Denman Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, February 25, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 5: We're broadcasting, and away we go.

[0:00:02] Voice 5: Good afternoon, everybody.

[0:00:05] Voice 5: I'd like to thank you for joining us for this special meeting of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:10] Voice 5: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:14] Voice 5: in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:17] Voice 5: I'm David Maud, elected on Main Island, chair of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:21] Voice 5: I'm joined today by your Denman Island trustees, David Graham and Sam Borthwick.

[0:00:25] Voice 5: Together, we make up the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:27] Voice 5: meeting. This meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend in

[0:00:31] Voice 5: person today. The recording will be posted to the Honest Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:36] Voice 5: We have some staff members joining us today. We have Planner Marissa Chadwick from the Victoria

[0:00:42] Voice 5: office. We have our freshwater specialist, William Shilba. We have Carly Bilney, who is our recording

[0:00:50] Voice 5: secretary today. We have Emily Bryant, who is our webmaster today with the Zoom, which we very much

[0:00:55] Voice 5: appreciate um and then we have a consultant landon oh my god i'm going to butcher this

[0:01:03] Voice 5: landon step in and introduce yourself matt matt chuck's great excellent thank you very much

[0:01:11] Voice 5: um and then we have planner mccarver from our um gabriel office joining us i think i've got

[0:01:17] Voice 5: got everybody.

[0:01:19] Voice 5: So we are,

[0:01:21] Voice 5: this is a special meeting to go over

[0:01:23] Voice 5: a project

[0:01:25] Voice 5: and I guess I will hand it over

[0:01:27] Voice 5: to our freshwater specialist,

[0:01:29] Voice 5: William Shilba, who will start the process.

[0:01:34] Voice 9: Yeah, thank you.

[0:01:35] Voice 9: I just want to share

[0:01:36] Voice 9: that Trustee Borthwick is,

[0:01:38] Voice 9: he mentioned his technical issues.

[0:01:40] Voice 9: Oh, we lost him.

[0:01:41] Voice 5: Oh, okay.

[0:01:44] Voice 5: Well, we'll pause for a second

[0:01:45] Voice 5: while we hopefully get back Trustee Borthwick.

[0:01:47] Voice 5: quick i thought we had excellent internet on demo now you said technical issue one moment yeah okay

[0:01:54] Voice 9: i think i could just you know so i am so i'll start off that's your direction um so yeah thank

[0:02:00] Voice 9: you again i'm william shilva uh senior freshwater specialist the island trust and uh i have been

[0:02:06] Voice 9: helping lead the suitable land analysis project uh for almost just under a year i think and um

[0:02:15] Voice 9: This project was handed over to me when it was known that the freshwater data layers were going to play a primary role in this work.

[0:02:31] Voice 9: work. And then when we were having some resourcing changes at energy is department. That's when

[0:02:39] Voice 9: I stepped in to play a primary role. And through that process, we hired Latin matter check

[0:02:48] Voice 9: of cedar shore consulting and perhaps London, you just want to introduce yourself on on

[0:02:53] Voice 9: your relevance to the work and maybe Yeah, your history with the Alice trust as well.

[0:02:59] Voice 9: Thanks.

[0:03:01] Voice 2: Yeah, I've been working with the Islands Trust for about four years now on various research projects, starting with watershed resiliency that I developed with the City of Victoria and implemented with the Islands Trust.

[0:03:18] Voice 2: And now we've included that in the suitable land analysis.

[0:03:23] Voice 2: In addition to that, I've worked throughout British Columbia for the provincial government, various NGOs, and I'm currently conducting research at UBC for my PhD as well.

[0:03:38] Voice 2: So looking forward to sharing with everyone the results of the suitable land analysis and getting feedback throughout the presentation.

[0:03:45] Voice 2: So,

[0:03:48] Voice 1: William, if I could just interject for a moment, the purpose is, we've got three key purposes of this presentation.

[0:03:58] Voice 1: And one is to introduce the LTC of Denman Island and the community watching to the tool and emphasize that it is a tool.

[0:04:12] Voice 1: And it's a tool that consists of two main components.

[0:04:16] Voice 1: One is the methodology. You know, what the methodology allows us to do is to bring together a number of pieces of information that have been accessible to us.

[0:04:28] Voice 1: So they're accessible to us because they currently exist in our systems and they could be data from other sources that we have used, been using in the past for applications and projects.

[0:04:41] Voice 1: And there is some sort of newer data, and that is the data that's been related to watershed resilience and recharge mapping.

[0:04:54] Voice 1: And so it's the tool, it's methodology, and the data will be able to identify very clearly where each piece of the data comes from.

[0:05:07] Voice 1: And then it's an opportunity for trustees to ask questions and to share their observations on the data.

[0:05:16] Voice 1: And really, we really want to emphasize that ground truthing this process, this data is important.

[0:05:27] Voice 1: It's important for us to understand where you may see some challenges with it and also the opportunities and then the third step for trustees is to consider how you would like it to be shared with the public and whether you'd like to have further engagement with public where they may be able to participate in the discussion.

[0:05:50] Voice 1: But we're doing this for four, five different LTCs that have major projects right now.

[0:05:58] Voice 1: North Pender, Main Island, Hornby Island, Gabriola and Denman Island.

[0:06:06] Voice 1: So we have done this work for all of those three islands.

[0:06:09] Voice 1: And it's really interesting to see how it comes out differently for each island

[0:06:16] Voice 1: island because it really does emphasize that each island is very, very, very unique. So I will leave

[0:06:22] Voice 1: it to that and let you guys go ahead.

[0:06:28] Voice 9: Thank you, Nerissa. Yeah, I just apologize. I might have to

[0:06:32] Voice 9: meet once in a while. I caught a little bit of a cold on the weekend. But I'm going to share my

[0:06:38] Voice 9: screen now. And hopefully that works for us. Great. So thank you for that introduction, Nerissa. And

[0:06:49] Voice 9: And this presentation will be using two different types of presentation methods.

[0:06:55] Voice 9: This one's PowerPoint presentation.

[0:06:57] Voice 9: And then we will then break into a part of the presentation looking at a layered PDF document

[0:07:06] Voice 9: that will have all of the data layers we're speaking of.

[0:07:10] Voice 9: And we'll be able to explore the results of the suitable line analysis tool.

[0:07:16] Voice 9: And then following that we can have a discussion on how the tool relates to planning and major projects like official community plan and non-use bylaw updates.

[0:07:29] Voice 9: Okay, so let's just get into it here.

[0:07:31] Voice 9: The way this works, there we go.

[0:07:34] Voice 9: So, not to belabor the point, but I always like to put the object of the trust up on to the screen.

[0:07:41] Voice 9: And really, this project has been driven by staff attempt to engage the mandate in land use planning to look at sustainable and suitable development under the auspices of preserve and protect mandate.

[0:08:08] Voice 9: date and and we are really relying on the the latter part of our of the object in cooperation

[0:08:16] Voice 9: with with um the provincial government we're using several data sets from the provincial government

[0:08:23] Voice 9: um in the work and and our projects that we have undertaken especially on the first

[0:08:29] Voice 9: nation side have included working with regional districts as well as the freshwater

[0:08:35] Voice 9: Water Sustainability Strategy has integrated traditional knowledge from First Nations and

[0:08:42] Voice 9: cultural knowledge holders. So we think this is a holistic project of the Islands Trust.

[0:08:55] Voice 9: So the suitable land analysis is a tool to evaluate and prioritize areas across the

[0:09:02] Voice 9: Islands Trust region for sustainable development while emphasizing environmental

[0:09:09] Voice 9: environmental and preservation and community resilience.

[0:09:16] Voice 9: The tool integrates data on ecological sensitivity,

[0:09:21] Voice 9: freshwater sustainability, transportation infrastructure,

[0:09:24] Voice 9: and slopes ability to support land use decision making.

[0:09:33] Voice 9: So the objectives of the SLA are to identify areas

[0:09:38] Voice 9: for suitable for additional residential density,

[0:09:45] Voice 7: support evidence

[0:09:50] Voice 9: -based land decision-making using spatial analysis tools, integrate ecological, social, and economic factors into planning, and align with official community plans and land use bylaws.

[0:10:07] Voice 9: The methodology involved collating and processing data sets that relate to ecological sensitivity,

[0:10:12] Voice 9: sensitivity, freshwater sustainability, watershed resiliency mapping, transportation infrastructure,

[0:10:20] Voice 9: and

[0:10:21] Voice 7: slope stability and geohazard.

[0:10:29] Voice 7: The methodology involves using existing

[0:10:32] Voice 9: maps and spatial information.

[0:10:33] Voice 9: We use ARC Pro's suitability modeling tool, which applies a weighted scoring system to

[0:10:40] Voice 9: these layers.

[0:10:42] Voice 9: This is an application of a multi-criteria decision analysis methodology to prioritize suitability of certain layers of importance or data sets of importance.

[0:11:01] Voice 9: And the tool itself overlays data sets to assess suitability for residential expansion, which includes looking at parks and

[0:11:10] Voice 7: protected areas.

[0:11:11] Voice 7: So, as I said, the suitable analysis looks

[0:11:20] Voice 9: at large themes, and one is environment, the

[0:11:25] Voice 9: other one is freshwater, and the other one is sustainable infrastructure.

[0:11:30] Voice 9: And we combine these datasets in a way to identify areas of suitability for residential

[0:11:41] Voice 9: expansion.

[0:11:41] Voice 9: So the layers within or the data layers within each theme are listed here.

[0:11:50] Voice 9: So for environment, we have marine shore adjacency, sensitive ecosystems, at-risk ecological communities,

[0:11:59] Voice 9: and as well as dominant age for the vegetation resource inventory.

[0:12:08] Voice 9: And these layers have come from the province, the sensitive ecosystem mapping, and at risk ecological communities.

[0:12:15] Voice 9: That's from the BC data catalog. The marine and shore adjacency was from this methods for determining high biodiversity areas

[0:12:24] Voice 9: and identifying land securement options within the Island Trust Area.

[0:12:27] Voice 9: So that was from the Island Trust Conservancy.

[0:12:30] Voice 9: and the dominant age by the vegetation resource inventories

[0:12:35] Voice 9: from the Forest Inventory Strategic Plan.

[0:12:39] Voice 9: And for the freshwater, we used groundwater recharge potential,

[0:12:43] Voice 9: which was an Island Stress Project.

[0:12:46] Voice 9: Watershed resiliency, which Landon spoke to briefly,

[0:12:50] Voice 9: that's an Island Stress Project.

[0:12:53] Voice 9: The groundwater well density is from the BC Wells database,

[0:12:58] Voice 9: and so that's a provincial data set.

[0:13:00] Voice 9: And same with the saltwater, the risk of saltwater intrusion is a BC data set and roads we got from the digital road atlas and steep slopes is processed from the BC, from LIDAR BC

[0:13:17] Voice 7: digital elevation model.

