Islands Trust Council community information meeting, May 26, 2025

[0:00:09] Voice 1: Okay, good afternoon everyone. This is the regularly scheduled meeting of the

[0:00:14] Voice 1: Maine Island Local Trust Committee of May 26, 2025. And we're pleased to be here as

[0:00:22] Voice 1: always on beautiful Maine Island in springtime. Can't be any better time than that.

[0:00:28] Voice 1: So we want to begin by acknowledging, of course, that we are making our decisions

[0:00:32] Voice 1: and we're considering everything in the light of reconciliation and relationship

[0:00:37] Voice 1: building with the Coast Salish peoples, particularly the Wasainich peoples, which are St.

[0:00:44] Voice 1: Charlton speaking, and their stewardship and care of these lands and waters has been integral

[0:00:56] Voice 1: to making the islands what they are today.

[0:00:58] Voice 1: And we want to be careful to be mindful of our decisions and carry in our hearts the

[0:01:05] Voice 1: goal of relationship building and reconciliation.

[0:01:08] Voice 1: and I'll let me do and so I'll call this meeting to order and we I'll just read

[0:01:16] Voice 1: out a rise and report from our in-camera meeting of April 28th 2025 that the

[0:01:24] Voice 1: January 27th 2025 in-camera meeting dates and the appointment Burt Hall and

[0:01:31] Voice 1: Dennis perch to the main island board of variants or they were appointed rather

[0:01:36] Voice 1: to the main island board of variants for a term ending april 28th 2028. and uh sorry i'm your uh

[0:01:44] Voice 1: chair don't be only elected on gabriella island forgive me i'm your two local trustees jared

[0:01:49] Voice 1: budge i need dots uh do you want to say anything no

[0:01:52] Voice 5: just

[0:01:54] Voice 1: get ready and we're joined by

[0:01:56] Voice 2: welcome to

[0:01:58] Voice 2: the sort of newly renovated agricultural hall grounds which they've got these beautiful colors

[0:02:03] Voice 2: out there. Great borough. Quite a change in getting ready

[0:02:07] Voice 2: for the farmer's market. When does that start? Well, that started

[0:02:10] Voice 2: on the May 1st. So lots of events for

[0:02:15] Voice 2: that. Lots of vendors. It was a busy week.

[0:02:19] Voice 2: Wonderful.

[0:02:20] Voice 1: And Hunter-Narissa Chadwick is here.

[0:02:23] Voice 1: And thank you, as always, for your kind and diligent attention

[0:02:27] Voice 1: to the business of the Maine Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:31] Voice 1: Committee. So is there anything to add or adopt or amend with the agenda?

[0:02:36] Voice 1: No.

[0:02:37] Voice 5: I'll take

[0:02:38] Voice 1: it by general consent that the agenda be approved. And so we come to town hall

[0:02:44] Voice 1: and questions. And so we just want to remind everyone that this is a workplace and we ask

[0:02:52] Voice 1: that you keep your comments respectful, address first of all local trust committee issues and

[0:02:59] Voice 1: then trust-wide federation issues and uh please if you can speak to things that are within our

[0:03:05] Voice 1: jurisdiction that we have influence over um but as always we're open to hearing pretty much anything

[0:03:12] Voice 1: from community members just uh speak to the issues not personalities and we'll all be good

[0:03:17] Voice 1: is there anybody who wishes to address the local trust committee

[0:03:23] Voice 4: you know i think i'll just um let the process unfold as it will um you know i was prepared

[0:03:31] Voice 4: to say something um had the other party been here to speak to the issue but uh since i think you've

[0:03:42] Voice 4: you've heard the concerns of the neighborhood and yeah um

[0:03:49] Voice 2: and it will be on in our in camera

[0:03:50] Voice 2: Right, I do understand that.

[0:03:53] Trustee Maude: We did

[0:03:54] Trustee Maude: get Marilyn's letter, so we do understand.

[0:03:57] Voice 4: Yeah, and it's not just the two of us.

[0:04:01] Voice 4: I did a count and there's 18 properties in the neighborhood that are affected.

[0:04:09] Voice 4: And I believe that the majority of the people have expressed their concern.

[0:04:15] Voice 4: if they haven't at this stage, if it goes to, you know, something like a TUP, then they would.

[0:04:26] Voice 1: So really no comments at

[0:04:28] Voice 1: this time is what I'm hearing?

[0:04:29] Voice 1: Yeah. Okay. Thank you. No problem. Is

[0:04:32] Voice 1: there anyone online who wishes to address the local trust committee? You can raise your hand

[0:04:39] Voice 1: if you're watching avidly and uh and for our records there's one member of the public present

[0:04:47] Voice 1: okay so we'll close town hall and questions period and move into approval uh or adoption

[0:04:54] Voice 1: of minutes any changes to the minutes of uh april 28 2025 once

[0:05:01] Trustee Maude: again very detailed very accurate

[0:05:04] Trustee Maude: Very much appreciated.

[0:05:05] Voice 1: That was a really long conversation with a lot of detail.

[0:05:10] Voice 1: So that was a good one.

[0:05:12] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:05:13] Voice 1: So I'll take it to the minutes.

[0:05:16] Voice 1: Sorry, was it April 28th?

[0:05:18] Voice 1: Sorry, 2025 be adopted.

[0:05:22] Voice 1: So we'll move into our follow-up action list, page 15 to 17.

[0:05:26] Voice 1: Trustees, do you have any questions or any updates from you,

[0:05:30] Voice 1: Connor Chadwick?

[0:05:32] Voice 1: No.

[0:05:34] Voice 1: a

[0:05:35] Trustee Maude: lot of zeros but um yeah

[0:05:38] Voice 2: it's in progress

[0:05:39] Trustee Maude: i

[0:05:40] Voice 2: noticed that we now have percentages yeah so

[0:05:44] Voice 2: what's that i

[0:05:45] Voice 3: didn't update the percentage yeah

[0:05:48] Trustee Maude: because yeah we got it completed and we have a

[0:05:50] Trustee Maude: zero but you know

[0:05:51] Voice 3: i'm not like it's a process that's recently um well i have been delinquent

[0:06:01] Voice 1: Is administration not your favorite part of the job,

[0:06:04] Voice 1: Connor Chadwick?

[0:06:05] Trustee Maude: So isn't the chair the discipline of supply?

[0:06:08] Voice 1: Yes, there'll be no cookies at our next meeting.

[0:06:12] Trustee Maude: So if

[0:06:13] Voice 1: it does say completed, it is

[0:06:15] Voice 1: in fact 100%.

[0:06:19] Voice 1: So we'll just add, I'll take it by general consent

[0:06:22] Voice 1: that a one and a zero be added to each of the meetings

[0:06:25] Voice 5: marked completed.

[0:06:27] Voice 1: and for the satisfaction of our our administrative process here excellent

[0:06:36] Voice 1: great okay moving on to correspondence we have none and applications and

[0:06:43] Voice 1: referrals Wow section 12 already we have three referrals we add

[0:06:48] Voice 2: that we did get

[0:06:50] Voice 2: Correspondence from Marilyn Winterbottom. I'm sorry

[0:06:53] Voice 2: I didn't skip that.

[0:06:56] Voice 2: It didn't come in time to go on the agenda. Okay,

[0:06:59] Voice 1: so how

[0:07:01] Voice 1: do we note that in

[0:07:02] Voice 1: the minutes that correspondence, because we can't add them retroactively to the

[0:07:06] Voice 1: minutes, we can know in the minutes that correspondence was received.

[0:07:13] Voice 2: Marilyn Winterbottom.

[0:07:14] Voice 1: Lisa do you have that correspondence? I get Janine you

[0:07:18] Voice 1: forwarded it um just to get the name right no

[0:07:24] Voice 7: i don't have the correspondence but if you could

[0:07:29] Voice 7: repeat the name i'll include that in the minutes it's maryland winter bottom exactly

[0:07:34] Voice 7: spelled

[0:07:35] Voice 7: exactly how thank

[0:07:37] Trustee Maude: you if you look so shortened okay

[0:07:40] Voice 1: oh it was from you oh i see sorry but oh

[0:07:43] Trustee Maude: that's true yeah that's very true it

[0:07:46] Voice 1: was from you no i did receive that

[0:07:47] Voice 1: then okay yeah um

[0:07:51] Voice 1: there we go there we go that is the one yeah maryland winter bottom yes thank you so you

[0:07:59] Trustee Maude: ordered that to lisa yeah yeah but

[0:08:02] Voice 1: it just can't be included in the

[0:08:03] Voice 1: minutes but uh so we have a

[0:08:06] Voice 1: record of it that we've received it okay um thanks for that so three uh referrals from local trust

[0:08:15] Voice 1: committees 12.1 salt spring island uh referral for proposed bylaws 544 and 505 page 18. so i

[0:08:25] Trustee Maude: just had one logistical question um at the front there's this email from rod pringle i don't know

[0:08:31] Trustee Maude: we've ever seen that before was there something i just wondering if there was something in there

[0:08:35] Trustee Maude: that we were supposed to be reading

[0:08:37] Voice 3: was

[0:08:38] Trustee Maude: recently or was it just yes

[0:08:40] Voice 3: or not so maybe there was a

[0:08:43] Trustee Maude: because I I read sort it didn't seem to be anything special there

[0:08:47] Voice 1: but I've never

[0:08:48] Trustee Maude: seen one of those before

[0:08:49] Voice 1: this

[0:08:51] Trustee Maude: or like a cover email yeah

[0:08:52] Voice 1: I might have just been

[0:08:54] Voice 1: included by mistake yeah typically we just see the bylaw referral form yeah so

[0:09:01] Trustee Maude: I just

[0:09:01] Trustee Maude: wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something

[0:09:03] Voice 1: so this the purpose of

[0:09:07] Voice 1: the bylaws to legalize commercial use is previously permitted by a temporary use

[0:09:11] Voice 1: permits. Do we want to apply that our interests are unaffected? I'll move that

[0:09:16] Voice 2: our interests are unaffected by Saltsfront Island bylaw number 544 and 545.

[0:09:22] Voice 1: Thank you. Move. Do I have a seconder? Seconded.

[0:09:24] Voice 1: All those in favor? That is carried. I

[0:09:27] Trustee Maude: still say we have to at one point. I want

[0:09:31] Voice 1: to know what's

[0:09:31] Trustee Maude: going to happen.

[0:09:32] Voice 1: We are affected. That's right. Okay. Galeano Island Local Trust Committee referral proposed bylaws 296 and 297.

[0:09:41] Voice 1: And page 28, this is slightly more extensive, site-specific, okay, rezoning from rural to

[0:09:53] Voice 1: zone to site-specific rural to zone.

[0:09:56] Voice 2: I have a question.

[0:09:59] Voice 2: I thought we already did a bylaw for the same person at our last meeting.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: So I don't know if this is a different one.

[0:10:08] Voice 2: It still doesn't impact us.

[0:10:11] Voice 1: yeah you think we did this already well I'm just wondering I remember the

[0:10:14] Voice 2: conversation there's

[0:10:19] Trustee Maude: no harm saying our interests are further not affected we

[0:10:23] Voice 1: are again going to restate that our interests aren't affected okay do I have a mover yes

[0:10:30] Voice 1: I'll move it thank you moved seconded by Trustee Mudd and all those in favor that

[0:10:35] Voice 1: That is carried, thank you.

[0:10:38] Voice 1: And finally, the Saturna Island Local Trust Area

[0:10:42] Voice 1: submitted by-law number 143 with amendments

[0:10:46] Voice 1: to update where secondary suites are permitted

[0:10:50] Voice 1: in consideration of the most recently available

[0:10:52] Voice 1: provincial saltwater intrusion mapping data.

[0:10:54] Voice 2: This looks interesting.

[0:10:56] Voice 2: And I'll move that our interests are not affected

[0:11:00] Voice 2: by Saturna Island by-law number 143.

[0:11:04] Voice 2: Thank

[0:11:04] Voice 1: you. Seconder? Seconded. And all those in favor? That is carried.

[0:11:09] Voice 1: Thank you. Now we move to the meat and

[0:11:13] Voice 1: the pith and substance of the main island

[0:11:18] Voice 1: projects, which is our phase two of the housing project.

[0:11:22] Voice 1: So, or

[0:11:23] Voice 2: housing review, rather.

[0:11:25] Voice 2: Just want to mention, we keep spelling miners, like miners.

[0:11:29] Voice 2: Got the O in there instead of the E. So it's probably just the spell

[0:11:33] Voice 2: Right. Right. So that's just the minor. Is there a couple?

[0:11:36] Voice 2: Minor. Minor.

[0:11:38] Voice 2: Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

[0:11:39] Voice 2: Yeah. The minor. Not the

[0:11:41] Voice 2: youngsters, but the.

[0:11:42] Voice 2: Oh, okay. Got it. Minors. Yeah.

[0:11:45] Voice 2: It's an E instead of a couple.

[0:11:46] Voice 1: Think adult,

[0:11:47] Voice 2: not children. Okay. Got it.

[0:11:48] Voice 2: It's a minor little mistake that probably just.

[0:11:52] Voice 2: Great. So

[0:11:54] Voice 1: we can slow down for this because really this is what we're here for.

[0:11:57] Voice 1: And go ahead, Nerissa, take us through.

[0:12:01] Voice 3: Yeah, okay. So yeah, the staff, so the staff, I think the focus of our conversation today is really about some decision making around how you want to move forward with deciding on where flex housing expanded if there's need for further community conversation.

[0:12:21] Voice 3: I brought maps we can

[0:12:23] Voice 3: look at and identify sort of where you want to go with that.

[0:12:30] Voice 3: So in terms of process, I thought maybe I'd just remind you what you've already agreed to and what's going to be in the draft amendments that are going to be coming forward to you, hopefully by the plan is by July.

[0:12:45] Voice 3: We've got Bruce Belcher helping with that.

[0:12:47] Voice 3: that. Unless there are any other questions that emerge around any of the other topics

[0:13:02] Voice 3: within those bylaws, then the flex housing expansion is really the only outlaying, but

[0:13:09] Voice 3: you do have an opportunity to talk about other things. I'll point out the things that you've

[0:13:14] Voice 3: decided not not to do in this list i've got the list in front of me here of where we've been so

[0:13:20] Voice 3: in terms of where we've been um we've had um so we will be integrating new definitions and those

[0:13:27] Voice 3: are some of those have been presented to you and part of that is consistency with other ltcs and

[0:13:32] Voice 3: as we what's interesting is as i'm working on um you know both gabriel and dem and so as i'm moving

[0:13:39] Voice 3: through those products too um it becomes really clear whether there are there are different ways

[0:13:44] Voice 3: of referring to the same thing like accessory dwelling unit right some

[0:13:47] Voice 3: like you know we've

[0:13:50] Voice 3: retained we've retained cottage because that's throughout your

[0:13:54] Voice 5: your

[0:13:55] Voice 3: bylaws and it's in your

[0:13:57] Voice 3: covenants and so we've done a work around with the with cottage but um but there will be updates as

[0:14:03] Voice 3: as applicable to the LTC.

