Islands Trust Council regular meeting, May 29, 2025

[0:00:01] Voice 16: I'll just start the live streaming.

[0:00:06] Voice 16: And we are now live streaming and recording.

[0:00:11] Voice 4: So as we have current, I will call this meeting to order and hopefully we'll get a few other late attendees joining.

[0:00:20] Voice 4: So thank you all for joining us today.

[0:00:22] Voice 4: Appreciate you being on time.

[0:00:24] Voice 4: My name is Christina Evans and I am chair of the Trust Programs Committee and I'm elected on Sudeo South Panda.

[0:00:31] Voice 4: calendar so I'm going to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to gather and play and live

[0:00:37] Voice 4: and stay in the locations across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people

[0:00:44] Voice 4: as I choke on my breakfast pardon me um and saying thinking of breakfast I noticed the salmon berries

[0:00:54] Voice 4: are um becoming ripe and I'm hoping to be able to get one before all the birds get them

[0:00:59] Voice 4: and uh thinking of that i was also thinking about the joys of early fruit and harvest and

[0:01:07] Voice 4: this glorious weather that we had yesterday as well and i'm quite sure that uh lots of others

[0:01:13] Voice 4: across the this area also are looking forward to various types of unique berries and um food items

[0:01:24] Voice 4: that we don't see anywhere else and this is one of the reasons why we want to protect these areas

[0:01:31] Voice 4: in their as much a natural um state as possible um yeah so

[0:01:39] Voice 4: i'm just going to keep it very short

[0:01:40] Voice 4: today because we do have a very large agenda with us today um so yeah anyway i just wanted

[0:01:51] Voice 4: wanted to start with very warm feelings and I'm very happy to be here. I'm just going to do brief

[0:01:57] Voice 4: introductions today so we can get started. And I'm going to go around the table as I see you,

[0:02:02] Voice 4: starting with the trustees and then off to staff. So normally we'd have a little longer

[0:02:07] Voice 4: introduction of ourselves, but as I said, we're going to keep it brief. I'm going to start with

[0:02:12] Voice 4: Trustee Gaviro and I'm just going to pause while I cut off.

[0:02:18] Voice 14: Good morning and good luck with those

[0:02:20] Voice 14: salmonberries the birds always have a way of letting you know when they're right bay um lisa

[0:02:25] Voice 14: gober elected over on eliano island uh core territory of penelope tribe i'm very happy to

[0:02:31] Voice 14: be here good morning thank

[0:02:33] Voice 4: you uh trustee fast good

[0:02:39] Trustee Fast: morning everybody i'm coming to you from

[0:02:42] Trustee Fast: uh nuclear which is bowen island over in ketsam house sound and i knew the salmonberries were

[0:02:48] Trustee Fast: ripening because the cedar wax wings appeared and i heard them um and so i thought okay now

[0:02:55] Voice 11: birds

[0:02:55] Trustee Fast: are the berries are for them and us perfect

[0:03:02] Voice 4: um trustee graham good

[0:03:06] Voice 22: morning all from sunny

[0:03:07] Voice 22: denman island locally elected uh traditional territory of the coast salish komox and the

[0:03:13] Voice 22: qualicum yes i heard the birds too at 4 30 this morning and uh it's always exciting to hear the

[0:03:19] Voice 22: the birds and uh yeah good thank

[0:03:24] Voice 4: you um trustee elliot i'm not sure if you're able to or if you're

[0:03:28] Voice 4: driving yeah i'm in

[0:03:31] Voice 10: a fairy lineup uh greetings from uh territory gabriela island um yes i was

[0:03:39] Voice 10: i was walking but at 3 a.m because i'm sleeping outside now because um it's just so beautiful but

[0:03:46] Voice 10: But, yeah, the welcome rain was a nice surprise to go back in.

[0:03:51] Voice 10: Good to be with you all.

[0:03:52] Voice 10: And sorry, I'll be in and out, just have to travel today.

[0:03:55] Voice 10: But looking forward to the conversation.

[0:04:01] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:04:02] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson.

[0:04:05] Voice 21: Good morning from Plytai, Liskety Island, territory of Coast Salish peoples and the treaty territory of the Tla'aman Nation.

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:04:16] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Patrick, if you're able.

[0:04:20] Trustee Patrick: I'm here. I'm Laura Patrick coming from Salt Spring Island, the territory of many Coast Salish

[0:04:27] Trustee Patrick: nations. Thank you. And I see Trustee Maud.

[0:04:32] Voice 3: Good morning, David Maud, elected on Main Island,

[0:04:34] Voice 3: traditional home of the WSANIC people.

[0:04:37] Voice 4: Thank you. And those are the trustees that I see online at

[0:04:40] Voice 4: the moment. If we have any others, we will let you know. Now on to staff, I see Staff Yeomans.

[0:04:50] Voice 1: Good morning, trustees. Jason Yeoman, Senior Policy Advisor, coming to you today from the Victoria Office of the Islands Trust in Lekwungen Territory.

[0:04:57] Voice 1: And I'll just mention the birds I was awoken by this morning are the shrieking peacocks of Beacon Hill Park, which start sometime in the four o'clock.

[0:05:05] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:05:07] Voice 11: Steph Braytah.

[0:05:09] Voice 15: Good morning. I'm in the role of Director of Trust Area Services, coming to you today from the territory of Lekwungen peoples of the Esquimalt and Songhees First Nations.

[0:05:18] Voice 15: and didn't hear things but yesterday had a glorious hummingbird that kept me company

[0:05:23] Voice 15: while gardening which is just such a joy um

[0:05:28] Voice 4: staff barlow good

[0:05:33] Voice 16: morning robert barlow

[0:05:35] Voice 16: legislative services clerk and the recorder today and grateful to be born working and living

[0:05:43] Voice 16: on the quencan territory thank

[0:05:46] Voice 4: you and staff sermac good

[0:05:51] Voice 13: morning everybody stephan sermac

[0:05:53] Voice 13: Director of Planning Services coming to you from Salt Spring Island, the unceded territory of many

[0:05:57] Voice 13: Coastal First Nations. And I actually beat some of those birds when I noticed yesterday they were

[0:06:02] Voice 13: at the Salmonberry. So I took a little handful myself. Thank you very much and shared them with

[0:06:06] Voice 13: my pup.

[0:06:08] Voice 4: That's funny. And I apologize, I forgot to put off the audio. As you can tell, it's going

[0:06:16] Voice 4: to be one of those days for me today. So I'm going to just as a reminder, if you're not speaking to

[0:06:24] Voice 4: please put your audio off as I forgot to do. And we are now going to start on the agenda.

[0:06:33] Voice 4: And the first item here is the review of the agenda. And I'm going to say thank you very

[0:06:40] Voice 4: much for staff for pulling this together. I know this was a very rushed, a lot of hard work getting

[0:06:46] Voice 4: this in and it was very time consuming. Part of what happened there is normally as the chair,

[0:06:53] Voice 4: I get a chance to review the agenda prior, which I didn't get to do. So I do want to make an

[0:07:00] Voice 4: adjustment to the order in which we're doing things. And my basis is I'd like to deal with

[0:07:08] Voice 4: the trustee-initiated items first and then get into the staff-initiated items. And that's purely

[0:07:16] Voice 4: to respect the trustees' work that's happened in the Committee of the Whole meetings and then it

[0:07:21] Voice 4: flowed into the trust programs committee meetings to turn this back of the hall and as such

[0:07:30] Voice 4: i would like to move um let me see what it was

[0:07:37] Voice 4: do um right i would like to move 7.5 to 7.4 and then move 7.8 to 7.5

[0:07:58] Voice 4: and then the rest in order afterwards so is everybody okay if we do that i'm going to ask

[0:08:12] Voice 4: if anybody objects to put your hand up and i'm going to double check do we need you as a trustee

[0:08:20] Voice 4: elliott objects no

[0:08:24] Voice 10: i don't object but um you mentioned trustee initiated uh motions and 7.3

[0:08:31] Voice 10: was also from trustee yates yep

[0:08:34] Voice 8: that stays she's not

[0:08:36] Voice 10: but she's not here and there is no motion so

[0:08:42] Voice 10: how should we not leave that one to the end uh

[0:08:46] Voice 4: she emailed it she emailed it oh yeah yeah we do

[0:08:51] Voice 4: have it so is um so i think do we have to uh have a three-quarter vote on this i'm just asking staff

[0:09:04] Voice 4: have to amend the agenda?

[0:09:08] Voice 16: No, to reorder an agenda can be just done by general consent.

[0:09:15] Voice 4: Perfect. Okay. So not seeing any objections, then I'll take it by general consent that we're

[0:09:19] Voice 4: reordering the agenda. I'm going to ask now if anyone has any additional items to this heavy

[0:09:28] Voice 4: the agenda or any other changes to the agenda. Not seeing any, then we will adopt the agenda as

[0:09:40] Voice 4: amended. And I'm going to ask staff, are there any public on the on the meeting today?

[0:09:57] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair. Yes, there is one individual, Jennifer Margason. Would you like me to allow

[0:10:05] Voice 16: allow her to speak sure

[0:10:08] Voice 7: as

[0:10:09] Voice 16: i don't know if she so i'll allow her to speak and she can identify if

[0:10:15] Voice 16: she does wish to address the committee sounds

[0:10:17] Voice 4: good and then i see trustee peterson's hand is

[0:10:20] Voice 4: up while you're doing that i'll turn over to him oh

[0:10:24] Voice 21: just the uh i might have missed it chair but

[0:10:26] Voice 21: the addendum that we received right

[0:10:30] Voice 4: yeah but that's already on the um that's on the um it's

[0:10:35] Voice 4: already on the agenda as an expected late item. So it's on

[0:10:38] Voice 4: the agenda. Thank you for bringing that up.

[0:10:44] Voice 4: Staff Barlow, what did she respond?

[0:10:47] Voice 16: No, she has been given that opportunity to speak, but she is

[0:10:52] Voice 16: not yet spoken.

[0:10:55] Voice 17: Hello. Are you able to hear me?

[0:10:58] Voice 16: Yes, we can hear you now.

[0:11:00] Voice 17: Oh, okay. I wasn't intending to speak. I was attending the

[0:11:04] Voice 17: meeting. At this point, I'm not intending to speak.

[0:11:09] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:11:12] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:11:17] Voice 4: Okay, so we'll just wait for her to be dropped back

[0:11:23] Voice 4: as a viewer versus a panelist.

[0:11:29] Voice 16: She she chair. She

[0:11:32] Voice 1: is a

[0:11:32] Voice 16: an attendee, not a panelist.

[0:11:35] Voice 4: Okay, so we see her on on here. But

[0:11:39] Voice 4: yeah

[0:11:41] Voice 16: that's just a remnant of the zoom arrangement right okay

[0:11:48] Voice 4: so we have no correspondence

[0:11:50] Voice 4: so we're going to now move on to six one which is the review of the draft uh minutes of the

[0:12:00] Voice 4: previous meeting from may 7th does anyone have any edits or comments to the draft minutes from

[0:12:10] Voice 4: on may 7th okay not seeing any can we adopt the draft minutes of may 7th 2025 by general consent

[0:12:23] Voice 4: i will ask if anyone is opposed to raise their hand otherwise i will accept it by general consent

[0:12:29] Voice 4: not seeing any that is adopted by general consent and then we had a resolution without meeting

[0:12:41] Voice 4: to set the special meeting for today and that's added in here for our information

[0:12:50] Voice 4: and so moving on to 6.3 which is the follow-on follow-up action list i will turn over to staff

[0:12:59] Voice 4: freighter to walk us through this uh

[0:13:03] Voice 15: thank you chair i'm going to suggest today that i not

[0:13:05] Voice 15: provide an update just as i know time is going to be tight and i'm happy to take any questions

[0:13:10] Voice 4: um i think there were some changes in here that were recommended so i think we should

[0:13:15] Voice 4: talk about the your recommended changes uh oh no that was i think later on that's the

[0:13:22] Voice 4: that's the work yeah the work

[0:13:24] Voice 15: program towards the end of the meeting and we will need to make

[0:13:27] Voice 15: sure we have enough time at the end of the meeting to achieve that so we can forward to trust council

[0:13:33] Voice 4: right all right so we are heading now into our first business item which is 7.1

[0:13:41] Voice 4: And this is the PSAP Islands Trust Object Briefing.

[0:13:50] Voice 4: And I will turn this over to, was it Staff Eumanns that put this together?

[0:13:57] Voice 1: It was, Chair Evans. Thanks.

[0:13:59] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:14:01] Voice 1: So this brief briefing responds to a previous TPC request for staff to provide advice about including the text from the current policy statement,

[0:14:11] Voice 1: which is entitled, not the policy statement, but the section of the policy statement entitled

[0:14:15] Voice 1: The Islands Trust Object and its Meaning, through to the next heading, Guiding Principles

[0:14:19] Voice 1: Amended to Include First Nations in Section 1.1 of the Draft Policy Statement.

[0:14:23] Voice 1: So essentially, asking staff for our thoughts on whether an interpretation of the object

[0:14:30] Voice 1: should be included in the policy statement.

[0:14:32] Voice 1: You'll see from the appendix that we've attached here, just a very brief assessment

[0:14:38] Voice 1: based on our review of this that we don't recommend that you do, primarily for two reasons.

[0:14:43] Voice 1: One is that in the past, it struck us that Trust Council was interested in keeping this document

[0:14:51] Voice 1: as short as possible while still achieving its objectives, and so introducing more text at this

[0:14:59] Voice 1: point may not be advisable. And secondarily, we'd heard from Indigenous governing bodies over the

[0:15:05] Voice 1: course of engagement on previous drafts and in the lead up to previous drafts, that they found

[0:15:11] Voice 1: the preamble and introductory sections of the policy statement to be problematic. So I think

[0:15:16] Voice 1: if we were to introduce an interpretation of the object anew, it should probably be done in

[0:15:23] Voice 1: cooperation or collaboration with those Indigenous governing bodies to make sure that

[0:15:28] Voice 1: we are reflecting not only our interests, but also their interests and how the two come together.

[0:15:36] Voice 1: in the document thank you thank

[0:15:39] Voice 4: you so we're going to open this up for discussion and i will start

[0:15:44] Voice 4: with my piece um so i went i read through the the um uh the feedback we'd have from first nations

[0:15:57] Voice 4: and what i saw was uh with regards to the existing islands trust object and meaning

[0:16:04] Voice 4: excluding the guiding principles which you have included in here so that

[0:16:08] Voice 4: shouldn't have been included that's one page so that is still shorter than what

[0:16:15] Voice 4: was drafted the comments that I saw on there was that First Nations hadn't been

[0:16:22] Voice 4: included in the object which it has now so that comment has been addressed so it

[0:16:31] Voice 4: it would just need some tweaking in the expanded text to include First Nations. So then that

[0:16:38] Voice 4: would actually be addressed. The second part is the, seeing as though this is already existing

[0:16:46] Voice 4: and the conversation that happens with the residents throughout the Gulf Islands with

[0:16:54] Voice 4: regards to the object and its meaning, I think this is really important to keep what previous

[0:17:03] Voice 4: Trust Council said keep the to reduce the amount of text that was in the revised draft policy

[0:17:12] Voice 4: statement the previous revised policy statement was very long and very difficult to read

[0:17:16] Voice 4: keeping something that is clear and quite succinct and keeps the what's the word I'm looking for

[0:17:34] Voice 4: the disagreement of what the mandate means by keeping this wording in here that has been in

[0:17:40] Voice 4: here and has not had this hasn't been a what's the word I'm looking for the wording that's in

[0:17:52] Voice 4: here right now hasn't undergone the amount of controversy that that changing it has done

[0:18:00] Voice 4: so this wording is acceptable by the residents and apart from the not having first nations in

[0:18:11] Voice 4: the mandate which has now changed i didn't see any other objections on this what i saw was all

[0:18:17] Voice 4: the objections on the revised text which um was i didn't feel also was um very uh i feel that the

[0:18:27] Voice 4: existing is much better. So I do want to see this kept, because otherwise I would think that

[0:18:36] Voice 4: it would provoke a lot more controversy about the interpretation of the mandate.

[0:18:49] Voice 4: Trustee Patrick?

[0:18:51] Trustee Patrick: I wanted to just suggest a potential alternative so that we can move on.

[0:18:57] Trustee Patrick: One would be to break the paragraph up like was done in the September 23 interpretation piece in many legal opinions.

[0:19:13] Trustee Patrick: If we could just present it instead of in just the paragraph form, if you could just present it that the object of the trust is to preserve and protect the trust area, line down, and its unique amenities, line down, and the environment.

[0:19:27] Trustee Patrick: I think when it's presented that way, it makes it very clear that it's many things, not one.

[0:19:36] Voice 4: um Steph Yeomans can I just get you to scroll down a little bit to show trustee Patrick what

[0:19:41] Voice 4: it currently looks like as it's broken out that's what I'm saying like the way that it's currently

[0:19:51] Voice 4: broken out has not undergone the amount of controversy that what we're currently going

[0:19:56] Voice 4: through and seeing as though this is an ongoing conversation at trust council and this is a living

[0:20:04] Voice 4: document this could be changed at a later date or it could be changed before this gets adopted

[0:20:10] Voice 4: adopted. But in the interim, I would like to see this still in there so that it is not removed in

[0:20:20] Voice 4: its entirety and only kept as the single paragraph with no expanded explanation. I think removing the

[0:20:30] Voice 4: expanded explanation does us more harm than good. Staff Rater?

[0:20:45] Voice 15: Thank you, Chair. I'll just note that

[0:20:46] Voice 15: in the First Nation comments section that's been provided to you at item 7.6 there are quite a

[0:20:52] Voice 15: number of comments from First Nations about this original language that you might want to reference

[0:20:56] Voice 15: as they had comments particularly around like the word stakeholders for example so there were

[0:21:03] Voice 15: certainly certainly feedback on this section provided by First Nations that I just want the

[0:21:07] Voice 15: committee to be aware of that you have in the agenda today.

[0:21:11] Voice 4: Exactly and some of those things

[0:21:12] Voice 4: can be um can be easily amended uh trustee fast thank

[0:21:25] Trustee Fast: you chair um my uh i'm in support of

[0:21:29] Trustee Fast: leaving uh it out um this is speaking specifically to the honest trust object and its meaning um

[0:21:38] Trustee Fast: And I was part of those earlier discussions. I think in previous years, previous terms, I think the trust policy statement would be clearer for everyone if it was just the trust policy statement speaking for itself, like a bylaw.

[0:22:00] Trustee Fast: you don't want to put all your educational materials into a bylaw this is a legal document

[0:22:07] Trustee Fast: it's the expression of um what the um object is if you wanted to put it that way and to put a bunch

[0:22:17] Trustee Fast: of descriptive language in uh that is going to need editing to me seems like going back to square

[0:22:23] Trustee Fast: one redoing work of previous uh terms my proposal or my preference is to um uh keep it lean uh and

[0:22:36] Trustee Fast: to the point uh so that everybody reviewing it including first nations can um uh be efficient

[0:22:43] Trustee Fast: and only see material that they've seen before like they're looking at not new or um anyway i

[0:22:51] Trustee Fast: I think we should keep it lean and efficient and slim.

[0:22:56] Trustee Fast: And we can add all kinds of educational materials later.

[0:23:00] Trustee Fast: But the actual functioning policies of the trust policy statement, I think, should just be presented.

[0:23:09] Trustee Fast: Here they are.

[0:23:10] Trustee Fast: They can have within this document all kinds of educational materials can be created and will be and will be all around.

[0:23:21] Trustee Fast: it as through time but uh the document i think should stay and i don't think we should be redoing

[0:23:27] Trustee Fast: the work of uh that's already been happening during during the process it just extends it

[0:23:33] Trustee Fast: and uh makes more work for everybody so i think we should just hold the course thank you thank you

[0:23:40] Voice 4: trustee gaffer uh

[0:23:43] Voice 14: thank you um i think staff got it absolutely right here uh i think it should be

[0:23:49] Voice 14: left out the interpretation of the object is politically very difficult and i think by having

[0:23:56] Voice 14: it in here we've seen that the past drafts were not well received by first nations and i think

[0:24:03] Voice 14: that as we move forward through this we can um work towards that co-development we keep talking

[0:24:09] Voice 14: about thank you thank

[0:24:12] Voice 5: you trustee peterson um

[0:24:18] Voice 21: thank you chair i concur with a lot of what i'm

[0:24:21] Voice 21: hearing um a note that staff recommendation is that if the preamble language is to be included

[0:24:29] Voice 21: and amended to include reference to indigenous governing bodies

[0:24:33] Voice 21: that it should be developed cooperating with first nations

[0:24:37] Voice 21: um i'm concerned about the timeline of our process and that to go back and do this right

[0:24:49] Voice 21: we're setting the whole project back that's fairly recent it was our last meeting maybe

[0:24:55] Voice 21: um that this was brought up to hey should we have another look at this um appreciate staff has

[0:25:03] Voice 21: done the reporting that they've done for us today and i think um if we're going to do this right

[0:25:11] Voice 21: we either need it's either going to push this project into next term which i'm completely not

[0:25:16] Voice 21: in favor of or we just carry on um as we were and and leave this out so that's my preference

[0:25:23] Voice 21: any

[0:25:26] Voice 4: other speakers see elliot uh

[0:25:33] Voice 10: i concur with the previous um three speakers um

[0:25:37] Voice 10: there is a lot of work to be done in clarifying the interpretation of the object but that's

[0:25:43] Voice 10: not the role of the policy statement and i understand the desire for simplicity this

[0:25:49] Voice 10: This one-page original draft does seem to be a fairly simplistic rendering, but there's still problematic language in it, and I think it's going to lead us into more debate.

[0:26:04] Voice 10: The policy statement, as Trustee Fast said, is a bylaw, and it doesn't require descriptors.

[0:26:13] Voice 10: There's going to be an implementation and a bunch of preamble, and that's where we can get into language of contextual interpretations.

[0:26:21] Voice 10: But I agree with staff's briefing here that this can be left out. Thanks.

[0:26:28] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:26:31] Voice 4: Anybody else? Okay, not seeing any, then we will move on.

[0:26:38] Voice 4: So the next item is 7.2, which is the moorage policy. And Staff Yeomans, was this you again?

[0:26:51] Voice 1: It was indeed, Chair Evans.

[0:26:53] Voice 4: Perfect.

[0:26:56] Voice 1: This request for decision responds to a TPC resolution requesting that staff provide recommendations in regards to a new policy to identify and protect safe anchorages and to discourage anchorage in sensitive marine locations.

[0:27:13] Voice 1: um staff have undertaken uh sort of an assessment of of some of the jurisprudence and the and the

[0:27:19] Voice 1: legislation around this sort of issue coming to the conclusion and i would look to the director

[0:27:23] Voice 1: of planning services if he wants to weigh in on this that moorage as in uh installing a mooring

[0:27:30] Voice 1: buoy and and tying a vessel to it uh is a use that local governments can regulate but it is harder

[0:27:37] Voice 1: for local governments to regulate the anchoring of a vessel somewhere and that has to do with the

[0:27:42] Voice 1: the division of jurisdiction between the federal government, which legislates over navigation,

[0:27:49] Voice 1: and local governments, which can legislate over use.

[0:27:52] Voice 1: And I think looking to the federal government's powers,

[0:27:57] Voice 1: they would essentially say that boaters have a right to anchor their boats

[0:28:01] Voice 1: in the course of what would normally be considered regular use of their boats.

[0:28:06] Voice 1: Whereas tethering your boat to a mooring buoy and tethering that mooring buoy to the ocean floor

[0:28:12] Voice 1: is a use that local governments can regulate so that being the case staff are proposing a policy

[0:28:19] Voice 1: addition to regulate or directing local trust committees and island municipalities to regulate

[0:28:26] Voice 1: moorage rather than anchorage and in fact staff have a further amendment to the recommended policy

[0:28:33] Voice 1: that's contained in this report based on our further advice to you in the definition section

[0:28:39] Voice 1: around sensitive marine ecosystems and so where we have landed as a policy recommendation in regard

[0:28:46] Voice 1: to moorage is that we recommend a new directive policy 3.5.19 that says titled vessel moorage

[0:28:55] Voice 1: and that says limit or prohibit the moorage of vessels in eelgrass meadows kelp forests

[0:29:01] Voice 1: forage fish spawning areas clam beds estuaries and mud flats and the reason that we are pulling

[0:29:08] Voice 1: those specific sensitive marine ecosystem types out is that those are identified elsewhere in the

[0:29:15] Voice 1: new draft policy statement as the marine areas that we are particularly concerned about and

[0:29:21] Voice 1: rather than bundling them all together under the heading of sensitive marine ecosystems

[0:29:25] Voice 1: we're suggesting breaking them out and in the definition section we explain a little more

[0:29:31] Voice 1: robustly why we're not recommending a definition for sensitive marine ecosystems and it simply has

[0:29:36] Voice 1: has to do with the sort of scientific rigor that we could put to the issue in the time that we had

[0:29:41] Voice 1: available to us. Whereas sensitive terrestrial ecosystems are well documented and categorized

[0:29:46] Voice 1: by the provincial government, we didn't have a corresponding defensible sort of template from

[0:29:54] Voice 1: which to identify sensitive marine ecosystems. So we're just drawing on what the new draft policy

[0:29:58] Voice 1: statement already says.

[0:30:00] Voice 1: are the marine areas that we are most interested in protecting thank you thank

[0:30:05] Voice 4: you um so let's

[0:30:08] Voice 4: open up discussion on this trustee fast thank

[0:30:12] Trustee Fast: you and uh thank you um advisory policy advisor

[0:30:18] Trustee Fast: yeomans um i'm wondering in your uh description you uh read it out as limit or prohibit the

[0:30:25] Trustee Fast: moorage of vessels and sensitive marine ecosystems and then more text whereas what we've got in our

[0:30:32] Trustee Fast: package and i'm looking on page two um as the uh recommended just says prohibit can you clarify

[0:30:41] Trustee Fast: what exactly the text is that you're proposing uh to add and does it include the word eelgrass

[0:30:49] Trustee Fast: thank you i

[0:30:51] Voice 1: will um if you'll just allow me to unshare what's currently on the screen and

[0:30:55] Voice 1: share something different. So just bear with me for a sec. Sorry, the text is probably quite

[0:31:14] Voice 1: tiny for you. This is an email that I was about to send to Robert Barlow so he could share it on

[0:31:18] Voice 1: the screen larger, but limit or prohibit the moorage of vessels in eelgrass meadows, kelp

[0:31:23] Voice 1: forests, forage fish spawning areas, estuaries, and mudflats.

