Hornby Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, February 12, 2025

[0:00:01] Voice 7: Well hello and good afternoon everyone. This is a special meeting of the Maine Local Trust Committee

[0:00:07] Voice 7: to study and to learn the suitable land analysis project. So we're meeting in various places

[0:00:17] Voice 7: across Coast Salish Territory. My name is Toby Elliott. I'm elected here on Gabriela Island in

[0:00:23] Voice 7: Stenemach First Nation Territory but of course your two local trustees, Trustee Maude and Trustee

[0:00:30] Voice 7: Janine Dodds are in, likely, Maine, in Sinchothan-speaking people's territory and the home of the Wissanich

[0:00:38] Voice 7: people.

[0:00:39] Voice 7: So good to be with you all.

[0:00:41] Voice 7: I'm going to turn it over to staff, but I'll just introduce, we've got William Shulbaugh,

[0:00:47] Voice 7: freshwater specialist with the Islands Trust, staff planner Nerissa Chadwick, Carly Bilney

[0:00:54] Voice 7: is in the background as a recorder.

[0:00:55] Voice 7: order and I think we'll just turn it over to you William for further introductions thank you great

[0:01:04] Voice 3: thank you so much um chair and Elliot and thank you for the main uh local trust committee for

[0:01:11] Voice 3: having having us on a special meeting um I I like uh cherry it said I'm senior freshwater specialist

[0:01:19] Voice 3: what's the Honest Trust and I've been the project lead on the suitable land analysis for almost six

[0:01:27] Voice 3: months now actually it's longer than that eight months and I've been involved with the project

[0:01:32] Voice 3: for about two years and the project started a little bit before that I was brought into the

[0:01:40] Voice 3: project to steward through freshwater information and data into the suitable land analysis and

[0:01:47] Voice 3: And when we had challenges in our information services and our GIS department, I took a lead role to kind of weather that storm of lack of resources.

[0:02:00] Voice 3: And in that time, we have contracted Landon Matichak from Cedar Shore Consulting.

[0:02:08] Voice 3: And I'll just turn it over to Landon to introduce himself and provide some background to his expertise in this project.

[0:02:19] Voice 3: Thanks.

[0:02:21] Voice 1: Thanks, William.

[0:02:22] Voice 1: I'm excited to be here today and share with everyone what we've been working on.

[0:02:27] Voice 1: My name is Landon.

[0:02:29] Voice 1: I'm a GIS scientist and researcher and been working with the Islands Trust for the past

[0:02:36] Voice 1: four years on various projects and as William said working on the suitable land analysis for

[0:02:42] Voice 1: the last six months. In addition to that I've worked with the City of Victoria, provincial

[0:02:48] Voice 1: government and various NGOs throughout the province. Also conducting research and studying

[0:02:55] Voice 1: at UBC as part of my PhD, focusing on habitat restoration, particularly methods of water

[0:03:06] Voice 1: storage, sediment storage, and habitat creation.

[0:03:09] Voice 1: So looking forward to sharing with everyone what we've been working on and listening for

[0:03:14] Voice 1: your feedback as well.

[0:03:16] Voice 6: Great.

[0:03:21] Voice 3: Thanks so much, Landon.

[0:03:22] Voice 3: um yeah so without further ado uh let's be kind of a not a tech focused uh thing but i'll have um

[0:03:30] Voice 3: two uh methods of presenting i'm going to have a um a powerpoint presentation which will be

[0:03:38] Voice 3: available to um to to the main ltc and to the public following we'll just do a pdf of it and

[0:03:45] Voice 3: then i am also be presenting the suitable line analysis map where we'll be getting into the the

[0:03:51] Voice 3: the actual data and the layers.

[0:03:53] Voice 3: And so if there's any questions about the specifics

[0:03:57] Voice 3: of any given layer that I'm talking about or attribute,

[0:04:03] Voice 3: rest assured I'll just run through every layer

[0:04:06] Voice 3: when we open up the PDF map.

[0:04:10] Voice 3: I'm gonna share my screen now on my presentation PC

[0:04:20] Voice 3: and I trust everyone can see that

[0:04:22] Voice 3: cause I can see it on my computer.

[0:04:24] Voice 6: okay

[0:04:24] Voice 3: yeah so let's just uh get right into it there we go a little bit of a lag but that's fine

[0:04:33] Voice 3: so um i i don't want to belabor the the point of the object of the trust but i i always like to

[0:04:40] Voice 3: lead off um with the with the object of the trust that because it does really set the direction and

[0:04:48] Voice 3: and the tone of of the suitable land analysis and and you know at the core we're we're looking

[0:04:55] Voice 3: looking to preserve and protect the trust and the trust area and the unique amenities

[0:05:00] Voice 3: and environment for the benefit of the residents and for Greater British Columbia and for those

[0:05:09] Voice 3: who have their territory and traditional means of living on the islands.

[0:05:22] Voice 3: um and that this work is in cooperation with um with other partners and agencies we are we're

[0:05:31] Voice 3: using information and data that is generated within the islands trust through our projects

[0:05:37] Voice 3: but also using information from from third party from from the provincial government

[0:05:43] Voice 3: from the regional district and we're hoping that we can engage further in in in more of

[0:05:52] Voice 3: the social science aspect of it to to include values um from from first nation and other

[0:06:00] Voice 3: organizations um you'll see that largely those those values are i keep saying layers mapping

[0:06:08] Voice 3: mapping layers, but essentially their values are absent from this first go at the suitable

[0:06:15] Voice 3: land analysis.

[0:06:16] Voice 3: So there's a lot to be explored and by no means is this a static output.

[0:06:25] Voice 3: This is meant to be the first step in undertaking suitable land analysis.

[0:06:29] Voice 3: And the interesting thing about undertaking this work on Main Island is that Narissa and I have already worked with the local trust committee to look at suitable, it was almost like a suitable land analysis light when we started with specific values around groundwater resources.

[0:06:52] Voice 3: resources and so um yeah I'm looking forward to having that conversation with you and and and

[0:06:57] Voice 3: when Landon and I were were working through the the the new map that on on how close that we got

[0:07:05] Voice 3: to identifying potential areas of suitability for increase in in in intensity and density of land

[0:07:13] Voice 3: to use some for the alternative housing project so the suitable land analysis is a tool that's

[0:07:22] Voice 3: designed to evaluate and prioritize areas across the islands trust for sustainable development

[0:07:30] Voice 3: while emphasizing environmental conservation and community resilience the tool as i said

[0:07:37] Voice 3: integrates data on ecological need,

[0:07:41] Voice 3: freshwater, transportation, infrastructure

[0:07:44] Voice 3: to help support land use decisions.

[0:07:48] Voice 3: By no means is this a one-stop shop

[0:07:52] Voice 3: of adjudicating a particular application

[0:07:56] Voice 3: or identifying with certainty an area

[0:08:01] Voice 3: that can be expanded for development.

[0:08:04] Voice 3: This is a reconnaissance tool.

[0:08:06] Voice 3: It is our best way to integrate all these pieces of information together to provide analysis to the local trust committee on potential areas of suitable lands.

[0:08:20] Voice 3: The opposite of it, what this analysis has done to identify areas of unsuitability is there's less confidence in that.

[0:08:38] Voice 3: And what I mean by that is that this tool has been developed to identify areas of suitability, not to find areas of such unsuitability to, say, engage in conversations around looking for conservation covenants or such.

[0:08:59] Voice 3: such. The Islands Trust Conservancy has their regional conservation tool which does that

[0:09:06] Voice 3: as their main objective and this tool undertakes the similar type of methodology and I'll talk

[0:09:16] Voice 3: about that in a moment. So on the topic of objectives, so the objectives of the SLA are

[0:09:24] Voice 3: to identify areas that are suitable for additional residential density while prioritizing

[0:09:29] Voice 3: environmental conservation so um as as uh planner chadwick will speak later on that this is a tool

[0:09:37] Voice 3: within the housing toolkit and that's where this project um is based out of uh it's we're trying

[0:09:43] Voice 3: to support land use decision making using evidence-based um information and and and using

[0:09:50] Voice 3: geospatial analysis is just a fancy term of taking all of our maps and making sense of them and and

[0:09:56] Voice 3: and asking that mapping and information that comes from it,

[0:10:01] Voice 3: asking it questions.

[0:10:02] Voice 3: And our question is, where is the best possible area

[0:10:07] Voice 3: for sustainable development on the islands?

[0:10:13] Voice 3: And here, this is almost an ambitious objective

[0:10:19] Voice 3: to integrate ecological, social, and economic factors into planning.

[0:10:23] Voice 3: the economic factors like we don't really have specific layers to that same with the

[0:10:30] Voice 3: the social layers there's there's likely room for improvement there or or at least using

[0:10:38] Voice 3: social and economic factors in concert with the suitable line analysis tool when when the

[0:10:46] Voice 3: local trust committee is engaging in in updating or aligning official community plans or

[0:10:53] Voice 3: land use bylaws with with our planners so this is a tool for to be used by um like through the

[0:11:01] Voice 3: through those processes uh so the methodology uh involved collating and processing data steps so

[0:11:10] Voice 3: one of the um outcomes from from contracting uh land in to undertake this work is to further um

[0:11:23] Voice 3: process and and and uh i guess refine the uh uh data sets that we have that can be

[0:11:32] Voice 3: in a quite a raw form or or there can be challenges with with the with the type of data

[0:11:39] Voice 3: especially um same data from island to island can change um based on its geographic location and

[0:11:48] Voice 3: and and when that mapping was done so uh through this project we tried to harmonize that into a um

[0:11:56] Voice 3: into a robust methodology um we've undertaken uh watershed resiliency mapping that i'll have

[0:12:04] Voice 3: line and speak to that um when we look at the data part of the presentation and um yeah i've

[0:12:12] Voice 3: said all these things already um so we used uh esri's uh arc pro students uh suitability modeling

[0:12:20] Voice 3: tour tool and this was um established by uh robert uh regional planning manager kojima and um a

[0:12:31] Voice 3: previous uh information systems manager the the the basics of the methodology were were created

[0:12:40] Voice 3: did well before I was even involved in the project. Um, and so the, the application was

[0:12:47] Voice 3: based on a multi-criteria dishes and analysis, and it's just a fancy word for saying what we're

[0:12:53] Voice 3: doing, taking all these layers together and, and comparing them to each other and, and, and trying

[0:12:58] Voice 3: to calculate them into one final product, um, from 10 different data sets. And, um, yeah, and then,

[0:13:07] Voice 3: And then you'll see in the map, we're going to overlay other data sets or layers for orientation purposes.

