

[2:45:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): a TUP number or not TUP. I moved that the applicant for with reference okay for application PLRZ20240110

[2:46:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Bingham what is what is the rest of it I got lost.

[2:46:10] Voice 10: Provide an ecological assessment report. Provide an

[2:46:13] Voice 10: ecological assessment. In

[2:46:14] Voice 10: respect to this rezoning application.

[2:46:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): In respect to his rezoning application

[2:46:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): for impact on adjacent property

[2:46:21] Voice 24: so Lisa

[2:46:26] Voice 19: you've got that yes

[2:46:30] Voice 24: Tremont I have that

[2:46:30] Voice 24: thank

[2:46:31] Voice 19: you very much all

[2:46:33] Voice 23: right for the discussion is this in

[2:46:36] Voice 23: conjunction with recommendation one or two

[2:46:40] Voice 10: so I would say that recommendation

[2:46:42] Voice 10: one you could pull back a bit and say that that we receive application I mean

[2:46:48] Voice 10: it sounds like you're willing to at least proceed with considering okay yeah i think that

[2:46:56] Voice 10: so um

[2:46:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): for sure for sure we're considering it because

[2:47:00] Voice 10: then you could just pass a resolution

[2:47:01] Voice 10: saying uh that we uh that we have received the application and we direct staff to issue a terms

[2:47:10] Voice 10: of reference all

[2:47:12] Voice 20: right yeah rather

[2:47:13] Voice 10: than direct bylaw

[2:47:15] Voice 20: you can provide

[2:47:17] Voice 10: direction later if you

[2:47:18] Voice 10: you if you

[2:47:19] Voice 19: want to drop the mylar okay so we'll call the question on this yeah okay so all in

[2:47:24] Voice 19: favor it

[2:47:24] Voice 6: was a second bid yes

[2:47:25] Voice 19: okay so so that's carried um so you're saying that the next so

[2:47:33] Voice 19: recommendation number one should read i

[2:47:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): can i probably can do it

[2:47:36] Voice 19: okay so lisa pay attention

[2:47:39] Voice 19: i think you're thinking so

[2:47:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): that the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to

[2:47:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): to proceed with application PLRZ20240110 Bingham

[2:47:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): and to draft a terms of reference.

[2:47:51] Voice 10: To provide a terms of reference to the applicant.

[2:47:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): And to provide a terms of reference to the applicant.

[2:47:57] Voice 19: Okay. All right.

[2:47:58] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:47:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): I

[2:47:59] Voice 19: trust Lisa's got that.

[2:48:01] Voice 19: Second.

[2:48:02] Voice 19: So

[2:48:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): my, just one last comment on that.

[2:48:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): So for me, that's different

[2:48:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): because I don't want to go forward

[2:48:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): to drafting a bylaw or anything like that.

[2:48:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't want to say we're going that far

[2:48:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): until we are clear what this issue is resolved in community

[2:48:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): or how we understand this going forward.

[2:48:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I don't want a ton of money and resources

[2:48:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): driven in this direction until we're sure

[2:48:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we're going this way.

[2:48:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I do think that this helps us understand.

[2:48:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): You

[2:48:28] Voice 25: want to put a specific timeline on that?

[2:48:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's up to you.

[2:48:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): If

[2:48:31] Voice 25: you provide that,

[2:48:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): they'll come back in January, I think.

[2:48:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): Probably

[2:48:34] Voice 25: will be January, probably March.

[2:48:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, okay.

[2:48:39] Voice 10: So we'll get rolling.

[2:48:40] Voice 10: yeah it could be it's up it's depending given it's you don't have to have it by jane

[2:48:46] Voice 25: well moving

[2:48:47] Voice 25: forward as long as you know it's not like you know i'll pull the trigger on that but they'll have to

[2:48:52] Voice 25: and

[2:48:52] Voice 10: the terms of reference would also describe the need for hydro geologists report and

[2:48:57] Voice 10: other stuff we've talked about and you can decide if you want to do that now or if

[2:49:02] Voice 10: you want to hold

[2:49:03] Voice 10: off on that contest for example until you get a bit more clarity from the trustees and your

[2:49:08] Voice 10: community this stuff yeah okay

[2:49:10] Voice 19: okay so all question all there that carries so we have

[2:49:16] Voice 19: another motion yeah

[2:49:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): i think we need so uh okay the north pender island local trust committee

[2:49:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): permits the current industrial land use to continue during consideration of application

[2:49:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): plr is a20240110 in accordance with standing resolution 2020-010 policy option 15.b1

[2:49:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): And directs the by-law enforcement actions, including the issuing of notices to cease.

[2:49:43] Voice 19: Thank you for the discussion. I

[2:49:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): just think that's fair given that it's being considered. No question.

[2:49:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): What's the current land use, please?

[2:49:53] Voice 19: We're in the middle of a vote right now, please, so we'll conduct the vote.

[2:49:56] Voice 19: So all in favour? That carries. Do you have a question on the planner?

[2:50:01] Voice 5: What is the current use of the site, please?

[2:50:04] Voice 5: the

[2:50:04] Voice 19: current zoning or

[2:50:06] Voice 5: the current use that is being permitted to continue now the tup as per

[2:50:11] Voice 5: the tup because

[2:50:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): the tup was the last thing that we had as like allowing that current activating

[2:50:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's what they forced on so yeah

[2:50:21] Voice 10: you should describe that then in your resolution perhaps

[2:50:26] Voice 10: that if you want it to that standard there's

[2:50:29] Voice 25: been some comment around bylaw around that

[2:50:31] Voice 25: you know the direction from david was as long as i'm in process yeah that's

[2:50:36] Voice 25: my understanding but

[2:50:37] Voice 25: there's no yeah okay so as long as i'm clear not for reference because there is additional

[2:50:42] Voice 25: information there's additional items i've added in this package that aren't directly related to

[2:50:49] Voice 25: the temporary use no

[2:50:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's different so my understanding from past experiences with bylaw

[2:50:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): is in like that we're working as long as you're in compliance moving forward with something

[2:50:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): thing to deal with the fact that there is no TEP that we're I'm I'm good with it as it stands I

[2:51:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): feel like it's okay but hopefully we get a little more clarity in the next two months around like

[2:51:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): some crystal clarity on this issue okay

[2:51:13] Voice 19: okay all right we're done sure

[2:51:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): I just

[2:51:21] Voice 10: want to clarify that there are no other professional reports or other information

[2:51:30] Voice 10: that you are seeking at this time that we haven't talked about today.

[2:51:34] Voice 10: It doesn't mean you can't seek that information later,

[2:51:38] Voice 10: just the more we have in a comprehensive terms of

[2:51:41] Voice 10: the veterans.

[2:51:42] Voice 23: No, but the ones that we have discussed are going

[2:51:46] Voice 23: in Vietnam.

[2:51:49] Voice 19: Do you guys want to take a 10-minute break, or do you want to carry on?

[2:51:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): Actually, I do need a minute.

[2:51:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[2:51:56] Voice 19: so 10 minute break.

[2:51:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay,

[2:52:00] Voice 19: thank you very much everybody.

[2:52:04] Voice 19: Lisa, we're on a 10 minute break.

[3:03:37] Voice 12: Right, we are getting back to order.

[3:03:43] Voice 19: The controversial part of the agenda is good for us.

[3:03:49] Voice 19: It's good for us. We have the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee proposed bylaws number 539, referral or response.

[3:04:02] Voice 23: Honestly, all of the other stuff that has come

[3:04:09] Voice 23: forward.

[3:04:11] Voice 23: about this it's not

[3:04:12] Voice 10: sorry there's a trust policy that requires that they get admitted to the other

[3:04:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[3:04:18] Voice 10: trustees but more often than not it's just like always so

[3:04:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would that we improve

[3:04:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): uh recommended i'm sorry but

[3:04:26] Voice 19: your interests are unaffected

[3:04:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): uh interest unaffected

[3:04:28] Voice 19: so seconded

[3:04:32] Voice 18: that's all we have to say that was funny call the question all in favor yeah i am just i am waiting

[3:04:38] Voice 19: for the day that

[3:04:39] Voice 18: somebody comes back

[3:04:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah we did do one it

[3:04:44] Voice 23: was

[3:04:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): something about where my face are

[3:04:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): island i think

[3:04:50] Voice 23: the um some blogging or something yeah i think that's

[3:04:55] Voice 23: why we had a whole discussion

[3:04:56] Voice 23: about it we got some clarity and then i think he still said that anyway

[3:05:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): Anyway, I

[3:05:02] Voice 23: look

[3:05:03] Voice 19: forward to today. All right. So is

[3:05:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): this the moment where we should come

[3:05:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): back to the other motions that we are? Do we do that at the end? There was something

[3:05:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): about the minutes. And yeah, should

[3:05:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): we come back to that? Well,

[3:05:15] Voice 19: you said you want to do

[3:05:16] Voice 19: business, which is which is like going to be in seconds. Okay, so keep going. So we're

[3:05:22] Voice 19: 16.1, which is word program. So we have active projects and future projects. If you have

[3:05:27] Voice 19: any questions or comments to the planner or if the planner has any comments to us

[3:05:31] Voice 19: i think it's all pretty straightforward what

[3:05:34] Voice 6: happened to the housing access report

[3:05:36] Voice 6: is that oh

[3:05:38] Voice 19: you know i've been a very bad person thank you

[3:05:41] Voice 19: i joke see points for paying attention

[3:05:46] Voice 19: so let's just back up here

[3:05:48] Voice 8: you know so

[3:05:50] Voice 19: we have raptors uh nasc epa review project

[3:05:54] Voice 19: moved yet. Staff report attached. That's page 164.

