Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 10, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 12: I want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to

[0:00:04] Voice 8: gather here in the territory of many Coast Salish peoples, the stewards of these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:00:14] Voice 8: Every day, I

[0:00:16] Voice 12: reflect on the changes in the environment where we live, and I reflect on the displacement of First Nations peoples from their homes on these islands, and how much the environment has changed.

[0:00:34] Voice 12: in our settler society from when it was once.

[0:00:37] Voice 12: And I also reflect that in this time,

[0:00:44] Voice 12: it's important for us to build relationships,

[0:00:47] Voice 12: to actively listen and hear,

[0:00:52] Voice 12: and to be better neighbors and to be better people.

[0:01:00] Voice 12: So my name is Tim Peterson.

[0:01:01] Voice 12: I'm elected on Laskete Island,

[0:01:03] Voice 12: and I'm the chair of the Salt Spring Island

[0:01:05] Voice 12: Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:06] Voice 12: committee. With me today are local Salt Spring Island trustees, Jamie Harris and Laura Patrick.

[0:01:13] Voice 12: Also joining us today is the local community commission chair, Earl Rook. We appreciate

[0:01:18] Voice 12: you coming. Our staff here today, we have Rukima and Chris and Rob and Lisa is online

[0:01:28] Voice 12: as our meeting administrator and minute taker. This meeting is a forum for your local trust

[0:01:36] Voice 12: committee to discuss land use planning and relevant matters and there will be an opportunity

[0:01:44] Voice 12: for members of the

[0:01:46] Voice 8: public to address the local trust committee coming up fairly soon

[0:01:50] Voice 8: so first we do have an agenda before us and i'll look to trustees to see if there is anything that

[0:01:59] Voice 8: needs to be amended on the agenda trustee patrick yeah

[0:02:02] Voice 4: i wanted to add a discussion on

[0:02:05] Voice 4: on short-term rental enforcement

[0:02:09] Voice 4: and use of the piece of registry data.

[0:02:13] Voice 4: Okay,

[0:02:13] Voice 8: and should we put that in a new business

[0:02:20] Voice 8: at 17.3 then?

[0:02:23] Voice 6: Okay, anything else?

[0:02:37] Voice 8: Can I take it by general consent

[0:02:39] Voice 8: we will adopt the agenda as amended then?

[0:02:43] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[0:02:45] Voice 12: All right, so next is the Town Hall section.

[0:02:48] Voice 12: It's your opportunity to address the Local Trust Committee, we want to hear your questions

[0:02:53] Voice 12: and comments and

[0:02:55] Voice 8: applicants will have an opportunity to speak when we consider their applications.

[0:03:02] Voice 8: We ask that you direct your

[0:03:04] Voice 12: comments to the Local Trust Committee, not other members of

[0:03:07] Voice 12: the public or staff.

[0:03:09] Voice 12: Speak about the issues, not other individuals.

[0:03:12] Voice 12: Be clear, concise and respectful.

[0:03:16] Voice 12: And ideally item on today's agenda, items in stream, or at least items within the Islands

[0:03:27] Voice 12: Trust jurisdiction, if possible.

[0:03:32] Voice 8: And to make a notice, of course, this meeting is being live streamed and recorded, the recording

[0:03:37] Voice 8: will be available on the website in a matter of a week or so.

[0:03:45] Voice 12: So with that, I'm going to look for a show of hands to see how many people would like to address the local trust committee here.

[0:03:53] Voice 12: Okay, so I see we have a few.

[0:03:56] Voice 12: And given that we have a few, I'm going to use a timer to help guide us and keep us moving along.

[0:04:05] Voice 12: So

[0:04:06] Voice 8: I'm going to start in the back here.

[0:04:09] Voice 8: Ken, do you want to start?

[0:04:14] Voice 12: Good morning, everyone.

[0:04:15] Voice 12: Can I just ask you to come up a little bit closer? This unit here is recording, so this

[0:04:21] Voice 8: way people can hear you online or on the recording. Appreciate it.

[0:04:24] Voice 8: Yeah, good morning everyone. Traditional name, Sump Keem from Connecticut. I'm a fishery

[0:04:30] Voice 8: wildlife person for the band. I think I know some of you. I'm here today to talk about

[0:04:39] Voice 8: about the Baker Beach project, the bank stabilization.

[0:04:46] Voice 8: To our knowledge, we haven't received any contacts

[0:04:50] Voice 8: or invitations to be involved in it.

[0:04:53] Voice 8: And we think we had a couple months ago

[0:04:55] Voice 8: and the beach was a very convenient as well.

[0:04:57] Voice 8: But our concern is we have a shellfish tenure

[0:05:02] Voice 8: way below the site where the work's gonna take place.

[0:05:05] Voice 8: And, you know, one of the things is that tenure is there for economic opportunity for our community.

[0:05:15] Voice 8: And we would just like to see that being protected, that, you know, the resources are priceless.

[0:05:25] Voice 8: If there's any damage or any alteration to the beach, it could cause a lot of difficulties in habitat and in the ecosystem.

[0:05:34] Voice 8: system so um online if we're here we would like to you know see that area protected and to have

[0:05:43] Voice 8: an environmental monitoring uh in place to see what's there now and to see how it's affected

[0:05:52] Voice 8: later if we have work just to take place but uh you know right now i don't think uh we were

[0:06:03] Voice 8: supportive of it at this time until we see a plan and how it's going to be done and we are willing

[0:06:09] Voice 8: to come over and be a part of it you know to work the assessment and things like that we just want

[0:06:15] Voice 8: to see the ecosystem remain pristine you know for for our community's economic opportunities

[0:06:23] Voice 8: bees and harvest some food. As we all know, the harvesting areas for shellfish is getting

[0:06:31] Voice 8: smaller and smaller. We all have to find a clean beach to get a few oysters or a few

[0:06:37] Voice 8: clams. Whoever likes to go out and harvest clams and oysters, the difficulty in finding

[0:06:44] Voice 8: a clean beach, that's not a thing. We're all for keeping everything as pristine as

[0:06:53] Voice 8: possible and we're willing to work together we would like to be included in the group of

[0:06:59] Voice 8: communications for not only this project

[0:07:02] Voice 8: but projects in the future um our elders are so

[0:07:06] Voice 8: glad and talked about how this was our home base as well now that people have villages with you

[0:07:13] Voice 8: know the proofs in the ground with our ancestors following you

[0:07:17] Voice 6: know

[0:07:18] Voice 8: people that have been buried

[0:07:19] Voice 8: here for hundreds of years, thousands of years. We would just like to be included in all kinds of

[0:07:26] Voice 8: projects that's coming up. We could be a health club and I'm here with a young lady.

[0:07:36] Voice 8: She's working with a biological crew. She's a really good person to work with and you know these

[0:07:44] Voice 8: These areas of interest and work times could be beneficial to them to come out and work on these sites and gain knowledge of the area and to gain more experience.

[0:07:59] Voice 8: I'm just saying, Connecticut Tribe would like to be in on all issues coming up and try and help solve some of these issues together.

[0:08:11] Voice 8: and having said all that, we are going to be good neighbors, we're going to communicate,

[0:08:20] Voice 8: we're going to keep that going. And to be good neighbors, we've got to have the communication

[0:08:27] Voice 8: between all of us. That's just the tip of the iceberg I wanted to share right now.

[0:08:32] Voice 8: So, you know, I'd like to just say we're really concerned about what's going on there.

[0:08:41] Voice 8: We don't want to see any damage to our ecosystem.

[0:08:46] Voice 8: And we also would like to see a good result for the people that are concerned about the route.

[0:08:56] Voice 8: Keep us in the loop is all I ask.

[0:08:58] Voice 8: Thanks, Doug.

[0:09:00] Voice 8: Thank you, Doug.

[0:09:02] Voice 8: We're going to

[0:09:02] Voice 12: continue on this side.

[0:09:04] Voice 12: I think I saw a couple more hands in the same row at the back there.

[0:09:11] Voice 6: My

[0:09:12] Voice 8: name is Andrew Haig, I'm a former chairman of the advisory planning commission,

[0:09:16] Voice 8: and I would just like to urge you as a staff to make the report and state what they came up with.

[0:09:29] Voice 12: Thank you. And then next row up. Thank

[0:09:43] Voice 7: you for the opportunity to speak here.

[0:09:47] Voice 8: We are Gillian Kidd

[0:09:48] Voice 3: and Philip Grange and we live on High Hill Road. We've seen the

[0:09:55] Voice 8: letter of appeal that Trust has received regarding the development permit on Baker Road

[0:10:02] Voice 8: and we have a few comments. I'd like to say right away that we are very pleased

[0:10:12] Voice 8: to read the confirmation that the geotechnical stability of all the subject houses located

[0:10:21] Voice 8: located along the bluffs is in the report this must be very reassuring for the owners and for

[0:10:31] Voice 8: all of us as

[0:10:32] Voice 3: well we've been resident on Baker Road since 1976 so it will soon be 50 years would

[0:10:42] Voice 3: you believe we've been frequent visitors to this beach for all of that time in all seasons by the

[0:10:51] Voice 3: By the way, Jill's not going to say anything because she's got a bit of a sore tooth, so she's not standing here.

[0:11:01] Voice 3: Anyway, our observations over this long period of time that this beach has always been and is still in a wonderful natural and healthy condition.

[0:11:12] Voice 8: We do not agree that the beach and its marine habitat is any way degraded at this time.

[0:11:21] Voice 8: perhaps the study that's being suggested

[0:11:23] Voice 3: further can look into that more closely and show that

[0:11:27] Voice 3: can be true in fact we think that the bird and sea life is thriving along this beach

[0:11:34] Voice 3: we must keep it that way we support the trust decision not to grant this development permit

[0:11:42] Voice 3: the activities which which are entirely within the intertidal zone we've seen no examples of

[0:11:51] Voice 3: similar works below

[0:11:52] Voice 8: steep bluffs like this tried

[0:11:54] Voice 3: elsewhere with any reports of its long-term

[0:11:57] Voice 3: impacts so it's a bit of an unknown we feel we very much support a

[0:12:05] Voice 8: cautionary approach

[0:12:06] Voice 8: and considering impacts to our aquatic environment which we have to say that we as a community

[0:12:15] Voice 8: would be ultimately responsible and accountable i think about that word thank you very much thank

[0:12:24] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:12:25] Voice 8: So I give up to...

[0:12:26] Voice 8: Do

[0:12:26] Voice 6: you have a written question?

[0:12:30] Voice 8: Next to you, sir.

[0:12:33] I'm friends

[0:12:36] Voice 8: with a lot of people who live at home.

[0:12:37] Voice 8: They spend some time there, and I'm very concerned about this proposal.

[0:12:43] Voice 8: I'm going to stick with this decision on this.

[0:12:46] Voice 8: I noticed that a very expensive study, a search study, has been done by the comments,

[0:12:52] Voice 8: And I'd like to point out that there's been no independent study done that isn't done by someone hired by us.

[0:13:01] Voice 8: So there isn't information available at this point.

[0:13:05] Voice 8: So I urge you, if you consider to actually do some further studies by a person,

[0:13:12] also note that the study completely disregards the interests of First Nations people on this project.

[0:13:19] Voice 8: so thank you for the board uh sticking to the original decision thank you thank you

[0:13:27] Voice 8: uh anyone else on this side of the room okay then i'll go up here uh

[0:13:35] Voice 8: come on up whoever's in the furthest back row okay okay good

[0:13:43] Voice 6: morning

[0:13:48] Voice 8: local trustees my name

[0:13:50] Voice 8: is eric march and as you know from my past correspondence and speaking opportunities

[0:13:53] Voice 8: for the trust. I'm deeply concerned about the way preserver that intersects with the

[0:13:58] income and housing and quality of trust area, in particular in Salisbury Island. Obviously,

[0:14:03] Voice 8: I felt I had to speak at this LTC meeting where you're considering, on the one hand,

[0:14:07] Voice 8: should we allow a 50-minute affordable housing building on Kings Lane, and on the other hand,

[0:14:12] Voice 8: should we allow four wealthy property owners to amend the public beach? First of all, I

[0:14:17] Voice 8: would choose to move forward with the Kings Lane rezoning as quickly as possible. While

[0:14:21] Voice 8: While I have concerns about the LCP definition of affordable excluding middle-income earners,

[0:14:25] Voice 8: such as health care professionals or tradespeople, this seems like an excellent project and will

[0:14:30] Voice 8: provide much-needed affordable housing for 50 households of lower-income communities.

[0:14:35] Voice 8: Secondly, I'll continue to stick with the original staff decision on the Baker Beach

[0:14:39] Voice 8: development permit and deny it.

[0:14:41] When I spoke with the Trust Council in June, I stated several things that make me think

[0:14:45] of overdevelopment.

[0:14:46] One

[0:14:47] Voice 8: of them, the fact that the gross majority of waterfronts on Salisbury is privately owned

[0:14:50] Voice 8: and fantastically expensive, and therefore a lot from access for working-class residents and visitors.

[0:14:56] Voice 8: This is a perfect example of that type of overdevelopment. Four wealthy property owners

[0:15:00] Voice 8: have a BC assessment reporting property values of 2, 2.2, 2.6, and a whopping 4.2 million dollars.

[0:15:08] Voice 8: There's no other term for them. We're asking to temporarily shut down one of our few areas of

[0:15:12] Voice 8: public ocean access to bring in barges and heavy equipment for a construction project that benefits

[0:15:16] Voice 8: it's no one but themselves. While the public benefit of 50 more units of affordable housing

[0:15:21] is undeniable, I failed to see the public

[0:15:23] Voice 8: good of shutting down a public beach during the summer

[0:15:25] Voice 8: to protect four property owners experiencing the natural process of erosion. These advocates chose

[0:15:31] to buy oceanfront property. I suggest that if they want properties without erosion, perhaps

[0:15:35] oceanfront was not the right choice, and it is

[0:15:37] Voice 8: not the trust job to protect them from that choice.

[0:15:46] Voice 8: I'm going to continue this way, whoever's closest to the back next, come on up, I think

[0:15:57] Voice 8: that might be good for the half, yeah.

[0:16:02] Voice 8: Just

[0:16:02] Voice 3: like to talk about Baker Beach a little bit, and from a marine science point of view,

[0:16:09] Voice 3: to what happens on Baker Beach in mid-May every year.

[0:16:16] Voice 3: There's a vast number of eagles and herons come to spawn,

[0:16:23] Voice 3: to eat the midshipmen which come from deep water

[0:16:29] Voice 3: and use that whole area of Baker Beach

[0:16:33] Voice 3: for spawning and reproduction.

[0:16:36] Voice 3: production. It's a real sight to see and it would be something if the environmental impact

[0:16:43] Voice 3: of this proposal changes, which it will do, which will change the environment there, to

[0:16:51] Voice 3: be a great sadness. It's something that's really special that we can see on Salt Spring

[0:16:57] Voice 3: One of the fantastic things in the natural environment, while I feel the people who are

[0:17:08] Voice 3: proposing this, of course one feels for them if their land is in some kind of problem,

[0:17:14] Voice 3: but the problem is in the land, it's not on the shoreline, and that this can be fixed

[0:17:21] Voice 3: on the land rather than messing up the shoreline.

[0:17:25] Voice 3: The other thing is that with all those lorry loads or truck loads of gravel and so on,

[0:17:32] Voice 3: they're eventually going to just dissipate into the environment with really poor results.

[0:17:39] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:17:42] Voice 8: No clapping please. Also no booing.

[0:17:48] Voice 12: So

[0:17:49] Voice 8: next, closest to the back, I know I saw another guy back there.

[0:17:54] Voice 8: Did I? Yes, go ahead. Yes,

[0:17:58] Voice 9: thank you for hearing this. I'm also opposed to what would potentially

[0:18:04] Voice 9: happen to be this addition of beach nourishment, as it's called. I'm feeling like we're just

[0:18:12] Voice 9: learning a lot about how that does impact beaches now. There's been examples in places like Croatia

[0:18:20] Voice 9: and other parts of the world where it's creating dead zones after it's applied you know for making

[0:18:29] Voice 9: these sort of artificial beaches. So it has to be exactly what the beach needs in terms of the

[0:18:37] Voice 9: size of the sediment and the actual chemistry. So it's not just sort of putting on a random

[0:18:53] Voice 9: Yeah, it has to be so engineered and it's not happening in this case,

[0:18:59] Voice 6: like,

[0:19:01] Voice 9: you know,

[0:19:04] Voice 9: just say, but at this time, I support all the other views that have been presented.

[0:19:09] Voice 9: I won't.

[0:19:11] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:19:13] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:19:14] Voice 8: And then I think it's, yes.

[0:19:16] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:19:19] Voice 19: Good morning.

[0:19:23] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:19:24] Voice 19: I'm speaking without prejudice.

[0:19:27] Voice 19: And I

[0:19:27] Voice 19: want the trustees of the LTC to know that I am in full support of the decision to deny the Baker Beach project application.

[0:19:39] Voice 19: And I urge you to uphold this decision and to deny the appeal.

[0:19:44] Voice 19: In addition, I have three requests for the trustees.

[0:19:48] Voice 19: One, I urge you to take back the authority you have assigned to the trust planners regarding decisions for DPA-3 applications.

[0:20:01] Voice 19: Planners' involvement is essential.

[0:20:05] Voice 19: However, as trustees, the public has voted for you.

[0:20:11] Voice 19: And in these sensitive areas of decision-making, I ask that you keep that power and authority.

[0:20:21] Voice 19: Two, I call on trustees to work towards significant changes to the development permit application process.

[0:20:30] Voice 19: The building, sorry, island beaches are public for sure.

[0:20:37] Voice 19: At present, unfair advantage is given to applicants.

[0:20:43] Voice 19: The public needs earlier notification of an application, equivalent time to respond, as well as equal access to plans.

[0:20:56] Voice 19: Professional reliance is no longer a feasible concept.

[0:21:01] Voice 19: When people who live near visit daily and observe the beach over decades or for time immemorial, as First Nations people have, they have not been recognized, they've been marginalized and unrequested as reliable sources of information.

[0:21:26] Voice 19: nation. Additionally, taking more time than is imaginable, which I'm quoting Rob Barrow,

[0:21:36] Voice 19: to include First Nations should be an integral part of the process. Decisions should not be

[0:21:43] Voice 19: made under pressure of arbitrary timelines or lawsuits. Applicants need to be made aware that

[0:21:52] Voice 19: that there are considerations

[0:21:55] Voice 19: beyond their own sense of urgency.

[0:21:59] Voice 19: Trustees must work with the provincial government

[0:22:02] Voice 19: to amend the DPA-free process

[0:22:06] Voice 19: as greater demand will be placed on the trust

[0:22:08] Voice 19: to issue permits that have potential to change

[0:22:12] Voice 19: and damage our island's coastline.

[0:22:15] Voice 19: And thirdly, I ask that you work with our MLA,

[0:22:21] Voice 19: and hold him accountable to his word for helping the trust gain additional money

[0:22:28] Voice 19: to help better include the 31 First Nations in the trust area in decisions about changes to

[0:22:38] Voice 19: foreshore. Money is needed both for the trust and for First Nations Council.

[0:22:45] Voice 19: Council. I thank you for your good work and for keeping, preserve and protect your guns.

[0:22:55] Voice 8: Thank you. Anyone else in that row? Yes.

[0:22:59] Voice 8: Thanks very much for your welcome. It's really a

[0:23:07] Voice 8: privilege to come and speak to you this morning.

[0:23:09] Voice 8: me. Sorry, I'm a little bit gruff. Does everybody hear me? Regarding the, by the way, I've lived

[0:23:21] Voice 8: on South Springs since 1975. And our first home was on Rainbow Road on the water, a rental that

[0:23:29] Voice 8: we looked across to Baker. So that's the extent. It's been a long time, 50 years. So regarding the

[0:23:37] Voice 8: the appeal of the trust decision to deny a development permit for the Baker Beach erosion

[0:23:44] Voice 8: control project. I understand that on May 22nd, Mr. Fossum of the Aurora Professional Group made

[0:23:52] Voice 8: inquiries to the Ministry of Water, Lands and Resource Stewardship about submitting a new

[0:23:58] Voice 8: radical revised plan that he is proposing for erosion control on the foreshore of Baker Beach.

[0:24:05] Voice 8: and i have a link here and i think rob has the communication um so my comment is is uh

[0:24:17] Voice 8: by even suggesting this revision i would submit to you that the new procedures mr fawson envisions

[0:24:24] Voice 8: are an acknowledgement of the shortcomings of his original plan and i have a question

[0:24:32] Voice 8: are the trustees and planners aware of this and considering this can the trustees and planners

[0:24:39] Voice 8: tell us why his appeal should not be summarily disqualified thank you very much

[0:24:46] Voice 6: good

[0:24:48] Voice 8: uh maxine

[0:24:51] Voice 6: i

[0:24:54] Voice 11: want to talk briefly about affordable housing there's a proposal that's being circulated

[0:25:01] Voice 11: publicly uh very well-meaning uh about uh something that could be done to help with

[0:25:08] Voice 11: affordable housing but i think it has more negative ramifications than positive and i'm

[0:25:15] Voice 11: asking you to reach out to the public and inform them about this the proposal is to rezone

[0:25:23] Voice 11: zone Ganges in advance and maybe some of you haven't seen it it's been on it's been public

[0:25:31] Voice 11: in reports and uh on the web I can give you the connections and my concern is that

[0:25:41] Voice 11: as far as I know correct me if I'm wrong there is no zoning designation for a four-door house

[0:25:47] Voice 11: it's not a designation that can be made what can be made is a designation for

[0:25:52] Voice 11: for multi-unit housing.

[0:25:55] Voice 11: And if the trust were to rezone Ganchis

[0:25:59] Voice 11: for multi-unit housing,

[0:26:00] Voice 11: there would be no guarantee

[0:26:02] Voice 11: that that housing would be affordable.

