Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 16, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 7: I'd like to call this meeting to order. This is the regular meeting of the Hornbeaud Committee for May 16, 2025.

[0:00:14] Voice 7: Pardon me while I get my details in order here.

[0:00:21] Voice 7: I want to begin today by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather in the territory of Coast Salish peoples.

[0:00:43] Voice 7: We respectfully acknowledge that Hornby Island is the unceded traditional territory of the

[0:00:51] Voice 7: Comox First Nations, the traditional keepers of these lands and waters.

[0:00:56] Voice 7: My name is Tim Peterson.

[0:00:57] Voice 7: I'm elected on Mesquite Island and I'm the chair of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:02] Voice 7: Joining me today are local Hornby Island trustees Grant Scott and Alex

[0:01:06] Voice 7: Allen and together we

[0:01:08] Voice 7: make up the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:09] Voice 7: Committee. This meeting is being live streamed and recorded. And I see that Regional Director

[0:01:16] Voice 7: Daniel Arbour is joining us today. Glad to see you here. And we're also joined by our

[0:01:24] Voice 7: planners Sonia Zipanek and Lisa Millard is our meeting administrator. This meeting is

[0:01:30] Voice 7: an official forum for the Local Trust Committee to make decisions about land use planning

[0:01:34] Voice 7: matters and to discuss relevant business. Also want to add that this is a place of employment

[0:01:39] Voice 7: and despite the fact that some staff may be in their own homes, our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:51] Voice 7: So we do have an agenda before us, and I'll just look to trustees to see if there are any amendments to the agenda today.

[0:01:58] Voice 7: Not seeing any, can I take it by general consent, we'll adopt the agenda as presented.

[0:02:04] Voice 7: So to start off, we have trustee reports, and I'll look to the trustees to offer today.

[0:02:11] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[0:02:12] Voice 7: you so i just want to thank everybody here for the letters they wrote the emails they wrote they're

[0:02:20] Voice 7: they're all very

[0:02:20] Voice 6: thoughtful everybody i feel on this island we all have the same objective we want

[0:02:27] Voice 6: to protect the beauty of the place we want to protect the character we want to protect preserve

[0:02:33] Voice 6: and protect

[0:02:34] Voice 7: which is the mandate of the trust and that's that's what we all want to do now the whole

[0:02:39] Voice 7: issue around short-term vacation rentals and capping as all of you know in this room

[0:02:46] Voice 7: out there in the world there is

[0:02:48] Voice 6: caps from zero to i'm not sure the top end of it but what we have

[0:02:56] Voice 6: we have

[0:02:57] Voice 7: an opportunity to make it unique to hornby island we can set that cap at a number

[0:03:02] Voice 7: we can put conditions around that but that might be we can put conditions of how that temporary

[0:03:07] Voice 7: use permit be

[0:03:09] Voice 6: able to apply can work and i think that's what we want to work towards over the

[0:03:13] Voice 6: the next short while and it's our challenge collectively to come up with with what those

[0:03:21] Voice 6: issues and those numbers and conditions will

[0:03:26] Voice 7: be because it's going to last on hornby for a long

[0:03:29] Voice 7: time probably 10 or 15 years it takes a long time to get when these bylaws so post ep and land use

[0:03:36] Voice 7: bylaws are reviewed and revised so i'm hoping we get to that soon get that done and that's

[0:03:47] Voice 7: pretty much what i had to say thank you justin scott trust yellow you know i echo uh that's

[0:03:54] Voice 7: justin scott's uh report there and i just want to say that i'm not anti-terrorism i know

[0:04:01] Voice 7: vacation rentals are long traditional on the island they contribute to our economy and society

[0:04:06] Voice 7: society enable them to produce income and live on our island so I'm I'm not anti-terrorism

[0:04:12] Voice 7: uh yeah we threw up by number 67 just to start the conversation it's not uh stuck in stone

[0:04:19] Voice 7: it's just we need to move on I mean in 2005 I was on the ABC committee we're discussing

[0:04:26] Voice 7: this very topic vacation medals and then 2011 I ran and uh I ran because of I was four vacation

[0:04:32] Voice 7: vacation. But then it was 10, you know, 10 people back then.

[0:04:36] Voice 7: And, and so we all know, since 2006, the with Airbnb, it's

[0:04:42] Voice 7: totally changed. And we don't even know how many are out there.

[0:04:45] Voice 7: And I did look at the registries won't bring up what he was on

[0:04:50] Voice 7: here, in terms of 2025. Provincial registry, but I just

[0:04:55] Voice 7: want to put out that I really am not. I love this island. And I'm

[0:05:00] Voice 7: I'm not trying to, I'm not an economy killer, and I just think that we all, I mean, I really think we've come a long way in history, I don't know, and the trust, you know, we've kind of, we've looked at, you're okay about temporary permits, you know, we possibly look at a cap, and then we're going to be, so we really have come a long way, and I really, and I want to just carry on with our direction.

[0:05:20] Voice 7: I'm not your enemy, and I just want you guys to know that the scares and the looks I've had in the last once and a half have been really fun.

[0:05:30] Voice 7: They make me just want to run away, but I can't right now.

[0:05:34] Voice 7: So anyways, let's just work on this together, and let's move on.

[0:05:39] Voice 7: I really think all this can meet halfway.

[0:05:44] Voice 7: Let's get this on, because I really know I'm not trying to kill a slide, all right?

[0:05:48] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[0:05:50] Voice 7: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[0:05:52] Voice 7: And so for my chair's report,

[0:05:56] Voice 7: let's see, trust council in March elected a new chair,

[0:06:01] Voice 7: Laura Patrick from Salt Spring Island,

[0:06:04] Voice 7: also passed the budget.

[0:06:06] Voice 7: This is the first year we've had data from the province,

[0:06:10] Voice 7: which allows us to show that the average value of a property

[0:06:15] Voice 7: in the trust area is around $825,000.

[0:06:20] Voice 7: And this year's tax increase on that average property

[0:06:27] Voice 7: would amount to a $32 increase.

[0:06:31] Voice 7: Also, Trust Council updated the strategic plan

[0:06:35] Voice 7: and approved it and passed a meeting procedures bylaw

[0:06:40] Voice 7: for the entire trust area.

[0:06:42] Voice 7: So Trust Council's asked for that bylaw

[0:06:44] Voice 7: to come to the June Trust Council for adoption.

[0:06:46] Voice 7: And if it is adopted, then it will be in effect for all local trust committees, superseding the existing individual meeting procedures bylaws.

[0:06:59] Voice 7: Trust Council also transferred the policy statement work to the Trust Programs Committee.

[0:07:07] Voice 7: Let's see, in April, I attended the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities Convention.

[0:07:14] Voice 7: convention uh met with uh minister osborne and mr um britney anderson and mr malcolmson

[0:07:25] Voice 7: um we heard from bc nurses union about their challenges with recruitment and retention

[0:07:32] Voice 7: and uh the president of the dynamo medical staff association uh presented some uh rather alarming

[0:07:40] Voice 8: alarming

[0:07:40] Voice 7: data about the almost equal of populations of vancouver island as split north south at

[0:07:45] Voice 7: the malahat and the inequities of facilities and capacity between the two regions if you

[0:07:52] Voice 7: draw the line there shortages of bed staffing no cath lab there's only two cardiologists

[0:07:59] Voice 7: north of the malahat and uh the failure of the animal hospital to pass a seismic review

[0:08:06] Voice 7: view uh let's have we got here um cao

[0:08:17] Voice 2: performance evaluation committee uh continues to meet and i

[0:08:21] Voice 2: think things are going well with our new cao um committee of

[0:08:26] Voice 7: the home at may 6 to consider the

[0:08:28] Voice 7: islands trust council statement on the scope and meaning of section 3 of the islands trust

[0:08:33] Voice 7: that's the object or mandate um the uh house of provincially mandated housing needs assessments

[0:08:43] Voice 7: are out um when you look at them don't be surprised if they don't um kind of make sense

[0:08:51] Voice 7: to you because all the ones i've looked at uh so far don't really make sense to the islands that

[0:08:58] Voice 7: uh that they're related to and there's there's problems with the way the data is gathered and

[0:09:04] Voice 7: applied in these assessments um but the province says we must do it and we have to follow their

[0:09:11] Voice 7: um methodology so we get what we get out of that and

[0:09:15] Voice 2: then finally i'll just let everyone know

[0:09:17] Voice 2: there is a a

[0:09:19] Voice 7: new pre-budget survey which is now available online on the website and this

[0:09:25] Voice 7: This has been the first time that we've started

[0:09:27] Voice 7: budget consultation this early in the cycle

[0:09:30] Voice 7: as we just passed the budget in March.

[0:09:32] Voice 7: So we're trialing this new input early

[0:09:37] Voice 7: rather than wait until we've got a draft budget.

[0:09:41] Voice 7: So I'll leave it there for my staff or my chair's report.

[0:09:45] Voice 7: And I'm going to turn it over to our regional director,

[0:09:49] Voice 7: Daniel Harper and welcome today.

[0:09:52] Voice 7: Thanks,

[0:09:54] Voice 2: Chair. It's nice to see you. And I just have a couple of brief updates. I know you have a good agenda today. So the first one is on Monday, the CVRD board approved to move to tender for the boat ramp build.

[0:10:12] Voice 2: So this will go to tender with hope to start the building in June would mean that people would lose access to the boat ramp for much of the summer.

[0:10:24] Voice 2: But at the same time, we'll get a great replacement that hopefully will last for the next 50 years.

[0:10:29] Voice 2: And I can assure you we are engaged with Comox First Nation as this is on the seashore and Island Trust.

[0:10:38] Voice 2: I think maybe there's been some correspondence with CVRD staff.

[0:10:43] Voice 2: Um, uh, otherwise, um, as I mentioned, as we discussed before, we, we did go to, uh,

[0:10:51] Voice 2: electoral assent on the creation of a housing authority for the Comox Valley.

[0:10:56] Voice 2: And since I last saw you, this has actually gone through.

[0:10:59] Voice 2: So we're going to be the seventh jurisdiction in BC to have a housing authority.

[0:11:04] Voice 2: And we're already engaged with nonprofit, um, housing associations across the Comox

[0:11:10] Voice 2: Monks Valley to see how that might best serve and support their efforts.

[0:11:16] Voice 2: As you know, the Beulah Creek project is currently getting completed,

[0:11:20] Voice 2: but there's already groups on Hornby looking at the next opportunities,

[0:11:26] Voice 2: and we are corresponding with them.

[0:11:30] Voice 2: I think that's all I will leave it at.

[0:11:32] Voice 2: I do want to mention that it's with great regret that, you know,

[0:11:37] Voice 2: there was a a serious incident uh this morning on hornby island and and i i we will wait for

[0:11:44] Voice 2: formal channels to communicate that to to residents but i just want to i'd be remiss if

[0:11:50] Voice 2: i didn't note it that we suffered a loss today and uh and more details will will come on that

[0:11:56] Voice 2: later thank you chair thank you director harvard

[0:12:04] Voice 2: okay sorry we'll all

[0:12:05] Voice 7: do our best to project a little better from from up here um next we have

[0:12:11] Voice 7: a spot for the island stress conservancy report i don't know that we have a representative

[0:12:14] Voice 7: joining us at this meeting but we're going to try and do that for one of our upcoming meetings

[0:12:20] Voice 7: and so next is the public comment period now we have 15 minutes allotted in our meeting procedures

[0:12:28] Voice 7: procedures by law but obviously there's a lot of people here that probably want to speak today

[0:12:32] Voice 7: so i think we're going to be flexible on this um there's a couple of i think actually i'd look to

[0:12:38] Voice 7: staff i don't think there's a lot of um time uh sensitive pieces on the rest of our agenda so we

[0:12:46] Voice 5: may have to defer some of our of our agenda pieces for later but i'll once we're through

[0:12:51] Voice 5: uh some public comment then i'll look to staff to see

[0:12:54] Voice 7: if we need to defer anything

[0:12:55] Voice 7: thing on that um however uh so um in the interest of letting everybody speak um who would like to

[0:13:07] Voice 7: speak uh i'm going to try and be systematic and i'm going to ask you all to um be clear and concise

[0:13:15] Voice 2: um use respectful language speak to issues not individuals

[0:13:20] Voice 6: and uh and

[0:13:23] Voice 7: when i mean when i say

[0:13:24] Voice 7: concise i mean please be as concise as you possibly can i'm going to give a maximum of

[0:13:29] Voice 7: three minutes per speaker in respect that there's a lot of people in the room that i still want to

[0:13:34] Voice 7: speak um so if we if you hear the timer go off that means i'm about to ask you to wrap it up

[0:13:42] Voice 7: um so with that i'm gonna look for a show of hands and i'll start on one side of the room and

[0:13:47] Voice 7: work my way around okay so i think what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna start over here uh with

[0:13:57] Voice 7: the folks on the benches here and um and then i'll sort of work my way through here

[0:14:05] Voice 7: so please go ahead sure my name is alex mortal i uh i've grown up on the island been here since

[0:14:11] Voice 7: uh summer since 1979 uh my parents sorry sorry my parents

[0:14:17] Voice 6: own their property we rented our

[0:14:19] Voice 6: property before we got here in the 70s i grew up coming as a kid to this rented property

[0:14:24] Voice 4: My

[0:14:25] Voice 6: wife and I have

[0:14:25] Voice 4: since moved on and bought our own property which was an existing rental which we now rent out

[0:14:32] Voice 6: periodically in the summertime.

[0:14:34] Voice 6: We're not using it. I think the ability to rent has enabled my family to come

[0:14:39] Voice 4: and spend the summers here.

[0:14:41] Voice 4: My two kids work at the co-op. My third kid's about to get a job at the co-op.

[0:14:45] Voice 4: I think if we don't have the ability to rent, I'm not so sure we would spend

[0:14:48] Voice 6: all summer here.

[0:14:50] Voice 6: so there would be an impact on our place we have the new license we've got a new septic system we

[0:14:56] Voice 6: have a house that sleeps six we

[0:14:59] Voice 7: meet all the kind of requirements and uh i sure would like to not be

[0:15:04] Voice 7: opted out of an arbitrary cutoff number and so i feel this number that's been proposed is pretty

[0:15:11] Voice 6: it's kind of odd um as i wouldn't want to it would be hard to be cut off of that and it would

[0:15:18] Voice 6: hard to obviously be let in because there'll be other people that will be cut

[0:15:21] Voice 7: off and that's going

[0:15:21] Voice 7: to what you have to say thank you and that's ourselves more hands over on this side go ahead

[0:15:32] Voice 6: yes i think mike you know i i submitted a letter to the project you can read my comments there so

[0:15:38] Voice 6: like i have a question is there a motion on the floor i saw as the correspondent but alex said

[0:15:44] Voice 6: there wasn't any specific proposal people suggested so are we addressing a specific

[0:15:49] Voice 6: a motion here taking

[0:15:50] Voice 7: from what's been circulated generally so we are going to be uh getting into

[0:15:57] Voice 7: uh a staff report on the project um the motion made at the last meeting however uh i just want

[0:16:07] Voice 7: to identify that nothing is particularly final as as far as the project goes we also have agreed

[0:16:16] Voice 7: that we're going to delay any final decisions until we hear back from Comox First Nations

[0:16:26] Voice 7: for July 1st. So yeah, that's sort of the status. Unless there's something else happening today,

[0:16:36] Voice 7: I don't want to presuppose, but there is presently there's just what's on the agenda

[0:16:41] Voice 7: is where we're at, and we're going to see where we're going to get today.

[0:16:44] Voice 7: Okay, and moving along here, is there a hand there?

[0:16:50] Voice 7: Oh, whoever, yeah, you go ahead and then.

[0:16:58] Voice 7: Karen, you go.

[0:17:02] Voice 7: My name is Karen Ross.

[0:17:04] Voice 7: I want to thank the trustees.

[0:17:06] Voice 7: I know that you're in an extremely difficult position

[0:17:09] Voice 7: and like Alex, I think it leads us all to work together

[0:17:15] Voice 7: I would like to suggest that we wait and find out what the provincial registry numbers are

[0:17:21] Voice 7: that would be a good place to start with looking at those that are in compliance and following all

[0:17:28] Voice 7: the rules and it acknowledges the importance of our summer community our seasonal residents

[0:17:35] Voice 7: to the discussion as taxpayers don't harm me I think that's really important

[0:17:40] Voice 7: important. So what I really want to talk about this second thing is that the public use zoning

[0:17:47] Voice 7: is on the agenda. I feel it might easily be overlooked in the discussions that we're doing.

[0:17:53] Voice 7: And it's really important to get that error corrected and separated out from the bigger

[0:18:00] Voice 7: discussions around zoning amendments and OCP. So I would really ask that today we push through on

[0:18:07] Voice 7: that PUA amendment to allow the community housing on the PUA land. It's important for

[0:18:14] Voice 7: affordable workforce housing to be able to stay in the wings. So thank you for considering

[0:18:20] Voice 7: that.

[0:18:21] Voice 7: Thank you very much. Next, down this side.

[0:18:26] Voice 5: My name is . In Vancouver last month, Jane Goodall said, if you never talk to people,

[0:18:35] Voice 5: how do you expect them to change in that spirit i ask you to please hold on to making any decisions

[0:18:40] Voice 5: today and let the cap of 67 be the starting point for community discussion i think facebook

[0:18:46] Voice 5: conversations like community connections this past week has shown you so much to talk about

[0:18:50] Voice 5: with one another and choosing a number today would be a missed opportunity for our community

[0:18:55] Voice 5: to work together to find consensus to learn about and from one another and to build something

[0:19:00] Voice 5: been strong together. I believe it is very important for people who are directly affected

[0:19:05] Voice 5: by any legislation to have a say in its making. Right now, there are a lot of people worrying

[0:19:09] Voice 5: about what will happen if they don't get one of the coverage they said, and wondering what

[0:19:13] Voice 5: will happen to their jobs, their retirements, and their family homes. We think between 89

[0:19:18] Voice 5: to 105 vacationers or owners have registered in the province so far, which means that they

[0:19:24] Voice 5: are collecting and paying taxes which help Hornby and the province, demonstrating their

[0:19:29] Voice 5: hope and willingness to achieve its UP eventually and doing things in a specific way. I think this

[0:19:35] Voice 5: deserves recognition and consideration. While I don't believe in collective guilt, I do believe

[0:19:40] Voice 5: in collective responsibility. I was shocked to learn this week what requirements still exist

[0:19:44] Voice 5: in some of our vacation homes. Obviously, I still have more to learn about what's happening up there.

[0:19:50] Voice 5: In focusing on the LDB and the OCP revision, I see how history has taken our eyes off our

[0:19:56] Voice 5: first priority, which is best practices. I realize you can't wait any longer to get back to them and

[0:20:01] Voice 5: work on financing solutions. I want to say there is good in vacation rentals on Army. We are finally

[0:20:08] Voice 5: starting to see some steam from the MRDT funds collected over the last three years. Vacation

[0:20:13] Voice 5: rentals provide jobs for locals, it supports works for artists and artisans, as well as other

[0:20:18] Voice 5: island businesses, and it provides an important chance for our fellow British Columbians to enjoy

[0:20:23] Voice 5: and restore nature's powers of nature. I'd like to get our visitors involved in more community

[0:20:29] Voice 5: projects like the island full last weekend and offer them ways to get invested in what's special

[0:20:33] Voice 5: and important to us. I ask you to please hold off on your decision give us a chance to connect

[0:20:39] Voice 5: and share our ideas with one another. We are a strong community and I will not believe that we

[0:20:44] Voice 5: are not so far apart in what we think that we can't talk with one another and build something

[0:20:48] Voice 5: can not only be made but be admired by the world over i

[0:20:59] Voice 7: neglected to mention at the beginning um

[0:21:03] Voice 7: please no clapping and also no bullying um and uh i'm gonna go here before i go down

[0:21:10] Voice 7: and then i'm gonna finish coming down the wall go ahead my name is annie fearman my family has

[0:21:16] Voice 7: been on hornby island for 101 years we have been residents here we own fossil beach farm

[0:21:24] Voice 7: I am very horrified at the thought of this happening

[0:21:27] Voice 7: because a lot of the young women that I work with

[0:21:31] Voice 7: that might choose children to come to the preschool

[0:21:34] Voice 7: work in the city.