[3:05:59] Voice 6: Sorry.

[3:06:06] Voice 6: First,

[3:06:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think we're literally just going to accept these two

[3:06:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): things. So just give us one minute. Oh, so so there's no

[3:06:13] Voice 6: thing to talk about. I don't think so.

[3:06:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): For the Raptors.

[3:06:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): Next one. Does anybody want

[3:06:16] Voice 6: to have a longer conversation about

[3:06:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): that? Good to me.

[3:06:19] Voice 10: I know that you do have property owners raising concerns about the expanded buffer areas

[3:06:25] Voice 10: and in particular a couple property owners the letters have been sent to you

[3:06:34] Voice 10: where the new buffer areas cover most of their lot and the lots aren't developed

[3:06:41] Voice 10: staff have talked about looking at some guideline language that would

[3:06:45] Voice 10: to consider where our property is undeveloped, making it clear that you can still build on

[3:06:54] Voice 10: the property, but that you would need to consider the guidelines. The concerns being raised

[3:06:59] Voice 10: are that it's sterilizing my lot for future development, and the intent of development

[3:07:04] Voice 10: permits are not to do that, of course.

[3:07:06] Voice 23: Right. But is this not that there is different, like there's currently there's

[3:07:16] Voice 10: a 30 meter?

[3:07:17] Voice 10: 60 meter currently is a 50 meter on most of them 30 to 50 meters most of them are 50.

[3:07:22] Voice 10: So that's 150 feet. Yeah and

[3:07:25] Voice 10: the new buffers on most of them are 60. So there's an expansion of

[3:07:29] Voice 10: the core buffer which is all year round and then the guidelines expressed a breeding season buffer

[3:07:39] Voice 10: which is shown in your button in your packet in the Schedule OMAP, that expands any areas.

[3:07:47] Voice 10: Just the scope of the expansion of that touches on so many properties, so staff will talk

[3:07:56] Voice 10: about potentially adding some exemption language to like really minor activities that are occurring,

[3:08:02] Voice 10: like for example, Magic Lake, if you start to expand up 200 meters, you're going a long

[3:08:08] Voice 10: ways. So that's one issue is those breeding season buffers and just how many more properties

[3:08:14] Voice 10: they capture. The other concern which I think is valid is those situations where your core buffers

[3:08:23] Voice 10: are creating areas on lots where there's no house yet and you're more or less covering the whole

[3:08:33] Voice 10: area with DP. The concern of those property owners is you're essentially removing my ability

[3:08:43] Voice 10: and the feedback I've given them is no, we're not sterilizing the lot, but you would be

[3:08:49] Voice 10: required to get a development permit. And what you could do to help ensure that they

[3:08:55] Voice 10: understand that is add a guideline that says in cases where a lot is not developed, that

[3:09:00] Voice 10: that when developing the primary residence, it's allowed in a sense,

[3:09:05] Voice 10: but it needs to consider the guidelines and minimize impacts.

[3:09:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is that what you mean by the updates in number two?

[3:09:13] Voice 10: This is something kind of the...

[3:09:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, okay.

[3:09:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): Sorry, that's how I read the number two, where other updates as presented.

[3:09:22] Voice 10: That's your project charter.

[3:09:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that's what I'm doing.

[3:09:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's other updates.

[3:09:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:09:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:09:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so what do you need that's different than the recommendations in here to account for what you just said?

[3:09:37] Voice 10: You can turn your mind to if you want to add additional guidelines or exemptions around those buffer areas.

[3:09:43] Voice 10: I mean, the advice is in your staff report.

[3:09:50] Voice 10: Do you want to keep those broader buffer areas?

[3:09:53] Voice 10: Do you want to consider any exemptions to those buffer areas?

[3:09:56] Voice 10: Do you want to make any changes to those buffer areas?

[3:09:58] Voice 10: If not for now, we will just vet out the draft byline.

[3:10:01] Voice 10: and you can pass the two resolutions that are there i

[3:10:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): would like to keep the existing buffers

[3:10:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i i totally agree with what you just said though that maybe you need to add some text

[3:10:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): somewhere um about the idea that it doesn't sterilize the lot um however that resolution

[3:10:20] Voice 10: something like that the local trust committee directs staff to add uh language to the draft

[3:10:26] Voice 10: bylaw that provides a guideline for undeveloped lots enough Lisa did you

[3:10:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): capture that yes

[3:10:41] Voice 24: trustee Morrison I got that so I'd like to move that

[3:10:45] Voice 19: so that

[3:10:48] Voice 19: has been moved okay is

[3:10:50] Voice 19: that gonna be second can you

[3:10:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): go ahead and read it back

[3:10:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): before we vote for it for

[3:10:57] Voice 24: that and that the north pender island local trust committee direct staff

[3:11:03] Voice 24: to add language to the draft bylaw that provides guideline guidelines for undeveloped lots

[3:11:10] Voice 10: that sounded appropriate i think

[3:11:11] Voice 24: that's enough for now yeah yeah that sounds good

[3:11:13] Voice 24: so

[3:11:13] Voice 10: that is what we're going to outline that guideline and then send that as part of the

[3:11:17] Voice 10: job file okay that's so good thank you all right that

[3:11:21] Voice 19: carries okay okay

[3:11:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then so that are you

[3:11:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): good with the whole bumper zone thing okay yeah i was good with that i thought it was great i think

[3:11:32] Voice 23: i i think i'm like i think people need to understand that it doesn't become completely

[3:11:38] Voice 23: limiting it's just that they are required to have a conversation about it yeah it's so so much of it

[3:11:47] Voice 23: Yeah,

[3:11:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's exactly. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to go ahead then. That's okay.

[3:11:53] Voice 20: Yeah. Okay,

[3:11:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): then the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee receives draft bylaw 235 cited as North Pender

[3:11:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): Island official community plan bylaw number 171-207 amendment number 1-2023 for use in

[3:12:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): further community and property owner consultations as amended. Is that correct, Brad? I'll need

[3:12:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): to put another amendment in there because you're going to amend it that's true okay as amended and

[3:12:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): direct staff to initiate draft bylaw referrals second

[3:12:22] Voice 19: i came through the discussion all the

[3:12:24] Voice 19: questions all in favor that carries that

[3:12:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): the north island uh sorry for the north pender island that

[3:12:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to update the raptor net dpa review

[3:12:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): project charter to reflect new timelines and other updates as presented in the november 29

[3:12:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): 2024 staff report is

[3:12:43] Voice 19: that good yeah for the discussion no questions that carries okay all

[3:12:48] Voice 19: right thank you thank

[3:12:49] Voice 19: you this is really good

[3:12:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i'm really excited about this so thank you for all

[3:12:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): the detail and i read all those letters thank you all the people that wrote in

[3:12:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): about that i'm sorry

[3:12:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that it does influence okay

[3:12:59] Voice 19: so we move now to the highly anticipated highly housing access to the

[3:13:02] Voice 19: quarter building project staff report page 193.

[3:13:09] Voice 10: so lots of work done on your housing projects

[3:13:14] Voice 10: including uh the survey with 470 respondents which is pretty exceptional i thought it was a really

[3:13:21] Voice 10: high number of respondents and uh and then you also are presented here with the

[3:13:28] Voice 10: really uh full sun and well-developed advisory planning commission plan that i would just

[3:13:34] Voice 10: reiterate that they have been really exceptional in their diligence and uh and their willingness

[3:13:40] Voice 10: as well as just their ability to work together in a really nice productive positive way is all

[3:13:45] Voice 10: that i saw and produce a report that is so outstanding so kudos to them uh again i don't

[3:13:54] Voice 10: think i'll dive too much into the results of all this it's all there for you and we don't have a

[3:13:58] Voice 10: huge audience in front of us here uh there are two uh recommendations there uh we've done a lot

[3:14:05] Voice 10: work i think that would help to uh that that uh there's enough information there now to start

[3:14:13] Voice 10: crafting a draft action plan uh building on the work of the main uh plan and the toolkit

[3:14:21] Voice 10: kit. And I recommend or staff recommend that you continue to

[3:14:28] Voice 10: engage the Advisory Planning Commission in that work if

[3:14:31] Voice 10: they're willing to do that and refer further support on the

[3:14:35] Voice 10: actual development of that housing plan, which staff want

[3:14:38] Voice 10: to take the first crack at and then share that with the APC and

[3:14:42] Voice 10: work with them to help strengthen it. So I think I'll

[3:14:48] Voice 10: turn that back to you through the chair. Are there any

[3:14:50] Voice 10: questions or comments thank

[3:14:52] Voice 19: you i just i i just from a personal level like i've been blessed

[3:14:58] Voice 19: uh both on denman and on north pender to have worked with apcs that have been outstanding um

[3:15:06] Voice 19: denman flew me out of the water the amount of energy and the amount of information they

[3:15:10] Voice 19: brought forward equally so on north tender i'm just going through the minutes i just the the

[3:15:19] Voice 19: The amount of work that's been done is just outstanding.

