Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 22, 2025

[0:00:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): are we ready to get going all right well good morning i'd like to call this to order this

[0:00:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): special meeting of the gabriola local trust committee um i just start with a territorial

[0:00:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): acknowledgement uh we are meeting today all across the unceded and treaty territories of the of many

[0:00:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): coast salish first nations gabriola in particular is in the cinema territory i wanted to read further

[0:00:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): there recently, I know Trustee Elliott and myself were able to go up to Laskiti to do an unveiling

[0:00:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): of a new mural that was part of the Laskiti Archaeology Project. And it's a beautiful mural

[0:00:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): that now greets over the incoming arrivals on the ferry. And I just wanted to read two paragraphs

[0:00:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): from the plaque that's on there, because I think it helps set our minds to what we're doing today.

[0:01:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Set against the rising sun, the new moon above Faults Bay, the mural offers glimpses of the many

[0:01:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): many lives lived on this island over the millennia. People nurtured and were sustained

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): by the abundance of plants and animals such as crabapple, camas, herring, and clams. Raven and

[0:01:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): beaver remind us of the beginning of remembered time when beings had human forms and carried the

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): spirit of animals. The shoreline was dotted with villages composed of red cedar plank homes built

[0:01:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): built on shell-rich platforms.

[0:01:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Gratitude for the land's abundance was constant

[0:01:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): and woven throughout the daily tasks associated

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the fishing, gathering, and hunting.

[0:01:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): The eyes on the side of the panel remind us,

[0:01:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): oops, sorry, my screen just disappeared.

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): The eyes on the side of the panel remind us

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the ancestors of Huete continue to watch over us.

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are connected today to the ancestors

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): through shared experiences and appreciation

[0:01:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): of this bountiful landscape by recognizing

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): and honouring the ancestral peoples and other beings of Huete,

[0:02:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): we deepen our relationship with this place and its story.

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just find those words very important and help us think of the work that we're doing today.

[0:02:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'd like to make some introductions.

[0:02:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm Laura Patrick, I'm elected on Salt Spring and I'm the chair of this local trust committee.

[0:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have Trustee Toby Elliott, Trustee Susan Yates, and together we're your local trust committee.

[0:02:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Committee. We have a number of staff that are with us today. We have Carly Bilney, who will be

[0:02:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): taking our minutes. We have Lisa Millard, helping us with the admin. And we have planners,

[0:02:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Nerissa Chadwick and Stephen Baugh. Thank you for joining us today. This is an official

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): forum for your local trust committee to make, well, today we're going to be focusing particularly

[0:02:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): particularly on the OCP work,

[0:02:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it's also a place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:02:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): and respectful workplace. So we have an agenda before us.

[0:03:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustees, are there any changes that need to be made to the agenda?

[0:03:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I do want to mention there's the, yeah,

[0:03:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): we could add an in-camera session today to talk about,

[0:03:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry, I was trying to look at the notes I had on that.

[0:03:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): regarding a bylaw enforcement on Mudge Island, particularly talking about some particular cases

[0:03:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): there. Is there agreement to add that to the agenda today? All right, excellent. Any other

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): changes that we need to make to the agenda? Can we approve the agenda through general consent?

[0:03:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's fantastic. Okay, so we have just a few items on this agenda today. The first one is

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): item 4.1 it's the wording for the annual report on page two to four and it's a request for decision

[0:04:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there someone that will present that today no it's on us trustees have you looked at the

[0:04:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): wording that's there yep

[0:04:12] Trustee Elliott (probable): pretty good well

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): i guess if we can make it easy then if there's no um

[0:04:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): there are no changes then we just need the motion on page two oops i'm sorry uh trustee yates

[0:04:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[0:04:27] Voice 2: was just going to read the motion.

[0:04:29] Voice 2: Excellent. Please proceed.

[0:04:30] Voice 2: I will. I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[0:04:35] Voice 2: approve the attached text for the text on page four of this agenda for inclusion in the 2024-25

[0:04:43] Voice 2: annual report for approval by Trust Council and submission to the Minister of Housing

[0:04:48] Voice 2: and Municipal Affairs.

[0:04:50] Voice 2: Is there a second? Seconded by

[0:04:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Elliott. Any discussion?

[0:04:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[0:04:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries.

[0:05:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[0:05:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): So moving on to our next item.

[0:05:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Apologize, like I said, working off of one screen today.

[0:05:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's item 4.2 on page 5 of the agenda package,

[0:05:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and this is the major project, the Gabriel Island OCP land use bylaw review.

[0:05:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'm going to turn this over, I believe, to Planner Chadwick.

[0:05:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): Thank you, Chair Patrick.

[0:05:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): Patrick. Yeah, so this is the next step. Actually, the final step in our focus group section, I guess, of our engagement.

[0:05:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): As you recall, we've had a number of focus groups during this term of engagement, and

[0:05:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): they have been held for a variety of topics, including housing, connectivity, economy,

[0:05:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): resource stewardship, fresh water, and the environment.

[0:05:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we've had special meetings and we've reviewed the focus group comments and the draft policies

[0:06:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): that that they were presented with we've reviewed them now for housing connectivity and economy

[0:06:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): and this meeting we're going to be focusing on resource stewardship fresh water and environment

[0:06:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): um and i will i'd note that they were like all three of those were they were separate uh focus

[0:06:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): groups um all well attended um we had very large groups for resource stewardship and environment

[0:06:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): We had a smaller group for the freshwater group, but a very, very passionate and I would also say very highly engaged in the subject, both on a professional level as well as on a community level.

[0:06:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): So it was a very, very good conversation for all of these topics.

[0:07:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): topics. And so what I thought is we could, we could just sort of go through each topic. And what I'm looking for, at this point, what, what the purpose of this meeting is to gather any feedback, questions, feedback, additional considerations that you want to see in the in the policies related to these, these subjects, because the way that the process, this process is moving forward is that we

[0:07:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): we, sorry, I just called commenting.

[0:07:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): We are, Steven and I are working to integrate

[0:07:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): the feedback, the key feedback that we heard

[0:07:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): from the focus groups as well as survey.

[0:07:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): And when I say that it's, what we're finding

[0:07:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): and what I was hoping for in this process

[0:07:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): is that we would understand,

[0:08:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): there are some things that would come out

[0:08:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): that are kind of like what i call kind of like additional nuggets of like information community

[0:08:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): based information that are are may have been overlooked in the first um uh in the first

[0:08:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): draft of these policies and we have these have been very effective in in pulling those out for

[0:08:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): example um one of the key things um related to the um the resource stewardship piece was um um

[0:08:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): the need to put more emphasis on on fire resilience. So that's, that's, you know, one of these really key pieces that we've integrated. So we, what you've, the policies you've had, you have before you are the ones we actually provided to the groups, and then we provided their comments, but we're working to integrate those comments and any and any additional feedback that you provide to us today.

[0:08:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): I would say from now until mid-June there's an opportunity for us to gather

[0:08:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): additional input and provide the next draft which we'll be bringing to you at

[0:09:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): your at your June 26th meeting at which point we will be looking for your

[0:09:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): endorsement on the next draft of all of these policies to put out for further

[0:09:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): their public engagement through the summer so that's our first the first

[0:09:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): part the first part of this discussion is focused on that the second part is

[0:09:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): coming back to you with a bit of an engagement plan we talked about at the

[0:09:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): previous meeting the need for you endorsed or provided direction to staff

[0:09:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): to develop a bit of an engagement plan so we've provided that so we can have

[0:09:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): some discussion about that so let's let's focus um on the first portion um and on resource

[0:09:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): stewardship policies so oh or even like questions you might just have about the general content too

[0:09:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah sorry

[0:10:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): i was on mute trusty aids thank

[0:10:05] Voice 2: you just a couple of things um uh um

[0:10:10] Voice 2: get out a couple times and i know it's my internet connection because it said it's unstable

[0:10:15] Voice 2: stable so if that happens again i'll just turn my video off and not put that in the chat and

[0:10:21] Voice 2: and just secondly um for that first part um reviewing those three main um areas i was quite

[0:10:30] Voice 2: pleased to see a number of comments from people that actually go back that i've been hearing for

[0:10:36] Voice 2: for at least 30 years, things like, for example, small commercial nodes elsewhere, like apart from

[0:10:45] Voice 2: our main village area. And it's really, it's kind of heartening in one way to see that people

[0:10:51] Voice 2: still care about having that, especially now that we have a bus route. And it's sort of a

[0:10:59] Voice 2: a little bit disheartening in that it hasn't happened in in the in the intervening 30 years

[0:11:05] Voice 2: but you know if it's in our ocp um maybe it'll happen so and i see lots of other comments that

[0:11:12] Voice 2: i have heard on and off for the last 30 years that are very positive so i'm grateful for that

[0:11:19] Voice 2: and i i really appreciate the engagement of the focus groups um you can really feel that people

[0:11:26] Voice 2: are pretty knowledgeable and pretty into those topics so thank you for that trusty elliott

[0:11:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): yeah

[0:11:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): there's some really great comments and feedback from this focus group I did want to understand

[0:11:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): how many people represented agriculture there seems to be a lot more on forestry and fire

[0:11:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): fire management, which I definitely support. But it's just the agriculture parts seem

[0:12:01] Trustee Elliott (probable): a little bit scarce. And so I wonder if we need to do a little more research into that.

