Islands Trust Council regular meeting, April 29, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 6: all the meeting to order, and I'm going to start with our traditional acknowledgement

[0:00:11] Voice 6: that I'm Christina Evans, I'm elected on Sudea South Pender, and I'm chair of the Trust Programs

[0:00:18] Voice 6: Committee. I'd like to welcome everybody and acknowledge that I'm meeting today on the

[0:00:27] Voice 6: the traditional unceded territories of many Coast Salish peoples.

[0:00:33] Voice 6: And this beautiful island, especially the area that I'm in,

[0:00:38] Voice 6: was used for many different purposes.

[0:00:41] Voice 6: And especially at springtime, this is in time of the year

[0:00:45] Voice 6: when our camas flowers are coming up, our chocolate lilies are coming up.

[0:00:49] Voice 6: We have a beautiful spot down at the end of the island

[0:00:54] Voice 6: where there was lots of activity that would happen and in the spring when everything is coming

[0:01:01] Voice 6: together and being reborn it's just a really good time to sit and remember who we are and who was

[0:01:10] Voice 6: here and how everybody has contributed to the history and while some of it is

[0:01:21] Voice 6: um a little darker than we would like it still exists and it still occurred and in the light of

[0:01:31] Voice 6: spring making sure that we come forward with light hearts and open hearts and remember and encourage

[0:01:39] Voice 6: to reach out and rebuild and regrow our relationships and our communications with

[0:01:50] Voice 6: with our communities outside of where we are and who belongs in there.

[0:01:56] Voice 6: So for myself, I'd also like to give a little history.

[0:02:00] Voice 6: I like to do this at each of the meetings.

[0:02:02] Voice 6: And if anybody likes to do this as well, feel free.

[0:02:04] Voice 6: I think this is a great way for us to learn who we are and how we connect with each other.

[0:02:10] Voice 6: And I love gardening.

[0:02:12] Voice 6: And when I think of roots, how our roots extend down below the ground, below what we can see

[0:02:17] Voice 6: and how we touch each other in our lives

[0:02:21] Voice 6: and how we can help support each other

[0:02:23] Voice 6: and grow and get healthy.

[0:02:26] Voice 6: So for myself, I am the daughter of Laila Juergensen

[0:02:31] Voice 6: and Eric Watson.

[0:02:33] Voice 6: I'm Irish.

[0:02:34] Voice 6: On my Irish side, we came from a town

[0:02:38] Voice 6: at the very south of Ireland called Waterville.

[0:02:41] Voice 6: And my mom came from a very, very northern town,

[0:02:44] Voice 6: 140 miles above the Arctic Circle

[0:02:46] Voice 6: from Lidingö. She was raised in Caspio. I was born in Singapore, so the other side of the world.

[0:02:55] Voice 6: And I was raised in many communities in Asia, the Mediterranean and in Europe. I've always had

[0:03:04] Voice 6: a desire for small communities. I like to feel the connection of all of my neighbours.

[0:03:09] Voice 6: I like to feel and understand the impacts that I have in people's lives.

[0:03:13] Voice 6: I have two daughters and two granddaughters. I have a stepdaughter and a stepson. I have nieces and nephews scattered around the world as well. And I'm just so blessed to be here. And I thank all of you for being here today too. And I like to hear from you, whatever you have, feel free to share.

[0:03:38] Voice 6: share. I'm going to go around the table as I see you and I'm going to start with the trustees and

[0:03:43] Voice 6: I'm going to start with Trustee Patrick who is Chair of the Islands Trust Council. Welcome and

[0:03:51] Voice 6: go ahead.

[0:03:52] Trustee Patrick: Oh good morning on this beautiful sunny day here on Salt Spring Island, territories of

[0:03:58] Trustee Patrick: the Tsenchathin and Holkamenum people. I'm very happy to be here today.

[0:04:04] Voice 6: Thank you. I see Trustee

[0:04:06] Voice 6: Steve Peterson next.

[0:04:10] Voice 19: Good morning from Huaytai, Laskiti Island,

[0:04:13] Voice 19: territory of many Coast Salish peoples

[0:04:16] Voice 19: and the Treaty Territory of the Tla'aman Nation.

[0:04:19] Voice 19: Happy to be here.

[0:04:20] Voice 19: No sun as of yet, but we got some much-needed rain,

[0:04:24] Voice 19: which we're very grateful for.

[0:04:27] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:04:28] Voice 6: I see Trustee Graham next.

[0:04:31] Voice 22: Morning, everyone.

[0:04:32] Voice 22: Trustee Graham, locally elected on Diamond Island,

[0:04:35] Voice 22: a traditional territory of the Coast Salish,

[0:04:37] Voice 22: the Comox and the Qualicum.

[0:04:39] Voice 22: and just had a wonderful weekend with friends

[0:04:42] Voice 22: that I've known since we were quite young

[0:04:45] Voice 22: and that's always a joy.

[0:04:46] Voice 22: I'm happy to be here.

[0:04:48] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:04:48] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:04:49] Voice 6: I

[0:04:50] Voice 20: see Trustee Yates next.

[0:04:53] Voice 20: Thank you, Chair Evans.

[0:04:54] Voice 20: And good morning, everyone,

[0:04:56] Voice 20: from the territory of the S'Nenemah First Nation.

[0:05:00] Voice 20: I was born and mostly raised in Tsleil-Waututh

[0:05:05] Voice 20: and Musqueam territory

[0:05:07] Voice 20: and my parents were from Treaty Territory 1

[0:05:13] Voice 20: and Treaty Territory No. 6 on the prairies.

[0:05:17] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:05:19] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:05:19] Voice 5: I

[0:05:20] Voice 20: see Trustee Gaviro next.

[0:05:25] Voice 7: Good morning, everyone.

[0:05:26] Voice 7: My name is Lisa Goverill, elected on Galliano Island,

[0:05:29] Voice 7: which is also core territory for the Penelope tribe.

[0:05:34] Voice 7: Yeah, very excited to be here.

[0:05:36] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[0:05:37] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:05:38] Voice 7: you. I see Trustee Elliott next.

[0:05:42] Trustee Elliott: Hello. It's Gwail Toby Elliott here on

[0:05:45] Trustee Elliott: Incinnamook Territory on Gabriela Island. I'm grateful to be with you all.

[0:05:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I see Trustee Faust next. Morning, everybody, from Nuhlelequim,

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast: which is Bowen Island in the mouth of Valketsam Hausaun, territory of Squamish Nation.

[0:06:00] Trustee Fast: It's the land and the waters are shared with Slilwatuth Nation.

[0:06:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I see Trustee Harris next.

[0:06:12] Okay,

[0:06:16] Voice 6: I think we have poor connection, but welcome and nice to see you. I see Trustee Maud next.

[0:06:22] Voice 21: Thank you, Chair. David Maud, elected of Main Island, traditional home to Hispanic people.

[0:06:28] Voice 6: And I'm going to ask if there are any trustees that I have missed to please speak out. And if not, I'm going to continue on with staff, if I can get staff to introduce themselves. As I see you, I see Staff Yeomans.

[0:06:42] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair Evans. Good morning, everybody. Jason Yeoman, Senior Policy Advisor at the Islands Trust, coming to you today from Islands Trust headquarters in Victoria, Lekwungen Territory, the Esquimalt and Songhees Nations.

[0:06:57] Voice 6: Thank you. I see Staff Barlow next.

[0:07:00] Voice 6: Good

[0:07:01] Voice 3: morning, everyone. I'm Robert Barlow, the Legislative Services Clerk and the Zoom host

[0:07:06] Voice 3: recorder for today. Grateful to be born, raised, and live and work on Lekwungen-speaking territory.

[0:07:17] Voice 6: Thank you. I see Staff Rater next.

[0:07:20] Voice 8: Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to be joining today from

[0:07:24] Voice 8: the territory of the Lekwungen peoples and pleased to acknowledge that I live in the territory,

[0:07:27] Voice 8: a beautiful territory of the Wissanage peoples and I'm grateful every day for the stewardship

[0:07:32] Voice 8: and ongoing work of Coast Salish peoples. Thank you. I

[0:07:36] Voice 6: see Staff Shulba next I'm not sure if

[0:07:46] Voice 6: there we go. Hi

[0:07:47] Voice 17: there yeah it's William Shulba I am coming from Salt Spring Island traditional

[0:07:52] Voice 17: territories of many Coast Salish people and working in the field today so I get to drive

[0:07:57] Voice 17: around this beautiful island and groundwater wells thank you.

[0:08:01] Voice 6: Thank you. I see Staff Elliot

[0:08:03] Voice 6: Elliot, next.

[0:08:05] Voice 2: Yeah, I squill,

[0:08:06] Voice 2: which originates from the name of,

[0:08:09] Voice 2: I'm calling in from Matilia,

[0:08:12] Voice 2: the Songhees in the Squamult

[0:08:14] Voice 2: traditional territory

[0:08:15] Voice 2: and much appreciation.

[0:08:17] Voice 2: I know I, at first, you know,

[0:08:19] Voice 2: I was, you know,

[0:08:20] Voice 2: when I was going to do

[0:08:21] Voice 2: the traditional protocol,

[0:08:21] Voice 2: I was going to say the

[0:08:22] Voice 2: Lekwungen speaking people.

[0:08:24] Voice 2: But when we,

[0:08:24] Voice 2: when we use terms like that,

[0:08:26] Voice 2: we're speaking to the,

[0:08:27] Voice 2: the speaking people.

[0:08:28] Voice 2: And in the current process,

[0:08:31] Voice 2: we have many individuals

[0:08:32] Voice 2: that are learning Lekwungen

[0:08:34] Voice 2: and they're learning Halkominum, and they're speaking their language.

[0:08:39] Voice 2: So it doesn't mean that they're traditionally from –

[0:08:41] Voice 2: because we could have a colonial person or a settler learning Halkominum,

[0:08:47] Voice 2: but it doesn't mean that they belong to that traditional territory.

[0:08:50] Voice 2: So I just thought I'd share that.

[0:08:53] Voice 2: And Aichka, thank you.

[0:08:55] Voice 2: Much appreciated.

[0:08:56] Voice 6: That's very, very helpful.

[0:08:58] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:09:00] Voice 6: And I see Staff Suramak next.

[0:09:02] Voice 6: Next morning, everybody.

[0:09:06] Voice 1: Stefan Sermak coming to you from Victoria, B.C. today.

[0:09:10] Voice 1: And as Joe said, the home of the Southeast and Esquimalt people.

[0:09:13] Voice 1: Thank you. Thank you.

[0:09:15] Voice 6: Again, if I have missed anybody, please speak up.

[0:09:19] Voice 6: Feel free to interrupt me because I'd really like to have everybody recognized.

[0:09:24] Voice 6: And thank you all for being here.

[0:09:26] Voice 6: year. So I would like to start by adopting the agenda. Does anyone have any late items or

[0:09:39] Voice 6: would like to add any new items or reorder the agenda at all? I'll just pop it on the screen.

[0:09:46] Voice 6: Thank you so much.

[0:09:47] Voice 16: Is it, it is visible at the current time?

[0:09:49] Voice 6: It's visible. Yes. Thank you.

[0:09:51] Voice 6: Thanks. I'm not seeing anyone. So by general consent, then we will adopt the agenda as shown

[0:10:03] Voice 6: and we'll step into section three, which is a public comment period. Do we have anyone

[0:10:08] Voice 6: of the public online that wishes to address us today?

[0:10:18] Voice 3: Chair, we do have one person, Maxine

[0:10:20] Voice 3: Lecter, who has put her hand up. So I'm thinking that she would like to speak.

[0:10:26] Voice 3: I'll allow her to speak.

[0:10:28] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:10:31] Voice 4: Hello.

[0:10:32] Voice 4: Can you hear me?

[0:10:33] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:10:34] Voice 4: Good morning.

[0:10:35] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:10:35] Voice 4: Good morning.

[0:10:36] Voice 4: Thank you for allowing me to speak to you today.

[0:10:39] Voice 4: I'm speaking on behalf of Friends of the Gulf Islands Society, and we had some specific

[0:10:44] Voice 4: recommendations for the water section of the Trust Policy Statement, and I do apologize.

[0:10:51] Voice 4: I realize you've already gone through this section, but I was hoping you would consider

[0:10:56] Voice 4: our comments anyway, and I'll just go through them really briefly. First sections, 3.5.1,

[0:11:11] Voice 4: we felt it was important that you should include here a mention of considerations. This is about

[0:11:21] Voice 4: about a wastewater sustainability.

[0:11:26] Voice 4: We'd like you to make it clear that you're gonna,

[0:11:29] Voice 4: that the trustees will consider current development,

[0:11:33] Voice 4: future development that's in the zoning

[0:11:37] Voice 4: and the needs of natural ecosystems.

[0:11:40] Voice 4: And then on section 3.5.5,

[0:11:49] Voice 4: this has been amended.

[0:11:50] Voice 4: and I do think it's an improvement.

[0:11:53] Voice 4: Thank you for making that improvement.

[0:11:55] Voice 4: But we would really like to see the term in-stream uses here

[0:12:00] Voice 4: as it was in the previous, you know, the current trust policy statement

[0:12:04] Voice 4: because in-stream uses is the technical term that includes all stream uses,

[0:12:11] Voice 4: you know, not just fish but insects and plants

[0:12:13] Voice 4: and everything that's required for that ecosystem to survive.

[0:12:19] Voice 4: And the other, the last one I'll mention is 355.

[0:12:25] Voice 4: And again, we've asked, we would like you to include in-stream uses and uses by natural ecosystems.

[0:12:35] Voice 4: And also, 3.4.5 and 3.5.5 should really be directives, not just advisory.

[0:12:46] Voice 4: So, I hope you'll consider these suggestions for making this just a bit stronger. Thank you.

[0:12:59] Voice 6: Thank you very much. We will definitely be discussing your letter a little later on as well, and we can address some of your comments there. Unless you've got a specific question that you'd like to have answered right now?

[0:13:14] Voice 6: No, thank you very much.

[0:13:16] Voice 6: Perfect. Thank you so much for joining today. Okay. Was that everything that you needed to say to address us today? Perfect.

[0:13:30] Voice 6: All right. And so Maxine was the only person, sorry, my dog's whining. That was the only person that we've got on for comments today?

[0:13:40] Voice 3: That is correct, Chair.

[0:13:41] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:13:42] Voice 6: And we don't have any delegations scheduled. And so that actually does bring us into, oh, Trustee Yates?

[0:13:51] Voice 20: Just a quick question, Chair Evans. So will we be dealing specifically with Ms. Lecter's comments and questions later on?

[0:14:03] Voice 6: yep that's the very next section which is correspondence which is the letter she just

[0:14:08] Voice 6: referenced and I'm actually just if you can excuse me I'm going to put my dog outside

[0:14:13] Voice 6: so that he's not going to be sitting here whining the whole time give me one second I will be right

[0:14:18] Voice 6: back

[0:14:19] Trustee Fast: yeah well

[0:14:20] Trustee Fast: she's gone Robert I'm going to join from my desktop computer so I'm just going

[0:14:27] Trustee Fast: to leave the webinar from my phone and come back in if somebody can let me in thank you

[0:14:31] Trustee Fast: so

[0:14:43] Voice 6: sorry about that all right so um let's jump into discussion of the letter so um

[0:15:07] Voice 6: I know that staff would have had a look at the letter as well I'm assuming everybody's also read

[0:15:14] Voice 6: the letter and Maxine is correct we have um reviewed 351 a couple of times um we also have

[0:15:26] Voice 6: William Schulba on the line. So maybe we can invite him to address some of the elements that

[0:15:36] Voice 6: we've got in here in the letter and what we've currently got in our draft policy. So would

[0:15:47] Voice 6: Steph Schulba be able to come up and help us with this? There he is.

[0:15:56] Voice 17: Yeah. Hi there. I'll be

[0:15:59] Voice 17: be more prepared in about five minutes I'm just going to pull over just driving right now that's

[0:16:06] Voice 17: free but not to kick this over to Hunter Yeomans but or speak to the directives comment I think

[0:16:17] Voice 17: we can start there perfect

[0:16:19] Voice 6: that sounds good um staff yeomans hi

[0:16:28] Voice 13: there chair Evans sorry let me

[0:16:30] Voice 13: just queue up my video.

[0:16:33] Voice 6: That's good. So the first recommendation that is in the letter

[0:16:42] Voice 6: is that these should all be directive and not advisory. And I'm just going to have a peek in

[0:16:46] Voice 6: here because kind of people would just get to

[0:16:52] Voice 16: shuffle around between screens and a paper copy

[0:16:55] Voice 16: copy here to...

[0:17:00] Voice 6: I'm just getting there myself. So 351, that is directive. So 351 is directive

[0:17:30] Voice 6: right now. So we currently only have two advisory freshwater policies. I will wait for staff to

[0:17:50] Voice 6: comment on those. Sure.

[0:17:52] Voice 16: I'm hesitant to provide what I would call, you know,

[0:17:56] Voice 16: definitive advice off off the top of my head here looking at the advisory

[0:18:03] Voice 16: policies versus the current directive policies I can pause it that

[0:18:07] Voice 16: particularly around freshwater quality that that falls more under the direct

[0:18:16] Voice 16: responsibility of the provincial government in that they own for lack of

[0:18:22] Voice 16: of a better word, and control in-stream, in-water uses and from time to time do monitoring of such

[0:18:30] Voice 16: things. Whereas the Islands Trust controls land uses and indeed uses on the surface of those

[0:18:40] Voice 16: bodies of water, which can contribute to the relative quality of that water, but the quality

[0:18:48] Voice 16: quality of the water itself is not a direct responsibility of the Islands Trust. That is

[0:18:55] Voice 16: kind of my superficial understanding of why those particular policies might be framed as advisory

[0:19:01] Voice 16: rather than directive, though I welcome either William Shulbaugh or any other staff who happen

[0:19:07] Voice 16: to be online who want to jump into that. Now, I would say that if TPC is looking for sort of a

[0:19:15] Voice 16: formal response from staff to these suggestions from Friends of Gulf Islands, that that would be

[0:19:21] Voice 16: best made as a resolution. And we report back shortly with that, rather than sort of making

[0:19:28] Voice 16: policy on the fly or trying to come up with sage wisdom. Yeah, no,

[0:19:32] Voice 6: that is perfectly acceptable.

[0:19:34] Voice 6: I'm just wanting us to have a quick look through this to make sure that we haven't missed anything.

[0:19:38] Voice 6: thing. So yeah. Okay. I see Trustee Harris has his hand up. So while we're waiting for

[0:19:49] Voice 6: Staff Schulbert to reach a point where he can discuss with us, I'll turn it over to

[0:19:53] Voice 6: Trustee Harris for his comment or question. Are you there? I think Trustee Harris has

[0:20:09] Voice 6: a poor connection. He's put his hand down. So Trustee Graham.

[0:20:12] Voice 6: Thank

[0:20:15] Voice 22: you, Chair. Considering after this policy statement goes out for referral, we'll be gathering an awful lot of comments from various groups and individuals.

[0:20:27] Voice 22: And, you know, that's probably the staff, we'll probably ask the staff or Trust Council will ask the staff to come back with their recommendations on some of these suggestions.

[0:20:37] Voice 22: It might be, it might be, it might make more sense from a labor perspective to just not ask staff to look at these specifically with this request, but just to add these to the number of referrals that we will get once we have first reading.

[0:20:52] Voice 22: That's just a suggestion. Otherwise, we kind of open the door to people at this stage sending us all sorts of suggestions, great suggestions perhaps, but then we might get bogged down in waiting for the answers to come back sporadically.

[0:21:08] Voice 6: Sounds good. Thank you.

[0:21:09] Voice 18: Can you hear me now?

[0:21:11] Voice 6: Yes, I can hear you now.

[0:21:13] Voice 6: Oh,

[0:21:13] Voice 18: great. Thank you.

[0:21:15] Voice 18: Thank you. I'll defer to Trustee Yates.

[0:21:19] Voice 20: Perfect. Trustee Yates?

[0:21:20] Voice 20: Thank you, Trustee Harris. I sort of agree with Trustee Graham on, you know, it does have to go to first reading, but I really value people who are taking the time, especially a group working together, taking the time to comment on these sections as we are going through them.

[0:21:40] Voice 20: because if they are valuable comments then we should be adding them now or we should be changing

[0:21:46] Voice 20: them now um i'm not i'm not clear myself whether i would agree with um changing some advisory to

[0:21:55] Voice 20: directive i have to think about that some more but i actually do agree with all of the other

[0:22:02] Voice 20: comments um the changes that we've got in red in front of us here in the letter thank you

[0:22:09] Voice 20: Thank you. Yeah. Trustee Harris, go ahead.

[0:22:14] Voice 18: Thank you. Yeah, I just would say that I disagree with what the Friends of the Gulf Islands have to say here.

[0:22:21] Voice 18: And, you know, in a lot of ways, I almost think there's negative value to what's being proposed.

[0:22:27] Voice 18: You know, in my point of view, you know, due to the undemocratic representation aspect of the trust organization,

[0:22:35] Voice 18: I think that all of these, you know, sections ought to be advisory, and none of them should be directory, or directive, rather. I believe it's an overreach. And if we really want to get this policy statement through one of the support from the communities, I think advisory is the way to go. Thank you.

[0:22:56] Voice 18: Thank

[0:22:57] Voice 6: you, Trustee Harris. Okay, so what we can do is we can go into section six, which is our business work programs items. As we go through, because I know that we still have 3.5.1 on our list for completion, there's still a couple of outstanding items there.