[0:13:19] Voice 7: So the one

[0:13:29] Voice 9: aspect of the suitable land analysis is to calculate these data layers together to eventually result in a resulting layer that is a suitable land analysis layer to identify areas of Denman Island that have suitability for development, as we're seeing.

[0:13:55] Voice 9: and that's on a 20 by 20 meter uh cell or grid and and so in order to do that we have weighted

[0:14:03] Voice 9: each layer equally so out of 100 each layer is weighted out of equal value out of 10 and in

[0:14:12] Voice 9: and the suitability weighting and actually the layers that are included this can be a discussion

[0:14:20] Voice 9: amongst the LTC and with the community on either supplying a better layer, say for a sense of

[0:14:30] Voice 9: ecosystems from on the ground, mapping from local conservation groups. Also, if there is a need to

[0:14:39] Voice 9: value a layer more than another, for example, if there is more value on looking at

[0:14:46] Voice 9: uh groundwater well density then there is a road adjacency uh road adjacency can be lowered to

[0:14:54] Voice 9: five percent and that five percent could be transferred to uh groundwater well density or

[0:15:00] Voice 9: or or another layer to to elevate the that the value of that layer so right now they're equal

[0:15:07] Voice 9: but um if through discussions with the ltc in the community if there's certain layers that

[0:15:13] Voice 9: are should be valued more or less that's a discussion that can be made and those options

[0:15:19] Voice 9: can be presented back to the ltc at a future date um what what what can't be uh kind of

[0:15:28] Voice 9: uh changed i guess is is the suitability of the of each individual layers uh original attributes

[0:15:38] Voice 9: so what i mean by that is groundwater well density is a is a good example this uh this

[0:15:45] Voice 9: This data set came from the province and we then did analysis of it to see how many wells there are per square kilometer and a very low well classification would be less than one well per square kilometer and a very high is more than 30 wells per square kilometer.

[0:16:09] Voice 9: And this classification value has come from published documents from the province as well as other research.

[0:16:18] Voice 9: And the suitability factor has been then assigned by staff or by specialists.

[0:16:25] Voice 9: In this case, this was assigned by staff where a very low well density is a very high suitability,

[0:16:33] Voice 9: where a very high very high well density is a low suitability factor and and we know that

[0:16:42] Voice 9: qualitatively and quantitatively across the island trust area um especially in in on the

[0:16:49] Voice 9: small islands and areas of really uh high well density um shows that there are usually problems

[0:16:56] Voice 9: with water quality and quantity.

[0:17:01] Voice 9: And so that's where those suitability ratings come from.

[0:17:06] Voice 9: Same with, if we look at a watershed resiliency,

[0:17:10] Voice 9: very high resilient landscape

[0:17:14] Voice 9: is a very low suitability factor.

[0:17:17] Voice 9: And same with saltwater intrusion is quite obvious

[0:17:20] Voice 9: that a very high rating,

[0:17:23] Voice 9: which was classified by the consultants

[0:17:25] Voice 9: that took on this work for the province is a very low suitability factor

[0:17:30] Voice 9: because a very high risk of saltwater intrusion is not conducive

[0:17:35] Voice 9: to sustainable development usually.

[0:17:41] Voice 9: And with the marine shore adjacency and with the sensitive ecosystems,

[0:17:45] Voice 9: not all of these are on Denman Island,

[0:17:48] Voice 9: but all of these are within the Island Trust area.

[0:17:52] Voice 9: And for the sensitive ecosystems,

[0:17:56] Voice 9: ecosystems it's just for the primary class within a polygon and if there isn't a sense of ecosystem

[0:18:03] Voice 9: it's just assigned a suitability of very high with respect to sensitive ecosystems because

[0:18:08] Voice 9: they're not there and if there is a sensitive ecosystem listed then it it has been classified

[0:18:18] Voice 9: or assigned a sustainability factor of very low.

[0:18:22] Voice 9: And that advice came to us from staff

[0:18:26] Voice 9: at the Island Trust Conservancy.

[0:18:29] Voice 9: At-risk ecological communities,

[0:18:31] Voice 9: again, there's three classes, yellow, blue, and red,

[0:18:34] Voice 9: that are provided by the province.

[0:18:36] Voice 9: And then they're provided a sustainability rating

[0:18:40] Voice 9: or factor from very high to low.

[0:18:44] Voice 9: low and um and that was supplied also by um staff at the island stress Conservancy and then um the

[0:18:54] Voice 9: dominant age of of the landscape came from um from the vegetation resource inventory and yeah these

[0:19:04] Voice 9: are ages so of course like very high age um greater than a hundred years is a very low suitability

[0:19:12] Voice 9: factor and road adjacency and steep slopes is quite straightforward if you have a very steep

[0:19:19] Voice 9: slope it's very hard to build on it so that's provided a low suitability factor and if it's

[0:19:25] Voice 9: a flat line land it's it's a higher suitability factor based on steep slopes all of these layers

[0:19:35] Voice 9: here have been put into a layered pdf and and the results are presented here this is a static tool

[0:19:42] Voice 9: So if there's changes in the weighting, this cannot happen dynamically.

[0:19:47] Voice 9: However, our team, Lennon and I, have identified a pathway forward to have more of an online interactive tool that can be an engaging process that can dynamically make changes in real time to changing of the values,

[0:20:10] Voice 9: and as well as exploring the island more in a map-based style

[0:20:16] Voice 9: rather than like a static paper-based style.

[0:20:22] Voice 9: So maybe before I close out the presentation,

[0:20:25] Voice 9: I'll stop here and through the chair if there's any questions.

[0:20:31] Voice 5: Christine, any questions at all?

[0:20:35] Voice 8: I have a question.

[0:20:38] Voice 8: It was my understanding that one of the layers that we would find useful on Demmen

[0:20:42] Voice 8: would be a cultural heritage layer provided by the Comox First Nation. So I don't see that in your

[0:20:50] Voice 8: presentation, but I presume there's no limit to the number of layers that we can have,

[0:20:55] Voice 8: and they would be each community, each island would probably have a unique set of layers that

[0:21:01] Voice 8: they would want to have as part of the suitable land analysis.

[0:21:06] Voice 9: Yeah, I'll let Narissa speak to

[0:21:08] Voice 9: that one that's okay yeah

[0:21:09] Voice 1: i can i can speak to the the cultural heritage layer uh and so um first of

[0:21:14] Voice 1: all trustee graham yes your assumption is correct um with respect to adding additional layers

[0:21:19] Voice 1: that's the the that's one of the great things about this particular um model and methodology

[0:21:27] Voice 1: is that you can add more layers over time um with respect to adding a cultural heritage layer

[0:21:33] Voice 1: we have a meeting planned with

[0:21:36] Voice 1: Comox on the 5th of March

[0:21:38] Voice 1: where we'll be sharing with them

[0:21:40] Voice 1: we wanted to share the maps with the

[0:21:42] Voice 1: trustees first

[0:21:44] Voice 1: so on the 5th we'll be

[0:21:46] Voice 1: having a meeting with

[0:21:48] Voice 1: Comox

[0:21:48] Voice 1: to share the Denman

[0:21:52] Voice 1: and the Hornby maps

[0:21:53] Voice 1: they're very very excited

[0:21:55] Voice 1: to see these maps and they have also

[0:21:58] Voice 1: done their own mapping on cultural heritage

[0:22:00] Voice 1: so that's internal, it's an internal

[0:22:02] Voice 1: internal report that's been shared with Sonia and I. So we are aware of the areas that they

[0:22:09] Voice 1: are considering. And as you know, there's some sensitivity around how those types of layers

[0:22:15] Voice 1: can be displayed. So that's one of the conversations that we'll be having with them

[0:22:22] Voice 1: is a bit around that. Okay. Any other

[0:22:30] Voice 8: questions? One more, if I may.

[0:22:35] Voice 5: Certainly. You did mention

[0:22:37] Voice 8: the opportunity for community groups to supply, I think you said, certain community groups can

[0:22:43] Voice 8: supply certain data, which is very valuable considering some of these groups. And I'm

[0:22:48] Voice 8: thinking of the Dem and Conservancy has been mapping and been very involved with water course

[0:22:53] Voice 8: mapping for decades. So they have a wealth of information. I don't know how practical it is for

[0:23:01] Voice 8: Or they're mapping information to become a layer that we can use.

[0:23:07] Voice 8: But that would be ideal in my estimation.

[0:23:10] Voice 8: I'm sure the community would love to see a Dem and Conservancy Association layer adding their data to this.

[0:23:23] Voice 1: Do you want to speak to that?

[0:23:23] Voice 1: I can speak to that a little bit.

[0:23:25] Voice 1: I think that would be, I mean, that's part of what we, so the way that I like to think about this tool is it's the beginning of a conversation.

[0:23:31] Voice 1: So we've added what we, the parts of the conversation that we know that have been accessible to us, we've put together. But there's opportunity to continue, as we've said, to add additional layers. And what's important is that this suitable land analysis has meaning for the community.

[0:23:54] Voice 1: Because if you're going to use it in your projects, then this data needs to be ground truth. Whatever information that is accessible and available, it would be ideal to be able to integrate some of that.

[0:24:08] Voice 1: so it'll be and and we can um i think as part of this process as i mentioned before there's an

[0:24:14] Voice 1: opportunity perhaps by by the end of our conversation uh for if you want to um identify

[0:24:20] Voice 1: um if you what next steps you want to take with um with community engagement and one one process

[0:24:26] Voice 1: may be to organize a community information meeting but prior to that ask for those that do have

[0:24:34] Voice 1: have information to share, to send it to staff so that we can look at it and identify how we can

[0:24:39] Voice 1: effectively integrate it into the process. And I think the other cool thing here, too, is that

[0:24:44] Voice 1: when you said they've mapped, like, the waterways and stuff, that's the Comox Nation have also,

[0:24:51] Voice 1: they have a biologist that they have hired, and they are, their biologist is going to be working

[0:24:57] Voice 1: in with um one of their traditional land uh traditional knowledge keepers um to look at

[0:25:04] Voice 1: like some some of these similar things like historically where have um you know waterways

[0:25:08] Voice 1: been and stuff so that that feels really exciting to be able to potentially um you know bring these

[0:25:15] Voice 1: these these layers of of of current understanding community-based knowledge um from both

[0:25:21] Voice 1: perspectives together would be cool hey

[0:25:29] Voice 5: thank you planner chadwick anybody else uh if not we'll add

[0:25:33] Voice 5: it back to mr shuba i do have a couple of quick

[0:25:36] Voice 4: quick questions and there's

[0:25:38] Voice 5: a lot of

[0:25:38] Voice 4: yeah i and

[0:25:40] Voice 4: i apologize for being a little bit late i was coming in from some some other work training

[0:25:44] Voice 4: um and then i had technical difficulties getting in so i i apologize for being a little bit behind

[0:25:50] Voice 4: the eight ball here. So yeah, the first thing I guess was just, and you guys may have addressed

[0:25:56] Voice 4: this before and I didn't hear it. But I was wondering, number one, William, is this presentation

[0:26:04] Voice 4: going to be able to be sent to us?