[0:26:05] Voice 11: Because the way,

[0:26:06] Voice 11: which is what the public needs to be told,

[0:26:08] Voice 11: the way you get affordable housing

[0:26:10] Voice 11: is when a proponent comes forward and asks for rezoning,

[0:26:14] Voice 11: you make the covenant housing agreement

[0:26:17] Voice 11: for affordable housing contingent

[0:26:20] Voice 11: upon granting the rezoning.

[0:26:23] Voice 11: And I'm not aware of another way to do that.

[0:26:28] Voice 11: So if you rezone Kanjis for multi-unit housing,

[0:26:32] Voice 11: everyone there has by right

[0:26:33] Voice 11: can build multi-party family housing of any type,

[0:26:37] Voice 11: including very expensive housing,

[0:26:39] Voice 11: which there is a demand for.

[0:26:41] Voice 11: We only have 300 units

[0:26:45] Voice 11: that have been given to us of water for Kanjis.

[0:26:47] Voice 11: As just my personal opinion,

[0:26:49] Voice 11: it every single one of those 300 should go for affordable housing and by that I include worker

[0:26:55] Voice 11: housing

[0:26:56] Voice 6: uh

[0:26:58] Voice 11: and so I worry about losing those those 300 units to expensive housing and you might think

[0:27:09] Voice 11: oh there's no market for that I've had several people who own houses here on Ganges come to me

[0:27:16] Voice 11: and say, oh, we'd like to live in Ganchis.

[0:27:19] Voice 11: We need more housing in Ganchis that we can buy

[0:27:21] Voice 11: because when we can't drive, we'd like to live there.

[0:27:25] Voice 11: So there are plenty of people who want that.

[0:27:27] Voice 11: But if the housing is to go for those 300 units

[0:27:31] Voice 11: for four rooms, we cannot just lease on Ganchis.

[0:27:35] Voice 11: And the other reason this is a problem

[0:27:38] Voice 11: is that people are very well-mean

[0:27:40] Voice 11: and they come to meetings and they make these proposals.

[0:27:43] Voice 11: proposals and then you know if you at were to do the proposal it would be a problem i've just

[0:27:49] Voice 11: explained if you don't do the proposal people say we came to the meeting we made this proposal and

[0:27:54] Voice 11: you didn't do it

[0:27:55] Voice 11: and they don't know why so there needs to be a process that when people make

[0:28:01] Voice 11: proposals at meetings somebody stands up and says there's a problem with that proposal so that

[0:28:08] Voice 11: everybody hears and that's why i'm here today so that people in the audience and people listening

[0:28:14] Voice 11: is taking care there's a problem with this proposal it's not going to bring us affordable

[0:28:18] Voice 11: housing that's what i want to say thank you thank

[0:28:24] Voice 9: you yeah um

[0:28:26] Voice 16: i guess uh because eric mentioned about

[0:28:30] Voice 16: about the King's Lane idea,

[0:28:33] Voice 16: about that which has changed its idea

[0:28:36] Voice 16: to become affordable housing,

[0:28:39] Voice 16: then that sets me off to want to talk

[0:28:41] Voice 16: about housing covenants and housing agreements

[0:28:45] Voice 16: and to hopefully continue to put in my two cents

[0:28:51] Voice 16: that like with the definition of the word affordable,

[0:28:54] Voice 16: it has been changed to mean non-market housing.

[0:28:58] Voice 16: that's generally how it's seen provincially but whether it in fact is meeting the needs

[0:29:05] Voice 16: for affordability for salt spring is another matter because usually by the point when the

[0:29:11] Voice 16: housing is built it is automatically going to be too expensive either for purchase or for

[0:29:17] Voice 16: renting to really hit the sweet spot for those families that we hope to be able to house with

[0:29:24] Voice 16: the people with their jobs where they're not actually making enough to afford most of the

[0:29:31] Voice 16: rentals that are being already produced um even like in sanich a lot of people can't afford

[0:29:37] Voice 16: those rentals so i i just i'm just following this i'm appreciative of all the work the

[0:29:43] Voice 16: administration has done with the two task forces the ganges uh village task force and the housing

[0:29:49] Voice 16: task force and I'm appreciative of all the outreach like to the CRD because I

[0:29:55] Voice 16: realized that it's part of a whole complete plan and we have

[0:30:00] Voice 16: some real issues here on salt spring with amenities for the people like for families like

[0:30:07] Voice 16: even with um there's a big it's a big picture and i appreciate all the outreach that's going on and

[0:30:13] Voice 16: outreach that you guys are

[0:30:14] Voice 16: doing to to work to connect with the mla and i i'm just following it

[0:30:21] Voice 16: i'm happy for the beginning of the official community plan um input process and it is

[0:30:27] Voice 16: important to me about housing covenants and housing agreements that are made as a contingent

[0:30:36] Voice 16: part of a housing going forward thank you okay

[0:30:41] Voice 8: thank you for that is there anyone else hasn't

[0:30:44] Voice 8: spoken like yes hi

[0:30:53] Voice 10: my name is diana johnson and i wrote a letter to you um about the baker beach

[0:30:59] Voice 10: erosion project and I'm just up here my printer didn't work and I didn't know

[0:31:05] Voice 10: how to talk so I didn't think I'd talk but I want to support the denial of the

[0:31:14] Voice 10: appeal or denial of the DPA and one of the points I made in my letter was there

[0:31:23] Voice 10: There was nowhere in their letter of appeal

[0:31:28] Voice 10: that they spoke of the First Nations.

[0:31:30] Voice 10: There's nothing there.

[0:31:32] Voice 10: And they really, they put all the decisions

[0:31:36] Voice 10: leading to the First Nations now.

[0:31:39] Voice 10: Thank you for your previous non-approval

[0:31:48] Voice 10: of their project.

[0:31:50] Voice 10: And that's

[0:31:51] Voice 8: all I need to say.

[0:31:52] Voice 10: thank

[0:31:52] Voice 8: you anyone else before we move on okay don't get the marker

[0:32:04] Voice 9: kathleen mason and i'm here representing nature salt spring

[0:32:08] Voice 9: um i would

[0:32:10] Voice 7: just like to talk a little bit about the delicate nature of the beach

[0:32:15] Voice 7: bigger beach in that it it takes centuries and centuries to set up the environment that is there

[0:32:24] Voice 7: which is functioning so beautifully at this time when the plankton midshipmen are coming

[0:32:30] Voice 19: up from the depths and find their nesting spots we are

[0:32:35] Voice 7: learning that they will return to the same

[0:32:38] Voice 7: nesting spot so to disturb that beach would be criminal in a sense the plankton midshipmen are

[0:32:47] Voice 7: also

[0:32:47] Voice 19: found in the majority to be the fish that is the most important in the nests of our eagles in

[0:32:56] Voice 19: the area. They're far more abundant in bones that are found

[0:33:01] Voice 7: in those nests than other fish in our

[0:33:04] Voice 7: area. Also, just to talk about the delicate balance of the eelgrass, that to bring in

[0:33:16] Voice 9: fill from that beach would be to disturb that balance of the eelgrass, which supports so

[0:33:25] Voice 9: many different fish. We do, with Nature's Salspring, we bring children, we bring owls

[0:33:32] Voice 9: down to the beach for our explorations and we do same pools that and so pulling from those areas of

[0:33:42] Voice 9: eelgrass

[0:33:43] Voice 7: is it is remarkable it's

[0:33:45] Voice 9: extraordinary what we're able to

[0:33:48] Voice 7: find to little different

[0:33:49] Voice 16: species and larva and things nature nature cannot

[0:33:55] Voice 7: be disrupted in a manner that we think

[0:34:00] Voice 7: it can be with putting fill onto that beach and disturbing it it would take eons it would take

[0:34:07] Voice 7: a long time before that balance is restored our eagles our herons our herons that come in may as

[0:34:16] Voice 7: someone has pointed out in numbers to that beach there are species of concern now on our coast

[0:34:22] Voice 7: we must give respect to them

[0:34:24] Voice 9: so i appreciate the decision that was that has been made and i hope

[0:34:30] Voice 9: that you will stay with that decision thank you for this opportunity thank

[0:34:35] Voice 8: you all right check

[0:34:38] Voice 8: one more time before we move on okay

[0:34:42] Voice 12: well i appreciate uh all of your comments this morning

[0:34:46] Voice 12: um so next up is the trustee report section

[0:34:50] Voice 12: a

[0:34:51] Voice 8: couple of uh things that have happened in the recent history uh trust council we just had

[0:35:04] Voice 8: i think a huge consequence in my opinion happened there we did have the green mla get up and speak

[0:35:14] Voice 8: speak, and he offered kind of maybe contradictory opinions as to what he presented to the community

[0:35:27] in the Driftwood Articulate, and prior to that

[0:35:31] Voice 3: stated the trustees of the Island's Trust

[0:35:33] Voice 3: didn't have a mandate to do what we were doing, but then going up with the Trust Council and

[0:35:38] Voice 3: stated the opposite, so I'm not really sure what to make of that.

[0:35:42] Voice 3: well. Another interesting

[0:35:45] Voice 8: thing that happened recently is I was thrown out of a committee

[0:35:49] Voice 8: meeting for commonly using the words contradictory and hypocritical. I think it shines a light

[0:35:55] Voice 8: on the glaring undemocratic representation aspect that we have. The Allen's Trust is

[0:36:00] Voice 8: the chair of that committee that threw me out and was elected

[0:36:04] Voice 3: on pender with a very

[0:36:06] Voice 3: small amount of folks so i'll just leave that there and um as far

[0:36:14] Voice 8: as um you know things horrible

[0:36:15] Voice 8: things that have happened i want to thank everybody that came today for speaking what

[0:36:20] Voice 8: they wanted to say and see you just about that um

[0:36:28] Voice 4: i'll just start with the uh feels like we've

[0:36:32] Voice 4: been talking about it

[0:36:32] Voice 18: for years but the ocp landing spa

[0:36:35] Voice 4: update project is really about to

[0:36:39] Voice 4: begin we have a consulting team that is busy working away already reviewing all of the

[0:36:44] Voice 4: materials and getting ready for going out to public engagement this this fall so I'm excited

[0:36:51] Voice 4: and I know Planner Buchan here is expertly managing this project and I'm excited for

[0:36:59] Voice 6: many

[0:37:00] Voice 4: of you and I'm thrilled to see your passion for you know our our shorelines the protections

[0:37:08] Voice 4: directions and a future and a future that is very much different and works in relationship with

[0:37:16] Voice 4: first nations and our ocp land use bylaw project is an opportunity to improve the delivery of

[0:37:25] Voice 4: our you know our bylaws our methods our ways of working together as a community and i really

[0:37:31] Voice 4: encourage you to participate bring your ideas bring your thoughts how things were done in the

[0:37:37] Voice 4: the past doesn't mean that's how we do them in the future. And this is our opportunity to make

[0:37:42] Voice 4: some of those corrections. So please embrace the process, get involved. We want to hear from you

[0:37:47] Voice 4: and what you have to share and bring to the table is critically important. And we, not that

[0:37:55] Voice 4: everything's going to be addressed in this round, but things that are brought up sort of begin to

[0:38:00] Voice 4: establish the priorities for the next steps and the next steps and the next steps as we work

[0:38:04] Voice 4: together to constantly improve the processes that we have. I just wanted to

[0:38:12] Voice 4: report on a number of things locally. I attended the feast with the Sayo First

[0:38:17] Voice 4: Nation Council and staff and we're grateful for sharing a meal and an

[0:38:25] Voice 4: an evening of dance and storytelling with Sailfish Nation.

[0:38:33] Voice 4: I attended our Advisory Planning Commission

[0:38:37] Voice 4: and our Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission meetings

[0:38:40] Voice 4: at Trust Council.

[0:38:42] Voice 4: I chaired the recent June Trust Council meeting

[0:38:46] Voice 4: right here on Salt Spring.

[0:38:48] Voice 4: And I thank all the Salt Springers

[0:38:51] Voice 4: for welcoming the 26 trustees.

[0:38:53] Voice 4: They had really good attendance

[0:38:54] Voice 4: and they got to see the island and experience our lovely construction but that's that's okay

[0:39:02] Voice 4: um i chaired the gambier and gabriella island local trust committees which i've

[0:39:07] Voice 4: taken on now in this new role both of them have ocp projects going on um how sound and gambier

[0:39:15] Voice 4: if you haven't seen it there's a recent new agreement that was just announced by the province

[0:39:20] Voice 4: a stewardship agreement with the Swamish First Nation

[0:39:24] Voice 4: and involving many of the islands there in the house sound

[0:39:27] Voice 4: and a representation of new ways

[0:39:31] Voice 4: of working together going forward.

[0:39:36] Voice 4: So chair, at least one executive meeting

[0:39:39] Voice 4: since our last meeting.

[0:39:41] Voice 4: We had a very long committee of the whole meeting

[0:39:46] Voice 4: of trust council yesterday on the trust policy statement

[0:39:49] Voice 4: of going through the working draft

[0:39:52] Voice 4: and it was forwarded to a trust council

[0:39:57] Voice 4: for consideration of first reading.

[0:40:00] Voice 4: So I think it was an awful lot of work

[0:40:02] Voice 4: since it got kicked off in 2017.

[0:40:08] Voice 4: And it will be, if first reading's proceeding,

[0:40:11] Voice 4: then it comes out for an engagement process

[0:40:13] Voice 4: with all of you and your chance to look at it.

[0:40:16] Voice 4: And those are the general policies

[0:40:18] Voice 4: that guide the work that we do.

[0:40:20] Voice 4: Regionally, I met with Rob Botterall. We had a lovely dinner and spent time together.

[0:40:26] Voice 4: And also I attended the Southern Gulf Island Forum.

[0:40:30] Voice 4: One of the big activities we're working toward is an international meeting of our counterparts from the San Juan Islands,

[0:40:40] Voice 4: as well as all the elected officials on this side

[0:40:45] Voice 4: from the electoral area and hopefully the LCC,

[0:40:52] Voice 4: as well as our MLA and MP and their counterparts.

[0:40:59] Voice 4: And we're going to be focusing on marine

[0:41:01] Voice 4: and I think economic relationships

[0:41:04] Voice 4: between the region of the San Juan Islands

[0:41:07] Voice 4: and the Gulf Islands.

[0:41:08] Voice 4: and that'll be happening this fall and that's my report okay

[0:41:16] Voice 8: thank you so for my chair support uh

[0:41:20] Voice 8: touching

[0:41:20] Voice 12: briefly on a couple of things um trust council in june um adopted bylaw wonder number

[0:41:31] Voice 12: 197 which is a meaning procedures bylaw for all

[0:41:36] Voice 8: the local trust committees which supersedes the

[0:41:39] Voice 8: individual meeting procedures bylaws so we

[0:41:47] Voice 12: have an item on our agenda today around that

[0:41:53] Voice 12: trustee patrick mentioned the policy statement amendment project

[0:41:59] Voice 12: indeed the trust council has a meeting scheduled for july 29th to consider first reading

[0:42:06] Voice 12: Back at our June Trust Council, the strategic plan was amended by including a key initiative

[0:42:15] Voice 12: to work with Indigenous Governing Bodies to co-design and implement future policy statement

[0:42:19] Voice 12: of review processes that ensure ongoing and more regular amendment of the policy statement.

[0:42:26] Voice 12: For those that are aware, the policy statement has been around 30 years since it had a significant

[0:42:33] Voice 12: a significant review. This is obviously not the best practice to keep the policy statement

[0:42:42] Voice 12: up to date and relevant. So certainly my hope is that following a potential first reading

[0:42:50] Voice 12: by press council and engagement with the public that the potential adoption of a new policy

[0:42:58] Voice 12: statement will be followed up by regular reviews and more incremental not huge giant projects

[0:43:05] Voice 12: and I think the advantage of more regular reviews that are more targeted will be for one there will

[0:43:13] Voice 12: be less volume of subjects to to discuss and I think those discussions will be more focused and

[0:43:20] Voice 12: I think it'll be it'll be smaller more discrete projects but I think it'll be easier to focus on

[0:43:28] Voice 12: those individual amendments as as those come up as appropriate

[0:43:33] Voice 12: um a note that the um southern gulf

[0:43:41] Voice 12: islands forum met uh um last week week before gosh uh we heard updates from um islands trust trustees

[0:43:52] Voice 12: from the Member of Parliament, Elizabeth May,

[0:43:56] Voice 12: Emily Rob Bonnerill, and

[0:43:58] Voice 8: CCRD Director Paul Brent,

[0:44:01] Voice 8: some discussion on Ministry of Transportation

[0:44:03] Voice 12: issues

[0:44:05] Voice 12: on the islands, Forever Chemicals.

[0:44:10] Voice 12: And it's just a really useful forum, I think,

[0:44:13] Voice 12: for

[0:44:14] Voice 8: all levels of elected folks to get together

[0:44:21] Voice 8: and discuss some of the issues that we have in common um and i

[0:44:31] Voice 12: think that i will leave it at that

[0:44:33] Voice 12: today um so next up we have the chair of

[0:44:39] Voice 8: the island stress conservancy joining us

[0:44:42] Voice 8: um and uh lisa govro and uh to to give us an

[0:44:48] Voice 12: update on what's happening with the conservancy

[0:44:50] Voice 12: We really appreciate you coming and making the time to

[0:44:54] Voice 8: come and share with the local trust committees and members of the public.

[0:44:59] Voice 8: Welcome.

[0:45:00] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:45:01] Voice 18: Good morning, everyone.

[0:45:03] Voice 18: Very happy to be here.

[0:45:05] Voice 18: I must say I really enjoy listening to the chair reports and the trustee reports in the town hall.

[0:45:13] Voice 18: It's been definitely an unexpected highlight of attending these LTC meetings.

[0:45:18] Voice 18: meetings. Well, good morning, everybody. Thank you for having me. I'm joining you from Galliano

[0:45:24] Voice 18: Island, which is a core territory of the Penelakut tribe, where I serve as local trustee, and I'm the

[0:45:31] Voice 18: chair of the Islands Trust Conservancy Board. It's been a busy and meaningful few months at

[0:45:36] Voice 18: the Conservancy, so I'll share a few highlights from our recent board meeting and some of the

[0:45:42] Voice 18: broader work that we're doing across the region. This year, the Islands Trust Conservancy is

[0:45:47] Voice 18: celebrating 35 years of conservation in the trust area and we're taking time to reflect on what this

[0:45:54] Voice 18: work has meant not just in terms of protected places but in terms of relationships and

[0:46:00] Voice 18: partnerships and trusts that we've built over time working with communities the island's trust

[0:46:06] Voice 18: conservancy has been entrusted to protect 115 private properties totaling in 1380 hectares

[0:46:15] Voice 18: through conservation covenants which are 81 and through donations to nature reserves which are 34

[0:46:21] Voice 18: nature reserves to mark this anniversary we've launched a campaign last january with a media

[0:46:28] Voice 18: release and we have reached over 40 000 people so far there's print ads throughout newspapers

[0:46:35] Voice 18: across the islands and we'll continue that throughout the year and at june uh yeah trust

[0:46:42] Voice 18: Trust Council on Salt Spring.

[0:46:44] Voice 18: Last June, we hosted a slideshow presentation

[0:46:46] Voice 18: and we enjoyed cupcakes.

[0:46:50] Voice 18: We also launched The Journal, which is a new online blog,

[0:46:54] Voice 18: sharing deeper stories of conservation.

[0:46:56] Voice 18: 10 blog posts are already lined up,

[0:46:59] Voice 18: including features on species at risk, donor contributions,

[0:47:04] Voice 18: and two stories that are directly connected

[0:47:06] Voice 18: to the 35th anniversary.

[0:47:09] Voice 18: The Heron Newsletter also was launched last spring.

[0:47:12] Voice 18: reaching over 800 subscribers 150 organizations and households we're planning to present at all

[0:47:20] Voice 18: fall fairs and local events across the islands in august and september we're making a point to

[0:47:25] Voice 18: get out and meet people where they are as you may have seen um the exciting news recently the

[0:47:33] Voice 18: islands trust conservancy has received a 1.15 million dollar donation in support of land

[0:47:40] Voice 18: and conservation in the trust area.

[0:47:43] Voice 18: This is one of the largest private donations

[0:47:45] Voice 18: in our history and it'll support both acquisition,

[0:47:49] Voice 18: long-term care of protected places.

[0:47:52] Voice 18: The generosity of this anonymous donation reflects

[0:47:55] Voice 18: not only a love for our islands,

[0:47:57] Voice 18: but also a deep trust in the mission

[0:48:00] Voice 18: of voluntary partnership-driven conservation

[0:48:04] Voice 18: and our vision of a network of protected areas

[0:48:08] Voice 18: preserved in perpetuity.

[0:48:11] Voice 18: Of the donation, $1 million will be dedicated to the Island Trust Conservancy's Opportunity Fund,

[0:48:17] Voice 18: a fund that will financially support hard-to-fund-raise costs associated with land protection and stewardship projects.

[0:48:25] Voice 18: Over the last 20 years, donations to the Opportunity Fund have helped support and protect ecologically and culturally significant lands,

[0:48:34] Voice 18: to the value of over $69 million.