[0:13:14] Voice 3: So we have parcels and roads and ALR lands and covenants, those areas that likely would not be a candidate for expanded development.

[0:13:25] Voice 3: So we've put those onto the map as well to try to train the eye to areas that can possibly be available for suitable development.

[0:13:37] Voice 3: So, yeah, at the basic level, we have three themes.

[0:13:43] Voice 3: We have freshwater and environment and then infrastructure.

[0:13:46] Voice 3: And they all lay on top of each other to potentially find areas of suitability.

[0:13:53] Voice 3: And so, as I said, there's 10 different layers or I like calling them values.

[0:13:59] Voice 3: values. And I'll get to why I keep coming back to that term values. I mean, like community

[0:14:10] Voice 3: values, not numerical value. So under environment, we have marine shore adjacency, sensitive

[0:14:18] Voice 3: ecosystem mapping, at-risk ecological communities, and dominant age of forest, which can also

[0:14:25] Voice 3: to be the like the maturity of the forest

[0:14:27] Voice 6: under

[0:14:28] Voice 3: freshwater we have groundwater recharge mapping

[0:14:31] Voice 3: groundwater well density watershed resiliency and saltwater intrusion risk and then under

[0:14:37] Voice 3: infrastructure there's road access and steep slopes and geohazards and i think in this section

[0:14:43] Voice 3: we could engage in a conversation of looking at multimodal transportation or or like other

[0:14:51] Voice 3: community amenities proximity to village and all those things that that um there's an opportunity

[0:14:56] Voice 3: there to to increase the um the conversation under infrastructure and how that aligns with

[0:15:04] Voice 3: suitability so i i know there's a lot here um but i would like you to focus on um the themes so

[0:15:14] Voice 3: we're still talking the same themes talking about the same layers that i just introduced just put

[0:15:19] Voice 3: the minute table form and uh in this column here the overall theme weighting this is a other of

[0:15:26] Voice 3: a hundred so uh environment and fresh water are balanced um to the overall suitable land analysis

[0:15:35] Voice 3: and infrastructure is is half of that and each layer has been provided um a suitability weighting

[0:15:45] Voice 3: of 10 out of 100 so they're all equally weighted so what that means is that the the the value of

[0:15:54] Voice 3: or the concern right if you want to look at it that way of say groundwater well density

[0:15:59] Voice 3: is the same as the adjacency to growth they're they're they're equal weighting uh in the analysis

[0:16:07] Voice 3: And it's in this part of the analysis that the local trust committee and the community has the opportunity to express their values, to express where concern lies.

[0:16:28] Voice 3: And so the opportunity is we can rerun the suitable land analysis tool.

[0:16:36] Voice 3: The turnaround time is several business days to a week or so.

[0:16:43] Voice 3: The intent, one of the opportunities is that we can design a tool where we can do this in real time, but we don't have that now.

[0:16:53] Voice 3: so if there's a discussion to say you know we really care about um sensitive ecosystems on

[0:16:59] Voice 3: main island and the the you know risk of saltwater intrusion is is not as much of a concern um

[0:17:10] Voice 3: you can drop the risk of saltwater intrusion down to five points and and then take that five points

[0:17:16] Voice 3: and add it to sensitive ecosystems to increase that value and and that would push the suitable

[0:17:21] Voice 3: land analysis to to have suitable lands or unsuitable lands that are more based on sets

[0:17:27] Voice 3: of ecosystems so this is an opportunity where the the local trust committee can um um and the

[0:17:35] Voice 3: community like in a conversation can can um influence the suitable analysis um i'm just

[0:17:44] Voice 3: going to skip past this actually no i'm going to i'll i'll stay on on this on this section here so

[0:17:50] Voice 3: So I want to, actually, I'll go to freshwater.

[0:17:55] Voice 3: It's easier to describe.

[0:17:57] Voice 3: So there are elements of the suitable land analysis

[0:18:00] Voice 3: that aren't open for opportunity to change.

[0:18:03] Voice 3: And that's the classification of each layer

[0:18:09] Voice 3: and its corresponding suitability.

[0:18:12] Voice 3: So for groundwater well density,

[0:18:14] Voice 3: so the data set that I generated for the Islands Trust area

[0:18:18] Voice 3: and it shows that very low groundwater density is a classification value of less than one well

[0:18:27] Voice 3: per square kilometer and a very high groundwater well density is more than 30 wells per square

[0:18:34] Voice 3: kilometer and generally speaking uh and we have qualitative and quantitative evidence for this

[0:18:42] Voice 3: the alien trust area that a very high groundwater well density area equals a very low suitability

[0:18:49] Voice 3: due to increasing water quality and quantity issues um and so the these values here to say

[0:18:59] Voice 3: okay well how do we know that moderate is 10 to 20 wells per square kilometer that that's through

[0:19:06] Voice 3: research and analysis um and and how they correspond to suitability factor is the same

[0:19:14] Voice 3: it's it's through either research and analysis or or specialist um i guess analysis or opinion

[0:19:24] Voice 3: so going to uh we're looking at say marine uh uh sense of ecosystems oh i see the suitability

[0:19:32] Voice 3: rating is not correct these should just be all 10 so i apologize for that but um that's fine this is

[0:19:39] Voice 3: just a just a chart but but to to look at um uh uh like the the sensitive ecosystem uh classes

[0:19:51] Voice 3: there's several on on the island and they were all provided a classification of very low suitability

[0:20:02] Voice 3: and where sensitive ecosystems do not exist there's just a suitability of it's a very high

[0:20:12] Voice 3: suitability because there's there's no sense of ecosystems map there so that that's just per that

[0:20:20] Voice 3: that layer it or that value doesn't mean that those areas that aren't that do not have sensitive

[0:20:27] Voice 3: because of our our very high overall suitability just per that layer it's not and so another

[0:20:34] Voice 3: layer we have here is at-risk ecological communities and there's this classification

[0:20:41] Voice 3: is from the province so there's yellow blue and red for at-risk ecological communities and

[0:20:48] Voice 3: And the very high to low suitability rating was provided by the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:21:00] Voice 3: So a lot of these suitability factors, like for marine shore adjacency, this was provided to us from the ITC.

[0:21:07] Voice 3: So they were involved in classifying these attributes within these layer values before I was involved in the project.

[0:21:24] Voice 3: And so on the community level or on the LTC level or even on the planner level, even for myself, you know, I don't have the specialty to go in and say, well, I know the channel has a low suitability factor that's already given to us.

[0:21:42] Voice 3: So I hope that's clear.

[0:21:45] Voice 3: clear and um yeah so we're we're about midway through the presentation and i i see that there

[0:21:54] Voice 3: is some chat i don't know if any of those are directed towards me yeah

[0:21:59] Voice 4: okay

[0:22:00] Voice 2: that's just uh

[0:22:01] Voice 2: yeah

[0:22:01] Voice 4: davis we we all have um signal problems and so he's just taking his video off he can still

[0:22:08] Voice 4: hear and talk

[0:22:09] Voice 3: oh oh good once

[0:22:11] Voice 4: once it gets wobbly you have to shut your video off

[0:22:14] Voice 3: okay yeah um

[0:22:16] Voice 3: And

[0:22:17] Voice 4: he's in a very different part of the island than I am.

[0:22:20] Voice 3: Okay. I hope I'm coming across okay.

[0:22:24] Voice 3: Well, power and connectivity are okay here on Salt Spring Island for the time being.

[0:22:31] Voice 3: Okay. So we're going to switch over to a demonstration of the layers of the suitable land analysis here.

[0:22:42] Voice 3: And what this is, is it's a layered PDF, portable document format, that it's an output from our mapping software.

[0:22:58] Voice 3: And it's a little bit clunky, but it's an attempt to share this information with not only the planners, but also, well, like the LTC in this presentation method, but perhaps we can share it in this way to partners, First Nation or conservancy groups,

[0:23:25] Voice 3: groups or whomever who who would like to look at the data um there's other opportunities to to make

[0:23:31] Voice 3: this better so the project team London and I have with the planners and and and when we presented

[0:23:37] Voice 3: this idea to the uh Hornby local trust committee they were warm to it as well as to create more of

[0:23:44] Voice 3: a dynamic tool for for the suitable land analysis where it can be an online experience and can click

[0:23:50] Voice 3: layers on and off and also change around suitability um zoom into down to the parcel

[0:23:57] Voice 3: level if you'd like that um so that that's something that we're not working on right now

[0:24:03] Voice 3: it's out of the scope but it's it's it's a opportunity and a possible technical possibility

[0:24:08] Voice 3: if um if the ltc finds interest in that one of the suggestions is to pass a resolution to

[0:24:17] Voice 3: to have the Regional Planning Committee consider that

[0:24:22] Voice 3: because it would be more of a federation-wide tool

[0:24:24] Voice 3: at that point.

[0:24:26] Voice 3: So I'm going to actually pause,

[0:24:30] Voice 3: if you don't mind, Chair Elliott,

[0:24:31] Voice 3: pause for questions if there are any

[0:24:34] Voice 3: because we'll be flopping over

[0:24:37] Voice 3: to another presentation tool.

[0:24:43] Voice 7: Yeah, I think we can be pretty informal

[0:24:44] Voice 7: if people just want to ask your questions, go for it.

