Islands Trust Council community information meeting, May 12, 2025

[0:01:21] Voice 6: And if

[0:01:22] Voice 6: I had my

[0:01:22] Trustee Elliott: technology sorted, we would not have been muted.

[0:01:25] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, everyone online.

[0:01:26] Trustee Elliott: Can you hear me now?

[0:01:28] Voice 4: Yep.

[0:01:28] Voice 4: Thanks.

[0:01:29] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[0:01:30] Trustee Elliott: Sorry about that.

[0:01:31] Trustee Elliott: I was just going through our opening protocol.

[0:01:34] Trustee Elliott: So I wanted to acknowledge the beautiful work that the Skidi community has engaged with

[0:01:38] Trustee Elliott: over the last five years, which culminated in the unveiling of that beautiful mural at

[0:01:44] Trustee Elliott: Falls Bay.

[0:01:45] Trustee Elliott: and I was able to attend in with the Chair Patrick and of course local trustee Tim Peterson

[0:01:54] Trustee Elliott: as well as some staff and I really was deeply moved at the relationships that have been built

[0:02:02] Trustee Elliott: and the honoring from both sides that has gone on so to the Qualicum and Tla'amen peoples

[0:02:07] Trustee Elliott: and to the Leskete community for orienting themselves to the historical relationship of the Indigenous governing peoples to this land and place.

[0:02:20] Trustee Elliott: So we might hear more about that with our trustee and chair updates.

[0:02:23] Trustee Elliott: I just want to introduce everybody in the room. Your local trustees are Makayla Laroni here on my left and Tim Peterson on my right.

[0:02:32] Voice 4: And

[0:02:32] Trustee Elliott: we are joined by Island Planner Stephen Ball today.

[0:02:35] Trustee Elliott: Hello, and meeting facilitator and minute taker Lisa Millard with us in the room, as

[0:02:42] Trustee Elliott: well as I want to recognize Cassette Director Andrew Fulm.

[0:02:45] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for being here today.

[0:02:47] Trustee Elliott: And we'll make sure to give you some time on the agenda to give a director's report.

[0:02:53] Trustee Elliott: So just to let everyone know this meeting is being recorded and live streamed for viewing

[0:02:57] Trustee Elliott: about five days after.

[0:03:00] Trustee Elliott: This is just a note, we're going to be following the adopted Laskinian Media Procedure By-law

[0:03:06] Trustee Elliott: number 100 for our guidance with Town Hall and questions and comments.

[0:03:11] Trustee Elliott: When we come to the Town Hall, I will read out the protocols that outline which subjects

[0:03:15] Trustee Elliott: may be addressed at this meeting and how we'll move through those.

[0:03:23] Trustee Elliott: Finally, a note, the recording of meetings by members in public.

[0:03:27] Trustee Elliott: we have a policy in place that members of the public can record public meetings

[0:03:31] Trustee Elliott: but the chair of the meeting must be informed before you begin recording

[0:03:35] Trustee Elliott: the chair will inform everyone present at the meeting that it will be personally recorded

[0:03:40] Trustee Elliott: and this is so that if a member of the public is uncomfortable about being recorded

[0:03:45] Trustee Elliott: while they're speaking the chair might require that the person recording temporarily stop it

[0:03:51] Trustee Elliott: and of course all meetings are recorded by islands trust can be viewed on our meeting page

[0:03:57] Trustee Elliott: online so with that i'll um move for any additions or changes to our agenda today

[0:04:13] Trustee Elliott: all right taken by general consent that the agenda be approved

[0:04:18] Trustee Elliott: and we'll move into reports do we have uh custody's reports

[0:04:21] Trustee Elliott: so

[0:04:27] Voice 13: that's our last meeting um trust council in march um we have a new chair of laura patrick

[0:04:36] Voice 13: from salt spring was elected as the chair uh we passed the budget and uh very thankful that

[0:04:43] Voice 13: our staff has got uh better communications with the province at this point and able to

[0:04:50] Voice 13: show the average value of property in the house trust area is around 825 000 and that the tax

[0:04:59] Voice 13: increase my property with the amount of 32 dollars a year and chair elliott mentioned

[0:05:07] Voice 13: the meeting procedures bylaw which will cover the entire trust area and supersede the local

[0:05:13] Voice 13: meeting procedures bylaw trust council

[0:05:18] Voice 13: trust council adopted adoption and if adopted it will then be in effect for all of the trust

[0:05:24] Voice 13: committees um updated strategic plans approved and policy statements were transferred to the

[0:05:32] Voice 13: trust programs uh we held a screening of the herald show with the dustin bones here on the

[0:05:39] Voice 13: skinny march 29th uh that last matriarch uh let's see and william white came and spoke

[0:05:51] Voice 13: can answer the q a afterwards um attended the association event around the coastal communities

[0:06:00] Voice 13: uh convention in april um and out of that i managed to get a meeting set up uh for

[0:06:07] Voice 13: every june with our ferry committee and abc ferries uh executive director of

[0:06:13] Voice 13: their own engagement had a chance to meet with a couple of ministers briefly

[0:06:18] Voice 13: briefly um attended a session uh held by the bc nurses union about the challenges of recruitment

[0:06:26] Voice 13: and retention and another around the chair of the non-profit fair care alliance and the

[0:06:36] Voice 13: president of the nymo medical staff association which presented some rather alarming data

[0:06:41] Voice 13: about the almost equal populations of anchor as split at the malahat almost the same amount of

[0:06:49] Voice 13: people on each side and the uh major inequities of facilities and capacities between the regions

[0:06:57] Voice 13: what we have north of the malahat in terms of professionals uh equipment

[0:07:11] Voice 13: there's no cath lab there's only two cardiologists north of the malahat and the failure of the

[0:07:17] Voice 13: hospital to pass a seismic review um were amongst those alarming things um trust programs committee

[0:07:26] Voice 13: i mentioned is now taking on policy statement work uh back from trust council and having a

[0:07:33] Voice 13: has met several times we're hoping to be able to advance that to dress council for june uh executive

[0:07:40] Voice 13: mini committee met april 23rd uh with a joint meeting with the island's trust conservancy

[0:07:46] Voice 13: and then on april 30th the joint meeting with uh bullen mayor and council uh chair elliott mentioned

[0:07:55] Voice 13: the jj archaeology project mural unveiling and the launch of the traveling yeah i know many other

[0:08:02] Voice 13: um local trust areas are interested in having that exhibit come to their um islands uh what else the

[0:08:11] Voice 13: cao performance evaluation committee uh met a couple of times they seem to be going well with

[0:08:17] Voice 13: the new cao and the committee of the whole met may 6th to consider the trust council statement

[0:08:26] Voice 13: on the scope and meaning of the section 3 of the office trust act object clause and then finally

[0:08:33] Voice 13: housing needs assessments are coming through the regional planning committee um

[0:08:41] Voice 13: certainly noted on some of the other islands that i am cheering that their accuracy is a little bit

[0:08:48] Voice 13: suspect um in terms of relevance and we're chair patrick and i had a short discussion about that

[0:08:56] because there's

[0:08:57] Voice 13: a lot of the numbers are based on projected growth in the

[0:09:02] Voice 13: regional district area so may not be totally relevant to Mesquite but their

[0:09:06] Voice 13: suggestion from the report is that Mesquite would need another 55 homes in

[0:09:11] Voice 13: the next five years and 156 the next 20 don't know that that's particularly

[0:09:18] Voice 13: accurate I'll leave that to conclude my trustee report today thank you trustee

[0:09:27] Trustee Elliott: peterson trustee do you have a report well after tim i'm not sure if i have anything left to add

[0:09:34] Trustee Elliott: so i just um wanted to say how great it was how many people showed up for the public hearing

[0:09:42] Trustee Elliott: back in february march in the spring in the early spring and how it was yeah i mean this doesn't

[0:09:49] Trustee Elliott: this doesn't work unless we participate so it's so great to see the participation and i hope that

[0:09:53] Trustee Elliott: will be better coming forward and i appreciate everybody here today because it is massive

[0:09:57] Trustee Elliott: gardening season and to sacrifice you know part of your day to come here and be part of this is huge

[0:10:03] Trustee Elliott: so yeah

[0:10:04] Voice 4: that's um keep

[0:10:05] Trustee Elliott: it short and sweet okay um for my chair's report uh i'll just highlight

[0:10:13] Trustee Elliott: four items uh that might be of interest um the financial planning committee uh recommended that

[0:10:21] Trustee Elliott: a pre-budget consultation happen on the 2026-27 budget cycle so we've just launched into the uh

[0:10:30] Trustee Elliott: you know may or april 1st is 2025-26 um but we're going to do uh there is a survey that's open until

[0:10:38] Trustee Elliott: june 28th where folks are being asked about your priorities and where is the islands trust going

[0:10:44] Trustee Elliott: and how how do you uh see the budget process supporting what you feel is important both at

[0:10:49] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee level and trust council so we did have a bit of a webinar last week to

[0:10:55] Trustee Elliott: match that public survey and so we do invite everyone to weigh in there tomorrow the committee

[0:11:03] Trustee Elliott: of the whole so that's a new structure we've had in place for a couple six months now to allow more

[0:11:11] Trustee Elliott: informal discussion of complex topics that don't need to lead to a decision necessarily and so

[0:11:18] Trustee Elliott: So tomorrow's discussion, May 13th,

[0:11:21] Trustee Elliott: is going to be on the recommendations

[0:11:24] Trustee Elliott: from the governance report from 2022.

[0:11:27] Trustee Elliott: And so we'll be discussing that broad,

[0:11:32] Trustee Elliott: well, in depth, actually,

[0:11:33] Trustee Elliott: and prioritizing recommendations

[0:11:35] Trustee Elliott: for Trust Council to consider.

[0:11:38] Trustee Elliott: So that will go to Trust Council in June

[0:11:40] Trustee Elliott: to support the work of the governance committee.

[0:11:43] Trustee Elliott: An executive committee,

[0:11:44] Trustee Elliott: which you fill most of most of the blanks on that the work that we're doing but I just wanted to

[0:11:51] Trustee Elliott: highlight there are two agreements that are in the process with with First Nations and Indigenous

[0:11:58] Trustee Elliott: governing bodies the first is that we are going to request staff to cooperate with the Sartlip

[0:12:05] Trustee Elliott: and Sakem First Nation with the Wissanich Leadership Council Society to develop an agreement

[0:12:11] Trustee Elliott: agreement basically a memo of understanding with trust council to be able to work on issues of

[0:12:18] Trustee Elliott: common interest and concern and the second one is a protocol agreement with say out first nation

[0:12:24] Trustee Elliott: and that's also going to be a very exciting discussion on Wednesday will be with a proposed

[0:12:33] Trustee Elliott: or an invitation rather for a feast that will be co-hosted with say out first nation to formalize

[0:12:40] Trustee Elliott: and strengthen the relationship uh with islands trust so um that would uh we're going to be making

[0:12:47] Trustee Elliott: an application to the cdc community the community grant for the feast but it's an invite by seo um

[0:12:54] Trustee Elliott: to all trustees and council to get together and really build those relationships so that's a very

[0:13:01] Trustee Elliott: very two very positive pieces of work at the nation's request. Okay, so I'll turn it over to

[0:13:11] Trustee Elliott: you, Director Fall. Do you have a report for us today?

[0:13:14] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair. I'll be brief. I'll just

[0:13:16] Voice 1: list off a few smaller, smaller items. It was great to be at AVICC and to see Chair Elliott

[0:13:23] Voice 1: and Trustee Peterson there. It's a very good event. The mural unveiling was fantastic and

[0:13:29] Voice 1: and Trustee Peterson covered that. It was a very community-building event. It was really nice to

[0:13:33] Voice 1: see so many people show up, and I think the support is overwhelming for that. This week,

[0:13:38] Voice 1: I'll be heading up to Powell River, actually later today. I attend most of my meetings online,

[0:13:46] Voice 1: but I'll attend the meeting in person when we receive delegations who are requesting grants

[0:13:51] Voice 1: and aid. So we usually hear from at least 10 or 12 or 15 groups that present to us and ask

[0:13:57] Voice 1: for funding and as part of the grant and aid program. We'll also be doing some training on

[0:14:04] Voice 1: civil conduct being held by the Justice Institute. So that's actually the main reason why I'm going

[0:14:10] Voice 1: in person. The Resource Recovery Center is fully operational now. That's this big resource

[0:14:16] Voice 1: recycling and residual waste management center up in Powell River that cost many millions of

[0:14:23] Voice 1: of dollars to get going. So it's great. And one of the things we're looking at is expanding

[0:14:27] Voice 1: recycling options. So coming up on a future agenda next month, we'll be looking at a lot of new

[0:14:33] Voice 1: options for recycling. And I'm really trying to work hard to make sure that or try to ensure that

[0:14:38] Voice 1: our recycling center can at least, you know, take some of those things and maybe bring them up and

[0:14:45] Voice 1: be part of that program. But we'll see how that works. Earlier this week, some people may have

[0:14:49] Voice 1: have noticed there was a test of the emergency public notification system they might have

[0:14:54] Voice 1: received a phone call it works well and that's a system that the qrd maintains in the event of an

[0:15:00] Voice 1: emergency messages can come out on people's phones at the last meeting we provided the the regional

[0:15:07] Voice 1: hospital district board provided some funding to the last resort society to help offset the cost

[0:15:13] Voice 1: of the new lithium batteries weren't able to provide as much as we would have liked but there

[0:15:18] Voice 1: There were limits on what we were able to provide.

[0:15:20] Voice 1: It had to be limited to the portion of the cost attributed to the health center.

[0:15:25] Voice 1: So the Last Resort Society is still doing some fundraising for that to help cover those

[0:15:29] Voice 1: costs because lithium batteries are expensive.

[0:15:32] Voice 1: Our budget was finalized a month ago.

[0:15:33] Voice 1: And for once, I can report that we had actually a decrease, which is very unusual in local

[0:15:39] Voice 1: governments.