[0:14:06] Voice 3: So, so far we've had under expanding opportunities

[0:14:11] Voice 3: to build secondary suites and accessory dwelling units.

[0:14:14] Voice 3: You've agreed to sort of expanding the ability

[0:14:17] Voice 3: for more units in commercial

[0:14:20] Voice 3: or requiring worker housing

[0:14:22] Voice 3: in significant commercial rezonings,

[0:14:25] Voice 3: increasing the flexibility

[0:14:27] Voice 3: for residential use in commercial areas,

[0:14:30] Voice 3: areas. Expanding secondary suites permissions into the water service areas. Permitting ADEs

[0:14:41] Voice 3: on smaller lots, and that's where we had a conversation last meeting about your interest

[0:14:46] Voice 3: in a combined floor area for the lots that are under an acre. Expanding flexible housing

[0:14:54] Voice 3: Housing regulations, we'll be looking at that today.

[0:14:57] Voice 3: So then we've got expand residential use permissions

[0:15:01] Voice 3: and permit for multi-unit developments.

[0:15:07] Voice 3: So under that, you have agreed to allowing rezoning

[0:15:12] Voice 3: for non-market housing in more land use designations.

[0:15:17] Voice 3: The proactively rezoning for existing land

[0:15:21] Voice 3: for multiple dwellings is something

[0:15:22] Voice 3: that you you haven't made any decisions around because it wasn't clear that there was particular

[0:15:27] Voice 3: areas um permitting so increasing alternative housing options permitting rezoning for modular

[0:15:35] Voice 3: homes or villages that was another thing that was discussed but it wasn't clear it wasn't clear that

[0:15:39] Voice 3: there was anywhere um to go um developing tbp guidelines for tiny homes so that also involved

[0:15:47] Voice 3: involved restricting RV use with TUPs.

[0:15:56] Voice 3: Rezoning for manufactured mobile tiny home parks.

[0:15:59] Voice 3: Again, that's another one that was,

[0:16:01] Voice 3: no clear area was identified.

[0:16:05] Voice 3: A permitting nonprofit housing in most OCP designations.

[0:16:11] Voice 3: That's been, language has been approved.

[0:16:14] Voice 3: permitting reduction of minimum parcel size to facilitate land for donation to government

[0:16:21] Voice 3: non-profit First Nations, proactively zoning to facilitate subdivision resulting in a donation

[0:16:29] Voice 3: of land, so that's still a conversation to be had, that's again the Montrose property conversation,

[0:16:34] Voice 3: so that still hasn't been resolved, what you'd like to do with that, because that could also

[0:16:39] Voice 3: be something we have a discussion about today um the pre-zoning to facilitate the development of

[0:16:46] Voice 3: affordable housing that was very specific to the crd property and um we did write a letter

[0:16:51] Voice 3: to them we were waiting for their letter to come back um their response and it's

[0:16:56] Voice 3: just based on some sort of preliminary conversation it it may not be in their

[0:17:01] Voice 3: interest because of the the um survey of the the geological uh or the uh and what's it called the

[0:17:09] Voice 3: engineering report related to the steep slope right um

[0:17:14] Voice 3: it's it looks like it's not a very

[0:17:17] Voice 3: good area to build so that's the end of wooddale

[0:17:21] Voice 9: um

[0:17:22] Voice 3: so then we've got some additional things that

[0:17:25] Voice 3: are related specifically to protecting the environment so um use of cisterns for uh

[0:17:31] Voice 3: requirement of systems for older builds and um and you may recall that uh we also had a

[0:17:37] Voice 3: conversation and you you had agreed to uh smaller cisterns first for some for smaller units um

[0:17:45] Voice 3: potable water requirements for subdivision um those are the ones that you kind of read through

[0:17:50] Voice 3: um they're the ones that have been adopted by north pender and we had a little bit of discussion

[0:17:54] Voice 3: around those but those were approved to move forward prohibiting groundwater fed swimming

[0:18:01] Voice 3: pools you proved that language and then establishing floor area maximums were appropriate

[0:18:07] Voice 3: and so um and i think you what you had agreed to agreed to is putting in those maximums as

[0:18:13] Voice 3: as related so the the numbers that are going in are the same numbers the flex housing numbers

[0:18:19] Voice 3: and i think

[0:18:20] Voice 3: you were you were good with just going forward with that seeing

[0:18:22] Voice 3: what the community had to say so that's that's what that's where things have been so far and so

[0:18:29] Voice 3: with respect to and so you know i sort of also this is the opportunity to have the conversations

[0:18:37] Voice 3: around whether whether you you want to out proactively zone for multi-unit or anything

[0:18:44] Voice 3: we'll look at the map if there's things that have come to mind you can have the conversation

[0:18:48] Voice 3: I want to kind of have you focus on like two questions.

[0:18:55] Voice 3: There was a conversation about expanding the conversation

[0:18:58] Voice 3: out with the community and putting a, I mean,

[0:19:01] Voice 3: I did draft an article for the main lighter,

[0:19:06] Voice 3: not explicitly asking people if they're interested

[0:19:10] Voice 3: in flex housing building, but basically just identifying

[0:19:13] Voice 3: what the project has done so far, what's been agreed to,

[0:19:17] Voice 3: what flex housing is um to provide an opportunity for a informed conversation and encourage people

[0:19:24] Voice 3: to have a conversation um at your july 28th meeting um and so one of the resolutions that i

[0:19:30] Voice 3: i uh need to add to here is to um is to direct staff to to um schedule a cim for that um that

[0:19:41] Voice 3: next meeting so that you can um and and that's when we anticipate being able to bring uh

[0:19:47] Voice 3: all of the bylaws forward for first reading.

[0:19:49] Voice 3: So you can have the CIM and everybody can become aware.

[0:19:52] Voice 3: The draft bylaws will be out there for review

[0:19:55] Voice 5: in

[0:19:56] Voice 3: the package ahead of time.

[0:19:58] Voice 3: And then any changes can be made at that point in time.

[0:20:03] Voice 1: So, sorry, can you pause on that?

[0:20:05] Voice 1: Yep.

[0:20:05] Voice 1: So the CIM would, we'd also be considering,

[0:20:09] Voice 1: or we'd just be reviewing the draft bylaws.

[0:20:11] Voice 3: Just be reviewing.

[0:20:12] Voice 1: We

[0:20:12] Voice 3: can consider first reading at that point.

[0:20:14] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:20:14] Voice 1: And then bring it back.

[0:20:15] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:20:16] Voice 1: or July I thought you'd said July we'll see the draft bylaws come in but yeah

[0:20:22] Voice 3: you see the draft

[0:20:23] Voice 3: bylaws we can have a CIM at the same same time as that

[0:20:26] Voice 1: meeting oh I see I see thanks I thought

[0:20:28] Voice 1: you were talking about scheduling an additional meeting no

[0:20:30] Voice 3: no no thank

[0:20:31] Voice 1: you as part

[0:20:32] Voice 3: of that meeting

[0:20:32] Voice 3: yeah okay

[0:20:34] Voice 2: can we also in this meeting refer this to our APC who hopefully can meet in June

[0:20:40] Voice 2: sure because I'll have lots of time so we should refer this because yeah and what

[0:20:44] Voice 2: is it that you

[0:20:45] Voice 2: want to just she gives input into really the whole project whether we're going in

[0:20:52] Voice 2: the right direction or whether they see anything in here okay be of concern yeah

[0:20:57] Voice 2: which I highly challenge but I think it's an opportunity putting it in the

[0:21:02] Voice 2: main liner is great but actually get conversation going okay that's almost a

[0:21:10] Voice 1: public awareness piece from what it what input and then what you want is are we

[0:21:15] Voice 1: going in the right direction yes okay yeah

[0:21:17] Voice 3: and we can refer all of the um the relevant uh staff

[0:21:21] Voice 3: reports cool

[0:21:24] Voice 1: uh

[0:21:25] Voice 3: relevant staff reports and you basically want uh to

[0:21:30] Voice 2: know uh whether well because

[0:21:32] Voice 2: part of what's in here somewhere was you know the i mean traditionally you're going to be able to

[0:21:37] Voice 2: have an rb on a lot and that will be that permission is going to be removed so okay so

[0:21:43] Voice 5: a few little

[0:21:44] Voice 2: um so that would be one question um are you concerned about the uh the inability of

[0:21:51] Voice 2: future property owners undeveloped properties to install an rd and did it say somewhere that you

[0:21:58] Voice 2: could do like a temporary use permit but you were building a house with an rv yeah

[0:22:03] Voice 3: so i think i

[0:22:04] Voice 3: think it's that you you

[0:22:05] Voice 2: you can so

[0:22:06] Voice 3: basically the way that the the change that has been made is um

[0:22:10] Voice 3: um um is that they're not allowed yes so um basically to allow them you apply for a

[0:22:19] Voice 3: okay but

[0:22:21] Voice 2: the ones that we already have are grandfathered in uh they would they would have

[0:22:25] Voice 2: uh yeah because there are people that have lived for many years they would have uh okay they'd be

[0:22:33] Voice 2: grandfathered but that's probably a conversation to seek protection i mean it's one of those things

[0:22:37] Voice 2: that can get out of yeah

[0:22:39] Voice 1: I do have a question about that because I thought

[0:22:41] Voice 1: legal non-conforming protection covered buildings which were so currently if our

[0:22:48] Voice 1: bees are considered it

[0:22:49] Voice 3: so yeah so currently the bylaw allows our permanent

[0:22:52] Voice 3: use and under and now we're going to take that so if you remove it the people

[0:22:57] Voice 3: that are currently living in them that were allowed okay

[0:23:01] Voice 2: that's that's one

[0:23:04] Voice 2: one that just to make sure that we get the actual real facts

[0:23:07] Voice 2: out there. Yeah, folks panic. Are

[0:23:10] Voice 3: there any others that you'd

[0:23:11] Voice 3: want to flag?

[0:23:16] Voice 1: Well, what about putting the map out to the APC?

[0:23:21] Voice 3: Yep, we can do

[0:23:22] Voice 3: that.

[0:23:22] Voice 1: Once we sort of settle on it that not could be because

[0:23:26] Voice 1: then they might be able to identify or at least have a

[0:23:30] Voice 1: conversation about some of the lots

[0:23:34] Voice 1: It

[0:23:34] Voice 2: could be a question, I mean, it's more a question for the water districts, but a question, because most of our APC members will be in a water district of one sort or other, if they feel like this week will be an undue burden.

[0:23:47] Voice 2: It's easier to ask the APC as a group than to hold a special meeting and invite all of the water

[0:23:52] Voice 1: districts, and they

[0:23:53] Voice 2: will get the referral after the first meeting anyway.

[0:23:55] Voice 2: but it's a good question to ask depending which water district you're in there are different

[0:24:01] Voice 2: issues and they all operate under different criteria yeah yeah you can and can't yeah so

[0:24:07] Voice 3: that would be so

[0:24:07] Voice 2: water the water yeah the secondary suites in the water districts yeah

[0:24:13] Voice 3: because yeah

[0:24:14] Voice 3: if we can flag

[0:24:14] Voice 2: the ones that you that well those are the ones that i think

[0:24:18] Voice 2: will cause concerns how

[0:24:23] Voice 1: about establishing floor area maximums is that a is that a key concern

[0:24:28] Voice 1: we want feedback on I

[0:24:37] Voice 2: think so most mostly it'll be a explanation of what it actually means so

[0:24:42] Voice 2: we're not actually talking about a limit on construction size of new dwellings we're talking

[0:24:49] Voice 2: more about flex zone okay

[0:24:52] Voice 1: oh

[0:24:53] Voice 3: well that one was actually in the context

[0:24:55] Voice 2: of oh of new built new

[0:24:58] Voice 2: new homes okay with so that but with so is there a cap on the maximum size of a new build that was

[0:25:04] Voice 3: that's what that's really good too yeah yeah

[0:25:07] Voice 2: and that's important to get that out there

[0:25:09] Voice 3: this this the floor area is the same as the combined right okay

[0:25:13] Voice 3: yes that's what we just

[0:25:14] Voice 3: sort of decide to go with as a preliminary so just kind of question asked whether this

[0:25:19] Voice 3: they what they think about it

[0:25:21] Voice 2: that's a good one yeah

[0:25:23] Voice 1: i think okay

[0:25:29] Voice 1: so do we want to look at the map now or do we want to consider the criteria yeah

[0:25:35] Voice 3: let's so let's

[0:25:38] Voice 3: Let's look at the map, and we can think about the criteria when we're looking at the map.

[0:25:42] Voice 3: I think that

[0:25:43] Voice 3: would be useful.

[0:25:45] Voice 3: So the one thing, though, before we go there, is the article.

[0:25:48] Voice 3: Are you interested in this article?

[0:25:50] Voice 2: I think it should go in the mainliner.

[0:25:52] Voice 2: You know, hopefully it's quite straightforward, and people can have a chance to read it,

[0:25:58] Voice 2: and if they have concerns, ask the questions.

[0:26:01] Voice 2: So it's, you know, I mean, that's as an insert, I would think, like, has a double sided page.

[0:26:08] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:26:11] Voice 2: Unless we change minor.

[0:26:13] Voice 2: Oh yes, minor will be correct.

[0:26:18] Voice 3: The

[0:26:18] Trustee Maude: one thing I would suggest, I'm assuming that the map

[0:26:22] Voice 3: is

[0:26:23] Trustee Maude: part of the article.

[0:26:24] Voice 3: It can be, it isn't.

[0:26:28] Voice 3: Yeah, the map could be.

[0:26:31] Voice 3: I

[0:26:32] Trustee Maude: think it helps it expand a little bit better.

[0:26:33] Voice 3: But

[0:26:34] Trustee Maude: what I would suggest is that we blow the budget and do that in color.

[0:26:40] Voice 5: Because

[0:26:40] Trustee Maude: in black and white, the map is hardly as effective as in color.

[0:26:45] Trustee Maude: So I don't know how much more that is, but I think it's...

[0:26:49] Voice 3: I think we've got a good budget.

[0:26:51] Trustee Maude: We never spend your budget.

[0:26:53] Trustee Maude: So I think that would be money well spent.

[0:26:55] Trustee Maude: Okay,

[0:26:56] Voice 3: I agree. Yeah. And so that's what I've got here. I've got the map, color, large form.

[0:27:02] Voice 3: Just

[0:27:03] Voice 1: before we move to that, I think I would personally put the sentence that's under what is flexible housing zoning, I actually would put that at the top right before for the past year.