[0:31:28] Voice 4: I'm just going to suggest that this

[0:31:30] Voice 4: will have to go to Robert Barlow and then bring it up on the screen because we absolutely cannot

[0:31:35] Voice 4: cannot read that okay

[0:31:36] Voice 1: let me just press send on this email and we'll get him

[0:31:38] Voice 4: thank you okay

[0:31:42] Trustee Fast: may i um yeah

[0:31:45] Voice 11: carry on thank

[0:31:46] Trustee Fast: you um i am in favor of this uh change i like um listing specifically

[0:31:54] Trustee Fast: what the sensitive marine ecosystems are uh but my concern is one of the things that has happened on

[0:32:02] Trustee Fast: on this island over the uh past 10 years has been discussions of well maybe it used to be

[0:32:10] Trustee Fast: an eelgrass meadow but it's not a meadow anymore they're just patches and um or fringes or it's

[0:32:19] Trustee Fast: gone and uh so it's okay to put this dog in and uh

[0:32:23] Trustee Fast: so i am for example and uh so i'm just worried

[0:32:27] Trustee Fast: worried about the expansive terms of meadows, forests, and flats. They kind of give the

[0:32:37] Trustee Fast: impression of big areas. Could it be changed to the word habitats? Thank you. Or is there a better

[0:32:46] Trustee Fast: word? That's just something from my experience. Maybe it's that kind of battle only happens here

[0:32:53] Trustee Fast: your own bowen i'm not sure um that's my question i

[0:32:59] Voice 4: will ask uh staff humans or someone to answer

[0:33:02] Voice 4: that question first before moving on um

[0:33:10] Voice 1: i don't think i have a ready answer um specific to that

[0:33:15] Voice 1: question maybe i would just frame the issue around the fact that or the the reality that

[0:33:24] Voice 1: your local trust committee or your island municipality is going to be limiting or

[0:33:29] Voice 1: or prohibiting this use via your zoning, and that the zoning decision that you make

[0:33:36] Voice 1: is going to be underpinned by some mapped understanding of where the areas are that

[0:33:44] Voice 1: you want to protect. And I know that the Islands Trust has eelgrass mapping available to it.

[0:33:52] Voice 1: now how you as a local trust committee or you as an island municipality choose to employ that

[0:33:59] Voice 1: mapping because i think that mapping does identify both where the and and i might look to director

[0:34:06] Voice 1: freighter to jump in if she has further information here but i think that the eelgrass mapping for

[0:34:10] Voice 1: example identifies both the healthy beds and the sparse sort of sparse areas which either

[0:34:17] Voice 1: either were once a healthy bed or could be in a healthy bed again.

[0:34:22] Voice 1: And so I think it will come down to the local trust committee or the island

[0:34:25] Voice 1: municipality,

[0:34:26] Voice 1: how it chooses to employ the data that it has available to underpin that

[0:34:30] Voice 1: zoning.

[0:34:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And if I can just follow up, I, I appreciate that.

[0:34:36] Trustee Fast: And I think some of this discussion may have happened before we had that

[0:34:41] Trustee Fast: good mapping.

[0:34:42] Trustee Fast: And it also,

[0:34:44] Trustee Fast: Also, I think it's just a reality of the political discussions that take place, and I think it's fine-tuning, maybe for the future.

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast: Right now, I'm prepared to support this recommendation. I like it. Thank you very much. I'll be voting in favor.

[0:35:01] Voice 4: Thank you, and I'm going to go into Trustee Peterson first.

[0:35:06] Voice 21: Yeah, I'm supportive of this approach. And I just would note, as mentioned in the staff report, how we're going to define sensitive marine ecosystems, I think is a different conversation than that doesn't have to happen before we've made this progress. I think that's a staff have identified that that definition isn't complete, and we're going to have to work on that.

[0:35:34] Voice 21: Thank

[0:35:36] Voice 4: you. So my comment is, can we amend the wording to say limit or prohibit the moorage of vessels in sensitive marine ecosystem, including but not limited to, and then have all the language?

[0:35:53] Voice 4: That way, you know, should there be other items that are identified as sensitive marine ecosystems, they can be included without having to come back and amend this.

[0:36:08] Voice 4: Because things do change over time.

[0:36:10] Voice 4: Things that we know to be sensitive today or are not identified as sensitive today could become sensitive in the future.

[0:36:18] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:36:20] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast?

[0:36:21] Voice 4: I

[0:36:23] Trustee Fast: support this, Chair Evans. I think that's a good idea because, for example, around Bowen, we have cloud sponge bioherms and other underwater life forms and ecosystems that are, it's the same species as the glass sponge reefs.

[0:36:48] Trustee Fast: and we don't yet know how everything fits together and what might be important for other species like

[0:36:54] Trustee Fast: do gray whales prefer to anyway i am where where where are the food sources i uh i like that idea

[0:37:05] Trustee Fast: uh it keeps the main topics out here eelgrass kelp um and things that we can map but it also

[0:37:14] Trustee Fast: leaves it open for other things that the community or the local trust committee

[0:37:23] Trustee Fast: could raise and so I kind of like that idea sensitive marine ecosystems

[0:37:29] Trustee Fast: including but not limited to yeah I support that thank you thanks

[0:37:35] Voice 4: any other

[0:37:37] Voice 4: comments on the wording trustee Elliott do

[0:37:44] Voice 10: we want to have any discussion on the

[0:37:46] Voice 10: limit or prohibit or just going straight to prohibit um limit i mean i there there's some

[0:37:57] Voice 10: latitude there for interpretation um prohibit would be of course much stronger directive language

[0:38:06] Voice 10: um yeah what do people feel about that yeah

[0:38:13] Voice 4: i think that's that that'd be good to open up that

[0:38:15] Voice 4: discussion um i do have a couple of other hands up and then we'll uh recall that question is that

[0:38:20] Voice 4: okay yep um staff rater um

[0:38:29] Voice 15: simply an editing suggestion the word ecosystems doesn't really

[0:38:32] Voice 15: work with the listing of areas that follow so i wonder if you might want to consider substituting

[0:38:37] Voice 15: that word with the word areas because for example like a mud flat is not an ecosystem

[0:38:41] Voice 15: system sure i

[0:38:43] Voice 4: think that that's okay um

[0:38:47] Voice 5: trustee peterson yeah just weighing

[0:38:52] Voice 21: in on the limit or

[0:38:54] Voice 21: prohibit i i think prohibit is is the language here um uh limiting to what starts getting into

[0:39:05] Voice 21: gray area this is about protecting the areas that need protection so let's go with prohibit

[0:39:10] Voice 21: that's my thought thank you

[0:39:12] Voice 4: okay i'm just going to ask um staff yeomans again for his reasoning

[0:39:20] Voice 4: for adding in the limit or um like you said it does provide a bit more latitude to the

[0:39:28] Voice 4: local trust committee because this is directive um so there may be areas like you said um that

[0:39:36] Voice 4: that can change over time.

[0:39:37] Voice 4: So it may have been an area that has been mapped

[0:39:40] Voice 4: as sensitive, but things have changed.

[0:39:43] Voice 4: So you may just want to limit in that area,

[0:39:46] Voice 4: in areas where progress is starting to come, I don't know.

[0:39:51] Voice 4: So I will turn it over to Staffie Yeomans for his reasoning

[0:39:53] Voice 4: for adding in those two words as well.

[0:39:57] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[0:40:00] Voice 1: The decision to recommend inclusion of the word limit,

[0:40:03] Voice 1: I think, is our attempt to sort of thread the needle

[0:40:08] Voice 1: of political reality a little bit.

[0:40:10] Voice 1: It's my understanding.

[0:40:10] Voice 1: So this is the language that's currently

[0:40:12] Voice 1: in the draft new policy statement

[0:40:14] Voice 1: around the topic of docks in marine areas.

[0:40:18] Voice 1: It says limit or prohibit.

[0:40:20] Voice 1: And it's my understanding that that language came

[0:40:23] Voice 1: as a response to public feedback

[0:40:28] Voice 1: when the policy simply said prohibit.

[0:40:31] Voice 1: And so for the sake of consistency

[0:40:34] Voice 1: consistency with other contentious marine-related issues, we chose to recommend the latitude that

[0:40:42] Voice 1: limiting may also provide.

[0:40:46] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Trustee Fast? Thank you, Chair. And thanks for that

[0:40:52] Trustee Fast: explanation. I'm also in favor of keeping the wording that I looked at in the draft, which was

[0:41:02] Trustee Fast: prohibit the moorage of vessels in um because we're the purpose is uh to uphold our mandate of

[0:41:15] Trustee Fast: preserving and protecting and um uh this one is not about docks it's about the uh sensitive life

[0:41:25] Trustee Fast: life forms and ecosystems.

[0:41:28] Trustee Fast: And I think it should be just prohibit the moorage of vessels.

[0:41:33] Trustee Fast: And just a word on the language about the sensitive marine areas.

[0:41:39] Trustee Fast: I like that because it also includes the other things, the clam beds,

[0:41:43] Trustee Fast: the coastal wetlands, the other important things,

[0:41:47] Trustee Fast: as well as things we may not recognize yet, like sponge gardens.

[0:41:52] Trustee Fast: and um uh so i i like the idea of prohibit thank you okay i'm prepared to make a motion

[0:42:02] Trustee Fast: too when you're ready chair of

[0:42:04] Voice 4: course um so my comment is i i like both the the limit or

[0:42:12] Voice 4: prohibit or just to prohibit i'm i'm fine either way um my and the reason why i'm either way is

[0:42:19] Voice 4: I'm thinking how we had the public reaction the last time sometimes when we're bringing in new

[0:42:28] Voice 4: things it's it's better to have a forward step than to have a project fail and if we have to

[0:42:35] Voice 4: also be careful when we know that there could be sensitivities it sometimes it's just good to have

[0:42:41] Voice 4: a forward step and then you can make a second step to the goal you don't have to achieve the goal

[0:42:46] Voice 4: immediately when we know that this is a living document. So we can gauge how we're feeling.

[0:42:55] Voice 4: You know, perhaps because this is very specific, it won't have the same reaction as the previous

[0:43:03] Voice 4: one did, which I think was just prohibiting docks, which is an entirely different thing in itself.

[0:43:09] Voice 4: So here it's specific to the protection of sensitive marine areas. And I think that would

[0:43:15] Voice 4: be supported if it was prohibited versus limited or prohibited. Should that not be the case, then

[0:43:23] Voice 4: when we go into the public consultation, then we can add the word limit back in again, we would

[0:43:28] Voice 4: have that option. So yeah, I'm okay either which way. So on that, I will turn it over if somebody

[0:43:37] Voice 4: wants to move the motion. Trustee Fest?

[0:43:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. Yes, I'd be happy to. I move that Trust

[0:43:47] Trustee Fast: Trust Programs Committee add a new Directive Policy 3.5.19 to the marine shoreline section

[0:43:53] Trustee Fast: that reads, prohibit the moorage of vessels in sensitive marine areas, including but not

[0:44:03] Trustee Fast: limited to eelgrass meadows, kelp forests, forage fish spawning areas, estuaries, and

[0:44:09] Trustee Fast: mudflats.

[0:44:12] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:44:13] Voice 4: I'm going to ask if there are any further changes to the wording before calling a seconder.

[0:44:21] Voice 4: trustee fast oh sorry my my bad no worries not seeing any um i'm just going to double check

[0:44:34] Voice 4: with staff we're losing trustee patrick do we still have quorum i think she's ex-officio

[0:44:47] Voice 11: do

[0:44:49] Voice 4: we have quorum with let me lose i

[0:44:52] Voice 15: can respond to that chair um because she is ex-officio she's

[0:44:55] Voice 15: a non-voting member, so it doesn't affect the forum.

[0:44:58] Voice 4: Awesome. Do I have a seconder for the

[0:45:01] Voice 4: motion? Trustee Gavry, discussion before we call the vote. Seeing none, I will call the vote. All

[0:45:14] Voice 4: those in favor, please raise your hand. Perfect. Thank you. Please lower your hand. Are there any

[0:45:26] Voice 4: opposed? That motion passes. Thank you very much. All right. Moving on, we have a motion from

[0:45:38] Voice 4: from trustee yates and that was emailed in this morning i believe um could i ask

[0:45:45] Voice 4: uh staff yams do you have that motion in your email are you able to share it on the screen

[0:45:52] Voice 1: i believe i can just give me a sec try and do so in a way where oh i believe

[0:45:59] Voice 1: robert barlow may beat me to it

[0:46:01] Voice 4: oh there you go awesome that's

[0:46:03] Voice 1: great and that way you don't have

[0:46:04] Voice 1: have to see my inbox well

[0:46:07] Voice 4: it could be fun um all right so this was brought forward um

[0:46:19] Voice 4: so there was a conversation regarding light pollution um and i'm not sure i can't because

[0:46:28] Voice 4: i didn't have a chance to look at the email from i

[0:46:38] Voice 11: think our chair has frozen do we

[0:46:46] Trustee Fast: have a vice

[0:46:47] Trustee Fast: chair speaking you froze and I was wondering if we had a vice chair or what

[0:46:54] Trustee Fast: would happen oh sorry

[0:46:55] Trustee Fast: yeah so

[0:46:57] Voice 4: I was just saying yeah I was just saying I didn't

[0:46:59] Voice 4: read the email this morning I'm not sure if there was any supporting text or if

[0:47:02] Voice 4: we just have the motion so I'll open the floor for discussion on the motion this

[0:47:08] Voice 4: had some light discussion before but we didn't actually get into it does anyone

[0:47:15] Voice 4: I won't have any comments regarding the light pollution.

[0:47:17] Voice 4: And I'm going to maybe turn over to Staff Yeomans

[0:47:19] Voice 4: because there was a bit of background information

[0:47:21] Voice 4: that you provided last time with regards to our jurisdiction

[0:47:25] Voice 4: with regards to light pollution.

[0:47:27] Voice 4: And I think it was in the same area as noise pollution.

[0:47:31] Voice 4: So I'll just turn that over quickly to Staff Yeomans.

[0:47:34] Voice 1: Sure. Thank you, Chair.

[0:47:36] Voice 1: Yeah, Local Trust Committee Authority,

[0:47:38] Voice 1: and now I can't speak expertly about Island Municipality Authority,

[0:47:44] Voice 1: But local trust committee authority on this issue is limited, but it does exist. So, for example, through your development permit areas, particularly that you might apply to the form and character of commercial and industrial development, you can direct the way that lighting is used.

[0:48:03] Voice 1: You can also do so, or at least I've seen it used in environmental protection development permit areas along the shoreline to ensure that any lighting that's used in support of docks or other marine uses is downcast and limited in its intensity.

[0:48:23] Voice 1: And you also have the authority to regulate lighting of parking lots under the Local Government Act.

[0:48:30] Voice 1: So there are ways that local trust committees can regulate lighting. Where you likely can't regulate it is in single-family residential development. You don't really have the ability to regulate the way that people light their houses unless they live in a multi-unit building where you can use a development permit area to regulate that.

[0:48:53] Voice 1: I'll ask the Director of Planning Services if he knows of any other ways, but I think that covers it.

[0:48:59] Voice 1: Thank

[0:49:01] Voice 4: you. I have one other question. Dark Sky Principles, is that a recognized document? I don't really know how to say that. Or would it be more appropriate to actually break out what we have jurisdiction in?

[0:49:25] Voice 4: And I know that we're not necessarily going to reach a conclusion if we go that route today. So this could be bumped forward. I know that the dark sky principles is something that's been brought forward by Trustee Morrison that hasn't yet had discussion at Trust Council.

[0:49:40] Voice 4: And before we before we pass anything that says dark sky principles, I just want to make sure that that is a recognized thing and that everything in there is applicable to us.

[0:49:50] Voice 4: We

[0:49:54] Voice 1: did ponder that ourselves at the staff level, the wisdom of including reference to a third party's philosophy.

[0:50:04] Voice 1: philosophy, but I think ultimately concluded that, you know, I think there is a dark sky

[0:50:11] Voice 1: organization, and whether or not that dark sky organization continues in perpetuity,

[0:50:18] Voice 1: the principles that they use to underpin their work likely have the staying power of the policy

[0:50:25] Voice 1: statement, and so concluded that it would be okay to reference them.

[0:50:30] Voice 4: Okay, thank you. Trustee Fast?

[0:50:33] Voice 4: Thank

[0:50:34] Trustee Fast: you, Chair. I'm in favor of this motion. And I would note that the organization is called Dark Sky International. And you can look it up under darksky.org. And it's been active for about protecting the night sky for about 20 years or something.

[0:50:57] Trustee Fast: I think some biospheres in Canada, as well as other places in the world, have signed on to these dark sky principles, and some protected areas, like I'm looking up at some projects that we as, or never mind, as our consultants have done in Alberta, our consulting companies recommended some of these and they've been taken up.

[0:51:27] Trustee Fast: And that was from like 20 years ago. On Bowen, we have, so those were from this organization, what became Dark Sky International. It came out of academia and park managers from around the world, meeting at conferences, thinking about what, advancing the idea together internationally, as I understand it.

[0:51:52] Trustee Fast: Anyway, I won't go on about it. I'm not an expert. But I do know that here on Bowen, we have had a dark sky bylaw as the municipality for maybe 15 years. It's been only restricted to public land.

[0:52:09] Trustee Fast: So places like public playing fields, for example, when we've got big lights around our soccer pitch, we shield the lights.

[0:52:23] Trustee Fast: So the light is directed only downwards, not upwards to get in the way of bird migration or people's view of the stars or insect life that might be confused and needs all the help it can get, pollinators, that sort of thing.

[0:52:41] Trustee Fast: And it's been not controversial, and it'll be interesting in our, some people are discussing it now in our official community plan update, the idea of making it broader to more public areas, or at least the principles of shielding the light so it only goes where it's needed, and it's not polluting.

[0:53:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:53:11] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:53:12] Voice 4: I am very much in favor of this. I love the natural dark skies. I find it intrusive when

[0:53:22] Voice 4: it's a full moon. And personally, my husband likes to have like lights on the posts and

[0:53:35] Voice 4: And I hate them.

[0:53:37] Voice 4: So I removed all the batteries.

[0:53:39] Voice 4: But it's interesting as you drive along, you've got these beautiful dark skies and you've got the tree canopy, which creates an even darker space as you're driving.

[0:53:57] Voice 11: I

[0:53:57] Trustee Fast: think our chair has frozen again.

[0:54:00] Voice 4: Lightways that are just so bright and you see them for kilometers through the trees.

[0:54:05] Voice 4: so it's just interesting when one person doesn't do it how big of an impact it is i'm very much

[0:54:15] Voice 4: in support of this my second comment which will now be more as chair if we do pass this

[0:54:25] Voice 4: even though trust council has not yet had a chance to review and make a decision on dark

[0:54:31] Voice 4: sky's principles should they choose as trust council not to support this at trust council

[0:54:39] Voice 4: that's the place that they can say yay or nay to including this but i think it's really good to

[0:54:44] Voice 4: have it in here for now trustee peterson yeah

[0:54:50] Voice 21: i i think this is uh this is um not problematic

[0:54:56] Voice 21: the dark sky principles are easy to access um in fact there is a fixture seal of approval program

[0:55:05] Voice 21: including three companies in canada um so it's this is nothing um that i see as being onerous

[0:55:14] Voice 21: and indeed if if trust council decides they don't want to proceed with it that's fine but i i don't

[0:55:20] Voice 21: see a hazard of us doing so.

[0:55:24] Voice 4: Excellent. Trustee Gavereau?

[0:55:26] Voice 4: Gavereau, I will get

[0:55:27] Voice 4: your name right one day.

[0:55:29] Voice 4: No worries.

[0:55:30] Voice 14: I'm in full

[0:55:31] Voice 14: agreement as well. I particularly

[0:55:33] Voice 14: enjoy looking

[0:55:35] Voice 14: over at Vancouver and seeing the lights

[0:55:37] Voice 14: and when I'm on the ferry, seeing Galeano

[0:55:39] Voice 14: and there's no light. There's a void,

[0:55:41] Voice 14: a darkness there. I appreciate

[0:55:43] Voice 14: that and I know that the animals do too.

[0:55:45] Voice 14: So I think this is a great

[0:55:49] Voice 14: motion

[0:55:49] Voice 14: to advance to Trust Council

[0:55:51] Voice 14: and have this discussion finally thank you thank you

[0:55:55] Voice 4: if only we could advocate vancouver to do the

[0:55:58] Voice 4: same um trustee fast i'm ready to make the motion when you're ready chair absolutely i'm just going

[0:56:07] Voice 4: to call one more time any further discussion go

[0:56:12] Voice 5: ahead trustee fast okay

[0:56:14] Trustee Fast: i move um that trust

[0:56:16] Trustee Fast: Trust Programs Committee, add a new directive policy. I don't have a number to put in it,

[0:56:27] Trustee Fast: but I'll just say add a new

[0:56:28] Voice 4: directive. It's actually written on the screen if you want to

[0:56:31] Voice 4: read the screen. Okay.

[0:56:33] Trustee Fast: I'll use what's written on the screen. I didn't mean to interrupt.

[0:56:42] Trustee Fast: That Trust Programs Committee recommend to Trust Council that concerns regarding light pollution

[0:56:47] Trustee Fast: in the trust area be addressed by adding a new directive policy in objective three

[0:56:53] Trustee Fast: directive policies ecosystem integrity 3.3.9 light pollution minimize light pollution through

[0:57:03] Trustee Fast: the application of dark sky principles thank

[0:57:08] Voice 4: you any changes to the wording not seeing any

[0:57:15] Voice 4: Do I have a seconder?

[0:57:17] Voice 4: Trustee Peterson, thank you.

[0:57:19] Voice 4: And I've already asked, but I'll ask again.

[0:57:21] Voice 4: Any further discussion or comments to the motion?

[0:57:26] Voice 4: Perfect.

[0:57:28] Voice 4: I'm going to call the vote.

[0:57:30] Voice 4: All those in favour?

[0:57:34] Trustee Fast: Our chair has frozen.

[0:57:35] Trustee Fast: And in the absence of a vice chair, let's just hang on.

[0:57:39] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:57:40] Trustee Fast: Chair, you froze.

[0:57:41] Trustee Fast: I'm the

[0:57:43] Voice 21: vice chair, Trustee Fast.

[0:57:45] Voice 21: But I think we'll just wait a moment.

[0:57:47] Voice 4: Sorry, apologies for that.

[0:57:48] Voice 4: I was calling the motion all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand

[0:57:58] Voice 4: I do apologize it seems today that I'm going to be having a few um in and outs here I'm going to

[0:58:07] Voice 4: ask any opposed not seeing any that is carried so if I do go offline it'll be for about it's

[0:58:15] Voice 4: normally only about uh three to five seconds but it seems today it's a little longer at about seven

[0:58:20] Voice 4: to eight seconds all right so moving on in the amended agenda we are now going to go to 7.4 which

[0:58:30] Voice 4: now is the policy statement amendment project definitions request for decision this is on page

[0:58:36] Voice 4: 56 of the agenda this um i believe staff yeomans also was the author of if i can turn it over to

[0:58:50] Voice 4: you for a walkthrough and introduction. Sure,

[0:58:54] Voice 1: thank you Chair Evans. This request

[0:58:57] Voice 1: for decision responds to a previous resolution of Trust Programs Committee requesting staff to add

[0:59:02] Voice 1: to the glossary of terms the following definitions recreational significance, active recreation,

[0:59:08] Voice 1: natural heritage sites and watersheds and add marine sections to the sensitive ecosystems

[0:59:15] Voice 1: section of the glossary of terms and to define all of those relevant terms.

[0:59:21] Voice 1: In appendices one and two to this request for decision, you will see staff's response to that request.

[0:59:29] Voice 1: We have provided you with definitions for active recreation, natural heritage sites, watersheds, and added a new one for groundwater regions, which is a new term that was introduced at a recent meeting of Trust Programs Committee that likely needs a definition.

[0:59:44] Voice 1: definition. We did not provide you with a definition of recreational significance for

[0:59:52] Voice 1: the reasoning that that is less a technical term than a

[1:00:00] Voice 1: political one like it's up to you and your communities really to decide what recreational

[1:00:04] Voice 1: significance means to you and we also did not add a marine section to this to the sensitive

[1:00:15] Voice 1: ecosystems definition in the glossary of terms for the reasons that we previously discussed on

[1:00:21] Voice 1: that moorage policy which is that we just don't have a sort of an easily referenced scientifically

[1:00:29] Voice 1: valid suite of what those sensitive marine ecosystems should be, recognizing that elsewhere

[1:00:35] Voice 1: in the policy statement, we have identified the areas that are of most importance at the

[1:00:42] Voice 1: current time, those being the eelgrass speds and the kelp forests and the estuaries and

[1:00:46] Voice 1: the mudflats and the tidal marshes and that sort of thing.

[1:00:50] Voice 1: So that is all.

[1:00:53] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:00:54] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:00:55] Voice 4: And I do remember that we had a discussion regarding the marine sections to the sensitive ecosystems at one of our previous meetings, and we thanked you for the explanation.

[1:01:06] Voice 4: And I believe that William Schauber was in that as well, and Staff Rater also had some items to discuss.

[1:01:14] Voice 4: So I think we were all on side with that.

[1:01:20] Voice 4: I'm going to open this up to the trustees.

[1:01:23] Voice 4: um i'm very happy with the four that you have provided does anyone have any objections to the

[1:01:32] Voice 4: other items not being but really it's really just a recreational significance piece um not having um

[1:01:39] Voice 4: a definition and does anybody have any up for the discussion on the new definitions in the language

[1:01:48] Voice 4: in there are we happy looks like thumbs up okay so uh do we need to make a motion to add these

[1:02:00] Voice 4: definitions to the uh the current glossary as provided by trustee peterson are you willing

[1:02:09] Voice 4: to make that motion yes

[1:02:12] Voice 21: chair i am i move that trust programs committee request staff to revise

[1:02:17] Voice 21: the glossary of terms in the draft new policy statement red line version by adding the

[1:02:22] Voice 21: recommended definitions in appendix one of the request for decision title policy statement

[1:02:27] Voice 21: amendment project definitions.

[1:02:31] Voice 4: Thank you. That's a mouthful. Any changes to the wording before I

[1:02:36] Voice 4: ask for a seconder? Not seeing any. May I have a seconder? Trustee Goverow. Did I get it right?

[1:02:47] Voice 4: yay thank you um any discussion or comments on the motion not seeing any i'm going to call the vote

[1:03:03] Voice 4: all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand are there any opposed

[1:03:13] Voice 4: seeing none that is carried thank you very much for your work staff humans all right so the next

[1:03:24] Voice 4: Next item that we're going to go to is the Policy Statement Amendment Project Part 4 Implementation Request for Decision.

[1:03:32] Voice 4: That's on page 148 of the agenda.

[1:03:36] Voice 4: I'll just wait for it to get there.

[1:03:50] Voice 14: Okay.

[1:03:51] Voice 4: And this was also provided by Staff Yeomans.

[1:03:55] Voice 4: So I'm going to turn this back over to you.

[1:03:59] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair Evans.

[1:04:03] Voice 1: It seems like ancient history now since I wrote this.

[1:04:06] Voice 1: And so I don't actually have any prepared remarks about it. I know that we presented and discussed this at the last meeting of Trust Programs Committee. And so I think staff's recommended changes to the implementation section still stand. Thank you.

[1:04:24] Voice 1: Thank

[1:04:26] Voice 4: you. So this was brought forward by Trustee Patrick Pryor to her appointment as chair. I'm not sure if she is on the call at the moment or she's not on the call right now. No, she's not.