[0:12:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): And the reason is, there is going to be some big questions about whether the large

[0:12:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): large holdings of agriculture land are being used for their highest and best use and whether

[0:12:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): limiting subdivision actually promotes agricultural practices. What I think we're

[0:12:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): seeing is that typically quite small plots, parcels of land of five acres are used for

[0:12:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): more intensively where it's appropriate, where there's water for food production. And those

[0:12:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): seem to be most effective so the large uh parcels um they're just so large that they're hard to

[0:12:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): manage so typically they're used for hay grass for horses or whatever um but we've got very few

[0:13:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): of those large holdings so i do question a little bit those policies if the goal is to

[0:13:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): support local food production, which 100% I do, and I know this community definitely wants.

[0:13:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): I don't know if the large holdings is the way to do that. So that was my first question as to how

[0:13:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): deep did the group go on agriculture policies. And then I had a question about the forestry

[0:13:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): management plan for Gabriola and how that might show up in an OCP. Is this sort of an ancillary

[0:13:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): document as well as the fire resistance plan in the OCP implementation plan I think those are two

[0:13:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): very good suggestions but what would that look like good

[0:13:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): two very good questions so that to

[0:13:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): address the first one we were weak on the agricultural representation we only had one

[0:13:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): person in the room that was there and so we can certainly think about bringing you know a very

[0:14:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): specific group of folks together at some point through this process to have that a deeper

[0:14:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): conversation on on agriculture i've made note of what you've you've just said and so we'll

[0:14:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): revisit that policy um and we can like shift it and change it um and on the forestry management

[0:14:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): plan and fire resistance so just just last week um or just yesterday i was working through these

[0:14:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): policies and i came up to that one and um and we we need to be really clear like we need to be

[0:14:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): really clear um about how we are um putting forward these uh advisory it's essentially

[0:14:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): going to be an advisory policy because essentially it's it's outside our jurisdiction to develop

[0:14:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): these and so um interestingly when i'm in my own notes as i was going through it i i sort of flagged

[0:14:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): that and said how do we word this to be very specific about um about you know who who could

[0:15:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): take on this task and and how do we you know so it's something that it's it's a great question

[0:15:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): because it's a question that i have as well and it's something that i'll you know try and work

[0:15:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): through uh a little bit more but i think my i mean right now the way that the way that i've kind of

[0:15:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): of new like reworded it is basically like that you know work with with with

[0:15:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): community and other jurisdiction I can't remember but I've worded it in a way

[0:15:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): that says we need basically we need these other people to come together to

[0:15:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): do it because it's outside our jurisdiction and I think like you you

[0:15:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): you you identify the implementation plan and I think that's gonna be an important

[0:15:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): piece to this, and that's where we can at least have something

[0:15:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): to refer to as time goes on.

[0:15:55] Voice 2: Trustee Yates? Yeah, thank you. And yeah, similarly to

[0:16:01] Voice 2: Toby, I was wondering about the agricultural part two

[0:16:05] Voice 2: of the resources stewardship. And so the first

[0:16:09] Voice 2: I thought of two groups that we probably need to contact

[0:16:13] Voice 2: and specifically get their input. The first one is the

[0:16:17] Voice 2: aggie co-op and the second one is gabriola island land steward society gills and toby and i both

[0:16:24] Voice 2: have contacts for both of those groups and specifically sit down with them and get their

[0:16:29] Voice 2: so

[0:16:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh charlie uh trustee i another call came in i got distracted so there was a second there was

[0:16:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): the aggie co-op and then yeah and then gabriel

[0:16:39] Voice 2: island land steward society which we call gills

[0:16:46] Voice 2: and toby and i both have clients for um the chairs that were the you know the leaders of those groups

[0:16:55] Voice 2: but i think it's really worthwhile over the summer for us to sit down with both those groups together

[0:17:01] Voice 2: in the same room um if we possibly can and i agree with toby regarding subdivision of those

[0:17:10] Voice 2: large parcels and part of the reason I agree is I've been trying to I've been

[0:17:15] Voice 2: working on for over a year one of the very large land holders of a big big

[0:17:21] Voice 2: farm and trying to get them to work with young agrarians with gills with aggie

[0:17:31] Voice 2: co-op to get that land working for the island and it's part of the thing about

[0:17:38] Voice 2: subdivision is the real problem of subdivision when it comes to destroying capable land land

[0:17:46] Voice 2: for trees land for agriculture whatever the main problem with subdivision is the infrastructure

[0:17:52] Voice 2: that happens when we subdivide so all the extra driveways and the roads and the hydro right-of-ways

[0:17:59] Voice 2: all that kind of stuff but if there's some way to you know divide land up in some cooperative way

[0:18:08] Voice 2: some strata way some other way where all of that infrastructure is shared and not it doesn't take

[0:18:15] Voice 2: up so much space i completely agree that some of those parcels are almost too large to do anything

[0:18:23] Voice 2: with and what we do see certainly on gabriel and i know on the other islands are small landholders

[0:18:30] Voice 2: doing amazing productive farming work so we yeah i really want to think about that as well

[0:18:37] Voice 2: Yeah,

[0:18:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's a good point. And I'll just mention that we are basing it. So we looked at the existing. So we're working from the existing. So that's where that particular policy has come from. And this is what this whole process is about, right? We're in a changing it. Things change. And so we need this. This is exactly the feedback we need.

[0:19:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was going to offer just some, the large farms are ALR, that's just one thing you have to work with, but I know on Salt Spring what we brought in, because we had some large farms that are not on ALR, and we brought in, if they were to exchange their subdivision potential for dwellings and that they were to cluster those dwellings together, then that large parcel stays together as a large parcel, but they can try to co-op it or do other things with more structures in the community.

[0:19:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): close proximity. The other thing I want to talk about is the wildfire hazard development permit

[0:19:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): area, because that's something we've been working and talking about on Salt Spring now for

[0:19:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): five years. And one of our key things we're focusing on is development permit areas are

[0:19:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): about catching the activities that you're going to catch, which are like subdivision and new things.

[0:19:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): But we really wanted to, or I guess I should say the fire department really wanted us to focus on

[0:20:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the development permit area being highly educational

[0:20:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that people that weren't even being caught

[0:20:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): by the need to have the development permit area

[0:20:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): could still get useful information

[0:20:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): from the development permit area.

[0:20:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Like what kind of materials to build

[0:20:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the outside of their house or something,

[0:20:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): if they're renovating or doing things.

[0:20:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think that's just something to think about

[0:20:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): as we do our development permit areas

[0:20:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we make them useful so that they apply

[0:20:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the people that are already here

[0:20:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): from an educational standpoint, but not legally.

[0:20:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other questions on the uh resource stewardship section trustee yates uh trustee elliot

[0:20:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): um

[0:20:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): no this is great conversation so coming back to the implementation plan and

[0:20:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): i i have been wondering if okay this is a this is a big holistic question so forgive me i'll try to

[0:21:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): to be specific it was in conversation with um a representative from the gabriel transportation

[0:21:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): society who um susan and i um spoke with one of the open houses and uh they really want to do

[0:21:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): a transportation network plan that could be quite detailed and could have um you know actions or an

[0:21:25] Trustee Elliott (probable): an implementation plan associated with it

[0:21:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): that are linked to our policies in our OCP, of course,

[0:21:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): but could that be an ancillary plan?

[0:21:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): And when we look at the transportation infrastructure grants

[0:21:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): or active transportation grants, they require that.

[0:21:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I know Salt Springs got a transportation network plan

[0:21:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): and had applied for money and all of that.

[0:21:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I don't know how that works with our OCP,

[0:21:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): but there's a lot of live questions right now

[0:21:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): of these different community groups

[0:21:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): that have been doing a lot of good work and have identified you know we want an action into the feed

[0:22:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know identify an action to slow these speed limits down and it could take 20 years it's going

[0:22:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): to require advocacy and there needs to be support in our official community plan for that so when

[0:22:13] Trustee Elliott (probable): i think about um you know a wildfire resiliency plan or a forestry management plan you know

[0:22:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): especially if we're talking about forestry management at the 707 which is a park under

[0:22:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): the regional district of Nanaimo which has tons of fuel loads and has been identified as a hazard

[0:22:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's not within our jurisdiction but if we think of our OCP as here's the core plan with our goals

[0:22:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): and what we want to accomplish as a community and here's the associated linked implementation

[0:22:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): Implementation plans that have emerged from these conversations in this development of our community OCP that may not be, you know, part of that official legislative document, but they're an appendix that's important.

[0:23:03] Trustee Elliott (probable): We've captured that information and those priorities from the community in this process, and it's gone somewhere.

[0:23:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I think that would satisfy a lot of everybody's angst of like trying to fit everything into the OCP that every policy, you know, and we're going to wrestle over which are directive and which are advocacy, but advocacy is not enforceable.

[0:23:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): So, but we don't want that to be just, that's a useless idea. Like we need to work with other agencies to support these longer term plans and sustain them. But how does that work? Or how could that work with our official OCP process? Thanks.

[0:23:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): Yeah,

[0:23:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's a great question that I've actually spent quite a bit of time thinking about.

[0:23:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so, you know, we've sort of been talking about how we need to make the advocacy policies

[0:23:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): very focused.

[0:23:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): And something that I've learned in this process with talking about community members and I've

[0:24:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): come to understand that there's a lot, a lot, a lot of great work.

[0:24:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's like some amazing people in your community that are very passionate put a lot of time and

[0:24:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): energy and we're not talking just like holding bake sales like we're talking like data collection

[0:24:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): like great reports um and i think that that needs to be acknowledged and and and i i've also um had

[0:24:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): a conversation with the transportation uh one of the um representatives and my message to to him

[0:24:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): was what the the OCP can do is it can can it can directly acknowledge that the

[0:24:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): existence of it of of a plant of a plan and the the important like it can

[0:24:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): acknowledge the existence and the support of the plan which means that and

[0:25:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): then implementation and so what does that mean in the context of

[0:25:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): of transportation well it's all Ministry of Transportation right but what what it

[0:25:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): means in terms of implementation is those conversations whenever a

[0:25:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): conversations being had with Ministry of Transportation you're bringing up what's

[0:25:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): in your plan just so that you know it's consistent and they're hearing it over

[0:25:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): and over and what I said to him is if you have a plan that the LTC endorses

[0:25:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): feels comfortable with identifying as a reference

[0:25:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): for implementation of OCP vision

[0:25:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): or of the community vision basically, right?