[0:24:48] Voice 7: yeah

[0:24:52] Voice 8: my only thing is is that the map is just so small yeah it's really hard to

[0:24:58] Voice 8: to like really understand that that size so yes sorry

[0:25:04] Voice 8: trustee yeah

[0:25:04] Voice 3: not to cut you off we're going

[0:25:07] Voice 3: to be flopping to a different presentation tool so so the map will be much bigger

[0:25:12] Voice 3: yeah yeah yeah

[0:25:13] Voice 3: this was just a so

[0:25:14] Voice 3: far okay thank you yeah this was just a screenshot just i

[0:25:19] Voice 4: i just wanted to

[0:25:21] Voice 4: mentioned the issue going back to what you were talking about wells and and density of how many

[0:25:25] Voice 4: wells within a certain area i mean realistically whatever land we would identify as being available

[0:25:31] Voice 4: for more intense development would also be on a very moderate scale and would would not envision

[0:25:40] Voice 4: like high density of of multiple dwellings all drilling their own well they would go into water

[0:25:46] Voice 4: systems which is where the majority of our population currently gets water from is out of

[0:25:51] Voice 4: water system water districts so not in well oh

[0:25:56] Voice 3: thank you for trust thank you for that trusty

[0:25:58] Voice 3: dots because i mean i um i i think that um i gotta be really careful with my words here but i think

[0:26:09] Voice 3: main island has done it right with small water systems compared to other islands i won't mention

[0:26:17] Voice 3: names that have

[0:26:18] Voice 3: extremely dense subdivisions with a well per lot septic per lot uh solution

[0:26:25] Voice 3: and and this the suitable land analysis tool identifies that in maine so it's a good point

[0:26:35] Voice 3: because the the groundwater well density um on maine island it is good to inform those areas

[0:26:45] Voice 3: that are well per lot but

[0:26:47] Voice 3: but in in in the in the water system areas it really skews the

[0:26:54] Voice 3: the results of being really favorable because there's only one or two wells for 50 lots or

[0:27:01] Voice 3: whatever so and and yeah and and and that was great because it leads like Len and I were talking

[0:27:08] Voice 3: about well how can we do more analysis on that to show how much more sustainable it is to have small

[0:27:16] Voice 3: water systems in dense subdivisions than having a well per lot and and perhaps if if that information

[0:27:24] Voice 3: was compelling enough start to start the conversation on well in in the in the throes of

[0:27:32] Voice 3: climate change water resources are going to get more vulnerable so do we have to focus on these

[0:27:37] Voice 3: dense subdivisions with well per lot and start combining some of these lots and wells into a

[0:27:44] Voice 3: small water system so yeah thanks for bringing that up

[0:27:49] Voice 4: and that opens up the bigger issue where

[0:27:51] Voice 4: where the ministries will not allow you to basically like for future development if you

[0:27:58] Voice 4: wanted to develop a small four lot subdivision then they wouldn't allow you to have a they don't

[0:28:05] Voice 4: allow you to have a small water district anymore so that's a lobbying issue where we actually can

[0:28:10] Voice 4: take this and and work with getting that change that more realistically the properties that we

[0:28:16] Voice 4: have that could be developed should also be on water systems not individual wells so so that's

[0:28:22] Voice 4: for the future to think about too of how we could get them to change that right now i'm not aware of

[0:28:27] Voice 4: water i guess the one that we did for the salish grove is approved but i've always understood it

[0:28:34] Voice 4: was a challenge to do any kind of subdivision with a water district uh

[0:28:39] Voice 3: well yeah i we should

[0:28:42] Voice 3: this is a whole topic that we should get into for sure well it's a good one and i think

[0:28:49] Voice 3: maybe a good idea is for me to put down some of that analysis into a staff report because

[0:28:54] Voice 3: you're right the improvement districts likely won't get another one like they're trying to

[0:29:00] Voice 3: to roll those out of existence um but small water systems like like strata's have small water

[0:29:08] Voice 3: systems um technically speaking if you have two dwelling units on a lot you have to have a water

[0:29:15] Voice 3: system which i just

[0:29:16] Voice 3: learned of this year from one of

[0:29:18] Voice 3: our drinking water consultants from island

[0:29:20] Voice 3: health so so small water systems are a go improvement districts are not and and and there

[0:29:26] Voice 3: There can be a challenge there once you get over four dwelling units, because then

[0:29:32] Voice 3: you go to the gray zone between a large water system or a utility, and then you have to have a certificate of public convenience and necessity.

[0:29:43] Voice 3: And then there's bonds that could be up towards a million dollars, and it can get really

[0:29:49] Voice 3: complex.

[0:29:50] Voice 3: Plaques. Yeah. And so I think you're right. I think there, there can be an area-based

[0:29:55] Voice 3: regulation for the Island Trust Area that allows for small water.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: for under five dwelling units or something like that that is way more straightforward than what

[0:30:06] Voice 3: it is right now of course you have to find the water source and get source approval and if it's

[0:30:10] Voice 3: well you have to get your license and all those things are still normal but it's the it's like

[0:30:16] Voice 3: the ownership and the operation of the water system that yeah like the bigger water systems

[0:30:22] Voice 3: on main island it'd be hard to do another one like that but

[0:30:25] Voice 6: absolutely yeah

[0:30:27] Voice 3: yeah okay great

[0:30:29] Voice 3: Great. Well, I'm going to just quickly get out of my presentation here and the hazard of showing something on my computer that I don't need to.

[0:30:40] Voice 3: Oh, perfect. Okay, great. So, yeah, I'll just zoom out a little bit just to show that this is like actually a piece of paper and, you know, we have a scale bar and Lennon knows what he's doing.

[0:30:54] Voice 3: to he would pass my cartography course but uh i'm just going to zoom in because it's just going to

[0:31:01] Voice 3: be better for us to get more island and i apologize on you still haven't figured out how to make this

[0:31:08] Voice 3: text bigger on the side but um as i go i'll explain what layers i'm opening and and if you

[0:31:15] Voice 3: have any um questions or or need me to clarify something please um stop me or walk through the

[0:31:24] Voice 3: chair um and i'll i'll do my best so first things first beautiful main island and uh we'll turn on

[0:31:33] Voice 3: some roads just to orientate everybody and some parcels too and i think i'm just going to leave

[0:31:39] Voice 3: these on for the duration and if you maybe i'll turn roads off because they're a little bit bright

[0:31:45] Voice 3: but um yeah we'll we'll just start there for now and and then and then we'll go we'll go from there

[0:31:51] Voice 3: and i'll also be using covenants and agricultural land um and i i have to admit that we didn't find

[0:32:02] Voice 3: a parks layer so there's there's there's parkland here that that we need to we need to we need to

[0:32:10] Voice 3: get that layer it wasn't on for sure it wasn't

[0:32:13] Voice 3: on it wasn't on our bc parks layer for some reason

[0:32:15] Voice 3: so we just have to have to do that because i know that there's also regional district land that

[0:32:21] Voice 3: that is probably likely covered um i'm sure you you know these big parcels better than i do

[0:32:27] Voice 3: right and then and then there's the this is this

[0:32:30] Voice 3: is first nation right so um so those areas of

[0:32:34] Voice 3: course um are are are not going to be available for for for suitable development or well i shouldn't

[0:32:45] Voice 3: say that but they're they're they should be outside the scope of what we're doing here

[0:32:49] Voice 3: um so when we when we open up the suitable analysis then we'll um yeah we'll just keep

[0:32:55] Voice 3: that in mind i'm just going to turn this off right now so i think i'm going to do i would say

[0:33:02] Voice 3: this like a quentin tarantino movie we'll we'll go we'll go last verse and i'll just turn on the

[0:33:07] Voice 3: the suitable analysis and then and then just just to show what it looks like and then we'll go

[0:33:13] Voice 3: through each layer on on um on how we got there so this is the i'm going to turn off the roads

[0:33:19] Voice 3: actually um because the parcels show good enough uh so so overall here the the more green leaning

[0:33:30] Voice 3: is suitable uh yellow is moderate so it's kind of in the middle and and and red leaning is is

[0:33:41] Voice 3: is leaning towards unsuitable lands.

[0:33:45] Voice 3: And as we were discussing before

[0:33:49] Voice 3: on how the, I have wells here,

[0:33:53] Voice 3: let's just turn on the wells before I get to that.

[0:33:55] Voice 3: So you can see in these very densely populated areas

[0:34:00] Voice 3: that the wells are, the well density is quite low

[0:34:04] Voice 3: compared to other areas of the island.

[0:34:08] Voice 3: And so in those locations,

[0:34:11] Voice 3: you can see that suitability is high in in the in the densest areas um i

[0:34:18] Voice 4: don't have many wells

[0:34:19] Voice 4: on my property and you're showing many many wells so i would question the well density um yeah so

[0:34:26] Voice 3: i

[0:34:26] Voice 4: only have one one

[0:34:29] Voice 3: yeah yeah so yeah no this is great because i mean we had the same

[0:34:35] Voice 3: kind of conversation with with the horn bltc right so they know they know the lands and

[0:34:40] Voice 3: and and the wells um come from the um the groundwater well uh registry and and the

[0:34:49] Voice 3: groundwater well registry was was voluntary for 2016 and and and when and since it hasn't been

[0:35:00] Voice 3: and when i first started in 2017 it was a mess like there was like let me turn on those walls

[0:35:06] Voice 3: again there's wells in the ocean and there's wells all over the place right and and

[0:35:12] Voice 3: so it's getting

[0:35:14] Voice 3: it's getting better and better over time but now it's time to to you know honor what you're saying

[0:35:22] Voice 3: there is like well let's just look at the properties that have like five wells on them

[0:35:27] Voice 3: like what's actually going on there they we did take out abandoned wells but there's there's also

[0:35:33] Voice 3: altered wells and closed wells that we left on because closed wells technically can be turned

[0:35:38] Voice 3: on again so they technically can be a point source of water so yeah this is straight from the wells

[0:35:44] Voice 3: registry um and and to that point we created no data for this

[0:35:51] Voice 6: project

[0:35:52] Voice 3: right this is all layers

[0:35:54] Voice 3: that are existing so even the groundwater recharge mapping project which which you know i would

[0:35:59] Voice 3: consider a steward of that data set we we didn't we didn't do any analysis on it beyond just

[0:36:08] Voice 3: aligning it to a suitability level so um and so definitely point taken and and there's been a lot

[0:36:17] Voice 3: of good discussion around the efficacy of this data and and i'm definitely taking notes but um

[0:36:23] Voice 3: you know we weren't in the business of fixing any of the data for the suitable analysis okay

[0:36:29] Voice 2: well just yeah i

[0:36:30] Voice 8: would double down on that because they along you probably don't know