[0:48:37] Voice 18: million. The donor allocated an additional $157,300 to the Island Trust Conservancy's

[0:48:48] Voice 18: Property Management Fund, which will support ongoing care in the protection of areas that

[0:48:54] Voice 18: have been entrusted to the Conservancy. And this includes land management activities like

[0:48:59] Voice 18: removing invasive species, restoring ecosystems, and maintaining trails. A sincere and hearty

[0:49:08] Voice 18: thank you to the anonymous donor. At our May board meeting, we supported a motion to begin work

[0:49:16] Voice 18: on a formal agreement with the SARTLIP and SACIM First Nations through the WSENIC Leadership

[0:49:22] Voice 18: Society. This follows similar direction given by staff by the Executive Committee. The intent is

[0:49:29] Voice 18: to develop a clear, respectful, and mutually beneficial working relationship focused on areas

[0:49:35] Voice 18: is within the conservancy's jurisdiction. There is discussion about whether this agreement might

[0:49:41] Voice 18: proceed through the Wissanik Lands Conservancy Society, which the ITC already has a strong

[0:49:47] Voice 18: connection with their staff. Staff will be working with legal counsel as this agreement takes shape

[0:49:53] Voice 18: and a meeting is planned with the Wissanik Leadership Council later this summer to discuss

[0:49:58] Voice 18: next steps. This is a significant piece of work and we're pushing it with care. Currently we're

[0:50:05] Voice 18: We're navigating a few staffing transitions.

[0:50:07] Voice 18: We've welcomed Carly Ashton, a co-op student,

[0:50:10] Voice 18: assisting with fieldwork and ecological monitoring this summer.

[0:50:14] Voice 18: And our administrative assistant position is vacant

[0:50:17] Voice 18: after Coraline Stretchent moved on to an executive support role.

[0:50:21] Voice 18: Recruitment is underway, and congratulations to Coraline.

[0:50:25] Voice 18: We are hiring a team lead, a protective area management,

[0:50:30] Voice 18: to provide added support to our property management team

[0:50:33] Voice 18: and to help with the manager.

[0:50:35] Voice 18: future. Interviews are in progress. And communications specialist Michaela Yerani has resigned to

[0:50:41] Voice 18: pursue educational goals. Retreatment in that role will begin shortly, and thank you to

[0:50:47] Voice 18: Michaela for her excellent contributions to our communications work. Despite these transitions,

[0:50:53] Voice 18: staff are doing a remarkable job keeping the work moving forward. In other business, from

[0:51:00] Voice 18: From our May meeting, we approved our contribution to the ANA report, which has been approved

[0:51:06] Voice 18: by Trust Council and submitted to the Minister.

[0:51:10] Voice 18: On Gabriola, we supported infrastructure upgrades to a provincial groundwater monitoring well

[0:51:16] Voice 18: on the Elder Cedar Nature Reserve.

[0:51:19] Voice 18: This work will lead to negotiating a new access agreement with the province and with covenant

[0:51:25] Voice 18: holders.

[0:51:25] Voice 18: And the board unanimously passed a motion directing staff to prepare the 2026-27 budget request.

[0:51:34] Voice 18: As always, our work is rooted in relationships with landholders, communities, Indigenous nations, and with all of you today.

[0:51:41] Voice 18: As we mark 35 years of conservation, we also look ahead.

[0:51:46] Voice 18: The next 35 years will no doubt bring challenges, but it will also bring opportunities to do meaningful work together.

[0:51:52] Voice 18: other. Thank you for inviting me to speak today. I'm always glad to share the work of the Islands

[0:51:58] Voice 18: Trust Conservancy.

[0:52:01] Voice 12: Thank you so much, Chair Govro. I really appreciate you sharing that with us.

[0:52:08] Voice 12: Any questions or comments?

[0:52:10] Voice 4: Oh, I always make comments. Thank you so much.

[0:52:13] Voice 4: Lisa, your enthusiasm and your raising the profile of the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:52:18] Voice 4: is welcomed and I'm so grateful

[0:52:22] Voice 4: for your effort and time devoted to doing this.

[0:52:26] Voice 4: So thank you.

[0:52:27] Voice 18: Well, I hope to make it over to an island

[0:52:28] Voice 18: and deliver this in person,

[0:52:30] Voice 18: but I would like to have some cupcakes at that

[0:52:33] Voice 18: if we do that.

[0:52:36] Voice 18: So let me know.

[0:52:38] Voice 18: I hope everybody has a wonderful summer too

[0:52:40] Voice 18: and gets a little bit of downtime

[0:52:41] Voice 18: and gets to enjoy the islands that we live on.

[0:52:46] Voice 18: Great, thank you so much.

[0:52:47] Voice 18: Thank you, have a good day.

[0:52:48] Voice 18: uh

[0:52:50] Voice 12: so next i'm

[0:52:51] Voice 8: going to turn it over to local community commission uh chair for a rock thank

[0:52:56] Voice 8: you thank you chair um first i'd like to um extend regrets for my colleague gary fullman

[0:53:03] Voice 8: easel today who was otherwise planning to sit in and also update you in more detail on what

[0:53:08] Voice 8: the crd board is doing um since we were last year um the lcc has done a number of things we had a

[0:53:16] Voice 8: a special meeting in june dedicated to the budget so this year we're trying to get a jump

[0:53:21] Voice 8: on the provisional budget try and um approach the process in the fall with less less haste and more

[0:53:28] Voice 8: deliberation and i think we're off to a good start there one element of that that may interest the

[0:53:34] Voice 8: trust is that there was a significant amount of interest amongst the commissioners for boosting

[0:53:39] Voice 8: the funding for small harbor service in order to allow us to support further planning on

[0:53:46] Voice 8: harbor issues which we have a joint interest in and we had a fairly successful harbor's workshop

[0:53:55] Voice 8: in the spring including the significant first nations participation and we're going to be

[0:54:01] Voice 8: hearing a report at one of our monthly meetings about how we can do go forward with harbors

[0:54:08] Voice 8: harbors management issues and analysis into the falls we expect to have another harbors workshop

[0:54:14] Voice 8: in the fall we also had a very successful i think round table a workshop on noise bylaws

[0:54:23] Voice 8: and their impact on particularly agriculture on salt spring there was a lot more consensus

[0:54:30] Voice 8: coming out of the group than some might have expected given the strident sea of some of the

[0:54:35] Voice 8: discussions in social media so again we're our staff is compiling all the information that came

[0:54:42] Voice 8: from the stakeholders we're going to be looking at a staff report later probably in september

[0:54:49] Voice 8: on possible paths forward on reconciling crd bylaws with the needs of our community here on

[0:54:58] Voice 8: salt spring this being thursday we are having our first meeting of the month tonight at five to

[0:55:06] Voice 8: seven um among the topics planned on the agenda will be a kickoff of the crosswalk study for

[0:55:13] Voice 8: ganges that has been partially funded by icbc um we're looking at crosswalks crosswalk safety are

[0:55:22] Voice 8: they in the right places do we need more basic nuts and bolts of local government um then we'll

[0:55:28] Voice 8: have our full day meeting on july 17th we expect to represent it from bc transit there to talk to

[0:55:35] Voice 8: about potential expansion of transit on the island we will also be hearing um initial kickoff

[0:55:42] Voice 8: information from our consultant on the integrated housing strategy and for outreach on that

[0:55:50] Voice 8: we're really hoping that we can get some of our own work done so that when the time is appropriate

[0:55:56] Voice 8: with the ocp review we will be able to provide some meaningful input into that process

[0:56:01] Voice 8: that's when that time comes um we're also on the 17th looking at um further plans for the active

[0:56:10] Voice 8: transportation network in ganges specifically upgrades to mcphillips and jackson town so got

[0:56:18] Voice 8: a lot on the plate um coming in the fall we will be looking at business licensing report probably

[0:56:24] Voice 8: in september as well as the provisional budget so it will be a very full fall going forward we're

[0:56:31] Voice 8: hoping to between everyone's busy

[0:56:33] Voice 8: schedules manage to get another joint meeting in with the trust

[0:56:36] Voice 8: council or the trust committee um whenever we can get it in so with that i will say thank you for

[0:56:44] Voice 8: inviting us um always good to be able to provide a little bit of input and hear what folks are

[0:56:50] Voice 8: saying to you in the town hall section thank you chair ruck and appreciate you being here and

[0:56:57] having the

[0:56:58] Voice 12: interchange okay so next up we have the draft minutes of our June 5th meeting for

[0:57:11] adoption and I'll look to trustees to see if there's any amendments to those minutes

[0:57:17] by

[0:57:23] Voice 8: general consent we will adopt those minutes as presented we have no resolutions without

[0:57:30] Voice 12: meeting report uh we have the draft minutes of the advisory planning commissions both the aabc

[0:57:38] Voice 12: and the abc here

[0:57:39] Voice 6: um for

[0:57:42] Voice 8: information next we have the correspondence section we have a letter

[0:57:53] Voice 8: from crd director holman updated to the fourth um receive that for information and also otherwise

[0:58:03] Voice 8: wise desire and a letter from the local trust committee chair of the market society also for

[0:58:11] Voice 8: information and then that brings up to us up to the follow-up action list on page 21 and i'll

[0:58:21] Voice 8: look to staff to see if there's any updates you'd like to share okay and then uh trustees any

[0:58:30] Voice 8: Any questions or comments on the follow-up action report?

[0:58:44] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:58:45] Voice 6: This

[0:58:50] Voice 8: brings us then to the projects list on page 25.

[0:58:58] Voice 8: Again, I'll check in with staff and see if there's any updates you'd like to share today.

[0:59:07] Voice 8: Anything from trustees, trustee Patrick?

[0:59:10] Voice 4: I know we're working toward an August meeting on an update,

[0:59:14] Voice 4: but I think if you could just give a nutshell of kind of where the status is with the OCP projects.

[0:59:21] Voice 4: So,

[0:59:21] Voice 7: Chair, the consultant has been

[0:59:24] Voice 8: onboarded. There have been meetings with both the trustees and the consultant, and we've set an August 7th meeting date for the project advisory planning committee.

[0:59:33] The purpose of that is really for engaging discovery before a final meeting is presented to KDC as well as LTC.

[0:59:41] We are looking at booking a special meeting on August 28th under

[0:59:49] Voice 8: discovery right now.

[0:59:53] Voice 8: Essentially, yeah, but we're just working through those draft

[0:59:55] Voice 7: documents of the...

[1:00:00] Voice 7: engagement by an mvp refined work program

[1:00:05] Voice 8: great for that and then we have the future

[1:00:10] Voice 8: projects list anyone on that okay

[1:00:18] Voice 12: so our applications uh i

[1:00:20] Voice 8: think we will skip over

[1:00:22] Voice 8: for now um and we'll try and come back to those at noon so the applicants can be here

[1:00:30] Voice 8: So let's move on to new business, starting at page 510, we have the meeting procedures

[1:00:40] Voice 8: by-law and I'll look to staff for introduction of the site.

[1:00:52] Voice 8: It's fairly straightforward based on the work that you've done through your trust

[1:00:58] Voice 8: council with the

[1:01:02] Voice 20: new trust council bylaw number 197 the local meeting procedure bylaw is no longer

[1:01:09] required

[1:01:10] Voice 8: i like to tidy things up as quickly as possible so the repeal bylaw for our local trust

[1:01:18] Voice 8: council meeting procedure bylaw is what you are considering right now because trust council

[1:01:23] Voice 8: approved the overarching by-law, it really is not, it can't be used. So if you don't

[1:01:35] Voice 8: repeal it, we won't use it. It'll just be a document that confuses people. So it's sort

[1:01:42] Voice 8: of just an administrative cleanup job on this first item. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

[1:01:52] Voice 8: Hey, thank you for that.

[1:01:54] Voice 8: Trustees, any thoughts, questions on the repeal of the bylaw?

[1:02:00] Voice 8: Straightforward?

[1:02:04] Voice 8: Nothing?

[1:02:04] Voice 8: Well, I'll look for a mover for the recommendations.

[1:02:14] Voice 6: Page 510.

[1:02:18] Voice 4: I'm the mover at the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[1:02:20] Voice 4: Give bylaw 547, cited as Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee,

[1:02:25] Voice 4: meeting procedures, repeal bylaw number 547-2025, first reading.

[1:02:31] Voice 7: move and

[1:02:32] Voice 8: do i have a seconder from the motion uh any discussion i'll call the question all those

[1:02:46] Voice 8: in favor and any of those motion carries

[1:02:51] Voice 4: i move that the salt spring on local trust committee

[1:02:55] Voice 4: give bylaw five four seven cited um as salt spring island local trust committee meeting

[1:03:00] Voice 4: procedures repeal bylaw number five four seven twenty twenty five second people

[1:03:06] Voice 8: moved

[1:03:08] Voice 8: seconder

[1:03:08] Voice 8: second motion any discussion

[1:03:11] Voice 8: not seeing any I'll call the question

[1:03:14] Voice 8: all those in favor

[1:03:18] Voice 8: opposed motion carries

[1:03:21] Voice 4: that's Salt Spring Island local trust committee

[1:03:23] Voice 4: give bylaw 547 cited

[1:03:25] Voice 4: as Salt Spring Island local trust committee meeting

[1:03:27] Voice 4: procedures repeal bylaw number 547

[1:03:29] Voice 4: 2025

[1:03:32] Voice 4: second motion

[1:03:34] Voice 8: any discussion

[1:03:37] Voice 8: call the question all those in favor

[1:03:40] Voice 8: any opposed motion

[1:03:44] Voice 4: carries uh the salt spring island local trust committee forward bylaw 547

[1:03:49] Voice 4: cited aside salt spring island trust committee meeting procedure repealed bylaw number 547 2025

[1:03:57] Voice 4: the islands trust executive committee consideration of approval second

[1:04:02] Voice 8: motion any

[1:04:03] Voice 8: discussion all the questions all those in favor any opposed motion carries okay so

[1:04:15] Voice 8: on to page 514 and we have the public notification file turn it back over for staff

[1:04:24] introduction thank you chair uh on behalf of director marler and in line with the last

[1:04:31] uh item

[1:04:32] Voice 8: this is taking decisions made at trust council uh and bringing them into the local

[1:04:40] the local ltc um the notice public

[1:04:45] Voice 8: notice bylaw policy was adopted i trust council in june 2025

[1:04:50] Voice 8: this is the local bylaw version of that policy um as the previous ledge clerk the benefits out of

[1:05:02] Voice 8: this are you know cost savings potential and a little bit of coordination time-saving potential

[1:05:15] Voice 8: because we won't need to work with outside agencies to provide our public notices

[1:05:21] Voice 8: you can do it all internally but the decision is up to you as to whether it should be adopted or

[1:05:30] Voice 8: are altered in fact trustees uh thoughts on the proposed bylaw trustee patrick

[1:05:43] Voice 4: yes my i mean i i

[1:05:45] Voice 4: completely understand and supported the model bylaw being brought in particularly in smaller

[1:05:50] Voice 4: islands like things to turn on others that they don't rely on they call the driftwood or salt's

[1:05:56] Voice 4: they have other methods in which they communicate where here I mean it is the Driftwood is a very different publication on

[1:06:11] Voice 4: Salt Spring and then you know the alternatives are more it would be to me it's not an alternative addition that we could have public notices in the exchange or other things

[1:06:29] Voice 4: but we would not stop putting public notices in the driftwood

[1:06:32] Voice 4: because of the nature and importance of the driftwood.

[1:06:36] Voice 4: So I'm not certain, by the way, that the bylaws are written.

[1:06:40] Voice 4: It's that we, under 2, it says means of publication

[1:06:44] Voice 4: for public requirements.

[1:06:46] Voice 4: Any other enactment may be given by the following method.

[1:06:50] Voice 4: So does that change?

[1:06:54] Voice 4: Wouldn't we list the driftwood in there as well?

[1:06:58] Voice 4: because we still continue to recognize that local paper um

[1:07:03] Voice 4: in

[1:07:07] Voice 8: the grand scheme of things the previous provincial legislation community charter only

[1:07:19] Voice 8: allowed for notification on public notice boards or a newspaper with a certain subscriber publishing

[1:07:28] Voice 8: It couldn't be a monthly newspaper, it had to be at least a weekly published newspaper.

[1:07:35] The change to

[1:07:37] Voice 8: the provincial standards are that a local government may choose not to

[1:07:44] Voice 8: use a newspaper, they may use alternate means.

[1:07:48] Voice 8: So, this is stating the two places where we must publish our notices as per the provincial regulations, because there must be two places.

[1:08:05] Voice 8: And as we are an organization that's looking to be mindful of taxpayer money when we're given an opportunity to save money in advertising fees,

[1:08:17] Voice 8: we have to explore that as staff and so that's meeting the provincial regulation

[1:08:26] Voice 8: but yes it is avoiding using a local newspaper as as i see it as a cost-saving measure but once

[1:08:34] Voice 8: again the local government you you trustees get to decide what is the best way to move forward

[1:08:43] Voice 8: yeah

[1:08:43] Voice 4: for me the main cost saving like then is like gambier and heats where they were forced

[1:08:48] Voice 4: to put an ad in the sun which was a much a huge expense and reached now highly likely didn't

[1:08:58] Voice 4: reach an audience that had anything to do with with the application but for us the driftwood is

[1:09:03] Voice 4: is salt springs publication i think the analyst trust has had a history of supporting

[1:09:09] Voice 4: supporting the driftwood and i think that continues to be um i i would not support no

[1:09:15] Voice 4: longer advertising and i think it's been one that's been relied on and and looked to for

[1:09:21] Voice 4: at least a fair number of people who still subscribe um to the newspaper um so i would

[1:09:29] Voice 4: either want to remove i think posting in social media is is on salt spring we don't have you know

[1:09:36] Voice 4: But again, like Saturna and other islands where they have one page that everybody on the island really devotedly goes to,

[1:09:44] Voice 4: Salt Spring doesn't have that one page that everybody goes to.

[1:09:48] Voice 4: It's got hundreds of pages. And I would say our profile isn't that big, Salt Spring, in the social media realm.

[1:09:58] Voice 4: wrong um so i would see electronically posting a notice in the antitrust social media platform as

[1:10:05] Voice 4: remove that replace it with the driftwood is being you know important i absolutely support

[1:10:12] Voice 4: building profile on our website trying to get more people to subscribe i think that's an

[1:10:17] Voice 4: ongoing long-term desire to drive more and more people to a future website that functions more

[1:10:25] Voice 4: or as a information source,

[1:10:28] Voice 4: but I would not remove the direct link.

[1:10:30] Voice 4: So that would be my opinion.

[1:10:32] Voice 8: Yeah, as far as the website goes,

[1:10:38] Voice 8: I don't see that ever becoming some sort of successful way

[1:10:41] of engaging with the community.

[1:10:44] That'd be my opinion on that.

[1:10:46] I do think there are, not that I have

[1:10:50] Voice 8: a Facebook page,

[1:10:52] Voice 8: but I did at one time,

[1:10:54] Voice 8: i think there were a couple of really major pages in salt spring that does fall

[1:10:59] Voice 8: meanwhile in salt spring that kind of thing but regard regardless of that um

[1:11:07] Voice 8: what was that um

[1:11:09] Voice 7: some people are easily blocked from that page by the administrator so it's

[1:11:13] Voice 7: completely exclusive but

[1:11:15] Voice 8: anyhow there are some pages that are out there but in spite of that

[1:11:22] Voice 8: And in spite of my personal views of the driftwood and, you know, what I see as a biased kind of view coming from that paper and leaning and also basically fake news that comes out of there, in my view, I still, I'm with Trustee Patrick on this one, and I don't think we should change the way we're doing it here, especially when it's coming from Trust Council.

[1:11:48] Council. Again, we have a glaring democratic representation issue built into the structure

[1:11:53] of the Alice Trust, in my view, and this would just be exasperating that by taking

[1:11:59] Trust Council, what they say, and then bringing it

[1:12:01] Voice 8: to Salt Spring Island. So, Trustee Patrick,

[1:12:05] Voice 8: I'm with you on this. Thank you. Okay, so just back to staff for a moment. They've heard

[1:12:13] Voice 8: the discussion um other than the recommendations that are here do you need further just the

[1:12:22] Voice 8: direction as to what uh sources um the local trust committee would like to use for public notification

[1:12:33] Voice 4: there's just no alternative motion to amend it i assume that we could amend this and put that

[1:12:39] Voice 4: that are put in, it's

[1:12:41] Voice 7: certainly an option

[1:12:43] Voice 7: to resume shooting at the .

[1:12:48] Voice 7: Mr. Pendle.

[1:12:54] Voice 8: We're speaking about a particular publication

[1:12:56] Voice 8: that may not be in existence forever.

[1:12:58] Voice 8: Not that that's my intention, but just to be clear,

[1:13:03] Voice 8: I have heard the guidance of trustees

[1:13:06] Voice 8: and would prefer that we amend.

[1:13:10] Voice 8: Because we haven't, because this is a proposed bylaw,

[1:13:13] Voice 8: it's not being amended,

[1:13:15] Voice 8: It would be better that I ensure that the language we use is legislatively correct with your advice that switching to a social media platform is not the preference, but maintaining a newspaper notification process is the preference and return

[1:13:33] Voice 20: it to you at another meeting.

[1:13:36] Voice 8: The standard

[1:13:37] Voice 8: is that we do that right now.

[1:13:39] Voice 8: And so if we don't need a bylaw to do what we're normally doing, then your feedback is just, we're not ready to move forward with this, do some more investigation.

[1:13:54] Voice 8: And that's an action item that we staff can definitely work towards with, you know, Director Marler and ensuring that we cite the provincial legislation appropriately.

[1:14:06] Voice 8: We can come back with a report or a memo as to whether, you know, sticking with the status quo requires a bylaw or sticking with the status quo is just sticking with the status quo.

[1:14:18] Voice 8: And we will continue to do this as usual.