[1:04:47] Voice 4: um so i did want to give her space because this was um she had a lot of thoughts and

[1:04:57] Voice 4: reasonings behind this and because this was brought forward while she was still

[1:05:01] Voice 4: just a trustee and not chair um so i'm not seeing her on the call i'm not she said she

[1:05:10] Voice 4: was going to be gone for an hour and a half this time when did she say she was going to be back

[1:05:14] Voice 4: does anybody know or remember i think she had it in an email i'm just wondering if we pause

[1:05:21] Voice 4: this discussion um seph rita at

[1:05:27] Voice 15: 9 45 she said she'd be gone for about in and out for the next

[1:05:31] Voice 15: hour and a half is what she said she's

[1:05:33] Voice 4: going to be in and out okay well if she comes back in

[1:05:37] Voice 4: then we can give her the floor and if she doesn't then we can continue on with the conversation here

[1:05:42] Voice 4: all right so does anyone have any comments or discussion on what staff have proposed here

[1:05:53] Voice 4: there's there was quite a bit so we can maybe start with the first point which is a context

[1:06:00] Voice 4: statements so we had a discussion earlier in a previous meeting with regards to some of the

[1:06:10] Voice 4: the context statements, and this is on page 15 of appendix one. So staff have provided

[1:06:28] Voice 4: some reasoning in here, if we scroll down a little bit to the next page, it'll show

[1:06:41] Voice 4: staff's staff's position. And oh, I am just trying to remember how this was written, the

[1:06:54] Trustee Fast: The red line version starts page 155.

[1:06:57] Trustee Fast: Maybe that would be easiest to look at.

[1:06:59] Voice 4: Yes, I was just getting there.

[1:07:02] Voice 4: Let's do that.

[1:07:09] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:07:10] Voice 4: So I didn't have any issue with the way the red lining was done.

[1:07:16] Voice 4: I just wanted to make sure how this was all implemented.

[1:07:19] Voice 4: So we've got context statements.

[1:07:22] Voice 4: We're in the context statements section in the red line version.

[1:07:27] Voice 4: Steph Yeomans?

[1:07:29] Voice 1: Sure.

[1:07:30] Voice 1: Sure. Thank you, Chair. Maybe I'll just briefly walk through this. So the first change here is

[1:07:39] Voice 1: moving the organizational policy alignment of the policy statement up in this document. Currently,

[1:07:46] Voice 1: it was living below the statutory bylaw approval process section. And I think there was sort of a

[1:07:49] Voice 1: consensus decision at the table that we should foreground the fact that the policy statement

[1:07:55] Voice 1: does in fact influence all aspects of the Islands Trust operations

[1:08:01] Voice 1: and not just the local trust committee

[1:08:04] Voice 1: and island municipality bylaw review and approval process.

[1:08:07] Voice 7: So

[1:08:08] Voice 1: we bumped up the organizational policy alignment section.

[1:08:11] Voice 1: And then we have done our best, I think,

[1:08:17] Voice 1: to capture the items that were identified in Trustee Patrick's,

[1:08:25] Voice 1: I mean, it's Trust Programs Committee's resolution, not Trustee Patrick's, but I think she was the most enthusiastic about it.

[1:08:32] Voice 1: We've tried to capture those here in the potential development of a policy statement implementation plan.

[1:08:40] Voice 1: We don't try and create the plan within the policy statement itself.

[1:08:45] Voice 1: That's work that's going to have to be done externally to the policy statement is to figure out what the implementation of this document is going to look like.

[1:08:52] Voice 1: And that's going to be, I think, quite a detailed or, yeah, an important conversation at Trust Council.

[1:09:00] Voice 1: What do you want to happen to the policy statement once it's adopted?

[1:09:04] Voice 7: And

[1:09:04] Voice 1: so we have tried in this bulleted list here to capture the items that could go into such a plan.

[1:09:12] Voice 1: And that includes many of the things that Trustee Patrick identified, although we didn't identify context statements specifically.

[1:09:20] Voice 1: And I'm not sure whether the trustees will recall in the previous discussion that we had about this, staff were conflating a more narrative form of directive policy checklist with a context statement, because they essentially have the same effect, which is, how did you address this policy in your document?

[1:09:43] Voice 1: But I'm not sure ultimately whether Trustee Patrick agreed with that perception by staff. And so I think it would be useful perhaps if she does return to this conversation to understand a little more whether she sees those as two separate documents or two separate things.

[1:10:02] Voice 1: but thanks I'm just trying to think if there's anything else to note no I think the the

[1:10:10] Voice 1: implementation section will still remain fairly brief and it just points to the development of

[1:10:16] Voice 1: a future plan which will spell out what will happen to the document once it's adopted thanks

[1:10:21] Voice 1: thank

[1:10:22] Voice 4: you yes thank you for the reminder of because I'm trying to pull in all the conversations that

[1:10:31] Voice 4: we've had on this and i think there was an agreement that the um the context statement

[1:10:37] Voice 4: that should be a separate um separate motion because that is affecting the directives

[1:10:48] Voice 4: checklist because we're going to change from directives only checklist to directives checklist

[1:10:53] Voice 4: list so i think that that needs to be a separate um motion um which tied into the updated uh that

[1:11:05] Voice 4: was point two um so in the revised implementation part four section we have now um some language

[1:11:18] Voice 4: with regards to agreements with governments and agencies. I think the only thing that we don't

[1:11:28] Voice 4: really see, and this is important, is that... Let me just go back down here. So we've got the targets

[1:11:38] Voice 4: and indicators. This is part of the implementation plan, which is going to include all of these

[1:11:42] Voice 4: pieces. So do we? Yeah, there are the agreements. So I see the agreements, I see the targets and

[1:12:00] Voice 4: indicators, and the other two have to be a separate motion. Okay, thank you. That was me just

[1:12:10] Voice 4: out loud organizing my brain. So the second two have been addressed, the first two have not.

[1:12:19] Voice 4: So let's deal with the second two. Discussions on the revised wording now in the implementation section part four of the policy statement.

[1:12:31] Voice 4: How do people feel about the way that this has been revised and the inclusion of a little bit more expansive policy statement implementation plan, the elements that need to be included in the plan versus it's not really getting into a plan.

[1:12:53] Voice 4: I like the way that this is written out. I think it's clearer. I think it flows in the right order and it touches on the elements that have to be included.

[1:13:05] Voice 4: So I support these changes.

[1:13:07] Voice 4: Does anyone else have anything to say or any discussion?

[1:13:12] Voice 4: Trustee Gast.

[1:13:15] Trustee Fast: You're muted.

[1:13:19] Trustee Fast: Sorry.

[1:13:20] Trustee Fast: I thank you, Chair.

[1:13:22] Trustee Fast: I too support these changes.

[1:13:25] Trustee Fast: I think it's a draft and we should advance it, even if Trustee Patrick isn't here to speak to it.

[1:13:34] Trustee Fast: She's only here on this committee as ex officio anyway.

[1:13:37] Trustee Fast: way and we'll get a chance to speak to it later in the process including at trust council i think

[1:13:43] Trustee Fast: it's important that we advance this uh good work uh to think about it as a living plan and make

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: sure everybody who reads the draft also uh sees that it's going to be a living uh plan and what

[1:13:59] Trustee Fast: will happen to the document once it's adopted uh as jason yeomans put it uh so i'm in support

[1:14:04] Trustee Fast: thank you thank

[1:14:07] Voice 4: you any further discussion okay would somebody like to then move the motion

[1:14:17] Voice 4: for the where are we there we go trustee fast uh

[1:14:27] Trustee Fast: happy to move it um i move that trust programs

[1:14:30] Trustee Fast: committee revise part four implementation of the draft policy statement in accordance with

[1:14:35] Trustee Fast: appendix two of the request for decision titled policy statement amendment project part four

[1:14:40] Trustee Fast: implementation in the trust programs committee agenda of may 7th 2025 thank you any changes to

[1:14:49] Voice 4: the wording not seeing any can i call a seconder trustee elliott thank you any further discussion

[1:15:00] Voice 4: and i would like to call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please

[1:15:11] Voice 4: please lower your hand. Are there any opposed? Seeing none, that carries. So I just have a

[1:15:23] Voice 4: question because the first items, one and two, the contact statements and an updated directives

[1:15:33] Voice 4: checklist, I don't want these to die on the vine. Where should these be moved to?

[1:15:40] Voice 4: two, because I don't think they're appropriate necessarily here, or I don't know if they're

[1:15:50] Voice 4: appropriate here. So I'm going to ask staff what their

[1:15:55] Voice 4: recommendation is.

[1:15:56] Voice 4: Well,

[1:15:57] Voice 1: I'll just note that the second bullet, an updated directives checklist, is already reflected

[1:16:04] Voice 1: in the staff-recommended changes that this body just endorsed. It just isn't called the directives

[1:16:13] Voice 1: checklist. It's just called an assessment tool by which executive committee will evaluate local

[1:16:19] Voice 1: trust committee bylaws. So we just haven't, we haven't used the term directives checklist in that

[1:16:23] Voice 1: bullet point. And then the context statements, I'm not sure what to say about that. I think it is

[1:16:31] Voice 1: up to Trustee Patrick to continue to advocate for it if that is something that she continues

[1:16:37] Voice 1: used to feel strongly about.

[1:16:39] Voice 4: So I do very briefly say again, just the highlights.

[1:16:52] Voice 21: Sorry, we missed you. Yeah, you froze. I

[1:16:55] Voice 4: was just saying I froze. I missed what you said.

[1:16:58] Voice 4: Could you very briefly give me the highlights?

[1:17:01] Voice 1: Sure. So the second bullet point, an updated

[1:17:06] Voice 1: directives only checklist is already addressed in the revisions to the implementation section that

[1:17:12] Voice 1: this body just endorsed. We just didn't call it a directives checklist. We called it a revised

[1:17:17] Voice 1: assessment tool. So that one's already taken care of. And as for the context statements, I think

[1:17:24] Voice 1: it's, I don't know if you need to sort of warehouse it anywhere in the meantime,

[1:17:28] Voice 1: or if it's just up to Trustee Patrick to continue to advocate for it, if that's something that

[1:17:32] Voice 1: she feels strongly about.

[1:17:34] Voice 4: Could we just pass a motion to say that we would like this element

[1:17:41] Voice 4: and brought back to a future trust programs committee meeting for discussion would that

[1:17:50] Voice 4: be appropriate because then it's not lost staff rater um

[1:17:57] Voice 15: at this time this is intended to be sort

[1:17:59] Voice 15: of the last editing session of trust programs committee because after this the document travels

[1:18:03] Voice 15: off to if should you conclude your work today this document then travels off to committee of

[1:18:08] Voice 15: the whole and then ideally to trust council for first reading right

[1:18:12] Voice 4: but i think that this might

[1:18:12] Voice 4: live outside of the trust policy statement itself i think this i think this belongs in a uh supporting

[1:18:20] Voice 4: document then

[1:18:22] Voice 15: certainly yes

[1:18:23] Voice 4: okay so um would somebody like to make that motion or um i i

[1:18:31] Voice 4: generally don't like to make motions as the chair would somebody be willing to make that motion for

[1:18:37] Voice 4: me if not i will do it okay um then i move that um trust programs committee request staff to bring

[1:19:02] Voice 4: um what's the wording here to bring um in open quotes context statements similar to those used

[1:19:13] Voice 4: used in regional growth strategies, end quotes.

[1:19:23] Voice 4: Context statements similar to those

[1:19:32] Voice 4: used in regional growth strategies,

[1:19:40] Voice 4: and those are capitalized, yeah.

[1:19:44] Voice 4: End quotes, discussion to a future

[1:19:54] Voice 4: Trust Programs Committee meeting, future meeting.

[1:20:07] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:20:10] Voice 4: So I'm just going to read that,

[1:20:11] Voice 4: that Trust Programs Committee request to have to bring contact statements similar to those used in JTBC.

[1:20:18] Voice 4: Do I need to reference this agenda?

[1:20:22] Voice 4: Would that make it clearer?

[1:20:29] Voice 4: Yes, I'm going to maybe add.

[1:20:34] Voice 4: So after end quotes, I'm going to say,

[1:20:41] Voice 4: say in the Trust Programs Committee agenda of May 7th, 2025. May 7th, 2025. Oh, okay. You've got

[1:21:03] Voice 4: 29. But I think it was in there as well. Yes, we could we could say May 29th, because it is this

[1:21:11] Voice 4: one. And we can identify page 150. I think that makes it very clear. Does anybody have any changes

[1:21:32] Voice 4: which is to the wording here.

[1:21:41] Voice 4: Trustee Peterson.

[1:21:44] Voice 21: Thank you, Chair.

[1:21:45] Voice 21: It just reads a little odd.

[1:21:47] Voice 21: I don't know if we need the word discussion after page 150.

[1:21:52] Voice 4: For discussion, or whatever, sure.

[1:21:58] Voice 4: Yep, that's fine.

[1:22:00] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:22:04] Voice 4: Okay, may I have a seconder for the motion?

[1:22:11] Voice 4: Trustee Peterson, thank you.

[1:22:15] Voice 4: Any discussion or comments?

[1:22:18] Voice 4: Trustee Fast.

[1:22:18] Voice 4: asked um i

[1:22:21] Trustee Fast: uh i'm neutral about this as as a municipality within the regional district uh

[1:22:29] Trustee Fast: it is useful to have a look at their regional growth strategy but it doesn't bind the trust

[1:22:36] Trustee Fast: i guess my question is uh well this is is it clear in this motion that this is outside the

[1:22:48] Trustee Fast: the trust policy statement, because I wouldn't want people to assume that it was going to be

[1:22:55] Trustee Fast: inside and have this delay it some way. Sorry, I wasn't quick enough before a second.

[1:23:03] Voice 4: No worries.

[1:23:05] Trustee Fast: I guess it is. Reference the trust policy statement. So I'll just lower my hand, but I'm just

[1:23:13] Trustee Fast: wondering if that isn't more of a regional group or is that for the trust programs committee or

[1:23:21] Trustee Fast: and the Regional Planning Committee.

[1:23:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:23:25] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:23:26] Voice 4: And just quickly to answer that question,

[1:23:28] Voice 4: that would be the discussion.

[1:23:30] Voice 4: Does it belong here?

[1:23:30] Voice 4: Does it belong somewhere else?

[1:23:32] Voice 4: That could very simply be the discussion at that point.

[1:23:36] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott?

[1:23:39] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:23:40] Voice 10: Similar to Trustee Fast, this is a tricky one

[1:23:45] Voice 10: because it needs input from, I would say,

[1:23:50] Voice 10: a regional planning committee and potentially executive committee um so i'm not sure if trust

[1:23:55] Voice 10: programs is a fit but it's come out of the discussion of the policy statement so i'm

[1:24:03] Voice 10: satisfied that it would come back to trust programs committee and maybe redirected to

[1:24:07] Voice 10: a more appropriate body at that time that

[1:24:10] Voice 4: is the intent um trustee peterson yeah

[1:24:16] Voice 21: i was just going

[1:24:16] Voice 21: going to say similar that the intent here is to not let this disappear so by bringing it back to

[1:24:24] Voice 21: ourselves then we can put more time and energy into it when we have maybe a smaller agenda and

[1:24:31] Voice 4: i also didn't want to eat up too much time now deciding where it should go and how it should go

[1:24:36] Voice 4: and all the rest of it and everything that would be needed i'd rather have that conversation after

[1:24:39] Voice 4: the fact and keep this conversation short today that is my reasoning any other discussion i will

[1:24:50] Voice 4: call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand any opposed

[1:25:03] Voice 4: trustee graham you're opposed sorry

[1:25:07] Voice 22: i'm having connectivity problems i am not opposed okay

[1:25:11] Voice 4: was that a vote was that meant to be a vote in favor trustee graham you're muted i'm not sure

[1:25:22] Voice 4: that

[1:25:22] Voice 22: was a vote in favor thank you

[1:25:24] Voice 4: perfect thank you uh just for clarification on the vote that was

[1:25:28] Voice 4: i believe that was a unanimous vote in favor and none opposed that carries thank you very much

[1:25:34] Voice 4: everybody for your time i'm going to now um our next item on the agenda is 7.4 policy statement

[1:25:43] Voice 4: amendment project copy edits request for decision which is on page 29 i'm going to ask because we

[1:25:49] Voice 4: We are doing a quick rush through all of this, and this is going to be some heavy conversation.

[1:25:54] Voice 4: Does anybody need a quick bio break?

[1:25:56] Voice 4: We

[1:25:56] Voice 5: can have

[1:25:58] Voice 4: a five-minute break.

[1:26:01] Voice 4: No, we're good to carry on, or is that a thumbs up if you want a break?

[1:26:06] Trustee Fast: I like breaks.

[1:26:08] Voice 20: Let's take a break.

[1:26:09] Voice 4: We will take, okay, we're going to take a quick eight-minute break.

[1:26:16] Voice 4: Let's come back at 10.35.

[1:26:20] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:26:21] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:26:21] Voice 8: Okay. If I can have staff just

[1:26:30] Voice 4: put on the screen that we're having a brief recess, we'll be back at 10.35. That'd be

[1:26:36] Voice 8: great. Thank you.

[1:33:51] Voice 8: Okey-dokey.

[1:33:54] Voice 8: I'll be all back.

[1:33:57] Voice 4: Still missing a few people.

[1:33:58] Voice 4: Okay, we

[1:34:17] Voice 5: need two more people for quorum.

[1:34:23] Voice 11: One, we need one more person for quorum.

[1:34:39] Voice 4: So as soon as you're back, if you could speak out and let us know that you're here.

[1:34:45] Voice 4: We need one more person.

[1:34:49] Voice 3: I am here.

[1:34:50] Voice 4: You're here, perfect.

[1:34:51] Voice 4: Okay, so that gives us quorum, that gives us six people.

[1:34:57] Voice 4: So one, two, three, four, five, six.

[1:35:04] Voice 4: Perfect.

[1:35:05] Voice 4: All right. So the next item in the agenda, as I said, is the copy edits. And that is on page 29 of the agenda. And if we can, so I'm going to, Staff Yeomans, I want to just give a quick brief as to the staff edits, and then we can get into them.

[1:35:38] Voice 4: Yes,

[1:35:40] Voice 1: thank you, Chair Evans. This is an unsolicited contribution to the agenda from staff, primarily on the basis that we felt it important that as we go into first reading of the document, and as we go into community engagement around the document, that trustees and our community be engaging with the policy content of the thing,

[1:36:03] Voice 1: and not identifying spelling errors or grammatical errors and all of that sort of stuff that would

[1:36:08] Voice 1: be a distraction from the real conversation that we want to be happening. And so, as you see from

[1:36:14] Voice 1: the copy edits, we didn't anonymize them. Claire and Morgana and I all took a trip through it,

[1:36:19] Voice 1: as well as a few other key staff, both with an eye towards copy edits and an eye towards

[1:36:25] Voice 1: implementability of some policies as well. Anything that we determined that was above

[1:36:31] Voice 1: and beyond a copy edit, we've included in late agenda item 7.7 today, which was just a couple

[1:36:38] Voice 1: substantial items of where either a new policy or the content of the existing policy is recommended

[1:36:45] Voice 1: to change. But other than that, we feel that most of what we are suggesting here today in these copy

[1:36:50] Voice 1: edits, or indeed all of what we're suggesting, should be considered minor and are for the purpose

[1:36:54] Voice 1: of providing greater clarity or accuracy or consistency within the document. Thank you.

[1:37:03] Voice 4: Thank you. And just for clarification, it wasn't entirely unsolicited. You did request

[1:37:08] Voice 4: at the previous meeting if it would be a good idea for you to do so, and we concurred.

[1:37:13] Voice 4: So I would like to clarify it was not staff unsolicited action. It was endorsed by this

[1:37:20] Voice 4: council even though this committee even though it wasn't um endorsed via resolution okay thank you

[1:37:27] Voice 1: for that reminder chair no

[1:37:28] Voice 4: problem okay so um staff rita uh

[1:37:34] Voice 15: yes just one addition if you could

[1:37:35] Voice 15: if i could just ask um senior policy right humans to scroll down a little bit just to the past the

[1:37:40] Voice 15: acknowledgement part there you just went past it i just want to note for the committee just for

[1:37:44] Voice 15: your knowledge we'll be advising trust council as well uh in the preparation for the referrals

[1:37:49] Voice 15: referrals for this project. We've run through what's called the consultative area database again

[1:37:54] Voice 15: to just confirm the referrals list. As a result of doing that, we've identified four new nations

[1:37:58] Voice 15: that the Alms Trust should be referring to, three or more for the northern region, and there is also

[1:38:04] Voice 15: Lemme Nation from the U.S. So just wanted to draw that to everyone's attention. We'll be providing

[1:38:09] Voice 15: that through my director's report to Trust Council, and we'll be providing it to all staff

[1:38:13] Voice 15: around shifting our referral lists. But now we have 31 nations. So just wanted to bring that to

[1:38:18] Voice 15: your attention, and we will all be reaching out to those nations to introduce ourselves and set

[1:38:22] Voice 15: up a referral process with each of them. Thank you. Thank

[1:38:26] Voice 4: you. I'm going to just go through this.

[1:38:32] Voice 4: I know this is going to take a little bit of time. I'm going to go through this basically quite

[1:38:38] Voice 4: relatively quickly, page by page, and see if anyone has any issues. So does anyone have any

[1:38:46] Voice 4: issues with page one seeing none anybody have any issues on page two seeing none any issues on page

[1:38:56] Voice 4: three seeing none i have a question though um is everybody okay changing objectives to goals

[1:39:05] Voice 4: is that it is everyone's good with that no issues okay moving on next page um so in here

[1:39:18] Voice 4: Here we're looking to italicize an entire sentence.

[1:39:24] Voice 4: I prefer not to have sentences italicized.

[1:39:29] Voice 4: Once you start italicizing sections that you feel are important, it diminishes other sections.

[1:39:37] Voice 4: And then it can get a little overwhelming.

[1:39:39] Voice 4: Once that's set up and it becomes a precedent in a document,

[1:39:46] Voice 4: I'm not in favor of italicizing sections.

[1:39:50] Voice 4: Trustee Fast?

[1:39:53] Trustee Fast: Just from a sometimes copywriter point of view, italicizing a title or a proper

[1:40:00] Trustee Fast: name or a quote is acceptable. And so I think that might be what they're trying to get at here

[1:40:08] Trustee Fast: is to define it as a quote, as per the Canadian Style Guide. Over.

[1:40:14] Voice 1: Sorry, I'm just going to

[1:40:16] Voice 1: interject here, Chair, because you can't see my raised hand while I'm sharing the screen.

[1:40:19] Voice 1: I mean, so where it says italicized, that is actually pointing just to the act as opposed to the whole sentence.

[1:40:28] Voice 1: And I should have said at the outset that we've presented our recommended copy edits in this way rather than doing them as tracked changes within the document,

[1:40:38] Voice 1: argument because we didn't want to conflate the changes that Trust Programs Committee and

[1:40:43] Voice 1: Committee of the Whole have already recommended or are going to be recommending to Trust Council to

[1:40:48] Voice 1: make with our recommended copy edits. So we've done them in the sidebar comment section, which

[1:40:55] Voice 1: is not the most elegant way to do it. And so there may be a few other items that come up in this

[1:41:01] Voice 1: discussion where it's unclear where our arrow is pointing. And so in this case, it was just

[1:41:07] Voice 1: pointing to the act as opposed to the whole phrase.

[1:41:09] Voice 4: No worries. And in that case, I do not

[1:41:11] Voice 4: support italicizing act. I do support italicizing the Islands Trust Act because that is the name.

[1:41:19] Voice 4: Act is not the name. So if you are going to abbreviate it, I would say I would put Islands

[1:41:25] Voice 4: Trust Act and then in brackets act so that people know that that is the act that is being referenced.

[1:41:32] Voice 4: referenced. Otherwise, I would spell out Islands Trust Act and keep that italicized, but not

[1:41:40] Voice 4: italicize the word act.

[1:41:42] Voice 1: You will be happy to know that our Director of Legislative Services picked

[1:41:47] Voice 1: up that already and has asked that rather than calling it the act anywhere, we call it the

[1:41:52] Voice 1: Islands Trust Act. So there's no confusion about what act we are referring to. Brilliant. Thank

[1:41:58] Voice 4: thank you. I am very much on board with that. So the next piece in the section is replacing

[1:42:03] Voice 4: that sentence with a new sentence. I don't know how I feel about that. This is our regular

[1:42:19] Voice 4: sentence that says the Islands Trust is a federated body responsible for protecting

[1:42:25] Voice 4: the Islands Trust area. It's unique amenities and environment. Trust areas is comprised of

[1:42:30] Voice 4: the islands blah blah blah so it's it's our it's our standard text are people happy with replacing

[1:42:36] Voice 4: the islands the the act establishes the islands trust as a special purpose government i'd be happy

[1:42:43] Voice 4: swapping that language out like is is one preferred over the other there's no comment

[1:42:56] Trustee Fast: trustee fast i'm in support of this change because it uh it doesn't just repeat the

[1:43:05] Trustee Fast: the act, it, it, it updates it. I think it's, it's more, um, uh, descriptive, uh, with the area

[1:43:15] Trustee Fast: and, uh, and it is more descriptive of the, um, the way the trust works these days. Thank you.

[1:43:23] Voice 4: Yeah. Um, so great. All right. Happy. Let's carry on. Let's go to the next page.

[1:43:30] Voice 4: So there is an updated map, and I'm just going to ask staff, this is the new and improved map that we're using going forward?

[1:43:40] Voice 1: Yes,

[1:43:41] Voice 4: thank you, Chair.

[1:43:42] Voice 1: So up to this point, there's just been a placeholder here in this note that says we'll replace it with something better.

[1:43:48] Voice 1: This is our something better.

[1:43:50] Voice 1: You'll note in the text explaining what we were going to replace it with.

[1:43:54] Voice 1: We were going to try and combine both the local trust areas and the territories of Indigenous

[1:44:00] Voice 1: governing bodies with interests in the Islands Trust Area. That proved to be a bit of an

[1:44:05] Voice 1: overwhelming mapping exercise and so we are still working on developing a complementary map. So this

[1:44:13] Voice 1: map just shows the local trust areas and Island municipalities. We're working on a complementary

[1:44:17] Voice 1: map that reflects Indigenous governing bodies' territory in a way that is going to be acceptable

[1:44:25] Voice 1: to them, essentially, which is we're trying not to draw any hard edges to things and reflect the

[1:44:32] Voice 1: overlapping and sort of moving reality of that.

[1:44:38] Voice 4: Perfect. Thank you very much. Does anyone have

[1:44:41] Voice 4: any other comments on this page? Not seeing any, let's move on to the next page. Does anyone have

[1:44:51] Voice 4: comments on this page i have a few um the third bullet where it's removing the word the in front

[1:45:00] Voice 4: of islands trust council i'm not sure if uh like i think it reads okay either way never mind i

[1:45:12] Voice 4: retract that and the regarding the act has already been taken care of um the next um suggestion of

[1:45:21] Voice 4: of removing the word more specific i think that that is actually good language to keep so it's

[1:45:31] Voice 4: it's which in turn guides the development of more specific official community plans that is a true

[1:45:39] Voice 4: statement um so i think i would keep that rather than deleting it would be my preference does

[1:45:49] Voice 4: Does anyone have other feelings on that?