[0:26:09] Voice 9: Yeah, via PDF, yeah.

[0:26:11] Voice 4: Yeah, no, that would be

[0:26:12] Voice 9: great. And it's also be, this meeting's also being

[0:26:15] Voice 9: recorded as well, so.

[0:26:17] Voice 4: Sure, yeah, just I would like to be able

[0:26:19] Voice 4: to go through the data. There's a lot of data and the rate at which we're able to go through it is

[0:26:24] Voice 4: not... I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty of it here. Anyways, I just wanted to see if I

[0:26:28] Voice 4: would have access to that at another point. That would be great. And yeah, I'm similar to what

[0:26:36] Voice 4: Trustee Graham was talking about in terms of integration of local knowledge, and I know that

[0:26:39] Voice 4: that has been an issue or a question that has come up. I'm just curious in terms of, obviously,

[0:26:46] Voice 4: obviously, there's a tremendous amount of work to assemble all of this and to sort of put it

[0:26:50] Voice 4: together. But from what I gather, and from conversations we've had in the past, like,

[0:26:54] Voice 4: you know, a lot of the work in terms of building the infrastructure is now pretty close. And so

[0:26:59] Voice 4: you guys have, you know, built the framework for this to exist within. How complicated is it to

[0:27:07] Voice 4: create new layers? You know, what does that involve? Obviously, I know there's a lot of

[0:27:13] Voice 4: of questions, like it'll depend on the completeness and the quality of the data that you receive

[0:27:17] Voice 4: and from where it's coming from, and you've got to verify things and whatever else. I totally

[0:27:21] Voice 4: understand that those are things, but assuming that you had a trustworthy source with a relatively

[0:27:26] Voice 4: complete data set, you know, what does it look like to integrate that in? What's the timeline

[0:27:33] Voice 4: on that? Like, is this something where if we had someone come forward with a perfect set of data,

[0:27:38] Voice 4: data, which obviously is not a real thing.

[0:27:42] Voice 4: But if we had someone come forward with a dream set of data, you know, would we be looking

[0:27:46] Voice 4: at six months to a year, obviously, I know that this is all tied into your sort of manpower,

[0:27:51] Voice 4: you know, in your department, and I totally appreciate that those are restrictions.

[0:27:55] Voice 4: But I'm just curious, because if there's if there is a set of information, and this is

[0:27:59] Voice 4: when I give my rationale here up front, because I sometimes get ahead of myself by asking

[0:28:03] Voice 4: questions and not providing why.

[0:28:04] Voice 4: why but um say for example we get such a set of data that feels important and is significant to

[0:28:11] Voice 4: our community that comes forward in the next couple of months is that going to then are we

[0:28:15] Voice 4: then going to be looking at another year before we're able to present this publicly um that that's

[0:28:20] Voice 4: the that's what i worry we might wind up in that sort of situation so i'm just curious and you may

[0:28:26] Voice 4: not have to be able to answer it completely but yeah

[0:28:29] Voice 9: uh yeah so through the chair there's a lot

[0:28:31] Voice 9: there um because i think i think your your question is balancing on um what the existing

[0:28:39] Voice 9: tool can do and then what a project of the ltc looks like because if you're talking like

[0:28:45] Voice 9: data sets within the next months and then including them like lennon's contract is done by

[0:28:51] Voice 9: the end of the fiscal so then that would be beyond that so and that's uh you know discussions of a

[0:28:58] Voice 9: project uh right now the the tool is quite manual like we didn't really build we didn't build a tool

[0:29:06] Voice 9: that we would want to build this is a a project that we inherited and and so we're just kind of

[0:29:12] Voice 9: making it work um and the tool is actually kind of finicky the what that runs the suitability tool

[0:29:19] Voice 9: on arc pro and and if we were to have a more involved project we can create something that's

[0:29:25] Voice 9: more of an online tool interactive tool that that um in in my understanding of it you can swap layers

[0:29:32] Voice 9: in and out so the the processing of of of the layers can and take some time we had to work a

[0:29:41] Voice 9: little bit on this salt risk of salt water intrusion layer because yeah for some reason

[0:29:46] Voice 9: the provincial data set doesn't go to the coastline and so since it wasn't going to the

[0:29:51] Voice 9: coastline it was showing zero in their suitability modeler so that wasn't good so we needed to massage

[0:29:57] Voice 9: that a little bit and well not we landon did

[0:30:00] Voice 9: um so say if um if the uh denman island conservancy came up with uh like the dream

[0:30:07] Voice 9: wetland data set right because we have sensitive ecosystems and in the recharge uh potential

[0:30:14] Voice 9: mapping there there was a layer called like it's kind of a wet areas layer but it you know

[0:30:18] Voice 9: on the ground mapping of wetlands and and that's like a sensitive ecosystem then there can be like

[0:30:25] Voice 9: a mosaic layer that can happen where where those where those um wetlands get imprinted onto sense

[0:30:32] Voice 9: of ecosystems or just its own layer and and that's and then and then we and then you know the ltc and

[0:30:40] Voice 9: and and the community with staff uh assign a overall weighting to that layer on how important

[0:30:46] Voice 9: wetlands are and that can be included in the in the analysis um so the answer is yes um

[0:30:55] Voice 9: like data sets can can be brought in and used and and they can be in various spatial quality

[0:31:02] Voice 9: um it that that's part of the difficulty though it's that's not really straightforward but it's

[0:31:08] Voice 9: possible um i see that landon kind of toggled his mute on and off there so maybe he wants to

[0:31:14] Voice 9: say something about that as well

[0:31:16] Voice 6: yeah

[0:31:17] Voice 2: and if it's incorporated the project and you have a good idea

[0:31:20] Voice 2: of what format the data is in then can help in bringing that in and if there is for instance

[0:31:29] Voice 2: tree locations significant tree locations and someone's gone out with a gps and just taken

[0:31:36] Voice 2: individual gps and put an excel file then that'll take a little bit more processing but

[0:31:41] Voice 2: if we've then done that be able to process it from just point locations and excel file

[0:31:48] Voice 2: to point locations and that process is done and it'll be easier to do that and that's that's

[0:31:53] Voice 2: incorporating sort of what we were talking about that community mapping process what are people

[0:31:57] Voice 2: comfortable with um how how are they mapping and uh sort of taking inventory of the places that

[0:32:05] Voice 2: are important to them and then incorporating to the broader model yeah

[0:32:09] Voice 4: so and i guess part of the

[0:32:11] Voice 4: sorry nurse go ahead no

[0:32:13] Voice 1: i was just going to speak to the like like in term of the pros like

[0:32:17] Voice 1: process and timing. There's a difference between the technical timing and the process. And I think

[0:32:22] Voice 1: that was what William sort of pointed to. And so in terms of process and timing, what I'm gathering

[0:32:28] Voice 1: from the science guys is that, yes, it can be done depending on what kind of quality of data

[0:32:37] Voice 1: it is. It may take more or less time, but it's not an impossible task. And it could be an easy

[0:32:44] Voice 1: task depending on the the value of

[0:32:46] Voice 1: the data but in terms of process um that's where like you know

[0:32:52] Voice 1: we have Landon until the end of March so if we get data tomorrow this is I'm assuming this right

[0:32:59] Voice 1: Landon and William if we get if

[0:33:01] Voice 1: we get that data tomorrow we could have it by the time Landon

[0:33:04] Voice 1: leaves if we don't get it by the time Landon leaves uh or you know unless we can extend his

[0:33:09] Voice 1: contact somehow then it then then I think it would then fall into kind of a minor project

[0:33:13] Voice 1: project bucket for the ltc so that's where the process starts to and again i mean there may be

[0:33:18] Voice 1: other there may be other ways but that's that's the most immediate um process thinking that i

[0:33:25] Voice 1: that i can uh that i have in my head here and

[0:33:28] Voice 4: if i i can maybe just clarify my point a little bit

[0:33:32] Voice 4: and i know trusty graham's got a point that he wants to make too but um i was never in doubt

[0:33:38] Voice 4: that you guys would be able to integrate information obviously i would expect that

[0:33:42] Voice 4: you would have to verify and vet that information and then obviously depending on the format it'll

[0:33:46] Voice 4: be easier or harder um you know that that part i i think i sort of understand that process um and and

[0:33:54] Voice 4: you know uh as anyone not doing actually your job can um you know i understand that you've got those

[0:34:00] Voice 4: concerns to to sort of bear in mind there um i guess what my point is uh and i and i this has

[0:34:07] Voice 4: sort of led me to another thing which is also if there are preferred ways in which of mapping data

[0:34:12] Voice 4: that are preferential to you that would be a really good thing for us to be able to relay

[0:34:17] Voice 4: to community groups so like demo conservancy has a bunch of like very talented scientifically

[0:34:24] Voice 4: trained people but if they've been capturing information in a way that's not immediately

[0:34:29] Voice 4: useful to you we don't want to duplicate that work and i'm sure a lot of them would be very

[0:34:32] Voice 4: happy to capture that information in a way that is easier to integrate were they only to know what

[0:34:37] Voice 4: that is so that's a good question for i think down the line as we do start to do this community

[0:34:41] Voice 4: engagement is like well what is a useful way for you guys to receive information um what's going

[0:34:46] Voice 4: to expedite the process of incorporating that into our systems um you know and and you know what are

[0:34:52] Voice 4: some things that they can do to prepare their data if they if it's important to them to have it in

[0:34:56] Voice 4: integrated in the system what are some things steps they can do to make that as easy for you

[0:35:01] Voice 4: guys as possible um because i'm sure that they would be happy to do that in a lot of cases

[0:35:04] Voice 4: I guess the thing for me is a little bit more on that sort of process side, and yeah, absolutely,

[0:35:10] Voice 4: a project might well have to be assigned to add another layer. I get that from the legislative

[0:35:18] Voice 4: side of that. I guess what I was thinking was, so assuming you got a project and assuming you

[0:35:23] Voice 4: had a bunch of data that you've ascertained is useful and let's say it's not in an immediately

[0:35:33] Voice 4: useful format. So say, for example, Landon, you made the example of it being an Excel sheet with

[0:35:38] Voice 4: a bunch of significant trees and with GPS markers. To get that information, if we had a certain that

[0:35:45] Voice 4: it's good, and we want to have it on there as a layer, are we looking at like, with a minor

[0:35:51] Voice 4: project? Is that something that like, might take six months with if you've, you know, hired someone

[0:35:56] Voice 4: to be able to sort of like be, say, we hire Landon to do that? Is that something to be like,

[0:36:01] Voice 4: like, oh, yeah, no, we can add a layer in six or so months. And the reason that I ask this,

[0:36:09] Voice 4: and again, this is sort of I think about contextualizing my point is like,

[0:36:12] Voice 4: as we get more information, and obviously, William, I totally get that you like your point

[0:36:18] Voice 4: in terms of this is not necessarily the tool you would have built how you would have built it

[0:36:22] Voice 4: from the technical side. But with the tool that as we have it now, how flexible is it? How

[0:36:31] Voice 4: how, how, how long is the turnaround before we can add data that we feel is valuable to it?

[0:36:37] Voice 4: You know, I, I guess that's sort of like, how are, how quickly are we going to be able to adapt this

[0:36:42] Voice 4: in future? And I'm thinking like long-term, I'm not necessarily even thinking within this term,

[0:36:47] Voice 4: just for future reference for other trustees, for other LTECs, you know? And this is not a

[0:36:53] Voice 4: question of like, there's no judgment here. I'm just curious as to like what that process kind

[0:36:57] Voice 4: kind of looks like that's i hope that making my subsets yeah

[0:37:02] Voice 9: yeah you are and i will let

[0:37:03] Voice 9: lennon speak to this but um i think um yeah i think it just begs for the option to

[0:37:14] Voice 9: to design this out as the tool that can they can have some permanency and relevancy to planners

[0:37:22] Voice 9: as we go forward down to even the parcel level when they're adjudicating rezoning applications

[0:37:27] Voice 9: applications and that's all part of that um the the way that we're doing it right now um you know

[0:37:34] Voice 9: like to process it's hard to know on processing data like lennon said it could be a shotgun boss

[0:37:39] Voice 9: but you know like yeah if there's if there's really nice shape files of of wetlands and we

[0:37:46] Voice 9: could just bring them in and do like a little bit of magic on it and and just take out that

[0:37:51] Voice 9: sensitive ecosystem layer and just put in wetlands and that's all we care about um and then just to

[0:37:56] Voice 9: define it the same value we can hot swap that and and then turn it around to the ltc and you know

[0:38:03] Voice 9: and and however like that time the timing for for how like i don't know how that looks on the

[0:38:10] Voice 9: planner side like it comes back in a meeting or update or whatever but um it's it's definitely

[0:38:17] Voice 9: not real time in one day and yeah you know and but it's not six months okay like you mentioned

[0:38:23] Voice 1: you

[0:38:24] Voice 9: know what i mean like like yeah no if

[0:38:25] Voice 9: we get data and if it's and if it's decent right then

[0:38:29] Voice 9: then you know we can do a reanalysis in you know five to ten business days right like especially

[0:38:36] Voice 9: especially after the fiscal year ends when it kind of slows down a little bit in the springtime right

[0:38:41] Voice 9: so um but we're not looking at like building this whole like modeling like because none of the like

[0:38:48] Voice 9: Like, just to kind of bring it home is that we didn't generate, like, we didn't create any data for this methodology, right?

[0:38:56] Voice 9: We were just using data layers that they already had either given to us or we had got from the province or in previous projects.

[0:39:05] Voice 9: So, yes, of course, the recharge data layers are from one of my projects.

[0:39:09] Voice 9: Landon is the architect of the methodology for the resiliency.

[0:39:13] Voice 9: But that was already done, right?

[0:39:14] Voice 9: Right. We just took those. We're pretty much just trying to do a methodological process to present like a resulting map in the same way that a planner would try to look at all the data layers of a parcel and come up with their own suitability in their mind of what that is.

[0:39:34] Voice 9: We just kind of did the map calculator version of that. Right. And then that goes to the planner and to the LTC to make decisions.

[0:39:41] Voice 9: decisions. This is really a regional tool, it looks like, right? Regionally speaking,

[0:39:45] Voice 9: these are the areas of suitability. But as Narissa and I experienced today, we zoomed

[0:39:51] Voice 9: in on some parcels on Denman Island, and it makes a lot of sense looking at the suitability

[0:39:56] Voice 9: of a particular parcel. So yeah, hopefully that answers your question. I'm not trying

[0:40:01] Voice 9: to be brief.

[0:40:02] Voice 9: No,

[0:40:02] Voice 4: no. And yeah, I guess I was just sort of trying to get a sense of like, so if there's

[0:40:08] Voice 4: a new piece of information, assuming that we've gone through the process steps on, on, you know,

[0:40:12] Voice 4: that are outside the technical implementation, um, uh, that are, you know, verifying the data,

[0:40:18] Voice 4: you know, deciding that it's of value to the LTC, those parts, assuming that those tools are in

[0:40:27] Voice 4: place. I'm just, I was curious about how flexible it is and how quickly you can sort of start to

[0:40:31] Voice 4: implement that data. Cause that obviously means that you've got much shorter timelines for an LTC

[0:40:37] Voice 4: see to you know a new ltc comes in with wildly different perspectives maybe they care deeply

[0:40:42] Voice 4: about where every alder tree is on the island and assuming that we magically get that ridiculous

[0:40:48] Voice 4: piece of data uh you know maybe they care about every eagle's nest that's a specific piece that

[0:40:53] Voice 4: they want to have on there and and like if that trustee comes in is like i care deeply about where

[0:40:58] Voice 4: every raptor's nest is how quickly could that be implemented and start to be a part of that process

[0:41:03] Voice 4: process that that's what i was curious about and it's not about like i mean if it takes three years

[0:41:07] Voice 4: to do it then it takes three years to do it if it takes less than six months that's obviously

[0:41:13] Voice 4: much more quickly becoming a useful planning tool on the ground and that was sort of i guess what i

[0:41:18] Voice 4: was trying to hone it on but thank you yeah

[0:41:20] Voice 9: and then and then part of that discussion is like okay

[0:41:23] Voice 9: we have a raptor's nest uh layer which is fair i mean you can put a big buffer around just points

[0:41:28] Voice 9: points and and it's look 500 meters the buffer and that's unsuitable and we can implement that call

[0:41:35] Voice 9: it like you know simple map of all the spots and then it just and then the discussion comes well

[0:41:42] Voice 9: how how much value out of 100 is that worth right and where is it going to borrow from from a

[0:41:47] Voice 9: different layer and and um that's a that I that's kind of like the enriched discussion that that I'm

[0:41:53] Voice 9: looking forward to right because that's

[0:41:55] Voice 9: we're really trying to determine what are the values of

[0:41:58] Voice 9: of, of, of the community or the LTC when looking at areas potentially for, uh, increasing intensity

[0:42:04] Voice 9: and density of housing. Right. Yeah.

[0:42:07] Voice 4: Yeah. Well, and again, that, that follows into another

[0:42:10] Voice 4: question of, I know that trustee Graham had a question that he had, but I do have a question

[0:42:14] Voice 4: about, uh, sort of the political methodology of, of, um, evaluating layer weighting, uh, on a

[0:42:22] Voice 4: regular basis, just cause I'm interested to see it on what sort of timeline that would be expected

[0:42:27] Voice 4: to happen. But I think David did have his hand up, so I don't want to monopolize your time.

[0:42:35] Voice 8: Cool. Okay. Just a couple of things. So I heard that if we can get the Denman Conservancy

[0:42:43] Voice 8: talking to Landon before the end of March, we may be able to incorporate some of their data.

[0:42:49] Voice 8: Is that correct?

[0:42:55] Voice 9: We can consider the data. We really need to know what they have. So

[0:43:00] Voice 9: So the opportunity to connect with the Demand Conservancy

[0:43:04] Voice 9: before a land use contract is over is definitely there.

[0:43:07] Voice 9: And if we have a discussion

[0:43:12] Voice 9: and maybe we bring in the Island Trust Conservancy

[0:43:15] Voice 9: and we talk about the data that's coming in

[0:43:19] Voice 9: and maybe the shortcomings of at-risk ecological communities

[0:43:23] Voice 9: and saying, okay, well, it's a good opportunity

[0:43:25] Voice 9: to take out one of the layers that we're not too confident in

[0:43:30] Voice 9: and put on a layer of confidence of the community like that's that there's a lot of value in that

[0:43:36] Voice 9: so just it would just be um you know like i think the technical aspect of like gis and mapping is

[0:43:44] Voice 9: is is fine that's just technical stuff but i think what len is saying is if it's like

[0:43:49] Voice 9: paper maps and or or lived experience and oral history and stuff like that like those kind of

[0:43:56] Voice 9: that could be a longer process to get that into a spatial data map but um i'm pretty sure that

[0:44:03] Voice 9: there there's likely wealth of data out there and local conservation and water champion groups that

[0:44:10] Voice 9: that we're missing for sure and and that um um that are likely in good enough shape that we can

[0:44:17] Voice 9: integrate them into the the suitability modeler yeah

[0:44:21] Voice 8: i'm gonna take that

[0:44:23] Voice 8: as a yes to my question

[0:44:24] Voice 8: Well,

[0:44:25] Voice 9: it's a yes to having that coordination and engagement with the conservancy. Whether or not we can integrate it into the tool by the time when it's done, we'll need to see what we get.

[0:44:41] Voice 8: That wasn't my question. My question was, I want to put the DCA people together with the person that makes it happen. And if the data is suitable, then we use it. And if it's not, you don't use it. I mean, it's as simple as that. But if you want buy-in from the community, and I'm sure this is probably the same in any community, you need to acknowledge that the wealth of data that's been collected over the decades by, as Trustee Borthwick mentioned, these are really clever people.

[0:45:09] Voice 8: These are often retired ground truthing experts, planners, engineers, architects, land architects.

[0:45:17] Voice 8: These are people that know their stuff, which is why they got involved in the organization in the first place, because they're passionate and educated.

[0:45:25] Voice 8: So I'm confident that at least some of that data that they have, wetland data, absolutely, is going to be useful to us.

[0:45:32] Voice 8: The other unique aspect of Demeran is almost half of it's in the agricultural land reserve.

[0:45:37] Voice 8: So that, despite its suitability for increased population, we don't have the authority to use that land, basically. I mean, they trump us. I hate using that word, but it's a small t. And so, you know, that's a layer that I'm sure that's an easy one to do. Zoning must be an easy thing that we have on that, as one of those layers.

[0:46:03] Voice 8: bears. Now, as far as the practicality of this tool, and it is a tool, and I understand that.

[0:46:08] Voice 8: Ideally, you would apply this tool to a bare island, which has not been zoned. So you would

[0:46:15] Voice 8: take this bare island of trees and wetlands, and you would say, using this particular tool,

[0:46:21] Voice 8: here's the obvious place to put population. But we don't have a bare island. We have a fully

[0:46:25] Voice 8: developed island. We have a fully zoned island. We have all the infrastructure, all the roads.

[0:46:29] Voice 8: We're not going to be building any more roads on Demet. Trust me, that's not going to happen.

[0:46:33] Voice 8: Um, and, and this tool is mostly useful, I believe, where you're looking at high density,

[0:46:38] Voice 8: um, development applications.

[0:46:40] Voice 8: Well, you know, uh, we're not going to go through that in this term, and we're probably

[0:46:45] Voice 8: not going to go through that through next term, because just because we zone a piece

[0:46:49] Voice 8: of property for that use, there's no money to build anything.

[0:46:52] Voice 8: We have two pieces of property that are zoned already for high use development.

[0:46:55] Voice 8: They don't have a nickel.

[0:46:56] Voice 8: So that's not going to happen.

[0:46:57] Voice 8: So the zoning of that land is not a high priority for this particular iteration of the local

[0:47:01] Voice 8: trust committee.

[0:47:01] Voice 8: What we're looking at is amending our housing bylaws and regulations to maybe increase to a degree the potential for some rentals and hopefully some of those rentals can be used for affordable housing.

[0:47:16] Voice 8: I'm not saying the tools are not useful. It's a great tool. I just don't see it being particularly practical for the work that we're doing in this particular project that we've got going on right here.

[0:47:28] Voice 8: That's just my feeling.

[0:47:29] Voice 8: I've

[0:47:30] Voice 6: lived on the island

[0:47:31] Voice 8: for over 30 years.

[0:47:32] Voice 8: I've been a trustee for 12.

[0:47:34] Voice 8: I kind of know my ropes around.

[0:47:35] Voice 8: So, you know, it's not the science.

[0:47:38] Voice 8: This is where the rubber hits the road, as they say.

[0:47:41] Voice 8: And I'll be quiet now.

[0:47:42] Voice 5: Okay, so you plan a shadow that has your hand up.

[0:47:44] Voice 1: Yeah, well, I mean, as you say, I mean, there's opportunities to look at this for small increases in density.

[0:47:52] Voice 1: But also, you know, there's always been sort of this talk about, you know, is there a place for another coho kind of situation?

[0:48:01] Voice 1: On Gabriola, and well, I've been working through various bylaws and various approaches, and this is what I'll also be writing up for you as well for Main Island and for Gabriola is the idea of a, like a clustered housing zone, for example, like small clustered housing.

[0:48:20] Voice 1: So these are the little things that we're looking at. And, you know, even looking at sort of like a small clustered housing development, it is useful to know whether the location should not be considered or whether it looks like it could be considered.

[0:48:41] Voice 8: I appreciate that. But again, let's just look at how it actually works on an island. You are lucky to get a piece of property donated. I mean, you can wait decades before you actually have an opportunity for one piece of property to be looked at. And it may not be the ideal piece of property for that community, but it's the only piece of property you've got.

[0:49:01] Voice 8: not. We don't have any crown land on Denman Island anymore. We've got lots of park land,

[0:49:05] Voice 8: which is beautiful, but the rest of the land is privately owned. And I don't know if you want to

[0:49:10] Voice 8: use Coho as an example for a planted community because they don't use groundwater. So all of

[0:49:15] Voice 8: that data that you've got in those layers, recharge, wetlands, all that well data, salt,

[0:49:22] Voice 8: water intrusion is meaningless if that community is going to use 100% rainwater for their domestic

[0:49:28] Voice 8: domestic use and that's just how it is i

[0:49:33] Voice 1: think you'll be interested to

[0:49:34] Voice 1: see what the maps look

[0:49:35] Voice 1: like yeah also quite

[0:49:37] Voice 1: happy yeah

[0:49:39] Voice 9: just kind of touch upon a few things so um on a green island

[0:49:44] Voice 9: uh yeah it'd likely be it'd be a mix because it might be because probably like a lot of

[0:49:50] Voice 9: ecosystems that are of importance and full trees but not a lot of wells and and roads so hard to

[0:49:57] Voice 9: know what like just a green island would be but um out of all the five islands it a suitable

[0:50:04] Voice 9: land analysis has actually worked out on them and probably the best um and and the one thing about

[0:50:10] Voice 9: uh the narrative of uh like a development um will be using rainwater so um the the groundwater

[0:50:20] Voice 9: layers don't pertain well but they do because there's the existing user and so the the intention

[0:50:26] Voice 9: is to is to look at all of the like when like when planners look at every zoning they're looking at

[0:50:34] Voice 9: all the data and impact neighbors and so if it's a very high densely populated area and and then

[0:50:41] Voice 9: there's a recharge zone and and there's a massive subdivision the version is going to go in the

[0:50:46] Voice 9: recharge zone because we're using rainwater it's what you know there's going to be impact to to

[0:50:52] Voice 9: the community there so it's likely lowering the suitability of that parcel so but um but this is

[0:50:59] Voice 9: this is where the the the rubber hits the road as you say i'm going to share with you the map and we

[0:51:04] Voice 9: get to look at your island and and you know you folks know a lot more about your island than than

[0:51:10] Voice 9: we do and especially a lot more than a machine that processes maps does so let's um let's let's

[0:51:19] Voice 9: just go into the map here and then um i'll just show uh the first i'll show the final analysis

[0:51:28] Voice 9: just to give you a look at what this thing looks like and then i'll i'll just quickly go through

[0:51:33] Voice 9: each layer of um it won't be the raw layer it'll be the like the suitability of each layer uh because

[0:51:43] Voice 9: i think that makes the most sense so here's your here's your beautiful island and long for the day

[0:51:49] Voice 9: to get back there it's been a while a few of my friends on your island have to have children so

[0:51:53] Voice 9: i'm excited to go see them um and and so i'm just going to turn off world imagery if you don't mind

[0:51:59] Voice 9: we have parcels on here and i think we can navigate the island not bad with the imagery off

[0:52:06] Voice 9: so um here and i apologize on how small this text is on the side this is a layered pdf and we can't

[0:52:13] Voice 9: increase the text size again this is the limitation of presenting in this way if it was a nice online

[0:52:19] Voice 9: tool like like we can envision it it'd be a lot more cleaner but let's just go um so this is

[0:52:25] Voice 9: the overall like let's call it intrinsic suitability of of denman island so the or

[0:52:35] Voice 9: of the analysis that we prove that we performed with the weighting that we provided where green

[0:52:41] Voice 9: is suitable um yellow and this like peach color is moderate and and then red is unsuitable so

[0:52:51] Voice 9: there's not really truly red like unsuitable unsuitable areas along the coastline here

[0:52:58] Voice 9: there's a little bit um but there's there's a lot of uh there's a lot of potential here and

[0:53:05] Voice 9: And let's just look at, I got Landon to make a layer of just moderate to high suitability.

[0:53:14] Voice 9: And then everything that's low suitability or very low is just in white.

[0:53:19] Voice 9: And I think that's helpful.

[0:53:21] Voice 9: So here is areas of moderate to high suitability is all the areas of color.

[0:53:29] Voice 9: And the white areas are areas of unsuitability.

[0:53:35] Voice 9: so you can see here in the conservancy land that there's low suitability there um and yeah at any

[0:53:43] Voice 9: given time you can stop me and and and if you want me to zoom into a particular um parcel we can like

[0:53:49] Voice 9: we can look at the co-host sites um where is it right there or we can look at some sites in the

[0:53:55] Voice 9: north uh but what i wanted to touch upon is a very good point that trustee graham brought up is what

[0:54:01] Voice 9: What about ALR and Covenant and protected lands?

[0:54:06] Voice 9: We don't feel like that's needed to put into the technical analysis

[0:54:11] Voice 9: just because it's just like a non-opportunity.

[0:54:16] Voice 9: So what we did instead is we just have it as a separate layer.

[0:54:20] Voice 9: And so that's all the agricultural land is.

[0:54:25] Voice 9: Unfortunately, it's in yellow.

[0:54:26] Voice 9: We should have put it in to gray, but our model crashed.

[0:54:29] Voice 9: but you can see all the opportunity uh just kind of be erased in the areas of alr and that makes

[0:54:39] Voice 9: sense like it's flat line land they're big parcels there's not a lot of well density and and it's

[0:54:45] Voice 9: suitable but but of course it's it's not um not feasible to to um go there because of its

[0:54:53] Voice 9: regulatory nature and then we have covenants put on there and then also protected areas

[0:54:58] Voice 9: So you can see quite rapidly that once you put on the planner's lens of this, that there's a lot of suitable land that is not suitable for residential expansion.

[0:55:13] Voice 9: You can see that there's some parcels that aren't in those protected areas that are showing areas of suitability, which is interesting to look at, and of course other large tracts of land that show low suitability.

[0:55:36] Voice 9: so with that in mind i'm just going to turn off the the unless there's any questions i'll turn

[0:55:40] Voice 9: off the agricultural and covenant areas because it's there's a lot going on there so um i'm just

[0:55:47] Voice 9: going to go through the layers quickly and then we can come back and then have a discussion and

[0:55:51] Voice 9: if we want to zoom into parcels we can do that so marine shore adjacency that this marine shore

[0:55:57] Voice 9: zones have been provided by the honest trust conservancy and and there's a hundred meter

[0:56:03] Voice 9: buffer on it and red means unsuitable and and yellow to green means suitable so you can see

[0:56:10] Voice 9: of course that the marine marine shore adjacency shows unsuitability and and you know this is also

[0:56:16] Voice 9: an area of opportunity to have um uh you know like cultural sensitive zones on the coast and

[0:56:24] Voice 9: perhaps agricultural mapping which is difficult for us to share publicly so um i think that this

[0:56:31] Voice 9: There's an opportunity there to enrich that layer.

[0:56:36] Voice 9: Here's sensitive ecosystems.

[0:56:38] Voice 9: So again, red is unsuitable, green is suitable.

[0:56:43] Voice 9: So everywhere that you see a green polygon here is listed as non-sensitive.

[0:56:52] Voice 9: It doesn't have a sensitive ecosystem associated with it from the data set.

[0:56:59] Voice 9: Same thing with at-risk ecological communities.

[0:57:02] Voice 9: communities. The green is areas that aren't listed with at-risk ecological communities and

[0:57:08] Voice 9: the red is. So perhaps some of these circles here can be areas of rare species or even

[0:57:18] Voice 9: bird habitat. I'm not sure. I haven't looked into the data that closely. But yeah, you can see

[0:57:24] Voice 9: down here in the southern lands, there's a big section of at-risk ecological community.

[0:57:31] Voice 9: and then uh dominant age so uh this is from the vegetation resource inventory and um yeah so the

[0:57:40] Voice 9: the uh the more red parcels are unsuitable that that are listed as as having a greater age than

[0:57:49] Voice 9: areas of of green or yellow okay just moving on so groundwater recharge mapping so this kind of

[0:57:59] Voice 9: looks red but this is in between this is a moderate that the majority of the islands in

[0:58:05] Voice 9: the island trust area have a moderate recharge potential across the island um it's it's actually

[0:58:11] Voice 9: what supports the amount of groundwater withdrawal from the island we're quite blessed to have

[0:58:18] Voice 9: such good recharging islands it's interesting and rare so the the areas of green

[0:58:28] Voice 9: are of moderate or to low recharge potential.

[0:58:33] Voice 9: And so they're listed as a more suitable area

[0:58:38] Voice 9: for development.

[0:58:38] Voice 9: But as you see here, like any development

[0:58:42] Voice 9: will have its impact on groundwater recharge pretty much.

[0:58:49] Voice 9: Watershed resiliency, I'll turn back to this layer

[0:58:54] Voice 9: at the end, Landon can speak to it.

[0:58:56] Voice 9: So let's pass that for now.