[1:14:21] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[1:14:22] Voice 8: so just as a follow-up then um what

[1:14:24] Voice 12: i think i'm hearing you say is that

[1:14:26] Voice 12: it's not essential that we pass these recommendations today um

[1:14:31] Voice 8: but that we could

[1:14:31] Voice 8: request yeah if

[1:14:34] Voice 20: you want

[1:14:35] Voice 8: if you want to make it a formal resolution it would be along the lines of

[1:14:38] Voice 8: requesting staff to investigate the need for a bylaw that uses public notification and newspaper

[1:14:45] Voice 8: paper notification you know it to me it's an action item that we can work on uh but but

[1:14:53] Voice 8: a resolution makes it formal work and i appreciate the work of the of you know tracking our work

[1:15:02] Voice 8: understood uh trustee harris i like the idea of just going with the status quo and i'm not in

[1:15:08] Voice 8: favor of making a motion to do such a thing it seems like it's you know they broke don't fix it

[1:15:17] why are we even messing with it um and i think um mr pingel has uh made it very

[1:15:23] Voice 8: clear that he can

[1:15:25] Voice 8: go ahead with this without emotion uh just project and

[1:15:32] Voice 4: i i support i think staff need to take a look

[1:15:35] Voice 4: at it i do support trying to develop an alternative i'm not entirely sure what the best

[1:15:42] Voice 4: alternative is i mean in addition to the newspaper just to begin to build more um exposure i guess or

[1:15:51] Voice 4: behavior as we go in time so um it would be nice to understand a little bit more

[1:15:58] Voice 4: more. Mr.

[1:16:00] Voice 8: Pingel? So, Chair, just to provide some additional information, working with our

[1:16:08] Voice 8: communications staff, I asked about our Islands Trust social media profiles, because that's where

[1:16:21] Voice 8: they would go. They wouldn't go to a Facebook group. They would be our controlled page where

[1:16:27] Voice 8: the post would go um she is seeing

[1:16:31] Voice 8: increases in participation month over month uh so those those

[1:16:35] Voice 8: groups are gaining they are um you know free to subscribe and participate in in the way any social

[1:16:44] Voice 8: media is i know that comes with a big asterisk but she is seeing some some growth um it's

[1:16:54] understandable

[1:16:54] Voice 8: that as we're saying stick with the status quo um

[1:16:59] Voice 20: i'm not sure whether a bylaw is

[1:17:01] Voice 20: required to do additional um because it may

[1:17:05] Voice 8: just be that internally we start doing that just through

[1:17:10] Voice 8: our administrative practices um and it would be better to allow us to experiment with doing it

[1:17:19] Voice 8: rather than enshrining it as a bylaw and forcing us to do it

[1:17:24] Voice 8: if it is truly an experiment, right?

[1:17:29] Voice 8: Definitely we're increasing the way we use social media

[1:17:33] Voice 8: and fine-tuning it all the time

[1:17:35] Voice 8: through the way that we will be creating our notices.

[1:17:40] Voice 8: And so that, yeah, holding off on this bylaw at this time

[1:17:47] Voice 8: to consider seeing the growth of that social media and hearing about it directly from

[1:17:53] Voice 8: communication staff uh is is a reasonable request and something that as i said we can do um

[1:18:02] Voice 8: organically and internally without without a bylaw holding us to that standard

[1:18:10] Voice 8: necessary so if we take no action

[1:18:13] Voice 8: whatsoever that's uh that's also okay today completely

[1:18:19] Voice 8: fine thank you very much um so trustees if there's nothing further then i would move us along to

[1:18:26] Voice 8: uh the new item at 17.3 brought by trustee

[1:18:30] Voice 9: yeah i

[1:18:36] Voice 4: understand that um there's been some that some bylaw enforcement active files have

[1:18:46] Voice 4: have been opened using the BC registry data.

[1:18:51] Voice 4: And for me, I'm interested, I'm curious

[1:18:54] Voice 4: how the files are being opened,

[1:18:57] Voice 4: what data is being looked at.

[1:18:59] Voice 4: I think we'll talk more about even having a requesting report

[1:19:03] Voice 4: on what data, I'd love to see it.

[1:19:05] Voice 4: I don't know what the registry looks like,

[1:19:07] Voice 4: what data we have available to staff now and so forth.

[1:19:11] Voice 4: So that was my opening question is regarding the enforcement.

[1:19:14] Voice 4: What is the criteria on how and why are files being opened, specifically using the BC Registry data?

[1:19:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, Chair, the use of the STR data portal is primarily to verify the principal residency requirement, which the LTC has opted into.

[1:19:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: They did that in March and starting in November, the Salt Spring Island will be fully opted into that principal residency requirement.

[1:19:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So that's one of the first criteria that is being used to try and ensure that, in fact, there is a principal residency on the property.

[1:20:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: There's an operator on the property for these operations.

[1:20:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: operations and once I started using getting access to the information I discovered that

[1:20:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there was approximately two dozen operations that they were not listing the address there

[1:20:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: was no listing address supplied for the registry the host address was there usually

[1:20:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: usually, and however, there was often off-island addresses, so there was no principal residence

[1:20:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: use. Now, I'm not sure how they were able to fully register without providing an actual listing

[1:20:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: address within the system, so that was of concern. So, there were files open to try and determine

[1:20:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: whether or not there was a principal residency occurring on these properties where these

[1:20:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: these operations are being advertised.

[1:21:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, and another criteria is whether or not there is, in fact,

[1:21:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: an active advertisement.

[1:21:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Not all of them are active.

[1:21:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Some are inactive.

[1:21:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And it advertises an unlawful use, such as a short-term vacation run use.

[1:21:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And then there was also discovered some advertisements for tents

[1:21:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and campgrounds, which are not permitted as part of these STR operations.

[1:21:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: They're not permitted under the land use bylaw.

[1:21:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So there were files opened under trust council policy 551 to investigate the concerns over whether or not there was a principal residency and to really gain more information about the tents and campgrounds that are being advertised on Airbnb.

[1:21:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: B&B. Those are the main criteria and the reasons

[1:21:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: why the data portal is being used because

[1:22:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in November, Salisbury will be

[1:22:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: fully opted in and we'll be trying to coordinate with the

[1:22:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Provincial Compliance and Enforcement Unit regarding those

[1:22:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: properties where there is no principal residence on the lot

[1:22:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and they should not be operating. I can take any other questions.

[1:22:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: uh

[1:22:24] Voice 3: trustee garris am i hearing correct that there's campgrounds plural or is there

[1:22:30] Voice 3: tents

[1:22:31] Voice 8: and campgrounds i believe

[1:22:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there's two operations through the chair at least two

[1:22:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: operations where i call them campgrounds it's multiple tents or multiple rvs being

[1:22:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the advertised on airbnb

[1:22:49] Voice 6: my

[1:22:50] Voice 4: own my only concern is um we're in a transitional time period where

[1:22:59] Voice 4: we need to be continuing to further our relationship with the salt spring accommodation

[1:23:07] Voice 4: group and chamber of commerce to cooperate sort of with us in the ocp land use bylaw review project

[1:23:16] Voice 4: because we're, I think pretty certain that the short,

[1:23:19] Voice 4: you know, the bed and breakfast regulations

[1:23:22] Voice 4: are going to have a good deep look at

[1:23:25] Voice 4: and potentially update.

[1:23:28] Voice 4: And I think maintaining, you know,

[1:23:30] Voice 4: we have a good relationship,

[1:23:31] Voice 4: we've received support from both of those organizations

[1:23:34] Voice 4: and opting in on the good faith

[1:23:37] Voice 4: of having a relationship with them.

[1:23:40] Voice 4: And while, you know,

[1:23:44] Voice 4: illegal operations are illegal operations,

[1:23:46] Voice 4: but i think we should be communicating with them as to what we're intending to do so give them a

[1:23:53] Voice 4: heads up explain you know to the industry that you know we are looking at this data and we're using

[1:23:58] Voice 4: it you know in these ways so that they're aware um because you know i think a flurry of letters

[1:24:04] Voice 4: just coming out not everybody understands why or um you know well i well i believe you're using

[1:24:11] Voice 4: using good intentions, but there's sometimes maybe a legal person is being captured in this

[1:24:17] Voice 4: and, and it just creates some questions. So I would encourage that we have some communications

[1:24:24] Voice 4: with, you know, with the industry as to what our intentions are with this new data set,

[1:24:31] Voice 4: because it is new, it's new to them, it's new

[1:24:33] Voice 4: to us. And, and I, like I said, I really want to

[1:24:39] Voice 4: to make sure we're building a trusting relationship so we can do this work together on updating our

[1:24:46] Voice 4: regulations because we know they're rusty so

[1:24:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair yes i

[1:24:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would uh recommend that the local

[1:25:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: trust committee again consider uh bylaw compliance and enforcement policies uh for the local trust

[1:25:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: area and within that policy document um some of these issues could be addressed if there are

[1:25:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: concerns about what type of enforcement is going to proceed especially in terms of short-term

[1:25:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: vacation rentals the local trust committee could set out you know set criteria or otherwise

[1:25:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: establish priorities of what type of enforcement is going to happen especially once the November

[1:25:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: comes and the island is part of the provincial system where the principal residency must be

[1:25:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: requirements must be met so i would encourage the ldc to try and reconsider that document again

[1:25:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and make amendments as necessary thank

[1:25:53] Voice 12: you for that uh trustee patrick well

[1:25:58] Voice 4: i while i don't

[1:25:59] Voice 4: disagree clarity in the enforcement policy is a good thing i think right now our emphasis needs

[1:26:04] Voice 4: to be on the ocp land use bylaw of fixing the current regulations is our is my priority of

[1:26:13] Voice 4: Let's get the regulations brought up to date, because we know we've got challenges with the existing regulations.

[1:26:19] Voice 4: They're out of date. And I want to update them.

[1:26:25] Voice 4: And I think through that process, I think we can get clarity.

[1:26:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And

[1:26:28] Voice 4: I don't think we, in the conversations I've had with the industry, I don't think we've got a lot of disagreement generally of what we don't want.

[1:26:37] Voice 4: And I think if we can come from that good working relationship, then the enforcement is expected.

[1:26:45] Voice 4: and it will have a greater impact

[1:26:47] Voice 4: if we have it all aligned with our regulations.

[1:26:51] Voice 4: So we're getting the outcome.

[1:26:52] Voice 4: We have a desired outcome in what we're seeing,

[1:26:55] Voice 4: and then the enforcement is supporting that.

[1:26:58] Voice 4: And so that's how I see it right now.

[1:27:01] Voice 4: I want to put our time and let's focus on that.

[1:27:06] Voice 4: And then to follow, I think the principal residence piece,

[1:27:10] Voice 4: piece yes I think that's an easier um criteria because that's you know that is something that

[1:27:19] Voice 4: already exists and I don't believe we're changing that there's I've heard no desire to change

[1:27:25] Voice 4: a way that we got support to bring in the principal residents from the industry

[1:27:29] Voice 4: so that is one area that we will need to look at and how we use the registry how we enforce how

[1:27:36] Voice 4: the province brings its tools to bear to help us enforce principal residences as well um so i think

[1:27:47] Voice 4: i'm at the curiosity phase rather than right now of saying other than i would like to be able to

[1:27:52] Voice 4: tell and answer the chamber and the accommodation group on what we're doing i think that would be a

[1:27:59] Voice 4: privacy here's what we're doing right now why um just to be transparent so

[1:28:09] Voice 8: on that note is there

[1:28:12] Voice 8: some type of reporting that would be useful from my law enforcement compliance department or in

[1:28:21] Voice 8: order to inform that sort of communication or do you have are we still so early and we're not quite

[1:28:27] Voice 8: at that point just curious of where you want to go with this well

[1:28:30] Voice 4: I think if this is what's being

[1:28:32] Voice 4: if they're looking at where listing addresses are missing I think you know that then that that

[1:28:38] Voice 4: makes sense I'm asking for information on on that or um post you know addresses that are you know

[1:28:48] Voice 4: we already have a principal resident requirement so if someone did register with an address in

[1:28:53] Voice 4: in Toronto for their house here, yeah,

[1:28:57] Voice 4: that would make sense.

[1:28:59] Voice 4: So, I mean, I think if we can explain to,

[1:29:02] Voice 4: you know, and tents and campgrounds

[1:29:04] Voice 4: are not considered in our bylaws.

[1:29:07] Voice 4: So I think if we can at least put that

[1:29:08] Voice 4: into some sort of communications

[1:29:10] Voice 4: that we could release to these groups,

[1:29:14] Voice 4: then we can answer the question.

[1:29:15] Voice 4: Because they're asking us what criteria,

[1:29:18] Voice 4: and I don't know.

[1:29:21] Voice 8: just to hear us i'm i'm wondering where this whole tent thing so what's the problem somebody's

[1:29:28] Voice 8: pitching a tent in their backyard and or front yard for that matter and that's somebody's

[1:29:34] Voice 8: complaining about that i'm kind of not sure where tents have come into the um into the fray here

[1:29:40] Voice 8: it's kind of new to me i do i

[1:29:44] Voice 4: think there's some people have registered under the bc short-term

[1:29:48] Voice 4: rental registry tents so they've registered a tent as a short-term rental and that's that's

[1:29:57] Voice 4: what i understand by law enforcement

[1:30:00] Voice 4: targeting people who are advertising tents in

[1:30:04] Voice 8: the well is that something that's not allowed

[1:30:06] Voice 8: somebody can't put a tent in their backyard and wait somebody to come and stay under

[1:30:11] Voice 8: well through the

[1:30:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair that is a completely unlawful use it's a type of accessory structure

[1:30:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and accepts accessory structures other than a lawful seasonal cottage cannot have human

[1:30:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and habitation so you can't go on airbnb and lawfully rent out rvs and tents on your property

[1:30:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you also have the concern about where's the septic going when you have multiple rvs and tents on a

[1:30:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: property uh it's it's a commercial use it's a non-permitted commercial use it's not permitted

[1:30:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it under the land use by law at all um just

[1:30:57] Voice 8: to confirm it is a news

[1:30:59] Voice 8: question right there

[1:31:00] Voice 8: campgrounds are defined using the land by law especially when it's commercial enterprise so

[1:31:05] Voice 8: under the sdr if they are indeed operating an unlawful commercial use unfortunately

[1:31:14] Voice 8: well i i guess i'd love to see an actual legal description of what we're talking

[1:31:20] about a tent

[1:31:21] Voice 8: is that that's under the law you're not allowed to put a tent in your backyard and

[1:31:26] Voice 8: rent it out that's a law that's i think that's what we're hearing i'd love to see that um

[1:31:35] Voice 8: whatever that's called that law where it's written down and when it was made and

[1:31:44] Voice 8: just doesn't none of this make sense maybe when the staff could email that to sure i i don't

[1:31:50] Voice 8: am i connecting you out with this thing the lens bylaw where cases are admitted not committed

[1:31:56] Voice 7: what

[1:31:56] Voice 8: does it say tent like i hear campground but that doesn't just because somebody has a

[1:32:00] Voice 8: tent right back here does not make it a camera no i think what and i don't know if that's going

[1:32:05] Voice 8: to help or not but i think what i what i heard is that uh matter of statement saying is the cases

[1:32:12] Voice 8: are not when someone has a tent but that when they're going and they're advertising to rent

[1:32:17] Voice 8: it out as a short-term vacation rental that that's not permitted that's what i think is that even a

[1:32:23] Voice 8: law has this ever even been a thing somewhere apparently yeah it seems like residential

[1:32:30] Voice 8: properties here and when there's a primary commercial that's being operated not under

[1:32:34] Voice 8: the illicit permit uses that doesn't commit violent corruption very interesting trustee

[1:32:41] Voice 4: patrick i just

[1:32:41] Voice 4: want to make sure just help clarify first years that somebody pitching a tent in their backyard

[1:32:47] Voice 4: for their kids and their friends they've got coming over to visit is a very different situation

[1:32:52] Voice 4: or an rv that they they're using um this these are commercial ventures because that's how the bc

[1:32:58] Voice 4: they registered they voluntarily registered some of these things and i can understand

[1:33:05] Voice 4: now that's for commercial gain it

[1:33:09] Voice 8: must be a sign or a symptom of the desperation that people are

[1:33:15] going to because to me it just seems quite extreme i can't even believe we're talking about this at

[1:33:22] this point but um

[1:33:23] Voice 8: you know there must be some there's got to be more to this picture why is

[1:33:29] Voice 8: somebody you know obviously people are getting desperate up there there's no wonder why it cost

[1:33:34] Voice 8: everything has gone through the roof housing food fuel blah blah blah um i feel uncomfortable with

[1:33:41] Voice 8: um coming down on people i'd love to i'd love to hear the the actual you know seer report on

[1:33:49] Voice 8: whatever instance this is that we're talking about before any kind of changes are made to

[1:33:54] Voice 8: bylaws and all the rest of it do we

[1:33:59] Voice 4: if we were to request staff basically i'd like to have a

[1:34:03] Voice 4: communication brief communication that we could share with the salt spring accommodation group

[1:34:09] Voice 4: of the chamber of commerce um how we're using the bc registry data to investigate because it's the

[1:34:19] Voice 4: word um investigate by law enforcement at this time i i just think of a short brief one pager

[1:34:29] Voice 4: that we could at least share with them so they know what we're doing are

[1:34:36] Voice 8: you able to construct

[1:34:37] Voice 8: direct staff to essentially develop some communication material to release to the public?

[1:34:43] Voice 4: Well, at least to the accommodation group in the Chamber of Commerce are the two organizations

[1:34:47] Voice 4: that we have had relationships with that do manage their users.

[1:34:52] Voice 4: I think so they can share with their users because right now they're uncertain.

[1:34:57] Voice 4: If they've noticed a flurry of files being opened, they're questioning why.

[1:35:03] Voice 4: And I think we can answer that.

[1:35:04] Voice 4: that. And I think in writing, not for me trying to communicate

[1:35:08] Voice 4: what I just heard today, but we just put that into a

[1:35:13] Voice 4: communications that we can share with them.

[1:35:18] Voice 8: So it looks like we're looking for some form of

[1:35:21] Voice 8: resolution to instruct staff to work with both enforcement as

[1:35:24] Voice 8: well as our communications department to develop some

[1:35:27] Voice 8: communication materials for the CR.

[1:35:30] Voice 8: are okay and uh entertain a emotional nature sounds like staffing like a resolution to that

[1:35:46] Voice 8: to

[1:35:47] Voice 4: stop for guidance um i move the salt spring island local trust committee request staff

[1:35:54] Voice 4: to prepare or to to make materials prepare communication

[1:36:03] Voice 4: materials

[1:36:04] Voice 4: materials on bylaw enforcement investigations of short-term rentals from the DC registry data

[1:36:19] Voice 4: for release to local operators or accommodation organizations I think okay

[1:36:38] Voice 12: let's just check

[1:36:40] Voice 12: Just a second. I'm just going to check in with Lisa, who's typically amazing at capturing our ramblings and making sense of them.

[1:36:49] Voice 12: Lisa, what have you got there for us?

[1:36:54] Voice 15: Good morning, Chair Peterson. I have that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff prepare communication materials on bylaw enforcement investigations on short term vacation rentals from the B.C.

[1:37:07] Voice 15: registry data for release to local accommodation organizations.

[1:37:14] Voice 6: What I

[1:37:26] Voice 8: just heard from the planner group here is that there is a gap check page already

[1:37:31] Voice 8: open for the public hearing that speaks to actually how the registry data is used.

[1:37:36] Voice 8: So we could also direct the public to...

[1:37:38] Voice 4: But how we're using it.

[1:37:40] Voice 4: My specific question is how bylaw enforcement is using that data to investigate.

[1:37:46] Voice 4: I think we

[1:37:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: all understand the

[1:37:48] Voice 4: registry data, but how are we using it is the question.

[1:37:52] Voice 4: so they don't just need to be pointed to a public page they want to know

[1:37:56] Voice 4: what what are we extracting from that data to open files so that we're being transparent in

[1:38:03] Voice 4: in our actions i mean they registered which is good that's a good thing um so we that we're

[1:38:11] Voice 4: just clear on how we're using it through

[1:38:14] Voice 8: the chair i think we can work with the register

[1:38:16] Voice 8: uh the rest of the film to work both with enforcement and communications to get something

[1:38:22] Voice 8: just a question trustee patrick i thought we're not doing proactive enforcement at this point

[1:38:29] Voice 8: is that am i mistaken we

[1:38:34] Voice 4: weren't doing proactive enforcement on seasonal cottages

[1:38:37] Voice 4: so

[1:38:39] Voice 8: through

[1:38:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the chair um we're not doing a proactive enforcement campaign we actually

[1:38:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: don't have the resources to do proactive enforcement on all the short-term vacation

[1:38:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: rentals that may be unlawful on salt spring there's a limited number of files that i decided

[1:38:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to open under trust council policy because of the concerns over whether or not there was a principal

[1:39:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: residency requirement or being met by these operators and i found a group where uh i absolutely

[1:39:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: don't believe they have a principal residency requirement met on salt spring one they're not

[1:39:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not even listing there for whatever reasons,

[1:39:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: not even listing the actual listing address where their operation is.

[1:39:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So for those reasons, a small number of files were opened.

[1:39:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And I've gone through the two dozen operations that didn't have a listing address.

[1:39:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And right now, I think that's the limit of what we can do

[1:39:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: because we just don't have the resources to do any more work

[1:39:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on short-term vacation rentals on Salt Spring right now.