[0:21:35] Voice 7: And I, like, I had no idea how many of them there were.

[0:21:39] Voice 7: And now I'm starting to see that it's a lot of them.

[0:21:43] Voice 7: It's been exciting for me to see some of my former children.

[0:21:47] Voice 7: I've lived at the daycare for 40 years.

[0:21:49] Voice 7: I'm about to retire in six weeks.

[0:21:52] Voice 7: Some of my children have come back,

[0:21:53] Voice 7: and have started a business on money doing rentals and these people try really hard to do something

[0:22:00] Voice 7: really really nice and it's amazing some of the people you know who come for the rentals

[0:22:05] Voice 7: they come back and they become our chiropractors they become a lot of things on one hand and a lot

[0:22:12] Voice 7: of them during covid we had people who solved the reason that the cree children in quebec were dying

[0:22:18] Voice 7: we have scientists we have lots of people those people bring money they give insight they bring

[0:22:25] Voice 7: a lot of things to hornby island and i would really like to see this have a lot more thought

[0:22:30] Voice 7: put into it thank you okay thank you for that continuing down the side of all here go ahead

[0:22:36] Voice 7: okay my name is bernita wexler i am going on 40 years now living here on morning

[0:22:42] Voice 7: when i first came by the way it's nice to see so many people here it shows you how important this

[0:22:48] Voice 7: I can't remember the last time

[0:22:50] Voice 7: that the hall was filled with some

[0:22:52] Voice 7: weapons.

[0:22:57] Voice 7: Besides dances

[0:22:58] Voice 7: and art.

[0:23:00] Voice 7: When I first came in

[0:23:02] Voice 7: 1985, there were a handful

[0:23:04] Voice 7: of rentals.

[0:23:07] Voice 7: We called them

[0:23:08] Voice 7: vacation rentals.

[0:23:09] Voice 7: They were just rentals.

[0:23:11] Voice 7: There didn't seem to be any

[0:23:14] Voice 7: talk about it. There didn't seem to be any

[0:23:15] Voice 7: threat on the infrastructure or anything and now it's completely blown out of proportion um sure

[0:23:25] Voice 7: people need it for their income but lots of people don't so there has to be some way to get to the

[0:23:33] Voice 7: crux of this and i think putting a cap is a very good idea and um

[0:23:39] Voice 7: um the the random number of 67 i think is totally reasonable i mean i don't know how you're gonna do

[0:23:51] Voice 7: it but i do think it's totally reasonable okay thank

[0:23:58] Voice 3: you is there

[0:23:58] Voice 2: anyone else along this wall

[0:24:00] Voice 2: i'm going for the wall first no okay then i'm gonna go um i'm gonna start with the front row

[0:24:06] Voice 2: here i know there was one in the front row i believe one

[0:24:09] Voice 4: or two two in the front row go ahead

[0:24:12] Voice 4: uh well my my call number is 881 so i've been there a while and uh and when we find when we

[0:24:20] Voice 4: found the bottom place about 25 years ago we didn't know anything about this anything like

[0:24:25] Voice 4: that but uh we were we we rented it out first because we couldn't be here in the winter we

[0:24:30] Voice 4: want to make sure that my property wasn't it wasn't i like it but i don't think it's been

[0:24:36] Voice 4: and crazy. Since then, my back cabin is a regular space for a lot of people who come

[0:24:46] Voice 4: and are having a very good time. They come for a few days

[0:24:52] Voice 10: and then

[0:24:53] Voice 4: move on. And they

[0:24:55] Voice 4: all buy, they don't buy pottery from our shop, we're happy about that, but they also

[0:25:00] Voice 4: buy from everyone. And they also contribute to the feeling of it. And people, when they

[0:25:07] Voice 4: say they're worried about private crowding i'd say well y'all i got this gate i told you

[0:25:12] Voice 4: that's all that's here so uh i would i would like to see that that could continue to happen and yes

[0:25:18] Voice 4: i do feel that the numbers i heard seem pretty arbitrary charging if we have to work out a cap

[0:25:23] Voice 4: i think we need to put more thought into it okay thank you there was one more in

[0:25:28] Voice 7: the front row

[0:25:35] Voice 7: we've been coming here for approximately 30 years and we are relatively recent homeowners

[0:25:42] Voice 7: we are not renters but i i'm wondering whether or not there is a is a criteria that is being

[0:25:50] Voice 7: being established for what would

[0:25:59] Voice 8: or

[0:26:00] Voice 7: wouldn't work to meet the needs of rentals.

[0:26:06] Voice 7: So if there's a criteria that's being established that sets out whether it's the aquifers or

[0:26:15] Voice 7: I don't know, a criteria that's formally being established to determine whether or not somebody

[0:26:20] Voice 7: is eligible yeah and i'm just i know there are some things in the existing bylaws but uh i don't

[0:26:29] Voice 7: know if staff have any comment at this point or you want to wait till we get into the project okay

[0:26:34] Voice 7: all right so i'm going to try and do this so that uh this

[0:26:39] Voice 6: works as best as possible so i'm going to

[0:26:41] Voice 6: go all the way back to those on the stage was there some back there i'll go stage and then

[0:26:46] Voice 6: on the second one. So stage.

[0:26:51] Voice 5: My name is George.

[0:26:55] Voice 5: You're on the island with the

[0:26:57] Voice 7: way my parents still have a place

[0:26:59] Voice 5: here, my

[0:27:00] Voice 7: grandparents have a place here. And over the years,

[0:27:06] Voice 7: there have been issues with temporary use permits. So it's

[0:27:09] Voice 7: one way to maybe make this topic a little easier. But it's also a

[0:27:15] Voice 7: way to pitch the community against each other. Quite often

[0:27:18] Voice 7: people here have applied for temporary use permits for whatever reason and I'm sure they can agree

[0:27:23] Voice 7: that there are a lot of people there which we thought of not in my backyard so you get

[0:27:30] Voice 7: people will oppose it it'll create tension between my grandmother she opposed gallery does

[0:27:37] Voice 7: being set up next to her place and there was a temporary use permit so she got signatures they

[0:27:44] Voice 7: got seen it got down to where one of the neighbors that was renting threatened to poison

[0:27:50] Voice 5: our land so

[0:27:51] Voice 5: i just want to put that out there that temporary use permits while they might seem like a solution

[0:27:57] Voice 5: to passing this cap it has to be thought about very carefully because the last thing we want to

[0:28:03] Voice 5: do is tear this community apart and seeing how many people are here opposed to the last meeting

[0:28:10] Voice 5: i came to uh it's amazing that this community is

[0:28:13] Voice 10: is here today and it's really uh i have a little

[0:28:21] Voice 10: bit of being here on and off

[0:28:23] Voice 5: the island i've seen people who have just heard a financial emergency

[0:28:27] Voice 5: over the summer move out of their house rent it out

[0:28:31] Voice 7: on a temporary basis just to top up over

[0:28:34] Voice 7: over that year to make it so that they can afford to stay here and i really

[0:28:40] Voice 5: strongly believe that

[0:28:42] Voice 5: the cap and the temporary use permit will alienate these people because when there's

[0:28:49] Voice 5: a financial situation it's not something where you can apply for a temporary use permit

[0:28:53] Voice 7: and you

[0:28:54] Voice 7: can have it all done it's

[0:28:56] Voice 8: you need the money now maybe you can move out in

[0:29:03] Voice 7: the first edition or

[0:29:04] Voice 7: online rent out a place for a month or two and get by so that's something that needs to be considered

[0:29:10] Voice 7: thank you okay thank you um next i'm going to go through the second row here

[0:29:18] Voice 7: thank you sir hi my name is manny nicholas my wife and i we have a cottage here

[0:29:25] Voice 7: we also rent it out probably 130 140 nights per year and it's almost exclusively to repeat

[0:29:36] Voice 7: customers with

[0:29:38] Voice 6: books almost completely booked for this summer 90% of the customers july and august

[0:29:45] Voice 6: for the next year 100% of the customers if we're not allowed to rent our place it will sit

[0:29:53] Voice 6: because we're not going to rent it to long-term renters because we want to

[0:30:00] Voice 6: so we have to ask what's better for the community for us to be able to rent our place to have people

[0:30:05] Voice 6: come in and spend money on the old city and our artworks or how to sit so i guess that's

[0:30:14] Voice 6: a question for the community either way we'll probably keep our

[0:30:16] Voice 7: place it's just a question of

[0:30:24] Voice 7: okay and did i see another hand in the second row go ahead sir

[0:30:30] Voice 7: sorry sorry i'm trying to do this in my logic this second row from the front here i saw a couple of

[0:30:37] Voice 7: hands here go ahead sir what am i face everyone

[0:30:40] Voice 3: please don't have you can perhaps hear me hi it's

[0:30:44] Voice 3: good to see some familiar faces my name is ian bullen my mother is beverly bullen who is on

[0:30:48] Voice 3: whaling station bay for about 35 or i think they bought back in 68 so we're a second generation

[0:30:55] Voice 3: Hornby family. And I think this situation is frequent for many people in here. And I know

[0:31:02] Voice 3: there are many people who, for example, right now we are renting for about nine weeks and we come in

[0:31:08] Voice 3: and do all the cleaning in between. And that helps us afford and upgrade and do all the things we

[0:31:15] Voice 3: need to do to maintain our property. I'm incredibly thankful for the work that Hystra has done to help

[0:31:20] Voice 3: us be you know in compliance and understand with everything um and i think that's a great thing and

[0:31:25] Voice 3: i think it's also good to have some sort of mechanism to have uh to make sure the properties

[0:31:31] Voice 3: that are doing that are completely in compliance with water use and so on and some people may not

[0:31:35] Voice 3: know that the septic inspections that we're required to do they are for the use of the house

[0:31:41] Voice 3: so it's not like like people here now in the summer and and they're going to go above the

[0:31:49] Voice 3: already permitted use of a house right it's already permitted for the use that it's there

[0:31:54] Voice 3: it's not like you're doing some you know something that's beyond permitted level of water use that's

[0:32:01] Voice 3: one of the things i wanted to say i am okay with a cap i think what the fuel and the fire has been

[0:32:07] Voice 3: is that there's some argument that the number is like way under what we expect uh as the number of

[0:32:12] Voice 3: people who are doing that like it was thought to be 130 seems to be around 90 of people who are

[0:32:17] Voice 3: you know willing to be in compliance and do all that and register and so i certainly think that

[0:32:22] Voice 3: number should be around what it currently is and let it go down from there um so that's my opinion

[0:32:29] Voice 3: on that and we're i'm also in agreement with what you'll probably hear from histra uh later here

[0:32:34] Voice 3: today also with such a wonderful number of people here like we should have a potluck or something

[0:32:39] Voice 10: anyway

[0:32:40] Voice 3: thank you for all your consideration and uh i think that that number shouldn't be below

[0:32:46] Voice 3: what's you know a current approximation of where people are at that's what the real problem seems

[0:32:51] Voice 3: to be yeah

[0:32:52] Voice 7: thank you okay thank you i think there's one more in the second round my name is

[0:32:58] Voice 7: i just want to read a note that was sent out to mr members it was also sent out to the trustees

[0:33:09] Voice 7: but some of you may not be aware of it so i'm just like everybody

[0:33:15] Voice 6: first of all uh we support reasonable vacation rental management and control growth to help

[0:33:22] Voice 6: preserve harmony's natural environment

[0:33:24] Voice 7: and the rural character to move ahead with broad

[0:33:27] Voice 7: community support district and its members i recommend the following first of all a is

[0:33:34] Voice 7: fairness to existing operators allow all

[0:33:39] Voice 6: legally operating vacation rentals to continue

[0:33:43] Voice 7: with a process if it's the tup it's the dup but uh the support full-time residents consider changes

[0:33:52] Voice 6: that support principal residents this may warrant

[0:33:55] Voice 7: deferring second reading and directing staff to

[0:33:57] Voice 7: revise the bylaws to include ideas such as exemption from the cap right but not the tup

[0:34:05] Voice 7: PUP,

[0:34:06] Voice 6: extend the season rental seasons for permanent residents or principal residents,

[0:34:12] Voice 6: and reduce or defer PUP fees.

[0:34:17] Voice 6: To meet these priorities, we request changes, request for changes for the bylaws, make changes

[0:34:24] Voice 6: to help full-time residents, add provisions

[0:34:26] Voice 7: to help full-time residents and not to harm

[0:34:29] Voice 7: part-time residents.

[0:34:29] Voice 7: it. Introduce a cap, but set

[0:34:34] Voice 6: it later. Set the cap later. Add a maximum number of vacation

[0:34:39] Voice 6: rentals operating under TUPs. Just again, set

[0:34:42] Voice 7: it at a future date. Enable transitioning

[0:34:46] Voice 7: to licensing. CRD vacation rental licenses become available. TUP rules and caps may transition

[0:34:54] Voice 7: transition to that system defined short-term as less than 30 days additional

[0:35:01] Voice 6: traditionally sorry

[0:35:02] Voice 6: we ask that you can affirm your intentions and pass a resolution to confirm all legally

[0:35:08] Voice 6: operating Provincial registered uh rentals that apply in 12 months of the TUP program start and

[0:35:15] Voice 6: meet requirements and will receive a TUP that's

[0:35:21] Voice 7: going to keep the side chatter down please thank

[0:35:23] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:35:24] Voice 7: Let

[0:35:25] Voice 6: the cap be set through community consultation.

[0:35:28] Voice 7: If

[0:35:29] Voice 6: the number of granted TUVs exceed the cap,

[0:35:33] Voice 6: no new TUVs will be issued until the numbers fall for the lowest cap.

[0:35:38] Voice 6: So if the existing numbers are 100 and you want 67,

[0:35:43] Voice 6: let's make it 100 to start with.

[0:35:45] Voice 6: And then through attrition, come down to 67.

[0:35:48] Voice 6: That hurts less

[0:35:50] Voice 7: for everybody.

[0:35:54] Voice 7: These changes balance environment and

[0:35:56] Voice 6: community goals with fairness for current operators.

[0:36:01] Voice 6: They allow for a natural reduction in

[0:36:04] Voice 7: rentals over time, giving families and workers time to adjust without disruption.

[0:36:09] Voice 7: By accepting our ideas, you can support full-time residents, manage vacation rental growth, move to changes forward with community support,

[0:36:17] Voice 7: for and not for values of fairness, community,

[0:36:20] Voice 8: of substance, but of sustainability,

[0:36:27] Voice 8: big

[0:36:27] Voice 7: words in there, okay?

[0:36:29] Voice 7: Sincerely, the HISTO Board.

[0:36:32] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[0:36:34] Voice 7: So now I'm gonna go to the very last row.

[0:36:38] Voice 7: Very back row, you're not in the back row here.

[0:36:40] Voice 7: Very back row, I'm gonna start on this side.

[0:36:43] Voice 7: Please go ahead.

[0:36:44] Voice 7: You.

[0:36:46] Voice 7: You might need to stand up and try and project.

[0:36:53] Voice 7: it's hard to get out of this chair

[0:36:56] Voice 7: my name is lily

[0:36:58] Voice 7: my partner and i are preparing to

[0:37:00] Voice 7: welcome a child

[0:37:01] Voice 7: and like any parents we were thinking hard about

[0:37:04] Voice 7: how the world works and stays here

[0:37:06] Voice 7: but what kind of community will we be raising

[0:37:08] Voice 7: our child in

[0:37:09] Voice 7: the truth is that our ability to live here

[0:37:15] Voice 7: and to raise a family here depends on the

[0:37:17] Voice 7: income they receive from short term

[0:37:19] Voice 7: vacation rentals

[0:37:20] Voice 7: It's not extra, it's essential. It's what helps cover

[0:37:24] Voice 8: driving costs and stay rooted in a place we've chosen and committed to.

[0:37:31] Voice 8: I'm

[0:37:31] Voice 7: asking for understanding. Any decision that cuts short-term rentals without fully understanding the consequences puts people like me, families like mine, at risk of being pushed out.

[0:37:41] Voice 7: I want to raise my calendar. I want to save. I want to contribute.

[0:37:45] Voice 7: But I need to know that the decisions made in the room with this one are considered a full picture, and the real people who live that picture every day. Thank you.

[0:37:54] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:37:57] Voice 7: Okay, very back row. I think he confused her.

[0:38:05] When my aunt Joan Humphrey passed away in 2008, she left her beloved cabin on board with

[0:38:10] Voice 7: four nephews and a niece.

[0:38:12] Voice 7: Being a musician was an actor and a stage manager.

[0:38:15] Voice 7: I had a living paycheck to paycheck, but there were no regular paychecks for any of us.

[0:38:21] Voice 7: If we hadn't been able to do short-term rentals, we would have had to defer property taxes

[0:38:26] Voice 7: in hopes that something would change down the road.

[0:38:29] Voice 7: But I think we all know where that can lead.

[0:38:31] Voice 7: We probably know people who end up having to sell when illness, death, or divorce came unexpectedly.

[0:38:38] Voice 7: The rental income we receive for just two months each summer is not supplemental, it

[0:38:43] Voice 7: is essential.

[0:38:44] Voice 7: It's how we pay our taxes and keep insurance on the place.

[0:38:47] Voice 7: Without it, we would have been forced to sell.

[0:38:50] Voice 7: I understand the concerns

[0:38:51] Voice 10: around SDRs, no names, water, septic, and long-term housing

[0:38:59] Voice 10: return here after years.

[0:39:00] Voice 10: I respect this island deeply.

[0:39:02] Voice 10: Our neighbors

[0:39:06] Voice 10: know they can call me if

[0:39:07] Voice 7: there's ever an issue, and now that I live here, here

[0:39:10] Voice 7: around, obviously, if you need a closer eye.

[0:39:12] Voice 7: But I don't support a cap

[0:39:14] Voice 7: or having SDRs manage to

[0:39:16] Voice 7: temporarily use them. A cap

[0:39:18] won't create long-term

[0:39:19] Voice 7: results. These homes

[0:39:20] Voice 7: are for use. It won't reduce

[0:39:22] Voice 7: traffic to hotspots. It will

[0:39:24] Voice 7: make people feel they have to live, even

[0:39:26] Voice 7: if they don't need to, just to keep them.

[0:39:28] Voice 7: It blocks families from

[0:39:30] Voice 7: adapting to unexpected

[0:39:32] Voice 7: hardship by sharing their homes

[0:39:34] Voice 7: and at risk creating an

[0:39:36] us-and-them environment.

[0:39:38] I believe a licensing system is

[0:39:40] something to design ourselves to meet our own unique forming needs i know history put forward

[0:39:47] a licensing proposal that was shared with

[0:39:49] Voice 7: the trustees and the cdrd should not be part of the

[0:39:53] Voice 7: discussion don't

[0:39:55] Voice 10: we want to see what's already been suggested sdrs

[0:40:03] Voice 7: have been called the element

[0:40:04] Voice 7: of environmental issues i'm honestly more concerned about the expansion of the tribune

[0:40:08] Voice 7: bay campground from what i understand the ltc had very little say over what the province decides

[0:40:14] Voice 7: Besides that, campers create many of the same impacts of being blamed on SDRs, but they don't pay a bill of tax or property taxes that is correct for the fact that Airbnb and the rise of private equity in real estate has put an ugly face on what has been, for many of us, a very long-form tradition in the PNC.

[0:40:34] Voice 7: I urge the LTC to pause implementing a cap, at least until we have the provincial registration data. Instead, please give serious consideration to a licensing system. Licensing could address legitimate concerns without threatening the economic sustainability of our entire community.

[0:40:52] Voice 7: Farmers, artists, tradespeople, long-time property owners, and many others who depend on this critical summer season income to continue.

[0:41:00] Voice 7: you okay thank you back row i think we're done with the very back row you're in the very back

[0:41:12] Voice 7: row go ahead hi i'm nancy um the only thing i would like to say is all this talk is all about

[0:41:22] Voice 7: money like does no one see the trees dying at all how many snakes have you seen how many

[0:41:35] talking

[0:41:38] Voice 8: with our birds like this is just not about money

[0:41:42] Voice 7: and we can't we don't have enough water to keep servicing all these people

[0:41:52] Voice 7: you know i i go for a cap a serious cap it's a serious regulation and okay people

[0:42:01] Voice 7: Some people have a temporary use permit, but who polices that?