[0:15:39] Voice 1: I don't know if I've ever seen that.

[0:15:40] Voice 1: But 6.8% decrease.

[0:15:42] Voice 1: Now, mea culpa, that's actually following or I should say caveat that follows a rather large increase last year.

[0:15:50] Voice 1: So it's kind of recouping some of that, but at least it brings it back down so that the overall is getting closer to inflation,

[0:15:56] Voice 1: which we're really going to try to work hard this year to keep our budget in line because we all expect there to be some financial challenges coming up.

[0:16:05] Voice 1: So the board has already started to raise concerns and start saying that we're trying to really keep the budget within inflation next year to the extent possible.

[0:16:18] Voice 1: And finally, the fire department, the budget includes for next year an option or an opportunity to replace one of the apparatus.

[0:16:25] Voice 1: So the fire, our fire department has very old apparatus, fire trucks and water tankers.

[0:16:30] Voice 1: and so the budget includes the ability to buy a not quite a new one a good secondhand one is what

[0:16:37] Voice 1: we can afford in the livfd so that's actually in the in the budget and is available within that

[0:16:43] Voice 1: within the budget allocated and with that i will hand it back to the chair thank you chair

[0:16:50] Trustee Elliott: thank you director fall it's a very good report as always uh so now we come to our town hall

[0:16:56] Trustee Elliott: portion of the meeting uh this is the public's opportunity to address the local trust committee

[0:17:01] Trustee Elliott: on any item of business within the local trust committee's jurisdiction or trust council's

[0:17:06] Trustee Elliott: jurisdiction. According to the meeting procedures bylaw, persons wishing to address the local trust

[0:17:12] Trustee Elliott: committee must speak on topics that are not normally dealt with by LN's trust staff as a

[0:17:19] Trustee Elliott: matter of routine. Subjects must be brief and to the point. The order of priority in which speakers

[0:17:25] Trustee Elliott: will be heard during the duration of the public participation period, which is 15 minutes. We

[0:17:29] Trustee Elliott: have to have a vote if we want to extend it longer than 15 minutes is as follows first those addressing

[0:17:35] Trustee Elliott: items on the local trust committee agenda second those addressing items within the jurisdiction of

[0:17:41] Trustee Elliott: the local trust committee and third those addressing items within the jurisdiction of

[0:17:45] Trustee Elliott: the violence trust council persons wishing to address the local trust committee will be asked

[0:17:50] Trustee Elliott: to state their name and the topic involved and members will have three minutes to address the

[0:17:56] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee during the public participation period unless extended by

[0:18:00] Trustee Elliott: unanimous vote of the local trust committee members present

[0:18:02] Voice 4: so

[0:18:03] Trustee Elliott: in brief we ask you to direct

[0:18:06] Trustee Elliott: comments to the ltc not to the audience or staff we'll ask staff if we have a question that we need

[0:18:11] Trustee Elliott: to answer for you speak to the issue at hand and not to other individuals be clear concise and

[0:18:17] Trustee Elliott: respectful and finally this is a working place and staff have the right to a safe and respectful

[0:18:23] Trustee Elliott: for workplace so um who would like to address local trust committee one two three four okay

[0:18:33] Trustee Elliott: and i should fine sure and i should let you know that applicants have a chance to speak to their

[0:18:38] Trustee Elliott: application during that time so other members of the community if you want to speak to any item on

[0:18:44] Trustee Elliott: the agenda including an application now it's your time to do that so who has who would like to

[0:18:50] Trustee Elliott: address something on the agenda today um please go ahead and take the microphone

[0:18:59] Trustee Elliott: can you state your name please my

[0:19:05] Voice 10: name is tom wires i'm an ospd resident i i have a question

[0:19:13] Voice 10: are you organizing a series of meetings addressing the doc application so

[0:19:23] Trustee Elliott: the doc application um

[0:19:25] Trustee Elliott: um that will advance if this local trust committee decides that today

[0:19:29] Voice 10: okay uh and then i just want to

[0:19:32] Voice 10: say that i oppose the annual increase in taxes that's of course a knee jerk and then i i would

[0:19:39] Voice 10: like to address the staff report concerning conduct at the meetings and in the staff report

[0:19:46] Voice 10: it said certain individuals blah blah blah am i one of those individuals so

[0:19:53] Trustee Elliott: the staff report from

[0:19:54] Trustee Elliott: the december meeting um i can't say whether i can answer that question actually just a certain

[0:20:02] Trustee Elliott: individual okay

[0:20:03] Voice 10: then staff report that staff report by implication i think it's included me

[0:20:09] Voice 10: and it's listed a whole bunch of activities and actions that these individuals are doing

[0:20:15] Voice 10: that are detrimental to the smooth running of the meeting

[0:20:21] Voice 10: can you give me an example where i did any of those things i

[0:20:25] Trustee Elliott: cannot can

[0:20:27] Voice 10: any of the members

[0:20:28] Voice 10: of the committee give me such an example and the staff give me such an example i can't hear you

[0:20:43] Trustee Elliott: we have nothing to say well

[0:20:46] Voice 10: you can't give me an example no

[0:20:49] Trustee Elliott: one is going to be able to

[0:20:52] Trustee Elliott: reply to your question sir so

[0:20:57] Voice 10: i can conclude that i have not done any of those things

[0:21:01] Trustee Elliott: you can conclude whatever you wish well

[0:21:06] Voice 10: you're unable to tell me if i've done any of those things

[0:21:09] Voice 10: well i'm going to order

[0:21:11] Voice 13: please i think the chair has

[0:21:12] Voice 10: answered the question can you move on to

[0:21:14] Voice 10: things that are on the agenda please i just don't understand the answers thank you

[0:21:19] Voice 4: i understand

[0:21:21] Voice 10: but i don't understand it would

[0:21:24] Trustee Elliott: anybody else like to address the local trust committee on items that

[0:21:27] Trustee Elliott: are on our agenda today and then we'll move on to local trust

[0:21:30] Trustee Elliott: committee business yes please

[0:21:43] Voice 14: marty went and um i wish to address the docs issue at a previous meeting we had talked about

[0:21:51] Voice 14: having some kind of community forum since there didn't seem to be a will on the part of the trust

[0:21:57] Voice 14: to have a public hearing because this has turned out to be a big community issue and so um i mean

[0:22:06] Voice 14: initially i ignored it because i'm not a water person i'm a land person and but then i realized

[0:22:12] Voice 14: that this is an issue for everybody including our emergency evacuation in which all thousand

[0:22:18] Voice 14: people who are here in the summer are supposed to go to false bay and get on the ferry and that

[0:22:23] Voice 14: was what the regional district set out and and i've heard a number of people talking about the

[0:22:29] Voice 14: need for more private docks and um so i think it's really important that we allow the community

[0:22:35] Voice 14: community to have it say about the docs and I urge the trust to at least allow the community

[0:22:43] Voice 14: to have a meeting and discuss it among ourselves to just say no it's not part of trust policy

[0:22:50] Voice 14: I find this respectful to the community thank you thank you thank

[0:22:58] Voice 4: you

[0:23:00] Trustee Elliott: anyone else on agenda

[0:23:02] Trustee Elliott: items on our agenda today yes um

[0:23:15] Voice 8: yeah i just want to support what marty just said

[0:23:19] Voice 8: your minutes in december from your october meeting has a share of the local trust committee

[0:23:28] Voice 8: stating very clearly that there is a need for further community discussion so it's quite a

[0:23:34] Voice 8: surprise to see it on your agenda today because i thought there was a decision to have a community

[0:23:43] Voice 8: another question the expense report that and that ends february 2025 it has uh trustee expenses at

[0:23:54] Voice 8: 564.87 and the budget is 120 dollars i've never noticed a uh over expenditure on this line item

[0:24:05] Voice 8: before in the last 10 years so i'm just wondering if um trustees since you've been working on this

[0:24:11] Voice 8: you're here and these are your expenses if you could speak to that and then the last issue that

[0:24:17] Voice 8: i'd like to bring up is uh i hope you've seen the cover and the six pages in the latest edition of

[0:24:24] Voice 8: tomorrow island times that's an issue that needs to be addressed because of the fact that your

[0:24:30] Voice 8: staff reports are being you're getting reports from staff that's literally cost taxpayers

[0:24:39] Voice 8: fair thousands of dollars and it is based it appears to be based on something that is not real

[0:24:47] Voice 8: and um you know i get that you don't want to deal with it but when it's starting to cost us

[0:24:56] Voice 8: lots of money and you're starting to want to bring um security like the rcmp or commissioners to

[0:25:04] Voice 8: to these meetings and you are now shutting down public

[0:25:09] Voice 8: comment, you're going by the rules.

[0:25:13] Voice 8: And when the meeting procedures bylaw was brought up

[0:25:16] Voice 8: at the beginning of your mandate,

[0:25:19] Voice 8: I know one trustee in particular said that

[0:25:22] Voice 8: we've been very flexible and I see no reason

[0:25:25] Voice 8: to not continue to be flexible.

[0:25:26] Voice 8: Do

[0:25:26] Voice 4: you have one minute left, sir?

[0:25:27] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:25:28] Voice 8: and so this non-issue or not real issue or at least is your reason to shut down and not

[0:25:39] Voice 8: be lenient like you've been and I just don't think that really serves the interests of this

[0:25:46] Voice 8: community or of this committee actually so hopefully you can address both of those issues

[0:25:52] Voice 8: thank you anyone

[0:25:58] Trustee Elliott: else for items on this agenda and if not we'll move to local trust committee

[0:26:03] Trustee Elliott: business or trust council business in general yes and

[0:26:12] Voice 7: just state your name okay it's shauna

[0:26:13] Voice 7: and i don't know where my topic fits in um but um it's just i want to appreciate you guys like

[0:26:23] Voice 7: Like, I feel like you're all, like, really well-intentioned and doing the best you can, and I feel like you're doing a good job.

[0:26:32] Voice 7: And, you know, and I know that, you know, I've learned that, well, and observed that, especially you two women, are getting a lot of negativity projected to you.

[0:26:51] Voice 7: and anyway i just like really appreciate what you're doing and and um and i don't like that

[0:27:03] Voice 7: that's happening okay thank you for the comments

[0:27:15] Trustee Elliott: we appreciate you right back i have to say that um coming here on saturday for that mural

[0:27:21] Trustee Elliott: and bailing was uh the most meaningful and and i shouldn't interrupt this is your time but

[0:27:27] Trustee Elliott: um it really showed me what this community is made of and you are amazing wonderful people so

[0:27:33] Trustee Elliott: thank you for all the the care um yes i should say there is no clapping or booing thank you for

[0:27:41] Trustee Elliott: their mind and trust in that peterson uh we want to make this an objective and neutral space so

[0:27:46] Trustee Elliott: So we don't want to share support or disapproval of anybody through that.

[0:27:51] Trustee Elliott: But thanks for the reminder.

[0:27:52] Trustee Elliott: Anybody else on the Local Trust Committee business or Islands Trust Council business?

[0:27:57] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, please go ahead.

[0:27:59] Trustee Elliott: Could you grab the microphone just to make sure everyone's heard?

[0:28:07] Trustee Elliott: My name is Jody Ayers, a local Whiskey resident.

[0:28:11] Trustee Elliott: resident and I just want

[0:28:14] Voice 14: to show I want to express my support for the efforts of the trustees and

[0:28:19] the trust staff because I think you guys do a do a very good job and it's a challenging thing I know

[0:28:26] and

[0:28:27] Trustee Elliott: I think you really do as well as anybody could for sure okay thanks that's all I appreciate

[0:28:37] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:28:39] Trustee Elliott: Anyone else? Calling another time for speakers in our town hall.

[0:28:48] Trustee Elliott: It shouldn't be a second town hall. Okay. So nothing on the applications or anything else?

[0:28:59] Trustee Elliott: Yes. I just had a

[0:29:00] Voice 14: question. Andrew Paul was mentioning that, wait, was it Andrew Paul?

[0:29:08] Voice 14: yeah

[0:29:08] Trustee Elliott: could you grab the microphone just it's okay okay

[0:29:11] Trustee Elliott: sure just state your name please

[0:29:14] Trustee Elliott: annalee brockwoods okay um so been living on the ski for six years now

[0:29:18] Voice 14: and um uh i don't know if

[0:29:22] Voice 14: this is the time to ask this question or if anyone will have the answer to it but uh they were

[0:29:27] Voice 14: mentioning that uh there's been funding uh for a new fire truck here on the island and is someone

[0:29:34] Voice 14: that has worked mostly urban interface, fires and areas

[0:29:42] Trustee Elliott: like that. Looking at the

[0:29:43] Trustee Elliott: trucks that we have on the ski and our emergency vehicle, our EMU, they look

[0:29:49] Trustee Elliott: like things that belong in the city and they have difficulty making it to some

[0:29:53] Trustee Elliott: of our more outlying houses. When Tom's neighbor's house burned down, I am

[0:30:03] Voice 5: So I

[0:30:04] Trustee Elliott: was wondering if one of the considerations with future vehicles, and I don't know if this is under your purview because I'm kind of new to this.

[0:30:11] Trustee Elliott: But we

[0:30:11] Trustee Elliott: can see Director Fall has come online, so

[0:30:14] Voice 14: she may be able to

[0:30:15] Trustee Elliott: answer your question.

[0:30:15] Voice 14: Yeah,

[0:30:16] Trustee Elliott: it's not

[0:30:16] Voice 14: one of the things that they're going to consider because, you know, usually when you're looking at something that has to deal with this kind of terrain,

[0:30:22] Voice 14: um we have things that look like someone's really jacked up four by four with a tanker on the back

[0:30:29] Voice 14: that's actually meant to make it or you know we have uh emergency medical units that you know are

[0:30:37] Voice 14: mud and alternate terrain capable yep

[0:30:41] Trustee Elliott: okay so director fall uh do you have i think i

[0:30:45] Voice 1: got i got

[0:30:46] Voice 1: the gist of that basically what i would suggest and those are very good comments and they should

[0:30:51] Voice 1: Should they be considered? Absolutely. I believe they should.

