Islands Trust Council regular meeting, January 16, 2025

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[0:00:00] Voice 3: my goodness technology is catching up with us um so good morning good morning

[0:00:09] Voice 3: so i gotta figure this out because i think we should start off with our motion to allow

[0:00:17] Voice 3: trustee boland to join us so we just need a simple motion

[0:00:24] Voice 7: okay

[0:00:25] Voice 3: so if two seconds we will have our motion because everything else is welcome

[0:00:32] Voice 3: it's not fair are

[0:00:42] Voice 14: we saving electricity we

[0:00:44] Voice 5: are what's my night well

[0:00:47] Voice 14: it's more up to you

[0:00:50] Voice 3: this is for your benefit so i don't know which switch is which but until rob will figure it out

[0:00:59] i

[0:01:00] Voice 14: kind of like it

[0:01:07] Voice 5: task

[0:01:23] Voice 3: to get the meeting was a motion to allow trustee bowman to attend because

[0:01:28] Voice 3: under our meeting procedures by law she's only allowed to attend once electronically

[0:01:32] Voice 3: of course our last meeting last meeting she was electronic is

[0:01:37] Voice 7: she here she

[0:01:37] Voice 3: is in ireland today

[0:01:49] Voice 3: Okay, so now we have a motion here, and I'll move, just for expediency, I will move that

[0:01:57] Voice 3: Saterna Island Local Trust Committee waive meeting procedures bylaw number 135, article

[0:02:02] Voice 3: number 25, to allow Trustee Boland to attend the January 16, 2025

[0:02:15] Voice 3: regular meeting electronically. Any discussion on this? No. No discussion. So I'll call a question. All in favor? Yes.

[0:02:27] Voice 3: Welcome to the meeting, Trustee Boland. Thank you.

[0:02:32] Voice 3: Thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting of the Soekarno-Island Local Trust Committee for one good week.

[0:02:38] Voice 3: I acknowledge that we're fortunate to be able to have you today in locations across the territory of the Coast Irish people.

[0:02:45] Voice 3: I'm David Moab, a left-bound Maine Island, and I'm chair of the Soekarno-Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:49] Voice 3: I'm joined today by your two trustees, Lee Middleton and Corey Boland from our farm,

[0:02:56] Voice 3: to get them to make up the Sojourner on the Wild West Committee.

[0:03:00] Voice 3: This meeting is being live streamed and recorded. Those who are attending first today

[0:03:04] Voice 3: are recording the post on the Wild West website for future viewing.

[0:03:08] Voice 3: We have some staff members attending today. We have our planner,

[0:03:12] Voice 3: Brad Smith. I see that

[0:03:15] Voice 3: the regional planning manager has joined us, and also

[0:03:19] Voice 3: the violent enforcement manager. And of course, we are ably

[0:03:24] Voice 3: um um manipulated and getting involved in that kind of presence on the internet by our staff

[0:03:32] Voice 3: do thank you for all her thankful work for what she does for us um

[0:03:41] Voice 3: so um i'm just meeting special appointment to go to destiny to make decisions about

[0:03:47] Voice 3: values planning minutes we've got to go to business i want to add this is based on

[0:03:51] Voice 3: climate despite the fact that summer and general homes are set the right the safe and respectful

[0:03:56] Voice 3: workplace so before we have an agenda are there any additions or questions or anything uh i would

[0:04:06] Voice 3: like to

[0:04:06] Voice 17: add two items please excuse me um the first is amendments amendments to the community

[0:04:19] Voice 17: community, humanity, density, reserve

[0:04:22] Voice 3: or candor as we all know it is.

[0:04:25] Voice 3: So that would just be a new business?

[0:04:28] Voice 3: I think so, yeah.

[0:04:31] Voice 3: And then

[0:04:31] Voice 17: we're looking at when ready and still related.

[0:04:37] Voice 17: This might be under, I thought it was going to be new business, but it kind of makes sense to be new building.

[0:04:46] Voice 17: it's relating things it's basically adjusting the follow-up no not call unless sorry that the um

[0:04:57] Voice 17: the where it is now actually about the specifically the active well there it is 16.1

[0:05:04] Voice 17: active projects and future projects uh so it's basically following the discussion about the

[0:05:11] Voice 17: community amenity density reserve i'd like to then make a um ask the committee to adjust our

[0:05:18] Voice 17: our projects list.

[0:05:19] Voice 17: So I don't care if you want to put that,

[0:05:21] Voice 17: if you want to just put it right after the CADR,

[0:05:24] Voice 17: add a new business, so you actually want to put it.

[0:05:27] Voice 17: It probably makes sense to do that.

[0:05:28] Voice 17: I don't know if you want to, you know,

[0:05:29] Voice 17: what I'm talking about when we get to the work program.

[0:05:32] Voice 17: We're not going to be more mystifying than usual.

[0:05:37] So should we move new business to

[0:05:39] Voice 3: 16 and make reports 17?

[0:05:42] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:05:43] Voice 3: So we're just reading for the new business,

[0:05:49] Voice 3: all the reports it sounds all very mysterious but

[0:05:51] Voice 17: all will be revealed it

[0:05:53] Voice 3: will all make sense

[0:05:54] Voice 3: i i i grant you that trust so by just evolving you don't have anything

[0:06:05] Voice 2: no no i'm fine thank you

[0:06:07] Voice 3: okay so by general consent we will adopt um the agenda as amended

[0:06:13] Voice 3: um and we can wait in the trusted reports isn't that wonderful yes would you like

[0:06:18] Voice 17: to go first um

[0:06:20] Voice 17: Yes, I'll keep it real because some of this will come up in the meeting, but this is in regard to more potential land consultation on Saturna.

[0:06:32] Voice 17: that unfortunately the Judy Meyers property who's already kind of donated her densities to the

[0:06:41] Voice 17: community amenity density reserve is still awaiting sort of a decision even on how

[0:06:49] Voice 17: how her subdivision of her five acres can proceed if she needs to build a driveway or

[0:06:55] Voice 17: do the engineering for a driveway which would make the donation not really it just it just

[0:07:01] Voice 17: would work so i i tried to get all the room for this meeting unfortunately i don't think she's

[0:07:08] Voice 17: made any progress with the brooding officer but um hopefully i'm wrong but that's still

[0:07:13] Voice 17: happening she's still waiting for the she decided that she really wanted to proceed with the surety

[0:07:19] Voice 17: of a subdivide with five acres for her children to use the cabin and not have a license of

[0:07:26] Voice 17: occupation or other tool that the nature trust of bc were recommending so unfortunately i don't

[0:07:31] Voice 17: believe that's all i'm really happy to report on that and then as many as well when i say that

[0:07:37] Voice 17: sounds really grandiose when i say as many of you are aware when it's four here but um we um

[0:07:44] Voice 17: um we attend it was made uh very well known to the community on this past monday

[0:07:52] Voice 17: when there was a presentation from a gentleman named Tim Ennis,

[0:07:58] Voice 17: I think his last name was, you know,

[0:07:59] Voice 17: he was the manager of a private land acquisition

[0:08:01] Voice 17: for the BC Parks Foundation.

[0:08:04] Voice 17: And so he made it very clear and real that their foundation

[0:08:08] Voice 17: is with the Hall family pretty close to concluding

[0:08:12] Voice 17: a purchase agreement for the whole entirety.

[0:08:15] Voice 17: That was the only confusion we had.

[0:08:17] Voice 17: Their website had a mistake.

[0:08:19] Voice 17: it talks about only the Cactus Point property,

[0:08:22] Voice 17: but actually they're first in both properties.

[0:08:25] Voice 17: And so I had talked to the prior week

[0:08:30] Voice 17: to the CEO of the foundation and just floated the idea.

[0:08:34] Voice 17: There's a lot of, Brett confirmed the number of densities

[0:08:37] Voice 17: and there's quite a few densities

[0:08:39] Voice 17: between those two parcels, 34, if I'm not mistaken.

[0:08:42] Voice 17: And so the CEO had, we'll talk more about this,

[0:08:49] Voice 17: but the CEO lived on Mesquite for 10 years and so he understood well the concept of densities

[0:08:55] Voice 17: and the density cap. I mean normally they would seek to extinguish the densities much like Parks

[0:09:01] Voice 17: Canada did when they you know purchased the tree farm licenses and such here but he's quite open

[0:09:09] Voice 17: to giving us the densities provided we make some uh

[0:09:14] Voice 14: conservation companies yeah well

[0:09:16] Voice 17: Well, yes, primarily they were interested in conservation, but they are open to be used

[0:09:23] Voice 17: for housing, provide housing via an ecological or a non-development intensive nature, which

[0:09:32] Voice 17: I think there's precedent in the trust area.

[0:09:35] Voice 17: And that's what was on the agenda.

[0:09:37] Voice 17: So maybe I'll stop there and we'll pick that up.

[0:09:39] Voice 17: But it's great news.

[0:09:41] Voice 17: I mean, it's incredible that they're so close to closing date is February 6th.

[0:09:45] Voice 17: they seem very confident that they have the five million dollars which is the purchase price um

[0:09:50] Voice 17: they are open of course to donations for the ongoing measuring fund of the property so

[0:09:56] Voice 17: that's a bit of a plug to say that the the um the parks foundation um or the bc parks foundation

[0:10:04] Voice 17: which is completely separate from government and not linked in any way um on their website you can

[0:10:10] Voice 17: make a donation prior to the closing date of february 6th and they were looking for are looking

[0:10:16] Voice 17: for 500 000 in matching funds i i get the impression that they have a large donor who's

[0:10:23] Voice 17: maybe made up the bulk of this but that's just conjecture they didn't say that um and so anyway

[0:10:30] Voice 17: that's uh maybe i'll just say more when we get to the agenda about why the densities are important

[0:10:37] Voice 17: and what we should, what I'm recommending that the local trust community do

[0:10:41] Voice 17: and ask staff to do.

[0:10:43] Voice 17: So that's kind of been the biggest thing, I think,

[0:10:47] Voice 17: of the last few weeks has been talking back and forth with the foundation.

[0:10:51] Voice 17: So I think that's all from me.

[0:10:53] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:10:54] Voice 17: Thank you very much.

[0:10:55] Voice 5: Trustee Ball, go ahead.

[0:10:59] Voice 2: It's very hard to follow that, really.

[0:11:01] Voice 2: It's very exciting news.

[0:11:03] Voice 2: And, yeah, I hope we can, you know, get the community benefit as well

[0:11:09] Voice 2: as of course the property being conserved which is fantastic um so round table uh since the last

[0:11:18] Voice 2: meeting um uh yeah my schedule of attending was messed up because of course i had covet

[0:11:25] Voice 2: during um in the the middle or the early part of october anyway and then we had trust council

[0:11:33] Voice 2: there was a big scrap at trust council just fyi because i think sometimes people live in

[0:11:40] Voice 2: their own little you know local trust area bubble but you know the trust as a whole at the higher

[0:11:48] Voice 2: level um it's important to really keep up with that so there was a bit of a scuffle about the

[0:11:55] Voice 2: fact that um the recording of september trust council was removed from the website because

[0:12:02] Voice 2: because it was deemed to have poor behaviour recorded in it.

[0:12:06] Voice 2: Many trustees objected to this and there's more to come, but at the moment, the recording

[0:12:14] Voice 2: for September is not in the website.

[0:12:19] Voice 2: Besides that, I've been attending a lot of meetings.

[0:12:23] Voice 2: I volunteered to be on a steering committee for tiny homes to see if we could get a technical

[0:12:29] Voice 2: technical panel together and to come up with some ideas around how to make it possible to have

[0:12:39] Voice 2: regulated tiny homes in the trust area and that's moving along this you know it's a small trust

[0:12:46] Voice 2: project and there's a project manager and various people involved in pulling together technical

[0:12:53] Voice 2: people from different areas of government and the trust policy statement we've had a packed

[0:13:02] Voice 2: schedule of meetings in the evenings the so-called committee of the whole open discussions to allow

[0:13:10] Voice 2: us to go through that and create we hope within maybe three months a version that trustees are

[0:13:21] Voice 2: happy with which can then be sent out for consultation. It's really dragged

[0:13:28] Voice 2: on and it just sucks a lot of resources out of the Trust and has a huge knock-on

[0:13:34] Voice 2: impact into our ability to do anything else. It's really important that we get

[0:13:39] Voice 2: it finished, put to bed. The new CAO of course is on board and I was asked and

[0:13:48] Voice 2: I'm the vice chair of financial planning and the chair of financial planning wanted to stand down

[0:13:54] Voice 2: after doing a sterling job for two years so I've stepped up to that temporarily until

[0:14:00] Voice 2: there's an election and because of that I'm on this CAO hiring committee actually it's now moved

[0:14:13] Voice 2: into defining you know processes for evaluating the job you know going forward so I haven't

[0:14:21] Voice 2: contributed anything at this stage but it's interesting and some amazing hard work has

[0:14:27] Voice 2: been done by other trustees to pull that together so indeed and then the next thing coming up on my

[0:14:34] Voice 2: agenda is regional planning is meeting on Monday and regional planning it's a special meeting to

[0:14:40] Voice 2: look at the work being done to improve the policies and processes and procedures and

[0:14:49] Voice 2: communication around bylaw enforcement, following on from an Ombudsperson's review and report which

[0:15:00] Voice 2: came in, I don't even know how long ago now, but we've actually convened a full special meeting

[0:15:08] Voice 2: to look at that work because

[0:15:10] Voice 2: it just needed full

[0:15:12] Voice 2: attention. So yeah

[0:15:14] Voice 2: I've got to, despite being in

[0:15:16] Voice 2: Dublin I've got a bit of a packed schedule

[0:15:18] Voice 2: this month. I picked the wrong month

[0:15:20] Voice 2: to be away really.

[0:15:22] Voice 2: So anyway that's it for the moment

[0:15:24] Voice 2: and back to you.

[0:15:26] Voice 3: Thank you Cathy Bowen. It's

[0:15:28] Voice 3: great to imagine

[0:15:30] Voice 3: the zoom lounge and the participating

[0:15:32] Voice 3: you can't be in person

[0:15:34] Voice 3: it does make a difference when everybody

[0:15:36] Voice 3: can attend all of our various

[0:15:39] Voice 3: both trust communities and committee meetings because the more people the more brain that

[0:15:43] Voice 3: we have around the table the better the decision making is all right for mine though it's been

[0:15:48] Voice 3: reasonably busily quiet we of course had the extended christmas break which um allowed us

[0:15:54] Voice 3: to sort of recharge our batteries and such we had trust council in december in victoria which went

[0:16:00] Voice 3: very very well um the trust policy statement is is wandering are we still on track for march

[0:16:09] Voice 3: First meeting? I can't remember. There was this question about the first meeting being March or June target, and I'm not sure if that was the answer.

[0:16:18] Yeah, so as

[0:16:19] Voice 3: I recall in my distant memory, the goal was to try for March, and if it didn't work, then we would try to do the first meeting for June,

[0:16:31] which will allow further public participation and hopefully we will get this finished up.

[0:16:38] Voice 3: I think as I said last meeting I'm very impressed the lack of commentary to me personally because

[0:16:47] Voice 3: the previous draft of the trust policy statement which I believe was 2022 I couldn't go anywhere

[0:16:55] Voice 3: are very community even Victoria's is that people would be very upset and not very happy with the

[0:17:03] Voice 3: context of that this latest draft which has been out at least since last May I have not had one

[0:17:09] Voice 3: person approach here so my read is that the draft of course is always going to be some sort of I

[0:17:18] Voice 3: don't like this I don't like that in small ways but in the overall picture it seems that people

[0:17:23] Voice 3: are fairly satisfied. We did a lot of consultation, we got a lot of feedback, staff did a lot of major revisions, and I think they got it.

[0:17:33] Voice 3: I think it's actually at a point where I think REC's going to be able to get this done and we can move on because it's been years and years and years for it.

[0:17:44] Voice 3: But I think this latest iteration, in my read of feedback, is that I think we're pretty close.

[0:17:55] Voice 3: Otherwise, this is my first meeting since December.

[0:18:01] Voice 3: I've got a meeting today on December.

[0:18:05] Voice 3: Tuesday on Demet Island.

[0:18:07] Voice 3: Next Friday North Tender.

[0:18:09] Voice 3: So I prefer doing a grand tour right now.

[0:18:11] Voice 3: out um but we're we're doing this and stuff and we're doing our very best mr alabaster

[0:18:18] Voice 16: um has

[0:18:19] Voice 16: island's trust received a response from the minister of municipal affairs uh these would

[0:18:25] Voice 16: be your request for a review and is there a second

[0:18:32] Voice 3: letter going is there a conversation

[0:18:35] Voice 3: In September, Trust Council basically re-sent a letter, so the Minister came back to us

[0:18:44] Voice 3: in September 2022 and said, after the election we'd like to hear from the new Trust Council

[0:18:51] Voice 3: if they still want to have a review.

[0:18:54] Voice 3: As things are now in Trust Council, it took us two years, but in September we sent a letter

[0:18:59] Voice 3: to the Minister saying yes, Trust Council would like to have a review.

[0:19:03] Voice 3: um i believe the the initial motion there were two trustees opposed um so that was that was do you

[0:19:12] Voice 3: want to send the letter and then there was a lot of back and forth as there is as to what the

[0:19:17] Voice 3: appropriate timing was and there was a little bit more disagreement about the timing but the letter

[0:19:22] Voice 3: was sent in september um as approved by majority of trust council we have not had a reply to the

[0:19:29] Voice 3: September letter and of course since September there's been an election and there's been the

[0:19:34] Voice 3: Christmas break or something. I'm anticipating just in logically but in the coming weeks we

[0:19:40] Voice 3: should have a reply from the minister at least acknowledging we've seen the letter but we haven't

[0:19:45] Voice 3: nothing yet.

[0:19:48] Voice 14: Is the trust policy statement a fairly short? A

[0:19:54] Voice 3: fairly short? It's

[0:19:56] Voice 3: It's, I would say, not half the size, but maybe two-thirds the size of the previous drafts.

[0:20:04] Voice 3: So it is a shorter document than what the previous one was.

[0:20:09] Voice 2: About 20, just over 20 pages, I think.

[0:20:12] Voice 2: And it's more readable and better organized.

[0:20:17] Voice 2: You know, it's not dense with giant paragraphs that you get lost in.

[0:20:23] Voice 2: It's really quite succinct.

[0:20:24] Voice 2: whether you agree with all of it or not

[0:20:26] Voice 2: at least it's easier to read and digest

[0:20:28] Voice 2: and consider

[0:20:29] Voice 2: and

[0:20:30] Voice 3: certainly the website has

[0:20:33] Voice 3: everything there

[0:20:34] Voice 3: the Trust Council asks

[0:20:37] Voice 3: for everything to be on the website

[0:20:39] Voice 3: and everything's there

[0:20:40] Voice 3: from all the previous drafts to all the redline versions

[0:20:44] Voice 3: you'll go far down the road

[0:20:46] Voice 3: if you go to that webpage

[0:20:47] Voice 3: because every possible word

[0:20:49] Voice 3: you ever want to see is there

[0:20:51] Voice 3: so it's very transparent

[0:20:53] Voice 3: Thank you

[0:20:55] All right.

[0:20:56] Voice 3: So our director is away today. He is on the North Tender and Parks Commission meeting, so we don't have his entertaining input.

[0:21:07] Voice 3: So we will move on to town hall and questions.

[0:21:12] Voice 3: So if anybody has any questions or anything about the meeting, if you want to go ahead, we will address them.

[0:21:21] Voice 16: Well, just as a follow-up, I'm curious to know whether Islands Trust is proceeding with

[0:21:33] Voice 16: the new policy, official plan, in a way that would accommodate the ministerial review because

[0:21:44] Voice 16: because the substance of that review centered on

[0:21:49] Voice 16: I don't trust policy and mandates.

[0:21:51] Voice 16: I'm just, I'm watching, if you will, two freight trains.

[0:21:54] Voice 16: I'm not sure they're in sync.

[0:21:56] Voice 16: Oh, I would

[0:21:57] Voice 3: agree they're not in sync,

[0:21:59] Voice 3: but if there is a ministerial review,

[0:22:03] Voice 3: it's not going to happen instantly.

[0:22:05] Voice 3: It very well could take years.

[0:22:08] Voice 3: So in the meantime, we need a policy statement.

[0:22:10] Voice 3: So it's basically, it's all parallel paths, that at one point we're going to hopefully merge it, because again, this is a request from the Minister, so the Minister can say, no, I don't want to review.

[0:22:25] Voice 3: So we just have to proceed the way we are, and if the review is undertaken, then likely yes, there might be a policy statement review post that review.

[0:22:35] Voice 3: but we have to proceed, we have to get 10 of our ducks in a row because there was so much that was outdated.

[0:22:45] Voice 3: So it was incumbent on us to get the policy statement sort of at least somewhat into the present century.

[0:22:54] Voice 3: And so I'm based on the feedback from the public that I've not received.

[0:23:01] Voice 3: I think the people are pretty satisfied with what we've put together.

[0:23:06] Voice 3: What we'll see is that we've had public input all the way up to now.

[0:23:10] Voice 3: It's been very mean.

[0:23:12] Voice 3: We're going to go to the first reading.

[0:23:14] Voice 3: And, of course, as you'll recall, last time when we tried to go to the first reading,

[0:23:17] Voice 3: that's when the public really, really got engaged.

[0:23:20] Voice 3: So we'll see.

[0:23:22] Voice 3: We'll attempt to go to the first reading.

[0:23:24] Voice 3: We'll see.

[0:23:25] Voice 3: And if trustees want to do it, that is the first step if you're getting it done.

[0:23:31] Voice 3: So, well, all right. Looking

[0:23:38] Voice 5: at the short-line policy review back on the table.

[0:23:43] Voice 3: I have an opportunity to

[0:23:45] Voice 3: review it with Shell due to business with Ron Hall's potential subdivision, which is obviously off the table.