[0:23:23] Voice 6: We can take a look at some of the suggestions, see if there's anything that we would like to make any changes on.

[0:23:32] Voice 6: Again, we have William Schilber with us. I'm just going to pull up my outstanding list of things.

[0:23:40] Voice 6: meetings so yeah three five one we had and this is this is going on the of the list of

[0:23:52] Voice 6: proposed recommendations that was sent out to everybody at the last meeting so on march 6th

[0:24:02] Voice 6: we had trustee getty and trustee boland make a couple of suggestions we had steph schulber

[0:24:10] Voice 6: discuss those and say that he still supported the way that it's currently written we then have

[0:24:23] Voice 6: a third one that was sent on march 6th by trustee boland regarding fresh water storage and this was

[0:24:32] Voice 6: a recommendation for a new policy to come after 3.5.1 so if we're going to be in this section

[0:24:40] Voice 6: Assuming everyone has had a chance to read the letter from the Friends of the Gulf Islands, does anyone have any recommendations that they would like to put forward at this point?

[0:25:01] Voice 6: Does anyone have any further discussion that they would like at this point?

[0:25:06] Voice 6: Trustee Peterson?

[0:25:09] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[0:25:09] Voice 19: no recommendations for me at this moment but um i do think to uh

[0:25:18] Voice 19: to understand what the implications of the suggestions in the letter um would really

[0:25:24] Voice 19: mean in terms of out on the ground um land use planning um is more i think that would require

[0:25:32] Voice 19: some some staff analysis so I'm I'm not

[0:25:38] Voice 19: comfortable with with incorporating any

[0:25:42] Voice 19: of these suggestions without some some serious feedback from staff so I will

[0:25:49] Voice 19: just leave it at that for the moment thank you

[0:25:50] Trustee Fast: that's good

[0:25:52] Trustee Fast: um trustee fest thank you chair um i'm looking at my uh list of uh for example the february 6th

[0:26:03] Trustee Fast: 2025 meeting that was the committee the whole on zoom where quats and first nation expressed

[0:26:10] Trustee Fast: their disappointment through staff about um how the process is going and uh how they're um

[0:26:20] Trustee Fast: Well, anyway, they had a bunch of comments related to their input, and I wonder if we might want to consider our process now, whether we want to be accepting public input during this period of Trust Programs Committee making, this is supposed to be about us, right?

[0:26:46] Trustee Fast: right? And our input, isn't that what this section of the process is about? Because I don't feel

[0:26:53] Trustee Fast: comfortable inviting or incorporating other input now when so much has come before. Staff have done

[0:27:06] Trustee Fast: a bunch of work. We've got the draft. The purpose of this section of the process is for trustees

[0:27:12] Trustee Fast: to go through it and then we're going to go back assuming we give it first reading at trust council

[0:27:19] Trustee Fast: to open it to the public and to nations and everybody again i wonder is this the time to be

[0:27:29] Trustee Fast: uh incorporating or asking staff to do more um work when i think we need to get through this

[0:27:39] Trustee Fast: so that we can get the first reading so the process can go forward and uh this is why i'm

[0:27:43] Trustee Fast: looking at the uh comments from quads and first nation in um uh in particular uh

[0:27:53] Trustee Fast: wondering if the playing for floor is equal um for all the different kinds of input that we're

[0:28:01] Trustee Fast: we're getting? Or what's the purpose of our meetings as trustees? Are we, let's consider

[0:28:10] Trustee Fast: that. That's my, I don't, as much as I appreciate the letter from Friends of Gulf Islands, I don't

[0:28:17] Trustee Fast: think now is the time to be considering those suggestions, however fine they might be. Thank you.

[0:28:26] Trustee Fast: Thank

[0:28:28] Voice 6: you. I'm just going to clarify again, we have three outstanding items on section 3.5.1 from trustees that we're closing on right now.

[0:28:41] Voice 6: If during that discussion, somebody else has anything else that they want to bring up on section 3.5.1, that may include suggestions from the letter that we got from the Friends of Gulf Islands from the trustees.

[0:28:55] Voice 6: This is a time for us to have that discussion, because we're still discussing that section. I'm not suggesting that we as a body right now dissect the letter to come up with recommendations or motions, but we have three outstanding from trustees from before.

[0:29:19] Voice 6: And we have William Shulbert on the line who can help address any questions that have come up about anything that we've seen today.

[0:29:30] Voice 6: So then we can close this section down and move on to the next item that has been raised by trustees.

[0:29:37] Voice 6: I'm not sure if I'm being clear, if I'm confusing the issue here.

[0:29:41] Voice 6: Trustee Elliott?

[0:29:44] Voice 6: I'm

[0:29:45] Trustee Elliott: just not clear. Where are those three drafted policies that you're referring to?

[0:29:50] Voice 6: Okay, so I'm going to ask Staff Yeomans if he can bring up,

[0:29:55] Voice 6: this was sent out at the last, I sent it out to everybody at the last meeting.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: is what we went through at the last meeting we still have outstanding items on that list

[0:30:05] Voice 6: and we're going to be continuing that list today so i'm not sure if everybody still has that list

[0:30:13] Voice 6: or if you'd like it brought up on the screen chair

[0:30:17] Voice 16: evans it may take a few minutes for us to um

[0:30:19] Voice 16: to locate that and bring it up on the screen so just bear with us for a sec no problem

[0:30:24] Voice 16: and you

[0:30:26] Voice 16: know what i don't know if it's worth noting that those um those items that are on the list are

[0:30:31] Voice 16: are ideas that trustees have had, not sort of formal recommendations.

[0:30:37] Voice 16: So it's up to a trustee, I think, to bring those forward as proposed resolutions,

[0:30:43] Voice 16: if indeed those are changes that they want to see made.

[0:30:47] Voice 6: These were draft recommendations that had been drafted either by the Committee of the Whole

[0:30:54] Voice 6: when we didn't have quorum, or that they'd been sent in by trustees.

[0:31:00] Voice 6: trustees. So I'd like to, I'd like to, I'd like to get through them because these are draft

[0:31:09] Voice 6: recommendations or motions. So I think it's appropriate that we acknowledge and go through

[0:31:18] Voice 6: them. Trustee Elliott? Sure.

[0:31:21] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. And, but just as a point of process, if we're going to be looking

[0:31:25] Trustee Elliott: at documents, they should be added to the agenda. So I think for the public's information and for

[0:31:31] Trustee Elliott: for everyone to be on the same page, I wasn't under the impression we'd be considering these

[0:31:38] Trustee Elliott: today. So let's all get caught up. But I think in future, if we're going to bring forward previous

[0:31:47] Trustee Elliott: recommendations that haven't been addressed, that should be part of the agenda package.

[0:31:51] Trustee Elliott: So everybody's got it. Thanks.

[0:31:54] Voice 8: Steph, Rita?

[0:31:57] Voice 8: I'll just note, like, this wouldn't be something we would include in an agenda package. It's simply

[0:32:01] Voice 8: for trustee information that these were previously considered political ideas so I think you could

[0:32:06] Voice 8: have them for your reference but we wouldn't be adding this to an agenda in the way that we you

[0:32:11] Voice 8: know any trustee approaching a meeting might have an idea we don't add those two agendas as items

[0:32:15] Voice 8: so simply this is there as a courtesy for your reference but would not be put forward as a

[0:32:20] Voice 8: potential motion unless a trustee wanted to do a trustee RFD which I think might be overblown at

[0:32:25] Voice 8: this point please just have this available we're happy to bring it on screen for you but it wouldn't

[0:32:29] Voice 8: be an agenda item per se okay

[0:32:34] Voice 6: so i believe we touched on these two sections of 3.5.1

[0:32:39] Voice 6: at the last meeting with staff shulba and i believe that staff shulba said he

[0:32:45] Voice 6: still supported the existing language the way that it was written um so i'm throwing the question

[0:32:54] Voice 6: out there because i still had a question mark beside these are we satisfied to leave the wording

[0:33:00] Voice 6: wording the way that it is, and call these two items complete and addressed.

[0:33:18] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson?

[0:33:20] Voice 19: Sorry, by the two items, you're meaning 3.51 and 3.55?

[0:33:26] Voice 6: No, 3.51 and 3.51 by Trustee Getty and Trustee Boland.

[0:33:31] Voice 19: Okay, those two.

[0:33:32] Voice 19: Gotcha.

[0:33:33] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:33:34] Voice 6: I think everybody's had a chance to read them.

[0:33:41] Voice 6: And like I said, I believe Staff Shulbaugh still supported the current language rather than the recommended changes.

[0:34:02] Voice 6: Trustee Yates?

[0:34:05] Voice 20: Yeah, my concern is that on an island like Gabriola, for example, we don't have real watersheds.

[0:34:13] Voice 20: We have water catchment areas.

[0:34:15] Voice 20: So I don't want to lose that.

[0:34:19] Voice 20: But perhaps Staff Shulbaugh could help me with that.

[0:34:23] Voice 20: Staff Shulbaugh?

[0:34:25] Voice 17: Yeah, hope you can hear me okay. Yeah, so watersheds on the islands, I think I described this before, are quite unique because of the amount of coastline for the area of the island creates many watersheds.

[0:34:41] Voice 17: So watersheds would be kind of the finest resolution of a water.

[0:34:48] Voice 17: A larger water management unit is groundwater regions, which the province uses in their adjudication of water licenses at times.

[0:34:58] Voice 17: And that was the Island Trust Policy Statement when the rewrite was or when this project started.

[0:35:08] Voice 17: and there's a lot of consideration that it's only focused on groundwater areas or just on

[0:35:16] Voice 17: groundwater sorry so the the intention of watersheds is that there is a current need for

[0:35:25] Voice 17: and and push from the provincial government for watershed security and and it is a unit that

[0:35:30] Voice 17: that can be identified, say on Salisbury Island,

[0:35:36] Voice 17: all of the watersheds have been mapped

[0:35:39] Voice 17: and there's a map that's supported

[0:35:44] Voice 17: by the capital regional district and the province.

[0:35:47] Voice 17: I would just to kind of expand this a bit

[0:35:51] Voice 17: and looking at the letter that was provided

[0:35:53] Voice 17: in the agenda package,

[0:35:54] Voice 17: talking about groundwater capture areas,

[0:35:56] Voice 17: is um that that's not a a defined term that um that we have it could be groundwater regions but

[0:36:05] Voice 17: again i i'm i'm comfortable with watersheds because um we can identify the vulnerability

[0:36:12] Voice 17: of a particular watershed and in in a particular groundwater region there can be

[0:36:18] Voice 17: several watersheds and and and then they can be analyzed that way so uh just to summarize it's

[0:36:26] Voice 17: It's likely the finest resolution of a water management unit that we have based on the natural lay of the land.

[0:36:38] Voice 20: Thank you. That's very helpful. Thank you.

[0:36:42] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Elliott?

[0:36:45] Trustee Elliott: So I think what I'm hearing is citizen groups and trustees probably too want additional protection,

[0:36:53] Trustee Elliott: but we don't know what we're talking about because we're not groundwater scientists.

[0:36:56] Trustee Elliott: scientists. So all of these terms should probably be captured in the glossary. We don't have any

[0:37:03] Trustee Elliott: definitions of watersheds or groundwater regions. So perhaps we can add that to discussion of the

[0:37:15] Trustee Elliott: glossary of terms and how extensive does that need to be. But I'm content with what we heard

[0:37:23] Trustee Elliott: from Freshwater Specialist Shulba.

[0:37:26] Trustee Elliott: I think this has already been discussed

[0:37:28] Trustee Elliott: and there's lots of feedback that's going to come back,

[0:37:34] Trustee Elliott: but we need to be precise in using the language

[0:37:39] Trustee Elliott: that the province is using

[0:37:43] Trustee Elliott: and that will be consistent for all of our OCPs.

[0:37:47] Trustee Elliott: So thanks for that.

[0:37:48] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:37:49] Trustee Elliott: Steph Shulba?

[0:37:50] Trustee Elliott: Thank

[0:37:52] Voice 17: you for that comment about definitions. I wholeheartedly agree. I think that we did have a glossary of terms that we were proposing around groundwater regions when we were using that term.

[0:38:07] Voice 17: But I agree with you. I think that one of the changes of this 351 from 4.4.2, the current policy statement, was the term areas because areas was not defined.

[0:38:21] Voice 17: So an area, what is an area? Is it the entire island? Is it a particular parcel?

[0:38:26] Voice 17: So that's why we wanted to start a management air unit and landed on watersheds here.

[0:38:33] Voice 17: So indeed, I agree that that should be defined.

[0:38:37] Voice 17: And then beyond that, I think that if we're using that area watershed as a policy statement here,

[0:38:48] Voice 17: here that it's likely that it'll be quite helpful for the LTCs if that unit is defined on a map

[0:38:56] Voice 17: and that map either is provided in the decision-making process or becomes a scheduled

[0:39:04] Voice 17: map in the OCPs. But that's up for LTCs and planners to decide. But I agree if we're going

[0:39:12] Voice 17: to be using a term like that, that it should be defined and it should be mapped and it should be

[0:39:15] Voice 17: agreed upon thanks great

[0:39:18] Voice 6: uh great comment thank you okay so for now we'll call these two items

[0:39:24] Voice 6: dealt with and we will go to the last page where we've got um by trustee boland on march 6th

[0:39:32] Voice 6: it says after section 3.5.1 freshwater storage so it's on the next page keep going

[0:39:40] Voice 6: there we go second one down so trustee boland has recommended a new policy regarding

[0:39:50] Voice 6: freshwater storage to encourage freshwater harvesting i'll let you quickly read that again

[0:39:58] Voice 6: to familiarize yourself with it and then let's open up a quick conversation about freshwater

[0:40:07] Voice 6: harvesting and whether this should be under a directive policy or an advisory policy or if it

[0:40:13] Voice 6: belongs in here or if this belongs at the bylaw level staff silver uh

[0:40:24] Voice 17: yes thank you um chair um

[0:40:29] Voice 17: so aside from commenting on freshwater harvesting and fresh water storage um which is you know

[0:40:36] Voice 17: in an area of water scarcity is a good thing to use and to create increased storage for for

[0:40:42] Voice 17: management of the supply um the the second half of the um statement here uh is quite problematic

[0:40:51] Voice 17: and it's it's similar to the the similar to the statement that was provided as an alternative

[0:40:58] Voice 17: five point or 3.51 um it's it's very difficult to to assign that if any given water supply is

[0:41:09] Voice 17: likely to be inadequate or unsustainable at the time of uh application um that's why uh three

[0:41:16] Voice 17: three five one reads that that intensity or density is not increased in areas no one to have

[0:41:22] Voice 17: a uh you know an issue with quality and quantity where this is that um the other side it's saying

[0:41:29] Voice 17: if this supply will not be inadequate or unsustainable and it it may seem trivial but

[0:41:37] Voice 17: But it's not because 351 puts the onus on Islands Trust to determine if areas are inadequate or unsustainable.

[0:41:46] Voice 17: And the way that this is worded, it would be the developer that would have to determine that.

[0:41:52] Voice 17: So the wording is often not discussed.

[0:41:58] Voice 17: Freshwater or storage is not a good thing to do or put in a policy.

[0:42:03] Voice 17: I'm not sure what trustees have to say about that.

[0:42:07] Voice 17: But I'm just saying that the second half of the statement is problematic.

[0:42:12] Voice 6: Okay, so what I'm hearing, sorry, you were cutting out a bit for me.

[0:42:16] Voice 6: I'm not sure if that was me or you, that it might be better to simply truncate this a little bit and say established policies to encourage freshwater harvesting and freshwater storage, period.

[0:42:31] Voice 17: Yeah, that would solve my statement of the issue.

[0:42:37] Voice 17: Okay,

[0:42:39] Voice 6: and that would also then leave this a little bit more open for individual island trust, trustees interpretation, how it could be applicable to their islands.

[0:42:53] Voice 6: Okay, so do we have any discussion on this? How do we feel about adding this in as a new policy? Is this something that people would like to get behind? Do we think it's a good idea? Or are we satisfied not having it in here? Trustee Elliott?

[0:43:12] Voice 6: Yes,

[0:43:14] Trustee Elliott: I do think as an advisory policy that it would be useful. Well, actually, let's see. So established policies to encourage or support supportive policies that I do.

[0:43:41] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I need to think about this, but I think we should have something about freshwater storage.

[0:43:48] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure about freshwater harvesting because freshwater storage, I think, captures both of them.

[0:43:56] Trustee Elliott: You can store freshwater that's either, you know, trickled from a well or captured from rainwater.

[0:44:08] Trustee Elliott: But yeah, I think I'm supportive of adding this.

[0:44:11] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure about advisory or directive.

[0:44:14] Trustee Elliott: I'm going to let somebody else who's more articulate speak.

[0:44:18] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:44:19] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[0:44:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[0:44:22] Trustee Fast: If we add this, which I don't know if we need to,

[0:44:26] Trustee Fast: because I think Islanders and local trust committees

[0:44:34] Trustee Fast: do consider collecting fresh water from rooftops,

[0:44:43] Trustee Fast: But I'm concerned with the words. And so maybe if we have it, I think it would be just advisory if we included it all, because I think the encouraging freshwater harvesting, I'm not in favor of because that implies to me harvesting it from the environment, which is nature surrounding dwellings.

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast: And I've even seen options for collecting water from the air as a kind of way to provide a proposal floated to provide water for a development.

[0:45:34] Trustee Fast: And I think about how drying that would be to the trees and lands around to how what it would do to the ecosystem and to fire risk.

[0:45:50] Trustee Fast: And I'm not in favor of including that word harvesting or actually including this at all.

[0:46:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[0:46:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:46:02] Trustee Fast: Trustee Harris.

[0:46:05] Voice 18: I didn't see how this can be even problematic. Although, being that this is the policy statement, and like I mentioned on my first statement today, that I think all of these, you know, everything should be advisory with a policy statement.

[0:46:21] Voice 18: Anyways, with that, you know, with this 3.5.1, the words established policies to, to me, are redundant and don't need to be there. If this statement simply said encourage freshwater harvesting and freshwater storage in areas where the quantity or blah, blah, blah, is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable, I think it will be just fine.

[0:46:45] Voice 18: So, again, the words established policies to, in my view, could be simply removed and it would be a much clearer, you know, advisory type of suggestion. Thank you.

[0:47:00] Voice 6: Thank you. Go ahead, Trustee Yates. I've got my hand up. I'll go afterwards.

[0:47:04] Voice 6: okay

[0:47:06] Voice 20: thank you um i like trustee harris's suggestion of the editorial um um just getting

[0:47:14] Voice 20: rid of that first phrase established policies too because this is a policy so um and the other

[0:47:21] Voice 20: thing i wanted to mention was i'm not sure about encouraging harvesting i'm quite nervous about

[0:47:28] Voice 20: that i certainly want to encourage storage wherever possible but what i think about with

[0:47:33] Voice 20: harvesting as possible commercial operations pumping a neighborhood dry to provide it elsewhere

[0:47:43] Voice 20: so i i'm concerned about that thanks thank

[0:47:48] Voice 6: you uh my comments are sort of falling along the

[0:47:50] Voice 6: lines of most other people um i know on south panda we do have um uh bylaws that state how much

[0:48:00] Voice 6: a minimum amount of water storage you need to have on your property so i know that this is

[0:48:06] Voice 6: something that i think most islands are doing i don't know if most islands are doing it

[0:48:11] Voice 6: but given the climate and the way that it's going i'm not in favor of harvesting the word

[0:48:20] Voice 6: harvesting because of how that can be interpreted in the future so i do have pause there i do wish

[0:48:29] Voice 6: to encourage storage of water on the property especially given the dryness and the wildfires

[0:48:36] Voice 6: and everything that's happening at some point we are going to wind up with something on a property

[0:48:39] Voice 6: we do have to have available water on our property to help with many different things how we get

[0:48:46] Voice 6: there i think requires a little bit more thought so at this point i'm not in favor of moving this

[0:48:55] Voice 6: forward i would like something in the future but i don't know exactly how it should be worded

[0:49:01] Voice 6: and i'm not sure if i should just want to leave this with the individual um island trustees in

[0:49:08] Voice 6: the bylaws to come up with that so i think it would be good to have something in policy at the

[0:49:14] Voice 6: top end to encourage each of the islands to have something like this but i also think it's a well

[0:49:24] Voice 6: well worth item to look into to see whether or not they're already in existence at this point

[0:49:31] Voice 6: i don't know thanks stuff yes

[0:49:39] Voice 17: thank you hopefully you can hear me um yeah not to be contrarian but

[0:49:46] Voice 17: um just just a piece of of like water management logic is that uh any harvesting is limited by

[0:49:55] Voice 17: storage. And we've done water budget calculations. I think I spoke about this before. A group of

[0:50:08] Voice 17: students from UVic, from the Department of Engineering, did a water budget calculation

[0:50:12] Voice 17: on the route, which is a building owned by the Salt Spring Farmers Institute. And the amount of

[0:50:22] Voice 17: harvesting from the roof and and the limitations of the most amount of

[0:50:27] Voice 17: storage that they could put on the property was a fraction of a fraction of

[0:50:32] Voice 17: a fraction of the annual amount of water that that was deposited on that like one

[0:50:39] Voice 17: or two acre property or something so I hear the concern of maybe industrial

[0:50:49] Voice 17: water harvesting and I'm willing to take some

[0:50:54] Voice 17: offline conversations with trustees because I've designed those before in my

[0:50:58] Voice 17: past life as a consultant. But

[0:51:01] Voice 17: encouraging harvesting simply just

[0:51:08] Voice 17: helps

[0:51:10] Voice 17: the prevention of overuse of groundwater

[0:51:16] Voice 17: resources. Thanks.