[0:30:53] Voice 1: The decision of what vehicle to actually purchase is primarily a decision of the fire chief.

[0:31:00] Voice 1: And so what I would actually suggest is that you contact Chief Carlson.

[0:31:04] Voice 1: He's very approachable and he, you know, finding these vehicles and locating vehicles is a lot of work and fire chiefs are very busy.

[0:31:12] Voice 1: So when this came up at a town hall, you know, I presented this and we talked about it last December.

[0:31:19] Voice 1: the fire chief is open to ideas especially if it's ideas that lead to help not just here's an

[0:31:25] Voice 1: idea for more work for you but if you were to reach out to the fire chief and maybe you know

[0:31:30] Voice 1: provide your your comments to them that would be really helpful if you follow up with me I can give

[0:31:35] Voice 1: you his email if you don't have it and

[0:31:37] Voice 4: then so

[0:31:38] Voice 1: you have it and so he's open to that and I think

[0:31:40] Voice 1: hearing that would be good because I think having encouragement for vehicles that are suitable for

[0:31:46] Voice 1: the terrain on the ski is absolutely appropriate thank you for for uh asking thank

[0:31:52] Trustee Elliott: you thank you

[0:31:54] Trustee Elliott: okay any more comments for town hall all right we will consider town hall closed and move on

[0:32:01] Trustee Elliott: to the rest of our agenda so we've got minutes three sets of minutes for adoption uh approval

[0:32:08] Trustee Elliott: and adoption minutes of december 16th 2024 electricity any any problems or changes to those

[0:32:16] Trustee Elliott: minutes number 16 2024 not all taken by general consent but the minutes of december 16 2025 rather

[0:32:24] Trustee Elliott: no 2024 be adopted uh we've got local just committee minutes of february 10th 2025 for

[0:32:32] Trustee Elliott: adoption any changes there i thought they were excellent nope i'll take it by general consent

[0:32:39] Trustee Elliott: consent of the minutes of February 10, 2025 be adopted. And one more set. We've got a

[0:32:51] Trustee Elliott: receipt of the public hearing record for February 10, 2025 in our agenda. The minutes of special

[0:32:58] Trustee Elliott: meeting minutes dated February 27, 2025 for adoption. Any changes there? Take it by general

[0:33:07] Trustee Elliott: consent of the minutes of february 27 2025 be adopted okay so business arising from the minutes

[0:33:13] Trustee Elliott: 7.1 we've got a follow-up action list uh if staff have any updates for us or trustees have

[0:33:18] Trustee Elliott: any questions uh now is the time for that page 35 of your agenda yeah

[0:33:28] Voice 13: i just wanted to mention

[0:33:30] Voice 13: um under december 16th section on page 36 there's two items relating to crown land uh

[0:33:40] Voice 13: lease referrals that are both in progress and also noting that we have um

[0:33:50] Voice 13: corresponds item 11.1 uh is also regarding the land tenure uh application for a crown line file

[0:34:00] Voice 13: so um the genesis is now showing the you know the reality like when i asked for this uh first

[0:34:10] Voice 13: staff to pay attention to this it's because I anticipated we would get

[0:34:14] Voice 13: questions like this and so when we get to that section of correspondence I'll

[0:34:18] Voice 13: probably ask for some staff

[0:34:20] Voice 11: action.

[0:34:25] Trustee Elliott: Okay so we'll follow up when we get to that

[0:34:29] Trustee Elliott: correspondence. Okay, looking at any other questions. Staff anything? No, follow-up questions?

[0:34:42] Trustee Elliott: that's all

[0:34:42] Voice 6: right okay

[0:34:44] Trustee Elliott: so we will go to our applications and referral section 9.1

[0:34:51] Trustee Elliott: we've got a rezoning from 2023.1 carry so page 38 of our agenda and stop it proceeds with your report

[0:35:10] Voice 5: so

[0:35:17] Voice 9: this report introduces draft bylaw number 103

[0:35:20] Voice 9: three for the committee consideration of first reading uh the draft bylaw would permit the

[0:35:27] Voice 9: existing dock in its present location in scotty bay um the draft bylaw would also amend uh the

[0:35:33] Voice 9: word existing wording uh in the m2 zone to clarify that a dock permitted through general permission

[0:35:39] Voice 9: uh would would be permitted if it's not located in a license of occupation from the province

[0:35:45] Voice 9: and the draft by-law also proposes to correct an error in the existing by-law where the regulations

[0:35:52] Voice 9: is just located in that it's kind of hidden in a section that's a list of permitted docs

[0:36:00] instead of being under the regulations heading. The staff are also tasked with director's only

[0:36:09] checklist based on the

[0:36:10] Voice 9: Islands Trust Policy Statement Directive Policies and

[0:36:14] Voice 9: staff are recommending that the LTC not proceed further with this application

[0:36:17] Voice 9: because it's not supported by OCP policies or the policy statement is

[0:36:34] Voice 4: the

[0:36:35] Trustee Elliott: applicant here today or anybody

[0:36:38] Voice 4: representing the applicant? I don't see

[0:36:41] Trustee Elliott: anyone online. Normally the applicant would have a chance to speak to their

[0:36:50] Trustee Elliott: application and answer questions we've had lots of discussion on that

[0:36:54] Trustee Elliott: um discussion from the public is not going to be considered at this time we

[0:37:00] Voice 10: are sure i i have

[0:37:01] Voice 10: no

[0:37:01] Trustee Elliott: i'm sorry we do not have the

[0:37:04] Voice 10: opportunity to hear from you okay

[0:37:07] Trustee Elliott: so the purpose of this report

[0:37:10] Trustee Elliott: is to either advance this draft by law to first reading at which point there would be a public

[0:37:18] Trustee Elliott: process to consider it that is the opportunity for the public forum uh that was discussed and

[0:37:24] Trustee Elliott: And so the last two meetings ago, the LTC gave direction to develop the draft by-law

[0:37:30] Trustee Elliott: so that it could proceed to first reading and referrals.

[0:37:35] Trustee Elliott: However, staff come back with advice, as they must, that here are the considerations

[0:37:40] Trustee Elliott: that you must respond to as an LTC.

[0:37:46] Trustee Elliott: One of them is that for this to proceed, we would have to explain how it is supported

[0:37:53] Trustee Elliott: by the Islands Trust Policy Statement and it is supported by the OCP so this

[0:38:00] Trustee Elliott: LTC today would have to have a discussion and make a decision why this

[0:38:05] Trustee Elliott: draft bylaw is supported by the Official Community Plan and the Islands Trust

[0:38:10] Trustee Elliott: Policy Statement we need to make that argument in order for it to proceed to

[0:38:14] Trustee Elliott: first reading so that is a task for us if we want it to continue the second

[0:38:22] Trustee Elliott: The second issue is that by giving the bylaw first reading, it would then send the bylaw for referral to First Nations, so all First Nations with interests and rights and title in this Lispiti Local Trust area would then have an opportunity to comment.

[0:38:39] Trustee Elliott: I'll have some comments on that process a little bit later. We've had a lot of comments from the community.

[0:38:46] Trustee Elliott: community. So far, we've had many, many letters, we've had many speakers at previous town halls and in email submissions. And there's been support both for supporting and opposing the application. So those comments, many of them speak to broad issues about docs, that this bylaw is related to one specific issue of a single private doc, and whether it is supported by the official community plan.

[0:39:18] Trustee Elliott: So, trustees, I'm going to turn it to you first. Do you have comments or questions?

[0:39:29] Voice 13: Yeah, I'll start with a couple of comments.

[0:39:34] Voice 13: Certainly, I mean, we heard in the town hall today, and my preference stated at the previous meeting was to bring this through first reading to trigger the public hearing community information process.

[0:39:49] Voice 13: process uh i'll just sort of tangentially note that i did get a message from the uh the lead on

[0:39:58] Voice 13: the lca um community forum uh committee uh asking about setting up community forum to discuss what

[0:40:08] Voice 13: you know the the social community benefits that are talked about in the ocp and what those might

[0:40:14] Voice 13: be in a case like this um they were not able to put that together in time for before this meeting

[0:40:23] Voice 13: i'm still leaning towards the public process especially because this is kind of pretentious

[0:40:29] Voice 13: um and when i looked at the policy statement directives i guess the the ones that are marked

[0:40:39] Voice 13: off as non-compliant to me are a little bit subjective and this is where the gray area

[0:40:46] Voice 13: sort of comes in um the first one is a local trust committee should address the planning

[0:40:55] Voice 13: for and regulation of development in coastal regions to protect natural coastal processes

[0:41:00] Voice 13: so address the planning for and regulation of development um i think that is that is

[0:41:10] Voice 13: addressed in the community plan and the bylaws say we may permit a private dock so i don't see

[0:41:16] Voice 13: that one as being directly in opposition to this proposal um similarly the views scenic areas and

[0:41:27] Voice 13: distinctive features again some subjectivity there and aesthetic environmental social impacts

[0:41:39] Voice 13: Again, obviously there's things that we have requested for this application in terms of

[0:41:45] Voice 13: what social benefit might be or social impacts that have not been fulfilled to my personal

[0:41:52] Voice 13: satisfaction and from what I've heard from other members of the community, that that

[0:41:59] hasn't gotten to a place where there's, you

[0:42:02] Voice 13: know, broad support that there might, or broader

[0:42:05] Voice 13: support than there might be.

[0:42:06] Voice 13: um so those are a couple of my considerations at this point and i'll pass it back to the chair

[0:42:13] Voice 4: thank you just

[0:42:15] Trustee Elliott: do the learning thoughts

[0:42:16] Voice 4: on this i

[0:42:19] Trustee Elliott: do i echo what tim has had to say there is a lot

[0:42:21] Trustee Elliott: of division and different opinions and i think um listening to the loudest that we've kind of

[0:42:27] Trustee Elliott: heard is not necessarily a good reflection of what's actually on people's minds i've heard

[0:42:35] Trustee Elliott: lots of concerns about you know about not just the bylaw but also you know why are we doing

[0:42:42] Trustee Elliott: why are we approving bylaws that have been ignored and I know there's some there's a lot of it's

[0:42:47] Trustee Elliott: complicated for everybody and there's lots of feelings and opinions and thoughts and I don't

[0:42:51] Trustee Elliott: really see that I can make a decision at this point with the community as if it's everybody's so

[0:42:59] Trustee Elliott: it's it's still too unclear of where everybody's at with that and I would look forward to some more

[0:43:05] Trustee Elliott: or rigorous discussion amongst the community

[0:43:07] Trustee Elliott: and possibly a little bit more of a official way

[0:43:09] Trustee Elliott: instead of just hearing.

[0:43:12] Trustee Elliott: I mean, it's great.

[0:43:12] Trustee Elliott: As much as I do love getting emails from people

[0:43:14] Trustee Elliott: and hearing people's opinions,

[0:43:15] Trustee Elliott: it's not a broad enough representation.

[0:43:25] Voice 4: Could

[0:43:26] Voice 8: I ask a procedural question?

[0:43:31] Trustee Elliott: Unfortunately, no.

[0:43:34] Trustee Elliott: How, yeah, at this point we're involved

[0:43:37] Trustee Elliott: in discussing the application.

[0:43:39] Trustee Elliott: So, I can clarify the procedure if it went forward today, if, so the staff is recommending do not proceed with the application, because it's contrary to the OCP and can't be supported by the policy statement.

[0:43:53] Trustee Elliott: If it does go forward and this LTC decides to advance the application to first reading, that triggers all the referrals to First Nations and other agencies, including Cathay Regional District, and would start a community process.

[0:44:07] Trustee Elliott: So that is the formal process. There was conversation about an informal forum, which I believe Trustee Peterson was talking about, but that is not a formal process for the LTC to hear, and ultimately we are the decision makers, so we need to hear all that information in a structured process.