[0:25:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): Then we can make direct acknowledgement of it.

[0:25:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): And also like, I mean, like the next step would be

[0:25:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): that you have your OCP and then you have all

[0:25:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): of those community documents that have been referred to,

[0:25:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): like right there a list so it looks like you like that that vision i'm

[0:26:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): very excited about this idea

[0:26:10] Trustee Elliott (probable): and i know our many many vested community groups are going to be um thrilled because they have done

[0:26:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): a lot of work and it is very frustrating when we have a local government that just keeps saying

[0:26:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): well we can't do that because it's not in our jurisdiction okay we'll then have our advocacy

[0:26:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): policies. Well, those don't have any actual enforceable power. So having a place to put

[0:26:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): those plans as ancillary documents, and they can keep growing. But as long as the link is in our

[0:26:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): OCP to this, you know, evolving active transportation network plan, or the wildfire mitigation plan,

[0:26:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): because our knowledge is going to keep adapting to changing, you know, and there could be a climate

[0:26:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): action plan that's got all of those policies that, you know, we're talking, sorry, I'm

[0:26:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): going away from the topic, but we'll probably have to have a discussion about whether the

[0:27:03] Trustee Elliott (probable): climate action policies and reconciliation policies are in each section or in their own

[0:27:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): section, or is there a plan, an implementation plan for adapting and mitigating climate change

[0:27:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): impact so i really appreciate that um thinking that you've done on that and i hope we can include

[0:27:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): some of those as ancillary documents okay christy

[0:27:26] Voice 2: aids yes um uh the same thing and i have had

[0:27:31] Voice 2: subsequent discussions too with stephen earl and a couple of others on the gabriela transportation

[0:27:36] Voice 2: society group who have worked so hard and what i've done is encourage them to um really tighten

[0:27:44] Voice 2: tighten really tighten that document up so that it has strong advocacy statements for what we want

[0:27:51] Voice 2: to see that can be part of our OCP you know as an ancillary document but not get into the weeds

[0:27:58] Voice 2: so I got a great response back from Steve Earl he said oh you mean the forest and not the trees

[0:28:03] Voice 2: and I said yes because the trees are like our land use bylaw you know they're regulations right

[0:28:09] Voice 2: Right. And one of the problems with our current OCP is it reads a lot like a land use bylaw.

[0:28:15] Voice 2: So if we can include them as ancillary documents that we can refer to that really mean a lot to this community,

[0:28:22] Voice 2: it wouldn't be that much different than the cycle path plan, for example, that we've had attached to the old one and reviewed and updated.

[0:28:31] Voice 2: And that has proved quite useful over the years. So, yeah, thank you for that.

[0:28:35] Voice 2: All

[0:28:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): right. Any other comments on resource stewardship? Trustee Elliott, you're thinking?

[0:28:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): I think, thank you. So I think what does need to be developed, and you mentioned this in your report, is how this section works with, you know, freshwater vulnerability data.

[0:29:05] Trustee Elliott (probable): So, can we talk a little bit about the relationship between, say, the freshwater group, which is not a, it is a standalone group, it's doing sort of different work because we have to identify and map, you know, freshwater footprint, we can get into that.

[0:29:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): But how does, you know, you talk about a holistic approach, the focus group discussed the importance of protecting watersheds. I mean, that's all pretty obvious, but how does that, oh, sorry, am I in freshwater? Did I, oh, I dipped down into freshwater. I'm sorry.

[0:29:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): my question was about yeah so local food production and the protection of groundwater

[0:29:51] Trustee Elliott (probable): can we talk about how those policies um great interact

[0:29:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah yeah so it's it's um

[0:30:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): That's something that we do need to look at, and we will be.

[0:30:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): It's hard to kind of work through the preliminary stages

[0:30:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): and integrating everything,

[0:30:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): and so that's why we've kind of broken it out.

[0:30:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): We did have a bit of some thinking around this

[0:30:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): at the earlier beginning of this whole drafting of the policies,

[0:30:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): and it may be that you know things will shift a little bit as we kind of get to the next

[0:30:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): like the next draft so the idea is that we're still we're I think it's easier for the majority

[0:30:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): of the public to engage on topics specific that they're particularly interested in

[0:30:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): and I think that through this process will also be like you know through this time from now till

[0:31:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): until September. We'll also be thinking about how they integrate. Because if you go through

[0:31:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): all of them, there are overlapping policies as well, right? So there is some work to be

[0:31:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): done to create more of that integration. And some of it will be at the front end as well,

[0:31:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): how we kind of bring that stuff together. So it is in process in terms of thinking what

[0:31:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): what our final document will be but it's it's not something that we can provide at this stage

[0:31:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): of the process just because it does you know i mean in my mind what it takes is putting everything

[0:31:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): in front of you and like you know it could even be it's seeing what we've got seeing where the

[0:31:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): overlaps are seeing seeing how we can you know where the integration pieces work together um

[0:31:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): And the other thing to think about is this is, it's a legal document and it's also a document that is a reference for staff that are working, staff and trustees that are working to do various things in the community.

[0:32:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we need to make sure that it reads in a way that it can be easy to interpret and easy to use.

[0:32:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): so that's that's another perspective so we've got about we'll be looking at balancing all of those

[0:32:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): things all

[0:32:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so i guess are we into fresh water then comments on the fresh water comment

[0:32:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): focus comments no comments a lot

[0:32:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): dig

[0:32:56] Trustee Elliott (probable): in yeah so so the last so looking at the change table uh the policy related to liquid

[0:33:03] Trustee Elliott (probable): waste management we didn't have any of policies on that and sewage capacity and that seems like

[0:33:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): kind of an interesting area and I'm wondering how a policy like that like are we talking limiting

[0:33:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): sewage treatment dispersal fields and areas of higher density yeah I'm curious about that liquid

[0:33:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): waste management discussion you've got any insight on it

[0:33:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): well so there's a lot

[0:33:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): of it well there's a lot of concern interest in in understanding and

[0:33:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): addressing the interrelationship between you know what's going into the ground

[0:33:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): and and and water and so I think with respect to that I mean we we have kind

[0:34:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): of within the policy language presented identified the importance of exploring

[0:34:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): potential adverse effects so it's it comes down to you know the rate like

[0:34:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): rezoning um uh process or subdivision like to ensure that these these are considerations so

[0:34:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): i mean ultimately when we do do a dai bylaw uh these are the things that we would be putting

[0:34:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): in there it's just it's it's it's one of those things to ensure that that uh that things are

[0:34:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): working appropriately that the the sewage is not you know the appropriate steps are being taken to

[0:34:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): to to look at how how that interacts so we're not polluting the groundwater but there just

[0:35:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): weren't statements like that previously trustee

[0:35:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): elliott keep going yeah

[0:35:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): so so looking down at

[0:35:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): the actual the draft policies on page um 25 26 i think in general they look really good um

[0:35:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know, they're strong, protect critical aquifer recharge areas, consider freshwater

[0:35:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): vulnerability, yeah, so I think it's all good. I was a little bit, I was curious that we have

[0:35:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): a policy on page 26 related to not impacting Indigenous interests,

[0:35:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): but I didn't see this appear everywhere so one of my questions is because we decided at sort of

[0:35:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): the beginning when you're having the values discussion that climate change and reconciliation

[0:35:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): are two lenses that we are applying to everything to every area I just wonder if we want to be

[0:36:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): consistent with that and consider policies on climate change and indigenous impact impacts

[0:36:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): on indigenous interests in all of these um yeah yeah go ahead can

[0:36:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): i respond to that yep um yes

[0:36:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): is the answer um and so again like yesterday i was working through things and and so i'll also

[0:36:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): point out that we are we have now established meetings with Sunimook

[0:36:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): staff throughout the summer we've got dates we've got several meetings with

[0:36:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): them where we'll be we'll be working through all of the policies with them

[0:36:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): and also working to develop the cultural heritage protection section of the the

[0:36:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): OCP because that's been left to have the conversation with them and as I'm

[0:37:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): working through I actually I actually observed exactly what what you've just

[0:37:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): articulated. I'm like, oh, we haven't got anything here. What would it look like? And so, yes,

[0:37:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): the intention is that in each one of those sections, we will have policies that reflect

[0:37:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): the interests of SINEMUC. And like I said, we're going to be working through the draft policies,

[0:37:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): sitting down with the staff, going through them and integrating their interests and ensuring that

[0:37:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): But those are captured in the policy language.

[0:37:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): That's great.

[0:37:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): And because they're going through their own community plan, comprehensive community plan review with their own nation members, it's really interesting to talk about policy development at the same time.

[0:37:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): And they're also having that conversation.

[0:37:53] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I had a question about pay on 26 commercial, industrial, recreational uses.