[1:45:53] Voice 4: Not seeing that anyone has any different feelings.

[1:46:02] Voice 4: So I would then like to reject comment MVN 20.

[1:46:09] Voice 4: And the next one is, this is gonna be hard.

[1:46:24] Voice 4: So it's bullet number two.

[1:46:26] Voice 4: So the three types of policies in the policy statement,

[1:46:29] Voice 4: bullet number two, I believe it is.

[1:46:31] Voice 4: okay um

[1:46:34] Voice 4: where it says replace islands trust uh okay what are we placing oh no so it's bullet

[1:46:43] Voice 4: number one that um islands please be replaced with islands trust council islands trust executive

[1:46:50] Voice 4: committee local trust committees and island municipalities we're missing the conservancy

[1:46:56] Voice 4: we're missing other things that may come up in the future i think we should remain islands trust

[1:47:01] Voice 4: bodies because should something else come up in the future that body is included and it would

[1:47:08] Voice 4: require a lot of a lot more text islands trust bodies is abbreviated and will hold clarity

[1:47:17] Voice 4: going forward trustee fast

[1:47:22] Trustee Fast: coming from the bowen island municipality i think it may and

[1:47:30] Trustee Fast: And Bowen Island Municipality doesn't identify itself as an Islands Trust body, and I think it might add confusion.

[1:47:38] Trustee Fast: I prefer the words, I think the words that staff are suggesting here are clearer, and Islands Trust Conservancy I think is a part of Islands Trust, I'm not sure.

[1:47:50] Trustee Fast: But I think they're closer linked and confusion around Ireland's trust conservancy would be easier to diffuse than ongoing doubt being seeded about the membership of Bowen Island Municipality.

[1:48:10] Trustee Fast: Better to include it specifically.

[1:48:13] Trustee Fast: So I'm in favour of the staff wording proposed.

[1:48:18] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:48:19] Trustee Fast: you

[1:48:20] Voice 4: um i would then propose a slight revision saying islands trust bodies and island municipalities

[1:48:28] Trustee Fast: i see trustee uh sorry manager freighter's hand is up

[1:48:32] Voice 4: yes uh staff reader um

[1:48:35] Voice 15: thank you the policy

[1:48:36] Voice 15: statement does not apply to the conservancy they're guided by their own five-year plan

[1:48:40] Voice 15: endorsed by the minister so hence

[1:48:42] Voice 15: the need for that clarity here by by if you said trust bodies

[1:48:45] Voice 15: you're including them and that is not to be the intent because you don't the council's guiding

[1:48:50] Voice 15: principles don't have any effect or authority on the conservancy board so that's part of the

[1:48:55] Voice 15: rationale the other one was to highlight island municipalities which are not trust bodies

[1:49:01] Voice 4: okay so that's that's good clarification then so the the point here is to exclude

[1:49:06] Voice 4: the conservancy and include islands trust municipalities so this is actually then for

[1:49:12] Voice 4: clarity yes and and accuracy okay thank you very much for that um so no issue there um my next one

[1:49:25] Voice 4: is i'm trying to see where this goes um so this is uh i believe staff yeomans 25

[1:49:39] Voice 4: at are integral to carrying out the island's trust object and that where is that going

[1:49:46] Voice 7: sure read

[1:49:48] Voice 4: the number of

[1:49:50] Trustee Fast: the comment having

[1:49:52] Voice 4: trouble finding it uh this was uh staff yeomans uh number

[1:49:57] Voice 4: 25 so jy25 i'm just trying to follow which one this is going to so delete that okay so it'll

[1:50:05] Voice 4: read part three of the policy statement of brackets are policies that are integral to

[1:50:12] Voice 4: to carrying out the earnest trust object and that.

[1:50:17] Voice 4: Okay, I

[1:50:20] Voice 5: think I get it.

[1:50:20] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:50:21] Voice 1: so it, I'll just say briefly here, Chair Evans,

[1:50:24] Voice 1: it takes the sentence that is currently

[1:50:26] Voice 1: in between point two and point three.

[1:50:31] Voice 6: I see.

[1:50:32] Voice 1: And adds it to item two and removes it

[1:50:38] Voice 1: from sort of just hanging out there

[1:50:40] Voice 1: in the middle between two and three.

[1:50:41] Voice 1: um

[1:50:42] Voice 4: okay then i so then you're making it only applicable to directive policies and not

[1:50:48] Voice 4: applicable to guiding policies but i think that uh so the guiding principles are not policies

[1:50:56] Voice 4: so i'm wondering um i think this was meant to be applicable to both originally

[1:51:03] Voice 7: um

[1:51:04] Voice 4: so but the way that guiding principles has been written is they're intended to establish

[1:51:08] Voice 4: established general commitments, and the second one are integral. So okay, I see where you were

[1:51:13] Voice 4: going. And I will be supportive of that. So thank you so much.

[1:51:18] Voice 1: Again, this is the hazard of the

[1:51:20] Voice 1: margin comments rather than a track changes version for you. So yeah,

[1:51:24] Voice 4: no worries. The next

[1:51:27] Voice 4: The next one that I had a comment on was MVN28.

[1:51:34] Voice 4: Let me just see what that one is going to.

[1:51:39] Voice 4: Is that removing the as listed in?

[1:51:43] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:51:46] Voice 4: And then there is a second one with a second set of delete.

[1:51:52] Voice 4: Is that applying to select goals of?

[1:52:00] Voice 4: Because that doesn't make sense.

[1:52:03] Voice 4: so part three are policies expressing trust council i'm like no these are expressing the

[1:52:09] Voice 4: select goals of trust council i think that that should stay if

[1:52:15] Voice 1: you can bear with me for a moment

[1:52:16] Voice 1: maybe i will open up my word version on a separate screen here so that i can see exactly where

[1:52:21] Voice 1: the arrow points it

[1:52:26] Trustee Fast: looks like instead of select goals of trust council it might mean

[1:52:29] Trustee Fast: themes important to trust counsel 29 it's

[1:52:37] Voice 4: hard to tell what's going on she might have done that yes

[1:52:45] Voice 4: so um are policies expressing themes important to trust counsel i don't know that that they're

[1:52:52] Voice 4: necessarily themes if we're calling them goals if we're changing them from objectives to goals

[1:52:57] Voice 4: they are goals so they should remain as goals but this is advisory policies but it's still

[1:53:10] Voice 4: advancing the goals even though they're advisory they're still advancing the goals of trust council

[1:53:15] Voice 4: not themes important to you can

[1:53:20] Voice 1: you remind me chair which number are we um

[1:53:23] Voice 4: we're uh

[1:53:25] Voice 4: sort of now also it's it's between mvn 28 and yours 29 okay right

[1:53:49] Voice 1: so 28

[1:53:53] Voice 1: deletes the as listed in so it'll just say bracket part three of the policy statement

[1:54:02] Voice 1: And then, yes, my 29 replaces select goals of with themes important to because the yes, the goals of trust counsel are already expressed elsewhere in the policy statement.

[1:54:20] Voice 1: You are like the the five primary goals are the select are the goals of trust counsel.

[1:54:26] Voice 1: The advisory policies are not the goals of trust counsel.

[1:54:29] Voice 1: They are themes important to trust counsel.

[1:54:32] Voice 1: But

[1:54:34] Voice 4: they're still under the major heading of goal. So they are still, while they're an advisory policy, there is still a goal of Trust Council. And they are, in order to advance that goal, they're being requested that they be considered or looked at. So it's still to move the goals forward. It is not just a theme.

[1:55:04] Voice 4: Staff Rater, you've got your hand up.

[1:55:06] Voice 15: I wonder if it could read advisory policies or policies that advance goals of trust council.

[1:55:14] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:55:16] Voice 15: Would that work?

[1:55:21] Voice 4: Well, because they're advisory, they don't necessarily advance.

[1:55:25] Voice 15: Well, that's it. So I think because they're discretionary, they may or may not ever be taken up by local trust committees.

[1:55:31] Voice 15: There might be an advisory policy that never has any effect because no local trust committee or municipality chooses to use it.

[1:55:37] Voice 15: so um trying to think of another way but

[1:55:41] Voice 4: it still addresses a goal it is still a goal of trust

[1:55:44] Voice 4: council it is not a it's not being mandated as directive but it is still a goal if

[1:55:53] Voice 15: i might

[1:55:54] Voice 15: respond chair i think because we're using the goal earlier in the document now in place of

[1:55:58] Voice 15: objectives as you saw at the very beginning of the document i don't want to muddle the big

[1:56:02] Voice 15: overarching goals with the you know that term that we're using for the really big objectives

[1:56:08] Voice 15: with the themes or the um subject matter that's addressed through advisory policies i would

[1:56:13] Voice 15: recommend against that so what about

[1:56:15] Voice 4: using the word objective then you

[1:56:20] Voice 15: could say that advanced

[1:56:20] Voice 15: objectives of trust council that might work

[1:56:24] Voice 4: because a theme is very vague and broad

[1:56:29] Voice 4: broad,

[1:56:30] Voice 6: an

[1:56:31] Voice 4: objective narrows it down. And I think that even though they're advisory policies,

[1:56:35] Voice 4: they are specific. They're not vague. They are specific. So I think we can say that there's

[1:56:41] Voice 4: still an objective then if you want to take the word goal out.

[1:56:45] Voice 15: I'm going to look to Senior Policy

[1:56:46] Voice 15: Advisor Eumanns, what he thinks of that.

[1:56:54] Voice 1: So how would it read? It would read,

[1:56:56] Voice 1: are policies expressing select objectives of trust counsel? Yeah.

[1:57:06] Voice 4: I think it's an improvement

[1:57:07] Voice 1: over goals yeah

[1:57:08] Voice 4: i agree i see trustee peterson has his hand up sure

[1:57:16] Voice 21: i was looking at this and

[1:57:17] Voice 21: trying to think of uh an alternative um so i was thinking that perhaps it'd work to say

[1:57:24] Voice 21: uh our policy is important to trust council uh i i think when we get into the

[1:57:38] Voice 21: the wordsmithing here it's always a little tricky but I wondered if that might achieve

[1:57:47] Voice 21: the desired effect I

[1:57:51] Voice 4: think because these are very specific using the word select

[1:57:58] Voice 4: so they're expressing select particular items we missed most

[1:58:19] Voice 21: of that for that whole statement

[1:58:20] Voice 21: No

[1:58:21] Voice 4: worries. I would again caution by changing it to policies that are important to Trust Council. You've made it vague again. These advisory policies are very specific. We have gone to pains to identify and address them.

[1:58:39] Voice 4: So I would again say that they are select because we have selected them, and they are objectives.

[1:58:48] Voice 4: We do want to see these items move forward, but we either cannot or should not make them directive.

[1:59:02] Voice 4: So, Trustee Peterson?

[1:59:06] Voice 21: Yeah, I guess I find select objectives a little clunky.

[1:59:12] Voice 21: key i'd be happier with it no select just objectives but that's my thought sure

[1:59:21] Voice 4: i would

[1:59:24] Voice 4: be happy with that uh trustee fast i'm

[1:59:29] Trustee Fast: concerned that we're taking um tens of minutes to go through

[1:59:34] Trustee Fast: what to me are very uh detailed important but uh minor copy edits and uh i am so i'm hoping

[1:59:48] Trustee Fast: Hoping that we could move faster because we've got to get down to the other parts of the agenda.

[1:59:54] Trustee Fast: As I know you know, Chair, personally, I think there's lots of confusion and disagreements generally.

[2:00:00] Trustee Fast: around words like themes objectives goals importances and i'm fine with leaving it as

[2:00:08] Trustee Fast: select objectives uh if we just change the word uh in mv 29 themes to objectives that would be

[2:00:17] Trustee Fast: fine with me i um personally thank you thank

[2:00:22] Voice 4: you and i appreciate your comment but um this is

[2:00:26] Voice 4: important work. There is a lot of edits in here. Wording matters. So we have the opportunity and

[2:00:34] Voice 4: we need to take it. And if it does take time, it takes time, but it's still important work.

[2:00:39] Voice 4: We can't just say yes and move on without reviewing it. We have to review it. That is our

[2:00:44] Voice 4: job. Trustee Graham.

[2:00:48] Voice 22: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, thank you, Trustee Fast. I'm sitting here wondering

[2:00:52] Voice 22: the utility of changing one word to this word, to that word, to this word. And they all pretty

[2:00:59] Voice 22: much, in my mind, convey the same idea. I liked what you were doing originally, Chair. You were

[2:01:05] Voice 22: saying, anybody okay with this page? And when we got to this page, you had a concern, and that's

[2:01:10] Voice 22: fair enough. But if you're the only one with that concern, then it doesn't feel like it's a big

[2:01:16] Voice 22: enough concern to spend any time on it. So if there was another technique that you could use,

[2:01:21] Voice 22: If you're the only one, I really question whether this is a committee work or this is something that you've taken on personally.

[2:01:29] Voice 22: And I'm feeling very uncomfortable doing this wordsmithing.

[2:01:32] Voice 22: It's going to take forever.

[2:01:33] Voice 22: And you can feel the frustration in my voice.

[2:01:36] Voice 22: I'm sorry.

[2:01:38] Voice 4: I appreciate that as well.

[2:01:40] Voice 4: Unfortunately, this is our job to make sure that we get the wording in our policies correct.

[2:01:46] Voice 4: We own these policies.

[2:01:48] Voice 4: We have to make sure that we are comfortable with the wording.

[2:01:51] Voice 4: the wording is what gets interpreted by law so we have to be careful trustee gabriel um

[2:01:58] Voice 14: i feel the

[2:01:59] Voice 14: need to echo the past three speakers i think we can move a little bit quicker unfortunately myself

[2:02:04] Voice 14: personally i was looking forward to conversations later on the agenda but it doesn't look like i'm

[2:02:09] Voice 14: gonna have time because i have to leave at 11 30 but i think this is we're trying to get to a draft

[2:02:13] Voice 14: i think things are good staff have put together some great copy edits and i'm sure this isn't

[2:02:18] Voice 14: our last opportunity to make further copy edits respectfully of course sure thank

[2:02:23] Voice 4: you i hear what

[2:02:25] Voice 4: you're saying um i am still going to go through this that things will get faster there are just

[2:02:29] Voice 4: a few areas where there are comments um so from what i'm hearing on this section uh we change it

[2:02:36] Voice 4: to read our policies expressing objectives of trust council does is that what i heard earlier

[2:02:47] Voice 4: if we can do that think

[2:02:51] Trustee Fast: of we were just going to change the word uh themes to objectives and leave

[2:02:55] Trustee Fast: the word select sure

[2:02:59] Voice 4: expressing select objectives of trust council perfect and i'm trusting uh

[2:03:09] Voice 4: staff yeomans is collecting those comments

[2:03:12] Voice 1: i am indeed okay

[2:03:14] Voice 4: awesome um all right there's no

[2:03:17] Voice 4: no further comments on this page we can move on i had a comment here on cf37 where it's removing

[2:03:32] Voice 4: the island's trust area if we remove the island's trust area then we're accounting for cumulative

[2:03:40] Voice 4: effects i just want to make sure that it does remain specific to the island's trust area can

[2:03:46] Voice 4: i have the reasoning for removing those words and i believe this was uh staff rated who recommended

[2:04:00] Voice 4: ended this?

[2:04:02] Voice 15: Sorry, I just got pulled up to that, I think. Could you repeat it, please?

[2:04:05] Voice 4: Your comment, CF37, where you're deleting the Islands Trust area with where it says

[2:04:12] Voice 4: under account for cumulative effects. So then it just says species and their habitats.

[2:04:19] Voice 4: So now it's no longer contained to the Islands Trust area. Is there a specific reasoning for

[2:04:24] Voice 4: that? Or is it just... One

[2:04:26] Voice 15: was for consistency with the other policies. We haven't named the

[2:04:29] Voice 15: the region and any other policies. The other is for just the attempt to make the document as

[2:04:33] Voice 15: short and concise as possible. It seems a given that we'd be attempting to do work within the

[2:04:38] Voice 15: region we're mandated to work in. Perfect. Thank you. Any

[2:04:41] Voice 4: other comments on this page?

[2:04:43] Voice 4: Seeing none. Now onto the next page. Any comments on this page? Okay. Seeing none. Moving on. We're

[2:04:55] Voice 4: now in part three. Any comments on this page? I apologize. We skipped. Oh, are

[2:05:03] Voice 10: we at 45? Yes.

[2:05:05] Voice 10: page 39

[2:05:06] Voice 10: okay yeah why 45 um i'd like to raise for discussion me too so go ahead

[2:05:15] Voice 10: yeah so um there has been significant concern expressed that the removal of um you know the

[2:05:25] Voice 10: tables uh related to strengthening reconciliation and the calls to action um have reduced sort of

[2:05:35] Voice 10: the centrality of those principles in this document. So when it comes to an advisory

[2:05:39] Voice 10: policy like reconciliation in cooperation with Indigenous governing bodies, I want to

[2:05:48] Voice 10: make sure that we have the strongest possible language. And so wondering why this would

[2:05:56] Voice 10: be removed. So it just would read, engage with Indigenous governing bodies of discretionary

[2:06:01] Voice 10: planning and land use management decisions oh okay so is it because the second clause limits

[2:06:09] Voice 10: the engagement to only decisions that could potentially have significant impacts

[2:06:16] Voice 10: and in that case i do support it because if it results in the widest possible

[2:06:29] Voice 10: possible um area of engagement and cooperation with indigenous covering bodies does that make

[2:06:36] Voice 10: sense

[2:06:37] Voice 4: alternative to staff rachel uh

[2:06:41] Voice 15: indeed that's the goal um it would because it's advisory it

[2:06:45] Voice 15: would be at the discretion of the local trust committee or island municipality how they would

[2:06:48] Voice 15: implement it so if they wanted to narrow it up to some degree they could um also the interpretation

[2:06:54] Voice 15: difficulty of significant impacts you'll see in your first nation comments there's a lot of um

[2:06:59] Voice 15: I think it will cause a lot of interpretative difficulty around how does the islands trust

[2:07:04] Voice 15: want to go about determining what is significant to a nation. So it would seem through this edit,

[2:07:10] Voice 15: it's simply more simple and more straightforward. And again, the local bodies would have discretion

[2:07:15] Voice 15: because it's advisory in terms of how they implement it locally.

[2:07:21] Voice 4: Perfect. Thank you very much. Is that good with you, Trustee Elliott?

[2:07:24] Voice 4: I support the change then. Thank you.

[2:07:26] Voice 4: Perfect. Any other comments on this page? Okay, moving on.

[2:07:32] Voice 4: So objective two, any comments on this page? Seeing none, moving on. Any comments on this page? Seeing none, moving on.

[2:07:50] Voice 4: So now we're on to objective four. Any comments on this page? I have one comment on, so it's comment CF51.

[2:08:03] Voice 4: um this is a directive policy by changing identify and encourage adoption of and this

[2:08:11] Voice 4: has to do with climate change mitigation and adaption by changing it to implement

[2:08:16] Voice 4: by identifying and implement that i think becomes too directive too onerous i would rather it stay

[2:08:27] Voice 4: the way that it is now, implementing climate change mitigation and adaption is going to be

[2:08:34] Voice 4: very difficult for LTCs today. We still have to come up with a climate change action plan and

[2:08:42] Voice 4: everything else. This does not give room for anything here. Trustee Elliott?

[2:08:53] Voice 10: I would ask for

[2:08:55] Voice 10: staff advice on this because um minimizing greenhouse gas emissions is a directive of

[2:09:01] Voice 10: the province that we are required to include um policies and land use management strategies

[2:09:08] Voice 10: related to reduction of greenhouse gas emissions so i don't think implement is too strong

[2:09:15] Voice 10: uh and i think encourage adoption of is actually far too weak so i support the change

[2:09:22] Voice 10: Thank

[2:09:23] Trustee Fast: you. Trustee Fast?

[2:09:25] Trustee Fast: I also support the change. I think there's a lot we can do in terms of land use planning decisions and including other things like advocacy and working with our partners in cooperation with our partners,

[2:09:43] Trustee Fast: including the province, around transportation options that could also bring benefits to islanders in terms of affordability, like electric bikes being a game changer.

[2:09:59] Trustee Fast: What if there was better transportation networks besides roads?

[2:10:05] Trustee Fast: Anyway, tons of things. And I think climate action is essential that we get to it faster.

[2:10:13] Trustee Fast: This is how fast we've got to go down the graph in order to keep our climate within an area where we're not constantly having to deal with wildfires and extreme weather and all kinds of bad things.

[2:10:31] Trustee Fast: We need to take climate action sooner and much more seriously.

[2:10:38] Trustee Fast: I think it should stay as implement. I'm in favor of this change. Thank you.

[2:10:44] Trustee Fast: staff rita uh

[2:10:46] Voice 15: thank you yes this is being suggested for a number of reasons if the

[2:10:49] Voice 15: light blue wording was meant to have encompassed identify um typically through this document we've

[2:10:55] Voice 15: used the word identify to mean map generally um so that's not appropriate for a strategy for example

[2:11:00] Voice 15: and then encourage the adoption of it's unclear who the ltc and island municipalities are meant

[2:11:05] Voice 15: to be encouraging because it implies they're not encouraging themselves they're encouraging others

[2:11:10] Voice 15: and indeed you are already mandated through it was called bill 27 back in the day there was an

[2:11:16] Voice 15: act that required each official community plan to have targets in it you know by extension you're

[2:11:20] Voice 15: meant to be working towards those targets and we have an entire large toolkit here for ltcs and

[2:11:26] Voice 15: municipalities and staff to reference of how to do that implementation so it seems like you're

[2:11:30] Voice 15: already doing this work any good land use planning today is doing this work so we felt implement was

[2:11:36] Voice 15: was a safe verb to to use okay

[2:11:39] Voice 11: thank you all right

[2:11:46] Voice 4: moving on um any comments on this page

[2:11:50] Voice 4: um i'm going to ask because i know that we had a lot of discussion on comment jy55 so

[2:12:03] Voice 4: replacing densification with additional housing um i originally i think this was

[2:12:10] Voice 4: It was housing and it got changed densification in one of the Committee of the Whole meetings, and now it's being reverted back. And I believe this was Trustee Elliott who had brought this forward. So if you're still online, could you have a quick comment on this? Are you good with that?

[2:12:31] Voice 4: I do

[2:12:33] Voice 10: support it. Because it's specific. Densification is, personally, I think it's been overused and not well understood. And so this is directive policies around housing. And so suitable locations for additional housing, I think is more appropriate.

[2:12:58] Voice 10: for it perfect thank

[2:13:00] Voice 4: you um okay any other comments on this page not moving on um

[2:13:07] Voice 4: so this is an advisory policy comment um cf57 so we're replacing encourage with implement

[2:13:18] Voice 4: this is an advisory policy we identify advisory can i get some feedback on that

[2:13:35] Voice 15: that uh happy to chair we didn't hear you but i'm happy to speak to the recommended change

[2:13:40] Voice 15: which is that once again um it's unclear who the body the local trust committees and municipalities

[2:13:45] Voice 15: should be encouraging um because they're the ones that are meant to be doing the regulating

[2:13:50] Voice 15: so it was meant to be implement again fine with the a stronger verb this is discretionary to the

[2:13:56] Voice 15: local trust committee so i think there's safety there and saying implement and then it's at the

[2:14:01] Voice 15: the discretion of those local bodies should they wish to um

[2:14:05] Voice 4: yeah so i missed a little bit there too

[2:14:07] Voice 4: i do apologize for this um i was saying that by replacing encourage land use uh regulations with

[2:14:14] Voice 4: implement it makes it a directive and this is under advisory so i'm not um i'm not comfortable

[2:14:22] Voice 4: with making an advisory policy directive if

[2:14:27] Voice 15: i might respond sure uh certainly it does not it's

[2:14:30] Voice 15: It's still an advice. It's in the advice. It's labeled as an advisory policy.

[2:14:33] Voice 15: It's still at the discretion locally of whether to implement it.

[2:14:37] Voice 15: So implement would simply be done at the discretion of the local body.

[2:14:40] Voice 15: The word encourages the verb encourages problematic because it's unclear who they're meant to be encouraging.

[2:14:47] Voice 15: And it would indeed appear they're meant to be encouraging themselves.

[2:14:49] Voice 15: So there's a necessity for a different verb there that encourage.

[2:14:53] Voice 15: And again, implement would be at the discretion of the body.

[2:14:56] Voice 15: So as staff, we're comfortable with that.

[2:15:00] Voice 4: Because encourage is used a lot through the advisory policies, can we say encourage implementation?

[2:15:07] Voice 15: If I might, Cheryl, just respond. Encourage is meant when you're meant to be encouraging others.

[2:15:14] Voice 15: It's not encouragement to the body to do its own regulating, where it gets muddily here.

[2:15:19] Voice 5: Thank you for the clarification.

[2:15:22] Voice 5: What

[2:15:24] Voice 10: about the use of the word support instead of implement?

[2:15:27] Voice 10: so it could be support land use regular regulations for affordable and special

[2:15:32] Voice 10: needs housing I'd

[2:15:35] Voice 4: feel more comfortable with that that word trustee Peterson

[2:15:38] Voice 4: contrary

[2:15:43] Voice 21: I actually think that that that just makes it vague again support land

[2:15:50] Voice 21: use regulations the LTC is in charge of the land use regulations so I think

[2:15:58] Voice 21: I think support is no better than encourage in that sense,

[2:16:02] Voice 21: and I'm fine with implement.

[2:16:04] Voice 4: Okay, no worries.

[2:16:05] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:16:06] Voice 4: And I appreciated staff's clarity on the use of the word.

[2:16:11] Voice 4: Trustee Fast?

[2:16:13] Trustee Fast: I'm in favor of implement, and it's optional.

[2:16:20] Trustee Fast: It's an advisory policy currently in this draft.

[2:16:23] Trustee Fast: It's optional, but it is.

[2:16:27] Trustee Fast: Because it's the rule of the local trust committee.

[2:16:33] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:16:34] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:16:35] Voice 4: Yeah, I just wanted clarification on the use of the word there.

[2:16:37] Voice 4: So thank you very much.

[2:16:38] Voice 4: Any other comments on this page?

[2:16:41] Voice 4: No.

[2:16:42] Voice 4: Okay, moving on.

[2:16:45] Voice 4: So in this page at the bottom under recreations, there is a lot of repetitive language being added in.

[2:16:56] Voice 4: We've had this discussion before about not using this repetitive language because it is part of the mandate that this is falling under.

[2:17:09] Voice 4: So I believe that that was removed under a previous Committee of the Whole meeting and is now being looked to be added back in again.

[2:17:17] Voice 4: So I'm not comfortable with adding it back in when it had been removed by previous Committee of the Whole.

