Islands Trust Council regular meeting, April 24, 2025

[0:00:04] Voice 13: I really want 2,000

[0:00:05] Voice 13: liters per day, but I assume it will be enough.

[0:00:10] Voice 13: No, it would be enough.

[0:00:11] Voice 13: I'm interested in which one it all built.

[0:00:15] Voice 13: Already, so that's what I'm getting to.

[0:00:17] Voice 13: We may start as a solution, but it would be a long sentence.

[0:00:22] Voice 3: Well, we'll do that later.

[0:00:25] Voice 3: On this next slide here.

[0:00:28] Voice 3: Good morning, everybody.

[0:00:30] Trustee Maude: Hi, everybody. Thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting of the Susterno Highland Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to calculate locations across the whole city.

[0:00:44] Trustee Maude: I'm David Maud, the chair of the Susterno Highland Local Trust Committee. I'm joined today by two Susterno trustees,

[0:00:50] Trustee Maude: speed. Um, boy, this is the middle. Um, you know, we have

[0:00:55] Trustee Maude: this journal. Okay, this meeting seems like it's being

[0:00:58] Trustee Maude: a report. Those were named kind of person today. The recording

[0:01:01] Trustee Maude: was posted on the website for future viewing. Uh, we have some

[0:01:06] Trustee Maude: staff members going today. Uh, we have a regional planning

[0:01:09] Trustee Maude: manager, Robert Kojima. We have your final planner, perhaps. We

[0:01:15] Trustee Maude: have Floyd Dayton from final enforcement with us. And then

[0:01:19] Trustee Maude: And we have Lisa Bavari, who is our master of Zoom and meditating and other masterful things that we very much do appreciate.

[0:01:28] Trustee Maude: The meeting is a special forum for Golden Cups getting to make decisions about land use, planning matters, and the success of the business.

[0:01:34] Trustee Maude: And when added to the place of appointment, our staff, the way to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:40] Trustee Maude: So before we have an agenda, does anybody have any additions or conditions or concerns?

[0:01:45] Trustee Maude: or

[0:01:45] Voice 6: there's maybe just new business it's a small matter it's just following up on the uh

[0:01:54] Voice 6: um the nature the bc parks foundation acquisition of um on calls uh from our companies and the and

[0:02:04] Voice 6: the density so

[0:02:06] Trustee Maude: we will by general consent adopt the agenda as a member um so we start right into

[0:02:19] Trustee Maude: trustee report who wants to be the first trustee

[0:02:27] Voice 5: um

[0:02:28] Voice 6: so the council which i think i'll let our chair speak to

[0:02:34] Voice 6: involved in the machinery of trust council that i am uh in march and the limo which i attended and

[0:02:42] Voice 6: um the only actors have been sort of ongoing dialogue with the folks involved with the

[0:02:49] Voice 6: land donation jimmy meyer's and um and so i met last week actually with the nature question

[0:02:57] let's keep saying that hrs dc parks foundation

[0:03:00] Voice 6: there's two separate duty meyer is seeking to

[0:03:03] Voice 6: donate her property to the nature travel bridge columbia you will see a report on that in terms

[0:03:10] Voice 6: of her subdivision activity uh so i won't speak any more about that um and then uh ronnie's former

[0:03:18] Voice 6: properties were purchased by the bc parks foundations i think most people know and so they

[0:03:26] Voice 6: have the total in our counter might be 39 i might be getting this wrong so it's either 34 or 39

[0:03:33] Voice 6: nine densities available on that property uh and they are we've been following them so i called up

[0:03:39] Voice 6: with them again and had a very good meeting and um they're quite willing uh we'll speak at the

[0:03:46] Voice 6: agenda item about what we need to do to actually see those densities be transferred to the community

[0:03:51] Voice 6: so there's requirements that they would need to see in place and we'll talk about that when we

[0:03:56] Voice 6: get to that point of the agenda so that's probably enough from me for now thank you thank you

[0:04:02] Voice 10: Hi everybody, I am

[0:04:05] Voice 10: the only thing of real

[0:04:07] Voice 10: note that's different from

[0:04:08] Voice 10: standard business here is

[0:04:11] Voice 10: I participated in

[0:04:13] Voice 10: a working group on tiny homes on

[0:04:15] Voice 10: wheels and

[0:04:16] Voice 10: that was actually

[0:04:19] Voice 10: quite successful, it was

[0:04:21] Voice 10: initiated

[0:04:22] Voice 10: last September or so

[0:04:24] Voice 10: small budget from the regional planning

[0:04:27] Voice 10: group in the Islands Trust

[0:04:28] Voice 10: and

[0:04:30] Voice 10: And really, the big ticket item was that they convened via project manager

[0:04:37] Voice 10: what was called a technical panel.

[0:04:40] Voice 10: So it was a group of people from regional district of Nanaimo,

[0:04:46] Voice 10: from tiny home builders, Gord Baird, who's the composting toilet wastewater expert,

[0:04:55] Voice 10: and a few others came together.

[0:04:57] Voice 10: Oh, sorry, Brad was there.

[0:04:59] Voice 10: there and Robert Kojima. And so they all came together, about eight or nine of them in

[0:05:06] Voice 10: Nanaimo. And they had a very, very good meeting where they all had like light bulb

[0:05:11] Voice 10: moments. And the problem really, in a nutshell, was a two bulb party, land use and

[0:05:20] Voice 10: siting, but more importantly, it was compliance with construction standards. And it was

[0:05:26] Voice 10: one of those things where turning home on wheels everywhere you went down the decision-making tree

[0:05:32] Voice 10: with various standards you kind of fell off the edge so they thought they had light bulb moments

[0:05:39] Voice 10: where they realized that they were very close to being able to comply with the CSA standard and

[0:05:45] Voice 10: with the BC building code and they were building inspection people there and so then they went off

[0:05:52] Voice 10: to ACC, the Bank of Ireland Chamber of Commerce get-together.

[0:05:58] Voice 10: David was there.

[0:06:00] Voice 10: Oh, yeah, I'm not at that.

[0:06:02] Voice 10: Okay, well, anyway, they made presentations there.

[0:06:04] Voice 10: People right through the region,

[0:06:08] Voice 10: because we also had a guy from Cortes Island on the steering committee.

[0:06:12] Voice 10: We had a woman from the Cootbees.

[0:06:16] Voice 10: We had Paul from the COD.

[0:06:18] Voice 10: so we had quite a wide range of interest in making this possible and it seems that uh it is either

[0:06:27] Voice 10: already possible or very very close to being possible and so the steering committee will

[0:06:33] Voice 10: the project ended with a report out from that steward the technical panel and the steering

[0:06:40] Voice 10: are continuing to kind of

[0:06:43] Voice 10: just babysit it for the next few months

[0:06:49] Voice 10: at least and then we're hoping that another region

[0:06:52] Voice 10: or another group will pick it up and we'll run with it

[0:06:56] Voice 10: because we really recognise that there are a lot of people on the islands

[0:07:01] Voice 10: who are living in those kind of

[0:07:05] Voice 10: tiny homes on wheels scenarios and they're not necessarily

[0:07:08] Voice 10: any legal so they're potentially dangerous and it's an opportunity for people to have

[0:07:15] Voice 10: equity that's not too expensive and the fact that it's movable so a lot of positives and this

[0:07:24] Voice 10: initiative was had quite a good outcome so we were really pleased okay anybody wants to know more

[0:07:32] Voice 10: to let me know.

[0:07:34] Trustee Maude: All right.

[0:07:35] Trustee Maude: From my end,

[0:07:37] Trustee Maude: as just people,

[0:07:39] Trustee Maude: we had

[0:07:41] Trustee Maude: trust counsel recently.

[0:07:43] Trustee Maude: We adopted the budget

[0:07:45] Trustee Maude: with, I believe, a very conservative

[0:07:47] Trustee Maude: budget increase.

[0:07:49] Trustee Maude: Everything's getting more expensive.

[0:07:51] Trustee Maude: It's a challenge.

[0:07:52] Trustee Maude: Unfortunately,

[0:07:54] Trustee Maude: it means that we have to cut.

[0:07:57] Trustee Maude: Government's trying to do more

[0:07:59] Trustee Maude: and more for people, but

[0:08:01] Trustee Maude: there's a lot of pressure for us not to have budget increases so there are things that just

[0:08:06] Trustee Maude: end up on the cutting room floor which is very unfortunate but we can only do what we can do

[0:08:11] Trustee Maude: with the dollars that we have and as I say every day things get more and more expensive so we're

[0:08:16] Trustee Maude: doing our best. The policy statement is advancing. We still seem to be rather optimistic that we're

[0:08:25] Trustee Maude: going to be able to take it to first reading in the June Trust Council in Salt Spring.

[0:08:32] Trustee Maude: Again, first reading is only first reading. It's sort of the mid-step of the process,

[0:08:38] Trustee Maude: not the conclusion of the process. We're still working at fine-tuning some small stuff.

[0:08:47] Trustee Maude: um that added a couple of new things um but i think all in all it's it's a good document

[0:08:55] Trustee Maude: and i hope it gets the first reading and i hope that subsequently people have a good chance to

[0:09:03] Trustee Maude: look at it give us the the feedback needed and get this put to bed because it's been way too

[0:09:09] Trustee Maude: long um but the other thing we haven't we i think pretty much universally agreed this will not be a

[0:09:15] Trustee Maude: static document like the previous policy statement over 20 years and i want to say it's i thought it

[0:09:22] Voice 10: was actually 25 yeah yeah so

[0:09:24] Trustee Maude: it's been it's been a considerably long time since in the light of day

[0:09:27] Trustee Maude: for review and once the idea is once this thing is fully adopted then it will have continuous review

[0:09:36] Trustee Maude: it's like this is like what we do with land use bylaws is you know we'll keep little notes and

[0:09:41] Trustee Maude: and maybe once in a year or two, we'll bring it forward to Trust Council.

[0:09:44] Trustee Maude: We need to update this.

[0:09:46] Trustee Maude: We need to change this.

[0:09:47] Trustee Maude: We need to delete that.

[0:09:48] Trustee Maude: And keep the document very dynamic because a 25-year document doesn't serve anybody.

[0:09:55] Trustee Maude: It doesn't make any difference whether you're in business or government or whatever.

[0:09:59] Trustee Maude: Things are not static.

[0:10:00] Trustee Maude: And with someone this old, sometimes it's embarrassing when you do the deep drill.

[0:10:07] Trustee Maude: um it doesn't respect a lot of what people want to do now so hopefully bigger better faster more

[0:10:15] Trustee Maude: we'll see what happens there um otherwise you know we've just been really busy trying to do

[0:10:22] Trustee Maude: the good work of the trust um i don't think there's anything highlighted it's like every

[0:10:28] Trustee Maude: day is exciting but maybe not not exciting enough to battle a meeting like this so

[0:10:32] Trustee Maude: So I believe we're in that.

[0:10:36] Trustee Maude: I regressed from the director, Paul Grant,

[0:10:38] Trustee Maude: and so I'm on the 30s in Victoria today

[0:10:41] Trustee Maude: for a municipal financing authority meeting.

[0:10:43] Trustee Maude: So he actually had a recently respectful student tie-on,

[0:10:48] Trustee Maude: so I figured it was something important.

[0:10:50] Trustee Maude: So he will not be attending today, so this is his regress.

[0:10:54] Trustee Maude: All right, so now we're in town hall.

[0:10:57] Trustee Maude: I think everybody knows the drillers.

[0:10:59] Trustee Maude: We asked for two or three minutes,

[0:11:00] Trustee Maude: but when you were asked, does anybody have any questions or comments or concerns?

[0:11:06] Voice 11: I'm just hearing your report, which is long on generalities and short on specifics.

[0:11:12] Voice 11: What sort of things ended up on the cutting room floor?

[0:11:15] Voice 11: Just give me a generic thing.

[0:11:20] Trustee Maude: I would love it, my fellow.

[0:11:23] Trustee Maude: It's been

[0:11:23] Voice 10: so long ago.

[0:11:25] Trustee Maude: I think we can say final discussions may start in late July or August.

[0:11:30] Trustee Maude: And by the time we get to actually the conclusion, we're not going to really struggle, because

[0:11:35] Trustee Maude: what things did we cut down?

[0:11:38] Trustee Maude: Well, a couple of things, I know, is things like ADIC and UPCM, we've cut down attendance

[0:11:44] Trustee Maude: of that.

[0:11:48] Trustee Maude: There was a lot of flopping back and forth about in-person meetings for Trust Council.

[0:11:54] Trustee Maude: We landed at continuing with four in-person meetings, but at one point, we were down to

[0:12:00] Trustee Maude: too. Anything else you can think of spectacular? Well

[0:12:05] Voice 10: I can think of the fact that both Lee and I,

[0:12:07] Voice 10: I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, voted against the budget and I think eight or nine trustees

[0:12:13] Voice 10: voted against the budget and it was not even specifics it was the fact that basically

[0:12:22] Voice 10: Basically, you know, the process, the amount of money and things, for instance,

[0:12:33] Voice 10: I don't think we should have four face-to-face meetings.

[0:12:37] Voice 10: They're between $30,000 and $40,000 each.

[0:12:41] Voice 10: And so we iteratively gone back and asked for a vote on that.

[0:12:46] Voice 10: I think two would be adequate, especially, you know, now that we're late on

[0:12:50] Voice 10: and people actually know each other early on in the term, maybe.

[0:12:54] Voice 10: But anyway, that's just an example of where I'm coming from.

[0:12:57] Voice 10: But people in general, we don't really address reducing the spend.

[0:13:04] Voice 10: Some of it is because we can't.

[0:13:06] Voice 10: One of the biggest questions is the number of staff and permanent staff.

[0:13:12] Voice 10: So there are obligations with respect to increases in salaries

[0:13:16] Voice 10: in terms of conditions.

[0:13:18] Voice 10: So the amount of money over which we actually have control is very small and what gets chipped

[0:13:25] Voice 10: away at is things like projects to update OCPs and NBBs.

[0:13:32] Voice 10: We're constantly struggling with resources to do that and despite having you know quite

[0:13:38] Voice 10: a high number of staff.

[0:13:40] Voice 10: so we were

[0:13:43] Voice 10: I'd say the people who voted

[0:13:45] Voice 10: against the budget it was nothing

[0:13:47] Voice 10: exactly specific

[0:13:48] Voice 10: there was more an acknowledgement

[0:13:50] Voice 10: that the budget is going up

[0:13:52] Voice 10: in ways that we

[0:13:55] Voice 10: don't agree with and something fundamentally

[0:13:57] Voice 10: has to change

[0:13:58] Voice 10: going forward and I would look to

[0:14:02] Voice 10: our

[0:14:03] Voice 10: unanimous request to the

[0:14:05] Voice 10: province for a review

[0:14:07] Voice 10: of the structure of the trust

[0:14:09] Voice 10: The trust, the workings of the trust, the fundings of the trust, the trust mandate, especially with respect to relationships with First Nations.

[0:14:18] Voice 10: You know, we were given a budget grant of $150,000 to deal with some First Nations reconciliation issues.

[0:14:27] Voice 10: And we all thought, gee, that's marvelous.

[0:14:29] Voice 10: And then we discovered that it was over five years.

[0:14:32] Voice 10: So $30,000 per year, when you're trying to deal with 28 destinations scattered across 450 islands, that's kind of pin money, basically.

[0:14:45] Voice 10: So there are so many issues like that, that really a review of the trust, its workings, its governance model is really needed.

[0:14:57] Voice 10: and the budget is kind of a symptom of that. You know, our inability to control it, to change it,

[0:15:06] Voice 10: so that's why I voted against it, rather than anything specific.

[0:15:12] Trustee Maude: Yeah, because I think that's one of the things that we really do struggle with,

[0:15:17] Trustee Maude: because we are provincial agencies. So, you know, the municipality is somewhat separate from the government.

[0:15:24] Trustee Maude: We're actually embedded within the government.

[0:15:27] Trustee Maude: We went from when we were funded, we were 100% funded by the province.

[0:15:32] Trustee Maude: Now, I believe it's something about 2% of our budget comes from the province.

[0:15:38] Trustee Maude: It's a significant degradation of funding, yet every year we get handed more and more.

[0:15:46] Trustee Maude: the big thing

[0:15:48] Trustee Maude: is the whole implementation of UNDRIP

[0:15:54] Trustee Maude: it's a big deal

[0:15:58] Trustee Maude: and that's part of the policy statement

[0:16:00] Trustee Maude: we're having to wrap our heads around

[0:16:04] Trustee Maude: so much stuff, it takes a lot of time and a lot of money

[0:16:07] Trustee Maude: because

[0:16:08] Voice 11: it's a real responsibility

[0:16:10] Trustee Maude: thank

[0:16:11] Voice 11: you, that was more

[0:16:12] Voice 11: more um well i realize you desire to be brief if it has no specifics then it's not very

[0:16:18] Voice 11: comprehensible yeah so

[0:16:19] Voice 11: quickly um well it doesn't mean anything beyond it went into the meeting to

[0:16:24] Voice 11: me anyway so you're so the next thing when you talk about the policy statement are you talking

[0:16:28] Voice 11: about the preserve and trust preserve and protect mandate or are you talking about what goes below

[0:16:35] Voice 11: that well

[0:16:36] Trustee Maude: the policy statement is the overarching document that guides us so the so

[0:16:41] Voice 11: what happens to

[0:16:42] Voice 11: the preserve and protect mandate

[0:16:43] Trustee Maude: that is the policy statement the policy statement is fed out

[0:16:49] Trustee Maude: so yeah

[0:16:50] Voice 10: the policy statement is almost like a um a description of the how you're going to do

[0:16:56] Voice 10: the preserve and protect and we've discussed this over and over and people are and i i do

[0:17:04] Voice 11: know you have views on it so i'm going to leave it at that i just want to be sure how the structure

[0:17:08] Voice 11: yeah

[0:17:08] Voice 10: the trust policy statement is a what actually in other governments would be called your

[0:17:15] Voice 10: your growth strategy but here it was called a trust policy statement which is how you will

[0:17:21] Voice 10: manage the trust according to the mandate that you've been given and then the next level down

[0:17:27] Voice 10: is each official community plan and my laws go with it okay

[0:17:32] Voice 11: thank you it's very helpful

[0:17:38] Voice 14: I'm sorry I have to ask some more budget questions, I want to thank you both for clarifying what

[0:17:45] Voice 14: you're going to capitalize upon it.

[0:17:49] Voice 14: My first issue has to do with the presentation to the public and the document that was available

[0:17:57] Voice 14: shows a budget, but it doesn't show any comparators, it doesn't show last year's for instance and

[0:18:04] Voice 14: And I'm not suggesting that they aren't available somewhere

[0:18:08] Voice 14: on your websites.

[0:18:08] Voice 14: But the document to which the public was led

[0:18:12] Voice 14: was simply a single column.

[0:18:15] Voice 14: Very unusual.

[0:18:16] Voice 14: It's unusual.

[0:18:19] Voice 14: I don't know how you reconcile it with GAP,

[0:18:23] because generally speaking, budget.

[0:18:26] But it's of any kind, at any level,

[0:18:29] offers some comparative data.

[0:18:31] Voice 14: so that the telemedicine has at least some

[0:18:34] Voice 14: to understand the magnitude of change.