[0:42:05] Voice 7: I've watched rentals all around me.

[0:42:08] Voice 7: 20 people showering, washing their kayaks,

[0:42:12] Voice 7: some people even washing their cars.

[0:42:15] Voice 7: Like, who's policing that?

[0:42:16] Voice 7: No one.

[0:42:17] Voice 7: If you live on your property and your rental is there,

[0:42:21] Voice 7: you see what's going on, but if you don't,

[0:42:24] Voice 7: and if you don't live on Harvey,

[0:42:26] Voice 7: you don't really understand how Harvey works.

[0:42:30] Voice 7: I'm so terrified for our natural environment that is our future that is who we are nobody

[0:42:38] Voice 8: talks about that don't mention water stuff they're going to skip on to the

[0:42:44] Voice 7: economic thing

[0:42:45] Voice 7: it's disgusting it horrifies me thank you okay

[0:42:50] Voice 5: thank you one more from the very very back there

[0:42:52] Voice 5: Hello,

[0:42:52] Voice 7: my name is Nicole, and I've been on this island for 31 years.

[0:42:57] Voice 8: My husband's very great.

[0:43:02] Voice 8: I'm here to try and stop you, or I think it's very new.

[0:43:06] Voice 7: I've been here for a vacation, and I can now sit down and die, and I'll be able to

[0:43:11] talk about property.

[0:43:12] Voice 7: I have a water record here.

[0:43:17] Voice 7: This is talking about water in the big century.

[0:43:19] Voice 7: Basically, my guests are using two days, 74 gallons, five days, 200 gallons, and we're

[0:43:25] Voice 7: talking about three to seven gas a year.

[0:43:27] Voice 7: My question is to everybody that's here, if we're going to be a sustainable country and not a dead island, there is two months of the year that our beautiful beaches that are unique in all of Canada need to be shared by more than 60 people on this island.

[0:43:41] Voice 7: Because we cannot live there if we

[0:43:43] Voice 8: expect people to stop and leave.

[0:43:48] Voice 8: So tourism on the island depends

[0:43:50] Voice 7: on short-term vacation rentals.

[0:43:52] Voice 7: and the other thing I'd like to ask

[0:43:54] Voice 7: the board is, I pay an MRBT

[0:43:56] Voice 7: 3% of my personal income

[0:43:58] Voice 7: and everybody here who has a short term

[0:44:00] Voice 7: vacation mentor is also paying that

[0:44:02] Voice 7: why don't you post that amount of money

[0:44:04] Voice 7: because it's a big amount of money to the community

[0:44:07] Voice 7: why don't you post it and let a little

[0:44:08] Voice 7: bit of pride and a little bit of goodness

[0:44:10] Voice 7: come from people who are working to keep their

[0:44:12] Voice 7: yards clean, their septic, their water

[0:44:14] Voice 7: buying water from a big cloud

[0:44:16] Voice 7: I buy it all so long and I record it

[0:44:18] Voice 7: so I know when I ask my guests

[0:44:20] Voice 7: to be careful with their water

[0:44:23] Voice 7: I rarely have guests that create huge problems, and if they do, I ask them to leave.

[0:44:33] Voice 7: Airbnb, we choose it because it also ensures the guests and their property.

[0:44:38] Voice 7: Airbnb is a representative portal to the government so that you can collect those taxes that we're doing housing with and many other things on property.

[0:44:46] Voice 7: Whether or not

[0:44:47] Voice 8: our trees are dying, we're dying all over Victoria.

[0:44:54] Voice 8: We

[0:44:55] Voice 7: do it so that our island is a community, and without it, none of this community is

[0:45:03] Voice 7: going to exist.

[0:45:04] Voice 7: A bunch of individual health, that's what we'll have here, with nobody getting to get

[0:45:09] Voice 7: it.

[0:45:09] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:45:10] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:45:12] Voice 2: Okay, I'm going to go third from the front here now.

[0:45:17] Voice 2: So I'm going to start over here.

[0:45:18] Voice 2: That's you.

[0:45:20] Voice 7: Hi everybody.

[0:45:22] Voice 7: My name is Lisa McCrosker.

[0:45:23] Voice 7: Welcome. I'm the wife of Peter England, who is the son of Sally and Dave England.

[0:45:29] Voice 7: I didn't want to speak to our kids, I didn't really want to be here, but we've known each other for a long time.

[0:45:35] Voice 7: We are one of the people that Andy spoke about that came here and came back to the community to start a vacation on his own,

[0:45:42] Voice 7: purely so that we could afford to keep my wife's property and our family.

[0:45:47] Voice 7: um and i hear people's concerns about the environment on hornby i

[0:45:53] Voice 8: hear people's concerns

[0:45:53] Voice 8: the water usage

[0:45:59] Voice 7: on hornby crosses i think that vacation rentals can be done in a respectful

[0:46:04] Voice 7: environmentally conscious way i think that in this day and age with housing prices at

[0:46:11] Voice 7: 800 and something thousand that's an average price for sorry

[0:46:21] Voice 6: yeah we'll just let's all respect each other's chance yeah

[0:46:25] Voice 7: and i think that um

[0:46:28] Voice 7: that there's like i said saying it's a way of doing things that can be mindful of the community

[0:46:32] Voice 7: but i think that this community is a place that is all about tourism this is a community that

[0:46:38] Voice 7: has had tourism since my husband's parents came here in the 70s my husband remembers

[0:46:43] Voice 7: members growing up, and a lot of his friends are people who came and visited Warnby, who

[0:46:48] Voice 7: have cabins here, and I think that's a part of what the culture of Warnby is, I hear people

[0:46:53] Voice 7: talk about it, and I think it's not just people

[0:46:57] Voice 8: who have lived here and raised here, but there's

[0:47:03] Voice 8: also people who have come out of

[0:47:05] Voice 7: the community in this night, and that's okay, if it's done

[0:47:08] Voice 7: in a way that's ecological, but tourism is what, I think about all the top owners, I

[0:47:16] Voice 7: think about all of the I think about our when we did our

[0:47:18] Voice 7: renovation. And I think if this was gone, what would those

[0:47:26] Voice 7: businesses do? What would they do around that? And speaking to

[0:47:31] Voice 7: this lady with attention about money, it's not just about

[0:47:34] Voice 7: money. It's about the community. And I think that it also is

[0:47:37] Voice 7: about being mindful of water use and things like that. But we

[0:47:41] Voice 7: also need to make sure that we're looking at the facts

[0:47:43] Voice 7: around what does that water usage look like? Are we running out of water?

[0:47:48] Voice 7: And I talked to David Cloud with the Order of Water, too.

[0:47:51] Voice 7: You know, he's talked about how there isn't much carbon water.

[0:47:55] Voice 7: But I can understand people's concern about that.

[0:47:57] Voice 7: And I can understand people's concern about ferry traffic.

[0:48:00] Voice 7: And I think that as long as we're looking at things and not just stereotyping SDRs as being negative,

[0:48:06] Voice 7: because I think that is a culture right now in the media and in the province,

[0:48:10] Voice 7: that STRs are looked at in a very negative light, but I think that we can do it in a way that's

[0:48:15] Voice 7: mindful and respectful of the community. We can look at the pieces and look at the facts around our water

[0:48:20] Voice 7: and look at the facts around our ferry usage and so on. I didn't realize three minutes was so short.

[0:48:28] Voice 7: Anyway, as a person who did not grow up here, but my husband and family did,

[0:48:33] Voice 7: this was the way that we were able to stay on this island and be here and be a part of this community.

[0:48:38] Voice 7: and if we weren't able to have this right when he was not able to do that because the cost of living

[0:48:43] Voice 7: is just so great and i just really appreciated our voices here and hear everyone's views and

[0:48:48] Voice 7: hope that we all have all our people and be able to come to something that's great so thank you

[0:48:52] Voice 6: okay i know i saw some more hands in this row i believe you're next ma'am

[0:48:57] Voice 7: hi my name is janet kennedy and people who can't be here today is asking you this

[0:49:03] Voice 7: hi all thank you for receiving these words you're so blessed to be able to offer our opinions

[0:49:09] Voice 7: perspectives and the facts that we have to share with each other and I am forever grateful to the Trust for this opportunity.

[0:49:17] Voice 7: I was anticipating being here today to continue witnessing and participating in this vital OCP and by-law review process,

[0:49:25] Voice 7: but I am only keeping my city terms to myself. This is what I would have raised my hand to say today.

[0:49:32] Voice 7: Number one, I am hoping that the drafts being proposed will go to second reading today in order to move the community consultation process forward.

[0:49:41] Voice 7: Many of us have been following and or participating in this process closely, and getting to this stage has seemed like a never ending journey.

[0:49:50] Voice 7: Much gratitude to you. Not to say that I agree with what is in these current drafts and events I have questions about,

[0:49:58] Voice 7: I want to see the process move forward to meaningful and thoughtful community discussion and equitable solutions.

[0:50:07] Voice 7: Number two, like many others, I have a lot of thoughts and worries and concerns and opinions

[0:50:12] Voice 7: as we move into this next phase of the OTC by-law review.

[0:50:16] Voice 7: At the same time, I understand that there is a process where all stakeholders will be consulted

[0:50:22] Voice 7: and all community members who want to be heard will be heard.

[0:50:26] Voice 7: As a preschool teacher, I have an infinite trust in the ability of folks to figure out a solution that is fair, equitable, and works for those currently affected by the disease, and those who will in the future be affected as well.

[0:50:41] Voice 7: Since three to five-year-olds can work within a process for the benefit of all, I totally believe that adults can too.

[0:50:48] Voice 7: Just like preschoolers, it is good to remind ourselves

[0:50:51] Voice 8: to listen to the other person's perspective.

[0:50:57] Voice 8: We don't know

[0:50:59] Voice 7: what their current thoughts are based on and so we listen with our heads and our hearts and the solution has to work for everyone.

[0:51:06] Voice 7: I believe that we are all here together and I trust in my mind and heart that everything works the best when we take care of each other for the benefit of all, not just focus on what works best for us as an individual or those like us.

[0:51:20] Voice 7: number three i have to say that with the current draft OCP and bylaws i worry most about all folks

[0:51:27] Voice 7: who are currently living in non-compliant illegal second dwellings just thankful to have a loop over

[0:51:33] Voice 7: their heads whatever it looks like and how much it costs and who may be feeling even more at risk

[0:51:39] Voice 7: given the new information about water vulnerability and the implications of secondary suites

[0:51:44] Voice 7: I look forward to figuring out how to keep our current community workers, contributors,

[0:51:50] Voice 7: elders, safely and comfortably housed first and foremost.

[0:51:55] Voice 7: I am troubled by the need to balance water availability and accessibility with the need

[0:52:00] Voice 7: to keep folks from being unhoused.

[0:52:05] Voice 7: Many long-term community

[0:52:06] Voice 10: members

[0:52:07] Voice 7: of all ages and stages and walks of life.

[0:52:10] Voice 7: i know that there are alternative solutions to ensuring there is adequate water and septic

[0:52:16] Voice 7: capacity and i am imploring the trustees and staff to consider including those strategies

[0:52:22] Voice 7: on our bylaws instead of making secondary suites on small lots non-permissible for example all

[0:52:29] Voice 7: secondary dwellings would be required to demonstrate capacity for rainwater collection

[0:52:34] Voice 7: composting toilets, etc.

[0:52:36] Voice 6: Jan, are you getting close?

[0:52:38] Voice 7: No, I've got four more.

[0:52:40] Voice 7: They're not as long.

[0:52:42] Voice 7: Should I try to summarize them?

[0:52:43] Voice 7: If you could, yeah. I just want to try

[0:52:46] Voice 7: and be equitable.

[0:52:47] Voice 7: Absolutely.

[0:52:48] Voice 7: So, number four,

[0:52:51] Voice 7: like most people,

[0:52:52] Voice 7: I am hoping that as a community

[0:52:58] Voice 7: we can figure out a fair cap

[0:52:59] Voice 7: on the numbers that will be printed

[0:53:01] Voice 7: through the tax process.

[0:53:02] Voice 7: steps. Hopefully the CDRB will be able to initiate a license

[0:53:06] Voice 7: model. If we are community can demonstrate response. Next one

[0:53:14] Voice 7: I believe is we missed our opportunity years ago to

[0:53:18] Voice 7: regulate better. I think that now the best we can do is to

[0:53:24] Voice 7: try to secure whatever housing becomes available on this

[0:53:27] Voice 7: island by minimizing future available housing stock from

[0:53:31] Voice 7: being advertised worldwide as affordable and purchased as an SDR potential. The next one,

[0:53:38] Voice 7: I would like to suggest strongly that no matter what the cap the community decides upon that

[0:53:43] Voice 7: folks who live here year-round and offer their primary homes as B&Bs for short communication

[0:53:48] Voice 7: management will be given priorities to perhaps where SDRs are implemented. And the last one,

[0:53:54] Voice 7: folks who work here, volunteer here, contribute here year-round need to have sustainable and

[0:54:01] Voice 7: affordable housing in order to provide the services needed for both the year-round and part-time

[0:54:05] Voice 7: residents and for community visitors. I am hoping in my heart of hearts that folks who have bought

[0:54:12] Voice 7: or are considering buying their second or third houses on Hornby as investment opportunities will

[0:54:17] Voice 7: take some time to consider what is in the best long-term interest of the community that they

[0:54:23] Voice 7: up and value and the people who live here either renting or living in their one and okay next

[0:54:33] Voice 7: thank you for being here good to have this forum community uh my name is kevin woods

[0:54:39] Voice 6: uh we bought 30 years ago my wife joyce hookings we live here full-time and when our home was

[0:54:47] Voice 6: It was designed and approved under the regime of George Bouvier and Tony Law, and with correspondence

[0:54:56] Voice 6: through the planner, Gary Richardson.

[0:55:00] Voice 6: And it was registered with documentation book, part of our home, we have a separate suite

[0:55:07] Voice 6: of our home that was intended for the accommodation of our two daughters as they grow.

[0:55:15] Voice 6: and those two beds were six were registered to six adults

[0:55:22] Voice 6: joyce and i sleep in one of them we're always here when our guests come here

[0:55:29] Voice 6: and it was registered specifically for accommodation for rental rental accommodation

[0:55:41] Voice 6: We've always filed our federal, provincial, and NRDC taxes ever since any one of them has been required.

[0:55:51] Voice 6: So the accommodation is part of the home, and it's a separate suite, separate and apart.

[0:55:57] Voice 6: We have a septic system that was approved for six people, three beds.

[0:56:01] Voice 6: and we only rent specifically to one adult couple no small children we live on a cliff

[0:56:10] Voice 6: that would be inappropriate so when we have both of our daughters in this sweet

[0:56:17] Voice 6: away we will have two new phones to come and put in our subject right there

[0:56:25] Voice 6: is no gross uh

[0:56:31] Voice 6: So at any one time, when the rentals are happening, there are a maximum of two adults and Joyce and I.

[0:56:41] Voice 6: From time to time, also, when the facility is not being used, we have on a pro bono basis,

[0:56:48] Voice 6: places, many of our accommodation available to the Blues Society for musicians that support

[0:56:56] Voice 6: people, as well as for the Mad Week, that other winter concert system that we have.

[0:57:04] Voice 6: We have accommodated numerous musicians there too.

[0:57:10] Voice 6: It's always available.

[0:57:13] Voice 6: I don't recall ever a single registered complaint against us as our our visitors. A lot of our visitors, by the way, are related to neighbors and weddings. We tend to get the parents

[0:57:29] Voice 10: or

[0:57:33] Voice 7: the grandparents of the people who are

[0:57:34] Voice 6: getting married from our place. It's a lovely thing.

[0:57:38] Voice 6: We also put one on post. Thank you all for taking so much time to come.

[0:57:45] Voice 6: The

[0:57:46] Voice 7: UBC Arts faculty, with their students and faculty doing finalizing PhD programs and so on,

[0:57:55] Voice 7: up to two weeks we have people come in.

[0:57:58] Voice 7: And I believe we're the only pet friendly adult in the accommodation.

[0:58:05] Voice 6: The fact is, we have no intention of renting out a part of our home full-time to anybody.

[0:58:13] Voice 6: We are not denting the accommodation capacity, never more than two people, guests accommodated

[0:58:21] Voice 6: in our homes, and we're always on site when we welcome the guests.

[0:58:30] Voice 7: it's none of these gong

[0:58:33] Voice 10: shows which dance and such.

[0:58:41] Voice 6: That's enough said, thank you for the

[0:58:43] Voice 6: courtesy.

[0:58:44] Voice 7: Okay, thank you and continuing in that same row, is there anyone else in that row?

[0:58:49] Voice 7: I see one over here, yeah.

[0:58:54] Voice 7: Hi, I'm Jen Radford and I've been a part of the owner for 20 years and this last year I moved

[0:59:02] cure permanently

[0:59:02] Voice 7: and do short-term rotation rentals. I did them with Francis for a few years

[0:59:11] Voice 7: and then moved over to Wind and Waves with Ray and Angela and you know I just want to say that

[0:59:18] Voice 7: I'm not an investor. I'm a single mom, a nurse who saved her money and was fortunate enough to

[0:59:24] Voice 7: get a humble fixer-upper house here on Hornby and like I said if I don't

[0:59:32] Voice 7: supplement my rental

[0:59:33] Voice 7: or my income,

[0:59:35] Voice 7: retirement income

[0:59:36] Voice 7: with short vacation rentals

[0:59:39] Voice 7: is going to be a really big

[0:59:41] Voice 7: hardship for me. The other thing I would

[0:59:43] Voice 7: say is that, you know, I do

[0:59:45] Voice 7: have a rainwater collection system

[0:59:47] Voice 7: with 10,000 gallons

[0:59:49] Voice 7: of water that I

[0:59:51] Voice 7: store and my tenants

[0:59:53] Voice 7: that come during the summer

[0:59:54] Voice 7: and my family at the end of summer this year.

[0:59:58] Voice 7: They are

[0:59:59] Voice 7: or the

[1:00:00] Voice 7: the water system method, I have a measuring system on there and Ray or I, you know, get

[1:00:06] Voice 7: violent, you know, with water. And I can honestly say in, say, 15 years, I've never had a problem

[1:00:16] Voice 7: with water, which, you know, and I think I'm an environmental activist, so I am very concerned

[1:00:23] Voice 7: about diversity and water and water table and stuff like that um so i would just i'd speak

[1:00:30] Voice 7: against the cap of 16 so um i think it's too low and i do like the other ideas you know

[1:00:37] Voice 7: weaning down to that count um cap as numbers of whatever happens in the future so oh i should

[1:00:46] Voice 7: just last week i also spent all my money hiring 11 carpenters three carpenters three electricians

[1:00:55] Voice 7: i've had my water system and i've had my workshop renovation and like i've just run out of money

[1:01:04] Voice 7: but you know i've been worked to 11 um people on the island you know

[1:01:10] Voice 7: since i arrived here in

[1:01:17] Voice 7: okay thank you now i'm going to go over to this side i saw some hands here um right starting in

[1:01:23] Voice 7: the end hi my name is jane um i just want to talk about the macro view of it because i'm

[1:01:31] Voice 7: um so we're talking about only a cap on private owners short-term

[1:01:37] Voice 7: vacation rentals from our homes

[1:01:39] Voice 7: and our OCP

[1:01:40] Voice 7: to be able to rent your home

[1:01:44] Voice 7: that has been enshrined for decades

[1:01:45] Voice 7: and protected. The trust has come after it

[1:01:47] Voice 7: every 10 or 15 years

[1:01:49] Voice 7: and a very strong

[1:01:51] Voice 7: local

[1:01:53] Voice 7: most of our vacation rentals

[1:01:55] Voice 7: are swapped for people who become

[1:01:59] Voice 7: widowed,

[1:01:59] Voice 7: divorced, ill in their family

[1:02:01] Voice 7: that they can have it. So while we're talking

[1:02:03] Voice 7: about a cap and all of our

[1:02:05] Voice 7: private homes, nobody has mentioned

[1:02:08] Voice 7: the announcements from the Tribune Bay Outdoor Educational Center that they

[1:02:12] Voice 8: would be increasing

[1:02:13] Voice 8: tourist accommodations including cabbages.

[1:02:19] Voice 7: Are we talking about a transfer?