[0:27:17] Voice 1: year like because it it the top the top sentence like

[0:27:22] Voice 1: it explains everything but it we're going

[0:27:24] Voice 1: backwards in a context first and what i think is more eye-catching would be the intent of this

[0:27:29] Voice 1: initiative is to support the creation of smaller more affordable housing units that meet the needs

[0:27:33] Voice 1: of the main island community then for the past year we've been working through this because it

[0:27:39] Voice 1: just kind of okay do you know what i mean just move that you want that up and then we talk about

[0:27:45] Voice 3: the other things well

[0:27:46] Voice 1: it's like start with what it is and then move into the background so is

[0:27:50] Trustee Maude: the intent just just that part or the whole thing no just that so just the first line

[0:27:54] Voice 1: just the first

[0:27:55] Voice 1: line that's your like eye-catching bullet oh okay what's the intent just move that before the for

[0:28:03] Voice 1: the past year oh yeah okay yeah good that's it got

[0:28:10] Trustee Maude: it

[0:28:11] Voice 1: yes and then you explain it down below it's

[0:28:14] Voice 1: That's great.

[0:28:15] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:28:15] Voice 1: Sorry.

[0:28:16] Voice 1: That was my one thing.

[0:28:17] Voice 1: That's good.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: Your suggestion.

[0:28:20] Voice 1: Great.

[0:28:21] Trustee Maude: Now the map.

[0:28:23] Trustee Maude: You ready for the map?

[0:28:24] Voice 1: Now the map.

[0:28:25] Voice 1: We

[0:28:25] Trustee Maude: like pretty pictures.

[0:28:27] Voice 1: You two want to get close to it, and I'll...

[0:28:30] Voice 1: We

[0:28:31] Trustee Maude: got two, I think.

[0:28:31] Voice 1: We do have two, though.

[0:28:32] Voice 1: I thought it would

[0:28:33] Voice 1: be useful if we looked at all the same map.

[0:28:35] Voice 2: Yeah?

[0:28:37] Voice 2: I

[0:28:37] Voice 3: could have made it double the size, but I was...

[0:28:39] Voice 3: I thought...

[0:28:40] Voice 1: I feel like I don't even see...

[0:28:42] Voice 3: Well, I could get...

[0:28:44] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:28:44] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:28:44] Voice 1: The other thing, do I have highlighters?

[0:28:47] Voice 3: No!

[0:28:48] Voice 1: Stickies.

[0:28:49] Voice 3: I got stickers.

[0:28:52] Voice 3: So really what I was thinking you could do is just like, so this is what we've already had the conversation with about, right?

[0:29:00] Voice 3: So the grey area, this is where you already allow flex housing.

[0:29:06] Voice 3: And I'm just bringing this up because I think this is where we also start to think about the criteria.

[0:29:11] Voice 3: and if you want any other criteria in our discussion, right?

[0:29:16] Voice 3: So this is where you've already identified

[0:29:20] Voice 3: when we had our, we've already had a conversation

[0:29:22] Voice 3: around expanding to these.

[0:29:24] Voice 3: And these are the areas that I identified to you

[0:29:27] Voice 3: in the previous staff report.

[0:29:32] Voice 3: So the smallest lot is 0.3 hectares.

[0:29:36] Voice 3: And so that's also a question is if you're okay

[0:29:38] Voice 3: if you want to go down to point three um um there's a few there's a few they're the ones

[0:29:46] Voice 3: that are the light blue right right so

[0:29:48] Voice 3: they're more going up

[0:29:49] Voice 2: this road yeah it's the lumberyard

[0:29:51] Voice 3: yeah i mean there's a couple near town here right right so that's a that's a question for me to you

[0:29:56] Voice 3: and like is that like this point three okay because

[0:29:58] Voice 3: Because it's...

[0:30:00] Voice 3: It's

[0:30:00] Voice 2: a lot of coverage, basically.

[0:30:01] Voice 2: You're still shrinking your footprint.

[0:30:03] Voice 3: Right.

[0:30:04] Voice 3: Right.

[0:30:05] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:30:05] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:30:06] Voice 3: And then there's one larger lot.

[0:30:11] Voice 3: So this is the one that's above five.

[0:30:14] Voice 5: The

[0:30:14] Voice 3: other consideration is that if you want,

[0:30:16] Voice 3: and I had this conversation with Robert,

[0:30:18] Voice 3: is that if you want it to be considered as a portion of a larger lot,

[0:30:24] Voice 3: there's an opportunity to split them.

[0:30:26] Voice 2: Oh, okay.

[0:30:27] Voice 3: property so that you could have flex housing on a portion and the rest of it

[0:30:32] Voice 3: would be whatever it is so that's also a consideration when you look at the

[0:30:37] Voice 9: map

[0:30:38] Voice 3: and think about this so

[0:30:42] Voice 1: would you include that information in the in the

[0:30:46] Voice 1: invitation because people might not come forward if they're just like oh right

[0:30:50] Voice 3: now there

[0:30:50] Voice 1: isn't an invitation

[0:30:51] Voice 3: in the article I didn't explicitly invite I

[0:30:55] Voice 3: I just said if you're interested in hearing more, right?

[0:30:59] Voice 3: So this is also if you want an inclusion for people to be considering their property.

[0:31:04] Voice 3: This

[0:31:05] Voice 2: here is Parkland, anyways, across there.

[0:31:07] Voice 2: And then

[0:31:08] Voice 2: this is the already zoned settlement residential, unless I'm wrong.

[0:31:12] Voice 2: I must be wrong on that one there.

[0:31:16] Voice 2: This is probably the back of Montrose.

[0:31:19] Voice 2: So this is the Montrose property.

[0:31:22] Voice 2: That's Park.

[0:31:23] Voice 2: I think that's all.

[0:31:24] Voice 2: That's Park.

[0:31:24] Voice 2: What's the name?

[0:31:27] Trustee Maude: Don't know the name of the property, can't remember the name.

[0:31:30] Trustee Maude: Oh, Mary Jeffers.

[0:31:31] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:31:31] Voice 2: Mary Jeffers, yeah.

[0:31:32] Voice 2: That's Park.

[0:31:32] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:31:33] Voice 2: So this, I think, is all Park.

[0:31:34] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:31:35] Voice 2: So, and then this piece here really is owned by Dean, or by the Mackays, but will, I'm

[0:31:42] Voice 2: sure, someday become part of the Park, so it's not really suitable to...

[0:31:45] Voice 5: Mm-hmm.

[0:31:46] Voice 3: Mm-hmm.

[0:31:47] Voice 3: With

[0:31:48] Trustee Maude: your...

[0:31:48] Trustee Maude: Is it easy to add in that Parks layer?

[0:31:52] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:31:53] Voice 3: Yeah, I was just, like, to add to the map for when we

[0:31:55] Trustee Maude: send it out?

[0:31:56] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:31:56] Voice 3: we can do that.

[0:31:57] Trustee Maude: If we did, if we...

[0:31:58] Voice 3: Like, just add the zoning, or...

[0:32:00] Voice 3: If

[0:32:00] Trustee Maude: we just color, we can

[0:32:02] Voice 3: color parks and protected areas, yeah.

[0:32:06] Trustee Maude: I think that would really help the context.

[0:32:08] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:32:08] Voice 2: because then people can orient.

[0:32:10] Trustee Maude: Well, because, too,

[0:32:11] Voice 2: if you're putting more density,

[0:32:12] Voice 2: but you're backing it onto protected areas,

[0:32:15] Voice 2: then the density has a lot less impact.

[0:32:17] Voice 5: Yeah, we can add that.

[0:32:18] Voice 5: yeah

[0:32:19] Voice 1: and though why what what about these lots on me it's all water from the

[0:32:28] Trustee Maude: after the upper side that's

[0:32:33] Voice 3: where there's they have the flooding coming

[0:32:35] Voice 3: down here but the

[0:32:39] Trustee Maude: only thing is you know with development comes and improve

[0:32:43] Trustee Maude: drainage so it actually might solve a problem but

[0:32:47] Voice 2: they're not the down

[0:32:49] Trustee Maude: yeah I

[0:32:50] Voice 2: mean it could it could it could you prefer I mean they are good-sized lots there so if all

[0:32:57] Voice 2: these upper ones there's not really any reason for them to not at least be able to have a house

[0:33:01] Voice 2: and cottage based on

[0:33:03] Voice 1: approximately what size would those be

[0:33:05] Voice 2: sort of equivalent

[0:33:06] Voice 1: to yeah so

[0:33:07] Voice 2: like they were really decent size yeah so that's your acre difference we've got that

[0:33:15] Trustee Maude: this is different financial law

[0:33:17] Voice 1: yeah because there's some just sometimes they're narrow

[0:33:20] Voice 1: although if they're narrow but if you're talking about this arena and you've got like

[0:33:25] Voice 1: don't build there but i

[0:33:27] Voice 2: mean you're not subdividing the ones you don't have a house

[0:33:29] Voice 2: so there's not and and they're not actually that way a lot of them are like this end

[0:33:36] Voice 2: but high and dry so here's where you can add yeah so add which ones you think the

[0:33:42] Voice 2: ones that are most impacted the wet ones of course of these two at the end here

[0:33:45] Voice 3: they catch

[0:33:46] Voice 2: all this water but I don't think it really is it's an issue to

[0:33:50] Voice 2: include them all if they actually add dwelling these ones on this side in the

[0:33:54] Trustee Maude: other side in

[0:33:55] Trustee Maude: realistic speaking the lower side one

[0:33:59] Voice 2: actually this is not

[0:34:01] Voice 2: corner is part of this all right yeah so from there over again and then this one would be like

[0:34:07] Voice 2: the weddest is where catherine yeah catherine's right yeah it's well we're just talking about

[0:34:15] Voice 2: options so those

[0:34:19] Trustee Maude: are the three blocks that i think are really good for for like tiny home

[0:34:25] Trustee Maude: communities which one so these three

[0:34:28] Voice 2: because

[0:34:29] Trustee Maude: they're flat excellent water

[0:34:32] Trustee Maude: actually excellent

[0:34:33] Trustee Maude: septic road

[0:34:35] Trustee Maude: but

[0:34:38] Voice 2: aren't they already we were talking

[0:34:43] Trustee Maude: about identifying suitable area

[0:34:56] Voice 9: cheerio

[0:34:58] Voice 8: you lost audio

[0:35:05] Voice 5: so these

[0:35:11] Voice 3: ones would be

[0:35:12] Voice 3: Maybe under flex zoning, they would be allowed to have three dwellings in a college, so essentially

[0:35:17] Voice 3: four dwellings.

[0:35:19] Voice 3: So I mean, if you're thinking about considering, so the other thing, so also, if you're thinking

[0:35:25] Voice 3: about those,

[0:35:26] Voice 5: I'd

[0:35:27] Voice 3: also need to know what other criteria you'd want me to have a look at.

[0:35:34] Voice 2: Because when you're talking about tiny, so we're talking flex housing, you've got that

[0:35:38] Voice 2: many more structures.

[0:35:39] Voice 2: we're talking about tiny homes it should be there again so instead of having five

[0:35:46] Voice 2: flex housing yeah if I have ten but they're that much smaller there's only

[0:35:51] Voice 2: 300 square feet yeah so however that formula works that's really okay so

[0:35:56] Voice 2: instead of building the cottage yeah so can you add that to the you can we for

[0:36:03] Voice 2: that

[0:36:03] Voice 3: area that you could add that so if you're looking at say like a tiny home

[0:36:09] Voice 3: village like we have now this concept which we put into your in the ocp language which is

[0:36:15] Voice 3: is clustered small housing up to 500 500 maximum size so that's where you could allow for like you

[0:36:25] Voice 3: could pre-zone for how many of our units because

[0:36:30] Trustee Maude: i would say that's

[0:36:30] Voice 3: a small to to a maximum of

[0:36:34] Voice 3: I would say whatever the flex housing maximum.

[0:36:38] Trustee Maude: Because those three lots in particular, they're really good, but also that one.

[0:36:44] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:36:45] Trustee Maude: so which ones are you using?

[0:36:46] Trustee Maude: So one, two, three, and then there.

[0:36:48] Voice 2: These ones?

[0:36:49] Trustee Maude: So let's get the stickers out.

[0:36:50] Voice 2: Yeah, put the green sticker on them.

[0:36:52] Voice 2: I want to

[0:36:53] Trustee Maude: play with stickers.

[0:36:53] Voice 2: I think they're all in that area.

[0:36:56] Voice 2: They're all relatively level.

[0:36:58] Voice 2: Okay, so the criteria is that they're sort of level.

[0:37:01] Voice 2: And they have a lot of water.

[0:37:03] Voice 2: A lot of water, yeah.

[0:37:05] Voice 2: Tons of water.

[0:37:07] Voice 2: And they're close to

[0:37:08] Voice 2: the health

[0:37:09] Voice 3: center and the school.

[0:37:11] Voice 2: They're not too deep.

[0:37:12] Voice 2: And they're not all built on wood.

[0:37:14] Voice 2: These are all here.

[0:37:16] Voice 2: They're all flat,

[0:37:18] Trustee Maude: very sandy soil.

[0:37:19] Trustee Maude: The septic's really good there.

[0:37:21] Trustee Maude: The water's really good there, and they're level.

[0:37:24] Voice 3: Okay, so you're saying, so we're talking about tiny home,

[0:37:27] Voice 3: or small, let's call it small

[0:37:30] Voice 3: clustered housing.

[0:37:32] Voice 3: I'm suffering here.

[0:37:33] Voice 1: You're suffering? Come on, you wanted them thicker.

[0:37:36] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:37:36] Trustee Maude: I

[0:37:37] Voice 1: think it would be awesome.

[0:37:38] Trustee Maude: Only the four that I know

[0:37:40] Trustee Maude: I think really work for that.

[0:37:42] Voice 3: I guess it's close

[0:37:44] Voice 3: to town.

[0:37:50] Voice 3: I mean, also...

[0:37:51] Trustee Maude: It's because they're basically

[0:37:53] Trustee Maude: virtually vacant lots right now.

[0:37:55] Voice 2: Quite a few of these are still undeveloped lots.

[0:37:59] Voice 2: I don't know why.

[0:38:05] Voice 2: I don't see anything wrong with including really everything because the

[0:38:09] Voice 2: reality is if it turns out that you're a lot it's like yeah yeah so I think that

[0:38:15] Voice 2: whole area is it's fine not everyone's going to opt to do that why don't the

[0:38:20] Voice 1: ones on the up is that well

[0:38:21] Voice 1: I think we should

[0:38:22] Voice 2: do it all I

[0:38:23] Trustee Maude: just I just the only

[0:38:24] Trustee Maude: The only reason I didn't say after is because it's not level.

[0:38:26] Trustee Maude: So are

[0:38:27] Voice 3: you thinking that would just be more units?

[0:38:33] Voice 3: So if it's lots 1.2 to 5, then we've got a maximum total of 4,750.

[0:38:45] Voice 3: So would you be okay with that would be like 8, 10 units of 500?