[2:17:24] Voice 4: so I'll look for other comments

[2:17:33] Voice 4: not seeing any

[2:17:35] Voice 4: then I would

[2:17:36] Voice 4: look to reject adding in the repetitive

[2:17:39] Voice 4: language due to

[2:17:41] Voice 4: previous discussion on that

[2:17:45] Voice 4: and I think that that was it

[2:17:49] Voice 4: and I was just going to say

[2:17:52] Voice 4: I think part of that conversation was

[2:17:54] Voice 4: by using that repetitive language

[2:17:56] Voice 4: it loses its meaning

[2:17:57] Voice 4: alright so if there's no further comments

[2:18:01] Voice 4: comments. So that was, yeah, so you've got that. No further comments. Trustee Steph Barlow.

[2:18:11] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to clarify, when you say repetitive statements, are you referring

[2:18:17] Voice 16: to all of Claire Freider's comments from 61 to 66? Correct. Thank you. Just for the sake of the

[2:18:26] Voice 16: the minutes thank you you

[2:18:28] Voice 4: got it trustee peterson uh

[2:18:31] Voice 21: thank you chair uh yeah 61 is fine that's

[2:18:36] Voice 21: repeating or removing a redundancy um i just around a specific question around number 63 there

[2:18:48] Voice 21: there about adding routes. And my question is, a public access is a is a specific thing.

[2:19:02] Voice 21: And does it change just adding routes? Change that because I when I especially when we look

[2:19:11] Voice 21: at public accesses to the shoreline, for example, they're generally called public accesses and

[2:19:17] Voice 21: not public access route so if they could just get some clarity on the addition of routes there i

[2:19:22] Voice 21: just wouldn't want to um change the meaning of public access steph

[2:19:31] Voice 15: rita um i looked at the

[2:19:33] Voice 15: planners on the call so uh staff humans or director sermac um but for me it just felt more clear

[2:19:39] Voice 15: um because we're at that we're do we're planning a route in rather than an access point on a map

[2:19:45] Voice 15: So to me, it was just more clear language.

[2:19:49] Voice 4: Yeah, and I think we also had an extensive conversation about that in one of our previous meetings as well.

[2:19:57] Voice 4: So if there's discomfort adding the words roots in, then I would recommend not doing that at this point.

[2:20:05] Voice 4: We did have conversation over that earlier as well.

[2:20:10] Voice 4: Staff Yeomans, do you have comments?

[2:20:17] Voice 1: Not off the top of my head, I do not.

[2:20:19] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:20:20] Voice 1: here okay

[2:20:22] Voice 4: uh stuff rachel you've got additional comments uh

[2:20:24] Voice 15: yes just noting uh i was recommending

[2:20:27] Voice 15: the addition of the extra verbiage to be re-added um as it i think partly because it would add

[2:20:33] Voice 15: clarity to those statements um if they're ever used in isolation that in fact they the creation

[2:20:39] Voice 15: of a facility is meant to be compatible or however it may be i'm not strongly arguing for this one

[2:20:45] Voice 15: it's just sometimes we cite things independently in a letter or in other places so it would add

[2:20:50] Voice 15: that interpretative clarity if they're ever cited separately from the document. And then

[2:20:55] Voice 15: with regard to your direction to our recorder, I think you had cited that you wanted them removed

[2:21:01] Voice 15: up to CF-66. I think 66 wasn't meant to be included. It was just up to CF-65.

[2:21:08] Voice 4: Correct. Yeah. So there's just, there's three instances.

[2:21:11] Voice 15: Once again, this is just a draft for comment, so I'm not super hung up on it. It was just,

[2:21:16] Voice 15: So I felt it would add to interpretative clarity, interpretive clarity.

[2:21:19] Voice 4: Yeah. And I would say then based on that, every single one of them should have it in then to be.

[2:21:26] Voice 4: But again, they got removed because the mandate itself is our driver.

[2:21:32] Voice 4: Trustee Fast.

[2:21:34] Trustee Fast: Just that I support the word roots, because sometimes there are unofficial roots that also could be protected.

[2:21:45] Trustee Fast: For example, where people come down public access to the water's edge, walk along the rocky shoreline, and then get up to another part so they can get to the ferry.

[2:22:00] Trustee Fast: as is here on Bowen it's difficult to protect those if you don't have the word roots in there

[2:22:07] Trustee Fast: it leads to fragmenting of informal alternative transportation networks and that people have

[2:22:15] Trustee Fast: been using for the past 100 years but if the root the word roots helps think about people traveling

[2:22:25] Trustee Fast: through the landscape in unexpected ways including neighbors providing shortcuts

[2:22:32] Trustee Fast: I think those should be recognized in in planning decisions thank you Thank You

[2:22:39] Voice 5: trustee Peterson last

[2:22:43] Voice 21: point I wouldn't object if it was roots not necessarily

[2:22:52] Voice 21: attached to the public access because public access is a specific thing so

[2:22:57] Voice 21: So public access and other routes, I'd be fine with that.

[2:23:03] Voice 21: I just don't want it to say public access routes and muddle what is a public access.

[2:23:10] Voice 21: The other bit, I actually have no problem with adding the language that are compatible with preservation, etc.

[2:23:19] Voice 21: Because when we look at these directive policies here, identifying appropriate locations, these are directing LTCs to identify these locations.

[2:23:36] Voice 21: And I actually see no harm and, in fact, benefit of putting the compatible with preservation piece in them for clarity for LTCs.

[2:23:55] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:23:56] Voice 4: And my comment was almost going to be the same as yours.

[2:23:59] Voice 4: I was going to recommend that it read, identify and support safe public access and routes or and public routes to community, blah, blah, blah.

[2:24:10] Voice 4: But have the word and in there to separate them.

[2:24:15] Voice 4: And Trustee Fast.

[2:24:19] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:24:20] Trustee Fast: I think part of this might be the way words are used on different islands is different, because on Bowen, public access is used to refer to, because we're a municipality perhaps, but it's used to refer to edges of roads.

[2:24:39] Trustee Fast: It's used to refer to road ends.

[2:24:42] Trustee Fast: I think maybe other communities may have these or may get these soon.

[2:24:46] Trustee Fast: um uh and it's used to refer to um other kinds of public access so i i i think i'm fine with

[2:24:57] Trustee Fast: adding the word and in and roots whatever i just think we might be in a translation

[2:25:03] Trustee Fast: issue and and that the the uh public access to the sea as in that old uh provincial rule

[2:25:13] Trustee Fast: uh law um is just referred to in different ways in different communities so i like the

[2:25:20] Trustee Fast: clarification of and roots it's fine with me okay

[2:25:26] Voice 4: um okay any other comments here

[2:25:31] Voice 4: okay so moving on any comments on this page i'm seeing none any comments on the following page

[2:25:45] Voice 4: I have a comment here. So, JY70. So, revising this to read fragmentation of forest lands and road systems. Forest lands and road systems because we're considering the citing to minimize the fragmentation of forest when we would look to reject revising the title to fragmentation of forest lands. Does anyone object to that? Trustee Elliott?

[2:26:28] Voice 4: Elliot?

[2:26:30] Voice 10: Sorry, I'm a bit unclear. So you want to remove, or you want to keep it as forest lands

[2:26:37] Voice 10: and road systems?

[2:26:39] Voice 4: Yes, because we want to keep forest lands and road systems in an unfragmented

[2:26:44] Voice 4: manner. So we are looking to minimize the fragmentation of forest lands. So the title

[2:26:50] Voice 4: should remain forest lands and road systems. I don't think

[2:26:53] Voice 10: it's about the fragmentation of

[2:26:55] Voice 10: road systems, though. That's what's unclear. It's about how you construct road systems so

[2:27:00] Voice 10: they don't fragment the forest lands,

[2:27:02] Voice 4: no? Exactly. So we don't want to say, rather

[2:27:05] Voice 4: than changing the title to fragmentation of forest lands and road systems, that doesn't

[2:27:10] Voice 4: make sense to me. We are looking at forest lands and road systems. And the directive policy

[2:27:18] Voice 4: underneath that is to minimize the fragmentation of forest lands by the placement of roads through

[2:27:27] Voice 4: them sure

[2:27:32] Voice 10: I think this is not super material but yeah 50-50 on that trustee Peterson I

[2:27:47] Voice 20: agree that

[2:27:49] Voice 21: that changing the title here,

[2:27:53] Voice 21: I don't see the utility there.

[2:27:57] Voice 21: It makes more sense

[2:27:59] Voice 21: and I think it's probably easier to find

[2:28:03] Voice 21: if it stays as forest lands and road systems.

[2:28:07] Voice 4: Yeah, we don't want to look like

[2:28:08] Voice 4: we're encouraging the fragmentation of forests.

[2:28:11] Voice 4: Trustee Fast?

[2:28:14] Voice 4: Just want to note,

[2:28:15] Trustee Fast: I think we're going to lose Trustee Govro in a few minutes

[2:28:18] Trustee Fast: And I'm hoping maybe in the next meeting, if people have to leave early, they can let us know at the outset when we're reordering the agenda items, because I hate to lose important voices.

[2:28:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:28:34] Trustee Fast: Absolutely.

[2:28:39] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:28:40] Voice 4: Do we still have quorum?

[2:28:45] Voice 11: No,

[2:28:50] Voice 4: we still have quorum.

[2:28:51] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:28:52] Voice 4: We'll try to get through this quickly.

[2:28:54] Voice 4: So we're rejecting comment JY70.

[2:29:00] Voice 4: Let's go down to the next page if there's no further comments.

[2:29:06] Voice 4: Any comments on this page?

[2:29:14] Voice 4: I would like to have a quick discussion on CF71 with regards to aquaculture tenures,

[2:29:24] Voice 4: because this is making quite a bit of a change here,

[2:29:30] Voice 4: and we're losing some of the items that were originally identified as important to keep in here.

[2:29:37] Voice 4: So with this change, we are going to lose established or designated upland uses, anchorages, or moorage.

[2:29:49] Voice 4: And I'm not comfortable with losing that because I think that that's important to maintain.

[2:29:56] Voice 4: So I want people to have a quick look at that.

[2:29:58] Voice 4: And does anyone else?

[2:30:00] Voice 4: else have any comments because the trustee fast sorry i missed you is

[2:30:16] Trustee Fast: this a conversation opening

[2:30:17] Trustee Fast: about it uh losing one word from a title no

[2:30:22] Voice 4: this is the meaning of the of the directive policy

[2:30:25] Voice 4: so the directive policy currently leads uh direct commercial aquaculture tenures to appropriate

[2:30:32] Voice 4: locations that will not adversely affect the impact or impacts of cultural spiritual archaeological

[2:30:37] Voice 4: medicinal recreational significance or established or designated upland land uses

[2:30:44] Voice 4: anchorages or morgues and we'll be losing that second half and it's being replaced instead with

[2:30:52] Voice 4: impact areas identified as culturally significant by indigenous governing bodies in areas that

[2:30:58] Voice 4: provide critical habitat for species at risk and in areas of recreational significance it completely

[2:31:03] Voice 4: completely changes the intent of what we had in here originally.

[2:31:13] Voice 4: Trustee Fast, you still have your hand up.

[2:31:14] Voice 4: Are you considering your comments?

[2:31:16] Voice 4: Meaning that I don't

[2:31:20] Trustee Fast: see the change.

[2:31:21] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering if you mean that these are work that people are doing,

[2:31:28] Trustee Fast: that the land uses anchorages and moorages.

[2:31:35] Trustee Fast: just i think aquaculture tenures don't are is that within okay i don't think we can do anything

[2:31:46] Trustee Fast: about it anyway but i don't i don't know thank you sorry i'm not clear

[2:31:49] Trustee Fast: change and why it would

[2:31:52] Trustee Fast: be important and what role uh local trust committees or islands trust can have in uh

[2:32:00] Trustee Fast: aquaculture tenures as opposed outside of cooperating and coordinating with others like

[2:32:06] Trustee Fast: like beans sound for them. Thank you.

[2:32:10] Voice 4: Thanks. Trustee Graham.

[2:32:13] Voice 22: Thank you, Chair. This might be an ideal opportunity for Director Freighter to comment.

[2:32:17] Voice 22: And I would like to hear those comments. Thank you.

[2:32:20] Voice 4: You got it.

[2:32:21] Voice 15: Certainly, it was felt that anchorages and mortgages would fall under recreational significance.

[2:32:28] Voice 15: So it felt that they were covered off with that. And the Establisher designated upland uses.

[2:32:34] Voice 15: Previously, that phrase had been included in a commitment of council. So an advocacy

[2:32:38] Voice 15: statement and hadn't been included in the prior policy statements language um my my certainly it

[2:32:45] Voice 15: could be included i expect on referral you're going to hear from the ministry that that's likely

[2:32:49] Voice 15: not something that they're going to support but should you wish to tuck that phrase back in you

[2:32:53] Voice 15: certainly you could um and i would say we took out words like medicinal and so on as we can't

[2:32:59] Voice 15: really define a medicinal area for example um return to the planner if there's anything to add

[2:33:04] Voice 15: or turn to policy advisor humans if there's anything to add there but if you wish to put

[2:33:09] Voice 15: comma or established and designated upland land uses at the end of the recommended phrase

[2:33:13] Voice 15: certainly we could do that for the purpose of consultation and see what comments you get back

[2:33:18] Voice 4: yeah um i'd feel more comfortable with that just because this was um i just feel like the intent

[2:33:24] Voice 4: of this um directive policy has been changed um and if then then it becomes more than just a copy

[2:33:33] Voice 4: edit that's fair

[2:33:34] Voice 4: um so what i'd be happy to do is to take this not i i like the i like the changes

[2:33:41] Voice 4: to the um the um the first nations language happy with that but the rest of it i think should be a

[2:33:49] Voice 4: conversation held outside of copy edits so if we want to take this and earmark it as a discussion

[2:33:54] Voice 4: piece outside of copyedits, that would be great.

[2:34:01] Voice 4: Jesse Peterson?

[2:34:05] Voice 21: I would be happy with the suggested replacement text followed by comma or

[2:34:17] Voice 21: established or designated uplanding anchors as morages and then use that as

[2:34:22] Voice 21: the basis to seek further input.

[2:34:28] Voice 4: Perfect.

[2:34:29] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:34:29] Voice 4: we will go that route and we can open that up for discussion later if needed does that sound good

[2:34:35] Voice 4: okay any other comments um the next one i just want to have a quick look at is the marine docs

[2:34:43] Voice 4: um so we're looking at deleting this in its entirety is that correct and i believe this

[2:34:58] Voice 4: is a staff rater that's made the suggestion so you're looking to remove marine docs in its

[2:35:04] Voice 4: entirety no that was not my

[2:35:09] Voice 15: intention i

[2:35:10] Voice 1: think the intention um chair and claire is just to remove

[2:35:15] Voice 1: indigenous knowledge holders from this

[2:35:17] Voice 4: gotcha thank you it is a little difficult to see

[2:35:23] Voice 4: perfect then no issue um any further comments on this page if not we'll move on um

[2:35:33] Voice 4: Um, uh, no, if there's no comments on this page, we'll move on.

[2:35:43] Voice 4: Let me just see.

[2:35:44] Voice 4: Where are we?

[2:35:47] Voice 4: Are we?

[2:35:49] Voice 4: Yeah, I don't think there was any comments on this page.

[2:35:51] Voice 4: So we're now into the glossary of terms.

[2:36:01] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:36:02] Voice 4: Let me just, I'm just looking at something here.

[2:36:04] Voice 4: I just going to see if it makes sense in my head first.

[2:36:14] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:36:14] Voice 4: So, um, uh, staff rate at 82, you're just looking to remove the word human from heritage

[2:36:23] Voice 4: value or character.

[2:36:24] Voice 4: Correct.

[2:36:26] Voice 4: yeah okay any so any other comments on this page oopsie dropped that okay let's move on

[2:36:34] Voice 4: any comments here i'm not seeing any let's move on to the next page um does any comments here

[2:36:49] Voice 4: let's move on to the last page any comments not seeing any okay so thank you staff for

[2:37:03] Voice 4: the hard work of going through all of this brought a lot of things forward. I think it helps tidy

[2:37:10] Voice 4: things up. So do we need to make a motion to make those edits to the document with the exception of

[2:37:21] Voice 4: any rejected items? So it'll be an as amended, trying to find the top of the page here. So if

[2:37:36] Voice 4: If somebody would like to make the motion, so it'll be as amended.

[2:37:52] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson?

[2:37:54] Voice 21: I move that Trust Programs Committee request staff to revise the draft new policy statement redline version in accordance with the recommended copy edits as amended in Appendix 1 of the Request for Decision entitled Policy Statement Amendment Project Copy Edits.

[2:38:10] Voice 4: Any changes to the wording?

[2:38:14] Voice 4: I'm not seeing any.

[2:38:15] Voice 4: Can I get a seconder?

[2:38:18] Voice 4: trustee elliott thank you any discussion i'm just going to do a quick check we do still have quorum

[2:38:26] Voice 4: right i think we do i'm going to call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand perfect

[2:38:37] Voice 4: lower your hand are there any opposed seeing none that is carried and again thank you very much

[2:38:46] Voice 4: staff that was a lot of heavy lifting and i really appreciate you going through with the fine tooth

[2:38:51] Voice 4: who's come and getting so many people involved.

[2:38:54] Voice 4: All right.

[2:38:55] Voice 4: So our next item on the agenda is Policy Statement Amendment Project

[2:39:03] Voice 4: recommended edits that respond to First Nations feedback,

[2:39:06] Voice 4: requests for decision, that's on page 63 of the agenda.

[2:39:17] Voice 4: Hold on one second.

[2:39:18] Voice 4: I've got noise in the background here.

[2:39:30] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:39:30] Voice 4: So can we go to page 63 of the agenda?

[2:39:41] Voice 4: You're on mute.

[2:39:42] Voice 1: Sorry, Chair.

[2:39:42] Voice 1: I thought I thought I was sharing screen let me just get on top of that

[2:39:45] Voice 4: no worries okay so if um

[2:39:54] Voice 4: I think this was staff humans again I'm

[2:39:59] Voice 15: happy to take this one share thank you all right so I'm

[2:40:04] Voice 15: so happy to finally be bringing this all forward um we've you know it has been my long hope desire

[2:40:11] Voice 15: that we would have had the ability over the prior years to really focus in and go back through all

[2:40:16] Voice 15: the feedback to just make sure we'd caught everything. So I just did it this week. So I

[2:40:22] Voice 15: will say I've tried to catch everything, but this was a bit of a rush effort. So I'll apologize if

[2:40:27] Voice 15: everything doesn't track perfectly one document to the other. I would say we caught everything.

[2:40:31] Voice 15: I did just discover there was buried in a subfolder feedback from 2020 from Suela Tooth Nation

[2:40:36] Voice 15: that hasn't been included here. We have reviewed it today and I'll have one additional

[2:40:40] Voice 15: edit to a definition, which is very minor that's emerging from that. And I'm going to add it to

[2:40:46] Voice 15: our main master document. So that's available. Through the combing through of all the feedback,

[2:40:53] Voice 15: this will now form the basis of what we call concordance tables. So when we send it back out

[2:40:57] Voice 15: on referral, we're going to use this tracking to advise the nation how we've dealt with every

[2:41:00] Voice 15: comment they've made and how it's showing up in the first reading draft. So they can then use that

[2:41:05] Voice 15: as a basis for an efficient review for preparing their comments back to us. With regard to the

[2:41:11] Voice 15: recommendations on screen here, the first is around the edits. We can certainly walk through those.

[2:41:16] Voice 15: The second is relating to feedback, particularly from the Quits and Nation, around their desire

[2:41:22] Voice 15: that this whole process would have been co-designed and implemented, and certainly an indication

[2:41:27] Voice 15: from them that they, or earlier in the process, they had indicated, you know, a desire to

[2:41:34] Voice 15: what we call raise the safety net, I think has been the phrase that's been used through

[2:41:37] Voice 15: this current draft, but a desire to see a commitment of Trust Council to continuing

[2:41:42] Voice 15: to amend the policy statement and to do so perhaps in the future in a new way.

[2:41:46] Voice 15: So the second recommendation speaks to that point, which would be something staff would very much like to be able to convey back to the nation when we send the document back for another review.

[2:41:56] Voice 15: I think I'll leave it there, except to say I'm just expressing my happiness that finally this sort of thorough work is done.

[2:42:03] Voice 15: We've had a lot of staff vacancies through this project.

[2:42:06] Voice 15: So this is something that's making me a lot more comfortable in terms of now returning back to the nations with their comments.

[2:42:10] Voice 15: um and i'd be happy to sort of explain the rationale for the various recommendations

[2:42:16] Voice 15: that are made quite a few things are in advice you know of new additions are recommended for

[2:42:20] Voice 15: advisory policies which is i think you know in many cases i think hopefully at least indicates

[2:42:27] Voice 15: the trust council is hearing them without necessarily creating a lot of new obligations

[2:42:31] Voice 15: nations islands trust okay

[2:42:34] Voice 4: thank you um so do we want to look go straight down into the um

[2:42:45] Voice 4: the recommended edits and do a quick review of the recommended edits and see how many we can

[2:42:51] Voice 4: get through and save the next half an hour and then we'll break for lunch and come back at one

[2:42:57] Voice 4: clock so we'll take a 45 minute break so if we can go down keep going there we go okay so item

[2:43:08] Voice 4: number one adding local indigenous communities to the end of draft policy 3410 does anyone have

[2:43:16] Voice 4: any objection okay adding a new advisory policy under objective number one for land back any

[2:43:26] Voice 4: Any objections?

[2:43:29] Voice 4: Not seeing any.

[2:43:31] Voice 4: Adding a new advisory policy under objective number one,

[2:43:36] Voice 4: respect Indigenous protocol for information and data provided.

[2:43:41] Voice 4: Any objections?

[2:43:44] Voice 4: Trustee Elliott.

[2:43:50] Voice 10: Should we?

[2:43:52] Voice 10: Okay, so I'm not sure about this.

[2:43:56] Voice 10: So it's more of a question,

[2:43:57] Voice 10: But the OCAD ownership control access principles are, I think, a pretty well-established reference for how knowledge and data of Indigenous peoples is to be handled.

[2:44:24] Voice 10: Do we want to reference that at all and

[2:44:32] Voice 4: seeing staff rate as smiling?

[2:44:33] Voice 4: I

[2:44:34] Voice 15: did consider that. It's a copyrighted term. It's also similar to our discussion around the dark skies principles.

[2:44:40] Voice 15: To what extent do you want to hook? We don't know. Again, to hook to an external reference was the idea.

[2:44:47] Voice 15: So I wrote this more generically so that it could be managed over time, regardless of whether that document or principle change name later in time.

[2:44:55] Voice 15: so this was my attempt to do that certainly I did consider it and I think internally we may

[2:44:59] Voice 15: be looking at some policy changes and procedure changes that reference it but yeah certainly we

[2:45:06] Voice 15: could consider it but this was meant to sort of be more durable in case there were changes to that

[2:45:09] Voice 15: document over time.

[2:45:13] Voice 5: Does that answer your question Trustee Elliott?

[2:45:16] Voice 10: It does I think it could be

[2:45:21] Voice 10: I wonder if it could be strengthened by adding something like an uphold the principles and

[2:45:27] Voice 10: embedded in you know the OCAD I mean it's just such a well-established I don't think it's going

[2:45:35] Voice 10: away anytime soon and I guess my question is does this there may be different ways that different

[2:45:47] Voice 10: Indigenous governing bodies want their information held so does this also give sort of like there's

[2:45:53] Voice 10: a larger principle of who owns you know data and information that must be respected and then

[2:45:59] Voice 10: And there's the individual respect for protocols in respect of each individual Indigenous governing body that might also need to be upheld.

[2:46:10] Voice 10: You know, so the larger principles of ownership, control and access, and then those individual protocols.

[2:46:17] Voice 10: So I don't want to get into wordsmithing it.

[2:46:19] Voice 10: It's a lot to consider.

[2:46:21] Voice 10: I think this is, and does Joe, staff Joe Elliott, do you have any comments on that?

[2:46:27] Voice 10: that.

[2:46:32] Voice 4: Jeff Elliott, are you present and able to speak to it?

[2:46:37] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm just thinking of the

[2:46:38] Voice 2: process. And I think Claire probably gave it a lot of thought. And I think the principles of OCAP

[2:46:43] Voice 2: are definitely are established. But then again, you know, I think as we move forward, and we're

[2:46:48] Voice 2: engaging with the First Nations, and some of the nations with moving into treaty may already have

[2:46:53] Voice 2: something established. So it's, and it's probably in line with OCAP. So I don't know if it's a

[2:46:58] Voice 2: a benefit to include it right now or at a later time, yeah.

[2:47:04] Voice 10: Perfect, that's great, thank you.

[2:47:07] Trustee Fast: Trustee Fast. Oh, thank you, Chair. I'm in support of the wording as it's presented there in red,

[2:47:17] Trustee Fast: partly because it's an advisory policy, so if it was a directive policy, then maybe I'd feel

[2:47:27] Trustee Fast: feel differently. But also, it's a more of an operational thing, in my view, as Trustee Elliott

[2:47:36] Trustee Fast: said, it's about how to. And so I'm, if that her proposal would be about how to using the

[2:47:45] Trustee Fast: principles she referred to. And I don't know, if those principles are, now we're up to 31 nations

[2:47:55] Trustee Fast: uh that we're consulting i i like this more general text i'm not sure how all those um

[2:48:01] Trustee Fast: nations including the international nations feel about uh international nations the lummi

[2:48:08] Trustee Fast: in the united states feel about um uh those principles are not that familiar with them but

[2:48:14] Trustee Fast: i know there's lots of principles out there uh established planning principles all kinds of

[2:48:19] Trustee Fast: things i don't know that that needs to be in here um and uh i think it's going to go back out that's

[2:48:26] Trustee Fast: the point of this it'll go back out to first nations and others and um we'll see what they

[2:48:33] Trustee Fast: say so i'm i'm in proposed i'm in support of using the red text there at number three and um

[2:48:39] Trustee Fast: moving this out to the first reading thank you and

[2:48:45] Voice 4: staff racha you have some comments uh just

[2:48:47] Voice 15: finally uh trustee fast really hit on the point i was going to make which is that the point of all

[2:48:52] Voice 15: the editing you're doing today with all of these comments is simply to ask for further comment on

[2:48:56] Voice 15: them right for your second and third reading so that is the intention here if you know there's a

[2:49:02] Voice 15: strong desire by nations to have ocapped named we'd approach that organization get consent to

[2:49:07] Voice 15: use it and then put it in um but this was meant to be more generic and as you say appeal to all

[2:49:12] Voice 15: contexts there may be a nation that objects to ocap for some reason i've got no idea

[2:49:16] Voice 15: so that is the hope but it is just for comment um and we'll hear back on referral whether we've

[2:49:21] Voice 15: got it right or not

[2:49:22] Voice 4: perfect thank

[2:49:24] Voice 15: you um

[2:49:25] Voice 4: all right so i think we're all good with number three the

[2:49:29] Voice 4: way that it stands um moving on to number four any objections i have a quick comment um by removing

[2:49:40] Voice 4: i'm curious as to why this was removed um by removing invasive species um i believe that

[2:49:47] Voice 4: invasive species are those that are non-native that are designated invasive that have a tendency to

[2:49:54] Voice 4: spread and put native plants at risk so we're just saying if we just keep it as safeguard

[2:50:03] Voice 4: biodiversity then that could also include that because that is a becomes a biodiversity as well

[2:50:11] Voice 4: all so i'm just gonna ask a staff rate to uh why this was removed and where the request came from

[2:50:19] Voice 4: because that might provide clarity for my uh my little mind i'm

[2:50:24] Voice 15: happy to on page 84 um it was a

[2:50:27] Voice 15: comment from couch and tribe staff that they felt that it was unnecessary and on reflection and some

[2:50:32] Voice 15: research biodiversity does not include invasive species it simply includes native species so

[2:50:37] Voice 15: So I felt it was, again, he was striving for plain language, mine to remove.