[0:44:26] Trustee Elliott: process so that's that is the public process and then something let's say just also that as you

[0:44:33] Trustee Elliott: know this is government stuff and policy stuff is so cut and dried but we all know that it's not as

[0:44:39] Trustee Elliott: simple and as black and white as we're reading in an agenda or as our planners make it out to be as

[0:44:45] Trustee Elliott: you know they're it's on islands and small communities it's always a little more complex

[0:44:50] Trustee Elliott: than we think there's a lot more going on as i know we've seen in our last public hearings so

[0:44:57] Trustee Elliott: that's why i just i mean our ocp is against it our lub is against it in written practice

[0:45:05] Trustee Elliott: but i think we we need to look into this more

[0:45:08] Voice 4: for

[0:45:10] Trustee Elliott: what's actually happening on the ground

[0:45:13] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[0:45:15] Voice 13: a question for staff um should the ltc decide to um give first reading i i believe

[0:45:27] Voice 13: at a previous meeting um the discussion was around uh triggering community information

[0:45:33] Voice 13: meeting and public hearing that that could be done after first reading um that would be

[0:45:41] Voice 13: a large part of why i would consider the first reading at this this point um so to have that

[0:45:48] Voice 13: public interface that is officially part of the local trust committee's work um so would that re

[0:45:56] Voice 13: would staff need an additional motion assuming that we we went with the alternative here would

[0:46:02] Voice 13: staff need an additional motion from the ltc to to um enact uh scheduling a public hearing and

[0:46:09] Voice 13: information yes

[0:46:12] Voice 9: um so the that is a um so a public hearing must take place between first

[0:46:21] Voice 9: and third reading so often we've done it after a second reading so the typical

[0:46:27] Voice 9: island stress process is that we would send referrals out after first reading

[0:46:31] Voice 9: you would receive those make any amendments that you wish to and then

[0:46:36] Voice 9: schedule a public hearing what you could do if you would like to hear have a

[0:46:42] Voice 9: public hearing earlier is is to your first reading and and schedule a public

[0:46:49] Voice 9: the hearing um and you could you could also send referrals out at that time as well uh and then

[0:46:55] Voice 9: kind of have that meeting what how we do it but but could have that all that input essentially

[0:47:01] Voice 9: kind of comment once um

[0:47:03] Voice 6: then

[0:47:04] Voice 9: you consider your second reading third reading

[0:47:07] Voice 6: thank

[0:47:08] Trustee Elliott: you so

[0:47:13] Trustee Elliott: it was through the staff report thank you um planner that i really became aware of the value

[0:47:20] Trustee Elliott: of our of the public process that is enshrined in the local government act and that public process

[0:47:28] Trustee Elliott: as you stated you know first between first and third readings that everyone who feels that their

[0:47:34] Trustee Elliott: interests might be impacted by the change in that proposed bylaw has a chance to comment

[0:47:40] Trustee Elliott: and they have a chance to comment before the bylaw is adopted so that is a really important

[0:47:47] Trustee Elliott: important part of the process, and I would argue it's one of the things that the Islands Trust

[0:47:53] Trustee Elliott: does fairly well. We may be slow, it may take forever to get through a process, but that is

[0:48:00] Trustee Elliott: because we must make our decisions in consultation and in cooperation with everyone with whom we

[0:48:08] Trustee Elliott: must work. So land use planning is not an isolated activity, it is done in concert with other

[0:48:13] Trustee Elliott: agencies in particular First Nations and this is where my views have changed on

[0:48:19] Trustee Elliott: this application because if this process had followed the procedure that is in

[0:48:29] Trustee Elliott: place for developing a bylaw you would make an application first and say I

[0:48:34] Trustee Elliott: would like to do this you know this piece of land I'm going to apply for a

[0:48:38] Trustee Elliott: rezoning then the draft bylaw would be written up as we're seeing today and it

[0:48:43] Trustee Elliott: would be referred out to everyone including First Nations and then we get those comments and

[0:48:48] Trustee Elliott: consider it going is this in the public interest does this benefit the community are First Nations

[0:48:53] Trustee Elliott: supportive of it will the impacts to the environment be mitigated all of those questions

[0:49:00] Trustee Elliott: that's when you give the information that is needed to finalize that bylaw and it can change

[0:49:07] Trustee Elliott: through that process what we have before us today is something that has already been done

[0:49:15] Trustee Elliott: the dock is constructed to some the bay is cleaned up there is a lot of environmental cleanup that

[0:49:21] Trustee Elliott: happened there's a lot of people speaking to how um how much better it looks now we've seen it

[0:49:26] Trustee Elliott: ourselves but what hadn't happened is consultation with first nations before the dock was built

[0:49:33] Trustee Elliott: And so as Islands Trust has been working to improve relationships and communication with First Nations in whose territories we're making decisions in, we have been asked to do longer referral processes, give them more time for feedback and comment.

[0:49:51] Trustee Elliott: so when I consider whether this dock is in the interest of the public and supported by community

[0:49:56] Trustee Elliott: OCP policies for environmental and social good I must also consider is this in the interest of

[0:50:04] Trustee Elliott: First Nations have they been asked whether this is okay there's no place in the islands that is

[0:50:13] Trustee Elliott: more important than the foreshore to many coastal First Nations this is where they harvested food

[0:50:19] Trustee Elliott: And as we heard at the mural unveiling, all of these bays were occupied for many thousands

[0:50:26] Trustee Elliott: of years by Indigenous peoples, and they have a right to speak to the potential impacts

[0:50:34] Trustee Elliott: of us putting infrastructure in those bays.

[0:50:37] Trustee Elliott: So I don't think this process has honoured the interests of First Nations in this territory.

[0:50:44] Trustee Elliott: The referral process is structured the way it is for a reason.

[0:50:47] Trustee Elliott: it should be done before we build our structures and for that reason I cannot support this going

[0:50:55] Trustee Elliott: forward it is not supported by the official community plan it did not go through a process

[0:51:01] Trustee Elliott: to understand how it might impact the interests of Kuala Lumpur and Senegal's First Nations in

[0:51:07] Trustee Elliott: particular and it has not demonstrated that it's going to secure social good by being a community

[0:51:14] Trustee Elliott: community doc there is simply no way to make this a community doc and ensure that it is a benefit to

[0:51:20] Trustee Elliott: the community so for that reason I can't support it going forward but um there's two of the local

[0:51:26] Trustee Elliott: trustees and we may end up voting otherwise I haven't digested

[0:51:36] Voice 5: thank you so

[0:51:51] Trustee Elliott: what you bring up

[0:51:52] Trustee Elliott: Chair, is really the importance of consulting everybody, consulting the community, First Nations, biologists for what's going on in the foreshore.

[0:52:09] Trustee Elliott: But without that consultation, we have First Nations, the community, we've all been robbed of the ability to do that.

[0:52:18] Trustee Elliott: at this point it's it's too late it's already being done and i definitely heard that echoed

[0:52:22] Trustee Elliott: from a lot of community members that it wasn't so much that there's it's built that there was no

[0:52:27] Trustee Elliott: chance for us to say oh we're not sure give us a minute so and further i i would just

[0:52:39] Trustee Elliott: because we're consulting with first nations on our ocp review that has slowed down because we

[0:52:47] Trustee Elliott: haven't been able to hear back this is we asked them so many times can you can you please give

[0:52:52] Trustee Elliott: comment and to me it's kind of an insult to say can you please comment on something that's already

[0:52:58] Trustee Elliott: done it's just is it really a request for um them to express their concerns or is it just asking

[0:53:09] Trustee Elliott: for forgiveness after we've done something so that's i just don't find it respectful but it's

[0:53:15] Trustee Elliott: this is really tough because there's a lot of blesses to the doc as well um but again

[0:53:22] Trustee Elliott: had it gone through the public process um we could have talked about all of those things

[0:53:28] Trustee Elliott: and had all the information together so

[0:53:35] Voice 6: i want

[0:53:57] Voice 13: to thank the chair for your comments

[0:53:59] i appreciate what you're saying there um and not that i disagree but i have heard

[0:54:08] Voice 13: in the community that there's a desire to have a more public process

[0:54:13] Voice 13: and um for this local trust committee the way that i see that happening is to give a first reading

[0:54:21] Voice 13: and to uh and to direct staff to proceed with community information meeting and public hearing

[0:54:29] Voice 13: so that we have an official trust committee process to go through um just remind everyone

[0:54:36] Voice 13: when that first reading does not uh presuppose the final outcome of any application their second and

[0:54:43] Voice 13: third reading and adoption and so any of those points um there can be reconsideration of whether

[0:54:49] Voice 13: things proceed so given that context i'm more comfortable proceeding with first reading today

[0:54:56] Voice 13: to trigger those public processes than any of the other alternatives that

[0:55:08] Voice 13: i'll just say that and i am ready to make a motion uh when uh when it's appropriate okay

[0:55:16] Trustee Elliott: um i would ask that when you're making your motion be prepared to address how the

[0:55:23] Trustee Elliott: proposed bylaw is uh not contrary to our variance with the policy statement you have said that it's

[0:55:30] Trustee Elliott: a question of interpretation and you don't agree and stuff so perfect if you want to go ahead

[0:55:43] Voice 13: okay well so it entails several motions so we'll have to see how they go before i get

[0:55:47] Voice 13: too in-depth on the others uh the first one would be i move that the lusketeer i'm the

[0:55:52] Voice 13: local trust committee bylaw number 103 cited as lusketeer island land use bylaw number 78 2005

[0:55:58] Voice 13: amendment number one 2024 we read the first time that

[0:56:05] Trustee Elliott: is moved uh do i have a seconder

[0:56:09] Trustee Elliott: seconded by the trustee of the roaming he was just speaking to the motion i

[0:56:13] Voice 13: i think i said what

[0:56:14] Voice 13: i need to say okay

[0:56:16] Trustee Elliott: uh i will not be voting in favor it's

[0:56:23] Voice 5: not easy i

[0:56:36] Trustee Elliott: do see that a lot of it

[0:56:37] Trustee Elliott: is interpretation there's also parts that aren't and i was wondering if um trustee peterson would

[0:56:43] Trustee Elliott: like to speak to those groups there's a lot there so okay

[0:57:01] Voice 13: well i see three that are identified here

[0:57:03] Voice 13: as not consistent uh first being local trust committees and island municipalities show and

[0:57:10] Voice 13: their official committee plans and regulatory bylaws address the planning for and regulation

[0:57:14] Voice 13: of development coastal regions to protect natural coastal processes um i don't see how this

[0:57:26] Voice 13: particular policy is directly contravened by this application it speaks to community plans where the

[0:57:34] Voice 13: um the community plan clearly states that private dogs may be approved and therefore

[0:57:41] Voice 13: i i don't see how this is in direct conflict with that uh the second one is 5.1.3

[0:57:51] Voice 13: and which reads local trust communities and island municipalities shall on their official

[0:57:56] Voice 13: community plans and regulatory bylaws address the protection of views scenic areas and distinctive

[0:58:01] Voice 13: distinctive features contributing to the ogler all visual quality and scenic value of the trust

[0:58:08] Voice 13: area um i think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the protection of view scenic areas and

[0:58:20] Voice 13: distinctive features is directly challenged by this application um and that i think those again

[0:58:32] Voice 13: this goes back to the official community plan and the regulatory regulatory bylaws and i don't see a

[0:58:38] Voice 13: direct um the direct opposition there i think one could say that they don't like the look of the doc

[0:58:45] Voice 13: but how does that specifically negate addressing these items in the in the community plan and

[0:58:56] Voice 13: in bylaw and then similarly 5.2.3 uh local trust committees and other municipalities shallow their

[0:59:03] Voice 13: official community plans regulatory bylaws address policies related to aesthetic environmental and

[0:59:08] Voice 13: social impacts of development now to me um the last bit of that the social impacts part of this

[0:59:17] Voice 13: is a bit of an open question and should this motion advance i have uh uh my i prepared a motion to

[0:59:28] um request that the applicant uh do some more work

[0:59:32] Voice 13: to uh address that aspect of this application

[0:59:35] Voice 13: because i don't i i do agree that it's that's not was not fully fleshed out i think my satisfaction

[0:59:40] Voice 13: is that of a number of people i've heard again that was the uh not that it's our process but

[0:59:47] Voice 13: But that was the focus of the LCA community forum person that got in touch with me.

[0:59:52] Voice 13: That's what they wanted to have a forum about.

[0:59:56] And so that's probably

[0:59:58] Voice 13: the only one that I guess is a little bit.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: grade to me i don't see that as a barrier to giving first reading and opening up the process

[1:00:11] Trustee Elliott: so i think my interpretation of how this is support supported by the policy statement is a

[1:00:18] Trustee Elliott: little different because the relationship is does the community ocp policies um are they upheld

[1:00:28] Trustee Elliott: sorry policy statement directs certain things to be um in our community ocps and those policies

[1:00:36] Trustee Elliott: are then what um the values that are captured in the community those are captured in bylaws

[1:00:44] Trustee Elliott: that must be consistent with the ocp policies and then the policy statement so policy

[1:00:49] Trustee Elliott: policy five point sorry ITPS policy five point which one was it it's not going to

[1:00:58] Voice 4: OCP one here

[1:01:06] Trustee Elliott: the growth and development so the aesthetic environmental and social impacts of development

[1:01:12] Trustee Elliott: 5.2.3 is related to OCP policy 3.8, 16 is still to be determined, but particularly policy

[1:01:28] Trustee Elliott: 12.

[1:01:30] Trustee Elliott: So, OCP policy 12 designation and regulation of the foreshore and marine coastal areas

[1:01:34] Trustee Elliott: should be designed to preserve and protect the natural environment and character and

[1:01:38] Trustee Elliott: should recognize the need to dedicate areas of the foreshore for the following purposes,

[1:01:42] Trustee Elliott: to provide for access, to protect existing mariculture uses, to encourage low impact public uses on and along the foreshore.

[1:01:50] Trustee Elliott: So it goes on and on and on. And it just, to me, that policy 12 is not supported by this bylaw because it was not listed as one of the 10 locations in the M2 zone where a private dock could be developed.

[1:02:05] Trustee Elliott: and we have no certainty that there's going to be that there was an environmental

[1:02:13] Trustee Elliott: that the natural environment was protected through the building of this dock it's already been done

[1:02:19] Trustee Elliott: so to me the the contravention of the policy statement is through whether it's upheld in

[1:02:26] Trustee Elliott: your ocp policies and i think it's pretty clear policies that it does not comply with

[1:02:35] Trustee Elliott: I'll look to staff is that is there anything else that I'm misinterpreting that

[1:02:40] Voice 9: well I'll just I can

[1:02:42] Voice 9: point out I guess that in the staff report where we provided that analysis and related those islands

[1:02:50] Voice 9: trust policy statement policies to specific OCP policies yeah

[1:02:56] Voice 4: I

[1:02:57] Voice 9: maybe just if I

[1:02:58] Voice 4: if I just

[1:02:59] Voice 9: just noticed the applicants have arrived so I don't know if there's a just so you're aware

[1:03:06] Trustee Elliott: do you want to hear from the applicant we've already um heard a lot we're

[1:03:11] Voice 13: giving them an opportunity if

[1:03:12] Voice 11: you'd like yeah

[1:03:13] Trustee Elliott: uh do you wish to speak to the application

[1:03:15] Trustee Elliott: Mr. Perry I

[1:03:17] Voice 11: think we uh we got here a little late I'm not sure what what was said so we

[1:03:23] Trustee Elliott: we're debating a motion to to advance it uh at the moment Trustee Peterson

[1:03:29] Trustee Elliott: and move the alternative the

[1:03:33] Voice 11: only thing i could say that i did hear as i walked in is i did hear

[1:03:37] Voice 11: you mentioned that we don't have any information saying that it was uh done with the environment

[1:03:47] Voice 11: for lack of i didn't hear your term exactly

[1:03:50] Voice 4: i

[1:03:51] Voice 11: was just walking in um in the application

[1:03:53] Voice 11: prior to any installation, trying to get application, before any works were done, anything was done,

[1:04:02] Voice 4: and

[1:04:02] Voice 11: in the application there is a full report submitted by one of the most prestigious biologists

[1:04:09] Voice 11: on the coast that does most of the dock work, and they supervise the entire construction

[1:04:14] Voice 11: process, every material, pre-construction and during and after.

[1:04:18] Voice 4: So, we

[1:04:21] Voice 11: did our very best to understand the wording of the environment and that I wouldn't

[1:04:29] Voice 11: know what a person could do more than

[1:04:31] Voice 4: hire

[1:04:32] Voice 11: an engineer from start to finish

[1:04:33] Voice 4: and

[1:04:35] Voice 11: submit

[1:04:36] Voice 11: their entire sealed report, which has been submitted.

[1:04:41] Voice 11: I'm not sure what could be done there.

[1:04:43] Voice 11: We

[1:04:44] Trustee Elliott: have the Aquaparian Environmental Consulting Report from November 10th, 2020.

[1:04:51] Trustee Elliott: And

[1:04:53] Voice 11: that wasn't after there was any issues or whatever.

[1:04:56] Voice 11: That was literally from conception through design and the whole process.

[1:05:05] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for that information.

[1:05:08] Trustee Elliott: So is there any more debate on the motion?

[1:05:13] Trustee Elliott: Questions for staff?

[1:05:16] Voice 5: Call for the vote.

[1:05:35] Trustee Elliott: I need a minute yeah

[1:05:37] Trustee Elliott: there's just so much to digest here we're gonna

[1:05:39] Trustee Elliott: recess uh let's recess

[1:05:41] Trustee Elliott: for 10 minutes we'll return at 12 um 16 and uh give trustees a chance to collect their thoughts

[1:05:55] Voice 5: that was a lot of cussing I am so sorry we were muted the entire time

[1:27:40] Trustee Elliott: it'll be on the recording

[1:27:44] Trustee Elliott: recording okay apologies to those of you watching the live stream um that was all muted but the

[1:27:54] Trustee Elliott: recording will reflect the conversation thus far i apologize i'm trying not to beat the proverbial

[1:28:05] Trustee Elliott: dead horse they don't beat horses no i mean

[1:28:09] Trustee Elliott: go ahead okay

[1:28:14] Voice 4: so

[1:28:19] Trustee Elliott: we're all big on public engagement

[1:28:22] Trustee Elliott: now but there was no public engagement and what just as you said about this policy 15

[1:28:27] Trustee Elliott: that would have been debated that whole way this is set up is that you need to apply

[1:28:32] Trustee Elliott: and it could be all public discussion and comment and that's just the island was kind of brought

[1:28:36] Trustee Elliott: with that opportunity i hate to mention precedence but why we this is very important if like why do

[1:28:51] Trustee Elliott: we have bylaws if we're not going to enforce them why as a community we need to get rid of them if

[1:28:56] Trustee Elliott: we are going to enforce them and i know it is a complaints driven process so is it our popularity

[1:29:04] Trustee Elliott: that means we can have our bylaws passed or not or noticed i just want it to be equal for everybody

[1:29:10] Trustee Elliott: it doesn't matter if you have money or don't have money if i like you or don't like you or the trust

[1:29:14] Trustee Elliott: committee it doesn't matter it's our bylaws should apply to everybody equally i think yeah we just

[1:29:27] Trustee Elliott: because of not applying for this of not having to do process it was this is not an equal or fair

[1:29:34] Trustee Elliott: fair process. Even if we do involve the rest of the community in discussions, it's not

[1:29:39] Trustee Elliott: money for there.

[1:29:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay. I think we've had enough discussion.

[1:29:47] Trustee Elliott: Nothing else? Okay. So I'm calling for the vote

[1:29:50] Trustee Elliott: advanced on the motion that the

[1:29:55] Trustee Elliott: bylaw number 103 be read a first time. So all those in favor?

[1:30:02] Trustee Elliott: and those opposed

[1:30:03] Voice 5: okay that is defeated so

[1:30:12] Trustee Elliott: i am going to move the philosophy of local trust

[1:30:16] Trustee Elliott: committee proceed no further with land use bylaw amendment application larc 2023.1 do i have a

[1:30:25] Trustee Elliott: seconder second number trustee laroni uh so any discussion on the motion um as i stated before

[1:30:35] Trustee Elliott: before you came into the room, my primary,

[1:30:39] Trustee Elliott: my sense is that this application at this point

[1:30:44] Trustee Elliott: after the construction of the dock

[1:30:45] Trustee Elliott: is disrespectful to the process

[1:30:47] Trustee Elliott: that we have set up for referrals,

[1:30:49] Trustee Elliott: particularly with First Nations.

[1:30:51] Trustee Elliott: Their opportunity to comment early in a process

[1:30:54] Trustee Elliott: in a development of a bylaw that would,

[1:30:57] Trustee Elliott: that especially that has to do with foreshore,

[1:31:01] Trustee Elliott: that is the respectful time to ask

[1:31:03] Trustee Elliott: how their interests would be impacted and because we've skipped over that process asking for

[1:31:12] Trustee Elliott: permission after something is built I feel is disrespectful and it isn't supported by the

[1:31:18] Trustee Elliott: official community plan policy so that was the reason that I had given for not being able to

[1:31:23] Trustee Elliott: proceed with this rezoning it's the process is here for a reason and the Islands Trust has a

[1:31:30] Trustee Elliott: duty to consult with all agencies that we work in cooperation with it is not just our community

[1:31:38] Trustee Elliott: i would like to basically echo exactly what toby said but instead of first nations or as well as

[1:31:42] Trustee Elliott: first nations i would like to say the community is disrespectful to the community it was disrespectful

[1:31:47] Trustee Elliott: to all of us who follow procedures and follow our bylaws and it's asking you know begging

[1:31:55] Trustee Elliott: forgiveness is not is not respectful we all spend a lot of time making sure that we have a fair

[1:32:02] Trustee Elliott: democratic process and this was um neither of those things so a call for the votes always in

[1:32:12] Trustee Elliott: favor and any opposed that is carried thank you and i'm sorry this i know this is not the outcome

[1:32:24] Trustee Elliott: that you'd hope for today and to those in the community who were looking for a community

[1:32:30] Trustee Elliott: conversation on this um looks like that's not going to happen now just an FYI what is

[1:32:39] Trustee Elliott: disrespectful

[1:32:40] Voice 14: if you can

[1:32:41] Trustee Elliott: apply i'm sorry to

[1:32:42] Trustee Elliott: the fact and it

[1:32:43] Trustee Elliott: turns 20 that shouldn't apply if you

[1:32:46] Trustee Elliott: guys are going to talk like that so we're going to proceed to item 10.1 um consideration of the

[1:32:54] Trustee Elliott: minor project official community plan review update we've got a memorandum um page 55 of the

[1:33:01] Trustee Elliott: agenda would you like to uh

[1:33:07] Voice 9: so this is very over actually from your previous uh agenda um and it's

[1:33:14] Voice 9: just uh it's an update on your minor project um to say that the staff are advising that to complete

[1:33:20] Voice 9: this project uh changes to the work plan and budget are required and the ltc did receive funding

[1:33:26] Voice 9: funding approval in the most recent budget for a major project for their official community

[1:33:33] Voice 9: plan. And so that work will continue on the work that's occurred so far on the official

[1:33:44] Voice 9: community plan once that project is resourced from the regional planning team.

[1:33:53] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for that. So resourcing from the regional planning team means you would not

[1:33:58] Trustee Elliott: necessarily be assigned to this project but we're going to have to wait for um a regional planner

[1:34:05] Trustee Elliott: or someone on that regional planning team to to conduct the a major ocp review um so there was

[1:34:12] Trustee Elliott: discussion about this financial planning committee and regional planning committee

[1:34:16] Trustee Elliott: and i understand that resources would probably not be available until there's two other projects

[1:34:24] Trustee Elliott: projects might wrap up by summer, fall, and so this OCP review would potentially not get

[1:34:34] Trustee Elliott: started until, is there an anticipated date?

[1:34:41] Voice 9: I don't have that information, but yeah.

[1:34:47] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah. I don't know if our PN jam rats is on the line as well, but okay, so yeah.

[1:34:58] Voice 9: Yeah, so

[1:35:00] Trustee Elliott: we're expecting to continue work that's already been done on the Luskete OCP that is still, you know, excellent work that's in a draft.

[1:35:08] Trustee Elliott: The community's had lots of meetings on that in 2018, as previously discussed, the vision statement that was refreshed.

[1:35:15] Trustee Elliott: that would all be carried forward into a major OCP review and so it doesn't look like that's

[1:35:23] Trustee Elliott: going to get started immediately. Do you have any indication if we can do a minor project at all?

[1:35:33] Trustee Elliott: Are we resourced for that?

[1:35:35] Voice 9: The island trust policy is that local trust committees can have a

[1:35:40] Voice 9: minor project um the and what I couldn't speak to today is whether there's still a reality I guess

[1:35:48] Voice 9: of staff capacity so um that that's what I couldn't necessarily speak to today about that

[1:35:56] Voice 9: whether or not there is that capacity um to initiate a minor project that was in the FCC

[1:36:02] Voice 9: okay

[1:36:06] Trustee Elliott: some of the one of the

[1:36:08] Trustee Elliott: things that I was wondering about if it could be pulled out of the

[1:36:12] Trustee Elliott: ocp review or done in advance maybe some work on perhaps a shoreline management plan or some of

[1:36:21] Trustee Elliott: these other items the housing question when i looked at the draft ocp policies that the work

[1:36:29] Trustee Elliott: that had been done by community there wasn't a lot of discussion on housing and we identified that as

[1:36:35] Trustee Elliott: a gap um so should the if the ltc was to give direction on development of you know housing

[1:36:44] Trustee Elliott: policies or a shoreline management plan basically pulling something from the larger ocp project to

[1:36:51] Trustee Elliott: get some work done in advance do you think that could be resource i've

[1:36:58] Voice 9: well i've asked

[1:36:59] Voice 9: rpm jammer to join the meeting um and so if she's available she'll jump in what field to

[1:37:04] Voice 9: see could council resolution to request staff to um develop a project charter i guess for a minor

[1:37:13] Voice 9: project and then you could report back with that um and also in the meantime also be getting advice

[1:37:20] Voice 9: about whether or not that could be initiated and bring back that information or when that

[1:37:24] Voice 9: could be initiated

[1:37:25] Voice 4: um

[1:37:27] Voice 13: yeah i just uh noting that uh during the uh previous section on the

[1:37:33] Voice 13: application you uh you identified that there's a there was a correction that was going to be made

[1:37:40] Voice 13: in the bylaw i'm wondering if that is a minor enough correction that that could be made as a

[1:37:46] Voice 13: as a small project because if it's incorrect i like it to be corrected when those things are

[1:37:54] Voice 13: noticed um i'm not sure what the scope of that looks like if it's relatively small or relatively

[1:38:02] Voice 9: yeah so yeah that would be a different a different minor project consideration you could have

[1:38:06] Voice 9: um and you know similarly because we would need to have a project charter to describe the scope

[1:38:13] Voice 9: of work but it could be something like a housekeeping update to um you know we could

[1:38:18] Voice 9: review the bylaw for any other um you know typos or errors like that that could be fixed and do it

[1:38:25] Voice 9: all at once um and it would you know it would include that that one as well that we've already

[1:38:30] Voice 9: identified but but also if there were others then yeah

[1:38:38] Voice 12: i guess i just follow up that uh

[1:38:40] Voice 13: i mean we're anticipating when we're we've completed the ocp project we will do a full

[1:38:48] Voice 13: review of the land use pilot so i'd be like a little bit hesitant to

[1:38:52] Voice 13: um direct staff to do a bunch of work you know long analysis to find those gaps but if they're

[1:38:58] Voice 13: in this case it is an identified correction that needs to be made i'd be i'd be happy to request

[1:39:04] Voice 13: that that gets done but i think the deeper review should probably make it we're done with the ocp

[1:39:10] Voice 13: right

[1:39:10] Voice 4: so

[1:39:22] Trustee Elliott: is there any further discussion on this i i mean i don't want to direct any work at this

[1:39:29] Trustee Elliott: point, but I do know that the work, the community association, OCP review steering committee

[1:39:37] Trustee Elliott: recommendations that came out in 2020 did address some policies around housing. But

[1:39:46] Trustee Elliott: I think that was a gap that was identified and particularly as legislation has changed

[1:39:51] Trustee Elliott: with requiring communities to have housing policies for that would meet the

[1:40:02] Trustee Elliott: 20-year projected needs because we've just had some housing needs assessments

[1:40:07] Trustee Elliott: that might be an area that could be looked at because I don't think it was

[1:40:13] Trustee Elliott: well the legislation wasn't in place at that time and now we've got the housing

[1:40:20] Trustee Elliott: needs assessments which we've noted they're not they're done on basic based on surveys not or

[1:40:27] Trustee Elliott: wrong sorry um what's it called the it's

[1:40:32] Voice 13: a model no

[1:40:33] Trustee Elliott: but it's based on the census data

[1:40:35] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[1:40:36] Voice 13: yeah it's based

[1:40:39] Trustee Elliott: on 2021 census data it's not ground truth in any way um

[1:40:44] Trustee Elliott: but that would be one area where i'd say that would be a potential minor project should this

[1:40:50] Trustee Elliott: community want to do some work ahead of time because i don't think that was really uh discussed

[1:40:57] Trustee Elliott: by the um this pd community association so unless uh trustees you need to request staff to develop

[1:41:11] Trustee Elliott: some options for a minor project um i think we're just gonna have to wait to get staff resources

[1:41:27] I

[1:41:28] Voice 13: would like to actually consider just fixing that one a little bit of the 90s by-law and

[1:41:35] if it was respected to that and not the deeper analysis can you just kind of give us a sense

[1:41:42] Voice 13: of how feasible that is you know

[1:41:45] Voice 13: over the next few months?