[0:23:56] Voice 3: so hopefully that brings the ability for the trust to review the short-run policy and you know back

[0:24:02] Voice 3: to the forefront yeah yeah

[0:24:06] Voice 17: it's um it was based on um we brought that forward um because based on

[0:24:14] Voice 17: a bylaw um uh situation how we said with the four short rooms and some questions about it

[0:24:22] Voice 17: we looked into the uh policy that guides um the shoreline in terms of the land use by law

[0:24:31] Voice 17: and it was it looked like it was basically taken straight from the CRE's um 1974 by law book and

[0:24:41] Voice 17: it's it's not even paragraph it's very very light on detail yep and and it clearly we should be

[0:24:49] Voice 17: updating it it's not speaking to the modern day of shoreline erosion sea level rise and um and

[0:24:56] Voice 17: you know climate change that's affecting uh weather patterns and whatnot so that's just the

[0:25:01] Voice 17: synopsis of it i mean we didn't really it never got a project chartered because it fairly quickly

[0:25:07] Voice 17: got displaced by the i think it was the agricultural land reserve exclusion and inclusion

[0:25:14] Voice 17: project of Mr. Hall. I think that that became a huge amount of work for a staff that just took up.

[0:25:20] Voice 17: We had not, none of us I think had any idea it would be so much work to engage in and so that's, that's I think what basically happened to it while it slipped down.

[0:25:30] Voice 17: We're only, just the way we resource, we can only really work on one major project at the time, which we'll hear about in a minute,

[0:25:38] Voice 17: um which will speak to the trail i mean that at that point is it it is on the uh what do we call

[0:25:45] Voice 17: it the future projects and it's not going to be little yeah yeah it was on the future projects

[0:25:51] Voice 17: list so so yeah we'll speak more to that at what does that mean on the internet so thank you for

[0:25:57] Voice 17: bringing that up yeah i

[0:26:01] Voice 15: i have another great issue and it relates back to

[0:26:06] Voice 15: to the policy that the Island Trust has put forward

[0:26:13] Voice 15: as ring water catchment being a viable source

[0:26:19] Voice 15: of potable water or subdivision.

[0:26:22] Voice 15: And the only comment I've had back so far

[0:26:26] Voice 15: on my subdivision application has been from health

[0:26:29] Voice 15: and they have recommended,

[0:26:33] Voice 15: even though Brad's report did suggest

[0:26:36] Voice 15: suggest that rainwater catchment was useful towards subdivision process, health denied

[0:26:45] Voice 15: it saying that it's not viable, there's a number of reasons why it isn't, but they do

[0:26:54] Voice 15: not recommend it being a probable source of water for subdivision purposes.

[0:27:01] Voice 15: So it seems to me, until such time as the Islands Trust makes it official on the statements that are currently in the file, that it won't go ahead.

[0:27:14] Voice 15: And I think that unless the Islands Trust do a little footwork and groundwork with the Ministry, with Health and with the Approving Officer, that it will not happen.

[0:27:27] Voice 15: And in light of the last meeting I attended, where Deanna was just suggesting that they were going to put in a rainwater catchment clause that covers the whole island.

[0:27:38] Voice 15: So then you're looking at in the neighborhood of $80,000 for the provision of water for an average lot going forward,

[0:27:47] Voice 15: if a well and pump are installed at those high costs and then a real water catchment system on top of that.

[0:27:57] Voice 15: It's crazy and it's horrendous and it just makes development here less and less viable.

[0:28:07] Voice 15: You know, I really have a problem with that.

[0:28:10] Voice 15: And the other question, of course, is the problem we have with the NDP or whatever they wish us to do for the seawall that was constructed 29 years ago on our property.

[0:28:29] Voice 15: The current situation does not address bank erosion, waterfront erosion, it's just not

[0:28:40] Voice 15: suitable and not workable and we are losing portions of our funding every year.

[0:28:47] Voice 15: The last several years we have spent at least $10,000 in machine time and effort to try

[0:28:54] Voice 15: to go back to where we were it all went out again this winter the only way we can fix it so it will

[0:29:03] Voice 15: last is to do it properly and frankly we're frightened to do that much work on the foreshore

[0:29:11] Voice 15: until we know there's some protection for us because if we spend a hundred thousand dollars

[0:29:17] Voice 15: and they say well you've got to tear that out i mean the world becomes insane and i guess i'm an

[0:29:24] Voice 15: an old man in my views but we have to have something better than this to go forward yeah

[0:29:33] Voice 3: and i think both of those topics not unique to this term um is is and um i don't trust me

[0:29:41] Voice 3: did you want to touch on the radio because that's kind of your wheelhouse um

[0:29:47] Voice 2: uh a bit so john uh did

[0:29:51] Voice 2: Did you ever get a response or did we ever get a response to the letter we sent supporting the use of potable water?

[0:30:00] Voice 2: like stating very firmly that we wanted that to be be viable on Citerna.

[0:30:06] Voice 2: Was there ever a response to that?

[0:30:09] Voice 15: I included that information in my application.

[0:30:15] Voice 15: Brant reinforced that in his forwarding of the subdivision

[0:30:21] Voice 15: to MOTI, which, of course, put it out to health.

[0:30:25] Voice 15: So I can't answer that exactly, but yes, that information has been included, but it appears that the health department do not accept it as being useful information in light of their approach to the problem.

[0:30:47] Voice 15: and now on the waterfront in my particular case there's a further problem with the two waterfront

[0:30:54] Voice 15: lots will neither be one will be 2.12 acres and the other will be 2.35 acres and those both have

[0:31:05] Voice 15: wells drilled on them from 15 or 20 years ago but they will not accept those wells because you can't

[0:31:13] Voice 15: have um on-site sewage disposal and a drilling well a lot that's less than two and a half acres

[0:31:20] Voice 15: are one hectic all right which drives you back to a public water system or rainwater catchment

[0:31:30] Voice 15: and if you can't use one or the other we're screwed i'm sorry but that's where we're at

[0:31:39] Voice 15: and there doesn't seem to be a fix for it

[0:31:41] Voice 3: so when you're feeling when i thought my dla

[0:31:46] Voice 3: it it said the provision of water subject to the approval of some of the satisfaction of the local

[0:31:55] Voice 3: trust committee this is yours

[0:31:57] Voice 15: but ultimately i don't have a pla or plr i'm probably two years

[0:32:02] Voice 15: years from that, if the track record to date means anything.

[0:32:06] Voice 15: So I have nothing to go on until I can get a PLA.

[0:32:10] Voice 15: I can't even address these issues.

[0:32:12] Voice 15: No, because I think we

[0:32:16] Voice 17: had a discussion.

[0:32:17] Voice 17: I think we will have a discussion.

[0:32:18] Voice 17: I'm just at the committee information session on this.

[0:32:22] Voice 17: As I think Marion was talking about last time,

[0:32:24] Voice 17: it's a big piece to move along.

[0:32:28] Voice 17: And

[0:32:28] Voice 12: what's a big piece?

[0:32:31] Voice 17: Basically, changing the way the groundwater is the sole source of potable water on the island.

[0:32:38] Voice 17: And so it's an excellent start with the Stanford report that I agree with you.

[0:32:42] Voice 17: I saw right away that the by-law, as written, the proposed by-law would require catchment

[0:32:49] Voice 17: without any surety from MOTI that they will accept that and not require the dripping of a well.

[0:32:56] Voice 17: so effectively it means both would have to happen but i don't think that's a criticism of the bylaw

[0:33:03] Voice 17: it's basically just a lot of pieces have to move along and i and i think that what we probably need

[0:33:08] Voice 17: to do is go to the quality and quantity statement that they use and actually come to a definition

[0:33:17] Voice 17: push that forward and then as you say push it with the ministry push it with vr and say this is the

[0:33:24] Voice 17: local government's standard for water supply quantity and quality now we may run into problems

[0:33:34] Voice 17: there but we won't know what those are until i think we actually start doing it it's a big piece

[0:33:39] Voice 17: of work um and so that's where i kind of wanted to talk about our work priorities and how that

[0:33:45] Voice 17: would fit in and how we move forward so i guess stay tuned in this meeting because exactly what

[0:33:50] Voice 17: the product is is front of mind for us here in it um and um yeah

[0:33:59] Voice 2: yeah go ahead

[0:34:00] Voice 6: just through the chair now tonight and just uh also say that would also i think

[0:34:05] Voice 6: require a lot of internally with the trust with william and i don't think any other trust here

[0:34:11] Voice 6: right now has a potable water standard based on rainwater attachment and in fact the north

[0:34:17] Voice 6: pander by law that's the most recent model by law uh restricts it expressly restricts it which is

[0:34:27] Voice 6: interesting so uh

[0:34:29] Voice 14: uh

[0:34:31] Voice 6: rainwater attachment as a source as the source of the water

[0:34:37] Voice 6: so just to understand that i would need a lot of work uh within as all part of that project

[0:34:46] Voice 6: yeah yeah

[0:34:48] Voice 4: yeah i

[0:34:51] Voice 2: think there's been work done by other people like in the crd and that guy

[0:34:58] Voice 2: i'm going blank on his name who did the workshop on saturn so there is information out there in

[0:35:04] Voice 2: fact there's a bc province 2021 document on standards for rainwater catchment how you

[0:35:11] Voice 2: you should process it etc etc and um it actually excludes private domestic well yeah sorry private

[0:35:19] Voice 2: domestic um but it says that these standards are applicable if you want to use them but they can't

[0:35:25] Voice 2: compel you to if it's just for a you know domestic use and i was i was a bit taken aback brad to be

[0:35:34] Voice 2: be honest that um williams proof of water documents are all about wells only i had assumed that he

[0:35:44] Voice 2: would include rainwater catchment in proof of water for subdivision or development so um i would

[0:35:52] Voice 2: really like him to come to the next trust meeting and we could have you know a to and fro about

[0:35:58] Voice 2: about what's possible because I have been reading and have been a bit disappointed to find nothing

[0:36:05] Voice 2: about rainwater catchment even though um on Solspring Island they did a big project and

[0:36:12] Voice 2: came up with the standard um and in Nanaimo so I think there's material that we could

[0:36:19] Voice 2: um reuse and and move it forward fairly quickly but I think William needs to come to the next

[0:36:27] Voice 2: meeting if possible. Thanks.

[0:36:30] Voice 6: I can put that on the follow-up question. I

[0:36:32] Voice 2: think the hesitation

[0:36:33] Voice 2: of

[0:36:33] Voice 6: the hydrobiologists as well as obviously the hydrobiologists at Island Health and at the

[0:36:39] Voice 6: ministry is that there is a lot of challenges around regulating rainwater catchment and

[0:36:44] Voice 6: ensuring that it's safe versus groundwater which is a trapped contained safe water source and

[0:36:52] Voice 6: requires one. It just has a much longer legacy regulation. So that's the

[0:36:58] Voice 6: challenge is that I

[0:37:01] Voice 6: think the water professionals and experts see the

[0:37:04] Voice 6: risks as well as the benefits and they're

[0:37:08] Voice 6: anxious of the risks. Yeah, it's an interesting

[0:37:12] Voice 3: thing because the other island involved with

[0:37:17] Voice 3: with Isle of Stress, it's Dem and Isle, and there's so much water catchment out there.

[0:37:23] Voice 3: There's actually a co-holder, a cooperative living, I think they've got 12 homes there,

[0:37:31] Voice 3: and the whole separation is done 100% with rainwater. So in that area, rainwater is

[0:37:38] Voice 3: fairly, fairly widely embraced. So it's interesting when we get down to other jurisdictions down here,

[0:37:47] Voice 3: There seems to be a little bit more hesitancy, but I think it's a bigger question, a bigger project, and I see hands going everywhere to do stuff.

[0:37:57] Voice 14: Just a thought of mine, certainly out in the Winter Cove area and one other area or so, that water that comes from the ground can have arsenic in it.

[0:38:10] Voice 14: So it's not like this is a 100% thing.

[0:38:14] Voice 14: and i think that or in my opinion um if john has two lots that he's been working on for the amount

[0:38:25] Voice 14: of time that he's been working on and john and i disagree on a lot of things right john yes

[0:38:30] Voice 14: and now the law isn't here

[0:38:39] Voice 14: I would love to see some of the catch 22s dealt with on a more individual basis if there have been

[0:38:49] Voice 14: on our property and what is now properties when John and I bought the 80 acres that we did we

[0:38:56] Voice 14: were required to prove have proof of water so that's something that we did as the quote unquote

[0:39:01] Voice 14: developers so that come came at a fair cost to us you know depends on how much money you have

[0:39:07] Voice 14: and to have already sunk as it were that money that much money is something i can understand

[0:39:13] Voice 14: regulations changing and and but it's kind of the great area in which people get caught up in

[0:39:21] Voice 14: and i think that that is uh difficult for people when we live under the trust act which gives us

[0:39:30] Voice 14: so many benefits to keep on and on year after year attempting to work around something uh when there

[0:39:38] Voice 14: are many aspects that take so long so that gets disheartening and makes one very irritable towards

[0:39:44] Voice 14: the trust and that brings down our capability and the buy-in to the trust and that actually

[0:39:51] Voice 14: pisses me off so i would like to see uh john's been more polite than i would be on these two

[0:39:59] Voice 14: lots and it seems to be that um i realize we can't make spot decisions for a lot of people

[0:40:07] Voice 14: i don't know how to get around um for sure disintegration which i can see i can see

[0:40:14] Voice 14: winter by winter coming huge nobody has a real answer to that but the thing on the lots it seems

[0:40:20] Voice 14: to me that between the two trustees and our island that we should be able to do something

[0:40:28] Voice 14: with that in what I would call a decent amount of time. John and I are both

[0:40:33] Voice 14: getting old and same thing with Judy Meyers. It's like how long do you go on

[0:40:38] Voice 14: with extended? John's been at this so long that the rules have changed another

[0:40:43] Voice 14: whole time. So that seems to me to be truly unhelpful.

[0:40:50] Voice 3: But I think both issues, the board short and the rainwater catchment, hopefully are going to get

[0:40:56] Voice 3: addressed the trust policy statement which will give a little bit firmer marching words

[0:41:03] but i

[0:41:04] Voice 3: i very much agree groundwater is is not in my mind necessarily a safe source because

[0:41:12] Voice 3: you have saltwater transition you have the potential for septic um contamination you

[0:41:18] Voice 3: the arsenic is very common on the islands there is versus rainwater if you had a system

[0:41:27] Voice 3: it's pretty much the same and of course people oftentimes point to places like bermuda

[0:41:33] Voice 3: which is 100 percent water rainwater catchment um so it's it's not an unknown entity

[0:41:40] Voice 3: um so hopefully

[0:41:43] Voice 14: that i would like to remove from this transaction

[0:41:47] Voice 3: And I think that's our job, is to remove both things and make it reality.

[0:41:51] Voice 14: No, I

[0:41:52] Voice 14: can understand more overarching things, but we're talking about two lots here.

[0:41:57] Voice 14: And this has been going on and on and on.

[0:42:00] Voice 14: And I'm sure you're as tired of it as I am.

[0:42:02] Voice 3: Well, part of the problem is, of course, the way the trust is structured, because we're only responsible for one piece of the pie.

[0:42:11] Voice 3: And in this case, the local trust committee seems to be very much on board with the rainwater

[0:42:18] Voice 3: protection,

[0:42:19] Voice 5: but

[0:42:20] Voice 3: now you've got this other jurisdiction in Motee as the approving officer

[0:42:24] Voice 3: deferring to another body, which is Health, who are saying, well, we don't think this

[0:42:29] Voice 3: is a good idea.

[0:42:30] Voice 14: It's scary, isn't it?

[0:42:31] Voice 3: So we're doing our best.

[0:42:34] Voice 3: Trustee Motee?

[0:42:35] Voice 3: um

[0:42:36] Voice 2: i seem to remember they have they changed the regulation to the two and a half acres

[0:42:41] Voice 2: because i believed that it was you had to be 100 feet between the well and the septic field

[0:42:49] Voice 2: um and if they changed the regulation when did they change it because those wells were drilled

[0:42:55] Voice 2: quite some time ago um i'm not really sure it's a horrible puzzle and you're so close to two and a

[0:43:02] Voice 2: half acres can we you know make a variance or is there anything we can do brad to try and help with

[0:43:11] Voice 2: this issue explain the issue again

[0:43:15] Voice 7: well

[0:43:16] Voice 2: they seem to have told john that he needs the lot needs to

[0:43:19] Voice 2: be two and a half acres to have septic and a well on it and his are both just under two and a half

[0:43:27] Voice 2: acres who's

[0:43:29] Voice 15: telling you that um health the

[0:43:33] Voice 6: one of the we we wouldn't be able to vary a health

[0:43:37] Voice 6: regulation we can only

[0:43:39] Voice 6: vary the regulations it's a provincial

[0:43:41] Voice 15: regulation now um that you can't have

[0:43:45] Voice 15: on-site sewage and a well a lot less than two and a half acres uh in the islands trust um bylaws it

[0:43:53] Voice 15: says that for purposes of densities, you can use half of the road, and so I use

[0:44:05] Voice 15: half the road,

[0:44:07] Voice 15: they both work. Like the driveway? No, the

[0:44:10] Voice 15: public room, because there's a lot of public,

[0:44:12] Voice 15: these lots are 400 feet wide, so half of 66 feet is enough increase to make them viable.

[0:44:21] Voice 15: Having said all of this, I got mad the other day and called the water person and he's an old redneck like me, by the sound of him, been doing it for four years.

[0:44:35] Voice 15: And he said, just get your PLA, don't worry about any of the restrictions, because they'll say on your PLA or your PLR that it's not approved because of this, this and this.

[0:44:46] Voice 15: and then he says we can walk all over

[0:44:48] Voice 15: these people, I'm an engineer, they can't

[0:44:50] Voice 15: make any of this stand out, don't worry

[0:44:52] Voice 15: Robert, and you know that

[0:44:54] Voice 15: that's

[0:44:54] Voice 4: very nice, but I

[0:44:56] Voice 15: think he's probably right

[0:44:57] Voice 15: and the sad part of this is

[0:45:00] Voice 15: that you go through all

[0:45:02] Voice 15: of this trauma and heartache

[0:45:04] Voice 15: trying to get there and then at the

[0:45:06] Voice 15: end of the day, an engineer

[0:45:08] Voice 15: because Ian does

[0:45:10] Voice 15: a septic system

[0:45:12] Voice 15: and he has to be X number of feet

[0:45:14] Voice 15: feedback from the breakout on the ocean side if a designer of lesser standard than an engineer

[0:45:23] Voice 15: designs it but if an engineer designs it you put the dams in anywhere he wants so all of these

[0:45:29] Voice 15: regulations just seem bendable and breakable and it's so sad that we're in that scenario

[0:45:37] Voice 15: barrier because it just makes everything difficult and unnecessarily so. And yet I know to change

[0:45:46] Voice 15: it, it's a problem. And by the way, the water run section in question, there are four previous

[0:45:56] Voice 15: lots there, three of which are just about a acre or slightly more than an acre. And

[0:46:04] Voice 15: the third and they bracket these two lots and they all have wells and they all have septic systems

[0:46:10] Voice 15: but now there's a lot that's over two lots that are over twice the size they say you can't do that

[0:46:19] Voice 15: and and Ian has built three houses on the cliffside recently and that's in an area

[0:46:27] Voice 15: where water catchment is mandatory for a building permit.

[0:46:34] Voice 15: And so the building, they don't have to put in

[0:46:38] Voice 15: a rainwater tracking system,

[0:46:39] Voice 15: but to develop a new lot, you don't have a choice.

[0:46:42] Voice 15: And it's difficult.

[0:46:47] Voice 17: No, we never went into the contradictions

[0:46:51] Voice 17: and we've been, I mean, one thing,

[0:46:53] Voice 17: and there's almost two issues.

[0:46:55] Voice 17: One is just the fact that the approving officer

[0:46:57] Voice 17: is taking so long to make any report back positive or negative to be able to kind of go with both

[0:47:05] Voice 17: on Judy's property and your subdivision. Brad has tried quite extensively with the office and we

[0:47:15] Voice 17: were kind of making some progress it looked like but then we've just heard that that individual

[0:47:19] Voice 17: that Brad was commenting with has now changed position. So honestly I don't know what to do

[0:47:25] Voice 17: that but we definitely probably should have internally for the conversation and one of the

[0:47:30] Voice 17: things that sort of gained traction recently and i'm not sure what's becoming of it is the fact

[0:47:39] Voice 17: that the trust assumes subdivision authority um that was the press term that was that i

[0:47:47] Voice 17: understood the negotiations were entering an advanced stage but then they broke down

[0:47:54] Voice 17: and it's not there's not there's not much discussion around trust council about that

[0:47:58] Voice 17: recently but it does seem that that would be a very helpful thing for the trust to do

[0:48:06] Voice 17: in terms of trying to change uh the you know potable water they could evolve and what that

[0:48:12] Voice 17: looks like um you know that that's the only could create that blue sky solution obviously

[0:48:20] Voice 17: because that's some time away but i think we are on the job as far as the water goes

[0:48:26] Voice 17: and what counts as public water through this minor amendment minor housing memory project

[0:48:33] Voice 17: that's resulted in the reports and the maps that you used to hear today um and then i think we

[0:48:39] Voice 17: probably do need to somehow try to follow up with the ministry office to to just point out that

[0:48:45] Voice 17: that things have effectively grown to a halt

[0:48:47] Voice 17: with any and all business relating to Saturna Island.

[0:48:51] Voice 17: It just seems to be that's the case.

[0:48:54] Voice 17: And that, I mean, that just, that doesn't work

[0:48:58] Voice 17: as you pointed out, and it's not working

[0:49:01] Voice 17: for another conservation role that we have on the island,

[0:49:05] Voice 17: which is with Judy's property, so.

[0:49:07] Voice 15: I mean, one of the issues seems to be obviously

[0:49:10] Voice 15: Obviously, the short term of stay that many of the people within the system at Motey, especially, and the approving officers,

[0:49:19] Voice 15: a subdivision will probably see four approving officers changed before they start to finish, and that makes it difficult.