[2:50:43] Voice 4: Perfect.

[2:50:44] Voice 4: Thank you for that clarity.

[2:50:46] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:50:47] Voice 4: Moving on to number five.

[2:50:50] Voice 4: Any objections to including this wording?

[2:50:54] Voice 4: Any comments?

[2:50:58] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:50:59] Voice 4: Moving on to number six.

[2:51:01] Voice 4: So this is an amendment adding the words local indigenous communities.

[2:51:07] Voice 4: Any comments?

[2:51:09] Voice 4: Any objections?

[2:51:12] Voice 4: Seeing none.

[2:51:14] Voice 4: Moving on to number seven. Um, so there are three policies that are going to have the same wording

[2:51:22] Voice 4: added at the end. So these are flowing straight after, after each other. And again, I think this

[2:51:31] Voice 4: was, um, I think this, this was what we just talked about. Um, so I'm going to say, because

[2:51:44] Voice 4: has there had been conversation about this? Can we put a pin in this one and bring back for

[2:51:54] Voice 4: discussion at Committee of the Whole?

[2:52:01] Voice 15: Certainly, Chair. So I'll just flag, maybe we should go for

[2:52:03] Voice 15: an example. So I was going to raise this during the copy edit piece, but I thought we could talk

[2:52:07] Voice 15: about it again here. And it might be something for people to look at over lunch if they hadn't

[2:52:10] Voice 15: had a good chance to look at it. But for example, if you could scroll to the bottom of page 87,

[2:52:15] Voice 15: where it overlaps with 88 i'll just give an example of feedback from couch and tribes

[2:52:21] Voice 15: we had um general comments around um concern so for example i'm looking for um to scroll down to

[2:52:31] Voice 15: where recreation starts a little bit lower no

[2:52:38] Trustee Fast: a little bit bottom

[2:52:39] Voice 15: of page 87 where it overlaps

[2:52:41] Voice 15: with 88 under recreation up a little bit and down a little bit more so we can see the next page

[2:52:47] Voice 15: page there we are so concerns like this um where there was a chance to signal that and more

[2:52:55] Voice 15: explicitly but as you say there was a desire to make the language simpler and shorter i was thinking

[2:53:00] Voice 15: that on referral you're likely going to hear these comments again where things relating to recreation

[2:53:04] Voice 15: are showing up so where it related to public access or recreational facility siting or wherever

[2:53:10] Voice 15: it may be it gave an opportunity to just make it explicit within that one policy that the mandate

[2:53:15] Voice 15: is to preserve and protect heritage um so it was with that that was sort of my intention um

[2:53:23] Voice 15: that's a way to kind of accommodate that concern um and it showed up in a few places we've got

[2:53:28] Voice 15: mostly relating to recreation and it showed up from a number of nations as i recall

[2:53:32] Voice 15: that said we've had reminding me we had direction from the committee already so it's fine and we can

[2:53:38] Voice 15: simply advise the nation that that is meant to be implicit in all policies thank

[2:53:45] Voice 4: you um and i was

[2:53:47] Voice 4: going to say perhaps in some of these areas where the concerns are quite explicit that we can

[2:53:54] Voice 4: perhaps look at developing language that that will better address the specific

[2:54:04] Voice 4: rights and protections that they are looking for because some of these comments are quite specific

[2:54:11] Voice 4: so we could we could look at addressing it that way so that could be a future edit

[2:54:15] Voice 4: that um that we may get to this round um or not not today but um maybe at the next committee

[2:54:23] Voice 4: meeting and

[2:54:25] Voice 15: chair i just want to note i see that trustee patrick or chair patrick has rejoined us

[2:54:29] Voice 15: thank

[2:54:30] Voice 4: you um okay i can't remember what page we were on oh

[2:54:39] Voice 4: oopsie i've lost my mouse there we go so we were on yes that was number

[2:54:47] Voice 4: number nine wasn't no that was number seven so yeah let's put a pin in number seven and um we'll

[2:54:59] Voice 4: have a bigger conversation on that perhaps at committee of the hall trustee peterson yeah i

[2:55:10] Voice 21: think the chair just wanted to note that we um we dealt with uh number eight there um in our previous

[2:55:19] Voice 21: through the copy edit exactly

[2:55:22] Voice 4: so moving on to number nine any trustee fast um

[2:55:34] Trustee Fast: process question

[2:55:36] Trustee Fast: chair if we if what does putting a pin in number seven mean does that mean we're going to delay

[2:55:42] Trustee Fast: this whole motion 7.6 or can we no please explain what it means because i don't i don't want to i

[2:55:53] Trustee Fast: I would like to vote on 7.6 today.

[2:55:57] Voice 4: Absolutely.

[2:55:58] Voice 4: When I say put a pin in it,

[2:56:00] Voice 4: it's we're not deleting this conversation.

[2:56:03] Voice 4: We're removing it from the section.

[2:56:05] Voice 4: We're going to put it aside

[2:56:07] Voice 4: and we're going to come back

[2:56:09] Voice 4: and deal with it in a different manner.

[2:56:14] Trustee Fast: Okay, so this will be as one of those

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast: and as amended things?

[2:56:21] Trustee Fast: Yes, exactly.

[2:56:23] Trustee Fast: We're going to

[2:56:23] Voice 4: exclude these changes?

[2:56:26] Voice 4: I just want to be clear. So number seven is going to be taken out of this motion.

[2:56:34] Voice 4: What I was suggesting with staff rate is that we look at more specific language to add in here

[2:56:41] Voice 4: versus this language that has been recommended, because some of the comments are very specific,

[2:56:45] Voice 4: so we can better address the comments and make them more specific. But we're not going to have

[2:56:50] Voice 4: have time to do that today we can do that at the committee of the whole meeting maybe or staff can

[2:56:56] Voice 4: prepare something in advance to bring to committee of the whole thank

[2:57:01] Trustee Fast: you i was just wanting to make

[2:57:03] Trustee Fast: sure we weren't putting up obstacles to getting this out to first reading

[2:57:07] Voice 4: no i'm actually trying

[2:57:08] Voice 4: to make this as quick as possible so whether it's something that requires a bigger larger

[2:57:12] Voice 4: conversation that's going to require um uh thought on wording that we just remove it for now give

[2:57:21] Voice 4: staff an opportunity to come up with some recommended recommendations and bring it to

[2:57:26] Voice 4: committee of the whole okay staff reader um

[2:57:31] Voice 15: i would suggest you've already decided to not

[2:57:33] Voice 15: include the language i would suggest you just not if you don't wish to have that language included

[2:57:37] Voice 15: just let it happen and then send it out you know if he makes it through first reading you send it

[2:57:43] Voice 15: out with that and wait and see what you get back in response whether the totality of the document

[2:57:46] Voice 15: now resolves that concern around recreational impacts or not i wouldn't suggest that we're

[2:57:50] Voice 15: going to walk it into a committee of the whole or i would i would want to seek explicit direction

[2:57:54] Voice 15: if that's what you're looking for but at this time if it's the desire of the committee to take

[2:57:58] Voice 15: it out then i would i would not cut it back in and then on referral you'll get those comments

[2:58:02] Voice 15: from the nations if they still feel the matter's unaddressed

[2:58:04] Voice 4: absolutely okay so we've dealt with

[2:58:10] Voice 4: eight and we are now on to nine so there are three four sections that we're changing the word

[2:58:17] Voice 4: protect to prioritize protection of any comments any objections okay moving on to number 10

[2:58:30] Voice 4: um so adding to the end of the stewardship definition um any objections not seeing any

[2:58:43] Voice 4: moving on to number 11 so this is advising amending an advisory policy so we had delete

[2:58:53] Voice 4: So I think we just kind of had this discussion as well.

[2:58:59] Voice 4: I correct.

[2:59:00] Voice 4: This was just dealt with.

[2:59:02] Voice 4: And Trustee Elliott asked a question.

[2:59:07] Voice 4: You answered it.

[2:59:07] Voice 4: It became clear, and we were supportive of this.

[2:59:10] Voice 4: So this has already been addressed.

[2:59:11] Voice 4: So there should be no objections to that.

[2:59:15] Voice 4: Moving on to number 12, this is a new advisory policy looking to support economic development opportunities for indigenous communities.

[2:59:25] Voice 4: I believe we had a conversation at one of our previous meetings as well.

[2:59:29] Voice 4: Any objections?

[2:59:33] Voice 4: Not seeing any.

[2:59:36] Voice 4: So this is a change to guiding principle 217.

[2:59:42] Voice 4: So there is reordering the words.

[2:59:46] Voice 4: So placing science at the end of indigenous knowledge and local community knowledge.

[2:59:52] Voice 4: knowledge. My only comment there is in legal standing, whichever comes first.

[3:00:00] Voice 4: holds priority so that may we may want to confirm with legal whether that is

[3:00:06] Voice 4: the right way round any other objection not seeing any we

[3:00:14] Voice 4: can move on the next one is amending to advisory policies to add campsites and

[3:00:25] Voice 4: burial sites I can't site after burial sites and the objections not seeing any

[3:00:34] Voice 4: number 15 um adding in the words all archaeological sites including uh so this is being added in

[3:00:44] Voice 4: before middens um i have a question on this so all archaeological sites can you please define

[3:01:00] Voice 4: all archaeological sites what that means i just want to make sure that um it doesn't

[3:01:08] Voice 4: mean that anyone who's going to be looking for a building permit or um wants to put in a garden

[3:01:15] Voice 4: bed they're not going to be affected staff rata uh

[3:01:19] Voice 15: yes i think you might wish to put the word known

[3:01:22] Voice 15: um in front of that as i think we've done in a previous policy as well um and i had my hand yeah

[3:01:29] Voice 15: so i would think if you put known that it would be all archaeological sites under the heritage

[3:01:33] Voice 15: conservation act um it is going to rightly be pointed out by the public and nations that indeed

[3:01:38] Voice 15: it's already illegal under the heritage conservation act however um you've just you know we've seen

[3:01:44] Voice 15: that trust council a desire for a policy of this sort just to re-emphasize that they as well would

[3:01:48] Voice 15: take action should this happen under land use bylaws um so just wanted to draw that to your

[3:01:53] Voice 15: attention we as staff are aware there is already it is already unlawful at the provincial level

[3:01:57] Voice 15: um to have this disturbance um in archaeological sites and then we've added this foreshore

[3:02:03] Voice 15: areas identified as culturally significant um again this is another place where um i'll just

[3:02:10] Voice 15: point out for you um we've typically named areas that are identified in this case it's more generic

[3:02:16] Voice 15: and we'd be looking to existing materials such as nation's land use plans or marine use plans to

[3:02:22] Voice 15: identify those areas um so i think that's yeah that's what i wanted to let you know um this is

[3:02:27] Voice 15: a bit of a tricky one i think you're certainly going to get feedback on this policy as it goes

[3:02:31] Voice 15: out to referral but this is our best attempt to date to date or at this point but

[3:02:37] Voice 4: yeah i i i just

[3:02:38] Voice 4: now i like the idea of adding in known um in there and i think in other areas you had changed known

[3:02:45] Voice 4: to identified as well. But that does make repetition in that sentence. So I'm happy with

[3:02:54] Voice 4: either. But I think we should have something. So that's noted.

[3:03:00] Voice 15: Jason, can you note to add in known?

[3:03:03] Voice 15: Thank you.

[3:03:04] Voice 4: Any other comments or? All right, not seeing any. Number 16. We're adding in and

[3:03:16] Voice 4: And okra. Can you please explain the addition of those words and what that means?

[3:03:24] Voice 15: Yes, this is at the request of Comox First Nation that we try and protect not only plants and species,

[3:03:31] Voice 15: but also a natural resource, which is okra, which is used in ceremony by nations and is found throughout the Gulf Islands.

[3:03:40] Voice 4: Can I ask, what is okra?

[3:03:42] Voice 15: uh i can't tell you i can't don't have the words at hand it's a mineral that is red red in color

[3:03:48] Voice 15: that is often used for coloration of i think um both bodies and materials for use in ceremony

[3:03:54] Voice 15: okay

[3:03:55] Voice 4: my reason for asking is because it's also a vegetable so we might want to identify it as

[3:04:01] Voice 4: the mineral okra versus the vegetable okra because okra is used in a lot of cooking

[3:04:11] Voice 4: king they're

[3:04:12] Voice 20: differently spelled this book

[3:04:14] Voice 20: okay okra is okay ra oh

[3:04:17] Voice 4: okay never mind i take it back

[3:04:19] Voice 4: ta-da-da all right um i see all the hands went down on that one so that was just me being silly

[3:04:29] Voice 4: so number 17 so we're adding um and that many of these places are resting places of ancestors

[3:04:38] Voice 4: was okay any um comments or objections to adding this in i'm not seeing any number 18 this will be

[3:04:58] Voice 4: a new indigenous current cultural heritage and culturally significant area sites and species

[3:05:06] Voice 4: advisory policy um okay so this one i do have comments on so for any ground disturbing

[3:05:19] Voice 4: activities that will include any building permits that will include um any um like uh driveways

[3:05:28] Voice 4: it will include garden beds because those are all ground disturbing activities this i see being um

[3:05:36] Voice 4: a problem unless it can have um some better bounds around it and i'm just going to turn

[3:05:45] Voice 4: over to staff rita maybe she can explain this a little bit better uh

[3:05:49] Voice 15: certainly this is an advisory

[3:05:50] Voice 15: policy so again whether it's implemented and the extent to which is implemented is completely at

[3:05:56] Voice 15: the discretion of the local trust committee or island municipality so it's for them to use it as

[3:06:01] Voice 15: they see fit um certainly it could be everything from a letter of support through to finding some

[3:06:06] Voice 15: policy options but there's all the discretion locally for how it would be implemented okay i

[3:06:14] Voice 4: I just see that this may have some comments from the public on this one.

[3:06:25] Voice 4: Trustee Peterson?

[3:06:32] Voice 21: The wording, which is support opportunities,

[3:06:37] Voice 21: I actually don't have major concerns here,

[3:06:41] Voice 21: especially being that it's advisory.

[3:06:43] Voice 21: Supporting opportunities, I don't see a way that that could be construed

[3:06:49] Voice 21: as being restrictive.

[3:06:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Yes. Trustee Fast?

[3:06:57] Trustee Fast: I agree with Trustee Peterson. I'm in favour of this wording for an advisory policy. I think it's great.

[3:07:07] Trustee Fast: And I can see from my experiences where the backhoes were digging up things that should never have been disturbed,

[3:07:21] Trustee Fast: disturbed people that should never have been disturbed. And the trauma that it caused to so

[3:07:27] Trustee Fast: many could have been reduced through having something like this. I'm really in support

[3:07:34] Trustee Fast: of this. And I think we should present it like this and see what kind of feedback we get. Thank

[3:07:40] Trustee Fast: you.

[3:07:41] Voice 4: That's good. Yeah. And you're right. By having the word support opportunities,

[3:07:45] Voice 4: It definitely softens the language.

[3:07:50] Voice 4: Okay, so we have an unnumbered new reconciliation principle being added.

[3:07:58] Voice 4: And this is guidance from indigenous governing bodies.

[3:08:02] Voice 4: Any comments, any objections to the unnumbered ones?

[3:08:07] Voice 4: We'll call this 18.5.

[3:08:11] Voice 4: Not seeing any.

[3:08:13] Voice 4: Moving on to 19.

[3:08:14] Voice 4: 19. So we are changing the words in the draft principle consider with with incorporate.

[3:08:24] Voice 4: And this is to do with setbacks from the C. I would have to take a second to look at that.

[3:08:32] Voice 4: I want to see that where it is and how it sits 3, 5, 17. And I know that I did this earlier,

[3:08:39] Voice 4: but i can't remember the

[3:08:42] Voice 11: 17 so this is directive and

[3:08:59] Voice 4: i do believe that we had a lot of conversation

[3:09:02] Voice 4: about this wording um with consider versus um incorporate or anything else uh chelsea fast

[3:09:12] Voice 4: i'm

[3:09:15] Trustee Fast: in support of this wording um i know i'm in support of most of this but anyway i uh i think

[3:09:21] Trustee Fast: I think nowadays, there are maps and information that have been accepted and that are based on science and by using, and so I think it should be incorporate to use that information, current and anticipated impact of sea level rise and storm surge should be used.

[3:09:46] Trustee Fast: And so I think it makes sense to put it into an active verb like incorporate rather than consider the which opens the door to all the people who may not accept climate change as a reality or who may feel that their property values may be affected by accepting it or whatever.

[3:10:13] Trustee Fast: I think we have a duty to the future and to the islands to incorporate current science and all the reports and things that are out there.

[3:10:29] Trustee Fast: as a reality as we're setting settlement patterns,

[3:10:37] Trustee Fast: future ability of communities to be resilient

[3:10:41] Trustee Fast: after impacts of climate change.

[3:10:45] Trustee Fast: I think it's really important.

[3:10:46] Trustee Fast: I support it.

[3:10:47] Trustee Fast: It

[3:10:54] Voice 15: looks like Chair Evans may have frozen again.

[3:10:59] Voice 15: Slightly longer time than usual.

[3:11:01] Voice 15: Oh, here we are.

[3:11:02] Voice 15: Sorry?

[3:11:03] Voice 15: You're back.

[3:11:05] Voice 15: So we weren't sure where we lost you.

[3:11:06] Voice 15: oh

[3:11:07] Voice 4: i was just saying um i'm not in disagreement i'm just remembering that we had a lot of meetings

[3:11:13] Voice 4: and uh discussion frozen

[3:11:24] Voice 11: again um it's

[3:11:32] Trustee Fast: at must be lunchtime everybody on the penders is getting

[3:11:35] Trustee Fast: on their phone and checking their email

[3:11:36] Voice 4: you lost me again damn it okay never mind um this can go

[3:11:42] Voice 4: forward to uh committee of the whole and if they if they i'm just saying there was there was a lot

[3:11:47] Voice 4: conversation around this and that there was a there was specific reasons why this was kept a

[3:11:52] Voice 4: little softer due to the uh the impact of of mandating that all ltcs um have to incorporate

[3:12:03] Voice 4: anticipated impacts of of sea level rise you have there's so much that you're going to have to

[3:12:09] Voice 4: research and figure out in order to get to that point to understand it um which is why the language

[3:12:17] Voice 4: was a little softer but um yeah so we can we can go as we will staff

[3:12:27] Voice 15: nature i would just note for

[3:12:29] Voice 15: the committee this is much softer than most other local governments the current standard is a minimum

[3:12:34] Voice 15: of 15 meter setback with a variance you know using an engineer's report so this is already

[3:12:40] Voice 15: already softer language than you would typically see so just wanted to draw that to your attention

[3:12:44] Voice 15: we have a number of staff around here who really feel like this should be bolder so just wanting

[3:12:48] Voice 15: to draw that to your attention and I think incorporating is still a fairly soft verb here

[3:12:53] Voice 15: it means you're considering it you know the thought processes involved in the development

[3:12:57] Voice 15: of the bylaw

[3:12:58] Voice 4: yes but as I said I was trying to respect when we had community of the whole and

[3:13:04] Voice 4: and we had a much larger group, and the decision that was made there. Okay, so moving on to number

[3:13:11] Voice 4: 20, then, if the conversation is good.

[3:13:14] Voice 15: If I might, Chair.

[3:13:15] Voice 4: Steph, Rita.

[3:13:16] Voice 15: I'll just note that when that conversation comes up at Committee of the

[3:13:19] Voice 15: Whole about any of these changes, I think you could sort of draw them back to the analysis

[3:13:22] Voice 15: that's been done here. I'm not sure that the committee had the benefit of the analysis at

[3:13:28] Voice 15: the time that they made their decision. So for some of these tweaks, it could be that there's

[3:13:31] Voice 15: been a re-reflection now do you have a more specific understanding of the feedback from

[3:13:35] Voice 15: the first nations yeah of

[3:13:37] Trustee Fast: course um trusty fast i was just going to say the same about

[3:13:42] Trustee Fast: but now we have the feedback from first nations we didn't have before thank you

[3:13:47] Trustee Fast: no worries and

[3:13:48] Voice 4: now we're on to the last one um so this is amend the acknowledgement by adding

[3:13:56] Voice 4: the second to last sentence okay any any objections any comments okay so Jesse

[3:14:13] Voice 4: Peterson

[3:14:15] Voice 21: chair I just I was just noticing that out of these 27 was the

[3:14:26] Voice 21: only one that that we weren't necessarily all in alignment on I'm just

[3:14:33] Voice 21: wondering about uh process wise uh before we read a um a motion to you know move this along to back

[3:14:42] Voice 21: to trust council um i wonder if it's reasonable to just have a vote on um on seven or is it better

[3:14:52] Voice 21: just i'm just kind of wondering where the committee's at with this or is it better

[3:14:56] Voice 21: or just to leave that open to the next body

[3:15:00] Voice 21: when this arrives there?

[3:15:04] Voice 4: I was

[3:15:05] Voice 21: curious what other members of the committee think.

[3:15:07] Voice 4: We had a conversation earlier.

[3:15:10] Voice 4: This had been addressed at a previous committee

[3:15:13] Voice 4: of the whole meeting as well.

[3:15:15] Voice 4: And what we'd said is we are going to take this

[3:15:19] Voice 4: and bring it back for further discussion

[3:15:22] Voice 4: to see if it could have a better wording.

[3:15:27] Voice 4: And as Staff Rater said, it would go out for further referral.

[3:15:35] Voice 4: But this is now the third time today that this is being reviewed.

[3:15:39] Voice 4: Trustee Fast?

[3:15:43] Trustee Fast: I think there was one other.

[3:15:45] Trustee Fast: As I understood it, Director Rater was just going to remove the recommendations in number seven.

[3:15:53] Trustee Fast: Secondly, there's 21 recommendations because there's a 18.5, I think you called it.

[3:15:59] Trustee Fast: and thirdly we were going to add the word known in front of archaeological sites where it talked

[3:16:05] Trustee Fast: about those are the three i'm aware of is there anything else no

[3:16:11] Voice 4: so uh when we come to make the

[3:16:12] Voice 4: motion it'll just be as amended i

[3:16:17] Trustee Fast: was just asking about were were there any other amendments

[3:16:20] Trustee Fast: before we get to that there was none

[3:16:23] Voice 4: okay so there was um removing seven adding the word known and

[3:16:28] Voice 4: 18.5 adding a

[3:16:33] Trustee Fast: number thank you and

[3:16:36] Voice 4: a staff had been requested to make notes of those as we went

[3:16:40] Voice 15: for clarity of the committee the 18.5 won't be material we'll simply be we'll simply be adding

[3:16:45] Voice 15: these edits to the um to the document so it's fine yeah

[3:16:50] Voice 4: so it's just um making the motion as

[3:16:52] Voice 4: amended so if there's someone who would like to make the motion and then we will break for lunch

[3:16:59] Voice 4: and come back at one o'clock uh trustee

[3:17:06] Voice 5: peterson thank

[3:17:11] Voice 21: you chair and i note that there's two uh

[3:17:13] Voice 21: motions here but let's go one at a time i move that trust programs committee request staff to

[3:17:18] Voice 21: amend the policy statement redline version in accordance with the recommendations in appendix

[3:17:24] Voice 21: one as amended of the request for decision titled policy statement amendment project

[3:17:30] Voice 21: recommended edits that respond to first nations feedback thank you

[3:17:35] Voice 4: any changes to the language

[3:17:38] Voice 4: May I have a seconder? Trustee Elliott, thank you. Any comments or discussion? Let's move to the vote. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Thank you. Please lower your hand. Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion carries. May I have someone to move the second motion?

[3:18:07] Voice 4: I

[3:18:10] Voice 21: move that Trust Council amend the 2025-2028 Strategic Plan to include Key Initiative 1.1.2, color-coded to indicate that the initiation timeline is to be determined as, quote, work with Indigenous governing bodies to co-design and implement policy statement amendment review process that ensures ongoing and more regular review and amendment of the policy statement, unquote.

[3:18:34] Voice 21: quote okay

[3:18:36] Voice 4: so i do apologize before we actually get into this motion we should have a quick

[3:18:41] Voice 4: discussion we haven't had a discussion on this item so i'm going to pause there we will bring

[3:18:47] Voice 4: this uh conversation um back when we come back from lunch so that was that was my bad i was

[3:18:55] Voice 4: rushing through this a little too quickly um is that okay any objections to pausing

[3:19:02] Voice 4: so the motion has been read but not seconded seeing no objections uh we're going to go on a

[3:19:12] Voice 4: break there's a 40 minute break now because i do want us to be back at one o'clock so we can

[3:19:17] Voice 4: get through the last hour and the last few items of the agenda if i can ask staff to put a notice

[3:19:26] Voice 4: on the screen that we are recessed until one o'clock that would be great and i'll see you

[3:19:33] Voice 4: back here in 40 minutes. Thank you.

[3:38:13] Voice 8: and then the yellow

[3:38:15] Voice 17: is model and then we've we've got on the other side of the wall we've got b

[3:38:23] Voice 17: model and b model and b model oh my god this

[3:38:26] Voice 4: is an fyi trustee maude your uh speaker is uh your

[3:38:30] Voice 4: audio is on yeah

[3:38:31] Voice 3: i'm sorry yeah it's for some reason i got kicked out back in again and kicked

[3:38:35] Voice 3: out again no

[3:38:37] Voice 4: worries we're just on a break until one o'clock but if you're having a private

[3:38:40] Voice 4: conversation you may not wish to have it uh publicly yeah

[3:38:43] Voice 3: no it was just me and the cats

[3:38:47] Voice 3: you probably don't want to hear what the cats have to say about me oh

[3:38:51] Voice 5: i love hearing what cats

[3:38:52] Voice 5: have to say but just wanted to give you a heads up

[3:38:54] Voice 3: okay thank you

[3:38:55] Voice 8: welcome welcome

[3:58:50] Voice 4: back everyone

[3:58:51] Voice 4: as you come in if you don't put your if you don't put your camera on could you just uh give a shout

[3:58:58] Voice 4: out and let me know that you're here i

[3:59:00] Voice 3: am shouting out thank

[3:59:02] Voice 4: you me

[3:59:04] Voice 3: too perfect

[3:59:06] Voice 19: hello chair evans it's

[3:59:08] Voice 19: susan yates here i have i had this meeting from one to four i'm so sorry i i had no idea it was

[3:59:17] Voice 19: at a different time no

[3:59:20] Voice 4: worries the yeah the um committee of the whole meeting was originally

[3:59:23] Voice 4: scheduled from one to four and that got cancelled so we could accommodate the tpc meeting from nine

[3:59:27] Voice 4: to two I am really sorry I got that totally mixed up don't worry we had lots to say about you when

[3:59:36] Voice 4: you weren't here oh wait I need to put my camera on so you can see that I'm playing around with

[3:59:43] Voice 4: you there you go and

[3:59:45] Voice 19: I and I was actually I was in a transportation meeting for Gabriola

[3:59:49] Voice 19: I just got back from that thinking oh I'm back just in time for the one o'clock start

[3:59:54] Voice 19: So I

[3:59:55] Voice 19: really do apologize.