[0:36:35] Voice 8: the road but beachwood every lot space um got a well on it

[0:36:39] Voice 6: and

[0:36:41] Voice 8: there's basically none shown

[0:36:44] Voice 8: uh yes so that's there there there's some some some massive missing data well

[0:36:52] Voice 3: it's not missing

[0:36:53] Voice 3: missing data it's missing registration right so these all would have been developed in the last

[0:37:00] Voice 3: say um 20 years

[0:37:02] Voice 6: five to 20 years yeah

[0:37:03] Voice 3: yeah so you know that the old boys who drilled these wells

[0:37:07] Voice 3: weren't too they're reluctant on supplying their their

[0:37:13] Voice 8: no but some of these wells were like drilled

[0:37:15] Voice 8: in the last two years to three years um because there's been a massive amount of construction

[0:37:22] Voice 8: along there every house has had a well drilled but

[0:37:25] Voice 8: unfortunately every one of those wells have

[0:37:27] Voice 8: come up full of arsenic contaminated such of arsenic oh yeah i

[0:37:31] Voice 8: mean you can you could treat

[0:37:32] Voice 8: because everybody along beach was basically a rainwater catchment but everybody's got a well

[0:37:38] Voice 8: for the garden right because the crd made them drill wells for for the house but the water came

[0:37:46] Voice 8: back totally unsuitable

[0:37:47] Voice 3: yeah well that's there is a challenge there for sure because i mean if the

[0:37:52] Voice 3: wells were drilled since 2016 they need to be registered so and if it's yeah

[0:37:58] Voice 8: and i've seen the

[0:38:00] Voice 8: registry tags on the well set so well the tags are different than the records yeah

[0:38:04] Voice 3: okay yeah no no but

[0:38:06] Voice 3: if if it's one particular driller then that's good to know because then they're just not complying

[0:38:13] Voice 3: with the regulation and so i'm not trying to i'm not trying to be like um i don't know obtuse here

[0:38:21] Voice 3: but or i don't know if that's the right word but um uh that that it's it's not you know the data is

[0:38:28] Voice 3: we just downloaded this data set from the bc data catalog so it's the most up-to-date wells registry

[0:38:34] Voice 3: that they have so and and they're not that far behind on wells registry it's pretty much almost

[0:38:39] Voice 3: automatic so if there are if there's a neighborhood of missing well data then let's let's take that

[0:38:47] Voice 3: offline and and i would like to know more about that because then we could just put in an inquiry

[0:38:52] Voice 3: to the province and see what's going on because the the well this is a really great data set

[0:38:58] Voice 3: to use and so we need to i i think it's time to go to the micro level on on the wells data to

[0:39:06] Voice 3: to make sure like there's there's this cluster here where like this was the um i think you see

[0:39:12] Voice 3: see my hand this is where we um uh identified earlier on the the possible area of of you know

[0:39:22] Voice 3: consideration for for alternative housing right and and there's just so many wells there and it's

[0:39:28] Voice 3: like how realistic is that right

[0:39:30] Voice 4: but there isn't there isn't like i just yeah

[0:39:32] Voice 4: yeah so just keep in

[0:39:34] Voice 4: mind that what they're showing here just does not exist on the ground yeah

[0:39:38] Voice 8: i think between trustee

[0:39:40] Voice 8: dots to myself, we could probably highlight a lot.

[0:39:41] Voice 8: Say that channel view, basically

[0:39:43] Voice 8: the bottom quadrant of the island,

[0:39:46] Voice 8: that subdivision

[0:39:47] Voice 8: close to Saturna.

[0:39:49] Voice 8: Every one of those losses has got a well on it.

[0:39:52] Voice 8: And there's not one well shown.

[0:39:53] Voice 8: And they were all developed in the last 10, 15

[0:39:55] Voice 8: years.

[0:40:00] Voice 8: I would just say

[0:40:02] Voice 8: that the little blue dots are not very

[0:40:03] Voice 8: accurate.

[0:40:05] Voice 4: Totally.

[0:40:07] Voice 3: Well, I'm hoping that

[0:40:09] Voice 3: Oh, and the blue dots are some of them, you know, like, of course, like missing data is missing data, misplaced data is is worse, of course, but

[0:40:22] Voice 3: Anyway, looking at

[0:40:24] Voice 4: miners bay and how many. Yeah. So anyhow, there, there's some serious issues where how they have positioned the wells.

[0:40:30] Voice 4: so we will sure just put that in your information package because i'm sure if we took our map around

[0:40:37] Voice 4: and we went door to door and put put actual because right now you're showing like in punches

[0:40:42] Voice 4: which is now owned by d mckay um glenn glennwood farm is showing like one two three four fox yeah

[0:40:50] Voice 4: like about eight wells on his property and i think from my knowledge there's only ever been one well

[0:40:55] Voice 4: well so on my property you're showing one two three you're showing eight wells i only have one

[0:41:01] Voice 4: which has been there since the 70s and is registered so so so there's some serious issues

[0:41:06] Voice 4: with it but we can deal with that another time

[0:41:09] Voice 3: yeah i mean sometimes the the wells exist they're

[0:41:13] Voice 3: just not being the place that

[0:41:15] Voice 4: i've been here a long time we didn't have wells until in the 60s

[0:41:20] Voice 4: so the families are still here so those wells don't exist yeah

[0:41:25] Voice 3: and the there's

[0:41:26] Voice 4: not that many

[0:41:27] Voice 4: well drillers yeah

[0:41:30] Voice 3: some of them are easier to work with than others um

[0:41:33] Voice 4: but they have come to me

[0:41:34] Voice 4: so we also know who who drills wells here in the past

[0:41:38] Voice 3: yes

[0:41:39] Voice 4: okay yeah

[0:41:41] Voice 3: and on salt spring when

[0:41:43] Voice 3: when we first started working with this data set when it was really bad like this is not bad

[0:41:48] Voice 3: as it was for sure um what we did is we took bc assessment data and we did an intersection of

[0:41:56] Voice 3: we're looking at vacant and non-vacant lots and then we were looking at um if it was a non-vacant

[0:42:04] Voice 3: lot with uh no well and it wasn't in a water system then it was flagged as a as a parcel to

[0:42:10] Voice 3: go look at and similarly if there was a parcel that had five or six wells on it that was the

[0:42:15] Voice 3: parcel the flag so you know but you know i i i can see that that you're training your eyes to

[0:42:25] Voice 3: these areas of issue which is great um and that's that's what we would need to do to to start solving

[0:42:32] Voice 3: these problems with the data set rather than just saying it's all bad and chasing around the entire

[0:42:36] Voice 3: island we just like focused on those vacant lots that don't have a well and focus on those wells

[0:42:41] Voice 3: or those lots that have tons of wells and and and hopefully you know go and also these dots are

[0:42:47] Voice 3: really big comparatively but yeah

[0:42:49] Voice 3: i i agree like i think in this area it's just it's the

[0:42:54] Voice 3: it's the center of the island so i think that's some of the problem

[0:42:57] Voice 4: and they and they definitely

[0:42:59] Voice 4: have individual wells on each lot and if we had a large map to look at then we would have a better

[0:43:04] Voice 4: idea but i'm picking we're picking out the ones that are clearly obviously have issues so so sure

[0:43:10] Voice 3: In terms of

[0:43:11] Voice 4: suitability in the future for Main Island, we would want to have a map that was more reflective of what actually is there.

[0:43:18] Voice 4: So

[0:43:19] Voice 3: to that point, there's two options here, opportunities.

[0:43:27] Voice 3: One is the freshwater atlas, which is rolling out in the near future, where trustees and individuals can go in and have a dynamic map to zoom in and out.

[0:43:38] Voice 3: And then also the opportunity that I suggested that Len and I were talking about having an online tool where trustees can go in and perhaps even just flag these things, you know, there's opportunity there too.

[0:43:51] Voice 3: Because this map is not, this is not going to help us with that, right?

[0:43:55] Voice 3: So, yeah.

[0:43:56] Voice 4: And our water distance app will give you up-to-date information too.

[0:44:00] Voice 4: So it's not just trustees.

[0:44:01] Voice 4: Our community could help you do it, right?

[0:44:04] Voice 4: I

[0:44:04] Voice 5: just wanted to identify that this is this one piece of data, and that it will become important to understand where the inaccuracies are, if that particular place on the, you know, if all the data shows, other data shows that it's a good place, and then suddenly you layer on the, or it's bad, whatever it is, the contrast, and then suddenly you layer this on, and it changes dramatically, then it becomes a real issue.

[0:44:31] Voice 5: but I think in the grand scheme of things, it only becomes an issue if you want to make a decision

[0:44:37] Voice 5: about that particular area. So there's the opportunity with all of the data to kind of

[0:44:43] Voice 5: drill in a little bit more. So

[0:44:45] Voice 8: to get away from the wells, so the north end of the island, there's

[0:44:51] Voice 8: a great big uh a red blob um up there yeah so i think i i really i i question that because

[0:45:00] Voice 8: that's known as spring hill um there it is surrounded by artesian wells and there's actually

[0:45:06] Voice 8: a spring at the top of the hill with with water coming out of it okay well hey

[0:45:11] Voice 3: yeah no this is

[0:45:12] Voice 8: great

[0:45:12] Voice 3: yeah look this is a good one to focus on right we'll focus on the subdivisions let's roll

[0:45:18] Voice 3: roll through the data because freshwater is just one it's

[0:45:22] Voice 5: just one element of all of it so let's

[0:45:24] Voice 3: let's roll through the data quickly because like is this only for an hour we have like 10 minutes

[0:45:28] Voice 3: yeah okay we got to stop this so let's just run through the data um so uh i'm going to take off

[0:45:37] Voice 3: the covenants and so this is again um and to your point trustee mod is that the the confidence lies

[0:45:47] Voice 3: on the areas that we identified as suitable or highly suitable or even marginal that the low

[0:45:54] Voice 3: suitability stuff is we're less confident on but we know that it's it's likely not suitable for

[0:45:59] Voice 3: for development and and you'll see the the layers that push it that way so this is this green area

[0:46:06] Voice 3: so the darkest green is the most suitable and and the light and then it goes to light green which

[0:46:12] Voice 3: is moderate and then everything that you see through like let me turn off the imagery all

[0:46:17] Voice 3: all the white is unsuitable according to our analysis.

[0:46:24] Voice 3: Like this is fine.

[0:46:25] Voice 5: So William, that's all of the data together.

[0:46:29] Voice 3: This is all the data together.

[0:46:31] Voice 3: This is the suitable land analysis tool,

[0:46:33] Voice 3: just not in the red green thing.

[0:46:35] Voice 3: We're just saying the green is like basically

[0:46:39] Voice 3: from the median to the maximum of suitability.

[0:46:42] Voice 3: And then from the median or the middle

[0:46:45] Voice 3: to zero of suitability is all in white.

[0:46:49] Voice 3: so basically

[0:46:49] Voice 8: unsuitable lands are white yeah so i i well trusty dodge is probably gonna say

[0:46:53] Voice 8: the same thing as i'm gonna say like miners bay um most of those wells um have got saltwater

[0:47:00] Voice 8: intrusion um yeah there's a big blob of green there

[0:47:04] Voice 3: yeah sure yeah let's let's um no i like

[0:47:07] Voice 3: this let's jump around i don't have to go in order so this is this let me what else is on here

[0:47:13] Voice 3: let me take off that so this is what we have for saltwater intrusion mapping

[0:47:19] Voice 3: you know it's pretty ugly which is

[0:47:22] Voice 3: right

[0:47:22] Voice 6: so

[0:47:25] Voice 3: so so the yeah so the red is is unsuitable so it's it's um it's the the most

[0:47:34] Voice 3: amount of saltwater intrusion where the green is is um like low saltwater intrusion

[0:47:43] Voice 3: and and and yellow is is moderately yellow is at risk though i would say like it's

[0:47:50] Voice 6: it's still at

[0:47:51] Voice 3: risk um and i i'm this is mapping that was done four years ago um and islands trust was an external

[0:48:02] Voice 3: on the project and and um we were like there's some serious problems with this mapping i'm just

[0:48:09] Voice 3: just going to be completely honest so so that you know it's an area of weakness right when you have

[0:48:16] Voice 3: an area a layer that we're not too confident on let me move over to another um uh because i want

[0:48:25] Voice 3: to talk about let's turn on the parcels again sorry um i want to talk about that parcel again

[0:48:29] Voice 3: uh trustee mod because um imagine the sensitive ecosystem so see it so this is our sensitive

[0:48:38] Voice 3: of ecosystem mapping so like i said before that all the sense of ecosystems have mapped the sense

[0:48:44] Voice 3: of ecosystem at all it is unsuitable so all the red is areas that have maps done through the

[0:48:51] Voice 3: ecosystem um and uh it could be primary secondary tertiary they're all the same like we just said

[0:48:58] Voice 3: if there's sense of ecosystem there so like if it's a tertiary since ecosystem that's that little

[0:49:02] Voice 3: tiny wetland in the middle of a mixed woodland but so but it's like that in that polygon that

[0:49:07] Voice 3: little wetland even though it's not the dominant ecosystem it's it's sensitive

[0:49:13] Voice 3: yeah but again

[0:49:14] Voice 8: if we want to focus on that one lot it is a farm it's been

[0:49:20] Voice 8: fully logged and it's as I say is it's full of springs yes

[0:49:27] Voice 3: good let's go so

[0:49:28] Voice 8: it's really flagged as being saltwater intrusion which its artesian wells would

[0:49:34] Voice 8: would not really dictate that in my mind um but also i i wouldn't really be aware of any

[0:49:41] Voice 8: sense of ecosystems beyond what's what's normal within the trust uh well

[0:49:46] Voice 3: okay i'll just stop you

[0:49:49] Voice 3: there because we didn't map these sense of ecosystems right like like we can't we can't

[0:49:54] Voice 3: like we can discuss that for sure but what i'm saying is lennon and i didn't map any of the

[0:50:01] Voice 3: salt water or the sense of ecosystem this is just a data set and it's yeah so you know and i agree

[0:50:07] Voice 3: it's from 2012. it's it's ready to be updated right so um but i can see right now this parcel

[0:50:14] Voice 3: has been read through throughout um well except for marine shore adjacency um you know it's it's

[0:50:21] Voice 3: red throughout um the the environment and let's go recharge it's the recharge zone so so that's

[0:50:30] Voice 3: pushing it so this all the red is recharge so this is a good point like if you if you develop

[0:50:36] Voice 3: anywhere you're going to be impacting recharge regardless of where you develop right like

[0:50:40] Voice 3: there's going to be an impact to the environment and to freshwater if you develop anywhere and

[0:50:46] Voice 3: that's that's what this is showing right but

[0:50:49] Voice 8: most certainly but but in an area where there's

[0:50:52] Voice 8: artesian wells um is it really highlighted as being a recharge issue well

[0:51:00] Voice 3: artesian wells aren't

[0:51:02] Voice 3: always awesome artesian wells often are low producing and they often have and they're like

[0:51:08] Voice 3: all the artesian most of the artesian wells on salt spring on belcher have arsenic in them and

[0:51:15] Voice 3: they're low producing they're like one gallon a minute two gallons a minute so i mean everyone

[0:51:21] Voice 3: everyone wants an artesian until they get one um they're really difficult to manage so i wouldn't

[0:51:26] Voice 3: use that as a metric what we can look at though because the only thing we're looking at we're not

[0:51:31] Voice 3: using artesian wells as a metric which we could look look at something like that like more detailed

[0:51:36] Voice 3: hydrogeology the only hydrogeology we have right now is well as density and you can see again on

[0:51:42] Voice 3: that parcel so that parcel is losing out it's high well that it's mapped as high well density

[0:51:48] Voice 3: it's it's an insensitive ecosystem and let's just open up the slope yeah yeah and we have

[0:51:55] Voice 3: we have slope there right so all like like you know again i'm not trying to be argumentative

[0:52:01] Voice 3: i'm just trying to describe what's happening to suitable land analysis here that you have steep

[0:52:06] Voice 3: slope so you can train your eye to slope right so you know you guys know your island so where

[0:52:12] Voice 3: there's steep slopes it's unsuitable when there's when there's flatter areas it's more suitable to

[0:52:18] Voice 3: to develop on right and then let's also look at road adjacency road adjacency isn't that bad but

[0:52:24] Voice 3: it is also kind of road adjacency is a weird one right because you know the roads go around so

[0:52:31] Voice 3: so like is it that unsuitable that there's no roads going through there it's like you probably

[0:52:35] Voice 3: would have a strata road anyway you know if you're going to develop something like that

[0:52:41] Voice 3: um and so we kind of bounced around to all of the layers and i gosh i like this way of doing this

[0:52:48] Voice 3: because it's like kind of following thought rather me systematically going through every

[0:52:54] Voice 3: layer so i you know i'm uh like i i hope i i'm not coming across as argumentative because i'm

[0:53:01] Voice 3: just trying to describe how the the layout that we did met the suitable analysis it's likely that

[0:53:09] Voice 3: that what needs to happen is that we need to look at those layers and the values and and like down

[0:53:16] Voice 3: not downscale, but like downplay, I don't know if that's the right word,

[0:53:21] Voice 3: change the weighting of the layers to more match like what is suitable,

[0:53:28] Voice 3: like what goes into suitability for main island.

[0:53:33] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:53:35] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:53:36] Voice 8: because certainly, you know, it's a good property to sort of focus on

[0:53:40] Voice 8: because I think both of us have intimate knowledge,

[0:53:43] Voice 8: but as far as I know, there's only one well on it.

[0:53:45] Voice 8: um i know there's many springs as i said it's it's known as being spring hill uh so like

[0:53:52] Voice 8: like that whole area um is is is full of springs lots of water um i wouldn't because it's been

[0:54:00] Voice 8: fully clear-cut logged for farming purposes i wouldn't i wouldn't sort of highlight it as being

[0:54:07] Voice 8: a sensitive ecosystem um so like i just and i guess that's literally and i am agreeing i am

[0:54:13] Voice 8: being argumentative because i'm going through each one of your layers and i disagree with each one of

[0:54:17] Voice 8: the layers so so when i can when i can look at one property and and and not agree with with every one

[0:54:25] Voice 8: of the layers then i then i sort of don't have a lot of confidence when when i go through the whole

[0:54:31] Voice 8: island well but so that's basically

[0:54:34] Voice 3: my feedback sure sure and and and you know i there's to to

[0:54:40] Voice 3: to take it as like an entire dataset all at once

[0:54:45] Voice 3: and focusing on a parcel like this is, that's interesting.

[0:54:50] Voice 3: Like that's where perhaps it is

[0:54:52] Voice 3: like a parcel level investigation.

[0:54:55] Voice 3: What I was really stoked about is looking

[0:54:58] Voice 3: at what we decided long time ago as an area of opportunity

[0:55:03] Voice 3: and, you know, down to the pixel compared to its neighbors.

[0:55:07] Voice 3: Like I think that was an area that the LTC chose

[0:55:10] Voice 3: for an opportunity uh you know to to have um yeah i was i was

[0:55:16] Voice 5: particularly um excited to see that

[0:55:19] Voice 5: where we have our flex housing pilot um works with the map i was wondering if it wouldn't it does and

[0:55:25] Voice 5: like i would add that it only really becomes an issue uh so the you know the challenges with the

[0:55:32] Voice 5: data become an issue when we're going to make a decision about something so if nothing's ever

[0:55:37] Voice 5: going to happen on that piece of you know any changes are going to happen on that piece that

[0:55:40] Voice 5: we've been looking at um then we don't necessarily need to be drilling down and looking at it

[0:55:44] Voice 5: in detail um it's important i think to understand what some of the challenges are absolutely because

[0:55:50] Voice 5: it it raises the questions for us to ask about other properties because it may be that for

[0:55:54] Voice 5: example you might want to extend flex housing um you know into areas that that from your perspective

[0:56:00] Voice 5: seem okay but look red on the map and that's when we can kind of drill down and like william

[0:56:06] Voice 5: indicated we can um we can allocate different percentages of um like weight them differently

[0:56:12] Voice 5: like if you if you don't feel confident with the data we can remove that data set even

[0:56:16] Voice 5: um or at least reduce it

[0:56:19] Voice 4: my my question was i thought you would exclude the lands that are in

[0:56:23] Voice 4: the alr so they are included here as being suitable for housing and i think that's a problem

[0:56:29] Voice 4: so well about that another day but but no

[0:56:32] Voice 3: no no let's take that on right now because

[0:56:35] Voice 3: because because this is this is a shoreline to shoreline analysis right like again this is not

[0:56:41] Voice 3: an ai planner i keep saying that right so this is a shoreline to shoreline analysis but these

[0:56:46] Voice 3: overlays here um let's take out the comments but these these dark out ones this is alr okay so

[0:56:53] Voice 3: sure they're suitable lands in there because inherently that through the analysis they are

[0:56:58] Voice 3: are suitable low density no ecosystems or no sense ecosystems blah blah right like flat area all that

[0:57:06] Voice 3: stuff it it can be suitable based on the criteria but we know on the regulatory side it's not so

[0:57:14] Voice 3: let's just

[0:57:14] Voice 3: gray it out and forget about

[0:57:15] Voice 4: it right so

[0:57:16] Voice 3: so that's what that's what that is right so

[0:57:18] Voice 4: curious about that okay we

[0:57:20] Voice 3: don't want we didn't want to exclude any part like it would be very

[0:57:24] Voice 3: disruptive to how the data gets processed to to like exclude it hard like in the data set

[0:57:30] Voice 3: it's just easier to like this is how planners plan right they'll take the suitable analysis

[0:57:35] Voice 3: they'll take ecosystems and or sorry uh alr they'll take zoning and take all this information

[0:57:43] Voice 3: and and and and provide you know recommendations to the local trust committee so that's kind of

[0:57:48] Voice 3: what this is doing and and again this is kind of a clunky way of doing this it's amazing we

[0:57:53] Voice 3: can get this far with the layered pdf a better way to do it have a more integrated like online

[0:58:00] Voice 3: approach but no

[0:58:01] Voice 4: i just was i was confused because i thought that that was but i get your point of

[0:58:06] Voice 4: how you've layered these so yeah

[0:58:08] Voice 3: and the covenants too and then and then if we had parks which i

[0:58:11] Voice 3: regret we don't have it today yeah

[0:58:14] Voice 4: okay but no it's good as narissa said it's good we're identifying

[0:58:18] Voice 4: to find that that flex area which is really key at this time in our history um things may change

[0:58:24] Voice 4: in 50 years but at the moment that's kind of the area where we want to look at expanding right yeah

[0:58:30] Voice 3: thanks yeah flex housing i keep saying alternative housing but i'm going

[0:58:34] Voice 3: to use your term tiny homes

[0:58:36] Voice 9: yeah

[0:58:36] Voice 3: flex housing yeah

[0:58:37] Voice 9: so yeah william i think we should just you know when we have a chance

[0:58:40] Voice 9: have a look at the sensitive ecosystem layer the well saltwater intrusion layer and that well

[0:58:46] Voice 9: well layer and just sort of have a bit of a workshop to see what the issues specifically

[0:58:53] Voice 9: where they're deriving from and if if the layer is you know completely like the well if the if

[0:58:59] Voice 9: the well layer is so inaccurate then we should we should remove it or or lower the score for it or

[0:59:07] Voice 9: or make take some other action and for the sensitive ecosystem layer after looking at it

[0:59:12] Voice 9: again i think you know it's it's pretty binary like it's red or green um and there are nuances

[0:59:17] Voice 9: to the sensitive ecosystems you know like the young forest and whether it's primary or tertiary

[0:59:23] Voice 9: and these sorts of things and if we can somehow incorporate that yeah

[0:59:28] Voice 3: i i agree and you know this

[0:59:29] Voice 3: might be uh like i i don't think this should just be like internal right like i think you're right

[0:59:37] Voice 3: Right. And, you know, the main island conservancy has done so much work, you know, and so I would be interested to see what they have to say about the layers and, and, and this like, I think every island has, it's, it's different on how the primary, secondary and tertiary is laid out and we just flattened the whole thing. Right.

[1:00:00] Voice 2: just

[1:00:00] Voice 3: um to to not and that was not just our decision that was i had conversations with the

[1:00:06] Voice 3: island stress conservancy and that was their suggestion for us to do so another thing too

[1:00:11] Voice 3: is that the wells data i i asked landon to to just exclude the abandoned wells and i'm thinking the

[1:00:17] Voice 3: closure and alternative wells i think there might be an administrative issue there where

[1:00:22] Voice 3: where they could alter a location of a well and maybe that record stays oddly so i think we're

[1:00:29] Voice 3: going to take a look again just do active wells and then if that kind of solves a lot of those

[1:00:34] Voice 3: issues then then then that that might be it or we might have to really just go into the data set and

[1:00:40] Voice 3: start cleaning it yeah

[1:00:42] Voice 9: it looks like a lot of those wells have just been attributed to the wrong

[1:00:45] Voice 9: i don't know if they use pids or yeah geolo some sort of geolocation there's some sort of error

[1:00:50] Voice 1: are

[1:00:50] Voice 9: there um where they're being located but uh yeah i think we can adjust some of these layers

[1:00:56] Voice 9: so this is what the purpose is to do this kind of quality control review um before we start using it

[1:01:09] Voice 7: a quick question william um what's the potential of doing the um building footprint um layers i

[1:01:17] Voice 7: I don't think that work has advanced,

[1:01:21] Voice 7: but I'm assuming that's an ability to put another layer on of actual

[1:01:26] Voice 3: buildings.

[1:01:27] Voice 3: Like as an additional layer, as like a navigational layer,

[1:01:30] Voice 3: we could put as whatever we want. So we have building footprint, I think.

[1:01:35] Voice 3: Right.

[1:01:35] Voice 9: It's getting older now and there was a proposal to update it,

[1:01:39] Voice 9: but I don't think it made it through budget last year or a couple of years

[1:01:42] Voice 9: ago. But there is the existing layer and it's, you know,

[1:01:47] Voice 9: It probably has 90% of the existing building, something like that shown on it.

[1:01:50] Voice 7: It did make it through budget, but that money was used for other GIS-related, more essential needs.

[1:01:58] Voice 9: Right.

[1:01:59] Voice 4: Trustee Dodds.

[1:02:00] Voice 4: And the reality for our housing, if you're looking at built footprints, any increase in density is going to require shrinkage of the footprints.

[1:02:10] Voice 4: So I don't see that changing in the next 20 years either.

[1:02:13] Voice 4: so if you've already over you know developed to your 20 percent maximum i don't see there's going

[1:02:19] Voice 4: to be leeway in the future to increase that here because we've kind of set the tone now with flex

[1:02:25] Voice 4: housing yeah unless we change that to something more generous i think that that's something we

[1:02:32] Voice 4: can keep a cap on by keeping that in our as a reference point for any kind of increases in

[1:02:38] Voice 4: density requires a smaller footprint right

[1:02:41] Voice 7: i was

[1:02:42] Voice 4: thinking about mapping all the houses that we have

[1:02:44] Voice 4: i

[1:02:45] Voice 7: was just thinking about adjacency and um sort of cumulative impacts in neighborhoods

[1:02:51] Voice 7: and so

[1:02:51] Voice 4: we're shrinking the density we're shrinking the density so if you're going to buy into

[1:02:57] Voice 4: increasing on a particular property if that is currently developed in fact you're going to have

[1:03:04] Voice 4: to reduce what you add on to what if they've already built to the density they were allowed

[1:03:09] Voice 4: there wouldn't be any more structures allowed yeah um

[1:03:13] Voice 4: so you want to look at it as a trade-off

[1:03:15] Voice 4: on current density which is how i look at the carrot not the stick um if somebody's coming

[1:03:20] Voice 4: in with a whole new proposal even that then is a whole different conversation so

[1:03:29] Voice 7: beyond the lot

[1:03:30] Voice 7: though one property what about consideration of neighborhoods and intensity of the cumulative

[1:03:39] Voice 4: the intensity will still be a lot less than it currently is zoned for unless we choose to

[1:03:44] Voice 4: down zone and most of our properties are already built on we were already at very close to build

[1:03:50] Voice 4: out yeah

[1:03:51] Voice 3: i i'm sorry i

[1:03:53] Voice 3: just i just kind of wanted to back up chair elliot there because i i think i

[1:03:57] Voice 3: get what you're throwing down here that if if we right now our our density calculator is wells

[1:04:04] Voice 3: right and we have an issue with those on this island um can do a density proxy of building

[1:04:11] Voice 3: footprint and then can also like then look at how dense the build out is compared to

[1:04:20] Voice 3: like the parcel density which is interesting and also do proximity like the the density of

[1:04:28] Voice 3: of a footprint to to a like to the zone as well so looking at um that could also lead to

[1:04:39] Voice 3: identifying areas of suitability if um kind of like like if a zone is underdeveloped as well

[1:04:45] Voice 3: well and and so i i like the i like the density thing that's why i like the wells density because

[1:04:52] Voice 3: it's usually well per lot so we're just saying if there's more lots it's more dense um main

[1:04:58] Voice 3: island's different here and so you know if if you did have the building footprint density the

[1:05:04] Voice 3: the um the uh the subdivisions would look a lot different right this would just be red

[1:05:11] Voice 3: because you'd have all the footprints yeah

[1:05:15] Voice 7: and when I talk about intensity of use as well it

[1:05:19] Voice 7: could be that a building is used for you know a family of six or a family of two or a temporary

[1:05:28] Voice 7: use permit for short-term vacation rental so it would be interesting if we could get that granular

[1:05:34] Voice 7: as to what is actually happening on the lot

[1:05:37] Voice 7: so that you could then say,

[1:05:40] Voice 7: well, there's an overall too much intensity

[1:05:43] Voice 7: in this neighborhood to allow for any additional.

[1:05:49] Voice 7: Anyway, but I take your point.

[1:05:51] Voice 7: Trustee Dodds, I'm thinking of other communities as well.

[1:05:55] Voice 4: And I'm not thinking of any subdivisions

[1:05:59] Voice 4: because we are already fully developed.