[0:37:58] Trustee Elliott (probable): um we're outright prohibiting groundwater-fed swimming pools um i know there are some swimming

[0:38:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): pools in the island that's i didn't know we had a um prohibition on that um the sale of

[0:38:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): groundwater and collected rainwater may be permitted by rezoning that's in

[0:38:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): your existing

[0:38:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): existing ocp that

[0:38:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): as so you could have a commercial zone to draw groundwater so

[0:38:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): it means you could

[0:38:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): allow for the commercial yeah the commercial use of yeah

[0:38:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's

[0:38:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): in your existing interesting so that's

[0:38:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): i mean yeah it is interesting

[0:38:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): um the last one uses that consume large amounts of groundwater

[0:38:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): water should not be permitted as home occupations I would that be quantified in the land use bylaw

[0:39:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): like what is a large amount of groundwater are we talking you know nurseries and car washing

[0:39:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): home occupations like what's and yeah okay I get that it's a

[0:39:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): policy we should yeah

[0:39:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): no I get and it

[0:39:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): is very vague i think that's a really good one to flag um and yeah we should give some further

[0:39:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): thought to that yeah

[0:39:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): uh i think the rest is good the freshwater management plan i've i've never

[0:39:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): seen one of those is this a something in our current ocp i have read it but it's been a while

[0:39:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): Well, you're going to have a lot of great data

[0:39:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): to contribute

[0:39:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): to something like that.

[0:39:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): You'll have all the data you need.

[0:40:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): Actually, I won't say that because I'm not the expert,

[0:40:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): but you're going to have a lot of data.

[0:40:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there really is an opportunity for developing something.

[0:40:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): Great.

[0:40:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): The rest of it looks great.

[0:40:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): Consider and address climate change impacts.

[0:40:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): I think that is a good section. I don't think we should have a climate change standalone section. I think it should be wherever it's appropriate in each section of the OCP, you know, as it relates to connectivity, transportation, whatever.

[0:40:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): whatever so yeah

[0:40:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): there so there is

[0:40:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): there is a provincial requirement for targets policies

[0:40:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): and actions related to climate change so that's something that we're giving some thought to

[0:40:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): how that is going to whether it'll be I mean we've got the policies the yeah the policies

[0:41:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): in each section it may be that there is a small climate change section that just identifies

[0:41:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): some higher level kind of targets or policies like higher level so anyways

[0:41:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): we're thinking about that but for the mood like coming back to what you were

[0:41:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): you were originally saying that the intention as we've discussed previously

[0:41:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): is to integrate the climate change and the and the reconciliation where

[0:41:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): appropriate throughout the throughout the the document because it is

[0:41:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): interwoven into everything all

[0:41:45] Voice 2: right trustee yeah i was just going to say also the climate

[0:41:52] Voice 2: references to climate change it really does need to be addressed i think in in every section um

[0:42:01] Voice 2: it's different than reconciliation because i'm just assuming that the reconciliation

[0:42:06] Voice 2: reconciliation will be addressed in how we engage with first nation um and in whatever

[0:42:15] Voice 2: statements we make you know in a preamble to the ocp that we absolutely that comes first front and

[0:42:22] Voice 2: center um and i was going to just say something about um having rezoning for you know large

[0:42:29] Voice 2: amounts of groundwater extraction i too was sort of wondering well what are large amounts

[0:42:34] Voice 2: larger amounts to me besides agriculture and you know maybe home occupation that requires a huge

[0:42:40] Voice 2: amount of water anything that where that water is being sold is definitely a large amount and

[0:42:49] Voice 2: it's definitely not a home occupation and it definitely does not belong in um you know a

[0:42:57] Voice 2: residential zone um i mean we have we currently obviously have problems right now with that

[0:43:03] Voice 2: happening and the sort of spot rezoning with grandfather clauses is not good so

[0:43:11] Voice 2: you know if someone wants to extract groundwater sell it transport it that needs to go through a

[0:43:19] Voice 2: full public hearing for a full rezoning in the whole bit so even though we might be alarmed at

[0:43:24] Voice 2: having that in our ocp it's definitely needed if there is a place on the island where someone might

[0:43:32] Voice 2: I be able to do that appropriately?

[0:43:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): Miley, I just wanted to follow up on the question of the liquid

[0:43:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): waste because I did a quick look through the current OCP is sort of the setback to the sea

[0:43:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): because I look at what ongoing future activities would be and what I'm seeing on Salt Spring is

[0:43:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): someone buys a waterfront property, they knock down the existing house or want to build a new

[0:43:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): house or expand the existing house. They need to enlarge the system and then they're usually coming

[0:44:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the local trust committee for a variance um with ocean sea level rise and climate change are

[0:44:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): have we considered at all that like the setback to the sea aspects of septic systems and drain fields

[0:44:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): um that's a good um good point um and yeah we can certainly look at that um but in general uh with

[0:44:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): respect to the setback for them see the sea there's actually like there's a number of different um

[0:44:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): um things to look at like the there's so many things that happen in in the setback to the sea

[0:44:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's the foreshore there's the indigenous interests like you say there's the potential

[0:44:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): sewage uh implications there's um um uh sea level rise salt water intrusion so um that is something

[0:45:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): that um that i think all ltcs like right now we're looking at that with denman uh around housing

[0:45:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): housing we'll be doing the same thing we we we've done that on main around housing and and so I

[0:45:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): think that'll be a significant conversation is are there are there no-go areas that are

[0:45:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): like beyond the existing setback yeah

[0:45:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it's future change too that you know you make a

[0:45:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): decision that you know okay today but sea level rise is going to make it not okay so

[0:45:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): all

[0:45:38] Voice 6: right

[0:45:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other questions on the freshwater section well trustee elliott um

[0:45:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's actually

[0:45:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): back in the resource section i'd forgotten a question um sorry back on page 23 so

[0:45:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): So the density transfer and density bank policies currently in the forestry resource sections, it was really interesting.

[0:46:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): The comment that you pulled from the focus group, I'm not sure if this is a community-oriented idea or if it only benefits rich landowners.

[0:46:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): And then this is why we proposed some other ways of doing it, like flex zoning and other tools.

[0:46:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): So, the density bank, we tried to make it useful. I think last term before I was elected, planners did some work on it, and we promoted the idea, and there was no uptake.

[0:46:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I think at the beginning of this term, Susan and I, we both decided it was a, it's not, it's not a useful mechanism because it's not creating affordable housing densities and people aren't using it.

[0:47:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I think it was sort of decided early on to do away with that.

[0:47:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): But what I'm curious about this, this, this, it only benefits rich landowners.

[0:47:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): And the flip side of that, can we create a tool or a zone or a community amenity zone that is actually a community-oriented idea that isn't about, you know, gaining more densities for commercial or for residential development?

[0:47:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): it's about developing land with multiple uses going back to the land trust idea um which was

[0:47:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know gills was specifically um created to alleviate hold land for the purpose of alleviating

[0:47:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): poverty through um you know affordable housing farming and agriculture education uh and small

[0:47:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): scale commercial right so artisans whatever and and so having that kind of multi-use zone where

[0:48:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): you can allow different types of uses including residential to me would be a far more appropriate

[0:48:18] Trustee Elliott (probable): tool to encourage um land use that's um appropriate for for that lot so do we have those kinds of

[0:48:30] Trustee Elliott (probable): are we considering those kinds of zones so

[0:48:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so one of the one of the things that we haven't had

[0:48:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): um a discussion about that i think we need to have a focused discussion about this is and this

[0:48:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): is sort of getting into the next um part two um the engagement piece and the community conversation

[0:48:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): that we have but one of the things we haven't talked a lot about is is land

[0:48:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): use designations because there's an opportunity here to actually look at

[0:48:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): your map of Gabriel Island look at what where your land what your land use the

[0:49:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): designations are and change them if you want to change them and so that's

[0:49:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): something that um you know I think in you know we can we can design the

[0:49:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): the community in-person engagement session as as sort of a charrette process where we actually put

[0:49:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): the maps out and we look at at what's what's actually allowed in all of these designations

[0:49:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): and um and identify some options some different options ahead of time we can we can we can

[0:49:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): identify um some options for potential land use designations changes that that that's that's the

[0:49:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): opportunity with the ocp review and then that then influences the land use bylaw review right so

[0:49:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): if if you're looking at your map like i mean and i i mean i haven't actually had a

[0:49:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): good drill down on the map yet but there's that there's a lot of conversation around um

[0:50:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): around the um uh you know as as um trustees brought out at the beginning of this meeting

[0:50:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): more commercial areas appointed to that's that's a conversation that's come

[0:50:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): up in a number of focus groups is to like can we you know to allow some more

[0:50:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): like these smaller nodes so that's that's that's an opportunity to look at

[0:50:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): the land use designation and see if it allows it and to allow that those uses

[0:50:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): so what you're talking about Toby could also be looked at we could look at what

[0:50:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): how are those land use designations defined and do we do we need to create

[0:50:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): different land use designations and where is the appropriate in you know the appropriate place for

[0:50:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): that before

[0:50:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): we this just follow up on the same topic though part of the ocp though is to enable

[0:50:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): so like enabling policy there may not there there may be no desire no you know nothing today but

[0:50:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's sort of that vision of some sort of collaborative you know use of the land in a

[0:50:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): different way or community land trusts or you know so that you have an enabling policy that at least

[0:51:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): enables that down the road that that would be how i would hope we could look at it too

[0:51:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh trustee eights thank

[0:51:16] Voice 2: you so um trustee elliot i'm wondering were you kind of thinking of

[0:51:19] Voice 2: like what main island has with the flex zoning like that might be useful to us to have some

[0:51:25] Voice 2: reference to that and then just going back to the the density bank yeah i never thought it was useful

[0:51:33] Voice 2: because it almost seemed like a specious way to try to get densities where we need them but even

[0:51:42] Voice 2: if we could do that through the density bank it's always like oh one here one there you know maybe

[0:51:48] Voice 2: one over there and just not the concerted type of density that we're actually looking for for

[0:51:54] Voice 2: example if you if we want affordable housing so I'll probably never think that the density bank

[0:52:01] Voice 2: is useful i do think that amenity zoning is quite useful i

[0:52:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): think both are needed to answer

[0:52:10] Trustee Elliott (probable): your question trustee yates yes the flex zoning model um but that is this still is based on

[0:52:20] Trustee Elliott (probable): a single you know land owner who then has the flexibility to add one or two or three

[0:52:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): accessory dwelling units if the fresh water can support it I think what we're talking about so

[0:52:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): yes to that I think that would be very good in tandem with home plate zoning so if we're going

[0:52:45] Trustee Elliott (probable): to talk about agricultural lands where there's allowed an increase in residential units that

[0:52:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): are clustered in a part of the parcel of the land that does not impact the agricultural quality or

[0:53:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know and that the fresh water can support it so that kind of home plate zoning idea

[0:53:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): and then the multi-use zones that could be applied and we've got lots of examples of those in our in

[0:53:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): the housing toolkit of like okay if you protect this area you know develop this area and could

[0:53:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): Could we also have some, I've had residents asking me, I'm like, they want to have a little

[0:53:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): store, a farm stand, for instance, or something bigger than a farm stand where people, they've

[0:53:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): got agriculture, but they've also got, you know, want to have several people living together

[0:53:37] Trustee Elliott (probable): in communities.