[0:38:51] Voice 3: hundred yeah

[0:38:52] Trustee Maude: that's pretty acceptable for the size of those properties

[0:38:56] Voice 2: odds of

[0:38:57] Voice 2: even anyone one land or you know then

[0:39:00] Voice 2: they create a

[0:39:01] Trustee Maude: co-op of some sort

[0:39:01] Voice 2: so

[0:39:02] Trustee Maude: would that be like it as like if so what you're suggesting is a pre zoning sort

[0:39:08] Trustee Maude: of like what we did in it for the miners Bay commercial area so we identify as

[0:39:14] Trustee Maude: being a suitable if

[0:39:15] Voice 3: it's suitable yeah so looking at

[0:39:17] Voice 3: criteria so in this case I

[0:39:19] Voice 3: I would like to look at the maps and see what the map or the

[0:39:22] Trustee Maude: data and see what

[0:39:23] Voice 3: the data says about the water in that area.

[0:39:27] Voice 3: Are you concerned about like sensitive ecosystems?

[0:39:30] Voice 3: I mean, I can look at all of the heavily, heavily locked.

[0:39:33] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:39:33] Voice 3: it used to

[0:39:34] Trustee Maude: be a sawmill there.

[0:39:34] Trustee Maude: So

[0:39:35] Voice 3: I'll look at the ARC data and see what the ARC data tells us.

[0:39:42] Voice 3: But I think water and soil type, right?

[0:39:48] Voice 3: because that's the septic yeah and

[0:39:50] Voice 3: we've got that we did that we looked at that with the other

[0:39:52] Voice 3: flex housing as we looked at the drastics mapping which looks at the like the soil and the

[0:39:58] Voice 3: elevations and all of that kind of stuff and looks at how water runs through so i can have a look at

[0:40:02] Voice 3: that as a bit of an analysis on these but these are the ones that you're feeling are the most

[0:40:07] Voice 3: appropriate to look at well

[0:40:08] Trustee Maude: if that if that's one of the things we're considering those four lots

[0:40:13] Trustee Maude: really on the whole island there they make a lot of sense the only other way

[0:40:18] Trustee Maude: it's like out of my house so here's

[0:40:23] Voice 1: a question because I'm wondering for my

[0:40:26] Voice 1: own community kind of a nine

[0:40:28] Voice 1: nine nine nine what if it was three out of the

[0:40:30] Voice 1: four lots that we want to do that and then you've got say six and eight and

[0:40:35] Voice 1: four on another

[0:40:36] Voice 1: all of a sudden Collins like how do you manage that the overall

[0:40:40] Voice 1: all well

[0:40:41] Trustee Maude: i think the ltc manages because what we're what we're doing space we're saying in the

[0:40:44] Trustee Maude: ocp that these are designated but

[0:40:48] Voice 5: you still have

[0:40:48] Trustee Maude: you have to apply yeah so

[0:40:50] Trustee Maude: so one slam dock second

[0:40:52] Trustee Maude: one we might have a little bit bigger ice in the third one might go look you know

[0:40:55] Voice 2: but i still go

[0:40:56] Voice 2: back to the original concept that i could go in and build a 7 000 square foot house based on our

[0:41:02] Voice 2: lot coverage whereas if i'm coming if my three lots are coming to you and building you know tiny

[0:41:07] Voice 2: any homes and is there criteria that you can put in there that well this

[0:41:11] Voice 3: is what we could do

[0:41:11] Voice 3: is you could create a community a very specific zone that has some very specific criteria you've

[0:41:18] Voice 3: got your first rezoning

[0:41:19] Voice 2: application would that be the time then to create that well

[0:41:24] Voice 3: this is the

[0:41:25] Voice 3: question

[0:41:25] Voice 2: the question for you

[0:41:26] Voice 3: is so um we we can um the ocp the changes that you've already

[0:41:32] Voice 3: agreed to is already going to allow for rezoning for this type right right

[0:41:36] Voice 2: so the question right

[0:41:37] Voice 3: now is is actually pre-zoning it and putting it in your bylaw right now to allow it right and so

[0:41:44] Voice 3: um in that case you can identify some specific criteria like it's clustered within a certain

[0:41:51] Voice 3: amount of area space on the lot close to the road setbacks setbacks like all of that you can decide

[0:41:58] Voice 3: what that zone looks like um and then toby made a good point which is um you know there's the

[0:42:05] Voice 3: cumulative impact like so do you want to go ahead and allow that zoning everywhere or do you want to

[0:42:12] Voice 3: uh you know test it out with one like i mean the the you'll have to you'll have to be able to

[0:42:20] Voice 3: provide some rationale while you why you're choosing these particular things as well

[0:42:26] Trustee Maude: the only other one we haven't talked about is judge property thanks for coming

[0:42:34] Trustee Maude: thank you

[0:42:35] Voice 2: i think she's got a bit of a yeah because

[0:42:39] Trustee Maude: she's got a lot of like i think there's like 18

[0:42:41] Trustee Maude: desks or something there a

[0:42:42] Voice 2: big settlement residential but there again her road and

[0:42:46] Voice 2: she's got road access on both ends um but i see what you mean um can we not is it possible just

[0:42:53] Voice 2: just to declare this entire specific area

[0:42:58] Voice 2: without identifying individual lots?

[0:43:01] Voice 3: Well, you could, but you need

[0:43:03] Voice 2: to decide what your criteria is.

[0:43:05] Voice 3: Why are you deciding that?

[0:43:07] Voice 2: Right, right, that particular area.

[0:43:09] Voice 2: Well,

[0:43:09] Trustee Maude: maybe can we

[0:43:10] Voice 2: get them to talk about

[0:43:12] Trustee Maude: and then decide on suitability based on that?

[0:43:15] Voice 3: So you'd like us to draft like zoning related to like a tiny home

[0:43:21] Voice 3: or a clustered housing?

[0:43:22] Voice 1: from the policy options table manufactured slash tiny home slash rv communities you don't have to

[0:43:29] Voice 5: add the rv

[0:43:30] Voice 1: zone suitable zone suitable land for a serviced manufactured home tiny home or

[0:43:36] Voice 1: residential rv community clustering these types of units can develop so

[0:43:39] Voice 1: it's just you would have

[0:43:41] Voice 1: a zone for that and then you but the question is do you pre-zone it sort of

[0:43:46] Voice 1: at this point or do you

[0:43:49] Voice 1: You have that zone in your OCP that can be drawn and applied for, and that property can

[0:43:55] Voice 1: be re-zoned.

[0:43:56] Voice 3: You have the zone in the OCP, and again, what you do have is you will have the ability to

[0:44:01] Voice 3: rezone it to this.

[0:44:02] Voice 3: But what you're saying is, could we just have a model zone?

[0:44:07] Voice 3: And then the

[0:44:08] Voice 3: question is, do you want a model zone?

[0:44:10] Voice 3: Do you want to apply it to something, or you just want...

[0:44:13] Trustee Maude: I think the thing is, we just have the zone in the bylaw, and it don't have a design anywhere,

[0:44:17] Trustee Maude: but we approve it in the OCP like what we do in minor stage for commercial

[0:44:23] Trustee Maude: we're basically we pre-approved the OCP

[0:44:25] Voice 3: component area but you have that's why

[0:44:27] Voice 3: for the

[0:44:28] Voice 3: zone so maybe it's a designation is it that maybe that's what we're

[0:44:31] Voice 3: looking at is going back to that

[0:44:32] Voice 2: it's looking at

[0:44:34] Voice 2: designate that as the area

[0:44:37] Voice 2: that would be you

[0:44:38] Trustee Maude: can see actually

[0:44:39] Voice 2: how the Chinese yeah

[0:44:40] Trustee Maude: but let's let's write

[0:44:42] Trustee Maude: the zone so we put the zone in the bylaw even though it's not used anywhere yeah

[0:44:46] Trustee Maude: Then it's parked, and then an applicant basically puts an application in,

[0:44:50] Trustee Maude: and it's basically already there.

[0:44:52] Voice 3: It's already thought through.

[0:44:53] Voice 3: Your conservation is going to park.

[0:44:54] Trustee Maude: It's already set.

[0:44:56] Voice 3: Okay, this is interesting.

[0:44:58] Voice 3: I'll

[0:44:58] Voice 1: have to chat.

[0:44:59] Voice 1: And here's another consideration, because a further option to keep it more

[0:45:06] Voice 1: flexible is to zone for unit numbers, not housing type.

[0:45:11] Voice 1: And

[0:45:11] Voice 3: I don't know

[0:45:11] Voice 1: how that would work.

[0:45:12] Voice 1: well so this so the

[0:45:14] Voice 3: way we resolve this is we're calling we're talking we're calling it small

[0:45:18] Voice 3: clustered housing yeah which is whatever and that's what it's going to be on denman like a

[0:45:24] Voice 3: denman cob homes whatever whatever whatever non-building permit things we can

[0:45:29] Voice 3: call it the

[0:45:29] Voice 3: same thing but the you know it would be the building permit things or whatever so you're

[0:45:34] Voice 1: not necessarily zoning a manufactured tiny no no no

[0:45:36] Voice 1: it's a small it would be a small unit

[0:45:40] Voice 3: clustered housing at least that's what we've that's what we're playing with in

[0:45:45] Voice 3: terms of the

[0:45:45] Trustee Maude: term but

[0:45:46] Voice 3: I would say

[0:45:46] Trustee Maude: if we agree on that I would suggest that you

[0:45:48] Trustee Maude: should highlight that in your article just saying that if something's being

[0:45:51] Voice 1: yeah the same we're talking

[0:45:53] Voice 1: about we consider that allows you to build or

[0:45:56] Voice 1: bring on or whatever and there's a menu of options

[0:46:01] Voice 3: so but right now what you're

[0:46:03] Voice 3: talking about is considering the ability to rezone for small unit clustered

[0:46:07] Voice 3: housing yeah yeah because

[0:46:11] Trustee Maude: i think that's it puts it out there so we so we we get we get feedback

[0:46:16] Trustee Maude: from the mainland article we also get feedback from the apc and then we walk into in july and

[0:46:21] Trustee Maude: we have an idea that you know is is does anybody have a problem with this yes because because

[0:46:28] Trustee Maude: we don't have a problem with it doesn't mean

[0:46:29] Trustee Maude: there's not a problem yeah

[0:46:30] Trustee Maude: so let's get the

[0:46:31] Trustee Maude: yeah yeah yeah

[0:46:32] Voice 1: well and and invite the community to propose criteria as well do you want that

[0:46:40] Voice 3: or well what we can say is we've used this criteria so that that's why the criteria for

[0:46:45] Voice 3: you to identify to me what the criteria that you want me to look at now is important because

[0:46:49] Voice 3: then i can use that criteria and then we can go back to the community say we've used this

[0:46:53] Voice 3: criteria is

[0:46:54] Voice 5: there other

[0:46:55] Voice 3: and they can say

[0:46:57] Voice 3: well you forgot to you know like there's are we missing

[0:47:00] Voice 3: any criteria that we've evaluated these things on that's important so okay great

[0:47:06] Voice 3: let's keep going

[0:47:07] Voice 3: so so while we were talking about criteria just to like are you so the criteria that i've identified

[0:47:14] Voice 3: here steep slopes freshwater recharge impact sensitive ecosystems archaeological buffers

[0:47:21] Voice 3: uh and the minimum 200 meter setback from the sea that's just capturing a bunch of things as

[0:47:27] Voice 3: your decision okay you're good with that

[0:47:29] Trustee Maude: well the only thing my my only thing i don't have is my

[0:47:32] Trustee Maude: concern over the 200 meter setback because like right now our our residential setback is seven

[0:47:37] Trustee Maude: and a half meters so now we're punching it to 200 that's

[0:47:42] Voice 3: only if you're going to add more right so

[0:47:44] Trustee Maude: whatever's allowed

[0:47:45] Voice 3: is allowed and that's only that's only your criteria for um for if you're

[0:47:50] Voice 3: going to add more flex housing yeah

[0:47:52] Trustee Maude: but i'm not just saying it's that currently yeah

[0:47:54] Voice 3: i know it's

[0:47:55] Trustee Maude: It's that we're making a massive difference in the setback,

[0:47:59] Trustee Maude: which is probably the biggest now in the trust area.

[0:48:02] Trustee Maude: And I just...

[0:48:03] Trustee Maude: But

[0:48:04] Voice 2: we have the smallest setback currently.

[0:48:06] Voice 2: So people that are already here, already have lots,

[0:48:09] Voice 2: have the smallest that there is.

[0:48:11] Voice 2: This is

[0:48:12] Voice 2: for a new construction.

[0:48:14] Voice 2: No,

[0:48:14] Trustee Maude: but I'm just saying that's a huge setback.

[0:48:18] Trustee Maude: Like, for instance, I can speak personally,

[0:48:22] Trustee Maude: my entire property is from the setback.

[0:48:27] Trustee Maude: I'm just thinking about people all the way around.

[0:48:30] Voice 3: But again, this is

[0:48:30] Voice 3: only if you're going to add more units

[0:48:33] Trustee Maude: in those spaces.

[0:48:36] Trustee Maude: I'm not talking about existing.

[0:48:38] Trustee Maude: I'm just saying in the future.

[0:48:39] Voice 2: I wouldn't drill a well down here.

[0:48:40] Voice 2: I don't care how many houses.

[0:48:42] Voice 2: You

[0:48:43] Trustee Maude: can service your property with a well.

[0:48:45] Trustee Maude: It's not for wells.

[0:48:46] Voice 2: This is for

[0:48:47] Voice 2: subdivisions.

[0:48:48] Trustee Maude: So my tiny home can't go within 700 feet.

[0:48:52] Voice 2: That's not what it is.

[0:48:53] Voice 2: Well,

[0:48:54] Trustee Maude: you need to explain it easier.

[0:48:55] Voice 3: It

[0:48:55] Trustee Maude: just says the setback in the C.

[0:48:57] Voice 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[0:48:58] Voice 3: Okay, so what is the intent of this is, this 200 meter?

[0:49:02] Voice 3: This is like you're making some decisions right now to basically pre-zone,

[0:49:08] Voice 3: because that's what the flex housing is zoning,

[0:49:10] Voice 5: to

[0:49:11] Voice 3: allow more units than what's currently allowed.

[0:49:15] Voice 5: It

[0:49:15] Voice 3: doesn't impact the actual setbacks that currently exist

[0:49:20] Voice 3: in terms of where you're going to write.

[0:49:22] Voice 3: it's just a guideline for deciding which properties you should put more homes in or not but

[0:49:27] Trustee Maude: but to me

[0:49:28] Trustee Maude: it's like it's slippery slope when we when we go from seven and a half meters to 200 meters

[0:49:32] Trustee Maude: in this criteria then the next time we do some sort of change it's like well you know we're 200

[0:49:38] Trustee Maude: so and

[0:49:38] Trustee Maude: i'll also and also

[0:49:39] Voice 3: explain where the 200 has come from that's come from um first nations

[0:49:43] Voice 3: So we've heard that 200-meter from two different nations,

[0:49:48] Voice 3: and it's going to look different in different contexts.

[0:49:54] Voice 3: When you look at some of the island's maps and you look at where their arc sites are, the 200-meter setback consideration makes a lot of sense.

[0:50:05] Voice 3: It

[0:50:05] Trustee Maude: does, but the other part of it, too, is when you do any development on the waterfront, you have to have archaeological survey anyhow.

