Islands Trust Programs Committee regular meeting, April 2, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 3: And the other thing that I would ask if we could get the agenda up on the screen, that would be lovely.

[0:00:05] Voice 1: Sure, I will share that now.

[0:00:07] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:00:19] Voice 3: Well, good morning, everyone, and thank you so much for coming and joining us.

[0:00:24] Voice 3: I am now convening the meeting of the Trust Programs Committee and really appreciate everyone's time today.

[0:00:32] Voice 3: I also want to thank everyone who recently volunteered to join this committee.

[0:00:36] Voice 3: I know this is a big time commitment and I really, really appreciate it.

[0:00:41] Voice 3: So nice to see everybody's faces today.

[0:00:44] Voice 3: My name is Christina Evans and I'm elected on Sodea South Pendra and I'm the Chair of Trust Programs Committee.

[0:00:50] Voice 3: And I'd like to begin with an acknowledgement of our First Nations Coast Salish people whose territories we are working in and residing in.

[0:01:01] Voice 3: And I'd like to start with saying that I recognize that I'm an uninvited guest.

[0:01:05] Voice 3: I would like to be able to say that, but apparently I'm struggling.

[0:01:09] Voice 3: And I reside on Sedea South Pender, and it's the unceded traditional territories of many Coast Nations peoples.

[0:01:18] Voice 3: As someone who lives and works and plays on this land, I am compelled and humble to acknowledge that those who have come before me

[0:01:24] Voice 3: and those who provided stewardship to these lands and waters and continue to share their lands and teachings with us who are settlers.

[0:01:31] Voice 3: is. I also acknowledge that this land is to recognize its longer history and our place in

[0:01:37] Voice 3: that history. It is also to recognize these lands and waters and their significance for the peoples

[0:01:42] Voice 3: who have lived and continue to live in these areas, whose practices and spiritualities were

[0:01:47] Voice 3: and are tied to the land and water and whose lives continue to enrich and develop in relationship to

[0:01:52] Voice 3: the land and the waters and inhabitants today. Something that we've done in the past in this

[0:01:58] Voice 3: this group is to share a little bit about who we are and how we are connected to each other

[0:02:07] Voice 3: through our own personal histories. So I'm going to do a quick brief introduction of my own and

[0:02:13] Voice 3: then if other people in this committee would feel that they would like to do the same, I welcome you

[0:02:18] Voice 3: to do that as well. So I'm Christina Peschel-Evans. My husband is Marty Evans and he's third generation

[0:02:26] Voice 3: on Sudeus, South Panda. My parents are Leila Jürgensen from Norway and my father is Eric

[0:02:36] Voice 3: Watson from Ireland. And on my mother's side, my grandfather was Nils Jakob Jürgensen

[0:02:42] Voice 3: and my grandmother was Dagmar Bruksos. And on my father's side, hailing from Waterville

[0:02:51] Voice 3: in Ireland. I had Margaret and my mother and my sister who passed away. And my eldest,

[0:03:17] Voice 3: my youngest granddaughter was named after a movie. So carrying on the family tradition

[0:03:22] Voice 3: and a little bit of fun. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start by going around the room

[0:03:28] Voice 3: with the trustees that I see online, if you'd just like to do a brief introduction of yourself

[0:03:32] Voice 3: and feel free to give whatever level you feel like.

[0:03:36] Voice 3: So I'm going to start with Trustee Peterson.

[0:03:42] Voice 9: Good morning, everyone.

[0:03:44] Voice 9: I'm Tim Peterson, elected here on Hweyatai, Leskete Island,

[0:03:50] Voice 9: born in the territory of the Washoe and Shoshone peoples down in Nevada, originally.

[0:03:56] Voice 9: my parents Lawrence Peterson and Judith Arne and my grandparents Lois and Lloyd Peterson

[0:04:11] Voice 9: originally hailing from Norway and then on my mother's side the Arnes who come from Germany

[0:04:20] Voice 9: Germany via England including the composer Thomas Augustine Arne who well known for his

[0:04:30] Voice 9: his big hit number of the day Hail Britannia it's fortunate to be living here on Huete

[0:04:38] Voice 9: in the beautiful Salish Sea territory of many Coast Salish peoples and the treaty territory

[0:04:44] Voice 9: of the Tlalaman Nation.

[0:04:47] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:04:48] Voice 4: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:04:49] Voice 4: Trustee Fast?

[0:04:51] Voice 4: Oh, you're muted.

[0:05:00] Trustee Fast: Apologies.

[0:05:01] Trustee Fast: I just had some screen freezing,

[0:05:03] Trustee Fast: so I may be tweaking that during the meeting,

[0:05:06] Trustee Fast: seeing what's going on.

[0:05:08] Trustee Fast: I'm Sue Ellen Fast,

[0:05:10] Trustee Fast: zooming in from Nuklelequem,

[0:05:12] Trustee Fast: which is also known as Bowen Island

[0:05:14] Trustee Fast: in the mouth of Al-Qahtsam,

[0:05:16] Trustee Fast: how sound,

[0:05:16] Trustee Fast: over here on the Metro Vancouver Regional District.

[0:05:19] Trustee Fast: and I'm from living in the territory of Squamish nation and the waters around us are shared by

[0:05:29] Trustee Fast: other nations including especially the Tsleil-Waututh and Musqueam and I'm honored to be

[0:05:38] Trustee Fast: here. I come from Mennonite background on both sides going back many generations. I

[0:05:44] Trustee Fast: I have many Mennonite names that might be familiar to some of you.

[0:05:49] Trustee Fast: I was born in the Grand River area, the Treaty 5, or gosh, I've forgotten.

[0:06:01] Trustee Fast: Anyway, I have to look that up.

[0:06:03] Trustee Fast: And Kitchener-Waterloo kind of area.

[0:06:05] Trustee Fast: And I grew up in Sault Ste. Marie in the Algonquin Territory.

[0:06:09] Trustee Fast: And I see Trustee Govro.

[0:06:12] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's right.

[0:06:13] Trustee Fast: My Lake Superior sister were there.

[0:06:15] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:06:18] Voice 3: And next that I see on screen is Trustee Patrick, who is our ex officio, newly elected chair of Trust Council.

[0:06:28] Trustee Patrick: Oh, well, good morning and greetings from Salt Spring Island, the territories of many Coast Salish First Nations people, and in particular the Hul'q'u'nin and T'Ch'at'in speaking peoples.

[0:06:41] Trustee Patrick: I, like many, hail from an immigrant family and parents that came primarily from England and Sweden, and I'm grateful to be here in Salisbury.

[0:06:57] Voice 3: Thank you very much. Next I see is Trustee Graham.

[0:07:02] Voice 7: Oh, good morning, everyone. Coming from Denman Island, traditional territory of the Comox and Qualicum.

[0:07:08] Voice 7: I'm happy to be here at my very first Trust Programs Committee meeting.

[0:07:13] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:07:16] Voice 4: Next, I see Trustee Yates.

[0:07:20] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Evans.

[0:07:23] Voice 6: I am zooming into you from Slinnemoch territory this morning.

[0:07:29] Voice 6: And my internet is a bit iffy, so I may have to turn my video on and off.

[0:07:34] Voice 6: I was born and raised in Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh territory.

[0:07:38] Voice 6: Territory. My parents came from Treaty 1 Territory and Treaty 6 Territory. Thank you.

[0:07:46] Voice 6: Thank you. And next I see Trustee Gaviro.

[0:07:51] Voice 16: Good morning, everyone. My name is Lisa Gaviro. I'm

[0:07:56] Voice 16: elected here on beautiful Galliano Island, shaping up to be a lovely morning. I was born and raised

[0:08:02] Voice 16: in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, with acknowledgement to my other superior sister, at least for your

[0:08:09] Voice 16: sister, Sue Ellen Fast. I grew up there. A few fun facts about me. I come from a very large family

[0:08:16] Voice 16: in Sault Ste. Marie. There's many large families there. My family line goes back to the Garden

[0:08:22] Voice 16: River Reserve, where my grandmother had 19 children. Yep, we are one of the larger families,

[0:08:31] Voice 16: but certainly not the largest families from that area so I have family everywhere and

[0:08:40] Voice 16: yeah that's me thank you happy to be here at my first Trust Programs Committee meeting.

[0:08:45] Voice 16: Thank you and welcome and next I see Trustee Elliott.

[0:08:52] Voice 11: Hello good morning everyone from Maasanaima territory on Gabriela Island

[0:08:58] Voice 11: my name is

[0:09:00] Voice 11: toby lee don elliott um i grew up in the territory of the sumas and matskwi first

[0:09:05] Voice 11: nations of the stotlow people what is now known as abbotsford um my father is the late

[0:09:12] Voice 11: robert roy elliott my late mother is uh donna blanche hawkin and they both came from various

[0:09:19] Voice 11: various uh English Scottish uh Swedish um lines in um mid 1800s I would say um yeah and I'm

[0:09:32] Voice 11: grateful to be here with you all thank you for the opportunity to make some personal introductions

[0:09:36] Voice 11: uh Chair Evans and um well and excited for my first Trust Programs Committee meeting.

[0:09:43] Voice 11: Thanks

[0:09:44] Voice 3: and welcome. Next, we're going to go through staff and let staff introduce themselves

[0:09:49] Voice 3: as well. And if I've missed anyone, please just raise your hand so I can see you as I'm scrolling

[0:09:54] Voice 3: down here. And first on my list, I see staff Barlow.

[0:10:00] Voice 10: Good morning, everyone. My name is Robert

[0:10:02] Voice 10: Barlow. I'm the Legislative Services Clerk and the Zoom host and happy to be born and working

[0:10:08] Voice 10: in the Lekwungen-speaking territory.

[0:10:11] Voice 4: Thank you so much. Next, I see Steph Yeomans.

[0:10:16] Voice 1: Good morning, trustees. Happy to be here. My name is Jason Yeomans. I'm the Senior Policy Advisor

[0:10:20] Voice 1: for the Islands Trust, coming to you today from Islands Trust Headquarters here in Victoria,

[0:10:26] Voice 1: Lekwungen Territory. And maybe I'll just note briefly that I, too, spent a number of years

[0:10:30] Voice 1: growing up in and around Sault Ste. Marie. So I'll add to the Lake Superior contingent today.

[0:10:36] Voice 1: day awesome

[0:10:37] Voice 4: thank you and next i see staff elliot yes

[0:10:44] Voice 2: uh hi uh first of all i just want to

[0:10:48] Voice 2: acknowledge uh the the heartfelt um land protocol acknowledgement and um the uncomfortableness that

[0:10:53] Voice 2: you acknowledge and i appreciate that um and that's how we learn that's you we we go to that

[0:10:59] Voice 2: space and and take that risk and i'm much appreciation for that um my qualms that's

[0:11:04] Voice 2: Tlalcol, to which it originates with the name of.

[0:11:07] Voice 2: And one of the things that I'm looking at right now is my great-great-grandfather.

[0:11:12] Voice 2: I don't know if he worked for Hudson Bay and was one of the first settlers that moved to

[0:11:16] Voice 2: Cowichan.

[0:11:17] Voice 2: And for my research, you know, in looking at articles, it was arranged marriage.

[0:11:23] Voice 2: And I think it's also recognized in one of the crisp books of Two Homes Half Buried is

[0:11:30] Voice 2: that arranged marriage.

[0:11:31] Voice 2: So it's pre-Douglas.

[0:11:33] Voice 2: So it's the Douglas Treaty.

[0:11:35] Voice 2: So it might have been like a friendship arrangement in hopes that we could work together in collaboration.

[0:11:41] Voice 2: And then during that time, he married a chief's daughter from Quamachan.

[0:11:46] Voice 2: They resided close to the Cooks Isle River.

[0:11:49] Voice 2: And then during one of the epidemics, his wife passed away.

[0:11:53] Voice 2: And then other settlers started moving close and living in close premises to Jonathan.

[0:12:00] Voice 2: Jonathan, and then his father-in-law asked him to move

[0:12:04] Voice 2: because things were changing, things were changing too fast.

[0:12:08] Voice 2: So I just acknowledge that, but I am Couchin,

[0:12:12] Voice 2: and I'm a voice for Couchin, I'm a voice for our ancestors.

[0:12:16] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:12:17] Voice 4: Thank you so much.

[0:12:18] Voice 4: And next I see Steph Rater.

[0:12:29] Voice 3: Probably in her car.

[0:12:30] Voice 3: Yes, probably.

[0:12:31] Voice 3: So I'm going to go on to Steph Cermak.

[0:12:37] Voice 8: Good morning, everybody.

[0:12:38] Voice 8: Stephen Surmak, Director of Planning Services coming to you from Salt Spring Island, the home of many First Nations in the unceded territory, many other First Nations.

[0:12:51] Voice 8: Very happy to be here and look forward to this meeting.

[0:12:54] Voice 4: Thank you so much and thank

[0:12:56] Voice 3: you everyone for your introductions.

[0:12:57] Voice 3: It's really nice to get to know everybody a little bit more here.

[0:13:01] Voice 3: um so today's agenda um is going to be a very very short one um so i'm going to ask if anyone

[0:13:12] Voice 3: has any late items that they would like to add to the agenda or if we can adopt the agenda by

[0:13:19] Voice 3: general consent so if you have anything that you would like to bring forward at us that you raise

[0:13:24] Voice 3: your digital hand because there's too many people for me to see visually if you are having problems

[0:13:29] Voice 3: with your electronic hand please let me know just chime in so I can see you feel free to do that

[0:13:37] Voice 3: okay not seeing any changes to the agenda I'm going to thereby adopt it by general consent

[0:13:47] Voice 3: the next item is the resolution without meeting that was to set this particular meeting and that's

[0:13:56] Voice 3: the only and that's being brought forward for our information does anybody have anything that they

[0:14:04] Voice 3: would like to say with this not seeing any perfect we are now going to get into the business at hand

[0:14:13] Voice 3: which is the review of our um honest trust policy statement draft bylaw number 183

[0:14:22] Voice 3: so in i i think um what i did is i emailed everybody a copy of the draft trust policy

[0:14:32] Voice 3: statement amendment recommendations that have come out of the previous meetings of committee

[0:14:38] Voice 3: of the whole where we did not have quorum so there was a fair amount of work that was done

[0:14:43] Voice 3: by the people that were left in those meetings as just general discussion so part of part of

[0:14:54] Voice 3: what had been asked was that those recommendations be brought forward to a future meeting

[0:14:58] Voice 3: And it looks like the amount of work and discussion has taken us to at least the implementation portion of this draft.

[0:15:07] Voice 3: So what I would like to do, if everyone consents, is to start with those recommendations from the previous meetings where we didn't have quorum.

[0:15:17] Voice 3: And starting at the end, excluding 4.1.

[0:15:26] Voice 3: So we're going to start with section 30, object to that line of thinking or have a different

[0:15:47] Voice 3: recommendation.

[0:15:49] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott.

[0:15:51] Voice 11: I don't know if it's my internet or yours, but you were cutting out for the last minute.

[0:15:57] Voice 11: No, and

[0:15:58] Voice 11: you turn your video off there.

[0:16:01] Voice 11: And so I think you're suggesting we start at 4.2, but staff had recommended that we

[0:16:11] Voice 11: might want to start at 3.417, I think. Is that? Yeah, 3.417. We haven't discussed any of the items

[0:16:21] Voice 11: after that.

[0:16:26] Voice 3: Okay, am I missing something? Because I've got recommendations up to 3.513.

[0:16:32] Voice 3: So I'm just asking. So maybe I should check in with Staff Yeomans. Are these recommendations

[0:16:41] Voice 3: that have been emailed in or are these the recommendations that came out of the meetings

[0:16:45] Voice 3: or a blend of both?

[0:16:47] Voice 1: Sure. So that is a compilation of proposed motions that have been received either

[0:16:54] Voice 1: through the motions at email address or via email from previous meetings. And they kind of span

[0:17:01] Voice 1: a range of different topics, some of which have been discussed. And for whatever reason,

[0:17:09] Voice 1: and the motion simply didn't make it onto the floor or it made it onto the floor in another format, for example,

[0:17:14] Voice 1: so it actually was dealt with.

[0:17:16] Voice 1: And then there are a number of motions that were anticipating where the discussion at the previous meeting might get to,

[0:17:22] Voice 1: but the discussion never actually got to that place.

[0:17:25] Voice 1: And so those motions may still be yet to be made and brought forward to the floor.

[0:17:30] Voice 1: In terms of

[0:17:31] Voice 1: Committee of the Whole's actual review of the policy statement document,

[0:17:36] Voice 1: document, that body made it to 3.4.18 septic systems was the last item in here that was

[0:17:46] Voice 1: actually discussed. And a couple of motions were formulated at that time related to these

[0:17:53] Voice 1: topics of disposal of waste and septic systems, but didn't actually make it to the floor.

[0:17:57] Voice 1: So trustees could perhaps begin with those particular topics if you want to revisit those

[0:18:06] Voice 1: or indeed just keep on moving through the document.

[0:18:09] Voice 1: But recreation is the next topic that hasn't yet had any discussion from trustees up to this point.

[0:18:16] Voice 3: Okay, so that was my misunderstanding then.

[0:18:18] Voice 3: When I was asking for the recommendations that the Committee of the Whole meetings had drafted as a group to be sent to me,

[0:18:26] Voice 3: that was what I thought I had received.

[0:18:29] Voice 1: I see.

[0:18:29] Voice 1: So

[0:18:30] Voice 3: if it's possible then for our next meeting to specifically pull out the draft recommendations that the committee of the whole group had pulled together through discussion without being able to bring it to the floor due to lack of quorum.

[0:18:49] Voice 3: If I could have those specific ones because those had a lot of discussion and I don't really want to go too deep into discussion on items that have already had a lot of focus.

[0:19:00] Voice 3: So I really appreciate that. That was, I was surprised at how far the people managed to come in this during the last meeting that I wasn't, I don't think I was able to attend. So I thought, wow, boy, did Tim get far. Well, darn it. We're not as far as I thought.

[0:19:18] Voice 3: okay so then if everyone's okay um let me let me let me just try and uh let's do you have the

[0:19:32] Voice 3: recommendations that were crafted during the last meeting handy i

[0:19:38] Voice 1: do they they are contained in that

[0:19:40] Voice 1: greater document so i'm going to try and flip to that right now in my share screen please let me

[0:19:44] Voice 1: me know if this doesn't work thank

[0:19:46] Voice 4: you did

[0:19:49] Voice 1: it work yep

[0:19:49] Voice 4: we see them all

[0:19:50] Voice 1: right fantastic um all right

[0:19:54] Voice 1: so so

[0:20:04] Voice 3: maybe what we can do is if do we want to take a quick five minute break if you want to

[0:20:11] Voice 3: just go through there and highlight the ones that came out of the committee of the whole

[0:20:15] Voice 3: non-quora meeting discussions then we can work our way backwards on those would that take very long

[0:20:22] Voice 3: um

[0:20:24] Voice 1: it will take some memory jogging on my part for sure so certainly i can tell you

[0:20:29] Voice 1: 3.4.17 and 3.4.18 are are waste and septic systems respectively where there was

[0:20:38] Voice 1: some proposed motions that were that were left hanging uh from the february 21st meeting okay

[0:20:45] Voice 1: um and yeah if you want to if you wouldn't mind giving me a few minutes just to um

[0:20:53] Voice 1: um review this that might be helpful and i can perfect

[0:20:56] Voice 3: so um why don't we i don't know we've

[0:21:00] Voice 3: just started but if anyone wants a five minute break um to go and get a cup of coffee or a

[0:21:06] Voice 3: refreshed beverage um then we can come back again in five minutes and uh and i'll stay online with

[0:21:13] Voice 3: um with staff yeomans if that's okay for everyone not seeing any objections let's take a quick five

[0:21:25] Voice 3: minute break and I'll work with Steph Yeomans. Okay. All right. I'm wondering then if 3.4.9

[0:21:40] Voice 3: to 3.4.18 are the ones that were outstanding from previous meetings. It doesn't look like

[0:21:47] Voice 3: there's that many then.

[0:21:48] Voice 1: No. Now, some of these, such as these that Trustee Elliott had been

[0:21:54] Voice 1: proposing, and I guess we're probably still recording right now, aren't we?

[0:21:59] Voice 1: so we can

[0:22:01] Voice 3: stop the recording oh

[0:22:03] Voice 10: well we could stop the recording but we cannot stop the live stream

[0:22:07] Voice 10: correct

[0:22:07] Voice 3: uh

[0:22:08] Voice 10: but the recording is only met it's not it won't be used for the archives um it's

[0:22:17] Voice 5: the

[0:22:17] Voice 10: live stream that does that so i could put up a notice saying that the committee is recessed

[0:22:22] Voice 10: but they will hear your discussions

[0:22:25] Voice 4: that's fine

[0:22:27] Voice 1: so um 3.4.9 3.411 three point well but we'll look

[0:22:35] Voice 1: at those specifically 3.4.9 3.411 i see trustee ellett is here on the call anyways um are related

[0:22:41] Voice 1: to housing staff have received instruction to go away and come back with some policy ideas basically

[0:22:46] Voice 1: related to these so i there's no point at this point i don't think to bring these forward in

[0:22:51] Voice 1: today's discussion since we will likely hit it at the next meeting when staff report back with

[0:22:56] Voice 1: with the information we've been asked to provide um trustee boland's potential uh motion here

[0:23:04] Voice 1: related to transportation to the best of my understanding the transportation discussion

[0:23:10] Voice 1: came and went like in a in a forum meeting some some revisions were made to the policies so for

[0:23:17] Voice 1: for whatever reason, I just don't think Trustee Boland brought this motion to the floor at that

[0:23:23] Voice 1: meeting. Perhaps this was addressed in some other way during that discussion. And so it would be up

[0:23:29] Voice 1: to her. I don't know if she's part of the committee here today, but it would be up to her to bring

[0:23:34] Voice 1: this forward if she wanted to.

[0:23:38] Voice 3: Yeah. And I think my remembrance was we did go through that and we

[0:23:43] Voice 3: We had a conversation on this and I thought we had brought something.

