Islands Trust Council regular meeting, May 30, 2025

[0:00:12] Trustee Maude: all right

[0:00:13] Trustee Maude: everybody good morning

[0:00:17] Voice 8: thank

[0:00:18] Trustee Maude: you for joining us for this regular meeting of the north pender island trust committee i want

[0:00:24] Trustee Maude: to give the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:27] Trustee Maude: and locations across the Territory of the Coast Salish People.

[0:00:30] Trustee Maude: I'm David Maud, elected on Main Island, Chair of the Northern Territory and Territory Island

[0:00:33] Trustee Maude: Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:34] Trustee Maude: I'm joined by your local, by your North Territory and Territory Island Trustees, Andrew Campbell

[0:00:39] Trustee Maude: and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:41] Trustee Maude: Together we make up the local Territory and Territory Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:45] Trustee Maude: This meeting is being live streamed and recorded.

[0:00:47] Trustee Maude: Those who are unable to attend in person today, the recording will be posted to the Island

[0:00:50] Trustee Maude: Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:53] Trustee Maude: We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:00:55] Trustee Maude: Today we have your planner, Brad Smith, I see our regional planning manager, Robert Kojima, is joining us today, along with planner Ruth Belcher, and also our bioware portion manager, Ward Dinkley.

[0:01:15] Trustee Maude: And we also have Lisa Millard, who is our Zoom master and minute taker.

[0:01:22] Trustee Maude: Those behind-the-scenes services are very much appreciated and it's work I don't think

[0:01:28] Trustee Maude: I could ever do.

[0:01:29] Trustee Maude: I do admire her work.

[0:01:31] Trustee Maude: I just want to let you know this meeting is official forum for your local trust meeting

[0:01:34] Trustee Maude: to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:38] Trustee Maude: I want to add this is a place of employment. Our staff have the right to a safe and reasonable workplace.

[0:01:44] Trustee Maude: So before us, we have an agenda. We have a request to move item 15, which is the housing access project up.

[0:01:56] So with

[0:01:57] Trustee Maude: your consent, I'd like to sort of push that between 10 and 11 so that we can accommodate that need.

[0:02:05] Trustee Maude: Otherwise, any additions or comments, so by general consent, we'll adopt the agenda as

[0:02:11] Trustee Maude: amended.

[0:02:12] That's great.

[0:02:13] Thank you very much.

[0:02:14] And we'll move right into trustee reports.

[0:02:17] Do you want to be the first trustee?

[0:02:19] Voice 8: Aaron?

[0:02:20] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[0:02:25] Voice 6: It's been an oddly hectic response.

[0:02:30] Voice 6: um most uh mostly just conversations with folks on the island and a lot of

[0:02:37] Voice 6: um back and forth with different issues i don't know if it's spring or what uh

[0:02:46] Voice 6: maybe the election to the south um but a lot of people seem to be

[0:02:53] Voice 6: particularly stressed about about different situations and how they might affect them and

[0:02:59] Voice 6: and uh so that's been most of my month i don't know but there's been a day without a phone call

[0:03:05] Voice 6: or an email from somebody since our last meeting uh just um like personal type of things that

[0:03:13] Voice 6: affect them uh the more that they feel affect them and that has been has taken a ton of time this

[0:03:20] Voice 6: this month and lots of grocery store time so that's uh that's where i've been at

[0:03:29] Voice 11: um

[0:03:30] Voice 12: yeah i'm going to debate through this morning so i understand that um so a couple things um

[0:03:39] Voice 12: there's been a couple committee of the whole meetings um at the trust council level that i

[0:03:45] Voice 12: think are important to know about and maybe we will also talk about but um one in particular

[0:03:50] Voice 12: particular related to some correspondence we have was around the issue of section three of the

[0:03:57] Voice 12: trust. So it's a little technical, so bear with me, but it's basically the idea of what is the

[0:04:03] Voice 12: mandate of the trust, right? And how are we understanding and interpreting that? I've

[0:04:08] Voice 12: argued at choice council multiple times that the meeting that happened is 2.2, I would say,

[0:04:17] Voice 12: um what that caused a lot of the couple in the media around the trust yeah the trust council

[0:04:24] Voice 12: going into a closed meeting to both decide the mandate of the trust um that meeting and i can

[0:04:32] Voice 12: say it now because we've had this committee the whole meeting where things are more public but i

[0:04:36] Voice 12: was kind of down by the closed meeting rules up until now

[0:04:38] Voice 11: but

[0:04:39] Voice 12: um so i've argued extensively since

[0:04:42] Voice 12: that meeting that and during that meeting that happened in 23 September 23 that a closed meeting

[0:04:49] Voice 12: is not to decide the mandate of the trust that have to be held in an open meeting because it's a

[0:04:55] Voice 12: public discussion that the closed meeting was only to understand the legal decisions that were before

[0:05:04] Voice 12: us and to understand and report publicly on what those legal decisions were legal decisions are

[0:05:12] Voice 12: not the decision of trustees they are a summary of legal decision and that was because of how

[0:05:20] Voice 12: that conversation went in closed meetings that there was a summary statement already written

[0:05:25] Voice 12: up and then it came out I argued for different things to be changed in it they weren't accepted

[0:05:30] Voice 12: the summary statement came out and it sounded like it was a decision by the trust council

[0:05:34] Voice 12: on the mandate of the trust that is not legal for us to do in a closed meeting

[0:05:39] Voice 12: and so i clarified that multiple times at trust council since um and it just seems like it's not

[0:05:46] Voice 12: sticking with many trustees and with media like so i have directly had a conversation with our mla

[0:05:54] Voice 12: rob botterill about this as well because in a recent newsletter from him um he again iterated

[0:06:03] Voice 12: that this was the decision, consensus decision of the trustee,

[0:06:06] Voice 12: that I'm like, oh my God, that has been said multiple times

[0:06:10] Voice 12: in trust counsel that it's not.

[0:06:12] Voice 12: But I understand the confusion, given what has been put in text

[0:06:15] Voice 12: and frankly, given my colleagues at the trust counsel.

[0:06:19] Voice 12: So I continue to make the point that the trust policy statement

[0:06:24] Voice 12: is the actual nuance of what the mandate of the trust is

[0:06:30] Voice 12: as we unfold it.

[0:06:31] Voice 12: so keep your eyes on the trust policy statement as it starts to roll out into a comment period

[0:06:37] Voice 12: hopefully this summer because the trust policy statement itself is the detail of what current

[0:06:45] Voice 12: trustees understand to be the mandate okay it's the nuance you can't summarize it in a paragraph

[0:06:52] Voice 12: what the mandate of the trust is that's what the law says right that's what the act does

[0:06:57] Voice 12: and it leaves us to implement the trust policy statement as the detail okay so please keep your

[0:07:04] Voice 12: eyes on that this summer um so yeah spent a lot of time and we have new chair at trust council

[0:07:10] Voice 12: um and i sat with her prior to the committee of the whole meeting and talked about the issue

[0:07:15] Voice 12: she attended the meeting with rob otterill um and we had those conversations and he came to

[0:07:21] Voice 12: the community i'm so sorry i wasn't able to be here i'm freaking very happy so i'm sorry about

[0:07:27] Voice 12: that. But yeah, so and Rob Botterell has also attended the most recent Southern Gulf Island

[0:07:33] Voice 12: Forum, which I attended, where multiple trustees called him out about his interpretation of what

[0:07:40] Voice 12: was going on in his most recent communication that they felt really undermined by him that he

[0:07:47] Voice 12: wasn't representing things accurately. So that's been aired. Hopefully, we're all clear on that.

[0:07:52] Voice 12: I continue to have to restate things again and again.

[0:07:55] Voice 12: I think that's all I'll name for now.

[0:07:57] Voice 12: Other than that, maybe just on a personal note, some people have asked,

[0:08:01] Voice 12: my brother's doing much better, so we're happy to have him on the panel.

[0:08:09] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Jessica.

[0:08:12] Trustee Maude: Certainly at this point in time, there's a lot going on.

[0:08:16] Trustee Maude: I'm sure most have heard that we had a letter back from the minister denying our application for a review of the trust.

[0:08:24] and also like doubling down and said

[0:08:26] Trustee Maude: he would even meet with us so a little bit challenging

[0:08:30] Trustee Maude: on the provincial level um and and yes um father all has raised a few people's blood pressure

[0:08:39] Trustee Maude: he will be attending trust council in the coming weeks on salt spring um where i think that there

[0:08:47] Trustee Maude: will be a little bit more direct engagement with trustees and maybe a little bit more

[0:08:52] Trustee Maude: information imparted. The irony is a year ago we also met at Salisbury and MLA Olsen at the time

[0:08:59] Trustee Maude: spent what 45 minutes lecturing us that we needed to get a request in the province

[0:09:08] Trustee Maude: done properly for a review and now his replacement in the same party, the same constituency

[0:09:15] Trustee Maude: is chastising us for requesting a review. So politics is politics and it is challenging I

[0:09:22] Trustee Maude: i must say um but i will also say you know we are exceptionally busy as an organization

[0:09:29] Trustee Maude: uh we had i think it was two weeks ago i don't have meetings in one week um it's a challenge

[0:09:37] Trustee Maude: um it's like unless you're a superior intellect you know trying to keep everything in mind is

[0:09:44] Trustee Maude: what happened what meeting what's supposed to be happening at that meeting it's difficult um and

[0:09:50] we're doing good but yeah it's just a very busy organization

[0:09:55] Trustee Maude: and i like to think we're doing good

[0:09:59] Trustee Maude: um but we have people challenging us um like one thing that has brought attention to me

[0:10:07] Trustee Maude: is some commentary that was was put up recently by somebody who doesn't like the trust

[0:10:17] Trustee Maude: The highlighted comment is, I'll read it out here, is,

[0:10:21] Trustee Maude: The government needs to relocate all residents off islands.

[0:10:25] Trustee Maude: Americans and non-British climbers have destroyed the islands.

[0:10:28] Trustee Maude: Unless you can prove four generations you must leave,

[0:10:31] Trustee Maude: the Gulf Islands are a conclave for the rich and privileged educated white people.

[0:10:37] Trustee Maude: That kind of hate speech directed at the Trust is so massively inappropriate.

[0:10:45] Trustee Maude: appropriate um and part of the organization that highlighted this basically that they point that

[0:10:52] Trustee Maude: we strayed from our mandate and i'll quote you from our original trust policy statement of 1975

[0:11:00] Trustee Maude: at the end of the policy statement there's a summary um and one of those points in the summary

[0:11:06] Trustee Maude: states recognition recognition that the islands are first of all existing and existing community

[0:11:12] people and the welfare of those people and those who join them and come

[0:11:16] Trustee Maude: after them must always be

[0:11:18] Trustee Maude: the primary concern of the trust that's where we started in 1975 so when people say what we're

[0:11:27] Trustee Maude: doing today um with housing projects and such is outside of the mandate of the trust i point out to

[0:11:34] Trustee Maude: 1975 where one of the founders of the trust spoke in that original policy statement and and certainly

[0:11:41] Trustee Maude: it's available on our website. It's a good read. I think it's 14 pages. And, you know,

[0:11:48] Trustee Maude: if you want to understand where the trust started from, what the original mandate was to read those

[0:11:54] Trustee Maude: 14 pages. It's certainly, you know, there's a lot in there that we don't agree with, and then we've

[0:12:00] Trustee Maude: evolved from it. It talks about mining, it talks about logging, it talks about forestry, it talks

[0:12:05] Trustee Maude: about fishing, it talks about oil and gas aspirations. But we have definitely evolved

[0:12:10] Trustee Maude: all very much to further embracing violence,

[0:12:15] Trustee Maude: but to state that people shouldn't be here,

[0:12:19] Trustee Maude: that's inappropriate in my opinion.

[0:12:21] Trustee Maude: And I'll leave it at that.

[0:12:23] Trustee Maude: All right, so going forward, we have town calls.

[0:12:28] Trustee Maude: So we normally have two or three minutes per person.

[0:12:32] Trustee Maude: We're not firm on that.

[0:12:34] Trustee Maude: So if anybody wants to speak, you're gonna raise your hand

[0:12:36] Trustee Maude: and just identify yourself and we'll get going.

[0:12:47] Voice 20: Okay, so my name is Barry Dillon. I'm a button retreat on Port Washington Road. I raise honeybees at a button milling right now. They're all out there working for me, right?

[0:13:00] Voice 20: So I've got four points, so I'm going to be really quick.

[0:13:03] Voice 20: First one, I'm going to submit a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

[0:13:09] Voice 20: I submit a request.

[0:13:10] Voice 20: I would like to know the contact information of the broker that holds the insurance for the auto trust.

[0:13:19] Voice 20: Real simple.

[0:13:20] Voice 20: I'll submit it later this week or next week.

[0:13:23] Voice 20: Something.

[0:13:25] Voice 20: Trustee Edwin Campbell confirmed that he has a personal relationship with Raven at Digger.

[0:13:33] Voice 20: So to finish that, I would ask you, have you ever received a gift from Raven?

[0:13:40] Voice 20: For example, on your Friday evenings watching the game, did he bring over a case of beer to share with you?

[0:13:49] Voice 15: Small

[0:13:50] Voice 20: point, but it goes to the internal personal interaction.

[0:13:54] Voice 20: direction. So that will get submitted also later next week.

[0:14:01] Voice 20: Third item is I have sustained damage on my home on Port

[0:14:06] Voice 20: Washington Road, which I believe is a direct result of the

[0:14:10] Voice 20: excessive vibration when tandem trucks go back and forth in

[0:14:14] Voice 20: front of me. So the question becomes, is it a fault of the

[0:14:20] Voice 20: lack of right building standards? Is it a fault of a

[0:14:24] Voice 20: lack of road building standards is it the fault of having that level of traffic and the road that i

[0:14:32] Voice 20: believe was never built to hold that level of nothing and i'm referring to loaded tangents

[0:14:40] Voice 20: which didn't exist when that road was built okay or is it the problem of the business operating

[0:14:46] Voice 20: that within the guidelines of the current trust so that that is those are all unknowns and they

[0:14:54] Voice 20: need to be researched so we won't fall in love with it. Last item, which to me this is the most important

[0:14:59] Voice 20: is I'm a farmer. I produce food working with standards for quality and security for the people

[0:15:12] Voice 20: of Pantoranus, okay, with honeybees that are for the displacement of the honey. Honey is nectar

[0:15:19] Voice 20: collected from the flowers by the bees, the nectar is a liquid, and it interfaces with the environment, the air.

[0:15:28] Voice 20: On the farm, we build things for quality control.

[0:15:34] Voice 20: We fence them, we maintain deer out, rodents out, and pests and weeds.

[0:15:42] Voice 20: What we cannot do is control the quality of the air in the valley for our particular farm.

[0:15:52] Air holds while the air we breathe and an associated group of particulate matters, dust,

[0:15:59] Voice 20: pollen.

[0:16:00] Voice 20: Yes, there's dust, pollen is great because then there's a medicinal and nutrition supplement

[0:16:07] Voice 20: that goes through the nectar to the honey for human consumption.

[0:16:11] Voice 20: What I can't work with is particulate matter in the form of exhaust from vehicles that

[0:16:19] Voice 20: we're electrifying.

[0:16:20] Voice 20: And if you get more bicycles and electric vehicles, that is then being managed over

[0:16:26] Voice 20: time.

[0:16:27] Voice 20: In the short term, it's the particulate matter from the exhaust of large diesel engines that

[0:16:33] Voice 20: is my concern.

[0:16:33] Voice 20: We can get to the point where an entire forage for the bees in the Port Washington Valley

[0:16:42] Voice 20: will affect the honey to the point of you will taste it, okay, and that goes against

[0:16:49] Voice 20: the quality that we're trying to manage for our people of Penrhodes.

[0:16:55] Voice 20: So my understanding is we don't manage bees near an industrial area, we simply don't,

[0:17:01] Voice 20: it just doesn't work.

[0:17:03] Voice 20: okay we have this thing called organic so organic honey is almost a misnomer because we can't

[0:17:12] Voice 20: control the air quality so it's impossible to have organic honey on pender while we have vehicles

[0:17:19] Voice 20: with particular exhaust kind of thing if we were totally electrified we might be able to manage

[0:17:25] Voice 20: Okay, so now that you're aware of that health hazard and its information, I will wind up with research to support it that you can use in making your decision on the process of the zone that we'll be working on.

[0:17:43] Voice 20: So, just a question

[0:17:46] Trustee Maude: for you, is that Rainford has an application for us, but that is an

[0:17:52] Trustee Maude: industrial area.

[0:17:54] Trustee Maude: So, you're suggesting to shut down the highway shard, the lawn yard, and the other industrial

[0:18:03] Trustee Maude: activities within the valley is what you're looking for?

[0:18:06] Trustee Maude: you know

[0:18:06] Voice 20: so i recognize that we as people live in houses houses require material

[0:18:13] Voice 20: and delivery of equipment that requires a level of delivery vehicles okay and that is what the

[0:18:20] Voice 20: hardware store is it's delivery vehicles it's i

[0:18:23] Voice 8: know the zoning

[0:18:24] Voice 20: the word is but it's extremely

[0:18:29] Voice 20: And the next level up, where you've got these consistent, larger tandem trucks, this place

[0:18:37] Voice 20: called gravel basically, we can't make any adequate quality on the island, but there's

[0:18:43] Voice 20: going to be delivery trucks, big ones, in new construction, and we have to live with

[0:18:49] Voice 20: them.

[0:18:49] Voice 20: I don't think we have to live with a zoning that allows a, call it a heavy usage.

[0:18:57] Voice 20: seas of industrial level equipment so there's a particular matter there's also the water supply

[0:19:05] Voice 20: so if you drop a drop of oil on the road rains on it that water is contaminated it's potential

[0:19:13] Voice 20: my bees will pick up that water now i do go to great extensive supply fresh water for my bees

[0:19:19] Voice 20: but i cannot tell all one million of them every day to not go on the road and pick up moisture

[0:19:25] Voice 20: same thing goes for spraying pesticides i can't tell them we do not go on the neighbor's yard

[0:19:34] Voice 20: with the morning dew that may have picked up the pesticide that was sprayed the day before

[0:19:40] right that's outside my control and i understand understand there are those sort of minimal things

[0:19:46] that i just have to deliver and you as the people of pender have to live with the knowledge that

[0:19:53] Some of

[0:19:53] Voice 20: this is in the honey. Having said that, Hector Island honey, in my opinion, is better than any honey

[0:19:59] Voice 20: in greater Victoria, because their level of pollution and industrial use is way above ours.

[0:20:05] Voice 20: That's why I'm here, no longer in Victoria, since 2008.

[0:20:10] Voice 20: So to answer your question, a limited amount we will have to live with, but I don't think we have to live with the level that this rezoning application is going to allow.

[0:20:23] Voice 20: therefore i personally think this is the

[0:20:26] Voice 7: reason for the record thank you today

[0:20:32] Voice 14: you're going to

[0:20:32] Voice 14: hear a tmp 66 22 regular point road for a stbr i wanted to let you know that i'm opposed to it

[0:20:44] Voice 14: because it is on a well and it is a well that is shared by a 30 other people in that water zone

[0:20:51] Voice 14: own that water district but their water comes from up the hill down the road from me where their

[0:21:00] Voice 14: their pump is where their actual well is where there's 12 12 households on that lane part of

[0:21:08] Voice 14: lane they have a well by garden and i just don't think that stbr should be allowed with wells

[0:21:17] Voice 14: They've already been abusing this according to a letter that's been in the package for

[0:21:22] Voice 14: many years.

[0:21:23] Voice 14: And I guess they finally got caught.

[0:21:27] Voice 14: So I just wanted to let you know I'm opposed to it for that reason.

[0:21:32] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:21:36] Voice 10: I'm Julia Nichols from Ed Radman.

[0:21:42] Voice 10: I just want to thank you for the important job that you do.

[0:21:46] Voice 10: and one of the problems is that we all live in a community together and

[0:21:54] Voice 10: you know in this world we have a lot of corruption but we also have personal relationships with one

[0:22:05] Voice 10: another and um i don't think there's a problem with sharing a beer over a game and i think that's

[0:22:16] Voice 10: way out of line um yeah uh aaron has spent a lot of time with me explaining what is going on

[0:22:26] Voice 10: and i've been giving him some cookies

[0:22:31] Voice 10: why did i want him to change

[0:22:32] Voice 10: change but the way the world moves around and if we can solve things over a piece of beer

[0:22:46] Voice 10: if we pay people off a few thousand dollars it's not good but you know keeping it in perspective

[0:22:54] Voice 10: the provincial government has clearly stated their views in a letter to the chair of the

[0:22:59] Voice 10: the Islands Trust Council regarding the Trust Council's request for a review of the Trust

[0:23:04] Voice 10: policies. This is what the Chair has referred to. The Minister of Housing and Municipal

[0:23:16] Voice 10: Affairs, Ravi Kaur, issued a letter dated April 28 that supports the concerns of many

[0:23:22] Voice 10: residents here on North Pender Island. I have sent you a copy of that letter, but I would

[0:23:29] Voice 10: just like to highlight some of what the minister said this is the quote land use planning to

[0:23:35] Voice 10: preserve and protect our trust area and its unique amenities and environment is the core responsibility

[0:23:42] Voice 10: of the amount of trust this requires the ecological mandate for us and that island

[0:23:51] Voice 10: communities have a role to play in local environmental stewardship the minister

[0:23:58] Voice 10: stated he expects the trust to recognize that this requires careful deliberation and consideration

[0:24:06] Voice 10: of perspectives to manage expectations of growth development global economies without exceeding

[0:24:14] Voice 10: the carrying capacity of global ecosystems and preserving unspoiled natural amenities

[0:24:26] Voice 10: Variances, resuming, granting of permits, both temporary and permanent, have left the

[0:24:32] Voice 10: Islands vulnerable to overdevelopment, deforestation, water depletion, pollution, offshore degradation,

[0:24:39] Voice 10: and climate change.

[0:24:41] Voice 10: I'm hoping that you, our local trustees, will consider this letter from the Minister carefully,

[0:24:48] Voice 10: a letter that is unambiguous in its emphasis on the ecological mandate of the Trust and

[0:24:54] Voice 10: and the clear responsibility of the trust

[0:24:57] Voice 10: to manage expectations of growth, development,

[0:25:01] Voice 10: and local economies without exceeding

[0:25:04] Voice 10: the carrying capacity of local ecosystems.

[0:25:08] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:25:11] Voice 22: Anybody else?

[0:25:14] Voice 22: Oh, Rob Fenton, North Penderth.

[0:25:16] Voice 22: I just want to give my support

[0:25:19] Voice 22: for the Housing Access and Affordability Project.

[0:25:23] Voice 22: A lot of good work has been done

[0:25:25] Voice 22: and i look forward to working with the trust and staff in in that to try and deliver some of those

[0:25:35] Voice 22: very worthwhile goals thank you thank you anybody else

[0:25:40] Voice 7: all

[0:25:42] Trustee Maude: right well thank you very much good

[0:25:44] Trustee Maude: comments good feedback thank you all right so before us we have to cut some minutes uh for

[0:25:51] Trustee Maude: adoption uh we have local trust committee special minutes of may the 5th for adoption any concerns

[0:25:59] anything else so by general consent we can adopt those um we don't have any versions of meeting

[0:26:04] and then we have biopsy planning commission minutes um about april 15th for receipt um

[0:26:11] my only thing i would note there is a i picked up in there um there is a statement made that

[0:26:16] main

[0:26:17] Trustee Maude: island requires a tp um for rvs and tiny homes and stuff but we're considering it yeah

[0:26:23] Trustee Maude: um i'm reasonably sure it's going to happen but but we actually have not adopted that so we're

[0:26:30] Trustee Maude: but in the country plus i'm sure we are going to be doing that it seems like a really good

[0:26:34] Trustee Maude: thing and it was really well laid out um um in the minutes of the reasoning for it just

[0:26:41] Trustee Maude: it gives that oversight and safety considerations that i think is so very very important

[0:26:46] Voice 11: I saw that I was making a comment.

[0:26:49] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:26:50] Trustee Maude: It's coming.

[0:26:52] Trustee Maude: All right.

[0:26:53] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[0:26:56] Trustee Maude: You

[0:26:56] Voice 15: want one more?

[0:26:58] Trustee Maude: Well, it's not our minutes.

[0:26:59] Trustee Maude: It's just for receipts.

[0:27:03] Trustee Maude: So we'll do follow-up action.

[0:27:06] Trustee Maude: So we'll go to item 15.

[0:27:07] Trustee Maude: So follow-up action.

[0:27:09] Trustee Maude: Anything to highlight?

[0:27:11] Trustee Maude: No.

[0:27:12] Trustee Maude: Any questions?

[0:27:14] Voice 15: All

[0:27:14] Trustee Maude: right. So at the beginning, we agreed to item 15, which is housing access before

[0:27:21] Trustee Maude: the building project, up to this point. So I will hand it over to Planner Smith,

[0:27:28] Voice 7: and

[0:27:29] Voice 7: we'll

[0:27:30] Trustee Maude: just walk through that.

[0:27:31] Voice 7: So you just start with that here, and then it's just page 128.

[0:27:35] Voice 5: Page 128. So it

[0:27:36] Voice 5: just brings back your housing action plan that I was presenting to you at

[0:27:41] Voice 5: at your initial meeting, and then at the special meeting, the CIO, we presented it as well

[0:27:50] Voice 5: to your community, and it resulted in no changes to the actual document that was presented

[0:27:55] Voice 5: previously that you endorsed to report with, and so today we're just bringing it back for

[0:28:01] Voice 5: final endorsement, so that we can have a final action plan that we can begin implementation

[0:28:08] Voice 5: So, I'll go through these actions again as a last thing, but I'll just open up to the

[0:28:14] Voice 5: trustees if they have any questions regarding the plan or next steps moving forward.

[0:28:19] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Chair.

[0:28:20] Trustee Maude: Okay, so trustees, any questions or comments or concerns?

[0:28:26] Voice 6: I think the only thing that worries me at all is the idea of RVs being in there and

[0:28:43] Voice 6: And even though I know that it's probably a necessary evil,

[0:28:48] Voice 6: so I think that we need to consider the way that it rolls out.

[0:28:56] Voice 6: Yeah, I just, there were some comments at the community information meeting

[0:29:01] Voice 6: about how having a standing resolution of non-enforcement on travel trailers

[0:29:08] Voice 6: has allowed a couple of sort of bad apples to operate on the island.

[0:29:16] Voice 6: And if sort of undesirable, I guess I don't know how to say it nicely.

[0:29:24] But so

[0:29:26] Voice 6: I do worry about that, about us putting something like that forward that would set a standard

[0:29:36] Voice 6: or how we set a standard for having safe living accommodations in RVs.

[0:29:47] Voice 6: Rob and I spoke last week a bit about it and trying to, you know, there were some folks

[0:29:55] Voice 6: that passed away on Galliano a few years back having installed wood burning.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: fireplaces in their RVs and an RV is the exterior of an RV is very much not built to withstand

[0:30:10] Voice 6: a fire and so well I understand that there is necessity of worry about how we get to

[0:30:21] Voice 6: making sure that everybody is safe and healthy in those so that's something I do think that we

[0:30:29] Voice 6: need to put some some effort into figuring out how we enforce that but uh otherwise it

[0:30:37] Voice 6: the incredible amount of work that has gone in to this um by dedicated folks from the community is

[0:30:46] Voice 6: is you know it very much takes a village and village has done a ton of work

[0:30:52] Voice 6: so

[0:30:54] Voice 12: maybe just on that rv point because editor first just a big thank you to the apc for this

[0:31:01] Voice 12: work because it's it's a lot and there's a lot of like intermediate things also i just want to

[0:31:07] Voice 12: acknowledge um trustee campbell and others

[0:31:09] Voice 12: that have been working across the trust council level

[0:31:12] Voice 12: on tiny house work um to try and understand and i can sure work with provincial folks around like

[0:31:19] Voice 12: what constitutes time house efforts um so that we can think about that in our space too um so

[0:31:26] Voice 12: So on the RFP front, maybe a clarification.

[0:31:32] Voice 12: So the approval of the plan as it stands really is just a step forward to say that we would think about what kinds of bylaws would be in the, like the RFP.

[0:31:44] Voice 12: So like, for instance, the main work on the TEPs, we could draw from that to like think about what those specific.

[0:31:50] Voice 5: So it's cool.

[0:31:52] Voice 5: Six of your plan.

[0:31:53] Voice 7: And

[0:31:53] Voice 5: I would say like others are worried like expand opportunities or explore opportunities where this is just explore legalizing it. So it's pretty neutral and just looking at what would be required on

[0:32:08] Voice 7: each of those.

[0:32:08] Voice 7: some biosecurity is included in that. It's not currently

[0:32:19] Voice 5: considered, I don't think, like on

[0:32:21] Voice 5: Saturn, for example, they only have water and septum. So

[0:32:26] Voice 5: it would just be working through,

[0:32:29] Voice 5: it's really meant to be worded in a neutral way, that it's just looking at what the options might

[0:32:35] Voice 5: be to provide a safer legal option for some RVs, as Rob talked about at CIM, where part

[0:32:45] Voice 5: of that work also has to be making sure that you're forcing others that are not meeting

[0:32:50] Voice 5: those standards.

[0:32:51] Voice 5: So still, if you're living in an RV, you're still looking at some kind of investment to

[0:32:58] Voice 5: have those systems in place.

[0:33:01] Voice 12: So I feel like that's a good next step.

[0:33:04] Voice 12: i've been rob and i've talked about this in years past like i've always been really concerned about

[0:33:09] Voice 12: rvs not because i don't think people need housing obviously we need housing there's a critical need

[0:33:15] Voice 12: for that it's about safety and wellness so people being housed the moratorium that we put on rvs

[0:33:21] Voice 12: um our reinforcement was really meant to just until we figured this out it wasn't meant to

[0:33:28] Voice 12: say yes we approve of all our views as they've been used it was to like just provide some sort

[0:33:33] Voice 12: of stability for folks who are in those situations until we work out what's needed in the next steps

[0:33:39] Voice 12: i really do appreciate um and the fire chief coming in too and just talking about like work

[0:33:45] Voice 12: options to work with us through a tup program for fire safety to be involved in some inspection so

[0:33:51] Voice 12: it could be part of the tup an annual inspection of fire safety so i feel like there are pathways

[0:33:56] Voice 12: waste that we could find through the sort of quagmire of RVs and safety um yeah so the big

[0:34:03] Voice 12: issues from my point of view were fire safety health and wellness around mold or mildew issues

[0:34:10] Voice 12: um and then septic and water like how we manage those so I think they were well documented and

[0:34:16] Voice 12: I really appreciate the APC sort of thinking about that so yeah I'm good with that um everything

[0:34:22] Voice 12: else in here looks really solid to me and it's open for our community conversations to go forward

[0:34:27] Voice 12: so i like that we're not necessarily thinking about just let's build a bunch of high rises

[0:34:32] Voice 12: like we're thinking about our island and what's appropriate for our space so it's good yeah no

[0:34:40] Trustee Maude: i'll just maybe touch a little bit on the rv situation from the main island respectively

[0:34:44] Trustee Maude: we were the first island to do the do not divorce uh with rvs so we're many years under our belt

[0:34:52] Trustee Maude: and as a result we know about safe living situations so that's why we sort of turned

[0:34:59] Trustee Maude: our mics the tup idea and what the what the concept was is to have a very low application fee

[0:35:06] Trustee Maude: uh what i suggested was 500 for a three-year tup to get your tup you're you're citing everything

[0:35:15] Trustee Maude: needs to be inspected. And so in every three years when it rolls over, you have to get

[0:35:21] Trustee Maude: a re-inspection. We're hoping that will address the health and safety issues and the safe

[0:35:29] Trustee Maude: living conditions. So if after three years you go in for inspection and it sums up, we're

[0:35:35] Trustee Maude: going to say you have to figure things out. Because these are people, a lot of cases,

[0:35:41] Trustee Maude: is people living on the margins and and sometimes merchants means i'm going to say and above all

[0:35:48] Trustee Maude: health and safety is something we need to turn our minds to we love the tup idea is probably the best

[0:35:54] Trustee Maude: one so hopefully we're going to be able to do this in the next couple of months which will sort of

[0:36:00] Trustee Maude: maybe make a template for other islands i know saturn has been looking at it um i'm pretty sure

[0:36:07] Trustee Maude: I bring this all straight up the same idea because we need to find affordable housing but we need to

[0:36:14] Trustee Maude: find affordable safe housing it's very important you

[0:36:17] Voice 12: may just want to think about the TUP issue

[0:36:19] Voice 12: because I get asked this sometimes about well isn't TUP a pathway to zoning because you know

[0:36:25] Voice 12: that has historically been one way that it has been used is a TUP is used to try out like activity

[0:36:31] Voice 12: in a particular area to see if it works for the community to see think about zoning and uh

[0:36:38] Voice 12: the challenge we have as a local government is we have very crude tools um that's the trust about

[0:36:45] Voice 12: what we can do and can't do because we're not in municipality so around zoning so the tp is like

[0:36:52] Voice 12: creative uses of tvs but how to use them as a tool to actually meet the needs of our community

[0:36:56] Voice 12: Okay, so it could be a legit use of like how we think about these types of things that require additional monitoring. It's really one of the few tools we have that allows us additional monitoring.

[0:37:12] Voice 5: you could also like if you're looking at more flexible zoning uh like allowing an extra well

[0:37:20] Voice 5: unit on a property doesn't that mean they get an rb so you could allow that extra unit

[0:37:26] Voice 5: and look at the addition step of getting tb perhaps to take up that accessory unit versus

[0:37:38] Voice 12: Yeah, so super interesting thought, like for, so that you can have an RV unit on a, as a

[0:37:45] Voice 12: BW.

[0:37:46] Voice 12: Treated

[0:37:46] Voice 8: as a dwelling unit.

[0:37:48] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:37:48] Voice 12: But it still has to be TDP for safety.

[0:37:50] Voice 8: Right.

[0:37:50] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:37:51] Voice 8: But it's zoned for.

[0:37:53] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:37:54] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:37:54] Voice 12: That's an interesting thing because we have had very low uptake of secondary suites because

[0:37:59] Voice 12: of the cost of building secondary suites.

[0:38:01] Voice 12: there is an incentive program between the CRD and the province right now.

[0:38:04] Voice 12: Just out of my eye.

[0:38:05] Voice 12: If anybody wants to build a secondary suite, no?

[0:38:07] Voice 12: Not anymore?

[0:38:08] Voice 6: Canceled.

[0:38:09] Voice 12: And

[0:38:09] Voice 6: it got ganged.

[0:38:10] Voice 6: People were able to finish this.

[0:38:13] Voice 11: Oh, my gosh.

[0:38:14] Voice 6: That's been one of the...

[0:38:16] Voice 11: We might need to just...

[0:38:17] Voice 6: Apparently not.

[0:38:22] Voice 6: That's...

[0:38:22] Voice 6: I'm just a little...

[0:38:24] Voice 6: That was one of the big actions.

[0:38:26] Voice 12: So we might need to think about, as an LTC,

[0:38:29] Voice 12: thing writing a letter related to that because that's sorry that's bullshit

[0:38:37] Voice 12: yeah so there was an eighty thousand dollar program to like support secondary

[0:38:43] Voice 12: secondary suite development forty thousand from crd and forty thousand from the province so that's

[0:38:49] Voice 12: what we're talking about

[0:38:49] Voice 5: so i do have an email for the trustee to afford it oh so learning as

[0:38:56] Voice 5: we go here yeah uh but there is some confusion but the crd's accessory dwelling unit incentive

[0:39:02] Voice 5: program is still on even though the province canceled their second so it's only cast

[0:39:07] Voice 12: all

[0:39:07] Voice 5: right

[0:39:10] Voice 12: this is about how bc builds not really caring in my mind about rural communities but

[0:39:15] Voice 12: anyway ask

[0:39:18] Voice 4: the chair who's going to do the inspection of the

[0:39:23] Trustee Maude: But our intention is to have a fire chief fire department for that component and we're

[0:39:33] Trustee Maude: again we're trying to figure out how we sort of engage to the party the thought that almost

[0:39:38] Trustee Maude: was but we don't have buy-in yet so we're developing regulation then we're going to

[0:39:45] Trustee Maude: work up where to reach out the parts and see who's willing to sort of work with us on these.

[0:39:51] Voice 4: Ideally it would be VEHA, septic and water, and fire.

[0:39:57] Voice 4: Exactly.

[0:39:58] Trustee Maude: And with VEHA, things like cold, those sort of environmental situations,

[0:40:03] Trustee Maude: you know, a health officer can see way better than we could.

[0:40:08] Voice 12: Yeah, and VEHA, part of this term, one of the moves has been to invite closer conversations,

[0:40:15] Voice 12: So we've had me here talking with us like that was related to the soup issue.

[0:40:19] Voice 12: It kind of randomly got in front. Anyway, there's a bread and soup issue here.

[0:40:24] Voice 12: But so really trying to work with those agencies as part of our role is to coordinate with other agencies to actually make things work for us instead of like this complex web of intricacies.

[0:40:35] Voice 12: So that would be the goal.

[0:40:38] Voice 22: Yeah, well, one of the ongoing concerns with providing the proper services, which I agree

[0:40:46] Voice 22: are necessary, is the security of tenure that's needed.

[0:40:51] Voice 22: So someone can put, can be very substantial amounts of money, want to be able to amortize

[0:40:57] Voice 22: it over a reasonable, lengthy period of time, and the difficulty with the TUP is that it

[0:41:05] Voice 22: could change and and this kind of thing i've wrestled with this so much appreciating the

[0:41:12] Voice 22: trust's concerns and the community's concerns but also trying to make it happen and i look forward

[0:41:21] Voice 22: to sort of discussions with yourselves and staff on maybe some creative ways to take take a look

[0:41:28] Voice 22: at that in order to make sure it gets carried out and and the other difficulty is is with people who

[0:41:38] Voice 22: are marginal in rvs is a difficulty it just is a difficulty i think there are i hate to say this

[0:41:48] Voice 22: but some practical limitations on that if if you're going to have broad acceptance and trying

[0:41:57] Voice 22: to find some way to deal with some of the more marginal people so that things can be looked after

[0:42:05] Voice 22: so they don't lose their combination but it deals with the essential concerns of safety and health

[0:42:12] Voice 22: those are interwoven things one

[0:42:15] Voice 12: of the things that i've had a few conversations with different

[0:42:18] Voice 12: organizations around this particular issue the ideal situation for that stability is actually

[0:42:26] Voice 12: to have some type of housing authority or like community organization that owns property and

[0:42:32] Voice 12: manages for those services because that's the stability that you're talking about

[0:42:37] Voice 12: and that people then kind of rent in to the spaces um the challenge we'll have in trying

[0:42:45] Voice 12: to figure out the whole tup situation and that we need a lot of group think on is like what does

[0:42:50] Voice 12: does that look like then is the tup attached to the rv or is it attached to the property it has

[0:42:56] Voice 12: to be attached to the property from my understanding the legal issue so then is it the community

[0:43:01] Voice 12: organization that has to do the so there's a bunch of questions you just need to work out

[0:43:06] Voice 12: and we're not going to work them out today but that's part of the the plan as to like we have

[0:43:11] Voice 12: to find both legally valid and workable solutions for the community um and there is also like an

[0:43:20] Voice 12: obligation we have as elected officials that we don't actually authorize things that are going to

[0:43:27] Voice 12: harm people right so like we have an obligation to make sure housing is safe if we are legally

[0:43:32] Voice 12: saying it's legal housing right we're not actually saying it's legal housing right now by not

[0:43:38] Voice 12: enforcing on our needs we're saying we're just not enforcing on them right but as soon as we say that

[0:43:43] Voice 12: we're going to give you a tup and it's legal housing we have to make sure it's safe it's our

[0:43:46] Voice 12: obligation and

[0:43:48] Trustee Maude: i think especially marsha previously touched um we're not appropriately using us

[0:43:54] tups

[0:43:55] Trustee Maude: it's just it's the only tool we have in our toolbox is that the tps in my opinion it's

[0:44:01] Trustee Maude: supposed to be like when mcon's doing some paving and they're going to bring over a paving plan for

[0:44:05] Trustee Maude: two months to pave the roads of north bender so they get temporary use permit to use that property

[0:44:10] Trustee Maude: for that period of time they when they when they finish they reverse back the original use it's

[0:44:15] Trustee Maude: supposed to be temporary use we're we're frankly abusing the process but it's the only tool we have

[0:44:21] Trustee Maude: and and the and the idea would would be it's not a permit for three years it's basically every

[0:44:29] Trustee Maude: three years you have to do a check-in so so it's you're hopefully that the messaging will be

[0:44:35] Trustee Maude: this is not i think we're gonna look at this case by case three years of time three years

[0:44:41] Trustee Maude: for time. If you get your TUP, you're done every three years, you renew your TUP, we have the

[0:44:48] Trustee Maude: inspection done, and then you go for another three years. So it's not three year bites, it's

[0:44:54] Trustee Maude: basically three year check-ins. And again, in my mind, it's not 100% closure or roadmap, but it's

[0:45:02] Trustee Maude: the only tool we have. Because we can't do housing agreements, we can't do this, we can't do that,

[0:45:06] Trustee Maude: but this is the one thing in the toolbox we can utilize, and we're hoping there'll be a template

[0:45:11] Trustee Maude: that'll work well so just briefly because

[0:45:14] Voice 5: we're going through the chair you would need to be

[0:45:19] Voice 5: careful not to feather the discretion of future accounts in the future each each time yeah

[0:45:27] Voice 5: i just

[0:45:29] Voice 9: want to say as a member of the apc we're looking at all these issues yeah that's what we're

[0:45:34] Voice 9: doing now yeah we're well aware of the concerns and we're trying to figure things out but we don't

[0:45:43] Voice 9: there aren't easy answers no but

[0:45:45] Trustee Maude: again thank you for your work because you know i'm privileged

[0:45:50] Trustee Maude: to work on several items and there's a little competition between north panther

[0:45:55] Trustee Maude: and dem and i with the work that's coming out of the apc's on housing is it the talent that you

[0:46:03] Trustee Maude: you have brought to the table is amazing.

[0:46:07] Trustee Maude: Every time I go through your minutes,

[0:46:09] Trustee Maude: it's just like, holy cow.

[0:46:10] Trustee Maude: I didn't think about that.

[0:46:12] Trustee Maude: It's, you guys are doing a lot of really, really good work

[0:46:16] Trustee Maude: and we really, really do support everything you're doing

[0:46:20] Trustee Maude: and really do appreciate it.

[0:46:22] Trustee Maude: It's fine work, thank you.

[0:46:26] Trustee Maude: All right, so does somebody want to do a motion or?

[0:46:30] Voice 8: We'll grab your presentation pages.

[0:46:32] Voice 8: can go back up we

[0:46:39] Trustee Maude: are on page 428.

[0:46:47] Voice 6: so the northbound local trust committee gives final endorsement to the attached housing action

[0:46:52] Voice 6: plan dated may 14 2025 and directs them to proceed with housing action plan implementation

[0:47:00] Voice 6: second any further discussion

[0:47:02] Voice 12: big thank you i know it's lots of work okay

[0:47:06] Trustee Maude: so we'll call

[0:47:07] Trustee Maude: question all in favor and that carries thank you very much

[0:47:12] Trustee Maude: all right so and

[0:47:14] Voice 12: we know if you need to get up and leave we're we're okay

[0:47:17] Voice 12: we appreciate that you put a thousand hours in already

[0:47:21] Voice 4: do

[0:47:21] Voice 12: you want to add anything else maybe anybody else

[0:47:24] Voice 4: no i think of course we're happy but uh there's lots of background after everything you just

[0:47:31] Voice 4: thank you

[0:47:37] Trustee Maude: we're good at this all right so we'll move on to uh 12 delegations so we have sarah miles

[0:47:43] Trustee Maude: good morning

[0:47:45] Voice 10: i'm sarah

[0:47:56] Voice 14: thank you for your service island's trust levy this year is 559 dollars for a place

[0:48:05] Voice 14: I have some good news. There was a fledgling turkey vulture at our house a couple of days

[0:48:12] Voice 14: ago. He was being pursued by two bald eagles and a pack of ravens. But it was very interesting.

[0:48:21] Voice 14: I've never seen a Cheyenne turkey vulture or even one of them. He was standing on my

[0:48:28] Voice 14: driveway as he was trying to negotiate flying through the trees. And yeah, I think he got away.

[0:48:40] Voice 14: So that's my good news for you. And yeah, I did want to thank you guys for your service.

[0:48:46] Voice 14: It's a huge job that you do. I do appreciate it. So I'd like to correct several errors in the record.

[0:48:58] Voice 14: I presented a delegation here in this room at the April 5th, 2024 North Bender Local Trusts Committee meeting.

[0:49:11] Voice 14: I spoke about what makes Fort Washington Road such a great place to live, in my opinion, and from what I've been hearing.

[0:49:20] Voice 14: And one of the features of my talk, I don't know if you heard it or if you remember, was about it is a unique road on Bender because it's very straight and fairly flat.

[0:49:32] Voice 14: And so people enjoy being out on that road, being active.

[0:49:37] Voice 14: And I was really sad to see a post online recently

[0:49:41] Voice 14: that the running group didn't run

[0:49:44] Voice 14: on Port Washington Road anymore because it's too busy.

[0:49:49] Voice 14: So carrying on, so yeah, after that presentation last year,

[0:49:54] Voice 14: there was an informal discussion that ensued

[0:49:58] Voice 14: about land use on Port Washington Road,

[0:50:02] Voice 14: industrial in particular.

[0:50:06] Voice 14: So I reviewed the video recording of that discussion, and I took great care to note what was said.

[0:50:18] Voice 14: At 1 hour 55 in the recording, Chair Maud, who lives on Main, said,

[0:50:24] Voice 14: I drove down the length of Port Washington Road today, and so one of the lots has quite a few subject trucks parked on it.

[0:50:36] Voice 14: And is there a cut on the lot?

[0:50:40] Voice 14: And what are the restrictions on septic trucks?

[0:50:45] Voice 14: Planner Smith replied, so that's Miss Miles' lot.

[0:50:50] Voice 14: The bottom half of that lot is also designated in the OCP for industrial use,

[0:50:57] Voice 14: which means that sometime in the OCP, community determined that area of Fender Island is appropriate for central industrial use.

[0:51:05] Voice 14: And there is even a policy in the OCP that states we may consider that area as most appropriate.

[0:51:11] Voice 14: We continued, if there is septic being stored on the property, I know there's trucks there,

[0:51:17] Voice 14: but if there

[0:51:18] Voice 14: is actually septic being stored on the property, it would be contrary to a

[0:51:23] Voice 14: provision in the general regulations of your bylaw that's prohibited in all zones, which

[0:51:29] Voice 14: is the disposal or storage of hazardous or toxic waste.

[0:51:33] Voice 14: I would have been the temporary storage of such waste in the recycling facility zone and the general industrial zone.

[0:51:42] Voice 14: Then Chair Maud said, so there's no tub or anything.

[0:51:48] Voice 14: And Planner Smith said, and there's no authorization.

[0:51:54] Voice 14: Chair Maud then said directly to me, so that's something that you need to address.

[0:51:58] Voice 14: And the discussion moved on. I was not given an opportunity to respond.

[0:52:05] Voice 14: Subsequently, at the November 29th, 2024 LTC meeting at 2 hours 21 in the recording, Trustee

[0:52:13] Voice 14: Morrison said, I also want to be very clear that there is another site where there is

[0:52:20] Voice 14: industrial activity that I don't see, a permit, okay?

[0:52:24] Voice 14: I don't see where there are subject trucks parked on Port Wash Road without an industrial

[0:52:30] Voice 14: permit.

[0:52:31] Voice 14: So I need that issue dealt with too, because the hypocrisy is rife in this space.

[0:52:37] Voice 14: Let me clarify.

[0:52:43] Voice 14: Most of these statements are simply untrue, and use of the word hypocrisy is innuendo,

[0:52:53] Voice 14: and it created a credibility problem for me and for you.

[0:52:59] Voice 14: These false, judgmental statements harm me and my reputation.

[0:53:04] Voice 14: reputationing. Whether or not that was your intention, I don't know. When Chair Maud said

[0:53:14] Voice 14: he saw quite a few septic trucks, that was inaccurate and misleading. There are two septic

[0:53:23] Voice 14: trucks on my lot. Quite a few implies several, which is generally thought to be a number greater

[0:53:31] Voice 14: than three, or a surprising amount. If I said I saw quite a few ravens, you'd probably think there

[0:53:39] Voice 14: were four or five, or even more, maybe ten. Two is not a few, nor is it several. Caroline

[0:53:47] Voice 14: drove by and saw a yard. Why did he not count to make sure he was presenting accurate information?

[0:53:53] Voice 14: He could see the trucks, he said. Why did he say quite a few, when there are in fact two septic

[0:53:59] Voice 14: trucks. Is he qualified to assess the activities occurring on private lands? Was it his intention

[0:54:09] Voice 14: to evacuate? Then Planner Smith made three significant errors in his statements. The

[0:54:19] Voice 14: first was when he said half my lot is dedicated for industrial use. This is not true. The

[0:54:27] Voice 14: The designated area is less than 20% of the world.

[0:54:33] Voice 14: There's also an area of the hog of a similar size

[0:54:38] Voice 14: that's within a protected woodland DPA,

[0:54:41] Voice 14: a very, very rare cereal ecosystem.

[0:54:46] Voice 14: Why did he say that half my hog is designated

[0:54:49] Voice 14: when it's actually a very small portion?

[0:54:52] Voice 14: Why would they not take care to make an accurate statement?

[0:54:56] Voice 14: The second error was when he implied

[0:54:59] Voice 14: that septic waste was hazardous and toxic.

[0:55:03] Voice 14: He said, if there's actually septic being stored on the property,

[0:55:07] Voice 14: it would be contrary to a provision in the general regulations of your bylaw

[0:55:10] Voice 14: that prohibit it in all zones, which is disposal or storage

[0:55:15] Voice 14: of hazardous or toxic waste.

[0:55:19] Voice 14: Septic waste is not classified as hazardous or toxic

[0:55:22] Voice 14: in the hazardous waste regulation.

[0:55:26] Voice 14: There is no septic waste stored on my site,

[0:55:29] Voice 14: but if you're worried it would not be contrary to the regulations we've

[0:55:33] Voice 5: already been through

[0:55:34] Voice 5: this as miles we went back to your

[0:55:36] Voice 14: email and we clarified

[0:55:37] Voice 5: to understand we've already been

[0:55:40] Voice 14: after says there was no authorization for my activity we

[0:55:43] Voice 5: clarified this and we clarified

[0:55:44] Voice 5: that that wasn't an issue the issue with those trucks is that you're within a setback there is

[0:55:52] Voice 14: there is authorization for this use of fine law it's under the home industry regulation

[0:55:59] Voice 14: a rural lot of a certain size with a home on it is permitted to have a contractor yard

[0:56:06] Voice 14: okay planner smith is owing on all the interest it needs to be made while there was an active

[0:56:15] Voice 14: could file a law investigation occurring at my property.

[0:56:20] Voice 14: So these statements

[0:56:21] Voice 14: were weighed in error

[0:56:25] Voice 14: without knowing what takes place in my law,

[0:56:28] Voice 14: without knowing how substance is classified.

[0:56:30] Voice 14: Okay, it was careless.

[0:56:32] Voice 14: It was disrespectful to me and I think irresponsible.

[0:56:37] Voice 14: So this created a very difficult situation for me

[0:56:41] Voice 14: because people think, people here in my community,

[0:56:46] Voice 14: They see this, they hear what you say, and they think that something illegal is happening on my lot, when it's not.

[0:56:56] Voice 14: Okay, I have it in writing.

[0:56:59] Voice 14: Chairman, you told me, no, in certain terms, I need to address getting a TUP.

[0:57:03] Voice 14: You're wrong, I don't need a TUP.

[0:57:06] Voice 14: I must trust my law department, as confirmed, in writing, we are committed to

[0:57:13] Trustee Maude: having a TUP on

[0:57:15] Trustee Maude: our lot.

[0:57:17] Voice 14: But,

[0:57:17] Trustee Maude: ma'am, you're misstating the truth.

[0:57:20] Voice 14: I haven't been writing for a few more times.

[0:57:22] Trustee Maude: Well, if you just want to pause your delegation for a second.

[0:57:24] Trustee Maude: If you want to pause your delegation.

[0:57:26] Trustee Maude: He

[0:57:26] Voice 14: said we are permitted to have a piece that has been determined.

[0:57:30] Voice 14: You may have a piece that the font barrel of your yard is permitted.

[0:57:34] Trustee Maude: Okay, you have one minute left in your delegation, then we'll have a rebuttal.

[0:57:37] Voice 14: Okay, there's also documents on your applications webpage.

[0:57:40] Voice 14: page Robo Kojima correspondents asked for these untrue statements to be removed they are still

[0:57:49] Voice 14: there okay you've shown you have very little understanding of this issue and you fail to

[0:57:56] Voice 14: respect your own vital investigation but you said things that were not true and it has harmed my

[0:58:01] Voice 14: reputation and I can see it's continuing okay you defamed me it's difficult to win a defamation case

[0:58:10] Voice 14: case in court because you have to prove you've been armed in some way right my property value

[0:58:16] Voice 14: has gone down about 20 10 percent due to everything going on next door so i'm requesting

[0:58:51] Voice 14: property for seven years and for most of my life when was the most recent comprehensive

[0:58:56] Voice 14: community update on ocp 25 years ago may i please see the records from the meetings where

[0:59:03] Voice 14: the industrial designation was applied to my lot okay so

[0:59:07] Trustee Maude: that's your time for your delegation

[0:59:08] Trustee Maude: please

[0:59:08] Voice 14: thank you i have more to say and i have a lot of questions about hazard materials and

[0:59:15] Voice 14: creating a strip of industrial properties which have propane diesel gasoline all kinds of other

[0:59:24] Trustee Maude: thank you very much i'm going to hand this over to warren dingman our biohazard enforcement manager

[0:59:29] Trustee Maude: venture to do some clarification on your statements.

[0:59:31] Trustee Maude: So Mr. Dingman, would you please clarify?

[0:59:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So Chair, with this, with any contractor's yard

[0:59:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on North Pender, and that's what's been referenced here

[0:59:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is that there's a contractor's yard

[0:59:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: at the front of the property.

[0:59:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: All contractor's yards must be 50 meters back

[0:59:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: from any lot line.

[0:59:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: That includes the front lot line and the interior lot line.

[0:59:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So that means for this particular property

[0:59:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that is only 70 meters wide,

[1:00:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there's no area on the property that a contractor's yard can be placed without first requiring a

[1:00:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: development variance permit. So the contractor's yard could be moved back further onto the property

[1:00:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: out of the 50 meter setback from the front lot line, but it would still require a development

[1:00:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: variance permit from the LTC because it would still be within 50 meters of the interior lot

[1:00:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: lines or the rear lot line if they moved it back that far and so reviewing the file notes and the

[1:00:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: information in the file i don't see any record where it states that this particular use has

[1:00:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: been determined to be lawful there have been concerns from the start and the bylaw officers

[1:00:43] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: tried to work with the property owner to achieve some compliance here i

[1:00:51] Voice 14: can send you the emails

[1:00:54] Trustee Maude: Excuse me, this is our meeting.

[1:00:57] Trustee Maude: If you're not, hold on.

[1:00:59] Trustee Maude: Be quiet, please.

[1:01:01] Trustee Maude: Trustee Morris.

[1:01:02] Voice 12: Warren, can you just clarify the issue of contractor's lot

[1:01:07] Voice 12: and septic being toxic, non-toxic,

[1:01:10] Voice 12: like the septic storage in a septic vehicle,

[1:01:15] Voice 12: is that covered under home-based business contractor yarn?

[1:01:21] Voice 12: So

[1:01:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I would have to do further reading of the bylaw and the information is in the file.

[1:01:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So the last time I looked at this issue myself, there was concern about a nearby well and the storage of any septic trucks or any type of material within so many meters of the well.

[1:01:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And so that was one problem with this particular lot, with a well being right at the front of the property, that any hazardous materials or storage of septic wouldn't be permitted because of the presence of the well.

[1:02:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But really, the primary issue is just the 50-meter setback.

[1:02:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You have to have a 50-meter setback.

[1:02:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Everything needs to be screened from view, from the road.

[1:02:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And that can't be really achieved right now.

[1:02:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: well it can't the 50 meter setback can't be achieved they would need you know set all the

[1:02:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: other issues aside you need a development variance permit to have the contractor in its yard in its

[1:02:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: current location right

[1:02:28] Trustee Maude: that's

[1:02:32] Voice 5: okay okay i'm sorry yeah so uh we did clarify uh we did follow up with

[1:02:39] Voice 5: her initial concerns we don't always have the answers in meetings when we're asked uh uh we

[1:02:45] Voice 5: did clarify that septic is not considered generally classified as toxic or hazardous waste so that's

[1:02:54] Voice 5: the bylaw permission prohibition uh the disposal of storage of hazardous or toxic waste didn't

[1:03:01] Voice 5: apply but further investigation did determine that as a law enforcement manager stated that

[1:03:09] Voice 5: the setback provisions would not allow a contractor yard in that space regardless of what

[1:03:17] Voice 5: contractor yard use was occurring because it's within the setback. So you need a variance permit

[1:03:24] Voice 5: to allow that siting. And

[1:03:28] Voice 12: then I guess one other clarification on the septic question,

[1:03:33] Voice 12: because this is a broader question I think. So my understanding is that there is a 100 meter

[1:03:38] Voice 12: separation of well and septic field like requirement um i think it's 100 meters in my

[1:03:45] Voice 12: head i know that and so i'm a little concerned that we don't have a regulation related to septic

[1:03:52] Voice 12: trucks if septic fields are considered problematic for the distance from a well

[1:03:57] Voice 12: why aren't septic trucks i guess that's a little bit of a question not specifically to this property

[1:04:03] Voice 12: just generally um and i don't know if there's any answer to that question i appreciate let's put

[1:04:09] Voice 12: that on the parking lot list of like things we should address like to make sure that we come

[1:04:14] Voice 12: back to that point and are like you know minor revisions issues because it seems like that's an

[1:04:18] Voice 12: oversight to not have

[1:04:20] Voice 12: septic trucks counted as different roles from people of contamination

[1:04:25] Voice 12: issues any thoughts on that it's fine just to park that one somewhere in our like little you

[1:04:35] Voice 12: know like we have a list of little minor amendments we might need we need to consider that and at some

[1:04:40] Voice 12: point in the future

[1:04:40] Voice 8: a piece okay

[1:04:44] Voice 11: whatever the distance is there

[1:04:45] Voice 11: is a distance

[1:04:46] Voice 19: something on the

[1:04:48] Voice 19: farm the bcspm dictates all that and it's 30 meters it's clearly that i'm finding that

[1:04:56] Voice 19: an

[1:04:56] Voice 14: expert in this my response is this is about so you're concerned

[1:05:01] Voice 14: aren't your septic trucks but they are fueling diesel and they're welding and there's various

[1:05:12] Voice 14: hazards materials empty cocaine those things are closer to my well it's right there okay so i'm

[1:05:20] Voice 14: trying to write these concerns to you and i'm really having a hard time with it because you're

[1:05:26] Voice 14: not taking you seriously okay if there's something happening at my place that people are concerned

[1:05:32] Voice 14: about or is wrong i will address it with you okay well

[1:05:35] Trustee Maude: now just to be clear when you were here last

[1:05:37] Trustee Maude: april we asked you to make an application for either a very development parents referred to

[1:05:43] Trustee Maude: have you made an application i

[1:05:45] Voice 14: met with your fire law officer mr david worthington

[1:05:50] Voice 14: and he investigated my home and then emailed me and he said in his email quote it has been

[1:05:58] Voice 14: determined that the contractor yard is permitted this is the email i received but

[1:06:07] Voice 5: i think you're

[1:06:08] Voice 5: hearing more today and we've certainly communicated this to you already

[1:06:11] Voice 5: the title enforcement issue with your property is that your

[1:06:17] Voice 15: contractor

[1:06:18] Voice 5: yard is within the setback

[1:06:20] Voice 5: So address that issue, and then you would have a legal use there.

[1:06:23] Voice 5: I'll be happy

[1:06:24] Voice 14: to address it in writing, but I'm not going to stash it and be defamed by you.

[1:06:29] Voice 14: So one last

[1:06:29] Voice 12: thought, just to talk about the defamation issue.

[1:06:33] Voice 12: So your delegation today is about the comments specifically on your property.

[1:06:39] Voice 12: I'm not going to talk about any other property while we talk about this.

[1:06:43] Voice 12: We will talk about that when the zoning comes up for that,

[1:06:45] Voice 12: and there's a lot of community comments related to that issue that we will take into consideration.

[1:06:50] Voice 12: i would argue that there isn't a defamation issue here it's about just ensuring that what you are

[1:06:59] Voice 12: doing on your property is clear because i have asked you about that in past conversations that

[1:07:06] Voice 12: you and i have had walking on your property no yes i have and so like that's some sort of that's

[1:07:13] Voice 12: so i'm talking i'm talking you had 10 minutes to respond i'm responding okay and so i i apologize

[1:07:25] Voice 12: if hypocrisy came across that way it was intended wasn't intended to undermine you it concerns me

[1:07:32] Voice 12: that that you know

[1:07:35] Voice 12: related to your specific property that i keep seeing and it's not like

[1:07:39] Voice 12: multiple people in the community have asked me about trucks on your property and so because of

[1:07:45] Voice 12: what you guys said no before that okay so I have questions about that and so that was the questions

[1:07:53] Voice 12: that I brought up so that's and I deal with those issues property by property as people like comment

[1:07:59] Voice 12: to me about them and so that was where I'm coming from so neighboring property aside that will also

[1:08:07] Voice 12: be dealt with okay but it does seem important to me that like everything in that region is

[1:08:14] Voice 12: under compliance personally i'd like everybody on this island to be under compliance that's my goal

[1:08:19] Voice 14: okay and it's always my understanding that it was and it still is okay so we can

[1:08:25] Voice 14: talk about it more

[1:08:26] Voice 14: i don't want to take any more of your time and you have a lot to do um thank

[1:08:31] Voice 12: you yeah so um

[1:08:33] Voice 12: Um, Warren, if we can get something in writing about the current status of, um, Sarah Miles

[1:08:40] Voice 12: property to Ms. Miles, that would be really appreciated.

[1:08:43] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:08:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So are you requesting a, through the chair, are you requesting a staff report?

[1:08:48] Voice 12: I'm requesting a, a staff report if we can send that forward or whatever we need to do.

[1:08:54] Voice 12: Yep.

[1:08:54] Voice 12: And I'll take Brad's comment here in a second.

[1:08:56] Voice 12: I just, I would like to make sure, and I probably MCC'd and have not just caught up on it, but

[1:09:01] Voice 12: I just want to be sure, like, as of today, what is the current legal compliance status of Ms. Miles' property to her issues so that we have it on our, that would be nice.

[1:09:11] Voice 5: So I think what you would require, or what I think would be best is for file enforcement to provide an update to Ms. Miles exactly where your file is at.

[1:09:24] Voice 5: That would be perfect, yes.

[1:09:27] Voice 5: Yes, as a resolution. Yeah, I can put it right, you know, interest. I'll put it to

[1:09:32] Voice 12: do a resolution. I just want it to be like, you

[1:09:35] Voice 5: don't need to. Okay, okay,

[1:09:36] Voice 12: if we can just get us that it'll

[1:09:37] Voice 5: be a follow up and clarify that issue around the setup.

[1:09:41] Voice 5: Yeah, that

[1:09:42] Voice 12: would be helpful. Thank you, Warren. Thank you.

[1:09:47] Trustee Maude: So we have course audits. We have 13.1 for level management, reading the director's center.

[1:09:56] Voice 15: Yes.

[1:10:00] Trustee Maude: So that's for information, but do you have any requests

[1:10:04] Voice 5: for feedback on that?

[1:10:05] Voice 5: I think, while I think the topic is covered under your housing action plan in terms of looking for higher density opportunities in areas of community amenities, I think your resolution from LTC, if you are willing to consider consideration of it within your project,

[1:10:29] Voice 5: uh it could also then include like proof of water and septic for those additional units so that they

[1:10:37] Voice 5: could do that work within the project versus having to apply for rezoning separately and do

[1:10:43] Voice 5: all of that yeah can

[1:10:46] Voice 12: i add a couple things to that so

[1:10:48] Voice 5: that would be what you're thinking about

[1:10:51] Voice 5: today and what the the other option is to just say no you need to ask for rezoning for this for

[1:10:56] Voice 5: for units yeah go

[1:10:58] Voice 5: through that process separately yeah

[1:11:00] Voice 12: i would like it to be part of a positive

[1:11:02] Voice 12: conversation um and the reason is i sat down and had a story here um i had a long conversation

[1:11:09] Voice 12: with georgia at one point about this and just looked at like all the history of that site and

[1:11:13] Voice 12: all the things that have been like proposed there at different times they've gone through a lot

[1:11:18] Voice 12: frankly like conversation with community at different times i kind of feel like a community

[1:11:24] Voice 12: community-led process at this point about what they want to see in that

[1:11:27] Voice 12: area would be better

[1:11:29] Voice 12: like it would be a better process than a individual rezoning application because I don't know it's

[1:11:36] Voice 12: just there's some historical issues that are kind of too long to get into at the moment but I'm happy

[1:11:41] Voice 12: to talk to anybody about them but I do think it would be better for the community to say what is

[1:11:46] Voice 12: the community want and consider in that region I would love to just name that part of the biggest

[1:11:54] Voice 12: biggest part of the challenge in that area is around water it's about proof of water and what

[1:11:59] Voice 12: con what constitutes proof of water in that region and so like what could and i think we're

[1:12:06] Voice 12: out of place in history now that we weren't like 10 years ago where we could do a pilot project

[1:12:12] Voice 12: for multifamily residential that's different proof of water than well right and so like we consider

[1:12:18] Voice 12: that like what could we do that's like more creative proof of water for you know anyway i

[1:12:23] Voice 12: i think dorothy's open to that i think it's like a possibility to do a multi-family residential

[1:12:28] Voice 12: interesting kind of a large situation because i was there

[1:12:32] Voice 6: and when i saw that i i have had

[1:12:35] Voice 6: a conversation with her as well and i thought that we had already given them an answer as to next

[1:12:42] Voice 6: steps i

[1:12:44] Voice 12: think we said they were open to it like but

[1:12:46] Voice 6: that it was on a unit by unit basis as they

[1:12:50] Voice 6: build out because they had addressed where the new pedals and pauses, when they did the

[1:12:57] Voice 6: renovation of that, the concept of putting a unit above it, but that they would need

[1:13:04] Voice 6: to do some rezoning for that, and then they're talking about units that are not yet built

[1:13:11] Voice 6: and building them, which should kind of be addressed.

[1:13:14] Voice 6: i thought at the time unit by unit when they actually do the build out of them i think that's

[1:13:22] Voice 12: for the the dripwood complex i know that there is a little bit of a larger conversation about

[1:13:27] Voice 12: some of the property

[1:13:28] Voice 12: going back away from the dirtwood as well and like on the property but

[1:13:34] Voice 12: further back so

[1:13:35] Voice 6: i guess there's a tourist accommodation piece yeah behind yeah

[1:13:41] Voice 12: there

[1:13:42] Voice 12: was a whole plan that they had a few quite a few years ago before i was a trustee um that had gone

[1:13:46] Voice 12: forward but it was kibosh because of well water like the concerns around well water and so i i

[1:13:55] Voice 12: guess one of the questions i have for the apc and maybe this is just an open question is like

[1:14:01] Voice 12: is there some consideration of multi-family in that region that you're already thinking about

[1:14:07] Voice 9: we're looking at the plans uh before we make decisions so

[1:14:13] Voice 4: we don't make any decisions

[1:14:16] Voice 9: no that's agent

[1:14:18] Voice 9: i

[1:14:18] Voice 16: meant

[1:14:22] Voice 9: we're looking at the plans before we figure out where we would recommend the

[1:14:33] Voice 9: particular types of building take place right so that the key is getting those two working work

[1:14:42] Voice 9: plans done so that we understand the water and the build-out potential before we could make any

[1:14:49] Voice 9: recommendations and that's that's all yeah

[1:14:54] Voice 4: i think the suitable land analysis

[1:14:56] Voice 4: and the build-out analysis are we need them before you know those are critical

[1:15:04] Voice 4: critical documents that we need to make any decision yeah

[1:15:07] Voice 16: can

[1:15:08] Voice 4: i

[1:15:10] Voice 5: just add that uh this particular letter in my discussions with dorothy

[1:15:14] Voice 5: there's talking about just three units uh above the additional three units that are part of their

[1:15:22] Voice 5: master development plan in their commercial zone so any other discussion around like a bigger

[1:15:28] Voice 5: multi-family development in the back there or wherever in that area uh would be further informed

[1:15:35] Voice 5: by the suitable land analysis and the build-up analysis and this would be really just i think

[1:15:40] Voice 5: very specifically holding on is it appropriate and is there water and septic to permit three

[1:15:47] Voice 5: extra units and they could be uh just units or you could have a rental agreement some kind of

[1:15:56] Voice 5: rental agreement on them or you could uh require that they'd be like uh accessory to uh the

[1:16:05] Voice 5: principal use as like worker housing right so you can you can make some of those determinations as

[1:16:12] Voice 5: you wait that proposal but it would just permit that allow them to have it considered through

[1:16:18] Voice 5: your project versus

[1:16:20] Voice 12: the timeline i think for that sounds well slightly faster than the timeline

[1:16:26] Voice 12: that's likely to be on the housing plan i

[1:16:29] Voice 5: would say that it would be all carried on in the same

[1:16:32] Voice 5: year next year and a half with plan implementation okay

[1:16:36] Voice 12: i'm good for it to be incorporated if we

[1:16:39] Voice 12: think that that's the most sort of efficient use it's for me it's a little bit more i know there's

[1:16:45] Voice 12: this dilemma that we always come into about like everything with the kitchen sink in our project

[1:16:50] Voice 12: but i'm also this is about housing and i kind of feel like it's an

[1:16:54] Voice 12: expeditious way to get the

[1:16:55] Voice 12: housing let's do that if

[1:16:56] Voice 5: it's in your housing plan you probably have more opportunity to shape it

[1:17:03] Voice 5: into community housing that's like i think it would just be quite appropriate to work or housing

[1:17:11] Voice 5: because there's a ton of employees there that need houses and that might be uh easier to sell

[1:17:18] Voice 5: to the community yeah um so to me it's more like an opportunity to get three units in a place that

[1:17:25] Voice 5: where they would really make sense subject to water incentives which are i think a little bit

[1:17:31] Voice 5: challenging yeah

[1:17:32] Voice 15: but

[1:17:33] Voice 5: they would need to do that work to prove that before but so

[1:17:39] Voice 12: so i'm okay for

[1:17:40] Voice 12: it to be part of the housing plan if that's the most expeditious way to do that i'm okay with that

[1:17:44] Voice 12: you

[1:17:45] Voice 5: could always separate it out later as well to a separate bylaw if you were still thinking about

[1:17:49] Voice 5: that we wanted to move on our next race in the motions yeah

[1:17:53] Voice 15: i'm good with that so there's a

[1:17:54] Voice 5: motion you need to i think it would be good to add a motion just that uh the local the local trust

[1:18:01] Voice 5: committee agrees to consider the additional additional dwelling units at

[1:18:09] Voice 5: the Drift Road Centre as part of their housing action plan.

[1:18:12] Voice 5: Can

[1:18:12] Voice 11: we catch that as a motion?

[1:18:15] Voice 11: So

[1:18:16] Voice 5: Lisa did you capture that?

[1:18:18] Voice 5: As part of action panel plan deliverable number six would be even better I think.

[1:18:23] Voice 5: So I just asked Lisa is she captured motion there?

[1:18:28] Voice 17: I'll read it back I might have missed some of it.

[1:18:31] Voice 17: that the north pender island local trust committee agrees to consider additional dwelling units

[1:18:36] Voice 17: as part of their housing action plan deliverable number six at

[1:18:41] Voice 12: the driftwood center additional

[1:18:43] Voice 12: housing units at the driftwood center thank

[1:18:45] Voice 17: you okay and i'll

[1:18:48] Voice 11: go ahead and move that

[1:18:50] Voice 5: any further discussion that works for you it's good i think that will give them some clarity

[1:18:55] Voice 5: that they're in that process versus having to be asked separately.

[1:19:00] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:19:01] Voice 12: And just, like, I know that there's going to be some, like,

[1:19:04] Voice 12: communications about, okay, are we preferentially treating

[1:19:07] Voice 12: the Dirkwood Centre, like, instead of having to do a rezoning?

[1:19:10] Voice 12: I know that's coming.

[1:19:11] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:19:11] Voice 12: So just preemptively.

[1:19:13] Voice 12: For me, it's about, like, what is the fastest rate of housing

[1:19:17] Voice 12: for people in our community?

[1:19:18] Voice 12: And so that's the question.

[1:19:21] Voice 12: I think

[1:19:23] Voice 6: that would be if anybody who were speaking this week, Rod and I, and the biggest thing is who is going to do this because we don't have the ability to do it.

[1:19:35] Voice 6: And whether it is an association or somebody that has land that's willing to work for something,

[1:19:44] Voice 6: and we really we can put all of the pieces together with all of the work that abc has done

[1:19:51] Voice 6: and at the end of the day it's still going to take somebody whether it's an association or an

[1:19:59] Voice 6: individual person to push it forward so this is you know the first um hopefully numerous

[1:20:07] Voice 6: opportunities to do something like that but it it does do well to roll it in

[1:20:13] Voice 6: no if

[1:20:13] Trustee Maude: you have a willing participant yeah you know because because these things are very difficult

[1:20:18] Trustee Maude: they're very expensive we did exactly the same thing i mean when we did our plus housing

[1:20:22] Trustee Maude: they said we identified an area a lot we had somebody outside the area said look i really

[1:20:28] Trustee Maude: want to participate in this so we changed our boundaries

[1:20:31] Voice 16: to

[1:20:32] Trustee Maude: incorporate that property because

[1:20:33] Trustee Maude: if you have somebody who's willing and able to do it you might as well embrace them and encourage

[1:20:38] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[1:20:39] Voice 12: I think my hesitancy sometimes is because, you know, I am a firm believer that the environment is paramount to the trust, regardless of all the conversations at Trust Council.

[1:20:52] Voice 12: And so the question is, like, but they do already have to prove water and they have to prove sewer.

[1:20:56] Voice 12: So, like, that's already in our protection. It's already an area that's built.

[1:21:00] Voice 12: So I'm, like, good to make that work.

[1:21:04] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:21:04] Trustee Maude: So-called question.

[1:21:06] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[1:21:06] Trustee Maude: That carries.

[1:21:07] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much.

[1:21:09] Trustee Maude: Really good conversation.

[1:21:11] Trustee Maude: 13.2, we have a letter from Julia Nichols, which she ran out in this meeting.

[1:21:15] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:21:15] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[1:21:16] Trustee Maude: We just received that.

[1:21:16] Trustee Maude: We thank her for her input.

[1:21:19] Trustee Maude: So, we have an application for referrals on page 19.

[1:21:24] Trustee Maude: So, can a trust committee or a referral propose file on number 5443?

[1:21:28] Voice 12: Sorry, before.

[1:21:29] Voice 12: Can we make sure that the letter from Julia goes forward to the trust committee?

[1:21:32] Voice 12: trust council do i need a motion for that can you just like throw it into the trust council packet

[1:21:38] Voice 12: for the trust council because it's really

[1:21:40] Voice 12: related to a trust council issue so

[1:21:42] Trustee Maude: ltc forwarded the

[1:21:46] Trustee Maude: trust council or should we go

[1:21:47] Voice 6: did she not send it to flora uh

[1:21:53] Voice 12: i'll check i'll check i thought that

[1:21:57] Voice 12: it could be actually it could be that she didn't do it so i'll check that it's not if not i can

[1:22:03] Voice 12: can ask her to directly send it in

[1:22:04] Voice 5: that's the best approach for her to come from the

[1:22:10] Voice 6: constituent it's fun to say that to everybody that's here as well when you're thinking about

[1:22:14] Voice 6: communicating something sending it to sub info so when it comes like those are the right route

[1:22:23] Voice 6: to become part of a public record i had some people message me wanting to know what my email

[1:22:30] Voice 6: address was so that they could send me their opinion directly and I said well it really does

[1:22:37] Voice 6: more for for for your opinion is to send it so that it comes to all three of us

[1:22:43] Voice 6: and to Brad and it becomes part of the public correspondence that way otherwise it's just me

[1:22:49] Voice 6: saying saying oh I heard from so-and-so or I heard from this person and I mean I could

[1:22:54] Voice 6: be completely pulling it out of my ass to come up with that statement you know um but when people

[1:23:01] Voice 6: can refer back to it to see that this is what the person could actually written it's valuable

[1:23:08] Voice 6: encourage

[1:23:09] Voice 12: you to send anything related to the trust also to the chair because it gets in the

[1:23:12] Voice 12: restroom okay

[1:23:13] Trustee Maude: moving back to the testosterone um i'm assuming interest so we just need

[1:23:22] Trustee Maude: motion association yes

[1:23:32] Voice 11: i i would say interest unaffected um so which one is that

[1:23:37] Voice 11: unfortunately

[1:23:38] Trustee Maude: they don't give us a motion um and i think that having a tragedy oh here it is here

[1:23:43] Trustee Maude: it's just a checkbox okay

[1:23:45] Voice 12: i mean the north london local trust committee

[1:23:49] Voice 12: communicate interest unaffected by bylaw on bylaw number five three

[1:23:55] Voice 12: Can I just do that item number 14.1 on item 14.1?

[1:24:01] Trustee Maude: Seconded.

[1:24:03] Trustee Maude: Call the question.

[1:24:03] Trustee Maude: All in favor?

[1:24:04] Trustee Maude: Carries.

[1:24:05] Trustee Maude: So then I have 14.2.

[1:24:06] Trustee Maude: So, you know, just the referral post-violence, 5.4, 5.5.

[1:24:12] Voice 6: It's the same issue, just two different sets of violence.

[1:24:17] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:24:19] Voice 12: Do you have it in front of you?

[1:24:20] Voice 12: Can I just do the same one again, Lisa?

[1:24:23] Voice 12: 14.2.

[1:24:24] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:24:26] Voice 17: Understood.

[1:24:26] Voice 17: okay

[1:24:27] Voice 12: so that's so the north bender island local trust committee um our

[1:24:34] Voice 12: interests are unaffected by violent crime in 14.2 second

[1:24:38] Trustee Maude: question carries third one

[1:24:41] Trustee Maude: local trust committee referral draft file number 143 did have a question about this one okay

[1:24:50] Voice 6: And it may be that it's unaffected, or I think we are unaffected by it, but in referencing using rainwater, so it's to amend the references of rainwater storage to be more inclusively referenced as fresh water.

[1:25:18] Voice 11: That's interesting.

[1:25:19] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:25:20] Voice 6: because it has always been that rainwater is not considered to be a source of potable water.

[1:25:30] Voice 6: BHA does not accept rainwater collection as your source of water.

[1:25:36] Voice 6: It does now

[1:25:37] Voice 12: for single family residential. The problem is this is secondary suites included.

[1:25:41] Voice 12: right

[1:25:42] Voice 6: yeah but i so what i was wondering was regardless of how they're looking at is this

[1:25:48] Voice 6: something that we also need to look at for ourselves with the housing action plan moving

[1:25:53] Voice 6: forward with the ideas for rbs or tiny houses or how do we how do we make sure that we

[1:26:03] Voice 6: encourage folks to be putting in cisterns is that's the other part of it is to change the

[1:26:09] Voice 6: minimum cistern capacity provisions um so while this is we are unaffected by this by law you're

[1:26:19] Voice 6: interested we may be should be affected so yeah so i would

[1:26:25] Voice 12: think you're unaffected by this specifically

[1:26:27] Voice 12: i do think it's an interesting question with secondary so my understanding from conversations

[1:26:33] Voice 12: with these different housing authorities

[1:26:35] Voice 12: and issues with is that fresh water,

[1:26:39] Voice 12: rainwater production has to go through some kind of

[1:26:41] Voice 12: like health screening or like, you know,

[1:26:44] Voice 12: and somebody has to be

[1:26:46] Voice 12: to hold that responsibility, right, for the system.

[1:26:51] Voice 12: So the single family management system,

[1:26:54] Voice 12: well, the homeowner is responsible for it, right?

[1:26:56] Voice 12: But if you have another ADU on the property,

[1:27:00] Voice 12: well now you are the holder of the water system as the as the owner of the property you're

[1:27:07] Voice 12: responsible for another family's health and welfare and water which there

[1:27:13] Voice 6: is there is a

[1:27:14] Voice 6: there is a file i don't believe it's an island trust file but it's active on pender right now

[1:27:22] Voice 6: for that exact thing where an accessory dwelling unit has had issues with water and sewer um that

[1:27:33] Voice 6: is provided by by the homeowner and the and BHA looks at the landlord as the person that is liable

[1:27:45] Voice 6: that's right so

[1:27:46] Voice 6: I would think in a situation like this in a secondary suite the landlord would be

[1:27:52] Voice 6: the person that's liable for the walk yeah

[1:27:55] Voice 12: and that is the issue with multi-family residential

[1:27:57] Voice 12: is like when we don't have the landlord to be the holder of it and who's the landlord anyway

[1:28:02] Voice 12: just to

[1:28:04] Voice 5: clarify that fresh water doesn't pop away so fresh water just expands the definition

[1:28:11] Voice 5: from rainwater attachment to also allowing groundwater attachment so you're capturing fresh

[1:28:19] Voice 5: So quite often these systems, they trickle, serve their tanks, and build them up as their storage.

[1:28:32] Voice 5: So in the context of the Cisterna by-law, that's where that changes.

[1:28:37] Voice 5: So cisterns can also be used for any freshwater catchment.

[1:28:44] Voice 5: But that freshwater would still need to be treated in some way before it becomes caught on the water.

[1:28:49] Voice 5: So the last thing, your

[1:28:50] Trustee Maude: cistern basically is that if you want to use it for potable purposes, it needs treatment, but you can use it for non-potable purposes regarding how loud it is.

[1:28:59] Voice 8: So

[1:28:59] Trustee Maude: it's basically, the intent, like we put a requirement for cisterns on secondary suites, but we didn't say what you have to use it for.

[1:29:12] Trustee Maude: The idea was basically to act as an ultimate water source for whatever you need to take the pressure off the system.

[1:29:19] Voice 6: there's a a lot on saturn a person's home i was talking to marie a little bit about

[1:29:28] Voice 6: that they have sort of allowed her to prove out um bringing in her potable water herself and

[1:29:38] Voice 6: doing a composting toilet idea her brain she is she is fully she is fully off grid

[1:29:48] Voice 12: yeah so

[1:29:49] Voice 12: and that is allowed now like he has allowing that type of thing

[1:29:53] Voice 12: the question comes when you're liable for another swatter yeah

[1:29:57] Trustee Maude: that's the difference yeah

[1:30:00] Trustee Maude: just on Main, there's probably 50 houses right now

[1:30:03] Trustee Maude: in Rainwater, catching it all over.

[1:30:04] Voice 15: Yeah,

[1:30:05] Trustee Maude: it's overgrowing.

[1:30:06] Voice 15: And

[1:30:07] Trustee Maude: some of these are pretty gloss houses.

[1:30:08] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:30:10] Trustee Maude: There's a glass of base tanner.

[1:30:12] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:30:13] Trustee Maude: All the most of all, arsenic.

[1:30:15] Voice 15: Well, yeah.

[1:30:16] Trustee Maude: So it's total irony,

[1:30:18] Trustee Maude: is they use those wells to get their building done.

[1:30:21] Voice 16: But

[1:30:21] Trustee Maude: the water, they could not use it.

[1:30:23] Trustee Maude: It was so bad, it couldn't be treated.

[1:30:25] Trustee Maude: So they all have systems and they use it.

[1:30:28] Trustee Maude: and these are one home it's like a piece of template our own um so it's these are

[1:30:34] Trustee Maude: raymond attachment it's not unusual yeah

[1:30:36] Voice 12: okay

[1:30:37] Trustee Maude: so great i think we're

[1:30:40] Voice 12: not kind of island local trust committee said that their interests are unaffected on

[1:30:47] Voice 12: 14.3 second

[1:30:49] Trustee Maude: color question all in favor all ready um all right so now we move now to

[1:30:56] Trustee Maude: page 40,

[1:30:58] Voice 4: which

[1:31:00] Trustee Maude: is PL DDP 2025.0086, Mr. Wood. And I see Planner Belcher has come on our screen

[1:31:08] Trustee Maude: with a rainbow above his head. Planner Belcher, it's over to you.

[1:31:12] Voice 1: Thank you. Yes, this is a new

[1:31:16] Voice 1: development variance permit application for a height and story variance at 1204 Port Washington

[1:31:23] Voice 1: The applicant wishes to construct a new prefabricated accessory building on a previously permitted deck foundation. Due to the deck's height and height of the chosen prefab kit, the applicant determined that a height variance would be necessary.

[1:31:39] Voice 1: and upon staff review. A variance to the maximum of one story would also require a variance due to

[1:31:47] Voice 1: the building having a small loft area. The new building would not impact any neighboring views

[1:31:54] Voice 1: due to its location on the north end of the south sloping property and not near any property lines.

[1:32:02] Voice 1: The building cannot be used as a dwelling and the intended use is an accessory structure

[1:32:07] Voice 1: for hobbies and recreation due to the existing dwelling having a limited size.

[1:32:13] Voice 1: Granting a variance would not exempt the owner from complying with the permitted uses in the

[1:32:18] Voice 1: zone. And based on the rationale for siting the building on an existing deck and the minimal

[1:32:24] Voice 1: new impacts on the neighbors, staff recommends that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[1:32:30] Voice 1: Committee approve issuance of PLDVP 2025-0086. Thanks.

[1:32:39] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Planner Dr. Crusty. Any questions or concerns?

[1:32:42] Voice 12: I just had a quick question about the staff report. It says on page 41 at the very top that the zoning allows the property to a total lot coverage of 25%.

[1:32:58] Voice 12: I thought in our new land use bylaw that we had switched over to square footages, or sorry, to square meters or square footages or whatever it was, instead of 25% as the default lot coverage.

[1:33:12] Voice 5: There's still lot coverages as well as maximum floor areas.

[1:33:16] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:33:21] Voice 5: Maximum house, I think.

[1:33:23] Voice 5: I thought

[1:33:24] Voice 11: there was a maximum.

[1:33:24] Voice 5: So lot coverage, floor area, it's like more or less a square footage.

[1:33:32] Voice 5: It's a slightly different definition, but it's more or less a floor.

[1:33:36] Voice 5: So that would include upper and lower, for example.

[1:33:40] Voice 5: Lot coverage is like a 3D photo frame from above.

[1:33:44] Voice 5: And so lot coverage is like how much of the lot is being covered by structures regardless of their vertical height.

[1:33:52] Voice 5: So there's two different things in play.

[1:33:54] Voice 12: So, no, I understand what lot coverage means.

[1:33:56] Voice 12: I just thought on lot coverage, I thought we'd gone to tables.

[1:34:00] Voice 7: Those are for floor area.

[1:34:03] Voice 12: Only for floor area, not for lot coverage.

[1:34:06] Voice 12: I thought lot coverage was also in tables.

[1:34:08] Voice 12: Sorry.

[1:34:10] Voice 5: The maximum floor area of all buildings.

[1:34:14] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:34:15] Voice 5: So you have maximum floor areas for your dwellings

[1:34:19] Voice 5: and maximum floor area for all buildings.

[1:34:22] Voice 5: buildings, but log coverage also includes a deck or a...

[1:34:31] Voice 12: Okay, that's helpful.

[1:34:35] Voice 12: So I guess my question then is, I see the current coverage is about

[1:34:41] Voice 12: 3.5%, which is great, that's fine. But, oh, and so then the next part is about maximum

[1:34:49] Voice 12: maximum floor rate for all buildings does not exceed 500 meters squared and the proposed

[1:34:56] Voice 12: accessory building is 140 meters right

[1:34:59] Voice 1: that's the total

[1:35:00] Voice 12: yeah that's the number that i was actually

[1:35:04] Voice 12: looking for okay that's helpful sorry i just got lost in percentages and i got stuck on the

[1:35:08] Voice 12: first edges. Okay, thank you for that.

[1:35:15] Trustee Maude: So that's good. Okay. Anything else?

[1:35:19] Voice 12: No. So this variance is basically like the short version of this variance is that it's a slightly

[1:35:24] Voice 12: over height and the loft is slightly higher than normal for accessory building. And that's because

[1:35:30] Voice 12: it's a kit home and it's on an existing footing. So they're trying to find a kit home that fits on

[1:35:35] Voice 12: the existing footing to not cause additional lot damage is that what i'm understanding yeah i think

[1:35:41] Trustee Maude: that and the footing pushes it up yeah so

[1:35:44] Trustee Maude: that

[1:35:46] Voice 12: seems reasonable to me so

[1:35:49] Trustee Maude: so somebody read the

[1:35:51] Trustee Maude: motion i

[1:35:52] Voice 6: know page 40 at the north bender panel local press committee approved vacuums of plbp

[1:36:00] Voice 6: 2025.0086 second second for the discussion call question on favor

[1:36:09] Voice 6: that carries thank you very much anybody is thinking of building a small place to check out

[1:36:16] Voice 6: it's called bunkie life yeah they're it's a their pricing for the pits is super reasonable yeah i

[1:36:25] Voice 11: I

[1:36:25] Voice 6: was really I looked into it to see if there was a reason they couldn't make a shorter one

[1:36:30] Voice 6: yeah but uh it there's a ton of land on there and they they seem really well well done well

[1:36:38] Voice 12: I just actually looked also at DC build there's a whole guide to like pre-improve plans so just

[1:36:44] Voice 12: for people that are like thinking about building it's really worthwhile to do that because it's

[1:36:48] Voice 12: all covered like in all of the CRP building related permit stuff it's just much cheaper

[1:36:53] Voice 12: where Lord knows that's an issue these days.

[1:36:56] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:36:57] Trustee Maude: All right, so we have 14.5, it's PNLBDP 2025.0124,

[1:37:03] Trustee Maude: page 15A, again, over to the planning officer.

[1:37:08] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:37:09] Voice 1: Yeah, so this is a new development variance permit

[1:37:12] Voice 1: to relax the vertical and horizontal setback

[1:37:16] Voice 1: to the natural boundary of the sea

[1:37:19] Voice 1: for a new shoreline stabilization rock retaining wall

[1:37:23] Voice 1: and riprap. And so on this property, erosion has been taking place along the shoreline

[1:37:31] Voice 1: that has the potential to continue and impact the safety of the property and the existing

[1:37:36] Voice 1: Otter Bay Marina waterline, which runs through the property by an easement. And the applicant,

[1:37:44] Voice 1: so the applicant hired Rizek Engineering to inspect the site and design a shoreline structure

[1:37:50] Voice 1: and also hired a registered professional biologist to identify sensitive ecosystems, endangered species,

[1:37:58] Voice 1: and any environmental impact that might be caused through the new construction.

[1:38:04] Voice 1: The engineer designed a tiered rock retaining wall to support the slope, and they investigated a green shores approach.

[1:38:13] Voice 1: However, due to the steepness of the slope, a significant amount of excavation would be required in order to bring the slope to an acceptable level and potentially would create more impacts in regards to the waterline and the easement, having to cut into more of that area.

[1:38:34] Voice 1: The environmental assessment did not identify any species at risk, but did recommend restoration of the bank following bank stabilization through removing invasives and planting native species, which is the applicant's intent.

[1:38:50] Voice 1: And staff consider that the proposed construction would have limited impacts on neighbors, given its size, the environment, and the public use of the foreshore.

[1:39:02] Voice 1: over. Professional reports provided reasonable recommendations to mitigate the impacts and the

[1:39:09] Voice 1: proposed structures would enable the owner to manage the invasive species and prevent future

[1:39:14] Voice 1: erosion. So based on this, staff recommends that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[1:39:20] Voice 1: Committee approve issuance of PLDVP-2025-0124.

[1:39:27] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:39:29] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Dr. Crespi.

[1:39:31] Voice 12: I have a few questions about this one.

[1:39:35] Voice 12: So can you talk to us about any of the referrals

[1:39:39] Voice 12: that might have, or if there was a referral needed or not

[1:39:42] Voice 12: to go forward to First Nations here?

[1:39:44] Voice 12: Because I'm worried about the waterfront issue

[1:39:46] Voice 12: and taking it to the bank in any way to stabilize without First Nations having walked through or looked at the space?

[1:39:58] Voice 1: So there was no referral process for this application.

[1:40:04] Voice 1: We reviewed it for archaeological potential and archaeological sites, which there weren't any on the property.

[1:40:17] Voice 12: And then the other question related, can I just add one question, because I think you all have to add to it, too.

[1:40:23] Voice 12: So my understanding was that sort of sea walls, broadly speaking, whatever that looks like, are not permitted in the trust area.

[1:40:33] Voice 12: And I don't, maybe if I could just get clarification, because my understanding is we're supposed to build green shores, period.

[1:40:39] Voice 12: But maybe I'm confused about that.

[1:40:42] Voice 5: So with respect to your first question, it's sort of like the wall that was approved last time with the willow waddling, where we take on the role of informing the applicant of the potential risk of archaeological material.

[1:41:00] Voice 5: it was up to them to determine what the vcr archaeological branch of the department uh and

[1:41:07] Voice 5: so that was worth that same with how you loved it with lana last time uh with respect to just

[1:41:16] Voice 5: to add to what bruce uh said there and what was your other question just

[1:41:19] Voice 12: around the like

[1:41:20] Voice 12: the green transverses yeah so

[1:41:23] Voice 5: you don't actually have development permit guidelines for like on

[1:41:28] Voice 5: Galeano, for example, they have a development permit everywhere on the shorelines that requires

[1:41:33] Voice 5: anything to require a development permit. And then in those guidelines, the Green Shores

[1:41:43] Voice 5: processes or all they know is guidelines that you're expected to follow. You can apply some

[1:41:47] Voice 5: of that to a development variance permit, but you don't have the same set of detailed guidelines

[1:41:53] Voice 5: that you would but in this case the engineer has determined that any green

[1:42:00] Voice 5: shores approach won't work. I visited the site myself early on in the slump and it

[1:42:06] Voice 5: is a steep slope versus the same engineers have determined on the other

[1:42:13] Voice 5: site as well that the slope was reasonable enough to take on a more

[1:42:19] Voice 5: green shores approach so i think that the the use of green shores always has to be carefully

[1:42:24] Voice 5: measured with the practicality you know geotechnically of using that and in some cases

[1:42:31] Voice 5: boulder ballast rocks are just the practical approach is

[1:42:37] Voice 12: there something i feel like there

[1:42:39] Voice 12: is something in the trust policies um the

[1:42:43] Trustee Maude: new version says that all of the trust committees

[1:42:46] Trustee Maude: these must address or make a decision for a hard base. So

[1:42:52] Trustee Maude: the previous iteration would

[1:42:55] Trustee Maude: prohibit it. This one actually makes local justice actually have to make provision for

[1:43:01] Trustee Maude: it.

[1:43:01] Voice 12: So the previous one is what's currently in.

[1:43:04] Trustee Maude: That's a previous draft. The existing

[1:43:07] Trustee Maude: trust policy status will speak to it. Okay.

[1:43:10] Voice 12: I understand this particular situation because

[1:43:13] Voice 12: right next to me and probably going to wash all the time like so i understand the challenge and

[1:43:17] Voice 12: things so there's

[1:43:19] Voice 21: a man it's it's it's it's my application okay

[1:43:24] Voice 21: sorry

[1:43:27] Voice 4: you look more stressed

[1:43:30] Voice 21: i was like yeah i i i remember the day i saw it

[1:43:39] Voice 21: all the blackberries are gone

[1:43:41] Voice 21: and then

[1:43:42] Voice 21: I'm like oh my god the blackberries are gone

[1:43:43] Voice 21: oh the tree is gone

[1:43:45] Voice 21: why is the tree gone and then I ran down

[1:43:47] Voice 21: and I saw this

[1:43:48] Voice 21: you know there is actually

[1:43:51] Voice 21: a big rock in front of

[1:43:53] Voice 21: and we don't want to restore the shoreline

[1:43:56] Voice 21: we really just want

[1:43:58] Voice 21: to stabilize the bank

[1:44:00] Voice 21: the shoreline is

[1:44:01] Voice 21: it's a game and in front of where the water

[1:44:04] Voice 21: comes beneath there is another huge

[1:44:06] Voice 21: huge rock, and

[1:44:07] Voice 21: actually the first row of boulders before it was made to hold everything back.

[1:44:13] Voice 21: I don't think you would even see that, because it will be hidden, and if you would see the

[1:44:23] Voice 21: involvement of the property, what we did, you would say that we really tried to approach

[1:44:31] Voice 21: you know, a nice landscape, and I don't want to have, trust me, I'm the last guy in the world to have,

[1:44:37] Voice 21: or look at rocks and, you know, I will try to do as much as possible on what we can replant,

[1:44:46] Voice 21: because I need to replant, because I think plants are even better, or trees are even better than rocks,

[1:44:51] Voice 21: to hold everything together, but for the immediate start, we have to start somewhere so it holds everything together.

[1:44:58] Voice 21: And, you know, like I said, not all for restoring everything, you know, I got the break-up ready

[1:45:02] Voice 21: on the blackberry, all the groom is on my property now, even on the shoreline as well,

[1:45:07] Voice 21: I took care of everything.

[1:45:09] Voice 21: And so I really try to make it as natural as possible.

[1:45:15] Voice 21: It will take a few years, you know, it's not easy to buy blackberries, but

[1:45:20] Voice 21: I'll, yeah,

[1:45:21] Voice 21: Yeah, my parents tell me that too.

[1:45:25] Voice 21: We really try hard to make it as natural

[1:45:28] Voice 21: and also for us, you know,

[1:45:31] Voice 21: and I also, which has maybe nothing to do with it,

[1:45:34] Voice 21: I also want to make it safe for my grandkids and everything,

[1:45:37] Voice 21: you know, when they're still little,

[1:45:38] Voice 21: you know, to go and walk and explore the shore.

[1:45:44] Voice 21: I

[1:45:45] Voice 6: think that was, that answered my one question

[1:45:49] Voice 6: because reading through here,

[1:45:50] Voice 6: I wasn't sure if it was going to go right down,

[1:45:55] Voice 8: like

[1:45:56] Voice 6: basically onto the beach or onto the rocks.

[1:45:59] Voice 6: It seemed like, looking at it, that it could be built without having to disturb right at the beach.

[1:46:05] Voice 6: You're saying that it's going to be built a little bit farther back into the slumped area,

[1:46:13] Voice 6: as opposed to into the natural area that's still there to be maintained.

[1:46:16] Voice 6: that's okay okay

[1:46:18] Voice 16: what

[1:46:22] Voice 8: are you thinking for the questions so no

[1:46:27] Voice 12: i think i'm good i'm it's not a

[1:46:30] Voice 12: bad idea just as a homeowner when you're working on anywhere in the beach especially in the bay

[1:46:34] Voice 12: like that um just to reach out the first nation like the folks who have done that across the

[1:46:40] Voice 12: trust area i've actually had really positive experiences where you stay out and you know

[1:46:45] Voice 12: homeowners who have done that well in advance have generally had really positive

[1:46:49] Voice 12: it yeah

[1:46:50] Voice 8: i wrote that so

[1:46:53] Voice 6: on page 58 there's a motion under on local trust committee approved

[1:46:59] Voice 6: the insurance of the pl dvp 2025-0122 second is yes any

[1:47:06] Trustee Maude: other conversation follow question

[1:47:08] Trustee Maude: all in favor that carries thank you very much thank you thank

[1:47:11] Voice 10: you for thanks yeah thanks for

[1:47:13] Trustee Maude: taking the time yeah no absolutely go in your consultant very good detailed reports also

[1:47:19] Trustee Maude: So, money well spent.

[1:47:21] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:47:23] Voice 21: No, I'm all for that.

[1:47:25] Voice 21: You know, we all have to play by the rules.

[1:47:27] Voice 21: We have such a beautiful place here.

[1:47:29] Voice 21: We should keep it like that.

[1:47:31] Trustee Maude: Sometimes we see these reporters,

[1:47:33] Trustee Maude: they're kind of just the minimum.

[1:47:34] Trustee Maude: And this has a huge amount of detail.

[1:47:38] Trustee Maude: So it really helps the city making the process.

[1:47:41] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[1:47:41] Trustee Maude: Alright.

[1:47:43] Trustee Maude: So now we have 14.6

[1:47:46] Trustee Maude: PLTP 2025

[1:47:47] Trustee Maude: 3-5-0-0-8-3-Rollings.

[1:47:51] Trustee Maude: So back to the planet, Roger.

[1:47:54] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:47:55] Voice 1: Yes, this is a new temporary use permit application

[1:47:58] Voice 1: for a short-term vacation rental at 6622 Razor Point Road.

[1:48:04] Voice 1: The permit would allow the short-term vacation rental use

[1:48:09] Voice 1: to occur in the existing three-bedroom dwelling on the property.

[1:48:13] Voice 1: The property has been used as a vacation rental previously,

[1:48:17] Voice 1: according to VRBO, and to date there has been no bylaw enforcement complaints on the property.

[1:48:27] Voice 1: The permit conditions have been drafted based on the OCP guidelines, and the application is

[1:48:32] Voice 1: generally consistent with the OCP guidelines. However, the owners do not reside full-time on

[1:48:37] Voice 1: the property. I believe it's used several weeks a year as a vacation home by the owners and their

[1:48:44] Voice 1: family and friends. Following circulation of the draft permit and notice, staff received one

[1:48:51] Voice 1: letter in opposition with concerns over the noise that the vacation rental had caused in the past

[1:48:58] Voice 1: few years, as well as the location being in a mainly owner-occupied neighborhood.

[1:49:06] Voice 1: Staff considers that the cumulative impacts of the short-term vacation rental use from the

[1:49:13] Voice 1: The approved temporary use permit would be small given the neighborhood and island context.

[1:49:18] Voice 1: The permit provides conditions consistent with the OCP guidelines and would ensure that the use does not have an unreasonable impact on the area.

[1:49:28] Voice 1: And in the event that it does, there is the ability to enforce compliance with the temporary use permit.

[1:49:34] Voice 1: So based on all this, staff recommends that the North Pender Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Temporary Use Permit PLTUP-2025-0093 for a period of three years. Thank you.

[1:49:51] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Planner Belcher. And I see the applicant has come online, so he's participating on the Zoom call, so welcome, sir.

[1:49:58] Trustee Maude: trustees questions for the applicant or the planner

[1:50:04] Trustee Maude: thanks um where

[1:50:10] Voice 6: do you know where it sits with the problems and

[1:50:19] Voice 6: regulating stvrs as far as i know some islands have opted into

[1:50:28] Voice 6: to turning over STDR and I think it's applications

[1:50:35] Voice 6: and enforcement to the CRD or the province.

[1:50:41] Voice 6: We have opted not to at this time

[1:50:46] Voice 6: because I think we had just renewed quite a few of the TPs

[1:50:51] Voice 6: that were existing, but we had talked a little bit

[1:50:55] Voice 6: about how we need to at some point back out of um we'll

[1:51:05] Voice 12: consider yeah

[1:51:06] Voice 5: i'm in terms of the

[1:51:10] Voice 5: provincial regulations uh you're talking about the uh the opting in or out of uh provincial

[1:51:18] Voice 5: regulation that does not permit uh short-term vacation rentals in any units that are not

[1:51:26] Voice 5: not your primary residence and so that would then preclude all your STBOs that you're currently

[1:51:33] Voice 5: issuing for TUPs but it also would not allow, like it would also potentially people who

[1:51:43] Voice 5: are in their principal residence renting out their house and having that person then managing

[1:51:54] Voice 5: So your options are you can opt-in and you opt-in every March is when the decision comes.

[1:52:00] Voice 5: I think staff would recommend that you don't opt-in but that you could consider, and the ABC's recommendation is that you don't opt-in because it starts to create other limits that you might want to impose, but that you remove the ability to get STVR through Team P.

[1:52:20] Voice 5: and so you could either do that by not issuing them or you could actually like edit your

[1:52:26] Voice 5: guidelines to remove all of those provisions like Galeano did last term where they had a whole set

[1:52:32] Voice 5: of guidelines of how to permit temporary experiments and after undertaking a project

[1:52:39] Voice 5: they decided to say you can't get a TDP for STBOs so that's and your choices if we can

[1:52:49] Voice 6: if we continue to improve over three years but in a year opt into then

[1:52:58] Voice 5: then the provincial

[1:52:59] Voice 5: regulation would squash would squash all of those we others we our our legal perspective

[1:53:06] Voice 5: will not test it is that uh any tups would not be enforced wouldn't go along yes it wouldn't be

[1:53:15] Voice 6: wouldn't be valid because I think that we're approaching the end we're a year and a bit away

[1:53:29] Voice 6: a year and a bit away from the end of our term and that was you know there was very much a

[1:53:39] Voice 6: discussion at the beginning of our of our term um about how almost all of the tups that we

[1:53:47] Voice 6: allowed for stvrs would come back up in our term right it's three-year tup and a four-year term

[1:53:56] Voice 6: so we would be dealing with the renewals when they came back up and um knowing the direction

[1:54:08] Voice 6: that it seems that stuff like this is going, it feels irresponsible to be giving people the idea that they're going to have a TUP for the next three years in my own.

[1:54:24] Voice 12: I have a concern with this specific permit.

[1:54:28] Voice 12: This is on Razor Point water system. It's a well.

[1:54:33] Voice 12: It's a shared well. And it's a shared well that sits underneath the garden lawn drainage area, which is also well up at the top.

[1:54:43] Voice 12: So I'm not a fan of putting short-term vacation rental, putting non-resident or non-owner occupied building like people into the space where there could be water choice, which is a communal context.

[1:54:59] Voice 12: And we have this question, like there's an actual item in our checklist about Magic Lake

[1:55:06] Voice 12: and Razor Point.

[1:55:07] Voice 12: And I see, thank you very much, Kleiner, about your note here about it, sorry, it's

[1:55:12] Voice 12: in the track, which one it was now, but it's specifically about water usage and it, yeah,

[1:55:23] Voice 12: a, you know, we would reach for, no, here it is here, is water supply fee, community

[1:55:28] Voice 12: water system, Magic Lake, and a razor plane.

[1:55:31] Voice 12: So, if the property is serviced by a community water system, the draft permit must be sent

[1:55:36] Voice 12: to the water system for information.

[1:55:38] Voice 12: And we had, in one of the prior things, actually sent it over to Magic Lake to see that their

[1:55:43] Voice 12: interests were affected, basically.

[1:55:47] Voice 12: Because they're on the community water system, so they should have a say in what happens.

[1:55:53] Voice 12: I have more concerns in Razor Point

[1:55:55] Voice 12: because it not only affects Razor Point water users,

[1:55:58] Voice 12: it affects garden pond water users.

[1:56:00] Voice 13: No.

[1:56:02] Voice 12: No?

[1:56:02] Voice 13: Can I speak to that?

[1:56:03] Voice 12: Because I

[1:56:04] Voice 13: am a trustee

[1:56:04] Voice 13: on the Razor Point Improvement District Water Board.

[1:56:07] Voice 13: I have been for a

[1:56:08] Voice 13: number of years.

[1:56:09] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:56:11] Trustee Maude: Okay, Ms. Rollins, we'll go forward.

[1:56:16] Trustee Maude: Did

[1:56:17] Voice 13: you have some more

[1:56:17] Trustee Maude: or were you just saying that?

[1:56:19] Voice 13: I'm here to answer your questions, Chair,

[1:56:22] Voice 13: and other than to thank yourself

[1:56:24] Voice 13: yourself and the other trustees for your service um i can rebut to the letter if you want from

[1:56:30] Voice 13: mr harper but at this point i don't think that's necessary other than to say that we do vet all of

[1:56:37] Voice 13: our um renters and we do have two online on island contacts both of which work at that house so

[1:56:47] Voice 13: they're extremely familiar with the property and you know if something should arise we've got people

[1:56:53] Voice 13: people there and contrary well I shouldn't say contrary Mr Belcher did a good job but we are

[1:56:59] Voice 13: there four to seven days every month uh largely because of my role with the water water board

[1:57:09] Trustee Maude: so I'm

[1:57:14] Voice 12: not I don't know I I have the concerns that you need and I have but I don't know that

[1:57:21] Voice 12: But my understanding of the way that our SCDR rules are,

[1:57:25] Voice 12: that we have to be specific if we disagree with that.

[1:57:30] Voice 12: We can't generally say no.

[1:57:31] Voice 12: I'm not sure if that's true.

[1:57:34] Voice 15: Sorry, next question.

[1:57:35] Voice 12: We have to say, if we decide not to give this permit,

[1:57:39] Voice 12: we have to specify the reasoning.

[1:57:41] Trustee Maude: I think Regent Plank and her manager,

[1:57:43] Trustee Maude: her team has come out on the screen, so they've provided.

[1:57:45] Voice 12: Sure.

[1:57:46] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair.

[1:57:47] Voice 18: Trustee Morrison may be thinking of development permits.

[1:57:51] Voice 18: Temporary use permits are discretionary approval.

[1:57:57] Voice 18: It's up

[1:57:57] Voice 18: to the LTC whether or not you should, basically.

[1:58:05] Voice 6: I think we need to have a bigger discussion about STPRs in general.

[1:58:11] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:58:11] Voice 6: We need to set aside them before we start approving more STPRs.

[1:58:18] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:58:19] Voice 12: Yeah, I'm worried because I think things are changing on the STPR front,

[1:58:23] Voice 12: and I just don't want to give a lot of...

[1:58:25] Voice 12: so i have your shared concerns about like giving so yeah i would like to just um okay

[1:58:32] Voice 12: what is the can we table this and then have a broader conversation or what is it well

[1:58:39] Trustee Maude: i would suggest we can table the application and then schedule a special meeting electronic

[1:58:46] Trustee Maude: to discuss the whole tup process if you wanted it

[1:58:50] Voice 5: is a deliverable in your housing action time

[1:58:52] Voice 5: I want to review your STO again.

[1:58:55] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:58:58] Voice 5: So you could issue it for one year

[1:59:05] Voice 5: and allow that work to take place during that year,

[1:59:09] Voice 5: or you could just put it on hold.

[1:59:13] Voice 5: I'm not sure a special meeting where you just talk around

[1:59:16] Voice 5: what particular applications can get in place

[1:59:19] Voice 5: versus taking time with your APC to actually work through

[1:59:22] Voice 5: and your community, if issuing TUPs or STBRs is desirable, broadly,

[1:59:35] Voice 5: separating that from this one particular application, which there is some concerns with.

[1:59:40] Voice 6: I'm not, I guess, before even getting into the specifics of it,

[1:59:47] Voice 6: But the discussion I feel like we need to have is about the larger picture in general of what we're doing with STVRs.

[2:00:00] Voice 6: Because I also know I've had conversations with two other people who asked what the process would be, sort of had the conversation with them, saying, this is something that you may not work out for a long term solution for what people are thinking about doing.

[2:00:23] Voice 6: doing and they adamantly wanted to move forward with it anyhow so I know that this is I don't

[2:00:31] Voice 6: know if it's the next meeting that we have or in two meetings from now it's something that's

[2:00:35] Voice 6: going to continue to come up I think right now so

[2:00:41] Voice 12: so one of the things we could do to issue some

[2:00:44] Voice 12: clarity because like I do appreciate that there is a need for clarity in the community about what's

[2:00:49] Voice 12: happening here so one of the things that we could do considering as part of the housing program is

[2:00:54] Voice 12: we could just have a standing resolution that we're going to hold on to ups related to sdrs

[2:00:59] Voice 12: until the completion of the housing budget so that people aren't aren't you know doing this labor to

[2:01:06] Voice 12: put through permits that we're not really excited about doing because they might be counter to the

[2:01:12] Voice 12: current community need for housing for you know all of the all of the things so um i would like

[2:01:22] Voice 12: to have some clarity for communities i appreciate that it's a challenge for folks when they put

[2:01:26] Voice 12: forward a permit and then they're just like follow the process you know and it's like yeah well that's

[2:01:31] Voice 6: how i was thinking for planner belcher as well i think puts a lot of time and effort into something

[2:01:38] Voice 6: think that there is a set of guidelines that have to this point yeah been

[2:01:45] Voice 6: check all of these boxes

[2:01:47] Voice 6: and we're good but we're running into you know more and more communication on what are we doing

[2:02:00] Voice 6: about housing and i know that there was a little bit of a thing to push from the province when

[2:02:08] Voice 6: they were handing out money for for building and stuff like that you know yeah so

[2:02:18] Voice 12: maybe if

[2:02:19] Voice 12: you could have some advice from staff about like what is is it it's like what would help you if we

[2:02:26] Voice 12: if we're thinking that we want to wait until the completion of our housing project to issue any

[2:02:30] Voice 12: further to you please on stvrs is the standing resolution something you would need i think the

[2:02:35] Voice 7: standard resolution would

[2:02:37] Voice 5: be something your community would help to signal to your community

[2:02:41] Voice 5: that yeah uh if they submit

[2:02:44] Voice 5: an application they have the

[2:02:46] Voice 5: right to do so but you're just

[2:02:48] Voice 5: you're going to turn it down yeah

[2:02:49] Voice 15: so

[2:02:50] Voice 5: we have an application

[2:02:52] Trustee Maude: for us um plan of smiths has suggested

[2:02:56] Trustee Maude: maybe issuing it for one year until we figure out the policy going forward is that a comfort

[2:03:04] Trustee Maude: it or do you want to defer to another meeting or do you want to turn it down i think we're

[2:03:09] Trustee Maude: that those are our three options i think that are before us right now that

[2:03:12] Voice 6: addresses sort of my

[2:03:15] Voice 6: larger concern of you know i want to deal with this and give people as much of

[2:03:21] Voice 1: a heads up and

[2:03:22] Voice 6: and um yeah i don't want people to be surprised by this at the end but at some point we have to draw

[2:03:32] Voice 6: sort of a line in the segment say after this point we're not if we're going down that road so

[2:03:40] Voice 12: what i'm hearing is one year for this permit to keep it in uh yes or no for this time i guess

[2:03:49] Voice 12: that's what i'm wondering

[2:03:49] Voice 6: i'm just saying like yes so

[2:03:54] Voice 12: one year one

[2:03:55] Voice 6: year okay go go this route but

[2:03:58] Voice 6: start to communicate that we are looking at stbrs possibly going um so that so that future

[2:04:10] Voice 6: um applicants or um new new re-ups what is it renewals

[2:04:19] Voice 6: um know that they're that they're likely not going to and that gives them time to make some plans for

[2:04:29] Voice 6: I do know that some folks rely on the rental income from the STBRs to be able to maintain the property.

[2:04:38] Voice 6: It's outlined in the package here for this specific one.

[2:04:42] Voice 6: The idea of having it live on and the income being helpful in making that happen.

[2:04:53] Voice 6: But I think very much the way that we're going with them is that they would be gone within the next couple of years.

[2:05:04] Voice 12: Yeah. So what I would suggest then is if there are not specific issues that you have with this for a minute, I still have to think that through myself.

[2:05:15] Voice 6: Well, and that's what I'm saying. That David's solution solves what my immediate concern was. You heard some other concerns of this specific. Mine is broader to all STBRs.

[2:05:33] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:05:34] Voice 8: Yours

[2:05:34] Voice 6: is specific to this STBR, and so it fixes it for me and doesn't necessarily fix it for you.

[2:05:42] Trustee Maude: So, Trustee

[2:05:42] Trustee Maude: Marshall, do you want to sort of go through what your concerns are with this application for one-year D&P?

[2:05:48] Voice 12: Yeah, I guess I would like to hear what the applicant has to say related to the letter that we received.

[2:05:55] Voice 12: That would be helpful.

[2:05:57] Voice 12: Have you read the letter?

[2:05:59] Voice 13: Yes, I have.

[2:06:00] Voice 13: I have.

[2:06:01] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:06:01] Voice 13: So, here's a bit of a background for you.

[2:06:04] Voice 13: I was, the letter that Mr. Harper wrote, it was not previously mentioned any problems to me. His

[2:06:12] Voice 13: letter that was provided through Planner Belcher is the first I've heard of any problems whatsoever.

[2:06:19] Voice 13: So between November 1st, 2014 and July 15th, 2021, which is just after my parents moved to

[2:06:28] Voice 13: assisted living the house only had two tenants both of them were single ladies and both of them

[2:06:36] Voice 13: were care aides for a north pender island residence during that time nothing was reported

[2:06:42] Voice 13: with the surrounding neighbors during their occupancy august 25th 2021 mr harper did contact

[2:06:49] Voice 13: me regarding a garden light that was shining into his bedroom which is approximately 76.5 meters

[2:06:57] Voice 13: from the house through solid evergreens anyhow with the assistance of my neighbor we were able

[2:07:04] Voice 13: to turn the lights off that night and then we were able to find the offending luminaire

[2:07:10] Voice 13: and disable it pardon me disable it landscape lighting is now on a time clock with a remote

[2:07:18] Voice 13: access and turns off automatically at 11 p.m so that's basically you know we respect our

[2:07:26] Voice 13: neighbor's privacy and to that extent you know we screen every prospective uh client and and review

[2:07:33] Voice 13: the policies with them i do during our planning process and prior to writing the application

[2:07:40] Voice 13: which as i think you know got lost in in your system um i i spoke with both of my immediate

[2:07:49] Voice 13: neighbors which are virtually 17 meters on either side of me so they're they're very very close

[2:07:56] Voice 13: and Mr. Cook wrote a response from my letter basically stating that there was no objection

[2:08:07] Voice 13: to the plan and that he had well here I can quote right from it quote there have been no issues to

[2:08:15] Voice 13: date with its rental operation unquote while I was over at my AGM last weekend I took the

[2:08:24] Voice 13: the opportunity to talk to many other residents and they didn't even know that there were people

[2:08:28] Voice 13: there they said it's so quiet and it's down the waterfront um so i'm not sure where mr harper's

[2:08:36] Voice 13: information is coming from um as you know things transfer across the water easily could have been

[2:08:43] Voice 13: coming from the spit spit mortimer spit could have been coming from somewhere else um you know

[2:08:49] Voice 13: to be truthful with you that the noisiest people that are there are my kids because you know there's

[2:08:56] Voice 13: 14 of us and you got grandchildren from you know 3 to 13 years old uh you know

[2:09:02] Voice 11: that's honest

[2:09:07] Voice 12: um okay so i guess um one question for the planner too so just related to the water um

[2:09:15] Voice 12: Well, two things. One, I don't see, and maybe I'm just missing it somehow, but I don't see, like, usually we have a piece in the permit that says something about, like, monitoring water usage. Is that in here somewhere? And I'm just not seeing it.

[2:09:33] Voice 13: I responded to that question. And I also gave you a copy of what was then the most recent chemical report from MB Labs in Victoria or Sydney.

[2:09:46] Voice 12: yeah no i saw that it was more about water volume was my question oh

[2:09:49] Voice 13: volume yeah

[2:09:51] Voice 12: um

[2:09:52] Voice 13: i don't have the

[2:09:53] Voice 13: spreadsheet in front of you but i can tell you exactly how much that house consumes on a monthly

[2:09:59] Voice 13: basis um and we are well within the canadian national average of gallons per person yeah and

[2:10:08] Voice 12: sorry just to the planner like normally we have in the stdr um regulations we had something in

[2:10:15] Voice 12: there about just providing sort of water usage my understanding is that right

[2:10:21] Voice 12: because normally i thought we had in the actual permit something about you have to provide the

[2:10:30] Voice 12: sort of water usage annually or something like that am i wrong about that

[2:10:36] Trustee Maude: um

[2:10:38] Voice 1: i

[2:10:41] Voice 1: i'm not sure about that i don't think there was that requirement in the ocp

[2:10:50] Trustee Maude: So

[2:10:51] Voice 18: we for things like that we rely on what the applicant provides so if the applicant sometimes has records like sometimes we'll receive like hydro reports and so on. So we would attach those if they provide them.

[2:11:04] Voice 13: Yeah, as as a member of the RPID I have access to that and I can send you my personal information but I'm not prepared to send information of others on that district.

[2:11:13] Voice 13: There's

[2:11:15] Voice 7: no specific guideline that states that water records should be provided, I see.

[2:11:21] Voice 12: Yes, it's

[2:11:22] Voice 7: just that people have

[2:11:23] Voice 12: been doing that.

[2:11:25] Voice 7: You

[2:11:26] Voice 5: could ask for that, but the

[2:11:27] Voice 5: guidelines don't specifically state that.

[2:11:30] Voice 5: It does say that you must demonstrate adequate water supply and septic capacity for the duration of the proposed use.

[2:11:37] Voice 5: So, through that, you could seek more information if, for example, you were worried about the

[2:11:44] Voice 5: weather or whatever.

[2:11:45] Voice 5: I think you have done in some cases, and maybe

[2:11:47] Voice 5: that's what you're doubling over a little

[2:11:49] Voice 5: bit.

[2:11:49] Voice 12: Yeah, I think in sort of our guidelines, we've generally asked people for water usage, just

[2:11:54] Voice 12: to make sure that we're not seeing excessive spikes in water usage on TPs.

[2:11:59] Voice 12: It's really when you come back for a renewal that we can look at your past records to look

[2:12:03] Voice 12: for the next one.

[2:12:04] Voice 12: That's the issue.

[2:12:05] Voice 12: So, so I guess what I would like to do to like manage that issue is I would like to,

[2:12:13] Voice 12: I'm okay to issue this for one year, given what the other conversation we just had, we

[2:12:19] Voice 12: issue this for one year, I would like to ask that we, that the applicant provide the planner

[2:12:28] Voice 12: with like an annual water usage kind of graph or something to just so

[2:12:32] Voice 1: we have a document

[2:12:33] Voice 1: now on

[2:12:33] Voice 12: what the annual water usage is so we can see if they can get one when they come out um

[2:12:38] Voice 12: can we do that just as an amendment to the amendment

[2:12:42] Voice 5: so so you can amend the permit to

[2:12:46] Voice 5: make it more restrictive which in this case i think you are without re-advertising so you would

[2:12:51] Voice 5: just pass to add a condition that requires the applicant submit water records annually or

[2:13:03] Voice 16: yeah and

[2:13:04] Voice 5: then you would pass the permit as amended

[2:13:08] Voice 12: lisa did you catch that

[2:13:13] Voice 17: yes i

[2:13:13] Voice 12: did i know and then lisa the other amendment that we're suggesting is that it

[2:13:20] Voice 12: be for one year, not three years.

[2:13:25] Voice 5: Do we need a motion to amend?

[2:13:27] Voice 5: You need a motion to

[2:13:29] Voice 5: add that condition.

[2:13:30] Trustee Maude: But

[2:13:30] Voice 5: you don't need a motion

[2:13:32] Voice 5: to, and then you need

[2:13:33] Voice 5: a motion to approve

[2:13:36] Voice 5: the permit as amended

[2:13:37] Voice 5: for whatever time period

[2:13:39] Voice 5: you want.

[2:13:41] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:13:44] Voice 12: So Lisa, could you read me

[2:13:45] Voice 12: what you have in terms of the

[2:13:48] Voice 12: amendment we suggest?

[2:13:53] Voice 17: I have that the North Pender Island

[2:13:55] Voice 17: Island Local Trust Committee add a condition to Temporary Use Permit PLTUP-2025-0093 that

[2:14:04] Voice 17: requires the applicant submit water records annually.

[2:14:07] Voice 17: That's great.

[2:14:09] Voice 17: That sounds good.

[2:14:09] Trustee Maude: So, so moved.

[2:14:11] Voice 17: So moved.

[2:14:12] Trustee Maude: Seconded.

[2:14:12] Trustee Maude: Further discussion?

[2:14:14] Trustee Maude: All in question?

[2:14:14] Trustee Maude: All in favor?

[2:14:15] Trustee Maude: We have an amendment.

[2:14:17] Voice 14: Derek, do you want to get the next one?

[2:14:20] Voice 6: So that becomes that the North Berner Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of

[2:14:24] Voice 6: So temporary use permit PLTUP 2025-0093 as amended for a period of one year.

[2:14:33] Voice 7: Seconded.

[2:14:34] Voice 6: For the discussion, call the official opinion.

[2:14:37] Trustee Maude: Just so

[2:14:39] Voice 13: you all know that that annual report will be based on the RPID's fiscal year, right?

[2:14:48] Voice 13: When they take the measurements.

[2:14:50] Voice 13: We take them quarterly so we know what they are.

[2:14:53] Voice 13: Yeah,

[2:14:54] Voice 12: that's okay. That's whatever you have is good. Yeah.

[2:14:58] Voice 12: Um, and then I do think based on what you're saying, well, we, our power conversation needs to have a standing motion.

[2:15:05] Voice 12: That's not a good thing to do. Otherwise people are going to talk a lot. Okay. I just don't want people to put a bunch of work and time to get anywhere with.

[2:15:19] Voice 12: Okay. So that probably sounds like the North Kendra Island Local Trust Committee passed a standing resolution to hold or to...

[2:15:35] Voice 5: Not accept.

[2:15:37] Voice 5: You have to accept the application to do not consider the approval of temporary use permits for short-term vacation.

[2:15:45] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:15:46] Voice 5: So to

[2:15:47] Voice 12: not consider approval or not

[2:15:49] Voice 5: consider approving

[2:15:51] Voice 12: temporary use

[2:15:54] Voice 5: permits for short-term vacation rentals.

[2:15:57] Voice 5: Okay,

[2:15:58] Voice 12: do you have that Lisa?

[2:16:02] Voice 17: Yes, I have that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee passed a standing resolution to not consider approving temporary use permits for short-term vacation rentals.

[2:16:12] Voice 12: And then that would just ban until we revoke it.

[2:16:17] Voice 5: Okay, so you could be in consideration of work being undertaken on the housing and system

[2:16:25] Voice 5: affordability project, just to create a bit of context.

[2:16:28] Voice 5: I

[2:16:29] Voice 12: think that's probably helpful.

[2:16:32] Voice 5: Did you catch that, Lisa?

[2:16:34] Voice 17: Through the chair planner, could you repeat the part after

[2:16:37] Voice 17: in consideration of work being

[2:16:39] Voice 17: undertaken?

[2:16:39] Voice 17: in

[2:16:40] Voice 5: respect of the local trust committee's housing access and affordability project

[2:16:47] Voice 5: just to provide a bit of context around that resolution

[2:16:52] Voice 5: yeah can

[2:16:55] Voice 17: you read it back when

[2:16:56] Voice 12: you're ready sure

[2:16:58] Voice 17: that the north pender island local trust

[2:17:00] Voice 17: committee passed a standing resolution to not consider approving temporary use permits

[2:17:05] Voice 17: for short-term vacation rentals in respect of the local trust committee's housing

[2:17:10] Voice 17: the Housing Accessibility and Affordability Project.

[2:17:15] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:17:16] Voice 15: I'm so moved.

[2:17:18] Trustee Maude: For the discussion.

[2:17:21] Trustee Maude: That carries.

[2:17:22] Trustee Maude: And I would suggest whoever sees the next Pender posts,

[2:17:25] Trustee Maude: you should put that in there.

[2:17:29] Voice 6: Hopefully I'm getting it.

[2:17:32] Voice 6: And do we then need to make a time to discuss?

[2:17:39] Voice 6: No,

[2:17:40] Voice 12: I think it will be part of our housing conversations as we move forward.

[2:17:44] Voice 12: So I think

[2:17:45] Voice 12: it's already built into our housing project.

[2:17:47] Voice 12: We

[2:17:47] Voice 5: could start to look at how we create that time, whether it's in this meeting or if you have a CRM that talks about STVRs as one of the topic barriers and NRVs and some of the other meetings where future meetings can call in on some of these specific topics.

[2:18:04] Voice 5: That's on the committee plan.

[2:18:06] Voice 7: Perfect.

[2:18:07] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:18:08] Voice 7: We have a road forward.

[2:18:09] Voice 12: All right.

[2:18:10] Voice 12: Thank you for that.

[2:18:12] Voice 12: Thank you for the application.

[2:18:13] Voice 12: I'm sorry that we're so sketchy on our STVRs that there has been

[2:18:17] Voice 12: this challenge in the community.

[2:18:19] Voice 13: I understand.

[2:18:20] Voice 13: And thank you for your consideration and time.

[2:18:23] Voice 13: If there is no

[2:18:24] Voice 13: further business, I will lift you to yours.

[2:18:26] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:18:27] Trustee Maude: Thank

[2:18:27] Voice 13: you very much.

[2:18:28] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:18:29] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:18:30] Trustee Maude: All right.

[2:18:30] Trustee Maude: Right. So we move down to 16.1 page 139 after future projects. Anything highlighted from

[2:18:42] Trustee Maude: Planner Smith?

[2:18:42] Voice 5: I'd like to add that. Questions, Chair?

[2:18:45] Trustee Maude: You guys are pretty happy with that?

[2:18:46] Trustee Maude: Yes.

[2:18:46] Trustee Maude: That's a good thing. Application report, page 142.

[2:18:54] Voice 15: Nope.

[2:18:54] Voice 15: That's pretty simple.

[2:18:55] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:18:56] Voice 7: I'd like to add questions. It's been pretty quiet with new applications lately.

[2:19:00] Voice 7: so

[2:19:01] Trustee Maude: then just for information we have a trustee local expense report adopt policies and

[2:19:06] Trustee Maude: resolutions and there's a trust service report um page 152 for your interest

[2:19:15] Trustee Maude: um moving on to new business we have the 2024 2025 annual report which is stunningly boring

[2:19:25] Trustee Maude: yeah

[2:19:25] Voice 12: i know that's great though thank you for that to me we do have a decision on that though

[2:19:30] Trustee Maude: yeah just

[2:19:30] Voice 12: prove it that's fine so

[2:19:32] Trustee Maude: there's a motion on page 174 for that

[2:19:36] Voice 6: the north federal and local trust committee approves the attached text for inclusion in

[2:19:42] Voice 6: the 2024-2025 annual report for approval by trust council institutions the minister of housing

[2:19:48] Voice 6: in the next four years

[2:19:48] Voice 8: every second uh question all in favor is it this way it was a room to make

[2:19:54] Voice 8: two

[2:19:54] Trustee Maude: we have a update on six six zero one and raise your point road

[2:20:04] Trustee Maude: i checked it always so there's a group

[2:20:09] Trustee Maude: No,

[2:20:09] Voice 12: that's just a standing thing.

[2:20:13] Voice 12: Okay,

[2:20:14] Voice 5: so there is something.

[2:20:16] Voice 5: My understanding is Mr. Hussain

[2:20:17] Voice 5: is looking

[2:20:19] Voice 5: at us options or not.

[2:20:21] Voice 5: The

[2:20:22] Voice 11: last time I talked to him, he was looking at options

[2:20:24] Voice 11: but he hasn't done a lot.

[2:20:26] Trustee Maude: Pretty genuine.

[2:20:27] Voice 8: Alright, so

[2:20:30] Trustee Maude: then 7.3 review of standing resolution

[2:20:32] Trustee Maude: 2022, Dr. Zerzum 2

[2:20:35] Trustee Maude: is in

[2:20:36] Trustee Maude: horseback.

[2:20:39] Voice 12: I think we just need to keep it. Again,

[2:20:41] Trustee Maude: this is just a part of it.

[2:20:42] Voice 12: It's part of like until our housing project was sort at all.

[2:20:45] Voice 7: You did want to revisit your standard resolution at least looking at it to

[2:20:51] Voice 5: be fair, we could

[2:20:53] Voice 7: have included in the package, but we didn't, but it is not there.

[2:20:56] Voice 7: Right.

[2:20:57] Voice 7: I should give a separate solution.

[2:21:00] Voice 6: Just deal with that next time.

[2:21:02] Voice 6: Or not of the community information meeting.

[2:21:04] Voice 6: It was.

[2:21:05] Voice 6: It came up then.

[2:21:08] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:21:08] Voice 15: it came up during that.

[2:21:10] Voice 15: Sorry.

[2:21:11] Voice 15: I don't remember.

[2:21:13] Voice 6: It just was that we have a standing resolution.

[2:21:17] Voice 6: It was brought up that there are a couple of properties that have sort of.

[2:21:25] Voice 12: oh started new ones oh that

[2:21:27] Voice 6: used the view the way that it is that it's being or they're they're able

[2:21:34] Voice 6: to use it yeah to

[2:21:35] Voice 6: abuse it yeah um

[2:21:36] Voice 6: the way that it was written is

[2:21:39] Voice 12: there another way we can write it

[2:21:41] Voice 12: yeah like

[2:21:42] Voice 6: is that and i think that that was your you had said yeah could we could we have a look at

[2:21:48] Voice 6: this so do you guys want to request that report maybe

[2:21:53] Voice 12: i think it's really just and i don't know

[2:21:55] Voice 12: or maybe you can answer this but i don't know if there's any way for us to constrain

[2:22:02] Voice 12: like to timestamp basically and say like anything because we don't really know

[2:22:07] Voice 12: like which places are like you know like it was intended to not enforce on people who are already

[2:22:14] Voice 12: in violation for because of housing issues as opposed to like here's a free-for-all go like put

[2:22:19] Voice 12: a bunch of trailers on your property do you have any suggestions or do you want to come back to us

[2:22:23] Voice 12: with suggestions on what might be a way forward with that so

[2:22:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: through the chair um what um i'll

[2:22:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: give you an example of what gabriel is doing in june they're going to receive a report on

[2:22:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: certain number of bottle enforcement files where there's uh say travel trailers specifically

[2:22:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: specifically multiple travel trailers being used on properties so there is concern about you know

[2:22:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there's overuse it's being abused they're going to receive a report on those properties and then

[2:22:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they're going to determine which properties they want to proceed with enforcement on and also on

[2:23:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: gabriel what we've

[2:23:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: done in the past is rescind the basically the protection the deferred enforcement

[2:23:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: protection on those properties so that we can pursue enforcement on those properties

[2:23:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where there's just too many travel trailers. So you can do both. My plan right now is to

[2:23:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for the meeting in June or July have a review again of your bylaw enforcement policies.

[2:23:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I can include wording in that and we can also provide an in-camera report on unlawful dwellings

[2:23:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for north pender and then you can decide how to proceed from there

[2:23:41] Voice 15: that

[2:23:42] Voice 12: would be great do you need

[2:23:44] Voice 12: a motion for that

[2:23:44] Voice 15: uh

[2:23:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: i don't know that's okay that

[2:23:48] Voice 16: would be really helpful

[2:23:49] Voice 12: because that'll hopefully

[2:23:50] Voice 12: solve our challenge that came up in the community okay

[2:23:54] Trustee Maude: thank you

[2:23:55] Trustee Maude: okay so we have a room for it

[2:23:56] Trustee Maude: it works thank you thank

[2:23:58] Trustee Maude: you thank you remember that was about thank you

[2:24:00] Voice 5: could that room for

[2:24:02] Voice 5: the clarifying yeah yeah so

[2:24:05] Voice 12: what i'm hearing from the follow-up action list if i can paraphrase

[2:24:09] Voice 12: what i just heard was that bylaw enforcement will come back to us at our next meeting

[2:24:16] Voice 12: with a list of bylaw enforcement cases related to travel trailers and we will make a decision

[2:24:21] Voice 12: about how to apply in Canada, correct?

[2:24:25] Voice 7: Correct.

[2:24:27] Voice 12: Thank

[2:24:27] Voice 7: you so much.

[2:24:28] Voice 8: No,

[2:24:28] Voice 12: no, you're totally good.

[2:24:29] Voice 12: You're multitasking.

[2:24:30] Voice 8: That's a good thing.

[2:24:31] Voice 8: It's a lot of standard thought put in here.

[2:24:35] Voice 8: All right.

[2:24:36] Trustee Maude: That's good.

[2:24:36] Trustee Maude: That gives us clarity.

[2:24:38] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:24:38] Trustee Maude: So upcoming meetings.

[2:24:39] Trustee Maude: Next we're going to make the schedule for July 25th, 2025.

[2:24:43] Trustee Maude: Peter takes over the church.

[2:24:45] Trustee Maude: So we can sit with a town hall if anybody has any questions or concerns.

[2:24:48] Trustee Maude: We have a hand in the air.

[2:24:49] Trustee Maude: Go ahead, sir.

[2:24:51] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:24:52] Voice 20: My name is Gary. First off, observing the team, your sense of management, your goal

[2:25:01] Voice 20: base, how you handle things. Personally, I'm well done. Okay, so number two,

[2:25:11] Voice 20: trustee Aaron Gamble. So you made a statement on your personal relationship with

[2:25:16] Voice 20: with Raymond at a previous town hall.

[2:25:19] Voice 20: And my point is, I think it'll change the world.

[2:25:22] Voice 20: It's important for you to be able to state

[2:25:25] Voice 20: that you're not overly connected to him.

[2:25:29] Voice 20: So sharing a beer and watching the game

[2:25:31] Voice 20: is an honor to me.

[2:25:33] Voice 20: And I apologize if that came out

[2:25:35] Voice 20: as being something insignificant.

[2:25:37] Voice 20: But if he brought you over a truckload of gravel

[2:25:40] Voice 20: for a driveway or something, that's different.

[2:25:43] Voice 20: And I hope, just give me the opportunity to say, no, I don't know if we can do that or not. I'm not asking if we can do that or not today.

[2:25:54] Voice 6: You had actually said you were going to send in a Freedom of Information Act earlier.

[2:26:01] Voice 6: Yes. Right. Which I've waited for.

[2:26:07] Voice 6: In the meeting where I said that we had watched a game, it was in public.

[2:26:14] Voice 6: I reiterated that it was in public, but I'm very, very aware of my relationships on Pender

[2:26:29] Voice 6: because I've been here and in roles where I have relationships with a ton of people

[2:26:37] Voice 6: that live here.

[2:26:37] Voice 6: And so any one of those could even my daughters graduated, you know, so it is very, it's very, yeah, it's very common that I'm going to be in a position and the point was more that that we to encourage people that we are accessible, but that people in the community are also accessible to sit down and have a talk with.

[2:27:08] Voice 6: to try to resolve some of the issues that we're seeing in the community go go and have a beer

[2:27:15] Voice 6: with you know go and have a beer with that person and watch the game and and sort of talk out the

[2:27:21] Voice 6: concerns that you've got rather than it always getting aired in this public space and so that

[2:27:27] Voice 6: was that was more what i was going for when i shared uh that that we had that we'd sat down

[2:27:34] Voice 6: and talked um in the openness of what it was so and

[2:27:39] Voice 20: i appreciate it because to me that's part of

[2:27:41] Voice 20: why i work under exactly why am i happy okay so having you

[2:27:46] Voice 20: said that i'm going to withdraw

[2:27:54] Voice 15: but

[2:27:55] Voice 6: also if my phone number is a public record and if at any point you

[2:28:03] Voice 6: If you want to directly ask me a question like that, like honestly, feel free.

[2:28:09] Voice 20: Well, I'll talk to three guys.

[2:28:12] Voice 20: Without a beer!

[2:28:14] Voice 20: Hopefully you guys get 15 minutes talking to Greg directly.

[2:28:17] Voice 16: Because we're neighbors.

[2:28:19] Voice 20: Absolutely.

[2:28:20] Voice 20: Okay, item three.

[2:28:22] Voice 20: The particulate matter that is affecting honey.

[2:28:26] Voice 20: So we have a second honey producer in that area.

[2:28:30] Voice 20: And this is now the B-still, so Braylon, they operate several colonies to collect honey

[2:28:41] Voice 20: and that's the basis of their gym.

[2:28:42] Voice 20: That's a unique part of that.

[2:28:45] Voice 20: So talking to Braylon, he can no longer bring his tandems up Corbett Road.

[2:28:50] Voice 20: There's an issue with the stop sign safety that Highways is not going to change.

[2:28:54] Voice 20: So there is no attachment traffic loaded on Corbett Road anymore, which means it's all on Port Washington Road going both ways.

[2:29:03] Voice 20: So I'm seeing more and more of that.

[2:29:06] Voice 20: So that's just

[2:29:08] Voice 6: the way it is.

[2:29:08] Voice 6: I think some of that might have been actually from about a year ago.

[2:29:15] Voice 6: there was in in trying to address some of the community concern with the traffic

[2:29:23] Voice 6: um it was requested by people in the community that braden not continue to run them run the

[2:29:31] Voice 6: route through by the library with his trucks and back to his yard and then he run the opposite way

[2:29:38] Voice 6: and that and there is an issue with the stop sign at the top of the hill which really should be

[2:29:45] Voice 6: flipped i know for

[2:29:47] Voice 6: everybody that lives on the island i think it should be on the on the

[2:29:52] Voice 6: port watch side that's the extension down into hope bay but it's but it's not um

[2:30:00] Voice 6: uh so that was right yeah that was the re that was the rerouting discussion that we had had

[2:30:08] Voice 6: and i and probably you know highways doesn't really consider pender to be an entity at all

[2:30:18] Voice 6: other than the two guys that work for highways here i

[2:30:21] Voice 12: apologize but i'm gonna be like three

[2:30:23] Voice 12: hours later home if i don't leave in the next like two minutes that's fine

[2:30:27] Voice 12: i'm so sorry

[2:30:30] Voice 20: So to them, it's not an issue, but to my age, it's not an issue.

[2:30:35] Voice 20: And to so many people on the island, also consider it.

[2:30:38] Voice 20: Five years in the market, my clients, how long have I lived here?

[2:30:42] Voice 20: The last time I did the damage to my house, there was foundation settling,

[2:30:46] Voice 20: and to the point I cannot open my front door.

[2:30:49] Voice 20: That's a fire safety issue.

[2:30:51] Voice 20: So up to this point, I accept the damages, and I will repair them at my expense.

[2:30:56] Voice 20: so you have no liability up to this point i just wanted to clarify that but we have to do something

[2:31:02] Voice 20: so it doesn't continue because it's comparable to an earthquake of level four every time that

[2:31:07] Voice 20: tangent goes by like the whole house shakes so we have to do something okay

[2:31:14] Voice 15: i

[2:31:14] Voice 19: said some correspondence to you guys um yesterday regarding a couple of things that

[2:31:25] Voice 19: you're discussing a bit of an update of where I'm kind of at with the application some of the stuff

[2:31:30] Voice 19: included my environmental impact study I'm assuming that's going to capture something

[2:31:36] Voice 19: about your bees or your questions around your bees I also spoke to some of the projects that

[2:31:41] Voice 19: happened on Port Washington Road recently and they increased activity and that's all I guess

[2:31:46] Voice 19: will be put in a public record that goes although that stuff I included so and I'm happy to sit and

[2:31:52] Voice 19: chat with you about that and uh those are the details if you'd like um yeah i just want to

[2:31:57] Voice 19: kind of bring up the attention and i'm also very

[2:31:59] Voice 19: curious of yeah the definitions not in any

[2:32:02] Voice 19: particular matter but of what is a contractor's yard and what is a home-based business i'd like

[2:32:08] Voice 19: to understand that better just for my own knowledge yeah anyways thank

[2:32:12] Voice 12: you thank you

[2:32:22] Voice 6: book but within applications i was absolutely sure should i not and then it was like oh i gotta go

[2:32:33] Voice 6: thank you