[3:15:21] Voice 19: It's very, very, very impressive.

[3:15:24] Voice 19: And as trustees, you should be very proud of your business.

[3:15:26] Voice 19: When I went through the meeting

[3:15:28] Voice 23: minutes, I started reading my first one, and then I had gotten distracted by something.

[3:15:39] Voice 23: And so I had kind of scrolled away, and I went back to it.

[3:15:43] Voice 23: And I actually ended up in a different meeting, but it was still housing, so it was making sense.

[3:15:49] Voice 23: and then sometimes i went back i was like there's like five of these like what were these people

[3:15:56] Voice 23: doing yeah but

[3:15:58] Voice 23: yeah it's really it's really good yeah very very cool to see that and to be getting

[3:16:03] Voice 23: that kind of feedback out of the community is incredible i

[3:16:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): i want to stress like this is

[3:16:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): something that sometimes people forget like aaron and myself david too like we're just community

[3:16:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): members we're not like planners you know we're not like some housing specialists you know so like

[3:16:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): the ability to have a group who's going to just deep dive into this topic it's pretty complicated

[3:16:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): and multi-jurisdictional like it's so so so helpful so thank you for the work that you've done

[3:16:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): and

[3:16:32] Voice 23: honestly there's a few recommendations that i didn't yeah i

[3:16:36] Voice 23: didn't think that everyone would

[3:16:38] Voice 23: go with i'm just kind of like oh okay this is different than i was expecting like okay let's

[3:16:44] Voice 23: let's consider this this is all right yeah

[3:16:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): so two two questions some short questions i have one for

[3:16:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): the presentation today related to this and then one um do all the the like this data analysis

[3:16:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): and pieces and the notes from all the advisory planning meetings did those go up on our housing

[3:17:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): project site

[3:17:03] Voice 17: yeah they can i will do that

[3:17:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): that'd be great because i love and it's hard for sometimes

[3:17:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): our community to find them when they're embedded in our maintenance so it'd be nice if they were

[3:17:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): pulled out and put on the project site because I think there's a lot of interest in this community

[3:17:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): obviously from the survey responses about this so it'd be good to be able to direct people

[3:17:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then related to that the presentation from Justine today would be helpful if it was up there

[3:17:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): or shared in some way and in particular the comments that were on that slide that I asked

[3:17:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): about because if we can help with educational efforts around the current project or

[3:17:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): grant programs that are available right now around the secondary

[3:17:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): suite housing. I feel like that's a really low-hanging fruit for us.

[3:17:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): It would be nice to be able to put that on the site and then we can reference it because we need

[3:17:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be able to put that out now.

[3:17:53] Voice 23: We've got some more

[3:17:54] Voice 23: experience with that, I think, relatively quick because

[3:17:58] Voice 23: the family that is building

[3:18:02] Voice 23: the secondary suite needs variance in order to continue on with

[3:18:06] Voice 23: the process okay and so it's like they are in it right now okay yeah in in doing it and i and i

[3:18:14] Voice 23: went and hung out with them two weeks ago i think yeah and just helped them through and actually

[3:18:22] Voice 23: in the in that presentation i sent them a message and i just said you know just referenced you in

[3:18:30] Voice 23: this whole thing would you be willing to uh sort of provide a little bit more information

[3:18:36] Voice 23: as the process rolls out for you

[3:18:38] Voice 23: and we'll put you in contact with Justine

[3:18:41] Voice 23: to see if there's a way to help make that happen

[3:18:45] Voice 23: because there is, and they were aware of it,

[3:18:47] Voice 23: there is the two possible grants

[3:18:51] Voice 23: and they had also relayed that Emily Bryant

[3:18:58] Voice 23: has been helping them with their application

[3:19:01] Voice 23: and that she has been, in their words,

[3:19:03] Voice 23: above and beyond helpful in helping them navigate where they need to go so so

[3:19:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): i guess the ask for the

[3:19:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): web space relating to the housing project is can that

[3:19:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): information about emily or justine

[3:19:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): like those programs be added right now because people are going to be looking at the housing

[3:19:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): project as the space to go that understand this and it'd be good to have somewhere to

[3:19:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): point people to like figure out what to do i'm not sure i'm going to remember

[3:19:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, then you and I need to think about how we're sharing that information with the community

[3:19:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): more broadly, because those programs are available now, and that's money for the community, so

[3:19:46] Voice 23: yeah.

[3:19:47] Voice 23: I think getting into it, there's a couple of little tender forum sort of things related

[3:19:53] Voice 23: housing and mostly rental-ish but you know i've put some stuff on facebook and it's

[3:20:02] Voice 23: straight up told people that it's this isn't a discussion

[3:20:06] Voice 23: parking this for information and then there's 37

[3:20:08] Voice 23: i respond to none of them it's great

[3:20:12] Voice 23: you can be

[3:20:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): what i did during the election where you put something up with no comment and then

[3:20:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): somebody fake copies it and then well you

[3:20:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): know ronald kind of underneath you know they'll have

[3:20:23] Voice 23: the conversation so i'm not going to dig into yeah all

[3:20:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): right so i'm good with the two pieces

[3:20:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we need to do here i think i don't think we need other details right it's just these two

[3:20:36] Voice 23: got the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to initiate the development of a

[3:20:41] Voice 23: draft housing action plan that considers the recommendations of the special advisory planning

[3:20:47] Voice 23: planning commission on housing and results of community engagement including the housing

[3:20:51] Voice 23: needs survey results second for the discussion call the question on favor that carries that

[3:20:58] Voice 23: the North Pender Island local press committee requests that the special advisory planning

[3:21:02] Voice 23: Commission on housing received the 2024 housing needs review review the 2024 housing needs

[3:21:11] Voice 23: assessment survey results and provide input into the development of a draft housing action plan

[3:21:17] Voice 23: seconded

[3:21:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah pay

[3:21:19] Voice 23: for their discussion just

[3:21:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): a quick question on that one brad does that give

[3:21:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): the mandate to stop my oh no that's the first one okay no i understand now sorry okay okay yep

[3:21:31] Voice 18: call the question all in favor that carries it's good when you can answer your own questions

[3:21:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i just want to make sure that what he had mentioned that staff take a first crack at it

[3:21:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): is what actually happened here.

[3:21:41] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:21:43] Voice 19: So we're done.

[3:21:46] Voice 6: Just special thanks to the staff,

[3:21:48] Voice 6: especially Brad,

[3:21:49] Voice 6: who's come to many of our meetings,

[3:21:51] Voice 6: all of our meetings,

[3:21:52] Voice 6: and Carly, great notes.

[3:21:55] Voice 6: We've had a lot of backup,

[3:22:00] Voice 6: and Brad's kind of blown me away

[3:22:02] Voice 6: with his background knowledge

[3:22:03] Voice 6: and having the answers right away

[3:22:04] Voice 6: to questions we have.

[3:22:06] Voice 6: So thank you very much for that.

[3:22:11] Voice 9: And

[3:22:12] Voice 6: also, Peter Perret has really been an astounding chairperson.

[3:22:21] Voice 6: Thank

[3:22:22] Voice 16: you so much

[3:22:23] Voice 16: for your service.

[3:22:25] Voice 6: All right.

[3:22:30] Voice 8: You're quiet.

[3:22:32] Voice 20: It's smaller.

[3:22:35] Voice 19: So now we're at 16.1, Act, Prohibits and Future Projects.

[3:22:45] Voice 31: Any questions?

[3:22:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[3:22:48] Voice 31: I'm sure.

[3:22:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you for all the work on this, Brad.

[3:22:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's really, yeah, these notes are rocking it.

[3:22:55] Voice 19: So application support, is this verbal, is there anything about that?

[3:22:59] Voice 19: Speak to us if you have questions.

[3:23:06] Voice 10: They already have applied for resuming and so we're waiting on reports from Aaron.

[3:23:13] Voice 10: We were looking for them for this meeting, but given the challenges his family's had,

[3:23:19] Voice 10: we deferred anything to the new year.

[3:23:22] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[3:23:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): I was just curious.

[3:23:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Somebody asked me about that.