[0:51:20] Voice 6: Thank you. Trustee Harris?

[0:51:22] Voice 6: Hi,

[0:51:23] Voice 18: I'd like to make a motion that would say, we would add, encourage freshwater storage in areas where the quality or quantity of the supply of groundwater is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable.

[0:51:42] Voice 18: sustainable okay

[0:51:46] Voice 6: so if we can start that and i'm just as an advisory trustee harris

[0:51:52] Voice 6: if we go for it

[0:51:54] Voice 6: for a second we open it up for editing prior and then once we've landed on

[0:52:01] Voice 6: something that uh that is that is good and agreed on with everybody then we go for a second is that

[0:52:07] Voice 6: that okay um

[0:52:08] Voice 18: well i i would just rather make the motion and then discuss um okay

[0:52:17] Voice 6: i'm not sure if

[0:52:18] Voice 6: you first or i first um this is this is the process that we're using in here to avoid having

[0:52:24] Voice 6: to go through multiple amendments on motions so i'm not sure that's

[0:52:31] Voice 18: if that's following robert's

[0:52:33] Voice 18: rules then i guess um i'll have to go with it but um again i just wanted to make the motion that

[0:52:38] Voice 18: that stated what I said there.

[0:52:42] Voice 6: Yeah, absolutely.

[0:52:43] Voice 6: I'm just asking staff if they can get that started

[0:52:46] Voice 6: and pop it on the screen.

[0:52:48] Voice 6: We

[0:52:55] Voice 5: can just make it a bit bigger.

[0:53:00] Voice 6: Perfect. Thank you so much.

[0:53:08] Voice 6: Okay, so Trustee Elliott,

[0:53:12] Voice 6: do you have some comments on the motion on the screen?

[0:53:21] Voice 3: Chair, I don't believe I captured it correctly.

[0:53:26] Voice 6: Okay, Trustee Harris,

[0:53:27] Voice 6: Boris, could you help Steph Barlow with the wording?

[0:53:33] Voice 18: I would have to see the previous screen to make sure.

[0:53:42] Voice 6: What I can do is I can, okay, let's

[0:53:54] Voice 5: wait for it to come back up again.

[0:54:02] Voice 16: Sorry, and I'll just speak directly to Robert Barlow here via your meeting.

[0:54:06] Voice 16: Robert, you might want to add, I believe we are creating a new advisory policy.

[0:54:11] Voice 6: Yeah, so we'll get to those comments in just a second.

[0:54:16] Voice 16: Just in terms of how the motion is phrased.

[0:54:19] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:54:22] Voice 18: Was to have it phrased, encourage freshwater storage in areas where the quality or quantity of the supply of groundwater is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable.

[0:54:52] Voice 6: Does that does that say what you wanted to say, Trustee Harris?

[0:55:04] Voice 6: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.

[0:55:06] Voice 18: It looks very, very good. Thank you.

[0:55:08] Voice 6: Okay, perfect. Trustee Elliott.

[0:55:12] Trustee Elliott: um i i agree i i would like to second the motion if you're ready for that and i have another one

[0:55:19] Trustee Elliott: in the queue not

[0:55:21] Voice 6: yet we're not ready to second the motion yet do you have further comments trustee

[0:55:28] Voice 6: elliott no

[0:55:31] Voice 11: i'll hold them when the motion is ready to be seconded okay

[0:55:35] Voice 6: so can i get you to lower your

[0:55:37] Voice 6: hand then i'd like to stay in the queue right but we're going to be having a discussion on this

[0:55:44] Voice 6: first so when you when when this is finished and you want to bring a new motion on then put your

[0:55:49] Voice 6: hand back up and we'll deal with it um what i would like to add to this is that um that we're

[0:55:55] Voice 6: creating a new advisory policy after section uh 3.5.1 so that we know where it is in here and um

[0:56:15] Voice 6: Um, I know that, uh, Steph Schulbe wanted to remove, uh, the,

[0:56:26] Voice 17: uh, yeah, I have my hand

[0:56:28] Voice 17: up just to comment on that.

[0:56:29] Voice 17: Um, if I may, um,

[0:56:33] Voice 6: I will lower my hand and I will hold the rest of my comments to later,

[0:56:38] Voice 6: uh, trustee fast.

[0:56:41] Trustee Fast: Um, I, I just had a note that, uh, uh, William Schulbe had, um, uh, proposed that the second

[0:56:48] Trustee Fast: can part of this be left off and uh so i'm i'll just take my hand down and let him speak to that

[0:56:56] Trustee Fast: perfect look at that we're

[0:56:58] Voice 6: getting to staff shulba yeah

[0:56:59] Voice 17: great um thank you chair um i i think this

[0:57:03] Voice 17: would i guess not a friendly amendment because we haven't moved the motion yet but um i i think that

[0:57:08] Voice 17: what would satisfy uh me in this situation is that if if indeed the the um advisory policy is trying

[0:57:17] Voice 17: to target areas of groundwater vulnerability that just simply removing the term of the supply would

[0:57:28] Voice 17: satisfy my concern because then that would just say that where the quality and quantity of

[0:57:34] Voice 17: groundwater is likely to be inadequate or sustainable that then that can relate to not

[0:57:39] Voice 17: only human use but ecosystem use and just general knowledge of the groundwater in that area of the

[0:57:45] Voice 17: the supply is adjudicating some type of water demand, usually for land use.

[0:57:52] Voice 17: So I think that would just kind of broaden the scope of the policy.

[0:58:02] Voice 17: And just one other comment I wanted to make on freshwater storage and freshwater harvesting

[0:58:07] Voice 17: is that when we talk about that, it's rainwater and stormwater.

[0:58:13] Voice 17: Those two water sources are not vested by the provincial government, unlike surface water in streams and in wetlands and in lakes and in groundwater.

[0:58:27] Voice 17: So groundwater you can store from your own well, and the limit to that is 2,000 liters per day, so that's a lot.

[0:58:35] Voice 17: um but but not not anyone can just go and start storing water from from the natural system that

[0:58:42] Voice 17: that would require a water license so that would have to go through the province and and be licensed

[0:58:49] Voice 17: to do that so i just wanted to make that clear that that usually when when we talk about fresh

[0:58:55] Voice 17: water harvesting it's it's either in existing wells or existing surface water licenses if it

[0:59:01] Voice 17: it allows for it or rainwater or in some cases stormwater. Thank you.

[0:59:08] Voice 5: Thank you. Steph, Rachel?

[0:59:11] Voice 8: Thank you. I just wanted to mention to Trustee Harris that perhaps for the beginning of the

[0:59:16] Voice 8: motion, we've moved away because the beginning of the structure was for when we were at Committee

[0:59:22] Voice 8: of the Whole and could only make recommendations. This committee can direct staff or request staff.

[0:59:27] Voice 8: So if you might want to have something that says that Trust Programs Committee requests staff

[0:59:31] Voice 8: to draft a new advisory policy thank

[0:59:37] Voice 5: you uh

[0:59:42] Voice 6: staff shelbert do you have some more comments

[0:59:44] Voice 6: no okay oh sorry no worries um so yeah so you've actually addressed a couple of things that i

[0:59:51] Voice 6: wanted to bring up um okay so if we can remove of the supply that would be great

[0:59:59] Voice 6: Thank you for watching.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: just move that um okay so it now reads that trust programs committee request staff to draft a new

[1:00:06] Voice 6: advisory policy after section 3.5.1 that encourages fresh water storage in areas where the quality or

[1:00:12] Voice 6: quantity of groundwater is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable and i had a comment but i've

[1:00:20] Voice 6: forgotten it so i'm going to put my hand down until i can think of it again um trustee harris

[1:00:26] Voice 18: Yeah, I'm just wondering what, you know, do we need a whole big policy created by staff or can it not just be very simple and where it would state, you know, in the policy statement, there would be the line that says the Islands Trust encourages freshwater storage in areas where the quality or quantity of groundwater is likely to be inadequate or sustainable.

[1:00:52] Voice 18: sustainable like i i'm just concerned that there's going to be a big you know a whole bunch

[1:00:57] Voice 18: of effort put in and of and what you know to what extent will this policy be worded if we're asking

[1:01:04] Voice 18: staff to do that can it not just be as simple as i as it is stated and i guess i'm asking staff

[1:01:09] Voice 18: that question uh

[1:01:13] Voice 6: i will turn this over to staff freighter then or

[1:01:17] Voice 16: sorry i can answer

[1:01:19] Voice 6: that i'm not

[1:01:20] Voice 6: sure if you can

[1:01:20] Voice 16: see my physical hand up. I think in this case, Trustee Harris is quite correct. In

[1:01:25] Voice 16: the past where trustees are proposing a new addition, they simply frame the resolution as

[1:01:33] Voice 16: request staff to draft a new advisory policy. And in this case, it would potentially be 3.5.6

[1:01:38] Voice 16: to read as follows, that local trust committees and island municipalities should and encourage

[1:01:47] Voice 16: freshwater storage in areas where the quality or quantity of groundwater is likely to be inadequate

[1:01:51] Voice 16: or unsustainable and then the policy is is written and you don't have to wait for staff to come back

[1:01:58] Voice 16: with something that may or may not be exactly what um trustee harris had initially proposed

[1:02:03] Voice 6: thank you and that was my comment so um trustee harris so can we

[1:02:07] Voice 18: do that now go

[1:02:10] Voice 6: ahead and say it

[1:02:12] Voice 18: um i can't say it much better than um staff jason yeomans has just said so if we can

[1:02:17] Voice 18: put that up on the screen I'd be happy to read that it

[1:02:20] Voice 6: is on the screen you

[1:02:22] Voice 6: just have to tell him what words to change would

[1:02:28] Voice 15: you

[1:02:30] Voice 6: like me to say it for

[1:02:31] Voice 6: you because that was going to be my comment okay

[1:02:35] Voice 17: sure okay

[1:02:37] Voice 6: so if we can

[1:02:38] Voice 6: change the word that after section 3.4 5.1 so that it reads that trust programs

[1:02:48] Voice 6: committee request to draft a new advisory policy after section 3.5.1 that reads, open quotation

[1:02:58] Voice 6: marks, capitalize the E, and then close quotation marks at the very end.

[1:03:10] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:03:12] Voice 16: And can I just suggest, Chair, that it be new advisory policy 3.5.6 rather than saying after

[1:03:22] Voice 16: or section 3.5.1?

[1:03:25] Trustee Fast: Or you

[1:03:26] Voice 16: can choose whichever, however, whatever number you want to assign to

[1:03:29] Voice 16: it, it can be.

[1:03:30] Voice 6: Yeah, I think it was intended to go after 3.5.1.

[1:03:34] Voice 16: 3.5.1 is a directive policy.

[1:03:37] Voice 16: And I think this is a proposed advisory policy. So it'll be a little further down in the numbering.

[1:03:44] Voice 6: okay so we would have to agree to that first because this was originally requested as a

[1:03:53] Voice 6: directive i perhaps i missed where it was requested that it be turned into an advisory

[1:03:59] Voice 6: which is fine as well and if that's the case then yes we do need to change the numbering

[1:04:03] Voice 6: so i will turn it back over to who to the to trustee harris was this intended as

[1:04:10] Voice 6: directive or advisory as

[1:04:13] Voice 18: advisory as i stated at the beginning and um um jason yeomans had mentioned

[1:04:19] Voice 18: um a little bit of different wording prior to encourages um i would love it if you can refresh

[1:04:25] Voice 18: my memory on that oh

[1:04:31] Voice 16: it was simply the preamble of the advisory policies which begin um local

[1:04:36] Voice 16: trust committees and island municipalities should and then the policy which in this case is

[1:04:42] Voice 16: encourage freshwater storage? Yes.

[1:04:44] Voice 16: So what he said.

[1:04:47] Voice 6: So that's already in the draft policy.

[1:04:50] Voice 6: That is the preamble. That is the beginning of the advisory policy. That is the statement that

[1:04:56] Voice 6: happens as you read them. So it's already in there. What's on the screen is the wording that

[1:05:01] Voice 6: would be added.

[1:05:04] Voice 18: Well, I'm ready to read this if you're ready to hear it.

[1:05:08] Voice 6: Just one moment, please.

[1:05:09] Voice 6: um staff shulba uh

[1:05:12] Voice 17: yeah thank you for getting me in 11th hour here um so again there's the word

[1:05:18] Voice 17: areas in there which is problematic and um since i i think that the the idea of of this advisory is

[1:05:27] Voice 17: to um is to identify groundwater areas right so i think that we can change that to groundwater

[1:05:33] Voice 17: regions we have groundwater regions delineated on every single major island the island's trust area

[1:05:39] Voice 17: So to address, again, the likelihood to be an adequate and sustainable, again, that needs to be defined and likely mapped out.

[1:05:48] Voice 17: So groundwater regions would be the Waterman Management Unit for specifically for groundwater.

[1:05:54] Voice 17: So that would work there.

[1:05:56] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:05:59] Voice 6: I just have a quick question.

[1:06:03] Voice 6: um so if we if we if it now reads encourage uh freshwater storage of groundwater regions for the

[1:06:10] Voice 6: quality and quantity blah blah that works for you or like would it also work if it just said

[1:06:16] Voice 6: encourage freshwater storage where the quality and quantity of groundwater is likely to be

[1:06:21] Voice 6: inadequate or unsustainable which is better uh

[1:06:25] Voice 17: sorry definitely groundwater regions because then

[1:06:28] Voice 17: then if we're removing any type of area,

[1:06:32] Voice 17: then it could be a meter by meter square,

[1:06:35] Voice 17: like there'd be no analysis there.

[1:06:37] Voice 17: So I think groundwater regions works.

[1:06:41] Voice 17: It has been used on Galliano Island

[1:06:45] Voice 17: that drove policy around increased storage

[1:06:50] Voice 17: and they call them water management areas,

[1:06:53] Voice 17: but they're based on the groundwater regions of Galliano,

[1:06:56] Voice 17: which are kind of the oldest groundwater regions dating back to the 1970s so this this isn't a new

[1:07:02] Voice 17: concept and and so i think if um you know i i think it's it's worthwhile to to to use uh the

[1:07:09] Voice 17: term groundwater regions rather than just have it like an open open scape um for groundwater issues

[1:07:16] Voice 17: thanks thank

[1:07:18] Voice 6: you so much um any further comments or questions or changes to the wording

[1:07:23] Voice 6: on the motion on the screen trustee

[1:07:27] Voice 18: yes I would prefer to read as stated prior

[1:07:31] Voice 18: to what staff William Shilpa has just added I don't see a problem with areas

[1:07:37] Voice 18: this clearly is just an advisory thing we're adding and we're just encouraging

[1:07:44] Voice 18: we're not trying to create some big policy this is a you know a very very

[1:07:49] Voice 18: very friendly statement um from us and i and i prefer to read it um as stated on the screen now

[1:07:57] Voice 6: okay so i would prefer to follow staff's recommendation so i would prefer it the

[1:08:03] Voice 6: other way um that's my comment trustee govaron uh

[1:08:09] Voice 7: just to say the same um i won't be voting

[1:08:12] Voice 7: in favor of the motion unless it aligns with what staff have put out thanks thank you

[1:08:18] Voice 6: so

[1:08:23] Voice 18: I'm ready to read the motion if you're ready to hear it, otherwise.

[1:08:27] Voice 6: The motions, yeah, so just hold on a second, please, Trustee Harris.

[1:08:31] Voice 6: We have an issue here.

[1:08:33] Voice 6: We've got trustees who want to follow staff's recommendation versus your wording.

[1:08:42] Voice 20: Trustee Yates?

[1:08:44] Voice 20: I agree with Trustee Govro.

[1:08:46] Voice 20: I would love to vote in favor if we could just use the staff's recommendation.

[1:08:51] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:08:52] Voice 20: Trustee Peterson?

[1:08:55] Voice 19: yeah thank you chair uh i think i would uh ask that we consider um going a little bit more back

[1:09:03] Voice 19: into robert's rules process here because of where we're at and um and letting the motion be made

[1:09:10] Voice 19: seconded and then there would be could we could have consideration of amendment

[1:09:14] Voice 19: if desired i think this is the time to use the process thank you chair okay

[1:09:18] Voice 6: so in that case

[1:09:22] Voice 6: is Trustee Harris. We will call for a seconder on the motion on the screen. Trustee Peterson,

[1:09:34] Voice 6: you're seconding? Seconded. Any further discussion on the motion on the screen? Trustee Harris?

[1:09:47] Voice 18: Do I need to read this or is it basically?

[1:09:50] Voice 6: It's already been read. Okay. You've got another

[1:09:53] Voice 6: comment? No.

[1:10:10] Trustee Fast: I think our chair has frozen.

[1:10:13] Voice 18: Seems to me that she's frozen as well.

[1:10:34] Trustee Fast: Shall we take a five-minute break? I think the vice chair isn't here. Who's vice chair? Oh, now she's gone.

[1:10:46] Voice 8: Yes, it's Trustee Allen is vice chair and he's not here. So perhaps a five-minute break.

[1:10:52] Voice 8: Okay, we'll be back.

[1:10:56] Voice 8: Would anyone like longer in the absence of a chair here?

[1:10:59] Voice 15: Yeah, 10

[1:11:01] Voice 19: to 10, 16.

[1:11:05] Voice 8: Okay, five

[1:11:05] Voice 8: -minute break. Thanks all.

[1:11:48] Voice 6: Sorry, everyone. Can you hear me?

[1:11:49] Voice 6: yeah

[1:11:51] Trustee Elliott: we took a break while we um while you were cut off there yeah

[1:11:57] Voice 6: sorry i lost power oh dear

[1:12:01] Voice 6: of course it's like perfect timing okay so i'll come back in four minutes hopefully i can reconnect

[1:12:34] Voice 15: recording okay

[1:15:09] Voice 6: so it's 3 16 apologies for all of that um so this was moved but once we can get

[1:15:19] Voice 6: this back up on the screen i'm not sure if we've got staff back or not i'm just going to ask when

[1:15:54] Voice 6: you come back if you can put your um your camera on so i can see that you're there so we can make

[1:15:58] Voice 6: sure that we've got quorum okay thank you um so i believe we've got quorum back in the room

[1:16:07] Voice 6: this has been moved and seconded i believe and we were just calling to see if there's any further

[1:16:14] Voice 6: discussion and i see trustee peterson has his hand up and yes

[1:16:23] Voice 19: thank thank you chair uh just in

[1:16:25] Voice 19: consideration of my earlier comment um and uh several trustees speaking in favor of the

[1:16:35] Voice 19: staff suggested language which i believe was groundwater regions rather than areas

[1:16:41] Voice 19: um so i would like to move an amendment that they word areas be replaced with groundwater regions

[1:16:50] Voice 19: Thank

[1:16:52] Voice 6: you. I'll just wait for that to get up on the screen. Does that capture your intent, Trustee Peterson? And I'm going to ask if you can make it a little larger. I can't read it. Thank you. Do I have a seconder for the amendment? Trustee Elliott, thank you.

[1:17:37] Voice 6: any further discussion or comments on the amendment as on the screen not seeing any

[1:17:48] Voice 6: i'm going to call the vote on the amendment all those in favor please raise your hand

[1:17:53] Voice 6: thank you please lower your hand and those opposed not seeing any that carries and now

[1:18:14] Voice 6: we will go back to the amended motion thank you any further discussion or comments on the amended

[1:18:45] Voice 6: motion not seeing any i'm going to call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand

[1:18:56] Voice 6: thank you please lower your hand and those opposed one opposed that carries great so

[1:19:22] Voice 6: that now if we go oh sorry trustee elliott you had another motion that you wanted to bring forward

[1:19:29] Voice 6: I do.

[1:19:32] Trustee Elliott: So as I was reading these policies, and Robert, I sent it to you by email so everyone could see it.

[1:19:41] Trustee Elliott: It occurs to me that most of them are about making sure we don't, well, that development is not put where it would compromise freshwater.

[1:19:53] Trustee Elliott: water. I think what's missing, and maybe I'm missing it here because it might be captured in

[1:20:00] Trustee Elliott: 3.5.2, is the protection of critical recharge areas. And so we've been having the discussion,

[1:20:15] Trustee Elliott: and of course Gabriel is sort of ground zero for the water balance project, so I had taken a lot

[1:20:22] Trustee Elliott: lot of notes at our last meeting based on some of William Shulbaugh's wording. So a policy that

[1:20:31] Trustee Elliott: would identify regions with high groundwater recharge potential for protection might be

[1:20:41] Trustee Elliott: considered. Robert, could you put that up there? That TPC would request staff to draft a new

[1:20:47] Trustee Elliott: freshwater directive policy that reads identify regions with high groundwater recharge potential

[1:20:53] Trustee Elliott: for protection and number the policy appropriately and

[1:21:05] Voice 6: did you want um staff shulba to weigh in on

[1:21:10] Voice 6: this was that staff advice would be great thanks um staff shulba would do would you be able to

[1:21:16] Voice 6: weigh in on this do we still have staff shulba on the line yes we do i'm not sure if he's available

[1:21:33] Voice 6: available right now okay

[1:21:37] Trustee Elliott: we could just wait and move on um because it would be good to get his

[1:21:43] Trustee Elliott: feedback but yeah does anybody can anybody see whether something like this is captured in our

[1:21:48] Trustee Elliott: existing drafted policies i

[1:21:57] Voice 6: haven't seen it but maybe um i'm just going to ask if staff

[1:21:59] Voice 6: rater can text um staff shoulder to see if he can rejoin us thank

[1:22:08] Voice 5: you um okay i'm not seeing

[1:22:20] Voice 6: anybody else having any comments on this so we really do need stuff yes

[1:22:28] Trustee Fast: I'm looking at 3.3.5

[1:22:32] Trustee Fast: in the draft watershed ecosystems it says identify and prioritize the preservation protection and

[1:22:41] Trustee Fast: restoration of watershed ecosystems freshwater sources and groundwater recharge areas maybe

[1:22:48] Voice 7: Maybe

[1:22:48] Trustee Fast: that's sufficient.