[0:50:13] Trustee Maude: So, you know, it's not like we're enabling rapid development.

[0:50:18] Trustee Maude: You dig a hole.

[0:50:20] Voice 3: Yes, but not

[0:50:20] Voice 3: everybody follows that protocol.

[0:50:23] Voice 3: You get the $100,000 fine.

[0:50:26] Voice 3: Yeah, well, I

[0:50:27] Voice 1: disagree because it's one of the weakest enforced right now.

[0:50:33] Voice 1: And I think it would damage.

[0:50:35] Trustee Maude: Well, you look at that guy at Oak Bay that cost over a million dollars because he dug a foundation.

[0:50:40] Voice 1: But

[0:50:40] Voice 2: let's look at the map.

[0:50:42] Voice 2: Let's focus on the map.

[0:50:43] Voice 2: all of our waterfront is fully developed other than it doesn't really

[0:50:48] Voice 3: me and my

[0:50:49] Voice 2: neighbor yeah

[0:50:50] Voice 2: um but really it doesn't there's nobody on the waterfront including you because you have your

[0:50:56] Voice 2: zoning in place to go ahead and subdivide we're talking about flex housing so where would we move

[0:51:01] Voice 2: flex housing down to here and and suggest that we increase density there without considering

[0:51:07] Voice 2: possibility of saltwater intrusion which we know we have in some areas of the island not everywhere

[0:51:13] Voice 2: because it depends on the criteria but I don't have a problem with the idea of

[0:51:17] Voice 2: you know say I myself am really glad that my well is way up here but

[0:51:21] Trustee Maude: I'm not

[0:51:24] Trustee Maude: particularly talking about sex housing but I'm talking about precedent-setting

[0:51:28] Trustee Maude: because we're

[0:51:29] Voice 2: saying it's accessible

[0:51:30] Trustee Maude: to have a 200 meter setback

[0:51:32] Voice 2: it's not

[0:51:36] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[0:51:36] Voice 2: it's not suddenly saying that you, these

[0:51:39] Trustee Maude: existing lots, can no longer build.

[0:51:42] Trustee Maude: I don't want a local trust committee six years

[0:51:45] Trustee Maude: from now when something else is coming up saying, well, this is where we've got 200, so let's just expand that 200 to the whole island.

[0:51:53] Trustee Maude: Because I don't think that number is big time.

[0:51:56] Trustee Maude: I've argued

[0:51:57] Voice 3: against changing the 25.

[0:51:59] Voice 3: We could have just said, instead of saying 200, we could have said no, nothing on existing properties.

[0:52:06] Voice 3: none for uh uh waterfront properties wouldn't

[0:52:09] Voice 2: it wouldn't apply and they're not and they're

[0:52:11] Voice 2: not suitable anyways because they're not within the they're not in the core area anyhow so i don't

[0:52:18] Voice 2: see in the future i mean the future some future

[0:52:21] Trustee Maude: trust committee could

[0:52:22] Voice 2: just take away all yeah if

[0:52:23] Trustee Maude: we said flex housing it's not applicable to waterfront properties i just i'm just worried

[0:52:29] Trustee Maude: worried about the 200. So

[0:52:30] Voice 1: that's what I'll add here. No flex. I would put that to your

[0:52:36] Voice 1: APC. I think it's important to have the conversation about the different values of waterfront property

[0:52:47] Voice 5: because

[0:52:48] Voice 1: in our land use planning regime, it's valued because it's got views and we've developed

[0:52:54] Voice 1: it that way. And now we

[0:52:55] Voice 1: have a new set of values that we have to consider and the community

[0:52:59] Voice 1: does need to grapple with that.

[0:53:00] Voice 1: It

[0:53:01] Trustee Maude: does, but as Shanine says,

[0:53:03] Trustee Maude: most of our waterfront

[0:53:04] Trustee Maude: is fully developed,

[0:53:06] Trustee Maude: but also all of those lots

[0:53:08] Trustee Maude: will be captured within the 200-meter setback.

[0:53:11] Voice 1: Yeah, I'm not hearing

[0:53:12] Voice 1: a desire to increase flex housing

[0:53:14] Voice 1: on the waterfront.

[0:53:16] Voice 1: So that's the end of the...

[0:53:18] Voice 1: That is

[0:53:18] Voice 1: the end of the discussion.

[0:53:20] Voice 1: Yeah, okay.

[0:53:21] Trustee Maude: The 200 number bothered me,

[0:53:23] Voice 2: but

[0:53:23] Trustee Maude: if we just say not waterfront,

[0:53:25] Trustee Maude: that's fine.

[0:53:25] Voice 2: okay just click clarify what we mean by that yeah take away because

[0:53:34] Voice 1: it's not

[0:53:36] Voice 2: just about the water it's about other so what

[0:53:43] Voice 1: about Gallagher Bay I know that was

[0:53:45] Voice 1: sort of left out but it was the

[0:53:48] Voice 1: requests way back yeah but but

[0:53:50] Voice 2: all those are like

[0:53:50] Trustee Maude: It's like really bad lots.

[0:53:52] Voice 2: Hard to actually see.

[0:53:53] Trustee Maude: Really steep, really.

[0:53:54] Voice 2: There's none that are, you know,

[0:53:56] Voice 2: the one I mentioned belongs to my brother here, which is quite developable, quite flat, all parkland behind there.

[0:54:02] Voice 5: Could be.

[0:54:03] Voice 2: But I think at this point we have more than enough.

[0:54:06] Voice 2: The reality of any of this ever actually happening is unfortunately highly unlikely.

[0:54:11] Voice 2: But at least we've done what we can do to

[0:54:14] Voice 2: open up the doors.

[0:54:15] Voice 5: But

[0:54:16] Voice 2: it's like when we talk about these lots here, all of them are suitable for.

[0:54:20] Voice 2: just because

[0:54:21] Voice 2: of the topography of what they've got

[0:54:23] Voice 3: yeah

[0:54:24] Voice 2: and and and the proximity which

[0:54:27] Voice 5: i think

[0:54:28] Voice 2: is whereas once you come up here you're getting much further away from from what you can you know

[0:54:33] Voice 2: is walkable or bikeable yeah

[0:54:36] Trustee Maude: and the other area is like benefit but it's it's really fully developed

[0:54:41] Trustee Maude: you don't really want to justify that any any more

[0:54:44] Voice 2: than what it is and that's an area that

[0:54:46] Voice 2: struggles with water yeah okay and i mean the same thing could be said about this this would

[0:54:51] Voice 2: not be an area that would you'd want to be adding that extra as it is we're going to end up adding

[0:54:56] Voice 2: secondary suites to those areas which could become a stressor at some point we we are

[0:55:01] Voice 2: how well we're

[0:55:02] Voice 2: going to expand me at some point secondary suites too we've excluded the water districts for now

[0:55:08] Voice 2: but that was one suggestion was that we actually make all of our property we've we all property

[0:55:15] Voice 2: can have a secondary suite except for these water districts but

[0:55:18] Trustee Maude: that's where

[0:55:19] Voice 2: the people you know

[0:55:20] Voice 2: basically that's 90 percent of our land is some

[0:55:23] Voice 2: water districts but

[0:55:24] Trustee Maude: but the beauty of the water

[0:55:27] Trustee Maude: districts so they're improving districts so they can stop

[0:55:30] Voice 2: so

[0:55:31] Trustee Maude: they can say no we won't give you a

[0:55:33] Trustee Maude: hookup for your secondary suite so the the control actually becomes micro local and

[0:55:37] Voice 2: these lots are

[0:55:38] Voice 2: They're all over an acre and a half anyway,

[0:55:41] Voice 2: so they're all legally zoned.

[0:55:42] Voice 2: I'm

[0:55:43] Voice 1: sorry, what are these lots again?

[0:55:45] Voice 2: Oh, those in Mount Park?

[0:55:47] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:55:47] Voice 2: Oh, they're steep.

[0:55:48] Trustee Maude: Yeah, they're steep,

[0:55:50] Voice 2: and there's this zigzaggy road up there.

[0:55:53] Voice 2: So at

[0:55:53] Trustee Maude: the bottom of the hill,

[0:55:55] Trustee Maude: there's some village that go down here,

[0:55:57] Trustee Maude: then there's a great big void, which is mountain,

[0:55:59] Trustee Maude: and then you build at the top.

[0:56:01] Voice 2: But

[0:56:01] Trustee Maude: most of those properties,

[0:56:02] Trustee Maude: I would say 75%, 80% of the property is undeveloped.

[0:56:06] Voice 2: Well, yeah, most of

[0:56:07] Trustee Maude: them are at the top.

[0:56:07] Voice 2: Most of

[0:56:08] Voice 2: them are at the top where there's a view.

[0:56:10] Voice 1: So they all have cottages.

[0:56:12] Voice 1: All of them have cottages?

[0:56:14] Voice 1: No.

[0:56:15] Trustee Maude: All of them have houses on top, virtually.

[0:56:18] Voice 1: They're all up here, though.

[0:56:19] Voice 1: Nobody's down below.

[0:56:20] Voice 1: Interesting.

[0:56:21] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[0:56:21] Trustee Maude: But down below is

[0:56:23] Voice 3: where the road access is.

[0:56:24] Voice 3: But there's a road next to it.

[0:56:26] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:56:26] Voice 2: It's a

[0:56:27] Trustee Maude: private road up to

[0:56:28] Voice 2: the radar tower.

[0:56:29] Trustee Maude: I don't know why that's not mapped.

[0:56:31] Voice 2: Well, it is on maps.

[0:56:33] Voice 2: I've seen it.

[0:56:33] Trustee Maude: And the problem with it is it still

[0:56:35] Voice 2: cuts through.

[0:56:36] Voice 2: And so if you actually wanted to, I mean, and all of them have the authority at this point to have a cottage.

[0:56:43] Voice 5: So

[0:56:44] Voice 2: you certainly could add that as part of your flex.

[0:56:46] Voice 2: But there again, you know,

[0:56:48] Voice 2: realistically, I think we focus on because traffic through that area is going to be an ongoing issue because not everybody's going to use the bike trip.

[0:56:58] Voice 2: Especially on a busy, very afternoon.

[0:57:01] Trustee Maude: But it is a good point, you know, is because it's in our capture zone.

[0:57:05] Trustee Maude: nobody's done anything on those lower properties so is it reasonable to

[0:57:09] Trustee Maude: consider those for flex housing well

[0:57:11] Voice 1: and we talked about split zoning but I don't

[0:57:14] Voice 1: know if that's but

[0:57:15] Voice 2: there again this

[0:57:16] Voice 1: area some of the problem is that the access

[0:57:18] Voice 2: to actually would be off Village Bay Road so if you are on Village Bay Road

[0:57:22] Voice 2: looking at

[0:57:23] Voice 2: those Lots I mean so we remember we met with that one family so

[0:57:26] Voice 2: they're over here it becomes more of a challenge to get a road some of them you

[0:57:31] Voice 2: can get a road in onto village bay road without a lot of trouble but they're not you know they're

[0:57:37] Voice 2: all hillside yeah

[0:57:38] Trustee Maude: what would demand is having a frontage road yeah

[0:57:41] Voice 2: yeah so i think at this point

[0:57:42] Voice 2: we have more than enough area

[0:57:44] Trustee Maude: that we've considered

[0:57:45] Voice 2: without i think if somebody here and certainly you

[0:57:48] Voice 2: know i've talked to a few of them over the years if one wanted to pursue it but none of them have

[0:57:52] Voice 2: no what

[0:57:54] Voice 1: about these

[0:57:55] Voice 2: bigger acreages in here that are agricultural a lot of this is an acre but

[0:57:59] Voice 2: they're agricultural that's the eggs on the in there and pretty

[0:58:05] Trustee Maude: far away from

[0:58:05] Trustee Maude: everything because you have to go like down there around all the way around so

[0:58:09] Trustee Maude: yeah it's not a hop skip and a jump oh I'm

[0:58:13] Voice 1: thinking more about fairy because

[0:58:15] Trustee Maude: it's

[0:58:15] Voice 1: close to the ferry does it need to be close to but these

[0:58:18] Trustee Maude: well we were

[0:58:19] Trustee Maude: thinking about the amenities to the island

[0:58:20] Voice 2: the groceries all that

[0:58:21] Voice 2: the health

[0:58:23] Voice 2: center the school they're all quite removed from this area and

[0:58:26] Voice 1: most of them

[0:58:28] Voice 2: can have cottages.

[0:58:30] Voice 1: I think of the ferry as like

[0:58:32] Voice 1: the semi-fail.

[0:58:34] Voice 1: Miner's

[0:58:35] Voice 2: Faye is the...

[0:58:38] Voice 1: Yeah, it's very close.

[0:58:39] Voice 2: We went through a whole commercial

[0:58:41] Voice 2: review where we focused

[0:58:42] Voice 2: the area as a commercial core.

[0:58:44] Trustee Maude: Basically, we've

[0:58:46] Trustee Maude: identified a pretty generous amount of laws.

[0:58:50] Trustee Maude: As you say,

[0:58:51] Trustee Maude: the uptake is going to be huge

[0:58:53] Trustee Maude: because secondary suites, how many

[0:58:54] Trustee Maude: have been built?

[0:58:55] Voice 2: One, Gallagher Bay, which is a B&B

[0:58:58] Voice 2: because you know that's the next issue we have is as soon as you create this then how do we

[0:59:02] Voice 2: control well

[0:59:03] Voice 1: the game changer could honestly be those manufactured tiny homes

[0:59:07] Voice 1: because the crd did express interest um if that gets well this is so

[0:59:14] Voice 3: also with this

[0:59:14] Voice 3: clustered uh housing small housing you could have housing agreements um if

[0:59:20] Voice 3: you've got up to

[0:59:21] Voice 3: however many units as soon as you get beyond the flex housing so it's not realistic to have

[0:59:26] Voice 3: housing agreements on as we've discussed before on private

[0:59:29] Trustee Maude: lives when you've got one two three

[0:59:31] Trustee Maude: four with the flex housing can we say within the zoning that we're going to do saying you cannot

[0:59:36] Trustee Maude: do short-term vacation rent oh

[0:59:38] Voice 3: well you you yeah we've already got that specified you can only i

[0:59:42] Voice 3: mean i think we've only got i think what we've got is you can have one unit because that's you can

[0:59:46] Voice 3: you're allowed to have your your cottage but

[0:59:48] Trustee Maude: what i'm saying is like no is it if we if we do the

[0:59:52] Trustee Maude: flexible housing. You could

[0:59:54] Trustee Maude: say. So

[0:59:55] Voice 3: in your bylaw right now, I think the bylaw

[1:00:00] Voice 3: it does say one unit,

[1:00:02] Trustee Maude: but you could-

[1:00:03] Trustee Maude: But if you're taking

[1:00:03] Trustee Maude: the flex housing box, no.

[1:00:05] Voice 3: Yeah, okay.

[1:00:06] Trustee Maude: Because we're trying to create housing,

[1:00:08] Trustee Maude: not revenue opportunity.