[1:02:23] Voice 7: So federated co-op, you know, that's more of a company,

[1:02:26] Voice 7: bought that land at Four Corners.

[1:02:30] Voice 7: I don't know if these projections here are going to put in stock housing.

[1:02:33] Voice 7: Are they also going to be putting in rentals?

[1:02:36] Voice 7: There have been financial planners and real estate agents

[1:02:39] Voice 7: to broadcast widely i know from neighbors moving in they were told to cross their money here

[1:02:44] Voice 7: the good turn on equity plus you can get the rentals this is just a fact for example

[1:02:50] Voice 7: the timeshares down at um the fash could not a lot they couldn't get their loan the financing

[1:02:58] Voice 7: was dependent on taking the zoning in september to may off of our homes otherwise that investment

[1:03:04] Voice 7: investment wasn't viable and they couldn't put the shovel in the ground so you notice those two

[1:03:09] Voice 7: bylaws the very first time charter education rentals were regulated on the army the minute

[1:03:14] Voice 7: they were passed they put the shovel in the ground and if you look at the real estate ads it says

[1:03:19] Voice 7: you have the right to year-round rental pool to protect your investment we used to have that

[1:03:26] Voice 7: we can no longer rent in september today i can go on and on but by the month off it's been

[1:03:31] Voice 7: in trouble so PEI solved their problem of housing and the tourism and you can read how they do it

[1:03:39] Voice 7: we don't have to do their way we can make our own way but I don't think we can be strategic or solve

[1:03:44] Voice 7: this unless we get all the facts so are we talking about a transfer of zoning because that's not

[1:03:49] Voice 7: going to solve the water use the congestion it is going to make sure the market and the co-op

[1:03:54] Voice 7: is so viable so let's just drop those arguments the transfer of zoning is what's really going on

[1:04:00] Voice 7: So I think we should educate ourselves.

[1:04:02] Voice 7: We've been fooled enough.

[1:04:03] Voice 7: It's great to see this many people, but I can tell you,

[1:04:06] Voice 7: I went to every meeting 12 years ago.

[1:04:08] Voice 7: There

[1:04:08] Voice 8: were very few people here.

[1:04:13] Voice 8: I see some of you.

[1:04:14] Voice 7: There was a 300-page report produced.

[1:04:17] Voice 7: Only two people spoke to regulate rentals.

[1:04:21] Voice 7: 98% said no.

[1:04:23] Voice 7: 300-page report was produced.

[1:04:25] Voice 7: I have it.

[1:04:26] Voice 7: I read it.

[1:04:28] Voice 7: And Tony Law, at the end of the report, said,

[1:04:30] Voice 7: he said, I feel I have a majority behind me. And he passed it behind the scenes, he told

[1:04:36] Voice 7: people, you already have one, make sure you're exempt, no more people can come in, your money

[1:04:41] Voice 7: is protected. That never happened. Thank you.

[1:04:44] Yes. Just a

[1:04:47] Voice 6: few seconds, thank you for doing all the work you do on behalf of all of us.

[1:04:51] Voice 6: My name is Eric Graham, and my parents, Pip and Nikki Graham, first came here 50 years

[1:04:56] Voice 6: years ago, this November and found the place of their dreams. I'm also here wearing the

[1:05:05] Voice 6: hat of the vice president of history, a board which I played the last couple of years. There's

[1:05:13] Voice 6: one thing about Hornby, and that is members of the community wonderful to be here today.

[1:05:19] Voice 6: That is the magic of this place. And when we started doing vacation rentals in a very

[1:05:24] Voice 6: small way back in 2003 that was part of what we wanted to do was to have the opportunity to share

[1:05:32] Voice 6: the magic of harmony with people from many other places and also to be able to hold on to my

[1:05:38] Voice 6: parents beloved family home my parents loved this place and all of our family does of course

[1:05:45] Voice 6: and one of the voices that i thought i'd bring today is from some of our guests this is our

[1:05:51] Voice 6: guest book i think it's it's our third over many years and so just to hear a little bit about

[1:05:56] Voice 6: about how people who come here and and what it feel and what a difference it makes to their lives

[1:06:03] Voice 6: what a spectacular location to enjoy a family holiday this amazing and beautiful island could

[1:06:09] Voice 6: not have been a better place to bring together family from around the world hiking paddleboarding

[1:06:15] Voice 6: and swimming and just poking in the views

[1:06:17] Voice 6: made three days feel like not nearly enough time.

[1:06:20] Voice 6: An idyllic location for family from two continents

[1:06:23] Voice 6: to make amazing memories.

[1:06:28] Voice 6: My parents' home was built,

[1:06:29] Voice 6: was one of the early big blue sky houses

[1:06:31] Voice 6: and was built by, you know,

[1:06:36] Voice 6: designed and built by Bo and Michael

[1:06:37] Voice 6: and Ed Collin, who is here, of course.

[1:06:40] Voice 6: And over the years,

[1:06:41] Voice 6: one of the things that I have had pleasure in

[1:06:44] Voice 6: is working with those who have worked with us

[1:06:47] Voice 6: to do vacation rentals.

[1:06:48] Voice 6: And currently that's Patrick and Michael.

[1:06:50] Voice 6: And they're a fabulous team of maintenance people,

[1:06:55] Voice 6: of cleaners, of people who take care of our home

[1:06:58] Voice 6: to put it, to make it beautiful for those who come here

[1:07:03] Voice 6: and enjoy this beautiful place.

[1:07:05] Voice 6: So I've always enjoyed that we can give good work.

[1:07:09] Voice 6: And I believe it is good work to all those people

[1:07:12] Voice 6: doing all that important work together

[1:07:14] Voice 7: as a team.

[1:07:22] Voice 6: Time to say goodbye to this magical place.

[1:07:25] Voice 6: Three generations had a wonderful time.

[1:07:27] Voice 6: We explored Dunlop Point endlessly.

[1:07:30] Voice 6: We swam at Trippin Bay and made sandcastles,

[1:07:33] Voice 6: shot over and made delicious meals,

[1:07:37] Voice 6: mountain biking reigned supreme,

[1:07:38] Voice 6: and dancing in the evening.

[1:07:41] Voice 6: Thank you for all these gifts that we have experienced

[1:07:45] Voice 6: in this magical place.

[1:07:47] Voice 6: These are just a couple of the ways

[1:07:49] Voice 6: in which people come to this place

[1:07:53] Voice 6: from all over the world

[1:07:54] Voice 6: and from many parts of the world

[1:07:57] Voice 6: and feel what Hornby gives to the world.

[1:08:01] Voice 6: I know that Hornby gives the world a lot,

[1:08:04] Voice 6: but for these people, these visitors,

[1:08:08] Voice 6: what

[1:08:09] Planner McCargar: they take, what they experience here,

[1:08:11] Voice 6: and what they take back to where they go back to

[1:08:13] Voice 6: is a place which is important it remains in our hearts and i know that they all value this magical

[1:08:20] Voice 6: part

[1:08:21] Voice 7: of the world take

[1:08:22] Voice 7: care of you

[1:08:24] Voice 6: and next on this side hi i'm kenny jernigman uh

[1:08:29] Voice 7: my family

[1:08:31] Voice 7: has uh my parents built the cottage we're in now uh we've had 50 years

[1:08:40] Voice 7: and we do short-term wind and waves. I just wanted to say that we have three cisterns

[1:08:49] Voice 7: of rainwater, that's our water, and we have a UV filter and a cartridge filter. Last year

[1:08:58] Voice 7: we never ordered any of the water that's there, and now of course the rest of the property

[1:09:06] Voice 7: is also like we just have a footprint of the roof it's a small little cottage so the rest of the

[1:09:12] Voice 7: property is getting maybe 20 times that amount of water those trees etc uh so i don't think we're

[1:09:21] Voice 7: having an environment uh we have accomplished for that i also wanted to make the point that we have

[1:09:27] Voice 7: provincial licensing so what's going to happen if we don't win the lottery and we can't short-term

[1:09:33] Voice 7: rental are we going to get that licensing back the other thing they wanted to make is that

[1:09:42] Voice 7: they're as well so we couldn't use it actually

[1:09:47] Voice 7: cleaning it's much better weekly with wind and waves you don't get that standard of cleaning it's

[1:09:54] Voice 7: you know hotels with the long-term rancher and then we wouldn't be able to use it

[1:10:01] so um those are kind of my points i really would like a recommendation

[1:10:08] Voice 7: of attrition rather than

[1:10:11] okay was

[1:10:34] Voice 7: there any more up there no okay then i'm going to go to the

[1:10:38] Voice 6: second from last so over here

[1:10:51] Voice 7: And I'm just sort of like, okay, so I've been here for five years.

[1:10:55] Voice 7: My family, somehow, strangest thing, managed to survive a three-year race.

[1:11:01] Voice 7: It was never done for return to rentals and never focused on summer visitors only.

[1:11:08] Voice 7: And because I do believe it's a key.

[1:11:11] Voice 7: And so I'm just really interested in trying to stop being like, okay, it's just too short.

[1:11:17] Voice 7: But there's a community here, well, what I'm hearing is a lot of privilege.

[1:11:20] Voice 7: You guys don't even know what that means.

[1:11:22] Voice 7: Because the people who are unhoused and the people who are in illegal secondary

[1:11:29] Voice 7: seats in the subdivisions and whatever, don't want to draw attention to them.

[1:11:33] Voice 7: And they're not really the level of, I mean, the skill level is amazing.

[1:11:37] Voice 7: It's not good.

[1:11:41] Voice 7: So I'm just listening to, like, this is a reality.

[1:11:44] Voice 7: And I'm angry about it.

[1:11:46] Voice 7: So when we came here in 89, the structure, we had B&Bs, and when we started the next year, the property value, what we paid was double the next year.

[1:11:57] Voice 7: And BombD really motivated to build that little business, and there is such a strong push by the agencies, because their cut, their successful business comes from having more, not fewer.

[1:12:15] Voice 7: i'm angry about it all and i'm angry about the space that this is taking because i mean this

[1:12:21] Voice 7: is so orchestrated all of the local people who are doing those things and all of the legacy homes

[1:12:26] Voice 7: are you telling me i know that your homes in vancouver victoria have quadrupled in value

[1:12:32] Voice 7: too and you enforce it when you can't get the money together you just pay the property tax

[1:12:41] Voice 7: And the reason the property taxes have gone up are because of the sale of these houses

[1:12:47] Voice 7: at these huge inflated rates.

[1:12:49] Voice 7: And it makes us pretty hard for a lot of us to stay and just be living here.

[1:12:55] Voice 7: But we do it because we don't really know what's pressing here in this room.

[1:13:10] Voice 7: This has taken up so much time, the first report from the agency, which is, in fact,

[1:13:16] Voice 7: a public consultation program, but the fact is it was in 2022, right?

[1:13:22] Voice 7: It's taken a long time, and we've got a bunch of other things that need to be happening,

[1:13:27] Voice 7: and one of them is addressing creating the crowdfunding.

[1:13:29] Voice 7: I don't care if they never write in place yet.

[1:13:31] Voice 7: What I would like you, trustees, to do is put in primary residence only, quickly.

[1:13:37] Voice 7: The original bylaw, the change that was made, was about being at a home occupation.

[1:13:44] Voice 7: That means it has to be done by the owner or someone who is living there.

[1:13:48] Voice 7: So, go back. Home occupation, primary residence only.

[1:13:53] Voice 7: I do not want commercial activity on residential properties

[1:13:58] Voice 7: And not only is unfair competition to the businesses on this island that are zoned commercially and paying property tax, that's where our accommodation should be more weekly rentals as a whole occupation, bed and breakfast, lovely, do it year round.

[1:14:14] Voice 7: But we need to start focusing on how do we actually make the language about both suitable properties reflect the reality of Courtney and make it legal for us to have secondary suites, income rental streams, do upgrades, keep Euro-Courtney people in their homes.

[1:14:35] Voice 7: And this showpiece of wonderful people contributing to unity and taking care of water, but it is taking up too much space in our city.

[1:14:51] Voice 7: The number of people speaking who will not be impacted if you go to a primary residence only home occupation basis.

[1:14:59] Voice 7: That's great. Why are you water doing? You're going to get it. You'll be here.

[1:15:03] Voice 2: ask you to wrap it up please okay and then uh next in that row

[1:15:09] Voice 6: yes

[1:15:16] i've been coming here 57 years with my parents but

[1:15:20] Voice 7: first of all i'm not saying anything new here

[1:15:22] Voice 7: i just want everyone to know that there's quite a few of us that have yes in character

[1:15:27] Voice 7: to these lovely places that we have now.

[1:15:31] Voice 7: 57 years.

[1:15:32] Voice 7: I've been a co-op member person for 76-7.

[1:15:36] I've

[1:15:36] Voice 7: been a co-op member.

[1:15:38] Voice 7: I also feel very passionate about being here.

[1:15:42] Voice 7: I am not privileged, but I am not rich.

[1:15:46] Voice 7: I'm a school secretary.

[1:15:48] Voice 7: I don't make a lot of money.

[1:15:49] Voice 7: We need to rent our place out on Corby

[1:15:53] Voice 7: to keep it in our family.

[1:15:55] Voice 7: I have three grown adult children and grandma's children, I would be devastated if we could not pay the $8,000 property taxes.

[1:16:06] Voice 7: I had to buy my sister out, she lives in another country, we now have a massive mortgage on it.

[1:16:12] Voice 7: And I would hate to have to sell the place because I'm not allowed to rent it in the summer months.

[1:16:18] Voice 7: I would just like you to know that when we have ventures, we don't allow any laundry to happen.

[1:16:24] Voice 7: We ask them to bring their own linens and take them home.

[1:16:31] Voice 7: As far as partying, we have the same neighbors in our area forever.

[1:16:36] Voice 7: As long as I can remember as a child, it's still the same people there.

[1:16:40] Voice 7: I've never heard once that we've had any problems.

[1:16:43] Voice 7: In fact, I often hear you don't even know they're there.

[1:16:46] Voice 7: They're so quiet, they are serene on our property, we just want to come and have a nice time with their families, grandparents, parents, children.

[1:16:57] Voice 7: It's a lovely place for them to be and I'd love to share it with you.

[1:17:00] Voice 7: I loved reading our visitors' book and the wonderful times they have.

[1:17:06] Voice 7: have and someone was talking about having um hosting musicians etc i'd like to see if we only

[1:17:14] Voice 7: had 65 rental units on this island how the music festival would even stay going there would be no

[1:17:22] Voice 7: to buy a ticket thank you okay same row

[1:17:28] Voice 8: hi

[1:17:31] Voice 7: my name is

[1:17:32] Voice 7: to Lutane and I've been an owner for over 15 years. My wife and I are both educators so we know we are

[1:17:40] Voice 7: not the Jenny Pattersons of the world. We use the money for renting just to pay the property taxes

[1:17:48] Voice 7: and the insurance and that gives us the opportunity to be here. I'm really concerned that we need a

[1:17:54] Voice 7: solid informed decision about capping our short-term rentals and I humbly suggest that

[1:18:01] Voice 7: the guiding factors need to be two things the environment and the community needs

[1:18:07] Voice 7: we know that there's an issue with low cost housing and the need for that and i believe

[1:18:13] Voice 7: work is being done on that but i don't see this as the solution and one aspect that i wanted to

[1:18:22] Voice 7: mention was when i heard about this potential gap i really thought about the people who are living

[1:18:28] Voice 7: here year round and specifically the artisans and producers of products on the island over the years

[1:18:36] Voice 7: when i've done they have purchased pottery paintings clothing and many food products here

[1:18:42] Voice 7: and time and time again i heard the people selling those products how hard they work through the

[1:18:47] Voice 7: winter months to be able to provide enough materials to sell to the short-term summer

[1:18:54] Voice 7: visitors so that they're able to these short-term rental visitors are able to take their products

[1:19:03] Voice 7: home as a reminder of their form the magical time. These people who are doing this work often say

[1:19:11] Voice 7: that they need that money from the summer to be able to make through the winter and get through

[1:19:17] Voice 7: those winter months. As the saying goes they need to make hay while the sun shines. I worry about

[1:19:25] Voice 7: the abrupt change that the number of short-term rentals will negatively impact the livelihood of

[1:19:30] Voice 7: these full-time residents and yes there should be a cap but i think we need to do this in a very

[1:19:37] Voice 7: thoughtful and informed manner thank you for hearing me okay continuing in that row next

[1:19:58] here.

[1:19:59] Voice 7: In all the years I've been here, which has been since 19, over 25 years now, actually,

[1:20:07] Voice 7: I have witnessed a steady attack on short-term rentals. I remember

[1:20:13] Voice 8: going to a meeting in

[1:20:15] Voice 8: West Vancouver that

[1:20:21] Voice 7: going lower and dealing with short-term rentals. And I remember asking

[1:20:24] Voice 7: the question that I want to ask the K, what's the issue? What is the problem and what evidence

[1:20:30] Voice 7: to evade this attack of people sharing their own for a short time of the year.

[1:20:36] Voice 7: What I see is that the economy in this island depends completely on the tourism and the

[1:20:43] Voice 7: income that is provided in two months, basically.

[1:20:45] Voice 7: Most people only come July and August.

[1:20:49] Voice 7: Rarely do people come in the shoulder months.

[1:20:51] Voice 7: I mean, it's cold, it's so rainy, it's our school, it's the place where most of the

[1:20:55] Voice 7: family comes.

[1:20:56] Voice 7: So,

[1:20:57] Voice 8: and most people do not have

[1:21:04] Voice 7: to work for, you know, they go on a holiday in Mexico, whatever, they, you know, have enough money to live the rest of the year on the basis of two months on the rest of the year.

[1:21:14] Voice 7: People have this idea that, you know, people who come home, it is hard work.

[1:21:25] Voice 8: Taxes are going

[1:21:26] Voice 7: to have to pay for

[1:21:27] Voice 7: having all of a sudden put on people who've been

[1:21:29] Voice 7: breaking things because they've been seeing them react to it.

[1:21:32] Voice 7: Then all of a sudden, the bill of tax, you know, this is all increased the cost that

[1:21:37] Voice 7: cannot be passed on to people

[1:21:38] Voice 8: who come onto the island.

[1:21:40] Voice 8: And people who come onto the island,

[1:21:45] Voice 7: their music shows, you know, they keep their community

[1:21:48] Voice 7: alive.

[1:21:49] Voice 7: life. So people who think

[1:21:51] Voice 7: there's nothing good to say about

[1:21:53] Voice 7: people who own their short-term

[1:21:55] Voice 7: rental, I'm very, very misguided

[1:21:57] Voice 7: because it is a hard work

[1:21:59] Voice 7: to keep it going

[1:22:00] Voice 7: and to just pay the property taxes

[1:22:03] Voice 7: and just pay off all your

[1:22:05] Voice 7: extra expenses and

[1:22:07] Voice 7: keep it going. And it's why?

[1:22:08] Voice 7: Because we want to do something for the family.

[1:22:11] Voice 7: Because my children and my

[1:22:12] Voice 7: grandchildren love it here.

[1:22:14] Voice 7: And they come here and they all work here.

[1:22:16] Voice 7: And that's, you know, I need

[1:22:19] Voice 7: to ask you know the trustees like who are you guys working for who are you accountable to are

[1:22:26] Voice 7: you accountable for this community or are you accountable are you looking for the well-being

[1:22:31] Voice 7: of the people who elected you i mean who are you know how is it possible that we have allowed

[1:22:38] Voice 7: the ocp to basically all of a sudden years and years and years to come upon with a lot of

[1:22:44] Voice 7: community input and a lot of discussions all of a sudden the the monstrosity and the fact for

[1:22:50] Voice 7: example is legal in our ocp how did you allow that to go through it said specifically in the ocp that

[1:22:56] Voice 7: that's illegal and now that we have this problem with the two p.m day you know people are going to

[1:23:02] Voice 7: have to pay to park and to rent and they're going to be excluded from the people in the community

[1:23:08] Voice 7: And we are going after the handful, maybe even a hundred, whatever, we don't even know, we have no evidence, no facts, no studies to actually justify any of the decisions that have been made in order to contain a certain rental.

[1:23:25] Voice 7: I don't think it's really fair.