[1:06:02] Voice 7: Yeah, yeah.

[1:06:04] Voice 7: No, I wasn't thinking of additional subdivisions.

[1:06:07] Voice 7: is just to understand where everything is in relation to one another so yes and that yeah

[1:06:12] Voice 3: and and trustee elliot like uh to your point is that um for for your for the density well these

[1:06:19] Voice 3: are all high to low but let's choose them with attributes right like if this was housing density

[1:06:25] Voice 3: and if you said like uh if they has a temporary use permit for a short-term vacation rental or

[1:06:31] Voice 3: if it's some sort of like we can classify the suitability or the unsuitability of that use

[1:06:39] Voice 3: right so that there's as you notice there's no use in here we don't we haven't classified

[1:06:45] Voice 3: land use suitability of existing land use it's just the attributes of fresh water

[1:06:52] Voice 3: and and environment and a little bit of infrastructure so i think that's

[1:06:58] Voice 3: kind of where you're talking about like we had build out or multimodal transportation and stuff

[1:07:05] Voice 3: you can classify the suitability of having those things or not so yeah i i really hope it's not the

[1:07:13] Voice 3: i'm really hoping it's just the beginnings of this project and and and like like we're saying

[1:07:21] Voice 3: like going back to the pdf like to to layer on other layers and things like that again i just

[1:07:27] Voice 3: just want to reiterate this is a very clunky way of doing that and there's and there's really more

[1:07:32] Voice 3: engaging and immersive ways to to do that work and if i were just to plug the local trust committee

[1:07:39] Voice 3: that there's the opportunity to provide recommendation to the regional planning

[1:07:44] Voice 3: committee to consider advancing this work and and looking at better options than how we're

[1:07:51] Voice 3: presenting this i

[1:07:56] Voice 2: think we're over time

[1:07:59] Voice 7: probably so many

[1:08:01] Voice 5: questions though i

[1:08:02] Voice 3: i don't mind i don't

[1:08:03] Voice 2: mind this we

[1:08:04] Voice 5: are booked until 1 30 oh

[1:08:07] Voice 2: oh oh great okay i didn't i don't know why i thought it was

[1:08:10] Voice 2: an hour yeah because

[1:08:12] Voice 7: the social so so calculating sorry back to the economic you said we don't have

[1:08:17] Voice 7: um those pieces yet but uh commercial or economic and social uses can you give us a bit of a preview

[1:08:25] Voice 7: view of how a community would gather that kind of information and and what what kind of additional

[1:08:36] Voice 7: layers would that add what

[1:08:39] Voice 5: is it that you would be wanting to achieve just the Elliot I

[1:08:42] Voice 7: for instance

[1:08:44] Voice 7: if there is a commercial use where somebody's drawing groundwater and selling it and has a

[1:08:52] Voice 7: license to do so um that would be a commercial use of course that's impacting groundwater for the

[1:08:58] Voice 7: surrounding environment so um well

[1:09:02] Voice 5: i think for gabriela that's going to come out in the uh

[1:09:05] Voice 5: in the water balance work

[1:09:08] Voice 7: so water balance is not proposed right now for

[1:09:13] Voice 7: we

[1:09:13] Voice 4: we don't allow we don't allow commercial use of water no no though i mean certainly like our

[1:09:20] Voice 4: our brewery would be throwing more water as an example of

[1:09:24] Voice 6: as

[1:09:25] Voice 4: as with the hotels for sure but

[1:09:28] Voice 4: obviously within the current zoning we have um you know that's a different conversation than say

[1:09:34] Voice 4: increasing density of use if we were talking commercial density i think that those would be

[1:09:39] Voice 4: concerns um i'm assuming we are not talking commercial density because we've already done

[1:09:44] Voice 4: a whole review on that um and we're talking about housing density well

[1:09:50] Voice 5: and i mean i think

[1:09:52] Voice 5: it's general use of land yeah um i mean we're using it in the context of of residential but

[1:09:59] Voice 5: i mean

[1:09:59] Voice 5: it could be used in the context of other things as well these all of these layers are not

[1:10:02] Voice 5: specific to housing um but

[1:10:05] Voice 4: we'd be concerned if we were going to put in say a 20 unit motel

[1:10:10] Voice 4: somewhere that would be definitely be of concern in terms

[1:10:13] Voice 5: well yeah and that's where this this

[1:10:15] Voice 5: this analysis would come in yes handy right because if it identifies that it's not suitable

[1:10:19] Voice 5: because it's about suitable for a more intense use of the land essentially from a you know

[1:10:26] Voice 5: all perspectives yeah

[1:10:28] Voice 4: okay okay that makes sense yeah thanks but we have properties that are already

[1:10:36] Voice 4: zoned that aren't even being used so that's that's the other sort of don't anticipate a whole lot of

[1:10:42] Voice 4: changes no and

[1:10:44] Voice 5: that's where if they're not being used and it doesn't make sense for that use

[1:10:48] Voice 5: like if the suitable analysis indicates that that particular loose isn't isn't good for that area

[1:10:55] Voice 5: then you should just take it out

[1:10:57] Voice 4: right that's good that's good backs up that argument that's good

[1:11:01] Voice 4: yeah well certainly interesting yeah

[1:11:06] Voice 3: this is great because i i think that we strategically chose

[1:11:11] Voice 3: shows these LTCs or LTAs, I should say, appropriately because the Maine Island has,

[1:11:21] Voice 3: or the LTC has some unique questions to ask of the suitable analysis, which is going to be

[1:11:26] Voice 3: different from Gabriola. And with Gabriola, we're going to have different data. Like the

[1:11:34] Voice 3: groundwater well density is our best guess at water use for Maine Island. It's just kind of

[1:11:40] Voice 3: the easiest way to do it but on on on gabriel we're going down to the like granular level of

[1:11:47] Voice 3: water use type of use and and we'll have a world of data there that we can then assign

[1:11:54] Voice 3: suitability attributes to that water use or intensity of use and we're hoping to get down

[1:11:59] Voice 3: to the neighborhood level on which neighborhoods are using more water than others um you know

[1:12:04] Voice 3: through social science and proxy and things like that um and and and the hopes are to then

[1:12:12] Voice 3: integrate that into you know version 2.0 of this of the suitable analysis right now we just have

[1:12:16] Voice 3: the same methodology as we use on maine for for gabriola right so um as as we improve

[1:12:25] Voice 3: as we improve the data sets like the suitable line analysis will become more reliable or

[1:12:33] Voice 3: have more confidence in it um the the like i guess the question is like is this the type of

[1:12:39] Voice 3: planning we want to do like is this is this a helpful tool like i think just having this tool

[1:12:46] Voice 3: of a conversation on the data you know like i'm a technocrat i i think you know these kind of tools

[1:12:51] Voice 3: are going to solve the world's problems but that's not always the perspective right and and and

[1:12:58] Voice 3: And especially when, like I agree with you, I'm not saying that this data is rock solid.

[1:13:03] Voice 3: There's issues.

[1:13:04] Voice 3: We know that, right?

[1:13:06] Voice 3: And

[1:13:07] Voice 4: going back to the water issue, certainly for me, the saltwater intrusion is an issue, different areas.

[1:13:13] Voice 4: So it's good to know that.

[1:13:14] Voice 4: But we also haven't talked about rainwater collection.

[1:13:17] Voice 4: And so that's another sort of other element of when we talk about suitability.

[1:13:22] Voice 4: everything we talk about and that we add and change we also put rainwater collection as part

[1:13:28] Voice 4: of it so that we also need to be changing our thinking away from groundwater to more towards

[1:13:35] Voice 4: storing collecting storing and using rainwater more efficiently

[1:13:38] Voice 4: that's that's but that's not

[1:13:40] Voice 4: something you can put obviously in this analysis it's simply another aspect of how planning gets

[1:13:47] Voice 4: gets done well if

[1:13:49] Voice 4: we start to think

[1:13:50] Voice 5: about the use of data uh and and using this as a starting point

[1:13:54] Voice 5: for a discussion that would be another layer it would be the climate change perspective right um

[1:13:59] Voice 5: and uh you know there's data out there and so i think as as we evolve as as as we begin to use

[1:14:06] Voice 5: this and see how it can become effective i think um you know there's the opportunity to identify

[1:14:11] Voice 5: different types of data that would be useful to ltcs to make their decisions um and all of that

[1:14:17] Voice 5: that is going to require resources to gather.

[1:14:23] Voice 5: So, I mean, we're lucky that we do have access

[1:14:25] Voice 5: to some existing pieces for,

[1:14:27] Voice 5: and it does initiate the conversation for us.

[1:14:31] Voice 5: And I think in some cases we can be using this data

[1:14:34] Voice 5: to make some decisions.

[1:14:35] Voice 5: And as we've discussed before,

[1:14:37] Voice 5: like there's ample opportunity to focus on specific,

[1:14:41] Voice 5: to go sort of do a bit more of a deep dive

[1:14:45] Voice 5: into uh specific um uh areas that where it may seem wrong there's more you know but but but we

[1:14:54] Voice 5: also have to think about in the context of our projects so for now it may not it may not seem

[1:15:01] Voice 5: like a good um use of time to to to focus on a on a lot that you're not even looking at changing

[1:15:07] Voice 5: anything about um but

[1:15:08] Voice 5: the fact that it does identify that particular lot does identify some

[1:15:12] Voice 5: some challenges is a good one it raises some questions that we can ask about other

[1:15:16] Voice 5: other areas that um that we may be looking at at making some kind of a change yeah

[1:15:23] Voice 8: i think that's

[1:15:24] Voice 8: exactly my point is you know it is that if i can look at one lot and say i have no faith in any of

[1:15:30] Voice 8: the layers that makes me question the whole the whole project so that's that's and i'm and i'm

[1:15:37] Voice 8: saying that as constructive criticism it's just i'm i'm just i'm really uncomfortable with what

[1:15:42] Voice 8: what i've seen today i

[1:15:45] Voice 3: yeah i i understand that trust you mod i i think that i i may not be in

[1:15:50] Voice 3: full agreement with you that that lot would be suitable like just how you're describing like

[1:15:55] Voice 3: there's springs and like that when you have those types of environments it leads to a sense of

[1:16:00] Voice 3: ecosystem but i think i think what what i'm hearing from from from planner kojima is that

[1:16:08] Voice 3: that like we, I think for that one particular lot,

[1:16:13] Voice 3: if there are smaller tertiary wetlands everywhere

[1:16:17] Voice 3: and we just flatten the thing,

[1:16:19] Voice 3: it can just be a young forest.

[1:16:22] Voice 3: And we just really over assumed its sensitive ecosystem.

[1:16:29] Voice 3: I think that's what's really pushing that layer a lot.

[1:16:33] Voice 3: lot and so we and and as a project team we we're not we're not silent on the fact that the

[1:16:40] Voice 3: environmental layers are least confident ones and the most confident ones we have are groundwater

[1:16:46] Voice 3: recharge and and watershed resiliency because we have

[1:16:51] Voice 2: ownership over those that's what we those

[1:16:53] Voice 3: are 2020 layers right like landon unfortunately didn't get landon to have a chance to speak to

[1:17:00] Voice 3: is watershed resiliency but you know that's that's brand new work the the crd is basing

[1:17:07] Voice 3: like million dollars worth of of investment in their watershed based on a lot of that work that

[1:17:14] Voice 3: landon did out there so you know the the confidence layer is um is is variable across the

[1:17:23] Voice 3: the layers but you know i'll i'll agree with you if you're looking at something you're like well

[1:17:28] Voice 3: well, I'm not confident with the suitable land analysis

[1:17:30] Voice 3: because of its components under the hood.

[1:17:33] Voice 3: Well, that's a valid point, for sure, it is.

[1:17:38] Voice 3: Yeah, because you don't want to be chasing good data

[1:17:45] Voice 3: with bad kind of thing, right?

[1:17:47] Voice 3: Because they're all equally weighted.

[1:17:49] Voice 3: Roads are the same as well density in this example.

[1:17:53] Voice 3: example yeah

[1:17:54] Voice 8: but as we pointed out you know it's it seems that the well density is totally wrong

[1:17:59] Voice 8: you know like like we're yeah

[1:18:01] Voice 5: well and there's that's the

[1:18:02] Voice 8: opportunity at streams of like 60 lots

[1:18:05] Voice 8: every one of them's got a well on it and not one of them shown well

[1:18:08] Voice 5: and the great thing with that

[1:18:10] Voice 5: one is that that is one that can be really investigated at uh at a micro level like in

[1:18:15] Voice 5: a fairly straightforward way so that's that's the that's the that's a that that's the i guess the

[1:18:20] Voice 5: The good thing, the one that you're most uncomfortable with happens to be one that we can more easily explore.

[1:18:28] Voice 9: Yeah, and I think the sensitive ecosystem one, if we go really focus on the primary sensitive ecosystems,

[1:18:34] Voice 9: like the map that's, I don't know if it's still a schedule of the OCP,

[1:18:37] Voice 9: but there was a map schedule of the OCP that had the sensitive ecosystems on it for Maine,

[1:18:42] Voice 9: and it's a much more discrete areas, and that's a pretty high confidence mapping.

[1:18:48] Voice 9: mapping uh also high confidence is the steep slope mapping yes it's high confidence mapping

[1:18:55] Voice 9: so yeah if we go through in the road the road adjacency you know it is what it is it's it's

[1:19:01] Voice 9: just choosing a buffer around roads so i think if we focus on the ones like the well

[1:19:06] Voice 9: ones where there's obvious obvious issues and refine some of the other ones i think it'll

[1:19:12] Voice 9: will be a much better result

[1:19:13] Voice 7: so

[1:19:15] Voice 3: yeah oh

[1:19:17] Voice 7: i just wanted to comment on that go ahead yeah i just

[1:19:19] Voice 3: wanted to say like again i'm not trying to be argumentative and i really appreciate the feedback

[1:19:25] Voice 3: because if if you were to look at the map and say wells look great like well we're just going to

[1:19:30] Voice 3: keep going right but that's why we're doing this right this is why we have this special meeting

[1:19:35] Voice 3: like well it looked bad okay well you know we're going to go look at it now so um yeah we really

[1:19:41] Voice 3: really appreciate the feedback because the wells and hornby are fine like no nobody said anything

[1:19:46] Voice 3: there's a little there's a little concern around a few properties but but you know there's been a

[1:19:51] Voice 3: lot more effort put into the wells mapping and on hornby than there was down main so it's every

[1:19:59] Voice 3: island has their unique data challenges that's for sure yeah yeah so

[1:20:04] Voice 7: does this ltc need to give

[1:20:07] Voice 7: some direction um or make a request of the freshwater project more broadly for ground

[1:20:14] Voice 7: truthing let's say in a certain area or you know anything that's going to require a budget do we

[1:20:20] Voice 7: want to think about putting that forward to include in the overall scope or is what you've

[1:20:26] Voice 7: heard today enough i

[1:20:30] Voice 9: think it would be useful if we went back and looked at the data the one

[1:20:34] Voice 9: and especially the the well data and tried to zero in on what what the problem with that is

[1:20:38] Voice 9: and also with the sensitive ecosystem um and the the saltwater intrusion layer and then refine it

[1:20:46] Voice 9: and then maybe come back with a with another session uh whether it's at a public ltc meeting

[1:20:52] Voice 9: on like an in-person ltc meeting or have another one of these great

[1:20:58] Voice 7: trusty mott yeah

[1:21:00] Voice 8: i i think

[1:21:01] Voice 8: that's exactly the point is my feedback is is i don't have much confidence in any of the layers

[1:21:09] Voice 8: um uh like even even the roads like that that seems rather simple but there's a difference

[1:21:15] Voice 8: between a main road and a small road and they seem to sort of from what i saw briefly there

[1:21:21] Voice 8: they all seem to be treated somewhat the same um yeah so it is i i just that that's my issue

[1:21:29] Voice 8: that was my feedback every time i looked at something i went that's not right to me um so

[1:21:35] Voice 8: my level of confidence is is not very high and i certainly wouldn't want to be using any of this

[1:21:41] Voice 8: for our present decision making process or even refer to it because i don't think it's right

[1:21:49] Voice 8: even like even close to right so i really think it needs to be workshopped a lot more

[1:21:57] Voice 8: And I think Trustee Dodson and I can provide a ton of feedback if you want it, because we have real life lived experience on the island that goes back decades and decades and decades.

[1:22:09] Voice 8: But it's just, I'm very uncomfortable with what was presented today. Thank you.

[1:22:17] Voice 3: Through the chair, yeah, for Trustee Mudd there.

[1:22:20] Voice 3: um yeah we're we're really open to feedback and and obviously we don't want like heavy-handed

[1:22:30] Voice 3: bureaucracy from abroad you know like like the on-island experiences is really important especially

[1:22:37] Voice 3: in the water scope and that's kind of like one of the main objectives of the freshwater footprint

[1:22:44] Voice 3: print work that we're piloting on gabriola is to have the ability to accept that feedback right

[1:22:54] Voice 3: like from the from trustees on the ldc it's we can do it on a person-to-person basis or we can

[1:22:58] Voice 3: go mark up some maps but we need to have some sort of methodology to intake that information from

[1:23:04] Voice 3: from on island experience because that's gonna i mean that's what it's all about right is

[1:23:10] Voice 3: sustainable communities we have to hear from the community somehow and this is just like i said we

[1:23:16] Voice 3: made no data for this you know this is all just collating what we got so um yeah i i would i would

[1:23:26] Voice 3: like to to accept feedback and i just maybe have to work with narissa and and well

[1:23:32] Voice 5: i think the other

[1:23:33] Voice 5: piece is that this is data that we would be looking at looking to if we were looking at

[1:23:38] Voice 5: Like a rezoning, for example, we're using the data that's available to us.

[1:23:42] Voice 5: So it's bringing together the data that's available to us.

[1:23:44] Voice 5: So, I mean, any data that we're questioning, we should also be thinking about questioning that in the context of how we use it in other aspects of our work, too.

[1:23:58] Voice 4: So I just want to say that, yeah, the whales are a real red flag.

[1:24:02] Voice 4: So I think there's a big issue with the whales.

[1:24:05] Voice 4: I don't know how much that really impacts decision making and because the intensity of use, if properties were to expand the number of dwellings, I would be more concerned that if you already had one well and one dwelling and you were going to build a couple of smaller dwellings, I think that we shouldn't be drilling any more wells, period.

[1:24:26] Voice 4: So however that works, we should be encouraging more well drilling period. And then the other, the sensitive ecosystem areas, I think we need to fine tune just what is meant by that, because the property that Dave refers to, yeah, it's not, I don't quite know how it got into that category at all.

[1:24:44] Voice 4: It was logged in the 90s. So whatever's there is a farm currently. So I think we need to tighten that up. But overall, we have seen that our flex area and where I think we should be encouraging more development is actually identified as being feasible.

[1:25:00] Voice 4: And I'm sorry, but I have to go. I booked other things, thought we'd be done at one. And there's some other things I already have to go and do. So I think the information we've had, you know, is interesting and on a bigger map, not on a small screen would make more sense to on paper would be really helpful. So thank you.

[1:25:25] Voice 7: That's great. Should we call this meeting adjourned? And if anybody else has any more questions, who's the main point of contact? Is that you, William?

[1:25:33] Voice 7: for this project if you're muted yeah

[1:25:41] Voice 3: i think it's part of your osi project so i think you'd

[1:25:44] Voice 3: want to put that through narissa and then i'll work with narissa to to to triage it and and if

[1:25:50] Voice 3: we need to come back with a staff report then we can do that and yeah

[1:25:54] Voice 5: great yeah and we have a

[1:25:55] Voice 5: report that i'm putting forward for um housing has a lot of um reference to the suitable land

[1:26:01] Voice 5: analysis this is an opportunity to have a conversation about how we use it uh at our

[1:26:05] Voice 5: next ltc meeting

[1:26:06] Voice 7: fantastic okay well let's call this meeting adjourned and uh thank you all for

[1:26:14] Voice 7: your time and uh for walking us through this new exciting planning tool next steps thank you thank

[1:26:23] Voice 2: Thank you.