[0:49:27] Voice 15: call it. But as an example, my application after the rezoning

[0:49:33] Voice 15: and the property back to all rural, from rural residential on

[0:49:40] Voice 15: the waterfront, Brad sent a copy of the approved plan of

[0:49:50] Voice 15: subdivision. And with that there was a PDF for the file to show

[0:49:57] Voice 15: the map of the new subdivision layout with one less slot in the waterfront differences and months

[0:50:08] Voice 15: after this after being you know very pleasantly polite with young rampages and trying to

[0:50:16] Voice 15: understand he was new in the job and all those things but months and months later he sent me

[0:50:21] Voice 15: an email and said um it would really be helpful for me to send this out to the other agencies

[0:50:28] Voice 15: but i had a pdf file of the plan well it came with the approval from um brad months prior to that

[0:50:40] Voice 15: now i mean that's not the trust fall that's not anybody's fault how do you deal with the bureaucracy

[0:50:45] Voice 15: bureaucracy that works at that level of efficiency is inversely impossible. So I sent in an individual

[0:50:54] Voice 15: copy of the PDF, but it was obviously in a spot.

[0:50:57] Voice 15: But I think going forward,

[0:50:59] Voice 3: I think next meeting we'll try to have a real good discussion about

[0:51:05] Voice 3: rainwater catchment. I would suggest to trustees that dwell into the policy statement and look

[0:51:14] Voice 3: statements there and as we're doing the final drafts on the policy we need more words let's

[0:51:22] Voice 3: press for that because i know probably because i say this is not a saturnal thing this is a greater

[0:51:28] Voice 3: across the trust area every local trustee has got this on their radar and let's do what we can but

[0:51:35] Voice 3: one of the things that certainly i agree with if we had subdivision authority within the trust

[0:51:41] Voice 3: things would be a lot more aligned because oftentimes the mandate of the trust conflicts

[0:51:48] Voice 3: with the mandate of the approving office and and we hear this like i'm a very good example i'm eight

[0:51:55] Voice 3: years into a submission process on on main island and i'm trying to carve off two simple laws

[0:52:02] Voice 3: and it just it takes a long tedious time the changes in bureaucrats and such it's not easy

[0:52:11] Voice 3: And so if this was in our wheelhouse, I think the process would be naturally just common sense by so much easier, because our really good professional planners, instead of having to educate somebody from another ministry, basically in-house, as we were doing the subdivision, we can develop the rules and regulations that work for the trust, because the trust is unique, and the trust is here to preserve and protect.

[0:52:38] Voice 3: that so the interest of an approving officer and saying like we had a subdivision they made them

[0:52:44] Voice 3: develop the whole 66 road right away for a couple of house subdivision so it is that the right away

[0:52:52] Voice 3: exists you don't have to clear it they need to take every tree every block everything on 66 feet

[0:52:58] Voice 3: because that was the cost and so you know i think hopefully that's one of the goals that we can have

[0:53:06] Voice 3: of his work is to try to pass is to get subdivision approval within the trust to really push that

[0:53:13] Voice 3: preserve and protect the ending mr halloway

[0:53:16] Voice 16: um i just want to circle back to the comments you made

[0:53:19] Voice 16: describing the subdivision of denman island which is 100 catchment um that's

[0:53:27] Voice 16: suggesting to me that somebody's already plowed at least one furrow down the field

[0:53:33] Voice 16: So in addition to the water expert, whose name I don't know, would be invited to the next meeting,

[0:53:41] Voice 16: would it not move things forward extremely quickly if we could get somebody who would be responsible for that touchdown from Denman?

[0:53:53] Voice 16: Describe how this thing happened.

[0:53:56] Voice 16: Gordon Baird, by the way, is the person whose name you were looking for.

[0:54:01] Voice 16: I mean, this has been done. It's in the IT area. Let's put our hands up and if it's been done, let's find out how they did it.

[0:54:14] Voice 3: Yeah, but that probably takes about 20 years. So whoever was involved probably is no longer involved.

[0:54:21] Voice 3: all our um planner chadwick um who's been working on north bender may denman gabriel um we may

[0:54:31] Voice 3: consider uh inviting her in also because she has been like working on some of this rainwater

[0:54:40] Voice 3: just through

[0:54:43] Voice 6: the chair are we talking about the cistern regulation stuff in your project

[0:54:51] Voice 16: I guess my point being is, if we're going to have a meeting, could we take ownership

[0:54:57] Voice 16: of the right people and the right experts at that meeting to make as much progress as

[0:55:02] Voice 16: is possible at the meeting?

[0:55:03] Voice 16: That's all.

[0:55:07] Voice 6: Chair, so you're talking about a project that doesn't exist right now and examining,

[0:55:12] Voice 6: reviewing your bylaws.

[0:55:15] Voice 6: I don't think it really fits in your minor amendments.

[0:55:18] Voice 6: housing project i think it would expand the scope of it i think you'd be better to

[0:55:25] Voice 6: decide what to do with that project and either dive into like there is a lot of work required

[0:55:32] Voice 6: to get to a place where you have everyone outside i think to shift uh one there's a lot of work just

[0:55:40] Voice 6: to get to adjusting your standards for your subdivision regulations to include water and

[0:55:45] Voice 6: potentially something but he doesn't include now and there's a whole bunch of extra work to then

[0:55:49] Voice 6: do all that work to get to so i'm a little wary that we're starting to invest energy and

[0:55:57] Voice 6: capacity in the work that we don't project for i

[0:56:04] Voice 17: think that's i'll speak to that again when we

[0:56:07] Voice 17: talk about the um the world this the project of the work program um because it's a fair

[0:56:18] Voice 17: point and and i think that's exactly the discussion we need to have next meeting to is to map out

[0:56:25] Voice 17: precisely how we wish to move forwards and maybe that's we could take advantage of some

[0:56:31] Voice 17: professional guys at that point or not we haven't had that conversation yet but it would be to do

[0:56:36] Voice 17: with that i'd suggest we would have to actually define the project then because it's not defined

[0:56:41] Voice 17: as you pointed out and um and i think actually your current reporting invites us to in a sense

[0:56:47] Voice 17: do that, to pause, recollect, refocus, and figure out what's the best and most effective

[0:56:54] Voice 17: way to move forward when it comes to these broader issues and development and subdivision,

[0:57:00] Voice 17: et cetera.

[0:57:00] Voice 17: So that's, I guess, what I'll talk about when we end up coming up with a recommendation.

[0:57:06] Voice 17: I think it's a very good one.

[0:57:07] Voice 17: That's what I'm proposing we do, or will propose we do.

[0:57:12] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:57:12] Voice 17: So,

[0:57:13] Voice 3: yeah, I think we can address that.

[0:57:15] Voice 3: that, we get to the work program.

[0:57:25] Voice 17: It's a huge area. We have to move our resources, focus

[0:57:30] Voice 17: on what we think is the one narrow area to move forward on, recognize that it might not

[0:57:36] Voice 17: be the full solution, but it might just be a piece and we have to add other pieces.

[0:57:41] Voice 17: is probably this word um about looking at a lot of projects and the housing projects as a bunch

[0:57:48] Voice 17: of interlocking pieces some of which are going to get ahead of each other unavoidably just because

[0:57:53] Voice 17: we can't so i have a staff of plenty who we can point at this we've got to be very uh

[0:58:01] Voice 3: yes we'll use

[0:58:02] Voice 3: that word thank you well yeah so let's address this from here to the program

[0:58:09] Voice 3: program, wrap our hands around it, and figure, see if we can collect at the time on an appropriate

[0:58:18] Voice 3: road forward, which might be, the process might be the next meeting.

[0:58:21] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:58:21] Voice 3: So if we assemble the brain trust at the next meeting, and as a local trust committee, understand

[0:58:29] Voice 3: the challenges and get some recommendations as to the best road forward, because I think

[0:58:34] Voice 3: part of it will be is it will probably reach my manager jumping and saying you know this is a

[0:58:40] Voice 3: bigger issue this is you know instead of each local trust committee trying to to slay the dragon

[0:58:47] Voice 3: it should be a bigger trust project which might take too much time so we might we might have to

[0:58:53] Voice 3: tackle this on our own so but let's let's get to that when we get to it yeah so yeah that sounds

[0:59:00] Voice 3: Yeah. So they have to move on if that's

[0:59:02] Voice 15: okay, or yeah.

[0:59:04] Voice 15: This issue that I have and Ian indirectly has over the AC wall and it's apparent illegality

[0:59:12] Voice 15: after being here 27 years. Do we address that now or will the Biowall inspection guide

[0:59:20] Voice 15: online or is he online currently? He's online currently.

[0:59:25] Voice 3: But this is

[0:59:27] Voice 3: probably not the point of the agenda to be dealing with this um

[0:59:34] Voice 3: and i

[0:59:35] Voice 17: would say that's a separate topic so i guess what we talked about last time is to say

[0:59:42] Voice 17: to uh we're not directly involved in the file of course you know we're arts lands until such time

[0:59:49] Voice 17: as the enforcement officer comes to us for guidance or or some you know some other attorney

[0:59:55] Voice 17: anymore, but what I think we have said in the past is, we

[1:00:00] Voice 17: We recognise this as an opportunity for us to look at our shoreline policy and, as I

[1:00:07] Voice 17: said, I'm not super familiar with the details of the complaint, first of all, what year

[1:00:12] Voice 17: ago was it?

[1:00:14] Voice 17: And we could ask, respectfully, that the file be suspended, subject to our review of shoreline

[1:00:22] Voice 17: policy.

[1:00:22] Voice 17: I think that would be perhaps an appropriate ask, but I don't know how we should do that.

[1:00:28] Voice 17: That's up to you, Jeff.

[1:00:29] Voice 3: Yeah, the difficulty is that it probably doesn't address, because they want to proceed with doing something.

[1:00:41] Voice 5: And

[1:00:41] Voice 3: so we can perhaps suspend it by our enforcement actions,

[1:00:46] Voice 3: but we're not necessarily giving you, in the short term, the ability to actually resolve your problem at hand.

[1:00:55] Voice 3: That's some of the protocols.

[1:00:56] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:00:57] Voice 3: Yes, the

[1:00:58] Voice 15: problem for us is that if we go through the process, I think it's a $2,000 fee to do that.

[1:01:09] Voice 15: On top of that, it might cost $6,000 or $8,000 or $10,000 to do a survey because we're talking about a piece of property that has three quarters of a mile of ocean phenomenon and has never had an official survey.

[1:01:22] Voice 15: So if we've got to survey that, and surveyors tend to take the approach, well, I have to do everything because otherwise my ass is in the wind.

[1:01:30] Voice 15: And so the bills are astronomical.

[1:01:36] Voice 15: And what really gets to me over this is, granted, I guess it wasn't an affordable thing at the time that it happened,

[1:01:45] Voice 15: but it was as unusual. And since that time, the Islands Trust has approved the siting of the house

[1:01:55] Voice 15: twice because they approved the siting of the B&D, which is now a part of the overall secondary

[1:02:03] Voice 15: siting of the main dwelling. There have been three building permits issued by the CRD

[1:02:10] Voice 15: on that location as an approved site and let's see the wall was there at that time the setbacks

[1:02:21] Voice 15: to allow that positioning were dependent on the wall and if there isn't some culpability

[1:02:30] Voice 15: somewhere down the line by the bureaucracy i don't know where there is one because

[1:02:38] Voice 15: Because we now all of a sudden, because of one complaint, apparently, have been tagged as doing something about this.

[1:02:45] Voice 15: And this is a problem around the total furniture of our property, erosion and what's happening,

[1:02:52] Voice 15: and the tree loss and all of the stuff about wounds, if we can't do it in a proper way.

[1:02:59] Voice 15: And this is the one piece of land where the seawall that we built was built in a proper fashion.

[1:03:05] Voice 15: and 27 years later it's still an asthma condition and you know on top of this whole thing is if it

[1:03:12] Voice 15: was only four feet high it would be legal but because it's over four feet high it's not legal

[1:03:17] Voice 15: and how does that make any sense in the real world i i just don't know and i'm i'm at a loss as to

[1:03:26] Voice 15: how to deal with this because it seems like we're being asked to put a huge bill

[1:03:33] Voice 15: or something that probably a year or so down the road will be okay and I would like the trust

[1:03:40] Voice 15: to figure out if they can how they can pay it off. So

[1:03:46] Voice 17: then I think just the two issues opposite

[1:03:48] Voice 17: the bylaw of course it's going with what's in our land use bylaws and so we and that has actually

[1:03:57] Voice 17: hopefully somewhat identified that we have issues with that land use bylaws well out of date and

[1:04:02] Voice 17: and it's not really functional for the current environment.

[1:04:04] Voice 17: So I think we have the project,

[1:04:07] Voice 17: I mean, well, it's listed as a future project,

[1:04:13] Voice 17: but basically I think there's some urgency

[1:04:16] Voice 17: to move it ahead, to get the answers.

[1:04:20] Voice 17: I think they're looking more about what is possible,

[1:04:22] Voice 17: like what can we do,

[1:04:23] Voice 17: which we want to run into the project we want to do.

[1:04:27] Voice 17: I think the only way we can do that

[1:04:29] Voice 17: is by following through this process, get it as a project, do the work, come up with the shoreline

[1:04:36] Voice 17: policy. In the interim, as far as the bylaw company goes, you have more experience than I

[1:04:43] Voice 17: can share in terms of what it would be appropriate to contact the bylaw officer, explain that we need

[1:04:48] Voice 17: to dig into this and for the interim, because there are potentially substantial costs, is that

[1:04:55] Voice 17: So basically, the interposter should be paused, subject to this review.

[1:04:59] Voice 3: So we're going down around the post.

[1:05:02] Voice 3: So we're here.

[1:05:03] Voice 3: I see Mr. Dingman has come up on screen.

[1:05:06] Voice 3: So, Mr. Dingman, we will seek your guidance.

[1:05:09] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:05:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, Chair, at this point, I think the Local Trust Committee should pass a resolution requesting a staff report regarding this property and any bylaw contraventions.

[1:05:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And then they could proceed from there after they consider the report.

[1:05:25] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:05:29] Voice 17: Yeah, I guess we know that what's going to come up is the guidance. It's very, very limited. It was inherited straight from the 70s to be language. But fair enough. I mean, that's what the report.

[1:05:43] Voice 17: report um so um just through your chair who is is um is missing is suggesting do you think that the

[1:05:52] Voice 17: basically this report be a summary of of of the of the violent fraction of the alleged infraction

[1:05:58] Voice 17: and the and the findings today or would it be a recommendation about proceeds

[1:06:03] Voice 3: so what i would ask

[1:06:06] Voice 3: mr would you have this a minute just to sort of compose a recommended record resolution

[1:06:14] Voice 3: and we can do it so it's appropriately where it works for you.

[1:06:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So it would be a basic resolution that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:06:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: request a staff report regarding, and I believe it's Mr. Gaines' property?

[1:06:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yeah.

[1:06:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: That's all it needs to say.

[1:06:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And within that report, you'll have a summary of everything that is in the bylaw enforcement file,

[1:06:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and it'll have a set, a couple of recommendations on your course of action.

[1:06:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And then the local trust committee would decide whether or not they want to pursue this matter, whether they want to put it into abeyance, or whether they just wish at this time to close the file.

[1:06:54] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:06:56] Voice 17: That sounds very effective.

[1:07:02] Voice 17: I move that we request staff present a report on the bylaw in fraction of the gains property

[1:07:16] Voice 17: property, um, to the LLC or they

[1:07:22] Voice 5: have the number there.

[1:07:23] Voice 5: There we go. So do you want, should we,

[1:07:38] Voice 17: would it be helpful to read the law numbers and section numbers or is that

[1:07:41] Voice 17: to be understood from?

[1:07:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's understood chair. I know which property we're referencing.

[1:07:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Now I've got the file number. I can send Lisa Millard the, uh,

[1:07:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the bylaw file number and she can enter that in the minutes.

[1:07:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Okay.

[1:07:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You

[1:07:56] Voice 2: know what island we're on, Warren?

[1:07:58] Voice 2: You did say Salspring Island for a moment.

[1:08:01] Voice 2: I thought, no, no, no, Saterna.

[1:08:03] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:08:04] Voice 17: So we have SA-BE-2023.1.

[1:08:11] Voice 3: All right.

[1:08:12] Voice 3: So, Lisa, if you can read that back so that we know this to the satisfaction of Mr. Dingman, we will get that resolution.

[1:08:26] Voice 8: Certainly, Chair, what I have is that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee request

[1:08:32] Voice 8: staff to provide a report on by-law file SABE202.3.1 gains.

[1:08:40] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:08:41] Voice 3: Does that work for you, Mr. Daniels?

[1:08:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yes, Chair, it does.

[1:08:44] Voice 3: Excellent.

[1:08:45] Voice 3: All right.

[1:08:45] Voice 3: So second, Trustee Boland?

[1:08:47] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:08:48] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:08:49] Voice 3: Any further discussion?

[1:08:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:08:51] Voice 3: That's helpful.

[1:08:52] Voice 3: All right.

[1:08:52] Voice 3: So call the motion.

[1:08:53] Voice 3: All in favor?

[1:08:55] Voice 15: In favor.

[1:08:55] Voice 15: have a report coming in the meantime we don't have to comply with this because we're getting

[1:09:01] Voice 15: short on our 90 days um

[1:09:03] Voice 17: i'm not sure i don't know that we can we say that or

[1:09:08] Voice 17: i think

[1:09:10] Voice 5: that's really good stuff yeah

[1:09:11] Voice 3: so we apparently have a 90 day period here

[1:09:14] Voice 3: how are we affecting that statement so

[1:09:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair as the local trust committee is actually does not

[1:09:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have a bend bylaw the only enforcement action that can be taken after that deadline is over

[1:09:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is for a staff report to go to the ltc requesting their consideration and action on the file

[1:09:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so we're already we're in that process that's what's going to happen and there's no need to

[1:09:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: be concerned about the 90-day deadline at this time thank you

[1:09:42] Voice 11: very much we really appreciate

[1:09:43] Voice 3: this guys yes we do all right okay

[1:09:47] Voice 14: great thank you all right yes

[1:09:53] Voice 3: we have the small ventures all right so if we can move on

[1:10:01] Voice 3: i'll get back to where we're supposed to be we have a community information meeting about our

[1:10:05] Voice 3: minor housing amendments covered

[1:10:07] Voice 5: some

[1:10:10] Voice 6: of it we do have some maps on the wall there that so uh

[1:10:15] Voice 6: i don't have a powerpoint or i presented a lot on zoning options and the housing toolkit at the last

[1:10:22] Voice 6: the bylaw that uh is in the staff report we will speak to later bylaw 235 uh based on the

[1:10:33] Voice 6: direction of the local trust committee to include cistern requirements everywhere on

[1:10:38] Voice 6: Saturn Island there's language in the bylaw that includes that and also an update of the

[1:10:47] Voice 6: mapping for secondary suites based on a newer version of provincial mapping so the left-hand

[1:10:53] Voice 6: map there on this on the left there has the new mapping and how that affects the

[1:11:00] Voice 6: zones. The middle map has the red properties that are changed by the new data to be parcels

[1:11:14] Voice 6: where a secondary suite could potentially be allowed based on that new data. And the

[1:11:19] Voice 6: third map is an update of the secondary suite map that exists now that shows where secondary

[1:11:29] Voice 6: area suites are not permitted and you'll see there are some changes to that map like some of all of

[1:11:35] Voice 6: this area is now potentially permitted if they amend the bylaws and all these large locks here

[1:11:43] Voice 6: and you'll see that very clearly East Point is still excluded from allowing secondary suites

[1:11:51] Voice 6: even though some of the parcels based on the new data show up in the new categories that were

[1:11:58] Voice 6: for me and we also did the same there's one parcel down in the strata corporation that we also omitted

[1:12:06] Voice 6: uh just another one outlying parcel that allowed us to produce all the other parcels

[1:12:12] Voice 6: in the strata would not and i uh have opened any questions on the maps or

[1:12:31] Voice 14: I'm really happy with the mapping that we had originally had to do that was done out

[1:12:40] Voice 14: of Simon Fraser and UBC with Dr. Dyer. I didn't very well follow the comments of the last

[1:12:48] Voice 14: meeting that we had as to who's mapping and what we're doing that this was the one of

[1:12:53] Voice 14: this issue i don't know i don't know how to substantiate that so

[1:12:57] Voice 6: just to clarify that that

[1:12:59] Voice 6: mapping is provincial data as well the new mapping data so both data sets were used there were

[1:13:06] Voice 6: different methodologies were used but they're both provincial data sets so the 2017 data set by

[1:13:12] Voice 6: dr allen uh was superseded provincially by this new data set i'm not saying that the new data set

[1:13:23] Voice 6: is better or more accurate or more precise that is uh what but they are both okay provincial

[1:13:31] Voice 6: and

[1:13:32] Voice 14: i understand what you're i understand what you're saying that they are both have some sort

[1:13:37] Voice 14: of approval what i'm saying is i'm uh conversant with the substantiation for the 2017 map and i'm

[1:13:45] Voice 14: not conversing with that and some pretty big decisions could be made um based on this map

[1:13:53] Voice 14: And I'm not happy with that.

[1:13:58] Voice 14: I have no

[1:13:59] Voice 6: ownership in the mapping or the direction of where we're at.

[1:14:01] Voice 6: I'm just clarifying.

[1:14:02] Voice 6: I'm

[1:14:03] Voice 14: taking your point and thank you.

[1:14:05] Voice 14: I found the last meeting that we had was quite puzzling.

[1:14:10] Voice 14: And now I have more clarity on it and I'm one person

[1:14:16] Voice 14: and I don't find that substantial enough to go forward with, at least

[1:14:27] Voice 14: mind you I'm not. I

[1:14:29] Voice 11: understand that there's

[1:14:30] Voice 14: fits and stuff with water.

[1:14:34] Voice 14: Yes, but yes, there's things down here you're talking about.

[1:14:38] Voice 14: You know, I don't know. I'm not a mapping person, but these seem to me to be quite ridiculous.

[1:14:47] Voice 6: These are excluded on the new map.

[1:14:49] Voice 6: So even though the

[1:14:50] Voice 14: new map, what did you base the changes on?

[1:14:53] Voice 14: And I'm not,

[1:14:55] Voice 7: I'm just cautioning you.

[1:14:56] Voice 7: No, no, no.

[1:14:56] Voice 7: I'm happy to explain.

[1:14:58] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:14:59] Voice 7: I'm not taking anything.

[1:15:00] Voice 7: Don't worry.