[1:23:26] Voice 7: And I think

[1:23:27] Voice 8: most people here are actually maybe a little bit more allowed, you know,

[1:23:36] Voice 7: where I come from, but it is truly, I passionately feel that it's such an unfair process that has been going on for over 20 years, 20 years, and changing face, but the only cause that has been, let's get rid of short-term rentals, let's go out to people who are busting their butts in order to get, to keep this community as beautiful as it is.

[1:23:57] Voice 7: So anyway, I'm not doing that.

[1:23:58] Voice 7: Any more on that, Rob? Yes.

[1:24:04] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:24:05] Voice 7: All right.

[1:24:06] Voice 7: I have a question about what you're going to have to pay for that mortgage,

[1:24:16] and it was quite fine.

[1:24:19] Voice 7: It's a lot of people you may clean your house or do your things,

[1:24:26] Voice 7: something like that.

[1:24:28] Voice 7: And I, as a primary resident, would like to get sent because it affects our life,

[1:24:34] figure

[1:24:35] Voice 5: because we are most dependent to actually survive this economy because we don't have a

[1:24:41] Voice 5: second home or we

[1:24:43] Voice 5: couldn't have

[1:24:44] Voice 7: a home here and i fully understand that they need to have that too

[1:24:48] Voice 7: because the fertilizer is great so i don't say anything against them i just want you to consider

[1:25:06] and we cannot work anymore

[1:25:09] Voice 5: next year because these bodies are deteriorating,

[1:25:13] Voice 7: so if you

[1:25:14] Voice 7: shut us out right now and say no more, and become a monopoly by distra, as we remember,

[1:25:21] Voice 7: and you can do PE and you may not be in a lot of comfort for it,

[1:25:25] Voice 7: then that fellow has to sell his home and move on.

[1:25:30] Voice 7: It wasn't Canada for the physical attention

[1:25:32] Voice 7: to run his own house.

[1:25:36] That's why I just

[1:25:36] Voice 7: asked to be examined.

[1:25:43] Voice 7: Hey, thank you.

[1:25:43] Voice 7: Any more in that row?

[1:25:45] Voice 7: Do you have to say a couple more?

[1:25:49] Voice 7: My name is Leanne Marshall.

[1:25:51] Voice 7: I've been coming to Army for about 15 years,

[1:25:54] Voice 7: years and I bought the cabin that I used to rent. It's a seasonal cabin, it's not suitable for long-term living, so it wouldn't be rentable to any given time basis.

[1:26:10] Voice 7: I can only afford to have this cabin by having it as a rental property and that was my intention when I bought it.

[1:26:18] Voice 7: It will, it's a small cabin, I cannot run it so rental will be hard, and probably it will be locked down and some of the big large property will be built down, the house will be built down instead.

[1:26:32] Voice 7: And I employ local people, I employ a cleaning lady, a carpenter, I've got my roof done, I've got my deck done, and all the welding is set to special, so all the local people will come in and look after this property.

[1:26:46] Voice 7: I have strict water usage policies with my guests. I've never run out of water.

[1:26:55] Voice 7: I've sticked by all the guidelines and by-laws and I've registered with the progress.

[1:27:01] Voice 7: There's only four people elect ever at the Cabinet at one time and in fact in the summer time there's only 24 people coming this year so it's a very small footprint.

[1:27:10] Voice 7: and i will be i will be with the salary

[1:27:13] Voice 7: thank you thank you i think there's one next to you

[1:27:27] Voice 10: sorry i was very

[1:27:36] Voice 7: involved in the 2009 attack on home shares and i will say it was a full

[1:27:42] Voice 7: frontal attack at the ballpark in the middle of july the enforcement officer said what we were

[1:27:49] Voice 7: doing was against the law and we would be fined five thousand dollars a day and the theater was

[1:27:54] Voice 7: comfortable and that was how that process started indeed we have a legal right to do we always have

[1:28:00] Voice 7: had a legal right which is why the island's trust has had to go through this owner's process of

[1:28:05] Voice 7: changing the abc that's another whole story but the process itself has been so destructive and

[1:28:11] Voice 7: it did each week, it has always been about 10 people against people and reason.

[1:28:18] Voice 7: Misinformation, it's backwards. When you want to do good planning, you start with your studies,

[1:28:25] you understand your subject, you measure all

[1:28:28] Voice 7: the factors. What are the aspects that are affecting

[1:28:31] Voice 7: our island, particularly through tourism? What are the benefits? What are the deficits? Never done.

[1:28:37] Voice 7: In 50 years of island trust, 25 years of high sea, we've never had study.

[1:28:42] Voice 7: So all of this is innuendo, misinformation, and it makes it very convenient to turn this

[1:28:48] Voice 7: island against each other because nobody can sit there with study and say, no, you're wrong.

[1:28:53] Voice 7: We don't have 180 short-term rentals.

[1:28:56] Voice 7: It hasn't exploded over the last 20 years.

[1:28:59] Voice 7: It's very stable.

[1:29:00] Voice 7: That is the starting point for this process.

[1:29:03] Voice 7: So you should be stopping this process in its tracks and going back to the drawing board

[1:29:09] Voice 7: where planning departments start to measure, study, and know what you're doing to people's

[1:29:16] Voice 7: lives.

[1:29:16] Voice 7: This is not a game of hitting the tail on the donkey.

[1:29:19] Voice 7: These are livelihoods, jobs, homes, families, at a very difficult economic time.

[1:29:26] Voice 7: So I'm not

[1:29:27] Voice 7: saying I have any issue with caps or no caps, that's minus down the road.

[1:29:32] Voice 7: We can start at the drawing board and do this correctly and not dividing this community.

[1:29:38] Voice 7: Inspire this community to come together and plan where our future should be for work.

[1:29:42] Voice 7: We need discussions.

[1:29:43] Voice 7: There has not been adequate consultation.

[1:29:46] Voice 7: It's been a scam.

[1:29:47] Voice 7: As far as I'm concerned, it's a joke.

[1:29:49] Voice 7: You need to pull this community together.

[1:29:52] Voice 7: You've divided it.

[1:29:53] Voice 7: You've destroyed it.

[1:29:54] Voice 7: You've stressed it out.

[1:29:56] Voice 7: Now it's time to bring the community back together again.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: work properly and everybody will be happy with the result of this inclusive study and inclusive

[1:30:06] Voice 7: process where we know what we're up against this is just a gauntlet and then

[1:30:11] Voice 7: and i blame

[1:30:12] Voice 7: each other i don't understand why they haven't done this the way that it should

[1:30:15] Voice 7: okay is there anyone else in that row did i see one more in that row yeah go ahead

[1:30:46] Voice 7: I sort of support whatever you said here, but I kind of took a different angle.

[1:30:50] Voice 7: I prepared a letter to Alex Cross. It's 20 pages long. I've got hard copies if you want.

[1:30:58] Voice 7: I'm sort of taking the point that the lady just spoke that I think it'd be good if we could step back and extend the issue a little more before we start making these decisions.

[1:31:08] Voice 7: I think it should be fair to everybody on how important there's a burden that that burden should be shared.

[1:31:15] Voice 7: So one thing I did is I had a lot of questions I wanted to ask, but then I thought, well, I'm just going to answer all the questions.

[1:31:22] Voice 7: So I went to the island trust mandate to see what was required on the island's trustees

[1:31:28] Voice 7: or everybody and it says the object of the trust is to preserve and protect the trust

[1:31:34] Voice 7: area and its unique amenities and the environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust

[1:31:39] Voice 7: area and the parish only in general.

[1:31:41] Voice 7: So I think everybody wants to protect the island, that's the issue.

[1:31:45] Voice 7: Um, the question is, who's benefiting? And, you know, the us versus them, which I hate, is it's the whole virus that we're going to destroy, and it's the people in the education that we're going to sue.

[1:31:57] Voice 7: Right now, it appears we're destroying things, but I don't think that's really the case. I think everybody's, everybody's using water, everybody's coming here, everybody's making noise, and I think we can address these things.

[1:32:08] Voice 7: needs to be addressed for everybody and by everybody um switching a little bit to the

[1:32:17] Voice 7: reduction in the numbers um it does appear that there is no value when they run to the app right

[1:32:24] Voice 7: now so cutting in half uh hurts 67 people originally but we don't know if if we're

[1:32:31] Voice 7: starting at a number of 100 or 200 so i do agree that more research could be done perhaps like

[1:32:36] Voice 7: assaults, but certainly we have a chance to put in a lot of experience and research. Right

[1:32:45] Voice 7: now, there's a disproportionate burden to their short term vacation rental owners. There's

[1:32:53] Voice 7: other things going on that can be dealt with by lots like noise and speed and those types

[1:32:57] Voice 7: of things. I know we don't have a lot of stuff, so I don't think we need to do that.

[1:33:11] Voice 7: That's something that's mandatory to enforce.

[1:33:14] Voice 7: It could be done for everybody.

[1:33:19] Voice 7: There's the economic garbage.

[1:33:20] Voice 7: I read a bit before the meeting.

[1:33:24] Voice 7: It seemed pretty big to me.

[1:33:26] Voice 7: So I did my own calculations.

[1:33:28] Voice 7: I'm not an expert.

[1:33:29] Voice 7: I'm good at maths.

[1:33:32] Voice 7: And I came up with a number that if they cut these records in half, we could lose $15,000

[1:33:38] Voice 7: in average, plus another 42 people would lose their actual income if they worked on the

[1:33:43] Voice 7: side.

[1:33:44] Voice 7: A lot of that work's going to disappear.

[1:33:46] Voice 7: So 42 people are just going to be made to vote for their survival, not their half.

[1:33:50] Voice 7: They actually wanted to go and spend on the side.

[1:33:52] Voice 7: So there's a lot of money in this.

[1:33:54] Voice 7: Now, the letter I wrote, by the way, it's on the Mellon's Trust website if anybody wants

[1:33:58] Voice 7: to read it.

[1:33:59] Voice 7: My last name is ,, and I did do calculations in there.

[1:34:03] Voice 7: I've got way more information than I can remember.

[1:34:06] Voice 7: I did it in college.

[1:34:07] Voice 7: I tried to help the passengers, but they

[1:34:09] Voice 7: made me think about it a little bit differently.

[1:34:12] Voice 7: And I always hear from these people.

[1:34:18] Voice 7: Respecting the visitors, also, I think people from DC,

[1:34:20] Voice 7: like all my guests are from DC, they're taxpayers.

[1:34:24] Voice 7: And the more I can read your mandate,

[1:34:26] Voice 7: the more I can wait to be here and come here.

[1:34:27] Voice 7: here. So trust me, I made some comparisons on the location of

[1:34:42] Voice 7: the last day. And I'm actually trying to pick up all the names

[1:34:45] Voice 7: of the reports. I didn't know more about every place I was

[1:34:49] Voice 7: mentioned. And while I think it's reasonable to look at what

[1:34:52] Voice 7: other people did, I don't really understand the reason why it

[1:34:55] Voice 7: was supposed to and and how the comparison again there was was important so that's something i

[1:35:02] Voice 7: think that we can't do that when we look closer at how the connections work

[1:35:12] that

[1:35:14] Voice 7: means wrap it up please

[1:35:16] Voice 7: Yeah, that's

[1:35:16] Voice 7: right. When I put these on, I can't see so well. I can help you out.

[1:35:23] Voice 7: The NHS, you know, I trust you to please read it. I mean, I think you'll be able to read it.

[1:35:27] Voice 7: I know I've got a little stuff in there that, you know, I'd like to write in my books for sure, but I honestly didn't like that for me.

[1:35:33] Voice 7: I think it's very good. So I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

[1:35:38] Voice 6: Okay, and I saw a couple in the very back there for people that haven't spoken yet.

[1:35:45] Voice 6: I moved here in 75, and I own two places.

[1:35:53] The

[1:35:53] Voice 7: living room house I live in, I moved in in 89 in San Pedro.

[1:35:59] Voice 7: I have four vacation rentals on each side of me and across the street from Ditty Corner.

[1:36:07] Voice 7: It impacts my life quite a bit.

[1:36:10] Voice 7: It's a greater concentration than usual.

[1:36:14] Voice 7: I've heard a lot of people use the word community.

[1:36:19] Voice 7: if you don't live here you can't really know what this community is we have all kinds of

[1:36:26] Voice 7: organizations you can join you can participate in volunteer efforts to do things and maybe you do

[1:36:33] Voice 7: some of that but i just i've had trouble with people say they don't live here at the family

[1:36:39] Voice 7: home they come with it and talk about community i'd like to introduce you to our community

[1:36:46] Voice 7: I've done a lot of different things so thank you okay thank you there's one far back there

[1:36:55] Voice 7: I was just going to say I think that one thing that's bothering me over the years my husband

[1:37:04] Voice 7: and I started camping here probably 20 years ago and we worked our way out through a lot of hard

[1:37:12] Voice 7: work and sacrifice on my husband's part to be able to afford a vacation rental and

[1:37:18] Voice 7: And I feel throughout the last number of years that it is such that if you don't live here, then you don't get to be here.

[1:37:28] Planner McCargar: I am so

[1:37:29] Voice 7: grateful when someone who is local recognizes me and is friendly to me, remembers my co-locking number, which is 2630.

[1:37:40] Voice 7: we've worked so hard as a family sacrificing so much time together to be able to afford it

[1:37:51] Voice 7: what i find so upsetting is when other people can judge what we've chosen to do

[1:37:57] Voice 7: through so

[1:37:59] Voice 7: much hard work you know i remember a long time ago there was a comment made by the

[1:38:04] Voice 7: board members saying well they had that place you know their grandfather bought it so i don't know

[1:38:10] Voice 7: why they need the money the comments about why you need the money it's none of your business

[1:38:21] Voice 7: and that is what bothers me is that people who live here and have chosen to make their home

[1:38:28] Voice 7: don't want anyone else coming yet clearly we all feel the same i don't know what it is like

[1:38:36] Voice 7: you know i hope one day when we are here longer i would like to join a community like the one that

[1:38:43] Voice 7: new horizons that's what it's called i think i'm it might be but you know that's that's what i look

[1:38:50] Voice 7: forward to but i don't want to be looked down on because i don't live here full time that's

[1:38:55] Voice 7: I'm so merciful. I have so many fond memories of Corby. Our kids, we provided seasonal housing. I had six kids working. I housed six of them. That was a bit too many.

[1:39:12] Voice 7: i'm a cleaner myself so at our place that we rent out to make sure it's been properly

[1:39:19] Voice 7: we don't even advertise it's all word of mouth by families who've been coming here

[1:39:24] Voice 7: the last 30 40 years and they want their children to keep coming here and that's what we rent you

[1:39:30] Voice 7: we don't even advertise so that i i can keep a handle on who is coming and i just find it so

[1:39:39] Voice 7: upsetting that we're not valued by like or is important because we're not full timers here

[1:39:48] Voice 7: that we are all clearly part of warming it is not a private island

[1:40:02] Voice 7: now i think i've got one row left is that correct right over here

[1:40:07] Voice 7: i'll come to you next

[1:40:11] Voice 7: Yeah, yes, sir, in the white.

[1:40:41] Voice 7: We're working on a four-generation map that we're trying to be connected with.

[1:40:46] Voice 7: We felt really gratified these last couple years when the third generation were able to pool our funds, get our place,

[1:40:54] Voice 7: and we went down six weeks a year to pay for the taxes, which are a lot.

[1:41:01] Voice 7: So that's what we do, and our goal is to keep it.

[1:41:05] Voice 7: If we're not part of this process, it won't be so little, because we can't afford it soon.

[1:41:11] Voice 7: And who will buy it is a very high-net-worth individual because it's a really nice piece of art.

[1:41:15] Voice 7: Don't want to lie, we get it. They're privileged to have our food.

[1:41:19] Voice 7: But the people who will buy it, there's no one in this room that I know of.

[1:41:22] Voice 7: It's going to be someone else who's going to come.

[1:41:24] Voice 7: And they're not going to contribute to this community.

[1:41:26] Voice 7: They're going to put something else in or maybe subdivide it.

[1:41:28] Voice 7: That's the reality of what will happen to that farm.

[1:41:31] Voice 7: How we raise it is we're passionate about the island.

[1:41:36] Voice 7: We're passionate about what we can do. We have a system with a whole house.

[1:41:39] Voice 7: We can question the wisdom of Alan to do that, the whole house is part of the Whaling Station water cleaning society.

[1:41:48] Voice 7: Everybody has to bring in all the women to bring in all the water. We have our septic.

[1:41:53] Voice 7: The workforce climate affects us. It was re-rented in the way that we

[1:41:56] Voice 8: think reflects the values that we as a family can keep.

[1:42:04] Voice 7: There is no normal standard of what means to be a good community member. It's our values.

[1:42:09] Voice 7: Third, of all this process, this has been really helpful to me to understand, the one thing I want to lead with, because a lot of great comments are said, that if there isn't a cause and effect process that's really outlying, what's the issues that are being tried to have?

[1:42:23] Voice 7: What are you trying to solve?

[1:42:25] Voice 7: And if you don't have a process that reflects it that's arbitrary, I think ultimately what

[1:42:29] Voice 7: will be, it won't be the community against community, what will be what you're seeing

[1:42:32] Voice 7: here is assertions of financial

[1:42:34] Voice 10: propriety, bias, corruption, power

[1:42:41] Voice 7: -mongering, that is

[1:42:42] Voice 7: ultimately what will happen.

[1:42:44] Voice 7: If the process is incredible, what's the effect that you're trying to address?

[1:42:47] Voice 7: Is it the railway station in Bay last year was not that busy?

[1:42:50] Voice 7: Is it traffic there?

[1:42:52] Voice 7: Is it the roads aren't that safe?

[1:42:53] Voice 7: Is that what you're trying to address?

[1:42:54] Voice 7: is a lot of people running around having to go around and pull up. I don't know.

[1:42:58] Voice 7: But whatever it is, it's got to be something that someone's trying to fix

[1:43:03] Voice 8: by virtue of having this.

[1:43:04] Voice 8: It has to be something that still has to have a fix.

[1:43:09] So as long as people are listening to a lot more deeper concepts,

[1:43:13] Voice 7: it seems like,

[1:43:13] Voice 6: and I'm going to read your article,

[1:43:15] Voice 7: Kelsey Allen,

[1:43:16] Voice 7: 67 seems like a really blunt tool.

[1:43:18] Voice 7: And I just wonder if everybody's got a volume to have hammered all the way through right now.

[1:43:24] Voice 7: this is a little bit more sophisticated what you're trying to address how about work i guess

[1:43:28] Planner McCargar: everybody on board so don't

[1:43:29] Voice 7: use me like every year is purposely trying to ruin that

[1:43:46] Voice 7: i'm reading a letter um on behalf of the board of ic which is the one behind

[1:43:51] Voice 7: clean economic enhance incorporated i think it was sent to the trustees but i'm going to read

[1:43:57] Voice 7: it out loud here. So my dear trustees, thank you for your ongoing commitment to the stewardship

[1:44:03] Voice 7: of Hornby Island. As representatives of the Hornby Island Community Economic Enhancement

[1:44:08] Voice 7: Corporation, IC, we share the local trust committee's goal of ensuring that our community

[1:44:14] Voice 7: remains vibrant, resilient, and inclusive. In that spirit, we write to request a pause

[1:44:21] Voice 7: on the decisions to cap short-term vacation rentals at 67, and to suggest a collaborative approach that allows for broader consultation and clearer community-supported solutions.

[1:44:33] Voice 7: Burmese Island's economy has long depended on seasonal tourism, which directly and indirectly supports a large portion of our local businesses, tradespeople, artisans, and residents,

[1:44:44] Voice 7: reducing visitor accommodation through a significant cut to STVRs, without first securing alternative

[1:44:52] Voice 7: economic and housing solutions could have serious unintended consequences.

[1:44:57] Voice 7: These include a loss of vital income for homeowners, a decline in small business revenues, and

[1:45:03] Voice 7: an increased strain on the already limited local workforce.

[1:45:08] Voice 7: To illustrate the complexities involved, consider the experience of Tofino, a resort municipality

[1:45:13] Voice 7: quality that often into the provincial principal residence requirement in 2024. this decision

[1:45:19] Voice 7: aimed to balance the benefits of short-term vacation rentals with the need for long-term

[1:45:24] Voice 7: housing however following following extensive community engagement including town hall meetings

[1:45:31] Voice 7: community round tables and a petition urging a referendum that the penal council chose to

[1:45:37] Voice 7: To avoid such an outcome, we encourage the

[1:45:41] Voice 8: local trust to take the following action during

[1:45:49] Voice 7: the event.