[0:58:59] Voice 9: groundwater well density so you can see here in town of course there's um there's a high density

[0:59:04] Voice 9: of wells in the interior of the island uh there's less so and then down in the south there's a

[0:59:11] Voice 9: an intensity of well density there too it's pretty straightforward and risk of saltwater intrusion um

[0:59:20] Voice 9: it's the it's it's kind of it might be surprising to see that there's areas of low saltwater

[0:59:27] Voice 9: intrusion risk near the coast and and some that are uh higher inland and that's due to a few

[0:59:34] Voice 9: things that's due to uh well density as well as uh average depth of those wells and that's why you

[0:59:41] Voice 9: can see that there could be saltwater intrusion risk in the interior of the island and so here

[0:59:46] Voice 9: here, the high risk of saltwater intrusion is low suitability. And island slope.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: So steep slopes, it's hard to build on them.

[1:00:02] Voice 9: So here, and we obviously know the escarpment,

[1:00:06] Voice 9: so you can orientate yourself to the slopes here.

[1:00:10] Voice 9: And high slopes equals low suitability,

[1:00:13] Voice 9: and flat-lying areas is more suitable to help on.

[1:00:17] Voice 9: And then the last one is roads.

[1:00:19] Voice 9: And so it's just a buffer on the roads.

[1:00:23] Voice 9: So if you're closer to a road, it's more suitable.

[1:00:25] Voice 9: And if you're further away from a road, it's less suitable.

[1:00:29] Voice 9: it's an okay data set I think maybe looking at it as parcel frontage might be a little bit better

[1:00:35] Voice 9: but I think it kind of gets the point across that that if you're closer to a road it's more suitable

[1:00:41] Voice 9: to develop on and yeah and so those are the suitability layers as they're presented

[1:00:52] Voice 9: like as their suitability factor maybe I'll just turn over to Landon quickly and

[1:00:57] Voice 9: we could talk about watershed resiliency

[1:00:59] Voice 2: yeah thank you william so um i developed this um for

[1:01:04] Voice 2: the city of victoria um they're uh worried about the uh resiliency the vulnerability of their

[1:01:13] Voice 2: forests in uh the greater victoria water supply area in contributing to their drinking water

[1:01:20] Voice 2: So we developed resiliency and defined it as a system's ability to respond to disturbances.

[1:01:29] Voice 2: So these can be natural disturbances such as pine beetle infestation or wildfires, drought.

[1:01:37] Voice 2: And this is calculated in two different main parts, which are species diversity.

[1:01:44] Voice 2: So if we think of pine beetle infestation, if we have an entire forest stand of just pine trees, then that's going to have low resilience.

[1:01:54] Voice 2: But if we have a diverse system with proportionate population of different species and diversity of those species, that's going to have a variability in response to different types of fungus or like we were talking about pine beetle infestation.

[1:02:15] Voice 2: The second part is structural variability. So the size, the age, the dispersion, the crown closure, do we have mature herbs and ground vegetation as well with old growth trees?

[1:02:33] Voice 2: So the variability of those forest stands within the stand, but then also comparing it to its neighbors.

[1:02:42] Voice 2: So if we have a forest stand with that variability within itself, and it's also very different from its neighbors,

[1:02:51] Voice 2: then that's going to provide an additional variability in responses to those disturbances.

[1:03:00] Voice 2: So combining those both together, the structural variability, the species diversity, that's how this resiliency is calculated.

[1:03:08] Voice 2: And that's how we define the system's ability to respond to disturbances.

[1:03:18] Voice 9: Yeah, thanks, Landon. And so the scale is high resiliency is low suitability. Got that right?

[1:03:27] Voice 9: right yeah yeah and then the opposite is has has been modeled low low resiliency is is higher

[1:03:35] Voice 9: is higher suitability um okay so those are the the the data layers um uh just for interest sake

[1:03:49] Voice 9: we can can move in closer just see what like kind of the data looks like and here's the area of of

[1:03:56] Voice 9: um coho and and again we can look at uh i really like this see-through map because the whites

[1:04:05] Voice 9: actually see through so you can see in these in other white parcels if you just draw your eye to

[1:04:11] Voice 9: it that if you turn on um oh that's not a good one but if we turn on like say a sense of ecosystem

[1:04:18] Voice 9: that you can see all the red in in the white parts so uh so when we provide this this pdf to you i

[1:04:27] Voice 9: I encourage you to do this, to turn on the Denman,

[1:04:33] Voice 9: like Landon and Austin, and just look at the areas

[1:04:36] Voice 9: that are showing unsuitable and why.

[1:04:39] Voice 9: And we can see here, dominant age, these are older,

[1:04:43] Voice 9: well, they're mapped as older forests

[1:04:45] Voice 9: and groundwater recharge potential.

[1:04:47] Voice 9: You can see that there is some green here.

[1:04:49] Voice 9: So it's not a fast truth that if one of the layers shows

[1:04:55] Voice 9: shows an area of unsuitability, it doesn't mean that it's going to be unsuitable. It's

[1:05:00] Voice 9: just unsuitable for that value. And like we mentioned before, those values can be talked

[1:05:06] Voice 9: about and we can replace a certain value with another data set like wetlands and change

[1:05:13] Voice 9: its overall weighting. And that would change the look of the overall suitability map.

[1:05:21] Voice 9: out

[1:05:23] Voice 4: um just quickly william just while we're looking at

[1:05:25] Voice 4: this sort of through that lens and

[1:05:27] Voice 4: this is mostly just so that i don't forget but i feel like it's on this so uh from a planner's

[1:05:33] Voice 4: perspective and maybe narissa's a good person to it sorry narissa um uh so when a planner's looking

[1:05:43] Voice 4: at this and they get a specific application um obviously as you said before they're looking at

[1:05:47] Voice 4: the sort of neighborhood stuff and all those bits and pieces too um will they be looking at that uh

[1:05:53] Voice 4: like where on a property uh a landowner might be wanting to develop uh through this lens like they

[1:06:00] Voice 4: might say yes it would be fine if you did it in this area but maybe not this this area or is it

[1:06:05] Voice 4: being sort of um yeah i yeah i don't know if that i don't know if that question is making a lot of

[1:06:13] Voice 4: sense but

[1:06:13] Voice 9: yeah it makes the granularity granularity is the question

[1:06:16] Voice 9: i guess can i just speak to the

[1:06:18] Voice 9: technical nurse and then you can say so yeah absolutely

[1:06:20] Voice 9: nurse and i were looking at you know

[1:06:22] Voice 9: some parcels and and following the main meeting len and i did the same like let's look at an

[1:06:28] Voice 9: individual individual parcel and see what's going on and uh this parcel is interesting here because

[1:06:34] Voice 9: there's an area of unsuitability um you know surrounded by decent suitability and and going

[1:06:39] Voice 9: through the layers you can kind of see that like if i turn on the sense of ecosystem layer here

[1:06:45] Voice 9: um it's just this one little part here and it's like okay average psychological community not

[1:06:50] Voice 9: really dominant age not really so it's like okay well you know what's what's going what's going on

[1:06:56] Voice 9: in that little part there and and that sensitive ecosystem is actually a wetland and i can show

[1:07:02] Voice 9: go that to you um looking at tapas map here so it might just be like showing the obvious but um

[1:07:13] Voice 9: i think it's this parcel here yeah there's a wetland right there so going back to it um looking

[1:07:19] Voice 9: at the suitable one else let me turn it back on there's this area right here that's that looks

[1:07:25] Voice 9: unsuitable and and it's it's been mapped as intensive ecosystem and then sure enough you go

[1:07:31] Voice 9: to this map unit as well as so so like the technical aspect of it there it it is quite

[1:07:38] Voice 9: high resolution to do something like that and then so I think then it goes to the planning side

[1:07:43] Voice 9: uh what uh you know I'll let Nerissa speak to cluster housing and all the other alternatives

[1:07:49] Voice 9: that can happen but um on the technical side it yeah there there is um there is uh fidelity there

[1:07:57] Voice 9: to look at the parcel level.

[1:08:02] Voice 9: Marissa, do you want to say anything about that?

[1:08:04] Voice 1: Yeah, so I was just going to say that

[1:08:05] Voice 1: so all of these layers we already look at separately.

[1:08:09] Voice 1: So if we've got like everything from an application

[1:08:11] Voice 1: for a development variance for a deck,

[1:08:17] Voice 1: we'd be looking at all of the information

[1:08:20] Voice 1: that we have available.

[1:08:21] Voice 1: So we're already looking at these layers,

[1:08:23] Voice 1: but sort of independently.

[1:08:24] Voice 1: And you've gotten your reports with the little squares

[1:08:27] Voice 1: that show the property and what's on there.

[1:08:29] Voice 1: So that's this all sort of together. So it provides that, for the planner, it provides an opportunity to look at each single layer like that. And I would say it provides for the property owner an opportunity to have a quick look, like, you know, if they're rezoning, for example, you could look at this map and as a property owner could say, oh, it's not looking likely, it's looking like it could be pretty good.

[1:08:57] Voice 1: So it might be worth an application, for example, right?

[1:09:00] Voice 1: With a rezoning, we'd be looking into absolutely all of these details.

[1:09:07] Voice 1: In terms of like where on a lot you could put something, that's when we're sort of getting into the creation of development permit area, for example, right?

[1:09:16] Voice 1: So that's a tool that can facilitate that sort of identification of specific areas on a lot.

[1:09:25] Voice 1: But as is, unless it's written specifically into zoning, I guess that could be another opportunity.

[1:09:36] Voice 5: Trustee Graham?

[1:09:37] Voice 8: Yeah, I was just going to add to that.

[1:09:39] Voice 8: I mean, from a political position, when a property is being looked at for a higher density for an affordable housing application, then you have the ability to direct where that development is.

[1:09:53] Voice 8: you could take all of those parameters that you're looking at all those variables and you can say

[1:09:58] Voice 8: well you know you're you're asking for more density than would normally be allowed so we

[1:10:02] Voice 8: get as the community when i say we i say the community gets to put on uh their wishes which

[1:10:08] Voice 8: means you know if you're going to do this then you have to build all of those little tiny whatever's

[1:10:12] Voice 8: right here you can't build them here and you can't build them there for instance when when we

[1:10:16] Voice 8: We developed our property on that middle farm, which is, if you want to look at that, oh, okay, that was dictated to us by the Agricultural Land Reserve and the Islands Trust as to where we could put our six houses.

[1:10:30] Voice 8: And that was because we weren't going to subdivide, but they were concerned about maintaining the agricultural potential.

[1:10:36] Voice 8: And so we ended up clustering along the zone where the two zones meet, that particular line.