[1:22:50] Trustee Fast: I'm not sure, but I just wanted to draw the attention to it.

[1:22:54] Trustee Fast: 3.5.

[1:22:56] Trustee Elliott: That's great.

[1:22:57] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I don't think this is necessary then.

[1:22:59] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:22:59] Trustee Elliott: Thanks so much.

[1:23:00] Voice 6: Thank you so much, Trustee Fast.

[1:23:03] Voice 6: Perfect.

[1:23:05] Voice 6: All right.

[1:23:06] Voice 6: Trustee Fetis, did you have something else that you'd like to add?

[1:23:11] Voice 6: Thank you so much.

[1:23:12] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:23:13] Voice 6: OK, so going back to our list of motions from trustees, if we go to the third page, there are now only three left outstanding.

[1:23:32] Voice 6: The first one that I'd like to address, which was touched on at our last meeting, but I don't think we finished it, is under new policies and principles on page three.

[1:23:45] Voice 6: 2.2.2, this was brought forward by Trustee Fast.

[1:23:49] Voice 6: that we add a new cooperation principle and a 2.2.2 to be just follows and saying so we

[1:24:00] Voice 6: have trustee fast here um would she like to make the motion trustee thanks thank you chair yes and

[1:24:08] Trustee Fast: just to let people know that i have had um input from uh senior policy advisor yeomans on this back

[1:24:16] Trustee Fast: in the previous year I believe. So I would like to move that Trust Programs Committee

[1:24:28] Trustee Fast: requests staff to add a new directive or add a new principle as follows to collaborate with

[1:24:43] Trustee Fast: island municipalities particularly in the areas of conservation planning, communications and

[1:24:47] Trustee Fast: engagement the policy statement and other areas supporting the islands trust object we'll just

[1:24:56] Voice 6: give staff a minute to get that up on the screen i

[1:25:02] Trustee Fast: just read the same wording from the oh yeah i

[1:25:06] Trustee Fast: didn't include the heading collaborate with island municipalities but it's basically what's written

[1:25:11] Trustee Fast: there in 2.2.2 no

[1:25:21] Voice 6: worries um can we get that up on the screen i think it's stuff is it who's who's

[1:25:28] Voice 6: looking after the staff humans or there we go staff barlow thank you and

[1:25:36] Trustee Fast: i can i can speak to

[1:25:38] Trustee Fast: it a little bit if people want go

[1:25:41] Voice 6: for it um

[1:25:42] Trustee Fast: this was uh uh something i proposed back in in 2024 i

[1:25:48] Trustee Fast: believe i could look at my note but uh with the idea of um uh when the trust policy statement

[1:25:56] Trustee Fast: was drafted there were no island municipalities and uh and there's a whole section um at the

[1:26:03] Trustee Fast: beginning about um cooperation principles uh islands trust conservancy is in there for example

[1:26:10] Trustee Fast: uh indigenous communities i believe are in in there now uh and this would uh round it out so

[1:26:17] Trustee Fast: that island municipalities uh would be consulted um when uh issues like this uh like the ones

[1:26:26] Trustee Fast: listed in the motion are under consideration. So it's just bringing the policy statement

[1:26:33] Trustee Fast: up to date to match the existing situation and to make sure nobody's excluded.

[1:26:41] Thank you.

[1:26:44] Voice 6: Steph Barlow, I saw you wave your hand.

[1:26:49] Voice 3: I resolved the issue. It's fine.

[1:26:52] Voice 6: Okay, thank you. Do we have any additions or changing to the wording as seen on the screen?

[1:27:00] Voice 6: I have

[1:27:02] Trustee Fast: one.

[1:27:04] Trustee Fast: Yep.

[1:27:05] Trustee Fast: It could be under the heading, collaborate with island municipalities.

[1:27:12] Trustee Fast: So a new principle under the heading, new principle under the heading, collaborate with island municipalities in section 2.2, cooperation principles.

[1:27:47] Trustee Fast: To read,

[1:27:49] Voice 3: open quote.

[1:27:58] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:27:59] Voice 6: okay so I think I missed a little bit on your thing here because it currently reads that trust

[1:28:06] Voice 6: program committee request staff to add a new principal as follows so I think I think that

[1:28:12] Voice 6: first I think you meant that to be to add a new principal under the heading thank you yes

[1:28:18] Voice 6: new

[1:28:19] Trustee Fast: principal under the heading my apologies thank you for catching that

[1:28:25] Voice 6: remove the semicolon

[1:28:27] Voice 6: and then open quotes yeah perfect I think that captures what you intended

[1:28:46] Voice 6: ended thank you any further we're changing or are we happy with the language looks like can i get a

[1:29:00] Voice 6: seconder for the motion trustee elliott that was very enthusiastic okay any discussion on the motion

[1:29:10] Voice 6: not seeing any oh trustee elliott

[1:29:20] Trustee Elliott: you're you're muted thanks um i think it's fantastic and of

[1:29:25] Trustee Elliott: Of course, we don't want to not include anyone.

[1:29:28] Trustee Elliott: So thank you for bringing this forward, Justy Fass.

[1:29:33] Trustee Elliott: Island municipalities are an incredibly important part of the trust area.

[1:29:36] Trustee Elliott: Thanks.

[1:29:38] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:29:40] Voice 6: Any further comments or discussion?

[1:29:44] Voice 6: Not seeing any.

[1:29:46] Voice 6: Let's put this to the vote.

[1:29:47] Voice 6: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[1:29:50] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:29:53] Voice 6: Please level your hand.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: any opposed not seeing any that carries oh hang on i see

[1:30:08] Voice 6: one is opposed yeah sorry i just had a

[1:30:11] Voice 6: glitch in mine so one opposed thank you so much that is carried all right the next item that i

[1:30:20] Voice 6: have on the list is right above um the one that we just dealt with and that is with regards to

[1:30:30] Voice 6: definitions. And maybe if we can get that on the screen in just a second. I know it takes a little

[1:30:38] Voice 6: bit of time. So I appreciate staff doing all of this. Thank you so much. And I know that we were

[1:30:45] Voice 6: having discussion about adding a couple more definitions in as well. So maybe we can capture

[1:30:50] Voice 6: it all in this section. So this is on page three right there. So this is brought forward by Trustee

[1:30:58] Voice 6: getty that can that uh and we'll we'll adjust it a little bit and seeing as their trusty getty

[1:31:05] Voice 6: isn't here perhaps somebody else can move this motion um but it's to add to the definition

[1:31:11] Voice 6: section definitions of recreational significance active recreation natural heritage sites

[1:31:20] Voice 6: and add a marine section to the sensitive ecosystems definition so uh what was so we're

[1:31:32] Voice 6: also talking about adding watersheds to definitions um what else are we adding to

[1:31:39] Voice 6: definitions trustee elliott um

[1:31:43] Trustee Elliott: i i think it's a good idea to be general um so add definitions

[1:31:47] Trustee Elliott: related to groundwater and watersheds or watersheds and and then we can let staff bring

[1:31:57] Trustee Elliott: any definitions that are in the policy statement that need to be articulate or clarified okay so

[1:32:08] Voice 6: if somebody would like to make the a motion that we can look at and work with on the screen

[1:32:16] Voice 6: that would be lovely trustee yates oh

[1:32:20] Voice 20: i was just going to agree with trustee elliott thank you

[1:32:24] Voice 6: so if somebody would like to trustee elliott sure

[1:32:34] Trustee Elliott: i'd be happy to make the motion um although

[1:32:38] Trustee Elliott: an ad after so after add a marine section add a marine and watershed

[1:32:50] Trustee Elliott: watershed section to sensitive ecosystems and then comma and capture all deficit all

[1:33:01] Trustee Elliott: and define all terms necessary so robert maybe we could amend the the writing here so natural

[1:33:14] Trustee Elliott: heritage sites and add remove the word a add marine comma and watershed sections

[1:33:35] Trustee Elliott: to sensitive ecosystems comma and define all relevant terms and add marine and sorry after

[1:34:03] Trustee Elliott: after add marine comma and quote watershed end quote yeah and then remove the end quote after

[1:34:15] Trustee Elliott: sections so um that reads pretty good to me so i move that trust programs committee request staff

[1:34:24] Trustee Elliott: to add to the definitions section is it a glossary or definition i thought it was called glossary

[1:34:31] Trustee Elliott: i

[1:34:32] Voice 6: see jason's hand is up glossary we're gonna let trustee elliott finish speaking first before

[1:34:38] Voice 6: I move on. But I do want clarity on that.

[1:34:41] Voice 16: Yeah, it's glossary of terms, Trustee Elliott.

[1:34:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay, to add to the glossary of terms, the following definitions, and then colon,

[1:34:57] Trustee Elliott: and we can remove, sorry, add that, yeah, remove that, the following definitions,

[1:35:03] Trustee Elliott: remove of recreational significance, active recreation, natural heritage sites,

[1:35:07] Trustee Elliott: and add marine and watershed sections to sensitive ecosystem systems and define all relevant terms.

[1:35:14] Trustee Elliott: Does that fit?

[1:35:21] Voice 5: Sounds good. Staff Yeomans?

[1:35:25] Voice 16: Sure. I just wanted to note particularly, so the way this is phrased, to add marine and watershed sections to sensitive ecosystems.

[1:35:32] Voice 16: Sensitive ecosystems are defined by the provincial government through their BC sensitive ecosystem inventory.

[1:35:39] Voice 16: And each of those sensitive ecosystems that are listed in that inventory have a particular characterization that makes them sensitive.

[1:35:46] Voice 16: so marine is not necessarily a sensitive ecosystem right like there's a vast expanse of saltwater

[1:35:55] Voice 16: surrounding all of our islands all of which is important but not all of which is necessarily

[1:36:00] Voice 16: sensitive in the way that it's that sensitive ecosystems are characterized by the provincial

[1:36:05] Voice 16: government so um i don't know what to do about that but maybe in our reporting back to you

[1:36:11] Voice 16: with a way to approach this, we may propose some alternatives to that. So I get like, certainly,

[1:36:18] Voice 16: if I understand correctly, Trustee Elliott, perhaps you are looking for a definition of

[1:36:22] Voice 16: watershed and what we mean when we use the term watershed in the policy statement. And so that

[1:36:28] Voice 16: may perhaps be better just as a standalone term in the glossary that we define and doesn't

[1:36:34] Voice 16: necessarily live under this sensitive ecosystems where each of the sensitive ecosystems that's

[1:36:38] Voice 16: already defined in the glossary is defined in accordance with the provincial government's

[1:36:42] Voice 16: definition of those sensitive ecosystems, if that makes sense.

[1:36:49] Voice 6: Thank you, Steph Yeomans. Trustee Elliott?

[1:36:52] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I'm not sure what the intent of that motion was to add it to sensitive ecosystems. I

[1:36:59] Trustee Elliott: can see that sensitive ecosystems is, there's lots of definitions, including freshwater,

[1:37:06] Trustee Elliott: water riparian wetland and woodland in the glossary already so she'd been asking to add

[1:37:14] Trustee Elliott: marine to the sensitive ecosystems definition and you're right then terms related to

[1:37:25] Trustee Elliott: freshwater watersheds would be in a separate area thanks for that so so okay let's change

[1:37:41] Trustee Elliott: Actually, we could just remove and watershed and just put that after natural heritage sites and then comma and add marine sections to sensitive ecosystems.

[1:38:00] Trustee Elliott: Ecosystems. Yeah. So we're going to now, after heritage sites, Robert, comma, and watersheds, comma, and then add marine sections to sensitive ecosystems and define all relevant terms. Does that work, Jason?

[1:38:24] Trustee Elliott: Jason?

[1:38:31] Voice 16: Yes, we can work with that. I guess we'll see what we come up with in terms of adding marine

[1:38:37] Voice 16: to the sensitive ecosystems section. I think I would prefer Chustagetti was perhaps here to

[1:38:47] Voice 16: speak to what her intent was with that motion. But we can do our best to work with it. And if

[1:38:54] Voice 16: it turns out that it makes more sense to do something else, we'll just simply suggest that

[1:38:59] Voice 16: to you as as an alternative thank

[1:39:03] Trustee Fast: you trustee fast thank you that sounds like a good suggestion i

[1:39:08] Trustee Fast: also was thinking i don't think there is marine in sensitive ecosystems however in the provincial

[1:39:14] Trustee Fast: definition however islanders and tend to treat um some marine areas as sensitive ecosystems for

[1:39:24] Trustee Fast: example eelgrass uh beds and patches so i'm looking forward to what you come up with i'm

[1:39:30] Trustee Fast: in support of the motion and i'll be happy to second it when we're at that point thank you

[1:39:34] Trustee Fast: thank

[1:39:36] Voice 6: you and i'm just remembering the conversation that we had regarding

[1:39:39] Voice 6: anchorages and we were having a discussion of sensitive marine systems or ecosystems

[1:39:49] Voice 6: again surrounding eelgrass where there were anchorages and we wanted to have a definition

[1:39:54] Voice 6: to support that so this may not necessarily sit underneath sensitive ecosystems but perhaps it

[1:40:03] Voice 6: could be a standalone um uh what was it uh sensitive marine ecosystems could be a standalone

[1:40:13] Voice 6: that is not necessarily under the government um identified sensitive ecosystems um so that's my

[1:40:22] Voice 6: My only comment, and yes, I am in support of this, and however it is that we get to

[1:40:26] Voice 6: fit it in, I think it's good.

[1:40:27] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:40:30] Voice 6: Any further comments on the wording?

[1:40:36] Voice 6: Not seeing any.

[1:40:37] Voice 6: Can I get a seconder, please?

[1:40:39] Voice 6: Thank you, Trustee Fast.

[1:40:42] Voice 6: Okay, any discussion on the motion on the screen?

[1:40:50] Voice 6: Not seeing any.

[1:40:51] Voice 6: Okay, are we ready to vote?

[1:40:55] Voice 6: I'm going to call it.

[1:40:56] Voice 6: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[1:41:02] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:41:03] Voice 6: Please lower your hand.

[1:41:04] Voice 6: and any opposed I see one opposed that carries and the last item that I have on the list that

[1:41:24] Voice 6: we haven't addressed yet is one that was brought forward by trustee Elliot this is also underneath

[1:41:30] Voice 6: new policy slash principles on the third page it's the last item mitigating impacts and seeing

[1:41:38] Voice 6: so we have trustee elliott with us today i'm going to ask that she speak to this and if she

[1:41:44] Voice 6: wishes to to move a motion regarding it and then we can discuss it trustee

[1:41:52] Trustee Elliott: elliott i'm i'm thank

[1:41:56] Trustee Elliott: you um i am trying to remember if we discussed this during the housing uh conversation um

[1:42:07] Trustee Elliott: um because jason could do you recall this this one didn't end up on the list so i'm kind of

[1:42:18] Trustee Elliott: thinking i might need a moment to get back to this um uh chair no

[1:42:25] Voice 6: i just need to

[1:42:26] Trustee Elliott: look at my

[1:42:26] Trustee Elliott: notes from that meeting sounds

[1:42:30] Voice 6: good all right so what we can do then is we can um have a quick

[1:42:39] Voice 6: quick discussion of where we are. So we've gone through sections two to five, I think it is,

[1:42:51] Voice 6: sorry, two and three. So now we're at part four, which is implementation. And I think this will

[1:42:59] Voice 6: elicit a fair amount of discussion. I do want to get back to reviewing, I think it was parts

[1:43:06] Voice 6: parts one and parts one which we haven't really um had a discussion outside of the legal opinion

[1:43:17] Voice 6: um trusty fast um

[1:43:20] Trustee Fast: right above these two there's another one that we uh have put off a couple

[1:43:25] Trustee Fast: times talking about according to my notes here um 3.4.26 yes these two i had this checked off

[1:43:39] Trustee Fast: that we had discussed it we discussed it april 2nd um and then i have a note here uh from that

[1:43:49] Trustee Fast: claire suggested we come back to it at another meeting um because there was a question of whether

[1:43:54] Trustee Fast: the words uh well nobody can see it now so yeah

[1:43:58] Voice 6: we just have to scroll up a little bit it's very

[1:44:00] Voice 6: next one above it there yeah thank

[1:44:03] Trustee Fast: you there it is um the question of uh a directive policy about

[1:44:10] Trustee Fast: identifying and supporting the acquisition and protection of public access to publicly owned

[1:44:15] Trustee Fast: lands and uh so this was the idea of um public access and uh by anybody to crown land and

[1:44:24] Trustee Fast: and shorelines. And the question was, as I, in my notes anyway, was about after the word

[1:44:33] Trustee Fast: acquisition, should the words by a public body be needed? I'm not sure if anybody's got

[1:44:40] Trustee Fast: thoughts about this. I did initially have the wording that's on there was looked at and

[1:44:49] Trustee Fast: and had input and suggested wording from Jason Newmans.

[1:44:53] Trustee Fast: So 3.4.26, the question is,

[1:44:58] Trustee Fast: should it say acquisition by a public body?

[1:45:02] Trustee Fast: And Claire Frater had suggested come back at another meeting.

[1:45:06] Trustee Fast: And this is another meeting.

[1:45:08] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering whether there's a sticking point.

[1:45:13] Trustee Fast: Is there something I can do to help advance this?

[1:45:22] Voice 6: Staff Frater, go ahead.

[1:45:25] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:45:25] Voice 8: Yeah, we had a huddle of staff and thought in the end

[1:45:28] Voice 8: that as proposed, it's likely fine. While I have the floor, I'll just let you know that

[1:45:34] Voice 8: senior policy advisor Eumann's mouse has died. So he's rushed off to find batteries. So for a

[1:45:39] Voice 8: moment, we won't be able to shift the screen and he'll be back as soon as possible. But yeah,

[1:45:42] Voice 8: we did have a discussion after the meeting and said, you know what, as drafted, it likely is

[1:45:46] Voice 8: fine. And my concern could be addressed at the local trust committee municipality level

[1:45:50] Voice 8: by those the staff advising at that time okay

[1:45:55] Voice 6: so as drafted is good

[1:45:58] Trustee Fast: trustee fast thank you

[1:46:01] Trustee Fast: uh that being the case and also having had to replace my mouse um i uh would like to uh move

[1:46:08] Trustee Fast: this motion go for it

[1:46:11] Voice 6: i

[1:46:12] Trustee Fast: move that trust programs committee requests staff to add a new directive

[1:46:16] Trustee Fast: of policy 3.4.26 public access to public slash crown land that reads and identify and support

[1:46:24] Trustee Fast: the acquisition and protection of public access to publicly owned lands do

[1:46:31] Voice 6: we have any um comments

[1:46:34] Voice 6: or changes to the language trustee peterson i

[1:46:44] Voice 19: just uh question for staff on this um i do support

[1:46:48] Voice 19: the notion here but the the piece that I'm wondering about is public access to

[1:46:56] Voice 19: foreshore which is also something that I think needs to be protected and in some

[1:47:03] Voice 19: cases the acquisition of such access to be supported and so I just looked to

[1:47:11] Voice 19: staff on whether that sort of fits here or should be a separate piece

[1:47:17] Voice 6: staff

[1:47:19] Voice 6: I'm not sure if you can answer that question.

[1:47:26] Voice 8: Certainly, I'll draw your attention back to you've got the draft policy around 3.4.22, identify and support safe public access to community marinas, boat launches and docks.

[1:47:38] Voice 8: So you have that already around sort of marine facilities.

[1:47:41] Voice 8: And I thought we did have one as well.

[1:47:43] Voice 8: Oh, public shoreline access is 3.4.25, identify new and protect existing and support of safe public access to marine shorelines.

[1:47:53] Voice 8: so i think you've already got that one addressed is that i'm missing it there or is that all right

[1:48:00] Voice 19: no great thank you okay

[1:48:02] Voice 8: thank you um

[1:48:06] Voice 6: okay so any i don't see any other changes to the language

[1:48:10] Voice 6: so can i get a seconder trust to go for a thank you okay so discussion on this motion

[1:48:24] Voice 6: any discussion throw my own hand up i'm just going to ask staff to advise us again on our

[1:48:32] Voice 6: jurisdiction when it comes to support as Trust Council and as Island Trustees, what our

[1:48:43] Voice 6: jurisdiction is regarding the acquisition of publicly owned, yeah, to support the acquisition

[1:48:52] Voice 6: of public access to publicly owned lands. What is our jurisdiction with the acquisition?

[1:49:00] Voice 16: I can answer that, Chair Evans. You know, in all likelihood, it is not going to be a body of the Islands Trust that is going to be acquiring public access ways. Rather, I mean, you can certainly identify them, which is an important part of schedule maps in an OCP is to identify either current or desired future pathway systems to lead to places that you would like your community members to be able to get to.