[1:45:49] Voice 7: Many homeowners and stakeholders are working individuals, often on the island, who are

[1:45:54] Voice 7: unable to attend Friday morning meetings.

[1:45:57] Voice 7: In 2011, the trust successfully held evening community information meetings in multiple

[1:46:04] Voice 7: locations, including Victoria, Vancouver, and Warneby.

[1:46:08] Voice 7: We suggest a similar approach now to ensure broader participation and a more inclusive decision making STVR discussions from long-term housing needs.

[1:46:22] Voice 7: While the housing crisis must be addressed, reducing STVRs does not equate to creating long-term housing.

[1:46:29] Voice 7: We urge the LTC to move forward swiftly with zoning changes that support housing development such as allowing secondary suites into appropriately serviced homes within small lots subdivisions.

[1:46:42] Voice 7: 3. Prioritize Workforce Housing Zoning

[1:46:45] Voice 7: The 10-acre parcel of crown land identified by High Seat for Workforce Housing is ready for rezoning.

[1:46:52] Voice 7: Advancing this initiative would demonstrate a proactive step towards resolving the island's

[1:46:57] Voice 7: affordable housing shortage and supporting essential services.

[1:47:01] Voice 7: We want to be clear, the community is united in the desire to see meaningful progress on

[1:47:06] Voice 7: affordable and workforce housing.

[1:47:08] Voice 7: High-secure committees are working alongside the local trust committee to find balanced

[1:47:13] Voice 7: and lasting solutions.

[1:47:14] Voice 7: We urge the LGC to focus on achievable, actionable strategies that address root issues rather

[1:47:21] Voice 7: rather than reacting to symptoms in a way that may fracture the community or weaken the local economy.

[1:47:26] Voice 7: By working together with transparency, care, and respect,

[1:47:29] Voice 7: we believe we can build the kind of future that Carnegie Island deserves.

[1:47:33] Voice 7: And thank you again for your service and your attention to these matters.

[1:47:37] Voice 7: On behalf of the IC4.

[1:47:42] Voice 7: I'm Ms. Maria Morrison, and I'm a little bit like the fellow over there,

[1:47:48] Voice 7: where when I hear something said, I go to the sources and read about it a little bit.

[1:47:54] So I did participate in

[1:47:56] Voice 7: one of the community discussions.

[1:47:58] Voice 7: When you had a woman, you'd like to participate by being a consultant.

[1:48:03] Voice 7: Anyway, during that meeting, people were complaining,

[1:48:08] Voice 7: I think it was in your neighborhood, about short-term vacation rentals being a long show.

[1:48:14] Voice 7: And other people told anecdotal stories.

[1:48:17] Voice 7: stories. So I was up in Kelowna visiting my mother-in-law, having a coffee, and I thought,

[1:48:22] Voice 7: I've got to figure this out. So I phoned my mom, and I said, so I was at a meeting,

[1:48:28] Voice 7: this is what I heard. What can you tell me about complaints you have on record? And he said,

[1:48:34] Voice 7: well, okay, let me look. He said he had 12 open complaints, not one about a short-term

[1:48:41] Voice 7: vacation rental, they were all about illegal use of properties. So I started to think,

[1:48:48] Voice 7: are these all these poor under-housed people on Hornby Island who found a safe place for

[1:48:56] Voice 7: a little while to live, and what their neighbors are complaining about is, damn, not about

[1:49:02] Voice 7: short-term vacation rentals. So what I would ask you to do maybe is consult the by-law

[1:49:09] Voice 7: officer and I don't know if you can ask for a report that shows trends about complaints and

[1:49:16] Voice 7: what were they and are they in certain neighborhoods and were they like how were they resolved

[1:49:23] Voice 7: because I see the property management companies that are actually really impressed

[1:49:28] Voice 7: at the work that they do I'm really clear that if I see something going on

[1:49:35] Voice 7: And so I think maybe that's a piece of the puzzle that hasn't been addressed yet.

[1:49:45] Voice 7: Okay, thank you. I know there's one more there. Yeah, go ahead.

[1:50:01] Voice 7: I think we all agree that one of the big things about Hornby Island that we all love is that there are no hotels, no big resorts on the island.

[1:50:12] Voice 7: And a lot of the other communities and islands that have

[1:50:17] Voice 10: put caps on short-term rentals and

[1:50:23] Voice 10: resorts on them, and that's a little bit of a business thing that they're protecting because

[1:50:31] Voice 7: there's a lot of beds and everything to provide rooms for tourism and everything.

[1:50:35] Voice 7: Here we don't have that, so tourism really does rely quite heavily on short-term rentals.

[1:50:40] Voice 7: And so I think that's the reason why caps should be much higher than just a rental on

[1:50:44] Voice 7: set an arbitrary number based on an island that is based you know has a lot of hotels and that

[1:50:50] Voice 7: all have you know like that so that was the point i was going to make i keep it very short

[1:50:54] Voice 7: okay and i know i saw a hand over here

[1:51:02] Voice 7: my husband and i retired here about nine years ago now we've been living

[1:51:07] Voice 7: full time um i started coming in the 80s i absolutely fell in love with this beautiful

[1:51:14] Voice 7: place i can't i did some short-term rentals and um uh what i haven't heard too much of today in

[1:51:24] Voice 7: the discussion is just um i fell in love with the friendliness of the community the artists

[1:51:32] Voice 7: big market all of those things but really it's just you know it's the herring I didn't see the

[1:51:39] Voice 7: herring you know it's the nature it's this fabulous place that we all love and are drawn to

[1:51:48] Voice 7: and I think you know we have to consider the natural environment we have to consider the

[1:51:57] Voice 7: environment um i know you're talking about water use but um a lot of the social pressures and you

[1:52:06] Voice 7: know cost of real estate everything it's sort of a we have a little microcosm here so i think we

[1:52:11] Voice 7: can be leaders in figuring out what really matters and what our values are and then make

[1:52:19] Voice 7: them little you know they may be large adjustments but we need to make those adjustments

[1:52:24] Voice 7: we should start with you know what do the people need and what do our herring need and what does

[1:52:32] Voice 7: this island to be the beautiful paradise that it is need and i hear all these stories and i think

[1:52:42] Voice 7: they're all really important but i think um we all may need to make some compromises but i think if

[1:52:49] Voice 7: we can start with the natural environment as being important, we've kind of gone a long way.

[1:52:58] Voice 7: If it's not there, we don't have anything left. Thank you. My name

[1:53:10] Voice 9: is Ian Johnson. I first came

[1:53:13] Voice 9: here in 1982 and we ended up on Sea Riot Road and we watched the community grow and change with most

[1:53:22] Voice 9: most of the growth being in this huge influx that comes in during the tourist season.

[1:53:28] Voice 9: This is a key part of the economy of retirement.

[1:53:32] Voice 9: But by most academic measures, we are deep into over-tourism.

[1:53:38] Voice 9: And there seems to be an awareness of that and a sensitivity to it.

[1:53:42] Voice 9: And I've heard people willing to consider a cap.

[1:53:47] Voice 9: So to some extent, I think there is an understanding that, you know,

[1:53:52] Voice 9: somewhere out there we've reached enough. But

[1:53:57] Voice 9: what is enough? Have we measured enough?

[1:54:00] Voice 9: When is enough enough? Have we passed enough?

[1:54:03] Voice 7: Probably, probably,

[1:54:05] Voice 9: but what do we do next?

[1:54:07] Voice 9: So what does enough, what should enough look like? What should a cap be? Cap's going to be

[1:54:14] Voice 9: out there somewhere, otherwise this could just go absolutely crazy, because the number of rentables

[1:54:20] Voice 9: And the percentage of the population, the permanent population, has shifted up by quite a bit.

[1:54:26] Voice 9: The number that we've got right now, from a resident's point of view, is really stressful.

[1:54:32] Voice 7: It is economically beneficial, but

[1:54:38] Voice 8: it's also very stressful.

[1:54:40] Voice 8: The summer influx

[1:54:41] Voice 9: is to be seen.

[1:54:44] Voice 9: We've just seen the beginning of it yesterday.

[1:54:46] Voice 9: We came in on a late ferry.

[1:54:47] Voice 9: The line-up was out onto the highway.

[1:54:50] Voice 9: Okay, so the movement has begun.

[1:54:52] Voice 9: on this huge wave that comes in and does support so much but how big should it be it could keep

[1:55:00] Voice 9: growing but it's also if it does keep growing it's going to suffocate this community parts of

[1:55:06] Voice 9: this community and life support so when is enough enough what does enough look like how do we manage

[1:55:15] Voice 9: enough and then how do we release it and keep it so that there will continue to be be some level

[1:55:22] Voice 9: level of growth, but it is managed. It hasn't been managed up to now, and we're seeing some

[1:55:28] Voice 9: of the consequences of either indecision or poor decisions that were made historically.

[1:55:34] Voice 9: So

[1:55:34] Voice 7: it's a big deal. It's hard work, but we've got to do it,

[1:55:42] Voice 9: or we're going to really feel

[1:55:44] Voice 9: the consequences of indecision. Thank you.

[1:55:48] Voice 9: Thank

[1:55:49] Voice 7: you. And I see one more speaker over here, and then I'm going to follow recess.

[1:55:54] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[1:55:56] Voice 7: So I can articulate a little better from this corner, listening to what Ian is saying.

[1:56:06] Voice 7: There will be consequences because we came here camping in the 70s, but in the late 80s,

[1:56:15] Voice 7: so we've owned here for 35 years or whatever.

[1:56:20] Voice 7: When we first came here, there were 2.3 million people in BC.

[1:56:25] Voice 6: Looking at last night, by the

[1:56:31] Voice 7: time I'm scheduled to leave Earth, there were 7.9 people here

[1:56:37] Voice 7: sometime in 2030.

[1:56:47] Voice 8: Hornby wants to say, hey,

[1:56:50] Voice 7: I'm here, I don't want any more people to come to Hornby because

[1:56:56] Voice 7: we have a wonderful place.

[1:56:59] Voice 6: Somehow there has to be a mechanism to understand this because you think we have a lot of people

[1:57:04] Voice 6: here now we wait for another 10 years it's going to be difficult my second thing i'd like to say

[1:57:14] Voice 6: um you know being an architect historically and being involved in the planning process

[1:57:19] Voice 6: around the communities the one thing i don't like about

[1:57:25] Voice 7: what happened here on

[1:57:25] Voice 8: one of these

[1:57:26] Voice 8: is that people on

[1:57:33] Voice 10: the ocp people

[1:57:35] Voice 7: that live here there's been a select few on this

[1:57:38] Voice 6: committee for a long time it doesn't it's not an issue it's not individual please

[1:57:44] Voice 6: so i think

[1:57:47] Voice 7: we also need more diverse community representing

[1:57:50] Voice 7: agency representing a wider group of people that come part-timers full-timers

[1:58:01] Voice 7: different backgrounds not what we had for the last 10 years

[1:58:08] Voice 7: Okay, thank you. Um, so we've been at it for a couple hours here.

[1:58:14] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:58:16] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:58:18] Voice 8: Hi,

[1:58:19] Voice 7: my name is Laura.

[1:58:20] Voice 7: I was just planning on speaking today.

[1:58:23] Voice 7: My appeal is that because I'm a new minority in the room,

[1:58:27] Voice 7: being a young, non-folk-owning worker,

[1:58:30] Voice 7: I should speak up.

[1:58:32] Voice 7: It has been an absolute privilege to be able to sit on the island

[1:58:36] Voice 7: after the last five years.

[1:58:38] Voice 7: I can't speak on facts,

[1:58:40] Voice 7: but I can know from experience

[1:58:42] Voice 7: that my livelihood relies on short-term rentals.

[1:58:46] Voice 7: My landlords

[1:58:46] Voice 7: and sponsors throughout the years

[1:58:48] Voice 7: absolutely rely on vacation rentals

[1:58:51] Voice 7: to supplement costs,

[1:58:52] Voice 7: to allow long-term renters and employees like myself

[1:58:55] Voice 7: to stay here.

[1:58:57] Voice 7: The arbitrary cap thrown out

[1:58:59] Voice 7: would directly affect my way of life.

[1:59:01] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:59:06] Voice 7: all right i'm gonna uh i'm gonna call a recess uh and uh so we will come back here uh 1 45

[1:59:15] Voice 7: excuse me can

[1:59:16] Voice 7: i just say something yeah this hand was actually up in the first were you in the first

[1:59:21] Voice 7: round i'm really sorry

[1:59:23] Voice 7: then go ahead

[1:59:25] Voice 7: and then we're gonna take a recess thank you and i won't

[1:59:28] Voice 7: um and i didn't well i sort of did try to have the last word actually and the last word is this

[1:59:33] Voice 7: there's actually a lot of agreement um as trustee allen said at the end we've come a long way from

[1:59:39] Voice 7: where we started this conversation um there's a lot of people here who are saying the information

[1:59:47] Voice 7: needs to be better before decisions like this that affect real human lives get made the throwing out

[1:59:57] Voice 7: out of an arbitrary number for a

[2:00:00] Voice 7: is why this happened because the community wants to say what it thinks about that if you pass

[2:00:10] Voice 7: second reading as staff has recommended you are saying the bylaws as written which include the

[2:00:16] Voice 7: cap and do not have any for any anything for permanent residence are substantially what you

[2:00:22] Voice 7: want to what we want to implement what we are asking you to do is take a breath step back

[2:00:29] Voice 7: listen to what you've heard today and make some changes that reflect the whole community

[2:00:35] Voice 7: when nobody's asking you to stop what you think nobody well a few people but very few people in

[2:00:41] Voice 7: the room are saying no cash they're saying a reasonable cap that treats people who are

[2:00:46] Voice 7: behaving and following the laws with respect and fairness that's it

[2:00:56] Voice 7: Okay, so we're going to recess till 1.45.

[2:16:59] Voice 8: That's an order of play.

[2:17:24] Voice 6: All right,

[2:17:25] Voice 6: so we're back from recess now.

[2:17:27] Voice 7: That is the adoption of the meeting minutes of March 21st.

[2:17:37] Voice 7: trustees any amendments those minutes no i'll take it by general consent we'll adopt those

[2:17:43] Voice 7: minutes as presented and i'm moving along to the follow-up action report and i'll look to staff

[2:17:51] Voice 7: uh if there's anything you'd like to highlight for us here no updates to the follow-up okay

[2:17:56] Voice 7: and trustees any questions on the follow-up action list yes trustee allen

[2:18:11] Voice 7: Yeah, the Rogers Tower.

[2:18:16] Voice 7: Maybe that's been too long of a question.

[2:18:19] Voice 7: Just 01 November 2024, page 12.

[2:18:26] Voice 7: Staff consider it likely necessary to proponent disagrees.

[2:18:32] Voice 7: Yeah, so can you just explain, determine the time development information for the products,

[2:18:43] Voice 7: I'll have to check with the applicant planner assigned to the application.

[2:18:57] Voice 7: Anything else on the list? All right, so let's move on to page 14. We have a

[2:19:04] Voice 7: block frontage waiver application here. I'll turn it over to staff.

[2:19:15] Voice 7: thanks for joining us today hi

[2:19:17] Planner McCargar: good afternoon my name is marlis and i'm a planner out of the

[2:19:21] Planner McCargar: northern office i don't think i've ever presented to this ltc before so i'll just give a short

[2:19:26] Planner McCargar: presentation and then um take any questions if you have any i i'm not sure if the applicant

[2:19:33] Planner McCargar: is in the room but um yes

[2:19:35] Voice 5: they're here today

[2:19:36] Planner McCargar: okay great so then they can also answer any

[2:19:39] Planner McCargar: any questions that you might have. So the LTC is being asked to approve a frontage exemption for

[2:19:45] Planner McCargar: one lot, proposed lot one in the agenda package. It's a planned subdivision, specifically an

[2:19:52] Planner McCargar: internal lot line adjustment. So this means the LTC would be allowing the lot to have less road

[2:19:58] Planner McCargar: frontage than normally required. The regulations state that a lot must have road frontage equal to

[2:20:05] Planner McCargar: at least 10% of its total perimeter. Proposed lot one has a perimeter of approximately 808

[2:20:13] Planner McCargar: meters, so it should have around 80 meters of frontage. Currently it has 37.5 meters,

[2:20:21] Planner McCargar: roughly half of what is normally required. So some considerations, the lot is large at 1.91

[2:20:29] Planner McCargar: hectares. It's well over the minimum lot size allowed in this zone. It's a boundary adjustment,

[2:20:35] Planner McCargar: So this isn't a new lot being created. It's just a reshaping of existing property lines. It doesn't introduce any new issues. Even with this less frontage, the 37.5 meters along Shields Road, it's still considered enough for safe access.

[2:20:53] Planner McCargar: access there's no known environmental or practical issues that would be worsened by the smaller

[2:20:58] Planner McCargar: frontage and the layout works with the existing land shape and lot pattern it's consistent with

[2:21:04] Planner McCargar: what's already there so it wouldn't really be a deviation from what is currently there now

[2:21:09] Planner McCargar: so staff are recommending that the LTC approve the exemption however you do have other alternative

[2:21:16] Planner McCargar: options which would be to ask for more information or deny the exemption if you believe the

[2:21:23] Planner McCargar: the reduced frontage is a concern.

[2:21:25] Planner McCargar: Are there any questions?

[2:21:27] Voice 7: Thank you, Flannery-McCarter.

[2:21:29] Voice 7: Trustees, any questions?

[2:21:32] Voice 7: No, and applicants here, did you want to add anything?

[2:21:37] Voice 7: No, just that we're, we consider it fairly minor,

[2:21:40] Voice 7: but we just want to continue to be good stewards.

[2:21:44] Voice 7: And that's the point to this,

[2:21:46] Voice 7: the point to moving is to allow trees to stay.

[2:21:49] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[2:21:50] Voice 7: Trustees, any questions for the applicant?

[2:21:52] Voice 7: No, I think it's very straightforward. I'll make the motion. Go ahead.

[2:21:58] Voice 7: That the

[2:21:59] Voice 6: Hornby Island Local Trust Committee exempt proposed

[2:22:02] Voice 6: brought one section 6 Hornby Island and IMO District Plan 30464

[2:22:12] Voice 6: except part in Plan VIP88575

[2:22:20] Voice 6: 5 of subdivision pl sub 202 40304 corcan from the 1 10th perimeter provision of section 512

[2:22:33] Voice 6: of the local government act subsection 6.61 of the hornby island land use

[2:22:40] Voice 7: bylaw number 150 2014.

[2:22:43] Voice 7: report to you moved do you have a seconder you can second it any further discussion

[2:22:51] Voice 7: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor and the motion carries

[2:22:59] Voice 7: all right then so that brings us down to um the project uh starting on page 31 and i'll turn it

[2:23:11] Voice 7: over to

[2:23:12] Voice 7: Ms. Zipanek.

[2:23:14] Voice 7: Thank you. I'm having a set of times.

[2:23:16] I know that the trustee's annual report

[2:23:19] resolution was important to conduct

[2:23:20] Voice 7: before the close of this business meeting.

[2:23:23] Voice 7: I'm not sure if you want to

[2:23:25] Voice 7: bump that up prior to

[2:23:27] Voice 7: the resolution because it may or may not

[2:23:29] Voice 7: require more time.

[2:23:31] Voice 7: Okay. Trustees, are you

[2:23:32] Voice 7: content to move to the annual report

[2:23:35] Voice 7: section and then come back?

[2:23:37] Voice 7: So the annual report

[2:23:38] Voice 7: report is on page 50. And it's coming to us from Trust Area Services. Hopefully you reviewed it. And there's, there's no amendments required, we can move to, to approve it. Or if there's amendments, we can approve it as amended.