[0:53:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I think that multi-use zoning should be in the OCP that can be drawn down on properties

[0:53:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): that fit that criteria.

[0:53:48] Voice 2: Christy Yates.

[0:53:50] Voice 2: Yeah, the housing toolkit is just such a bonus for us to be able to refer to and

[0:53:56] Voice 2: reflect on so yeah i forgot to mention that but there are so many good tools in that housing

[0:54:02] Voice 2: toolkit and you know a lot of work went into producing that so let's let's use it where we can

[0:54:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay all right there's oh go ahead trustee before

[0:54:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): we yeah before we move on from freshwater then

[0:54:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): sorry i know it's been a bit of a wide-ranging discussion um so there seem to be pretty strong

[0:54:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): support for requiring cisterns on new builds that's been a conversation since

[0:54:32] Trustee Elliott (probable): I was you know before I got into this office so how will hmm hmm yeah how does

[0:54:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): that work with with and and I kind of know the answer because I know the

[0:54:54] Trustee Elliott (probable): requirements provincially still are limiting the number of users if you're if you have a potable

[0:55:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): sorry if you have a rainwater collection system you can only have one user Gord Baird in the

[0:55:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): Highlands has been pushing hard against that because even having a secondary suite

[0:55:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): you know as a second user you can't just use rainwater harvesting collection I've been in

[0:55:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): all the meetings, William Shulba is always saying the problem is not the amount of rainfall. Like

[0:55:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): you could capture as much rainfall as you want for all the residents of Gabriel Island, and it

[0:55:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): is not going to impact the amount of water that goes on the ground and feeds the environment that

[0:55:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): needs it. It's just, we have a storage problem. So we have a mismatch between the provincial

[0:55:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): regulations that's saying one user only for rainwater harvesting. But if we're going to do

[0:55:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): multi-users um and conserve groundwater what where is that like that's that's where the rubber meets

[0:55:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): the road for me yeah

[0:56:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so you're talking about potable and that's the

[0:56:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): difference um

[0:56:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): here is that and this is what we've done with uh north pender um and we are doing yet so north

[0:56:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): North Pender now has it in their by-law, main will.

[0:56:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): We're not talking about potable water.

[0:56:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): I mean, yeah, that'd be great if everybody wants

[0:56:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): to go through all of the necessity requirements,

[0:56:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): which can be very costly.

[0:56:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): But at this point, we're talking about cisterns

[0:56:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): to catch water that is non-potable,

[0:56:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): that can be used to offset the use of the groundwater.

[0:56:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): So for gardening, for...

[0:56:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh cleaning animals washing clothes you know and also as an emergency supply so it's it's

[0:56:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): non-potable as an emergency fly um as well that so that's that's um that's the way we've been

[0:57:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): looking at it because we can't be requiring potable rainwater systems um for every new

[0:57:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): build because it is um I mean I guess one could but um um but that then goes into the whole

[0:57:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): discussion around reliance on rainwater uh over groundwater and we're not really there we're not

[0:57:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): having that conversation there's so much to there's so many different layers to that conversation but

[0:57:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): at this point what's being suggested is is the cisterns for the capture of of non like non

[0:57:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): non-potable use yeah

[0:57:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll just on this topic here this is where it's difficult when you know a lot

[0:57:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): of what we're talking about is like future development or more density or subdivision

[0:57:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): versus just somebody updating their house or that's already existing and making it you know

[0:57:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): better use going forward and i think we sometimes mix our messaging and i think that's where we can

[0:58:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): improve to be very clear i mean anybody's existing house should be putting in rainwater collection

[0:58:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): systems and doing all these things to reduce their use of groundwater. So anyway, go ahead,

[0:58:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Yates.

[0:58:20] Voice 2: Yeah, and just going back a few years, that request went to the Regional District

[0:58:26] Voice 2: and the Ministry of Environment in 1988. We've been asking for that for a very long time to have,

[0:58:35] Voice 2: all new builds have rainwater catchment.

[0:58:37] Voice 2: It was never specified that it be potable

[0:58:40] Voice 2: for the very reason that we've already talked about.

[0:58:43] Voice 2: You can have all the cisterns in the world,

[0:58:46] Voice 2: but it will probably never be enough

[0:58:47] Voice 2: to actually support certain uses

[0:58:51] Voice 2: because it's all about storage, really.

[0:58:54] Voice 2: So yeah, that request goes back to 1988.

[0:58:57] Voice 2: So we should probably do something about it.

[0:59:03] Voice 2: Okay,

[0:59:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other comments on the freshwater?

[0:59:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Otherwise, we can move on to the environment one.

[0:59:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any comments on the environment section?

[0:59:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Yates.

[0:59:21] Voice 2: Yeah, it's great.

[0:59:23] Voice 2: And I can't believe the enthusiasm of people.

[0:59:26] Voice 2: It's quite wonderful.

[0:59:27] Voice 2: So I think Trustee Elliott knows that my biggest wish is to have good development permit areas updated.

[0:59:35] Voice 2: I think they will serve us better than almost anything in our OCP.

[0:59:42] Voice 2: and then the accompanying development approval information bylaw again that

[0:59:48] Voice 2: that will really serve us well if we do that right so I'm sort of going to be

[0:59:54] Voice 2: looking a lot more at what DPAs were able to come up with and probably

[1:00:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, just to reflect on that comment, the environment group was extremely enthusiastic and they have actually, we had a number of them send us revisions, so there's a whole bunch of wording suggestions and such that'll be integrated into this document.

[1:00:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): document. All very, like a lot, a lot of them are very, very, very good. And very, very detailed, focused, which is, which is great. Speaking to the point about DPAs, we did present that group with all of the, we've got these model DPAs that

[1:00:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): that Regional Planning Manager Kojima has been reviewing

[1:00:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): with our former colleague, Phil Testamil,

[1:00:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's now, who dealt with a lot of applications.

[1:01:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): So they both reviewed them,

[1:01:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): and so we've provided all of those reviewed DPAs

[1:01:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): to the group, and we did get some comments

[1:01:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): that they were quite impressed

[1:01:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): with the work that had been done.

[1:01:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): So we have some very good guidelines

[1:01:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): as a that can be used as a starting point and what I intend to do for you

[1:01:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): part of this process is to is to do I'll do up a little chart there there's some

[1:01:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): that are going to be easier than others to do and you'll need to prioritize we

[1:01:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): won't you won't get all your DPAs that you want by the if you want the OCP to

[1:01:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): move through by the end of your term you're not going to be able to get all

[1:01:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): your DPAs but you may be able to get one or two where we have the where we actually have the

[1:01:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): mapping because that's a big piece of it is updating the mapping and I mean for the groundwater

[1:02:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): like aquifer protection we have we have that it's not a difficult process we've done it for

[1:02:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): Galliano and there's some you know we can identify which ones would also be the sort of easier

[1:02:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): your ones to do

[1:02:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): trustee can you speak a little bit to the uh dpa process um because i know there's

[1:02:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): and this is more for community to moderate our expectations um because we want to protect all

[1:02:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): the things all the time um uh so that's my first question is um the the limits of this project and

[1:02:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): And then what was the potential for future DPA mapping?

[1:02:46] Trustee Elliott (probable): And then the second question I had was about, yeah, specific policy on shoreline modifications.

[1:02:56] Trustee Elliott (probable): But I'll hold that one for a second.

[1:03:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah.

[1:03:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): So in terms of DPA process when you're creating one, there's kind of two elements.

[1:03:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): There's the mapping.

[1:03:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): You've got to figure out where your DPA area is, your development permit area is.

[1:03:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): What are those boundaries going to be?

[1:03:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): and then there's the creation of the guidelines.

[1:03:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so the guidelines, that's the piece where,

[1:03:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): you know, if you're gonna do something in the DPA,

[1:03:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): the guidelines inform the considerations

[1:03:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): that need to be made if you're doing those things.

[1:03:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, you know, the groundwater aquifer,

[1:03:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): critical aquifer recharge,

[1:03:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): I can't remember what it's called,

[1:03:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): something like critical aquifer protection DPA

[1:03:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): that we created for Gabriola, for example, got,

[1:03:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): Like the guidelines include things like not cutting down trees of a certain size, for example, right, because those are water retention and collection mechanisms.

[1:04:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): So the guidelines are sort of the easier part in a way, because there are some basic principles that can be supported.

[1:04:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): The actual mapping of the development permit area is more challenging because that requires looking at data, analyzing the data, and then creating the area, the boundaries.

