Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, December 5, 2024

[0:00:08] Trustee Luckham: so good morning everyone and good morning members of the public welcome to uh day three um thursday

[0:00:15] Trustee Luckham: december the fifth the days are marching on this year grateful to be here on coast salish

[0:00:21] Trustee Luckham: territory particularly um here at the coast bastion hotel in victoria and songheaves and

[0:00:27] Trustee Luckham: esquimalt territory uh lagunquin people um this is an incredibly rich geographic social location

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: that has fostered generations and generations

[0:00:41] Trustee Luckham: of Coast Salish people since time immemorial.

[0:00:46] Trustee Luckham: Just want to acknowledge that.

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham: We are going to be going in camera.

[0:00:52] Trustee Luckham: It's really important today.

[0:00:53] Trustee Luckham: We've got guests coming.

[0:00:55] Trustee Luckham: We've got a break at 10 o'clock

[0:00:57] Trustee Luckham: and we need to keep ourselves on time.

[0:01:00] Trustee Luckham: So if we need to have more in-camera conversation,

[0:01:03] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to suggest that we would break from in-camera,

[0:01:05] Trustee Luckham: have our break have our guests and come back to that but hopefully we can make

[0:01:11] Trustee Luckham: our conversations succinct and to the point and move forward I'm going to turn

[0:01:17] Trustee Luckham: to Deb Morrison who has a motion prepared that

[0:01:22] Voice 8: the meeting be closed to

[0:01:24] Voice 8: the public subject to sections 91 a and C of the Community Charter in order to

[0:01:29] Voice 8: consider matters related to personal information about an identifiable

[0:01:33] Voice 8: individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer,

[0:01:37] Voice 8: employee, or agent of the municipality, or another

[0:01:40] Voice 8: appointed by the municipality in employee relations, and that the

[0:01:44] Voice 8: interim chief administrative officer and chief

[0:01:47] Voice 8: administrative officer attend the meeting.

[0:01:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Sam Orthwick. Thank you, Sam.

[0:01:56] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor? Thank

[0:01:59] Trustee Luckham: you very much. Please lower your hands.

[0:02:01] Trustee Luckham: And anybody opposed?

[0:02:04] Trustee Luckham: None opposed.

[0:02:06] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[0:02:07] Trustee Luckham: So let us cease

[0:02:09] Voice 23: the recording and the live streaming.

[0:02:10] Voice 23: And back to order.

[0:15:15] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Council, for coming back.

[0:15:17] Trustee Luckham: And thank you for members of the public joining us.

[0:15:20] Trustee Luckham: And I am so very pleased to welcome Jane Fuller from the San Juan County joining us in person.

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham: And Cindy Wolfe will be joining us online, also from San Juan County.

[0:15:35] Trustee Luckham: And Christine Minney not joining us, but certainly the body that is responsible for the governance in San Juan County.

[0:15:44] Trustee Luckham: And we have this trans-border protocol relationship with San Juan County that I've participated in since I've been on Executive Committee and Trust Council, which is so many, many years.

[0:15:59] Trustee Luckham: And Director Frater may be able to actually tell us how many that's been, a long time.

[0:16:03] Trustee Luckham: And it's been very, very fruitful to discuss common issues around our work and their work in Puget Sound and the state of the sea.

[0:16:13] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to turn to you in a moment, Jane, but I think out of fairness, what I'd like to do is introduce my counsel to you.

[0:16:22] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to start on the left hand, my left hand side there with Ben and just ask you quickly to go around, introduce yourself and your island that you're representing.

[0:16:32] Trustee Luckham: And then we'll get to Jane in due course.

[0:16:35] Voice 29: Yeah. Hi, Ben Maberly. I'm trustee for Galliano Island.

[0:16:39] Voice 29: And I have to admit that this summer, for the first time, I was with Lee and his family, took a trip down to Friday Harbour and was really pleased.

[0:16:52] Voice 29: I mean, it was it was a really good experience. So, yeah, it was nice to get down there.

[0:16:56] Voice 29: Yeah.

[0:17:00] Voice 2: Yeah. Thank you for coming. Lee Middleton from Saturna Island.

[0:17:03] Voice 2: And we actually see San Juan County and I've been looking at San Juan County for over a decade and had never been until this summer.

[0:17:10] Voice 2: work. And so it was great. So thanks for coming.

[0:17:16] Voice 26: Sam Borthwick from to stay at Demmon Island. We

[0:17:19] Voice 26: met this morning over breakfast. We're at the far opposite end. I can't see. I can't even see

[0:17:25] Voice 26: your islands from where I am. But yeah, very glad to have you here. Aaron Campbell from North

[0:17:31] Voice 26: Pender Island. Joe Bernardo from

[0:17:36] Voice 11: Keats Island, also known as Lictine in the language of the

[0:17:39] Voice 11: Squamish people and we're way up north in Howe Sound so sometimes we can see the

[0:17:46] Voice 11: San Juan Islands.

[0:17:51] Trustee Patrick: Laura Patrick from Salt Spring Island, territories of the

[0:17:53] Trustee Patrick: Tsenchath and Hul'q'umi'num speaking peoples. And outside on the table, that's my

[0:17:58] Trustee Patrick: map out there in the Salish Sea. I encourage all of you to look at it and

[0:18:01] Trustee Patrick: realize that we are one group of islands with the San Juans.

[0:18:08] Voice 18: Kate Stamford, Gambier

[0:18:10] Voice 18: Island, also known as Chautnavich in Howe Sound,

[0:18:14] Voice 18: and Canada's newest biosphere, Alcatraz in Howe Sound.

[0:18:18] Voice 18: We

[0:18:22] Voice 8: have Morrison, North Pender Island's dais.

[0:18:25] Voice 8: We're also responsible for the associated islands that

[0:18:28] Voice 8: come right up against all the San Juan spaces

[0:18:32] Voice 8: and the waters flow between us.

[0:18:37] Voice 4: Tim Peterson, I looked on Huete, Laskiti Island, and just reflecting,

[0:18:43] Voice 4: looking at that map, that in terms of pre-colonial times,

[0:18:47] Voice 4: it's clear that the invisible line that we have as a border

[0:18:52] Voice 4: that did not exist and had no meaning pre-colonial.

[0:18:59] Voice 14: David Maud from Main Island, and also behind me

[0:19:02] Voice 14: is my fellow trustee, Janine Dodds,

[0:19:04] Voice 14: who is away from a microphone, so I'll speak for her.

[0:19:07] Voice 14: She can see you from her window.

[0:19:11] Trustee Luckham: Well, Peter Luck, I'm elected on Ditas Island.

[0:19:13] Trustee Luckham: If I fly my drone up my place, I can see it.

[0:19:17] Voice 1: And

[0:19:17] Trustee Luckham: being a mariner, you get glimpses of San Juan's through numerous locations.

[0:19:23] Trustee Luckham: And I enjoy wearing this, what I call sort of a badge of courage.

[0:19:27] Trustee Luckham: That's the Salish Sea, and that's definitely where we live.

[0:19:33] Voice 19: Good morning.

[0:19:35] Voice 19: Toby Elliott, Gabriela Island in Sineamuk First Nation Territory.

[0:19:39] Voice 19: I guess my connection to San Juan's would be the Port Towns and Wooden Boat Festival.

[0:19:44] Voice 19: I've been doing a documentary on the oldest sailboat in Canada, and the logbooks dating

[0:19:49] Voice 19: back to 1902 tell lots of sailing and regattas back and forth across the border.

[0:19:55] Voice 19: Thank you for coming today.

[0:20:00] Voice 9: Judy Getty from Bowen Island, Lekwemikwem, in the Far East, Howe Sound, and yeah, the

[0:20:05] Voice 9: newest UN biosphere.

[0:20:12] Voice 5: Mikaela Laroni from Laskiti Island, Hoyatay, yeah, I've been to the Port Town's

[0:20:17] Voice 5: Wooden Boat Festival and just such a beautiful

[0:20:19] Voice 5: area down there.

[0:20:22] Voice 16: Christina Evans from Sudea, South

[0:20:24] Voice 16: of Henda and my husband's

[0:20:26] Voice 16: grandfather's property looks directly

[0:20:28] Voice 16: at the San Juan Islands, which is

[0:20:30] Voice 16: gorgeous, one of my favorite places on

[0:20:32] Voice 16: the island.

[0:20:39] Voice 6: Susan Yates for the Gabriola Local

[0:20:41] Voice 6: Trust Area, which also includes the

[0:20:43] Voice 6: Corsi and Mudge Islands

[0:20:44] Voice 6: and it's in Snuneymux territory.

[0:20:50] Voice 20: Elisa Gourouf,

[0:20:51] Voice 20: I'm a delegate on Galliano Island. I'm also the

[0:20:53] Voice 20: Vice Chair for Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:20:56] Voice 20: Thanks for being here today.

[0:20:59] Voice 21: See well and fast.

[0:21:00] Voice 21: I'm also with Judy Getty from Bowen Island, known as Nuhulelequim.

[0:21:06] Voice 21: I'm a municipal trustee, as Judy is, because we're the only island municipality within the Islands Trust area.

[0:21:14] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[0:21:15] Trustee Luckham: And just want to represent our staff as well, whom your staff would engage with.

[0:21:21] Trustee Luckham: And I'm, oh, yeah, sorry, online initially.

[0:21:25] Trustee Luckham: And I'm also noting that I don't see Cindy Wolfe joining us yet, but perhaps she will, and I'll come to Jane and ask her to introduce you.

[0:21:34] Trustee Luckham: But, yeah, I'm going to just look at the screen and just go.

[0:21:37] Trustee Luckham: Ken Hunter, say hi.

[0:21:39] Voice 14: Good morning, Ken Hunter from Thetis Island.

[0:21:41] Voice 14: Welcome to Victoria.

[0:21:44] Trustee Luckham: David Graham.

[0:21:46] Trustee Luckham: Welcome.

[0:21:47] Trustee Luckham: David, locally elected on Devon Island.

[0:21:50] Trustee Luckham: Jamie Harris.

[0:21:53] Voice 24: Thank you.

[0:21:54] Voice 24: Thank you. My name is Trustee Harris, Jamie Harris, from Salt Spring Island.

[0:21:59] Voice 24: I have been to the San Juans and been down to Friday Harbor, and I applaud the amount of economic sort of tourist development on Friday Harbor.

[0:22:08] Voice 24: It's been done so well and to such a large degree.

[0:22:14] Voice 24: Salt Spring, take some lessons from that. Thank you.

[0:22:17] Trustee Luckham: Mairead Boland.

[0:22:19] Voice 10: Hi, Mairead Boland from Southerner Island. Thank you for joining us.

[0:22:24] Voice 10: I am minded of the fact that I, in the trust area, possibly live closer to you than anybody else,

[0:22:31] Voice 10: being at the east end of Saturna. And were it not for the pig war, I think you might have been

[0:22:37] Voice 10: sitting around the table with us, or the resolution of the pig war, you might have been

[0:22:42] Voice 10: joining us at the table. So I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you.

[0:22:48] Trustee Luckham: So let me just finish with the staff introductions. New to us, actually,

[0:22:53] Trustee Luckham: his first trust council meeting is our new cao uh reuben brony and um um there's uh will be

[0:22:59] Trustee Luckham: opportunities to engage with him further um director of administrative services and interim

[0:23:03] Trustee Luckham: ceo up until a week ago um julia mobs and alexandra uh who i'm sure you've met in your

[0:23:11] Trustee Luckham: conversations uh over engaging you and director claire frader i believe you also conversations

[0:23:17] Trustee Luckham: from her trust area services regional planning services um stephan sermac and lisa down there

[0:23:23] Trustee Luckham: doing our minute taking and recording and daphne back here looking after our technology so thank

[0:23:29] Trustee Luckham: you very much and cindy over to you and or sorry not cindy jane over to you cindy has joined us

[0:23:33] Trustee Luckham: online so i'll let you make oh and david marler

[0:23:37] Voice 1: my

[0:23:40] Trustee Luckham: right hand man who joined at the hip legislative

[0:23:44] Trustee Luckham: legislative services and information systems and a very

[0:23:51] Voice 15: Oh

[0:23:52] Trustee Luckham: Jeffrey

[0:23:53] Trustee Luckham: The works we got everybody here

[0:23:57] Trustee Luckham: Jane over to you and please introduce yourself and I think I see

[0:24:02] Trustee Luckham: Cindy on the screen and

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead

[0:24:07] Voice 28: Thank You chair. Welcome. I really appreciate the welcome

[0:24:10] Voice 28: Welcome. I'm delighted that my seatmate, Council Member Cindy Wolfe, is joining us online.

[0:24:16] Voice 28: So I'm Jane Fuller, San Juan County Council member, currently chair of council, and I

[0:24:23] Voice 28: have been serving for two years of a four-year term. I'm delighted that Cindy is here because

[0:24:27] Voice 28: she's been serving a full term as of December 31, so she brings to this discussion some

[0:24:33] Voice 28: valuable insights and experience and knowledge. Unfortunately, both Cindy and Christine Minnie

[0:24:39] Voice 28: are stepping down at the end of this term so we've had elections you were

[0:24:43] Voice 28: probably familiar with the November 5th election that was took place in the

[0:24:47] Voice 28: United States of America I now as a result of that election have two new

[0:24:51] Voice 28: seat mates and one is named Carrie McVeigh and she is based on San Juan

[0:24:57] Voice 28: Island and will be representing district one another seat mate who will be

[0:25:02] Voice 28: replacing Cindy is Justin Paulson and he represents Orcas Island and Walden

[0:25:08] Voice 28: Island and I represent that's district 2 I represent district 3 which is Lopez

[0:25:13] Voice 28: Island Shaw Island and a few other islands as well so each of the three of

[0:25:17] Voice 28: us have a few different islands we represent I do want to let you all know

[0:25:22] Voice 28: I feel I'm in my homeland I really was I grew up in Canada so I'm a dual citizen

[0:25:28] Voice 28: I was born in the United States which is what enabled me to run for election

[0:25:31] Voice 28: otherwise I couldn't have never imagined I would be a local politician in Canada

[0:25:36] Voice 28: in the United States, but here I am.

[0:25:38] Voice 28: And so it means a lot to be back here,

[0:25:42] Voice 28: but also for me to learn more about your governance

[0:25:44] Voice 28: in these important islands in British Columbia.

[0:25:47] Voice 28: So I'll turn over to Cindy and let her introduce herself.

[0:25:54] Voice 17: Hello, Cindy Wolfe, San Juan County Council.

[0:25:57] Voice 17: I am the ORGIS council member.

[0:26:03] Voice 17: It has been my honor to serve for four years.

[0:26:06] Voice 17: My family circumstances prevented me from running for another four, and I am pleased that Justin Paulson will be taking my seat come January 1st of this coming year, 2025.

[0:26:21] Voice 17: During my tenure on council, my emphasis has largely been on preservation of the marine environment,

[0:26:30] Voice 17: and I've worked a lot on the emergency response

[0:26:33] Voice 17: tow vessel issue, which I'm sure those of you

[0:26:36] Voice 17: who've been around for a while are familiar with that.

[0:26:40] Voice 17: And we've worked on vacation rental caps.

[0:26:43] Voice 17: I've been on the housing advisory committee,

[0:26:47] Voice 17: helped establish the environmental stewardship committee,

[0:26:52] Voice 17: or sorry, not the climate and sustainability committee

[0:26:54] Voice 17: of the environmental stewardship department.

[0:26:56] Voice 17: And we have most recently been engaged in developing a framework for a tribal relations protocol because we have this unusual situation where we have 14 sovereign nations that we have direct relationships with because of the history of our treaties in this area with the federal government and the tribes.

[0:27:24] Voice 17: So, I know all of that is going to be on the table today. I was touched by the recognition that we all could have been one country with the stroke of the Kaiser's pen, and it is in a time of turmoil for me personally, watching the incoming administration and wondering about the dismantlement of environmental regulations on the federal level in our country.

[0:27:50] Voice 17: It is wonderful to know that we have regional partners who share our concerns about this

[0:27:56] Voice 17: bioregion.

[0:27:59] Voice 28: Jomana Musmar- Thank you, Cindy.

[0:28:00] Voice 28: I really appreciate that.

[0:28:01] Trustee Luckham: Chair, welcome.

[0:28:03] Trustee Luckham: Chair Forsyth- Well, thank you for being here and sharing with us.

[0:28:09] Trustee Luckham: We have a number of topics that we had identified as of mutual interest.

[0:28:13] Trustee Luckham: We can go, we can stick to these or go a little bit more far-ranging.

[0:28:17] Trustee Luckham: I think that ferries is the first topic, which is interesting because the ferries ply the

[0:28:23] Trustee Luckham: The waters on both sides of the Juan de Fuca Strait and the whales and the First Nations have never considered that there's a line in the water that separates us.

[0:28:35] Trustee Luckham: And the salmon, of course, the king salmon in San Juan's that you refer to, we all share those.

[0:28:43] Trustee Luckham: And a number of the fish that are in your area come down the Fraser River.

[0:28:46] Trustee Luckham: And so, ferries, we have, I'll just open that up, and there's other people who can speak more effectively than I can, but BC Ferries, the largest fleet of vessels in the country, significant employer, moving millions of people back and forth constantly.

[0:29:07] Trustee Luckham: We have, up until a week ago, ferry advisory committees that were required through the

[0:29:15] Trustee Luckham: commissionaire of ferries and the provincial government protocol agreements, et cetera,

[0:29:19] Trustee Luckham: to engage with communities on the delivery of the service.

[0:29:25] Trustee Luckham: Unilaterally last week, those committees were shut down.

[0:29:28] Trustee Luckham: And so now we're struggling with what the future looks like there, because there's not

[0:29:33] Trustee Luckham: not an apparent plan at this moment,

[0:29:35] Trustee Luckham: but there's a plan developing.

[0:29:37] Trustee Luckham: And so, yeah, I'll just, that's an introduction.

[0:29:41] Trustee Luckham: Others might be able to speak to it.

[0:29:42] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to kick us off on ferries?

[0:29:44] Trustee Luckham: And of course the ferry to Sydney

[0:29:46] Trustee Luckham: has always been an important thing to us.

[0:29:48] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:29:48] Voice 28: thank you very much, Peter.

[0:29:50] Voice 28: I had the pleasure to ride BC ferries a few weeks back

[0:29:54] Voice 28: when I took my daughter to,

[0:29:56] Voice 28: well, brought her here with my husband

[0:29:58] Voice 28: husband to visit university

[0:30:00] Voice 28: Victoria, where she was contemplating, is contemplating going to study after she graduates.

[0:30:05] Voice 28: And I was just in awe of the quality of your ferry service.

[0:30:08] Voice 28: I mean, if any of you have traveled the San Juan County Anacortes route, our ferries are in poor shape.

[0:30:16] Voice 28: And so whether I am happy to say I did or not, I've been following ferries most closely on our council for the last two years.

[0:30:27] Voice 28: I think in part because neither of my other seatmates wanted to carry that file.

[0:30:31] Voice 28: So I've been in the hot seat with ferries issues for two years now,

[0:30:36] Voice 28: and we're at a tremendous amount.

[0:30:39] Voice 28: I'm interested in particularly talking to you all about what kind of passenger-only

[0:30:44] Voice 28: inter-island ferry service you have that would be publicly supported and not just private.

[0:30:53] Voice 28: But I want to just start off by letting you know I shared with you

[0:30:57] Voice 28: a couple of press releases um that were issued by the county this past summer um because of the

[0:31:03] Voice 28: crisis we found ourselves in i mean it was um uh very very difficult for us to experience the

[0:31:09] Voice 28: amount of ferry service disruption that washington state ferries um um experienced and imposed on us

[0:31:17] Voice 28: not because they wanted to but because we have um a ferry service that has been

[0:31:21] Voice 28: being woefully not invested in for two decades.

[0:31:25] Voice 28: And so we are now down to 16 boats

[0:31:31] Voice 28: on what should be at least a 21-boat service

[0:31:34] Voice 28: across our entire system.

[0:31:37] Voice 28: We will not see any new boats until 2028 at the earliest.

[0:31:43] Voice 28: Fortunately, Governor Inslee has prioritized...

[0:31:46] Voice 28: He is outgoing now. He's just finishing his term.

[0:31:49] Voice 28: term.

[0:31:49] Voice 28: Governor Bob Ferguson will be our new governor, and he has been the Attorney General in Washington

[0:31:55] Voice 28: State for some years now.

[0:31:57] Voice 28: So Governor Inslee was very, very committed to climate resilience and very, very committed

[0:32:06] Voice 28: to ensuring that our fleet could be less impactful on our environment by hybridizing our vessels

[0:32:14] Voice 28: that are currently in the system.

[0:32:17] Voice 28: But there's an intention on the part of Washington State to make our ferries less emitting, and so that's a very positive thing, but the problem is we just don't have enough boats, and the ferry to Sydney, WSF has stated, will not come back at least until 2030.

[0:32:36] Voice 28: 30. We are four boats on our route, Anacortes to San Juan Islands, and that is the most

[0:32:45] Voice 28: boats on any other route across the system, north and south sound. And our neighbors in

[0:32:54] Voice 28: other jurisdictions get jealous because we have four boats, but the fact of the matter

[0:32:57] Voice 28: is, and all of you will appreciate this, it's a marine highway. So we're struggling because

[0:33:05] Voice 28: because those boats are inadequately

[0:33:07] Voice 28: crewed. You all

[0:33:09] Voice 28: also experienced, while you didn't

[0:33:11] Voice 28: lay off your ferry workers like Washington

[0:33:13] Voice 28: State did during COVID,

[0:33:15] Voice 28: we are having to rebuild our

[0:33:17] Voice 28: crew, the state is having to

[0:33:19] Voice 28: rebuild the crew, and the maritime industry

[0:33:21] Voice 28: generally is having a hard time with

[0:33:22] Voice 28: staffing.

[0:33:25] Voice 28: So crew is an issue.

[0:33:28] Voice 28: Reliability

[0:33:29] Voice 28: of ferry service because of boats breaking

[0:33:31] Voice 28: down is an issue.

[0:33:33] Voice 28: So we, our

[0:33:34] Voice 28: Our county was devastated this past year,

[0:33:37] Voice 28: particularly between the months of May and September

[0:33:40] Voice 28: because of ferry service outages,

[0:33:43] Voice 28: to the point where San Juan County Council

[0:33:48] Voice 28: requested that the governor declare a state of emergency

[0:33:51] Voice 28: because of how impacted our people were,

[0:33:53] Voice 28: our economy was, tourism, just commercial enterprises,

[0:33:58] Voice 28: essential facilities not being able to get where they needed to be.

[0:34:02] Voice 28: So we appealed to the governor to declare a state of emergency, which he was not able to do, which I think some of you can understand politically, because declaring a state of emergency is a sensitive thing, and it does indeed sometimes call out government failure.

[0:34:17] Voice 28: So in lieu of that, we were able to secure some emergency funding from the governor so we could pilot some passenger-only ferry service between our islands.

[0:34:27] Voice 28: not only when the inner island boat,

[0:34:29] Voice 28: one of our most critical boats, goes out,

[0:34:33] Voice 28: but also between Anacortes and the other islands

[0:34:36] Voice 28: so that we can encourage more walk-on.

[0:34:39] Voice 28: And that is what we're going to be doing,

[0:34:41] Voice 28: piloting $1.5 million over the course of the next year.

[0:34:46] Voice 28: So I'm most keenly interested in understanding

[0:34:49] Voice 28: how your islands have been able to support

[0:34:53] Voice 28: some means of publicly subsidized passenger-only ferry service

[0:34:57] Voice 28: because that's an area we're now leaning into

[0:35:00] Voice 28: with some very fortunate $1.5 million in funding.

[0:35:04] Voice 28: It's a new territory for us because we, as a county,

[0:35:07] Voice 28: we don't have a transportation benefit district

[0:35:10] Voice 28: or anything of that nature.

[0:35:12] Voice 28: We have never gone into this territory before.

[0:35:16] Voice 28: We have always been 100% reliant on Washington State Ferries,

[0:35:20] Voice 28: which is going to take decades to rebuild.

[0:35:23] Voice 28: So we're grateful to have that money,

[0:35:25] Voice 28: but we are really an uncharted territory in terms of figuring out how to stand this up.

[0:35:29] Voice 28: What we may need to look at in the future is whether or not we create a transportation benefit district,

[0:35:35] Voice 28: which would be imposing a tax on the citizens and residents of our county

[0:35:41] Voice 28: so that they can have some more reliable ferry transportation by foot.

[0:35:46] Voice 28: Another caveat, however, is that once you get to some of our islands, you can't move around.

[0:35:51] Voice 28: and so it's wonderful to come up to the dock and Friday Harbor be able to walk

[0:35:56] Voice 28: off and there's some degree of transportation on San Juan Island but if

[0:36:01] Voice 28: you come to Lopez Island you get to the dock you can't get to the village and so

[0:36:05] Voice 28: same thing on Orcas so go ahead that's my little entree

[0:36:09] Trustee Luckham: before I go to Tim and

[0:36:12] Trustee Luckham: I was going to acknowledge you just want to interject and I'm gonna ask mayor

[0:36:15] Trustee Luckham: Leonard who has just joined us from Bowen Island we have two trust elected

[0:36:20] Trustee Luckham: elected trustees, and they have their own council, and Mayor Leonard Andrew, would you

[0:36:26] Trustee Luckham: please join us up here? There's a vacant seat here for you, conveniently, to make you part

[0:36:33] Trustee Luckham: of our family. And I'll just ask you to introduce yourself quickly, and then I would like to

[0:36:41] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge the two communities that have organized passenger-only ferry service, although

[0:36:48] Trustee Luckham: although there's other islands that don't have any service, but Mayor Leonard.

[0:36:54] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair, and for the Chair, thank you for having me today.

[0:36:57] Voice 13: Lovely to meet you and hear from you.

[0:36:59] Voice 13: I was following online, and I figured I'd skedaddle down here,

[0:37:03] Voice 13: and it looks like there was a seat saved for me.

[0:37:06] Voice 13: So I am the mayor of Bowen Island, the only fully constituted municipality

[0:37:10] Voice 13: within the island's trust area.

[0:37:13] Voice 13: As you may have heard from our trustees, we are, I don't want to say that every island is unique,

[0:37:17] Voice 13: And, you know, I don't want to take the shade of any, you know, extra unique.

[0:37:24] Voice 13: But where our uniqueness comes from is that, you know, we're a 20-minute ferry ride off the shore of Vancouver.

[0:37:30] Voice 13: So we deal with a lot of urban growth pressures and looking to adapt and sometimes defend against those pressures.

[0:37:36] Voice 13: Passenger ferry services, you mentioned, is a very high priority for us, particularly as the ferry routes get saturated and the demands of residents start to change.

[0:37:44] Voice 13: And really happy to be here.

[0:37:46] Voice 13: And thank you, Chair.

[0:37:47] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. I

[0:37:49] Trustee Luckham: had that opportunity to start off the conversation on passenger fares because that's an immediate question.

[0:37:55] Voice 4: Yeah. So great to have you here. I went last fall. I went down to Lopez Island.

[0:38:04] Voice 4: My sister got married there to a fellow whose parents live there and have a really nice bed.

[0:38:10] Voice 4: And on our way back to the mainland, we encountered a cancellation due to a shortage, which isn't anything that was shocking or surprising, because, of course, we have our fair share of that here, especially post-COVID.

[0:38:30] Voice 4: But perhaps it may be heartening to know that we weren't alone in those challenges.

[0:38:35] Voice 4: our island is served exclusively by a passenger-only ferry it is one of the

[0:38:47] Voice 4: they're called unregulated routes that are funded by our by BC ferries but not

[0:38:56] Voice 4: up but run by an in contracted operator independent operator there's significant

[0:39:03] Voice 4: challenges in terms of interfacing with the that two-piece bit where we have the

[0:39:13] Voice 4: BC Ferries corporation and then their contractor and then we have the

[0:39:18] Voice 4: interests of the local residents and visitors and the challenges around

[0:39:25] Voice 4: getting both of those entities the table to hear our concerns have been large

[0:39:33] Voice 4: challenges over the last few years I'm happy to say that this October the first

[0:39:38] Voice 4: time ever we had the operator come to our island and hold a public a public

[0:39:46] Voice 4: meeting which is the first time as far as I'm aware in many years although it's

[0:39:51] Voice 4: been part of the contract for ever so we take that as a sign of improvement but

[0:40:00] Voice 4: But certainly passenger-only ferries have some challenges.

[0:40:03] Voice 4: And where we are, considering that that is our only marine highway,

[0:40:09] Voice 4: that means that lots of stuff needs to come on that ferry.

[0:40:14] Voice 4: All of our groceries, animal feed, just about anything you can name that's small enough to get on the boat

[0:40:22] Voice 4: and doesn't require, like, hiring a barge.

[0:40:25] Voice 4: But I think the advantages are that we don't have drive-on tourism, which I think a lot of the locals think is a good thing to not have.

[0:40:43] Voice 4: And then I guess some people would say, well, yeah, you really have to be dedicated to live where we live because the ferry service doesn't make it easy.

[0:40:52] Voice 4: Anyway, I'll leave it there.

[0:40:53] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:40:55] Trustee Luckham: Kate, we're Stanford.

[0:40:56] Trustee Luckham: Danbury keeps.

[0:40:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[0:40:58] Voice 18: you. Gambier-Keats also has a passenger-only ferry. It's slightly different. It is contracted out by our BC Ferries Corp, but it is a regulated route. It's the smallest of the regulated routes.

[0:41:11] Voice 18: So we access all our structural information schedules through the regular BC Ferries website, and they support us with a subsidy.

[0:41:22] Voice 18: to eat. There's a few differences from Luskete. Where's Luskete?

[0:41:26] Voice 18: What is it? Three times? How many? Five times a week? Three times a week.

[0:41:32] Voice 15: It's five days a week.

[0:41:34] Voice 18: But one run.

[0:41:36] Voice 4: Three runs most days

[0:41:38] Voice 4: except for Sundays.

[0:41:40] Voice 18: So they have...

[0:41:42] Voice 4: Tuesday at all. Tuesday, Wednesday at all.

[0:41:45] Voice 18: And it is more open water in your access, whereas we're very

[0:41:50] Voice 18: inland we have ten runs a day so it's a commuter run it's ten minutes and it

[0:41:56] Voice 18: also we have no stores or schools or facilities on our island so everything

[0:42:01] Voice 18: goes through that our biggest challenge isn't the ferry run itself which is

[0:42:07] Voice 18: excellent and our new owners are incredibly responsive it's the ingress

[0:42:14] Voice 18: and egress so it's the the docks where we're having trouble with ownership maintenance there's

[0:42:22] Voice 18: no standard for maintaining the structural integrity of the landing spots so that seems

[0:42:29] Voice 18: to be our biggest issue but in terms of how because we started with passenger only that's

[0:42:37] Voice 18: that's become one of our personalities is passenger only we like it that way but it is a

[0:42:44] Voice 18: very different form of life like as you mentioned it's not for the faint of heart and as soon as

[0:42:49] Voice 18: you reach 75 80 you're you're looking at having to move off because of that the structure and how

[0:42:56] Voice 18: it's set up so yeah it's a it's a good for us it's very successful but much smaller scale than the

[0:43:02] Voice 18: population that you're working with so so

[0:43:05] Trustee Luckham: jane do you have any immediate questions for those members

[0:43:08] Trustee Luckham: there's others i see indications that talk would like to talk because we've had some experimental

[0:43:13] Trustee Luckham: mental stuff. And even on Bowen, there was some passenger stuff.

[0:43:16] Voice 28: I'm just going to see if

[0:43:17] Voice 28: Council Member Wolf would like to add anything, any flavor to anything I spoke about, just to

[0:43:23] Voice 28: give a little more context in terms of our challenges. I will

[0:43:28] Voice 17: say that one of the things

[0:43:31] Voice 17: I do appreciate about our ferry systems is the emphasis on safety. I think BC Ferries and

[0:43:39] Voice 17: and Washington State Ferries do share that emphasis on safety,

[0:43:47] Voice 17: and it's proven out in their records.

[0:43:49] Voice 17: So I do want to thank them for that.

[0:43:52] Voice 17: The equipment problems and the problems with staffing,

[0:44:00] Voice 17: the staffing, I don't know how we're gonna get past that

[0:44:04] Voice 17: being as there's a shortage of able-bodied semen

[0:44:07] Voice 17: and all over the world right now.

[0:44:10] Voice 17: So that is, I think, part of a much larger conversation

[0:44:14] Voice 17: that's going to have to go on with the shipping industry as well

[0:44:17] Voice 17: about how we are going to get bodies

[0:44:21] Voice 17: and or how you sail vessels with less people.

[0:44:25] Voice 17: That's the reality of the situation.

[0:44:28] Voice 17: I do also want to point out that I have the video

[0:44:31] Voice 17: that proves that Jane wanted the Washington State Ferries portfolio.

[0:44:35] Voice 17: portfolio. So, you know, keep that in mind, Councilmember Fuller. And to say a really big

[0:44:42] Voice 17: thank you to Councilmember Fuller for her leadership and her efforts to get the impacts

[0:44:51] Voice 17: of the ferry cancellations on the radar of our governor and really get across to our legislators

[0:45:02] Voice 17: leaders how important it is to have those marine highways uh the i i did want to double back also

[0:45:11] Voice 17: to the victoria or the city ferry uh situation and assure you that it is not falling off of our radar

[0:45:19] Voice 17: it is something that um i am sure future councils will continue to track our economic development

[0:45:26] Voice 17: Council will never let us forget about that. And we will continue to work for that as the years

[0:45:33] Voice 17: roll by. So that's really all I had to say. Thank you.

[0:45:39] Voice 28: Thanks, Cindy. I really appreciate that. I

[0:45:41] Voice 28: think, again, just to provide a little further context to build on what Cindy just said,

[0:45:47] Voice 28: we do have state-legislated ferry advisory committees. So that is a state law that those

[0:45:53] Voice 28: have to exist in our ferry jurisdictions and then the governing body locally

[0:45:59] Voice 28: appoints the people to sit on those ferry advisory committees my heart sank

[0:46:04] Voice 28: when I heard the news just recently that you're losing yours I could not have

[0:46:10] Voice 28: done what I did in terms of appealing to the governor and and WSF without our

[0:46:16] Voice 28: ferry advisory committee on our committee we have five members I'm a

[0:46:20] Voice 28: a council liaison member with voting

[0:46:24] Voice 28: rights on that body. We also have an Orcas Island representative,

[0:46:28] Voice 28: a Friday Harbor San Juan Island representative, a Shaw Island representative,

[0:46:32] Voice 28: and a Lopez Island representative. Those Ferries Advisory Committee

[0:46:36] Voice 28: members also wear other hats. So one of them wears a commercial hat representing

[0:46:40] Voice 28: commercial interests. The other wears the hat of frequent

[0:46:44] Voice 28: visitors. So sort of a tourism hat. But that

[0:46:48] Voice 28: that body has been fundamentally critical to helping us to deepen our relationships

[0:46:55] Voice 28: and our communication with Washington State fairies and really get in their business

[0:46:59] Voice 28: in a way that they've not appreciated at times,

[0:47:02] Voice 28: but it's certainly enabled us to understand more what the real challenges are

[0:47:07] Voice 28: and to be able to communicate with our community what the challenges are

[0:47:11] Voice 28: in a more granular way so people can understand.

[0:47:14] Voice 28: stand. So you have a challenge before you if you're losing those. And certainly what I've

[0:47:20] Voice 28: learned over the last two years is that it's all about connecting with your community members and

[0:47:27] Voice 28: enabling their voices to be heard and elevating their voices. And as locally elected, we've worked

[0:47:32] Voice 28: very hard to do that with some success, but it's a never-ending thing. And so we have a long road

[0:47:41] Voice 28: road to journey down until there's there's real fixes

[0:47:43] Voice 1: in our ferry

[0:47:44] Voice 28: system so um i'm happy to hear

[0:47:48] Voice 28: other comments on i think i there

[0:47:51] Trustee Luckham: was yeah and then others that raise your hand so that david

[0:47:55] Trustee Luckham: mod can flag you

[0:47:56] Voice 8: yeah a couple of things thank you for sharing this and thanks for the other

[0:47:59] Voice 8: conversation um the southern gulf islands so maine galliano i think it was galliano included

[0:48:04] Voice 8: included Saturna and Penders, we have had, and with Salt Spring, have had an inter-island

[0:48:11] Voice 8: ferry called Aqualink that was run as a water taxi service, so private, through as a sort

[0:48:19] Voice 8: of pilot with the CRD.

[0:48:21] Voice 8: It's, you know, not fully there every year, but it's a weekend tourism type of like management

[0:48:29] Voice 8: passenger only in among the islands.

[0:48:32] Voice 8: And I think, to your earlier point, it's a great way to get people, like, not cars on the island.

[0:48:37] Voice 8: But so I actually had a question related to the car issue of, like, have you considered or are you doing any of the things, like, we have car stops on Pender, which is kind of like, I don't know if I can say

[0:48:49] Voice 1: this in a

[0:48:50] Voice 8: public meeting, but legalized hitchhiking.

[0:48:52] Voice 8: And then we also have, there has been conversations about having, like, an e-car depot.

[0:49:01] Voice 8: and I don't think we quite have enough

[0:49:03] Voice 8: oomph behind that to do that

[0:49:05] Voice 8: but on the island at the ferry terminal or something

[0:49:07] Voice 8: like that, it could be a really interesting

[0:49:09] Voice 8: idea. And then last thought about that

[0:49:11] Voice 8: I also just want to give a shout out to

[0:49:13] Voice 8: our school service because we have a school

[0:49:15] Voice 8: bus service, a water taxi service

[0:49:17] Voice 8: related to our school buses that

[0:49:19] Voice 8: in the southern Gulf Islands comes out

[0:49:21] Voice 8: of Salt Spring, goes out into all these

[0:49:23] Voice 8: two different boats that come out and go

[0:49:25] Voice 8: around the islands collecting kids, distributing

[0:49:27] Voice 8: them here and there across the islands

[0:49:29] Voice 8: where they need to go for school and picking them up at the end of the

[0:49:31] Voice 8: the day and that happens four days a week in our school districts and uh it's fabulous not bc

[0:49:36] Voice 8: ferries but it's a ferry it's a transportation map well

[0:49:40] Voice 28: that is that i'm just quickly following

[0:49:43] Voice 28: up on on that is it is is the school ferry service um funded by bc ferries and is it privately run

[0:49:49] Voice 28: or publicly run or it's through the school district

[0:49:51] Voice 8: as far as i understand it and we only

[0:49:52] Voice 8: have a four-day school day to manage the cost of the ferries and the professional learning hours

[0:49:57] Voice 8: and everything so we slightly longer days and it manages the whole bunch of

[0:50:01] Voice 8: financial aspects yeah

[0:50:03] Voice 28: that's really fascinating to hear and if our if our

[0:50:06] Voice 28: school districts of which we have four across all our islands which may sound

[0:50:10] Voice 28: strange but you guys understand it legislators and in Olympia do not it is

[0:50:16] Voice 28: a critical problem that our children face trying to move particularly to

[0:50:21] Voice 28: Friday Harbor from the other islands for school our school districts are so

[0:50:25] Voice 28: woefully underfunded. Education in the state of Washington

[0:50:30] Voice 28: is really needing a boost of funding dollars, and

[0:50:33] Voice 28: so there's no way they could afford to do that. But it's a very interesting

[0:50:37] Voice 28: notion that there's a dedicated service for that. So that's

[0:50:41] Voice 28: really fascinating. Yeah, there was something else I was going to

[0:50:45] Voice 28: pick up on, and I've forgotten what it was. Okay.

[0:50:49] Voice 28: I think I'll leave it at that.

[0:50:53] Voice 28: Chair Luckom, do you feel we should maybe move on to another agenda?

[0:50:56] Voice 28: Well,

[0:50:56] Trustee Luckham: certainly there are five or four other topics to talk about, and that would be a good thing.

[0:51:01] Trustee Luckham: So if there's anybody that wants to share something important about ferries, then we could move on.

[0:51:06] Trustee Luckham: And we don't have to do all the topics, but let's move on to another topic.

[0:51:10] Voice 28: So I'm going to pose to you, Chair Luckom, whether, you know, of the four remaining topics that we've identified

[0:51:17] Voice 28: between water, housing, increased tanker traffic,

[0:51:20] Voice 28: and tribal engagement.

[0:51:23] Voice 28: The ones of most interest to myself and to Cindy,

[0:51:26] Voice 28: I think, would be the last two,

[0:51:28] Voice 1: but

[0:51:28] Voice 28: it does not mean at all that we don't want

[0:51:30] Voice 28: to discuss water and housing.

[0:51:32] Voice 1: I mean,

[0:51:32] Voice 28: I think we've got, we have a tremendous amount,

[0:51:34] Voice 28: we should have a whole day together.

[0:51:36] Voice 28: But, yeah, so.

[0:51:37] Trustee Luckham: We could easily have a whole day.

[0:51:39] Voice 28: Seriously, yeah, yeah.

[0:51:40] Trustee Luckham: Let me just close the conversation about fairies.

[0:51:42] Trustee Luckham: Was there anybody that needed to say something unique?

[0:51:44] Trustee Luckham: Nick, Ben Maberly, and

[0:51:46] Voice 29: Susan

[0:51:47] Trustee Luckham: Yates, just briefly.

[0:51:48] Voice 29: Yeah, I just wanted to make a couple points.

[0:51:51] Voice 29: I mean, it's great to have you here.

[0:51:54] Voice 29: It's also great to hear you praise our furries.

[0:51:56] Voice 29: One of our great joys in the Gulf Islands is to constantly criticize the

[0:52:00] Voice 29: furry service on the islands.

[0:52:02] Voice 29: But on a couple of points that Trustee Morrison made,

[0:52:07] Voice 29: the school boat has been an integral part of our communities for a long,

[0:52:11] Voice 29: long time.

[0:52:11] Voice 29: All of our kids go to Salt Spring Island for high school.

[0:52:16] Voice 29: And in past years, we had middle schools at Main Island and Pender.

[0:52:20] Voice 29: And so it's been an absolute critical part of our communities as long as I've been there, right, so over 50 years.

[0:52:27] Voice 29: The one thing I would say about the dedicated sort of accolade service that we have, it's a real challenge because we have actually quite a good ferry service.

[0:52:37] Voice 29: And so there's a real reluctance of people to take a walk-on ferry.

[0:52:43] Voice 29: And now the Aqualink service is not being funded this year.

[0:52:46] Voice 29: So how it will survive, I'm not sure.

[0:52:50] Voice 29: You brought up a really great point about crewing.

[0:52:54] Voice 29: As we know, and I'm out of the marine environment, marine industry,

[0:52:59] Voice 29: crewing is not Canada, United States.

[0:53:02] Voice 29: There's no border in crewing.

[0:53:04] Voice 29: everybody who gets ticketed is eligible to work

[0:53:08] Voice 29: anywhere in the continental shelf if they get a proper ticket

[0:53:12] Voice 29: and so you're competing with industries like the Washington

[0:53:17] Voice 29: Group and that that are really being heavy on recruitment right now

[0:53:21] Voice 29: so I'm not quite sure how you solve that problem but I can

[0:53:24] Voice 29: I can honestly say the only way you're going to get a dedicated

[0:53:28] Voice 29: passenger only ferry is through taxation it's just

[0:53:33] Voice 29: We've done the numbers over and over again, and any other way just doesn't work.

[0:53:38] Voice 29: The cost of using a passenger ferry would be so high that you just won't get the people to do it.

[0:53:43] Voice 29: So just some sort of thoughts on that.

[0:53:48] Voice 28: Thank you for that.

[0:53:49] Voice 28: And all of those things are really meaningful context to digest.

[0:53:55] Voice 28: And I realize I didn't get back to your point about on-island transit.

[0:53:59] Voice 28: We do have a not-for-profit called Island Rides.

[0:54:02] Voice 28: and it is it's it's it's run by volunteers literally it gets grant

[0:54:08] Voice 28: funding from Washington State Department of Transportation they've done a

[0:54:12] Voice 28: phenomenal job of providing free transportation in electric vehicles on

[0:54:17] Voice 28: our different islands and what we need to do is we think about what do people

[0:54:22] Voice 28: want on our respective islands in the way of options to travel to the ferry

[0:54:27] Voice 28: terminals we need to look at how can we work with Washington State Department of

[0:54:31] Voice 28: transportation to try and augment what island rides already runs maybe get some shuttle electric

[0:54:38] Voice 28: shuttles for example a local organization on lopez did a did a survey of 1012 people who

[0:54:44] Voice 28: traveled to lopez either as part-timers full-timers visitors to find out what appetite there is for an

[0:54:51] Voice 28: eb shuttle service on the island there's a tremendous appetite so we have we have a heck

[0:54:55] Voice 28: of a lot of work to do as we think about as a county how we can support on-island transportation

[0:55:01] Voice 28: as well as passenger-only ferry. And I appreciate what you're saying about taxation kind of being

[0:55:08] Voice 28: what we have to do if we're going to lean into this. That's absolutely true. As you all know,

[0:55:13] Voice 28: though, this is a really tax-crazy time. Nobody wants to be taxed for anything. And so we'll just

[0:55:19] Voice 28: have to tread into that into that domain very carefully and and do our homework um washington

[0:55:24] Voice 28: state ferries stepped out of the passenger-only ferry system um more than a decade ago they're

[0:55:30] Voice 28: currently looking at whether or not they're going to re-engage so the legislature committed

[0:55:35] Voice 28: five hundred thousand dollars to do a study of whether or not um the state should take on pof

[0:55:40] Voice 28: again um i recently attended a meeting that strongly suggested um they probably shouldn't

[0:55:46] Voice 28: so we'll see where that goes

[0:55:47] Voice 28: but yeah so

[0:55:49] Voice 28: thank you for all of these insights

[0:55:51] Voice 28: I really appreciate it

[0:55:53] Voice 28: So

[0:55:53] Trustee Luckham: last remark on BC Ferries

[0:55:55] Trustee Luckham: Susan Yates and then maybe we'll jump to

[0:55:57] Trustee Luckham: increased vessel traffic

[0:55:58] Trustee Luckham: I

[0:55:59] Voice 6: just can't thank you enough for your comments

[0:56:01] Voice 6: about your state legislated

[0:56:03] Voice 6: ferry advisory committees

[0:56:05] Voice 6: I spent three hours last night

[0:56:07] Voice 6: online dealing with the fallout

[0:56:09] Voice 6: from the dissolution

[0:56:11] Voice 6: the proposed dissolution of our

[0:56:13] Voice 6: ferry advisory committees and it's awful

[0:56:15] Voice 6: But I also wanted to mention a few of our islands have bus systems.

[0:56:21] Voice 6: They're all different.

[0:56:22] Voice 6: There's one that runs under BC Transit.

[0:56:24] Voice 6: That's Salt Spring.

[0:56:26] Voice 6: And the rest of them are quite amazing independent organizations.

[0:56:30] Voice 6: Certainly on Gabriola, where I live, it was a pilot project for three years run as a volunteer service with gas tax money that we all put in to buy a bus.

[0:56:42] Voice 6: and then we went to um referendum to be funded partially by our regional district and it

[0:56:48] Voice 6: it won it got good support so now we have at least some assured funding from our regional district

[0:56:54] Voice 6: to run our bus thank

[0:56:58] Voice 28: you very much for that you definitely have to follow up okay so well

[0:57:03] Voice 28: should we put it should we have a show of hands to see who wants to talk about what next

[0:57:07] Voice 28: I'm just kidding.

[0:57:09] Trustee Luckham: We can do that very demographically.

[0:57:11] Trustee Luckham: Very demographically.

[0:57:12] Voice 28: Go ahead.

[0:57:14] Voice 28: We

[0:57:14] Trustee Luckham: have a long list of speakers on ferries?

[0:57:17] Trustee Luckham: Well, on, yeah.

[0:57:19] Voice 15: Thank you, Trevor.

[0:57:22] Voice 23: Okay.

[0:57:25] Voice 14: So I've got a speaker list.

[0:57:27] Voice 14: Why don't we just proceed whatever topic and just keep

[0:57:32] Trustee Luckham: going through that?

[0:57:32] Trustee Luckham: Does that work?

[0:57:33] Trustee Luckham: Sure.

[0:57:34] Trustee Luckham: Sure. So maybe as a courtesy, let's start off with Jane and start us off on the topic that she wants to speak to.

[0:57:42] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, we could go around through the areas that we've identified.

[0:57:46] Trustee Luckham: Sure.

[0:57:47] Voice 28: Absolutely. I'm going to, in deference to my colleague who's with us today,

[0:57:53] Voice 28: I really would like Cindy to speak to the increased tanker traffic and the emergency response toll vessel matter

[0:58:00] Voice 28: because she is being in the weeds on this and I'd like her to share with you

[0:58:04] Voice 28: what she has learned over the her term about this matter Cindy do you wanna go

[0:58:09] Voice 17: ahead sure and we did speak about it I know last time I saw you all about this

[0:58:14] Voice 17: time last year so our joint efforts with islands trust have been towards trying

[0:58:24] Voice 17: to get an emergency response tow vessel stationed in the Harrow Strait area

[0:58:29] Voice 17: somewhere, preferably either Sydney or in Friday Harbor,

[0:58:35] Voice 17: or not Friday Harbor, sorry, Roach Harbor.

[0:58:38] Voice 17: We have been pushing from this side

[0:58:42] Voice 17: with our federal delegation,

[0:58:44] Voice 17: but that requires cooperation from the state

[0:58:48] Voice 17: because the federal delegation wants the state to identify

[0:58:52] Voice 17: that there is a need and a benefit

[0:58:55] Voice 17: for an emergency response tow vessel.

[0:58:57] Voice 17: And then that we can't adequately provide for that out-of-state funding.

[0:59:06] Voice 17: And if then the Coast Guard also doesn't have proper equipment, then it can become a matter of international dialogue with Canada.

[0:59:20] Voice 17: And so we've had a history of work with you, a history of shared letters to Transpo Canada, just to bring everybody up to speed.

[0:59:34] Voice 17: We are experiencing increased pressures on both sides of the border.

[0:59:39] Voice 17: Our refineries are starting to see more vessel traffic here in Washington.

[0:59:44] Voice 17: And we also know that with Robert's Bank 2 terminal going in and with the increased oil coming from the Trans Mountain pipeline, we are seeing a lot more large vessels.

[1:00:00] Voice 17: traffic through this little section of our world and that poses great hazards

[1:00:07] Voice 17: to the ecosystems both in your part of the islands and in our part of the

[1:00:12] Voice 17: islands we all know that should there be an incident where for instance a vessel

[1:00:19] Voice 17: loses power and it racks up on the rocks and leaks we could within four or five

[1:00:26] Voice 17: hours have a pollution situation that could have a devastating effect on the

[1:00:34] Voice 17: marine life in our area that would affect this ecosystem for generations to

[1:00:41] Voice 17: come and that is it is measurable in dollars yes but it is immeasurable in

[1:00:48] Voice 17: the impact on the Salish Sea and on the nature of this place and what it means

[1:00:55] Voice 17: to people in terms of food lifestyle etc so and you know for especially for our tribal nations

[1:01:05] Voice 17: it is intimately important to their understanding not only their understanding of themselves

[1:01:12] Voice 17: really like how they eat how what their sustenance is so where are we at this point

[1:01:22] Voice 17: Our outgoing governor has been in communication with the Canadian government we hear of late.

[1:01:31] Voice 17: Our Department of Ecology did release a report on the effect of an emergency response tow vessel

[1:01:41] Voice 17: and stationed response values based on where it would be stationed in a number of different places in the Salish Sea.

[1:01:52] Voice 17: and how it would affect response times even further south in Puget Sound.

[1:02:00] Voice 17: And it was, unfortunately, from our perspective, the question was asked pretty narrowly.

[1:02:07] Voice 17: It excluded a lot of what we've seen as real-time, real-life accidents out here in the Salish Sea

[1:02:17] Voice 17: and really only focused on loss of power with elision kind of situations and there's been

[1:02:26] Voice 17: so many other things where we've had freighters that could have been aided that had large you

[1:02:33] Voice 17: know had had hazardous cargo that fell off ships catching on fire all those kinds of things that

[1:02:38] Voice 17: really, we need some kind of safety system to address. So we brought it, we've had dialogue

[1:02:47] Voice 17: with the Transboundary Caucus through our Ecosystems Coordination Board and Salmon Recovery

[1:02:55] Voice 17: Council through the Puget Sound Partnership and are really trying to keep this on our state's radar

[1:03:04] Voice 17: are and get some movement on cooperation before the before the government turns over but it's not

[1:03:17] Voice 17: um i don't have any news right now on on how far we're going to get before uh governor inslee

[1:03:23] Voice 17: leaves office so that's a recap of it for those of you who are i don't know how many new folks you

[1:03:30] Voice 17: have but um a lot of those those ships that come through this area to these large ports not just

[1:03:39] Voice 17: the oil tankers but also the cargo freighters um the cargo freighters carry just huge amounts of

[1:03:46] Voice 17: fuel and they're enormous boats and so really relying on tugs of opportunity to aid boats like

[1:03:55] Voice 17: that if they are in distress is not a good idea because they require

[1:04:02] Voice 17: specialized equipment and huge ships that can help them recover in the event

[1:04:10] Voice 17: that they lose power or encounter some other kind of problem out on the water.

[1:04:15] Voice 17: so thank you

[1:04:21] Trustee Luckham: well susie nates do you have something to right

[1:04:28] Voice 30: sure i'm

[1:04:31] Voice 28: i'm gonna i think

[1:04:33] Voice 28: just go ahead and make your comment or ask your question and i'm going to defer to my my dear

[1:04:37] Voice 28: colleague here on this go ahead susan thank you so

[1:04:39] Voice 6: much uh councillor wolf that was really

[1:04:42] Voice 6: informative um a couple of weeks ago i sent a note into our executive committee about a joint

[1:04:49] Voice 6: response to the like a cooperative Salish Sea oil spill response and that

[1:04:55] Voice 6: was because I had read this very informative and frightening article from

[1:05:00] Voice 6: the Seattle Times that came to us through our news from our communications

[1:05:07] Voice 6: person came to us on in our news reports and I read it and I read it again and I

[1:05:13] Voice 6: I thought, oh, my God, this is even worse than I thought.

[1:05:16] Voice 6: So I'm so glad to have our guests here today

[1:05:22] Voice 6: because I do want to see joint advocacy on this

[1:05:27] Voice 6: with our San Juan County commissioners,

[1:05:29] Voice 6: and I definitely want to see a joint response

[1:05:34] Voice 6: for an additional emergency response towing vessel

[1:05:37] Voice 6: in the Harrell Strait area.

[1:05:40] Voice 6: Yeah, I think this is something that we can work on and I will be sending something and writing again to EC to see what kind of how we can do this.

[1:05:49] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:05:52] Voice 28: Cindy, did you have any comments on I mean, as I guess I will say that as Cindy and Council Member Minney stepped down and as Cindy just said,

[1:06:03] Voice 28: there's no question that the council that will be formed as of January 1 will definitely

[1:06:09] Voice 28: continue to do advocacy around this. I think perhaps for a follow-on conversation is what

[1:06:18] Voice 28: would that look like? What would be helpful from our side? What do you feel is potentially helpful

[1:06:26] Voice 28: on your side and how can we collaborate in that regard? I mean, I actually, prior to coming,

[1:06:32] Voice 28: I look back at the history of the interaction of Islands Trust

[1:06:36] Voice 28: with San Juan County, which goes back, I've learned, to 1998.

[1:06:40] Voice 28: And indeed, this issue has been present in conversations between us

[1:06:47] Voice 28: for well over a decade and longer, even two.

[1:06:51] Voice 28: Cindy, do you have any thoughts on how we might step into

[1:06:58] Voice 28: some joint advocacy going forward?

[1:07:00] Voice 28: Do you have any ideas on that?

[1:07:03] Voice 17: I don't have anything concrete to offer right now.

[1:07:08] Voice 17: I have heard that the Canadian government is asking some questions and is looking at where to position another ERTV right at the moment.

[1:07:20] Voice 17: And so any information you have about that might help us to develop some kind of a strategy for joint advocacy.

[1:07:28] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:07:33] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, the last letter that we worked on together, advocacy, is certainly worthwhile in my mind. The uptake from the government and industry has been less than stellar, and so we still are not necessarily being heard about that vessel from the Canadian side being positioned in Sydney.

[1:07:55] Trustee Luckham: But I think it's significant to note that not only tanker traffic, but other vessel traffic of which carries fuel and lubricants of significance impact the San Juan Islands as much as they do our own islands.

[1:08:10] Trustee Luckham: And there's ongoing concerns and certainly would look forward to advocacy.

[1:08:15] Trustee Luckham: Our energies have been directed perhaps not as strongly as they have been in the past in other areas due to our various resources and workload.

[1:08:25] Trustee Luckham: but i think we can continue to work together and would look forward to that i'm going to go to my

[1:08:30] Trustee Luckham: council here and see if there's another topic or similar topics there might likely be others that

[1:08:36] Trustee Luckham: can speak on the vessel traffic issues more significantly but i i like to acknowledge that

[1:08:43] Trustee Luckham: as you indicated that accidents or potential accidents that have happened i refer to them

[1:08:48] Trustee Luckham: as near misses there have been numerous not often publicly known in fact the most recent

[1:08:55] Trustee Luckham: windstorm it required a helicopter transportation of a pilot to a vessel in the middle of a storm

[1:09:00] Trustee Luckham: to reposition it because it was dragging anchor so i'm pleased to know that systems are in place but

[1:09:05] Trustee Luckham: they seem inadequate others who do you have on your speculation so

[1:09:09] Voice 14: right now the speaker says

[1:09:10] Voice 14: we have trustees bernardo maberly patrick and boland so we'll start off with just me i'm going

[1:09:17] Voice 14: to

[1:09:17] Voice 11: pass my point before i had to deal with the ferry so there's no point getting into it now

[1:09:21] Voice 11: Yeah, just

[1:09:23] Voice 29: a couple points in a different forum that I work in.

[1:09:29] Voice 29: We've worked quite closely with the Western Canada Response Corporation,

[1:09:34] Voice 29: and as of now, we see the coastal response program.

[1:09:38] Voice 29: We have one oil spill response package at Lyle Harbour, three at Horton Bay,

[1:09:44] Voice 29: Bay, two at Montague Harbour and one at, or excuse me, one at Montague Harbour and two

[1:09:50] Voice 29: at Whaler Bay on Galeano.

[1:09:51] Voice 29: So we have quite a few packages situated out throughout the southern Gulf Islands.

[1:09:57] Voice 29: So I'm not sure if you are aware or whether you guys have dialogue with WCMRC on spill

[1:10:03] Voice 29: response.

[1:10:05] Voice 29: The other thing I will talk a little bit about is when we talk about a large toll vessel,

[1:10:11] Voice 29: I sit on a board that integrates with Transport Canada, and Transport Canada did approve a large offshore towing vessel, but it was for the Arctic.

[1:10:27] Voice 29: They're building one, and right now they have a contract vessel that they use for that.

[1:10:33] Voice 29: It's an incredible expense.

[1:10:34] Voice 29: expense. When it came to the Salish Sea and the increased tanker traffic there, the onus

[1:10:43] Voice 29: was put on the operators to provide that service. So when we look at the tankers that flow through

[1:10:50] Voice 29: or are going to flow through because of the Trans Mountain Pipeline, every tanker that

[1:10:56] Voice 29: that goes from port to out the Juan de Fuca Strait,

[1:11:01] Voice 29: is required to have two assist tugs with it.

[1:11:05] Voice 29: So I think that was the trade-off

[1:11:11] Voice 29: for the emergency response vessel,

[1:11:14] Voice 29: that these tugs will be out there daily,

[1:11:19] Voice 29: assisting, traveling with and assisting with oil tankers

[1:11:22] Voice 29: that are transiting those waters.

[1:11:24] Voice 29: So, I think, you know, I'm not saying it's not possible to get a dedicated vessel, but the process it took to get the one dedicated vessel for the Arctic, if you've done any business, and I'm sure Cindy has with Transport Canada, 20 years is a short time window, right?

[1:11:46] Voice 29: So, that's what we're up against.

[1:11:49] Voice 29: But I do know that WCMRC is dedicated to trying to find as many places to put spill response packages that, unfortunately, they don't have a bilateral agreement.

[1:12:04] Voice 29: But certainly, you know, those discussions could be had where they, you know, where they put packages in the San Juan Islands.

[1:12:15] Voice 1: I

[1:12:15] Voice 29: mean, let's face it, the accidents are going to happen around places like Turnpoint or

[1:12:20] Voice 29: somewhere like that, right? We know where the choke points are. And so I think there could

[1:12:25] Voice 29: be discussions along those lines. But I just wanted to let you know, you know, there is a

[1:12:30] Voice 29: significant amount of packages already sort of on the border. So whether those discussions could be

[1:12:37] Voice 29: had to expand that i'm not sure i

[1:12:41] Voice 28: think there's there's definitely potential there um we do have

[1:12:45] Voice 28: uh an entity called iosa the islands oil spill association that continues to exist in san juan

[1:12:52] Voice 28: county and actually uh and it is our director of emergency management who's our staff focal point

[1:12:58] Voice 28: on that body and um they recently hired a new executive director um iosa is essentially um

[1:13:06] Voice 28: stood up by volunteers, community members,

[1:13:08] Voice 28: and they're doing a tremendous amount of work.

[1:13:12] Voice 28: They will continue to do a tremendous amount of work

[1:13:14] Voice 28: and recently hired a new executive director

[1:13:16] Voice 28: who's proving to be very capable,

[1:13:20] Voice 28: and so I think it would be good

[1:13:22] Voice 28: if we could find a way to connect that entity with IOSA.

[1:13:26] Voice 28: Council Member Minnie is the council member

[1:13:28] Voice 28: who sits on IOSA currently,

[1:13:30] Voice 28: and when the council switches over,

[1:13:33] Voice 28: still there will be a council person who sits on IOSA and so I think if we could

[1:13:39] Voice 28: find some linkages there that would be fantastic because this is work Brendan

[1:13:44] Voice 28: Cowan our director of emergency management in in working closely with I

[1:13:48] Voice 28: also they are there they're very very aware of the importance of having spill

[1:13:53] Voice 28: response packages so if we could make some connections that would be great I

[1:13:58] Voice 28: I don't know if, Cindy, you wanted to say anything else about IOSA?

[1:14:02] Voice 17: I was.

[1:14:04] Voice 17: That was exactly what I wanted to say about IOSA.

[1:14:10] Voice 17: My one additional thought would be that we've been approaching these as very much separate issues because, as you know, we have lots of fishing vessels that come in and out.

[1:14:25] Voice 17: We have a lot of pleasure boating.

[1:14:26] Voice 17: In fact, we found out that our single most, the thing contributing to our air pollution most is recreational boating.

[1:14:38] Voice 17: But IOSA is adequate to response for those smaller vessels.

[1:14:44] Voice 17: When you're talking about 14 million gallons of fuel spilling into the Salish Sea in a matter of hours, that's where we've really got to start talking about trying to prevent that rather than respond to it.

[1:15:02] Voice 17: and that's where the ERTD comes in.

[1:15:04] Voice 17: But this information you just gave me

[1:15:07] Voice 17: about the transport vessel being constructed for the Arctic,

[1:15:13] Voice 17: that's really interesting information.

[1:15:16] Voice 17: Thank you for that.

[1:15:18] Voice 29: Yeah, just a little bit of a follow-up to that.

[1:15:21] Voice 29: The amount of vessels that WCR Mercy has now stationed in the corridor,

[1:15:26] Voice 29: I think it would be really good to make those connections

[1:15:29] Voice 29: and just to, you know, to see if there's synergies that can be made to sort of close the loop.

[1:15:36] Trustee Luckham: So some of this additional conversation could happen offline.

[1:15:40] Trustee Luckham: Let's make sure we're all connected and maintain those lines of communication.

[1:15:43] Trustee Luckham: Let's see what other topic or continued topics there are.

[1:15:47] Voice 2: What's your Patrick?

[1:15:52] Trustee Patrick: One of my favorite movies is The Mouse That Roared with Peter Sellers.

[1:15:56] Trustee Patrick: And we're going to be back having this conversation over and over unless we do something about it. And I think we could deal with items four and five very interestingly with this issue. I think we need a stronger, stronger than a letter, some form of joint statement and in partnership with the many First Nations indigenous governance bodies in this area, because I think many of them share similar concerns.

[1:16:21] Trustee Patrick: And I think we could have a very powerful, strong action off.

[1:16:27] Trustee Patrick: We all work together on that.

[1:16:30] Trustee Patrick: I wanna get my housing question in

[1:16:32] Trustee Patrick: because I may never get the mic again.

[1:16:34] Trustee Patrick: So I'm gonna throw it out there.

[1:16:37] Trustee Patrick: And I know you have two very successful

[1:16:40] Trustee Patrick: community land trusts on Orcas Island and Lopez Island.

[1:16:44] Trustee Patrick: And I know on the Opal on Orcas Island houses,

[1:16:48] Trustee Patrick: houses almost 25% of your population are in community land trust properties.

[1:16:55] Trustee Patrick: I was asking how the county supports those community land trusts.

[1:17:00] Trustee Patrick: What are some of the examples you do to support them?

[1:17:04] Voice 28: I'm going to defer again to Cindy to kick this off in terms of responding to that.

[1:17:09] Voice 28: There's a lot there.

[1:17:11] Voice 28: Again, another topic we could talk at length about,

[1:17:13] Voice 28: but Cindy, I think, can highlight really briefly how those entities are supported.

[1:17:17] Voice 28: Cindy, do you want to go ahead?

[1:17:19] Voice 28: Sure. So

[1:17:20] Voice 17: we I would say the soft power support is we have a housing advisory committee for the county that is comprised of representatives from different sectors of our economy.

[1:17:39] Voice 17: But also, we have representation usually of the major subsidized housing nonprofits in our county on that board.

[1:17:51] Voice 17: And that's where they work out a lot of their priorities.

[1:17:56] Voice 17: And then we're able to take those priorities and really advocate for them with our legislators.

[1:18:04] Voice 17: And that's been a pretty successful partnership.

[1:18:08] Voice 17: As far as really concrete support, we do have a housing coordinator that is paid by the county, and he is very efficient at finding grant resources and assisting those nonprofits in applying for grants

[1:18:28] Voice 17: and keeping the kinds of statistics that are necessary

[1:18:32] Voice 17: to be able to compete successfully for grants

[1:18:36] Voice 17: and community development block grants, particularly.

[1:18:42] Voice 17: Also, we sit on the Opportunity Council,

[1:18:46] Voice 17: which is a regional council

[1:18:47] Voice 17: that the community development block grants come through.

[1:18:50] Voice 17: So we make ourselves, even though we're very small,

[1:18:53] Voice 17: try to make ourselves helpful and indispensable

[1:18:56] Voice 17: in a regional way so we don't get forgotten

[1:18:58] Voice 17: when the big grants get parceled out.

[1:19:01] Voice 17: Also, and most importantly, probably,

[1:19:04] Voice 17: we have real estate excise tax

[1:19:07] Voice 17: that supports our subsidized housing.

[1:19:10] Voice 17: So we have a, I believe it's a 1% rate on all.

[1:19:18] Voice 17: So it's paid in the process of real estate transfers.

[1:19:25] Voice 17: And that money is divided out usually according to the recommendations that come from the Housing Advisory Committee.

[1:19:36] Voice 17: And oftentimes what happens is bigger state grants or federal grants will come with a stipulation that there be a local contribution.

[1:19:46] Voice 17: And so those funds can actually be used to leverage those grants.

[1:19:53] Voice 17: and sometimes low-cost loans from other sources that the non-profits use so and

[1:20:02] Voice 17: we I'm happy to say we're about we're in the process of constructing well

[1:20:09] Voice 17: anywhere from conception to construct to actual bulldozers on the ground

[1:20:15] Voice 17: constructing a hundred more housing units and what we had available in the

[1:20:20] Voice 17: the county when I first came into office so just

[1:20:25] Voice 28: just to follow on from thank you Cindy that was

[1:20:27] Voice 28: that was excellent I don't know what I'm going to do when she goes um but anyway uh you have my

[1:20:32] Voice 28: phone number it'll be fine we'll be allowed to talk um yeah so uh just um uh just to say

[1:20:40] Voice 28: in addition since I joined council um and Cindy was a champion of this um we were able to use

[1:20:47] Voice 28: councilmanic powers granted to us by the state uh to pass a one-tenth of one percent sales tax to

[1:20:53] Voice 28: fund affordable

[1:20:53] Voice 28: housing that um that has generated it generates eight hundred thousand dollars a year

[1:20:59] Voice 28: and um uh it also um and it does fund also um uh supports for those in need of housing um so it's

[1:21:08] Voice 28: it's a flexible local fund that we we stood up last year um and so we're really happy that we've

[1:21:15] Voice 28: got that as well I think the I sent to to you all through Alexandra a PowerPoint

[1:21:27] Voice 28: presentation that Ryan page our housing coordinator put together a year ago and

[1:21:33] Voice 28: he also sent I didn't get it to you he sent a summary of what the housing

[1:21:36] Voice 28: advisory committee has been working on in the course of the last year but he

[1:21:40] Voice 28: He would be an excellent resource for understanding how he works with the land trust, but also other not-for-profits.

[1:21:48] Voice 28: So, for example, we have a not-for-profit that just was created a few years ago called Lopez Housing.

[1:21:55] Voice 28: And he supports those not-for-profits and the land trust, as Cindy said, to leverage state funding.

[1:22:02] Voice 28: And he supports them very actively.

[1:22:03] Voice 28: but there's also philanthropic work going on on our islands

[1:22:08] Voice 28: where Lopez Housing is going to be,

[1:22:11] Voice 28: it's already started digging ground.

[1:22:13] Voice 28: We'll be having 15 housing rental units

[1:22:17] Voice 28: constructed by the end of this coming year

[1:22:19] Voice 28: on Lopez Island in the village.

[1:22:21] Voice 28: So there's, as Cindy said,

[1:22:24] Voice 28: I'm having Ryan Page dedicated to this

[1:22:26] Voice 28: in our Health and Community Services Department

[1:22:28] Voice 28: is so valuable because he just really works very tightly

[1:22:32] Voice 28: with our local partners.

[1:22:42] Voice 26: Yeah. So, I mean, obviously lots of really interesting things. I have got a lot of little tiny strings that I'm trying to trot together and I'm probably not going to get to all of them right now. So I'll try and connect with you offline as well.

[1:22:53] Voice 26: Well, very interesting stuff on all the housing questions there.

[1:22:58] Voice 26: Just to briefly go back to sort of spill response stuff, and Trustee Patrick sort of took the point that I had been going to make in terms of First Nations and Indigenous governing body inclusion in that.

[1:23:15] Voice 26: I found it to be very effective, very effective potential there.

[1:23:20] Voice 26: there. And my most recent sort of anecdote for that is, so we have a basically unregulated

[1:23:30] Voice 26: shipbreaking business that's opened up across Bains Sound from Denman Island and Hornby. And

[1:23:37] Voice 26: obviously we're a ways away from the San Juan, so I'm not anticipating any connection on that

[1:23:43] Voice 26: particularly. We have had some, there's been some issue with, we've had some American vessels

[1:23:47] Voice 26: is brought across because there's a voluntary uh i'm trying i can't remember the exact term

[1:23:52] Voice 26: but a voluntary responsibility to disclose hazardous materials so we've got two two vessels

[1:23:58] Voice 26: sitting there waiting to be chopped up and there's lots of heavy metals leaching into our

[1:24:01] Voice 26: into our sound um but uh as uh there's a body that uh has been sort of supported by trust council uh

[1:24:11] Voice 26: is the an eco forum that's been set up to sort of bring various government bodies and advocacy

[1:24:16] Voice 26: groups together talking about that situation. We had a meeting, we have meetings twice a year,

[1:24:23] Voice 26: and we had a meeting recently sort of talking about that situation, that issue. And one of

[1:24:26] Voice 26: the really valuable contributors or several of the very valuable contributors to that conversation

[1:24:31] Voice 26: were two of the local nations who spoke very powerfully and are very invested in combating

[1:24:38] Voice 26: those kinds of things. And so, you know, obviously this doesn't relate directly, but I have seen

[1:24:44] Voice 26: seen firsthand recently the power of those groups to be involved in that conversation.

[1:24:49] Voice 26: And as we know, dealing with these big issues that are hard to sort of pull together, you

[1:24:55] Voice 26: know, and hard to tackle from, you know, dealing with big industry from a local government

[1:24:59] Voice 26: perspective, we are so much more powerful when we bring all of those groups into the

[1:25:03] Voice 26: room.

[1:25:03] Voice 26: And so it was a really incredibly valuable experience for me.

[1:25:09] Voice 26: I really valued getting to see it.

[1:25:11] Voice 26: and it was you know i i i'm hopeful that there's going to be some some resolution there and you

[1:25:15] Voice 26: know i would hope to see that i think there's potential for that um in in situations dealing

[1:25:21] Voice 26: with the the waters between and tankers and those sorts of things um yeah i i run the bus service

[1:25:28] Voice 26: for my island so in terms of public transportation and meeting schools and all that sort of stuff

[1:25:32] Voice 26: i've got things there but we can talk about that another time um and yeah i mean i've been very

[1:25:36] Voice 26: interesting take lots of notes about housing things so yeah thank

[1:25:41] Trustee Luckham: you um do you want to start

[1:25:44] Trustee Luckham: us off on some other topic or in a certain direction sure i think yeah

[1:25:49] Voice 28: if everyone's okay

[1:25:51] Voice 28: with it um i i and i'm conscious of wanting to leave a little bit of time for the sort of the

[1:25:56] Voice 28: next steps conversation in terms of um you know what next how do we you know continue to reinforce

[1:26:02] Voice 28: towards this relationship going forward.

[1:26:05] Voice 28: But I think, again, while I still have Councilmember Wolf with me,

[1:26:11] Voice 28: sharing with you what we are as a county now very committed to leaning into,

[1:26:17] Voice 28: which is deepening our government-to-government engagement with tribes in our area.

[1:26:22] Voice 28: And it's been for the last few years that our Department of Environmental Stewardship,

[1:26:28] Voice 28: who has one staffer who essentially works on issues of cultural resources.

[1:26:35] Voice 28: She has been working to do some training and workshopping with staff

[1:26:41] Voice 28: to increase awareness of the importance of deepening our relationships

[1:26:47] Voice 28: between the county and tribes.

[1:26:49] Voice 28: And we recently, as a council, passed a resolution

[1:26:54] Voice 28: that commits us to that going forward.

[1:26:57] Voice 28: So it's not that we don't have relationships with tribes, we certainly do.

[1:27:01] Voice 28: We haven't had a consistent and thoughtful sort of approach to the way in which we as a county government engage with tribal governments.

[1:27:11] Voice 28: And so this is an initiative that Council Member Wolf has held very dear and sort of championed us on with the Department of Environmental Stewardship.

[1:27:23] Voice 28: And so by passing that resolution, we also attach to it what is a proposed method of consultation to begin to communicate with tribes about how we want to build our relationship in a more meaningful and thoughtful way.

[1:27:39] Voice 28: So I'm going to let Cindy just maybe say a couple of words on that. But we are here today most interested in just getting some insight, initial insight into how you are engaging with First Nations as local government entities on your islands. And I think we have a lot we would like to do to explore this with you in the future. So Cindy, did you just want to add a little bit to that?

[1:28:03] Voice 28: Sure.

[1:28:06] Voice 17: So just forgive me if I'm giving you information you already have, but the way that our government relationship works with the Coast Salish people who have, you know,

[1:28:22] Voice 17: ancestral lands and waters is where San Juan County is along with the rest of our islands, both Gulf and San Juans.

[1:28:36] Voice 17: We are on lands and waters that they ceded in treaties to with our federal government.

[1:28:47] Voice 17: And in the process of ceding those lands and waters, they gained rights to to access in perpetuity.

[1:29:00] Voice 17: And, but they also gained the dubious, I don't know what to call it, but anyway, basically, they had to organize themselves into nations that our federal governments recognized.

[1:29:22] Voice 17: And this is who has those access rights is these sovereign nations that are made up of people who have been, you know, related to each other and have had thousands and thousands of years of government and history under their own terms behind them and to integrate into these relatively new organizations.

[1:29:54] Voice 17: So we are then in a position where as small local governments, we are

[1:30:00] Voice 17: We are trying to establish relationships with other nations.

[1:30:08] Voice 17: We're doing international relations in a way.

[1:30:10] Voice 17: And when I first got onto council, it was clear that it was a politically auspicious time to start to figure out how we were going to deepen those ties.

[1:30:31] Voice 17: and that there were a lot of really good reasons to do that um we needed to have dialogue every

[1:30:39] Voice 17: time one of the things that counties do of course and and how we were established here in the united

[1:30:44] Voice 17: states is uh if we are in a lot of ways glorified roads departments and the first thing that

[1:30:51] Voice 17: counties were ever responsible for in the state of washington particularly was uh building and

[1:30:59] Voice 17: maintaining roads. Well, if you put a shovel in the ground anywhere around here within 600 yards

[1:31:07] Voice 17: of the shoreline, you're going to hit cultural resources. This place has been occupied for

[1:31:14] Voice 17: at least 10,000 years. And so we have tribal consultation requirements that we have to go

[1:31:22] Voice 17: through when we hit when we find things that are related to the history of the

[1:31:32] Voice 17: tribes the ancestry of the tribes and so how do you go about that especially in a

[1:31:39] Voice 17: place where we were summer territories there's some controversy but as far as

[1:31:46] Voice 17: the state of Washington is concerned there was nobody who had claimed to

[1:31:50] Voice 17: having a year-round long house here so we are a shared territorial claim for 14 different tribes

[1:32:00] Voice 17: so this is very different than a lot of our state where counties have maybe between one and five

[1:32:07] Voice 17: tribes that have that have declared that they've got treaty rights to those lands or and or waters

[1:32:20] Voice 17: We didn't have any formal relationships worked out. We had relationships that had been built, I'm grateful to say, by our predecessor, Jamie Stevens, largely through contact in those Puget Sound partnership groups where shared resource management is such a priority and such an issue.

[1:32:47] Voice 17: But we needed clearly to construct something that would allow us to have relationships staff to staff and council to council that were government structures that would outlast any particular person in office.

[1:33:07] Voice 17: And that can be a very tall ask culturally when you are working with tribal governments that are, they've all known each other forever, and they would prefer to work with people who they personally know and understand.

[1:33:27] Voice 17: And of course, that's just not the way that our governments work, whoever gets elected.

[1:33:33] Voice 17: So we have taken, we've seen an upsurge in cultural ties where just our citizenry and the citizenry of the tribal nations have taken the opportunity to do a lot of arts exchanges.

[1:33:51] Voice 17: there's been canoe family journeys, there's been, it's, it's, it's been a really interesting building of understanding and time spent together.

[1:34:05] Voice 17: and we're beginning to see expressed in our arts and history organizations a lot more

[1:34:14] Voice 17: acknowledgement of the full history of the islands and all of this long background you know all the

[1:34:23] Voice 17: way back to uh to the people who got here and were eating the bison on orcas island that we found

[1:34:29] Voice 17: it's 14,000 years old. So what's happened most recently is we've taken the opportunity to

[1:34:41] Voice 17: educate our staff on cultural competency. So for instance, I found myself at the side of the road

[1:34:54] Voice 17: explaining to the road crew one day that although when they do construction on our roads we have we

[1:35:04] Voice 17: have oil mat and if they have gravel left over a lot of times what they'll do is they'll just

[1:35:10] Voice 17: take it and whoever's driveway is nearby they will as a sort of a present take the leftover

[1:35:16] Voice 17: over gravel and press it into the driveway entrances and they did this on a piece of land

[1:35:22] Voice 17: that belonged to one of our tribes and i shouldn't say our tribes one of the tribal nations that is

[1:35:30] Voice 17: most has a lot of history on orcas island and that tribal government got really upset because

[1:35:39] Voice 17: Because where our road crew perceived that as kind of a bonus thing, like a gift, they perceived it as intrusion onto their territory without permission.

[1:35:50] Voice 17: And so trying to explain that, it became clear that we needed to have a lot more history and a lot more cultural competency training with our staff.

[1:36:01] Voice 17: And we went through that process, and then we generated within our organization kind of a map of what we thought would be helpful when people needed to do consultations.

[1:36:14] Voice 17: And we put one of our staff members who has a lot of contact with the tribes through marine resources negotiations through an extra piece of education through Evergreen State College.

[1:36:32] Voice 17: and she also then made arrangements to the same group that that came and did

[1:36:39] Voice 17: the cultural competency education helped her and helped the staff she works with

[1:36:47] Voice 17: develop a proposed framework for approaching tribal governments about how

[1:36:56] Voice 17: do they want to be consulted and how you know what what are the next steps what

[1:37:01] Voice 17: what should we do to make sure that we can keep track of who within their governments

[1:37:07] Voice 17: is handling certain kinds of issues and that they have a way to interact with the people

[1:37:14] Voice 17: in our government that are handling the same issues. So hopefully that was clear.

[1:37:23] Voice 28: Thank you, Cindy. Yeah, why don't we just open up for discussion?

[1:37:27] Trustee Luckham: Sure. Maybe I'll just start us off. And there's an awful lot there to unpack.

[1:37:31] Trustee Luckham: and we could have a conversation for a week about this topic.

[1:37:37] Trustee Luckham: It is certainly a significant and very important topic to us

[1:37:41] Trustee Luckham: and I would say is key to the most significant body of work

[1:37:46] Trustee Luckham: which is being undertaken by Council at the moment,

[1:37:48] Trustee Luckham: which is our policy statement.

[1:37:49] Trustee Luckham: It's our guiding principles document,

[1:37:52] Trustee Luckham: which quite frankly, 20 some odd years old,

[1:37:56] Trustee Luckham: hold is negligent and insulting on First Nations concerns and acknowledgements, and we need

[1:38:07] Trustee Luckham: to fix that.

[1:38:07] Trustee Luckham: And there's a lot of work going in there.

[1:38:09] Trustee Luckham: I'm really pleased to hear the language that you used that indicates that we're on a similar

[1:38:15] Trustee Luckham: path as human beings, we're on a similar path, hopefully worldwide, but certainly in this

[1:38:20] Trustee Luckham: part of the world, on cultural awareness, acknowledgement, and developing competency.

[1:38:26] Trustee Luckham: And we're doing that sort of thing internally with staff, of course, to change our culture,

[1:38:32] Trustee Luckham: but also with trustees.

[1:38:34] Trustee Luckham: But there's no denying the injustices and the inequities that have occurred.

[1:38:40] Trustee Luckham: It's interesting to note that what's happened across this fictitious line in the water in

[1:38:46] Trustee Luckham: the U.S. is different than what's happened in Canada with respect to colonialism.

[1:38:50] Trustee Luckham: and legislation, which is we struggle with almost every decision about how to reconcile

[1:38:59] Trustee Luckham: First Nations interests, because specifically for us, it's about the land. But I think what's

[1:39:07] Trustee Luckham: important is that we can hear from other members at this table is those relationship building

[1:39:11] Trustee Luckham: activities that are happening on a personal one-to-one basis in all of our communities.

[1:39:15] Trustee Luckham: So I'd like to open the floor up to that.

[1:39:18] Voice 17: And I would like to take the opportunity to say I don't want to lie over the difficulty that has been part of this process.

[1:39:26] Voice 17: The Bolt decision was a huge step in establishing the legal right of the indigenous nations in the United States, in particular in Washington, to shared resource management and to their own, you know, to being able to sustain their own governance.

[1:39:50] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:39:54] Trustee Luckham: I just want to say one more thing to acknowledge that families remain divided across the line in the water, from Lummi to Cowichan to up to Fraser River.

[1:40:07] Voice 14: So we have Trustees Peterson, Bernardo, Morris.

[1:40:14] Voice 4: Yeah, thank you. It's heartening and really interesting to hear your perspective.

[1:40:20] Voice 4: perspective. Certainly, there's a number of similarities across the imaginary line,

[1:40:27] Voice 4: but then also stark differences in terms of the recognition of rights. I heard that

[1:40:34] Voice 4: there was formal ceding of territory with inherent rights. A lot of that is mostly unresolved here in

[1:40:43] Voice 4: British Columbia which of course adds to the complexity and the the mention of

[1:40:51] Voice 4: essentially being involved in international relations is something

[1:40:56] Voice 4: that kind of that rings because certainly we as a local government under

[1:41:03] Voice 4: the province and under the federal government are essentially in that same

[1:41:09] Voice 4: position in a sense and and and don't have the the same standing in terms of our powers to

[1:41:19] Voice 4: negotiate so with we're really focused on relationship building and i think there's

[1:41:23] Voice 4: a lot of positive stuff happening there one of the things that i wanted to ask about

[1:41:29] Voice 4: um as i notice in one of the documents here um san juan county has initiated a

[1:41:35] Voice 4: countywide master services contract for archaeology and I wonder if either you

[1:41:40] Voice 4: can speak to that a little bit because I find that really interesting

[1:41:43] Voice 28: Cindy can

[1:41:45] Voice 28: you

[1:41:45] Voice 17: speak to that at all

[1:41:46] Voice 28: yeah

[1:41:47] Voice 17: that is a state requirement we have a State

[1:41:51] Voice 17: Department of his I think it's called history and archaeology and it is a

[1:41:58] Voice 17: requirement that in areas that have been determined between the state and the

[1:42:04] Voice 17: the tribes to be likely areas of cultural significance.

[1:42:11] Voice 17: In other words, you know,

[1:42:12] Voice 17: places where there might be a midden

[1:42:14] Voice 17: or there might be village sites, all those things.

[1:42:17] Voice 17: If construction occurs in those areas,

[1:42:21] Voice 17: it is required that an archeologist be on site

[1:42:24] Voice 17: during construction.

[1:42:26] Voice 17: And if cultural resources are found,

[1:42:30] Voice 17: found, the construction stops while the archaeologist evaluates whatever might have been

[1:42:39] Voice 17: found. And if it is determined, you know, if they find a bone and it looks like it's an old bone

[1:42:48] Voice 17: rather than, you know, somebody's recent chicken lunch, then the necessary steps are taken to

[1:42:57] Voice 17: contact the tribes that have ancestral claim to that area and determine what

[1:43:07] Voice 17: they want to do about those those remains and how to treat them

[1:43:15] Voice 17: respectfully sometimes you know the the the archaeologist is there basically to

[1:43:21] Voice 17: to ascertain whether this is,

[1:43:27] Voice 17: if it is of cultural significance at all, if it is,

[1:43:31] Voice 17: then it absolutely becomes the realm

[1:43:33] Voice 17: of the tribal governments to determine what is done.

[1:43:38] Voice 17: So they can decide, would they like things removed

[1:43:42] Voice 17: and taken someplace, returned to them?

[1:43:46] Voice 17: Would they rather that things be buried in place

[1:43:49] Voice 17: And, yeah, any of those choices made are absolutely respectfully theirs alone, and that is part

[1:44:01] Voice 17: of the tribe's interaction with the state.

[1:44:06] Voice 4: John Wiesman Yeah.

[1:44:07] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:44:08] Voice 4: Well, and maybe this is getting too, actually, it is getting too deep into it, so I'll just

[1:44:13] Voice 4: thank you, and then we'll talk about this later outside of this radio.

[1:44:17] Voice 4: Thanks.

[1:44:18] Trustee Luckham: just try and keep our comments short so that we can cover the breadth of the topic

[1:44:22] Voice 11: justin bernardo uh thank you um with respect to the uh relationships with indigenous governing

[1:44:30] Voice 11: bodies or you know what you call tribal governments um over at our end we've got a

[1:44:37] Voice 11: jurisdictional limitation in the sense that you know first of all we're a land management and

[1:44:43] Voice 11: planning entity and that's the limit of our jurisdiction that's the limit of the things

[1:44:48] Voice 11: that we can do and so the challenge we face as we try to build these

[1:44:54] Voice 11: relationships is the indigenous governor's governing bodies here I mean

[1:44:57] Voice 11: the issues that they care about transcend that by quite a bit

[1:45:03] Voice 11: principally they're seeking essentially a level of economy that they haven't had

[1:45:07] Voice 11: in the past and that includes elements of sovereignty that are somewhat similar

[1:45:12] Voice 11: to what is already in place with respect to some of your tribal governments but

[1:45:17] Voice 11: but also much more complex things in terms of co-management in areas of mutual interest that are compelling for First Nations.

[1:45:25] Voice 11: So I'm just wondering if you could comment on your jurisdictional challenges,

[1:45:30] Voice 11: because over at our end, it's really between the provincial and federal government to work out arrangements that are going to new territory.

[1:45:41] Voice 11: Our jurisdiction is derivative of whatever the province gives us.

[1:45:44] Voice 11: And I'm wondering how San Juan County, what its jurisdictional limitations are and how you cope with them.

[1:45:49] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:45:51] Voice 17: Yeah, our jurisdictional limitations are very similar.

[1:45:55] Voice 17: The treaties are federal to federal, essentially.

[1:46:00] Voice 17: So it's trying to maintain and bolster the sovereignty of the tribal governments requires recognition of what the level is of transaction there in terms of peer-to-peer consultations.

[1:46:14] Voice 17: But we, because we are the local, we're kind of where the rubber meets the road on a lot of land use and road construction and all those kinds of things.

[1:46:27] Voice 17: We end up doing a lot of work with the tribes, with their natural resources departments, with their cultural resources departments, because they have asked that we consult with them.

[1:46:46] Voice 17: And the first step in consultation is asking, how do you want to be consulted?

[1:46:53] Voice 17: Like, do you want us to talk to you every, you know, to notify you of all of it?

[1:47:02] Voice 17: Do you want us to, do you want to designate one of the tribal governments to be the primary point of contact for certain islands?

[1:47:10] Voice 17: What is it that you want to work out sort of intertribally amongst yourselves?

[1:47:15] Voice 17: We're willing to work with whatever they would like to do.

[1:47:19] Voice 17: And in some counties, that's how it works.

[1:47:22] Voice 17: There'll be five tribes that have ancestral treaty rights to land in a particular county.

[1:47:33] Voice 17: But if there's one tribe that has a larger presence, oftentimes the other tribal governments will defer to that tribe's cultural resources department to take the consultation contact and make the decisions.

[1:47:53] Voice 17: Here, we don't know yet.

[1:47:55] Voice 17: We're working on that.

[1:47:56] Voice 17: It's a pretty complex issue.

[1:47:58] Voice 17: you um are you know what one of the things uh just as an example uh of jurisdictional challenges

[1:48:09] Voice 17: is for instance mooring boys so um we have mooring boys uh in county waters we have mooring

[1:48:19] Voice 17: boys that dnr has jurisdiction over we have mooring boys that um that uh the coast guard

[1:48:26] Voice 17: has you know that the feds basically have jurisdiction over and so that can

[1:48:35] Voice 17: get very challenging because you have to figure out who who has control of the

[1:48:42] Voice 17: waters and the tribes that have fishing rights in the area one of them or all of

[1:48:50] Voice 17: them may need to be consulted about how many mooring boys are allowed in any

[1:48:58] Voice 17: certain area because it conflicts with their fishing rights if there are so

[1:49:02] Voice 17: many more and boys that they can't have access to the fish so yes we can't we

[1:49:11] Voice 17: can't we can't make a treaty with a tribal government we don't have that

[1:49:18] Voice 17: jurisdiction but we can't honor the treaty rights and we essentially have to create the operational

[1:49:25] Voice 17: relationship with the tribe and they have um there's been some hesitation on their part i

[1:49:36] Voice 17: would say um because they don't want anybody to get confused about whether they are peers with

[1:49:44] Voice 17: the county government rather than with the federal government but they are also very interested in

[1:49:50] Voice 17: the environmental health of this area, for obvious reasons, they got to eat here. And

[1:49:58] Voice 17: so they've been pretty, pretty understanding and pretty responsive about dealing with us on

[1:50:07] Voice 17: day to day issues. And gentle, I would say, as we come to understand what our roles are together.

[1:50:17] Voice 17: other.

[1:50:19] Voice 28: Cindy, there was some, I don't know, I think I sensed murmuring

[1:50:22] Voice 28: when you mentioned the word mooring bullies in the room, and so I just wondered

[1:50:26] Voice 28: if you'd like to

[1:50:30] Voice 28: speak up and share some perspective on that in your

[1:50:34] Voice 28: area.

[1:50:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for recognizing it, because I think Cindy was

[1:50:38] Trustee Luckham: disadvantaged in not hearing that murmuring. I felt the murmuring.

[1:50:42] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, we generally are in agreement

[1:50:46] Trustee Luckham: of recognizing that as a problem.

[1:50:47] Trustee Luckham: But I'm also cognizant of the remaining time

[1:50:51] Trustee Luckham: and closing remarks.

[1:50:54] Trustee Luckham: And obviously, you know, I'll just say,

[1:50:56] Trustee Luckham: I think maybe next time we just need to have one topic

[1:50:59] Trustee Luckham: on this list and have an in-depth conversation about that.

[1:51:03] Trustee Luckham: But we need to do this again and again,

[1:51:07] Trustee Luckham: not only to build that relationship.

[1:51:11] Trustee Luckham: So I'm just going to go back to the speaker's list

[1:51:15] Trustee Luckham: to do justice to that and just say let's have some wrap-up closing remarks and um and and continue on

[1:51:23] Trustee Luckham: and we're going to break for lunch you're joining us for lunch and um it'd be great if we got a

[1:51:28] Trustee Luckham: virtual sandwich but i don't know that's impossible but let's go back to the speakers list and uh

[1:51:33] Trustee Luckham: let's wrap up by noon and uh continue on jesse morrison so

[1:51:39] Voice 8: just a couple quick comments um

[1:51:41] Voice 8: Thank you so much for your work in this direction.

[1:51:44] Voice 8: The Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Canada

[1:51:47] Voice 8: has a lot of resources, particularly the work that they've done

[1:51:50] Voice 8: on community-to-community reconciliation efforts,

[1:51:52] Voice 8: which, given what you're talking about about relationships,

[1:51:55] Voice 8: seems like an appropriate sort of space.

[1:51:57] Voice 8: And I know from my work in Washington state

[1:52:00] Voice 8: that many tribal nations look north to the work

[1:52:04] Voice 8: that is being done in Canada around that

[1:52:05] Voice 8: and are interested in that work.

[1:52:08] Voice 8: with respect to the just building out relationships in place that can actually help your federal

[1:52:16] Voice 8: relationships if you're a settler population start to like work in relationship with First Nations

[1:52:21] Voice 8: and understand those histories of place so that that could be amazing and then the last thing kind

[1:52:28] Voice 8: of loops back and connects to an issue earlier the oil transit in this Salish Sea region and

[1:52:35] Voice 8: and particularly with the Trans Mountain Pipeline,

[1:52:39] Voice 8: we are getting a different form of oil in the region

[1:52:42] Voice 8: than we have historically, and that form of oil is heavy.

[1:52:46] Voice 8: And so it won't necessarily respond in the same way

[1:52:49] Voice 8: to spill kits or to other types of things.

[1:52:52] Voice 8: It can sink.

[1:52:54] Voice 8: And so that is an area that could be a point of solidarity

[1:52:59] Voice 8: with your tribal nations

[1:53:01] Voice 8: as you think about how to build out local around

[1:53:06] Voice 8: and listen and learn with them

[1:53:08] Voice 8: about what are the areas of concern

[1:53:10] Voice 8: because there has been significant work

[1:53:13] Voice 8: on both sides of the border

[1:53:15] Voice 8: by Indigenous communities around rights

[1:53:18] Voice 8: and keeping it in the ground arguments.

[1:53:23] Voice 23: Trustee Elliott.

[1:53:27] Voice 19: I think in the interest of time,

[1:53:29] Voice 19: I'd be really keen to know

[1:53:31] Voice 19: if there are any of your standing committees

[1:53:33] Voice 19: that we could observe, perhaps, or could we perhaps have a working group to share some

[1:53:42] Voice 19: ideas? For instance, the Islands Trust has been working on asking questions of the many nations

[1:53:49] Voice 19: that we also engage with. How is the referral process working for you? We have sort of this

[1:53:56] Voice 19: automatic referral for every bylaw and every OCP amendment which the Minister

[1:54:06] Voice 19: of Municipal Affairs that that's the provincial agency which holds the

[1:54:10] Voice 19: relationship with the First Nation but they delegate that responsibility to us

[1:54:17] Voice 19: as a local government and we have to prove a record of engagement and if

[1:54:26] Voice 19: the minister might return it and say that this needs more work and that has happened in the case

[1:54:31] Voice 19: with our conservancy which holds significant amounts of land nature reserves covenants on

[1:54:37] Voice 19: private properties and so we are looking ahead and actually asking questions about the philosophy of

[1:54:43] Voice 19: conservation in the trust area in the islands and just as you've articulated these places have been

[1:54:50] Voice 19: occupied and homelands for 10,000 years and so adjusting our view of

[1:54:56] Voice 19: conservation and how to what what is going to be the different what will be

[1:55:03] Voice 19: the different sorts of agreements management plans and even return of lands

[1:55:08] Voice 19: to nations but because many most First Nations most of BC is not treaty settled

[1:55:16] Voice 19: yet and that does cause issues but there are many nations who have

[1:55:21] Voice 19: developed bilateral provincial and federal agreements and so we're but

[1:55:27] Voice 19: again just like you were on the ground working out these issues in a very

[1:55:31] Voice 19: granular way I'd say the more the most pressing things that we could probably

[1:55:35] Voice 19: work together on is how to destigmatize the finding of heritage and

[1:55:44] Voice 19: and archaeological, I don't want to call them resources, ancestral remains, and sacred areas

[1:55:50] Voice 19: on private lands, because most of the islands are, I think, 90% privately held. And so we have a lot

[1:55:57] Voice 19: of work to do on education in our communities, and I think that's where local governments are

[1:56:02] Voice 19: best positioned, because we're so close to the issue, is to lift off that fear, celebrate our

[1:56:09] Voice 19: shared cultural heritage. You mentioned tribal journeys, canoes. I know they come from all up

[1:56:16] Voice 19: the coast down to Puyallup, Washington last summer. And so anywhere where we can advance

[1:56:21] Voice 19: those cultural learnings in our communities, I think is really key. I'd just love to see

[1:56:26] Voice 19: an inter or trans-border working group so we can learn from one another's processes,

[1:56:31] Voice 19: even though the legislative structures and the treaty relationship might be different,

[1:56:36] Voice 19: but be very keen to support that.

[1:56:38] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:56:39] Voice 19: Sorry.

[1:56:39] Trustee Luckham: So, as I said, a lot to unpack,

[1:56:43] Trustee Luckham: and we could have this conversation for a week.

[1:56:46] Trustee Luckham: I'm afraid that we have virtually run out of time,

[1:56:50] Trustee Luckham: and so my closing remarks would be

[1:56:54] Trustee Luckham: let's keep this conversation alive.

[1:56:57] Trustee Luckham: I want to acknowledge, I said to Jane earlier,

[1:57:00] Trustee Luckham: Cindy, I thank you for the last couple of years

[1:57:03] Trustee Luckham: of keeping this relationship alive,

[1:57:04] Trustee Luckham: live, and your council for having the ability for you to join us here today. You can see there's

[1:57:11] Trustee Luckham: plenty for us to talk about, and we have to find a way to have more of these conversations.

[1:57:17] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, you have a motion. You have a motion.

[1:57:21] Trustee Luckham: That's a good thing.

[1:57:24] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to make a motion in the spirit. I hope, Trust Council, that this is something that we can

[1:57:28] Trustee Patrick: go through quickly, and I know staff have already reviewed it, so I'm going to throw it on the floor

[1:57:31] Trustee Patrick: and hope we don't have to debate it long. It's not the mouse that roared. It might be more of a squeak,

[1:57:35] Trustee Patrick: but we'll start with that. I move that the Trust Council

[1:57:39] Trustee Patrick: request staff to report to the Executive Committee on options to support renewed

[1:57:43] Trustee Patrick: advocacy with San Juan County and Indigenous governing bodies

[1:57:47] Trustee Patrick: that is directed to our respective federal and state prevention bodies

[1:57:51] Trustee Patrick: on oil spill prevention in the Salish Sea. And I have a reference to our strategic

[1:57:55] Trustee Patrick: plan.

[1:57:56] Trustee Luckham: Well, we have a moved and a seconded.

[1:57:59] Trustee Luckham: I'm hoping and assuming you've maybe had some conversation with the staff.

[1:58:03] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. Fantastic. I love it. And so despite it seeming on the fly, it has had some investment.

[1:58:10] Trustee Luckham: And so thank everybody for that. And and thank you for the proactive action.

[1:58:16] Trustee Luckham: Is there anybody that wants to debate this or shall we just vote on it? Let's vote.

[1:58:22] Trustee Luckham: That's fantastic.

[1:58:23] Voice 10: In San Juan would be helpful. There's a misspelling in San Juan County, I think.

[1:58:31] Voice 10: it

[1:58:38] Trustee Luckham: says san mon county is that correct we're good yeah okay i'm

[1:58:44] Voice 30: going to call the vote

[1:58:45] Voice 30: all those in favor hands

[1:58:49] Trustee Luckham: down any opposed all right unanimous uh lord patrick thank you very

[1:58:55] Trustee Luckham: much for that that's as good a closing remark as we can get over to you thank

[1:59:01] Voice 28: you trey welcome i

[1:59:02] Voice 28: mean fantastic tremendous thank you so much for that um uh that is really really meaningful um

[1:59:08] Voice 28: And I know both Cindy and I will look forward to going back to discuss what happened today in council with our seatmate, Christine Minnie, but also to share with staff the robustness and depth of this conversation.

[1:59:24] Voice 28: So I feel very heartened stepping out of this discussion.

[1:59:29] Voice 28: And I think, Peter, with Council Member Wolf stepping down and same with Council Member

[1:59:37] Voice 28: Minney, what I see with too many people joining Council is an opportunity to further deepen

[1:59:43] Voice 28: this connection.

[1:59:45] Voice 28: Dare I say, you know, there is a 2007 Transborder Island Agreement between Islands Trust and

[1:59:52] Voice 28: San Juan County.

[1:59:53] Voice 28: and I when I was reading it through I wondered to myself can we can we bring

[1:59:58] Voice 28: it but up to speed can we bring it

[2:00:00] Voice 28: up to current current time perhaps revisit again revisit it again see if we want to adapt it a

[2:00:06] Voice 28: little bit but i really would love to um formalize this continued engagement in some manner and so

[2:00:12] Voice 28: perhaps we can talk a little bit about that offline um and uh i would very much look forward

[2:00:18] Voice 28: to an opportunity to meet with you again next year with my two new seat mates and hopefully in person

[2:00:23] Voice 28: but um so many rich ideas that have been shared today and really really appreciate it and i think

[2:00:29] Voice 28: Cindy may want to have the last word.

[2:00:35] Voice 17: It has been a pleasure to be with you today and I thank you

[2:00:41] Voice 17: for the good dialogue and I hope it will continue during lunch and I think it's very fortuitous that

[2:00:49] Voice 17: in this time of renewed relations we have a Canadian-American dual citizen in the chair of

[2:00:57] Voice 17: of our county. So much appreciated. And I look forward to being on many committees for the rest

[2:01:06] Voice 17: of my life here in San Juan County.

[2:01:11] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much. And indeed, our protocol 1998 revised

[2:01:17] Trustee Luckham: last time in 2007. The world has changed a lot since 2007. So let's embrace that into a make

[2:01:25] Trustee Luckham: it a living document so thank you for that and uh you know i would say hi to cm and help communion

[2:01:30] Trustee Luckham: from our coast salish uh friends and um thank you for being here so let's break for lunch although

[2:01:36] Trustee Luckham: before we just break for lunch you know we're a little bit behind our schedule how about we come

[2:01:41] Trustee Luckham: back a little bit early and maybe do some catch up we got an hour scheduled how about we come back 15

[2:01:46] Trustee Luckham: minutes early and be here 12 45. can we do that awesome okay thank you everybody that's reset

[2:44:44] Voice 23: cool today but

[2:44:45] Trustee Luckham: winter is coming inevitable closing the doors would help but we're going to go back

[2:44:50] Trustee Luckham: into restricted in camera so i'm going to have to ask other folks in the room and staff to depart

[2:44:59] Trustee Luckham: and i'm going to say that's going to be brief i hope and uh let us continue so can i let me think

[2:45:09] Trustee Luckham: about this now so deb

[2:45:11] Voice 23: do you still have that motion handy no

[2:45:19] Trustee Luckham: but i want to get the motion

[2:45:35] Trustee Luckham: I'm still going to ask them to read the motion.

[2:45:39] Trustee Luckham: When you're ready with recording, then we'll be in the public

[2:45:42] Trustee Luckham: venue. I see. Thank you.

[2:45:46] Trustee Luckham: Welcome back, everybody. We've just had, honestly, a delightful conversation

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham: with San Juan County, and I hope that you were able to observe that.

[2:45:55] Trustee Luckham: We did not conclude our in-camera conversation

[2:45:58] Trustee Luckham: earlier and so we're just going to go hopefully briefly back into in camera

[2:46:02] Trustee Luckham: and and return to you shortly so I'm gonna ask for a motion that the meeting

[2:46:09] Voice 8: be closed to the public subject to sections 91 a and C of the Community

[2:46:13] Voice 8: Charter in order to consider matters related to personal information about an

[2:46:16] Voice 8: identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an

[2:46:20] Voice 8: officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position

[2:46:24] Voice 8: appointed by the municipality and employee relations that and that the

[2:46:28] Voice 8: interim chief administrative officer and chief administrative officer attend

[2:46:32] Voice 8: meeting all

[2:46:34] Trustee Luckham: right so move seconded somebody over there

[2:46:38] Voice 30: thank you all those

[2:46:43] Voice 30: in favor and

[2:46:47] Trustee Luckham: down and so it was Aaron seconded the motion and so we're now in

[2:46:55] Trustee Luckham: camera so let's terminate the and i'll ask

[2:47:00] Voice 30: you others to leave welcome

[2:47:15] Trustee Luckham: back members of the public

[2:47:16] Trustee Luckham: um we've just returned from an in-camera session um on uh restricted in camera material of which

[2:47:25] Trustee Luckham: uh and have nothing to report um there are possibly a couple of motions that might have

[2:47:31] Trustee Luckham: come forward that need to be made in an open meeting that the members of council might

[2:47:36] Trustee Luckham: might want to advance at this time.

[2:47:37] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to go to Judy Getty, who has a remark.

[2:47:42] Trustee Luckham: She said, promise me two seconds.

[2:47:44] Trustee Luckham: And then I'm gonna go to Christina Evans,

[2:47:47] Trustee Luckham: who has indicated a motion

[2:47:48] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps Deb Morrison has made the motion.

[2:47:51] Voice 9: I wanted to put it on the record

[2:47:52] Voice 9: and remind everybody that we have things to celebrate.

[2:47:57] Voice 9: Yesterday was the 25th anniversary

[2:47:58] Voice 9: of the incorporation of Bowen Island as a municipality.

[2:48:01] Voice 9: And a main part of that vote

[2:48:03] Voice 9: was that we remain within the Islands Trust.

[2:48:05] Voice 9: us. So we are both. Happy birthday.

[2:48:11] Voice 30: Thank you, Judy. Trustee Evans, did you have a motion

[2:48:16] Voice 30: for us?

[2:48:19] Voice 16: Yeah, I've got a recommended

[2:48:21] Voice 16: one that I'd like a little help with around the table, I think. So I've given, I've written it up

[2:48:26] Voice 16: for Alexandra when she has a second, but I can read it out.

[2:48:30] Trustee Luckham: So let's read it out slowly and Alexandra will get

[2:48:34] Trustee Luckham: it on the screen. And then thank you for asking for

[2:48:38] Trustee Luckham: help you could start reading it now if you have a copy of it

[2:48:48] Voice 16: okay so um uh that trust council

[2:48:55] Voice 16: request executive committee to schedule a facilitated session focusing on trustee conduct

[2:49:03] Voice 16: and tools at council and chair responsibility during council sessions and standing committees

[2:49:11] Voice 16: and this is sort of coming up from

[2:49:14] Voice 16: I'm just asking for

[2:49:15] Voice 16: oh it's up there already

[2:49:18] Voice 16: I'll speak to it in a second

[2:49:21] Voice 16: I'm asking for help

[2:49:22] Voice 16: in developing it

[2:49:27] Trustee Luckham: there's a dilemma

[2:49:28] Trustee Luckham: there right

[2:49:28] Trustee Luckham: I haven't moved it

[2:49:30] Trustee Luckham: no you haven't moved it yet but the motion's on the screen

[2:49:33] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to

[2:49:37] Trustee Luckham: indulge you

[2:49:38] Trustee Luckham: and say

[2:49:40] Trustee Luckham: have a look at this council

[2:49:41] Trustee Luckham: are there any immediately obvious changes whether or not you agree with it

[2:49:49] Trustee Luckham: or not sorry

[2:49:51] Voice 8: point of order I respect the motion but it's it's new business I

[2:49:54] Voice 8: would say if it comes and we have an agenda I would request that we keep to

[2:49:59] Voice 8: our agenda and deal with those things and add this at the end of new business

[2:50:02] Voice 8: if it's appropriate for the council and just because we do we are tight on time

[2:50:11] Trustee Luckham: this has come from the in-camera session and i think there's some weight to it i respect that um

[2:50:20] Trustee Luckham: it is new business i i do have a list of items that i do want to proceed through

[2:50:26] Trustee Luckham: um what's council's is council prepared to indulge a new motion based upon the

[2:50:34] Trustee Luckham: in-camera conversation in today's session when privileged i think

[2:50:39] Trustee Luckham: yes

[2:50:40] Voice 11: um a point of order has been made and i think you are required to rule on it

[2:50:47] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to rule that the motion is in order, because it came from in-camera discussion,

[2:50:53] Trustee Luckham: which was on the agenda.

[2:50:57] Trustee Luckham: Any disagreement with that?

[2:51:00] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[2:51:01] Trustee Luckham: Back to you, Trustee Evans.

[2:51:02] Trustee Luckham: This motion, I'm going to ask you to make the motion, and then we'll go through amendments,

[2:51:06] Trustee Luckham: because that is the right process.

[2:51:08] Voice 16: Trustee Lee Cross- Okay.

[2:51:09] Voice 16: So, I move that Trust Council request Executive Committee to schedule a facilitated session

[2:51:13] Voice 16: focusing on trustee conduct and tools at council and chair responsibilities during

[2:51:20] Voice 16: council sessions and standing committees thank

[2:51:23] Trustee Luckham: you do I have a seconder for this

[2:51:25] Trustee Luckham: motion trustee Elliot thank you you wish to speak to the motion yeah

[2:51:33] Voice 16: I think it

[2:51:34] Voice 16: would just be a really good idea to have somebody come in and facilitate

[2:51:36] Voice 16: something to give the trustees around the table a better understanding of

[2:51:40] Voice 16: tools available to them especially when discussions get heated and we get

[2:51:45] Voice 16: emotional um how to uh how to self-regulate ourselves and how to help um control the

[2:51:54] Voice 16: emotions in the room for ourselves and also for the executive committee and the chairs

[2:52:00] Voice 16: how to control the room not just in council but also at standing uh committees and what their

[2:52:07] Voice 16: roles and responsibilities as chairs actually are okay

[2:52:10] Trustee Luckham: all right um is there are there any

[2:52:13] Trustee Luckham: speakers or amendments to the motion, I'd love to call the vote.

[2:52:17] Voice 26: Trustee Bartholick. Very quickly, yeah, certainly

[2:52:21] Voice 26: this has echoed sort of my feelings around this session. I think it would be really good for us

[2:52:26] Voice 26: to get tight on procedure, but I think that'll help support the process as we go through things.

[2:52:30] Voice 26: And I don't want to necessarily make an amendment to add this, but I'd like to

[2:52:34] Voice 26: potentially suggest to staff that I really

[2:52:38] Voice 26: benefited from Lisa Zwarn's chair training presentation.

[2:52:41] Voice 26: presentation. I don't know if that, we don't need to

[2:52:43] Voice 26: specifically specify. We can't specify, it has to go through.

[2:52:45] Voice 26: No, no, I just, I'm just adding

[2:52:47] Voice 26: that to the discussion. I thought she was very good.

[2:52:51] Trustee Luckham: Any other speakers on the motion?

[2:52:55] Voice 23: I'm going to call the vote then. All those

[2:52:56] Voice 23: in favor?

[2:53:05] Voice 23: Online?

[2:53:08] Voice 23: That's clearly online.

[2:53:09] Voice 30: Okay, so lower your hands. Any

[2:53:11] Voice 30: opposed?

[2:53:16] Voice 11: So one

[2:53:17] Trustee Luckham: online. Opposed?

[2:53:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so this carries. Thank you very

[2:53:20] Trustee Luckham: much, Trustee Evans.

[2:53:23] Trustee Luckham: Are there any

[2:53:25] Trustee Luckham: other motions pertinent to the in-camera discussion otherwise i have a list here of items

[2:53:31] Trustee Luckham: that i'm just going to run through i'm going to skip over some items on our agenda if there's

[2:53:36] Trustee Luckham: time at the end we can go back and revisit revisit them by request not seeing any other business i'm

[2:53:43] Trustee Luckham: going to move to the planning services section there's two pieces and some of this stuff is

[2:53:50] Trustee Luckham: just timely we need to do it in a timely fashion there's two reports there from uh planning

[2:53:56] Trustee Luckham: services and they are there for your um to receive for information and if there's any questions on

[2:54:03] Trustee Luckham: those i'd uh look for those now to direct them to uh uh laura patrick which one do you wish to

[2:54:10] Trustee Luckham: speak to uh both of those items please okay so and so both items so let's go to the first item

[2:54:17] Trustee Luckham: then 11.1.1 uh director of planning services report and trustee patrick over here um

[2:54:24] Trustee Patrick: motions

[2:54:25] Trustee Patrick: or resolutions were forwarded to um on this item so hopefully they they were done like days ago

[2:54:33] Trustee Patrick: yesterday three days ago i don't remember um anyway i talked about it in my report earlier

[2:54:38] Trustee Patrick: uh in regard to the motion made in september to allocate funding uh to advance the um

[2:54:46] Trustee Patrick: to support coordination of roundtables and technical working groups.

[2:54:51] Trustee Patrick: Through preparing for that work, a steering committee is in the formation stage,

[2:54:58] Trustee Patrick: plus we have gotten significant support from regional districts,

[2:55:04] Trustee Patrick: and we have four electoral area directors from four different regional districts

[2:55:10] Trustee Patrick: that are eager to join and do this work.

[2:55:13] Trustee Patrick: So we're moving toward a, we're creating a steering committee to allow to steer this work.

[2:55:19] Trustee Patrick: And the steering committee should be a body of trust counsel, not a body of a committee.

[2:55:24] Trustee Patrick: It is simply a steering committee of the work that was already approved by this to do the roundtables and workshops.

[2:55:31] Trustee Patrick: It's just like I said, it's broadening more interest, which is a good issue.

[2:55:34] Trustee Patrick: So I do have a resolution.

[2:55:36] Trustee Patrick: I'm trying to privilege, what are we talking about?

[2:55:38] Trustee Patrick: Oh, this is the item in Stefan's report

[2:55:41] Trustee Patrick: about the round table on tiny homes.

[2:55:44] Trustee Patrick: Item 11.1.1 in Director Cermak's report.

[2:55:49] Trustee Luckham: 7.1.1.

[2:55:50] Trustee Patrick: It talks about the Regional Planning Committee

[2:55:51] Trustee Patrick: and the work on tiny homes.

[2:55:53] Trustee Patrick: Yep, sorry, I should have done that.

[2:55:55] Trustee Patrick: I was trying to be quick.

[2:55:57] Trustee Patrick: I have a resolution on the table.

[2:55:59] Trustee Patrick: I'll just make it and we can have the discussion afterwards

[2:56:02] Trustee Patrick: if that helps.

[2:56:03] Trustee Patrick: Oops, let me make sure I do the right version.

[2:56:06] Trustee Patrick: sorry I'll read off the

[2:56:07] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Trust Council convene

[2:56:10] Trustee Patrick: a steering committee to guide the technical

[2:56:11] Trustee Patrick: work to explore the barriers to legal

[2:56:13] Trustee Patrick: occupancy of tiny homes on wheels

[2:56:16] Trustee Patrick: and the associated siting and use

[2:56:18] Trustee Patrick: regulations and appoint

[2:56:19] Trustee Patrick: Trustees Boland, Campbell, Patrick

[2:56:22] Trustee Patrick: and Elliot and invite membership

[2:56:24] Trustee Patrick: of up to four electoral area directors

[2:56:28] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by

[2:56:28] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Borswick

[2:56:30] Trustee Patrick: You wish

[2:56:32] Trustee Luckham: to speak to it?

[2:56:33] Trustee Patrick: I know this is

[2:56:34] Trustee Patrick: It would be lovely to say this happened quickly. I'm really proud of getting the attention from the other electoral areas.

[2:56:40] Trustee Patrick: This allows us to officially invite them. They're getting their board approval to join as well.

[2:56:46] Trustee Patrick: And we'll keep you posted and updated. All right.

[2:56:51] Trustee Luckham: And he has a discussion on this. OK, I'm going to call

[2:56:56] Voice 23: the vote. All those in favor.

[2:57:05] Trustee Luckham: OK, please lower your hand. Any opposed? Lowering your hands online so we can get that slate clear.

[2:57:12] Trustee Luckham: any opposed and so there are none opposed that carries thank you very much

[2:57:17] Trustee Luckham: from trustee Patrick did you have another motion yes

[2:57:21] Trustee Patrick: sorry this is in

[2:57:23] Trustee Patrick: regard to the next item which is 11 1 2 on the staff report in there there's

[2:57:28] Trustee Patrick: quite a bit of information from staff on on update

[2:57:30] Trustee Luckham: just for the clarity we are

[2:57:33] Trustee Luckham: are now on 11.2.1 11.1.2 11.1.2 that's great yeah

[2:57:41] Trustee Patrick: um there's a lot of information in there

[2:57:43] Trustee Patrick: updating uh you and i i won't attempt to answer so if you have questions on that however there

[2:57:48] Trustee Patrick: is a motion in there a regional planning committee unanimously uh passed this motion to support

[2:57:53] Trustee Patrick: staff to proceed with a grant application uh realizing that uh to proceed with a grant

[2:57:59] Trustee Patrick: application would be much stronger if this body made that motion i'm going to put that motion on

[2:58:04] Trustee Patrick: the table um that trust council approved staff proceeding with a grant application of up to 500

[2:58:11] Trustee Patrick: 000 over two years from the watershed security fund to implement key initiatives under the

[2:58:16] Trustee Patrick: islands trust freshwater sustainability strategy including staffing consulting and technical

[2:58:21] Trustee Patrick: resources to undertake the following projects and initiatives islands trust area freshwater footprint

[2:58:27] Trustee Patrick: print, Islands Trust Area Watershed Resiliency Mapping, Freshwater Sustainability Regulatory

[2:58:32] Trustee Patrick: and Policy Audit, Freshwater Help Desk, Island Trust Freshwater Atlas, Freshwater Sustainability

[2:58:40] Trustee Patrick: Technical Advisory Committee, and Watershed Governance.

[2:58:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:58:45] Trustee Luckham: Do you wish to speak to the motion?

[2:58:47] Trustee Luckham: I thought you just moved it.

[2:58:51] Trustee Luckham: Oh, sorry.

[2:58:54] Trustee Luckham: Seconded, Judy Getty.

[2:58:56] Trustee Luckham: There is now a motion.

[2:58:57] Trustee Luckham: The

[2:58:58] Trustee Patrick: staff report that's there goes into the details of what staff are hoping.

[2:59:04] Trustee Patrick: This is a grant application.

[2:59:06] Trustee Patrick: I can't speak to the likelihood of success or not.

[2:59:09] Trustee Patrick: This is a lot of work, but this is around the grant application, and I would expect

[2:59:15] Trustee Patrick: a much more fulsome reporting coming from staff in the future on this topic.

[2:59:22] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:59:22] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:59:24] Trustee Luckham: Speakers on the motion.

[2:59:25] Trustee Luckham: David Mark.

[2:59:26] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Evans.

[2:59:28] Voice 16: I just have a question.

[2:59:29] Voice 16: Jen, you said you're looking to proceed with a grant application.

[2:59:33] Voice 16: So this is not going to be coming out of any tax

[2:59:36] Voice 16: funds. This is purely out of 100% grant

[2:59:41] Voice 16: funding. So

[2:59:49] Voice 16: just the time and resources

[2:59:51] Voice 16: of the staff person to apply for the grants.

[2:59:56] Great.

[2:59:58] Trustee Luckham: Keep asked.

[3:00:00] Trustee Luckham: Unmute your microphone there, Stefan.

[3:00:04] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:00:05] Voice 21: I'm in support of this motion.

[3:00:06] Voice 21: I think any grant application will be stronger with the resolution that Trust Council has considered it and voted on it.

[3:00:17] Voice 21: And basically, we're giving staff direction as Trust Council, that local planning committee,

[3:00:24] Voice 21: and we're kind of endorsing the stream that's underway so far as we often do in these agendas.

[3:00:30] Voice 21: So I think this is really appropriate. Thank you for bringing it forward. I'll be voting in favour.

[3:00:34] Voice 14: Professor Morrison.

[3:00:36] Voice 8: So just to be clear, there is no evaluation, removal of equipment, or other types of matching funds that the Islands Trust is doing on this.

[3:00:51] Voice 12: You're asking if there's any other staff work associated with it, only if the grant is approved and the project is pursued as envisioned?

[3:00:59] Voice 8: No, I'm asking if there's, like, evaluator contract funds that aren't allocated for in this.

[3:01:05] Voice 8: The things that we saw in our budget this year that were for other grants,

[3:01:09] Voice 8: I just want

[3:01:10] Voice 8: to make sure that we're not matching additional funds and encumbering future funding.

[3:01:16] Voice 12: None that are in the grant application process, no.

[3:01:20] Trustee Luckham: No further questions or call to vote.

[3:01:24] Voice 23: All those in favor, hands down.

[3:01:34] Voice 23: Any opposed?

[3:01:35] Voice 23: Opposed?

[3:01:37] Trustee Luckham: It looks like two online, no, one online.

[3:01:42] Trustee Luckham: One online.

[3:01:42] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, okay.

[3:01:43] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[3:01:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for your support for this work, council.

[3:01:47] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[3:01:50] Trustee Luckham: I'm gonna move on to legislative

[3:01:52] Trustee Luckham: and information services report.

[3:01:56] Trustee Luckham: It's received for information.

[3:01:58] Trustee Luckham: Is there anything,

[3:02:01] Trustee Luckham: does anybody have any questions

[3:02:03] Trustee Luckham: or otherwise on this report?

[3:02:06] Trustee Luckham: otherwise we'll just receive it by general consent for information anybody

[3:02:10] Trustee Luckham: no it looks like you're off the hook oh no there's a hand up online

[3:02:15] Voice 10: track of

[3:02:18] Voice 10: exactly where but someplace and I believe it was here in the legislative

[3:02:22] Voice 10: information services there's a report on monitoring grant funds and if you let me

[3:02:31] Voice 10: know that that's the right place I have a question with respect to and the

[3:02:36] Voice 10: sunshine coast 500 000 grant and the fact that we are monitoring it or responsible for it in some

[3:02:46] Voice 10: way if there could be clarity about that i'd appreciate it 2

[3:02:49] Trustee Luckham: .1 is that in your area david

[3:02:52] Trustee Luckham: no so uh who does know about this so this is uh director freder what section of the agenda is that

[3:02:59] Trustee Luckham: on that

[3:03:00] Voice 20: was in the trust area services directors report

[3:03:02] Trustee Luckham: yesterday yes um do we need to answer that

[3:03:06] Trustee Luckham: question in council here can you could you ask that question offline uh

[3:03:10] Voice 10: i can i thought it was

[3:03:12] Voice 10: the legislative person who was taking care of it but that's fine i'll ask it offline thank you

[3:03:18] Voice 10: oh

[3:03:19] Trustee Luckham: i'm sorry oh you can you can ask directly kate louise stamford offline

[3:03:26] Trustee Luckham: she can i'm

[3:03:27] Voice 10: sorry it's not kate louise stanford it's um a fund for 500 000 at the last or

[3:03:34] Voice 10: maybe two or three trust councils

[3:03:36] Voice 10: ago, we had a discussion about

[3:03:38] Voice 10: the supporting letter for the application

[3:03:40] Voice 10: for that fund, and

[3:03:42] Voice 10: it's just the language used in the

[3:03:45] Voice 10: monitoring is a little

[3:03:46] Voice 10: odd, because it talks about

[3:03:48] Voice 10: managing the fund.

[3:03:50] Trustee Luckham: Let's leave this to

[3:03:52] Trustee Luckham: go directly to Clive Frater. She can direct

[3:03:54] Trustee Luckham: it accordingly. Who called a point of order?

[3:03:57] Trustee Luckham: And

[3:03:59] Trustee Luckham: get back on track. Okay,

[3:04:01] Trustee Luckham: thank you for that.

[3:04:02] Trustee Luckham: feature okay all right so let's get back on track director of legislative and information services

[3:04:07] Trustee Luckham: report i don't believe there's any questions and so i'm going to thank you for your work david

[3:04:12] Trustee Luckham: particularly in the legislative services area and of course in the new role of information services

[3:04:17] Trustee Luckham: so we'll receive that for information um i'm now going to move on to uh one item which i think is

[3:04:27] Trustee Luckham: important. We've put it off

[3:04:29] Trustee Luckham: on numerous occasions.

[3:04:31] Trustee Luckham: 12.2.3,

[3:04:33] Trustee Luckham: the delegation amendment

[3:04:35] Trustee Luckham: of policy.

[3:04:41] Voice 16: I've got

[3:04:42] Voice 16: changes to 12.2.1.

[3:04:47] Voice 23: So where are you?

[3:04:49] Voice 30: I

[3:04:50] Trustee Luckham: passed over that.

[3:04:51] Trustee Luckham: I think that if

[3:04:52] Trustee Luckham: there's adequate time after we've dealt with

[3:04:55] Trustee Luckham: the items that we must deal with, then

[3:04:57] Trustee Luckham: we can come back to this one.

[3:04:59] Trustee Luckham: I'm just arbitrarily trying to

[3:05:01] Trustee Luckham: get us through the agenda because I

[3:05:03] Trustee Luckham: I perceive there might be a lengthy conversation on that one, and there's a couple of others here.

[3:05:08] Trustee Luckham: But let's see how we're doing when we get to where we need to be today.

[3:05:11] Trustee Luckham: And if there's time, I'd be happy to go back to that one.

[3:05:14] Trustee Luckham: 12.2.3 is Delegations, Amendment to Policy and Procedures Regarding Delegations to Trust Council Request for Decision.

[3:05:24] Trustee Luckham: This has been deferred from September.

[3:05:27] Trustee Luckham: This has been on the table for quite some time, and I'm hoping that it's well understood.

[3:05:32] Trustee Luckham: This has been initiated by Tim Peterson, probably a year or more ago, and who would like to

[3:05:41] Trustee Luckham: speak to it?

[3:05:42] Trustee Luckham: Tim, are you prepared to speak to it or otherwise?

[3:05:49] Trustee Luckham: Oh, who's going to speak to it?

[3:05:52] Trustee Luckham: Anybody?

[3:05:53] Trustee Luckham: David Mahler is going to speak to it, perfect.

[3:05:55] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:05:57] Voice 27: Yes, so this originated with the executive committee.

[3:06:00] Voice 27: The resolutions are in the RFD.

[3:06:02] Voice 27: I'm not going to go through the details here the two resolutions are staff to

[3:06:07] Voice 27: review some regional districts procedures look specifically at the

[3:06:13] Voice 27: delegation procedures that we have in the Allen's trust meeting procedure by

[3:06:17] Voice 27: law so what come back with after discussions with vice chair Peterson and

[3:06:24] Voice 27: chair lookum is the recommendation you see in front of you there which is not

[3:06:30] Voice 27: to this is to come back with a draft bylaw that would amend the meeting

[3:06:39] Voice 27: procedures by law and it would address those six items that are listed there in

[3:06:44] Voice 27: the recommendation so generally it's to try and tighten up but also to provide

[3:06:51] Voice 27: some flexibility around the way delegations are dealt with one of the

[3:06:55] Voice 27: big concerns was because council meets on a quarterly basis there's a desire to

[3:07:02] Voice 27: dispose of delegations in the same meeting and that leads to some concerns

[3:07:07] Voice 27: around getting staff advice so this revision will attempt to address that in

[3:07:14] Voice 27: some way so if council passes a recommended resolution here staff would

[3:07:21] Voice 27: then draft the proposed bylaws with the executive committee and once those are

[3:07:28] Voice 27: satisfactory to the executive we bring it to council for discussion that

[3:07:32] Voice 27: doesn't mean you have to adopt it at that point it could send it send it away

[3:07:36] Voice 27: for the edits so it's not a rush to get it done but to get started on it would

[3:07:42] Voice 27: be good thank you so

[3:07:44] Trustee Luckham: thank you so this it won't be the last time you'll see

[3:07:47] Trustee Luckham: this we're asking for a draft you'll have an opportunity to comment on it

[3:07:50] Trustee Luckham: further so i'm going to ask if there's any uh questions or remarks on this otherwise i would

[3:07:55] Trustee Luckham: like to advance it anybody you want to speak to it tim um

[3:08:02] Trustee Patrick: i do have some questions i too have

[3:08:05] Trustee Patrick: gone out looked at a lot of jurisdictions and what they have and one thing that concerns me

[3:08:09] Trustee Patrick: is i think we mix delegations and presentations into one category and you know we like last

[3:08:17] Trustee Patrick: in june we had dfo was given a whole separate section of the agenda but yet this time

[3:08:22] Trustee Patrick: you know, CRD showing up had to be fit into delegations. I think we need to do more work

[3:08:29] Trustee Patrick: to specify a separation of presentations and delegations. And even for delegations,

[3:08:34] Trustee Patrick: I think we need to do even a bit more work from what regional districts can do to be very specific

[3:08:39] Trustee Patrick: if it's business that's on our meetings or how to make it a bit more clarity. And I think there's

[3:08:43] Trustee Patrick: a whole communications piece. All regional districts and municipalities have good communication

[3:08:50] Trustee Patrick: communication to those considering how to do delegations, including how to address

[3:08:54] Trustee Patrick: council. You know, they give them little scripts that they can use so that they can

[3:08:58] Trustee Patrick: fit in and understand how to make their delegation as successful as possible.

[3:09:02] Trustee Patrick: And I think we could do more work and clarify and separate

[3:09:06] Trustee Patrick: those things.

[3:09:07] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so we'll take that under advisement

[3:09:10] Trustee Luckham: and I don't know whether or not that can be encompassed in this particular bylaw

[3:09:14] Trustee Luckham: or whether it needs to be meeting procedures bylaw, but I think

[3:09:18] Trustee Luckham: it's on the record it's recorded and um staff can take that under advisement as they do this

[3:09:23] Trustee Luckham: drafting you have a remark david that would be in the meeting procedure bylaw that's right yeah

[3:09:29] Trustee Luckham: okay so tim peterson uh

[3:09:33] Voice 4: thank you i'm prepared to make the motion and i'm glad to see this um

[3:09:38] Voice 4: advancing uh so i move that trust council request executive committee to return to trust council

[3:09:45] Voice 4: or the draft bylaw to amend Trust Council's meeting procedure bylaw 101 that requires

[3:09:50] Voice 4: delegations to specify the action they are asking of Trust Council, establishes that

[3:09:55] Voice 4: any Trust Council decision in relation to disposition of delegations will allow time

[3:09:59] Voice 4: for staff to provide advice, three, if time is of the essence, Trust Council's direction

[3:10:05] Voice 4: in relation to disposition of delegations will delegate a response to the Executive

[3:10:08] Voice 4: Committee or Trust Council Chair, establishes approval authority for receipt of delegation

[3:10:14] Voice 4: and establishes a different deadline for receipt of delegations for matters on the agenda,

[3:10:19] Voice 4: and such a deadline would need to be after the release of the agenda outlined to the public

[3:10:23] Voice 4: and before the start of the Trust Council meeting,

[3:10:26] Voice 4: establishes a maximum number of delegations per meeting and or time limit for all delegations

[3:10:31] Voice 4: to maintain integrity of the published agenda,

[3:10:34] Voice 4: and provides clear criteria for rejection of delegations with a clear appeal process to Trust Council

[3:10:39] Voice 4: in the two-thirds majority vote required trust council to approve a rejected delegation okay

[3:10:48] Trustee Luckham: so that's seconded by sue allen fast thank you um yours to speak through it though no thank you

[3:10:55] Trustee Luckham: speakers on the motion sue allen fest thank

[3:10:59] Voice 21: you chair yes i'd just like to speak in support of

[3:11:01] Voice 21: this motion um during the time of the setting up of the current uh islands trust website uh the a

[3:11:10] Voice 21: A nice page came to happen called Share Your Views.

[3:11:15] Voice 21: How to share your views makes it clearer how to apply,

[3:11:21] Voice 21: how to request to share your views with a committee

[3:11:26] Voice 21: or how are the different ways to do it.

[3:11:29] Voice 21: This will help clarify that for Trust Council.

[3:11:34] Voice 21: There's a lot of things to work through,

[3:11:35] Voice 21: and I think it's really helpful as an

[3:11:39] Voice 21: incoming chair or as

[3:11:42] Voice 21: somebody who's being asked, can we approve this delegation for the agenda

[3:11:47] Voice 21: to have some guidelines? So I think this is really

[3:11:51] Voice 21: helpful for all involved. Thank you. I'll support it.

[3:11:54] Trustee Luckham: Any other speakers?

[3:11:56] Voice 14: Are you just getting my attention? No.

[3:12:02] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to call the vote then.

[3:12:03] Trustee Luckham: And

[3:12:03] Voice 14: I'm

[3:12:06] Voice 16: also in support of this motion, and I'd like to request that as this is being drafted to come back to us,

[3:12:12] Voice 16: if there can be consideration for delegations to be held at Committee of the Whole because they're not discussion items or decision items,

[3:12:20] Voice 16: that would be something timely to consider, too.

[3:12:25] Trustee Luckham: Interesting. Thank you. Okay. Any further

[3:12:29] Voice 30: discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[3:12:37] Voice 23: David's up there.

[3:12:40] Voice 23: okay I see 18 please

[3:12:42] Trustee Luckham: lower your hands any

[3:12:47] Voice 30: opposed not

[3:12:52] Trustee Luckham: opposed by the looks of

[3:12:53] Trustee Luckham: it so we'll continue on that carries okay there's a really simple one here

[3:12:58] Trustee Luckham: this is a staff recommendation and it's regarding rescinding Trust Council

[3:13:02] Trustee Luckham: policy six point six point one by election funding the motion is there are

[3:13:08] Trustee Luckham: there any questions with respect to this then I'm gonna actually I can do this by

[3:13:20] Trustee Luckham: general consent if there's no discussion a question okay go ahead why

[3:13:26] Voice 23: would we do this

[3:13:29] Voice 23: all right david i'm

[3:13:35] Voice 27: sorry why would you do what really rescind there yeah

[3:13:38] Voice 30: why are we

[3:13:40] Voice 27: rescinding the policy okay i'm just wondering if the uh finance officer would like to comment

[3:13:51] Voice 15: the briefing yeah

[3:13:53] Voice 27: the briefing's not on the agenda which is odd uh but the recommendation is that

[3:13:58] Voice 27: that this policy that you see here be rescinded.

[3:14:01] Voice 27: The reasoning behind it was that we don't do this,

[3:14:06] Voice 27: and I think Director Mubbs can probably provide more information

[3:14:10] Voice 27: on why that is.

[3:14:12] Voice 7: Sure, I'll try to be brief.

[3:14:14] Voice 7: So the policy says that we will provide funding in the annual budget

[3:14:19] Voice 7: in case we have a by-election.

[3:14:21] Voice 7: I think historically that amount has been just under $10,000 or so.

[3:14:25] Voice 7: By-elections are quite rare,

[3:14:27] Voice 7: and so what it means is very frequently we are taxing for an activity that is very unlikely to

[3:14:32] Voice 7: happen and

[3:14:34] Voice 7: it contributes to tax increases. By-elections are not expensive and we have

[3:14:40] Voice 7: ample surplus to fund them should they arise. So the suggestion from staff is to rescind this

[3:14:47] Voice 7: policy which requires us to include it in the budget. In practice we've not been including it

[3:14:51] Voice 7: in the budget anyway so let's get our policies aligned with reality. Thank

[3:14:56] Trustee Luckham: you. Any other

[3:14:58] Trustee Luckham: questions thank

[3:15:01] Voice 21: you with that description because there was nothing in

[3:15:05] Voice 21: the agenda to say why this was being asked of Trust Council then I'd be happy

[3:15:11] Voice 21: to move that Trust Council recent Trust Council policy six point six point one

[3:15:16] Voice 21: by election funding is in its entirety moved

[3:15:20] Trustee Luckham: and seconded by Susan Yates thank

[3:15:22] Trustee Luckham: you any discussion okay

[3:15:27] Voice 30: all those in favor

[3:15:33] Voice 30: Okay, please lower your hands.

[3:15:35] Voice 30: That's 19.

[3:15:36] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[3:15:39] Voice 30: Looks

[3:15:40] Trustee Luckham: like none opposed.

[3:15:42] Trustee Luckham: I think that carries unanimously.

[3:15:43] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Council.

[3:15:45] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to jump now all the way to 18.1.

[3:15:48] Trustee Luckham: And keeping in mind, we can double back if we need to.

[3:15:51] Trustee Luckham: 18.1 is the Climate Leadership Steering Committee, AVICC.

[3:15:58] Trustee Luckham: That's on page 365.

[3:16:00] Trustee Luckham: In 1965, Deb Morrison has been our appointed member on that committee.

[3:16:07] Trustee Luckham: She is unable to continue that work, and so we're looking to appoint somebody else.

[3:16:14] Trustee Luckham: And so the obvious question is, is there somebody that wants to do this, or is there somebody that wants to nominate somebody to do this?

[3:16:24] Trustee Luckham: Director Frater, thank you.

[3:16:26] Voice 20: I understand from at the break that Trustee Morrison now wishes to continue.

[3:16:31] Voice 20: she's going she's

[3:16:32] Voice 20: reconsidered and she would like to be reconsidered for appointment so we don't

[3:16:37] Trustee Luckham: have to reappoint her do we i

[3:16:40] Voice 20: would need to double check whether it's an annual appointment or not

[3:16:43] Voice 20: we don't okay

[3:16:44] Trustee Luckham: so no so then

[3:16:45] Voice 20: there would be no

[3:16:46] Trustee Luckham: decision needed and she could continue okay

[3:16:48] Trustee Luckham: that's good to know thank you so i'm just going to pass over that one thank you council um a couple

[3:16:55] Trustee Luckham: of items that came up at the beginning of the agenda uh 20.3 and trustee updates bc ferries

[3:17:00] Trustee Luckham: advisory committees um no longer supported um susan yates you have uh uh wish to speak to this

[3:17:09] Trustee Luckham: item today i'll

[3:17:14] Voice 6: be very brief um in that we on gabriela island were shocked to find out

[3:17:21] Voice 6: we were invited to a meeting and we thought that the topic of the meeting as did all other facts

[3:17:27] Voice 6: was going to be a community participation panel that we've been discussing with bc fairies

[3:17:32] Voice 6: for some time. But no, the news was that they're proposing the dissolution of the ferry advisory

[3:17:39] Voice 6: committees. And our ferry advisory committee has been extremely helpful and useful, not just to

[3:17:49] Voice 6: our community, but also to BC Ferries. And BC Ferries reps have acknowledged that. So we're

[3:17:56] Voice 6: really disappointed with what they have come up with as

[3:18:00] Voice 6: what we think is a scattershot approach

[3:18:04] Voice 6: for community discussions. There won't be community discussions.

[3:18:08] Voice 6: There'll just be individual input. And it rids

[3:18:12] Voice 6: BC Ferries of the responsibilities to groups that

[3:18:16] Voice 6: really do a good job of representing community concerns

[3:18:20] Voice 6: for our marine highway. So I spent several

[3:18:24] Voice 6: hours last night dealing with the fallout from this i'm on the fact and um i know there'll be

[3:18:31] Voice 6: lots more coming on this thank you does

[3:18:44] Trustee Luckham: do you want to provide any direction or um any other

[3:18:49] Trustee Luckham: speakers on this topic i

[3:18:54] Voice 6: will i'll send a note to the executive committee in the next couple of days

[3:18:58] Voice 6: and to director freighter to see about support from islands trust council and that was actually

[3:19:05] Voice 6: at the suggestion of our MLA, Sheila Malcolmson, is

[3:19:09] Voice 6: to try to get council support going forward on whatever

[3:19:13] Voice 6: it is BC Ferries comes up with. Okay. Thank you.

[3:19:19] Voice 19: Isn't that opportunity now? We're all here. If council wants to support

[3:19:23] Voice 19: an action or endorse

[3:19:25] Voice 19: a letter going forward, does executive need to be... No?

[3:19:33] Trustee Luckham: Director Frater, we had a brief conversation about this

[3:19:37] Trustee Luckham: that and you had spoken at bc ferries and there was almost an indication that um something from

[3:19:43] Trustee Luckham: council to ask that we'd be involved in the consultation process with them would be well

[3:19:49] Trustee Luckham: received can you advise us on that um

[3:19:53] Voice 20: yes i've spoken with their staff and as part of their

[3:19:56] Voice 20: reconsideration of how they plan to do engagement they plan to engage with local governments and

[3:20:00] Voice 20: islands trust i had mold maybe it might make sense to have them come to your march meeting to speak

[3:20:05] Voice 20: with all of you at once but wondered if that might be best decided through the executive

[3:20:09] Voice 20: committee as they're looking at the march agenda and doing the balancing of what goes on that

[3:20:13] Voice 20: agenda so if you're looking for a motion today to signal that you're taking action around bc ferries

[3:20:18] Voice 20: you might wish to you know request that the executive committee consider um

[3:20:23] Voice 1: inviting bc

[3:20:25] Voice 20: ferries to come speak to you in march okay

[3:20:27] Trustee Luckham: another

[3:20:29] Voice 30: speaker

[3:20:30] Trustee Luckham: i

[3:20:33] Trustee Patrick: would encourage us to be a little bit

[3:20:39] Trustee Patrick: cautious and respond with thought um the conversations i've had with staff as well

[3:20:45] Trustee Patrick: at bc ferries is i think they're really truly intending to build something new that will have

[3:20:50] Trustee Patrick: a great much greater voice uh for elected officials communities and and and you know that

[3:20:56] Trustee Patrick: that we have something that's coming in the future.

[3:20:59] Trustee Patrick: So I think we should be willing and open ears and participating,

[3:21:03] Trustee Patrick: and I hope we'll see something that's much better.

[3:21:07] Trustee Luckham: And I think I can say with confidence that the Executive Committee

[3:21:10] Trustee Luckham: is interested in monitoring and advancing this as it would seem appropriate.

[3:21:14] Trustee Luckham: Now, Susan Yates, I'll give you another word.

[3:21:16] Trustee Luckham: So

[3:21:17] Voice 6: I move that the Trust Council request Executive Committee

[3:21:22] Voice 6: committee to invite BC Ferries representatives to the March Trust Council to discuss the

[3:21:33] Trustee Luckham: disillusion of the well

[3:21:34] Voice 6: to discuss the dissolution of fairy advisory committees and future of

[3:21:42] Voice 6: the future of community representation for BC Ferries great

[3:21:48] Voice 30: okay so

[3:21:51] Trustee Luckham: that's turned Alexander

[3:21:54] Trustee Luckham: enter make sure she got that seems fairly clear but it would be good to see it up on the screen

[3:21:59] Trustee Luckham: thank you there we are um do i have a seconder for this i think i saw kate louise actually earlier um

[3:22:08] Trustee Luckham: so then that's moved and seconded uh do you wish to speak to the motion further

[3:22:13] Trustee Luckham: no any discussion at all all right uh call for the vote all those in favor

[3:22:19] Trustee Luckham: her

[3:22:21] Voice 30: okay that

[3:22:28] Trustee Luckham: hands down and those opposed not seeing any opposed and so

[3:22:36] Trustee Luckham: that carries thank you very much Susan Yates and counsel so at 20.5 is the

[3:22:47] Trustee Luckham: freighter Anchorage's reporting and may read Boland I believe you asked to speak

[3:22:55] Trustee Luckham: to that item and so please the floor is yours

[3:23:00] Voice 10: so very briefly the title is bit odd first of all

[3:23:07] Voice 10: I was standing in for trustee Laroni who would normally take care of this so

[3:23:13] Voice 10: with that in mind it really was Transport Canada and DFO reporting out on a number of issues there

[3:23:25] Voice 10: was a huge amount of information and introduced canada's draft ocean noise strategy with recent

[3:23:33] Voice 10: consultation and next steps and they introduced the idea of amendments to the marine mammal

[3:23:41] Voice 10: regulations of the fisheries act to try to implement longer-term protection a lot of

[3:23:48] Voice 10: information about the southern resident killer whales and one little tidbit was about echo

[3:23:54] Voice 10: sounders recommending a high frequency to be the best range in terms of mitigating the effect on

[3:24:04] Voice 10: i suppose animals who use echo echolocation and they talked about the southern resident killer

[3:24:12] Voice 10: whale accountability framework which complements the legislated species at risk recovery planning

[3:24:20] Voice 10: so there's an enormous amount of information which i do have available and i could share the

[3:24:26] Voice 10: presentations were very comprehensive i don't know if there's a way to put them perhaps in the web

[3:24:33] Voice 10: dev and so that people can dive into them and take a look if they want i could do that if helped thank

[3:24:42] Voice 10: Thank you.

[3:24:44] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[3:24:45] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:24:45] Trustee Luckham: Is there any action required here?

[3:24:50] Voice 30: Okay.

[3:24:55] Trustee Luckham: 12, so that concludes that section.

[3:24:58] Trustee Luckham: 21.1, and keep in mind, there are options to double back.

[3:25:04] Trustee Luckham: 21.1 is our next meeting.

[3:25:07] Trustee Luckham: And that has been determined as March, does somebody know the exact date there?

[3:25:15] Trustee Luckham: there. It was decided earlier. Oh, there we go. Oh, no, it's not marked on there either. It was

[3:25:20] Trustee Luckham: decided in our meetings earlier, the March trust council meeting. What's the date? Okay. 11th to

[3:25:30] Trustee Luckham: 13th. And the three-day schedule is in the package. This is the first, this is important. Actually,

[3:25:37] Trustee Luckham: this is the first pass, very first pass, very little content of what this three-day schedule

[3:25:42] Trustee Luckham: is going to look like. And this will have been populated over the next three months in preparation

[3:25:48] Trustee Luckham: operation for council in March. And of course, this is our budget adoption cycle. And so I'm

[3:25:53] Trustee Luckham: going to suggest you receive this information. Any point in time from here on forward, it's a

[3:25:59] Trustee Luckham: great opportunity to ask executive committee to consider elements to be included in the quarterly

[3:26:05] Trustee Luckham: meeting. And then we will, once we have all the information before us, we'll start to fill out

[3:26:10] Trustee Luckham: this and look at it and indeed watch the executive committee agendas because this will be advanced

[3:26:17] Trustee Luckham: advanced in due course. Is there any questions about the three-day schedule? All right. So then

[3:26:24] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to receive that for information about general consent. Oh, Tim. Give me a second here.

[3:26:35] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. So we are at, so that concludes what I felt we had to get done today. There are two items,

[3:26:43] Trustee Luckham: specifically 12.2.1 and 12.2.2 that I have skipped over, and those being the meeting

[3:26:54] Trustee Luckham: procedures bylaw on page 168 and the code of conduct review on page 178. With 15 minutes

[3:27:07] Trustee Luckham: remaining, if council is confident that it could discuss one of these and advance them to

[3:27:12] Trustee Luckham: a conclusion, I would be happy to advance them. If we don't

[3:27:16] Trustee Luckham: think we can conclude it, I'm not so sure that I want to, because it

[3:27:20] Trustee Luckham: would disrupt the process, and I don't want to run you late. So I'm

[3:27:24] Trustee Luckham: looking for feedback, and I think Tim had his hand up first, and then I'll go to Trustee Evans.

[3:27:29] Voice 4: Yeah, the other item that we skipped over was the

[3:27:32] Voice 4: 18.2 correspondence from Bowen Island Municipality, and I see that

[3:27:36] Voice 4: Mayor Leonard has just left, but we didn't make a decision

[3:27:40] Voice 4: whether we're just receiving for information or discussing or anything

[3:27:43] Voice 4: else so I just wanted to point that out well

[3:27:45] Trustee Luckham: no that's very good I thank you for

[3:27:47] Trustee Luckham: that I didn't connect the dots on that but yeah I think that we absolutely

[3:27:53] Trustee Luckham: should receive 18.2 or correspondence from Bowen Island municipality we should

[3:28:00] Trustee Luckham: receive that for information and I'm very grateful and thankful for the the

[3:28:04] Trustee Luckham: mayor has come and presented to us and spent quite a bit of time with us this

[3:28:09] Trustee Luckham: week um thank you for that jim so pardon

[3:28:14] Voice 30: oh sure that

[3:28:19] Trustee Luckham: is uh sorry the mayor came as a delegation

[3:28:25] Trustee Luckham: we normally respond to delegates with a thank you for coming and enjoyed you and other remarks that

[3:28:34] Trustee Luckham: seem uh poignant so is there a any additional response that you would like with respect to

[3:28:41] Trustee Luckham: the delegation from Bowen Island Municipality, and

[3:28:44] Trustee Luckham: for that matter, the other delegations. We actually, where is

[3:28:49] Trustee Luckham: the disposition of delegations?

[3:28:50] Voice 13: Okay,

[3:28:52] Trustee Luckham: thank you. So the correspondence piece, do you want to respond

[3:28:57] Trustee Luckham: to this in some way?

[3:29:03] Voice 14: Trustee Bernard, please.

[3:29:07] Voice 11: There was a lot in what Mayor Leonard said, and I don't think we have the time to develop

[3:29:12] Voice 11: a fulsome response, to use that forbidden word.

[3:29:16] Voice 11: But I do think there's the code of conduct issue that's in here.

[3:29:22] Voice 11: The item here is simply to schedule a committee of the whole meeting to discuss the draft

[3:29:26] Voice 11: code of conduct that staff has prepared to revise the one that we have now.

[3:29:31] Voice 11: It seems, given the things that we've been talking about, this is not something we should

[3:29:36] Voice 11: defer again.

[3:29:36] Voice 11: Again, it seems to me all we're doing here is not describing anything substantive other than scheduling a meeting to discuss work that's already been done and that is awaiting assessment and staff's waiting for it.

[3:29:49] Voice 11: So I would ask we address that issue and grant the request for decision.

[3:30:00] Voice 23: Okay.

[3:30:03] Trustee Luckham: I think it's reasonable, 12.2.2, but let's pause for a moment and speak to the first item that was raised as a point of, you know, technically a point of order, that the letter from Bowen Island Municipality to be received. Is there a response to Bowen Island Municipality? Trustee Elliott, what would you like to do?

[3:30:25] Trustee Luckham: um

[3:30:26] Voice 19: there is a lot there um i would urge trust council executive to get together with bone

[3:30:33] Voice 19: island council so um at the earliest opportunity and um we have this as an item to discuss

[3:30:40] Voice 19: on our agenda um i don't think we have a chance to address the correspondence unless a council

[3:30:48] Voice 19: wants to direct it i think a response is needed but perhaps a conversation with council as per

[3:30:54] Voice 19: protocol agreements should be... I

[3:30:57] Trustee Luckham: agree with you

[3:30:58] Trustee Luckham: and I'm just going to turn to the CAOs and say

[3:31:02] Trustee Luckham: we have discussed yesterday with

[3:31:05] Trustee Luckham: the Mayor of Bowen Island Municipality about

[3:31:10] Trustee Luckham: meeting our protocol agreement with them and meeting with them and

[3:31:15] Trustee Luckham: I'm presuming that we're going to schedule that in

[3:31:17] Trustee Luckham: the new year and do you have any further advice and we can

[3:31:22] Trustee Luckham: obviously discuss this budget item that obviously should happen before no um different topics sorry

[3:31:30] Trustee Luckham: we should discuss it sooner than later do you have any recommendations um

[3:31:36] Voice 7: so as it relates to

[3:31:38] Voice 7: adhering to the protocol agreement with bone island and the meetings that executive committee

[3:31:41] Voice 7: is meant to have with um council that is in the works um so i know alex has been in touch with uh

[3:31:47] Voice 7: bone island municipal staff to schedule a meeting i think is it april um we're looking to april um

[3:31:53] Voice 7: So that's in the works.

[3:31:54] Voice 7: I've also got communications with Bowen staff around the financial piece,

[3:31:57] Voice 7: so that's also part of the agreement.

[3:31:59] Voice 7: Of course, there's other pieces in the letter

[3:32:01] Voice 7: that council will want to determine its own response on.

[3:32:07] Trustee Luckham: It might be appropriate for this letter to be,

[3:32:09] Trustee Luckham: for Executive Committee to respond to this letter in due course.

[3:32:13] Trustee Luckham: So does somebody want to make a motion to that effect?

[3:32:17] Voice 6: I just have a question.

[3:32:19] Voice 6: Can we not delegate this to Executive Committee

[3:32:22] Voice 6: to reply to mayor Leonard's concerns as well as his letter I that I would be

[3:32:30] Voice 6: very happy with that if we could do that

[3:32:32] Trustee Luckham: well that's what I was just asking for

[3:32:33] Trustee Luckham: so yeah that'd be great okay

[3:32:35] Voice 6: I move that Trust Council request executive

[3:32:39] Voice 6: committee to reply to mayor Leonard's let yeah correspondence sorry and

[3:32:51] Voice 6: And schedule a meeting accordingly.

[3:32:54] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, we're going to schedule a meeting.

[3:32:56] Voice 6: I think

[3:32:56] Trustee Luckham: just responding to the correspondence to Bowen Council is the important aspect here.

[3:33:02] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, to

[3:33:02] Voice 6: Mayor Leonard and Bowen Island Municipality Council.

[3:33:06] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:33:06] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:33:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:33:08] Trustee Luckham: Moved by Trustee H.

[3:33:10] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by Lisa Gavro.

[3:33:14] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:33:15] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[3:33:17] Trustee Luckham: Discussion?

[3:33:18] Trustee Luckham: Did you wish to speak to it further?

[3:33:20] Trustee Luckham: I don't.

[3:33:20] Trustee Luckham: No.

[3:33:21] Trustee Luckham: No. So discussion, Phil Bernardo.

[3:33:25] Voice 11: The key issue with respect to Bowen Island's discontent over not being consulted is its interpretation of the protocol agreement.

[3:33:36] Voice 11: And it's not a given that Bowen Island's interpretation is correct in the sense that they needed to be consulted.

[3:33:46] Voice 11: That's a point that some people around this table agree with. Others will disagree with.

[3:33:51] Voice 11: it's a point of controversy yeah so whatever if this resolution passes um i would just want to

[3:33:59] Voice 11: get it on the record that the the response from the executive committee ought not to concede the

[3:34:04] Voice 11: point because it hasn't been decided by this body okay

[3:34:09] Trustee Luckham: i think we can take that into consideration

[3:34:14] Trustee Luckham: so i'll ask if there's any further comments or discussion on this motion otherwise i'll

[3:34:19] Trustee Luckham: call the vote on the letter no all in favor and

[3:34:31] Voice 23: sound 15 any opposed to

[3:34:37] Trustee Luckham: opposed other closed on online and yeah okay so that carries thank you now

[3:34:45] Trustee Luckham: despite my best laid plans I received a note here that the code of conduct must

[3:34:52] Trustee Luckham: be done today and I had forgotten that there's also staff awards that must be

[3:34:58] Trustee Luckham: be done today. And so I'm going to beg your indulgence

[3:35:02] Trustee Luckham: and let's move to the Code of Conduct

[3:35:06] Trustee Luckham: item, which is simply advancing it to the Committee

[3:35:10] Trustee Luckham: of the Whole. And so on page

[3:35:14] Trustee Luckham: 178 of the report, Trustee Evans

[3:35:17] Trustee Luckham: of the agenda, 178.

[3:35:20] Voice 16: So I'm simply going to move this.

[3:35:22] Voice 16: I move that Trust Council schedule a Committee of the Whole meeting to

[3:35:26] Voice 16: discuss the draft code conduct and i'm going to pause there because i'd like to ask there

[3:35:31] Voice 16: was a previous motion to schedule uh committee of the halls uh bi-weekly is that correct yes

[3:35:39] Voice 16: so what i'd like to add on to the end of this um so that trust council schedule a committee

[3:35:45] Voice 16: of the whole meeting to discuss the draft code of conduct at one of the upcoming bi-weekly meetings

[3:35:53] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:35:57] Trustee Luckham: You got that, Alexandra? Okay. Is there a seconder for that motion? Joe Bernardo, thank you.

[3:36:05] Trustee Luckham: You wish to speak to it?

[3:36:08] Voice 16: I think this is important to get out as quickly as we can,

[3:36:11] Voice 16: and if we already have Committee of the Whole meetings being booked, I think you should take

[3:36:15] Voice 16: advantage and extend one of those agendas to accommodate this.

[3:36:20] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Anybody else wish

[3:36:22] Trustee Luckham: to speak to the motion? Trustee Getty?

[3:36:25] Voice 9: There was a special meeting of the Governance Committee on

[3:36:27] Voice 9: June the 24th of this year and that was a very good discussion and I would ask

[3:36:32] Voice 9: that the link to that discussion be included in the material okay well we

[3:36:40] Trustee Luckham: can take that into consideration when we put that together so we'll just make

[3:36:44] Trustee Luckham: sure that that's recorded in minutes as a footnote it's on the recording all

[3:36:51] Trustee Luckham: right then so that's the code of content I call the vote yes sir no okay okay

[3:36:58] Trustee Luckham: Okay, seconded by, no, it was seconded.

[3:37:02] Trustee Luckham: It was seconded by?

[3:37:04] Trustee Luckham: We were on speakers on the motion, and Judy Getty has spoken to it.

[3:37:07] Trustee Luckham: Is there anybody else?

[3:37:08] Trustee Luckham: All right, so now I'm going to call the vote.

[3:37:10] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[3:37:12] Trustee Luckham: And please lower your hands.

[3:37:16] Voice 30: Any opposed?

[3:37:19] Voice 30: None opposed?

[3:37:20] Voice 30: So that carries.

[3:37:22] Trustee Luckham: Okay, great.

[3:37:23] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:37:24] Trustee Luckham: Another item done.

[3:37:26] Trustee Luckham: Now, the next item here, which is important that it be done,

[3:37:29] Trustee Luckham: is it staff awards and i'm going to turn it over to the cao to assist us in this and

[3:37:37] Voice 30: i think we

[3:37:38] Voice 30: will conclude thank

[3:37:51] Voice 25: you this is a nice positive note to end on um i understand this is our usual

[3:37:56] Voice 25: practice for these december meetings um is to present uh awards to staff and i have the uh

[3:38:03] Voice 25: distinction to present two awards today um recognizing the exceptional efforts of staff

[3:38:08] Voice 25: who have gone above and beyond their commitments to the Islands Trust.

[3:38:12] Voice 25: The first award is the Innovation Award,

[3:38:15] Voice 25: and this award recognizes an individual who has led or contributed

[3:38:19] Voice 25: to an especially innovative program, project, system, or process,

[3:38:23] Voice 25: making a significant impact in areas such as cost savings, efficiency, and time management

[3:38:28] Voice 25: that goes well beyond the scope of their job description.

[3:38:31] Voice 25: In this case, five of their colleagues nominated this recipient,

[3:38:36] Voice 25: describing their outstanding contribution as follows the nominee for the innovation

[3:38:41] Voice 25: ward has demonstrated remarkable initiative and drive and taking on city view driving in

[3:38:46] Voice 25: diving in without any formal training and quickly becoming proficient with the system

[3:38:51] Voice 25: their ability to self-teach and navigate such a complex platform speaks volumes about their

[3:38:55] Voice 25: resourcefulness and determination and their tireless efforts including many hours spent

[3:39:00] Voice 25: Spent collaborating with the IS team,

[3:39:02] Voice 25: ensured that the reporting feature was successfully integrated.

[3:39:05] Voice 25: The complexity of this task required advanced technical skills

[3:39:09] Voice 25: and problem-solving abilities,

[3:39:11] Voice 25: both of which this person exhibited in abundance.

[3:39:14] Voice 25: The contributions made by this individual to this project

[3:39:17] Voice 25: have been instrumental in enhancing CityView's functionality for the team.

[3:39:22] Voice 25: So I'll thank you for all of your hard work

[3:39:24] Voice 25: and invite Emily Bryant to come up and receive this award.

[3:39:49] Voice 25: This is such a nice way for me to start in this role, I have to say.

[3:39:55] Voice 25: Just making everybody happy this week.

[3:39:59] Voice 25: Next, we have the Champion Award, which recognizes an individual who has exemplified

[3:40:04] Voice 25: Islands Trust's policy statement or strategic goals through their actions or projects.

[3:40:09] Voice 25: This year, this award goes to Julia Mobs, and her nominators noted a long list of accomplishments

[3:40:14] Voice 25: and contributions, including saying, through her time as interim CAO, Julia ably dealt with

[3:40:21] Voice 25: numerous difficult situations and advanced large initiatives. She provided strong principled advice

[3:40:27] Voice 25: to Trust Council about their request to the province for a review of the Islands Trust,

[3:40:31] Voice 25: and she held her head high and spoke to best practice and excellence in governance.

[3:40:35] Voice 25: She did work to finalize the draft strategic plan and guided continued Trust Council conversations

[3:40:41] Voice 25: about the items trust object she navigated the tricky waters of trustee

[3:40:46] Voice 25: concerns about bylaw compliance and enforcement policies and actions which

[3:40:50] Voice 25: is a long way from her usual world of spreadsheets and budgets and guided

[3:40:54] Voice 25: executive committee through her first UBCM convention also dealing with

[3:40:59] Voice 25: difficult human resource policy issues that had big impacts on some other staff

[3:41:04] Voice 25: Julie is acknowledged for paying attention to the easy quick wins as well

[3:41:07] Voice 25: well as the big strategic pieces, and despite many challenges, she provided excellence in

[3:41:12] Voice 25: leadership and steered a steady ship during her interim period. Thank you for stepping up to lead

[3:41:17] Voice 25: Julia and for guiding our preserve and protect work with integrity, commitment, and lots of

[3:41:22] Voice 25: midnight oil. So my thanks personally as well, and I know many of you have expressed this this week

[3:41:28] Voice 25: as well to Julia for her extraordinary leadership, integrity, and dedication, particularly as well

[3:41:33] Voice 25: acting as interim cao so please join me in thanking and acknowledging julian monks thank

[3:42:00] Voice 23: you very much

[3:42:04] Trustee Luckham: well on that lovely note at 229

[3:42:07] Voice 1: i'm

[3:42:09] Trustee Luckham: going to ask you counsel is there any further business

[3:42:12] Trustee Luckham: you wish to conduct not seeing is

[3:42:18] Voice 15: there something that doesn't have to come back

[3:42:21] Voice 15: yes

[3:42:21] Trustee Luckham: so council thank you very much i did promise to get you out of here by 2 30 and thank you for

[3:42:28] Trustee Luckham: your help in getting us here today. Call for adjournment. All those in favor? It carries.