[1:00:10] Voice 2: Yeah, no, that would give us

[1:00:12] Voice 3: to be our flex housing.

[1:00:15] Voice 3: Okay, yeah.

[1:00:15] Voice 3: And

[1:00:16] Voice 2: there's nothing like the secondary suite.

[1:00:17] Voice 2: So it was laid out on a map.

[1:00:19] Voice 2: This is gonna be on a map.

[1:00:21] Voice 2: So in 10 years, if it wants to add more areas,

[1:00:24] Voice 2: then it's easy to do.

[1:00:26] Voice 2: So that, because the language is already in place.

[1:00:29] Voice 2: so yeah yeah yeah yeah good all

[1:00:32] Voice 3: righty okay so i think i think what we got here is that you want

[1:00:37] Voice 3: to add these here yes right these ones here um and then you want uh like a draft um zoning or

[1:00:50] Voice 3: zoning a small unit and then consideration of a zoning designation for

[1:01:07] Voice 3: that type in the OCP

[1:01:09] Voice 3: okay so maybe let's have a resolution to add the designation

[1:01:19] Voice 3: of the land use designation for clustered small housing small clustered housing next to I'll have

[1:01:30] Voice 3: to explore no actually no it would be residential we wouldn't need a specific designation but but

[1:01:35] Voice 3: this but the let me look I have to think about how we would refer specifically to that in the

[1:01:41] Voice 3: OCP because you

[1:01:41] Voice 3: only want it to be happening in those areas nowhere else because

[1:01:46] Trustee Maude: we did that with

[1:01:47] Trustee Maude: With Miner's Bay, we did that pre and the OCP for commercial.

[1:01:51] Voice 3: So it would

[1:01:51] Voice 3: be some sort of similar wording to that.

[1:01:53] Trustee Maude: It would be

[1:01:53] Voice 3: something like that.

[1:01:53] Voice 3: So explore a designation for small unit clustered housing for the OCP

[1:02:00] Voice 3: and to develop a model zone

[1:02:07] Voice 2: for the…

[1:02:10] Voice 2: So when you look at the maps, I still think there's nothing wrong

[1:02:13] Voice 2: with basically all of that being within that criteria.

[1:02:16] Voice 2: within the and i think if you

[1:02:19] Voice 1: look at the

[1:02:19] Voice 2: maps and the steep slopes and all of that because i

[1:02:22] Voice 2: think about these lots here next to the fire hall are quite quite level they're all so

[1:02:29] Voice 3: so this is my

[1:02:31] Voice 3: question so what if somebody over here decided oh or no say appropriate lot i don't hear her

[1:02:37] Voice 3: wherever just for conversation um says oh or i'd like to be yeah but we like you really want to say

[1:02:45] Voice 3: note sorry

[1:02:45] Voice 2: like only here right no i well i think it should be this whole particular area because we

[1:02:50] Voice 2: know that

[1:02:50] Voice 1: it has water these

[1:02:52] Voice 2: people here that's quite steep right right we've been up those

[1:02:56] Voice 2: drawings so you have your

[1:02:57] Voice 2: question so you'll know from a map when you look at the maps you'll see

[1:03:00] Voice 2: which and if you can write that into your criteria this is what i'm so this is the question don't

[1:03:06] Voice 2: would have much of a slope yeah so the question

[1:03:08] Voice 3: is though like you you could so designating the

[1:03:15] Voice 3: area without doing like like just very specifically saying this is the area that right that like

[1:03:20] Voice 3: that's one approach but another approach is to be very clear about the criteria and if you're

[1:03:24] Voice 3: going to apply for rezoning you have to meet these criteria and one of your criteria could

[1:03:28] Voice 3: could be that it's within the kilometer of the you know i

[1:03:33] Trustee Maude: mean that's a better

[1:03:34] Voice 3: way to do it

[1:03:35] Voice 3: because otherwise we're getting a little bit like picky yeah yeah

[1:03:38] Voice 3: yeah i

[1:03:39] Voice 3: don't know come back so

[1:03:40] Trustee Maude: instead of cherry picking it so we just so i think

[1:03:42] Voice 3: i think it so so it sounds like you want to go

[1:03:44] Voice 3: that in that direction so that in

[1:03:46] Voice 3: that case that it would be to i like clearly like identify

[1:03:49] Voice 3: criteria for uh for rezoning for this particular housing and then for trying and then we can

[1:03:55] Voice 2: and then

[1:03:59] Trustee Maude: the the checkpoint is that they apply for the rezoning and at that point either

[1:04:03] Trustee Maude: we feel

[1:04:04] Trustee Maude: suitable or not that's

[1:04:05] Voice 3: sort of what you already have yeah so i guess the the thing the the thing

[1:04:09] Voice 3: that you're asking now is you'd like to see a model which is actually

[1:04:12] Voice 3: a badass that could be

[1:04:14] Voice 3: also helpful for denmin and gabriel yeah because

[1:04:18] Trustee Maude: because that's i think we just have that parked

[1:04:20] Trustee Maude: in there and if somebody wants to tick that

[1:04:22] Voice 3: box i'm not exactly sure where it would live i'd have

[1:04:25] Voice 3: to figure that out

[1:04:26] Trustee Maude: in the zoning boiler well

[1:04:28] Voice 3: yeah yeah but

[1:04:29] Trustee Maude: it's just not it's not it's not

[1:04:30] Trustee Maude: no it's not i

[1:04:31] Voice 3: guess yeah you just create the zone and then when somebody wants to yeah yeah good

[1:04:34] Voice 3: point okay

[1:04:35] Voice 1: so directing staff to explore a land use designation for small clustered dwelling units

[1:04:42] Voice 1: on appropriate no

[1:04:43] Voice 3: so we're not exploring the

[1:04:44] Voice 3: designation we don't need to do that because

[1:04:46] Voice 3: we already have the criteria okay so

[1:04:48] Voice 3: we review the criteria review

[1:04:51] Voice 2: that's a criteria that we

[1:04:53] Voice 2: focus on I

[1:04:54] Trustee Maude: really hope somebody does one or

[1:04:57] Voice 1: well small for a smaller unit

[1:05:00] Voice 1: clustered housing. Is the economic

[1:05:01] Voice 1: cost of sewage treatment and lots

[1:05:04] Voice 1: for a model zone?

[1:05:06] Voice 3: No just

[1:05:07] Voice 3: say that's enough because appropriate lots would be the criteria

[1:05:10] Voice 3: right would define what's appropriate and

[1:05:13] Voice 1: then

[1:05:13] Voice 3: the other one is to develop a

[1:05:15] Voice 3: model zone. So your

[1:05:20] Trustee Maude: concept is just that one kilometer

[1:05:26] Voice 3: It feels like, because you're not putting your green dots anywhere else, it feels like

[1:05:30] Voice 3: that's an appropriate measure in terms of location.

[1:05:34] Trustee Maude: So I would just say, in your article, I would somehow verbalize that a little bit, so people

[1:05:37] Trustee Maude: understand what we're talking about.

[1:05:39] Voice 3: Right.

[1:05:40] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:05:40] Trustee Maude: What

[1:05:40] Voice 3: this clustered, yeah.

[1:05:43] Trustee Maude: Because I

[1:05:43] Trustee Maude: said, if somebody did it, it would be a game changer for the island.

[1:05:49] Trustee Maude: But I

[1:05:50] Trustee Maude: just like, I don't know who would do it.

[1:05:51] Voice 2: Well, and that was part of the conversation.

[1:05:53] Voice 2: here it was well and

[1:05:55] Trustee Maude: then what that's

[1:05:55] Voice 2: the other but this conversation is

[1:05:57] Voice 2: having to be an amenity

[1:05:58] Voice 2: rezoning anyways you could do anything there so

[1:06:01] Voice 3: this is the uh so so this is the other question

[1:06:04] Voice 3: here like you could and we've talked about this right this is rural right now so you could so

[1:06:11] Voice 3: being rural it's not subdivided right but if you change it's all settlement residential here

[1:06:18] Voice 3: here so if

[1:06:20] Voice 2: you change that

[1:06:20] Voice 3: you could just change it to settlement residential but

[1:06:23] Voice 2: then you're not

[1:06:23] Voice 2: getting it we won't get any benefit that's the downside somebody will just chop it up and yeah

[1:06:28] Voice 2: and that's why we're kind of just if

[1:06:30] Voice 3: you have to go through

[1:06:30] Voice 2: a rezoning just like the housing

[1:06:33] Voice 5: the

[1:06:34] Voice 2: housing society right and that's what we talked basically talked about you know

[1:06:38] Voice 2: yeah how

[1:06:38] Voice 2: much you want to keep how much can community end up with because then you'd be

[1:06:43] Voice 2: guaranteed to get something out of that yeah so where's none of these we're not offering any kind

[1:06:46] Voice 2: kind of subdivision potential so we're forcing people to either become the entrepreneur or have

[1:06:52] Voice 2: a co-op or have a non-profit take the property so it's not unless you're enterprising enough to

[1:06:58] Voice 2: create your own little flustered housing development which highly unlikely but you never know and so

[1:07:05] Voice 1: are we talking about securing these with a housing agreement well

[1:07:08] Voice 3: that would be part of that's part

[1:07:10] Voice 3: of the um rezoning criteria so

[1:07:13] Voice 1: you'll write that list

[1:07:14] Voice 3: it's already in there you've already agreed

[1:07:20] Voice 3: either you have or denman has

[1:07:21] Voice 3: but if you have not i will i'm quite sure that it's the same language

[1:07:27] Voice 3: but that is the intent i will um i will double check

[1:07:34] Voice 3: check the clustered small criteria yeah i'm pretty sure you've got the criteria in there

[1:07:41] Voice 3: and the criteria does um say that there need to be a housing agreement

[1:07:47] Voice 5: And one

[1:07:47] Voice 2: of the advantages, these are good sized properties that could easily accommodate

[1:07:54] Voice 2: clustered housing without impacting it.

[1:07:55] Voice 1: And have water.

[1:07:56] Voice 1: And the location is really great.

[1:07:59] Voice 1: The

[1:07:59] Voice 2: well logs were 50 gallons.

[1:08:04] Voice 3: And that's more realistic to have many people than, you know, Miles Bay area here.

[1:08:09] Voice 3: but

[1:08:10] Trustee Maude: the thing is it's like because the place has been totally clear-cut but now

[1:08:15] Trustee Maude: the regrowth the forest totally screened like it's really so you could do a

[1:08:20] Trustee Maude: massive amount in there and nobody ever see it oh it's really it's really it's

[1:08:27] Trustee Maude: very private really they're really cool lots mm-hmm and

[1:08:30] Trustee Maude: they all sold like for

[1:08:31] Trustee Maude: $300,000 apiece well

[1:08:33] Voice 2: that was 30 years ago they didn't

[1:08:35] Voice 2: find very fast I don't

[1:08:36] Trustee Maude: know people

[1:08:37] Voice 2: will see people in general don't want big

[1:08:39] Voice 2: property it's a lot of work but I just

[1:08:49] Trustee Maude: I just think it's this

[1:08:51] Voice 2: is all very

[1:08:51] Voice 2: positive

[1:08:51] Trustee Maude: stuff and it's just you know the big problem is finding the uptake

[1:08:57] Trustee Maude: and I just

[1:08:57] Trustee Maude: that's my big concern yeah I

[1:08:59] Voice 1: think having a map sort of on that yeah

[1:09:02] Voice 1: Yeah, on that advert or the article.

[1:09:05] Voice 1: Maybe

[1:09:05] Voice 3: there's people who want to trade bots.

[1:09:08] Voice 3: I'll trade you if you want to.

[1:09:11] Voice 3: Atlas.

[1:09:12] Voice 3: You can do across islands, too.

[1:09:14] Voice 3: Well, they won't let us do this here.

[1:09:17] Voice 3: Come on over.

[1:09:20] Voice 3: That's cool.

[1:09:21] Voice 3: Yeah, okay.

[1:09:22] Voice 3: Yeah, that's doable.

[1:09:25] Voice 1: Awesome.

[1:09:26] Voice 3: All right, so we're taking this off the list for good.

[1:09:30] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:09:30] Voice 1: I think that makes sense.

[1:09:32] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:09:32] Voice 3: um and then yeah okay okay

[1:09:35] Voice 2: anything else no

[1:09:37] Voice 2: no no they're useful

[1:09:39] Voice 2: hey well because and especially

[1:09:41] Voice 2: the color so they've said for the main line of the color and then

[1:09:45] Voice 2: having the size that you can

[1:09:46] Voice 2: see because when we were doing that

[1:09:48] Voice 3: so for the main liner we'll add these yes

[1:09:50] Voice 2: please okay okay

[1:09:52] Voice 2: no it's

[1:09:54] Trustee Maude: it's it's really good it's

[1:09:56] Voice 2: coming together nicely yes yeah absolutely so

[1:10:01] Voice 2: So we

[1:10:02] Trustee Maude: have to make it work.

[1:10:04] Voice 3: You guys had the gap with the review of the housing crisis.

[1:10:11] Voice 2: We had the time.

[1:10:15] Voice 3: But it's good.

[1:10:16] Voice 3: Actually, if you have friends in there, they'll be able to learn a lot.

[1:10:22] Voice 2: Well, if anything is in there, we see people talk about clusters of positions

[1:10:27] Voice 2: and like the 30 years of you're going to do.

[1:10:32] Voice 2: So

[1:10:33] Voice 1: do you need that resolution then?

[1:10:36] Voice 2: Yeah, there's a few resolutions there.

[1:10:40] Voice 2: Yeah,

[1:10:41] Voice 1: so I sent it to Lisa.

[1:10:43] Voice 1: The main resolution is to accept review criteria for small unit clustered dwellings on appropriate loss.

[1:10:51] Voice 1: And then the second one is to develop a model zone for small unit clustered dwellings.

[1:10:57] Trustee Maude: So moved.

[1:10:58] Trustee Maude: Aha,

[1:10:59] Voice 1: you seconded.

[1:11:00] Voice 1: after okay so uh those the first one moved by uh trustee mott rejected by trustee dodds

[1:11:07] Voice 1: any discussion no all those in favor that is carried and the second one

[1:11:16] Voice 1: main

[1:11:16] Voice 2: island ltc direct staff to review no sorry oh

[1:11:20] Voice 2: and to develop a model zone a model zoning

[1:11:27] Voice 2: A model zone for small unit clustered dwellings.

[1:11:31] Voice 2: Nice terminology.

[1:11:33] Voice 1: Do we have a seconder? Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[1:11:37] Voice 1: That is carried.

[1:11:39] Trustee Maude: Did you want to reach out to Warren or David?

[1:11:43] Trustee Maude: Oh,

[1:11:44] Voice 3: was I not in there? Oh, yes, we're way

[1:11:45] Voice 3: ahead of time.

[1:11:48] Voice 1: That language is probably not white

[1:11:50] Voice 1: in here, but it's almost there. We've

[1:11:52] Voice 1: been moving towards it for a long time.