[1:39:53] Voice 8: okay uh trustee harris i'm perplexed because if we're not doing proactive enforcement why is

[1:39:59] Voice 8: proactive enforcement going on i'm you know i've heard the answers but this doesn't make any sense

[1:40:06] Voice 8: to me um i'll leave it there okay so um back

[1:40:15] Voice 12: to the motion so i've made that motion motion's been

[1:40:17] Voice 12: made i'll go ahead and second it's that it's on the table um just patrick

[1:40:23] Voice 4: awesome in discussion

[1:40:25] Voice 4: on the motion um well i've i've heard manager dingman um i think just being transparent with

[1:40:34] Voice 4: this these organizations at this time shows good faith um and the relationship that we want to have

[1:40:41] Voice 4: an open transparent relationship with them will be into it um and that the communications will

[1:40:46] Voice 4: just help clarify that and show our intent to work with them okay

[1:40:54] Voice 8: um just to verify anything

[1:40:56] Voice 8: on the motion to get the communication materials up to the combination group i really appreciate

[1:41:02] Voice 8: you asking um but again i'm still pretty confused the world is i think kind of glossing over some

[1:41:10] aspects of what's happening here and honestly i'm

[1:41:15] Voice 8: kind of uncomfortable speaking about this

[1:41:17] Voice 8: in the public and I don't want to push for a

[1:41:21] Voice 12: new camera thing well I was going to mention

[1:41:23] Voice 12: we do have a closed meeting later in in the meeting and we could look to staff to

[1:41:31] make sure that we have a citation that

[1:41:34] Voice 8: would cover anything that might need to be in camera

[1:41:36] Voice 8: sure thank you so we could look at staff support to make sure that we had something on

[1:41:43] Voice 8: by law enforcement added to the closed portion and then what

[1:41:48] Voice 8: does what shouldn't be in public

[1:41:50] Voice 8: to be discussed um so on the motion on the floor anything further i think you know just say it

[1:41:57] Voice 8: seems reasonable to me to uh to communicate with uh how we are using that data directly to the uh

[1:42:06] Voice 8: to the operator organizations um that seems like a reasonable thing to do um and so yes well that's

[1:42:13] Voice 8: where i'm kind of confused because we already have this non-constructive enforcement thing happening

[1:42:20] Voice 8: but yet we are doing it so is that what we're going to tell the you know well i think what's

[1:42:27] Voice 12: different is that is that we don't we haven't only recently because we just opted into the principal

[1:42:34] Voice 8: residency requirement earlier this year this is our first round of data out back from the province

[1:42:42] Voice 12: And as Manager Dingman has said, his focus for investigation on these files are ones

[1:42:50] Voice 12: that are not

[1:42:50] Voice 8: actually even listing where they are located.

[1:42:55] Voice 8: That's where I'm confused because if it's not proactive, why is that even happening?

[1:43:00] Voice 8: Why is that even there?

[1:43:02] Voice 8: That's where I'm really confused.

[1:43:04] Voice 12: And I mean, I know the thing that's going to be interesting as we move forward is because

[1:43:12] Voice 12: Because of the provincial registry now,

[1:43:15] Voice 8: the enforcement environment

[1:43:20] Voice 12: is going to change a little bit

[1:43:22] Voice 12: because there are portions of the short-term vacation rental legislative situation now

[1:43:31] Voice 12: that the province is actually going to be enforcing parts of, right?

[1:43:37] Voice 12: So it's actually in flux.

[1:43:38] Voice 12: Things are changing.

[1:43:39] Voice 12: Now, I mean, my understanding is that having open files is not necessarily, I mean, there's

[1:43:49] Voice 12: going to be actions

[1:43:49] Voice 8: taken in all of those cases.

[1:43:53] Voice 8: Well, part of my concern is just the time and effort that's going into it.

[1:44:00] Voice 8: Well, maybe they're better used in other areas.

[1:44:04] Voice 8: But anyhow, thank you very much.

[1:44:07] Voice 8: I think that's another discussion.

[1:44:09] Voice 8: and I think like I think that the object of this motion is simply to have information that we can

[1:44:18] Voice 8: share with the with the operator groups and I have to support that saying that's very reasonable

[1:44:26] Voice 8: approach so anything further on the motion I'm not seeing any so I will call the question all those

[1:44:34] Voice 8: in favor and any opposed all right and so that motion carries i see we're about we're almost

[1:44:48] Voice 8: at 20 after do we want to go through the rest of the report section and then take a break

[1:44:54] Voice 8: okay um so we have the policy and setting resolutions list uh at page 520 and i'll

[1:45:02] Voice 8: to see if anyone has anything on that today no we'll receive that for information the open

[1:45:09] Voice 8: applications report is on page 528 anything from staff on that report today no any questions

[1:45:19] Voice 8: all right we'll receive that for information as well uh the expense reports are on page 548

[1:45:26] Voice 8: 8 um there for information and on page 551 we had the islands trust conservancy board report

[1:45:38] Voice 8: also for information just to take the opportunity to thank you chair govro again for coming and

[1:45:44] Voice 8: presenting to us doing a set opportunity and i think yeah i think we may as well let's call

[1:45:55] Voice 8: the recess

[1:45:55] Voice 12: now and we'll come back at noon for the applications

[1:46:00] Voice 8: section and so

[1:46:04] Voice 6: we are recessed

[2:26:47] Voice 20: Right, you're unmuted and Lisa is available once we hear the recording.

[2:27:09] Voice 9: All right,

[2:27:10] Voice 12: folks, it's noon, so we're going to reconvene.

[2:27:16] Voice 12: We are on the applications section

[2:27:19] Voice 8: here, and we're going to start with the Kings Lane rezoning.

[2:27:26] on

[2:27:26] Voice 8: page 32. Staff

[2:27:31] Voice 6: to introduce the item.

[2:27:35] Voice 5: Thank you, Mr. Chair. This staff report presents an

[2:27:38] Voice 5: application for buy-in or amendment for property located at 1514 Slate Road. This report is coming

[2:27:44] Voice 5: up following the June 5 LTC meeting resolution where staff was directed to prioritize the

[2:27:50] Voice 5: processing of the reasoning application for subject property along with all other associated

[2:27:56] Voice 5: The applicant is seeking an amendment to the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law in order

[2:28:00] Voice 5: to permit the development of 50 units of affordable housing, as well as a reduced minimum load

[2:28:05] Voice 5: size for potential subdivision on the property.

[2:28:10] Voice 5: The property is currently zoned Residential 12, Zone Variant A, which only permits senior

[2:28:16] Voice 5: supportive housing complex, medical offices with a maximum of two medical practitioners.

[2:28:21] Voice 5: The new proposed zone residential 13, if approved, will permit 15 units of affordable housing units,

[2:28:28] Voice 5: general offices with minimum worth size for sub-division as well as daycare as accessory users.

[2:28:36] Voice 5: Staff have reviewed the application and it appears to be consistent at this time with the relevant official community plan policies

[2:28:43] Voice 5: and the island's trust policy statement and therefore recommends that

[2:28:47] Voice 5: that one, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:28:50] Voice 5: request staff to prepare a draft by-law

[2:28:52] Voice 5: to amend Salt Spring Island Land Trust By-law

[2:28:54] Voice 5: number 355-1999 to reason block two, section 403,

[2:28:58] Voice 5: is not Salt Spring Island from Residual 12 variant A

[2:29:03] Voice 5: to Residual 13.

[2:29:05] Voice 5: And also that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:29:08] Voice 5: request staff to refer to and seek input

[2:29:10] Voice 5: from First Nations and other relevant agencies

[2:29:13] Voice 5: that an application has been received

[2:29:14] Voice 5: to amend the Salt Spring Island Land Trust By-law

[2:29:17] Voice 5: number 355-1899 and lastly that assault rebellion and local trust committee request to proceed

[2:29:22] Voice 5: with public notification as for section 467 of the local government act

[2:29:27] Voice 5: thank you thank

[2:29:29] Voice 12: you planet aruba um

[2:29:30] Voice 8: uh see lynn adams is here did you have anything we'd like to

[2:29:34] Voice 8: add um

[2:29:36] Voice 11: thank you um we are definitely proceeding with this and uh doing an enormous amount of work

[2:29:45] Voice 7: trying to make it all happen um so

[2:29:47] Voice 7: really appreciate the effort and the effort of staff

[2:29:50] Voice 7: we've been really helpful with getting to this point um there was one just little point that

[2:29:56] Voice 7: i think was maybe mentioned i wanted to just um

[2:30:00] Voice 7: highlight. We did ask at one point for some accessory uses such as a daycare. I don't know if we'll ever build that, but we thought it might be helpful to have at least the potential to be able to do something like that on the property. I think in our initial

[2:30:15] Voice 9: discussion, we thought it would be an accessory use. Now we're thinking it should be a separate use so that it could offer not just

[2:30:25] Voice 7: as an exclusively devoted to the residential use on the property. So just

[2:30:30] Voice 7: a note about that um i think they're not um no we're really

[2:30:36] Voice 10: pleased that this is proceeding so

[2:30:37] Voice 10: quickly and uh appreciate

[2:30:39] Voice 7: the effort that um staff are putting in to make that happen

[2:30:44] Voice 7: and if you've got any questions that we can answer at this point

[2:30:46] Voice 7: thank you

[2:30:48] Voice 8: uh so trustees any questions for planner or that

[2:30:57] Voice 4: please that we can move forward um and absolutely support that today and i think flexibility is key

[2:31:05] Voice 4: and important i do appreciate the work you've done to try to analyze what data we have available on

[2:31:11] Voice 4: need and all of that and i know we are not where we'd like to be for data um but i do know that

[2:31:19] Voice 4: you're in communication with other housing groups on the island and some of the data we have an idea

[2:31:27] Voice 4: what's working i guess their their wait lists what they're seeing for demand and need um in these uh

[2:31:36] Voice 4: these affordable housing complexes um and i think you know i i think

[2:31:44] Voice 4: it'll be interesting to see i mean yes the bedroom uh it i don't know you know again you

[2:31:52] Voice 4: know it's like we're guessing a little bit but i know i think maybe crop which i know you have

[2:31:56] Voice 4: experience with this probably sees again the wait lists and demand on the various

[2:32:03] Voice 4: uh you know forms of the rooms are the are the units that are that are in there

[2:32:07] Voice 4: so you know we kind of have to work with you and the community on getting that data so that

[2:32:13] Voice 4: we're really delivering the housing that we know every unit's needed but we want to make sure every

[2:32:19] Voice 4: absolute best fit that we can create is there so i support flexibility i support absolutely

[2:32:27] Voice 4: a use such as a daycare and things that just make living on the island better

[2:32:34] Voice 4: and if we have housing for the daycare providers that's even better so thank you

[2:32:48] Voice 8: All right, if there's no further questions, we do have a couple of recommendations in front of us.

[2:32:56] Voice 8: Do

[2:32:56] Voice 4: we need to identify the daycare use at this time, or is that noted and would be cut?

[2:33:04] Voice 4: I just want to make sure that doesn't get lost.

[2:33:08] Voice 6: That

[2:33:14] Voice 7: needs further inspection right now.

[2:33:17] Voice 7: Bring the draft by-law with that if that's okay.

[2:33:24] Voice 4: That's easy.

[2:33:26] Voice 4: Proceed then I guess, oh please.

[2:33:29] Voice 4: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:33:31] Voice 4: request staff to prepare a draft by-law

[2:33:33] Voice 4: to amend Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law

[2:33:36] Voice 4: number 355-1999 to rezone lot two,

[2:33:40] Voice 4: section four, range three, east,

[2:33:43] Voice 4: North Salt Spring Island Cowichan District Plan 23507.

[2:33:50] Voice 4: oh two sorry too many parentheses to residential 13.

[2:33:55] Voice 4: oh from residential 12 variant a to residential 13. i can read all

[2:34:01] Voice 8: right so move to have a second

[2:34:05] Voice 8: second motion um discussion any discussion no uh that being the case i'll call the question

[2:34:15] Voice 8: all those in favor and any opposed and then the motion

[2:34:20] Voice 4: carries um on the second piece here

[2:34:27] Voice 4: i think it's important that we do speak with first nations i know some of the more recent

[2:34:32] Voice 4: housing agreements from other islands are incorporating first nations housing or

[2:34:38] Voice 4: abilities so i think it is uh when it's i think good to see what's coming from

[2:34:42] Voice 4: gabriel in particular is that a new format um at least recognizing first nations housing as

[2:34:50] Voice 4: an element of it so i think it'd be good i do support this one so i guess i'll read it

[2:34:57] Voice 4: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:34:59] Voice 4: request staff to refer to and seek input

[2:35:02] Voice 4: from First Nations and other relevant agencies

[2:35:04] Voice 4: that an application has been received

[2:35:06] Voice 4: to amend the Salt Spring Island Land Use File

[2:35:08] Voice 4: at number 355-1999.

[2:35:11] Voice 8: So moved.

[2:35:12] Voice 8: I'll second.

[2:35:14] Voice 8: Discussion?

[2:35:17] Voice 8: Discussion?

[2:35:18] Voice 8: Call the question.

[2:35:19] Voice 8: All those in favor?

[2:35:20] Voice 8: That carries unanimously.

[2:35:25] Voice 6: The

[2:35:25] Voice 4: last one, please.

[2:35:26] Voice 4: And I move that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:35:28] Voice 4: request staff proceed with public notification

[2:35:30] Voice 4: as per section 467 of the local government act second

[2:35:35] Voice 8: that and any discussion required

[2:35:38] Voice 8: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:35:41] Voice 8: oh that carries all right next steps

[2:35:49] Voice 6: that's good thank you thank you

[2:35:53] Voice 6: thank you so much okay so

[2:36:03] Voice 8: next we have a uh location problems road and this is also coming

[2:36:11] Voice 8: from maryland thank

[2:36:13] Voice 5: you mr chair the purpose of this report is to provide us all together

[2:36:17] Voice 5: try to come into you and buy the number five for one consideration for adoption

[2:36:22] Voice 5: This application proposes to rezone 200 colonies from rural to a rural zone variant F that

[2:36:30] Voice 5: allows the development of a full-time rental cottage.

[2:36:33] Voice 5: The application has been presented to the LTC multiple times for consideration.

[2:36:38] Voice 5: At its meeting on May 8, 2075, the LTC gave first second and third reading to the by-law

[2:36:43] Voice 5: and requested that it be forwarded to the Islands Trust Executive Committee for approval.

[2:36:47] Voice 5: And at its regular business meeting on June 4, 2025, the Executive Committee approved the reprised file.

[2:36:55] Voice 5: Staff therefore recommends that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee File No. 501,

[2:37:00] Voice 5: cited as South Spring Island Land Use File 1999, I mean, No. 2, 2024, be adopted.

[2:37:07] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:37:09] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:37:12] Voice 8: Prestige, any questions or comments?

[2:37:15] Voice 8: All right.

[2:37:17] Voice 8: We've certainly seen this before, so it's just adoption today.

[2:37:23] Voice 4: I move that the Salt Spring Island

[2:37:25] Voice 4: Trust Committee bylaw number 541

[2:37:27] Voice 4: cited as Salt Spring Island land use

[2:37:29] Voice 4: bylaw 1999 amendment number

[2:37:31] Voice 4: 2 2024 be adopted

[2:37:35] Voice 8: seconded by

[2:37:36] Voice 8: Trustee Harris any further discussion

[2:37:38] Voice 8: not seeing any I'll call the question

[2:37:40] Voice 8: all those in favor

[2:37:41] Voice 8: and that carries

[2:37:43] Voice 8: okay next

[2:37:47] Voice 6: page

[2:37:52] Voice 6: 56

[2:37:57] Voice 8: development

[2:37:58] Voice 8: That's its development permit, and it's coming from Planner Henefik.

[2:38:06] Voice 13: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:38:08] Voice 13: The purpose of this report is to expand the Valley and Lee Corridor Area

[2:38:13] Voice 13: within Country Grocer Zoned Commercial 1, Variant A,

[2:38:18] Voice 13: located on Development Permit Area 1, Island Villages.

[2:38:23] Voice 13: The expansion area is currently used for outdoor sitting

[2:38:27] Voice 13: and is situated on an existing impermeable surface.

[2:38:32] Voice 13: Proposal involves a minor addition to a larger development

[2:38:35] Voice 13: that was approved under an earlier permit.

[2:38:39] Voice 13: In comparison to the previous permit,

[2:38:42] Voice 13: which involved 400 square meters or 4,300 square feet of floor area,

[2:38:48] Voice 13: the current proposal totaling 51 square meters or 549 square feet

[2:38:54] Voice 13: can be considered minor.

[2:38:55] Voice 13: minor. When considering the previous application, LTC passed a resolution waiving the requirement

[2:39:02] Voice 13: for noise, lighting, and vegetation assessment. Notification to neighbors and public consultations

[2:39:09] Voice 13: are not required as part of the development permit application processes. Finally, given

[2:39:15] Voice 13: the minor nature of proposed changes and the proposal's alignment with development permit

[2:39:22] Voice 13: Permit Area 1 Guidelines, staff recommend approval of the development permit.

[2:39:29] Voice 13: As alternatives, a local trust committee may wish to request further information, may refer

[2:39:36] Voice 13: the application to the advisory planning committee for feedback, or deny the application as last

[2:39:42] Voice 13: alternative.

[2:39:43] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:39:45] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:39:46] Voice 8: Is the applicant with us today?

[2:39:49] No?

[2:39:50] Voice 8: All right.

[2:39:51] Voice 8: All right, so trustees, any questions?

[2:39:57] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick.

[2:39:58] Voice 8: I

[2:39:58] Voice 4: know last time we had an application for them,

[2:40:04] Voice 4: I think I understand they're sort of evolving,

[2:40:07] Voice 4: the sites are constantly evolving,

[2:40:09] Voice 4: but at some point I think they're getting pretty landlocked

[2:40:12] Voice 4: in there of what future looks like on that property.

[2:40:18] Voice 4: I think it's, I just encourage them to think more

[2:40:22] Voice 4: of a master plan type thought for that property

[2:40:25] Voice 4: At some point, I can't disagree with this at all, but I think eventually what else could

[2:40:33] Voice 4: be done, because they are going to run out of parking sooner or later.

[2:40:39] Voice 13: Yeah, there is another development permit application, and in that they are also considering

[2:40:47] Voice 13: a parking plan.

[2:40:49] Voice 13: And if I understand correctly, the applicant supposed to be here with us today, I guess

[2:40:54] Voice 13: they are joining online.

[2:40:56] Voice 13: May I see if they are, do we have the applicant?

[2:41:10] Voice 6: Thomas Falcone, Glenn

[2:41:14] Voice 7: Williams, Sanders.

[2:41:17] Voice 8: Maybe

[2:41:19] Voice 13: they could not join.

[2:41:25] Voice 4: I think it's just something to mention to them that I think as they continue to grow,

[2:41:31] Voice 4: it's something to think of for that site.

[2:41:35] Voice 4: With flexibility, absolutely.

[2:41:37] Voice 4: But anyway,

[2:41:40] Voice 7: I have no

[2:41:41] Voice 4: objection to the proceeding.

[2:41:43] Voice 4: all

[2:41:44] Voice 8: right we have a recommendation in front of us i would like to make the motion sure

[2:41:51] Voice 4: i'm with the salt spring island trust committee approve issuance of development permit

[2:41:55] Voice 4: pld p20250189

[2:42:01] Voice 8: accepted by trustee harris uh any further discussion seeing any on call

[2:42:08] Voice 8: the question all those in favor and that carries thank you

[2:42:14] Voice 8: okay and next we have the delegated

[2:42:18] Voice 8: development permit appeal memo starting on page 84. i'm going to turn to staff to introduce the

[2:42:26] Voice 8: item thank you chair this is a delegated development department appeal and according to

[2:42:45] to that bylaw.

[2:42:47] An

[2:42:49] Voice 8: appeal is submitted to the legislative clerk

[2:42:52] Voice 8: as it was one of the first that we've received.

[2:42:54] Voice 8: It was reviewed by the director of legislative services

[2:42:58] Voice 8: and this memo was created.

[2:43:01] Voice 8: What is presented in the memo are the options

[2:43:04] Voice 8: that the LTC now has based on the bylaw

[2:43:09] Voice 8: and the appeal process.

[2:43:11] Voice 8: And so staff can answer any specific questions you have.

[2:43:17] Voice 8: I believe the applicant is here to answer any questions you have, but the options that

[2:43:23] Voice 8: are before you as next steps are what you decide amongst yourself as to how to proceed.

[2:43:30] Voice 8: We given that staff already provided a decision, we're limited to speak further unless we're

[2:43:40] Voice 8: asked questions similar to

[2:43:41] Voice 20: an application came before you.

[2:43:45] so

[2:43:45] Voice 8: you have both the original decision the original report the original decision by the

[2:43:51] Voice 8: director of planning services and the appeal and now we are here to answer your questions and

[2:43:56] Voice 8: of course um you might ask the applicant to to speak before any further questions just to

[2:44:04] Voice 8: provide their opinion of their appeal okay certainly i'll note that the memorandum

[2:44:12] Voice 8: outlines uh a number of potential uh next steps starting on page 84. but i'll turn

[2:44:20] Voice 8: to the applicant and see if there's anything that you wish to add this time

[2:44:28] Voice 8: yeah

[2:44:29] Voice 12: if you come a little bit closer to this camera here then the microphone will be able

[2:44:33] Voice 12: to pick your voice up better for folks online in the recording you can

[2:44:36] Voice 4: drag a chair up there

[2:44:38] Voice 4: there you go well

[2:44:52] Voice 8: first thank you to the trustees and to staff for this i think i'll briefly

[2:44:59] Voice 8: introduce our team and if i can have the time to let them speak a little bit first of all

[2:45:08] Voice 8: on timing this is the applications i don't know for a lot of 15 minutes or more but it might take

[2:45:13] Voice 8: a little bit longer than that so that's okay yeah uh if the tech allows we've got two consultants

[2:45:23] Voice 8: Thomas and Corbiday logged into Zoom so when we bring them up they can speak.

[2:45:29] Voice 8: The speaking sequence here is going to be Thomas Elliott. He prepared the geo and postal assessments

[2:45:38] Voice 8: so I've asked him to provide a quick overview of the project along with an update on the

[2:45:45] Voice 8: Ministry of Water, Land and Resource Stewardship application. We recently submitted our fifth

[2:45:51] Voice 8: information request response to Walrus. That's what we call them, Walrus. And this last response

[2:45:59] Voice 8: included findings from some diving work that we did a couple weeks back. So Thomas can

[2:46:04] Voice 8: touch on that. After that, we'll have Ryan. Ryan's with Corvidate. He's going to give

[2:46:08] Voice 8: a brief update on the CFO request for review advice. So we've recently extended that approval.