[1:04:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): So in the case of the Galeano,

[1:04:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah, I'm like, you're Gabriela, they were Galeano,

[1:04:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): the Galeano Aquifer Protection DPA,

[1:04:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): we used the data and then we provided

[1:04:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): a number of different scenarios for boundaries

[1:04:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): that were related to the amount of area on a lot

[1:05:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): that was covered by an area that was identified

[1:05:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): to be critical aquifer recharge.

[1:05:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there was a conversation around

[1:05:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): how much protection do you want, right?

[1:05:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there's a data gathering,

[1:05:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): then there's a data analysis,

[1:05:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): analysis and then there's options based on the data analysis and then there's a decision around

[1:05:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): the boundary so it's a bit of a process and the um yeah the most time-consuming and potentially

[1:05:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): um costly piece of it is the the data collection um and this was actually a conversation that we

[1:05:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): had with the environment group was um like there's all kinds of sources of data and there's groups

[1:05:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): groups on your island that have some, as I understood from that conversation, have been

[1:05:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): gathering data and have some good data.

[1:05:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): So when we get to the creation of a, whatever it might be, sensitive ecosystem, if we want

[1:06:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): to base it on available, like the newer data, it'll take a bit of time.

[1:06:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): If we want to base it on the 2000 and, I think it's 2011 data that we have, it's an easier

[1:06:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): easier thing to do so so I think the conversation around DPAs will be here is what here's what's

[1:06:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): been identified here's what what's been identified as um important for the community here's what

[1:06:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): we've got uh um this is the data that we have related to those and these are the guidelines

[1:06:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): that we've already got and then you can see like do we have good data if we have good data and if

[1:06:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): if we've got solid guidelines then it becomes an easier thing to do if we've

[1:06:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): got poor data and we need to update the data to create the the boundaries then

[1:06:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's going to be a bit of time and that'll have to go on to future projects

[1:06:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): or you know follow up from the OCP or you know whatever it might be yeah so

[1:07:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): like I said um if you want the OCP to be completed by the end of your term you

[1:07:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): You can't get all of the DPAs you want, but you might be able to get one or two.

[1:07:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Before, I wanted to follow up on that.

[1:07:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Where, so I understand development permit areas and what they require,

[1:07:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we also can have subdivision requirements.

[1:07:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): How can they be different from one another, you know,

[1:07:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): like environmental protection under subdivision requirements?

[1:07:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): Well, the area within a subdivision would, if there's already,

[1:07:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): If there's a development permit area within that area, that would apply to the area in general.

[1:07:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): So those would have to be considered if you're going to do anything within that particular area.

[1:07:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): My question was, though, if you didn't have a DPA, could you have additional environmental requirements on a subdivision potential?

[1:08:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Subdivision requirements, I mean.

[1:08:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): could you have subdivision requirements that require some environmental assessment or something

[1:08:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): of a property prior to subdivision yes

[1:08:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): steven have you dealt with uh subdivisions with specific

[1:08:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): requirements i

[1:08:21] Voice 1: don't yeah i don't know if i have i mean what you might what you could have with

[1:08:28] Voice 1: subdivision are are um regulations that that might relate to some of those environmental concerns

[1:08:34] Voice 1: concerns that might be in your land use bylaw so things you know related to layout and roads

[1:08:41] Voice 1: and where they can be constructed and some of those kinds of things maybe could address some

[1:08:45] Voice 1: environmental concerns um but uh I think that's that might be what yeah that's

[1:08:52] Voice 1: what I was trying

[1:08:52] Voice 1: to get at was that would be yeah so that would be probably implemented through your landing

[1:08:56] Voice 1: respond on that no yes policies in the ocp oh

[1:09:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): sorry trustee elliott yeah so i do think we should

[1:09:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): identify the areas that we probably have the most data for and if we have to make some choices

[1:09:23] Trustee Elliott (probable): about you know we can potentially do two or three dpas in this ocp

[1:09:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): or one or two one or two sure but actually we have to foreground that to the community and and

[1:09:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): just be honest because this is we're doing a lot of great work but it's not going to be everything

[1:09:44] Trustee Elliott (probable): and we have to um you know it we're the island stress does struggle to enforce the dpas that

[1:09:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): we have as poor as they are uh and it's a frequent cost to the taxpayers and in litigation because it

[1:10:00] Trustee Elliott (probable): yes it's a tool that the province gave us but it's on us to to enforce and we've got no support in

[1:10:07] Trustee Elliott (probable): that so yes dpas are great um but let's be honest if we can only do two uh personally i think the

[1:10:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): groundwater critical groundwater um aquifer protection for groundwater dpa and a wildfire

[1:10:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): hazard development permit area um i don't know if we've got enough data on the wildfire um i know

[1:10:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): the steep slopes one needs um updating drastically but i'm more i think those are the two that um we

[1:10:39] Trustee Elliott (probable): could really put forward and and we need to have that conversation with the community so

[1:10:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): those are just my ideas but um open to hearing what you think susan yeah

[1:10:53] Voice 2: i i agree those are

[1:10:54] Voice 2: those be the two that i'd want to see um you know definitely part of this ocp update and you know

[1:11:01] Voice 2: the steep slope ones we don't we have it already it just needs updating and we like the updating

[1:11:08] Voice 2: of it is i don't know i just don't think it would be that i don't even think the updating of the

[1:11:15] Voice 2: steep slope ones requires new mapping or better mapping it just requires better wording um so i

[1:11:22] Voice 2: I would hope that one could at least be updated as well.

[1:11:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): So I had another question on a policy, the way it's written, unless you wanted to respond

[1:11:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): to that, sorry.

[1:11:38] Trustee Elliott (probable): So into marine ecosystems and shoreline ecosystems, and this kind of is a good segue because I

[1:11:48] Trustee Elliott (probable): think if we can't do shoreline DPAs in this OCP review, we should have really strong

[1:11:58] Trustee Elliott (probable): shoreline protection bylaws and policies I'm curious about the so page 37 the

[1:12:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): second one here it says use development permit areas and covenants great only

[1:12:16] Trustee Elliott (probable): permit shoreline modifications such as shoreline armoring when necessary to

[1:12:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): to protect existing structures I think there needs to be some grammar where there is where

[1:12:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): there would be minimal impact on natural shoreline processes and when other alternatives such as

[1:12:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): softer nature-based approaches are impractical I mean I have a caution about this because

[1:12:41] Trustee Elliott (probable): I really I do not see the value of encouraging more landowners to protect

[1:12:52] Trustee Elliott (probable): protect legacy buildings existing structures that were built in 1964 and you know before the land

[1:13:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): use bylaw came into effect and they want to protect the right to rebuild on that same footprint we are

[1:13:09] Trustee Elliott (probable): seeing this in south pender you know anywhere anybody has an older structure on the foreshore

[1:13:17] Trustee Elliott (probable): or in the foreshore it's just to me it's ridiculous that we have that right to rebuild

[1:13:24] Trustee Elliott (probable): enshrined and i realize that's in the local government act um and so maybe it's not possible

[1:13:31] Trustee Elliott (probable): to um you know that we have to allow the possibility for shoreline armoring i personally

[1:13:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): don't want to see it in our ocp i i don't think it should ever be allowed i think if you're

[1:13:47] Trustee Elliott (probable): structure is in danger from storms and and that it should be moved back but that's just me i don't

[1:13:56] Trustee Elliott (probable): own waterfront property um and so i may get in trouble for saying that but do we have to allow

[1:14:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): the possibility for shoreline modification um

[1:14:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): it's up to you and i'm

[1:14:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): gonna i'm gonna wait see what

[1:14:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): trustee has to say um

[1:14:17] Voice 2: yeah i completely agree with trustee elliot and that was one i just noticed i

[1:14:21] Voice 2: I put a giant X through it on my paper copy here.

[1:14:26] Voice 2: We absolutely should not be doing,

[1:14:29] Voice 2: we should not be allowing any hard shoring armory.

[1:14:32] Voice 2: There's lots of green shoring options

[1:14:35] Voice 2: that people need to learn about.

[1:14:37] Voice 2: And there are so many damaging aspects to hard shoring.

[1:14:41] Voice 2: You know, there's going, you know,

[1:14:43] Voice 2: they always end up going right onto the beach

[1:14:45] Voice 2: with the heavy equipment.

[1:14:48] Voice 2: It's just awful.

[1:14:50] Voice 2: And what it ends up doing, it ends up shoving the problem over to the neighbors or to the next little beach where all of the forage fish pebbles get washed away in the sand and everything.

[1:15:00] Voice 2: It's just not good.

[1:15:02] Voice 2: I don't want to see it as an option.

[1:15:04] Voice 2: Get rid of it.

[1:15:06] Voice 2: And as far as really important development permit areas, yeah, I actually think a shoreline DPA is more important than almost any other DPA, including freshwater.