[3:59:57] Voice 19: I don't know how I got that so mixed up.

[4:00:00] Voice 4: no worries and i just just to advise you we asked we are still live streaming and recording

[4:00:04] Voice 4: um because that doesn't support okay well my

[4:00:07] Voice 19: apologies should go to the

[4:00:08] Voice 4: public as well

[4:00:10] Voice 4: sounds good um trustee peterson thank

[4:00:14] Voice 21: you chair i just wanted to um advise i see that trustee

[4:00:18] Voice 21: boland is in the attendees and has a hand raised i'm not sure what that is about i just thought

[4:00:25] Voice 21: let you know all

[4:00:26] Voice 4: right um i can't see for some reason i can't see the attendees

[4:00:32] Voice 4: um so i'm not sure this isn't unfortunately right now we are not in um the public um

[4:00:40] Voice 4: what's the the word i'm looking for a public comment period so um i don't think we can

[4:00:47] Voice 4: accept comments from people that are not part of the committee right now is that correct

[4:00:52] Voice 4: If I can ask that question of any staff member who might be able to answer.

[4:01:06] Voice 15: Typically, we do not accept new participants to the meeting.

[4:01:09] Voice 15: I have texted Trustee Boland to see if I can be of assistance.

[4:01:13] Voice 4: Perfect. Thank you.

[4:01:15] Voice 4: Okay, so we are coming back to the meeting.

[4:01:21] Voice 4: We will deal with the outstanding item that we had just started.

[4:01:26] Voice 4: Then I would like to move on to the work program piece

[4:01:30] Voice 4: um because we do have because that is timely we have to get that dealt with this meeting and then

[4:01:36] Voice 4: hopefully we still have time to get into the to the uh late item that was uh sent out last night

[4:01:42] Voice 4: so with that and again apologies for having uh the motion moved without discussion um i'm going

[4:01:52] Voice 4: to turn it over to staff freighter to explain the reasoning behind this motion um there isn't any

[4:02:00] Voice 4: supporting a write-up regarding the motions so i'll turn it over to her first i know that she's

[4:02:07] Voice 4: working with with uh trustee boland so apologies for pulling you back and forth

[4:02:17] Voice 4: sorry

[4:02:18] Voice 15: trustee boland is part of this committee no

[4:02:21] Voice 4: she's not so

[4:02:23] Voice 15: okay so she's saying she got

[4:02:24] Voice 15: an invitation to the meeting okay i

[4:02:29] Voice 4: will have that was

[4:02:29] Voice 15: i will um let me sort of respond and

[4:02:34] Voice 15: I'll be back to you no

[4:02:35] Trustee Fast: worries uh trustee fast uh thank you um chair the written uh proposal for

[4:02:42] Trustee Fast: this motion is on page 109 uh if you look at the red text on that page I think uh uh Claire

[4:02:51] Trustee Fast: Fader mentioned this earlier when she was speaking the input from the Quatson Nation communities

[4:02:56] Trustee Fast: and um

[4:02:57] Trustee Fast: uh this is where this um is written in our agenda if people wanted to refer to it while

[4:03:04] Trustee Fast: Claire is getting back to things thank you maybe it's other

[4:03:07] Trustee Fast: places the one I saw yeah

[4:03:11] Voice 4: no no no

[4:03:11] Voice 4: worries um no what what I meant was we normally have when when there's a motion there is a specific

[4:03:18] Voice 4: write-up so we've got we've got um you you know what I mean like I do apologize I'm very tired

[4:03:25] Voice 4: today I'm sure you've already picked up on that with some of my wonderful comments

[4:03:36] Voice 15: okay um okay i'm happy to speak to that i'm hearing from trustee bull and she had asked

[4:03:41] Voice 15: to join this meeting and was sent the wrong invitation time um i would leave that to you

[4:03:49] Voice 15: how you wish to handle admitting her to the meeting i don't know who she asked

[4:03:55] Voice 15: or robert perhaps could you help do you know anything with

[4:04:01] Voice 16: the chair permission yes it's

[4:04:03] Voice 16: probably administrative error and probably on my part

[4:04:06] Voice 16: in regards to the RWM

[4:04:12] Voice 16: was for this meeting from 9 to 2

[4:04:16] Voice 16: and then I was informed that it was in conflict

[4:04:20] Voice 16: with the Committee of the Whole from 1 to 4, so I thought that meant

[4:04:24] Voice 16: that this meeting was from 1 to 4, which was

[4:04:28] Voice 16: initially put out there, but then I was clarified

[4:04:32] Voice 16: that it was actually from 9 to 2 so the meeting invite was updated and that would explain the

[4:04:39] Voice 16: timing issue um as to trustee bolin um i'm not sure how that could have happened i would have

[4:04:49] Voice 16: to explore that i

[4:04:53] Voice 15: can update chair that she said just leave it for now and she'll catch up with me

[4:04:56] Voice 15: me later so sounds good

[4:04:58] Voice 15: i will speak with her later okay

[4:05:00] Voice 4: thank you okay i saw trustee alia's

[4:05:04] Voice 4: hand up so i'm not sure if you had something to add in quickly before staff rater gets into her

[4:05:08] Voice 4: uh quick briefing no

[4:05:12] Voice 10: i think it's it's correct that um i still had a panelist link for the

[4:05:15] Voice 10: committee of the whole at 1 p.m and that might be what she thought she was um coming into sounds

[4:05:21] Voice 10: sounds good all

[4:05:23] Voice 4: right over to staff rater um

[4:05:26] Voice 15: yes um as i i think i mentioned earlier this second

[4:05:29] Voice 15: recommendation around the strategic plan is being brought to your attention i don't know um jason

[4:05:34] Voice 15: maybe if you could bring it on screen again on page 63 um is being brought to you simply um to

[4:05:39] Voice 15: accommodate the request we'd heard from courts and nation around their foundational desire through

[4:05:45] Voice 15: this project to be sort of um co-designing and co-delivering it with us which we've been unable

[4:05:51] Voice 15: able to deliver on and an indication that they would like to see that commitment from the trust

[4:05:55] Voice 15: for future processes so it was thought that this would be a nice signal to send that there is that

[4:06:00] Voice 15: intention in the next process that we would have this in the strategic plan to work with nations

[4:06:06] Voice 15: beyond them with all the nations of what does it look like to work together to sort of on the policy

[4:06:12] Voice 15: statement and how it would before we kick off any new process going to them and saying what is your

[4:06:16] Voice 15: desire for co-design and implementation together. So this was a recommended addition to the strategic

[4:06:23] Voice 15: plan. If indeed Trust Council takes us up on this in June, then we would be advising the nations of

[4:06:28] Voice 15: this change when we send it back out on referral.

[4:06:31] Voice 4: May I ask for some clarification? Yes. So when

[4:06:36] Voice 4: you say work with the Indigenous governing bodies to co-design and implement a policy statement

[4:06:41] Voice 4: amendment review process is that that is that to develop a uh process document like a policy

[4:06:48] Voice 4: document that's going to be co-designed with them versus um uh having um like working with them

[4:07:00] Voice 4: for the review process like which way is it so

[4:07:07] Voice 15: what i would think in in practice what this would

[4:07:09] Voice 15: would probably look like is when the next term of council picks up this direction we have a policy

[4:07:14] Voice 15: statement amendment policy that guides how we undertake amendment processes each term um likely

[4:07:20] Voice 15: we would take that out to nations have a meeting and say you know how would you like this to look

[4:07:24] Voice 15: differently that's probably in practice how it would happen and then they can let us know um

[4:07:30] Voice 15: what they would how they would like to be involved from the outset and what their expecting

[4:07:34] Voice 15: expectations are for Mylan's Trust.

[4:07:36] Voice 4: Okay I did want to get clarification on that base and I think

[4:07:40] Voice 4: maybe I'm not sure if I can have this conversation without stepping into in-camera because it does

[4:07:45] Voice 4: revolve around a legal counsel that we had received in an earlier meeting so I'm asking

[4:07:53] Voice 4: if I'm going to get into those recommendations do we need to go in-camera or not?

[4:07:58] Voice 15: No simply the

[4:07:59] Voice 15: co-designing and implementing i think it would be uh it's working with them towards that aim

[4:08:03] Voice 15: working towards consensus um and i think it would be around a trust council policy which ultimately

[4:08:08] Voice 15: is adopted by trust council but the co-designing um to co-design but we could we could refine this

[4:08:15] Voice 15: work with the digital discoveries to co-design and implement a process so i think that's fine

[4:08:22] Voice 15: yeah because we of course we're currently implementing a process with them as it stands

[4:08:26] Voice 15: now right around how our referral process works yes

[4:08:29] Voice 4: so as long as it remains with the process and

[4:08:31] Voice 4: not any co-design of policy because the policy is our governmental responsibility and that rests

[4:08:42] Voice 4: with us so i just wanted to make sure that um we are careful here this

[4:08:50] Voice 15: is around process okay

[4:08:52] Voice 4: Okay.

[4:08:53] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Trustee Patrick?

[4:08:56] Trustee Patrick: Would it help just to add the word future, implement a future policy statement amendment,

[4:09:02] Trustee Patrick: just to clarify that we're not talking about this one.

[4:09:07] Voice 15: Yeah, I think that could be a helpful amendment.

[4:09:13] Voice 4: Okay. So replace the word A with future and implement future policy statement amendment review processes.

[4:09:25] Voice 4: That works.

[4:09:28] Voice 4: because then that also says it's each time we go through it they are separate they are a process

[4:09:35] Voice 4: not a policy not a yeah okay um so the motion i'm just gonna say the motion was moved um

[4:09:48] Voice 4: can we get the motion on the screen with the edits just

[4:10:07] Voice 15: checking with staff here we would

[4:10:08] Voice 15: unshare the pdf and have robert share the minutes is

[4:10:13] Voice 4: he are you working on getting that on the

[4:10:14] Voice 4: the screen with the edits?

[4:10:16] Voice 16: I'm not sure what you mean, Chair, by edits. I was working with

[4:10:22] Voice 16: Trustee Boland, and I may have lost the track of this conversation, but could you tell me once

[4:10:29] Voice 16: again where we are then? Absolutely.

[4:10:31] Voice 4: Could we bring the motion up on the screen? There were

[4:10:35] Voice 4: a couple of edits that were just recommended, so we can just add those edits in.

[4:10:42] Voice 16: Is this the

[4:10:43] Voice 16: that's the one

[4:10:44] Voice 16: one that you're referring to all right uh

[4:10:46] Voice 4: yes so we had recommended

[4:10:50] Voice 4: um to replace the word a after and implement to future so move your mouse two words over

[4:11:05] Voice 4: next word yeah that a replace that word a with future and pluralize process perfect all right

[4:11:26] Voice 4: um does that work for people does there any other comments any discussion on the intent here

[4:11:41] Voice 4: not seeing any all right um i would then like to call for a seconder trustee fast thank you

[4:11:49] Voice 4: very much um any discussion on the motion second call seeing none let's move to the vote all those

[4:12:00] Voice 4: in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand any opposed um one opposed all

[4:12:15] Voice 4: right that carries so now um as i said before we get into the um the late item let's move on to

[4:12:30] Voice 4: the work program so we can make sure that this gets addressed and this is on page 158 on the

[4:12:37] Voice 4: the agenda because there are a couple of recommended changes i'm going to turn this

[4:12:45] Voice 4: over to staff rater to walk us through this

[4:12:54] Voice 8: okay

[4:13:04] Voice 7: are we uh just

[4:13:08] Trustee Fast: too fast um are we going to do the

[4:13:13] Trustee Fast: uh recommended policy statement revisions that came in late 7.7 yeah

[4:13:19] Voice 4: i just i said before we

[4:13:20] Voice 4: broke for lunch and i just said right now we're going to deal with the work program because this

[4:13:24] Voice 4: This is urgent and timely, and then we will go back to that item.

[4:13:29] Voice 4: Sorry, I was writing notes.

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: Sorry.

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: No worries.

[4:13:35] Voice 5: Sounds great to go ahead.

[4:13:36] Voice 15: Okay.

[4:13:37] Voice 15: So thank you, committee.

[4:13:38] Voice 15: This was provided to you at your last meeting, which is intended to the new proposed work

[4:13:43] Voice 15: program, particularly your future items are meant to reflect the new strategic plan assignments.

[4:13:48] Voice 15: As discussed at your last meeting, your interpretation of the strategic plan is that when it says

[4:13:53] Voice 15: is tubely implemented that does not mean tubely implemented this year to initiate business cases

[4:13:59] Voice 15: but indeed a year from now in 2026 um so i'm wanting we will be making that change for you

[4:14:07] Voice 15: before it travels on to trust council but wanting to see if there's any other additional changes you

[4:14:11] Voice 15: would like made and

[4:14:14] Voice 4: so uh trustee fast go ahead you're muted sorry i just left my hand up i'm

[4:14:25] Voice 4: going to pipe down no worries trustee elliott yeah

[4:14:31] Voice 10: i had a question about prioritization um

[4:14:34] Voice 10: so there's is it 13 12 um initiatives and all the top ones are linked to the strategic plan

[4:14:45] Voice 10: so i'm assuming that the 13th recommended updates to crown line agreements is not

[4:14:50] Voice 10: not, although that one may have to go back to EC. So yeah, is there a better order? Or is this an

[4:15:02] Voice 10: order of implementation date? Or in the order that they appear with the strategic plan?

[4:15:09] Voice 15: I believe I pulled the order of the strategic plan. If we go to the bottom of page 165,

[4:15:15] Voice 15: you will see that in there, indeed agreements and updating of agreements is a strategic plan

[4:15:20] Voice 15: activity which is um strategic plan initiative 127 um it's assigned to executive committee um

[4:15:27] Voice 15: so we'll be working with the executive committee when we get around to updating that agreement i

[4:15:30] Voice 15: believe that work was not intended to start already my my hope is that we'll update this

[4:15:34] Voice 15: will take priority i do not see prioritization in the way in which they're listed in the work

[4:15:38] Voice 15: program but i would say i do need to hire a second policy advisor before we start that work

[4:15:48] Voice 15: Okay,

[4:15:53] Voice 4: so what we're looking at is to replace update crowned land agreements, community benefit and land trust concept and community stewardship awards program with consider community benefit land trust concept for the Islands Trust, implement community stewardship awards program, which I think is that's that's timely for this one.

[4:16:19] Voice 4: and review all trust council policies

[4:16:21] Voice 4: and where appropriate amend or rescind.

[4:16:23] Voice 4: So these house the items that we had identified prior.

[4:16:31] Voice 4: And then that's the concept.

[4:16:35] Voice 4: So yeah, so as I see it, we have,

[4:16:39] Voice 4: or as Daffrida has taken the line item

[4:16:44] Voice 4: from the strategic plan and dropped it on top here

[4:16:48] Voice 4: and it in effect still keeps what we had listed as our priorities just linking them

[4:17:00] Voice 4: to the strategic plan yeah okay i see that and i'm happy with that any other comments or

[4:17:09] Voice 15: um simply that we will make the change of having business cases due by september of 26 with

[4:17:14] Voice 15: implementation in 26 27 28 and i believe the cio is prompting a discussion about this at

[4:17:20] Voice 15: at trust council because regional planning committee had a different interpretation

[4:17:25] Voice 15: so we will simply forward it as the committee wishes and then you can

[4:17:28] Voice 15: have that conversation at trust council sounds

[4:17:32] Voice 4: good and as far as process and timing goes

[4:17:35] Voice 4: once trust council has endorsed this revised project report then we can move forward with

[4:17:46] Voice 4: business cases but we need to have endorsement first that's perfect

[4:17:50] Voice 15: what i would suggest is if

[4:17:52] Voice 15: trust council has a different interpretation and wants business cases this year trust council can

[4:17:56] Voice 15: direct us to do it rather than convening a whole trust programs committee meeting for that purpose

[4:18:01] Voice 4: absolutely excellent anybody have any other comments or recommendations here if not i would

[4:18:10] Voice 4: would ask that somebody read the um the motion there we go it's on the screen uh trustee fast

[4:18:31] Voice 4: you

[4:18:33] Trustee Fast: asked for somebody to read the motion but i read a lot of them i'll do it if you want

[4:18:37] Trustee Fast: go for it okay that trust programs committee approved the proposed work program report

[4:18:43] Trustee Fast: as presented and forwarded to trust council for approval thank

[4:18:49] Voice 4: you any changes to the wording

[4:18:52] Voice 4: so we're taking off the um the amended i

[4:18:56] Voice 15: think it's to be as amended is it i'm looking at the

[4:19:00] Voice 15: one that's in here uh

[4:19:02] Voice 4: but we didn't okay i think it's as presented or as amended we didn't amend

[4:19:06] Voice 4: it so i would if i might

[4:19:09] Voice 15: chair i think you want me to amend it because the one showing in your

[4:19:11] Voice 15: package has business cases due this year and you're wanting me to shift everything by a year

[4:19:15] Trustee Fast: yeah i was confused okay i changed my wording to as amended oh our chair has frozen

[4:19:26] Trustee Fast: oh there

[4:19:32] Voice 4: we go i do apologize um so i didn't see where it was a men like

[4:19:37] Voice 4: if

[4:19:39] Voice 15: i might share for example it says business for climate education plan it has business cases due

[4:19:45] Voice 15: in september of 25 i'm going to change that to 26 and then project plans for a year following

[4:19:51] Voice 15: instead of 26 27 it would be for 27 28 so i'll just make those date changes reflecting your

[4:19:57] Voice 15: understanding of the strategic plan implementation very minor i just shift everything by a year where

[4:20:02] Voice 15: it references a year so there

[4:20:05] Voice 15: there's an example right there on screen i'll just make those changes

[4:20:08] Voice 15: to move everything forward by a year oh

[4:20:11] Voice 4: i see those in the future ones um yeah so um there's

[4:20:18] Voice 4: a future where am i looking for current yeah so the current ones we don't have business case dates

[4:20:24] Voice 4: it's just the future ones that's right yeah yep yep okay gotcha understood okay thank you for the

[4:20:30] Voice 4: clarity because i was looking at the future projects and i just couldn't see it um okay so

[4:20:37] Voice 4: that will be read as amended okay perfect may i have a seconder for the motion trustee yates thank

[4:20:45] Voice 4: you so much any further discussion or clarification comments nothing all right um in that case i'm

[4:20:55] Voice 4: to call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand thank you please lower your hand any

[4:21:05] Voice 4: opposed one opposed that carries thank you very much now we are going to go back to the late

[4:21:16] Voice 4: agenda item i'm just going to see if i can pull that up on my screen too where is it i think i

[4:21:29] Voice 4: I had it printed.

[4:21:32] Voice 11: Is it this one here?

[4:21:37] Voice 4: Right.

[4:21:37] Voice 4: So I'm going to turn this over to Staff Yeomans who pulled this together.

[4:21:46] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair Evans, and apologies for the rather late arrival of this late agenda item.

[4:21:53] Voice 1: It addresses some issues that were encountered both in the course of our copy editing of the document.

[4:21:59] Voice 1: We sort of came upon some changes that we believe need to be made that were beyond mere copy edits and actually changed the substance of some policies.

[4:22:09] Voice 1: And it also highlights a couple of issues that we've known about some time, but just sort of have been sitting on waiting for an opportune time to bring forward.

[4:22:17] Voice 1: And so those revisions are identified here.

[4:22:21] Voice 1: year. Potential change to the growth management policy that is currently in the draft new policy

[4:22:29] Voice 1: statement. This was based on a review of the document by some of our planners. They wanted

[4:22:35] Voice 1: what they described as less urban wording to this policy and something a little more reflective of

[4:22:41] Voice 1: the Islands Trust context. So they're proposing a policy that says manage community growth and

[4:22:47] Voice 1: its associated impacts by directing residential, commercial and industrial development

[4:22:51] Voice 1: into suitable locations to prevent sprawl, minimize fragmentation of forest lands,

[4:22:55] Voice 1: and avoid adverse impacts to Indigenous cultural heritage, harvesting, and hunting areas.

[4:23:04] Voice 4: Shall we just deal with these one at a time?

[4:23:07] Voice 4: Sure.

[4:23:08] Voice 4: Yeah, because I think it's good if you have the explanation and then it's fresh.

[4:23:13] Voice 4: So comments or questions on this suggested change?

[4:23:20] Voice 4: Trustee Harris?

[4:23:21] Voice 4: my

[4:23:23] Voice 18: thanks can you hear me

[4:23:24] Voice 4: absolutely so

[4:23:27] Voice 18: this comment i hear or you know this revision or

[4:23:31] Voice 18: whatever it is it seems to me this is actually um it contradicts itself and um managing growth

[4:23:41] Voice 18: and its associated impacts you know on it goes to avoid adverse impacts to indigenous cultural

[4:23:50] Voice 18: cultural heritage. Well, some of that actually is adversarial to Indigenous, especially local

[4:23:58] Voice 18: Indigenous that live on the islands. So, you know, I have a complete problem with this whole

[4:24:05] Voice 18: statement and don't think it belongs in here at all. Thank you.

[4:24:11] Voice 18: Okay,

[4:24:13] Voice 4: thank you for your comment. Any other comments on this suggested change? So, Trustee Fast?

[4:24:31] Trustee Fast: Sure. I don't have a question, just a comment to say I support this revision of the text.

[4:24:41] Trustee Fast: It seems to me to be more island-focused as opposed to growth pressures in surrounding rural areas, like aren't we mostly rural?

[4:24:53] Trustee Fast: and uh and to add in some of the things that we have been adding in uh such as uh

[4:25:00] Trustee Fast: plenty of consideration of uh um indigenous cultural heritage harvesting and hunting areas

[4:25:08] Trustee Fast: and uh so i think um uh i i support it thank you thank you uh trustee elliot

[4:25:19] Voice 10: it yeah

[4:25:21] Voice 10: um as well i do too this this sort of has three important components that we

[4:25:27] Voice 10: need to consider um protecting and um so the the human habitation not fragmenting the forest lands

[4:25:38] Voice 10: and not impacting indigenous natural heritage it's totally appropriate and i think you cut

[4:25:49] Voice 10: out a

[4:25:50] Voice 10: little bit there i'm

[4:25:53] Voice 4: not sure if you're finished well

[4:25:54] Voice 10: yeah i i was finished i just i

[4:25:56] Voice 10: I support the proposed policy revision.

[4:26:00] Voice 10: Thanks.

[4:26:00] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:26:02] Voice 10: Trustee Harris?

[4:26:03] Voice 18: Maybe I could have made myself a bit more clear.

[4:26:05] Voice 18: My apologies.

[4:26:07] Voice 18: When I see minimized fragmentation of forest lands, on Salt Spring Island, for instance,

[4:26:13] Voice 18: some of the largest landowners are local First Nations.

[4:26:16] Voice 18: And it's part of their heritage to log and do as they see fit with those very large properties,

[4:26:25] Voice 18: which are suitable for development.

[4:26:28] Voice 18: And so, again, this is a contradictory statement, clearly,

[4:26:32] Voice 18: and I'm sure we'll get kicked back, and I really hope, loudly,

[4:26:37] Voice 18: from the community on this if it comes forward to the community.

[4:26:41] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:26:42] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:26:45] Voice 4: I think if I may just add a small comment in there.

[4:26:48] Voice 4: I think when we're talking about minimizing the fragmentation of forest lands,

[4:26:52] Voice 4: We're not necessarily talking about managed forest areas versus the natural protected forest lands. I think those are two slightly different things.

[4:27:04] Voice 4: I

[4:27:04] Voice 18: don't see that.

[4:27:05] Voice 18: I'm

[4:27:06] Voice 4: sorry, Trustee Harris. Trustee Elliott, I'll come back to you. Trustee Elliott, you have your hand up.

[4:27:15] Voice 4: That was a

[4:27:15] Voice 10: mistake. My apologies.

[4:27:17] Voice 4: No worries. Trustee Harris, please go ahead.

[4:27:19] Voice 18: I'm sorry. Well, what you had just stated isn't, like, that's just an assumption. That isn't stated clearly. Fragmentation of forest lands. There's no mention of private property, which is private property owned by local First Nations. This is a complete overreach. We had a huge kickback to this type of language in last term, in which there was a huge mandate for us, you know, people that got elected to fight against this kind of thing. And so, you know, I'll leave it at that.

[4:27:49] Voice 4: Thank you very much for your comments. I do appreciate them. And we will see how this does land. But yes, your comments are important. Any other comments? Okay, let's move on to the next one, please. So this is a new policy. Go ahead, Steph Yeomans.

[4:28:11] Voice 4: It

[4:28:12] Voice 1: is. Thank you, Chair Evans. It was noted in the course of the review of the document that it currently fails to mention some of the types of large structures that are sometimes constructed in the marine area for the purpose of either protecting shoreline infrastructure and whatnot.

[4:28:31] Voice 1: I think from the staff perspective, it would be recommended to minimize these sorts of large structures, except where it is required to protect either some important community asset or indeed some commercial enterprise.

[4:28:50] Voice 1: Essentially, what this policy is trying to avoid is people building breakwaters in front of their residential properties or otherwise altering the shoreline, because we know that through the construction of those types of structures, there are often effects are passed upstream or downstream of those structures that then change the shoreline characteristics for neighboring properties on either side.

[4:29:16] Voice 8: But

[4:29:17] Voice 1: also recognizing that they are important to protect certain types of infrastructure, ferry terminals and marinas and that.

[4:29:26] Voice 4: Okay, so I'm just going to ask for a point of clarification on the meaning of this.

[4:29:31] Voice 4: So this is to prohibit the construction of shoreline protection elements, or is this breakwaters as in out in the water?

[4:29:43] Voice 4: I want to know if it's out in the water or if it's shoreline.

[4:29:47] Voice 4: Out

[4:29:48] Voice 1: in the water.

[4:29:49] Voice 1: Sorry, I'm thinking things that extend perpendicularly from the shoreline as opposed to running parallel to the shoreline.

[4:29:58] Voice 1: So it's not shoreline.

[4:30:00] Voice 1: retention or shoreline stabilization structures that we're talking about.

[4:30:04] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you for the clarification. Trustee Harris?