[2:46:16] Voice 8: approval. It also now includes further consideration on forage fish and eelgrass. After that, we

[2:46:24] Voice 8: have Ethan on behalf of the owners, who just wants to share some personal experience with

[2:46:28] Voice 8: the roach on the beach and the process that's gotten us this far. And then after that, I

[2:46:36] Voice 8: can wrap it up and we'll go through maybe any questions and answers that you have or

[2:46:41] Voice 8: we're delegating them out.

[2:46:43] Voice 8: So it says you might meet.

[2:46:47] Voice 8: Yeah, I think that's about it.

[2:46:48] Voice 8: If I could, I'd introduce Thomas on Zoom.

[2:46:52] Voice 8: Let's see, Thomas.

[2:46:54] Voice 8: There was another, this is Brian.

[2:46:56] Voice 8: Yeah, and is Brian joining us on Zoom or?

[2:46:59] Voice 8: He is, yeah.

[2:47:00] Voice 8: Okay, because I just,

[2:47:00] Voice 8: I didn't see him on the participants yet.

[2:47:04] Voice 8: So it might be under Julie.

[2:47:06] Voice 8: Julie, I don't see, I have a Patricia.

[2:47:09] Voice 8: I have a Thomas Falcone, I have a Serena Claver.

[2:47:11] Voice 8: I don't see a Ryan or a Julie, maybe he's not here yet.

[2:47:16] Voice 8: But go

[2:47:18] Voice 12: ahead, Mr. Elliott,

[2:47:20] Voice 8: start there.

[2:47:22] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:47:24] Voice 14: Oh, good afternoon, everyone.

[2:47:27] Voice 14: And thank you for receiving my input here today.

[2:47:30] Voice 14: What I would like to do in the time

[2:47:33] Voice 14: that I have available to me is speak towards the scope

[2:47:37] Voice 14: and intent of this project and how we've arrived,

[2:47:40] Voice 14: where we are, and I'm just going to get right to it because I understand time is precious.

[2:47:45] Voice 14: So we have a coastal environment that is being subject to degrading, degradation of both

[2:47:56] Voice 14: the natural processes, which support the beach itself, but also degradation of the habitat

[2:48:07] Voice 14: environment along the shoreline and coastal environment, consequent to those sediment

[2:48:14] Voice 14: processes being disrupted, but also to our changing climate, and consequence to which

[2:48:20] Voice 14: we were asked to look at an erosion shoreline protection strategy by the proponents.

[2:48:32] Voice 14: We listened to the proponents' health values, which was preservation of habitat and maintaining

[2:48:38] Voice 14: access and ensuring that we are having minimal intrusion to any of the spaces that we are

[2:48:44] Voice 14: looking to modify, for which we have developed a nature-based shoreline protection strategy

[2:48:51] Voice 14: that involves work both in the upland environment, so above the coastal bluff, to regulate and

[2:48:58] Voice 14: manage both groundwater as well as other natural hazards which can occur such as tree topple but

[2:49:07] Voice 14: then also address the the lion in the head house which is the ocean and its erosion of that coastal

[2:49:16] Voice 14: bluff itself and that would be through a practice known as beach nourishment which is the supply of

[2:49:24] Voice 14: of suitably sized sediment, typically clastic rocks and gravel,

[2:49:29] Voice 14: to a portion of the intertidal terrace,

[2:49:37] Voice 14: which extends out from the coastal bluff.

[2:49:40] Voice 14: The intention of that nourishment is to mimic the disrupted natural processes,

[2:49:47] Voice 14: mainly to supplement the lost supply of sediment to this beach,

[2:49:53] Voice 14: consequent to historic human activity in the area and we intend to do or we propose to do so

[2:50:00] Voice 14: using materials that are on the higher side of the size range that is there so that they will

[2:50:08] Voice 14: stay in place is what the strategy is. Now we have submitted this application to WLRS and Walrus

[2:50:17] Voice 14: has provided us with a great deal of communication, both from public input, but also from their

[2:50:23] Voice 14: technical experts as well. And we feel that we have provided them with a great deal of additional

[2:50:30] Voice 14: detail through that process. And my understanding is that those materials are available via the

[2:50:37] Voice 14: reference website and include actually our most recent response to their request for information.

[2:50:44] Voice 14: One of the critical components of that recent response has been a novel marine exploration using a diver.

[2:50:57] Voice 14: So we contracted the diver to go out offshore of the area that we are proposing this nature-based shoreline protection strategy for,

[2:51:06] Voice 14: to determine whether or not the gravel that has naturally occurred on the beach

[2:51:13] Voice 14: actually transfers off of the beach into the sensitive marine environments

[2:51:18] Voice 14: that host both clan beds and eelgrass beds.

[2:51:22] Voice 14: Now, what the diver found as they transited out there running transects back and forth

[2:51:27] Voice 14: is that there is no evidence of the rounded beach gravel transporting from the beach

[2:51:36] Voice 14: into those environments and the only uh coarse fragments or rock fragments that are being found

[2:51:43] Voice 14: out there are typically the oblate so platy almost if you form your hands like this that's that's the

[2:51:50] Voice 14: form of the of the the rocks that we're finding out there uh and they are derived from local

[2:51:58] Voice 14: local natural shale and siltstone and are only resident if they are actually coming off the

[2:52:07] Voice 14: coastal bluff they're only resident there for a short period of time because they're also

[2:52:11] Voice 14: they don't show any signs of weathering or rounding meaning that in totality what we're

[2:52:18] Voice 14: looking at is a system that is continuing to lose these clastic baggages they're losing rocks out

[2:52:26] Voice 14: to those sensitive environmental receptors in a natural process,

[2:52:34] Voice 14: but there is no replenishment of that supply.

[2:52:36] Voice 14: So we are, in fact, losing those rock fragments

[2:52:40] Voice 14: and losing that volume of rock from the beach.

[2:52:42] Voice 14: So we are continuing to see a degradation of this Baker Beach environment

[2:52:47] Voice 14: as those sediment supply becomes more and more constrained.

[2:52:52] Voice 14: So the latter part of our application, being the beach nourishment, is looking to mimic a natural process, if not supplement what has been disrupted by human activities in the area.

[2:53:09] Voice 14: With that, I believe that the next speaker should take on the next task, which is the commentary on habitat.

[2:53:18] Voice 14: had

[2:53:18] Voice 8: so what thomas was referring to that was the last response to walrus

[2:53:28] Voice 8: with kind of information requests to us some different type of details

[2:53:33] Voice 8: i went out to them two weeks ago which was also informing their own concerns about habitat

[2:53:39] Voice 8: attack grass, forage fish. Is Ryan on now?

[2:53:46] Voice 8: Let's check here. Still not seeing a Ryan on here.

[2:53:57] Voice 3: How about a Julie?

[2:53:59] Voice 8: Don't see a Julie either.

[2:54:01] Voice 8: It could be they were trying to jump in while they're on a site somewhere else.

[2:54:05] Voice 8: Might be a technical issue going on there.

[2:54:09] Voice 8: If I could summarize for Ryan, he could answer this as a follow-up question.

[2:54:13] Voice 8: so I think it was early last week or the week before

[2:54:17] Voice 8: we already had the DFO advice for the project

[2:54:21] Voice 8: so their approval with program mitigations

[2:54:26] Voice 8: but that was going to expire this year

[2:54:29] Voice 8: so we had to extend it. Ryan was working with DFO

[2:54:34] Voice 8: for that extension which we have

[2:54:38] Voice 8: which now also includes more consideration

[2:54:45] Voice 8: consideration for any forage fish or grass habitat. The first

[2:54:50] Voice 8: approval also did, but I think we just wanted to add a little

[2:54:53] Voice 8: bit more detail into there. So I understood it. I think that's

[2:54:58] Voice 8: probably all I would need to touch on for Ryan unless he

[2:55:02] Voice 8: happens to jump in later than we could ask him. From there, if we

[2:55:21] Voice 8: So my name is Ethan. I'm one of the applicants for this project. I'm a fellow applicant here at

[2:55:26] Voice 8: Tide and Swiftly as well. And since you haven't really heard from us so much, I just want to

[2:55:31] Voice 8: describe our project and the reason for doing it. Namely, for those of you who have been down at

[2:55:36] Voice 8: Baker Beach, you'll notice that erosion

[2:55:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is a real thing.

[2:55:38] Voice 8: It's occurring. You can just keel away at

[2:55:40] Voice 8: the rock even by hand the sun is

[2:55:42] Voice 8: affecting that the uh the ocean especially at king tides which

[2:55:45] Voice 8: are occurring more and more frequency and more devastating effects are eroding it at a faster

[2:55:50] Voice 8: rate than even before um so we just as homeowners are cautious and wary of that those effects and

[2:55:57] Voice 8: we just want to protect our properties from further erosion in a way that meets the guidelines

[2:56:03] Voice 8: environmentally respectful ways according to guidelines from the federal government the

[2:56:07] Voice 8: province and Islands Trust in the best way possible. So we started this project in 2022

[2:56:14] Voice 8: to look into what the various options might be and the best approaches. They made a formal

[2:56:18] Voice 8: application towards the end of 2023 and have hired biologists, geologists, geotechs, and

[2:56:25] Voice 8: gotten everybody who possibly could, any stakeholders involved in this process.

[2:56:30] Voice 8: The main fact is that we just don't do anything right then our slopes are in danger of eroding.

[2:56:36] Voice 8: And not only that, as much as the eelgrass are affected, but even if the slopes do erode,

[2:56:41] Voice 8: then the trees that are on the shore and the slope soil itself are in danger of just falling

[2:56:47] Voice 8: into the water and this will surely happen.

[2:56:49] Voice 8: And those trees, of course, are habitats for eagles and herons and bats and other creatures.

[2:56:54] Voice 8: And part of the ancillary benefit to protecting our properties is also to protect the habitat

[2:56:59] Voice 8: of those other creatures, other species that haven't been there so much.

[2:57:04] Voice 8: We know that the erosion is a real effect because the CRD itself has built a rock wall

[2:57:08] Voice 8: to protect Baker Beach.

[2:57:10] Voice 8: For the stairs and for the rampway going down, the access to Baker Beach only exists because

[2:57:18] Voice 8: of seawall protection measures that were put into place.

[2:57:21] Voice 8: If the rock walls and their seawall protection wasn't there, nobody would get access to it.

[2:57:26] Voice 8: That slope would have eroded and it would have been too dangerous for anything to get.

[2:57:30] Voice 8: So I think it's critical the fact that CRD thinks that erosion protection measures were necessary.

[2:57:36] Voice 8: I think it's an important point.

[2:57:38] Voice 8: We're asking for similar respect and consideration as well that we should be able to protect our property in a way that prevents our properties from going deep into the water.

[2:57:50] Voice 8: The other factor is during the process, we tried to get as much stakeholder involvement as we thought was reasonable and reacted to concerns.

[2:57:58] Voice 8: So we built a website, BakerBeach.ca, which I think everybody hopefully has had a chance to see, right, to try to maintain

[2:58:04] Voice 8: community involvement, because it's a process that I don't think had been done on Salt Spring before, because it's new to us, new to many of the people here.

[2:58:12] Voice 8: And so we just did our best effort to try to make it as fair and considerate a proposal as possible, meeting all the guidelines.

[2:58:21] Voice 8: ones. That one factor to something we're talking about

[2:58:25] Voice 8: was that it's a large project, right? There's maybe the scale

[2:58:31] Voice 8: put some people off, but it's a large project, because it's

[2:58:34] Voice 8: three property owners that are doing this. There's three salt

[2:58:37] Voice 8: spring owners that came together collaboratively to share the

[2:58:42] Voice 8: costs, but also realizing that there's a large this whole beach

[2:58:45] Voice 8: front should be protected, the whole seawall should be area

[2:58:47] Voice 8: should be protected. It's not just one property. So by

[2:58:50] Voice 8: collaborating and coming together to do this we feel like we're providing a really good solution

[2:58:54] Voice 8: for the for that whole beachfront area to protect everything not just one small uh property and also

[2:59:00] Voice 8: hoping that it would be more advantageous even for highlands trust and wrs and uh federal government

[2:59:08] Voice 8: to look at this as a collective group rather than three separate applications would be much more time

[2:59:13] Voice 8: consuming uh yeah so many of us kind of probably want to protect our property and protect the

[2:59:20] Voice 8: the slope and the habitat that exists on that as well,

[2:59:23] Voice 8: and fall in line with the CRB,

[2:59:25] Voice 8: the fact that they've built a rock wall

[2:59:26] Voice 8: and see it necessary to protect their property.

[2:59:29] Voice 8: We want to protect ours as well.

[2:59:32] Voice 8: And we hope that you'll give us fair consideration here.

[2:59:35] Voice 8: And I hope that you also see that we've met the guidelines

[2:59:39] Voice 8: and see fit to fall that into consideration,

[2:59:43] Voice 8: to see fit to approve our application of the treaty

[2:59:48] Voice 8: for favor of the agreement.

[2:59:50] Voice 8: Thank you. I'll just note I still don't see Julie or Ryan on the podcast.

[3:00:00] Voice 8: So I don't know if there's further that you wanted to address that they were going to

[3:00:04] Voice 8: for you?

[3:00:05] Voice 8: I think I touched on the main point there, which mostly was the VFO RFR extension.

[3:00:12] Voice 8: I just wanted to do a quick summary on where we're at with things, and then hopefully get

[3:00:19] Voice 8: some questions and answers,

[3:00:20] Voice 6: some

[3:00:21] Voice 8: answers to your questions.

[3:00:24] Voice 8: So yes, this is a nature-based shoreline protection project.

[3:00:27] Voice 8: it's not hard armoring even though in different spots along the niche already this is hard armoring

[3:00:33] Voice 8: we're still under a crown tenure review by walrus we have the dive imagery and drone data that we've

[3:00:39] Voice 8: seen in jane the dfo request for referral advice including no hat hdd instead of the

[3:00:49] Voice 8: mitigation extension that's been accepted. We believe within the Salt Spring OCT by-law,

[3:00:59] Voice 8: the project probably is exempt. We've been seeking clarification on that.

[3:01:03] Voice 8: We'll see by the subsection E.3.1.3F, which is a vegetation removal within 10 meters of the

[3:01:15] Voice 8: natural boundary of the sea or works below the natural boundary of the sea that have been

[3:01:20] Voice 8: improved in writing by the ministry of environment or the department of fisheries notions is exactly

[3:01:26] Voice 8: the more for the trustees i mean we've appreciated everyone's intent on shoreline protection

[3:01:38] Voice 8: maybe why this process has taken longer than the work

[3:01:41] Voice 8: that's been proposed is below the natural

[3:01:46] Voice 8: boundary of the ocean. Vegetation removal is exempt by the laws I was speaking to.

[3:01:51] Voice 8: Planting would be exempt too as they're not mentioned in the bylaw. We're currently under

[3:01:59] Voice 8: the Walrus and DFO jurisdiction for those scopes. At that point I think we're just we're seeking

[3:02:07] Voice 8: your commentary but also clarity whether you recognize that exemption criteria as well

[3:02:15] Voice 8: considering the provincial processes that are already going on and the federal ones too.

[3:02:19] Voice 8: and ultimately we're seeking a timeline to the timeline to resolution as part of this process

[3:02:26] Voice 8: right now we introduced the project in 2022 with questions to staff we had formal meetings in 2023

[3:02:34] Voice 8: we submitted at the end of 2023 so now we're 19 months since then so we're just

[3:02:42] Voice 8: we're seeking a pathway answer without that thank you very much okay thank you for all

[3:02:52] Voice 8: of that does these

[3:02:55] Voice 8: questions comment i realize that this has been out for a while this is already

[3:03:00] Voice 8: turned down once this is an appeal is that correct another comment is that we have members of the

[3:03:07] penelope

[3:03:07] Voice 8: band who hold shellfish tenure in that area in their interview this morning

[3:03:12] Voice 8: wasn't concerned about being involved in this appeal anything say to them so our

[3:03:26] Voice 8: for First Nations is through Walrus, so anything we can send through Walrus, we send it to

[3:03:32] Voice 8: now.

[3:03:34] Voice 6: And to say, let's give them first updates on this project at the same time as

[3:03:44] Voice 6: Island

[3:03:45] Voice 6: Trust,

[3:03:45] Voice 8: which was in 2022.

[3:03:47] Voice 8: And we've got to keep on as much updates as we can.

[3:03:53] Voice 8: Same with the diagram.

[3:03:53] Voice 7: would have an opportunity to

[3:03:56] Voice 6: come to their consideration. So

[3:03:58] Voice 6: they're going to see how to run that action. So

[3:04:12] Voice 7: personally, on the beach twice, Josh James, who lives here and

[3:04:18] Voice 7: two others. So Kirk, and one more. And I feel like maybe

[3:04:28] Voice 7: Maybe there might be some inviting people to our correspondence right now.

[3:04:36] That's hard because there are interests

[3:04:37] Voice 7: that would be shown to the recognition that they have a piece there.

[3:04:42] Voice 7: That's relatively positive.

[3:04:44] Voice 7: Maybe have the opportunity to speak to our consultants as well.

[3:04:55] Voice 6: Through the, yeah, you know, from everything that's been hired for information that's come through to me,

[3:05:12] and

[3:05:12] Voice 8: not for careful consideration i'm not prepared to uh to support this um application at this

[3:05:22] moment possibly if there was a different scenario where members of the panel could and yourselves

[3:05:28] were sitting side by side in their dialogue between the three parties um it could be different

[3:05:37] Voice 8: at this point I want to be in favor of this I think

[3:05:49] Voice 4: I know you know we have heard a lot from

[3:05:52] Voice 4: the public but um development permit areas are under the local government act part 14 division

[3:05:59] Voice 4: 7 and they're applied by lots of municipalities and others as well as the islands trust and they

[3:06:07] Voice 4: are generally designed on professional reliance mapped areas and objectives that are in the OCPs

[3:06:13] Voice 4: and the guidelines that are in the OCP or in zoning bylaws.

[3:06:17] Voice 4: So we're no different

[3:06:18] Voice 4: than any other communities.

[3:06:20] Voice 4: The development permit is, unfortunately,

[3:06:24] Voice 4: it's a tool that's designed

[3:06:25] Voice 4: that doesn't have public input as a factor,

[3:06:28] Voice 4: doesn't have First Nations input as a factor.

[3:06:32] Voice 4: And the decisions are not discretionary.

[3:06:35] Voice 4: We have to be able to say whether the guidelines

[3:06:38] Voice 4: met or not.

[3:06:38] Voice 4: So I just wanted to reiterate that this is the box

[3:06:42] Voice 4: that we are put in and that it's always hard to understand.

[3:06:53] Voice 4: I also, I just wanted to disclose,

[3:06:55] Voice 4: I'm a non-practicing professional geologist,

[3:06:58] Voice 4: but I don't have experience or expertise

[3:07:01] Voice 4: in slope stability or erosion,

[3:07:04] Voice 4: but I just wanted to make sure that you knew I was a geologist.

[3:07:10] Voice 4: I've read the reports, spent all weekend.

[3:07:13] Voice 4: There's a lot of reports here,

[3:07:14] Voice 4: So I've read the reports, and I've read the reports from our staff on the non-issuance,

[3:07:21] Voice 4: and I understand the applicant has been in communication with staff for some time,

[3:07:26] Voice 4: and I believe our staff have been working in good faith to work with you

[3:07:30] Voice 4: and have spent a fair bit of time, as indicated by the seriousness that staff were taking in the evaluation of the application.

[3:07:37] Voice 4: As trustees, we weren't aware of the applications until this fall,

[3:07:42] Voice 4: and pretty much the same time the public were aware

[3:07:46] Voice 4: is when the crown lease referral were in,

[3:07:51] Voice 4: which so that was the timing in which we became aware

[3:07:56] Voice 4: of this as well.

[3:07:58] Voice 4: In your report here in the staff report on lines 91 to 93,

[3:08:04] Voice 4: refer to the purpose of the proposal

[3:08:06] Voice 4: to supplement a clean aggregate

[3:08:09] Voice 4: to a human disrupted foreshore sediment supply

[3:08:13] Voice 4: in an effort to emulate a natural dynamic shoreline process

[3:08:18] Voice 4: with defined ecological hazard reduction benefits.

[3:08:22] Voice 4: That's a mouthful.

[3:08:24] Voice 4: And I sort of, I've heard that from Thomas,

[3:08:27] Voice 4: opening here on,

[3:08:30] Voice 4: he was talking about degradation of natural processes

[3:08:34] Voice 4: and habitat and sediment processes

[3:08:38] Voice 4: that's being disrupted by changing climate.

[3:08:44] Voice 4: When I walk along this stretch of beach,

[3:08:48] Voice 4: I see a natural rock outcrop.

[3:08:52] Voice 4: I see human-built stairs.

[3:08:54] Voice 4: I see some of the shoreline protections

[3:08:56] Voice 4: that have been put in place.

[3:08:59] Voice 4: Occasional tree falls or slope,

[3:09:01] Voice 4: coming down the slope.

[3:09:03] Voice 4: And I don't really observe.

[3:09:07] Voice 4: I've been coming to this beach for about 30 years

[3:09:09] Voice 4: and I don't really notice anything hugely different I don't live there so I don't see

[3:09:15] Voice 4: the slopes as closely as you do and and I believe your commitment to the environment and and that

[3:09:24] Voice 4: um I did on your diving you said that that there was no evidence of of rounded beach gravel

[3:09:38] Voice 4: But would that really be expected to be found when this rock outcrop, as you said yourself,

[3:09:46] Voice 4: is a slaty mudstone, as it's disintegrating and reaching the action of the waves, wouldn't

[3:09:58] Voice 4: it just be falling apart rather than getting round, I guess is a technical question.

[3:10:04] Voice 4: I see Thomas can answer that.

[3:10:05] Voice 14: Yeah, so much of the rounded clastic fragments, so much of the

[3:10:10] Voice 14: rounded rocks, and why I'm able to actually say that there are those rounded rocks that exist on

[3:10:16] Voice 14: the beach is because we took 20 plus sediment samples from different locations along the beach

[3:10:22] Voice 14: and characterized them all. And most of those rounded rocks are actually from the overburden

[3:10:30] Voice 14: on the upland portion so they're actually being transported from the overland or they're being

[3:10:35] Voice 14: transported from further up in the drift cell so along the shore and both of those processes

[3:10:43] Voice 14: have been disrupted. The upland materials because humans like a stable environment we try to impose

[3:10:51] Voice 14: a stable environment and we look to stop the land from sliding into the ocean

[3:10:57] Voice 14: ocean. And that is an aspect of development and habitation. And then the disruption of the

[3:11:06] Voice 14: alongshore sediment is consequent to some historic, I couldn't even find when it actually

[3:11:12] Voice 14: started, but modification of the shoreline through blasting or a sidecast of large rock and the

[3:11:20] Voice 14: placement of sediment capture weir structures in the foreshore environment. That is far outside

[3:11:27] Voice 14: of our proposed area of work, but it is still within the same drift cell or the same contiguous

[3:11:34] Voice 14: sediment supply system. Now, you are correct. The local shale and siltstone that does fall

[3:11:45] Voice 14: from the coastal bluff would be pulverized relatively quickly compared to those harder

[3:11:53] Voice 14: stones. But the more likely outcome is exactly what the dive has actually revealed to us,

[3:11:59] Voice 14: which is because of its platey structure, it has more loft, and therefore it gets transported

[3:12:05] Voice 14: out of the swash zone, so where the tide goes in and out before it gets pulverized. And even

[3:12:12] Voice 14: if it does get pulverized, then it's transported as sand, which then nourishes the eelgrass.

[3:12:17] Voice 14: all

[3:12:21] Voice 4: that rock is going to be coming just from the face i mean you've got the whole beach is

[3:12:27] Voice 4: a rock outcrop so it could be also breaking off from the outcrop but um um anyway the other

[3:12:36] Voice 4: questions i i i i do have other questions that more see yes what's going to happen over time

[3:12:46] Voice 4: with these beach nourishment berms uh you do have your your cross profiles where you show sort of

[3:12:53] Voice 4: the berm being neatly placed and that it will kind of stretch out um and then because you're

[3:13:02] Voice 4: not applying it all the way across the beach only in front of the properties that the applications

[3:13:09] Voice 4: are for. So there'd be breaks between there. So I look at what happens as a result of where

[3:13:20] Voice 4: the berm stops and starts again.

[3:13:24] Voice 14: If I can support that question with additional

[3:13:29] Voice 14: information, we took the minimal intrusion mission very, very closely here. And we looked

[3:13:38] Voice 14: at both the composition of the coastal bluff but also the existing barrier reefs that are just off

[3:13:45] Voice 14: of shore and also the existence of either gravel or bedrock substrate in the intertidal area and

[3:13:55] Voice 14: evaluated the potential of wave energy reaching the the coastal bluff and we are looking to

[3:14:02] Voice 14: provide the breach nourishment just for the areas that are most susceptible or otherwise

[3:14:07] Voice 14: otherwise not protected by natural features.

[3:14:13] Voice 6: And

[3:14:18] Voice 4: as I understand from your report, again,

[3:14:22] Voice 4: I think page 208 was in our agenda package

[3:14:27] Voice 4: is what I noted.

[3:14:31] Voice 4: Talk about most of this is coming,

[3:14:34] Voice 19: the

[3:14:35] Voice 4: sediment that is getting mobilized

[3:14:36] Voice 4: is you're calling it high consequence,

[3:14:41] Voice 4: but I'm only seeing, isn't that generally

[3:14:44] Voice 4: from when there's a tree fall is that the primary failure mechanism so

[3:14:52] Voice 14: uh landslips and uh landslides

[3:14:56] Voice 14: or tree put topple um are those mechanisms that uh just deliver the whole um the whole sediment

[3:15:04] Voice 14: profile so they they have everything from your fine clays all the way up to your boulders

[3:15:08] Voice 14: within them right

[3:15:10] Voice 4: but they're not occurring they're not big occurrences we're not seeing

[3:15:14] Voice 4: the whole slope coming there we're seeing small areas is my question that

[3:15:19] Voice 14: is correct uh and the

[3:15:22] Voice 14: that was actually a very similar question to what uh wlrs was asking about they wanted uh

[3:15:28] Voice 14: information about um significant uh slope failures and the nature of the rock is that while it does

[3:15:36] Voice 14: not about the bedrock that forms up the coastal bluff it does not fail in catastrophic or large

[3:15:42] Voice 14: ways but it fails more frequently and smaller to moderate ways it's it's you're going to see

[3:15:48] Voice 14: a very similar rate of erosion over time um

[3:15:53] Voice 4: and on page 209 in the report it talks about

[3:15:57] Voice 4: it does say that the building locations are are safe for the intended use of single family dwellings

[3:16:04] Voice 4: um and then also on page 225 it makes reference to off-site erosion from you know to me it's sort

[3:16:16] Voice 4: of questioning water management on the building sites as being a potential contributor to some of

[3:16:24] Voice 4: this erosion?

[3:16:26] Voice 14: So with these systems they're not just the ocean and they're not just the uplands

[3:16:34] Voice 14: they're not just the coastal bluff it is all things integrated together and where you have

[3:16:39] Voice 14: areas of concentrated water you're going to have enhanced weathering of the bedrock through which

[3:16:46] Voice 14: it's trying to travel that then weakens it and that makes it more susceptible to toe erosion

[3:16:51] Voice 14: from the marine environment and that cycle continues to chew away at this coastal bluff

[3:16:56] Voice 14: i

[3:17:02] Voice 4: can tell you i'm challenged i'm i am challenged i look carefully i've i've read

[3:17:08] Voice 4: my staff know i like to look i'll criticize happily when i uh have questions uh for staff

[3:17:16] Voice 4: and I challenge but I'm this is an unusual case I do have to agree with them the materials

[3:17:27] Voice 4: while you would argue that it's not fill it's still material being placed on the beach

[3:17:35] Voice 4: fill seems like a reasonable description of it the material will be placed there

[3:17:43] Voice 4: It will change the character of the beach. It's a lot of it. So I don't disagree with

[3:17:53] Voice 4: their findings that it's a lot of material. I can't see how it wouldn't affect the natural

[3:18:10] Voice 4: or the impact on fish habitat it's it the beach to me it has by naturally released a small amount

[3:18:20] Voice 4: of sediment that's what's been occurring for however millions of years it's been exposed

[3:18:28] Voice 4: on that beach it is a slow degradation process and it's not a it's not a sandy beach it's not a

[3:18:35] Voice 4: but it doesn't have that type of sediment.

[3:18:38] Voice 4: It's a rock outcrop.

[3:18:44] Voice 14: So,

[3:18:44] Voice 6: yeah, go ahead.

[3:18:45] Voice 14: And we are looking to mimic a natural process,

[3:18:57] Voice 14: such as a landslide or something else of that nature.

[3:19:03] Voice 14: But we are, in that same breath,

[3:19:06] Voice 14: we are looking to remove the fine sediment fractions and removing the clays, the silts,

[3:19:14] Voice 14: and the fine sands, which are classically known to smother and cause harm to shoreline habitat.

[3:19:24] Voice 14: habitat. In that sense, we are looking to replace a disrupted natural process that has

[3:19:39] Voice 14: been going on for millions of years. And to that end, while it may fit the category of

[3:19:47] Voice 14: fill, this is some very tailored fill. It's being identified for both its lack of reactivity to the

[3:20:01] Voice 14: environment, but also its similarity or self-similarity to what is already there.

[3:20:07] Voice 14: And then we have also looked to increase the size, the average size of it, such that it will stay in

[3:20:14] Voice 14: place under the growing and increasing energetics of our marine environment under the changing

[3:20:21] Voice 14: climate. So we are forward-looking while being sensitive to the existing system, but we do see

[3:20:32] Voice 14: opportunity to improve a degraded system, and we are hoping that you would as well.

[3:20:43] Voice 4: yeah i'm excited i think it's the size the sheer size of this it's you know it's it's a lot of

[3:20:52] Voice 4: material it's a lot of each area it's uh we don't go sorry

[3:20:59] Voice 8: sorry to interrupt you

[3:21:01] Voice 8: you know what i mentioned it's also three properties so that should be taken into

[3:21:05] Voice 8: consideration as well this wouldn't seem so massive of a work if those individual

[3:21:09] Voice 8: individual applications done at separate times. I think that to your point, it doesn't seem as hard. So we consider it just as three separate properties. I think that's a lot more manageable size.

[3:21:28] Voice 8: There's seven and seven will go in regardless, like from the slopes, whether it's like our slope and nature and our properties that we'll take over whether we put this inert sub rocks in there to protect protect those properties and some of that will go in.

[3:21:40] Voice 8: it. But regardless, some some properties will

[3:21:43] Voice 8: really matter. Let's let's add some sediment that

[3:21:47] Voice 8: just protects the property.

[3:21:56] Voice 7: I think one of the things that we can see here, if

[3:22:07] Voice 7: you walk the beach in the last five years, you'll

[3:22:09] Voice 7: see that there's been some major slumps of trees

[3:22:12] Voice 7: coming out and pulling huge chunks of material off the banks, the cane tides come right up to the shore about a meter up the slope.

[3:22:22] They're not just looking at the bottom centimeter.

[3:22:25] The other thing is that our applications have been through us

[3:22:28] Voice 7: for two years, and we've received almost no communication from staff.

[3:22:32] Voice 7: It hasn't been a collaborative effort.

[3:22:35] Voice 7: With the DFO enrolment, there has been a back and forth.

[3:22:38] Voice 7: If you change this, we suggest that you change the application.

[3:22:58] Voice 7: I would like to know

[3:23:15] Voice 7: if this rejected

[3:23:18] Voice 7: how maybe the whole process might change, so other owners will need to go through this.

[3:23:24] Voice 7: And if it isn't going through, how do we approach this differently?

[3:23:28] Voice 7: The creative owner might see some sort of a way to manage that, and other owners can work on it.

[3:23:39] Voice 7: We were told originally WAPL couldn't be done, so we tried to do the best environmental process possible,

[3:23:50] Voice 7: Yeah,

[3:23:53] Voice 8: and just to your last point there, Trustee Patrick touched on this and

[3:24:00] Voice 12: certainly we heard

[3:24:01] Voice 12: from members of the public this morning requesting that these

[3:24:04] Voice 8: type of applications are no longer

[3:24:08] Voice 8: delegated out to staff.

[3:24:10] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick mentioned that it was the fall before we were alerted to this being

[3:24:19] Voice 8: in process.

[3:24:20] Voice 8: So there's, in terms of the delegation

[3:24:22] Voice 8: of these applications,

[3:24:24] Voice 8: I think there's some questions for this committee

[3:24:26] Voice 8: to consider going forward,

[3:24:29] Voice 8: if that's the delegated approval process

[3:24:32] Voice 8: is continues to be the appropriate approach.

[3:24:38] Voice 12: That's not the question today,

[3:24:41] Voice 12: but I just wanna identify that this application

[3:24:44] Voice 12: is raising questions both amongst public

[3:24:46] Voice 8: and within the committee about the existing process

[3:24:49] Voice 8: and whether that's the best way for it to to to happen in the future um i think this process

[3:24:58] proposals being judged on the guidelines that were set out in the process that was set out

[3:25:03] when it was applied i think that's sort of what you can get on at this moment

[3:25:07] Voice 8: right and as well

[3:25:08] Voice 8: like harris said that he wants to reject it because how good

[3:25:13] Voice 8: they have to give them a little approval for that that's just one reason

[3:25:17] Voice 8: Okay, we came pretty fast to the objective of the manufacturers, we look at the appeal process for the many points that your staff came up with, or you would address all those, I'd like to see the application in consideration to see whether or not those reasons, whether our response to those reasons for rejection are sufficient to merit approval of the project now.

[3:25:40] Voice 8: satisfied the island's trust staff's concerns that they raised in that because those points

[3:25:47] the five or six points that they raised

[3:25:48] Voice 8: the reasons they gave for rejection i think have

[3:25:51] Voice 8: been met and we've addressed those concerns that's why i think it's a good point in our

[3:25:57] Voice 8: favor that we

[3:25:58] Voice 9: have in fact addressed the staff's

[3:26:00] Voice 6: concerns did you have something to add or okay

[3:26:05] Voice 6: just thought i saw your question did

[3:26:08] Voice 8: you have something i

[3:26:09] Voice 4: mean i i i've carefully read your

[3:26:13] Voice 4: your response to our staff's concerns.

[3:26:19] Voice 4: But I haven't, I can't justify that you have convinced me

[3:26:26] Voice 4: that their concerns have been addressed,

[3:26:30] Voice 4: that this is, I think it's because of the sheer size

[3:26:34] Voice 4: of the material here and the impacts

[3:26:38] Voice 4: on the natural system that's there.

[3:26:44] Voice 4: well, I understand you're trying to mimic it and do the best you can, that it is challenging.

[3:26:56] Voice 4: And it certainly does attract a lot of attention because of the size. I think that's another

[3:27:03] Voice 9: challenge.

[3:27:03] Voice 9: Can

[3:27:04] Voice 4: I ask what size would be appropriate?

[3:27:06] Voice 8: Would it be like 75% of the amount?

[3:27:08] Voice 4: I don't know.

[3:27:09] Voice 8: 40%?

[3:27:10] Voice 8: that i

[3:27:12] Voice 4: don't know i i i mean from a process perspective i i do hear you i do hear your

[3:27:19] Voice 4: concerns of erosion i know we're going to be facing a lot more climate change and sea level

[3:27:25] Voice 4: rise all over the island um and process going forward forward i'm certainly we have our ocp

[3:27:36] Voice 4: the land use bylaw project that we're looking at now,

[3:27:39] Voice 4: I'm open to trying to come up with a process

[3:27:42] Voice 4: that's going to work for the entire island,

[3:27:47] Voice 4: probably all

[3:27:47] Voice 7: of the islands out here,

[3:27:48] Voice 4: because Salt Spring's not unique

[3:27:50] Voice 4: in what's going to happen as time goes on with the storms.

[3:27:57] Voice 4: But I'm just, I'm not convinced.

[3:28:01] Voice 4: I see this berm in your cross sections,

[3:28:07] Voice 4: if it pancakes out in your own cross-sections.

[3:28:17] Voice 4: And I just don't, I just think this is true.

[3:28:22] Voice 4: Can I

[3:28:22] Voice 8: ask if you don't know,

[3:28:23] Voice 8: if you think it's too much,

[3:28:25] Voice 8: the amount of material that's being brought,

[3:28:27] Voice 8: how can you say that it's too much

[3:28:29] Voice 8: if you don't know what an appropriate amount of material

[3:28:30] Voice 8: would be, like if it's half that amount,

[3:28:33] Voice 8: that's the appropriate amount, you don't know.

[3:28:35] Voice 8: In fact, if you don't know,

[3:28:37] Voice 8: maybe it's the case that the amount of material

[3:28:38] Voice 8: we were putting in there is far less than the amount that we considered too much but we were

[3:28:43] Voice 8: well within the appropriate amount drive field we are the rest of the applicants feel that we are

[3:28:48] Voice 8: that is not an accessible amount we're

[3:28:50] Voice 7: just making that based on no we're making that assumption or

[3:28:53] Voice 7: making that

[3:28:53] Voice 8: claim based on no facts whatsoever if i have a partner it's hard to reject that

[3:28:59] Voice 8: occupation on that basis let's see having your hand up here in the front here and i'll come to

[3:29:09] Voice 3: our

[3:29:14] Voice 4: job is to try to interpret and understand the ocp the objectives and the reasons of these

[3:29:19] Voice 4: these guidelines were placed in here they are old i'll openly admit our ocp has been updated

[3:29:26] Voice 4: since 2008 and i didn't go back to see if these even date back to what year they date back to

[3:29:34] Voice 4: 1998 but even 2008 I'd argue that our brains weren't awake yet to you know climate change

[3:29:42] Voice 4: and the effects that we were having and my my interpretation as I look at what the intent was

[3:29:48] Voice 4: for the objectives and this OCP was more small projects it was being a property putting in a dock

[3:29:56] Voice 4: you know that they were it was

[3:30:00] Voice 4: really designed for you know one property doing something was the intent of this it was not

[3:30:05] Voice 4: intending to look at something that's as broad and big as three properties in a row or not row

[3:30:11] Voice 4: every other property they're doing some work so that's the frame i'm trying to apply to this is

[3:30:20] Voice 4: what was understood by the guidelines that when they were developed what frame set was there

[3:30:25] Voice 4: there and that's it's the extent um it's it is a bit of an experiment like it or not nature you

[3:30:35] Voice 4: don't know what nature is when you can calculate it you can do all the engineering and understand

[3:30:40] Voice 4: what what you think is going to happen you won't know until it's done uh that's where

[3:30:46] Voice 4: monitoring and careful looking at it is what's going to happen and it's just it's a it's a big

[3:30:52] Voice 4: experiment

[3:30:55] Voice 8: response than trustee harris i

[3:30:58] Voice 6: guess

[3:31:00] Voice 8: with that concern is there an alternative design

[3:31:13] Voice 6: i

[3:31:15] Voice 8: don't i

[3:31:24] Voice 4: don't know i mean i've your own reports raised there are some questions of

[3:31:28] Voice 4: management of water up in the hydro properties,

[3:31:33] Voice 4: drive water coming down driveways and water and other things that are

[3:31:36] Voice 4: identified. So I don't know if that's been exhausted, what can be done

[3:31:40] Voice 4: if the upper water is causing some

[3:31:45] Voice 4: of the challenges.

[3:31:49] Voice 4: Thank

[3:31:49] Voice 14: you. So to

[3:31:53] Voice 14: address that and then hopefully to actually tie together a number of these discussion

[3:31:57] Voice 14: point with an example, a relatively recent example. I'm going to take just a couple of

[3:32:02] Voice 14: minutes here. So the water arriving from uplands and the management of it, consequent to human

[3:32:10] Voice 14: activities, roads, buildings, et cetera, that is actually being looked at. And it is part of the

[3:32:17] Voice 14: plan already. It is an integral part of this plan because it is going to basically supply

[3:32:22] Voice 14: the water that will allow the revegetation to take hold and we are targeting the areas where

[3:32:29] Voice 14: there is wetness with fast evapotranspirating plants to essentially dry them out using native

[3:32:36] Voice 14: species so that we are in by that mechanism almost intercepting the water before it hits

[3:32:45] Voice 14: that coastal bluff which is susceptible to the weathering and erosion that it would drive

[3:32:49] Voice 14: So we are aware of and have considered and integrated any of the upland processes that involve water, surface water, intercepted stormwater or groundwater, and any kind of water that is being delivered to the subsurface via ancillary infrastructure such as sewerage, on-site sewerage systems.

[3:33:16] Voice 14: So all of those are being considered within the plan that has been proposed, and we feel that that component has to be matched with the component on the beach in the marine environment.

[3:33:33] Voice 14: because what we're asking the proponents to do

[3:33:37] Voice 14: if we are limiting it just to the upland area

[3:33:40] Voice 14: is, hey, let's do a bunch of restoration work

[3:33:43] Voice 14: and revegetation and groundwater management work

[3:33:46] Voice 14: on the upland area,

[3:33:47] Voice 14: which may just fall into the ocean

[3:33:50] Voice 14: because we didn't protect below it.

[3:33:52] Voice 14: And that doesn't seem,

[3:33:54] Voice 14: that seems like a half measure.

[3:33:56] Voice 14: That seems like we are, as you said,

[3:33:59] Voice 14: setting up an experiment to fail in that circumstance.

[3:34:01] Voice 14: stands. And that isn't a reasonable thing to do here. These are linked processes. They have to

[3:34:07] Voice 14: be approached in a comprehensive and integrated manner. And as an example, what I wanted to

[3:34:14] Voice 14: provide you with as a thought is that a recent tree topple within the project area

[3:34:23] Voice 14: has brought to light a very salient example, a very good example. It deposited between four

[3:34:31] Voice 14: to five percent of the total volume that we were asking to have imported. And so it delivered four

[3:34:40] Voice 14: to five percent of the total sediment that was intended to, that we're asking to bring to Baker

[3:34:47] Voice 14: Beach as a comparable volume. But that sediment involved the finer clay, silt, and fine sand

[3:34:56] Voice 14: and fractions, whereas we are looking just to provide the coarse gravel component of it.

[3:35:04] Voice 14: There's more than 20 trees, there's more than 30 trees along that coastal bluff that are in a very

[3:35:08] Voice 14: similar precarious scenario that will deposit the exact same volume that the proponents are seeking

[3:35:15] Voice 14: to import, but with a deleterious component to it. And those trees are going to fall.

[3:35:22] Voice 14: And the hardest part about this, particularly for you as decision makers, is that while there are clear-cut examples of where geohazards play a role in your decision making, there is no such guidance within the province of BC that regulates natural hazards, such as tree fall.