[1:11:54] Voice 1: Interesting. Cool. And then we've got a few resolutions,

[1:12:00] Voice 2: do we? Do we want to, um, the mainline article, the article, do we need anything?

[1:12:04] Voice 2: as amended yeah so can i just ask um i kind of i just felt like the swimming pool things didn't

[1:12:14] Voice 2: really belong in there okay i just like it's all it's only in there it's only in there because

[1:12:20] Voice 2: it's related to water use right right no and i get that and i also in my other question and

[1:12:26] Voice 2: and it's not that i don't support that you shouldn't be pumping water out of your well

[1:12:30] Voice 2: into your swimming pool um

[1:12:31] Voice 2: but i also felt like how would we how would we enforce that so if i go

[1:12:37] Voice 2: out and dig up if i go and put a swimming pool in my property how almost everybody that does on the

[1:12:43] Voice 2: island has the water trucked in yeah so but

[1:12:46] Voice 2: how would we enforce that i mean it makes sense it is

[1:12:48] Voice 2: a challenging one to yeah yeah i just think we better not have it um because i don't know that

[1:12:55] Voice 2: we can enforce it and I think that in general I don't know I don't know what

[1:13:01] Voice 2: happened down it's been totems with their well or their pond best or their

[1:13:05] Voice 2: swimming pool I

[1:13:06] Trustee Maude: think we do so hard oh

[1:13:07] Voice 2: could be could most I remember I'm

[1:13:09] Trustee Maude: telling me something okay

[1:13:10] Voice 2: but yeah we don't have a lot of swimming pools and I

[1:13:12] Voice 2: just think it's just doesn't fit into housing definitely fits into environment

[1:13:18] Voice 2: if we wanted to add something in the OCP to say you we encourage potential

[1:13:23] Voice 2: potential swimming pool owners to right more of a uh but

[1:13:28] Trustee Maude: you want to take it out of the article or

[1:13:30] Trustee Maude: out of the project out

[1:13:31] Voice 2: of the article too because i just don't think it fits but i realized we were

[1:13:35] Voice 2: talking about subject but subdivision would be part like cisterns is part of building and this

[1:13:40] Voice 2: flex housing subdivision could be part of this too but swimming pools should not be part of flex

[1:13:47] Voice 2: housing oh

[1:13:48] Voice 3: the so the yeah the article was just about the article that part of the article is

[1:13:52] Voice 3: saying these are all the things that are already in our you know the bylaws not the bylaw and the

[1:14:00] Voice 3: project's not just about flex housing it's right it's including all of these other things but

[1:14:04] Voice 3: they're all related to housing yeah so that's

[1:14:06] Voice 3: the question is really whether you want to just take

[1:14:08] Voice 3: that out of the project i

[1:14:10] Voice 2: think we should just take it out to get out of the project this doesn't

[1:14:13] Voice 2: feel comfortable

[1:14:13] Voice 9: okay so

[1:14:20] Voice 3: do i think that maybe should be a resolution okay well but if we put

[1:14:26] Trustee Maude: a statement in the ocp about it like it is it states intent but it just but we but we're not

[1:14:37] Trustee Maude: doing any zoning changes prohibiting all zones or anything we're just saying this

[1:14:43] Voice 2: is all still

[1:14:44] Voice 2: talking about sex housing i just felt the two were uncomfortable with putting it somewhere else yeah

[1:14:49] Voice 2: no problem yeah so i

[1:14:52] Trustee Maude: just say in this project

[1:14:53] Voice 2: if

[1:14:54] Trustee Maude: we embrace the thought if we just do it as

[1:14:57] Trustee Maude: part of the OCP the OCP amendments don't do anything in the zoning

[1:15:02] Voice 5: then it's more

[1:15:04] Trustee Maude: of a

[1:15:05] Voice 3: statement

[1:15:06] Trustee Maude: than a than an enforcement issue so is that that's

[1:15:10] Voice 3: where it is right now in the OCP so we could just take it out of the article

[1:15:15] Voice 3: not to yeah yeah

[1:15:16] Voice 2: yeah even that yeah

[1:15:18] Trustee Maude: and then I think we can pull it later on

[1:15:21] Trustee Maude: yeah but

[1:15:22] Trustee Maude: did but I think maybe some wording in the OCP I think kind of

[1:15:25] Trustee Maude: works

[1:15:25] Voice 3: yeah okay

[1:15:27] Trustee Maude: okay

[1:15:28] Voice 3: so so we're just going to pull it from the article so that's going to be

[1:15:32] Voice 3: part of your as amended okay so

[1:15:35] Voice 2: the motion is that the main island local trust committee approved

[1:15:39] Voice 2: the draft mainliner article as amended related to flexible housing zoning great

[1:15:48] Voice 1: any discussion all those in favor that is carried

[1:15:58] Voice 1: Well,

[1:15:59] Trustee Maude: it's just that the first bullet would be waterfront properties.

[1:16:02] Voice 1: Yeah.

[1:16:04] Voice 2: Sittability.

[1:16:05] Voice 2: Yes.

[1:16:07] Voice 2: Maybe how to use it when, so use the following criteria.

[1:16:13] Voice 2: So that's not waterfront,

[1:16:15] Voice 1: say

[1:16:16] Voice 2: not waterfront, ignore that too.

[1:16:18] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:16:18] Voice 2: That makes sense to me.

[1:16:20] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:16:22] Voice 2: Not waterfront.

[1:16:24] Voice 5: okay but

[1:16:30] Voice 2: yeah the rest don't fit in so move that the main island local trust committee

[1:16:34] Voice 2: request staff to use the following criteria when evaluating the suitability of a property

[1:16:39] Voice 2: for flexible housing zoning consideration of not water not being on waterfront archaeological areas

[1:16:47] Voice 2: and buffers sensitive ecosystems fresh fresh water recharge impact and steep slope hazards

[1:16:56] Voice 1: Great. So moved. Seconder? Trustee Mild? Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[1:17:04] Voice 1: That is carried. We're making great progress. Thank you for your work.

[1:17:08] Trustee Maude: Chris is still smiling.

[1:17:10] Voice 1: Still with us. I think that's the great success of this LTC.

[1:17:14] Voice 1: You've retained your planner and you're making progress on housing. Yay! Now it's up to the

[1:17:21] Voice 1: community come forward and so you got the CIM for housing oh

[1:17:26] Voice 3: not the CIM no thank

[1:17:27] Voice 3: you we got the APC

[1:17:28] Voice 3: oh no I don't

[1:17:30] Voice 3: get anything oh

[1:17:31] Voice 2: I move that we refer the um what it's called refer the

[1:17:37] Voice 2: relevant uh

[1:17:39] Voice 3: yeah relevant um reports staff of course related to the housing project

[1:17:43] Voice 3: yeah to our APC

[1:17:46] Voice 2: so

[1:17:47] Voice 1: that the main local trust committee request staff to refer relevant housing

[1:17:51] Voice 1: reports and minutes I would even add

[1:17:53] Voice 2: minutes to

[1:17:55] Voice 1: the APC for

[1:17:57] Voice 5: comment but comments

[1:17:58] Voice 2: um and then we

[1:18:00] Voice 2: did specify what some of those things I haven't got them written down here oh yeah talk about

[1:18:06] Voice 2: what some of the things

[1:18:07] Voice 3: right yeah I wrote them down um so to specify uh or with with particular

[1:18:12] Voice 3: focus on RVs, flex housing location,

[1:18:20] Voice 2: expanding

[1:18:22] Voice 3: secondary suites to water districts, and floor

[1:18:27] Voice 3: area maximums. Those are the ones I've got.

[1:18:30] Trustee Maude: But also the village, I think, should be...

[1:18:32] Voice 3: The village?

[1:18:34] Trustee Maude: The clustered...

[1:18:35] Trustee Maude: Oh

[1:18:36] Voice 3: yeah, the clustered dwellings.

[1:18:39] Voice 1: Because

[1:18:40] Trustee Maude: it's a whole new concept.

[1:18:42] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[1:18:42] Voice 1: the potential for model zone for clustered college.

[1:18:45] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:18:45] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:18:46] Voice 1: Yep.

[1:18:47] Voice 1: Because

[1:18:47] Trustee Maude: I think getting that honest feedback allows us to have a really good process going forward.

[1:18:53] Voice 1: Great.

[1:18:55] Voice 1: So, Lisa, sorry, did you catch that, that housing reports will be referred to the APC for comment?

[1:19:05] Voice 8: Yes, I'll read it back.

[1:19:07] Voice 8: that main island local trust committee request staff or for relevant staff reports and minutes

[1:19:12] Voice 8: related to the housing project to the advisory planning commission for comment with particular

[1:19:17] Voice 8: focus on rvs flexible housing locations expanding secondary suites to water districts

[1:19:23] Voice 8: floria maximums and potential for model zone for clustered dwellings whoa

[1:19:29] Voice 1: So, mic drop, that was fabulous.

[1:19:33] Voice 1: Thank you, Lisa.

[1:19:34] Voice 1: Don't

[1:19:34] Trustee Maude: drop the mic, it's expensive.

[1:19:36] Voice 1: Do you have a seconder?

[1:19:36] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:19:37] Voice 1: And all those in favor?

[1:19:39] Voice 1: That is carried.

[1:19:41] Voice 1: Wonderful.

[1:19:41] Voice 1: And we have one more about scheduling the CIM.

[1:19:46] Voice 4: Where is Congress?

[1:19:48] Voice 2: July 28th.

[1:19:50] Voice 2: So, I move that we schedule our community information meeting for July 26th at the Agricultural

[1:19:56] Voice 2: whole main island prior to our regular meeting prior no when we have it prior to our regular

[1:20:03] Voice 2: meeting well i don't know yeah you can have it better because then we can get comments

[1:20:09] Voice 2: all

[1:20:10] Voice 1: right

[1:20:16] Voice 2: so

[1:20:22] Voice 1: the main local trust committee schedule our staff schedule a community

[1:20:26] Voice 1: information meeting for july july the

[1:20:30] Voice 1: 26th

[1:20:31] Voice 2: 26th prior to the regular ltc exactly okay

[1:20:36] Voice 1: seconder thank you uh all those in favor that is carried lisa that's okay

[1:20:44] Voice 1: we've got to get

[1:20:45] Trustee Maude: permission from the teacher say

[1:20:47] Voice 8: that again sorry i've got it thanks thank you

[1:20:51] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:20:52] Voice 8: Thanks.

[1:20:53] Voice 8: All right.

[1:20:54] Voice 2: Amazing.

[1:20:56] Voice 2: And I was going to say, if we schedule like an hour and a half, you know,

[1:20:59] Voice 2: three o'clock and then make sure our business meeting doesn't have a whole

[1:21:03] Voice 2: lot of conflict, which it shouldn't be fine.

[1:21:05] Voice 5: I think it's going to be fine.

[1:21:10] Trustee Maude: Oh, my goodness.

[1:21:12] Voice 1: Interruption.

[1:21:13] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:21:15] Voice 1: So does that conclude our work on the housing project for today?

[1:21:19] Voice 1: Housing review.

[1:21:23] Voice 1: Okay. We've got our active projects and future projects report. Any comments there?

[1:21:50] Voice 1: I really have nothing to report other than we've got a meeting tomorrow.

[1:21:56] Voice 1: Okay, so Chair's report, I can briefly report that, well, the big news is the Islands Trust or Trust Council has received a response from the province in responding to its request for a legislative review.

[1:22:20] Voice 1: and it looks like that's going to be on the agenda for June Trust Council

[1:22:26] Voice 1: meeting which would be on Salt Spring Island I think that'll be a lively

[1:22:31] Voice 1: debate I think it's also going to be on the agenda are at the committee of the

[1:22:38] Voice 1: whole we discussed the governance review and prioritized or sort of prioritize

[1:22:43] Voice 1: some recommendations did you hear that that was going to be brought to Trust

[1:22:48] Voice 1: Council in June as well

[1:22:50] Trustee Maude: that's my expectation right okay I don't know if

[1:22:54] Trustee Maude: it was explicit yeah

[1:22:56] Voice 1: we haven't seen the agenda yet but I

[1:22:58] Voice 1: think it's that's the

[1:23:00] Voice 1: intent you and I have attended many several meetings of Trust Programs

[1:23:06] Voice 1: Committee to continue work on the policy statement another one coming up on

[1:23:11] Voice 1: Thursday this week we both attended a protocol meeting our annual protocol

[1:23:18] Voice 1: meeting with bowen island municipality i was able to go in person with chair patrick never been to

[1:23:24] Voice 1: bowen before oh so i was like i'm going to have to go see this place and do you know what i noticed

[1:23:29] Voice 1: there's so many young families when there's children everywhere it's like a it's like a

[1:23:35] Voice 1: booming little it's a suburb but it wasn't what i expected and um yeah they've just opened their

[1:23:45] Voice 1: new community uh center the facility is absolutely beautiful and uh and so i think their council

[1:23:52] Voice 1: chambers i mean it was just the first month that had been open so it was really lovely to meet um

[1:23:59] Voice 1: there in person and they're doing just great work they've they're just starting an ocp review as

[1:24:05] Voice 1: well uh they're um they've got a great website on it it's the engagement is is wonderful they seem

[1:24:12] Voice 1: to do things very very well so it was a lovely meeting

[1:24:17] Voice 1: might be the answer

[1:24:22] Voice 1: if you're not close to Vancouver and no choice and your taxpayer base can

[1:24:27] Voice 1: can finance it

[1:24:28] Voice 2: maybe yes and that's partly why they have more families it's

[1:24:32] Voice 2: quite a bit less expensive on going for property

[1:24:34] Voice 2: than West Van yes so that's well anything compared to

[1:24:38] Voice 2: but

[1:24:39] Trustee Maude: there is a lot of money on that island well thank you you look

[1:24:43] Trustee Maude: roger curtis oh my 30

[1:24:45] Trustee Maude: million dollars in two weeks

[1:24:47] Voice 1: um so and i did want to share this isn't really executive committee stuff but the

[1:24:53] Voice 1: so narissa of course you're familiar with this but on gabriela island we've been

[1:24:58] Voice 1: staff have been working on the freshwater footprint so developing the methodology

[1:25:03] Voice 1: um to understand the water balance we had one community information meeting a webinar

[1:25:07] Voice 1: webinar with provincial staff or people from the province who are explaining how a community

[1:25:16] Voice 1: monitoring network works and the different tools to monitor water usage. I highly recommend

[1:25:24] Voice 1: watching that webinar. There was a number of different presenters and they really explained

[1:25:30] Voice 1: the project well. Everyone in my community is saying, oh my gosh, we haven't seen these maps

[1:25:34] Voice 2: so we

[1:25:34] Voice 1: want more information uh so we're having a second community information meeting this thursday

[1:25:39] Voice 1: in person but also you can sign up online if you want to watch it and then that info will be brought

[1:25:44] Voice 1: back to the ltc so that is the sort of supporting project for our ocp review but it's also to set the

[1:25:53] Voice 1: develop the methodology for that fresh water footprint for the whole trust area so