[1:49:27] Voice 16: And then you can support the acquisition of these types of rights of ways through the development process, potentially.

[1:49:35] Voice 16: So if a rezoning application comes before you that happens to have either a already used or potentially future used pathway to access some public lands that are of value to the community,

[1:49:47] Voice 16: then you can use your development process perhaps to work with a regional district

[1:49:52] Voice 16: or maybe a conservation body of some sort in order to secure those lands.

[1:49:58] Voice 16: But it won't be the local trust committee that will be acquiring them.

[1:50:02] Voice 6: Thank you for the clarification.

[1:50:04] Voice 6: Trustee Harris?

[1:50:06] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:50:07] Voice 18: The word, our wording support the acquisition,

[1:50:11] Voice 18: this seems like it could be quite alarming or frightening to many.

[1:50:15] Voice 18: and this, you know, how will the acquisition be taken?

[1:50:18] Voice 18: You know, this, I really don't see the point of this

[1:50:21] Voice 18: and I'll be voting against it.

[1:50:23] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:50:24] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:50:25] Voice 6: And we've just had clarification from staff humans

[1:50:28] Voice 6: regarding how the words support the acquisition

[1:50:34] Voice 6: apply to us as trust bodies.

[1:50:38] Voice 6: Trustee Fast?

[1:50:40] Trustee Fast: Just to note that island municipalities can acquire.

[1:50:45] Trustee Fast: so as you know thinking about this as open to whatever organization so for example

[1:50:57] Trustee Fast: ministry of transportation can acquire it as a public right-of-way maybe a road end that is

[1:51:04] Trustee Fast: waiting for a road eventually or never maybe the province in some cases maybe

[1:51:13] Trustee Fast: Maybe, who knows, what other public agency, Islands Trust Conservancy has properties that

[1:51:20] Trustee Fast: nature reserves that have trails.

[1:51:22] Trustee Fast: There could be a variety of ways, and I didn't want to tie it down.

[1:51:26] Trustee Fast: I think Jason Yeomans has answered the question.

[1:51:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:51:32] Trustee Fast: Thank

[1:51:33] Voice 6: you so much.

[1:51:34] Voice 6: Any further discussion on this before I call the vote?

[1:51:40] Voice 6: Not seeing any.

[1:51:41] Voice 6: Okay, I'm going to call the vote on this.

[1:51:43] Voice 6: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[1:51:45] Voice 6: thank you please lower your hand and those opposed i see one opposed this carries thank

[1:51:58] Voice 6: you very much for bringing this forward again sorry i missed that thank you and if there's

[1:52:03] Voice 6: anything that is still outstanding that i have missed um feel free to raise it trustee elliott

[1:52:14] Trustee Elliott: thank you so it took me a while to to to figure out where this this had come from and i don't

[1:52:20] Trustee Elliott: think it actually is sufficiently captured in section or sorry objective four so this would go

[1:52:29] Trustee Elliott: under four point three point four point two growth management not under but as the policy in that

[1:52:37] Trustee Elliott: area so we have 3.4.3 impacts of development consider the aesthetic environmental and social

[1:52:44] Trustee Elliott: impacts of development. But we don't have that where development for residential. Okay, so we've got these policies around encouraging clustering of small units, which many local trust areas are asking for. Because we're trying to have a conversation about density being alternatives to density as conventional single family dwellings are needed to ensure diversity of housing stock, we're

[1:53:15] Trustee Elliott: that where residential density is increased by adding additional housing units in those

[1:53:23] Trustee Elliott: clustering that we're talking about, or total floor area, that the negative impacts to land

[1:53:29] Trustee Elliott: soils, greenhouse gas emissions, and groundwater should be mitigated. And how that's mitigated

[1:53:35] Trustee Elliott: could be policies of, you know, I think the last meeting we discussed the home plate zoning

[1:53:41] Trustee Elliott: zoning um or um conservation covenants would be put on the lot so the wording if you

[1:53:53] Trustee Elliott: want to entertain emotion and i don't know if it's too much um i could just send it to you

[1:54:03] Trustee Elliott: after three four two okay so jason i'm just sending that to you and uh robert and when it's

[1:54:31] Trustee Elliott: on the screen i can make the motion thanks um

[1:54:35] Voice 6: okay i have a question uh trustee elliott with

[1:54:39] Voice 6: regards to what you were just explaining would this be appropriate to add this as um under 3411

[1:54:47] Voice 6: were you talking about the class of small dwelling units if this is what it's applicable to

[1:54:51] Voice 6: are you talking just in general um wherever there is a density increase yeah

[1:54:59] Trustee Elliott: it is related to housing

[1:55:01] Trustee Elliott: For sure. I just thought it was maybe more appropriate in managing growth and development. So as a general policy, if you're going to direct development, because we've got one that's like direct residential commercial industrial development to suitable locations to prevent sprawl and help safeguard.

[1:55:22] Trustee Elliott: guard but we don't have if you're going to increase housing in this way mitigate any impacts

[1:55:31] Trustee Elliott: through protecting so i'm i'm open to putting it in objective four in the directive policies

[1:55:40] Trustee Elliott: for housing or the managing growth or development and look to staff for advice on that yeah i was

[1:55:49] Voice 6: I was just wondering if this could be added

[1:55:51] Voice 6: to an existing policy rather than a standalone.

[1:55:59] Voice 6: So like you pointed out two areas.

[1:56:01] Voice 6: So one would be 342, which was growth management.

[1:56:06] Voice 6: So it could be added in there

[1:56:08] Voice 6: or if you want it as a standalone.

[1:56:11] Voice 6: So let's ask staff like you requested.

[1:56:14] Voice 6: What do they recommend?

[1:56:16] Voice 6: I'm not sure if staff yeomans would like to answer this

[1:56:23] Voice 6: or not sure if his mouse is back.

[1:56:28] Voice 6: Yes,

[1:56:30] Voice 16: my mouse is back. I'm afraid I don't have any particular advice regarding which section

[1:56:46] Voice 16: it might want to go in. I guess I would be interested to know, Trustee Elliott, your

[1:56:55] Voice 16: perspective on how this intersects with policy 3.4.9 in the housing section, which is identify

[1:57:03] Voice 16: suitable locations where density increases could support the development

[1:57:06] Voice 16: of safe secure diverse and affordable housing while limiting impact on

[1:57:10] Voice 16: freshwater resources and ecosystem health and whether or not that it's not

[1:57:18] Voice 16: a it's not a direct direct direction to mitigate impacts as as your motion

[1:57:25] Voice 16: proposes but does speak to the need to consider those impacts on freshwater

[1:57:31] Voice 16: water resources and ecosystem health

[1:57:33] Trustee Elliott: the the part that you said jason 3.4.9 it ends after

[1:57:39] Trustee Elliott: attainable housing in my draft it doesn't say oh

[1:57:43] Voice 16: you're right i'm working off of my paper copy is

[1:57:46] Voice 16: now old and outdated can i

[1:57:50] Trustee Fast: also note that there are two 3.4.9s so uh one of them is just above

[1:57:58] Trustee Fast: directive housing in the draft it's an advisory policy about that seems to

[1:58:06] Trustee Fast: relate so I'm on page 17 of our agenda so

[1:58:13] Voice 16: I'm gonna migrate out of this

[1:58:15] Voice 16: proposed motion and into the agenda package here for a moment so everybody

[1:58:21] Voice 16: has the benefit of that and yes we haven't renumbered the the document

[1:58:28] Voice 16: totally to reflect all of the changes that have

[1:58:33] Voice 13: been made which way do i need to go this way

[1:58:36] Trustee Fast: 17

[1:58:37] Trustee Fast: yeah and one more a little bit more there there's the two of them they both a little bit of overlap

[1:58:53] Voice 14: right

[1:59:01] Trustee Elliott: yeah i can see how they're kind of both accomplishing that so we could withdraw it

[1:59:06] Voice 16: well

[1:59:07] Voice 16: so 3.4.9 was introduced at the last meeting particularly to address the issue of um sort

[1:59:14] Voice 16: sort of outstanding subdivision potential on your islands or not necessarily subdivision potential

[1:59:19] Voice 16: but likely subdivision potential and consideration of where that might not be in the community's

[1:59:23] Voice 16: interests anymore um not specifically about um additional housing units i guess this is this is

[1:59:32] Voice 16: about where you don't want land not where you do want or where you don't want new development

[1:59:35] Voice 16: rather than where you do want new development um

[1:59:42] Voice 5: you'll see graham you've got your hand up

[1:59:44] Voice 5: Would you like to jump in?

[1:59:48] Voice 22: Thank you, Cheryl.

[1:59:49] Voice 22: I'll just jump right in.

[1:59:51] Voice 22: I'm a little concerned with the language that, as it is proposed, ensures that the negative impacts are mitigated.

[2:00:00] Voice 22: mitigated. And we're often at the local trust area when we're looking at things, we're asked

[2:00:05] Voice 22: to consider certain things and we can get past the policy checklist if we can show that we have

[2:00:13] Voice 22: addressed those concerns in some way. And then we can be successful with an affordable housing

[2:00:22] Voice 22: development, which is usually what this is addressed or aimed at. But to ensure that the

[2:00:30] Voice 22: negative impacts are mitigated may not be possible. And I would hate to have a directive policy and a

[2:00:36] Voice 22: policy statement prevent a really good affordable housing application simply because we were not

[2:00:42] Voice 22: able to find some way to mitigate those negative aspects. So if we perhaps just reworded it to say

[2:00:47] Voice 22: They consider as opposed to ensure.

[2:00:51] Voice 22: So at least the local trust committee is directed to consider how they can mitigate those negative impacts.

[2:00:58] Voice 22: And they may not be able to, but it wouldn't stop the development.

[2:01:00] Voice 22: That's just my suggestion.

[2:01:04] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:01:07] Voice 6: Okay, so back to Trustee Elliott.

[2:01:10] Voice 6: I think I heard you say that you were withdrawing because it seems that it's captured between all of these.

[2:01:19] Voice 6: How are you feeling?

[2:01:20] Voice 6: What's your position?

[2:01:22] Trustee Elliott: Well, thank you. So I do think there's still something missing, but, and I agree with you, Trustee Graham, that it's too strong to say ensuring the negative impacts. Like sometimes it just is going to be in that balancing of considerations, you're going to have some negative impacts.

[2:01:44] Trustee Elliott: So that would be too restrictive. But in areas where residential density has increased through additional housing units or total floor area, local trust committees should consider policies to address impacts to land soils and greenhouse gas emissions.

[2:02:05] Trustee Elliott: So I don't think that's really captured what, Jason, you had said in the growth management one, attainable housing.

[2:02:20] Trustee Elliott: No, where was that?

[2:02:20] Trustee Elliott: Attainable housing, 3.4.9.

[2:02:23] Trustee Elliott: Attainable housing, you said something.

[2:02:29] Voice 16: Sorry, I was working off a copy that didn't reflect

[2:02:33] Voice 16: the changes from the latest meeting.

[2:02:35] Voice 16: Well,

[2:02:35] Trustee Elliott: what was that? Because it was about ensuring the ecosystems were protected while ensuring that there was no impacts on ecosystems. Could you just read that last part again?

[2:02:49] Voice 16: Yeah, although I'm now, I guess my paper copy here is from February 6th that I grabbed off the side of my desk, and so I'm not sure at which stage this was further amended.

[2:03:03] Voice 16: But it says, in this paper copy, it says, identify suitable locations where density increases could support the development of safe, secure, diverse, and affordable housing while limiting impacts on freshwater resources and ecosystem health.

[2:03:16] Voice 16: Yeah,

[2:03:23] Trustee Elliott: that kind of gets at what I was going at. It's the balancing, right? So I kind of, I like the wording as it is now. We, suitable locations, attainable housing, and then having limits, limiting impacts on ecosystems and groundwater.

[2:03:46] Trustee Elliott: water yeah i would add that back in personally but let's think about it for a minute trustee

[2:03:54] Trustee Elliott: patrick looks like she's got some thoughts thank

[2:03:58] Voice 6: you all right we'll come back to you if you've got

[2:04:00] Voice 6: more comments trustee patrick yeah

[2:04:04] Trustee Patrick: the only thoughts i'm i am having thoughts i'm just

[2:04:07] Trustee Patrick: looking and making sure we get the balance correctly are are we only creating policies

[2:04:14] Trustee Patrick: policies that talk about new housing, new density, new this, when we have existing potential

[2:04:23] Trustee Patrick: subdivision potentials and so forth that could be building homes for anybody, should no home

[2:04:29] Trustee Patrick: be creating environmental impact. So I just want to make sure when we add these things that we're

[2:04:34] Trustee Patrick: not just saying that only new housing, working on affordable housing or attainable housing,

[2:04:42] Trustee Patrick: They have to, you know, protect the environment when we can create brand new subdivisions with what?

[2:04:52] Trustee Patrick: You know, so I think we want to make sure that any housing is managing or considering environmental impacts and reducing them.

[2:05:05] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:05:07] Voice 6: I haven't seen the wording that Steph Yeomans is talking about in my version.

[2:05:14] Voice 6: so i'm not sure about the impact that it'll have in its entirety so i would like to sit with that

[2:05:21] Voice 6: myself if that's going to be something that's going to be proposed um and understand how that

[2:05:25] Voice 6: will um impact just because i i can't i can't see it to understand it um yeah and so maybe what i

[2:05:37] Voice 6: would ask if if this is something that is still in the works and this is not a motion that you're

[2:05:42] Voice 6: ready to make yet today and you want to give it a bit more thought give it a bit more thought and

[2:05:46] Voice 6: come back with it at the next meeting um we do have a meeting in another week um so maybe this

[2:05:51] Voice 6: will give you some time to think about it and put it together trustee fast uh

[2:05:58] Trustee Fast: thank you chair i was

[2:05:59] Trustee Fast: just going to say in in the second 3.4.9 there it seems to me that the point is increased

[2:06:08] Trustee Fast: Increased densification, as in the title, and in the words, could support increased density? Not. So I think this proposed policy is about where could, how could increased density be balanced?

[2:06:26] Trustee Fast: um and uh not to take away from trustee patrick's point uh which would be about existing density

[2:06:34] Trustee Fast: and uh maybe not built yet um but perhaps there would need to be a separate one

[2:06:40] Trustee Fast: uh for that uh which i also think is it's really worth thinking about thank you thank

[2:06:49] Voice 5: you so it

[2:06:51] Voice 6: sounds to me like we need a little bit more thought in this area um so maybe over the next

[2:06:56] Voice 6: next few days trustees can give it a bit more thought and if you've got suggestions or changes

[2:07:01] Voice 6: that you would like to bring forward to the next meeting that you get them into staff

[2:07:04] Voice 6: and then we can bring them forward and hold a better informed discussion on this

[2:07:09] Voice 6: does that sound good okay so i think that we have now managed to get through all of the previously

[2:07:21] Voice 6: requested items and we should head into part four now which is implementation

[2:07:26] Voice 6: and give this some thought and i know that trustee patrick had requested some staff

[2:07:35] Voice 6: work to be done she would um passed a motion at our last meeting regarding some work in this area

[2:07:44] Voice 6: and i'm not sure if staff have had an opportunity to to get anything together i know it's been a

[2:07:51] Voice 6: a very short time period. But maybe we can look at what you have managed to find out so far to

[2:07:58] Voice 6: address Trustee Patrick's motion from our previous meeting.

[2:08:02] Voice 16: Sure, yes, we have done a fair amount of

[2:08:05] Voice 16: thinking on this and compiled a sort of a policy analysis and some potential revisions to the

[2:08:12] Voice 16: policy statement bylaw that we will likely bring to you at your next meeting on May the 7th. It's

[2:08:18] Voice 16: just sort of working its way through the approvals process right now. Like we want to make sure that

[2:08:22] Voice 16: we get implementation correct in this document and so that just means leadership meetings to

[2:08:29] Voice 16: make sure everybody's on board with a proposed direction.

[2:08:35] Voice 6: Thank you so you're not ready to go

[2:08:39] Voice 6: through those suggestions yet maybe at the next meeting is that what you're saying or? Yeah that's

[2:08:45] Voice 16: right now that I don't think that should preclude this body from maybe talking about implementation

[2:08:49] Voice 16: implementation generally and your sort of perspectives on it, you just won't have a

[2:08:55] Voice 16: staff produced document to reference in the conversation.

[2:08:59] Voice 6: Okay. Chelsea, Patrick, I know

[2:09:03] Voice 6: that you had some previous comments. Did you have any additional comments that you'd like to make

[2:09:08] Voice 6: at this time?

[2:09:09] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think before I encouraged people to maybe take a look at the CRD's regional

[2:09:14] Trustee Patrick: Regional growth strategy is a good example to look at their implementation section.

[2:09:21] Trustee Patrick: There's many regional growth strategies in the province that you could look at, but I think that gives you some ideas of, because this is, well, we don't call it a regional growth strategy.

[2:09:32] Trustee Patrick: It's a cousin of a regional growth strategy.

[2:09:36] Trustee Patrick: And so I think there's a lot to be learned there.

[2:09:39] Trustee Patrick: So I think just go read those and see how they're structured.

[2:09:48] Voice 6: Throw my hand up in the section. So one of the things that I've been doing is I've been reviewing the current draft policy as well. And in the current draft policy, we've got the purpose, which I quite liked. And I'm just going to try and see if I can find that.

[2:10:17] Voice 6: that i've got too many notes in here i've messed up all of my notes so that's not helpful um

[2:10:25] Voice 6: we also had in there like the roles and responsibilities that brought in like the

[2:10:34] Voice 6: roles and responsibilities of trust council the conservancy the minister first nations

[2:10:39] Voice 6: and the public and how we all play a role in um sort of implementing the policy statement

[2:10:48] Voice 6: that's all been stripped out of here and i'm wondering how people feel um about that and

[2:10:54] Voice 6: whether or not that that still has a place in here or not um so i thought i'd just raise that

[2:11:00] Voice 6: as a conversation piece and see how people feel about that let's

[2:11:13] Voice 5: see elliot yeah

[2:11:14] Trustee Elliott: so could you say

[2:11:16] Trustee Elliott: um what are we referring to what was here before in regards to our role or are we talking about

[2:11:24] Trustee Elliott: adding something

[2:11:24] Voice 6: new no it's what currently exists in the island trust policy statement i'm just uh

[2:11:35] Voice 6: going back in here so in the current islands trust policy we've got the role of the islands

[2:11:46] Voice 6: trust council the role of the executive committee etc the role of island municipalities role of the

[2:11:53] Voice 6: conservancy the role of uh government and non-government organizations first nations

[2:11:58] Voice 6: and the piece that i'm more interested in is the role of property owners residents and visitors

[2:12:04] Voice 6: like it's how each of these individual bodies and the public have a responsibility to um

[2:12:14] Voice 6: to implement the policy statement. That has been removed in its entirety,

[2:12:24] Voice 6: with the exception of the statutory bylaw approval process. So I'm wondering, should we have

[2:12:35] Voice 6: something in here, not as long, that shows how each of these individual bodies hold a

[2:12:45] Voice 6: responsibility for the implementation of this because once it's removed it's gone if we take

[2:12:54] Voice 6: it out of the of the trust policy statement as we're recommending then we don't have anything

[2:13:03] Voice 6: to refer back to to say to property owners or to other government organizations this is your role

[2:13:10] Voice 6: with regards to implementation of our policy statement trustee elliot i

[2:13:20] Trustee Elliott: i don't know if the

[2:13:23] Trustee Elliott: the public has a role or if i'm understanding something because i i agree we need to articulate

[2:13:31] Trustee Elliott: whose job is what and a graphic would actually be wonderful here um you know trust council

[2:13:38] Trustee Elliott: endorses a policy statement the bylaw ocps that flow from that and the bylaws that flow from that

[2:13:44] Trustee Elliott: that. The public's role is they abide by the bylaws and contribute to the OCP process.

[2:13:54] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the public's role in the policy statement other than

[2:14:01] Trustee Elliott: through this process of amending it. And could you,

[2:14:05] Trustee Elliott: is there any document that you're referring

[2:14:06] Trustee Elliott: to that, because I'm lost about what was taken out?

[2:14:10] Voice 6: Yes, I'm actually referring to the current

[2:14:12] Voice 6: policy statement. So on page four of the current policy statement, not the draft one, the current

[2:14:21] Voice 6: one, it says the role of property owners, residents and visitors. The assistance and

[2:14:27] Voice 6: cooperation of property owners, residents and visitors is vital to the preservation and

[2:14:31] Voice 6: protection of the environment and amenities of the trust area and the implementation of the

[2:14:36] Voice 6: policy statements. Individuals have the opportunity to participate in local planning and to work with

[2:14:42] Voice 6: other members of the community and trustees to develop official community plans and bylaws that

[2:14:48] Voice 6: address the local needs and support the object of the island's trust that's our current policy

[2:14:55] Voice 6: what i'm saying is if we remove it we have nothing to refer back to when we're saying to

[2:15:04] Voice 6: to the public, and to visitors, and to residents,

[2:15:09] Voice 6: this is your role when it comes to the policy statement.

[2:15:14] Voice 6: If it's removed in its entirety,

[2:15:19] Voice 6: we're the only ones acknowledging that we have a role and responsibility to this.

[2:15:24] Voice 6: I'm recommending that this is actually something that is good.

[2:15:32] Voice 6: So I'll hear from other people.

[2:15:35] Voice 6: trustee fast you're muted thank

[2:15:43] Trustee Fast: you i too am having most problems i'm um i'm looking at it

[2:15:47] Trustee Fast: as well and um it seems to me uh that this is more of a communications function or an operational

[2:15:55] Trustee Fast: function uh not a uh the policy function i think what back at the beginning part of what we were

[2:16:03] Trustee Fast: trying to do was to condense the policy down to just the essentials so that it was easier for

[2:16:10] Trustee Fast: everybody to see what was policy and what was other text. And just like website text, it doesn't

[2:16:23] Trustee Fast: all have to be in a policy. It's just website text or words that we say before a meeting or

[2:16:33] Trustee Fast: or any of that kind of thing.

[2:16:34] Trustee Fast: I think we have a communications policy now

[2:16:37] Trustee Fast: and we have other ways than back in 1994

[2:16:43] Trustee Fast: or whenever this first policy statement was completed.

[2:16:51] Trustee Fast: There were no other ways to communicate these things.

[2:16:54] Trustee Fast: Now we have all kinds of ways.

[2:16:56] Trustee Fast: Yes, November 1996.

[2:16:57] Trustee Fast: 96. And so I'm okay with it not being here, just like in a bylaw, you don't have a whole bunch of

[2:17:09] Trustee Fast: introductory text, you just have the bylaw. And then you can refer to the staff report,

[2:17:14] Trustee Fast: or whatever other text might exist. So I support the idea of the trust policy statement being

[2:17:25] Trustee Fast: shorter and easier for everybody to understand what exactly it is without a whole bunch of other

[2:17:35] Trustee Fast: verbiage. Thank you.

[2:17:37] Voice 6: Thank you. And can I just ask that we scroll down to the role of the property

[2:17:41] Voice 6: owners, residents and visitors, because that's the piece that I'm more talking about. Thank you.

[2:17:44] Voice 6: I

[2:17:45] Trustee Fast: had one more thing. And that is just that the role of property owners, residents and visitors,

[2:17:50] Trustee Fast: It also doesn't include, this text doesn't include the possibility of donating through the Islands Trust Conservancy or protecting their own land.

[2:18:02] Trustee Fast: This is all just planning related.

[2:18:04] Trustee Fast: And so it's not accurate either, I don't think.

[2:18:07] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:18:07] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:18:08] Trustee Fast: Trustee Patrick?

[2:18:12] Trustee Patrick: The new document is structured very differently.

[2:18:15] Trustee Patrick: And I think the part four implementation, as it's presented here, is really about, it's directed to us. How does the Islands Trust and all of its associated bodies that have direct legislative authority implement this plan?

[2:18:35] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's the fundamental difference where the old policy that we looked at sort of opened with this. Here's how everybody takes a look at this, this, this, this thing. So I do hear what you're saying. And it's something to kind of give a thought to the way it's structured.

[2:18:54] Trustee Patrick: structured, you know, this section here now, part four is really, like I said, internal to us.

[2:19:02] Trustee Patrick: Are we missing something that communicates outward? Or how do we do that? How do we

[2:19:08] Trustee Patrick: communicate to everybody else that could look at the trust policy statement? Does this implement,

[2:19:12] Trustee Patrick: or does this matter, or have any binding on anybody else? It may not, but, you know,

[2:19:22] Trustee Patrick: but we should we should talk about it but i wouldn't try to put those things in implementation

[2:19:29] Trustee Patrick: the way it's designed now thank

[2:19:33] Voice 6: you so much um any other items that we would like to discuss

[2:19:39] Voice 6: in this section understanding that we're still waiting for staff to come back with

[2:19:43] Voice 6: some additional information as requested um trustee patrick did you have uh some more comments

[2:19:49] Voice 6: okay uh trustee peterson thank

[2:19:55] Voice 19: you chair um just as i'm looking at the very beginning of the

[2:20:02] Voice 19: implementation implementation section there i kind of would like it better if the organizational

[2:20:11] Voice 19: policy alignment piece um came before the statutory bylaw approval process and and i'm

[2:20:21] Voice 19: at this um trying to look at this anyway with the view of someone who's not you know seeped in this

[2:20:31] Voice 19: process over the last few years and and and reading it and i think that the um the organizational

[2:20:38] Voice 19: policy alignment piece is is is a better start than the statutory bylaw approval process for

[2:20:48] Voice 19: or someone who's sort of approaching this with new eyes.

[2:20:52] Voice 19: That's my thought, and certainly happy to hear other people's thoughts.

[2:20:59] Voice 19: But I would switch them.

[2:21:01] Voice 19: I would put the organizational policy element piece first.

[2:21:06] Voice 19: Thank you.

[2:21:12] Voice 6: Would you – does anybody have any comments on that?

[2:21:16] Voice 6: How do people feel about that?

[2:21:21] Voice 6: Trustee Yates?

[2:21:23] Voice 6: I agree with Trustee Peterson.

[2:21:25] Voice 5: Thank

[2:21:26] Voice 6: you. Trussie Peterson, did you want to maybe make a motion to that effect and then we can have a little more discussion on it?

[2:21:38] Voice 19: Sure, I'm happy to make a motion to that effect.

[2:21:41] Voice 19: But I'm also always wondering around our staff who've done the work to get us to this point.

[2:21:53] Voice 19: if there is a you know if they had a rationale for ordering it the way they did that I'm maybe

[2:22:01] Voice 19: just missing. So I mean just because that's my preference to have it flip the other way

[2:22:09] Voice 19: doesn't mean that I'm not potentially missing something that they've already thought about

[2:22:13] Voice 19: and if there is something there I'd love to hear it.

[2:22:17] Voice 6: Thank you. Steph Yeomans did you want to

[2:22:19] Voice 6: perhaps answer the question?

[2:22:22] Voice 16: I think Trustee Peterson had read my mind because that was one

[2:22:27] Voice 16: of the revisions I was going to propose to this body in my suite, yet to be fully approved by

[2:22:33] Voice 16: leadership though. So I'm not sure what will happen at the end of the day. I'm not sure

[2:22:37] Voice 16: whether director, you know, I share this perspective that you start broad and narrow

[2:22:42] Voice 16: down and the organizational alignment is sort of the overarching umbrella for how this document

[2:22:48] Voice 16: works and then we and then we narrow it down to the to the statutory or legislative approvals

[2:22:52] Voice 16: process um but i will defer to uh director freighter if indeed there is a longer history

[2:22:58] Voice 16: than than the one that i have been involved in in how this section was structured heretofore

[2:23:03] Voice 6: thank you uh staff rater would you like to chime in i'm

[2:23:08] Voice 8: afraid i'm no longer that encyclopedic

[2:23:10] Voice 8: but certainly we'll take a look at it and bring it back at the next meeting

[2:23:15] Voice 6: okay so um i was just going to ask staff rita would do you have any opposition to a motion

[2:23:24] Voice 6: being made to move the organizational policy alignment before the statutory bylaw approval

[2:23:31] Voice 6: process uh

[2:23:34] Voice 8: i'll look to staff humans but i think it might be best if you wait till you get the

[2:23:37] Voice 8: staff advice and then deal with all the changes as a whole at the next meeting when we bring you

[2:23:41] Voice 8: back that advice you can consider them in the context of the other changes we might be recommending

[2:23:45] Voice 8: Sounds

[2:23:46] Voice 6: great. Thank you so much. Any other discussion on the implementation section? So we have the policy statement implementation, policy statement amendments, which include the amendment projects, communications, legislative process. Any other comments there?

[2:24:10] Voice 6: are we okay i'm not seeing any um so let's move on to

[2:24:17] Voice 20: trustee yates thank you chair evans at some

[2:24:22] Voice 20: point but i'm not sure exactly when i would like to see a change in language from what we call the

[2:24:30] Voice 20: directives only checklist to simply the directives checklist

[2:24:36] Voice 15: i'm

[2:24:40] Voice 6: not sure where that would uh

[2:24:41] Voice 6: come into play either um doesn't trustee patrick you you it

[2:24:49] Trustee Patrick: was part of the motion that we put

[2:24:51] Trustee Patrick: forth for staff to consider in the implementation plan so it's coming back yeah

[2:24:56] Voice 6: all right um let's

[2:25:01] Voice 6: move on to the glossary of terms do we have any comments additional comments on the glossary of

[2:25:09] Voice 6: terms I had something somewhere but I can't find it all right I'm not seeing anybody else having

[2:25:36] Voice 6: any comments on this section so what I'm thinking right now so we've gone through oh I'm in the

[2:25:51] Voice 6: wrong one that's why this makes more sense um I'm just wondering then if we should go through

[2:26:01] Voice 6: uh part one because i don't think we really had a discussion on that outside of the uh legal

[2:26:15] Voice 6: opinion

[2:26:20] Trustee Fast: part one of the draft which page part

[2:26:24] Voice 6: one yeah the islands trust act section we'll just have

[2:26:37] Voice 6: because we we had said we'd go through this this whole whole document a second time so we've gone

[2:26:43] Voice 6: through it kind of once we'll just go through it a second time and we can go through any other

[2:26:52] Voice 6: changes or um reading it as as a whole document again and and looking for any duplications

[2:27:00] Voice 6: anything that's missed um so i had so i should put my own hand up here i had a question

[2:27:13] Voice 6: question regarding uh 1.1 where we've we've got the um the island trust object in the existing

[2:27:23] Voice 6: um trust policy statement let me see what page that was on uh that was on page five

[2:27:36] Voice 6: um it was broken out a little bit more which was sort of in line with the discussions that

[2:27:47] Voice 6: we'd had at trust council in the september meeting i think what was that 23 or i can't

[2:27:55] Voice 6: remember what year it was um and i and i'm going to ask because i wasn't involved and i know some

[2:28:07] Voice 6: of the people that are in this meeting have been involved from the very beginning when when the

[2:28:12] Voice 6: draft policy statement was being pulled together um in the current maybe we can bring up the current

[2:28:20] Voice 6: current draft policy statement, page five, where we're talking about part two, the Islands Trust

[2:28:29] Voice 6: Object and Guiding Principles.

[2:28:33] Voice 16: Sure, just bear with me. You mean the current policy statement,

[2:28:37] Voice 16: the one that is in force today? Correct. And

[2:28:45] Voice 6: I'm only bringing this up because we do have a lot

[2:28:49] Voice 6: of conversation um currently with the public and uh feelings on interpretation of the mandate

[2:29:00] Voice 6: so this is page five so you're in page one keep going no the other way no

[2:29:10] Voice 16: no i think

[2:29:12] Voice 16: oh no

[2:29:15] Voice 6: you're going the wrong way all

[2:29:16] Voice 16: right i thought you said page five no

[2:29:17] Voice 16: yeah

[2:29:18] Voice 6: page five you're you're in oh

[2:29:20] Voice 16: i see sorry i'm looking at

[2:29:21] Voice 16: the not the

[2:29:23] Voice 16: page numbers of the

[2:29:24] Voice 16: document yeah

[2:29:25] Voice 6: page five you have to scroll up a little bit further so this is the current

[2:29:31] Voice 6: interpretation of the meaning that is currently in place and just given um how the public have

[2:29:42] Voice 6: have responded to the interpretation

[2:29:45] Voice 6: that we were discussing.

[2:29:47] Voice 6: I think it's good to keep the existing interpretation

[2:29:54] Voice 6: in the policy statement because it's just

[2:30:00] Voice 6: giving a little broader context as to how it's applied and i'm raising this for discussion this

[2:30:11] Voice 6: is um i i think this will keep the community a little softer uh when we're when we're talking

[2:30:24] Voice 6: about it because if it's completely removed and and we don't have this then um we wind up with a

[2:30:29] Voice 6: a lot of unsettled minds as to how it's being interpreted.

[2:30:38] Voice 6: Trustee Peterson.

[2:30:41] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair, and I tend to agree.

[2:30:43] Voice 19: I think this is actually a useful section of writing here,

[2:30:48] Voice 19: particularly for the public.

[2:30:50] Voice 19: But I would note that the last piece that we see on our screen right now,

[2:30:55] Voice 19: of course, has been changed to include First Nations

[2:31:00] Voice 19: and that the text that follows would probably need to be edited somewhat

[2:31:08] Voice 19: to reflect that change.

[2:31:11] Voice 19: But other than that, I tend to agree.

[2:31:14] Voice 19: I think this is actually a useful sort of breakdown as it goes through

[2:31:17] Voice 19: and helps explain what it is that we mean.

[2:31:22] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[2:31:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[2:31:25] Trustee Fast: I was going to say the same as Trustee Peterson.

[2:31:30] Trustee Fast: First Nations was added through Royal Ascent of Bill 26 and the regulations February 2022.

[2:31:41] Trustee Fast: So that's an update that needs to be made, both to the text of the object just above and in these descriptive paragraphs.

[2:31:53] Trustee Fast: Otherwise, I like the idea of leaving them in here.

[2:31:57] Trustee Fast: It expresses the continuity and the fact that the object of the act continues, and that may help everybody respond with more understanding when they see all of the various passionate writings and expressions.

[2:32:26] Trustee Fast: expressions that they may see, it might be helpful for them to be able to look at the

[2:32:32] Trustee Fast: former one and look at the new one and see the same kind of text just with the addition of First

[2:32:39] Trustee Fast: Nations. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:32:49] Voice 6: Back in with the changes. So if anybody else is also in agreeance,

[2:32:57] Voice 6: If somebody would like to make a motion to that effect, that would be lovely.

[2:33:16] Voice 6: I'm not sure that if I can.

[2:33:18] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:33:18] Voice 6: Jessie Fast.

[2:33:22] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:33:23] Trustee Fast: I'm going to try and draft something up.

[2:33:25] Trustee Fast: So hoping Robert is ready here.

[2:33:28] Trustee Fast: I move that Trust Programs Committee direct staff to include the text from, I don't have the same page numbers as you do,

[2:33:59] Trustee Fast: But from the current trust policy statement, the islands trust object and its meaning through to the next heading, guiding principles, amended to include First Nations.

[2:34:43] Trustee Fast: And after the words include the text from the current policy statement, no, that's fine.

[2:34:55] Trustee Fast: well let's help me folks what else thank you um

[2:35:02] Voice 8: staff rita um if you could ask us for staff

[2:35:07] Voice 8: advice on this rather than directing the specifics of the wording i want to look back because we had

[2:35:12] Voice 8: an entirely different version drafted in 2023 and i want to sleuth back what what what was directed

[2:35:18] Voice 8: with that draft what were the comments of nations on that draft amended language so i'd want to do

[2:35:23] Voice 8: little bit more work to advise you if possible um if you're looking to sort of put that content in

[2:35:29] Voice 8: um because i can't remember off the top of my head how we got to the place of having none aside from

[2:35:34] Voice 8: the direction from council to make it as short as possible you don't make it as concise as possible

[2:35:39] Voice 8: um so if you that would be my recommendation is ask staff for some advice and i can work on that

[2:35:43] Voice 8: and come back yeah thanks

[2:35:46] Trustee Fast: then chair if i may um request staff uh in um for advice about including

[2:36:01] Trustee Fast: to provide advice about including yeah me thank you um let

[2:36:20] Voice 6: me throw my hand up i would um also

[2:36:26] Voice 6: also put in there somewhere that in section 1.1, so advice about including the text from the current

[2:36:38] Voice 6: policy statement in section 1.1 of the draft policy statement. No, no, sorry. So I move that

[2:36:56] Voice 6: Trust Programs Committee request staff to provide advice about including the text from the current

[2:36:59] Voice 6: policy statement in that section amended to include First Nations, comma, in section 1.1 of

[2:37:06] Voice 6: the oh so at the

[2:37:10] Trustee Fast: end robert yeah comma after first nations and

[2:37:17] Voice 6: then continue chair uh in section 1.1

[2:37:21] Voice 6: of the current draft policy statement could

[2:37:33] Trustee Fast: it just say the the draft policy statement take out

[2:37:37] Trustee Fast: that second word current yeah

[2:37:40] Voice 6: and then also after because i'm reading up above so the text from the

[2:37:47] Voice 6: the current policy statement remove in section 1.1 so

[2:37:58] Voice 5: we know where it's going okay so i move that

[2:38:08] Voice 5: okay thank you

[2:38:10] Voice 6: any other uh comments or wording on the draft motion here if not i'll ask for a

[2:38:23] Voice 6: seconder trustee peterson thank you any other comments or discussion on the motion i'm not

[2:38:41] Voice 6: seeing any I'm going to call the vote on this and this is to to ask staff to provide advice

[2:38:47] Voice 6: about including it not to actually include it at this point all those in favor raise your hand

[2:38:55] Voice 6: thank you lower your hand any opposed not seeing any that's carried okay um does anyone have any

[2:39:24] Voice 6: Any other comments after rereading the current draft policy?

[2:39:30] Voice 6: Are we happy with the changes that were made or recommended in Section 1?

[2:39:36] Voice 6: There really wasn't any.

[2:39:39] Voice 6: Are we all happy with Section 1 of the current draft policy?

[2:39:46] Voice 6: This is surrounding the guiding principles.

[2:40:09] Voice 6: principles. I had one thing, I'm going to throw my hand up. And I'm going to encourage people

[2:40:28] Voice 6: again. So when we come to the next meeting, again, anything that you've come across after you've read

[2:40:34] Voice 6: through the draft policy for a second time, if you can do a comparison to the current existing

[2:40:42] Voice 6: existing policy and see if we've missed anything, do bring it forward. I have maybe a question for

[2:40:54] Voice 6: staff on, I think it's part three of the existing note six. We had a principle of sustainability.

[2:41:06] Voice 6: sustainability, this has now been put into the glossary of terms rather than being kept as a

[2:41:16] Voice 6: principle. And I'm just wondering, should this or would this actually make a good principle to have

[2:41:23] Voice 6: in our guiding principles? So in the existing policy statement, it's the principle of

[2:41:34] Voice 6: sustainability capable of being maintained indefinitely capable of meeting the environmental

[2:41:41] Voice 6: economic and social needs of current generations without compromising the ability of future

[2:41:48] Voice 6: generations to meet their needs are we happy keeping that in the glossary of terms

[2:41:56] Voice 6: is this a principle that we wish to maintain as a principle i'm just throwing it out there as a

[2:42:03] Voice 6: a question. I'm happy either way.

[2:42:07] Voice 20: Trustee Yates? Thank you, Chair Evans. I would certainly like

[2:42:12] Voice 20: to keep it as a principle. Okay.

[2:42:19] Voice 6: How do other people feel about that? Trustee Peterson? I agree.

[2:42:29] Voice 5: I agree.

[2:42:36] Voice 6: Do we want to turn this into a motion and then we can have a discussion on it and see

[2:42:44] Voice 6: seabird lands trustee peterson yeah you

[2:42:56] Voice 19: know it's been it's been quite a process and i'm i'm guessing

[2:43:00] Voice 19: that there was probably um some discussion around where it's been moved to and i just but i don't

[2:43:10] Voice 19: remember the train

[2:43:12] Voice 19: of that um and and i'm not sure um who's best equipped to kind of remind us

[2:43:21] Voice 19: of that. But if there is someone, I would assume it would probably be

[2:43:25] Voice 19: Minister Yeomans, but perhaps it's someone else.

[2:43:28] Voice 19: But I think that would help inform our discussion if we have

[2:43:33] Voice 19: that. So I'm not sure that we want

[2:43:37] Voice 19: to delve into it today without

[2:43:41] Voice 19: that sort of background. If someone has it, great. And if

[2:43:45] Voice 19: not, then maybe we should look for it first.

[2:43:50] Trustee Fast: Sounds good. Trustee Fast?

[2:43:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. I'm looking at 2.1.4, which seems to include sustainable, inclusive and

[2:44:05] Trustee Fast: resilient communities. And the word sustainable is there, inclusive, resilient communities,

[2:44:13] Trustee Fast: interdependencies between healthy communities and healthy ecosystem. And then sustainability

[2:44:17] Trustee Fast: is defined so i don't uh i don't see the point and i'm of of making changes it seems to me that

[2:44:27] Trustee Fast: we're um making recommendations on behalf of uh you know as the sort of work our horse is doing

[2:44:37] Trustee Fast: the work for trust council this will come back i think we were looking for gaps uh or uh

[2:44:44] Trustee Fast: we've been combing through it but i don't want to make changes that are just sort of moving

[2:44:48] Trustee Fast: text around or that are adding old text back in when so much work has been done over so many years

[2:44:56] Trustee Fast: already with so much input. I don't think maybe others are really prepared for this kind of level

[2:45:05] Trustee Fast: of discussion about these sections. I don't feel prepared and I don't want to make motions just for

[2:45:10] Trustee Fast: the sake of padding out the meeting, which is starting to be what I feel like because I'm not

[2:45:17] Trustee Fast: as prepared as I like to be to make thoughtful input. Thank you.

[2:45:24] Voice 6: Sounds good. Thank you very much. I'm raising these as elements that I've been doing the work

[2:45:30] Voice 6: on. And I'm just making the assumption that other people have been doing the same thing.

[2:45:34] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick? Although if we have some

[2:45:37] Trustee Patrick: thoughts that we may need staff analysis on,

[2:45:40] Trustee Patrick: on that those I think are appropriate to raise as as this early and I have a question regarding that

[2:45:47] Trustee Patrick: for 216 talks about cumulative effects and it only talks about environmental cumulative effects

[2:45:57] Trustee Patrick: should we not consider including social cumulative effects in there as well and I think of sort of

[2:46:05] Trustee Patrick: the gentrification and some of the effects that have happened in on these islands that we should

[2:46:09] Trustee Patrick: have been paying attention to and considering what those cumulative effects were um so i guess

[2:46:16] Trustee Patrick: my question would be could staff look at expanding cumulative effects to also include social

[2:46:26] Voice 6: point and this is why this is why we're going through this a second time um

[2:46:32] Voice 6: so again i'm going to really encourage everybody on their own to read through this document as a

[2:46:40] Voice 6: whole, compare it to the one that we've got existing, making sure that we haven't missed

[2:46:45] Voice 6: anything or accidentally excluded something that we used to have, that is still important.

[2:46:53] Voice 6: And like Trustee Patrick said, we're going through this and making sure that we have

[2:46:57] Voice 6: taken as much into account as possible.

[2:47:00] Voice 6: We know that this doesn't need to be perfect, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do

[2:47:05] Voice 6: a due diligence while we have the time now.

[2:47:07] Voice 6: So, Chelsea Patrick, you said that you would like staff to come back with some information on the cumulative effects element. Did you want to work with staff directly on that and come back?

[2:47:26] Voice 6: Well, I can't make

[2:47:27] Trustee Patrick: motions. So that's why I'm introducing that. But I'm always happy to talk with staff.

[2:47:37] Trustee Patrick: staff sounds

[2:47:38] Voice 6: good unless somebody else understood that uh better and would like to make a motion to

[2:47:44] Voice 6: ask staff to look into something and bring it back okay not

[2:47:51] Voice 5: seeing anything okay

[2:47:53] Voice 6: so we've added

[2:47:59] Voice 6: the municipal moving on then trustee fast just um to respond

[2:48:05] Trustee Fast: because i haven't thought about

[2:48:10] Trustee Fast: I mean, we could include gentrification in the definitions

[2:48:14] Trustee Fast: and refer to it, but right now I'm satisfied with the wording

[2:48:20] Trustee Fast: in 2.1.4, Foster Sustainable, Inclusive and Resilient Communities.

[2:48:26] Trustee Fast: It does include the word inclusive, and I don't know.

[2:48:34] Trustee Fast: know. I don't think gentrification is included currently in the draft. I'll have a look. But

[2:48:46] Trustee Fast: I'm not saying that's bad to include it. I think it might be really useful to include it. I'm just

[2:48:52] Trustee Fast: trying to think of where. I'm not sure it needs to be in the guiding principles and priorities

[2:48:58] Trustee Fast: priorities of the islands trust uh you know under the islands trust act um but perhaps uh there

[2:49:07] Trustee Fast: needs to be a policy about it interested in what others have to say thank you thank you trustee

[2:49:13] Voice 20: yates thank you for that little conversation um i don't think it needs to be included i don't

[2:49:21] Voice 20: think we should be getting into all sorts of detailed social um explanations that i don't

[2:49:27] Voice 20: know how long they are going to be relevant the one thing that is really relevant is are the

[2:49:35] Voice 20: environmental policies i mean that's really that should be paramount i totally agree that 2.1.4

[2:49:43] Voice 20: is excellent and we definitely don't want to lose track of that and i think you know if you get into

[2:49:50] Voice 20: detailed words like gentrification that would be assumed to be included in you know sustainable

[2:49:56] Voice 20: Sustainable, inclusive and resilient communities. I think, you know, if I think of gentrification, I think of, yeah, well, that's not so good for inclusive and resilient communities. So, you know, I think of that as in 2.1.4.

[2:50:16] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:50:17] Voice 6: Trustee Patrick?

[2:50:18] Voice 6: I

[2:50:19] Trustee Patrick: was using specifically the word social, not gentrification. I just gave that as an example of what a social impact could be. Cumulative effects on environment and social is common science. It's part of many frameworks, and that's why I just brought up the word social.

[2:50:40] Trustee Patrick: I think it's something that we should consider.

[2:50:44] Trustee Patrick: It's absolutely we must consider cumulative impacts on the environment.

[2:50:48] Trustee Patrick: But we also have cumulative impacts on people.

[2:50:52] Trustee Patrick: And I don't think we should forget that in our responsibilities as a planning organization to care about the people who live here too.

[2:51:03] Voice 6: Thank you for the clarification.

[2:51:05] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast.

[2:51:06] Trustee Fast: I'm just looking at 2.1.6. Cumulative effects has specific meaning to the province, much like sensitive ecosystem definitions. And I would be hesitant to make changes by adding the word social in there at this point.

[2:51:33] Trustee Fast: I'm happy with 2.1.4. And let's see what happens after first reading and what kind of input we get, because I don't want I'd sooner focus on getting it out to first reading for further input and then bring in changes to what is already a provincially accepted term cumulative effects.

[2:52:06] Trustee Fast: and it's in use by the House Found Biosphere

[2:52:09] Trustee Fast: and this kind of thing has very specific meaning.

[2:52:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:52:13] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:52:14] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson.

[2:52:17] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[2:52:18] Voice 19: I believe I heard earlier a notion

[2:52:21] Voice 19: that Trustee Patrick might work with staff on this.

[2:52:23] Voice 19: And I think rather than spending more time

[2:52:30] Voice 19: trying to figure out what it is we're talking about,

[2:52:33] Voice 19: that maybe the better approach is to wait

[2:52:36] Voice 19: until we've got that um something a little more specific to look at um from trustees pat patrick

[2:52:43] Voice 6: sounds good thank you very much okay so in where is it um yes we added in a cooperation principle

[2:52:56] Voice 6: thank you trustee fast in the next section um so how is everyone feeling about the cooperation

[2:53:03] Voice 6: principles like we're good there trustee peterson yes

[2:53:12] Voice 19: i'm reading this document um sort of going

[2:53:16] Voice 19: through this through it sequentially i'm wondering if there's any reason that we couldn't um swap the

[2:53:24] Voice 19: numbering the placement of the uh 2.2 and 2.3 to put um reconciliation principles as 2.2 and

[2:53:35] Voice 19: cooperation principles as 2.3 and i would look to staff um to see if there's um some organizational

[2:53:44] Voice 19: um way that this was put together that was sort of counter to that notion um

[2:53:52] Voice 6: maybe we'll ask uh

[2:53:54] Voice 6: staff freighter or staff yeomans um whoever is most appropriate to answer that i

[2:54:02] Voice 8: i get i expect

[2:54:04] Voice 8: that's me i cannot recall why they're in the order that they are i don't think it's material

[2:54:09] Voice 8: if you'd like to signal that the reconciliation principle should come first certainly you could

[2:54:13] Voice 8: um at the end of the day i think it's just important that the content is there

[2:54:20] Voice 19: yeah thank you for that um if if there's no particular reason not to i i just think as you

[2:54:27] Voice 19: you as we go through it it um i'd i'd like it better if if 2.2 was the reconciliation principles

[2:54:38] Voice 19: and 2.3 was the cooperation principles just think as we read it um with a certain lens then that

[2:54:45] Voice 19: signals um a level of importance it's very highly symbolic i completely understand that

[2:54:53] Voice 19: and perhaps also highly subjective.

[2:54:57] Voice 19: But from my subjective point of view,

[2:54:59] Voice 19: I think I'd like it better.

[2:55:03] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:55:04] Voice 6: And if you would like to, after discussion,

[2:55:07] Voice 6: move a motion to that effect, please feel free.

[2:55:10] Voice 20: Trustee Yates?

[2:55:11] Voice 20: I think I would like that better too.

[2:55:13] Voice 20: Thank you for the suggestion, Trustee Peterson.

[2:55:18] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:55:19] Voice 6: It looks like you've got some support.

[2:55:21] Voice 6: So would you like to make a motion to that effect,

[2:55:29] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson?

[2:55:34] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you. I was just juggling my screens here. Okay, so I move that Trust Programs Committee. I think this is a Recommended Trust Council.

[2:55:48] Voice 19: Recommend to Trust Council to reorder Section 2 by making 2.2 reconciliation principles and 2.3 cooperation principles.

[2:56:17] Voice 6: We'll just wait for Steph Barlow to get that up on the screen so we can have a peek at it.

[2:56:23] Voice 6: it. And then I'll ask if anyone has any wording changes that they would like to make to it.

[2:56:32] Voice 6: And if not, then I will ask for a seconder. Trustee Govereau, thank you so much. Do we have

[2:56:47] Voice 6: any comments or discussion on the request? Trustee Govereau?

[2:56:55] Voice 7: Yeah, we vote in favor of this. I think

[2:56:57] Voice 7: it's a good idea, but also brings consistency, I think, to the document. If you look to 3.1

[2:57:03] Voice 7: and 3.2 objectives as well it's the same order we move to the next

[2:57:07] Voice 7: section perfect

[2:57:10] Voice 6: um if there's no

[2:57:13] Voice 6: further discussion i will call the vote on this all those in favor please raise your hand lovely

[2:57:24] Voice 6: thank you please lower your hand are there any opposed seeing none that carries and thank you

[2:57:34] Voice 6: so much trustee peterson for catching that all right let's have uh going into part three

[2:57:44] Voice 6: does anyone have any additional

[2:57:49] Voice 15: comments i'll share

[2:58:13] Voice 6: um staff elliott yeah sorry i froze

[2:58:17] Voice 6: staff elliott go ahead yes

[2:58:23] Voice 2: i should i should have brought it up earlier but i i quickly went

[2:58:26] Voice 2: through this morning and that something that jumps out to me is uh the use of uh i guess healing and

[2:58:32] Voice 2: um and then you know the term healing when we look at it definitely you know definitely there's a

[2:58:37] Voice 2: process where uh you know there's there has been some harm and but you know my my concern is that

[2:58:44] Voice 2: you know using it from my i guess from my place from coming from island trust it's uh

[2:58:49] Voice 2: it keeps power and it makes statements that we have to heal the first nations regards to our

[2:58:54] Voice 2: our interaction and our relationship that has been built over, I guess, generations.

[2:59:00] Voice 2: And so I, you know, I have concern about it.

[2:59:02] Voice 2: And it's, you know, it's centered on through, you know, if we're working on building trust,

[2:59:08] Voice 2: I don't want this to go out and be read and be interpreted by the nations as they're reading it,

[2:59:14] Voice 2: that, you know, they're the ones that have to go through this healing process to build this relationship.

[2:59:19] Voice 2: relationship um and so i just you know it refers to that the you know they they're they're subjects

[2:59:25] Voice 2: it's not acknowledging that you know the knowledge that our first nations people have

[2:59:29] Voice 2: and the strength and knowledge that they they carry so you know i i'm just wondering if we

[2:59:34] Voice 2: could look at the use of healing and i think it was also used in uh uh the section up above but i

[2:59:41] Voice 2: those are those are the places i saw it and that's one yep thank

[2:59:47] Voice 6: you so much for that that's uh

[2:59:48] Voice 6: uh, yes, I think that that really does need to be looked at. Um, uh, trustee found

[3:00:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, thank you very much for bringing that up. I was stumbling over it going, oh, but staff have had input. Okay, let's talk about it. That's great.

[3:00:10] Trustee Fast: Let's ask that Trust Programs Committee request staff to provide advice about the wording, including whether healing process should be in the Trust Policy Statement or not.

[3:00:41] Voice 6: We'll wait for Staff Barlow to start that. You might need to help clarify some of your wording in there.

[3:00:49] Voice 6: Um,

[3:01:05] Trustee Fast: yeah, I think the wording around reconciliation, comma. Yeah.

[3:01:26] Voice 20: Okay. Trustee Yates.

[3:01:30] Voice 20: Thank you for this discussion. Um, I feel really uncomfortable having that phrase

[3:01:36] Voice 20: in here for a number of different reasons. So I will look forward to some staff advice. And of

[3:01:42] Voice 20: And, of course, we already did get some very good advice from Senior Policy Advisor Joe Elliott.

[3:01:51] Voice 20: Trustee Peterson?

[3:01:54] Voice 19: Yeah, I just wanted to express my thanks.

[3:01:59] Voice 19: Thank you, Joe.

[3:02:00] Voice 19: I know as we're looking at the language that we're using around reconciliation and with best intentions, we sometimes don't always think out the implications and how it might be read from a person who is not us, who has a lived experience that we don't have.

[3:02:28] Voice 19: have. So I really appreciate the insight and it's helpful because we want to be respectful and

[3:02:37] Voice 19: avoid language that sends the message counter to what our intent is. So really appreciate that.

[3:02:45] Voice 19: Thank you.

[3:02:47] Voice 6: Yes. And I would really like to echo the sentiments heard. Thank you so much,

[3:02:52] Voice 6: for bringing this forward um really really appreciate that okay

[3:03:01] Trustee Fast: um yeah thank you i'm just

[3:03:06] Trustee Fast: reading that sentence the indigenous people of the islands trust area uh part of the reason i

[3:03:14] Trustee Fast: phrased this um so open uh is maybe indigenous people of the islands trust area isn't the best

[3:03:23] Trustee Fast: wording either, because it may not include Indigenous people who are currently living

[3:03:32] Trustee Fast: in Victoria, for example, or somewhere nearby, but would like to return to the Islands Trust

[3:03:39] Trustee Fast: Area. I don't know, maybe that's fine as it is. I'm just looking for suggestions about how

[3:03:49] Trustee Fast: how the wording around reconciliation can be the best.

[3:03:54] Trustee Fast: Recognizing also that everybody's use of different words

[3:03:58] Trustee Fast: is changing all the time

[3:03:59] Trustee Fast: and that there's better advice is needed at every stage.

[3:04:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:04:10] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:04:11] Trustee Fast: Trustee Peterson?

[3:04:15] Voice 19: Yeah, just sort of echoing some of what I heard

[3:04:17] Voice 19: from Trustee Fast and reflecting that

[3:04:22] Voice 19: that there, we did, although I don't have it in front of me,

[3:04:26] Voice 19: we did reach out to many First Nations on the draft

[3:04:33] Voice 19: before we started picking away at it here.

[3:04:36] Voice 19: And there may be some good advice or some good thoughts in there as well.

[3:04:42] Voice 19: But just appreciate that we're taking the time to sort of step back

[3:04:45] Voice 19: and recognizing that the language we use is really important

[3:04:50] Voice 19: And taking the time to be respectful and thoughtful about what language we do or in fact don't include is an important thing.

[3:05:01] Voice 19: And personally, as a settler, despite my learning process, I have a long way to go.

[3:05:11] Voice 19: And it's definitely not for me to define what's absolutely appropriate or what isn't

[3:05:21] Voice 19: an appropriate or what's missing.

[3:05:23] Voice 19: And this is where we need to take the advice and to appreciate that.

[3:05:29] Voice 19: So thank you.

[3:05:31] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:05:32] Voice 6: And I would also love to request, Steph Elliott, if he sees anything else in here that may

[3:05:39] Voice 6: um may come across uh counter to our intentions which are open-hearted and

[3:05:48] Voice 6: um inclusive please let us know uh we definitely want to make sure that we are treading uh softly

[3:05:58] Voice 6: um so please please do um let us know in the future as well at any point okay

[3:06:04] Voice 2: i will thanks

[3:06:05] Voice 2: except so

[3:06:08] Voice 6: trustee fast you're happy with the language that you moved i haven't heard any

[3:06:14] Voice 6: other changes so i'm going to ask for a second uh trustee govoro thank you so much

[3:06:26] Voice 6: any further discussion on this trustee peterson yeah

[3:06:36] Voice 19: i just want to appreciate that the mover has

[3:06:38] Voice 19: has made this motion fairly broad and so I think it invites consideration broadly throughout the

[3:06:47] Voice 19: document and I appreciate that thank you thank

[3:06:53] Voice 6: you okay so I'm going to call the vote if there's

[3:06:59] Voice 6: no further discussion all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand

[3:07:07] Voice 6: are there any opposed seeing none this is carried thank you so much for raising this

[3:07:17] Voice 6: really appreciate that are there any other high level comments in section two okay if not let's

[3:07:34] Voice 6: go over to section three any additional comments for section three and again we can come back to

[3:07:45] Voice 6: this at the next meeting as well if you come up with anything else trustee elliot i'm just

[3:07:52] Trustee Elliott: just wondering if we can um have a break for lunch um we've been at this about three hours

[3:07:57] Trustee Elliott: pretty steady

[3:07:58] Trustee Elliott: absolutely

[3:07:59] Voice 6: i do apologize i rarely stop myself and uh thank you for the reminder

[3:08:05] Voice 6: absolutely um do you want to come back at uh one o'clock so it'll be a 50 minute break

[3:08:11] Voice 6: uh steph rater do you

[3:08:14] Voice 8: um i'm just wanting to check on the availability of senior freshwater

[3:08:17] Voice 8: water planner you are um sorry senior fresh water specialist shulwa to join us after lunch before

[3:08:22] Voice 8: you break here he's just

[3:08:23] Voice 8: rejoined to deal with that one policy sounds good william can we ask

[3:08:31] Voice 8: if you'll be available uh

[3:08:32] Voice 17: yeah um so right at one sharp yes please okay thank you see you then

[3:08:42] Voice 20: trustee yates oh sorry hi i'm just gonna beg for a break thank you of course of course and i

[3:09:00] Voice 15: It appears we might have lost

[3:09:02] Voice 8: the chair just as she was calling for a break.

[3:09:06] Voice 6: I need somebody else to chair. Just a heads up.

[3:09:11] Voice 6: We missed some of that, Chair Evans.

[3:09:13] Voice 6: Sorry, I was just going to say I will need to leave the meeting around 2.15-ish.

[3:09:20] Voice 6: So if we're still going at that point, I will need to have somebody else step up and share the meeting just as a heads up.

[3:09:26] Voice 6: But I think we're going through this fairly quickly.

[3:09:28] Voice 6: quickly um so we may still finish relatively early today so let's take a break and come back

[3:09:38] Voice 6: at one o'clock thank you

[3:57:38] Voice 15: I'm going to

[3:57:39] Voice 6: ask as people come back

[3:57:40] Voice 6: if they can put the videos on

[3:57:42] Voice 6: so I can see who's here

[3:57:44] Voice 6: so we know when we have quorum.

[3:57:48] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:57:50] Voice 6: That's two minutes to likely still.

[3:57:54] Voice 6: Everybody's getting their last little

[3:57:57] Voice 6: bits of food in them and drinks.

[3:58:02] Voice 21: I'm not able to use video, unfortunately,

[3:58:04] Voice 21: because I will crash immediately.

[3:58:06] Voice 21: So I'm here.

[3:58:07] Voice 6: Thank you so much for letting me know.

[3:58:09] Voice 6: seven okay so i think we're at quorum again um stuff barter can i confirm we're at quorum

[3:59:22] Voice 6: i think we've got seven trustees that have shown up online uh trustee maude said that

[3:59:27] Voice 6: he can't turn his camera on but he has confirmed that he is here it

[3:59:35] Voice 3: appears that you have seven

[3:59:37] Voice 3: trustees is that correct that's

[3:59:40] Voice 6: what i saw yes so confirming that's quorum yes

[3:59:45] Voice 3: quorum is five

[3:59:46] Voice 3: five and a half.

[3:59:47] Voice 6: Oh, a whole half. I wonder if he's losing weight. Okay. So that was you,

[3:59:54] Voice 6: trustee Graham, you're losing weight. Awesome. All right. Let's

[4:00:00] Voice 6: carry on. So I was asking if anyone had any other high-level comments or anything that they had

[4:00:08] Voice 6: noticed was missing or needed adjustments in part three. And I'm going to go to Trustee Fast.

[4:00:22] Trustee Fast: You're muted. Sorry. I thought we could begin with whatever we've got William Shulba back with

[4:00:30] Trustee Fast: us for away from his field work and notice he's joined us and uh which one was that and can we do

[4:00:37] Trustee Fast: that one first yep

[4:00:38] Voice 6: that's it so we've got a couple in here uh we've got watershed ecosystems marine

[4:00:43] Voice 6: shorelines um so we have a few of those in here so if anyone has any anything in the section if

[4:00:53] Voice 6: not we'll move on to the next section okay i'm not seeing any so

[4:01:03] Trustee Fast: there was a specific one that

[4:01:05] Trustee Fast: That we had hoped he'd come back for?

[4:01:09] Trustee Fast: Yes, that was.

[4:01:10] Trustee Fast: Let me get my notes.

[4:01:13] Voice 6: Oh, frig.

[4:01:17] Voice 6: I'm actually drawing a blank on that right now.

[4:01:23] Voice 6: So maybe somebody else.

[4:01:30] Voice 6: Does anybody remember what that was?

[4:01:34] Trustee Fast: I was looking and that's why I'm asking because I'm.

[4:01:40] Voice 22: I thought we dealt with it our last meeting.

[4:01:42] Voice 22: That's my only memory of that.

[4:01:46] Voice 6: Yeah, I thought.

[4:01:47] Voice 6: um i know there was something that we were asking him to speak to and we were going to give him five

[4:01:52] Voice 6: minutes to get to wherever he was and i thought we dealt with it as well so uh

[4:02:02] Voice 17: yeah chair um

[4:02:04] Voice 17: hi welcome um i'm back in my office so so no need to rush um but um uh i think the

[4:02:11] Voice 17: the first comment was on the letter perhaps um that was put into the agenda package i think

[4:02:18] Voice 17: that's what the first question was

[4:02:20] Voice 17: no

[4:02:21] Voice 6: um we were dealing with 351 and i think we dealt with that

[4:02:25] Voice 6: yeah um

[4:02:26] Voice 6: the public comments we will um staff will look into it was just that the public comments

[4:02:33] Voice 6: were on 351 that we had outstanding comments on ourselves yes i

[4:02:39] Voice 6: think that got dealt with

[4:02:41] Voice 6: Yeah,

[4:02:41] Voice 17: I think so too.

[4:02:43] Voice 6: And then the request to staff was to take a look at the letter to make sure that

[4:02:49] Voice 6: the comments in there had been reviewed and come back with comments to us on that as needed.

[4:03:03] Voice 6: So again, I'm going to ask, is there anything else on section three? Or are we happy with

[4:03:09] Voice 6: the way this is worded? There's quite a bit in here.

[4:03:15] Voice 6: I have I have one I have one question for staff I'm gonna pop my hand up and that I'm hoping they

[4:03:34] Voice 6: can help me with in the current policy 512 it deals with noise and lighting in and through

[4:03:44] Voice 6: the trust area that it should be compatible with the community character I know that there is

[4:03:50] Voice 6: um something that trustee morrison's working on with regards to um uh light night sky dark dark

[4:04:02] Voice 6: skies yes um and my question to staff is we had something in here i know that this was more at

[4:04:12] Voice 6: the commitment level of of trust council um and i believe that part of this is perhaps outside of

[4:04:19] Voice 6: our jurisdiction? And is that why this wasn't considered for inclusion in here? So that's my

[4:04:24] Voice 6: question to staff. If staff Yeomans or Claire with longer history is able to answer.

[4:04:36] Voice 16: I'm afraid I may have to defer to Director Frater as to why this may not have been included

[4:04:41] Voice 16: in the new version of the policy statement. I mean, I can speak briefly to the fact that

[4:04:47] Voice 16: that local trust committees have little regulatory authority over lighting, except insofar as you

[4:04:54] Voice 16: can implement development permit areas that control the form and character of commercial

[4:04:59] Voice 16: developments and industrial developments and multifamily developments, which of course may

[4:05:03] Voice 16: be prone to emitting higher intensity light than standard residential developments. But

[4:05:08] Voice 16: there's not much that you can do in the way of regulating lighting of single-family dwellings.

[4:05:18] Voice 16: though may be able to tinker around the edges of some of the environmental development permit

[4:05:22] Voice 16: authorities that you have if you can tie it directly to protecting some aspect of

[4:05:28] Voice 16: the natural environment.

[4:05:30] Voice 6: No worries. That's what I thought. I just wanted to double check. Thank

[4:05:33] Voice 6: you so much for clarifying. Trustee Yates.

[4:05:37] Voice 20: Thank you. Yes, there was a long discussion on this at

[4:05:41] Voice 20: a couple of council meetings, and certainly it's been brought up at our local trust committee

[4:05:46] Voice 20: meeting for our official community plan review and it would be very helpful to have even just

[4:05:53] Voice 20: an advocacy statement in the policy statement about advocating for the dark sky principle

[4:06:03] Voice 20: it's been adopted all over the world many municipalities have adopted it and we do have

[4:06:08] Voice 20: have some we do have some authority over for example signage um and the intensity and direction

[4:06:16] Voice 20: of lighting in dpas um and there's no harm in at least advocating for the dark sky principles

[4:06:26] Voice 20: and then if we do want to talk about it in our official community plans it is there for our

[4:06:35] Voice 20: referral and um yeah that's that's all i'll say right now um staff rita thank

[4:06:49] Voice 8: you uh just a

[4:06:50] Voice 8: reminder that trust council as part of the 32 resolutions directed us to remove all of the

[4:06:55] Voice 8: advocacy related policies from this document so it's left simply just at the only thing that's

[4:07:01] Voice 8: left is internal advocacy through those advisory policies um to local trust committees and other

[4:07:05] Voice 8: island municipalities um so if you would wanted to address the topic in the document either it's

[4:07:10] Voice 8: returning to trust council to assess if you want to have advocacy policies in it again or if you'd

[4:07:15] Voice 8: like to have the direction to local trust committees and island municipalities um through

[4:07:19] Voice 8: the you know the

[4:07:20] Voice 8: limited mechanisms as defined by um jason newmans would

[4:07:25] Voice 6: it be possible to put

[4:07:26] Voice 6: in an advisory policy versus an advocacy policy um with you know with softer language i i will

[4:07:35] Voice 8: we'll leave it to senior policy advisor humans to put the final word in here.

[4:07:40] Voice 8: But I would suggest if you, if you'd like to direct, you know,

[4:07:43] Voice 8: if you think trust council should be directing local trust committees and

[4:07:46] Voice 8: municipalities to do something, make it a directive.

[4:07:48] Voice 8: The advisory policies were really intended for where we don't have legal

[4:07:51] Voice 8: jurisdiction in that area, but you want,

[4:07:53] Voice 8: or council doesn't have the legal jurisdiction to, you know,

[4:07:56] Voice 8: direct something you're trying to achieve it in a softer way in this way.

[4:07:59] Voice 8: I think council could direct,

[4:08:00] Voice 8: but I'll look for a nod on that one from the someone with the planning

[4:08:04] Voice 8: background? Yeah. So I would recommend if you'd like to address the topic or would like counsel

[4:08:08] Voice 8: to, you could make it a directive.

[4:08:11] Voice 6: Okay. So we can do one of two things. We can wait to see how

[4:08:17] Voice 6: Trustee Morrison's dark skies principles flows out, or if this is something that is of importance

[4:08:26] Voice 6: to people and you'd like to see it, some wording put in here. I'll leave this up to the attendees

[4:08:33] Voice 6: to figure out um how they feel about that and if you want to put together a motion for the next

[4:08:40] Voice 6: meeting on it i'll leave it for people to have a think about that sound good okay um i'm gonna

[4:08:52] Voice 6: throw my hand up one more time apologies um i have one other question of course i didn't mark

[4:09:06] Voice 6: out where I saw this but I noticed that and again this is a question for staff I

[4:09:14] Voice 6: noticed that there had been in the or there is currently in the the current

[4:09:19] Voice 6: policy that no extraction of peat metals minerals coals or petroleum resources in

[4:09:25] Voice 6: the trust areas permitted and that's been removed I'm wondering if like why

[4:09:35] Voice 6: why that was removed if it's if if you just simply can't do any of that here i know that

[4:09:42] Voice 6: someone on north panda has mineral rights so you know if they wanted to they could um

[4:09:50] Voice 6: but i'm curious because i have no uh no knowledge of this whatsoever um why that was removed uh

[4:09:59] Voice 6: Steph, Rita, please.

[4:10:01] Voice 8: So as part of the 32 resolutions of Trust Council from September of 22 now,

[4:10:08] Voice 8: there was direction to remove detailed commitments of Trust Council,

[4:10:11] Voice 8: which were really just principle statements,

[4:10:14] Voice 8: and to develop more general guiding principles

[4:10:16] Voice 8: that were in accordance with the object of the trust.

[4:10:19] Voice 8: So it was removed per that direction

[4:10:21] Voice 8: to get away from the more specific commitments

[4:10:23] Voice 8: and just up to the general guiding principles.

[4:10:26] Voice 8: principles um but certainly happy you know if that's a something that you'd want to have policy

[4:10:31] Voice 8: and the guiding principles around you could but i think there was a desire to shift away from that

[4:10:35] Voice 8: specificity okay

[4:10:39] Voice 6: um i'm thinking like while while there isn't anyone actively doing it today the

[4:10:51] Voice 6: fact that people are currently holding mineral rights makes me nervous um so i'm wondering if

[4:10:59] Voice 6: if we really should have something a little bit more specific that says in the

[4:11:03] Voice 6: islands trust areas, you know,

[4:11:05] Voice 6: you're not going to be doing any mining for minerals.

[4:11:07] Voice 6: I know that we're on islands, but there are people that like,

[4:11:13] Voice 6: we can't say that it's not going to happen in the future.

[4:11:17] Voice 6: So yeah, I'm not sure.

[4:11:21] Voice 6: Just a staff Rita.

[4:11:24] Voice 8: I think perhaps my last comments, I want to clear off.

[4:11:26] Voice 8: I really think it is advocacy.

[4:11:28] Voice 8: advocacy so i think if there's a desire to include statements like this there are likely a number of

[4:11:32] Voice 8: other of those types of advocacy commitments that were in the last statement so for this topic you'd

[4:11:37] Voice 8: likely if this was to be included you would likely trigger consideration of all the other commitments

[4:11:41] Voice 8: that were there as well um so i just want to flag that it really does fall into the realm of

[4:11:46] Voice 8: advocacy which council had directed not no longer be in the document and then the guiding principles

[4:11:51] Voice 8: that council has included are now you know guiding to itself or to its future self um rather than

[4:11:57] Voice 8: and directed towards other agencies of the province, for example, or to business.

[4:12:01] Voice 6: Okay, so for clarification, we have no authority to say you can't mine or do petroleum.

[4:12:10] Voice 5: Correct.

[4:12:10] Voice 6: We have no authority. Okay, that was my first earlier question. I wasn't clear on that. Thank you so much for clarifying.

[4:12:17] Voice 6: Trustee Fast.

[4:12:18] Voice 6: um thank you i

[4:12:20] Trustee Fast: just want to say that it seems in the past on bowen anyway um mining and mining

[4:12:30] Trustee Fast: claims have been uh used to uh clear and prepare areas and uh change the um layout of the land

[4:12:43] Trustee Fast: land by putting in a road, for example. And then it doesn't happen, but the land, no mining happens,

[4:12:53] Trustee Fast: but the land has been changed. So I don't, however, I take the point that we don't necessarily have

[4:12:59] Trustee Fast: any jurisdiction over that. And I don't want to go back to having advocacy policies. So I

[4:13:07] Trustee Fast: I take my hand down.

[4:13:10] Voice 6: Thank you.

[4:13:11] Voice 6: Trustee Harris.

[4:13:13] Voice 18: Yeah, we don't not necessarily have jurisdiction.

[4:13:17] Voice 18: We don't have jurisdiction.

[4:13:19] Voice 18: That's cut and dry, plain and simple.

[4:13:23] Voice 6: Perfect.

[4:13:24] Voice 6: Thank you.

[4:13:24] Voice 6: And that was my question.

[4:13:26] Voice 6: I just wanted some clarity on that.

[4:13:27] Voice 6: So thank you, everyone.

[4:13:29] Voice 6: Does anyone else?

[4:13:31] Voice 6: Oh, Trustee Fast.

[4:13:33] Trustee Fast: I have a new one.

[4:13:34] Trustee Fast: i'm looking at 3.5 which are the directive policies around marine shorelines

[4:13:40] Trustee Fast: and uh i'm wondering about the use of styrofoam in docks and better um management of uh docks

[4:13:52] Trustee Fast: and mooring buoys there's a um best practices for marine docks is a document now um in in version

[4:14:05] Trustee Fast: Version two, we've just updated it over here in Howe Sound, Alkitsam, partly because we discovered that it had been created through the Howe Sound biosphere and discovered that the province had been recommending it to others.

[4:14:23] Trustee Fast: and as a way to reduce the amount of styrofoam pollution

[4:14:27] Trustee Fast: and the amount of scouring by those anchor chains on mooring buoys

[4:14:34] Trustee Fast: as the tide goes up and down and the chain drops

[4:14:36] Trustee Fast: and makes the big sweeping circle across the floor.

[4:14:40] Trustee Fast: Anyway, I'm looking at the marine shorelines directive policies here

[4:14:47] Trustee Fast: here and uh wondering that 3.5.21 says consider the cumulative effects of docs and uh i might

[4:14:59] Trustee Fast: bring one forward to the next meeting if you like about this document and then we can put it in the

[4:15:06] Trustee Fast: agenda so everybody's had a chance to look at it and think about it does that sound like the way

[4:15:10] Trustee Fast: way to do

[4:15:12] Voice 6: it i would recommend that you send it out to everyone now because the meeting is next

[4:15:16] Voice 6: next week so staff are not going this was the discussion we had at the last meeting they're

[4:15:21] Voice 6: not going to have time to formally create a new agenda for this discussion so i would recommend

[4:15:28] Voice 6: you send it out to all the trustees on the committee okay thank you thank you okay any

[4:15:37] Voice 6: further questions comments on section three or part three okay and we're waiting to go through

[4:15:53] Voice 6: through part four at the next meeting, and we've reviewed the glossary. So we've done a first and

[4:15:58] Voice 6: a second pass on the document. We've done a lot of work cumulatively as Committee of the Whole

[4:16:06] Voice 6: and as Trust Programs. So I think by the end of the next meeting, we should be in a good position

[4:16:13] Voice 6: to turn this over to Committee of the Whole for the review at the end of May.

[4:16:18] Voice 6: so within this next week i would like to ask each of you to go through this once more read the

[4:16:25] Voice 6: document in its entirety and see how it now sits as a whole also review the current one

[4:16:33] Voice 6: make sure that we've we've captured everything that we want to in this document

[4:16:39] Voice 6: and then we'll meet again next week and be able to go through it one final time in addition

[4:16:48] Voice 6: to our regular trust programs committee work which is going to be part of our because it's

[4:16:54] Voice 6: our regular trust count trust programs committee meeting next week all right so i'm going to ask

[4:17:02] Voice 6: one more time does anyone have anything else in this document for discussion at this point

[4:17:15] Voice 20: trustee yates well maybe i'll just ask this question in a different way um at our last

[4:17:21] Voice 20: discussion at Trust Council when we talked about the dark sky principles and advocacy,

[4:17:29] Voice 20: it was decided at Council that this should go back to communities for their OCPs and it should

[4:17:35] Voice 20: go back to the Trust Policy Statement. But if we don't have any advocacy statements from the Trust

[4:17:41] Voice 20: Policy Statement, I don't know whether this is possible to have an advisory. I hate to just lose

[4:17:50] Voice 20: the whole thing because it's a really important environmental consideration and certainly even

[4:17:56] Voice 20: Bowen Island municipality has adopted something but I know it's a municipality and I know they

[4:18:02] Voice 20: can do that but I don't want to lose this it's just such an important discussion so

[4:18:08] Voice 20: maybe I'll ask some advice from staff after this meeting.

[4:18:14] Voice 6: Sounds good and then if you are able to

[4:18:16] Voice 6: work with staff and perhaps come up with some advisory policy wording we can have that discussion

[4:18:25] Voice 6: and it can also still go to the committee of the hall for further discussion as well and again at

[4:18:31] Voice 6: trust council so if we're not able to get it in now at this at this juncture there are still further

[4:18:38] Voice 6: other opportunities trustee fast um

[4:18:44] Trustee Fast: thank you my question is about the um uh motion that uh lisa

[4:18:50] Trustee Fast: govro made at trustee govro made at the last um i think it was at the last time we discussed this

[4:18:58] Trustee Fast: april 2nd um and this was about a new advisory policy culturally food forest gardening indigenous

[4:19:06] Trustee Fast: indigenous farming practices. Is that in here? Because I haven't been able to find it.

[4:19:11] Trustee Fast: Not

[4:19:11] Voice 6: yet. Staff was still working on on some of this because the timeline for the turnover for

[4:19:17] Voice 6: the work and the research is very limited. So like I said, some of the some of the

[4:19:23] Voice 6: recommendations and some of the work that we've asked staff to do is going to be coming a little

[4:19:28] Voice 6: bit later down the down the line. It's not that it's not coming. We just have to give them time

[4:19:32] Voice 6: time to get it done. Okay, thank you very much. And I'm just going to double check with staff

[4:19:38] Voice 6: Rita, if there's anything else that she'd like to add there or staff Yeomans.

[4:19:43] Voice 8: Well, I'll start us

[4:19:44] Voice 8: off. That's right. So yeah, so our next agenda for you is due out on Friday. So we only have a few

[4:19:50] Voice 8: working days for all the requests you've made today to try and get that advice to you by Friday.

[4:19:55] Voice 8: I don't know if that's achievable. I'm heading to Bowen and Gabriela and other things as well.

[4:20:00] Voice 8: so we may get you what we can in an agenda for Friday and then I'll work with staff we may have

[4:20:05] Voice 8: some items that will have to come as late items next week and it may be that we simply can't get

[4:20:09] Voice 8: everything to you in written form in time um so we're going to do what we can and then I think

[4:20:14] Voice 8: we'll be talking with this committee at the next meeting on May 7th around where are we at right um

[4:20:21] Voice 8: we are looking at some potential timelines for trying to achieve first reading in the coming

[4:20:26] Voice 8: months here but certainly it's becoming tight we need to get it in for legal review there's

[4:20:30] Voice 8: a number of steps that will have to happen and we also want to make sure it's ready before we

[4:20:34] Voice 8: involve all of the committee of the whole again and sort of really trigger the public to come into

[4:20:38] Voice 8: this process so i think we'll have to have a conversation at the next meeting as to what

[4:20:42] Voice 8: your advice to executive committee will be around whether you think you've had sufficient review and

[4:20:46] Voice 8: editing or whether we should have an extended time frame i'll look to senior policy advisor

[4:20:52] Voice 8: or humans to see these guiding to add there no okay yeah so we are you know tentatively looking

[4:20:59] Voice 8: at a committee of the whole meeting at the end of may but to do that you would need to be completed

[4:21:03] Voice 8: on may 7th for trust programs committee review and when we get to looking back at the end of

[4:21:09] Voice 8: the agenda here for the next meeting i'll speak to some possible suggestions around the timing

[4:21:13] Voice 8: of that meeting thank

[4:21:15] Voice 6: you so um i was going to say something i forgot what it was um so i'm just

[4:21:22] Voice 6: going to ask everyone here, do you feel that we've had sufficient review? I know that there

[4:21:27] Voice 6: are still some outstanding items to come back from staff. Do you feel that we've had sufficient

[4:21:31] Voice 6: review? Are you feeling comfortable that we're almost ready to hand this over to Trust Council

[4:21:38] Voice 6: at the Committee of the Whole for their review? Or do you feel that we still need more time

[4:21:44] Voice 6: outside of the meeting next week? I'm seeing thumbs up. Okay, so I'm going to respond then

[4:21:54] Voice 6: back to staff that I think this committee is feeling fairly confident that we're very close

[4:21:58] Voice 6: to handing this over. Once the outstanding items have been dealt with, and if there are some

[4:22:06] Voice 6: outstanding items that can't be dealt with by our next meeting, that they are dealt with and brought

[4:22:11] Voice 6: forward to the committee of the whole meeting at the end of the month, would be the request.

[4:22:16] Voice 6: Is that fair to everyone? Seeing nods. Okay. Thank you. Thumbs up. Brilliant. All right. With that,

[4:22:24] Voice 6: I would like to thank you all today and appreciate everyone's attention. I know this has been

[4:22:30] Voice 6: a little bit of a longer meeting than usual. And our next meeting, like we've said, is Wednesday

[4:22:38] Voice 6: next week on May 7th. It's currently scheduled in here from 10 to 3. I'm going to turn it over

[4:22:45] Voice 6: to Staff Raider. I know she had some comments on that. It may be that we need to start it at 9am

[4:22:49] Voice 6: am because i know it's going to be a heavier agenda um where did you go staff rater yeah thank

[4:22:56] Voice 8: you that was going to be along the lines of what i was suggesting because we're bringing you all

[4:23:00] Voice 8: of your regular business for that meeting um and you certainly want to finish this i wondered if

[4:23:04] Voice 8: you wanted to schedule a longer meeting like even consider nine till 3 30 or something um and then

[4:23:10] Voice 8: you know ideally finish early but wanting to make sure you potentially if you wanted to now rather

[4:23:15] Voice 8: rather than do it by resolution without meeting,

[4:23:17] Voice 8: if you wanted to consider starting earlier

[4:23:19] Voice 8: and ending a bit later,

[4:23:20] Voice 8: then you might have sufficient time

[4:23:22] Voice 8: to get through the business of that meeting

[4:23:24] Voice 8: if you wanted to also address the policy statement

[4:23:26] Voice 8: in addition to all the regular business.

[4:23:29] Voice 6: Yes, I think that's a good,

[4:23:31] Voice 6: I personally would favor starting at nine.

[4:23:34] Voice 6: Trustee Yates?

[4:23:36] Voice 20: As difficult as it is,

[4:23:38] Voice 20: and I know I echo Trustee Graham on this,

[4:23:41] Voice 20: starting earlier,

[4:23:43] Voice 20: I would rather start at nine

[4:23:45] Voice 20: because I know for certain that I have to leave at three that day.

[4:23:50] Voice 6: And I have to, I have to get to work that day as well. So

[4:23:56] Voice 6: seeing another thumbs up, is that going to be a problem for anyone seeing more thumbs up?

[4:24:03] Voice 6: Okay. I'm going to say that let's, let's change it to 9am start and we'll go for a 3pm finish

[4:24:11] Voice 6: and hopefully we can end earlier okay okay and with that is there anything else that anyone would

[4:24:24] Voice 6: like to say i would like to again express my appreciation to everyone who has joined the

[4:24:29] Voice 6: meeting today and has brought forward their comments um we had uh somebody from the public

[4:24:35] Voice 6: today which was great we've had some wonderful feedback from staff uh the committee members have

[4:24:43] Voice 6: have been very engaging so thank you everybody really really appreciate it okay and with that

[4:24:50] Voice 6: then i would like to adjourn all those in favor uh trusty fast oh you're muted

[4:25:03] Voice 6: voting to

[4:25:05] Voice 5: adjourn thanks everybody sounds good bye now bye everyone have a good day