[3:23:25] Voice 10: Yeah, that's given just the family, the personal circumstances and challenges he's

[3:23:31] Voice 10: been delayed thank you so

[3:23:35] Voice 19: we have trustee and local success report for your review

[3:23:40] Voice 19: policies review trusting web page conservative reports attached for your information

[3:23:48] Voice 19: um moving forward with new business we have the dark sky principal adoption advocacy briefing

[3:23:56] Voice 19: think on page 268. justine morrison did you have some commentary with that or yeah

[3:24:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): so one of the

[3:24:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): things that we're hoping as this comes into community for conversation including in our

[3:24:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): ltp i mean it's a little weird in our office something that we were breached on by community

[3:24:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): but um would be that we have some kind of support for thinking about this at a regional level like

[3:24:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the CRD because this is a it impacts both us but a lot of it is our advocacy role with the CRD

[3:24:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): so what I'm hoping to come out of this meeting with is some kind of statement for us as an LTC

[3:24:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): about that we support the dark sky principles and want to advocate with regional districts around

[3:24:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): them that kind of thing not all the

[3:24:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): specifics like all the details at this point but like a

[3:24:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): a general principle so that one or all of us can attend CRD meetings to be able to talk

[3:24:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): with our direct staff. I don't think we're going to get to the direct staff point at this point

[3:24:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): just because of the trust council. Anyway, I just don't think we're going to go down that road at

[3:25:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): this moment. But I do think we could as an LCC collaborate with CRD to think about what are the

[3:25:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): changes that we need and that's what i'm really wanting to see um at this meeting coming up for

[3:25:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): next week to see how many ltc's are in support of that so that we can collectively kind of have

[3:25:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): a conversation offline like among the elected officials to like work with syria i

[3:25:26] Voice 23: know it has

[3:25:27] Voice 23: It has come up, I

[3:25:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): mean, no,

[3:25:32] Voice 23: no, uh, yeah, it was

[3:25:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): referred to, I guess,

[3:25:36] Voice 23: yeah, but the but in the previous one came up.

[3:25:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, yeah,

[3:25:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): but that was this motion.

[3:25:46] Voice 23: This motion is

[3:25:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): here, and

[3:25:47] Voice 23: I think that I think that there was.

[3:25:50] Voice 23: I don't think there was anybody who was in any way to it.

[3:25:55] Voice 23: so i don't expect that there will be any resistance to that as an idea especially

[3:26:01] Voice 23: with bowen already having and to the trustees being from there so yeah so

[3:26:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): so what i would love

[3:26:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we have moved at trust council recommendation one and two right that that so we need a sort of

[3:26:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): motion from us to say we're notifying them so

[3:26:23] Voice 19: there's just a motion there

[3:26:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is a little

[3:26:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): weird

[3:26:26] Voice 23: for us right so i guess i have to read that one yeah

[3:26:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah it's basically at the bottom 268 that you know that ours would so if you want to

[3:26:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): read that one um and then that would allow us to just help me pool names of different people

[3:26:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): who are

[3:26:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): motivated instruction it's not folding

[3:26:51] Voice 23: like this okay that pender island north pender

[3:26:57] Voice 23: island local trust committee now

[3:26:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): just ignore that oh

[3:27:02] Voice 23: that north pender island local trust committee

[3:27:04] Voice 23: direct staff to notify trustee morrison of north pender island local trust committee's interest

[3:27:13] Voice 23: in pursuing further exploration of policy

[3:27:16] Voice 23: and advocacy options relating to dark sky principles?

[3:27:22] Voice 23: Seconded.

[3:27:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): Can you second me?

[3:27:24] Voice 23: I'll second it.

[3:27:25] Voice 19: I don't think

[3:27:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's a conflict of interest.

[3:27:28] Voice 19: I know, I know.

[3:27:28] Voice 19: This is just a blurring of lines.

[3:27:31] Voice 19: Okay, so call the question all in favor.

[3:27:33] Voice 19: And Brad, you will, for Trustee Morrison's opinion.

[3:27:37] Voice 8: We're good.

[3:27:38] Voice 8: Demo's for it.

[3:27:39] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:27:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): up um logistics

[3:27:42] Voice 19: is interesting yeah

[3:27:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then there's one other thing that i would just like

[3:27:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): to think about so we're going to have to talk about our schedule in a minute i want to have

[3:27:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): to think about the idea that we do two saturdays like we've done this year for information meeting

[3:27:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): type meeting because one of the things that i would like us to consider around part two is how

[3:28:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're thinking with community and developing women in the dark sky principles so i will start to

[3:28:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): to think about how I can do that as a trustee individually,

[3:28:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): but I would also like to include us a brief amount of time

[3:28:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): on each of our community information meeting items

[3:28:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): if we have those,

[3:28:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm not sure how we're thinking about those meetings,

[3:28:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): to include the dark sky principles

[3:28:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): as part of our conversations,

[3:28:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): just so people become more aware of them.

[3:28:25] Voice 23: We do have a discussion coming up on our meeting

[3:28:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): schedule,

[3:28:30] Voice 23: don't we?

[3:28:30] Voice 23: The trust council?

[3:28:31] Voice 23: No, for local?

[3:28:33] Voice 23: For

[3:28:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): here, at the end of the agenda.

[3:28:35] Voice 10: Is that what we're doing?

[3:28:36] Voice 10: Yes.

[3:28:37] Voice 10: Yes.

[3:28:37] Voice 10: Your meeting schedule.

[3:28:38] Voice 10: Yes.

[3:28:39] Voice 10: So just to back up to your dark side, what was the decision that you just made there,

[3:28:43] Voice 10: Sway?

[3:28:43] Voice 10: You

[3:28:43] Voice 19: have to inform Trustee Morrison that we are interested in perceiving.

[3:28:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[3:28:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): The bottom of page 268 is the motion.

[3:28:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): And if you just enter it under I will.

[3:28:55] Voice 23: This is not folded, which is the part that I skimmed right by it and went on to something

[3:29:01] Voice 23: else i didn't even know that there was a promotion i

[3:29:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): just look

[3:29:06] Voice 23: for black when i get down yeah

[3:29:08] Voice 23: so related

[3:29:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): to our own awareness um about the adoption of dark sky principles i just want us

[3:29:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be aware as we think about planning our meeting dark sky principal education moment

[3:29:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): in our meetings at their community information related meeting i

[3:29:27] Voice 23: think it would be good to

[3:29:27] Voice 23: It makes me think that we haven't had great engagement

[3:29:34] Voice 23: at community information.

[3:29:36] Voice 8: I know, I'm not a big fan.

[3:29:37] Voice 8: It

[3:29:38] Voice 23: was a better must.

[3:29:39] Voice 23: It was, the housing, it was a bit more,

[3:29:44] Voice 23: and maybe that is still some momentum, right?

[3:29:50] Voice 23: But I think also it is somewhat related to housing

[3:29:54] Voice 23: and developmental

[3:29:57] Voice 23: dark scatting.

[3:30:00] Voice 23: That video that was presented at the June Council in Salisbury. That would be a good thing to include in

[3:30:12] Voice 6: Actually,

[3:30:19] Voice 23: maybe, maybe we didn't even put it up. Maybe I just watched it. Okay, so I'm

[3:30:26] Voice 23: Just watched it on my computer while we were during a break. But there is well no there is an

[3:30:32] Voice 23: an actual put together video by the the organization that sort of is working on dark

[3:30:40] Voice 23: sky principles um so maybe that's national or across the world kind of thing internationally

[3:30:48] Voice 23: so that would be something that if we can have access to that we could play it's only a few

[3:30:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): minutes

[3:30:55] Voice 23: long seven seven minutes okay so

[3:30:58] Voice 23: maybe

[3:30:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): when we will come back to this i think when we

[3:31:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): do our meetings but maybe we should just like somehow pin this in our heads like that we want

[3:31:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): some kind of education component of dark sky principles as we build out our agendas for this

[3:31:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): year okay um i don't know how to do that brad am i confusing us i

[3:31:17] Voice 23: think we would just just save

[3:31:19] Voice 23: just save it and when we go to name sort of the what are what our community information

[3:31:25] Voice 23: mentioned meetings are going to be about okay that's

[3:31:30] Voice 20: not good okay okay okay

[3:31:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then next

[3:31:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): week we'll talk more about the other two things at trust council and we can kind of come back

[3:31:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay all

[3:31:39] Voice 19: right so 17.2 we have the base for community engagement options policy statement

[3:31:46] Voice 19: amendment project jason has been patiently waiting

[3:31:50] Voice 19: patiently waiting he looks pretty

[3:31:53] Voice 19: okay go

[3:31:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): for it good

[3:31:58] Voice 1: afternoon trustees uh coming to you today on behalf of trust area services

[3:32:05] Voice 1: uh concerning the island's trust policy statement amendment project the current project charter for

[3:32:10] Voice 1: this initiative indicates that once trust council gives the draft policy statement approval in

[3:32:16] Voice 1: principle that it's going to go out for engagement to local trust committees and that those local

[3:32:22] Voice 1: trust committees would like to have some mechanism by which to hear from their constituents to inform

[3:32:26] Voice 1: local trust committee referral responses back to trust council. So the question really that you're

[3:32:32] Voice 1: being asked today is simply what sort of information you feel you're going to need to

[3:32:36] Voice 1: inform your local trust committee referral response and I guess the sub the sub question

[3:32:41] Voice 1: question there is what kind of on-island presence from trust area services or other staff might you

[3:32:47] Voice 1: expect? And so there's a table on page two of the RFD or the staff report that's in your agenda

[3:32:54] Voice 1: package lays out a number of different options related to how staff might be involved in this

[3:32:59] Voice 1: process of gathering local feedback on the draft policy statement. I'll just note that regardless

[3:33:06] Voice 1: of which local engagement option you choose, your constituents will still be able to share their

[3:33:10] Voice 1: opinions on the document directly with Trust Council in the form of an online survey. And so

[3:33:15] Voice 1: really we're simply asking you, do you want us to come visit your island to talk to your

[3:33:21] Voice 1: constituents and gather feedback from them as part of the policy statement project? Or is that

[3:33:26] Voice 1: something that you just want to do yourself? Do we do it in a regular LTC meeting? Would you like

[3:33:31] Voice 1: it to happen outside of a regular LTC meeting? Is it sufficient to do it online? Do we need to do it

[3:33:35] Voice 1: in person. Most of those options are laid out in the table that starts on page two, but there may

[3:33:41] Voice 1: be options there that we haven't considered that you might have in mind and would like to see

[3:33:45] Voice 1: happen. I

[3:33:49] Voice 23: was just going to say, what did we do last time?