[1:15:00] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:15:01] Voice 7: So this

[1:15:03] Voice 6: data, the new data.

[1:15:06] Voice 4: So this is what came up with the map.

[1:15:08] Voice 6: So you see any parts of that now is completely in green.

[1:15:11] Voice 6: So I should have maybe had the old map.

[1:15:13] Voice 6: But the old map showed this all in yellow.

[1:15:15] Voice 6: So this is what came up with the map.

[1:15:15] Voice 6: and orange so all so based on the old mapping and the provision that if it's in yellow or orange

[1:15:21] Voice 6: it's not allowed a secondary sweep this whole area was excluded in in in the existing map

[1:15:31] Voice 6: so this new map now sees wherever there's a red it's because the previous map to this map has

[1:15:39] Voice 6: now change that whole parcel to where it's potentially allowed, just like all these other

[1:15:45] Voice 6: parcels where it's currently allowed, right? So the red that on this map only represents

[1:15:54] Voice 6: the change from the old data to the new data where the whole parcel goes from yellow to green.

[1:16:01] Voice 6: So these are yellow to green parcels. So you'll see all the parcels in red are now green in this

[1:16:06] Voice 6: is in this map, right?

[1:16:09] Voice 6: And then, so that is just showing 80 parcels.

[1:16:14] Voice 6: So what staff are recommending in the staff report

[1:16:17] Voice 6: is that of those 80 parcels,

[1:16:19] Voice 6: you don't allow these still, these 18.

[1:16:22] Voice 6: So that goes to 62.

[1:16:24] Voice 6: If you don't allow this, I guess you'd have a 61.

[1:16:28] Voice 6: And so then this map includes the 61 parcels,

[1:16:34] Voice 6: parcels all these other ones where now potentially you would allow a secondary suite and the staff

[1:16:43] Voice 6: are recommending that that's just the direction that we have been given from the ltc if now to the

[1:16:49] Voice 6: ltc to decide if they want to change the map to allow the secondary suites based on this

[1:16:56] Voice 6: given

[1:16:56] Voice 14: some of this water system, the

[1:16:59] Voice 6: water systems,

[1:17:00] Voice 15: which is this

[1:17:02] Voice 12: blue right in here.

[1:17:06] Voice 15: These are water

[1:17:07] Voice 12: systems, I think.

[1:17:10] Voice 7: Yeah, may

[1:17:15] Voice 2: I say something?

[1:17:17] Voice 16: Sure, go ahead.

[1:17:19] Voice 14: Yes, this is the time.

[1:17:23] Voice 15: That's the best.

[1:17:24] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:17:25] Voice 15: You know,

[1:17:26] Voice 15: farm is also.

[1:17:31] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:17:35] Voice 6: Show up in our data.

[1:17:37] Voice 6: This is.

[1:17:40] Voice 6: This is a registered district.

[1:17:42] Voice 6: district. Yeah, so that's why this is obviously now. But it's not an improvement district,

[1:17:56] Voice 6: you're just like three or four owners, whatever kind of buying into a system that's different

[1:18:02] Voice 6: than we never bought.

[1:18:03] Voice 6: I'm just saying this is this is an improvement district, which

[1:18:10] Voice 6: is actually like an interesting local

[1:18:12] Voice 15: companies because there are 30 users on the 30 and there's

[1:18:19] Voice 15: probably 30 users on the old.com yes so

[1:18:22] Voice 6: maybe then i'm learning always as i go so uh they're

[1:18:27] Voice 6: all quite far being that yeah so sorry my second is aren't allowed but

[1:18:36] Voice 12: they wouldn't allow anybody

[1:18:37] Voice 12: but

[1:18:37] Voice 7: it's

[1:18:39] Voice 6: kind of new anyways because they're currently not allowed and there's no

[1:18:43] Voice 6: change to a level okay

[1:18:46] Voice 14: so coming down to this map if you don't mind

[1:18:51] Voice 11: so so all of these are not allowed secondary suites correct

[1:18:58] Voice 16: okay

[1:18:59] Voice 14: so you're and this is

[1:19:03] Voice 14: what it helped with the parks and everything else in here so you're not um

[1:19:26] Voice 11: I

[1:19:28] Voice 16: think you

[1:19:29] Voice 2: made a good proposal, Brad, which was to flip them up.

[1:19:36] Voice 6: Yeah, we can get

[1:19:37] Voice 6: to that when we get to the staff report part.

[1:19:39] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:19:42] Voice 6: No,

[1:19:42] Voice 1: it's not easy to

[1:19:43] Voice 6: follow, I'm sure, sitting in.

[1:19:44] Voice 6: No,

[1:19:45] Voice 2: it's okay. I can follow because I really do.

[1:19:47] Voice 2: So

[1:19:47] Voice 6: you're not again, it's in there, so you're not too left out.

[1:19:53] Voice 14: And these are the

[1:19:54] Voice 11: parts I need to talk?

[1:19:57] Voice 7: Those are, is it training?

[1:20:01] Voice 7: Those

[1:20:01] Voice 4: are just right.

[1:20:02] Voice 4: What is this?

[1:20:03] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:20:04] Voice 5: That's right.

[1:20:05] Voice 5: I'm sure you've got to use that.

[1:20:07] Voice 7: Yes, sir.

[1:20:09] Voice 17: I'm recognizing the pilot.

[1:20:11] Voice 17: All of this may be a figure for those of you who

[1:20:14] Voice 7: can't see.

[1:20:15] Voice 7: So they're on the

[1:20:16] Voice 17: wall there, going through service, I won't distract you yet.

[1:20:23] Voice 15: Secondary suite, there, there, there, there, there. But if this subdivision goes through,

[1:20:28] Voice 15: um, more of these lots will be larger than the field.

[1:20:33] Voice 6: So this is, this is on the current map and it doesn't allow all these lots for other reasons.

[1:20:39] Voice 6: They don't change there.

[1:20:42] Voice 6: Right.

[1:20:43] Voice 6: So that means that they were already...

[1:20:45] Voice 6: so

[1:20:45] Voice 14: you don't know the rationale uh

[1:20:48] Voice 6: i don't know i mean well who

[1:20:51] Voice 14: checks the rationale

[1:20:52] Voice 14: okay i i think that's my major question the

[1:20:54] Voice 6: rationale would have been that the previous

[1:20:56] Voice 6: mapping would have shown that these are yellow and so they wouldn't have been allowed a secondary

[1:21:03] Voice 6: sweep based on the previous map so

[1:21:06] Voice 12: a major change

[1:21:07] Voice 14: in it yeah those

[1:21:08] Voice 6: two are

[1:21:10] Voice 15: allowed in the cottage

[1:21:20] Voice 6: So it works in that in 2017 your local trust committee would have said any lots in here

[1:21:26] Voice 6: that have yellow or orange or a lot of secondary suites wouldn't have considered cottages.

[1:21:32] Voice 6: And that's because of the water map?

[1:21:34] Voice 6: That's the new water map.

[1:21:38] Voice 6: The old water map is way more yellow, sort of pretty red, obviously.

[1:21:43] Voice 15: I do not understand that, because my house is located right there.

[1:21:53] Voice 15: There's 7,000 water wells there.

[1:21:58] Voice 15: There's

[1:21:58] Voice 6: two candy island ones over here.

[1:22:00] Voice 6: This is saltwater intrusion coming in.

[1:22:02] Voice 6: This is the risk of saltwater intrusion coming into that well.

[1:22:06] Voice 6: Well, it's not the, it's not the recharge.

[1:22:10] Voice 15: My wife has been growing down in the sewer,

[1:22:13] Voice 15: water garbage, doing hundreds and hundreds of gallons a day

[1:22:18] Voice 15: for 50 years, and it has never felt like it.

[1:22:22] Voice 15: So we do

[1:22:23] Voice 14: have a quick question.

[1:22:24] Voice 14: I guess, Brad, to make the most sense for me,

[1:22:28] Voice 14: I would like to see Diane balance,

[1:22:30] Voice 14: and then I would like to know some more of the rest now.

[1:22:33] Voice 14: Yeah, so

[1:22:35] Voice 6: the staff report in the agenda package, which you can actually look at here, has those

[1:22:40] Voice 6: maps.

[1:22:41] Voice 6: Thank

[1:22:41] Voice 12: you for letting me be part of the meeting.

[1:22:44] Voice 12: These

[1:22:45] Voice 6: meetings are nice in a way that they're a little more flexible this way.

[1:22:48] Voice 6: way. This is there's

[1:22:51] Voice 5: only a second there.

[1:23:04] Voice 6: Well, you can see that, like all of this is shaded the lighter

[1:23:08] Voice 6: colors, which would have precluded them can see now the

[1:23:12] Voice 15: parcels that

[1:23:12] Voice 6: are there are showing up in darker shade. And

[1:23:16] Voice 6: that's why they are potentially switched on. And then

[1:23:23] Voice 6: Yes, ma'am, so they'll start by talking to the person, and people will schedule in their

[1:23:27] Voice 6: schedule.

[1:23:29] Voice 14: That's much more helpful.

[1:23:32] Voice 3: Because

[1:23:33] Voice 14: it's radical, it's critical, right?

[1:23:35] Voice 14: It's quite difficult.

[1:23:41] Voice 7: Yeah, your OTC is

[1:23:42] Voice 6: directed to do this work, to

[1:23:44] Voice 6: make this up to the next OTC.

[1:23:46] Voice 6: So I hope

[1:23:47] Voice 3: to meet with you there.

[1:23:48] Voice 3: This is incredible.

[1:23:50] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:23:50] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:23:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:23:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:24:06] Voice 5: So, can

[1:24:07] Voice 14: I ask what, so your

[1:24:10] Voice 5: question was secondary, sorry.

[1:24:17] Voice 7: Take that.

[1:24:18] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:24:20] Voice 7: Go ahead, what's your question?

[1:24:22] Voice 7: Well,

[1:24:23] Voice 11: I mean, if they're adaptive parks, you'd be wrong.

[1:24:26] Voice 7: We're sophisticated.

[1:24:27] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:24:28] Voice 7: Could I quickly ask a question?

[1:24:30] Voice 15: Is a duplex a house with a secondary suite, or is a duplex a duplex?

[1:24:35] Voice 6: A duplex is a duplex.

[1:24:37] Voice 6: A secondary suite must be self-contained within the unit with its own entrance.

[1:24:42] Voice 12: That sounds like a duplex.

[1:24:44] Voice 15: That sounds a lot like a duplex.

[1:24:47] Voice 15: A duplex is one structure with two individual housing units within it, right?

[1:24:54] Voice 3: but isn't there a percentage thing it's like secondary speaking only be like 40

[1:24:58] Voice 3: of the house besides the house or something like that i would have to look at the bylaw

[1:25:03] Voice 3: that was

[1:25:05] Voice 14: my understanding of a secondary suite so i'm hearing

[1:25:07] Voice 14: you're talking about a language secondary to me is were you being silly

[1:25:12] Voice 14: right

[1:25:13] Voice 11: so

[1:25:17] Voice 14: secondary suite to me exists within an existing house

[1:25:21] Voice 14: Is that not correct?

[1:25:23] Voice 4: That's

[1:25:23] Voice 14: my understanding, yes.

[1:25:24] Voice 4: Right.

[1:25:24] Voice 4: So

[1:25:24] Voice 14: it would be like a basement in a standing house or the attic, some sort of thing like

[1:25:29] Voice 14: that.

[1:25:30] Voice 14: But

[1:25:31] Voice 3: it's self-contained.

[1:25:33] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:25:33] Voice 3: So basically…

[1:25:34] Voice 3: So it has

[1:25:34] Voice 14: kitchen and bathroom.

[1:25:35] Voice 3: Kitchen, bathroom, entrance.

[1:25:38] Voice 3: CRDs, I believe interpreting it, you have to have a separate water supply, separate

[1:25:43] Voice 3: electrical feed.

[1:25:45] Voice 3: It's actually a separate unit.

[1:25:48] Voice 14: So why are we going through this when I can hardly imagine that we're going to build

[1:25:53] Voice 14: these are for new builds, yes? Or

[1:25:56] Voice 3: we could renovate.

[1:26:00] Voice 3: And that's the one thing that the perspective I can raise, we did secondary sweeps

[1:26:06] Voice 3: like six or seven years ago. I know one that's been built. The uptake is not high on these.

[1:26:15] Voice 14: and so what is our reason for going through all of this i mean the big things are allowed um

[1:26:24] Voice 14: what is it affordable housing okay

[1:26:26] Voice 4: and

[1:26:27] Voice 14: we have um secondary suites in some of our like in wild

[1:26:31] Voice 14: harbor and other things like that which function really well and that we do rely on are we talking

[1:26:37] Voice 14: about building new affordable housing or are you talking about renovations in

[1:26:47] Voice 14: buildings that are already done?

[1:26:56] Voice 2: I hear what you said David but you know

[1:27:03] Voice 2: there is funding now from the CRD and other places to encourage the

[1:27:08] Voice 2: development of secondary suites and i think in terms of affordable housing um we get tangled up

[1:27:15] Voice 2: in in you know this catch 22 where i think we have to move forward on multiple fronts at the

[1:27:21] Voice 2: same time or else we will abandon certain things and then the next one will take forever and we'll

[1:27:28] Voice 2: be you know heading down a kind of a blind alley with only one option so um i'm really pleased with

[1:27:35] Voice 2: this map and the update of it i think the previous map um also possibly included areas that were

[1:27:43] Voice 2: actually moderately low and low it was a very broad brush this one is much better and there is

[1:27:51] Voice 2: information from the province about how to avoid saltwater intrusion when you drill a well and i

[1:27:58] Voice 2: think it's it's not you have to drill the well like they say a maximum distance from the coast

[1:28:04] Voice 2: and i can't find it right now but it's not you know 500 feet it's it's not lots for a domestic

[1:28:12] Voice 2: well but one thing i think that's confusing the map a bit perhaps is that all the water systems

[1:28:21] Voice 2: like the group of 30 the blackbird estates are excluded and i'm not sure that that's really

[1:28:27] Voice 2: really valid because they have regulations that they adhere to very strictly they're inspected

[1:28:35] Voice 2: they're tested they manage their system every bit as well as the crd system is managed

[1:28:41] Voice 2: and i think it should be up to the individual water systems to decide how many connections

[1:28:49] Voice 2: protections they want to allow and so for instance in true worthy road their strata

[1:28:57] Voice 2: regulations prohibit secondary suites so it doesn't really matter what we do and the others

[1:29:03] Voice 2: you know i i would argue in favor of considering that we allow them to make the decision themselves

[1:29:12] Voice 2: because they're not drilling wells next to the sea their wells are way inland it just happens

[1:29:18] Voice 2: that some of their property goes right down into the saltwater intrusion zone,

[1:29:24] Voice 2: but they don't have wells there.

[1:29:27] Voice 2: So that's something that I think we should consider.

[1:29:34] Voice 2: I don't know.

[1:29:36] Voice 2: That's about it for me for the moment.

[1:29:37] Voice 2: I like the map.

[1:29:38] Voice 2: Thanks for the work you've done.

[1:29:40] Voice 2: And I think just making it clear that the exclusion of the water systems

[1:29:46] Voice 2: is adding to the original saltwater intrusion risk

[1:29:51] Voice 2: might clarify some things.

[1:29:54] Voice 2: And the last thing is, indeed, Brad,

[1:29:56] Voice 2: you suggested reversing...

[1:30:00] Voice 2: map and showing the areas where it's allowed, rather than prohibited, might help people

[1:30:06] Voice 2: understand it a little better. So I would go with that. Thanks.

[1:30:12] Voice 17: Thank you, Dr. Vaughan. Anything you'd like to add?

[1:30:16] Voice 17: No, I think we will have a chance to speak to it during the second 15 in response to the staff

[1:30:28] Voice 17: for both set

[1:30:28] Voice 3: so any other questions on this is recently okay thank you very much

[1:30:40] Voice 16: thanks for the hard work

[1:30:45] Voice 16: that's not

[1:30:45] Voice 16: that's not i

[1:30:46] Voice 6: thought it is a substantial thing to accomplish

[1:30:50] Voice 6: you're taking credit for gis stuff really which i'm happy to do

[1:30:57] Voice 3: Okay, so 8.2, we have short-term vacation rentals policy.

[1:31:02] Voice 3: That's Warren Dingman to lead.

[1:31:05] Voice 3: All right, Mr. Dingman.

[1:31:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Good afternoon, Chair.

[1:31:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There was a staff report prepared and a policy document prepared.

[1:31:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Unfortunately, it did not get into the agenda items folder,

[1:31:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and so it is not, those documents are not before the LTC.

[1:31:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: see as i misspoke earlier calling saturn a salt spring it may have ended up in the salt spring

[1:31:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: file i've been

[1:31:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: quite found out where

[1:31:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it went but i can share my screen and actually show you the

[1:31:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: content if you wish of the policy document and the policy that's been written up for short-term

[1:31:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: vacation rentals would you like to see that shared it

[1:31:52] Voice 3: makes it a little bit more difficult

[1:31:53] Voice 3: both i guess it's best you can do this that you can do um whatever suggested maybe if you could

[1:31:59] Voice 3: email it to the ltc that would be great i think um mr chair we

[1:32:04] Voice 17: don't want to have a ability to show

[1:32:07] Voice 17: the audience the screen going here um i think um we have the benefit of some time here because

[1:32:17] Voice 17: so what's come up it's basically this line donation and the requirement that we change

[1:32:21] Voice 17: on bylaws in order to ideally receive the densities this sort of like job number one

[1:32:27] Voice 17: just displacing everything else and so in a sense what we can do if you're not not to

[1:32:33] Voice 17: disparage or diminish i'm sure the framework that went into it we could probably take this up in

[1:32:38] Voice 17: the next meeting um and then the idea being is that we would initiate at the appropriate time

[1:32:44] Voice 17: when we got the staff time to do this we would initiate a project charter and to basically

[1:32:51] Voice 17: modify our our line was at that point and we sort of kind of gave ourselves about a year's

[1:32:58] Voice 17: time frame of which to do this this this work in is not it's

[1:33:04] Voice 14: just a short-term vacation mental

[1:33:06] Voice 17: i yeah i mean now to that point the season is coming up and maybe we do have an

[1:33:11] Voice 17: urgency and i think but i i also know that there's a lot of priorities and we really and fortunately

[1:33:18] Voice 17: i'm going to indicate that as worthy as the others are we really do need to get on to modifying the

[1:33:25] Voice 17: characters to have this time limited offer of receiving the the densities from the halls

[1:33:31] Voice 17: property so i would say that it's quite comfortable in terms of our ability to do the work if we

[1:33:36] Voice 17: who received the presentation of the vaccine.

[1:33:38] Voice 17: So

[1:33:39] Voice 3: to be clear, Mr. Dingman,

[1:33:41] Voice 3: you're presenting a policy basically to be adopted,

[1:33:44] Voice 3: but would not be a project?

[1:33:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Yeah, this is not a, it's not a greater project.

[1:33:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's updating the Saturn Island Local Trust Committee's

[1:33:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: policies on enforcement.

[1:33:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The one doc, the original document was presented

[1:34:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for consideration.

[1:34:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There was a request for revisions

[1:34:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and to provide a policy on short-term vacation rentals.

[1:34:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So that work has been done.

[1:34:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And yes, this can be presented at the next meeting,

[1:34:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and then there will be an enforcement policy in place

[1:34:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: before the beginning of the tourist season,

[1:34:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: which can address any issues,

[1:34:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: especially regarding short-term vacation rentals.

[1:34:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So it's not urgent.

[1:34:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I apologize that you don't have it for you today.

[1:34:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It wasn't on the agenda, but the documents have been prepared,

[1:34:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and it can be presented at the next meeting.

[1:34:37] Voice 3: I think that would be best

[1:34:39] Voice 3: because that way the public would have a look at it.

[1:34:41] Voice 3: We can get the appropriate feedback from the community,

[1:34:43] Voice 3: the trustees can do it,

[1:34:45] Voice 3: and then we can hopefully adopt it at the next meeting.

[1:34:48] Voice 3: If you don't see there's urgency,

[1:34:50] Voice 3: I think that's the best way to proceed.

[1:34:53] Voice 17: Yeah, I think it works with our timeframe.

[1:34:55] Voice 17: It's no need to apologize more.

[1:34:57] Voice 17: That actually will work fine.

[1:35:00] Voice 17: I appreciate you doing the work

[1:35:02] Voice 17: and we look forward to digging into it next.

[1:35:05] Voice 17: meeting which is i think in april

[1:35:07] Voice 11: 24th yeah

[1:35:09] Voice 17: so that's well before the fourth season so that's

[1:35:11] Voice 17: a fair point he's going to be thinking about that okay well

[1:35:15] Voice 3: thank you unfortunately can't

[1:35:18] Voice 3: deal with it but uh we will deal with it

[1:35:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: okay chair thank

[1:35:23] Voice 3: you thank you very much thank you

[1:35:34] Voice 3: oh

[1:35:34] Voice 2: no it's fine and actually we'll be looking at

[1:35:37] Voice 2: all of this at the regional planning meeting so at the next meeting on saturn we'll have you know

[1:35:44] Voice 2: more support or whatever for this i think the key for us though and lee possibly spoke to this

[1:35:51] Voice 2: already is um that even though it'll come as a policy and the policy will be common to most

[1:35:58] Voice 2: islands we probably need to adopt it into the bylaw to make sure that especially that extra time

[1:36:06] Voice 2: time that we asked for notice of, you know, visit to a property, that that's really hard-coded into

[1:36:14] Voice 2: the bylaw at the moment. I think we're not the only ones that it's a little inconsistent around.

[1:36:20] Voice 2: So that would be our goal in the end. I think I'm right in saying that, Lee, aren't I?