[3:35:45] Voice 14: all. Consequently, we have proponents that are looking at their homes and their environment and

[3:35:52] Voice 14: their properties, and they are stuck in a very hard decision. Do they do what is right for erosion

[3:36:00] Voice 14: mitigation, which would be to limb, top, or preemptively cut down some of these grand coastal

[3:36:09] Voice 14: trees, thus degrading the habitat further? Or do we seek out a nature-based erosion and shoreline

[3:36:18] Voice 14: protection strategy that is looking at not only protecting those degraded habitats, but is looking

[3:36:23] Voice 14: to improve them? And that's what we're really looking at here. The system is failing. It's

[3:36:29] Voice 14: going to deposit that material anyways. We're looking to preempt it and improve the scenario.

[3:36:33] Voice 14: I

[3:36:38] Voice 4: mean, yes, nature is

[3:36:42] Voice 4: degrading and slow, and the material will continue to likely come down in the small pieces, but it's happening so slowly and at one tree at a time, essentially, versus putting all that material on a beach in one go.

[3:37:00] Voice 4: So, it is different processes and that is the question we'll never be able to say how quickly those trees may come down in time.

[3:37:16] Voice 4: How many will come down? What's going to stop it?

[3:37:18] Voice 4: We've lost about eight

[3:37:19] Voice 7: trees. So they don't come down. There's a king worm. Several trees come down.

[3:37:28] Voice 7: It hasn't accelerated, so the swarms are going to be getting bigger. It's not just the same weight.

[3:37:38] Voice 8: The key part there is, it's not just that one tree comes down. Sometimes, some of those groups are bringing up whole slopes,

[3:37:44] Voice 8: sides of it, but certainly like several trees at once, or a massive portion. We don't know when that will occur,

[3:37:49] Voice 8: but we don't want to sit here for a year from now and be like, oh look, we told you so,

[3:37:53] that you should have done something for two years

[3:37:55] because a massive portion of the

[3:37:57] property has gone down.

[3:37:59] Voice 8: Okay, now I see your point.

[3:38:04] Voice 8: I would recognize

[3:38:05] Voice 8: the waiting patient. Go ahead, sir.

[3:38:10] Voice 8: My thoughts

[3:38:11] Voice 8: on this keep changing as this goes on, but

[3:38:13] Voice 8: as far as the trees go,

[3:38:15] Voice 8: trees have been falling on the shore

[3:38:17] Voice 8: all the islands and the coast

[3:38:19] Voice 8: down the coast of North America

[3:38:21] Voice 8: for I don't know how long.

[3:38:23] Voice 8: Maybe they will fall down. Is that going to be

[3:38:25] Voice 8: the end of the

[3:38:26] Voice 8: the um the beach i don't know it doesn't seem like it to me at this point when i look at all

[3:38:32] Voice 8: this information and i have looked at it not just today or yesterday or this week but prior to um

[3:38:40] Voice 8: the staff's decision to turn this

[3:38:43] Voice 3: down the first time um you know when i look at all that

[3:38:46] Voice 3: information when i take it when i've heard from the community members when i hear from

[3:38:50] Voice 8: the um

[3:38:51] Voice 8: shellfish tenure holders there's no way that at this point i can um what

[3:39:00] Voice 3: would be the word um

[3:39:01] Voice 3: you know in good conscience approve this development permanent application i don't

[3:39:07] Voice 3: think it would be in the best interest of the community at this point now i understand you

[3:39:13] Voice 3: guys want to do this and you'd ask um the question um you know what would you need to see

[3:39:19] Voice 3: to make this happen well I don't know for sure but I do know what I heard from

[3:39:25] Voice 3: shellfish tenure holders this morning and I'm sure it will be a different company and I know

[3:39:32] Voice 3: it's you said you've reached out and all the rest of it but you know if that was if there was a

[3:39:40] Voice 3: joint conversation happening here today it would probably be a different story

[3:39:47] Voice 3: it would be much easier to make a decision but at this point after looking at all this information

[3:39:55] Voice 3: hearing what trustee patrick has said about information that you know we'll spend a lot

[3:40:00] Voice 3: of money on bring it forward you know

[3:40:03] Voice 8: it's just um there's no guarantees that that's not going to

[3:40:07] Voice 8: do harm as well so um all i would say but what possibly can make a difference is a conversation

[3:40:18] with the shelter's tenure holders and yourselves

[3:40:22] Voice 3: and the trust committee in an open forum and

[3:40:25] Voice 3: and i don't know how we get to that but

[3:40:28] Voice 8: i'm sure it'll be uh you know a positive and more

[3:40:32] Voice 8: solidifying type of outcome at that point we've had a lot of these

[3:40:49] Voice 8: well that's i understand but this is where it needs to take place

[3:40:53] Voice 3: is at the LTC meeting I've spoken with um the shelter tenure holders as well and I haven't had

[3:40:59] Voice 3: any support for this so and that's not the only

[3:41:02] Voice 3: reason that I can't I don't think

[3:41:04] Voice 8: it's the best

[3:41:04] Voice 8: thing for the community at this point it's because

[3:41:05] Voice 3: of all this

[3:41:06] Voice 8: information that's been

[3:41:07] Voice 8: brought forward to us including from staff including from community members not just today

[3:41:11] Voice 8: but from the past however long and I see that you're passionate about this where you

[3:41:17] Voice 8: maybe you're actually going to be actively involved before working at LTC? Yes. Before it was a staff,

[3:41:22] Voice 8: before it was a staff, before they rejected it? Yes. You were involved with it before? Yes.

[3:41:27] Voice 8: I'd like that just to be noted please. That was a delegated decision, not a decision that should

[3:41:33] Voice 8: have been. I didn't make the decision then,

[3:41:35] Voice 8: but I've talked, you know, I did my research. It was

[3:41:38] Voice 8: a staff decision. I shouldn't have had any LTC involvement whatsoever. You shouldn't have been

[3:41:42] Voice 8: involved. So you're telling us that you were actively involved. No,

[3:41:46] Voice 12: I was involved

[3:41:47] Voice 12: looking at the

[3:41:48] Voice 12: evidence okay i don't want to have this turn into a debate

[3:41:52] Voice 8: situation i don't want to

[3:41:53] Voice 8: recognize staff for the chair i can confirm that nobody was involved in this i can guarantee that

[3:42:02] Voice 8: as well but i've been passionate about it 100 so i just want to offer some some thoughts and

[3:42:12] Voice 8: observations uh myself here i'm not a resident of salt spring island but i am a full voting member

[3:42:19] Voice 8: of this trust committee certainly we've heard concerns from the public over over access over

[3:42:28] Voice 8: forage fish over potential effects on the marine environment on page 91 of the report

[3:42:41] Voice 8: The report in lines 79 and

[3:42:46] Voice 12: 80, they call the destruction process will not result in a net

[3:42:56] Voice 12: loss of habitat function.

[3:42:58] Voice 12: The report acknowledges short-term turbidity, but confirms that these are minor and manageable.

[3:43:08] Voice 12: and um and i'm not a scientist but i think in terms of the precautionary principle

[3:43:18] Voice 8: um it raises a question to me um especially in terms of this the shellfish tenure which i think

[3:43:26] Voice 8: is a pretty sensitive um subject manageable how and and and how is that uh it doesn't seem like

[3:43:36] Voice 8: like a hard science approach necessarily

[3:43:37] Voice 12: to make those minor and manageable,

[3:43:42] Voice 12: I think it's maybe an expectation,

[3:43:47] Voice 12: but from a precautionary

[3:43:48] Voice 8: principle point of view,

[3:43:49] Voice 8: I think it's not clear to me that there

[3:43:55] Voice 8: is a management,

[3:43:57] Voice 12: how that might be management.

[3:43:59] Voice 12: I also just want to backtrack a little bit because I heard

[3:44:02] Voice 8: the word

[3:44:05] Voice 8: stakeholders raised a couple of times,

[3:44:07] Voice 8: And I just think it's important to note that First Nations are not merely stakeholders,

[3:44:10] Voice 8: they're rights holders.

[3:44:13] Voice 8: And in our work as local government, that's something I think it's important to acknowledge.

[3:44:24] Voice 8: Staff reports on pages 186,

[3:44:27] Voice 12: 191, 301, 411 indicate that in staff's view,

[3:44:33] Voice 12: you um their this application doesn't comply with with local

[3:44:38] Voice 8: bylaws and that's concern i understand

[3:44:42] Voice 8: that uh the applicants and your and your your professional uh support here disagree with that

[3:44:50] Voice 8: and that's

[3:44:52] Voice 8: fair to disagree with um uh but it's also incumbent on myself as a decision maker in

[3:45:00] Voice 8: this situation

[3:45:01] Voice 12: to look at those um

[3:45:04] Voice 8: reports and take them very seriously um else was there

[3:45:12] Voice 12: i guess those are the the main issues for me so i do have concerns um over certainly the

[3:45:23] Voice 12: founded or not the the public concerns

[3:45:26] Voice 8: are are important and and they are something that as

[3:45:30] decision makers we need to take into account um the lack of meaningful consultation although

[3:45:38] um not uh um not legislatively uh required uh in terms of first nations uh

[3:45:47] Voice 12: i see no evidence

[3:45:49] Voice 12: of that other than um you know what you've shared with us today um so that's also a concern

[3:46:01] Voice 12: just from a principle point of view and I'm going to continue and then I'll give you an

[3:46:07] Voice 12: opportunity to respond. I'm not sure that you know individually some of these concerns that

[3:46:16] Voice 12: I've heard that I'm sharing with you today individually each of them might not preclude

[3:46:23] Voice 12: a change in direction here but i think taken um in aggregate uh

[3:46:35] Voice 8: i do have some concerns about uh

[3:46:38] Voice 8: about granting an appeal at this point um so i just wanted to share as one of the decision

[3:46:45] Voice 8: makers a little bit of my thought processes that's fair um that you hear from me as well

[3:46:51] Voice 8: well. Yeah, and I'll just pause there. I know you wanted to make a response to your comment there

[3:46:59] Voice 8: that this is the first you've sort of seen the average involvement of that. I think we've started

[3:47:05] reaching out to all the development vendors, the local

[3:47:09] Voice 8: bands in August 2022. We

[3:47:11] Voice 8: got that well

[3:47:11] Voice 8: documented and it's in the works quite substantially. I wonder if,

[3:47:20] Voice 8: and forgive

[3:47:24] Voice 12: me, I did spend a long

[3:47:25] Voice 12: time on this fairly lengthy submission but it's possible that I might have missed is there a need

[3:47:33] Voice 12: to recommend to a portion of the report that like goes into First Nations responses

[3:47:40] Voice 8: or comments on

[3:47:42] Voice 8: the application that I might have missed absolutely and

[3:47:51] Voice 12: I'm not saying it's required I'm not trying to

[3:47:53] Voice 12: say that i'm just saying that it is a concern that's been raised and it's a concern that i'm

[3:47:58] Voice 12: alive to it's not required and there's that yeah i'm just going to tie that sense of kind of

[3:48:02] question which was you know we've been primarily focused with the ballers because they're managing

[3:48:08] all the qualifications specifically with people

[3:48:11] Voice 8: from venus and other people

[3:48:13] Voice 8: they are involved in the neighborhood and all of our destinations

[3:48:21] Voice 8: I think we have passed along all of our solutions to stress, for reference, for application.

[3:48:31] But as I go back more on this process, we're managing that process with Walgreens, right?

[3:48:37] Voice 8: So as I understand this by law, don't stress and you don't need to use your own experience

[3:48:49] Voice 8: against some of this bylaw, we'll reflect on these things as a progression of the landscape, right?

[3:48:55] Voice 8: So if we're trying to be efficient with our applications, you know, because there's people

[3:49:00] Voice 8: actually having reasons that we hope, um, it feels like something we made this business

[3:49:06] Voice 8: probably is going to impact some other part of it. When we reflect on what the bylaw says,

[3:49:13] Voice 8: it seems like we keep on ignoring also what the exemption language says. And I don't,

[3:49:19] Voice 8: I still haven't heard anyone speak to, if there's a clause that says there's a vehicle

[3:49:25] Voice 8: who provides an exemption and how does that yeah patient from the process yeah i mean i

[3:49:38] Voice 8: hear what you're saying there's uh countless this uh the process itself as i i mentioned at the

[3:49:45] Voice 8: outside outset here i think this application um is evidence of how it may not be ideal for this

[3:49:55] type of of work um because the this

[3:50:00] Voice 12: table of decision makers um has not been part of the

[3:50:05] Voice 12: process up to now because of the

[3:50:07] Voice 8: the delegation

[3:50:09] Voice 12: of

[3:50:10] Voice 8: a two-step um there obviously i think it's

[3:50:14] Voice 8: clear that there's been opportunities for uh questions and answers along the way that might

[3:50:19] Voice 8: have been asked um that that didn't occur just didn't due to those those processes um also

[3:50:28] Voice 8: requests for uh information whether that's around public concerns uh first nations concerns uh

[3:50:36] Voice 8: shellfish tenure concerns or part of the biology or geology here um there's a lot going on here so

[3:50:44] Voice 8: i i hear

[3:50:46] Voice 12: what you're saying and i understand um

[3:50:48] Voice 8: there's deficits in in the processes laid out

[3:50:53] Voice 12: uh again

[3:50:54] Voice 8: in terms of the uh interpretation of of the bylaws of the official community plan of the

[3:51:02] Voice 8: land use bylaws uh trustee patrick mentioned earlier um our role is interpretation we're not

[3:51:10] Voice 8: not the possible exception of Justin

[3:51:13] Voice 12: Patrick's qualifications in terms of geology.

[3:51:17] Voice 12: I'm neither a biologist nor a

[3:51:20] Voice 12: geologist, nor am I required to be.

[3:51:24] Voice 12: I am required and I take the responsibility very seriously to do my absolute best

[3:51:32] Voice 12: to read and understand a lot of materials.

[3:51:35] Voice 12: But

[3:51:36] Voice 8: ultimately, our decision is about interpretation of the information that's available to us,

[3:51:45] Voice 8: both from your professional reporting, from our understanding interpretation of the bylaws,

[3:51:51] Voice 8: and also our own staff and their work and their interpretation of the bylaws, compliance or not compliance.

[3:51:59] Voice 8: plan so fairly complex uh uh situation here and i just want to sort of acknowledge that

[3:52:06] Voice 8: i don't think this is easy for any party uh in this situation close my remarks and uh

[3:52:16] Voice 8: look to trustees uh further after careful consideration of all this um information

[3:52:27] Voice 8: I don't think it's in the best interest of the community at this time.

[3:52:34] Voice 8: I move that PLDP20- I'm just going to ask you to pause for a minute and hold your thoughts

[3:52:42] Voice 8: on the motion here.

[3:52:44] Voice 8: I just want to check back in with the trustee here and allow for a little bit more discussion.

[3:52:50] Voice 8: I'll certainly consider motions.

[3:52:53] Voice 8: motions like

[3:52:54] Voice 4: uh i the applicant has asked us about their interpretation of the exemption i i don't

[3:53:01] Voice 4: have an interpretation the exemption i would have to assume staff they have that letter of a dfo

[3:53:07] Voice 4: letter of advice what the title of it is and that it was identified as i would rely on staff to

[3:53:13] Voice 4: identify it as exempt that's why we have staff that's why we delegated this technical development

[3:53:20] Voice 4: development permit to our staff because of its technical nature so um if they had agreed it was

[3:53:28] Voice 4: an exemption they would have recognized it as an exemption at the beginning of the process so that's

[3:53:37] Voice 4: how I look at the exemption question

[3:53:41] Voice 8: yeah and then I'll just note um I'll come back in a moment

[3:53:46] Voice 8: trustee harris but i'll just note that in terms of the memorandum in front of us um we have some

[3:53:53] Voice 8: options laid out uh on page uh 84 bottom of page 84 on the top of page 85 so just requesting perhaps

[3:54:05] Voice 8: to review those for a moment and then uh and then back to trustees trustees what action if anyone

[3:54:34] Voice 8: would you like to take at this moment i know trustee harris you mentioned you would like to

[3:54:38] Voice 8: make a motion no go

[3:54:44] Voice 9: ahead please trust your metric

[3:54:46] Voice 4: okay um can they not be all three into one motion

[3:54:54] Voice 4: so three separate motions can they not be grouped

[3:55:07] Voice 8: natural procedure

[3:55:09] Voice 8: each application is separate and going to despite

[3:55:13] Voice 12: the fact they're coming to

[3:55:14] Voice 8: us as a grouping they are separate yes yeah okay thank you for your advice i

[3:55:20] Voice 4: move that the salts

[3:55:21] Voice 4: may have local trust committee confirm the non-issuance of development permit pldp20240056

[3:55:31] Voice 8: so moved we have a seconder seconded by trustee harris discussion discussed it anything further

[3:55:42] Voice 8: from your trustee before i call the question okay i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:55:47] Voice 8: the motion and that carries i

[3:55:51] Voice 4: know that salt spring island local trust committee confirmed

[3:55:53] Voice 4: the non-issuance of development permit pldp20240057 seconded

[3:56:04] Voice 8: by trustee harris for discussion

[3:56:07] Voice 8: not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor carries that

[3:56:13] Voice 4: salt spring island local

[3:56:14] Voice 4: trust committee confirms the non-issuance of development permit pldp two zero two four zero

[3:56:21] Voice 4: zero five eight moved

[3:56:24] Voice 8: uh seconders by trustee harris for discussion same meal call the question

[3:56:32] Voice 8: all those in favor that occurs as well um okay uh i don't believe there's anything further than

[3:56:45] Voice 8: on this item.

[3:56:51] Voice 8: What's next?

[3:56:53] Voice 8: Advice that you can provide?

[3:56:55] Voice 8: Look to staff

[3:56:56] Voice 8: for information on that.

[3:56:59] I would say the best advice at this time

[3:57:02] is for staff

[3:57:03] in the proper order to reach out

[3:57:05] Voice 8: to staff via email.

[3:57:07] Voice 8: Next step.

[3:57:09] Voice 12: I know

[3:57:10] Voice 12: R

[3:57:11] Voice 8: .P.M. Hutton, I see you're online.

[3:57:13] Voice 8: I don't know if you have anything

[3:57:16] Voice 8: to offer.

[3:57:23] Voice 2: Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

[3:57:25] Voice 2: apologies for that while they get on their mute button this is a little

[3:57:29] Voice 2: fidgety today I think mr. Buchan is correct I think we we can certainly

[3:57:35] Voice 2: follow up with this and it sort of depends on the scope of any possible

[3:57:41] Voice 2: change or alterations to a mitigation on the site so we can certainly I think our

[3:57:50] Voice 2: staff certainly happy to follow up if the applicant would like to follow up

[3:57:54] Voice 2: um by contacting our office it's a pretty much an operational procedure um at this point to

[3:58:00] Voice 2: discuss options moving forward okay thank you so

[3:58:09] Voice 8: let's uh staff advices please reach out to them

[3:58:19] Voice 8: so that is that completes the application section

[3:58:28] Voice 8: I think we should go to section 20 and then we can sort of close the meeting.

[3:58:47] Voice 8: So there's resolution to request a scheduled electronic meeting to review the OSPL UB project

[3:59:00] Voice 8: project update um sorry communicated out earlier that the proposed date is not viable for myself

[3:59:24] Voice 8: um under bucket indicated that the consultant could uh likely be available on alternate date

[3:59:32] Voice 8: and uh mr pinkel has uh uh brought to attention that the viewing location of

[3:59:41] Voice 8: the meeting isn't going to be able to stay in public notice so it was recommended that we discuss

[3:59:48] a date but wait to make the resolution by resolution without meeting so that the venue

[3:59:56] Voice 8: is assured so

[4:00:00] Voice 8: in that context um and then also our uh meeting administrator had identified that

[4:00:10] potentially the

[4:00:11] Voice 8: day prior to that um might be viable from uh from the scheduling end of things

[4:00:20] Voice 8: which would be uh wednesday august 27th so i'll just look to trustees to see if that date is um

[4:00:28] Voice 8: potentially viable business issues with that date

[4:00:34] Voice 8: yes i understand

[4:00:41] Voice 6: so

[4:00:50] Voice 8: you said august 27th 27th and that was yeah i think so

[4:00:57] Voice 4: so and

[4:00:58] Voice 8: we're going to just disgusting

[4:00:59] Voice 4: we're not going to make it 27 is okay shoot i was just

[4:01:02] Voice 4: waiting for verification so

[4:01:04] Voice 8: what we're going to do then is work on a request we're going to have

[4:01:07] Voice 8: staff look at that from the staff end of things um and then uh and then bring a resolution without

[4:01:14] Voice 8: meeting for us to do the actual resolution um staff of course indicated they've got to make

[4:01:20] Voice 8: sure there's a public meeting space available so in terms of that uh staff is that adequate

[4:01:29] Voice 8: for today and you will just get back to us and do course on that okay appreciate that thank you

[4:01:34] Voice 8: very much all right um next we do have a closed meeting scheduled um before we go into a closed

[4:01:47] Voice 8: meeting though i will rise and report that from the june 5th 2025 closed meeting uh the april 10th

[4:01:58] 2025

[4:01:58] Voice 8: in camera minutes were adopted and then person to uh trustee harris's um earlier comments

[4:02:08] Voice 8: on the motion to close the meeting oh well it's it does say matters of bylaw enforcement so i think

[4:02:15] Voice 8: that that uh so uh we can uh move to a closed meeting and thank you to members of public for

[4:02:23] Voice 8: showing up today so uh let's have the meeting to close the motion then i think of a really short

[4:02:36] Voice 8: recess so i'll just second oh

[4:02:42] Voice 6: i haven't

[4:02:43] Voice 4: said the motion open motion please i'm going to the

[4:02:47] Voice 4: salt spring island local trust committee close this meeting to the public subject community

[4:02:50] Voice 4: charter section 91f to discuss matters of law enforcement and that staff be invited to remain

[4:02:55] Voice 4: moved

[4:02:57] Voice 8: seconded any discussion all the questions all those in favor the motion carries i'm

[4:03:04] Voice 8: sort of recessed for everyone stopped uh the recording morning i got a real bad feeling