[1:10:44] Voice 8: that's where we had we were told that's where you can build your houses that seemed reasonable to us

[1:10:48] Voice 8: at the time so the other but for a single uh property and a single landowner other than

[1:10:55] Voice 8: setbacks i don't think unless there's dpas in on the lot you can't really dictate nor i nor i think

[1:11:03] Voice 8: would the community feel comfortable knowing that the honest trust had the ability to say oh well

[1:11:07] Voice 8: you know you just bought this piece of property but you can't build your house where your realtor

[1:11:11] Voice 8: told you we've got to build a house so there's a certain amount of you know we can do some things

[1:11:16] Voice 8: and we can't do other things yeah

[1:11:18] Voice 4: and that's exactly what i wanted to ask but i had a feeling

[1:11:25] Voice 4: but i wanted to check yeah

[1:11:32] Voice 9: and then and and to that um sentiment like of course this isn't uh

[1:11:37] Voice 9: you know an an ai planner right that's not replacing anybody with a tool for for for

[1:11:44] Voice 9: for planners and trustees and and perhaps a applicant or someone seeking application for

[1:11:51] Voice 9: rezoning to to you know uh adjudicate on the parcel but really i think it's it's a good

[1:11:59] Voice 9: opportunity to take like that 20 000 foot view of the island and say where is our opportunity like

[1:12:06] Voice 9: just just by looking at the you know the opportunity here let me turn off um

[1:12:12] Voice 9: it it just kind of seems obvious that that that the opportunities don't lie in densifying areas

[1:12:23] Voice 9: that are already damp and i think that we just know that by nature right but it's it's it's but

[1:12:29] Voice 9: that's that's we didn't we didn't program that in for this tool to say that it's reflecting that so

[1:12:36] Voice 9: So then can we say, okay, well, in these areas of, of higher suitability, then like, is it,

[1:12:44] Voice 9: does it make sense to start looking at those places, um, uh, or for housing?

[1:12:50] Voice 9: And, and, and so that's, you know, that, that, that's why it's part of an OCP or LEV process.

[1:12:56] Voice 9: Like all the islands that we worked on have these major projects going on.

[1:13:00] Voice 9: So I don't think that the overall intention of this tool is to look at house placement.

[1:13:08] Voice 9: I think it's like on the individual level, I think it's to really look at where's the opportunity on our islands to increase density in a sustainable way.

[1:13:20] Voice 9: And then perhaps this targets those areas.

[1:13:24] Voice 9: And then like imagine this is not going to replace a rezoning application.

[1:13:28] Voice 9: like once once that happens there's so much going into rezoning and subdivision we know that right

[1:13:33] Voice 9: so um but perhaps this is a way for the community to discuss areas um you know it's interesting

[1:13:41] Voice 9: because i i'm not too sure how much i should talk about existing projects or projects that

[1:13:46] Voice 9: that try to exist but you know like this area here around the coho looked great right it still

[1:13:53] Voice 9: does look great probably for housing on the upper parcel but when when a when when when there was

[1:14:04] Voice 9: exploration of groundwater we just wasn't there and so a project that that you know likely could

[1:14:12] Voice 9: have had some momentum didn't go forward because there was just no groundwater so that that's a

[1:14:19] Voice 9: whole other piece to it we're not looking at at you know water balance and and availability of

[1:14:25] Voice 9: water for this right it's it's just like the intrinsic freshwater and and environmental

[1:14:33] Voice 9: um it's basically a vulnerability assessment right not and so we're looking at the adverse

[1:14:40] Voice 9: of that like okay let's look at let's classify areas that are vulnerable and those are unsuitable

[1:14:45] Voice 9: in areas that have lower vulnerability that could be suitable but then going into it you still have

[1:14:50] Voice 9: to prove water and ensure that there's community amenity and all that stuff of course yeah i don't

[1:14:57] Voice 9: want to believe belabor that point um yeah so it's we're getting close to the end of the meeting here

[1:15:06] Voice 9: um chair so i'm not sure if uh i can stop sharing my screen unless someone else wants to look at

[1:15:13] Voice 9: at more of the map and a neutral parcel,

[1:15:16] Voice 9: or I guess I'm kind of

[1:15:17] Voice 5: looking for-

[1:15:18] Voice 5: So maybe he has-

[1:15:19] Voice 9: Oh, sorry, I thought that was from before.

[1:15:21] Voice 9: Sorry.

[1:15:22] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:15:23] Voice 8: I know that you're doing conceptual aquaculture,

[1:15:27] Voice 8: aquaculture, aquifer mapping.

[1:15:32] Voice 8: Now that particular parcel that you looked at,

[1:15:35] Voice 8: that may have, if that layer,

[1:15:37] Voice 8: if that data had been available for the applicant

[1:15:40] Voice 8: to look at that piece of property,

[1:15:41] Voice 8: property they might have said oh wait there's there's no water there you know the the conceptual

[1:15:46] Voice 8: aquifer is either too deep or or just not there i mean they only punched one hole as far as i know

[1:15:53] Voice 8: in that property and made that decision on that one location i think they just you know putting

[1:15:58] Voice 8: a test hole well on property is expensive and they were i think they were concerned they were

[1:16:03] Voice 8: going to run out of money before they had a chance to prove that there was water but that but your

[1:16:07] Voice 8: conceptual aqua for mapping that there's that going to be a layer that we can add to this at

[1:16:13] Voice 8: some point so

[1:16:14] Voice 9: um i did provide them cross sections from that because i was working with the you know

[1:16:21] Voice 9: the the person who was who's spearheading that effort um was in contact with me and so uh there's

[1:16:28] Voice 9: been a few applications across the antitrust area where they they know of that data and and i just

[1:16:34] Voice 9: went in there and provided that to them um uh through the freshwater atlas project uh as as

[1:16:40] Voice 9: you know you're familiar with with the regional planning committee that act for conceptualization

[1:16:45] Voice 9: model will be like available to anybody so they they could go in and cut their cross-section and

[1:16:52] Voice 9: look and and and then also that involves uh there's a lot of other data involved in that that

[1:16:58] Voice 9: will be hosted online um and you know they they probably the water is there but it could be too

[1:17:07] Voice 9: deep and then when you go too deep then there's all that issue so they they tried um but in the

[1:17:13] Voice 9: cross section yeah it did show that there was quite a ways down before the next producing

[1:17:18] Voice 9: out for just the nature of the geology there um sloping up towards the escarpment um but but yeah

[1:17:24] Voice 9: Yeah, so that's another interesting point on how the suitable land analysis is rolling out and same with the freshwater outlets with the act for conceptualization.

[1:17:36] Voice 9: So when there is a rezoning, especially after we publish all that actualization, it's not just on my desk waiting for an inquiry that the inquiries will go quicker.

[1:17:46] Voice 9: But then also there's that information available for adjudicating rezoning or helping an applicant search for water, looking at fracture tables and things like that.

[1:17:57] Voice 9: And in most cases, these applicants will have a hydrogeologist associated with them that are outside of the organization, of course.

[1:18:05] Voice 9: And so that information can be provided to them.

[1:18:09] Voice 9: and that's happened many times that where our groundwater recharge mapping was provided to a

[1:18:14] Voice 9: hydrogeologist and they did a little water balance of just a parcel on main island to to you know to

[1:18:21] Voice 9: go through the um the licensing application and all that so my my whole intention is to

[1:18:28] Voice 9: get all this data as public as possible but somehow but but sometimes it's it's difficult to

[1:18:36] Voice 9: to manage right like it it's really hard for us to dump all these uh layers to to somebody

[1:18:43] Voice 9: um including like you know our our friends and partners uh and first nations uh it's hard to

[1:18:50] Voice 9: just provide all this data to them so to to then process it in this way like a suitable land

[1:18:55] Voice 9: analysis it's it's um you know it's it's part of the story the story here is for sustainable

[1:19:02] Voice 9: development uh the atlantis conservancy has a similar map but that's for the regional

[1:19:07] Voice 9: conservation plan so that's a different story and a different set of values but using a lot

[1:19:11] Voice 9: of the same features that we use in layers so um yeah i think i spoke more beyond than what the

[1:19:19] Voice 9: question you're asking but but yeah i'm hoping that all the all that information could be

[1:19:23] Voice 9: available to the next major project you know yeah okay

[1:19:30] Voice 5: trustees any more questions uh

[1:19:34] Voice 4: i mean i have

[1:19:35] Voice 4: have plenty of two and including I'd, you know, David, I know that you obviously had trustee

[1:19:43] Voice 4: chair mod, you obviously have had this briefing before. And I know that there were some concerns

[1:19:47] Voice 4: that had come up for you. And I know you've largely been giving us our head to sort of

[1:19:56] Voice 4: dissect discussion here. But I at some point, and today may not be the time, but I'd like I would

[1:20:01] Voice 4: like to hear your your perspectives, and just sort of get the because I'm sure you've talked

[1:20:06] Voice 4: about these things with with staff but it would be i think useful for us to hear you know your

[1:20:10] Voice 4: impressions of this stuff too um one of the things i will just notice really quickly is um i do notice

[1:20:18] Voice 4: that and this is more for william's use um but there is one section of road which does not connect

[1:20:23] Voice 4: on your map which does connect in the real world and that may be that there's official layers and

[1:20:28] Voice 4: whatever else that you're dealing with there um but i know that sort of before we put this out

[1:20:35] Voice 4: into the public we that'll be something that comes up uh and and obviously any any um impressions of

[1:20:42] Voice 4: inaccuracy are going to compromise our our putting in that moment so yeah

[1:20:48] Voice 9: thanks for that if it's not

[1:20:49] Voice 9: i think it's a schedule 39 something like that like if it's not a modi road then we don't it's

[1:20:54] Voice 9: not mapped and like there's a part of uh fulford ganges road the highway on salt spring that

[1:20:59] Voice 9: it doesn't exist on a map because it's not funny um but but i think that um that if you know if

[1:21:09] Voice 9: there is an update like that like we can easily go and draw that in because if it's an important

[1:21:14] Voice 9: connector road that can be used for subdivision or rezoning then yeah we should put that in there

[1:21:19] Voice 9: so yeah

[1:21:20] Voice 4: and this is this is in no small part just about you know making sure that we land on on a

[1:21:25] Voice 4: as secure footing with community as we can because you know obviously every they're going to you know

[1:21:30] Voice 4: people who are detractors to this are going to want to you know or and even people who are

[1:21:34] Voice 4: supporters are going to be like oh well if it's not accurate here where else is it you know where

[1:21:38] Voice 4: are also their issues so yeah yeah um but yeah i've got lots of other bits and pieces but i you

[1:21:45] Voice 4: i want to i also know we need to talk about how we're going to roll this out um and leave space

[1:21:50] Voice 4: to my fellow trustees to talk to so trustee graham yeah

[1:21:55] Voice 8: that was my next question i mean

[1:21:57] Voice 8: the rolling out aspect so um i kind of envision this is just an on the demon website that the

[1:22:04] Voice 8: honest trust in my website where you can go to the suitable land analysis and then you can just

[1:22:09] Voice 8: build your own layers um is is that what you're thinking that so that that you know people can

[1:22:15] Voice 8: look at it and and and play with it and i wouldn't i didn't know how else you were going to think

[1:22:22] Voice 8: about using it yeah

[1:22:25] Voice 9: uh yeah thank you for that comment so the way that i've been presenting it