[3:33:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): Last time there was a very poorly

[3:33:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): attended evening meeting that was on the general question of Islands Trust 2050. And I don't want

[3:34:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do that i i would love to do something that no

[3:34:10] Voice 23: i'm just i just know that there was quite a bit of

[3:34:15] Voice 23: negative backlash to the last go-round in this and so i'm curious what the feedback at that time was

[3:34:25] Voice 23: for what people would have accepted as an appropriate because not having been involved

[3:34:31] Voice 23: and then I don't know what everybody's feelings were previous well

[3:34:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): I just have

[3:34:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): a couple quick questions and this is a little

[3:34:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): bit of just for some reason I

[3:34:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't know the answer to this and I should know the answer to this but I

[3:34:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): somehow tuned out on this particular issue

[3:34:47] Voice 1: for a brief

[3:34:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): amount of time so can

[3:34:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): you just be really clear on like is the current draft of the trust policy

[3:34:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): statement that came forward in, I want to say June, right? We got it in, where did we get a

[3:35:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): version in June?

[3:35:03] Voice 1: Yeah, I believe that, I believe you received a version in May.

[3:35:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, May. And

[3:35:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): is that version, that version is publicly available and in circulation, correct?

[3:35:15] Voice 1: It is. The most

[3:35:17] Voice 1: recent edition of the document is the one that was endorsed by Trust Council at its September

[3:35:22] Voice 1: meeting and so at that September meeting Trust Council had taken the May edition and following

[3:35:32] Voice 1: several meetings of Committee of the Whole where further revisions were made to it Trust Council

[3:35:37] Voice 1: endorsed those revisions that had been recommended by Committee of the Whole and so the version

[3:35:42] Voice 1: that's currently available online that is public facing takes the revisions that had come via

[3:35:48] Voice 1: a Committee of the Whole in those few months since the May edition.

[3:35:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. Did... I somehow didn't...

[3:35:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Timing sucks. Okay, so do we know that the language got changed? The number one issue

[3:36:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): I heard in our community was about shall, will, must language. Do you know if that got, or does

[3:36:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): anybody know if that language got more unified, like, so that it's a shall instead of a ought to

[3:36:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): to if you can kind of language so

[3:36:21] Voice 1: um I can't speak to the specific feedback that uh North

[3:36:25] Voice 1: Pender LTC might have received at the time simply because I wasn't involved in the project but I can

[3:36:29] Voice 1: tell you that the document as currently drafted contains two types of policies it contains

[3:36:35] Voice 1: directive policies which are shall policies it says that uh local trust committees and island

[3:36:43] Voice 1: municipalities shall do x whatever the the policy theme is that that we're talking about and then

[3:36:50] Voice 1: there's also advisory policies which are should policies so those are policies where local where

[3:36:57] Voice 1: trust council would like local trust committees to keep a certain something in mind as they move

[3:37:02] Voice 1: forward in their policy and regulation development but they're not going to hold those local trust

[3:37:08] Voice 1: committees or island municipalities to account to actually follow through on it it's sort of a

[3:37:13] Voice 1: a general direction rather than a specific directive so there are there are both kinds of

[3:37:18] Voice 1: policies within the document thank

[3:37:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): you um i will catch up on my reading before next week

[3:37:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): because apparently i'm a little bit behind on that so thank you um but

[3:37:29] Voice 23: as far as engagement

[3:37:31] Voice 23: engagement from the last one was there any specific pros or cons that people presented

[3:37:39] Voice 23: for how either how they appreciated being communicated with or didn't feel like we went

[3:37:48] Voice 23: far enough like just looking at that there's all of these different options that we can trigger

[3:37:53] Voice 23: to try to get it out from you know no no formal engagement on the island to

[3:38:01] Voice 23: really like I think the biggest one is the staff-led community information meeting outside

[3:38:05] Voice 23: of regular LTC business meetings and that comes with advertising engagement materials hall wrangling

[3:38:13] Voice 23: catering a minute taker like there's all they're giving us all these different options and I

[3:38:19] Voice 23: I guess I'm not sure what the best way for us to approve communicating with the island because

[3:38:26] Voice 23: this is something that we've already done once yeah

[3:38:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i i made a mixed mind about it okay like

[3:38:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would go for anything from like um two to four right i think one's a bad move and

[3:38:41] Voice 23: i think five's

[3:38:42] Voice 23: a

[3:38:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): bad move yeah

[3:38:43] Voice 23: i

[3:38:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): guess i'm just

[3:38:45] Voice 23: saying is

[3:38:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): there somewhere let

[3:38:46] Voice 23: me

[3:38:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): finish because i'll answer the

[3:38:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): question that you just have so so i would say that staff led events that were advertised are

[3:38:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): not necessarily reaching the community like and it's not for lack of staff trying to do that

[3:39:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): through like standard engagement practices it's just our community for whatever reason doesn't

[3:39:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): show up in those spaces all the time they're busy they got things to do there's you know stuff going

[3:39:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): on so I think that these particular but however like people want to be able to comment and they

[3:39:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to be able to like find things easily to comment so i think the better move than spending

[3:39:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): a bunch of money doing community engagement in this way i mean i think number two is what i would

[3:39:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): lean toward um and then if we want to use other money or if there is like through your engagement

[3:39:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): strategies for this project if there's a way to do like like a cliff notes communication of how to

[3:39:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): comment right like a flyer that could go out or an email that could go out more broadly personally

[3:39:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would like a flyer so that every household can actually see it because it's going to impact

[3:39:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): everyone um it would be nice to have that just like a one pager that gets inserted with whatever

[3:40:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): and goes out to everyone and says here's how to comment you know here's how to read what it is

[3:40:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): and here's how to comment because what we had last time was a hell of a lot of disinformation

[3:40:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): information that like circulated in different places and we didn't have the biggest issue is

[3:40:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): we didn't have a trustee vetted copy of the trust policy statement it was a staff version and it

[3:40:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): went at that so i would love it if it was a clear understanding of the process like xyz trustees

[3:40:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): have looked at this and made these recommendations which you did and here's where to comment on it

[3:40:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): and here's what kinds of comments we can have and how their next process is going to go for input

[3:40:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's what i would like to see so it's a clear communication about how people can provide input

[3:40:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): and

[3:40:50] Voice 23: where does that fit in i

[3:40:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't know well

[3:40:55] Voice 19: certainly i can say that with the ltcs i'm

[3:40:59] Voice 19: involved with well i think everybody's almost exclusively gone with with option two yeah um

[3:41:03] Voice 19: they one of the perspective i bring is main island um with the last go-around we had two

[3:41:11] Voice 19: two public meetings. It was in the middle of COVID, so they were held outside. Both

[3:41:17] Voice 19: of them, over 100 people attended, and a wide range of feedback, which, as trustees, we

[3:41:24] Voice 19: provided. What I've found is that everything from our island that was put forward was incorporated

[3:41:34] Voice 19: in the new trust policy statement, because literally, since this has rolled out sort

[3:41:40] Voice 19: of into the wild in may i haven't had one person yeah like

[3:41:44] Voice 19: we went from being an over-engaged island

[3:41:46] Voice 19: everybody had a commentary and i couldn't go get a cup of coffee i said go on the ferry i couldn't

[3:41:51] Voice 19: do anything like for months yeah the

[3:41:54] Voice 19: whole island was focused on trust policy statement

[3:41:56] Voice 19: to now we've rolled on a version that literally nobody has any comments on

[3:42:03] Voice 19: and my read is i think we got it right i i do so we have a member of the public who would like to

[3:42:11] Voice 19: speak so can

[3:42:12] Voice 32: i just say that i wasn't even aware it existed yeah so i don't think you're right

[3:42:18] Voice 32: about that i mean i think the community is really really interested in what it is and i think until

[3:42:25] Voice 32: they know it exists you're not going

[3:42:28] Voice 32: to get the feedback yeah the reason you got the feedback last

[3:42:32] Voice 32: time is because it was circulated around informally but effectively yeah and I

[3:42:39] Voice 32: think this time if you take the lead on it and make sure that people know it

[3:42:43] Voice 32: exists you're gonna have a much different response yeah

[3:42:46] Voice 19: so maybe what

[3:42:47] Voice 19: you're suggesting maybe could be in the pen to post the full page ad yeah is

[3:42:52] Voice 19: that the best it

[3:42:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): could be it's not really on the forum I we need a flyer

[3:42:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we can attach digitally and that we can also post because like if you if we have a digital