[4:30:09] Voice 18: Thank you. Do we not already have policies in place? Seems to me that we do.

[4:30:15] Voice 18: I

[4:30:18] Voice 4: think staff just mentioned that this was an oversight and it does not currently exist.

[4:30:22] Voice 4: None that this does not currently exist within the policy statement. Trustee Yates?

[4:30:32] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair

[4:30:32] Voice 19: Evans. I support this. Thank you.

[4:30:36] Voice 19: Thank

[4:30:36] Trustee Fast: you. Trustee Fest?

[4:30:39] Trustee Fast: I, too, support this. Thank you, Chair.

[4:30:41] Trustee Fast: In fact, I would propose to remove the word limit or at the beginning

[4:30:48] Trustee Fast: and just have it as prohibit the construction or installation of breakwaters, groins, etc.

[4:30:56] Trustee Fast: etc. Because all of these things are in the public realm, the public, provincial shoreline area. So

[4:31:08] Trustee Fast: they're where the public can walk. And I'm just thinking about how the shoreline looks in places

[4:31:17] Trustee Fast: of Europe, like Europe, and looking ahead 100 years, do we want to look like the Mediterranean?

[4:31:24] Trustee Fast: Do we want to have seawalls and people walking on them? I know that's extreme. It sounds extreme for our islands right now, but looking ahead 100 or 200 years, this is the kind of activity we're seeing people coming up against and that the trust has to push back on.

[4:31:47] Trustee Fast: And I think it would be good to be really clear in our directive policies that they're not allowed to harden shorelines and change shorelines outside of the few examples that are here.

[4:32:08] Trustee Fast: So that's my suggestion. Otherwise, I'm in favor. Thank you.

[4:32:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:32:12] Voice 4: And just as a clarification, because I just did this clarification with staff humans, this is not shoreline. This is out in the water.

[4:32:24] Voice 1: Yeah, it is the intent of this policy to refer to structures that extend perpendicularly from the shoreline.

[4:32:32] Voice 1: And in the case of a breakwater, often make a right hand jog to protect the left hand jog to protect the marina that's tucked in behind them.

[4:32:40] Voice 1: it is not meant to address shoreline stabilization or

[4:32:46] Voice 4: sea walls or sea walls

[4:32:49] Voice 4: trustee harris well

[4:32:51] Voice 18: if that's the case there's a couple things here um this is out of our

[4:32:56] Voice 18: jurisdiction um and uh and it's also you know it's unclear as well you're saying it's things

[4:33:04] Voice 18: that stick out perpendicular from the shoreline well there's no mention if it's attached to the

[4:33:08] Voice 18: the shoreline or on and on it goes it'd be you know there's there's some details that are clearly

[4:33:14] Voice 18: not here and to have a broad statement like this that is clearly out of our jurisdiction this does

[4:33:18] Voice 18: not belong here there already are other governmental agencies even including the island's

[4:33:23] Voice 18: trust the ltc you know the ltc when it comes to things like this that's referred back to us

[4:33:29] Voice 18: already so you know again we've had some issues at the last trust policy statement and that were

[4:33:38] Voice 18: were quite large and problematic for the communities and resulted in the trust council

[4:33:45] Voice 18: that we see in front of us today. So I do not think this belongs in here and I will not be

[4:33:50] Voice 18: in favor of it. Thank you.

[4:33:52] Voice 4: Thank you for your comments, Trustee Harris. Is it okay if I go to

[4:33:56] Voice 4: Staff Rater first, Trustee Faust? Okay, Staff Rater.

[4:34:00] Voice 15: Thank you, Chair. I just want to assure

[4:34:02] Voice 15: everyone this document will be going in again for legal review. So should there be any matters that

[4:34:06] Voice 15: fall outside the trust jurisdiction it will be caught by legal counsel and that feedback will

[4:34:10] Voice 15: be provided back to trust counsel i

[4:34:12] Voice 4: appreciate that was actually going to be one of my uh closing

[4:34:15] Voice 4: questions so i appreciate that even though i kind of already knew the answer trusty fast

[4:34:21] Trustee Fast: thank you i just would like to uh clarify my earlier comments um these all of these kinds

[4:34:29] Trustee Fast: of structures that stick out perpendicular from the shore uh usually uh somebody who's trying to

[4:34:36] Trustee Fast: to walk along a shoreline, or move along a shoreline, I should say, even if it's rocky,

[4:34:41] Trustee Fast: when they reach one of these structures, they usually have to go up and over and down to the

[4:34:48] Trustee Fast: other side again. Or at least that's the way my experience has been happening on Bowen. And

[4:34:56] Trustee Fast: this interrupts not only the viewscape and the aesthetic feeling of being out on the beach or

[4:35:03] Trustee Fast: the shore or the coast but it also makes it more difficult to traverse it also

[4:35:11] Trustee Fast: changes the beach nourishment so this is whether whether it starves it or feeds it or catches sand

[4:35:18] Trustee Fast: that could come from another beach this is partly why they're put in right is in order to

[4:35:23] Trustee Fast: change the flow of gravels and sands and silts and it usually means that it or it may mean

[4:35:34] Trustee Fast: that that sand and gravel and silt is captured from somewhere else that could be receiving it

[4:35:40] Trustee Fast: so starving somewhere further down the coast and the third part is that I wanted to mention is

[4:35:47] Trustee Fast: All of these structures can also funnel storm surges and high water and waves in extreme storms.

[4:35:56] Trustee Fast: And recently here on Bowen, we had a, not necessarily due to this, but at the ferry terminal, which is usually built to very high standards, we had waves at a really high tide, not an especially dangerous storm.

[4:36:12] Trustee Fast: We didn't think, but it dislodged part of the main apron, that floating concrete apron structure, so our ferry terminal was damaged by the storm.

[4:36:22] Trustee Fast: So I just, that funneling of rising seas and more extreme weather and changing wind directions, as well as the materials on the beach and where they get deposited or taken from, and the walking and aesthetics.

[4:36:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:36:44] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:36:46] Voice 4: My comments.

[4:36:47] Voice 4: Yes, this I think is an important area for protection.

[4:36:55] Voice 4: There is a lot of follow on and as Trustee Fass said, flow down implications.

[4:37:02] Voice 4: However, I would like to keep the limit or in the beginning, just because we are unaware

[4:37:08] Voice 4: aware of um potential things that we haven't necessarily taken into consideration today

[4:37:16] Voice 4: um so i like the limit or it it still keeps it uh it it it opens it up in case something were to be

[4:37:25] Voice 4: on an ltc where you didn't necessarily want to outright prohibit all of this and be mandated

[4:37:34] Voice 4: to prohibit all of it, you may want to start by limiting it or, yeah, I think as a first step,

[4:37:42] Voice 4: I would say limit or, and then if we want to, after we've had a review of it, remove those two

[4:37:48] Voice 4: words, I think it's easier to remove those two words than it is to add them in at a later date.

[4:37:54] Voice 4: But generally, yes, I'm in support of this. Trustee Harris?

[4:37:58] Voice 4: Thank

[4:37:59] Voice 18: you. These things are already limited. The Islands Trust is under a great strain, as we've heard from the CAO very recently.

[4:38:10] Voice 18: Comments about silt or gravel, these are all assumptions. There have been no studies. Each area is different to one in itself.

[4:38:19] Voice 18: So the argument here holds zero credibility, in my view, for this to be in here. It's problematic at best.

[4:38:28] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:38:30] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:38:31] Voice 4: And as we've also stated, this will have another round of review and also legal review to address

[4:38:41] Voice 4: the federal issue as well and jurisdictional issues.

[4:38:45] Voice 4: So we will have that review.

[4:38:48] Voice 4: Trustee Yates, are you muted?

[4:38:53] Voice 5: You

[4:38:58] Voice 19: are still muted.

[4:38:59] Voice 19: Oh, can you hear me now?

[4:39:01] Voice 7: Yes.

[4:39:01] Voice 7: Okay,

[4:39:02] Voice 19: you know, I'm also having a problem with my internet connection because of the wind. So I might have to turn the video off at some point. I'll just do that. So I know of studies done on exactly this issue done by the Pacific Salmon Foundation. I don't have time to look for them now, but they are certainly out there.

[4:39:23] Voice 19: And I agree with saying limit or prohibit at this point. Thank you.

[4:39:32] Voice 4: Thank you. Any further comments or discussion on this section, or can we move on to the next one? Okay, let's move on to the next one. And this one is with regards to removing access to recreational facilities, as staff have indicated that it is included in the location of types of recreational facilities. I'll turn it over to Staff Yeomans for his briefing.

[4:40:00] Voice 4: Yeah,

[4:40:01] Voice 1: thank you, Chair. This just seemed like a redundant policy to us where the spirit of the policy is generally captured in the one that precedes it already, which is that if in the identification of appropriate locations for recreation facilities, part of that consideration would be how those recreational facilities are going to be accessed.

[4:40:23] Voice 1: Like the two, you know, the thing that makes a good location for a recreational facility would assume something to do with the fact that it's easy to access or accessed in a way that is consistent with the object of the Islands Trust.

[4:40:38] Voice 1: And so we just weren't entirely sure that having this access to recreational facilities policy added any additional benefit to the document.

[4:40:50] Voice 4: Thank you. Trustee Harris, go ahead, and then I'll have my comment.

[4:40:54] Voice 18: There seems to be a pattern here with this policy statement, and I do think the communities will kick back. From what I'm just hearing here is that, yeah, we don't need to mention anything about recreational facilities. So, in other words, let's forget about the community. And all these policies are, you know, things in front of this that we've just looked at are nothing but, you know, more things that are against people doing anything.

[4:41:17] Voice 18: Why, you know, for all intents and purposes, why doesn't the policy statement just say everybody move off the island or islands?

[4:41:25] Voice 18: You know, this is ridiculous.

[4:41:27] Voice 4: Trustee Harris, I'm just going to correct what you've just said, if that's OK.

[4:41:32] Voice 4: There are two policies in here.

[4:41:37] Voice 4: One is access to recreational facilities.

[4:41:40] Voice 4: And then the next, the one prior to it is the location and type of recreational facilities.

[4:41:45] Voice 4: So the location and types will remain there. And it may be a simple addition to say, and this is my comment, identify appropriate access comma locations and types of facility or identify appropriate access to comma locations, something along those lines, so that the access to recreational facilities is captured in the follow on policy regarding recreational facilities.

[4:42:12] Voice 4: facilities uh everything else that was in there is already um housed in the longer version

[4:42:18] Voice 4: uh trustee harris with

[4:42:22] Voice 18: that rationale um that you've just stated why there's the previous um

[4:42:27] Voice 18: thing about the wharfs and all the rest of that even in here because that's out of our jurisdiction

[4:42:32] Voice 18: and you know so again so much of this whole deal is contradictory and hypocritical and i'm going

[4:42:39] Voice 4: to oppose you there trustee harris i'm going to ask that you because you are in the public forum

[4:42:45] Voice 4: that we are careful with our language please there's

[4:42:48] Voice 18: nothing wrong with the language that

[4:42:49] Voice 18: i just used i'll be happy to use um contradictory and hypocritical um again and again and again

[4:42:53] Voice 18: thank you thank

[4:42:56] Voice 4: you trustee harris um i will state though that this is a safe work environment

[4:43:03] Voice 4: and if you are going to be...

[4:43:06] Voice 4: There's nothing unsafe about

[4:43:07] Voice 18: what I said.

[4:43:08] Voice 18: Nothing unsafe about what I said.

[4:43:09] Voice 4: I'm sorry, Trustee Harris.

[4:43:09] Voice 18: There's nothing unsafe about what I said.

[4:43:11] Voice 18: Please

[4:43:11] Voice 4: mute Trustee Harris.

[4:43:14] Voice 4: If you continue this, Trustee Harris,

[4:43:16] Voice 4: I will have you removed from this meeting.

[4:43:18] Voice 4: Please be respectful of the staff and the trustees

[4:43:22] Voice 4: while we are in our workspace.

[4:43:26] Voice 4: I will not tolerate it.

[4:43:28] Voice 4: I like to hear your comments,

[4:43:31] Voice 4: but i will not tolerate abusive behavior in here thank

[4:43:39] Voice 5: you trustee fast thank

[4:43:43] Trustee Fast: you chair um i um

[4:43:45] Trustee Fast: i like your idea of including the word uh access into the um location and types because what i

[4:43:56] Trustee Fast: find is the i think it was i may have been the one who brought up this access to recreational

[4:44:01] Trustee Fast: facilities I think quite quite a while ago so it's been now the text of the whole document has

[4:44:08] Trustee Fast: evolved and I'm I think it would be great to include the word access appropriate access

[4:44:14] Trustee Fast: in there because often our society is so car centric that people only think about the parking

[4:44:25] Trustee Fast: lot or where can the road go and they don't think about the trail that might lead down from the

[4:44:30] Trustee Fast: the neighborhood or the pathway that has always been used by people to get to the back of the

[4:44:36] Trustee Fast: store or whatever and or to the ball diamond and to cut through to get to the very terminal

[4:44:42] Trustee Fast: all these little um access routes uh that can sometimes um if they're not specifically taken

[4:44:52] Trustee Fast: care of suddenly there's a change of ownership and a fence goes up and uh now people can't walk

[4:45:00] Trustee Fast: to the recreation facility anymore even though that may be like a kilometer away but it's the

[4:45:08] Trustee Fast: main walking or cycling route anyway i just uh i like your suggestion chair evans of including the

[4:45:16] Trustee Fast: word uh access into um 3.4.2.20 thank

[4:45:23] Voice 4: you thank you i'm going to go to trustee yeats and then

[4:45:27] Voice 4: I'm going to go to Trustee Harris. Thank you, Chair Evans.

[4:45:30] Voice 18: My hand was up first. This is complete travesty.

[4:45:34] Voice 18: Please

[4:45:34] Voice 4: remove Trustee Harris from the meeting. Thank you, Chair Evans.

[4:45:42] Voice 4: I'm pausing. Please remove Trustee Harris from the meeting for, thank you, Trustee Yates.

[4:45:52] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair Evans. I too like the idea of adding that word access,

[4:45:59] Voice 19: And I have to say that this particular statement fits just beautifully with the 10-year Master Parks and Recreation Plan that the Gabriola Trust Area is working on right now.

[4:46:11] Voice 19: Quite similar statements in that plan.

[4:46:14] Voice 19: And it's kind of been nice, too, that we've been doing that plan at the same time as we're doing our official community plan review.

[4:46:21] Voice 19: review and so it's even nicer that we have a statement like this in the policy statement

[4:46:27] Voice 19: which i hope will move forward um yeah it just kind of makes it all fit together thank you

[4:46:34] Voice 19: thank

[4:46:35] Voice 4: you any other comments on the recreational facilities section trustee peterson yeah i'll

[4:46:45] Voice 21: just chime in i'm always in favor of the public access piece perfect

[4:46:49] Voice 4: so um if staff humans has

[4:46:52] Voice 4: take a note of adding in the word access. And then when we come to do the motion at the end,

[4:46:59] Voice 4: it'll be as amended. See nothing. Thank you very much. Okay, so we're now moving on to

[4:47:09] Voice 4: the policy statement implementation and reconciliation section. So this is section 4.1

[4:47:15] Voice 4: of the policy statement. Go ahead, Steph Yeomans.

[4:47:22] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair. This proposed language

[4:47:26] Voice 1: language reflects a comment that we had received from Indigenous governing bodies in the course of

[4:47:31] Voice 1: our engagement on a previous draft of the policy statement that they wanted to know what their

[4:47:37] Voice 1: role would be in the implementation of the document itself. So they wanted to ensure that

[4:47:42] Voice 1: they were reflected in the implementation section. So the language that you see here before you is

[4:47:49] Voice 1: kind of the best that we could come up with in short order once we excavated that feedback

[4:47:55] Voice 1: feedback through Claire's hard work of the last couple of weeks compiling all of that

[4:47:59] Voice 1: information and feedback. So it's first pass on the issue and open to any feedback that you may

[4:48:05] Voice 1: have on it. Thanks.

[4:48:07] Voice 4: Thank you. So my comments are, I enjoy seeing this in here. This is something

[4:48:12] Voice 4: that is already in practice, but it's not necessarily written down in policy. So I think

[4:48:18] Voice 4: it's good to have it at this level. It really does strengthen our commitment to working with First

[4:48:25] Voice 4: Nations on our local trust committee level and other levels. So yeah, I support this.

[4:48:39] Voice 4: Any other comments?

[4:48:46] Trustee Fast: Trustee Gust?

[4:48:48] Trustee Fast: Just that I support this as well. And I'm going to go see what's beeping in the other room.

[4:48:53] Trustee Fast: excuse me for a moment.

[4:48:56] Voice 4: Okay so if I'm not hearing any additional comments on this section we can

[4:49:01] Voice 4: move on to the last section which is the Indigenous Inherent Rights Acknowledgement. So there was there

[4:49:08] Voice 4: is a recommended edition of a sentence in the first paragraph. Go ahead Steph Yeomans. Thank you

[4:49:16] Voice 1: Chair. Sort of simmering in the back you know notwithstanding the work Claire has done in the

[4:49:22] Voice 1: the last couple of weeks. We've known for some time that there's a desire by Indigenous governing

[4:49:26] Voice 1: bodies with territorial interest in the Islands Trust Area for us to acknowledge not just their

[4:49:34] Voice 1: inherent rights, but their title to the lands and waters as well. So we've done a little bit

[4:49:41] Voice 1: of research on the issue. The verbiage that we have here in red is kind of our best recommendation

[4:49:47] Voice 1: on on what to do about this uh in the short term it's it's a it's a complex issue right the the

[4:49:55] Voice 1: and the acknowledgement of of title has ramifications that i i'm not sure we

[4:50:01] Voice 1: entirely entirely understand yet and so um it's our suggestion that the um that title is in some

[4:50:13] Voice 1: way protected under Section 35 of the Constitution Act. And so we will acknowledge and recognize that

[4:50:21] Voice 1: and of course, continue the discussion.

[4:50:25] Voice 4: Perfect. Thank you. Anybody have any

[4:50:28] Voice 4: additional comments, questions or discussion on this item? Trustee Fast? You're muted.

[4:50:38] Trustee Fast: Sorry, it was a fire alarm. All okay. I'm supporting this idea. But now you say the word title. It is a bigger discussion. But I wonder if at the bottom, it could say ongoing discussion and recognition of these rights and title.

[4:51:08] Trustee Fast: like what would be the harm about putting title in there in that it might

[4:51:14] Trustee Fast: not it might help trustees not be surprised when it comes before them it

[4:51:19] Trustee Fast: might help everybody be clear about what we're talking about and and we know that

[4:51:23] Trustee Fast: there is such a thing as title why might not make it visible in by adding these

[4:51:32] Trustee Fast: words and knowing that this still needs to go through legal review I propose

[4:51:37] Trustee Fast: pose adding rights and title or something that's more appropriate down there at the bottom. Thank

[4:51:44] Trustee Fast: you.

[4:51:46] Voice 4: I'm going to go to Staff Rita. I could see her smiling. I'm quite sure that there's been a

[4:51:51] Voice 4: considerable amount of thought through this process. So Staff Rita.

[4:51:56] Voice 15: There has been a great

[4:51:57] Voice 15: deal of thought put into these words. So I want to assure you of that. Essentially, it's not for

[4:52:01] Voice 15: Islands Trust to be recognising title. That is for much more senior levels of government. And

[4:52:06] Voice 15: And really, we would have no role in discussion or review

[4:52:10] Voice 15: of title.

[4:52:11] Voice 15: So we thought it best just to avoid the mention.

[4:52:14] Voice 15: The Constitution Act protects all inherent rights,

[4:52:17] Voice 15: which includes title.

[4:52:18] Voice 15: So really, your first sentence indeed

[4:52:20] Voice 15: covers off the concept in general anyway.

[4:52:24] Voice 15: But I just want to show you, we have

[4:52:26] Voice 15: workshopped this extensively and landed here.

[4:52:29] Voice 15: So at this time, this is our best advice.

[4:52:32] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:52:33] Voice 15: And I would say with this document generally,

[4:52:36] Voice 15: you know under promising and over delivering would be the way to go so again easier to stretch

[4:52:41] Voice 15: forward later than to over promise now and have to walk the language back all

[4:52:46] Voice 19: right trustee yeats

[4:52:47] Voice 19: director freighter answered my question thank

[4:52:51] Voice 4: you and i'm going to say that is also an overarching

[4:52:56] Voice 4: comment that i had with regards to the policy statement as a whole based on what we've gone

[4:53:03] Voice 4: gone through in the previous term with how this landed. It is better that we make a progressive

[4:53:10] Voice 4: step forward than to run into really large roadblocks where the project is halted. I would

[4:53:16] Voice 4: much rather make progress. We might not make as much progress as we want, but progress is good.

[4:53:25] Voice 4: So definitely on board with a step in the right direction. So that is the last element of the

[4:53:34] Voice 4: items so there was one change which was adding in access and i think that was in the third

[4:53:42] Voice 4: policy so if we can scooch up to the um the motion now that i have trustee fast sitting

[4:53:53] Voice 4: in her in her seat is there anyone who would like to move this motion before trustee fast

[4:53:58] Voice 4: can put her hand up trustee graham give trustee fast a break give

[4:54:06] Voice 22: trustee past a break i move

[4:54:08] Voice 22: that the trust programs committee revise the draft new policy statement in accordance with

[4:54:14] Voice 22: the recommendations in appendix one of the request for a decision titled policy statement amendment

[4:54:19] Voice 22: project psap dash additional policy revisions comma as amended thank

[4:54:27] Voice 4: you very much any additional

[4:54:30] Voice 4: changes to the motion trustee graham no

[4:54:35] Voice 22: okay no may

[4:54:38] Voice 4: i get a seconder for the motion trustee yates

[4:54:42] Voice 4: thank you any additional comments discussion edits on the motion trustee graham i did want

[4:54:53] Voice 22: to just acknowledge the amazing amount of work that director freighter and her team have put

[4:54:59] Voice 22: into this. And I was so excited to see the comments of the First Nations and the condensed

[4:55:07] Voice 22: and very precise, what's the right word, distillations of those comments into policy

[4:55:13] Voice 22: language. So thanks again for your great work and thanks to the team here to move that forward.

[4:55:20] Voice 4: Absolutely. All right. If there is no further comment, I'm going to call the vote.

[4:55:27] Voice 4: all those in favor please raise your hand thank you very much please lower your hand

[4:55:34] Voice 4: any opposed seeing none that carries and yes i definitely want to echo uh trustee graham

[4:55:43] Voice 4: this was a herculean effort uh very much appreciate it there was um years and years and years

[4:55:52] Voice 4: of work going into this um so i'm happy to say that we are we're getting to the final stretches

[4:55:59] Voice 4: We're in a position to hand this over to Committee of the Whole.

[4:56:02] Voice 4: I'm feeling very good about this.

[4:56:05] Voice 4: So, yeah, thank you.

[4:56:07] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[4:56:08] Voice 4: Trustee Yates?

[4:56:10] Voice 19: I just have one question, and I'm sure it relates to my attending so late at this meeting.

[4:56:17] Voice 19: On 7.3 of this agenda for this meeting, there was a motion from myself that was held over from the May 7th meeting.

[4:56:28] Voice 19: and i did send it in again last night in writing um and i'm just wondering what can i do with this

[4:56:36] Voice 19: motion absolutely nothing because it got passed wow what a team and i just wanted to say thank

[4:56:47] Voice 19: you to the stellar staff work on this i just can't believe how amazing it is and thank you so much

[4:56:54] Voice 19: for your excellent sharing chair Evans oh thank you um trustee

[4:57:01] Voice 4: Elliott I can't hear you you're

[4:57:08] Voice 4: muted are

[4:57:11] Voice 19: you there trustee Elliott internet's really bad here right now okay all right well

[4:57:19] Voice 4: if she comes back um we will we will see um I feel like I've forgotten something

[4:57:28] Voice 4: can't remember what it was I think I wanted to to say something and I can't remember what it was

[4:57:33] Voice 4: hmm all right um i'm sure i'll remember as soon as we close this meeting um so i appreciate

[4:57:45] Voice 4: everyone's um patience as we worked our way through i know that i do tend to get i do like

[4:57:53] Voice 4: to get into details um but i do try to move through them quickly i i i'm uh very much a

[4:58:01] Voice 4: a word person. So I'm glad that we got through the entire agenda. This was a lot to get through.

[4:58:09] Voice 4: But thank you very much for everyone working with us to make sure that we could get there.

[4:58:16] Voice 4: So I just want to let everybody know that the next meeting is on July 30. And that's going to

[4:58:22] Voice 4: to be a 10 a.m to 3 p.m so we're going back to our usual hours and um look forward to seeing

[4:58:30] Voice 4: everybody at trust council next month in a couple of weeks and uh yeah thank you very much um staff

[4:58:38] Voice 4: rita i

[4:58:39] Voice 15: will let you know i expect that meeting will be shorter than five hours we're bringing

[4:58:43] Voice 15: you back webinars potentially a policy change um but we're as you can imagine we're gonna have a

[4:58:47] Voice 15: a number of other policy statement related things on the go so i suspect um you may see that that

[4:58:52] Voice 15: meeting invitation may get shortened up um prior absolutely

[4:58:57] Voice 4: and i'm i'm thinking also once we get

[4:58:59] Voice 4: through um the trust council then if we've got endorsement for for um business plans etc etc

[4:59:06] Voice 4: that we'll be having some discussion on those elements as well so again thank you everyone and

[4:59:15] Voice 4: And now that we have finished our trust policy statement work, which I know that we have an

[4:59:22] Voice 4: expanded trust policy committee for, there may be some adjustments for those that feel that they

[4:59:34] Voice 4: have completed their commitment. And for those that want to stay, happy to have you, love having

[4:59:40] Voice 4: all of your faces here. So any final comments before we close the meeting right at two o'clock?

[4:59:49] Voice 4: Trustee Yates?

[4:59:50] Voice 19: Yeah, just a question with regard to those of us who would like to stay

[4:59:54] Voice 19: on the Trust Programs Committee. How does this affect our budget?

[5:00:00] Voice 19: Is it okay budget-wise?

[5:00:03] Voice 19: Yes.

[5:00:06] Voice 15: I can check with Director Mobs, but I can assure you it's fine.

[5:00:10] Voice 4: Yeah.

[5:00:11] Voice 4: Wonderful.

[5:00:11] Voice 4: Thank you.

[5:00:13] Voice 4: Yeah.

[5:00:13] Voice 4: So I'm hoping more people stay because I think this has been a very productive working group.

[5:00:19] Voice 4: Really appreciate it.

[5:00:21] Voice 4: All right.

[5:00:21] Voice 4: Thank you, guys.

[5:00:22] Voice 4: This has been a mass of meetings, a mass of information.

[5:00:29] Voice 4: Well done, you guys.

[5:00:30] Voice 4: Great job.

[5:00:32] Voice 4: And I will

[5:00:33] Voice 4: see you later.

[5:00:34] Voice 4: I know.

[5:00:34] Voice 8: I call this meeting adjourned. Thank you.