[1:15:18] Voice 2: water but what i was hoping and i know i talked to sonja zupanets about this quite a few years ago

[1:15:24] Voice 2: i was hoping that the regional planning committee would come up because we all have shorelines

[1:15:30] Voice 2: i was hoping that the regional planning committee would come up with a great

[1:15:34] Voice 2: model shoreline you know bylaw that we could all implement but maybe we

[1:15:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): have one yeah

[1:15:41] Voice 2: sonja wrote

[1:15:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): wrote it yeah

[1:15:43] Voice 2: so

[1:15:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): like yeah exactly we got it so uh that that might be that might be one that might

[1:15:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): be an easier one to do because okay

[1:15:51] Voice 2: and i i love that because honestly when i think about first

[1:15:56] Voice 2: nations especially first nations and about eelgrass and forage fish even like i really

[1:16:04] Voice 2: mean that even more important than freshwater would be to get for me to get a shoreline dpa in

[1:16:10] Voice 2: there thanks okay i'm

[1:16:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): um i'm thinking you guys might want to pass another resolution to direct

[1:16:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): staff to provide um an assessment of of dpa development potential related to the project

[1:16:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): because that's something we can do is

[1:16:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): it also can we also find out what ma what how do you

[1:16:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the subdivision uh requirements maximize the environmental protection within subdivision

[1:16:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): requirements without a development permit area as well because i know that would be land use bylaw

[1:16:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): but yeah

[1:16:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): i think we're i think we are i think that's in our housing um um policy part because

[1:16:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's where we got subdivision because we do have a lot of that language in that that part but i'm

[1:17:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): going to make a note of it so that when i revisit the policies i can ensure that that it's as strong

[1:17:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): as it can be all

[1:17:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): right uh trustee elliott so i am going to move that the gabriel island local

[1:17:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): trust committee request staff to provide an assessment of development permit area

[1:17:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): potential development permit areas potential related to the no that

[1:17:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): works that works

[1:17:36] Trustee Elliott (probable): potential is related to the ocp project is

[1:17:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): that uh before we second is that does that that works

[1:17:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): for you planner chadwick okay and you caught that carly yes i did thank you super uh is there a

[1:17:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): second to that motion trustee yates any

[1:17:56] Voice 2: discussion i was gonna say the same almost the same that

[1:18:01] Voice 2: development permit areas that could be completed for the gabriola island ocp update but if toby's

[1:18:08] Voice 2: wording does the same thing that's wonderful i second all right so if there's no further

[1:18:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Further discussion, I'll call the vote then. All those in favor? And that carries. Is there any other discussion on these? Otherwise, we have to consider the motions on page five.

[1:18:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): Trustee Elliott?

[1:18:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): Yeah, we sort of discussed this briefly. Susan, you mentioned there's a little inconsistency in sensitive ecosystems, unique ecosystems. I like the term ecosystem biodiversity. I like the overall goals. And there was something else, ecosystem areas.

[1:19:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): areas so just wanting to make sure that there's consistency in the wording yeah

[1:19:12] Voice 2: it was something

[1:19:12] Voice 2: about sensitive ecosystems and sensitive areas and that's quite different because sensitive areas

[1:19:19] Voice 2: could be my driveway that I don't want people to drive on but a sensitive ecosystem is a sensitive

[1:19:25] Voice 2: ecosystem right

[1:19:27] Voice 6: and

[1:19:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): I think we need definitions is that would that that would form part of those

[1:19:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): OCP is we'd have like what is a near shore environment that would be defined for instance

[1:19:40] Trustee Elliott (probable): um

[1:19:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): so so like general best practice is not to uh include definitions and unless um unless there's

[1:19:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): a need to so um the need to is whether the words are being used differently than they otherwise

[1:19:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): otherwise would be used. I

[1:20:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): mean, we can have a look on and, you know, maybe there's an opportunity to provide a companion definition guide or something like that. But let's look at, we'll look into that a bit. Because I see what you mean, but I

[1:20:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): definitely appreciate the comment around, around consistency. And so we'll definitely take that and have a look.

[1:20:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah

[1:20:28] Trustee Elliott (probable): okay sensitive areas and sensitive ecosystems i think we should just make sure that's clear and

[1:20:34] Trustee Elliott (probable): then yeah no further questions on the policies i think it's great work i mean huge amount of

[1:20:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): information so thank you okay

[1:20:49] Voice 2: any other trustee aids so there's two recommendations here so are

[1:20:54] Voice 2: So are we pretty well ready to do that first recommendation?

[1:20:59] Voice 2: Because the second one, I seem to be missing some information on the second one,

[1:21:03] Voice 2: but I also have a suggestion for the second one.

[1:21:05] Voice 2: And we haven't talked about the engagement

[1:21:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning part yet.

[1:21:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we could do the first one.

[1:21:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): So go ahead, Trustee Yates.

[1:21:15] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:21:16] Voice 2: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff prepare draft policy language

[1:21:22] Voice 2: language related to resource stewardship, fresh water, and the environment, as discussed at the

[1:21:28] Voice 2: May 22, 2025 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting for Broader Public Review. All

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): right, is that

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): second? Seconded by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion? Trustee Yates? Nope. Okay, I'll call the vote then.

[1:21:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor? That carries. You're just so fast, Trustee Yates. I know, I couldn't get my

[1:21:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): hand to go down that was the problem that's all right so i guess moving on to the engagement piece

[1:22:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): back over to narissa yeah

[1:22:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): so this is um just a little bit sketching out a a bit of an engagement

[1:22:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): plan um for the summer here um and we did talk about at the april um 17th meeting some options

[1:22:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): were put forward to you um related to engagement and then there was some conversation and so we've

[1:22:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): sort of integrated a bit of that into these put these proposed next steps so

[1:22:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): so in terms of next steps steps we're looking at engaging the so engaging the

[1:22:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): LTC in the review of the next draft of the policy language so we've now looked

[1:22:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): through all the policy language that's been proposed to the focus groups and

[1:22:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): had conversation and and we've gathered your comments so that's all going to be

[1:22:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): updated then we'll need your endorsement of that language before we move it out

[1:23:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): for community review and then there will be a community review period that we're

[1:23:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): looking at that'll be through the summer from now I mean I guess that'll be from

[1:23:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): July through to probably about mid-September,

[1:23:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): we have the opportunity to engage our communications person,

[1:23:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): Morgana, who can help us to provide information

[1:23:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): to the community about engagement activities.

[1:23:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): And these activities are basically,

[1:23:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): as you can see in the Table 4 graph,

[1:23:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): we're looking at, oh yeah,

[1:23:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): one of the things we're going to be doing is is wrapping up all this the survey data and we'll

[1:23:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): also be including some of the key points from the focus groups that were brought out in a another

[1:23:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): what we heard report so you if you recall we had a what we heard report for the vision uh piece so

[1:24:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): it'll be a nice kind of continuity there uh follow up from that we've we've now got over 500

[1:24:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): respondents uh i think the final count was well close to i think i think it was actually close to

[1:24:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): 600 so um trustee elliott that that uh suggestion to punch it out just before the the end um clearly

[1:24:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): works oh

[1:24:26] Trustee Elliott (probable): i have been on it i have been messaging everybody yeah i have to just can we pause and

[1:24:33] Trustee Elliott (probable): just talk about how many people did not know about the surveys um like honestly i'm i'm

[1:24:42] Trustee Elliott (probable): I'm flabbergasted because we had ads, we had like circulars, we did a mail out for the RDN one.

[1:24:50] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I still like RDN director Vanessa Craig posted about this freshwater footprint survey a couple of like five days before it closed.

[1:24:58] Trustee Elliott (probable): And I shared the day that it closed saying, please fill out the survey.

[1:25:02] Trustee Elliott (probable): Every single person I talked to hadn't seen it.

[1:25:05] Trustee Elliott (probable): People who are read the newspaper who are.

[1:25:08] Trustee Elliott (probable): and so I don't understand how our engagement like our communication efforts are not reaching people

[1:25:15] Trustee Elliott (probable): but it I feel like only by personally nudging people and saying this is the day fill out the

[1:25:22] Trustee Elliott (probable): that's that is what has worked so I'm struggling with that aspect of our engagement sorry

[1:25:27] Trustee Elliott (probable): yeah

[1:25:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): I hear you I mean because we did have that mail out with the RDN where

[1:25:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): where every single household received the link on a one-page thing.

[1:25:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, yeah.

[1:25:43] Voice 2: Trustee Yates?

[1:25:44] Voice 2: Yeah, so I have two comments.

[1:25:48] Voice 2: Several people have said to me, I just can't keep track of all the surveys.

[1:25:51] Voice 2: Okay, fine.

[1:25:52] Voice 2: There have been a lot of surveys.

[1:25:54] Voice 2: But the other thing that really works, and Toby and I both know this,

[1:25:58] Voice 2: is press ganging.

[1:25:59] Voice 2: So, you know, when there's an urgent survey that we need filled out,

[1:26:03] Voice 2: the first thing i do is i put where i live in a condo there are 30 residents i put a big notice

[1:26:10] Voice 2: on the whiteboard and i put my name on it and the date and i put the i hate to say it paper surveys

[1:26:16] Voice 2: with the online link and i tell you here we got great turnout just because you know the pressure

[1:26:24] Voice 2: is on it's a personal thing and the same with i'm going to a meeting and toby does this too

[1:26:29] Voice 2: really well way better than i do like write out the meeting here's the link do it now so it is

[1:26:35] Voice 2: partly survey burnout which i don't agree with if you care but and it's partly it's that personal

[1:26:43] Voice 2: thing you just got to do it in person yeah

[1:26:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): well this is all good information for us as we will

[1:26:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): have many many more survey activities in the future of our work we'll see like for um gabriela

[1:27:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): where it leads us but so

[1:27:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): are there any other comments on it's basically on page 12 the next

[1:27:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): step so

[1:27:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): i see uh trustee yates is her hand and i

[1:27:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): have a comment yeah

[1:27:14] Voice 2: just i don't want to lose this

[1:27:16] Voice 2: so as we're um engaging people over the summer and maybe the summer is a really good time although

[1:27:22] Voice 2: people are busy i really want to make sure that because we had you know not much input from on

[1:27:28] Voice 2: the agricultural aspect of things i really want to make sure we get gills and the aggie co-op people

[1:27:35] Voice 2: together at us at the same meeting to give us some input like i don't feel like i have to be there

[1:27:42] Voice 2: but um i would sure i would i think i really don't want to lose that that's

[1:27:48] Voice 2: so i'm sure we can arrange that between those two groups all right trustee