[0:23:47] Voice 3: I thought we were in quorum then, were we not?

[0:23:50] Voice 3: And I thought something else had been brought forward.

[0:23:52] Voice 1: There was a request that staff go away and return with a policy related to transportation infrastructure that might be at risk of climate change related degradation, for instance.

[0:24:04] Voice 1: And that's something we'll report back to you with it at the next meeting.

[0:24:08] Voice 3: That's what I thought.

[0:24:09] Voice 3: Okay, so then we're really just down to these last two from the previous meeting.

[0:24:14] Voice 1: Yeah, 317 or 3417, 3418 are what I guess I would consider to still be, obviously, you can revisit anything in the document at any time, but these were still live conversations that perhaps did not reach a conclusion at the previous meeting where there was quorum.

[0:24:33] Voice 5: Perfect.

[0:24:33] Voice 1: And then moving forward from there,

[0:24:36] Voice 5: some

[0:24:37] Voice 1: of these proposed motions then relate, or at least relate to recreation, or at least these that I'm showing that are potentially going to be proposed by Trustee Getty relate to recreation, relate to freshwater topics that Committee of the Whole has not turned its attention to, and that Trust Programs Committee presumably will turn its attention to, as you continue to move through the document.

[0:25:02] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:25:03] Voice 1: um trustee fast's resolution potential motion here is on the topic of recreation as well

[0:25:10] Voice 3: yes so we haven't gotten to those sections yet as i understand it that

[0:25:14] Voice 1: is correct so

[0:25:17] Voice 3: i think then

[0:25:18] Voice 3: i think then that these are then all future resolutions and we can deal with them as we

[0:25:27] Voice 3: hit those sections and that sounds good to me all

[0:25:31] Voice 1: right so apologies for uh any confusion

[0:25:34] Voice 1: confusion created there oh

[0:25:36] Voice 3: no worries that was most probably all on my part okay so yes and yes

[0:25:44] Voice 1: all the remainder deal with with um categories yet to come with the exception of one that trustee

[0:25:50] Voice 1: fast has as previously proposed which is related to one of the principles yes

[0:25:55] Voice 3: and we will get back

[0:25:56] Voice 3: to those um a little later when we when we go through the document for a second time which

[0:26:02] Voice 3: which will hopefully be quite quick.

[0:26:04] Voice 3: And we'll do that at a later meeting.

[0:26:07] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:26:08] Voice 5: All right.

[0:26:09] Voice 3: Okay, so we will just wait for everyone to rejoin us.

[0:26:14] Voice 3: And we should be good.

[0:26:19] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:26:19] Voice 3: I'm just going to go and get a splash more water

[0:26:22] Voice 3: because, all right,

[0:26:38] Voice 4: I am back.

[0:26:44] Voice 3: So just wait for the next three people to come

[0:26:48] Voice 3: and we're good to go.

[0:26:50] Voice 3: There's one.

[0:27:06] Voice 3: So, okay.

[0:27:07] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:27:17] Voice 10: Sure. Evans, if you're waiting for other trustees to indicate their presence, you may

[0:27:22] Voice 10: need to request them to speak or show their video.

[0:27:26] Voice 3: Yeah. So we're just waiting for, oh,

[0:27:28] Voice 3: there she is. There's Lisa. Perfect. All right. So we're back into quorum. So through a quick

[0:27:34] Voice 3: discussion with staff yeomans, we have identified that there's only two outstanding recommendations

[0:27:40] Voice 3: recommendations that haven't been voted on. The others are work to be concluded by staff to bring

[0:27:49] Voice 3: forward some reporting on those items. So it's 3-4-17 and 3-4-18 that are outstanding. So if we'd

[0:27:58] Voice 3: like to start with those two and then we can move into the section on recreation and I will have a

[0:28:03] Voice 3: quick discussion as to how I'd like to move forward and to see if we can get through some

[0:28:08] Voice 3: of these sections a little bit quicker does that sound good to everyone okay seeing some nods

[0:28:15] Voice 3: all right so we will start with 3 4 17. and i'm just wondering how we will do this

[0:28:32] Voice 3: so if we yeah trustee graham thank

[0:28:35] Voice 7: you chair um yeah well my recommendation i'm happy with the

[0:28:39] Voice 7: amendment suggested the the reduced number of words keeping in mind that this policy statement

[0:28:45] Voice 7: is a wide and high-level document

[0:28:48] Voice 7: that doesn't constrain local trust areas

[0:28:52] Voice 7: when they're developing their own OCPs.

[0:28:54] Voice 7: It gives them some latitude to be more specific.

[0:28:55] Voice 7: So I quite like that simple statement right there.

[0:29:00] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:29:02] Voice 3: Yeah, because quite a bit of discussion

[0:29:04] Voice 3: was had on these earlier.

[0:29:06] Voice 3: So if people are comfortable,

[0:29:09] Voice 3: we can move the motion

[0:29:13] Voice 3: or move the recommendation

[0:29:14] Voice 3: and then if any discussion is required we can have it and then we can go to a vote on it does

[0:29:21] Voice 3: that work seeing nods okay if anybody would like to move the recommendation trustee graham

[0:29:30] Voice 3: certainly

[0:29:31] Voice 7: happy to i move that the trust programs committee uh recommend to trust council that 3.4.17

[0:29:40] Voice 7: the amended to read where required identify appropriate locations for waste transfer

[0:29:45] Voice 7: transfer stations for the removal of waste from the islands trust area thank you and

[0:29:50] Voice 3: seconded by trustee Yates any discussion on this trustee Elliott I

[0:29:59] Voice 11: have a question

[0:30:00] Voice 11: Are we recommending to Trust Council or are we simply amending these statements and then Trust Council is going to receive a draft with those amended policies?

[0:30:16] Voice 3: I believe we're still making, that's actually a good question.

[0:30:20] Voice 3: I thought we were still making recommendations for Trust Council to adopt, but maybe staff can clarify that point for us.

[0:30:29] Voice 3: That

[0:30:30] Voice 1: is correct, Chair. To date, we are, or sorry, you are, making recommendations for revision of the document to Trust Council. So at a future Trust Council meeting, we will provide Trust Council with a redline version of the document containing all of the recommended revisions that Committee of the Whole and now Trust Programs Committee are recommending to the greater body.

[0:30:55] Voice 1: be

[0:30:55] Voice 3: perfect that's what i thought because this is owned by trust council not by the committee

[0:31:01] Voice 3: um okay so is there any other discussion on this particular item and again if you have trouble with

[0:31:11] Voice 3: your electronic hand feel free to just yell out okay not seeing any i'm going to therefore call

[0:31:18] Voice 3: the recommendation to a vote all those in favor please raise your hand and thank you very much

[0:31:29] Voice 3: lower your hands are there any opposed seeing none that recommendation is carried

[0:31:40] Voice 3: moving on to the next item which is 3418 this one is recommending that

[0:31:52] Voice 3: septic systems be changed to wastewater disposal systems and i believe that this was a conversation

[0:32:01] Voice 3: that was being held. And I also, if I recall correctly, and I'm asking anyone that was in

[0:32:08] Voice 3: that meeting to help me out with my memory here, those two titles hold different regulations

[0:32:22] Voice 3: against them. I'm not entirely sure how that conversation, I remember there was something,

[0:32:27] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott.

[0:32:29] Voice 11: Yeah, it's only that septic systems are very specific to septic only,

[0:32:35] Voice 11: only, whereas wastewater disposal systems can refer to the full range of on-site wastewater

[0:32:42] Voice 11: disposal or off-site. We might want to specify whether it's an on-site wastewater disposal

[0:32:49] Voice 11: system, but basically that could be a greywater dispersal field, a septic field, a composting

[0:32:57] Voice 11: toilet system that is regulated by Island Health, but it's just that this term is broader

[0:33:02] Voice 11: and might encompass different wastewater disposal systems

[0:33:06] Voice 11: that are not just septic.

[0:33:09] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:33:10] Voice 3: Thank you so much for jogging my memory on that.

[0:33:15] Voice 3: So I'm therefore going to ask if anybody would like

[0:33:18] Voice 3: to make a recommendation regarding this.

[0:33:26] Trustee Patrick: Can I raise, I think the word on-site,

[0:33:29] Trustee Patrick: is that something from staff?

[0:33:30] Trustee Patrick: Do we, you know, because this is a broad term now

[0:33:34] Trustee Patrick: because we do have treatment facilities as well,

[0:33:37] Trustee Patrick: or is it intended to catch all of it?

[0:33:39] Trustee Patrick: Because it could be neighborhood wastewater treatment systems

[0:33:44] Trustee Patrick: or villages.

[0:33:49] Voice 3: What's your question to staff, Trustee Patrick?

[0:33:53] Trustee Patrick: I guess so, yeah, to make sure we're...

[0:33:57] Trustee Patrick: Is it intended, this policy, to be real broad

[0:33:59] Trustee Patrick: from itty-bitty systems to larger systems?

[0:34:03] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:34:06] Voice 3: think that's up to us as Trust Council to make that decision.

[0:34:13] Voice 3: Trustee Yates?

[0:34:17] Voice 6: I think we should leave out the word on-site, like just not include it, so that it does have broader meaning.

[0:34:35] Trustee Fast: Any Trustee Fast?

[0:34:37] Trustee Fast: I'm just agreeing with Trustee Yates.

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast: I think, thinking of our situation here on Nukalalaquamboan Island, we've got a municipal wastewater treatment plant, sewage plant, and some stratas have their own.

[0:34:55] Trustee Fast: And then there are individual on-site septic systems, and there may be other on-site tertiary, you know.

[0:35:05] Trustee Fast: Anyway, I just think we should, all of them need to be considered under this category.

[0:35:09] Trustee Fast: and I think leaving out the words on-site is a good idea,

[0:35:14] Trustee Fast: remembering that this will then go out to regional districts

[0:35:19] Trustee Fast: and the health authorities and everybody else will have a chance to comment.

[0:35:22] Trustee Fast: So this is an early stage.

[0:35:23] Trustee Fast: I think we should leave out the word on-site

[0:35:28] Trustee Fast: because they all need to be considered in this way.

[0:35:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:35:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Elliott.

[0:35:36] Trustee Fast: This is Trustee Fast.

[0:35:41] Voice 11: trustee elliott

[0:35:42] Voice 3: to speak oh thank you to you trustee elliott go ahead i

[0:35:47] Voice 11: concur with what i

[0:35:48] Voice 11: heard and i'm happy to make the motion um uh but i see trustee peterson's in line oh and i think

[0:35:55] Voice 11: that was his idea too um i move that trust programs committee recommend that trust council amend the

[0:36:01] Voice 11: the draft trust policy statement item number 3.4.18 by amending the title to wastewater disposal

[0:36:10] Voice 11: systems and amend new septic systems to read wastewater disposal systems before

[0:36:21] Voice 3: that gets

[0:36:22] Voice 3: seconded because the conversation was also to remove the word on-site is that going to be

[0:36:28] Voice 3: included in that in that recommendation as well or not i

[0:36:33] Voice 11: didn't say on it's not there now

[0:36:36] Voice 11: so it's just wastewater disposal systems it's not on site would

[0:36:43] Trustee Fast: you like me to read it it says

[0:36:45] Trustee Fast: uh established requirements for the location and siting of wastewater disposal systems

[0:36:53] Trustee Fast: to mitigate adverse impacts on the trust area and its unique amenities and environment including

[0:37:00] Trustee Fast: including Indigenous peoples, cultural heritage sites, and marine harvesting areas.

[0:37:04] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:37:05] Voice 3: Perfect. So, Trustee Peterson, are you seconding the recommendation?

[0:37:12] Voice 3: Perfect. Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any further discussion on this recommendation?

[0:37:21] Voice 3: Not seeing any, I'm going to call the vote on the recommendation. All those in favor,

[0:37:28] Voice 3: please raise your hand.

[0:37:32] Voice 4: Brilliant. Thank you. Please lower your hand. And any opposed? Seeing

[0:37:42] Voice 3: and hearing none. That carries. Thank you very much. Awesome. Okay, so now let's move back to the

[0:37:51] Voice 3: draft amendment on screen so we can see the next section, which I believe is recreation.

[0:37:58] Voice 3: And as that's coming up, one of the things that I was doing before was making sure that we

[0:38:04] Voice 3: understand the issues and the goal of each section before we make any recommendations.

[0:38:10] Voice 3: recommendations so some of the issues that i see with regards to recommendation recreation

[0:38:17] Voice 3: is that bc has the right to enjoy all of these islands we've got lots of visitors with little

[0:38:23] Voice 3: to no understanding really of what the mandate is they're just coming here to enjoy it we need

[0:38:29] Voice 3: to educate our our visitors to have a low impact on the environment and leave no trace recreational

[0:38:35] Voice 3: recreational activities for youth and adult residences is required for the health of

[0:38:40] Voice 3: communities. And we've got lots of trails and shoreline access and use. So these are all

[0:38:45] Voice 3: good things, but there are some issues surrounding them and how they are used and how they are

[0:38:50] Voice 3: respected. And our goal is the safe and respectful use of the public areas of the island and the

[0:38:57] Voice 3: appropriate recreational facilities that support rural island lifestyles. Those are some of the

[0:39:03] Voice 3: the things that I thought of. I'll let people have a little think if there's anything else

[0:39:08] Voice 3: that they would like to add to those. And if there isn't very much else, we can take a look

[0:39:14] Voice 3: through these policies, both directive and advisory, and see if these are meeting and

[0:39:24] Voice 3: addressing the issues and goals. And if they are, wonderful. If there's something that we feel is a

[0:39:29] Voice 3: gap please bring it forward and what I'm going to say is rather than going line item by line item

[0:39:36] Voice 3: if somebody has a particular issue with a particular item within this section please

[0:39:42] Voice 3: raise your hand and we will discuss it does that work for everybody seeing some nods perfect I will

[0:39:51] Voice 3: then open the floor to anybody that would like to have any say on this trusty

[0:39:59] Trustee Fast: fast thank you chair

[0:40:01] Trustee Fast: back before christmas um and then i think in one of the january meetings uh we talked about

[0:40:08] Trustee Fast: recreation um policies and i did get a good discussion thank you everybody who participated

[0:40:16] Trustee Fast: and i was uh at that time not sure what the process would be so i didn't put anything on

[0:40:23] Trustee Fast: the floor i went and got input from staff so for example for um uh 3.4.25 which is not showing on

[0:40:42] Trustee Fast: the screen right now if somebody could just scroll it up to 3.4.25 thank you public shoreline access

[0:40:48] Trustee Fast: what I'm hoping is I think it's in here on as one of the things on the the sheets that came

[0:41:02] Trustee Fast: from planner our advisor yeoman's three point four point two five anyway it's basically amend

[0:41:14] Trustee Fast: the draft policy statement by removing the words areas providing and change yeah there they are

[0:41:23] Trustee Fast: so there's the two one of them is to change the words areas providing so that it would read

[0:41:29] Trustee Fast: uh identify and protect safe public access and then the other part down below so

[0:41:37] Trustee Fast: i've got the uh um i think the second one down there is what i'm hoping i could move

[0:41:46] Trustee Fast: this had discussion and it's been through Jason Yeoman so excuse me while

[0:41:53] Trustee Fast: I'm going through all these pieces of paper would you like me to move just

[0:41:56] Trustee Fast: move the motion I

[0:41:59] Voice 3: prefer that we have a discussion beforehand just in case

[0:42:06] Voice 3: there's any wording changes because once the motion is on the floor then we have

[0:42:09] Voice 3: to start making amendments to it and I do have some comments myself so that's

[0:42:15] Voice 3: why i put my hand up is that okay okay um so my comment because i did read through the recommended

[0:42:26] Voice 3: motion my question which would be to staff is what is our jurisdiction do we have the jurisdiction to

[0:42:33] Voice 3: identify and protect uh public and because of the way that if if if we remove um protecting the

[0:42:42] Voice 3: the areas providing so it's identify and protect safe public access we are we then becoming

[0:42:53] Voice 3: responsible for public safety versus protecting the areas of land through our through our land

[0:43:00] Voice 3: use bylaws like i want to make sure that we're not accidentally stepping into an area where we

[0:43:08] Voice 3: don't have jurisdiction trustee

[0:43:12] Trustee Fast: fast sure i i'll i'll just uh respond part of this was um

[0:43:18] Trustee Fast: uh to do with the fact that um some islands don't seem to have as many uh uh public beach

[0:43:29] Trustee Fast: accesses as bowen island does and um some of those uh i'm not sure about that but i'm um

[0:43:38] Trustee Fast: And thinking that there needs to be for all the people that come to the islands and for First Nations folks and for residents, there needs to be places where you can get down to the shoreline without trespassing.

[0:43:57] Trustee Fast: And this focus on safe is because some of the existing road right-of-ways or road ends are what we on Bowen call buffalo jumps.

[0:44:10] Trustee Fast: They're steep cliffs where the idea was, I think, that you could just push the logs over the cliff or whatever.

[0:44:17] Trustee Fast: but safe public access just means somewhere where people can actually use

[0:44:24] Trustee Fast: it and get down to the shore or maybe even carry a kayak down there or carry a

[0:44:31] Trustee Fast: bag of clams back up. That's the idea for making sure it's not just all private

[0:44:39] Trustee Fast: land. Thank you. Thank you. Trustee Peterson?

[0:44:45] Voice 9: Following on Trustee Fass' comments there,

[0:44:50] Voice 9: Historically, a number of public accesses, certainly I have the same here on Huete, were sort of put in without much regard for their utility by people walking or otherwise accessing.

[0:45:09] Voice 9: So I really support policy that supports LTCs in ensuring that we don't, or certainly at least carefully consider waiving public accesses, because that's another factor that can happen in subdivisions.

[0:45:29] Voice 9: They're usually required, but they can be waived, which is, I think, has happened enough probably in our islands to make some impact on the public accessibility in many cases, but also support anything that helps LTCs support when there is a public access being created at time of subdivision that LTCs have some policy to point to to say,

[0:45:56] Voice 9: say, hey, this proposal to run a public access trustee facet to a cliff edge is not appropriate.

[0:46:07] Voice 9: And so if we have some policy that helps back up those LTC discussions, I think,

[0:46:13] Voice 9: anyway, I'm very much in support of that.

[0:46:16] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:46:17] Voice 3: Steph Yeomans.

[0:46:18] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[0:46:19] Voice 1: Sorry, I know you called upon staff several speakers ago, but it took me forever to find

[0:46:24] Voice 1: somebody who could tell me how to raise my hand.

[0:46:28] Voice 1: I just heard Trustee Peterson touch on a number of the ways that a local trust committee or trust council can protect these types of public accesses.

[0:46:36] Voice 1: You are correct, Chair Evans, that Islands Trust does not own these public accesses for the most part.

[0:46:43] Voice 1: But through the uses that you authorize adjacent to them, for example, that can have a detrimental or a positive impact on the use of those spaces.

[0:46:52] Voice 1: And at the time of a rezoning application on the foreshore, like let's say that a new beachfront resort was proposed of some appropriately modest scale in the Islands Trust, that is an opportunity potentially to secure a new public access for the community.

[0:47:09] Voice 1: So I think through your land use planning decisions, you do have a role in the protection of these safe public accesses, even if it's not through your outright ownership and maintenance of them.

[0:47:22] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:47:25] Voice 3: Are you finished?

[0:47:26] Voice 1: I am. Thank you. I will now try and figure out how to lower my hand.

[0:47:29] Voice 1: No worries.

[0:47:31] Voice 3: Okay, so what I'm hearing people saying is that they want to identify and protect

[0:47:40] Voice 3: the safe public access. Like I said, I do have a concern with the move with the work by removing

[0:47:49] Voice 3: the areas providing because that is where we do have jurisdiction. What I might suggest is that

[0:47:56] Voice 3: we identify new and protect existing areas providing safe public access as an alternative

[0:48:03] Voice 3: to removing the one piece that we do have jurisdiction on. So I do want to be careful

[0:48:11] Voice 3: about the wording and a straying into areas that we don't have jurisdiction in

[0:48:18] Voice 3: so I'm going to just throw that out there just as a random person and see

[0:48:22] Voice 3: how that's how that lands and I'll leave it there

[0:48:26] Voice 3: just

[0:48:35] Trustee Fast: see fast I'd be happy to just incorporate those two words into the

[0:48:40] Trustee Fast: motion if you'd like I think having had input from staff I was using their words

[0:48:49] Trustee Fast: So unless I see a hand go up from staff with an issue or a concern, that I'm happy to incorporate that.

[0:49:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:49:02] Trustee Fast: Trustee Peterson?

[0:49:05] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair.

[0:49:06] Voice 9: I just have a slight concern about – oh, okay, never mind.

[0:49:14] Voice 9: Sorry.

[0:49:15] Voice 9: I misread something there.

[0:49:18] Voice 9: Supporting the acquisition, we absolutely can do.

[0:49:20] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:49:22] Voice 3: No worries.

[0:49:23] Voice 3: All right. We'll go back to Trustee Faust if you wanted to make your recommendation.

[0:49:29] Trustee Fast: Sure. Okay. Here's my motion. It's a little bit different. So I hope somebody, Robert, I guess, is going to capture this.

[0:49:38] Trustee Fast: I move that Trust Policy Committee, sorry, Trust Programs Committee identify, recommend to Trust Council

[0:49:52] Trustee Fast: that the wording in 3.4.25 of the draft trust policy statement read as follows,

[0:50:07] Trustee Fast: identify new and support existing and support the acquisition and protection of safe public access

[0:50:19] Trustee Fast: to marine shorelines and along marine shorelines that are appropriate for low-impact public

[0:50:25] Trustee Fast: recreational use and do not adversely impact the trust area and its unique amenities and

[0:50:30] Trustee Fast: environment.

[0:50:33] Voice 3: And before I call a second, I'm wondering if I can make a small recommended

[0:50:38] Voice 3: change to Trustee Fast's motion. Identify new, protect existing, and support the acquisition.