[1:22:29] Voice 9: in a layered pdf um we can provide this layered pdf but you need a professional beer like a arc

[1:22:37] Voice 9: or acrobat reader won't do it um so on the island stress computers we have fox it that's how we're

[1:22:43] Voice 9: presenting it right um the the the like if we were to advance this work and and and create a tool

[1:22:51] Voice 9: that's that's what it would be it'd be either a sustainable a sustainable land analysis tool and

[1:22:59] Voice 9: then you click on the demon tab and then it's like everything's there you turn on layers you can zoom

[1:23:04] Voice 9: in parcel you can even like i don't care about groundwater and i care about ecosystems and slide

[1:23:09] Voice 9: it around and so then they you know someone could come to the LTC and say look if we just cared

[1:23:14] Voice 9: about ecosystems you wouldn't be developing here like it could that could be where the tool goes

[1:23:20] Voice 9: and Len and I have had great conversations about that where we are right now would likely just be

[1:23:24] Voice 9: you know putting on a pdf of the presentation and and maybe printing out a few static pdf maps but

[1:23:32] Voice 9: for them to like turn layers on and off at this time is not available but like you know I think

[1:23:39] Voice 9: that maybe that it's more of a federation-wide thing like going back to the RPC and seeing if

[1:23:43] Voice 9: it's going to be a regional project to do a tool like that and then we roll it out to different

[1:23:47] Voice 9: islands as we go that's that's likely how that would happen but um so that can come by way of a

[1:23:54] Voice 9: of a recommendation from you know local trust committee I don't want to put words into your

[1:23:58] Voice 9: mouth but like that's that's where that can go right to have more of an engaging tool um

[1:24:03] Voice 9: Um, yeah. So I hope that answers your question.

[1:24:06] Voice 8: Yeah. Yeah. Thank, thank you. Well, that's exactly

[1:24:09] Voice 8: where I was going. Um, I remember the, when we had the first, uh, map it and people loved it

[1:24:15] Voice 8: because they could go in and they could play with it. We could bring different layers. You could

[1:24:19] Voice 8: look at pictures from the past and pictures of the board. So people love to do that. I mean,

[1:24:22] Voice 8: it's a great tool. I really appreciate the work that's gone into this tool, but we want to be

[1:24:27] Voice 8: able to make it user-friendly and, and so that people can play with it. Yeah.

[1:24:30] Voice 9: I agree. Yeah.

[1:24:32] Voice 9: Yeah. And even if it's that online tool light, like instead of someone moving around sliders and it's changing dynamically,

[1:24:41] Voice 9: if we had just an online tool, we can have different scenarios of different values, right?

[1:24:49] Voice 9: And people can turn them on and off to see if something's more weighted to the environment side,

[1:24:54] Voice 9: rather freshwater side or more for the infrastructure side.

[1:24:56] Voice 9: And we could just have those static layers so people can go on and off and see what that would do.

[1:25:02] Voice 9: And that's probably the best next step, right?

[1:25:05] Voice 9: Because the slider thing, that might take a while to develop.

[1:25:09] Voice 9: I'm not sure that Landon knows that world.

[1:25:13] Voice 9: I

[1:25:14] Voice 8: like how you described that.

[1:25:15] Voice 8: So a certain scenario.

[1:25:16] Voice 8: So if your interest is this, push this.

[1:25:19] Voice 8: If your interest is this, push that.

[1:25:20] Voice 8: And then you've already preloaded the percentage of hierarchy.

[1:25:26] Voice 8: Yeah, that works.

[1:25:27] Voice 8: works and

[1:25:28] Voice 2: and also uh trustee graham you're talking about the wealth of knowledge and data

[1:25:33] Voice 2: collection that's uh been done by uh residents of denman island getting that onto a platform that

[1:25:39] Voice 2: can be viewed by everyone and shared and even have it on your phone when you're going for a walk and

[1:25:44] Voice 2: pick up a layer and be like oh look at that it was been mapped by this group or this is sensitive

[1:25:50] Voice 2: ecosystem let's be more present walking through you know there's so many opportunities with getting

[1:25:54] Voice 2: it online and translating however the data is now in a way that can be communicated to everybody

[1:26:01] Voice 2: and brought into this there's lots of value and purpose in that for sure

[1:26:06] Voice 9: you know Lennon showing

[1:26:07] Voice 9: his colors of community mapping which he's been involved in in the past which is really powerful

[1:26:12] Voice 9: stuff yeah I think we're two minutes over there yeah

[1:26:18] Voice 5: we're sort of reaching to which you know

[1:26:20] Voice 5: there's any any sort of final comments from trustees or just to wrap up I

[1:26:24] Voice 4: was going to just

[1:26:25] Voice 4: to ask, and this is maybe, I guess, a Nerissa question. But so in terms of like, you know,

[1:26:33] Voice 4: obviously, there's this is a sort of default waiting currently. Do where in this process

[1:26:42] Voice 4: would an LTC have a like, I would assume that's, that's going to be a fairly involved process to

[1:26:47] Voice 4: like set those weights. And I'm curious as to when in the process that happens. And possibly

[1:26:54] Voice 4: Possibly, I think there's some discussion to have to be had about, like, at what intervals is that getting renewed or reviewed by an LTC?

[1:27:02] Voice 4: It seems to me it would be something that would need to happen towards the start of each term, but probably not right away.

[1:27:09] Voice 4: Because you want people to sort of understand why they might be doing X, Y, and Z.

[1:27:13] Voice 4: But that seems like that's something that's worth having discussed.

[1:27:17] Voice 4: We don't have to get into the nitty gritty

[1:27:19] Voice 1: of those things yet, but I'm curious.

[1:27:20] Voice 1: I appreciate so many of your questions, Trustee Borthwick.

[1:27:25] Voice 1: Because you raise a lot of questions for us around process.

[1:27:28] Voice 1: And I think that's what we need to think through because we want this to be a living tool.

[1:27:35] Voice 1: So that's definitely something to consider in terms of our process.

[1:27:39] Voice 1: I think, and William, you can maybe answer this.

[1:27:43] Voice 1: Like in the immediate turn, there's potentially an opportunity to experiment a bit with the waiting.

[1:27:51] Voice 1: weighting if you as the LTC have an idea of what you'd like to do like really soon. Am I right,

[1:27:59] Voice 1: William? Like if they wanted to have a look at what the shifting of the weighting would look

[1:28:05] Voice 1: like, is that something that could be facilitated within Landon's time with us?

[1:28:12] Voice 9: Yeah, so going back

[1:28:14] Voice 9: to like the process, that's where I was hoping this would all line up because we just chose

[1:28:18] Voice 9: equal waiting right so your sense of ecosystem is part of the road and it's probably not right so

[1:28:25] Voice 9: um i i think like this this is the start of a really great opportunity to have an engagement

[1:28:31] Voice 9: with the community on what sustainable and suitable development means um so that timeline

[1:28:37] Voice 9: i'm not sure of right and i i hope we get there uh for for um you know for landon uh the current

[1:28:45] Voice 9: current contract to be finished and if we got like um like a scratch pad of like we want to try

[1:28:50] Voice 9: the layers looking this way like we could provide that example math right um and if if the ltc

[1:28:58] Voice 9: thinks that's an appropriate way of going going about things then then that's sure yeah we can

[1:29:03] Voice 9: we can do something like that um it'd be great if we had like maybe uh an opportunity to to receive

[1:29:12] Voice 9: see feedback from the ltc and the public following this meeting and then and then staff have the

[1:29:17] Voice 9: chance to absorb that and then we go into community information meeting talk about a more

[1:29:21] Voice 9: workshop space and then and then you know perhaps get the ability to get a new layers and then

[1:29:28] Voice 9: discuss what the weightings mean and and staff can come with a few examples of of what changing

[1:29:34] Voice 9: weighting would do like i don't think we'd have a dynamic tool by then but um you know that that's

[1:29:39] Voice 9: that could be part of a process i i don't know what that is because you know i'm not guiding

[1:29:43] Voice 9: that so uh the technical aspect the technical thing is like yeah if you give us like two weeks or

[1:29:50] Voice 9: more uh we can spin around a map with different

[1:29:53] Voice 9: weighting of layers um but i think that an engaging process with the community likely

[1:30:00] Voice 9: longer than the end of mid-March.

[1:30:08] Voice 5: Okay. Sam, you're happy with that?

[1:30:11] Voice 3: Yep. Yeah, and it's broadly what I expected, but yeah.

[1:30:16] Voice 5: All right. Well, I don't know, William, if you have any conclusionary comments,

[1:30:22] Voice 5: or we just wrap it up? I

[1:30:23] Voice 9: do, yeah. Thank you to you,

[1:30:26] Voice 9: Chair Maude, and to the Local Trust Committee for being patient with me and working through my

[1:30:32] Voice 9: cough and then also providing the great feedback and and i think that um following this if if there

[1:30:39] Voice 9: is feedback from the community then then if that comes through the uh trustees or if it comes to

[1:30:46] Voice 9: planner like like for this is what we wanted this for right like this is not the final map that's

[1:30:52] Voice 9: going into the ocp right this is our introduction to the methodology and i like i am under the

[1:30:58] Voice 9: personal impression the methodology is solid that i think the chance for improvement is is looking at

[1:31:04] Voice 9: the layers and the waiting and so if we hear those feedback of values from from trustees and

[1:31:10] Voice 9: community and um then i'll work with nurse and we'll kind of create a timeline on when we're

[1:31:16] Voice 9: going to come back or or what the next steps are so yeah

[1:31:21] Voice 5: excellent

[1:31:22] Voice 9: thank you very much

[1:31:22] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:31:24] Voice 5: Father Shadwick, any final comments?

[1:31:29] Voice 1: Thanks for putting me on the spot.

[1:31:33] Voice 1: I would just like to say that I, you know, being part of this project, I'm not a techie.

[1:31:40] Voice 1: I've learned a lot going through this process.

[1:31:44] Voice 1: I've learned a lot from William and we are extremely privileged to have Landon working with us

[1:31:52] Voice 1: because he's an expert in his field

[1:31:54] Voice 1: and he's like breaking ground on some of this stuff,

[1:31:59] Voice 1: like the resilience mapping stuff.

[1:32:01] Voice 1: Like I just want everybody to recognize

[1:32:04] Voice 1: like how lucky we are to have him working on this project.

[1:32:11] Voice 5: Well, we feel honored.

[1:32:13] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:32:15] Voice 5: All right.

[1:32:15] Voice 5: Well, thank you, everybody.

[1:32:17] Voice 5: A very productive meeting.

[1:32:19] Voice 5: And I think you've put visions in the heads of trustees

[1:32:22] Voice 5: and they'll go home and they won't be able to sleep tonight

[1:32:25] Voice 5: with all their thoughts and questions

[1:32:27] Voice 5: and I'm sure that they'll be giving some pretty good feedback to you.

[1:32:30] Voice 5: So I guess we will conclude at that.