[2:24:04] Voice 7: that's these i moved that the uh foregone legacy approves the attached text for inclusion in the

[2:24:12] Voice 7: 2024-25 pending report for approval by trust council and submissions administered housing

[2:24:19] Voice 7: moved to have a seconder seconded by trustee scott

[2:24:23] Voice 7: any further discussion see any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:24:34] Voice 7: any opposed okay that carries as well all right let's go back then to the project and then this

[2:24:44] Voice 7: other stuff is final so uh starting on page 31 and black back to planners great thank you so the

[2:24:53] Voice 7: attached by us to the staff report our track changes versions based on your resolutions in

[2:24:59] Voice 7: March of this year, requesting staff to specify the maximum

[2:25:05] Voice 7: density for the PU subzone, a zone that was also mentioned

[2:25:10] Voice 7: today in the public comment section. So we did receive some

[2:25:14] Voice 7: clarification on the density for affordable housing for that

[2:25:16] Voice 7: specific zone that we've included in this draft. We've

[2:25:20] Voice 7: removed the consideration of the secondary dwellings on lots less

[2:25:24] Voice 7: than four hectares of secondary cities on all residential

[2:25:26] Voice 7: properties to defer to the next stage of the project. So this track changes version includes

[2:25:32] Voice 7: all those pieces removed based on first nations input that you received and included the cap

[2:25:39] Voice 7: that was agreed upon by the local trust committee for a draft of 1867 to raise permits for the

[2:25:45] Voice 7: vacation home rentals. So attachments one and two show the track changes versions as

[2:25:50] Voice 7: as for the direction that we received in March,

[2:25:53] Voice 7: and attachments three and four are the draft clean

[2:25:57] Voice 7: and post-file should you decide

[2:25:59] Voice 7: that you're ready to give second reading today

[2:26:01] Voice 7: and proceed to community information reading public hearing.

[2:26:05] Voice 7: So today, ideally staff get a clear direction

[2:26:08] Voice 7: on whether or not you wish to make any changes

[2:26:10] Voice 7: to those track changes versions,

[2:26:14] Voice 7: or whether or not you're deferring second consideration

[2:26:17] Voice 7: of second reading.

[2:26:18] Voice 7: so at this point we're suggesting that there's been no change to the number of registrations

[2:26:23] Voice 7: from the staff report based on Warren Damon's report back to staff there was 44

[2:26:34] Voice 7: registered vacation rent or short-term rentals with the provincial registry

[2:26:39] Voice 7: so I don't have any further updates other than that number I didn't access that myself

[2:26:45] Voice 7: So that's been passed on to us and you may decide to postpone consideration until the fall specifically for the vacation rental regulations and proceed with the other elements of this file.

[2:27:02] Voice 7: we keep stripping it down it seems so what would be left would be the PUA zone

[2:27:08] Voice 7: the removal of the aquifer designation the keeping of chickens for personal use that would

[2:27:16] Voice 7: really be the pick and substance if we decide to take out the vacation rental piece today and

[2:27:22] Voice 7: proceed with second reading with the other elements because this is a two-phased OCP

[2:27:28] Voice 7: LDB review we have a significant portion of work related to the co-op stations input and engagement

[2:27:34] Voice 7: that is still to come and you saw a taste of that at the march meeting in terms of the types of land

[2:27:39] Voice 7: use implications that you are likely going to have formal recommendations about from co-op stations

[2:27:46] Voice 7: in terms of heritage conservation and environmental protection measures so you could include

[2:27:53] Voice 7: the vacation rentals with that portion that may or may not be

[2:27:59] Voice 7: helpful however if you wish to advance something today we do still have elements of business bylaw

[2:28:06] Voice 7: that don't seem to have a lot of public concern or question around chickens

[2:28:11] Voice 7: it goes. Just yeah, we'll give them that we received this

[2:28:25] Voice 7: information from a member in certain a great line, we sent it

[2:28:30] Voice 7: to us. And I tried to get in contact with our water

[2:28:34] Voice 7: specialists and step answer it this morning, and they've got a

[2:28:37] Voice 7: personal development or something going on today.

[2:28:39] Voice 7: I wanted to defer this until we get information from William regarding the concerns that were

[2:28:47] Voice 7: raised for designation and how this all started because I really don't know and I think we

[2:28:53] Voice 7: need more information.

[2:28:55] Voice 7: Is this being brought forward to us?

[2:28:57] Voice 7: I don't feel comfortable putting this in right now because of what the subdivision has done.

[2:29:04] Voice 7: So the

[2:29:04] Voice 7: direction from the local trust committee was to remove that additional aquifer designation, not to keep it in.

[2:29:13] Voice 7: So right now, the way the draft changes version stands is that it already is slated to be removed right before it's shown this red line up.

[2:29:23] Voice 7: Because the rationale for putting it in the first place was not based on any kind of groundwater aquifer studies.

[2:29:31] Voice 7: and so that may or may not address the office concerns. I'm not sure if there was any misunderstanding

[2:29:37] Voice 7: about how these draft bylaws have been advanced by the local trust committee, but currently

[2:29:41] Voice 7: the direction from the local trust committee is to remove that designation.

[2:29:48] Voice 7: I do have quite a lot of questions regarding how the council problems is going to deal

[2:29:56] Voice 7: with monitoring and how we're going to deal with monitoring.

[2:30:00] Voice 7: and um i'm not sure this is the correct time to ask him either whether he had the answers but

[2:30:05] Voice 7: i have a few questions so what's up just just before you continue trustee allen sounds like

[2:30:15] Voice 7: what we're hearing from staff is that there's um there's an option to proceed with the

[2:30:22] Voice 7: dua zone the removal of that for designation and the chickens part

[2:30:28] Voice 7: separate from

[2:30:29] Voice 6: the short-term vacation rentals absolutely that's

[2:30:33] Voice 6: that's a possibility we could

[2:30:34] Voice 7: advance that today if we wanted to wait on the other piece um

[2:30:38] Voice 5: so

[2:30:40] Voice 7: that's i'm hearing that

[2:30:41] Voice 7: correctly then yeah okay and then it's

[2:30:43] Voice 5: back to you trustee allen

[2:30:44] Voice 7: let's let's address this

[2:30:49] Voice 7: address what we can first and then this is all regarding the vacation rentals

[2:30:56] Voice 7: spot so i'm willing to defer that until we do the disco okay

[2:31:03] Voice 6: trustee scott

[2:31:05] Voice 6: excuse me well i think we've deferred this short term vacation rental question many many times

[2:31:13] Voice 6: here we are 2025 we started this whole question of the ocp and the land use bylaw

[2:31:21] Voice 6: how

[2:31:22] Voice 7: long ago three four years ago we've had consultants reports we've had

[2:31:30] Voice 6: numerous community

[2:31:31] Voice 6: meetings we had the apc give us a report i've heard some questions we haven't had enough data

[2:31:38] Voice 6: on it but i'm not sure where that data out there would exist we know we can know fairly closely i

[2:31:46] Voice 6: think we've got history we've got the bylaw enforcement people who've got a pretty good

[2:31:50] Voice 6: idea how many short-term vacation rentals and what they are on this island i don't think it

[2:31:56] Voice 6: can be that complicated so i'd like to move to that second reading so we can proceed towards

[2:32:01] Voice 6: in the fall a public meeting where these issues that's don't worry that the 67

[2:32:09] Voice 6: the 67 is not even notched in stone

[2:32:19] Voice 10: Okay,

[2:32:19] Voice 2: I'm just going to remind members of the public, this is not your time to speak.

[2:32:25] Voice 7: In

[2:32:25] Voice 3: hindsight, that might have been a better idea, but at the time it seemed like a good

[2:32:31] Voice 3: idea to have something to discuss to start with, otherwise

[2:32:34] Voice 6: it's the move for the floor.

[2:32:38] Voice 6: so it seemed for discussion purposes only

[2:32:41] Voice 7: and that was the point of doing it so that's kind

[2:32:46] Voice 7: of where i sit on this i want to move ahead so that in the fall we can have the meeting here

[2:32:52] Voice 7: and we can talk about all these issues and we can come up with some resolution i think you

[2:32:56] Voice 7: just talk about chickens and the

[2:32:59] Voice 6: water issue i think we would not be being responsible

[2:33:03] Voice 6: and

[2:33:04] Voice 7: i just had a question for staff um i know in our march meeting in response to the comox

[2:33:10] Voice 7: first nations request we agreed to wait on some of our decisions um until july 1st so uh

[2:33:20] Voice 5: as far as your advice on what's before us today um do you feel like there's elements here that we

[2:33:30] Voice 5: have essentially agreed to wait on well

[2:33:33] Voice 7: that request specifically is how you determine that

[2:33:38] Voice 7: you're removing the detached secondary dwellings and secondary seats from this discussion from

[2:33:43] Voice 7: these dialogues at this point in time because that was the substance of the concern was this

[2:33:49] Voice 7: cart launch permission for the increased residential intensification of use without

[2:33:56] Voice 7: about their ability to use the suitable land analysis data

[2:33:59] Voice 7: that we've just given them

[2:34:01] Voice 7: and their own newly acquired resources in-house

[2:34:06] Voice 7: for their referrals team to evaluate the proposed impacts

[2:34:10] Voice 7: and provide you with a referral response.

[2:34:13] Voice 7: So that's still coming and you've addressed that request.

[2:34:17] Voice 7: These bylaws that are on the agenda today

[2:34:21] Voice 7: we're not a bit concerned uh we're not um subject to that request for the deferred consideration

[2:34:32] Voice 5: okay

[2:34:32] Voice 7: thank you public comment session today we did hear that there is um you know a potential

[2:34:40] Voice 7: application for affordable housing that would be contingent on that pua zoning to be advanced

[2:34:46] Voice 7: so whether or not it's given second reading today and that there isn't a public hearing until the

[2:34:51] Voice 7: fall i'm not sure that actually helps expedite anything because it's really until the adoption

[2:34:57] Voice 7: of the bylaws that that zoning is amended um so a deferment i'm not sure actually

[2:35:03] Voice 7: the end result may not be that there's an expediting that concern that request for that

[2:35:11] Voice 7: until the adoption of violence right now it's rolled into these other projects is targeted

[2:35:20] Voice 7: but it does cover a number of land use planning topics you know some are more interesting than

[2:35:26] Voice 7: others some need to be expedited more than others and that's part of this process is

[2:35:32] Voice 7: how do we tease all this out but yet still advance this in a time-sensitive way

[2:35:36] Voice 6: Okay, Trustee Scott, you had something?

[2:35:39] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:35:40] Voice 6: I'm a bit confused.

[2:35:42] Voice 6: It says on page 33, it says at the top, rationale for recommendations.

[2:35:49] Voice 6: It says staff recommended the Local Trust Committee consider second reading for proposed bylaws 176 and 177

[2:35:57] Voice 6: to advance provisions for temporary use permits for vacation rentals

[2:36:03] Voice 6: and the allowance of chickens in residential zones.

[2:36:14] Voice 7: Well, that's what these track changes draft bylaws and their agenda package are.

[2:36:19] Voice 7: It includes the cap, it includes all the changes that you request in e-merge.

[2:36:24] Voice 7: Based on what you've heard today, I'm suggesting that you may be considering, and you may not be,

[2:36:30] Voice 7: but you may be considering the request from a number of correspondence pieces and speakers

[2:36:36] Voice 7: us today to defer consideration of that cap until the fall so that's not reflected in this staff

[2:36:44] Voice 7: recommendation but it is what you have been hearing as well so you may be considering that

[2:36:50] Voice 7: option and then just to simplify things for us over here there's five recommendations so can

[2:36:56] Voice 7: you just identify which of the recommendations speak to the ua aquifer

[2:37:02] Voice 5: chickens yeah because

[2:37:04] Voice 3: Because I find this very confusing.

[2:37:06] Voice 3: Well,

[2:37:07] Voice 7: the track changes, attachments one and two,

[2:37:10] Voice 7: include all the requests of changes that you made at your marketing meeting.

[2:37:14] Voice 7: That's just to show you what that looks like.

[2:37:16] Voice 7: When you take them out or add those elements.

[2:37:19] Voice 7: I have not split up the changes based on topics.

[2:37:24] Voice 7: Okay,

[2:37:25] Voice 8: so we would need to...

[2:37:26] Voice 7: One is for your OCP and one is for your land use file.

[2:37:29] Voice 7: And all those track changes include...

[2:37:42] Voice 7: Okay, so if there is a desire to defer the short-term vacation rentals, then we would

[2:37:52] Voice 7: need to amend before we...

[2:37:54] Voice 7: Correct.

[2:37:54] Voice 7: I need to help you with the wording of that resolution to be really clear about which

[2:37:58] Voice 7: portions of this track changes by now that you are not endorsing the second reading.

[2:38:05] Voice 7: But I thought that number

[2:38:06] Voice 7: five says that right there that we defer a new report back in 2025 so

[2:38:13] Voice 7: we have to have another one.

[2:38:20] Voice 7: It doesn't matter.

[2:38:24] Voice 10: Prior

[2:38:24] Voice 7: to holding a community information meeting.

[2:38:28] Voice 7: in public right so yeah so just so everybody understands one second reading is given to bylaws

[2:38:33] Voice 7: the local trust committee is basically indicating that the bylaws are as close as or as good as they

[2:38:40] Voice 7: need them to be prior to a public hearing so we're suggesting that if you did do this that you don't

[2:38:47] Voice 7: hold the community information public hearing right away which they could do in july at your

[2:38:51] Voice 7: next business meeting right that would be the regular course of events to keep a project moving

[2:38:55] Voice 7: moving forward in this case the staff report and their recommendations are saying you might want

[2:39:00] Voice 7: to take the summer to wait because you may want to solicit more input over the summer review the

[2:39:06] Voice 7: provincial registry and any follow-up data from the summer's worth of complaints rental enforcement

[2:39:12] Voice 7: issues and then hold a community information meeting in public hearing so we're not suggesting

[2:39:18] Voice 7: that you prefer second reading necessarily again that's up to you based on what you put today

[2:39:24] Voice 7: it's that input, the public input piece and the public hearing possibly need to be considered

[2:39:30] Voice 7: to be held after the close of the summer so that you do have, as has been suggested, sufficient

[2:39:36] Voice 7: evidence or data or public input on the options that you need to consider. Because once the

[2:39:42] Voice 7: public hearing is held and closed, that closes the opportunity for any further public input.

[2:39:47] Voice 7: it's a formal process in which it it delineates the end of the comment period and the beginning

[2:39:54] Voice 7: of the consideration of whether or not to advance those bylaws to adoption right and then just for

[2:40:00] Voice 7: clarity uh second reading is often the the um the the spur to uh certain referrals and stops right

[2:40:12] Voice 7: The referral period is closed.

[2:40:13] Voice 7: We have completed the referrals

[2:40:15] Voice 7: minus the Comox First Nation request

[2:40:17] Voice 7: for comments, but that was based

[2:40:19] Voice 7: on certain elements that have now been

[2:40:21] Voice 7: pulled out, and that was

[2:40:22] Voice 7: all related to the

[2:40:23] Voice 7: housing. So

[2:40:25] Voice 7: these bylaws, as they stand, need no

[2:40:27] Voice 7: further referrals. Staff are not recommending

[2:40:29] Voice 7: that we re-refer to any agencies or

[2:40:31] Voice 7: First Nations based on what's in here.

[2:40:33] Voice 7: This is strictly to do now with your

[2:40:35] Voice 7: comfort level at

[2:40:37] Voice 7: having these bylaws match the

[2:40:39] Voice 7: intent of the original project charter, which was

[2:40:41] Voice 7: to introduce temporary use permit provisions for vacation rentals. So the

[2:40:47] Voice 7: project charter is what guides your staff in terms of how we deliver that

[2:40:52] Voice 7: by-law. If you want to change the project charter, that's listed as an alternative

[2:40:55] Voice 7: in the staff report always to say actually the scope of this project needs

[2:40:59] Voice 7: to be amended. That's no longer a tool that we want to use to regulate vacation rentals.

[2:41:04] Voice 7: At every point we need to confirm that we're still on track in terms of delivering what

[2:41:10] Voice 7: it was that you expected to do based on the input you've received the referral responses

[2:41:15] Voice 7: planning principles in general is this project still going in the direction that you wanted to

[2:41:21] Voice 7: go and these business meetings are the only opportunity for you to discuss that and direct

[2:41:26] Voice 7: yourself because we don't meet in between we don't talk about this outside of these meetings

[2:41:31] Voice 7: so today we need some clarification on how would you like us to use our time

[2:41:35] Voice 7: to help you and your community find some resolution in this project which covers

[2:41:40] Voice 7: a number of topics but this one being the one that seems to be distracting uh the most from

[2:41:46] Voice 7: all the other elements as well which are equally important um and have other land use implications

[2:41:53] Voice 7: right so then uh trustees it seems we have well we have a number of options we could um

[2:41:59] Voice 7: advance we could amend um an advanced pua uh removal of aquifer and chickens

[2:42:07] Voice 7: uh we could go ahead and get everything set and reading uh non-amended which would just mean

[2:42:14] Voice 7: that we might amend in the future or we could do any of the other alternatives today so just open

[2:42:21] Voice 7: it for discussion um before we advance uh any emotions trustee allen my

[2:42:27] Voice 2: thoughts so just one

[2:42:28] Voice 7: more i just i'd ask you this so one and two of all of everything so we don't want to have

[2:42:34] Voice 7: everything and just take your time remember those and go for three four and five like in

[2:42:42] Voice 7: terms of like my concern is based on what we've heard and basically we kind of threw out that

[2:42:49] Voice 7: number arbitrarily just to get the conversation started that based on what we've heard i think

[2:42:55] Voice 7: we've got a whole lot of fun that obviously people there's an appetite for a cap but we

[2:43:00] Voice 7: don't know what that cap will be and i think that um i don't think we should have the cap within

[2:43:07] Voice 7: the cap of 67 in this recommendations because what i've heard today and um also we threw it

[2:43:13] Voice 7: out as a random number not just to get the conversation started so that's how i'm feeling

[2:43:19] Voice 7: the other elements of the amended bylaws you're comfortable with and that was strengthening the

[2:43:30] Voice 7: language of the temporary guidelines regarding accepting water requirements that was the density

[2:43:35] Voice 7: that's been proposed for the affordable housing project should be successful and if all those

[2:43:41] Voice 7: other elements are still satisfactory to all participants then i'd strongly recommend an

[2:43:46] Voice 7: an amendment that removes the cap but endorses all the other changes that's presented in the attachment

[2:43:55] Voice 7: another question there seems to be concern that a staffing issue with temporary permits

[2:44:02] Voice 7: being able to deal with them um can you comment on that so when your bylaws get to the point where

[2:44:12] Voice 7: executive committee has to approve them which is after third reading we send the bylaws to the

[2:44:17] Voice 7: executive committee we shot drafts the report to the executive committee that's nothing to do with

[2:44:21] Voice 7: the local trust committee anymore at that point advising of the implications financial and resource

[2:44:26] Voice 7: implications of the proposed bylaws on the table so we're disclosing at this stage for you that

[2:44:31] Voice 7: of course that report is going to highlight the fact that there could be up to 130 applications

[2:44:38] Voice 7: for temporary use permits between you know a certain time period of october to december for

[2:44:43] Voice 7: example that need to be processed in time for the next season's rental period and so the implications

[2:44:51] Voice 7: of that is something that we just we're transparent about to the executive committee to say yes there

[2:44:55] Voice 7: are implications we need additional staffing to be able to accurately and efficiently process that

[2:45:03] Voice 7: number of applications in a short period of time it is up to the executive committee to decide

[2:45:07] Voice 7: whether or not they wish to adopt those bylaws so it is for and you're a member of the ec

[2:45:15] Voice 7: at your table which is great that's how this works is so that you can consider these situations and

[2:45:21] Voice 7: implications in terms of how you wish to proceed because that is your bylaws aren't adopted

[2:45:27] Voice 7: without executive committee approval and so if there is an island stress council concern around

[2:45:33] Voice 7: budgets fiscal allocations to one particular ltc because they have a significantly higher

[2:45:40] Voice 7: proportion of applications than any other of the other 13 local trust committees

[2:45:45] Voice 7: that's out of my scope of control to report back on just a planner however management is indicated

[2:45:51] Voice 7: and that's in the staff report that they would be willing to prepare a supplemental report for

[2:45:55] Voice 7: the local trust committee on how to address this particular issue regardless of a cap

[2:46:03] Voice 7: there will be a significant number of applications if you choose the temporary use permit

[2:46:08] Voice 7: tool to regulate this type of language and so those implications early and the community has

[2:46:15] Voice 7: the right at a public hearing to understand what that process looks like and what the costs would