[0:50:49] Voice 3: does that work for you yes

[0:50:51] Trustee Fast: thank you i was i wasn't quite sure what was meant and support

[0:50:57] Trustee Fast: so protecting identify new protect existing and support the acquisition and protection

[0:51:06] Trustee Fast: of so thank you yeah so it reads identify new protect existing and support the acquisition

[0:51:20] Trustee Fast: and protection of safe public access to marine shorelines and along marine shorelines and the

[0:51:25] Trustee Fast: rest of it as written thank you i move that seconded

[0:51:30] Voice 3: by trustee yates is that correct

[0:51:32] Voice 3: i think i froze any further discussion on this okay not seeing any hands going up i will therefore

[0:51:52] Voice 3: call the vote on the recommendation all those in favor please raise your hand thank you kindly

[0:52:00] Voice 3: please lower your hands are there any opposed seeing none opposed that is carried we do have

[0:52:13] Voice 3: have some other recommendations that came in via the email system. So we'll take a quick look at

[0:52:22] Voice 3: those so that we've had a chance to discuss them. So 3420. Let's start there. And this was brought

[0:52:33] Voice 3: in by Trustee Getty. So what I'm going to do is I'll read out the existing wording, and then we

[0:52:45] Voice 3: we can take a look at the recommendation. So the existing wording is the location and type

[0:52:50] Voice 3: of recreational facilities. Identify appropriate locations and types of facilities for low impact

[0:52:58] Voice 3: and active recreational activities and discourage high impact recreational facilities that may

[0:53:06] Voice 3: adversely impact the preservation and protection of the trust area and its unique amenities and

[0:53:11] Voice 3: environment and the recommendation now is that that be changed to read identify appropriate

[0:53:19] Voice 3: locations and types of facilities for low impact and active recreational activities and discourage

[0:53:26] Voice 3: high impact recreational facilities that may adversely impact the preservation and protection

[0:53:33] Voice 3: of the trust area and its unique amenities and environment i'm not sure where the change is can

[0:53:39] Voice 3: Can Steph tell me where the change is?

[0:53:42] Voice 3: Steph, you have a minute?

[0:53:46] Voice 1: Sure. Thank you, Chair.

[0:53:48] Voice 1: Showing on screen right now is the updated version of this recommended motion by Trustee Getty,

[0:53:54] Voice 1: which shows a strikethrough, particularly the deletion of the words recreational facilities and its replacement by the word activities.

[0:54:04] Voice 3: I see. And I'm I'm assuming that high impact activities could be like motorized bike trails and things like that. So it's not just the recreational facility, but that

[0:54:17] Voice 1: was that was Trustee Getty's concern. I believe I don't want to speak too widely on her behalf, but facilities implies a building potentially, whereas activities can can be, you know, outside of the four walls of Australia.

[0:54:30] Voice 3: Perfect. OK, so I agree with that. I saw somebody's hand go up. Was that trustee first?

[0:54:38] Trustee Fast: Yes. Thank you, Chair. Just speaking on this one, as I recall, this was about the motorized off-trail vehicle issues on Crownland that we had been having on Bowen

[0:54:52] Trustee Fast: and the clubs and businesses

[0:54:56] Trustee Fast: that had begun bringing trailer fulls of,

[0:55:00] Trustee Fast: anyway, it was becoming an issue

[0:55:04] Trustee Fast: and I think this is what,

[0:55:06] Trustee Fast: this is meant to address.

[0:55:08] Trustee Fast: Perfect, okay.

[0:55:10] Voice 3: Do we have any other discussion on this item?

[0:55:15] Voice 3: If not, then I will ask for someone to go ahead.

[0:55:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[0:55:22] Trustee Fast: if you don't mind me doing this one again um uh i move that uh trust programs committee

[0:55:30] Trustee Fast: recommend to trust council uh that um item 3.4.20 of the uh draft trust policy statement

[0:55:42] Trustee Fast: be uh amended to read that um identify appropriate location oh it's gone identify

[0:55:52] Trustee Fast: Identify appropriate locations and types of facilities for low-impact and active recreational activities and discouraged high-impact activities that may adversely impact preservation and protection of the trust area and its unique amenities and environment.

[0:56:12] Trustee Fast: Over.

[0:56:14] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:56:15] Voice 3: Do we have any discussion on this?

[0:56:17] Voice 3: The wording first before I call for a seconder?

[0:56:23] Voice 3: Not seeing any.

[0:56:25] Voice 3: Do I have a seconder for the recommendation?

[0:56:27] Voice 3: I see Trustee Gavira waving her hand. Perfect. Is there, so I'm going to ask again, is there any discussion on this? Not seeing any, I'm going to call the vote on the recommendation. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. Please lower your hand. Are there any opposed? Not seeing any. That is carried. Thank you very much.

[0:57:02] Voice 3: Okay, so the next item was also brought forward by Trustee Getty, and this is for Section 3422, Access to Community Marinas, Boat Launches, and Docks.

[0:57:19] Voice 3: So the current one reads, Identify Safe Public Access to Community Marinas, Boat Launches, and Docks.

[0:57:27] Voice 3: and the recommendation that was brought forward by trustee Getty is asking to add the words

[0:57:38] Voice 3: support after identify and before safe so it'll be so it would read identify and support safe

[0:57:46] Voice 3: public access to community marinas boat lodges and docks and I don't see I don't have any issue

[0:57:53] Voice 3: with that myself i will open it up for a discussion by people on the floor not seeing any discussion

[0:58:04] Voice 3: is there anyone that would like to move this recommendation trustee

[0:58:13] Trustee Fast: fast well on behalf of my

[0:58:16] Trustee Fast: fellow trustee judy getty i think there was quite a bit of discussion on this and i certainly support

[0:58:22] Trustee Fast: it so I'd be happy to make the motion if you don't mind go ahead okay thank you

[0:58:28] Trustee Fast: I move look at that that Trust Programs Committee recommend to Trust Council to

[0:58:35] Trustee Fast: amend the draft trust policy statement item number three point four point two

[0:58:40] Trustee Fast: two to add the words and support after identifying before safe such that it

[0:58:46] Trustee Fast: would read identify and support safe public access to community marinas boat

[0:58:51] Trustee Fast: boat launches, and docks.

[0:58:53] Voice 3: Thank you. And before we have a seconder, is there any changes to the

[0:58:57] Voice 3: wording that you'd like to bring forward? Oh, Trustee Yates just put her hand down.

[0:59:04] Voice 3: Okay, I'm not seeing any. I'm therefore going to ask for a seconder. Trustee Yates, thank you very

[0:59:11] Voice 3: much. Is there any discussion on this item? Not seeing any. I'm therefore going to call the vote

[0:59:22] Voice 3: on the recommendation. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you very much.

[0:59:29] Voice 3: please lower your hand are there any opposed not seeing any that is also carried thank you very

[0:59:41] Voice 3: much the next item that was brought forward was also by trustee getty and this is on section 3423

[0:59:49] Voice 3: and this is with regards to access to anchorages which currently reads identify appropriate and

[0:59:57] Voice 3: safe small craft anchorage

[0:59:59] Voice 3: change.

[1:00:00] Voice 3: public access locations and if uh staff yeomans could put the um the recommendation on the screen

[1:00:11] Voice 3: that would be lovely okay so the recommendation is such that it would now read identify appropriate

[1:00:26] Voice 3: and safe anchorage in public access location and discourage anchorage in sensitive marine

[1:00:33] Voice 3: marine locations. My thought on this, which I would like to inquire with staff about,

[1:00:41] Voice 3: is because we have removed the word small craft, this would then open this up to,

[1:00:51] Voice 3: we've lost you, chair, anchorages and sensitive marine locations. Would this wording now include,

[1:01:03] Voice 3: oh, I do apologize. It looked like I froze again. I will repeat that. Because of the removal of the

[1:01:12] Voice 3: the words small craft anchorage from this revised wording does this open it up to large uh tankers

[1:01:20] Voice 3: also uh anchoring in sensitive marine locations or um uh can can i get i just want to make sure

[1:01:29] Voice 3: that the removal of small craft which i believe is is more appropriate to um the water surrounding

[1:01:35] Voice 3: Does this have any impact? If Staff Yeomans could answer, or somebody. Go ahead, Staff Yeomans.

[1:01:56] Trustee Fast: We've got a sound problem, I think, Jason.

[1:02:01] Voice 1: Sorry about that. I moved

[1:02:02] Voice 1: my microphone up. Yeah, I'm hesitant to answer this on the fly, but the way the policy is currently drafted to particularly identify small craft anchorage implies that you do not want to identify areas for large vessel anchorage.

[1:02:22] Voice 1: And so by removing small craft, it implies, I think, that you are going to be expected to zone for all types of anchorages.

[1:02:33] Voice 1: I would look to my senior colleagues if anybody has any further ideas on that subject.

[1:02:41] Voice 3: Thank you. I see Trustee Patrick has her

[1:02:43] Voice 3: physical hand up.

[1:02:45] Trustee Patrick: This is in the recreation section, so I would think we would hopefully not have recreational tankers.

[1:02:54] Trustee Patrick: That's my only thing, because I too saw that and thought, oh, are we opening that up?

[1:02:58] Trustee Patrick: But I think the recreation section helps that.

[1:03:01] Trustee Patrick: I

[1:03:02] Voice 3: appreciate the clarity there. I just want to make sure that should anything be taken out of the document and not necessarily being addressed with the title, that it does have a chance to stand alone as well.

[1:03:18] Voice 3: So we could maybe put in here somewhere with regards to recreational anchorages or something.

[1:03:33] Voice 3: I think that would help address that concern.

[1:03:37] Voice 3: I'm not sure how to do that.

[1:03:38] Voice 3: Just a thought.

[1:03:40] Voice 3: Any other discussion on this wording?

[1:03:51] Voice 3: I'm sorry, what was that?

[1:03:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:03:56] Voice 3: I'm not seeing anything else.

[1:04:01] Voice 3: um okay does that somebody want to make them the recommendation and i think we should ask

[1:04:16] Voice 3: if anybody other than trustee pesca she's done all of the all of the motions so far

[1:04:21] Voice 3: trustee

[1:04:22] Voice 6: yates i move that trust programs committee recommend to trust council to amend the draft

[1:04:31] Voice 6: trust policy statement item number 3.4.23 to add the word in after anchorage and before

[1:04:40] Voice 6: public access and add the words and discourage anchorage in sensitive marine locations

[1:04:46] Voice 6: after the word locations at the end of the original such that it would read identify

[1:04:53] Voice 6: appropriate and safe anchorage in public access locations and discourage anchorage in sensitive

[1:05:00] Voice 6: marine locations. Thank

[1:05:04] Voice 3: you. So I'm just going to ask because it doesn't request the removal

[1:05:11] Voice 3: removal of the word small craft, was that done in error?

[1:05:23] Voice 3: Staff Yeomans.

[1:05:26] Voice 1: Sorry, I've just had a minor brainwave here,

[1:05:31] Voice 5: which

[1:05:31] Voice 1: is that the policy as currently written is not about the location of the anchorages.

[1:05:39] Voice 1: It is rather about the access to those anchorages,

[1:05:43] Voice 1: Which implies maybe the dinghy docks that exist in certain locations around the island that people use to transit to and from the anchorages in their tenders. Does that sound right? I would look for some validation that that is in fact what the current policy is about rather than the location of anchorages themselves.

[1:06:08] Voice 1: It

[1:06:10] Voice 3: seems to me that the title is access to anchorages. It does seem that your initial observation there might be correct. So we might need to add in a new section, which would be anchorage locations, where this motion might be more appropriate. How do people feel about that?

[1:06:42] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[1:06:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. As I recall, this one had quite a bit of discussion and I believe that Trustee Getty's name is there as the last person to speak and sort of summing up and suggesting that we get staff's input on it or whatever happened in the meeting.

[1:07:06] Trustee Fast: I haven't been able to track this particular one down.

[1:07:09] Trustee Fast: I think that's a really good point that Jason Yeoman is making.

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast: And certainly here on Newfoundland, Quambo and Island, we've been working hard to protect eelgrass beds as the baby salmon highway and all the other good things that they provide for biodiversity on land and in the waters of the Islands Trust area.

[1:07:32] Trustee Fast: So I really like having this information about identifying appropriate and safe anchorages and discourage anchoring in sensitive marine locations.

[1:07:46] Trustee Fast: But I agree, there also needs to be and identify appropriate and safe small craft anchorage public access locations.

[1:07:56] Trustee Fast: So I don't know if we can combine them or whether they should be better separate.

[1:08:02] Trustee Fast: But perhaps I think I agree with you, Chair, that this or this needs might need to be a new one.

[1:08:10] Trustee Fast: And I'm put my hand down. Thank you.

[1:08:15] Trustee Fast: Steph Rater. Sorry,

[1:08:23] Voice 3: Steph Rater, you're very quiet. We can barely hear you.

[1:08:26] Voice 3: I'm

[1:08:28] Voice 15: on a loaner laptop um let me see what I can do

[1:08:33] Voice 3: maybe if you lean in towards the the laptop

[1:08:36] Voice 3: a little bit we can hear you better yes

[1:08:38] Voice 3: a little bit thank you um

[1:08:41] Voice 15: my comment is this original

[1:08:44] Voice 15: policy is around as senior policy advisor human notice mentioned about access to small craft that

[1:08:51] Voice 15: are at anchor so it's about ensuring that people can get to their vessels at anchor in my view

[1:08:57] Voice 15: this word around discouraging anchorage is a separate concept and i would advocate that you

[1:09:03] Voice 15: make it a separate policy such that when the executive committee is reviewing whether a policy

[1:09:07] Voice 15: has been met or not there's really only one concept to evaluate in each policy i think is

[1:09:12] Voice 15: how we've tried to draft this document also the the discouraging of anchorages is typically done

[1:09:19] Voice 15: through a license of occupation is really the land use planning tool so if that was it could

[1:09:24] Voice 15: could be done either through advocacy which you've decided to not have in this document advocacy and

[1:09:28] Voice 15: education or it can be done through regulation which is zoning and potentially licenses of

[1:09:33] Voice 15: occupation so i think it would be worthy of a conversation around what your intention is of

[1:09:39] Voice 15: this policy and whether the word discourage is in fact the right verb for you thank you i'm going

[1:09:49] Voice 3: to put my hand up for some personal comments in here as well so the current title is access to

[1:09:57] Voice 3: anchorages. And we're feeling that that is the public access locations on the land that may be

[1:10:06] Voice 3: in sensitive areas as well. The wording that is being moved is more related to the anchorage

[1:10:15] Voice 3: location of the vessel. So the recommendation is perhaps to create a new title to go with that

[1:10:23] Voice 3: that wording. So do we want to, do we want to create that section first and then move this

[1:10:33] Voice 3: motion to go into that section or combine them so that it's goes into a new section called

[1:10:40] Voice 3: whatever it's going to be called. I'll leave. We've lost you chair Evans. Sorry. I've been

[1:11:02] Voice 3: trying. Yeah, there we go. My hands down now. I was just having a bit of technical difficulties.

[1:11:06] Voice 3: Trustee Patrick, go ahead.

[1:11:08] Trustee Patrick: My suggestion is that we focus any language right now on the access, and then we could

[1:11:14] Trustee Patrick: ask staff about anchorages and where it would be best dealt with, because there's also a

[1:11:20] Trustee Patrick: marine shoreline section.

[1:11:21] Trustee Patrick: So I think we could just put it in the form of a question to staff.

[1:11:26] Trustee Patrick: Sounds

[1:11:26] Voice 3: good to me.

[1:11:27] Voice 3: Does anyone object to that?

[1:11:31] Voice 3: Thumbs up.

[1:11:33] Voice 3: Okay, so do we need to make a motion or recommendation to staff to do that work?

[1:11:39] Voice 3: Seeing nods. Would somebody like to create a motion to request staff to come back with further information on a new section? I'm not seeing any hands going up. So is that, there we go, Trustee Fast.

[1:12:05] Voice 3: Sorry,

[1:12:06] Trustee Fast: clicking buttons. Yeah, I move that Trust Programs Committee request staff to recommend a new policy to protect,

[1:12:34] Trustee Fast: protect, to identify appropriate and safe anchorages in public access locations for

[1:12:46] Trustee Fast: small craft, something like that.

[1:12:52] Voice 3: Do you want the public access in there?

[1:12:55] Voice 3: Because that, I think part of what we were talking about that then brings it to the shoreline

[1:12:59] Voice 3: versus sensitive marine locations.

[1:13:03] Trustee Fast: Yeah, you can leave the public access out.

[1:13:05] Trustee Fast: thank you that I was trying to get to the

[1:13:08] Voice 3: sensitive, safe, safe and sensitive marine

[1:13:14] Voice 3: locations. Yeah.

[1:13:16] Trustee Fast: To protect sensitive marine locations. Something like that. It's just a

[1:13:28] Trustee Fast: motion to refer to staff.

[1:13:29] Voice 3: So thank you. Does does I'll let you I'll let you take a look at that for

[1:13:34] Voice 3: a second and see if that if that captures your intent oh uh and

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: i think it needs to say uh

[1:13:54] Trustee Fast: because it it only says can i add to this motion and to discourage anchorage in those locations

[1:14:15] Voice 3: Okay. Thank you. And I believe then the request to staff will be to look into the viability of our jurisdiction to do that sort of thing without it being too, what's the word that I'm looking for? Anyway, staff can look into that and come back to us with a recommendation center report. So, Trustee Graham, do you have any?

[1:14:45] Voice 3: Thank

[1:14:47] Voice 7: you, Chair. I think right now you're asking staff to identify safe anchorages in insensitive marine areas and then to discourage anchorage in those areas. I'm not sure that's what I would want here.

[1:15:04] Voice 7: Thank

[1:15:04] Trustee Fast: you. Thank you, Trustee Graham. Can I strike the first, after it says protect safe anchorages, can I strike the first where it says insensitive marine locations and cut that and move it to the end to replace in those locations? So discourage, yeah.

[1:15:27] Voice 3: There we go. Thank you so much, Trustee Graham. All right. Now does that capture what you're wanting, Trustee Fast?

[1:15:41] Trustee Fast: In the recreation section, I think this should be enough for staff to come back with recommendations

[1:15:46] Trustee Fast: and I'm not seeing any hands flying up from staff, but okay.

[1:15:54] Voice 3: Do I have a seconder for this motion?

[1:16:02] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott, thank you.

[1:16:06] Voice 3: Is there any discussion on this request?

[1:16:12] Voice 3: Not seeing any, I'm going to call the vote on the request.

[1:16:17] Voice 3: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[1:16:22] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[1:16:23] Voice 3: please lower your hands. Any opposed? Seeing none, that carries. Thank you very much.

[1:16:35] Voice 3: Okay, moving down.

[1:16:39] Trustee Fast: Oh, hang on. Yeah, go ahead. If we can return to 3.4.23.

[1:16:47] Trustee Fast: I was about to. Okay, sorry. I said when you went moving down. My apologies.

[1:16:58] Voice 3: okay

[1:16:59] Trustee Fast: go ahead with your comment thank you I was just going to suggest um uh that this is the one

[1:17:07] Trustee Fast: about access to anchorages and there it is at the bottom there and if we could um uh let's think

[1:17:16] Trustee Fast: about whether we want to add the words uh this is about access safe small crate and public access

[1:17:26] Trustee Fast: access locations uh that um protect sensitive ecosystems or something like that i don't know

[1:17:40] Trustee Fast: what it should be i'm sorry i'm talking too much but i'm trying to trying to help but i think the

[1:17:45] Trustee Fast: point about the other changes was that we were trying to um uh make sure that access locations

[1:17:54] Trustee Fast: locations where people went down to the shoreline was also inappropriate locations so that sensitive

[1:18:01] Trustee Fast: coastal habitat wasn't being damaged. So I'm going to step back a little bit here and

[1:18:10] Trustee Fast: see what other people think. Do we need to make changes here?

[1:18:15] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Trustee Yates?

[1:18:17] Voice 6: It wouldn't hurt to maybe delineate safe and appropriate because safe is for the humans,

[1:18:26] Voice 6: and appropriate is for the ecosystem that's

[1:18:33] Voice 3: a good point i'm going to raise my own hand here

[1:18:36] Voice 3: to make a comment um so perhaps a suggestion based on what you said is identify safe small

[1:18:43] Voice 3: craft anchorage public access locations uh identify safe small craft anchorage public access

[1:18:56] Voice 3: well i think it's fine identify appropriate and safe small craft anchorage public locations

[1:19:01] Voice 3: that protect marine-sensitive areas.

[1:19:08] Trustee Fast: But this was shoreline, right?

[1:19:11] Trustee Fast: The other one's going to be the marine part?

[1:19:17] Voice 14: Sorry.

[1:19:20] Voice 3: Yeah, no worries.

[1:19:21] Voice 3: Trustee Graham?

[1:19:23] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:19:26] Voice 7: Just putting myself in a boater's situation with my little dinghy.

[1:19:31] Voice 7: So the public access location isn't necessarily directly adjacent

[1:19:36] Voice 7: from a safe anchorage area.

[1:19:40] Voice 7: In fact, it could be the safe anchorage area could be to the left

[1:19:44] Voice 7: and the sensitive marine area could be to the right

[1:19:48] Voice 7: and they can all coexist.

[1:19:50] Voice 7: So actually, I think the policy as it is written,

[1:19:54] Voice 7: appropriate is certainly the right word and safe is the right word

[1:19:58] Voice 7: and I wouldn't add anything else.

[1:20:02] Voice 3: Okay, sounds good.

[1:20:05] Voice 3: Seeing nods around the table,

[1:20:07] Voice 3: Is there anything further to add? Or are we happy to leave this one as it sits and wait for staff to come back on the other one? Thumbs up. Okay. Perfect. So we are going to leave 3423 as it currently stands. Staff is going to come back with an additional section to address the other comments.

[1:20:31] Voice 3: all right so the next item that we have that came forward is section 3425 which is a public

[1:20:44] Voice 3: shoreline access and that reads identify and protect areas providing safe public access to

[1:20:52] Voice 3: marine shorelines and along marine shorelines that are appropriate for low impact public

[1:20:58] Voice 3: recreational use and do not adversely impact the trust area and its unique amenities and environment

[1:21:04] Voice 3: environment.

[1:21:08] Trustee Fast: Yes, go ahead. Perhaps we could check with staff. Didn't we already deal with

[1:21:13] Trustee Fast: this at the beginning of the meeting? I'm afraid I may have. We did that back like at 940.

[1:21:19] Trustee Fast: Was this a section? I think it may have been. We

[1:21:22] Voice 3: could check. Yeah, I'm just going through

[1:21:24] Voice 3: because I've got a few different items in here. So if this was already being dealt with,

[1:21:28] Voice 3: we can definitely move on. I think it was. But I'm just going through the two motions that had

[1:21:34] Voice 3: come in and i just want to make sure that there are that they're reviewed and addressed and not

[1:21:40] Voice 3: just can we

[1:21:41] Trustee Fast: check with staff barlow and um find out did we already vote on 3.4.25 we voted on one

[1:21:50] Trustee Fast: of them

[1:21:52] Voice 10: uh sure if i may go ahead uh the motion as you described it was made but never seconded

[1:22:02] Voice 10: and then abandoned

[1:22:03] Voice 5: yep

[1:22:04] Voice 3: okay so that was the motion at the very beginning of this meeting

[1:22:14] Voice 3: no

[1:22:17] Voice 10: i thought you were referring to section three four two five i

[1:22:21] Voice 3: am there's two that came forward

[1:22:23] Voice 3: one from trustee fast and one that's unidentified we had a motion at the very beginning of this

[1:22:29] Voice 3: meeting that trustee fast brought forward which i believe was one of them but we still have one

[1:22:34] Voice 3: one that's outstanding. And I just want to make sure that it's reviewed before moving on.

[1:22:39] Voice 10: My minutes indicate you dealt with 3.4.17, 3.4.18. And they were both carried. And 3.4.25.

[1:22:53] Voice 10: That was also carried. And

[1:22:55] Voice 10: 3.4.20.

[1:22:57] Voice 10: 0

[1:22:57] Voice 3: .25 was one of them was dealt with but we have two in here they're

[1:23:06] Trustee Fast: connected okay

[1:23:07] Voice 3: so i just want

[1:23:08] Voice 3: i'm just okay i hear i hear that you're saying that they're connecting i'm just

[1:23:12] Voice 3: what i'm doing here is i'm making sure that they have both been addressed

[1:23:17] Voice 3: before just moving on because we had one vote on one item i don't want to um ignore something that

[1:23:26] Voice 3: that could have been brought forward by somebody else or as a general discussion. I just want to

[1:23:31] Voice 3: make sure it's been addressed. Is that okay? Perfect. So as I'm hearing from you, these two

[1:23:40] Voice 3: items are, okay, I'm seeing other hands going up. Trustee Peterson?

[1:23:49] Voice 9: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[1:23:50] Voice 9: um the uh first version of uh 3.4.25 was just removing the words area providing

[1:24:01] Voice 9: um if we look at what we actually did with 3.4.25 i think that that satisfies that request

[1:24:08] Voice 9: because those words are not in the recommendation that we sent off to trust council so i think we've

[1:24:17] Voice 9: adequately addressed it unless someone else has uh feels that we didn't okay

[1:24:24] Voice 3: so that was so you

[1:24:26] Voice 3: what i'm asking is have both of these recommendations being addressed there's two of

[1:24:31] Voice 3: them in here seeing a thumbs up and trustee patrick sorry

[1:24:36] Trustee Patrick: i was just going back through

[1:24:37] Trustee Patrick: the uh notes from first nations and i just wanted to question staff on the all these access issues

[1:24:45] Trustee Patrick: in the recreation section many of the first nations identified also the impacts on the

[1:24:51] Trustee Patrick: cultural sites archaeological sites in this area and i'm just is that addressed

[1:24:58] Trustee Patrick: by the general statement of preserving and protecting the um you know unique amenities

[1:25:07] Trustee Patrick: and environment or um does that need to be addressed better in this section okay so before

[1:25:17] Voice 3: Before we get into that conversation, I want to make sure that the second 3425 has been addressed, where it says identify and support the acquisition and protection of safe public access.

[1:25:29] Voice 3: I'm going to ask the question again, was that covered? Is this item closed?

[1:25:39] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[1:25:39] Trustee Fast: asked if um robert barlow could you if somebody could share uh or put it in the chat or something

[1:25:49] Trustee Fast: the motion that we passed uh because i'm um pretty sure i've got it written down here but

[1:25:57] Trustee Fast: i um think everybody would want to see what was there uh and this was related to three point

[1:26:06] Trustee Fast: 425

[1:26:27] Voice 3: that's it there thank you so that is addressed perfect thank you very much those

[1:26:34] Voice 3: two items are deemed closed now uh i'm going to go back to trustee patrick she had a question

[1:26:41] Voice 3: and i would and that was directed at staff so if staff could come forward and answer her question

[1:26:48] Voice 3: before we move on and that had to do with first nations i have staff raters available if she would

[1:26:57] Voice 3: be able to answer sorry

[1:27:00] Voice 15: chair can you repeat the question i apologize

[1:27:02] Trustee Patrick: i'd be happy to um i just was

[1:27:05] Trustee Patrick: i went back just to take a look at some of the comments that were received on the recreational

[1:27:08] Trustee Patrick: section from first nations and the uh there was particular identifying the cultural heritage and

[1:27:17] Trustee Patrick: archaeological sites and i'm wondering was that is that addressed in here or or not by the broader

[1:27:23] Trustee Patrick: protection of unique amenities in the environment is that covered or do we need to be more specific

[1:27:29] Trustee Patrick: i

[1:27:30] Voice 15: expect it's covered in that we want to ensure that yeah i think i need more time to answer that

[1:27:36] Voice 15: in specific the the nature of the conversations that were held related to the idea that

[1:27:43] Voice 15: recreation by tourism and locals can have an impact on harvesting in particular was the nature

[1:27:48] Voice 15: of the conversations we had so it's really hard to go gather shellfish for example when there's

[1:27:53] Voice 15: a beach full of people sort of observing you as a oddity or uh you know some kind of things you

[1:28:00] Voice 15: know people are out there and people are taking pictures and asking questions and we're telling

[1:28:04] Voice 15: them that they're you know we're not welcome um so i think that was the nature of the concerns

[1:28:09] Voice 15: that are raised around recreation which might be somewhat distinct from the policy that you're

[1:28:13] Voice 15: looking at in this moment um also it was looking at this the general degradation that goes on um

[1:28:18] Voice 15: An example would be medicinal plants, that if you've got everyone out dog walking along

[1:28:22] Voice 15: the shoreline on a Sunday morning, the cumulative impact of all that trampling can lead to a

[1:28:27] Voice 15: lessening of the biodiversity in those areas, and particularly sensitive species such as

[1:28:31] Voice 15: some of the medicinal plants might become less abundant into the future.

[1:28:35] Voice 15: It was those kinds of nuanced conversations that we were having with respect to the particular

[1:28:40] Voice 15: policy and whether it has adequately addressed those types of concerns or whether it can,

[1:28:45] Voice 15: I think is something we might need to report back to you on.

[1:28:47] Voice 15: I do see that Senior Policy Advisor Eumann's hand is up, so he may be able to add to that comment.

[1:28:55] Voice 15: Perfect. Go

[1:28:56] Trustee Fast: ahead, Jason. Eumanns?

[1:28:58] Voice 1: Notwithstanding any desire of the body to have us report back with a more robust answer,

[1:29:03] Voice 1: I mean, I think there is a way to weave together the question that Trustee Patrick has posed and that Director Frater has shared,

[1:29:09] Voice 1: which is that there are policies elsewhere in the documents, such as 3.418 related to septic systems,

[1:29:15] Voice 1: where the need to ensure the protection of Indigenous peoples' cultural heritage sites

[1:29:19] Voice 1: and marine harvesting areas is made explicit in the policy.

[1:29:24] Voice 1: And that language could be added to this policy on public access to shorelines

[1:29:31] Voice 1: if indeed that is of importance to the trustees here today.

[1:29:36] Voice 1: You can make it explicit within the policy that that is a priority concern for you

[1:29:42] Voice 1: in in the relationship between public access and indigenous people's use of of these same lands

[1:29:49] Voice 1: brilliant

[1:29:51] Voice 3: thank you very much for your advice um trustee peterson um

[1:29:57] Voice 9: thank you chair um

[1:30:00] Voice 9: I'd also note section 3.2.5 talks about engaging

[1:30:08] Voice 9: in Indigenous governing bodies to improve access

[1:30:13] Voice 9: to marine and land-based harvesting and hunting areas.

[1:30:16] Voice 9: So it's not addressed, but I also have no problem

[1:30:22] Voice 9: um if the committee is is wanting to do so with the notion that we explicitly address it in the

[1:30:32] Voice 9: section as well so just support for the notion that we might want to explicitly make it clearly

[1:30:39] Voice 9: identified in the section thank

[1:30:42] Trustee Fast: you uh trustee fast thank you um hearing those comments i think

[1:30:49] Trustee Fast: maybe we want to do something wholesale but for this one which remind me which number we're on

[1:30:56] Trustee Fast: again please chair um

[1:30:58] Voice 3: we are just within the set that the entire section we're not on a particular

[1:31:03] Voice 3: line item right now because

[1:31:05] Trustee Fast: for example for 3.4.25 if we wanted to amend the motion we just

[1:31:12] Trustee Fast: made, we could, as in 3.4.18, we could add the words, after unique amenities and environment,

[1:31:21] Trustee Fast: comma, including Indigenous peoples' cultural heritage sites and marine harvesting areas.

[1:31:28] Trustee Fast: And that might reflect some of the concerns we heard from the First Nations that responded to us

[1:31:39] Trustee Fast: and make it more clear to everybody, including through the years,

[1:31:44] Trustee Fast: and even at the next trust council, what we're thinking.

[1:31:48] Trustee Fast: So I'm not seeing any shaking hands or anything,

[1:31:52] Trustee Fast: but I'm just taking the text from the end of 3.4.18 about septic systems

[1:31:58] Trustee Fast: or waste disposal systems, whatever it's called,

[1:32:03] Trustee Fast: and adding that to the end of 3.4.25 or wherever we like.

[1:32:09] Trustee Fast: I'll just put that out there.

[1:32:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Yates.

[1:32:14] Voice 6: Oh, I'm just going to say I really like that idea.

[1:32:16] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:32:17] Voice 14: Okay.

[1:32:18] Voice 3: Okay, so it seems like I'm seeing nods around the table for that idea.

[1:32:23] Voice 3: Would somebody like to make that recommendation?

[1:32:26] Voice 3: Trustee Fast.

[1:32:28] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:32:28] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:32:29] Trustee Fast: I move that Trust Programs Committee, well, can I just amend the motion that we just made?

[1:32:43] Trustee Fast: No, it's been, it's been called, so

[1:32:45] Voice 3: you have

[1:32:47] Trustee Fast: to amend the motion.

[1:32:47] Trustee Fast: Then I think, yeah, then I move that Trust Programs Committee recommend to Trust Council that the words, comma, including Indigenous peoples' cultural and heritage sites and marine harvesting areas, this is from the end of 3.4.18, if you wanted to copy it, including Indigenous peoples.

[1:33:18] Trustee Fast: uh

[1:33:19] Voice 10: chair sorry i just need to uh find that wording or trustee fast could just speak slower

[1:33:26] Voice 10: and then i could capture it as she reads it whatever my

[1:33:30] Trustee Fast: apologies i'll speak slowly

[1:33:33] Trustee Fast: including indigenous sorry

[1:33:36] Voice 10: uh right now we have the trust programs committee recommend to trust

[1:33:40] Voice 10: Council, that what?

[1:33:43] Trustee Fast: That the words, you're correct there, comma, including Indigenous

[1:34:00] Trustee Fast: peoples, with the apostrophe at the end, yeah, cultural heritage sites and marine harvesting

[1:34:16] Trustee Fast: interesting areas, close quote, be added to policy 3.4.25, should I say, and other ones?

[1:34:40] Trustee Fast: I'll just leave it there. Thank you.

[1:34:43] Voice 3: I'm also going to recommend that we add in the words

[1:34:47] Voice 3: to trust council to amend the draft policy, the regular words, because currently it just reads

[1:34:54] Voice 3: that trust programs committee recommend to trust council but it doesn't say to what or to where

[1:35:00] Voice 3: doing my

[1:35:02] Trustee Fast: best on the fly here absolutely 3.4.25 and

[1:35:24] Voice 3: i would also recommend i would say at the

[1:35:26] Voice 3: very end be added to the end of the current sentence or something like that yeah so we know

[1:35:32] Voice 3: where it's being added

[1:35:33] Trustee Fast: right so instead of be added to policy 3.4.25 because you already put

[1:35:38] Trustee Fast: that in be added to the end of the sentence i'm

[1:35:48] Voice 3: just going to let you have a look at that i will

[1:35:50] Voice 3: come back to you in a second and make sure that that addresses what um what you wanted to say

[1:35:58] Voice 3: seeing a nod i'm going to go to trustee patrick she has her hand up

[1:36:02] Trustee Patrick: i'm i'm trying i'm trying hard to think here as i'm going through and con uh responding to what

[1:36:08] Trustee Patrick: the planner planner uh staff yeomans um had uh answered and we do have directive policies you

[1:36:16] Trustee Patrick: you know, 3-2-1, 3-2-2, and 3-2-3.

[1:36:21] Trustee Patrick: And I think, I don't know if this is an interpretation

[1:36:27] Trustee Patrick: or implementation question

[1:36:28] Trustee Patrick: as we implement the trust policy statement.

[1:36:37] Trustee Patrick: You know, basically, we would want to add these words

[1:36:39] Trustee Patrick: to every policy in here,

[1:36:41] Trustee Patrick: or we go back and we interpret the policies that are here

[1:36:44] Trustee Patrick: in a way that they're applied to everything that's here.

[1:36:47] Trustee Patrick: So I think Jason's answer is correct, that it is covered with other policies, but I think we could add clarification somehow as we implement the policies or as we look back at this entire policy back together again to make sure that these really apply to everything we do.

[1:37:08] Trustee Patrick: there should be no housing put in these areas there should be you know all of these things

[1:37:12] Trustee Patrick: will require uh conversations engagement with first nations to identify these areas and to

[1:37:17] Trustee Patrick: make sure they're not being harmed so um i think it's a bigger question and we might want to pose

[1:37:23] Trustee Patrick: this and think about it as we go forward to make sure it's really covered and i see we've got

[1:37:27] Trustee Patrick: claire's hand up now too oh

[1:37:32] Voice 3: um sorry i can't i can't see this claire it was claire were you

[1:37:37] Voice 15: breathing your hand there? I didn't have my hat up, but I'm happy to speak to this. Just to add

[1:37:41] Voice 15: a little bit of clarification. Council in 2021, just to clarify, just in terms of the intent,

[1:37:48] Voice 15: the word amenities is meant to be inclusive of heritage and cultural heritage, certainly as

[1:37:53] Voice 15: being a clear, unique amenity of the region. It was clear from the outset of the trust that that

[1:37:57] Voice 15: was one of the amenities that was intended for the trust to protect. So in terms of the

[1:38:01] Voice 15: interpretation of that, that is intended to be, I think, pending any further trust council discussion

[1:38:06] Voice 15: on the object i think it's been intended that that is included in the word amenities that said

[1:38:11] Voice 15: there may be points at which trust counsel through this document wishes to be explicit

[1:38:14] Voice 15: so there is no future concern around interpretation um that you wish to have something in there so

[1:38:20] Voice 15: just want to put that there again you'd have to be you know the simpler this document is the better

[1:38:24] Voice 15: but there may be places where you wish to be explicit and that's a political consideration

[1:38:28] Voice 15: for you don't know if that's a helpful comment but just wanted to add that for clarification

[1:38:32] Voice 3: thank you and that was actually my comment so go ahead trustee fast thank

[1:38:38] Trustee Fast: you uh i agree totally

[1:38:39] Trustee Fast: all i'm thinking is that uh if we choose to pass this uh that this will highlight to trust council

[1:38:46] Trustee Fast: as a whole uh that this is something we should consider about whether we want to assume that

[1:38:52] Trustee Fast: it's wholesale or whether we want to put it in particular places or and that we've discussed it

[1:38:58] Trustee Fast: and considered it and maybe trust council wants to so i'm in favor of uh i still stand by having

[1:39:05] Trustee Fast: moved this motion and i think it would be a good idea to send it send it along so that

[1:39:10] Trustee Fast: trust council puts their mind to it specifically thank

[1:39:16] Voice 3: you very much um so based on the conversation

[1:39:20] Voice 3: um what i'm hearing around the table is that even though we have the policies at the front

[1:39:28] Voice 3: of the document that are intended to be applied wholesale across the entirety there are sections

[1:39:33] Voice 3: that we may as um as a trust council decide that there are specific areas that we want to bring

[1:39:41] Voice 3: particular attention to to make sure that it's not missed so based on that i'm going to ask if

[1:39:47] Voice 3: there's a seconder to this recommendation lisa gavro is seconding thank you again if if if you're

[1:39:58] Voice 3: using your physical hand, could I ask that you yell out to me because I can't always see. So

[1:40:02] Voice 3: thank you, Lisa. Second. Brilliant. And is there any further discussion on this before I call the

[1:40:11] Voice 3: vote? Not hearing any. I am therefore going to call the vote on this recommendation. All those

[1:40:20] Voice 3: in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. Please lower your hand. Are there any

[1:40:30] Voice 3: Any opposed? Not seeing any. That carries. Thank you very much.

[1:40:37] Voice 3: OK, so that concludes all of the submitted recommendations to this particular section.

[1:40:46] Voice 3: I'm going to ask before we move on, is there anything else that anyone would like to bring forward at this time?

[1:40:54] Voice 3: And I see a couple of hands going up. Trustee Fast.

[1:40:57] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. I had moved one way back and got the input from Senior Policy Advisor Yeomans about a new directive policy that I was calling.

[1:41:15] Trustee Fast: Well, anyway, if you look at 3.4.25 again,

[1:41:21] Voice 5: bear

[1:41:23] Trustee Fast: it, to look at it again, this one would be similar to public access to the shoreline, except it would be public access to public crown land.

[1:41:34] Trustee Fast: because i don't um on on bowen island there are lots of subdivisions sort of run along the bottom

[1:41:42] Trustee Fast: the base of a piece of crown land and there's no pathway for residents or

[1:41:51] Trustee Fast: first nations folks who might wish to hunt or for visitors to get up into the crown land

[1:42:00] Trustee Fast: land onto the trails. And so I was proposing and I had sent it in at one time and I thought it was

[1:42:08] Trustee Fast: on this list, but I guess I missed it. Anyway, I'm going to move. It is. It's right there. Three,

[1:42:17] Trustee Fast: four, two, six. Right on the screen. Oh, thank you. Yes. Great. Thank you. I know we had some

[1:42:24] Trustee Fast: some discussion about this. And I did talk with Senior Policy Advisor Yeomans about it with

[1:42:32] Trustee Fast: Trustee Getty was there too. And so I'm hoping we can incorporate this one and I would like to

[1:42:39] Trustee Fast: move it. Sounds

[1:42:42] Voice 3: good. I'm just going to go to Trustee Yates first and get comments and then

[1:42:47] Voice 3: I'll come back to you for moving.

[1:42:50] Voice 6: Go ahead, Trustee Yates. Oh, sure. I was just after we do

[1:42:52] Voice 6: this I was asking for another five minute break. Absolutely

[1:42:57] Voice 3: I was going to I was going to schedule

[1:42:59] Voice 3: one closer to 11 30 so that we'd have a lunch break at that point. Oh great. Is that okay?

[1:43:04] Voice 3: Yeah. Okay because I'll be about halfway through the meeting. Perfect. Okay go ahead trustee Fast.

[1:43:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I would like to move that trust programs committee recommend to trust council

[1:43:19] Trustee Fast: council uh that a new directive policy 3.4.x you could change the 26 to x i think it would be um

[1:43:33] Trustee Fast: because it would be new and there's already a 3.4.26 okay uh so public access to public

[1:43:43] Trustee Fast: slash crown land that reads identify and support the acquisition and protection

[1:43:50] Trustee Fast: protection of public access to publicly owned lands that's my motion thank you thank you um

[1:43:59] Voice 3: staff free to go ahead hi

[1:44:04] Voice 15: there i'm just going to flag that the support the acquisition of

[1:44:07] Voice 15: phrase really is more in the camp in the realm of advocacy rather than land use planning directly

[1:44:13] Voice 15: um so i just wanted to flag that just because you've intended with this document to not include

[1:44:19] Voice 15: other advocacy language um so just wanted to draw that to your attention there it's not really um

[1:44:24] Voice 15: a directive that a land use planner could you know sort of assess the assessed as part of the

[1:44:30] Voice 15: development of an ocp or a land use bylaw particularly happy to be corrected by other

[1:44:34] Voice 15: staff but sort of that's my concern around this if you are intending to create a document without

[1:44:39] Voice 15: advocacy statements in it okay

[1:44:42] Voice 3: so your recommendation would be to remove the word and

[1:44:44] Voice 3: And support.

[1:44:45] Voice 3: And support the acquisition, yeah.

[1:44:50] Voice 3: Trustee Fast?

[1:44:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:44:54] Trustee Fast: This is in here because when a rezoning does come before municipal council here on Bowen,

[1:45:01] Trustee Fast: several times as part of the rezoning, we have requested and received a public access route

[1:45:11] Trustee Fast: route uh through a former um private a big private lot and uh so i think it it um we've

[1:45:24] Trustee Fast: been doing it here i think it refers more to the um what you can request during a uh or uh hope for

[1:45:34] Trustee Fast: or um support during a rezoning uh is is more what i'm thinking here thank you um

[1:45:42] Voice 3: i'm just going to

[1:45:43] Voice 3: to identify myself.

[1:45:46] Voice 3: From what I'm seeing here, it's also

[1:45:48] Voice 3: like when we have subdivisions on our land,

[1:45:51] Voice 3: we do also work with the other agencies

[1:45:57] Voice 3: for the acquisition of public access

[1:46:00] Voice 3: through the lands as well.

[1:46:03] Voice 3: So I'm hearing what Staff Rater is saying.

[1:46:08] Voice 3: So if the clarity here is just to remove the words

[1:46:11] Voice 3: and support so that it reads identify the acquisition and protection of public access

[1:46:17] Voice 3: to publicly owned lands um i i yeah that doesn't quite read right so yeah i'm still having a little

[1:46:29] Voice 3: issue with those wordings so i'm just going to lower my hand and go to trustee gabriel

[1:46:32] Voice 3: uh thank you um

[1:46:35] Voice 16: yeah i i agree i think removing the word support um i i don't know i'm just going

[1:46:41] Voice 16: throw it out there what about instead of using the word support putting uh protect using that

[1:46:46] Voice 16: instead because we are talking about um like indigenous cultural sites that are accessed

[1:46:51] Voice 16: on crown lands and i think we could have a policy to help support that and i think protection is the

[1:46:58] Voice 16: right word thank you

[1:47:00] Voice 16: thank

[1:47:02] Voice 3: you i'm just going to um look to staff rachel if that addresses

[1:47:05] Voice 3: addresses her original concern moving from advocacy back into our current realm of

[1:47:13] Voice 3: of uh jurisdiction i

[1:47:15] Voice 15: would look for the land use planners on the call one of them one of

[1:47:19] Voice 15: whom has just opened his doors maybe maybe just if you could give us just a quick moment to confer

[1:47:22] Voice 15: absolutely i'll be

[1:47:23] Voice 15: back with you momentarily i'm

[1:47:25] Voice 3: quite sure we can find something to talk about

[1:47:27] Voice 3: um okay so why is like i've

[1:47:40] Voice 14: lost her can anybody hear her or is it just me

[1:47:46] Voice 3: no i can't hear her yeah oh you can't hear me no oh

[1:47:50] Voice 14: there we go

[1:47:50] Voice 3: sorry and uh it's just the internet

[1:47:55] Voice 3: here it's wonderful south panda this is why i generally can't do much from here i was just

[1:48:00] Voice 3: saying by while we're waiting for her to come back um does anybody else have anything to say

[1:48:05] Voice 3: on this topic um any other suggestions are we happy with the the way it's proposed and the intent

[1:48:12] Voice 3: go

[1:48:14] Trustee Fast: ahead trusty dust um i love the idea but there's something funny about the wording

[1:48:20] Trustee Fast: protect the acquisition

[1:48:21] Voice 5: protection

[1:48:22] Trustee Fast: you know that maybe there's something better that we can

[1:48:25] Trustee Fast: think of uh while we hear while we while we listen to claire who's back perfect go ahead okay thank

[1:48:33] Voice 15: Thank you all. After a quick doorway huddle here, I've been brought around that, yes,

[1:48:37] Voice 15: we can support the acquisition of as a land use planning function. But also my concern was by who?

[1:48:42] Voice 15: So in the case of Bowen Island Misspality, they are the ones acquiring. So it makes sense in

[1:48:47] Voice 15: that context. In the context of a local trust committee, they are not the body acquiring.

[1:48:52] Voice 15: So we were thinking weaving in support. And again, acquire, like who is to do the acquiring,

[1:48:58] Voice 15: requiring adding in the language something around by a public body something something like that

[1:49:03] Voice 15: might add more clarity to it um again you whenever you bog down on language feel free to refer to

[1:49:09] Voice 15: staff we can come back with refined language um but those are the thoughts we were just

[1:49:13] Voice 15: kicking

[1:49:14] Voice 3: the tires of okay so what you're what you're recommending then is to have the wording

[1:49:21] Voice 3: read identify and support the acquisition and protection of public access to publicly owned

[1:49:25] Voice 3: owned lands by a public body i think the public

[1:49:30] Voice 15: this is again i haven't quite wordsmithed it i

[1:49:33] Voice 15: think it would have to be clear that the acquisition is by a public body um it was what we were looking

[1:49:39] Voice 15: at again if you want to give us a little bit of time we might be able to craft something and bring

[1:49:43] Voice 15: it back to

[1:49:44] Voice 3: you okay so um are we okay putting a pin in this while we deal with the next item

[1:49:49] Voice 3: and then come back and i'm going to ask steph rater if you can um throw your hand up when

[1:49:55] Voice 3: And when we have something ready, I'm just going to make a little mark here that this

[1:50:01] Voice 3: is that we've got a pin in this and we'll come back to it.

[1:50:05] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:50:06] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:50:08] Voice 3: OK, so I saw nods on putting a pin in it and we'll come back after the next item.

[1:50:14] Voice 3: So, again, is there anything else in the section that somebody would like to bring forward?

[1:50:18] Voice 3: Do we feel that this section has addressed the issues and the goals that we as a body of trustees and trust council have identified?

[1:50:31] Voice 3: Seeing a few nods.

[1:50:33] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:50:34] Voice 3: So then we will wind up moving into object number five, fostering sustainable stewardship of lands and waters.

[1:50:42] Voice 3: And the first item here is fresh water.

[1:50:44] Voice 3: water so again thinking of some of the issues and what our goals are some of the issues are

[1:50:52] Voice 3: we live on islands we live on rocks in the middle of saltwater bodies we have

[1:51:00] Voice 3: populations that are steadily growing and continuing to put resource drains on these items

[1:51:08] Voice 3: we have depleting water sources and we have water sources that are being maintained and they require

[1:51:16] Voice 3: regulation and monitoring. So we have a few items in there. And the goal is to make sure that we

[1:51:23] Voice 3: maintain sustainable communities, that we maintain our freshwater

[1:51:30] Voice 3: levels and accessibility. We also want to maintain our ecosystems. We want to maintain

[1:51:38] Voice 3: um the balance between people living on the island and the nature that we are we are here

[1:51:49] Voice 3: to protect very badly stated um does anybody see any additional issues not seeing any okay

[1:52:03] Voice 3: Okay, so I'm going to open it to the floor.

[1:52:08] Voice 3: We do have two items that came in via email, and they're specifically for 351.

[1:52:16] Voice 3: Do we want to go through those first, or do you want to bring anything else forward?

[1:52:28] Voice 3: I'm not seeing any other suggestions.

[1:52:30] Voice 3: So we will deal with the two items that came in, one from Trustee Getty and one from Trustee Boland, on 351.

[1:52:40] Voice 3: And 351 currently reads, fresh water sustainability.

[1:52:46] Voice 3: Ensure that neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in watersheds,

[1:52:52] Voice 3: where the quality or quantity of the supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable.

[1:53:01] Voice 3: That is the current wording, and these are the suggestions.

[1:53:04] Voice 3: So we will work with the first one by Trustee Getty first.

[1:53:11] Voice 3: So we can have a look at both of these. We can read through both of these. And then I'm going to ask you as a committee to let me know which one is landing best with you. And then we will work on that. Or we can create our own wording that addresses both of them.

[1:53:32] Voice 3: so trustee gaddy is recommending removing um so that it reads ensure that neither the density or

[1:53:41] Voice 3: intensity of land use is increased in watersheds where the quality or quantity of fresh water

[1:53:46] Voice 3: is likely to be adversely affected whereas trustee boland is suggesting that it be changed to read

[1:53:55] Voice 3: ensure the density and intensity of land use in watersheds does not negatively impact the quality

[1:54:00] Voice 3: or quantity of the freshwater supply?

[1:54:03] Voice 3: So my first question is,

[1:54:05] Voice 3: is there one that's preferable to this committee to work with?

[1:54:29] Voice 3: And I froze.

[1:54:30] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:54:30] Voice 3: I'm not seeing anybody's hands going up with regards to preference.

[1:54:36] Trustee Patrick: I was just going to ask, sorry,

[1:54:39] Trustee Patrick: my copy of the current policy statement is in the car.

[1:54:42] Trustee Patrick: What the current policy reads so that we understand,

[1:54:45] Trustee Patrick: what is the current policy?

[1:54:47] Trustee Patrick: I'm trying to find it.

[1:54:48] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:54:49] Voice 3: the current policy reads ensure that neither the density no no i

[1:54:53] Voice 3: i mean the current approved

[1:54:55] Trustee Patrick: policy that we have it's not not what's here that

[1:55:00] Trustee Fast: is the current approved policy it says

[1:55:02] Trustee Fast: i'm looking from um so

[1:55:08] Voice 3: this is what is currently written in 351 reads ensure that neither the

[1:55:14] Voice 3: density nor intensity of land use is increased in watersheds where the quality or quantity of

[1:55:21] Voice 3: the supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable that's what's

[1:55:27] Voice 3: currently written in the in the in the directive policy chair

[1:55:32] Voice 1: this is uh staff yeomans um i'm

[1:55:34] Voice 1: having a hard time raising my hand but trustee patrick are you asking for what the current

[1:55:39] Voice 1: like not not not what the new draft policy statement currently says but rather what

[1:55:43] Voice 1: the adopted policy statement that we are currently using says

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick: yes okay

[1:55:48] Voice 1: i can i have that in front of

[1:55:50] Voice 1: me and can read it, though I don't. I have it in paper as opposed to sharing it on the screen. So

[1:55:55] Voice 1: if you'll take the verbal version of it, is that acceptable? Yep.

[1:56:01] Voice 1: Okay. Currently, we have

[1:56:02] Voice 1: Directive Policy 4.4.2, which says that local trust committees and island municipalities shall,

[1:56:08] Voice 1: in their official community plans and regulatory bylaws, address measures that ensure,

[1:56:13] Voice 1: bullet point one, neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in areas

[1:56:19] Voice 1: which are known to have a problem with the quality or quantity of the supply of fresh water,

[1:56:24] Voice 1: bullet 2, water quality is maintained, and bullet 3, existing anticipated and seasonal demands for

[1:56:32] Voice 1: water are considered and allowed for. Yeah. I'm sure you remembered all of that.

[1:56:43] Voice 4: Thank you very

[1:56:44] Voice 4: much.

[1:56:49] Voice 3: Okay, so there we have the current, the draft, and the two recommendations. How would we

[1:56:58] Voice 3: like to proceed here trustee graham thank

[1:57:01] Voice 7: you chair so just just a question so the policy that

[1:57:05] Voice 7: we're now considering amending was that derived last term by and approved by trust council during

[1:57:15] Voice 7: the work of the revision of the policy statement is that where this this new interpretation of

[1:57:20] Voice 7: this particular by apostle policy came from correct

[1:57:24] Voice 3: okay

[1:57:25] Voice 7: so somewhere along that discussion

[1:57:29] Voice 7: the current the one that's exists in the 1986 policy statement was thought to be inadequate

[1:57:36] Voice 7: or too long I'm curious to know and I know where I'm I'm asking for some historical context here

[1:57:42] Voice 7: but I'm often curious as to why things are need to be changed so that's my question so is your

[1:57:58] Voice 3: question to staff here if

[1:58:05] Voice 15: I might go ahead I would suggest this conversation is best postponed until

[1:58:09] Voice 15: our senior freshwater policy advisor can join us and then we can be prepared to give you the

[1:58:14] Voice 15: background on the proposed change and give you like a really thorough conversation around it

[1:58:18] Voice 15: i wouldn't want to be providing you with those details here without him present so if with the

[1:58:23] Voice 15: permission of the chair i would suggest that this policy or perhaps this section be postponed until

[1:58:27] Voice 15: we can have that staff expert present to help guide the conversation and

[1:58:36] Voice 3: put if that's okay

[1:58:38] Voice 3: with the rest of the body we can put a pin in uh these these two items and move on to the next

[1:58:43] Voice 3: section okay and i'm just going to check in with uh staff rater again just raise your hand and give

[1:58:50] Voice 3: a shout out when you're ready to go back to the other item thank

[1:58:55] Voice 15: you i'll take a little bit i'm

[1:58:56] Voice 15: still crafting language and have yet to send it off to colleagues for comment no worries something

[1:59:01] Voice 15: I put something in the chat, Claire, take a look.

[1:59:05] Voice 3: Okay, thank you.

[1:59:08] Voice 3: Okay, so the next item is, okay, so we're going to,

[1:59:19] Voice 3: so there is also a motion that was brought forward

[1:59:24] Voice 3: for 355 and I think we can take a look at this one.

[1:59:33] Voice 3: This was also brought forward by Trustee Getty

[1:59:35] Voice 3: and I believe this is the only motion

[1:59:37] Voice 3: that was brought forward on this item.

[1:59:42] Voice 3: So what it currently reads is freshwater use, and it reads strive to ensure that freshwater use is not to the detriment of other waterways, such as fish and fish habitat uses, which is where

[2:00:00] Voice 3: I believe that this change is coming is to change this second one of the one of the words

[2:00:05] Voice 3: fish to amphibian so I'm going to ask if somebody would like to bring this forward because I think

[2:00:16] Voice 3: this is a very straightforward grammatical error trustee

[2:00:22] Voice 6: Yates just a quick question of semantics

[2:00:26] Voice 6: could we say um that freshwater use does not damage rather than say is not to the detriment

[2:00:39] Voice 6: um i

[2:00:43] Voice 6: would want to look into language at that point okay well i'm fine with it as it is it's

[2:00:51] Voice 6: just a little bit long it

[2:00:53] Voice 3: is but i think when you're saying that something's not to the detriment

[2:00:56] Voice 3: Yeah. It

[2:00:57] Voice 3: doesn't. Damage is part of detriment. Detriment, I think, actually is a broader scope.

[2:01:03] Voice 3: Yeah. Good point.

[2:01:09] Trustee Fast: So, Trustee Fast? Sure. I think this is just a simple adding the word

[2:01:14] Trustee Fast: prepare to move the motion. Thank you. Pretty much as written there, that acceptance that

[2:01:22] Trustee Fast: Trust Programs Committee request Trust Council to amend the draft trust policy statement item

[2:01:29] Trustee Fast: number 3.5.5 by moving the last phrase to the beginning and to replace one word one use of the

[2:01:37] Trustee Fast: word fish to amphibian such that it reads strive to ensure that water quality in lakes streams and

[2:01:42] Trustee Fast: wetlands is maintained and that freshwater use is not to the detriment of other uses of the waterway

[2:01:47] Trustee Fast: such as fish and amphibian habitat uses indigenous cultural and spiritual uses and aesthetic and

[2:01:52] Trustee Fast: recreational uses. Over.

[2:01:57] Voice 3: Perfect. Trustee Yates, do you have a comment? Oh, I

[2:02:04] Voice 3: have seconding.

[2:02:05] Voice 3: Okay, yeah, I normally like to see if there's any changes to the wording before going into

[2:02:09] Voice 3: seconding. Yeah.

[2:02:12] Voice 3: Not seeing any, it just helps to avoid getting into amendments. Yeah. Okay,

[2:02:18] Voice 3: not seeing anybody having any changes to those words, I will call for a seconder,

[2:02:24] Voice 3: which I believe Trustee Yates threw her hand up for. Thank you very much.

[2:02:28] Voice 3: any discussion on this not seeing any i will call the vote on this change all those in favor

[2:02:40] Voice 3: please raise your hand thank you very much please lower your hand any opposed not seeing any that

[2:02:52] Voice 3: carries thank you very much okay and the next item that we're going in oh so before i move

[2:03:04] Voice 3: yeah I'm gonna I'm not going to call any other items within the freshwater

[2:03:10] Voice 3: area just because we're going to be looking for staff expertise on this call so instead I'm going

[2:03:17] Voice 3: to move into forest lands if that's okay with everyone seeing nods okay so with regards to

[2:03:26] Voice 3: forest lands again going into issues and goals general issues with regain with regards to forest

[2:03:34] Voice 3: Forest lands is we do have forestry areas on our islands.

[2:03:40] Voice 3: We have contiguous forest areas on our islands.

[2:03:43] Voice 3: These are very important to us, both for historical uses and the aesthetics and general health of our islands.

[2:03:58] Voice 3: as a general comment with regards to managed forest areas knowing a couple of

[2:04:08] Voice 3: managed forest area owners they do a lot of health maintenance on these areas so that's

[2:04:14] Voice 3: i'm i find this very good um and we do have a lot of education surrounding how to maintain

[2:04:26] Voice 3: the health and well-being of our trees and our properties as well goal islands trust here is to

[2:04:34] Voice 3: make sure that the islands are retained and maintained in as close to a natural major part

[2:04:44] Voice 3: of that are the forested areas on our islands so let's have a look and see if we have anything that

[2:04:53] Voice 3: came in here i don't have any recommendations that came in does anyone have anything that they

[2:05:01] Voice 3: would like to bring forward on any of these three items or are we happy with the wording

[2:05:06] Voice 3: the way that it's done and do we feel that this addresses our issues and goals effectively. I'm

[2:05:19] Voice 3: not seeing anyone raising anything here in this section and I'm going to say if we don't see

[2:05:28] Voice 3: anything today we will have a second pass through this. It'll be a faster pass so if something comes

[2:05:34] Voice 3: up in the future there will be another time and another meeting to bring it forward. Seeing no

[2:05:41] Voice 3: No one with anything to say.

[2:05:42] Voice 3: Let's move on to the directive policies with the agricultural lands.

[2:05:51] Voice 3: Again, with agricultural lands, this is an important part of the settlers' history on the islands.

[2:06:04] Voice 3: Being able to farm is important for the communities that exist on these islands to have a local source of food.

[2:06:13] Voice 3: There are a number of protections and regulations in effect through the ALR and ALC currently.

[2:06:22] Voice 3: Issues with regards to agricultural lands is to make sure that they remain active agricultural lands.

[2:06:28] Voice 3: We want to be able to encourage that for our islands.

[2:06:36] Voice 3: And it's the economic viability of these areas that is important as well.

[2:06:40] Voice 3: we also want to make sure that even though these are agricultural lands that they still are are

[2:06:48] Voice 3: done in a thoughtful manner with regards to the general ecology on the islands i'm going to just

[2:06:58] Voice 3: have a quick peek and see i have one item that was brought forward and this is for 359 which is

[2:07:09] Voice 3: currently on your screen so i'll let you read that and this was brought forward by trustee getty as

[2:07:14] Voice 3: well. And she is recommending, so I'm going to read out her recommendation while you read it on

[2:07:20] Voice 3: the screen so we can see the difference. She's recommending that it be changed to read, identify

[2:07:26] Voice 3: and protect land suitable for current and future agricultural use, consistent with ALC Act and its

[2:07:36] Voice 3: regulations for agricultural land within the ALR, while considering downstream impacts, wildlife

[2:07:44] Voice 3: wildlife habitat, and adjacent properties.

[2:07:50] Voice 3: So it is slightly different to what is written here.

[2:07:56] Voice 3: And I'm going to ask if there is anyone that has any comments.

[2:08:01] Voice 3: Trustee Graham?

[2:08:03] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair.

[2:08:04] Voice 7: Coming from an island which has almost half of its land in the agricultural land reserve,

[2:08:12] Voice 7: the idea of potential farmland, well, a potential farmland is actually a forest.

[2:08:16] Voice 7: forest. And if you take all the trees and all the stumps and you plow the land, then

[2:08:21] Voice 7: it becomes agricultural land. So you've got to be really careful. I mean, our primary

[2:08:26] Voice 7: directive is to maintain, protect and preserve the natural environment. There's nothing natural

[2:08:30] Voice 7: about a farm, unfortunately. It's a highly, what's the right word? My brain, I'm on about

[2:08:39] Voice 7: 60% here with this cold and I apologize. It's been affected, it's been changed by agricultural

[2:08:45] Voice 7: cultural practices. And it's not particularly natural. And in fact, we have farmland on Demen

[2:08:50] Voice 7: that has not been farmed for 20 or 30 years and is now coming back as a forest. And so I'm worried

[2:08:58] Voice 7: about, you know, yes, we need food. Yes, we need to have farmland. But we need to be careful that

[2:09:08] Voice 7: we don't have so much farmland that we've lost the natural environment. Anyway, that's perhaps

[2:09:12] Voice 7: just rambling but i'm concerned about that particular line of trustee gettys and

[2:09:18] Voice 3: uh i i

[2:09:19] Voice 3: i am personally in agreeance with your interpretation there uh trustee yates yes

[2:09:29] Voice 6: i i agree

[2:09:30] Voice 6: with um trustee graham's comments as well um my other thought is if we're worried about

[2:09:39] Voice 6: downstream impacts for whatever, wildlife, drinking water. We would also want to be thinking about

[2:09:47] Voice 6: farm property or farmland that may not be within the ALR.

[2:10:01] Voice 3: Yes, I see your point. Trustee Patrick?

[2:10:06] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I had, there's actually another recommendation for the section that I put forward

[2:10:10] Trustee Patrick: And exactly that point, Trustee Yates, we have a fair bit of farmland on Salt Spring that isn't in the ALR.

[2:10:20] Trustee Patrick: So it's the protection of farming is a different thing.

[2:10:24] Trustee Patrick: Overall, the ALR doesn't really fit most of our islands.

[2:10:28] Trustee Patrick: I think that's a challenge is that, you know, it was based on soil.

[2:10:31] Trustee Patrick: So you have these little squiggles of very small areas that have soils that are capable of meeting the test of when ALC was, or the ALR's land was designated.

[2:10:44] Trustee Patrick: And a secondary problem to that is our property is rectangular.

[2:10:49] Trustee Patrick: You know, out in Chilliwack, there is large rectangular farms that are, you know, ALR from corner to corner.

[2:10:55] Trustee Patrick: We don't have that.

[2:10:57] Trustee Patrick: So we have rectangular farm properties that are split zoned. So they'll have a piece that's ALR, they'll have a piece that's forest, they'll have a piece that's rural upland. And what happens is they get sold. And the first thing they do is they subdivide based on those boundaries of the split zoning.

[2:11:16] Trustee Patrick: zoning when the reality is a farm in our islands needs you know we need that whole part of you know

[2:11:23] Trustee Patrick: they're they are a rectangular property so i i my question i had put forward is i think there

[2:11:28] Trustee Patrick: needs to be some more work done to look at our policies in terms of you know farming in our

[2:11:34] Trustee Patrick: islands and you know not all farming is done um on alr land and how how do we make sure how do

[2:11:40] Trustee Patrick: we have the policies to protect um those farms into the future yeah

[2:11:48] Voice 3: so i was going to put my

[2:11:51] Voice 3: hand up but there's nobody else speaking right now i am more in favor of keeping 359 as is

[2:11:59] Voice 3: currently written just because it is um the way that um trustee getty was recommending it it could

[2:12:07] Voice 3: be open to creating new alr land which i'm not in favor of because it is quite destructive and to

[2:12:14] Voice 3: trustee patrick's uh request of staff to provide analysis i think that that is um a good idea and

[2:12:24] Voice 3: that can be brought forward to a future meeting as well um it's always good to have additional

[2:12:29] Voice 3: information when we're looking at this so i'm going to ask trustee patrick if that is something

[2:12:34] Voice 3: that she would still like to request well i think so and i think trustee yates just picked up the

[2:12:42] Voice 3: pick that up so if one of you would like to make that uh motion i can't

[2:12:49] Voice 3: so then it's it's that's what i'm saying somebody asked trustee peterson i'll

[2:12:56] Voice 9: do it i move that

[2:12:58] Voice 9: trust programs committee uh request executive committee to request staff to provide analysis

[2:13:05] Voice 9: of protecting agricultural land

[2:13:07] Voice 9: that is not in the ALR

[2:13:09] Voice 9: to draft policy statement

[2:13:10] Voice 9: section directive policies,

[2:13:12] Voice 9: agricultural land.

[2:13:14] Voice 3: And I'm just going to say

[2:13:16] Voice 3: once it gets on screen,

[2:13:17] Voice 3: we don't have to go

[2:13:19] Voice 3: through the executive committee.

[2:13:21] Voice 3: Oh, yes, we do.

[2:13:22] Voice 3: We still do.

[2:13:23] Voice 3: I beg your pardon.

[2:13:24] Voice 3: I am wrong.

[2:13:25] Voice 3: Never mind.

[2:13:26] Voice 3: You did it right.

[2:13:28] Voice 3: And we'll wait for that

[2:13:29] Voice 3: to come on the screen

[2:13:30] Voice 3: whenever

[2:13:33] Voice 3: Trustee Yeomans gets a second

[2:13:34] Voice 3: to get there.

[2:13:35] Voice 3: I know this is.

[2:13:37] Voice 10: work chair Evans could you I'm not sure what that motion was

[2:13:43] Voice 10: all

[2:13:43] Voice 3: right

[2:13:48] Voice 10: I'm just trying to find that and I'll put it up on the screen it's

[2:13:53] Voice 3: this it's it's the

[2:13:54] Voice 3: second to last um yes

[2:13:56] Voice 10: what I mean is trying to find the uh digital copy so I can copy it

[2:14:01] Voice 10: it'll

[2:14:02] Voice 3: be up there

[2:14:02] Voice 10: momentarily we're

[2:14:04] Voice 3: happy to chat and then once i'm going to i'm going to say once

[2:14:07] Voice 3: we get uh through this we're going to be getting close to a break time all right uh before i ask

[2:14:51] Voice 3: for a seconder is there any uh wording changes that anyone feels is necessary not seeing anyone

[2:15:05] Voice 3: with their hand up and again if you if you can't use your digital hand just yell out

[2:15:11] Voice 3: Therefore, I'm going to ask for a seconder.

[2:15:15] Voice 3: Trustee Yates, thank you very much.

[2:15:17] Voice 3: Any discussion on this request?

[2:15:22] Voice 3: Not hearing any.

[2:15:24] Voice 3: Sue Ellen here.

[2:15:25] Trustee Fast: There we go.

[2:15:26] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fass, go ahead.

[2:15:27] Trustee Fast: Just that I'm in favor of this.

[2:15:29] Trustee Fast: My concern is on Bowen as well.

[2:15:33] Trustee Fast: We have a lot of small pocket farms, or maybe they used to be farms and they're not well

[2:15:41] Trustee Fast: well protected and they're not in the agricultural land reserve and this would help so i'm in favor

[2:15:46] Trustee Fast: thank you perfect thank you any further discussion

[2:15:51] Voice 3: not seeing any i'm going to call the vote on this

[2:15:58] Voice 3: on this recommendation or request uh all those in favor please put up your hand thank you please

[2:16:06] Voice 3: lower your hand any

[2:16:12] Voice 4: opposed not

[2:16:16] Voice 3: seeing any that's carried thank you very much okay so we have

[2:16:23] Voice 3: have about 10 more minutes before the break. I'm going to ask, is there anything else on the

[2:16:30] Voice 3: agricultural lands section, either the directive policy or the advisory policy portions that you

[2:16:36] Voice 3: would like to bring forward for discussion today? Trustee Gavira, go ahead.

[2:16:41] Voice 16: Hi, I've been giving

[2:16:43] Voice 16: this a lot of thought lately. And it's, it's quite an intricate and complex thing. But I was

[2:16:48] Voice 16: thinking about indigenous food sovereignty. And are there policies that we can put in place

[2:16:54] Voice 16: to help support that in our communities i wouldn't know exactly how to draft those policies or

[2:17:01] Voice 16: whether it would fit in this section even if we're talking about ar l lands but um just for

[2:17:08] Voice 16: discussion is uh are there any any suggestions from trustees that's

[2:17:16] Voice 3: a very good question i'm

[2:17:19] Voice 3: not sure how that would tie into agricultural lands myself i'm not sure if staff have any

[2:17:28] Voice 3: input on that question or if that's a question that you would maybe like to pose to staff to

[2:17:34] Voice 3: look into i'll keep

[2:17:38] Trustee Fast: on it please um trusty fast it it seems to me chair that we um we did pass

[2:17:47] Trustee Fast: a bunch of here's maybe I didn't hear the question exactly but back in January 8th

[2:17:58] Trustee Fast: we passed a number of motions or recommendations and one of them is marine indigenous marine

[2:18:07] Trustee Fast: harvesting areas indigenous harvesting and hunting areas and adding a new one anyway we

[2:18:17] Trustee Fast: We passed these, so if you look at the minutes from January the 8th, you may find some that overlap.

[2:18:25] Trustee Fast: I'm not sure if they catch it all, but just for your reference.

[2:18:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:18:30] Voice 3: So, yes, again, I do recommend if you have something that's on your mind that is of importance, please feel free to work with staff as well.

[2:18:42] Voice 3: And if you come up with something, we will have a future opportunity as well.

[2:18:46] Voice 3: if you don't have something prepared for today is a very good point and I think it's definitely

[2:18:52] Voice 3: worth exploring so if you if you don't have anything concrete today please bring it back

[2:19:00] Voice 3: again if you have anything else that you'd like to say on the matter please do so today

[2:19:05] Voice 3: trustee Peterson yeah more of a comment than

[2:19:10] Voice 9: anything else we do have those sections I

[2:19:13] Voice 9: I referenced one of them earlier about indigenous harvesting and hunting areas, marine areas, cultural sites.

[2:19:25] Voice 9: I think when we're talking about the agricultural section and we talk about indigenous food sovereignty

[2:19:34] Voice 9: and we look a little bit of the type of agriculture that indigenous peoples on the coast here,

[2:19:44] Voice 9: traditionally did it looks a bit different than our western colonial style um uh the sort of um

[2:19:53] Voice 9: the uh forest food farming looks a lot different than um than a field with a tractor in it um

[2:20:05] Voice 9: and things like the cultural practices around um uh camas gardening for example

[2:20:14] Voice 9: So those things can look a little bit different than sort of what we call agriculture in a sort of broad colonial Western sense.

[2:20:25] Voice 9: So I really like the idea of pursuing Trustee Gavreau's idea here.

[2:20:33] Voice 9: I'm not super clear on how to action it.

[2:20:47] Voice 9: I think it'd be really cool if we identified, for example,

[2:20:53] Voice 9: those types of culturally, you know, the type of gardening

[2:21:00] Voice 9: that isn't necessarily obvious to the eye

[2:21:05] Voice 9: and and and work towards protecting some of that um again not really clear on on a path

[2:21:13] Voice 9: there but i certainly support um some exploration on on how we sort of i think how we think about

[2:21:21] Voice 9: it and and what is um potentially actually actionable within the context of the policy

[2:21:26] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:21:30] Voice 3: I've got my hand on the list. So I'm going to make a suggestion that we perhaps look at creating a new advisory policy that says something along the lines of indigenous agricultural practices.

[2:21:55] Voice 3: practices and then underneath that we can say something along the lines of to encourage

[2:22:01] Voice 3: alternative agricultural practices that encompasses the indigenous ways of knowing or

[2:22:12] Voice 3: indigenous um uh what's the word i'm looking for here i drew a blank i had it now i've lost it

[2:22:22] Voice 3: But yeah, I would like the committee to help me draft this recommendation, if I can indulge

[2:22:30] Voice 3: everybody.

[2:22:31] Voice 1: Chair

[2:22:31] Voice 3: Evans, yeah,

[2:22:33] Voice 1: sorry, I'm having hand-raising challenges.

[2:22:36] Voice 1: I think this would be an opportune subject to request some staff assistance, particularly

[2:22:42] Voice 1: because it might be valuable to hear the perspective of our senior Indigenous advisor on this.

[2:22:48] Voice 1: I'm not suggesting he wants to speak on the floor right now necessarily, but perhaps you request staff to return with an advocacy policy that addresses the issues that that have been raised today.

[2:23:03] Voice 3: Perfect. An advisory policy, not an advocacy policy.

[2:23:06] Voice 1: Oh, sorry. Yes, an advisory policy.

[2:23:07] Voice 1: So

[2:23:08] Voice 3: I just sort of wanted to get like a little crafting done and then turn it over to staff to finish.

[2:23:14] Voice 3: But to get the general intent, I don't want I would I would really like this to come back.

[2:23:20] Voice 3: And I'm happy if DeGavereau wishes to take the lead on it.

[2:23:23] Voice 3: But this is sort of where I could see something perhaps being developed.

[2:23:28] Voice 3: Thank you. Trustee Fast.

[2:23:31] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. I'm thinking that the motion we just passed, that 3.5.13, what if we made a motion something like that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to request staff to provide analysis of food forest gardening and indigenous farming practices, something like that?

[2:24:05] Trustee Fast: It's just if you look at the text of 3.5.13 that we just passed, it's how to ask staff.

[2:24:12] Trustee Fast: I'm just not quite sure of the words about culturally.

[2:24:20] Trustee Fast: Anyway, so if you use the beginnings of 3.5.13 and add the better words that you mean at the end is my suggestion.

[2:24:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:24:29] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:24:30] Voice 6: Trustee Yates.

[2:24:32] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:24:33] Voice 6: The words that come to mind for me are not necessarily agriculture, but they would be food cultivation and foraging, perhaps.

[2:24:42] Voice 6: And so I think that the advice that we could get from our senior Indigenous advisor would be very helpful in drafting a new policy on this.

[2:24:53] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:24:54] Voice 3: So we're getting a lot of really good suggestions.

[2:24:55] Voice 3: I'm going to ask Staff Yeomans if he can put up the beginnings of a request, and then we can work on crafting the request to staff.

[2:25:10] Voice 3: Perfect.

[2:25:11] Voice 3: I'm going to go to Trustee Peterson now.

[2:25:14] Voice 3: Thank

[2:25:17] Voice 9: you, and thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[2:25:21] Voice 9: I was going to circle back around to the language around Indigenous food sovereignty and food security.

[2:25:27] Voice 9: And what occurred to me in our discussion is that, and this is important, but we also, in terms of food security in a more general sense, we don't really have policy here.

[2:25:51] Voice 9: We do talk about agricultural lands and protection, but we don't identify in this agricultural section, we don't explicitly identify food security in that general sense.

[2:26:08] Voice 9: And I wonder if that's something we may want to do in this section, as well as requesting staff to help us think about how we might support the Indigenous food sovereignty and security part of it.

[2:26:26] Voice 9: So I just wanted to identify, I think there's room for a couple pieces of work here, potentially.

[2:26:34] Voice 9: And the advice would probably be interrelated, but anyway, just my thoughts.

[2:26:39] Voice 9: Thank

[2:26:41] Voice 3: you. Okay, I'm going to start off with some language in here and then ask people to keep chiming in.

[2:26:48] Voice 3: That Trust Programs Committee requests staff to provide analysis for a new advisory policy under the agricultural lands section that captures the following items.

[2:27:08] Voice 3: items? Yes. A, you mentioned food security. And then in the chat, there was the, and I can't see

[2:27:24] Voice 3: it right now. Somebody can read out the language that was in the chat, please.

[2:27:30] Trustee Fast: Indigenous food

[2:27:31] Trustee Fast: sovereignty and food security.

[2:27:44] Voice 3: Perfect. So then delete the first bullet, please.

[2:27:50] Voice 3: because that's addressed there perfect um what are some of the other items that and i'm just

[2:27:57] Voice 3: going to say this will be a free-for-all don't put your hands up at this point

[2:28:01] Voice 3: um let's uh let's just work together what are some other items to go in here so

[2:28:08] Voice 9: i i just wanted to

[2:28:10] Voice 9: um chair uh you just asked for food security to be taken off as a separate bullet but my

[2:28:16] Voice 9: My suggestion was that we have it as a separate bullet so that we're addressing it in a general sense across the Islands Trust,

[2:28:26] Voice 9: but we are also identifying the Indigenous food sovereignty and food security as a piece that we also want to address.

[2:28:34] Voice 9: But I think we want to address food security in a broader sense and in the specific sense.

[2:28:41] Voice 9: So I would advocate for putting it back there.

[2:28:45] Voice 9: The Indigenous Food Sovereignty line, if we wanted to edit it, maybe you could say Indigenous Food Sovereignty including food security or something like that.

[2:28:59] Voice 9: I feel like we need some repetition because I think it should be in both realms.

[2:29:08] Voice 3: Okay, so we could say general food security.

[2:29:10] Voice 3: general food security uh general island food security or general island community food security

[2:29:21] Voice 3: and this this this is this is just meant to be um a shopping list for um staff to take a look at to

[2:29:30] Voice 3: draft something to bring back to us uh what was some there were some other items that were mentioned

[2:29:36] Voice 3: in here too um where we're looking we're looking at um encouraging uh okay go ahead

[2:29:48] Voice 3: like i said don't put your hand up just just speak oh

[2:29:52] Trustee Fast: if i can just say i think um

[2:29:56] Trustee Fast: indigenous food sovereignty and food security i'm not

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast: sure that that captures the uh food cultivation such as forest food forest i just i don't know

[2:30:12] Trustee Fast: the right words but i am and it doesn't cover the practices it doesn't cover the the what it

[2:30:19] Trustee Fast: what it looks like i think for us uh speaking as a settler um it's it's it's hard to see a food

[2:30:27] Trustee Fast: forest even when you're looking right at it and so maybe the another bullet could

[2:30:36] Trustee Fast: be food forest or cultivating a food forest I don't know something like that

[2:30:48] Trustee Fast: it's different I don't have the best words and I'm looking forward to hearing

[2:30:52] Trustee Fast: them but it's it's more about the practice and what's needed so that we

[2:30:57] Trustee Fast: don't get in the way of that. And Trustee Gavreau, you had a thought too?

[2:31:03] Voice 16: Yeah, I think what really

[2:31:04] Voice 16: gets me jazzed around creating a policy like this is that it's the opportunity to encourage

[2:31:08] Voice 16: Indigenous-led agricultural practices. That's

[2:31:13] Voice 3: what I was trying to get to. Thank you so much.

[2:31:15] Voice 3: Okay, thank you. I got the first word out and I knew where I was going in my brain. Yes,

[2:31:20] Voice 16: you totally did. What

[2:31:21] Voice 16: a great conversation. But it's Indigenous-led, but it doesn't

[2:31:28] Voice 16: uh doesn't deem it or restrict it just to indigenous this is the opportunity for the

[2:31:33] Voice 16: community to come together

[2:31:34] Voice 16: and work side by side with indigenous to create these projects

[2:31:37] Voice 16: it's fantastic so encouraging

[2:31:39] Voice 3: indigenous led food cultivation practices

[2:31:46] Voice 3: led as in agricultural

[2:31:47] Voice 16: yeah it'd be agricultural because they're being medicinal as well right and

[2:31:52] Voice 16: food food practice food food food indigenous-led agricultural initiatives

[2:32:00] Voice 3: sure encouraging

[2:32:03] Voice 3: indigenous-led cultivation and food practices cultivation

[2:32:08] Voice 16: or agricultural initiatives which

[2:32:10] Voice 16: i guess is the heading that we're under tie it back to agriculture indigenous

[2:32:17] Voice 3: -led agricultural

[2:32:18] Voice 3: cultural initiatives initiatives nice and broad very nice and broad yeah

[2:32:25] Voice 5: but

[2:32:26] Voice 3: hopefully not too

[2:32:27] Voice 3: broad as to um and i am going to ask staff if this is going to be too broad for them or if

[2:32:35] Voice 3: they understand the intent here is there anything else that we would like to um i i think yeah so

[2:32:47] Voice 3: So part of part of my thinking when I was on this was I want to I want to I want to encourage settlers to take up and learn different ways of agriculture.

[2:33:08] Voice 3: So I think that's that's that's captured there.

[2:33:12] Voice 3: Yes,

[2:33:13] Trustee Fast: I would like to have the opportunity to plant some of those nine thousand year old hazelnut bushes.

[2:33:19] Trustee Fast: which is that kind of thing.

[2:33:21] Trustee Fast: Anyway, yeah, I'll wipe down now.

[2:33:27] Voice 3: Okay, I'm going to just quickly check in with staff

[2:33:30] Voice 3: and make sure that this is not too broad,

[2:33:34] Voice 3: that they understand the,

[2:33:35] Voice 3: that I'm just going to ask that staff understand

[2:33:37] Voice 3: the bounds of what we're asking here.

[2:33:39] Voice 3: Staff Yeomans?

[2:33:41] Voice 1: Sure, thank you, Chair.

[2:33:43] Voice 1: Realistically, because this is an advisory policy,

[2:33:46] Voice 1: we are not going to provide you

[2:33:48] Voice 1: with deep analysis because there are no regulatory impacts to what you're proposing. This is more a

[2:33:56] Voice 1: demonstration that this is an issue that this is something that is important to trust council

[2:34:00] Voice 1: and that you can use, you know, when a local community group, for example, wants to embark

[2:34:07] Voice 1: on some sort of project that advances one of these priorities, it gives you the ability perhaps

[2:34:13] Voice 1: to write a letter of support when they make their grant application or something like that. So if

[2:34:17] Voice 1: If anything, what we're likely to return to you with is less of an analysis and more just

[2:34:21] Voice 1: a advisory policy that is worded for optimum impact.

[2:34:27] Voice 3: Therefore, based on that, can we change the language to say that Trust Programs Committee

[2:34:31] Voice 3: requests staff to create a new advisory policy or craft a new advisory policy?

[2:34:49] Voice 3: Can you put the word to, so that Trust Programs Committee requests staff to craft, okay.

[2:34:57] Voice 3: Okay. I think that addresses your comment. Awesome. And I really appreciate Trustee Gavro bringing this up. This is amazing. Do we have any other conversation on this element? Trustee Fast?

[2:35:15] Trustee Fast: I was just wondering what a directive policy in this area would look like, but I don't think that's now is not the time for that. Well, but that'll be an interesting discussion to have later. So thank you.

[2:35:27] Trustee Fast: you have some ideas around that

[2:35:30] Voice 3: and again please bring them forward what would they think go ahead

[2:35:38] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee past oh i was just saying what what would directive policies in this kind of

[2:35:46] Trustee Fast: area be like should we make sure there are suitable lands uh that don't get um houses built

[2:35:55] Trustee Fast: on them or what if you've got ideas i'd like to hear them yeah

[2:36:02] Voice 16: i mean most of the ideas i come

[2:36:04] Voice 16: from uh that i have come back from about feedback so i think uh the sooner we get this out the door

[2:36:09] Voice 16: and get it to back and get and get the referrals happening again and get the information back then

[2:36:14] Voice 16: we can build towards those layers i think if we came in right now saying well we restrict this

[2:36:19] Voice 16: restrict that i think people wouldn't it wouldn't land right with people but i think these are good

[2:36:23] Voice 16: policies to put out there yeah

[2:36:26] Voice 3: and sometimes like we've also said all the way through this

[2:36:30] Voice 3: this is meant to be a living document and getting first steps in getting soft approaches in helps

[2:36:37] Voice 3: ease towards an end goal all right um if there is no further discussion i'm going to call the vote

[2:36:47] Voice 3: on this item i've got okay go ahead

[2:36:50] Trustee Fast: who's moving it is this lisa um

[2:36:54] Voice 3: we don't have a

[2:36:54] Voice 3: mover or seconder yet. You are correct. We were just so busy crafting this. May I have somebody

[2:37:00] Voice 3: move it? I'll move it.

[2:37:03] Voice 16: I move that Trust Programs Committee request staff to craft a new advisory

[2:37:08] Voice 16: policy under the agricultural land section that captures the following items. Indigenous food

[2:37:14] Voice 16: sovereignty and food security, general island community food sovereignty, food security, sorry,

[2:37:20] Voice 16: sorry, cultivated food forest practices

[2:37:22] Voice 16: and encourage Indigenous-led agricultural initiatives.

[2:37:27] Voice 16: Perfect.

[2:37:28] Voice 3: Is there any changes to this wording that anyone has?

[2:37:32] Voice 3: Trustee Peterson?

[2:37:36] Voice 9: Chair, I just noted that our staff member, Joe Elliott,

[2:37:43] Voice 9: came up on the screen and I wondered if he had any thoughts

[2:37:47] Voice 9: that he wanted to share on this,

[2:37:49] Voice 9: and if not, that's okay too,

[2:37:50] Voice 9: too, but sometimes when the picture pops up, I think

[2:37:54] Voice 9: there might be thoughts going on.

[2:37:57] Voice 3: Absolutely. And again, because I'm

[2:37:58] Voice 3: not always able to see, so I appreciate you bringing that forward.

[2:38:02] Voice 3: I'm going to turn over to Staff Elliot. Do you have any

[2:38:07] Voice 3: comments here?

[2:38:12] Voice 2: Can you hear me?

[2:38:13] Voice 4: Yes, we

[2:38:14] Voice 4: can. Thank you.

[2:38:15] Voice 2: Okay, that's good. I can hear you guys, but

[2:38:17] Voice 2: I don't have my... Yeah, definitely just really supporting

[2:38:21] Voice 2: and the conversation, really excited about the conversation,

[2:38:23] Voice 2: how it fits with some of the agricultural land

[2:38:26] Voice 2: that's not under the ALR at this time.

[2:38:28] Voice 2: I think as we look forward and we look into the future,

[2:38:31] Voice 2: the ecological knowledge and the knowledge

[2:38:34] Voice 2: that Indigenous people and how that can play

[2:38:37] Voice 2: and direct some of the land planning.

[2:38:39] Voice 2: But I don't know if it's too early for that

[2:38:41] Voice 2: because learning can definitely direct

[2:38:43] Voice 2: some of the land plan in regards to the tributaries

[2:38:46] Voice 2: and the water flows and how the current ALR practices,

[2:38:52] Voice 2: farming practice has impedes on some of those situations.

[2:38:56] Voice 2: And then we're trying to correct it 20 years down the road from now.

[2:39:00] Voice 2: So it's really exciting just to look at it in the beginning process.

[2:39:03] Voice 2: I don't know if we need to include that in regards to how Indigenous knowledge

[2:39:08] Voice 2: and ecological knowledge could be supportive into land planning as we move forward.

[2:39:14] Voice 2: but i just i just appreciate the conversation thank you thank

[2:39:19] Voice 3: you very much yeah i'm hoping

[2:39:21] Voice 3: that we'll be able to get a little bit more in here um especially once we see an initial

[2:39:27] Voice 3: uh draft of of the first advisory specifically in this area and um like i said when we come

[2:39:34] Voice 3: back through this again if there are additional changes in this area that have been identified

[2:39:41] Voice 3: identified as as uh good changes then i definitely look forward to seeing those

[2:39:46] Voice 3: time any further discussion item not seeing oh go ahead trustee fast oh who seconded this

[2:40:00] Voice 3: oh my goodness me um yes because i asked for i we need a break uh trustee elliot are you seconding

[2:40:08] Voice 3: yes please perfect again last call any further discussion on this item let's go to the vote

[2:40:17] Voice 3: all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand and any opposed

[2:40:31] Voice 3: seeing none that carries thank you so much trustee gavro for bringing this up and on that i think

[2:40:38] Voice 3: it's time for a break i'm going to ask just because we are working nicely through all of

[2:40:44] Voice 3: this i do believe um i'm going to ask that we take a does a 20 minute break work for everyone

[2:40:52] Voice 3: or would you like a half an hour because we are we do have some people leaving at one o'clock

[2:40:56] Voice 3: and i would like to get through a bit more of this so you tell me if 20 minutes is too short

[2:41:01] Voice 3: or if you need a little longer i think it's too short i think we need

[2:41:04] Voice 16: 30 minutes especially for

[2:41:06] Voice 16: staff i

[2:41:13] Trustee Fast: agree we can't hear you chair but 30 minutes would be my vote as well and i believe

[2:41:17] Trustee Fast: staff that as well brilliant

[2:41:20] Voice 3: in that case we'll wait for 30 minutes and we will come back at

[2:41:29] Voice 3: At 12.12, thereabouts.

[2:41:35] Voice 3: Let's just say 12.15.

[2:41:36] Voice 3: I think that's the easiest.

[2:41:37] Voice 3: Very good.

[2:41:39] Voice 3: All right.

[2:41:40] Voice 3: Have a great break, and we'll see you in a half an hour.

[3:14:12] Voice 5: Okay, it looks

[3:14:14] Voice 3: like we're time to be back.

[3:14:17] Voice 3: I'm just waiting for everyone else to get here.

[3:14:24] Voice 3: Right on the money, everyone's coming back.

[3:14:32] Voice 3: I can just ask that everyone turn on their cameras for a second

[3:14:36] Voice 3: so I can see that you're here.

[3:14:51] Voice 3: Okay, so we have Coram back.

[3:14:54] Voice 3: I know that we're still missing a few staff members here,

[3:14:57] Voice 3: but there we go.

[3:15:05] Voice 3: Okay, and I am going to go back and ask,

[3:15:11] Voice 3: now that we're back in are we are we recording we're still recording right perfect thank you

[3:15:18] Voice 3: um is there anything further in the agricultural land sections that anyone would like to bring

[3:15:24] Voice 3: forward okay not seeing anything i'm going to now if it's okay with everybody i'm going to

[3:15:37] Voice 3: change the topic um to the next item on the agenda which is our meetings and then we can

[3:15:44] Voice 3: go back to i want to make sure we've got enough time uh primarily because staff have to leave

[3:15:49] Voice 3: they've got a hard stop at one o'clock so we've got 45 minutes left i want to have a discussion

[3:15:54] Voice 3: regarding next meetings um as a whole so we had an rwm to have this meeting today staff have also

[3:16:03] Voice 3: identified another possible meeting next week on april 8th again from nine to one two o'clock ish

[3:16:12] Voice 3: would everybody be okay for adding that date into this agenda mix trustee graham

[3:16:21] Voice 3: um

[3:16:22] Voice 7: just and perhaps it's only my problem but i i find nine o'clock too early um to start i'm much

[3:16:29] Voice 7: more comfortable at 10 all the other uh trust council committee meetings start generally 10

[3:16:35] Voice 7: or 10 30 and i nine o'clock is it's a tight one for me and

[3:16:40] Voice 3: i do appreciate that that was based on

[3:16:42] Voice 3: on a number of people that have afternoon meetings and work.

[3:16:47] Voice 3: So in order to be able to have more than two hours allotted

[3:16:50] Voice 3: to this meeting, that's why we started it a little early.

[3:16:53] Voice 3: And I do appreciate this as unusual.

[3:16:55] Voice 3: And most of our meetings do start at 10.

[3:16:58] Voice 3: Would you be open to one more meeting

[3:17:00] Voice 3: starting at nine o'clock, Trustee Graham?

[3:17:07] Voice 7: Yes, certainly, if I'm the only one

[3:17:10] Voice 7: that has trouble with it,

[3:17:11] Voice 7: but I will do my best to make my morning routine faster

[3:17:14] Voice 7: and I will get here as soon as I can.

[3:17:17] Voice 3: I appreciate that.

[3:17:19] Voice 3: Trustee Elliott?

[3:17:22] Voice 11: Yeah, Wednesdays at 9 a.m.

[3:17:24] Voice 11: Executive Committee typically has their round table.

[3:17:29] Voice 11: So yeah, starting at 10 would be helpful, thanks.

[3:17:33] Voice 11: This will be on a Tuesday, Tuesday the 8th.

[3:17:37] Voice 3: Oh, great.

[3:17:39] Voice 3: Does that work?

[3:17:42] Voice 3: Yep.

[3:17:43] Voice 6: Perfect.

[3:17:44] Voice 6: Perfect. Trustee Yates?

[3:17:46] Voice 6: I am sorry, but on Tuesday the 8th, I'm going to be in transit during the morning.

[3:17:53] Voice 6: Sounds good.

[3:17:55] Voice 3: Trustee Peterson?

[3:17:58] Voice 9: Yeah, Tuesday the 8th is the Galliano LTC. I'm also going to be in transit.

[3:18:04] Voice 9: It would be real difficult for me to stay in Lane.

[3:18:10] Voice 9: And the LTC meeting would start before the finish of the committee meeting.

[3:18:16] Voice 3: So, very

[3:18:17] Voice 9: problematic.

[3:18:19] Voice 3: Sounds good.

[3:18:20] Voice 3: Trustee Faust,

[3:18:23] Trustee Fast: you're muted.

[3:18:26] Trustee Fast: Thanks.

[3:18:27] Trustee Fast: I can't do the eighth.

[3:18:28] Trustee Fast: I've got a paddle carving with the Squamish Nation here on Bowen, which is kind of a,

[3:18:34] Trustee Fast: and this is the first of three of these workshops, and I can't miss it.

[3:18:40] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:18:40] Voice 3: Sounds good.

[3:18:41] Voice 3: Okay, so it sounds like the eighth isn't working for most of us.

[3:18:45] Voice 3: Staff Rater?

[3:18:47] Voice 3: I wanted

[3:18:47] Voice 15: to check with the group.

[3:18:48] Voice 15: the calendar is very full for april i wondered if evenings were of interest to this group um if

[3:18:54] Voice 15: you'd like to put in an extra meeting i think we might be looking at an evening um and we could put

[3:18:59] Voice 15: out a poll but before we consider doing that i wanted to see if that was something that was of

[3:19:04] Voice 15: interest um to have an evening meeting sounds

[3:19:07] Voice 3: good i would like to get one more meeting in

[3:19:10] Voice 3: um because like april 16th meeting is a regular business meeting so the agenda is going to be

[3:19:16] Voice 3: quite full of regular business items. I would like to have one more session like this. So yes,

[3:19:24] Voice 3: I think a poll would be great. If we could find one more meeting day within the month of April,

[3:19:30] Voice 3: that would be fabulous. And, you know, if we can have a another four hour session, I think we

[3:19:37] Voice 3: should be able to get through the majority of the remaining items in here. Trustee Peterson.

[3:19:42] Voice 3: Thank

[3:19:46] Voice 9: you, Chair. Yeah, as I recall, we have requested a special meeting or a trust council get together prior to the June trust council meeting to hopefully go through the whole policy statement.

[3:20:05] Voice 9: So I do support meeting as necessary before, I would assume that wouldn't be till at least

[3:20:12] Voice 9: mid-May, the All of Trust Council.

[3:20:16] Voice 9: But yes, as you say, there's other business to be done as well.

[3:20:20] Voice 9: So if we can find another date that works for most of us, I am in support of advancing

[3:20:27] Voice 9: the work.

[3:20:28] Voice 3: Perfect.

[3:20:29] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:20:29] Voice 3: So we do have to kind of get everything wrapped up by our May 7th meeting, which again is

[3:20:34] Voice 3: a regularly scheduled business meeting which is full of business so we will need one more special

[3:20:40] Voice 3: meeting in between um and i'm hoping sometime in april uh trustee yates oh

[3:20:47] Voice 6: yeah thank you um

[3:20:48] Voice 6: so the meeting that was originally committee of the whole on wednesday the 16th um that's

[3:20:56] Voice 6: that will no longer be dealing with the trust policy statement is that correct

[3:21:02] Voice 6: are you talking about the committee of the meeting on the 15th no the 16th i had originally i had

[3:21:09] Voice 6: committee of the whole on the 16th has that one just been totally cancelled uh one of them just

[3:21:16] Voice 6: was it was the 15th trustee it's not oh yeah no

[3:21:20] Voice 6: i got that but now we've got so i've got the 16th

[3:21:24] Voice 6: on my calendar for 10 to 3 but will we be dealing with the trust policy statement are you talking

[3:21:30] Voice 6: trust programs committee not committee of the whole right because we've been assigned to the

[3:21:37] Voice 6: trust programs committee now

[3:21:38] Voice 3: yes sorry you were you were mentioning committee of the whole meeting

[3:21:41] Voice 3: but this is trust programs that is a regularly scheduled trust programs meeting we do have items

[3:21:47] Voice 3: on the agenda for a regular business um at hand and we will be able to fit in some of this work

[3:21:55] Voice 3: work

[3:21:56] Voice 6: okay um

[3:21:57] Voice 3: but it's going to be a regular business which is going to take up a fair chunk

[3:22:00] Voice 3: of um the hours so i would i still want to have that is not going to be enough time to finish

[3:22:09] Voice 3: and go back through again right and

[3:22:12] Voice 6: right so we need one more meeting okay and i just wanted to

[3:22:16] Voice 6: comment so yeah i assume then that we need to attend that meeting because it won't just be

[3:22:20] Voice 6: it won't just be regular trust programs it'll be the policy statement work as well so and the other

[3:22:29] Voice 6: thing i was going to say is um if staff freighter is suggesting maybe an evening meeting that makes

[3:22:36] Voice 6: me think that staff would be available for an evening meeting if we needed to do that and

[3:22:45] Voice 3: i'm

[3:22:46] Voice 3: just going to say as well as you are now all members of the trust programs committee you are

[3:22:53] Voice 3: are still expected to attend the Trust Programs Committee work as well, not just the Trust Policy

[3:22:59] Voice 3: Statement work. I see Claire Freighter's got her hand up. Yep, and I recognize that as well. Thank

[3:23:05] Voice 3: you. Steph Freighter.

[3:23:07] Voice 15: Thank you. So I can let you know what's coming, just so you can plan your

[3:23:10] Voice 15: timing. For the 16th, we're just simply going to be bringing you the Secretariat Service decision,

[3:23:15] Voice 15: which is at this point becoming fairly routine for the committee around looking at its budget

[3:23:18] Voice 15: it and deciding how to allocate it. If trustees look at what might be needed in advance of that

[3:23:24] Voice 15: meeting, I think there are some groups coming to present at that meeting. It can be fairly dealt

[3:23:30] Voice 15: with in a fairly expeditious way, I think, based on the past couple of years. That is the only

[3:23:34] Voice 15: other agenda item that will come. The rest of it will be focused on the policy statement.

[3:23:39] Voice 15: For the seventh, we have a number of other, again, I think items that can be dealt with

[3:23:42] Voice 15: relatively quickly. There'll be the annual report approval, decisions about webinars for the future

[3:23:49] Voice 15: and requests for which business cases you'd like to be advanced into the next fiscal year. Those

[3:23:54] Voice 15: are the ones that at this time we're thinking of. Again, shouldn't take up the whole meeting time

[3:23:59] Voice 15: and you'll still have time available for the policy statement. But I do agree with the chair.

[3:24:02] Voice 15: I think an evening meeting would give you enough time to get through the document, hopefully.

[3:24:08] Voice 3: Yeah. And we do want to have a second pass through the document. So the way that it's

[3:24:12] Voice 3: currently scheduled, we might just squeak through a first pass, but we won't have time to go back

[3:24:18] Voice 3: through and make sure that everything has been captured correctly and to the intent that was

[3:24:26] Voice 3: looked for. So again, we do need one more special meeting. So the request is that staff do a poll

[3:24:39] Voice 3: survey and schedule one more meeting, whether it be during the day or in an evening. And

[3:24:47] Voice 3: we can we can work from from that point forward. The meetings that are currently on this list are

[3:24:53] Voice 3: regularly scheduled trust programs meetings. And these are here for your information so that you're

[3:25:00] Voice 3: aware of them. They're already voted on. They do not require a vote. The only thing that would

[3:25:04] Voice 3: require a vote would be um a new special meeting and that will likely happen via

[3:25:10] Voice 3: rwm once we just once we found a date that works that sound good okay all right um then let's go

[3:25:20] Voice 3: back to our work at hand and see if we can get through one if not too much sure

[3:25:28] Voice 9: we have staff

[3:25:28] Voice 9: hands up i

[3:25:30] Voice 3: see staff rater uh certainly i might defer to staff barlow first

[3:25:34] Voice 15: if i might

[3:25:34] Voice 15: If

[3:25:36] Voice 10: I may, Chair, it may be much more effective for a poll to be successful if some suggested dates could be made now.

[3:25:47] Voice 10: Otherwise, we'll just be throwing dates out there that are possibilities and they may or may not work.

[3:25:55] Voice 10: If there are, if the committee can provide any potential dates, that would likely make the poll more likely to be successful.

[3:26:05] Voice 10: Sounds good.

[3:26:08] Voice 3: So I will leave that up to the members of this committee then to write in with their availability, as well as if you have any suggestions right now, let's put them on the floor.

[3:26:20] Voice 3: Trustee Patrick?

[3:26:24] Trustee Patrick: I don't have anything about the meeting dates, but we're getting back.

[3:26:29] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Peterson?

[3:26:31] Voice 9: I've just done a quick scan of my calendar and the meeting calendar on the website and I saw that the April 22nd and April 29th both Tuesdays look they look good on my end and they look good from the the calendar that I can see I'm not sure about staff availability but those those two popped out for in April.

[3:26:58] Voice 9: role

[3:26:59] Voice 3: perfect those look good for me anybody else staff

[3:27:05] Voice 15: rita uh so i do see that on the 22nd bowen

[3:27:09] Voice 15: island has its committee of the whole meeting so that would preclude our bowen trustee joining us

[3:27:13] Voice 15: and the

[3:27:14] Voice 15: afternoon in the afternoon so we certainly um staff have a leadership meeting in the morning

[3:27:19] Voice 15: but i could speak with our cao about being able to juggle that potentially um and then for the 29th

[3:27:25] Voice 15: again same same in the morning um we have a leadership team meeting which would have your

[3:27:28] Voice 15: senior leaders in it, but I could speak with the CAO. We had originally blocked off the 29th

[3:27:34] Voice 15: because a number of people were going to be traveling to Bowen potentially. I think that

[3:27:38] Voice 15: has now been ruled out. So the afternoon of the 29th, with the exception of your Director of

[3:27:42] Voice 15: Planning, could be available if that's of interest.

[3:27:46] Voice 3: Sounds good. Does anybody else have

[3:27:49] Voice 3: any additional date suggestions? Trustee Yates?

[3:27:53] Voice 6: Yeah, it's Earth Day on the 22nd. And I have some

[3:27:58] Voice 6: some big activities at the school which I would be reluctant to cancel but I could

[3:28:03] Voice 6: but I also have the 29th completely available right so it's looking like

[3:28:11] Voice 3: the 29th is

[3:28:13] Voice 3: is looking good I

[3:28:18] Trustee Fast: can do I can do the afternoon or the evening or the morning on the 29th I'm

[3:28:22] Trustee Fast: another one with that all blocked all

[3:28:25] Voice 3: open yeah okay so why don't we then put a request out

[3:28:31] Voice 3: is there anyone on this call currently that is not available on the 29th not seeing any

[3:28:43] Voice 3: why don't we then ask staff to put a poll out for the 29th um either again a nine to

[3:28:53] Voice 3: to one or two o'clock, or an evening, and we'll see which one works best. I

[3:29:08] Voice 4: think that'll simplify

[3:29:09] Voice 4: everything. Okay.

[3:29:15] Voice 3: Are we good to move on to back to the review? Yeah. Okay. So we are now at the

[3:29:25] Voice 3: soil and fill directive policy section further there we go um and again there are of well to

[3:29:53] Voice 3: me there's some fairly obvious um issues and goals within the section

[3:30:00] Voice 3: And I see Trustee Patrick has her hand up, so I will turn it over to her.

[3:30:05] Trustee Patrick: Well, I don't want to interfere in this section.

[3:30:07] Trustee Patrick: Before we end the meeting, we should probably go back to the freshwater section because the motion I had was asking staff to do some analysis.

[3:30:13] Trustee Patrick: And it's probably important that we consider that motion today so that staff have the time to do that analysis before your next meeting.

[3:30:21] Voice 3: Yeah, and I do believe that we were going to have the freshwater specialist come in as well on the 16th.

[3:30:29] Voice 3: I think that was the plan. Is that correct, Staff Rater?

[3:30:38] Voice 15: yes we were planning to bring that back to your 16th meeting if there are specific requests of

[3:30:43] Voice 15: staff it would be helpful to know that in advance of the meeting so we can be as prepared as possible

[3:30:47] Voice 3: okay so i hear you then uh trustee patrick would you like to go back to that section now and put

[3:30:52] Voice 3: that uh to the floor

[3:30:54] Trustee Patrick: i can't make that motion but um it was in the uh your um your it was a draft

[3:31:02] Trustee Patrick: motion that i had submitted before about requesting staff to do analysis on adding saltwater

[3:31:06] Trustee Patrick: intrusion to the draft policy statement right

[3:31:09] Voice 3: i see that that's three five four there could be

[3:31:12] Trustee Patrick: another one that uh having conversations with staff on other other projects on other islands

[3:31:19] Trustee Patrick: um we might want to consider an advocacy policy to the province um as well for you know for their

[3:31:26] Trustee Patrick: use of their tools on our islands so um that might be a second one to add for analysis on

[3:31:34] Trustee Patrick: the freshwater okay

[3:31:36] Voice 3: so i do i do see that that's actually on the next page so we haven't quite

[3:31:39] Voice 3: gotten to that section yet on um as we're going through these uh uh draft recommendations this

[3:31:47] Voice 3: is backwards this is the freshwater one for five three i know but i'm actually going through

[3:31:51] Voice 3: the recommendations as they are on the sheet you're meeting um but i understand the timing

[3:31:57] Voice 3: of this so we can bring that one forward if somebody would like to make the motion trustee

[3:32:07] Voice 3: peterson that

[3:32:12] Voice 9: trust programs committee request executive committee request staff to provide

[3:32:15] Voice 9: analysis of adding saltwater intrusion to draft policy statement section directives policies

[3:32:21] Voice 9: freshwater thank

[3:32:24] Voice 3: you before we second this is there any changes to the recommended wording

[3:32:29] Voice 3: or the request wording? Not seeing any. Do we have a seconder for the recommendation?

[3:32:37] Voice 3: Trustee Yates? I see lots of hands flying up. All right. Is there any discussion to be held

[3:32:44] Voice 3: on this before going to the vote? Not seeing any. I'm seeing shaking heads. All right. So

[3:32:53] Voice 3: all those in favor of the recommendation, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. Please

[3:33:00] Voice 3: please lower your hand. Any opposed? Seeing none that is carried. Thank you. Okay, back to soil

[3:33:16] Voice 3: and fill. All right. So again, dealing with issues and goals. Issues, obviously, with us being

[3:33:30] Voice 3: on rocks in the middle of saltwater. Soil is very important, and we want to keep it as

[3:33:37] Voice 3: as much as possible. There are also other issues, such as on islands that have invasive species,

[3:33:44] Voice 3: the removal and movement of soil can also move invasive species around causing a lot of harm.