[1:41:46] Voice 9: yeah well so the it's it's a it's a simple certainly it's a simple amendment to the land

[1:41:56] Voice 9: use bylaw um if you do it as a minor project it still needs to go through all of the normal things

[1:42:02] Voice 9: that our minor project does and really the additional pieces that i come back with the

[1:42:08] Voice 9: project charter to say here's the you know here's the scope of this project what's in scope out of

[1:42:13] Voice 9: scope and you approve that and then we draft the bylaw um so that it's a which is why i suggested

[1:42:20] Voice 9: maybe even if it were i don't know that it would need to but we could i guess look at what if there

[1:42:27] Voice 9: was other housekeeping amendments that could be made and not necessarily a really deep analysis

[1:42:32] Voice 9: to be addressing um big issues or anything but things that are just uh small small amendments

[1:42:40] Voice 9: amendments that would improve clarity or something like that or if there's need to keep a housekeeping

[1:42:45] amendment kind of tracking in our office

[1:42:48] Voice 9: for instance that are could be a way to just to

[1:42:56] Voice 9: improve the clarity of it not too much

[1:42:58] Voice 9: to impact what's what's being

[1:43:00] Voice 13: regulated so does

[1:43:03] Voice 13: that mean that sort of housekeeping work because you're characterizing it is would be different

[1:43:08] Voice 13: than actually making a minor project no

[1:43:10] Voice 9: no that would still be a minor project it would

[1:43:13] Voice 9: still be yes yes okay just that just that if you're going through the effort to do a minor

[1:43:17] Voice 9: project and have a project chartered that it could it could reasonably i think it'd be further

[1:43:23] Voice 9: straightforward to include a little bit more just to get the additional benefit i guess if there

[1:43:28] Voice 9: was other things to address

[1:43:29] Voice 4: yeah

[1:43:31] Voice 13: okay i mean it's a kind of work i like it when the loopholes are

[1:43:44] Voice 13: wanted to morph into something that's um taking up a lot of staff time either especially knowing

[1:43:50] Voice 13: that we are going to do a

[1:43:52] Voice 10: full summary of what has been done um i

[1:44:00] Voice 13: guess maybe just

[1:44:00] Voice 13: maybe from like a risk assessment um do you think there's any like from a staff perspective is there

[1:44:09] Voice 13: any particular urgency in fact fixing that bit or do you feel like it could just wait till the

[1:44:15] Voice 9: i don't i don't believe there's urgency about it okay um it is there it's just that if you

[1:44:23] Voice 9: were looking through it would be hard to find essentially okay yeah i

[1:44:28] Voice 9: think it should probably

[1:44:29] Voice 13: just wait then

[1:44:30] Voice 4: okay

[1:44:36] Voice 13: so i think it would sorry i think it would be uh it might be helpful um

[1:44:45] Voice 13: to have staff come back and look at a couple of of what might be options for minor projects

[1:44:51] Voice 13: especially given that we we're not going to have some uncertainty around the

[1:44:57] Voice 13: staffing resources for the major project will kick in

[1:45:02] Voice 13: and yeah my policy we're allowed to major in a minor project so there's no issues there so um

[1:45:10] Voice 13: and it'll be interesting to hear what um other trustees

[1:45:13] Voice 12: think on that because i sometimes have

[1:45:17] Voice 10: some useful perspective on these sorts of things what fits in well

[1:45:25] Trustee Elliott: i'm just looking at the

[1:45:28] Trustee Elliott: report from july 15 2025 in which um so the major business case that went ahead and so the

[1:45:37] Trustee Elliott: The resolution to trigger that business case was to complete any unfinished items

[1:45:43] Trustee Elliott: from the OCPLEB review project, October version 6.1, from May 2024.

[1:45:50] Trustee Elliott: Items 2, 3, and 4 from the future projects report, which I'm not sure what those were.

[1:45:56] Trustee Elliott: Do you remember?

[1:45:57] Voice 13: Yeah, we'd have to go back to that version of it because it's changed since then.

[1:46:03] Trustee Elliott: Well, I think it's going to be in the report somewhere.

[1:46:10] Trustee Elliott: yeah so yeah like developing a more a management plan for mooring boys and access to the shoreline

[1:46:21] Trustee Elliott: scotty bay developing marine conservation designation and zone i am interested to see

[1:46:27] Trustee Elliott: if we could pull some of those as a minor project um and so we'd have to get advice

[1:46:35] Trustee Elliott: on that. Maybe we could do some thinking on this over lunch.

[1:46:50] Trustee Elliott: Do trustees want to take a break for lunch? We'll pause in the middle considering this and come back.

[1:47:00] Trustee Elliott: Because we're going to direct staff to bring back some options on a minor project.

[1:47:05] Trustee Elliott: Let's be clear about what we're asking. If we don't, that's fine. We don't have to.

[1:47:11] Trustee Elliott: we've got two pieces of correspondence to consider and then minor major project ports

[1:47:18] Trustee Elliott: and i believe that's all the business for today so we have a

[1:47:21] Voice 13: small camera session too oh great

[1:47:24] Trustee Elliott: thank you so we'll come back at 1 10. this is only 20 minutes how about 1 20. sure okay

[1:47:36] Okay, I'm at 120, and I will remember you when you text back.

[1:47:40] Thank you.

[2:19:41] Voice 5: Well, we don't know that for sure.

[2:19:43] Voice 5: Well, he's not making a lot of money.

[2:19:45] Voice 5: Don't forget to get on his card.

[2:19:47] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[2:19:49] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, at least I've needed to bring up.

[2:19:51] Trustee Elliott: Arnaz said it.

[2:19:53] Trustee Elliott: I will.

[2:19:54] Voice 14: I met Arnaz.

[2:19:55] Voice 14: He

[2:19:55] Trustee Elliott: said it's not in my power.

[2:19:56] Voice 14: He made up.

[2:19:57] Voice 14: He

[2:19:57] Trustee Elliott: was the man.

[2:19:58] Voice 14: I'm ready.

[2:19:59] Voice 4: I'm just opening up for all of the proposed motions.

[2:20:05] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:20:10] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, I didn't mean to quiet everybody right away there.

[2:20:15] Trustee Elliott: Why don't I have the video?

[2:20:17] Trustee Elliott: go okay so we are back live and in person with your favorite whiskey island local trust committee

[2:20:26] Trustee Elliott: back from our uh lunch break at a regular store uh to continue our business of considering um

[2:20:34] Trustee Elliott: recommendations from staff about the ocp review project um so i had a bit of a thought

[2:20:41] Trustee Elliott: yeah thank you for taking lunch chair that was a great idea

[2:20:47] Trustee Elliott: um so back in december 2023 so december 11th 2023 um the musketeer local trust committee

[2:20:59] Trustee Elliott: received a report from our planner outlining with a technical analysis a very high level

[2:21:05] Trustee Elliott: analysis of the musketeer ocp levy review project and sort of what had been um the topics that were

[2:21:14] Trustee Elliott: scoped in and what might additionally need to be considered um in particular in relation to housing

[2:21:23] Trustee Elliott: and alignment with the regional conservation plan i think um so there was a in the technical review

[2:21:31] Trustee Elliott: the ocp was identified that um so the most significant changes would be when we look at

[2:21:41] Trustee Elliott: by-law number 98 compared to the current OCP by-law number 77 would be to add a definition

[2:21:46] Trustee Elliott: section, add introductory language, including language about First Nations, alter formatting,

[2:21:53] Trustee Elliott: add new land use designations for marine and parks and protected areas, policies related

[2:21:58] Trustee Elliott: to environmental stewardship, resource stewardship, and about residential land use, remove some

[2:22:03] Trustee Elliott: policies related to commercial and industrial lands and resource stewardship, and so on.

[2:22:08] Trustee Elliott: what was missing is um it says remaining work uh on consistency with the island's trust policy

[2:22:19] Trustee Elliott: statement policy 5.8.6 of the policy statement states that local trust committees shall in their

[2:22:28] Trustee Elliott: official community plans and regulatory bylaws address their community's current and projected

[2:22:32] Trustee Elliott: housing requirements and the long-term needs for educational institutional community and health

[2:22:37] Trustee Elliott: related facilities and services and as i discussed before legislation has recently coming come in

[2:22:44] Trustee Elliott: that ocps need to address a 20-year outlook of housing policies for their community so um

[2:22:54] Trustee Elliott: that wasn't exhibited in the current draft of the ocp that went through the process so

[2:23:02] Trustee Elliott: what i would like to suggest is a motion well i'll put the motion on the floor and then we

[2:23:09] Trustee Elliott: can discuss it to consider to request staff to put back with options for a minor project

[2:23:18] Trustee Elliott: a potential minor project that would get some of the work started

[2:23:26] Trustee Elliott: a little bit earlier than what we're going to anticipate the full OCP review

[2:23:31] Trustee Elliott: is going to take and it's we're looking for a minor project that could be done in one year

[2:23:37] Trustee Elliott: that is related to the OCP process and the reason this is is because of how things are resourced

[2:23:46] Trustee Elliott: with staff our OCP process will only be undertaken by the original planning team

[2:23:54] Trustee Elliott: and we could have our island planner planner Bob working on a minor project as well so to my view

[2:24:03] Trustee Elliott: we could get some of the pre-work done for the OCP process done by a local planner who's very

[2:24:10] Trustee Elliott: familiar with our process so far and the regional planning team would then engage with the full OCP

[2:24:20] Trustee Elliott: review. So my recommendation would be that requesting staff to report back to the Mesquite

[2:24:25] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee with options and scope for a potential minor project related to a so these

[2:24:34] Trustee Elliott: are three options that i would be asking for and totally up for debate here the community's current

[2:24:38] Trustee Elliott: and projected housing requirements b early engagement and consultation with first nations

[2:24:45] Trustee Elliott: on their interests and core concerns and c mapping community values along the shoreline

[2:24:54] Trustee Elliott: of Lispy the Island and each of those three options could would feed into the OCP project so

[2:25:02] Trustee Elliott: all we're asking at this point is that staff could report back with options

[2:25:06] Trustee Elliott: um we can advance those or not but yeah just

[2:25:12] Voice 9: maybe one I guess you're asking to report back on

[2:25:19] Voice 9: options for three different projects is there one that you favor over the others

[2:25:27] Voice 9: um i don't yeah i guess i'm wondering do you is there information that you need to receive

[2:25:34] Voice 9: before you decide which would be the priority and this is the question that i'm wondering

[2:25:38] Voice 9: um

[2:25:41] Trustee Elliott: well so for the first one we have legislation that has changed what is in our oc what needs to

[2:25:54] Trustee Elliott: be in our OCPs. So you did the technical analysis of what came back from the community. There

[2:25:59] Trustee Elliott: were no real policies on housing identified. So to me, it would be to scope out what are

[2:26:06] Trustee Elliott: the impacts of the legislation and how could we move towards developing housing policies?

[2:26:15] Trustee Elliott: Maybe that's too much a part of the OCP review.

[2:26:18] Trustee Elliott: be in well

[2:26:19] Voice 9: i guess i'm just trying to i'm asking because if there's an efficiency to if if you have

[2:26:27] Voice 9: if you feel that the ltc feels they could decide on a priority today and i could report back on

[2:26:33] Voice 9: what a minor project might look like but maybe there is a need to understand what a minor when

[2:26:40] Voice 9: each of these separate minor projects could look like and then the ltc move forward but i just i

[2:26:46] Voice 9: I guess that was my question, rooted in just does the LTC feel comfortable taking a priority now

[2:26:51] Voice 9: and

[2:26:52] Voice 4: then getting a report back with that minor project?

[2:26:56] Trustee Elliott: I mean, in my view, the second one that I proposed,

[2:27:02] Trustee Elliott: the early engagement consultation with First Nations.

[2:27:06] Trustee Elliott: So this comes from two reasons.

[2:27:09] Trustee Elliott: We've had a great community-to-community process with First Nations,

[2:27:12] Trustee Elliott: and there's ongoing conversation.

[2:27:13] Trustee Elliott: identifying First Nations core concerns and interests so that you can have the conversation about the OCP, like where they want to weigh in.

[2:27:25] Trustee Elliott: That early engagement could be a minor project of its own.

[2:27:30] Trustee Elliott: um and we can work and maybe working together with the hoyate archaeology project with the

[2:27:39] Trustee Elliott: the relationships that they've built we can sort of structure um help like staff could engage with

[2:27:47] Trustee Elliott: first nations to understand where they want to weigh in that would be a project of its own that

[2:27:52] Trustee Elliott: would kind of get us off the ground the mapping the community values along the shoreline i think

[2:27:58] Trustee Elliott: is quite an intensive project it would be but i think it picks up on work that was already done

[2:28:04] Trustee Elliott: before 2018 that the community had started to map values um i've been through a long process

[2:28:11] Trustee Elliott: with plum and first nation i believe so i would want to pick up any of that work that had been

[2:28:18] Trustee Elliott: done and then say what do we need to do further the housing piece is um probably the impacts of

[2:28:27] Trustee Elliott: legislation on let's give these ocp so that the community would understand what its ocp

[2:28:33] Trustee Elliott: needs to contain but i've talked enough well anybody have any thoughts or comments

[2:28:43] Trustee Elliott: and we don't have to no defenses at all well

[2:28:48] Voice 13: i appreciate my thought material and

[2:28:53] Voice 13: um certainly it's never too early for early engagement consultations um

[2:29:00] Voice 13: with first nations i i know that we have uh we have had some uh motions in the past to consider

[2:29:07] Voice 13: having um first nations representative come and uh open the meeting for us um

[2:29:16] Voice 12: certainly within the sort of broader scope but there's some um we've done some work with

[2:29:24] Voice 12: done also we still have to do some follow-up on um uh there's klamen which of course are

[2:29:32] Voice 12: are close and uh we've had some you know an individual

[2:29:35] Voice 13: engagement but also with qualicum

[2:29:38] Voice 13: i think there's some scope for some room for some some work there uh i did have a couple conversations

[2:29:45] Voice 13: um at the mural event uh with some

[2:29:48] Voice 12: qualicum members and uh and uh sort of the

[2:29:55] Voice 12: And

[2:29:55] Voice 13: essentially what I got out of that was that reaching out to

[2:30:00] Voice 13: um michael ricalma would be a good idea and uh so that we can get some more

[2:30:05] Voice 4: you

[2:30:06] Voice 13: know the official

[2:30:08] Voice 13: official rather than casual um sort of engagement in relationship building uh not that the personal

[2:30:14] Voice 13: relationship building isn't as important it is but um i know that director frager and i uh

[2:30:20] in

[2:30:21] Voice 13: the fall had just really briefly buffed into Chifukola and mentioned Liskiti,

[2:30:31] Voice 13: but I don't know that we did any follow-up.