[1:27:55] Trustee Elliott (probable): elliott yeah um i think

[1:27:59] Trustee Elliott (probable): in-person meetings might be tough especially farmers and people who are busy in the summer

[1:28:04] Trustee Elliott (probable): but just noticing your comment here of groups wanting to provide feedback organizing themselves

[1:28:11] Trustee Elliott (probable): maybe we could leverage the the contacts through the group the community groups that organized for

[1:28:21] Trustee Elliott (probable): the visioning process um you know as is the would the plan be to send out the draft language or

[1:28:29] Trustee Elliott (probable): sorry it'll be posted on the website and i wanted to ask a question about a direct link to a comment

[1:28:35] Trustee Elliott (probable): page would be provided um so if that link is if if there's a website with all those policies

[1:28:43] Trustee Elliott (probable): and then there's direct communication with community groups who organized around the vision

[1:28:49] Trustee Elliott (probable): visioning process, and they can get together themselves as appropriate, how will that

[1:28:57] Trustee Elliott (probable): feedback be collected? Rather than asking people to show up at an engagement activity or an event,

[1:29:06] Trustee Elliott (probable): I do think the self-organizing thing works. People know their networks and who they need

[1:29:14] Trustee Elliott (probable): to connect with and i think the policies themselves will spur a lot of conversation

[1:29:19] Trustee Elliott (probable): um so how do you anticipate that those that feedback will be received thanks

[1:29:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah so i it would be through the on online engagement um portal whatever we want to call

[1:29:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): it um and so that's what we could talk to morgana about setting something up for individuals and

[1:29:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): something for groups so that the um the response form can indicate you know that

[1:29:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): you know this is a group that's provided the feedback

[1:29:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so we can certainly set it up like that um just also so just a question around

[1:30:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): actually also flagged on my notes this question around engaging the agricultural folks so

[1:30:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): do you you could make a particular like you could say in your resolution

[1:30:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): endorse the engagement plan as amended to include focus on agriculture or something like that so

[1:30:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): that um it's captured or you could leave it as is and and and work you know work yourselves to try

[1:30:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): and get those um uh those groups providing the feedback but if you if you'd like to direct staff

[1:30:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): then we'll have to capture that in the um on the resolution

[1:30:45] Voice 2: trustee yates i think we should

[1:30:50] Voice 2: put it in the resolution just so we have it in writing and the staff need do no more than simply

[1:30:57] Voice 2: contact the chair of both of those groups and say we really need your input um however way you would

[1:31:05] Voice 2: like to do it do

[1:31:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): it support from the closed meeting uh we uh we closed uh open bylaw enforcement

[1:31:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): files on mudge island and put them or we put them in sorry didn't close them we put open files

[1:31:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): files on Mudge Island into abeyance until the bylaw enforcement project at Trust Council is

[1:31:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): complete. And I just want to make that this does not preclude any new complaints from being

[1:31:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): submitted and that files could still be opened with new complaints. And with that, is there a

[1:31:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion to adjourn the open meeting or the regular special meeting? That's by Trustee Elliott,

[1:31:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): it seconded by trustee yates for closing and um so we are adjourning the uh meeting so thank you

[1:32:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): very much in the next meeting oops next meeting is sorry i don't have that in front of me june 23rd

[1:32:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): i believe june 23rd is our next regular meeting excellent thank you well thank you to staff thank

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Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 22, 2025 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Tobi Elliott, Trustee 
 Susan Yates, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Stephen Baugh, Island Planner 
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator 
 Carly Bilney, Recorder 
Others Present: The meeting was open to the public via livestream.  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 9:30 a.m.  
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Patrick acknowledged that the meeting was being held on the territory of the Coast 
Salish First Nations. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
 Add in-camera session regarding bylaw enforcement on Mudge Island 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
4. BUSINESS ITEMS 
4.1 2024/25 Annual Report – Approval of Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee 
Section - Request for Decision 
GB-2025-032  
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approves the attached text 
on page 4 of this agenda for inclusion in the 2024/25 Annual Report for 
approval by Trust Council and submission to the Minister of Housing and 
Municipal Affairs. 
CARRIED 
 

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4.2 Major Project: Gabriola Island Comprehensive Official Community Plan and 
Land Use Bylaw Review - Resource Stewardship, Freshwater and 
Environmental Discussion and Options for Community Engagement – Staff 
Report 
 
The Planner reviewed the report and made the following comments: 
 Staff is working to integrate key feedback from focus groups and the 
survey 
 This meeting is intended to seek additional feedback from Trustees 
 From now until mid-June there is opportunity for staff to integrate 
additional input before seeking endorsement of policies 
 Further community engagement will occur over the summer 
Discussion ensued about policies related to resource stewardship and the 
following comments were made: 
 A desire to develop small commercial nodes apart from the main village 
has been expressed for years, and including it in the Official Community 
Plan may make it happen 
 Appreciation was expressed for the high level of engagement and 
knowledge from participants in the focus groups 
 The section on agriculture is scarce and more research is needed in this 
area 
 Staff could assemble a group to specifically address agriculture-related 
policy; the Gabriola Agricultural (Agi) Co-op and Gabriola Island Land 
Stewards Society (GILSS) should be specifically invited to share ideas  
 The Official Community Plan could link to ancillary plans (e.g. 
Transportation Network Plan, Wildfire Resiliency Plan and Forestry 
Management Plan) 
 Advocacy policies need specific wording about who might take on tasks 
that are outside the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust 
 There are a number of valuable reports developed by the community that 
need to be acknowledged; the Official Community Plan can acknowledge 
the existence of and support for these plans 
 The fire department suggested the Wildfire Hazard Development Permit 
Area (DPA) be highly educational so that those who are not within the 
DPA can still utilize the information 
 Consideration of how policies integrate or overlap (e.g. local food 
production and freshwater protection) is work that will be done later in the 
process 
 
Discussion ensued about freshwater policies and the following comments were 
made: 
 Concerned interest has been expressed about addressing the 
interrelationship between liquid waste management and groundwater; the 
policy includes language that identifies the importance of exploring 
potential adverse affects 

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 Staff from Islands Trust and Snuneymuxw First Nation will work together 
to develop the Official Community Plan policies including a Cultural 
Heritage section 
 Policy language is vague about what constitutes a “large amount” of 
groundwater and should be given further consideration 
 Support was expressed for addressing climate change in each section of 
the Official Community Plan as it relates to each topic 
 With climate change and sea level rise, the setback to the sea aspect of 
septic systems and drain fields should be considered 
 Trustees decided the density bank tool is not a useful mechanism 
because it does not create affordable housing densities 
 There is need for focused discussion and community engagement about 
land-use designations including multi-use zoning  
 The Official Community Plan provides opportunity to create enabling 
policy and could include a vision of collaborative land-use 
 Multi-use zoning should be in the Official Community Plan 
 
Discussion about environment-related policies ensued. Desire was expressed to 
have updated Development Permit Areas and accompanying Development 
Approval Information Areas. The process for creating a Development Permit 
Area was outlined including data gathering and analysis, considering options 
based on the analysis, and determining boundaries. The following comments 
were made: 
 If the Official Community Plan is to be completed by the end of this term, 
there will be capacity to finalize only one or two Development Permit 
Areas  
 In the absence of a Development Permit Area, there could be regulations 
that relate to environmental concerns in the Land Use Bylaw 
 Consideration needs to be given to how to prioritize Development Permit 
Areas (e.g. which topics have the most existing data) 
 Support was expressed for prioritizing the creation of Development 
Permit Areas for the shoreline, critical groundwater aquifers and wildfire 
hazard areas 
 The Official Community Plan should have strong shoreline protection 
language and not allow hard shore armouring 
 Subdivision requirements in the Official Community Plan should 
maximize environmental protection  
  
GB-2025-033 It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to provide 
an assessment of Development Permit Area potential related to the 
Official Community Plan project. 
CARRIED 
Discussion continued and the following comments were made: 
 There is need for consistency in the policy language between sensitive 
ecosystems and sensitive areas  

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 Consideration should be given to including definitions (for nearshore 
environment, for example) 
 
GB-2025-034  
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request staff prepare 
draft policy language related to resources stewardship, freshwater 
and the environment, as discussed at the May 22, 2025 Local Trust 
Committee Special Meeting, for broader public review. 
CARRIED 
 
The Planner reviewed the proposed next steps for engagement. Discussion 
followed and the following comments were made: 
 
 Many residents had not seen the survey suggesting communication 
efforts are not working 
 It may be difficult to garner participation from community members over 
the summer 
 Contacts should be leveraged through the community groups that 
contributed to the visioning process 
 Strong support was expressed to seek input from the Agi Co-op and the 
Gabriola Island Land Stewards Society at a joint meeting 
 The website needs to be the clearest avenue for seeking input from 
community members 
 
GB-2025-035  
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee endorse the Official 
Community Plan project summer 2025 engagement plan as 
presented in the staff report dated May 22, 2025. 
CARRIED 
 
 
GB-2025-036  
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request staff explore 
options for stronger web presence related to the Official Community 
Plan project and direct resources as appropriate. 
CARRIED 
 
5. CLOSED MEETING 
 
5.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
 
GB-2025-037  
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1)(f) for the purpose of considering: 

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 (f) law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could 
reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under 
or enforcement of an enactment; and that the Recorder and Staff 
attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
The regular meeting was closed to the public at 11:10 a.m. 
 
5.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was recalled to order at 12:01 p.m. 
 
5.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Patrick rose and reported that open Mudge Island bylaw enforcement 
files were put into abeyance until the Bylaw Enforcement Review project is 
completed at Trust Council. She noted this does not preclude any new 
complaints from being submitted and files can still be opened.  
 
6. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:03 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
_________________________ 
Carly Bilney, Recorder