[2:46:19] Voice 7: be because there has been suggestions that there be reduced or deferred costs for temporary use

[2:46:25] Voice 7: permits of which that is an impossibility for us to do since we must recover costs for the

[2:46:30] Voice 7: processing time unless the local trust can get some other fee structure that they're able to tap

[2:46:34] Voice 7: into to support the additional costs to do the work the follow-up question so because i'm an

[2:46:42] Voice 7: impression that you know in terms of the cost of how long it takes to process that application

[2:46:48] Voice 7: should be borne by the person that applied for it so should we not be looking at what we're charging

[2:46:54] Voice 7: for temporary permits to cover the cost of the staff processing or is that not we already have

[2:47:01] Voice 7: a fee structure for temporary permits for example do you know roughly how much time it takes to

[2:47:07] Voice 7: process based on you know there's a number of guidelines that have to be addressed so that

[2:47:12] Voice 7: fee structure likely wouldn't be tweaked much more than what currently exists but that's all

[2:47:19] Voice 7: prior to consideration management is offered to prepare a supplemental report should you choose

[2:47:24] Voice 7: will you be able to help us with some hurting

[2:47:35] Voice 7: so uh let me break it down so recommendations one and two are specific to your official community

[2:47:41] Voice 7: plan this isn't the staff report recommendations three and four are specific to your land use

[2:47:46] Voice 7: bylaw the CAF shows up in the land use bylaw so the first resolution if you're headed in the

[2:47:54] Voice 7: direction that I think you are is requesting an amendment to the bylaw which is just the draft

[2:48:03] Voice 7: because again you haven't read this bylaw with the track changes this is just a draft for

[2:48:09] Voice 7: discussion that's presented to you today so it would be to amend the draft removing

[2:48:15] Voice 7: moving the provision for the 67 of the cap of 67 temporary use points then once that resolution is

[2:48:28] Voice 7: passed you can proceed with the recommendations as laid out in the staff report two

[2:48:34] Voice 3: three four and

[2:48:34] Voice 3: five one

[2:48:35] Voice 7: two three four they

[2:48:37] Voice 3: will if

[2:48:39] Voice 7: you agree with the the other changes again i haven't had

[2:48:44] Voice 7: any questions about the other changes that you requested uh staff to prepare so i'm assuming

[2:48:50] Voice 7: that that is because they've addressed your concerns and they're sufficiently representative

[2:48:55] Voice 7: of the direction that you have chosen to go okay well i moved at the hornbeam local trust committee

[2:49:02] Voice 7: by law number 176 right oh yeah an official community plan bylaw number 149 2014 amendment

[2:49:12] Voice 7: amendment number one 24 request amendment draft bylaw removing the provision for the 67 cap

[2:49:21] Voice 7: okay number one the first recommendation just leaving

[2:49:31] Voice 7: the same number yeah so yes um but the hornbeam local trust committee um file number 177

[2:49:44] Voice 7: cited as hornbeam 90s file number 50 2014 and number 1 2024 as presented in attachment to

[2:49:55] Voice 7: of the staff report dated may 16 2025 be amended by removing sorry i just need to get the citation

[2:50:36] Voice 7: removing 1.11 11b 0

[2:50:44] Voice 7: .11

[2:50:46] Voice 7: one the 37 vacations and rentals and so one and two uh change number three as you recommended and

[2:51:09] Voice 7: then four and five are okay that has the tenant effect yes the one that i just made up is the one

[2:51:17] Voice 6: that

[2:51:17] Voice 7: has to probably read prior to three and four which relate to the land use file amendments okay

[2:51:26] Voice 6: okay so the one you just read

[2:51:28] Voice 6: is it would be an additional one it just has

[2:51:30] Voice 7: the preamble okay

[2:51:33] Voice 7: so i i've got that noted down so trustees that if you wanted to

[2:51:39] Voice 7: looking at the time here we want to uh proceed in that manner we could do resolution one and two

[2:51:47] Voice 7: and then i'd be prepared to make the one that would amend and then we could do three four and

[2:51:53] Voice 7: 5. sorry when i moved at the worm yard local trust committee file number 176

[2:51:57] Voice 7: then number one 2024 be amended as per the track changes from the special one

[2:52:04] Voice 7: was established for the date of may 16th so moved seconded by trustee scott any further discussion

[2:52:14] Voice 7: call the question all those in favor that carries and then number two all right i moved at the

[2:52:22] Voice 7: the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee By-law number 176,

[2:52:25] Voice 7: cited as Hornby Island Official Community Plan

[2:52:27] Voice 7: by-law number 149, 2014,

[2:52:29] Voice 7: and then the number 1, 2024, be read.

[2:52:31] Voice 7: The seconder.

[2:52:34] Voice 7: Move.

[2:52:36] Voice 7: Seconded.

[2:52:37] Voice 7: Further discussion?

[2:52:39] Voice 7: Call the question.

[2:52:41] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[2:52:43] Voice 7: And that carries.

[2:52:44] Voice 7: Okay, so I'll make the next one.

[2:52:46] Voice 7: Move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[2:52:48] Voice 7: by-law number 177,

[2:52:50] Voice 7: cited as Hornby Island Land Use by-law number 150, 2014,

[2:52:54] Voice 7: 14 amendment number one 2024 be amended by removing 1.11b the cap of 67 vacation home rentals

[2:53:04] Voice 7: second

[2:53:05] Voice 8: that's

[2:53:10] Voice 7: moved and seconded any further discussion i'm seeing any i'll call the question

[2:53:16] Voice 7: all those in favor that carries and then four uh then we skip to four right no now you're going to

[2:53:32] Voice 7: oh number three yeah three so now you've amended that draft as presented in the attachment okay by

[2:53:38] Voice 7: removing one provision and now you're going to endorse all the other track changes with number

[2:53:44] Voice 7: three okay so we can just read three as it is right excellent

[2:53:48] Voice 6: what's the number what's what's

[2:53:50] Voice 6: that last motion number exactly that

[2:53:52] Voice 7: was uh number two a two a whatever so if we can go ahead with

[2:53:58] Voice 7: three four and five i know that the morning on local trust committee byline number one seven

[2:54:03] Voice 7: seven cited for me on last year's byline number 150 2014 and number one 2024. even as per the

[2:54:10] Voice 7: track changes shown in attachment to the staff report due to legal expense 2025 moved second

[2:54:19] Voice 7: any further discussion all the questions all those in favor that carries i know that the

[2:54:29] Voice 7: the Hormighan Local Trust Committee by-law number 177

[2:54:32] Voice 7: cited Hormighan land use by-law number 150-2014

[2:54:35] Voice 7: amends it to number 1204, be read.

[2:54:38] Voice 7: Oh no, did I just do that?

[2:54:39] Voice 7: No.

[2:54:39] Voice 7: Okay, be read a second time.

[2:54:42] Voice 7: Moved.

[2:54:44] Voice 7: Seconded.

[2:54:45] Voice 7: Discussion?

[2:54:46] Voice 7: All those in favour?

[2:54:48] Voice 7: That carries.

[2:54:51] Voice 7: Number five.

[2:54:52] Voice 7: The Hormighan Local Trust Committee

[2:54:53] Voice 7: requested staff to report back in 2025

[2:54:56] Voice 7: on the land use impacts and implications

[2:54:58] Voice 7: of the provincial short-term rental registry prior to scheduling a special meeting to hold

[2:55:03] Voice 7: a community information meeting and public hearing for proposed bylaws numbers 176 and 177.

[2:55:10] Voice 4: Moved. Seconded by Trustee Scott. All those in favour? Carries.

[2:55:19] Voice 7: Okay, thank you very much. So that means that in the fall the next report that you'll receive

[2:55:24] Voice 7: regarding this will be as much substantive data and information that we can provide you with in

[2:55:30] Voice 7: terms of whether or not

[2:55:31] Voice 7: you need to consider or address any implications of the temporary

[2:55:36] Voice 7: use occurrence or the caps that you may or may not be considering based on the information that

[2:55:42] Voice 7: we have available after the summer season and then you can consider the scheduling of a community

[2:55:48] Voice 7: information meeting and public hearing you can also consider refining these bylaws you can get

[2:55:54] Voice 7: second reading as amended prior to or you can wait until the close of the hearing to determine

[2:56:03] Voice 7: what different changes you wish to make great thank you okay so we have covered off the annual

[2:56:12] Voice 7: report um there is a highlight to the island stress conservancy march 18th board meeting

[2:56:19] Voice 7: for information on page 53.

[2:56:23] Voice 7: Applications report dated May 8th on page 55.

[2:56:32] Voice 7: See it as a local expense report on 61.

[2:56:36] Voice 7: We have not changed adopted policies

[2:56:38] Voice 7: and standing resolutions.

[2:56:43] Voice 7: And we have the active project support on page 67.

[2:56:49] Voice 7: And the future project report on

[2:56:52] Voice 9: 68.

[2:56:53] Voice 9: so

[2:56:55] Voice 7: the next regular meeting is scheduled for friday july 4th and um we have discussed uh

[2:57:05] Voice 7: shifting that one to electronic um due to of course the increased ferry traffic um so do you

[2:57:14] Voice 7: need a motion to that effect today okay so i move that the hornby island local trust committee

[2:57:21] Voice 7: meeting scheduled for friday july 4th um we moved to electronic format second third okay all those

[2:57:35] Voice 7: papers thank you okay that uh concludes our business for today then wasn't there a different

[2:57:45] Voice 7: use permit for the central road that's not

[2:57:50] Voice 6: on today's agenda

[2:57:54] Voice 7: no we only had the there was just the frontage waiver that was our only

[2:57:58] Voice 7: yeah uh so that concludes our agenda for today and i just want to appreciate everyone for coming

[2:58:07] Voice 7: out and addressing the local trust committee mostly staying within the guidelines and uh

[2:58:12] Voice 7: and staying respectful so appreciate it

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                          Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 16, 2025 
Hornby Island Community Hall 
Central Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee  
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Renée Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager (electronic) 
 Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner (electronic) 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 105 members of the public in 
attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 11:30 a.m. 
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Peterson acknowledged that the meeting was held on the territory of the Coast 
Salish First Nations. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Scott reported receipt of correspondence regarding the proposed cap on 
short-term vacation rentals and noted there is opportunity to collectively 
determine the conditions for rentals and develop regulations unique to Hornby 
Island. 
Trustee Allen acknowledged the tradition of vacation rentals on Hornby Island, 
how the operations contribute to the local economy, and encouraged the 
community to work together with the Local Trust Committee to develop 
regulations. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Peterson reported the following: 
 Attended Trust Council in March and highlighted the election of a new Chair, 
the passing of the budget, and the new Trust-wide Meeting Procedures Bylaw 
that will come back for adoption at June Trust Council;  

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 Ongoing participation in the Islands Trust Policy Statement amendment 
project; 
 Attended the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities 
convention and highlighted a BC Nurses Union presentation on recruitment 
and retention and data presented showing significant differences in 
availability of medical facilities and capacity in northern Vancouver Island 
communities compared to communities south of the Malahat; 
 Attended a Committee of the Whole meeting to discuss the Islands Trust 
Object; 
 The provincially mandated Housing Needs Assessment has been released 
and the models used to gather data are problematic and did not effectively 
capture the housing needs in the Gulf Islands; and 
 A pre-budget survey is available on the website to receive community 
feedback prior to 2026/27 budget talks. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Director Arbour reported the following: 
 The Cowichan Valley Regional District approved the tender for the boat ramp 
construction to commence in June and noted the work will affect access to 
the ramp during the summer months; and 
 The Housing Authority has been established and is engaging with non-profit 
housing associations. 
4.4 Islands Trust Conservancy Report - none 
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
Forty-one members of the public spoke to the proposed short-term vacation rental cap 
and the comments were summarized as follows: 
 Many of the speakers were multi-generational full-time or part-time residents who 
own, or inherited, their property and rent it out during the summer season to be able 
to afford the property taxes and insurance;  
 Decisions on a cap should be delayed until the provincial short-term vacation rental 
registry data is released and it is determined how many rentals are already 
operating; 
 Vacation rentals provide jobs, support artists and artisans, and provide a chance for 
BC residents to enjoy the island; 
 Many people that grew up on the island, or vacationed in the summer, have returned 
as residents and have started their own vacation rental to provide services to visitors; 
 If the cap is less than the current number of rental operations, existing units should 
be considered legal nonconforming and no new permits issued until attrition occurs; 
 Vacation rental users contribute to the economy of the island; 
 There have been issues with the Temporary Use Permit system and it can be used to 
create community dissent by those who oppose vacation rentals; 
 There can be financial circumstances in which home owners need to rent their 
homes on a short-term basis; 
 If an individual is not allowed to rent their cottage out short-term, they will not 
necessarily turn it into a long-term rental but will let it remain vacant; 

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 There are mechanisms in place to ensure septic and water use compliance and 
these uses are already permitted for each property; therefore, a visitor is not using 
above what is permitted for the property; 
 Owners educate renters about water use and conservation; 
 Reasonable vacation rental management and all legally operating rentals should be 
allowed to continue, and the Local Trust Committee should consider exemptions to 
the cap, an extension to the current rental season window, and set the cap at a later 
date to enable transitioning to a licensing system to protect existing rental operators; 
 Any decision to cut short-term vacation rentals can put families at financial risk; 
 Consideration should be given to licensing rather than a cap or having vacation 
rentals managed through Temporary Use Permits; 
 Operators pay the Municipal and Regional District Tax and those funds should be 
posted; 
 Vacation rentals can be done in a respectful and environmentally sensitive way and 
water issues and ferry congestion can be looked at mindfully; 
 The conversation has been about income, and the environment and wildlife are not 
being considered; 
 Short-term rentals provide accommodations for musicians and others performing at 
local festivals; 
 Rental income can supplement retirement income and hardship would occur without 
ability to generate the extra income; 
 The ability to use homes as a short-term vacation rental is permitted as a home 
occupation in the Official Community Plan and transfer of zoning won’t solve water 
issues; 
 People who are unhoused and living in illegal secondary suites should have priority 
consideration for rental units; 
 Property values and taxes have increased due to short-term vacation rentals and 
focus should be on year-round rentals rather than commercial use of homes; 
 The Local Trust Committee needs to focus on housing strategies for non-compliant 
illegal dwellings, address water and septic concerns, minimize housing stock being 
used as short-term vacation rentals, and look to sustainable and affordable housing 
for residents who provide services; 
 There is a tradition of families vacationing on the island for years. Hornby is not a 
private island and part-time residents have value; 
 A pause on the cap should occur to allow a collaborative approach and the Local 
Trust Committee should expand engagement, hold evening meetings to ensure 
broader participation, and separate short-term vacation rental discussions from long-
term housing needs; 
 The Local Trust Committee should consult the Bylaw Officer to determine trends and 
locations of complaints if any; 
 Communities that have a cap on short-term rentals have hotels and other 
accommodation beds; and 
 There is a need to consider the natural and marine environment, determine what the 
community values, and make adjustments based on what the environment needs. 
 
The meeting recessed for a break 1:30 p.m. and reconvened at 1:47 p.m.  
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated March 21, 2025 - for adoption 

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By general consent, the Local Trust committee meeting minutes of 
March 21, 2025 were adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - none 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated May 8, 2025 
Received for information. 
8. DELEGATIONS - none 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 PL-SUB-2024-0304 (Corcan) Lot Frontage Waiver Request - Staff Report 
 The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
 The application seeks an exemption to the minimum requirement of 10% 
frontage for one lot in a proposed subdivision layout plan; 
 The subdivision involves a boundary adjustment and does not represent a 
significant change to the existing frontage conditions; 
 The proposed lot is significantly larger than the minimum lot size required in 
the R2 zone; and 
 The lot layout appears to reflect practical boundaries based on existing parcel 
shapes. 
 
The applicant was in attendance. 
 
Trustees had no questions for the Planner or applicant. 
HO-2025-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee exempt Proposed Lot 1 of 
LOT 1, SECTION 6, HORNBY ISLAND, NANAIMO DISTRICT, PLAN 
30464, EXCEPT PART IN PLAN VIP88575 of subdivision PL-SUB-2024-
0304 (Corcan) from the 1/10 perimeter provision of Section 512 of the 
Local Government Act and subsection 6.6(1) of the Hornby Island Land 
Use Bylaw No. 150, 2014. 
CARRIED 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Major Project: Hornby Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw 
Review: Hornby Bylaw Nos. 176 and 177 - Staff Report 
The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
 The report outlines amendments to proposed Bylaw Nos. 176 and 177 as 
previously endorsed by the Local Trust Committee; 
 Maximum density for affordable housing in the PU(a) zone has been included 
in the draft language; 

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 Following receipt of input from K’omoks First Nation, the consideration of 
secondary dwellings on lots less than 4 hectares and secondary suites on all 
residential properties has been deferred to the next stage of the project; 
 The Local Trust Committee might wish to postpone consideration for the 
vacation rental regulations to the fall to provide opportunity to review and 
assess provincial data and any impacts or implications of the registry system 
and move forward with the PU(a) zone, the removal of the aquifer 
designation, and keeping of chickens for personal use. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments and clarifications were noted: 
 The inclusion of the aquifer designation was not based on groundwater 
aquifer studies and the Local Trust Committee requested the designation be 
removed; 
 There is value in moving to second reading to trigger the formal community 
engagement processes; 
 The PU(a) zoning would not be amended until adoption of the bylaws; 
 Once a public hearing is held, the Local Trust Committee no longer has the 
ability to hear submissions from the public; therefore, deferral until the fall 
would allow additional time to gather further information and input; 
 Following third reading, the proposed bylaws are sent to the Executive 
Committee along with a supplemental staff report advising of financial and 
resource implications and this report would highlight that there could be up to 
130 applications for Temporary Use Permits to be processed in time for the 
next vacation season rental period; therefore, staffing resources would need 
to be allocated to process a high volume of applications. 
HO-2025-019 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 176, cited as 
“Hornby Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 149, 2014, 
Amendment No. 1, 2024” be amended as per the tracked changes shown 
in Attachment 1 of the staff report dated May 16, 2025.  
CARRIED 
HO-2025-020 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 176, cited as 
“Hornby Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 149, 2014, 
Amendment No. 1, 2024” be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
HO-2025-021 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the draft tracked changes version of Hornby Island Local Trust 
Committee Bylaw No. 177, cited as “Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw No. 
150, 2014, Amendment No. 1, 2024 as presented in Attachment 2 of  the 
staff report dated May 16 2025 be amended by removing Item 1.11(b) the 
cap of 67 vacation home rentals. 
CARRIED 
 

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HO-2025-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 177, cited as 
“Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw No. 150, 2014, Amendment No. 1, 2024” 
be amended as per the tracked changes shown in Attachment 2 of the 
staff report dated May 16, 2025.  
CARRIED 
HO-2025-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 177, cited as 
“Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw No. 150, 2014, Amendment No. 1, 2024” 
be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
HO-2025-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to report back 
in fall 2025 on the land use impacts and implications of the provincial 
short term rental registry prior to scheduling a special meeting to hold a 
community information meeting and public hearing for Proposed Bylaw 
Nos. 176 (Official Community Plan) and 177 (Land Use Bylaw) 
CARRIED 
11. CORRESPONDENCE  
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the 
LTC webpage 
12. NEW BUSINESS - none 
13. STAFF REPORTS 
13.1 2024/25 Annual Report - Approval of Hornby Island Local Trust Committee's 
Section - Request for Decision 
HO-2025-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island LTC approves the attached text for inclusion in the 
2024/25 Annual Report for approval by Trust Council and submission to 
the Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs. 
CARRIED 
13.2 Highlights of Trust Conservancy March 18, 2025 Board Meeting 
Received for information. 
13.3 Applications Report dated May 8, 2025 
Received for information. 
13.4 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February, 2025 
Received for information. 
13.5 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
 

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13.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No updates required. 
 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Active Projects Report dated May 8, 2025 
Received for information. 
14.2 Future Projects Report dated May 8, 2025 
Received for information. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Friday, July 4, 2025 at 11:30 am at 
Hornby Island Community Hall, 4305 Central Road, Hornby Island, BC 
HO-2025-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee meeting scheduled for 
Friday July 4, 2025 be changed to electronic format. 
CARRIED 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 2:28 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Tim Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder