Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 3, 2025

[0:00:06] Voice 6: okay good afternoon everyone call this a regular meeting of the galliano island local trust

[0:00:14] Voice 6: committee to order um i missed i'll miss the part about live streaming because we're not

[0:00:21] Voice 6: going to live stream from here but we are doing a recording of the meeting and it'll be posted

[0:00:25] Voice 6: on the island trust website i want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging we're fortunate

[0:00:30] Voice 6: to be able to gather in the territory of Coast Salish peoples and in particular the

[0:00:36] Voice 6: Penelican tribe, the stewards of these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:00:41] Voice 6: Land and territory acknowledgement are important today because colonialism is

[0:00:46] Voice 6: not just a historical problem, it's ongoing and present day. First Nations

[0:00:51] Voice 6: title, although recognized in Canadian law, has yet to significantly shape First

[0:00:56] Voice 6: Nations Canadian relationships in many areas and that includes all of the

[0:01:00] Voice 6: government uh with that i will start um the name my name is uh tim peterson i am elected

[0:01:12] Voice 6: on luskete island and i'm the chair of the galliano island local trust committee joining

[0:01:18] Voice 6: me today are local trustees lisa crowe ben maverly and together we comprise the galliano

[0:01:26] Voice 6: trust committee and joining us today also is uh regional planning manager robert kajima

[0:01:31] Voice 6: in for our regular platter thank you for joining us today yeah we have a agenda

[0:01:39] Voice 6: before us and I'll just look to trustees to see if there's any amendments to the

[0:01:43] Voice 6: agenda today thanks I'll take my general consent will adopt the agenda and first

[0:01:50] Voice 6: off trustee reports who'd like to go first

[0:01:53] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you I'd like to begin by

[0:01:59] Trustee Gauvreau: I am sharing a highlight from last month,

[0:02:01] Trustee Gauvreau: the reopening of the historic Japanese Charcoal Pit Kiln

[0:02:06] Trustee Gauvreau: at Blocks Park.

[0:02:08] Trustee Gauvreau: It was a really moving event.

[0:02:10] Trustee Gauvreau: It brought together over 80 people,

[0:02:12] Trustee Gauvreau: and I had the privilege of welcoming

[0:02:15] Trustee Gauvreau: some very special guests, dignitaries from BC and Japan,

[0:02:21] Trustee Gauvreau: helping us celebrate.

[0:02:24] Trustee Gauvreau: Was the Japanese Deputy Consulate General,

[0:02:27] Trustee Gauvreau: General, Satomi Ogagaki, BC's Deputy Premier and Attorney General, Nikki Sharma. We also

[0:02:38] Trustee Gauvreau: had Suzanne Tabata from the Japanese Legacy Society, and the day started off with a beautiful

[0:02:45] Trustee Gauvreau: luncheon hosted by the Galliano Club. Each thanks to Alison Colwell for organizing it

[0:02:50] Trustee Gauvreau: all. We heard from many voices, including Steve Nenton, who spent decades uncovering

[0:02:56] Trustee Gauvreau: and researching Galeano's five historic charcoal kilns.

[0:03:00] Trustee Gauvreau: We also heard from Jim Miyaka, Michael Carruthers, who built the new trail to the kiln,

[0:03:06] Trustee Gauvreau: and Diane Bergenau, who managed the restoration project on behalf of the Galeano Club.

[0:03:12] Trustee Gauvreau: This restoration project was made possible by the Japanese Legacy Society

[0:03:16] Trustee Gauvreau: and was supported by many Galeano volunteers.

[0:03:20] Trustee Gauvreau: I don't know what else is new.

[0:03:22] Trustee Gauvreau: we recently received an updated housing needs report for the southern gulf islands the

[0:03:29] Trustee Gauvreau: short version the data is very clear galeano needs approximately 426 new housing units

[0:03:38] Trustee Gauvreau: over the next 20 years just to meet the demand while this does include regional averages

[0:03:45] Trustee Gauvreau: it confirms what we already know is that that renters face the greatest

[0:03:50] Trustee Gauvreau: housing pressure in the Gulf Islands. This report will be an important piece of information as we

[0:03:56] Trustee Gauvreau: begin our official community plan review. Finally, a reminder that the Evacuation Preparedness Forum

[0:04:05] Trustee Gauvreau: is happening this Saturday, June 27th, or sorry, June 7th, from 2.30 to 4.30 at the Lyons Hall.

[0:04:13] Trustee Gauvreau: It's a great opportunity to learn about the different types of evacuations,

[0:04:17] Trustee Gauvreau: what to do in an emergency, how the Galeano Reception Centre will work.

[0:04:23] Trustee Gauvreau: Speakers include the Galeano Fire and Rescue, RCMP, CRD, Protective Services,

[0:04:30] Trustee Gauvreau: and local emergency coordinators.

[0:04:33] Trustee Gauvreau: I encourage everyone to attend and bring your questions.

[0:04:36] Trustee Gauvreau: They'll walk you through what happens during evacuation,

[0:04:40] Trustee Gauvreau: how to prepare, and what to expect from support services.

[0:04:43] Trustee Gauvreau: Given the current wildfire situation, this is very timely.

[0:04:48] Trustee Gauvreau: As of this morning, there's 375 active wildfires burning across British Columbia.

[0:04:55] Trustee Gauvreau: We're not yet at peak fire season, but this early activity is a concern.

[0:05:02] Trustee Gauvreau: From this morning that I read, wildfires in Canada have already burned about half of what was average

[0:05:09] Trustee Gauvreau: before the major fire seasons we saw in 2023 and 2024.

[0:05:13] Trustee Gauvreau: for that translates to more than 1.1 million hectares that are black and so far this year

[0:05:22] Trustee Gauvreau: that's a good reminder that preparation is not panic it's caring for one another i encourage

[0:05:30] Trustee Gauvreau: everyone to attend the session offered this weekend and bring your neighbor thanks that's all

[0:05:39] Voice 13: Thanks Lisa. Just a couple of notes this week or this month. What you're going to see on starting

[0:05:46] Voice 13: June the 10th down in Montague there's going to be construction started on the new parking at

[0:05:50] Voice 13: Montague. All of the vehicles down there have been posted. We've got actually a house moving in I

[0:05:57] Voice 13: think on the 10th and so that'll sort of help with clearing up cars and that but expect construction

[0:06:03] Voice 13: to be down there for about two weeks.

[0:06:05] Voice 13: This is the initiative with the CRV

[0:06:07] Voice 13: and to create more parking at one of you

[0:06:10] Voice 13: and alleviate some of the issues down there.

[0:06:12] Voice 13: So looking forward to that.

[0:06:14] Voice 13: And just a second thing,

[0:06:15] Voice 13: sort of touching on a little bit of what Lisa was talking

[0:06:18] Voice 13: about the emergency evacuation and that,

[0:06:21] Voice 13: my meeting with the fire chief at the south end,

[0:06:27] Voice 13: he referred to emergency access map,

[0:06:32] Voice 13: which will be coming out.

[0:06:33] Voice 13: it's an initiative between the fire departments and the CRD to identify

[0:06:39] Voice 13: where emergency accesses would be the most useful on the island and they will

[0:06:45] Voice 13: be going out and working with the landowners to try and get permission to

[0:06:49] Voice 13: to put these emergency accesses in place I think this is the right way to do it I

[0:06:58] Voice 13: think this will be a valuable tool for the trust you know when we get

[0:07:02] Voice 13: applications coming to us but i think this is the way it should be done it should be done between

[0:07:06] Voice 13: the crd and the landowners the crd will be the ones that hold all of the liability during emergency

[0:07:13] Voice 13: evacuations and certainly working with the landowners one-on-one working with the fire

[0:07:17] Voice 13: departments is the way to make this happen so looking for for that being rolled out and i've

[0:07:23] Voice 13: invited the chief to do a presentation at our next trust meeting um if everything is completed but

[0:07:28] Voice 13: So looking forward to that.

[0:07:30] Voice 13: Because like I say, this will be a valuable tool for us going forward.

[0:07:33] Voice 13: And that's it for me.

[0:07:39] Voice 6: Are you just kidding?

[0:07:42] Voice 6: A note from staff wondering when we're going to connect is they were just letting them help.

[0:07:48] Voice 6: It's not going to work.

[0:07:50] Voice 6: We know that, but I guess we didn't get the message down the pipe there.

[0:07:57] Voice 6: So next is the chair's report.

[0:08:04] Voice 6: so gearing up for Trust Council June 17th to 19th over on Saltspring we'll have our usual committee

[0:08:12] Voice 6: reports the result of the annual financial audit and in addition the local trust committee meeting

[0:08:19] Voice 6: procedures bylaw number 197 will be considered for adoption that's a bylaw that will replace

[0:08:26] Voice 6: a local meeting procedures bylaw and will come into place once it is adopted

[0:08:34] Voice 6: by Trust Council. Trust Programs Committee has substantially completed

[0:08:41] Voice 6: their work on the draft for the new policy statement which is going to be

[0:08:46] Voice 6: considered by Trust Council for first reading towards the end of June before

[0:08:50] Voice 6: going up to referrals and public input and uh let's see what else the committee of the whole

[0:08:58] Voice 6: is going to meet friday continuing discussion on uh interpretation of section 3 also known as

[0:09:03] Voice 6: object or mandated acts trust act and monday the 16th um sale first nation is hosting trust council

[0:09:16] Voice 6: for a feast and I think that's all I was going to report

[0:09:21] Voice 6: out on today I have a

[0:09:23] Voice 13: question for you yes will the draft of the trust policy statement be available

[0:09:28] Voice 13: for Trust Council on the Trust Council meeting on Salt Spring I think that

[0:09:34] Voice 13: starts on the 17th I that's

[0:09:43] Voice 6: a good question I actually spent several hours

[0:09:46] Voice 6: going over the executive committee uh agenda for tomorrow last night but um and i know we're

[0:09:54] Voice 6: dropping that there's a lot in there and yeah i

[0:09:56] Voice 6: can't remember if we have that draft ready

[0:09:58] Voice 6: for this or whether it's going to come out afterwards i know staff um it may be afterwards

[0:10:07] Voice 6: because and i'm just thinking out loud here because i know uh trust programs committee just

[0:10:11] Voice 6: last week. I think substantially finished with the edits and then staff have to

[0:10:17] Voice 6: actually put it together in a readable form. I'll check on the break and get

[0:10:25] Voice 6: back to you. Okay, so Director Brent's not with us today. We have a First Nations

[0:10:36] Voice 13: report space. I got a call from Ken this morning and they sent in regrets.

[0:10:41] Voice 13: They were going to try and rake it over and then keep track, but they just didn't schedule it.

[0:10:46] Voice 13: Fair enough.

[0:10:47] Voice 6: Fair enough.

[0:10:48] Voice 6: We appreciate the communication of your regrets.

[0:10:53] Voice 6: Okay, so next up we have the town hall and questions section.

[0:10:59] Voice 6: And I assume everybody knows the rules here.

[0:11:05] Voice 6: Use respectful language.

[0:11:06] Voice 6: Speak to the issues, not individuals.

[0:11:09] Voice 6: Ideally, things on our agenda.

[0:11:10] Voice 6: And secondarily, things on the jurisdiction of the Local Trust Committee.

[0:11:16] Voice 6: I'll let for a show of hands.

[0:11:23] Voice 6: Start up.

[0:11:26] Voice 6: I'm going to start up here.

[0:11:29] Voice 6: Art, I'm just going to start up with you and then move back.

[0:11:32] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:11:38] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:11:39] Voice 5: Welcome back to the North End.

[0:11:41] Voice 5: It's good to have people and have a trust meeting in our neighborhood for a couple of times a year.

[0:11:53] Voice 5: I wanted to ask, I wanted to comment and ask Trustee Govro about your report in the active page.

[0:12:03] Voice 5: I was happy to see that you referred to the minister's letter to the trust counsel, the

[0:12:13] Voice 5: trust executive, in your report, but I'm curious why you omitted from that, from your report,

[0:12:23] Voice 5: what I consider to be the key section of Minister Cowan's letter, which was to point out that

[0:12:33] Voice 5: I'll just read it. In the third paragraph is the nub of the letter.

[0:12:40] Voice 5: Land use planning to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment is the core responsibility of the Islands Trust.

[0:12:50] Voice 5: This reflects the ecological mandate of the trust, the toolkit deliberately supplied by government,

[0:12:56] Voice 5: and that island communities have a role to play in local environmental stewardship.

[0:13:01] Voice 5: It is my expectation that the Trust Council recognizes that this requires careful deliberation

[0:13:07] Voice 5: and consideration of perspectives to manage expectations of growth, development and local

[0:13:13] Voice 5: economies without exceeding the carrying capacity of local ecosystems and preserving unspoiled

[0:13:20] Voice 5: natural amenities.

[0:13:21] Voice 5: What the Minister is actually doing here is reminding the Trust Council, who have been

[0:13:28] Voice 5: and kind of tinkering around with what

[0:13:32] Voice 5: their responsibilities are, I believe,

[0:13:35] Voice 5: I submit in the last couple of years,

[0:13:37] Voice 5: trying to expand the mandate beyond preserve and protect

[0:13:42] Voice 5: the natural amenities and natural environment

[0:13:44] Voice 5: of the trust area to include and try

[0:13:49] Voice 5: to expand the natural amenities to mean things

[0:13:52] Voice 5: that every other community has, like community centers,

[0:13:57] Voice 5: tourist accommodation, that kind of thing, that initiative that the Trust Council took.

[0:14:04] Voice 5: And the Minister is here reminding you that no, that is not in your mandate.

[0:14:09] Voice 5: Your mandate is first and foremost environmental protection of unique natural environment of the Trust area.

[0:14:18] Voice 5: area. He basically took on what you've been trying to do and said, no, that is not correct.

[0:14:26] Voice 5: Here's your mandate. Go do it. We're not going to have a review of this because it's clear

[0:14:31] Voice 5: what your responsibilities are. And I'm curious why you left that out of your report, because

[0:14:38] Voice 5: I think it's kind of the key part

[0:14:40] Trustee Gauvreau: of this, right?

[0:14:41] Trustee Gauvreau: Well, short answer, there was other things I wanted to report on as well. I mean, it

[0:14:48] Trustee Gauvreau: and it was quite lengthy, it was only about 340 words I think I get in that report.

[0:14:52] Trustee Gauvreau: So I didn't want to take the whole thing up with that.

[0:14:54] Trustee Gauvreau: But I think the important thing about that letter, the takeaway, is the opportunities that it holds.

[0:15:01] Trustee Gauvreau: And that's what I focused on in my report.

[0:15:04] Trustee Gauvreau: It's an opportunity for collaboration, it's an opportunity for conversations, it's a response, it's a process.

[0:15:10] Trustee Gauvreau: It seems that that letter's caused a lot of polarization, right, and I think we should work through that.

[0:15:18] Trustee Gauvreau: it's it's not a it's not a conversation we're talking about the same thing preserving the

[0:15:26] Trustee Gauvreau: environment right we believe in that if you want to get into the trustees particular they're on

[0:15:32] Trustee Gauvreau: the lease of the mandate that's another conversation and it doesn't belong in the report

[0:15:38] Trustee Gauvreau: the answer i

[0:15:40] Voice 14: would

[0:15:42] Voice 6: just add that having perused uh minister kalen's uh response at a number of

[0:15:48] Voice 6: times at length um i find it very interesting because uh i think it's well known and in fact

[0:15:57] Voice 6: with the discussions that i've been party to with ministry staff specifically about amenities

[0:16:05] Voice 6: we're advised that definitions of amenities haven't been provided from the province

[0:16:14] Voice 6: specifically because they feel that the intent was to leave that interpretation to Trust

[0:16:21] Voice 6: Council.

[0:16:23] Voice 6: Now when Trust Council and various Trust Councils of course over history have had various interpretations

[0:16:30] Voice 6: of the object and things like amenities, the tenures that I've been a trustee have been

[0:16:36] Voice 6: topic of conversation and some as leaning more towards as you say

[0:16:43] Voice 6: specifically environmental other other trustees feel that it's about community

[0:16:48] Voice 6: values and such things are perhaps more intangible some people think it's things

[0:16:54] Voice 6: like buildings it's an ongoing discussion and my my take from

[0:17:00] Voice 6: conversations with ministry staff is that that those interpretations are

[0:17:06] Voice 6: expected to be ongoing and changing as as trust council changes uh the other interesting thing

[0:17:11] Voice 6: i find about minister calon's assertions is um when he talks about using the tools available

[0:17:18] Voice 6: and and doing public outreach and stuff i think anyone that's deeply familiar with a working to

[0:17:25] Voice 6: the islands trust and recognizing that we have over 30 first nations that we're expected to be

[0:17:31] Voice 6: engaging with and building relationships with. And I'm just going to focus on that one issue

[0:17:39] Voice 6: right now. There's no municipality or local government in British Columbia that is expected

[0:17:45] Voice 6: to be building relationships with such a wide number of First Nations. And the provincial grant

[0:17:51] Voice 6: to Islands Trust remains the same as it has for, help me out, Robert, 25 years,

[0:17:58] Voice 6: an exceedingly long time, under $200,000.

[0:18:02] Voice 6: The province did give a whopping $150,000, I think, two years ago,

[0:18:08] Voice 6: which they expected to last for five years of First Nations engagement,

[0:18:14] Voice 6: which is extremely unrealistic.

[0:18:18] Voice 6: If we look at the capacity issues of the Islands Trust and the First Nations themselves,

[0:18:23] Voice 6: then multiply that by at least 30.

[0:18:26] Voice 6: I think the minister's take is skimming over the reality of how effective the tools

[0:18:35] Voice 6: being provided by the province, just in that area alone of expectations for how distressed

[0:18:42] Voice 6: is.

[0:18:42] Voice 6: So, while I take the minister's point clearly stating that there will be no review by the

[0:18:51] Voice 6: the province before the next local elections. I think also the minister is, what's a nice

[0:19:03] Voice 6: way to put it, not clearly recognizing the challenges that Islands Trust as an organization

[0:19:10] Voice 6: faces when looking at certain aspects of the work we are expected by the province to do.

[0:19:17] Voice 6: do, and First Nations being a very large, very important, and very resource-intensive

[0:19:27] Voice 6: aspect of that if we're going to do it in any meaningful way.

[0:19:30] Voice 6: So I know I'm not the only one that takes a certain amount of umbrage with the ministers.

[0:19:37] Voice 6: Some of the ministers don't, not all of it, but parts of it I think are fantasyland.

[0:19:44] Voice 13: I'll expand on that a little bit. If the minister is going to make statements like that, bring the chequebook to the Islands Trust.

[0:19:53] Voice 10: I

[0:19:54] Voice 13: have no time for politicians who make grandiose statements and then don't back them up with financial assistance in the areas that he expects the Islands Trust to expand on.

[0:20:07] Voice 13: so it's pretty simple for me bring the checkbook or you know it's done is done

[0:20:17] Voice 13: the province has stepped once again stepped away from the picture all right

[0:20:23] Voice 6: all right I'll come back to you I'm gonna go to Stephen in the back there

[0:20:27] Voice 6: thank you chair Peterson

[0:20:28] Voice 4: a couple of things firstly the Harris temporary use

[0:20:35] Voice 4: permit. I'd suggest that perhaps to alleviate some concerns that this TUC is somehow masking

[0:20:45] Voice 4: a commercial profit-driven market rental operation, perhaps the applicant's stated description

[0:20:54] Voice 4: description, Gifts Affordable Housing, could somehow be incorporated into the TUP itself.

[0:21:03] Voice 4: Even without that wording, that description, I would urge the Trust Committee to approve

[0:21:13] Voice 4: the application.

[0:21:15] Voice 4: And secondly, Rockefeller, the community information meeting and first reading of by-law 291, I would urge approval and perhaps it can be clarified when we do get to the community information meeting.

[0:21:38] Voice 4: But I'm somewhat confused about the status or the possibility of a CRD statutory right of way for emergency access to Lake Six Ellison with Ellis Row.

[0:21:52] Voice 4: I thought that was dead. It's come back, hasn't it?

[0:21:59] Voice 7: Yes, that's one of the, potentially, one of the conditions of adoption is to secure by statutory right-of-way

[0:22:09] Voice 7: emergency access to 6,000 of Dallas Road, I think it is, and subject to agreement by CRD, our department, and of course the owners as well.

[0:22:22] Voice 4: So approval would not be contingent upon a statutory right-of-way agreement being in place?

[0:22:29] Voice 7: Well, final adoption, we're recommending the final adoption not proceed until the statutory right-of-way is in place, or ready to be registered, or the parties report not to say that it's not feasible, or desirable. The LTC will make the final decision.

[0:22:48] Voice 6: Okay, and next is you.

[0:22:50] Voice 6: Hi

[0:22:50] Voice 3: there, my name is Lori. Good afternoon everyone and I just wanted to start by thanking the Islands Trust for the time that they put into what they do.

[0:23:00] Voice 3: So thank you very much. I decided I would like to speak to the Harris application and I want to focus that on one, I'd say glaring safety concern to me

[0:23:16] Voice 3: and it comes as a genuine, like genuinely, out of concern for the whole island.

[0:23:23] Voice 3: It's a fact that I have seen emergency services vehicles

[0:23:29] Voice 3: park on an earlier pass road at least three times in the recent history

[0:23:36] Voice 3: and walk up to provide their services.

[0:23:41] Voice 3: I haven't overly analyzed that or researched it

[0:23:44] Voice 3: because that's not something that I would know the answers to.

[0:23:49] Voice 3: But I've seen this for my own eyes, I am a neighbouring property, maybe I would guess is it possibly due to the grade and length of that film school road, its shape, or the fact that it does degrade quite quickly with rain.

[0:24:06] Voice 3: I don't know and that's not my job to decide.

[0:24:09] Voice 3: But I wanted to put it up there that, and kind of piggybacking on what the members have said today about protecting galleons, special cases, and fire safety.

[0:24:26] Voice 3: I actually lose sleep over this at night quite often, and so I'm not wanting to take any kind of a political tilt on this,

[0:24:35] Voice 3: but it's a legitimate concern for me that this road might be impassable by emergency services and

[0:24:45] Voice 3: it's a timely concern I mean it's always timely that the fire hazard is already really high and

[0:24:52] Voice 3: it's scary to me that there's a possibility that if a fire has started there or anywhere up there

[0:24:59] Voice 3: that fire trucks couldn't get up there and I mean that puts not only the neighborhood the people

[0:25:05] Voice 3: that live there neighboring properties but really the whole island at risk and that i do lose

[0:25:11] Voice 3: people to that so i wanted to just bring that up um higher density of people i mean i guess you

[0:25:19] Voice 3: could say that could increase chances for human error for you know different styles of heating

[0:25:24] Voice 3: that people are using could that increase a chance for fire opportunities it just scares me so like

[0:25:30] Voice 3: I said this is right from my heart and I would hold that in consideration of the

[0:25:36] Voice 3: application to rezone that the CRD and or the Islands Trust would at least consider

[0:25:46] Voice 3: you know is there some kind of a test that can be done can fire trucks get up

[0:25:51] Voice 3: there and that date of that kind of a test and results of that be shared with

[0:25:58] Voice 3: the community i know for myself it would really put some worries to rest for me personally

[0:26:05] Voice 3: as a pensioner now who has one main asset and that's my property that i still have a bit of

[0:26:11] Voice 3: a mortgage on you know something that that would have burned down it's that's a big shift in my

[0:26:15] Voice 3: life and everyone else's lives around so i'm just asking that of the board to be aware of that and

[0:26:21] Voice 3: to maybe be looking and considering that in your consideration of the application um and that maybe

[0:26:28] Voice 3: what would follow is some kind of improvement in that road just I mean for the safety of the

[0:26:33] Voice 3: residents there as well so I just wanted to thank you for taking in that information but like I said

[0:26:39] Voice 3: that's based on my own observations of fire truck and ambulance having to wait up for your

[0:26:45] Voice 3: pass road and walk out the long road and I'm not sure what the reasons were I can't comment on that

[0:26:50] Voice 3: all I can say is that it's a fact I've seen that at least three times so it's worrisome to me thank

[0:26:56] Voice 3: Thank you so much.

[0:26:57] Voice 6: Okay, and then any other hands in the back there? You next, sir.

[0:27:01] Voice 12: Well, I am, sorry, hello everyone. I'm Andy Simmons. I'm a social worker for Galliano.

[0:27:06] Voice 12: And it's good that I'm following your question here, because I think I can speak to some of the times

[0:27:12] that emergency services would target them on versus

[0:27:18] Voice 12: going up to the top, and often that is

[0:27:21] Voice 12: is for a few reasons, one is to give me a chance to bring people down to them, that's

[0:27:28] Voice 12: happened a few times and so it wasn't a question about the road upgrading, more was about not

[0:27:35] Voice 12: disturbing other residents up there and accessing health for people in a more calm way that

[0:27:42] Voice 12: didn't take sirens and sort of blazing and sort of bumping up. And so I can speak to

[0:27:48] Voice 12: certainly a few times that that's happened just personally because I was involved in

[0:27:53] Voice 12: those scenarios so that might give you a better lens on that that you didn't have anyway and

[0:28:00] Voice 12: just to further speak about you know as a social worker I am laser focused on social

[0:28:09] Voice 12: determinants of health and housing is by far the most important one in terms of really

[0:28:14] Voice 12: really stabilizing people's lives and so in the three years that I've been in this position

[0:28:19] Voice 12: I have seen what that property has done for the residents that are living there and you

[0:28:25] Voice 12: know it is life-saving to be quite frank and I would also say that in terms of the focus

[0:28:33] Voice 12: on fire risk it does alleviate the scenario because I'm also aware of other people without

[0:28:39] Voice 12: without housing that then have no other recourse but to live literally in the forest at times.

[0:28:46] Voice 12: And if we're talking about fire risks, you know, certainly that is one that I find quite

[0:28:51] Voice 12: concerning, you know, and so in a way this property allows us to stabilize people and

[0:28:58] Voice 12: put in safety measures, preserving sort of the whole island's peace in a way that's very

[0:29:03] Voice 12: accountable for us all and so I certainly would hope that you vote in favor because I think it's

[0:29:10] Voice 12: like life-saving thank

[0:29:13] Voice 6: you next hi

[0:29:15] Voice 16: my name is Valerie Tessier I am a resident of the film school

[0:29:19] Voice 16: and I am also a captain with Galliano fire rescue and I would like to offer Lori a chance to discuss

[0:29:27] Voice 16: personally about all these issues there was only one time where an emergency vehicle that

[0:29:34] Voice 16: is fire department that was at the bottom of the driveway at my request because the

[0:29:39] Voice 16: driveway was icy and

[0:29:40] Voice 1: it's not worth

[0:29:41] Voice 16: risking i have driven the fire trucks up there without any

[0:29:44] Voice 16: any problems we have an actual free plan for this property as well i would also say that

[0:29:52] Voice 16: as the fire smart coordinator and the wildfire mitigation specialist for the island there are

[0:30:00] Voice 16: are many more properties that i'm much more concerned than the film school and i would

[0:30:05] Voice 16: like for that to be taken into consideration when we do talk about these kinds of risks and take a

[0:30:10] Voice 16: little bit of a personal take on them i do think that there's a general asset here that we need

[0:30:15] Voice 16: to discuss which is the island itself that needs the support but when we're you know focusing on

[0:30:22] Voice 16: one property because maybe it's it's closer to home and bringing these kinds of concerns it's

[0:30:28] Voice 16: it's maybe something that needs to be discussed with the homeowner or the people that reside there or the fire department themselves

[0:30:35] Voice 16: because the fire department usually will have pre-plans for a lot of properties and will update those property pre-plans as well

[0:30:45] Voice 16: so I'm happy to discuss that with you personally and in private if you need to

[0:30:51] Voice 16: But just to piggyback on what Andrew had said about some of the emergency vehicles, there were ambulances there that needed support, but the other times were medical.

[0:31:03] Voice 16: And if it's not possible because of ice or snow, we're not going to be taking, and that goes for any driveway on the island.

[0:31:11] Voice 16: If your driveway is impossible, we're going to be locking up.

[0:31:15] Voice 16: And most of the times if we do have a fire we won't be parking at the property. It's not part of the pre-plans that we have.

[0:31:24] Voice 16: We have to be in a place where we are going to be able to egress quite rapidly. So there's a lot of things that we can discuss and I'm happy to sit down with you.

[0:31:38] Voice 3: Okay,

[0:31:39] Voice 6: I'm going to come back, but I'm going to let people who haven't spoken first yet.

[0:31:43] Voice 6: I think right on the end there.

[0:31:46] Voice 6: Did you not have your hand up?

[0:31:47] Voice 6: No?

[0:31:48] Voice 6: Oh, okay.

[0:31:49] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:31:50] Voice 6: Hi.

[0:31:51] Voice 1: I just want to speak in support of the virus to UP application.

[0:31:58] Voice 1: We know we are in a housing crisis on Galliano and globally.

[0:32:04] Voice 1: globally. People deserve a safe and dry and warm place to live with indoor plumbing. But

[0:32:14] Voice 1: most of all, and I want to thank Andrew for mentioning this, but really safety is the

[0:32:19] Voice 1: issue. So really, we need, because it's a crisis, we need flexibility. And I ask you

[0:32:27] Voice 1: to be flexible with this. It's an out-of-the-box solution from an out-of-the-box thinker. And

[0:32:33] Voice 1: That's what these situations require. I also have a message from Joanne Randall. May I say her name, is that her name?

[0:32:46] Voice 1: Dear Trustees, There is a great and urgent need for affordable housing on Galleano Island.

[0:32:53] Voice 1: This development provides a necessary and desperately needed stock gap until new long-term housing is built.

[0:33:00] Voice 1: As a board member of both Galley and Gingers for the past four years, I'm all too aware of how difficult and time consuming the process of building housing is.

[0:33:11] Voice 1: Please allow a TUP to allow current and future residents to have security until there are other options available to them.

[0:33:20] Voice 1: That's Joanne Radden.

[0:33:22] Okay, thank

[0:33:23] Voice 6: you. And Art, I may add something else?

[0:33:27] Voice 6: No, that's okay.

[0:33:30] Voice 6: So

[0:33:31] Voice 3: I just wanted to thank Valerie and Andrew. I don't think we've ever met. I just wanted

[0:33:37] Voice 3: to thank you because there's no medium for the neighborhood to know that.

[0:33:42] Voice 3: And as a retired special ed teacher, Andrew, I understand protocols of crisis intervention. It makes sense to me.

[0:33:52] Voice 3: And Valerie, I know of you, but I've never met you and I don't know if you're a part of it, and that is, does give some reassurance.

[0:34:00] Voice 3: Because when you just base it on fact or incidents that you've seen, like again, there's no medium for communicating that, because it's private, right?

[0:34:11] Voice 3: I just want to thank you for your input, and it was an interesting coincidence that you were deep, because I didn't decide to speak until today, so thanks again, guys.

[0:34:20] Voice 3: anyone

[0:34:23] Voice 6: else before we move on okay next we have a community information meeting and over to

[0:34:34] Voice 6: thank you

[0:34:37] Voice 7: all right thank you Jeremy so this is a community information meeting for one application

[0:34:43] Voice 7: application. Rockefeller, so the application is to amend the Land Use By-law to rezone the property from F1 to F3 and a small area of 4 hectares in total, which 2.7 hectares are proposed for the floor.

[0:35:02] Voice 7: This would legalize the four existing small dwellings on the property, would limit the floor area for future dwellings, would also permit one accessory building.

[0:35:15] Voice 7: The forest industrial zoning review for the existing property, OCP amendment is not required for the OCP.

[0:35:25] Voice 7: The applicant has been provided with the terms of reference for the national reports and supporting information.

[0:35:33] Voice 7: And most of that has been completed, so there's a site plan, hydrologist report, septic report and information,

[0:35:41] Voice 7: a sustainable forest management covenant has now been prepared with the attached baseline report.

[0:35:49] Voice 7: As was mentioned earlier, there is an underway discussion about steps for railways for

[0:35:53] Voice 7: emergency access.

[0:35:54] Voice 7: It's still in progress. Referrals have been completed for the application to the agencies and First Nations.

[0:36:02] Voice 7: And finally, because the NOCP amendment is not required, no public hearing is required.

[0:36:06] Voice 7: So we'll trust you to be at a previous meeting, decide if you're not to hold a public hearing and notice the first reading.

[0:36:15] Voice 7: I'll conclude with that. Yeah, I think it's here.

[0:36:20] Voice 7: Anything

[0:36:26] Voice 6: to add? Okay, questions for the trustee?

[0:36:38] Voice 17: Yes?

[0:36:39] Voice 17: I was just interested in the emergency access and I realize you said that's in progress,

[0:36:46] Voice 17: but how would that be sort of rooted at the Stix-Allison Road end of things?

[0:36:54] Voice 17: Would that kind of go up and around the hydro yard?

[0:36:57] Voice 17: Well,

[0:36:57] Voice 7: it would go through the hydro property.

[0:36:59] Voice 17: Through the hydro.

[0:37:00] Voice 17: Yeah,

[0:37:00] Voice 7: and then on the existing road or roads on the property.

[0:37:07] Voice 7: It's a specific route to be determined.

[0:37:10] Voice 7: Ultimately, the practicality of it is to be determined.

[0:37:13] Voice 7: That's why it's still kind of an open-ended discussion.

[0:37:17] Voice 7: It would be up to the fire department, capital regional district, if we only leave the country right away.

[0:37:24] Voice 7: Like they do on Fred Stephens' property.

[0:37:29] Voice 7: And that would be up to the applicant, absolutely, to agree to that.

[0:37:33] Voice 7: And like I said earlier, we'll come back to the local trust committee if it proceeds before final adoption.

[0:37:38] Voice 7: option

[0:37:40] Voice 14: yes but can I just point out that there's also additional private

[0:37:44] Voice 14: properties blanking the subject property that would need to grant that in order

[0:37:53] Voice 14: for it to be completed yeah

[0:37:55] Voice 7: should also say chair that he's the consultant here

[0:37:59] Voice 7: If there's any questions about the Queensland report, I'd be happy to answer them.

[0:38:06] Voice 6: Any more questions?

[0:38:08] Voice 6: Okay then.

[0:38:14] Voice 6: So, we have no club hearing scheduled for today.

[0:38:20] Voice 6: Next up is our minutes of April 8th for adoption.

[0:38:25] Voice 6: Anything in the minutes?

[0:38:28] Voice 6: No.

[0:38:29] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:38:30] Voice 6: I'll take by general consent.

[0:38:31] Voice 6: We'll adopt those as presented.

[0:38:32] Voice 6: We have no resolution without meeting report or APC report, and that brings us to the follow-up

[0:38:40] Voice 6: action list on page 13.

[0:38:42] Voice 6: I'll turn it over to Mr. Kojima.

[0:38:46] Voice 7: Okay, I'm not sure there's anything to highlight specifically, and if you are looking for previous

[0:38:54] Voice 7: meetings and progress related to DLT 5 and DLT 6, we're hoping those applications will

[0:39:01] Voice 7: be coming back at the next LTC meeting.

[0:39:03] Voice 7: The applicants have received a list of requirements and specifically what's required before the first meeting would be their actual site plans, delineating their complaints.

[0:39:15] Voice 7: So waiting for that, because that will become part of the bylaw.

[0:39:20] Voice 7: From the previous meeting, most items seem to have been completed.

[0:39:28] Voice 7: Can you answer any questions?

[0:39:33] Voice 6: Not from any questions?

[0:39:36] Voice 6: No.

[0:39:36] Voice 6: I

[0:39:36] Trustee Gauvreau: don't have any.

[0:39:38] Voice 6: uh i have a question and that's just about the uh october 2024 covenant release is that sitting

[0:39:52] Voice 6: waiting at the office for me i don't know could be that

[0:39:54] Voice 7: could be in your inbox

[0:39:55] Voice 6: okay i'll have a

[0:39:58] Voice 6: look tomorrow okay then um moving on next up we have a delegation from robin springer

[0:40:08] Voice 6: We have 10 minutes and please proceed.

[0:40:15] Voice 6: Remind the, the guidelines are the same for the public town hall.

[0:40:23] Voice 6: Speak to issues not individuals, use respectful language and that sort of thing.

[0:40:27] Voice 6: Well thank you very much for

[0:40:30] Voice 11: the opportunity to speak.

[0:40:34] Voice 11: My name is Robin Stringer, I live at 150 Cameron Lane together with my wife Ruth.

[0:40:39] Voice 11: We received a very short notice about the consultation period. We only received this on May 19.

[0:40:46] Voice 11: However, I scrambled to put a few notes together in response to the TUP.

[0:40:56] Voice 11: But at the same time, I feel like I was responding to something I had not seen.

[0:41:00] Voice 11: That was the staff report. To me, this is a challenge or a problem with consultation.

[0:41:06] Voice 11: They are actually replying, consulting with something you have simply not seen.

[0:41:12] Voice 11: Let's put that aside, I'm not going to argue about consultation.

[0:41:15] Voice 11: I think it's very weak and very flimsy, that's the end of that.

[0:41:19] Voice 11: However, last November, George Harris had it in his vision that he was going to build

[0:41:25] Voice 11: 12 housing units there.

[0:41:27] Voice 11: there. Now, happily, today, the staff report is very clear. The TUP would allow the use

[0:41:38] Voice 11: to continue in its current form without any expansion. The staff report is very clear.

[0:41:45] Voice 11: No further expansion. I think that actually should be written into the TUP, that there

[0:41:52] Voice 11: will not be any further expansion. The staff recommendation has been changed on the initial

[0:41:59] Voice 11: from a maximum of 8 per unit to 5 and a maximum size of residence from 1,000 square feet to 700.

[0:42:10] Voice 11: I don't need to speak about what people I think generally understand about safe and secure housing,

[0:42:17] Voice 11: that there is independent review and independent inspection.

[0:42:22] Voice 11: We are relying on the landlord that the insides of the buildings are safe, secure,

[0:42:30] Voice 11: here, there's hygiene, there's a statement that there is a kitchen in every unit, but

[0:42:38] Voice 11: there's no statement about showers, washroom facilities or toilets. There's no independent

[0:42:47] Voice 11: inspection. My fear is we're looking the other way, that there should be a good transparent

[0:42:58] Voice 11: to look at what living conditions exist. I've traveled throughout British Columbia.

[0:43:06] Voice 11: I've lived in places like Prince Rupert. I've been to Haida Gwaii. I've been to

[0:43:09] Voice 11: Massa. I've been to Kitwanga. I've seen what happens when we look the other way.

[0:43:15] Voice 11: And you have a duty of care to ensure, independent of the landlord, that the

[0:43:21] Voice 11: conditions there are proper, thorough and clean. The living standards. You have a

[0:43:27] Voice 11: duty of care and it's not just a legal you have a moral duty of care I think

[0:43:34] Voice 11: the top is incomplete I think much further work is required in fact at the

[0:43:40] Voice 11: very end of the top it says this permit is not a building permit and does not

[0:43:50] Voice 11: remove any obligation on the part of the permittee to comply with all other

[0:43:55] Voice 11: requirements of Galliano Island land use to obtain approvals necessary for

[0:44:02] Voice 11: completion of the proposed development including approvals from the Capital

[0:44:07] Voice 11: Regional District, Island Health, Ministry of Environment and Climate Change

[0:44:12] Voice 11: Strategy and Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure. Well that's a lot of

[0:44:17] Voice 11: obligations. In fact when I go to the bylaws this work should have been done

[0:44:24] Voice 11: as part of the preliminary work before you even get to the TUP stage and I

[0:44:31] Voice 11: would plead with the planner to respond to that. This is work that in the very

[0:44:36] Voice 11: words of the trust bylaw, this is part of preliminary work, that this work has to

[0:44:42] Voice 11: take place. It hasn't taken place. You're putting it to the landlord that he will

[0:44:50] Voice 11: undertake to do this work. End of that. The other concern I have and I'm

[0:44:57] Voice 11: I'm not an expert on this area.

[0:45:00] Voice 11: We're talking about density of five people,

[0:45:05] Voice 11: five people living in 700 square feet.

[0:45:13] Voice 11: There's two units of 700 square feet,

[0:45:15] Voice 11: there's two units of 590 square feet,

[0:45:18] Voice 11: and there's one unit, I think, of 390 square feet.

[0:45:21] Voice 11: And you're giving approval to have five people

[0:45:24] Voice 11: live in 590 square feet?

[0:45:28] Voice 11: I think that's wrong.

[0:45:29] Voice 11: I'm not talking about shutting this down I'm not talking about the people that

[0:45:37] Voice 11: are there being evicted and put into wherever they're in a very precarious

[0:45:46] Voice 11: position I feel for them I absolutely do but I think it's someone has to

[0:45:55] Voice 11: understand you're giving authority who what competency independent of the

[0:46:01] Voice 11: landlord said it's okay to have five people living in 590 square feet or 700 square feet it's wrong

[0:46:11] Voice 11: i think the top should not stand as it stands it should not be approved as it stands now

[0:46:19] Voice 11: more work has to be done i'm not criticizing someone who's trying to help we don't want to

[0:46:27] Voice 11: put people out in the streets i'm fully aware of that i've lived in important situations myself in

[0:46:33] Voice 11: in my early years. We have a duty of care. Twenty pages in that report. It reads more

[0:46:42] Voice 11: like a development permit application than a temporary use permit. Temporary use permit

[0:46:51] Voice 11: is temporary. Twenty pages of aerial views, environmental assessments. What about an independent

[0:47:02] Voice 11: independent assessment by somebody who knows what they're talking and has expertise that

[0:47:09] Voice 11: can verify that this is a healthy, safe environment. In the report, in Harris's own words, we've

[0:47:18] Voice 11: got three or four mothers with children. Half the population there, according to Harris,

[0:47:28] Voice 11: is Indigenous. And we're going to look the other way. Have we not learned? We need to

[0:47:34] Voice 11: take some time here this isn't me being a mean-spirited neighbor trying to shut something

[0:47:41] Voice 11: down but let's pay attention to what is going on here more work is required yes it's better living

[0:47:51] Voice 11: there i suppose and out in the street or in a car but i plead pay attention as i understand it

[0:48:09] Voice 11: there is no occupancy permit in place for the current use yes there was occupancy permit when

[0:48:15] Voice 11: it was a film school a seasonal activity has there been a proper inspection of electrical

[0:48:23] Voice 11: plumbing we're putting people at

[0:48:27] Voice 10: risk look at the trustees you have an obligation a duty of care

[0:48:36] Voice 10: i put it to you just

[0:48:42] Voice 11: because somebody has put some roof over someone's head it doesn't mean

[0:48:47] Voice 11: you walk away and say all is good i strongly object to that finally at five where i think the

[0:48:56] Voice 11: cup is wrong and it should have been done well before it's part of the preliminary activity

[0:49:03] Voice 11: your planner would know this it's not a building permit staff report says this makes it legal it

[0:49:16] Voice 11: doesn't make it legal it makes it legal in some sense but it's not a complete it's not complete

[0:49:23] Voice 11: Don't use that expression that makes it legal, because people read that document and think it's legal.

[0:49:29] Voice 11: And there's so much more work to be done to make it fully legal.

[0:49:33] Voice 11: I think it's a misuse of the language and it's misleading to use that expression, legal.

[0:49:38] Voice 11: Much more to say is left to be done.

[0:49:59] Voice 11: I think when you do get to this stage, if you do, approve the top.

[0:50:06] Voice 11: Other words should be put in the top.

[0:50:08] Voice 11: there should be quarterly inspections to ensure that the works is being that it's not being

[0:50:18] Voice 11: expanded that the landlord lives up to what this report says i don't think it would be that onerous

[0:50:28] Voice 11: to have quarterly inspections to make sure things are okay

[0:50:33] Voice 3: we'll

[0:50:36] Voice 6: just ask you that and that's your

[0:50:42] Voice 6: 10 minutes do you have anything to conclude with all right thank you so next we have

[0:50:55] Voice 6: a break scheduled with an elected trustees do you want to do some more work first right now

[0:51:03] Voice 6: yeah do some more work

[0:51:05] Trustee Gauvreau: there's one in the audience let's

[0:51:14] Voice 6: take 10 minutes

[0:51:17] Voice 6: we'll come back at uh okay so we're back from our break and applications and referrals section

[0:51:38] Voice 6: First up, starting on page 20, we have a referral from the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:51:44] Voice 6: Go to staff, see if there's any commentary there.

[0:51:50] Voice 6: Assault-free by-laws?

[0:51:58] Voice 6: Okay, we do have the by-laws in front of us.

[0:52:05] Voice 6: And to trustees, see if there's any comment.

[0:52:09] Voice 6: I

[0:52:10] Trustee Gauvreau: did my homework on it,

[0:52:11] Voice 1: I read it, I looked at

[0:52:12] Trustee Gauvreau: it, I found the types of businesses were there,

[0:52:15] Trustee Gauvreau: how long they've been there there doesn't seem to be any concerns around around the legalizing

[0:52:22] Trustee Gauvreau: it's about uh it's a rezoning referral uh commercial legalization property on

[0:52:27] Trustee Gauvreau: i felt actually like no concerns at all i don't think this affects our interests in

[0:52:33] Trustee Gauvreau: any way my

[0:52:36] Voice 13: question would be to you you're the chair of their health ec

[0:52:38] Voice 13: but you probably

[0:52:40] Voice 6: know more about it than anybody i and i have to confer i don't see how this would

[0:52:44] Voice 6: affect the interests of the galliano island local trust committee um but dude just since we have a

[0:52:50] Voice 6: regional planning manager in the room uh just point out i have heard several times um it would

[0:52:56] Voice 6: be appreciated for trustees that when we do get these there is a recommended motion formatted so

[0:53:03] Voice 6: that um we don't do uh what we're about to do on the fly every time so

[0:53:10] Voice 7: perhaps the chair could

[0:53:11] Voice 7: bring that up an executive committee it's

[0:53:13] Voice 6: a good idea

[0:53:13] Voice 7: until it's done consistently

[0:53:18] Voice 13: yes

[0:53:19] Voice 13: i'm probably making a motion that our interests are not affected uh

[0:53:29] Voice 6: so that i think it's that we

[0:53:31] Trustee Gauvreau: i have a motion here

[0:53:32] Trustee Gauvreau: i was prepared because it always gets awkward at this point so uh i lose that the galliano

[0:53:41] Trustee Gauvreau: local trust committees interests are unaffected by salt spring island local trust committee

[0:53:47] Trustee Gauvreau: proposal bylaws 544 and 545.

[0:53:52] Voice 6: I'll second them very much for every motion made and seconded and any

[0:53:56] Voice 6: further discussion no thank you Trustee Gavreau for having the motion prepared appreciate that

[0:54:01] Voice 6: and I'll call the question all those in favor and that carries uh next we're moving on to the

[0:54:09] Voice 6: the PL2 for use permit 20.5.0108 here's the staff report and I'll turn it over to Mr. GMAC.

[0:54:20] Voice 6: Thank

[0:54:20] Voice 7: you chair, applicants here. So as you're probably aware this is a TEP for the use of the

[0:54:27] Voice 7: film scope property for residential rental use and it would legalize the

[0:54:32] Voice 1: existing use

[0:54:33] Voice 7: as a rental

[0:54:34] Voice 1: housing for residents

[0:54:35] Voice 7: and that would be a condition for any other

[0:54:39] Voice 7: improvements that they need, such as building occupancy. The applicant originally applied for rezoning, has recently changed that application to a temporary lease permit,

[0:54:51] Voice 7: seconding the cost of the rezoning and the hopes for that this would be a transitional housing for the residents as a affordable housing project or two projects.

[0:55:03] Voice 7: TUP would permit use of multiple unit dwellings, limited to rental tenure, five units, one common kitchen, laundry and lounge.

[0:55:14] Voice 7: Staff are also recommending, this is in the staff report, that the amendment be amended to establish a maximum unit floor area of 65 square meters, five persons per unit.

[0:55:28] Voice 7: application has been referred to the fire department staff discussions with the fire department

[0:55:33] Voice 7: and it's also been referred to the applicant to obtain any other approvals necessary and staff

[0:55:43] Voice 7: are recommending issuance of the temporary permanent use permit okay thank

[0:55:50] Voice 6: you and uh

[0:55:52] Voice 6: Mr. Harris do you have anything you'd like to add today well

[0:55:57] Voice 2: if you have any questions I'm happy to

[0:55:59] Voice 2: answer them. I think that the facility of use, reuse, is having a necessary function

[0:56:17] Voice 2: and that in theory, I'm feeling more and more hopeful as the days go by, that at least one

[0:56:28] Voice 2: None of the housing projects will proceed fairly soon, although I've said that for 12 years.

[0:56:40] Voice 2: But I'm really more confident today than I've ever been.

[0:56:45] Voice 2: So I've had two inquiries to continuous use as a film school.

[0:56:54] Voice 2: And I've said no at the moment because it is being used as housing.

[0:57:01] Voice 2: and I will continue to use it as housing until such time that these people have an alternative.

[0:57:12] Voice 2: Two of the families that were there have found permanent housing, which is great.

[0:57:18] Voice 2: Almost a miracle on Galliano, but I think this gives the people that are there the confidence

[0:57:27] Voice 2: that they're safe to stay there until something else comes up. The main improvement that we've

[0:57:37] Voice 2: done is the heat pumps. The whole place has now got heating and cooling by much more efficient

[0:57:48] Voice 2: than the propane gas and the electrical baseboards we were using. So that was my big project and it's all done legally and with codes and all of the stuff you're supposed to do.

[0:58:08] Voice 2: So if you have any questions, please, I'd be happy to answer.

[0:58:15] Voice 6: okay trustee any questions for staff or the applicant today yeah

[0:58:21] Voice 13: so when I'm

[0:58:25] Voice 13: looking at the recommendations Robert and we refer to by reducing the max

[0:58:29] Voice 13: model let's say of a dwelling unit from 8 to 5 that's individuals I assume we're

[0:58:34] Voice 13: referring to yes I would prefer that to refer to a family unit I think you know

[0:58:43] Voice 13: know, I think that makes more sense. You know, I know what we're dealing with here. And so

[0:58:53] Voice 13: that that's just one of the issues I have. There's a couple other things that I think,

[0:58:59] Voice 13: as we go through this application that is sort of highlighted for me, one is making sure

[0:59:05] Voice 13: obviously working with the fire departments and make sure the emergency accesses is in

[0:59:10] Voice 13: place right i think the other thing that that certainly needs to be done is to have a community

[0:59:17] Voice 13: meeting to explain how the emergency plans are you know what the emergency plans are so that

[0:59:23] Voice 13: when people are um you know sort of watching something going on they've been to a community

[0:59:28] Voice 13: meeting and and you know are aware of what the plan is what the plans are so i think that that

[0:59:35] Voice 13: would certainly help when I hear the discussion around the room. It's something that's you could

[0:59:41] Voice 13: do that would certainly help out. Obviously no further expansion would be one of the other

[0:59:51] Voice 13: things too. We wouldn't want to see it growing and you know the TUP is a temporary thing so

[0:59:56] Voice 13: So it would be hard to get to the end of the T.O.P.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: in size kind of thing right and that's it for now for me but i don't know i'm

[1:00:08] Voice 2: just going to speak

[1:00:08] Voice 2: to one when we went through the original the fire department brought up all their all their trucks

[1:00:15] Voice 2: and set up a big pool and you know did a full exercise because the radiuses of the terms were

[1:00:26] Voice 2: kind of a critical thing so they were happy but we can you know do it again the road hasn't changed

[1:00:32] Voice 2: I mean, maybe it's improved a little bit, but it's more or less the same radiuses, which is a big concern. And a place to turn around up there was also, still exists.

[1:00:46] Voice 13: Yeah, I understand that. I think since that process, the fire departments have amalgamated, and so there's different trucks and different things that maybe there could be some consideration for, so I think it would be important to go through that exercise.

[1:01:02] Trustee Gauvreau: I'm

[1:01:03] Voice 13: just saying I mean when you have an application like this and whatever we do today, it should be sort of an exercise for the applicant to have, as this thing goes along, to have community meetings to sort of...

[1:01:21] Voice 13: I

[1:01:22] Trustee Gauvreau: thought that would happen if they went to rezoning.

[1:01:25] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've been

[1:01:26] Voice 13: part of the rezoning process, but here we are with the TUP and so how do we fit that in, right?

[1:01:36] Trustee Gauvreau: How do we fit that in? Well, I think that there would have, I mean, as a requirement, there would be some parameters around like a community information meeting before the TUP is issued,

[1:01:48] Trustee Gauvreau: or is that what the, or is the applicant

[1:01:53] Trustee Gauvreau: going to voluntarily have close to the community information

[1:01:57] Trustee Gauvreau: you need to explain the fire plan to the concerned neighbors

[1:02:00] Trustee Gauvreau: or is it open to the entire public?

[1:02:03] Voice 13: I mean, I think at this point we're making the decision

[1:02:05] Voice 13: so whatever we're comfortable with.

[1:02:06] Trustee Gauvreau: Right, yeah.

[1:02:07] Trustee Gauvreau: I mean, I'd be comfortable with,

[1:02:10] Trustee Gauvreau: obviously the neighbors are engaged in the process

[1:02:15] Trustee Gauvreau: and could find the answers they're seeking just by speaking with the applicant

[1:02:20] Trustee Gauvreau: rather than us having to organize another meeting around the fire.

[1:02:26] Trustee Gauvreau: Does that work for you?

[1:02:28] Voice 13: Yeah, that works.

[1:02:29] Voice 13: I think this is a very local issue.

[1:02:32] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah.

[1:02:32] Trustee Gauvreau: I

[1:02:33] Voice 13: think the neighborhood is engaged.

[1:02:34] Voice 13: I'm a

[1:02:35] Trustee Gauvreau: little less concerned about the fire trucks, too, knowing that driveway, too.

[1:02:38] Trustee Gauvreau: Once you enter a property, I'm thinking of my own property,

[1:02:41] Trustee Gauvreau: like to have emergency access to it, the fire truck's not going to be dealing with the fire from that area, right?

[1:02:48] Trustee Gauvreau: Like from the front of the building, they're not going to go behind the building, they're not going to get themselves pinned in there.

[1:02:54] Trustee Gauvreau: That would have been a part of the parking plan, I would say, with the original rezoning.

[1:02:58] Trustee Gauvreau: So I wasn't very concerned about that, the fire department, to determine what's best for the fire department.

[1:03:05] Voice 13: Oh yeah, no, that's what I was saying. I think it's an exercise that's worth going through.

[1:03:08] Voice 13: um whether it's a film school or whether it's uh social housing um fire departments have amalgamated

[1:03:16] Voice 13: things have changed so it's an exercise i think that should be done on a regular basis

[1:03:20] Trustee Gauvreau: uh perhaps the applicant can provide some type of letter from the fire department

[1:03:24] Voice 13: or right

[1:03:25] Trustee Gauvreau: or the plan right you

[1:03:28] Voice 13: know i'm not engaged in that in the process right

[1:03:32] Trustee Gauvreau: right um

[1:03:33] Voice 13: we can we can put that in

[1:03:34] Voice 7: there the chair um yeah there's certain things that the

[1:03:38] Voice 7: LTC could add those conditions to the permit then they're forcibly conditions um it's up to the LTC

[1:03:46] Voice 7: as long as it's practical right yeah that

[1:03:51] Trustee Gauvreau: could be contingent on the issue of

[1:03:54] Trustee Gauvreau: renewing the TUP or with issuing the TUP

[1:03:59] Trustee Gauvreau: so if you

[1:03:59] Voice 7: issue the TUP with the condition that's enforceable right so say you said uh

[1:04:04] Voice 7: And if Mr. Kairos has to hold a public meeting within 30 days of the issue, if he doesn't

[1:04:11] Voice 7: do that, we can enforce it.

[1:04:13] Voice 7: Probably more practical is a solution.

[1:04:20] Okay,

[1:04:29] Voice 6: so I'm hanging with that.

[1:04:30] Voice 6: Thanks.

[1:04:33] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:04:35] Voice 7: Generally, the third approach would be...

[1:04:43] Trustee Gauvreau: In favor of that.

[1:04:45] Voice 7: Which is that?

[1:04:46] Trustee Gauvreau: I didn't hear it.

[1:04:47] Voice 7: Just whatever the applicant, the applicant commits to doing something, you can say,

[1:04:52] Voice 7: yeah, that sounds great, and you're sure that he maybe doesn't do it.

[1:04:57] Trustee Gauvreau: He's not going to get through.

[1:04:59] Voice 7: That's the implication.

[1:04:59] Voice 7: Was

[1:05:01] Trustee Gauvreau: that sound acceptable? That would be acceptable to me.

[1:05:05] Voice 13: Yeah, I mean, I...

[1:05:06] Voice 13: The applicant is willing

[1:05:06] Trustee Gauvreau: to take

[1:05:08] Voice 2: that piece on.

[1:05:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Whatever.

[1:05:10] Trustee Gauvreau: And to address the concerns. Fantastic.

[1:05:15] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:05:17] Voice 7: So I suggest for clarity, the OTC has a resolution requesting the applicant to do something on the record.

[1:05:25] Voice 7: That's interesting.

[1:05:35] Voice 4: Fantastic. I might make

[1:05:38] Trustee Gauvreau: that a motion now, if that's okay.

[1:05:41] Voice 14: Yeah, you can do that.

[1:05:42] Trustee Gauvreau: As we go.

[1:05:43] Trustee Gauvreau: I move that the Galeano Local Trust Committee request the applicant, Harris, for GLPUP 2025-0103, Harris, to hold a public information meeting around fire safety.

[1:06:13] Trustee Gauvreau: I

[1:06:17] Voice 13: would expand that a bit around emergency access as well.

[1:06:21] Trustee Gauvreau: Fire safety and emergency access.

[1:06:26] Voice 14: Do you want to

[1:06:27] Voice 14: put a timeline on there?

[1:06:28] Trustee Gauvreau: Or

[1:06:28] Voice 14: just any time?

[1:06:31] Voice 4: Any time during the three-year talk?

[1:06:34] Voice 13: No, I

[1:06:34] Voice 13: think we're...

[1:06:36] Trustee Gauvreau: Six months, I think, would be sufficient.

[1:06:38] Trustee Gauvreau: Do you want to put a time frame?

[1:06:39] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:06:39] Voice 14: Within the next six months?

[1:06:40] Trustee Gauvreau: Within six months.

[1:06:48] Voice 14: Would that work?

[1:06:50] Voice 7: Yeah, that's up to the

[1:06:52] Voice 14: applicant to do that.

[1:06:53] Voice 14: And

[1:06:53] Voice 7: if he doesn't, we'll know.

[1:06:58] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I think that would be...

[1:07:03] Voice 13: And that's acceptable?

[1:07:06] Voice 13: That's acceptable to me.

[1:07:07] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:07:07] Trustee Gauvreau: I think we would get the information that we need within the timeframe that we would

[1:07:11] Trustee Gauvreau: want to have it.

[1:07:14] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:07:14] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:07:15] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:07:16] Voice 13: I'm going to second that motion.

[1:07:17] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:07:18] Voice 13: All right.

[1:07:19] Voice 6: Move to second.

[1:07:20] Voice 6: Move to second.

[1:07:22] Voice 6: So discussion on the motion.

[1:07:24] Trustee Gauvreau: I think, yeah.

[1:07:25] Trustee Gauvreau: I think it was a lot of time, enough time for the applicant to get the information together

[1:07:31] Trustee Gauvreau: and for us to understand what what the public is the consultation seems to be

[1:07:36] Trustee Gauvreau: a little bit of an issue that gives more than enough time for that a good service

[1:07:40] Trustee Gauvreau: of them

[1:07:42] Voice 13: no motion

[1:07:47] Voice 6: on the floor okay all right then if there's no further

[1:07:51] Voice 6: discussion I'll call the question all those in favor and that motion carries

[1:07:56] Voice 6: great

[1:07:58] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you I thought that would be easier than waiting to the end of the

[1:08:02] Trustee Gauvreau: you all the

[1:08:02] Voice 9: emotions.

[1:08:05] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, for myself, it's our job to evaluate whether this application

[1:08:11] Trustee Gauvreau: provides secure housing in a way that's safe, legal, right, and consistent with the land use

[1:08:19] Trustee Gauvreau: policies, right? We also need to keep the bigger picture in mind. What we know about

[1:08:25] Trustee Gauvreau: the housing crisis isn't nearly as bad as what the reality of it is um and temporary use permits

[1:08:35] Trustee Gauvreau: i believe are actually exist for uses like this i appreciate that the community that the community

[1:08:44] Trustee Gauvreau: members are engaged in this process um but any type of concern or around the housing that is

[1:08:54] Trustee Gauvreau: being proposed here can't be based on assumptions about what's going to happen we need data we need

[1:09:02] Trustee Gauvreau: to move forward to find that questions together i think asking for um mr harris to put a whole

[1:09:10] Trustee Gauvreau: bunch of um schematics and do a lot of studies before issuing the temporary use permit it's just

[1:09:18] Trustee Gauvreau: going to um it's going to cause hardship i think to the people that live there it's going to cause

[1:09:26] Trustee Gauvreau: to a place where we want to get to a place where neighbors are happy with this TUP with them the

[1:09:33] Trustee Gauvreau: safety our concerns are are called but and that's great but we have to understand the fact that

[1:09:42] Trustee Gauvreau: there is no option on Galliano for these people to live in and we have an application opportunity

[1:09:49] Trustee Gauvreau: here to try to think about something new something different something we can kind of bring together

[1:09:55] Trustee Gauvreau: as a community. And TUP, I believe, exists for that, to see if this type of wood fit would be a good fit for this property.

[1:10:06] Trustee Gauvreau: It's three years, almost like a pilot project, if you will, in many ways. And it would not be renewed if any of the conditions are not met.

[1:10:19] Trustee Gauvreau: have in it and that that is fire that's safety that's density as it is right now the amendments

[1:10:26] Trustee Gauvreau: to in the recommendations the amendments reflect the reality of what's actually happening right

[1:10:33] Trustee Gauvreau: now today right um so i think that i i agree with the staff's recommendation to approve the tup

[1:10:44] Trustee Gauvreau: the TUP today. I think there's no proposed new development in the TUP already, but it

[1:10:51] Trustee Gauvreau: says that already in there, and it's the reusing of the existing infrastructure. There's a

[1:10:56] Trustee Gauvreau: very low environmental footprint that we're going to be, that we're having here. Yeah,

[1:11:03] Trustee Gauvreau: so with that, I'm ready to make the motion.

[1:11:06] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:11:07] Voice 13: I'm

[1:11:08] Trustee Gauvreau: not going to, sorry.

[1:11:14] Voice 13: This is the toughest thing we have to do. I get this. I do get it.

[1:11:23] Voice 13: Bayer lives on my property. I have people living on my property, right?

[1:11:28] Voice 13: The reason we're in this position very rarely is something that we've done.

[1:11:34] Voice 13: The governments, all levels of government above us, have been neglecting their duty.

[1:11:41] Voice 13: And so here we are. We're all trying to find makeshift solutions to housing, right?

[1:11:50] Voice 13: None of them are going to be perfect. That's just a reality.

[1:11:55] Voice 13: I agree, we have a duty of care, right?

[1:12:02] Voice 13: I think we're going to exercise our duty of care today, even though it's not perfect, right?

[1:12:08] Voice 13: I think, you know, there's a lot that sort of the applicant can do with the neighborhood to ease a lot of the concerns that the neighbors have.

[1:12:27] Voice 13: But, you know, I mean, we're now living in a really, especially with housing, an imperfect world.

[1:12:37] Voice 13: And there's absolutely no bright light on the horizon that says it's going to be solved.

[1:12:43] Voice 13: And when you talk about the housing report, and we have the housing report, housing needs assessment,

[1:12:49] Voice 13: that says we're going to have to come up with another 400 over the next 20 years.

[1:12:53] Voice 13: How are we going to do that?

[1:12:55] Voice 13: We fight for...

[1:12:57] Voice 13: Four.

[1:12:59] Voice 13: Five, right?

[1:13:00] Voice 13: We're just praying that the upper levels of government come through with funding for our housing project.

[1:13:10] Voice 13: Because 24 units is huge for this island. Over 20 years, that meets the need for a couple of years.

[1:13:19] Voice 13: There's no guarantees on that.

[1:13:22] Voice 13: And so, I'm going to vote in favour of this application.

[1:13:31] Voice 13: I would just like to see that number amended to a family unit of five, because I think it gives some reassurances that we're not going to start, you know, putting bunk beds in and just renting out little rooms with bunk beds and five strangers on them, right?

[1:13:49] Voice 13: Right? I think the neighborhood deserves that, right?

[1:13:57] Voice 13: So with that said, I mean, I could go on and on

[1:14:02] Voice 13: about the neglect of upper levels of government

[1:14:05] Voice 13: to its constituents for another couple of hours

[1:14:09] Voice 13: if everybody wants, but it isn't gonna change

[1:14:13] Voice 13: what we're gonna do here today.

[1:14:17] Voice 13: It's an imperfect world we're living in

[1:14:19] Voice 13: and certainly in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:14:21] Voice 13: we have been neglected, more so than any other place. It's only recently that the

[1:14:30] Voice 13: CRD has formed a new regional plan for the electoral areas and named the

[1:14:38] Voice 13: regional manager, which is Steven Henderson. And I can't think of a better

[1:14:42] Voice 13: guy to do that, right? I've worked with Steven a long time and his desire to do

[1:14:48] Voice 13: something for the southern gulf islands and you know same with ted robbins who chairs them or who

[1:14:53] Voice 13: runs the crd but i mean that's that just happened 10 days ago right and so here we are and so yeah

[1:15:05] Voice 13: i'm prepared to move ahead with the um the recommendations like i said i would just like

[1:15:11] Voice 13: to have that number um as a family unit family

[1:15:15] Trustee Gauvreau: dwelling yeah family

[1:15:17] Trustee Gauvreau: dwelling just

[1:15:18] Voice 13: i think we

[1:15:19] Voice 13: We've asked the applicant to, you know, talk to the neighborhood about emergency access, about the emergency plans, and work with the neighborhood to address some of their concerns, right?

[1:15:38] Voice 13: So, did you want

[1:15:40] Voice 6: to make a motion, Lisa?

[1:15:40] Trustee Gauvreau: I will.

[1:15:41] Trustee Gauvreau: I

[1:15:42] Voice 6: just had a question for you, before you go ahead and do that, for you Robert, about

[1:15:48] Voice 6: the notion of changing the occupancy from a number to a family, and how doable is that?

[1:15:57] Voice 6: I

[1:15:57] Voice 7: await the amending motion, but what I heard was it would be a family of a maximum of five.

[1:16:04] Voice 7: Family, yeah.

[1:16:05] Trustee Gauvreau: Not the number.

[1:16:07] Voice 6: Instead

[1:16:08] Trustee Gauvreau: of dwelling, it would be the word family.

[1:16:09] Voice 6: Oh, instead of dwelling in it.

[1:16:10] Voice 7: insert the word family

[1:16:12] Voice 6: okay uh so that's doable to a

[1:16:16] Voice 7: family of right

[1:16:22] Trustee Gauvreau: okay

[1:16:27] Voice 7: okay you're

[1:16:28] Voice 7: good with that guy okay because it's still got the number five in there

[1:16:31] Voice 7: yes

[1:16:32] Trustee Gauvreau: okay

[1:16:37] Voice 6: yeah all right all

[1:16:39] Trustee Gauvreau: right i move that the galliano local trust committee

[1:16:42] Trustee Gauvreau: Amend Temporary Use Permit GLPLTUP-2025-0103 Harris by amending

[1:16:52] Trustee Gauvreau: A. Condition 3F by reducing the maximum floor area from 93 square metres

[1:16:59] Trustee Gauvreau: that's 1,000 square feet to 65 square metres, 700 square feet

[1:17:06] Trustee Gauvreau: and B, condition 3G, by reducing the maximum occupancy of a family dwelling,

[1:17:13] Trustee Gauvreau: sorry, a family unit, from eight to five people.

[1:17:19] Voice 6: Moved.

[1:17:20] Voice 6: Second.

[1:17:21] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:17:24] Voice 6: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[1:17:26] Voice 6: All those in favour?

[1:17:27] Voice 6: I'm curious.

[1:17:30] Trustee Gauvreau: Do you want to do that one?

[1:17:32] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah.

[1:17:33] Voice 13: That the Galiano Local Trust Committee approve temporary use permit application

[1:17:36] Voice 13: application GLPLTUP2025-0103

[1:17:42] Voice 13: carries for a period of three years as amended.

[1:17:44] Voice 6: Move.

[1:17:45] Voice 6: Seconded.

[1:17:46] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:17:49] Voice 6: Seeing any, I'll call the question.

[1:17:50] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[1:17:52] Voice 6: And that motion carries as well.

[1:17:55] Voice 6: Okay, so moving on,

[1:17:59] Voice 6: next we have a development variance permit.

[1:18:04] Voice 6: Poppleton starting on page 51,

[1:18:06] Voice 6: one and i will turn the staff to introduce the

[1:18:10] Voice 7: chair this is the development variance permit

[1:18:12] Voice 7: for the siting of a replacement septic field uh here we vary the setback from the sea to 5.8

[1:18:19] Voice 7: meters and the setback from the well to 19 meters and to permit parking uh zero meters

[1:18:26] Voice 7: type 2 septic system is being proposed as a professional report to support it and provided

[1:18:33] Voice 7: by the applicant. According to the report, the proposed siting of the drain field is the only

[1:18:39] Voice 7: feasible location on the property given its size and topography. The applicants have been made

[1:18:45] Voice 1: aware

[1:18:46] Voice 7: of archaeological and heritage site protocols and the

[1:18:49] Voice 7: archaeology branch review.

[1:18:51] Voice 7: The application was delayed for a couple of reasons including a redesign.

[1:18:59] Voice 7: This is an

[1:19:04] Voice 7: associated development permit. We'll go along with this.

[1:19:07] Voice 7: If the LTC approves and issues provisions of the DPP, then the DP would be a condition precedent.

[1:19:21] Voice 7: Staff are recommending issuance of the development variance permit.

[1:19:25] Voice 6: Thank

[1:19:26] Voice 13: you. Trustees, any questions?

[1:19:28] Voice 13: I have no questions. I've viewed the property numerous times.

[1:19:34] Voice 13: I've seen the tanks and everything where they're set up now.

[1:19:37] Voice 13: There's an assurance from the owner that they're going to actually be, not barricaded,

[1:19:44] Voice 13: barricaded, but there's going to be a boundary around them with soil and garden on top, so

[1:19:50] Voice 13: I don't see any reason why we wouldn't go around the foundation.

[1:19:57] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I'm typically, generally not, I am not in favor of drain fields in the natural boundary.

[1:20:02] Trustee Gauvreau: I think that's something that we should look at policy-wise as something moving into the

[1:20:06] Trustee Gauvreau: future, the cumulative effects on the shoreline is a big concern.

[1:20:10] Trustee Gauvreau: However, in this particular application, what they're really doing is they're actually, it supports environmental protection because they're taking an old failing system and they're making it very modern.

[1:20:26] Trustee Gauvreau: So, I'm in favor of this.

[1:20:31] Voice 13: Well, one additional thing. We know we're in a sensitive area there. There's no question about that.

[1:20:35] Voice 13: And the fact that we're not digging into the ground anymore is something

[1:20:39] Trustee Gauvreau: that

[1:20:40] Voice 13: was, you know, in that area shouldn't be good.

[1:20:42] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:20:43] Trustee Gauvreau: it's Jermison Bay, and I talked to a few Jermisons and asked them what they thought, and

[1:20:46] Voice 13: they don't like it.

[1:20:47] Trustee Gauvreau: But I was able to explain to them that it is a more modern type 2 system, and the benefits of that are very long-term.

[1:20:58] Voice 7: I'm not sure if the output's here.

[1:21:00] Voice 7: Oh, right.

[1:21:01] Voice 6: I

[1:21:02] Voice 8: can't see it.

[1:21:02] Voice 8: No?

[1:21:03] Voice 7: okay

[1:21:04] Voice 13: okay well it sounds like perhaps we might be ready for a motion

[1:21:09] Voice 13: i move that the galliano island local trust committee approve issuance of glvb-2023.6

[1:21:16] Voice 13: moved seconded

[1:21:20] Voice 6: by trustee gavro any further discussion no okay so i'll call the question

[1:21:25] Voice 6: all those in favor and motion carries okay next we have uh rezoning 2023 one rockefeller draft

[1:21:36] Voice 6: bylaw 291 starting on page 82. turn it over to staff thank

[1:21:44] Voice 7: you chair so i can summarize the

[1:21:46] Voice 7: overview of the application of the community information meeting um like i said the ltc

[1:21:53] Voice 7: resolved not all the public hearing because it's consistent with the OCP notice was given a first

[1:21:58] Voice 7: reading on this agenda consideration first reading on this agenda it's here for consideration of

[1:22:04] Voice 7: three readings referral to executive committee review a policy statement checklist direction

[1:22:10] Voice 7: to receive the covenant and appoint a chair to execute it direction to work with the capital

[1:22:18] Voice 7: regional district and fire department on emergency access that's right away and we'll come back

[1:22:25] to the LTC before final adoption with the final

[1:22:30] Voice 7: version of the covenant and report back

[1:22:32] Voice 7: on the feasibility of the and the applicants here and anything

[1:22:41] Voice 6: to add today no okay um trustees

[1:22:47] Voice 6: is where are we how are you uh

[1:22:48] Trustee Gauvreau: for me i uh for the emergency access too i do i remember we spoke

[1:22:54] Trustee Gauvreau: about this before and i remember speaking with the fire chief as well uh chief such as around

[1:23:01] Trustee Gauvreau: emergency access because of the hydro um the hydro building down there too they're not allowed

[1:23:07] Trustee Gauvreau: to put emergency access anywhere with people with a mile he said within that area um but i think if

[1:23:15] Trustee Gauvreau: if this um we need to work with the capital regional district to determine all that as well

[1:23:21] Trustee Gauvreau: so i was surprised to see the emergency access on here um and same thing with the public but

[1:23:26] Trustee Gauvreau: i'm totally recommendation number six i'd be in favor of seeing that on there um i think it all

[1:23:38] Trustee Gauvreau: looks it looks fine to me it's it's compliant with the ocp in a way that it just makes it easy for us

[1:23:45] Trustee Gauvreau: I don't have any issues with the application. I don't see why we can't proceed with the recommended motions today.

[1:23:56] Voice 13: Trustee David. Yeah, I'm sort of in the same place.

[1:24:02] Voice 13: In regards to the emergency access, I'm not sure why our staff would have to work with the CRD.

[1:24:08] Voice 13: I think there's more benefit in what we talked about actually earlier in the meeting of the CRD, the fire department, and the applicant discussing whether there's a feasible emergency access to the property.

[1:24:22] Voice 13: And if they can come to an agreement to put an emergency access through, they do it.

[1:24:26] Voice 13: I don't think at this point if we're going down that road with CRD, with the fire department, to develop emergency routes, we should let them do that.

[1:24:37] Voice 13: we should let them do that with the property owners I don't see why that we

[1:24:41] Voice 13: should use our staff and use staff time to be part of that process I'm looking

[1:24:47] Voice 13: forward to seeing what the emergency access map shows when it comes to us and

[1:24:51] Voice 13: it will be great moving forward you know on other applications but still I

[1:24:58] Voice 13: believe the the landowners the CRD and the fire department are the best people to

[1:25:05] Voice 13: address this issue

[1:25:05] Voice 14: i'm

[1:25:07] Voice 13: not i'm not sure that yeah so

[1:25:10] Voice 7: chair i think uh our role would be to

[1:25:12] Voice 7: facilitate that bring the parties together let them figure it out and then report back to the

[1:25:17] Voice 7: local trust committee yeah

[1:25:20] Voice 13: it's just that i'm not sure that there's any reason to have that

[1:25:23] Voice 13: prior to like in the application right probably

[1:25:26] Voice 7: a final consideration yeah that's right yeah

[1:25:30] Voice 13: i mean i think we should be relying on the fire department and crd they're the ones who hold all

[1:25:35] Voice 13: the liability for emergency accesses and I'd like to see them take the lead on that.

[1:25:43] Trustee Gauvreau: So it would be the staff or the applicant to change. I've got motion number six.

[1:25:48] Voice 13: I take it out. Just

[1:25:50] Trustee Gauvreau: take it out.

[1:25:50] Voice 13: I've removed motion number six.

[1:25:53] Trustee Gauvreau: I would be in favor of that.

[1:25:55] Voice 13: You're good to go? Oh yeah. Okay any

[1:25:58] Voice 13: further considerations before we consider a motion?

[1:26:03] Voice 13: I know I mean the only other thing I would say is you know here we have an opportunity

[1:26:09] Voice 13: when you look at south galliano um there's very few parcels now where we're going to be able to

[1:26:14] Voice 13: protect a large swath of land um this is one of those places right um you know to not develop

[1:26:25] Voice 13: you know a chunk of land right in the center of south galliano like that i think

[1:26:29] Voice 13: is a good thing right um you don't it's not until you get over to mount galliano

[1:26:35] Voice 13: and also that you run into properties that are going to be able to do this with so um yeah yeah

[1:26:42] Trustee Gauvreau: you have

[1:26:42] Voice 13: a high conservation value

[1:26:44] Voice 13: yeah probably 80 percent of it because

[1:26:46] Trustee Gauvreau: douglas for it's it's

[1:26:49] Trustee Gauvreau: at the end of the property um i'm a gallia local trust committee a bylaw number 291 cited as

[1:27:02] Trustee Gauvreau: galliano land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number one 2023 we ran the first time i'll second

[1:27:12] Voice 6: the motion second any discussion no i'm seeing you call the question all those in favor that

[1:27:19] Voice 13: carries i move that the galliano local island trust committee bylaw number 291 cited as galliano

[1:27:27] Voice 13: Galliano Island land use by-law number 1271999,

[1:27:31] Voice 13: amendment number 12023 be read for a second time.

[1:27:34] Voice 13: Moved.

[1:27:36] Voice 6: Seconded.

[1:27:37] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:27:39] Voice 6: I'll call the question.

[1:27:40] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[1:27:41] Voice 6: That carries.

[1:27:44] Trustee Gauvreau: I move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee

[1:27:46] Trustee Gauvreau: by-law number 291,

[1:27:48] Trustee Gauvreau: cited as the Galliano land use by-law number 271,

[1:27:52] Trustee Gauvreau: sorry, 127, 1999,

[1:27:55] Trustee Gauvreau: Amendment number 1, 2023 be read a third time.

[1:28:00] Voice 6: Moved.

[1:28:00] Voice 6: Second.

[1:28:01] Voice 6: Seconded.

[1:28:03] Voice 6: Call the question.

[1:28:04] Voice 6: All those in favor?

[1:28:06] Voice 13: Motion carries.

[1:28:07] Voice 13: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[1:28:09] Voice 13: has reviewed the Island's trust policy statement,

[1:28:12] Voice 13: directives only checklist,

[1:28:13] Voice 13: and determined that bylaw number 291 cited as

[1:28:17] Voice 13: Galliano Island land use bylaw number 1271999,

[1:28:21] Voice 13: amendment number 12023,

[1:28:23] Voice 13: three is not contrary or to or at variance with the honest trust policy statement moved second

[1:28:30] Voice 6: seconded discussion i'll call the question all those in favor motion carries i

[1:28:38] Trustee Gauvreau: move that the

[1:28:38] Trustee Gauvreau: galley local trust committee proposed bylaw 291 be forwarded to the secretary of the alice trust

[1:28:45] Trustee Gauvreau: or executive committee approval

[1:28:47] Voice 6: seconded uh call the question all those in favor

[1:28:53] Voice 13: Motion carries. I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee accept the covenant under

[1:28:59] Voice 13: section 219 of the Land Title Act from registered owner and strata laws 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5,

[1:29:05] Voice 13: district law 14 and designate the chair of the Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant for

[1:29:11] Voice 13: rezoning application GLRZ2023.1 prior to final adoption consideration. Moved. Seconded.

[1:29:19] Voice 6: call the question all those in favor and that carries as well okay so there is

[1:29:30] Voice 6: nothing further on applications and next we have the official committee plan and

[1:29:38] Voice 6: reviews of the app report attached at page 98 and I will turn it over to Robert

[1:29:43] Voice 6: Mr.

[1:29:44] Voice 7: Chair so this is a report to provide the LTC with some more specifics on options for the LTC review

[1:29:53] Voice 7: review specifically the work plan and to seek direction to proceed with a draft business case

[1:30:00] Voice 7: So previously the Local Trust Committee has decided, preliminarily, that the project should be a targeted review, focused on specific topics or areas.

[1:30:10] Voice 7: Staff has identified some

[1:30:13] Voice 7: potential topic areas in this report.

[1:30:17] Voice 7: They can be determined at the beginning of the budget, proposed a budget that would include, specifically for the first year only,

[1:30:26] Voice 7: like funding for First Patients Consultation, some capacity funding, some funding for legal advice if necessary,

[1:30:34] Voice 7: funding for community consultation, and does not anticipate hiring any external consultants or leaving any professional reports prepared.

[1:30:44] Voice 7: Draft work plans attached. If the LTC is generally in support, we're seeking direction to come back with a draft business case.

[1:30:58] Voice 13: Okay. I have one comment. Yes. I don't, for any reason, believe that the

[1:31:05] Voice 13: Island Trust Policy Statement will be passed. There's zero chance of that and so I'm

[1:31:13] Voice 13: not sure whether we need to have that in there. We can take that one off.

[1:31:17] Trustee Gauvreau: Just in case

[1:31:17] Voice 13: we need to take that off because that's not happening, but yeah, I'm good with everything else.

[1:31:24] Voice 6: Miracles could happen.

[1:31:27] Voice 6: Okay, so, yeah, the recommendation is to ask staff to report back with a draft business case.

[1:31:35] Voice 6: With

[1:31:35] Trustee Gauvreau: a business case, right?

[1:31:36] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah.

[1:31:37] Trustee Gauvreau: There was a recommendation there, too, about maybe referring them to the APC.

[1:31:41] Trustee Gauvreau: Right.

[1:31:42] Voice 13: As an

[1:31:42] Trustee Gauvreau: option, do we want to utilize the APC to help us pick

[1:31:47] Voice 13: the right topics?

[1:31:47] Voice 13: Yeah, I'm good with going to the ACP on this.

[1:31:49] Trustee Gauvreau: I think

[1:31:49] Trustee Gauvreau: that's very great.

[1:31:51] Trustee Gauvreau: There's a lot of topics there.

[1:31:52] Trustee Gauvreau: there's a lot of things you know

[1:31:55] Trustee Gauvreau: the things about the climate change housing reconciliation

[1:32:00] Trustee Gauvreau: there's there's lots of themes but there's also lots of sections that give you some some luck so

[1:32:08] Trustee Gauvreau: let's get the apc yeah

[1:32:11] Voice 13: let's refer to the apc and let's i mean we should do that yeah yeah

[1:32:16] Trustee Gauvreau: i think that'd be now for time we got lots of time i think right we have to get the budget

[1:32:21] Trustee Gauvreau: request in perhaps next march pretty much so or like well well

[1:32:25] Voice 6: it's best to be by the

[1:32:27] Trustee Gauvreau: end of the

[1:32:27] Trustee Gauvreau: year

[1:32:28] Voice 6: this fall so it's better

[1:32:29] Trustee Gauvreau: we have time maybe if

[1:32:30] Voice 6: you see they're

[1:32:31] Trustee Gauvreau: going to be quick they're not

[1:32:32] Trustee Gauvreau: being quick yeah right okay do

[1:32:35] Trustee Gauvreau: you want to hold off on

[1:32:36] Voice 6: the business case

[1:32:36] Trustee Gauvreau: then i don't think what

[1:32:39] Trustee Gauvreau: the timing wise i'm not sure would be the best i don't want to hold the process up in any way

[1:32:44] Trustee Gauvreau: so

[1:32:44] Voice 6: just being a sitting member of the financial planning committee

[1:32:48] Voice 6: My recommendation is that it's better to get the business case in and have to amend it than to try and get it in later.

[1:32:59] Voice 6: So I would recommend that you do the recommended motion and alternative to both of them.

[1:33:05] Voice 6: I don't think they're contradictory.

[1:33:07] Voice 6: No, I

[1:33:08] Voice 6: don't think so.

[1:33:09] Voice 6: And I think that's the best way to try and at least set us up for success.

[1:33:15] Voice 6: Yeah, so that's my, I recommend that you do both of those motions.

[1:33:26] Voice 13: Yeah, I'll move that report back at a future LDC meeting with the draft business case.

[1:33:32] Voice 13: Second.

[1:33:33] Voice 13: Seconded.

[1:33:34] Voice 13: All those in favour?

[1:33:36] Voice 13: And that carries.

[1:33:38] Voice 16: And then...

[1:33:40] Voice 13: Do we need to move to the Senate?

[1:33:43] Voice 13: There's a motion here.

[1:33:44] Voice 13: Is there a motion?

[1:33:45] Trustee Gauvreau: I move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee refer the OCP project staff reports to the Advisory Planning Commission and request that the APC provide the LTC with recommendations on topic areas for inclusion in the OCP review.

[1:34:09] Trustee Gauvreau: review.

[1:34:10] Voice 6: Excellent. Moved. Yeah, second. Seconded. Any further discussion? Call the question. All those in favor? And that carries it as well. Okay. Can I just ask, is the second town hall been taken off the agenda?

[1:34:33] Voice 6: No, it is on the agenda. It

[1:34:36] Voice 6: is, it is, we're getting close. Oh, okay. I didn't credit the

[1:34:41] Voice 17: last page, I guess that was.

[1:34:43] Voice 6: It's on there. Yeah.

[1:34:45] Voice 6: on there um and so uh we have the work program reports uh at page 103 so if there's anything

[1:34:54] Voice 6: from staff to highlight or any questions from the trustees anything highlight any questions

[1:35:00] Voice 6: okay similarly the future projects report anything there from anyone no

[1:35:06] Trustee Gauvreau: no no comment sir we have an

[1:35:08] Voice 6: Applications report from last month and anything there from any of them?

[1:35:17] Voice 13: Just on the two, those two applications we're anticipating they'll be on the July 85 and 86?

[1:35:24] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:35:24] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:35:25] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:35:27] Voice 6: Trustee Local Expense Report, Tax for Information as well as the Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions Report.

[1:35:37] Voice 6: and anything on the local trust committee web page

[1:35:41] Trustee Gauvreau: okay

[1:35:43] Voice 6: and then we have

[1:35:47] Voice 6: the honest trust conservancy report dated March and look to the chair of the

[1:35:52] Voice 6: honest trust conservancy if you'd like to add

[1:35:55] Trustee Gauvreau: anything. My opportunity to gush. I love to gush. IPC as we all know is our 35th anniversary this year so there's a lot of

[1:36:06] Trustee Gauvreau: events plan uh but yeah i don't give the full report now i just report out that um i'll be

[1:36:12] Trustee Gauvreau: appearing as the itc chair at the salt spring local trust committee meeting on june 5th via

[1:36:17] Trustee Gauvreau: zoo to provide a quarterly update i hope my book was over the next year or remainder of my term

[1:36:24] Trustee Gauvreau: they get out to other ltcs and spread the excellent work done at the ipc with uh

[1:36:31] Trustee Gauvreau: and share that with the communities on the board yeah

[1:36:34] Voice 6: and i will just add to that as the

[1:36:37] Voice 6: the chair of the salt spring local trust committee and and also the hornby local trust committee i

[1:36:42] Voice 6: think it's actually a great opportunity to have a chair that's willing to take time out of their

[1:36:47] Voice 6: busy schedule to to appear at those meetings and give a report with some some personality to it

[1:36:55] Voice 6: rather than uh just the the printed report that we usually just receive for information so i think it

[1:37:00] Voice 6: actually gives a little bit more highlighting to the work of this the

[1:37:04] Voice 6: trust conservancy so appreciate that our next meeting is scheduled for July 8th

[1:37:10] Voice 6: right here and we have an additional town hall so I'll look for a show of hands

[1:37:16] Voice 6: see if anyone like to speak earlier

[1:37:19] Voice 4: today mr. Springer mentioned difficulty

[1:37:28] Voice 4: difficulty in responding to the notice that he got through the TUC in terms of community

[1:37:38] Voice 4: consultation. So I guess I'm asking is that as a neighbor, what notification, what comes

[1:37:49] Voice 4: with the notification package from the LTC for a TUC, a rezoning, a variant permit, etc.

[1:37:58] Voice 4: What information do I, as an affected, potentially affected neighbor, get in order to start to

[1:38:09] Voice 4: make some informed comments that go back to the LTC and to the applicant?

[1:38:20] Voice 7: Here.

[1:38:21] Voice 7: Please.

[1:38:22] Voice 7: Let's go ahead and answer.

[1:38:24] Voice 7: So the notice, the notice includes a summary, sort of in a general way, this would allow

[1:38:31] Voice 7: the applicant to build, the owner to build a deck in a separate site, a plot line, how

[1:38:38] Voice 7: the planner is, and how to contact the planner with any questions, and the time, place, and

[1:38:44] Voice 7: date where the decision is going to be considered. And then it attaches the draft work.

[1:38:49] Voice 4: It does, is all of the information that goes, that we see when we come to these meetings,

[1:38:58] Voice 4: all the environmental studies the staff report etc is that also part of the

[1:39:05] Voice 4: package that goes to people to comment on? No because

[1:39:10] Voice 4: it hasn't been prepared yet

[1:39:11] Voice 7: so the notice has to come out a certain period of time in advance so the notice goes out

[1:39:16] Voice 7: the intent of a notice is to inform neighbours that a decision is being considered

[1:39:21] Voice 7: in a particular application. Like I said earlier, we would contact for questions and it's to

[1:39:30] Voice 7: elicit a comment from neighbours and so comments from the neighbours are part of the information

[1:39:38] Voice 7: that goes into the decision and along with staff report and professional reports and

[1:39:44] Voice 7: what the applicant themselves have put into their application in terms of their narrative.

[1:39:49] Voice 7: Now what most people do, if they're interested and they get a notice and they're curious and they're interested, they call and email the plan.

[1:39:56] Voice 7: And the planner explains the details of what's being proposed, can send them the specific plan, something like that.

[1:40:06] Voice 4: It seems to me that there is significant information vacuum that is filled within a week or two of that official notice going out.

[1:40:18] Voice 4: maybe it will take longer in terms of the staff reports that are done etc and if you really want

[1:40:25] Voice 4: to get a good informed response back then you need to get more information to those neighbors who

[1:40:34] Voice 4: are certainly more of most or could be most effective so is there a possibility of bringing

[1:40:43] Voice 4: the staff reports into that particular process that when the notification goes

[1:40:49] Voice 4: out says here's the application here's the staff report and assessment of it

[1:40:55] Voice 4: and all the other documentation so you can have that more informed look at the

[1:41:02] Voice 4: details that

[1:41:03] Voice 7: would be great the notices have to go out within a

[1:41:06] Voice 7: certain period of advance that pushes everything back to certain dates if we

[1:41:12] Voice 7: were to push the staff reports back to those dates that would do a couple of things one it would

[1:41:16] Voice 7: delay people's applications um so you'd be hearing you'd be complaining about your application not

[1:41:23] Voice 7: getting done in the timely manner and sometimes there's information provided by waivers uh that

[1:41:31] Voice 7: informs staff reporting um so the planner will you know not uh make comments or

[1:41:38] Voice 1: include a section

[1:41:40] Voice 1: There's a section

[1:41:40] Voice 7: in the template on results of circulation, this is what neighbours have said.

[1:41:46] Voice 9: Occasionally things come to light

[1:41:47] Voice 7: that we don't know about too, right?

[1:41:50] It

[1:41:50] Voice 7: can take a while.

[1:41:52] Voice 7: Let's defer this for another meeting because there's a whole building on the property that we weren't told about.

[1:41:58] Voice 4: I recognize that there is a conundrum and a timing issue,

[1:42:02] Voice 4: but it's just that you can get more basic information out earlier than hopefully the whole process is smoother.

[1:42:12] Voice 7: So with the portal, the website portal for applications, the applicant's plans and so on should be accessible through there.

[1:42:20] Voice 7: So some of that information is there. Like I said, yeah, it's always one or the other.

[1:42:27] Voice 7: and it's okay uh jennifer um yeah i just have i have two questions about um

[1:42:38] Voice 17: the pomberg application

[1:42:40] Voice 17: which isn't on the agenda today i realize but i just wanted to follow up on a question that i

[1:42:46] Voice 17: asked at the last lcd and um that was regarding the directives checklist where uh 4.4 freshwater

[1:42:55] Voice 17: water resources have been marked as non-applicable not applicable even though the application

[1:43:02] Voice 17: is including activities that would have quite significant water use and this property is above

[1:43:09] Voice 17: a community water system so I believe the response from planner Stockdale to my question was that the

[1:43:19] Voice 17: LTC could correct that on the directives checklist if they choose. So no further discussion of that happened at that meeting. I'm just wondering if that is being considered or will be considered?

[1:43:37] Voice 17: The

[1:43:40] Trustee Gauvreau: water management plan is still under review?

[1:43:43] Trustee Gauvreau: you yeah we

[1:43:45] Trustee Gauvreau: need to make that yeah yeah i

[1:43:48] Voice 17: understand a lot of

[1:43:50] Voice 17: information not yet gathered

[1:43:51] Voice 17: but it doesn't seem to make sense to mark freshwater resources and on the director's

[1:43:58] Voice 17: checklist as not applicable you could say leave it blank or or there may

[1:44:05] Voice 9: be some other notation

[1:44:06] Voice 9: application,

[1:44:07] Voice 17: but to say it's non-applicable to an application for industrial activities

[1:44:14] Voice 17: of this type, or commercial activities of this type, doesn't make any sense to me.

[1:44:20] Voice 17: We've

[1:44:21] Trustee Gauvreau: already passed that motion as an LTC, though, we voted.

[1:44:26] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:44:27] Trustee Gauvreau: we probably did. I mean, I think our answer

[1:44:29] Voice 13: was that because there's a water management

[1:44:31] Voice 13: plan in place that was maybe why it was a check like that because we all were there's a water

[1:44:36] Voice 13: management plan in place or being adopted right where

[1:44:41] Voice 17: is the water management well we're waiting

[1:44:43] Voice 13: for it to from the applicant right it's

[1:44:45] Voice 17: completely we don't have it yet yeah

[1:44:46] Voice 13: it's one of the conditions

[1:44:48] Voice 13: of the rezoning right yeah yeah yeah

[1:44:52] Voice 6: certainly nothing's going to proceed before we we get a

[1:44:56] Voice 6: chance to look at that and i don't know if it's so

[1:44:58] Voice 17: why is the directives checklist even included

[1:45:00] Voice 17: in the staff report than if it's if it's dependent on reports yet to be received like not applicable

[1:45:08] Voice 17: to you know a reasonable person means that directive has no bearing on that particular

[1:45:16] Voice 17: type of application well

[1:45:19] Voice 6: i could go on at length about the utility of the director's

[1:45:23] Voice 6: interpretation of the checklist i'm sure robert has even more experience on this than me but uh

[1:45:30] Voice 6: I mean, it's an imperfect system that is actually, there's some desire to make it a little less arcane, perhaps,

[1:45:40] Voice 6: and a little bit more common sense, accessible in that sense.

[1:45:45] Voice 6: But sorry, I

[1:45:46] Voice 6: cut you off.

[1:45:47] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:45:48] Voice 7: Yeah, and it's a specific direct policy not to increase intensity or density of use in areas known for quality or quantity of water issues.

[1:45:56] Voice 7: So it's not about the specific increase in intensity or density of use that's being proposed in relation to an area.

[1:46:09] Voice 7: Is it an area that's known to have quality or quantity?

[1:46:17] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:46:19] Voice 7: Decision based on the doorstep, based on the information that was in front of them.

[1:46:24] Voice 7: There you can go back and change it before you send it to executives.

[1:46:31] So then it came back and the water management plan changed

[1:46:35] Voice 7: the zoning to reduce the expense of opportunity.

[1:46:40] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:46:41] Voice 7: Yeah, my notes

[1:46:43] Trustee Gauvreau: say that makes no sense to

[1:46:45] Voice 17: me. How is it not applicable? It's a directive specific to freshwater resources on an application for a cidery, a winery, a brewery, a orchard, all heavy-duty water uses on that land. How is that directed? How can it be marked non-applicable?

[1:47:09] Voice 17: The LTC

[1:47:11] Voice 7: considers it not applicable in this particular circumstance because of the exact wording of that policy, directive policy.

[1:47:19] Voice 7: It's increasing the, not to increase the intensity or density of use in areas of issues.

[1:47:26] Voice 7: Those two elements there.

[1:47:30] Voice 7: You're saying there are no issues of water quantity or quality in that area?

[1:47:35] Voice 7: Not enough to cause the LTC.

[1:47:38] Trustee Gauvreau: Not for us to, yep.

[1:47:39] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah. We're getting a water management plan. It's a check mark on that. We'll get a water management plan as well so we can really dig into it.

[1:47:49] Trustee Gauvreau: That directive policy, I'm satisfied. We've looked at it. Now we're going to get a water management plan to explain a comprehensive water management.

[1:48:01] Trustee Gauvreau: Then we'll have that opportunity to discuss it through. If you want to go back and uncheck that box, we're still going to find out what we need to find out to move forward.

[1:48:10] Trustee Gauvreau: Okay,

[1:48:11] Voice 17: well, I have a second question then, and that pertains in municipalities where

[1:48:22] Voice 17: drought is causing serious water quantity problems, businesses that use significant

[1:48:29] Voice 17: amounts of fresh water have had their water use limited, and the seashell area would be

[1:48:35] Voice 9: an

[1:48:35] Voice 17: example of that so in the case of this application if for example there ended up being

[1:48:43] Voice 17: serious water quantity issues with the surrounding wells or the community water system

[1:48:51] Voice 17: what authority would be responsible for curtailing water use on on this property

[1:49:00] Voice 17: for the commercial uses that have been put forward.

[1:49:05] Trustee Gauvreau: Is that what the water license said you'll need?

[1:49:08] Trustee Gauvreau: So

[1:49:08] Voice 7: it's a commercial use that requires a provincial water license.

[1:49:13] Voice 7: There's a whole process for water

[1:49:15] Voice 7: licensing and there's provisions in the legislation

[1:49:19] Voice 7: and the regulations to address reuse of that license.

[1:49:22] Voice 7: Okay,

[1:49:24] Voice 17: it was just reported, actually, at a recent water webinar in Valleando by GW Solutions and William Shulga that the Water Sustainability Act is still in implementation phase, so it's not even fully available.

[1:49:43] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I know there's a lot of assumptions around there. I mean, anecdotally, I own a business. I've been trying to get a water license since 2019. I run a restaurant. That's a lot of water. I don't use enough water. The problem is that you don't need a license. I use less than 2,000 liters a day.

[1:50:04] Voice 13: Did you say 2,000 liters a day?

[1:50:06] Trustee Gauvreau: I use less than that.

[1:50:08] Trustee Gauvreau: I hope so.

[1:50:10] Trustee Gauvreau: But that's what residential users are allowed to use. So I use much less in my restaurant

[1:50:15] Trustee Gauvreau: and my home than a residential user would use. They won't issue a license for less than

[1:50:24] Trustee Gauvreau: domestic water usage. So that's an assumption again.

[1:50:27] Trustee Gauvreau: No,

[1:50:28] Voice 17: I understand that. I mean, if the community water system is suddenly having difficulties

[1:50:34] Voice 17: and they've had a critical load of aquifer warning before,

[1:50:38] Voice 17: you know, how are those first-in-time users going to be protected?

[1:50:48] Voice 13: Yeah, that's an interesting question because, I mean, the reality is if the applicant doesn't rezone,

[1:50:55] Voice 13: they are free, actually, to water their garden 24-7, 365 days a year.

[1:51:01] Voice 13: There's no limit on the water use that they could use if they didn't rezone.

[1:51:05] Voice 13: yeah

[1:51:05] Voice 17: as a domestic water

[1:51:06] Voice 13: user I mean

[1:51:08] Voice 13: I think one of the reasons we were going down the path of a

[1:51:12] Voice 13: of a water management plan prior as a condition of rezoning is to is to put a um you know a

[1:51:20] Voice 13: management plan around around the water because right now there isn't one as a domestic user

[1:51:25] Voice 13: and so um well

[1:51:26] Voice 17: it wouldn't be considered a domestic user with all those assignments

[1:51:30] Voice 17: No,

[1:51:30] Voice 13: I know that, but the rezoning application, the rezoning process allows us to do that.

[1:51:36] Voice 13: It allows us to have a water management plan in place, where currently there is none.

[1:51:42] Voice 17: Well, it's like comparing apples and oranges, you know, there's no such thing as density.

[1:51:47] Trustee Gauvreau: Well, if you're making

[1:51:47] Trustee Gauvreau: an assumption on the usage, you would assume that I would use more water in my restaurant,

[1:51:52] Trustee Gauvreau: but as it turns out, I do not. I use less water than the standard. So let's not assume it.

[1:51:59] Trustee Gauvreau: I'm

[1:52:00] Voice 13: going to think it would be helpful to see the water management plan.

[1:52:03] Trustee Gauvreau: Yes, it will.

[1:52:04] Voice 8: We'll be watching your time.

[1:52:06] Voice 8: Just to cut in, with breweries in Victoria, water usage is so great at breweries that it's one of their top three costs.

[1:52:17] Voice 8: The difference between a

[1:52:20] Voice 13: cidery and a brewery is really significant.

[1:52:24] Voice 8: It is a high water intensity. I don't have an opinion on it, but it is one of their highest costs in Victoria as water use because they pay for it.

[1:52:34] Voice 8: So it's not about 2,000 meters a day. It's a significant input.

[1:52:41] Voice 13: I think

[1:52:42] Voice 8: that's why we have an

[1:52:43] Voice 13: applicant amended from, like he's a sider, which is significant.

[1:52:47] Voice 17: it

[1:52:48] Voice 13: doesn't

[1:52:50] Voice 17: say that in the application it mentions winery brewery cidery all three

[1:52:55] Voice 17: it's possibilities i'm not

[1:52:56] Voice 17: suggesting that he would be doing all

[1:52:58] Voice 17: three but that's what's in

[1:53:00] Voice 17: the application it's not specific to any one of those well

[1:53:04] Voice 13: let's take a look at the water

[1:53:05] Voice 13: management plan because we'll know that will answer a bunch of the questions yeah

[1:53:09] Voice 13: actually

[1:53:10] Trustee Gauvreau: making the cider the liquid comes from the office

[1:53:13] Voice 17: well

[1:53:14] Trustee Gauvreau: you have a lot of equipment

[1:53:16] Trustee Gauvreau: But it has to be

[1:53:17] Voice 17: kept clean and maintained, and I have no

[1:53:20] Trustee Gauvreau: knowledge of how much water is required.

[1:53:22] Trustee Gauvreau: And it would be not only at a certain time of the year, which I think the water management plan could address,

[1:53:27] Trustee Gauvreau: which that was something that was on my radar.

[1:53:30] Trustee Gauvreau: But what time of the year is he going to be using the most water, right?

[1:53:35] Trustee Gauvreau: So he's going to do his harvest, and then he's going to process it, process the equipment,

[1:53:41] Trustee Gauvreau: and then he's not going to do that again until the next season.

[1:53:44] Trustee Gauvreau: So it's only at a certain time of the year.

[1:53:45] Trustee Gauvreau: So that's really where the concentrated high-dose water demand is going to come from.

[1:53:50] Trustee Gauvreau: During the

[1:53:50] Voice 17: time when we have most water problems.

[1:53:53] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, he's not making a

[1:53:53] Voice 17: sign every day.

[1:53:54] Voice 6: Well, that's a story of problems.

[1:53:57] Voice 6: Okay, we're getting pretty speculative here.

[1:53:59] Voice 6: And I'm

[1:54:01] Voice 17: just not sure that this

[1:54:02] Voice 6: needs to be in an official meeting, this discussion.

[1:54:05] Voice 6: Not that

[1:54:06] Voice 6: it's not fascinating.

[1:54:07] Voice 6: It

[1:54:07] Voice 17: just goes back to my original question.

[1:54:09] Voice 17: How is the directive 4.4 not applicable to this application?

[1:54:17] Voice 6: All right, if

[1:54:18] Voice 6: there's anyone else, or shall we just go ahead and adjourn and have any conversation we'd like to have?

[1:54:24] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, that would be a very interesting conversation.

[1:54:26] Trustee Gauvreau: All right,

[1:54:27] Voice 6: we'll call for adjournment then, and thank you everyone for coming out.

[1:54:33] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent.

[1:54:34] Voice 10: Thank you.