[3:33:53] Voice 3: So our goal should be to preserve and protect our soil where we have it, and to make sure that we

[3:34:02] Voice 3: We don't do anything that's detrimental to our sensitive systems, as well as our general areas by moving and allowing invasive species to sprout up everywhere.

[3:34:16] Voice 3: So I'm going to ask the question, does anyone have any issue or comments or changes to the two items that are within this section?

[3:34:24] Voice 3: I personally don't. I like them the way that they're written.

[3:34:30] Voice 3: same couple of nods if there are no comments then we can move on to the next section

[3:34:37] Voice 3: and again there will be another opportunity to come forward with another item

[3:34:42] Voice 3: at a later meeting on to the directive policies for marine shorelands so we've had quite a bit

[3:34:52] Voice 3: of discussion earlier on some of these areas and i do have one item that was brought forward by

[3:35:01] Voice 3: trustee Getty for 3.5.21 and if we can bring that one up on the screen there we go so 3.5.21

[3:35:19] Voice 3: has to do with the private docks it currently reads limit or prohibit new private docks in

[3:35:28] Voice 3: areas identified as culturally significant by indigenous governing bodies and indigenous

[3:35:32] Voice 3: knowledge holders in areas that provide critical habitat for species at risk and in areas of

[3:35:39] Voice 3: recreational significant and consider the cumulative effects of docks the request from

[3:35:46] Voice 3: trustee getty is that the phrasing gets moved around a little bit and it looks like let me

[3:35:57] Voice 3: just read through this again it wants to be instead of it being private docks it's it's

[3:36:03] Voice 3: being changed to marine docs. And I want to ask staff's input on changing it from private

[3:36:12] Voice 3: docs to marine docs. I want to know where we have jurisdiction. I don't know if we have

[3:36:18] Voice 3: jurisdiction on marine docs or just private. If one of the staff can chime in on this before

[3:36:28] Voice 3: we move forward i'm not sure if uh who would have any information on that oh yeah i can't i'm

[3:36:46] Voice 3: scrolling down i can't see you waving your hands so if you if you put your hand if you can't put

[3:36:51] Voice 3: up your digital hand just uh just shout out please stephan sir mike sure

[3:36:55] Voice 8: thank you chair uh we do

[3:36:57] Voice 8: have uh you know the local trust committees have jurisdiction to zone uh uses in the marine area

[3:37:04] Voice 8: up to a distance away from the high watermark, which would include docks.

[3:37:10] Voice 8: What you cannot do is deny a crown corporation or a federal government,

[3:37:15] Voice 8: anybody of higher jurisdiction, from the work that they would like to undertake.

[3:37:21] Voice 8: However, weirdly enough, because the ferries are a crown corporation,

[3:37:25] Voice 8: they are subject to your local bylaws.

[3:37:28] Voice 8: So, pretty much everybody you can think of is subject to the LTC's authority to regulate the uses on the foreshore, and that would include development permits.

[3:37:40] Voice 3: Perfect. So, changing this to marine docks would actually open it and make it broader, correct?

[3:37:47] Voice 3: Correct. Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. So I'm going to ask if anyone would like to

[3:37:56] Voice 3: move the recommendation, or if anyone has any other wording, or if anyone, trust me fast.

[3:38:09] Voice 3: I'll

[3:38:09] Trustee Fast: move it. That Trust Programs Committee requests Trust Council amend the draft

[3:38:15] Trustee Fast: Trust Policy Statement Item 3.5.21 by changing the title to Marine Docs

[3:38:21] Trustee Fast: and moved the last phrase to the beginning of the policy such that it would read,

[3:38:25] Trustee Fast: consider the cumulative effects of docks and limit or prohibit new docks in areas identified

[3:38:31] Trustee Fast: as culturally significant by Indigenous governing bodies and Indigenous knowledge holders in areas

[3:38:37] Trustee Fast: that provide critical habitat for species at risk and in areas of recreational significance.

[3:38:43] Trustee Fast: significance perfect

[3:38:45] Voice 3: thank you so and as i read that change it is not prohibiting docs it is

[3:38:52] Voice 3: looking to prohibit docs in areas where it's going to have a negative and detrimental effect

[3:38:58] Voice 3: which is what we want um to be able to do so i am in support of this does anybody have any

[3:39:08] Voice 3: Any changes or suggestions to the wording before I call for a seconder?

[3:39:15] Voice 3: Not seeing any.

[3:39:16] Voice 3: Do I have a seconder?

[3:39:19] Voice 3: Trustee Peterson.

[3:39:20] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:39:21] Voice 3: All right.

[3:39:22] Voice 3: Any conversation or discussion on this item?

[3:39:29] Voice 3: Not seeing any.

[3:39:31] Voice 3: I'm going to call the vote on the recommendation.

[3:39:34] Voice 3: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[3:39:38] Voice 3: Thank you kindly.

[3:39:40] Voice 3: Please lower your hand.

[3:39:46] Voice 3: Any opposed?

[3:39:49] Voice 3: Seeing none.

[3:39:50] Voice 3: This is also carried.

[3:39:52] Voice 3: I'm now going to ask does anyone have anything else in this section that they would like to raise or bring forward? I'll just give Staff Yeomans a second to be able to bring this back up on the screen, the Directive Policies page. Trustee Elliott?

[3:40:20] Voice 11: Elliott? So I have a question about 3.516, the first one. Just because we've come out of this

[3:40:31] Voice 11: discussion at Thetis Local Trust Committee. So it's the crown that holds aquaculture lease

[3:40:42] Voice 11: designation ability. And I'm wondering whether we can actually direct commercial aquaculture

[3:40:51] Voice 11: tenures to locations we can zone marine locations to prohibit um that use but can we direct them

[3:41:06] Voice 11: like they make an application and and that's not really ours to say where it goes we can just say

[3:41:12] Voice 11: it's zoned for here and not for there or maybe i'm reading too much into it director sir mac

[3:41:18] Voice 11: you fresh out of that conversation. Maybe you can help me. Go ahead,

[3:41:25] Voice 3: Stefan, if you can.

[3:41:27] Voice 8: Sure. Thank you, Chair. I agree with Trustee Elliott. I would imply as a planner when

[3:41:36] Voice 8: interpreting this that this is for zoning purposes and or land use designation purposes

[3:41:41] Voice 8: that the bylaws that are being adopted would direct commercial aquaculture via zoning and

[3:41:49] Voice 8: and via land use assignations to the appropriate places.

[3:41:51] Voice 8: So it's implied in it, in my personal opinion.

[3:41:53] Voice 8: But if you'd like to make it ever more explicitly clear, you may do so.

[3:41:57] Voice 8: Although, I must say, I see it right in the top line there,

[3:42:01] Voice 8: as it is that local test islands shall, in the preparation of OCPs and amendments.

[3:42:06] Voice 8: So it's pretty clear to staff, but happy to amend it if you wish.

[3:42:13] Voice 4: Trustee Peterson?

[3:42:16] Voice 9: Yeah, it looks pretty straightforward to me as well.

[3:42:19] Voice 9: Well, what the province chooses to do in terms of giving out leases

[3:42:25] Voice 9: is not under our control, unfortunately.

[3:42:29] Voice 9: But I think this is pretty straightforward

[3:42:31] Voice 9: because you direct to either by explicitly saying it's permitted use

[3:42:40] Voice 9: or by prohibiting it in places you don't want it.

[3:42:43] Voice 9: So I think there's a couple of ways to approach it.

[3:42:46] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:42:47] Voice 4: Staff Rater.

[3:42:49] Voice 15: I'll just note that in the last of the existing policy statement it talks about directing

[3:42:54] Voice 15: aquaculture away from and then list the values so that directing language was in the former version

[3:42:59] Voice 15: and was previously seen as acceptable to the province we've just flipped it this way so now

[3:43:05] Voice 15: it's directing it to a location rather than away from a location but same outcome does that answer

[3:43:15] Voice 4: your question trustee elliott yep

[3:43:19] Voice 3: thank you perfect um okay i just had a question on 3520

[3:43:30] Voice 3: if somebody and if somebody could explain to me what what this is accomplishing sharing of coastal

[3:43:36] Voice 3: facilities somebody can just explain how and where and why we would do something like that who would

[3:43:47] Voice 3: would we be sharing it with um that would just be helpful to me i trust you fast are you going

[3:43:55] Trustee Fast: to answer that sure i'm on bowen we have a uh an ability to have community docks and there's

[3:44:02] Trustee Fast: several of them neighborhoods have a shared uh public dock that a few boats can people swim off

[3:44:08] Trustee Fast: them that kind of thing and i think that's the uh idea here i believe on um gambier keats they

[3:44:15] Trustee Fast: They have this kind of thing, too.

[3:44:17] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:44:18] Voice 3: Just thought I'd ask the question.

[3:44:20] Voice 3: All right.

[3:44:21] Voice 3: Does anyone have anything else in this section?

[3:44:29] Voice 3: Not seeing anything.

[3:44:31] Voice 3: Let's go to our final section.

[3:44:35] Voice 3: Admissions.

[3:44:38] Voice 3: I do not have any issue with the way that this is worded.

[3:44:41] Voice 3: Does anyone have any comments or suggestions?

[3:44:48] Voice 3: Trustee Fast?

[3:44:49] Trustee Fast: um it's interesting that right right now it's called emissions uh to air land and water um

[3:45:00] Trustee Fast: i'm wondering if this means kind of general pollution uh for example groundwater um

[3:45:09] Trustee Fast: people are some islands uh i think it's bowen actually starting to pick up um

[3:45:19] Trustee Fast: chemicals, pharmaceuticals in the water, cocaine, weird things that are getting into the system.

[3:45:28] Trustee Fast: So would emissions cover those kinds of things? Emissions to land, air and water? I'm wondering

[3:45:37] Trustee Fast: if it should be emissions and pollution or something that's clearer. Over.

[3:45:47] Trustee Fast: I'm going

[3:45:47] Voice 3: to ask that question of staff, again, from a jurisdictional standpoint, if we have jurisdiction over pollution, if somebody in staff can speak for this.

[3:46:04] Voice 1: All right, I'm still incapable of raising my hand.

[3:46:08] Voice 1: I will speak to some of what I heard from Trustee Fast there.

[3:46:12] Voice 1: there. We do not necessarily regulate the pollution as much as we regulate the uses

[3:46:18] Voice 1: that may potentially cause the pollution. And certainly, there is no Islands Trust Authority

[3:46:24] Voice 1: that can control what people flush down their toilets, for example, or what they ingest and

[3:46:29] Voice 1: then flush down their toilets that enters the Bowen's drinking system. So for the most part,

[3:46:39] Voice 1: I think we regulate the uses and the attendant risks associated with those uses that may

[3:46:45] Voice 1: potentially cause pollution rather than the pollution itself. But I will maybe draw Director

[3:46:53] Voice 1: Cermak into that discussion as well.

[3:46:59] Voice 3: Staff Cermak, do you have anything else to add before I move on

[3:47:03] Voice 3: to Trustee Yates?

[3:47:05] Voice 8: I don't really have anything to add. We have some nuanced differences that we

[3:47:09] Voice 8: We have to sort of monitor, but nothing that we can regulate.

[3:47:13] Voice 8: I believe that the assessment is accurate.

[3:47:17] Voice 8: We regulate use, essentially, is your power.

[3:47:21] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:47:24] Voice 6: Trustee Yates?

[3:47:25] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:47:26] Voice 6: I was thinking also that we should add the word pollutants or pollution,

[3:47:34] Voice 6: partly because with the kind of regulation we can do,

[3:47:38] Voice 6: we can at least make advocacy statements about, for example, herbicides, pesticides,

[3:47:45] Voice 6: and that kind of thing. And I don't see any harm in saying that in a policy statement,

[3:47:53] Voice 6: even if we can't actually regulate it. We can certainly have advocacy statements about those

[3:48:00] Voice 6: kinds of things, which are definitely pollutants more than emissions.

[3:48:08] Voice 3: Okay. Again, I think that there's a little bit of a blurring of line. This is a directive policy. So we're directing something that we don't necessarily have jurisdiction over.

[3:48:20] Voice 6: Yeah, you're right. Because it's a directive policy, maybe we can't do that.

[3:48:25] Voice 6: And

[3:48:26] Voice 3: we're regulating through land use only, so we can regulate through things like how things are built, like size, etc. But yeah, I think that's starting to blur lines. Staff Cermak.

[3:48:51] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair. I just want to be clear that, you know, there's many policies and official community plans that sort of reach beyond your authority.

[3:49:03] Voice 8: And the Local Government Act does allow you to write policies as such, even if you're not able to regulate it.

[3:49:11] Voice 8: So I want to draw the distinction between policies and regulation.

[3:49:14] Voice 8: While you may not be able to regulate pollution, you certainly can put policies regarding that.

[3:49:19] Voice 8: And that can guide decision-making down the road in the future.

[3:49:24] Voice 8: It certainly signals the intent to many people what it is your values are in your OCP.

[3:49:30] Voice 8: So I wouldn't be so hasty to just have policies that are just regulatory in nature.

[3:49:35] Voice 8: Sometimes they're aspirational and visionary.

[3:49:39] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[3:49:42] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:49:43] Trustee Fast: A couple of points.

[3:49:45] Trustee Fast: One of them, I think it needs to be clarified that I love the word,

[3:49:48] Trustee Fast: adding the word pollutants in there. So perhaps I will propose something where it's

[3:49:56] Trustee Fast: emissions and pollutants to air, land and water, just to make it clear. And secondly,

[3:50:04] Trustee Fast: these emissions could be from land uses like light industrial, or situations I'm familiar with

[3:50:13] Trustee Fast: involve roasting coffee beans

[3:50:17] Trustee Fast: and the strong odors that come from that.

[3:50:21] Trustee Fast: That's emissions.

[3:50:23] Trustee Fast: And I think we can't, thinking into the future,

[3:50:30] Trustee Fast: we can't preclude that another island local trust area

[3:50:34] Trustee Fast: might become an island municipality,

[3:50:37] Trustee Fast: in which case you do have the ability

[3:50:40] Trustee Fast: to regulate some of these things.

[3:50:42] Trustee Fast: We have a pesticide bylaw on Bowen, for example.

[3:50:46] Trustee Fast: So I move that the Trust Programs Committee recommend to Trust Council the addition of the words and pollutants after the word emissions in the heading and the text of 3.5.22.

[3:51:16] Trustee Fast: to just wait for staff to get that up on the screen and

[3:51:36] Voice 3: uh before we go for a second i had

[3:51:38] Voice 3: something similar and i'm just going to ask if this would fit in that's why i had my hand up

[3:51:44] Voice 3: i was going to suggest um changing the wording to regulate land use and development to reduce

[3:51:55] Voice 3: the detrimental emissions including greenhouse gas emissions to land air and water and develop

[3:52:00] Voice 3: develop policies pertaining to pollution. So I mean, I guess that's, that's, maybe that's

[3:52:12] Voice 3: inherent in the in the title. Otherwise, I have no issue with the way that you've, you've,

[3:52:18] Voice 3: you've done it here. Anybody else have comments on the language? Not seeing any? Okay. Do I have

[3:52:33] Voice 3: a seconder for the motion? Trustee Yeats. Thank you. Any further discussion? Not seeing any.

[3:52:45] Voice 3: All those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. Please lower your hand. Any opposed? Seeing none, this carries. Now we have reached the end of this section. I know that Trustee Patrick had another item that she wanted to bring forward or discuss. So, Trustee Patrick, what was it that you wanted to raise?

[3:53:16] Trustee Patrick: It's a draft motion that was in the documents that was sent to you.

[3:53:22] Trustee Patrick: This was prepared with conversations with staff.

[3:53:26] Trustee Patrick: I've had a lot of conversations with them regarding implementation plans.

[3:53:30] Trustee Patrick: And I would encourage you, if you want to learn more, is to look at the CRD's regional growth strategy.

[3:53:38] Trustee Patrick: Look at their implementation plan and the language.

[3:53:40] Trustee Patrick: And you can see that in all of them.

[3:53:42] Trustee Patrick: So this is asking staff to do some analysis to consider context statements or something thereabouts is a way in which local trust committees tell trust counsel or how they understood the trust policy statement and how they incorporated it into their OCPs.

[3:54:07] Trustee Patrick: that we also implement you know requests that we do the directive only checklist and

[3:54:16] Trustee Patrick: what's the other ones also look at all of the agreements that we have with government to

[3:54:21] Trustee Patrick: government agreements that may some of them may need to be updated after this gets approved

[3:54:25] Trustee Patrick: and you know and then we should set targets in a monitoring program to be quite specific about you

[3:54:31] Trustee Patrick: know when when do we need to update it again we could even set those dates let's update it within

[3:54:35] Trustee Patrick: in a particular time and also a program to how are we going to update all our ocp so uh it's in that

[3:54:41] Trustee Patrick: it's on four one it's on it was on that final page of the document one

[3:54:46] Trustee Patrick: yeah okay

[3:54:48] Voice 3: so we do only

[3:54:49] Voice 3: have five minutes left before a hard stop um we are not going to be getting to um the implementation

[3:54:55] Voice 3: phase just yet or likely at the next meeting but this is good work to get uh done in advance so

[3:55:03] Voice 3: So let's see if we can get this done in the next four minutes.

[3:55:09] Voice 3: So thank you very much for your explanation and why this is good work to get done in advance

[3:55:15] Voice 3: of reaching that point.

[3:55:18] Voice 3: Does anyone have any changes to the wording that Trustee Patrick has on the screen?

[3:55:23] Voice 3: And if not, I'm going to ask that somebody move this motion so that we can start working

[3:55:31] Voice 3: with it.

[3:55:31] Voice 3: staff rita

[3:55:32] Voice 15: i'll just note that in that first line trust programs committee can direct staff

[3:55:37] Voice 15: so you can take out the request executive committee and just have a trust programs

[3:55:42] Voice 15: committee request staff to come back with the

[3:55:44] Voice 3: perfect yeah that was a question earlier and

[3:55:47] Voice 3: we were told the other way around so so

[3:55:49] Voice 15: no it is you are still recommending to trust council

[3:55:52] Voice 15: but penny of the whole couldn't ask for staff work you can certainly ask for advice to come

[3:55:56] Voice 15: back to a future meeting of the committee. Perfect. Thank you. Trustee Elliott? I'll make

[3:56:03] Voice 11: the motion if we're ready. Go for it. I move that Trust Programs Committee request staff to provide

[3:56:09] Voice 11: analysis and potential amendments to draft policy statement section 4.1, policy statement

[3:56:16] Voice 11: implementation, to require development of a policy statement implementation plan that includes,

[3:56:21] Voice 11: but is not limited to, context statements similar to those used in regional growth strategies,

[3:56:27] Voice 11: An updated directives-only checklist.

[3:56:30] Voice 11: Implementation agreements with other levels of government and agencies.

[3:56:35] Voice 11: Targets and a monitoring program to assess policy statement implementation.

[3:56:41] Voice 11: And I'm assuming that's the next bullet.

[3:56:44] Voice 11: A program to update trust area OCPs to bring them into alignment with the new policy statement.

[3:56:52] Voice 11: Just before it's seconded, is the program to update OCPs?

[3:57:01] Voice 11: potentially a different no it's a plan okay part of the plan yeah all of that that's a lot of work

[3:57:11] Trustee Fast: okay so uh trustee fast thank you chair i have a question i'll try and go quickly i'm just about

[3:57:18] Trustee Fast: the third bullet down uh implementation agreements with other levels of governments

[3:57:24] Trustee Fast: governments and agencies? Can this also include? And how do we make First Nations part of this

[3:57:33] Trustee Fast: as well? So that we're not only doing other government and agencies, because I thought

[3:57:42] Trustee Fast: we could add that in.

[3:57:46] Voice 3: I'm also going to suggest that this is going to be a longer conversation

[3:57:48] Voice 3: because we've got two minutes left. We may have to leave this till later.

[3:57:53] Trustee Fast: We can always deal with

[3:57:54] Trustee Fast: with that later, I just want to put the thought out there because it's going to come back to our

[3:57:57] Trustee Fast: next meeting with staff input, right? So I'll withdraw that. Trustee Yates?

[3:58:04] Voice 6: Yes, I brought this

[3:58:05] Voice 6: up early on in the process about the term directives only checklist. It's quite confusing

[3:58:13] Voice 6: when we're looking at it, when we make a decision at the LTC level, because really it's just a

[3:58:19] Voice 6: directives checklist. And I wonder if we can get rid of that word only at this point.

[3:58:29] Voice 3: I will turn over to Trustee Patrick to see if that changes the intent.

[3:58:33] Trustee Patrick: I think this was intended.

[3:58:34] Trustee Patrick: I think we put, it's meant to be high level and for staff to think about it.

[3:58:38] Trustee Patrick: I mean, that is what the word is today.

[3:58:39] Trustee Patrick: So the future product could be very different once they do their analysis and come back

[3:58:45] Trustee Patrick: with it.

[3:58:46] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:58:49] Voice 3: Any further comments?

[3:58:53] Voice 3: Do I have a seconder for this motion?

[3:58:56] Voice 3: Trustee Yates, thank you.

[3:58:58] Voice 3: Any further discussion?

[3:59:03] Voice 3: Not seeing any, I'm going to call the vote on the motion.

[3:59:06] Voice 3: all those in favor please raise your hand thank you very much please lower your hand

[3:59:14] Voice 3: any opposed seeing none that carries an awesome job team this was fantastic i think we got through

[3:59:24] Voice 3: more in this one meeting than in any of the others and it's exactly one o'clock so

[3:59:30] Voice 3: So unless there is any other business meeting items, we will call for adjournment.

[3:59:41] Voice 7: So moved.

[3:59:42] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair.

[3:59:45] Voice 6: Thank you. What a great meeting. Thank you.

[3:59:49] Voice 6: Yeah. Well done, Chair Evans.

[3:59:53] Voice 5: You guys,

[3:59:54] Voice 3: you guys were amazing.