[1:36:27] Voice 17: That's the ultimate goal, I think, for the policy that Marlon presented to us last time. And then

[1:36:33] Voice 17: as he right now we knew we needed to change what we currently have this specifically in

[1:36:39] Voice 17: regards to the vacation rentals which which uh uh staff and and have done and so yeah exactly

[1:36:47] Voice 17: so we can um we'll proceed once so that was the sort of i won't say missing piece because it was

[1:36:52] Voice 17: on the territory was a request we made for further work which has now been done and uh

[1:36:57] Voice 17: we'll review it at the next meeting excellent

[1:37:00] Voice 3: all right thank you very much so we're going down to

[1:37:05] Voice 3: item 10 page three of the agenda local trust committee at page three we're only two hours

[1:37:11] Voice 3: away uh local trust committee minutes dated december 7th 2024 for adoption do you have any

[1:37:19] Voice 3: corrections um

[1:37:22] Voice 17: no i want to thank the mentee court apologize that they were sent out for adoption

[1:37:26] Voice 17: option quite some time ago and I missed that email, well I saw the email but I didn't respond

[1:37:31] Voice 17: to it unfortunately in timely fashion so apologies for that so no I thought they were very well done

[1:37:37] Voice 17: and happy to adopt them now.

[1:37:39] Voice 3: All right so Nigella percent there's no concerns.

[1:37:43] Voice 2: Yeah I thought they

[1:37:45] Voice 2: were very good minutes by the way the the discussion the points captured the way the

[1:37:50] Voice 2: points were captured they were in the discussion it was a good record of how the conversation went

[1:37:56] Voice 2: so thank you it

[1:37:57] Voice 3: was a long meeting thank you very much lisa for all your hard work

[1:38:03] Voice 3: all righty so now we'll go with all action list uh page 12

[1:38:10] Voice 3: um and we've set this for information

[1:38:13] Voice 3: just for

[1:38:16] Voice 7: information things

[1:38:18] Voice 5: are more or less completed just a quick question

[1:38:38] Voice 17: would we at the time we would be basically coming back to any information we need for the

[1:38:45] Voice 17: the um short-term vacation rental policy at the next meeting yes

[1:38:51] Voice 17: perfect

[1:38:52] Voice 3: all right um so um moving forward uh item 13 we have um extensive correspondence

[1:39:04] Voice 3: on some right now where we saw water intrusion mapping um just received uh

[1:39:12] Voice 17: i i think the time

[1:39:14] Voice 17: yeah i appreciate her taking the time in her analysis and uh yeah i mean i think we can

[1:39:23] Voice 17: receive it and obviously we'll have to we will weigh it in our conversation but we're not

[1:39:31] Voice 17: closing to take us to the next meeting so is

[1:39:34] Voice 14: that uh is her correspondence available to the public

[1:39:38] Voice 5: that's that's right there that's

[1:39:40] Voice 14: what this is great so i'd certainly like to see

[1:39:56] Voice 3: so we have applications and referrals

[1:39:59] Voice 3: We have, thank goodness, this system we have got to get dealing with, it drives me crazy.

[1:40:11] Voice 3: PLDEP20240324.

[1:40:13] Voice 3: I'm going to butcher this and then skip with the staff report.

[1:40:19] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:40:20] Voice 6: So this was Planner Testimel's application, but Planner Testimel is leaving the building,

[1:40:29] Voice 6: This is for a development variance permit application to allow for an exceedance of

[1:40:38] Voice 6: maximum lot coverage on a single lot of 24.5%.

[1:40:44] Voice 6: The current lot coverage is 20%.

[1:40:47] Voice 6: These are for two subject lots currently on Cliffside Road and you are familiar with the

[1:40:54] Voice 6: the property as you approved a development permit for the deck at the last LTC meeting.

[1:41:04] Voice 6: The proposal by the applicants is to consolidate the two lots and the development variance

[1:41:09] Voice 6: permit would not come into effect until that lot is consolidated.

[1:41:13] Voice 6: And so they didn't, weren't able to consolidate the lots, if it was two lots, it would be

[1:41:20] Voice 6: two separate permits.

[1:41:21] Voice 6: So that permit will only apply when it becomes a consolidated lot, which they're working on.

[1:41:26] Voice 6: The applicants are online if there have been questions.

[1:41:29] Voice 6: The staff recommendation is to approve the permit as proposed.

[1:41:33] Voice 6: And the applicants have also discussed potentially transferring the wine or extra density that they would have if they consolidated the lot into your density reserve.

[1:41:47] Voice 6: So you might want to have that conversation with them as well.

[1:41:49] Voice 6: All that would require is for them to write a letter to the LTC expressing that they were willing to do that

[1:41:56] Voice 6: upon successful completion of log consolidation, and then we would just

[1:42:01] Voice 6: as you've got set up now in your CADR

[1:42:04] Voice 6: framework, we would just mark it as a 1 in the table, annotating where it came from, and we would make no

[1:42:12] Voice 6: zoning or OCP amendments to receive that decision.

[1:42:21] Voice 7: Yes,

[1:42:22] Voice 17: I thought that the report was thorough and informative and I'm certainly swayed by

[1:42:29] Voice 17: the fact that in that area having the permutable construction in essence meets the goals of

[1:42:36] Voice 17: coverage restriction for purposes of groundwater reduction and I think it's just an extremely fine

[1:42:43] Voice 17: mind bonus that the density is something that the applicants are, it sounds like, have considered

[1:42:51] Voice 17: and decided to donate into our community amenity density reserve. That's very, very welcome.

[1:43:01] Voice 17: Any

[1:43:02] Voice 3: questions for the app community?

[1:43:05] Voice 17: No, I

[1:43:06] Voice 3: thought they were very

[1:43:07] Voice 17: thorough, very much on target and spoke to the issues.

[1:43:15] Voice 17: Trustee Bourne?

[1:43:16] Voice 2: No, I just support what Lee said. It's a very thorough report and

[1:43:24] Voice 2: the design of the deck to allow water through. There were just certain things in that. The

[1:43:34] Voice 2: report was very thorough and I concur with the staff recommendation. Thanks.

[1:43:41] Voice 17: Does somebody want

[1:43:42] Voice 17: make a motion um could i just ask is there anything we need to do at this time uh in

[1:43:48] Voice 17: regard to density or that's the same thing

[1:43:50] Voice 6: you could pass a separate chair i think you could

[1:43:53] Voice 6: pass a separate motion that requested this little this ltc uh request that the uh applicant provide

[1:44:03] Voice 6: in writing or a letter uh expressing their willingness to donate the density

[1:44:09] Voice 6: of all successful completions or something like that?

[1:44:13] Voice 6: And you might wanna ask them for any comments

[1:44:15] Voice 6: they have on their application or anything.

[1:44:17] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:44:18] Voice 3: So for the applicant, you understand that the request

[1:44:22] Voice 3: or the motion pending for the donation of the density,

[1:44:28] Voice 3: any concerns with that or it sounds like

[1:44:32] Voice 3: that's already been offered up?

[1:44:36] Voice 1: We fully understand that this is conditional.

[1:44:39] Voice 1: we actually have just received

[1:44:41] Voice 1: from the Ministry of Transportation

[1:44:44] Voice 1: just a proof

[1:44:45] Voice 1: I wouldn't say approval but

[1:44:47] Voice 1: confirmation that the land

[1:44:49] Voice 1: consolidation can go ahead

[1:44:51] Voice 1: in our situation

[1:44:53] Voice 1: both pieces of land are owned by the

[1:44:55] Voice 1: same person hence

[1:44:57] Voice 1: we're exception to land

[1:44:59] Voice 1: regulations and we can go without

[1:45:01] Voice 1: any other

[1:45:04] Voice 1: approvals from any other jurisdiction

[1:45:05] Voice 1: just proceed with the land consolidation

[1:45:07] Voice 1: I believe also

[1:45:09] Voice 1: So we have, at least not in the letter form, but in the email form, confirmation from the owner that the extra density, they would more than willingly, they would love to provide to the Island Trust.

[1:45:25] Voice 1: us. They're long-time island owners. They live on an island, and they're very much tied into

[1:45:37] Voice 1: community, and they feel that that's going to be a great contribution.

[1:45:42] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[1:45:43] Voice 3: Yes, well, we

[1:45:46] Voice 17: certainly will formally thank the applicant and the donor at the appropriate time,

[1:45:53] Voice 17: it's a very welcome move and we're very appreciative so do we want to first

[1:46:01] what pages

[1:46:09] Voice 2: the um the motion on brad

[1:46:14] Voice 17: yeah i have it here now that i'll leave that list to turn on all the trust to me

[1:46:20] Voice 17: made. Approval issuance of development variance permit PLDVP20240324 NELC.

[1:46:31] Voice 3: Seconded, Trustee Baldwin? Seconded.

[1:46:34] Voice 3: Okay, so that's seconded. Any other discussion?

[1:46:37] Voice 3: Call the question, one favor? That carries.

[1:46:41] Voice 17: And then I think this moment might be a little

[1:46:44] Voice 17: motion is a little more on the fly always um i guess um i did the announcement put this um

[1:46:56] Voice 17: we would request that the applicant um know their intention to donate the uh remaining or the

[1:47:05] Voice 17: you call it surplus density i might not be the right word about the surplus density from there

[1:47:10] Voice 17: watch one of their um uh joining properties to the union saturn island community

[1:47:16] Voice 17: amenity density reserve does that work for you

[1:47:22] Voice 2: the

[1:47:22] Voice 3: saturn

[1:47:31] Voice 6: island local trust committee requests that the property owner provided writing an

[1:47:42] Voice 6: agreement to transfer the additional density upon lot consolidation that

[1:47:51] Voice 17: had a nicer link

[1:47:52] Voice 17: so

[1:47:53] Voice 3: at least you've got that and that's

[1:48:01] Voice 8: confirmed chair i'd just like to know if the

[1:48:04] Voice 8: version that the planner gave should also include that they were additional densities are being um

[1:48:12] Voice 8: um uh going to the um amenity bank amenity reserve sure

[1:48:17] Voice 6: yes that would be good yeah please

[1:48:18] Voice 6: thank you the community amenity density reserve

[1:48:24] Voice 6: much directly to me

[1:48:28] Voice 2: yes just

[1:48:29] Voice 17: a quick point to the applicant and the property owner we today are hoping to initiate a

[1:48:36] Voice 17: project where we actually broaden the uses of the density to which the densities can be put to

[1:48:43] Voice 17: currently the amenity density reserve speaks to um conservation projects and we would like to

[1:48:51] Voice 17: or i would like to propose to the ltc that we actually put wording in that would allow us to

[1:48:58] Voice 17: to use those densities for housing purposes,

[1:49:02] Voice 17: be it for affordable and ecologically sound.

[1:49:07] Voice 17: You'll hear my question for that

[1:49:08] Voice 17: back in front of the BC Parks Foundation.

[1:49:11] Voice 17: So the density could actually do an awful lot of good

[1:49:14] Voice 17: and be very effective in combined

[1:49:17] Voice 17: with some of the others in the community.

[1:49:18] Voice 17: So again, our sincere thanks to the applicant

[1:49:21] Voice 17: and the property owners for making that donation.

[1:49:25] Voice 3: Excellent.

[1:49:25] Voice 3: Excellent. All right, so it's been moved to second. Call question, all in favor?

[1:49:32] Voice 3: All right, so you're on your way, thank you very much.

[1:49:38] Voice 3: All right, so next we have 14.2, North of Pender Island, local trust committee referral for draft VAWA 235.

[1:49:47] Voice 3: I really hope we have one of these and we can have their interest affected for one of these.

[1:49:53] Voice 3: So that's page 76 on the agenda.

[1:49:57] Voice 5: Um, I need a motion that our interests are unaffected with the intent, so so it would

[1:50:15] Voice 3: be basically the north vendor.

[1:50:17] Voice 3: I don't know the trust.

[1:50:17] Voice 3: We're going to be there by 2 to 25.

[1:50:20] Voice 3: Your interest is unaffected.

[1:50:23] Voice 3: Uh, yes, I will

[1:50:24] Voice 17: move that, uh, north and I don't know the test area bylaw another, uh,

[1:50:33] Voice 17: Uh, two, three, five, um, um,

[1:50:40] Voice 5: I should say that,

[1:50:43] Voice 17: um, that are interested in the first

[1:50:49] Voice 17: committee interests are unaffected by bylaw two 35 North tender Island accident.

[1:50:56] Voice 17: All right.

[1:50:56] Voice 3: Trustee Bowen seconded.

[1:51:01] Voice 5: Oh, you're muted.

[1:51:01] Voice 5: Just.

[1:51:08] Voice 2: Sorry.

[1:51:09] Voice 2: Yes.

[1:51:09] Voice 2: Seconded.

[1:51:10] Voice 2: and yeah all

[1:51:12] Voice 3: right that carries yeah

[1:51:15] Voice 2: i have a question though um about this um so

[1:51:22] Voice 2: um i believe at the time when some trees were removed on pender there was an issue to do with

[1:51:30] Voice 2: the fact that um that it couldn't be enforced is that right or um i'm not really sure like what

[1:51:42] Voice 2: What was wrong with, at the time, that has been fixed now?

[1:51:47] Voice 6: Perfect.

[1:51:48] Voice 6: I

[1:51:48] Voice 3: would

[1:51:50] Voice 6: say that's more of a misunderstanding and a miscommunication

[1:51:53] Voice 6: than an actual ability to enforce the particular file you're talking about.

[1:52:00] Voice 6: Property owners remove trees in a raptor area without a development permit,

[1:52:05] Voice 6: and so it was a situation where we were having to apply a permit process

[1:52:11] Voice 6: retroactively which makes it a lot more complicated uh and there are some questions around that but uh

[1:52:18] Voice 6: but uh yeah that i would say what

[1:52:21] Voice 14: does that mean which

[1:52:22] Voice 6: which

[1:52:23] Voice 14: what you just said i don't understand

[1:52:25] Voice 14: the belgian firm area i mean we have several on saturn yeah

[1:52:28] Voice 6: so you have the bluffs and you have

[1:52:30] Voice 6: the creek development permit areas on north pender island there are raptor nests trees that are

[1:52:37] Voice 6: identified with 30 to 50 meter perimeters around the tree where you would require a development

[1:52:45] Voice 6: permit to develop a house or a cottage or put a driveway in the file that she's referring to

[1:52:53] Voice 6: the property owners may or may not have been aware if it was a development permit

[1:52:58] Voice 6: area or not but they went ahead and did a whole bunch of clearing in that area

[1:53:01] Voice 6: So

[1:53:02] Voice 12: they cut the trees down.

[1:53:04] Voice 6: Before coming to the local trust committee with a permit plan based on the guidelines of the development permit requirements and seeking permission,

[1:53:15] Voice 6: it was more like a restoration mitigation permit that was approved rather than if they'd come at the forehand,

[1:53:26] Voice 6: The RP Bio would have assessed the area and probably wouldn't have let them develop as much or any of the tree removal that they did subsequently.

[1:53:35] Voice 6: Yes,

[1:53:36] Voice 3: but they didn't actually remove the tree equestrially disturbed area around it.

[1:53:42] Voice 6: That's right. Which

[1:53:43] Voice 13: are just as critical as the nest trees. So they're required to repair that?

[1:53:47] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:53:48] Voice 6: so they've been then issued a permit that has a whole bunch of conditions around, you know, replanting, removal of roadway, bedway, and so on.

[1:54:00] Voice 6: I

[1:54:01] Voice 2: think the other issue was something to do with the fact that

[1:54:05] Voice 2: some of the trees that were identified weren't in use anymore

[1:54:09] Voice 2: and there were other trees that, you know, that mapping hadn't been updated

[1:54:13] Voice 2: for a while. So, but anyway, let's move on. I think it was

[1:54:16] Voice 2: sorted out in the end and it sort of works.

[1:54:21] Voice 2: So, thanks.

[1:54:23] Voice 4: Thanks for answering

[1:54:24] Voice 2: the questions.

[1:54:26] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:54:28] Voice 3: All right.

[1:54:29] Voice 3: So now on to 15, column 879, 15.1, Miner's County Management Project Review, staff report

[1:54:36] Voice 3: and cash.

[1:54:38] Voice 3: Miner's there.

[1:54:39] Voice 6: So it's been a bit of time on this already, I think in the Town Hall and then CIM talking

[1:54:44] Voice 6: about this.

[1:54:44] Voice 6: But we have a staff report here.

[1:54:47] Voice 6: So bringing back by-law number 235, seeking direction from the LTC to receive the by-law

[1:54:54] Voice 6: and to initiate referrals of the draft bylaw. Sometimes you're given first reading and then

[1:55:01] Voice 6: sending out for referral first but I think it's a better approach to have a draft bylaw and send

[1:55:05] Voice 6: that for referrals. Particularly in this case as your your bylaw changes with changing your

[1:55:13] Voice 6: cistern requirement and your secondary suites could have some pretty real impacts. And then

[1:55:20] Voice 6: And then the second recommendation is, you've spent quite a bit of time talking about that

[1:55:31] Voice 6: third aspect of multifamily residential zoning last year, we talked a lot about more flexible

[1:55:37] Voice 6: approaches to zoning and broadening that there is the housing toolkit, staff are proposing

[1:55:43] Voice 6: that we bring back some options, some recommendations and direction to LTC to try to harness some

[1:55:50] Voice 6: of that work and give some direction for it and i'm also hearing from potentially

[1:55:56] Voice 6: trustee middleton to add something to that

[1:56:01] Voice 6: uh yeah i think i'll pass it back to you there sharon you have your report there

[1:56:05] Voice 6: uh it is clear that uh uh east point is not included

[1:56:12] Voice 6: but i think we've talked a lot about this already so

[1:56:16] just just for clarification in

[1:56:19] Voice 16: my apologies if i'm just for my own inability to process everything

[1:56:24] Voice 16: um we we've got some new hard data which seemed to have freed up 61 lots or 61

[1:56:34] Voice 16: properties that would now um allow for secondary suites um and i'm but there's also an idea that

[1:56:44] Voice 16: i believe to require water catchment on all on all properties and i'm just trying to find the wording

[1:56:52] Voice 16: for that second is that contained in this draft bylaw change number 143 or where does that one

[1:56:59] Voice 16: just mechanically fit so the requirement that they're all that there's this sister

[1:57:07] Voice 16: catchment is that somewhere in this wording

[1:57:10] Voice 6: of the bylaw move draft bylaw 143 absolutely

[1:57:13] Voice 6: so the actual bylaw describes only in the east point management area by removing the wording in

[1:57:20] Voice 6: the east point management area then it's recorded everywhere okay so bottom

[1:57:24] Voice 16: one one four graph

[1:57:25] Voice 16: bylaw change one four three yeah where effectively we do two things it would free up 61 more lots

[1:57:33] Voice 16: where people if they want to build a secondary sleep they now have one it then it also then

[1:57:39] Voice 16: and requires catchment of X gallons

[1:57:44] Voice 16: for any new development on Saturn, period, full stop.

[1:57:49] Voice 16: Is that if I understood?

[1:57:51] Voice 16: You've nailed it.

[1:57:52] Voice 16: Thank you.

[1:57:52] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:57:53] Voice 16: OK.

[1:57:53] Voice 16: Can I ask a follow-up question?

[1:57:56] Voice 16: We're going to be out of time.

[1:58:01] Voice 16: This, I understand the logic saying there are safe zones

[1:58:06] Voice 16: and not-so-safe zones.

[1:58:07] Voice 16: and where you were in a not-so-safe zone

[1:58:10] Voice 16: in terms of solubility and vulnerability

[1:58:14] Voice 16: or it's a good idea.

[1:58:19] Voice 16: I would have thought that the catchment requirement

[1:58:23] Voice 16: would have been sort of something

[1:58:26] Voice 16: that might facilitate additional lots

[1:58:30] Voice 16: that are currently in sort of the no-go zone

[1:58:33] Voice 16: in lieu of drilling or in lieu of whatever.

[1:58:36] Voice 16: And I'm just trying to understand the logic behind saying, notwithstanding our catchment,

[1:58:45] Voice 16: we still do not want to see secondary suites in some of these restricted areas.

[1:58:52] Voice 16: Why would we not be comfortable putting in secondary suites, provided there is catchment?

[1:59:04] Voice 16: Are we being doubly safe?

[1:59:06] Voice 16: Or are we being, I'm just trying to get it behind the absolute words and say, what's

[1:59:13] Voice 3: the logic here?

[1:59:15] Voice 3: So, Trustee Bowman, do you want to sort of fill in the blank?

[1:59:19] Voice 2: I have kind of the same question.

[1:59:22] Voice 2: I like the

[1:59:22] Voice 16: approach.

[1:59:24] Voice 2: I don't know what you've done.

[1:59:25] Voice 16: I don't feel so bad.

[1:59:26] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:59:27] Voice 16: All right.

[1:59:28] Voice 16: Trustee Mill, what's it in

[1:59:29] Voice 17: the end state?

[1:59:31] Voice 17: I guess, I mean, it's, I think, a valid observation.

[1:59:35] Voice 17: I don't think it gets back to the comments earlier that there's some caution in the professional

[1:59:46] Voice 17: community, I guess, in regard to the blinded statement, letting green water catch the bees

[1:59:54] Voice 17: for all purposes.

[1:59:56] Voice 17: And so there's obviously therefore a great deal of...

[2:00:00] Voice 17: interested in the viability of groundwater because we're not going to get all in on rainwater

[2:00:06] Voice 17: capture. Now, what I'm proposing, I think, and it may be an untenable goal, and I was

[2:00:17] Voice 17: going to talk about this earlier, is that if we go to the next stage and basically really

[2:00:22] Voice 17: firm up the use of rainwater capture as part of a water source, do the work with the ministry

[2:00:29] Voice 17: and the health authority to basically make them recognize our statements and our authority in that

[2:00:36] Voice 17: area. I then agree we actually de-emphasize what the situation is with the groundwater because

[2:00:44] Voice 17: we're actually then advocating or promoting that that not be used, that actually groundwater

[2:00:48] Voice 17: can't be used for all residential future residential purposes. But we're not there yet

[2:00:54] Voice 17: that hence this mapping and some of the comments

[2:00:56] Voice 17: and your observations.

[2:00:58] Voice 17: So I guess what I'm saying is at the next meeting,

[2:01:03] Voice 17: we've got to unthread this and decide what is our way forward

[2:01:08] Voice 17: through this contradiction that you've highlighted.

[2:01:12] Voice 17: Or do we let the contradiction stand

[2:01:14] Voice 17: and take the win when we can with the secondary suites?

[2:01:18] Voice 17: My inclination is to try to provide the further guidance

[2:01:21] Voice 17: that the planner asked for in the staff report um in terms of being quite specific in terms of what

[2:01:30] Voice 17: our next step is here in regard right water catchment and its reference in in firewalls

[2:01:37] Voice 17: going forwards like

[2:01:42] Voice 3: they're just a hands-on because this we shouldn't really be dealing

[2:01:45] Voice 3: with the community information part of me but we're starting so let's first

[2:01:50] Voice 14: we want to put

[2:01:53] Voice 14: through it in front of all this of 61 densities being opened up for secondary suites we aren't

[2:01:58] Voice 14: there yet so please be mindful of your language and the second thing is whether or not we accept

[2:02:05] Voice 14: this mapping i would like to see diana allen's map on this and the third thing is water catchment

[2:02:12] Voice 14: and water usage in a household we're looking at preserve and protect so that doesn't if you have

[2:02:20] Voice 14: a secondary pass on a lot. You're talking about roadways. What does that do for accessory

[2:02:28] Voice 14: buildings? How does that get counted? You're talking about lot and land coverage. And those

[2:02:35] Voice 14: are making a real difference as to how heavily and densely an area is used. The other thing that

[2:02:43] Voice 14: has to do with is neighbors. And you're essentially putting another house in an area, right?

[2:02:49] Voice 14: well uh we have we've stated what we've been doing a lot so you're adding secondary suites how

[2:02:58] Voice 14: quite how does that work you're adding an individual half well

[2:03:05] Voice 3: because because

[2:03:06] Voice 3: by definition secondary suites contain within the four walls correct

[2:03:10] Voice 6: so the primary and it's

[2:03:12] Voice 6: also contained within one so uh from

[2:03:16] Voice 14: the original house

[2:03:17] Voice 6: so a duplex is two titles so it has to be

[2:03:21] Voice 6: on the same titles okay

[2:03:24] Voice 14: so we so that's finished that so it has to be part of the house as it's

[2:03:27] Voice 14: already constructed my understanding no it

[2:03:30] Voice 6: has to be contained within the four walls of the house so

[2:03:33] Voice 6: you could put if you had your two-story little square house you could put in a renovation and

[2:03:39] Voice 6: build a 40 maximum secondary suite attached to it because it would still be the four walls

[2:03:46] Voice 6: and and you just need a door and to follow the other few okay

[2:03:50] Voice 14: so you're making a much bigger

[2:03:51] Voice 14: house that's that's how you're going to accomplish this i i know what you're saying

[2:03:57] Voice 6: or

[2:03:57] Voice 14: you can go sideways or you can dig a pit in the ground right

[2:04:03] Voice 6: where you can build an existing

[2:04:04] Voice 6: existing square footage you could you could take your 2000 square foot house and renovate

[2:04:10] Voice 6: and put a 700 square foot secondary suite in the basement with its own door

[2:04:17] Voice 5: so the trustable

[2:04:18] Voice 5: one's got her hand up

[2:04:22] Voice 2: yeah i actually have my hand up so the secondary

[2:04:27] Voice 2: suite issue i mean it's it's in the bylaw and it's fairly clear about how it would be um defined

[2:04:33] Voice 2: find um i forget what page it's on i had it open a moment ago but uh to come back to the issue of

[2:04:40] Voice 2: the um you know imposing the need for cisterns everywhere i am very reluctant to do that given

[2:04:48] Voice 2: that we also we can't um figure out how to um not require a well as well in some instances um

[2:05:01] Voice 2: You know, I just find that that's that's too much of an imposition because there are places where there is so much water coming out of a well that, you know, the idea of requiring rainwater catchment is ridiculous.

[2:05:15] Voice 2: And other places I know out at East Point, you know, there are new houses built with only rainwater catchment.

[2:05:22] Voice 2: So we have to make it possible for rainwater catchment to be the source of potable water.

[2:05:29] Voice 2: and we have to figure that out and i also think that i really like the new map with the saltwater

[2:05:38] Voice 2: intrusion it tells us where you know ideally we should not be drilling wells um but i think this

[2:05:46] Voice 2: is kind of a very complex jigsaw and we should figure out other pieces of it before we um adopt

[2:05:55] Voice 2: adopt any single standalone item because there's a risk that we may have we may create something

[2:06:03] Voice 2: that's more complicated that we have to untangle so I think this is a great piece of work and

[2:06:09] Voice 2: we should pause and have William come to the next meeting and you know really take us through

[2:06:17] Voice 2: how we could possibly look at rainwater catchment and making it happen

[2:06:23] Voice 2: them and then that would be the next step in putting this together and that's all for me

[2:06:31] Voice 2: thanks but

[2:06:32] Voice 3: i think part of the committee of platter smith of doing the earlier throws is

[2:06:37] Voice 3: to get that value feedback um before proceeding that correct through

[2:06:45] Voice 6: the chair i think that

[2:06:47] Voice 6: that. I see your rationale in wanting to pause and see how all of these things stumble over

[2:06:55] Voice 6: each other. I don't see rainwater, I don't see, I see working on standards for rainwater

[2:07:07] Voice 6: catchment and potable water supply to broaden that. Developing standards for potable water

[2:07:13] Voice 6: supply within your by-law is a separate project it can't be tied to your housing amendments

[2:07:18] Voice 6: product it's too big and it's it's a different topic it's it's subdivision regulation around

[2:07:28] Voice 6: water uh up to now i mean in terms of a sister in peace it's my perspective that what i where

[2:07:38] Voice 6: where I thought you were trying to go up to now

[2:07:41] Voice 6: is to apply precautionary principle of climate change

[2:07:46] Voice 6: and the future value of requiring that every lot

[2:07:49] Voice 6: has cisterns so that at some point

[2:07:51] Voice 6: when there's no groundwater left to draw up,

[2:07:53] Voice 6: those properties are still protected

[2:07:56] Voice 6: and can still survive and thrive.

[2:07:58] Voice 6: That was my understanding of where we were heading.

[2:08:03] Voice 6: and so i see value in having a cistern on every parcel given where we're going with climate change

[2:08:10] Voice 6: and the already known challenges of water supply on these islands uh as a broad and i think other

[2:08:18] Voice 6: island areas are looking at the same getting away from these these these areas that they

[2:08:24] Voice 6: determined to be water management areas like on galliana which are kind of arbitrarily drawn up

[2:08:30] Voice 6: and just having if you're putting in something new you need a cistern uh what you could do i guess is

[2:08:41] Voice 6: put all of this work on pause until you get to a project on on uh rainwater harvest or you could

[2:08:52] Voice 6: stop this project and start a project on rainwater standards and move this into that project

[2:09:02] Voice 6: it's not around housing but i mean it's a bit of a stretch so have your sister in considerations

[2:09:09] Voice 6: uh and even your or your secondary suites go based on what data to apply you could have all

[2:09:15] Voice 6: of that as part of that round but those are i think where your options are

[2:09:20] Voice 7: mr roberts um no

[2:09:40] Voice 6: Thanks

[2:09:40] Voice 14: for talking about the rationale for this and the history of it and where you thought it

[2:09:47] Voice 14: was going and what we what you were trying to answer but now i have i was so lost at the last

[2:09:55] Voice 14: meeting i didn't understand how we got housing into water peft and then the basis for it and

[2:10:00] Voice 14: then have what data and how we were going to substantiate um some pretty major changes

[2:10:05] Voice 14: now i have a better idea trustee

[2:10:10] Voice 5: morland uh

[2:10:13] Voice 2: yeah i i think the issue is that we're kind of back to

[2:10:18] Voice 2: a front about it yes i think we should encourage water catchment and in fact out at east point

[2:10:24] Voice 2: because it was critical um imposing it was a really good idea and uh but i think the issue

[2:10:33] Voice 2: is not about imposing water catchment it's the as well what we're trying to do is say let's remove

[2:10:40] Voice 2: move the mandated requirement to have a well like let's see if we can give people a choice

[2:10:47] Voice 2: so you say yes if you want to go with water catchment as john gains has proposed then it

[2:10:55] Voice 2: is a viable thing which will be allowed and you will not be required to draw drill a well as well

[2:11:01] Voice 2: so it's an extra step in that let's get everybody on board with water catchment at the moment you

[2:11:09] Voice 2: You know, we're trying to straddle something and imposing it is quite a cost on addition in addition to drilling a well.

[2:11:19] Voice 2: And, you know, there are some places where unless you're it's a new build and you can hide the cistern under the deck, it's you know, there's not a lot of room and it's quite, you know, not exactly aesthetically pleasing in some instances.

[2:11:36] Voice 2: but anyway my view is that it's not about not imposing the need for a cistern it's more about

[2:11:43] Voice 2: making it a full solution as an option um yeah and i i hear what you're saying brad i think

[2:11:52] Voice 2: that's a really good suggestion to kind of pause just park that piece and move to looking at how

[2:12:00] Voice 2: How can we make rainwater as a potable water supply a viable option?

[2:12:07] Voice 2: And by the way, I had a question.

[2:12:10] Voice 2: Maybe you explained it before.

[2:12:12] Voice 2: Why are we now calling it fresh water?

[2:12:15] Voice 2: What was that change in the language about?

[2:12:18] Voice 2: Do you know what the background is to that?

[2:12:21] Voice 6: It's just a broader term than rainwater, which is very specific.

[2:12:26] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:12:27] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:12:27] Voice 2: Fresh

[2:12:28] Voice 6: water could be supplied in other ways than rainwater, I think, is the presumption.

[2:12:35] Voice 6: So rainwater would be fresh water.

[2:12:39] Voice 6: Rainwater would be a type of fresh water, but there's more than one type of fresh water.

[2:12:43] Voice 6: So, again, just to my view around the value of cisterns, not only as an only water source,

[2:12:58] Voice 6: but also in this changing climate, that they are a backstop to support their groundwater

[2:13:09] Voice 6: water use and in fact a lot of people have their groundwater uh trickle discharging into their

[2:13:16] Voice 6: cisterns so that's so that's a that's a rationale for changing it from rainwater collection to

[2:13:23] Voice 6: freshwater collection like cisterns can also

[2:13:26] Voice 6: be used to capture groundwater in abundant times to

[2:13:30] Voice 6: be used when groundwater is less abundant so in winter time you can capture your groundwater

[2:13:36] Voice 6: water in cisterns and use it in summertime so um yeah yeah that would be so that's why

[2:13:45] Voice 6: on this point

[2:13:46] Voice 6: you're required yeah because there's a lot of groundwater you're still there

[2:13:51] Voice 6: i

[2:13:52] Voice 2: think uh there's a difference also i'll just say something briefly and then i'll stop because

[2:13:59] Voice 2: i i think there's a difference you know if you have a property for a long time and you drilled

[2:14:05] Voice 2: well a long time ago and then you think oh you know what like in our instance i've just built

[2:14:11] Voice 2: a new garage i've got a new roof i'll put in rainwater collection so you know over a period

[2:14:16] Voice 2: of time you might transition and the investment in the rainwater collection is just something

[2:14:23] Voice 2: you do as you upgrade but i look at if you were building a new property or really renovating an

[2:14:30] Voice 2: old property then you should have just a clean choice do i invest in the whole mechanism of

[2:14:38] Voice 2: drilling a well or do i invest in rainwater catchment um you know existing properties and

[2:14:45] Voice 2: topping it up with rainwater and and topping up the rainwater with the sip system on your well

[2:14:51] Voice 2: those are for older properties over a longer period of time that's just an opinion there's

[2:14:58] Voice 2: It's just a thought to throw into the mix.

[2:15:00] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:15:02] Voice 3: Thank you, Dr. Bowman.

[2:15:05] Voice 3: The tour is a place to get to.

[2:15:09] Voice 3: Well, if rainwater is going to become a thing,

[2:15:13] Voice 3: what I would like to see for customers of mine

[2:15:16] Voice 3: is that maybe I should just develop a plan

[2:15:19] that this

[2:15:19] Voice 3: is a rainwater capture system

[2:15:22] and

[2:15:22] Voice 3: that it's a standard minimal design

[2:15:26] Voice 3: that they come up with.

[2:15:27] Voice 3: is right now i'm building a house for a brother and a sister and they both have to pay a board

[2:15:33] Voice 3: bearer ten thousand dollars each design the same water system and the same but by the same guy

[2:15:40] Voice 3: so that means another 60 lots of cliffside that's another six hundred thousand dollars that he gets

[2:15:47] Voice 3: to collect when we just come up with one thing for design everybody gets to follow up i've already

[2:15:52] Voice 3: talked to Paul Brent from CRD. He says, or Baird says, that's not the way it works.

[2:16:00] Voice 3: And so

[2:16:01] Voice 3: it's a thing, it's mandatory for the flight crew to be on the side. Everybody

[2:16:11] follows it. And then we can cut down on it. It cost us

[2:16:15] Voice 3: $40,000 for the equipment, $10,000

[2:16:17] Voice 3: dollars for the design, over $50,000 worth of rainwater caching, and brings you back to the housing business. If the housing is on areas where there is no

[2:16:32] Voice 3: water intrusion, and there is good water, why would we need a sister? That's my question.

[2:16:39] Voice 3: So that wind farm of Desiree, that's kind of from Sierra Leone?

[2:16:45] Voice 3: I'm building wires for any more attachment because it's all archery. So we need to lean a little bit more on the retrofit for that kind of design because they don't have to accept it.

[2:16:58] Voice 15: And there is another issue and you know you can think of thousands and it's like something doesn't work.

[2:17:05] Voice 15: But I have a bit of a problem with the well water and catchment water.

[2:17:13] Voice 15: If you're a gardener and you want to catch water in the water in your garden, that's great.

[2:17:18] Voice 15: It doesn't have to be potable.

[2:17:19] Voice 15: And if it has to be a potable system and it's working alongside a groundwater system, you're not going to need the catchment water in the winter.

[2:17:31] Voice 15: you're going to be drawing out of the ground water because your levels will probably be higher

[2:17:35] Voice 15: and it'll be adequate but come spring you'll be storing that water all winter it's not going to

[2:17:41] Voice 15: be very easy to make it potable because it's become basically stagnant and so there there's

[2:17:50] Voice 9: an

[2:17:50] Voice 15: area there where the two may not work terribly well together and i'm no expert but experience

[2:17:58] Voice 15: tells me that that could be the case.

[2:18:01] Voice 15: I

[2:18:01] Voice 3: know on other islands, the intent of the rainwater catchment, or the water catchment,

[2:18:09] Voice 3: is not necessarily for pot leaves, it would be for gardening, toilet flushing, all that.

[2:18:15] Voice 3: So it's basically to reduce the impact on the groundwater.

[2:18:20] Voice 3: So it's not necessarily, it would have to be to the standard of potable, it's just,

[2:18:26] Voice 3: I mean, we don't speak about how you use it. We just say you have to have a system.

[2:18:32] Voice 3: And then the intent is...

[2:18:33] Voice 3: But any investment would require a different model.

[2:18:38] Voice 3: That makes a huge difference.

[2:18:40] Voice 3: Yeah, so, I know that. But as the way this file is written, there's not a model. It's just, it has to be cashed in.

[2:18:46] Voice 5: Right.

[2:18:47] Voice 6: And we can't require both of them. So we can only require that it be there.

[2:18:54] Voice 6: is that

[2:18:55] Voice 3: figure that used to be was like 60 or 70 percent of all water usage was in the house for

[2:19:00] Voice 3: the toilet flushing is that still valid yeah and that was sort of where we're um on main island

[2:19:07] Voice 3: that's where we came from this is you know it's not necessarily for potable but it's basically

[2:19:11] Voice 3: to provide the source of water to so you're not affecting your groundwater yeah this job

[2:19:19] Voice 3: I just

[2:19:20] Voice 16: sort of did what Priscilla had said earlier, but if we could, this is hugely helpful context, bigger picture, what's the thinking, and as this particular proposed bylaw 143 goes forward or whatever, I would suggest that some of this working in some kind of short narrative be attached so that when people are reading this bylaw, they understand exactly what it's proposing.

[2:19:48] Voice 16: and some of them, there are a lot of reasons being offered.

[2:19:53] Voice 16: I think that just, it's useful for the reader,

[2:19:56] Voice 16: it's transparent, and it catches some good whims.

[2:20:01] Voice 16: So,

[2:20:02] Voice 3: Clarence, at the way that we're sitting right now,

[2:20:05] Voice 3: we have some motions before us for early report.

[2:20:09] Voice 3: Do you feel it's still valid,

[2:20:12] Voice 3: based on the conversation here,

[2:20:13] Voice 3: to proceed with early report,

[2:20:16] Voice 3: or is your recommendation to reserve pause?

[2:20:20] Voice 7: Up

[2:20:20] Voice 6: to now, the direction has been to include cisterns everywhere.

[2:20:23] Voice 6: If you want to not do that, then it probably makes sense just to pause this.

[2:20:34] Voice 6: Staff could amend the bylaw and remove that and just refer out the secondary suite provision

[2:20:39] Voice 6: if you want to still move forward with bylaw 143, that piece.

[2:20:47] Voice 5: Just to follow up on that.

[2:20:50] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:20:50] Voice 2: Yeah. And we don't have to go like we don't have to go ahead.

[2:20:55] Voice 2: I mean, I, I certainly I personally, I have an opinion about the fact that the water systems are excluded, given that I've heard from somebody that the, you know, the Island Health or whoever were actually testing wells and water systems for saltwater intrusion.

[2:21:17] Voice 2: So they are actually monitoring that.

[2:21:19] Voice 2: so i have a personal feeling about just blanket exclusion of those um but having said that i think

[2:21:26] Voice 2: we should just pause on this and say this is really good information and as you suggested brad

[2:21:33] Voice 2: and move on to trying to define a standard and quantity for potable water from

[2:21:42] Voice 2: fresh water collection

[2:21:46] Voice 2: and then come back

[2:21:48] Voice 2: and roll the two back together

[2:21:50] Voice 2: when we've considered it a little more.

[2:21:53] Voice 2: Would that work?

[2:21:57] Voice 7: Yeah, absolutely.

[2:21:59] Voice 7: I

[2:21:59] Voice 17: think this is basically ready to go

[2:22:03] Voice 17: if we choose to take that action.

[2:22:05] Voice 17: So this don't go stale

[2:22:07] Voice 17: sitting on the shore for a little while

[2:22:09] Voice 17: while we address this.

[2:22:10] Voice 17: Just as Yvonne said,

[2:22:12] Voice 17: what would a project and that's i think the placement is cautionless over the project to

[2:22:18] Voice 17: define quality and quantity of fresh water look like is it even within within the mean within

[2:22:25] Voice 17: our rest and that that conversation we could have at the next meeting and depending on how we

[2:22:30] Voice 17: proceed that would then impact what we did with this bylaw we would either then adopt as it works

[2:22:37] Voice 17: there for approval or we would try to um incorporate something around fresh water into it

[2:22:43] Voice 17: like um potentially the signing of the secondary suites or the other points we talked about before

[2:22:50] Voice 17: but to i think that's this point we need to be kind of wide-eyed as to what's involved in coming

[2:22:58] Voice 17: up with the quality and quantity definition and have that conversation i deal with some

[2:23:04] Voice 17: some professional input if we can next time.

[2:23:08] Voice 3: So would you let this draft file basically

[2:23:12] Voice 3: to be brought forward with the next

[2:23:15] Voice 3: meetings package before the discussion?

[2:23:20] Voice 6: Through the chair, I have a suggestion. You could seek a resolution

[2:23:24] Voice 6: asking that staff provide a report

[2:23:28] Voice 6: on what steps would be required

[2:23:36] Voice 6: to undertake a project

[2:23:39] Voice 6: to develop a lot of understanding.

[2:23:43] Voice 6: And then I can go back.

[2:23:46] Voice 6: That would be for William.

[2:23:47] Voice 6: And you can just provide the steps

[2:23:49] Voice 6: of what that would look like.

[2:23:52] Voice 6: And then at your next...

[2:23:55] Voice 6: I think if you're going to do that work,

[2:23:58] Voice 6: you have to stop this project

[2:24:00] Voice 6: and start that project.

[2:24:02] Voice 6: So you could put this project on pause, you could park bylaw 143, you could park the conversation around flexible zoning, it doesn't seem to be a huge burning demand to do that work, and focus, I guess, the rest of your term on developing, working towards development standards for water and septic.

[2:24:33] Voice 6: I think would be would make sense to include both of those and give direction for staff

[2:24:43] Voice 6: to proceed with the project charter I guess the next meeting if that's what you want to do

[2:24:49] Voice 6: yeah

[2:24:50] Voice 17: I guess I guess that that would be good if it's possible because the other competing

[2:24:57] Voice 17: requirements the bylaw amendments they're pretty well done they just require a staff

[2:25:02] Voice 17: kind of a drug which is obviously significant i know it's changing our values by law and and

[2:25:08] Voice 17: when we're ready we're not yet for those forward but that is a project that i think needs to be

[2:25:12] Voice 17: completed this term we've heard about our institute project just to um it's to basically

[2:25:18] Voice 17: put enshrined standing resolutions for violent enforcement into the actual uh finals basically

[2:25:26] Voice 17: right

[2:25:26] Voice 6: and i would think that hopefully it could be a project of violent enforcement or just work

[2:25:30] Voice 6: that violence yeah

[2:25:32] Voice 17: i think it's given the work that's been done by that by war on them

[2:25:38] Voice 17: probably run with with that but that is a piece of work it will require changes to the language

[2:25:44] Voice 17: by law for sure um there is this shoreline project that we did have on we do have on the books and

[2:25:53] Voice 17: then we've heard it might be of more urgency depending on what the uh bylaws have come back

[2:25:59] Voice 17: and that's not an insignificant piece of work either.

[2:26:04] Voice 6: That might even be a major project.

[2:26:06] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:26:07] Voice 6: It needs some consultant work to do shoreline inventory.

[2:26:13] Voice 17: I'm kind of getting the sense that we need a defining body of quantity just for

[2:26:19] Voice 17: Saturn Island.

[2:26:21] Voice 17: It may be a project too large for us given our resources and what we want to achieve

[2:26:27] Voice 17: the rest of the term are you talking about

[2:26:30] Voice 14: uh the water quality the

[2:26:34] Voice 17: yeah the status for

[2:26:36] Voice 17: political

[2:26:37] Voice 14: standard yeah there's

[2:26:38] Voice 14: such basic building blocks from anything to move forwards

[2:26:41] Voice 14: i

[2:26:42] Voice 17: agree i agree so i mean we can see how we go and i guess i'm relaying all that coming

[2:26:49] Voice 17: over the project charter for for this work is great but can we do that as well as between now

[2:26:58] Voice 17: ideally in the next meeting amend we've not talked about this yet but we will in a moment

[2:27:04] Voice 17: amend the the uses of donated densities in the counter to housing purposes because that i think

[2:27:13] Voice 17: I think is the key, very much necessary first piece of work.

[2:27:20] Voice 17: So I guess we'll put it over to you, Chair, and to the planners.

[2:27:24] Voice 17: That's, I think, what we need to do.

[2:27:26] Voice 17: How do we organize it, given that we can basically...

[2:27:28] Voice 13: He doesn't even live here.

[2:27:30] Voice 17: Yeah, but he's still doing all the work.

[2:27:32] Voice 17: So, yeah,

[2:27:32] Voice 13: he has to say it,

[2:27:33] Voice 3: basically.

[2:27:35] Voice 3: Well, I think, literally, it's not so much a question of what your priorities are

[2:27:41] Voice 3: and where you want to put your energy. So it sounded like you don't want to

[2:27:48] Voice 3: you want to pause this current what's before us right now. Yes I think that's

[2:27:54] Voice 3: what we're saying. I think that's phase one, is to do that part. Then we'll do your new business and then when we get to the active projects and such, that's when we can have the go down the deep dive and go okay

[2:28:11] Voice 3: where are we going to be yeah i think

[2:28:14] Voice 17: what i've suggested in terms of outlining the scope of the

[2:28:16] Voice 17: probable water project is that off exactly that's that's that's nailed it the question then becomes

[2:28:22] Voice 17: when do we do that

[2:28:23] Voice 3: and i've got resources fair enough so do you need a motion to pause the

[2:28:27] Voice 3: project or is pausing this possible i

[2:28:30] Voice 6: just don't do anything i would need a motion requesting that

[2:28:35] Voice 6: staff provide a report on options for

[2:28:39] Voice 16: a project on development.

[2:28:43] Voice 17: Can we wait for the discussion of our various projects

[2:28:47] Voice 17: to have that?

[2:28:50] Voice 6: I think with this, if you just don't do anything, it'll just sit.

[2:28:54] Voice 3: So I see Trustee Bowles got her hand up, so she might contribute to the conversation.

[2:29:00] Voice 2: Yeah, I would like to believe, and

[2:29:03] Voice 2: I probably am wrong that if we that that there is material that already exists around

[2:29:13] Voice 2: water catchment quality at least if not quantity but the quantity probably it's the same whether

[2:29:21] Voice 2: you have a well or whatever so I would love to see something which said you know here are pieces

[2:29:28] Voice 2: pieces of the puzzle or steps we could take that we don't have to sit down and write this

[2:29:33] Voice 2: document ourselves, you know, do a bit of research for the next meeting. And I'll make

[2:29:39] Voice 2: a motion on that if that's needed. Give me a few minutes and talk about something else

[2:29:44] Voice 2: and I can make a motion if that's, that would be helpful.

[2:29:48] Voice 3: Okay, so this is one part where we're saying for the positive, what's the worst? We'll

[2:29:52] Voice 3: We'll move on the agenda to new business, and we'll talk to Presley Militant's concerns.

[2:30:00] And then we'll move on to the projects and we'll start defining that.

[2:30:06] Voice 17: Yeah.

[2:30:06] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:30:07] Voice 17: And combinations on the work that was done is eminently usable and we'll use it.

[2:30:13] Voice 17: It's just temporarily sitting while we sort of deal with it.

[2:30:16] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:30:17] Voice 17: So let's move to new business.

[2:30:21] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:30:22] Voice 17: Trust me.

[2:30:23] Voice 17: So I won't repeat what we said at the beginning, but this is basically opportunity has come

[2:30:29] Voice 17: up based on the conservation of along all these properties um um the bc parks foundation is what

[2:30:41] it looks

[2:30:41] Voice 17: like in process of purchasing them it looks like the setup it seems very confident we

[2:30:46] Voice 17: offered a meeting on monday that they'll raise the final point whatever million by february 6.

[2:30:52] Voice 17: um they are open to donating the densities all 34 densities so it's a significant number

[2:30:59] Voice 17: um from those properties to the community and that's the reserve they in my view would be

[2:31:10] Voice 17: the community many investors have already lost the conservation purposes through some

[2:31:14] Voice 17: opportunity to come along that the community is worthy of those capacities but i think what

[2:31:20] Voice 17: is probably more realistic given the amount of conservation land that now exists is that those

[2:31:28] Voice 17: those densities be available for,

[2:31:31] Voice 17: I think the word is it was poorly affordable

[2:31:35] Voice 17: or accessible housing projects.

[2:31:38] Voice 17: So they would basically be in that, you know,

[2:31:42] Voice 17: potentially multifamily, potentially clustered,

[2:31:44] Voice 17: like I'm not suggesting what they'd be,

[2:31:47] Voice 17: but the

[2:31:48] Voice 1: guidelines to how they can be used

[2:31:50] Voice 1: have to be made

[2:31:51] Voice 17: very clear in the calendar

[2:31:52] Voice 17: and they're not currently.

[2:31:55] Voice 17: And the BC Parks Foundation has said

[2:31:58] Voice 17: they wouldn't be comfortable displacing the densities unless there was some kind of caveat

[2:32:05] Voice 17: that the residential development would be ecologically benign or

[2:32:13] Voice 17: green in some way, like they're not basically using the densities to build

[2:32:17] Voice 17: mansions on waterfront walls and that's my rule, it's not that. And so I don't know what that

[2:32:24] Voice 17: waiting looks like um and this is a project for our planner i think that there's some urgency to

[2:32:30] Voice 17: it it would be a conversation with the bc parks foundation staff has to determine what their

[2:32:37] Voice 17: um concerns are around earmarking the identities for for housing i'm sure it's very achievable

[2:32:44] Voice 17: i'm sure the the wording exists elsewhere in the trust area about this type of development

[2:32:49] Voice 17: um it's just a matter of then bringing it forward in the document

[2:32:54] Voice 6: i don't know

[2:32:54] Voice 6: just through the chair um you could just receive the densities now

[2:33:00] Voice 6: and put them in your cater and then consider later the engineer cater to reflect housing

[2:33:08] Voice 6: you don't yeah that's that

[2:33:11] Voice 17: that wouldn't um that would be the one the uh

[2:33:16] Voice 17: bc parks because the only purpose for them then currently is conservation um

[2:33:21] Voice 6: so that's what i

[2:33:23] Voice 6: would recommend doing is that the ltc just like how we have it set up it's just a ledger so it

[2:33:31] Voice 6: would just be those 34 densities would go into your counter ledger beside your other three right

[2:33:37] Voice 6: now and we would just reference you know transfers of all property to two parts foundation and then

[2:33:48] Voice 6: And in the future, or, you know, you could either amend that OCP as part of the project

[2:34:01] Voice 6: to broaden the use of your tether as part of when you turn your money back to housing

[2:34:08] Voice 6: or even maybe as a technical amendment.

[2:34:11] Voice 6: But

[2:34:11] Voice 7: that's, I mean, that's just to...

[2:34:14] Voice 14: Will they donate them without the conservation part?

[2:34:19] Voice 14: that may be

[2:34:20] Voice 17: a constant conversation to have but yeah if they know we do have intent they might

[2:34:26] Voice 17: want to say well okay what's that look like before we actually give you the density though they might

[2:34:31] Voice 17: not they may

[2:34:32] Voice 6: be perfectly happy that they know i think if you signal that maybe considering

[2:34:36] Voice 6: looking at our policies in the future to also include you know traditional like affordable

[2:34:42] Voice 1: Portable housing

[2:34:42] Voice 6: with a not-for-profit affordable housing scheme.

[2:34:49] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:34:54] Voice 6: I would be surprised

[2:34:55] Voice 7: to think about that.

[2:34:57] Voice 6: I mean, you could just receive them now and just receive them

[2:35:04] Voice 6: and then think about this after.

[2:35:07] Voice 6: So you might, and there's conservation.

[2:35:10] Voice 6: I hear what you're saying too.

[2:35:12] Voice 6: You know what I'm saying.

[2:35:13] Voice 6: Trustable.

[2:35:14] Voice 6: no

[2:35:15] Voice 2: i think i'm just misunderstanding here brad when you say just receive them

[2:35:22] Voice 2: um i don't think we can receive them unless they're offered to us and it seems that they

[2:35:27] Voice 2: won't be offered unless we have um a clearer intent around how they'll be used am i right

[2:35:34] Voice 2: in saying that lee or is there some receive them which is just to be out there in the ether and we

[2:35:42] Voice 2: receive them but at some later date we kind of define how they're going to be used.

[2:35:48] Voice 17: They know that the

[2:35:49] Voice 17: community has an interest in them for housing purposes.

[2:35:54] Voice 17: The county doesn't say that but they know that that's where the conversation has gone from the

[2:36:00] Voice 17: questions they've been asked through the website into the meeting on Monday and so I mean I'm

[2:36:09] Voice 17: I'm wondering if anything in terms of one sentence might simply.

[2:36:18] Voice 6: It's just still an OCP amendment.

[2:36:20] Voice 6: It is.

[2:36:22] Voice 6: Anything you've got.

[2:36:23] Voice 6: Any word you've changed there.

[2:36:25] Voice 6: That's why I think you're better off to either just signal that if you receive these densities that potentially could be used for housing that LTC might turn your mind to.

[2:36:40] Voice 6: you could also refer to like the county policy right now refers to amenities of value so that's

[2:36:47] Voice 4: you

[2:36:47] Voice 6: know when there is a lot of debate in the trust area right now as to whether like

[2:36:52] Voice 6: those amenities include community and all those other things are gone

[2:36:59] Voice 6: but I think well if they're willing to give them away and you're willing with the signal that they

[2:37:07] Voice 6: may be used for affordable housing maybe you need to define what that is if they have concerns

[2:37:11] Voice 6: maybe it's a letter for multi-seasing you would like to receive those densities currently our

[2:37:16] Voice 6: cat are only considered conservation given the crisis in housing we're also maybe potentially

[2:37:22] Voice 6: amending if we amended that section it would still be very specific to you know

[2:37:27] Voice 6: uh housing

[2:37:29] Voice 6: that provides you know community amenity and is not

[2:37:41] Voice 16: is

[2:37:42] Voice 17: there the ability to register atlanta so to speak that letter in the cadre with the um i think

[2:37:51] Voice 6: you need to in the cadre i think i think your cadres appeasing the donate the donor is one

[2:37:58] Voice 6: one thing but with in terms of your tatter you can just receive them as densities right now you

[2:38:07] Voice 6: couldn't use them as housing potentially but when you're ready to turn your mind to that work you

[2:38:13] Voice 6: can't you don't have to do all of that work before you receive them is my key I think the latter is

[2:38:20] Voice 6: that the the

[2:38:21] Voice 17: only driver or they do originally because there are projects on the last number

[2:38:26] Voice 17: we're all currently the only driver is there a comfort in donating finances i think the letter

[2:38:31] Voice 17: would probably be fine and i think maybe i could suggest that we have a conference call potentially

[2:38:36] Voice 17: um that would probably need to be able to trust me i guess with your blessing

[2:38:43] Voice 17: uh my fellow committee members tonight without a comfortable with their ceo and just find out what

[2:38:50] Voice 17: what language they would like to work with.

[2:38:53] Voice 17: They don't need anything, you know.

[2:38:56] Voice 17: But yeah, I think he seemed to have a pretty good idea of the language

[2:39:01] Voice 17: that they would need to see, and it was pretty simple.

[2:39:04] Voice 17: It wasn't anything, you know, and I think if we made a letter,

[2:39:07] Voice 17: it would give me comfort that at least we'd been completely transparent

[2:39:11] Voice 17: when we received them to say, look, we might have something

[2:39:13] Voice 17: other than possible.

[2:39:14] Voice 17: It's going to take a switch.

[2:39:16] Voice 17: Exactly.

[2:39:16] Voice 17: Which I don't think they'll be confused about,

[2:39:18] Voice 17: but i would be totally fine with that i don't know about the money so it really matters

[2:39:29] Voice 2: um no i i'm reading this the cadr and um yeah it's kind of a bit of a struggle to make it specific

[2:39:39] Voice 2: i i think yeah a letter that would signal our intent but um we need some advice from

[2:39:49] Voice 2: from uh brad etc on this some specifics that we could put in there and i suppose

[2:39:59] Voice 2: in the current language it's like we can give a so we receive the densities and then we can

[2:40:07] Voice 2: dispense those densities in exchange for a community amenity of some kind

[2:40:18] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:40:23] Voice 2: And what we're saying is that a community amenity could be for us just directly using those

[2:40:33] Voice 2: to achieve some kind of affordable housing. Yeah, I'm struggling really to figure out how

[2:40:44] Voice 2: how to capture that. I think we all understand what we're trying to say, but it's a bit of

[2:40:49] Voice 9: a...

[2:40:49] Voice 9: If we

[2:40:49] Voice 9: just leave it.

[2:40:50] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:40:50] Voice 3: That Tristan Milton and Clare Smith will work in conjunction with the daughter to develop

[2:40:59] Voice 3: whatever language is needed.

[2:41:01] Voice 3: Get in a letter

[2:41:02] Voice 17: that just simply thanks them for the receipt and informs that in the future

[2:41:10] Voice 17: we may look to utilize them from this matter using language that they're comfortable with about

[2:41:16] Voice 17: ecological housing and that was their their phrase um and then the actual change to the

[2:41:22] Voice 17: category because

[2:41:23] Voice 4: it is an ocp amendment

[2:41:24] Voice 17: would obviously have public consultation in terms of

[2:41:27] Voice 17: what that adjustment to the guidelines looks like and so we don't have to make the current

[2:41:32] Voice 17: guidelines fit the future we would actually when the time comes change the guidelines or

[2:41:37] Voice 17: So

[2:41:38] Voice 3: we'll just do a simple motion.

[2:41:41] Voice 3: Maybe if Trustee Middleton?

[2:41:44] Voice 6: I'm not sure if he would need a motion.

[2:41:45] Voice 6: Or

[2:41:46] Voice 3: if there's a law authorization to talk to the foundation, I think.

[2:41:53] Voice 6: Well, he has been talking to them.

[2:41:55] Voice 6: I think he just needs to go.

[2:41:58] Voice 17: Sir, it's the letter that

[2:41:59] Voice 17: we signed by the local trust committee.

[2:42:02] Voice 17: So once drafted, that's when, I guess, the committee will authorize by signing the letter.

[2:42:08] Voice 17: So I think we could just go ahead and drop the loan, draft the letter, bring it back.

[2:42:14] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:42:15] Voice 6: And you could, where you could have a resolution, I guess, requesting that Trustee Middleton

[2:42:25] Voice 6: send the letter to, rather than having to do that by our WM.

[2:42:29] Voice 6: And then we'll work on the letter and they can review it and get it right and then send it.

[2:42:34] Voice 6: The letter should come from the local trust nation.

[2:42:38] Voice 6: So then you can pass a resolution that the local trust committee send a letter to the BC Parks Foundation

[2:42:44] Voice 6: describing potential future uses of their cat

[2:42:47] Voice 6: for donated densities.

[2:42:51] Voice 6: So moved.

[2:42:53] Voice 3: Okay, so I'll ask our secretary. Lisa, did you capture

[2:42:59] Voice 3: Trustee Middleton's slash Planner Smith's intent of that resolution?

[2:43:04] Voice 8: What I have is that the Saturna Island local trust committee

[2:43:09] Voice 8: We'll send a letter to the BC Parks Foundation requesting language on potential future use

[2:43:22] Voice 8: of donated densities.

[2:43:26] Voice 6: Including, instead of requesting, I think it would be better, or do you want to ask

[2:43:29] Voice 6: for the densities formally in this letter as well?

[2:43:32] Voice 17: Yeah, you can

[2:43:32] Voice 17: ask for the densities.

[2:43:33] Voice 6: So, requesting density transfer and clarifying potential future uses.

[2:43:43] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:43:45] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:43:46] Voice 3: That should do it.

[2:43:47] Voice 3: Trustee Ball, I see a hand up.

[2:43:49] Voice 3: Is there a second hand or is there a comment hand?

[2:43:52] Voice 3: You're muted.

[2:43:55] Voice 2: I need the CADR as it stands at the moment.

[2:44:01] Voice 2: We may need some changes because it talks about transferring the densities to land

[2:44:06] Voice 2: And that's it has to be large parcels.

[2:44:09] Voice 2: But there is one in there that says like the density will be applied in a way that's approved by the local trust committee.

[2:44:18] Voice 2: So there is a kind of a blanket statement that the local trust committee has to approve it, how it's used and where it's applied.

[2:44:26] Voice 2: So I think there's quite a bit of language in there that covers what we might want to do without being so constrained that we can do nothing, you know.

[2:44:40] Voice 2: But, yeah, but yeah, I support what you're proposing.

[2:44:45] Voice 3: Okay, so moved and seconded.

[2:44:49] Voice 3: So discussion.

[2:44:52] Voice 3: Okay, call the question.

[2:44:56] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:44:56] Voice 6: yeah that's just

[2:44:57] Voice 6: at the end of the resolution you might just want to put regarding the two

[2:45:02] Voice 6: properties i've got this point or how would we best describe those problems we

[2:45:06] Voice 17: could just say

[2:45:07] Voice 17: just out of respect and i guess for the family you say um regarding the hall properties

[2:45:14] Voice 6: regarding

[2:45:15] Voice 6: the hall properties please add to the end of that resolution lisa just to

[2:45:19] Voice 7: write some more

[2:45:26] Voice 15: I did have a few comments, but it sounds as though if this goes ahead that there will be community ability to keep my input later, assuming I'm still alive.

[2:45:37] Voice 15: like.

[2:45:41] Voice 14: Just in our conversation, in the conversation I heard that you had with Mr. Tim Dennis,

[2:45:49] Voice 14: is that they standardly require that all densities be extinguished. So my guess is that

[2:45:58] Voice 14: they haven't sought very far down the road on a group that would like to keep the densities.

[2:46:05] Voice 14: so i will look for something uh creative from our community and from them that continues the

[2:46:17] Voice 14: conservation event that they have and i have some concern over 34 how does one translate 34

[2:46:24] Voice 14: densities in into something that is that's a lot of density and so how do neighbors take that like

[2:46:34] Voice 14: Do you collectify that in units of 10 or is it, you know, exactly like a cottage in a house?

[2:46:40] Voice 14: I realize that's down the road, but 34 is a whack of density to go from

[2:46:48] Voice 13: 3 to 34.

[2:46:49] Voice 17: That's the discussion that we would need to have and get info from the community at that point for sure.

[2:46:55] Voice 17: The first step is to actually secure them.

[2:46:59] Voice 14: Yes.

[2:47:00] Voice 17: And then

[2:47:01] Voice 17: after that, we can do the work.

[2:47:04] Voice 17: as required and

[2:47:06] Voice 14: i would love to do it in consultation with him it is a gift and he said

[2:47:10] Voice 14: in there's nothing to say as he said really clearly that they could extinguish those

[2:47:16] Voice 14: and the desire was to um be amenable to the community and to be supportive neighbors and

[2:47:23] Voice 14: i really appreciate that so the only

[2:47:26] Voice 17: way they can do that is give us the next they said right

[2:47:29] Voice 17: that's not there's not a protest for them to like bring in snow on Harrison but we're just not there

[2:47:34] Voice 17: yet right so I mean they they would have to that's why there is what

[2:47:38] Voice 14: I'm saying it's novel for them

[2:47:40] Voice 14: and it's novel for us and I think it will take quite a bit of planning um to to deal with that

[2:47:46] Voice 5: what

[2:47:47] Voice 14: does that equal 34 densities where you know that type of thing that type of discussion

[2:47:53] Voice 14: and i'm hoping we're considering non-profit but well

[2:47:57] Voice 17: but just to be clear once they give us the

[2:48:00] Voice 17: densities this becomes like they're basically they've been generous they understand the scope

[2:48:08] Voice 17: of how they can be used and they're comfortable be comfortable with that well

[2:48:12] Voice 14: see that's something

[2:48:13] Voice 14: i don't think we understand is the scope of how they can be used

[2:48:16] Voice 17: do

[2:48:18] Voice 14: we i don't

[2:48:19] Voice 17: they would be used

[2:48:21] Voice 17: used for as currently conservation purposes or a type of housing project that provides

[2:48:31] Voice 17: accessible kind of low-impact housing, should a project like that ever come along.

[2:48:37] Voice 17: If it doesn't, those testes do no harm sitting there.

[2:48:40] Voice 17: They're preserved.

[2:48:42] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:48:42] Voice 14: Well, the one thing that you have said is that that opens us up now to lots of CRD and

[2:48:47] Voice 14: provincial and federal money for developing those.

[2:48:49] Voice 14: It

[2:48:50] Voice 17: could be a significant tool that the local trust committee has at its disposal that could leverage other government levels of funding, for sure.

[2:48:59] Voice 14: I think the part where I'm a little bit uncomfortable is that they donated to us, and then he did say that it had ecological aspects of it, and I'd like to hear more of what they think that might possibly be, rather than, okay, it means you paint the walls green.

[2:49:15] Voice 14: and and i'm saying that facetiously but i'm i'm i'm meaning that are we now saying that we have

[2:49:20] Voice 14: accepted those 34 densities and carp launch it's our our decision as to how to lose them

[2:49:27] Voice 17: uh yes that's what would happen right because that it's it's a tool of the community it's our

[2:49:35] Voice 17: community and energy density reserve they know that they are giving them to us in faith that

[2:49:42] Voice 17: the structure of the animals trust level trust committees surrounding those entities means

[2:49:47] Voice 17: you know we can't just one day one of us go in and build uh no

[2:49:52] Voice 14: i know from worst to best but i'm

[2:49:55] Voice 14: saying you did say that in the conversation when he was standing up there that there would be some

[2:50:01] Voice 14: ecological or environmental and

[2:50:03] Voice 17: that's what we're getting that's what we're probing

[2:50:06] Voice 12: right now yeah

[2:50:07] Voice 12: that

[2:50:07] Voice 17: we want to get them to say what statement they're comfortable with.

[2:50:11] Voice 17: That's a strange question, and maybe one that needs

[2:50:15] Voice 3: to be answered. Can a density basically

[2:50:19] Voice 3: be donated with a covenant on it, saying that it can only be used

[2:50:23] Voice 3: for these purposes?

[2:50:25] Voice 12: Great question. I

[2:50:31] Voice 6: think I have a question

[2:50:32] Voice 6: maybe you can point it and come back to us. The covenant would sit

[2:50:35] Voice 6: on a parcel, I'm not sure that's a good question.

[2:50:40] Voice 6: that's

[2:50:41] Voice 14: that's exactly my question thank you

[2:50:46] Voice 6: it's not how it's set up because heaven was tied with land yeah yeah so but is there

[2:50:52] Voice 14: it's a

[2:50:53] Voice 3: goofy question because i mean i don't have any questions

[2:50:59] Voice 3: is is there a mechanism where somebody would donate to the bank

[2:51:07] Voice 6: like if you donated to the bank if it was going in if it was being donated to a particular

[2:51:13] Voice 6: parcel at the same time then you could apply a covenant to that parcel

[2:51:18] Voice 6: but if it's just going into the bucket they don't see where the covenant provision would

[2:51:25] Voice 6: go

[2:51:26] Voice 5: so i would

[2:51:28] Voice 5: say well i

[2:51:30] Voice 14: think that's important when when we had that discussion we said yes to

[2:51:35] Voice 14: that and we said you know everybody nodded their heads in agreement so i think that needs to be

[2:51:40] Voice 17: covered and

[2:51:40] Voice 14: honored in some manner what we're doing that's exactly what

[2:51:43] Voice 4: we're doing

[2:51:44] Voice 14: okay

[2:51:49] Voice 3: so we want to go back to reports so we have a work program report so now i

[2:51:57] Voice 17: think i think given

[2:51:58] Voice 17: what we just discussed i think our plan would probably be comfortable in entertaining the

[2:52:05] Voice 17: motion that Marie had because that sounds like the space for that work to be done right between

[2:52:11] Voice 17: now and the next meeting. So

[2:52:13] Voice 3: Trustee Bowman you have a motion.

[2:52:16] Voice 2: I've kind of lost track this was

[2:52:18] Voice 2: the motion to ask for some work to be done on outlining the scope of work for a project to

[2:52:28] Voice 2: um come up with standards around quality and quantity for potable water for rainwater from

[2:52:38] Voice 2: rainwater catchment um yeah so um through

[2:52:45] Voice 6: the chair i would just frame it as a project to

[2:52:49] Voice 2: develop

[2:52:49] Voice 6: subdivision regulation standards for water supply thank

[2:52:55] Voice 2: you brad that's really helpful okay

[2:53:01] Voice 2: Okay, Lisa, did you get that?

[2:53:05] Voice 8: No, not really.

[2:53:07] Voice 8: I can help

[2:53:08] Voice 6: if you want, Mary.

[2:53:09] Voice 8: Please, please do.

[2:53:10] Voice 6: The Serturnal Island Local Trust Committee requests that staff provide a report to the LCC

[2:53:16] Voice 6: with options and considerations for initiating a project to develop subdivision regulation standards for water supply.

[2:53:23] Voice 6: lot okay

[2:53:27] Voice 2: and that would include water catchment because i did look at the proof of water material

[2:53:34] Voice 2: that william has done already but it's all about wells there's nothing about water catchment

[2:53:39] Voice 2: yet yeah well

[2:53:43] Voice 5: the intent is understood you got that

[2:53:46] Voice 8: lisa yes i have that thank you

[2:53:50] Voice 8: okay

[2:53:50] Voice 3: so seconded trustee nelson any further discussion call the question all in favor

[2:53:58] Voice 3: and that carries all right thanks brad

[2:54:02] Voice 17: yes thank you um just share one last thing so the the

[2:54:06] Voice 17: shoreline project i think what we're pausing will receive the report from from my law enforcement

[2:54:13] Voice 17: and then we can decide what these resources and having resources when it comes to the

[2:54:19] Voice 17: shoreline will be protected if that seems to fit the best so that's

[2:54:24] Voice 7: really and that's

[2:54:25] Voice 7: absolutely

[2:54:25] Voice 5: and

[2:54:30] Voice 2: brad with respect to the shoreline i mean i know there are places where people get

[2:54:35] Voice 2: permission to protect their shoreline i know in winter cove there's one for instance

[2:54:42] Voice 2: and what kind of circumstances allow that i'm thinking that with climate change and you know

[2:54:51] Voice 2: higher sea levels a lot of people will suffer and unless they're allowed to protect their property

[2:55:00] Voice 2: you know and i look at the work that's been done over on the sunshine coast about flooding

[2:55:05] Voice 2: And of course, you can, you know, change your bylaw regulations to have people build further back or higher.

[2:55:14] Voice 2: But existing properties, how is that handled?

[2:55:18] Voice 2: You know, why shouldn't somebody be allowed to protect what they have right now?

[2:55:24] Voice 2: Well

[2:55:25] Voice 3: they can for variance and such but as you recall in the new draft policy statement

[2:55:32] Voice 3: the direction to local trust committees is you must address sea level rise so it's something

[2:55:39] Voice 3: that will be put on your radar that our land use file needs to address in some sort of form.

[2:55:48] Voice 3: But certainly at this point in time anybody can put in for an application for variance

[2:55:55] Voice 3: they can go through the various requirements

[2:55:59] Voice 3: and be granted a variance anywhere within the trust area.

[2:56:04] Voice 3: So just

[2:56:06] Voice 6: to add to that, and thank you through the chair.

[2:56:09] Voice 6: So on the Saturn Island,

[2:56:11] Voice 6: there are no development permit areas along the shoreline.

[2:56:14] Voice 6: So you would only be required

[2:56:16] Voice 6: to get the development variance permit,

[2:56:18] Voice 6: or you could go through the border variance

[2:56:21] Voice 6: demonstrating hardship.

[2:56:22] Voice 6: For example, if your cliff is slopping, you're literally at risk of losing your home or something

[2:56:29] Voice 6: like that, that would be demonstrated as a hardship, I think.

[2:56:34] Voice 6: You would also need provincial approval if it's within the foreshore area at all.

[2:56:40] Voice 6: And you would also need federal, like you would need to work within federally approved

[2:56:45] Voice 6: fish timing windows and such.

[2:56:47] Voice 6: On other islands, for example, on Galliano Island, they have a shoreline development permit area that surrounds their entire island.

[2:56:58] Voice 6: So anywhere within the front lot setback, it would also require a development permit,

[2:57:03] Voice 6: which could then have guidelines around like green shore protection,

[2:57:09] Voice 6: and softer protections that would help to mitigate the use of concrete, just older rock

[2:57:17] Voice 6: all the time.

[2:57:19] Voice 6: In this case,

[2:57:20] Voice 7: we're just using a development variance permit.

[2:57:23] Voice 6: When issuing a variance permit, staff could consider the implications of that permit,

[2:57:31] Voice 6: request for insurance, et cetera, but it's not as defined as if you have it in a development

[2:57:36] Voice 6: permit area.

[2:57:37] Voice 6: yeah

[2:57:40] Voice 2: and then that's for new i suppose and then you also have the repair of existing

[2:57:47] Voice 2: yeah okay well we just have to wait until um um warren warren comes back with the complete report

[2:57:58] Voice 2: that we can look at thanks i'm

[2:58:02] Voice 14: just thinking about that thinking about salt spring uh baker

[2:58:06] Voice 14: Baker Beach. I'm thinking about

[2:58:07] Voice 14: Saterna Beach.

[2:58:11] Voice 14: And Mary,

[2:58:12] Voice 14: this reminds me if it's your

[2:58:15] Voice 14: property that you're

[2:58:18] Voice 14: safeguarding

[2:58:18] Voice 14: or

[2:58:23] Voice 14: stabilizing.

[2:58:24] Voice 14: But we know that those stabilizing

[2:58:27] Voice 14: features are directly

[2:58:29] Voice 14: antithetical to the

[2:58:32] Voice 14: life

[2:58:33] Voice 14: cycles of all

[2:58:35] Voice 14: those spawning fish and all those things that

[2:58:37] Voice 14: happens particularly uh clearly stated at baker beach because there's been a number of long-term

[2:58:43] Voice 14: studies done there so that when you put up a wall uh that's the end of the way that the

[2:58:52] Voice 14: that the shore has worked i'm just saying it's fraught we're there to preserve and protect

[2:58:59] Voice 14: protect and so what um the difference in that property that you worked on it uh the way the

[2:59:09] Voice 14: water works is not very different step it behind and the water comes right around and hit that wall

[2:59:15] Voice 14: so I'm not offering I'm always saying it's complex it's

[2:59:23] Voice 3: a very complicated situation because yeah the

[2:59:26] Voice 3: The other side of the legend, what people say, is that with climate change,

[2:59:31] Voice 3: is that literally the sea level rise is now degrading the natural environment

[2:59:37] Voice 3: to provide additional erosion opportunities.

[2:59:40] Voice 3: So in stabilizing the bank, you're actually protecting the natural environment.

[2:59:45] Voice 14: No, you're not.

[2:59:46] Voice 3: So that's...

[2:59:47] Voice 14: You're protecting the private property as it is owned.

[2:59:51] Voice 3: But for instance, like on North Canada,

[2:59:56] Voice 3: They actually committed a 35-country wall.

[3:00:00] Voice 3: to protect because there was so much erosion happening and there was so it literally went

[3:00:06] Voice 3: through our galaxy branch fisheries and it was the most if you go past um

[3:00:12] Voice 3: fort washington on the ferry this great big big wall that was to preserve erosion

[3:00:19] Voice 14: not to preserve the erosion well okay

[3:00:22] Voice 3: i guess

[3:00:23] Voice 14: i haven't made my point is that

[3:00:25] Voice 14: when those natural systems stop working because obviously

[3:00:28] Voice 14: they're just they will go deeper and deeper into any property and things like middens east points

[3:00:34] Voice 14: middens down at shell beach are practically all fine so how far do you go and how extensive do

[3:00:41] Voice 14: you go when you know that you have the feed fish for salmon and stuff who were laying eggs in

[3:00:48] Voice 14: um in gravel which no longer will work once you put in those walls so that's all i'm saying

[3:00:59] Voice 15: it's a problem that's extremely difficult to resolve probably so i think there has to be some

[3:01:06] Voice 15: rationale that private land that is developed or not developed has a right to protect its foreshore

[3:01:17] Voice 15: because it's environmentally insensitive that trees start tipping over certainly would have

[3:01:23] Voice 15: happened if that wall hadn't been rebuilt in winter cold all of those nice green trees would

[3:01:30] Voice 15: now be laying on the beach so there is a rationale and it's environmentally sensitive in my opinion

[3:01:38] Voice 15: to prevent erosion you know invading private lands or public lands for that matter

[3:01:46] Voice 15: and the other thing that seems to happen is that the private sector and the public sector don't

[3:01:53] Voice 15: seem to play by the same rules i mean uh in the environmental river um that we had their highways

[3:02:03] Voice 15: department dumped multiple truck loads of imported riprap along east point road in two different

[3:02:11] Voice 15: locations and with a sloping bedrock sandstone the only way you can convert preserve the higher

[3:02:20] Voice 15: portion is to spread over a lower portion way out there where

[3:02:24] Voice 9: it gets flat and that's what I did.

[3:02:26] Voice 9: They just kept dumping it over and stacking it until they finally had a base sufficient

[3:02:31] Voice 1: stack to

[3:02:31] Voice 15: watch up and hold the road. It was necessary to hold the road. I don't have a

[3:02:35] Voice 15: problem with it but nobody ever even makes any comment about that. This stuff gets done

[3:02:41] Voice 15: but if you're a private individual paying extreme taxes on a piece of land you're told you can't

[3:02:47] Voice 15: But I

[3:02:48] Voice 3: think the only thing that does come into play with the British Columbia is you have what's called repairing rights.

[3:02:54] Voice 3: That is, you have the right to protect your land from erosion, but also you have the right to rethink your land if it is ruined.

[3:03:01] Voice 3: Well, that's good.

[3:03:03] Voice 3: If you go online, you go British Columbia repairing rights. There's a whole government website that explains what your rights are.

[3:03:10] Voice 3: So it is a very complex situation, and of course it depends, there's a huge difference

[3:03:16] Voice 3: between pouring a concrete wall that's 30 feet high versus placing some rock to basically

[3:03:22] Voice 3: dissipate the energy a little bit, because the concrete literally becomes this reflector,

[3:03:29] Voice 3: and it can totally have massive effects either coming out or dissipating the energy sideways.

[3:03:38] Voice 3: A lot of these studies have shown that, through green choice and stuff, if you do light rip rap, it dissipates the energy rather than deflecting or redirecting it.

[3:03:52] Voice 3: So it's deep, it's hard. Certainly go online with the green choice, because it talks of everything from just a little bit of planting to actually huge structures, but it all depends on the elements.

[3:04:05] Voice 3: So

[3:04:05] Voice 15: the problem with this is stack flushes.

[3:04:07] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:04:09] Voice 3: But then, we are .

[3:04:13] Voice 3: Well,

[3:04:14] Voice 14: actually, we're discussing within a contract

[3:04:17] Voice 14: what you can do a short, short, short, what we call a fix.

[3:04:23] Voice 14: And then you end up moving other things down the road.

[3:04:28] Voice 14: And you have to change that.

[3:04:29] Voice 14: The whole thing about water in areas like East Point,

[3:04:33] Voice 14: the areas that are having a problem is we end up going from sort of stopgap solution to stopgap

[3:04:39] Voice 14: solution but deep well

[3:04:41] Voice 3: i think that the main thing is that what i just don't want to see

[3:04:45] Voice 3: is say go to the satisfaction all the way to victoria it's almost one solid bubble

[3:04:51] Voice 3: this is probably the entire florida and that's not what we want to see but i i believe that

[3:05:02] Voice 3: The intent is that in specific areas where there's specific issues, we can look at and

[3:05:08] Voice 3: we can address some specific things, but the polling just do seem almost everywhere is

[3:05:15] Voice 3: not acceptable within the context of the violence trust, which makes us unique because, same

[3:05:20] Voice 3: with Vancouver, almost 100% of the Vancouver's aren't,

[3:05:25] Voice 9: and

[3:05:26] Voice 3: that's not what you see on the

[3:05:28] Voice 3: trust islands.

[3:05:31] Voice 3: All right.

[3:05:33] Voice 3: Do we have anything else under Active Projects or Future Projects?

[3:05:37] No, it's all under Active Projects.

[3:05:39] Okay.

[3:05:41] Voice 3: Thank you so much, everybody.

[3:05:44] Voice 3: Thank you for coming.

[3:05:46] Voice 3: We have an Applications Report, Virtual Update.

[3:05:50] Voice 5: Nothing specific, I don't know.

[3:05:52] Voice 3: Okay. Friends and locals, we have reports attached. We've got policies attached.

[3:06:00] Voice 3: Service reports attached. Upcoming meetings, we have an extra meeting. It's scheduled for

[3:06:07] April

[3:06:07] Voice 3: 24th. Thank you. And the last piece of business is the town hall, which I think

[3:06:19] Voice 3: the entire meeting is going to come home um

[3:06:22] Voice 5: i

[3:06:25] Voice 14: would like to see um diana allen's

[3:06:29] Voice 14: map and if we're inviting um one person from there i'd like her commentary to be involved in that so

[3:06:38] Voice 3: then it is in the in the the um agenda packets that i gave you um and it's also online okay

[3:06:48] Voice 3: Okay,

[3:06:48] Voice 14: I want to know why we have differences between what she's put out and what the current mapping is.

[3:06:57] Voice 3: Well,

[3:06:57] Voice 17: that would be a question for the properties, yes.

[3:06:59] Voice 17: Could I just, just on a pragmatic note?

[3:07:02] Voice 17: Yes, please.

[3:07:02] Voice 17: She did go to quite a bit of trouble presenting the scientific case, and I think maybe at the very end, we should write that note back to her, just thanking her for her contribution and say that we're going to be considering it at the next,

[3:07:15] Voice 17: we'll be considering it further as we do as this work develops something like that because i don't

[3:07:21] Voice 17: know exactly what you consider about it it's do we um do we have the right time you want to know

[3:07:28] Voice 17: it's because people can ask me okay i moved i moved that we thank anna allen for her correspondence

[3:07:35] Voice 17: and informed that we will be taking it into consideration as as we continue this work okay

[3:07:41] Voice 14: Okay, and so my suggestion is, has she seen this map?

[3:07:45] Voice 14: Do we know that she has?

[3:07:47] Voice 14: Because I

[3:07:48] Voice 11: would like to

[3:07:49] Voice 14: know what the differences are.

[3:07:54] Voice 3: We have a motion, but yes, I believe that her response is a response to the map.

[3:07:59] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:08:00] Voice 2: So

[3:08:00] Voice 3: is the trustee warned?

[3:08:03] Voice 2: Yes, her letter was very comprehensive.

[3:08:07] Voice 2: She wrote two letters, one, and it was very comprehensive.

[3:08:11] Voice 2: She went through the different methodologies and, yeah, it was, if you go through it, she goes through the two reports and discusses how the differences arose very, very thoroughly.

[3:08:29] Voice 2: and eight yeah great

[3:08:30] Voice 11: so

[3:08:32] Voice 3: in that again it's in that package but i would recommend going online

[3:08:36] Voice 3: because it's online it's in color there's ways to understand the map good

[3:08:43] Voice 14: because i would just like

[3:08:45] Voice 14: her um well climate changes and people do things differently um sometimes things that have been

[3:08:52] Voice 14: done previously still retain a huge usefulness to us which is what we say we're looking for

[3:08:58] Voice 14: or in terms of water.

[3:09:00] Voice 3: Okay, so it's moved and seconded.

[3:09:02] Voice 3: All questions in favor?

[3:09:06] Voice 3: And somehow we'll have to let her.

[3:09:09] So,

[3:09:12] Voice 5: we can get something out.

[3:09:14] Voice 17: Yeah, thank you.

[3:09:15] Voice 17: I think we're good.

[3:09:16] Voice 17: It's smooth.

[3:09:16] Voice 17: Well, I mean, she's a just a pirate.

[3:09:19] Voice 17: Thanks.

[3:09:19] Voice 17: Like she put a fair amount of effort into that

[3:09:21] Voice 17: and we appreciate it.

[3:09:22] Voice 17: I

[3:09:23] Voice 14: think it has to be more than so often we say,

[3:09:25] Voice 14: what is it they say so often on Fox?

[3:09:28] Voice 14: Thank you so much for your opinion.

[3:09:29] Voice 14: or that was a marvelous question and it means fuck all but what it means is that we will we

[3:09:35] Voice 14: will take into we will take into consideration in the

[3:09:38] Voice 14: comments that's what we're

[3:09:40] Voice 3: going to say

[3:09:40] Voice 3: okay thank you

[3:09:41] Voice 3: really

[3:09:42] Voice 17: interesting meeting

[3:10:00] Voice 3: And

[3:10:01] Voice 14: I will read that policy statement more thoroughly. On my part, it's simply an exhaustion

[3:10:09] Voice 14: with the whole thing and politics in general so much. I guess that's why I appreciate our

[3:10:18] Voice 14: meeting so much because we can talk about what are we trying to accomplish here and within what range

[3:10:24] Voice 14: do we have in the effect well

[3:10:27] Voice 3: i think the latest draft is just the consistent lack of feedback

[3:10:33] Voice 3: i'm getting i believe is people are reading it and saying they're comfortable can

[3:10:38] Voice 14: i offer an

[3:10:38] Voice 14: alternative it's like i checked out when it said you can only um do comments online to me that's a

[3:10:47] Voice 14: a deal-breaker.

[3:10:48] Voice 17: That's going to change now as

[3:10:50] Voice 17: the draft comes out.

[3:10:53] Voice 17: It'll come here, it'll be done.

[3:10:55] Voice 17: And the supply

[3:10:56] Voice 17: will be available. Because

[3:10:58] Voice 12: I don't want to

[3:10:58] Voice 12: listen to a lot of people's personal opinions.

[3:11:01] Voice 12: I want to listen to what can we build

[3:11:02] Voice 12: as a whole.

[3:11:03] Voice 3: For me, my first experience was

[3:11:06] Voice 3: in the 2022 draft,

[3:11:08] Voice 3: I was getting nothing. It wasn't online

[3:11:10] Voice 3: feedback, it was in-person feedback.

[3:11:13] Voice 3: And I was getting tons of it.

[3:11:15] Voice 3: And this go-around

[3:11:17] Voice 3: I literally have not had one person.

[3:11:19] Voice 3: I've asked people, what do you think about it?

[3:11:21] Voice 3: And they always go, yeah, it looks pretty good to me.

[3:11:24] Voice 3: I'd

[3:11:25] Voice 14: like to see some fancied if they actually read it.

[3:11:28] Voice 3: It's a good way to spend your weekend.

[3:11:31] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:11:33] Voice 3: All right.

[3:11:33] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[3:11:34] Voice 3: Yes, thank you.

[3:11:35] Voice 3: All right.

[3:11:36] Voice 3: With that, I think we can have a journey.

[3:11:40] Voice 3: And I

[3:11:40] Voice 14: think that's an astounding difference that there are 34 densities.

[3:11:44] Voice 14: I mean that's to me that is it's huge it's a big responsibility to take that on

[3:11:52] Voice 14: I

[3:11:53] Voice 3: think the dispersion of identities is a bigger part of the discussion

[3:12:07] Voice 3: one is the acquisition but the other part is how are they utilized

[3:12:10] Voice 3: this and then

[3:12:11] Voice 3: there may be a thing you know you use three or five or something like my great thing

[3:12:16] Voice 3: i don't i i think the end is not we're talking to trying to say i don't want them to reproduce

[3:12:23] Voice 7: that's so

[3:12:24] Voice 3: but i think that's intent that's not anything but that's what i