[3:43:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): flyer with all the information that i just said we can write it into the pender post we can slap

[3:43:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): it onto the forum we can we can do a bunch of different things that

[3:43:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): get it moving and they

[3:43:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): come from us as trustees but that are accurate like the information is accurate i do think you

[3:43:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): need a little bit of information about like the just bullet points not more than like half a page

[3:43:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): of bullet points about the process to get to this point and uh like a half a page bullets of like

[3:43:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): what's the next steps that are going to happen going forward like how are these revisions how

[3:43:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): is anybody's feedback actually going to impact the document right because that's also part of

[3:43:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): the issue when we get feedback or not we

[3:43:41] Voice 8: just get a

[3:43:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): bunch of strands and also like don't comment on

[3:43:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): facebook that's not a legal procedure so like

[3:43:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): that would be nice you know the

[3:43:48] Voice 32: other thing is

[3:43:49] Voice 32: the reason people knew about it is because there was a flyer in everybody's mailbox from another

[3:43:56] Voice 32: group that's right yeah and if the trust takes the lead and sends out that kind of flyer to

[3:44:02] Voice 32: everybody's mailbox that would make a big difference it's worth it in this situation

[3:44:09] Voice 32: so

[3:44:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): no so my goal would be number two no in person from staff i think that's not helpful in our

[3:44:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): context here i think that the better it's like people read it here people do read the documents

[3:44:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we just need clarity on where to go would

[3:44:22] Voice 23: it be a hybrid though then of two and three um

[3:44:26] Voice 6: no i don't i don't think we do

[3:44:28] Voice 23: it at the town hall but we also have engagement materials

[3:44:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[3:44:34] Voice 23: because we're gonna see

[3:44:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): what you're saying yeah we're

[3:44:36] Voice 23: gonna want to do a mail out

[3:44:39] Voice 23: we're going to want to advertise and do a mail out but we would rather provide the in-person

[3:44:45] Voice 23: information at a town hall during regular ltc yeah yeah does that make sense we don't need

[3:44:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): staff there so i think you're right it is probably three if i may um

[3:45:03] Voice 1: just jump in before before the

[3:45:05] Voice 1: conversation continues too much further this is now the second local trust committee that i've

[3:45:09] Voice 1: have heard from this week that would like to see a direct to resident mail out go out potentially

[3:45:15] Voice 1: largely like of an educational nature and also providing them information about how to

[3:45:20] Voice 1: how to um connect with us and and share their their impressions the current project budget

[3:45:26] Voice 1: that is being proposed for this does not uh incorporate that so i so i mention this now

[3:45:32] Voice 1: so that uh when you're at trust council next week and the subject of funding this project comes up

[3:45:39] Voice 1: just please keep that in mind if that is something that you would like to see budgeted for in the

[3:45:44] Voice 1: project you may have to advocate for it at that time how

[3:45:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): much does it cost to do a direct mail

[3:45:51] Voice 1: out

[3:45:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): for our island do you have any idea i

[3:45:53] Voice 1: i don't actually know on an island by island basis i know

[3:45:56] Voice 1: trust wide it costs somewhere between eight thousand and ten thousand dollars and can we

[3:46:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): use our money to do it

[3:46:02] Voice 10: i know in galliano that you can just do a letter drop oh yeah which is

[3:46:07] Voice 10: is way cheaper than addressed letters and it essentially just takes a stack of them and they

[3:46:13] Voice 10: put it in every mailbox that's a

[3:46:16] Voice 10: much cheaper budget a little less

[3:46:18] Voice 10: personal election

[3:46:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): at one

[3:46:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): point so yeah it's not very much so can we use our like if we just the rltc wants to do it but

[3:46:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): not every lpc wants to can we just use arms we

[3:46:29] Voice 9: would have budget that just

[3:46:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): missionary budget

[3:46:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah i'm game for that so jason what

[3:46:33] Voice 19: i would suggest in preparation for trust council next

[3:46:36] Voice 19: suite because the question will probably come up is that there's a direct mail option but also

[3:46:42] Voice 19: there's sort of that ad mail that that mail drop thing uh because i don't trust the local government

[3:46:48] Voice 19: we do get into every mailbox it's not junk mail um so probably that number would be appreciated

[3:46:55] Voice 19: okay um at trust council just i know the question is going to get asked probably by trustee morrison

[3:47:00] Voice 19: So giving you a heads up would allow you to give the right answer.

[3:47:06] Voice 19: There's an alternative

[3:47:07] Voice 23: resolution that requests the following form of local engagement.

[3:47:15] Voice 23: If we've got something that's not listed above that, that we would like to look at.

[3:47:20] Voice 23: So would we?

[3:47:21] Voice 23: Yeah,

[3:47:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would like us to put a motion on the table now and we can put it contingent, Jason, based on what happens next week in trust council.

[3:47:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): but otherwise we're at the end of january before we can do anything and i'd like to

[3:47:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): kind of get ahead of ourselves a little bit

[3:47:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): um so it would be the following form so it'd be a mail

[3:47:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): out and can we just say mail out and you can figure out the details of what that would be

[3:47:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah okay um i do i would like to just warn when when i feel like it's a warning um when you're

[3:47:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): creating a mail out especially for the north pender island local community don't advocate in

[3:47:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): in any way for the policy.

[3:47:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't explain it, just say what's happened so far

[3:48:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): to create it, give the link for it,

[3:48:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): and what's the next steps.

[3:48:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because if there's

[3:48:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): any kind of staff summary

[3:48:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): of what are the highlights of the point,

[3:48:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): it will be seen as advocacy here and it's problematic.

[3:48:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): So don't do it, okay?

[3:48:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that would be my advice.

[3:48:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): Everybody will read and they will understand

[3:48:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it will be in conversation.

[3:48:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): So shall I go ahead?

[3:48:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes, sure.

[3:48:24] Voice 14: Okay, that the

[3:48:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[3:48:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): request, a community mail drop, I'm going to use that language for now, for phase four

[3:48:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): community engagement about the new draft policy statement.

[3:48:40] Voice 19: Okay, so seconded. For discussion, call question.

[3:48:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm just going to name it. We're going to assume that the funding, we'll sort out the

[3:48:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): funding. It'll either come from us or it'll come from Trust Council. And if you need a

[3:48:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): resolution without meeting, if the Trust Council doesn't fund it, we can just do that.

[3:48:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): We'll figure that out. Okay.

[3:48:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay

[3:48:59] Voice 19: yes so call questions all in favor

[3:49:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[3:49:02] Voice 19: um so but can

[3:49:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): we go back to the other one so sorry

[3:49:05] Voice 19: yeah so that was going to ask so then we go back to the recommendation number the recommendation

[3:49:11] Voice 19: and that would be number two i

[3:49:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): think it's number two and aaron like it's just a question of whether

[3:49:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): we need advertising funds or not because i feel like if we do it as number two and we just include

[3:49:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversations in our town halls like our regular scheduled town halls or community information

[3:49:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): in our meetings going forward for the next year we just bring it up like any other comments about

[3:49:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): the trust policy statement we need to bring forward do you have uh

[3:49:38] Voice 23: no i'm good i'm good

[3:49:41] Voice 23: i'm more reading i thought that the purpose of the alternative was to replace the first one

[3:49:52] Voice 23: I

[3:49:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): think it's an and. I personally think

[3:49:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's also like people who want to talk about it too

[3:49:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): and get a little more clarification as they go. So I think we can probably handle that

[3:50:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): to some degree. But so I think we should also include it on the town hall kind of conversation

[3:50:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): and whatever materials you're producing for other spaces, if you are, it would be great to have those

[3:50:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): for us.

[3:50:14] Voice 1: Sure. I just will be taking all the feedback that we're receiving from the local

[3:50:19] Voice 1: trust committees and we'll wind up walking that in um to your meeting next week at trust council

[3:50:23] Voice 1: anyways just to help uh trust council and executive committee understand what it is that

[3:50:28] Voice 1: we've been hearing from each local trust committee as we've asked this question and how that might be

[3:50:32] Voice 1: appropriately resourced okay

[3:50:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i think i will go ahead then and also do a second motion related to

[3:50:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): this so that the north pender island local trust committee select engagement option number two

[3:50:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): for phase four of the community engagement in addition to the mail drop

[3:50:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): about the new draft

[3:50:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): policy statement you know

[3:50:57] Voice 19: the discussion called question on the table that carries okay all right

[3:51:04] Voice 19: thank you jason for your fine words and we'll see you next week and

[3:51:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): jason just just um as you

[3:51:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): prepped for next week i do think as far as i can tell from our conversation today that if if it's

[3:51:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): only two or three ltcs that want to do mail drops we will paper it out of our budget okay i uh

[3:51:24] Voice 1: hopefully that will become a conversation on the floor at dress council thank you very much

[3:51:28] Voice 1: can

[3:51:29] Voice 10: we just back up and get what the action was because i was multitasking oh no problems

[3:51:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, doesn't

[3:51:34] Voice 10: this be number two, number two, number two.

[3:51:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, thank

[3:51:39] Voice 19: you.

[3:51:43] Voice 19: At least we were paying attention.

[3:51:44] Voice 12: All right, so

[3:51:46] Voice 19: now, next up, we're talking about our meeting schedule.

[3:51:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:51:54] Voice 19: And this is good.

[3:51:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I have two questions about the meeting schedule.

[3:51:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes.

[3:51:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Can the January meeting be a Saturday?

[3:52:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know if that's something we can do on a fly or if we need to.

[3:52:06] Voice 23: cannot be january cannot be february because

[3:52:10] Voice 20: it

[3:52:11] Voice 23: doesn't matter where in the world i am

[3:52:13] Voice 23: i will not go to a meeting on my birthday

[3:52:16] Voice 20: oh it's your birthday

[3:52:18] Voice 20: not

[3:52:19] Voice 23: a chance they suddenly

[3:52:21] Voice 19: dropped that

[3:52:21] Voice 19: i

[3:52:22] Voice 23: will be so far into tequila you don't want me making any decisions for anybody else's

[3:52:30] Voice 23: but that

[3:52:31] Voice 18: is a meeting i want to go to yeah yeah

[3:52:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we before the week after okay yeah so

[3:52:36] Voice 10: um i think

[3:52:39] Voice 10: that would be your next regular meeting and i'm

[3:52:42] Voice 10: not sure what you would be presenting

[3:52:44] Voice 10: at a saturday cim at that time versus um like i think also last year with your meeting schedule

[3:52:53] Voice 10: you had such a wide gap between meetings that i'm hesitant like you kind of got in trouble with

[3:52:58] Voice 10: with the hussain application and that we are electronic because we

[3:53:02] Voice 10: were trying to fill that

[3:53:03] Voice 10: gap my advice would be to leave your regular meeting schedule as it is and if you want a

[3:53:08] Voice 1: saturday

[3:53:09] Voice 10: meeting then maybe look at like mid to late february and

[3:53:12] Voice 10: that would allow some of your

[3:53:13] Voice 10: business to be received in january and then you would have more of a clear idea of what to talk

[3:53:18] Voice 10: about maybe at that meeting we can present a draft action plan for further community consultation

[3:53:24] Voice 10: and bring the Raptor information back.

[3:53:29] Voice 10: So

[3:53:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm game for that.

[3:53:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): My biggest question about a community information meeting is,

[3:53:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it's a little bit to do with the decision we just made,

[3:53:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): is whether we want to have a little bit of time for folks that can't attend on a Friday

[3:53:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): because of work to come and have conversations with us more informally,

[3:53:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): but a set time to do it around the trust policy statement.

[3:53:49] Voice 23: I'm going to be away.

[3:53:51] Voice 23: way. Okay.

[3:53:53] Voice 23: So I was the on Zoom. Okay. When

[3:53:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): are you back?

[3:53:58] Voice 19: So the Friday, January 3rd was not

[3:54:01] Voice 19: interviewing the birthday? No. Okay. So that's, I mean, okay.

[3:54:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): Some Saturday time. So maybe I just need to understand a little bit more clearly to the

[3:54:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): timeline for the trust policy statement engagement window, because it might be after you get back

[3:54:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): anyway and maybe a few months of stewing in community is good anyway so like maybe it's

[3:54:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): whenever you're back in like april or something like that yeah so

[3:54:26] Voice 19: well i guess i know the regional

[3:54:29] Voice 19: planning manager has popped up to the screen so i think he might have some insight into our

[3:54:33] Voice 19: i think

[3:54:34] Voice 26: i think you passed by what i'm going to say now but i was just going to inform the ltc

[3:54:37] Voice 26: that for january 31st there's already two maybe three applications on the agenda plus the projects

[3:54:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah no we got that yeah we're good okay okay yeah thank you no

[3:54:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i think it's a good point

[3:54:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): too that maybe we just need a little more time to have people like dig in and read it and think

[3:54:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): about it so we can like circulate that for so but just what's the timeline on it coming back

[3:54:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): for any decision is it june next year like the trust policy well i can't

[3:55:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): believe it's march

[3:55:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's budget no

[3:55:05] Voice 19: it was right now we don't know when first reading is gonna happen so first reading

[3:55:12] Voice 19: could happen next week which with that because that's sort of that's the next big step yeah so

[3:55:19] Voice 19: we're and and that that starts going down to the to the final feedback to the project

[3:55:24] Voice 19: so i'm assuming within the next six months is when we want to consolidate that information

[3:55:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): so april is april okay what are you back here

[3:55:35] Voice 23: well this is so this is i had mentioned this

[3:55:39] Voice 23: uh could we maybe move the march meeting into just the beginning of april

[3:55:45] Voice 8: um the

[3:55:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): march um yeah

[3:55:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): i couldn't do the march meeting on the day it was anyway so i'm going to be in philadelphia

[3:55:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i would have to do either march 21st or april 4th or slightly fourth

[3:56:02] Voice 10: it's better for me

[3:56:03] Voice 10: perfect okay

[3:56:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): so if we can do that that's good

[3:56:06] Voice 10: that's just april 4th is a friday yeah that was

[3:56:11] Voice 10: And then your Saturday meetings, you're just going to leave for now?

[3:56:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is that what I'm hearing?

[3:56:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm going to leave them on the calendar.

[3:56:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): If we're going to have a Saturday meeting, I need it on the calendar.

[3:56:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): Why

[3:56:18] Voice 10: don't you look at one in April then?

[3:56:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): So do you want to pick a date?

[3:56:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, wait, there's one date in April I know I can't make.

[3:56:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): I just can't see it on my calendar.

[3:56:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's Easter too.

[3:56:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): Easter, okay.

[3:56:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, here we go.

[3:56:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:56:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. So, yeah, as we get toward the end of April, I think I get complicated.

[3:56:45] Voice 23: When is Easter this year?

[3:56:49] Voice 23: Sunday, April 20th is the Easter weekend.

[3:56:56] Voice 23: So 18 is Friday?

[3:56:58] Voice 23: Yeah.

[3:56:59] Voice 8: I don't think we're going to be going on the 2026.

[3:57:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm like, this doesn't look right.

[3:57:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): So

[3:57:03] Voice 23: if we did April 4 for the Friday meeting and then 12th would be the Saturday?

[3:57:14] Voice 19: So basically you have the 12th and 26th would be your two.

[3:57:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): The 26th is not an option.

[3:57:20] Voice 24: So it

[3:57:20] Voice 19: would be the 12th.

[3:57:22] Voice 24: Yes, go ahead.

[3:57:24] Voice 24: The 12th is A, B, I, C, C.

[3:57:27] Voice 24: Oh, okay.

[3:57:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): And the other option that we could do is if we did it right at the beginning of...

[3:57:33] Voice 18: see

[3:57:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): why isn't that

[3:57:35] Voice 18: in my calendar

[3:57:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): 10th like the 10th of may is another option

[3:57:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): i

[3:57:39] Voice 18: don't

[3:57:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): know what that looks like but the 10th of may gets us i think in enough advanced time

[3:57:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): for stuff to be incorporated before june i don't know if that's true because it's so

[3:57:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): much in advance and that we don't know if that's true so basically i think it has to be

[3:57:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): meeting. I don't have to be

[3:57:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): happy about it.

[3:58:01] Voice 8: Sorry, Brad, what were you about

[3:58:03] Voice 8: to say about the 12th?

[3:58:05] Voice 10: You just had a meeting

[3:58:07] Voice 10: before that.

[3:58:09] Voice 10: Yeah, and then

[3:58:10] Voice 8: it's

[3:58:10] Voice 10: true, one is

[3:58:12] Voice 10: a special meeting, that's what you'd

[3:58:15] Voice 10: be scheduling on Saturdays,

[3:58:17] Voice 10: special meetings that are topics

[3:58:19] Voice 10: specifically. April 12th

[3:58:21] Voice 10: was for me. Yeah, I would

[3:58:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): go for the

[3:58:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): 12th. I think that's early enough to influence

[3:58:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): anything for staff, so that we're not too

[3:58:35] Voice 19: I don't think it's critical that I would have to attend no

[3:58:39] Voice 6: not really it's just

[3:58:40] Voice 19: our meetings or

[3:58:41] Voice 19: yeah the the the weekend it's about the trust policy statement and all that that's your

[3:58:45] Voice 19: gathering of information don't get any motions there won't be any it's literally a community

[3:58:50] Voice 19: any information it doesn't need to be recorded no yeah

[3:58:55] Voice 10: all meetings need to be

[3:58:59] Voice 19: no but a minute

[3:59:01] Voice 19: but not recording yeah but the zoom is an option that's not a requirement but

[3:59:08] Voice 23: that's how we get

[3:59:09] Voice 23: our minutes taken like

[3:59:11] Voice 10: we would be on zoom still but you're not okay like you wouldn't have this

[3:59:17] Voice 10: camera yeah you

[3:59:18] Voice 10: could still be on zoom with staff right yeah i think i

[3:59:24] Voice 10: would go for the 12th then

[3:59:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): because i want to make it early enough that it's feasible i'd like us both to both be in person

[3:59:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay

[3:59:31] Voice 31: well

[3:59:33] Voice 8: yeah

[3:59:35] Voice 10: you need a motion so what i'm hearing is that you're moving your friday

[3:59:41] Voice 10: March 28th meeting to April

[3:59:43] Voice 10: 4th and you

[3:59:45] Voice 10: are scheduling

[3:59:47] Voice 10: a Saturday special

[3:59:49] Voice 10: meeting on

[3:59:54] Voice 10: 12th

[3:59:55] Voice 10: and that's the

[3:59:57] Voice 10: Saturday meeting you want to add to your calendar for now

[4:00:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know if we'll need a housing one later, but I kind of want to wait for the housing stuff to unfold.

[4:00:07] Voice 23: I would think, like, August or something like that.

[4:00:13] Voice 23: The Dark Skies

[4:00:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): will be on this agenda, too, so

[4:00:18] Voice 23: we'll incorporate that.

[4:00:19] Voice 23: I mean, if it doesn't have to be decided.

[4:00:23] Voice 23: You don't need to decide now.

[4:00:24] Voice 23: I don't know that the one

[4:00:25] Voice 10: and then you should pass a resolution adopting your draft.

[4:00:31] Voice 10: meeting schedule as amended.

[4:00:33] Voice 10: And I will put in follow up action with those minutes.

[4:00:36] Voice 6: Okay, so

[4:00:37] Voice 23: that the north pender island is.

[4:00:43] Voice 23: Somewhere there.

[4:00:46] Voice 6: And then I also just.

[4:00:50] Voice 6: Let's finish this person.

[4:00:55] Voice 23: that the north bender island local trust committee approved their january 2025 to

[4:01:00] Voice 23: march 2026 meeting schedule as amended so that

[4:01:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): community permission meeting read on the 12th

[4:01:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): it'll be about the trust policy statement and we'll also discuss the dark sky so we can decide

[4:01:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): sign that in January yeah just but just so we're following that with most of it okay and um just

[4:01:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): because I had trouble with this meeting not being on my calendar I just need to restate because Russ

[4:01:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): and I had an agreement that my two dev morrison and gmail would also be incorporated in all my

[4:01:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): meeting agendas so that they get on my calendar

[4:01:33] Voice 31: for you to work with jazz

[4:01:36] Voice 10: and other stuff okay

[4:01:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): so who

[4:01:37] Voice 10: who do I

[4:01:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): talk to about that because I don't want to miss

[4:01:39] Voice 10: a meeting sent a note to jazz

[4:01:41] Voice 10: jazz

[4:01:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay you

[4:01:42] Voice 10: already sent her on to make sure did I

[4:01:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): do it to jazz

[4:01:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[4:01:47] Voice 19: Perfect.

[4:01:48] Voice 19: But between them all, they should be able to do anything.

[4:01:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): I just don't want to miss a meeting.

[4:01:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't want to be frustrated.

[4:01:53] Voice 19: Ultimately, as well.

[4:01:54] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:01:55] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:01:56] Voice 19: So we're settled on that?

[4:01:58] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:01:59] Voice 19: Already.

[4:02:00] Voice 19: So now-

[4:02:01] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:02:01] Voice 8: There's two other things we must do, and then we're good to go.

[4:02:04] Voice 8: I need to talk at the top

[4:02:07] Voice 19: of the meeting.

[4:02:07] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:02:08] Voice 19: We have the motions here.

[4:02:10] Voice 19: So we have two motions from Trustee Morris and-

[4:02:15] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:02:16] I'll just-

[4:02:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'll just-

[4:02:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, here we go. Okay, so the first one is just about the meeting minutes.

[4:02:26] Voice 6: Okay,

[4:02:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): here we go. And I'll forward this to you.

[4:02:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. Okay, so I move that an asterisk be added to the July 26 2024 minutes prior to approval after the section on page three of eight of the meeting minutes that states

[4:03:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): the quote from the prior minutes.

[4:03:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): While it's not known at the time of the variance approval,

[4:03:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): the landowner through their family foundation

[4:03:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): made a significant donation

[4:03:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): to the Raincoast Conservation Foundation,

[4:03:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): which points to their interest

[4:03:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): in protection of the island, unquote.

[4:03:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): Additionally, at the bottom of that page

[4:03:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the meeting minutes, add the note, quote, asterisk,

[4:03:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): Raincoast Conservation did not work

[4:03:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the landowner on Resder Point

[4:03:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): to have a community or conservancy benefit

[4:03:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): in any interactions with the family foundation, unquote.

[4:03:34] Voice 19: Thank

[4:03:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): you for that correction or addition.

[4:03:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): And then there was also one other thing and I talked with Robert Kojima about it, about

[4:03:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): the down zoning idea that was brought up.

[4:03:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): So he suggested that the way to go forward instead of adding it to the meeting agenda

[4:03:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): was to put a motion on the table.

[4:03:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i'm going to put the motion on the table for a conversation um and i think i'm sorry lucy

[4:04:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): weren't just forward this to you too um okay so and the motion would be

[4:04:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): uh oh here it is um that staff be requested to or sorry that the north pender island local trust

[4:04:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): committee requests that staff report back with a summary of options implications associated with

[4:04:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): down zoning and i don't have the address in front of me i just have

[4:04:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): the razor point property but if

[4:04:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): somebody could add the address to the motion

[4:04:34] Voice 10: six zero one six

[4:04:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): zero one nine six

[4:04:37] Voice 10: six zero one six

[4:04:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): six zero one razor point property okay

[4:04:42] Voice 20: seconded yeah

[4:04:45] Voice 19: discussion no

[4:04:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): i think it's just it's an

[4:04:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): option i haven't thought about it and i think it's worthwhile yeah

[4:04:50] Voice 19: okay so call a question

[4:04:51] Voice 19: on the barrier that carries all right so that was what are you

[4:04:56] Voice 8: requesting me oh

[4:04:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): my forward it's your

[4:05:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): cc on the email here just that the staff um come back with a summary of options and implications

[4:05:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): for down zoning all

[4:05:11] Voice 19: right so now we have a town hall if anybody is in questions or comments

[4:05:17] Voice 19: No hands? All right then.

[4:05:21] Voice 31: I'm sorry.

[4:05:24] Voice 19: Go ahead.

[4:05:29] Voice 21: May I speak? Absolutely. This is your opportunity.

[4:05:33] Voice 21: Michael Sketch, North Pender Island. Two things,

[4:05:37] Voice 21: if I heard you correctly, you're at least considering or

[4:05:41] Voice 21: an opportunity to downsizing that route.

[4:05:44] Voice 21: and just be aware

[4:05:46] Voice 21: that the next LTC

[4:05:47] Voice 21: could be a position for an upzoning

[4:05:49] Voice 21: so we're going to be really careful

[4:05:52] Voice 21: about the downzoning that it's reasonable

[4:05:54] Voice 21: and fair and specifically with the rest of it

[4:05:56] Voice 21: with rationale etc otherwise

[4:05:58] Voice 21: it's going to be upzoning with money

[4:05:59] Voice 21: and all the politics

[4:06:01] Voice 21: that happens. And the other

[4:06:04] Voice 21: I've mentioned this several times but there

[4:06:06] Voice 21: is a project

[4:06:08] Voice 21: with the Trust Programs Committee for

[4:06:10] Voice 21: a community benefit land

[4:06:11] Voice 21: land trust proposal, wherein land is owned by, paid for by the regional district or taxpayer

[4:06:18] Voice 21: or something, and owned by a trust council who can own land, and then used by the community

[4:06:24] Voice 21: for things like this terrible discussion we've had about where on earth a business can go.

[4:06:31] Voice 21: And if you had a decent-sized bit of land, and don't forget that I have heard rumors,

[4:06:38] Voice 21: and I don't know this personally,

[4:06:39] Voice 21: that the island land in due course will be up for sale.

[4:06:43] Voice 21: So there's some industrial zone land

[4:06:46] Voice 21: that may be coming up for sale.

[4:06:47] Voice 21: And if it was taken on by Trust Council,

[4:06:50] Voice 21: the Community Development Land Trust,

[4:06:51] Voice 21: you would have access to land to do stuff with.

[4:06:56] Voice 21: And that project has not even been mentioned

[4:07:00] Voice 21: by the Trust Programmes Committee.

[4:07:01] Voice 21: It was taken on to the project years ago and it's just sat.

[4:07:05] Voice 21: And I can't imagine there aren't other islands with similar problems.

[4:07:10] Voice 21: Thank you.

[4:07:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): Maybe just one comment about that.

[4:07:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): I do remember that because I think it's a really interesting idea.

[4:07:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): And we did originally have conversations about that,

[4:07:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): like when I first became a trustee with the CRD.

[4:07:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): But the CRD would do a referendum to purchase the property

[4:07:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): to create a taxation base for that.

[4:07:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): And at that time, Dave Hatt was completely unwilling to do that.

[4:07:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): That would be a great project for community to advocate for being able to do a demonstration

[4:07:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): based on that because they there is

[4:07:41] Voice 17: not the only

[4:07:42] Voice 19: way to be funded.

[4:07:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): Well

[4:07:46] Voice 19: thank you everybody.

[4:07:48] Voice 19: If there's nothing else we will move to adjourn right general said we will adjourn thank you.