[1:25:58] Voice 1: this fresh water work is continuing and it's very exciting everyone i gave you those right

[1:26:02] Voice 1: yes well it's all they're talking about is water of course um because we don't have water districts

[1:26:08] Voice 1: we don't have any everything well it's a very very different system

[1:26:12] Voice 2: here you notice the science

[1:26:14] Voice 2: there's no water

[1:26:15] Voice 2: there's no management yeah exactly uh

[1:26:19] Voice 1: and then what else is coming up

[1:26:21] Voice 1: am i missing anything no trust so it's not just trust council is very close yeah very very close

[1:26:28] Voice 1: uh yeah and i serve on it's just so many committees i'm getting a

[1:26:34] Voice 1: little bit regional

[1:26:35] Voice 1: planning committee met and i have a little bit of a concern so i've actually drafted an rfd i don't

[1:26:42] Voice 1: know if it'll get in for this trust council but remember the housing strategic action plan that

[1:26:49] Voice 1: we approved two years ago it has a lot of um really great initiatives well there's some stuff

[1:26:54] Voice 1: that's been you know we can't we don't have time to do this or we don't have the resources to do

[1:26:59] Voice 1: that but what turned out when i looked at trust council's strategic plan we have almost no

[1:27:06] Voice 1: initiatives for housing in our strat plan and yeah and we've got two sort of strange ones that i'm

[1:27:12] Voice 1: like one is for executive committee to do and the other is for trust programs committee there's

[1:27:16] Voice 2: nothing

[1:27:16] Voice 1: for regional planning to do with housing so i'm actually i've been working on rfd to better

[1:27:23] Voice 1: better align like some of those actions we don't want to lose in our strategic housing strategic

[1:27:28] Voice 1: plan like council approved those need to show up in our strat plan and we can keep I understand we

[1:27:35] Voice 1: can amend the strat plan it's not a total loss but they should be at least a little bit aligned

[1:27:40] Voice 1: because that's because otherwise we don't have any direction on housing work for trust council

[1:27:46] Voice 1: going surprising forward to 2028 well it was a it was like a year and a half process right

[1:27:52] Voice 1: creating

[1:27:52] Voice 2: that strategic

[1:27:53] Voice 1: plan was very clunky and i think we missed we just missed it so the

[1:27:58] Voice 1: great work that narissa is doing that main island is

[1:28:00] Voice 1: doing we need to have that supported at more

[1:28:03] Voice 1: than just the local trust committee level there has to be strategic direction from council so

[1:28:08] Voice 1: i'm hoping that's not a lot anyway that's just me um so trustees for your reports no i don't

[1:28:15] Voice 2: i don't have anything i've had a number of

[1:28:17] Voice 2: individual meetings about conversations about

[1:28:21] Voice 2: spring water lodge oh well people people have a notion so anyhow a few private meetings that were

[1:28:28] Voice 2: nothing exciting happening just people looking for information ideas of what they may or may not do

[1:28:34] Voice 2: um so no can't think of anything in the last month

[1:28:37] Voice 5: specific

[1:28:38] Voice 2: to violence trust um i do want

[1:28:41] Voice 2: part of some of the conversations i have with people is this the land trust idea and how could

[1:28:47] Voice 2: Could a local trust committee be in that land trade?

[1:28:50] Voice 2: No.

[1:28:50] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:28:50] Voice 2: And the CRD doesn't want houses.

[1:28:53] Voice 2: Because this is a dilemma that we're having right now where private property owners with residential properties want to leave their property.

[1:29:02] Voice 2: And they're not

[1:29:03] Voice 2: parked type properties.

[1:29:04] Voice 2: These are residential.

[1:29:06] Voice 3: So coming back to the CRD, I did have a conversation with CRD staff.

[1:29:10] Voice 3: And so they're reluctant to say like on a broad level, yes.

[1:29:16] Voice 3: Yes, they said it would be very, very, very site-specific

[1:29:19] Voice 3: because nobody wants to inherit a rotting home.

[1:29:23] Voice 3: It can

[1:29:24] Voice 2: be very costly.

[1:29:25] Voice 2: Okay, okay.

[1:29:26] Voice 2: But that sort of has popped up more and more as some of the land,

[1:29:30] Voice 2: these are usually single homes that are up here.

[1:29:34] Voice 2: I can send you information.

[1:29:37] Voice 1: Gabriela has a community land trust.

[1:29:42] Voice 1: Oh, okay.

[1:29:42] Voice 1: That is specifically, it's a nonprofit society specifically structured to alleviate poverty by supporting affordable housing and farming and da-da-da.

[1:29:55] Voice 1: And so they can accept lands and manage them.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: expectations in the game. So these are residential

[1:30:04] Voice 2: homes that landowners actually have expectations

[1:30:08] Voice 2: for. This isn't bare land for affordable housing or even

[1:30:12] Voice 2: housing that necessarily would be suitable for the community

[1:30:15] Voice 2: to turn. But send that to me. But

[1:30:19] Voice 2: something to think about in the

[1:30:20] Voice 2: future of reaching out to folks who maybe would have something that could be

[1:30:24] Voice 2: suitable. Like what happened with the teachers. That would be ideal if it was actually

[1:30:28] Voice 1: than

[1:30:28] Voice 2: just a house well if it's

[1:30:30] Voice 1: in a state request or or you can get a charitable tax receipt for

[1:30:34] Voice 1: that okay donation plan that's a real incentive but yeah send that

[1:30:39] Voice 2: i will i will give it to the

[1:30:41] Voice 2: opportunity um meeting group that's

[1:30:43] Voice 1: the only way that i

[1:30:44] Voice 2: can okay it

[1:30:45] Trustee Maude: speaks to like again they asked

[1:30:47] Trustee Maude: the province for a review because there are structural things that it would be it would be

[1:30:52] Trustee Maude: nice if we can manage housing agreements yeah it'd

[1:30:54] Trustee Maude: be nice if we could hold properties not

[1:30:56] Trustee Maude: Not necessarily under the Island Trust Conservancy,

[1:30:59] Trustee Maude: but

[1:30:59] Voice 1: to

[1:31:00] Trustee Maude: hold properties.

[1:31:01] Voice 1: But then how much more do we have?

[1:31:03] Voice 1: We don't have capacity.

[1:31:05] Voice 1: We

[1:31:05] Trustee Maude: create the capacity.

[1:31:07] Trustee Maude: I'll

[1:31:07] Voice 1: tell you, managing one property,

[1:31:09] Voice 1: the Conservancy that has a house on it,

[1:31:11] Voice 1: is a host.

[1:31:13] Voice 1: It has created so much challenge.

[1:31:16] Trustee Maude: Because it's not their wheelhouse.

[1:31:17] Trustee Maude: Yeah, it's not.

[1:31:19] Trustee Maude: So if

[1:31:20] Trustee Maude: we were managing properties with homes on them,

[1:31:23] Trustee Maude: It would

[1:31:24] Trustee Maude: be a special unit of the trust.

[1:31:26] Trustee Maude: You would have property managers.

[1:31:28] Trustee Maude: That's their profession.

[1:31:29] Trustee Maude: You can take municipalities to it.

[1:31:31] Trustee Maude: Other local governments do it.

[1:31:33] Trustee Maude: Regional districts do it.

[1:31:34] Voice 2: And this is where people are now coming and they're just assuming that the trust would do this.

[1:31:39] Voice 2: And of course, we don't.

[1:31:40] Voice 2: So send me that and we'll see.

[1:31:42] Voice 2: Anyhow, I've had a number of freezing cold meetings.

[1:31:47] Voice 2: people thinking about what they could do and purchasing some real estate that

[1:31:52] Voice 2: may or may not work for them yeah okay

[1:31:54] Voice 1: anything for your report well

[1:31:58] Trustee Maude: last month as you say is

[1:32:00] Trustee Maude: we've been really busy on the executive level with meetings right there was there was one week

[1:32:06] Trustee Maude: i had like nine or ten meetings it was just it was a crazy week yeah i

[1:32:11] Trustee Maude: think they're trying to

[1:32:11] Trustee Maude: kill us but uh with kindness uh but the um primary with local trust committee is what i've been

[1:32:19] Trustee Maude: getting a feeling a lot of stuff about is bylaw complaints

[1:32:23] Voice 5: there's

[1:32:25] Trustee Maude: a lot of um a couple things

[1:32:27] Trustee Maude: we'll be discussing in canada but it's normally i might have one or two contacts a month

[1:32:34] Trustee Maude: i bet you've had 20 or 30 in the last month like a lot of but i've been on the ferry a lot more

[1:32:40] Trustee Maude: and that's where people tend to you pick us but I'm really surprised a lot more

[1:32:46] Trustee Maude: complaints on bylaw so

[1:32:49] Voice 1: sorry about people who are being in force or getting

[1:32:54] Voice 1: notice of complaints or people sides like complain about okay but doesn't it

[1:33:00] Voice 1: does for you does it typically pick up in summer like in the lead-up to summer

[1:33:05] Voice 1: or i've seen your activity you would see by law enforcement but no

[1:33:10] Trustee Maude: it's easy it just it tends to

[1:33:11] Trustee Maude: be consistently dull but but but the last month it's seen it's consistently active but it's not

[1:33:18] Trustee Maude: like things that can be referred to by law enforcement because they're all open files type

[1:33:22] Trustee Maude: of thing but it's

[1:33:23] Trustee Maude: both sides of the ledger right um

[1:33:25] Trustee Maude: it's like why aren't you guys doing something

[1:33:27] Trustee Maude: and or why are you doing something it's like well you know it's not really our part of the

[1:33:32] Trustee Maude: the corporation well

[1:33:34] Voice 1: by law enforcement so i will say that um warren's been very helpful

[1:33:38] Voice 1: when we had we needed to communicate information uh structuring a webinar for people's information

[1:33:45] Voice 1: about you know what does the trust like and and this may be a need once our other bylaw

[1:33:51] Voice 1: enforcement review project sort of reaches a close there's going to be new policies and things

[1:33:57] Voice 1: and I think the opportunity definitely need to do some education and teaching and yeah so it's

[1:34:05] Voice 2: quite a disconnect between people understanding CRD unsightly premises bylaw parking dog bylaw

[1:34:12] Voice 2: right those calls you get and then how much enforcement actually and seeing something in

[1:34:18] Voice 2: the neighborhood change like how slow process that is so lots of frustration over ongoing bylaw

[1:34:24] Voice 2: complaints that don't magically just end well and we will go in camera well and i was going to say

[1:34:32] Voice 2: also we don't we don't actually applaud and we don't have a way to share like this was an issue

[1:34:36] Voice 2: and this is what

[1:34:38] Voice 2: happened and the owner didn't know and tick tick tick and everybody's happy

[1:34:41] Voice 2: now

[1:34:42] Voice 5: that's over so

[1:34:42] Voice 2: we don't even get to show the positive side right sometimes people do things

[1:34:47] Voice 2: inadvertently not understanding um so that's a lot of the

[1:34:50] Voice 1: gbps that we see are frequently to address

[1:34:56] Voice 1: yeah

[1:34:56] Voice 2: yeah which so somehow we need to be advertising the fact that that was a bylaw

[1:35:00] Voice 2: complaint about your setback and then all of a sudden now you've got your development variance

[1:35:05] Voice 2: everything's fixed everybody's happy we're all on track maybe that's an article

[1:35:09] Voice 1: and one of you

[1:35:11] Voice 1: we can try potentially probably have all

[1:35:14] Voice 2: right okay it's definitely an ongoing and and our

[1:35:18] Voice 2: population is that much larger than we have yeah

[1:35:20] Voice 2: definitely seen an increase in bylaw issues in

[1:35:23] Voice 2: It might be

[1:35:24] Voice 1: time for some more education then if we've

[1:35:26] Voice 1: got new people here

[1:35:27] Voice 1: they don't understand.

[1:35:29] Voice 1: Well let's go on camera soon. So we've got no new business. Our next regular scheduled meeting

[1:35:37] Voice 1: is July 26, 2025 here at the Agricultural Hall. We've got nobody online and no members of the

[1:35:45] Voice 1: public present for a town hall so if we can go into closed meeting

[1:35:50] Voice 9: okay

[1:35:51] Voice 2: i'll move that the meeting

[1:35:54] Voice 2: be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division three s.90

[1:36:01] Voice 2: dash one a f personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being

[1:36:08] Voice 2: considered for a position as an officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position

[1:36:15] Voice 2: by the municipality law enforcement if the council it's a trust local trust

[1:36:20] Voice 2: committee considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the

[1:36:24] Voice 2: conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment and that the

[1:36:28] Voice 2: reporter and staff attend the meetings thank

[1:36:31] Voice 1: you the second all those in favor

[1:36:34] Voice 1: that is carried.

[1:36:35] Voice 2: We're in camera.

[1:36:38] Trustee Maude: Interesting.

[1:36:43] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:36:46] Voice 1: Excellent.

[1:36:47] Voice 1: So

[1:36:49] Voice 1: the rising report from our

[1:36:51] Voice 1: closed meeting today that

[1:36:53] Voice 1: the Maine Island Local Trust Committee appointed

[1:36:55] Voice 1: Priscilla Eubank to the

[1:36:57] Voice 1: Maine Island Board of Variants, commencing

[1:36:59] Voice 1: immediately for a term

[1:37:01] Voice 1: ending April 28,

[1:37:02] Voice 1: 2028.

[1:37:03] Voice 1: eight. And there is additional consideration after discussion

[1:37:10] Voice 1: of a resolution that somebody is going to propose that related

[1:37:17] Voice 2: our

[1:37:17] Voice 1: program. Yeah, housing project.

[1:37:20] Voice 1: Yeah, to

[1:37:20] Voice 3: add clarification. Oh, sorry. The person's living in

[1:37:26] Voice 3: the primary resident as owner and operator of the business to

[1:37:29] Voice 3: to the home occupation related to contractor yards.

[1:37:36] Voice 3: Sorry, can you say

[1:37:37] Voice 1: that more slowly?

[1:37:38] Voice 3: So actually, you know what, let's make it short.

[1:37:41] Voice 3: And let's just say to revise home occupation,

[1:37:45] Voice 3: the home occupation residence requirement.

[1:37:52] Voice 2: So I'll move the motion that we clarify the home occupations,

[1:37:57] Voice 2: residential residency criteria criteria okay

[1:38:01] Voice 1: so moved a seconder that is seconded uh and lisa

[1:38:06] Voice 1: do you have the motion okay it was a bit fast thank you thank you great okay all those in favor

[1:38:13] Voice 1: and that is carried thank you and with that i'll call for adjournment uh again all those in favor

[1:38:21] Voice 1: Bye-bye. See you July 26th. Thank you, everyone.

[1:38:25] Voice 1: Thank you, Lisa.

[1:38:29] Trustee Maude: Lisa, I just wanted to really note appreciation of that rise in report part of the

[1:38:33] Trustee Maude: agenda. That really,

[1:38:38] Trustee Maude: really works.