[2:30:34] Voice 13: So I'm certainly supportive of that aspect.

[2:30:37] Voice 13: I tend to agree that mapping and keeping the values on the shoreline,

[2:30:41] Voice 13: it would be good work, but that may take some time.

[2:30:46] Voice 13: and as far as the current and projected housing requirements uh obviously it makes sense to get a

[2:30:57] Voice 13: clear idea of what you know the province has said needs to be in our ocp um but the i do have some

[2:31:06] Voice 13: issues with the projected housing requirements uh based on the south housing assessment needs

[2:31:13] Voice 13: a report that's coming to the Regional Planning Committee, I would be pretty concerned if

[2:31:20] we were using that kind of modelling as the basis for our work because I don't believe

[2:31:30] it's reflective nor do I think most of the community would think

[2:31:32] Voice 13: it's reflective of reality.

[2:31:34] Voice 13: reality um so i be a little cautious about how we go beyond what the provincial you know how far

[2:31:43] Voice 13: we go beyond what the provincial requirements are in our rcp so those are my comments

[2:31:51] Voice 4: i

[2:31:53] Trustee Elliott: don't know if you have any advice on that my understanding is that housing needs projections

[2:31:58] Trustee Elliott: we understand they're limited we wouldn't use those as the basis for you know we need housing

[2:32:05] Trustee Elliott: housing for 50 people for the next 20 years but it is information that feeds into that process so I

[2:32:13] Trustee Elliott: think the purpose would be to understand what are the impacts of legislation on the OCP with regards

[2:32:20] Trustee Elliott: to housing uh

[2:32:24] Voice 9: yeah well just just with regards to the housing needs reports you I think when

[2:32:30] Voice 9: you review your OCP you need to consider them but this is not you're not mandated in this case to

[2:32:38] to ensure you have that that particular amount of housing necessarily and so yeah I mean

[2:32:44] it's maybe

[2:32:45] Voice 9: in this case if you're not confident in that data then maybe it's more of a

[2:32:49] Voice 4: you

[2:32:51] Voice 9: know something to start a conversation or something that you you consider and end with

[2:32:55] Voice 9: the other other ways of gaining feedback or information about housing on the street.

[2:33:06] Trustee Elliott: So I sent you an email with those three options is there any one of the three that you think

[2:33:11] Trustee Elliott: we could ask staff to prioritize and come back with some options for a project or none of them

[2:33:17] Trustee Elliott: what are your thoughts on that

[2:33:33] Voice 13: well i i think the the uh the engagement consultation of the first nations i think that's

[2:33:39] Voice 13: that's the one i would prioritize it's i mean it'll be ongoing work um but certainly any

[2:33:46] Voice 13: work we do now will um support the work that's done in the major project when it comes along

[2:33:53] Voice 4: yeah um

[2:33:53] Voice 13: and i don't you know scope wise duration wise um i i think it's perhaps more reasonable

[2:34:04] Voice 13: like the community values on the shorelines important work but i don't see completing that

[2:34:10] Voice 13: in a year that's huge

[2:34:11] Voice 13: um if that's a big project not that it necessarily has to be an expensive

[2:34:15] Voice 13: a project but i think the duration would be uh longer so that would be my my thoughts is that

[2:34:24] Voice 13: early engagement is it feeds into what we're already doing it's important work any of the

[2:34:30] Voice 13: work we can do in preparation for the major project oh nothing would be helpful so that's

[2:34:37] Voice 13: that's it i

[2:34:39] Trustee Elliott: concur so i'll make a motion then and we can discuss so i move uh the

[2:34:48] Trustee Elliott: trust committee requests staff to report back with options and scope for a potential

[2:34:55] Trustee Elliott: minor project related to early engagement and consultation with first nations comma

[2:35:02] Trustee Elliott: to identify core concerns and interests related to land and marine use planning or maybe i shouldn't

[2:35:15] Trustee Elliott: limit it to identify core concerns and interests yeah okay we'll send it there

[2:35:23] Trustee Elliott: okay moved and seconded by trustee peterson for concerns and

[2:35:30] Voice 6: And

[2:35:43] Trustee Elliott: so I'm going to let the local trust committee request staff to report back with options and scope for a potential minor project related to early engagement and consultation with First Nations to identify their core interests and concerns or concerns and interests.

[2:36:06] Trustee Elliott: And I see Renee has joined us.

[2:36:10] Trustee Elliott: Hello, Renee.

[2:36:13] Trustee Elliott: you heard our call for help we were discussing resourcing and a potential minor project to get

[2:36:21] Trustee Elliott: things started because we know that the ocp review is a major project much be resourced

[2:36:26] Trustee Elliott: from the regional funding team and probably not until winter or late in the fiscal do you have

[2:36:33] Voice 2: any advice for us thank you chair um good afternoon everyone um my uh only request for

[2:36:42] Voice 2: for maybe a friendly revision to the motion

[2:36:44] Voice 2: would be to specify it's for the official community plan

[2:36:48] Voice 2: or leading into the community plan major project,

[2:36:51] Voice 2: the official community plan major project rather.

[2:36:55] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:36:58] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, great suggestion.

[2:37:00] Trustee Elliott: So if we add to identify the core concerns and interests

[2:37:03] Trustee Elliott: or core interests and concerns related

[2:37:06] Trustee Elliott: to the OCP major, OCP review major project, is that good?

[2:37:17] Trustee Elliott: OCP. Oh, to inform. Is that better?

[2:37:31] All

[2:37:33] Trustee Elliott: right. Okay, I think I've read it enough times. Do you need it again?

[2:37:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay. Moved. Seconded by Trustee

[2:37:46] Trustee Elliott: Peterson. Any discussion of the motion? All those in favor?

[2:37:50] Trustee Elliott: That is carried. Thank you. So we've got a request for some options for a minor project

[2:37:58] Trustee Elliott: that will come back to us in June.

[2:38:01] Trustee Elliott: Thank you so much to staff.

[2:38:03] Trustee Elliott: And Renee, you've got your hand up again.

[2:38:05] Trustee Elliott: Hello.

[2:38:07] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[2:38:08] Voice 2: I also wanted to add that conversations

[2:38:11] Voice 2: that we would have with nations,

[2:38:14] Voice 2: while we'll help communicate and convey

[2:38:17] Voice 2: that it's leading into the work

[2:38:19] Voice 2: that we're going to be progressing

[2:38:22] Voice 2: on the official community plan,

[2:38:24] Voice 2: anything else that we do here,

[2:38:26] Voice 2: We do want to capture and hear as well and also communicate.

[2:38:31] Voice 2: So that'll be part of the information that we're aware and we don't want to limit that conversation with nations.

[2:38:43] Voice 2: We understand that that can be troublesome as well because their concerns may not always be just in our neat little boxes of a project.

[2:38:54] Voice 2: for

[2:38:55] Trustee Elliott: sure yeah

[2:38:56] Voice 2: thank you thank

[2:38:57] Trustee Elliott: you um i guess one final point on this is is is there a point

[2:39:05] Trustee Elliott: of contact in this community um uh his name is willie he's he's in the he's

[2:39:15] Voice 12: on the reconcile

[2:39:16] Voice 12: lca reconciliation committee

[2:39:18] Trustee Elliott: the reconciliation uh committee um so i had connected with him at

[2:39:23] Trustee Elliott: the mural unveiling and asked if he or a representative might be willing to produce

[2:39:28] Trustee Elliott: a First Nations relationship building update and so he will be and so I wonder if we can connect

[2:39:36] Trustee Elliott: with him um to or others uh to start that conversation with who would be involved in

[2:39:48] Trustee Elliott: or wants to offer comment or would you go have to go through the legislative database

[2:39:52] Trustee Elliott: database or the consultative database and the formal referral clerks and so on yeah

[2:39:59] Voice 9: I mean

[2:40:01] Voice 9: it sounds this project sounds like it's it's um receiving input prior to working on an OCP project

[2:40:08] Voice 9: I don't think I think they'll see can can seek input from from whoever

[2:40:12] Voice 9: they might we

[2:40:14] Trustee Elliott: can work

[2:40:15] Trustee Elliott: together you

[2:40:16] Voice 9: need to do that specific direction to include in that project target stage

[2:40:19] Voice 9: i

[2:40:20] Trustee Elliott: think this is a great opportunity to build on the community the community work that

[2:40:26] Trustee Elliott: mesquite has done it's been such a significant um undertaking and there's so much goodwill

[2:40:34] Trustee Elliott: uh and the relationships really are seem to be strong but um i think

[2:40:42] Trustee Elliott: building on that to understand their interests on mesquite is going to help the OCP project for sure

[2:40:48] Trustee Elliott: so see what comes back give you more work great is there anything else on item 10.1 on the um

[2:40:59] Trustee Elliott: official community plan review update or so am I in the wrong no I'm in the right agenda

[2:41:06] Trustee Elliott: all right so let's move on to correspondence 11.1 we have two items of correspondence

[2:41:12] Trustee Elliott: does anybody want to see these raised for information or discussion trustee peterson

[2:41:19] Voice 13: yeah thank you chair um the writers of the first piece of correspondence there um ferris and hopwood

[2:41:30] Voice 13: bringing to light some specific information following up on an earlier request for information

[2:41:37] Voice 13: information that I directed to staff on tenure application. They've now provided a land file

[2:41:44] Voice 13: number for us. They feel it's very important that it be referred to the local trust committee

[2:41:53] Voice 13: for review and comment. This relates to the previous, my previous comments were on the

[2:42:00] Voice 13: follow-up action list um there's two items on there uh sort of in relation to this so

[2:42:07] Voice 13: um what i'm wondering is what we can do today uh my recollection is and it could

[2:42:15] Voice 13: be faulty but my recollection is that um previous requests for staff to follow this up

[2:42:22] Voice 13: um didn't result in any information being found um i don't recall whether the the uh

[2:42:34] Voice 13: crown on file number was provided that was through emails um not directly through the

[2:42:40] Voice 13: local trust committee's meeting work um i think this is a really important issue in a broad sense

[2:42:49] Voice 13: across islands trust brought this to executive committee and it's coming to a trust council for

[2:42:57] Voice 13: further consideration the existing letter of understanding could certainly be interpreted

[2:43:03] Voice 13: by its wording that these should be coming to the local trust committee um for review and uh

[2:43:11] Voice 13: and comment um we know that past practice uh does not necessarily reflect what the letter

[2:43:19] Voice 13: of understanding says however there's there are cases that this is clearly one of them where the

[2:43:25] Voice 13: public is deeply interested on um the disposition of these uh these tenure applications and has

[2:43:34] Voice 13: some expectation which is easy to understand giving the letter of understanding that the

[2:43:39] Voice 13: local trust committee would be um uh receiving the referrals and and commenting on again based

[2:43:46] Voice 13: of letter of understanding so um what maybe i'll just ask staff what steps are reasonable to

[2:43:58] Voice 13: request i mean i'd like to i'd like to see this followed up on

[2:44:04] Voice 13: information provided is this a is this an open application um if so uh i'd like it to come to

[2:44:15] Voice 13: local trust committee for review and and comment and um i guess the third piece would be if there

[2:44:22] Voice 13: is a an issue around the deadline for that referral that uh that an extension be applied for

[2:44:30] Voice 13: because i know that's one of the one of the issues around getting these to ltc's

[2:44:34] Voice 13: so uh

[2:44:37] Voice 9: through the chair the um your application support this year um and this is not

[2:44:43] Voice 9: not an open application or referral, but if the LTC would like to comment on that, I don't

[2:44:52] Voice 9: know, I guess that Islands Trust has received a referral, we'd need to look, but if there's

[2:44:57] Voice 9: no open application, then I don't think we did.

[2:45:01] Voice 9: And so in that case, the LTC could still comment on it,

[2:45:05] Voice 9: but you would just be sending your

[2:45:10] Voice 9: comments to the province.

[2:45:12] Voice 9: I

[2:45:13] Voice 4: don't

[2:45:17] Voice 9: I don't know the details of this particular application or you know what what there is

[2:45:25] Voice 9: to comment on or what your land use bylaw or I don't have to say about it but but the

[2:45:31] Voice 9: LTC could there's concerns they want to express or then they can send that to to the ministry.

[2:45:41] Voice 13: yeah and there's certainly some pretty detailed concerns outlined in the in the correspondence

[2:45:48] Voice 13: including some mapping and stuff um clearly if it's not i mean if it's not an open application

[2:45:57] Voice 13: for some reason this isn't an active file then don't want to get staff to put a lot of work into

[2:46:05] Voice 13: to it but if it's real then i think that that i would like us to sort of follow the

[2:46:11] Voice 13: the recommendations in the correspondence to to bring it to the ltc for review and comment

[2:46:19] Voice 9: sure just just for clarity there is not an open application with islands trust

[2:46:24] Voice 9: for an open referral that we've received it it may be uh but it sounds like it is an open

[2:46:30] Voice 9: application with the province but yeah just just to clarify that

[2:46:39] Voice 13: so then would it make most sense just to ask staff to look into this file and let us know

[2:46:49] Voice 13: um and then request that if it does become a referral that you give it to the ltc

[2:46:58] Voice 13: um sort of in accordance with the motion that was passed that's on the follow-up action list

[2:47:08] Voice 9: you could well if you have your comments already you could just request that the lcc could just

[2:47:14] Voice 9: draft a letter to um you know from the chair uh with with your comments to send to the ministry

[2:47:22] Voice 14: but we don't know if yeah

[2:47:25] Voice 13: well i mean i don't have i mean

[2:47:27] Voice 13: i don't have comments prepared and

[2:47:29] Voice 13: i don't think we're prepared to um i don't know that we're prepared anyway to uh to provide those

[2:47:38] Voice 13: today my concern is that knowing the the typical referral window and how it

[2:47:48] Voice 13: doesn't necessarily line up with our meeting schedule that that an

[2:47:52] Voice 13: opportunity for the LTC to directly comment wouldn't be missed that's my

[2:47:59] Voice 13: only concern well

[2:48:07] Voice 9: we can certainly report back with information about this

[2:48:15] Voice 9: you know whatever information we can find about this application that's public if we receive a

[2:48:20] Voice 9: referral it um you know i believe it would just go through that normal process i don't know if

[2:48:29] Voice 9: that that we typically do um and the ltc could still add comments i think after it went through

[2:48:38] Voice 9: it as you would be included on that response um my understanding is that i think you mentioned

[2:48:45] Voice 9: that the dc is also executive community should say is also looking at this process um but i don't

[2:48:52] Voice 9: yeah i don't know if rpm general has anything to add there yes

[2:49:00] Trustee Elliott: any advice uh

[2:49:01] Trustee Elliott: rpm general

[2:49:02] Trustee Elliott: thank

[2:49:03] Voice 2: you chair um i'm also reflecting on um uh suggesting a motion or an action

[2:49:12] Voice 2: um we're in a bit of a an awkward timing spot where um with confirmation um how to set a

[2:49:23] Voice 2: resolution that could state um should there be an app a crown land referral for this particular

[2:49:31] Voice 2: application the ltc would like to comment provide comment um a notion a motion that speaks to that

[2:49:38] Voice 2: right? I think is the desire of the LTC, which is something that staff can follow up on. How to

[2:49:45] Voice 2: capture that? It would make for a, not an ideal resolution. We could capture that in a follow-up

[2:49:55] Voice 2: action item, but it's just going, it's not a conventional way we would add it. But just to

[2:50:02] Voice 2: recognize that this is a bit of a timing issue I can I can add this one to the list to confirm

[2:50:13] Voice 2: so what we could do is confirm that there is if there is a crown land file open application

[2:50:21] Voice 2: so to confirm so subject subject to a crown crown land file being open for this particular

[2:50:36] Voice 2: concern or topic that the ltc would like to provide comment on it so

[2:50:44] Trustee Elliott: that it'd be brought

[2:50:45] Trustee Elliott: to the ski local trust committee to provide comment if possible so request to staff to

[2:50:53] Trustee Elliott: confirm crown land file application number 14 15 19 4 and request it to be brought to the ski

[2:51:01] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee for comment possible would

[2:51:04] Voice 2: that meet the ltc's uh desire to see that

[2:51:09] Voice 2: i

[2:51:10] Voice 13: would just ask whether it would be necessary to include a direction to apply for an extension

[2:51:17] Voice 13: if there is a time consideration or whether we could take it that staff would just do that

[2:51:23] Voice 13: I think through the

[2:51:25] Voice 2: chair correct okay

[2:51:27] Voice 13: great then I never know how detailed though I need to get

[2:51:31] Voice 13: but just want to make sure that part's not missed if it's required and

[2:51:36] Voice 2: through the chair the um

[2:51:37] Voice 2: my my advice and intent is to make sure that it this particular application um is is flagged

[2:51:45] Voice 2: so that's what this resolution would be doing sure

[2:51:48] Voice 4: appreciate that

[2:51:49] Voice 13: Do

[2:51:50] Voice 4: you want to do that?

[2:51:52] Voice 4: You guys still have some application for Crownland file.

[2:51:57] Voice 13: So I know that the Liskety Local Trust Committee

[2:52:00] Voice 13: requests staff to confirm there is an

[2:52:03] Trustee Elliott: application

[2:52:05] Voice 13: for Crownland file 1415194,

[2:52:11] Voice 13: and that it brought the Liskety Local Trust Committee

[2:52:14] Voice 13: for comment.

[2:52:18] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:52:20] Voice 5: Is that wording okay?

[2:52:30] Voice 9: Um, uh, confirm if there is a referral. Is that what you're asking? If it

[2:52:35] Voice 9: has been referred

[2:52:35] Voice 9: to the Islands Trust?

[2:52:36] Trustee Elliott: Well, an application.

[2:52:38] Voice 9: Or if there is a, I don't know, if there

[2:52:41] Voice 13: is an application.

[2:52:41] Voice 13: And that any referral be brought. And that any referral be brought to, to, because we,

[2:52:49] Voice 9: yeah.

[2:52:50] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:52:51] Voice 9: Does that fit the

[2:52:52] Voice 9: If there is an, if there is a Crownland application file number, and that any referral

[2:52:59] Voice 9: all brought to the island lgc for comment okay

[2:53:03] Trustee Elliott: seconder second trustee laroni seconds any further

[2:53:09] Trustee Elliott: discussion all those in favor that is carried thanks great uh item 11.2 so correspondence

[2:53:18] Trustee Elliott: coming back from uh minister uh ministry of transport regarding the false bay dock on the

[2:53:26] Trustee Elliott: Muskegee Island. So just for the community's information, the chair, the local trust committee

[2:53:35] Trustee Elliott: wrote to the Minister of Transport on January 22nd, 2025, stating that the dock facility

[2:53:44] Trustee Elliott: is at that location very old and in need of serious renovations and requesting that the

[2:53:50] Trustee Elliott: dock facility be added to the next round of funding for repair and reconstruction. So

[2:53:56] Trustee Elliott: This is a response to that. They state that in 2022, a routine detailed inspection noted that

[2:54:03] Trustee Elliott: the dock remains in serviceable condition, now three years on, and they state that they conducted

[2:54:10] Trustee Elliott: inspections every four to five years and other inspections on for 2026. They basically say they're

[2:54:20] Trustee Elliott: monitoring it and found it was in good repair but we'll be looking again next year also mention a

[2:54:28] Trustee Elliott: potential divestiture if uh they

[2:54:31] Trustee Elliott: thought that would be a community benefit not sure how but

[2:54:39] Trustee Elliott: anything further that we uh want to do with this trustee peterson i

[2:54:44] Voice 13: just wanted to state

[2:54:45] Voice 13: how incredibly disappointing the response was um so they're planning another inspection

[2:54:54] Voice 13: in somewhere around a year ish great um i i just note that previous inspections seem to have missed

[2:55:06] Voice 13: some rather egregious spots where pilings move like this all of them by themselves in the water

[2:55:12] Voice 13: so i don't know what i mean i don't i think there's very little this committee can do

[2:55:17] Voice 13: um in terms of focusing the inspection in a way that doesn't miss these glaring problems

[2:55:23] Voice 13: but it's just really disappointing then for them to uh encourage that we look at the uh divestiture

[2:55:30] Voice 13: as a benefit is it's over the top we know what happened with the divestiture over on gambier and

[2:55:37] Voice 13: it's they're looking at potentially not having a doc that

[2:55:41] Voice 1: is certainly not

[2:55:42] Voice 13: what we're up for so uh

[2:55:45] Voice 13: just uh mr mckay's uh response just highly disappointing don't know what else to say

[2:55:55] Voice 13: so

[2:55:56] Trustee Elliott: if anybody wanted to do some video of the wiggling dock peers and upload it to youtube

[2:56:01] Trustee Elliott: and say so in response here's what it looks like please come more urgently than 2026 i actually

[2:56:08] Voice 13: have a pretty you

[2:56:10] Trustee Elliott: have a good alarming

[2:56:10] Voice 13: looking video of one of those i'll have to dig it out

[2:56:15] Voice 13: and send it to mr mckay okay and gore

[2:56:21] Voice 13: yes

[2:56:22] Trustee Elliott: we've got a

[2:56:23] Trustee Elliott: series of staff reports so um i won't go

[2:56:27] go

[2:56:27] Trustee Elliott: into them I'll just ask if any need to be raised for information as I stated earlier

[2:56:35] Trustee Elliott: when we were discussing the OCP review 13.5 First Nations relationship building update

[2:56:40] Trustee Elliott: there are some communities that I chair very local trust committees and because they're doing

[2:56:46] Trustee Elliott: so much community to community work with First Nations they've actually been preparing a report

[2:56:52] Trustee Elliott: for LTC just for communities information and so I did reach out to Willie um and asked if there'd

[2:57:00] Trustee Elliott: be some interest in somebody from the reconciliation steering committee not to say that that is all the

[2:57:05] Trustee Elliott: First Nations work being done but if there's I think he said there's a screening of a film coming

[2:57:11] Trustee Elliott: up and different things that we might be able to include that in our um as an update so Renee I

[2:57:18] Trustee Elliott: I don't know if that's going to be too challenging for you,

[2:57:22] Trustee Elliott: but I can work with community members and our legislative clerk

[2:57:27] Trustee Elliott: to get any updates into our agenda.

[2:57:32] Trustee Elliott: It's just for information.

[2:57:35] Trustee Elliott: So we've got our work program, active projects,

[2:57:37] Trustee Elliott: and future projects report, pages 68 to 70.

[2:57:43] Trustee Elliott: And, yep.

[2:57:44] Voice 9: There is 13.7, the addendum.

[2:57:48] Trustee Elliott: what's that what was that it's

[2:57:50] Voice 9: an addendum the annual report ah

[2:57:52] Trustee Elliott: i missed it that's why it's

[2:57:54] Voice 9: on a separate document yeah okay pesky addendums

[2:57:59] Trustee Elliott: pesky addendums that i did not see so

[2:58:04] Voice 5: oh there is

[2:58:11] Trustee Elliott: the agenda okay okay so the addendum 2024-25 annual report a legislative requirement um if we want to

[2:58:18] Trustee Elliott: amend this at all. It's just the reporting of the Luskinia Local Trust Committee activities

[2:58:25] Trustee Elliott: the past year 2024-25 for our annual report.

[2:58:33] Trustee Elliott: Here's a recommendation. Do you want to move that?

[2:58:36] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Luskinia Island LTC approves the attached text for inclusion in the

[2:58:46] Trustee Elliott: for inclusion in the 2024-2025 annual report for approval by trust council on the submission

[2:58:52] Trustee Elliott: to the minister of housing and municipal affairs excellent so moved by the secretary

[2:58:59] Trustee Elliott: seconded by mr peterson any discussion okay all those in favor and that is carried thank you

[2:59:10] Trustee Elliott: I

[2:59:10] Voice 13: have a question on the expense report, there was a question in the town hall and just wondered

[2:59:19] Voice 13: if we could follow up on that a little bit and I don't have the information to compare

[2:59:27] Voice 13: to but the suggestion was that the meeting expenses line was higher than sort of historical

[2:59:35] Voice 13: historical averages, perhaps, and if there's any staff that can comment on that piece at

[2:59:41] Voice 13: all.

[2:59:43] Voice 13: And if not, I understand as well.

[2:59:45] Trustee Elliott: Well, I know from previous questions about this, that all the budgets for LTC meetings

[2:59:55] Trustee Elliott: were made previously as sort of a general bucket of approaches.

[3:00:00] Trustee Elliott: anticipated expenses starting this year and working I believe through the RPMs and I'm not

[3:00:08] Trustee Elliott: sure how they're going to do this they want to create more tailored budgets based on actual

[3:00:16] Trustee Elliott: expenses and so this budget could potentially look different depending on the information that

[3:00:24] Trustee Elliott: we have from previous the previous fiscal of what the actual expenses are so this was staff's best

[3:00:31] Trustee Elliott: guess and that's why all of the budget line all of the expenses have been out of whack with your

[3:00:38] Trustee Elliott: parts right

[3:00:39] Voice 13: right right yes that's right we did mention the other previous meeting because the

[3:00:43] Voice 13: moving transitioning to the new system where we have a a meeting administrator um yeah that's

[3:00:51] Voice 4: yeah it's going

[3:00:52] Voice 4: to be allocated

[3:00:52] Voice 13: differently all right thank you thanks

[3:00:55] Trustee Elliott: for that question reminder

[3:00:56] Voice 13: but i always like to be responsive when we can exactly

[3:00:59] Trustee Elliott: so our next regular meeting is scheduled

[3:01:02] Trustee Elliott: for monday july 14th 2025 at 11 a.m here at the judith fisher center number one time called bay

[3:01:10] Trustee Elliott: road whiskey island bc and so with that i'll have a motion to close the meeting and release the

[3:01:17] Trustee Elliott: the two members of the public in attendance to go enjoy the outside while we conclude

[3:01:22] Trustee Elliott: our business i

[3:01:25] Voice 13: move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community

[3:01:28] Voice 13: chartered park or commission for section 91 a for the purpose of considering a personal

[3:01:35] information about an identified individual individual

[3:01:38] Voice 13: who holds or is being considered

[3:01:41] Voice 13: for a position as an officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position of

[3:01:47] Voice 13: qualified municipality and that the recording staff attend the meeting thank

[3:01:51] Trustee Elliott: you move do i

[3:01:52] Trustee Elliott: have a seconder seconded by trustee laroni all those in favor carried thank you thank you all

[3:02:00] Trustee Elliott: right thanks for

[3:02:01] Voice 13: coming everybody i appreciate your patience

[3:02:04] Trustee Elliott: your civic awareness

[3:02:09] Trustee Elliott: thank you

[3:02:10] Trustee Elliott: So, I will just, um...

[3:02:15] Trustee Elliott: I'm running out of stuff.