[0:18:37] Voice 14: And I'm, as one person on Saterna,

[0:18:42] Voice 14: I'm asking the trust to republish that

[0:18:46] Voice 14: and show last year's numbers on a fairer basis

[0:18:49] Voice 14: so that at least Saterna has a fighting chance

[0:18:52] Voice 14: of understanding where the increases are being allocated,

[0:18:56] Voice 14: et cetera, et cetera.

[0:18:58] Voice 14: My second question is this. It's a deficit budget. Your treatment of amortization of

[0:19:07] Voice 14: $201,000 is unusual. Again, I just refer it back to your accounting team, but it's not

[0:19:14] Voice 14: in accordance with GAF. And you've ended up with a deficit of about $471,000 funded by

[0:19:22] Voice 14: by various surplus pockets of cash you've got,

[0:19:26] Voice 14: how many, and again,

[0:19:28] any absence of information is driving into questions,

[0:19:31] how many more years can the trust go

[0:19:34] Voice 14: dipping into whatever silos you've got

[0:19:38] Voice 14: before you can't run at these kinds of levels?

[0:19:43] Voice 14: Because it's about, as best I can guess,

[0:19:45] Voice 14: it's about a million bucks differential year over year.

[0:19:49] Voice 14: That's big money.

[0:19:51] Voice 14: about how that you're financing on the deficit when when does those cash reserves or search

[0:19:59] Voice 14: funds when do they end what are their balances well

[0:20:02] Voice 10: unfortunately they're kind of topped up every

[0:20:06] Voice 10: year in the sense that we budget because we are unrealistic in our planning and our aspirations

[0:20:14] Voice 10: we end up at the end of the year not spending money, which was allocated to projects.

[0:20:20] Voice 10: And that money goes back into the surplus fund and then it's drawn out the following year.

[0:20:28] Voice 10: So it's not, there are emergency surplus funds that you have to keep at a certain level,

[0:20:36] Voice 10: which are for kind of rainy day events.

[0:20:40] Voice 10: But over and above that, you do end up, at the end of the year, underspending, putting

[0:20:46] Voice 10: money into this reserves and then drawing it out.

[0:20:51] Voice 10: And that's not a good way to budget and plan, which everybody acknowledges.

[0:20:56] Voice 10: So we have, you know, we have very good financial staff who are doing their best, we've beefed

[0:21:05] Voice 10: done there to try and get better budgeting and corporate planning mechanisms in place

[0:21:16] Voice 10: so we track and plan better than we have and so that this cycle of putting money in and

[0:21:24] Voice 10: getting it back out you know that's one of the issues that needs to be brought up but

[0:21:29] Voice 10: I'm not really I can't speak to the elements of the budget in any detail without starting

[0:21:35] Voice 10: in front of me beyond that

[0:21:37] Voice 12: well

[0:21:38] Voice 14: that's simply the follow-up it's a fair question at least

[0:21:42] Voice 14: that's for balance for balance sheet i mean we've got an open fair accountants there's no balance

[0:21:47] Voice 14: sheet we don't know what the reserves are the question remains you don't know how many or

[0:21:53] Voice 14: didn't go over the deficit um and listen i

[0:21:56] Voice 14: i in some sense i appreciate with the greatest respect

[0:22:00] Voice 14: But I'm preaching to the choir.

[0:22:01] Voice 14: Both of you people voted against this.

[0:22:03] Voice 14: So the irritation is more broadly

[0:22:07] Voice 14: directed at an organization that has basically

[0:22:11] Voice 14: failed to deliver transparently how the federal

[0:22:16] Voice 14: and the million dollar show has changed year over year

[0:22:22] Voice 14: and what your capacity is to continue with deficit financing.

[0:22:26] Voice 14: say um chairman i would leave it to you but i think those are i think those are legitimate

[0:22:35] Voice 14: questions to push back on and ask for more transparency um and not just simply give us

[0:22:43] Voice 14: a single column that's it so

[0:22:45] Trustee Maude: and certainly i i will i'm in the office tomorrow so i will

[0:22:49] Trustee Maude: and we'll be providing the direction for that because we have top-notch finance, our founding

[0:22:56] Trustee Maude: teams are very, very good and the documentation that we have in the decision-making process

[0:23:01] Trustee Maude: is excellent but it sounds like the public-facing document is not.

[0:23:06] Voice 10: It actually

[0:23:08] Voice 14: failed, yeah.

[0:23:09] Voice 14: It's blunt on this, it's not informed, generally accepted accounting principles, so I'll leave

[0:23:16] Voice 14: it at that.

[0:23:16] Voice 14: To

[0:23:17] Voice 10: be fair, financial planning meetings and the next financial planning meeting, and you're going to speak at the public comment section.

[0:23:36] Voice 14: but

[0:23:37] Trustee Maude: the thing is but without this feedback we don't know I mean this is like honestly

[0:23:44] Trustee Maude: we still and what we stare at is the back of the house it's like the financial stuff that we're

[0:23:52] Trustee Maude: doing is it's so transparent it is so detailed it is so phenomenally great that we don't have

[0:23:59] Trustee Maude: insurance but then when you're telling me the public facing document the front of house stuff

[0:24:04] Trustee Maude: isn't serving this purpose well that concerns me but also i know it's eminently fixable because

[0:24:10] Trustee Maude: the stuff we get is phenomenal well

[0:24:12] Voice 14: and to simple's point i'm very sympathetic to is

[0:24:15] Voice 14: we're looking at this and saying he said he stopped got cut on the floor and we're scratching

[0:24:20] Voice 14: your head saying well what specifically i mean it just is not hopeful to a public that's trying to

[0:24:27] Voice 14: be informed yeah

[0:24:28] Trustee Maude: go very long sorry but that's we we simply appreciate the feedback because

[0:24:34] Trustee Maude: as i said we're looking on the other side of the screen and so you know if you're telling us

[0:24:39] Trustee Maude: something's different on your side of the week we're fixed because because i just as i say i

[0:24:45] Trustee Maude: know the amount of stuff that we get is really good so there's no reason why you can't see the

[0:24:50] Trustee Maude: really good stuff.

[0:24:52] Voice 11: Who is responsible for putting that in? Just putting it up?

[0:24:59] Trustee Maude: Well, that would be our communications staff. Okay.

[0:25:03] Trustee Maude: Big, so basically, they will ask finance to generate a document

[0:25:08] Trustee Maude: and that's what gets put on. So I think it's just literally, you

[0:25:13] Trustee Maude: know, if we want more, we'll get it.

[0:25:15] Trustee Maude: Having

[0:25:15] Voice 10: said that, when it was cancelled and at the Executive Committee and at the National Committee, they constantly discuss what should be in the communication packages.

[0:25:25] Voice 10: And it's probably in March, the communication budget, then there'll be, when you get your tax demand, there'll be something in there that will be cancelled.

[0:25:36] Voice 10: And the content that goes into that is constantly discussed, and it vacillates between

[0:25:42] Voice 10: everybody goes into too much detail to, oh, that's not enough.

[0:25:47] Voice 10: It's a bit of a hard thing, but I agree with you.

[0:25:51] Voice 10: If you want more information, it is available, and we can certainly look at what you were given

[0:25:56] Voice 10: and consider the questions you've asked.

[0:25:59] Voice 10: Well,

[0:26:00] Trustee Maude: certainly the two-colour concept, that's not complicated.

[0:26:03] Trustee Maude: Because you need to be able to compare, you've got to understand, this is where we were last

[0:26:09] Trustee Maude: year, this is where this year, that's common sense to me, so I'm sure that's not the

[0:26:14] Trustee Maude: requirement.

[0:26:15] Trustee Maude: And a balance sheet can be helpful,

[0:26:17] Voice 14: because that answers the question of how many more

[0:26:19] Voice 14: years you can go before you're out of cash.

[0:26:22] Voice 10: And what changed from one year to the next.

[0:26:25] Voice 10: I mean, we do have a lot of information, but we're just short.

[0:26:28] Voice 10: so

[0:26:29] Trustee Maude: I have one more thing for my list

[0:26:30] Trustee Maude: I will bring that forward

[0:26:33] Trustee Maude: for good people to turn it

[0:26:34] Trustee Maude: and you're still smiling

[0:26:36] Voice 14: I will do my best

[0:26:40] Voice 14: anybody else

[0:26:43] Voice 14: you're looking

[0:26:44] Trustee Maude: like you

[0:26:45] Voice 12: wanted to say something

[0:26:46] Voice 12: this is not necessarily relevant to the current

[0:26:48] Voice 12: topic but

[0:26:50] Voice 12: in the revision

[0:26:51] Voice 12: new statement

[0:26:53] Voice 12: plan

[0:26:53] Voice 13: going forward

[0:26:58] Voice 12: I hope

[0:27:01] Voice 12: that the trust mandate that includes local responsive government is not in any way played

[0:27:12] Voice 12: down. It would go the other way and be played up so that local business, island business,

[0:27:23] Voice 12: day-to-day stuff that makes our islands and keeps them going, it doesn't suffer massive

[0:27:29] Voice 12: of delays in the staffing time and in other areas that are required to make that conform and that's

[0:27:37] Voice 12: certainly not

[0:27:40] Trustee Maude: the intent and the the new document as opposed to the existing trust policy state

[0:27:47] Trustee Maude: i think it's a lot smoother it's a lot more streamlined and a lot more like readable

[0:27:53] Trustee Maude: um so the intent is to to follow your wishes but again that first meeting is back out with

[0:28:03] Trustee Maude: other programs so we really really want feedback it's a positive and negative because we we need

[0:28:10] Trustee Maude: to get finished but we we also we need to get finished right so if people don't say anything

[0:28:16] Trustee Maude: then we blindly go forward so get your magnifying glass out and your highlighter and your red pen

[0:28:22] Trustee Maude: And

[0:28:23] Voice 10: it's not too long but I'll put something in the script there and talk about the process

[0:28:29] Voice 10: of you know working on it at the moment and maybe there are drafts available that people can look at

[0:28:38] Voice 10: so I think

[0:28:39] Voice 11: that's worthwhile. There's about six of us here. Yeah I hope you have that more broadly.

[0:28:45] Voice 11: Yeah and

[0:28:46] Trustee Maude: certainly if you take the time to look over the Alistair's webpage I know they have been

[0:28:52] Trustee Maude: so detailed

[0:28:54] Trustee Maude: about getting almost every piece

[0:28:56] Trustee Maude: of correspondence in that trust

[0:28:58] Trustee Maude: policy statement section

[0:29:00] Trustee Maude: so you can see how we've landed, where

[0:29:02] Trustee Maude: we've landed and it's

[0:29:04] Trustee Maude: pretty detailed. There's a lot of red

[0:29:06] Trustee Maude: line copies and such others

[0:29:08] Trustee Maude: so

[0:29:10] Trustee Maude: the data, I'm very pleased with

[0:29:12] Trustee Maude: how they've handled the communication stuff

[0:29:14] Trustee Maude: as far as being accessible to the public

[0:29:16] Trustee Maude: but it does take

[0:29:18] Trustee Maude: there's a lot of stuff there so it does

[0:29:20] Trustee Maude: take time.

[0:29:22] Trustee Maude: All right. Yeah. Very good. All right. We shall move on. We have a communication, community

[0:29:33] Trustee Maude: information meeting, short-term vacation rentals policy and options.

[0:29:39] Voice 15: Mr. Dingman, by law enforcement manager, Dingman should be...

[0:29:43] Trustee Maude: We have seen

[0:29:44] Voice 15: him come on

[0:29:45] Trustee Maude: the street. Through the magic of technology, we have Mr. Dingman

[0:29:49] Trustee Maude: with us. So, Mr. Dingman, I'll hand it over to you to bring us on board with this.

[0:29:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Good afternoon, Chair, Local Trust Committee.

[0:30:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: What we've done today is provide you a staff report and a proposed bylaw compliance and enforcement policy.

[0:30:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The staff report starts on page 66.

[0:30:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The policy itself, the proposed policy for compliance and enforcement starts on page 69.

[0:30:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And the short-term vacation rental policy that has been written into this policy is on page 70.

[0:30:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it's under section 4

[0:30:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for priorities

[0:30:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it's 4.2

[0:30:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and I can go through

[0:30:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I will go through the

[0:30:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the five circumstances here

[0:30:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where there would be

[0:30:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: enforcement against short-term vacation rentals

[0:30:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and what it states is

[0:30:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there will be no enforcement against

[0:30:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: unlawful short-term vacation rentals

[0:30:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: except in the following circumstances

[0:30:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: 4.2.1 is there's no resident owner

[0:31:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or operator on the property. 422, there are non-permitted dwellings used for the STVR

[0:31:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: without a resident owner being present on the property. 423, there is a complaint made by a

[0:31:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: representative of an improvement district and it concerns overuse of water. 424 states that there

[0:31:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is a written complaint by owners or residents in the immediate neighborhood about bona fide

[0:31:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: nuisance issues such as noise or parking congestion related to the stbr and 425 is there is

[0:31:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: evidence that the short-term vacation rental is causing an overuse of the septic system

[0:31:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: these this is uh it may be almost exactly the same as the policy has been adopted on main

[0:31:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and it's uh very similar to previous policies they're adopting through standing resolution

[0:31:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: especially regarding the concerns for the overuse of water

[0:31:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: within the improvement districts.

[0:32:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We don't, I will check the files here.

[0:32:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I don't believe we received any recent complaints

[0:32:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: about short-term vacation rentals on Saturna.

[0:32:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And I don't believe we even have, no.

[0:32:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So there's three files open for Saturna at the moment

[0:32:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and none of them involve short-term vacation rentals.

[0:32:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so we don't receive regular complaints about them.

[0:32:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There was no wish by the previous local trust committee

[0:32:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to do proactive enforcement against short-term vacation rental.

[0:32:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So these current policies that are proposed

[0:32:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would be what the local trust committee can consider

[0:32:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and use going forward for any enforcement

[0:32:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that they may wish to have against short-term vacation rentals.

[0:32:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Um, I will note that, uh, the local trust committee does have the option each, each year to opt in to the provincial principal residency requirement, which you would need to do before March 31st of each year and notify the province that you wish to opt in.

[0:33:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: um with that requirement if uh the ltc opted in then that principle there may be some short-term

[0:33:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: vacation rentals operating on saturn where there is no resident owner and then they would have to

[0:33:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: comply with that requirement or the province would pursue with their enforcement for not meeting those

[0:33:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regulations. I think that's the basics that I have for you at the moment. I can take any questions.

[0:33:47] Trustee Maude: Just

[0:33:48] Voice 10: for clarity, there's two different pathways. One is to opt into provincial

[0:33:58] Voice 10: then and the other one is to, we have the standard policy that's being developed and

[0:34:07] Voice 10: And this is an element of it which we could adopt into our bylaw.

[0:34:13] Voice 10: Is that the deal, Warren?

[0:34:15] Voice 10: So through

[0:34:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the chair, this is just a policy that you adopted.

[0:34:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can adopt.

[0:34:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's not a bylaw.

[0:34:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It wouldn't become an administrative bylaw and it wouldn't become part of your land use bylaw.

[0:34:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: This is just a policy that you can amend at any time.

[0:34:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can relax it and make it more strict.

[0:34:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: depending on what you feel the needs of the community are

[0:34:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regarding concerns around short-term vacation rentals.

[0:34:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So those are, yes, they're your two options.

[0:34:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can let the province try and tackle the enforcement issue,

[0:34:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or you can keep with your own policies

[0:34:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and decide which direction you want to go.

[0:34:58] Voice 10: Yeah, interestingly, I think Salisbury

[0:35:00] Voice 10: opted into the big hammer, which is the province,

[0:35:04] Voice 10: and Main Island chose to go with this.

[0:35:09] Voice 10: I think only

[0:35:10] Trustee Maude: Main and Gabriola

[0:35:12] Trustee Maude: adopted the provincial, I believe, order.

[0:35:15] Voice 10: Salt Spring and Gabriola.

[0:35:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: That's correct. Salt Spring and Gabriola.

[0:35:18] Voice 10: Okay, and Main have gone.

[0:35:20] Voice 10: You just said Main.

[0:35:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So

[0:35:22] Voice 10: there's policy here.

[0:35:24] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:35:28] Voice 5: Any questions?

[0:35:30] Voice 5: No, all good so far in Cuba.

[0:35:33] Voice 5: Okay, yeah.

[0:35:34] Voice 10: It's just anybody from the floor.

[0:35:36] Voice 10: This is a question on the policy aspect. Policy is usually, it's not a law. Is it a law under, you know, I

[0:35:46] Voice 11: don't know what the regulations say. I think it's just policy, right?

[0:35:52] Voice 15: it's a it's a bylaw enacted by the trust council but it is meant to be policy guidance not

[0:36:02] Voice 15: regulatory just like your ocp is intended to be broad policy guidance for how your

[0:36:09] Voice 15: community wants to function and act and all these different ways around that use

[0:36:14] Voice 15: and the bylaw is where it embeds those regulatory requirements so in this case

[0:36:20] Voice 15: the trust mandated preserve and protect is this high level uh legislative requirements

[0:36:27] Voice 15: within the islands trust act to mobilize that the trust policy yes underneath that to provide some

[0:36:34] Voice 15: more construction context around how that preservative protect mandate is interpreted

[0:36:42] Voice 15: And then the OCP is all that are intended to fall within that trust policy to provide more guidance, but also, and then, of course, the land use bylaws, it's kind of like a pyramid from the Islands Trust Act down to the implementation of the regulatory bylaws.

[0:37:08] Voice 15: Oh,

[0:37:10] Voice 11: sorry. I think I'm following on Jean's question. I don't quite understand, Brad.

[0:37:17] Voice 11: So if there is a distressing amount of noise coming in, it's obvious that there is not an owner on hand.

[0:37:25] Voice 11: And who would the close neighbors go to to say,

[0:37:37] Voice 11: where is there an easy slide from a neighbor complaining?

[0:37:40] Voice 11: Not an easy slide, but what's the next step if neighbors are complaining

[0:37:44] Voice 11: and there isn't a person on hand that lives where the STVR is?

[0:37:51] Voice 11: Where does the rubber hit the road that somebody comes and says,

[0:37:55] Voice 11: are you not in compliance?

[0:38:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so if anyone on saturn is concerned about a short-term vacation rental for whatever reason

[0:38:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they will submit a complaint to island's trust on our website it's referred to as report of concern

[0:38:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we'll open a file and investigate and then policy this policy will dictate if it's adopted

[0:38:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: how we enforce or if we do actually enforce on this particular operation so if one of the

[0:38:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: criteria is met well enforcement will proceed then enforcement will proceed you know say if

[0:38:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: someone the immediate neighbors are saying yeah there's nuisance issues such as noise and it is

[0:38:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: an unlawful operation so we'll request that they cease operation

[0:38:39] Voice 11: line for at some point

[0:38:42] Voice 11: their action

[0:38:43] Trustee Maude: and i will say both sincerity and honest trust the by the way of course the

[0:38:49] Trustee Maude: complaint process is really good because it's an easy search and it's like it's like one minute

[0:38:55] Trustee Maude: you fill the form up is submitted and so as long as you're a real person submitting a real complaint

[0:39:01] Trustee Maude: they do a really good job investigating

[0:39:02] Voice 10: it's too easy well

[0:39:04] Trustee Maude: well the main thing i think and we're

[0:39:08] Trustee Maude: very good about that it's a real person because the

[0:39:11] Trustee Maude: people who tend to make the silly complaints

[0:39:13] Trustee Maude: tend not to sign their name so

[0:39:15] Voice 11: you know i just want to be sure that at some point there would

[0:39:18] Voice 11: would be some tangible redress

[0:39:20] Voice 11: if there was a real problem with something, issue.

[0:39:25] Voice 11: Okay, great. Thank you.

[0:39:28] Trustee Maude: All right, Kelsey, is there anything

[0:39:29] Voice 11: else on this?

[0:39:30] Voice 10: No, I'm happy.

[0:39:32] Voice 10: I just wanted to, you know, explore this, you know, new policy.

[0:39:38] Voice 10: What I am looking at again, Warren,

[0:39:41] Voice 10: is above that, that currently we have,

[0:39:45] Voice 10: at any reasonable time,

[0:39:46] Voice 10: and after having given 24 hours prior notification.

[0:39:50] Voice 10: And we are very keen to change that, as you know.

[0:39:55] Voice 10: And when and how does that get changed to what we asked for?

[0:40:03] Voice 10: And how do you place this?

[0:40:05] Voice 10: Where does it need to be changed to make it absolutely bulletproof

[0:40:09] Voice 10: that it is not 24 hours, it's two weeks?

[0:40:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So through the chair, within the policy in Section 5, 5.2,

[0:40:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: states that the policy is to be if adopted 30 days notice and that's through policy what the

[0:40:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: direction to the bylaw officer as far as arranging inspections if you want it stricter than that you

[0:40:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would need to amend your land use bylaw or develop a new bylaw investigation administrative bylaw

[0:40:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and then eventually it'll be consolidated into the land use bylaw requiring the 30 days but the

[0:40:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The recommendation from staff is that you should not do that early.

[0:40:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You want to allow yourself the maximum flexibility.

[0:40:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You should establish it as a policy.

[0:41:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Because if you put it into your land use bylaw that there must be a 30-day notice,

[0:41:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and if you put it in there without exceptions, so make it ironclad,

[0:41:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: then if there's something more urgent than comes up, then we're stuck.

[0:41:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we're stuck we can't go back and say okay we're going to do an inspection at less than 30 days

[0:41:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: of course unless they consent because you've placed it into the land use bylaw and are making

[0:41:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it a regulation within it and so the recommendation is to establish a policy that says okay we're

[0:41:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: going to give the minimum 30 days but

[0:41:36] Voice 10: how does the reverse work when you know somebody reads

[0:41:41] Voice 10: the land use by-law and sees 24 hours

[0:41:45] Voice 10: and becomes anxious about that,

[0:41:47] Voice 10: how will they know that actually the policy says 30 days?

[0:41:52] Voice 10: So the policy authorizes the land use by-law.

[0:41:56] Trustee Maude: I see Mr. Kajima's got his hand up,

[0:41:59] Trustee Maude: so he might be able to tell the lawyers.

[0:42:01] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[0:42:02] Voice 2: So Trustee Boland's initial question

[0:42:05] Voice 2: about how to amend or when or how to amend

[0:42:08] Voice 2: the land use by-law is,

[0:42:10] Voice 2: First of all, make sure it's on your future projects list, and then it can either be a one-off short project, or you could potentially include an amendment to the land use bylaw in, you know, another land use bylaw amendment that you're undertaking.

[0:42:27] Voice 2: And, you know, how that land use bylaw is actually worded, my recommendation is what Warren said in the staff report, but you would just, you know, you would consider deliberate on that at the time.

[0:42:41] Voice 10: so mine is more about how does this work in the sense that should we have a melange spiral

[0:42:47] Voice 10: and at a notice period see the policy statement see the policy that governs that rather than the

[0:42:56] Voice 10: 24 hours in there and 30 days in policy that's the bit i don't understand unless

[0:43:02] Voice 10: i'm misunderstanding everything anybody else possibly to put a vote

[0:43:07] Voice 5: oh that's a good question to clarify for sure yeah

[0:43:12] Voice 10: if we don't amend the land use bylaw and it says 24 hours and we do adopt the policy that

[0:43:20] Voice 10: says 30 days how does that work on the ground so

[0:43:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair so here's another policy that the ltc

[0:43:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: could adopt you could say with any notice letter of an open file it will state this 30-day policy

[0:43:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: policy we can we can in fact we could if you really we could forward the entire policy to

[0:43:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: any resident of saturn if they have a bylaw complaint against them and they receive a

[0:43:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: notice letter we can provide them with the whole policy i don't think that that's a major

[0:43:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: administrative issue so they would have it with them and we can put it right into the letter

[0:43:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is that you we're going to give you 30 days notice before any inspection

[0:44:07] Voice 10: I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I'm trying to

[0:44:10] Voice 10: understand how, who and under what

[0:44:14] Voice 10: circumstances would decide that the 30 days wasn't relevant and we needed to do 24 hours?

[0:44:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Well, the LTC decides through your policy.

[0:44:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's entirely at your discretion.

[0:44:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So

[0:44:28] Voice 10: 24 hours would never apply without an LTC meeting to agree that it was needed to be more urgent.

[0:44:36] Voice 10: And you can never get hold of you

[0:44:38] Voice 11: on the phone anyway, so it's going to be forever.

[0:44:40] Voice 10: Is that what we're saying? That only the LTC can override that 24-hour notification?

[0:44:46] Voice 2: Correct. Chair?

[0:44:48] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:44:49] Voice 2: Yeah, so that's correct. Until such time as you amend your land use bylaw.

[0:44:55] Voice 2: and if someone were to make a complaint

[0:44:59] Voice 2: and then say, well, it says in the bylaw 24 hours notice,

[0:45:04] Voice 2: why isn't the bylaw officer out there on the 25th hour?

[0:45:07] Voice 2: The bylaw officer or manager, Warren, would respond

[0:45:10] Voice 2: and say, well, the LTC has adopted this policy.

[0:45:12] Voice 2: Here's a copy of it that has modified this bylaw provision

[0:45:19] Voice 2: because of, as explains in the policy,

[0:45:22] Voice 2: through there's limited resources,

[0:45:24] Voice 2: etc so on a case-by-case basis um if that ever arose and i'm not sure it ever would but if it

[0:45:32] Voice 2: does arise you know it would be explained to the person um making that um demand if you like

[0:45:40] Trustee Maude: so okay i guess my question would be if something does come up that is considered by staff to be

[0:45:49] Trustee Maude: urgent what would be the mechanism um for my staff to be empowered to react quicker

[0:45:59] Trustee Maude: is there anything embedded in there or it's 30 days 30 days so

[0:46:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: as a chair you can put the

[0:46:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: exceptions in to the policy yeah if you wish so that you just have that option and that would be

[0:46:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: be my recommendation if there's circumstances that you believe that are more urgent such as

[0:46:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: health and safety concerns uh which i think i've got it yes we have that in 5.3 there are more

[0:46:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: urgent things that environmental impact or irreversible damage to the environment as well

[0:46:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: as the health and safety issues uh so they may be investigated with 24 hours notice pursuant

[0:46:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to what's in the land use bylaw and so you can keep that section or you can remove that section

[0:46:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: just amend it as you feel necessary to deal with any specific circumstances that's of concern

[0:46:57] Voice 10: so my last follow-up question because i feel like i'm in a maze here and i'm going to meet

[0:47:02] Voice 10: myself coming back but it's why did we have that 24 hours in the land use bylaw at all

[0:47:09] Voice 10: Why would we not just say, see the policy on the notification period, and then you can

[0:47:17] Voice 10: change the notification period, you can refine it, you can do whatever you like, but you're

[0:47:22] Voice 10: not putting something in which is at odds with your policy, and will always be at odds

[0:47:30] Voice 10: with your policy.

[0:47:31] Trustee Maude: I think Mr. Kuchina will

[0:47:32] Trustee Maude: answer it, but it's the bottles there.

[0:47:35] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[0:47:36] Voice 2: Excellent. Excellent question through the chair to Trustee Boland. I don't know why it says 24 hours. All other land use bylaws don't say that. They say at reasonable times.

[0:47:47] Voice 2: Okay. So that will

[0:47:48] Voice 10: be, please add that follow-up action list of things to be, what did you say about, you know, if we're putting in another amendment, that one needs to be child privacy and definitely remove fashion inferred policy.

[0:48:07] Voice 6: Yes, I've got a bit more of an extensive right now on this.

[0:48:15] Voice 6: My belief is I'm very pleased with the policy, as Manager Dimon has presented, but I've been of the view, with apologies to staff, that this policy needs to be enshrined in the land use bylaw and the enabling bylaw.

[0:48:35] Voice 6: and so how exactly that is to be and i'm happy to have a discussion with staff further

[0:48:40] Voice 6: on this um is open at this point but uh the 24 hours came in courtesy of two local trust

[0:48:49] Voice 6: committees ago amending that um and i do believe given the way biological snow works on saturn

[0:48:56] Voice 6: which we've been well served by staff they've used a very respectful touch they've been very very

[0:49:03] Voice 6: very open to communication education we have no complaints at all um but I think that could be

[0:49:09] Voice 6: reflected actually in our in our land use bylaws with no degradation to the relationship between

[0:49:14] Voice 6: the community and my law enforcement or the local press committee so how best to do that I don't

[0:49:19] Voice 6: get no but I think that's what when we get to that section of the agenda that's what I'd be seeking

[0:49:25] Voice 6: to see happen okay all right so is

[0:49:29] Trustee Maude: that a seller yeah

[0:49:29] Voice 7: all

[0:49:30] Trustee Maude: right so thank you very much thank you

[0:49:33] Trustee Maude: i trust that we'll might be seeing you later on in the meeting yes so thank you for your time

[0:49:40] Trustee Maude: thank you

[0:49:41] Trustee Maude: thank you thank you thanks

[0:49:43] Voice 10: robert as well yes

[0:49:44] Trustee Maude: all right so now we have finished the

[0:49:48] Trustee Maude: for us. We have the Gotham Open Trust Committee minutes stated on January 16th for information.

[0:49:56] Trustee Maude: We have Section 26 Resolution on Leading to Report dated March 25th for your information.

[0:50:04] Trustee Maude: And then we have on page 13 follow-up action lists from April 2025. So I don't have anything

[0:50:26] Voice 10: I was doing

[0:50:30] Trustee Maude: some research yesterday, and I left, I think, two-year-old minutes open.

[0:50:35] Trustee Maude: And the follow-up action lesson was like really, really long and really, really dated.

[0:50:39] Trustee Maude: And it says something like, how is it like this?

[0:50:41] Trustee Maude: And then finally, they all look at it in one package.

[0:50:49] Trustee Maude: The housekeeping was not well done, and now it's very well done, so we much appreciate that.

[0:50:55] Trustee Maude: All right, so we don't have the first ones, so we're up to application referral on page 14.

[0:51:02] Trustee Maude: So we have PL- 2025-10121,

[0:51:12] Trustee Maude: I don't want to butcher that but it's

[0:51:15] Voice 3: just hilarious

[0:51:16] Voice 15: before we go there just sorry I'm

[0:51:21] Voice 15: coming up to the chair 11.1 I do in the follow-up action unless there was a staff to support

[0:51:29] Voice 15: LCC's drafting a letter to BC Parks Foundation green potential transfer of densities with

[0:51:34] Voice 15: to cattle and help ourselves but hasn't been done yet because i'm still really ready for ltc to

[0:51:41] Voice 15: write a first or maybe i'll

[0:51:42] Voice 6: just yeah when we get to that agenda point i got some guidance from how

[0:51:47] Voice 6: they think we should proceed in a kind of slightly less formal manner

[0:51:51] Voice 6: um seeking their advice first so we can talk about that

[0:52:07] Voice 15: so this is for the applicant is jordan litke of polaris uh surveying and this is for a pretty

[0:52:17] Voice 15: simple development variance permit for the adjustment of lock depth to width ratio for

[0:52:23] Voice 15: the subject property located at 100 and 101 pain road which you are now well familiar with as you

[0:52:30] Voice 15: provide rezoning approval already for this to enable this subdivision and now the applicants

[0:52:36] Voice 15: insert back with addressing this aspect of your development subdivision regulations.

[0:52:46] Voice 15: This is really the only requirement that the Islands Trust has placed that they haven't

[0:52:52] Voice 15: complied with yet for their application and so staff are recommending that you approve the

[0:52:58] Voice 15: variance for remainder lot B. And I'll pass it back to the chair. The consultant is available

[0:53:08] Voice 15: at 1pm, but I thought it was a pretty straightforward application, so we could probably work through

[0:53:13] Voice 15: it without him, but if you have any questions specific to him, we could defer to him and

[0:53:18] Voice 15: wait for him to respond. So,

[0:53:21] Voice 3: trust me, it's questions.

[0:53:24] this

[0:53:27] Voice 6: one is very i think just maybe just to note there was some correspondence around the the file

[0:53:34] Voice 6: but i think what happened i talked to one um one of the they said there's been some misunderstanding

[0:53:41] Voice 6: about what the application was for and i think it got tied up with the fact it was the drainage

[0:53:49] Voice 6: issue on the road this winter and so i just clarified that this really wasn't in any way

[0:53:55] Voice 6: affecting development or drainage or doing anything with the wetland area it was really

[0:54:02] Voice 6: completely separate from the physical circumstances of the wetland and so she was quite satisfied with

[0:54:07] Voice 6: that i thought she i thought she was potentially withdrawing letter um but you know she was not

[0:54:13] Voice 6: not able to come and so just to clarify that on the record that there really is no

[0:54:21] Voice 6: it's really just not in any way connected to sort of physical changes to the land

[0:54:26] Voice 6: that are albeit drainage construction otherwise

[0:54:30] Voice 14: yeah

[0:54:31] Voice 6: yeah yeah it was just a complete misunderstanding

[0:54:33] Voice 6: i think triggered by the fact that probably was drainage issues from the roadway with that winter

[0:54:40] Voice 6: yeah

[0:54:41] Voice 5: so well somebody want to make the motion yeah

[0:54:45] Voice 10: okay i moved the sachana island yoga trust

[0:54:48] Voice 10: commission to approve issuance of development variance prior application and ppl dvp 2025

[0:54:58] Voice 10: oh one two one second

[0:55:02] Trustee Maude: i second that which would be for the discussion

[0:55:04] Trustee Maude: all right and then we moved down to page 30 which is pldp 2025

[0:55:14] Trustee Maude: 25-0087 and back to planner smith page 30.

[0:55:22] Trustee Maude: Another cloud

[0:55:23] Voice 15: you're very familiar with of course. I believe that Hayes is on zoom if we need

[0:55:30] Voice 15: her we could maybe move her up to a delegate so that she can speak to the LTC if needed.

[0:55:37] Voice 15: it. So again, in relation to a subdivision application for the property on 201 Harris

[0:55:48] Voice 15: Road, with a proposal to subdivide the lot for Ms. Myers to give a large portion of the

[0:56:00] Voice 15: lot away and to keep the remainder for her existing cottage. We've already rezoned the

[0:56:05] Voice 15: property to take the densities into your tether through the goodwill of Ms. Meyers and now before

[0:56:12] Voice 15: you here is requirement again of your subdivision development guidelines or regulations requiring

[0:56:23] Voice 15: a development permit because there is bluffs located bluffs dp located within the subject

[0:56:29] Voice 15: property and all properties where subdivision is considered with plus DP

[0:56:36] Voice 15: requires a development permit and also for the remainder lot where the cabin

[0:56:40] Voice 15: will be kept there's a requirement for 10% road frontage and as you are aware

[0:56:51] Voice 15: where that is located it's not on the frontage so they are seeking a waiver

[0:56:55] Voice 15: from that requirement and so we have two recommendations before you and again the

[0:57:02] Voice 15: consultant is available at 1 p.m. but I thought it would be pretty straightforward for me to work through this so I'll turn back to you

[0:57:12] Voice 15: thank you Chair. Trustee? Yes this is absolutely long-standing support of what

[0:57:18] Voice 6: we've been trying to do with Judy and what she's been trying to do with the

[0:57:22] Voice 6: the um the need to trust the pc for whoever ill to basically the requirement has

[0:57:31] Voice 6: meant or her desire has meant that she's provided she's applied for a legal subdivision of her

[0:57:38] Voice 6: property which has led to the necessary process that this has been undertaken here of which this

[0:57:44] Voice 6: is one part so they're you know we're we're happy to facilitate this we on one way we wish there

[0:57:53] Voice 6: had been a an opportunity to maybe circumvent some of these requirements with low key but

[0:57:57] Voice 6: that was not our decision to make and so um um we will i think happily make these motion i can speak

[0:58:05] Voice 6: from there i don't think anybody like i can um i can do so down here so okay okay

[0:58:11] Voice 6: okay that i will move that the saturn island local trust committee provisions of development

[0:58:17] Voice 6: permit s8 that dp-2025-0087 looking second

[0:58:23] Voice 10: second for this session

[0:58:25] Voice 6: okay i'll move that uh saturn island local trust committee exam for me to allow one of

[0:58:34] Voice 6: the proposed subdivision of block one section five's turn island couch and this plan two five

[0:58:39] Voice 6: three six zero bid zero two dash six one four dash three eight three from the one tenth perimeter

[0:58:47] provision of section

[0:58:48] Voice 6: five one two of the local government act second second

[0:58:52] Voice 6: discussion

[0:58:56] Voice 6: that's one of the more technical motions

[0:59:04] Trustee Maude: You

[0:59:05] Voice 10: think he's safe in that way now?

[0:59:08] Trustee Maude: So perhaps I should reach out to Mr. Lifke.

[0:59:12] Trustee Maude: It's going to waste his time.

[0:59:15] Trustee Maude: Excellent.

[0:59:16] Trustee Maude: Well, that's wonderful.

[0:59:17] Trustee Maude: That's a great benefit to the community, I'm sure.

[0:59:20] Trustee Maude: The only, I think,

[0:59:21] Voice 6: concern now is she'll need to provide good performance.

[0:59:25] Voice 6: This is going to be foreshadowing future talk.

[0:59:28] Voice 6: She'll need to provide a piece of water,

[0:59:30] Voice 6: which she's a little bit concerned about.

[0:59:32] Voice 6: out so I don't know if we can work with her there or that's just something she's going to have to

[0:59:37] Voice 6: work through the process with the ministry on but that I think is her really only next hurdle

[0:59:43] Voice 6: I think after that I believe she's met I mean assuming that the approving officer

[0:59:52] Voice 6: agrees with the mapping of the driveway and the engineering work around that I guess that's the

[0:59:57] Voice 6: the other, the other hurdle, but anyway.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: deal with you persevered and um it sounds like it looks like it's working out mostly and

[1:00:07] Voice 10: i'd like to

[1:00:07] Voice 10: thank you and brad and other staff for making this happen happen and shepherding it along because i

[1:00:18] Voice 10: certainly have nothing to do with it other than waving my arms around going i support it so i

[1:00:23] Voice 10: know it's been quite a bit of work so thank you

[1:00:26] Voice 6: yeah and i think you were right and thanks to

[1:00:27] Voice 6: Brett for kind of saying you know kind of holding up the beacon to say there's no point sharp

[1:00:34] Voice 6: tilting at windmills with MOTI if the requirement that they have that under law we need to work with

[1:00:41] Voice 6: them as best as we can as opposed to throwing up our hands so you know under his kind of general

[1:00:46] Voice 6: guidance we've actually carried on and actually sort of moved along with MOTI's here in this

[1:00:52] Voice 6: regard and you know to to their credit it's unfolding as they as they said it would so

[1:00:59] Voice 11: well thank

[1:00:59] Voice 11: you i think it's a great one yeah yeah

[1:01:04] Voice 5: yeah yeah

[1:01:05] Voice 11: does that mean that the driveway has to go to we

[1:01:11] Voice 6: hope i mean if that does happen it really can

[1:01:14] Voice 6: proceed because that driver would cost we think about two and a half million dollars to build

[1:01:19] Voice 6: and that's just that kind of never mind ecological stopping you do when you build that

[1:01:26] Voice 6: private so what the Caribbean officer wanted I mean the grant is reinforced to me like she's

[1:01:32] Voice 6: being extremely careful to make sure she doesn't create a legal law that is quote unquote land

[1:01:39] Voice 6: that has no access to the public transportation system highway system and so in order to just

[1:01:46] Voice 6: rather than just say, yeah, you can build a driveway there if you ever needed to, she's

[1:01:49] Voice 6: wanting to prove that, can you actually build a driveway there?

[1:01:53] Voice 3: You mean physically or legally?

[1:01:56] Voice 6: Well, legally you can,

[1:01:58] Voice 6: of course, but not physically, because it's steep, as you

[1:02:02] Voice 6: know, and so she

[1:02:03] Voice 11: wanted... Oh, I know. I've

[1:02:05] Voice 11: walked up that hill

[1:02:06] Voice 11: many times.

[1:02:06] Voice 6: So she wanted more work to make

[1:02:09] Voice 6: that, and Brad could probably explain more.

[1:02:12] Voice 15: I would say the reality is that

[1:02:13] Voice 15: that they understand that the driveway would never be built as it would be millions of dollars to do

[1:02:18] Voice 15: so they're being pragmatic and trying to find a solution that meets the needs of

[1:02:24] Voice 15: the pao's mandate around ensuring every law has legal access right while also you know

[1:02:32] Voice 15: recognizing

[1:02:34] Voice 11: and what

[1:02:36] Voice 15: the proposal is which is really uh to preserve a small cabin and to give a huge

[1:02:41] Voice 15: chunk of property by public good. So they want to meet that mandate of course as well but they also

[1:02:48] Voice 15: have their other legal requirements and the keys for them are proof of water, access and septic

[1:03:00] Voice 15: are three like you know pillars that they just don't move very easily on which is for good

[1:03:07] Voice 15: in public policy reasons

[1:03:10] Voice 11: okay great thank you this

[1:03:17] Voice 10: has been very quick overall i mean it seems

[1:03:20] Voice 10: like it was only a year ago that judy was in college to talk to you yeah

[1:03:25] Voice 6: well it's been really

[1:03:27] Voice 6: several years but it was

[1:03:29] Voice 11: okay that's great

[1:03:31] Voice 6: i guess what happened was really in that it was

[1:03:37] Voice 6: the proponent effectively was the nature trust of bc who were seeking what's it called a section 90

[1:03:44] Voice 6: subdivision which is a subdivision in the public interest which means

[1:03:48] Voice 6: a bunch of these requirements would be laid but that was not yeah i mean it's just and then for

[1:03:54] Voice 6: purposes of inheritance we wanted it to be a legal law cabin as opposed to right of review

[1:03:59] Voice 6: there are new factors completely no one's fault that kind of swirled around to kind of create

[1:04:06] Voice 6: but a bit more drawn out process than we've had here so so

[1:04:09] Voice 11: still it will go to the nature trust

[1:04:12] Voice 6: the big bulk of the law yes indeed they're technically they're the ones paying for all

[1:04:17] Voice 6: this basically all the survey work and the and the application finding

[1:04:21] Voice 11: us water will be on judy's

[1:04:24] Voice 6: yeah we'll cross that bridge when we come to it i know that might let's hope that's not much of a

[1:04:29] Voice 6: bridge but yeah thank

[1:04:30] Voice 11: you just want to be sure it's locked in

[1:04:32] Voice 6: the

[1:04:34] Voice 12: water's apparently

[1:04:34] Voice 12: moving we didn't get the memo we should never look at a gift portion

[1:04:38] Voice 12: um

[1:04:39] Trustee Maude: okay hold on so pace 39

[1:04:45] Voice 11: i want you to know it's the big thing for the community this is

[1:04:47] Voice 11: wonderful i've

[1:04:49] Trustee Maude: heard wonderful things about this project this

[1:04:52] Trustee Maude: it's a term that is leading the way in preservation well

[1:04:56] Voice 11: with very generous

[1:04:57] Voice 11: so we

[1:05:01] Trustee Maude: have a basic diagram of my my advancing review project over to you thank

[1:05:07] Voice 15: you thank you

[1:05:08] Voice 15: chair so this is bringing back the staff report my new money housing amendments review project

[1:05:13] Voice 15: which is your current minor project at the last meeting uh staff presented by law 143

[1:05:21] Voice 15: for consideration by the LTC.

[1:05:25] Voice 15: Subsequent discussion by the LTC led to the resolution

[1:05:28] Voice 15: passed on page 40 of your package, which requested that staff

[1:05:34] Voice 15: provide options and considerations for

[1:05:36] Voice 15: shifting gears on your project to instead consider subdivision regulation

[1:05:40] Voice 15: standards. We spoke specifically for water supply, and that could be brought

[1:05:45] Voice 15: up to all your subdivision standards.

[1:05:48] Voice 15: standards. So there's a brief analysis of that. There is value in considering a project

[1:05:58] Voice 15: to update your subdivision standards. Water and septic are two in particular that you

[1:06:05] Voice 15: don't really address in your bylaws at all. And it would provide you some more local ability

[1:06:11] Voice 15: to kind of manage some of that.

[1:06:13] Voice 15: For example, you could provide variance

[1:06:16] Voice 15: around, you know, liters per day

[1:06:19] Voice 15: per water supply in a scenario

[1:06:21] Voice 15: that's reasonable and supported

[1:06:23] Voice 15: by a professional.

[1:06:25] Voice 15: That said, you're well on your way

[1:06:28] Voice 15: through the southern projects.

[1:06:30] Voice 15: I don't recommend that you pivot

[1:06:32] Voice 15: at this point.

[1:06:33] Voice 15: You would need several months

[1:06:34] Voice 15: to get your project going.

[1:06:36] Voice 15: Funding may not be available.

[1:06:37] Voice 15: That would have to be confirmed

[1:06:38] Voice 15: firm through the planning director, as well as given where you are in the firm, a review

[1:06:46] Voice 15: of your subdivision regulations would be a pretty complex piece of work, and it's unlikely

[1:06:50] Voice 15: that you could complete that work in this term. So staff instead recommend that you

[1:06:55] Voice 15: continue on with Bylaw 143 in whatever that looks like based on today's discussion. I

[1:07:06] Voice 15: know that you can reach out some or trust people and have some thoughts around that uh

[1:07:13] Voice 15: and so recommending that you move forward with file 143

[1:07:18] Voice 15: uh i think but uh recommendation two is is a recommendation but really only if you want to

[1:07:27] Voice 15: pursue that work and we've had several questions around what festivals only might look like

[1:07:34] Voice 15: uh but that would be a whole other avenue of exploration and work to get to uh other zoning

[1:07:41] Voice 15: changes that would probably require also a new cpm in it uh staff also recommend that you add

[1:07:48] Voice 15: a review this subdivision regulations to the future projects list as there is significant

[1:07:54] Voice 15: value in pursuing that back to you chair trustee

[1:07:59] Trustee Maude: who wants to lead off the discussion

[1:08:01] Voice 10: so

[1:08:02] Voice 10: So on the positive side, I feel like the data set has been updated and corrected to new data.

[1:08:13] Voice 10: So we have a good map of the areas that are vulnerable to saltwater intrusion,

[1:08:24] Voice 10: which I really believe is the big vulnerability to water on the Sturgeon,

[1:08:28] Voice 10: I mean down the coast in particular areas the risk of soil pollution exists and we have to manage

[1:08:37] Voice 10: that. So I know that 80 new parcels have been identified. Does that include or exclude the 18

[1:08:47] Voice 10: on East Point? Is the 18 net or? It is net and just beyond

[1:08:52] Voice 15: that the scrubs, the total number of

[1:08:55] Voice 15: Yeah,

[1:08:56] Voice 10: 61. So it's not a huge gain but it doesn't mean that the data is correct and it is saltwater,

[1:09:07] Voice 10: it indicates where saltwater is at risk of intruding. And the one thing I still have

[1:09:17] Voice 10: with respect to that is that I believe that the water system areas like the Group of 30 and

[1:09:31] Voice 10: Blackbird Estates and Oak Point Farm were automatically excluded over and above whether

[1:09:39] Voice 10: there was a risk of so-called intrusion or not. Is that correct? It was stated in the last one but

[1:09:47] Voice 10: i'm not sure it's explicitly stated here so specifically if you're assuming like that

[1:10:02] Voice 6: no not the code the whole point farm or the saturnish doors and the group of 30

[1:10:09] Voice 6: systems the private water systems you know what you mean yeah yeah

[1:10:14] Voice 15: so all of them didn't change

[1:10:17] Voice 15: change from the new data set. So, and then they're not permitted in the current schedule

[1:10:24] Voice 15: EMAP. So that's how we land there for the, for the, uh, for the winery. And then the

[1:10:34] Voice 15: other inquiry was which one? The parcels up along East Point Road, that water system,

[1:10:42] Voice 15: small water system then? Yeah. So they're not included, not permitted now and most

[1:10:52] Voice 14: of them were.

[1:10:58] Voice 10: So my question is would they have been excluded by the saltwater vulnerability map or were they

[1:11:07] Voice 10: excluded additionally because in the original schedule a

[1:11:10] Voice 15: bunch of them have yellow on them.

[1:11:12] Voice 10: Okay. I would have preferred if they were allowed to make their own decision because many of them, like the group of 13, their water supply would come from wells that are well in that, like they're not, there may be a part of their property on the coast, but their water supply and water supply is well regulated by L&L, etc.

[1:11:38] Voice 10: I think the last go round, their water systems were deemed to be less well regulated than the CRD one.

[1:11:47] Voice 10: And therefore, they were all kind of bundled into this exclusion.

[1:11:51] Voice 10: I know that on Trueworthy Road, the straddle there has a regulation that doesn't allow secondary squeeze, which is quite reasonable.

[1:12:02] Voice 10: You're along the coast and you took that decision yourself, separately.

[1:12:06] Voice 10: quickly and but you know I think about the back end of the group of 30 and think they're way in

[1:12:13] Voice 10: from the coast and their wells are well you know inland their water system and however having said

[1:12:22] Voice 10: all of that I think we should just go with the mountains it is it's an improvement and it's more

[1:12:29] Voice 10: more accurate. And, you know, maybe there are places where houses are yet to be built

[1:12:37] Voice 10: that will now be able to include a secondary suite and a design. So although it's not a

[1:12:45] Voice 10: huge increase, at least it's better and it's more founded in something that's defensible.

[1:12:54] Voice 10: So, yeah, I support that. However, the next ticket, sorry, go ahead.

[1:12:59] Voice 10: sorry just

[1:13:00] Voice 14: a question of factual clarification um page 42 of magenta showed the data set

[1:13:10] Voice 14: we're reading this correctly old versus new uh more marine or less simply thread um page 44 then

[1:13:22] Voice 14: then, is Brad's new proposed draft.

[1:13:28] Voice 14: And to your earlier question, Trustee Murray,

[1:13:35] Voice 14: I'm reading Brad's new draft to show that the CRE water

[1:13:40] Voice 14: system, the 156 foot up, it's the new supply system,

[1:13:47] Voice 14: is going to be permitted to apply for a secondary suite.

[1:13:53] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:13:53] Voice 9: So,

[1:13:54] Voice 14: and under the old, under the previous Schedule E, they were not.

[1:14:04] Voice 14: They were.

[1:14:05] Voice 9: They were the only area with the water system that's where they had it.

[1:14:12] Voice 14: Okay, hence the net number of 80.

[1:14:16] Voice 14: That's enough.

[1:14:17] Voice 14: Yeah,

[1:14:17] Voice 15: as opposed to 80 plus 156.

[1:14:20] Voice 15: The 156 were included in the current Schedule E, so you can have a second object this week.

[1:14:25] Voice 15: so it's 80

[1:14:27] Voice 15: parcels outside

[1:14:28] Voice 15: thank you

[1:14:31] Voice 15: yeah

[1:14:32] Voice 10: and

[1:14:35] Voice 10: something

[1:14:36] Voice 10: so I think

[1:14:38] Voice 10: I think

[1:14:40] Voice 10: I've read so much of this I don't even know

[1:14:43] Voice 10: where it is anymore but I think

[1:14:44] Voice 10: it's worth having

[1:14:47] Voice 10: something that says

[1:14:49] Voice 10: an explanation that says

[1:14:51] Voice 10: this is primarily based on

[1:14:53] Voice 10: intuition

[1:14:53] Voice 10: from intuition intuition and the crd water system something that explains the map a little more

[1:15:01] Voice 10: i'm just

[1:15:04] Voice 11: considering um so the saltwater fund map uh that diana allen put out and uh i think that

[1:15:15] Voice 11: it was sent around to all of you and she explained she carefully went back and looked at the different

[1:15:24] Voice 11: I can't remember if there is a word for this, that you form a conclusion by emphasizing by either coagulating certain data points, whether they're very large or very small.

[1:15:38] Voice 11: and she went through the New Island Trust one and said why there was a

[1:15:45] Voice 11: divergence between her math and the conclusions she reached and the

[1:15:51] Voice 11: conclusions that the trust person reached. And I was certainly more

[1:15:58] Voice 11: comfortable with the conclusions that she reached given the data that she had.

[1:16:01] Voice 11: Did everybody read that? Because I got that and sent it. I didn't send it to you.

[1:16:05] Voice 11: I

[1:16:05] Voice 10: did, but just it's not the conclusions the trust person reached.

[1:16:09] Voice 10: The trust map is now based on the new provincial data.

[1:16:15] Voice 10: So the province reinterpreted and reworked their own data.

[1:16:21] Voice 10: And the trust reacted to that and responded.

[1:16:27] Voice 10: So we didn't actually create data ourselves or do an interpretation.

[1:16:32] Voice 10: I'm

[1:16:33] Voice 11: saying that the conclusions that were reached were different as to how broad the

[1:16:37] Voice 11: scope was with what was used.

[1:16:40] Voice 11: And that's pretty critical to, you're looking to base for the broad decisions, you have

[1:16:48] Voice 11: different ways of calculating and interpreting the data.

[1:16:52] Voice 11: So I just want that to be really clear.

[1:16:56] Voice 10: sure but it's all within the purview of the provincial hydrologists who reinterpreted that

[1:17:04] Voice 10: data and put out a new map and a new data set and we responded to that and also in the pre anyway

[1:17:14] Voice 10: you know what this is the community information meeting that we have already so i don't think we

[1:17:19] Voice 10: should go back there to be honest i think so the

[1:17:25] Voice 15: 2017 data was created by the province and the

[1:17:28] Voice 15: islands trust used that data to create their their old map the province the same professionals in the

[1:17:35] Voice 15: province have updated their mapping to 2021 version and so now the islands trust is updating

[1:17:43] Voice 15: their mapping to reflect what presumably is a more accurate set of data from the province having

[1:17:50] Voice 15: uh re-reviewed their methodology whether it is or not of course it's all methodology so

[1:17:57] Voice 15: so well

[1:18:01] Voice 11: you see what my concern is i don't understand your concern to be honest great

[1:18:05] Voice 11: i appreciate that genuine response thank you

[1:18:10] Voice 10: okay so um the one thing that's happened in the meantime

[1:18:16] Voice 10: time is that we can move on to some other aspects of this. There was a recommendation

[1:18:23] Voice 10: around sistering storage on all of the island and I don't support that because I think most

[1:18:34] Voice 10: of the island doesn't need that enclosed in the interior area. So I think in the area

[1:18:42] Voice 10: where there is a risk of salt water intrusion, which has been used to exclude secondary suites.

[1:18:50] Voice 10: One could also impose that requirement, and that would be my recommendation,

[1:18:58] Voice 10: that that imposition of the requirement for a certain amount of cistern storage

[1:19:07] Voice 10: in the event that you're rebuilding a new house or you are changing an existing building.

[1:19:16] Voice 10: The same regulation as is applied at East Point,

[1:19:19] Voice 10: that that should be applied only to the areas delineated as at risk.

[1:19:27] Voice 10: That would be my recommendation.

[1:19:30] Voice 10: If it's not possible to do that now, then we should remove that requirement,

[1:19:35] Voice 10: leave the East Point map and mandate, whatever it is, in place, and only go with updating

[1:19:48] Voice 10: the secondary suites map as is. That's where I would like to go. Does that make sense to you?

[1:19:59] Voice 10: So

[1:19:59] Voice 15: you watch this, I didn't quite catch the if in there.

[1:20:07] Voice 15: So yesterday we had talked about potentially required cisterns

[1:20:11] Voice 15: where the new mapping shows solar intrusion risk.

[1:20:17] Voice 15: And I didn't quite catch why we would be pivoting off of doing that.

[1:20:24] Voice 10: If you're mapping, I'm not entirely sure if the map or the process to achieve that

[1:20:31] Voice 10: is onerous.

[1:20:32] Voice 10: I don't want to go back six months. Yeah,

[1:20:34] Voice 15: it wouldn't be onerous. It would really be,

[1:20:38] Voice 15: it would be, I mean mapping-wise, it would just be

[1:20:47] Voice 15: practically visiting the same thing we did with the secondary suites mapping.

[1:20:53] Voice 15: just tweaking the parameters to show those parcels that are in green or above don't need

[1:21:01] Voice 15: a cistern and any parcels orange or yellow and below do yeah and then i think we and then east

[1:21:12] Voice 15: point being different because uh you would still require a cistern everywhere at this point i

[1:21:21] Voice 15: Yeah, so that is certainly technically feasible.

[1:21:27] Voice 15: We talked about some of the risks around the granular nature of that data, and having it

[1:21:36] Voice 15: on the lot, requiring a cistern, and the neighbour not, and having a patchwork of that, versus

[1:21:43] Voice 15: is in most cases they're more like the East Point water management area is a known area

[1:21:50] Voice 15: that's been studied extensively and it's a block of area but technically feasibly that

[1:21:56] Voice 15: should that would be to go home yeah.

[1:21:59] Voice 10: And what about the change to the actual proposed

[1:22:04] Voice 10: proposed, you know, the items that changes, you know, the

[1:22:11] Voice 10: changes that are, what's the word, the different elements of

[1:22:16] Voice 10: the AUB that need to be changed.

[1:22:19] Voice 10: So

[1:22:19] Voice 15: in terms of if you, if you don't want to change your

[1:22:25] Voice 15: cistern, if you don't want to add cisterns anywhere else, then

[1:22:31] Voice 15: you could just still I think make the changes to the wording because East Point Management Area is

[1:22:39] Voice 15: not only dictated that mapping is not only dictated by saltwater intrusion mapping because

[1:22:44] Voice 15: if that was the case then there is now some green parcels that would be allowed to have a secondary

[1:22:51] Voice 15: or would be allowed to not have a cistern in your new system and I would also recommend that

[1:22:59] Voice 15: you update your bylaw to not read 21 000 liters but 18 000 as we've discussed as a more practicable

[1:23:10] Voice 15: storage alternative based on the current tank design so i would at least change the

[1:23:16] Voice 15: leaders to 18 000 liters okay

[1:23:21] Voice 3: this

[1:23:23] Voice 6: then following your suggestion we're basically extracting from

[1:23:29] Voice 6: the bylaw has proposed 2.2 which is secondary suites subsection 2.185 is amended by delineating

[1:23:41] Voice 6: the words as having moderate to high aquifer actually might not need to keep that aquifer

[1:23:47] Voice 6: vulnerability depicted um we actually might just need schedule ease the secondary suite

[1:23:55] Voice 6: that's

[1:23:55] Voice 15: what i would agree with just

[1:23:56] Voice 6: as

[1:23:57] Voice 15: it has been scheduled because it's not only based on

[1:24:00] Voice 15: solvents yeah so the current thing is actually a little bit false

[1:24:04] Voice 6: so what we can do and i'm

[1:24:07] Voice 6: just thinking like i guess my sense is based on independent responses from uh the multi's

[1:24:16] Voice 6: response to mr gaines application i'm getting the sense that our our reach is exceeding our

[1:24:22] Voice 6: grasp a little bit of what we're trying to do at this point when it comes to quality and quantity

[1:24:28] Voice 6: of water and some of the other things we were sort of trying to to move along with the this

[1:24:35] Voice 6: minor housing amendment and while i don't think that it's that wasted i think we can potentially

[1:24:43] Voice 6: park it get this skin because the schedule is basically done it looks like to me we just simply

[1:24:50] Voice 6: simply changed it to the new map which you've already created and that's then a minor amendment

[1:24:56] Voice 6: in the land use bylaw um and we long in some other minor amendments too which i'm proposing would be

[1:25:04] Voice 6: the um the uh byline postman wording um because it's really already written when you talk about

[1:25:10] Voice 6: that when we get to that section and actually proceed with this using some caution like not

[1:25:17] Voice 6: therefore not trying to engage in areas which are seemingly becoming more complex and broader than

[1:25:24] Voice 6: we perhaps intended, take what was the original early thought that I think you had, which was the

[1:25:31] Voice 6: updated saltwater intrusion map, as it impacted secondary suites, should therefore change

[1:25:41] Voice 6: changed in the Land Use By-law, the Schedule B as our case is currently drafted as a minor amendment.

[1:25:50] Voice 6: We'll do a couple other minor amendments, which I think you've heard a lot about, like a

[1:25:55] Voice 6: leaderage. I propose that the By-law Enforcement be classed as a minor amendment and then we proceed

[1:26:02] Voice 6: forward with sort of an omnibus parcel that is By-law Enforcement and the Revised Secondary Suite map.

[1:26:10] Voice 6: but we don't do anything with systems or any of the other items mentioned in this proposed

[1:26:16] Voice 6: bylaw 143.

[1:26:17] Voice 6: Chair,

[1:26:19] Voice 15: I think we could maybe like frame the STVR bylaw change as a housing amendment,

[1:26:24] Voice 15: because it is

[1:26:24] Voice 15: kind of related to housing.

[1:26:26] Voice 15: So keeping your project, show your bylaw.

[1:26:30] Voice 15: And yes, so what I'm hearing is changing the map as presented with the 61 new properties.

[1:26:40] Voice 15: properties, and then 2.17 at a minimum, changing the minimum cistern capacity to 18,000 litres.

[1:26:53] Voice 15: And then it's up to you to decide if you wanted your Schedule C to change or not, or if you

[1:27:03] Voice 15: only wanted to point to these points for where cisterns are required.

[1:27:08] Voice 6: Yeah, in my view I would say not touch the cisterns at this point because I think we're

[1:27:12] Voice 6: getting into territory that's a little bit broader uh east point is well understood by the people who

[1:27:17] Voice 6: make the investments there and what they've done so i'd suggest we don't turn that walk over at

[1:27:22] Voice 6: this point um and and my i guess my broader sense as to what might be included then if we keep it on

[1:27:30] Voice 6: their minor houses and mentions because i think i might be sorry that my law enforcement as drafted

[1:27:36] Voice 6: it is great i just would like to see the wording of the policy in in inform the wording of the

[1:27:42] Voice 6: language of the bible itself so i i would cost that you know i could be disagreed with but i

[1:27:48] Voice 6: would class that as a minor amendment if we want to frame it under housing that's totally fine by

[1:27:54] Voice 6: me and then it also provides room because this is my concern is we have all the limited resources

[1:28:01] Voice 6: resources here on this turn of grad there's only one person he has responsibilities on there as

[1:28:07] Voice 6: well we may need to do some changes to our calendar and the wording of our calendar in

[1:28:12] Voice 6: response to the requests or the desires of the BC Parks Foundation when it comes to what

[1:28:21] Voice 6: how they want to see any potential concerns addressed um the donation of the same 34

[1:28:29] Voice 6: four densities because I know it's at least that and that that may be a chunk of work and so if we

[1:28:35] Voice 6: don't have a brand of tandem mesh in in some of this much more complex system-based you know

[1:28:44] Voice 6: bylaw changes we've actually I think that if we find ourselves pleasantly surprised that we're

[1:28:49] Voice 6: able to attract these densities quickly without doing a huge amount of extra work great and we've

[1:28:54] Voice 6: got more resource that we can kind of turn back to this work stays on the shelf it doesn't you

[1:29:00] Voice 6: know it doesn't go away like we can pick it up um but that's you know i guess i guess that was

[1:29:08] Voice 6: triggered by reading the report there i think maybe from okay and kojima just talking about

[1:29:14] Voice 6: at this point in the term there are some choices that need to be made and if we make one i'm just

[1:29:21] Voice 6: concerned that we actually

[1:29:22] Voice 11: yeah

[1:29:24] Voice 6: like curtail the building because especially in terms of you know

[1:29:28] Voice 6: potential zoning changes to housing the shortest route that i can see to something really exciting

[1:29:35] Voice 6: that might happen when it comes to accessible housing is attracting these additional densities

[1:29:41] Voice 6: from uh bc parks foundation once we have those and we have some guidelines around how they like

[1:29:49] Voice 6: using clustered housing or you know things around that which is what parks foundation want to see

[1:29:55] Voice 6: they want to see wording that talks about kind of ecologically sensitive

[1:30:00] Voice 6: ecologically less impactful than a five acre one house one cottage development i think we're in a

[1:30:07] Voice 6: pretty good place that might not be achievable in what we won't probably be making with that you

[1:30:13] Voice 6: know like but this committee but and maybe perhaps not even the next committee but it's a really

[1:30:19] Voice 6: strong foundation when the project inevitably does come along to take use of those so that's

[1:30:26] Voice 6: kind of my question i'm sorry for the long winded rationale there but um i just figured i could make

[1:30:31] Voice 6: it better explain can it because it sounds like otherwise was leading you to spring the track

[1:30:40] Voice 6: basically was reflecting on the words in the report um and i think they're accurately well

[1:30:46] Voice 6: intended and i think um you know you the work that was sought to be done around uh software

[1:30:53] Voice 6: intrusion in the version of the map that's done that's simply a change of the schedule in our

[1:30:58] Voice 6: in our ocp or land use bylaw and likewise i think that the bylaw

[1:31:06] Voice 6: we all agree largely and it's just a matter of adopting i think the very well worthy policy that

[1:31:12] Voice 6: uh by law enforcement manager has come up with into into our land use by now but not that's not

[1:31:19] Voice 6: to obviously we need to create direction through a motion for that but i'm just giving you my

[1:31:24] Voice 6: background rationale at this point and with the placeholder it preserves hopefully time for our

[1:31:33] Voice 6: island planner to be able to respond meaningfully to what the bc parks foundation might request of

[1:31:41] Voice 6: less

[1:31:44] Voice 14: just if I could just cut to the chase uh future I'm following this conversation

[1:31:52] Voice 14: what would ultimately fall out as a resolution is that as a result of updated um data provided

[1:32:03] Voice 14: by the province um there are now with will now be 61 net or 80 net 61 net new property or properties

[1:32:15] Voice 14: um that are able to build secondary fleets um at their option period also the sister of the

[1:32:23] Voice 14: The second conversation has dropped on the table.

[1:32:31] Voice 6: There might not be a word in there that makes that tally,

[1:32:35] Voice 6: but if that's indeed what the tally is with the changes between the two schedules,

[1:32:39] Voice 6: then yes, that is so.

[1:32:41] Voice 10: But also, don't forget that there are areas that will allow secondary suites now

[1:32:47] Voice 10: that are probably going to be subdivided, that are not counted as lots yet.

[1:32:53] Voice 10: yet. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:32:56] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:32:58] Voice 9: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:33:03] Voice 12: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:33:03] Voice 12: Um, I'm not sure if the trustee or really that they're trying to get, um, the attachment

[1:33:20] Voice 12: as a vehicle for subdivision, new lot subdivision purposes. Is that now off the...

[1:33:29] Voice 12: It's on the

[1:33:31] Voice 10: table, we're parking. So what we were intending to do was try and encourage

[1:33:40] Voice 10: people regardless, old houses, new houses, what's been done at East Point, which is if

[1:33:47] Voice 10: if you build a new house or you change your current house,

[1:33:52] Voice 10: you have to install 21 18,000 liters of water.

[1:33:58] Voice 10: And, you know, that had been considered to just say

[1:34:02] Voice 10: the whole island has to do that.

[1:34:03] Voice 10: But it doesn't really make sense.

[1:34:04] Voice 10: It's a lot of black plastic distributed in places

[1:34:07] Voice 10: where people don't need it.

[1:34:09] Voice 10: And I had wanted to constrain that to the areas

[1:34:12] Voice 10: that were at risk of soil water intrusion,

[1:34:15] Voice 10: so that if somebody was using a well,

[1:34:17] Voice 10: they have to install this

[1:34:19] Voice 10: to kind of manage

[1:34:21] Voice 10: that.

[1:34:22] Voice 10: So we're going to park that requirement

[1:34:25] Voice 10: in the cisterns,

[1:34:26] Voice 10: as suggested, because

[1:34:28] Voice 10: most of you have

[1:34:31] Voice 10: made this counter-offer

[1:34:33] Voice 10: with respect to, but we believe

[1:34:35] Voice 10: that we have a standing resolution

[1:34:37] Voice 10: that says water catchment

[1:34:39] Voice 10: is a viable option

[1:34:40] Voice 10: for a new property.

[1:34:43] Voice 10: And most of you have

[1:34:44] Voice 10: muddied waters in their response

[1:34:47] Voice 10: response to you. So we have to tackle that.

[1:34:51] Voice 10: Yeah,

[1:34:51] Voice 12: and I think it's regional health rather than the way they take their direction on

[1:34:58] Voice 12: this from regional health. And so I think that that and proving off certain states'

[1:35:08] Voice 12: It's her direction from that as well, exactly.

[1:35:15] Voice 7: And the

[1:35:16] Voice 12: discussion I had with the improvement officer,

[1:35:21] Voice 12: she said, well, you could build rainwater catchment systems

[1:35:27] Voice 12: on each lot instead of drilling the well.

[1:35:34] Voice 12: That might be an acceptable option.

[1:35:36] Voice 12: But of course, the reality of that is that that's carved way, way before the horseshoe.

[1:35:42] Voice 12: How big the house is going to be, where the house is going to be, what the requirements

[1:35:48] Voice 12: for the cash flow system would be, how much roof it would be to feed it, and where it

[1:35:54] Voice 12: should go.

[1:35:54] Voice 12: So that, that to me made no actual sense as the person that's been in the business here

[1:36:00] Voice 12: for 50 odd years of dealing with houses and water and all of that.

[1:36:06] Voice 12: that. So I'm just hoping that process will be carried on.

[1:36:15] Voice 10: Yeah, but

[1:36:16] Voice 10: what Lee's proposing is we just park the cistern issue entirely, leave it as an East

[1:36:22] Voice 10: Point thing as it is right now. We don't try and extend it. We deal with the secondary

[1:36:27] Voice 10: suites in isolation. Then we, as a minor amendment, we add in, we look forward to bi-long secondary

[1:36:36] Voice 10: suites and notification period. Yeah. And then we serve it back to water as a...

[1:36:47] Voice 6: Yeah, what Moti did is they basically underscored to us that this is a more complex issue, whether

[1:36:55] Voice 6: whether we like it or not, in their minds that we had intended with our authority as a local trust committee.

[1:37:02] Voice 6: And I think we need to be sure that we have the resources to move forward in a way that's meaningful

[1:37:09] Voice 6: rather than just make some statements that still don't give them comfort.

[1:37:14] Voice 6: And we end up in this cycle again where somebody like yourself who's trying to do a development

[1:37:19] Voice 6: and isn't you know clearly uncomfortable with what's proposed and they're trying to give

[1:37:25] Voice 6: multiple pathways because multiple pathways are expensive and they generate uncertainty for you

[1:37:33] Voice 6: and so i i thought to myself message received we need to kind of have a rethink on this one yes we

[1:37:39] Voice 6: do want uh quality and quantity standards but what i've seen is the quality and quantity standards

[1:37:47] Voice 6: and other local governments have gone for are based effectively on ground model control so if

[1:37:52] Voice 6: we're going for body quantity standard that's based on rainwater there's a whole pile more

[1:37:58] Voice 6: they're going to want to see before they get comfort in a subdivision based on that and we

[1:38:04] Voice 6: can't provide that comfort we don't have that extra stuff i don't even know exactly what that

[1:38:09] Voice 6: extra stuff would be at this point so that's why i'm saying pause to do what we can achieve what

[1:38:14] Voice 6: we've done the work get it get it in the model see where we stand in terms of how much time

[1:38:21] Voice 6: they have left in this term and resources and how we might frame that project in a way that

[1:38:30] Voice 6: will get results that's what i'm thinking i'm

[1:38:35] Voice 11: not um this is second from that i do understand your

[1:38:38] Voice 11: strategy here and I support it I have a further question just occurred to me so

[1:38:45] Voice 11: are these groundwater studies now that we if we're going to have people punching in more wells

[1:38:58] Voice 11: and less of an emphasis on keeping population density down in various areas by your sounds

[1:39:06] Voice 11: like you're kind of using a thing of you know i think those wells are good for the group of 30

[1:39:11] Voice 11: blah blah blah that's not based on anything i'm just using this as an example so is there

[1:39:17] Voice 11: a continuing surveys for salt water intrusion um how do we get more wells go in actually there are

[1:39:25] Voice 6: our system so i have a participant a little system that we run ourselves uh as an improvement

[1:39:33] Voice 6: the district uh vita actually came and did uh three months ago specifically did the salt water

[1:39:38] Voice 6: analysis and actually the the guy who's currently our chair of the trump board of trustees the three

[1:39:44] Voice 6: of us will take that um he sent it to me uh and it's a pretty in-depth enough so

[1:39:51] Voice 6: why

[1:39:52] Voice 11: like for various so some idea as there's more well

[1:39:59] Voice 6: their authority is only obviously to test

[1:40:04] Voice 6: systems that serve two or more they only have authority to go and test a lot of systems right

[1:40:10] Voice 6: so so there's no comprehensive well testing that they're doing because they don't have the

[1:40:14] Voice 6: authority to do that but they're not testing every uh every system for so on and so we

[1:40:20] Voice 11: have no way

[1:40:21] Voice 11: of uh evaluating um wells drilled for single households and we have no ability to then in

[1:40:31] Voice 10: a

[1:40:31] Voice 11: clustered area have a have a look at what's happening what's happening you

[1:40:35] Voice 6: can only do what

[1:40:36] Voice 6: you call would be a proxy which is the provincial monitoring wells and you could perhaps infer that

[1:40:43] Voice 6: the monitoring well is giving a similar reading to a domestic well nearby but we know from some

[1:40:50] Voice 6: of the hydrological work done that the front practice is so local and so specific that you

[1:40:57] Voice 6: can be a house away and i'm being drawn on a radically a different source of groundwater so

[1:41:04] Voice 6: yeah so the answer to your question is we just don't know i i don't know how we so

[1:41:09] Voice 11: we do know

[1:41:10] Voice 11: that the climate is is changing we do know that it's getting drier and we are it's getting wetter

[1:41:17] Voice 11: the

[1:41:17] Voice 10: winters would

[1:41:18] Voice 11: be wetter making assumptions on this you know

[1:41:22] Voice 11: i don't particularly care

[1:41:23] Voice 11: whichever way it's doing but i would like to know is are we maintaining surveillance of this while

[1:41:29] Voice 11: we are making various observations what we call logical judgments about what to do in the future

[1:41:37] Voice 11: so

[1:41:38] Voice 10: there are two observation wells one near winter culver and one near eastport and those

[1:41:44] Voice 10: wells are monitored remotely and there

[1:41:47] Voice 10: are samples taken and the analysis are available online and

[1:41:52] Voice 10: And at the saltwater nutrition webinar that was run by the Islands Trust,

[1:41:57] Voice 10: I asked if they looked at those analyses.

[1:42:02] Voice 10: Mostly they were just looking at water levels.

[1:42:05] Voice 10: You can see the graph, you know, in the summer the water table drops

[1:42:09] Voice 10: and in the winter it goes back up.

[1:42:10] Voice 10: But they actually published the analyses and said,

[1:42:14] Voice 10: how are we looking at those analyses?

[1:42:17] Voice 10: and they said that they are in the process of installing,

[1:42:25] Voice 10: and they were going to have an alert system, basically.

[1:42:30] Voice 10: They would raise an alert when the analysis went out of whack

[1:42:34] Voice 10: or when the level went back down.

[1:42:36] Voice 10: At the moment, it's kind of, I go in and look at it,

[1:42:39] Voice 10: but I'm not sure anybody else goes in to look at it.

[1:42:42] Voice 10: So those wells are the provincial observation wells,

[1:42:46] Voice 10: And then, as he said, all the different water systems, their water analysis is examined over time

[1:42:54] Voice 6: by...

[1:42:56] Voice 6: This was actually a separate team, because if you run your own system, you take in a sample, and the results are sent to VEHA.

[1:43:06] Voice 6: This was actually a team of people who came and sampled at the wellhead with VEHA.

[1:43:12] Voice 6: They weren't relying on the individuals, they actually came.

[1:43:14] Voice 6: so I thought that was kind of

[1:43:16] Voice 6: deep that they were looking at

[1:43:18] Voice 6: specific bits of water intrusion

[1:43:20] Voice 6: in Vietnam water systems

[1:43:22] Voice 6: so

[1:43:23] Voice 11: if you're considering

[1:43:24] Voice 11: 34 more densities no matter how

[1:43:26] Voice 11: much you cluster them and I'm eager to get to that

[1:43:29] Voice 11: conversation

[1:43:31] Voice 11: interesting I just want

[1:43:33] Voice 11: to know that someone's got

[1:43:34] Voice 11: an overview of both

[1:43:38] Voice 11: what's in

[1:43:39] Voice 11: the water but more specifically

[1:43:41] Voice 11: where are the levels headed

[1:43:42] Voice 11: yeah yeah

[1:43:44] Voice 6: i mean it's like there's no there's no commander-in-chief of water no it's basically

[1:43:50] Voice 6: these different sources of information and obviously generally moving toward attachment

[1:43:58] Voice 6: approach is obviously embodying the cautionary principle and that's certainly what we're trying

[1:44:05] Voice 6: to do but it's in the web of laws that we work within because this has always been the complaint

[1:44:11] Voice 6: point about governance on legal violence it's not integrated there's benefits there's negatives

[1:44:16] Voice 6: is that navigating that is very difficult and this people have largely not our purview we have

[1:44:24] Voice 6: very we've seen now we've very limited ability to actually now we may have more building than we

[1:44:31] Voice 6: know but what i'm saying is we need to rethink we need to step back and rethink that how do we act

[1:44:36] Voice 6: best let's go the best chance for something meaningful so

[1:44:39] Voice 11: so that's my concern when you

[1:44:41] Voice 11: think when you're opening up 61 properties for secondary suites and for more use is i'd like to

[1:44:48] Voice 11: have a higher level of overview that we trust i hear what you're saying about how that's difficult

[1:44:55] Voice 11: but i think going forward that that's the response well

[1:44:57] Voice 6: i think that was the work that was done

[1:45:00] Voice 6: that's get really without you know a lot i'll be honest a lot of the nice pieces some things were

[1:45:05] Voice 6: lost on me but in terms of the work and the trust that did and where we did all the reading of the

[1:45:12] Voice 6: multiple studies that justified that there was sufficient groundwater available for these

[1:45:18] Voice 6: secondary suites in those areas the

[1:45:22] Voice 10: water thing i've read it's a bit of a nightmare

[1:45:26] Voice 10: the province looks after wells but not really they don't govern private wells they give advice you

[1:45:35] Voice 10: You know, get a registered driller, send a sample here.

[1:45:38] Voice 10: There's all this stuff out front.

[1:45:40] Voice 10: Don't drill close to the shore.

[1:45:42] Voice 10: There's no specific guideline to avoid soil bottom intrusion in the Gulf Islands.

[1:45:49] Voice 10: But then you go to Island Health, and then you go to Loti,

[1:45:53] Voice 10: and it's just this horrible mishmash.

[1:45:55] Voice 10: And regional districts are in the mix as well.

[1:45:58] Voice 10: And really, water catchment is, you know, you're guaranteed.

[1:46:04] Voice 10: you see is what you get you can control it and but the legislation is set up to still encourage

[1:46:12] Voice 10: people to drill wells and i don't think that that's really right it should be that water

[1:46:20] Voice 10: catchment is a full viable option but the legislation is a bit sort of tricky to navigate

[1:46:26] Voice 10: so we really need to almost like the tiny homes on wheels we need to have a workshop where

[1:46:33] Voice 10: all of those people come together and address the fact that they have

[1:46:36] Voice 10: a set of conflicting instructions.

[1:46:40] Voice 10: Thank

[1:46:41] Voice 11: you. It gives me an idea of where we are in actuality

[1:46:44] Voice 11: so as we are deciding on work densification, I think

[1:46:49] Voice 11: that should be something that we concern

[1:46:52] Voice 11: ourselves with.

[1:46:55] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:46:57] Voice 6: And now back

[1:46:58] Voice 11: to your strategy.

[1:46:59] Voice 11: you

[1:46:59] Voice 6: yeah and so i guess that would your new chair would be and our our planning is if our sort of

[1:47:08] Voice 6: verbal description of the minor amendments we would like to see is sufficient or we would like

[1:47:15] Voice 6: to see that as trying as a motion that directs your work or

[1:47:19] Voice 11: take another

[1:47:21] Voice 11: mouthful friend

[1:47:31] Voice 5: he's going to finish chewing and then he'll tell us

[1:47:34] Voice 5: would

[1:47:35] Voice 10: anybody like a cookie or banana i'm gonna have a banana thank you thank you

[1:47:41] Voice 15: thank

[1:47:41] Voice 10: you

[1:47:42] Voice 15: so through the chair thank you to to attempt to recap where we are at

[1:47:49] Voice 15: uh what i am what i think i've heard is that you are wanting to amend bylaw 143 to

[1:47:57] Voice 15: uh continue to include schedule c as is uh to update the leaders in 2.17 to 18 000 liters

[1:48:07] Voice 15: and to carry on with the other amendments with respect to secondary suites i think it's also

[1:48:13] Voice 15: worthwhile to change rainwater and fresh water. Is that what I'm hearing for By-law 143?

[1:48:21] Voice 15: And then what I'm hearing for your second recommendation is that you're not going to pass that

[1:48:25] Voice 15: resolution and you're just going to carry on with By-law 143 and that would just don't give your

[1:48:30] Voice 15: minor housing amendments project work for now. And I think it makes sense for you to pass the

[1:48:38] Voice 15: resolution putting subdivision regulations on future projects let's start generating them

[1:48:44] Voice 6: okay okay and then as far as the line is i'm sorry that so if you if you go ahead

[1:48:50] Voice 6: the bylaw enforcement provisions um suggest

[1:48:57] Voice 15: a motion for that okay

[1:48:58] Voice 15: so uh in terms of bylaw amendments i suggested the ltc passed a resolution something like that

[1:49:06] Voice 15: that the Saterno-Ida Local Trust Committee

[1:49:09] Voice 15: amends draft bylaw number 143

[1:49:13] Voice 15: by removing references to deleting Schedule C.

[1:49:24] Trustee Maude: I just know that the region planning manager

[1:49:27] Trustee Maude: in Kijima has popped up on the screen, so.

[1:49:29] Trustee Maude: Perfect.

[1:49:30] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Chair.

[1:49:32] Voice 2: I'm just trying to figure out if the discussion has turned

[1:49:35] Voice 2: to the bylaw enforcement element yet,

[1:49:40] Voice 2: or you're still talking about amendments or revisions

[1:49:43] Voice 2: to Bylaw 143 to address the secondary suites?

[1:49:49] Voice 15: I

[1:49:50] Voice 2: think what they're hoping to do

[1:49:51] Voice 15: is to include that amendment in Bylaw 143.

[1:49:55] Voice 2: Okay, so I would not recommend that.

[1:50:00] Voice 2: I think incorporating the bylaw enforcement policy wording into a bylaw would be, well, I think for that element, what I'd recommend is you ask staff to report back with options and recommendations to that.

[1:50:22] Voice 6: that that that's fine because i i figured you could take a stab at figuring out how you would

[1:50:28] Voice 6: incorporate a policy which we've never had before into a uh administrative bylaw because we've got

[1:50:36] Voice 6: time to deal with this and then you come back and say here's what it looks like i'm totally fine

[1:50:41] Voice 6: with that um and i was just wondering do we need to go out to um referral etc if in essence

[1:50:51] is what

[1:50:52] Voice 6: we're achieving is switching out the map and schedules okay you

[1:50:58] Voice 14: have to do finally

[1:50:59] Voice 14: referral any bylaw that has to be sent first nations and agencies okay

[1:51:06] Voice 6: so so

[1:51:09] Voice 15: backing up to

[1:51:10] Voice 15: rpg's advice i think you would pass one resolution that the saturn island local trust committee

[1:51:15] Voice 15: Committee direct staff to provide a staff report with options for integrating by-law

[1:51:24] Voice 15: enforcement policy into their by-laws.

[1:51:28] Voice 15: Yeah, that's my turn.

[1:51:30] Voice 15: That's fine.

[1:51:31] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:51:32] Voice 15: The second resolution then would be that the Southerner Islands Local Trust Committee amend

[1:51:38] Voice 15: draft bylaw number 143 to delete references to removing Schedule C to update section 2.17

[1:51:52] Voice 15: to read 18,000 litres.

[1:51:55] Voice 9: And

[1:51:57] Voice 15: I think that's it. And then the other provisions are, so

[1:52:05] Voice 15: just demanding what provisions are suggested and on page 48 of your draft bylaw yeah and so

[1:52:11] Voice 15: those provisions are already there so you can just imagine 2.1 uh 2.1 letter i yeah and 2.4

[1:52:18] Voice 15: were essentially 2.5 2.2 2.3 so it should be 2.4 yeah so essentially uh putting schedule c back

[1:52:28] Voice 15: into the draft plan,

[1:52:31] Voice 3: with

[1:52:32] Voice 15: only these points shown on that Schedule C as it is.

[1:52:36] Voice 15: So the only change according to 2.17 is amending the fresh water reference and the leaders,

[1:52:43] Voice 3: and

[1:52:43] Voice 15: the secondary suites map will be replaced with the new secondary suites map, and

[1:52:49] Voice 15: a reference

[1:52:52] Voice 15: The reference to salt water intrusion will be removed because that schedule e-map is based on broader than that.

[1:53:00] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:53:02] Voice 15: Makes sense?

[1:53:03] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:53:04] Voice 15: And then you wouldn't pass recommendation two and look at passing recommendation three.

[1:53:13] Voice 6: And then we can, I think we've got time to wait for you to come back with revised wording on this. We don't have the next meeting and we can then look at it.

[1:53:21] Voice 6: I

[1:53:21] Voice 15: think that I would just make the revised wording on RIDAL 143, because it's pretty straightforward, and get that out for referral.

[1:53:28] Voice 15: So the next week you consider what to do next, because you don't need an OCP amendment.

[1:53:33] Voice 15: You could actually decide not to hold a public hearing on RIDAL 143, so we can talk about...

[1:53:42] Voice 15: Before your reading, you would need to get noticed prior to the first reading if you don't want to.

[1:53:48] Voice 15: to, but we can do that by our part of the potentially other

[1:53:53] Voice 15: ultimately compatible solutions who may say that staff

[1:54:00] Voice 15: initiated notice of first reading, but then you wouldn't

[1:54:04] Voice 15: have the opportunity to consider any referral treatment. But I

[1:54:10] Voice 15: would suggest that we can do this about we can do that by

[1:54:18] Voice 10: so do we need to make a motion with the details of the amendment right now yes

[1:54:25] Voice 10: amendment to the amendment yeah

[1:54:27] Voice 13: i think okay lisa

[1:54:29] Voice 13: probably has that second

[1:54:31] Voice 13: so lisa

[1:54:36] Trustee Maude: do you are you captured any of this or are you just uh observing i

[1:54:40] Voice 8: am doing both

[1:54:44] Voice 8: What I have for

[1:54:46] Voice 8: the amendment is that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee amend

[1:54:50] Voice 8: bylaw number 143 by deleting reference to Schedule C and update leaders to read 18,000

[1:54:58] Voice 8: leaders.

[1:54:59] Voice 15: The first part should be deleting reference to removing Schedule C.

[1:55:04] Voice 10: Deleting.

[1:55:05] Voice 10: Or

[1:55:06] Voice 15: deleting Schedule C.

[1:55:07] Voice 10: Section 1, effectively, of 211.

[1:55:09] Voice 10: one one would that be something well

[1:55:14] Voice 15: I think you know also that I have to speak the truth

[1:55:16] Voice 15: I'm poor I think it's easiest just to have lessons it is I know what to do

[1:55:21] Voice 3: okay so

[1:55:24] Voice 15: do you want to

[1:55:26] Voice 15: read that one more time so that's what slight tweak

[1:55:29] Voice 8: certainly uh through the chair that the

[1:55:31] Voice 8: Saturna Island local trust committee amend bylaw number 143 by deleting reference to removing

[1:55:37] Voice 8: moving Schedule C and update

[1:55:39] Voice 8: leaders to read 18,000

[1:55:41] Voice 8: leaders.

[1:55:43] Trustee Maude: That's appropriate.

[1:55:45] Trustee Maude: We're not supposed to say so.

[1:55:47] Trustee Maude: I'll say so.

[1:55:53] Trustee Maude: So this has been

[1:55:54] Trustee Maude: moved by Trustee Middleton.

[1:55:56] Trustee Maude: Seconded by Trustee Wilson.

[1:55:58] Voice 3: Any further discussion?

[1:56:00] Trustee Maude: We have another question.

[1:56:02] Trustee Maude: All in favor? That

[1:56:03] Trustee Maude: passes. Thank you, Lisa, for

[1:56:06] Trustee Maude: listening and understanding.

[1:56:08] Trustee Maude: I lost halfway through there.

[1:56:12] Trustee Maude: So there's another motion to come?

[1:56:13] Voice 15: We session on another motion with respect to options for your bylaw enforcement.

[1:56:21] Voice 8: Through the chair, what I have for that one is that the Saterna Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to provide a staff report with options of incorporating bylaw enforcement policy into a bylaw.

[1:56:39] Voice 6: so yeah i would just add is if i could so after options uh we have put to incorporate

[1:56:48] Voice 6: the recommended bylaw enforcement policy we go into more detail about where that is but

[1:56:55] Voice 6: we all know that that was the policy we were provided with today um so options to incorporate

[1:57:04] Voice 6: the recommended bylaw enforcement policy into the land use bylaw and the related administrative

[1:57:10] Voice 6: bylaw if i'm not mistaken this is 34 but that can

[1:57:17] Voice 15: be done easily enough

[1:57:19] Voice 3: through

[1:57:20] Voice 15: the chair maybe we

[1:57:21] Voice 15: can just check in with rp and kajima does that sound accurate it's

[1:57:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: bylaw 30 i believe it's

[1:57:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: referenced in the staff report that's good

[1:57:44] Trustee Maude: i will through

[1:57:48] Voice 8: the chair that the satruna island local trust committee directs staff

[1:57:52] Voice 8: to provide a staff report with options of incorporating the recommended bylaw enforcement

[1:57:56] Voice 8: policy into the land use bylaw and related administrative bylaw

[1:58:00] Voice 8: I

[1:58:02] Voice 10: move that. I so move.

[1:58:04] Trustee Maude: So, trustable by trustee Boehm.

[1:58:06] Trustee Maude: And a second then. A second by trustee Boehm.

[1:58:07] Trustee Maude: The end of the discussion. Call the question on the period.

[1:58:11] Trustee Maude: That carries.

[1:58:12] Trustee Maude: What a team.

[1:58:14] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:58:17] Trustee Maude: So, with that, is everything we have to add?

[1:58:19] Trustee Maude: I think you

[1:58:19] Voice 15: also want to look at Recommendation 3, adding, if you want,

[1:58:24] Voice 15: a review of subdivision regulations to your monitoring space.

[1:58:28] Voice 6: did we do that down the road it seems like we've got quite a chunk of work here so at least

[1:58:34] Voice 6: it's totally up to you all it's going to

[1:58:35] Voice 15: do is just put that as a tag for the future potential

[1:58:39] Voice 15: priority so um sure that's not wise yeah at this point other than the flag that's important for

[1:58:47] Voice 15: you or the future i'll just see okay uh

[1:58:51] Voice 6: i'll defend the saturn island of the presbytery

[1:58:53] Voice 6: direct staff to add a review of saturn island letters by our subdivision regulations

[1:58:59] Voice 6: the future projects list. Seconded?

[1:59:02] Voice 10: I second that.

[1:59:07] Voice 3: So

[1:59:08] Voice 10: where does that leave us with the MFR zoning only that we were going to address options with

[1:59:17] Voice 10: Lexington Zoning? Can we pick that out and deal with it? What I heard was

[1:59:22] Voice 15: that you don't want to

[1:59:23] Voice 15: pursue

[1:59:24] Voice 6: that additional work at this time. I think we want to keep that because we're going to

[1:59:29] Voice 6: basically in essence achieve that almost to the maximum we could possibly achieve

[1:59:35] Voice 6: if we can attract those 34 densities and and if we can get that work done first

[1:59:40] Voice 6: then we can look at going to the next level saying what might they like we actually might

[1:59:47] Voice 6: have to in a sense do that anyway or a portion of that to satisfy the the i shouldn't say the

[1:59:54] Voice 6: concerned but to satisfy the desires of the BC Parks Foundation before they give

[2:00:01] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:00:02] Voice 10: well, let's wait and hear what they have asked for, and that might inform us.

[2:00:10] Voice 10: The MFR thing, I feel like there was a bit of a low-hanging fruit option, which was to

[2:00:17] Voice 10: kind of just make it possible in other places, albeit with standard procedures and processes

[2:00:25] Voice 10: around any kind of request.

[2:00:28] Voice 10: request but okay that's waiting here

[2:00:30] Voice 6: yeah I think I've just given the limited resource warning that

[2:00:35] Voice 6: we got today and um so yeah

[2:00:39] Voice 10: and thanks for helping us through that minefield changes

[2:00:45] Voice 10: given that the chair obviously at some stage is also making sure that

[2:01:03] Trustee Maude: So, at this point we can move on?

[2:01:06] Voice 3: Yep.

[2:01:07] Trustee Maude: Well, I guess I have to admire the work that's happened right now because there were a lot

[2:01:14] Trustee Maude: of

[2:01:14] Voice 3: balls in the

[2:01:15] Trustee Maude: air and they seemed to land on everything we wanted to.

[2:01:17] Trustee Maude: so yeah well i did

[2:01:19] Voice 6: the report because it gave the appropriate cautionary note without saying

[2:01:24] Voice 6: don't do that yeah it allowed us to put our toys immediately into the toy box and uh

[2:01:34] Voice 6: where

[2:01:35] Voice 11: are we exactly now we're

[2:01:37] Trustee Maude: now moving to page 51 which is after projects report

[2:01:41] Trustee Maude: report, if I'm correct.

[2:01:44] Voice 11: And what's the number on that?

[2:01:46] Trustee Maude: I'm not sure.

[2:01:47] Voice 11: What is the number on that?

[2:01:49] Voice 11: It's

[2:01:49] Trustee Maude: page 51, 16.1.

[2:01:53] Voice 11: No, 16.1.

[2:01:55] Voice 11: Oh, I see that, sorry.

[2:01:57] Voice 11: Thank you. And where is your

[2:02:01] Voice 11: report going to come from?

[2:02:03] Voice 5: In new business section

[2:02:06] Voice 5: 17, I think. It's got a 3.3.

[2:02:08] Voice 5: yeah

[2:02:08] Voice 11: because i had to go home with packed bread and i really wanted to it's okay so i want to

[2:02:13] Voice 5: slow my hands

[2:02:13] Voice 11: in the air yeah all

[2:02:14] Voice 5: right let me now go back to sorry in the agenda was about page 51

[2:02:18] Voice 5: um

[2:02:19] Trustee Maude: yes yes that also was great so i can't care so let's all know how to carry it better so

[2:02:32] okay now the sustainability

[2:02:34] Voice 6: project didn't do anything with the future

[2:02:37] Voice 6: for projects or that's uh i'm appealing that might morph into something related to the subdivision

[2:02:42] Voice 6: review but we can deal with that when we get into it it's just a place yeah really yeah okay

[2:02:47] Voice 5: very

[2:02:48] Trustee Maude: good yeah so we're going to update the report basic information

[2:02:53] Voice 6: now as far as the sorry sorry

[2:02:56] Voice 6: just in terms of the the resourcing the bylaw report that we've asked planner smith to do

[2:03:07] Voice 6: does that have to be on the project list here somehow we're okay all right sure

[2:03:13] Voice 15: let's do some

[2:03:14] Voice 6: options

[2:03:14] Voice 15: paper at this point we'll figure out how to move that vital forward

[2:03:18] Voice 6: after that okay

[2:03:18] Voice 6: i'm hoping it can be fairly straightforward given that the drive thing is somewhat complete but i

[2:03:25] Voice 6: could be wrong i think i'll work with uh advantage of

[2:03:29] Trustee Maude: gaming or nothing sure um so we have application

[2:03:36] Trustee Maude: We have your trustee local expense report for your information.

[2:03:41] Trustee Maude: We have a dollar and all CCCN recognition for your information.

[2:03:45] Trustee Maude: Annals trust and service report on page 61, season 2.

[2:03:49] Trustee Maude: The trust is all read it.

[2:03:51] Voice 10: So sorry, the expenses, does that mean we've not spent a lot in terms of the Turner Manor housing review project expenses?

[2:04:08] Voice 10: I

[2:04:09] Voice 6: think the postage is not for the referral, and that kind of thing goes into that.

[2:04:15] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:04:23] Trustee Maude: So we're doing this, do you want to move up the 7.3 to 15 parks to the first discussion?

[2:04:37] Trustee Maude: Can

[2:04:39] Voice 10: I ask something else in

[2:04:43] Voice 6: the minutes from now, it wasn't actually in our agenda as in

[2:04:51] Voice 6: last week's agenda.

[2:04:54] Voice 6: And so, okay, so you're saying...

[2:04:56] Voice 6: They bounce you up to the top.

[2:04:57] Voice 6: Right.

[2:05:02] Voice 6: To accommodate.

[2:05:03] Voice 6: Yeah, it was kind of preempted in some ways,

[2:05:06] Voice 6: something like that with our discussion,

[2:05:08] Voice 6: but it could be wrong.

[2:05:10] Voice 6: So, okay, yeah, I can just, I'll speak to it because...

[2:05:13] Voice 6: Can I ask just

[2:05:14] Voice 10: one quick question?

[2:05:15] Voice 10: Yes.

[2:05:15] Voice 10: So, understanding resolutions, they go way back, way back.

[2:05:20] Voice 10: And when we, it was one in particular, I can't remember,

[2:05:23] Voice 10: now but do you need to review those like if you make amendments to the land use bylaw that actually

[2:05:30] Voice 10: supersede those should we go back and check them and read them actually there

[2:05:36] Voice 15: was uh

[2:05:37] Voice 15: there was a conflicting standard resolution too but um standing resolutions don't

[2:05:45] Voice 15: allow you to like for example uh like a enforcement policy around people living in trailers you're not

[2:05:55] Voice 15: resolving to change the bylaw you're just choosing to not enforce on it so your seven

[2:06:00] Voice 15: resolutions don't have the power to just make bylaw amendments that would otherwise lead all

[2:06:07] Voice 15: the southern public persons so your resolutions are

[2:06:10] Voice 15: but yes if there was a conflict or a state

[2:06:15] Voice 15: and that didn't align with the base provision then you should resolve that so

[2:06:21] Voice 10: at some stage

[2:06:22] Voice 10: we just have a little bit of an admin day where we go through and let go okay this is no longer

[2:06:27] Voice 5: relevant well i think what you're getting at when we would

[2:06:30] Voice 6: next review when we do get the land use

[2:06:32] Voice 6: bylaw with the bylaw enforcement policy and it supersedes that standing resolution that i think

[2:06:37] Voice 6: should just go in

[2:06:38] Voice 5: and just make a

[2:06:41] Voice 10: remark that just oh

[2:06:42] Voice 5: it would just be removed

[2:06:43] Voice 5: because we have that power at the ltc to

[2:06:47] Voice 10: do that just that long

[2:06:49] Voice 5: effectively

[2:06:51] Voice 15: i mean you could come back with uh some recommendations or discussion

[2:07:08] Voice 15: So if some of these are no longer relevant, then yeah,

[2:07:15] Voice 3: and

[2:07:16] Voice 6: chair you may agree with this it's often seen as a way of trying out the details of the bylaw in a way that's more easily reviewed and or adjusted, and I think that's effectively what we're trying to do with the bylaw.

[2:07:31] Voice 6: what we've done with that spending resolution i think it's its purpose and um and showing the way

[2:07:36] Voice 6: forward for the for the bylaw enforcement policy yeah

[2:07:40] Voice 10: so anyway some wonderful days we should just

[2:07:45] Voice 10: go through it and do a little bit of a tidy up what

[2:07:48] Voice 6: affected the norm of that one when we

[2:07:50] Voice 6: reviewed that they sort of it sort of fits like you know when you've implemented

[2:07:56] Voice 6: um a standing resolution into a bylaw you know it's the time to never send a standing resolution

[2:08:01] Voice 6: sure yeah um okay good i

[2:08:06] Voice 6: hope so anyway otherwise we'll

[2:08:07] Trustee Maude: otherwise i'm completely wrong and uh okay

[2:08:12] Trustee Maude: so we're not sending a new business yeah and

[2:08:16] Trustee Maude: what we're going to do is we're going to take 17-3

[2:08:17] Trustee Maude: which was a new business new business to be added that's the bc parks foundation

[2:08:22] Trustee Maude: um discussion we'll move it up to the top too

[2:08:26] Voice 6: so i'll keep this we've touched on it already um

[2:08:32] Voice 6: in with tim is the director of my acquisition whom i met last week

[2:08:37] Voice 6: and i asked him what would what would his way forward be what would the way forward be for

[2:08:41] Voice 6: his board to release the density's to the local trust committee's community amenity

[2:08:48] Voice 6: destiny reserved for people for adult um he said in principle the boat has discussed this and they

[2:08:56] Voice 6: are uh amenable to releasing the densities to us and i their issues are that obviously

[2:09:05] Voice 6: the densities as we're talking about using them would be to use them for process of housing

[2:09:12] Voice 6: now it could be i think other sources spoken to the fact that we may need to revise

[2:09:16] Voice 6: some of the terms of the community lending density reserve to allow that

[2:09:20] Voice 6: that can kind of be almost a separate a follow-on issue what we landed on is that we write

[2:09:28] Voice 6: or on our regular on our behalf right informally saying hey what are some of the things that you

[2:09:35] Voice 6: were concerned about or would like to see us address to uh put you in a place of comfort

[2:09:43] Voice 6: to donate the surgical densities you will hold to this and local trust committees community

[2:09:49] Voice 6: an amen against the reserve here's the bylaw that describes it right now please be back in touch with

[2:09:56] Voice 6: us so it's kind of keeping an informal discussion so that we know in a less you know less formalistic

[2:10:03] Voice 6: sense what it is we what work it is we need to do as a local trust committee to prepare to receive

[2:10:11] Voice 6: those uh the donation of those 34 and again the 34 may not be exactly the right number but we'll

[2:10:18] Voice 6: use that someplace over for now so i don't know do you need a bylaw do you need a um a motion to

[2:10:26] Voice 6: that effect um or is that understood that it's a kind of a more genuine letter to the to the

[2:10:35] Voice 6: ceo of the uh of the bc parks foundation the

[2:10:41] Voice 15: letter might just be addressed or come from the ltc

[2:10:50] Voice 15: Yeah, I think that would be a starting, yeah, I think that would be better if CERT coming

[2:10:58] Voice 15: as a political ask in a sense, and then from there you can connect maybe in that letter

[2:11:05] Voice 15: connecting staff with him to then figure out and work with them directly on what, I guess

[2:11:17] Voice 15: I think that would make the most sense to

[2:11:19] Voice 15: have the ask come from the LTC in that letter saying,

[2:11:24] Voice 15: please work with staff on this.

[2:11:27] Voice 15: And then from there, that will allow me to go down that road with them

[2:11:33] Voice 15: of trying to figure out if you're good to go now.

[2:11:36] Voice 15: Or like your current policy doesn't really consider housing, right?

[2:11:45] Voice 15: No, it's the last.

[2:11:47] Voice 15: But if that's not an issue for them, then that's more of an in-house consideration for you in the future to perhaps enable those densities for something different.

[2:12:02] Voice 6: So a couple of examples he gave me was, for instance, we might want to flag that there

[2:12:10] Voice 6: would be no law border to law order clear cutting of existing forest cover, right? Or

[2:12:17] Voice 6: obviously a clear space for a house and that's reasonable. Things like that. And so they can

[2:12:24] Voice 6: come forward now and say, here's what we would like to see. And then we can then figure out how

[2:12:29] Voice 6: best to accommodate that the

[2:12:31] Voice 15: other option is if you have their discussions with them

[2:12:33] Voice 15: but we could sit in the meeting together

[2:12:36] Voice 6: and have that same discussion i wonder if we should just

[2:12:38] Voice 6: have a meeting with them as a ceo that's valid rather than get it because it's we're not they

[2:12:42] Voice 6: they said in principle they want to do this there are just some things that they need yeah so maybe

[2:12:49] Voice 15: just i might be able to just see those some of those concerns they have just clear discussion

[2:12:54] Voice 15: and rather than

[2:12:54] Voice 6: trying to do it back and forth why don't we i can reach out to tim and and he's the

[2:13:00] Voice 6: ceo the advantage is that he lived on the ski for 10 years and is well familiar with them the

[2:13:06] Voice 6: processes of a local trust committee it's

[2:13:09] Voice 10: like charlotte's and hopefully they're good

[2:13:14] Trustee Maude: and then of course they've just done it with bigger skis or tubes

[2:13:17] Trustee Maude: Okay, so

[2:13:18] Voice 15: that's one thing

[2:13:19] Voice 15: we just saw online. If you can work on scheduling that, I'm sure it's available. And from there, we can figure out if there's more formal process or back and forth between us and them.

[2:13:33] Voice 15: and or more analysis on what you might need to do to meet their needs like right now it's pretty

[2:13:40] Voice 15: limited so if they're worried about clear-cutting the law it's really intended to um it's really

[2:13:51] Voice 15: clear it's intended to serve you know the uh ecological benefits

[2:13:56] Voice 6: and so so exactly so we so

[2:14:00] Voice 6: we would telegraph that we want to obviously use the densities for housing because i'm not sure

[2:14:06] Voice 6: well i

[2:14:07] Voice 15: think then you would want to be blunt and say that currently our tatter does not

[2:14:13] Voice 15: enable the use of these densities for um housing but we may look at amending rocp either to create

[2:14:28] Voice 15: a new category of densities that would be like you could just keep your chatter as it is and

[2:14:33] Voice 15: and keep another bag of densities, or broaden your cattle allowances, but I would be upfront with them on that then, so that they understand, but I think you could also still reflect that any changes we made would still, you know, want to consider the intent of the amending, of it as being a community amending,

[2:15:01] Voice 15: be and so that housing would for example would be required to be not for profit you know there

[2:15:08] Voice 15: would be limits around what those densities can be used for in a housing context to ensure that

[2:15:14] Voice 15: the community of enmity is preserved yeah

[2:15:17] Voice 6: and and gabriel was the only other place where the

[2:15:20] Voice 6: caverns i know i think it specifically states uh the requirements around housing right it's

[2:15:27] Voice 15: Peter Haslund,

[2:15:27] Voice 15: Yes, so that, but all that all that work, it would be nice to get the densities in your pocket, and then, because I was making

[2:15:38] Voice 6: with that OCP we could write a

[2:15:40] Voice 6: letter of commitment stating this is our objective right and then they can pull us to that right i'm sure so so.

[2:15:48] Voice 6: Peter Haslund,

[2:15:48] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[2:15:51] Trustee Maude: Peter Haslund, As you guys.

[2:15:51] Voice 11: So I've got about 900 questions about that, because most of us agreed to the CADRA because

[2:16:02] Voice 11: it was for ecological purposes.

[2:16:04] Voice 11: So those two, they hardly fit in this.

[2:16:10] Voice 11: And so just thinking about densities, how we do our zoning, you can divide this acreage

[2:16:18] Voice 11: of land into this so it looks like except for the family um not family um what do we have the old

[2:16:27] Voice 11: age and we have to come up with a whole different kind of density um category and how many 34 is

[2:16:37] Voice 11: that shit load of densities you know and how are we going to soak up do you want to

[2:16:43] Voice 11: talk about like

[2:16:44] Voice 11: for 34 densities and if you take an area and you say you could put tiny homes on it

[2:16:52] Voice 11: you know like how many densities is that going to so

[2:16:56] Voice 6: what that suggests is that a future project

[2:17:00] Voice 6: for the community's involvement the community may at some point in the future if this ever comes to

[2:17:06] Voice 6: pass said no we don't want that we don't want to we have these concerns you've just expressed

[2:17:10] Voice 6: we don't want it and these 34 densities would stay in the canner and that'd be out of weight

[2:17:16] Voice 6: for some environmental purpose so i think that's the i just want to separate that let's get the

[2:17:23] Voice 6: density no

[2:17:24] Voice 11: problem with that i just say that there's some very large and they are very key

[2:17:30] Voice 6: questions that the community as a whole would have to be strongly involved with in that how

[2:17:34] Voice 6: how many times there's no question about that

[2:17:38] Voice 11: very interesting i'm just saying that it's um

[2:17:42] Voice 11: uh eventful not eventful it's

[2:17:45] Voice 5: momentous

[2:17:49] Voice 12: um well i will of course give you a take on this

[2:17:53] Voice 12: i think that what needs to be done is the densities need to be preserved

[2:18:02] Voice 12: I can't see them being used in several lifetimes in this community for purely low-cost housing

[2:18:23] Voice 12: or other uses.

[2:18:25] Voice 12: So if it's going to have an environmental component requirement, it seems to me that

[2:18:32] Voice 12: putting some of those densities towards multiple family residences would make a great deal

[2:18:38] Voice 12: of sense because there is environmental value to that, consolidating living spaces and therefore

[2:18:45] Voice 12: opening up to wildland and surrounding spaces.

[2:18:47] Voice 12: basis. So I think that those thoughts need to be taken forward in regard to doing this.

[2:18:57] Voice 12: And just a side point, the only way to try and put densities on properties, if those

[2:19:06] Voice 12: properties are purchased for a different thing that requires another density that went with

[2:19:12] Voice 12: with that land would it not be within the island's trust per view to say that that is a density that we envision in our community plan

[2:19:21] Voice 12: and therefore because it's not going to be used on this land we will put it into a category where it's available to maintain our formal views of community density.

[2:19:36] Voice 12: Are you

[2:19:37] Voice 11: saying in addition then?

[2:19:39] Voice 12: no not in addition just use what what women may otherwise be taking so if you're

[2:19:44] Voice 11: saying like a 50

[2:19:45] Voice 11: acre piece that has two densities on it and we decided to use that for multiple family

[2:19:52] Voice 11: dwellings that then those two densities are added to the to the bank yes that's what i thought you

[2:19:59] Voice 11: meant yeah that's

[2:20:01] Voice 5: your discussion yeah

[2:20:03] Voice 6: i know you think i think it's it's basically i think

[2:20:07] Voice 6: I think I understand what you meant, and I think it's quite what you just said there.

[2:20:10] Voice 6: I think it's basically the idea that the community had an idea of what the maximum,

[2:20:17] Voice 6: to find the number of densities on the island.

[2:20:20] Voice 6: Some events caused them to go away.

[2:20:25] Voice 6: That's the natural part, because their policy was to extinguish densities.

[2:20:29] Voice 6: So keep in mind that somebody acquired the property,

[2:20:32] Voice 6: that density is in essence a feature of private property.

[2:20:36] Voice 6: It's owned by the purchaser.

[2:20:38] Voice 6: So BC Parks own these densities now because they purchased the property.

[2:20:44] Voice 6: So the question for them from an ecological perspective, we're not increasing the density

[2:20:50] Voice 6: with these 34, they were on or are still on that property.

[2:20:56] Voice 6: So the question for BC Parks is, they have an ecological mandate, if they give us the

[2:21:02] Voice 6: densities are they they need to be sure that they're not undermining their mandate by creating

[2:21:08] Voice 6: an opportunity for non-ecologically sensitive development that's the main concern now right

[2:21:16] Voice 6: so

[2:21:16] Voice 11: that's the driving and

[2:21:18] Voice 6: and therefore that's our driving force because we want to protect those

[2:21:22] Voice 6: densities that already exist so we're not increasing the development on the island in any

[2:21:26] Voice 6: Anyway, will we increase intensity of development by changing zoning down the road?

[2:21:31] Voice 6: That's for others to decide.

[2:21:33] Voice 6: That's a future topic.

[2:21:36] Voice 6: We are just seeking to assuage the concerns of BC Parks Foundation right at this point.

[2:21:43] Voice 6: But be upfront, as Professor said, that we do have a desire to see them used for what

[2:21:49] Voice 6: their existence was in the first place, which is living alone, basically.

[2:21:56] Voice 6: that we do want to see housing and so they may put some stipulations around that right now

[2:22:03] Voice 6: that's that's kind of cool if sorry to belabor it but it is kind of a momentous

[2:22:07] Voice 6: thing really like it's a pretty major gift from the bc parks foundation if we could

[2:22:11] Voice 6: if we can achieve this you know yeah

[2:22:14] Voice 10: it's worth noting that they wouldn't i believe

[2:22:18] Voice 10: they would not have considered giving us the densities

[2:22:22] Voice 10: if there wasn't a cap envisaged by the

[2:22:26] Voice 10: community. So

[2:22:27] Voice 10: if they were just throwing those densities into a pot

[2:22:30] Voice 10: and we didn't have a cap

[2:22:34] Voice 10: they wouldn't have considered it. That was part of the deal. Like in other

[2:22:39] Voice 10: places they have not given up the densities because wherever it

[2:22:43] Voice 10: was there isn't a cap. Because the Chernan has a cap

[2:22:46] Voice 10: on the total number of densities they were prepared to discuss this that's correct thank you

[2:22:52] Voice 10: i mean that's a really important point that i keep when people you know uh i keep referring

[2:22:58] Voice 10: back to that official community plan foresight which like tried to look into the future and

[2:23:05] Voice 10: say okay what's the maximum and work back from that which i think was very well done and i i

[2:23:12] Voice 10: I think it's a key, key piece of the Centurion Official Community Plan.

[2:23:17] Voice 10: And there was one other thing which was, oh yeah,

[2:23:21] Voice 10: another thing I'll share via Scribbler, et cetera, et cetera,

[2:23:24] Voice 10: is there is this thing called the Ireland's Trust Housing Toolkit.

[2:23:30] Voice 10: So it was quite a large document with pieces in it,

[2:23:35] Voice 10: which are about affordable housing.

[2:23:37] Voice 10: and it was put together by planners and main island etc etc and it's basically different

[2:23:45] Voice 10: options that could be used in terms of planning and citing to try and allow

[2:23:52] Voice 10: and i suppose trust sensitive development but increase affordability for people so

[2:24:02] Voice 10: so making things a little more dense,

[2:24:04] Voice 10: locating them in different areas.

[2:24:07] Voice 10: So I'll share that as well.

[2:24:09] Voice 10: And, you know, there is a report.

[2:24:11] Voice 10: Is that report ready yet?

[2:24:13] Voice 10: The provincially mandated report

[2:24:18] Voice 10: on housing in the trust area.

[2:24:24] Voice 10: To be honest.

[2:24:25] Voice 10: Okay, I can find that.

[2:24:26] Voice 10: I mean, there's a mandated report.

[2:24:28] Voice 10: which every local government has to create, prepare on a five-year basis.

[2:24:40] Voice 10: Yeah and the last one was to have a trust I think in 2018 or so, so there's a new one coming out

[2:24:46] Voice 10: shortly and that will inform and direct things and then this toolkit is just kind of considering

[2:24:56] Voice 10: doing different options and it's accumulation information from across all the islands so it's

[2:25:04] Voice 10: kind of a useful thing well

[2:25:06] Voice 11: besides these 34 what how many other densities are in the

[2:25:11] Voice 11: there's

[2:25:13] Voice 6: um from judy's property there's four so there's currently four in the no there's three

[2:25:21] Voice 6: One was mainly used, one was a private transfection that was, you know, with the proponents in

[2:25:27] Voice 6: here before that was there between Judy and them, they, you know, came to an arrangement.

[2:25:33] Voice 6: So that left three with German uranium and any debts to be reserved.

[2:25:37] Voice 6: There is one that was offered by Bromley and Thomas for their development on the-

[2:25:44] Voice 6: To

[2:25:44] Voice 11: allow them to do other uses.

[2:25:46] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:25:46] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:25:46] Voice 6: yeah well they actually didn't they what they did was perfectly within the word they're just

[2:25:52] Voice 6: giving it it's a kind of act of generosity and so we haven't followed up with them and that's

[2:25:56] Voice 6: probably one thing we should do is maybe i'll just reach out informally and find out what the

[2:26:01] Voice 6: next step would be so we're

[2:26:03] Voice 15: at the four for the law consolidation approval before you can grab

[2:26:19] Voice 11: I thought there was a whole bunch in there from stuff that money's in and stuff no

[2:26:26] Voice 6: no they they

[2:26:27] Voice 6: wouldn't so the camera has two two functions it can be a storage or a pipeline so the way it's

[2:26:34] Voice 6: been used in the past is it would be identified and went through the counter by law but went to

[2:26:39] Voice 6: another law so it moved through the counter correctly like it was all but it's there's no

[2:26:46] Voice 6: there were no densities in that bank um there had been a pass i thought

[2:26:54] Voice 11: there was something

[2:26:54] Voice 11: about cottages that got put in there gary

[2:26:58] Voice 6: and paul were working on a thing where they went to

[2:27:01] Voice 6: look at densities that they consider lost and to basically create them again and put them in the

[2:27:09] Voice 6: bank but to kenner it's it's a much more rigid process that densities can only exist by law

[2:27:17] Voice 6: and even creating them in that way just didn't really didn't get traction it doesn't sound

[2:27:22] Voice 11: artful okay so

[2:27:24] Voice 5: so that's so there's

[2:27:25] Voice 11: 34 plus four there's

[2:27:27] Voice 5: three three

[2:27:28] Voice 11: okay

[2:27:30] Voice 11: right and the three are under at this point must be used for ecological and the 34

[2:27:37] Voice 11: must be used for housing with certain i

[2:27:39] Voice 6: don't know i mean the three right now the the donation

[2:27:43] Voice 6: was given with the understanding that would allow conservation goals to be met and we are in

[2:27:51] Voice 6: on and off discussion with the property owner in the middle of east point in regards to wetland

[2:27:55] Voice 6: there that right that judy is aware we we kind of have earmarked them but if there's another

[2:28:02] Voice 6: ecological or conservation goal comes along then obviously they can be used for that as well and

[2:28:08] Voice 6: the 34 are just theoretical at this point thank

[2:28:12] Voice 11: you i thought there was more in the club no god

[2:28:16] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you very much. That's very informing. Your comment to me is very informing about

[2:28:24] Voice 11: because we've had a cap. That's the only reason why I considered that.

[2:28:28] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:28:30] Voice 11: And yeah. Okay. Then it's the beginning of a process and there's lots to be decided.

[2:28:36] Voice 11: And it's quite exciting, actually.

[2:28:39] Voice 11: me with yet but

[2:28:40] Trustee Maude: it's a valuable discussion because particularly because myself and trust

[2:28:44] Trustee Maude: you know we're going to be engaged in the conversation it's it's good on the tables

[2:28:49] Trustee Maude: so that when they're speaking they're speaking with some authority no it's not by guessing

[2:28:56] Trustee Maude: and those

[2:28:58] Voice 10: densities have been taken 270 acres or whatever it was of forest and we have the option

[2:29:08] Voice 10: and to put them someplace where they're consolidated there's they're beside the store

[2:29:14] Voice 10: recycling whatever you know that they're they're removed from that recipient area which is you know

[2:29:20] Voice 10: the other side of the coin which we we need to reflect on yeah that's right

[2:29:25] Voice 10: yeah which is pretty

[2:29:26] Voice 10: nice but

[2:29:27] Trustee Maude: i should say at this point the idea is to get them in yeah and how they go out that's the

[2:29:34] Voice 6: future is that's yeah that will always be a community discussion because they can only go out

[2:29:40] Voice 6: by law so there has to be a public process for them to leave the cat has to be you would also

[2:29:46] Voice 15: have to have a use that's consistent with the category you couldn't conflict with your own

[2:29:50] Voice 15: and that's

[2:29:53] Voice 11: one of the worries would you suggest brad repair be they be in another well there's

[2:29:58] Voice 15: It just meant you could...

[2:30:00] Voice 15: or you could look at creating like, you could explore many options for many year OCP to

[2:30:11] Voice 15: enable densities to be received, you could change your density provision to read no additional

[2:30:16] Voice 15: density or no transfer density and less for community. There's all sorts of yeah, but

[2:30:26] Voice 15: that but any any change to the OCP would require it to be a project and for it to go through all

[2:30:34] Voice 15: the bylaw amendment process and being an OCP amendment it would require minister's approval

[2:30:39] Voice 15: as well so you're probably a year year and a half away from enabling the CADR for some kind of

[2:30:45] Voice 15: housing use and ideally it would be better to receive those 34 densities so it wouldn't have

[2:30:56] Voice 11: to be like you created a society in a society if four acres came up uh for sale and the society

[2:31:04] Voice 11: said they wanted to buy it um and then there'd be some formula for using some number of densities

[2:31:10] Voice 11: is that kind of how it would work yeah

[2:31:13] Voice 15: they're all coming this is

[2:31:15] Voice 11: always going to be a private

[2:31:16] Voice 11: seller, right?

[2:31:17] Voice 11: For example,

[2:31:18] Voice 15: that was only allowed one house

[2:31:24] Voice 15: and they're willing

[2:31:25] Voice 15: to donate five acres,

[2:31:28] Voice 15: then you could take your

[2:31:30] Voice 15: for five units

[2:31:32] Voice 15: of affordable housing

[2:31:34] Voice 15: and you could take five of those densities

[2:31:36] Voice 15: and apply it on that new lot

[2:31:38] Voice 15: for affordable

[2:31:40] Voice 15: community housing.

[2:31:41] Voice 11: That's an example of how you could work.

[2:31:44] Voice 11: So you'd have to create

[2:31:46] Voice 11: a different zone as well as somebody to buy the land initially right yeah

[2:31:53] Voice 15: yeah there's a whole

[2:31:54] Voice 15: bunch of bylaw amending work that would be needed to do to enable i mean you do have a community

[2:32:01] Voice 15: residential

[2:32:02] Voice 10: but there are restrictions on that so those restrictions one option would

[2:32:12] Voice 10: would be to remove or release those restrictions

[2:32:15] Voice 10: so that it could be used more widely.

[2:32:18] Voice 10: And then, because then it has the rules

[2:32:22] Voice 10: around can we make units on this or not,

[2:32:24] Voice 10: you know, that exists already,

[2:32:27] Voice 10: the constraints around how we can use that.

[2:32:30] Voice 10: But at the moment, it's for, you know, senior, et cetera.

[2:32:36] Voice 10: So you have to look at that.

[2:32:37] Voice 10: You could amend for the multi-family housing zone.

[2:32:42] Voice 10: could be used for but nothing will happen quickly

[2:32:50] Trustee Maude: whatever happens will be a fairly complex public process

[2:32:54] Voice 10: what i would love is i don't know if you've ever looked at there's a website for galliano green

[2:33:01] Voice 10: and the design for galliano green was multiple houses and you induce them retreat you take down

[2:33:10] Voice 10: etc. You share whatever acreage it was, you share all the space with houses fairly kind of clustered

[2:33:18] Voice 10: together and it was a fabulous design. That's all I had. It's

[2:33:24] Trustee Maude: taking

[2:33:27] Voice 10: them years and years and years

[2:33:30] Voice 10: But it was really a lovely concept, so

[2:33:33] Voice 12: I think I have a suggestion for you as well.

[2:33:36] Voice 12: That was great. Don't lose any sleep over that.

[2:33:40] Voice 12: If you and I were in the laundry every day, we'd have more

[2:33:43] Voice 11: of that.

[2:33:44] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:33:45] Voice 11: I'm just for changing the song.

[2:33:47] Voice 11: It's true, it's true.

[2:33:50] Trustee Maude: Does

[2:33:50] Voice 11: Europe dance in here?

[2:33:51] Trustee Maude: Do you have your microphone?

[2:33:52] Trustee Maude: Yeah, thank you.

[2:33:52] Trustee Maude: Oh, okay.

[2:33:53] Trustee Maude: All right, so we'll roll back to 17.1, page 63.

[2:34:01] Trustee Maude: on page 65, a nice little blurb there on Platera Island. I thought that was just fine.

[2:34:09] Trustee Maude: We're coming back

[2:34:09] Voice 3: today. Oh my god, it's not.

[2:34:13] Trustee Maude: Yeah, last year's.

[2:34:15] Voice 3: Is it?

[2:34:15] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:34:17] Voice 10: 2034?

[2:34:18] Voice 10: No, we're 2025.

[2:34:19] Voice 3: Oh,

[2:34:19] Voice 10: we just got it.

[2:34:21] Voice 10: Oh, great.

[2:34:23] Voice 9: Okay. Let's draw a veil over that.

[2:34:28] Voice 14: So, of the 14 building permits that were reviewed in the fiscal year, did they translate to

[2:34:39] Voice 14: shovels in the ground and 14 new houses, has that been our, is that our early experience?

[2:34:48] Trustee Maude: Well, we do say in use and review for CRD, so whether or not people have to proceed with

[2:34:58] Voice 14: I'm just curious, the

[2:34:59] Voice 14: first time I saw the actual number, I thought it was.

[2:35:02] Voice 15: Oh, it says.

[2:35:02] Voice 15: Not all those permits may necessarily be for near-dwelling.

[2:35:08] Voice 15: There could be a new deck for a poor world.

[2:35:11] Voice 15: Oh, okay.

[2:35:12] Voice 15: It's like a structural importance.

[2:35:14] Voice 15: 14,000?

[2:35:15] Voice 12: They haven't been 14,000.

[2:35:17] Voice 14: Right.

[2:35:18] Voice 14: 14 applications for some kind of development.

[2:35:24] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:35:26] Voice 10: Yeah, we should ask John.

[2:35:35] Voice 10: So,

[2:35:36] Trustee Maude: there's a motion there.

[2:35:56] Voice 6: No, that's fine. It's quite all right. We just saw some small things, and so, um, and

[2:36:01] Voice 6: we'll put this to turn on a local trust committee approves the attached text for inclusion in

[2:36:07] Voice 6: the 2425 annual report for approval by trust council and submission to the minister of

[2:36:13] Voice 6: housing and municipal affairs right

[2:36:15] Trustee Maude: so seconded second

[2:36:17] Trustee Maude: that carries all right so now we move on to 17.2 of page 66

[2:36:27] Trustee Maude: this is the turn of having a bio compliance enforcement policy

[2:36:32] Trustee Maude: so we could have done that kind of messed up jumping in yeah that's to be expected

[2:36:41] Trustee Maude: So, Mr. Diggins has come back online.

[2:36:46] Trustee Maude: So, where are we going to be with this?

[2:36:50] Voice 6: Well, we like it as presented.

[2:36:52] Voice 6: We've been through it.

[2:36:53] Voice 6: There's a policy we've voted in accordance with what we express as our wishes.

[2:36:57] Voice 6: We obviously have this research project as to whether or not it should maintain a policy

[2:37:03] Voice 6: or it should be inclined in the land use bylaws in some way, shape, or form.

[2:37:07] Voice 6: So we're willing to let that be in order to come back to us, but yeah, it's everything

[2:37:14] Voice 6: we could have ever hoped for and more, I think.

[2:37:17] Voice 6: So I can see his heart is swelling, isn't it?

[2:37:21] I

[2:37:22] Voice 6: mean, you know, it totally addresses, I mean, it fits the context.

[2:37:28] Voice 6: I could ask you, is this, you don't intend this to you to be a policy for adoption by

[2:37:37] Voice 6: all local trust committees or do you envisage they will adopt this but modify it or is this

[2:37:44] Voice 6: unique to Soprano?

[2:37:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So through the chair the same basic template and group of policies is being

[2:37:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: presented to each LTC. It's amended to reflect standing resolutions from each local trust area

[2:37:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and that's how the first bit of change is made to make it unique for each local trust area is by

[2:38:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: incorporating the current standing resolutions for enforcement and then as presented to the LTCs

[2:38:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they make any amendments that they wish and they reconsider further or they adopt it and yes the

[2:38:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: plan is to present it to all LTCs they may not all adopt such a document once the bylaw enforcement

[2:38:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: review is done and we have new trust council policies there may be local trust committees

[2:38:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that believe that that working document,

[2:38:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that policy document will cover enough issues.

[2:38:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Although I believe each local trust area

[2:38:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: should have its own unique set of,

[2:38:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for the most part, policies to address island issues.

[2:38:59] Voice 6: So, I mean, at this point,

[2:39:01] Voice 6: I think the challenge is to figure out

[2:39:03] Voice 6: can there be a policy with a line drawn there

[2:39:07] Voice 6: there that is then for the reference in, you know, sort of this minimal reference, no matter

[2:39:14] Voice 6: whose bylaw, does it all have to go in as an administrative bylaw? And I think we're

[2:39:20] Voice 6: in good hands to kind of spend the money in England to kind of wade into that before the

[2:39:24] Voice 6: next, and give us a report before the next meeting, I could say.

[2:39:31] Voice 5: um

[2:39:33] Voice 10: yeah i like it and what i like is um one of the things i think that's new in the policies in

[2:39:43] Voice 10: general is this idea of the vexatious complaint that's entirely new warren isn't it yes it is

[2:39:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: through the chair yes it is island's trust is i think i meant references for in previous meetings

[2:39:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for other ltcs the name of trust council island's trust is one of your jurisdictions where you won't

[2:40:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: find or there were no vexatious complainant policies pretty much all especially major

[2:40:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: jurisdictions if then the province local governments have such a policy yeah

[2:40:14] Voice 10: and i think

[2:40:15] Voice 10: um i think it's a really good thing to introduce and um i think you had experience of something

[2:40:24] Voice 10: like that elsewhere in the islands trust where you had like 63 complaints in two months which

[2:40:30] Voice 10: basically vexatious complaints neighbors against neighbors and it just overwhelmed the system so

[2:40:38] Voice 10: the idea is that if you are a complete complainer without real restitution you can be labeled as a

[2:40:48] Voice 10: vexatious complainant and your next complaint will be entertained which I hope we don't ever have to

[2:40:56] Voice 10: to do that, but it's nice to have

[2:40:58] Voice 10: a bear with that pocket.

[2:40:59] Voice 10: It's a funny thought.

[2:41:03] Voice 6: Potions of using.

[2:41:04] Voice 6: I think

[2:41:08] Voice 6: you as

[2:41:09] Voice 6: a vexation complainant may

[2:41:10] Voice 6: still make a complaint, but

[2:41:12] Voice 6: you have to seek leave of the courts

[2:41:14] Voice 6: to do so, if not,

[2:41:15] Voice 6: directly.

[2:41:17] Voice 11: Oh, it's that? It's a legal

[2:41:19] Voice 11: law.

[2:41:21] Voice 6: So,

[2:41:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to the chair,

[2:41:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Where if a person can be declared a vexatious complainant in BC Supreme Court, if they file multiple frivolous lawsuits and a BC Supreme Court judge deems them to be vexatious, that's the official designation within the legal system.

[2:41:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I don't know how often it happens, but if that happens, then yes, a person can no longer file BC Supreme Court claims or petitions without the permission of the court.

[2:41:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and even at the provincial court level they don't deem them to be a vexatious complainant but they

[2:42:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: will still order that they can no longer file small claims court actions without the permission

[2:42:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: of the court because they've filed repetitive frivolous claims i

[2:42:11] Voice 10: think it's just a common

[2:42:12] Voice 10: sense thing to put in there shouldn't really be necessary but frankly just think roosters

[2:42:20] Voice 6: Yeah, I mean, what we're trying to do is, and I think it was picked right up on it,

[2:42:25] Voice 6: is have an adult awareness of that this is a tool available to people as a last resort

[2:42:32] Voice 6: when the neighborly behavior breaks down.

[2:42:34] Voice 6: But generally, we're seeking to encourage communication, education, and awareness of

[2:42:41] Voice 6: the laws as it pertains to how we want to see our community run.

[2:42:45] Voice 6: And I think this document captures that intent.

[2:42:48] Voice 7: Okay, so

[2:42:49] Voice 6: good.

[2:42:51] Voice 10: So do we adopt it as it is? So

[2:42:56] Voice 6: now we have a staff report coming, right? That's going to basically inform us.

[2:43:01] Voice 6: Well, yeah, see how what options there might be for integration in either a recommendation without the policy. Yeah, not important. It makes the recommendations for integration of this policy into the language.

[2:43:15] Voice 6: spiral so

[2:43:16] Voice 10: don't need to do anything with this for the moment i think right

[2:43:20] Voice 5: i guess we can do

[2:43:22] Voice 5: we need to receive it all in terms of acreage i think you've passed

[2:43:27] Voice 15: our solution and we'll just

[2:43:29] Voice 15: bring that

[2:43:29] Voice 13: forward okay thank

[2:43:31] Voice 6: you thank you for your patience and listening to various

[2:43:34] Voice 6: non-related sections of the meeting it's still coming

[2:43:39] Trustee Maude: back for more so at least

[2:43:45] Trustee Maude: So, we're there. All right. So, upcoming meetings, next regular meeting scheduled for July 24th at the Saturna Recreation and Cultural Center, Saturna, Iowa.

[2:43:57] Trustee Maude: And so, we conclude with a town hall.

[2:44:00] Trustee Maude: I don't think there's anything else.

[2:44:01] Trustee Maude: But I've been probably exhaustive for you guys.

[2:44:04] Trustee Maude: So we have a motion to go to the panel.

[2:44:11] Voice 3: Well, can

[2:44:12] Voice 3: I be on the read list?

[2:44:14] Voice 3: On the read list.

[2:44:16] Voice 3: OK,

[2:44:19] Voice 10: so and this.

[2:44:22] Voice 3: Yes, that's the report.

[2:44:24] Voice 10: So I move that the Commission be closed to public

[2:44:27] Voice 10: in accordance with the Community Charter Part 4,

[2:44:29] Voice 10: Division 3.

[2:44:35] Voice 10: and that a person information rather than identify the individual who holds has been

[2:44:44] Voice 10: considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the municipality or another position

[2:44:51] Voice 10: appointed by the municipality. Law enforcement if the council considers a disclosure could

[2:44:58] Voice 10: reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or on our enforcement

[2:45:05] Voice 10: of an enactment and that the recording staff attend the meeting second second

[2:45:11] Trustee Maude: second bill.

[2:45:12] Trustee Maude: All the questions

[2:45:13] Trustee Maude: are here?

[2:45:14] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:45:15] Trustee Maude: We're done.

[2:45:16] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much.

[2:45:17] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[2:45:17] Trustee Maude: Thank you, guys.

[2:45:18] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:45:22] Voice 5: That's just

[2:45:22] Voice 5: time to go.